#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-05-23

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[0:00] <dmsuse> thanks :)
[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> or if you're using wpa_supplicant, then run wpa_cli and type 'status'
[0:00] <dmsuse> it said it doesnt need wpa supplicant
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> any difference in the kernel build for raspbian?
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> currently looking at: http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
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[0:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I prefer to compile my kernels from scratchbox, though just setting ARCH=arm and the compiler path works the same anyway.
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[0:01] <ShiftPlusOne> *crosscompiler
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[0:02] <FrankBuss> a crosscompiler is faster
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> it's about the same if you don't use emulation (which I don't)
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, crosscompiler is simpler and probably a little faster.... sb2 is just a habit now.
[0:03] <dmsuse> ShiftPlusOne: did you use wpa suppliment
[0:04] <ShiftPlusOne> dmsuse, i used it just to make sure everything worked, now I am using arch's built in method... which may or may not use wpa_supplicant... not sure.
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[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> anyway... got openelec compiling... which means it's sleep time.
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
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[0:05] <dmsuse> nite thnx
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[0:08] <carldani> JamesH and Gert are sending mixed signals about the camera, but so far it seems that they want to discourage other camera modules because the official camera module will come with an H.264 encoder license, and an unofficial camera module might be able to use the H.264 encoder without buying a license.
[0:09] <Ben64> what about display
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[0:15] <SpeedEvil> Oh joy.
[0:15] <SpeedEvil> Retardation.
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[0:17] <SpeedEvil> Which presumably means the driver won't support other modules, and may be a closed-source blob.
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[0:18] <DDave> gotta love the rasppi
[0:18] <DDave> its all about opensource right?!
[0:19] <DDave> *sarcasm*
[0:19] <friggle> I think you've got to blame MPEG LA for that one
[0:19] <DDave> True too..
[0:19] <DDave> bunch of pickles
[0:19] <DDave> Im keeping it PG13 :)
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> I truly hope they allow the option of connecting cameras with no h264
[0:20] <DDave> One quick question...wouldnt it be possible to reverse engineer these blobs?
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[0:20] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[0:20] <SpeedEvil> They may be signed.
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[0:20] <SpeedEvil> In which case, RE doesn't help.
[0:20] <DDave> How so?
[0:20] <DDave> I didnt quite get that
[0:20] <SpeedEvil> Plus - they will not typically be for straightforward processors.
[0:21] <SpeedEvil> If the blob is signed - if you modify it, it won't load.
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[0:21] <DDave> oh... the hardware loads it right?
[0:21] <SpeedEvil> So even if you fully understand it, it doesn't help.
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[0:21] <SpeedEvil> It's not really hardware - it's functional units which are mostly driven by firmware
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[0:22] <DDave> Hmm okay..
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[0:22] <DDave> Thanks :)
[0:23] <DDave> Anyhow, back to flaming MPEG LA :3
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[0:26] <FrankBuss> bootc: right, now I can use just arch/arm/boot/Image. and I've marked my "Intense" SD card as broken, latest version on the branch of the SD card driver works like a charm with my new SanDisk SD card, let's see if it survives an "apt-get dist-upgrade"
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[0:32] <bootc> FrankBuss: :-)
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[0:35] <FrankBuss> would be still interesting to know the details why the SD card doesn't work with newer versions. I can send it to you, if you like to do some SDHC kernel debugging :-)
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[0:37] <ceti331__> just got synergy working between win/mac/linux at home, great fun. now i really need an rpi driving a monitor
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[0:38] <FrankBuss> dist-upgrade worked, so maybe the solution is to buy SD cards from the inventor of it, only
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[0:46] <chris_99> bootc, that kernel doesn't seem to work
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[0:48] <FrankBuss> chris_99, did you copy arm192_start.elf to start.elf? I had problems with the 224 version, just a black screen with my connected display (maybe too high resolution)
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[0:49] <chris_99> no i hadn't tried that
[0:51] <chris_99> nope that doesn't work either
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[0:55] <FrankBuss> SpeedEvil: looks like it is not signed, I've just changed the first byte of bootcode.bin (the GPU code which loads the rest) and it still boots
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[0:58] <FrankBuss> chris_99: what does it do? no signal for the screen?
[0:59] <chris_99> yeah just a black screen and none of the LEDs turn on except the red one
[0:59] <chris_99> this is on debian btw
[0:59] <chris_99> if that makes a difference
[0:59] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[0:59] <SpeedEvil> Interesting, thanks.
[1:00] <FrankBuss> you could try kernel.img from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot to see if your SD card works at all anymore
[1:02] <FrankBuss> Debian will be loaded later, first the kernel is loaded, which then mounts the filesystem and load the rest
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[1:02] <chris_99> oh the SD card definitely works, as i've switched back to the normal kernel
[1:02] <chris_99> and it boots fine
[1:04] <FrankBuss> strange, should work, but if you just want to see some better stack traces, you could try https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/kernel_debug.img
[1:04] <chris_99> yeah thats really what i want to do. cheers i'll try that
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[1:05] <FrankBuss> you might need the right modules, too
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[1:08] <chris_99> neat that seems to boot :)
[1:09] <chris_99> yup its on
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[1:12] <chris_99> is there a package i can remove to get rid of all the X stuff
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[1:30] <dmsuse> anyone doing anything cool with thei pi right now?
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[1:31] <Frood> I don't imagine anybody here has a ipt file for a raspberry pi case, that they'd be willing to share with me, would they?
[1:31] <netman87> havent ordered yet :(
[1:32] <netman87> price for board for me is 40eur including all additional cost
[1:32] <ReggieUK> mine will be free when it gets here
[1:32] <netman87> would be okey if i was able to add more of them to order
[1:33] <netman87> but to lower shipping costs
[1:33] <ReggieUK> and I've got more than enough junk to get everything else ready for it without having to shell out :)
[1:33] <netman87> i mean i need 2 or 3 anyway
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[1:33] <dipstick> I want 3 or 4 of them :)
[1:33] <netman87> 46 eur including power adapter (EU model)
[1:34] <dipstick> dude, drop the adaptor and power it with your computer :)
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[1:34] <netman87> 1 for video projector, 1 for opencv projects and 1 for random tests
[1:34] <netman87> dipstick: so i need to buy computer to use it? i think 8eur power adapter is way better
[1:35] <netman87> loses pretty much its purpose if i still need to use computer with it.
[1:35] <dipstick> arn't you using a computer already?
[1:35] <netman87> yeah. then?
[1:35] <netman87> im using laptop and im moving with my laptop
[1:35] <dipstick> get a loooong usb cable?p
[1:36] <plugwash> (not sure if this message got through before my connection timed out so re-sending) the raspbian xorg dependency issue is now fixed in the private repo and should be fixed in the public repo when it finishes updating
[1:36] <netman87> why would i wanna keep my laptop powered on all the time i wanna see movies?
[1:36] <netman87> i wanna use raspi for standalone projects to keep power usage lower.
[1:37] <netman87> and if i add one to robot... i dont see reason to connect robot with cable to computer
[1:37] <dipstick> got any spare psus laying around?
[1:37] <plugwash> for a robit i'd think you'd just include a 5V supply for the Pi as part of the power arrangements for the robot
[1:37] <plugwash> rather than using a seperate PSU
[1:38] <netman87> dipstick: few i think. raspi still isnt using much of power on +5V line so PSU's arent gonna start well
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[1:38] <dipstick> all the pi needs is 5v 1a
[1:38] <netman87> yes. isnt that too low amount for normal PSU to even start well :P
[1:38] <dipstick> power it from the standby wire
[1:39] <dipstick> I've powered psus with no load before.
[1:39] <netman87> and even if that works its still making size and power loss pretty bad
[1:39] <netman87> or atleast i think its so.
[1:39] <netman87> i dont really see reason not to use EU usb power supply
[1:40] <netman87> small, standalone and cheap
[1:40] <dipstick> who knows, it can be powered from the projector's power supply :)
[1:40] <netman87> its just that they cost here little bit more and i dont cant order more than one raspi with auth code i have :(
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[1:41] <netman87> dipstick: hmm i think my videoprojector dosnt give port for ext. power link... and its too expensive to open
[1:41] <dipstick> small power adaptors waste just as much power as a desktop's psu when there's no load.
[1:42] <dipstick> i wonder if you can pull enough power out of the hdmi cable, afaik there's a 5v wire
[1:42] <ReggieUK> you can always unplug them when you're not using them
[1:43] <dipstick> does the projector have a usb service port?
[1:44] <netman87> let me check out my sanyo z3
[1:44] <netman87> hmm no
[1:45] <netman87> just one hdmi, vga and s-video and so on.
[1:46] <dipstick> i normally like avoid those pesky power bricks
[1:46] <GabrialDestruir> Just use something that's already using power
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[1:46] <GabrialDestruir> Like a router that you leave on anyways with a USB port.
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[1:46] <dipstick> ^ yeah
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[1:47] <dipstick> or a powered usb hub.
[1:47] <GabrialDestruir> You won't get the whole 1A and full Pi experience without a powered hub though..... but if you're looking to just run the Pi do it that way.
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[1:48] <dipstick> my tv has a usb service port, i may attach a pi to it.
[1:49] <dipstick> darn, hdmi can only put 50ma down its 5v wire.
[1:50] <D34TH> dipstick do you have a kindle fire?
[1:50] <dmsuse> anyone know how i enable gpio?
[1:50] <dipstick> no D34TH
[1:50] <D34TH> damn
[1:50] <D34TH> because it has a good powersupply
[1:50] <dipstick> kinda random...
[1:51] <GabrialDestruir> Screw the kindle fire....
[1:51] <GabrialDestruir> Nooks are better.
[1:52] <FrankBuss> bootc, I've added device 2 for BSC, it shows something interesting when a HDMI display is connected: http://pastebin.com/tPesQBze (and all -- when disconnected, repeatable)
[1:52] <FrankBuss> but I'm not sure if it infers with the GPU, so maybe not safe to include it
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[1:54] <dipstick> ReggieUK: got any old cell phone chargers with a usb plug at the end?
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[1:55] <GabrialDestruir> You could pick up a Nook charger kit for like 20 bucks I think, comes with a little USB wall plug a microUSB cord (don't get a color or tablet cord)
[1:56] <ReggieUK> I've got an iphone charger knocking around somehwhere
[1:56] <ReggieUK> but tbh I'm alllll good for psu's for the pi
[1:56] <ReggieUK> if i haven't got anything around I can always make one
[1:57] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[1:57] <ReggieUK> plenty of 12v stuff around here that I can regulate
[1:57] <D34TH> apple usb charger would be better
[1:57] <dipstick> its fun to tap into my desktop's psu. :)
[1:57] <D34TH> ikts actually high quality
[1:57] <ReggieUK> I'll probably power the pi from my usb hub
[1:57] <ReggieUK> saves on cabling
[1:58] <ReggieUK> and rig something up for 'in the field'
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[2:01] <dipstick> well, time to run home. bbs
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[2:07] <GabrialDestruir> Buy a USB Battery thing.
[2:07] <GabrialDestruir> with a Wall Plug option.
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[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> A nice big one you can get maybe a few hours the wall plug lets you charge the battery while powering the Pi
[2:09] <shirro> I "accidentally" bought a powered hub last night with a 4A power supply. It is powering the Pi and I am going to see how many of its 13 usb ports I can fill today :-)
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> Accidentally on purpose?
[2:09] <shirro> thats the one.
[2:09] <FrankBuss> bootc: just in case if you want to integrate it: http://pastebin.com/cnxsusJD
[2:09] <netman87> hmm does raspi support opengl?
[2:10] <shirro> netman87: es
[2:10] <netman87> or just opengl es
[2:10] <shirro> just es
[2:10] <shirro> you can software render opengl with mesa if you are certifiably insane
[2:10] <netman87> hmm how hard it would be to convert opengl c++ for opengl es?
[2:11] <netman87> well i used freebsd on my laptops... so im pretty sure im insane
[2:11] <shirro> netman87: depends how modern the opengl is I think. Modern opengl probably isn't that bad. You have a choice of fixed pipeline opengl es 1.1 or shader based opengl es 2.0
[2:11] <shirro> I imagine the main problem is working out what to do when you encounter features that es does not support
[2:12] <netman87> yeah. im trying to learn some game programming and mobile platforms interest little bit
[2:12] <netman87> so i would try to come up with something nice
[2:12] <netman87> SDL support opengl es?
[2:13] <shirro> If you can find the work already done as it was for ioquake then it is just a port to the Pi's EGL nativewindow system
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[2:14] <shirro> I have seen a few addons for SDL that add es. Thanks to the Pandora a lot of this stuff has already been attempted I think
[2:15] <GabrialDestruir> The fast forward and fast backwards on OpenELEC is broken
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[2:17] <shirro> netman87: there are demos of getting opengl es working in both c and python around. there is an es1.1 and now an es2.0 example in /opt/vc/src and there are a few python things on github
[2:19] <netman87> okey. lets see how much money i get this week
[2:19] <netman87> i would love to have enough to order raspi
[2:20] <netman87> have some expensive stuff that need to be taken care of so not sure
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[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> I need to get my Pi setup with a Wifi connection or a BT dongle and a powered hub.
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[2:21] <shirro> netman87: if you don't have everything lying about already you can easily spend double the Pi's cost on accessories
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[2:21] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[2:22] <GabrialDestruir> That way I can make it a portable MC
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[2:22] <SpeedEvil> I just spent 350 quid on raspberry Pi PSU.
[2:22] <SpeedEvil> Pics tomorrow :)
[2:22] <shirro> SpeedEvil: that is some PSU
[2:22] <GabrialDestruir> 350 Quid?
[2:22] <GabrialDestruir> Are you mad?
[2:22] <shirro> He can probably make it play tunes
[2:23] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: To be fair - it's not actually solely Pi.
[2:23] <SpeedEvil> 420W of solar panels.
[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> o.o
[2:23] <SpeedEvil> If I paired it with a large battery, it would catually power the pi 24*7 even on the darkest winter day
[2:23] <netman87> shirro: raspi itself cost 40eur for me... 46eur if i take eu power supply :(
[2:23] <shirro> Please tell me you live is some semi-arid desert and not Scotland or Finland or somewhere gloomy
[2:24] <SpeedEvil> Scotland.
[2:24] <netman87> but i have hdmi cables, audio cables and memory cards and ethernet cables
[2:24] <SpeedEvil> The panels pay off in ~7-8 years, at current electricity prices, assuming I can continue to refuse a smart meter.
[2:24] <shirro> Ah, thats right. From the home of golf?
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> From the home of the Soliton, the Kelvin, Tarmac roads, ...
[2:25] <GabrialDestruir> Smart Meter?
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> Smart meters do not run backwards.
[2:25] <GabrialDestruir> Bah. That's stupid.
[2:26] <shirro> not-so-smart meter
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> You can only connect solar to the grid officially - if you do it through the MCS scheme.
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> Which entitles you to FIT payments + export ones.
[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> IF people are supplying more power than they can use and it runs the meter back they power company should allow it.
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: Indeed.
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[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> Except they don't want to have to pay for it.
[2:27] <SpeedEvil> (technically, the above is true - but you cannot in practice)
[2:27] <shirro> I ignored the whole solar stuff here. Every second roof is covered in panels. I thought I would wait for the next leap in technology to make them all redundant
[2:27] <SpeedEvil> That's the issue.
[2:27] <SpeedEvil> If you cover the roof - you're committed to having them there for 25 years.
[2:27] <SpeedEvil> Pretty much
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> Then there are the other issues about the inherent unfairness of the FIT scheme, and its flaws.
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> The next "leap in technology"
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> For example - if there was to be in 10 years time a nice reliable battery that you can cycle 1000s of times - for those with solar panels it would make sense to get these installed.
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> Will be portable contained blackholes.
[2:28] <shirro> A lot of people here felt they must take up any government subsidy scheme to the max. Expecially people who already could afford to do solar out of their own pocket. I think it is scaled right back now - I really haven't been following it
[2:29] <GabrialDestruir> You toss in your trash, you get power in return.
[2:29] <SpeedEvil> But this would _drastically_ increase p/carbon saving
[2:29] <shirro> By leap I mean like when you can roll out some thin film contact onto your roof and get better efficiency for half the price
[2:30] <SpeedEvil> shirro: It was 44p before Dec 12 2011, it is now 24p, it will some time after July 1 fall to 16.5p
[2:30] <GabrialDestruir> Eh.
[2:30] <GabrialDestruir> That probably won't happen for years.
[2:30] <SpeedEvil> shirro: that is irrelevant to subsidy at the moment.
[2:30] <GabrialDestruir> But it'd be nice to have now.
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> shirro: panels installed in 5 years will get the tehn subsidy - if any.
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> Panels installed now get teh current rate locked in.
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> - which is insane
[2:31] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe they'll somehow engineer BioEnergy type things.... grow some plants on your roof and it generates electricity....
[2:31] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> I'm doing if basically to reduce my outgoings.
[2:32] <shirro> Surely in Scotland there is enough left over chip fat to run a power station
[2:32] <SpeedEvil> I have installed a solar-thermal panel on the roof (300 quiddish from ebay) and now have free hot water for about 8 months a year
[2:32] <D34TH> heh speedevil i build them for schools
[2:32] <D34TH> :D
[2:33] <D34TH> and solar arrays
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> D34TH: vacuum tubes?
[2:33] <D34TH> **photovoltaic arrays
[2:33] <D34TH> evacuated tube
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> D34TH: Where are you?
[2:33] <D34TH> florida
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> I won't ask if you can supply spares then.
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> :)
[2:33] <D34TH> :)
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> Was hoping you were a leetle closer.
[2:34] <D34TH> the 630 watt panels are massive
[2:34] <D34TH> lol
[2:34] <SpeedEvil> I ordered a couple of replacement 1800mm*54mm tubes from ebay.
[2:34] <D34TH> array of 30 of them
[2:34] <D34TH> makes me cry when i have to screw with it
[2:34] <D34TH> get shocked every time
[2:34] <SpeedEvil> The seller claimed that two layers of bubble-wrap was 'industry standard packaging'.
[2:34] <D34TH> you got two layers?
[2:34] <SpeedEvil> For glass tubes.
[2:35] <D34TH> i only get one
[2:35] <SpeedEvil> Sent by a random parcel company
[2:35] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817145036
[2:35] <GabrialDestruir> Think that'd work for the Pi? >.>
[2:35] <SpeedEvil> Needless to say - I was able to return the results in a 30cm square box.
[2:35] <GabrialDestruir> 7 Ports apparently has 2200mA output
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[2:36] <DaQatz> GabrialDestruir, Look at the reviews
[2:36] <D34TH> im going to be picking up the new outlets for my house with the usb ports in them
[2:37] <D34TH> :D
[2:38] <D34TH> http://store.fastmac.com/product_info.php?cPath=10_43&products_id=458
[2:38] <netman87> anyone LVDS on raspi?
[2:38] <GabrialDestruir> Bah
[2:38] <GabrialDestruir> that sucks.
[2:38] <netman87> i have few laptop panels so would be nice to have support for them
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[2:38] <Syliss> yeah i got a ebay gift card so i just bought a new hdmi cable and may pickup another sd card
[2:39] <Syliss> but i need a powered usb hub
[2:39] <netman87> well they are just 1024x768 and 1440xsomething
[2:40] <Syliss> D34TH: I've seen those around in stores for like $20~
[2:40] <D34TH> yea i just wanted to show you guys
[2:40] <D34TH> so you know what im talking about
[2:40] <D34TH> i can get them for ~18
[2:40] <Syliss> thats not bad
[2:40] <D34TH> wholesale
[2:40] <Syliss> and 2.1amp is good
[2:40] <D34TH> so i have to buy 50
[2:41] <Syliss> ouch
[2:41] <D34TH> 2.6
[2:41] <D34TH> meh i can justify the cost
[2:41] <SpeedEvil> Do not believe the 2.1A unless you've measured it
[2:41] <D34TH> and offer them as a addon for the schools
[2:41] <Syliss> yeah
[2:41] <D34TH> lol
[2:41] <D34TH> "stop wasting time with kids taking up outlets, give them the source"
[2:41] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T88ej64aXUM
[2:42] <SpeedEvil> crappy chinese psu analysis and teardown
[2:42] <D34TH> seen it
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[2:42] <D34TH> have you seen the one of the apple plug
[2:42] <D34TH> its actually very good quality
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> Sure - a real apple plug
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[2:43] <SpeedEvil> I have no hesitation in recommending almost any real branded USB charger
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> Knockoffs however are _common_
[2:43] <shirro> I would love to pull apart my supposedly 4A power supply but not at the price it cost me. I should put a meter on the test points I guess
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[2:45] <D34TH> http://hackaday.com/2012/05/20/iphone-charger-teardown-shows-astounding-miniaturization/
[2:48] <anish> was this linked here already ? http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/via-technologies-outs-49-apc-android-barebones/
[2:48] <DaQatz> Nice
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[2:50] <SpeedEvil> That's not really very astounding
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> Hahahahhahahhahhahahahhaha
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> 'microscopic 0402 components'
[2:50] <DaQatz> No it's not, but it's nice that others are getting into the game.
[2:50] <anish> that was fairly slow evil
[2:51] <SpeedEvil> 01005's are now in use
[2:51] <SpeedEvil> 1mm*0.5mm
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[2:55] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148889R
[2:55] <GabrialDestruir> Oh so tempting....
[2:57] <TigerRage> why don't you GabrialDestruir?
[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> No reviews.... means I could be buying a totally crap HDD
[2:57] <TigerRage> that's what i was just looking for
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> Plus they're Openbox...
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> which means I might not get all the cords and stuff...
[2:59] <TigerRage> although, i do have an old 750GB seagate ehdd that's been on and connected for 3-4 years now, and i have never had a problem with it
[2:59] <GabrialDestruir> On the other hand I've never had issues with Seagate HDD to the point where I buy them almost exclusively....
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[3:01] <TigerRage> http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-GoFlex-External-STAC2000106/product-reviews/B005IA84AA/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
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[3:01] <TigerRage> there's some reviews for you
[3:05] <GabrialDestruir> Eh... the good reviews are really good....
[3:05] <GabrialDestruir> but the bad reviews or absolutely horrid.
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[3:10] <GabrialDestruir> Mm.... 4TBs for 185 or not...
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[3:15] <simonlc> just got my raspberry pi !!!
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[3:22] <GabrialDestruir> You get your Pi and the room splits.
[3:22] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[3:22] <simonlc> should a 4.8V psu work? 1A
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[3:23] <GabrialDestruir> I don't see why not.
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[3:27] <simonlc> $12 duties :(
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[3:27] <GabrialDestruir> Trying to decide if I actually need two 2TB drives.
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[3:28] <DaQatz> Where else would you store all pirated music and movies?
[3:28] <GabrialDestruir> If I've got 4TBs of Pirated Music/Movies I've got an issue.
[3:29] <simonlc> I have no reason to keep movies after I watch them
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[3:30] <simonlc> the only senario I've seen where that kind of storage is needed, is databases, archival, and development, like movies or software
[3:30] <DaQatz> Well if you're getting 720p and 1080p movies/series 4TB will get eaten up pretty quick.
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[3:32] <DaQatz> I think PiBot's throttle may be turned off.
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[3:32] <DaQatz> SHouldn't voice people that fast.
[3:33] <jamesglanville> am I right I should get my pi tomorrow? farnell sent me an email at 9.30 this morning saying it was dispatched
[3:33] <jamesglanville> (uk)
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[3:39] <simonlc> if those movies are raw rips DaQatz, most of the time 1080p ones are 7-12gb
[3:40] <Ben64> 1080p should be 10-15GB
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[3:41] <GabrialDestruir> I'm only going 720p because I'm only using my Pi in 720p
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> But yea.
[3:43] <simonlc> first thing I want to try is quake 3
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> 4TBs at 4GBs a file I would be able to get 100 files theoretically
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> 1000*
[3:44] <simonlc> that's a lot of movies
[3:44] <simonlc> my last collection of unwatched movies was around 260gb
[3:44] <GabrialDestruir> I'm collecting more TV Shows atm
[3:45] <simonlc> TV shows get boring for me pretty fast, most are very repetetive, like house for example
[3:45] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose I could just buy 1 and get a second if I need another one
[3:46] <simonlc> oh you don't already have 2?
[3:46] <GabrialDestruir> No
[3:46] <GabrialDestruir> I'm looking into expanding my storage.
[3:46] <GabrialDestruir> Since I'm only down to like 200GBs
[3:46] <simonlc> on a 2tb?
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[3:48] <GabrialDestruir> On a 1.5TB
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[3:49] <GabrialDestruir> But if my Game and Movie/TV/Music collection continues expanding, that'll be gone in.... a week or two
[3:49] <simonlc> just prune old stuff
[3:50] <simonlc> works for me, keeps me in the green
[3:51] <GabrialDestruir> Been doing that, but it's not enough what with me wanting to have actual series at my beck and call so I always have something to watch.
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[3:54] <dipstick> I would delete shows I don't want anymore and store the ones I want to keep on an external hdd or one of my few storage drives.
[3:55] <simonlc> or, just download them when you actually want to watch it
[3:55] <GabrialDestruir> Redownloading it is so time consuming...
[3:55] <dipstick> I shove the watched shows into folders.
[3:55] <simonlc> so is watching tv and movies
[3:56] <GabrialDestruir> As I've learned everytime I delete Doctor Who episodes only to want to watch them later.
[3:56] <dipstick> I download so much bbc and discovery and half of it I don't even watch.
[3:56] <dipstick> takes 15 minutes to download a 350mb video.
[3:57] <GabrialDestruir> I'm going all HD :p
[3:57] <dipstick> I'm trying to
[3:57] <GabrialDestruir> 720p doesn't come in 350mb videos much these days :p
[3:57] <dipstick> nope
[3:58] <dipstick> they are usually 600-700mb
[3:58] <dipstick> some end up at a gig
[3:59] <GabrialDestruir> Most the 720p I've seen that are actually 720p come in at 4Gigs...
[3:59] <dipstick> O_O
[3:59] <dipstick> I say they fail in codec compression.
[4:00] <GabrialDestruir> h.264
[4:00] <GabrialDestruir> mkv's
[4:01] <simonlc> must mean for movies
[4:01] <simonlc> a tv show shouldn't be that big
[4:01] <GabrialDestruir> Nope, episodes.
[4:01] <simonlc> ok, I'm with dipstick then, compression fail
[4:01] <DaQatz> a 720p hour long ep is normally better then a gig
[4:01] <GabrialDestruir> Actually, depends on the tv show xD
[4:01] <DaQatz> If dl a complete series, or two
[4:01] <dipstick> heh, you're looking in the wrong places. I'm finding 720p vids at around a gig for 50mins
[4:02] <DaQatz> Adds up
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> Actually yea, these are a Gig
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> the sherlock ones aren't xD
[4:02] <simonlc> they shouldn't be more than 1.4gb
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> Then again sherlock is like hour and a half per episode so that makes sense
[4:02] <dipstick> those take about 35 minutes for me to download.
[4:02] <DaQatz> Less motion, or if it's an "animation" then the size goes down.
[4:03] <GabrialDestruir> Took me several hours, I only have 7Mb/s
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[4:03] <dipstick> I have 6Mb/s
[4:04] <GabrialDestruir> Well wth
[4:04] <GabrialDestruir> It took me a lot longer than 35 minutes to download episodes from Suits .-.
[4:04] <dipstick> 650-700KB/s
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[4:05] <dipstick> you might not be getting the full bandwith.
[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe...
[4:06] <simonlc> where are you guys from?
[4:06] <dipstick> us
[4:08] <GabrialDestruir> US
[4:08] <dipstick> I download my shows onto a seedbox and from there to my home server. I get good speeds to and from it. lftp's pget; multisegmented downloads is nice.
[4:08] <simonlc> j/w cause those numbers seemed too low for europeans
[4:08] <dipstick> simonlc: american isps kinda suck imo.
[4:08] <simonlc> who's your seedox host?
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[4:09] <dipstick> charge an arm and a leg for crappy speeds.
[4:09] <dipstick> plus, I'm on dsl.
[4:09] <simonlc> Yeah, well can't say they're worse than some Canadian ones
[4:09] <GabrialDestruir> It depends where you are.
[4:09] <dipstick> whatbox is my seedbox host.
[4:09] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently in the city you can get 30Mb/s for 30 bucks
[4:10] <GabrialDestruir> Yet out in the middle of nowhere 30 bucks gets you 7Mb/s
[4:10] <dipstick> american's isps like to place a cap when they advertise greater than 10Mb/s
[4:10] <simonlc> 50$ gets me 15mb/s
[4:10] <GabrialDestruir> Yea there's that too
[4:11] <GabrialDestruir> But most US companies don't have download caps
[4:11] <GabrialDestruir> or they didn't use to
[4:11] <GabrialDestruir> They're just starting to go that way like the rest of the world.
[4:12] <dipstick> my dsl doesn't, at&t tried to place one on the dsl but it didn't work. years ago
[4:12] <GabrialDestruir> Verizon doesn't yet.
[4:12] <GabrialDestruir> Charter does I think
[4:12] <GabrialDestruir> I think Comcast too
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[4:13] <dipstick> I can download over 300GB in a month in data and video streams. :D
[4:13] <dipstick> comcast has a 250GB cap and advertise 25Mb/s speeds.
[4:13] <GabrialDestruir> Bah I probably would of met datacaps ages ago if I had a cap.
[4:14] <GabrialDestruir> and that's just with streaming
[4:14] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[4:14] <dipstick> yup
[4:15] <simonlc> my friend has a shared internet, and the cap is 50gb/m
[4:15] <GabrialDestruir> An average of like 3GB/day with just streaming.
[4:15] <dipstick> netflix, amazon instant video, hulu, vudu, etc.
[4:15] <simonlc> last month he was offline for 17 days
[4:15] <Ben64> what really sucks is 2GB or 4GB limit with LTE on verizon
[4:15] <Ben64> i need to upgrade before they enforce that
[4:15] <Syliss> anyone have any 3d models of a case, i wanna see how much it would cost to get one made from a few sites
[4:16] <Ben64> all the 3d model sites charge a ton
[4:16] <dipstick> data caps for cell phones are a joke. anyone can blow 2gb with netflix and youtube.
[4:16] <Ben64> LTE can easily get to 10mbit or more
[4:16] <Frood> Sprint ftw.
[4:16] <Ben64> 2GB is a joke
[4:16] <Syliss> it is
[4:16] <Ben64> too bad sprint has bad service
[4:16] <Frood> Ben64: they do.
[4:16] <Syliss> i have 2gb on att with my iPhone and it sucks
[4:17] <Syliss> my wife still has the unlimited plan too
[4:17] <Syliss> it depends where you live Ben64
[4:17] <Syliss> its not bad here
[4:17] <Ben64> i need to find a cheap Droid4 before they stop giving unlimited
[4:17] <Frood> In my living room, I'm sometimes roaming, but in my bedroom I always have at least 3 bars
[4:17] <Ben64> i like having signal everywhere in the country
[4:17] <Frood> my house is only ~2000 sqft.
[4:17] <Ben64> = verizon
[4:17] <Syliss> only carrier that sucks here is tmob
[4:18] <GabrialDestruir> Got ATT
[4:18] <simonlc> how long does this dd thing take? I ran it with bs=1M (like the guide said) on an 8gb card
[4:18] <GabrialDestruir> and they take every chance they get to ass fuck you
[4:18] <Syliss> i have att and tmob
[4:18] <Syliss> oh and verizon
[4:18] <Ben64> simonlc: depends on your card's speed
[4:18] <simonlc> ah
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[4:18] <simonlc> I reckon it's 4-6mb/s
[4:18] <simonlc> !g class 4 sd
[4:18] <PiBot> simonlc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital - "Secure Digital - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"
[4:19] <Syliss> i need to find a cheap android phone for tmob so i can use it as a hotspot since i have an old prepaid sim
[4:19] <Frood> but i agree, data caps are a joke. My ISP (Mediacom) has one, but several of their higher-up support people say that it's never been enforced, and they've seen people go over it by 1.75TB and not cause issues
[4:20] <simonlc> you know what else is a joke, lack of fiber
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[4:20] <Frood> that, too.
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[4:21] <dipstick> all that money we pay them and they won't upgrade their crap.
[4:21] <GabrialDestruir> Datacaps aren't jokes...
[4:21] <Frood> Mediacom actually does FTTC, and the cabinet happens to be right outside my house.
[4:21] <GabrialDestruir> They're perfectly reasonable reasons for us to pay them more money.
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[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> Okay
[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> Not really reasonable
[4:22] <Frood> only 3-5 houses per cabinet
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[4:22] <simonlc> I remember hearing they got a government grant years ago, and did nothing with it
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[4:23] <Frood> Mediacom doesn't even set a strict cap on their speeds, it seems
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[4:23] <Frood> I have the 15Mbps plan, and I regularly get 25-30
[4:24] <simonlc> lots of ISP's have a 'speed boost' that allows you to download faster for a short ammount of time
[4:24] <Frood> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1966476759.png
[4:24] <Frood> but their reliability...
[4:24] <Syliss> mine doesn't, but I'm getting 5 out of 6mbits on my dsl
[4:25] <Frood> I'll say this: Last June, we had over 50 outages that I counted.
[4:25] <Frood> It probably went out overnight multiple times
[4:25] <Frood> that was actually only a two-week span
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[4:46] <simonlc> ext2fs_open2: Bad magic number in super-block
[4:47] <simonlc> trying to resize my partition http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Manually_resizing_the_SD_card_partitions_.28Optional.29
[4:47] <simonlc> running $ sudo e2fsck -f /dev/sdd2
[4:49] <simonlc> it says some shit about ext2, pretty sure the partition is ext4
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[4:51] <dipstick> ext4 = ext2 + journeling + tweeks
[4:51] <simonlc> ok
[4:51] <simonlc> http://pastebin.com/a9Cehfdw
[4:51] <simonlc> that's the full output when i run it
[4:52] <dipstick> not really sure, google around.
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[4:53] <simonlc> I am :P
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[4:57] <simonlc> it must not be an ext4 partitin
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[5:02] <dipstick> I don't think so Tim
[5:05] <simonlc> I think the problem when is the the partition doesn't list a filesystem
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[5:06] <dipstick> you may have derped when you copied the image onto it.
[5:06] <mkopack> simonic: What is the host OS / version you're using to try to do the change with?
[5:07] <mkopack> I've had issues trying to use older versions of Linux to do that and had to upgrade to a newer version
[5:07] <simonlc> no, when I installed it it showed the file system
[5:07] <simonlc> I'm running arch, and installing the arch image.
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[5:07] <Tachyon`> you'd think dd would be the same on any linux really
[5:08] <simonlc> dd worked fine
[5:08] <Tachyon`> ahh
[5:08] <mkopack> ie: I couldn't resize the SD card's partitions when I had the card plugged in on an Ubuntu 10.10 box. But once I upgraded to 12.04 it could do it.
[5:08] <simonlc> the problem is I'm not able to resize the partition
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[5:08] <Tachyon`> hrm, were you using gparted?
[5:08] <simonlc> no, parted
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[5:08] <mkopack> It's not an issue of dd, it's an issue of parted + the version of e2fs
[5:08] <Tachyon`> ah, dunno about that, I do know ubuntu tends to mount anything it sees
[5:08] <simonlc> when I remake the partition it doesn't list the filesystem anymore after I type 'print'
[5:08] <Tachyon`> oh, hrm
[5:09] <Tachyon`> that doesn't sound like a version issue
[5:09] <Tachyon`> since the partition table is seperate to the filesystem
[5:09] <mkopack> And you realize you can't do it from the Pi itself, right?
[5:09] <Tachyon`> it should show the partitions whether it can read them or not
[5:09] <mkopack> ie: you can't resize the partitions on the SD card you've booted up the Pi with and try to run the parted on
[5:09] <mkopack> You have to put the card into another machine to do this
[5:10] <Tachyon`> I'm not sure the pi has one ubuntu, let alone 2 so I assume he did
[5:10] <simonlc> I'm on my desktop, with the sd card unmounted
[5:10] <mkopack> ok
[5:10] <mkopack> Hmm. got me then
[5:10] <simonlc> I'm on arch not ubuntu lol
[5:10] <Tachyon`> oh, was reading the wrong messages, oops
[5:11] <Tachyon`> it's 4am, cut me some slack -.-
[5:11] <simonlc> :P
[5:11] <mkopack> Go to BED!
[5:11] <Tachyon`> been
[5:11] <Tachyon`> too hot to sleep
[5:11] <Tachyon`> so got up again
[5:11] <mkopack> A/C :)
[5:11] <Tachyon`> england
[5:11] <Tachyon`> nobody has A/C here
[5:11] <mkopack> Hot? didn't think it got hot there
[5:11] <Tachyon`> not worth it for the 2.7 days each year it's warm
[5:11] <mkopack> I live in Atlanta, AC isn't a choice, it's a requirement
[5:12] <Tachyon`> ahh
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[5:13] <mkopack> I ordered a new 32GB SSD for use as a USB drive on my Rpi
[5:13] <mkopack> Should make things a bit more smooth
[5:13] <mkopack> The SD card is just too damn jerky performance wise
[5:13] <mkopack> Got another to use on the Pandaboard
[5:14] <Tachyon`> not that I have mine yet
[5:14] <Tachyon`> but I'll probably use a very small SD card and a fairly large USB stick
[5:14] <mkopack> the SD interface is just too damn SLOW
[5:14] <mkopack> I tried with an external HD and it was MUCH nicer
[5:14] <Tachyon`> it always was, I have a pandora, unwisely bought class 4 cards for it when I got it
[5:14] <Tachyon`> then tried to run debian from SD
[5:14] <Tachyon`> that was less than fun
[5:14] <simonlc> http://i.imgur.com/E1qna.png
[5:15] <mkopack> You do have ext4 installed, right?
[5:15] <Tachyon`> ahh, you mean it shows the partition but not the type
[5:15] <Tachyon`> err, fs
[5:15] <GabrialDestruir> Why is it so hard to find decent sets of BDRip all packaged together?
[5:15] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[5:15] <Foxhoundz> To those who bought their Pi from the U.S. via RS Components, how long did it take you?
[5:15] <Tachyon`> you used to be able to copy data to a partition as ext2 then mount it as ext3 and it'd build the journal, can you do that with ext4?
[5:16] <simonlc> how do I check if ext4 is installed?
[5:16] <mkopack> Fox: I put my order in on the 4th. it arrived on the 14th
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[5:16] <mkopack> One of those days was a holiday in the UK
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[5:17] <Tachyon`> blame the queen
[5:17] <Tachyon`> it was probably her fault
[5:17] <mkopack> fox: it'll come via DHL??? don't expect to get a tracking number email in advance though...
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[5:17] <Tachyon`> (we got an additional days holiday as she celebrated 60 years as the UK's most expensive anachronism)
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[5:18] <simonlc> well my root partition is ext4
[5:18] <simonlc> on my desktop*
[5:18] <Tachyon`> I wonder if it's just parted outo f date
[5:18] <Tachyon`> if you have x, try gparted
[5:18] <simonlc> mine got to canada from the uk, shipped 16th, here on the 22nd
[5:21] <mkopack> Oh well, heading to bed. Good luck!
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[5:21] <simonlc> gn
[5:21] <simonlc> trying gparted
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[5:25] <simonlc> idk looks like this worked
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[5:28] <Tachyon`> lol
[5:28] <simonlc> ok well I plugged it in and it just lights up but I get no video
[5:28] <simonlc> so idk
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[5:33] <simonlc> how do I know if it's booting?
[5:33] <srwarren> I'm curious if anyone has started thinking about upstreaming the BCM2835 support into the mainline Linux kernel yet.
[5:33] <srwarren> I started to look at it, but don't want to duplicate any effort there.
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[5:35] <hotwings> Expected Ship Date 29 May 2012
[5:35] <hotwings> wow, it actually changed from august 16th finally
[5:36] <dipstick> :o
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[5:36] <srwarren> hotwings, great news - mine too
[5:37] <svenstaro> I didnt even get any kind of acknowledgement from farnell
[5:37] <svenstaro> :/
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[5:38] <dipstick> expecting date, june 18. for mine
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[5:43] <simonlc> I think 4.8V might be too low to power it?
[5:44] <simonlc> the red and green light are on but no video
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[5:53] <hotwings> i have a second order that shows june 18th
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[5:55] <simonlc> what does the ok light mean when it's flashing?
[5:57] <simonlc> no video but I can ssh to it
[5:57] <simonlc> I re made the image cause it wasn't working the the gparted one
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[6:42] <sirvon> am i crazy for paying 150 for a pi
[6:43] <GabrialDestruir> I'd say so.
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[6:44] <GabrialDestruir> More than triple the price.
[6:44] <sirvon> i kno
[6:44] <sirvon> would there have been a cheaper way to experiment on a device such as this
[6:45] <GabrialDestruir> 3.29 times the price.
[6:45] <sirvon> in production the price is a no go
[6:45] <GabrialDestruir> Wait until it shipped from you from farnell?
[6:45] <sirvon> i been waitin for months now
[6:46] <sirvon> i wanna test and put forth action
[6:46] <sirvon> do u think there will be a mass amount of these devices at 25-50 with 12 mos?
[6:47] <RITRedbeard> Allwinner A10
[6:47] * RITRedbeard shrugs
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[6:47] <DaQatz> WHere did you buy it for 150?
[6:47] <sirvon> yea i knooo
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[6:47] <sirvon> im lookin at that a10 now
[6:47] <sirvon> i jus did buy it now on ebay
[6:48] <DaQatz> Oi
[6:48] <SStrife> hah, patience.
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[6:48] <SStrife> and if you bought it on ebay, you might have been scammed
[6:48] <SStrife> there's a lot of that going on, apparently
[6:49] <DaQatz> That's because people want pi's, and they are hard to get still.
[6:49] <sirvon> yall makin me wanna not pay the auction now
[6:49] <sirvon> hmmmmmmm
[6:49] <SStrife> why so desperate?
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[6:50] <sirvon> i wanna test the hardward against my concept
[6:50] <SStrife> there are literally hundreds of thousands of people still waiting
[6:50] <GabrialDestruir> People want Pi so the price shoots up because they're almost impossible to get.
[6:50] <sirvon> but im thinkin theres gotta be another way to test on similar hardware
[6:50] <SStrife> there are plenty of ways
[6:50] <GabrialDestruir> Once the production evens out though and gets caught up.
[6:50] <GabrialDestruir> The price will drop
[6:51] <SStrife> for $150, you could nearly get two Mele A1000's
[6:51] <SStrife> but they aren't ARMv6
[6:51] <SStrife> if you need an ARMv6 system for developing a commercial product
[6:51] <SStrife> there are plenty
[6:52] <SStrife> just not Pi's, and not for $25
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[6:52] <sirvon> basically with the same specs and the same community behind it
[6:53] <sirvon> alot of energy in the dev of this product
[6:53] <sirvon> or maybe jus lots of media attention/hits
[6:53] <SStrife> is it for something you plan to commercialise?
[6:53] <SStrife> hahaha
[6:53] <sirvon> yes.
[6:53] <SStrife> of course it is
[6:53] <SStrife> "lots of media attention"
[6:54] <sirvon> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=320909177697&view=all&tid=897083171011
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[6:54] <SStrife> you shouldn't need that, if your concept is worthwhile
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[6:56] <sirvon> u might be right
[6:56] <SStrife> no
[6:56] <SStrife> i am right
[6:57] <SStrife> whatever you're doing sounds pretty scummy.
[6:57] <sirvon> meanin??
[6:57] <SStrife> if you want to use a Pi, because Pi is the right tool for the job
[6:57] <SStrife> then wait for one like everyone else
[6:57] <SStrife> If you want a Pi, because it's a hot thing
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[6:58] <SStrife> then you mustn't have much faith in your idea to sell itself
[6:58] <sirvon> ure rite man
[6:58] <sirvon> i been thinkin that today
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[6:58] <sirvon> my service isnt based on Pi
[6:59] <sirvon> but the Pi would make presenting it that much more cooler
[6:59] <sirvon> but i can use a netbook or a old pc to display it
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[6:59] <SStrife> Oh
[6:59] <sirvon> the Pi jus has an visual effect
[7:00] <sirvon> of being mini
[7:00] <RITRedbeard> mmm mm
[7:00] <RITRedbeard> waiting for that M508 A10 based USB computer to be in stock
[7:00] <SStrife> Ah, I thought you were wanting to put the Pi in a box, call it your own, sell it for huge $$
[7:00] <sirvon> NO
[7:00] <SStrife> "Powered by Pi" cash in in the hype
[7:00] <SStrife> ah well
[7:00] <RITRedbeard> no
[7:00] <SStrife> thats different then :)
[7:00] <RITRedbeard> if you could make stickers like that
[7:00] <RITRedbeard> like the Pentium stickers
[7:00] <RITRedbeard> I'd buy one for $2
[7:01] <RITRedbeard> have laptop size
[7:01] <SStrife> but I'd still stay away from ebay auctions,
[7:01] <SStrife> at least for a few months
[7:01] <SStrife> till the actual scammers get tired and give up
[7:02] <RITRedbeard> ya
[7:02] <RITRedbeard> they going to arrest eben?
[7:02] <SStrife> who is?
[7:03] <RITRedbeard> nti-scammer brigade
[7:03] <SStrife> oh
[7:03] <SStrife> '
[7:04] <SStrife> where did you hear that?
[7:04] <RITRedbeard> i was asking
[7:05] <SStrife> oh
[7:05] <SStrife> why would they arrest eben?
[7:07] <RITRedbeard> ponzi scheme master
[7:09] <SStrife> sigh
[7:10] <sirvon> u saved me ss
[7:10] <SStrife> ?
[7:10] <sirvon> that seller went from seller 15-20-30 items to all of a sudden selling pi for 150
[7:11] <sirvon> has anybody actually played a video in the console?
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[7:29] <GabrialDestruir> Not in a console, but I've been playing videos all day with my Pi
[7:29] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[7:37] <sirvon> u have x on pi?
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[7:44] <GabrialDestruir> xbmc on pi
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[8:52] * gordonDrogon waves. "Morning"... (yawn)
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[8:52] <hotwings> 11:50pm dude
[8:52] <DaQatz> almost 3am here
[8:52] <hotwings> your clock is wrong
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> such is the global nature of the world :)
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> 7:51am here (UK)
[8:53] <shirro> Yes but I bet I am the only one here with a :21 instead of a :51 on the clock
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> aargh - a half hour timezone!
[8:53] <shirro> fun isn't it
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[8:54] <gordonDrogon> I don't know. is it? I imagine it cuases some amusement...
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Somethings wrong:
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> 07:54:28 up 1 day, 13:04, 3 users, load average: 1.62, 0.84, 0.46
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[8:56] <gordonDrogon> I've obviously not managed to crash it in over a day ... :)
[8:56] <hotwings> is crashing a problem with rpi?
[8:57] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest that in-general, no.
[8:57] <gordonDrogon> However I can repeatedly crash mine when I try to launch my SDL application in the console.
[8:57] <shirro> I can make it oops on demand but locking it up completely takes a bit more work that it used to
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[8:57] <gordonDrogon> and the wolds most expensive thermometer is reading 20.
[8:58] <shirro> !w
[8:58] <PiBot> shirro: in Adelaide, SA on Wed May 23 22:00:00 2012. Temp 13??C. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 88%, Later 20??C - 7??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi_sht15.jpg
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> !w
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[8:58] <gordonDrogon> !w buckfastleigh
[8:58] <PiBot> gordonDrogon: in Buckfastleigh, Devon. Temp 12??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 94%, Later 22??C - 8??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[8:59] <dipstick> ooh weather bot :)
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> well bot's wrong.
[8:59] <dipstick> how is it wrong?
[9:00] <haltdef> you're close
[9:00] <haltdef> !w dawlish
[9:00] <PiBot> haltdef: in Dawlish, Devon. Temp 12??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 94%, Later 21??C - 10??C. Condition: Fog.
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> outside temp is currently 17 and humidifty is 65
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> You're in Dawlish? almost just down the road...
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[9:00] <haltdef> almost
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> neat.
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> Ever been to the local LUGs
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> we have 2 in Devon...
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> http://exeter.lug.org.uk/wiki/ and http://www.dcglug.org.uk/
[9:03] <gordonDrogon> time for a spot of breakfast.
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[9:05] <haltdef> I have not
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[9:08] <haltdef> I'm more of a linux tolerater than user ????
[9:09] <huene> !w
[9:09] <PiBot> huene: in Linz, Upper Austria. Temp 18??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 83%, Later 25??C - 12??C. Condition: Thunderstorm.
[9:09] <hotwings> i love linux for my fileserver and htpc.. but for a desktop? hell no
[9:10] <haltdef> agree
[9:10] <haltdef> recently switched from win2k8 on my server, makes far more sense
[9:10] <huene> i have linux on all my machines, except for one, which i use for gaming
[9:10] <haltdef> no rebooting for updates once a month
[9:11] <haltdef> useful software raid
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[9:12] <haltdef> win8 is a bit worrying
[9:13] <hotwings> not for me, i have no intention of bothering with it. win7 works great here so it will stay :)
[9:13] <haltdef> my laptop is not a tablet, it will never have a touch screen, do not force an ugly touchscreen UI on me
[9:13] <haltdef> ta
[9:13] <sirvon> for some reason i like surfin and researchin the web best on windows i think its habit
[9:13] <sirvon> linux is that shit tho
[9:13] <sirvon> commandline allday
[9:13] <haltdef> I'll give it a go, I've only tried the public beta so far
[9:13] <haltdef> unless it's changed drastically I'll be keeping win7
[9:13] <sirvon> win8 is retared
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[9:14] <sirvon> ios/osx is the new windows
[9:14] <haltdef> just how I'll be happily using the regulr windows desktop then suddenly a metro dialog pops up
[9:14] <haltdef> horrible
[9:14] <haltdef> I don't want to talk about the start menu
[9:15] <hotwings> win8 will be fine on a tablet. but, a desktop is not a tablet
[9:16] <haltdef> I've actually tried a touchscreen desktop
[9:16] <haltdef> arms ache after a few seconds
[9:16] <hotwings> i have zero interest in a touchscreen desktop. imo the keyboard/mouse input for a desktop is perfect
[9:17] <haltdef> mmhmm
[9:17] <haltdef> even on a tablet I'd have no interest in metro
[9:18] <haltdef> would have bought an x86 tablet so I could run useful software, not gimmicky crap that doesn't really do anything
[9:18] <hotwings> im not really even interested in tablets to be honest :)
[9:18] <haltdef> non-x86 tablets are just a stupid fad imo :P
[9:18] <haltdef> (THANKS APPLE)
[9:19] <hotwings> closest thing i have to one is a netbook i bought to entertain me while on long flights
[9:19] <haltdef> I have a 5" netbook somewhere
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[9:20] <hotwings> im not big on texting, i dont give a sh*t about twitter, facebook, and all the other social media stuff.. and i certainly dont try to pretend my smartphone is a good general computing device
[9:21] <sirvon> ios a fad?
[9:21] <sirvon> wow!
[9:21] <haltdef> that's what I wanted in a smartphone for a very long time
[9:21] <haltdef> n900 came close to being that but never quite there
[9:21] <sirvon> this is the rasbpi chat room and the dialog is like from 1963
[9:21] <haltdef> 5" x86 win7 netbook, that did it :P
[9:21] <haltdef> sirvon, I did not say that
[9:22] <sirvon> but the most futuristic usually are the ones full of nostalga
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[9:22] <sirvon> non-x86 tablers are just stupid fads
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[9:23] <haltdef> that covers a fair amount of tablets running more than one OS :P
[9:23] <sirvon> yea ur right
[9:23] <sirvon> most are trash
[9:23] <haltdef> I already have a small ARM device running android/ios/whatever, why on earth would I want a bigger one that does the same sodding thing
[9:23] <haltdef> one running ubuntu, *that* might be different
[9:23] <hotwings> well, windows and ios are two different things that serve different needs. theyre apples vs. oranges
[9:23] <haltdef> asus transformer prime sorta thing
[9:24] <sirvon> its only the beginning
[9:25] <hotwings> only the beginning of what?
[9:25] <sirvon> in time with more uses we all will see tablets/touch ui/commandline ui aka texting
[9:25] <sirvon> the beginning of touch/tablet era
[9:25] <sirvon> thats why i said ios is windows
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[9:25] <sirvon> b/c it took a while for that windows os to full surface
[9:26] <sirvon> alot of comp alot of choice
[9:26] <sirvon> same with tablets
[9:26] <sirvon> the dust will settle and apple's product will surface
[9:27] <sirvon> unless they let 'it' happen again..... someone steal there secert sauce
[9:27] <hotwings> tablets are here, yeah. they serve a purpose, just like smartphones and desktops
[9:27] <hotwings> theyll all be around for a while
[9:27] <hotwings> none of them are replacements for the others
[9:28] <sirvon> they will be the defacto mass market computing device only US on irc and developers will care for anything else
[9:28] <sirvon> yes tablets are replacement computing devices for the mass
[9:28] <sirvon> because the way the masses compute has jus begun to change
[9:28] <hotwings> nope, not even close
[9:28] <sirvon> :)
[9:28] <sirvon> only the future will tell
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[9:29] <sirvon> nice convo tho, the first time i had good talks on irc since i been back on earth
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[9:29] <sirvon> thanks guys gn
[9:29] <hotwings> we see a ride in smartphone and tablet sales but what you dont see is any significant decline in desktop sales
[9:30] <hotwings> that is a good indicator that people arent replacing desktops with those devices
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[9:30] <sirvon> ur right
[9:30] <GeekShadow> hello
[9:30] <GeekShadow> when is supposed to arrive the next batch of element14 ?
[9:30] <sirvon> like i sed its has just begun
[9:31] <sirvon> the new era of computing
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[9:31] <hotwings> another factor to consider is how often people purchase a new phone and/or tablet vs. a new desktop
[9:31] <hotwings> phone average is 2yrs, desktop is 5yrs
[9:33] <GeekShadow> thing is you can't really code or create complex things on tablet/smartphone
[9:33] <hotwings> i look at computers the same way as motor vehicles.. desktops, laptops, netbook, ultrabook, tablet, smartphone.... reminds me of cars, trucks, suvs, vans, motorcycles, heavy machinery, etc
[9:34] <sm4wwg_> Wohooo! Got an email from Farnell that my RPi is shipped. :D And even cooler, a week ago RS said about the same. On thing though, RS charged me 374 SEK (about 31 pounds) and Farnell charged med 499 SEK (42 pounds). Wonder why, since they're both in the UK and I'm in Sweden. Wasn't the prices set for all distributors?
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[9:34] <hotwings> they all have a place because they all serve a unique set of needs
[9:34] <rm> Farnell are just greedy
[9:34] <GeekShadow> one people can install or not an app, but can't really create :/
[9:34] <rm> that's the reason
[9:34] <sm4wwg_> rm: Yeah, seems like it
[9:35] <hotwings> sm4wwg_ - congrats. i discovered my first rpi will supposedly ship may 29. second one june 18th. still not holding my breath though
[9:35] <plugwash> sm4wwg_, the foundation set a nominal price but that is pretty meaninless since the distributors were allowed to add on what they wanted for shipping and handling
[9:37] <RaYmAn> hotwings: dates seem to be holding now tbh.. just got my RS pi yesterday and my farnell pi shipped today
[9:38] <hotwings> i wont really be surprised if mine ships on the 29th. but i wouldnt be surprised if it didnt either
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[9:39] <hotwings> i guess im numb to whats said and have settled into 'ill believe it when i see it'
[9:39] <sm4wwg_> hotwings: you will probably turn blue due to lack of oxygen ;-)
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[9:40] <hotwings> my rpi excitement wore off already anyways. sad thing is, i havent even gotten mine yet
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[9:40] <hotwings> wow, another WA user was in here?!
[9:41] <sm4wwg_> plugwash: So true... Anyway, just glad they're on the way :D
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> hopefully get my Farnell Pi today.
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> RS just gave me "3 weeks from now" about a week ago...
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> Then I'll have 3...
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> haltdef, if you fancy the LUGs just drop-in - although I won't be there this month due to another commitment.
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> (I run a 'hobby' catering business and I'm doing a wedding that weekend of the 9th/10th)
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[9:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Noisy outside and there's a bloke sweeping the street. With a big brush and everything!
[9:50] <haltdef> sucks I'm at work all day
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> I work from home...
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> which is not always the best thing, however...
[9:51] <haltdef> I would be walking the dogs on the beach if I didn't have work
[9:51] <haltdef> only contracted to 15hrs but loads of overtime available
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> yea, you have some nice coast down there!
[9:51] <haltdef> I do have a bit of a view from the shop I work at though
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> that's nice. I see over the street to the houses on the other side...
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[9:52] <gordonDrogon> whats the shop?
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[9:52] <haltdef> one stop
[9:52] <haltdef> can see a lil bit of blue sea as well as all of the lawns, which is quite pretty in summer
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> I use this: http://www.dartcom.co.uk/dartcam/index.php for a 'back window' on Dartmoor...
[9:53] <haltdef> :o
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[9:55] <haltdef> holiday starts on sunday
[9:56] <haltdef> I have a feeling this weather will also end that day too
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> monday a spot of rain but the rest of the time looks good.
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> http://theweatheroutlook.com/twoforecasts/forregdaily.aspx?postcode=tq11+0bt&selected=0
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[10:05] <SBeans> Goood mrrrrrrroing
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> said with a springggggggg :)
[10:07] <piless> shouldn't it be the vowels with the repeated letters?
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> should it? Who knows. english wasn't my strong subject :)
[10:08] <simonlc> so I resized my partition on the raspi, was way easier that way
[10:08] <piless> unless you were gargling.
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> simonlc, resizing isn't too hard - I presume you mean easier than formatting the unused space and mounting it as a new partition?
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[10:11] <piless> I always thought resizing a partition was a bad idea
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[10:11] <gordonDrogon> I was never a fan of it myself, but the code is stable now as far as I can tell.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> resize the partition then grow the filesystem into it.
[10:12] <simonlc> putting the img on the sd card was the easy part, but then using parted or gparted didn't work for me too use the complete space availible on the card
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> have you managed it now?
[10:12] <simonlc> yes, I was following the guide on elinux, and the way they say to do it on the raspi worked
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> I put this together to help folks: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> Ah, I'll need to find that.
[10:13] <simonlc> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[10:13] <simonlc> bottom of page
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[10:14] <gordonDrogon> I find navigating that wiki somewhat hard at times.
[10:14] <simonlc> I do aswell
[10:14] <piless> gordonDrogon: you should cut out the bit about reconfiguring the keyboard, just tell them to go out and buy a UK keyboard. They're better.
[10:15] <simonlc> ansi > iso
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> piless, hehe... Yea :) I only added that a few days ago too!
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> looks like the wiki has copied my stuff ;-)
[10:16] <piless> they didn't link you as a source either
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> well it's not as if it's original - sometimes there isn't more than one way to do stuff..
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> although maybe I'll go in and edit it :)
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> right. time for a bio break then get down to some work... ):
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[10:28] <bootc> FrankBuss: if you dno't mind, I won't integrate that patch as the BSC2 is for private use by the VideoCore for HDMI shenanigans
[10:28] <bootc> at least, that's how I understand it
[10:29] <FrankBuss> yes, that's what I was thinking, too, maybe an experimental switch in the kernel config, if hacking is enabled? :-)
[10:29] <bootc> I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader ;-)
[10:30] <bootc> anyway, with the device tree stuff in the 3.4 branch this sort of thing is a lot easier for users to do
[10:30] <FrankBuss> ok
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[10:43] <mayski> hi.
[10:43] <simonlc> wut, not able to use * with cp or mv
[10:44] <simonlc> 'cannot stat *: no such file or directory
[10:46] <GibbaTheHutt> what exactly are you entering ?
[10:46] <Dagger2> * is expanded by the shell
[10:46] <Dagger2> but if it doesn't expand it, I guess you don't have any (non-hidden) files in the current folder
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[10:47] <simonlc> typing mv * ..
[10:48] <simonlc> and cp * ..
[10:49] <Dagger2> does `ls` show any files?
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[10:51] <simonlc> no, ls -a does
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> files starting with a dot are not normally seen by *
[10:51] <simonlc> also in zsh, I get the error "zsh: no matches found: *"
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[10:52] <simonlc> really? that's always worked on my desktop iirc
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> if ls shows no files, then there are no files...
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> (other than dot files)
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[10:52] <simonlc> interesting, well using .* worked
[10:52] <Dagger2> I suspect you can change the behaviour, but not expanding to files starting with a . is what I see on all my systems
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, indeed - that's been the default behaviour for ... ever.
[10:56] <simonlc> idk maybe I don't linux enough
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[10:59] <urs> Yehaa
[10:59] * urs is now also finally on the list of raspberry pi owners
[10:59] <urs> Package just arrived.
[11:01] <simonlc> :D
[11:01] <urs> Now where did I put that sd card...
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> Hurrah! :)
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[11:04] <piless> urs: remember don't do a danieldaniel
[11:04] <simonlc> what's a danieldaniel?
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> poor danieldaniel.. will his name ever be forgotten???
[11:04] <piless> he killed his pi by randomly attacking it with a soldering iron
[11:04] <simonlc> why would you randomly attack it
[11:05] <piless> Because he was an idiot
[11:05] <simonlc> did he have a goal in mind?
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> I though he just managed to drop a blob of solder into it?
[11:05] <piless> Not that I'm aware of
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> although that does bed the question of why he was near it in the first place with a soldering iron...
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> so-far i've not had the urge (nor need!) to take my soldering iron anywhere near it. I suspect I never will either..
[11:06] <piless> And the twat didn't even bother to recycle it, he just chucked it in the bin.
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> wow...
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[11:09] <phasip> So I just ordered by rpi from rs, I want to get a sd-card from ebay but I remember there beeing some trouble with specific cards? Any suggestions on a good card/type that works, and can be found on ebay?
[11:11] <simonlc> there's a list of tested cards on elinux
[11:12] <Vostok> transcend 16 GB class whatever works
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> probably now much point getting one more than about 4GB I reckon.
[11:13] <teh_orph> NFS all the way
[11:13] <haltdef> yeah don't buy cards from ebay
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> there is that, but realistically, it's unlikely you'll be stoting much - although people using it as a medial player might want local storage... Hmmm..
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[11:14] * gordonDrogon is waiting on the postie too....
[11:15] <Vostok> gordonDrogon: What's the point on limiting to 4GB
[11:15] <huene> gordonDrogon: he will never be forgotten :)
[11:15] <Vostok> just installing a lot of software quickly fills that up
[11:15] <Vostok> 16GB costs nothing
[11:15] <Vostok> 32GB does
[11:15] <huene> being the first to fry a pi - it's not an honor, but a way to make sure, people will memorize you
[11:16] <Vostok> can you provide a reference for this danieldaniel case
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> Vostok, I'd be surprised if most folk can install enough to fill a 4GB card, however you seem to be the exception :)
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[11:16] <teh_orph> is no-one worried about their pi killing cards?
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> how do Farnell post things in the UK - can't find tracking into on the website...
[11:16] <Vostok> gordonDrogon: Everything needs space.
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> I have a transcend that Pi doesn't like - at random )-:
[11:17] <Vostok> running it as an IRC machine with logs enabled
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> Vostok, that's what servers are for..
[11:17] <Vostok> running data acquisition stuff like i plan to do
[11:17] <Vostok> etc
[11:17] <phasip> NFS? haltdef: Why not buy from ebay?
[11:17] <Vostok> gordonDrogon: pi is the server
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[11:17] <teh_orph> NFS=network file system
[11:18] <jardiamj> pi killing card? teh_orph what's that about?
[11:18] <haltdef> fakes
[11:18] <teh_orph> I have branded sandisk jobbies, that are starting to report erorrs
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> my kingston ones have been OK so-far. slow class 4 though.
[11:19] <haltdef> the fastest card I've found is a class 2 sandisk that came with my zte blade
[11:19] <jardiamj> my pi doesn't particularly like SanDisk cards
[11:19] <haltdef> 200KB/s randoms vs the single digit of faster class cards
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[11:21] <phasip> How slow will the PI be running with a class 4 card?
[11:22] <haltdef> class doesn't matter
[11:22] <teh_orph> yeah the speed seems to be capped
[11:22] <teh_orph> plus random reads is where it's at
[11:22] <haltdef> it just measures sequential writes, which are almost irrelevant to running an OS
[11:22] <phasip> Ah, so getting a class 10 is just waste of money then
[11:23] <haltdef> buying one with the pi in mind is very difficult
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> random writes are relevant to applications that open files with O_SYNC or use the fsync system call.
[11:23] <haltdef> any reviews and benchmarks are purely sequential, even then manufacturers change the card entirely so it performs differently
[11:23] <teh_orph> or get a USB->SATA adaptor and a small hard drive
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Farnell doesn't seem to give the UPS tracking number.
[11:24] <teh_orph> yeah it just shows up in a jiffy bag
[11:25] <teh_orph> I didn't have to sign for it either
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> that's ok. my UPS delivery man is quite good.
[11:25] <lennard> farnell gave me a UPS tracking number :)
[11:25] <lennard> just this morning
[11:25] <teh_orph> farnell uk?
[11:25] <lennard> farnell nl
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> yes, uk for me.
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> running a bonnie on my pi... lets see how bad it really is :)
[11:29] <phasip> I get two
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> phasip, Two Pi's?
[11:30] <phasip> Sorry bout that: I get two "Transcend SDHC Class 6 4GB" for the price of one when buying from ebay, the worst part is that shipping in sweden is the same price as the actual card.
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> Ah. Well, that's good and bad ...
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[11:34] <Davespice> good morning folks! :)
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[11:34] <Davespice> anyone seen this > http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/via-technologies-outs-49-apc-android-barebones/
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[11:35] <Davespice> actually don't think its as good as the Pi and can only do 720p too, surprisingly
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> yes, we were chatting about it yesterday. Nice, but it's a bit heavy on power...
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it'll see use in set-top-box type applications though. Handy to have VGA too.
[11:36] <Veryevil> ha ha ha mass power cut at work
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> Woops :)
[11:37] <Veryevil> good job we use laptops
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> Hope the UPSs protected the vital stuff...
[11:37] <Veryevil> servers are ok
[11:37] <Veryevil> the have been safely shur down on ups
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> I have 3 small UPSs here. Good enough for my home/office.
[11:38] <Veryevil> internet is still working
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> I wish some of my clients would get UPSs )-:
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> "OH we'll be ok. The power never fails here..." ...
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> cheapskates )-:
[11:40] <Hourd> UPS are awesome things
[11:40] <nacimep> if you can find one that lasts longer than a few min
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> I used to have a really good one here, but I discovered that it's idle power draw was over 60 watts )-:
[11:40] <rm> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwNTU VIA Is Still At It: They Launched A $49 ARM PC
[11:40] <Hourd> clients always think its wasted expense until they need one, then wish they took your advice to begin with and blame you for not just installing them... =[
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> most of my clients are small tech. startups, so money is often tight though - however I then ask them how much a days downtime costs...
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> and then there's the "Oh we rely on the Internet" crowd who won't fork-out for a backup line or a half decent leased line.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> ho hum!
[11:42] <Hourd> its ALWAYS worth forking out for UPS if you have uptime reliant systems
[11:42] <Hourd> gordonDrogon: srsly?
[11:42] * Hourd facedesks
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> Hourd, yes...
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> I hqve found a big difference working in ruralistan to big cities though.
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> people here in rural devon do things a little differently... there's little funding to be had, so it's all hand to pocket stuff...
[11:43] <Hourd> ah
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> big trade-off between living & working in a gorgeous location vs. the centre of Londonium!
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> ok. bonnie's finished and the results are not looking good )-:
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[11:45] <vtest1> if you're happy and you know it syntax error !!
[11:45] <Hourd> gordonDrogon: yeah i couldnt live in london... my girlfriend does, i dislike visiting for too long
[11:46] <Veryevil> oh well switches about to die
[11:46] <Veryevil> gonna loose internet
[11:46] <Veryevil> might get to go home
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/bonnie.txt
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> that's a long outage!
[11:47] <Veryevil> nah just small UPS
[11:47] <Veryevil> and hungy old switches
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> yes, but still a long outage...
[11:47] <des2> Makezine has a short blurb also: http://blog.makezine.com/2012/05/23/49-android-pc-from-via/
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> is everyone on laptops? that's an interesting take on "personal" USPs...
[11:47] <Veryevil> yeah we dont have desktops we work on
[11:48] <Veryevil> we all use laptops and have seecondays screens
[11:48] <Hourd> same here
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[11:49] <des2> http://apc.io/about/
[11:49] <Davespice> my employer uses desktops all round
[11:49] <Davespice> some laptops are used but only by people who are in and out of the office
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> Hm. That's actually an intersting way to work. One of my clients locally is thinking of something like that. I'll make a point that laptops come with built-in UPSs...
[11:50] <dmsuse> isnt a battery a ups ? lol
[11:51] <GabrialDestruir> For some reason uTorrent is ignoring the instructions on download locations .-.
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[11:52] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I need to go to the coop, but don't want to go out in-case the UPS man comes )-:
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[11:54] <shirro> does anyone know if any of last weeks rs invites have gone out yet? don't really get how rs works
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> You get an invite when they have stock if you're next on the list.
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> I got my invite on the 17th of May.
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> then you go to the store, and enter the code you're given
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> so I placed the order and they said 3 weeks...
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> I got 2 days after getting email
[11:56] <shirro> yeah, I got my 3 weeks. Just that e14 took, my money and sent it on the same day and it went overnight. I think rs took the money but no news yet
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> RS Cost: ?30.87, Farnell: ?31.86
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[11:56] <gordonDrogon> I've heard nothing from RS since I placed the order.
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> Once your order has been despatched we will send you further details on shipment and courier, to
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> help track your delivery.
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> so it's a waiting game.
[11:57] <Holden> most probably they won't... my parcel showed up at my door about a week later
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[11:57] <SpeedEvil> i got a tracking number next day
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> not sure what I'll do with the Pis though...
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> might donate one to a project I did last weekend though - automated weather station thing. Arduino in the field sending data back wirelessly to a PC of some sort sending it on to a remote database.
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> Im also expecting some xrf wireless kit to turn up today too. At least I hope it turns up - the company, while good was a bit flakey when it came to ordering.
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> however I did pay in a manner that they thought was novel - bank transfer. They originally wanted me to use paypal, which I don't like.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> I don't understand why people are reluctant to use bank transfer.
[12:11] <mayski> handling costs and additional delay?
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> they get more money as paypal doesn't get their cut and bank transfer is instant these days.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> (well, I pay more for it to be instant!)
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[12:13] <mayski> I thought it depended on the bank(s) handling the transfer
[12:14] <mayski> at least in international payments it could possibly add days
[12:15] <mayski> I'm in europe though :p
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> I only use it for UK to UK transfers.
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[12:16] <gordonDrogon> I very rarely buy stuff from outside the UK.
[12:16] <mayski> ah yes well then it makes sense
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> I also insist on all my clients paying me by bank transfer too. So much easier than faffing about with cheques!!!
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[12:18] <gordonDrogon> hm. gotta risk a trip to the shops and hope I don't miss UPS, postie, etc.
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[12:21] <Veryevil> Hey, Power is back!
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[12:23] <Veryevil> Well for a short while
[12:23] <Veryevil> is gone again
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[12:25] <Veryevil> uasing my phone for internet
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[12:38] <ant_thomas> So is it only me that managed to get 2 RPis from Farnell on their 2nd shipment?
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[12:38] <dmsuse> 2 from the same company?
[12:38] <ant_thomas> Yeah
[12:38] <dmsuse> thought they didn't allow that?
[12:38] <ant_thomas> I was surprised to
[12:39] <ant_thomas> I ordered one around 8am on the day they went live, then manged to get the site up again later in the morning and ordered another
[12:39] <RaYmAn> I've heard of people doing it by ordering one for themself and one for their gf :P
[12:39] <Vostok> how did you do that
[12:39] <Vostok> *imaginary gf
[12:39] <ant_thomas> Same Farnell account, arrived on the same day
[12:39] <ant_thomas> Maybe I was very lucky
[12:39] <nid0> if they were ordered through the same account you must have slipped through, supposedly theyre checking for attempts to order multiple and cancel them
[12:40] <ant_thomas> I was surprised I got all the confirmation emails for both. I was expecting a cancellation
[12:40] <ant_thomas> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14641356/rpi1.jpg
[12:40] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, are you around?
[12:40] <RaYmAn> wow - RS kind of packs them up much nicer than that :P
[12:41] <ant_thomas> They were in a Jiffy bag each
[12:41] <ant_thomas> They got different dispatch dates but arrived on the same day!
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[12:47] <khildin> yay... just received mail from farnell that my rpi has been shipped... ^^
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> made the shops - no deliveries...
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> khildin, I'm expecting my Farnell Pi today..
[12:50] <khildin> nice... have fun with it... :)
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> Heh... Already havinhg fun with the one I got off ebay 4 weeks ago :)
[12:50] <khildin> any special thinhs in mind with it?
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> nothing special - just a nice little toy and I've been playing with the gpio.
[12:51] <khildin> did you try xmbc for rpi?
[12:52] <khildin> or the debian image?
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[12:52] <khildin> first thing I will do is print a case for it... :)
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[12:53] <ShiftPlusOne> khildin, which printer?
[12:53] <khildin> probably one of these designs: http://www.thingiverse.com/tag:Raspberry_Pi
[12:54] <khildin> on an orca v0.3 printer
[12:55] <ShiftPlusOne> khildin, I am buying jamesglanville's one from him.
[12:55] <ShiftPlusOne> a case, not the printer obviously
[12:55] <khildin> :)
[12:55] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:21733
[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> with a mod for a floppy drive cable for gpio.
[12:56] <dmsuse> i think ima go to maplin later and get some resistors and leds and stuff
[12:56] <dmsuse> no idea what to buy tho
[12:56] <khildin> is that the stackable case?
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[12:57] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, Get standard 3mm LEDs (or 5mm) and 330 ohm resistors for them if you're connecting them directly to the GPIO.
[12:57] <ShiftPlusOne> not that I am aware of
[12:57] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: thnx
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, do you have a proto board?
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, or breadboard type of thing?
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[13:01] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: im getting a breadboard too
[13:01] <dmsuse> Min Res 330R
[13:01] <dmsuse> is that it?
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, ok, good. the final thing is hookup wire :)
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, however what you really need is female to male jump leads.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> so you can push these over the GPIO pins then plug into the breadboard.
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, just checking the maplin site - not sure they have any )-:
[13:05] <dmsuse> i searched for
[13:05] <dmsuse> jump leads
[13:05] <dmsuse> and found some
[13:05] <dmsuse> but not sure about what ends they have
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> for cars :)
[13:05] <dmsuse> no lol
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> http://www.maplin.co.uk/flexible-jumper-wires-2013
[13:06] <dmsuse> yeah thats em
[13:06] <dmsuse> total (??244.05 ex vat) just to get some darn leds to light up
[13:06] <dmsuse> lol
[13:06] <dmsuse> oops
[13:06] <dmsuse> ??24.05
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> can you wait a day?
[13:07] <dmsuse> a day sure :P
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[13:08] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-premium-150mm-mf-pack-of-10-p-909.html
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> I got 2 packs of those.
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[13:08] <dmsuse> would i get away with 1 pack?
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> along with a breadboard - I already had a lot of other flexy wires, etc.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[13:09] <dmsuse> actually i want to power more leds ill get 2
[13:09] <dmsuse> do these have any kits of resistors and stuff like a lucky bag
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> skpang are somewhat creative with next-day ordering though - they don't specify the cut-off time, but I've found that if I oder before about 1pm it's usually next day.
[13:09] <dmsuse> oh i better hurry then
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[13:10] <gordonDrogon> there are some good kits with lots of "stuff" really aimed at arudinos though - start at about the 45 quid level.
[13:10] <dmsuse> :O
[13:10] * dmsuse steps back in shock
[13:10] <dmsuse> my arduino should arrive today
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> so for example this: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/5mm-red-led-resistor-pack-of-10-p-531.html
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> 10 LEDs and resistors.
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> It will work fine on the Pi, but the LEDs might be a bit dim as they're 560 ohm resistors for a 5V supply.
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> I've accumulated bags of resistors and bits over the years.
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> this http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/resistor-kit-14w-5-500-total-p-1035.html might be handy for example, but you'll never use 80% of them...
[13:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> My LEDs are pretty bright and happy with ~300Ohm, but dim as hell with ~600
[13:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: you ordered an arduino too, nice, you getting started like me?
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[13:14] <gordonDrogon> the ones I got recently actually should have a 47R resistor for 3.3v ... however they're stupidly bright at that and sucking about 35mA...
[13:14] <fALSO> i bought a kid of resistors on ebay
[13:14] <fALSO> with LOADS of them
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> 330rR is fine.
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> fALSO, were they sorted?
[13:14] <fALSO> well
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[13:15] <fALSO> they are joined togheter
[13:15] <dmsuse> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/lcd-displays-16x2-lcd-33v-c-91_207.html
[13:15] <dmsuse> would those work with a pi >?
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I bought a big bag of sorted resistors and my ex dropped them... so now they're all over the place >=/
[13:15] <fALSO> it was this shiftplusone -> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130684920910?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_833wt_1396
[13:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: getting one up and running would be a nice challenge, and yes they should work
[13:15] <fALSO> 10 resistors of each value
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, yes - you'll need 11 GPIO pins to drive them!
[13:15] <dmsuse> :o
[13:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> And yeah, 11 pins :D
[13:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> you're better off finding a serial-compatible LCD
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[13:16] <gordonDrogon> they're essentially a parallel interface - 8 data bits, clock,strobe, and something else...
[13:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> less challenge in it, though
[13:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9066 :D
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> some of them can work in 4-bit mode though where you clock both halves of a byte in separately - saves 4 pins.
[13:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I raise you a serial enabled LCD :D
[13:17] <dmsuse> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html
[13:17] <dmsuse> oooo
[13:17] <dmsuse> u never told me about that :D
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> you didn't ask..
[13:18] <dmsuse> but it has everthing i want lol
[13:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: you're better off with a bigger arduino kit, if you want to do anything exciting
[13:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But that starter kit is nice for beginners
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> the one thing arduino has is analogue input.
[13:18] <Vostok> i didn't manage to find any M/F jumper wires
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> skapng is the only place I've seen them so-far.
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> anyway, why put a small LCD on a Pi when it can drive a BIG monitor :)
[13:19] <Gadget-Work> Vostok, http://proto-pic.co.uk/jumper-wires-premium-12-m-f-pack-of-10/
[13:19] <dmsuse> lol
[13:19] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: I basically went to maplin and grabbed a random little bag of LEDs/resistors for my Pi, they "just worked"
[13:20] <Hourd> why wouldnt they?
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> then again, things like this http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/serial-miniature-oled-module-15-p-795.html are very cute...
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[13:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hourd: people are apprehensive to hook stuff up to the Pi
[13:21] <teh_orph> esp after finding the gpio mappings on elinux.org were wrong!
[13:21] <Gadget-Work> As long as you size the resitors ok you'll be fine
[13:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Mmm, serial OLED for the great success :D
[13:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> teh_orph: Wrong, ohrly?
[13:22] <teh_orph> yeah I can't remember who,
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> I think there was great confusion in the early days.
[13:22] <teh_orph> but someone corrected the image a couple of days ago
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[13:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> A *couple*? My whole world??? is a lie...
[13:22] <teh_orph> check the history: http://elinux.org/File:GPIOs.png
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> I certianly had issues, however I did work out stuff for myself and I'm not convinced that Gerts code is correct either, however...
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. It's changed!!!
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> Theymove now moved GPIO4 to GPIO7.
[13:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> teh_orph: Ah, doesn't matter much to me anyway??? the Pin values in WiringPi don't seem to correlate to any of these graphics, I just trial-and-error it
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> Bother.
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[13:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I actually added a "testall" to gordonDrogon's "gpio" app, so I could hook up LEDs and map out the pins
[13:24] <dmsuse> are there any relays on this site that a pi can power
[13:24] <dmsuse> so i can switch on high ampage stuff
[13:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I wish I'd bothered to use that mapping :D
[13:25] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: did skpang have optocouplers?
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[13:25] <teh_orph> I couldn't figure out which way up was on the original diagram!
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[13:25] <Gadget-Work> dmsuse, which site ?
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[13:25] <dmsuse> http://www.skpang.co.uk/
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[13:27] <Gadget-Work> dmsuse, not that I can see
[13:27] <dmsuse> Gadget-Work: no search results
[13:27] <dmsuse> oops
[13:27] <dmsuse> Gadget-Work: *
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[13:27] <dmsuse> oh wait
[13:27] <dmsuse> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/4n3500e-optocoupler-p-556.html
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> The Pi can't drive relays directly.
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> I'd use a darlington driver to drive a relay rather than an opto coupler...
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> look for e.g. uln2003 ...
[13:29] <dmsuse> would an arduino do it?
[13:29] <Gadget-Work> this would work http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/fully-built-relay-board-simple-to-use-5v-operation-supports-logic-level-also/
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> same for arduino - not enough oomp to drive a relay directly.
[13:29] <dmsuse> damn
[13:30] <Gadget-Work> or if you're happy to solder
[13:30] <Gadget-Work> http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/kit-relay-board-simple-to-use-3v-operation-supports-logic-level-also/
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> I actually use solid-state relays which can be driven directly - these have built-in opto isolators and can switch mains.
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[13:30] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/solid-state-relays/7385547/
[13:30] <ShiftPlusOne> what happens if you draw too much current from the 5v line? is there any protection there?
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> no protection - it shuts down :)
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> I'd not suggest connecting anything to the 5V pin on the GPIO though.
[13:31] <ShiftPlusOne> because there's not enough current to power the pi itself or because you broke something?
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> your going to be limited by the PSU your using.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> and the usb supplying it to the Pi.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> so if you used a driver to drive a relay off the 5V, then you really need a low-power relay to work.
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[13:33] <gordonDrogon> or use those posh solid state ones :)
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[13:33] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, think I'd need to look at the schematic, but what's wrong with using the 5v line if you have a decent supply?
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> I've used them with arduinos. They work well, but you do need to remember that you have mains on the same board as the logic signals...
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, probably nothing... but do you really want more than an amp flowing over the Pi board and down the USB cable? Not sure...
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[13:34] <dmsuse> MY ARDUINO CAME!!
[13:34] <Hourd> eeewwww clean it up
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> dmsuse: Did it give you a reach-around?
[13:34] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, but they said something about that pin only providing a certain amount of current max... I forget what amount, but where's that limit coming from?
[13:34] <dmsuse> lol
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, Hm. maybe there's a polyfuse on that too.... let me check the diagram.
[13:35] <Gadget-Work> ShiftPlusOne, http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#Power might be useful
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> Ah yes. There's a 1A polyfuse on the 5V input from USB.
[13:36] <Vostok> which diagram
[13:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadget-Work, thanks.
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[13:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: which one did you get?
[13:38] <dmsuse> uno i think
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> the Pi circuit diagram.
[13:40] <dmsuse> k i have nothing to use with this :(
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> the arduino?
[13:40] <dmsuse> ye
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> connect it to the pi and see if it's visible on the dmesg output
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> if it's a new uno, it'll create a /dev/ttyACM0
[13:41] <Hourd> the uno r3 is nice
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> I'd like to know how it can take a new program downloaded into it without being reset...
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> is their magical new USB serial chip doing something clever?
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> All my other arduinos have the older ftdi chip and come up as /dev/ttyUSBx
[13:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: It auto-resets
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> but the uno I got last weekend is different.
[13:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I've got my colleagues duemilanove on my desk
[13:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Was trying to hook it up to the Pandora, but it doesn't have enough juice in its full-sized USB port
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> Ha. your right. Every time I connect up to it via minicom it auto-resets!
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> that's bonkers )-:
[13:44] <dmsuse> cat /dev/ttyACM0 eFree RAM: 1110 error: card.init failed!
[13:44] <dmsuse> ooo it works
[13:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Useful for beginners
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, Hm. I liked the old way of having to run a program to reset them. Oh well, that's progress, I guess.
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> although I understand the chip can now be programmed as a usb host device to drive e.g. a keyboard, etc.
[13:46] <Davespice> plugwash and Hexxeh, just to let you know, last night I installed the auto-build openttd package, and it seemed to come without the executable file, it did come with a little wrapper script though, which then warns you that it can't find the binary, so not sure if I have done something wrong or what
[13:46] <Davespice> I just did "apt-get install openttd" and let it install all the necessary sub packages
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> just worked out that the thing causing my remote X displayt (ssh -X) to be slow is that ssh is spending 95% cpu doing the encryption.
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> I've always wanted ssh to have a flag to turn off encryption.
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'll just do it the old fashioned way.
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[13:48] <teh_orph> ssh without the secure bit would just be sh
[13:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> remote X is nice :D only way I ever have a GUI running on my Pi
[13:49] <Hourd> Gadgetoid_mbp: forward the gui from to pi to somthing else, or use another systems gui forwarded to the pi?
[13:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hourd: from Pi to my desktop, for giggles, my Pi is headless
[13:49] <GabrialDestruir> I'm kind of surprised that there's no plugin or something (that I can find) to add PHP and such to XBMC
[13:50] <Hourd> i need to get wireless working on my pi =[
[13:50] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if there's a USB Phone Line Modem thing I could use with my pi
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> teh_orph, well there's rsh - however I like the authentication of ssh, but sometimes the encryption isn't needed.
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, to plug a phone into the Pi, or plug the Pi into a phone socket?
[13:51] <GabrialDestruir> Pi into a phone socket, so it could use caller Id and such.
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, either way, probably better off using an ATA via Ethernet...
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> There are some BIG solutions... but I don't know of any small 1-phone units.
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> xorcom makes bigger boxes...
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> one of my other hats is running a small VoIP company...
[13:54] <GabrialDestruir> Eh I don't necessarily want a PBX...
[13:54] <GabrialDestruir> Just the ability to grab caller ID from an incoming call.
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> olde fashinoed modem hooked to the serial port ;-)
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[13:55] <GabrialDestruir> Yea that could do the job xD
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> http://www.goodcom.cn/PRODUCT.asp?btype_id=9
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> now that looks like the device, but whether it's vapourware or not, or even accassible, who knows.
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[13:57] <GabrialDestruir> That looks like one of those old car phones xD
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[14:00] <gordonDrogon> ugh. clients. got one who wants to know why the 150m phone line they run 5 years ago won't now carry internet to the new building )-:
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> and they're very much against any sort of wireless )-:
[14:00] <chris_99> heh
[14:00] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> I think they spend too much time knitting their own yogurt.
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[14:01] <GabrialDestruir> Well wireless is a pretty horrible solution if they want security.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> oh it's great - I'd sell them a pair of 5.4GHz units - no issues there.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> but they won't have it.
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[14:02] <GabrialDestruir> They probably have one of those owners CEOs whatever that's like
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> it's a school.
[14:02] <GabrialDestruir> "TECHNOLOGY?!?!? WHO NEEDS IT?"
[14:02] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs
[14:02] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> think of the children.
[14:02] <GabrialDestruir> Right then it's the schoolboard
[14:02] <GabrialDestruir> or w/e
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> it's a Steiner school. Near Totnes. Just google TQ9 ...
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> and now another client had nuked their database and wants it restoring from backup. it's not a good day.
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[14:04] <GabrialDestruir> Restoring from a backup isn't complicated usually...
[14:04] <GabrialDestruir> just time consuming.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> easy in this case as it's yesterdays and on the same physical server.
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[14:07] <GabrialDestruir> Oh tsk tsk, bad backup habits xD
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[14:07] <gordonDrogon> not really. I always keep a copy of everything on the same server as well as proper backups on different servers. disk is cheap and it gives you a "get out of jail free" card for accidental deletion..
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[14:07] <IT_Sean> We do the same thing here.
[14:08] <GabrialDestruir> Oh well that's not so bad then.
[14:08] <IT_Sean> Backups to the same server incase someone deletes something they shouldn't, as well as cross backups to the adjacent servers, AND offsite tape backups as well
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> I started doing it way back when I was dumping to tape - rsync to the backup area, then dump that to tape.
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> I don't do tape these days - just differnet servers and off-sites (if the customer pays for that!)
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> (see earlier conversations about UPSs :)
[14:09] <IT_Sean> We still use tapes. :|
[14:10] <GabrialDestruir> The closest thing I've got to backup is Dropbox.... so I suppose I'm not really one to talk.
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[14:11] <gordonDrogon> I like googles idea of data in 3 places.
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[14:11] <astom> how is that idea?
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[14:11] <gordonDrogon> the idea is that they keep data in 3 physically different devices.
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> I've a funny feeling they stopped using raid too.
[14:11] <IT_Sean> I do: Server A backs up to Server B. Server B backs up to Server A, Servers A&B back up to Tape
[14:11] <astom> thay may have already implemented that
[14:12] <IT_Sean> Tapes get stored off site
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[14:12] <GabrialDestruir> I'm still waiting for the day of proper OS on the internet.... you login in you have all your computer access, all the processing happens on the servers, etc, all the gaming and everything is done there.
[14:12] <GabrialDestruir> It'll be a long time before that becomes reality though.
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> to the cloud! (batman :)
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I just dd everything into /dev/null
[14:12] <Davespice> 3 physically different locations is usually a good idea too, if the data is really important
[14:12] <IT_Sean> Erft... no. No thanks.
[14:13] <IT_Sean> I like having my processing occuring in a tall black box under my desk.
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> bandwidth is the key to it all.
[14:14] <GabrialDestruir> I have to admit I hate the idea too. Mostly because I wouldn't want to go from paying a few hundred dollars once for a computer, as opposed to a few bucks a month every month for the rest of my life.
[14:14] <Thorn_> thats racist
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[14:14] <gordonDrogon> and here in ruralistan, bandwidth costs money )-:
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[14:14] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, Australia or something?
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[14:14] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, Devon, UK!
[14:15] <GabrialDestruir> In ruralistan you're lucky if you have bandwidth at all.
[14:15] <nid0> what exchange?
[14:15] <IT_Sean> Not to mention, when you start having problems now, you open your computer up and have a poke 'round. With a distributed computing scheme, when it goes wrong you call india then wait a week for it to be fixed.
[14:15] <zgreg> isn't internet pretty crippled on purpose in australia?
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> nid0, me? I'm in Buckfastleigh.
[14:15] <GabrialDestruir> I don't think so.
[14:16] <nid0> bummer, thats a bad lack of llu operators there
[14:16] <zgreg> I also heard some strange things about censoring on the net in australia
[14:16] <ShiftPlusOne> zgreg, don't know... don't have anything to compare to.
[14:16] <GabrialDestruir> If we went to a completely serverbased computing scheme or w/e
[14:16] <GabrialDestruir> If it's done properly you could "theoretically" have it all on virtual computers or whatever.
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> nid0, I run a small ISP - I know what's avalable, I'm generalising for Devon - and most places out of London, really. Leased lines are expensive for SMEs.
[14:17] <zgreg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Australia#The_Internet
[14:17] <zgreg> wow
[14:17] <GabrialDestruir> and if a whole server crashed, you wouldn't be without for a week or more, because otherwise there'd be lawsuits galore.
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> bonkers really, I managed to get a deal for a local client - ?800 a month for 100Mb, but they wouln't go for it - Oh, ADSL is more then enough for us ...
[14:17] <GabrialDestruir> Until it isn't xD
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[14:18] <gordonDrogon> now they have lots of remote workers VPNing in... And complaining that their VoIP is bad and that getting files off the server is much worse than when they used dropbox...
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> ugh.
[14:18] <GabrialDestruir> and 100Mb what? cause that sounds overpriced .-.
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[14:18] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: 800 pound for that ARE overpriced though
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> 100Mb symetric 1:1 contention, delivered on fibre.
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[14:19] <zgreg> especially if you consider that many people are getting that for 1/10 of the price with FTTH access
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> I think it's a good price for a lease line product as opposed to a rubbish consumer level FTTP type product.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> FTTH is contended. leased lines aren't.
[14:19] <GabrialDestruir> Well symmetric does tend to cost more, but that still sounds seriously over priced.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> it's the going rate - actually it was a very good & special rate as I know the carrier.
[14:19] <nid0> compared to what?
[14:20] <shirro> zgreg: the internet is crippled in australia but not because of censorship. remoteness and lack of competition are the killers
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> In London it's much cheaper.
[14:20] <nid0> compared to going rate in the uk thats not a bad price at all
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> in the country side, it's much more expensive.
[14:20] <GabrialDestruir> I hate that about the internet.
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> this was Newton Abbot - a biggish town in Devon.
[14:20] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: yeah, ok, but often enough there are bottlenecks in the infrastructure so that doesn't matter so much
[14:20] <GabrialDestruir> Live somewhere populated and you can get Mb for dollars
[14:21] <GabrialDestruir> Live in the middle of nowhere
[14:21] <zgreg> shirro: the mandatory blocklist sounds rather extreme, though
[14:21] <GabrialDestruir> and the price jumps
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, I know that this particular carrier has no contention over their entire network... but yes, you don't know what happens at the end points.
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> it's crazy that BT still have a virtual monopoly on the last mile.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> however no-one else has money to dig the roads or run more copper/fibre.
[14:22] <chris_99> that's not BTs problem though
[14:22] <chris_99> is it
[14:22] <shirro> zgreg: yeah, it is bad we won't let that shit happen unlike the us and uk where the cameras watch your every move and you have to go through nudie scanners at the airport. we are still relatively free. piratebay not blocked here
[14:22] <Hopsy> hey I have a question, I would like to make a multiboot
[14:22] <GabrialDestruir> Mmm Sweet Sweet Monopoly
[14:22] <Hopsy> which OS should I install first?
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> not BTs problem directly, but it's in their own intersts to keep it that way and they employ a large number of lobbyists...
[14:23] <nid0> BT get a lot more stick than they deserve, if a monopoly's what it takes to actually get infrastructure laid then fantastic, more monopoly please.
[14:23] <nid0> and screw virgin
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, On the Pi? Get the standard Debian.
[14:23] <Hopsy> I would like to install, windows, lion x and ubuntu
[14:23] <Hopsy> no, on my pc :D
[14:23] <GabrialDestruir> WINDOWS?
[14:23] <GabrialDestruir> On Pi?
[14:23] <GabrialDestruir> Pssh
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> oh, PC. Well, same thing. Debian Linux :)
[14:23] <Hopsy> first debian linux?!
[14:24] <GabrialDestruir> Ya know
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> well it's what I use... :)
[14:24] <Hopsy> I thought windows always first
[14:24] <GabrialDestruir> I'm surprised that GPU virtualization doesn't exist yet.
[14:24] <shirro> gordonDrogon: what sort of Internet do you get in a village in the uk? cable, adsl, fibre?
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> don't really know anything else...
[14:24] <ant_thomas> Windows 7 First, Then Ubuntu
[14:24] <ant_thomas> Ubuntu will sort the bootloader out accordingly
[14:24] <nid0> shirro it depends on the village, at the moment its mostly adsl
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> shirro, typicall aDSL. speeds "up to" 8Mb, depending on distance. Very occasionally up to 24Mb.
[14:24] <ant_thomas> If you do Windows after Ubuntu it'll mean much more hassle
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> shirro, there is only one cable co. in the UK now (more or less) and they'r present in most cities and some bigger towns.
[14:25] <ant_thomas> I get about 17Mbit on an upto 24Mbit connection, which is fairly decent. Didn't realise how lucky I was until I started looking about moving house
[14:25] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: get a 16x2 LCD shield for the Arduino, for great success :D
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[14:25] <gordonDrogon> shirro, BT runs a wholesale operation which about 100 ISPs use (inc. BT retail) and there are now some independant ISPs with their kit in the BT exchanges using the BT copper, but their own DSLAMS and backhaul networks
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> ant_thomas, yea, funny how ADSL speeds are now part of the moving process!
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> I'm close enough to my exchange to get 8Mb - just. I also use a decent ISP with minimal contention inside their own network and pay a bit more for less contention in the BTW network.
[14:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: cheap and dodgy, I'm playing with one at the moment: http://www.sainsmart.com/sainsmart-1602-lcd-keypad-shield-for-arduino-duemilanove-uno-mega2560-mega1280.html
[14:27] <ant_thomas> Without a doubt, sadly high on my list of priorities...but mainly because I've been used to such a good connection over the past 5 or 6 years
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> ant_thomas, I moved from Bristol 10 years ago - I had cable then - 256Mb/sec (wow!) and I moved to a 3rd world county - no nothing.
[14:28] <ant_thomas> I could also get FTTC but far too many restrictions with traffic shaping
[14:28] <ant_thomas> Big move!!
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> I moved here and setup a community wifi project, then ran a commercial wifi broadband service.
[14:28] <shirro> sounds similar to aus. telstra have bulk of dslams. with others in most profitable markets. here in town of 4k in australia, 300km from a major city. adsl2+ <1k from exchange. 100MB fibre rollout in 2015 except luddite conservative party witl cancel it. Have to deal with >200ms ping to usa or 150ms to my tokyo linode. You guys have it good
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> shirro, it's geographic distances... we have the same but on a smaller scale when you move away from the cities.
[14:29] <shirro> will never get around the speed of light issues that come from being on the wrong side of this ball of rock
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> e.g. Bristol has 1 million people. Devon also has 1 million... But you can fit about 50 Bristols into the size of Devon.
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> shirro, what's your ping time to unicorn.drogon.net ?
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[14:31] <ant_thomas> I'm in a reasonably large town (Bury) which seems to get broadband roll outs very early in the process. The Initial enabling of ADSL at our exchange was very early compared to most of the country
[14:31] <shirro> gordonDrogon, averages a bit over 400ms
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> Devon is the 3rd biggst county in the UK. We have 8000 miles of road and 6000 bridges...
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> shirro, ouch )-:
[14:31] <chris_99> how easy is it to convert the Pi's 3.3V to 5V, the problem i'm wondering about, is there a way to sense which pins are inputs, and convert 5V->3.3V and vice versa for outputs
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, hard.
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, it would be easier to just know which pins your using and use level converters.
[14:32] <chris_99> is it even possible to tell if a pin is an input/output
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> probably not from the outside.
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/logic-level-converter-p-511.html
[14:33] <chris_99> ah, so that's fixed I/O pins
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> yes, setup for a task...
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[14:34] <gordonDrogon> occasionally you get sensors that wil run on either - the SHT15 temp/humidity sensor seems OK to take a 5V signal, although it's powered from 3.3v on my arduino. No problems on the Pi though.
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[14:35] <shirro> gordonDrogon: about 30ms to my ISP website. my connection is ok-ish adsl2. can't do much about the laws of physics. Australia is just in the wrong place. Nearest Amazon in singapore is still over 100ms away and 150ms for closest linode
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[14:36] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, for us, USA west coast is where it's at if we want to host something that's good enough for us and the rest of the world
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> shirro, ouch again. Most of the UK is < 20ms plus ADSL time.
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[14:37] <gordonDrogon> Hm. www.amazon.co.uk isn't pingable.
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> --- www-cctld.l.google.com ping statistics ---
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9013ms
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 16.562/16.739/17.062/0.174 ms
[14:37] <IT_Sean> You are right.
[14:37] <IT_Sean> Weeeigh
[14:37] <IT_Sean> *weeihd
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> that's from my home ADSL line.
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. heard a delivery van, but it's riverford not UPS )-:
[14:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> 123reg has a DNS explosion today, but I doubt Amazon would be affected by that :D
[14:38] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: waiting for your pi to arrive?
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, again? Still, they've been OK for a few years.
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, yes - well, my 2nd pi and a load of wireless kit from ciseco
[14:39] <IT_Sean> Ahh.
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[14:39] <gordonDrogon> farnell tells me it's shipped, but won't give me a tracking number...
[14:39] <IT_Sean> Those bastids!
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I have a biggish web design co, as a client who use 123reg...
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> their traffic graph is about normal, so maybe its' not affected them.
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[14:44] <tech2077> nfs boot makes things so much easier once it works
[14:44] <tech2077> i'm just wondering if i can ever get ssh up on them without using another usb-ethernet adapter
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo. posties just been - got the ciseco xrf kit - no pi yet though.
[14:45] <Slippern> damn i need a touchscreen.. anyone have one thats working? :P
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, do you need to do much to make nfs boot work - root=server:/path in /boot/cmdline.txt ?
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[14:46] <tech2077> my image that i was extracting the rootfs from had problems after copying it to a local directory
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[14:47] <tech2077> so i had to chroot into it with qemu and fix a few annoying things
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[14:53] <cornet> woo
[14:53] <cornet> my raspberry pi photo is now on the wikipedia page :D
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> url?
[14:55] <ShiftPlusOne> www.google.com
[14:55] <ShiftPlusOne> =p
[14:55] <GabrialDestruir> You know...
[14:55] <GabrialDestruir> The actor for Sherlock
[14:55] <ShiftPlusOne> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Raspberry_Pi_Photo.jpg
[14:55] <GabrialDestruir> would make a great Doctor Who
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> oh that wikipedia ...
[14:56] <zgreg> shirro: fortunately I don't live in the uk or us ;)
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> benedict cumberbatch ?
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> yes he would and I gather he was asked...
[14:57] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[14:57] <GabrialDestruir> He'd make an epic and very dark Doctor Who I imagine.
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[14:58] <Davespice> Can I join in the Dr Who convosation?
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> right that's the xrf shield on the arduino - guess I'd better read up on using it...
[14:58] <shirro> Perhaps the next Master
[14:58] <Davespice> I think the last few have been a bit too "cool" the Dr was always a bit of a wierdo in previous series'
[14:59] <GabrialDestruir> Oh apparently he has talked about being a Doctor
[14:59] <GabrialDestruir> but he decided not to try for the part.
[14:59] <Davespice> John Sim as the master was good I thought, he was quite menacing and scary :)
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[15:00] <Davespice> Cumberbatch would make a great Dr though
[15:00] <Davespice> I could see him getting Tom Baker status
[15:01] <shirro> john simm should regenerate into simon pegg - would be seemless, except pegg has been in the show in season 1
[15:01] <Davespice> who we all agree is the best Dr of all time right?
[15:01] <drazyltoo> Tom Baker?
[15:01] <shirro> There is no best doctor. There is just your doctor
[15:01] <shirro> It depends on your age
[15:01] <GabrialDestruir> I'm wondering how long it'll be before they address the issue of "The Doctor must end"
[15:01] <drazyltoo> altho John Pertwee was very good for different reasons
[15:02] <Davespice> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Doctor
[15:02] <GabrialDestruir> Baker was an awesome doctor.
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[15:02] <gordonDrogon> I started watching at the end of the Hartnell era...
[15:02] <shirro> I liked Pertwee's doctor as well. I liked that he was serious and lots of action. Tom Baker was too clownish at first but turned out to be brilliant. Then it went downhill
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> althouh I sort of stopped for a bit during the McCoy years...
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[15:03] <Davespice> yeah, all the kids these days worship David Tennant and have no knoweldge of the old Dr's
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[15:03] <drazyl> Pertwee was very good as a scientific doctor, Baker was awesome as the maverick rogue
[15:03] <GabrialDestruir> Gah....
[15:03] <shirro> Hartnell's acting annoys me. It looks like he can't remember his lines most of the time
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> he probably couldn't, :)
[15:04] <GabrialDestruir> This is gonna bug me until I figure it out.
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[15:04] <shirro> I wish more Troughton survived the bbc's vandalism
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> what is?
[15:04] <GabrialDestruir> End of Sherlock Season 2
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[15:04] <drazyl> chris ecclestone had huge potential as well
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[15:04] <gordonDrogon> ah. well. yes. that.
[15:04] <Davespice> I reckon Robert Carlyle would make a good Dr...
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> yes, I was hoping for a 2nd series of eclestone, but then who knows.
[15:05] <shirro> He was ok in SGU
[15:05] <Davespice> I've not watched SGU yet, thats the one where they are trapped on some ship?
[15:05] <Davespice> worth a watch would you say?
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> love it: [1307683.054591] cdc_acm 5-1.4:1.0: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is not a modem.
[15:06] <shirro> Davespice: When you have run out of everything else, yew. Dark cross between Voyager and SG
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> SGU?
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[15:06] <gordonDrogon> oh ,stargate universe?
[15:06] * Davespice nods
[15:06] <GabrialDestruir> SGU had huge potential...
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> I don't get any decent TV channels here, so probably miss a lot these days.
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[15:08] <Davespice> I'm watching Game of Thrones at the moment, epic :)
[15:09] <Davespice> HBO though... they can't make a show you could watch with your parents lol
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, what channel?
[15:09] <Davespice> Sky Atlantic
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> don't get that..
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> all I have is freesat...
[15:09] <GabrialDestruir> Now I'm going to be determined to solve this mystery before season 3 comes out .-.
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, the big question is... Is Moryati still alive?
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> because he was in the books after the first time he was "killed" ...
[15:10] <drazyl> moriarty
[15:10] <shirro> Moffat is just messing with you. Let it go. The resolution will be some hand wavy magic thing like a typical Doctor Who these days
[15:11] <shirro> Watson just needs to think about Sherlock real hard and he will come back
[15:11] <GabrialDestruir> Doubtful.
[15:12] <GabrialDestruir> There's no doubt that Sherlock is alive.
[15:12] <GabrialDestruir> They showed as much.
[15:12] <drazyl> Bobby dreamt it all
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[15:12] <GabrialDestruir> The question is how he survived.
[15:12] <shirro> Watson is stuck somewhere in Afghanistan high on opium dreaming the whole thing anyway
[15:13] <ReggieUK> watson? high on opium? surely not.....
[15:13] <ancker> Anyone have any leads (other than ebay) for picking up a Model B?
[15:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, yeah, Game of Thrones is awesome. Though I've noticed they end every episode with a 'cliffhanger' which doesn't go anywhere in the next episode, just barely mentioned.. like "oh yeah, and that happened, but it wasn't actually important)
[15:13] <GabrialDestruir> Watson isn't real.....
[15:13] <GabrialDestruir> A solider with a Sherlock Holmes fascination/obsession
[15:13] <GabrialDestruir> is shot
[15:14] <GabrialDestruir> and believes himself to be "Watson" and it's all a dream
[15:14] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[15:14] <drazyl> ancker I heard that RS or Farnell might have some
[15:14] <ancker> drazyl: Aren't those in the UK?
[15:14] <drazyl> in my case yes
[15:14] <Davespice> ShiftPlusOne: I know what you mean
[15:15] <Davespice> sometimes the plot can be hard to follow, its good if you watch several episodes in one sitting though
[15:15] <GabrialDestruir> Read the books.
[15:15] <tech2077> the next shipment for Farnel is august-september
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[15:15] <gordonDrogon> ok
[15:15] <tech2077> but they let you preorder with semi-assured ship date
[15:15] <tech2077> even if it's distant
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> wonder how I make these LEDs stop flashing...
[15:15] <GabrialDestruir> They give more details than the actual Game of Thrones series.
[15:16] <tech2077> gemu-arm-static + chroot is so useful
[15:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, I intend to watch it from the start once they are done with it. Or actually read the books as well.
[15:16] <Davespice> yeah one of my work collegues has read them and he keeps giving us spoilers, git
[15:16] <tech2077> i wish i new about this when i was working with my beaglebone
[15:16] <ShiftPlusOne> But yeah, I am clieless about half of the main characters O_o
[15:16] <tech2077> knew*
[15:16] <ShiftPlusOne> *clueless
[15:17] <GabrialDestruir> Well with the books you actually get a better insite into the characters
[15:17] <GabrialDestruir> how they think why they act how they act
[15:17] <GabrialDestruir> etc
[15:17] <Davespice> yeah, we all discuss it at work each week so between the lot of us we manage to follow what is going on
[15:17] <GabrialDestruir> insight*
[15:17] <Davespice> yeah that's true
[15:17] <Davespice> btw, has everyone seen the game of thrones tune being played on 8 floppy drives? if not... you must
[15:18] <Davespice> http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/17/eight-floppy-drives-recreate-the-theme-from-game-of-thrones/
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[15:20] <shirro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLcO2xbmtWs - doctor who theme
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[15:20] <GabrialDestruir> Heh.... he'd make a very elegant eccentric doctor....
[15:21] <GabrialDestruir> I could see him coming into play as the 12th or something
[15:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Nof floppies, but still awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYjuj3ggaKA
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[15:21] <cornet> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18163419 # the bbc just needs to stop reporting on technology
[15:22] <Davespice> cornet: yeah I have always thought their reports are written by people who are not technology people
[15:23] <ShiftPlusOne> still better than the news.com.au article on raspberry pi
[15:23] <Davespice> and they dumb everything down painfully
[15:23] <shirro> Nothing can be worse than news.com.au it is like 0K. You can't go lower.
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[15:26] <dmsuse> how come when companies try to copy products they always get it wrong
[15:27] <BenO> "Both new devices use the Android system, while the Pi runs Linux." er... I can understand why a journo would write that, but still.
[15:29] <friggle> BenO: it's not *that* bad. Sure they confuse Linux distributions with the Linux kernel, but plenty of others do that
[15:29] <Kekun> hello
[15:29] <nid0> seems reasonable to me
[15:31] <Kekun> I am looking for advices about using the raspberry pi as a begginer 2d game dev platform
[15:31] <passstab> mixing linux kernel with linux disto is reasonable
[15:31] <passstab> thats why some use "gnu/linux"
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> Kekun, look for the SDL libraries.
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[15:32] <nacimep> supermariowar is fun
[15:32] <nacimep> be cooler with network/multiplayer
[15:32] <GabrialDestruir> Okay....
[15:32] <Kekun> gordonDrogon: I read it is hard to use it without X (still I think that it's what I'll use)
[15:32] <GabrialDestruir> I'm going with big elaborate government conspiracy.
[15:33] <shirro> passstab: but I use mit/bsd/apache/gnu/linux
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[15:33] <friggle> Kekun: works on the framebuffer fine afaik
[15:33] <GabrialDestruir> Which is why there were Nurses and doctors already on the scenes seconds after his fall.
[15:33] <GabrialDestruir> -nods-
[15:33] <passstab> lol I don't say gnu/linux
[15:33] <passstab> only saying that is one reason to
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[15:34] <Kekun> friggle: I tried to launch frogatto on a separate TTY on my laptop while running X on another one, do yu think it failed because X was running on another tty ?
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[15:35] <passstab> the obvious problem is that the RPI is not android
[15:35] <friggle> permissions issues on /dev/fb0 is one possibility. Often you need root by default
[15:36] <Hourd> thats a rather odd statement
[15:36] <friggle> Kekun: maybe you need SDL_VIDEODRIVER=fbcon but I would have thought it would have tried that anyway when on a separate tty (where DISPLAY is not set)
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[15:36] <Davespice> thing is though, the Pi could run Android couldn't it? is there not enough RAM?
[15:37] <shirro> enough for an older version perhaps
[15:37] <passstab> maybe but it's not worth it
[15:37] <RaYmAn> it could run Froyo and possibly Gingerbread
[15:37] <passstab> but why?
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> Kekun, in theory you can run SDL apps. without X. And I do it for my own Apps.
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> Kekun, however I've had some issues on the Pi, but I've successfully done it over the composite output but not hdmi - yet.
[15:38] <RaYmAn> passstab: with this kind of thing, it's more of a "why not?" ;)
[15:38] <Davespice> passstab: just making the point that the journo got it wrong
[15:39] <passstab> Davespice, i know
[15:39] <Davespice> personally I would prefer Linux to Android, Android is quite constraining
[15:39] <passstab> RaYmAn, ^what he said^
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[15:40] <passstab> i like doing things for the sake of it
[15:40] <passstab> but only when they are Free
[15:40] <Davespice> Journalists just want to get as many buzz words into their articles as possible, they'd get "cloud" in there too if the could somehow
[15:40] * hamitron has a list of stuff to keep passstab busy, if he is struggling to find something to do
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[15:42] <passstab> mainstream journalists are about as bad at technology as techies are at public policy
[15:42] <passstab> hamitron, shoot
[15:42] <Davespice> probably because techies generally disdain the public :)
[15:43] <passstab> lol i do
[15:43] <hamitron> you will really do my work for me? :D it is free and I wouldn't charge you
[15:43] <passstab> (in all sincerity)
[15:43] <Davespice> lets me honest, 90% of them are morons :)
[15:44] <passstab> agreed :)
[15:44] <Davespice> and maybe the Pi might un-moron-ify some of them??? :)
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[15:44] <hamitron> after reading the first release of that online R-pi mag
[15:44] <hamitron> my hopes have kinda dropped :/
[15:46] <shirro> passstab: there are "geeks" working as policy advisors, just not enough. and policy suffers as a result
[15:46] <passstab> shirro, agreed
[15:46] <Hourd> hamitron: why?
[15:46] <passstab> i listen to TCLP also :)
[15:47] <hamitron> Hourd, felt more like an introduction to Linux and R-pi for beginners
[15:47] <Hourd> oh
[15:47] <passstab> why is that a bad thing?
[15:47] <Hourd> seems fine to me
[15:47] <Hourd> is it not for beginners?
[15:48] <hamitron> it just felt like a major letdown to me, expected something more meaty in there also
[15:48] <hamitron> :)
[15:48] <Hourd> for the first issue?
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[15:48] <hamitron> yes
[15:48] <Hourd> surely they will build up?
[15:48] <passstab> i thought your comment was in relation to Davespice's
[15:49] <hamitron> I just feel you need separate sections in a mag, to provide something for everyone
[15:49] <passstab> those who want meat can find it online
[15:49] <Hourd> yeah i suppose
[15:49] <Davespice> I might be getting some published in that
[15:49] <Hourd> meatspin? o.O
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[15:50] <shirro> the whole idea of a magazine is very retro. it is a bit of an 80s revival thing I think
[15:51] <passstab> only interesting to me if it's in print
[15:51] <hamitron> I subscribed to Linux Format for years for example.... and it seemed to reduce the proper hardcore material, and moved to guiding new users how to install a distro every few issues
[15:51] <hamitron> so I lost interest
[15:51] <hamitron> :)
[15:51] <passstab> i hate lxf
[15:51] <hamitron> spend the ?60 per year that that cost on books now
[15:51] <passstab> too much "humor"
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[15:53] <passstab> (anyone who reads it knows what i'm talking about)
[15:53] <shirro> I haven't bought a computer magazine for years. I am surprised they still make them
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[15:53] <hamitron> heck, beginners guides aren't even needed so much now.... they rarely tell you about partitioning properly
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[15:54] * Hourd keeps playing with the idea of subsrcibing to LXF
[15:54] <passstab> don't
[15:54] <Hourd> yeah i have not
[15:54] <passstab> get one of the others
[15:54] <Hourd> i do purchase is from time to time though
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[15:54] <hamitron> or buy full books on the subjects you want to learn
[15:54] <hamitron> :)
[15:55] <Hourd> or that
[15:55] <hamitron> or send me cash
[15:55] <hamitron> ;D
[15:55] <Hourd> i'm good, short on that myself
[15:55] <passstab> get linux pro
[15:55] * Hourd is going back to being a student in a couple of months
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> right. time for lunch and another batch of 50 scones to make...
[15:55] <hamitron> passstab, it have a dvd?
[15:56] <passstab> yea
[15:56] <hamitron> how much?
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> fruit scones today. yesterday was plain ones, tomorow cheese scones.
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> need 150 scones... :)
[15:56] <hamitron> I do miss something to read when "busy"
[15:56] <passstab> dvd and non dvd editions
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[15:58] <shirro> gordonDrogon: what, no pumpkin scones?
[15:58] <IT_Sean> Two questions: 1) why do you need 150 scones, and 2) can i eat the ones that don't come out right? :p
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[15:59] <hamitron> "right"? ;/
[15:59] <passstab> also linux user and developer is good
[16:01] <hamitron> the others I've seen look really thin
[16:01] <hamitron> so not tried them
[16:01] <hamitron> but I'd changed to buying the odd book
[16:01] <hamitron> and never go anywhere that sells linux mags anyway
[16:02] <shirro> import magazines are ridiculously overpriced here. It is cheaper to buy a good book
[16:03] <hamitron> I think books are better anyway
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[16:04] <hamitron> they look good once you have a few bookshelves full
[16:04] <hamitron> ;)
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[16:04] <shirro> I am not buying as many books anymore either. I thought I would be buying a lot ore with the Kindle but the range is limited here
[16:05] <hamitron> oh, never bought an electronic book
[16:05] <passstab> uaghh ebooks
[16:05] <mkopack> Anybody who's' waiting to order want my slot with RS? I already bought one from them and I just got email saying it's time to order...
[16:05] <dmsuse> sure
[16:06] <mkopack> dmsuse: do you need it? Already have a Pi or no?
[16:06] <hamitron> you have to book a slot to place an order? :-o
[16:06] <dmsuse> nah i have one :P
[16:06] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: !! here's your chance!
[16:06] <mkopack> rather it go to somebody who still hasn't been able to get one
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[16:06] <hamitron> I may order one if nobody is missing one
[16:07] <mkopack> IT_Sean: you want my slot? I can PM you the reg slot 1-time code
[16:07] <IT_Sean> Ack! Was afk, sorry.
[16:07] <shirro> mkopack: there is still a chance someone will grab it and ebay it
[16:07] <teh_orph> isn't it bound to your email address too?
[16:07] <IT_Sean> I was just about to ask that.
[16:07] <mkopack> I didn't think so...
[16:07] <teh_orph> maybe just forward on all emails...
[16:07] <mkopack> But if it is I'll just fwd the messages to you
[16:07] <mkopack> I already have 1 from RS and have 2 on the way from Newark, so I really don't need another
[16:07] <IT_Sean> I'll pass... not comfortable using someone else's code.
[16:08] <mkopack> Ok, fair eough
[16:08] <hamitron> what is the waiting time for a fresh order now?
[16:08] <dmsuse> 5 months or more
[16:08] <Hourd> q2 2014
[16:08] <mkopack> (So much for the whole 1 per person???LOL)
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[16:08] <Hourd> mkopack: yeah how did you manage 2 from newark?
[16:09] <mkopack> Ah, looks like this one went to one of my other email addresses
[16:09] <Hourd> lol
[16:09] <mkopack> Hourd: I put one order in on the 29th of Fed. And then another on the 2nd of March
[16:09] <mkopack> I suspect they were only checking for >1 in a single order
[16:09] <Hourd> hmmm it should get picked up...
[16:09] <Hourd> or they are silly
[16:10] <mkopack> Well, at this point, even if only 1 comes I am fine. Haven't really had time to do anything with the 1 I have already, nor the Pandaboard I bought in March
[16:10] <hamitron> that is what worries me
[16:10] <mkopack> Ok, well, going...
[16:10] <mkopack> going....
[16:10] <hamitron> getting it, and not using it
[16:10] <mkopack> gone??? deleting the email...
[16:11] <hamitron> but meaning someone else doesn't get one
[16:11] <hamitron> :/
[16:11] <mkopack> hamitron: Well, for me it's been a case of being busy with work and grad school??? Getting down to the end of the qtr and needing to finish up a couple assignments. Can't wait to be done.
[16:11] <hamitron> yeh
[16:11] <hamitron> I got work commitments
[16:11] <hamitron> :/
[16:12] <hamitron> anytime I "chill", I just veg out rather than doing tech stuff atm
[16:12] * Hourd spends ??26 on a rpi, then spends ??900 on a 3d printer to print it a case
[16:12] <Hourd> logic++
[16:12] <hamitron> :D
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[16:13] <beardface> just bought a woot monitor for my pi, http://sellout.woot.com/
[16:14] <beardface> 124 (shipped) for 23" 1080P 50000000:1 contrast
[16:14] <beardface> going to wall mount that sucker and put the pi behind it i think
[16:14] <teh_orph> I like the cool story about resolution
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[16:19] <steffen-> just ordered my pi :)
[16:19] <Hourd> woop woop
[16:19] <rm> Condition: Refurbished
[16:20] <ShiftPlusOne> wtf.... not a good time to tune into nasa tv O_o
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[16:22] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne: ???
[16:22] <mkopack> Why? What's wrong?
[16:22] <mkopack> What's happening?
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[16:22] <IT_Sean> !!!???
[16:22] <mkopack> Problems with Dragon? Or ISS?
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[16:22] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, no, different kind of wrong.
[16:22] <IT_Sean> ooh... whew.
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[16:23] <mkopack> Oh WTF?!?! Just bought up the feed??? WTF is this crap?!?!
[16:23] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah... that.
[16:23] <teh_orph> haha
[16:23] <IT_Sean> what!? What's going on!?
[16:23] <mkopack> Is this NASA's attempt at trying to be cool? Because it's LAME
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[16:23] <teh_orph> some dancers throwing some shapes
[16:23] <IT_Sean> oh
[16:23] <IT_Sean> dafuq?
[16:24] <veryevil> link?
[16:24] <ShiftPlusOne> if it's not over yet http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[16:24] <mkopack> I HATE when NASA gets forced to do educational outreach crap like this??? and then congress complains about the budget!
[16:24] <mkopack> Some sort of kids program
[16:24] <teh_orph> it's how the astronauts keep fit
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[16:25] <teh_orph> they get their exercise dvds broadcast from the ground
[16:25] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[16:25] <IT_Sean> I thought the feed got switched to the toiletcam again, or something.
[16:25] <teh_orph> yeah I was hoping for some nudity
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[16:26] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[16:26] * IT_Sean unbends a paperclip and resets ShiftPlusOne
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[16:26] <ShiftPlusOne> paperclips? be a man and use a stapler!
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[16:27] <ShiftPlusOne> well not for this
[16:27] <Davespice> omg Nasa has its on tv channel :(___)
[16:28] <mkopack> I was thinking they got the Sat feed crossed with Disney channel
[16:28] <ShiftPlusOne> yes... and it's normally interesting to tune into....I don't know what the hell is going on right now though
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[16:29] <Davespice> the Meteor song :)
[16:29] <Davespice> makes me think of that "they might be giants" song... what was it called... The Sun I think
[16:29] <mkopack> SpaceX really needs to work on their communications with the public.
[16:29] <mkopack> But then, as a private company, they don't have to give out as much as NASA does
[16:29] <beardface> WTF IS NASA DOING
[16:30] <beardface> are any kids actually watching nasatv at 9:30?
[16:30] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, what's wrong with SpaceX's communications?
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[16:30] <mkopack> But it's just really annoying how there's a mission going on right now and how little info about what's going on during it is coming out
[16:30] <ShiftPlusOne> beardface, well, there are kids outside of your timezone.
[16:30] <beardface> WHAT?
[16:32] <Davespice> omg... must think of new acronym for NASA...
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[16:33] <Davespice> National Absurdity Slapstick Association??????
[16:33] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, maybe it's just that not much is actually happening yet. I am sure they will broadcast the docking and keep people posted how how the tests are coming along.
[16:35] <astom> how much does a space baloon cost?
[16:35] <mkopack> Sure??? but just like, they were saying in the post launch briefing that the next big event was the nav system door + capture fixture deploying and it was supposed to happen not long after the briefing ended. I hunted most of the day before I found any info on whether it was successful or not...
[16:36] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
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[16:37] <beardface> docking isn't for 3 days though right?
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[16:39] <ahven> saturday
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[16:39] <IT_Sean> Davespice: Needs Another Seven Astronauts?
[16:40] <beardface> Never Another Shuttle Approach
[16:40] * Davespice grins :)
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[16:40] <Davespice> I'm watching the ISS feed right now, they seem to be up to something
[16:40] <beardface> link
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> where's the ISS feed?
[16:40] <Davespice> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/iss_ustream.html
[16:41] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[16:41] <Davespice> looks like they're getting the docking arm ready
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[16:41] <astom> could somebody check this PKGBUILD out? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=59458
[16:42] <IT_Sean> that one is a bit depressing, beardface :(
[16:42] <beardface> agreed
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[16:42] * IT_Sean never did ever get around to seeing a shuttle launch in person :(
[16:42] <Davespice> yeah me neither, one of my mates went over to watch it
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> jesus... the nasa tv thing is still going
[16:43] <Davespice> I watched it on TV at 1 am in my hotel room though, was in Tokyo at the time
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[16:45] <Davespice> you know, it would be cool to have the Pi play back that cam feed, then I could always leave it on
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[16:46] <Davespice> I would presume you would need a ustream client ported...
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[16:47] <Davespice> seems only radio comms are going to the camera feed, can't hear what they're talking about
[16:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Any idea what's actually going on?
[16:48] <mkopack> Yeah, there's a public and a private audio loop??? They must be on the private (aka, the one they talk about the aliens on)
[16:48] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[16:50] <piless_> mkopack: seti?
[16:51] <mkopack> hehe, nah
[16:53] <piless_> who else is selling cases other than modmypi?
[16:55] <IT_Sean> lots of people now.
[16:55] <IT_Sean> check fleebay
[16:55] <Iota> Gary Connery successfully landed his wingsuit without a parachute.
[16:55] <Iota> http://www.itv.com/news/story/2012-05-23/stuntman-gary-connery-plans-to-make-aviation-history-by-first-skydiver-to-land-without-a-parachute/
[16:55] <beardface> piless_: I can print cases if you have a design you want
[16:56] <piless_> beardface: I don't really want to pay for a case that's going to cost as much as the pi itself
[16:56] <beardface> well then you should wait for mass cases
[16:56] <beardface> custom 3d printed cases are slow
[16:56] <beardface> you pay for time, not material
[16:56] <dmsuse> i got the case with a breadboard attached
[16:56] <des2> Or use the ductape and cardboard case design.
[16:57] * Nemo7_ is now known as Nemo7
[16:57] <des2> Actually there have been a few people that landed without working parachuttes. Some even lived.
[16:57] <piless_> these acrylic ones with the intergrated breadboard look cool
[16:58] <dmsuse> i heard of someone that landed 1 meter from a bunch of broken glass and lived :P
[16:59] <des2> The key seems to be to land in a sort of mud.
[16:59] <Iota> des2: Please find me a couple sources.
[16:59] <Iota> I'm refering specifically to the sport of Skydiving. Freak accidents are not of my interest.
[16:59] <beardface> http://rpicases.blogspot.com <- My print shop
[17:00] <des2> Well they had parachuttes they just didn't work.
[17:00] <mkopack> beard: do you have a picture of the case anywhere on there?
[17:02] <ShiftPlusOne> beardface, refuses to load
[17:02] <beardface> mkopack: no, i haven't printed one
[17:02] <beardface> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:23430
[17:02] <Iota> As a skydiver, I'm afraid I'm going to have to dismiss your claims. You're probably refering to stories where their main had malfunctioned and they deployed the reserve. Even if it wasn't fully inflated or entangled with their main, it would not compare to this stunt.
[17:02] <beardface> but its basically that
[17:02] <ShiftPlusOne> wait no, there it goes
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[17:02] <beardface> I can print in silver or yellow
[17:02] <beardface> have other colors, but don't want to open them (blue, yellow, orange)
[17:02] <beardface> *blue, white, orange
[17:02] <piless_> they come off with a horrid texture though
[17:03] <beardface> eh, mine look better than that
[17:03] <beardface> but, they aren't like glass
[17:03] <beardface> hold on, i'll show you one of my prints
[17:03] <piless_> it looks like it was printed with duct tape
[17:03] <piless_> http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/2b/7a/b8/d5/ca/IMG_0314_display_medium.jpg
[17:03] <IT_Sean> Will the material take to being sanded smooth & painted?
[17:04] <ShiftPlusOne> ah... the iss thing going on is just training for the Dragon capture
[17:04] <beardface> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-358zIVMop3g/T3mm-P8GjBI/AAAAAAAAG8s/1Mnc8NoPqxQ/s508/20120402_081718.jpg
[17:04] <beardface> ^^ my print
[17:04] <piless_> IT_Sean: What happened to your wooden one?
[17:04] <IT_Sean> Haven't made it yet.
[17:04] <des2> http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/ffresearch.html
[17:04] <beardface> IT_Sean, it sands and paints ok
[17:04] <beardface> but acetone is better then sandpaper for a glassy finish
[17:04] <IT_Sean> ahh
[17:05] <ShiftPlusOne> air vents are a nice touch
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[17:05] <Iota> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IRC_b4g7Sg
[17:05] <IT_Sean> pi doesn't really need air vents tho
[17:06] <des2> Yeah I'm convinced you don't need any ait holes.
[17:06] <des2> air
[17:06] <piless_> IT_Sean: I think he does it so he uses less material
[17:06] <des2> Apparently they did extensive testing with no ventilation.
[17:06] <IT_Sean> ahhh
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[17:07] <IT_Sean> my wooden case will have no vents, save for perhaps a little space around the ports.
[17:07] <piless_> beardface: you should offer a painting service like with the pi models
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[17:07] <beardface> eh, i'm not uber artistic
[17:08] <beardface> plus, it wouldn't be worth the time it took to paint them
[17:08] * IT_Sean is good with wood. Hence the wooden case plan.
[17:08] <ShiftPlusOne> can't just spray them from a can?
[17:08] <beardface> Wood would be purty
[17:08] <beardface> that would work too
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[17:09] <beardface> once my pi finally arrives (ship date _says_ may 29th), I'll make a case and post pics
[17:09] <beardface> if anyone wants one after seeing mine, I'll print them one
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[17:10] * IT_Sean does not plan to mass produce his wooden case
[17:10] <beardface> I'm also not going to mass produce
[17:10] <beardface> but i'll do a few cases for people (like my brother)
[17:10] <IT_Sean> I'm planning to have the raspi and a powered USB hub in the same case, with all ports relocated to the rear, and possibly a character LCD on the front.
[17:11] <beardface> :) same here
[17:11] <beardface> -LCD
[17:11] <des2> Pity all the connectors aren't on the same side.
[17:11] <beardface> already bought the hub
[17:12] <IT_Sean> Going to add a power switch, too, just for the hell of it.
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[17:15] <piless_> IT_Sean: Give it a big red reset button aswell
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[17:15] <IT_Sean> I don't think so.
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[17:15] <IT_Sean> wouldn't look right.
[17:16] <piless_> IT_Sean: One of those, http://rpgsobs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/button.jpg
[17:16] <mkopack> Beard: Let me check the clearance on my Slice of Pi board once it's attached. If it looks like both will fit into your case, I might be interested in getting one of your cases
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[17:17] <IT_Sean> I have a simmilar button already. 12v, pull on push off, illuminated. Not going to use it on the picase, tho
[17:17] <beardface> mkopack: otherwise just design it in google sketchup
[17:17] <beardface> and i'll print it
[17:17] <mkopack> I also brought home a couple old removable HD cages from the office??? a 5.25" and a 3.5" one??? might try to use those
[17:17] <IT_Sean> There will be no reset button.
[17:17] <IT_Sean> Reset = switch off, then switch on :p
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[17:18] <mkopack> Beard: well, it's just a question of the vertical height whether the Slice of pie + Xbee once plugged in are lower than the ethernet jack's top
[17:18] <piless_> mkopack: If you get one of these acrylic cases with the open sides then you would only have to change the size of the screws to fit in a shield
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[17:18] <beardface> makes sense
[17:18] <beardface> mkopacK: you can work from this sketchup: http://www.thingiverse.com/download:71365
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[17:19] <mkopack> Sweet, just got email from Newark. My 1st RPi from them just shipped
[17:20] <beardface> lucky
[17:20] <hotwings> nice mkopack
[17:20] <mkopack> Means I should get it either Friday or Tuesday (monday is holiday here)
[17:20] <hotwings> mine supposedly will ship on the 29th
[17:20] <piless_> Mine shipped from farnell uk yesterday
[17:20] <mkopack> hot: Bet you'll get it before then??? that's what mine had said as well
[17:20] <des2> Congrats mkopack.
[17:20] <piless_> RS sent me a ready to order email at the same time. I smell a conspiracy
[17:21] <beardface> I never got an email from them telling me to pay
[17:21] <mkopack> piless: it means they've both started getting their high production stock in??? I think there's going to be a tidal wave of people getting theirs in the next months
[17:21] <piless_> beardface: farnell uk billed me when they shipped it
[17:21] <beardface> ok; cool
[17:22] <des2> I wonder if all 100,000 people will followthough.
[17:22] <des2> Or will some people bail.
[17:22] <piless_> des2: lots have bailed already
[17:22] <piless_> des2: More than half I think
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[17:23] <beardface> I considered bailing 10 times
[17:23] <beardface> its so cheap though i'd always just say oh well and keep it on the back-burner
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[17:24] <piless_> beardface: Yeah, the one postive about the pi at the moment is the huge amount of community support it's going to have compared to similar devices
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[17:25] <beardface> yeah
[17:25] <beardface> I'm really looking forward to my pi project
[17:26] <beardface> I'm going to embed the pi in the 3d printer I'm building now, so the printer just plugs into a monitor and a wall outlet
[17:26] <piless_> What happened to the guy who was going to intergrate it into a wifi router?
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[17:27] <beardface> can't beleive raspberry pi's are still 100+ on ebay
[17:27] <beardface> thought it would be flooded by now
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[17:28] <dmsuse> ^^
[17:28] <Hourd> beardface: damn you! thats what i am doing with mine :P
[17:28] <hotwings> there hasnt been a flood of people receiving rpi yet so there wouldnt be a flood on ebay
[17:28] <beardface> Hourd: Awesome :)
[17:29] <beardface> what kind of printer?
[17:29] <Hourd> and use it to make the 'printing experiece' a little mor euser friendly
[17:29] <Hourd> thinking of a felix
[17:30] <beardface> looks like a bokubot
[17:30] <beardface> or bokubot looks like a felix
[17:30] <beardface> either way, i like makerslide, i sort of wish I'd used that on my next printer
[17:30] <beardface> I have 2 prusa's
[17:31] <Hourd> oh i havn't got one yet. felix will be my first :)
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[17:31] <beardface> how much is it?
[17:31] <beardface> for a kit
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[17:32] <GabrialDestruir> The Pi can't handle DTS audio?
[17:32] <PhonicUK> my Pi has shipped! Woo!
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[17:34] <GabrialDestruir> Just downloaded Neverland and can't play it cause the audio is dts .-.
[17:34] <GabrialDestruir> Or well
[17:34] <GabrialDestruir> it plays
[17:34] <GabrialDestruir> just without sound.
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[17:37] <traeak> anyone here have a license to jagged alliance 2 game data ?
[17:37] <traeak> and have an rpi that is
[17:37] <traeak> considering i don't have one and maybe wont ever get one
[17:37] <GabrialDestruir> Eh well this sucks. lol
[17:37] <traeak> (but i do have a mele a1000 and am getting stuff done on that)
[17:38] <Hourd> beardface: like ??880
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[17:38] <beardface> yikes
[17:38] <GabrialDestruir> If I try watching this movie without DTS passthrough, it causes the movie to stop every few seconds to decode audio. lol
[17:39] <Hourd> beardface: yeah its a bit pricey but its my first one, looks easier to build, apparently is quieter and more sturdy than most reprap style models
[17:39] <Hourd> also it has a rather large build area or 200mm x 200mm x 260mm
[17:39] <Hourd> of*
[17:40] <beardface> have you looked at the solidoodle?
[17:40] <beardface> if easy is what you're going for
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[17:40] <traeak> GabrialDestruir: neverland has source or ?
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[17:40] <GabrialDestruir> Source?
[17:41] <traeak> said you are playing it...on an rpi ?
[17:41] <fALSO> gabrialdestruir, youre portuguese ?
[17:41] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[17:41] <GabrialDestruir> no
[17:41] <fALSO> i was just asking because : Destruir is portuguese for Destroying
[17:41] <fALSO> hehe
[17:42] <traeak> GabrialDestruir: so neverland runs on rpi ? only saw it has a winders client
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[17:42] <GabrialDestruir> Neverland
[17:42] <GabrialDestruir> Tv Miniseries
[17:43] <traeak> GabrialDestruir: neverland was also michael jackson's place of wierdness
[17:43] <GabrialDestruir> http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=249004&lid=7
[17:43] <traeak> GabrialDestruir: http://www.onrpg.com/MMO/Neverland-Online
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[17:44] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[17:44] <GabrialDestruir> Well I meant the TV Series I had just downloaded with DTS sound which makes playback on the Pi with my tv impossible
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[17:51] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, pong
[17:52] <IT_Sean> ping?
[17:53] <mkopack> Oh, since you guys were talking about 3D printers, you see that guy that's working on getting Nylon to work in his?
[17:53] <mkopack> so he can make flexible parts and gears that don't require lubrication
[17:55] <beardface> yeah, nylon filament is pretty awesome
[17:55] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, any chance you could throw this into the main repo? http://xecdesign.com/downloads/XECLoader/linux-3.1.10-602-RPi_kexec_support.patch
[17:55] <mkopack> http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/3d-printing-nylon-extrusion/
[17:55] <mkopack> There was also his story about a Via $49 RPi competitor: http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/via-technologies-outs-49-apc-android-barebones/
[17:56] <mkopack> Only 720 graphics though
[17:56] <mkopack> 512MB RAM, 2GB flash onboard, HDMI, VGA, 4 USB, audio in/out, microSD + ethernet and they put all the connectors on 1 side
[17:56] <mkopack> GPU wise it's probably pathetic
[17:57] <esotera> hasn't actually been produced yet though
[17:57] <mkopack> true, but then neither had the Rpi until a couple weeks ago :)
[17:57] <mkopack> anyhow, heading to a meeting. Later!
[17:57] <traeak> mkopack: why would you take via seriously? overpriced hunk of junk unknown video chipset. if it's chrome or something there's no hope of ever seeing it work ever
[17:58] <traeak> 13.5W under load, wierd power supply...yuk yuk yuk
[17:58] <GabrialDestruir> It's really surprising the differences between "Translation Subs" and "Dubbed Audio" for Anime
[17:58] <Hourd> beardface: yeah i wasn't so keen on the solidoodle, plus the build area is significantly smaller
[17:58] <beardface> yeah
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[17:59] <traeak> mkopack: just wait for 50USD allwinner a10 based set top boxes to start going on sale
[17:59] <traeak> dramatically more capable than this via garbage
[17:59] <lee> when does that happen?
[18:00] <traeak> lee: that was for me?
[18:00] <lee> yes
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[18:01] <traeak> wait a sec have to chase down links
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[18:01] <traeak> http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/561021330/TV_box_Android_IP_TV_set.html
[18:01] <traeak> that's in bulk though with shipping from hong kong
[18:01] <lee> I initially had in mind RPi for workstations but the RAM is a problem, those VIA machines looked like a better bet (also VGA)
[18:01] <traeak> so not exactly "go and buy for 45USD shipped
[18:02] <traeak> and no SATA broken out on this (sad, sad)
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[18:03] <lee> still, interesting
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[18:04] <traeak> i have a mele a1000
[18:04] <traeak> just runs framebuffer though
[18:05] <traeak> for now...gathering drivers, trying to sort out licensing on stuff
[18:05] <traeak> lima driver is advancing fast, they have the vertex and fragment shaders reverse engineered and are now writing compilers for use with mesa
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[18:06] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently the CPU usage required to decode DTS is more than a Pi + XBMC is capable of providing.
[18:07] <piless> which xbmc?
[18:07] <GabrialDestruir> OpenELEC
[18:07] <piless> how is openelec?
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[18:08] <GabrialDestruir> It's good, mostly stable, though I've had issues with random crashing.
[18:09] <Hourd> my debian media server has decided to not be able to run videos at more the 0.2fps so my pi is standing in for it...
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[18:10] <GabrialDestruir> The only real issue I've ran into is sometimes it'll randomly crash, the Videos slow down if I try to use the GUI while it's playing...
[18:11] <GabrialDestruir> and now the DTS issue.
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[18:12] <mudah> I just got my invite to order, somewhat of a noob, can anyone answer a quick question on power supply for me?
[18:12] <piless> does it have compatability with bluetooth/wifi remotes?
[18:12] <piless> mudah: any micro usb phone charger should do
[18:12] <GabrialDestruir> Not sure about bluetooth, but I've been using an android remote with it
[18:12] <mudah> awesome, exactly what I was wondering
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[18:13] <mudah> so US iphone USB wall plug would work?
[18:13] <GabrialDestruir> It should, yes.
[18:13] <Hourd> mudah: with a micro usb cable yes
[18:13] <mudah> thanks so much!
[18:13] <mudah> hourd: right.
[18:13] <GabrialDestruir> Then again, considering it's apple who knows.
[18:13] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[18:13] <mudah> so true
[18:14] <piless> mudah: That's the wonderful thing about the standardisation of phone chargers with the usb spec
[18:14] <Hourd> hehe it does work. (had to use my girlfriends)
[18:14] <mudah> gotta love Europe
[18:14] <mudah> why the fuck can't the US get its shit in line
[18:14] <mudah> sorry, didn't mean to swear
[18:14] <Hourd> Europe is indeed awesome
[18:14] <IT_Sean> Why did they have to choose Micro USB for the standard, when before they annouanced the standard, nearly everything had MINI USB!?
[18:14] <Hourd> apart from greece
[18:14] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Which android app? I love unifed remote on android.
[18:14] <Hourd> IT_Sean: because mini usb is a bit large for phones
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[18:15] <GabrialDestruir> XBMC Official Remote App
[18:15] <IT_Sean> BAH!
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[18:15] <GabrialDestruir> No Unified Remote for Linux
[18:15] * PiBot sets mode +v smw
[18:15] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[18:15] <Hourd> IT_Sean: :P unless you own a hero, then it is mini usb
[18:15] <piless> IT_Sean: micro usb is rated for much more insertions
[18:15] <IT_Sean> Kinky!
[18:15] <Hourd> oo eerrrr
[18:15] <Hourd> ;)
[18:15] <piless> IT_Sean: Because the spring is in the plug and not the socket
[18:16] <IT_Sean> I see.
[18:16] <Hourd> bouncy
[18:16] <piless> It it breaks you can just replace a cable, but it's quite a bit harder to replace a usb slot
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[18:16] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[18:17] <GabrialDestruir> I need a free conveter that'll allow me to convert a video from mkv to mkv while changing only the audio codecs
[18:17] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[18:17] <GabrialDestruir> Any suggestions?
[18:17] <DaQatz> ffmpeg should do it
[18:17] <piless> usb is rated for 1,500 insertions, 5000 for mini usb and micro-usb 10,000
[18:18] <piless> GabrialDestruir: mkv is just a container..
[18:18] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[18:19] <DaQatz> Yeah, which is why he doesn't need to touch the video data.
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[18:19] <GabrialDestruir> Yep only the audio, just have to figure out how exactly.
[18:19] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[18:19] <piless> 1,500 doesn't really seem like a lot when you think about it. Some of my laptop usb connectors are starting to get a bit loose.
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[18:19] <Meatballs> Your Farnell Order Has Been Shipped. Your Reference: 03/03/2012 13:39, Our Reference: 16548427
[18:19] <Meatballs> \o/
[18:19] <GabrialDestruir> Go the Mac way.
[18:19] <IT_Sean> piless: but the big USB sockets are easier to de/resolder
[18:20] <Meatballs> maybe I shouldn't have publically disclosed my order ref
[18:20] <DaQatz> GabrialDestruir: re-encoding and muxing actual is not a simple task.
[18:20] <Meatballs> ><
[18:20] <GabrialDestruir> Magnetic Power Plug things.
[18:20] <GabrialDestruir> Just slips over the port and voila power.
[18:20] * IT_Sean redirects Meatballs' raspi to himself
[18:20] <piless> IT_Sean: They aren't designed to be resoldered, the consumer is meant to leave them alone. Look what happened to danieldaniel.
[18:21] <IT_Sean> danieldaniel was a dingleberry
[18:21] <Hourd> Meatballs: i'm going to ring them and re-direct your order
[18:21] <DDave> what happened to danieldaniel?
[18:21] <IT_Sean> Hourd: too late. I already did
[18:21] <Meatballs> :D
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[18:22] <huene> DDave: the first person to officially fry a pi
[18:22] <DDave> lol seriously? :D
[18:22] <DDave> what the hell did he do?
[18:22] <huene> soldering
[18:22] <DDave> :D
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[18:22] <DDave> Fail.
[18:22] <DDave> What did he want to do?
[18:22] <flaushy> mine is running again \o/
[18:22] <flaushy> and hi
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[18:22] <flaushy> he hit himself with the iron, lost it afterwards, hit the soc
[18:22] <DaQatz> Soldering on such small components when you don't know what you're doing is a very bad idea.
[18:22] <piless> Meatballs: farnell uk? you ordered about 30,000 after me
[18:23] <Hourd> IT_Sean: fair play
[18:23] <IT_Sean> He dropped a solder blob on it, then powered it up anyway
[18:23] <IT_Sean> FIZZLPOP
[18:24] <Hourd> lawl!
[18:24] <Hourd> seriously?
[18:24] <DDave> LOOOL :D
[18:24] <IT_Sean> then he came here and told us, which was an even bigger mistake
[18:24] <DaQatz> Yeah I have a family member who did that to a laptop.
[18:24] <DDave> what a fool
[18:24] <IT_Sean> Haven't seen him here since.
[18:24] <Hourd> i shouldnt laugh but oh dear thats funny
[18:24] <IT_Sean> it's okay, we laughed.
[18:24] <piless> IT_Sean: You haven't seen him because you banned him.
[18:24] <IT_Sean> Heck, it was in the topic line for a while :p
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[18:24] <Hourd> haha
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[18:24] <IT_Sean> did i?
[18:24] <IT_Sean> Ooooh, right, for posting NSFW images
[18:24] <IT_Sean> I forgot about that
[18:25] <Hourd> i irc at work so i have to hide my terminal a bit, cannot really see topic line
[18:25] <piless> Hourd: Just skin your irc client to look like a word doc
[18:25] <DDave> :D
[18:25] * IT_Sean used a gallon of eyebleach after that
[18:25] <piless> IT_Sean: There's a website for that
[18:25] * IT_Sean access IRC on his iPad over 3G, not even on the work network :D
[18:25] <drazyl> | 1.00 | 1.15 | 2.45 | 1.00 |
[18:25] <Hourd> piless: naw i work in terminals all day
[18:26] <drazyl> (see, its a spreadsheet!)
[18:26] <Hourd> lawl
[18:26] <passstab> piless, !
[18:26] <Hourd> IT_Sean: yeah my linux VM goes through my phone :P
[18:26] <passstab> \./
[18:26] <IT_Sean> piless: a website for what?
[18:26] <DDave> im rofling my butt off. :D
[18:26] <huene> there's a theme for irssi which attempts to make irc look like code
[18:26] <piless> IT_Sean: eyebleach.com
[18:26] <Hourd> huene: oh?
[18:26] <IT_Sean> is it SFW?
[18:27] <piless> not really
[18:27] <huene> never tried it. just read about it
[18:27] <IT_Sean> then don't link to it in here, pelase
[18:27] <passstab> no it is not
[18:27] * IT_Sean looks
[18:27] <passstab> NOT sfw
[18:27] <piless> IT_Sean: Depends on your work, it's only semi-nudity
[18:27] <DDave> gentlemen.... just use the backup lines
[18:27] <DDave> :P
[18:28] <IT_Sean> oooohkay, totally NSFW!
[18:28] * IT_Sean quickly bookmarks, then closes Safari
[18:28] <DDave> daaarn :3 hot
[18:28] <Hourd> IT_Sean: :P
[18:28] <piless> IT_Sean: There's a guy one if you're into that kind of thing
[18:29] <Hourd> piless: he is
[18:29] <piless> If you've got an android phone then you should use chrome2phone for all your nsfw work browsing
[18:29] <GabrialDestruir> Way I see it...
[18:29] <IT_Sean> Yeah, not really into the dudes.
[18:29] <GabrialDestruir> If work can pull up the website...
[18:29] <GabrialDestruir> It must be SFW
[18:29] <GabrialDestruir> Otherwise the work would of blocked them via firewall, yea ;)
[18:29] <IT_Sean> Hourd: I am not!
[18:29] <IT_Sean> :/
[18:29] <nid0> I work from home, everything's SFW \o/
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. I'm now officially annoyed. No UPS.
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[18:29] <Hourd> IT_Sean: sure sure ;)
[18:29] <IT_Sean> IM NOT!
[18:30] <GabrialDestruir> Ehd on't feel bad.
[18:30] <piless> gordonDrogon: Stick your webcam outside your front door and set up some pattern recognition for their logo.
[18:30] <GabrialDestruir> I got "Royal Air Mail" shipping for mine.
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[18:30] <GabrialDestruir> Charged me a Pi for too
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> well, it's now 5:30 - never had a delivery this late, so I suspect it wasn't shipped.
[18:32] <piless> they didn't tell me how they shipped mine, they just say "Same day dispatch (free)"
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[18:32] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: I'veh ad UPS deliver to me as early as 8am, and as late as 9pm. could come any time
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[18:33] <GabrialDestruir> Huh
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[18:33] <piless> I've been seeing more and more ups vans in the UK
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[18:33] <gordonDrogon> maybe. unlikely though. Odd that the email says it was shipped, yet the website says complete, but no shipped date.
[18:33] <GabrialDestruir> Only 3 minutes to convert audio from DTS to AC3
[18:33] <piless> gordonDrogon: I think complete = shipped
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[18:33] * IT_Sean wishes the USPS would quit griping about operation costs and just give up already. we don't need 'em
[18:33] <piless> ac3 sucks
[18:34] <GabrialDestruir> Complete = Watchout we're gonna rip your ass off with shipping charges
[18:34] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[18:34] <GabrialDestruir> USPS should go back to what they do best
[18:34] <GabrialDestruir> delivering just plain old mail
[18:34] <piless> GabrialDestruir: shipping was included in the product price for me. ??29.46
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> ah well there's always tomorow.
[18:34] <GabrialDestruir> That's the BS they told me.
[18:34] <IT_Sean> USPS can't make money just delivering mail, GD, which is why thay should just give up.
[18:35] <piless> is USPS the american equivilent of the royal mail?
[18:35] <IT_Sean> Yes
[18:36] <IT_Sean> Government subsidized letter carriers.
[18:36] <piless> so government owned?
[18:36] <DDave> Last time I ordered something and it was sent with UPS they called me beforehand and asked when I was home
[18:36] <DDave> Benefits of living in a small country :P
[18:36] <piless> DDave: Real person?
[18:36] <DDave> Yeah, a real person
[18:36] <piless> wow
[18:37] <piless> I wouldn't mind a robot or a text notifying me.
[18:37] <IT_Sean> it's gub'ment subsidized, and falls under federal regulatory jurisdiction, but is only PARTLY tax funded, piless
[18:37] <DDave> I know, it was freaking brilliant
[18:37] <nid0> DPD in the uk are pretty ace for that as well, theyre by *far* the best carrier operating here
[18:37] <GabrialDestruir> I win xD
[18:37] <piless> IT_Sean: Well ours was founded in 1516, beat that you yanks
[18:37] <IT_Sean> The USPS takes a LOSS on letter delivery, which is supposed to be made up for my the rates for package delivery. But, theyare loosing money hand over fist.
[18:38] <IT_Sean> And they are doing everything wrong, IMO.
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[18:38] <GabrialDestruir> Why bother removing the old Audio Tracks when I can just add in new ones and set them as default xD
[18:38] <IT_Sean> There used to be a post box on nearly every corner, in my town. Now there is ONE.
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[18:38] <IT_Sean> I used to be able to walk to the corner to mail a letter.
[18:39] <IT_Sean> Now i need to drive into town to do it.
[18:39] <IT_Sean> All the while, postage rates go up.
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[18:39] <IT_Sean> IMO, just shutter the entire operation, and leave it to private carriers, like FedEx, UPS, and DHL.
[18:39] * SpeedEvil bought some stamps earlier.
[18:39] <nid0> yeah, then no-one gets any mail
[18:39] <IT_Sean> You don't NEED mail.
[18:40] <GabrialDestruir> Except there's too many things that are still mail based.
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> sometimes it's nice to get mail though.
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> Universal service is a very, very good thing.
[18:40] <GabrialDestruir> You're not gonna see UPS running around doing day to day mail delivery and pick up
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[18:40] <gordonDrogon> and it's going to be at least a generation before everyone is happy with electronic communication.
[18:40] <IT_Sean> True, but, we don't NEED day to day mail delivery and pick up.
[18:41] <IT_Sean> use private carriers for Important Stuff, and electronic communication for the rest.
[18:41] <piless> SpeedEvil: stamps.com
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[18:41] <SpeedEvil> piless: naah - royal mail shop site - shortly before the price rise. About a grand.
[18:41] <IT_Sean> I hate mail.
[18:41] <SpeedEvil> I need to start putting them on ebay
[18:41] <GabrialDestruir> Just get UPS/FEDEX to fund and make up for the "LOSS" then you get day to day Mail/shipping/etc
[18:41] <piless> snail mail
[18:42] <IT_Sean> I purchased a roll of stamps in 1999. Since then, i have used three of them. I still have the roll.
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: Price rose 40%.
[18:42] <piless> we need to bring back the pneumatic tubes
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: I can resell for the new price - buy for the old
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[18:42] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: And the old stamps remain valid forever.
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[18:43] <IT_Sean> The irritating thing... all three stamps were used to pay speeding fines. :/
[18:43] * IT_Sean sighs.
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[18:43] <nid0> IT_Sean - if you've used 3 stamps in the past 13 years, why is it such a massive problem that you have to drive to town rather than walk to the postbox now?
[18:43] * Matthew is now known as Guest91974
[18:43] <nid0> one car journey every 3 and a half years cant be that bad
[18:43] * SpeedEvil has just been getting on the damn bus.
[18:43] <SpeedEvil> Four journies today, due to forgetting the important bit of a letter I needed to send.
[18:43] <IT_Sean> nid0: my irritation comes more from the fact that they keep griping about how they can't make money. I say, either charge people what it actually costs to mail a letter, or go home.
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> Then special delivery to make sure it gets there with tracking.
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: Plus - online printers.
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[18:45] <piless> IT_Sean: What about administration costs?
[18:45] <IT_Sean> What about 'em?
[18:45] <piless> you need to factor these in aswell
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[18:45] <IT_Sean> Go for it.
[18:45] <IT_Sean> Factor away.
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[18:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cfhdocmail.com/ - for those in the uK
[18:46] <mkopack> Um, hell, it's been so long since I've mailed anything I don't even know how much US Stamps are now!
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> send letters for 32p - including printing
[18:46] <mkopack> I pay everything online
[18:47] <mkopack> although I'm going to have 2 rebates to mail in next week, so I guess I better figure it out fast
[18:47] <mkopack> I picked up 2 32GB SSD drives to use with the panda and Rpi over USB???
[18:47] <mkopack> got one for $29 after MIR, and the other for $49 but I had a $30 credit to apply
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[18:48] <piless> why aren't they including VAT in their advertised prices?
[18:48] <nid0> why would they?
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[18:49] <piless> because I want them to
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[18:49] <mkopack> to everyone pays VAT.
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> I'm live chatting to farnell :)
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> live chat didn't work in firefox, but does work in chrome....
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> Hmm.
[18:50] <piless> gordonDrogon: ask 'em where the customer support representative is currently residing.
[18:51] <GabrialDestruir> Ask them wth they're so eager to ignore emails from the customers they've ripped off -nods- xD
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> 'Carl' is not replying to me now
[18:52] <piless> GabrialDestruir: ripped off?
[18:52] <piless> gordonDrogon: He's probably doing 10 of those chats at once
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> yea...
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> poor 'Carl'.
[18:53] <piless> Is his head shaped like an orange?
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> Hm. now that I've installed chrome, maybe I can check the google doodle today.
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> Google told me I needed a modern browser this morning - as if FF12 isn't modern enough )-:
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[18:53] <nid0> the doodle works fine in ff and ie
[18:53] <nid0> their "get a modern browser" bullshit is just bullshit
[18:54] <piless> gordonDrogon: It's some fancy synth thing, but I can't hear it.
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> I though it would - just google trying to take over the world!
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> OOh - Agent is typing ...
[18:54] <GabrialDestruir> Yes. I'm saying they ripped me off for charging 22 dollars shipping an additional 4-5 dollars for the pi itself, and then ignoring the emails I sent them asking why they refused to honor the prices their parent company set.
[18:54] <piless> GabrialDestruir: where do you live?
[18:54] <GabrialDestruir> US
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[18:55] <piless> GabrialDestruir: import taxes
[18:55] <IT_Sean> import tax & duties
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[18:55] <IT_Sean> they are obligated to charge them, you are obligated to pay them
[18:55] <piless> I wouldn't call it "ripping off"
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> oh. Aparently I've reached technical support.
[18:56] <piless> gordonDrogon: why do you need technical support?
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> I don't. I wanted to see if they could tell me tracking.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> and it's always good to annoy people on these chatty things anyway. Keeps them on their toes.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[18:57] <IT_Sean> Ahh, you need the shipping department. Hold please... [click][hold music] ... ...
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[18:58] <beardface|away> 22 dollars for shipping and import taxes?
[18:58] <beardface|away> are you serious?
[18:58] <GabrialDestruir> They as much as said it was the shipping cost, never mentioned "Import taxes"
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> is that for everyone in the US?
[18:58] <IT_Sean> If you tried to annoy me via my company's support chat, i would destroy you :p
[18:58] <beardface|away> 22 from element14 for shipping?
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[18:58] <piless> IT_Sean: link?
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, I'm always polite.
[18:58] <beardface|away> same day shipping?
[18:58] <IT_Sean> NO.
[18:58] <GabrialDestruir> If you order from farnell for some reason.... yea
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[18:59] <GabrialDestruir> The unit price of a Raspberry PI is ??24.55, this price is excluding any shipping costs. The cost of shipping to the US has been charged at ??14.00 & the service used is Royal Mail International. I hope this goes someway to understand how the cost to your card has been made.
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> So Farnell ship to the US from the UK?
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> that's got to be annoying.
[18:59] <GabrialDestruir> I ordered via export, cause no one knew about newark
[19:00] <GabrialDestruir> it was within the first couple hours
[19:00] <piless> gordonDrogon: Who did you order with?
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> And They charged me ?26.55 + P&P & VAT.
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> Farnell and RS.
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> Farnell emailled me yesterday to say it had been shipped.
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[19:00] <gordonDrogon> I suspect they're shipping them via camel.
[19:00] <piless> gordonDrogon: farnell uk?
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> yes, uk. that's where I am :)
[19:01] <piless> gordonDrogon: you calling 111111?
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[19:02] <gordonDrogon> piless, huh? 111111 ? I'm not calling anyhing - I was using their "live chat" function on their website...
[19:02] <GabrialDestruir> Live chat was useless if you ask me.
[19:02] <mkopack> moral of story - order from the local affiliate??? Although the one I got from RS they only charged like $7 shipping to the USA.
[19:02] <piless> gordonDrogon: "If you are unable to track your order online please call 08447 11 11 11."
[19:02] <mkopack> So I'm basically paying $42 total for each one I've ordered, regardless of RS or Newark
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[19:03] <gordonDrogon> oh that. that costs money to call - it's a premium rate number.
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> I'm really in no rush - yet.
[19:03] <piless> Mine was ??24.55 plus VAT with free shipping
[19:03] <piless> For a total of ??29.46
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> piless, from farnell?
[19:06] <piless> gordonDrogon: farnell uk
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. I suspect they were playing random numbers when they did mine then.
[19:07] <nid0> same with mine tbh
[19:07] <nid0> I got charged ??31.86 from farnell, and ??30.87 from RA
[19:07] <piless> gordonDrogon: What's your total?
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> 26.55 + VAT = ?31.86
[19:08] <nid0> RA = RS*
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[19:08] <gordonDrogon> nid0, yep - same here for RS too.
[19:08] <piless> Hmm, I wonder why I got charged less, I ordered on the first of march
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> 29/02/2012 18:58
[19:09] <nid0> 29/02/2012 11:48
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> so has yours arrived yet, nid0 ?
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> or been shipped?
[19:09] <nid0> yeah, nearly 3 weeks ago
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[19:09] <piless> 01/03/2012 20:23
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> must have gotten in the first 2000 or whatever the first batch was.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> 1000 to each of them.
[19:10] <piless> gordonDrogon: Less actually.
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[19:10] <piless> 400 got sent to QT
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> Why???
[19:11] <piless> because they gave the foundation a wad of cash
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> I also heard from someone at the weekend who had managed to get a box of 20 of them... but they were still being shipped...
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> so I guess it was possible to get Pi's early (or later) if you tried hard enough.
[19:12] <piless> I think nokia or QT or whoever were one of the big investors
[19:12] * gordonDrogon nods.
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[19:13] <piless> gordonDrogon: The problem was that the distributors didn't give a shit about the 1 per person deal that the foundation claimed
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> oh? So some people just ordered 2 or more?
[19:13] <piless> Yup
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> Although I guess I can't complain about that - I'll have 3 shortly...
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> but that was one from RS, Farnell and ebay...
[19:14] <piless> how much did you pay for the ebay one?
[19:14] <IT_Sean> you greedy bugger.
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> so all vald one per person sources...
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> ?105
[19:14] <piless> ouch
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> nearly 4 weeks ago now though.
[19:14] <piless> you could have got a sheevaplug for that
[19:14] <IT_Sean> ??105 !!??
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> sure, or an X, Y or Z, butthey're not Pi's.
[19:14] <IT_Sean> O_O
[19:14] <IT_Sean> are you mad!?
[19:14] <piless> I waaaant a sheevaplug
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[19:14] <piless> IT_Sean: Disposible income is a wonderful thing
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> yea, mad as a hatter. been through this here several times - fire away, I'm diverting to /dev/null for a bit :)
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> he who dies with the most toys wins :)
[19:15] <Hourd> gordonDrogon: good plan
[19:15] <Hourd> :P
[19:15] <IT_Sean> I agree, but, even i try not to dispose of it in such large chunks
[19:15] <piless> IT_Sean: ??100 is a large chuck??
[19:15] * Hourd is about to spend ~??900 on a printer
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> actually, I'd really not have bothered with the ebay thing if I hadn't been going to an unconference 3 weeks ago..
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[19:16] <Hourd> kind of a big chunk
[19:16] <IT_Sean> it is for a raspi!
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> so I'll put my 2 extra pi's on ebay ... and maybe get back a few quid..
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> what's the buy it now price these days..
[19:16] * SpeedEvil has just spent 300 quid on insulation.
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[19:16] <piless> gordonDrogon: Or donate them to local techie clubs
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> - which is a test of insulating a shed - to see if I can get it to work for my house.
[19:17] <piless> SpeedEvil: Just use hay bales
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> ?70 to ?100.
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> piless: haybales have severe issues.
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> piless: Plus are more expensive
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> kingspan or the like.
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: indeed.
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> I might donate one to a local project though.
[19:18] <nid0> subsidized b&q insulation at like a fiver a roll then? :P
[19:18] <piless> use asbestos
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> nid0: that's not actually that great value
[19:18] <Cheery> yesterday I forgot to add my card security number and the order failed
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> 'Cheery is now known as Frowny'
[19:18] <piless> Cheery: The 3 digit code on the back?
[19:18] <Cheery> today I went back in, bought some equipment along my raspberry pi.
[19:19] <Cheery> now it says despatch expected within 3 weeks.
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> eek- someones selling an activation code for ?30!
[19:19] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: I was thinking of doing that
[19:19] <Cheery> and provided the confirmation email.
[19:20] <Cheery> well my order totaled to 63???
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[19:20] <piless> gordonDrogon: Daaaamn, I have an activation code from RS sitting in my inbox
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> piless, I've used mine...
[19:20] <Cheery> with SD card, USB Euro power supply and HDMI cable
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> Oh. hot today - just glanced at my binary thermometer (all my Pi has been doing today!) and it's reading ... um ... 23!
[19:21] <piless> Cheery: You're better off buying the peripherals from something like amazon
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> piless: It can be hard to fnd a not-made-in-china-badly PSU
[19:22] <piless> SpeedEvil: I just bought a cheap samsung phone charger.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> My LOGIC one is holding up so-far...
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> Hm. wonder if the Pi will drive the urf module...
[19:22] <Cheery> piless: I think it's good idea to pick something they've tested that it's compatible
[19:22] <Cheery> and their prices are really low compared to local prices anyawy
[19:22] <Cheery> *anyway
[19:22] <piless> Local prices are always a rip off
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> led flashing ...
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> Compatible isn't so much the point.
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> 'not going to explode' is
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> cdc_acm 1-1.2:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> ok ,it sees it.
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> install minicom ...
[19:23] <Cheery> SpeedEvil: I think along this way because I've seen people have had problems with their RPi
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[19:23] <Cheery> wouldn't bother about that at the first time getting the device.
[19:25] <piless> Cheery: 16gb sandisk sd from asda = ??15. The same card from Amazon UK = ??9
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> Pressure is: 1020.52, Temp: 25.3. Temp2: 24.2, RH: 59.97. GT: 20.5, Rain: 0.0000mm, Wind: 0.0 mph, DIR: 0, Light: 540
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo - that's from an arduino talking through an xrf module to a urf module plugged into a Pi reading via minicom.
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> the arduino is loaded with some weather sensors.
[19:27] <piless> gordonDrogon: Won't the pi stop working if it senses the weather.. eg, gets rained on.
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> piless, a-ha! Yes, so that's why it's an arduino doing the sensing and tx'ing the data wirelessly :)
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> the arduino will be inside a standard white weather box with a battery and solar panel.
[19:28] <Cheery> how much should you worry about moisture with pi anyway?
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, I'd wory a lot...
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> which is why the Pi is staying indoors...
[19:29] <piless> Cheery: depends where you live
[19:29] <Cheery> I've thought about usecases where I take it outside.
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> get a big battery :)
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> I can shut-down the arduino during samples. can't do that easilly with the pi.
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[19:29] <piless> and then completely seal the whole thing in 12 layers of plastic bags
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> er, shut it down between samples.
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[19:30] <Cheery> well coding outside would be cool and all although I'd need to buy one wifi router here.
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> I sometimes go into my courtyard area with a laptop.
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> My garden is a bit far from the house though - can't get wifi down there )-:
[19:30] <piless> coding outside with a pi?!?!
[19:30] <piless> just buy an old laptop off ebay
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> wel - the pi can be anywhere - it's just another Linux box...
[19:31] <piless> gordonDrogon: directional antenna
[19:31] <Cheery> but the actual thing I consider is putting one into a greenhouse
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[19:31] <piless> Cheery: I'd try and seal it up as much as possible
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[19:32] <Cheery> measuring moisture, growth, heat, inside the room.
[19:32] <Cheery> well in fact I might like camera module there as well :)
[19:32] <piless> measuring growth/
[19:32] <Cheery> yeah
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> greenhouse...
[19:33] <piless> is your greenhouse powered?
[19:33] <Cheery> nah
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[19:33] <Cheery> I'd need to provide power there with other means
[19:33] <piless> windmill
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> greenhouse sensor - usb: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/usb-weather-board-p-593.html
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[19:34] <gordonDrogon> piless, no - there is more than just distance involved to get to my garden. I've tried...
[19:34] <piless> gordonDrogon: probably out of his budget
[19:35] <Cheery> yeah that's a bit out of the budget.
[19:35] <Cheery> or who knows..
[19:35] <Cheery> I don't think I'll pick everything at once
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> Oh. Pi's crashed.
[19:35] <piless> cool skpang sell pre-loaded sds
[19:35] <Cheery> the first thing would be if I could just measure some things inside the room
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> that's a bother. I wonder what it crashed on - power supply or crappy USB driver.
[19:36] <Cheery> Having it running there would be likely the first step :)
[19:36] * gordonDrogon mutters.
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> I'm sort of relying on the usb ACM drvier working for this project )-:
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> maybe time to compile up my own kernel and get a serial line into it.
[19:38] <Cheery> getting sleep early
[19:38] <Cheery> good night
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> be seeing you..
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[19:39] <gordonDrogon> ok, here we go again.. urf plugged into powered hub not pi this time.
[19:39] <piless> I keep hearing about all these crashes.
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[19:40] <piless> Is this really bad news for these of us hoping to use the pi as a little home file server?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> this is the first time it's crashed on me when doing something other than consoel graphics.
[19:41] <dmsuse> ive only had 1 crash
[19:41] <dmsuse> i doubt a file server will cause a crash
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> however it appears to be losing data now, but I don't know if that's the wireless dropping out, or the Pi not being able to keep up - at 9600 baud...
[19:41] <piless> dmsuse: What about a torrent box?
[19:41] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: ive had loss of data too
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[19:41] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, what device?
[19:42] <dmsuse> piless: i was downloading a torrent on mine last night, worked fine
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, I have what's essentially a usb ACM serial device here..
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[19:42] <dmsuse> i just wrote a text file with some text in in my home dir to the sd car
[19:42] <dmsuse> d
[19:42] <dmsuse> took the power cable out a min or 2 later when starting up the text i put in the file was gone
[19:43] <IT_Sean> sounds like a bad SD card.
[19:43] <IT_Sean> They do that when they can't actually write.
[19:43] <dmsuse> yeah could be, its old
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, actually that's sort of to be expected...
[19:44] <piless> gordonDrogon: expected?
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> yes. Linux doesn't flush stuff to disk immediately.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> it could be still in RAM.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> try write file ; sync ; power down
[19:44] <piless> if you shut it down properly will it flush it to disk?
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> use reboot/init 0/halt/shutdown
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> etc.
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> and also look in /lost+found
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> the boot-time FSCK sometimes finds orphaned files and moves them there.
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[19:51] <mkopack> ARGH, I HATE when stuff I order from Newegg that's supposed to go UPS gets sent through USPS ....
[19:52] <Slippern> http://liliputing.com/2012/05/via-apc-a-49-android-computer-with-an-arm11-cpu.html i want :D
[19:52] <mkopack> Huh, what I read said only 720P video...
[19:53] <dmsuse> Slippern: its rubbish
[19:53] <mkopack> A bit higher power load than the RPi
[19:53] <mkopack> Looks like about the same performance level as the RPi, but with more RAM + USB jacks + VGA (which I have to admit is kinda nice)
[19:54] <piless> the wattage is higher though
[19:54] <beardface|away> andy GPIO?
[19:54] <beardface|away> *any
[19:54] <mkopack> Nope
[19:54] * beardface|away is now known as beardface
[19:54] <beardface> worthless to me
[19:54] <mkopack> Well, I take that back
[19:54] <dmsuse> what exactly is the point in having usb ports on an android?
[19:54] <mkopack> There ARE some pin headers on the board, but can't tell what they are
[19:54] <piless> dmsuse: interface
[19:54] <dmsuse> with what?
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[19:55] <piless> a touchscreen would need to through usb wouldn't it?
[19:55] <mkopack> They're just labeled" F_Panel" , "J3" ??? The 3rd header is UART so that's a serial port
[19:55] <IT_Sean> piless: yes
[19:55] <dmsuse> so basically you want an android phone....
[19:55] <IT_Sean> a touchscreen would generally interface via USB
[19:55] <Slippern> atleast it has android, and im missing android om rpi..
[19:56] <dmsuse> why would you want it?
[19:56] <dmsuse> lol
[19:56] <piless> dmsuse: It's marketed as an android desktop computer, but android sucks with mice. In the next couple of years the market is going to be flooded with touchscreen monitors as a direct response to microsofts metro UI
[19:56] <IT_Sean> why do you want hemdroid?
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[19:57] <piless> IT_Sean: hemdroid?
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[19:58] <IT_Sean> Droid.
[19:58] <IT_Sean> aka android.
[19:58] <DaQatz> dmsuse: I don't think that board is rubbish myself. It would make a better carputer then a pi would. Different board, diff specs, diff uses.
[19:58] <dmsuse> but you already have a computer :P
[19:59] <DaQatz> Pi is cheaper, and smaller. Much better suited for what it's intended for.
[19:59] <DaQatz> Then that one is.
[19:59] <piless> IT_Sean: droid isn't android, droid is a marketing term used by verizon to denote their android line.
[19:59] <dmsuse> i bought pi for 3 reasons .. 1) power usage, 2) gpio and 3) its small
[19:59] <dmsuse> that board has non of those things
[19:59] <dmsuse> may aswell just get a laptop
[19:59] <DaQatz> Yep, then you have no personal use for the other board.
[20:00] <DaQatz> But many will.
[20:00] <DaQatz> I'm also sticking with the pi myself.
[20:00] <DaQatz> Since it suits what I'm looking to do fine as well.
[20:00] <IT_Sean> whatever... you knew what i meant
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[20:01] * IT_Sean is not an android fan
[20:01] <dmsuse> neither am i, java sucks and its buggy as heck :P
[20:01] <piless> this is only the beginning, this is exactly how the netbooks started with olpc
[20:01] <DaQatz> Yeah my biggest issue with android is java.
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> well my little AAO netbook has been running the wireless link for 10 mins now without a glitch. it does lose data when I go downstairs ito the kitchen, but as it's an old granite house, that doesn't surprise me (wifi has issues!)
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[20:02] <piless> gordonDrogon: 2.5ghz or 5?
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> piless, 838MHz.
[20:02] <DaQatz> piless: Yeah to bad they feature bloated so fast.
[20:02] <piless> gordonDrogon: Nah, wifi freq.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> piless, oh, 2.4 here.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> the URF/XRF link is 838MHz.
[20:02] <piless> I want an ac router
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> I want my MTV ...
[20:04] <piless> 802.11ac is capable of 500mbit for a single device
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> I only have 10/100 LAN here. don't really need it..
[20:05] <piless> but its 5ghz so it will have a harder time with walls
[20:05] <piless> but at least 5ghz bounces off your skin
[20:05] * hamitron still prefers wires
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> I prefer wires too - but wi-fi is convenient and wifey has fondleslab and phones that use it ...
[20:06] <piless> hamitron: Do you know what I really hate? These wires with that special grippy plastic.. It's a bloody nightmare untangling these.
[20:06] <haltdef> must have 802.11ac gear
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[20:07] <hamitron> piless, even worse than normal glossy cables :/
[20:07] <piless> haltdef: buffalo sells ac gear
[20:07] <piless> hamitron: Much much worse
[20:07] <haltdef> no client hardware
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> I must have something that's reliable and "just works" and I'm willing to trade speed for reliability.
[20:07] <piless> I'm not fussed about bandwidth, I care about latency
[20:07] <hamitron> so you are using a 10mbit ethernet?
[20:08] <hamitron> ;)
[20:08] <haltdef> I reckon it's good for 600mbps of actual throughput, 50% or so of link speed
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> 100Mb.
[20:08] <piless> hamitron: the pi is 100mbit
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> I do plan to move to Gb in the next month or 2 though.
[20:08] <haltdef> hopefully higher, I'm basing that off of my experience with 5ghz 802.11n
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[20:08] <hamitron> Gb would be good
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> I'm working with some people who're working on Gb full duplex radios now...
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[20:08] <hamitron> but 100Mb is fine for now
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> they already have 320Mb full duplex.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> this is high-end stuff, not consumer half-duplex solutions.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> point to point too. it's pretty amazing kit.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> runs at 60Ghz though...
[20:09] <hamitron> I have no need
[20:09] <SpeedEvil> 60ghz is interesting in principle.
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> Makes steerable antennas very easy
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> nor me, but "carriers" do...
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> And eliminates distant noise.
[20:10] <piless> does it give you cancer if stand too close?
[20:10] <IT_Sean> No, but it will make your plumbs fall off
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> who knows...
[20:10] <IT_Sean> *plums
[20:10] <piless> my testicals?
[20:11] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[20:11] <hamitron> piless, sorry, can't find wtf you're on about
[20:11] <hamitron> ;)
[20:12] <piless> grr why do all the decent american shows stop airing all at once..
[20:12] <piless> I miss 30 rock/community/parks and rec
[20:12] <haltdef> summer shows now
[20:12] <DaQatz> Summer shows suck.
[20:13] <haltdef> you're watching bad ones then
[20:13] <piless> At least game of thrones and mad men is still on
[20:13] <Slippern> dmsuse: im planning to use rpi in my car, so android with a 7" touchscreen would be nice..
[20:13] <chnopsx> I just rewatch bad scifi shows all summer
[20:13] <chnopsx> screw going outside
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[20:13] <dmsuse> Slippern: you know you can get tablet androids for the same price as that
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[20:13] <piless> Slippern: google navigation is amazing
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[20:13] <dmsuse> comes with a screen too
[20:13] * SpeedEvil passes chnopsx a boxed set of Crusade.
[20:13] <dmsuse> so really, its a pointless device :P
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[20:13] <chnopsx> :D
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[20:14] * hamitron has just registered interest in the r-pi
[20:14] <piless> hamitron: what country?
[20:14] <hamitron> UK
[20:14] <mkopack> hamitron: hehe, well, you'll get yours around August then :)
[20:14] <DaQatz> hamitron: For a first pi, or second?
[20:14] <hamitron> 1st
[20:14] <hamitron> I'm in no rush
[20:14] <piless> hamitron: Want an RS code?
[20:14] * DaQatz nods.
[20:14] <hamitron> no ty
[20:15] <dmsuse> cant even give it away :P
[20:15] <dmsuse> ill have it!!
[20:15] <hamitron> I'd like to have some life free for a while longer
[20:15] <mkopack> Actually, I'm betting it'll be before then. Gonna be interesting to see how many of the "registrations" were duplicates like mine that convert into actual sales
[20:15] <IT_Sean> noone has taken your RS code yet, piless?
[20:15] <mkopack> I still have one as well
[20:15] <IT_Sean> I'm surprised.
[20:15] <piless> IT_Sean: I haven't been offering, it only arrived in my inbox yesterday
[20:15] <IT_Sean> ahh
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[20:15] <mkopack> I sent out an email for folks at work, but nobody has taken me up on it yet
[20:16] <mkopack> so I might just delete the email
[20:16] <dmsuse> :O !!!!
[20:16] <IT_Sean> !!!!!!!
[20:16] <piless> I'm a bit sceptical though, because apparently they are being sold on ebay
[20:16] * hamitron checks to see if he got a code within 2 hours
[20:16] <hamitron> ..... no ;/
[20:16] <IT_Sean> hamitron: you won't get an order code until your slot in the queue comes up.
[20:17] <hamitron> yeh :)
[20:17] <dmsuse> piless: i think the best thing is to give me the code, ill buy it and test it all works out, then everyone will know for sure :P
[20:17] <IT_Sean> So... expect yours around 2027 or there abouts.
[20:17] <piless> Which probably won't be till august
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[20:17] <IT_Sean> Yes... August of 2027
[20:17] <piless> dmsuse: Hmm
[20:17] <hamitron> I'm just hoping I get it for xmas
[20:17] <hamitron> this year ;D
[20:17] <piless> dmsuse: First pi?
[20:17] <dmsuse> no :(
[20:17] <piless> Oh
[20:18] <hamitron> having more than 1 is greedy at this stage, imo
[20:18] * IT_Sean agreed
[20:18] <dmsuse> true, but nobody is willing to accept his offer :P
[20:18] * IT_Sean still hasn't got one
[20:18] <DaQatz> Hexxeh got more then one, and has made good use of them dev wise.
[20:18] <piless> hamitron: Depends on whether you're a dev or not
[20:19] <piless> If you're a dev, I say let them have a dozen
[20:19] <hamitron> if the code is not used, it will surely just free 1 more up in the queue?
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[20:19] <DaQatz> I dev, but not enough to need more then one.
[20:19] <IT_Sean> Yes, unused codes will eventually go on to the next person in the queue
[20:19] <dmsuse> i was thinking about that earlier
[20:19] <piless> hamitron: Sure, but the queue is 100,000 long
[20:19] <dmsuse> it must be months before those codes go invalid
[20:20] <dmsuse> they should email all those with codes to say "you have 5 days to order"
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[20:20] <IT_Sean> agreed.
[20:20] <hamitron> I think I'll be studying how the thing boots and works low level
[20:21] <hamitron> then maybe join/create a team to do with another OS
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> hamitron, just get any old Linux box to do that - it's not much differrent.
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[20:22] <hamitron> well, I'd like to work with fixed hardware
[20:22] <piless> hamitron: If you don't want one until christmas then you should probably wait till the education release (free case)
[20:22] <hamitron> I did select "with or without case"
[20:22] <hamitron> I got a case anyway
[20:22] <piless> I would expect the case one would be a different sku
[20:23] <dmsuse> how much are cases going for now?
[20:23] <piless> I ordered a modmypi one, hopefully that won't be shit
[20:23] <IT_Sean> depends on the case.
[20:23] <piless> dmsuse: About a tenner
[20:23] <IT_Sean> language, please, piless.
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[20:23] <DaQatz> lol http://instagr.am/p/K-px2Fxjyj/
[20:24] <piless> which country owns .am?
[20:24] <dmsuse> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html
[20:24] <dmsuse> bought that earlier
[20:24] <piless> dmsuse: Yeah I saw that, it looks great, but their delivery prices are a bit high.
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[20:25] <dmsuse> yeah true, the only reason i got it is that it worked out cheaper than buying the things i need for the pgio led's and stuff than getting them from maplin
[20:25] <dmsuse> plus i get the case too
[20:25] <dmsuse> *gpio
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> .am is armenia.
[20:26] <dmsuse> no doubt ebay would be 10x cheaper still but i cant wait :P
[20:26] <piless> dmsuse: I pre-ordered one of those, http://www.modmypi.com/images/gallery/003-raspberry-pi-black-top.jpg
[20:26] <dmsuse> lol that looks nice
[20:27] <piless> I'm just hoping it's decent plastic
[20:31] <[SLB]> how much are these cases?
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[20:32] <hamitron> case for my r-pi has a 120mm fan for cooling :D
[20:32] <piless_> [SLB]: ??10
[20:32] <markus> hamitron: how cool is it?
[20:32] <piless_> hamitron: pi doesn't need cooling
[20:32] <hamitron> mine will be the coolest -pi then
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: my Pi is powered from 420W solar panel.
[20:32] <IT_Sean> pi doesn't need cooling
[20:32] <[SLB]> oh cheap, i like this case more, but shapeways is way expensive.. http://www.shapeways.com/model/486999/raspberry-pi-case-1-0rc1.html
[20:32] <hamitron> ;/
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[20:33] <hamitron> it is an old PSU case
[20:33] <hamitron> and free
[20:33] <hamitron> :)
[20:33] <piless_> [SLB]: The problem with these printed ones is the texture of the plastic is awful
[20:33] <IT_Sean> 120mm fan for cooling a pi!?? The fan 'll use more power than the board will!
[20:33] <IT_Sean> jeez.
[20:33] <hamitron> hehe
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: It does need cooling - at least to the point of not putting it in too insulating a box
[20:33] <DaQatz> lol
[20:33] <mkopack> [SLB]: yeah, that's Marco's and I like that one as well??? That one isn't printed, it's injection molded.
[20:33] <[SLB]> from shapeways they're low res too? :\
[20:33] <[SLB]> yea
[20:34] <hamitron> well, I'll probably cram other stuff in there too
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[20:34] <piless_> Why does shapeways think the uk uses euros?
[20:34] <mkopack> It's rather $$$ though
[20:34] <[SLB]> i saw he proposed on his blog different possible versions, also leaving the gpio available
[20:35] <[SLB]> no i think cos it's how he had set it to euro
[20:35] <markus> [SLB]: the frosted ultra detail is only $111.64
[20:35] <hamitron> "only" :|
[20:35] <piless_> markus: are there images of the frosted ultra detail?
[20:35] <[SLB]> woa 111
[20:36] <hamitron> I thought this channel was for cheap gits?
[20:36] <markus> piless_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls_CXBETB44&feature=related it's rendered image but still cool
[20:37] * SpeedEvil wonders about Pi cases made from slumped ass.
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> slumped glass
[20:37] <[SLB]> here i think can appreciate the texture http://marcoalici.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/dsc50041.jpg
[20:38] <[SLB]> from shapeways
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[20:38] <[SLB]> (many pics here http://marcoalici.wordpress.com/ )
[20:39] <IT_Sean> what is slumped glass?
[20:39] <piless> wow that looks crap
[20:39] <hamitron> glass that is slumped
[20:39] <IT_Sean> slumped?
[20:39] <EiNSTeiN_> if you guys want printed cases... drop in #reprap, some people are printing them for cheaper than shapeways will sell them
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[20:39] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: you take a form. Now, you place a sheet of glass over it - and heat it.
[20:39] <IT_Sean> oooh
[20:39] <IT_Sean> neat!
[20:39] <piless> I definitely don't want a case that becomes completely illuminated because it's too thin
[20:40] <hamitron> won't the heat from the glass damage the IC?
[20:40] <[SLB]> thats not the final model btw
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: You do not place the Pi in the oven at 900C, no.
[20:40] <IT_Sean> you do it over a form, not over the Pi itself.
[20:40] <hamitron> oh, ok
[20:40] <hamitron> so there will be spacers for cooling?
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> naah
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[20:41] <IT_Sean> the raspi does. not. require. cooling.
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> you make it over a little mould
[20:41] <markus> http://marcoalici.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/raspberry-pi-case_stacked_02.jpg keeewl
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: that's a simplification.
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: It uses 3W or so typically. It can easily require cooling.
[20:41] <IT_Sean> okay, it doesn't require active cooling
[20:41] <[SLB]> how are the modmypis cases kept closed?
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> http://www.coralya.com/s/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=208
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> Slumped glass
[20:42] <hamitron> so what is the max temp the r-pi can be run under, with no cooling?
[20:42] <piless> hamitron: 208 C
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[20:42] <hamitron> ;/
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> I would not run it in an environment over 40C or so.
[20:43] <piless> my phone doesn't require active cooling
[20:43] <piless> [SLB]: clips
[20:43] <hamitron> just thinking, if installed inside a PC
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> ^a still air environment
[20:43] <[SLB]> ah okies piless ty
[20:43] <IT_Sean> why would you put it inside a PC? O_o
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> In stirred air - 50C may be OK.
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> Assuming that the chip is rated to 70C
[20:44] <hamitron> IT_Sean, why would you not?
[20:44] <piless> [SLB]: "Pinch Locking"
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[20:45] <IT_Sean> beeeeeecause there is no good reason to?
[20:45] <piless> hamitron: you could stick it in one of the drive bays
[20:45] <[SLB]> thanks, having a look
[20:45] <hamitron> piless, that was my thinking
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[20:47] <hamitron> certainly initially, my "playing" will be almost purely software
[20:47] <hamitron> so hiding it in the spare space in my PC seems sensible
[20:47] <hamitron> 5V supply is handy
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[20:50] <IT_Sean> How are you going to mount it?
[20:50] <piless_> bluetac
[20:50] <hamitron> in a case
[20:50] <hamitron> haha
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> Try Sugru :)
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[20:50] <hamitron> screw it ofc
[20:51] <hamitron> ;/
[20:51] <hamitron> probably just make some metal/plastic bracket and case
[20:51] <kayhanman> Hi my Pi doesn't output at my TVs maximum resolution by default. I was attempting the resolve this by changing the hdmi mode in the /boot/config.txt file, but I'm not sure whether I want to be using DMT or CEA modes, or even what those are.
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[20:52] <chris_99> does the Pi even have holes in it hamitron
[20:52] <chris_99> i forgeet
[20:52] <hamitron> dunno
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> kayhanman, try disable_overscan=1 first.
[20:52] <piless_> [SLB]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZST4iXpMZE
[20:52] <IT_Sean> No, it does not
[20:53] <hamitron> so need holes made
[20:53] <piless_> you can make holes
[20:53] <chris_99> so you're going to drill it then?
[20:53] <kayhanman> gordonDrogo: ok
[20:53] <[SLB]> yup thanks was just watching that vid :)
[20:53] <IT_Sean> drilling = BAD IDEA
[20:53] <hamitron> I'll probably just use plastic clips then
[20:53] <IT_Sean> you WILL wreck it
[20:53] <chris_99> that's what i was thinking heh
[20:53] <chris_99> unless theres spare pcb
[20:54] <piless_> [SLB]: I'm glad the actual cases will be injection moulded and not 3d printed like these prototypes
[20:54] <IT_Sean> No spare PCB
[20:54] <anish> has anyone actually successfully made holes ?
[20:54] <hamitron> mine will be vacuum formed
[20:54] <hamitron> :/
[20:54] <IT_Sean> there really isn't anywhere on the board you could safely drill
[20:54] <mkopack> Do NOT drill on the board
[20:54] <IT_Sean> just isn't space
[20:54] <[SLB]> yes i don't really like the low res printed results
[20:55] <piless_> you can drill through the SoC
[20:55] <chris_99> lol
[20:55] <anish> hahaha
[20:55] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:55] <mkopack> Use some sort of retaining clip or sandwich the board between the top and bottom layers of the case
[20:55] <hamitron> tbh, not a worry yet
[20:55] <piless_> mkopack: or sugru like gordonDrogon suggested
[20:55] <hamitron> no r-pi here
[20:55] <hamitron> ;D
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: hold the board up to the light
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: the green bits can be safely drilled (probably)
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> - there isn't much green other than the outside 0.8mm or so
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[20:56] <hamitron> how many layer is the pcb?
[20:56] <IT_Sean> Too much rick of cracking / delaminating, and there really is not room for drilling holes.
[20:56] <IT_Sean> *risk
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[20:57] <hamitron> nobody in their right mine drills pi's anyway, you cut it
[20:57] <hamitron> ;/
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[20:57] <hamitron> mind*
[20:57] <plugwash> IIRC they were trying to make it four layer but ended up with 6
[20:59] <mkopack> Yeahm I need to order some sugru at some point
[21:00] <piless_> What's wrong with leaving it loose anyway? It's not like you will be moving your pc around.
[21:00] <simonlc> has anyone sucessfully compiled quake3 on arch?
[21:00] <hamitron> piless_, lies!
[21:01] <hamitron> most people move their PC every week
[21:01] <hamitron> don't they? ;/
[21:01] <simonlc> I keep getting errors about bcm host when I try to run the bins someone posted, or when I try to compile the game
[21:01] <piless_> I dunno, I don't have a pc.
[21:02] <mkopack> hehe, I haven't moved my 2009 Mac pro since it arrived in April 2009??? GD thing weighs like 80 lbs
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[21:02] <hamitron> hehe
[21:02] <piless_> mkopack: these mac pros have such beautiful insides
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> sugru is sort of permanent though :)
[21:02] <mkopack> That they do??? I LOVE that case...
[21:02] <piless_> bluetack it is then
[21:02] <mkopack> I can access a HD or RAM in < 30 seconds if I need to
[21:03] <hamitron> so can I.... got them organised into boxes
[21:03] <hamitron> ;)
[21:03] <hamitron> or you mean inside your machine?
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[21:03] <mkopack> inside
[21:03] <hamitron> :-o
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> you may be able to use sugru to make a mould - ie. put in on the 4 corners and then the base, then remove the pi before it sets.
[21:03] <piless_> I've ordered my pi, an sd, a charger, a case. Anything else? I've already got a hdmi cable and tv
[21:03] <hamitron> takes me about 2 mins to unplug all the cables to get it out
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> piless_, USB hub.
[21:04] <hamitron> will hdmi to dvi work with a monitor?
[21:04] <piless_> gordonDrogon: Plenty of those.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> hamitron, yes. that's what I do
[21:04] <hamitron> thank god, forgot I had no hdmi display
[21:04] <hamitron> :D
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> piless_, best with a powered hub - the on-board USBs are a bit weedy.
[21:05] <piless_> gordonDrogon: I've got one of these babies, http://www.firewire.co.uk/trust-10-port-usb-20-power-hub/
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> piless_, doesn't saw what spec. the PSU is...
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> piless_, I'm powering in my Pi from my hub - one less PSU to use.
[21:07] <mkopack> gordon: Yeah, I need to try that as well...
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> piless_, see http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess3.jpg
[21:07] <dmsuse> according to the wiki you shouldn't connect the pi to anything higher than 2amp....
[21:07] <mkopack> I have a 7 port??? so 1 for the Rpi, 2 for the SSD USB HD, 1 for KB, 1 for mouse, and still have 2 left for joystick or whatever.
[21:08] <mkopack> dmsuse: draw, or supply?
[21:08] <dmsuse> supply
[21:08] <dmsuse> i think
[21:09] <mkopack> Hmm. k
[21:09] <piless_> mkopack: that ssd is going to be sooooo slow
[21:09] <mkopack> I also need to get around to soldering in the expansion headers on my Pandaboard so I can hook up USB 3+4
[21:09] <mkopack> piless: nah, faster than the SD card will be
[21:09] <mkopack> Now, granted it won't be the full performance of the SSD.
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> the amp capacity of the PSU supplying is is irrelevant.
[21:10] <mkopack> but jesus, it's HARD to find a SMALL, CHEAP SATA 2.5" HD these days
[21:10] <piless_> it will get depressed and kill itself
[21:10] <piless_> mkopack: thailand
[21:10] <mkopack> Smallest the local stores carry are like 320GB and they want nearly $100 for them
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> mkopack, why not just get a small SSD ?
[21:10] <mkopack> I got the SSD's (32GB) for $29 after MIR
[21:10] <piless_> They still haven't recovered from the flooding in october
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[21:10] <mkopack> and then another $9 for the USB enclosure
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[21:11] <mkopack> gordon that's what I did
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[21:11] <piless_> gordonDrogon: I've got one of those aswell, http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41dbI10blGL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
[21:11] <D34TH> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=557372&sku=O261-8201
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> cheap in the UK: http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Storage/Hard+Drives+-+Internal/2.5+Inch+SATA+Drives/?p=cF9zdHlsZT0mcF9wcm9kdWN0c1BlclBhZ2U9Jg==
[21:12] <D34TH> 120 gb ssd, 90 usd
[21:12] <mkopack> I figured 32GB is PLENTY for linux for what I'm doing
[21:12] <anish> I agree ^
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> I built a new desktop for myself recently - used a 64GB SSD.
[21:13] <piless_> I remember when 2.5" 500gb were under ??50
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[21:13] <mkopack> So I got 1 for the panda board and 1 for one of the RPi's. The other 2 RPi's will be fine on SD cards for what I'm using them for
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> Did one for my wife 6 months back - used a 32GB SSD for her.
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> We do have a nice home server though - for big stuff like photos, etc.
[21:13] <piless_> you could always make an ssd out of 2 compact flash cards
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> /dev/sda1 56G 14G 40G 27% /
[21:14] <markus> piless_: how?
[21:14] <piless_> markus: http://alpha.akihabaranews.com/wp-content/uploads/images/5/65/13265//SSD_sdb25cf.jpg
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> nooooo... don't do it....
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[21:16] <piless_> mkopack: the great thing about ssds is that you can wave them about when they're running and scare the shit out of IT guys
[21:16] <IT_Sean> :p
[21:16] <mkopack> Yeah.. well, that's the other thing - since I plan to use my RPi+Panda for robotics, the fact that the drives use low power and no moving parts is a BIG plug
[21:16] <mkopack> plus
[21:17] <piless_> why does it need 2 usb slots if it's low power?
[21:17] <mkopack> It actually doesn't???
[21:17] <piless_> you said 2 for the ssd
[21:17] <mkopack> The cable has 2 ports on it, but I was able to run using just the 1
[21:17] <mkopack> I forgot that I only needed to use the 1 for the SSD
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[21:18] <mkopack> I ws just thinking about the cable
[21:19] <mkopack> In fact, the 1 SSD I bought actually uses quite a lot when writing??? didn't realize that when I bought it. The other one I ordered yesterday uses only about 1W when writing and < .5W when idle
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[21:19] <gordonDrogon> 1W at 5V is 100mA - max on a USB port without power negotiation...
[21:21] <piless_> gordonDrogon: Wouldn't the usb hub perform the same as a usb mains plug and give you 1A+
[21:23] <gurgalof> gordonDrogon, 1W at 5V is 200mA
[21:23] <gurgalof> not 100mA
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> gurgalof, oops got my sums a bit wrong there!
[21:23] <dmsuse> pwnt
[21:24] <mkopack> was gonna say that didn't look right :)
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[21:24] <gordonDrogon> piless_, yes - if I think thats what you mean :) However you still need to connect a lead from the USB hub to the Pi's power socket as the USB sockets are current limited by the fuse...
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> so it's even worse - 200ma needed - so it can't be powered directly off the Pi...
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[21:29] <mkopack> eh, i try not to power ANYTHING off the Pi
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[21:29] <mkopack> just safer not to even bother trying
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[21:30] <gordonDrogon> I'm trying the URF USB module powered off the Pi again - lets see if it crashes again...
[21:30] <piless_> surely a bluetooth/wifi dongle would be okay powered off the pi?
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> wifi maybe not...
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> bt - possibly...
[21:30] <mkopack> piless: Not net??? Those CAN pull a lot of power if they're searching for signal
[21:30] <piless_> damn
[21:31] <piless_> So if I planned to intergrate either of these into a case then I would need to intergrate a hub aswell?
[21:31] <mkopack> POWERED hub. yes
[21:31] <IT_Sean> Aye
[21:31] <mkopack> I would to be safe
[21:32] <mkopack> Either that or check the power requirement specs on the dongle before you buy and find one that fits in under the power budget
[21:32] <piless_> IT_Sean: Is that what you're going to do with your wooden box?
[21:33] <IT_Sean> My build will include a powered hub. There are two plans floating around in my head right now, but, i do not plan to power anything major off the Pi. The Pi/s onboard USB will be used for a mouse & keyboard only.
[21:36] <mkopack> IT_Sean: won't you need 1 of the 2 USB ports to go to the USB Hub?
[21:36] <IT_Sean> ah, yes.
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[21:36] <IT_Sean> My point was that nothing more than a mouse or keyboard would be powered off the pi
[21:36] <piless_> you could stick a bluetooth dongle on and connect both mouse and keyboard off that
[21:36] <IT_Sean> I also plan to see if i can do data leads only on the USB line from the Pi to the Hub
[21:37] <mkopack> 1 hour till quitting time...
[21:37] <IT_Sean> bit less than 1.5 hours for me
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[21:43] <heeen> I ordered my RP two moths ago - are those in production yet or when are those going to ship?
[21:43] <piless_> mkopack: do you work in the research triangle?
[21:43] <Syliss> anyone tried batteries on the pi yet?
[21:43] <piless_> Syliss: car batteries should give you 11 hours or so
[21:43] <Syliss> lol
[21:44] <piless_> that wasn't a joke
[21:44] <mkopack> Piless: No, that's in NC, I'm in GA..
[21:44] <Syliss> oh i know, i was talking more like aa's and what not
[21:44] <heeen> depends on the load
[21:44] <Syliss> well at least i have an hdmi cable just for my pi now
[21:45] <des2> heen have you gotten an estimated date ?
[21:45] <piless_> Syliss: Does it have a ferrite bead?
[21:45] <Syliss> no
[21:45] <Syliss> i used it last week to test the pi and it was fine
[21:45] <piless_> Syliss: get one with a ferrite bead, you may be flooding your house with deadly radiation
[21:46] <Syliss> meh
[21:46] <Syliss> i have more then enough 'deadly radiation' going on as it is
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[21:47] <piless_> unshielded hdmi cables is going to be the next asbestos
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[21:47] <frelleck> what is RaspberryPi?
[21:47] <DaQatz> A dessert naturally.
[21:48] <frelleck> oh :)
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[21:48] <piless_> frelleck: http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[21:48] <frelleck> hm, I might want to get one of those
[21:49] <frelleck> when is it going to come out?
[21:49] <piless_> tomorrow
[21:49] <frelleck> cool
[21:49] <piless_> there is a waiting list though
[21:49] <Syliss> oh yeah
[21:49] <piless_> so unless you signed up 2 months ago then you'll be waiting a while
[21:49] <frelleck> well, I can wait a few weeks
[21:50] <Syliss> more like months
[21:50] <frelleck> the big question of course is whether or not you can IRC using it
[21:50] <Syliss> of course you can
[21:50] <piless_> you cannot irc with itt
[21:50] <frelleck> hm, we seem to have a difference of opinion here
[21:50] <piless_> irc needs 200mbit, the pi can only do 100mbit
[21:51] <Syliss> ?_?
[21:51] <Matt> piless_: you're back :)
[21:51] <frelleck> guess you'll have to wait for the Raspberry2pi to do that
[21:51] <piless_> Matt: I am
[21:51] <Syliss> hmm, i should try openelec
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[21:51] <piless_> Syliss: There's tutorials all over the place
[21:52] <Syliss> yep
[21:52] <piless_> there's also a built image hidden away on their website somewhere
[21:52] <Syliss> yeah i one or 2
[21:53] <piless_> Syliss: http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/
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[21:53] <IT_Sean> frelleck: it's out now. Been out for months. There is a long wait list for it
[21:53] <piless_> Obviously a troll
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[21:54] <IT_Sean> Ah, yes. I just read scrollback.
[21:54] <IT_Sean> Was afk
[21:54] <piless_> shame on you, doing work when at work
[21:55] <IT_Sean> Though, guys... don't feed the trolls. It only encourages them. Alert a member of staff, and the troll shall be removed to an undisclosed location.
[21:56] <piless_> He wasn't doing any harm.
[21:57] <IT_Sean> True. I just wanted to use my undisclosed location line. :p
[21:58] <piless_> wow I wish this was my desk, http://i.imgur.com/UypVt.jpg
[21:58] <heeen> hm says it will get shipped by end of june
[21:59] <piless_> heeen: well there's your answer
[22:00] <simonlc> un even surface, not fun to work on
[22:00] <IT_Sean> aye. Needs a glass top.
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[22:00] <simonlc> noooooo
[22:00] <IT_Sean> yeeeeees
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[22:01] <simonlc> glass is so tacky
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir> My Lego pieces has shipped.
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir> ^_^
[22:01] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: As a case?
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir> It will be when I'm done, yea.
[22:02] <simonlc> I'm making a steel case:D
[22:02] <nid0> hey, dont knock my black glass desk :(
[22:02] <GabrialDestruir> The issue with your black glass desk..... is one wrong drop
[22:02] <piless_> the whole point of a lego case is that it's just something temporary made from your kids lego, if you went to the effort to actually order them couldn't you have bought a much better case?
[22:02] <GabrialDestruir> and it all shatters
[22:02] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[22:02] <nid0> no it doesnt
[22:03] <GabrialDestruir> Oh right .-.
[22:03] <nid0> this is a massively strong surface
[22:03] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: tempered glass then
[22:03] <GabrialDestruir> Tempered glass
[22:03] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[22:03] <simonlc> do you want me to post pics?
[22:03] <GabrialDestruir> I'm going with legos as a case because A) They're just awesome. B) It allows me to customize the case however I want.
[22:04] <piless_> it'll look shit
[22:04] <GabrialDestruir> Not it won't.
[22:04] * IT_Sean used to have a 13 inch diameter solid glass sphere. Heavy as [censored] but looked really neat when the light hit it. 'till my dingleberry roommate knocked it out a 3rd floor window in college.
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[22:04] * IT_Sean made a brilliant sound when it hit the parking lot
[22:04] <piless_> it won't fit properly, the pi will rattle around inside
[22:04] <IT_Sean> :/
[22:04] <GabrialDestruir> AGain.... No it won't.
[22:04] <simonlc> http://farm1.staticflickr.com/1/1104535_3ccd086305_o.jpg
[22:04] <simonlc> http://wvs.topleftpixel.com/photos/2009/11/optix_broken_glass_table_01.jpg
[22:05] <GabrialDestruir> It's actually possible to design a lego case in which the pi is secure and won't rattle around.
[22:05] <mkopack> Explain those to your home owners insurance!
[22:05] <piless_> simonlc: I think it broke because of the terrible chair
[22:05] <simonlc> lol
[22:05] <GabrialDestruir> Which horrible chair? xD
[22:06] <GabrialDestruir> they were both pretty bad.
[22:06] <simonlc> tempered glass shatters if you hit the sides
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[22:06] <piless_> simonlc: surround it with a metal frame then
[22:06] <IT_Sean> wood > metal
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[22:07] <nid0> http://i47.tinypic.com/15gzhua.jpg (excuse the shit quality) is my desk circa 3 years ago in my old place
[22:07] <nid0> still going strong
[22:07] <piless_> I disagree
[22:07] <piless_> pine looks like ass
[22:07] <GabrialDestruir> Or you could just avoid the whole glass desk bit
[22:07] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: gtfo
[22:07] <IT_Sean> Guys... please... read the topic. language. Piless, you've been warned several times. I saw a sh!t earlier from you.
[22:07] <ShiftPlusOne> nid0, language
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[22:08] <piless_> what's up with that guys 2nd monitor?
[22:08] <nid0> ?
[22:09] <simonlc> yeah wood frame would be better
[22:09] <piless_> simonlc: you're only saying that because you feel threatened
[22:09] <simonlc> of?
[22:09] <piless_> simonlc: mister IT_Sean
[22:10] <GabrialDestruir> I think it's time to find a new power source for my Pi before it shorts out my Ooma .-.
[22:10] <simonlc> no, the metal has more chances of hitting the glass hard and shattering it
[22:10] <piless_> whats an ooma and why would it short out?
[22:11] <des2> Don't short your ooma!
[22:11] <GabrialDestruir> A couple of times I've plugged my Pi in and the Ooma restarted .-.
[22:11] <GabrialDestruir> which I can only take as a bad sign
[22:11] <piless_> take it as a sign to rma your ooma
[22:11] <[SLB]> digitalblasphemy mushrooms ftw
[22:13] <simonlc> what's the root pw on debian img?
[22:13] <nid0> there isnt one set
[22:13] <nid0> the account's disabled
[22:13] <simonlc> ah
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[22:13] <chris_99> sudo passwd root, should let you set one simonlc
[22:14] <simonlc> thanks
[22:14] <piless_> what's with the "to internet" and "home network"? Why can't they just label them wlan and lan like a normal product
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[22:15] <simonlc> cause that makes no sense to a normal human
[22:16] <GabrialDestruir> It's to confuse the masses.
[22:16] <GabrialDestruir> Like
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[22:16] <GabrialDestruir> "Phone" and "Line"
[22:16] <IT_Sean> I hate that
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[22:17] <simonlc> http://i.imgur.com/T9Y3E.jpg
[22:17] <simonlc> that's my super awesome desk
[22:17] <simonlc> ikea
[22:17] <piless> your clock is wrong
[22:18] <simonlc> that's not from today
[22:18] <piless> it's still wrong
[22:18] <piless> what's the aspect ratio on the right monitor?
[22:18] <simonlc> what is wrong about it?
[22:19] <piless> the time is 21:17 not 18;21
[22:19] <simonlc> no idea actually
[22:19] <piless> *31
[22:19] <IT_Sean> I think you will find that it is, actually, 4.18 pm
[22:19] <simonlc> it's either 4:3, or 5:3
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[22:20] <piless> or 5:4
[22:20] <simonlc> typo
[22:20] <GabrialDestruir> I think you'll find that in fact it is 1:18pm
[22:20] <simonlc> I have two keyboards hooked up atm, very akward
[22:20] <IT_Sean> No, i don't think so.
[22:20] <IT_Sean> Quite clearly, my clock says 4.19pm
[22:20] <piless> if it's 1:18 pm then why is it getting dark outside?
[22:21] <simonlc> guys
[22:21] <simonlc> !g timezones
[22:21] <GabrialDestruir> Well I didn't very well say it was 1:18pm there now did I?
[22:21] <PiBot> simonlc: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ - "The World Clock ??? Time Zones"
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[22:21] <johang> solar eclipse?!
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[22:21] <piless> simonlc: bst is the only time the world needs
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[22:21] <bentech> Hey, I'm messing around on a raspberry pi trying to get a usb driver for something, they manufacture supplies a Android driver would that work?
[22:22] <simonlc> bst? I've never even heard of that time zone
[22:22] <bentech> British standard time
[22:22] <piless> simonlc: it's the best timezone
[22:22] <bentech> Or Best
[22:22] <piless> bentech: british summer time actually
[22:22] <bentech> oh yeah
[22:22] <bentech> stupid me
[22:22] <simonlc> I thought you guys used gmt?
[22:22] <piless> british standard time is gmt
[22:22] <bentech> only in winter
[22:23] <piless> bst is gmt + 1
[22:23] <simonlc> well, I've only heard people say gmt, not bst
[22:23] <piless> but we don't like to say gmt + 1, because then we'd be french, so we say bst
[22:23] <chris_99> heh
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[22:23] <bentech> they use +2
[22:23] <GabrialDestruir> I think you'll find that it is in fact.... @890.beats
[22:24] <bentech> so they get more daylight ;(
[22:24] <mjr> bentech, considering all the standard libraries are different in a GNU/Linux system than an Android system, and your manufacturer-provided Android driver is likely to be proprietary (bringing ABI and target subarchitecture questions into the mix), it's a bit doubtful. If their driver happens to be free software, there's more of a chance to get it to work though.
[22:24] <piless> oh yeah, silly continential europe and their feeble attempt to unify their timezones
[22:24] <bentech> its the FTDI D2XX Driver
[22:24] <mjr> bentech, oh and it would be useful to mention this "something"
[22:25] <bentech> I thought as they were both Arm it might work
[22:25] <IT_Sean> nyet
[22:25] <bentech> http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/D2XX.htm
[22:26] <piless> bentech: It might work if you had the source, but it's doubtful a simple copying and paste would work
[22:26] <bentech> So i have to install windows CE 6?
[22:26] <bentech> Because there is no way I'm doing that
[22:26] <piless> why?
[22:26] <piless> win ce 6 is the best win ce
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[22:26] <bentech> oh i nothing much i just hate all microsoft products
[22:26] <GabrialDestruir> Internet Time is totally dying.
[22:26] <GabrialDestruir> -sighs-
[22:26] <IT_Sean> That's like saying that horse poop is the best poop. It's still poop.
[22:27] <_Mikie_> Evening/Morning, I'm looking for some beginners documentation on how to properly wire/use GPIO pins from the hardware side? I don't want to short anything!
[22:27] <piless> IT_Sean: The bigger the animal the less effiencient their digestive system and so the better their poop as fertilizer
[22:27] <simonlc> what's a good way to remove all these useless packages on debian? I can even install quake 3
[22:27] <piless> elephant poop is the best
[22:27] <mjr> it seems to be a libusb driver, which would be encouraging if it were free software. The binary, doubtful to work.
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[22:28] <bentech> i install the python libusb driver
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[22:28] <bentech> not sure what the differences would be
[22:31] <bentech> I never understand why usb support seems so lacking, compared to e.g. Ethernet
[22:31] <des2> Ethernet is a bit older.
[22:31] <bentech> i guess
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> _Mikie_, what are you going to do with them?
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> oh, and to add to the "poop" conversation, I find "Zoo Poo" to be the best ;-)
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> http://tuckers-seeds.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=673
[22:33] <simonlc> how do I remove the dependancies that come are linked to deb pkgs?
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> simonlc, you sort of can't - that's what they're dependancies - one thing depends on another...
[22:34] <_Mikie_> gordonDrogon : Nothing planned yet, but once I understand how they work I plan on using quick2wire's python library to control them
[22:34] <simonlc> well I want to remove the main one
[22:34] <simonlc> and it's dependancies
[22:34] <bentech> I install the recommended img on my pi is it meant to be a graphical interface or not?
[22:34] <simonlc> do I run autoremove afterwards?
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> _Mikie_, well they're just 3.3v signals ...
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> bentech, login, type 'startx' and off you go...
[22:35] <bentech> ah cool
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> simonlc, yes, apt-get autoremove ... it mosrly works :)
[22:35] <bentech> i actually wasn't expecting that
[22:35] <simonlc> ok
[22:35] <tech2077> is anyone running xserver in arch
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, is anyone else running arch ....
[22:36] <_Mikie_> gordonDrogon : So I can turn a relay on with it and then go from there pretty much?
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> _Mikie_, no - there's not enough oomph in them for that.
[22:36] <simonlc> someone told me to use aptitude, seems to do the work for me
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> yea, there are several different ways to do it...
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> _Mikie_, have you done anything like this before?
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> _Mikie_, arduino, etc. ?
[22:37] <simonlc> I'm an arch user, so not used to all the debian crazyness
[22:37] <_Mikie_> gordonDrogon : Negative, that's why I'm asking for some reference so I can learn :)
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> _Mikie_, a-ha ... well maybe read something on simple digital electronics...
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> although I don't know what to suggest though - I've been doing this stuff for what seems like forever ...
[22:38] <_Mikie_> gordonDrogon : Thanks I'll do that
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> _Mikie_, have you got your Pi yet?
[22:39] <piless> http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_Easy_GPIO_Hardware_%26_Software
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[22:39] <_Mikie_> gordonDrogon : I do indeed
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> _Mikie_, ok - a breadboard system of any sort?
[22:40] <_Mikie_> gordonDrogon : Yes got a mini one of those too
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[22:40] <piless> http://www.scriptoriumdesigns.com/embedded/index.php
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> ok. good start :)
[22:40] <piless> https://www.circuitlab.com/
[22:42] <bentech> any video players that use the gnu on the pi yet?
[22:42] <bentech> *gpu
[22:42] <piless> bentech: depends on the codec
[22:42] <bentech> mpg
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[22:43] <piless> miles per gallon?
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[22:43] <bentech> MPEG-2
[22:43] <_Mikie_> Thanks
[22:44] <piless> MPEG-2 isn't licensed, so no.
[22:44] <bentech> which codecs can be used?
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[22:45] <piless> not many
[22:45] <bentech> mkv?
[22:45] <mjr> it's not a codec
[22:45] <chronic1> I think mkv is just a container.
[22:45] <bentech> oh
[22:45] <mjr> mpeg-4 asp and avc (h264)
[22:46] <chronic1> h264 is a codec.... which is often contained in a mkv file
[22:46] <chronic1> correct?
[22:46] <chronic1> (still learning)
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[22:46] <piless> yup
[22:47] <bentech> oh, well i only have mpeg-2s
[22:48] <piless> as do most people, and live tv
[22:48] <piless> it sucks
[22:48] <bentech> It will be possible at some point though?
[22:49] <piless> bentech: the foundation said a while back that they may offer an upgrade package for these wanting extra codecs
[22:49] <johang> well, it might be possible to decode mpeg2 on the CPU
[22:49] <bentech> just software?
[22:49] <piless> bentech: But at the moment, they are just too expensive
[22:49] <johang> yes
[22:50] <bentech> oh when you said "isn't licensed" you meant is?
[22:50] <johang> isn't licensed for hardware accelerated decoding
[22:50] <johang> you can still install ffmpeg and decode on CPU
[22:50] <bentech> oh well
[22:51] <tech2077> are there any players other than xbmc
[22:51] <IT_Sean> but cpu decoding is going to be... ... sub-optimal
[22:51] <piless> apparently the mimium purchase order for some of these codecs is in the millions and they aren't transferable licenses.
[22:51] <tech2077> xbmc is too bulky for what it want
[22:51] <johang> IT_Sean: mpeg2 is not that CPU intensive as h264
[22:51] <piless> tech2077: too bulky?!?!? openelec is the lightest distro available!
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[22:51] <bentech> in theory though, what would you need to run the codec anyway?
[22:51] <piless> better cpu
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[22:52] <bentech> They would have to recompile the source for the gnu?
[22:52] <bentech> *gpu
[22:52] <bentech> stupid auto correct
[22:52] <piless> we don't have the gpu source
[22:52] <piless> it's all binary blobs
[22:52] <johang> to run yet unlicensed stuff on the GPU you probably need some other broadcom customer to break their contracts
[22:52] <bentech> not the gpu i meant the mpeg2 codec
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[22:53] <johang> bentech: to run the mpeg2 codec on the CPU is just a couple of debian packages away.
[22:53] <tech2077> piless, ontop of another distro, just xbmc is bulky, i just want a player, not a media server
[22:53] <piless> johang: well eben works for broadcom, I bet he could do it
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[22:53] <johang> piless: ... :)
[22:53] <bentech> oh so its firmware that is needed
[22:53] <IT_Sean> Yeah, but he is probably contractually bound not to
[22:53] <piless> tech2077: 70mb is no way bulky
[22:54] <tech2077> compared to avplay or mplayer, yes
[22:54] <piless> IT_Sean: Who cares about contracts and nda's.
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[22:54] <johang> eben probably has tons of NDAs and agreements with broadcom regarding raspberry pi
[22:54] <bentech> i thought the kernel etc was opensource
[22:54] <johang> the GPU stuff is not open source for various reasons
[22:54] <bentech> of course the linux kernel is
[22:54] <piless> tech2077: you're comparing a whole OS to a single player
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[22:55] <IT_Sean> Nothing in any way relating to the GPU is open source
[22:55] <bentech> I didn't think the chip had that much coding in it
[22:55] <bentech> or any
[22:55] * IT_Sean is going home
[22:55] <bentech> So this arm chip has its own firmware?
[22:55] <piless> They should have gone with texas instruments
[22:56] <piless> TI made the SoC for the galaxy nexus
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[22:56] <bentech> i shouldn't say arm there
[22:56] <bentech> i know they just do the vlsi stuff mainly
[22:56] <mjr> it would be nice if somebody with the Pi actually tried mpeg2 playback on the ARM core, and commented on it to leave less room for speculation. I'm not very hopeful that it'll be useful.
[22:56] <johang> omap4 is probably expensive
[22:56] <piless> gordonDrogon: OI
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> I susepect it would have not been possible to use anything other than a Broadcom system on chimp as they all work for Broadcom...
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[22:57] <piless> gordonDrogon: Go try out some MPEG-2 on your pi
[22:57] <friggle> gordonDrogon: they don't all work for Broadcom
[22:57] <ReggieUK> well, that and broadcom gave them very reasonable price break
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> piless, er, I have no audio on my Pi.
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> friggle, ok - the majority?
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> piless, I have no mpeg-2 files to play...
[22:57] <piless> The raspberry pi foundation is just a scam for broadcom to offload all their old SoCs onto idiot consumers
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> piless, seems to be working if that's the case...
[22:58] <friggle> gordonDrogon: 1 of the 6 trustees do. Though yes, Gert, Dom etc are Broadcom employees of course
[22:58] <bentech> I will try mpeg-2
[22:58] <bentech> as i got mine today :) :)
[22:58] <bentech> i have a spare redemption code with RS if anyone is intrested
[22:58] <piless> bentech: document everything
[22:58] <bentech> farnell came first
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[22:59] <bentech> Is there a wiki?
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[23:00] <piless> elinux
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> bentech, yes - http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard
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[23:04] <tech2077> bentech, i have a friend thats interested
[23:04] <anish> bentech: I'll take it if he won't
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[23:04] <bentech> sorry too late, someone PMed me :(
[23:04] <tech2077> :/
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> should have just bought it :)
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> I did...
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[23:05] <piless> ?
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[23:11] <Syliss> anyone using osx?
[23:11] <bentech> I am
[23:11] <Syliss> have you built openelec?
[23:12] <bentech> no, sorry
[23:12] <anish> Syliss: how does it feel do buy a computer for $25 instead of $1025 ?
[23:12] <Syliss> ?
[23:12] <Syliss> anish: i got my mbp for free
[23:12] <anish> nice
[23:12] <Syliss> so shush
[23:12] <anish> make that $1625
[23:12] <Syliss> yeah
[23:13] <bentech> Im migrating my stuff currently
[23:13] <Syliss> its a 2008 mbp, preunibody
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[23:13] <bentech> unibody was late 2007
[23:13] <Syliss> bentech: no
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[23:14] <nick_> Hi
[23:14] <bentech> yes i bought mine in 2007 and it is unibody
[23:14] <nick_> Can anyone with a working Pi help me debug mine?
[23:14] <Syliss> it was dead, friend gave it to me, apple fixed main board free out of warranty
[23:14] <Syliss> bentech: no, the unibody macbook pro's came out late 2008
[23:14] <bentech> http://support.apple.com/kb/SP13
[23:15] <Syliss> thats not unibody
[23:15] <Syliss> unibody has black keys
[23:17] <nick_> I just tried to boot up for the first time but my projector isn't seeing any input.
[23:17] <nick_> (my projector is connected using composite video)
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[23:17] <piless> nick_: have you tried turning it off and on again?
[23:17] <bentech> i guess im wrong
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[23:18] <nick_> Yes, I've power cycled a few time
[23:18] <nick_> s
[23:18] <nick_> The power LED is on, but I can't see any other signs of life.
[23:19] <bentech> what player can i use for cpu mpeg-2 playback?
[23:19] <bentech> vlc?
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[23:20] <bentech> ill use mplayer
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[23:25] <nick_> Is there anything I can do to narrow down where the problem is?
[23:27] <bentech> have you got a SD card with the img on it?
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[23:27] <nick_> Yes
[23:28] <bentech> sounds like sd card issues
[23:28] <nick_> Is there a check I can do on the SD card?
[23:28] <Syliss> do you have any other sd cards?
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[23:29] <nick_> I have a spare 2 gig one
[23:29] <bentech> did you use the windows program?
[23:29] <nick_> No
[23:29] <nick_> I don't run windows
[23:29] <bentech> linux dd?
[23:29] <nick_> yes
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[23:30] <bentech> im not sure
[23:30] <simonlc> I really dislike this debian img from the site
[23:31] <nick_> Hmm
[23:31] <nick_> My computer no longer mounts the sd card
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[23:32] <nick_> Is that bad?
[23:32] <bentech> MPEG-2 is actually not too bad, only 15FPS though
[23:32] <bentech> this is from a dvb-s stream
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[23:34] <bentech> no sound though
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[23:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Pi does make a good ethernet shield for the Arduino, run the IDE via ssh -X and dev remotely, yay
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> ssh -X has a lot of overhead - in the encryption. I've noticed my Pi spending 95% cpu just running ssh )-:
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[23:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: yeah, it's chuggy
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> add -cblowfish to make it a little bit easier on the cpu.
[23:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> But my webstats say 5% cpu, I think they might be a bit wrong
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> perhaps it depends on the application - I'm running an SDL application and I suspect it's copying the entire framebuffer every time.
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> I'm running top...
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[23:43] <gordonDrogon> 18289 root 20 0 10344 3232 2388 S 46.9 1.4 0:37.30 sshd
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[23:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> top is quantum, it uses more CPU :D
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> haha...
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[23:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> top was the 4th process down :D
[23:47] <Syliss> yey have xbmc running on the pi
[23:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've got to work out how to create an arduino serial forwarder now :)
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[23:49] <gordonDrogon> to forward it to what?
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[23:50] <eXiLe> hi
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> hi
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, doh - I have a light sensor on an arduino and I'm wondering why I'm getting odd results from it - just had a "doh" moment and realise it's close enough to an LED on a new shield I've added which is blinking...
[23:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Hahaha, excellent!
[23:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> Bring on the electrical tape!
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> well ultimately the sensor will be far away, however it's fine for now!
[23:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I aim to replicate your Piduino setup for giggles, and to see if it's worth me getting my own Arduino
[23:53] <Syliss> cool, 1080p runs great on openelec
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> I'm playing with XRF/URF modules - have my Pi talking to the Arduino via a wireless interface...
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> Syliss, is openelec a while distro replacement or just an app. that will run under Debian?
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[23:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oo, shiny you've gone wireless
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> yea :)
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[23:54] <gordonDrogon> in theory I can use it to reprogram the arduino too, but I don't need that functionality.
[23:55] <Syliss> gordonDrogon: i think its own thing, I installed it via an image someone dumped
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> I have an arduino that'll be part of a weather station
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> Syliss, ok. might have a look at some point then.
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[23:55] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/fsc2.jpg
[23:55] <Syliss> gordonDrogon: if you want the img ill find it for you to dl
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[23:57] <gordonDrogon> Syliss, I found this link to google code: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7VekVaax4KiNC1OTnBraDJhaHM/edit?pli=1
[23:57] <Syliss> maybe?
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> 106MB..
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> Looks like an entire image...
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> not tonight!
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> I don't have sound output anyway.
[23:58] <Syliss> I'm using this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/889043/openelec.img.torrent
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[23:59] <Syliss> the image is almost 2gb
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[23:59] <gordonDrogon> Hm. right - it is an entire image then :)
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> must re-install the bt client I was using on my last PC...
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> wonder what I was...
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