#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-05-24

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[0:01] <gordonDrogon> transmission, that was it.
[0:02] <Syliss> i use utorrent, love it
[0:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Bah, sent the Arduino a character over serial and it gets the ASCII code, boo!
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[0:02] <gordonDrogon> huh?
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> don't you want it to get the ascii code?
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> that's what a 'character' is ...
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> (well, utf8 excepted)
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[0:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah, but I'm lazy and didn't want to convert it back to a character for display on the LCD
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> what are you actually doing?
[0:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I have an Arduno with a cheap LCD shield hooked up via USB
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[0:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm opening a serial connection on the arduino, polling it, and throwing the results straight onto the LCD
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> so your pressing A on the keyboard and 65 is appearing on the LCD?
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[0:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> Weird???
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> ?
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> lost your connection?
[0:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> the disconnect I just experienced
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[0:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> (char)ascii works nicely :D
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[0:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> Now I just need to buffer the characters and scroll them across the LCD in a more graceful way
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> well my Pi has been running the urf wireless module for an hour or 2 now without a crash... wonder if it'll keep going overnight...
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> So this isn't your Arduino your playing with?
[0:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Nope, it's a colleague's
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[0:12] <Liquid_Fire> hi, does anyone know if the ethernet on the RPi becomes powered immediately when the RPI is, or if it needs to boot first
[0:12] <Liquid_Fire> basically i've connected it to my laptop but the lights on the laptop's ethernet port aren't lighting up, it says nothing's connected
[0:13] <Liquid_Fire> i don't have an external monitor so i'm trying to set it up for ssh blindly..
[0:13] <gordonDrogon> that's probably to be expected until the Pi is booted.
[0:13] <gordonDrogon> is your laptop providing an IP via DHCP?
[0:13] <Liquid_Fire> well it would be, but it doesn't even get to that part - the laptop reports the network cable is unplugged
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> and I'm not sure if the Pi's adapter is auto cross-over...
[0:14] <mjr> I would expect that the ethernet device needs to actually be initialized by the driver before it raises the link
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> if your laptop isn't, then you might need a crossover cable...
[0:14] <Liquid_Fire> i am using a crossover cable
[0:14] <mjr> but lacking hardware, I don't know for sure
[0:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Liquid_Fire: it's not too hard blindly, just type accurately: pi raspberry sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[0:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> Assuming you mean you've got a keyboard hooked up :D
[0:15] <Liquid_Fire> Gadgetoid_Air: i don't have a usb keyboard either, unfortunately
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> Oddly enough I had that problem last weekend -
[0:15] <Syliss> lol
[0:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> Liquid_Fire: errr, then you're boned unless you have some way of connecting to it via serial
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> tried to get my Pi going - I did get it going eventually, but for the first 2 or 3 power cycles of the Pi, the laptop didn't see the Pi.
[0:15] <Liquid_Fire> well i tried to modify the image to start ssh by default
[0:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> IE: you can't ssh in to start ssh without ssh, unless you mount your SD card and tweak the rootfs manually
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> even without ssh, it ought to be pingable, and visible on the Ether.
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> try without a x-cable :)
[0:16] <Liquid_Fire> yeah i will if i can find one
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> I used a straight through cable at the weekend and it worked OK, but I think my laptop has an auto sensing adapter
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> I had to manually configure the ethernet port on the laptop and run a dhcp server on it.
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[0:18] <Liquid_Fire> might as well try it with the default image, in case i messed my custom one up somehow
[0:18] <Liquid_Fire> i'll be able to at least see if ethernet/dhcp is working
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[0:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> Liquid_Fire: you're definitely living on the wild side, there, good luck!
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[0:24] <friggle> Liquid_Fire: Gadgetoid_Air: you can easily enable ssh by renaming one of the files in /boot in the standard debian image
[0:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> friggle: ohrly!?
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit of a hack and they provided a commands for it.
[0:25] <friggle> yes, we did think about that :) it's just now well documented.
[0:25] <friggle> gordonDrogon: it's a solution, not a hack! ;)
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> but really, it should not have been installed in the first place as it means that every Pi has the same host keys )-:
[0:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> a simple apt-get install sshd would have been better.
[0:26] <friggle> gordonDrogon: you can install it fine, just need to remove host keys and ensure they get generated when sshd is first started
[0:26] <friggle> which is what the new image does
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> friggle, this I have done.
[0:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder if that means someone could hack my pishared :D
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> what new image? There's a 4th Debian?
[0:27] <friggle> gordonDrogon: just the wheezy image I've been hacking on. github.com/asb/spindle for build scripts
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> ah, this is the raspbian image?
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[0:27] <friggle> the current one is getting old and it's time for a new release soon. I'm hoping wheezy is stable enough
[0:27] <friggle> gordonDrogon: no, armel wheezy
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> oh. ok
[0:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Eeep, I might have to resize my hard disk and add a wheezy partition!
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> Not personally intersted though. with the exception of raspbian, I've nver run a Debian other than "stable".
[0:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" and so forth
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> although I do occasionally use backports - to get libroffice into squeeze on my desktop...
[0:29] <friggle> yes, I suppose a cleaned up squeeze needs to go out too
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> a-ha, it's crashed.
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> bother.
[0:30] <tech2077> Gadgetoid_Air, why not do nfs boot
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> hang on, no it's not...
[0:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> tech2077: 'cos dual booting a Pi might be cool :D
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> hm. it's started again.
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> this is bonkers.
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> the wireless link from arduino to pi just stopped for 30 seconds.
[0:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder if I can find a caching proxy that will work with my raspberry pi website, to keep it alive through downtime
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> you hosting the site on your home DSL line?
[0:32] <gordonDrogon> oh, it's your ruby thing, itsn't it... :)
[0:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: aye
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> friggle, I thought I'd initially want some sort of equivalent of 'netinst' for it, but I suspect that would just put-off most folks to have to do the install for themselves...
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> so a ready to go image is probably best...
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[0:34] <gordonDrogon> I'm running xfce4 under raspbian, but it's right on the limits.
[0:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> speaking of caching proxies, squid3 on the Pi could be interesting
[0:34] <friggle> gordonDrogon: you could do that. A minimally bootable debian isn't large and then you can install what you want
[0:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'd like a Pi netinstall that loads itself into the memory and preps the *whole* SD card before installing??? make it so :D
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[0:36] <gordonDrogon> Hm. since moving to the 224MB image, running up xfce4 is fine - no swap :_
[0:36] <piless> gordonDrogon: link?
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[0:36] <gordonDrogon> piless, link to what?
[0:36] <piless> your image
[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, any chance someone will put that kexec patch in?
[0:37] <gordonDrogon> I don't have an image - I'm running the raspbian setup.
[0:37] <piless> link?
[0:37] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[0:37] <piless> ta
[0:38] <gordonDrogon> and the firmware updater: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[0:38] <friggle> gordonDrogon: we have .deb packaging basically ready to go
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[0:39] <gordonDrogon> friggle, it's got to be like windows though - for 99.9% of the peoples they want it ready to run...
[0:39] <gordonDrogon> for the kernel/firmware?
[0:39] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: yeah that looked good
[0:39] <friggle> gordonDrogon: yep
[0:39] <gordonDrogon> neat.
[0:39] <friggle> thanks to our friends at Collabora
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[0:42] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, where does openelec get the packaging info from? How does it know to add the first32k to the kernel and such?
[0:43] <simonlc> is there a way to disable anti aliasing?
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[0:43] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, with the latest ootloaderfiles its not more needed to add this to the kernel
[0:43] <sraue> so openelec dont does this anymore with the latest builds
[0:44] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, ah that's excellent. Thanks.
[0:44] <ShiftPlusOne> do compressed images work as well now?
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[0:45] <sraue> not sure... i have tried to backport the xz patch, it was working for me some times, but not every time.... with gzip/bzip i dont have tried
[0:46] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[0:47] <friggle> sraue: you're having problems with python I hear
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[0:48] <sraue> yes...
[0:48] <sraue> python hates me
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[0:48] <friggle> sraue: yes, Dom mentioned. It's an odd one for sure
[0:48] <friggle> sraue: tried playing with strace?
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[0:51] <shirro> "friggle: gordonDrogon: we have .deb packaging basically ready to go" - sorry missed the context - are the broadcom libs being packaged or kernel or both?
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[0:51] <sraue> friggle, http://pastebin.com/QTHvMuBM
[0:52] <sraue> yes
[0:52] <sraue> ^^^ see the timestamps
[0:52] <shirro> friggle: I asked because my project for the weekend was to package them
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[0:53] <friggle> shirro: wjt has some Debian packaging here https://github.com/wjt
[0:54] <friggle> shirro: I haven't distributed it more widely yet, but you might be interested in the scriptpts I'm using to build new images https://github.com/asb/spindle
[0:54] <sraue> friggle if i copy /usr/lib/python2.7 to a ramdisk and start from there it will be not faster, so its not a sdcard/squashfsimage/ read-write isse
[0:55] <friggle> sraue: hmmm, very curious
[0:55] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I think I'm now getting some weird USB errrors on the console...
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[0:56] <gordonDrogon> ERROR::dwc_otg_hcd_urb_enqueue:487: DWC OTG HCD URB Enqueue failed adding QTD. Error status -4008
[0:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> The Pi makes a good caching proxy
[0:56] <gordonDrogon> mean anything to anyone?
[0:57] <shirro> friggle: ok, wjt is well ahead of me. I have udev rules and the copyright file and haven't even started on a lot of the rest. Looks like I can do something else then
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[0:58] <friggle> shirro: well if you're interested in distro work, we (I) would certainly appreciate some more eyes. My scripts build something far cleaner than the current images (debootstrap and then do config on a qemu vm, so there's no taking images of someone's actual pi sd card...)
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[0:59] <friggle> sraue: it's really annoying, because I'm struggling to come up with any workable theory as to why that could be. You get like ~1sec on a Deb distro?
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[1:00] <sraue> friggle, yes 1 sec or faster
[1:00] <shirro> friggle: do you know anything about the keyboard reset issues some people (including me) are having - keyboard pause and then key repeat. It feels like it is something recent
[1:01] <gordonDrogon> Oh? I get that - I as putting it down to a really cheap keyboard as it only happens on that one really cheap keyboard...
[1:01] <friggle> shirro: well I'm familiar with those symptoms due to power issues, hadn't heard of issue due to the new kernel
[1:02] <friggle> shirro: I suppose you could do a git bisect on the kernel if you think one of Naren's recent USB fixes could have caused a regression?
[1:02] <gordonDrogon> Wow. just installed usbutils - aprently I have this:
[1:02] <shirro> I don't see how it can be power. If it is the Pi is going to need a redesign if it can't work with an Apple 10W power supply
[1:02] <gordonDrogon> Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0451:16a6 Texas Instruments, Inc. BM-USBD1 BlueRobin RF heart rate sensor receiver
[1:02] <friggle> or indeed, a git bisect on the firmware repo
[1:03] <friggle> shirro: yeah, that should do it :) I did see some posts about the polyfuses on the USB connectors though causing some problems with some peripherals
[1:03] <shirro> friggle: trouble is I have had Pi for a month and much of that I have been using ssh. Can't work out if this is recent or not
[1:03] <shirro> friggle: I have my keyboard on a powered hub (it has a 4A power supply if anyone thinks power is a problem there)
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, plugged straight in or through a hub?
[1:04] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: happens on either. Could be dodgy keyboard I guess, but seems to be reported by other people
[1:04] <friggle> shirro: well, some people do sometimes report issues when going through hubs as well...
[1:05] <friggle> USB issues are rather hard to untangle. There do seem to be some reported power issues, and it's also the case that the dwc_otg driver has been rather buggy
[1:05] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, I don't think it's the keyboard.
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[1:05] <friggle> (I don't have much insight on the power issues, I focus on the software)
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[1:06] <friggle> has anyone tried the latest kernel with cards that didn't previously work by the way? I was happy to find a SanDisk 8GB class 10 ultra something or other worked flawlessly
[1:06] <shirro> You can oops dwc_otg just by querying it with udevadm. Doesn't fill me with confidence
[1:06] <friggle> shirro: keep an eye on Simon's truly heroic USB work https://github.com/lp0/linux/branches
[1:07] <shirro> friggle: can we boost the clock on the sd through software? I have never had any major sd card problems except for speed. There are some occasional strange things in the logs though.
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[1:09] <friggle> shirro: is it not currently going at the maximum clock it can? I havne't looked very closely at the sd code. It certainly did seem to have a fair few platform specific quirks
[1:09] <friggle> and of course we can't do 1.8v signalling
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[1:10] <hackery21> Hi! What's the pi's clock speed?
[1:10] <Syliss> 700
[1:10] <tech2077> default
[1:11] <hackery21> I wish.
[1:11] <tech2077> ?
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[1:11] <hackery21> 700 ghz? Not even i7 hex core is that much
[1:12] <tech2077> 700 mhz
[1:12] <Syliss> lol
[1:12] <hackery21> Oh
[1:12] <hackery21> Haha
[1:12] <IT_Sean> ...
[1:12] <tech2077> ...
[1:12] <IT_Sean> ::facepalm::
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[1:12] <IT_Sean> really?
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[1:13] <simonlc> anyone know who to change driver settings, like video size, and antialiasing?
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[1:13] <tech2077> afaik there is no x11 driver for the gpu
[1:13] <hackery21> I thought it was sarcasm. Should've said .7
[1:13] <tech2077> it just runs off default drivers
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[1:13] <simonlc> it's not for x11
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[1:13] <piless_> the pi doesn't RTC
[1:13] <friggle> tech2077: fbdev at the moment yes
[1:14] <tech2077> ah
[1:14] <simonlc> running quake 3, it seems to have antialiasing on
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[1:14] <simonlc> and I'm not able to change the vdie size
[1:14] <piless_> simonlc: Are you using it with a tv or monitor?
[1:14] <hackery21> I heard some people are making PiPads
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[1:15] <simonlc> monitor
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[1:19] <piless_> a pi tablet is almost a bad idea as a pi laptop
[1:19] <piless_> *almost as much a
[1:19] <hackery21> Not really
[1:20] <Syliss> it'd be to slow
[1:20] <piless_> and fat
[1:20] <piless_> and ugly
[1:20] <Syliss> haha
[1:20] <piless_> with pimples
[1:21] <tech2077> that sounds like a horrible idea
[1:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> Damn Cloudflare
[1:21] <hackery21> PiPads or a pi laptop?
[1:21] <tech2077> both
[1:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have what is essentially a Pi laptop
[1:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> except it uses a Cortex A8
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[1:25] <hackery21> PiTopS FTW!
[1:25] <tech2077> i don't mind people reporting that the Via APC runs android compared to linux on Pi's
[1:25] <tech2077> but everyone is making it out as a competitor to the Pi
[1:25] <friggle> out of interest, does anyone know what sort of throughput you can get through an android device 'tethered' through usb?
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[1:25] <tech2077> also, apology ahead for all caps
[1:26] <piless_> friggle: in general or connected to the pi?
[1:27] <tech2077> but truely, how mis-informed are people when I saw a few posts titles around the lines of "Raspberry Pi Killer"
[1:27] <friggle> piless_: in general
[1:27] <piless_> friggle: I've never noticed any bottleneck.
[1:28] <piless_> Same speed as I get with my phone, although that's only HSDPA
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[1:29] <friggle> piless_: I'm interested in what it peaks out at. I have a dual core 1Ghz ARM tablet. Install Debian in a chroot and that's not bad for native compilation, particularlyu if I'm stuck with my netbook for hacking
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[1:31] <piless_> is hackery21 that little troll from saudia arabia with the imaginary pi laptop business?
[1:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm going to need a dedicated raspberry pi domain, cloudflare wont let me use a dynamic subdomain, boo
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[1:39] <ReggieUK> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18182734
[1:39] <ReggieUK> uh-oh, the zombie apocalypse has started.....
[1:40] <shirro> "no documented laboratory confirmed cases of human-to-human spread" - until the undead start to bite people.
[1:40] <ReggieUK> exactly
[1:41] <simonlc> so I figured out how to change the screen size, but I think aa is still on
[1:41] <ReggieUK> we've just been lucky burning the 4 cases since 2000 before the reanimated
[1:41] <ReggieUK> before they*
[1:42] <piless_> maybe the 4 cases are all from the same undead dog
[1:42] <shirro> ReggieUK: but were they all zombie bites? I would have though werewolves or vampires would be more common in the uk.
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[1:42] <piless_> shirro: racist
[1:42] <ReggieUK> that's not racist
[1:42] <piless_> all the vampires hang out in romania.
[1:42] <ReggieUK> we've had strong anti-rabies laws in this country for many, many years
[1:42] <shirro> It is the climate, not racism
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[1:44] <wasmith> has anyone found a 26 pin cable for the GPIO on the pi?
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[1:44] <shirro> wasmith: got an old floppy drive?
[1:44] <wasmith> shirro: yeah, i thought that
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[1:44] <wasmith> but its too many pins
[1:44] <shirro> hacksaw
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[1:44] <wasmith> lol, is that what you did?
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[1:45] <shirro> nope. not yet anyway. think I will go individual leads to start with
[1:45] <ReggieUK> just don't use the spare pins?
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[1:45] <ReggieUK> orrrr checkout farnell/rs vast array of connectors!!!
[1:45] <wasmith> its more of a neatness thing
[1:46] <wasmith> yeah, i can't think of the proper name for that style of connector
[1:46] <ReggieUK> pretty sure they'll do a 26pin 0.1" pitch
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[1:46] <ReggieUK> idc isn't it for the floppy type cable/connection
[1:46] <ReggieUK> it's the pitch and the number of pins that are important though
[1:47] <piless_> 34
[1:47] <wasmith> yeah,
[1:47] <ReggieUK> 0.1"/2.54mm 26pin is what you'll need to find for the pi
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[1:47] <Syliss> i think i may get some perler/hama beads on friday to make a quick case
[1:48] <ReggieUK> hama beads?
[1:48] <Syliss> yeah
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[1:48] <Syliss> those beads you iron together
[1:48] <ReggieUK> iron?
[1:49] <piless_> what a terrible idea
[1:49] <shirro> how strong are they?
[1:49] <wasmith> ask someone with a 3d printe
[1:49] <piless_> ReggieUK: http://brain.pan.e-merchant.com/6/0/03915006/l_03915006.jpg
[1:49] <wasmith> to print one out
[1:49] <Syliss> wasmith: no one in my area has one
[1:49] <Syliss> and I'm not paying more then $10 to make/buy one
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[1:51] <piless_> Syliss: buy this instead, http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-basic-shape-clear-p-1097.html
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[1:51] <shirro> Syliss: do they come with GHB? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bindeez
[1:51] <Syliss> wow, almost 8 quid?
[1:52] <Syliss> no idea shirro
[1:52] <simonlc> nobody knows about the anti aliasing? I can't find anything online, should I make a forum post?
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[1:53] <piless_> simonlc: don't bother with the forum, it's inhabited by a bunch of nazis
[1:53] <ReggieUK> piless, sort it out dude
[1:54] <piless_> ?
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[1:54] <simonlc> would be nice to remove antialiasing though
[1:54] <simonlc> it's a useless fps hog
[1:54] <ReggieUK> simonlc, if you can't get an answer here quickly enough then make a forum post :)
[1:54] <piless_> ReggieUK: Come off it, you really haven't noticed?
[1:55] <ReggieUK> that's not really the point, where else is simonlc supposed to ask questions about his issue?
[1:55] <ReggieUK> and tbh i haven't noticed, I don't actually use the forums that much myself
[1:55] <piless_> They lock threads for the most ridiculous reasons.
[1:55] <ReggieUK> whenever I do i get sensible answers
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[1:55] <Syliss> well ill figure something out
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[1:56] <piless_> There's only one thing worse than a neckbeard, and that's a neckbeard with power.
[1:56] <Syliss> i currently have a neck beard, i need to trim it
[1:56] <ReggieUK> Dude, I'm not trying to get you to change your mind over how you feel about forum admins
[1:56] <ReggieUK> that's a choice
[1:56] <piless_> quite a popular choice too
[1:57] <ReggieUK> sorry, meant to say personal choice
[1:57] <ReggieUK> but simonlc is looking for help, not your bitterness :D
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[1:57] <ReggieUK> piless bitter forum tears != antialias fix ;)
[1:58] <simonlc> lol
[1:58] <shirro> quit the beardist statements please. beards are cool.
[1:58] <SStrife> Forum Tears Bitter: The beer for when you feel hard done by on a forum.
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[1:59] <SStrife> :P
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[2:00] <SStrife> I think I just bought the slowest USB key in the universe
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[2:00] <SStrife> It takes less time to write the debian image to a Class 4 SD card, than it's taken to copy 500MB to this stupid USB key
[2:01] <SStrife> screw you, sandisk.
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[2:02] <shirro> wow, sandisk slow? that is something you don't hear much. You aren't writing to the usb on a Pi are you?
[2:02] <SStrife> nope
[2:02] <SStrife> my work PC
[2:02] <shirro> could be a fake
[2:02] <shirro> is it an ebay sandisk?
[2:02] <SStrife> i hope not, i bought it at a bricks-and-mortar computer shop
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[2:03] <SStrife> no, not from ebay
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[2:03] <[SLB]> cruzer or ultra or other?
[2:03] <SStrife> they were in the bargain bin, $32 for 32GB
[2:03] <SStrife> cruzer
[2:03] <ReggieUK> nice size
[2:04] <ReggieUK> does it come apart?
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[2:04] <SStrife> nah, one sealed unit
[2:04] <SStrife> all plastic too
[2:04] <SStrife> no metal, not even in the USB plug shroud
[2:04] <ReggieUK> hmmmmmmmn
[2:04] <[SLB]> cruzer has been meant to be good in size, it's a bit slower than the ultra one
[2:05] <SStrife> it does work, and it does fill up to 32GB without any problems
[2:05] <SStrife> it's just slow as hell
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[2:07] <SStrife> http://img3.flixcart.com//image/pendrive/t/y/m/sandisk-cruzer-switch-4-gb-400x400-imad3v4putammqcv.jpeg
[2:07] <SStrife> thats what it looks like
[2:07] <ReggieUK> how slow is slow though
[2:07] <[SLB]> oh it's the old cruzer
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[2:09] <SStrife> hmm
[2:09] <SStrife> not sure exactly
[2:09] <SStrife> i can find out shortly
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[2:10] <shirro> what does lsusb -v show you about it? Like the vendor and product id?
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[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> I'm gonna have to set up some sort of external drive for my Pi that I can move all my movies/tv shows onto
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[2:17] <GabrialDestruir> That way I can access them when my desktop is off so I can shut my desktop down this summer to prevent my room from overheating.
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[2:20] <SStrife> shirro: I will tell you shortly
[2:21] <SStrife> it's plugged into a windows box atm
[2:21] <SStrife> vid 0781 pid 5572
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[2:22] <shirro> 781 is sandisk. so probably not a fake
[2:23] <SStrife> yeah, i doubt it's a fake
[2:23] <SStrife> bought it in a reputable IRL shop
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[2:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: the Pi rocks with an external hard drive :D
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[2:31] <GabrialDestruir> Yea I'll probably get one for it, cause in the summer my room heats up like crazy.
[2:31] <SStrife> I'm planning to do that
[2:32] <SStrife> if I ever get a USB hub that doesn't suck
[2:32] <GabrialDestruir> So if I can turn off or put to sleep my computer while watching videos
[2:32] <GabrialDestruir> That'd be lovely.
[2:33] <SStrife> when i get my second one, I'll probably use it as a despotify box
[2:33] <SStrife> hook up an LCD to the UART pins
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[2:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> despotify is a bit flaky, probably the beta audio drivers
[2:35] <SStrife> yeah,
[2:35] <SStrife> they need work for sure
[2:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hopefully by the morning http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk:31415/ will be safely tucked behind a reverse proxy
[2:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> I might cave in and put it on port 80
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[2:39] <simonlc> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6434
[2:40] <SStrife> ha
[2:40] <SStrife> i dont even get that
[2:40] <SStrife> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4256&start=475#wrap
[2:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> Why would it have any AA turned on, had they even invented AA in those days? :D
[2:40] <simonlc> Hexxeh: will the quake 3 binaries you provided work on raspian?
[2:41] <simonlc> yes steffen-
[2:41] <simonlc> SStrife*
[2:41] <SStrife> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=81365#p81365 this, even
[2:41] <simonlc> quake 3 came out in 99 iirc
[2:42] <SStrife> from what I can tell, the only graphics-related options that do anything are image-quality related
[2:42] <SStrife> lighting, texture quality, etc
[2:42] <SStrife> resolution
[2:42] <SStrife> is ignored
[2:42] <SStrife> bitdepth is ignored
[2:43] <simonlc> for resolution I am using the config.txt
[2:43] <SStrife> yep, thats the only way you can afaik
[2:43] <SStrife> it just uses the resolution of the framebuffer
[2:43] <simonlc> did you compile quake 3 on the pi?
[2:43] <SStrife> yep
[2:43] <SStrife> what did you do to get 47fps?
[2:44] <simonlc> does raspian come with build-essentiasl, or w/e is needed?
[2:44] <SStrife> no, but "apt-get install build-essential" works
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[2:44] <simonlc> I configed it a bit, vertex lighting helps a lot
[2:44] <simonlc> ok cool thanks
[2:44] <SStrife> it might be in the repo now, but I also had to compile directfb
[2:44] <simonlc> I spent so much time preping that 2gb card for quake 3 to fit on it lol
[2:45] <SStrife> no wait
[2:45] <SStrife> that was for dosbox
[2:45] <SStrife> never mind
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[2:46] <SStrife> that would have been a pain, the quake3 pak files are about 500MB total
[2:46] <simonlc> yeah, and I hardly ever used debian before so I had to learn about apt-get
[2:47] <SStrife> ah
[2:47] <SStrife> i think they're all similar now though?
[2:47] <SStrife> on RPM distros you'd just use "yum install build-essential" right?
[2:47] <SStrife> (at least on CentOS)
[2:48] <simonlc> no idea, I use arch
[2:48] <simonlc> I really like pacman
[2:49] <simonlc> I ran some mods on it, they had significantly worse performance
[2:49] <simonlc> and by some, I just mean cpma
[2:50] <simonlc> though I think urbanterror should be able to run
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[2:50] <SStrife> i tried Corkscrew and Defrag
[2:50] <SStrife> they ran OK
[2:51] <SStrife> no worse than vanilla q3a
[2:51] <SStrife> corkscrew a little worse because it has more railgun effects
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[2:52] <simonlc> I think the reason cpma ran so bad is it just added a bunch of new defaults so it was drawing a lot of stuff
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[2:54] <simonlc> also do you know where screenshots and configs are stored? I wasn't able to find them anywhere
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[2:54] <simonlc> actually they must have been in /root since I think the start.sh runs sudo
[2:54] <SStrife> ~/.q3a
[2:54] <SStrife> or yeah, if you use start.sh, /root/.q3a
[2:54] <SStrife> i just add the user to the video group
[2:54] <SStrife> usermod -a -G video pi
[2:54] <SStrife> then you dont need sudo
[2:55] <shirro> can you get openarena working with ioquake somehow?
[2:56] <SStrife> you could probably create some frankenstein of the openarena code, and the raspi ioq3 video related bits
[2:56] <SStrife> i compiled openarena, and it wont run
[2:56] <SStrife> just says it can't initialise OpenGL
[2:57] <SStrife> which is fine, because there is no OpenGL
[3:00] <shirro> I remember my wife used to love rocket arena. It would be fun to have something working when the second Pi arrives. I guess we can just DM in regular Q3 levels.
[3:01] <simonlc> cpma mod works, ra might work
[3:01] <simonlc> clan arena in cpma is pretty much ra no?
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[3:03] <simonlc> looks like the raspian config over clocks to 800mhz, did you even that out in your benchmarks SStrife ?
[3:04] <mkopack> Argh, Raspbian is pissing me off??? I can't seem to find the right keymap for US keyboards
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[3:05] <SStrife> yeah, i always remove that line
[3:05] <SStrife> it actually kind of annoys me that it's in there
[3:05] <SStrife> at all
[3:06] <shirro> mkopack: mine is working ok
[3:06] <mkopack> eh, I'm leaving mine @ 800
[3:06] <simonlc> it's for POWER
[3:06] <mkopack> shirro: what keymap did you choose? On mine when I do shift-2 I get " instead of @ like it should be on a US keyboard
[3:06] <mkopack> and Shift-` is giving some weird character instead of ~
[3:07] <SStrife> that's how the foundation's debian image is configured, i thought hexxeh's raspbian image was configured as US layout by default?
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[3:07] <mkopack> Not raspbian-r3 it isn't
[3:07] <mkopack> It's set up for UK
[3:08] <mkopack> IU've tried Generic 101 key, US, no go
[3:08] <mkopack> I've tried Generic 102 Key (Intl) no go
[3:08] <mkopack> etc
[3:08] <SStrife> I'm sure I have r3 on there and it's set to US??? how could i tell?
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[3:08] <simonlc> you should pic generic 104
[3:09] <simonlc> 102 is uk layout, so is 104
[3:09] <simonlc> er 105
[3:09] <shirro> I have generic 105 - English (UIS)
[3:09] <shirro> I just did sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and followed the bouncing ball
[3:10] <mkopack> Ok, Generic 105, US English??? same thing
[3:10] <mkopack> yeah, that's what I'm doing too.. doesn't seem to matter what I pick ,same effect
[3:10] <mkopack> shift-2 gives " instead of @
[3:10] <mkopack> and shift ' gives @ instead of "
[3:10] <shirro> In my /etc/default keyboard I have XKBMODEL="pc105" KBLAYOUT="us"
[3:11] <shirro> Is this in console or X or both?
[3:11] <simonlc> 105 is iso
[3:11] <simonlc> you want 104
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[3:12] <mkopack> both
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[3:13] <mkopack> ok, that fixed it in console. starting X back up to check in there
[3:13] <mkopack> I was doing the changes while in a terminal in x and it didn't seem to make any differences
[3:14] <mkopack> Nope,m inside X, in LVTerminal it's still screwed up
[3:14] <simonlc> I keep getting this erro in raspbian: mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s).
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[3:14] <SStrife> i get that too
[3:14] <SStrife> i just ignore it
[3:14] <SStrife> seems to be OK
[3:14] <simonlc> lol ok
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone want to sell me a second Pi for 25 dollars.... after all if you have on it's used and price has depreceated ;)
[3:15] <SStrife> hexxeh said it's something that rpi-update should fix
[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> one*
[3:15] <simonlc> I'll sell you mine for 200$
[3:15] <SStrife> but i've had no such luck
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[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> It's used, I'll give you 30
[3:15] <mkopack> Oh, yeah, um, I tried rpi-update from the console???and the machine went NUTS??? just kept cycling the same screenful of output over and over and over??? non-stop. Ended up pulling the plug and rebooting
[3:16] <mpthompson> I believe to configure a keyboard, use: 'apt-get install console-data' followed by 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data'. It may need to be rebooted after that.
[3:16] <mkopack> mind you, I'm set up to run off SSD over USB, NOT SD card
[3:16] <SStrife> that shouldn't matter
[3:16] <SStrife> rpi-update should just be updating the contents of /boot
[3:16] <simonlc> it's not used, it's new
[3:16] <mkopack> well, it didn't like it at all
[3:16] <SStrife> i think rpi-update is a bit buggy
[3:16] <SStrife> you can update the firmware yourself
[3:16] <mkopack> I was going to mention it to Hexxeh so he'd know what's up
[3:16] <mkopack> or at least would be aware of it
[3:16] <SStrife> yeah, let him know
[3:17] <SStrife> for sure
[3:17] <mkopack> will do as soon as I see him
[3:17] <mkopack> I suspect he made it assume the to look for the FS to be on the SD, not external
[3:18] <SStrife> /boot is still on the sdcard
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[3:18] <SStrife> every other fs can be on a USB drive
[3:19] <SStrife> but /boot, where config.txt and start.elf live, that stays on your SD card
[3:19] <SStrife> and those should be the only files rpi-update touches
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[3:20] <mkopack> right, I know that...
[3:20] <mkopack> I'm just saying, maybe he made some assumption that isn't valid when you're running / off an external
[3:21] <SStrife> potentially
[3:21] <mkopack> and lovely??? install midori, start it, go to load a page and everything hangs completely
[3:21] <mkopack> grrr
[3:21] <SStrife> i'm just haivng a hard time figuring out how :P
[3:21] <SStrife> without having the source of rpi-update handy
[3:22] <mkopack> I don't know??? like I said, it just went NUTS??? repeating screenful after screenful of the same output
[3:22] <mkopack> Went by so fast I couldn't even read it, and it couldn't be stopped
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[3:25] <SStrife> ok,
[3:25] <SStrife> looking at the source now
[3:25] <SStrife> it doesnt have any device names hardcoded in there
[3:25] <SStrife> just /boot
[3:25] <SStrife> and some files under there
[3:26] <SStrife> /bin/bash /lib/modules
[3:26] <SStrife> everything else is done using tokens
[3:26] <SStrife> like
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[3:27] <SStrife> ${stuff}
[3:27] <SStrife> FW_REPO="git://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware.git"
[3:27] <SStrife> FW_REPOLOCAL="/root/.rpi-firmware"
[3:27] <SStrife> FW_PATH="/boot"
[3:27] <SStrife> FW_REPONAME=`basename ${FW_REPOLOCAL}`
[3:27] <SStrife> FW_RAM=${1:-224}
[3:27] <SStrife> FW_GPU=$((256-FW_RAM))
[3:27] <SStrife> so yeah, if you're having issues
[3:28] <SStrife> let hexxeh know for definite :)
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[3:30] <simonlc> I have too many keyboards on my desk
[3:31] <SStrife> haha, i know that feel
[3:31] <netman87> i had one time dekstop computer + 3 laptops
[3:32] <simonlc> D:
[3:32] <netman87> somehow i was always using wrong one
[3:32] <netman87> ill buy broken laptops test whats cause and sell them in parts or fix them
[3:33] <netman87> so sometimes i have few of them here
[3:33] <netman87> currently only one working and 2 as spare parts
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[3:33] <netman87> thats why im also pretty interested driving LVDS displays with raspberry pi/pandaboard es
[3:34] <simonlc> cool
[3:34] <simonlc> I have some random display, wonder if it would work with the pi
[3:35] <simonlc> it's touch screen too
[3:35] <netman87> its it more like everything works... when u write drivers for it :)
[3:35] <netman87> well maybe adapter etc etc needed
[3:36] <netman87> im not familiar with driver level programming or making my own boards so i just need someone to create LVDS board for raspi
[3:36] <simonlc> I also have a super small 60gb hdd
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[3:36] <netman87> im more interested in pandaboard es but its more expensive and im running pretty low on money
[3:36] <GabrialDestruir> I unwittingly provided my RPi with battery backup xD
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[3:41] <mkopack> netman: I have one??? Haven't had time to do much with it. But the nice thing is it has more RAM, and up to 4 USB ports + Wifi + BT...
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[3:41] <mkopack> but the OS support for it is WAY worse (IMO) than what we have so far for RPi
[3:42] <mkopack> They seem to push Ubuntu as the main OS for it and it's a F'ing PIG??? makes it run DOG slow
[3:42] <mkopack> and there's nowhere near as much community support as there is behind the RPi
[3:42] <mkopack> In some ways I'm kinda wishing I hadn't spent the money on the pandaboard
[3:43] <netman87> mkopack: yeah, when u are unhappy with it. u can just donate it to be my playground :)
[3:43] <mkopack> hehe
[3:43] <netman87> but yeah. it seems that panda isnt so good in software support or community activity
[3:43] <netman87> board itself seems to be pretty nice
[3:44] <mkopack> yeah ,board is wonderful.
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[3:44] <mkopack> but you need to really know WTF you're doing to get anywhere with that board
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[3:45] <mkopack> It's NOT very Newb friendly. They market it more as a development board for doing Android / ARM dev on, not for end users
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[3:45] <netman87> yeah. i want it. i really wany
[3:45] <netman87> want*
[3:46] <mkopack> Ok, that error I had with rpi-update - just got the same thing while SSH'ed into the Pi trying to do some package installs
[3:46] <netman87> someone did even promise to send me free LVDS controller if i buy it :)
[3:46] <mkopack> just an never-ending stream of "Function enter" and a bunch of stuff I couldn't read
[3:46] <mkopack> I'm thinking there's some issue either with running off my SSD, or with the kernel
[3:46] <netman87> is there minimal linux image for RPi?
[3:47] <netman87> and if there is which distro is it based on?
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[3:47] <mkopack> Dammit, I don't have time to dick with this right now
[3:48] <shirro> netman87: if you want minimal probably best to make your own as you probably know exactly what you want
[3:48] <netman87> yeah. but Xcompiling is pain in the ass sometimes :)
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[3:48] <simonlc> http://i.imgur.com/WxlJu.jpg
[3:48] <simonlc> 60gb
[3:49] <netman87> i would just use one as videoplayer for my video projector and maybe some opencv stuff
[3:49] <netman87> thats 1.8" harddrive?
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[3:50] <shirro> netman87: yes, it is. I started on a minimal hardfp system from scratch compiling on a A8. More than happy to have chucked it and move to Debian. Don't really need router-like minimalism on the Pi
[3:50] <simonlc> yea
[3:51] <netman87> simonlc: ide?sata? something else?
[3:51] <simonlc> no idea
[3:52] <simonlc> it comes from a cowon q5w
[3:52] <netman87> ah okey
[3:52] <simonlc> would be nice to be able to use it
[3:52] <netman87> shirro: yeah. i just dont want "full desktop"
[3:52] <netman87> so i would be okey with debian base
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[3:53] <netman87> so its "minimal" or "server" image that i would wanna get
[3:54] <netman87> everything else i should be able to compile/install by myself pretty easily
[3:54] <shirro> Using the debian image I setup a debootstrap --variant=minbase of raspbian then copied the dir onto another sd card
[3:54] <shirro> http://elinux.org/Raspbian
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[3:55] <shirro> Had to setup a fa32 filesystem for boot and add firmware stuff to /opt/vc but you can get all that from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[3:56] <shirro> ofcourse I now have an 8G card half full of lxde and dev libs and source code so the minimal thing isn't really working out.
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[3:58] <simonlc> man this error message is super annoying
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[4:07] <mukti> I'm running my raspberry pi with RCA, but it is displaying at the wrong resolution; Its an old TV (not HD/Widescreen). I'm using Arch on it, but I can't figure out how to change the resolution. On my other Arch boxes I would edit /boot/grub
[4:07] <mukti> Does anyone know what the correct file to edit is on this?
[4:07] <simonlc> in X?
[4:07] <mukti> no
[4:08] <simonlc> have you edited your config.txt?
[4:08] <mukti> no, I can't really see it either
[4:08] <mukti> It is displayed off screen
[4:08] <mukti> well, most of it
[4:08] <simonlc> you can edit config.txt from any computer you put the sd card in
[4:09] <simonlc> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[4:09] <mukti> didn't think of that*
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[4:11] <mukti> originally I had planned to get a HDMI to VGA adapter so I could connect it to my desktop monitor, but I haven't gotten around to it. Now I'm trying to jerry-rig everything to get it to "work" haha
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[4:12] <simonlc> D:
[4:12] <simonlc> yeah I have two vga only monitors :(
[4:13] <simonlc> my main monitor is hte only hdmi one, and my tv, but I can't use that
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[4:14] <mukti> I had it connected to my 47" TV, but figured I would go to a lower res when I tried doing anything with it
[4:18] <simonlc> is there a way to surpress this raspbian error message?
[4:18] <simonlc> all my tty's are infected
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[4:22] <UnaClocker> Pi are square
[4:22] <UnaClocker> ;)
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[4:28] <SStrife> i just tried getting an Android 1.6 image to boot on my pi
[4:28] <SStrife> not gonna happen
[4:29] <SStrife> i'm guessing i'm either running the wrong kernel file, or have the wrong arguments
[4:29] <simonlc> what do I need to build this quake 3?
[4:29] <SStrife> the OK light blinks a few times
[4:29] <DaQatz> I think it would take some customization to get android running on it.
[4:29] <DaQatz> Should be able to do like 2.*
[4:30] <SStrife> yeah
[4:30] <SStrife> i thought i'd get something though
[4:30] <SStrife> like some boot messages
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[4:30] <SStrife> maybe theres something different about the qemu-kernel-img
[4:31] <simonlc> I got the same error trying to build quake 3 that I got on archlinux
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[4:32] <SStrife> what error is that?
[4:32] <simonlc> bcm host something
[4:32] <simonlc> I ran 'make'
[4:32] <simonlc> should I run one of the scripts instead?
[4:32] <SStrife> i used build.sh i'm pretty sure
[4:32] <SStrife> bbl, lunch time
[4:33] <simonlc> ok thatnks
[4:36] <simonlc> same error, bcm2708-gcc: command not found
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[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Simon-, because you haven't downloaded the cross-compiler
[4:40] <ShiftPlusOne> or you haven't put it where it's expected to be or altered the file to point out where it is.
[4:40] <simonlc> I need that even if I'm on the pi?
[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> no, then you just need to edit the build script and make sure you understand it
[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> and then wait a week for it to compile
[4:41] <Syliss> lol
[4:41] <Syliss> so true
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[4:44] <simonlc> I'm just pretending this is the 90s
[4:45] <simonlc> seems I got further by commenting out the 'cross compiler prefix'
[4:45] <simonlc> thanks ShiftPlusOne :)
[4:45] <ShiftPlusOne> no worries
[4:46] <simonlc> maybe I'll be able to run quake 3 on arch too :o
[4:50] <SStrife> it doesnt take too long to compile q3a on pi
[4:50] <SStrife> a few hours maybe
[4:58] <UnaClocker> I love Raspbian
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[5:11] <simonlc> my light just burnt out at the same times the lights went out in the movie
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[5:51] <simonlc> SStrife: can you send me the quake 3 for raspbian? My compile failed again :(
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[5:57] <SStrife> i could have
[5:57] <SStrife> if i didn't blow away my SD card about 2 hours ago :-/
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[5:58] <simonlc> DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:
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[5:59] <simonlc> I got an error when it was working on the jpeg-6b part
[6:00] <simonlc> fatal error: GLES/gl.h: No such file or directory
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[6:00] <simonlc> compilation TERMINATED.
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[6:00] <simonlc> this doesn't help that my pi is called t1000 and my pc hostname is skynet
[6:01] <SStrife> hahah
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[6:18] <SStrife> did you apt-get install tasksel && tasksel install standard ?
[6:19] <SStrife> that should install any missing jpeg stuff
[6:19] <SStrife> and ah
[6:19] <SStrife> yea, I had to tinker with the build.sh a little bit
[6:19] <simonlc> no I didn't
[6:19] <SStrife> to get it to build
[6:19] <simonlc> I'll try again
[6:19] <SStrife> it was all the way back last week, so i dont remember too well
[6:20] <SStrife> but i'll have a crack at it tonight
[6:20] <SStrife> and let you know how i go
[6:20] <simonlc> ok
[6:20] <simonlc> I'll try with tasksel, hopefully that works
[6:21] <SStrife> i'm pretty sure tasksel installs stuff like "sudo" and "man"
[6:21] <SStrife> hexxeh's image is very barebones
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[6:23] <simonlc> I just installed what I needed, but I never know what I need to build stuff, which is why I hate compiling random things
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[6:25] <SStrife> now that i'm thinking about it
[6:25] <SStrife> i may have compiled libsdl1.2
[6:26] <SStrife> but that's probably in raspbian's repo by now
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[6:26] <simonlc> libsdl1.2-dev?
[6:26] <SStrife> yeah
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[6:26] <simonlc> yeah that was in tere
[6:26] <SStrife> ok
[6:26] <SStrife> and um???. directfb maybe?
[6:27] <simonlc> I actually didn't install sdl though
[6:27] <SStrife> not too sure about that one
[6:27] <simonlc> so it could have been that
[6:27] <SStrife> ioq3 uses sdl for input and sound
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[7:03] <SStrife> simonlc: I've just opened up build.sh
[7:03] <SStrife> i don't think the include paths are right
[7:03] <SStrife> ARM_LIBS=/opt/bcm-rootfs/opt/vc/lib
[7:04] <SStrife> INCLUDE_DIR="/opt/bcm-rootfs/opt/vc/include"
[7:04] <SStrife> I think those might be different in raspbian
[7:04] <SStrife> they should just be
[7:04] <SStrife> /opt/vc/lib
[7:04] <SStrife> and /opt/vc/include
[7:04] <SStrife> respectively
[7:04] <simonlc> ok
[7:06] <simonlc> making a paper template atm
[7:06] <SStrife> ok
[7:06] <SStrife> and you'll need libsdl1.2-dev, which we already talked about
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[7:07] <simonlc> and, should I comment out the PREFIX thing in the build.sh?
[7:07] <simonlc> I did that the first time
[7:08] <SStrife> yeah
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[7:16] <dmsuse> how come there isnt a single pi in russia lol
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[7:18] <dmsuse> oh i take it back there is 1 in moscow :P
[7:20] <rm> dmsuse, Farnell charges 20 Euro for delivery to Russia
[7:20] <rm> RS does not ship to Russia at the moment
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[7:20] <dmsuse> :o
[7:21] <dmsuse> robbing bleeps
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[7:57] <DaQatz> !channel
[7:57] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-owners
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[8:10] <SStrife> quake3 compiled
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[8:10] <SStrife> that took nearly exactly 1 hour
[8:10] <SStrife> suspiciously quick
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[8:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> My Pi microblog now lives at pi.gadgetoid.com
[8:53] <lennard> is it running on a pi? :P
[8:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> Of course!
[8:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> But it's running through a caching proxy, which I don't really think is *cheating* per se
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[8:53] <lennard> well, a bit
[8:53] <simonlc> sexy
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[8:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> But as the same proxy would be available to any other Pi user, it really demonstrates the concept of high-availability hosting driven from a tiny computer
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[8:54] <gordonDrogon> me/ waves
[8:54] * gordonDrogon wakes up.
[8:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Morning!
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> shower time...
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[8:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> work time!
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[9:49] <gordonDrogon> right. that's the morning kicked off.
[9:49] <Hourd> good morning
[9:49] <anish> mornin'
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> and something big is buzzing behind me )-:
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> it's a honeybee. bother.
[9:51] <haltdef> NO BEES
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> caught it and let it out the window.
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> if it was a fly I'd have fed it to venus.
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/venus.jpg
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[9:55] <gordonDrogon> so lots of weird messages on he pi overnight - I think to do with the USB mouse or keyboard, but the URF module I've had plugged in has carried on working all night.
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> which is good as I thought it caused a crash yesterday.
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[10:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I have a Playbase android tablet on my desk, stuck in a reboot loop :D lesson of the day: buy iPad
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[10:14] <teh_orph> yo
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[10:17] <Veryevil> Morning All
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[10:19] <gordonDrogon> What Ho, Mr. Veryevil
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[10:20] <Veryevil> What Ho Good Sir
[10:20] <Veryevil> Jolly Good Show and all!
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> Indeed.
[10:20] <drazyl> Spiffing what what?
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> A spot of formality and politeness to start the day does one wonders, what?
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[10:22] <drazyl> Undoubtedly so my good man
[10:22] <teh_orph> nice to see that no-one replied to my welcoming 'yo'
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[10:22] <gordonDrogon> and if in the UK and get a chance to see Mr. B the Gentleman Rhymer, then it's a jolly good jape.
[10:22] <drazyl> I must apologise, but I did not recognise your colonial hail Mr teh_orph
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[10:23] <teh_orph> I'll ignore this, just the once
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> speaking of colonials ...
[10:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> teh_orph: I was going to, but I had to switch over to a mobile wifi router to get files onto a micro-SD card in the most elaborate way possible
[10:23] <teh_orph> ha
[10:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> So, teh_orph: Ohai!
[10:23] * drazyl is hoping there will be a R-Pi waiting when he gets home from work
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[10:24] <gordonDrogon> I'm hoping Farnell will deliver today...
[10:24] <Hourd> i've got a travel usb charger coming tomorow :D
[10:24] <Veryevil> teh_orph: Any progess my good man?
[10:25] <Hourd> over 13000 mah rated at 5V 1A
[10:25] <drazyl> I've got a spare 1A charger that's been travelling round in my boot for months now
[10:25] <teh_orph> I've still been trying to get 3D in a window
[10:25] <teh_orph> I had to do a talk at a school last night about how to get into the games biz
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[10:25] <gordonDrogon> eech. don't do it is my advice :)
[10:25] <Veryevil> that your say job. V Cool
[10:25] <teh_orph> to GCSE/A level age
[10:25] <drazyl> 1. write a game
[10:25] <drazyl> ?
[10:25] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm hoping that a mystical pixie will bestow upon me a second Pi
[10:25] <Veryevil> day* job
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> but then I didn't have a good time when I worked for a games co - but that was some 13 years ago (ish)
[10:26] <teh_orph> I wonder how much it differs....
[10:26] <teh_orph> the teams are big now - what about then?
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> When a 333MHz PIII was the business...
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> I was in a team of 5 programmers, 5 artists and 1 producer.
[10:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> teh_orph: unless it's indie game development, I presume the talk said "NOPE NOPE NOPE! you'll be run into the ground and then tossed away like a factory worker with no arms"
[10:27] <simonlc> we talking about old cpus?
[10:27] <Veryevil> back when games had a plot as they didnt have graphics.
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> it was just long hours, tight schedulles and cash flow problems.
[10:27] <teh_orph> I had some kids who asked me what the pay was like (ie not too great)
[10:27] <simonlc> http://i.imgur.com/5O8wO.jpg
[10:27] <teh_orph> and they then said "so why do you do it then?"
[10:27] <teh_orph> erm....
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[10:27] <teh_orph> nice pic :)
[10:27] <dreamer> lo
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[10:28] <dreamer> anyone here from denmark? I was wondering if Danske Post adds extra fees when ordering a RasPi
[10:28] <simonlc> if it does when you normaly purchase things from outside the country, probably yes
[10:28] <dreamer> I ordered something abbroad recently and had to pay loads of extra (totalling 100%, but that was outside the EU) to get my package. Hope that if I order from RS it won't be the case. just want to make sure
[10:29] <simonlc> I payed $12 to get my Pi (canada)
[10:29] <dreamer> simonlc: there's no "normal" for me here. I'm not a danish citisen
[10:30] <simonlc> well who would the customs know that?
[10:30] <dreamer> canada != denmark
[10:30] <teh_orph> are you sure?
[10:30] <dreamer> pretty much
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[10:30] <dreamer> I know iceland is thinking of taking up the canadian dollar though ;)
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[10:30] <Gadgetoid_mbp_> Mobile router said: NO! Not today!
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> ach. 486's... modern!
[10:31] <dreamer> anyway. I'm thinking of sending it to my friends in NL, to have them send it through. or pick it up late summer -_-
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[10:31] <simonlc> in denmark you guys have DKK right? Donkey Kong Kurrency?
[10:31] <teh_orph> proper lols
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
[10:31] <Gadgetoid_mbp> simonlc: yeah, it's like the Euro exept people don't laugh hysterically at you when you try to pay with it
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> that's the olders cpu I have..
[10:32] <simonlc> I think you win
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[10:32] <gordonDrogon> Wish I still had my PDP8's.
[10:32] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The Euro is a low and easy blow, I can buy a whole sack of them for just ??1 now
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> they didn't survive the move I did 25 years ago )-:
[10:33] <simonlc> CAD was doing good until the us killed it with the bailout
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[10:33] <dreamer> simonlc: "you guys" ? I'm NOT danish
[10:34] <dreamer> I'm just a tourist with extended stay :P
[10:34] <simonlc> why come are you staying in danish land?
[10:34] <dreamer> does it matter?
[10:34] <simonlc> not to me
[10:34] <dmsuse> denmark rawkz
[10:35] <simonlc> I just wanted to talk
[10:35] <dreamer> (you must be from quebec? never seen so horrid english from a west-coast canadian :P)
[10:35] <simonlc> but shut me out, w/e
[10:35] <simonlc> why come you have no tattoo?
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[10:35] <simonlc> how do you know I'm a quebecer living in western canada?
[10:36] <simonlc> are you an e-detective?
[10:36] <dreamer> did I say that?
[10:36] <DDave> lool
[10:37] <simonlc> how did you figure I'm west coast?
[10:37] <dreamer> how do you figure that from my words?
[10:38] <simonlc> <+dreamer> (you must be from quebec? never seen so horrid english from a west-coast canadian
[10:38] <dreamer> I meant: west-coast canadians actually DO speak english
[10:38] <simonlc> :P)
[10:38] <dreamer> it was a comparison
[10:38] <dreamer> afaik quebec is on the east-coast
[10:38] <simonlc> ok
[10:38] <simonlc> it's not on the coast, but it's eastern
[10:38] <dreamer> well, it has a coast
[10:38] <dreamer> doesn't mean it's ON the coast
[10:39] <dreamer> anyway. pointless conversation
[10:39] <lennard> terribly pointless :P
[10:39] <lennard> and confusing as hell
[10:39] <dreamer> all I want to know if Danske Post are assholes to orders from RS that ship from the UK
[10:39] <lennard> from where I'm setting anyway
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[10:39] <simonlc> yeah, I don't know how you can be insulting my English when your sentence was terrible aswell.
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[10:40] <gordonDrogon> Ah. don't use the T word...
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> I got flamed almost to death on the Pi forums for using it )-:
[10:40] <simonlc> 'The' ?
[10:40] * gordonDrogon sighs.
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> No, Terrible.
[10:40] <dreamer> <+simonlc> why come are you staying in danish land? << my english isn't near as bad as that
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> I seem to have more or less given up on the forums. They have re-arranged them again.
[10:41] <simonlc> you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.
[10:41] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: chat is more helpful anyway :P
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, more time consuming too!
[10:41] <simonlc> I like the new categories gordonDrogon, at least now there's one dedicated to cases, which I love.
[10:42] <dmsuse> was looking for an answer to something yesterday, found the question being asked, but some newb locked the thread saying it was useless or something
[10:42] <dmsuse> i still have no answer the the question :P
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> simonlc, sure - and I'm sure it'll settle down - just need to make some time to get back into them again.
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[10:42] <gordonDrogon> the one thing I miss is that they couldn't port over the "watches", etc. so now i've no idea what threads I was watching & contributing to )-:
[10:42] <dmsuse> *to the
[10:42] <simonlc> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6427&sid=d1b1e89c0591fe1bbd0fcce97a101996
[10:42] <dmsuse> lol
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[10:43] <simonlc> yeah that sucks especially on busy forums
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[10:43] <RaYmAn> dreamer: My RS rpi was shipped fast from UK to DK with absolutely no issues - I didn't take delivery of it myself, so have no clue if Post Danmark delivered it or someone else.
[10:43] <simonlc> I actually did that exact thing when pulling out a videocard. The capacitor was right on the corner of the card.
[10:44] <dmsuse> videocard?
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> He must have been a bit heavy handed to miss the socket and hit the capacitor..
[10:44] <simonlc> he should've got a case!
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> they're OK without a case - if your careful. I never bothered initially.
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> so Pi kicking about cheap carpet: http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[10:45] <nid0> mine's been running a few weeks with no case, it happily lives headless out of the way next to my tv
[10:46] <piless> dmsuse: Bunch of nazis on these forums
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> afk for a bit. laters.
[10:46] <simonlc> I've been running my headphone amp with no case for 4 years, but I get kind nervous when my staticy pets go near it
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[10:55] <simonlc> also without a case it gets dusty :(
[10:56] <Hourd> yeah =[
[10:56] <Hourd> mine is sat on the foam it came with
[10:56] <piless> simonlc: It's going to get dusty with most of these cases anyway, they have great big holes all over them
[10:58] <simonlc> all these holes, but no bad ass heat sinks
[10:58] <simonlc> I got a few ramsinks I could stick on it
[10:59] <piless> whhhhhhhhhhy
[10:59] <simonlc> could
[10:59] <simonlc> and wont
[10:59] * dmsuse raises eyebrow
[11:00] <piless> want, http://i.minus.com/ibhX0xNnDICAUt.png
[11:01] <simonlc> that's the nicest case so far imo
[11:01] <des2> How much $$$ ?
[11:01] <teh_orph> are there actually cases you can buy yet?
[11:01] <simonlc> the guy that made it doesn't have a Pi yet iirc
[11:02] <simonlc> there's some one shapeways
[11:02] <piless> teh_orph: there's skpanks
[11:02] <piless> skpang*
[11:02] <piless> teh_orph: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-basic-shape-clear-p-1097.html
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[11:03] <teh_orph> not bad
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[11:04] <piless> teh_orph: there's a variation with an attached breadboard if you're into that sort of thing
[11:04] * Hourd really wants to print one
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[11:05] <teh_orph> yeah I'd need a gap for the UART headers to pop out
[11:05] <piless> Hourd: All these printed ones are too expensive and have a terrible texture
[11:05] <piless> injection mould ftw
[11:05] <piless> teh_orph: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/images/raspberrypi/IMG_0003.jpg
[11:05] <simonlc> we need more metal cases
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[11:07] <teh_orph> that case'll do!
[11:08] <Veryevil> Nices case I've seen is this one http://marcoalici.wordpress.com/
[11:08] <Veryevil> Although very expensive
[11:08] <piless> Veryevil: the modmypi case isn't as nice but it uses abs plastic and is muuuuuuch cheaper
[11:09] <simonlc> I like the yellow one more for asthetics, though I like that this one has the lightguides
[11:09] <piless> simonlc: I disagree, it looks terrible with the lightguides, http://marcoalici.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/dsc50041.jpg
[11:10] <simonlc> haha
[11:10] <lennard> hmm
[11:10] <simonlc> well that could be the camera too, but obviously it's very thin
[11:10] <lennard> got my Rpi, but failed to buy a SD card in advance :P
[11:11] <piless> lennard: sd cards are everywhere nowadays, just pop down to tesco
[11:11] <lennard> .nl doesn't have tesco :P
[11:11] <simonlc> or steal one from your gf's frien's camera
[11:11] <lennard> but yes, I can easily get one
[11:11] <piless> really? I thought teso had taken over the world
[11:12] <lennard> nah
[11:12] <simonlc> is teso the european walmart?
[11:12] <lennard> just uk I think
[11:12] <drazyl> technically that's asda
[11:13] <Kolin> walmart own asda
[11:13] <drazyl> but, in the UK they have a similar position
[11:13] <shirro> or aldi
[11:13] <wjt> shirro: hey! i wonder if it might be possible to use dh_install's --sourcedir option
[11:13] <lennard> aldi/lidl are popping up just about everywhere in europe I think
[11:13] <shirro> and in australia - east coast anyway
[11:13] <lennard> but their formula is a bit different, I think
[11:13] <drazyl> isn't aldi german originally anyway?
[11:14] <lennard> yes
[11:14] <piless> aldi and lidl are owned by brothers
[11:14] <shirro> wjt: I don't know. are you happy to add armhf support? It just needs the different path to the hardfp mostly
[11:14] <friggle> wjt: shirro: plus there's the flash-kernel magic. Also, should debian be aware of which of the memory splits the user wants for the start.elf? So when you upgrade and were running with the 224MB for armyou still get that
[11:15] <Hourd> piless: why is printed expensive? surely its cheap
[11:15] <SocksG> piless: I don't think they are.
[11:15] * drazyl will stick with sainsgogs
[11:15] <wjt> friggle: i have a todo on my todo list pad wondering what the best way to do that is
[11:16] <friggle> wjt: in the longer term, we won't have different start.elf hopefully. But at least for the next few months...
[11:17] <piless> Hourd: Because it's a custom job, a case at shapeways will set you back as much as the pi itself
[11:17] <wjt> friggle: hmm, what's the longer-term idea for configuring the split
[11:17] <Hourd> piless: ah right, i meant print it myself
[11:18] <shirro> wjt, friggle: please say dynamically configurable
[11:18] <wjt> shirro: yeah???maintaining two branches of this packaging would seem a waste :)
[11:18] <piless> Hourd: Well if you're printing yourself, then surely you would count the $500 printer as part of the costs?
[11:18] <friggle> wjt: shirro: CMA but I don't know the full details
[11:18] <friggle> wjt: shirro: so yes, dynamic. GPU can request more memory from the ARM
[11:19] <wjt> nifty
[11:20] <shirro> it would be nice to know how much the GPU is using now to see if I can reduce split
[11:21] <teh_orph> I can't seem to do any 3D on the 224/32 split
[11:21] <teh_orph> if so, what's the point??
[11:22] <teh_orph> can't even open a render target
[11:22] <shirro> 32M isn't much for the GPU to work with
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[11:22] <teh_orph> 1280x1024x16 for the framebuffer only takes 5 MB
[11:23] <teh_orph> 32-bit and double buffered for 3D would be 20 MB
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[11:23] <teh_orph> althought the Z buffer too...hmm
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[11:24] <teh_orph> no sorry that's wrong - 1280*1024*16bpp=2MB
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[11:25] <SStrife> plus room for textures
[11:25] <teh_orph> that's what I mean - I can't even get that far!
[11:25] <SStrife> ah
[11:25] <teh_orph> although those binary blobs are quite large, and they ought to live in memory - maybe that consumes some of the 32MB
[11:26] <shirro> Who knows. Is there a way to see how much space is free on the GPU side?
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[11:26] <dmsuse> gpu uses ram doesn't it
[11:27] <teh_orph> I don't think so - it's all managed internally...?
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[11:27] <shirro> has anyone worked out what these commands all do? /opt/vc/bin//vcgencmd commands
[11:28] <teh_orph> no...do we have the source for the program?
[11:28] <shirro> hahahaha
[11:28] <teh_orph> I see there's more vc code on github
[11:28] <shirro> triangle2 - gles 2.0 demo
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[11:28] <shirro> or is there something more recent again?
[11:28] <teh_orph> does it actually draw a triangle this time?
[11:29] <shirro> don't know. haven't looked.
[11:29] <teh_orph> yeah no source for the program
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[11:35] <Hourd> piless: why would i count the printer as part fo the costs if i was getting a printer anyway?
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[11:56] <Davespice> ISS are testing their cameras; http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/live-iss-stream :)
[11:57] <Davespice> Dragon capsule is about 23 KM away
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> Quote from the stream - astronaut is waiting on the ground getting back to them. 'There's no issue with having to delay in the cupola'
[11:58] <Davespice> yeah I was wondering what that meant...
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> (the big windows in the station.)
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> - he can look out at the earth slowly spinning by.
[11:59] <SStrife> for astronauts
[11:59] <SStrife> they dont seem like very competent radio users
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[11:59] <Davespice> well, I imagine they're being a bit informal with each other given that there are only ever going to be two users on that frequency?
[12:00] <SStrife> hm yeah true
[12:00] <Davespice> when did that red blurry effect start?
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[12:00] <SpeedEvil> It's I think from lighting
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[12:02] <Davespice> I really want to watch this on the Pi, and I am thinking this xbmc plugin - "might" work; http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-xstream-plugin/downloads/list
[12:02] <SadMan> should composite/hdmi work on power on or does it need to be initialized by os?
[12:03] <SStrife> gets detected at power on
[12:03] <SStrife> or can be forced in config.txt
[12:03] <Davespice> SadMan: hdmi is usually detected at power on, if not detected it deafults to composite
[12:03] <SadMan> so there should be signal even without sd card?
[12:03] <SStrife> sync maybe, but no picture
[12:04] <SStrife> there's no BIOS or POST screen to speak of
[12:05] <SadMan> hm, not good
[12:05] <SStrife> that's a big maybe
[12:05] <SStrife> i could find out on my scope
[12:05] <Davespice> no you'll not see anything without an SD card
[12:05] <SadMan> Davespice: but tv should detect signal, right?
[12:06] <Davespice> you need to get the OK light to come on, and it the GPU needs to find the FAT32 partition in order for that to happen
[12:06] <SStrife> brb
[12:06] <Davespice> SadMan: I am not sure, are you without an SD card then
[12:07] <SadMan> Davespice: it just arrived, so i dd'ed an image to sd card, powered it on and not getting anything on composite or hdmi
[12:07] <SadMan> so i'm trying to rule out incompatible sd card
[12:07] <Davespice> do you get the OK light come on?
[12:08] <SadMan> nope
[12:08] <Davespice> okay, if you don't get the OK light then it doesn't like that card it looks like
[12:08] <Davespice> basically if OK light stays off, something is wrong with reading the SD card and no output happens at all
[12:08] <teh_orph> power?
[12:09] <Davespice> the red light means its got power
[12:09] <SadMan> ok, i'll try to dig a different card
[12:09] <teh_orph> 'good' power
[12:09] <zgreg> so farnell told me that my pi would come in the week commencing 2012-05-21
[12:09] <zgreg> I haven't heard anything from them yet
[12:09] <Davespice> any old crappy one should be okay, I I've had one class 4 8GB SDHC not work
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[12:10] <Davespice> SadMan: have you manually edited the partitions after doing the DD too?
[12:10] <elmob> zgreg: mine arrived yesterday here in germany
[12:10] <Davespice> sometimes it can be good to check it in gparted to make sure they're all there and are okay
[12:10] <zgreg> elmob: I'm in germany, too. did you get any notification that it was sent out?
[12:11] <DDave> elmob: wo hast du bestellt?
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[12:11] <elmob> zgreg: DDave: farnell. yes i got a email with ups tracking code
[12:11] <DDave> thanks!
[12:12] <DDave> first registered interest?
[12:12] <zgreg> alright... so it's not out yet
[12:12] <zgreg> I have a gut feeling there's a new major delay coming
[12:12] <elmob> at least _very_ early
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[12:12] <DDave> also, how much did it cost in total elmob ?
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[12:13] <elmob> DDave: 38
[12:13] <SadMan> writing image to a different (ancient) card
[12:17] <SadMan> it works
[12:17] <SadMan> thanks guys
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:20] <zgreg> DDave: are you supposed to get a Pi this week as well?
[12:20] <DDave> lol I wish..
[12:20] <DDave> I registered my interest 5 minutes ago
[12:20] <DDave> I guess Ill have a nice christmas gift!
[12:21] <elmob> :D
[12:21] <DDave> i still dont know why they dont ramp up productions ANOTHER notch..
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[12:24] <zgreg> I wish there would be more transparency as to how to the order queue works, and where you are standing
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[12:24] <DDave> +1
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[12:24] <elmob> imho farnell and rs handle the pi stuff quite chaotic
[12:24] <simonlc> I just made a case out of a cereal box
[12:24] <zgreg> quite?
[12:25] <esotera> probably because they don't want to overproduce
[12:25] <simonlc> it's actually pretty badass, I'm proud of it
[12:25] <zgreg> it's just horrible
[12:25] <esotera> a lot of people have ordered from all suppliers
[12:25] <zgreg> they don't even really follow a fair first-come first-serve schedule
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[12:26] <DDave> so if im really lucky I will get my order tomorrow? :D
[12:26] <elmob> farnell send me my money back without any notice but i got my pi anyway. no idea what happened there
[12:26] <zgreg> and they promise shipping dates they can't fulfill
[12:26] <teh_orph> so you didn't pay and go a pi?
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[12:26] <RaYmAn> zgreg: if they said the week starting with the 21st they still have two days to send it ;)
[12:27] <elmob> i payed but they didnt want my money ;)
[12:27] <zgreg> elmob: I guess so, but elmob should be in the same batch as me
[12:27] <elmob> zgreg: what is the status at the farnell page?
[12:27] <zgreg> err, I was trying to address rayman :)
[12:28] <zgreg> elmob: "in bearbeitung", if I remember correctly
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[12:28] <elmob> zgreg: until the day of delivery it was "autragsnummer generiert". on day of delivery it was "in bearbeitung"
[12:28] <RaYmAn> zgreg: I also had a "week of 21st" ship date and it was sent yesterday.
[12:28] <zgreg> elmob: it's been "in bearbeitung" for a week or something
[12:28] <elmob> zgreg: maybe today is your day
[12:28] <elmob> oh ok
[12:29] <RaYmAn> they probably just grab the big bunch of pis to send out this week and send out as many as possible each day =P
[12:29] <zgreg> I dunno, but if I don't have a confirmation tomorrow I'll phone them
[12:30] <RaYmAn> pretty obvious I guess, but did you check your spam mail? :)
[12:30] <Davespice> SadMan: there is a list of tested SD cards here; http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoardVerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[12:30] <zgreg> a push back to end of june would not surprise me, really
[12:31] <zgreg> RaYmAn: yes
[12:31] <SadMan> Davespice: and the one that didn't work is right there ;-)
[12:32] <Davespice> oh right, does it say that it does work on that list?
[12:32] <RaYmAn> zgreg: fwiw, once mine was sent it took only a day from UK to DK...Pretty quick delivery
[12:32] <zgreg> might I ask, when did you order?
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[12:32] <SadMan> Davespice: yeah, it's among those working ones, i'll give it an another try later
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[12:33] <SadMan> kingston 8gb class 10
[12:33] <Davespice> ahh right? I am using a Kingston class 10 16 GB at home and it worked
[12:33] <RaYmAn> zgreg: my order receipt says "Feb 29, 12:42PM CET"
[12:33] <Davespice> the ultimateX 100X
[12:33] <SadMan> that's the one
[12:34] <Davespice> hmm... strange, if you totally fail to make it work, no matter what you try - it might be worth it to email the guy who maintains that list
[12:35] <Davespice> Maybe its because of this, see the note at top; "Note that manufacturers change their designs over time, even as the specs stay the same. (E.g. an ACME 8 GB class 4 card manufactured in 2011 might work, while one manufactured in 2012 might not.) For this reason, please specify product numbers in the lists below, when possible."
[12:35] <zgreg> why is SD card compatibility such a major fuckup anyway?
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: It's general.
[12:36] <chris_99> it is mini-usb that the Pi uses right?
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: SD cards are a nightmare wth most devices.
[12:36] <SadMan> chris_99: micro
[12:36] <Davespice> zgreg: I think its to do with the voltage they require to work properly
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: It's just that an _enormous_ amount of compatibility testing and hacks are done.
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> (though the voltage thing too0
[12:36] <zgreg> well, I actually made my own SD interface with an MCU and had little problems
[12:36] <chris_99> oh thanks SadMan
[12:37] <zgreg> there's something really broken with the firmware or hardware, I guess
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: but you probably weren;'t trying to run it at maximum speed
[12:37] <shirro> I haven't had sd card issues (apart from speed). it is the usb that causes me problems.
[12:37] <RaYmAn> zgreg: as far as I've gathered, almost all sd's will work, but a lot would have to be forced to work at a much slower rate
[12:37] <zgreg> also, SD might be somewhat messy, but others can make it work with good compatibility
[12:37] <zgreg> so that's hardly a good excuse
[12:37] <Davespice> I think we'll find that if we delve into it hard decisions had to be made to meet the price point and a cheapish SD card reader was used
[12:38] <zgreg> well, SD is integrated into the SoC... not possible to save any money there :)
[12:38] <Davespice> its one of the simplest SD card readers I've ever seen, most of the ones you get have a little spring load mechanism
[12:38] <RaYmAn> Davespice: you are talking about SD card slots, not the actual reader :P
[12:39] <Davespice> RaYmAn: okay
[12:39] <zgreg> and I really really doubt the card reader mechanics are root of the trouble
[12:39] <chris_99> does anyone have link to a decent power supply for the Pi on Amazon?
[12:39] <Davespice> chris_99: an Amazon Kindle one will work perfectly
[12:39] <chris_99> oh interesting
[12:40] * Hourd will be testing out a portable usb charger tomorow with the pi
[12:40] <RaYmAn> zgreg: the issue is apparently that high speed sd's require switching to 1.8v (from 3.3v) when using the high speed mode. The Pi has SD vdd vired up directly to 3.3v, so it can't switch. Some cards will work with 3.3v in highspeed, but the specification doesn't require them to.
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[12:40] <zgreg> I know, but I don't understand why it hasn't been fixed yet. this is a firmware issue.
[12:41] <teh_orph> can't they just drop down a speed level to something that supports 3.3v?
[12:41] <vespakoen> Hey guys =) how can I setup networking on my debian image?
[12:41] <RaYmAn> how is it a firmware issue?
[12:41] * gordonDrogon returns.
[12:41] <Hourd> hai gordonDrogon
[12:41] <vespakoen> there's no tool on there by default right?
[12:41] <zgreg> RaYmAn: because the firmware configures the SD reader
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> vespakoen, it should "just work" ...
[12:41] <vespakoen> well it does not hehe
[12:41] <vespakoen> now what ?
[12:41] <RaYmAn> zgreg: yes, but the only "fix" possible is to hack up kernel to not switch to high speed
[12:41] <Davespice> vespakoen: I take it you mean Windows Networking and shares? or just networking in general?
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> vespakoen, is it plugged in?
[12:42] <vespakoen> wait a sec, no, internet connection
[12:42] <vespakoen> it is running ;)
[12:42] <Davespice> try ping www.google.com
[12:42] <vespakoen> I am familiar with vim etc, so , just need to know where the settings are i guess hehe
[12:42] <zgreg> well, currently high speeds aren't used anyway
[12:42] <Davespice> if you get a reply you're in the clear
[12:42] <vespakoen> nope, nothing
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> vespakoen, the settings at default are to obtain an IP address using DHCP.
[12:43] <vespakoen> hmzz, that is strange, ill try another router / cable thne
[12:43] <zgreg> plus, as far as I know, *all* SD 3.0 cards must also support the whole set of SD 1.1 speeds
[12:43] <Davespice> okay well, it could be a multitude of things, start checking cables
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> so start by trying: sudo mii-tool
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> and seeing what the produces.
[12:43] <vespakoen> mii-tool ?
[12:43] <zgreg> i.e. up to 4-bit 50 MHz transfers at 3.3V
[12:43] <SadMan> wondering why there's no sshd on that debian image, i don't have usb keyboard handy
[12:43] <vespakoen> cool thanks for that, will try it in a bit
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> mii-tool will report a cable being plugged in or not.
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> that's the first check.
[12:43] <vespakoen> yeh i see =)
[12:43] <RaYmAn> zgreg: from what I've read, the bootloader does manage to read kernel off sd on pretty much all cards - just kernel fails to load stuff off card
[12:43] <vespakoen> im going to write this stuff down =)
[12:43] <Davespice> RaYmAn: it's good to know its only a firmware issue and can be fixed without changing the hardware
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> then you see if you got an ip address: /sbin/ifconfig -a
[12:43] <RaYmAn> zgreg: so yes, forcing it to a lower speed clearly works.
[12:43] <chris_99> so this should work with the Pi http://www.amazon.co.uk/iBox-Charger-Amazon-Kindle-Display/dp/B0047UC3E0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1337856075&sr=8-3
[12:44] <chris_99> ?
[12:44] <chris_99> 1000mA apparently
[12:44] <RaYmAn> Davespice: It's not a firmware issue. It's a hardware issue. It can probably be worked around in software though (as the expense of class10 speeds :( )
[12:44] <elmob> chris_99: should do it
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> if the Pi can't change to 1.8V then it'll never drive the high-speed cards successfully...
[12:44] <chris_99> awesome, right i'll order that and some Transcend memory cards
[12:44] <Tachyon`> well, it's limited to 1200mA but yes
[12:44] <Davespice> RaYmAn: oh right okay...
[12:45] <vespakoen> gordonDrogon, that is the same as sudo ifconfig right ?
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> vespakoen, yes
[12:45] <shirro> eatmydata gives me better than class 10 speeds :-) - but seriously apt would be unusable without it
[12:45] <vespakoen> allright
[12:45] <RaYmAn> gordonDrogon: why not? Afaik the cards can physically work at 3.3v - but require 1.8v to work in highspeed mode?
[12:45] <Davespice> chris_99: all you need to make sure is that it puts out 5 volts and 0.7mA+
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> shirro, using eatmydata on the Pi? I've been using it on my AAO for a few weeks now... Looking good!
[12:45] <zgreg> RaYmAn: what do you mean with highspeed anyway? UHS?
[12:46] <vespakoen> is there a media player that works out of the box too? like VLC ?
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> RaYmAn, that's what I understand - you start them at 3.3, then if they can do high speed, you change the voltage to 1.8 then crank up the clock.,
[12:46] <vespakoen> (this is for when i have internet ;)
[12:46] <chris_99> cheers, that can definitely do that Davespice
[12:46] <shirro> I just use it before I apt-get or make - not all the time. have journalling off, noatime etc but eatmydata rules them all
[12:46] <RaYmAn> gordonDrogon: yeah - and probably send a specific SD command to tell it to work at a higher speed
[12:47] <zgreg> RaYmAn: because the standard high-speed modes must work at 3.3V
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> shirro, yea, that's a good idea. on a per-command basis... I'm using it full-time on the AAO :)
[12:47] <RaYmAn> zgreg: yeah - that's the part I'm still not sure about.
[12:48] <shirro> it is the stuff that does a lot of small ops that have to wait for sync - compiles and apt that it really speeds up a lot. I guess it was originally for database loads which is another good use
[12:48] <RaYmAn> zgreg: I've seen some indications that some class 10 cards use the UHS-1 specification
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> shirro, it makes firefox on the AAO almost usable :)
[12:48] <shirro> interesting. that might be sqlite related
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> yes - lots of fsyncs )-:
[12:49] <Davespice> I have a Kingston 16 GB class 10 at home which works and it did work noticably quicker than some cheapo Jessops ones I bought
[12:49] <zgreg> RaYmAn: yeah, but that does not mean these cards do not support the older modes properly
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> which is right and proper for a database, however...
[12:49] <RaYmAn> zgreg: according to wikipedia: "All SD card families initially use a 3.3-volt electrical interface. On command, SDHC and SDXC cards switch to 1.8-volt operation.[39]"
[12:50] <RaYmAn> zgreg: it links to https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/pls/simplified_specs/Part_1_Physical_Layer_Simplified_Specification_Ver_3.01_Final_100518.pdf as source
[12:50] <zgreg> RaYmAn: yes, but 1.8V signalling is only required for the new UHS modes
[12:50] <zgreg> the standards high-speed mode (up to 25 MB/s) is still supported
[12:50] <zgreg> at 3.3V, to be precise
[12:51] <RaYmAn> zgreg: yes. So we need to override the kernel detection to never allow UHS.
[12:51] <RaYmAn> or rather, ignore it if the card claims to support it
[12:51] <zgreg> if that is the issue, yes
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[12:52] <RaYmAn> zgreg: Indeed. I'd love to verify it, but I don't really fancy having to buy a non-supported card to verify ;)
[12:52] <zgreg> apparently the pi always uses bus speeds far slower than the maximum of 50 MHz, though
[12:52] <zgreg> if you check out some benchmarks, they top at about 6 MB/s
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> I have a transcend 4GB class 6 card that is sometimes "dodgy" in the Pi...
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> one day it'll work, the next, fs errors )-:
[12:52] <zgreg> that indicates no more than ~12 MHz is used
[12:53] <zgreg> maybe the pi's hardware is dodgy, after all
[12:53] <RaYmAn> zgreg: I'd imagine the linux kernel would choose SDR25 over "High speed mode"
[12:54] <zgreg> I haven't looked at the driver code (yet), but I don't see why it should be hard to completely disable UHS-1 1.8V modes and force certain bus modes instead
[12:55] <zgreg> so, if that is the issue, why hasn't it been fixed yet?
[12:55] <RaYmAn> good question. :)
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[12:56] <chris_99> gordonDrogon, i've have no problems with Transcend class 10 on my SLR
[12:56] <cromag> it seems there is some vbox stuff missing on the repo
[12:57] <Davespice> RaYmAn: so... just to clarify things in my mind - the card reports in can switch to the low voltage mode so the read accepts this, but then the hardware is unable to change to that voltage so it fails from that point onwards?
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, your SLR isn't my Pi ...
[12:57] <zgreg> yes, the hardware canno switch to 1.8V
[12:57] <chris_99> indeed heh
[12:57] <RaYmAn> Davespice: that's the latest theory as far as I know, yes. (The datasheet for RPi shows that VDD is directly hooked up to 3.3v)
[12:57] <Davespice> but the reader is actually thinking it can...
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'll give it another go.
[12:57] <Davespice> okay cool
[12:58] <teh_orph> you could always use two SD cards, with a crappy one for /boot in the pi, and the 2nd fast one attached via a USB SD reader...
[12:58] <fALSO> lol
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> ?? If going to do that, then use a real drive on the USB :)
[12:58] <fALSO> this keeps getting better and better
[12:58] <teh_orph> that's what I'd do
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> fALSO, what does?
[12:59] <teh_orph> by people don't like powering a big hard disk
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[12:59] <teh_orph> USB SD readers can be dinky
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[12:59] <zgreg> lol the SD driver has a maximum clock of 20 MHZ hardcoded... wtf
[12:59] <Hourd> use a decent usb stick?
[12:59] <zgreg> that might explain the shitty performance
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> wonder if that's a limitation of the SoC ?
[13:00] <teh_orph> I suppose if the SoC would be in a phone you wouldn't use SD too much
[13:00] <teh_orph> you'd use some internal flash
[13:01] <zgreg> I'd rather guess that there are issues with signal quality due to the pi's PCB layout and that's why only up to 20 MHz are used
[13:01] <zgreg> but that would be really bad
[13:01] <RaYmAn> zgreg: shouldn't that still allow around 10MB/s? :P Not huge, but class 10 ;)
[13:02] <zgreg> RaYmAn: it's the raw speed, and the real throughput is a bit lower, I guess you could get maybe 8-9 MB/s out of that?
[13:02] <shirro> I wish git used less memory.
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[13:04] <chris_99> i was going to try to resize the partitions for the Pi using gparted
[13:04] <chris_99> but couldn't get it to work
[13:04] <chris_99> becuase the / partition doesn't seem to be at the end
[13:05] <chris_99> near the free space
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[13:13] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, you can do it live on the pi..
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, see https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/ for some hints...
[13:13] <zgreg> the SD driver doesn't even contain code to do UHS-I initialization, so I don't understand how wrong voltage could be the issue
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> my way removes the swap partition and replaces it with a swap file though..
[13:14] <chris_99> ah ok, i'll probably keep the swap partition for speed
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[13:19] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, theres really not much in it for partition vs. file these days.
[13:20] <chris_99> probably, i'd just like to get whatever little speed advantage i can though
[13:20] <lennard> just use lvm :P
[13:20] <chris_99> heh
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> I've actually stopped using a swap partition on servers now - if they really need it, I can add in a file.
[13:20] <chris_99> really?!
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, I doubt you'd notice it - let's face it if the Pi swap,s it's more or less game over...
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
[13:21] <lennard> I like to add a little swap
[13:21] <chris_99> on my VPS i need swap as its only got 512M
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> yes, a little is handy.
[13:21] <lennard> to shove the used but inactive swap in
[13:21] <RaYmAn> zgreg: I agree it seems a bit odd. (also, UHS supprot is in drivers/mmc/core/mmc.c, not the host driver
[13:21] <lennard> especially on low-mem devices :P
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, surprised they allow swap on a VPS - they must have disk bandwidth to spare...
[13:21] <chris_99> linode i use
[13:21] <chris_99> they let you do whatever
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> my pi currently:
[13:21] <chris_99> as you have root
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[13:22] <gordonDrogon> Kb Mem: 223324 total, 178468 used, 44856 free, 22524 buffers
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> Kb Swap: 131068 total, 1456 used, 129612 free, 107324 cached
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[13:22] <gordonDrogon> it's running xfce4, only one xterm open and I've been doing some compiling.
[13:22] <zgreg> RaYmAn: yeah, UHS support is there in the kernel frameworks, but the driver disables it completely
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> hm. what's the ps option to tell what's in swap these days..
[13:24] <zgreg> the sdhci driver sets both broken_voltage and broken_uhs flags
[13:24] <RaYmAn> zgreg: seems so. We really need cid, csd and ext_csd dump of a card that works fine in bootloader, but kernel breaks with it.
[13:24] <zgreg> that indicates neither 1.8V are possible nor UHS speeds
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[13:28] <SStrife> i am back
[13:29] <SStrife> and i can confirm that there is nothing but noise on the composite output
[13:29] <SStrife> with no SD card inserted
[13:29] <zgreg> why does that matter?
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> swapfile is identical in performance to swap partition.
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> see: http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0507.0/1690.html
[13:30] <SStrife> someone was asking earlier
[13:30] <zgreg> composite output is pretty useless anyway
[13:31] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: as long as the swapfile isn't fragmented
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, sure.
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[13:31] <gordonDrogon> so create it at install time with dd.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> I needed to use composite output when I first got my Pi - and I've used it for a couple of demos to a projector which has only had compost or vga input...
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> it works fine for me...
[13:32] <SStrife> it's legible on a nice sharp CRT, like the 1084S
[13:33] <SStrife> *perfectly legible
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg :)
[13:34] <zgreg> SStrife: I even have that monitor, but no, composite is NEVER fine
[13:34] <SStrife> yes yes, you showed me that, and I'm still impressed by it :D
[13:35] <zgreg> enve on the c-64, composite qualityis crap compared to s-video
[13:35] <zgreg> *even
[13:35] <SStrife> of course, compared to s-video
[13:35] <SStrife> or RGB
[13:35] <SStrife> but Pi lacks those outputs ;)
[13:35] <zgreg> composite isn't even good enough for a 80x25 text terminal
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[13:36] <SStrife> hm, when i was using it just now, it seemed like bigger text than you'd normally get with 80x25
[13:36] <zgreg> remember that the amiga had a "TV mode" that reduced resolution so you had about 60x24 characters on the scren? that's about the upper limit for composite and readability
[13:37] <SStrife> yeah
[13:37] <SStrife> and i think that Pi uses a mode thats something like that
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[13:37] <SStrife> no way I was seeing 80 columns
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> I can make out 80 columns on that green monitor OK.
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> Well - it's a bit fuzzy, but I can still make it out.
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> I got it with an old BBC Micro.
[13:38] <zgreg> anyway, I died a little inside when some guy wanted to tell me composite wasn't actually that much worse than HDMI
[13:38] <mjr> heh
[13:38] <SStrife> hahaha
[13:38] <SStrife> nub
[13:38] * gordonDrogon boggles
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> in-fact, in that photo the Pi is running in 640x480 mode on the monitor.
[13:39] <zgreg> and I cringe when I see people that think about using desktop-style applications with composite output
[13:39] <mjr> well, using composite will not kill your kids, so it's not "that" much worse
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> the characters are 8x8... so it's 80 column.
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> I've not tried it on my TV yet. Maybe I'll try that at lunchtime...
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> I have a BIG old Sony flatscreen tube
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[13:41] <zgreg> just keep in mind that you'll never really get much more than 640x240 out of composite :p
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> need to take it out of the skpang sandwidch case...
[13:41] <zgreg> and you'll be bothered by various artefacts, like the typical dot-crawl
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> yea, I know )-: once upon a time I did a lot of low-level programming/design on video generators...
[13:42] <SStrife> couldn't figure out why quake was crashing
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> mug of tea time... brb
[13:42] <SStrife> i forgot the raspbian image has a 100MHz overclock by default
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[13:43] <wjt> friggle: http://willthompson.co.uk/misc/raspi/ has some debs of the 1.0-1 tag I just made. let me know if you have trouble with the
[13:43] <wjt> friggle: *them---i'm going to be out for the rest of today, but more on this story tomorrow :)
[13:44] <wjt> shirro: i'll take a look at an armhf variant tomorrow
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[13:47] <gordonDrogon> 100MHz overclock of what?
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> well posties been and gone, no Farnell or RS Pi from postie. UPS man has still to come though.
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[13:53] <shirro> why doesn't vmstat on the Pi ever show any i/o?
[13:53] <MikeH> Is there a Python GPIO interface yet?
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> MikeH, Sure
[13:53] <jamesglanville> hi, i'm trying to get my second pi to boot with my first one's sd card, when I plug it into the tv it says how it's renaming eth0 to eth1, and not configuring it - is there a way to get it to forget what I presume was the old mac address? I can't connect via ethernet right now
[13:54] <MikeH> gordonDrogon: Can you point me towards any documentation, please?
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> MikeH, er... I've never used it, just know it exists... hang on ..
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[13:54] <MikeH> I've Googled, and perhaps I'm being an idiot, but all I can find is some news articles that claim it's coming soon
[13:54] <Dagger2> jamesglanville: try deleting /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> MikeH, Try this one: (I think there are several) http://quick2wire.com/2012/05/quick2wire-python-api-released/
[13:54] <jamesglanville> Dagger2: cheers
[13:55] <SadMan> jamesglanville: try editting /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> So just called Farnell - my Pi was dispatched but the cheapskates are using Royal Mail 2nd class delivery - 5-7 days!!!
[13:55] <MikeH> Is there any way to track your delivery status with RS?
[13:56] <IT_Sean> You've waited this long. Another week won't kill you
[13:56] <MikeH> I paid for mine early last week I think, and haven't heard anything since
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> oh the wait isn't an issue - it's knowing if I need to be in to sign for it, etc.
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> it looks like it's not "signed for"...
[13:57] <Hourd> gordonDrogon: yeah mine was just left
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> MikeH, IF you want to do something in C, then: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/ might help...
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> Postie knows I have a big letterbox, so if it's a jiffy bag, etc. it'll go through.
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[13:58] <[SLB]> [ Thanks PiBot for the +v ]
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[13:58] <gordonDrogon> Hm. some posties don't know that as it's at the side door to the house - one posted a CD through the front-door letterbox - a quaint victorian affair... not big enough to take a CD un-crunched )-:
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[13:59] <SpeedEvil> He crunched a CD?
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> That takes effort.
[13:59] <MikeH> gordonDrogon: After spending a lot of time with Arduinos, I'm quite looking forward to using a high-level language for my next project :P
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> someone did.
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> MikeH, my wiring library is very arduino-like... the down-side is that for now, you need to be root...
[14:01] <IT_Sean> Raspis should be dispatched with a label on the package that reads "On pain of death, do not bend, fold, or crunch"
[14:01] <Hourd> bah root
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> MikeH, Hm. What do you mean by high level - isn't C high enough? :-)
[14:01] <MikeH> gordonDrogon: C is considered a low level language, usually ;)
[14:01] <Hourd> java \o/
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> MikeH, I can give you Wiring in BASIC if you want :)
[14:02] <MikeH> Python is fine :)
[14:02] <MikeH> Hourd: Has anyone ported a javavm to the Pi yet?
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> MikeH, see http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/sht15.rtb for an example :)
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> Haven't Oracle?
[14:02] <Hourd> MikeH: do you want it?
[14:03] <jamesglanville> urgh, why is my pi not booting? :( it's headless, and I have no mouse or keyboard, and can't get the ethernet up :(
[14:03] <MikeH> Hourd: Nope, I hate Java
[14:03] <Hourd> thank god
[14:03] <zgreg> there are various java implementations available for the pi
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> jamesglanville, any way you can put a head on it?
[14:03] <jamesglanville> gordonDrogon: only a tv maybe, no input
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> jamesglanville, tv's better than nothing...
[14:04] <zgreg> I never understood the java hate
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[14:05] <jamesglanville> gordonDrogon: how would I get anything more than a cmd prompt though is the thing?
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> the trouble with sumertime is that things fly in when the windows are open. Proper vuvuzela this time.
[14:05] <zgreg> java is not perfect, but the standard library is pretty good
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> jamesglanville, just getting output to the TV will let you see it's working...
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> jamesglanville, then go to tesco and buy a ?4.95 keyboard.
[14:05] <jamesglanville> yeah i might have to :(
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> that's what I did.
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> caught and released the vuvuzela (aka bumblebee)
[14:06] <simonlc> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6459
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> simonlc, excellent :)
[14:08] <simonlc> thanks
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> when they first published the board drawings I had a mind to produce something with xfig which I could print to card and fold, but never got round to it...
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> insert tab A into slot B ..
[14:10] <SStrife> epic pics from the ISS right now
[14:10] <SStrife> http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/live-iss-stream
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> wheres the dragon ..
[14:11] <SStrife> they're fishing for it with Canadarm
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[14:12] <SStrife> aww
[14:12] <SStrife> feed down
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> as another alien flys past..
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> SStrife: They have done the burn to seperate the two craft for today
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> SStrife: nothing more till tomorrow
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[14:15] <Davespice> oh damn, I was just in a meeting - did I miss the module fly by?
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> yes
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> More tomorrow
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> docking - if NASA agrees
[14:17] <Davespice> dman it, anyone take screen grabs?
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> It was 2.5km out
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> it's not going to be very large
[14:17] <Davespice> oh so like a dot with a flashing light? :)
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> - I missed it too
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> pretty much
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> Tomorrow it does lots of approaching to 200m or so, backing off, thinking about it, ...
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> before finally docking
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> or being grabbed and docked...
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> Technically, yes.
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> wonder why they won't let it dock directly. I'm sure it's been tested and simulated 100's of times...
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> I don't consider that a very meaningful distinction
[14:21] <IT_Sean> It's NASA. They are into foreplay
[14:21] <SStrife> it doesnt just get grabbed
[14:21] <SStrife> It gets grabber, ey?
[14:21] <SStrife> grabbed*
[14:21] <Davespice> I saw a shot of the docking arm and I thought it was already docked for a minute
[14:21] <Davespice> then I relaised that was the grabbing mechanism I was looking at ;)
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> Because if it's some way away from the station - with the thrusters locked into a low-power mode - there is time for the astronaut to abort it, if things go wrong
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> I think it's more of a "showing who's boss" type of thing myself. These private boys, etc ...
[14:23] <Davespice> thats an awesome shot right now :)
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> So they've got no choice but to let the grab/dock happen.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> I'd have thought that with all the tech. they have, they could get the camera to auto-track the end of the arm - looks like it's being moved manually...
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> That involves writing the software, testing it, simulating it, getting approval, ...
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> working out what happens if it goes wrong
[14:25] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> it's only a tracking camera...
[14:26] <SStrife> are there steps anywhere for manually updating the rpi firmware?
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[14:26] <SStrife> rpi-update doesn't seem to work for me
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> SStrife: Power off, pull out old card, insert new card, power on
[14:26] <SStrife> ha.
[14:27] <SStrife> i can see the files in github
[14:27] <SStrife> but i'm not 100% sure which ones to grab
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[14:29] <SStrife> do I just dump the files from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot into /boot?
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[14:33] <[SLB]> [ Thanks PiBot for the +v ]
[14:33] <IT_Sean> PiBot is a bot, SLB.
[14:34] * gordonDrogon suspects he knows that :)
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[14:34] <SStrife> ooh feed is back
[14:34] <IT_Sean> You think?
[14:34] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:34] <SStrife> canadarm is moving around :)
[14:35] <SStrife> with insane speed!
[14:35] <SStrife> (not really)
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> heh.. I was over on my workbench and it went beep and someone was talking - gave me a start!
[14:35] <SStrife> haha same
[14:35] <[SLB]> i know, am on mirc at the moment and that was from a script
[14:36] <IT_Sean> ahh
[14:36] <IT_Sean> kinky.
[14:36] <[SLB]> eheh old forgotten stuff lol :)
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> Ye gods. How had can it be to get a robot arm working!
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> I think I'll switch the view off now - it's too depressing listening to it all.
[14:39] <friggle> wjt: thanks, I need to blitz through a bunch of integration+testing work, hopefully this evening...
[14:40] <[SLB]> hm i was thinking, does the gpio in the raspi make it feels the need of more i/o lines or it's quite a good gpio itself for you people that have been playing with it?
[14:41] <[SLB]> (i myself haven't received my rasp yet)
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> it's fine for small projects.
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> up to 17 IO pins without serial/i2c/spi ...
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[14:42] <Veryevil> SStrife: do you know when the Dragon is going to dock? Is it oing to be with Canada Arm?
[14:42] <[SLB]> ah nice, sounds good eheh
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> I've not looked at the i2c/spi drivers yet though.
[14:42] <SStrife> Veryevil: no idea sorry
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> biggest issue will be people used to 5v logic now using 3.3v
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[14:43] <Veryevil> SStrife: Shame would love to see it dock
[14:43] <[SLB]> oh right
[14:43] <SStrife> i agree
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], and the avalable drive current is quite low - compared to arduino (which a lot of people are used to), anyway
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> so LEDs and switches and low-power device are fine, but anything more and you'll need buffering.
[14:44] <SStrife> I like the idea of using opto-couplers
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, they're a fiddle though - depends on what you're taking to too.
[14:44] <SStrife> since the gpio pins are directly attached to pins on the CPU
[14:44] <SStrife> yea tru
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[14:45] <gordonDrogon> a darlington driver will drive small relays and should give enough isolation for most uses.
[14:45] <[SLB]> i see, here though we have interfaces with higher level programming languages which is also a good thing
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> Python and C ...
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> and BASIC :)
[14:45] <[SLB]> eheh :)
[14:45] <SStrife> you could code in PHP if you wanted
[14:46] <SStrife> provided the libs are available
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> yea, PHP to access the /sys/class devices...
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> in the same way the python libs do.
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> my C routines use the /dev/mem interface.
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[14:47] <SStrife> arg, still getting "Controller never released inhibit bits"
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> Heh... Just DD's /dev/zero to fill the SD card: 2185113600 bytes (2.2 GB) copied, 772.23 s, 2.8 MB/s
[14:49] <SStrife> sigh, sleep time
[14:49] <SStrife> seeyas later
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, enjoy!
[14:49] <SStrife> i plan to :)
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[14:49] <[SLB]> i don't remember where i read it, is it true that microsd in adapter won't work for the raspi?
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> for what?
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> It should work just fine.
[14:49] * urs is using a microSD right now, works fine
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> It's electrically identical
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> Well - not strictly true - there is no CS pin
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> but that's mostly irrelevant
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> I'm using a microsd adapter right now.
[14:50] <[SLB]> ah ok, cool, i was wondering indeed, i don't remember where i read it won't boot or something, but glad it does ehe
[14:50] <simonlc> every time I try to wget a large file raspbian exploads and the file never finishes :(
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> simonlc, have you got smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N in /boot/cmdline.txt ?
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> if not, try it ...
[14:51] <simonlc> what's it do?
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> I guess it turns turbo_mode off in the ethernet chip...
[14:52] <Veryevil> there is another mod thats needed too
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> I was having the same issues with apt-get and it uses wget IIRC ..
[14:52] <Veryevil> the sysctl.conf
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> however I was only getting it when I overclocked my Pi ..
[14:52] <Veryevil> i think
[14:52] <friggle> Veryevil: not necessarily needed
[14:52] <friggle> Veryevil: I find one or the other works
[14:52] <Veryevil> itsn it missing in Raspbian?
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> #vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288
[14:52] <friggle> but yes, vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288 in /etc/sysctl.conf is another one to try
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[14:53] <gordonDrogon> my pi's now been running at 900MHz + 500MHz mem speed for a couple of weeks now.
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> I'd almsot forgotten about it.
[14:53] <[SLB]> ah found, it was on the fedora remix installation page "An SD or SDHC card, with a capacity of 2GB or more. (Good-quality class 4 cards usually work well). Do not use a MicroSD card with an adapter -- it will not be recognized by the Raspberry Pi."
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> Hm. well, it's wrong...
[14:54] <friggle> indeed
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> or we're lucky :)
[14:54] <[SLB]> must be old info
[14:54] <[SLB]> good eheh
[14:54] <friggle> some SD cards do/have had issues. I haven't found microsd to be more of a problem
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> I'm going to give my old transcend another go.. (that's why I just filled mine with zeros - makes it compress better)
[14:56] <Gadget-Work> Anyone think that isolated i2c for Pi would be useful ?
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> In principle, yes.
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[14:57] <dmsuse> my case came :D
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> dmsuse: Wipe it off.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, not sure if it's needed - the i2c sensors are typically low-powered and not talking to anything else...
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> Though that too
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, and you can use level converters to drive 5V ones...
[14:58] <Gadget-Work> I know.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> just wondering if it's extra complications for minimal gain?
[14:59] <Gadget-Work> Isolation of course comes with a cost. With Pi so cheap is it worth it for those 'might happen' cases
[14:59] <drazyl> if the replacement turn-around is 3 months, I'd say yes
[15:00] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, can you get latching Solid state relays
[15:00] <Gadget-Work> drazyl, you mean you don't have a cold spare ;)
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, don't know, really. I've only used straight on/off ones...
[15:00] <drazyl> I'm waiting to even have a hot primary
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[15:02] <mjr> oh, this wasn't #polyamory after all
[15:02] <Gadget-Work> Need to look at level conversion for my i2c to 1-wire stuff. Currently looking at http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8745 anything better around ?
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, heh.. just had a weird though - use 2 SS relays to control a momo valve and get the valve to drive microswitches to control "stuff" :) (momo is motor on / motor off - used in plumbing :)
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[15:03] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, hmm.
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, a bit OTT :)
[15:03] <Gadget-Work> Might as well use a latching relay :)
[15:03] <stuk_gen> cool have you seen this? http://apc.io/about/
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> stuk_gen, Yea - been talk about it the past 2 days... check the power consumption )-:
[15:05] <stuk_gen> gordonDrogon: where is technicla detail? i cant find
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[15:06] <stuk_gen> gordonDrogon: ok is a VIA, so is a pc... so i think is consume a lot...but this is not a problem in my case :P
[15:07] <RaYmAn> stuk_gen: it's an ARM SoC, not x86. VIA does make other things than pc's ;)
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[15:08] <gordonDrogon> stuk_gen, then go buy one..
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> stuk_gen, more detals here http://www.reghardware.com/2012/05/22/chip_maker_via_outs_49_dollar_raspberry_pi_alike/
[15:08] <stuk_gen> RaYmAn: ARM SOC? ...where you read this information? this site offer only photos..
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> and there was another site someone posted yesterday - 4W idle, up to 30W running IIRC.
[15:08] <stuk_gen> ok thanks!
[15:08] <drazyl> "The 170 x 85mm APC sports an 800MHz ARM 11 CPU - VIA's own WonderMedia 8750 "
[15:09] <RaYmAn> ^^
[15:09] <fALSO> will it run with BLOBS too as the pi ?
[15:09] <piless> hmm the punnet
[15:09] <piless> http://squareitround.co.uk/Resources/Punnet_net_Alpha3.pdf
[15:09] <teh_orph> wup wup, just got hardware 3D running in an X window!
[15:09] <teh_orph> ship it...
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[15:10] <Kolin> SHIP IT!
[15:10] <simonlc> piless: I made a similar one out of a cereal box, it's very good
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> piless, is that sized for A4 ?
[15:10] <Veryevil> SHIP IT
[15:10] <fALSO> threepio, on the pi?
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[15:10] <fALSO> teh_orph, on the pi
[15:10] <teh_orph> fo reals, dawg
[15:10] <Veryevil> teh_orph: Video or it didn't happen
[15:10] <piless> gordonDrogon: yeah
[15:11] <teh_orph> I'm at work at the mo, so I'll get a vid later
[15:11] <Veryevil> Sweet#
[15:11] <shirro> how are you doing it?
[15:11] <Veryevil> How far off now do you think till your ready to release it>
[15:11] <teh_orph> shirro: it's so undocumented...
[15:11] <friggle> teh_orph: as in, you can drag it about and move other windows over it and it 'does that right thing'?
[15:11] <friggle> *the
[15:11] <shirro> just roughtly. am curious
[15:11] <teh_orph> friggle: yep
[15:11] <teh_orph> shirro: replace the eglCreateWindowSurface (sic) with eglCreatePixmapSurface
[15:12] <teh_orph> which is a PITA in itself
[15:12] <shirro> I can put a dispmanx layer on the screen where an x window is but I can't do overlap.
[15:12] <teh_orph> a bit of glReadPixels, XDrawImage
[15:12] <shirro> ok, so it is expensive
[15:12] <teh_orph> seems to work well enough
[15:12] <teh_orph> it's one more copy than I'd like
[15:13] <teh_orph> however both copies are DMA accelerated
[15:14] <shirro> but it wouldn't be as efficient as eglCreateGlobalImageBRCM as used with wayland etc
[15:16] <shirro> will be interesting to see it. it is better than nothing for sure. good progress
[15:16] <teh_orph> I'm using that function
[15:16] <teh_orph> it seems to be the only way to make eglCreatePixmapSurface work
[15:16] <teh_orph> NativePixmap * is ill-documented
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[15:21] <Veryevil> teh_orph: how close are you to a release?
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[15:29] <dmsuse> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/384
[15:29] <dmsuse> umm
[15:29] <dmsuse> which is top and which is bottom?
[15:29] <Gadget-Work> dmsuse, http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[15:31] <dmsuse> thanks :D
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> or this :) https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/ and one day I'll add pretty colours!
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> although now that the wiki is using BCM_GPIO pin numbering, I might have to change that.
[15:34] <Gadget-Work> Given that P1 of the connector is marked, and thats 3v3 should everything be relative to that ?
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[15:35] <dmsuse> umm
[15:35] <dmsuse> resistors only go 1 way round dont they :P
[15:36] <DDave> no..
[15:36] <DDave> thats a diode ;)
[15:36] <dmsuse> oh cool thnx
[15:36] <Gadget-Work> Is the longterm plan now to include the header on all future RPi board ?
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, I belive it is.
[15:37] <Gadget-Work> I hope then that they don't make the mistake that arduino just have in the future
[15:38] <DDave> what mistake did arduino do?
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[15:40] <Gadget-Work> shield connectors on the new Leonardo don't have SPI
[15:41] <drazyl> Sensei-Pupil Interface?
[15:41] <[SLB]> does a gpio input pin read the voltage or the logic value?
[15:42] <dmsuse> i dont understand how a breadboard works :(
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> logic
[15:42] <[SLB]> ah ok thanks
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, Hm. not looked at the new leo - didn't realise that..
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], however the logic level is determined by the voltage :)
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, what do you need to know?
[15:43] <dmsuse> well are the pins vertical or horizontal
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> depends which way you're holding it :)
[15:43] <dmsuse> like 1a and d1 are on the same rail
[15:43] <dmsuse> or something?
[15:43] <tntexplosivesltd> Yes
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> let me check against mine.
[15:43] <napcae> does somebody know what those connectors between the hdmi and lan port and between the GPIO and power supply are?
[15:43] <tntexplosivesltd> but 1e and 1f are not
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> yes, the groups of 1 a,b,c,d,e are common.
[15:43] <dmsuse> tntexplosivesltd: thanks :)
[15:44] <dmsuse> cool ok
[15:44] <dmsuse> i got it now
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> then the break and the next group of 5 are common.
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[15:44] <gordonDrogon> think of putting dual-in-line ICs down the break.
[15:44] <shirro> napcae: you mean the DSI and CSI - camera and flat panel connectors?
[15:45] <napcae> shirro: I'm not sure
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> so look at: http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi_sht15.jpg
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> up and down are common either side of the break
[15:45] <DDave> drogon, plexiglass?
[15:46] <DDave> Also, brilliant case, its what im going to be doing :)
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> the top 2 and bottom 2 are common left to right.
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> DDave, plexiglass, where?
[15:46] <DDave> The red material, is that regular plexi?
[15:46] <tntexplosivesltd> acrylic?
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> oh, it's acrylic.. from SKPang ..
[15:46] <shirro> napcae: Where the camera and display conenctor are on this diagram? http://elinux.org/File:Raspi-Model-AB-Mono-2-699x1024.png
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-red-p-1071.html
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> one of those ^
[15:47] <DDave> oh, thank you!
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse got this starter kit IIRC: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html
[15:47] <napcae> shirro: ah okay, i meant the dsi and csi connector! thx :)
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, you need to know which way round LEDs go ... Think Long Legged Lucy is a plus :)
[15:48] <shirro> napcae: if you are interested in the csi connector see http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1254 - there is nothing for the dsi yet
[15:48] <napcae> shirro: so i can put a (mini)lcd display on the dsi connector?
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> if that's your inclanation :)
[15:49] <napcae> shirro: i'll have a look,thank you
[15:49] <shirro> napcae: not unless you get a job at broadcom
[15:50] <shirro> I think skpang should add a bit to that starter kit. it is a bit simple
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> let them know - they're open to suggestions. I've found them quite friendly...
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> but as a starter kit - it's OK. Not sure what else I'd add for something quick & cheap...
[15:51] <tntexplosivesltd> gordonDrogon: what's that red module that's on the breadboard?
[15:51] <shirro> any idea why CONFIG_VM_EVENT_COUNTERS isn't set in the kernel? It is annoying me.
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> tntexplosivesltd, it's a SHT15 temperature + humidity sensor.
[15:52] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[15:52] <tntexplosivesltd> what protocol?
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> tntexplosivesltd, the board is displaying the temp. in binary :)
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> tntexplosivesltd, it's a bit-banged interface similar but not identical to i2c ...
[15:52] <tntexplosivesltd> nice
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> the program reading it is here: http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/sht15.rtb
[15:53] <dmsuse> omg made an led turn off and on!!
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[15:53] <tntexplosivesltd> gordonDrogon: so it's 21 degrees celsius?
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> tntexplosivesltd, it was when I took the photo..
[15:53] <tntexplosivesltd> lol
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> just tried my transcend SD card again - FS corruptions all over the place )-:
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[15:56] <ReggieUK> no but it'll cost you double, it won't have any gpio and it's running android
[15:56] <ReggieUK> whoops :D
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> tntexplosivesltd, just rebooted it & run the prog. displaying 00011000 ...
[15:56] <tntexplosivesltd> wow
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[15:57] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, cool!
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[15:58] <gordonDrogon> shirro, see the excitement displayed by dmsuse with the starter kit - who needs more ;-)
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> right. spot of lunch time now...
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[16:00] <dmsuse> hmm
[16:01] <dmsuse> i have abcde on one block then fghij on the other block
[16:01] <dmsuse> are those two connected?
[16:01] <tntexplosivesltd> no
[16:01] <dmsuse> woot
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[16:05] <ethxe> Hi, I'm geting skips in my usb streams where there is ethernet io. I think it might be because they are wired up to share the same irq. Anyone know where I can look to dig deeper into this and maybe see if I can improve the io handling?
[16:06] <tntexplosivesltd> what kernel are you running?
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[16:10] <SpeedEvil> Ethernet is wired on USB
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> it is connected through a hub
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[16:15] <ethxe> arch linux arm 3.1.9+ Ethernet is connected directly onto the socket on teh board, No hub
[16:15] <daemonium> hi
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[16:15] <tntexplosivesltd> ethxe: nah, on the r-pi they use an ethernet/usb hybrid
[16:15] <tntexplosivesltd> a chip that does both
[16:16] <tntexplosivesltd> that's probably where the skipping is coming from
[16:16] <daemonium> hi, anyone with openelec installed?
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[16:18] <ethxe> yeah I read the Broadcom chip has one usb - this connects to another chip that has a builtin usb hub and ethernet
[16:19] <ethxe> I'm not really trying ot max out hte transfers on any of hte ports - just tryign to see if there is some software teweeking that can be done to reduce the latecy issues or prioritise the usb when it is streaming
[16:19] <tntexplosivesltd> I don't think so =(
[16:20] <ethxe> =( what are the reasons?
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[16:21] <tntexplosivesltd> because USB is most likely limited at the hardware level
[16:21] <tntexplosivesltd> it's all through one port, you're pretty much pushing it to its max
[16:21] <Veryevil> even if the limit isnt the hardware you would have to modify the smsc95xx kernel driver
[16:22] <tntexplosivesltd> you might be able to be clever with caching, but it probably won't help =.
[16:22] <tntexplosivesltd> * =/
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[16:30] <sraue> friggle, ping
[16:30] <IT_Sean> pong
[16:30] <piless> pang
[16:30] <sraue> you are friggle, IT_Sean ?
[16:31] <IT_Sean> No. But neither is piless, so, shout at him too
[16:31] <piless> you don't know that
[16:31] <piless> I might be friggle
[16:32] <drazyl> nak
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[16:32] <piless> nak?
[16:32] <IT_Sean> nak!
[16:32] <piless> nark
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[16:33] <IT_Sean> ping?
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[16:34] <friggle> sraue: poing
[16:34] <friggle> sraue: pong rather ;)
[16:34] <piless> pang
[16:34] <friggle> though I do have to go in a few minutes
[16:36] <daemonium> byez
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[16:36] <ethxe> <+Veryevil>: Can you tell me where I can find the source of the smsc95xx driver?
[16:36] <sraue> friggle http://pastebin.com/4rWa5mTs compare the both, a Atom ION build dont uses stat64 etc...
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[16:37] <sraue> friggle, can this be the problem?
[16:37] <Veryevil> in the linux kernel
[16:37] <oldtopman> When RS sends you an activation code, does that mean they ship immidately?
[16:37] <friggle> sraue: by the way, when you do time what is the split between user and system time?
[16:38] <sraue> real 0m3.645s
[16:38] <sraue> user 0m1.860s
[16:38] <sraue> sys 0m0.050s
[16:38] <Veryevil> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-patches/drivers/net/usb/smsc95xx.c
[16:38] <ReggieUK> oldtopman, no
[16:38] <ReggieUK> it means that they expect to fulfill your order sometime in the next few weeks
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[16:39] <Veryevil> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-patches/drivers/net/usb/smsc95xx.h
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[16:39] <ReggieUK> at least that's what I gathered from the RS email I got after the order was made
[16:39] <friggle> sraue: and on debian what timings do you get?
[16:39] <amelia_> oldtopman: in the UK anyway, once you've placed your order - certainly when I did mine - it was aim to ship within 7 working days, and I'm sure I'd received it within the week
[16:39] <piless> ReggieUK: I thought it meant they had stock allocated
[16:39] <amelia_> but I was right there on launch day :P
[16:39] <sraue> friggle, must reboot, moment if you have time
[16:39] <oldtopman> I see.
[16:39] <oldtopman> Anyone willing to buy an activation code XD
[16:40] <ReggieUK> Method of Payment
[16:40] <ReggieUK> PayPal
[16:40] <ReggieUK> Delivery Type Desc
[16:40] <ReggieUK> Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 3 week(s))
[16:40] <piless> I'll sell mine for $1 less than oldtopman's best offer.
[16:40] <ReggieUK> I got the code yesterday, order was made yesterday
[16:40] <oldtopman> piless: D:
[16:40] <piless> ReggieUK: They always overestimate those, ever bought a dell? They tell you it will takes 4 weeks and it takes 1.
[16:41] <ReggieUK> so going from personal experience, I reiterate, shipping sometime in the next 3 weeks
[16:41] <ethxe> awesome - thanks <+Veryevil> I'll have a look - at least I'll learn somthign even if I cant change it :)
[16:41] <ReggieUK> rather than guessing I'll go with what I know, thx :)
[16:41] <ReggieUK> if it turns up sooner than that, great
[16:41] <sraue> friggle, real 0m1.030s user 0m0.180s sys 0m0.040s
[16:41] <ReggieUK> if not, no biggie
[16:42] <oldtopman> Is there even a market for RS Raspberry Pi codes?
[16:42] <piless> I'll trade an RS code for the best handmade case you can come up with
[16:42] <friggle> sraue: hmm, so much less user time and time blocked on io
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[16:42] <piless> oldtopman: Apparently they are being sold for $30 or so
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[16:42] <oldtopman> piless: Where?
[16:43] <sraue> friggle, a idea where i can look?
[16:43] <piless> oldtopman: ebay I suppose.
[16:43] <friggle> sraue: and that test continues to take the same amount of time each time you do it in openelec?
[16:43] <oldtopman> I thought you had to sell items that could be shipped on eBay.
[16:43] <ReggieUK> it can be shipped
[16:43] <piless> oldtopman: then ship a piece of paper with the code on
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> ?25: ebay 300715445065
[16:44] <ReggieUK> you have to give the email address that you registered interest with
[16:44] <ReggieUK> that will need mailing out of course :D
[16:44] <sraue> friggle, yes, its a bit faster now since i have reworked the python buildscript completly, but its still to much
[16:44] <oldtopman> hmm
[16:44] <piless> I'm okay with that, I have one email I use for everything, and one for business.
[16:44] <friggle> sraue: right, so you would think it's not related to file caching, unless the fs cache settings on openelec are severely messed up
[16:45] <sraue> no
[16:45] <friggle> I know you copied the python libs to ramdisk, but the dynamic linker still has to link in the other deps
[16:45] <piless> Anyone want a free RS code? It has to be your first Pi.
[16:46] <Veryevil> piless: find a developer who doesnt have one
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[16:46] <friggle> sraue: where are your python build scripts? Anything special about the openelec setup?
[16:46] <traeak> who's getting the pis anyways?
[16:46] <friggle> sraue: you have the whole rootfs in an initramfs or something right?
[16:47] <sraue> friggle: if i start python with "-S" (dont import site.py) its very fast
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[16:48] <sraue> friggle openelec is completly crosscompiled and is stored on a squashfs filesystem
[16:48] <friggle> sraue: now that is interesting
[16:49] <sraue> so i think its because loading the py's etc...
[16:49] <friggle> sraue: are you able to do a build that uses e.g. ext in place of squahfs?
[16:49] <friggle> *squashfs
[16:50] <sraue> hmmmm not easy, i can try...
[16:50] <sraue> will try this today
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[16:52] <Veryevil> Piless: Send the code to this guy! http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1310
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[16:52] <piless> Veryevil: If he's waiting then he's already ordered.
[16:53] <ReggieUK> send it to someone who's killed one in the name of research!
[16:53] <Veryevil> TBH everyone who wants one has order
[16:53] <friggle> sraue: nothing else is coming to mind. I'll certainly let you know if it does...
[16:54] <sraue> thanks much
[16:54] <friggle> sraue: and I have to go now. Do ping me if you make any progress, this issue is...puzzling
[16:54] <Veryevil> so giving it to some one now who isnt in the queue isnt gonnna be someone who is interested
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[16:54] <friggle> no problem
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> Hm. UK websites now announcing their use of cookies...
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> might have to do that with mine )-:
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> although they're only wordpress...
[16:56] <piless> gordonDrogon: My bank won't let you login without cookies.
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> piless, i've just been to news.bbc.co.uk and it prompted me...
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[16:59] <traeak> piless: my bank sometimes has cookies sitting out on a tray
[16:59] * IT_Sean wouldn't mind a cookie right about now.
[17:00] <shirro> gordonDrogon: are the brits being all french about things and demanding they be called biscuits?
[17:00] <piless> shirro: we still have cookies
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> shirro, nah ...
[17:01] <shirro> you could claim your site only serves scones
[17:01] <piless> shirro: this is the only thing we call a cookie in the uk, http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/media/chocchips.jpg
[17:02] <shirro> agreed. choc chips are cookies. everything else is a biscuit.
[17:02] <IT_Sean> mmmmmmm... chocchip
[17:02] <piless> yeah but american chocolate tastes like ass
[17:03] <IT_Sean> How would you know?
[17:03] <shirro> is american chocolate actually chocolate?
[17:03] <shirro> is british?
[17:03] <piless> IT_Sean: Sometimes you find little american shops in the uk
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[17:03] <dmsuse> is there a way to make the gpio work as a switch instead of using power from the pi to power stuff?
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[17:03] <IT_Sean> piless: i meant, how do you know it tastes like ass? Have you tasted ass?
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[17:04] <piless> IT_Sean: Ever licked a penny?
[17:04] <IT_Sean> :p
[17:04] <dmsuse> obviously IT_Sean has never heard of rimming
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[17:04] <IT_Sean> Whoops! I forgot this is #raspberrypi. lets just stop this right here
[17:05] <dmsuse> :p
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[17:08] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, you'll always need a tiny bit of power to activate another switch... what are you thinking of trying to do?
[17:08] <dmsuse> well i have some outdoor leds like 100 of them
[17:08] <dmsuse> that run from 2 aa batteries
[17:08] <dmsuse> and a really tiny solar thing to charge them
[17:09] <dmsuse> i just want to turn them off and on
[17:09] <dmsuse> without drawing too much power from the pi and destroying it :P
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[17:10] <Veryevil> dmsuse: got a link to the lights?
[17:10] <fALSO> use a arduino
[17:10] <Veryevil> do you want to individually control them or all on all off?
[17:10] <Veryevil> fALSO: Or a PIC
[17:11] <ReggieUK> dmsuse, one word, resistors
[17:11] <dmsuse> http://www.greenbaba.com/led-solar-christmas-string-lights-100-ledswhite17m-p-151.html
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> if you just want to turn them on or off, the nyou just need a switch.
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[17:11] <dmsuse> i doubt i can individually control them without rewiring :P
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> or a relay.
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> ah, you want individual control - some issues there and the first is rewiring them.
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[17:11] <dmsuse> no
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> the next is that the Pi doesn't have enough outputs ...
[17:11] <ReggieUK> and, ummm, 100 leds 2xAAs, that's got ot have a boost circuit in it for that to work
[17:11] <dmsuse> thats what im saying, i dont want individual :P
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[17:12] <gordonDrogon> they're probably wired as 4 or 8 strings.
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[17:12] <dmsuse> i just remembered
[17:12] <dmsuse> there is a switch to turn it off and on
[17:12] <dmsuse> i could wire that to the pi somehow ?
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[17:12] <gordonDrogon> you need an electronic switch.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> or an electromechanical one - a relay.
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[17:12] <dmsuse> k thanks :P
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> to drive a relay, then you need some sort of "driver" chip as the Pi can't power one directly.
[17:13] <dmsuse> oh man :(
[17:13] <FrankBuss> or just a transistor
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> so a pair of transistors in a darlington confiuration.
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> or maybe just one..
[17:14] <dmsuse> a transistor to power the relay?
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[17:14] <dmsuse> k thanks :D
[17:14] <ReggieUK> why bother with a relay
[17:14] <ReggieUK> something like a 4066 chip would probably do
[17:14] <FrankBuss> but easier to do it all electronicly without a relais, then you could even do some nice PWM etc.
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> FrankBuss, only 1 PWM on the Pi ...
[17:14] <RITRedbeard> good morining
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> aftermorning :)
[17:14] <ReggieUK> only 1 pwm on the pi at the moment :D
[17:15] <FrankBuss> should work nice, dmsuse needs only one switch :-)
[17:15] <HoldenC> a small power mosfet like a 2n7000 would work too, just be sure to include the diode in parallel to the realy
[17:15] <ReggieUK> I'm sure someone will work out how to bitbang pwm on all the gpios soon enough
[17:15] <teh_orph> one hour till home o'clock
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, Linux gets in the way for smooth operation s/ware PWM )-:
[17:16] <FrankBuss> right, bitbanging PWM should be possible with a Linux kernel driver, too, there is even already some code for it in the kernel, for the LEDs on dev boards
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[17:17] <FrankBuss> http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/leds-class.txt : brightness_set
[17:17] <Davespice> Good old Eric Schmidt :)
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> isn't that a bit heavy on cpu cycles?
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[17:20] <FrankBuss> not for just one LED, after all we have a 700 MHz clock (when not overclocked), 1 kHz timer interrupt should work for 16 brightness levels
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> I guess...
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[17:24] <SpeedEvil> you don' do it that way
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> With a 1khz timer interrupt you get essentially infinite brightness levels
[17:25] <FrankBuss> you'll need 60 Hz update rate to avoid flickering
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> For example - you take an 8 bit brightness level. You flash the LED with the reverse bit levels.
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> So, the MSB gets flashed 50% of the time.
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[17:25] <SpeedEvil> then half of the rest of the time, you flash the next MSB
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> And so on.
[17:26] <FrankBuss> oh, right, sigma-delta DAC :-)
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[17:27] <zgreg> LEDs don't behave linearly though
[17:27] <dmsuse> where is gpio3 :P
[17:27] <teh_orph> top left
[17:28] <zgreg> 8 bits of PWM aren't really enough
[17:29] <dmsuse> thnx
[17:29] <zgreg> you need ~10 bits for smooth brightness transitions
[17:29] <teh_orph> (that's 5V - ignore!)
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[17:29] <dmsuse> i see what ppl mean, these gpio pin numbers make no sense
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[17:29] <teh_orph> http://elinux.org/File:GPIOs.png
[17:29] <teh_orph> huh, yeah no #3!
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[17:33] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: LEDs pretty much do behave linearly with current
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: Modern LEDs at least - once you get over a threshold.
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> (say 5% of the nominal current)
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[17:34] <FrankBuss> right, GPIO03 is on the second I2C interface, you can just connect it with the flex connector for the camera on the board, could be difficult :-)
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> The human eye in comparison is hugely nonlinear.
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[17:38] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: with current maybe (still doubt it somewhat), but not with PWM duty cycle
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[17:40] <FrankBuss> dmsuse: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals and something like this should work for your electronic switch: http://electronics-diy.com/electronic_schematic.php?id=1012 (you don't need the diode for LEDs)
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[17:43] <FrankBuss> hmm, but maybe it doesn't work with 2xAA batteries, to low voltage
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: It is.
[17:44] <IT_Sean> yeah, that's only 3v
[17:44] <IT_Sean> you need 5v
[17:44] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: Unless the LED is visibly flickering - the eye is a good integrator,
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[17:45] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: perception for light isn't linear though :)
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> That does not mean LEDs are not linear.
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[17:46] <zgreg> well, maybe the way I put it wasn't so great, yeah.
[17:47] <zgreg> but at the end of the day LEDs are mostly used as signal lights that will be perceived by humans
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> heres a new type of case: http://babelpi.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/unconventional-case.html
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> The eye can barely percieve a brightness step of 1/256
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Just use duct tape, if you're gonna do that.
[17:48] <zgreg> that entirely depends on where on the scale you are
[17:49] <zgreg> at the lower brightness end of the scale, 1/256 is very noticeable
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, it's non-sticky heat shrink..
[17:49] <teh_orph> christ that case looks whack
[17:49] <zgreg> and the upper end, even 1/10 isn't very noticeable
[17:49] <SpeedEvil> Well - then it's not 1/256 step
[17:49] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: yes.
[17:49] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: It has no advantages over duct tape
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, well you can remove it without any mess....
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> You can do with duct tape too, if you wrap it with toilet paper first.
[17:50] * drazyl wonders wheter a postcrete Pi case would work
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[17:50] <gordonDrogon> drazyl, yes. Once.
[17:50] <drazyl> brings a different meaning to bricking your Pi
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> drazyl: First, or second class postcrete?
[17:51] <drazyl> SpeedEvil :)
[17:51] <piless> duct tape would look better aswell
[17:51] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: definitely, I've done quite a bit of LED lighting, and 1/256 is NOT good enough at the low brightness end of the scale... if you want really smooth transitions
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: 1/256 of the current range - not 1/256 of the overall range
[17:52] <zgreg> and of course, gamma correction is essential
[17:52] <SpeedEvil> Going 1/256 to 2/256 is a doubling
[17:53] <FrankBuss> this one is nice: http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/FD/FDN335N.pdf works down to 2.5V, and with 1.7 A continuous drain current. you even don't need a transistor for it, but it has 0.1 ohm at 2.5V, so could get a bit hot for high currents
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[17:54] <FrankBuss> a bit expensive compared to a transistor, costs 0.38 EUR at digikey :-)
[17:55] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: but with PWM you have a fixed smallest step size
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: With some forms, yes.
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[17:57] <zgreg> well, these forms are the only ones available to me :)
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[18:00] <SpeedEvil> One obvious way round it is to decrease the pwm frequency - the eye is less responsive at low lightlevels
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> See the pendulumn constellatoin
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[18:12] <FrankBuss> 8 bits are sufficient for some applications: http://www.frank-buss.de/canvas/cylon.html
[18:13] * dmsuse wonders what will happen if i connect a tiny pc speaker to the gpio pins
[18:13] <FrankBuss> don't do that, the GPIOs are not designed for more than maybe 3 mA
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[18:14] <dmsuse> http://www.clearpc.ca/catalog/images/speaker.JPG
[18:14] <dmsuse> surely it cant use that much
[18:15] <FrankBuss> PC speaker: maybe 8 ohm and nasty inductive load, you don't want this on digital pins
[18:15] <FrankBuss> this one could be a piezo speaker
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[18:16] <dmsuse> oh
[18:16] <FrankBuss> but nevertheless I would use a transistor to drive it
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[18:16] <dmsuse> would it actually make a noise?
[18:17] <FrankBuss> depends on how you program the pin :-)
[18:17] <FrankBuss> but without hardware PWM, too much jitter, would not sound "clean"
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[18:21] <FrankBuss> except maybe if you write a kernel module, disable interrupts and then do some hardcore low-level assembler PWM coding, I've seen this even on old 386 for sound output on the PC speaker, not just "beep", and of course on the good old C64 SID :-)
[18:22] <FrankBuss> (might even work with C these days)
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[18:23] <dmsuse> lol way too complex :P
[18:23] * dmsuse gives up on the idea
[18:24] <FrankBuss> but it should be safe to plug it in the audio jack
[18:24] <teh_orph> just got synergy working
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[18:24] <teh_orph> much easier than it was years ago!
[18:24] <mkopack> nice!
[18:24] <mkopack> I need to get that for use with the panda boardES and my RPi(s)
[18:25] <teh_orph> I'm surprised it actually "just worked" even though USB mouse wouldn't work on my X
[18:25] <teh_orph> (I haven't defined inputs in xorg.conf)
[18:25] <teh_orph> ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't work though
[18:26] <mkopack> Don't you have to set CRTL-ALT-Backspace up in the dpkg keyboard config?
[18:26] <teh_orph> wut
[18:26] <dmsuse> ive done the led thing im bored now :(
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[18:26] <teh_orph> it works when I have a USB keyb plugged in and xorg configured for it
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[18:26] <mkopack> dmsuse: Get some sensors and try to integrate :)
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[18:27] <dmsuse> i have an irobot from years ago
[18:27] <dmsuse> maybe that has some good stuff
[18:27] <dmsuse> i know it has a light sensor
[18:27] <dmsuse> and sonar :O
[18:27] <mkopack> Roomba? Yeah, but you need to make sure it's 3.3V not 5V or 1.8V stuff
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[18:27] <mkopack> I assume you have SOME electronics knowledge?
[18:28] <dmsuse> no not roomba
[18:28] <des2> If you've done the LED flashing thing next is to build a robot.
[18:28] <dmsuse> umm
[18:28] <dmsuse> cybot i mean
[18:28] <mkopack> Oh.
[18:28] <mkopack> des2: LOL
[18:29] <dmsuse> des2: heh
[18:29] <dmsuse> if i just put the two wires from the light sensor could i get a reading from it
[18:29] <dmsuse> or something
[18:29] <FrankBuss> no
[18:29] <mkopack> dmsuse: Well, if you odnt' have any/much electronics background, look at some of the Arduino tutorial stuff for various basic circuits??? Like learn how to interface a button, a simple sensor, etc. Just remember that the RPi is 3.3v, where the Arduino is 5V
[18:29] <des2> If only it were an arduinio with a/d
[18:30] <dmsuse> i have an arduino
[18:30] <mkopack> Ok, mess around with interfacing the Rpi with the Arduino???
[18:30] <dmsuse> but loaded up the software for it and was left with a blank expression on my face
[18:30] <FrankBuss> if it is a LDR, you'll need some kind of ADC, which the RPi doesn't have, could be done with some transistors and GPIOs :-)
[18:31] <mkopack> Somebody did stuff like that were they used Python o the RPi to read data and send commands to the Arduino and they wired up their circuits to the Arduino
[18:31] <Gadget-Mac> Afternoon all
[18:31] <dmsuse> Gadget-Mac: hey
[18:31] <mkopack> dmsuse: Can I recommend a book on Arduino to you? It really got me up to speed fast....
[18:32] <mkopack> Beginning Arduino by Michael McRoberts
[18:32] <des2> A few people here have PIs connected to Arduino
[18:32] <mkopack> Howdy Gadget-Mac
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[18:32] <dmsuse> mkopack: sure
[18:32] <dmsuse> thanks
[18:32] <FrankBuss> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/arduino
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[18:33] <mkopack> I bought the Kindle version and it's been great. Really got me wiring stuff up with the Arduino quickly and it was easy to understand and figure out how to write code for it
[18:34] <FrankBuss> the Arduino is nice for beginners, but a bit high priced, once you've learned the basics, you could use a PIC or other raw microcontrollers
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[18:34] <des2> Chinhese identical clone $18.
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[18:35] <FrankBuss> PIC $1 :-)
[18:35] <rm> $14
[18:35] <rm> (arduino clones)
[18:35] <mkopack> Sure, Arduino is good for beginners??? PIC is decent, but it has some really annoying weirdness as well. Everyone has their preferences though??? and you don't HAVE to buy the full arduino board - you can mimic an Uno for < $5 if you have the programmer already to load the Arduino code onto the AVR chip
[18:35] <des2> URL for the $14 one ?
[18:36] <mkopack> It's really just a chip, some resistors and a cap or two
[18:36] <FrankBuss> right
[18:36] <des2> Yes once you've programmed you only need the chip.
[18:36] <mkopack> which drives up the price on the Arduino is the board, the sockets, etc. which you don't need if you're building an embedded system. but for prototyping Arduino is great
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[18:38] <rm> des2, http://www.dealextreme.com/p/arduino-duemilanove-2009-atmega328-p-20pu-usb-board-blue-60cm-118078?item=28
[18:39] <mkopack> Yeah, the duemilanove is the older gen Arduno though. The recommended ones now are the Uno (or the Mega)
[18:39] <rm> also there's http://www4.buyincoins.com/details/arduino-nano-v3-0-avr-atmega328-p-20au-moudle-board-with-usb-cable-product-10178.html, not sure if it's significantly less functional or not
[18:39] <des2> Thanks rm
[18:39] <mkopack> Nano is smaller
[18:39] <mkopack> don't think it has all the same IO
[18:39] <rm> http://www4.buyincoins.com/details/high-quality-arduino-uno-atmega328p-pu-module-atmega8u2-avr-usb-cable-board-product-10252.html Uno for $15.65
[18:39] <mkopack> the arduino.cc site has the comparisons of all the versions
[18:40] <rm> just enter Arduino on either of the above two sites
[18:40] <rm> there's an Ethernet shield for like $6
[18:40] <rm> I thought those were more expensive
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[18:40] <des2> You can get a DUO clone for $17.50: http://www.ebay.com/itm/EKitsZone-UNO-ATMEGA328-ATMEGA8U2-Compatible-Arduino-UNO-/290656044777?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43ac7346e9
[18:41] <des2> Uno clone rather
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[18:48] <megaproxy> so, green power...
[18:48] <megaproxy> whats a good solar setup for the pi?
[18:48] <megaproxy> would it need a large panel?
[18:48] <nid0> to power it 100% from solar?
[18:48] <rm> for your monitor, mostly :)
[18:48] <hotwings> that would depend entirely on the panel
[18:49] <megaproxy> yea 100% from solar, if possible
[18:50] <nid0> you'd need something reasonably beefy, people have tried with dinky diy solar setups and not got that far
[18:50] <megaproxy> damn.
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[18:52] <hotwings> efficient solar panels -> not cheap
[18:53] <IT_Sean> You will also probably need a battery to act as a buffer to smooth out supply dips.
[18:53] <megaproxy> yea.
[18:53] <megaproxy> i think ill stick to usb for now :P
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[18:54] <nid0> the little solar phone rechargers with built in batteries you can get will keep a pi running for a while, but their solar cells will probably not contribute particularly meaningfully to extending their life
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[18:55] <nid0> eg http://www.firebox.com/product/3063/Freeloader-Pro-Solar-Charger should run a pi for perhaps 3 hours off the battery, being in full sunlight the solar cells will add another hour ish to that
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[18:57] <dmsuse> is a light sensor analogue or digital?
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[18:57] <IT_Sean> define 'light sensor'
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[18:59] <IT_Sean> If you are referring to a single component that is light sensitive, then it would be analog; varying it's electrical resistance based on how much light it "Sees". If it's a big wad of electronics, it COULD be either.
[18:59] <nid0> a powermonkey extreme should be able to run a pi almost indefinitely as long as it has light, but is several times larger than the pi itself
[18:59] <dmsuse> http://www.mstracey.btinternet.co.uk/technical/Theory/ldr.jpg
[19:00] <IT_Sean> that looks like a basic photocell. So, analog.
[19:00] <dmsuse> woot thnx
[19:00] <IT_Sean> no problem.
[19:00] <des2> Hook it to a darlington transistor and you can make it digital.
[19:01] <dmsuse> des2: k :)
[19:01] <IT_Sean> Hook it to a flux capacitor and you can make it travel through time (but only in bright sunlight)
[19:02] <dmsuse> lol
[19:03] <hotwings> that would be cool.. go back in time and see what really killed the dinosaurs
[19:03] <OneFix_Work> So, does the Google announcement mean the rPi shortage will continue?
[19:04] <hotwings> watch jesus hang from the cross
[19:04] <hotwings> watch ancient aliens land on earth
[19:04] <hotwings> who knew an rpi could do all that
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[19:06] <des2> Google announcement ?
[19:06] <GabrialDestruir> What google announcement?
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[19:07] <lennard> hmm, my rpi sais samsung on the chip where id expect broadcom
[19:07] <lennard> does that make sense to anyone?
[19:07] <hotwings> i suspect user-error
[19:07] <OneFix_Work> des2: Google is funding 100 teachers and classrooms
[19:07] <des2> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18182280
[19:07] <Dagger2> lennard: you're looking at the RAM chip
[19:07] <des2> I googled it....
[19:08] <IT_Sean> The educational release will be made up of Model As, so, that shouldn't effect current orders.
[19:08] <OneFix_Work> des2: If I assume a minimum of say 50 rPis per teacher, that's like 5000 rPis
[19:08] <chnopsx> where is the broadcom chip actually?
[19:08] <lennard> dagger: so where is the rest? underneath it?
[19:08] <Dagger2> yeah. underneath the RAM chip
[19:08] <lennard> ok
[19:08] <megaproxy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/80-Watt-Solar-Panel-PV-Monocrystalline-12V-80W-TUV-MCS-Approved-Photovoltaic-/320907253048?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item4ab7901538
[19:08] <hotwings> its the one with the _/\_ logo on it
[19:08] <megaproxy> what about that.
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[19:09] <hotwings> 50 rpi per teacher?
[19:09] <hotwings> classroom sizes are typically half that..
[19:09] <GabrialDestruir> Class rooms have 50 students in the UK?
[19:09] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[19:09] <GabrialDestruir> Here it's usually 30 max
[19:10] <OneFix_Work> hotwings: Well, most classes are somewhere around 50 students
[19:10] <des2> 5,000 PIs is < 1 week's production.
[19:10] <hotwings> yikes.. didnt know the uk has even worse classrooms than we do in the us
[19:11] <friggle> GabrialDestruir: hotwings: no, it's about 30 here too
[19:11] <GabrialDestruir> I doubt they're going to put this in affect now.
[19:11] <Tachyon`> it's supposed to be 30 max here in the UK too
[19:12] <GabrialDestruir> They probably mean they'll buy 5,000 educational Pi's
[19:12] <GabrialDestruir> the ones with the booklets and cases
[19:12] <OneFix_Work> hotwings: IT all depends on where the school is...in the more impoverished neighborhoods, it goes higher.
[19:12] <Tachyon`> however more of a problem than class sizes is that the teachers have no method of enforcing discipline
[19:12] <GabrialDestruir> and the fancy packaging.
[19:13] <OneFix_Work> Well, there was no mention of the actual number, just that google was paying for 100 teachers to go to a 6 week training course and they would be funding their classroom as well
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[19:14] <mkopack> Just checked my UPS tracking number (at least Newark SENDS those BEFORE the dang thing arrives!) and it looks like it's being delivered today! :)
[19:14] <mkopack> OneFix_Work: Yeah, saw that story as well
[19:14] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm Export Farnell you don't get tracking you get a nice little expensive "Royal Mail International" box
[19:15] <rm> what's the delivery cost with Export Farnell?
[19:15] <OneFix_Work> Of course, if they gave each child a rPi to use, then that number would be much higher, as each teacher could conceivably teach 7 classes a day, and more per week if they have a Monday, Wednesday and Tuesday, Thursday schedule
[19:15] <GabrialDestruir> 22USD
[19:15] <GabrialDestruir> Or 14 Pounds
[19:16] <GabrialDestruir> 1 Expected to ship 16 Aug, 2012 Further stock expected to ship 12 Oct, 2012
[19:16] <GabrialDestruir> according to newarks site
[19:16] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[19:16] <OneFix_Work> With those numbers, even at 30 students per class, that would be 420 rPis per teacher
[19:16] <hotwings> OneFix_Work - even in our ghetto schools, classroom size rarely goes much higher than 35 students
[19:16] <GabrialDestruir> Not necessarily.
[19:17] <GabrialDestruir> 30 Pi's per classroom.
[19:17] <mkopack> Gabrial: I'm betting it'll be long before that
[19:17] <mkopack> That's just the dates that their internal systems are generating??? They've been pulling that date quite a bit farther in
[19:17] <GabrialDestruir> That means each teacher/classroom gets one set of 30
[19:17] <GabrialDestruir> then you just invest in 420 SD Cards per classroom.
[19:17] <OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: Well, again, my point is that while it's a good thing, it could possibly cause further delays
[19:17] <nid0> it wont
[19:18] <GabrialDestruir> Only if you're assuming these investments would happen now.
[19:18] <OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: Well, unless you want the students to work on it at home
[19:18] <nid0> the educational release will be the educational release, which is separate from the sets of pi's you lot are waiting for
[19:18] <GabrialDestruir> Which I'm putting money on they won't.
[19:18] <OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: And you have to have replacement units for failed boards
[19:18] <hotwings> nid0 - you realize the only difference between the rpi you have an the "educational" release, is that it will come with a case...
[19:18] <nid0> plus, production volumes are increasing significantly, 5k or 50k pi's will undoubtedly be a drop in the production ocean
[19:18] <GabrialDestruir> Plus there is that, they have a whole educational release planned.
[19:19] <nid0> hotwings that and the "educational release" is also the model a, and is also when theyre producing them fast enough
[19:19] <hotwings> nid0 - the production quantities and schedule has yet to be seen
[19:20] <OneFix_Work> nid0: Yea, but we've already been told that the only real difference in the Model A and Model B is going to be no USB hub and no ethernet port...the chip and memory will be the same on both
[19:20] <GabrialDestruir> Each classroom gets 30 maybe 40 per classroom. Kids don't get homework for that class, unless of course they have a Pi already and want to take it home.
[19:21] <hotwings> no ethernet seems dumb for school purposes
[19:21] <GabrialDestruir> Not sure about your ocmputer courses, but mine we never got homework, you were expected to do it all in class so the teacher could make sure you weren't cheating.
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[19:22] <hotwings> then again if your goal is to get units to villages in africa, i guess ethernet is pointless
[19:22] <GabrialDestruir> It does and it doesn't. With no ethernet you can't have kids going online and looking up porn or something. But on the otherhand they can't look up snippets of code to figure out how somethings done either.
[19:22] <hotwings> schools already filter porn. that was an issue 10 years ago but no these days
[19:22] <OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: Depends on if you are writing scripts or not...those usually need extra time to debug, but I guess we're talking about K-12 and not college :)
[19:23] <GabrialDestruir> I don't imagine their code would be that complicated....
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[19:23] <Kuba> heeeeey
[19:23] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose if for the final the teacher said "Create a program, it can do whatever, have fun"
[19:23] <Kuba> Anyone else noticed passwd bug, i.e. duplicate entries for same user, in latest debian image?
[19:24] <hotwings> their code: read -p "enter your name: "; echo "your name is $REPLY"; exit 0
[19:24] <hotwings> teacher: now ask for your first name, then your last name
[19:25] <friggle> hotwings: not POSIX, lose marks
[19:25] <OneFix_Work> hotwings: Or, just use the camera to do facial recognition
[19:25] <GabrialDestruir> hotwings, in schools that are improvished enough to not be able to teach kids coding already, what makes you think they'd have firewalls?
[19:25] <des2> schools already _try to_ filter porn.
[19:25] <friggle> GabrialDestruir: often it's provided through the LEA
[19:26] <hotwings> for i in first last; do read -p "enter your $i name: "; fullname+=" $REPLY"; done; echo "your full name is$fullname"; exit 0
[19:26] <hotwings> :D
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[19:26] <OneFix_Work> "Your name is John Anderton, and I know what you've been posting to facebook"
[19:27] <hotwings> im sure thats the first thing these kids will try... logging into facebook
[19:27] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe they'll end up doing a Model B educational release too. Don't see really why they shouldn't.
[19:27] <hotwings> in other words, a model b with a case :)
[19:27] <nid0> I never had any coding lessons at school :(
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[19:28] <GabrialDestruir> I didn't have coding lessons til college.
[19:28] <OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: I'm hoping that a Model "C" with more RAM and built-in WiFi comes out within a year
[19:28] <GabrialDestruir> and then it was VB...
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[19:28] <des2> Lessons ?
[19:28] <nid0> I did teach our "head of IT" what net send was when I sent a "Hello" to his entire class in progress from the other side of the school though
[19:28] <GabrialDestruir> Yes like proper courses.
[19:28] <GabrialDestruir> With a teacher who says "This is what you have to create"
[19:29] <nid0> then turned and watched the door of the room I was in, and laughed my ass off when he burst in looking paniced 45 seconds later
[19:29] <IT_Sean> tehehehe... I used to love screwing with netsend in school.
[19:29] <GabrialDestruir> Our school had netsend turned off -le sigh-
[19:29] <GabrialDestruir> Our school had all the fun stuff turned off.
[19:29] <chnopsx> they actually kicked people out of school for abusing net send in my school
[19:29] <IT_Sean> sald,y it got switched off when i "Accidently" sent the message "Mr. Carver (one of the teachers) is a wankerclamp" to the entire district. Oops!
[19:30] <Kuba> really, noone met duplicate entries problem in debian image from 19th May?
[19:30] <GabrialDestruir> Kuba, have you checked the forums?
[19:30] <chnopsx> I also got a hold of an admin's password once when he typed it on the PC I was working on to fix something, and he failed to tab into the password box :D
[19:30] <GabrialDestruir> If the issue is a bug it's likely someone will have mentioned it there.
[19:30] <OneFix_Work> GabrialDestruir: Right, the best programming assignments are done by giving input, define the processing to be done, and define the output needed
[19:30] <chnopsx> (un)fortunately I didn't have any fun with it
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[19:31] <Kuba> GabrialDestruir: there is one post, with no response: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5742
[19:31] <Kuba> I'm wondering why it hasn't been fixed yet ;d
[19:31] <IT_Sean> Ooooh, i had no end of fun with the schools administrative password!
[19:32] <GabrialDestruir> Eh no clue.
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[19:32] <GabrialDestruir> The most fun I had in school was robotics class xD
[19:32] <IT_Sean> I did once get my hands on the FTP password to the school district web server
[19:32] <IT_Sean> Still have it, and all these years later, the password still works
[19:32] <GabrialDestruir> We had Lego robotics sets and we had to program and build certain scenarios.... which isn't really "programming"
[19:32] <IT_Sean> (i check occasionally)
[19:33] <GabrialDestruir> It's more drag and drop.
[19:33] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:33] <IT_Sean> I never used it for evil, though.
[19:33] <GabrialDestruir> Like programming for idiots. xD
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[19:34] <GabrialDestruir> But what was awesome is that unlike all the other computers in the school, they weren't all locked down, so once I was done with whatever project I had I'd chill out on MSN or WinMX or w/e lol
[19:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, I have an IR receiver hooked up to my Pi, it detects and shows in LSB and I believe it even created /dev/usbsomethingorother
[19:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not sure what to do next :D
[19:35] <hotwings> compile lirc and enjoy
[19:35] <GabrialDestruir> Get it to change the background colors of your website? :p
[19:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> hotwings: google told me something like that, sounds promising
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[19:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not played with IR for a good decade
[19:36] <hotwings> i use homebrew serial and mceusb IR's here
[19:37] <hotwings> when i get an rpi, an mceusb ir receiver and dvb card will be the first thing i plug into it. :)
[19:38] <GabrialDestruir> I need to get an IR receiver...
[19:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yikes, lirc complex :D
[19:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: I just dug the one I used to use with Windows Media Center (shudder) out of a box
[19:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> pot luck that it works
[19:39] <IT_Sean> IR can be used for all sorts of fun evil, in the right hands.
[19:39] <DaQatz> wrong*
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[19:39] <hotwings> lirc is a kitten Gadgetoid_Air
[19:39] <DaQatz> If it's the right hands, it will not be used for evil.
[19:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> hotwings: does it have a raw output mode for building one's own config?
[19:39] <IT_Sean> No, evil is fun!
[19:40] <hotwings> if you actually need to use raw mode, yeah
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[19:40] <hotwings> all i use my ir+remotes for is bringing up an osd and changing channels
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[19:40] <hotwings> no evil there
[19:40] <GabrialDestruir> I actually want to get an IR receiver/transmitter thing
[19:40] <IT_Sean> IR equipped handheld + TV remote emulator = all sorts of possibilities for evil.
[19:40] <GabrialDestruir> So I can send commands to it, but also have it send commands too >.>
[19:41] <hotwings> so you want to be able to turn your tv on from the remote also :)
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[19:41] <GabrialDestruir> Handheld Pi IR remote? >.>
[19:41] <DaQatz> You can use an ir "flash light" to blind many cameras.
[19:41] <GabrialDestruir> Use it to reprogram those uhm anouncement boards
[19:41] <piless> IR is so outdated though
[19:42] <GabrialDestruir> LED Ticker announcement board things I forget the proper name.
[19:42] <IT_Sean> Oooh, i love screwing with those
[19:42] <IT_Sean> I have the codebases for all the major mfgrs on my iPaq.
[19:42] <GabrialDestruir> You could program the Pi to do extensive programming at a button push.
[19:42] <piless> DaQatz: You can test whether a remote is working by looking at the LED with a phone camera
[19:42] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[19:43] <GabrialDestruir> So you could just walk about point the Pi press a button connected via GPIO
[19:44] <GabrialDestruir> and BAM repogrammed Ticker
[19:44] <piless> why not bluetooth?
[19:44] <piless> you would need line of sight with ir
[19:44] <GabrialDestruir> Because a lot of Tickers still use IR? >.>
[19:44] <nid0> and bluetooth needs pairing
[19:45] <GabrialDestruir> If you mean, why not bluetooth for a remote, then I could see the purpose, but for something to quickly hack IRTicker signs... BT is pointless.
[19:46] <GabrialDestruir> Then again I think most tickers these days are going the way of Ethernet...
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[19:48] <GabrialDestruir> I've got a problem with your Site gadgetoid >.>
[19:48] <FrankBuss> is there a new Debian image planned for the Raspberry Pi download page? I think it would make sense, because of lots of kernel bug fixes like Alsa sound, SD card driver, new drivers like SPI and I2C etc., and the passwd file (and the shadow file) could be cleaned, too
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[19:49] <GabrialDestruir> Telling people to find you in this channel assumes they already know you're on freenode, and that they don't go to one or more IRC networks.
[19:49] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[19:49] <friggle> FrankBuss: yes, there is
[19:50] <FrankBuss> ok
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[19:52] <friggle> ;)
[19:52] <friggle> oops
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[19:57] <piless> hmm so according to the video q & a the distributors are going to be doing their own case designs
[19:58] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0MC09E6265&cm_sp=Specials-_-9SIA0MC09E6265-_-05242012_3
[19:58] <GabrialDestruir> Grab a USB adapter and there's a cheap keyboard for the Pi
[19:58] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[19:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, looks like I need the mceusb driver
[19:59] <GabrialDestruir> Mind you that's a tiny handheld thing.
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[20:02] <piless> GabrialDestruir: You'd end up chucking it at the monitor after 5 minutes, you'll be much better off with a full-size bluetooth keyboard
[20:03] <GabrialDestruir> lol I suppose it'd depend what it's being used for.
[20:03] <GabrialDestruir> For coding and stuff it'd be horrid.
[20:04] <piless> It's designed to be just used with thumbs
[20:04] <piless> Even irc would suck
[20:04] <GabrialDestruir> Though as input for a media center it wouldn't be too bad.
[20:05] <piless> I'd rather have a chiclet style keyboard
[20:05] <IT_Sean> i hate chicklet boards
[20:05] <piless> chiclet
[20:05] <IT_Sean> that too
[20:06] <piless> They are really nice when you get used them.
[20:06] <GabrialDestruir> I'm still waiting for holograph type keyboards that just attach to my wrist my wrist display out beneath my fingers, then I could just type anywhere >.>
[20:06] <IT_Sean> I've never been a big fan
[20:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> Darn, gonna need kernel headers, weheee
[20:06] <piless> apple only use chiclet now right?
[20:06] <IT_Sean> right.
[20:06] <piless> GabrialDestruir: That would really suck. There would be no tactile feedback.
[20:06] <GabrialDestruir> Unless they could create tactile feedback.
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[20:07] <GabrialDestruir> Then it'd be pretty awesome.
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[20:07] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Good luck with that.
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[20:08] <GabrialDestruir> Oh it's not likely to happen anytime soon.
[20:08] <piless> Probably not ever
[20:08] <amelia_> IT_Sean: guess what I have? :P
[20:08] <GabrialDestruir> But I imagine by the time you get around to having holographic interfaces there will be a way to have tactile feedback.
[20:08] <piless> Society would probably collapse before we get to that point
[20:08] <IT_Sean> amelia_???
[20:09] <piless> amelia_: aids?
[20:09] <amelia_> piless: hilarious.
[20:09] <IT_Sean> hey now! :/
[20:09] <amelia_> IT_Sean: something small and Pi-like :P
[20:09] <IT_Sean> a 2nd pi!?
[20:09] <piless> at least it's not the clap
[20:09] <GabrialDestruir> http://phys.org/news168797748.html
[20:09] <GabrialDestruir> Society will collpase eh? :p
[20:09] <amelia_> IT_Sean: not yet.. but still one more than you ;)
[20:09] <amelia_> piless: don't be an ass.
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[20:10] <IT_Sean> You tease you!
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[20:10] <piless> amelia_: language, this is a pg13 room
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[20:12] <GabrialDestruir> Okay it's not perfect, but it shows possibility.
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[20:15] <amelia_> piless: you are a pile of *expletive/deleted* :)
[20:15] <IT_Sean> don't make me seperate the two of you
[20:15] <piless> what was that? I didn't quite hear you.
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[20:16] <des2> Can't we just sign up to get a jack in the back of the head yet ?
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[20:17] <GabrialDestruir> Pssh I don't want that. Why not just opt for the collar that interfaces directly with our neural pathways?
[20:17] <johang> is the HDMI port strictly output or could it theoretically be input?
[20:17] <GabrialDestruir> no need for invasive surgery
[20:17] <des2> Output.
[20:18] <IT_Sean> johang: output only
[20:18] <johang> alright.
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[20:18] <piless> the pi needs mhl
[20:18] <trisqueldotim> FYI :: http://forum.linuxbasix.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=953
[20:19] <GabrialDestruir> Or like, the visual interface/holovisor things from Caprica
[20:19] * IT_Sean steals amelia_'s pi
[20:20] <GabrialDestruir> Lay down slide them on and you're in another world/universe/whatever
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[20:20] <des2> Geez Sean at least leave her a piece.
[20:20] <IT_Sean> She can have the SD card back. Okay des2?
[20:21] <des2> Leave her the socket too...
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[20:21] <GabrialDestruir> and the cords
[20:21] <IT_Sean> No.
[20:21] <IT_Sean> NO!
[20:21] <IT_Sean> MINE!
[20:21] * IT_Sean runs away with amelia_'s pi
[20:22] <amelia_> :O
[20:22] <amelia_> wait your turn! Pi #2 has your dibs ;)
[20:22] * IT_Sean sighs
[20:22] <IT_Sean> oooohkay
[20:22] <martk> I have just got my pi. How do I get a video player working. Vlc performance is poor.
[20:22] * IT_Sean gives amelia_ her pi back
[20:23] <IT_Sean> martk: you give it to a dev so they can sort out the GPU stuff
[20:23] <_av500_> martk: teach vlc to use the pi's hw decoder
[20:24] * amelia_ puts martk into stasis for another 75 years
[20:24] <martk> av500: How do I do that? A few tips would be welcome.
[20:24] <_av500_> I haz no idea
[20:24] <IT_Sean> You don't
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[20:25] <IT_Sean> The GPU stuff is not open source
[20:25] <_av500_> is the video stuff documented at all yet?
[20:25] <_av500_> i heard there was xbmc using it
[20:26] <martk> av500: So it has to be xbmc.
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[20:26] <_av500_> well ,last time I checked, xbmc was open source
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[20:26] <_av500_> so if xbmc can do it, vlc might learn it too
[20:26] <zgreg> video decoding is exposed via openmax il
[20:27] <martk> ok thanks
[20:27] <_av500_> vlc can do OMX
[20:27] <zgreg> that's a standardised set of APIs
[20:27] <_av500_> so it might just miss some glue
[20:27] <zgreg> well, openmax is pretty finicky
[20:28] <_av500_> you dont say :)
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[20:28] <zgreg> heh, so you know it? :)
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[20:28] <_av500_> I know nobody that works with OMX and has anything good to say about it
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[20:29] <chris_99> omxplayer worked pretty well with me
[20:29] <_av500_> sure
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[20:29] <zgreg> that's because it was made specially for the pi :)
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[20:29] <_av500_> OMX is totally fine as long as you write it for the specific platform
[20:29] <_av500_> just dont expect the same code to work on any other
[20:30] <_av500_> grep the android omx source for "quirk"
[20:31] <zgreg> the bad thing about openmax seems to be its tremendous flexibility
[20:31] <johang> what about gst-openmax? shit?
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[20:31] <zgreg> you can create various components for all kinds of things, connect them in various ways, and so on
[20:32] <_av500_> thta too
[20:32] <_av500_> but not many people do that
[20:32] <_av500_> johang: same thing, its still OMX on the backend
[20:32] <_av500_> still means you need to tweak it for the platform
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[20:32] <mkopack> HAHAH, lovely??? some lady named Katy McCaffrey had her iPhone stolen while on a Disney Cruise by one of the employees (but didn't know it was an employee at the time.) And the IDIOT who stole it didn't realize that every time he takes a picture it's syncing back to Katy's computer???. So she has all these pictures of the guy who stole the phone and his adventures on the ship
[20:33] <johang> _av500_: that's pretty lame then :|
[20:33] <_av500_> its *the* industry standard
[20:33] <_av500_> and everybody in the industry hates it
[20:33] <zgreg> a sane API like VDPAU would be a total killer
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[20:34] <_av500_> well, then I also know people that would not call VDPAU sane :)
[20:34] <zgreg> heh, why not?
[20:34] <_av500_> in fact, its fine to have a proprietary API
[20:34] <zgreg> and please don't come with "but it's from nvidia"
[20:34] <_av500_> one that does basically open/decode/close
[20:35] <zgreg> it's not exactly proprietary
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[20:35] <zgreg> in fact there's a fully open source (but not full-featured implementation) in mesa
[20:35] <_av500_> but not one that forces you to have threads in codecs and is full async and a callback love fest
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[20:35] <_av500_> like OMX
[20:35] <_av500_> zgreg: I did not mean VDPAU
[20:35] <zgreg> oh, ok
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[20:36] <_av500_> I have codec "wrappers" that are a few dozen lines for a video decoder and I have omx wrappers that span several files with hundreds of lines
[20:36] <_av500_> for the same codec in the end
[20:37] <zgreg> actually, the interesting part of VDPAU is that it also specifies and implements a very capable video presentation interface
[20:37] <zgreg> one that's much better than the crappy xvideo
[20:37] <zgreg> for that reason alone it's infinitely more sane than e.g. VA-API ;)
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[20:41] <markus> Does somebody know how the linux filesystem cache work? Can I somehow make files under my home directory and other commonly access files more likely to stay in the cache whereas files under /media/movies will be purged almost immediately?
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[20:42] <_av500_> the cache is at block level
[20:42] <_av500_> you would need on at file level
[20:42] <markus> the goal is to have small commonly accessed file in memory
[20:43] <markus> i guess the kernel is smart enough so i shouldn't have to care about it
[20:43] <johang> you can cache it somewhere else if the file page cache is insufficient
[20:43] <TTSDA> Man I love linux
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[20:44] <johang> markus: or try tmpfs
[20:44] <_av500_> something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CacheFS
[20:44] <markus> johang: yes but will it write back my changes back to disk?
[20:44] <_av500_> using tmpfs as the "local" storage
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[20:44] <markus> _av500_: thank's i'll take a look
[20:45] <SpeedEvil> markus: Or you open it in some program, and mmap it
[20:45] <_av500_> I cant come up with the right google keywords atm
[20:45] <[SLB]> i mount my /tmp dir as a tmpfs partition
[20:45] <markus> [SLB]: what if there is a power outage? all your temporary files will be lost right? :P
[20:46] <johang> well, that's the point.
[20:46] <[SLB]> they'll get deleted at each reboot anyway :p
[20:46] <johang> it's call temporary for a reason
[20:46] <johang> markus: but tmpfs is not ideal if you want write-back to permanent storage I guess
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[20:47] <_av500_> markus: http://code.google.com/p/cachefs/
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[20:52] <markus> Thanks. There is also bcache but it seems geared towards SSDs "only".
[20:52] <markus> http://lwn.net/Articles/497024/
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[21:02] <Viperfang> Evening all
[21:03] <IT_Sean> aft'rnoon
[21:03] <Viperfang> How are you doing?
[21:04] <IT_Sean> I'm at work. How do you think i am. :p
[21:04] <Viperfang> Thrilled
[21:04] <Viperfang> </sarcasm>
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[21:06] <Dagger2> oh... hey. order code e-mail from RS.
[21:06] <haltdef> I got mine within a few days of ordering after I got my code
[21:06] * IT_Sean sighs
[21:06] <Dagger2> I registered for interest at 7pm on March 1st, so they're apparently getting through them
[21:06] <Dagger2> estimated despatch "within 5 weeks" though :(
[21:07] <megaproxy> they said mine will take 3 weeks
[21:07] <megaproxy> its been about 1...
[21:07] <megaproxy> so we shall see
[21:07] <haltdef> think I was one of the first to get an RS manufactured one, just missed out on a foundation manufactured one
[21:07] <plugwash> hmm, ooi does it have the CE mark on the silkscreen?
[21:07] <plugwash> or have they not got arround to that yet?
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[21:08] <Dagger2> so, I can reasonably expect it to be delivered somewhere between Monday and July then
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[21:08] <IT_Sean> Does anyone really give a flaming biscuit about the CE mark (end users, that is) ?
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[21:08] <haltdef> not I
[21:09] <IT_Sean> not i, either
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[21:09] <haltdef> hm, wonder when isp will block TPB
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[21:10] <Viperfang> not i
[21:10] <GabrialDestruir> They don't, but the company does. Because if something goes wrong and it's CE marked they can blame the end user or something.
[21:10] <Moofie> hello, does the standard debian image support sound? I haven't heard anything so far, maybe no sound has been played :)
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[21:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> Moofie: not out of the box, no
[21:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Sound is still too flaky to be standard
[21:11] <plugwash> Moofie, the sound module is present but it's not loaded by default because it's still considered to be in beta
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[21:11] <GabrialDestruir> So my pieces for my lego case are being shipped directly from Poland
[21:11] <GabrialDestruir> o.o
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[21:12] <Moofie> ok, good to know :)
[21:12] <Moofie> thanks
[21:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> Polish lego is made entirely from Vodka
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[21:12] <GabrialDestruir> The quickest way to get sound is to modprobe the HDMI sound.
[21:13] <GabrialDestruir> Assuming you're using HDMI that is
[21:13] <Moofie> i am
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[21:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm throwing commands at the kernel source with my " I have no idea what I'm doing " hat on again
[21:14] <GabrialDestruir> sudo modprobe snd-bcm2835
[21:14] <Moofie> ah, was just going to ask the module name :)
[21:15] <GabrialDestruir> So if Polish Lego Bricks is made entirely from Vodka... how exactly does that work? xD
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[21:15] <georgeperkins> trying to flash an sd card for the first time. from kubuntu I've called sudo dd if=debian6-13-04-2012.img of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 on my unmounted sd card. 10 minutes later and I'm sill waiting. Getting paranoid - is it meant to take this long?
[21:15] <Moofie> -40 degrees ;)
[21:15] <ReggieUK> must be cold to make the vodka solid?
[21:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: I'm not entirely sure, but it's delicious
[21:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> georgeperkins: depending on your SD card, it can take between A Long Time and Forever, Almost
[21:16] <ReggieUK> are you sure it's polish and vodka and not polish and beeswax?
[21:16] <GabrialDestruir> But that would mean it'd melt before it got here reggie... >.>
[21:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> They probably use a gelling agent
[21:16] <SadMan> georgeperkins: p1 is the first partition so you're probably doing it wrong anyway ;-)
[21:17] <GabrialDestruir> Unless they found a way to permafrost vodka....
[21:17] <mkopack> georgeperkins: It should take a few minutes. You might also want to put in the "bs=1M" in that command as well. might make it go faster
[21:17] <georgeperkins> Gadgetoid_Air: thanks
[21:17] <mkopack> And yeah, you give it the DEVICE id, not the partition id
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[21:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> Thassa good point, what
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[21:17] <mkopack> and be DAMN sure you're telling it the correct device or you risk wiping out your hard drive
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[21:18] <GabrialDestruir> Though if they found a way to permafrost vodka and make legos from it.... then I would have the coolest Pi on the planet
[21:18] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
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[21:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: I'd eat it
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[21:19] <georgeperkins> SadMan: oh, I see thats annoying. I'm not worried about writing to the wrong drive, double checked that.
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[21:19] <piless> why would you want to turn your vodka into frozen soil?
[21:19] <GabrialDestruir> That probably wouldn't be good for your health...
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[21:19] <GabrialDestruir> I'm using permafrost out of context I know .-.
[21:20] <GabrialDestruir> But I couldn't think of another word to describe permanently frozen >.>
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[21:21] <piless> permafrost doesn't mean permanent, it just means over 2 years
[21:21] <GabrialDestruir> Fair enough.
[21:21] <SadMan> georgeperkins: you can use killall -USR1 dd to have it dump stats
[21:21] <mkopack> Why waste good vodka?!?!
[21:21] <SadMan> but you need to restart it with correct device anyway
[21:22] <georgeperkins> SadMan: ah well it just finished
[21:23] <piless> I've never had good vodka :(
[21:23] <GabrialDestruir> But even if they could make Vodka frozen for more than 2 years even without a freezer or something to keep it frozen it'd be an awesome experiment.
[21:23] <georgeperkins> So could you point me in the right direction for a proper write. When I fdisk -l the only entry I see for the SD is /dev/mmcblk0p1
[21:23] <georgeperkins> SadMan: ^^
[21:24] <SadMan> georgeperkins: you need to write to /dev/mmcblk0
[21:24] <piless> GabrialDestruir: the freezing point of 80 proof vodka is -26.95?? C
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[21:24] <SadMan> that's the whole device, include partition table, that's what you wan't to overwrite
[21:24] <georgeperkins> SadMan: Ah I see thanks, I'll give it a go
[21:24] <GabrialDestruir> Like I said, great advances in science :p
[21:24] <Dagger2> ... "wan't"?
[21:24] <SadMan> s/include/including/
[21:25] <SadMan> i'm having a dyslexia minute
[21:25] <georgeperkins> off it goes, time to fetch a cup of tea.
[21:26] <georgeperkins> I'm having one of those can't believe I've finally got a respi days :)
[21:26] <georgeperkins> raspi
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[21:26] <IT_Sean> :/
[21:26] <piless> georgeperkins: It will wear off soon, after you realise it's actually quite useless
[21:27] <georgeperkins> lol
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[21:27] <georgeperkins> It is going to run my 3d printer, should be more than up to the job!
[21:28] <mjr> sounds likely
[21:28] <piless> georgeperkins: are you okay with it crashing every 5 minutes?
[21:28] <mjr> if the usb stack keeps together ;)
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[21:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> georgeperkins: know the feeling!
[21:33] <GabrialDestruir> I just thought of a new computer cooling idea..... Vodka Cooling, you run your normal water cooling, but then you put in some sort of freezer tank type thing that cools the vodka down to 0C then run it through the PC cooling.
[21:33] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[21:34] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[21:34] <IT_Sean> That would probably overcool the PC, first of all, and secondly, what would the point be?
[21:35] <piless> you would be better off using ethanol than wasting good vodka
[21:37] <GabrialDestruir> Who said it'd be good vodka? o.O Also the point would be to keep the computer cooler than you could with just pure water.
[21:37] <IT_Sean> Ooops! -caps
[21:38] * plugwash wonders if there is an equivilent to everclear in this country
[21:38] * IT_Sean shudders
[21:38] <GabrialDestruir> A crap solution would liquid nitrogen cooling....
[21:39] <D34TH> mineral oil
[21:39] <D34TH> done
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[21:45] <D34TH> doesnt conduct electric, spills ok
[21:45] <D34TH> :D
[21:45] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[21:46] <GabrialDestruir> I can't imagine you'd need a cooling system for the Pi so that really isn't an issue. I was thinking more for a desktop.
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[21:47] <amelia_> Eat some polos then blow over your Pi. Insta-cool :P
[21:48] <GabrialDestruir> Need a lego fan for my lego case >.>
[21:48] <GabrialDestruir> -nods-
[21:48] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[21:49] <markus> i'm a lego fan
[21:50] <markus> what do you need me for?
[21:50] * amelia_ giggles
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[21:58] <georgeperkins> first debian boot taken several minutes so far: this is my screen after 10 minutes http://www.flickr.com/photos/34083125@N06/7263517440/
[21:58] <georgeperkins> someting wrong?
[21:59] <amelia_> Your resolution isn't right, but looks like you're about ready to login. Are you connecting via hdmi?
[21:59] <D34TH> can you autoadjust
[21:59] <D34TH> some tv's can
[22:00] <amelia_> If it's not autoadjusting, create config.txt in /boot on your SD card, and insert the line disable_overscan=1
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0aenI560Bs
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir> I want that's awesome
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[22:01] <plugwash> georgeperkins, I think it's finished booting and at the login prompt
[22:01] <plugwash> but you can't see the login prompt because it's off the edge of your TV
[22:02] <georgeperkins> ah interisting. you guys are right
[22:02] <georgeperkins> hitting return a few times brought the login command up
[22:02] <GabrialDestruir> You need to screw with the overscan
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[22:02] <GabrialDestruir> get it all on screen.
[22:03] <georgeperkins> OK, I'll try config.txt diasble_overscan=1
[22:03] <IT_Sean> thasssa start
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[22:05] <amelia_> Do I get brownie points if I've fixed his issue? or maybe actual brownies? :P
[22:06] <georgeperkins> amelia_: brownie points is the best I can offer over irc I'm afraid
[22:06] <IT_Sean> brownie points, yes. Actual brownies can only be had by cashing in your brownie points.
[22:06] <IT_Sean> 1 brownie goes for 10,000,000,000 brownie points.
[22:06] <IT_Sean> You have earned, to date: 3 brownie points.
[22:06] <amelia_> oh? what did I get my three on? :P
[22:06] <IT_Sean> this issue.
[22:06] <piless> how many brownie points do I have?
[22:06] <IT_Sean> piless: you are at - 76.
[22:06] <georgeperkins> whats the default login for debian dist again? was it u:pie p:raspberry?
[22:07] <amelia_> IT_Sean: don't I get unlimited brownies for offering up dibs on my second Pi? :D
[22:07] <GabrialDestruir> I don't even want to ask how many I have .-.
[22:07] <IT_Sean> amelia_: only after i get it
[22:07] <amelia_> gah
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[22:07] <IT_Sean> GabrialDestruir: you are so far in the hole you can't even see the sky :p
[22:08] <amelia_> black hole
[22:08] <amelia_> nothing escapes
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[22:08] <piless> plenty of stuff escapes
[22:08] * IT_Sean makes excellent brownies. Hence the high price.
[22:08] <GabrialDestruir> That's just wrong.... because I've been plenty helpful sheesh....
[22:09] <itsjareds> Hey, I got an order code from RS Online today. How long do you think it'll take to get here if I order now?
[22:09] <IT_Sean> alright, fine. I'll credit you 10 million points. You are now at negative eighty four. Happy?
[22:09] <amelia_> xD
[22:09] <IT_Sean> itsjareds: a month?
[22:10] <ReggieUK> 3 weeks or less I reckon
[22:10] <piless> itsjareds: week perhaps, maybe 2 or 3
[22:10] <ReggieUK> according to mine
[22:10] <itsjareds> IT_Sean: hm, alright, because I have one backordered from Newark that says estimated date is June 18th
[22:10] <GabrialDestruir> 15 years, 2 months and 32 days.
[22:10] <itsjareds> is it worth canceling that order and just ordering from RS Online?
[22:10] <GabrialDestruir> I say 32 days because in 15 years we'll have 40 day months
[22:11] <piless> itsjareds: definitely
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[22:12] <itsjareds> piless: okay, I'll do it then
[22:12] <itsjareds> thanks all
[22:12] <IT_Sean> np
[22:12] <piless> oh wait
[22:12] <piless> june is next month
[22:12] <IT_Sean> dahurrp
[22:12] <piless> so I guess there wouldn't be much difference
[22:12] <itsjareds> yep, about 3 weeks from now
[22:12] <itsjareds> if it makes any difference, I'm in the US and not the UK
[22:12] <IT_Sean> !!
[22:12] <IT_Sean> A YANK!
[22:13] <piless> scum
[22:13] * IT_Sean gets a pitchfork!
[22:13] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:13] <itsjareds> :P
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[22:13] <GabrialDestruir> OH STFU
[22:13] <itsjareds> i'm close to your land though!
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[22:13] <IT_Sean> HEY! :/
[22:13] <itsjareds> east coast.
[22:13] <georgeperkins> OK trying to add a config.txt to the sd, but can't mount the sd (in kubuntu). am I missing something?
[22:13] <GabrialDestruir> -tosses out anti-brit forcefield-
[22:13] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
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[22:13] <piless> georgeperkins: yes, don't use kubuntu
[22:14] <piless> kde sucks
[22:14] * IT_Sean walks right through GD's forcefield
[22:14] <georgeperkins> piless: ok but it should be possible to mount the debian flashed sd without issue?
[22:15] <piless> umm
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[22:15] <GabrialDestruir> Damn you american traitors! xD
[22:15] <`101gfx> Would anyone be able to recommend a USB wifi dongle model?
[22:15] <IT_Sean> Hey... I'm Irish. I'm neutral in all this. :p
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[22:15] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs well then I suppose you're not that bad...
[22:16] <IT_Sean> that's better.
[22:16] <piless> `101gfx: edimax make some nice dongles
[22:16] <piless> irish are the worst
[22:16] <IT_Sean> :o
[22:16] <piless> even worse than the welsh
[22:16] <GabrialDestruir> Idk....
[22:16] <GabrialDestruir> they have some pretty hot women...
[22:17] <IT_Sean> Hey, come on now... NOONE is worse than the welsh!
[22:17] <piless> GabrialDestruir: you're kidding right?
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[22:22] <GabrialDestruir> No?
[22:22] <fragalot> \o/ just ordered my rpi
[22:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> MattPurland: You have your Pi?
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[22:25] * Gadgetoid_Air pokes MattPurland
[22:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> `101gfx: I know what wifi dongle works for me, but whether or not the chipset has been changed remains to be seen
[22:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> `101gfx: This is the only one out of my three that works: http://www.sandberg.it/product/Mini-WiFi-USB-Dongle
[22:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> Both my micro dongles are failures, and both, iirc, use the Ralink chipset, whereas this one uses Realtek
[22:29] <Kuba> Gadgetoid_Air: it's not so small
[22:29] <Kuba> :(
[22:29] <Kuba> I've seen smaller
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[22:30] <`101gfx> Gadgetoid_Air: are you running that off a powered usb hub?
[22:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> `101gfx: No, plugged it right in
[22:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> Kuba: yeah, that's the big dongle??? I have two tiny ones, but neither of them work; they are both "N" so presumably they draw significantly more power
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[22:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> But I think the problem with them is drivers, as I've had issues with them on other ARM devices
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[22:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> these kernel modules are taking forever to compile, I only wanted to configure the source so I could compile up mceusb and get an IR remote working
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[22:34] <huene> are you compiling on the pi or cross compiling?
[22:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> `101gfx: can't guarantee that the same wireless adaptor will work for you as they could easily have changed its innards, but I'd recommend giving it a try; there are smaller, cheaper dongles but good luck getting them to work!
[22:34] <Kuba> Gadgetoid_Air: what are those 2 exactly?
[22:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> huene: On the Pi :D
[22:34] <Kuba> +1 for huene question
[22:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> Kuba: The Sandberg Micro WiFi dongle
[22:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> And the Solwise micro Wifi dongle
[22:34] <GabrialDestruir> I should set up debian so I can compile things on the pi
[22:34] <huene> well, that might take a while, yeah
[22:34] <Kuba> Gadgetoid_Air: goot to know, thx
[22:34] <huene> i used my netbook to crosscompile
[22:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> The solwise has a lower power draw, I think, as I managed to get it working on the Pandora which also has a weedy USB port
[22:35] <Kuba> hehe, netbook
[22:35] <Kuba> wouldn't RPi be faster than some of the netbooks? ;d
[22:35] <IT_Sean> ... whats wrong w/ a netbook, kuba?
[22:35] <haltdef> no
[22:35] <IT_Sean> ... ... no.
[22:35] <Kuba> haha
[22:35] <IT_Sean> have you USED a pi, kuba?
[22:35] <huene> Kuba: well. i didn't want to use my gaming-pc (its running windows. because i use it for gaming, obvisously)
[22:35] <haltdef> read somewhere 700mhz ARM11 is equivalent to 200mhz atom
[22:35] <Kuba> IT_Sean: I just got mine today
[22:36] <haltdef> huene, considered a VM?
[22:36] <IT_Sean> ahh. congrats.
[22:36] <IT_Sean> Got it running?
[22:36] <Kuba> yep, without monitor and keyboard
[22:36] <Kuba> ;)
[22:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> Specifically, I tested this and didn't get it working: http://www.solwise.co.uk/wireless-wl-umd-606n.htm
[22:36] <huene> haltdef: no. i thought i'd be faster using the netbook than setting up a VM
[22:36] <IT_Sean> awesomesauce.
[22:36] <GabrialDestruir> Curious, will raspbmc be a purely xbmc Distro does anyone know?
[22:36] <haltdef> mm
[22:37] <Kuba> IT_Sean: indeed
[22:37] <huene> i'm not planning to compile often, just wanted to be able to use iptables
[22:37] <IT_Sean> that's the way it looks, GD.
[22:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> And this one also doesn't seem to work: http://www.sandberg.it/product/Micro-WiFi-USB-Dongle
[22:37] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose I'll have to invest in a second Pi then
[22:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> But I've compiled up Ralink drivers before, so I'll try again on the Pi
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[22:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> Probably need a cross-compile env :D
[22:38] <GabrialDestruir> I couldn't get ralink to work on my debian distro
[22:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: did you get it to work with anything else?
[22:38] <GabrialDestruir> No never tried.
[22:39] <GabrialDestruir> After it caused my debian distro to go nuts I sort of avoided plugging in my wifi dongle
[22:40] <piless> GabrialDestruir: If it wasn't an xbmc distro then it wouldn't be called raspbmc
[22:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: yeah, didn't do mine any favours either
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[22:40] <GabrialDestruir> Well obviously it's an XBMC distro, the question is, is it purely xbmc like OpenELEC or will the final version just be XBMC ontop of debian.
[22:40] <D34TH> hmm i got a mac g3 with ubuntu installed
[22:40] <GabrialDestruir> As it currently is
[22:41] <D34TH> wonder what i could do with it
[22:41] <piless> D34TH: burn the powerpc
[22:41] <D34TH> lol
[22:41] * IT_Sean slaps piless
[22:41] * IT_Sean was using a PowerPC machine as his daily up until two months ago.
[22:41] <DaQatz> ppc is a good cpu.
[22:42] <D34TH> 64mb ram ftw
[22:42] <IT_Sean> Yup.
[22:42] * IT_Sean has a 333MHz G3 (Motorola PPC) CPU framed in his office. It's out of the 2nd computer he ever owned. :p
[22:42] <piless> you have an office?
[22:42] <DaQatz> IT_Sean: Why you stop using your ppc?
[22:43] <IT_Sean> DaQatz: it was a laptop, and the battery charging circuit on the PMU went POOF
[22:43] <IT_Sean> Still works, but, won't charge and only runs off mains.
[22:43] <DaQatz> Ah
[22:43] <piless> good enough
[22:43] <piless> it's not like a battery that old will hold a decent charge anyway
[22:44] <DaQatz> Sounds like it would make a nice testing machine.
[22:44] <johang> IT_Sean: and now you're using the raspberry pi as daily computer?
[22:44] <IT_Sean> Indeed. When it worked, it didn't even last long enough to boot.
[22:44] <IT_Sean> t'was a 10 year old machine.
[22:44] <IT_Sean> johang: I don't have a Pi yet.
[22:44] <D34TH> what should i do with the mac though
[22:45] <IT_Sean> I have two new computers. An OS X running iMac at home, and a Linux running ThinkPad for mobile use.
[22:45] <D34TH> its slow and hot D:
[22:45] <piless> burn it
[22:45] <D34TH> but its linux
[22:45] <D34TH> why waste a good install
[22:45] <IT_Sean> Piless, stop it.
[22:45] <piless> stop what? nothing support powerpc anymore.
[22:45] <IT_Sean> SO, doesn't mean it's useless.
[22:45] <shaulkr> On Linux everything supports PowerPC
[22:46] <johang> debian does ppc, no?
[22:46] <piless> yeah but linux isn't so good
[22:46] <IT_Sean> there are deeb distros for ppc, yes.
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[22:46] <D34TH> i threw ubuntu on it
[22:46] <johang> piless: windows > linux, right?
[22:46] <IT_Sean> and PPC versions of Linux Mint, Ubuntu, YDL, DSL, etc...
[22:47] <mjr> piless, psst, Pi is mostly for Linux...
[22:47] <piless> nu uh
[22:47] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:47] <IT_Sean> ya huh
[22:47] <piless> I'm sticking win ce on mine
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[22:47] <IT_Sean> eeeeeeew
[22:47] <mjr> good luck with that
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[22:47] <DaQatz> Oi
[22:47] <piless> win ce 6
[22:47] <IT_Sean> how do you even plan to make that work? O_o
[22:48] <piless> with my soldering iron
[22:48] <DaQatz> I wouldn't mind running Haiku on the pi. but Win CE?
[22:48] <piless> haiku is just a wannabe
[22:48] <GabrialDestruir> Win CE on the Pi?
[22:48] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[22:48] <johang> does the released bootloader stuff even support anything other than linux?
[22:48] <GabrialDestruir> The real question there is... why?
[22:49] <shaulkr> Well, I guess if you solder a WinCE CD (is there even such a thing?) to your Pi you could say you stuck WinCE on a Pi :D
[22:49] <mjr> it does if you make the other look like linux to it ;)
[22:49] <johang> I guess. but cmdline.txt looks pretty... linux.
[22:50] <IT_Sean> and on that, i am off
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[22:50] <piless> good riddance
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[22:51] <shaulkr> Reminds me of this: http://static.flickr.com/48/112187745_0c74097b57_m.jpg
[22:51] <`101gfx> Gadgetoid_Air: so you were saying the realtek chipset worked better?
[22:51] <shaulkr> Back from before Boot Camp
[22:51] <johang> heh
[22:51] <GabrialDestruir> Got Raspbmc installing on a 2GB card we'll see how this goes.
[22:52] <shaulkr> Does raspbmc have a repo you can add to regular Debian?
[22:52] <GabrialDestruir> Not that I know of.
[22:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> `101gfx: Yup, although this was specifically an old, non "n" chipset which might have helped
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[22:53] <piless> n is old now
[22:53] <piless> ac is where it's at nowadays
[22:53] <mkopack> yeah, there's a new one coming out soon
[22:53] <piless> it's already out
[22:53] <pjm> GabrialDestruir hi, i tried that raspbmc, it seems sluggish at 1920X1080 res, but drop down to 1400X900 and its quick, still a few bugs in it tho
[22:54] <mkopack> they haven't finalized the spec though
[22:54] <GabrialDestruir> There's a new spec now?
[22:54] <GabrialDestruir> Meh
[22:54] <GabrialDestruir> I just finally got my network switched to N
[22:54] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[22:54] <piless> there were plenty of draft-n devices though
[22:54] <`101gfx> I don't think I have migrated to N yet..
[22:54] <DaQatz> My network has been N + Gigabit for years now.
[22:55] <mkopack> Yeah, and some of them don't work now with REAL N devices??? I'll just wait until the spec if finalized thanks??? should be before the end of the year
[22:56] <GabrialDestruir> Wasn't N finalized last year?
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[22:57] <mkopack> N took FOREVER
[22:57] <_av500_> N is finalized
[22:57] <GabrialDestruir> I honestly see on point in going gigabit networking .-.
[22:58] <GabrialDestruir> Until such a time I can get more than 100Mb/s internet it's pointless
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[22:58] <mjr> one word: NAS
[22:58] <_av500_> it's nice to get rid of cables
[22:58] <_av500_> like uncompressed streaming of your stuff to the tv
[22:58] <_av500_> or to your nas
[22:59] <_av500_> imagine a laptop "dock" that needs no physical connection
[23:00] <_av500_> there is stuff like that on 60GHz
[23:00] <_av500_> works only line of sight mostly
[23:00] <plugwash> mmm, gigabit ethernet is not enough for uncompressed 1080p60
[23:00] <plugwash> though 10 gigabit ethernet is
[23:00] <friggle> Cheery: hi, thanks for adding a license
[23:00] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, stuff streams fine enough from desktop to my Pi, no need to go all out and start investing in Gigabit routers.
[23:01] <_av500_> plugwash: yeah, maybe video still needs to be compressed
[23:01] <friggle> Cheery: check out http://git.forwardbias.in/?p=hacks/dispmanx.git;a=summary for the hardware cursor stuff I mentioned
[23:01] <_av500_> the stuff I saw was basically wireless PCI-E
[23:01] <_av500_> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/60ghz-wi-fi-coming-next-year/1240
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[23:02] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone found good solutions for getting all the cords to more or less "exit" from one side of the Pi yet?
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[23:03] <piless> GabrialDestruir: One guy made a special L shaped case
[23:04] <shaulkr> Who's developing raspbmc?
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[23:05] <GabrialDestruir> Sam is
[23:05] <GabrialDestruir> Sam Nazarko
[23:05] <shaulkr> Is he here?
[23:05] <GabrialDestruir> no
[23:06] <GabrialDestruir> Not that I know of
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[23:07] <piless> http://www.mapmad.com/images/IMG_2069.JPG
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[23:07] <shaulkr> nice
[23:07] <GabrialDestruir> http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=162&pid=806#pid806
[23:07] <GabrialDestruir> apparently it will work on Debian
[23:09] <amelia_> piless: _why_?
[23:09] <piless> amelia_: low salt
[23:10] <amelia_> My Pi is devoid of NaCl :P
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[23:11] <GabrialDestruir> That's....
[23:11] <GabrialDestruir> just wrong piless....
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[23:11] <GabrialDestruir> At least have the decency to drag out some old legos and do it that way .-.
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[23:15] <Davespice> gents, any advice some old PC pros here. I've just bought a new 700W PSU installed it, boots up and PC is fine. Although the PSU is running a little hot... not sure if its because its a hot day here, background temp is 27 degrees etc. I have been wondering if my graphics card is causing it or something. I have a Nvidia 8800 GTX.
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[23:16] <SpeedEvil> ##hardware
[23:17] <SpeedEvil> Why do you think the PC is running hot
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[23:17] <Davespice> warm/hot air coming out the back
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, (evening) - I've no ideabut if it's working OK, then is there a problem?
[23:17] <Davespice> mobo temp was about 55 degrees
[23:17] <ReggieUK> how thats fine
[23:17] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: It's designed in general to throttle down the fans to keep the exhaust air fairly warm
[23:17] <ReggieUK> is the pc still running?
[23:17] <Davespice> well yeah, I thought it wouldn't get so hot
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: Actual exhaust temperature?
[23:18] <Davespice> no idea... haven't measured... just wondering if its normal or not
[23:18] <piless> try it with a pencil
[23:18] <georgeperkins> does config.txt go on the small partition or the large partition (which has a 'root' directory
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: can you touch the metal for a long period without it burning you?
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> georgeperkins, the small one.
[23:18] <ReggieUK> you haven't really given much information Davespice
[23:19] <Kuba> hmm
[23:19] <ReggieUK> so hard to say if it's entirely normal
[23:19] <Davespice> yeah, although the heat sink of the graphics card is too hot to touch usually
[23:19] <Kuba> is there a builtin CLI music player?
[23:19] <Kuba> in debian image?
[23:19] <Kuba> or do I have to compile, say mplayer?
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> kuba try the 'play' command.
[23:19] <ReggieUK> have you noticed and performance degradation?
[23:19] <Davespice> ReggieUK: if you want to know something more, just ask me, you can't expect me to know what you want to know?
[23:19] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: the metal of the fan surround of the PSU
[23:19] <Kuba> gordonDrogon: command not found
[23:19] <georgeperkins> gordonDrogon: OK, but on the small one, do I need to create a /boot folder or just stick the config file in root dir
[23:19] <Davespice> SpeedEvil: its warm, but not too hot to touch
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> Kuba, sudo apt-get install play
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: then the exhaust air is under 55C or so.
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[23:20] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: Probably 45V
[23:20] <GabrialDestruir> Are there any guides for setting up a webserver on pi?
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> georgeperkins, sounds like you have the card mounted in another PC?
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> Entirely normal
[23:20] <Kuba> gordonDrogon: wooo, do we custom packages sources for apt? :D
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> georgeperkins, if that's so, then it will be mounted under /boot on a real Pi...
[23:20] <Davespice> okay cool, I just wish that it wouldn't spew out hot air as its acting like a 3 bar fire heating up my room lol
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> Kuba, what? apt-get installs packages from the main debian repositories.
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[23:21] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: Use a lower power PC.
[23:21] <Davespice> and its bloody humid here in London today <wipes brow>
[23:21] <Kuba> gordonDrogon: ah, okay
[23:21] <Kuba> yeah...
[23:21] <Davespice> yeah I should! :)
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: Perhaps an ARM based one.
[23:21] <Kuba> gordonDrogon: I'm dumb, forget it
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> On a related topic
[23:21] <georgeperkins> gordonDrogon: yes, I removed it from the pi in order to change overscan setting on my pc, since I can't see the edges
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> 70% RH here in Devon..
[23:21] <Davespice> SpeedEvil: har har
[23:21] <ReggieUK> its only going to get worse as it gets warmer
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[23:21] <Cheery> friggle: all right.
[23:21] <Davespice> Yeah, the Pi is downstairs, flatmates using it to watch game of thrones atm
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> Are there any basic filesystems - I have only got a 1G card spare here
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[23:22] <gordonDrogon> georgeperkins, ok - in that case it's fine - just create/edit config.txt in the small partition.
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[23:22] <georgeperkins> gordonDrogon: awsome thanks. A little confusing as there is a /boot directory on the large partition
[23:22] <jamesglanville> I apt-get upgraded my pi, why does in want to install decnet? :O
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> georgeperkins, yes - that's where the small partition gets mounted in the Pi when it's running.
[23:24] <Davespice> SpeedEvil: you might be able to use the 1GB card to just hold the FAT32 partition, and use cmdline.txt to redirect it to a partition on another flash USB drive or hard drive? I read about someone doing that on the forums the other day
[23:24] <piless> jamesglanville: don't do it
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: meh
[23:24] <jamesglanville> piless: I didn't configure it, hadn't noticed it install though
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: I just want a stupid headless system without X.
[23:24] <Davespice> SpeedEvil: just trying to help :)
[23:25] <SpeedEvil> Davespice: Fair enough, I just find it a little annoying,
[23:25] <piless> SpeedEvil: linux is bloated
[23:25] <Davespice> I agree there should be an absolute minimal system though
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[23:25] <SpeedEvil> piless: No, it's not
[23:25] <Davespice> I wonder if Raspbian would fit...
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> right. now my printer is working again, I've printed a letter to my milkman asking if he can supply 20 tubs of clotted cream...
[23:25] <SpeedEvil> piless: I have slackware, I can do a ~100M install easily
[23:26] <georgeperkins> gordonDrogon: Ah I see. Anyway, yes that did the trick, config settings now working. thanks
[23:26] <piless> people still use milkmen?
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> yea :)
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> comes in glass bottles.
[23:27] <_av500_> the milkman?
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough.jpg
[23:27] <piless> where do you live? the 80's?
[23:27] <zleap> hello gordonDrogon
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> ruralistan.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> back in a tick..
[23:28] <_av500_> cant you buy Mighty White like sane people?
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir> Wth is mighty white?
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir> and wtf milk in glass bottles?
[23:34] <_av500_> GabrialDestruir: a brand of bread
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> I buy real milk.
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> and I make real bread.
[23:34] <_av500_> the us/uk kind
[23:34] <_av500_> which I would call "toast"
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> it's good toasted too :)
[23:35] <plugwash> umm, isn't toast something you make from bread....
[23:35] <plugwash> not something you buy
[23:35] <_av500_> plugwash: yes
[23:35] <_av500_> still, what some people call "bread", others know only as toast
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> need clotted cream for the scones. I've just made 100...
[23:36] <_av500_> want
[23:36] <_av500_> Devon tea ftw
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[23:37] <ReggieUK> mmmmmmn, scones
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> jam on top.
[23:38] <_av500_> yep
[23:39] <GabrialDestruir> My phone got so many messages when I turned it on
[23:39] <GabrialDestruir> that it killed itself again
[23:39] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> zed time... until tomorow!
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[23:52] <des2> So it can talk to your PDP 11/45 ?
[23:53] <jamesglanville> why would i want that?
[23:53] <des2> I don't know you're the one installing decnet.
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