#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-05-25

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[0:00] <GabrialDestruir> People actually still use the word "whilst"
[0:00] <amelia_> Yes.
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[0:04] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[0:05] <GabrialDestruir> This is funny.... "while" is older than "whilst" yet "whilst" is consider more formal than "while"
[0:05] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[0:09] <SpeedEvil> Merely because a world is fucking old doesn't mean it's formal.
[0:10] <GabrialDestruir> True...
[0:10] <GabrialDestruir> But it's weird that the original word wouldn't be more form than the derivative word.
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[0:15] <Kewlj1313> wow :) RaspberryPi running openelec xbmc amazing!
[0:15] <zleap> SpeedEvil, did you mean word there rather than world
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[0:16] <SpeedEvil> zleap: no.
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[0:17] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently youtube video download is broken in Raspbmc for some reason .-.
[0:17] <zleap> ok
[0:18] <zleap> #eww
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[0:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have a feeling these kernel modules will be compiling for the next thousand years :D
[0:21] <GabrialDestruir> apparently where xbmc keeps crashing has something to do with OMX and being unable to decode a jpg
[0:21] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[0:22] <GabrialDestruir> http://pastebin.com/rkkFQFCS
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[0:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> lalalal *fingers in ears* there is no XBMC :D
[0:28] <GabrialDestruir> Yes there is!
[0:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Woo, building modules stage 2!
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[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> I apparently need to install busybox on raspbmc .-.
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[1:55] <GabrialDestruir> killall: you need to specify whom to kill
[1:55] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[2:04] <simonlc> SStrife: so I compiled quake 3, but when I load a level it fucks up and just flashes
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[2:04] <simonlc> if I do a time demo it stays on the loading screen flashing until the demo is over
[2:04] <simonlc> so I never see the game D:
[2:04] <SStrife> hmm
[2:04] <IT_Sean> simonlc, please mind the swearing.
[2:05] <simonlc> rgr
[2:05] <SStrife> adjusted the CPU/GPU RAM division?
[2:05] <SStrife> the default doesn't always work
[2:05] <simonlc> no, never done that before
[2:05] <SStrife> ok
[2:05] <SStrife> raspbian's default doesn't work
[2:05] <SStrife> you need,
[2:05] <SStrife> um
[2:06] <SStrife> 192/64
[2:06] <SStrife> 224/32 doesn't seem to work reliably
[2:06] <simonlc> ah ok, I'll expiriment, thanks
[2:07] <SStrife> so to fix that, copy one of the alternative .elf files in /boot over the start.elf file
[2:07] <simonlc> yeah I think quake 3's min is 64, unless you change some settings
[2:07] <SStrife> well, i used to play Q3A on a Voodoo Graphics card, because I couldn't afford anything better
[2:07] <SStrife> and it only has 4MB
[2:07] <SStrife> 2MB texture memory, 2MB framebuffer
[2:08] <SStrife> mind you, I played it at 640x480 16-bit
[2:08] <simonlc> that's what I'm playing as on the pi
[2:08] <SStrife> but yeah, on raspi, you need a bit more
[2:08] <simonlc> but I have hunkmegs set higher
[2:08] <plugwash> yeah, whereas i'm guessing most people are running their pi's at somewhere between 1280x1024 and 1920x1200
[2:09] <SStrife> yep
[2:09] <simonlc> I just have it that low for the purposes of getting high fps, since the game uses the framebuffer as the resolution
[2:09] <SStrife> hexxeh's precompiled quake3 seems to behave more "nicely"
[2:10] <SStrife> if there's not enough VRAM, it just crashes "couldn't init GL"
[2:10] <SStrife> our compiled one just seems to blindly go
[2:10] <simonlc> I'll bench both
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[2:11] <SStrife> hexxeh's precompiled one doesn't run on raspbian
[2:11] <SStrife> or at least it didnt for me
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[2:11] <Hexxeh> SStrife: that's because it's not hardfloat
[2:11] <SStrife> because it was compiled against the soft-fl..........
[2:11] <SStrife> that
[2:11] <SStrife> :)
[2:11] <simonlc> right, I meant on debian
[2:12] <Hexxeh> i should do a hardfp version sometime
[2:12] <Viperfang> Hmm, is that just a case of compiling on a HF system?
[2:12] <SStrife> mpthompson put instructions on the raspbian wiki for compiling
[2:13] <SStrife> you have to edit build.sh, but otherwise it's pretty straightforward, takes about an hour
[2:13] <Viperfang> I might just compile that tomorrow
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[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> Hopefully I'm not screwing up my raspbmc system trying to get lighttpd installed with php
[2:18] <Hexxeh> Viperfang: yeah
[2:19] <Hexxeh> meh
[2:19] <SStrife> do the other distros have the hardfloat/softfloat problem?
[2:19] <Hexxeh> i'll do it now if i can find my SD cards
[2:20] <Hexxeh> moved out of my flat yesterday, everything is boxes
[2:20] <SStrife> gawd, i hate moving
[2:20] <SStrife> it's the worst
[2:21] <Hexxeh> think i've got the first "bramble" in the making here
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[2:22] <Hexxeh> http://cl.ly/GtSA
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[2:23] <SStrife> nice
[2:23] <SStrife> which cases are they?
[2:23] <Hexxeh> ModMyPi prototypes
[2:23] <SStrife> awesome
[2:23] <SStrife> i reckon i'll get some modmypi's
[2:23] <Hexxeh> 3D printed, kindly provided by the guy who's setting that up
[2:23] <SStrife> score
[2:23] <Hexxeh> Taking my Pi with me next week to California, needed some way to keep them safe in transit
[2:24] <SStrife> good idea
[2:24] <Hexxeh> Speaking of which
[2:24] <SStrife> i bet TSA wouldn't be too fond of naked PCBs coming through an airport either
[2:25] <Hexxeh> If anyone is around the Bay Area and wants to play with a Pi for a bit, do let me know
[2:25] <Hexxeh> You'll have to get to SF or MTV, but I'll bring them all along with me
[2:25] <Hexxeh> Probably gonna loan a couple out to fellow Googlers/Nooglers
[2:25] <Hexxeh> SStrife: Apparently Liz took a few in hand-luggage no problem
[2:25] <SStrife> i visited SF last year, it's a great place :)
[2:25] <SStrife> ah ok, thats good to know
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[2:26] <SStrife> i heard the story about that guy with his altoids tin amplifier
[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> how can I install readlink to debian, anyone know? .-.
[2:27] <Hexxeh> GabrialDestruir: apt-get install coreutils
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> Thank you.
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> bah it says they're already installed .-.
[2:28] <Hexxeh> Hmm, let me check, I thought it was in that package...
[2:28] <Hexxeh> What needs it, btw?
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[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> php5-cgi
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[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> to be configured properly
[2:29] <Hexxeh> readlink should be a package in itself apparently
[2:29] <GabrialDestruir> I think busybox somehow broke it -.-
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[2:32] <GabrialDestruir> I installed busybox because I was missing killall, now whatevers trying to use readlink is using busybox's which doesn't have the -m argument
[2:33] <GabrialDestruir> http://pastebin.com/Y8Ehks6b
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[2:40] <GabrialDestruir> Holy hell.
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[2:42] <passstab> wow what the crap?
[2:42] <GabrialDestruir> Half the room gone xD
[2:42] <passstab> is this the rapture?
[2:42] <Conic> Was there a netsplit or something before I joined?
[2:42] <GabrialDestruir> Huge one
[2:42] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[2:42] <Conic> Lol
[2:42] <GabrialDestruir> Half the room gone
[2:42] <Conic> Never seen a netsplit on freenode
[2:43] <Conic> It must be a sight to behold
[2:43] <passstab> about thee pages
[2:43] <Conic> Wow. Wonder what one looks like on #ubuntu
[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> I see them all the time.
[2:43] <passstab> of quit messages
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[2:44] <GabrialDestruir> Got it, a reinstall of coreutils should fix my readlink issue xD
[2:44] <Conic> So anyways
[2:45] <Conic> I just got my "Ready to order" email
[2:45] <Conic> But paypal wants my ssn :/
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[2:46] <FusionStack> is it possible to use the pi and subscribe to multicast udp feeds? has anyone done this yet? What's the best UI that people are using?
[2:46] <FusionStack> is it possible to use the pi and subscribe to multicast udp feeds? has anyone done this yet? What's the best UI that people are using?
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[2:46] <GabrialDestruir> Not really, it only wants a way to further verify your account.
[2:46] <GabrialDestruir> Oh hey.
[2:46] <GabrialDestruir> You guys are back.
[2:46] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[2:46] <Conic> Welcome back, other side of the netsplit
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[2:46] <passstab> NOOOOOOO
[2:46] <GabrialDestruir> Uh oh >.>
[2:46] <Conic> No, it needs a proof of ssn, proof of address and a photo id
[2:46] <FusionStack> sorry to post again - is it possible to use the pi and subscribe to multicast udp feeds? has anyone done this yet? What's the best UI that people are using?
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[2:46] <Conic> Which will take a long time for them to process - ugh
[2:47] <passstab> join #ubuntu quick
[2:47] <passstab> it's still happening
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[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> I will by the end of the night have XBMC and a webserver running on my raspbmc!
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> That's my goal
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[2:48] <flaushy> \o/
[2:49] <passstab> GabrialDestruir, i will by the end of the next month have a raspberry pi
[2:49] <passstab> thats my goal
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> It shouldn't be this hard.
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> But I went and screwed up coreutils with busybox
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[2:50] <passstab> lol same thing i said
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[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> Once I get my coreutils fixed I'll have php installed.
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> Then I can go about making a fancy page like gadgetoid's
[2:51] <flaushy> ouch
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[2:51] <flaushy> i dont like php
[2:52] <flaushy> but.... installing rails on the pi takes forever
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[2:52] <Conic> Running rails on something like the pi seems like a terrible idea.
[2:52] <DaQatz> Oi
[2:52] <flaushy> not in a small setup
[2:53] <Conic> It had trouble running on my old pentium 4
[2:53] <Viperfang> Yay, we're back
[2:53] <flaushy> o.O
[2:53] <flaushy> it runs fine on my kirkwood devices (redmines+stuff)
[2:53] <FusionStack> really interested in using a pi as a STB, is XBMC the most popular UI to use?
[2:53] <Conic> Most likely the ram limitation then
[2:54] <Conic> My old pentium 4 has 128MB...
[2:54] <flaushy> same goes for one of my kirkwoods
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> What happens to people on the otherside of a netsplit, do they get disconnected or do they see a completely different version of this room? (Like a multiverse room sort of) >.>
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> Or what?
[2:54] <flaushy> but question is how much other stuff was loaded
[2:54] <flaushy> different version of room
[2:54] <Conic> Absolutely none. It was on a fresh install of debian
[2:54] <flaushy> that is strange
[2:54] <Viperfang> GabrialDestruir: multiverse
[2:54] <flaushy> but then again.. p4...
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[2:57] <flaushy> Hexxeh: you overclock the pi in your raspbian image by default?
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> Okay reinstalled coreutils and it's still trying to use busybox
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
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[3:01] <GabrialDestruir> n
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[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> fixed... for now .-.
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> God knows what else busybox screwed up... lol
[3:18] <ShiftPlusOne> what do you need busybox for? O_o
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[3:19] <GabrialDestruir> it was telling me killall didn't exist so I installed busybox so I'd have it and that went and screwed up coreutils
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[3:20] <SStrife> apt-get install tasksel && tasksel install simple ??
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[3:20] <SStrife> should give you killall
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[3:22] <ShiftPlusOne> don't know about other distros, but on gentoo it's in the psmisc package
[3:22] <ShiftPlusOne> installing busybox wasn't the best idea.
[3:23] <simonlc> SStrife: the game is maxing out at 60fps for me
[3:23] <SStrife> nice
[3:23] <SStrife> that's at 640x480 right?
[3:23] <simonlc> yes
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[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> busybox is just a way to make a simple root filesystem without sacrificing sanity.
[3:23] <simonlc> I want to get higher fps though D:
[3:23] <simonlc> I think the sdl driver is limiting it
[3:24] <SStrife> probably forces vsync ;)
[3:24] <simonlc> :(
[3:24] <GabrialDestruir> pssh
[3:24] <SStrife> ah, i dont think quake uses SDL for graphics
[3:24] <simonlc> it forces 4xAA too
[3:24] <GabrialDestruir> why do you need higher than 60fps
[3:24] <SStrife> from what i understand, it uses SDL for input, sound, networking
[3:24] <simonlc> because quake 125 fps is needed for physics
[3:25] <GabrialDestruir> really?
[3:25] <GabrialDestruir> yeesh
[3:25] <SStrife> and creates a graphics window, because that's prerequisite for using sdl
[3:25] <SStrife> it renders directly to OpenGL ES
[3:25] <PhonicUK> my Pi arrives tomorrow/monday :D
[3:25] <PhonicUK> eh today/monday!
[3:26] <PhonicUK> it shipped a couple of days ago
[3:26] <simonlc> ah cool ioquake3 has a physics fix
[3:26] <PhonicUK> I wonder how well Mono compiles for ARM
[3:28] <GabrialDestruir> yay php installed successfully I think
[3:28] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[3:29] <PhonicUK> anyone know how fast the Pi does Q3 at 1080p?
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[3:29] <SStrife> the timedemo benchmark gets 28fps on raspbian
[3:30] <SStrife> at 1600x1200
[3:31] <PhonicUK> not bad
[3:31] <PhonicUK> certainly playable
[3:32] <PhonicUK> I wonder if ID 4 engine can be ported and still deliver acceptable performance at 720p
[3:32] <Hexxeh> flaushy: yes, 800mhz
[3:32] <Hexxeh> i've not found a pi yet that won't do it
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[3:33] <PhonicUK> what's the stock speed?
[3:33] <simonlc> did a time demo 56.7fps
[3:33] <oneadvent> hi, does anyone know how to tell the amount of mA the raspberry pi has access to?
[3:33] <Hexxeh> 700mhz
[3:33] <PhonicUK> My old N900 has a Cortex A8 @ 600Mhz, is fine at 1GHz :)
[3:33] <simonlc> someone hacked doom3 to run on a voodoo2
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[3:33] <simonlc> before the gpl source
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[3:33] <oneadvent> I mean i'm not sure how much my power supply is giving it
[3:33] <PhonicUK> thats not too supprising
[3:34] <PhonicUK> Doom 3 could use OpenGL and the Voodoo2 supported Glide
[3:34] <ShiftPlusOne> oneadvent, what exactly are you asking? If I understoof you correctly, just look at the power supply, it should have the maximum current the source can provide.
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[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> or are you actually asking how much it's actually drawing?
[3:35] <oneadvent> ShiftPlusOne: I am plugging a usb into the tv and i can't find documentation on how much mA the tv outputs on its usb port
[3:35] <simonlc> I wish the fps wasn't caped so I could test if certain things made a difference or not
[3:36] <oneadvent> so i'm asking can the rpi tell me what it is being offered, and if not sure I'll go with how much it is drawing?
[3:36] <PhonicUK> lol, if a Voodoo2 can play Doom 3, so can a Pi
[3:36] <PhonicUK> the fun part is pushing the OpenGL calls to OpenGL:ES
[3:36] <ShiftPlusOne> oneadvent, nuh, the pi won't tell you, check your TV's documentation maybe.
[3:36] <GabrialDestruir> Ugh I can't get root access via ftp .-.
[3:37] <PhonicUK> and since its OGL1 i believe its pretty straightforward
[3:37] <PhonicUK> all fixed function stuff
[3:37] <ShiftPlusOne> oneadvent, it may tell you that it doesn't have enough if it doesn't boot or crashes.
[3:37] <oneadvent> ShiftPlusOne: I can't find the documentation for the tv to tell me that. It is an emerson...sigh
[3:38] <oneadvent> specifically LC320EM2
[3:38] <oneadvent> but i have looked high and low for that documentation
[3:38] <oneadvent> guess i could call them
[3:39] <flaushy> Hexxeh: ok, was wondering about it. Thanks
[3:40] <oneadvent> ShiftPlusOne: I am only having trouble utilizing the full gpu (for h264 video) and thinking it is a power issue.
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[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't sound like it, but I don't know.
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd imagine that low power would lead to instability rather than anything else.
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> Okay php successfully installed .-.
[3:45] <oneadvent> yea i did it once with 500 mA and the usbs wouldn't work
[3:45] <Kuba> hmm, sound connector seems to carry some noise; have you experienced it as well?
[3:46] <Kuba> or maybe my RPi is a little bit crappy ;p
[3:46] <GabrialDestruir> Could be the decoding....
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[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> Because we don't have audio licenses for things like mp3, all decoding is done by the CPU
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> so if your file is too encoded or some crap you get noise
[3:47] <Kuba> hmm
[3:48] <Kuba> I don't understan one thing though
[3:48] <Kuba> if we had a license, then it would be handled by...?
[3:48] <GabrialDestruir> GPU
[3:48] <Kuba> hmm
[3:49] <Kuba> so which file formats currently should use GPU?
[3:49] <Kuba> oog?
[3:49] <oneadvent> it is a race to see who unlocks it first!
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[3:49] <Kuba> oneadvent: haha, you're joking, right? ;d
[3:50] <GabrialDestruir> Ruhroh..... I may of just killed my pi xD
[3:50] <ShiftPlusOne> yay
[3:51] <Kuba> is there anything that uses GPU?
[3:51] <GabrialDestruir> oh good it didn't die xD
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[3:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Kuba, 1080p30 H.264
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[3:51] <Kuba> ShiftPlusOne: only this specific combination?
[3:52] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
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[3:52] <Kuba> hahaha
[3:53] <Kuba> thanks guys, going to bed now :)
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[3:54] <GabrialDestruir> Gadgetoid, want to share your script for displaying Rpi info? >.>
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[4:10] <simonlc> SStrife: 54.6fps at 1920x1200
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[4:14] <shirro> Hi hate how ssh to the Pi is unusable if the mouse and keyboard are plugged in on the Pi. Does everyone have this issue now or is it just my input devices?
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[4:18] <mkopack> Raspberry Pi #2 arrived :)
[4:19] <mkopack> This one from Newark - def part of their production run. Totally different serial number label on the bottom and it has the CE marking silkscreened, unlike the one I got from RS which was part of the first 10K
[4:19] <mkopack> I have to say, the Rs one had a better solder job on it. One of the GPIO pins on the Newark one has a nice big GLOB of solder on the bottom of the board
[4:19] <mkopack> Might have to touch that up myself
[4:21] <shirro> when does destructive testing start?
[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> Destructive testing starts when it's all done and over with? >.>
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[4:25] <neofutur> hi all I will need a small led monitor for my raspberrypi
[4:26] <neofutur> for now I found 480 x 234 for 45 $ and 800x600 for 90$
[4:26] <neofutur> any recommendations ?
[4:27] <neofutur> also what is the minimum resolution supported but the default linux distro ?
[4:28] <neofutur> also if the monitor says "Not VGA input ,just USB input" can it be used with the pi ?
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> pi has no VGA
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> so anything VGA won't work
[4:29] <neofutur> no adaptor possible ?
[4:30] <neofutur> and one saying "Video System inputPAL/NTSC" ?
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[4:30] <neofutur> but this one is not saying VGA, it says "Not VGA input ,just USB input"
[4:30] <mkopack> Only away you can get VGa is with some sort of powered HDMI --> VGA adaptor??? and most of those cost2x the price of the pi or more
[4:31] <mkopack> neofutur: If that's the case, then it
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[4:31] <neofutur> _not_ vga input
[4:31] <mkopack> it's more an matter of drivers than anything else
[4:31] <mkopack> finding ARM compatible Linux drivers might not be easy
[4:31] <GabrialDestruir> trying to install rails crashed my pi apparently
[4:31] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[4:31] <neofutur> right now there are no recommended small LEd monitors ?
[4:31] <mkopack> most hardware, if it has Linux drivers, are x86 drivers, not ARM
[4:31] <neofutur> i cant be the first one to need this ;)
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[4:32] <GabrialDestruir> Check the forums
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[4:32] <GabrialDestruir> It's probably been overdiscussed there.
[4:33] <neofutur> hum i foudn an interesting one, HDMI supported, 1024*600 HD LG IPS panel with LED backlight , around 95 $
[4:33] <GabrialDestruir> I hope the final version of raspbmc doesn't strip out the background customizability of beta
[4:34] <neofutur> yup also having a look at the forums
[4:35] <GabrialDestruir> The whole ability to install a background server and such
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[4:38] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[4:38] <GabrialDestruir> apparently I can't download rails....
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[4:41] <SStrife> simonlc: What settings did you use to get that framerate?
[4:41] <simonlc> I will post configs in a bit
[4:42] <SStrife> sweet
[4:42] <SStrife> '
[4:42] <GabrialDestruir> Well this is starting to suck xD
[4:42] <SStrife> in the limited tinkering I did, I noticed that texture quality made no difference to performance
[4:43] <SStrife> if it did, it was less than 1fps
[4:43] <simonlc> usually just doing r_picmip 1 gives the most gain
[4:44] <simonlc> resolution didn't make as big of an effect as I thought it would
[4:44] <SStrife> yeah
[4:44] <simonlc> if only aa could be turned off!
[4:44] <SStrife> going from 1280x1024 to 1600x1200 made practically 0 difference
[4:45] <GabrialDestruir> Is there a way to figure out why exactly my Pi is dying while trying to download the files to install rails?
[4:45] <simonlc> 640x480 to 1920x1200 is like a 3-5 fps difference
[4:45] <SStrife> wow
[4:45] <SStrife> impressive
[4:45] <SStrife> Go Pi
[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, how is it 'dying'? Just crashing? Do you get any output?
[4:47] <GabrialDestruir> One minutes it's downloading.
[4:47] <GabrialDestruir> The next nothing
[4:47] <GabrialDestruir> No response.
[4:47] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like fun
[4:47] <mkopack> in the process of installing ROS on my Pi
[4:49] <simonlc> someone gave me some tweaks yesterday that fixed my wget problem
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[4:49] <GabrialDestruir> and again....
[4:49] <GabrialDestruir> downloading... then death
[4:49] <simonlc> want me to share?
[4:50] <GabrialDestruir> Eh sure.
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[4:50] <GabrialDestruir> http was what's running and it's crashing at different times.
[4:52] <simonlc> in cmdline.txt append: smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N
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[4:52] <GabrialDestruir> Hm
[4:52] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir: Which OS you running?
[4:52] <GabrialDestruir> Raspbmc
[4:53] <mkopack> oh, ok, can't help sorry
[4:53] <GabrialDestruir> It's xbmc on debian
[4:53] <GabrialDestruir> and wth this is odd .-.
[4:54] <simonlc> the other one is adding this line to /etc/sysctl.conf : vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288
[4:54] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if I could be running out of space or something.
[4:55] <GabrialDestruir> Yep there's my problem.
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[4:58] <neofutur> http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/564592577/SEETEC_mini_LCD_monitor_5_inch.html
[4:58] <neofutur> this one seems perfect nop ?
[4:59] <SStrife> GabrialDestruir: you were out of space?
[4:59] <SStrife> ???first day in IT? :P
[4:59] <GabrialDestruir> I can only assume that's the issue.
[4:59] <GabrialDestruir> yea
[4:59] <simonlc> hey, managing 4gb of space isn't easy
[4:59] <mkopack> get a bigger card!
[4:59] <mkopack> I bought 5 16GB cards!
[4:59] <mkopack> just to be safe
[5:00] <SStrife> just check, "df -h"
[5:00] <GabrialDestruir> The packages are 91MB and the card has 63 left
[5:00] <simonlc> I have a 2gb and 2 8gb micro sd
[5:00] <mkopack> 3 for pi's, 1 for Pandaboard, and still have 1 spare to use to try stuff out...
[5:00] <mkopack> Of course, that was before I bought 2 SSD's to use, so I could get away with really small SD cards since I just need /boot to be on them...
[5:00] <SStrife> I bought an 8GB card just for Pi, and I've repurposed a bunch of Micro and Mini SD cards from other bits of gear
[5:01] <mkopack> At some point I'll actually use some of these older small cards I have to make the 2 /boot's and go from there
[5:01] <mkopack> Thankfully, since /boot is FAT, it's REALLY easy to copy that data over
[5:01] <SStrife> I have a USB HDD to use for rootfs's
[5:02] <simonlc> why not use sftp?
[5:02] <SStrife> but i cant use it till I find a non-crappy hub
[5:02] <SStrife> one that doesn't shoot power OUT the IN plug.
[5:02] <mkopack> SStrife: yeah, I was going to do that, but jesus, it's like impossible to find anything smaller than a 320GB 2.5" drive these days, and they want like $100 for them??? I picked up 32GB SSD's for <$29 each after rebate
[5:02] <mkopack> And 32GB is PLENTY for what I'm doing
[5:03] <SStrife> i have a 200GB 2.5" drive from an old laptop
[5:03] <mkopack> Esp if I also mount the remaining space on the 16GB SD card for sotrage
[5:03] <SStrife> i'll divvy it into 4 50GB partitions, that should be sweet
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[5:03] <GabrialDestruir> Okay installing the installer on my debian 8GB now
[5:03] <SStrife> then i can just switch SD cards, and have them each pointing at a different partition for /
[5:03] <mkopack> Plus I'm planning to use the RPi for robotics work, so having no moving parts and a low power requirement for the SSD is kinda nice
[5:03] <SStrife> yeah true
[5:04] <SStrife> are they proper SATA SSD's or just usb thumb drives?
[5:04] <GabrialDestruir> I'm planning to invest in a 2TB for my Pi
[5:04] <mkopack> SSD's
[5:04] <GabrialDestruir> I'll use it as a fileserver/mediaserver
[5:04] <mkopack> 1 patriot Torqx 2 32GB that Fry's had for $59, but $29 after MIR
[5:05] <SStrife> nice
[5:05] <mkopack> the other is a Corsair that Newegg have for $59, but there's a $10 MIR and I had a $30 credit with them
[5:05] <SStrife> my PC has a 30GB Kingston SSD, but these days it's barely big enough for Windows...
[5:05] <mkopack> so even with adding in 2 $9 USB sleds for them, still pretty inexpensive
[5:05] <mkopack> yeah, windows = PIG
[5:05] <SStrife> yeah, you got a good deal there
[5:05] <mkopack> Linux = nice and small
[5:06] <SStrife> my PC is a gaming rig though, so Windows is a necessary evil
[5:06] <mkopack> yeah I hear ya
[5:06] <SStrife> if I gave up gaming, I'd have an iMac by now
[5:06] <mkopack> ok, now for the fun part??? Compiling ROS??? this should take about 2 hours.. so I'll just kick it off and go to bed
[5:06] <GabrialDestruir> Not much longer.
[5:06] <GabrialDestruir> Valve games are going linux
[5:06] <mkopack> Eh, I have a 2009 Mac Pro the tI've upgraded the video card on
[5:06] <SStrife> they've been saying that for years
[5:07] <GabrialDestruir> They have actual proof
[5:07] <GabrialDestruir> L4D2 on Linux
[5:07] <mkopack> yeah, um, there's like 3 of those I play???
[5:07] <SStrife> they've had proof for years too
[5:07] <mkopack> (not that I have time to play much anymore
[5:07] <SStrife> i've seen it
[5:07] <SStrife> the l4d2 being played
[5:07] <GabrialDestruir> Natively?
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Are there any pi cases which allow you to connect a floppy drive cable to the gpio pins?
[5:07] <SStrife> but i don't believe valve will make the commercial decision to support the plethora of linux setups out there
[5:07] <SStrife> yeah, natively
[5:08] <simonlc> they could if they had the interest
[5:08] <mkopack> shift: I' know I've seen a few that allow access to the GPIO, but nothing I thought that looked great
[5:08] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/127475-valve-confirms-steam-and-source-for-linux-signals-low-confidence-for-windows-8
[5:08] <simonlc> apparently employees are free to work on anythign they want
[5:08] <mkopack> check the cases thread on the forums
[5:08] <ShiftPlusOne> the forum? >=/
[5:08] <simonlc> and there's pics of l4d2 running on linux nativly
[5:09] <mkopack> well, sorry, that's where most RPi info is stockpiled!
[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
[5:09] <SStrife> I think they'd do their Valve STB thing before they released steam and source as linux packages.
[5:10] <SStrife> i've seen that article
[5:10] <SStrife> it even says that Gabe hasn't explicitly said anything about steam on linux
[5:10] <simonlc> SStrife: did you used to play cs:s?
[5:10] <mkopack> lets, see any spaces dragon docking info on NASA TV right now?
[5:10] <SStrife> i reckon that whatever work they're doing to get steam on the Linux kernel, would be for their Valve STB/Appliance idea.
[5:11] <SStrife> simonlc: a little bit
[5:11] <mkopack> Looks like some sort of press conference
[5:11] <simonlc> your name is somewhat familiar to me
[5:12] <GabrialDestruir> Well that's what a number sites have claimed that it was more or less announced.
[5:12] <SStrife> maybe because you've been on #raspberrypi for the past 96 hours flat :P
[5:12] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, saw some photos of the dragon taken from ISS a while ago which was pretty cool. Right now the ISS cam is showing the berthing arm thingy.
[5:12] <simonlc> ``well I mean before meeting you on irc
[5:12] <SStrife> hehe
[5:13] <mkopack> yeah, there's a press conference on right now...
[5:13] <mkopack> basically talking about the plan for the docking/grapple
[5:13] <SStrife> GabrialDestruir: the very last paragraph of that article, is what makes the most business sense
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[5:14] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/25/2973484/valve-is-developing-steam-for-linux-says-michael-larabel-of-phoronix
[5:14] <simonlc> valve isn't a public company SStrife
[5:15] <SStrife> a company not being public doesn't mean they don't have to make good business decisions
[5:15] <SStrife> it just means that bad ones can be copped on the chin, rather than punished viciously
[5:16] <GabrialDestruir> Yes, but that last one, even if they're converting to linux for the SteamBox, it means it'll be avialable to linux users too.
[5:16] <SStrife> Not necessarily
[5:16] <SStrife> Being on linux doesn't automatically make things open source
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[5:16] <SStrife> It'd be nice if it did
[5:17] <GabrialDestruir> True, but the way the articles make it sound though is they're going at this with the purpose of making steam available for linux.
[5:17] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, seems like he avoided that question about the berthing video being available online (or didn't understand the question). Looks like they might not be live streaming that then?
[5:17] <SStrife> yea, i'm waiting for that link to load up
[5:18] <SStrife> my workplace's free wifi has a pretty aggressive ad filter, sometimes it stops pages from loading
[5:18] <SStrife> ok, loaded
[5:18] <SStrife> hmm
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[5:19] <SStrife> ok interesting
[5:19] <SStrife> i think that's a lot of assumption to make from a 5 word tweet
[5:19] <SStrife> i wont get my hopes up yet,
[5:19] <SStrife> but i'll keep my eyes on it for sure
[5:19] <mkopack> sounds like it's an issue of they have to be over a ground station to get live video down, and the video will be in the IR spectrum, so might not be super good looking for us human
[5:19] <mkopack> s
[5:20] <GabrialDestruir> They went to MacOSX and they have plenty of linux client base proven by the fact there's people running it in Wine and such, so Linux expansion I would think is the next logical step.
[5:20] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1
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[5:20] <GabrialDestruir> That one there is written by the same dude that tweet is from.
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right, the ground station thing.
[5:20] <GabrialDestruir> Oh wait
[5:20] <GabrialDestruir> that's old
[5:20] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[5:21] <SStrife> but that's from 2010
[5:22] <GabrialDestruir> Sorry
[5:22] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln&num=1
[5:22] <GabrialDestruir> here
[5:22] <GabrialDestruir> Larabel talks about his trip to Valve and stuff and Gabe's interest in linux
[5:23] <zgreg> phoronix is a linux site?
[5:23] <zgreg> I thought it's all about beer
[5:24] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[5:24] <SStrife> cool
[5:24] <SStrife> some good stuff in there
[5:26] <GabrialDestruir> Another reason Lego Case Design is awesome.... once I get additional Pi devices, I can just stack them.
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[5:26] <GabrialDestruir> 96 pieces for the first case. 59 for each additional enclosement >.>
[5:27] <SStrife> if that were to happen???.think of the new brand of steam-related nerdrage: "I am never buying a Steam-based product again. I use JACK for my Linux Audio, but Valve only uses ALSA. I refuse to use ALSA because the author once said he liked Star Trek better than Star Wars. If Valve refuses to support JACK then I will refuse to support Valve. "
[5:27] <GabrialDestruir> Perhaps....
[5:27] <SStrife> replace jac/alsa with whatever
[5:28] <GabrialDestruir> Or maybe they'll make their games all encompassing and try to cover as many things as possible?
[5:28] <SStrife> and cost twice as much?
[5:28] <SStrife> there has to be a balance, naturally
[5:29] <GabrialDestruir> Surely there must be a way to code something to work on ALSA or JACK or w/e else exists.
[5:29] <mkopack> shift: I just find it consistently hilarious the difference between SpaceX and NASA - NASA people - all dressed up??? SpaceX - T-shirts :)
[5:29] <DaQatz> !channel
[5:29] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-owners
[5:29] <SStrife> replace ALSA and JACK with OpenGL or Direct3D
[5:29] <mkopack> whoa, do we actually have 3 rooms now?
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[5:29] <SStrife> i really don't know how different they are
[5:30] <GabrialDestruir> Why don't I have a owners invite yet? .-.
[5:30] <mkopack> damn owners is invite only!?!?
[5:30] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, lol yeah I had the same thought. When they showed the Space X I was thinking "wtf... they look like uni students O_o"
[5:30] <mkopack> WTF?
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[5:30] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne: Yup,m and I have to say, I PREFER that!
[5:30] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah 'course
[5:30] <mkopack> it's called "Young, fast, flexible" not "Stodgy stuffy OLD"
[5:30] <mkopack> I often wear T-shirt and shorts to work???
[5:31] <SStrife> that's pretty presumptuous
[5:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Looks like a proper engineering environment =)
[5:31] <mkopack> I work 800 miles away from my boss in an R&D office of 7 people. We NEVER have customers at our site. WTF do IO need to dress up for?
[5:31] <SStrife> that's not a fast/flexible vs stuffy/old thing though
[5:31] <SStrife> that's just practical ;)
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[5:32] <ShiftPlusOne> and being impractical is stuffy and old >.>
[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> If you never interface with customers, there's no reason you should have to wear a stuff annoying shirt
[5:32] <SStrife> i dont think NASA techs in labs are wearing suits and ties
[5:32] <mkopack> I just find that companies require dress clothes for no damn good reason??? It just makes it more expensive to go to work
[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> vs a T-shirt
[5:32] <mkopack> how I dress has NOTHING to do with HOW I work
[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> Exactly.
[5:33] <SStrife> I'd wear a suit and tie if I knew I was being watched.
[5:33] <mkopack> I can get a lot more done when I'm comfortable and not dealing with having to pick up dry cleaning every week
[5:33] <SStrife> at least a tie, weather permitting
[5:33] <GabrialDestruir> But for some reason there's a belief that if you're all dressed up properly you'll work better.
[5:33] <mkopack> the ONLY thing that sucks about not dressing up for work is that I don't attact the hotties when I'm out at lunch or after work because I'm not dressed up so I don't look like I have money
[5:34] <SStrife> I think that idea is comparatively rare in workplaces these days
[5:34] <GabrialDestruir> I'd dress up if it were comfortable.
[5:34] <GabrialDestruir> But usually wearing any sort of dressed up clothing is just annoying.
[5:35] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne: Also, did you see Elan Musk's twitter overnight where he said that Obama called and he almost didn't answer it because caller ID was blocked and he thought it was a telemarketer
[5:35] <mkopack> LOL
[5:35] <SStrife> I work in an office, the only rule is collared shirts and no blue-jeans M-Th
[5:35] <mkopack> Shit, I LIVE in polos and jeans
[5:35] <mkopack> and sneakers
[5:35] <SStrife> Friday, t-shirts and jeans, but nothing offensive
[5:35] <mkopack> I RARELY wear dress shirts.
[5:35] <SStrife> polos are fine
[5:35] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, nuh I didn't see that. ANd language >=/
[5:35] <mkopack> and when I ride the motorcycle it's ALWAYS T-shorts because it's just Too hot to wear anything more than that
[5:36] <SStrife> we usually have one or more people from the client
[5:36] <mkopack> sorry, forgot
[5:36] <SStrife> we can even wear black jeans M-Th
[5:36] <SStrife> just not blue jeans
[5:36] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how long it'll be until we have gravity in space.
[5:36] <SStrife> nobody even knows why
[5:37] <SStrife> ITS CRAZY
[5:37] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir: no reason to do it yet??? there's only 2 known ways - spin, or constant thrust??? both are $$$$$
[5:37] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, O_O squid!
[5:37] <SStrife> mkopack: magnets. :-P~~~
[5:37] <mkopack> Shift: Nah, I wear a jacket and gloves, full face helmet, boots??? Jeans.
[5:37] <mkopack> I just can't deal with leather pants
[5:37] <mkopack> too hot in Atlanta summer
[5:37] <GabrialDestruir> Creating gravity in space would mean we could leave our astronauts in the space station longer.
[5:38] <ShiftPlusOne> oh right... leather is mostly for tracks, it's a bit too much for normal riding.
[5:38] <mkopack> I need to get the zipper on my jacket fixed/replaced. It started having issues with 1 of the teeth popping out of alignment and so now it's just never right.
[5:38] <mkopack> SStrife: I KNOW you're joking
[5:38] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir: Defeats the purpose on the ISS - the whole point is to do microgravity research on materials and on the body
[5:38] <SStrife> how could I not be :P
[5:39] <mkopack> SStrife: You'd be surprised how many idiots seriously think that's the answer.
[5:39] <GabrialDestruir> Which is why we need variable gravity.
[5:39] <SStrife> I'm heading down to the airport tomorrow, try to get a glimpse of the new 787
[5:39] <mkopack> only way to do gravity on ISS would be to have a spinning wheel section, and that'd cost a LOT to build at this point
[5:39] <SStrife> mkopack: Sadly, i'm no longer surprised about this.
[5:40] <GabrialDestruir> People who are busy under "body experiments" never leave low/no gravity areas.
[5:40] <GabrialDestruir> Otherwise they'd have living quarters and the such in a gravity zone.
[5:40] <netman87> hmm, how easily i can control step'n'servo motors with RPi?
[5:41] <mkopack> netman: signaling is doable, but you really want to run the power for the motors through a motor controller. Just have the GPIO on the RPi provide the signaling /commanding to the motor controller to tell it which direction and how fast to drive the motors
[5:41] <mkopack> the RPI's pins are VERY low power??? low current, 3.3V so not a lot there for driving a motor
[5:42] <GabrialDestruir> Yes but by creating a method to have gravity in space would allow for the commercial advancement of space stations.... and the ultimate end goal of livable space apartments >.>
[5:42] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir: Suggest it to Biggello aerospace??? chances are that after 2020, they'll be the only ones with space stations??? commercial ones??? Once ISS is defunct
[5:43] <GabrialDestruir> It's about time space became commercialized.
[5:43] <GabrialDestruir> Should of done it years ago.
[5:43] <mkopack> really annoys the piss out of me that it took us so long to finally design, build and launch the ISS and they're only going to run it until 2020
[5:43] <mkopack> agreed
[5:44] <mkopack> Let nasa worry about the far out there stuff and exploring, leave commercial to do all the stuff that has commercial viability??? As nasa checks out asteroids, and then moves out farther, let the commercial guys go start mining the asteroids
[5:44] <GabrialDestruir> The only reason they're commercializing it now though is because their funds got cut off.
[5:45] <SStrife> i don't like the idea of space exploration for profit...
[5:45] <GabrialDestruir> space exploration shouldn't be...
[5:45] <mkopack> It's not exploration for proit
[5:45] <GabrialDestruir> But space expansion should be
[5:45] <mkopack> profit
[5:45] <mkopack> NASA explores. companies exploit afterwards
[5:46] <SStrife> ah right
[5:46] <SStrife> i was going to "suggest" pretty much exactly that
[5:46] <SStrife> derp
[5:46] <GabrialDestruir> I'm just waiting for them to finally allow people to keep crap from space.... like I somehow legally get my hands on a lunar rock?
[5:46] <GabrialDestruir> It's mine
[5:46] <GabrialDestruir> not NASA's
[5:47] <mkopack> NASA goes to the moon, checks some stuff out, if they find something useful/awesome, commercial comes in behind and establishes a base, and exploits said resource, meanwhile nasa moves on to going to Mars
[5:47] <GabrialDestruir> I see a major problem with that though
[5:47] <mkopack> commercial won't go unless there's a financial benefit for them to do so
[5:47] <GabrialDestruir> we'll do the same thing to the moon/mars wherever
[5:47] <GabrialDestruir> that we do to our planet
[5:47] <GabrialDestruir> consume consume consume
[5:47] <mkopack> Yeah, well, that's a different issue/discussion
[5:48] <GabrialDestruir> Leave nothing left for future generations.
[5:48] <mkopack> but that's why we NEED to go, get the resources??? augment what we have here
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[5:48] <GabrialDestruir> True, mine other planets or w/e
[5:48] <SStrife> if there are even useful resources out there
[5:48] <GabrialDestruir> so we're not destroying our own
[5:48] <GabrialDestruir> There are.
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Clearly we are doing the future generations a favour. Since nobody is interested in space exploration, we'll FORCE them into it =D
[5:49] <SStrife> resources that are worth going into space?
[5:49] <mkopack> SStrife: oh, there are??? They're saying that just 1 of these near earth asteroids might contain more Titanium than all the titanium mined on earth EVER
[5:49] <SStrife> oh? interesting
[5:49] <SpeedEvil> Titanium is not remotely rare.
[5:50] <GabrialDestruir> Helium3 on the moon
[5:50] <SStrife> i've only heard of asteroid that contain boring old moon-like "rock"
[5:50] <SStrife> moon-like in that it's not particularly useful
[5:50] <SpeedEvil> SStrife: There are different sorts.
[5:50] <SStrife> not that it's super shiny
[5:50] <SpeedEvil> Metal-rich, and baked-to-fuck rock.
[5:50] <mkopack> true, but titanium is EXPENSIVe to mine in large quantities
[5:50] <SpeedEvil> Moon rock is so baked there is almost no 'volatiles' in there.
[5:50] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought helium-3 hasn't been proven to be viable in the real world
[5:51] <mkopack> or, palladium, or WTF is in catalytic converters...
[5:51] <SpeedEvil> Where volatiles include stuff like sulfur and nitrogen and calcium
[5:51] <SStrife> ok
[5:51] <SStrife> makes sense
[5:52] <SpeedEvil> In addition, I note that NASA has been instrumental in keeping the cost of space-launch high since 1960.
[5:52] <mkopack> and if the water on the poles of the moon actually definitively checks out, NASA will want to establish bases there to use that as launching location for going farther out. That means they'll need cargo + personnel resupply??? and that means commercial viability
[5:52] <SpeedEvil> And making no significant efforts to reduce it.
[5:52] <SStrife> ideally we just need to find an oil planet
[5:52] <SpeedEvil> NASA is not a space organisation.
[5:52] <SpeedEvil> It's an aerospace welfare organisation.
[5:52] <mkopack> Speed: Yeah??? well, that's partially thanks to CONGRESS???
[5:53] <GabrialDestruir> There's been no real reason to cut costs.
[5:53] <mkopack> Congress + Gov purcurment rules make EVERYTHYING expensive and take forever
[5:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Looks like America isn't all that interested in the moon.
[5:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Might be Europe, Russia and China establishing the bases.
[5:53] <GabrialDestruir> But there has been talk of the possibility of magrail launch pads
[5:53] <mkopack> SpeedEvil: Plus Congress uses NASA as a damn jobs program - "I'll only vote for this if you build XYZ part in my district"
[5:53] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: That's largely irrelevant.
[5:54] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: Rockets can easily get to $500/kg or so launch costs.
[5:54] <mkopack> VERY different than SpaceX who takes metal in 1 end of the factory and rocket roles out the other end. They do nearly everything in house
[5:54] <GabrialDestruir> Magrail assisted launches would significantly cut the cost though.
[5:54] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: without really trying hard.
[5:54] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: $20/kg is possible with reusable vehicles.
[5:54] <SStrife> I always wondered what it would be like if the entire government was just the two houses
[5:54] <SStrife> everything outside that was sub-contracted
[5:55] <SpeedEvil> - which spaceX are working on.
[5:55] <mkopack> Reusability is a double edged sword though...
[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, in terms of failures or what?
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[5:56] <SStrife> simplicity
[5:56] <GabrialDestruir> In terms of advancement it could be.
[5:56] <mkopack> If it's reusable, you typically have to build it to higher standards, and there's the cost of performing refurbing after each flight (which is why shuttle NEVER lived up to it's cost expectations)??? And you only build a couple of them, which means you don't get any sort of economy of scale in production
[5:56] <GabrialDestruir> Why go for something newer and better and possibly more cost efficient if we already have said reusable method.
[5:56] <SStrife> what's more simple than a huge cylinder of solid fuel with a nozzle on the end :P
[5:57] <SpeedEvil> http://img.ly/i5JQ
[5:57] <mkopack> IF I build 100 of something, I'm going to get discounts and chances to improve design between the first and the 100th, vs build 5 and have to pay a lot because I'm not buying in bulk
[5:57] <SpeedEvil> - spacex's hopper.
[5:57] <SpeedEvil> http://www.spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php
[5:57] <SpeedEvil> This attaches to the first stage of the falcon rocket, to enable it to land.
[5:58] <mkopack> SpeedEvil: YEs, BUT, it requires a 20% reduction in cargo capacity to provide the extra fuel to perform the landing.
[5:58] <SpeedEvil> They are not talking about doing significant mods to the design the way they're doing it.
[5:58] <mkopack> (read that somewhere in the last week)
[5:58] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Well - yes.
[5:59] <SStrife> ???and carrying a buttload of presumably volatile fuel through re-entry
[5:59] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: But if you can even reuse the rockets 10 times - fuel is not a cost - that slashes your launch costs.
[5:59] <mkopack> So, I'm a big believer in - semi-reusable??? or rather - limited reuses??? certify for 5 uses per??? Then you toss it (at least the shell, but maybe reuse the internal systems or something like that)
[5:59] <SpeedEvil> SStrife: It's a benign reentry at low speeds for all but the last stage
[5:59] <SStrife> ok
[6:00] <tehtros> mkopack, I agree with that.
[6:00] <GabrialDestruir> Build Anit-Grav
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[6:00] <GabrialDestruir> Anti-Grav*
[6:00] <GabrialDestruir> You could just float down.
[6:00] <mkopack> and yeah, I don't see how the HECK there's enough fuel onboard dragon, especially after doing orbital maneuvering, de-orbit burns and such, to do a powered controlled landing without using chutes or something to slow down??? Pretty dang suicidal otherwise
[6:00] <GabrialDestruir> no need for excessive speeds in or out of the atmosphere
[6:00] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: Parachutes also cost.
[6:00] <SpeedEvil> mkopack:
[6:01] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: In several ways - they add complexity, shock loading, nasty deployment modes, ...
[6:01] <GabrialDestruir> If you have anti-grav propulsion or w/e you don't need parachutes :p
[6:01] <tehtros> <GabrialDestruir> Anti-Grav* I actually had a discussion about this before with my professor...
[6:01] <tehtros> What would be easier?
[6:01] <mkopack> yeah, both $ and weight??? but if it gets you down from several hundred MPH to < 50, then you don't need as much thruster power+fuel to do the final landing
[6:01] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: The dragon is comparatively light when mostly empty.
[6:01] <mkopack> trying to go from 200+ --> 0 is a LOT of fuel burned
[6:02] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Its ballistic velocity low in the atmosphere is not high.
[6:02] <mkopack> Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see
[6:02] <mkopack> by all means, I HOPE they CAN do it!
[6:02] <GabrialDestruir> If you could design configurable anti-gravity propulsion, you could "cancel" gravity to launch upwards
[6:02] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: If you have the system there anyway - as it's a doubling as the launch escape system - it's 'free'. Adding parachutes wouldn't be.
[6:02] <mkopack> I just question its' feasibility given how many designs have tried to do vertical powered decent over the last 20 years
[6:03] <tehtros> What do you think would be the easier anti-grav solution? Figuring out how to simply counteract the gravity, to just apply my upward focre greater than the original force of gravity? Or to find a way to actually BLOCK the gravity. Stop the original forces themselves?
[6:03] <SpeedEvil> tehtros: Use angels.
[6:03] <mkopack> It's also their on-orbit thrusters/control + de-orbit burn thrusters
[6:03] <SpeedEvil> tehtros: Angels, tied to the craft with cheese-strings.
[6:03] <mkopack> better have a LOT of fuel on board to do all that
[6:03] <tehtros> MEh.
[6:03] <tehtros> Not feasibly...
[6:03] <tehtros> failspell
[6:03] <tehtros> Anyways, they are ussally VERY tempermental...
[6:04] <SStrife> Re-entry is one thing the space shuttle had nailed down.
[6:04] <tehtros> And they don't typically react well to strings ties around them
[6:04] <GabrialDestruir> Find a way to counteract gravity and stop the original forces
[6:04] <tehtros> "<SStrife> Re-entry is one thing the space shuttle had nailed down." Well, for the most part.
[6:04] <SpeedEvil> SStrife: yes - so well that it fell apart once.
[6:04] <tehtros> ^^
[6:04] <SpeedEvil> Capsule reentries are _much_ simpler.
[6:05] <SStrife> true too
[6:05] <SStrife> but how many space shuttle re-entries were performed successfully?
[6:05] <SStrife> and the system is simple, you dont need any fuel to do it
[6:05] <mkopack> SStrife: cough, columbia, cough
[6:05] <mkopack> All but 2
[6:05] <tehtros> :P
[6:05] <mkopack> out of, what, 140? 150?
[6:05] <tehtros> So, arounf 133?
[6:05] <SpeedEvil> The space shuttle landing had a couple of near misses.
[6:05] <tehtros> Nope.
[6:06] <mkopack> yeah.
[6:06] <tehtros> The last missions was STS-135
[6:06] <tehtros> mission*
[6:06] <SpeedEvil> I recall one _really_ hard landing - STS2?
[6:06] <mkopack> but then, most of those issue were due to the dang foam falling off and breaking tiles
[6:06] <tehtros> So?
[6:06] <SpeedEvil> If the gear had folded (and it was on the edge) they are dead.
[6:06] <tehtros> They still were VERY leathal accidents.
[6:06] <mkopack> there was one discovery flight where the tiles on the wing control surfaces (ailerons) failed and a hole burned clean through
[6:07] <tehtros> Actually, I heard that it was NOT the rapid de-pressureisation of the shuttle that caused death, but rather the impact with the water...
[6:07] <tehtros> Which means they were alive. All up until they impacted. Suffereing. It's tragic...
[6:07] <GabrialDestruir> Whatever is stopping me from installing rails apparently had nothing to do with space.
[6:07] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[6:08] <tehtros> Spaaaaaaaccccceeeeeeeeeee.
[6:08] <SStrife> of 135 missions flown, there were two failures
[6:08] <SStrife> during re-entry
[6:08] <tehtros> Exactly.
[6:08] <SStrife> and they were both caused by structural failures, right
[6:08] <SStrife> ?
[6:08] <tehtros> <tehtros> So, arounf 133?
[6:09] <tehtros> I believe so.
[6:09] <mkopack> 1 during reentry, 1 during launch
[6:09] <tehtros> Yes.
[6:09] <SStrife> ok
[6:09] <tehtros> The one during launch is SUPER depressing...
[6:09] <tehtros> <tehtros> Actually, I heard that it was NOT the rapid de-pressureisation of the shuttle that caused death, but rather the impact with the water...
[6:09] <tehtros> <tehtros> Which means they were alive. All up until they impacted. Suffereing. It's tragic...
[6:10] <tehtros> Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Wanna hear a joke?
[6:10] <GabrialDestruir> Which means... anti-grav is safer as long as you can make it dependable >.>
[6:10] <SStrife> if it's real
[6:10] <tehtros> What space shuttles do you NOT want to fly on?
[6:11] <tehtros> The ones that start with the letter, "C". *ba dum tiss*
[6:11] <SStrife> i was going to say the Russian ones
[6:11] <SpeedEvil> I would be quite happy to go up on the next Dragon.
[6:11] <ShiftPlusOne> what's wrong with the russian ones?
[6:11] <tehtros> Russian Space Shuttles?
[6:12] <SStrife> they lost a lot more than 2
[6:12] <SStrife> afaik
[6:12] <tehtros> I thought they stills used rockets...
[6:12] <tehtros> They just strap the humans on top.
[6:12] <mkopack> Why? Buran had a PERFECT flight record???.
[6:12] <mkopack> 1 for 1!
[6:13] <SStrife> hm, i must have been thinking of something else
[6:13] <SStrife> haha, one of them was destroyed because the warehouse collapsed on it
[6:13] <SStrife> soviet workmanship
[6:13] <mkopack> I think that was after they USSR collapsed and they were mothballed in a warehouse
[6:15] <GabrialDestruir> Trying to get a strace that might show why apt-get is dying while I'm trying to install things for rails.
[6:15] <SStrife> that happened in 2002
[6:15] <mkopack> yeah, they only flew the Soviet Shuttle 1 time??? unmanned test flight. 2 orbits. Back in like 91
[6:16] <tehtros> But wait.
[6:16] <tehtros> Were they ACTUALLY shuttles? Or just rockets with tiny little holes to stuff people into?
[6:16] <SStrife> capitalist pigdog not pay maintenance bill, warehouse collapse, is not our problem
[6:16] <SStrife> :P
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[6:17] <SStrife> you need to imagine that in a deep voice with a russian accent
[6:18] <tehtros> Hey, you wanna know what I say to a REALLY technologically devanced person, when they ask me about problems they are having?
[6:18] <SpeedEvil> Pigdog was vietnamese.
[6:18] <SpeedEvil> IIRC
[6:18] <ShiftPlusOne> any idea what the reliability of soyuz is compared to the shuttle?
[6:19] <GabrialDestruir> I think it's getting caught up in some sort of loop
[6:19] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[6:21] <GabrialDestruir> Getting a bunch of waits and pselects with the ocassional other bit of info.... yet it doesn't seem to have crashed yet.
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[6:23] <simonlc> SStrife: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6511&p=83593#p83593
[6:23] <ShiftPlusOne> space shuttle: one fatality for every 56 people taken to orbit. Soyuz: one for every 63.
[6:24] <SStrife> how many soyuz flights though?
[6:24] <SStrife> more than 135 obviously
[6:25] <SStrife> simonlc: good stuff
[6:25] <SStrife> someone else posted their guide in the Raspbian forum
[6:25] <simonlc> well I have the configs
[6:25] <simonlc> :D
[6:25] <SStrife> yeah
[6:25] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently the pi hasn't been crashing, just the processing it was trying to do to install rails has been causing it to freeze.
[6:25] <SStrife> theirs doesnt ;D
[6:25] <GabrialDestruir> Not enough juice.
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[6:27] <GabrialDestruir> Oh nope. There it is. crashed.
[6:27] <SStrife> simonlc: I'd mention this, maybe: usermod -a -G video [username]
[6:27] <SStrife> allows you to run quake as a non-root user
[6:28] <SStrife> although personally I do all my tinkering as root anyway
[6:29] <SStrife> it's not a critical system, if I fluff it up, just re-image my SD card
[6:31] <simonlc> ah right forgot about that thanks
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[6:37] <GabrialDestruir> Is it weird that I'm now deterimined to get rails on my Raspbmc distro just because it wouldn't install easily?
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[6:38] <neofutur> hi all, the raspberry pi need 5 volts, but the Solar/AC Powered Rechargeable i can find all deliver 4.5 or 5.5 volt
[6:39] <neofutur> example http://www.dealextreme.com/p/solar-ac-powered-rechargeable-2600mah-portable-power-pack-with-charging-adapters-blue-73475?item=52
[6:39] <neofutur> delivering 4.5 or 5.5 volts could work ? could dammage the pi ?
[6:39] <SStrife> i think it's rated to 6v?
[6:39] <SpeedEvil> 5.5 is fine
[6:39] <SpeedEvil> However.
[6:40] <SStrife> but if you go too high, you wont kill it, the polyfuse will pop, but you just let it cool down and you're fine.
[6:40] <SpeedEvil> I note that battery capacity is often _very_ misstated.
[6:40] <GabrialDestruir> 5.5 should be fine. But my understanding is that a small Solar Panel won't keep it powered up though.
[6:40] <SpeedEvil> The solar panel on that is a joke
[6:40] <SpeedEvil> It claims 0.7W
[6:41] <neofutur> great ;) the only one i found with 5V delivered only 500 mA
[6:41] <SpeedEvil> Dimensions are 4*2.5", of which perhaps 70% is solar cell.
[6:42] <neofutur> SpeedEvil: find me something better ;)
[6:42] <SpeedEvil> Actually - no - that's about ballpark
[6:42] <SStrife> is says on the box
[6:42] <SStrife> "suits iPAQ"
[6:42] <SpeedEvil> hah
[6:42] <SStrife> who has an iPaq in this decade?
[6:42] <SpeedEvil> I have one somewhere
[6:42] <GabrialDestruir> Wait...
[6:42] <SStrife> i have about 3 from when they were all the rage
[6:42] <neofutur> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/solar-ac-powered-rechargeable-2600mah-portable-power-pack-with-charging-adapters-blue-73475?item=52 is better ?
[6:42] <GabrialDestruir> iPaq is real?
[6:43] <SpeedEvil> yes
[6:43] <SStrife> It was Compaq iPaq
[6:43] <SStrife> then HP iPaq
[6:43] <SStrife> a PocketPC/Windows Mobile PDA
[6:43] <GabrialDestruir> It sounds like a rip off iPad or a misspelling of iPad
[6:43] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: Ipad ripped off the name
[6:43] <GabrialDestruir> and apparently they can range from anywhere between 200 dollars...
[6:43] <GabrialDestruir> to 1,000,000
[6:43] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[6:44] <Ben64> apple rips off every name
[6:44] <SpeedEvil> Also note that the capacities on the above are typically _very_ overstated
[6:44] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.discountofficeitems.com/technology/office-machines-electronics/hand-held-organizers-accessories/pdas-electronic-organizers/ipaq-classic-handheld/p60720.html?source=adwords&utm_source=rkg&utm_medium=none&utm_campaign=non-brand&ref=adwords&gclid=CJmBm_zPmrACFaEJRQodKl_fXA
[6:44] <SpeedEvil> I got one with recycled laptop cells!
[6:44] <SStrife> http://www.swotti.com/tmp/swotti/cacheADIYMTU=VGVJAG5VBG9NES1QREFZ/imgh22154.jpg
[6:45] <SStrife> this was around the time that Intel sold off Xscale
[6:45] <SStrife> hahaha $9999.99
[6:45] <netman87> where is my 9999.99 USD?
[6:45] <GabrialDestruir> Google said it was a million
[6:45] <GabrialDestruir> must be on sale
[6:45] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[6:46] <SStrife> I had two HP ones, and a Toshiba one
[6:46] <SStrife> the Toshiba one has a CompactFlash slot AND MMC/SD WHOA!!
[6:46] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder who would win if the iPaq became popular again....
[6:47] <GabrialDestruir> cause you know Apple would sue the crap out of them.
[6:47] <neofutur> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/solar-powered-self-recharging-usb-battery-with-cell-phone-adapters-4813?item=34
[6:47] <SStrife> i'm pretty sure Newton predated iPaq
[6:47] <neofutur> much more expensivee, but probably much better
[6:47] <SStrife> I have a Newton, it's funky
[6:48] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently my Pi only crashes if I try to do big installs all at once
[6:48] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[6:51] <ShiftPlusOne> are you running ancient firmware?
[6:52] <GabrialDestruir> Raspbmc
[6:52] <SStrife> run "service stop vcfiled && rpi-update"
[6:52] <SStrife> wait
[6:52] <SStrife> raspbmc
[6:52] <SStrife> get hexxeh's script
[6:53] <GabrialDestruir> which does? >.>
[6:53] <SStrife> http://hexxeh.net/?p=328117855
[6:53] <SStrife> it gets the latest GPU blobs from github
[6:54] <SStrife> it updates some files in /boot
[6:54] <GabrialDestruir> So it just replaces them and reboots?
[6:54] <SStrife> it downloads the latest ones, then yeah, replace+reboot
[6:54] <GabrialDestruir> I'll try it out after I finish installing rails if I can .-.
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[6:56] <GabrialDestruir> what's the memory split about?
[6:57] <SStrife> system RAM/video RAM
[6:57] <tehtros> Hey, so, I REALLY wanna get a R-Pi. In fact, I wanted one ever since I found them, about a month before they released. Anyways, do you guys prefer one of the retailers over the other? (I live in the US)
[6:57] <GabrialDestruir> Anyway I can tell what the default is for raspbmc?
[6:57] <SStrife> cat /proc/meminfo
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[6:57] <GabrialDestruir> kk thanks
[6:58] <SStrife> look at total memory
[7:00] <GabrialDestruir> 126526 or something like that
[7:00] <SStrife> hm
[7:00] <SStrife> so thats probably the 128/128 split
[7:00] <GabrialDestruir> Yea that's what I was thinking.
[7:02] <GabrialDestruir> Oh wow.... this method of installing ruby and Rails takes 3 hours worth of compile.
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[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> Oh
[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> Oh that would make so much sense .-.
[7:07] <GabrialDestruir> If the reason it's failing the big install is because it doesn't have enough memory the whole system would just stop right?
[7:07] <SStrife> might do!
[7:07] <SStrife> it might become unresponsive, trying to swap to the slow SD card
[7:08] <SStrife> or wherever your swap space is
[7:08] <simonlc> I think I'm going to set a record with most threads created with no replies
[7:08] <msk_lab> I think it's trying to tell you to stay away from ruby and rails /lighttroll
[7:08] <GabrialDestruir> Probably xD
[7:09] <SStrife> i wish dd had some sort of status display
[7:09] <GabrialDestruir> Like a "NOOO I'll do whatever you want! Just not that anything but that!"
[7:09] <msk_lab> indeed
[7:10] <GabrialDestruir> I'm running strace to try and find out where it's crashing... and I've got it following all forks
[7:10] <GabrialDestruir> and it's refusing to crash.
[7:10] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[7:11] <GabrialDestruir> Isn't that always the way though.... when you want something to fail, it never does.
[7:11] <GabrialDestruir> But when you don't want it to it's like "HA! What now?!?!?"
[7:11] <msk_lab> yes the notorious demo effect
[7:11] <msk_lab> "I swear it ran just 5 minutes ago"
[7:13] <GabrialDestruir> That's like with my internet too.... whenever I'd call in to complain, it'd miraculously work better than it was.
[7:14] <GabrialDestruir> But the minute I hung up it'd turn to crap again.
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[7:16] <GabrialDestruir> Ruby seems ridiculously easy o.o
[7:16] <msk_lab> :3
[7:17] <msk_lab> is it a bad sign if I just wrote the comment //HOW DOES THIS EVEN WORK
[7:17] <GabrialDestruir> Yes
[7:17] <GabrialDestruir> you should know how it works
[7:17] <GabrialDestruir> you coded it?
[7:18] <msk_lab> heh yes
[7:18] <msk_lab> some weeks ago
[7:18] <msk_lab> could be simpler
[7:20] <GabrialDestruir> Just
[7:20] <GabrialDestruir> Comment everything as you're coding it.
[7:20] <msk_lab> I am ;P
[7:20] <GabrialDestruir> That way when you go back weeks later you can be like "OH"
[7:21] <GabrialDestruir> Like when I was coding with VB
[7:21] <GabrialDestruir> I got in the habit of commenting every little line
[7:21] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[7:21] <msk_lab> It's just verilog with multiple counters and state decisions and optimizations going on
[7:22] <haltdef> microwaved my milk for my coffee and it went .. solid
[7:22] <haltdef> :|
[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> Sheesh with how long it's taking to install ruby/rails I might as well have just compiled it xD
[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> Wait...
[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> what?
[7:22] <mpthompson> I've been coding for 25 years now. The best habit I ever picked up was commenting every line of code. Basically a running natitive of my thought processes as I wrote the code.
[7:22] <msk_lab> haltdef: sounds like the milk wasn't that drinkable in the first place :3
[7:23] <haltdef> not so much
[7:23] <mpthompson> natitive = narative
[7:23] <GabrialDestruir> Ah crap...
[7:23] <GabrialDestruir> the ruby/rails I just installed? old versions xD
[7:23] <haltdef> smells fine but on closer inspection it's lumpy in the bottle
[7:24] <mpthompson> Saved the poor sucker who had to look at the code 6 months later from wondering what I was up to. Usually that poor sucker was me. :-)
[7:24] <GabrialDestruir> Ruined cup of coffee.
[7:24] <haltdef> the coffee is safe, I microwave milk separately
[7:24] <GabrialDestruir> I don't write my thought process...
[7:24] <GabrialDestruir> So much as write what the code does specifically.
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> Cause if I write my thought process I'm liable to forget...
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> even with the reminders
[7:25] <neofutur> i think i found the small lcd i want for my pi
[7:25] <neofutur> could anyone confirm it should work with the pi and the RCA adapter ?
[7:25] <neofutur> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/pl8006-portable-8-color-lcd-monitor-tv-w-ypbpr-vga-input-47-870mhz-55245?item=2
[7:26] <mpthompson> I usually write the comments before the code and then tweak the comments as the code takes shape. I've had patents written off the comments -- not that I'm a fan of software patents.
[7:27] <GabrialDestruir> Just had a thought... I wonder what dd would look like if you strace it..... lol
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[7:28] <GabrialDestruir> I probably should of backed up my /boot before I ran this....
[7:30] <mpthompson> neofutur, that monitor looks decent. It looks to use PAL and doesn't mention NTSC. This may or may not be what you want, but I assume the RPi can output both NTSC and PAL composit video.
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[7:31] <GabrialDestruir> Well that sucks....
[7:32] <ShiftPlusOne> tehtros, sign up to both and buy from whichever one gets back to you dirst
[7:32] <ShiftPlusOne> *first
[7:32] <tehtros> Thanks!
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[7:35] <SStrife> did someone say earlier that they were planning to use raspi as a storage server?
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[7:35] <GabrialDestruir> I was thinking about it.
[7:35] <GabrialDestruir> Yea.
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[7:35] <GabrialDestruir> File Server + Media Center + Webserver If I can. lol
[7:35] <SStrife> wouldn't Pi make a crappy storage server?
[7:35] <netman87> what u are going to use as harddrive?
[7:35] <GabrialDestruir> No clue xD
[7:36] <GabrialDestruir> External USB
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[7:36] <GabrialDestruir> we'll just have to see when I get one.
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[7:36] <SStrife> all your storage, plus the network adaptor, are hanging off effectively a single USB port
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[7:36] <GabrialDestruir> True....
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[7:37] <mpthompson> Given that people have been using NSLU2 with an ARM with 32MB of memory, a 100MHz processor and only USB I/O as a storage server, the Pi should work fine.
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[7:37] <netman87> i would love to have raspi with nice'n'fast sata interface :)
[7:37] <haltdef> it'd work but slow
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[7:37] <haltdef> also who uses a single disk these days? :P
[7:37] <GabrialDestruir> I can try, dunno how well it'll work.
[7:37] <netman87> raspi like board*
[7:38] <GabrialDestruir> My issue is I'm wanting to keep it portable.
[7:38] <mpthompson> The Pi won't be the fastest thing out there, but it should work (assuming there are no USB issues hiding out there).
[7:38] <netman87> haltdef: im using single 100GB 2.5"
[7:38] <haltdef> old school
[7:38] <GabrialDestruir> If all my storage is across the network though, that's going to make it hard to access it all later.
[7:38] <haltdef> I got 6MB/s out of nginx on the pandaboard
[7:38] <netman87> i think im gonna change to 120GB SSD 2.5"
[7:38] <haltdef> pi should be similar
[7:39] <GabrialDestruir> That or I have to reset all my settings when I go from network storage to external USB when I'm on the move.
[7:39] <haltdef> same single usb port with the same hub chip with ethernet hanging off it
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[7:40] <kwixson> I can't find any complete walk-through for getting audio to work on the Raspi
[7:41] <kwixson> It can't be /that/ tricky. Any help?
[7:41] <mpthompson> I wonder if it is possible to rig up a SATA drive with an SD card interface. If possible, that would work nice on the Pi as the SD interface is not hanging off the USB port as far as I know.
[7:41] <GabrialDestruir> The issue isn't it's tricky, the issue is it's pretty unstable I think.
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[7:41] <GabrialDestruir> You'd be restricted by the Pi Speeds...
[7:41] <SStrife> kwixson: sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[7:42] <GabrialDestruir> but you could probably rig a microSD adapter
[7:42] <kwixson> SStrife: did that
[7:42] <GabrialDestruir> er not Pi speeds
[7:42] <GabrialDestruir> but SD speeds
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[7:42] <kwixson> and sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss too
[7:42] <kwixson> and sudo amixer cset numid=3 2
[7:43] <SStrife> which app wont give you sound?
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[7:43] <netman87> cat /etc/* > /dev/dsp
[7:43] <kwixson> SStrife: aplay from the console
[7:43] <mpthompson> Well, you would be limited to how fast the SD interface is clocked. That could be better than the USB to SATA.
[7:44] <GabrialDestruir> Indeed.
[7:44] <GabrialDestruir> That'd be an interesting project
[7:44] <GabrialDestruir> SATA to SD conversion cord.
[7:44] <netman87> SD to SATA? :)
[7:44] <GabrialDestruir> either way :p
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[7:46] <netman87> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJab5tDdA3Y
[7:46] <netman87> lol
[7:46] <mpthompson> There are lots of SD to SATA interfaces that make an SDHC card hook to a SATA port for about $20. For the Pi, you want to go the other way around.
[7:46] <GabrialDestruir> SD and SATA go both ways right?
[7:47] <GabrialDestruir> Oh wait, I get what you mean.
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[7:48] <mpthompson> It would be an interesting project. Whomever came up with one could probably sell 20,000 of them fairly soon. I would buy one...
[7:48] <SStrife> wow
[7:49] <SStrife> raspbian booting from a USB HDD
[7:49] <SStrife> SO FAST
[7:49] <mjr> there has been an sd-to-usb-storage product around, but I think they stopped making i
[7:49] <mjr> it
[7:50] <simonlc> what someone needs to make is a power button
[7:50] <SStrife> now I just need to get power sorted.
[7:50] <SStrife> might buy a new hub on the way home today
[7:51] <GabrialDestruir> They probably exist somewhere
[7:51] <GabrialDestruir> SATA to SD
[7:51] <GabrialDestruir> this can't be the first time someones thought of it.
[7:51] <mpthompson> SD micro to USB here: http://www.saelig.com/EL/MIO001.htm
[7:52] <mpthompson> Discountinued though...
[7:53] <GabrialDestruir> The problem is.... finding Sata to SDHC is gonna be hard
[7:53] <GabrialDestruir> because SDHC to Sata is so popular
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[7:54] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder what are the upper limits of SDHC?
[7:54] <mpthompson> Looks like SDHC may be limited to 32GB. That may likely be a limit on how much of a SATA drive it could use.
[7:55] <GabrialDestruir> Eh... still a 32GB SATA could be a lot faster than a 32GB sdhc
[7:55] <GabrialDestruir> Cheaper too I'm guessing xD
[7:55] <mpthompson> There are 64GB SDHC cards though so it should go bigger.
[7:56] <mjr> yes, that's the limit, though it's by fiat; some combinations of hardware and software might go over it nicely. Or not.
[7:56] <mpthompson> I see, it looks like bigger cards are called SDXC. Does the Pi support that?
[7:56] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure.
[7:57] <GabrialDestruir> Probably not. But what determines whether it supports it?
[7:57] <GabrialDestruir> Hardware?
[7:57] <GabrialDestruir> Firmware?
[7:57] <mpthompson> Yeah, google is not helpful because there are so many SATA to SD adapters it hard to find the reverse...
[7:57] <Ben64> probably doesn't exist
[7:57] <mjr> I doubt the reverse exists
[7:58] <mjr> simply not that much demand for it
[7:58] <GabrialDestruir> I have to imagine someones tried it....
[7:58] <GabrialDestruir> it's just buried
[7:58] <GabrialDestruir> I mean I remember when Wii got the "SDHC" upgrade....
[7:58] <GabrialDestruir> It was just a change in software.
[7:58] <Ben64> it would be hard to do and wouldn't be fast
[7:59] <SStrife> weekend time
[7:59] <mpthompson> This could be interesting: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/sd-to-microsd-transflash-card-converter-module-27001
[7:59] <SStrife> Hopefully tomorrow night I'll be able to post pics of the 787
[7:59] <mjr> mpthompson, why?
[7:59] <netman87> ist there GPIO to add SATA?
[8:00] <mjr> I mean, the pi already uses the bigger sd size
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[8:00] <GabrialDestruir> GPIO would probably be slower than SATA to SD
[8:00] <mjr> very very likely
[8:00] <Ben64> just use usb, get almost 40MB/s
[8:00] <mpthompson> Oh, it isn't quite what I thought it was. Nevermind...
[8:01] <GabrialDestruir> We were discussing alternatives to make a PI a possible fileserver.
[8:01] <GabrialDestruir> With USB you'll have speeds halved because ethernet and SD share the same port/thing
[8:02] <Ben64> ethernet is 12.5MB/s
[8:02] <Ben64> so you wouldn't need more than 12.5MB/s on usb hard drive
[8:02] <Ben64> that still leaves you ~15MB/s bandwidth
[8:03] <GabrialDestruir> Ethernet maxes out at 12.5? That sucks .-.
[8:03] <Ben64> 100mbit = 12.5MB
[8:03] <netman87> ofc
[8:03] <netman87> 100/8
[8:03] <Ben64> gbit = 125MB/s but the pi doesn't have it and couldn't support those speeds
[8:03] <GabrialDestruir> Ah right.
[8:06] <mpthompson> There is bus contention issues between ethernet and USB storage over a single USB port which isn't ideal. I doubt you would see 12.5MB/s under actual use. Probably 6 to 8 MB/s.
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[8:06] <mpthompson> Sometimes it's fun just to think about what is possible, not practical. See where the thought process leads...
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[8:07] <GabrialDestruir> need to kill XBMC so ruby/rails compiles faster
[8:07] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[8:09] <GabrialDestruir> Curious, is it possible to kill the connection to the hdmi?
[8:09] <GabrialDestruir> Like a monitor off/sleep type thing?
[8:17] <simonlc> mine seems to do that already
[8:21] <GabrialDestruir> Compiling with this method is odd and confusing .-.
[8:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> Nothing like getting "no symbol version for module_layout" after compiling on-Pi, groan
[8:21] <kwixson> Okay, installed VLC so I could try a decent application for sound and I got sound out of the short .WAV file, but it's broken up
[8:22] <GabrialDestruir> Just use omxplayer
[8:22] <hotwings> is alsa still not fixed on rpi?
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[8:24] <kwixson> hotwings: At least for me it isn't.
[8:25] <hotwings> does it make any sound at all or just silence?
[8:26] <kwixson> hotwings: well, the .WAV sample of darth vader made a little bit of sound, but it was broken up.
[8:26] <kwixson> ...but I just tried an MP3 file and that's playing fine.
[8:26] <kwixson> It's 1:36 into the song and no problems so far
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[8:27] <kwixson> Brits will be pleased to know I'm listening to Mumford & Sons
[8:27] <hotwings> so alsa just cant play wavs then?
[8:28] <kwixson> hotwings: I'll have to try a number of .WAV files to see.
[8:28] <kwixson> Maybe it was just that one.
[8:28] <hotwings> reminds me of a signing problem alsa had a while back
[8:29] <hotwings> i have to say though, im very surprised theres _still_ sound problems
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[8:31] <kwixson> converting the .WAV to .OGG didn't help.
[8:33] <GabrialDestruir> Try converting to mp3
[8:33] <kwixson> GabrialDestruir: Just tried that. Know how I can install the codec?
[8:34] <kwixson> "It seems your FFMPEG (libavcodec) installation lacks the following encoder: MPEG Audio layer 1/2/3."
[8:37] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm.... no clue .-.
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[8:40] <GabrialDestruir> xd
[8:40] <GabrialDestruir> I have no clue why I avoided Ruby so long.
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[8:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: because it's too popular :D
[8:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> Although Ruby is a good thing to know at the moment, the demand for developers outstrips the supply to such a level that companies are getting desperate to hire
[8:44] <GabrialDestruir> It's insanely simple .-.
[8:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> All caps variables treated as constants with no need to define them as such? wheee!
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[8:46] <GabrialDestruir> I'm waiting for ruby/rails to compile on my raspbmc
[8:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> It irks me that there's no isnumeric? on string objects by default
[8:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> That's a looonnngg wait :D I don't want to touch Rails if I can possibly avoid it, I've been using Sinatra
[8:47] <GabrialDestruir> I'm gonna try and run a simple status site which will double if it all works as a "Blog" sort of like your own site.
[8:47] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently it only takes 3 hours.
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[8:47] <GabrialDestruir> So while I'm waiting, I'm busy learning Ruby
[8:47] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[8:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> I presume you're reading Why's Poignant Guide? :D
[8:48] <GabrialDestruir> http://railsforzombies.org
[8:48] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[8:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, you're going for high-level-learning
[8:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> I recommend Ruby Koans
[8:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's a set of Ruby scripts with a fill-in-the-blanks approach to learning that teaches you the very fundamentals, stuff you'll need to know to get the most out of the raw language
[8:49] <GabrialDestruir> It has zombies >.>
[8:49] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[8:49] <GabrialDestruir> well I did tryruby.com too
[8:49] <GabrialDestruir> that was pretty fun
[8:49] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[8:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> currently compiling the kernel on my Pi, I think yours might finish first :D
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[8:53] <GabrialDestruir> Got to remember save
[8:53] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[8:54] <GabrialDestruir> I think Ruby is more intuitive than just about anything else I've used xD
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[8:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ruby takes a vital but controversial step forward by sacrificing performance for accessibility
[8:58] <GabrialDestruir> So it's a performance hog?
[8:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's slow
[8:58] <GabrialDestruir> Oh
[8:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Very slow
[8:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> But that's largely irrelevant in this day and age
[8:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> We have plenty of computers, not so many programmers
[8:58] <GabrialDestruir> It doesn't seem that bad. lol
[8:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Incrementing a number from 1 to 1 million takes ~3+ seconds I believe
[8:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Longer on the Pi
[9:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> I think C is one or two order of magnitudes faster
[9:00] <kwixson> night
[9:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> kwixson: night! tis mornin' for me :D
[9:01] <GabrialDestruir> C doesn't usually work for websites though?
[9:01] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[9:01] <kwixson> Gadgetoid_Air: Then have a good day. :)
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[9:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: truethat, PHP is faster, I'll have to dig up the numbers :D
[9:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> And on that note, to work I go!
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[9:09] <neofutur> i tried to post on the forum, everything sems to work but my post wont appear on the forum
[9:09] <neofutur> is it normal ? there is some kind of cache or moderation ?
[9:11] <neofutur> also i m surprised the forum dont ask for any kin of email verification, i could easily register with someone else email and have him spammed by notifications . . .
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[9:13] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, no idead really, I was moved over from the old forums..
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[9:20] <neofutur> grrr one more phpbb I hate
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[9:23] <neofutur> ok i tried to post 3 times, still not seeing my post
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[9:24] <neofutur> i ll stop loosing my time with this forum
[9:25] <neofutur> and i ll post here for the logs
[9:25] <neofutur> I spent hours searching for a small and cheap LCD screen for my raspberry pi. All the HDMI devices I found are too expensive ( most are more than 150 $ ), the cheapest i found is http://kr1006448292.trustpass.alibaba.com/product/124935070-103346727/Portable_mini_LED_Monitor_EM070.html?edm_src=sys&edm_type=fdbk&edm_grp=88&edm_cta=read_msg&edm_time=realtime&edm_ver=e
[9:25] <neofutur> . The best I found shoud work with RCA adapter, and also provide more features ( TV ) , here is what I found :
[9:25] <neofutur> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/55245 . Can anyone here confirm this should work with the raspberry pi + the RCA adaptor i order with it ? If anyone found better/cheaper , i m interested in a link ;)
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[9:32] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah it will work, but it will be 'meh'
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[9:35] <neofutur> the rca one ? the hdmi one seems very good too ( but more expensive, around 100$ )
[9:35] <neofutur> "meh" why beause it is small ?
[9:35] <neofutur> i just want a small thing to work in bed with ssh, irssi
[9:35] <neofutur> and the RCS one also gives TV ;)
[9:35] <neofutur> RCA
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[9:36] <neofutur> ShiftPlusOne: since i see you re an admin, i m pretty sure the forum have a bug, impossible to post an answer on http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1967
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[9:37] <neofutur> the lines above are the answer i tried to post, wanted to share what i found ( took me hours )
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[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, nuh, 'meh' because it's RCA. I hooked up pi to my tv and it was 'meh'... hard to read text and such.
[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> and nuh I am not a forum admin, just a mod on the channel.
[9:43] <neofutur> if you can forward the bug report fo , or try yourself to post an answer . . .
[9:43] <nid0> if you want a nicer screen (although probably some manual work getting it going properly) you could look at a lilliput um70
[9:44] <neofutur> ok rca will never be a good quality ? or could be good at low resolution
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[9:44] <nid0> thats not much more than the rca one you linked, and is a touchscreen
[9:44] <neofutur> good be bad on a big tv and better on a small led device ?
[9:44] <GabrialDestruir> apparently my ruby/rails compile crashed.
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[9:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> GabrialDestruir: crashed?
[9:46] <GabrialDestruir> I can only assume so.
[9:46] <GabrialDestruir> Ruby was running and both my ssh sessions disconnected
[9:46] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, nuh I don't use the forum and even the forum mods can't do much more than ban people. I am not in touch with anyone who has control over the forum... if I was I'd be complaining about how afwul it is to them until they fixed it.
[9:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Using screen when compiling is a good idea :D
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[9:47] <GabrialDestruir> I have no idea how to get a terminal up on the screen xD
[9:47] <neofutur> thanks nid0 i ll have a look at this lilliput um70
[9:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> GabrialDestruir: No, "screen", GNU screen: apt-get install screen
[9:47] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs
[9:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Then run screen, it'll give you a shell, start compile, then ctrl+a d to detach
[9:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Compile will keep running even if SSH is interrupted
[9:48] <neofutur> ShiftPlusOne: should we setup our own irc forum ? i have my own fork of punbb ( mybestbb ) much better than phpbb3 imo, and I can host it on a dedicated server
[9:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I've just re-attached to my kernel compile, it's linking, whee!
[9:48] <neofutur> i wont do it alone, but if people here ewant it, weill be a pleasure ;)
[9:49] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, nuh, there are already a few unofficial pi forums which are quite good.
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[9:49] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if this method I'm using for compile will completely start over or start where ssh got disconnected .-.
[9:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Why split the Pi community? although there should probably be a "No XBMC allowed" forum :D
[9:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> GabrialDestruir: are you using RVM?
[9:49] <GabrialDestruir> yea
[9:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Not entirely sure what it'll do, but it wont redownload stuff it already has if that's any consolation :D
[9:50] <GabrialDestruir> Nothing wrong with XBMC
[9:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Except the Pi should be rigged with a hypervisor that causes it to spontaneously combust if you try to use it as an HTPC :D
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[9:51] <GabrialDestruir> Hey
[9:51] <GabrialDestruir> My xbmc has been pretty stable tyvm
[9:52] <GabrialDestruir> my xbmc on Pi
[9:52] <GabrialDestruir> as an htpc
[9:52] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[9:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Don't listen to me, I use Apple TVs :D
[9:52] <GabrialDestruir> So how do I use screen then?
[9:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Depends how you want to use it, at the basic level you just type: screen
[9:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Then you carry on doing whatever you might be doing on command-line
[9:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> You can manually disconnect using: ctrl+a then d for detach
[9:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Then you can re-attach with: screen -r
[9:54] <GabrialDestruir> Nope
[9:54] <GabrialDestruir> pretty sure that just crashed me
[9:54] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[9:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> *crashed* you!?
[9:55] <GabrialDestruir> the pi
[9:55] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[9:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> You're big on crashes :D
[9:55] <GabrialDestruir> I knoow!
[9:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Of all the things to crash a Pi, I'd put screen pretty low on the list??? it doesn't do anything remarkable
[9:55] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure what exactly caused it .-.
[9:56] <Gadgetoid_mbp> You could always try another terminal multiplexer
[9:56] <GabrialDestruir> Then again my Pi was crashing during apt-get installs too earlier .-.
[9:56] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But you'd be insane to start any compile that's going to run for more than half an hour without screen
[9:58] <GabrialDestruir> I think it had to do with trying to detatch
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[10:00] <GabrialDestruir> that's never a good sign -sighs-
[10:00] <GabrialDestruir> rvm shows my install as 1.9.3 the latest
[10:01] <GabrialDestruir> but ruby -v shows it as 1.8.7
[10:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Do source ~/.rvm/scripts/rvm or something
[10:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> And try ruby -v again
[10:03] <GabrialDestruir> ohs
[10:03] <GabrialDestruir> right
[10:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Or source /usr/local/rvm/scripts/rvm if you installed with sudo
[10:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It sets up your environment for rvm use
[10:03] <GabrialDestruir> Isn't rails separate from ruby?
[10:04] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Rails is just a gem as far as I know
[10:04] <GabrialDestruir> Ah. okay
[10:04] <Gadgetoid_mbp> So you could gem install rails
[10:04] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Or something to that effect
[10:05] <GabrialDestruir> Then when my Pi crashed apparently I was done compiling? xD
[10:06] <GabrialDestruir> Me thinks this isn't right: /usr/local/rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.3-p194/bin/gem:16:in `<main>': uninitialized constant Gem::Requirement (NameError)
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[10:11] <GabrialDestruir> Okay the damn thing tells me to use rvm reinstall ruby
[10:12] <GabrialDestruir> but then completely ignores "reinstall"
[10:12] <GabrialDestruir> Already installed ruby-1.9.3-p194. To reinstall use: rvm reinstall ruby
[10:13] <neofutur> ShiftPlus if there are good forums, i couldnt find them on google when searching for lcd screen topics ;(
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[10:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> "rvm reinstall ruby-1.9.3" ?
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir> Bah... how annoying... lol
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[10:18] <teh_orph> good moaning
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> hi
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[10:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Morning teh_orph
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[10:24] <teh_orph> another day at the pit today :-(
[10:24] <GabrialDestruir> Hm trying to figure out how to do this bit of code. .-.
[10:24] <GabrialDestruir> If Zombie Id appears more than once in Tweets Database etc .-.
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> I'm off to see a client later this morning for most of the day...
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[10:26] <gordonDrogon> but it's unseasonally hot here...
[10:27] <teh_orph> it's redunculously hot today here in london
[10:27] <teh_orph> but I didn't bring a coat or jumper, so I'm gonna freeze at my desk (air con pointed at me)
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[10:38] <gordonDrogon> I'll be in shorts - fortunately it's that sort of company :)
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> right. shower and go time!
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[10:57] <Hourd> anybody know of any decent events in the UK such as maker faire?
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[11:01] <pjm__> Hourd there was some maker fair but it was up near liverpool
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[11:03] <Hourd> pjm__: i've found some information about the uk maker faire, it seems tiny and very irregular
[11:04] <Hourd> =[
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[11:04] <gordonDrogon> the one in Brighton?
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[11:07] <Hourd> yeah this september?
[11:07] <Hourd> i should be attending that
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> Brighton is a bit far for me. 5 hours drive and longer on the train.
[11:11] <Hourd> yeah it is a bit far... i will be in aberystwyth at the time...
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[11:12] <astran> hi everybody
[11:13] <astran> Do you know if there is also a french language irc channel ?
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[11:18] <normod> !channels
[11:18] <Hourd> normod: on freenode? o.O
[11:19] <normod> didn't someone trigger the PiBot to say something about channels a while ago?
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[11:23] <GabrialDestruir> ruby is starting to give me a headache .-.
[11:23] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[11:29] <wjt> teh_orph: hey, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6488 is nifty (though I haven't tried it yet)
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[11:29] <teh_orph> cheers :)
[11:29] <wjt> teh_orph: have you considered making a repository on github as a way to publish these experiments?
[11:29] <teh_orph> I think shirro has done this (later in the thread)
[11:29] <wjt> so he has
[11:29] <Veryevil> teh_orph: whats next?
[11:30] <shirro> sorry, I got rid of the c++
[11:30] <teh_orph> got rid of lots of X acceleration bugs last night
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[11:30] <teh_orph> girlfriend, totally ignored
[11:30] <wjt> teh_orph: does your exa stuff live on the forum/in github/just on your hard disk? :)
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[11:30] <teh_orph> several different hard disks :)
[11:31] <GabrialDestruir> I take it back, Ruby isn't intuitive anymore blah.
[11:31] <teh_orph> I use NFS root for my pi and someone it took out my RAID array! I was bricking it
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[11:31] <shirro> why can't XGetImage return the right format. I don't understand the stupid thing. Isn't what the masks things is for?
[11:32] <teh_orph> I found that a really tricky function to work with
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[11:32] <teh_orph> I think it returns the native format of the window
[11:32] <teh_orph> no conversion
[11:32] <Veryevil> Can Friggle not help?
[11:32] <shirro> Why is the native format even 32bit?
[11:33] <teh_orph> which native format? 3D or X?
[11:33] <teh_orph> X gives you back a 16bpp pointer from XGetImage (as the server is running in 16 bit mode)
[11:33] <wjt> shirro, teh_orph: so ultimately i was plotting to implement DRI using egl_brcm_global_image which would remove the need for XPutImage
[11:34] <teh_orph> are there docs for these functions?
[11:34] <teh_orph> I found them really hard to work with
[11:35] <shirro> teh_orph: oh, sorry I was confused. So it is just the colours are in the wrong order - should actually read that bit of the code
[11:35] <teh_orph> I think the order is correct, it's just that they're at different bit depths
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> So this 16bpp stuff - is that all the Pi can do?
[11:35] <wjt> teh_orph: Dom sent me some example code???I'll publish my GLES2 derivative of it
[11:35] <teh_orph> no
[11:35] <shirro> I shall read it before commenting further I think
[11:35] <teh_orph> I was debugging the 32-bit mode last night
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> ok
[11:36] <teh_orph> it runs fine in 32-bit...but it never writes the alpha channel
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> just wondering if that is what is causing some of my issues with the framebuffer/SDL stuff.
[11:36] <teh_orph> so the dispman stuff reckons the whole display is invisible!
[11:36] * gordonDrogon nods. don't need the alpha channel.
[11:37] <shirro> So how hard would it to direct the window rendering offscreen using XComposite then convert the X stuff to textures and composite with Open GL ES?
[11:37] <teh_orph> no idea
[11:37] <wjt> shirro: that's what i was working on
[11:37] <teh_orph> yeah, he's on that :)
[11:37] <wjt> shirro: step one: implement X pixmaps backed by egl_brcm_global_image
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> does anyone know if the GPU can blit data to the screen memory faster than the arm can?
[11:37] <teh_orph> oh it's much faster
[11:37] <shirro> Or to ask something simpler - is there a pixmap to texture routine people have working?
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> ok
[11:37] <teh_orph> this is why I'm using DMA for blit
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[11:38] <teh_orph> the ARM can't issue load/store fast enough
[11:38] <wjt> shirro: hmm, i was just rendering to textures backed by global images, rather than rendering to a pixmap and copying to a texture
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> odd - I'd have thought the arm could drive the memory at full speed, but I guess not..
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> no point having cache on the arm then?
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[11:39] <teh_orph> all the previous (higher-end) ARM cores I've worked with can only support a few outstanding memory accesses
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> ok
[11:39] <teh_orph> eg a handful
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[11:39] <gordonDrogon> ah well, so there's hope for some sort of 2D/blit accelleration there yet then!
[11:39] <teh_orph> combined with the latency of memory or cache means you can't issue read writes ever clock and keep it working
[11:39] <shirro> wjt: so you are hacking on the X server as well then? I was just wondering about doing a simple compositor using XComposite/XDamage.
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[11:40] <gordonDrogon> it's an area I've never delved into on "modern" systems...
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> but I've been using SDL lately and really enjoying the sort of "retro" feel it gives :)
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> it's just slow on the Pi )-:
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> relatively speaking.
[11:42] <shirro> People seem to like it when they realise they can map /dev/fb0 and write pixels into memory. I think it brings back the peek and poke memories
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I've never tried that - I just use SDL, but I guess it does that for me.
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> SDL gives me a (byte per pixel *)screen to poke things into...
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[11:44] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: i've noticed if i request 8bpp surface on rpi, the palette i see is fsckd up. the only way i found how to fix it, is create an intermediate 8bpp memory surface for rendering, which is then blitted to the 16bpp surface obtained from SetVideoMode.
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> but it's a software copy of the real screen - you call a flip/update function to blit it into the real screen.
[11:44] <teh_orph> ahh
[11:44] <wjt> shirro: i was but i got a bit side-tracked.
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> jaakkos, Hm. I'm just asking it to give me a 32bpp screen.
[11:44] <wjt> shirro: i wouldn't write a new compositor if i were you :)
[11:44] <teh_orph> wjt: yeah I'm starting to regret this X work :)
[11:45] <wjt> shirro: i'm not really an expert in the matter, but i feel like re-using an existing compositor is probably wiser. mutter isn't *that* heavyweight
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[11:45] <gordonDrogon> jaakkos, myScreen = SDL_SetVideoMode (screenWidth, screenHeight, 32, SDL_DOUBLEBUF | SDL_SWSURFACE) ;
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[11:47] <gordonDrogon> right. I must be off now... To the metropolis of Newton Abbot ...
[11:48] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: just seen your video on the forums...!
[11:48] <teh_orph> hexxeh: I had to do it a few times as someone kept chatting in the background :)
[11:48] <Hexxeh> should i be getting excited as i am doing?
[11:48] <teh_orph> no
[11:48] <shirro> First kernel compile for the Pi - starting to feel at home now. Nice to be able to use things like vmstat.
[11:48] <Hexxeh> opengles accelerated app in an X window
[11:48] <Hexxeh> that's what you've got, right?
[11:48] <teh_orph> fo reals
[11:48] <Hexxeh> what's to stop that being applied to chrome...?
[11:49] <shirro> It isn't optimal
[11:49] <teh_orph> shirro: how long does it take? I always get bored at about the 4 hour mark and go to bed
[11:49] <teh_orph> leave it over night etc
[11:49] <shirro> I cheated and compiled it on my co-processor
[11:49] <teh_orph> cheater
[11:50] <shirro> It is another arm so I still had to suffer a bit - just not as much
[11:50] <Hexxeh> shirro: what's not-optimal about it?
[11:50] <shirro> Copying pixels
[11:50] <teh_orph> current version has a cpu 888->565 conversion
[11:50] <teh_orph> I simply couldn't make 565 rendering work
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[11:51] <Hexxeh> it appears to *work*
[11:51] <Hexxeh> that's better than the current situation with chrome
[11:51] <shirro> it definately works
[11:51] <teh_orph> runs nice and fast in 888 mode
[11:52] <wjt> teh_orph: because glReadPixels refuses to work for anything other than ARGB_8888?
[11:52] <teh_orph> I couldn't ever make a 565 or 5551 pixmap
[11:52] <teh_orph> "bad map"
[11:52] <GabrialDestruir> @tweet = Tweet.where(:zombie_id => params[:id]).count
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[11:52] <GabrialDestruir> should count the tweets where zombie_id is = params id right?
[11:53] <teh_orph> in fact even with the 888 version, I can't turn off the alpha channel!
[11:53] <Hexxeh> doesn't chrome use 888 anyway?
[11:54] <teh_orph> what's your framebuffer mode in?
[11:54] <teh_orph> the kernel module defaults to 16 bit
[11:54] <Hexxeh> yes, it does: http://code.google.com/searchframe#OAMlx_jo-ck/src/ui/gl/gl_surface_egl.cc&exact_package=chromium&q=EGL_RED_SIZE&type=cs&l=72
[11:54] <Hexxeh> i don't have any Pi setup at the moment
[11:54] <Hexxeh> just moved out of my flat yesterday, everything's in boxes still
[11:56] <GabrialDestruir> apparently dragons about to start some low orbit manuvers
[11:58] <Hexxeh> just looking at that video even stuff like moving windows is infinitely better
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[11:58] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: as soon as your code is available i'll throw together a raspbian image with it all preinstalled
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[11:59] <shirro> teh_orph: is it seperate modules we can enable/disable in xorg.conf
[12:00] <shirro> and a kernel module I guess?
[12:00] <teh_orph> hexxeh: I'll have to see which Xorg version it is first
[12:00] <teh_orph> shirro: yep you can disable in the config, it's separate modules and there's a kernel module
[12:00] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: i can recompile whatever version, it'd be a hack, but it'd work
[12:00] <Hexxeh> i mean, really, i want to see it work in chrome
[12:01] <teh_orph> ha
[12:01] <Hexxeh> i'm sure they'd be happy to accept this stuff into the official repo
[12:01] <Hexxeh> lots of my board stuff is on it's way in already
[12:01] <Hexxeh> and i can push that through next week once i'm working there anyway
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[12:15] <friggle> teh_orph: wjt: plus the qt folks have success with eglCreateGlobalImageBRCM and now hardware cursor using dispmanx. Unfortunately as you say, much of this isn't well documented (and has bizarre...issues) meaning your best option is to task Dom
[12:16] <teh_orph> does he get paid for this support or is it just his free time?
[12:17] <friggle> well, he partially acts to route emails to others in the company who can help, but mostly free time. I'm not sure if he's allowed to spend company time supporting
[12:17] <teh_orph> fair dos
[12:17] <teh_orph> what kinda issues do you get with that global image stuff?
[12:17] * Mez is happy
[12:17] <Mez> pi is here
[12:17] <teh_orph> how does the memory get freed if it's not deleted explicitly
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:18] <Mez> (though I've gotta go hunt out an SD card
[12:18] <Hexxeh> do you have to work for Broadcom to see all the internal non-documented stuff, or could someone just sign an NDA (if such a document was presented) and get access?
[12:18] <teh_orph> mez: get all the SD cards you can find!
[12:18] <megaproxy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/13W-Briefcase-Solar-Generator-panel-bait-boat-charger-/230781730046?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item35bba9bcfe#ht_3217wt_1165
[12:18] <megaproxy> pi power?
[12:18] <Hexxeh> surely work of folks like teh_orph would be much easier in the latter case
[12:18] <Mez> teh_orph: I've got a couple somewhere from my old camera
[12:18] <megaproxy> http://www.6thplanet.com/store/technical/pdf/miautsolarbrief13w.pdf
[12:19] <teh_orph> btw good to see I have one like and one dislike on my youtube video from last night :)
[12:19] <friggle> teh_orph: you have to make sure it gets freed
[12:19] <megaproxy> do you think that panel i linked would work?
[12:20] <teh_orph> friggle: what if your program crashes?
[12:20] <friggle> teh_orph: then that's not good. When you're sure of the interface/semantics you want possible we could get a better mechanism for dealing with this
[12:21] <teh_orph> yep
[12:22] <friggle> I think global image was ok once Dom very kindle imported the relevant code and hooked it up again (it initially wasn't enabled)
[12:22] <friggle> hardware cursor seems to have been a bit fiddly
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[12:23] <teh_orph> is the cursor drawing a bottleneck?
[12:23] <teh_orph> I haven't looked at it yet
[12:23] <friggle> teh_orph: http://git.forwardbias.in/?p=hacks/dispmanx.git;a=summary
[12:23] <friggle> teh_orph: well, this was for the Qt stuff which is using all GLES
[12:23] <friggle> teh_orph: so using dispmanx to put the cursor in another layer apparently helps a lot
[12:23] <teh_orph> good point
[12:26] <wjt> i'm actually tempted to try tweaking Gtk's Wayland backend to use the global image extension the Qt folks added for their qml-compositor work
[12:27] <teh_orph> are there non-global images?
[12:27] <teh_orph> for my 3D example, I didn't want to have to make an image
[12:28] <teh_orph> I just wanted to call eglCreatePixmapSurface
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[12:28] <teh_orph> instead I had to make this bespoke object first
[12:29] <wjt> i don't know. EGLClientBuffer in this stack seems to be the array of five GLuints which represents global images, but I don't know about NativePixmapType
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[12:30] <friggle> eglCreateGlobalImageKHR isn't what you're after?
[12:31] <teh_orph> why have you got to make an image anyway?
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[12:31] <teh_orph> I've never used egl before, so maybe this is common
[12:32] <wjt> teh_orph: this is you wanting an offscreen thing to render to before you glReadPixels?
[12:32] <GabrialDestruir> Got the Rail for Zombies 1 done I'm not gonna bother with the rest though xD
[12:32] <teh_orph> wjt yes
[12:32] <teh_orph> you can either make an egl window or an egl pixmap and bind that as your render target
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[12:33] <GabrialDestruir> I'm going to bed and hopefully ruby will be compiled before I wake up .-.
[12:33] <teh_orph> I want to make a pixmap (ie offscreen) but I need to make this BCM object firstr
[12:33] <teh_orph> I just wonder if it's necessary
[12:33] <wjt> teh_orph: could you make your texture your render target?
[12:33] <teh_orph> yeah...
[12:34] <teh_orph> can you pass a texture in as a NativePixmap?
[12:34] <GabrialDestruir> Thank you for your below enquiry. As you mentioned below the charge which has appeared on your card is higher than the expected $40. The $40 fee is applicable when ordering through our US sister company www.newark.com. As a gesture of good will we can provide a credit to cover ??11.00 (approx $18.00) for part of the freight cost we have charged.
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[12:36] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone want to make bets on this "credit"?
[12:36] <zgreg> a 40 USD fee?
[12:36] <GabrialDestruir> 40 USD cost
[12:37] <GabrialDestruir> as opposed to my 62USD cost
[12:37] <zgreg> oh, ok
[12:37] <wjt> teh_orph: I can't claim to be intimately familiar with what is and isn't a good idea, but could you glGenTextures(1, &foo); glTexImage2D with null data to set its size; use glFramebufferTexture2D and then render?
[12:37] <GabrialDestruir> I'm betting the "Credit" though will be some sort of "farnell points" or some BS
[12:37] <zgreg> well, in my case, so much for delivering in "the week commencing 2012-05-21"
[12:37] <GabrialDestruir> that I can't use without them charing me more shipping charges.
[12:38] <zgreg> didn't get a delivery notification, nothing
[12:39] <zgreg> why are they making all those promises they obviously can't hold?
[12:39] <GabrialDestruir> Well if you read, their claim is the US pricing only applies to their US branch...
[12:40] <GabrialDestruir> where as the "promise" was a vague "All our branches will follow these"
[12:40] <zgreg> pricing isn't my issue, delivery is :)
[12:40] <nid0> ofc it does, if you order it from the uk its gonna get shipped from the uk, with international delivery costs and import taxes
[12:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Aww crap: mceusb: Unknown symbol ir_raw_event_handle (err 0)
[12:41] <zgreg> last month, I got a mail that flat-out said "we can now confirm that your Raspberry Pi will be delivered in the week commencing 21/05/2012"
[12:41] <friggle> gabr/window 23
[12:42] <GabrialDestruir> Yes, but if you believe RPi Foundation, the original price for the Pi was also suppose to already include shipping. It was a clusterfuck of no one knows nothing, and in the end I couldn't even cancel my order so I had no choice but pay whatever cost they wanted.
[12:42] <zgreg> same with a friend that ordered a while later
[12:42] <zgreg> but neither of us got a delivery notification yet, and no pi arrived either
[12:42] <friggle> GabrialDestruir: what price was meant to include shipping? I'm pretty sure it was never claimed $25/$35 price points would
[12:43] <GabrialDestruir> The additional costs on the original prices
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[12:43] <GabrialDestruir> The pi's on export.farnell were sold at a price point closer to 42
[12:44] <friggle> GabrialDestruir: you mean this wasn't accurate http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Screen-Shot-2012-03-27-at-12.46.13.png ?
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[12:45] <GabrialDestruir> Not even close. Also no where on there does it say "newark only" or "farnell only" and the article itself claims all prices would be honored by all branches.
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[12:46] <friggle> GabrialDestruir: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/871 it says "They will be handling all consumer transactions through their UK business"
[12:46] <GabrialDestruir> Plus on release date Farnell prices were higher to begin with. When asked why the foundation said http://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi/statuses/174789638907637760 - "Just spoke to Farnell: their price is higher than the RS price because it includes shipping."
[12:47] <gordonDrogon_> shipping by camel ;-)
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[12:49] <GabrialDestruir> Farnell doesn't have anything like "Gift Cards" or anything right?
[12:51] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose it doesn't really matter, they could still screw me over with a coupon code or something.
[12:52] <GabrialDestruir> Anywhore bedtime.
[12:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I think my adventures with IR aren't going to get far
[12:54] <GabrialDestruir> Why not? >.>
[12:55] <Hourd> what IR adventures?
[12:55] <GabrialDestruir> RPi wire got crossed?
[12:55] <GabrialDestruir> Fizzle Snap Pop?
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[12:58] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The Pi kernel doesn't seem to support any of the fundamental IR stuff it should do out of the box
[12:58] <Gadgetoid_mbp> So I'd have to fudge about completely recompiling it, boo!
[12:59] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Although I did have a compiled kernel until I accidentally "make clean"'d the wrong folder
[13:00] <GabrialDestruir> Ouch
[13:00] <GabrialDestruir> lirc doesn't work?
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[13:07] <bootc> whois gordonDrogon:
[13:07] <bootc> gah
[13:07] <bootc> :-)
[13:07] <teh_orph> just got pointed to this: amazing
[13:07] <teh_orph> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVwlMVYqMu4
[13:07] <bootc> gordonDrogon: oh, you're a UKNOTter, just emailed you... :-)
[13:08] <bootc> small world
[13:09] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: sorry to toot my own horn again, but have you tried my kernel? It should have most of that stuff built as modules.
[13:09] <bootc> If it doesn't, let me know and I'll make sure to include it in the next update
[13:09] <chris_99> bootc, i couldn't get your kernel to work the other day btw
[13:09] <bootc> chris_99: not at all? :-(
[13:10] <chris_99> nope, i just got a black screen
[13:10] <chris_99> and the LEDs didn't turn on
[13:10] <bootc> first report I've had of that
[13:10] <bootc> you don't happen to have a FTDI cable or similar?
[13:11] <chris_99> yeah i've got a cable attached to the UART TX pin
[13:11] <chris_99> i don't think it output anything
[13:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> bootc: you're tempting me!
[13:12] <GabrialDestruir> The power LED or w/e
[13:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> bootc: have you got USB-host compiledi n?
[13:12] <GabrialDestruir> should always come on shouldn't it?
[13:12] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: no, USB is a module - but I can change that if you twist my arm
[13:13] <bootc> GabrialDestruir: yeah the power LED comes on, I assume chris_99 means the OK LED
[13:13] <chris_99> yeah the RED LED comes on
[13:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> *twiiist* - doesn't bode well for hard-disk boots
[13:14] <bootc> chris_99: if you have time to play again, I'd like to try to get it going with you
[13:14] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: :-)
[13:14] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[13:14] <chris_99> bootc, yeah i might have time this evening to have another go
[13:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> bootc: I have your kernel sitting idly on my SD card, but I don't use it 'cos it wont boot :D
[13:14] <GabrialDestruir> Marvel created a brand new superhero for a little kid who has hearing disabilities.
[13:14] <GabrialDestruir> That's just awesome.
[13:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I might throw it on my other SD card and test out the IR stuff
[13:15] <bootc> chris_99: give me a shout again and we'll see if we can't work it out
[13:15] <chris_99> okey dokey
[13:15] <GabrialDestruir> http://thedailywh.at/2012/05/24/heartwarming-tearjerker-of-the-day-58/
[13:15] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: OK, so tell me what you need then and I'll whip up a kernel for you
[13:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> bootc: I wish I knew what I needed, that's half the battle :D
[13:15] <bootc> hah fair enough
[13:15] <bootc> trial and error then! :-)
[13:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I compiled up mceusb, but there's obviously something it depends on
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[13:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> bootc: I suspect that your kernel will "just work", I'll try it on SD before nagging you to compile-in USB HDD support :D
[13:17] <GabrialDestruir> Uh oh
[13:18] <GabrialDestruir> Think the Pi crashed again.
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[13:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> GabrialDestruir: ohrly?
[13:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It's been 3 days since I even rebooted mine :D
[13:18] <GabrialDestruir> SSH is disconnected and XBMC is unresponsive.
[13:18] <chris_99> what where you doing at the time GabrialDestruir
[13:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> And I suspect other folks have slightly more impressive uptimes
[13:19] <chris_99> has it kernel panic'd?
[13:19] <GabrialDestruir> I've been busy trying to compile ruby
[13:19] <chris_99> ah
[13:20] <GabrialDestruir> The LNK light is still blinking though... so idk
[13:20] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: my kernel won't work to mount a root filesystem off USB
[13:20] <Gadgetoid_mbp> bootc: Yeah, you should fix that, USB root is the only way to go :D
[13:20] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: the LNK LED is managed by the USB SMSC ethernet controller
[13:20] <GabrialDestruir> Hm
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[13:21] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: I beg to differ, but I'm doing you a favour and building a new .deb... :-)
[13:21] <GabrialDestruir> So does it blinking mean the pi isn't crashed?
[13:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> bootc: Yes, I guess the "boot from an SD card" school of thought is quite similar in purism to my "wtf, xbmc" rants :D
[13:22] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: oh yes :-)
[13:22] <gordonDrogon_> bootc, *waves* :)
[13:22] <bootc> hey gordonDrogon_ :-)
[13:22] <GabrialDestruir> how is being anti-xbmc purist?
[13:22] <GabrialDestruir> Hm?
[13:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> GabrialDestruir: It's probably not, I just need something to complain about :D
[13:22] <bootc> gordonDrogon_: you're in sunny warm Devonshire aren't you? I'm in Barnstaple, maybe we should meet for a brew+Pi session?
[13:23] <GabrialDestruir> I'm guessing I just can't properly build ruby on this distro
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon_> bootc, Oh? YEs, sure! Currently in Newton Abbot... (clients sire)
[13:23] <bootc> GabrialDestruir: which distro?
[13:23] <gordonDrogon_> *site
[13:23] <GabrialDestruir> Raspbmc
[13:23] <GabrialDestruir> er
[13:23] <bootc> oh sorry can't help there
[13:23] <GabrialDestruir> Rasbpmc
[13:23] <GabrialDestruir> It's a somewhat butchered version of debian with xbmc on top....
[13:24] <gordonDrogon_> bootc there's a hackspace things in Exeter tomorow... it's somewhat sub-optimal as they go, however...
[13:24] <bootc> yeah tomorrow might be difficult for me as well
[13:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Thanks for giving USB boot a chance, though, bootc??? one day everyone will be doing it :D
[13:24] <gordonDrogon_> bootc, but next week (other than Tueseday) is free for now...
[13:24] <GabrialDestruir> Or one day we'll all have SATA to SD converters
[13:24] <GabrialDestruir> and then where will your USB boot be, hm?
[13:25] <megaproxy> yay British pies!
[13:25] <bootc> gordonDrogon_: I'm in Monmouth Sudnay-Wednesday for work, but thu/fri could be good!
[13:25] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: http://www.bootc.net/raspberrypi/linux-image-3.2.18-rpi1+_4_armel.deb
[13:25] <GabrialDestruir> Destination Host Unreachable means what again when pinging?
[13:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> bootc: Wow, that was quick!
[13:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I think I need a cross-compile env :D
[13:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Thanks
[13:26] <bootc> GabrialDestruir: do you get those messages in groups of 3 every few seconds? means the machine isn't responding to ARP requests
[13:26] <gordonDrogon_> bootc, ok - will email later and we can sort something out.
[13:26] <GabrialDestruir> Okay... I'm officially declaring this crashed.
[13:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm not going to take a chance and reboot my Pi remotely with a new kernel, though, that's asking for trouble :D
[13:27] <bootc> I'll write up how I build my RPi cross-compile env soon, it's really easy - I'll point you at http://crosstool-ng.org/ though
[13:27] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: hah, yeah, agreed :-)
[13:27] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe I'll try to strace it this time if it's still broken.
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[13:28] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Ha, it tried to autoconfigure lirc 0.8.7 and failed due to a lack of headers??? probably irrelevant though
[13:28] * bootc goes back to getting a second SD slot going on his Pi over SPI
[13:28] <Gadgetoid_mbp> An SPI SD-slot? true purist!
[13:28] <GabrialDestruir> WHAT IS PURIST?
[13:28] <GabrialDestruir> Bah!
[13:28] <bootc> http://paste.debian.net/171124/
[13:28] <bootc> oh wait, it works :-D
[13:29] <Gadgetoid_mbp> See you've updated to .18
[13:29] <bootc> yep
[13:29] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: actually that kernel has some undocumented changes in, but shouldn't affect you
[13:30] <bootc> you actually have my latest working branch with my mmc_spi stuff in
[13:30] <bootc> shoudln't affect you at all if you don't use the SPI on the GPIO connector though
[13:30] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Interesting
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[13:32] <GabrialDestruir> Well it's not immediately crashing
[13:32] <GabrialDestruir> It might of fully compiled this time.
[13:33] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: the actual goal of all the playing with SPI is so we can get SD cards and ethernet on SPI going, so we can then work on rewriting the SD card and USB drivers in the kernel
[13:33] <GabrialDestruir> I take that back.
[13:33] <GabrialDestruir> Crastastic
[13:33] <GabrialDestruir> Crashtastic*
[13:33] <bootc> so that it has a chance of getting into the mainline kernel
[13:34] <friggle> bootc: I don't follow why SPI is a pre-requisite?
[13:34] <bootc> friggle: it isn't, but it makes it easy to carry on booting a full OS instead of a large initrd :-)
[13:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> bootc: Would SD cards on SPI be bootable/usable speed?
[13:35] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: bootable, yes. speed is quite a bit slower, but still usable
[13:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> An extra-SD-card expansion board for the Pi could be nice :D
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[13:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> One SD to boot, one for data-logging
[13:35] <bootc> I haven't tried going over 8MHz yet, but that may work
[13:35] <friggle> bootc: what's wrong with the current SD driver? Usb is obvious :)
[13:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Are you just using an off-the-shelf SPI breakout board with SD?
[13:36] <bootc> friggle: lots of quirks and fairly invasive in the MMC/SD code, so maybe doesn't need a rewrite as such but a good cleanup
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[13:36] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: yep - http://proto-pic.co.uk/breakout-board-for-microsd-transflash/
[13:36] <GabrialDestruir> Now I shall see why gem install rails crashes
[13:37] <GabrialDestruir> or well at what point it does.
[13:37] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[13:37] <shirro> bootc: ok, now do ethernet :-)
[13:37] <bootc> shirro: :-P
[13:38] <bootc> difficulty for that is I need an IRQ line on the GPIOs
[13:38] <bootc> so actually next I boot our mainline integration branch with the root filesystem on SD
[13:38] <bootc> _then_ comes ethernet
[13:39] <GabrialDestruir> I'm going to be annoyed if it doesn't crash just because I'm watching it now.
[13:40] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Schrodinger would be proud!
[13:40] <Gadgetoid_mbp> s/o/??/
[13:41] <GabrialDestruir> I'll kill shrodinger -.-
[13:41] <GabrialDestruir> and his damn cat too
[13:41] <GabrialDestruir> or would.... but they're already dead....
[13:41] <GabrialDestruir> or are they? >.>
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[13:43] <GabrialDestruir> It's not crashing -.-
[13:43] <GabrialDestruir> but it does keep complaining about missing files.
[13:45] <GabrialDestruir> oh
[13:45] <GabrialDestruir> that explains why it didn't crash
[13:46] <GabrialDestruir> No root.
[13:46] <GabrialDestruir> So whatever is causing the crash is related directly to having root access.
[13:48] <megaproxy> is there a pi subreddit?
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[13:48] <chnops> I would check but I had to block reddit on my work PC
[13:48] <megaproxy> hahaha
[13:48] <chnops> it was getting out of hand :D
[13:48] <megaproxy> lucky where i work, its relaxed
[13:48] <megaproxy> webhosting :D
[13:48] <chnops> no I blocked it myself :D
[13:49] <megaproxy> if i did that
[13:49] <megaproxy> id just deblock
[13:49] <chnops> it was getting too distracted :|
[13:49] <megaproxy> lol
[13:49] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/
[13:49] <chnops> I don't have the discipline to not quickly open up a tab, but editing my /etc/hosts I can resist :)
[13:49] * chnops resists
[13:50] * megaproxy nanos chnops hosts file
[13:50] <GabrialDestruir> Oh hey....
[13:50] <GabrialDestruir> and RPi map....
[13:50] <megaproxy> #localhost reddit.com www.reddit.com
[13:50] <GabrialDestruir> and holly hell there's a lot of Pi
[13:50] <GabrialDestruir> Someone near by actually owns a Pi!
[13:51] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not the only one!
[13:51] <GabrialDestruir> -dances-
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[13:52] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently there is only 1 other person in 50 miles of me
[13:52] <GabrialDestruir> with a Pi
[13:53] <megaproxy> hopefully ill be the first in Reading
[13:53] <GabrialDestruir> where is Reading?
[13:53] <shirro> I would be the only one for hundreds of km in any direction. No point advertising it
[13:54] <GabrialDestruir> You'd have to be pretty remote for that....
[13:54] <GabrialDestruir> Wow there's Pi on antartica
[13:54] <GabrialDestruir> o.o
[13:54] <IT_Sean> Looking at the map?
[13:54] <IT_Sean> I have a feeling the antarctic pi is someone's idea of a joke.
[13:55] <GabrialDestruir> from this subreddit, yea.
[13:55] <GabrialDestruir> idk that'd be kind of cool
[13:55] <GabrialDestruir> A pi on every continent?
[13:55] * IT_Sean wants to see a pi in space. :p
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: 43km or so altitude is easy
[13:56] <IT_Sean> let me rephrase.
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> Actual space is harder.
[13:56] * IT_Sean wants to see a pi in orbit.
[13:56] <GabrialDestruir> Screw that....
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> Orbits are easy
[13:56] <GabrialDestruir> We want Pi on the ISS
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> I just launched a pi into orbit.
[13:56] <IT_Sean> THat's kind of what i was hinting at...
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> Of course, it hit the floor a half second later.
[13:57] <IT_Sean> ISSPi
[13:57] <IT_Sean> mmmm... space pi
[13:57] <IT_Sean> :p
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[13:58] <des2> Wait til they catch up on the order backlog before launching one into space...
[13:58] <GabrialDestruir> ruby is complaining about something called zlib being missing....
[13:58] <des2> Install it.
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[13:58] * megaproxy makes posts on company facebook
[13:58] <megaproxy> i hope i dont upload a dodgy picture
[13:58] <megaproxy> =x
[13:58] <megaproxy> i hate facebook.
[13:58] <ReggieUK> ahahaha, 'something called zlib' I like it :D
[13:58] <des2> zlib is a compression library
[13:58] <ReggieUK> zlib is THE compression library for most of linux in general
[13:58] <des2> Used in things like png
[13:59] <BCMM> not just linux
[13:59] <GabrialDestruir> stat64("/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/zlib.rb", 0xbef0ec18) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/zlib.so", 0xbef0ec18) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[13:59] <BCMM> surely firefox, etc. uses zlib everywhere?
[13:59] <GabrialDestruir> getting stuff like that
[13:59] <ReggieUK> GabrialDestruir, they may be false positives
[14:00] <des2> sudo apt-get install zlib-devel
[14:00] <ReggieUK> it will look for those files in specific directories
[14:00] <megaproxy> http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/564986_367529683306682_144786882247631_1055727_610134142_n.jpg
[14:00] <megaproxy> :D
[14:00] <ReggieUK> so it may have a list of 6 or 7 paths that it uses to look for libs
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[14:00] <ReggieUK> it might not find them in the first 5-6 places
[14:01] <ReggieUK> so you will get the 'no such file or directory' message
[14:01] <GabrialDestruir> It didn't find them in any of the places
[14:01] <GabrialDestruir> apt-get install zlib-devel returns "unable to locate etc etc"
[14:01] <ReggieUK> then you really do need to compile and install zlib
[14:02] <Gadget-Mac> argg! New Arduino uno's need kernel-module-cdc-acm
[14:02] <mjr> "apt-cache search zlib dev" for the actual package name...
[14:03] <mjr> probably something like zlib1g-dev
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[14:03] <GabrialDestruir> Yea actually
[14:03] <GabrialDestruir> exactly xD
[14:04] <GabrialDestruir> and already exists .-.
[14:04] <GabrialDestruir> This is a pain. lol
[14:04] <des2> This is why you were suppose to wait until everyone else solved these problems before buying your Pi.
[14:04] <ReggieUK> welcome to open source :)
[14:05] <GabrialDestruir> Oi, if I did that, then how would I learn, eh?
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[14:06] <friggle> GabrialDestruir: that error means it wants the ruby zlib binding
[14:06] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, which I'm busy trying to figure out how to get it. lol
[14:08] <friggle> GabrialDestruir: libruby1.8
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[14:09] <friggle> GabrialDestruir: are you sure it doesn't find a zlib.so eventually. It's definitely provided by libruby1.8 http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/armel/libruby1.8/filelist
[14:09] <friggle> ah, you've installed your own ruby
[14:09] <GabrialDestruir> I'm sure.
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[14:11] <chnops> this dsi display connector, what kind of displays can you connect to it?
[14:11] <Veryevil> DSI displays
[14:12] <ReggieUK> the question should be what can you connect to it
[14:12] <ReggieUK> it should be what can the pi drive through it
[14:12] <GabrialDestruir> libruby1.8 is installed so I'm not sure why it can't find it....
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> And what drivers are connected to it.
[14:13] <ReggieUK> the answer is not a great deal at this moment in time
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[14:14] <chnops> ah
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[14:17] <ReggieUK> the foundation are trying prototypes out on it but only broadcom can write a driver for it, so if we see a screen for that connector, it'll be just one screen
[14:17] <ReggieUK> there won't be a choice
[14:17] <ReggieUK> same for the cameras
[14:17] <ReggieUK> although we might see a couple of models for that
[14:17] <ReggieUK> broadcom will have to write the drivers
[14:17] <chnops> why can only broadcom write the drivers?
[14:18] <GabrialDestruir> GPU is locked down
[14:18] <IT_Sean> GPU is closed sourcce
[14:18] <ReggieUK> because broadcom don't want to share their toys :)
[14:18] <ReggieUK> bless
[14:18] <chnops> hrm
[14:18] <RaYmAn> ReggieUK: not entirely true wrt. cameras. They could provide an interface for accessing CSI, then have kernel handle talking to the actual camera sensor (through i2c etc)
[14:18] <GabrialDestruir> So unless someone else goes all Godly hacker...
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[14:19] <GabrialDestruir> ERROR: While executing gem ... (ArgumentError) marshal data too short
[14:19] <ReggieUK> I thought they'd give us an api but the drivers have to be crafted specifically for each camera model?
[14:19] <chnops> I guess there's no way in hell I'm going to be able to hook up my old htc desire's amoled screen to my rpi then :P
[14:19] <ReggieUK> we can talk spi/i2c to cameras without needing a csi port
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[14:22] <RaYmAn> ReggieUK: in my experience (tablets), it's fairly common to talk to the sensor over I2C and then only get the actual data over CSI. And given CSI is a standard thing, it just needs to be setup to know how to process the pixels
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[14:27] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: There are 'no' pure I2C/SPI cameras.
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> - mass market ones.
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> The data always is over some form of high-speed bus.
[14:28] <GabrialDestruir> Okay...
[14:28] <GabrialDestruir> think I found a possible solution
[14:29] <Matt> video data is fairly high bandwidth
[14:29] <SpeedEvil> It used to be that mobile cameras used a 8 bit or more parallel bus.
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[14:30] <SpeedEvil> But they've recently gone over to LVDS serial - CSI
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> this can also do config in some cases.
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> With no I2C needed
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[14:32] <ReggieUK> sorry, yes, my bad, this camera I'm messing with talks to i2c eemproms via usb and the cameras internals seem to be chattering away using i2c too
[14:32] <GabrialDestruir> ooo it looks like it's indeed fixed.
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> I mean monolithic camera chips
[14:33] <ReggieUK> I guess my main point was that we don't necessarily need csi/dsi to talk to cameras/screens
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[14:38] <GabrialDestruir> Well it doesn't seem to be crashing yet. I may finally be in the clear.
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[14:59] <piless> GabrialDestruir: How long is your uptime?
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[15:00] <GabrialDestruir> an hour maybe?
[15:00] <piless> That it?
[15:00] <piless> How often was it crashing before?
[15:00] <nanomad> Did anyone try the raspbmc lately?
[15:01] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, raspbmc is pretty unstable when it comes to building and such.
[15:01] <nanomad> somehow it won't install anymore here (looks like a weird issue with shell variables)
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[15:01] <GabrialDestruir> But for just a MC it works fine
[15:01] <piless> How different is raspbmc to stock debian?
[15:01] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure.
[15:01] <GabrialDestruir> I wouldn't know how to check.
[15:01] <nanomad> good question, looks like they recompiled a bunch of stuff probably
[15:02] <piless> Wouldn't it be better to have it as a package you can install ontop a pre-existing debian install than a seperate OS?
[15:02] <GabrialDestruir> I think the stripped down debian a lot.
[15:02] <nanomad> they got at least a custom stripped-down kernel
[15:02] <GabrialDestruir> they*
[15:02] <piless> Oh
[15:02] <GabrialDestruir> Raspbmc is meant to be more like OpenELEC I think
[15:03] <GabrialDestruir> Debian is just the beta basis if I understand correctly.
[15:03] <piless> Except raspbmc is much bigger than openolec
[15:03] <nanomad> but it used to run better too
[15:03] <nanomad> (at least the xbmc section was "faster" somehow)
[15:03] <GabrialDestruir> It runs great if you don't do a lot of tinkering
[15:03] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[15:04] <piless> are there any recent video of raspbmc?
[15:04] <nanomad> recent? AFAIK it wasn't updated since the beta
[15:04] <GabrialDestruir> Like me trying to get ruby on rails and php and lighttpd etc
[15:04] <GabrialDestruir> The last update was..
[15:05] <piless> so with raspbmc could you install tranmission or something?
[15:05] <GabrialDestruir> idk I killed xbmc
[15:05] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[15:05] <gordonDrogon_> Woo hoo. My Farnell Pi has just arrived! Shame I'm not at home though... Oh well.
[15:05] <GabrialDestruir> theoretically you could install transmission and utorrent with OpenELEC
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[15:05] <piless> utorrent is linux now?
[15:05] <GabrialDestruir> There's "plugins" for them
[15:05] <GabrialDestruir> Server only, but yea
[15:06] <piless> I always prefered deluge as a my linux utorrent
[15:06] <GabrialDestruir> and I've gone and broken gem now
[15:06] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[15:07] <piless> so what runs better openelec or raspbmc?
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[15:07] <GabrialDestruir> I think raspbmc is faster
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[15:07] <gordonDrogon_> me uses transmission for bt ...
[15:07] <nanomad> Thats what i heard too
[15:07] <GabrialDestruir> There didn't seem to be a lot of lag that I noticed in the Youtube/Hulu plugins I use
[15:08] <nanomad> but I can't test it since the installer is somehow broken here
[15:08] <GabrialDestruir> when I was using them on OpenELEC
[15:08] <d34th> gab: i use bittorrent-curses and utorrent
[15:08] <d34th> D:
[15:08] <piless> curses?
[15:09] <PhonicUK> What's a good win32 utility to dump an image onto my SD card?
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[15:09] <d34th> phonic: win32dd?
[15:10] <piless> PhonicUK: "Win32 Disk Imager"
[15:10] <nanomad> PhonicUK: the one on launchpad is good but i can't remember the name
[15:10] <Veryevil> Win32 Disk Imager
[15:10] <nanomad> ^^^^
[15:10] <PhonicUK> https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download << that fellow?
[15:10] <piless> http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Win32-Disk-Imager-Download-173006.html
[15:10] <Veryevil> use your link
[15:10] <Veryevil> https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download
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[15:11] <PhonicUK> gotit
[15:11] <PhonicUK> my Pi arrived today :D
[15:11] <Veryevil> Way way better than anything from Softpedia
[15:11] <PhonicUK> got a nice 16GB SDHC card
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[15:11] <nanomad> My 32Gb had issues with the older rpi kernel :(
[15:12] <nanomad> had to downgrade to a 4gb one
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[15:12] <IT_Sean> If it's a class 10, you may have issues.
[15:12] <PhonicUK> Nice thing about running one of the mirrors is I can guarentee myself bandwith xD
[15:12] <piless> PhonicUK: The imager won't use the whole card, you'll have to resize your partition or add another partition if you want to use all of it
[15:12] <PhonicUK> its a class 6
[15:12] <PhonicUK> piless, I know, I'll stick it through gparted once I'm happy its working
[15:12] <piless> IT_Sean: Hasn't that been fixed?
[15:12] <nanomad> IT_Sean: yeah, it was class 10
[15:12] <nanomad> :(
[15:13] <IT_Sean> piless: i wouldn't know.
[15:13] <GabrialDestruir> I like the Raspbmc installer
[15:13] <PhonicUK> are the images all ext3?
[15:13] <GabrialDestruir> I think all distros should go that method
[15:13] <IT_Sean> nanomad: the raspi has issues with some class 10 cards.
[15:13] <nanomad> GabrialDestruir: well, today the installer is broken
[15:13] <piless> IT_Sean: I heard that it was fixed, but I haven't been able to test it personally.
[15:13] <GabrialDestruir> Well I mean when it works.
[15:13] <GabrialDestruir> Pop it on
[15:13] <GabrialDestruir> it formats your card
[15:13] <GabrialDestruir> downloads your distro choice
[15:13] <nanomad> yeah, it's strange beacuse if I run it on the real pi it doesn't work
[15:14] <nanomad> while following the install script manually
[15:14] <nanomad> it works
[15:14] <IT_Sean> EIther way, there really isn't a benefir to using calss 10s
[15:14] <nanomad> O.o
[15:14] <IT_Sean> *class
[15:14] <GabrialDestruir> But you could probably modify the installer to give you a choice of like
[15:14] <piless> indeed, class 6 has been performance for small random read/writes than class 10
[15:14] <GabrialDestruir> Arch/Debian/Fedora/OpenELEC/Raspbmc/QT
[15:14] <piless> *better
[15:15] <mjr> at least "often" and "in practice"
[15:15] <gordonDrogon_> PhonicUK, Devian uses ext4.
[15:15] <gordonDrogon_> *debian ...
[15:15] <PhonicUK> righto
[15:15] <GabrialDestruir> Then select it the right distro and you're on your way
[15:15] <PhonicUK> I'm getting the fedora image right now
[15:15] <nanomad> IT_Sean: unlesss you're shooting HD video stuff
[15:15] <GabrialDestruir> 10-20 minutes later
[15:15] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[15:15] <piless> GabrialDestruir: You're probably better off not giving the user a choice for fedora
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[15:16] <GabrialDestruir> Well whatever the choices, it's still a sound idea.
[15:16] <PhonicUK> can the Pi do netbooting?
[15:16] <GabrialDestruir> That and something you could run on your PC that does it all too.
[15:16] <piless> no
[15:16] <PhonicUK> hmm
[15:16] <piless> the ethernet runs off a usb hub
[15:17] <nanomad> piless: you can hack something with a 128Mb sd card
[15:17] <GabrialDestruir> Probably wouldn't work so well for Windows users since windows has the whole refuse to acknowledge anything but the first partitions on SDCards
[15:17] <PhonicUK> maybe I'll make a small bootstrapper image that loads itself into a RAMDrive and then downloads the image of chouce
[15:17] <PhonicUK> *choice
[15:17] <nanomad> that's how raspbmc installer works btw
[15:17] <PhonicUK> nice
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[15:17] <GabrialDestruir> Yea except it doesn't run the OS entirely from the network
[15:18] <GabrialDestruir> it grabs it and installs it
[15:18] <PhonicUK> aye thats the point
[15:18] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[15:18] <gordonDrogon_> netinst ...
[15:18] <IT_Sean> that's different to netbooting an OS.
[15:18] <PhonicUK> although a configurable image that did netbooting would be useful
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[15:18] <PhonicUK> I imagine a small graphical program that builds a oneshot image with the path to an NFS share configured
[15:18] <gordonDrogon_> netinst is probably heavier on the servers than using torrent to get an image... maybe?
[15:18] <PhonicUK> and spits out an image
[15:19] <piless> graphical?? cli please
[15:19] <PhonicUK> cli with an optional graphical shell around it for windows users :P
[15:19] <GabrialDestruir> Has to be graphical
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[15:19] <GabrialDestruir> Graphical with an optional CLI shell for Linux users :p
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[15:19] <PhonicUK> << writes software whose sole purpose is to make complex tasks simple
[15:19] <PhonicUK> that works too
[15:19] <Gadgetoid_mbp> CLI with graphics
[15:19] <PhonicUK> graphical with a stack of command line arguments
[15:19] <nanomad> Well, I somehow manually isntalled raspbmc
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[15:19] <nanomad> wish me luck :P
[15:20] <GabrialDestruir> Cause if you toss a CLI at a windows user and say "Type this to get graphical"
[15:20] <GabrialDestruir> they go all....
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[15:20] <GabrialDestruir> ZOMG NO WHAT HOW DO I DO IT -tosses against wall-
[15:20] <haltdef> as a windows user I resent that
[15:20] <Gadgetoid_mbp> TermKit :D
[15:20] <PhonicUK> writing at 10MB/sec, not bad
[15:20] <GabrialDestruir> I'm a windows user too but some windows users are seriously that bad :p
[15:21] <d34th> curses
[15:21] <d34th> done
[15:21] <PhonicUK> if its windows then it needs to be next > next > next > finish
[15:21] <PhonicUK> basically
[15:21] <GabrialDestruir> Yep
[15:21] <d34th> heh
[15:21] <PhonicUK> with a set of command line flags for 'silent' installs
[15:21] <d34th> ./configure && make && make test && make install
[15:22] <GabrialDestruir> Don't forget to put in the EULA that everyone ignores that sells their souls to me for nothing in return.
[15:22] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[15:22] <PhonicUK> indeed
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[15:22] <PhonicUK> I put in one of my EULAs that companies larger than 1000 people that buy my software are obligated to buy me a box of chocoate chip cookies
[15:22] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[15:22] <PhonicUK> twice I have recieved an email asking me where to send them
[15:23] <GabrialDestruir> Wow...
[15:23] <d34th> dem cookies
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[15:23] <PhonicUK> usually from legal@somewhere.blah
[15:23] <d34th> were they good?
[15:23] <PhonicUK> they were
[15:23] <d34th> completly worth it
[15:23] <GabrialDestruir> I'd put in something like "5% of all profits made by companies using my software" >.>
[15:23] <PhonicUK> definitely
[15:23] <PhonicUK> lol
[15:23] <GabrialDestruir> just to see how many companies used it...
[15:23] <nanomad> Does anyone remember what raspbmc user/password is?
[15:23] <nanomad> :/
[15:24] <GabrialDestruir> pi
[15:24] <GabrialDestruir> raspberry
[15:24] * IT_Sean is totally doing the cookie thing from now on, in any software he writes.
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[15:24] <d34th> pi:raspberry
[15:24] <GabrialDestruir> I'm trying to decide if this is still installing Rails.... or just writing the RDocs now
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[15:26] <GabrialDestruir> Lame.... couldn't write to the right directory cause I didn't sudo it
[15:26] <d34th> su
[15:27] <teh_orph> anyone seen this? http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/no-cost-desktop-software-development-is-dead-on-windows-8/
[15:27] <des2> You should switch to writing software that makes simple tasks complicated - it seems to be more profitable.
[15:27] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[15:28] <piless> IT_Sean: Van Halen used to insist on a big bowl of m&ms with all the brown ones removed in his contract, so he would know that the gig organisers had read it properly
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[15:28] <nanomad> protip: add random usleeps so that you can easily announce "this release is 100% faster"
[15:28] <IT_Sean> that's pretty epic.
[15:28] <Davespice> gentlemen, are you all on the ISS feed... the magic is about to happen
[15:29] <Veryevil> link
[15:29] <Davespice> http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/live-iss-stream
[15:29] <PhonicUK> woo it boots!
[15:29] <PhonicUK> also the fedora image is autoresizing the partition
[15:30] <pjm__> it is just a real pity that ISS/Dragon are not visible from here, to pick up the S-Band telem etc
[15:30] <lennard> Davespice: what am I looking at? :P
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[15:30] <Davespice> okay, just off the top of the screen is the dragon module
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> lennard: the numbe r on hte bottom right is the range
[15:31] <Davespice> the arm is going to move up and grab it
[15:31] <GabrialDestruir> I don't even see it.
[15:31] <IT_Sean> going to watch it... my iPad might drop the IRC connection
[15:31] <GabrialDestruir> What a waste of money!
[15:31] <GabrialDestruir> I want a refund!
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[15:31] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[15:31] <Davespice> they've zoomed out now so you can see the dragon module/capsule
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[15:32] <GabrialDestruir> and wth it zooming out right as I say that >.>
[15:32] <GabrialDestruir> That's disturbing...
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[15:33] <bootc> my immediate reaction when they did that was "OH SHIT IT'S THERE!"
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[15:33] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[15:33] <lennard> is that whatshisname?
[15:34] <lennard> oh, right, andre
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[15:34] <lennard> Dutch accent
[15:34] <Davespice> there are 3 or 4 of them up there right now
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[15:34] <GabrialDestruir> Childish though.... have any astronauts done the dirty deed in space? >.>
[15:34] <GabrialDestruir> thought*
[15:35] <Davespice> as in?? the 255 mile high club?
[15:35] <piless_> Of course they have.
[15:35] <GabrialDestruir> Yea xD
[15:35] <mjr> probably, but afaik not verifiably or officially
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[15:35] <Davespice> well, I certainly expect they've knocked one out, but not actual male astronaut with female astronaut intercourse
[15:36] <piless_> Of course it's not going be official.. what the fuck?
[15:36] <Davespice> this is going to be interesting soon, they're going to go to the dark side of the earth
[15:37] <mjr> they're not gonna do much there though
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[15:40] <Davespice> anyone here with XBMC or Raspbmc or whatever, can you see if you can find a ustream add-on that works? I've been trying to use one called x-stream but without a lot of success.
[15:40] <GabrialDestruir> I'm surprised nobody has tried or pushed for a biodome of some sort in space >.>
[15:40] <GabrialDestruir> Whoa...
[15:40] <GabrialDestruir> that's awesome.
[15:40] <lennard> is LOS a loss of signal? :P
[15:40] <Davespice> that... is the test card page
[15:40] <mjr> (okay, apparently they might do things in the dark too)
[15:41] <GabrialDestruir> still that's an awesome view xD
[15:41] <Davespice> it'll come back when they get in range of another sattelite I presume
[15:41] <nanomad> well, I found out what's wrong with raspbmc setup
[15:42] <nanomad> my DNS is too slow and the scripts times out
[15:42] <nanomad> :/
[15:42] <GabrialDestruir> Why don't we have a bunch of synchorous orbit sattelites on all sides of the earth so that we can have ISS contact at all times?
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[15:42] <nanomad> GabrialDestruir: it would cost a shitload of money
[15:42] <Davespice> I think they do... but maybe not for the web cam
[15:43] <nanomad> probably
[15:43] <Davespice> you can still hear radio chatter when its on this screen
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[15:43] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine if they had it up for other communications that you would be able to stream the cameras too.
[15:43] * Davespice shrugs
[15:43] <Davespice> we need a Nasa spokesperson in here :)
[15:44] <pjm__> GabrialDestruir we have TDRSS constellation that allows almost total coverage
[15:44] <Davespice> maybe they're talking to some aliens and they don't want us to see?
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[15:45] <nanomad> probably
[15:45] <lennard> who knows, maybe the image will be back at :02 :)
[15:45] <GabrialDestruir> Aliens just popped in "Hey, neighbors, whatcha up to?" "Oh not much just testing out our new spacecraft" "Oh you sure you don't want our FTL drive plans?" "Nah we want to evolve our tech"
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[15:47] <PhonicUK> hmm, I cant log in with the fedora image
[15:47] <PhonicUK> it tells me to change my password, then once I change it it goes back to the login
[15:48] <GabrialDestruir> I think I finally have my rails installed/installing
[15:48] <Davespice> step 9! how many steps are there.... :)
[15:48] <GabrialDestruir> 54,523,654 steps
[15:48] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[15:48] <Veryevil> Better feed
[15:48] <Veryevil> http://www.spacex.com/webcast/
[15:49] <GabrialDestruir> That feed... shows nothing .-.
[15:49] <megaproxy> is it about to dock?
[15:49] <Davespice> omg
[15:49] <lennard> megaproxy: at :02, if I understand correctly
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[15:50] <megaproxy> :02..?
[15:50] <megaproxy> what 02
[15:50] <megaproxy> 3?
[15:50] <lennard> that depends on your timezone ;)
[15:50] <megaproxy> gmt?
[15:50] <bootc> GO FOR CAPTURE!
[15:50] * megaproxy is in engrand
[15:50] <GabrialDestruir> zomg zomg zomg zomg IT'S GOING FOR CAPTURE
[15:50] <lennard> 2 minutes past the next hour
[15:50] <piksi> hi, this is propably a dumb question but i couldn't find a quick exact answer on the site itself: is there a set release date for the "real launch" (i understood the current launch was only some preliminary batch of few thousand units?)
[15:50] <lennard> so 15:02 I guess
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[15:50] <GabrialDestruir> Okay it isn't.... but it's suppose to be.
[15:51] <GabrialDestruir> SHHHHHHHH we're busy watching the Dargon and the ISS your Pi questions can wait.
[15:51] <GabrialDestruir> -nods-
[15:51] <bootc> I'm only watching this while my kernel builds... *AGAIN*
[15:52] <GabrialDestruir> You make clean your kernel too? >.>
[15:52] <Davespice> omg the suspense
[15:52] <gordonDrogon_> dragon doesn't look as big as I thought it was...
[15:52] <GabrialDestruir> There is no good reason for them to make us wait this long!
[15:52] <bootc> GabrialDestruir: I don't usually try to, but I did by mistake this time :-/
[15:53] <GabrialDestruir> I think the Dragon is bigger than it looks.
[15:53] <Veryevil> http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ its getting good
[15:53] <GabrialDestruir> It's just a perception of it through two separate cameras
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[15:54] <lennard> the hold distance is 10m
[15:54] <lennard> I just don't know if thats from the arm or from ISS :P
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[15:54] <GabrialDestruir> Now would be a bad time for Aussies to suddenly declare war on us I think >.>
[15:54] <lennard> but it should provide with some distance
[15:54] <lennard> erm
[15:54] <lennard> perspective
[15:54] <lennard> thingy
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[15:55] <Veryevil> Arm is moving
[15:55] <Davespice> here we go, this is it chaps
[15:55] <GabrialDestruir> The station's robotic arm is heading towards #Dragon.
[15:56] <pjm__> thats gotta be only a few M away
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[15:57] <gordonDrogon_> wonder what the time delay on the video tx is ...
[15:57] <gordonDrogon_> ie. it's already happened ...
[15:57] <gordonDrogon_> or ...
[15:57] <GabrialDestruir> We have contact!
[15:57] <gordonDrogon_> clunk and claps!
[15:58] <megaproxy> awesome
[15:58] <GabrialDestruir> Nah
[15:58] <lennard> jokers :P
[15:58] <GabrialDestruir> this is happening real time.
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[15:58] * nanomad holds off raspbmc until they fix their CDN speed or up the timeout
[15:58] <Davespice> quote of the day "we've got ourselves a dragon by the tail"
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[15:58] <GabrialDestruir> You can tell because of the SpaceX feed which went all "The arm is moving toward it"
[15:58] <pjm__> should be in daylight in about 25 mins
[15:58] <pjm__> so will get a nice camera view
[15:58] <nanomad> wait, is this ##spacex ?
[15:59] <nanomad> O.o
[15:59] <lennard> yes! :P
[15:59] <GabrialDestruir> wth was that flash of light >.>
[15:59] <GabrialDestruir> Did anyone else see it?
[15:59] <nanomad> probably just a camera flash
[15:59] <Veryevil> is that it docked now so they can go aboard or do they need to bring it in?
[15:59] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[15:59] <Kolin> someone opened the door of the room there filming it in
[15:59] <GabrialDestruir> Or.... aliens!
[16:00] <fALSO> huhuh
[16:00] <fALSO> ALIENS
[16:00] <fALSO> giorgio tsokalos
[16:00] <gordonDrogon_> Veryevil, they need to dock it to a hatch on the ISS now...
[16:00] <GabrialDestruir> I thought they were going to bring it into the bay or w/e
[16:00] <fALSO> im not saying it was aliens::: but it was aliens
[16:00] <GabrialDestruir> I thought it wasn't suppose to dock.
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[16:02] <lennard> install suggests dock... ish
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon_> there's a few tonnes of cargo in it - they're not going to bring it in via spacewalk, are they?
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[16:03] <shirro> need to get the time down if they ever expect to get warm pizza delivered
[16:03] <amstan> yay, RS email
[16:03] <amstan> how much current does the rpi use again?
[16:04] <gordonDrogon_> asm, 700ma peak (ish)
[16:04] <gordonDrogon_> doh
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: It gets docked, and moved by hand through an airlock.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon_> amstan, 700mA peak (ish).
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[16:04] <gordonDrogon_> SpeedEvil, yea, that's what I thought...
[16:05] <GabrialDestruir> Well at least there's a plus about space
[16:05] <GabrialDestruir> it's all weightless xD
[16:05] <GabrialDestruir> My Pi has gone back to crashing on me.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon_> not massless though...
[16:05] <GabrialDestruir> So I'm going to sleep
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[16:06] <GabrialDestruir> True not massless
[16:06] <piksi> is the currently available version of rpi the final design?
[16:06] <GabrialDestruir> But weighted vs weightless will make a huge difference
[16:06] <mjr> as final as things generally go
[16:06] <amstan> piksi: probably not
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[16:07] <GabrialDestruir> Like a car made out of styrofoam.... it'd have the same mass just different weight.
[16:07] <gordonDrogon_> the final design of this revision ...
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[16:07] <gordonDrogon_> ... probably.
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[16:07] <piksi> also wondering how soon the one per customer limit will be lifted :-)
[16:08] <GabrialDestruir> After people stop asking
[16:08] <GabrialDestruir> after the pi becomes a faded fad
[16:08] <gordonDrogon_> piksi, what limit?
[16:08] <GabrialDestruir> Actually probably right around the time they get all caught up on their orders
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[16:08] <shirro> it isn't really one per customer. two distributors, work/home address
[16:08] <mkopack> and Dragon is captured! Woohoo!
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon_> I've heard from people who've ordered 2+ from farnell and RS ...
[16:09] <IT_Sean> Aye!
[16:09] <piksi> gordonDrogon_: "For the first batch we are limiting orders to one per person."
[16:09] <IT_Sean> WOOT
[16:09] <GabrialDestruir> mkopack you're late to the party
[16:09] <GabrialDestruir> we celebrated ages ago :p
[16:09] <piksi> i'm wondering if we're still in the first batch
[16:09] <gordonDrogon_> piksi, sure, but I know people who have more than one (e.g. me)
[16:09] <mkopack> Yeah, I got to the office and logged in literally when they called out "10m to grapple"
[16:09] <mkopack> Just hadn't logged in here quick enough
[16:10] <GabrialDestruir> My Pi was first batch xD
[16:10] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently the way you can tell is the CE Mark
[16:10] <piksi> work/home+2 distributors isn't going to help me if i want to order e.g. 20 for teaching purposes
[16:10] <GabrialDestruir> First batches have a sticker, later batches apparently have it uhm
[16:10] <Davespice> anyone here with XBMC or Raspbmc or whatever, can you see if you can find a ustream add-on that works? I've been trying to use one called x-stream but without a lot of success.
[16:10] <GabrialDestruir> w/e it's called
[16:11] <mkopack> I have a first Batch from RS, and a production run from Newark/Element 14. Yeah, the new production ones have the CE mark silkscreened on the bottom. And the serial number stickers on the bottom are totally different between the 2 manufacturers
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[16:11] <shirro> and different ram?
[16:11] <SocksG> My Pi has no CE mark.
[16:11] <mkopack> I didn't check the ram chips
[16:11] <gordonDrogon_> I have what I understanf to be a first batch from RS and my Farnell one got delivered today, but I'm not at home, so it'll be intersting to see if/hoe they differ with stickers..
[16:11] <SocksG> There was one with the leaflet it came with.
[16:11] <GabrialDestruir> It should be on the bottom?
[16:12] <mkopack> The solder job on the Newark one that arrived yesterday wasn't as good??? 1 of the GPIO pins has a big glob holding 1 of the pins??? Might have to touch that up
[16:12] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[16:12] <GabrialDestruir> you got a leaflet?
[16:12] <gordonDrogon_> there were 2 leaflets that came with my RS one...
[16:12] <GabrialDestruir> Well wtf
[16:12] <gordonDrogon_> one was the conformance/CE thing but both looked hastilly printed on a colour laser...
[16:12] <GabrialDestruir> I got a box a static bag
[16:12] <mkopack> But otherwise, they looked identical, just different silkscreen jobs
[16:12] <SocksG> Well, a but of paper with various compliance test logos, iirc.
[16:12] <GabrialDestruir> and I think that was it
[16:13] <SocksG> I can't find it at the moment.
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[16:14] <GabrialDestruir> Wow close up
[16:15] <GabrialDestruir> He stumbled over the word nut .-.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon_> must be a camera on the elbow of the arm..
[16:16] <amstan> so when you get the RS email you'll get it delivered fairly soon right?
[16:16] <GabrialDestruir> They need HD cameras for all the ISS
[16:16] <GabrialDestruir> then they could do this all in HD
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[16:17] <IT_Sean> they don't exactly have unlimited bandwidth, GD.
[16:17] <GabrialDestruir> Or like do it how it is now.... save all the HD footage and then downstream it later, or send it back via shuttle
[16:17] <Streakfury> Af'noon all
[16:17] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[16:17] <IT_Sean> Morning, Streakfury
[16:17] <Streakfury> \o
[16:17] <gordonDrogon_> aftermorning ...
[16:17] <Streakfury> lol
[16:17] <Streakfury> Indeed it is :P
[16:18] <IT_Sean> 10.17 by my clock.
[16:18] <Streakfury> 15:16 by mine
[16:18] <gordonDrogon_> it's always lunchtime somewhere...
[16:18] <Streakfury> Wow, quite a few peeps in this channel
[16:18] * gordonDrogon_ appears to be in the same TZ as Streakfury
[16:18] * IT_Sean sighs. I've got sparkys in the office, making a mess and a lot of noise.
[16:18] <GabrialDestruir> It's the friggin space station, I imagine if they wanted to setup a a HS Unlimited Bandwidth they could just drop a few thousand dollars on it.
[16:18] * Streakfury high-fives gordonDrogon
[16:18] <gordonDrogon_> GabrialDestruir, more like a few million :)
[16:18] <shirro> love the dress code difference between nasa and spacex
[16:19] <GabrialDestruir> whoa...
[16:19] <GabrialDestruir> that made all the difference.
[16:19] <gordonDrogon_> cameras moving...
[16:20] <drazyl> your clock slow again huh IT_Sean :)
[16:20] <megaproxy> on the map
[16:20] <megaproxy> under the cast
[16:20] <IT_Sean> Nope. It's right on time.
[16:20] <megaproxy> is the red dot where it is?
[16:20] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir: You obviously are a pretty young person??? Don't understand these things called Physics and BUDGETS
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[16:21] <shirro> mkopack: probably has a good career in politics then
[16:21] <gordonDrogon_> sunrise... :)
[16:22] <esotera> pretty awesome camera angle
[16:22] <GabrialDestruir> Physics doesn't preclude them from dropping money on such things. Only the fact the government cut their budget. But with Space travel going commercial that might not be an issue soon :p
[16:23] <shirro> Canada get so much advertising
[16:24] <mkopack> Physics dang well DOES preclude them being able to do some of the stuff you were talking about last night, as well as somehow have this huge fat bandwidth radio pipe to the ISS??? You DO realize that they have to bounce the radio signals off the TDRSS Sat network just to give us almost constant coverage, right? You probably don't remember the first shuttle flights before they launched TDRSS - They only had contact with the shuttles whi
[16:24] <mkopack> over ground stations...
[16:25] <SocksG> They just need a better wifi router, clearly.
[16:25] <GabrialDestruir> Dropping money you could put more sattelites into space to create absolute constant coverage and to expand the bandwidth. Physics isn't what's stopping the progress there it's lack of funds. Or as you liked to shout it.... BUDGET
[16:25] <mkopack> You' can't just "make" radio bandwidth where it doesn't exist??? There is a limit to the amount of power and focusing you can achieve.
[16:26] <IT_Sean> GD, just drop it. you are so wrong it isn't even funny.
[16:26] <piless_> there's more than one GD
[16:26] <IT_Sean> Sorry... i was speaking to GabrialDestruir
[16:27] * gordonDrogon_ just realised I'm a GD too. Ho hum. Really a GH, but hey ...
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[16:29] <mkopack> Getting a nice close up visual inspection of the docking collar..
[16:29] <chris_99> what's the url
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[16:30] <joeka> hello!
[16:30] <mkopack> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[16:31] <teh_orph> how long's it been docking?
[16:31] <teh_orph> I'm watching now and nothing is visibly happening
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[16:32] <mkopack> They're about to do a station attitude adjustment burn and then they'll start moving the dragon into position to dock it to the NODE2.
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> teh_orph: It's attached to the arm.
[16:32] <teh_orph> yeah I just buzzed up the feed
[16:32] <mkopack> They just grabbed it about 30 minutes ago
[16:32] <teh_orph> I see it on the arm and the earth spinning below
[16:32] <teh_orph> pretty cool...
[16:32] <joeka> anyone running programs with GUIs without an x-server on the PI?
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[16:33] <teh_orph> they look bored in that office...
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[16:33] <mkopack> Eh, they ALWAYS look like that
[16:33] <gordonDrogon_> joeka, I've tried an SDL app on the framebuffer - with mixed results.
[16:33] <joeka> no good performance I guess?
[16:33] <nanomad> joeka: I tried midori. It was bad
[16:34] <gordonDrogon_> love the contrast between the nasa mission control & the spaceX one :)
[16:34] <mkopack> Agreed...
[16:34] <teh_orph> ain't see the spacex one yet - what's that like?
[16:34] <passstab> they all sux cause there debian stable
[16:35] <teh_orph> are they all in hoodies and being sick in the background (ie hangover at work)
[16:35] <pjm__> gordonDrogon http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/nkorea041712/s_n17_RTR30KT4.jpg this is north korea's mission control!
[16:35] <mkopack> SpaceX: - simple, all computer consoles, 3 monitors per workstation on simple t(looks like card tables)??? And the people are casual wear - T-shirts, jeans, shorts...
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[16:35] <teh_orph> nkorea one looks ace
[16:35] <mkopack> pjm__: Yeah, well, those 386's took up a lot of space
[16:36] <teh_orph> talk about a massive office!
[16:36] <nanomad> nasa mission control is the perfect example of organized mess
[16:36] <gordonDrogon_> pjm__, chunky :)
[16:36] <mkopack> nanomad: Yeah, thanks to all the mountains of paperwork they make them do
[16:37] <mkopack> The joke is that the shuttle is ready to launch only when the stack of paper is as high as the shuttle itself
[16:37] <gordonDrogon_> yea, look at the library of manuals installed in every nasa desk...
[16:37] <nanomad> Russia: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Russian_ISS_Flight_Control_Room.jpg
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[16:37] <gordonDrogon_> the russian one still has tubes in it!
[16:37] <mkopack> Wow CRTs
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: The design of the control room for SpaceX isn't the cool part.
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: the cool part is that it's in a corner of the factory building.
[16:38] <mkopack> YEah
[16:38] <mkopack> Just a nondescript room, with a bunch of folding tables, and computer monitors on them
[16:38] <nid0> you know that photo was uploaded in 2004 right
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[16:39] <nanomad> still, CRTs
[16:40] <nanomad> tbh NASA has to manage the whole ISS, while SpaceX just a craft
[16:40] <nanomad> and an unmanned one too
[16:41] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: you get messed up colors with 32bpp SetVideoMode?
[16:41] <mkopack> True
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[16:46] <gordonDrogon_> jaakkos, no - I just crash the Pi more often than not )-:
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[16:47] <jaakkos> alright
[16:47] <gordonDrogon_> jaakkos, admittedly I've not tried anything other than 32bpp ...
[16:47] <Hexxeh> mkopack: Been moving house, only just got my Mac setup and connected again late yesterday, got your PM, sup?
[16:48] <mkopack> Hexxeh: No worries. The guys on the Raspian thread on the Rpi website got me straightened out
[16:48] <Hexxeh> Ah, good :)
[16:48] <mkopack> I just needed to add that line to force the kernel to keep the 8K, and took out the over clock and it seems to be nice and stable now
[16:48] <Hexxeh> I don't think the OC would cause stability issues
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[16:49] <Hexxeh> I've tested 800mhz on a whole bunch of Pis, haven't found any it kills yet
[16:49] <Hexxeh> There is a nasty USB-related issue, though
[16:49] <mkopack> I was having issues where the Pi would just go NUTS spitting out screen after screen after screen of repeating error output, but it would flew by so fast I couldn't read any of it
[16:49] <gordonDrogon_> mines still stable at 900Mhz
[16:49] <mkopack> Basically totally crashed the Pi.
[16:49] <mkopack> Yeah, I might put the 800 Mhz back in
[16:49] <gordonDrogon_> now that I have a 2nd, I might just try to push it to 1GHz ...
[16:49] <Hexxeh> 1ghz would be nice
[16:49] <mkopack> Ok, here's a question for you guys...
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[16:50] <Hexxeh> But I'd worry about it shortening the life of the chip
[16:50] <mkopack> I'm running where I start the boot off the SD, and then hand off to an external USB drive...
[16:50] <mkopack> Once I log in. If I cd /boot am I on the /boot on the SD card or the one on the HD?
[16:50] <Hexxeh> First beginnings of a bramble on my desk... http://cl.ly/GtSA
[16:50] <mkopack> (I made both drives the same way, using DD)
[16:50] <teh_orph> what's your root= command line?
[16:50] <Hexxeh> What distro mkopack?
[16:50] <teh_orph> kernel command line
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[16:50] <mkopack> Your Raspbian one
[16:51] <Hexxeh> depends what's in fstab really
[16:51] <Hexxeh> in that case, the SD card one
[16:51] <Hexxeh> cat /etc/fstab if you're interested
[16:51] <mkopack> Um, I just changed the 1 line to make it point /root to be the HD
[16:51] <Hexxeh> then yeah, /boot is the SD one still
[16:51] <mkopack> Ok, cool, I was hoping that it was changing the SD card, but wasn't sure
[16:51] <gordonDrogon_> Hexxeh, neat :)
[16:51] <mkopack> cool
[16:51] <Hexxeh> note that swap is disabled in there too by default
[16:52] <gordonDrogon_> use a swapfile :)
[16:52] <mkopack> Anyone else have issues with the RPi not rebooting after you perform a reboot command? It'll shut down, but when it goes to start back up I get no video signal
[16:52] <Elfish> yea my pi arrived
[16:52] <mkopack> I always end up having to power cycle
[16:52] <gordonDrogon_> never had that. mkopack
[16:52] <teh_orph> a reset pin would be ace
[16:52] <mkopack> Hexxeh: Ah, k, might reenable that tonight
[16:52] <Hexxeh> i did some basic testing, and found that swap seemed to do more harm than good really
[16:52] <mkopack> It's compiling up ROS right now...
[16:53] <Hexxeh> by basic testing, i'm talking about a compile of quake 3 from start to finish
[16:53] <Hexxeh> from clean src directory
[16:53] <mkopack> I'll say one thing, it s a LOT smoother running off the USB SSD that I have vs SD card
[16:53] <Hexxeh> Oh yeah
[16:53] <Hexxeh> Makes a massive difference I noticed
[16:53] <mkopack> Yeah, I would think the SD card as swap is a bit of a bottleneck
[16:54] <Hexxeh> Even with a fast disk connected, I'd imagine swap is pointless given the limited IO capabilities of the Pi
[16:54] <mkopack> I managed to pick up a 32GB SSD really cheap ($29 after MIR) and then another $9 for the USB sled
[16:54] <Hexxeh> I've no data to back that up though, just a guess
[16:54] <haltdef> MIR?
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[16:54] <mkopack> Mail in rebate
[16:54] <mkopack> BBIB...
[16:54] <haltdef> I've never understood what those are
[16:54] <Matt> based on experience with other systems, I'd say swap on SD isn't gonna be too helpful either
[16:54] <mkopack> BRB AFK
[16:54] <mkopack> halt?
[16:55] <mkopack> You buy the device at the regular price. Then you fill out a form, mail the form, along with the sales receipt and the UPC symbol from the box to a specific address. A couple weeks later you get a check back from them for the rebate amount.
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[16:55] <teh_orph> why don't they just bill you less?
[16:55] <teh_orph> what a waste of paperwork!
[16:55] <mkopack> I have a 2nd SSD coming from Newegg??? should arrive today (I think) that I'm goig to use on the Pandaboard
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[16:56] <rm> teh_orph, they count on not everyone doing the whole hassle
[16:56] <teh_orph> what a scheme
[16:56] <IT_Sean> teh_orph: part of the MIR business model is that only a subset of buyers will be bothered to do the paperwork.
[16:56] <mkopack> teh_orph: Because they're betting most people won't bother sending it in, so they get the full price more often than not, but it seems like a deal to buyers
[16:56] <rm> afaik that's US-only phenomen
[16:56] <haltdef> that's just dumb
[16:56] <mkopack> ok, BRB, AFK
[16:56] <teh_orph> BBQ
[16:57] <bmidgley> what is the hostname in the debian reference image? I want to ssh pi@hostname.local
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> Pretty much - large vouchers are not generally available in the UK.
[16:58] * SpeedEvil misuses tescos online store instead.
[16:58] <teh_orph> I suppose some phone companies do that sort of thing
[16:58] * SpeedEvil looks at his box of chocolate. (20kg)
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> 20 quid.
[16:58] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: don't suppose i can sample your Xorg stuff on Raspbian yet?
[16:58] <teh_orph> I'm gonna upload some code this weekend
[16:59] <teh_orph> so get building it now!
[16:59] <Hexxeh> building what?
[16:59] <teh_orph> xorg
[16:59] <Hexxeh> what version?
[16:59] <teh_orph> one mo
[16:59] <shirro> bmidgley: you will have to install avahi on there pi to do that
[16:59] <teh_orph> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/ModularDevelopersGuide
[17:00] <teh_orph> follow "build process based on a script"
[17:00] <Hexxeh> eh, i have ebuilds :P
[17:00] <teh_orph> and use the git source method, not the tarball version
[17:00] <Hexxeh> just need to know what version is required
[17:00] <Hexxeh> ah, so ToT?
[17:00] <teh_orph> the git version
[17:00] <Hexxeh> ie HEAD
[17:00] <teh_orph> the script does all the git for you
[17:00] <teh_orph> unsure what it grabs
[17:01] <bmidgley> ah, thx shirro
[17:01] <shirro> X is all modular - why build the whole thing?
[17:01] <teh_orph> the tarball version has ropey EXA
[17:01] <Hexxeh> i'll run it later and check what version it grabs
[17:01] <teh_orph> I haven't yet found the module which is knackered
[17:02] <teh_orph> plus I'll need a stack trace when it crashes on him :)
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[17:02] <mkopack> ok, bac
[17:02] <mkopack> back
[17:03] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: during every CrOS build, xorg-server is built from source, so if it needs a -9999 ebuild that's a simple one-liner change :)
[17:03] <Hexxeh> no need to even touch xorg's build system
[17:03] <Hexxeh> handy thing portage
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[17:04] <teh_orph> well I dunno which version number it uses then!
[17:04] <teh_orph> dragon is lined up...
[17:04] <friggle> fairly easy to modify an ebuild to use a certain git tag too
[17:05] <teh_orph> just read that url - hopefully someone git savvy will be able to figure out what it's doing
[17:07] <Hexxeh> friggle: yeah, exactly
[17:07] <friggle> used to be a Gentoo user, back in the day
[17:08] <Davespice> anyone here with XBMC or Raspbmc or whatever, can you see if you can find a ustream add-on that works? I've been trying to use one called x-stream but without a lot of success
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[17:12] <gordonDrogon_> A tiny amount of swap ought to help big jobs as idle stuff ought to get pushed out, freeing up a few more KB/MB of RAM for buffers, etc. but one running programs start to swap it's really game over )-:
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon_> however it's probably best to just not run those jobs in the first place - e.g. all the gettys on virtual consoles - although it doesn't use a lot...
[17:13] <IT_Sean> Any programs written specifically for the raspi will have to be pretty RAM-efficient.
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[17:14] <shirro> if you set swappiness right a bit of a swapfile is a good thing
[17:15] <teh_orph> can you set the size of the blocks being paged out too?
[17:15] <teh_orph> 4k writes aren't hot to flash that only wants to erase 512k at a time
[17:16] <friggle> I set vm.swappiness=1 in the images I generate. Haven't fully tested how well it works out
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[17:17] <shirro> I recompiled the kernel with VM_EVENT_COUNTERS so at least I can watch swaps with vmstat and get a feel for if it is excessive or not
[17:17] <friggle> shirro: bootc: if anyone wants to propose a better defconfig you're more than welcome
[17:18] <friggle> shirro: a number of options like that aren't enabled because allegedly there are noticably different iperf number when a bunch of things like that are turned on...
[17:19] <shirro> I have never encountered a system where vmstat doesn't work. I had to go look for the config option. I can live with the 0.00001% drop in performance. I can overclock more if I want to get that back
[17:20] <shirro> biggest performance change was swapping out my mouse and keyboard so usb freezes up slightly less
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[17:21] <gordonDrogon_> shirro, Hm. I thought it was the URF module that caused my Pi to crash a couple of days ago now, but after fiddling with a wireless mouse yesterday, I'm no wondering if it was that...
[17:22] <gordonDrogon_> although I'm using the same mouse & dongle today on my laptop...
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[17:22] <teh_orph> shirro: synergy!
[17:23] <teh_orph> the arch version is incompatible with the ubuntu 12.04 if anyone's interested
[17:23] <teh_orph> pi version = too new!
[17:23] <shirro> teh_orph: my networking occasionally goes wonky as well. It started getting 1s pings earlier and I had to reboot it
[17:23] <teh_orph> yeah
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[17:23] <teh_orph> I had swap turned on and low mem killed my networking
[17:23] <teh_orph> and then the mmc driver
[17:24] <teh_orph> ...that was handling the swap file
[17:24] <shirro> I have single digit swappiness and there wasn't any swapping when it went wonky - no mmc activity at all
[17:24] <sraue> friggle ping
[17:24] <friggle> sraue: pong
[17:24] <teh_orph> shirro: you got magic sysrq key turned on?
[17:25] <sraue> i have solved my problem :-)
[17:25] <friggle> sraue: !! what was the solution?
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[17:25] <teh_orph> what was the problem??
[17:25] <shirro> nope. probably should. except if my pi locks up it will probably take the usb keyboard
[17:26] <teh_orph> serial sysrq works
[17:26] <shirro> teh_orph: really? didn't think of that. brilliant
[17:26] <teh_orph> usb sysrq doesn't work for me post crash
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[17:26] <teh_orph> but putty->send break and then press the key you want works
[17:26] <sraue> friggle on slow devices/ or if using a squashfs file, if you have both py(o/c)'s and py's python parses and reads and uses the py files too, if you *only* use pyo/pyc files its much faster, i have now time from around 1 sec like debian or faster
[17:27] <shirro> haven't had a lot of complete lockups recently. just weird stuff I can't debug enough to report
[17:27] <friggle> sraue: why does it read the .py files?
[17:27] <sraue> the problem was ever i had py files there too, after killing all py's and only uses pyo's its really fast
[17:27] <teh_orph> shirro: doesn't work when you totally bust the machine either
[17:27] <teh_orph> I trashed the whole machine with DMA - the screen went amazing colours and eventually powered off
[17:28] <sraue> friggle, dont know i think it compares to eventually rewrite the pyc/pyo's
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[17:29] <shirro> I have been procrastinating on getting a ftdi cable. Might be a good investment if an experimental X server was to be released soon.
[17:30] <teh_orph> what's ftdi?
[17:30] <zgreg> oh great, a friend that ordered a pi much later got his pi today
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[17:31] <shirro> teh_orph: one of these http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9717 - I don't have any 3.3v serial
[17:31] <gordonDrogon_> I was thinking an ftdi cable with breakout pins/sockets might well be a nice thing to have anyway for some of the other projects (pic/avr) I play with.
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[17:32] <gordonDrogon_> anyone know if there's an encryption engine inside the ARM on the Pi? Speed up ssh, etc. ?
[17:32] <teh_orph> shirro I bought one of these
[17:32] <teh_orph> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TRIXES-USB-Serial-Converter-CP2102/dp/B004ROOPK6
[17:33] <gordonDrogon_> that's 5v outputs though?
[17:33] <teh_orph> no, it does 3v3
[17:33] * Streakfury ordered his Pi on Wednesday and can't wait (the three weeks) for it to be delivered
[17:33] <gordonDrogon_> Hm...
[17:33] <teh_orph> I spent ages checking
[17:34] <gordonDrogon_> Streakfury, they're down to 3 weeks now?
[17:34] <Streakfury> Down? lol
[17:34] <chris_99> i'd be a bit dubious about that teh_orph
[17:34] <Ben64> 3 weeks :|
[17:34] <teh_orph> they have the diagrams as well so you can see what you're getting - I read the chip spec too just to be sure!
[17:34] <Streakfury> Yeah, 3 weeks is what RS Electronics website said
[17:34] <Ben64> thats messed up
[17:34] <chris_99> as is t mentions 5V in there
[17:34] <Ben64> i ordered about 90 days ago
[17:34] <RaYmAn> Streakfury: presumably that's with having registered interest early
[17:34] <nid0> that was probably ordered as in "got his invite from rs after being on the wait list for months"
[17:34] <gordonDrogon_> and it says USB to TTL ...
[17:34] <shirro> 5V power. Some of the ftdi sparkfun cables are the same
[17:34] <chris_99> yeah TTL is the big clue
[17:34] <Streakfury> Yeah, I think I registered my interest back in February
[17:34] <teh_orph> http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/cp2102.pdf
[17:35] <Streakfury> Only got the email saying I could order one on Wednesday though
[17:35] <Streakfury> So I did :D
[17:35] <RaYmAn> teh_orph: it supports both
[17:35] <Ben64> so you ordered in feb
[17:35] <gordonDrogon_> Streakfury, ok... I got my RS invite on the 17th and ordered...
[17:35] <gordonDrogon_> still waiting.
[17:35] <Streakfury> Ah
[17:35] <Hexxeh> i bought the same one as teh_orph, works for me
[17:35] <Streakfury> Yeah I figured I'd get mine in mid-June
[17:35] <Ben64> gordonDrogon: same
[17:36] <Streakfury> Can't wait; I'm redo-ing my home office and want to make space for it
[17:36] <Streakfury> Not that it needs much :P
[17:36] <gordonDrogon_> Hexxeh, sounds like it's good then...
[17:36] <Ben64> ran out of room in my house for raspberry pi :(
[17:36] <Streakfury> :P
[17:36] <nid0> my 2nd pi's due in a week or so now \o/
[17:36] <teh_orph> is there any way I can test with a multimeter?
[17:36] <IT_Sean> Ben64: send it to me, i'll store it for you.
[17:36] <Streakfury> hehe
[17:37] <Streakfury> I thought we could only have one?
[17:37] <Ben64> too heavy to ship easily
[17:37] <teh_orph> I only connect the tx/rx/gnd to the pi
[17:37] <gordonDrogon_> someone was saying (here, I think) that they wanted to put their Pi inside a 5.25" drive bay ... not too bad an idea if you can get all the connectors brought out that you need...
[17:37] <teh_orph> can I somehow hold tx high and measure that?
[17:37] <IT_Sean> ben64_: what are you on about, it's tiny!
[17:37] <Streakfury> Yeah that's not a bad idea actually :P
[17:37] <gordonDrogon_> I think Tx should idle high...
[17:37] <Streakfury> I've got an Antec 902 gaming case, and a free slot, so it'd fit nicely in there
[17:38] <Ben64> eh, just about to go to work, just having a laugh
[17:38] <Streakfury> Plus there are a lot of fans to keep it cool :P
[17:38] <IT_Sean> ahh
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[17:39] <teh_orph> viewing counter on the nasa tv ustream thing is going up and up
[17:40] <teh_orph> is a certain country waking up or something?
[17:40] <friggle> probably just getting spread to news sites etc
[17:41] <teh_orph> can't see any stars in the video - they're prob in a warehouse somewhere
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[17:44] <Streakfury> THE MOON LANDINGS WERE FAKED etc.
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[17:49] <gordonDrogon_> Streakfury, absolute proof of the landing fakes here: http://pigeonsnest.co.uk/stuff/nasa-fakes-moon-landing.html
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[17:50] <johang> I'm not convinced that the moon actually exists.
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[17:50] <gordonDrogon_> it's made of cheese.
[17:50] <teh_orph> ryanair don't fly there
[17:50] <teh_orph> they go everywhere else
[17:50] <gordonDrogon_> well according to Wallace and Grommit.
[17:51] <OkDucky> hello. I was wondering if there is a way to set the resolution in the debian image? I only have one option available which is slightly smaller than my screen
[17:51] <gordonDrogon_> OkDucky, set disable_overscane=1 in /boot/config.sys
[17:51] <gordonDrogon_> is the probable solution...
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[17:51] <teh_orph> config.txt?
[17:51] <gordonDrogon_> oops, yes, config.txt
[17:51] <gordonDrogon_> Doh!
[17:51] <gordonDrogon_> and I'm not even a windoze user...
[17:52] <gordonDrogon_> oops, again, I'm typing rather than C&P - disable_overscan=1
[17:52] <gordonDrogon_> it's hot in here...
[17:52] <OkDucky> weirdly, I don't have a config.txt there..
[17:52] <gordonDrogon_> just create it.
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[17:59] <gordonDrogon_> heh. using ssh -X over 2 ADSL line to get to my Pi at home to check the temp, then running an SDL application is somewaht sub-optimal...
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[18:00] <D34TH> seems over engineered
[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> seems slow.
[18:01] <D34TH> seems legit.
[18:01] <teh_orph> makes a change to not blame cpu/gpu etc
[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> SDL really doesn't lend itself to remote use )-:
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[18:02] <D34TH> neither do "women of the night"
[18:02] <D34TH> :D
[18:03] <gordonDrogon_> eek. it's 25.5 at home, RH: 55,5%
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[18:03] <gordonDrogon_> right. now time to go home...
[18:04] <gordonDrogon_> laters
[18:04] <mkopack> gordonDrogon_: What do you have for doing the temp/RH check hooked to the PI?
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[18:04] <mkopack> oh well, I'll ask some other time
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[18:04] <D34TH> meh 31.1 here
[18:04] <D34TH> D:
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[18:05] <gordonDrogon_> mkopack, it's an SHT15 sensor.
[18:06] <OkDucky> gordonDragon_ adding that line did work, cheers
[18:06] <D34TH> gordon its 31.1 in my place
[18:06] <D34TH> D:
[18:06] <gordonDrogon_> mkopack, http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi_sht15.jpg
[18:06] <gordonDrogon_> OkDucky, neat.
[18:06] <mkopack> cool
[18:06] <gordonDrogon_> well, warm :)
[18:06] <gordonDrogon_> and now I really must go...
[18:06] <mkopack> OUch, $35
[18:06] <mkopack> see ya!
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[18:35] <Pingless> afternoon everyone
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[18:35] <Pingless> I have a new raspberry Pi, but I can't get a GUI to run on the Arch distro
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[18:36] <Pingless> which GUI does Arch come preloaded with?
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[18:42] <nid0> Pingless, none afaik
[18:43] <gyotoit22> http://www.reddit.com/r/nsfwhot/comments/u0upg/young_teen_brutal_fucked_by_two_big_cocks/
[18:43] * PhonicUK dances around
[18:43] <PhonicUK> I have a raspberry pi!
[18:43] <PhonicUK> woo!
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[18:43] <nid0> even that url isnt sfw, let along the content it takes you to
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[18:43] <gordonDrogon> PhonicUK, neat - I now have my Farnell one!
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[18:44] <PhonicUK> mines from E14
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[18:45] <gordonDrogon> ok, Farnell/E14 - same thing :)
[18:45] <PhonicUK> http://twitpic.com/9p3uph
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> PhonicUK, what do you plan to do with yours
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> playing with sensors, etc. on mine... http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi_sht15.jpg
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[18:47] <Guest74763> ShiftPlusOne: Pay attention
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[18:51] <megaproxy> PhonicUK, your everywhere
[18:51] <megaproxy> also you got your pie :(
[18:51] <megaproxy> i want my pi
[18:51] <megaproxy> nowz0r
[18:51] <piless> megaproxy: ordered?
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[18:52] <megaproxy> yep
[18:52] <megaproxy> from rs
[18:52] <megaproxy> on the 18th
[18:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> bootc: just rebooted into your kernel
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[18:52] <MBS> hmm just got billed from newark for pi
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[18:53] <MBS> $50.75 :/
[18:53] <bootc> Gadgetoid_Air: and does it work?
[18:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> Woo: mceusb 1-1.2.2:1.0: Registered Philips eHome Infrared Transceiver with mce emulator interface version 1
[18:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> bootc: Yes, thank-you, it boots at least, I know that much for now :D
[18:53] <bootc> great :-)
[18:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> And it looks like mceusb is stepping up to the game, too
[18:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> Now I've got to figure out how the hell to work this thing
[18:53] <bootc> enjoy :-)
[18:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> Sudo cat /dev/lirc0 yields output garbage that responds to my remote, so it's definitely working
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[18:57] <chris_99> MBS isn't that about right, i think it's around ?30 in the UK
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[18:57] <MBS> idk, lol
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[18:57] <MBS> its like $15 for taxes/shipping though
[18:57] <chris_99> ah ok
[18:58] <chris_99> i think i payed ?5 shippping
[18:58] <Davespice> Hexxeh: should we create a thread on the forum for Raspbian package issues? I mean to report when a package doesn't deploy correctly or whatever?
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[19:03] <lee> Your Farnell Order Has Been Shipped.
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[19:04] <lee> yay
[19:04] <ironzorg> lets see
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[19:05] <chris_99> what's Raspbian?
[19:05] <chris_99> just the debian image?
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[19:12] <mpthompson> Raspbian is a rebuild of Debian Wheezy armhf for the RPi. By default armhf only supports armv7 devices and higher so a special port that rebuilds all packages for armv6 is needed for the RPi.
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[19:13] <chris_99> oh ok, interesting
[19:13] <chris_99> so the debian image is called Raspbian?
[19:13] <mpthompson> Davespice, I hope to get a bug base going soon for Raspbian, but creating forum threads for non-working packages would be fine for now.
[19:14] <mpthompson> Raspbian, being an unofficial port of Debian, is just a name to differentiate it from the official Debian armhf port.
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[19:16] <mpthompson> The Raspberry Pi Foundation has issued their own seperate Debian soft float image for Rasberry Pi which uses official Debian Squeeze armel packages. That is seperate from Raspbian.
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[19:17] <chris_99> aha ok
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[19:17] <PhonicPi> hey all
[19:17] <PhonicPi> anyone else finding Yum being very unresponsive on the Fedora image?
[19:18] <PhonicPi> it immediately eats 100% CPU time doing anything
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[19:19] <crackm> Fedora image is known to be buggy and is _not_ recommendet to be used
[19:19] <PhonicPi> ah
[19:19] <PhonicPi> hows the debian image?
[19:19] <crackm> works fine for me
[19:19] <PhonicPi> does it ship with a desktop environment?
[19:19] <crackm> yep, lxde
[19:19] <PhonicPi> righto, i'll go get it then
[19:19] <PhonicPi> im using my Pi right now, love it :D
[19:20] <PhonicPi> i thought it was cool how the fedora image resized the partition to neatly fit on the SD card
[19:20] <Elfish> there's no powerswitch to turn on my raspberry pi right? just plugin the power cord and you're done?
[19:20] <PhonicPi> Elfish: correct
[19:20] <Elfish> blah my openelec seems to fux0red then
[19:21] <crackm> @ PhonicPi you can resize the others by hand
[19:21] <PhonicPi> aye
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[19:21] <crackm> now hard at all ..
[19:21] <PhonicPi> do the images ship with the necessary FS tools, or shall I just have gpared do it?
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[19:22] <crackm> well yo cant resize the image from inside
[19:22] <PhonicPi> gparted it is then
[19:22] <crackm> gparted is included -> yes
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[19:22] <PhonicPi> hmm, can't ext3/4 do online resizes?
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[19:23] <Elfish> anyone knows a different source for pre-compiled openelec images?
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[19:23] <crackm> 1. yes you need to use gparted or simular apps
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[19:23] <PhonicPi2> alright, now I'm running irssi on the pi itself instead of via SSH
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[19:24] <gregj> was anyone able to get the jack output to work ?
[19:24] <gregj> I'm trying to get some music played through it - no joy
[19:24] <crackm> gregj: which destribution are you using ?
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[19:24] <gregj> debian
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[19:25] <crackm> works fine with it , as far I tested; take a carfull look @ whether its muted
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[19:26] <gregj> alsamixer tells me that no drivers are installed
[19:26] <gregj> or somthing to that effect
[19:27] <crackm> 19-04-2012 image ?
[19:27] <gregj> I only done it yesterday, so must be
[19:28] <gregj> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[19:28] <gregj> I'm guessing /dev/mixer is missing
[19:29] <gregj> open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[19:29] <gregj> (that#s from strace of alsamixer)
[19:30] <PhonicPi2> hmm, my pi wont boot if I plug in my G110
[19:30] <PhonicPi2> i wonder if that thing draws too much power?
[19:30] <gregj> its a closed platform, so I can't just look at the driver
[19:30] <crackm> hmm moded my image already, hmm need to retest with defaults
[19:31] <gregj> PhonicPi2: it does funny thing , like I can't use some keyboards with it - because it will kernel panic :)
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[19:38] <friggle> gregj: you do have the drivers for most of it, including full kernel source. See github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[19:42] <PhonicPi2> zomg, firefox started
[19:42] <gregj> friggle: modprobe snd_bcm2835
[19:43] <gregj> I had to do that, apparently the driver is still alpha
[19:43] <friggle> gregj: correct
[19:43] <gregj> (which is really an alias for opensource)
[19:43] <PhonicPi2> hey is there a way I can tell what 'number' pi I have?
[19:43] <friggle> gregj: well partially, but in this case it really does have a number of issues
[19:43] <PhonicPi2> what batch etc
[19:43] <gregj> friggle: yeah, primary one being - ti doesn't work with quake3 :)
[19:44] <PhonicPi2> I think the first 4 digits are the month and year
[19:44] <gregj> its a week number
[19:44] <PhonicPi2> oh?
[19:44] <gregj> XXYY XX-year YY-week
[19:44] <PhonicPi2> so 1205
[19:44] <gregj> that's an industry standard
[19:44] <gregj> mine's 1215
[19:44] <PhonicPi2> i must have a comparatively early one
[19:45] <gregj> I need a faster SD card
[19:45] <gregj> class 4 is not good
[19:45] <PhonicPi2> my class 6 seems to do nicely
[19:45] <gregj> wonder if this thing can work with class 10
[19:45] <PhonicPi2> 16GB
[19:45] <PhonicPi2> i actually bought this SD Card for the OpenPandora
[19:45] <PhonicPi2> but gave up on the pandora and bought a Nokia N900 instead
[19:46] <friggle> gregj: the 'class' of SD card doesn't tell you much about the performance for the 4K write workloads on a typical Linux filesystem
[19:46] <gregj> to me PI is really a great alternative to ardiuno, so I'll start tinkering with it that way
[19:46] <gregj> friggle: but I'm guessing it will be faster with class 10, vs class 4
[19:46] <PhonicPi2> i want to see how far I can push the pi as a 'day-to-day' computing platform
[19:46] <gregj> its horribly slow for that
[19:46] <friggle> gregj: not always, no
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[19:47] <gregj> and I don't see it as a programming tool either to be honest
[19:47] <PhonicPi2> bbl - new SD image
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[19:47] <gregj> maybe to show kids how much pain it is to get it up and running, so they cna appriciate why you need to pay for apple and others
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[19:47] * gregj downloads and compiles postgresql , just for fun
[19:48] <friggle> gregj: it's a development targeted release right now
[19:48] <gregj> I know
[19:48] <gregj> but I also know loads of people who want to get it as a media centre
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[19:49] <gregj> btw, once I got the image on, will apt-get update/apt-get upgrade do ? or do I have to do a different dance to get PI specific stuff
[19:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, looks like I need to use irexec to catch button presses and queue them to a file, then read the file into Ruby and process it, whee
[19:49] <friggle> gregj: the raspberry pi specific libraries and kernel aren't packaged in the current image
[19:49] <gregj> friggle: frankly idea of people doing development in python on this thing, and expecting some level of performance is bonkers
[19:50] <friggle> gregj: see Hexxeh's rpi-update tool for an interim solution, and the next image should have everything packaged nicely
[19:50] <des2> Maybe compiled python.
[19:50] <gregj> care to share link ?
[19:50] * gregj gets clang/llvm on this thing
[19:50] <friggle> gregj: I disagree. Python seems to run fine
[19:50] <gregj> much faster then gcc
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[19:50] <friggle> gregj: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[19:51] <friggle> now sure, I'd love it if everyone used Lua (and LuaJIT) instead. But whatever :)
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[19:51] <gregj> friggle: I'm a c/c++ guy
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[19:52] <gregj> I started my programming fun with atari basic, and then 6502 assembler
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[19:52] <gregj> these days people don't appriciate how much that's important
[19:52] <gregj> everyone wants to do web stuff, or write shit in java/c#
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[19:54] <mayski> I code HDL :)
[19:55] <mayski> +s
[19:55] <mayski> all hope is not lost hopefully
[19:56] <gregj> of course it isn't
[19:56] <gregj> but I don't think forcing peolpe to learn to program at schools is going to help either (at least not in the uk)
[19:56] <gregj> I see PI more as an arduino replacement for people who like to tinker
[19:56] <piless> gregj: At least it would be better than teaching them powerpoint
[19:56] <gregj> but then, I'm not steve jobs, so I lack a vision perhaps.
[19:57] <gregj> powerpoint is more of a practical skill
[19:57] <gregj> public education should be more about showing kids different avenues
[19:57] <gregj> rather then forcing them to walk all of them
[19:57] <piless> a little bit of everything
[19:58] <gregj> some kids will just suck at maths or programming
[19:58] <gregj> lets be honest, not everyone is above average iq ;)
[19:58] <friggle> the idea is to give opportunities
[19:58] <friggle> I think most children could do basic control, interfacing with motors etc programmed through scratch
[19:59] <gregj> yup
[20:00] <PhonicUK> hmm, debian appears to be at the wrong resolution
[20:00] <gregj> is squeeze the current stable debian ?
[20:01] <gregj> I think I need something more edgy
[20:01] <gregj> clang in this thing is of version 2.7, oooooold
[20:01] <PhonicUK> for some reason its running at 1824x984
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[20:01] <PhonicUK> instead of 1920x1080
[20:01] <gregj> maybe its your monitor
[20:01] <PhonicUK> it was fine with Fedora
[20:01] <gregj> fedora shmedora :P
[20:02] <friggle> PhonicUK: that is due to overscan
[20:02] <friggle> PhonicUK: (yes, some HD TVs decide to emulate the overscan you had with old sets)
[20:02] <PhonicUK> hmm
[20:02] <friggle> PhonicUK: edit/create /boot/config.txt and set disable_overscan=1
[20:02] <PhonicUK> righto
[20:02] <gregj> you can connect the pi to regular monitor too
[20:02] <PhonicUK> this is a monitor
[20:02] <PhonicUK> not a TV
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[20:03] <friggle> gregj: PhonicUK: yes, what' I'm saying is that TVs like that are why we have overscan compensation enabled by default
[20:03] <gregj> ok
[20:03] <PhonicUK> aah okay
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[20:03] <gregj> friday, too much sun, not enough sleep (got my pi yesterday, and was up till 2am tinkering with it)
[20:03] <PhonicUK> this is actually pretty fast
[20:04] <PhonicUK> aah perfect
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[20:04] <PhonicUK> although every other boot I get an error reading SD status register
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[20:07] <PhonicUK> okay this debian image is miles better
[20:07] <PhonicUK> this is definitely a cool piece of hardware :D
[20:07] <gregj> which one
[20:08] <PhonicUK> debian6-19-04-2012
[20:08] <PhonicUK> http://mirror2.mcmyadmin.com/raspberrypi/images/debian/6/debian6-19-04-2012/
[20:08] <friggle> should have a new one soon, and Naren (and others) have got a bunch of extra fixes in.
[20:08] <gregj> how do I check whcih one I got (mind you I'm talking now from PI)
[20:08] <PhonicUK> uname -a at a gues
[20:08] <friggle> gregj: I think we have an /etc/rpi-issue or something like that
[20:09] <friggle> gregj: no, /etc/issue-rpi
[20:09] <gregj> RaspberryPi/bcm2708 reference 2.0 ?
[20:09] <PhonicUK> gregj, do uname -a and look at the compile date for the kernel
[20:09] <friggle> yeah, that will be the 6-19-04 release
[20:09] <PhonicUK> and you can make a decent guess at which one you're using
[20:10] <gregj> Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #90 Wed Apr 18 18:23:05 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:10] <gregj> so 04-19 would match
[20:10] <PhonicUK> gregj, have you run an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade yet?
[20:11] <gregj> yes
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[20:11] <gregj> it downloaded few things, but not a kernel
[20:11] <gregj> I'm actually changing distro now to unstable, cos I want newer versions of few bits and bobs
[20:11] <friggle> no, the kernel packaging isn't integrated yet
[20:12] <PhonicUK> can i resize the filesystem online?
[20:12] <PhonicUK> or do i need to poweroff and do it outside the pi
[20:12] <gregj> you need to do it offline
[20:12] <gregj> I had the same issue
[20:12] <PhonicUK> bleh
[20:13] <gregj> also, swap partition is the last one on the disk
[20:13] <gregj> so you need to get rid of it first
[20:13] <gregj> and use a file based one instead
[20:13] <PhonicUK> or just add a new one
[20:13] <gregj> its a pain in the butt, because I only got macs at home. And no usb SD reader (only built into mac one)
[20:14] <gregj> so virtualbox wasn't any good either
[20:14] <gregj> I got linux boxes at work tho, so I did it there :)
[20:15] <friggle> gregj: you can do that on the device
[20:15] <friggle> and actually I think you can expand ext4 online
[20:15] <gregj> I wonder fi I could connect some of the stuff I got for ardiuno , like 2x20 lcd
[20:15] <gregj> friggle: didn't work for me
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[20:17] <gregj> see the GP pins on the board, I'm guessing they are just purely binary inputs/outputs, no DA/AD converters on the chip
[20:17] <PhonicUK> whats the root pw on the default debian image?
[20:17] <gregj> or any other goodies similar to what you get on uControllers
[20:17] <friggle> PhonicUK: doesn't have one, you use sudo
[20:17] <mkopack> gregj: Exactly. simple high-low. No D/A A/D on the board
[20:17] <gregj> PhonicUK: log on as pi, password is raspberry
[20:17] <PhonicUK> righto
[20:17] <friggle> PhonicUK: to set one do sudo passwd if you really want to be able to log in as root
[20:18] <friggle> PhonicUK: but you probably don't need to. You can get a root terminal with sudo -i
[20:18] <PhonicUK> ah nm i don't need it
[20:18] <gregj> also remove user suse frmo sudoers, someone added it there - seems to be a bit of a security flaw
[20:19] <friggle> gregj: yeah, the released image is rather messy like that.
[20:19] <PhonicUK> hmm no it really does want a root password
[20:19] <PhonicUK> for gparted
[20:19] <gregj> sudo su -
[20:19] <gregj> and then run gparted
[20:19] <gregj> or just run sudo gparted
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[20:19] <PhonicUK> derp of course
[20:19] <PhonicUK> my head is not screwed on today
[20:19] <friggle> gregj: I have a new set of scripts to build an image https://github.com/asb/spindle
[20:20] <mkopack> Oh? didn't realize there's a command to add the user to the sudoer's list. I've just been editing /etc/sudoers directly
[20:20] <gregj> how easy it will be to drive the pins from c/c++ code, for some stuff that requires a bit of speed and also that needs to be more or less real time
[20:20] <gregj> mkopack: visudo
[20:21] <mkopack> gregj: Some folks have worked on GPIO drivers already, so look around in the forums. There's at least 2 drivers that I know of
[20:21] <gregj> friggle: just running that updater, wonder what will it screw up :P
[20:21] <gregj> yeah, drivers are ok - but best would be to have a library
[20:21] <mkopack> Including an I2C driver and I believe somebody has worked out a SPI driver
[20:21] <mkopack> Right that's what I mean
[20:22] <friggle> mkopack: yeah, Simon, bootc and others are going awesome stuff with the kernel
[20:22] <mkopack> Just saying, that work has been done already
[20:22] <bootc> *blush*
[20:22] <PhonicUK> hmm nope, gparted won't do it online
[20:22] <PhonicUK> maybe the command line tools would
[20:22] <PhonicUK> but meh
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[20:22] <gregj> |We're running for the first time
[20:22] <gregj> |Setting up firmware (this will take a few minutes)
[20:22] <gregj> scarry:P
[20:23] <mkopack> ??? checking in on my ROS compile on my Rpi...
[20:23] <mkopack> SON OF A B*TCH. Grrr. SAME problem AGAIN
[20:23] <Guest49712> yay, my raspberrypi is finally going to be shipped to me
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[20:24] <PhonicUK> Guest49712, mine arrived today :D
[20:24] <PhonicUK> from E14
[20:24] <Guest49712> Farnell
[20:24] <Guest49712> Im just glad it finally is going to get to me
[20:25] <PhonicUK> i found out mine was made way back in februray!
[20:25] <mkopack> Dang it??? Looks like the example code is trying to link against a library that doesn't have the proper method signature.. .grrr
[20:25] <mkopack> Gonna have to wait till I get back home to dig through it I guess. YAY, C++ hacking
[20:25] <PhonicUK> mkopack, ROS as in ReactOS?
[20:25] <mkopack> Robot OS
[20:25] <PhonicUK> ah
[20:26] <mkopack> Not sure if it's an issue because I'm trying to do it on Raspbian or what. I'm using instructions that somebody else posted for building it for an RPi, but I assume they did it on the normal Debian distro for RPi, not Raspbian
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[20:28] <PhonicUK> so hows Q3? anyone tried it yet?
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[20:32] <Simon-> gregj: if you're in userspace, you have gpiolib and can poll() on the irqs, if you're in the kernel you can use the gpio irqs directly
[20:32] <Simon-> although my kernel branch still lacks sd/usb
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[20:42] <PhonicUK> <3 VMware
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[20:43] <PhonicUK> I wonder how much effort will be involved in porting Android to the Pi
[20:48] <mkopack> The issue is the amount of memory
[20:48] <mkopack> Most Android phones have WAY more than 256MB these days
[20:49] <piless> no they don't
[20:49] <piless> plenty of phones run fine with 256mb and cm7
[20:49] <piless> my phone only came out last year and it only has 512mb
[20:49] <mkopack> Running ICS?
[20:49] <mkopack> 512 is 2x 256...
[20:49] <piless> gingerbread
[20:49] <mkopack> Yeah, I'm talking ICS...
[20:49] <mkopack> aka: MODERN
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[20:50] <piless> the cpu won't be able to cope with ics without hardware acceleration
[20:50] * looney is now known as BigBalen
[20:50] <BigBalen> Hey??? Anyone gotten Quake3 working with audio ?
[20:50] <BigBalen> I managed to get the wee test program in /opt/vc/... working, but quake3 is silent..
[20:51] <mkopack> Did you enable audio?
[20:52] <mkopack> (i.e., did you do the command needed to turn audio on in the OS ?)
[20:52] <BigBalen> Well, I ran the mod probe snd_bcm??? command.
[20:52] <mkopack> Ok, yeah, that
[20:52] <mkopack> Hmm.. dunno then
[20:52] <BigBalen> Bizarre it's not setup in modprobe.conf already, but then again, it's early days.
[20:53] <BigBalen> Also, I seem to have gotten older and slower in the last decade, and the bots are kicking my ass :)
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[20:54] <mkopack> ehe
[20:54] <mkopack> Practice helps
[20:55] <piless> not lagging helps
[20:55] <mkopack> I usually suck at FPS games until I've put a couple hours back in and gotten my timing back
[20:55] <mkopack> and relearned the map layous
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[20:56] <PhonRaspPi> right, I have xchat on my pi :)
[20:56] <DaQatz> Grats
[20:57] <fakker> yay got my pi
[20:57] <PhonRaspPi> me too :)
[20:57] <PhonRaspPi> im using it right now!
[20:57] <BigBalen> Anyone play with the gpio ports yet ?
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[20:58] <des2> Congrats
[20:58] <PhonRaspPi> woo 13GB free space :D
[20:58] <fakker> :)
[20:58] <fakker> time to start
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[20:59] <Yammeh> I couldn't get my pi to turn on
[20:59] <BigBalen> Aw
[20:59] * mjr keeps it clean
[20:59] <Yammeh> Had it a few weeks now, need to sit down and work it out
[20:59] <mjr> with some difficulty
[20:59] <piless> Yammeh: You should try soldering it, danieldaniel did that and it worked for him
[21:00] <Yammeh> soldering what?
[21:00] <piless> your pi
[21:00] <IT_Sean> Don't listen. DanielDaniel bricked his pi
[21:00] <DaQatz> piless: Naughty
[21:00] <IT_Sean> piless... what have i told you about trolling newbs.
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[21:00] <piless> it's not trolling, danieldaniel has become a #raspberrypi meme
[21:01] <Yammeh> I have no idea what that means anyway
[21:01] <BigBalen> Bless. What did he do ?
[21:01] <piless> BigBalen: He soldered his pi
[21:01] <IT_Sean> He tried to solder on his pi, dropped a massive solder blob on it, dropped the iron on it, then turned it on anyway
[21:01] <BigBalen> lol
[21:01] <IT_Sean> it went pfazp!
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[21:01] <BigBalen> OK, that's???special. But at least it's cheap.
[21:01] <DaQatz> BigBalen: Driped a nice wad of solder on the board, nd tried to boot it.
[21:01] <IT_Sean> it was pretty specalist.
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[21:01] <DaQatz> *FIZZEET*
[21:02] <piless> Worst part is he just chucked it in the bin without recycling it
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[21:02] <fakker> sucks for the environment
[21:02] <BigBalen> I dropped a screw onto a motherboard a few years back, got a little 'pssbspt'. that's how I learned the newfangled ATX PSUs had power to the motherboard even when turned off (with AT PSUs, you'd leave it plugged in so the case was earthed while working)
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> anyone has broken Pis, I'd consider buying htem
[21:03] <piless> SpeedEvil: How much?
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> depends
[21:03] <IT_Sean> Someone dropped an apple pie on the warehouse floor earlier. It went splat. You want that, SpeedEvil ?
[21:03] <BigBalen> SpeedEvil: I'm dead curious what you'd be buying it for. The headers ?
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[21:03] <SpeedEvil> More for one where the headphone connector doesn't work, than one that's been submerged in saltwater for a week.
[21:03] <PhonRaspPi> brb
[21:03] <piless> BigBalen: He's probably presuming that they wouldn't be totally broken and could be easily fixed by someone who knows what they're doing
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[21:04] <piless> I've heard that the capacitor can be easily knocked off.
[21:04] <BigBalen> with solder ?
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> piless: Pretty much
[21:05] <BigBalen> Actually, it does look very like a capacitor I sawed off trying to get a big video card into a low-profile case many moons ago.
[21:05] <IT_Sean> anywhoo, killing a pi via an act of stupidity is now known to us as "pulling a daniel"
[21:05] <piless> BigBalen: you what
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[21:06] <piless> also posted goatse is "pulling a daniel"
[21:06] <IT_Sean> No, that's just how you get banned.
[21:06] <PhonRaspPi> bleh, why are the wallpapers shipped as jpegs instead of pngs?
[21:06] <piless> that's how he got banned
[21:06] <PhonRaspPi> they'd take up less space and be less ugly
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[21:07] <IT_Sean> yes, but, in my book, "pulling a daniel" = killing a pi
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[21:07] <piless> PhonRaspPi: PNG only really works for images with big splashes of solid colour, photos are much more suited for jpegs
[21:07] <PhonRaspPi> piless, that's the thing - its a solid color logo on a solid background
[21:07] <PhonRaspPi> not a photo
[21:08] <PhonRaspPi> its just a large version of the raspberry pi logo
[21:08] <PhonRaspPi> i think they were originally PNGs because one of them is named "transparent"
[21:08] <piless> meh, just be thankful that it's not a bmp
[21:09] <PhonRaspPi> mmm, web browsing is slooow
[21:09] <PhonRaspPi> i wonder if chromium would be faster
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[21:10] <BigBalen> piless: Ah, I was..optimistic as to how big a card I could cram in an old Dell Optiplex.
[21:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> Links is a good web browser :D
[21:11] <PhonRaspPi> lol
[21:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Audio playback is abysmal, haai??? I was trying to get mpd working for luls
[21:11] <BigBalen> Thankfully the startup I worked on made load balancers, and we made our own PCBs, so I fixed it up pretty quickly.
[21:11] <BigBalen> \o/ I got the GPIO pins doing a binary counter. Right. Now to see can I find some PWM code...
[21:11] <piless> I hear these optiplex's make decent home-made servers
[21:11] <PhonRaspPi> anyone know if theres a video player that can do hardware decoding on the pi?
[21:12] <IT_Sean> I hear they make good boat anchors, too.
[21:12] <piless> PhonRaspPi: Depends on the codec
[21:12] <BigBalen> piless: There were many optiplexes over the years. This was a 400Mhz one :)
[21:12] <PhonRaspPi> mpeg4/avc
[21:12] <IT_Sean> PhonRaspPi: it's really more a function of what codec you are using.
[21:12] <BigBalen> PhonRaspPi: Didn't they say that XBMC will run ?
[21:12] <PhonRaspPi> standard profile
[21:12] <BigBalen> standard ? Not even main ?
[21:13] <BigBalen> So it's same as the Tegra2 ?
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[21:13] <PhonRaspPi> mmm
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[21:15] <GabrialDestruir> OMX Player does the hardware stuff, and XBMC has been built with OMX player
[21:15] * BigBalen wanders off to find some servos
[21:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> omxplayer, complete with the power to lock up and reboot my Pi :D
[21:18] <GabrialDestruir> Mmm sweet sweet lockup
[21:18] <PhonRaspPi> lol
[21:18] <PhonRaspPi> mine pauses atm whenever I so much as look at it
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[21:19] <PhonRaspPi> still cant complain, its a lot of computer for ?35
[21:19] <GabrialDestruir> I think I'm about to give up on rails
[21:19] <GabrialDestruir> and just install sinatra or something
[21:19] <BigBalen> rails ?
[21:20] <BigBalen> That seems???fat for a Pi
[21:20] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently so....
[21:20] <PhonRaspPi> i wonder if this thing is more CPU bound or memory bound...
[21:20] <GabrialDestruir> Supposedly there's a guide for installing Ruby on Rails
[21:20] <GabrialDestruir> and I've followed it
[21:21] <GabrialDestruir> Ruby compiled fine, I still can't get the rails part though -.-
[21:21] <PhonRaspPi> I also wonder if I can compile mono for this thing
[21:21] <piless> ??35? Mine cost ??30 with shipping
[21:21] <BigBalen> GabrialDestruir: Memory, most likely
[21:21] <BigBalen> ???41 for me, I think.
[21:21] <PhonRaspPi> I think it was 35 anyway
[21:21] <PhonRaspPi> 1 sec
[21:22] <GabrialDestruir> It cost me a whopping 62USD
[21:22] <GabrialDestruir> Which equates to 39.6 Pounds
[21:23] <GabrialDestruir> or 49.52 Euros
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[21:24] <GabrialDestruir> But supposedly they're going to credit my card 18 USD
[21:24] <GabrialDestruir> which brings it down to a reasonable 44USD
[21:25] <PhonRaspPi> google chroume is installing :)
[21:25] <GabrialDestruir> I love how they save faced on that one.
[21:26] <PhonRaspPi> so how do i o about overclicking this thing?
[21:26] <PhonRaspPi> *go about overclocking
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[21:26] <GabrialDestruir> sudo echo "arm_freq=800" > /boot/config.txt && reboot
[21:27] <PhonRaspPi> cool
[21:27] <GabrialDestruir> Ymmv
[21:27] <PhonRaspPi> does it have to be a paritcular multiple?
[21:27] <PhonRaspPi> or can i go to any arbritary number
[21:27] <GabrialDestruir> 800 seems to be stable, my understanding was to go to 900 you need overclocking
[21:27] <GabrialDestruir> er
[21:27] <GabrialDestruir> overvolting
[21:27] <PhonRaspPi> right
[21:27] <GabrialDestruir> Which is a warranty voider
[21:28] <PhonRaspPi> is /boot FAT32?
[21:28] <PhonRaspPi> yes it is
[21:28] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
[21:28] <PhonRaspPi> so I can edit config.txt on another machine to remove the overclock if I go to far
[21:28] <GabrialDestruir> You could also try gpu_freq=
[21:28] <PhonRaspPi> whats the stock frequency?
[21:29] <GabrialDestruir> supposedly 350 works but I haven't gotten it off the default value yet
[21:29] <GabrialDestruir> 700 for CPU
[21:29] <GabrialDestruir> 250 for GPU?
[21:29] <PhonRaspPi> righto
[21:29] <PhonRaspPi> I'll try 800, then go up in 10s until it stops, and roll back 3 steps
[21:29] <PhonRaspPi> let you know how it goes
[21:29] <PhonRaspPi> hmm, need a decent stress test
[21:30] <GabrialDestruir> I'm going to be annoyed if yet again something I'm doing doesn't crash just because I'm watching
[21:30] <PhonRaspPi> brb, reboot
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[21:31] <GabrialDestruir> thin is a server isn't it? .-.
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[21:35] <BigBalen> Awesome. pwm works.
[21:35] * SpeedEvil pwms some n00bs.
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[21:37] <PhonRaspPi> we are now cruising at a comfortable 820mhz
[21:37] <PhonRaspPi> its a noticeable improvement
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[21:38] <PhonRaspPi> now lets see if google chrome is bearable xD
[21:38] <IT_Sean> go for 830?
[21:38] <PhonRaspPi> i will be
[21:38] <IT_Sean> Are you going for the 1Ghz mark?
[21:39] <DaQatz> Oi
[21:39] <GabrialDestruir> I think he's going for the highest stable possible without the overvolting
[21:39] <PhonRaspPi> bingo
[21:39] <BigBalen> Ah. http://www.raspbmc.com/2012/05/raspbmc-is-now-in-beta/
[21:39] <IT_Sean> oh. Without overvolting, he won't hit the 1 Ghirkin mark.
[21:39] <PhonRaspPi> wow, chrome is really fast
[21:39] <PhonRaspPi> faster than midori
[21:39] * IT_Sean is planning on going for the full ghirkin.
[21:40] <PhonRaspPi> whats the stock voltage?
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[21:40] <GabrialDestruir> I have to go shower and run errands..... and while I'm gone I'm sure my Pi is gonna crash -sighs-
[21:40] <PhonRaspPi> lol
[21:40] <PhonRaspPi> any of you guys using your pi right now?
[21:40] <IT_Sean> I haven't got mine yet.
[21:41] <PhonRaspPi> chrome really is so much faster
[21:41] <PhonRaspPi> its actually usable
[21:41] <GabrialDestruir> What'd you do to it?
[21:41] <PhonRaspPi> nothing, just apt-get install chromium-browser
[21:41] <IT_Sean> He also OC'd
[21:41] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs
[21:41] <IT_Sean> 820, at the moment.
[21:41] <PhonRaspPi> yup
[21:42] <IT_Sean> Go for 830!
[21:42] <PhonRaspPi> lol i will
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[21:42] <GabrialDestruir> Right that would make the difference.
[21:42] <[SLB]> and from 700 you notice a big improvement?
[21:42] <PhonRaspPi> i'm going up in 10s and then once I reach the limit im gonna drop back 2/3 steps
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[21:42] <GabrialDestruir> I remember Chrome being obscenely slow when I tried it on debian.
[21:42] <GabrialDestruir> bbl
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[21:43] <PhonRaspPi> I have a nokia N900 thats 600mhz stock, I can get that to 900mhz without overvolting
[21:43] <PhonRaspPi> hmm, binaries on it would probably run without modification on the pi!
[21:43] <gregj> upgrading to unstable debian now, will see if that works :)
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[21:43] <gregj> overvolting raspberry pi will kill it
[21:43] <haltdef> no they won't
[21:43] <haltdef> n900 is armv7, pi is v6
[21:43] <PhonRaspPi> ah nm then
[21:44] <gregj> overclocking will 'only' shorten the life of the chip
[21:44] <IT_Sean> No. you will NEED to overvolt it, actually, to overclock it past a particular point.
[21:44] <PhonRaspPi> shame the pi is only v6, i'd love to run the android OnLive client on it
[21:44] <IT_Sean> For instance, i'll have to OV it to OC it to the 1GHz mark.
[21:44] <[SLB]> otherwise it'll just cap at some point?
[21:44] <PhonRaspPi> but thats ARMv7 :(
[21:44] <IT_Sean> Yup.
[21:44] <piless> onlive has terrible latency
[21:44] <[SLB]> ah i see
[21:44] <PhonRaspPi> its fine for me
[21:44] <haltdef> 720p gaming
[21:44] <haltdef> compressed 720p at that
[21:44] <PhonRaspPi> but i get ~20ms latency for it
[21:44] <haltdef> ew ew ew
[21:44] <PhonRaspPi> whic is tollerable
[21:45] <PhonRaspPi> theres one thing i really love using it for
[21:45] <PhonRaspPi> i have their bluetooth gamepads
[21:45] <PhonRaspPi> and i connect them to my android tablet
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[21:45] <PhonRaspPi> and play assassins creed 2 in bed
[21:45] <piless> 20ms? Is the onlive server down the road?
[21:45] <gregj> why would you run android on anything ? plain linux is cool. android sux arse
[21:45] <PhonRaspPi> pretty much
[21:46] <PhonRaspPi> i live in bristols, and IIRC the local servers are in cardiff
[21:46] <piless> gregj: android is a much better system if you plan on using a touchscreen
[21:46] <PhonRaspPi> Honeycomb/ICS is pretty cool with a keyboard and mouse
[21:46] <PhonRaspPi> which is what I want to do
[21:46] <piless> PhonRaspPi: ics sucks with a mouse
[21:47] <gregj> plain linux is good for that too
[21:47] <PhonRaspPi> i quite like it
[21:47] <PhonRaspPi> i have a TF101 :)
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> ICS on 256M...
[21:47] <BigBalen> Did you see the Via Android PC ?
[21:47] <piless> It's like using metro with a mouse, the whole interface is touch driven.
[21:47] <gregj> on a large screen (touch screen), tnothing beats iOS
[21:47] <BigBalen> Looks very like a slightly beefier RPi
[21:47] <piless> BigBalen: the banana pc?
[21:47] * BigBalen hadn't heard it described as that, but..maybe
[21:48] <PhonRaspPi> i was supprised at how small the Pi was
[21:48] <BigBalen> piless: lol, yeah, it's a banana PC, now that I see the advertising for it
[21:48] <PhonRaspPi> you know what'd be really cool?
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> PhonRaspPi: Superfluid helium.
[21:48] <PhonRaspPi> imagine the Pis hardware, but with no IO connectors, just a BGA style set of pins to connect to a 'dock'
[21:48] <piless> BigBalen: we have an apple pc, a raspberry, and now a banana
[21:49] <gregj> :=]
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> I have an apricot.
[21:49] <PhonRaspPi> so the actual computer part really is CC sized and you carry it around with you
[21:49] <gregj> damn it , I need longer micro usb cable
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[21:50] <gregj> atm I'm running raspberry pi of ps3
[21:50] <BigBalen> I just want Google Drive for the Pi, so all my data is elsewhere, and I can have multiple pis :)
[21:50] <gregj> bit of an overkill ;)
[21:50] <piless> PhonRaspPi: Or, just an android phone with ubuntu's thing on it.
[21:50] <gregj> BigBalen: write it then
[21:50] <PhonRaspPi> same game
[21:50] <mkopack> Greg: Damn, that's a good idea if you're doing a HTPC setup!
[21:50] <BigBalen> gregj: Ah, it's nearly there
[21:50] <piless> BigBalen: Google drive isn't as good as dropbox imo.
[21:50] <PhonRaspPi> you can sorta do that already
[21:50] <BigBalen> I did some of the setup/packaging work on the official version, but it's not ready for release yet.
[21:50] <BigBalen> piless: It's different. Very different.
[21:51] <gregj> for one , its google. nothing google is good
[21:51] <gregj> kind of like microsoft, big evil corps rarely produce anything good
[21:51] <BigBalen> lol
[21:51] <piless> On the dropbox android client you can stream images to your phone instead of exporting them individually like in drive
[21:52] <gregj> google will kill dropbox with the drive, just like they did kill others with free emails
[21:52] <gregj> piless: same on iOS
[21:52] <GabrialDestruir> Doubtful
[21:52] <piless> they didn't kill the other emails, they just forced them to up their game.
[21:52] <GabrialDestruir> Dropbox has a headstart on Google for one.
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[21:53] <GabrialDestruir> Secondly Without paying, Google limits you to 5GBs
[21:53] <mkopack> Chances are Google will eventually just buy Dropbox
[21:53] <BigBalen> Also, dropbox is a sole companies focus. Google couldn't focus if their business depended on it.
[21:53] <piless> GabrialDestruir: Not really, google drive is just google docs rebranded and expanded
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> piless: Google have a history of killing services they don't think are used enough
[21:53] <GabrialDestruir> Dropbox starts with 2GBs and has the ability for free to be expanded to 16
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> piless: Google power meter, for example.
[21:53] <piless> SpeedEvil: and wave
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[21:53] <GabrialDestruir> For free.
[21:53] <BigBalen> And health. and Buzz.
[21:54] <gregj> altho honestlyu, google drive is crap. n just like their 'google docs' are crap
[21:54] <BigBalen> Someone pointed out that unless you are paying for a service, expect it to go away some day, or treat you like the product.
[21:54] <piless> GabrialDestruir: I always hated these invite things, they always feel like a pyramid scheme.
[21:54] <GabrialDestruir> They aren't really
[21:54] <GabrialDestruir> it'd make it so much easier if it were
[21:54] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[21:54] <piless> BigBalen: If you're not paying for a product, then you are the product being sold.
[21:55] <BigBalen> Or an advertisement.
[21:55] <BigBalen> Google Drive/Docs is free just to get you hooked so you'll get your company/uni to buy it.
[21:56] <[SLB]> i thought db was up to 8gb, if now it got up to 16 even better eheh
[21:56] <GabrialDestruir> Yea...
[21:56] <GabrialDestruir> They recently switched everyone over to the EDU terms
[21:56] <piless> BigBalen: That's the point, it's like facebook, they're not charging directly for a service, instead they make their money selling user data to advertisers.
[21:56] <GabrialDestruir> 500MB instead of 250, up to 16GB
[21:56] <BigBalen> Not on drive.
[21:56] <GabrialDestruir> Or if you pay you can get up to 32GB
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[21:57] <BigBalen> Drive/docs don't have advertising, it's to get people in on the enterprise thingy
[21:57] <piless> GabrialDestruir: What if everyone you know is already on dropbox? Who do you invite then?
[21:57] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[21:57] <GabrialDestruir> Free Google Ad Credits
[21:57] <BigBalen> piless: You could always???you know..pay money for a service...
[21:58] <piless> BigBalen: Yeah, but GabrialDestruir was referring about how easy the invite system is.
[21:58] <GabrialDestruir> It cost a lot more now than it use to but I spent 20 bucks of free credits on Dropbox ads and got 4-5 GBs
[21:59] <GabrialDestruir> I also have a referal link in like my XDA signature and other palces
[21:59] <GabrialDestruir> places*
[21:59] <BigBalen> Is it just me, or is 'extremetuxracer' without any binary on the Debian RPi image
[22:00] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine it won't be long since Google now has "Drive"
[22:00] <GabrialDestruir> before they stop people from using Ad Words to use their own free credit to get Dropbox space
[22:01] <gregj> so the theory that kernel panics when I attach keyboard to PI is due to the power the keyboard draws, has not been proven
[22:01] <gregj> the keyboard that crashes kernel draws 50mA, keyboard that works (I'm using it now) draws 100mA
[22:01] <BigBalen> gregj: Maybe it spikes though
[22:01] <gregj> :~
[22:01] <BigBalen> What sort of USB power are you using ?
[22:02] <gregj> ps3
[22:02] <BigBalen> Good quality wall wart, or a USB from a PC
[22:02] <BigBalen> I'd go try a beefier wall wart with better smoothing.
[22:02] <plugwash> my theory is that the voltage to the USB port drops too low for the keyboard making the keyboard do screwy things to the USB bus
[22:02] <plugwash> which crashes the kernel
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[22:02] <gregj> BigBalen: I would do that, I have loads of apple usb chargers around
[22:02] <gregj> BigBalen: but, my microusb cable is rather short
[22:02] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure if it's a direct result of me using strace or just a side affect
[22:02] <BigBalen> D'oh
[22:02] <GabrialDestruir> by my pi refuses to crash when I use it.
[22:03] <plugwash> gregj, so plug the power bick into an extension lead
[22:03] <plugwash> i'd guess that some USB devices are more tolerant of undervoltage than others
[22:03] <gregj> plugwash: idea is good, but bit hacky, I prefer proper solutions (which, you may ask - kind of makes my presence here to be questionable)
[22:03] <gregj> so you think the other keyboard draws more opwer initially
[22:04] <gregj> that is plausible
[22:04] <BigBalen> plugwash: it's scary how..non-standard USB is
[22:04] <gregj> once debian upgrade goes through, I'll test it
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[22:04] <plugwash> it's not just about drawing more power it's also about being tolerant of low voltages
[22:04] <plugwash> the ultimate soloution to USB power problems on the Pi is to solder wires across the polyfuses on the USB port and connect a decent 2A PSU to the GPIO header
[22:04] <gregj> mind yuo, the keyboard that causes kernel panics is a ??10 Curry's keyboard
[22:04] <BigBalen> I think EEBlog had a cool article about how dangerous some random iPod charger brought in from China was
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[22:04] <gregj> or rather pcworld (same thing)
[22:04] <PhonRaspPi> okay so the Pi is unusable the moment you start swapping
[22:05] <gregj> ie swapon -a ?
[22:05] <gregj> works fine for me with swap on
[22:05] <PhonRaspPi> well the moment chrome ate 200mb to itself
[22:05] <gregj> forget chrome
[22:05] <gregj> or firefox
[22:05] <gregj> this thing has 256mb
[22:05] <PhonRaspPi> midori is fine but its slow
[22:05] <BigBalen> Awesome. My five year old has worked out how login to his account on the RPi
[22:06] <gregj> its slow because cpu is slow
[22:06] <plugwash> i've said it before and i'll say it again swap on SD is a horriblly stupid idea
[22:06] <PhonRaspPi> chrome is fast until it eats all the RAM and dies
[22:06] <gregj> chrome is produce of google, therefore it must be crap.
[22:06] <GabrialDestruir> I found all the browsers to be underwhelmingly useless....
[22:06] <gregj> :P
[22:06] <gregj> rendering html is not simple thing
[22:07] <gregj> (a) simple thing, even
[22:07] <GabrialDestruir> or would it be overwhelmingly useless....
[22:07] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose it could just be whelmingly useless.
[22:08] <PhonRaspPi> hmm i wonder how i can turn off images
[22:08] <GabrialDestruir> Regardless, since I wanted to use my Pi for youtube and hulu anyways a browser just didn't work out.
[22:08] <GabrialDestruir> bbl
[22:09] <PhonRaspPi> id love a port of the browser from the N900
[22:09] <PhonRaspPi> that could handle most pages okay
[22:09] <haltdef> .. firefox? :P
[22:09] <PhonRaspPi> it was a modified firefox
[22:09] <PhonRaspPi> minimo i think it was
[22:10] <PhonRaspPi> *reboot*
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[22:11] <BigBalen> Hmm. Tuxracer doesn't seem to run on it.
[22:11] <piless> because tuxracer sucks
[22:13] <dwatkins> it probably needs a much more powerful machine
[22:14] <dwatkins> also, hello #RaspberryPi
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[22:14] <PhonRaspPi> IT_Sean, now at 850mhz
[22:14] <dmsuse> GabrialDestruir: youtube.com/html5
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[22:14] <BigBalen> dwatkins: Nah, it's just boning out, saying it can't find opengl
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[22:15] <PhonRaspPi> BigBalen, what you trying to run?
[22:15] <dwatkins> BigBalen: ah ok, I havn't received mine yet so can't compare *shakes fist at Farnell jokingly*
[22:15] <BigBalen> extremetuxracer 0.4-4
[22:15] <DaQatz> PhonRaspPi: Is your pi burnt yet?
[22:15] <PhonRaspPi> nope
[22:15] <PhonRaspPi> seems okay for now
[22:15] <dwatkins> is it noticably faster, PhonRaspPi?
[22:15] <PhonRaspPi> compared to 700, yes
[22:15] <PhonRaspPi> the chip is slightly warm to the touch but not enough to be uncomfortable
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[22:16] <dwatkins> PhonRaspPi: what does /proc/cpuinfo say?
[22:16] <dwatkins> (just the MHz part, I imagine pasting the entire output would spam the channel)
[22:16] <IT_Sean> PhonRaspPi: 850!? sweeeet!
[22:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha, I can turn the leds hooked up to my Pi on and off with a media center remote now :D
[22:17] <PhonRaspPi> 1 tick
[22:17] <IT_Sean> Gadgetoid_Air: awesomesauce.
[22:17] <PhonRaspPi> anyone know what the app is that takes a file and pastebins it?
[22:17] <dwatkins> I was wondering about which remote to use, is there a concensus on which is simplest to setup for, say, XBMC?
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[22:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> IT_Sean: useful at night for turning the clock off, or into a minimal mode
[22:17] <dwatkins> PhonRaspPi: pastebinit
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[22:17] <piless> Gadgetoid_Air: The next step would be to turn it into a clapper.
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[22:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless: I was thinking laser guided missiles for home security
[22:19] * IT_Sean sighs. If #raspberrypi gets a subpoena for logs, i'm going to be sooooooo [censored]
[22:19] <PhonRaspPi> bleh, pastebinit is outdated :(
[22:20] <BigBalen> dwatkins: I use an old Logitech Harmoney. Functional, but horrid slow.
[22:20] <PhonRaspPi> BogoMIPS : 847.05
[22:20] <PhonRaspPi> dwatkins ^
[22:20] <dwatkins> PhonRaspPi: how about MHz?
[22:20] <PhonRaspPi> it doesnt say the clock speed
[22:21] <mjr> sounds like 850
[22:21] <dwatkins> strange, my Atom-based laptop has it on the 7th line, oh well :)
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[22:21] <BigBalen> dwatkins: How are you gonna get XBMC on the RPi ? Are you using the XBMC images, or did you find a package for Debian ?
[22:21] <BigBalen> I???don't really feel like compiling it :)
[22:21] <dwatkins> I was just curious, some CPUs will run at a lower clockspeed until they need more oomph
[22:22] <dwatkins> BigBalen: there's a newer site with XMBC in beta, not the official one, I think I have a link somewhere...
[22:22] <PhonRaspPi> http://paste.debian.net/171184/ << dwatkins
[22:22] <piless> IT_Sean: Check the log at 18:43
[22:23] <dwatkins> thanks PhonRaspPi :)
[22:23] <IT_Sean> piless: why? I'm at work. Just tell me...
[22:23] <piless> porn
[22:23] <IT_Sean> link me?
[22:23] <IT_Sean> to the LOG!
[22:23] <IT_Sean> NOT the porn.
[22:24] <piless> http://srv.datagutt1.com/index.php?date=2012-05-25
[22:24] <PhonRaspPi> lolol
[22:24] <dwatkins> BigBalen: I was going to try this first: http://openelec.tv/
[22:24] <BigBalen> That's a ??? odd source package ?
[22:25] <mkopack> Ok, who has a good source for an inexpensive good RPi PSU in the USA??? I am using the little AC->USB adaptor that came with my iPhone, and that works great, but I need 2 more
[22:25] <mkopack> Apple wants $29 each for those! F that!
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[22:25] <dwatkins> BigBalen: sorry, no idea if they've made the Debian sources available, I was going to just try that image.
[22:25] <BigBalen> Oh right. I'll wait a we while.
[22:25] <IT_Sean> piless: remind me when i log on again later, from home, okay?
[22:25] <piless_> no
[22:25] <IT_Sean> fine, don't then.
[22:26] <BigBalen> Stupid MicroSD cards. I've lost all but one of them.
[22:26] <haltdef> your issue with apple's pricing is only for their PSUs? really? :P
[22:26] <dwatkins> mkopack: you can probably buy generic USB mains adapters from hardware stores, but probably best not to get the absolute cheapest
[22:26] <piless_> BigBalen: I stick them in the adaptor they came with if I'm not using them
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[22:26] <BigBalen> piless_: Nice idea.
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[22:27] <BigBalen> I do have 2 32GB cards, that I bought on ebay before I realized how many counterfeit ones were out there
[22:27] <BigBalen> Might try one of those.
[22:27] <BigBalen> The first 2GB is usually OK
[22:27] <piless_> mkopack: Just check newegg or amazon or whatever. As long as it's 1A any should work
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[22:28] <Meatballs> I'm glad some clever sod put that boot_ssh_enable.rc on the image, I had everything ready to go but just realised my keyboard is PS/2 ><
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[22:28] <mkopack> they actually have ones that look JUST like the apple ones, at the gas station next to my office for $7.99 each, and I checked the power ratings on it, specs are the same as the apple ones.
[22:28] <PhonRaspPi> woo i got my main keyboard to work
[22:28] <mkopack> I just was a little hesitant buying them at the gas station!
[22:28] <PhonRaspPi> had to unplug the dongle plugged into its hub
[22:28] <PhonRaspPi> only problem is my mouse now doesn't work
[22:28] <piless_> Did you use an adaptor or manage to fit a ps/2 into your usb slot?
[22:29] <piless_> mkopack: It doesn't have to be an apple one
[22:29] <PhonRaspPi> i don't think this thing can supply enough power to both...
[22:29] <dwatkins> mkopack: you might find this interesting: http://www.arcfn.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html
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[22:29] <mkopack> I know, but you gotta be careful, I have a Belkin Power adaptor (that was also for iPhone) and it's rated at 5.2V not 5V, and it doesn't work when I tried
[22:29] <PhonRaspPi> hmm
[22:30] <piless_> mkopack: Sometimes the super cheap chinese ones overestimate their mA output, so you would get 700mA instead of 1A, but even so that's still enough for the pi
[22:30] <mkopack> And I figure that if I go to BBuy to look for some sort of cell phone PSU, I'll get raped
[22:30] <mkopack> Might try Frys
[22:30] <plugwash> piless_, sometimes they overestimate by a lot more than that
[22:31] <plugwash> and sometimes they don't maintain proper regulation or proper isolation barriers
[22:31] <plugwash> cellphones are a lot more tolerant than the Pi is :/
[22:31] <mkopack> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/USB-Power-AC-Adapter-for-iPhone-iPod/6167580/product.html
[22:31] <mkopack> That looks like the one for my iPad
[22:31] <PhonRaspPi> okay so plugging in a G110 keyboard stops any other USB devices working :\
[22:31] <IT_Sean> PhonRaspPi: that one of those big fancy Logitech keyboards?
[22:31] <IT_Sean> It's probably drawing too much power.
[22:32] <IT_Sean> Try it off a powered USB hub.
[22:32] <PhonRaspPi> don't have one to hand annoyingly
[22:32] <piless_> mkopack: http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Griffin-PowerBlock-AC-Charger/3058471/product.html
[22:32] <PhonRaspPi> otherwise i would
[22:32] <mkopack> Piless: Yeah, that's the one I have at home. didn't work
[22:32] <mkopack> 5.2V
[22:32] <IT_Sean> you should get one. the USB ports on the Pi are not going to work for any sort of power hungry device.
[22:32] <piless_> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Universal-Black-USB-AC-Wall-Charger/3278487/product.html
[22:33] <PhonRaspPi> indeed
[22:33] <PhonRaspPi> i wasn't expecting my keyboard to be quite that power hungry
[22:33] <mkopack> HATE when they don't list the electrical specs!
[22:34] <PhonRaspPi> okay now links2 is a *fast* browser
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[22:35] <piless_> mkopack: skpang sell a raspi charger
[22:35] <mkopack> Dammit, this looks good, but only 500ma per port: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/e5bd/#tabs
[22:35] <piless_> you want 1A
[22:35] <mkopack> I would have been able to run all 3 RPi's from 1 Power jack ! Crap
[22:35] <mkopack> I know
[22:35] <BigBalen> piless_: it needs an amp ?
[22:35] <mkopack> Well, it needs 700ma, but best to have a little extra to be safe
[22:36] <IT_Sean> the raspi? 700ma for a Model B
[22:36] <BigBalen> Wow.
[22:36] <piless_> BigBalen: Not quite, but better safe than sorry.
[22:36] <plugwash> mkopack, if you want to run multiple Pis together i'd just get a decent PSU from your favorite electronics supplier
[22:36] <plugwash> and hook them all up to it
[22:36] <plugwash> (assuming you can solder that is)
[22:36] <piless_> mkopack: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-psu-5v-1a-p-1075.html
[22:36] <mkopack> Well, it's not required, but when I saw that I was like "NICE!"
[22:36] * BigBalen has so many android chargers around the place..
[22:36] <IT_Sean> the Apple iPad charger (NOT the iPod / iPhone charger) is 10A. Dunno how well regulated it is, though. Just pointing it out.
[22:37] <piless_> IT_Sean: I thought the ipad charger was 2A
[22:37] <IT_Sean> mine says 10A on it
[22:37] * plugwash thinks of the PSU he bought for bulk charging of sensor nodes for the grain silo sensing project at uni. 5V 40A
[22:37] <IT_Sean> mine is the one for the 1st gen iPad, though
[22:37] <plugwash> and I have it connected to a nice distribution PCB with individually fused outlets
[22:39] <mkopack> Yeah, on't need the iPad charger (plus I use that for my iPad)
[22:39] <mkopack> Input or output?
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[22:39] <IT_Sean> Just thought i'd mention it.
[22:39] <piless_> output
[22:40] <mkopack> I have one of these: http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=400738 That I use to charge up my iPhone, and plug the power brick for the iPad into. VERY handy when traveling
[22:40] <BigBalen> Hmm. Getting nasty artifacts on any opengl game I can try other than quake. And nothing has working audio :(
[22:40] <mkopack> (especially air airports where there's NEVER a damn power outlet free!)
[22:40] <mkopack> BigBalen: HAve you done the command to enable audio?
[22:41] <IT_Sean> EWR recently installed USB charging sockets in the departure terminals. Very handy! :)
[22:41] <mkopack> I've been able to get audio on Stella and VICE C-64 emulators (although the C64 struggled to emulate the sound, just couldn't keep up)
[22:41] <IT_Sean> They have these stands with 110v outlets, USB charging sockets, and a little laptop sized shelf at the end of each row of seats in the departure terminals
[22:41] <piless_> you want to use the airports with plug sockets embedded into the chairs
[22:42] <mkopack> BigBalen: try: mod probe snd-bcm2835
[22:42] <IT_Sean> well, i live near EWR, so...
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[22:42] <IT_Sean> I don't pick my airports based on USB charging facilities
[22:42] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:42] <piless_> you should
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[22:42] <IT_Sean> That said, United now has 110v outlets at each seat, even in cattle class. Was very handy on my flight to/from England :)
[22:43] <piless_> The cross-country trains here have plug sockets behind the seats
[22:44] <mkopack> BigBalen: sorry that's "modprobe" all as 1 word. Stupid IRC client broke it up
[22:44] <mkopack> God, yes, I LOVE taking the train...
[22:45] <mkopack> Just wish it didn't 1) cost as much or more than the plane 2) take > 24 hours to get anywhere!
[22:45] * IT_Sean was never a big fan of rail travel
[22:45] <piless_> comsumer trains in america suck.
[22:45] <mkopack> yeah
[22:45] <piless_> they have the best commercial rail service in the world apparently though
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[22:45] <mkopack> Taking the train between DC+Philly is FANTASTIC
[22:46] * IT_Sean got several free journeys between Marlow & Bourne End recently as they couldn't be bothered to deal with my non chip & pin credit card for on board ticket purchases
[22:46] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:46] * mjr kinda likes the trains in Finland. Nowadays have wifi too. But the national railway company is kinda a dick.
[22:46] <mkopack> Get in, sit wherever you want, power jack right there, immediately take out your laptop and start working. I even managed to keep 3G coverage for data through nearly all of the trip??? NO flight attendant screaming at you to turn off your devices
[22:47] <mkopack> I'd totally take the train if I had to do any sort of travel between DC--Boston??? Anywhere else it's pointless - can drive there in less time
[22:47] <piless_> mjr: I wish we still had a national railway service.
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[22:47] <IT_Sean> When i do the NJ to VA run, i drive.
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[22:48] <piless_> It turns out privatising the rail service sucks.
[22:48] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[22:48] * plugwash remembers the day he took a trip to cambridge, 8 trains from 5 operators......
[22:48] <IT_Sean> erft.
[22:48] <PhonRaspPi> anyone know a good upnp media client?
[22:48] <GabrialDestruir> I find it funny that the randomly assigned IP for my Pi
[22:48] <piless_> At least the government still owns the rails
[22:48] <GabrialDestruir> is 10.1.1.127
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[22:49] <piless_> plugwash: I think it ends up being cheaper if you buy your tickets from each individual operator instead of one ticket for the whole journey
[22:49] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose it'd be funnier if it was 1.0.0.127
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[22:49] <GabrialDestruir> But oh well
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[22:50] <plugwash> piless_, probablly not in my case since non-advance single tickets are expensive and I went out and back by different routes
[22:50] <piless_> I always end up missing my trains so I gave up on buying in advance
[22:50] <plugwash> advance tickets are the cheap way to travel but they waste a lot of time
[22:51] <plugwash> because you have to leave large margins to make sure you catch your train(s)
[22:51] <piless_> Indeed, it's nice to be able to say fuck it, I'll grab something to eat in this station and catch the next one.
[22:52] <PhonRaspPi> dealing with trains is a big part of why i decided to learn to drive last year
[22:52] <piless_> No more panic over trains
[22:52] <plugwash> anyway it was worth it to meet steeve and hector and get my key signed so I could become a dd
[22:52] <piless_> I still haven't gotten around to learning, I tried a couple of years ago but stopped because the instructor was a bit of a dick.
[22:53] <piless_> dd?
[22:53] <PhonRaspPi> my instructor was really good
[22:53] <PhonRaspPi> i did 6-8 hours a week with him for a couple of months
[22:54] <piless_> 100 hours??
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[22:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> Can play/pause my clock now, can exit the app with the "stop" button and toggle individual LEDs with the number keys for the epic luls
[22:54] <plugwash> piless_, debian developer
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[22:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> PTY.spawn is nice
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[22:55] <piless_> hi
[22:55] <DaQatz> Greetings
[22:55] <IT_Sean> Hi.
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[22:56] <PhonRaspPi> lol my cat loves his cuddles
[22:56] <PhonRaspPi> its cute
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[22:56] <Meatballs> has anyone got a link to the fedora remix download? Cant for the life of me find a link on the raspi pages or the senecac pages. And the installer doesn't seem to resolve any downloads?
[22:56] <piless> he probably farts in your face while you sleep
[22:56] <PhonRaspPi> Meatballs, don't use fedora
[22:57] <piless> Meatballs: they removed the link because it sucks
[22:57] <PhonRaspPi> the fedora image is very buggy and barely works
[22:57] <Meatballs> oh when did it stop being the recommended distro? :D
[22:57] <PhonRaspPi> when it started sucking
[22:57] <PhonRaspPi> debian is the current distro of choice
[22:57] <Meatballs> stick with debian squeeze then?
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[22:57] <piless> Meatballs: they've been changing their mind about the recommended distro every week.. back and forth..
[22:57] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[22:57] <IT_Sean> Squeeze the deeb
[22:57] <PhonRaspPi> deb seems very good right now
[22:58] <plugwash> raspbian FTW ;)
[22:58] <mkopack> Raspbian!
[22:58] <piless> raspbian is hexxeh's right?
[22:58] <mkopack> Debian with HF support!
[22:58] <mkopack> a few people working on it, but Hexxeh's is the only released build, so yes
[22:59] <GabrialDestruir> Sweet... got ruby running with Sinatra
[22:59] <PhonRaspPi> hmm, ive got no sound on debian
[22:59] <mkopack> http://www.raspbian.org/
[22:59] <PhonRaspPi> ALSA can't init
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[22:59] <IT_Sean> and on that, i am out
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[22:59] <Kolin> fedora started sucking long before the raspberry pi was even planned :)
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[23:00] <pulser> ooh, arch for the raspi?
[23:00] <mkopack> Yeah there's arch
[23:00] <pulser> nice
[23:00] <pulser> I need to order my raspi
[23:00] <pulser> RS said that I can now order
[23:01] <pulser> but I'm having second thoughts, as my monitors are all analogue (VGA)
[23:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> snd_bcm2835 likes to spam dmesg :D
[23:01] <PhonRaspPi> im using mine right now :)
[23:01] <pulser> I could probably whip up a convertor myself tbh
[23:01] <pulser> for maybe ?30 or so
[23:01] <mkopack> In fairness, the guys working on the Fedora build have put a LOT of time and energy into it, they just had bugs they needed to fix, and they kinda rushed to get the build out with the expectation that the first RPi's would get into people's hands in mid-march
[23:01] <piless> this should be the raspbian logo, http://www.wilton.com/img/raspberry-spirals-cookies-main.jpg
[23:01] <plugwash> piless, rasbian is mostly mine and mpthompsons work
[23:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> If sound is ever stable enough, I could add alarm functionality to my clock
[23:01] <mkopack> They've since gone back and have tried to get it up to the most recent Fedora build, so there still might be a Fedora build in time for the school year in the fall
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[23:02] <plugwash> hexxeh is building images
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[23:02] <mkopack> and damn good work at that :)
[23:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless: I am in agreement
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[23:02] <pulser> meh sod it, gonna order my raspi
[23:02] <pulser> I'll figure something out RE monitor
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[23:03] <pulser> worst case I'll make an image with ssh pre-configured and listening
[23:03] <paddysteed> How can I do video playback?
[23:03] <mkopack> (although I'm about ready to put my fist through the monitor trying to compile up ROS, but that's not raspbian's fault??? looks like there's something missing or a library is missing a function or something)
[23:03] <Meatballs> debian squeeze has a boot.rc enabling SSH pulser
[23:03] <paddysteed> which packages do i need to install to get hw accelerated decoding
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[23:03] <pulser> Meatballs, nice one thanks
[23:03] <pulser> gonna order it right now, cheers
[23:04] <pulser> sorry, lazy and stupid question, anyone know the current consumption of the raspi?
[23:04] <mkopack> 700 ma
[23:04] <pulser> thanks
[23:04] <pulser> tablet charger will do fine :)
[23:04] <piless> 1500 calories a day
[23:04] <PhonRaspPi> woo audio!
[23:05] <PhonRaspPi> now i just need to make sure this module is loaded at boot time
[23:05] <piless> pulser: where do you live?
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[23:05] <mjr> PhonRaspPi, most distros keep a list of modules to load in /etc/modules
[23:05] <PhonRaspPi> aye ive found it already
[23:05] <mjr> righto
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[23:06] <piless> is it possible to addon a hw clock via gpio?
[23:06] <PhonRaspPi> aaand sorted :)
[23:06] <paddysteed> has anyone got hardware accelerated video playback working?
[23:07] <piless> paddysteed: depends on the codec
[23:07] <PhonRaspPi> i was wondering the same earlier
[23:07] <paddysteed> piless, h264
[23:07] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder what it would take to get my Pi to send me a text when it was finished doing certain jobs....
[23:07] <paddysteed> I have got ogg/thora working, but it is not hardware accelerated so no HD
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[23:07] <paddysteed> GabrialDestruir, a LOT of work
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[23:08] <paddysteed> and you need a gprs module
[23:08] <paddysteed> which costs lodsa money
[23:08] <PhonRaspPi> or he could just use a SMS gateway API...
[23:08] <paddysteed> or you could find a web service to dot it
[23:08] <paddysteed> PhonRaspPi, ^
[23:08] <PhonRaspPi> :P
[23:08] <GabrialDestruir> I was thinking a webservice.
[23:08] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[23:08] <paddysteed> yup
[23:08] <paddysteed> the easy way
[23:08] <paddysteed> or the baddasss way
[23:08] <GabrialDestruir> Email would probably be easier...
[23:09] <PhonRaspPi> indeed
[23:09] <paddysteed> anyway, im compiling openELEC now
[23:09] <PhonRaspPi> many providers do a PHONENUMBER@provider.blah
[23:09] <paddysteed> it is a pretty badass makefile
[23:09] <bamdad> Hi , I just received my raspberry Pi, can I use my iPhone charger with a microUSB cable as power ?
[23:09] <paddysteed> yup
[23:10] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, I might have to look into it, that way I'll know when a project completes.... I should probably setup watchdog or something too.
[23:10] <PhonRaspPi> assuming its the official apple one that is
[23:10] <PhonRaspPi> you need to watch the voltage
[23:10] <bamdad> it is the official apple one
[23:10] <GabrialDestruir> That way if the thing crashes it could reset, check a marked file and if it's still marked send a text that says "Yo hey yea remember I crashed"
[23:10] <paddysteed> usb is always 5v
[23:11] <GabrialDestruir> or well email
[23:11] <PhonRaspPi> paddysteed, some 3rd party chargers are 5.2 (against the spec)
[23:11] <paddysteed> and micro or mini, i cant remember
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[23:11] <PhonRaspPi> micro
[23:12] <GabrialDestruir> Is documentation really so important?
[23:12] <mjr> Is the Pi picky enough to barf on 5.2 already?
[23:12] <GabrialDestruir> Eh bbl
[23:12] <mkopack> It was on mine
[23:12] <bamdad> I think I'll get a microUSB cable for the beginning using my Laptop USB and then buy a hub
[23:12] <mkopack> mjr: I tried a 5.2V PSU last night and it wouldn't boot up
[23:12] <mjr> Okay. Slightly surprising, even with the lack of regulation. But them's the breaks then.
[23:13] <PhonRaspPi> i'm pretty happy with my overclock
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[23:13] <Tachyon`> you have overclocked the pi?
[23:14] <PhonRaspPi> yeah
[23:14] <Tachyon`> ah, what to?
[23:14] <PhonRaspPi> 850
[23:14] <PhonRaspPi> without overvolting
[23:14] <Tachyon`> not bad 0.o
[23:14] <DaQatz> Stable?
[23:14] <PhonRaspPi> seems to be
[23:14] <Tachyon`> what's the default speed, 600?
[23:14] <PhonRaspPi> 700
[23:14] <Tachyon`> ahh
[23:15] * mjr is generally not big on overclocking but the pi can surely use a bit of a boost :]
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[23:15] <david____> arch linux image has it at 800 by default
[23:15] <mjr> having overclocking as default is questionable though
[23:16] <PhonRaspPi> inded
[23:16] <PhonRaspPi> they're doing on the basis that nobody has yet found a pi that isn't stable at 800
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[23:17] <Meatballs> whats the pass for buildbot on the debian squeeze build?
[23:17] <PhonRaspPi> mm 21% overclock, not bad
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[23:17] <PhonRaspPi> 875 next i guess
[23:18] <PhonRaspPi> brb
[23:18] <haltdef> dekstop overclocking is more fun
[23:18] <Pingless> evening all
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[23:18] <Pingless> if I want to set up a clean debian installation on my rPi, which kernel version should I use?
[23:18] <haltdef> 2.6ghz to 4ghz with very slight overvolt
[23:18] <haltdef> <3
[23:18] <haltdef> latest from git I'd imagine
[23:18] <Pingless> I was assuming it was obv. ARM, but a video tutorial I just saw used the i386 -- although that was a virtual machine.
[23:19] <Pingless> so I'm confused.
[23:19] <Tachyon`> certainly not i386
[23:20] <Tachyon`> one of the arm variants, I'm not sure which version the pi has, arm5l?
[23:21] <BigBalen> arm6
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[23:21] <nemo> Your Invoice Total $42.10
[23:21] <Tachyon`> ahh
[23:21] <nemo> yaaaaaay!
[23:21] <nemo> hm. $2.10 in taxes. odd. normally online orders don't have taxes
[23:22] <Tachyon`> at least you don't haev to pay 20% VAT
[23:22] <Pingless> Tachyon`, BigBalen: How would I then install it? As far as I can tell, the rPi doesn't do install from USB...
[23:22] <nemo> 33.63???
[23:22] <Tachyon`> I don't have my Pi yet so wouldn't be of much help, there is already a debian image for pi though
[23:22] <Tachyon`> so why not use that one?
[23:23] <Tachyon`> I assume you have to set it up on another machine, perhaps using qemu or similar
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[23:23] <BigBalen> Pingless: Install it from another unix box, with the SD card mounted
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[23:23] <Pingless> it doesn't recognise my 720p monitor, anything requiring root access doesn't work because the password is invalid.
[23:23] <nemo> a couple of weeks ago that would have been 31??? but things have been weakening
[23:23] <Pingless> I could go on.
[23:23] <Tachyon`> well, you can mount the fs in another linux box
[23:23] <PhonRaspPi> now running at 875mhz
[23:23] <Tachyon`> and blank the root password in /etc/shadow
[23:23] <Tachyon`> so root doesn't require a password until you set one
[23:23] <piless_> Pingless: Take the sd card out, find a sd / usb adapter, stick it in a computer, download the debian image, image the sd card, take out the sd card, put the sd card in your pi.
[23:24] <BigBalen> PhonRaspPi: Going for broke ?
[23:24] <PhonRaspPi> still being careful
[23:24] <PhonRaspPi> 875 is a 25% overclock
[23:24] <haltdef> I used debootstrap --foreign and qemu-arm-static
[23:24] <Pingless> piless_: Thanks, I'll try that
[23:24] <haltdef> lets you chroot and set it up from an amd64 machine
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[23:24] <PhonRaspPi> next step is 900mhz if I'm brave enough
[23:25] <Tachyon`> you'd think someone would make an image with just the base system so people could add what they wanted
[23:25] <PhonRaspPi> anyone know of a OpenGL:ES game I can use to test?
[23:25] <Tachyon`> I think there's an ES version of GLTron
[23:25] <PhonRaspPi> mm
[23:25] <Tachyon`> I'm sure quake and similar have already been ported
[23:25] <PhonRaspPi> anyone know where the quake3 binaries are?
[23:25] <PhonRaspPi> thats what i really wanna try
[23:26] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: hexxeh had some binaries somewhere
[23:26] <BigBalen> PhonRaspPi: I wonder can you find a really small heatsink :)
[23:26] <PhonRaspPi> almost certainly
[23:26] <PhonRaspPi> infact i know so
[23:26] <piless_> BigBalen: WASHER
[23:26] <BigBalen> I was surprised how much heat it emits at just 600mhz or whatever
[23:26] <haltdef> heat isn't the issue, chip longevity is
[23:26] <haltdef> apparently
[23:27] <Pingless> Tachyon`: I was thinking the same about the base system. There seem to be exactly two images available: the Arch one (which is so minimalistic it took me an hour to get a GUI running) and the Debian image (which seems to be set up to have everything kids could ever want to program on it).
[23:27] <PhonRaspPi> only signficantly if you over volt though
[23:27] <PhonRaspPi> which i've not :)
[23:27] <PhonRaspPi> Hexxeh, poke :P
[23:27] <mkopack> Pingless: there's also Raspbian
[23:28] <mkopack> Which is basically a stripped down (i.e.: not a lot provided in the image itself, you install what you want) version of Debian, but with hardware FP support
[23:28] <PhonRaspPi> its such a massive difference from 700 to 875
[23:28] <PhonRaspPi> in terms of how smooth everything feels
[23:28] <haltdef> I call placebo
[23:28] <haltdef> sry
[23:28] <PhonRaspPi> haltdef, try it, its very visible
[23:29] <PhonRaspPi> if i drag a window around rapidly, the redraw is much quicker
[23:29] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: http://radium.hexxeh.net/quake3.zip
[23:29] <Tachyon`> would that be placebo or confirmation bias?
[23:29] <PhonRaspPi> lol
[23:29] <PhonRaspPi> could be either
[23:29] <mkopack> haltdef: Well, I wouldn't go that far??? 700->800 Mhz is a pretty decent OC and can be enough to smooth out some lagging, although I suspect most lagging experienced is from slow IO to the SD card
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[23:29] <mjr> I'll buy it being somewhat visible, but I'll also buy the effect being exaggarated by bias
[23:29] <Pingless> mkopack: Thanks for the shout, I'll check it out
[23:30] <Pingless> ... (rhyme not intended.)
[23:30] <PhonRaspPi> im glad i have a massive SD card xD
[23:30] <piless_> you would need to compare two pis side by side
[23:30] <mkopack> Pingless: raspbian.org
[23:30] <PhonRaspPi> bleh, i need to get pak0.pk3 from somewhere
[23:31] <PhonRaspPi> ive got so many copies but so few ways to actually get it on my device
[23:31] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: That's the original textures and stuff
[23:31] <PhonRaspPi> yeah i know
[23:31] <PhonRaspPi> i haven't even run it yet :P
[23:31] <PhonRaspPi> its about 300 meg
[23:31] <BigBalen> I found my original Quake3 for Linux CD and box.
[23:31] <BigBalen> CD isn't readable :(
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[23:32] <piless_> rpi doesn't have a cd drive either
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[23:32] <PhonRaspPi> ah, my laptop has a webserver on it!
[23:32] <PhonRaspPi> i'll wget it from my laptop
[23:33] <piless_> laziness at it's best
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[23:33] <BigBalen> piless_: Well, yeah. But it'd mean I could get the files :)
[23:33] <PhonRaspPi> piless_, indeed
[23:33] <piless_> BigBalen: You would still need arm compiled binaries
[23:33] <PhonRaspPi> i wonder how fast Q3 is at 850mhz
[23:33] <BigBalen> true, true.
[23:33] <BigBalen> PhonRaspPi: I'm dead curious too. I found it really slow at 700 or whatever base clock is
[23:34] <PhonRaspPi> BigBalen, well I'll let you know
[23:34] <PhonRaspPi> wasnt there a timedemo of it at 1080p where it did 25fps though?
[23:34] <piless_> it's never going to be super fast because arm6 doesn't have proper floating point
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[23:34] <PhonRaspPi> softfpu?
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[23:35] <mjr> PhonRaspPi, no, the pi has hardfp (though not all distros support it for the arm6 - that's why raspbian is recompiling debian for the pi spesifically, so they can get hardfp support, since debian only supports that on arm7
[23:36] <PhonRaspPi> right
[23:36] <PhonRaspPi> does that just require a new kernel, or new libs too?
[23:36] <mjr> new everything that does floating point
[23:36] <mjr> but they've got pretty much compiled already ;)
[23:36] <PhonRaspPi> righto
[23:36] <PhonRaspPi> maybe i'll end up switching to raspbian
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[23:37] <mjr> it seems like a good way to go, but I'm just observing without my own pi so far
[23:37] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: tried openelec yet?
[23:37] <PhonRaspPi> nop, what is it?
[23:37] <piless_> openelec.tv
[23:38] <PhonRaspPi> hmm, trying to open a browser may not be a bright idea right now
[23:38] <PhonRaspPi> i'm on the pi :P
[23:38] <piless_> it's so teeeny weeny
[23:38] <piless_> only a 100mb install
[23:39] <PhonRaspPi> coo
[23:39] <piless_> it's xbmc essentially
[23:39] <chris_99> is it good?
[23:40] <PhonRaspPi> wow this file copy is slow
[23:41] <piless_> it's the sd
[23:41] <PhonRaspPi> 3mb/sec
[23:41] <PhonRaspPi> i can write to the SD at 10MB/se
[23:41] <piless_> you're only going to get 8mb/sec max over ethernet anyway
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[23:41] <piless_> less if you're using usb
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[23:41] <PhonRaspPi> also true
[23:42] <Tachyon`> 8MB/sec? where did that number come from?
[23:42] <piless_> 100mbit minus overhead
[23:43] <Tachyon`> 100mbit is 12.5MB/second, there can't be that much overhead
[23:43] <fragalot> Tachyon`: there is
[23:43] <PhonRaspPi> 100mbit/sec - losses
[23:43] <fragalot> CRC's, flags, adresses, etc
[23:43] <PhonRaspPi> bleeh
[23:43] <Tachyon`> oh, odd, hrm, I get a hair over 10 to my 100mbit NAS
[23:43] <PhonRaspPi> <3 my NAS, it runs at gigabit speeds :)
[23:44] <PhonRaspPi> backups to it take a few seconnds
[23:44] <Tachyon`> mine would if I had a gigabit switch
[23:44] <Tachyon`> I really need to sort that out
[23:44] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: ssd nas?
[23:44] <Tachyon`> have an acer altos easystore (4 SATA bays, ARM based linux board)
[23:45] <Tachyon`> was given it after it failed but it was predictably the samsung drives it came with that went off, ahd two bad ones in a RAID5 array, couldn't recover any data
[23:45] <Tachyon`> one had been replaced previously too so that's 3 out of the 4 drives it was sold with that have failed
[23:45] <PhonRaspPi> piless_, nope - rotating rust still
[23:46] <mkopack> Hmm, wonder if I can find a 2->1 normal USB-->micro USB power cable??? Then I could power my RPi directly off the USB jacks on the back of my TV :)
[23:46] <Tachyon`> just use a phone charger cable
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[23:46] <piless_> mkopack: You reckon they'd give you enough juice?
[23:46] <Tachyon`> I doubt they're limited to 500mA but YMMV
[23:46] <mkopack> Standard USB is supposed to deliver 500ma
[23:46] <Tachyon`> well, supposed to, yes
[23:46] <PhonRaspPi> ive always though t it was a shame HDMI didn't have a +5v line at 1a or so
[23:47] <Tachyon`> I've found most do more
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[23:47] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: mhl can do power
[23:47] <PhonRaspPi> then you could have a HDMI only stick with wifi anbd bluetooth
[23:47] <Tachyon`> in fact only my laptop seems to actually limit them to 500mA
[23:47] <Tachyon`> but I've never tried with TVs so don't really know, wouldn't surprise me if the power was just directly connected to the 5V rail though, that's very common
[23:48] <mkopack> So then a direct would work
[23:48] <Tachyon`> I can get 1.2A from one machine on a single port
[23:48] <Tachyon`> it /might/ work, there are no guarantees
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[23:48] <Tachyon`> but I'd say the chances are good
[23:48] <mkopack> Yeah??? won't know unless I try.
[23:48] <PhonRaspPi> cmon pak0....
[23:48] <PhonRaspPi> woo!
[23:48] <mkopack> that would be cool though if it powered up the RPi when I powered on the TV :)
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[23:48] <mkopack> (especially for OpenElec)
[23:48] <Tachyon`> I'm plannign to power one of mine from the TV
[23:48] <PhonRaspPi> lets play
[23:48] <RaYmAn> PhonRaspPi: it seems to slowly be appearing with MHL on tv's
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[23:48] <Tachyon`> stick a dongle on it and have the TV access my NAS via the router
[23:49] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: You should keep a fire extinguisher nearby
[23:49] <Tachyon`> okay it's wifi but I'm sure it can travel 6 feet withotu buggering it up
[23:49] <Tachyon`> if not it'll be yet another wire from the TV to various hardware, lol
[23:49] <Tachyon`> not that there's a 5v out on my TV but there will be, lol
[23:49] <piless_> Tachyon`: Do you live in a city?
[23:49] <Tachyon`> aye, York
[23:50] <piless_> so there's a million wifi signals floating around
[23:50] <piless_> with only 3 channels
[23:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yay, updated my CPU-stats to use websockets
[23:50] <Tachyon`> aye, although only a couple ar eparticularly close
[23:50] <PhonRaspPi> that q3 binary doesn't work
[23:50] <PhonRaspPi> try to start a game "Expected user interface version 6, got 3"
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[23:50] <Tachyon`> I can always move the router to a channel withotu much traffic
[23:51] <mkopack> god I HATE the new forums
[23:51] <Tachyon`> 3 channels? there's a fair few more than that I think
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[23:51] <mkopack> I love that they split them out into more rooms, but the layout of the page itself is TERRIBLE
[23:51] <piless_> mkopack: I like that theres more catagories and the wideness and the look
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[23:51] <plugwash> Tachyon`, there are a load of channels but they overlap
[23:51] <mkopack> PITA trying to get back to the thread list or back to the list of chanels
[23:51] <Tachyon`> oh
[23:52] <plugwash> so there are only three non-overlapping ones
[23:52] <PhonRaspPi> maybe i should get the rest of the pak files...
[23:52] <Tachyon`> that's a bit of a design flaw
[23:52] <piless_> Tachyon`: 1, 6, 11
[23:52] <piless_> Tachyon`: there are only 3 true channels
[23:52] <Tachyon`> ah, I shall keep that in mind, thanks
[23:52] <Tachyon`> presumably 1 and 11 are the best choice as they'll have other channels only on one side
[23:52] <piless_> nah
[23:52] <mkopack> And of course everyone is still mostly just posting to the General room
[23:52] <piless_> Tachyon`: 1, 6 and 11 don't overlap
[23:53] <Tachyon`> hrm
[23:53] <piless_> 14 is illegal depending on where you live
[23:53] <Tachyon`> lol
[23:53] <Tachyon`> england
[23:53] <piless_> you could try 14
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[23:53] <Tachyon`> I'll see what my router gives me
[23:53] <piless_> you pretend ignorance when the military break down your door
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[23:54] <DaQatz> Military does not care what you know, or don't know.
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[23:54] <Tachyon`> ah yes, I get 1-14
[23:54] <piless_> really? you get 14 with stock router firmware??
[23:54] <piless_> usually you only get 14 with custom firmware
[23:55] <PhonRaspPi> it worked!!!!
[23:55] <PhonRaspPi> and it was moderately playable once i dropped the detail
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[23:55] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: So the binaries did work?
[23:56] <teh_orph> anyone able to give newbie git help??
[23:56] <PhonRaspPi> yeah
[23:56] <PhonRaspPi> you need pak1-8 as well as pak0
[23:56] <PhonRaspPi> BigBalen, it works well :)
[23:56] <PhonRaspPi> pretty playable
[23:57] <piless_> fps?
[23:57] <PhonRaspPi> 1 sec i'll run the timedemo
[23:57] <PhonRaspPi> anyone know the console command to show the framerate?
[23:58] <david____> cg_drawfps 1
[23:58] <piless_> needs a / infront
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[23:59] <teh_orph> any gitters?

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