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IRC Log for 2012-05-26

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[0:00] <piless_> http://www.ralfebert.de/tutorials/git/
[0:00] <teh_orph> yeah as I need actual help - I may have hosed my code
[0:01] <piless_> use a towel
[0:01] <teh_orph> hmm
[0:01] <PhonRaspPi> min:20 max:45 avg:32
[0:01] <PhonRaspPi> with the default demo
[0:01] * plugwash would suggest you go looking for a git channel, i've used git briefly but i'm not an expert on it
[0:01] <piless_> meh
[0:01] <PhonRaspPi> vertex lighting
[0:01] <piless_> is AA on?
[0:02] <PhonRaspPi> hell no
[0:03] <PhonRaspPi> hm, i wonder where its storing its config file
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[0:04] * gordonDrogon waves
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[0:04] * PhonRaspPi waves back
[0:05] <PhonRaspPi> hello from pi land
[0:05] * piless_ soils himself
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> hello from who ate all the pi land..
[0:05] <PhonRaspPi> right so i have quake 3 working on my pi, what next? xD
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> play it?
[0:05] <piless_> 1ghz
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> 1G? Did you over volt?
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[0:06] <piless_> he's at 850
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[0:06] <gordonDrogon> now I have a 2nd, I might try overbolting the first ... (which has been at 900MHz for a few weeks now)
[0:06] <teh_orph> ffs, "cannot send to channel #git"
[0:06] <BigBalen> PhonRaspPi: Did audio work ?
[0:07] <DaQatz> Register your nick.
[0:07] <teh_orph> I didn't have to do that with #raspberrypi?
[0:08] <DaQatz> teh_orph: Not all channels restrict who can speak.
[0:08] <teh_orph> ahh
[0:08] <teh_orph> I'm pretty new to IRC - what does that involve? Is that what all the +v stuff is?
[0:08] <piless_> instead we have a stupid system in which the bot has to individually voice everyone
[0:09] <des2> +v means you are able to speak in a moderated channel.
[0:09] <DaQatz> /msg nickserv help register
[0:09] <DaQatz> For more info
[0:09] <DaQatz> No the +v is voice.
[0:09] <DaQatz> That is just a convenience thing for this channel.
[0:09] <teh_orph> mega thanks
[0:10] <DaQatz> Np
[0:10] <piless_> it's not a convenience
[0:12] <teh_orph> wow I saved my skin there - git checkout "(null")
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> checkout or clone... I'm slowly getting to grips with git myself...
[0:13] <gordonDrogon> I'm trying to keep all my stuff on a remote server (which I own), but work locally..
[0:13] <teh_orph> checkout
[0:13] <teh_orph> I made a remote repo, added code
[0:13] <teh_orph> then wanted to connect to the same repo from the pi
[0:13] <teh_orph> did git add, push - no joy
[0:13] <teh_orph> then did git checkout master and all my "added" code vanished
[0:13] <gordonDrogon> I used clone to get a remote repo to another device. Hm. might need more looking. That's a job for tomorow though.
[0:14] <teh_orph> it was living in a limbo known as (null)
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> but you got it all back though?
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[0:14] <teh_orph> thank god!
[0:14] <teh_orph> now I somehow need to send these files to the internets
[0:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm using git to hold all the stuff I do on my Pi
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> that's what I'm aiming, but I want to use something like gitweb to allow others to get my code - in .tgz and .dev formats.
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> *.deb
[0:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> git init && git add . && git commit -m "initial commit" && git remote add origin git@github.com:you/yourrepo.gif && git push origin master
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> so if I keep it on one of my own servers then I can run gitweb on that server and hopefully ...
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> heh
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[0:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> And that's how you init an existing folder and check it into your newly created repo at github??? I think??? I normally use mercurial
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> anyway off to bed now. full of crab from a localish rotary 'do' when they have an annual crab supper night!
[0:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Eee, crab, my wife is into that crazy shellfish stuff
[0:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> I, for one, prefer chasing down and consuming whole cows
[0:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> Night ;)
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> I love seafood. And cow. Pig. Sheep... etc. :)
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> anyway..
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> zzz
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[0:21] <PhonRaspPi> that was cool
[0:21] <PhonRaspPi> okay, GPU overclock time!
[0:22] <teh_orph> man I still can't commit these files
[0:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> Protip: Don't GPU overclock :D
[0:22] <PhonRaspPi> why not?
[0:22] <Dagger2> teh_orph: pastebin what you're doing + the output
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[0:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> You'll think everything is hunky dory, but it'll catch you out eventually, and you'll spent a whole day trying to figure out why something isn't working
[0:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> spend* even
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[0:23] <PhonRaspPi> isn't the GPU partly responsible for the boot process in some weird way?
[0:23] <teh_orph> http://pastebin.com/dgwcZCDK
[0:24] <PhonRaspPi> something to do with the firmware
[0:24] <teh_orph> they just aren't going in!
[0:24] <teh_orph> I managed to get the readme in via the same method, iirc
[0:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> Firmware brings up the graphics first, otherwise you presumably wouldn't get video out
[0:24] <teh_orph> https://github.com/simonjhall/dma-module
[0:24] <mjr> PhonRaspPi, yes, very weird
[0:24] <Dagger2> `git add` just stages the changes
[0:24] <PhonRaspPi> aha, i have an RDP client!
[0:24] <teh_orph> but then I do git commit?
[0:24] <Dagger2> you need to `git commit` to commit them, and *then* you can push them
[0:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> teh_orph: aarrghhgh Module.symvers arrghh, noo!
[0:25] <mjr> the chip was basically originally a GPU. Then they decided to stick in an ARM core as an afterthought. It boots on the GPU, and the GPU then tosses the ARM something to chew. Namely, Linux.
[0:25] <teh_orph> I am not committing that file
[0:25] <PhonRaspPi> lol nice
[0:25] <[SLB]> you need to push
[0:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> mjr: ???. the??? f???.. wtf?
[0:25] <teh_orph> I did a push
[0:25] <des2> Which is wht the GPU is good and the CPU sucks.
[0:25] <teh_orph> two pushes!
[0:25] * Dagger2 continues reading to the bottom of the pastebin
[0:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> We clearly need to rewrite linux to run on the GPU
[0:26] <PhonRaspPi> quake 3 runs supprisingly well
[0:26] <PhonRaspPi> once you disable the lightmap and use vertex lighting
[0:26] <PhonRaspPi> and 16 bit textures
[0:26] <[SLB]> git status -s
[0:26] <piless_> 30 fps isn't well
[0:26] <PhonRaspPi> i got it to 45 reliably with a few more things turned down
[0:26] <des2> Does 'suprisingly well' mean well or 'he's tall for a midget'.
[0:26] <piless_> match the fps of my monitor or gtfo
[0:26] <teh_orph> Gadgetoid_Air: am I just being dim?
[0:26] <PhonRaspPi> oddly enough the texture resolution doesn't seem to affect anything much
[0:26] <fakker> lol
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[0:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> teh_orph: Did you "add" ?
[0:27] <PhonRaspPi> well for something the size of a CC :P
[0:27] <teh_orph> yep
[0:27] <teh_orph> [root@alarmpi dmaer]# git add dmaer.c mapper.c
[0:27] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[0:27] <mjr> kids these days frowning on a good 30 fps...
[0:27] <piless_> back at home?
[0:27] <PhonRaspPi> IT_Sean, 875MHz, quake 3 works :)
[0:27] <IT_Sean> NICE!
[0:27] <IT_Sean> Going higher?
[0:27] <PhonRaspPi> maybe
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[0:28] <IT_Sean> Yes, i am @ home, piless_
[0:28] <PhonRaspPi> i wanna find something other than quake 3 that uses the GPU nicely
[0:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> teh_orph: weird things happening there
[0:28] <Dagger2> the "detached HEAD 2da1e24" after `git commit` confuses me. I think you're committing your changes to a detached head branch?
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[0:28] <PhonRaspPi> setting links2 as my default browser was a good idea
[0:28] <Dagger2> which would explain why `git push -u origin master` says "up-to-date" (because you haven't changed master)
[0:28] <PhonRaspPi> if i just want to look at a pastebin or an image, works well :)
[0:29] <Dagger2> and I think plain `git push` tries to push the master branch here, so that's the same as explicitly setting it
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[0:31] <Dagger2> (`gitk` may be useful in working out what you've done, assuming it's installed and you have an X server available)
[0:31] <PhonRaspPi> hmm, anyone tried gnash yet?
[0:31] <GabrialDestruir> You're rocking 875 stable?
[0:31] <PhonRaspPi> yeah
[0:31] <PhonRaspPi> played some quake 3, seems okay
[0:32] <PhonRaspPi> i reckon it'd manage 900
[0:32] <piless_> can you fry an egg on it yet?
[0:32] <PhonRaspPi> lol 1 sec i'll tell you
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> You try the GPU clocking yet?
[0:32] <des2> No but he can fry his memory
[0:32] <PhonRaspPi> its still okay to touch
[0:32] <Dagger2> and if you're happy with moving your changes to the master branch, I think you can do something like `git stash; git checkout master; git stash pop` (but do it in a backup first!)
[0:32] <PhonRaspPi> doesn't hurt
[0:32] <IT_Sean> is it still no more than "slightly warmish" to the touch?
[0:32] <PhonRaspPi> yeah
[0:33] <IT_Sean> awesome :D
[0:33] <PhonRaspPi> its now "distinctly warm" instead of "slightly warm"
[0:33] <PhonRaspPi> hows the GPU overclock done?
[0:33] <PhonRaspPi> and whats the stock speed?
[0:33] <piless_> IT_Sean: There's a huge range in between slightly warm and doesn't hurt
[0:33] <des2> Pry the memory off so you can see how hot the CPU under it actually is.
[0:33] <GabrialDestruir> gpu_freq=
[0:33] <PhonRaspPi> well heat hurts at about 40 degrees
[0:33] <GabrialDestruir> not sure on speeds
[0:33] <PhonRaspPi> thats when it feels like you're being burnt
[0:34] <PhonRaspPi> and you start burning at around 41
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[0:34] <GabrialDestruir> Default is 250
[0:34] <PhonRaspPi> http://paste.debian.net/171184/ GabrialDestruir
[0:34] <piless_> change it to 500
[0:34] <GabrialDestruir> But supposedly it's been gotten up to 350
[0:34] <PhonRaspPi> ah wait that was at 850
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[0:35] <PhonRaspPi> brb, starting at 300
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[0:36] <piless_> are we going to get another danieldaniel.. waaa waaa I set the values too high and now my pi smells of burning
[0:36] <GabrialDestruir> We need to create a clock testing program/os type thing
[0:37] <GabrialDestruir> something that stress tests each clock speed and when it becomes unstable reverts the the last stable value
[0:37] <piless_> define unstable
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[0:38] <GabrialDestruir> crashing?
[0:38] <GabrialDestruir> idk
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> Momentarily stable, and long-term reliable are not the same thing.
[0:38] <GabrialDestruir> True...
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[0:38] <piless_> I'll give you grant money for 2 years worth of intensive tests.
[0:38] <piless_> Get to work.
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[0:39] <GabrialDestruir> If your Pi get hots just invest in a fan? >.>
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[0:40] <PhonRaspPi> okay GPU is at 300
[0:40] <PhonRaspPi> lets see how this goes...
[0:40] <GabrialDestruir> Is there a way to measure the temp of the CPU and GPU from the OS?
[0:41] <PhonRaspPi> don't think so
[0:41] <GabrialDestruir> Or do the chips not have that capability?
[0:41] <piless_> don't stand too close
[0:41] <PhonRaspPi> doubt the chip even has the sensors for it
[0:41] <PhonRaspPi> q3 time!
[0:41] <GabrialDestruir> Yea that's what I was wonder, whether there were sensors
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[0:42] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose you could always rig up a couple temp sensors and have them report feedback via GPIO
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[0:42] <GabrialDestruir> or SPI
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: Temperature isn't the only damaging thing.
[0:43] <GabrialDestruir> What else is a factor then? Cause I know heat is one....
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[0:44] <SpeedEvil> Electromigration.
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[0:44] <SpeedEvil> In short - very small wires 'wear out'.
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> At overload.
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[0:45] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm...
[0:45] <GabrialDestruir> I was under the impression that type of thing was from overvolting.
[0:46] <GabrialDestruir> Which was why people like to undervolt their phones and stuff so it survives longer.
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> Nope.
[0:46] <des2> People undervolt their phones ?
[0:46] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
[0:46] <piless_> undervolting doesn't do shit
[0:47] <nid0> without overvolting theres essentially no danger in just overclocking, itll either be stable and fine or youll overclock too far and itll be unstable
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> Electromigration is due to higher current in wires, which may be due to higher frequency.
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> See the thunderbolt recall.
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[0:47] <SpeedEvil> nid0: And that's not always really true - the TI OMAP datasheets specifically give power-on-hours at various clock freqs.
[0:47] <SpeedEvil> For example.
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[0:48] <piless_> des2: some people are under the mistaken impression that undervolting will improve their battery life
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[0:48] <SpeedEvil> piless_: In limited cases, it can.
[0:48] <des2> Interesting.
[0:48] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine it would.
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> For example, if you're playing mp3 from internal storage with the screen off, it may help.
[0:49] <GabrialDestruir> Using less power for the same speeds means some sort of savings...
[0:49] <SpeedEvil> If the screen is on, or you're talking over wireless in any form - network or data - it's generally irrelevant
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[0:50] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine it's a lot like the whole "Vampire Electronics"
[0:50] <PhonRaspPi> right so that didn't work to well
[0:50] <piless_> did it explode?
[0:50] <DaQatz> http://i.imgur.com/uFYua.gif
[0:50] <PhonRaspPi> immediately after hitting the game it blacked out
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[0:51] <PhonRaspPi> so ive removed the OC and come back
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[0:51] <PhonRaspPi> i wish the desktop was GPU accelerated
[0:51] <cromag> Tykling: har du f?et din raspi ?
[0:51] <GabrialDestruir> That idea that while an item is plugged in that it's using power even when it's off, which only recently caused an influx of people buying "smart power bars"
[0:52] <des2> I wonder how much current the overclocked PI uses.
[0:52] <PhonRaspPi> me too
[0:52] <PhonRaspPi> im back running at 875 CPU, stock GPU
[0:52] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntDDKv-lS6IdEY4T3dXWVFDWk9lREdJNGFfU2NwRlE#gid=0
[0:53] <SpeedEvil> OTOH. If you are not running it constantly, and you don't much care if it dies - overclocking probably is not an issue at all.
[0:53] <piless_> undervolting doesn't do shit
[0:53] <plugwash> GabrialDestruir, in the days of PSUs using mains frequency transformers wall warts often ran rather hot even when under no load
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[0:53] <SpeedEvil> piless_: It can, in very limited circumstnaces.
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[0:53] <piless_> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/in-depth-nexus-s-battery-study-brings-about-surprising-conclusions/
[0:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> All the solarized!
[0:54] <GabrialDestruir> I'm dropping back down to 800 cause my CPU is running hot.
[0:54] <SpeedEvil> That's misleading.
[0:54] <piless_> plugwash: my phone charger whines at me when it's not being used.
[0:54] <SpeedEvil> For undervolting to have a point - you need to be running the CPU
[0:54] <PhonRaspPi> okay now for the big test
[0:54] <SpeedEvil> - for example - playing MP3, or ...
[0:54] <PhonRaspPi> lets put a minecraft server on this thing...
[0:54] <SpeedEvil> Simply undervolting it when it's idle - for the .1% of time when the CPU is on - does nothing at all.
[0:54] <piless_> minecraft server needs at least a gig of ram
[0:55] <PhonRaspPi> you can run a small 4 player one on 128mb if you use the lowest view distance
[0:55] <plugwash> piless_, the whining can actually be a good sign power consumption wise with switchers, it generally means that the switcher is operating in discontinuous mode
[0:55] <plugwash> because the power consumption is so low
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> Undervolting helps when the device is running all the time as it has unavoidable work to do.
[0:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've been running my Pi solidly at 900 for days
[0:55] <GabrialDestruir> You could probably setup a HDD swap
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> (for example - mp3)
[0:56] <piless_> jesus christ I read that as 900 days
[0:56] <GabrialDestruir> Get the other 750 of Ram to run a Minecraft server
[0:56] <GabrialDestruir> so did I
[0:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless_: Hahaha, 900 days :D
[0:56] <GabrialDestruir> I was like "How the hell"
[0:57] <GabrialDestruir> Gadgetoid, want to share your code for your Pi site? :p
[0:57] <PhonRaspPi> hmm, anyone know the package name for a jre?
[0:57] <SpeedEvil> dalvik
[0:57] <PhonRaspPi> :P
[0:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: it's a bit of an abomination, but I might be able to clean it up
[0:58] <Gadget-Mac> PhonRaspPi: try sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
[0:58] <piless_> what pi site?
[0:58] <GabrialDestruir> Send over your abomination, then I can clean it up and it'll help me learn Ruby and stuff :p
[0:58] <PhonRaspPi> aha, 6 but not 7
[0:58] <Gadget-Mac> Works ok for the arduinoIDE :) http://raspberrypi.homelabs.org.uk/raspberrypi-the-arduino-development-tool/
[0:58] <piless_> Gadget-Mac: isn't it 7 now?
[0:58] <PhonRaspPi> i tried openjdk-7-jre, no package
[0:58] <GabrialDestruir> rpi.dnsd.me:31415 Gadgetoid's Pi
[0:58] <PhonRaspPi> might be on edgy thought, i'm on squeeze
[0:59] <GabrialDestruir> or would be...
[0:59] <GabrialDestruir> cept it's dead apparently
[0:59] <PhonRaspPi> mmm
[0:59] <PhonRaspPi> web browsing is much better with images disabled in midori
[0:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: I moved it
[0:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> To pi.gadgetoid.com
[0:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> And port 80 :D
[0:59] * passstab (~coplon@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[1:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> And added more websockets, haha
[1:00] <PhonRaspPi> what's on it?
[1:00] <PhonRaspPi> i wonder if i could put a bunch of Pis in a 1U chassis and put it in a DC somewhere
[1:00] <piless_> that logo really doesn't need the R, I don't know why they did it.. you don't have to include the R in the logo of a registered trademark
[1:00] <GabrialDestruir> You should setup a redirect
[1:00] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[1:01] * Delboy_ (~Delboy_@dh207-6-22.xnet.hr) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[1:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: Haha, a redirect back from 31415, eee!
[1:01] <GabrialDestruir> Also it looks like your stats are broken either way.
[1:02] <piless_> these animated status bars were making me feel sick before
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[1:02] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, but the users isn't changing.
[1:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: I replaced the stats code with websockets stuff which may or may not work, I haven't tested it
[1:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> If it doesn't work, it's cos your browser is from the 1980s :D
[1:04] <GabrialDestruir> The latest Chrome tyvm :p
[1:04] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: which release chain?
[1:05] <piless_> there are three latest chromes
[1:05] <GabrialDestruir> Hell if I know? It's whatever official build for windows
[1:05] <GabrialDestruir> Stable
[1:05] <piless_> I'm on dev
[1:05] <piless_> chrome 21 ftw
[1:06] <GabrialDestruir> I tried the dev or beta or w/e for a while, but it was too unstable.
[1:06] <piless_> unstable how? I've never had any issues.
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[1:07] * PiBot sets mode +v Thasan
[1:07] <GabrialDestruir> Eh this was way back when. 3-4 years and it was always crashing on me and stuff. lol
[1:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: hmm, perhaps something is blocking the websocket- probably the cloudflare stuff
[1:07] <Hexxeh> PhonRaspPi: re the DC idea, I did consider it
[1:07] <Hexxeh> I've been looking into how many you could fit into a given space
[1:07] <piless_> chrome hasn't been around for 3-4 years.
[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> The CPU doesn't appear to be changing either, but it's hard to tell.
[1:08] <PhonRaspPi> Hexxeh, you could get a lot into a 1U rack
[1:08] <PhonRaspPi> there's probably a small market for renting them out
[1:08] <Hexxeh> PhonRaspPi: the problem is that the ethernet and power cables are on opposite sides
[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> Uh yea it has....
[1:08] <piless_> oh shit
[1:08] <PhonRaspPi> Hexxeh, btw I tried out your Q3 binaries :)
[1:08] <GabrialDestruir> Initial release was 08
[1:09] <Hexxeh> PhonRaspPi: they're compiled against an old version of the VC libs so they might not work if you've used rpi-update
[1:09] * plugwash has often wondered about mounting multiple arm boards in a 1U rackmount case
[1:09] <Hexxeh> I've just compiled some Raspbian hardfp ones now
[1:09] <GabrialDestruir> So that'd be when it just came out.
[1:09] <PhonRaspPi> Hexxeh, they work fine for me
[1:09] <PhonRaspPi> I'm running on Debian
[1:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: try a hard refresh, if all else fails refresh http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/bootstrap/js/custom.min.js
[1:09] <Hexxeh> PhonRaspPi: if you've not updated your VC libs, they'll work fine
[1:09] <plugwash> you can get 5 port network switches with one port on one side and 4 on the other, i'd probablly mount one of those in the IO plate hole
[1:09] <PhonRaspPi> aye ive not
[1:10] <PhonRaspPi> there aren't any updates for them anyway on squeeze
[1:10] <plugwash> and then just have all the wiring to the arm boards internal
[1:10] <plugwash> with maybe another switch somewhere else in the box
[1:11] <Hexxeh> with PoE, it might work better
[1:11] <piless_> Gadgetoid_Air: ugh they are making me feel sick again
[1:11] <Hexxeh> preferably a board that attaches to do PoE and a serial console
[1:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless_: hahaha, but but animation! :D
[1:11] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm....
[1:11] * plugwash wonders what is wrong with just wiring all the arm boards in a 1U server case to the PSU that came with the 1U server case
[1:11] <GabrialDestruir> Most stable CPU usage
[1:11] <GabrialDestruir> Evar
[1:12] <piless_> Gadgetoid_Air: it still says 0 users though
[1:12] <plugwash> and doesn't see any need for POE
[1:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> 0 users???. weird??? dun dun DUN
[1:12] <piless_> oh shit
[1:12] <GabrialDestruir> There we go
[1:12] <piless_> it went to 1
[1:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, there *were* 0 users
[1:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> I just logged in via ssh :D
[1:12] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[1:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'd closed all my terminal windows to change the colour scheme to solarised
[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> Getting the wrong user count? :p
[1:13] <piless_> the uptime is only updating every 2 seconds, it feels weird.
[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> It should be every second
[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> yea
[1:13] <Hexxeh> plugwash: more for neatness of wiring and cramming as many as possible in
[1:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> I might have to use a more compressed format than json
[1:14] <piless_> cpu load went down 1%
[1:14] <GabrialDestruir> Or every 3.1415 seconds >.>
[1:14] <piless_> huh, I thought ssh maxed out the cpu
[1:14] * PhonRaspPi starts a minecraft server up on his pi...
[1:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless_: only if you use X forwarding
[1:15] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: I'm telling you, it won't work
[1:15] <GabrialDestruir> oh
[1:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have successfully run minecraft-server on my Pi
[1:15] <GabrialDestruir> I guess ssh would work better if my pi was plugged in
[1:15] <PhonRaspPi> piless_, there are very few people who know more about Minecraft servers than I
[1:15] <PhonRaspPi> it can be done
[1:15] <PhonRaspPi> apart from anything else I've done it on my N900
[1:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not much use as anything but a curiosity, and it takes forever for it to generate the chunks initially
[1:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> But once it's got going, it's not bad
[1:16] <piless_> Gadgetoid_Air: So it would make an okay 2 person server?
[1:16] <PhonRaspPi> you could probably get 4 people on it
[1:16] <PhonRaspPi> just don't expect to run bukkit
[1:16] <plugwash> Hexxeh, meh, i'd probablly want hard drives too and most 1U cases only have 4 drive bays or so anyway
[1:16] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: If you get it working, give me the link and I'll hop on :P
[1:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> The estimates were ~50mb/user on the forums, I don't know how accurate they were ( of RAM )
[1:16] <PhonRaspPi> piless_, righto
[1:17] <PhonRaspPi> i might drop a map in instead of having it generate one
[1:17] <GabrialDestruir> Build a stripped downed Minecraft server OS!
[1:17] <plugwash> though with Pis you would have to mess arround with USB-sata converters if you wanted hard drives anyway :(
[1:17] <PhonRaspPi> for the pi?
[1:17] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: already exists
[1:17] <Hexxeh> plugwash: ah, I was thinking about stripping a 1U case down so it's literally just a box and running all the Pis with SD cards
[1:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless_: try connecting to rpi.dnsd.me in minecraft
[1:17] <Hexxeh> and just cramming as many as possible in
[1:17] <plugwash> hehe, I was thinking more about build clusters
[1:17] <GabrialDestruir> Take the bare minimum amount of ram for the actual OS
[1:17] <nid0> *sigh* no iscsi in the pi's debian kernel :\
[1:17] <plugwash> 4 imx53 quickstart boards with hard drives in 1u
[1:18] <piless_> Gadgetoid_Air: k
[1:18] <GabrialDestruir> then dedicate the rest to users
[1:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> My Pi may implode, as it's only got ~35mb RAM free
[1:18] <GabrialDestruir> I need to stop playing around with my Pi
[1:18] <GabrialDestruir> and throw together a root for the Nook Simple Touch Glow
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[1:18] * PiBot sets mode +v ssvb
[1:18] <piless_> 34.3
[1:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> Running...out...of...
[1:19] <piless_> oh bugger, I'm on a nightly
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[1:20] * PiBot sets mode +v Da|Mummy
[1:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> I think I just managed to swapon in time
[1:20] <piless_> it went down to 14 and jumped back to 33
[1:20] * Yammeh (Yam@user-5AF470C9.broadband.tesco.net) Quit ()
[1:21] <piless_> why is it 2 users now?
[1:21] * teh_orph (5ec1a35e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.193.163.94) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
[1:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless_: I'm ssh'd in twice 'cos I forgot to run the minecraft server in the background :D
[1:22] <Dagger2> Hexxeh: the problem is that, after you've bought all the RPis, you've spent roughly the same amount of money you would have spent buying a server with the same amount of CPU power + RAM, so you may as well just use VMs in the first place :(
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[1:23] <piless_> how much do you reckon the camera module will cost?
[1:24] <GabrialDestruir> I need some sort of graphical user manager .-.
[1:26] <Hexxeh> Dagger2: that's true, but Pi is probably cheaper in the long term (replacement is easy and simple, just swap it out for a new Pi and put the customers SD card in a new unit, continue as normal) and it's total isolation
[1:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha, kicked from my own server :D
[1:27] <GabrialDestruir> Hacked? >.>
[1:27] <GabrialDestruir> Or crashed?
[1:28] <piless_> probably flying too fast
[1:28] <GabrialDestruir> Oh right
[1:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Digging too fast
[1:28] <GabrialDestruir> Minecraft .-. xD
[1:28] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[1:29] <piless_> is it custom generated?
[1:29] * Pingless (~chatzilla@sann177038.st-annes.ox.ac.uk) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120313180949])
[1:30] <GabrialDestruir> Cool
[1:30] <GabrialDestruir> I finally have my own user on my Pi xD
[1:31] <piless_> I'm a bad boy?
[1:32] <fakker> i hate my tv
[1:32] <PhonRaspPi> its started!
[1:32] <PhonRaspPi> and im connecting
[1:32] <PhonRaspPi> holy hell it works!
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir> How can I get a list of groups in linux?
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[1:32] * PiBot sets mode +v shaulkr
[1:32] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: link?
[1:32] <PhonRaspPi> it segfaulted...
[1:32] <PhonRaspPi> 1 sec i'll have to portforward it
[1:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonRaspPi: what server are you using?
[1:33] <PhonRaspPi> vanilla on my pi
[1:33] <PhonRaspPi> its a copy of my world from my main minecraft server
[1:33] <piless_> have you guys ever tried tekkit?
[1:33] * nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8-rc2)
[1:33] <PhonRaspPi> nop
[1:33] <piless_> it's amazing
[1:33] <piless_> I'm playing the technic pack at the moment, tekkit is the MP version.
[1:34] <piless_> Wow, so I had no idea you could run a minecraft server this well.
[1:34] <PhonRaspPi> okay its running stable now
[1:34] <piless_> link?
[1:34] <GabrialDestruir> Someone should be nice and buy me a Minecraft gift code
[1:34] <PhonRaspPi> 1 sec i gotta port forward it
[1:34] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[1:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> Eee, java?
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[1:35] * PiBot sets mode +v missPapaya
[1:35] <missPapaya> I can't seem to get my wifi card to work
[1:35] <missPapaya> :c
[1:35] <missPapaya> it shows up under lsusb as a rtl8188 device
[1:35] <piless_> missPapaya: try running it off a powered hub
[1:36] <missPapaya> I don't have one
[1:36] <piless_> buy one
[1:36] <missPapaya> why?
[1:36] <piless_> because the man on irc said so
[1:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> WiFi will probably draw more power than the Pi can supply
[1:36] <PhonRaspPi> piless_, home.phonicuk.com:25599
[1:37] <piless_> bah
[1:37] <jaakkos> missPapaya: do you get messages in dmesg
[1:37] <missPapaya> I also don't have anywhere to plug in a hub where I'm using the device
[1:37] <PhonRaspPi> you all joined to quickly :P
[1:37] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: I got in for a sec and then errored
[1:38] <PhonRaspPi> 3 people did at once
[1:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonRaspPi: I'm impressed by the speed I could join, maybe I should try the java server instead :D
[1:38] * mrcan (~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[1:38] <missPapaya> I don't see anything
[1:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> I compiled up a C one, it's a bit shoddy
[1:38] <PhonRaspPi> this is the vanilla one
[1:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> missPapaya: dmesg | grep firmware
[1:38] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: I can't see yours anymore
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[1:38] * PiBot sets mode +v optln
[1:38] <jaakkos> and just dmesg; if there is a power issue, chances are you get tons of messages tehre
[1:39] <PhonRaspPi> piless_, its starting back up
[1:39] <PhonRaspPi> takes a minute
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[1:39] <jaakkos> i can't get wireless working when i plug directly, even with 1,5A power supply
[1:39] <PhonRaspPi> itsup now
[1:39] <jaakkos> i need to use a hub
[1:39] <PhonRaspPi> now its not
[1:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> missPapaya: presumably you installed "firmware-realtek" if on Debian, too?
[1:39] <PhonRaspPi> segfault
[1:39] <missPapaya> I'm on arch
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[1:40] <PhonRaspPi> last try
[1:40] <missPapaya> and I don't see anything about firmware
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[1:41] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: When you buy a domain, are all subdomains free or do you have to pay for these aswell?
[1:41] <missPapaya> I think the firmware is built into the x86 kernel from what I read but obviously I'm not on x86
[1:41] <nid0> depends on your dns provider
[1:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> missPapaya: I had to install firmware to get my Realtek card working
[1:42] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: I feel so lonely
[1:42] <missPapaya> Gadgetoid_Air: what distro are you on?
[1:42] <PhonRaspPi> piless_, they're free unless you have a scummy registrar who only uses their own nameservers :P
[1:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> missPapaya: Debian
[1:43] <piless_> bah it shut down
[1:43] <PhonRaspPi> piless_, if you just wanna see that map - head to play.phonicuk.com
[1:43] <PhonRaspPi> no port number
[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how legit this free minecraft account site is >.>
[1:44] <PhonRaspPi> not at all clearly
[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[1:44] <PhonRaspPi> they usually ask you to register with an email and password and hope that you share the details with something important
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> supposedly if I get "10 refferals" it'll unlock a minecraft code xD
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> -loads up tor-
[1:45] <missPapaya> lol
[1:45] <PhonRaspPi> just buy the game
[1:45] <PhonRaspPi> its like $16
[1:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah because Minecraft is prohibitively expensive :D
[1:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have three accounts, and the Xbox version
[1:45] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: Just get the server to turn off auth check and used a hacked client
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> It's like 27 dollars last time I checked
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[1:45] <missPapaya> is it possible to run minecraft on the pi?
[1:45] <piless_> I bought it when it was alpha
[1:45] <PhonRaspPi> no
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> They just ran the servers on Pi
[1:46] <PhonRaspPi> it may be possible to run the pocket edition though if we get Android
[1:46] <PhonRaspPi> and the server sorta runs
[1:46] <missPapaya> I don't think I'd want to run a server on a pi
[1:46] <GabrialDestruir> I don't imagine it could run the client without major swap
[1:46] <missPapaya> swap on the SD card for maximum speed boost
[1:46] <missPapaya> :P
[1:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> Minecraft relies on a java graphics library that I don't believe anyone has ported yet, so getting the client to work could be tricky??? although getting 2GB RAM in your Pi would be trickier :D
[1:47] <missPapaya> I think they have an arm port of the binary portion
[1:47] <missPapaya> don't you just need lwjgl for arm?
[1:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> That would require Ogles instead of Ogl
[1:47] <PhonRaspPi> you'd need it for OGL:ES instead of straight OpenGL
[1:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> Unless something changed recently, I haven't heard of an ogles version
[1:48] <PhonRaspPi> piless_, its dead
[1:48] <missPapaya> I should just start reverse-engineering the gpu on the pi
[1:48] <piless_> mmm
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[1:48] <PhonRaspPi> is anyone else on the channel actually using IRC on their Pi ?
[1:49] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: my registrar gives me an option to buy subdomains from them but it's this weird redirect thing
[1:49] <missPapaya> maybe I should put debian on my pi and then try thingsf
[1:49] <missPapaya> s/sf/s/
[1:49] <PhonRaspPi> piless_, then they're a scummy reg :P
[1:49] <PhonRaspPi> i own the domain, I can do as I please with it
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[1:49] * PiBot sets mode +v superlime
[1:49] <PhonRaspPi> i could have it use my own nameservers if i wanted
[1:50] * PhonRaspPi installs frozen bubble
[1:50] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: I can change my nameservers.
[1:50] <GabrialDestruir> Bah that's just cheating...
[1:51] <PhonRaspPi> so they're basically charging you to use their nameservers :\
[1:51] <PhonRaspPi> thats still scummy
[1:51] <GabrialDestruir> It's not incrementing my referal count....
[1:51] <PhonRaspPi> lol
[1:51] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: I use a friends dreamhost server for my main site, so would it be easy to set up a subdomain for free on the dreamhost side of things?
[1:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm pushing from websockets every second results in very sporadic updates, I'll have to buffer them
[1:51] <PhonRaspPi> piless_, if you run the nameserver yourself, its pretty simple
[1:52] <piless_> I don't
[1:52] <PhonRaspPi> im not familiar with dreamhost though, I've only ever rented dedis and done it myself
[1:52] <PhonRaspPi> I have 3x dedis with 24GB RAM, 8 core Xeons and gigabit networking :)
[1:52] <PhonRaspPi> 2TB storage each
[1:53] <PhonRaspPi> prize to whoever guesses what OS they run
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[1:53] <plugwash> debian?
[1:53] <PhonRaspPi> nope
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> GEM
[1:53] <PhonRaspPi> not linux at all strictly speaking
[1:53] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: With the dns settings, the cname and mx and all that stuff, they let me point all that to whereever I want, would I be able to point a subdomain somewhere with that?
[1:53] <plugwash> freebsd?
[1:53] <PhonRaspPi> nope
[1:54] <PhonRaspPi> piless_, you need A records and aliases to add subdomains
[1:54] <piless_> I have A
[1:54] <PhonRaspPi> can you add multiple A records?
[1:55] <GabrialDestruir> scummy cheaters... not incrementing the refferal count... lol
[1:55] <PhonRaspPi> GabrialDestruir, what do you expect? they are universally scan sites
[1:55] <PhonRaspPi> *scam
[1:55] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: Yeah
[1:56] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: How old are you?
[1:56] * PhonRaspPi bets 16
[1:56] <piless_> you should mow some lawns and then buy one of these pre-paid visa cards, BAM minecraft account
[1:56] <GabrialDestruir> 24 but it's entertaining to try these and see if they're real xD
[1:57] <PhonRaspPi> same asge as me
[1:57] <markus> hello
[1:57] <piless_> 22 here
[1:57] <PhonRaspPi> for the minecrafters: are you familiar with McMyAdmin?
[1:57] <piless_> I've heard of it, but I've never bothered with setting up a server myself
[1:57] <PhonRaspPi> guess who makes it :P
[1:58] <PhonRaspPi> frozen bubble is taking ages to load
[1:59] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: So adding a new A record will point a subdomain somewhere
[1:59] <PhonRaspPi> its one of the things you can use A records for yes
[1:59] <markus> yyo
[1:59] <PhonRaspPi> you can add * as an A record to point all subdomains to a given address
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> I need to find a new webhost before june
[2:00] <PhonRaspPi> regardless of the name
[2:00] <PhonRaspPi> woooo frozen bubble is running!
[2:00] <markus> what if it has a really lame name
[2:00] <PhonRaspPi> veeery slowly
[2:00] <markus> will you still use the hoaaas?
[2:00] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: Would that be *.domain.com or just *
[2:01] <PhonRaspPi> just *
[2:01] <piless_> Would it point the main domain aswell?
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[2:01] <markus> i know about domains. i bow to to ntlm = sux
[2:02] <PhonRaspPi> no, thats the @ entry
[2:02] <PhonRaspPi> * will point www though
[2:03] <piless_> ahh thanks
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[2:03] <piless_> I hate www
[2:03] <piless_> At the moment my www redirects to my @
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[2:05] <markus> hejj internt
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[2:09] <PhonRaspPi> theres a lot of cool games for the pi :)
[2:09] <PhonRaspPi> that run well
[2:09] <PhonRaspPi> apt-get install lbreakout2
[2:09] <PhonRaspPi> plays pretty well
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[2:11] <PhonRaspPi> lincity ought to be good
[2:12] <piless_> no
[2:12] <piless_> no it's not
[2:12] <piless_> it's utterly boring
[2:12] <piless_> not good at all
[2:12] <plugwash> one problem with many simulation style games is they get more demanding as the game progresses
[2:13] <plugwash> openttd for example will run on the pi and you can set up a few links fine but i've seen openttd games bring a sandy bridge system to it's knees
[2:15] <piless_> same with my laptop and civ 5 with 20 ai
[2:15] <piless_> as the game gets longer, it just gets slower and slower
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> Okay I'm bored with that now.
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[2:21] <piless_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ZUkJqFmBE
[2:22] <GabrialDestruir> Wow.... 6 million people have bought Minecraft
[2:22] <piless_> not that suprising
[2:22] <piless_> some people like to buy the products they enjoy
[2:22] <piless_> Unlike some people
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[2:23] <piless_> LOOKING AT YOU GabrialDestruir!
[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> Pssh
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[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> It's not worth 26 dollars
[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> It's a 10 dollar game, at best.
[2:26] <piless> 6 million people seem to disagree
[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> Got hyped up, went mainstream and bam
[2:27] <GabrialDestruir> 26 dollar price tag and peer pressure
[2:27] <piless> same could be said about your mum
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[2:28] <Dagger2> it *was* $10 at one stage
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> Really? Are we that childish we're going to resort to Your Mum jokes/insults? .-.
[2:28] <piless> alpha wooo
[2:28] <Dagger2> or uh, somewhere around there. the it was discounted in Alpha, and then discounted less in Beta
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> and then it went final and they jacked the prices up
[2:29] <piless> plus beta + aren't entitled to free expansions
[2:29] <Dagger2> ah, it was ???10 rather than $10
[2:30] <piless> the price has always been in euros
[2:30] <Dagger2> the price increases were at least well-announced in advance, rather than being a "oh hey, we jacked the price up now that it's better"
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[2:31] <PhonRaspPi> so lincity-ng does not work
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[2:32] <piless> try overclocking to 1ghz
[2:32] <PhonRaspPi> lol
[2:32] <PhonRaspPi> it just blackscreens
[2:32] <PhonRaspPi> frozen bubble is playable but has audio issues
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[2:38] <GabrialDestruir> Waaaait
[2:38] <GabrialDestruir> It says I'm not in sudoers.... and the incident will be reported...
[2:38] <GabrialDestruir> who's it report to?
[2:38] <GabrialDestruir> o.o
[2:38] <IT_Sean> Me.
[2:38] <piless_> nsa
[2:38] <IT_Sean> And i have already dispateched a tech with a mallet to deal wit you.
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[2:42] <PhonRaspPi> lol
[2:42] <PhonRaspPi> it reports it to root
[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> Then how does root retrieve the reports? xD
[2:43] <Dagger2> it sends an email to root
[2:44] <GabrialDestruir> Ah
[2:45] <PhonRaspPi> <3 htop
[2:45] <PhonRaspPi> way better than top
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> I'm trying to decide if I want to start work on my Pi Site now or just put it off until next week
[2:48] <netman87> anyone know how long it will take to arrive to finland if i order now?
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[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> Next year
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[2:49] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: He might have an rs code
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> true
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> This year or next year xD
[2:50] <netman87> oh i did say if i order now
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> All basis covered >.>
[2:50] <netman87> not "if i place ticket about my interest on board"
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> Depends where you're ordering from?
[2:50] <piless_> netman87: farnell do pre-orders, RS don't.
[2:51] <netman87> finland and as far as i know there is only one place where u can order at this point
[2:51] <IT_Sean> netman87, if you have an order code, and you order now, you should have it within 4 weeks or so.
[2:51] <IT_Sean> ooh, you can't order to finland?
[2:51] <netman87> oh i can
[2:51] <piless_> netman87: what website?
[2:51] <netman87> i was just saying that i dont know more than one shop where i can order it
[2:52] <IT_Sean> Do you have an order code, netman87?
[2:52] <netman87> Place your order for a Raspberry Pi from RS Components and Allied Electronics today
[2:52] <netman87> We're delighted to inform you that you are now able to place your order for a Raspberry Pi model B board from RS Components. Please click on the button below
[2:52] <GabrialDestruir> So I created a new user for my Pi do I need to add it to any specific groups?
[2:52] <netman87> Your unique activation code is XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX You will also be asked to confirm the email address which you first registered with. This is an additional security measure.
[2:52] <piless_> netman87: Expect it in 1-3 weeks then
[2:53] <IT_Sean> aye, within 4 weeks, then.
[2:53] <netman87> :/ takes pretty long then
[2:53] <Dagger2> netman87: I placed an order with RS yesterday, and the order confimation says "Despatch expected within 5 weeks"
[2:53] <Dagger2> for whatever that's worth
[2:53] <netman87> also im not happy with price
[2:53] <piless_> netman87: They say three weeks, but that's just a gross over-estimation to cover their asses
[2:54] <PhonRaspPi> took 3 moths for mine to arrive xD
[2:54] <piless_> the price is non-negotiable
[2:54] <netman87> it should be 4 eur less (if i order RPi + EU usb powerplug i need to pay additional costs because total price goes over 43eur)
[2:54] <piless_> netman87: Any micro usb mains charger should work
[2:55] <netman87> PhonRaspPi: yeah didnt they have some problems with first sets of them? something to do with wrong part on hundred of them?
[2:55] <PhonRaspPi> yeah
[2:55] <piless_> netman87: They had the wrong ethernet port. But they fixed that
[2:55] <ReggieUK> that was on a few thousand :)
[2:55] <PhonRaspPi> to give you some idea, my board was manufactured in week 5 of this year
[2:56] <GabrialDestruir> 10,000
[2:56] <GabrialDestruir> to be percise
[2:56] <piless_> the scummy factory tried to save money by switching out a part and hoping the foundation wouldn't notice
[2:56] <PhonRaspPi> and it arrived today
[2:56] <piless_> PhonRaspPi: Production has ramped up now.
[2:56] <netman87> piless_: yeah. but it just makes is harder for me... i would love to have set that is ready to go
[2:57] <piless_> All orders should be fullfilled by august
[2:57] <PhonRaspPi> indeed
[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> I hope ramped up production doesn't mean lower QC
[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[2:57] <PhonRaspPi> they've done a lot better than the OpenPandora guys did in the end
[2:58] <netman87> hmm does any of u know any nice'n'working way to stream video to RPi?
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> SMB
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[2:58] <piless_> samba
[2:58] <netman87> i mean i want it like i click videofile on my windows laptop and RPi starting to show it on videoprojector
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> Samba
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> or SMB which is Samba
[2:59] <PhonRaspPi> is there a usable uPnP client?
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[2:59] <piless_> !!!!!!!!!!!!
[2:59] <netman87> maybe something with VLC?
[2:59] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure if any non xbmc systems support uPnP
[2:59] <piless_> I swear that guy has never talked
[2:59] <piless_> But he has the most idiotic quit messahe
[2:59] <netman87> i mean all video files i have are pretty much h264 + aac so it should be okey to play them on fly
[3:00] <GabrialDestruir> Just set them up on a share and launch them from the RPi
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[3:00] <piless_> netman87: Not really, the tvrip scene only transitioned to h264 rather recently
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[3:01] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: No he wants to launch them from the windows laptop
[3:01] <GabrialDestruir> I have to wonder what the outcome of Raspbmc will be, just another OpenELEC or a sort of Debian with XBMC on top.... also I wonder if you could compile XBMC to run efficiently on the regular debian distro so you could choose between like XBMC and X Windows
[3:01] <GabrialDestruir> I know he does.
[3:01] <GabrialDestruir> Could try VLC
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[3:02] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: you're talking shit again
[3:02] <ReggieUK> watch your language
[3:03] <ReggieUK> you've been warned already today
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[3:03] <GabrialDestruir> Hardly... but I'm not seeing anything about omxplayer having uPnP support.
[3:03] <GabrialDestruir> I could be missing it though.
[3:03] <mkopack> ok, turns out it wasn't that PSU that I was using, it was the RPi not liking the SD card...
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[3:03] <piless_> mkopack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ZUkJqFmBE
[3:04] <mkopack> cool!
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[3:05] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, you cant really compare OpenELEC with raspbmc, and yes raspbmc is "only" a xbmc on top of debian
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[3:06] <GabrialDestruir> No, OpenELEC is more stripped down this I know, but Sam was saying Raspbmc would be more refined than just XBMC ontop of debian all hacked together.
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[3:07] <GabrialDestruir> stripped down isn't the right term...
[3:07] <mkopack> minimal required stuff
[3:07] <GabrialDestruir> Yea.
[3:07] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, yes he has recompiled the kernel too... OpenELEC is created from scratch instead take anything and strip this down
[3:07] <piless_> why not just let openelec mature? if you want super lightweight then go with open elec, if you want debian innards then raspbmc it is
[3:07] <GabrialDestruir> There was another phrase I was thinking of but that describes it fairly well
[3:08] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not against letting OpenELEC mature? It's good for what it does.
[3:09] <netman87> hmm if i put up SMB and make little program that send RPi over network path to video
[3:09] <netman87> hmm, but still i cant control video from laptop
[3:09] <netman87> i mean play,stop,pause
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[3:10] <GabrialDestruir> You could use something like synergy if you're going with an x-server something.
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[3:10] <GabrialDestruir> Allows you to "share" your keyboard/mouse via network
[3:10] <piless_> netman87: ssh
[3:10] <GabrialDestruir> So you could control it that way.
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[3:11] <netman87> GabrialDestruir: windows... so i think its VLC or something but thats isnt excatly what i search for
[3:11] <GabrialDestruir> I meant on the Pi
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> if you're using a windows manager you could use Synergy to share your keyboard/mouse
[3:12] <netman87> and yes yes i know many ways to do it. ssh, little trigger programs and so on.
[3:12] <netman87> synergy?
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[3:12] <netman87> but its still sharing keyboard and mouse.
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> It's a server/client program that lets your share your keyboard/mouse across any OS
[3:13] <netman87> i just wanna video run on RPi and controlled/choosed on windows/linux machines i have
[3:13] <netman87> i have fast enough network but i dont wanna plug everything to videoprojector when i wanna watch just one or two videos
[3:14] <piless_> did you mean vnc?
[3:14] <netman87> so what i search is some kind of mediaserver and client for it
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> Something like uPnP or DLNA...
[3:15] <netman87> i have some HDMI + upnp box over my friends place
[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> Unfortunately trying to find info on that stuff is often linked to "XBMC" "OpenELEC" etc.
[3:15] <netman87> but it did only let me browse files and play them by that way
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[3:16] <netman87> is there any nice streaming features on VLC?
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[3:16] <PhonicUK> I found an MMO that the Pi can run :D
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[3:17] <netman87> link link
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> Pi MMO?
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[3:17] <PhonicUK> The Mana World
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[3:17] <PhonicUK> apt-get install tmw
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[3:18] <GabrialDestruir> 8 Bit MMO? xD
[3:18] <piless_> wasn't that a snes game?
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[3:19] <netman87> haha cool game
[3:19] <netman87> i would love to learn more about game programming to make something like that
[3:19] <PhonicUK> its quite fun
[3:20] <GabrialDestruir> I guess the only thing I could suggest is finding and trying out different dlna clients, they appear to do what you want.
[3:20] <PhonicUK> what dnla clients are there that work?
[3:20] <PhonicUK> other than whatevers built into xbmc
[3:20] <netman87> i dont really need shiny plasma effect on every item (like health bar, mana bar, potions, spells and on every door)
[3:21] <netman87> so it should not be too hard with SDL
[3:21] <PhonicUK> lbreakout2 is a good game
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir> Someone should build a 2D version of like WOW or something xD connects to the main servers... but displays everything in Pi friendly graphics? >.>
[3:21] <PhonicUK> :P
[3:22] <PhonicUK> i wish VALVe released the source to the original half life
[3:22] <netman87> something did come on my mind... i can put pulseaudio to stream all audio and play them sametime
[3:22] <GabrialDestruir> "Oh yea you have a great computer, but I can play MMO's in 2D"
[3:22] <piless_> PhonicUK: They can't because goldsrc was built off the quake engine
[3:23] <PhonicUK> thats the thing, quake is open source
[3:23] <netman87> what i need to play pulseaudio stream on windows?
[3:23] <PhonicUK> wow, the mana world appears to work properly!
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[3:23] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe we'll get lucky and if/when they go to linux they'll support arm too
[3:23] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[3:23] <PhonicUK> doubt it
[3:23] <PhonicUK> more likely is that a quake engine can be modified to run most of HL
[3:23] <GabrialDestruir> Yea... lol
[3:23] <GabrialDestruir> too much to hope for.
[3:24] <piless_> they're not going to linux in the way you hope
[3:24] <netman87> haha how many years it have been and even now they are starting to talk about linux support
[3:24] <piless_> the next big valve project is their own console
[3:24] <PhonicUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA9km4aHjzI
[3:24] <netman87> so how long it will take for them to support linux on arm :D
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[3:24] <PhonicUK> that video is of half life running in a quake engine
[3:24] <PhonicUK> there is hope...
[3:25] <netman87> GabrialDestruir: how about sauerbraten?
[3:25] <PhonicUK> the pi isn't fast enough for it
[3:25] <PhonicUK> but maybe for cube
[3:25] <netman87> oh but u can modify source to make it faster
[3:25] * piless_ is stiiiiiiill looking forward to black mesa source
[3:26] <GabrialDestruir> Well from the articles I've read it's not just they're devoting time to take things to linux for their own client, the articles talk of actual steam client for Linux.
[3:26] <PhonicUK> mmm, maybe TMW doesn't play nice
[3:26] <PhonicUK> it runs on my N900 though so it should...
[3:27] <PhonicUK> I'm a little worried that just playing an MP3/Ogg stream muches 30% of the CPU
[3:27] <GabrialDestruir> I mean there's no doubt they're working on SteamBox or w/e they call it, but I imagine their interface is going to be a bit more proprietary than the steam client
[3:27] <nid0> has anyone by any chance gotten iscsi going on the debian image?
[3:28] <piless_> PhonicUK: try legends of yore
[3:28] <PhonicUK> package name?
[3:28] <piless_> none
[3:28] <PhonicUK> :\
[3:28] <piless_> they have a jar though
[3:28] <PhonicUK> ah
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[3:28] <piless_> http://www.legendsofyore.com/jars/legendsofyore-1051.zip
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[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> Hacker up a version of minecraft, we'll make our own MMO! xD
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> I need to figure out why my pi keeps crashing when I try to do big installs but it doesn't crash when I'm watching it -.-
[3:32] <piless_> bad sd
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[3:33] <PhonicUK> woo the mana world does work!
[3:34] <GabrialDestruir> I wouldn't know... still installing xD
[3:34] <PhonicUK> you have to turn off audio, transparency and effects
[3:34] <PhonicUK> dont turn on OpenGL
[3:34] <netman87> hmm i can write multiplayer online game for RPi what kind of i should do?
[3:34] <PhonicUK> netman87, port bzflag to OpenGL:ES
[3:34] <GabrialDestruir> I want to create a multiplayer online game for the RPi...
[3:35] <piless_> netman87: game of thrones rpg
[3:35] <GabrialDestruir> MUDs!
[3:35] <netman87> my own game... so i cant copy direcly game names
[3:35] <piless_> game of thrones is a tvshow/book
[3:35] <netman87> game of thrones game have pretty tricky set of rules
[3:35] <netman87> piless_: tv serie,book,game
[3:36] <netman87> and its registered trademark isnt it?
[3:36] <piless_> yeah but you could choose your own house/faction and then explore the world
[3:36] <mkopack> this one screws that one, this brother has sex with his sister, this one gives birth to a shadow monster....
[3:36] <piless_> mkopack: spoiler alert
[3:36] <GabrialDestruir> I still think Pi Domination would be an awesome game.
[3:37] <netman87> mkopack: haha, im just watching s02e08
[3:37] <GabrialDestruir> I'm only on book three -.-
[3:37] <netman87> book good enough? tv serie is coming out slow
[3:37] <netman87> so i would just change to book
[3:37] <GabrialDestruir> The books are more detailed.
[3:38] <piless_> the book is great
[3:38] <GabrialDestruir> But over all for the most of the first season it was just by the book.
[3:38] <piless_> but if you've already watched the show you'll find the first book quite boring
[3:38] <GabrialDestruir> Right up until the last couple episodes.
[3:38] <GabrialDestruir> But it was the small things they changed. Nothing major.
[3:38] <PhonicUK> ooooh
[3:38] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: the last couple episodes spilled over in the second book
[3:38] <PhonicUK> we can play theme hospital on the Pi most likely!
[3:39] <piless_> PhonicUK: theme hospital has an android port
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[3:39] <netman87> how about MUD?
[3:39] <mkopack> netman: Which one is that? I don't know them by number, but I'm up to date with the latest
[3:39] <PhonicUK> piless_, the android port is based on CorsixTH
[3:39] <PhonicUK> and I had that on my N900
[3:39] <GabrialDestruir> Well the things that bugged me were more the small things which they changed for no apparent reason that I happened to notice. I haven't seen season 2 yet though.
[3:39] <netman87> mkopack: i think its about latest
[3:40] <netman87> there is "batMUD"
[3:40] <GabrialDestruir> D&D for Pi!
[3:40] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[3:40] <piless_> s02e08 is latest
[3:40] <netman87> http://www.bat.org/
[3:40] <piless_> s02e09 in 2 days
[3:41] <netman87> it have some java game client too for COLORS!!!
[3:41] <mkopack> ah
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[3:41] <mkopack> Last 2 eps should be awesome! Crap is about to hit the fan
[3:41] <GabrialDestruir> Ya know....
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> the one thing that bugs me about Linux.... you install something.... and they don't give you a "this is how you trigger what you just installed" type thing
[3:42] <piless_> you what
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[3:44] <GabrialDestruir> can tmw be launched from ssh? >.>
[3:45] <GabrialDestruir> like on the main screen not the ssh terminal .-.
[3:45] <PhonicUK> man lincity really tears the pi apart
[3:46] <PhonicUK> hmm, I wasn't aware that we didn't have X11 drivers for the GPU
[3:46] <netman87> GabrialDestruir: how about u do user@host# DISPLAY=:0 program-u-want
[3:46] <PhonicUK> so the CPU is just doing all the work on the framebugger?
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[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> ah
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> Okay
[3:47] <PhonicUK> *framebuffer
[3:47] <netman87> there maybe something denying connections but atleast that is one way to choose X session
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[3:48] <GabrialDestruir> I don't think this has X anything on it... so that might not work... dratz xD
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[3:49] <netman87> X dosnt need anything for that
[3:49] <netman87> atleast it have always worked on Xorg for me
[3:49] <netman87> well newest ones block connections from X location or something
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[3:51] <GabrialDestruir> I'll have to screw with it later, off to get my nook touch Glow
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[4:00] <netman87> maybe subway baguettes arent best food on hangover
[4:01] <netman87> fresh salad, much of red onion, southwest/chipotle sauce, club (so 3 kind of meat) and ofc cheese
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[4:01] <netman87> meat and cheese double amount :)
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[4:05] <mayski> mm I wish I could have that right now
[4:05] <mayski> :)
[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> for some reason the USB on my desktop is really slow .-.
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[4:07] <netman87> http://jimdalycomedy.wordpress.com/2012/05/24/mum-vs-iphone/
[4:07] <netman87> first part of text
[4:07] <netman87> ... "but when it comes to technology she knows about as much as I do about girls."
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[4:09] <Tachyon`> lol
[4:11] <GabrialDestruir> For some reason I'm not even getting USB 2.0 speeds .-.
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[4:17] <netman87> okey one RPi ordered
[4:18] <netman87> what size of SD card i need?
[4:18] <netman87> filesystem images are made of 2GB, 4GB or 8GB?
[4:18] <netman87> i think ill take 2x4GB or 1x8GB
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[4:32] <netman87> hmm before it was 3week for estimated shipping time
[4:32] <netman87> now its was 5 week
[4:33] <mkopack> netman87: You'll want as big as you can if you plan to use it as a desktop. Must be a class 4 or 6 (10's tend not to work).
[4:33] <mayski> wow it's only 5 weeks?
[4:33] <mayski> I thought at this point the line would be counter in months
[4:33] <mayski> counted too
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[4:47] <mkopack> Ok, I'm about 2 seconds away from flinging this GD RPi through the windopw
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[4:50] <netman87> mayski: well i think they are now sharing 1000 auth keys that give access to order one RPi
[4:50] <netman87> like 1000 of them per a time
[4:51] <netman87> i did get one week or two ago
[4:51] <netman87> so that should keep incoming orders pretty low
[4:52] <netman87> its just shame that cant order more than one of them :/
[4:52] <netman87> i would have ordered 2 for myself and one for owner of metkumods
[4:53] <netman87> he lives pretty near so we do some trading sometimes :)
[4:53] <mkopack> a lot more than that...
[4:53] <netman87> ?
[4:54] <mkopack> They got their first huge production run batches in the last week, so they sent out something like 70,000 invites to order
[4:54] <mkopack> And Farnell is fulfilling like 50K of their orders this month as well
[4:54] <netman87> oh yeah my numbers arent so right :D just something i have picked up from irc
[4:55] <mkopack> Basically they both said they'd have everything that was ordered or "registered for interest" by the end of the Feb29th release day shipped out by the end of this month
[4:55] <mkopack> And evyerthing else that was ordered or registered for interest by mid April shipped by end of June
[4:55] <mkopack> That's a LOT of orders
[4:55] <netman87> yeah its pretty much
[4:56] <netman87> they would just send me few of them to keep others waiting for longer
[4:56] <netman87> http://metku.net/index.html?sect=mods <- metkumods if anybody interested
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[4:58] <anish> netman87: mkopack is right, someone did manage to get a class 10 working but I had no luck followng the exact same steps
[4:59] <mkopack> yeah, it's VERY hit or miss with the Class 10s right now. Honestly, if you want PERFORMANCE, get a small SD, and then use a powered hub and external USB HD (or in my case external USB SSD.. damn near impossible to find a small 2.5": external HD these days. Everything around here is 500+GB and $100+???)
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[5:08] <netman87> i think i have some 250GB 2.5" sata drives somewhere
[5:09] <mkopack> I got a pair of 30GB SSD drives pretty cheap (both had Mail in Rebates, and I had a $30 credit with Newegg as well???)...
[5:09] <mkopack> They were each $59 before the rebates and credit
[5:10] <mkopack> But the rebates will take them down to $29 and $49, and then the $30 credit off that, so < $50 for both total
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[5:12] <netman87> heh :)
[5:13] <netman87> i want 120GB SSD for my laptop
[5:13] <netman87> RPi ... i think im okey with just SD class 6
[5:14] <netman87> im gonna use anyway networt to read files
[5:16] <netman87> okey where is android images for RPi?
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[5:17] <netman87> ofc there is some? :)
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[5:19] <mkopack> WHAT android images?
[5:19] <mkopack> and don't say I didn't warn you about the SD cards.. :)
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[5:31] <Ben64> how long after farnell/newark ships does it typically arrive
[5:31] <mkopack> Ben which did you order from and where ar eyou?
[5:32] <Ben64> newark, usa
[5:32] <mkopack> where in USA? did you do ground shipping?
[5:32] <mkopack> Mine went from Newark to Atlanta, GA and I got it in like 4 days after it was said it shipped
[5:32] <Ben64> california, thought there was only one shipping option
[5:32] <mkopack> nah there were a couple different ones
[5:32] <mkopack> I did ground cheapest
[5:33] <Ben64> Carrier Service: E14 UPS GROUND
[5:33] <mkopack> I'd say to California you're looking at around 5-6 business days max
[5:33] <Ben64> cool
[5:33] <Ben64> faster than RS then
[5:33] <Ben64> and RS let me pay for it 8 days ago
[5:34] <rredd4> what was the total cost for shipping to ca, i'm in oregon
[5:34] <Ben64> Your Invoice Total $42.72
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[5:34] <Ben64> but i think it might be different now
[5:34] <rredd4> it was 55
[5:34] <Ben64> there was an issue with prices and they had to honor some lower thing or something
[5:35] <rredd4> my pi is supposed to be shipped around.. may 29
[5:35] <rredd4> i will get in june
[5:35] <Ben64> rs or farnell?
[5:35] <rredd4> newark
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[5:35] <Ben64> cool
[5:35] <RITRedbeard> I should get one for my birthday.
[5:36] <RITRedbeard> I've been waiting too damn long.
[5:36] <rredd4> Ben64 why cool?
[5:36] <netman87> mkopack: yes. isnt there android filesystem image for raspi?
[5:37] <mkopack> Not that I know of
[5:37] <RITRedbeard> forget that android junk
[5:37] <RITRedbeard> lets get plan9 on this sucker
[5:37] <Ben64> rredd4: you don't have to wait till 2013
[5:37] <mkopack> the problem is that ICS (4.0) won't run on 256MB RAM, and needs hw gfx support (which we don't have)
[5:37] <rredd4> Ben64 who does?
[5:37] <mkopack> So at best you're going to get an older version
[5:37] <netman87> Ben64: bastard. i needed to pay 39eur :(
[5:37] <mkopack> why the HELL would you want Android on it anyhow?
[5:37] <Ben64> rredd4: anyone buying now maybe?
[5:38] <Ben64> 39 euros = 48.8202 US dollars
[5:38] <Ben64> not bad
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[5:39] <netman87> its still more... i wasnt able to include eu plug on my order coz of over 43eur including shipping = additional tax
[5:39] <rredd4> i will be happy when i get a tracking #, at least i will know that it is coming
[5:39] <RITRedbeard> It cost me $112 after shipping and tax
[5:39] <Ben64> ouch
[5:39] <Ben64> ebay?
[5:40] <rredd4> new jersey?
[5:40] <netman87> mkopack: i like android its like playing with broken toy
[5:40] <netman87> i like broken toys
[5:40] <Ben64> oooooh tracking info exists for mine now
[5:40] <Ben64> Scheduled Delivery:
[5:40] <Ben64> Friday, 06/01/2012, By End of Day
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[5:41] <rredd4> did they stick to the estimated ship date?
[5:41] <Ben64> i never had one
[5:41] <netman87> Ben64: which location they did send it from?
[5:41] <Ben64> Spartanburg, SC, United States 05/25/2012 10:10 P.M. Departure Scan
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[5:41] <netman87> okey
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[5:42] <rredd4> Expected Ship Date 29 May 2012
[5:43] <rredd4> Order Date Feb 29 2012
[5:44] <rredd4> Should your order be charged sales tax? No
[5:44] <rredd4> none in oregon!
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[7:26] <GabrialDestruir> Well I didn't get the nook touch glow I wanted.
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[7:35] <GabrialDestruir> I did however get a nice Keyboard + Track Pad for my Pi and the 2TBs I wanted so tonight wasn't a total waste.
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[7:50] <mpthompson> An installer for Raspbian was posted to the following link: http://www.multiupload.nl/1EQA1TO4LN However, this URL just brings up a blank page for me. Does multiupload.nl work for others?
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[8:20] <GabrialDestruir> I have to be the only bastard unlucky enough to crash my computer BEFORE I install new hardware -.-
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[8:47] <SStrife> http://goo.gl/8OD1s
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[9:01] <KrnlPanic> G'd morning, everyone
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[9:16] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps/chapesses...
[9:17] <simonlc> assuming girls are on irc
[9:17] <gordonDrogon> one can but hope...
[9:17] <simonlc> Actaully I've met a few
[9:18] <simonlc> so nvm that
[9:18] <DaQatz> I talk to them often.
[9:18] <DaQatz> But not on freenode
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[9:19] <simonlc> I've met some in a quake 2 channel lol
[9:20] <gordonDrogon> Dr. Sue Black is trying to promote computing to girls too.
[9:21] <gordonDrogon> http://gotofdn.org/
[9:21] <gordonDrogon> not a lot of her blog about it though.
[9:21] <simonlc> The only thing I know about girls is that they go to bars and get hit on by creepy men
[9:22] <gordonDrogon> ???
[9:23] <simonlc> that's the only thing I know about girls, I was just letting you know
[9:23] <gordonDrogon> ok...
[9:23] <gordonDrogon> maybe you need to get out more ;-)
[9:23] <simonlc> but
[9:24] <simonlc> but
[9:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> Girls, on computers? What wizardry is this!
[9:24] <simonlc> linux and anime are on the computer
[9:24] <DaQatz> Well, they like toilet seats down for some reason.
[9:24] <simonlc> interesting, I'm writing that down.
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[9:24] <gordonDrogon> ah well. I discovered girls and computers round about the same time.
[9:25] <DaQatz> Computers won?
[9:25] <gordonDrogon> that was quite a number of years ago.
[9:25] <gordonDrogon> a balance was struck.
[9:25] <DaQatz> LIES
[9:25] <DaQatz> There can be no balence between woman and computers!
[9:26] <GabrialDestruir_> Sure there can...
[9:26] <gordonDrogon> I only got maried 8 years ago though...
[9:27] <GabrialDestruir_> You either get a woman who's equally into computers..... or a woman who supports your computer habits
[9:27] <GabrialDestruir_> Either way? Balance is struck.
[9:27] <gordonDrogon> well - my wife is an intersting case. She sees computers as tools. So she as a Linux desktop, Android phones and tablets.
[9:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's grand parents and computers that's the typical clash of the titans
[9:27] <gordonDrogon> but she's not a programmer.
[9:28] <gordonDrogon> Some years back I did teach my 94 year old grandfather-in-law how to use a computer to write letters as his handwriting was failing him.
[9:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wow, 94 is an impressive number!
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[9:28] <gordonDrogon> he died about 3 years back, but while he didn't understand in the nuts & bolts he could use a computer reasonably well.
[9:29] <SStrife> what's the advantage of using aptitude instead of apt-get to install things?
[9:29] <gordonDrogon> I had to find a sort of joystick-like mouse for him to use and make the screen really big...
[9:29] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, wish I knew... I've always used apt-get and I still use dselect ...
[9:30] <SStrife> it is a mystery...
[9:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> My wife teaches adults, who have somehow been under a rock the last 2o years, how to use computers
[9:30] <gordonDrogon> I think if someone is keen then they'll want to learn.
[9:30] <SStrife> but a lot of people i know, and have spoken to, swear by aptitude
[9:30] <SStrife> but i just dont see the difference
[9:30] <SStrife> and apt-get is slightly shorter to type
[9:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> alias? :D I use apt-get
[9:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have no idea what aptitude actually *is*, it doesn't do anything different does it?
[9:31] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, I was at a fund raising 'do' last night where the monies were going to a local school who were teching young adults to read/write. Shocking statistics that 80% of people in prison can't read/write, and some 15% of school leavers @16 can't read/write...
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[9:32] <KrnlPanic> is gordonDrogon making fun of me? I can't read what he wrote...
[9:32] <KrnlPanic> ;P
[9:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: our standards of education are dropping through the floor, as our irrational fear of our children being a little upset grows year on year
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> http://pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get
[9:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> Can't make people learn, you might hurt them/their feelings...awww
[9:33] <gordonDrogon> I have strong feelings, but am not in a position to do much about it - age and lack of suitable teaching qualifications.
[9:34] <gordonDrogon> aptitude looks like a better swiss army knife to dpkg, dselect and apt-get.
[9:34] <simonlc> I don't like how aptitude trys to keep it's own output clean
[9:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> It always bothers me that I can't "apt-get search" but I don't lose any sleep over it :D
[9:35] <SStrife> hm, yeah
[9:35] <SStrife> but like 99% of times you're going apt-get install
[9:35] <SStrife> which seems identical to aptitude install
[9:36] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, apt-cache search ... but yes - why a separate command?
[9:37] <simonlc> pacman > apt
[9:39] <SStrife> i found an old CD in my basement today
[9:39] <SStrife> it has Slackware Linux 3.5 on it
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> :)
[9:40] <SStrife> Linux 2.0.something
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> My first Linux was shipped from the UK to the US (I was working in the US at the time) on a Sun DC150 tape...
[9:40] <SStrife> i want to install it in a VM or something
[9:40] <simonlc> dude
[9:40] <simonlc> SStrife: me too rofl
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> Loaded it onto a sun workstation, created the 5 boot floppes, booted a PC with them, and NFS mounted the tape contents to finish the install.
[9:41] <simonlc> I'm packing my stuff and found this linux developer's resource disks
[9:41] <simonlc> from 1994
[9:41] <SStrife> nice
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> I think it was the first SLS distro.
[9:41] <simonlc> slackware with linux 1.1.54
[9:41] <SStrife> brb
[9:41] <simonlc> sls is on here too
[9:41] <simonlc> and debian beta 0.91
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> :)
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> Ahhh 0.91.
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> Yes, I moved to that after SLS ...
[9:42] <gordonDrogon> Or was it 0.91r6 or something...
[9:42] <simonlc> it even comes with doom
[9:42] <simonlc> I should try and boot these up one day
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> it might not work on a new graphics card...
[9:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, I remember back in the days of dabbling with linux, the sheer terror as I tried to dynamically resize the partitions on the family computer
[9:43] <simonlc> I actually haven't been using linux for that long, only started using it last year
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> and only use an ne2000 ISA ethernet card
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> none of this PCI nonsense :)
[9:44] <simonlc> I have an increadible amount of old hardware
[9:44] <SStrife> i have a decent amount of oldish stuff, most of it set up for use
[9:44] <SStrife> a 486 with half a dozen sound cards
[9:44] <SStrife> a dual Pentium 200 MMX box
[9:44] <GabrialDestruir_> I need better Disk names than "Big Storage" and "Bigger Storage"
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> My background is Unix from 30+ years ago - pdp's, Sun's (with a spot of HP) so Linux was a natural choice, although I did a lot with BSDi and FreeBSD..
[9:44] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[9:45] <SStrife> a Mac Quadra 700
[9:45] <SStrife> my old hardware is all for gaming
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> so I've never really gotten into the Win/Mac worlds ...
[9:45] <SStrife> so mainframe/unixy stuff is not much use
[9:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Mac is just a successful desktop linux :D
[9:45] <simonlc> same here SStrife
[9:46] <simonlc> recently though I've lost interest in video games
[9:47] <SStrife> only play a little of the new stuff
[9:47] <simonlc> mac isn't really linux though
[9:47] <SStrife> but my retro games collection is pretty big :)
[9:47] <simonlc> wait, they make new games?
[9:47] <SStrife> mac is Mach
[9:47] <SStrife> Mach/Darwin
[9:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> simonlc: once you install Brew, it's damn near close
[9:47] <simonlc> don't they have an app store in osx yet?
[9:48] <SStrife> they do
[9:48] <simonlc> app-store install fartnoises
[9:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> The Mac App store??? ha, everything is rigorously sandboxed
[9:48] <SStrife> Only if you want to use that distribution model though
[9:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> You'd thing the point of an App store is that content could be curated and not *need* to be sandboxed
[9:48] <SStrife> You're still free to roll your own .pkg or .dmg files and share as you see fit
[9:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> But, nope, Apple trap every App distributed by the App Store in an impenetrable walled garden of fail
[9:49] <simonlc> the main thing I dislike about osx is the DE
[9:49] <simonlc> so basically there's no point to me using it
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> Actually I was an Apple fan for a while - the Apple II was the first proper micro I used (Although the HP9800 was before that, I guess).
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> and I liked the early Macs, but when they started screwing things down then they fell out of favour..
[9:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> I use Apple because it's not Windows and it's not Linux
[9:50] <SStrife> I don't use the App Store
[9:50] <Ben64> osx is like the bad parts of windows mixed with the bad parts of linux
[9:50] <Ben64> i don't get why anyone likes it
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> I bought myself an old Apple II recently too: http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[9:50] <haltdef> because macs are very pretty
[9:50] <SStrife> that's a typical nerd trope.
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> when I was planning/testing my BASIC - wanted to remember that old experience :)
[9:51] <SStrife> "I don't like it, how could anyone else?"
[9:51] <haltdef> also far more expensive so they have to be better
[9:51] <haltdef> right?
[9:51] <Ben64> macs are not pretty enough to cost 2-3x as much
[9:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ben64: I'd say it's the exact opposite
[9:51] <simonlc> that's a really cool looking computer gordonDrogon
[9:51] <Ben64> SStrife: thats not even what i said
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> simonlc, it's a really old computer too :)
[9:51] <haltdef> I'm sure osx is lovely but there's not a chance in hell I'm paying that much for a PC
[9:51] <haltdef> YOU HEARD ME, I CALLED A MAC A PC
[9:51] <simonlc> kinda wish I had a monitor like that to hook up to my raspi
[9:51] <haltdef> :|
[9:51] <RITRedbeard> Raspberry Pi is about to get hurt.
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> simonlc, 280x192 graphics :)
[9:52] <Ben64> haltdef: mac is a pc, so you're correct
[9:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> haltdef: that might have something to do with the fact it is a PC :D
[9:52] <haltdef> I know!
[9:52] <RITRedbeard> everyone is jumping on this ARM bandwagon, man.
[9:52] <RITRedbeard> http://liliputing.com/2012/05/via-apc-a-49-android-computer-with-an-arm11-cpu.html
[9:52] <Ben64> a very very expensive pc
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> heh... see that little green monitor to the left... ?
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[9:52] <haltdef> when I was buying a new laptop I taken a peek at what a macbook pro would cost me
[9:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> What can I say, I like a laptop I can pick up from the corner without it snapping in half :D
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> and I'm about to use it to connect up my new Pi...
[9:52] <haltdef> ??1k more than the dell I ended up with for ever so slightly better specs
[9:52] <RITRedbeard> $999?
[9:52] <Ben64> $????
[9:52] <RITRedbeard> IBM Refurb
[9:53] <RITRedbeard> T61p
[9:53] <haltdef> same gen cpu at a slightly higher clockspeed, same amount of ram only slightly faster, slightly bigger hdd
[9:53] <haltdef> for a sodding grand more
[9:53] <simonlc> nice, I love the style of graphics they display
[9:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> haltdef: buying a Mac is like buying a house; you get on the "property" ladder and can expect to sell your old computer for about 5x what a comparable "PC" laptop would cost
[9:53] <simonlc> one color blurry
[9:53] <haltdef> I never sell old computers
[9:54] <Ben64> old computers don't sell for anything
[9:54] <Ben64> and i can pick up my laptop from the corner with no ill effects
[9:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> I sold my clapped out old, old style MacBook Pro for ~??600, got a student discount and a free iPod which I sold for a further ~200??? net price of upgrading to new MacBook Pro ~??400
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> Hm. need a PSU for new Pi...
[9:55] <Ben64> cell phone charger
[9:55] <simonlc> the trick is to sell computer parts when they are still sorta new
[9:55] <SStrife> I like my MBP
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> yea, must have a few kicking about.
[9:55] <SStrife> superior panel to similarly priced clones,
[9:55] <SStrife> superior trackpad
[9:55] <SStrife> aluminium everything
[9:55] <SStrife> trip-proof power connection
[9:55] <Ben64> costs almost 3x as much as a comparable "PC"
[9:55] <SStrife> all the little things
[9:55] <SStrife> did you not see
[9:55] <SStrife> similarly priced
[9:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> SStrife: +1 on the trackpad, absolutely blows everything awa
[9:56] <simonlc> yeah the new macs are extremely sexy
[9:56] <Ben64> similarly priced?
[9:56] <Ben64> so... like... 3 laptops?
[9:56] <simonlc> I'd still just end up installing windows ore linux on it though
[9:56] <SStrife> maybe $200-$300 more
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[9:56] <gordonDrogon> hm. Jawbone charger - 550ma... keep looking..
[9:56] <SStrife> i could have bought a $1300 clone laptop
[9:57] <SStrife> with better graphics, faster CPU, etc
[9:57] <simonlc> otherwise I'm a lenovo fan
[9:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Right, off I go! ttfn, it's sunny outside!
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> htc charger - 1A!
[9:57] <SStrife> which would have zero impact on what i use it for
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[9:57] <SStrife> or I could pay that differential and have a better product in other aspects
[9:57] <Ben64> you know what your macbook pro is missing
[9:57] <simonlc> or, you could have bought TWO lenovos
[9:58] <Ben64> mouse buttons
[9:58] <SStrife> lol
[9:58] <simonlc> it has click
[9:58] <SStrife> lol lol lol
[9:58] <RITRedbeard> buy old T43
[9:58] <Ben64> http://images.apple.com/macbookpro/images/overview_gallery2_20111024.png
[9:58] <Ben64> 0 button
[9:58] <simonlc> it's under the pad
[9:58] <SStrife> you push wherever your finger is
[9:58] <simonlc> you can still press it
[9:58] <Ben64> not the same
[9:58] <SStrife> click
[9:59] <SStrife> you push with two fingers, right click
[9:59] <simonlc> that's pretty awesome, I thought it was just the bottom
[9:59] <GabrialDestruir_> I love 3.0 speeds xD
[9:59] <SStrife> you drag with two fingers, scroll
[9:59] <SStrife> pinch zoom
[9:59] <Ben64> totally not the same
[9:59] <Ben64> sometimes you need a button
[9:59] <SStrife> three finger drag = expose
[10:00] <SStrife> but most of the time you dont, it's a decent trade-off IMO
[10:00] * KrnlPanic wonders if it's going to be possible to port Windows Mobile onto his R-Pi when he gets it
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> and Pi2 springs into life.
[10:00] * Ben64 slaps KrnlPanic
[10:00] <shirro> I love my old macbook. big trackpad is just one reason. I really wish I could buy something similar without paying software tax and with rock solid linux drivers including decent power management.
[10:00] <huene> why would anyone want windows on a pi?
[10:00] <RITRedbeard> if you want HTPC/XMBC go here http://liliputing.com/2012/05/mk802-74-android-pc-on-a-stick-shown-off-on-video.html
[10:00] <RITRedbeard> leave our pis alone!
[10:00] <KrnlPanic> because I'm not you huene
[10:01] <haltdef> WM would need microsoft's help
[10:01] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah, stop throwing a fit because pople want Pi for HTPC
[10:01] <huene> well, that is of course a very well argumented and rational reason
[10:01] <GabrialDestruir_> That's just childish.
[10:01] <Ben64> WM is bad and you should feel bad
[10:01] <haltdef> if the pi used an SoC that was used by a WM phone out there there may be a chance, but it isn't
[10:02] <SStrife> i had a look, there really isn't
[10:02] <KrnlPanic> Why is my face stinging? Oh.. Thanks Ben64!
[10:02] <RITRedbeard> But that has everything you need for HTPC
[10:02] <RITRedbeard> http://liliputing.com/2012/05/mk802-74-android-pc-on-a-stick-shown-off-on-video.html
[10:02] <Ben64> but costs more than pi
[10:03] <SStrife> there are WM6 devices with ARMv6, that's about as close as you get.
[10:03] <johang> mk802 has better decoding support than raspberry pi
[10:03] <Ben64> wm6 is so olde though
[10:03] <SStrife> oh hell...... all the ice in my coke melted, now the bottom 20% of my drink is just brown water... :(
[10:04] <GabrialDestruir_> I've been using my Pi the past few days as a HTPC and it's been doing great, wth should I switch to something else?
[10:04] <haltdef> ew
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> don't do drugs SStrife
[10:04] <SStrife> lol
[10:04] <SStrife> ice ice baby
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> GabrialDestruir_, I'm going to bitch about it because people who just want to plug it into the TV are missing the point.
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> supposed to be hobbyiest device
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> do something with it
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> and because the commerical industry has no product that would be awesome(er) for education
[10:05] <GabrialDestruir_> Suppose to be and actuality are completely different things....
[10:05] <Ben64> i'm going to do something with it - plug it into my tv
[10:05] <RITRedbeard> and I have no investment capital
[10:05] <Ben64> try and stop me!
[10:05] <simonlc> http://www.pugo.org/collection/computer/170/
[10:05] <simonlc> check this thing out
[10:05] <RITRedbeard> but the Allwinner A10 is much better product
[10:05] <simonlc> it's even got a mechanical keyboard
[10:05] <simonlc> cherry mx blue switches
[10:05] <GabrialDestruir_> Dude.... >.>
[10:05] <RITRedbeard> does it?
[10:05] <GabrialDestruir_> Rig a Pi up in one of those xD
[10:05] <Ben64> RITRedbeard: $65 all chinese vs $35 and english
[10:05] <Ben64> rpi wins
[10:06] <RITRedbeard> English?
[10:06] <RITRedbeard> What?
[10:06] <GabrialDestruir_> Technically it's english design...
[10:06] <Ben64> you know, the language
[10:06] <GabrialDestruir_> chinese built
[10:06] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[10:06] * RITRedbeard resists urge to palm his face.
[10:06] <GabrialDestruir_> But frankly...
[10:06] * GabrialDestruir_ is now known as GabrialDestruir
[10:06] <GabrialDestruir> Bah
[10:07] <GabrialDestruir> there .-.
[10:07] <simonlc> http://starringthecomputer.com/computer.php?c=243
[10:07] <simonlc> haha awesome
[10:07] <GabrialDestruir> Frankly... if people want to spend 35 bucks on a Pi as an HTPC that's their choice.
[10:07] <SStrife> i have one of those
[10:07] <RITRedbeard> and kids go without Pi
[10:07] <RITRedbeard> THINK OF THE CHILDREN
[10:08] <SStrife> i added a SCSI card, a 4.3GB HDD, and a Sound Blaster 1.5
[10:08] <Ben64> i'd like to use it for other things too, maybe an emulator would be cool
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[10:08] <johang> GabrialDestruir: think of it like this -- the HTPC crowd is beta testing the kids' hardware and software.
[10:08] <Ben64> i'm sure it could play nes and snes
[10:08] <RITRedbeard> I'd like to see a power efficient version
[10:08] <GabrialDestruir> How many children do you actually know of that ordered a Pi at launch with expectations to get and play with it? The current buying/production has NO affect what so ever on the educational release for the children.
[10:08] <simonlc> a t3100/20 SStrife ?
[10:09] <RITRedbeard> Schools haven't ordered anything.
[10:09] <SStrife> Ben64: it does run those quite nicely,
[10:09] <RITRedbeard> I'm not going to have this argument with you.
[10:09] <SStrife> even runs DOSBos and ScummVM well
[10:09] <Ben64> SStrife: already?
[10:09] <Ben64> i haven't kept up with stuff since i don't have my pi yet
[10:09] <SStrife> simonlc: Yeah, a T3200 actually, but physically nearly identical
[10:09] <RITRedbeard> There are cool uses but the circuit design prevents a few.
[10:09] <RITRedbeard> Assuming if what I heard about power draw is correct.
[10:09] <SStrife> Ben64: It's a linux box, it will run anything you can compile
[10:10] <Ben64> but its arm
[10:10] <SStrife> Ben64: Running them well or not is another question ;)
[10:10] <Ben64> most stuff is for x86
[10:10] <Ben64> and emulators are pretty strange creatures
[10:10] <SStrife> source code is platform agnostic
[10:10] <SStrife> unless it contains assembler
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> Ben64, most stuff is not written in x86 assembler.
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[10:11] <gordonDrogon> the biggest issue will be with proprietary systems who're not prepared to release source or re-compile for ARM.
[10:11] <RITRedbeard> That's the Foundation's biggest problem.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> however, there's very very few things like that where you'd actually want to run it on a Pi.
[10:11] <simonlc> high level rograming languages like C abstract the cpu away so you can usually run the software on any archetecture
[10:11] <GabrialDestruir> Bah... this crowd is up in arms over sill stuff.... just this morning I got yelled at BECAUSE I was tinkering with my Pi
[10:11] <RITRedbeard> They don't understand Open Source, it is an end rather than a means.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> the stuff I see is like very big chip-design packages, pcb layout, etc.
[10:11] <RITRedbeard> They're shooting themselves in the foot.
[10:12] <SStrife> simonlc: Getting the SCSI gear in there was fun, I had make a space for the cable to run from the expansion card area to where the HDD lives
[10:12] * KrnlPanic wonders when he's going to et his Pi.. :(
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> no-one is going to port a simulation package to the Pi when it needs 32GB of RAM on a high-end x86 patform...
[10:12] <Ben64> you should eat it whenever you want
[10:13] <simonlc> do you by any chance have a picture of its insides SStrife ?
[10:13] <SStrife> no, not handy
[10:13] <SStrife> I can probably do some up tomorrow though :)
[10:13] <simonlc> :D
[10:16] <GabrialDestruir> SHUN SHUN THE NONBELIEVER!!!
[10:16] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[10:16] <SStrife> man
[10:16] <SStrife> i'm bummed about this drink
[10:16] <SStrife> i was really enjoying it
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, it's just coke... get something proper - like coffee!
[10:17] <SStrife> ungh
[10:17] <SStrife> my coffee machine is broken
[10:17] <SStrife> it's probably just the fuse
[10:17] <simonlc> french press
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> inprovise - you just need a seive if you make from grounds ...
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> yea, or a french press.
[10:18] <SStrife> hmm
[10:18] <SStrife> i dont have a press
[10:18] <SStrife> well, i did.......thanks cat.....
[10:18] <SStrife> seive though, that could work
[10:18] <simonlc> I just eat raw beans
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/officeFire.jpg
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[10:19] <gordonDrogon> raw beans's give you the runs...
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> that's my winter office coffee machine...
[10:19] <simonlc> well I'm always constipated, so it balances out
[10:20] <KrnlPanic> simonlc: Eat more lettuce
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[10:20] <gordonDrogon> My office :) http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/office.jpg
[10:20] <SStrife> gordonDrogon that is fantastic.
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> actually that was last years office, I've re-arranged it since then.
[10:21] <simonlc> nice
[10:21] <SStrife> mostly because you have a fireplace in your office
[10:21] <simonlc> I need more desks like that
[10:21] <KrnlPanic> Did you put the boxes somewhere else?
[10:21] <SStrife> i have to use a reverse cycle aircon
[10:21] <SStrife> dries the air
[10:21] <SStrife> expensive to run
[10:21] <SStrife> no ambient glow
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> the fire? No - We have lots of wood mostly free.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> and I have a chainsaw in my shed :)
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[10:22] <SStrife> i mean my aircon
[10:22] <SStrife> it's expensive to run
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[10:22] <gordonDrogon> I don't have AC - just open the windows - although I've just closed them as there is a cool breeze blowing this morning.
[10:22] <SStrife> if I had a slow combustion heater, i'd be set, my folks have a decent size property, all the wood I'd need
[10:23] <simonlc> http://i.imgur.com/T9Y3E.jpg
[10:23] <SStrife> i need AC in summer here, because the humidity is crazy
[10:23] <simonlc> that's my 'office'
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> I mostly burn the boxes, the they produce a lot of ash.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I can see your desktop... you have space on it ... and under it... what's wrong?
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> the only musical instrument I have is a didgeridoo.
[10:24] <simonlc> that's after I cleaned it, it never stays like that for long
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:25] <shirro> I took my fireplace out and knocked the surrounding brickwork down with a sledge hammer so I would have more room for bookcases. Is only cold enough to use it a few days a year, too much effort to clean.
[10:25] <simonlc> right now I have pi stuff everywhere and all my tools on the floor cause I'm packing
[10:25] <SStrife> ah
[10:26] <SStrife> i finally found a panorama-stitching program that doesn't kill quality
[10:26] <simonlc> i use photoshop for that :D
[10:26] <KrnlPanic> I use my HTC Doubleshot for that
[10:26] <simonlc> unless you take really straight pictures, it turns to shit
[10:27] <SStrife> i dont have the patience to do panoramas in photoshop
[10:27] <simonlc> it's automated
[10:27] <SStrife> oh?
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> Ah, found piccie of curent desk location: http://unicorn.drogon.net/office1.jpg
[10:27] <SStrife> i havent used proper photoshop in ages
[10:27] <SStrife> just lightroom these days
[10:27] <simonlc> I always touch up my photos with it, though I've not used lightroom yet
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I have a Kazoo as well as the didgeridoo.
[10:28] <simonlc> oh right, that's what those are called
[10:28] <simonlc> saw some at the music store with my mom and was tryingto explain what it was
[10:28] <SStrife> http://i.imgur.com/tondI.jpg
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[10:29] <simonlc> nice
[10:29] <SStrife> i use decent rectilinear lenses, which helps a lot
[10:29] <simonlc> that's a pretty sexy plane
[10:29] <SStrife> no distortion to try to correct
[10:29] <KrnlPanic> I have a Jaw harp
[10:29] <KrnlPanic> I love it
[10:29] <simonlc> < piano and guitar
[10:29] <SStrife> the thing that impressed me most about the 787
[10:29] <SStrife> was how damn quiet it was
[10:30] <simonlc> interesting
[10:30] <SStrife> couldn't even hear the reverse thrust
[10:30] <simonlc> I love the wings on it, it definitely looks like an upgrade the some of the older boeings
[10:30] <KrnlPanic> You guys are weird
[10:30] <SStrife> despite being able to easily hear the reverse thrust on little 737's and A320s
[10:31] <SStrife> should see how much the wings flex
[10:31] <simonlc> damn gordonDrogon you have 3 phones on your desk... why
[10:31] <SStrife> http://www.flickr.com/photos/squallstrife/7271668898/in/set-72157629900090584
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> simonlc, I sort of run a little VoIP company.
[10:32] <simonlc> ah, like your own isp sorta thing?
[10:32] <SStrife> http://www.flickr.com/photos/squallstrife/7271637882/in/set-72157629900090584
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> that too.
[10:32] <KrnlPanic> Big-Al: The same Big-Al from undernet? (#visualbasic/#vb?)
[10:32] <simonlc> I like the pic with the wheels out, it looks so cute
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> one day I'll update my website though )-:
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> because I'm really trying to stop running a little VoIP company...
[10:33] <simonlc> hey! I design websites hint hint
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[10:34] <gordonDrogon> yea :) Trouble is, I'm a geek, and when did a geek every pay someone to do their own website :)
[10:35] <GabrialDestruir> Who said he'd get paid? >.>
[10:35] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> Actually, a couple of my customers are web designer type companies too...
[10:35] <simonlc> well honestly most geeks are usually programers and stick at design
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> hewever they've always seemed too busy... which is good, I guess.
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> I freely admit I'm rubbish as design!
[10:35] <simonlc> SStrife this was my last pano http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpb8ghz74L1qa47eno1_r1_1280.jpg
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> doesn't stop me trying though :)
[10:36] <simonlc> I filled in the missing edges with content aware fill, and shopped out the people
[10:36] <SStrife> thats nice
[10:36] <KrnlPanic> gordonDrogon: That's why there's templates.. :)
[10:36] <SStrife> sorry
[10:36] <SStrife> i didnt mean that in a facetious way at all
[10:36] <SStrife> i love it
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, that's what I use :)
[10:37] <SStrife> i meant it like "thats niiiiice
[10:37] <simonlc> don't worry
[10:37] <simonlc> lol
[10:37] <SStrife> damn text medium
[10:37] <simonlc> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpbctiR7H71qa47eno1_1280.jpg
[10:37] <simonlc> that's my fav from that place
[10:37] <SStrife> it's beautiful
[10:37] <SStrife> where is it?
[10:38] <simonlc> johnston canyon in alberta canada
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> Heh. just realised I've booted my new Pi with my backup SD card - and it's overclocked it to 900MHz by default :)
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir> heh
[10:38] <SStrife> simonlc: awesome :)
[10:38] <simonlc> oh, I totally forgot to benchmark quake 3 with over clocks
[10:39] <RITRedbeard> benchmark open arena
[10:39] <RITRedbeard> benchmark everything
[10:39] <simonlc> that game doesn't work on the pi
[10:39] <simonlc> afaik
[10:39] <RITRedbeard> compile it for pi
[10:39] <simonlc> it wont
[10:39] <simonlc> also I don't like oa
[10:41] <SStrife> someone would need to modify oa for OpenGL ES
[10:41] <simonlc> http://simon.lc/assets/qc/1s.jpg
[10:41] <simonlc> there's my plane pic
[10:41] <RITRedbeard> bleh
[10:41] <SStrife> cools
[10:41] <SStrife> which airport is that at?
[10:42] <simonlc> dfw
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> It's just a plane. can't get excited about them anymore. not after concord.
[10:42] <simonlc> (dallas)
[10:42] <SStrife> cools
[10:42] <SStrife> there was only one airport that really impressed me
[10:42] <SStrife> that was McCarran
[10:42] <simonlc> I love planes, just imagine the work it takes to build one
[10:42] <simonlc> it's crazy
[10:42] <SStrife> slots while-you-wait :D
[10:43] <SStrife> brb, dinner
[10:43] <simonlc> and then think, that it can take you across the country in HOURS
[10:43] <simonlc> dfw has a monorail though SStrife
[10:43] <simonlc> A MONORAIL
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> ok, one pi running std. debian, then other raspbian. nice to do direct compares.
[10:45] <RITRedbeard> wait what?
[10:45] <RITRedbeard> you have two?
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[10:45] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[10:45] <RITRedbeard> isn't that against the rules?
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> no
[10:45] <RITRedbeard> 1 per order
[10:45] <KrnlPanic> wth! I don't even have one yet!
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> I only did one per order.
[10:45] <RITRedbeard> KrnlPanic, don't worry
[10:45] <RITRedbeard> VIA is already gearing up to smash the Pi
[10:45] <KrnlPanic> I was told mine would ship in April then I was told October
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> I ordered once from Farnell. Once from RS and Once from eBay.
[10:45] <RITRedbeard> and chinese companies are coming out with SoC stuff
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> I've had my ebay one for 4 weeks now...
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> my Farnell one came yesterday and my RS one will be here soon... a week or 2 at most.
[10:46] <KrnlPanic> Yeah, But I'd rather support the Raspberri Pi foundation
[10:46] <simonlc> I got mine from rs for registering my interest
[10:46] <RITRedbeard> They're inept.
[10:46] <RITRedbeard> And I'm being kind in my language.
[10:47] <RITRedbeard> They don't support open source software and they don't know how to support education or deliver product since they are a business. (fact)
[10:47] <RITRedbeard> So I would not support them at this time.
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> I am supporting the foundation.
[10:47] <simonlc> ^ I really like raspi because of that
[10:47] * KrnlPanic agrees with RITRedbeard
[10:47] <RITRedbeard> Until we get open source drivers for PowerVR.
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> all 3 were bought via legit. channels which puts money their way.
[10:47] <RITRedbeard> Which is probably never.
[10:48] <RITRedbeard> Or until people decide to slowly and painfully reverse engineer the binary blobs.
[10:48] <simonlc> how much was your ebay pi?
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> ?105.
[10:48] <RITRedbeard> But Mali has driver work in progress.
[10:48] <simonlc> wow you really wanted one
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> While I write and support open source, I'm not in a real hurry to pursue them for source for the binary blobs. I think it's just a distraction at this point.
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> Yes, I really wanted one, and that was a price I was willing to pay.
[10:49] <RITRedbeard> KrnlPanic: http://liliputing.com/2012/05/74-pc-on-a-stick-features-allwinner-a10-cpu-android-4-0.html
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, they're nice little things, but not Raspberry Pi's.
[10:49] <RITRedbeard> php
[10:49] <RITRedbeard> They're better.
[10:49] <RITRedbeard> They're 110% faster clock for clock or something like that.
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> there are lots and lots of "nice little things", but none of them are Pi's.
[10:50] <RITRedbeard> ok so you're a zealot
[10:50] <RITRedbeard> gotcha
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> so? They're still not Pi's.
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> I'm someone with limited resources and time. I can only concentrate on a small number of projects at a time and I've devided that the Pi is one of them - for now.
[10:51] <RITRedbeard> Oh, okay.
[10:51] <RITRedbeard> Well, I'm sure they will be as exciting as your Arduino projects and your BASIC Stamp projects before that.
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> There are dozens of alternatives - e.g. anothe system I've done a lot with is the ALIX boards. I've made little PBXs and routers out of them. Great little boxes.
[10:51] * RITRedbeard shrugs.
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> and in some way superior to the Pi, but also not a Pi.
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> also more expensive )-:
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> but they're x86...
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> AMD Geode processor @ 500MHz. Feels a lot faster than the Pi, but I've never benchmarked it.
[10:52] <RITRedbeard> Eben lied, children died (without proper education).
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> The Pi is here, it'll be here for a few years at least, so lets make the most of it.
[10:53] <RITRedbeard> Moore's Law!
[10:53] <RITRedbeard> O_O
[10:53] <KrnlPanic> The latest email: Dear Thomas,
[10:53] <KrnlPanic> We're excited to inform you that your Raspberry Pi will be delivered in an upcoming shipment beginning the week of May 29th.
[10:54] <RITRedbeard> I haven't even received an email.
[10:54] <KrnlPanic> o_O That's this Tuesday!
[10:54] <RITRedbeard> Probably just going to get an A10 and reverse engineer the blob myself
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> I even looked at these recently:
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/308349006-Free-shipping-7-inch-Wifi-laptop-Android-2-2-Wholesales-Dropship-netbook-4GB-Capacity-wholesalers.html
[10:54] <RITRedbeard> or help the guys working on the Mali
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> I mean, 2 whole laptops for under ?100! keyboard, screen, the lot!
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, hurrah :) That's Farnell?
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[10:56] <gordonDrogon> those little laptops would run my BASIC perfectly. Imagine having a self-comtained micro like that running BASIC again :)
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> And I may buy a couple yet, just for fun.
[10:57] <KrnlPanic> gordonDrogon: That's Newark
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, ah, ok. IS that RS in the US?
[10:57] <KrnlPanic> gordonDrogon: *shrug*
[10:57] <KrnlPanic> LoL
[10:58] <KrnlPanic> I'm not sure really, when I got the email that I could order one I was so excited I just started hitting buttons
[10:58] <KrnlPanic> Element14
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, Oh no - Newark is Farnell/element 14.
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> they ship by 2nd class letter post over here, so good luck ...
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> hey - isn't it middle of the night time in the US? go to bed :)
[10:59] <RITRedbeard> gordonDrogon, I'm not a hater, I wish the drivers were more accessable
[10:59] <RITRedbeard> it would be great to design games with RPi in mind
[10:59] <RITRedbeard> and less power consumption
[10:59] <RITRedbeard> and better avaliability
[11:00] <KrnlPanic> LoLL.. Wish I could gordonDrogon.. Stuck at work until noon
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, I do too - but who has the time and resources? I did once work for a company producing a massively parallel GPU and supercomputer grid onna chip thing - stupidly complex to program. Best left to the experts...
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> as for games - just use the published APIs - that way the game will run on other Linux platforms, and even Win/Mac.
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> If quake 3 is fast enough using the published APIs ...
[11:01] <KrnlPanic> Quake3 will run on the Pi?
[11:01] <simonlc> it does
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> it appears to do so.
[11:01] <simonlc> 60fps
[11:01] <simonlc> 4xaa 1080p
[11:02] <RITRedbeard> turn off vsync
[11:02] <RITRedbeard> ?
[11:02] <simonlc> can't
[11:02] <KrnlPanic> Not bad for a $35 device
[11:02] <simonlc> afaik, vsync and aa can't be turned off
[11:02] <RITRedbeard> :(
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> what's 'aa' ?
[11:02] <SStrife> simonlc: Orlando Int'l has a monorail too
[11:02] <RITRedbeard> anti-aliasing
[11:02] <simonlc> anti-aliasing
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[11:02] <SStrife> and Reagan, I think.
[11:03] <SStrife> i passed through so many, it was all a bit of a blur
[11:03] <simonlc> haha I was just kidding
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> Hm. raspbian is marginally slower at compiling than Debian. I wonder if thats because it's a newer compiler, so doing more.
[11:03] <KrnlPanic> uBuntu will run on the Pi?
[11:03] <shirro> which gcc version?
[11:03] <SStrife> our airports in Aus are all tiny my comparison
[11:04] <SStrife> by*
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5
[11:04] <simonlc> ubuntu doesn't support the old version of arm used in the raspi KrnlPanic
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> gcc (Debian 4.6.3-1.1+rpi2) 4.6.3
[11:05] <Viperfang> Morning all
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> What Ho!
[11:05] <Viperfang> tennis racket
[11:06] <shirro> you have 4.4, 4.5, 4.6 and 4.7 to play with. some things are slower. I think some openssl tests were slower but might be due to different versions. Also probably has some more secure library/compiler settings
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I thought 4.7 was there. wonder why it's defaulted to 4.6.
[11:06] <Elfish> i cloned a git repo. how to update if there were changes made?
[11:06] <simonlc> git pull?
[11:07] <nid0> anyone happen to have the arch image running atm and their pi handy?
[11:07] <simonlc> me
[11:07] <Elfish> simonlc thx
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> right time for a break.
[11:07] <shirro> clang is there as well but it can't find libs in /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ so you have to mess around with things until it is fixed
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> laters.
[11:07] <simonlc> bb
[11:07] <nid0> could you check whether the kernel has iscsi_tcp either compiled in or as a module please?
[11:07] <simonlc> if you tell me how, yes
[11:08] <KrnlPanic> Welp, gonna go hide in the server room for about an hour and take a nap.. G'night all.. back leter
[11:08] <KrnlPanic> s/leter/later
[11:08] <SStrife> a friend at work got Pi to run with an NFS root
[11:08] <SStrife> that would be handy
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[11:09] <simonlc> nice
[11:09] <simonlc> alarm had netfs started by default which I though was weird
[11:10] <simonlc> but it gave me the same idea
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[11:10] <SStrife> he said it's still faster than using an SD card hahaha
[11:10] <nid0> simonlc: modprobe --list|grep
[11:10] <nid0> simonlc: modprobe --list|grep iscsi
[11:10] <nid0> 2nd one
[11:11] <nid0> SStrife thats largely my plan as well but over iscsi rather than nfs, but the debian image has no iscsi in the kernel
[11:11] <simonlc> --list isn't an option
[11:11] <SStrife> would there be much of a difference, in practice?
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[11:13] <ill1cit> i love you guys :D
[11:13] <ill1cit> always so ampted
[11:14] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if XBMC stores the Now playing information anywhere fetchable.....
[11:14] <ill1cit> what is XBMC
[11:14] <simonlc> media player software
[11:15] <ill1cit> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok
[11:15] <SStrife> it would be accessible on a socket, i imagine
[11:15] <ill1cit> no idea does it have a api?
[11:15] <GabrialDestruir> The Forbidden Media Player Software
[11:15] <ill1cit> anyway what i know about computers is dangerous
[11:15] <simonlc> xbocks
[11:15] <ill1cit> muwahahahahahha
[11:15] <ill1cit> ok going to starbucks now
[11:15] <ill1cit> catch you on the fliiiiiiiip side
[11:15] <ill1cit> bye
[11:16] <ill1cit> *waves*
[11:16] <SStrife> i wish there was a starbucks near me
[11:16] * simonlc waves back
[11:16] <simonlc> I need to open a franchise called starburger and sell cafinated burgers
[11:17] <GabrialDestruir> Just open a place called "Starshot" you go in and buy a shot with the legal limit of caffiene allowed in a dring
[11:17] <GabrialDestruir> drink*
[11:17] <GabrialDestruir> just like liquid caffiene
[11:17] <SStrife> http://www.leapmotion.com/
[11:17] <SStrife> wow
[11:18] <SStrife> that's some minority report stuff right there
[11:18] <ill1cit> wtf
[11:18] <ill1cit> is that for mac?
[11:18] <GabrialDestruir> That and add in the visual sensor thing that allows you to control your computer via eye movements
[11:18] <SStrife> theyre using an Apple display
[11:19] <SStrife> but it doesn't say what OS it supports
[11:19] <esotera> it's for windows and mac, linux support is 'on the agenda'
[11:19] <ill1cit> thats f aweeeeesome!
[11:19] <GabrialDestruir> Yea sure...
[11:19] <ill1cit> i cant wait until everything has been invented
[11:19] <GabrialDestruir> If it actually works xD
[11:19] <ill1cit> ill be one happy panda
[11:19] <GabrialDestruir> There will always be something more to invent.
[11:20] <ill1cit> cruising around with my hover board
[11:20] <ill1cit> summoning hot babes all around me
[11:20] <ill1cit> on my virtual yacht
[11:20] <GabrialDestruir> I'm waiting for proper Computer Nueral Interfaces.
[11:20] <ill1cit> cyb0rg?
[11:20] <GabrialDestruir> Be able to do everything on my computer with a though.
[11:21] <GabrialDestruir> thought*
[11:21] <RITRedbeard> So is there any way for easy LVDS interface via MIPI or whatever that's on the Pi?
[11:21] <RITRedbeard> GabrialDestruir, I'm working towards that.
[11:21] <ill1cit> anyway back to 200mhz rasberry pi
[11:21] <piless> ill1cit: why is your rpi 200mhz?
[11:21] <RITRedbeard> sounds like you messed up
[11:21] <GabrialDestruir> It'd make programming significantly easier.
[11:21] <ill1cit> dunno isnt it 200mhz?
[11:21] <RITRedbeard> ...no?
[11:21] <ill1cit> i only scanned thru the website
[11:22] <RITRedbeard> do you have one?
[11:22] <ill1cit> no
[11:22] <ill1cit> not yet...
[11:22] <GabrialDestruir> Also with a direct neural interface you could save memories directly to harddrive.
[11:22] <piless> Mine was delivered.. but I won't be able to get to it for a week D:
[11:22] <GabrialDestruir> So you never forget Johnny Mnemonic style
[11:22] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[11:22] <RITRedbeard> Not that crazy.
[11:22] <ill1cit> i spent my rpi on concert tickets -_-
[11:23] <piless> more than one concert ticket?
[11:23] <ill1cit> its a festival weekend
[11:23] <GabrialDestruir> I'm waiting for that day, the day we can download our entire conciousnesses into computers , because then we'll have AI's too
[11:24] <ill1cit> oh 700mhz
[11:24] <ill1cit> nice
[11:24] <RaYmAn> GabrialDestruir: and then we'll have computers that make human errors! :P
[11:24] <a7x> how many mA does rpi use in full?
[11:24] <RaYmAn> Wouldn't want that controlling anything important :P
[11:24] <piless> 700
[11:24] <a7x> (with both USB connected)
[11:24] <a7x> okay piless
[11:24] <GabrialDestruir> Actually....
[11:24] <ill1cit> i remember my brother had a AMD 700mhz with a gforce 256 or something
[11:24] <ill1cit> was so sick
[11:25] <ill1cit> this was 10+ years ago tho
[11:25] <SStrife> like a Duron or something?
[11:25] <ill1cit> ja
[11:25] <GabrialDestruir> considering they'd be AI's they'd still be errorless only except where human interaction was involved.
[11:25] <SStrife> nice
[11:25] <SStrife> my duron died
[11:25] <RITRedbeard> GabrialDestruir, not looking more into that futurely stuff
[11:25] <RITRedbeard> but more in tune with current technology
[11:25] <RITRedbeard> chorded keyboard
[11:25] <ill1cit> i had k6 466 or something at that time :D
[11:25] <RITRedbeard> monocular displays
[11:25] <RITRedbeard> wearable computer
[11:25] <SStrife> i bought a new heatsink, but didn't fit it properly, the cpu overheated and died
[11:25] <ill1cit> eish that sucks
[11:26] <ill1cit> u must always put new paste
[11:26] <SStrife> no, we used paste
[11:26] <SStrife> the heatsink wasn't sitting flat
[11:26] <GabrialDestruir> I'm waiting for someone to turn the Pi into a Vortex Manipulator type think.... cept without the vortex manipulation...
[11:26] <SStrife> it started smoking up
[11:26] <ill1cit> haha
[11:26] <ill1cit> white smoke?
[11:26] <ill1cit> like on a PSU
[11:26] <ill1cit> if u change voltage
[11:26] <SStrife> hm
[11:27] <SStrife> it was grey, i think
[11:27] <SStrife> it was a while ago
[11:27] <SStrife> obviously
[11:27] <ill1cit> remember running lan parties would fry 4-5 psu when we didnt connect earth to the dc
[11:27] <ill1cit> 4-5 out of 500 not too bad tho
[11:27] <ill1cit> haha good old days
[11:28] <ill1cit> when everyone was still dumb
[11:28] <SStrife> everyone is still dumb, there's just no shame now.
[11:28] <SStrife> idiocy is celebrated
[11:29] <ill1cit> no everything has an api
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[11:29] <ill1cit> back when i started there were no such things
[11:29] <ill1cit> so people are getting smarter
[11:29] <nid0> doh, recompiled kernel, broke wifi :(
[11:29] <RITRedbeard> 1024x600 resolution is the devil
[11:29] <ill1cit> anyway starbucks calls
[11:29] <ill1cit> laterz
[11:30] <simonlc> WSVGA
[11:30] <simonlc> didn't think that was actaully a resolution
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[11:30] <RITRedbeard> yes
[11:30] <simonlc> what aspect ratio is that even?
[11:30] <SStrife> netbook resolution
[11:30] <RITRedbeard> oh
[11:31] <RITRedbeard> I have no idea, it's standard for netbooks in 10.1" diag screen size
[11:31] <RITRedbeard> I miss 4:3
[11:31] <simonlc> it's sorta close to 5:3
[11:31] <simonlc> it's between 5:3 and 16:9
[11:34] <RITRedbeard> they can make 1366 x 768 panels that size
[11:34] <RITRedbeard> they just don't
[11:35] <RITRedbeard> I hate the concept or idea the industry thinks we view everything in widescreen resolutions
[11:35] <SStrife> alright, i have a Slackware 3.5.0 installation CD
[11:35] <RITRedbeard> there were some 4:3 laptops that were sexy
[11:35] <SStrife> kernel 2.0.34
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[11:35] <SStrife> libc.sd.5.4.44
[11:35] <SStrife> libc.so*
[11:35] <SStrife> XFree86 3.3.2
[11:36] <piless> 16:9 is better suited for your eyes
[11:36] <SStrife> i wonder if I can install this, then upgrade in-situ to the current version?
[11:36] <simonlc> hwo do you figure that piless ?
[11:37] <piless> simonlc: your viewing angle is widescreen not square,
[11:37] <simonlc> when you read, do you read with the corner of your eyes?
[11:37] <piless> huh
[11:38] <simonlc> in a movie, 16:9 might be perfect
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[11:38] <simonlc> but on a computer you focus on certain things, like text mainly
[11:38] <piless> a widescreen will have edges that are least likely to be near the edges of your vision
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[11:38] <simonlc> I actually turn my head often with a 8:5 monitor
[11:39] <simonlc> I WANT MINIMAL HEAD TURNING GOD DAMMIT
[11:39] <GabrialDestruir> Screw your minimal head turning!
[11:40] <piless> you're sitting too close
[11:40] <SStrife> i like my reading material to be like text on a geocities page
[11:40] <SStrife> narrow column with lots of scrolling
[11:40] <SStrife> long lines of text tend to run together for me
[11:40] <SStrife> maybe i'm dyslexic
[11:41] <simonlc> no, that's common
[11:41] <simonlc> normally you want text to be around 80ish chars wide
[11:41] <piless> I think I might move up north for a bit while the olympics are on.
[11:41] <piless> I reckon they'll nuke it.
[11:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm mentally drafting my next article: using IR to control LEDs with moar Ruby
[11:42] <GabrialDestruir> I need to invest in a IR thing
[11:42] <simonlc> I pulled out my model m just to see how ridiculous it looks next to my space saving keyboards
[11:42] <SStrife> i use a model M on my main PC
[11:43] <simonlc> there's not even room for this on my desk
[11:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: it was quite an adventure getting it running, but ultimately it took bootc's kernel
[11:43] <SStrife> i downgraded from a logitech G15
[11:43] <simonlc> more like upgraded
[11:43] <SStrife> i know right
[11:43] <simonlc> I shot my g15 with a paintball gun
[11:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> Your mileage may vary, but the stock Debian kernel for RPi lacked drivers for my generic MCE IR receiver 
[11:43] <GabrialDestruir> I had a G15
[11:43] <GabrialDestruir> it was great up until it died
[11:43] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[11:43] <SStrife> the spacebar on my G15 broke
[11:43] <SStrife> well
[11:43] <GabrialDestruir> Sam already put LIRC and stuff in Raspbmc
[11:43] <SStrife> not the bar itself
[11:44] <GabrialDestruir> So all that is suppose to work.
[11:44] <GabrialDestruir> My cord got screwed up
[11:44] <SStrife> but one of those little lugs that the metal bar goes under
[11:44] <GabrialDestruir> that ticked me off.
[11:44] <SStrife> flimsy rubbish
[11:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: then it should be pretty easy to get up and running
[11:44] <simonlc> mine worked great, it just got extremely dirty
[11:45] <simonlc> I had to retire it
[11:45] <simonlc> WOAH
[11:45] <simonlc> I could fit the raspi in the model m
[11:45] <SStrife> hahaha, there's a root disk to install slackware in UMSDOS
[11:45] <SStrife> is that even a thing any more?
[11:45] <GabrialDestruir> I think I'm gonna go to sleep and let my dskcheck wrong on my 1.5TB it seems to be having some issues.
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[11:49] <simonlc> sleep? are you a kiwi?
[11:49] <GabrialDestruir> Nah
[11:50] <GabrialDestruir> American
[11:50] <GabrialDestruir> It's 2:48AM
[11:50] <simonlc> ah so you're like me then
[11:50] <simonlc> 350
[11:51] <piless> england ftw
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[11:53] <GabrialDestruir> Mmm... xbmc is so restricting... lol
[11:54] <piless> in a kinky way?
[11:54] <GabrialDestruir> Not so much.
[11:54] <piless> everyone likes a bit of bondage
[11:54] <GabrialDestruir> There's a lot I can't do through the xbmc interface, it kind of sucks.
[11:54] <GabrialDestruir> On the other hand I don't imagine XBMC would run as well ontop of x-server or something
[11:55] <GabrialDestruir> I need a second Pi seriously xD
[11:56] <piless> third
[11:56] <clonak> I need _a_ Pi. :/
[11:56] <piless> one for a minecraft server
[11:56] <clonak> end of june is to far away.
[11:56] <GabrialDestruir> Then again.... I'm sure someone or another would complain because I didn't wait so the devs could work out all the kinks in Pi
[11:57] <GabrialDestruir> -rolls eyes-
[11:57] <SStrife> pi would make a horrible minecraft server
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[11:57] <GabrialDestruir> They had a Pi working as a minecraft server earlier
[11:57] <SStrife> <256MB of RAM
[11:57] <SStrife> it would be pretty bad
[11:57] <SStrife> i imagine
[11:58] <SStrife> Minecraft is a memory whore
[11:58] <raynerd> Hi Guys, Pi arrived this morning, can anyone suggest a suitable power supply I could buy in store (UK, e.g pc world, maplin... ??)
[11:58] <GabrialDestruir> Eh from the sounds of it, it was running surprisingly well.
[11:58] <SStrife> plus it's java
[11:58] <SStrife> oh ok
[11:58] <SStrife> weird
[11:58] <SStrife> hmm
[11:58] <SStrife> VirtualBox won't accept a gzipped disk image
[11:59] <GabrialDestruir> Un gzip it :p
[11:59] <SStrife> but then it's too big
[11:59] <SStrife> you're supposed to rawrite/dd the .gz file directly to the floppy
[12:00] <mjr> gzip isn't really a suitable compression for random-access disk images...
[12:00] <SStrife> it just reads it into a ramdisk
[12:00] <piless> raynerd: any micro usb phone charger will do, just make sure the output is > 700mA
[12:00] <SStrife> presumably the kernel unzips it on the fly
[12:01] <raynerd> piless - yea, I got warned on here a few months back to be carful with cheapo phone chargers and apparently some are rubbish even if "official" makes... ?? I don`t really understand that, but that is the advice I got!
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[12:01] <mjr> well the concern is that the charger needs to put out a pretty solid 5V and not "something around that"
[12:01] <piless> raynerd: skpang sell a raspi charger
[12:02] <raynerd> skpang?
[12:02] <SStrife> maybe if i pad the file out to exactly 1.44MB
[12:02] <piless> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-psu-5v-1a-p-1075.html
[12:02] <raynerd> piless - I`m in UK and ideally wanted to get something from "in store" then I could try my pi out tonight.
[12:02] <mjr> SStrife, ah, so the concern is not really that the image is gzipped but that the image has gzipped content ;]
[12:03] <RaYmAn> the power supply RS sells is 1.2A, and the docs claim rpi uses between 700mA and 1.2A
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[12:03] <IrquiM> raynerd, mobiles4u
[12:03] <piless> asda
[12:03] <raynerd> phones4 you ?
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, my HTC phone charger is working well.
[12:03] <raynerd> OK, so if I try and find an official HTC charger!
[12:03] <mjr> raynerd, oh yeah, and 1A is preferrable so you can power low-power usb devices through the pi (but low-power only)
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, just make sure whatever you get is at least 1A capacity.
[12:03] <piless> most shops will sell phone chargers, just check the specs
[12:04] <raynerd> Actually, my wife has a HTC and you can connect any USB cables!!!!! :-D
[12:04] <raynerd> let me go check power uotput
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[12:04] <piless> raynerd: you need an ac adaptor, it won't power with just a micro usb cable connected to a pc
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> piless, er ....
[12:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> This is exactly how not to comply with silly EU cookie directives: http://www.gamestop.co.uk/PS%20Vita
[12:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> ( note; you should get an annoying pop-up telling you nothing about cookies )
[12:06] <piless> it's so stupid
[12:06] <RaYmAn> Surely it must be obvious when there's a picture of cookies! ;)
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> mjr, SStrife I keep gzipped SD card images on my AAO as it's only got an 8GB SSD itself and short of space..
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> but what I do when creating it, is dd if=/dev/zero of=space on the Pi, then rm space. that makes sure all unused sectors on the SD are zero which compress really well...
[12:08] <SStrife> thats an interesting idea
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> put the sd in the laptop and gzip -9 -c < /dev/mm... > sd.gz
[12:08] <SStrife> i got it to work
[12:08] <SStrife> i just had to pad the gz file with 0's
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> and to write a new SD, zcat sd.gz > /dev/mm...
[12:08] <SStrife> to 1,474,560 bytes
[12:08] <SStrife> so virtualbox would believe that it's indeed a raw floppy image
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, but that's still a gzippped image.
[12:09] <SStrife> i know
[12:09] <SStrife> "Detected compressed image at block 0..."
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> I've never used virtualbox though. I got the qemu things going OK.
[12:10] <esotera> Gadgetoid_Air - http://traveline.info/ is the only site I've seen so far that has managed to do it in a non-intrusive way
[12:10] <SStrife> yea, i think virtualbox was just doing a sanity check
[12:11] <SStrife> to make sure you werent doing something stupid, like mount a CD ISO image on the floppy drive
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> The Beeb and the Register both seemed OK.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> In theory I have to do the same for all my sites, however )-:
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> they're just wordpress.
[12:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> esotera: Gamestop have done it so badly that it makes my mind melt
[12:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not only do they have a popup, but the popup contains absolutely no information whatsoever and "informing" the user is the whole point of the stupid legislation in the first place
[12:12] <simonlc> eu has the weirdest internet laws
[12:13] <piless> no
[12:15] <Meatballs> I had a quick read through the documentation for the cookie stuff
[12:15] <Meatballs> does it apply to session cookies for authentication?
[12:15] <Meatballs> or is that assumed consent?
[12:15] <nid0> personally I prefer the way most sites other than the beeb/el reg/govt sites have done it
[12:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> Meatballs: it's as clear as mud, generally
[12:15] <nid0> aka "not bother"
[12:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ultimately the whole thing is a total travesty, and anyone implementing any sort of cookie mechanism should be shot
[12:16] <Meatballs> seemed like lots of pages of waffle to make it clear as mud :o
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[12:17] <piless> I like the way three have done it
[12:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> It'd be easier just to boycot the UK and let our stupid economy tank, as that's what the gov'mnt seems to want- import taxes on components, misdirected attacks on ecommerce??? *shudder*
[12:18] <piless> Gadgetoid_Air: Not if we boycot you first!
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> one of my clients has about 500 or so customers - they're a web design co... So I wonder if they're now updating all their sites for this new law... Might ask them next week..
[12:19] <nid0> Meatballs: cookies that're fundamentally required for a site to work dont need consent, so login cookies are excluded. The UK has washed the regulations down so much that its barely relevant anyway, you can get away with "implied consent" if you reasonably feel your users will/should know that their actions will involve cookies being set
[12:19] <Meatballs> cool
[12:19] <piless> three.co.uk give a list of all the cookies they use a description of what each does
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[12:19] <SStrife> hahaha
[12:19] <SStrife> python-1.5
[12:20] <Viperfang> Thats a little.... old
[12:20] <SStrife> i'm installing Slackware 3.5 in a CM
[12:20] <SStrife> VM
[12:20] <SStrife> hint: Linux 2.0.34
[12:20] <netman87> i want my raspberry pi noooow
[12:21] <netman87> i did already lose too much to casinos
[12:21] <netman87> so i cant do much hobby stuff
[12:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless: Three are very informative, not bad!
[12:21] <piless> netman87: pro-tip: the house always wins
[12:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not, if only I could sell more mobile phone contracts through them, their commission is awesome :D
[12:22] <netman87> piless: yeah. i did win last month so i take it as returning part of that money
[12:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> s/not/now :D
[12:22] <netman87> hmm im not sure if i have money enough
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[12:22] <piless> Gadgetoid_Air: They're raising my bill by 70p :(
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[12:23] <netman87> well i need to pay food for 2 weeks and im all okey
[12:23] <netman87> 70p?
[12:23] <piless> 71p to be precise
[12:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless: random! cancel and sign up through a cashback site, or mine :D I got a mate ??80 off his iPhone
[12:24] <piless> cancel?
[12:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yaaay! sock it to 'em :D
[12:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> And give me all your money :D
[12:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've had enough of contracts now, anyway, rolling monthly is great 'cos you can just skip from one to the other when they annoy you
[12:25] <piless> I wish I was on the one plan
[12:25] <piless> tethering would be great.
[12:25] <piless> I'm on the internet 500 and there's no way for me to tether without cancelling my contract and starting a one plan
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[12:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ee, that sucks! I've managed to get 1gb internet/month for ??5 from them- which I use in a MiFi
[12:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> So no need to run down my phone battery with tethering, I use the MiFi which I have two spare batteries for and can keep internet running for a weekend away
[12:27] <piless> I'm on all you can eat though
[12:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Anyway! I have to go into the great indoors now, and get burned
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[12:31] <netman87> someone did tell me just sec ago that raspberry isnt good as videoplayer
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[12:32] <netman87> something that it cant play DVD's and H264 encoder work only for few profiles
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> It will play videos, but not all formats.
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> so if you can rip your DVD to a home server, and transcode them, then you'll probably be OK.
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[12:33] <gordonDrogon> however it's not an area of my expertiese... (I have a dvd player)
[12:33] <netman87> yeah i dont have tv
[12:33] <netman87> or digibox
[12:33] <netman87> or dvdplayer... just computers and videoprojector
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[12:37] <Tykling> cromag: nej, venter sp?ndt
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[12:55] <RITRedbeard> has anyone considered chaining a buncha SPI displays together?
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[12:56] <SStrife> woo!
[12:56] <SStrife> got slackware on the network
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[12:58] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, not going to try to actually run it up, are you?
[12:58] <SStrife> just got X set up :D
[12:58] <SStrife> hahaha
[12:58] <SStrife> XFree86, remember that?
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> oh yes...
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> tweaking modelines :)
[12:59] <SStrife> sadly, virtualbox doesn't emulate anything it's compatible with
[12:59] <SStrife> there's no generic VBE X server
[13:00] <SStrife> which is kind of weird
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[13:01] <gordonDrogon> framebuffer server...
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> it's what I'm actually using on my desktop now as I goofed with the CPU I bought and it's not directly supported by DEbian yet.
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> I could probably install the proprietary amd/ati driver if I tried hard enough though.
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> it seems to be able to play HD videos OK, so I'm fine..
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> Hm. gotta pop out for a tick.
[13:05] <SStrife> righto
[13:05] <SStrife> oh hey, that's cool
[13:05] <SStrife> this distro runs /usr/games/fortune whenever you log on
[13:05] <SStrife> nice touch
[13:06] <IrquiM> it's been doing so since the 90s ;)
[13:06] <SStrife> nice
[13:07] <SStrife> more should do it
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[13:08] <bootc> http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
[13:08] <bootc> enjoy :-)
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[13:12] * dwatkins wonders if anyone has used a GPS with the Pi in order to make a speedometer using a small LCD display
[13:12] <chris_99> cheers bootc i've been looking for something like that
[13:13] <chris_99> that's an interesting idea dwatkins
[13:13] <dwatkins> chris_99: I wanted to make a new app for my Tomtom, but don't know if it's possible to cross-compile for it, bootc's link reminded me
[13:14] <bootc> wouldn't you want to use something smaller and less power hungry? like an Arduino or smaller clone?
[13:14] <dwatkins> yeah, although I don't know of a GPS shield for the Arduino, perhaps that would be simpler.
[13:15] <dwatkins> also, you could make a copy of the Back to the Future red 7-segment display ;)
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[13:20] <gordonDrogon> phew. caught the post office before it closes.
[13:20] <shirro> Someone finally did it http://imgur.com/a/ZvkgN
[13:20] <chris_99> actually yeah, i've interfaced with my GPS via a PIC before
[13:20] <mjr> shirro, heh :)
[13:20] <bootc> dwatkins: lots of GPS shields for Arduino
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[13:21] <SStrife> shirro, what did they do exactly?
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> bit overkill (and costly) to make a spedo out of a Pi ...
[13:21] <bootc> dwatkins: http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/shield-retail-p-1000.html is just one
[13:21] <dwatkins> bootc: neat, thanks - I was just looking at http://dexterindustries.com/Arduino-GPS_Shield.html and the sample application
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[13:22] <shirro> SStrife: we had a discussion about using a motorola lapdock as screen, keyboard and trackpad for a pi some time ago
[13:22] <SStrife> ah
[13:22] <shirro> instant laptop
[13:22] <SStrife> nice
[13:22] <SStrife> sorry, i thought it was a laptop
[13:22] <SStrife> that is cool
[13:22] <dwatkins> a friend of mine bought a kids laptop (with a cow on the front) - we were discussing replacing its innards with a Pi and a small LCD screen :D
[13:22] <SStrife> and i have Google up
[13:23] <SStrife> in Lynx, on Linux 2.0
[13:23] <shirro> The Pi is where the motorola phone would normally be.
[13:23] <bootc> SStrife: linux 2.__0__ ?!
[13:23] <SStrife> yes
[13:23] <SStrife> slackware 3.5
[13:23] <bootc> good grief
[13:24] <chris_99> is there any guides on how you could compile your own distro for the Pi?
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, http://www.gentoo.org/ :)
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[13:25] <chris_99> i don't really want to use gentoo
[13:25] <simonlc> has anyone used lfs yet?
[13:25] <chris_99> as it'd make it to slow to add new packages
[13:26] <simonlc> what do you mean by compile your own distro?
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> it's hard work to try to maintain...
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[13:27] <gordonDrogon> I put together a sort of embedded thing based on Debian once, but maintaining it was a PITA, and now there's the embedian project. (or whatever its called)
[13:27] <shirro> I started an lfs. Then started deviating from it. Then lost interest
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> the aim of my project was to run 100% in RAM. (which it achieved).
[13:27] <plugwash> mpthompson and I started a variant of debian armhf and are still going on it ;)
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[13:28] <bootc> plugwash: yeah I saw that, how's it going?
[13:28] <shirro> plugwash: and we are gratefull
[13:28] <bootc> how much of the archive have you built yet?
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> should I be apt-get upgrade, or apt-get dist-upgrade on my raspbian system ?
[13:28] <RITRedbeard> can anyone find the datasheet for Micron's MT7DPVG2F-A1S ?
[13:29] <simonlc> afaik dist-upgrade just installs new default pacakages?
[13:29] <shirro> I only do dist-upgrade after I upgrade by dist usually
[13:29] <simonlc> idk I think I'm wrong
[13:29] <plugwash> bootc, i'm not sure on the exact fraction but it's quite a substatial ammount
[13:29] <bootc> well upgrade/dist-upgrade have been renamed safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
[13:29] <plugwash> bootc, only in aptitude
[13:29] <bootc> basically, safe-upgrade/upgrade won't install new packages, so if an updated packages has new dependencies it won't upgrade the package
[13:29] <shirro> but I don't really know what it does - never really bothered to look. Just done it that way for a decade. Should just use aptitide I guess
[13:30] <bootc> dist-upgrade/full-upgrade will do that
[13:30] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, it's no different from any other debian system, upgrade is the conservative option, dist-upgrade is the agressive option
[13:30] <bootc> plugwash: nice
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, ok - I've never used an "unstable/testing" before ..
[13:30] <plugwash> sometimes you need the agressive option but you should ALWAYS check what it plans to do before you say yes
[13:30] <bootc> I personally always use full-upgrade, but then I also run wheezy and you can't really use that without doing full-upgrade
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> I have dist-upgraded systems in the past - e.g. from woody onwards IIRC.
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> this is specifically for Raspbian.
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[13:32] <gordonDrogon> Pi2 is being powered by my workstation PC's USB port....
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> Seems to have booted up OK.
[13:33] <bootc> I always boot my Pi off my desktop, gives plenty of juice - tho I do have a BlackBerry charger for when I want to run standalone
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> so that probably means my PC will give >100mA to any device without any negotiation...
[13:33] <bootc> most do...
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[13:34] <mjr> gordonDrogon, most probably do.
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> although it is plugged into a 4-port unpowered USB hub.
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> and there was me scrabbling about earlier to find a PSU for it...
[13:34] <mjr> giving out enough for the Pi (700mA tops) is probably less common, but not very rare either especially on desktops
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> it's a pretty modern board.
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> only a few months old.
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[13:35] <SStrife> before I bought a plugpack, I used my MBP
[13:35] <SStrife> its USB ports are able to charge an iPad
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[13:36] <SStrife> which needs >500mA to charge
[13:36] <SStrife> my desktop PC's ports weren't up to it
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> is uname -m supposed to be different under raspbian ?
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> I see armv6l
[13:37] <mjr> And of course nowadays computers are getting USB3, and most are probably prepared to supply the specced 900 mA through it (again, probably without needing to negotiate, even though the device is technically required to do it)
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> yea, I think this has usb3 ports round the back...
[13:38] <shirro> gordonDrogon: I think that means armv6 little endian. On my A8 I get armv7l
[13:38] <SStrife> Linux oldlinux 2.0.34 #1 Thu Jun 4 18:59:35 PDT 1998 i686 unknown
[13:38] <SStrife> hahaha
[13:38] <SStrife> no ssh
[13:38] <SStrife> to telnet
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[13:39] <SStrife> er
[13:39] <SStrife> go telnet
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> bet it has rsh + rshd going though :)
[13:39] <SStrife> oh yeah, there ya go
[13:39] <SStrife> rlogin
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[13:40] <SStrife> i can't get X to start
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> ah, no usb3, but 12 usb ports in total. mobo is: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_Socket_FM1/F1A55M_LE/
[13:40] <SStrife> i run XF86Setup
[13:40] <SStrife> and it runs the test "We were able to start X successfully!"
[13:41] <SStrife> but then you go startx
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> good old rsh. Nothing wrong with it in principle.
[13:41] <SStrife> and it says "no valid modes found"
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[13:43] <shirro> gordonDrogon: except misuse of rhosts and lack of encryption
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> shirro, the former is lack of knowledge, the latter - yes, in some cases I'll give you that.
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[13:46] <gordonDrogon> what I'd like is a non-encrypting version of ssh - sometimes all I want is it's authentication, but not the overhead on encryption especially on truses LANs and weedy processors.
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> *truested
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> goof. trusted!
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> (and yes, I know about arp-cache spoofing)
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[13:47] <plugwash> IIRC there is an option for that in ssh but I don't think it's compiled in by default
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> I offten switch t blowfish as that seems a little easier.
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[13:50] <plugwash> hmm, looks like it's only available as a third party patch
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> ah well. one of these days.
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[13:51] <Viperfang> why not just telnet in?
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> it's not for telnet, but rsync to copy data between servers.
[13:51] <Pi_iglet> Hurrah! IRC on my Pi :P
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> and I remember using rsync -essh - then they changed the default 10ish years back, so now I might be using rsync -ersh :)
[13:52] <plugwash> http://www.psc.edu/index.php/hpn-ssh
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> haha... hoho... just tried rsh and though wow it's installed - the realised its symlinked to ssh..
[13:53] <simonlc> it does kinda get hot when the pi has no holes
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[13:55] <Pi_iglet> I saw the rather nice looking black case on ebay - but it didn't look like hit had any ventilation
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, I think that's to overcome the BDP on high speed+high latency links rather than slow encryption on weedy processors.
[13:55] <Pi_iglet> it*
[13:56] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, read the list of patches in their patchset
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, ok... I just scanned the first pace..
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, OK - and the ability to switch to a NONE cipher post authentication.
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> I just looked at installing rshd, etc. again. wow - it uses inetd. It's been years since I've had an inetd running!
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> almost forgotten about that :)
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[13:58] <SStrife> yay, got X started
[13:58] <SStrife> hahaha, Netscape
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[13:59] <gordonDrogon> Netscape? Ye gods.
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, don't forget the <flash> tag ...
[13:59] <simonlc> you mean <blink>?
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> er, that too :)
[14:00] <SStrife> and <marquee>
[14:00] <politoed> marquee <3
[14:04] <paddysteed> Does anyone else think the reccomended debian distro is a piece of crap?
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> no
[14:04] <simonlc> yes
[14:04] <Pi_iglet> No! I'm using it now
[14:04] <paddysteed> way too heavy
[14:05] <shirro> yes - it is usable but it needs a big cleanup
[14:05] <Pi_iglet> That
[14:05] <simonlc> try raspbian paddysteed
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> paddysteed, you don't need to use it if you don't want to...
[14:05] <shirro> all those extra accounts and stuff
[14:05] <paddysteed> I just compiled OpenELEC
[14:05] <paddysteed> it is brillient
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> ah yes, it is setup somewhat "creatively" :)
[14:05] <Pi_iglet> for nubs like me, i fit works then it's brilliant!
[14:05] <paddysteed> I have 1080p playback working flawlessly
[14:05] <simonlc> I'm using arch myself
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> I am in the process of re-doing my intro/setup pages to help folks sanitise it in that respect though.
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[14:06] <shirro> it will probably take me weeks to get a kernel and image I am happy with so it depends on your expectations.
[14:06] <paddysteed> has anyone got video playback working in debian or arch?
[14:06] <chris_99> yes paddysteed
[14:06] <shirro> yep
[14:06] <chris_99> just use omxplayer
[14:06] <simonlc> you can save a lot of space if you remove things like xfce and python
[14:06] <paddysteed> chris_99, hw acclerated?
[14:06] <shirro> yep
[14:06] <chris_99> yup
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> haha.. remove paython ho ho ho.... ;-)
[14:07] <shirro> works very well. very light compared to xbmc. all you need if you want to run a video from cmdline
[14:07] <simonlc> I like python, but it manages to use up a lot of space on the image
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> (sorry, just thinking of the Pi's aim to release Python to the world ;-)
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> Personally I have no use for it, however...
[14:08] <simonlc> I installed debian on a 2gb card and had no room for quake 3!
[14:08] <SStrife> i think i need a different VM package
[14:08] <SStrife> one that emulates a real VGA chip
[14:08] <shirro> I have barely used half of my 8G card. When I start to fill it I will just get a 16G. This isn't a wifi router
[14:08] <chris_99> the quake wad file or whatever you call it, is pretty hefty
[14:08] <SStrife> XFree86_fb is sooooooooo slooooooooooow
[14:08] <simonlc> pak0.pk3
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[14:09] <simonlc> it's about 430mb iirc
[14:09] <chris_99> yup
[14:09] <Hexxeh> and breathe...
[14:09] <paddysteed> OpenELEC is 92MB
[14:09] <chris_99> is there still no sound with quake?
[14:09] <simonlc> just think, rage, id's latest game is 20gb
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[14:09] <Hexxeh> chris_99: should be I'd have thought if you setup ALSA
[14:09] <chris_99> there was some issue with quake i thought
[14:09] <chris_99> that meant there was no sound
[14:09] <simonlc> I haven't tried sound yet, I might try tonight
[14:10] <shirro> I have a stack of openwrt boxes if I feel like some BDSM. The Pi is supposed to be a desktop. Remove python? Crazy talk
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[14:10] <simonlc> I'd like to see quake1 on the pi, since it actually has a very good single player
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[14:10] <chris_99> i might install Doom on the Pi
[14:11] <simonlc> doom should work well in software mode no?
[14:11] <chris_99> hopefully
[14:12] <r00t|home> doom was written in software for... 386?
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[14:13] <chris_99> yeah i'm sure it was for that or the 486 one of the two
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, apt-get install prboom
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> I've already played doom on my Pi :)
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> it works OK in 640x480.
[14:14] <chris_99> or the venerable http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/
[14:14] <paddysteed> do you need to start the window manager to play doom or run omxplayer?
[14:14] <Hexxeh> anyone know the hdmi_mode code for 720p off hand?
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> prboom uses SDL - and that (for now) works better under X.
[14:14] <simonlc> Hexxeh: they're on the elinux wiki
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> although... hang on .. I'll check as I have my old compost monitor hooked up to Pi2
[14:15] <Hexxeh> simonlc: what seems to be 720p on the lists i've seen actually sets my display to 720x480 which isn't supported
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[14:15] <shirro> wow, this is so much better with preempt.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> then again, Pi2 is still being thrashed with an apt-get update from the standard debian ...
[14:16] <simonlc> what if you type /opt/vc/bin/tvservice ???m DMT ?
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> preempt isn't the standard kernel option? surprises me for what's supposed to be a desktop box...
[14:17] <Hexxeh> simonlc: mode 4: 640x480 @ 60Hz, progressive
[14:17] <shirro> not the only surprise in the config
[14:17] <simonlc> what if you type /opt/vc/bin/tvservice ???m CEA ?
[14:17] <Hexxeh> simonlc: which is the only mode I can get out of the Pi so far
[14:17] <simonlc> note the CEA
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> might make the effort to compile a kernel for it this weekend.
[14:17] <Hexxeh> (native) mode 4: 1280x720 @ 60Hz, progressive
[14:17] <Hexxeh> mode 1, 2 and 3 too
[14:17] <chris_99> did you have sound in doom gordonDrogon?
[14:17] <Hexxeh> 640x480, and two at 720x480
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, no - I've not had it hooked up to speakers yet.
[14:18] <chris_99> ah
[14:19] <simonlc> if I put no mode it in just uses my monitor's native, 1920x1200
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> dizzy. playing my didge when recovering from a cold is probably not a good idea.
[14:20] <Hexxeh> simonlc: i've not tried not setting a mode for a few FW versions now, but it used to result in a blank screen
[14:20] <Hexxeh> simonlc: just tried it now, and it attempts to use state 0x120016, 1920x1200 @ 60Hz, progressive
[14:22] <simonlc> that's what mine goes to aswell, but that just happens to be my monitor's resolution
[14:22] <Hexxeh> mine supports only 720p
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[14:22] <Hexxeh> it's actually a kanex xd i'm using
[14:23] <Hexxeh> this: http://www.kanexlive.com/xd
[14:23] <[NNUser]> Im back
[14:23] <[NNUser]> broadcasting from StarBucks
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[14:25] <ill1cit> broadcasting from Starbucks
[14:25] <simonlc> why can't you connect directly to your monitor Hexxeh ?
[14:25] <shirro> gordonDrogon: so far I have gone with voluntary preempt and automatic process group scheduling. I also added sysreq key and debug info for crashes and event counters so I can watch for swapping and blocks being read/written to sd card which helps me know what is happening
[14:25] <Hexxeh> simonlc: it's an iMac 27"
[14:26] <Hexxeh> simonlc: only monitor i happen to have to hand
[14:26] <simonlc> idk how those work
[14:26] <simonlc> they don't have some sort of video in?
[14:26] <Hexxeh> yeah, HDMI in, displayport out
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[14:26] <simonlc> does the hdmi in result in anything?
[14:26] <shirro> it might be slower but it feels better - at least to me. haven't done a blind trial or anything
[14:27] <Hexxeh> simonlc: i don't understand?
[14:27] <Hexxeh> simonlc: all it does is connect a hdmi-outputting device to an iMac
[14:27] <simonlc> why don't you plug straight into the hdmi?
[14:28] <Hexxeh> oh, the iMac doesn't have HDMI, only displayport
[14:28] <simonlc> oh
[14:28] <mjr> 150 euros seems rather expensive for a converter...
[14:28] <simonlc> yeah, idk I'd try brute forcing it, increment the mode until one works
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> shirro, I use voluntary +1000Hz on my x86 desktops - seems reasonable. Not using the auto proc. schedul though - doesn't that require hints from the window manager?
[14:29] <Hexxeh> mjr: yeah, it was, but at the time i bought it i didn't have space for a TV in my room
[14:30] <simonlc> unless you can actually define hex numbers in the config
[14:30] <shirro> gordonDrogon: not sure. it is magic. i think the kernel is tickless so not sure what benefit changing hz will have. I think it is set to 100. Perhaps I will try 300
[14:30] <simonlc> then this might be of value: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers
[14:30] <oldtopman> Hexxeh: What are you trying to do?
[14:31] <Hexxeh> oldtopman: trying to get 720p output onto my iMac display
[14:31] <oldtopman> Oh...
[14:31] <simonlc> more spefically trying to get 720p out of the raspi
[14:31] <Hexxeh> well, yeah
[14:31] * oldtopman pats Hexxeh on the back
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[14:31] <Hexxeh> i've used it before with PS3/Xbox360, works fine there
[14:32] <oldtopman> It works at 480p?
[14:32] <Hexxeh> yeah
[14:33] <Hexxeh> which is strange, because i didn't think this panel accepted a 640x480 input, and the kanex box doesn't do any scaling
[14:33] <oldtopman> But if you change it to 720, what happens?
[14:33] <Hexxeh> black screen
[14:33] <oldtopman> Hmm
[14:33] <oldtopman> "Kanex Box"
[14:33] <oldtopman> What's that?
[14:34] <Hexxeh> oldtopman: http://www.kanexlive.com/xd
[14:34] <oldtopman> On a phone, brb
[14:34] * oldtopman opens link
[14:34] <simonlc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces_Exchange_System
[14:34] <simonlc> canex
[14:35] <oldtopman> Hmm
[14:35] <oldtopman> Looks intresting.
[14:35] <oldtopman> Other hdmi devices work alright through there?
[14:36] <simonlc> he said they do
[14:36] <Hexxeh> yeah ps3/xbox360 works fine
[14:36] <Hexxeh> as does a laptop with HDMI output
[14:36] <chris_99> have you tried 1080p
[14:36] <chris_99> if it can do that
[14:36] <oldtopman> The first thing I'd do is send Kanex an email saying "Likely the raspberry pi's fault, but nevertheless it doesn't work"
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[14:37] <Hexxeh> it can't chris_99
[14:37] <Hexxeh> it can do either 720p or 2560x1440
[14:37] <oldtopman> Most of those 2nd party mac devs are cool with this sort os thing.
[14:37] <oldtopman> Of*
[14:37] <chris_99> ah
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> what's the right modprobe to get the sound drivers installed again? (3.5mm jack)
[14:38] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: modprobe snd-bcm2835
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> thanks.
[14:38] <oldtopman> Do any of those working devices have hdmi in?
[14:39] <Hexxeh> no
[14:39] <oldtopman> :#
[14:39] <oldtopman> Yeah, I'd send em an email.
[14:41] * oldtopman wonders what The Foundation is doing with the broken rpis
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[14:42] <oldtopman> I can't imagine that 100.00% of the ones shipped work
[14:42] <haltdef> nothing to do with the foundation anymore, I wouldn't think
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> prboom killed my pi in exactly the way my basic kills the pi when run on the console )-:
[14:42] <oldtopman> Good point.
[14:43] * oldtopman feels bad for OpenPandora
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[14:48] <simonlc> what video driver should I use for arch?
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> framebuffer...
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/doom2.jpg
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> There. Just to proove that Pi will run Doom - AND sound works too!
[14:56] <ReggieUK> I had no doubt that it would run doom
[14:56] <ReggieUK> just needed my pi to be here
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[14:56] <simonlc> so much awesome
[14:56] <ReggieUK> SDL doom would've worked too......
[14:56] <mjr> gordonDrogon, funky display you got for it :)
[14:56] <SStrife> Doom runs on a 386SX though
[14:56] <SStrife> just sayin :P
[14:56] <simonlc> doom runs on everything
[14:56] <Streakfury> On the plus side: DOOM!
[14:56] <simonlc> could probably get doom to run on a kindle
[14:57] <ReggieUK> doom runs on a 233mhz arm9 target, not sure what your point is SStrife
[14:57] <chris_99> gordonDrogon, can you run it from the command line
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> mjr, yea, old (very old) tube monitor.
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, yes, but my command-line was inside an xterm. It won't run easilly on the console without X.
[14:57] <ccssnet> why does oldtopman feel bad for open pandora?
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[14:57] <ccssnet> my pandora works fine
[14:58] <chris_99> ah okey doke
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> that's the first time I've heard sound from a Pi :)
[14:58] <SStrife> Um, kay.
[14:58] <chris_99> i want to play doom now :)
[14:58] <simonlc> ah the sound of demons dying in the morning
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> I do have a legit copy of Doom II too...
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> ..somewhere...
[14:59] <SStrife> 386SX is quite a bit slower than a "233MHz arm9 target" :)
[14:59] <SStrife> as low as 16MHz
[14:59] <SStrife> it shouldn't be surprising that Doom will run on a 600MHz-anything
[15:00] <ccssnet> doom on a 66mhz pentium was so much smoother then a 386
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[15:00] <SStrife> true this.
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[15:00] <ReggieUK> whoops :D
[15:00] <SStrife> it would be nearly unplayable on a 386-16
[15:00] <ReggieUK> forgive me I've just woken up
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[15:00] <plugwash> also remember when people played on those 386's they were probablly playing in 320x200
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[15:00] <plugwash> which most people wouldn't consider acceptable nowadays
[15:01] <ccssnet> mm
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[15:01] <haltdef> 2560x1440 or gtfo
[15:01] * ccssnet leaves with his 1280x1024
[15:01] <FrozenCow> I'm running 624x492, can I stay...?
[15:02] <simonlc> 640x480 is the lowest anyone goes nwo
[15:02] <raynerd> Hello, just installed the basic Debian Squeeze from the recommended list on the wiki and have booted up got to the login page, pi and password raspberry, then I get a prompt pi:raspberrypi:~$ however, I thought this version of squeeze had a GUI on it??
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[15:02] <haltdef> startx
[15:02] <simonlc> he means, type startx
[15:03] <simonlc> which will launch the xfce desktop environment
[15:03] <raynerd> Ahhh !! thasnkyou
[15:04] <raynerd> please can you tell me, what does that do, why did I need to do that?
[15:04] <simonlc> there's probably a way to auto start 'x', google will help you with that
[15:04] <chris_99> it just launches the X server for you
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> FrozenCow, that on composite output?
[15:04] <FrozenCow> yup
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> FrozenCow, yea, I've had "fun" fiddling with the sizes.
[15:04] <FrozenCow> haha
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> IF you want 640x480, then try this:
[15:05] <FrozenCow> the overscan options you mean?
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> #framebuffer_width=784
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> #framebuffer_height=638
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> leave overscan on for a CRT/TV and use those (without the #'s)
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> assuming Debian.
[15:05] <FrozenCow> hmm alright
[15:05] <raynerd> so the xserver is the user interface right?
[15:05] <FrozenCow> i'm running arch, but i guess that'll be the same
[15:06] <simonlc> no xserver is the base for the user interface
[15:06] <simonlc> the default user interface on that debian image is called xfce
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> FrozenCow, Hm. not sure. I was told that Debian adds on 32 to each side, top & bottom, but I'm not sure if that's debian (unlikely) or the kernel they produced for Debian (more likely)
[15:06] <simonlc> we call it a 'desktop environment'
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[15:06] <gordonDrogon> simonlc, it's lxde on the default debian ...
[15:07] <simonlc> right, damn four letter names
[15:07] <FrozenCow> well, i copied some overscan values from a forum into my config.txt and set the sdtv_mode to 2 (PAL) after rebooting it looked alright to me
[15:07] <simonlc> they aren't even a word
[15:08] <raynerd> I`m not being a hater - I`ve been excited about getting this since ordering it in March but I`m finding it a little slower than I expected :-(
[15:08] <Pi_iglet> @FrozenCow: config.txt in /boot? It's not there until you create it?
[15:09] <Pi_iglet> Ha! I wasn't expecting much speed - so surprised at how fast it is!
[15:09] <simonlc> I tried lxde on the pi, it was pretty slow yea
[15:09] <FrozenCow> hm, it was there in the archlinux .img
[15:09] <raynerd> lol, I obviously had the bar too high!!
[15:09] <Pi_iglet> hmmm - not on deb squeeze.
[15:09] <FrozenCow> the sdcard is just slow, the rest is quite alright to me
[15:09] <simonlc> right now I'm just using the console
[15:09] <raynerd> Pi_iglet - what are you running then?
[15:09] <Pi_iglet> Expect little and be happily surprised is my motto
[15:09] <simonlc> it's not that bad raynerd if you tweak it
[15:09] <ReggieUK> raynerd, you and about 100k people have their bar to high for pi
[15:10] <raynerd> ReggieUK - sorry !!
[15:10] <ReggieUK> but it will most certainly be usable
[15:10] <FrozenCow> lol
[15:10] <ReggieUK> hey, don't apoligise :)
[15:10] <Pi_iglet> deb squeeze - I spend all day working getting data out of a sloaris box - but know diddly-squat about the setup on linux
[15:10] <SStrife> the X server is still unaccelerated
[15:10] <simonlc> you should try raspbian instead raynerd, but you'll need to do some configuring to get it all up and running
[15:10] <SStrife> it will get smoother as time goes by
[15:10] <haltdef> an X driver for the gpu should improve that massively
[15:10] <FrozenCow> what I still need to know is how to play videos efficiently... I've seen omxplayer, but couldn't get it to run
[15:10] <Pi_iglet> is there any news on gup x-driver progress?
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[15:11] <SStrife> it won't be useful for web-browsing and stuff though, because RAM is at a premium
[15:11] <Pi_iglet> gpu*
[15:11] <raynerd> simonlc - I`ll google it now.
[15:11] <SStrife> 256MB minus whatever the GPU is taking.
[15:11] <plugwash> mmm, modern web browsers are ram hogs :(
[15:11] <haltdef> I'm not even trying to use mine with a gui, console only
[15:11] <FrozenCow> try luakit or something
[15:11] <haltdef> can starve the gpu of ram too, sod it
[15:11] <simonlc> midori was actually faster than I expected
[15:12] <Pi_iglet> Chromium grinds to a halt on modern styled we pages - but Midori just crashed all the time
[15:12] <SStrife> i can't believe how bloaty FIrefox has gotten.
[15:12] <SStrife> Firefox 1.5 will run on an NT4 box woth 64MB of RAM
[15:12] <raynerd> Maybe just my patience threshold needs to improve, but even something like booting midori, I`m getting about a 5-10 second pause.
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> can't belive that google had the cheek to tell me to get a modern browser when I viewed Moogs doodle the other day in FF12 ...
[15:12] <FrozenCow> i'm guessing that's the sdcard
[15:12] <raynerd> Ah OK
[15:13] <FrozenCow> not sure how to improve that speed though :'(
[15:13] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, i saw that too
[15:13] <Pi_iglet> I remember when they stripped Netscape down to start Firefox. It was lean and mean and pretty darn good. Now...it's bloated more than a M$ product
[15:13] <ReggieUK> the cheek of it
[15:13] <ReggieUK> how about google make their stuff work on anything?
[15:13] <SStrife> FrozenCow: You put rootfs on a USB HDD
[15:13] <SStrife> or NFS
[15:13] <haltdef> SDs were never intended for what the pi is using it for
[15:13] <SStrife> both of those methods are hugely faster than pure SD
[15:13] <simonlc> gordonDrogon: firefox still has some features that only webkit has thus far implemented
[15:13] <FrozenCow> how fast is a usb hdd, will that be faster than ethernet?
[15:14] <Pi_iglet> All through same chip - can't be ferster can it!?
[15:14] <FrozenCow> (I have no clue how fast usb can be)
[15:14] <ReggieUK> replace the sd card with an eMMC controller and some nand flash
[15:14] <FrozenCow> aaah ok
[15:14] <simonlc> I didn't have a chance to try the moog doodle though so idk what it was
[15:14] <SStrife> USB2 can be up to 480Mbps
[15:14] <raynerd> anyone else running Raspbian?
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> Hm. NFS the Pi.
[15:14] <simonlc> I am
[15:14] <haltdef> sequential speeds don't matter hugely, it's random that OSes like
[15:14] <FrozenCow> oh that's still pretty good, I'll try that later
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> I'm running Raspbian.
[15:14] <shirro> usb driver still has some issues but in long run usb will be much faster alternative. will just use sd to boot
[15:14] <haltdef> just bootstrapping it now
[15:15] <ReggieUK> simonlc, it was an old analog moog synth basically
[15:15] <FrozenCow> haltdef, playing videos is sequential ;)
[15:15] <SStrife> gordonDrogon, my friend at work is running his Pi over NFS
[15:15] <SStrife> just using a small 256MB SD card to boot from
[15:15] <simonlc> yeah I saw some video's of poeple playing music on it
[15:15] <ReggieUK> push some keys and play with the vco/vcf/lfo knobs
[15:15] <haltdef> even the slowest SD will so 2MB/s read
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, I think bootc here was doing it too...
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> how hard can it be...
[15:15] <haltdef> only an issue if you're storing a whole blu-ray on an SD card
[15:15] <SStrife> simonlc is too
[15:15] <ReggieUK> if they'd coded midi-input into it then I'd have been impressed
[15:15] <SStrife> i think all you need to do it change cmdline.txt
[15:16] <SStrife> root=/dev/nfs
[15:16] <FrozenCow> oh cool
[15:16] <SStrife> and nfsroot=192.168.1.1:/your/nfsroot
[15:16] <Pi_iglet> theoretical bandwidth of 480 mbit on both usb + ethernet together. In practice it's got to be a lot lower once you take into account overheads
[15:16] <SStrife> I think
[15:16] <FrozenCow> didn't know it would be that easy
[15:16] <FrozenCow> (for nfs)
[15:16] <raynerd> I might give this raspbian a go then... although I`m a bit of a noob so will probably get stuck somewhere!
[15:16] <SStrife> and, ah,
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[15:16] <SStrife> norootsquash
[15:16] <SStrife> or something
[15:16] <ReggieUK> raynerd, go for it
[15:16] <ReggieUK> it's the only way to be less of a noob :)
[15:17] <raynerd> I presume this Hexxeh, is the only realease?
[15:17] <simonlc> it's based on debian, which has a ton of guides and info for newbs
[15:17] <simonlc> you should be alright
[15:18] <plugwash> yeah, I think hexxeh is the only guy building and releasing raspbian images at the moment
[15:18] <Hexxeh> afaik yeah
[15:18] <plugwash> eventually we will have official images but not yet
[15:18] <simonlc> don't bloat it plz
[15:19] <Hexxeh> you or mpthompson planning on doing those?
[15:19] <Hexxeh> i think a few variants would be appropriate
[15:19] <Hexxeh> minimal, lxde, server etc
[15:19] <FrozenCow> Hexxeh are you basing it off the /boot files in the .img supplied by the raspberry folks or are you building those files by yourself too?
[15:20] <raynerd> oh.. Hexxeh is here! :-D what is the difference between these images and an "official" image?
[15:20] <Pi_iglet> Ha ! That's what I was typing!
[15:20] <FrozenCow> haha, Hexxeh = celebrity, awesome :D
[15:21] <plugwash> mmm, I'm guessing three would do, a minimal image, a minimal image with ssh (for those who want to set up a server and don't have a keyboard monitor and mouse handy) and an image comparable to the foundation's debian image
[15:21] <Pi_iglet> All bow down
[15:21] <FrozenCow> *bows
[15:21] <simonlc> raynerd: there is no official ones yet, so he is just providing an easy way for you to install it
[15:21] <Pi_iglet> Good thing I bowed down. Found my other missing SD card on the floor
[15:21] <Pi_iglet> Thanks!
[15:21] <simonlc> rofl
[15:21] <plugwash> I don't think having seperate images for every type of server is nessacery, people who want to set up servers probablly know exactly what they want and can install it themselves
[15:21] <FrozenCow> haha
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[15:21] <SStrife> the proper way to do it, is to have an installer
[15:22] <SStrife> like Linux on any other platform
[15:22] <raynerd> No, still don`t understand. So how is hexxeh image going to be different fron an "offical" one?
[15:22] <raynerd> Ah
[15:22] <Pi_iglet> have a read: http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[15:22] <SStrife> we're using flat images now, because it's convenient, and a rapid way to get them out there
[15:22] <FrozenCow> SStrife: yes, I want a build-script that generates the .img files :P
[15:22] <FrozenCow> that's true
[15:22] <Hexxeh> FrozenCow: files from the official firmware repo
[15:23] <haltdef> why so much fuss over bloaty images
[15:23] <FrozenCow> but a repo with the scripts to build it would be cool
[15:23] <haltdef> just bootstrap your own sd from scratch
[15:23] <plugwash> SStrife, while it's possible to run the debian installer on arm hardware i've always considered it a bit of an excercise in masochism
[15:23] <FrozenCow> Hexxeh: ah alright, I guess i'll have to search elsewhere how to build them
[15:23] <raynerd> bootstrap?
[15:24] <ReggieUK> haltdef, not everyone has got the patience to sit there and watch a complete distro compile itself from scratch :D
[15:24] <haltdef> using a running x86 debian system you can download all of the required packages to build an ARM system
[15:24] <Hexxeh> FrozenCow: you can't build the elf files or bin files since source isn't available
[15:24] <haltdef> it's all binary from raspian's repos, hard work done for you
[15:24] <FrozenCow> i've created a 'new' .img, since my sdcard was just not big enough for the archlinux img... but I just copied files from the original .img, not 'building' it myself
[15:24] <raynerd> Not everyone has got the knowledge to sit there and watch a complete distro compile itself from scratch
[15:24] <FrozenCow> Hexxeh: ah I was afraid of that
[15:25] <ReggieUK> you rebuilt your own image FrozenCow
[15:25] <haltdef> where did I say compile? :P
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[15:25] <ReggieUK> my bad!
[15:25] <haltdef> I seem to have found the slowest SD in the universe
[15:25] <FrozenCow> ReggieUK: not exactly rebuilding, just making a partition table and copying files
[15:25] <haltdef> 25KB/s random writes, my 2GB microsd that came with the zte blade does 200
[15:26] <FrozenCow> not installing files on an empty boot and root directory from or something like that
[15:26] <raynerd> So as a total noob, little linux experience, just enough to get by with few commands, I`ve never really understand the linux structure and the idea of distros. What will be different from the squeeze I downloaded, to the Raspbian I`m about to use?
[15:26] <haltdef> it'll "feel" the same
[15:26] <ReggieUK> FrozenCow, it's not a complete rebuild but it's enough of a start to call it that
[15:26] <haltdef> the binaries you're running behind the scenes are making far better use of the available hardware
[15:27] <ReggieUK> you built the image from binaries
[15:27] <raynerd> and binaries are?
[15:27] <FrozenCow> it'll be mostly the same, but it has packages preinstalled or some configuration
[15:27] <haltdef> debian armel (which the official squeeze image is) is compiled for very old ARM chips
[15:27] <FrozenCow> ReggieUK: alright, yes it's a start
[15:27] <haltdef> think .exe
[15:27] <ReggieUK> binaries = linux equivalent of an exe file
[15:27] <plugwash> anything that uses floating point will be much faster, packages will be newer since it's based on wheezy rather than squeeze and a lot less is installed by default
[15:27] <ReggieUK> although....
[15:27] <raynerd> ahah! :-D
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[15:28] <raynerd> so they are all using the linux kernal (correct terminology???) but have different packages associated with it, hopefully to make better use of the pi hardware?
[15:28] <FrozenCow> *kernel :P
[15:28] <haltdef> same kernel yea
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[15:29] <ReggieUK> they use their version of the kernel (which is based on the same components for the kernel itself but has different stuff in it depending on the target cpu/hardware)
[15:29] <raynerd> head explodes
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[15:30] <Pi_iglet> brb just off to test dhmi to dvi-d cable
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[15:30] <FrozenCow> Pi_iglet: nice, I might need to get one of those too
[15:31] <haltdef> it makes a lot more sense if you were familiar with linux before getting a pi
[15:31] <simonlc> raynerd: this might interest you: https://claudiocomputing.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/infographic_debian-en-v1-01.png
[15:31] <haltdef> lol I just got sid's codename
[15:31] <haltdef> clever
[15:31] <simonlc> haha yea
[15:32] <Hexxeh> oh wow, toy story, i had no idea...
[15:32] <Hexxeh> that's awesome.
[15:32] <FrozenCow> lol never realized the naming :D
[15:33] <haltdef> only recently learned it was toy story chars myself
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[15:33] <raynerd> simonlc, thanks...
[15:34] <simonlc> :)
[15:34] <raynerd> got hexxeh raspbian running, however apt-get install tasksel doesn`t work
[15:34] <Hexxeh> apt-get update first
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[15:34] <raynerd> ah
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[15:34] <raynerd> simonlc - link saved for good read later!
[15:34] <joeka> hi!
[15:35] <haltdef> sigh, time for work
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[15:35] <FrozenCow> :'( I just can't get video playing smoothly, has anyone done this before?
[15:35] <haltdef> retail ftl
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[15:36] <shirro> FrozenCow: what player, codec, distro etc?
[15:36] <FrozenCow> I'm running omxplayer, but it just outputs: failed to open vchiq instance
[15:37] <Hexxeh> FrozenCow: distro?
[15:37] <FrozenCow> I've tried mplayer too, but that just plays at 1fps or so
[15:37] <FrozenCow> archlinux
[15:37] <FrozenCow> *archlinuxarm
[15:37] <Hexxeh> what kernel/firmware?
[15:37] <FrozenCow> 3.1.9-12+
[15:37] <shirro> what is your memory split?
[15:37] <Hexxeh> you need 128/128 iirc for video?
[15:38] <FrozenCow> what is 128/128?
[15:38] <shirro> not sure. might be able to do 192. I only tried with 128
[15:38] <Hexxeh> FrozenCow: you're probably best using rpi-update
[15:38] <Hexxeh> FrozenCow: follow these instructions
[15:38] <Hexxeh> and run "rpi-update 128"
[15:39] <shirro> probably don't have permissions right on /dev/vchiq
[15:39] <shirro> I have udev set it and I add myself to a video group
[15:39] <FrozenCow> rpi-update isn't on my machine :S
[15:39] <FrozenCow> hmm
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> Hm. why can't I nfs mount in raspbian...
[15:39] <shirro> just run it as root for testing
[15:40] <FrozenCow> aaah
[15:40] <FrozenCow> permissions, that was the problem
[15:40] <FrozenCow> i'll test again, brb
[15:41] <shirro> yeah. I have /dev/vchiq owned by group video with rw access. and I add myself to a video group.
[15:41] <FrozenCow> awesome! thx shirro, that was it
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[15:41] <FrozenCow> yes i'm in the video group, udev just isn't setup correctly i guess
[15:41] <shirro> do you have sound cos I know how to fix that
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[15:42] <FrozenCow> haven't tried whether sound is actually playing, but the device is there (alsamixer shows one)
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> doh. need nfs-common.
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[15:42] <gordonDrogon> And why does nfs-common recommend python )-:
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[15:42] <shirro> it doesn't use alsa
[15:42] <simonlc> do you guys have a video driver installed, or do I have to create a display config manually?
[15:43] <Pi_iglet> *mutters* hdmi to dvi-d cable to normal dvi-d monitor....no signal. Anyone know what config changes needed on pi side to make this work - or should it "just work"?
[15:43] <shirro> if you play a video on hdmi and no sound comes out your tv use -o hdmi
[15:43] <shirro> simonlc: archlinux?
[15:43] <simonlc> yes
[15:44] <shirro> framebuffer - fbdev
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> Pi_iglet, it should just work - that's what I'm using.
[15:44] <shirro> all the arch people ask
[15:44] <Pi_iglet> Blast!
[15:44] <FrozenCow> no sounds works fine here, I'm running it on svideo (or however the old technology is called)
[15:44] <Pi_iglet> Thanks. *Ponders*
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> FrozenCow, compost.
[15:44] <FrozenCow> haha
[15:44] <shirro> yes, I think headphone is default. not really good quality
[15:44] <FrozenCow> oh right
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[15:45] <gordonDrogon> Doom quality :)
[15:45] <FrozenCow> i don't have anything hdmi around here, so it's my only option atm :P
[15:45] <shirro> FrozenCow: play full hd on a big hdmi screen and you realise how cool this little thing really is
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> NFS: bad IP address specified: addr=2001:4d48:ad51:8900::1
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[15:46] <FrozenCow> indeed, that day will come eventually for me too ;)
[15:46] <simonlc> ah, thanks shirro, that should be somewhere for people to find
[15:46] <mjr> I'm not sure if linux supports nfs over ipv6 yet... last I checked didn't seem to
[15:46] <piless> shirro: and start browsing and realise how terrible this little thing really is
[15:46] <simonlc> I skimped over it because of the 86 in the name :I
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> no ipv6 in the kernel.
[15:47] <simonlc> has anyone tried old browsers yet? or is everyone trying to run chrome and midori?
[15:47] <shirro> piless: true. depends on what you want.
[15:47] <piless> simonlc: like lynx?
[15:48] <simonlc> yeah
[15:48] <piless> that would be silly
[15:48] <shirro> i have tried links/w3m style text things. midori, chromium, iceweasel, netsurf
[15:49] <Hexxeh> updated rpi-update
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm. was iceweasel usable?
[15:49] <Hexxeh> it now detects what split you're using rather than defaulting to 224MB
[15:49] <Hexxeh> also has offline update options now
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[15:50] <simonlc> have you tried links shirro ?
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[15:51] <simonlc> http://uzbl.org/
[15:51] <simonlc> that browser looks pretty interesting
[15:51] <shirro> I was playing eben's youtube on raspberry pi page while running htop and wigling windows about and scrolling the window etc. framerate was a joke ofcourse. was a bit of a pause while it swapped some things out at one stage. it doesn't have the cpu for decoding html video acceptably ofcourse. but responsiveness was ok. think tweaking kernel helped.
[15:52] <ReggieUK> might be worth looking for browsers that run nicely on other embedded platforms
[15:52] <shirro> i need to move onto a usb drive though
[15:52] <piless_> there's chrome for android
[15:52] <shirro> chromium should be fine if someone can get it running optimally
[15:52] <ReggieUK> either that or get some kind of pi-compatibility list up for websites and end up with our own 'channels' rather than a real browsing experience
[15:53] <piless_> ReggieUK: Give them stickers
[15:53] <ReggieUK> it seems that pi needs attacking from both ends of the spectrum really
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[15:53] <ReggieUK> stuff that works on normal desktops (for those that like the pain and experience) and stuff that works nice and lean on embedded systems
[15:54] <FrozenCow> so, for anyone who gets "failed to open vchiq instance", type this and reboot: echo 'SUBSYSTEM=="vchiq",GROUP="video",MODE="0660"' > /etc/udev/rules.d/10-vchiq-permissions.rules
[15:54] <FrozenCow> where do I put such a thing so it will be default in the next .img?
[15:55] <piless_> push it to the git
[15:55] <ReggieUK> piless_, are you being sensible or trolling?
[15:55] <piless_> no, you can give them stickers to put on their site
[15:56] <shirro> generally you should update your image not replace it. but it is worth documenting all these things or putting them in a repo
[15:56] <ReggieUK> at the very least you could put that code into the troubleshooting section on the wiki!
[15:56] <lennard> woot, reporting in via the pi now !
[15:57] <shirro> ReggieUK: it should be in the distros
[15:57] <ReggieUK> but that kind of thing would go somewhere near the end of the build phase of the script before it starts to construct the image
[15:57] <ReggieUK> shirro, indeed it should :)
[15:57] <FrozenCow> can't find anything relating to omxplayer on the wiki yet
[15:57] <ReggieUK> I have no idea how the distro maintainers are working though
[15:58] <ReggieUK> create a section for omxplayer then :)
[15:58] <shirro> it is user generated content. just do it
[15:58] <FrozenCow> alright
[15:58] <ReggieUK> FrozenCow, the wiki by nature is pretty open, so if you have valid and useful information, then that's the place to share it where everyone else can find it
[15:59] <FrozenCow> I can also do a pull request at https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware , but there isn't any info on the 'extra' files or something like that
[15:59] <shirro> i put an entry in udev for vcmem as well but I don't think anything uses it. don't know whether to suggest adding it as well or not
[15:59] <ReggieUK> FrozenCow, which extra files?
[15:59] <ReggieUK> I'm really not familiar with the distro at all
[15:59] <FrozenCow> well, udev rules are like 'extra' files, not really firmware files
[16:00] <FrozenCow> it depends on the distro where to put them too I guess
[16:00] <Hexxeh> FrozenCow: talk to pepedog, guy who did the arch image
[16:00] <shirro> if we get additional codecs the gpu is supposed to be able to talk to a daemon to check for codec files or something which distros probably should also set up except nothing uses it
[16:01] <FrozenCow> Hexxeh: thx
[16:01] <Hexxeh> could those codec files be pinched from a roku?
[16:01] <shirro> naughty. very naughty (do you have one?)
[16:02] <ReggieUK> Hexxeh, I've been thinking that very same thing
[16:02] <ReggieUK> but
[16:02] <ReggieUK> I Reckon there will be some identifying feature that stops us
[16:02] <ReggieUK> like the gpio that are connected to the i2s pins
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> Is roku based on the same SoChimp?
[16:03] <ReggieUK> those are there for hardware ID that is unused in the pi
[16:03] <ReggieUK> I bet they're used for the roku
[16:03] <shirro> roku2 is
[16:03] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, yup, they've got the same monkeys insude
[16:03] <ReggieUK> inside
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon> neat. ook.
[16:03] <shirro> i am sure they fuse some sort of id into them
[16:03] <ReggieUK> probably but I'd like to hold out that small light of hope that they don't
[16:04] <ReggieUK> and it really does rely on the configuration of some gpio at boot time
[16:04] <raynerd> hexxeh - what are ca certificates - just tried to run rpi-update and it failed
[16:04] <ReggieUK> that's how leapfrog did it
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> I'd never heard of a Roku until now - 50 quid for the box...
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> with built-in wifi.
[16:04] <Hexxeh> raynerd: they're certificates that help your browser decide whether or not to trust a sites ssl cert
[16:04] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, it's the roku2 I believe you should be looking at
[16:04] <Hexxeh> raynerd: you running debian?
[16:05] <shirro> gordonDrogon: yeah that is why all the media box people are so annoying.
[16:05] <raynerd> I`m running your raspbian
[16:05] <Hexxeh> raynerd: so apt-get install ca-certificates
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> Ah, ?100 ...
[16:05] <ReggieUK> yeah, that's what codecs cost
[16:05] <ReggieUK> ??70 :(
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> and a nice box and prettys, etc.
[16:05] <raynerd> Hehheh - cheers!
[16:05] <raynerd> hexxeh - cheers!
[16:06] <raynerd> still fails, so guess time must be set incorrectly
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> intersting. wonder what it runs under the lid ...
[16:06] <ReggieUK> shirro, leapfrog used gpio to configure board IDs on their last 3 kids consoles
[16:07] <ReggieUK> I'm not giving away any naughty secrets
[16:07] <ReggieUK> they're kernel source code is gpl :)
[16:07] <ReggieUK> their*
[16:07] <Hexxeh> raynerd: install ntpdate and use ntpdate uk.pool.ntp.org
[16:07] <ReggieUK> so you can make each of their consoles think that they're one of the other consoles
[16:08] <ReggieUK> I'm hoping that broadcom have been that lax :D
[16:08] * SpeedEvil becomes annoyed.
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> My laptop won't read the new microSD I've just bought.
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> But my phone will.
[16:09] <ReggieUK> tried a different reader?
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> So after I've completed running badblocks - which has done 3/4 passes on the SD already - I guess I'm unbzipping on the phone.
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> Also - I need to get these stamps sold on ebay.
[16:10] <ReggieUK> the readers in laptops are usually much better than the random readers people get
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[16:19] <piless_> SpeedEvil: Is the driver on your laptop card reader up to date?
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> so hole-in-bucket time now. To make raspbian put root on nfs, it needs to have initialised it's ethernet interface, but to initialise that, it needs userland mounted to do the initialisation, so ...
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> so I need a new kernel with ethernet initialisation hardwared into it, or is this initrd time?
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> piless_: It's not very well supported - for example - DMA doesn't work.
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[16:23] <Hexxeh> figured out with the help of dom why my display didn't work properly
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[16:23] <Hexxeh> got it rocking now
[16:23] <piless_> was it plugged in?
[16:23] <Hexxeh> there's some magic number you can add in config.txt to have it ignore EDID
[16:23] <Hexxeh> because the adaptor doesn't correctly report the EDID of the display it's connected to
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[16:23] <piless_> EDID?
[16:24] <Hexxeh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_display_identification_data
[16:24] <nanomad> Finally got everything working, including Wifi. Raspbian rocks!
[16:25] <piless_> nanomad: what dongle do you use?
[16:25] <nanomad> zd1211rw
[16:25] <piless_> brand?
[16:25] <nanomad> dunno, it's so old the sticker came out
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[16:25] <nanomad> guess it was something like "conitech"
[16:26] <nanomad> (had to manually install the firmware, but that was easy :P)
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[16:26] <Pi_iglet> @Hexxeh: what's the magic in config.txt? I can't get hdmi->DVI-D working
[16:26] <ReggieUK> zd1211rw, yuk
[16:26] <nanomad> ReggieUK: is it bad?
[16:26] <nanomad> I found it in my "stuff to trash" bin
[16:26] <ReggieUK> if it works for you then it's great :)
[16:27] <ReggieUK> I just had experience with the drivers a number of years back and it sucked
[16:27] <piless_> is zd1211rw the chipset?
[16:27] <ReggieUK> yes
[16:27] <nanomad> yes
[16:27] <nanomad> pretty common el-cheapo chipset back in the days
[16:27] <nanomad> from what i can see
[16:27] <nanomad> 54g only
[16:27] <piless_> Is there support for RTL8187?
[16:27] <ReggieUK> it would cop out of trying to connect because someone had set a low retry count in the driver, hardcoded it
[16:28] <ReggieUK> I'm sure the zd1211rw did a/b/g
[16:28] <nanomad> yes it should
[16:28] <nanomad> (to ReggieUK )
[16:29] <ReggieUK> from memory the driver used to be a tad unstable
[16:29] <nanomad> piless_: ./kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8187:
[16:29] <nanomad> rtl8187.ko
[16:29] <ReggieUK> that was a few years back
[16:29] <nanomad> piless_: so the driver is here
[16:29] <nanomad> I was wondering what kind of browser (if any) where you using?
[16:30] <nanomad> s/where/are/
[16:30] <piless_> they are all terrible
[16:31] <nanomad> piless_: yeah, I figured that. Altough midori seems to be the "fastest" here. But maybe I missed something
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[16:32] <Pi_iglet> Using Chromium here - Midori doesn't seem very reliable and flashes some images...and crashes
[16:34] <Hexxeh> Pi_iglet: depends, you need to be careful with it apparently
[16:34] <Hexxeh> make sure you try *everything* else first
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[16:35] <nanomad> Hexxeh: seems like rpi-updater hardlocks my pi
[16:35] <nanomad> O.o
[16:35] <Hexxeh> nanomad: any errors? what distro
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> does midori support javascript on raspbian yet?
[16:35] <nanomad> raspbian Hexxeh
[16:36] <Hexxeh> nanomad: i wrote it on raspbian, worked fine :/
[16:36] <nanomad> I'm checking the logs now
[16:36] <Hexxeh> any overclocking etc?
[16:36] <plugwash> nanomad, have you got the min_free_kbytes setting in /etc/sysctl.conf ?
[16:36] <nanomad> plugwash: yes
[16:37] <Hexxeh> plugwash: what's the full thing that needs to be added? need to make a note of that
[16:37] <nanomad> vm.min_free_kbytes=8192
[16:37] <plugwash> also iirc hexxeh's image is slightly overclocked by default
[16:37] <plugwash> you might want to turn that off
[16:37] <nanomad> plugwash: I've removed it :P
[16:38] <Hexxeh> i've not found a single Pi that causes a problem on yet... :)
[16:38] <Hexxeh> also arch has the same thing by default
[16:38] <nanomad> ok, installing less to see what dmesg says
[16:40] <Pi_iglet> Ok hexxeh, thanks. Just frurating not to be able to have this pi on a DVi-D monitor.
[16:40] <nanomad> nothing there
[16:40] <Hexxeh> Pi_iglet: played with hdmi_group and hdmi_mode?
[16:40] <Hexxeh> force_hdmi_hotplug is handy too if you never need composite
[16:41] <nanomad> Hexxeh: the strange thing is it worked fine on archlinuxarm
[16:41] <Hexxeh> there was a change related to hdmi_group
[16:41] <Hexxeh> raspbian uses newer firmware
[16:41] <Hexxeh> arch is too old to be affected
[16:42] <nanomad> (i was talking about the rpi-updater stuff)
[16:42] <Hexxeh> oh
[16:42] <Hexxeh> how odd
[16:42] <nanomad> :P
[16:42] <Pi_iglet> not yet... will read up
[16:44] <nanomad> Well, somehow I forgot about the 800Mhz stuff
[16:44] <nanomad> weird
[16:45] <nanomad> It worked now that runs at stock freq
[16:45] <Hexxeh> wow, congrats, first pi that can't do 800mhz i've seen so far
[16:45] <nanomad> Only when I run rpi-updater
[16:45] * Hexxeh has three that have ran flat out for two weeks or so without issue at 800mhz
[16:46] <nanomad> or maybe I was hitting another race condition, who knows
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[16:46] <nanomad> I'll keep running it at 800Mhz to see if it happnes again
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[16:49] <friggle> yeah, I've never known an issue with 800mhz
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> mines still at 900...
[16:49] <friggle> gordonDrogon: with no overvolt?
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> none.
[16:49] <friggle> kewl
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> Pi2 running stock debian died, but I'd not given it the turbo=no thingy yet.
[16:51] <nanomad> gordonDrogon: died as in? crashed? or dead dead?
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> ohm jsut crashed. I was doing a big nfs xfer at the time and it just locked up. power cycle and it was fine.
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[16:51] <nanomad> btw, where can I see the "compilation settings" currently in use on raspbian?
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[16:52] <plugwash> not sure if there is a way to force gcc to tell you, if there isn't you could always look at the gcc-4.6 source package
[16:53] <nanomad> good point plugwash
[16:53] <nanomad> (found something on the forum in the meanwhile)
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[16:59] <raynerd> Guys, just been out for a bit but while out, I updated my raspbian and yet when including: "100 additional "standard" Linux packages. with tasksel. However, once logged in, I see virtually nothing!! Not even a webbrowser!??
[16:59] <nanomad> raynerd: there's no web browser on raspbian
[16:59] <raynerd> ahh
[16:59] <nanomad> just a file manager, a window manager
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[16:59] <nanomad> and a terminal
[16:59] <Viperfang> Got sed? grep? cat? There all need to be compiled :P
[16:59] <chaoshax> How come I don't have a config.txt in /boot/config.txt?
[16:59] <chaoshax> Do I need to create one?
[17:00] <raynerd> have just done rpi-update and it seems to have frozen!
[17:00] <Viperfang> chaoshax: only if you need to use it
[17:00] <chaoshax> Viperfang, Yes I want to overclock too 800mhz.
[17:00] <nanomad> Uh-oh, raynerd frozen as in?
[17:00] <Viperfang> then you need to create one :-)
[17:00] <nanomad> does ssh work?
[17:00] <chaoshax> OK
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> nanomad, sure does.
[17:01] <raynerd> nanomad - frozen as in not doing anything and my mouse doesn`t even move!
[17:01] <nanomad> raynerd: try to SSH into the box
[17:01] <raynerd> ?!?!?
[17:01] <nanomad> ssh root@ip.of.pi
[17:01] <raynerd> can`t even type into it
[17:01] <nanomad> from another machine
[17:01] <chaoshax> Viperfang, Does overclocking shorten the life or is it only overvolting?
[17:01] <D34TH> :/
[17:01] <nanomad> :/
[17:01] <lee> from another machine
[17:02] <D34TH> lolnano
[17:02] <nanomad> eh
[17:02] <raynerd> oh! sorry....
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, go 900, you know you want to :)
[17:02] <nanomad> raynerd: did you got your rpi recently?
[17:02] <raynerd> today
[17:02] <nanomad> uhm
[17:02] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, Indeed I do but I am not sure if it will damage it.
[17:02] <raynerd> why, should I be concerned?
[17:03] <nanomad> raynerd: let us know if you can ssh to the box
[17:03] <nanomad> raynerd: not really
[17:03] <raynerd> OK, let me try and find rpi ip!?!
[17:03] <Viperfang> chaoshax: I expect it will shorten its life, but dont quote me on that
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, overclocking is unlikely to harm it - overvolting may - according to Dom ...
[17:04] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, Yeah I saw that video, wasn't sure on the opinion on overclocking.
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[17:04] <chaoshax> Will go for 800 to play safe, maybe 900 if I am feeling naughty
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> search the Pi forums for posts from Dom on the subject... My first Pi has been OK at 900MHz for 2-3 weeks now...
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> I did try it at 1000, but it never started :)
[17:05] <nanomad> gordonDrogon: do you see a visible performance boost?
[17:05] <chaoshax> Did you change gpu freq?
[17:05] <raynerd> My Bt homehub doesn`t think anything is connected to it!
[17:05] <nanomad> lol
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> nanomad, yes. I did some benchmarks and it was more or less linear.
[17:05] <nanomad> well, you only have 255 IP to test
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> I've levt GPU freq at 250 for now, but I upped SDRAM to 500MHz. (from 400)
[17:06] <raynerd> Is there any milage in just unplugging the pi?
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> arm_freq=900
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> gpu_freq=250
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> sdram_freq=500
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> BogoMIPS : 898.66
[17:06] <nanomad> raynerd: I want to check if it's just busy or crashed X or totally deadlocked
[17:07] <raynerd> ahh, I see. Is there any way to find the ip?
[17:07] <chaoshax> Do you have to include every parameter if you are going to use config.txt?
[17:07] <nanomad> as it happened to me too, and we are the first two to report this
[17:07] <chaoshax> Even if I am not changing them?
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, no - just the ones you want to change.
[17:07] <raynerd> ewww!
[17:07] <raynerd> my mouse it working again!
[17:07] <nanomad> see? lol
[17:07] <Hexxeh> nanomad: you're running rpi-update under X?
[17:07] <nanomad> yes I was
[17:07] <Hexxeh> ah, probably not a good idea
[17:07] <nanomad> why?
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, ah.... you need the smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N fix ...
[17:08] <raynerd> but the window is still frozen?? Setting up firmware (this will take a few minutes)
[17:08] <nanomad> give it a bit of time
[17:08] <nanomad> it's just busy
[17:08] <Hexxeh> it takes a long time
[17:08] <Hexxeh> especially if you're under X
[17:08] <raynerd> ok
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> without that my Pi would appear to die when doing lots of network traffic, but it would come back - most of the time - eventually.
[17:08] <chris_99> what do you mean turbo mode fix gordonDrogon
[17:08] <chaoshax> What's the advantage of updating firmware?
[17:08] <chris_99> that didn't fix it for me gordonDrogon
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> prepend smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N to the line in /boot/cmdline.txt
[17:08] <nanomad> chaoshax: bug fixes?
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> oh ...
[17:09] <chaoshax> nanomad, never noticed any bugs, what ones are there?
[17:09] <raynerd> +gordonDrogon - what does that fix mean? What do I need to do?
[17:09] <chris_99> i still get kernel panics with that 'fix'
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> edit /boot/cmdline.txt - prepend that to the single line it contains.
[17:09] <nanomad> chaoshax: dunno really, but if you check github you'll see what's getting fixed
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, I've never seen a kernel panic though.
[17:10] <chaoshax> nanomad, what's the firmware repo?
[17:10] <chris_99> oh, i get kernel panics with BT
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> The other "fix" is putting this: vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288 into /etc/sysctl.conf
[17:10] <nanomad> chaoshax: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[17:10] <chris_99> i tried that too, gordonDrogon
[17:10] <chaoshax> Cheers
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, )-:
[17:10] <raynerd> lol - I have no idea what any of that meant! sorry ... :-(
[17:10] <chaoshax> Yeah I don't want to brick it.
[17:10] <chris_99> i managed to log the kernel panic though, but it doesn't make any sense
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> I did see some weird panics when I had a wireless mouse and a URF USB modules plugged in - and from what I gether the USB driver is still somewhat a work in progress...
[17:11] <raynerd> what is a kernel panic?
[17:11] <chris_99> as i haven't been able to replicate from a debug kernel yet
[17:11] <nanomad> raynerd: I guess you don't have much linux experience :P
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, sort of same as windows BSOD, but often the Linux kernel can keep going with some of them.
[17:11] <nanomad> raynerd: http://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CGIQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKernel_panic&ei=TvLAT8uMGsnYtAbDrZTcCg&usg=AFQjCNEjZKsYlXzx0gN3NJHr0lsm40ZlNQ&sig2=i1xb8Ax5HVKEPdVCnzvqvw
[17:11] <nanomad> sorry, damn google
[17:11] <nanomad> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_panic
[17:12] <chris_99> this is the panic i get http://www.anfractuosity.com/?p=558
[17:12] <raynerd> you guessed right.... in 2005 I downloaded Ubuntu, hated it and then about 3 months ago downloaded Debian and got peed off trying to install .deb files
[17:12] <chris_99> it's easy, just 'dpkg -i blah.deb'
[17:13] <nanomad> unless you have deps to met
[17:13] <nanomad> that's why you don't usually install debs manually
[17:13] <chris_99> apt-get install -f
[17:13] <chris_99> normally helps
[17:13] <nanomad> yes it does
[17:13] <nanomad> chris_99: was that with a debug kernel?
[17:13] <chaoshax> Apt helps loads :)
[17:13] <chris_99> no, with the normal kernel nanomad
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[17:14] <chris_99> hence the lack of debugging info
[17:14] <nanomad> I guess you didn't manage to reproduce the bug
[17:14] <chris_99> oh its reproducable
[17:14] <chaoshax> So I guess there are people cross compiling packages to arm?
[17:14] <raynerd> I`m still waiting for this :-S
[17:14] <chris_99> i just use bittorrent
[17:14] <chaoshax> Going to take a long time right?
[17:14] <chris_99> and bam
[17:14] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/KfNmK.jpg
[17:14] <megaproxy> =3
[17:14] <nanomad> chris_99: run a debug kernel and get the "better" output
[17:14] <nanomad> should be easy
[17:15] <chris_99> that's what i'm trying atm
[17:15] <chris_99> but i haven't had it panic
[17:15] <chris_99> weirdly
[17:15] <raynerd> On a more positive note, might try and print a case for my pi tonight on my printer. :-D Gives me a new project
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> doesn't mean too much to me - I'm not a kernel dev, however, are you mounting ntfs stuff? if not, get rid of fuse - apt-get purge fuse
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, nice AAO in white - I have one too :)
[17:15] <nacimep> dont think nfs uses fuse
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> nfs doesn't need fuse, but nTfs does...
[17:16] <nanomad> and it seems like fuse is built in
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> purge it :)
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> there's a lot of stuff "built in" with the Raspberry Pi Debian image.
[17:16] <chris_99> heh, they're pretty nice aren't they gordonDrogon, except my battery doesn't work
[17:16] <raynerd> other than physical damage, is there any way to kill a pi?
[17:16] <nacimep> oh i saw ntfs and it looked like nfs
[17:16] <Hexxeh> raynerd: overvolting
[17:16] <nanomad> seems to be related to the network stack btw
[17:17] <nacimep> i choose to not recognize winsuck crap
[17:17] <nanomad> Process ifplugd
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, I get about an hour on mine if I'm lucky now ... You can still get new ones though.
[17:17] <chaoshax> Well isn't overvolting technically physical damage?
[17:17] <chris_99> yeah i ordered one from ebay that didn't last too long unfourtunately
[17:17] <nanomad> chaoshax: yes it is
[17:17] <raynerd> yea, I meant like killing it from the software side of it..
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, Hm. probably wouldn't use ebay myself, however...
[17:17] <RaYmAn> chris_99: software controlled physical damage ;)
[17:17] <RaYmAn> err, chaoshax
[17:18] <RaYmAn> (damn nick-complete :P)
[17:18] <raynerd> lol,
[17:18] <chaoshax> Yes I think there's a risk of some kids overvolting them.
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[17:18] <chaoshax> Need an iq test before accessing config.txt
[17:18] <raynerd> OK, it has been 20 mins now on rpi-update!
[17:18] <nanomad> raynerd: unplug the power?
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, http://www.laptopbatteryshop.co.uk/laptop-batteries/acer-aspire-one-a110-series.htm
[17:19] <raynerd> OK, does that seem an overly long time even in x?
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, probably...
[17:19] <nanomad> yes
[17:19] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: tbh, there is a fairly good chance that you can't overvolt it sufficiently to actually break it - not that I fancy trying ;)
[17:19] <chris_99> gordonDrogon, cheers
[17:19] <nanomad> at worst you'll have to re-write the image to the sdcard raynerd
[17:19] <raynerd> sure, OK
[17:19] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: you could overvolt it to the point where it didn't last very long
[17:19] <RaYmAn> true
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[17:21] <plugwash> how much will the firmware let you overvolt a Pi by anyway?
[17:22] <nanomad> ?pplugwash: Wiki says -> don't specify values above zero, but if you do, don't go above 8.
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[17:23] <gordonDrogon> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Overclocking_options
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> 0.8v to 1.4v
[17:23] <Hexxeh> no turning it up to 11?
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> the default is 1.2v
[17:23] <Hexxeh> :(
[17:23] <nanomad> I'm going to try a bit of undervolting next :P
[17:23] <plugwash> that page seems to indicate a range of -16 to 8 but it doesn't make it clear whether that is just an advised range or an actual limit
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> the range appears to be -16 to 8!
[17:24] <plugwash> e.g. if someone where to specify a value of 16 would the pi run at 1.6v?
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> they are in 0.25v steps.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, good question, but I suspect the voltage generator has limits...
[17:24] * D34TH build an arc reactor
[17:24] <D34TH> mad scientist pi
[17:24] <raynerd> gordonDrogon, you told me before to prepend smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N to the line in /boot/cmdline.txt - I have googled "prepend" but I don`t want to muck it up... so do I need to cd to that directory? then.....
[17:25] <nanomad> raynerd: open the config.txt
[17:25] <nanomad> add what gordonDrogon said at the beginning
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, it means to stick that text at the start of the line, then a space, then the rest of what's on that line.
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> so my /boot/cmdline.txt looks like:
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[17:26] <D34TH> ext4ftw
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[17:26] <raynerd> ok, trying now
[17:27] * PhonRaspPi just bought 4x 8GB SD cards ^_^
[17:27] <chaoshax> How come I get -100 errors when booting but it actually boots?
[17:27] <chaoshax> It takes a while though
[17:27] <PhonRaspPi> chaoshax, are they errors about the SD card?
[17:27] <chaoshax> Yeah
[17:27] <PhonRaspPi> i get those as well
[17:27] <PhonRaspPi> it usually boots after a few moments
[17:28] <raynerd> cant even find /boot!
[17:28] <D34TH> hmm
[17:28] <raynerd> got it
[17:28] <D34TH> cd /boot
[17:28] <PhonRaspPi> i love my pi :D
[17:28] <PhonRaspPi> its very fast after an overclock and some other tweaks
[17:28] <chaoshax> What overclock you at?
[17:28] <PhonRaspPi> 875
[17:29] <PhonRaspPi> stock voltage
[17:29] <chaoshax> Cool
[17:29] <raynerd> I can`t even bloody open the file now... execute and nothing opens!
[17:29] <chaoshax> Debian image then?
[17:29] <PhonRaspPi> yeah
[17:30] <PhonRaspPi> the fedora one is pretty much garbage right now
[17:30] <nanomad> raynerd: you need to use an editor for that
[17:30] <chaoshax> Bleh I gotta try rsapbmc later
[17:30] <nanomad> i.e. nano or leafpad (if you have it installed)
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[17:30] <raynerd> lol, and one isn`t installed!
[17:30] <PhonRaspPi> what is raynerd trying to do?
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, sudo nano cmdline.txt
[17:30] <raynerd> ok
[17:30] <nanomad> no sudo, he hasn't it
[17:30] <nanomad> :P
[17:31] <PhonRaspPi> what is qtonpi?
[17:31] <nanomad> PhonRaspPi: QT on PI
[17:31] <nanomad> i.e. using OpenGL ES
[17:31] <raynerd> PhonRasPi - if only I knew :-S
[17:31] <PhonRaspPi> ah
[17:31] <PhonRaspPi> ill try that out then
[17:31] <nanomad> unless you are a dev it has no use to you PhonRaspPi
[17:31] <PhonRaspPi> i am a dev
[17:31] <nanomad> then go for it!
[17:32] <PhonRaspPi> maybe i'll try and get KDE4 on it xD
[17:32] <PhonRaspPi> i kid
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> xfce4 is working on it - ok within the limitations.
[17:32] <PhonRaspPi> what was that media player OS that got a build for the pi?
[17:32] <chaoshax> Raspbmc
[17:33] <nanomad> xbmc (raspxbmc or OpenElec)
[17:33] <PhonRaspPi> openelec
[17:33] <raynerd> OK, appreciate I`ll be pissing people off now as I`m getting mad with myself but I thought I`d been clever installing synaptic so that I can install other stuff.... synaptic won`t open???
[17:33] <PhonRaspPi> that was it
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> I've never used synaptic...
[17:33] <PhonRaspPi> anyone got a link?
[17:33] <PhonRaspPi> raynerd, sudo synaptic ?
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[17:33] <nanomad> or run it from the terminal
[17:34] <PhonRaspPi> ive got synaptic on mine
[17:34] <PhonRaspPi> works fine
[17:34] <raynerd> bad command :-(
[17:34] <nanomad> don't use sudo
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[17:34] <nanomad> just run synaptic
[17:34] <PhonRaspPi> that wont work
[17:34] <PhonRaspPi> synaptic needs root perms
[17:34] <PhonRaspPi> and the standard image has no root pw
[17:35] <raynerd> hey, that worked!!
[17:35] <nanomad> what standard image PhonRaspPi ?
[17:35] <PhonRaspPi> the debian one
[17:35] <nanomad> PhonRaspPi: sounds like he's using raspbian then
[17:35] <PhonRaspPi> ah
[17:35] <raynerd> I am using raspbian
[17:35] <PhonRaspPi> i should try out raspbian
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[17:36] <piless> raspbian looks a lot less bloated
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[17:36] <PhonRaspPi> what de does it ship with?
[17:37] <nanomad> almost nothing
[17:37] <nanomad> i.e. there's a minimal lxde install but that's it
[17:37] <PhonRaspPi> also why isnt it in the official mirrors?
[17:37] <PhonRaspPi> thats fine, thats all i want
[17:37] <PhonRaspPi> i might install Xfce though
[17:38] <piless> PhonRaspPi: http://distribution.hexxeh.net/raspbian/raspbian-r3.zip
[17:38] <PhonRaspPi> ty
[17:39] <piless> PhonRaspPi: http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[17:39] <PhonRaspPi> hmm i need to make a in-ram 'flashing' image
[17:39] <D34TH> piless is that compatibly with rpi emulator
[17:39] <plugwash> there is no such thing as a rpi emulator
[17:39] <nanomad> Maybe he means qemu
[17:39] <plugwash> at least not at the moment and probablly not in the forseable future
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[17:40] <PhonRaspPi> qemu-arm is probably the closest thing to an rpi emulator
[17:40] <plugwash> you CAN run raspbian in qemu but it requires a different kernel and a different qemu configuration from running the foundations images in qemu
[17:40] <PhonRaspPi> you could have an environment in it that built binary compatible executables
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[17:40] <PhonRaspPi> 2x 8GB SD cards for ?10 :)
[17:40] <PhonRaspPi> so i bought 2 packs xD
[17:41] <chaoshax> I think my pi is going to break my record up time.
[17:41] <piless> PhonRaspPi: what brand?
[17:41] <PhonRaspPi> PNY
[17:41] <PhonRaspPi> from a comet
[17:41] <PhonRaspPi> t was shutting own xD
[17:41] <chaoshax> Bleh I just use memory sticks for storage
[17:41] <PhonRaspPi> *down
[17:41] <PhonRaspPi> these are for me to stick OSs on
[17:41] <chaoshax> Now you need to buy 4 pis
[17:42] <raynerd> OK, I`m confused! From inside the GUI I don`t seem to be able to open any installed programs but using terminal I can. For example, nano is apparently installed yet text files won`t open in the GUI!
[17:42] <chaoshax> I have a activation code, might stick it on ebay.
[17:42] <PhonRaspPi> raynerd, have you installed leafpad or similar?
[17:42] <plugwash> if you want to run raspbian in qemu http://archive.raspbian.org/qemu/
[17:42] <piless> I bought a sandisk 8gb for ??4.50 off amazon with free shipping
[17:42] <raynerd> not that I know of or not knowingly
[17:43] <PhonRaspPi> piless, what class?
[17:43] <PhonRaspPi> raynerd, then install leafpad
[17:43] <piless> PhonRaspPi: The boring blue ones, so 4
[17:43] <PhonRaspPi> these are class 6
[17:43] <raynerd> apt-get install leafpad ?
[17:43] <mjr> nano isn't a gui program so the gui probably doesn't think it worth it to open text files with it
[17:43] <PhonRaspPi> yup
[17:43] <PhonRaspPi> ^
[17:44] <PhonRaspPi> either that or its trying to open it and nano immediately closes because no console is attatched
[17:44] <raynerd> Also however, things like synaptic are showing in the GUI but won`t open by clicking on them, yet in terminal synaptic opens
[17:45] <PhonRaspPi> who runs raspbian?
[17:45] <piless> everyone
[17:45] <PhonRaspPi> i mean who runs the site
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> me waves a raspbian pi here.
[17:45] <PhonRaspPi> id like to offer them a mirror :P
[17:45] <nanomad> Actually it's
[17:45] * nanomad waves a raspbian pi here.
[17:45] <chaoshax> Really, I just use the debain image
[17:45] <PhonRaspPi> mines debian, gonna try raspbian on another SD
[17:46] <PhonRaspPi> and openelec
[17:46] <PhonRaspPi> anyone got a path to a rpi image for OpenElec?
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[17:47] <piless> PhonRaspPi: http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/
[17:48] <PhonRaspPi> sweet
[17:48] <nanomad> piless: isn't that the "sources" i.e. not the image
[17:48] <piless> I don't know whether these are outdated or not
[17:48] <nanomad> ?
[17:48] <raynerd> Sorry, could anyone tell me then why clicking preferences --> synaptic manager won`t work, yet opening in terminal will. Same with many many other packages, most of which are not evenm displaying in the GUI?
[17:49] <nanomad> raynerd: not a clue
[17:49] <chaoshax> Neither do I.
[17:49] <raynerd> Balls
[17:49] <chaoshax> Reimage if I was you
[17:49] <nanomad> you should check synaptic's desktop file
[17:49] <PhonRaspPi> raynerd, do you have an "other" category?
[17:49] <raynerd> nope
[17:49] <PhonRaspPi> no idea then
[17:49] <raynerd> just accessories and preferences
[17:49] <nanomad> raynerd: go to /usr/share/applications
[17:50] <nanomad> check if there's a synaptic.desktop
[17:50] <raynerd> file manager does open in the GUI btw, ok Yes, it is there
[17:50] <piless> PhonRaspPi: I think mpthompson is involved with raspbian
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[17:51] <nanomad> raynerd: can you upload it somewhere?
[17:51] <nanomad> (my board is off now)
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[17:51] <raynerd> let me try - you mean just copy the file somewhere so you can download it?
[17:52] <PhonRaspPi> can someone /version me and copy the output?
[17:52] <PhonRaspPi> see if it says i'm on my pi
[17:52] <nanomad> 17:51:06 freenode -- | CTCP reply from PhonRaspPi: VERSION xchat 2.8.8 Linux 3.1.9+ [armv6l]
[17:52] <PhonRaspPi> woo :)
[17:52] <nanomad> raynerd: yes, like mediafire
[17:52] <PhonRaspPi> pastebin
[17:52] <PhonRaspPi> better for text files
[17:53] <Hexxeh> teh_orph's DMA module is on github now
[17:53] <Hexxeh> missing the X side of things still though
[17:53] <lee> farnell have sent me shipping confirmations for two orders, the first one I placed on the 3rd march, and another on the 4th after they sent out their 'preorder' email, awesome!
[17:53] <PhonRaspPi> is X just using the framebugger right now?
[17:53] <raynerd> yes, will need to get a webbrowser, any suggestions?
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[17:53] <nanomad> raynerd: midori
[17:53] <PhonRaspPi> raynerd, for simple sites - links2
[17:53] <nanomad> PhonRaspPi: yes
[17:53] <PhonRaspPi> for anything else, midori
[17:53] <piless> lee: That's a bit naughty of them, they are supposed to be sticking to one per person
[17:54] <lee> I was assuming one or the other would be cancelled
[17:54] <PhonRaspPi> so what's the state of a proper X module exactly?
[17:54] <nanomad> none? There's a guy on the forum working on something x-related
[17:54] <nanomad> but no public code yet
[17:55] <Hexxeh> some public code
[17:55] <Hexxeh> but not enough for it to be usable
[17:55] <Simon-> Hexxeh: where on github?
[17:55] <nanomad> PhonRaspPi: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=4649
[17:55] <Hexxeh> Simon-: https://github.com/simonjhall
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[17:57] <Simon-> so no use then :/
[17:57] <nanomad> not *yet*
[17:57] <Simon-> the kernel already has a dma engine subsystem
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[17:58] <nanomad> Simon-: from what I can see it's a DMA implementation for the rpi hardware
[17:59] <Simon-> yes but it's another one of these "hack something into the kernel using the wrong interface"
[17:59] <Simon-> I'll get around to writing a dma engine driver if bootc doesn't get there first
[17:59] <bootc> Simon-: I'll be busy with more SPI and I2C work for some time to come I think
[18:00] <Hexxeh> Simon-: i don't think most people will care as long as it works better than what we have now
[18:01] <shirro> it is a proof of concept though. not everyone has kernel hacking experience. the interface could be changed later by someone with that knowledge couldn't it
[18:01] <Simon-> not really, but it shouldn't be too difficult to write
[18:01] <Simon-> it's just that I'm currently working on usb instead
[18:02] <shirro> there are going to be a lot of people doing stuff on the pi outside their usual stuff. i am sure most of them know they aren't doing stuff perfectly but how do you learn except by trying and getting feedback
[18:02] <nanomad> indeed
[18:02] <friggle> Simon-: teh_orph is on the linux-rpi-kernel mailing list and very happy to take feedback I'm sure
[18:02] <nanomad> you should suggest him to go "the pr
[18:02] <nanomad> wtf
[18:02] <friggle> Simon-: his main focus at the moment is of course get it working :)
[18:02] <[SLB]> is the firmware update independent from the particular distro one is using or to have benefit of the improvements you guys are working on, one must use a particular distro?
[18:03] <shirro> yeah, whatever it takes to prove the concept I reckon. clean it up after
[18:03] <nanomad> anyawy, shirro point him to the correct driver interface. At least it will stay on the ML for reference
[18:03] <Simon-> [SLB]: firmware updates are independent
[18:03] <shirro> no not me. i wouldn't know. simon or bootc or someone
[18:03] <Simon-> [SLB]: the stuff I'm working on will go into the kernel for everyone's benefit
[18:04] <friggle> well currently, the bcm-specific interface is the one to work
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[18:04] <[SLB]> ah nice thanks
[18:04] <friggle> until someone does the support for the kernel api
[18:04] <nanomad> shirro: yes, that was to Simon- (damn tab completion)
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[18:05] <[SLB]> i was wondering because i'm most likely going to use the fedora image once i get my rasp, being a redhat user since like forever, but if for the raspi in particular there's something better around i'd surely give it a go eheh
[18:06] <[SLB]> seems like deb is having the majority of share here so far?
[18:06] <chaoshax> Yes
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[18:06] <[SLB]> i see eheh
[18:07] <BCMM> this probably mostly reflects the relative popularity of fedora and debian in general
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[18:07] <PhonRaspPi> the fedora image barely works
[18:07] <BCMM> (and that elephant in the room, "other .deb-based distros")
[18:07] <PhonRaspPi> *cough* *buntu
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[18:08] <PhonRaspPi> bbl
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[18:12] <DaQatz> Hmm pibots server seems to be overheating. think a fan died. Better move him to a diff one.
[18:13] <PhonRaspPi> this feels a lot more like a desktop with Xfce4
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[18:13] <DaQatz> xfce is nice
[18:13] <DaQatz> I use it on my full desktop
[18:13] <mkopack> I'
[18:13] <PhonRaspPi> also feels faster, maybe thats just me though
[18:13] <mkopack> m getting really pissed off with trying to get ROS to install
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[18:14] <piless> ros?
[18:15] <nanomad> piless: http://www.ros.org/wiki/
[18:15] <mkopack> I'm trying to get it built, as per some instructions that somebody posted for doing it on an RPi, and I keep getting an error that I don't understand and can't get around
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[18:16] <nanomad> post the error?
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[18:16] <mkopack> [simulator_gazebo] Installing https://code.ros.org/svn/release/download/stacks/simulator_gazebo/simulator_gazebo-1.6.7/simulator_gazebo-1.6.7.tar.bz2 (simulator_gazebo-1.6.7) to /home/mkopack/ros/simulator_gazebo
[18:16] <mkopack> ERROR [vcstools] Tarball download unpack failed: [Errno 28] No space left on device[/vcstools]
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[18:16] <nanomad> ??lol
[18:17] <nanomad> sounds like you are out space
[18:17] <piless> are you using eros?
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[18:18] <PhonRaspPi> ooh my terminal is transparent
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[18:21] <mkopack> Actually, looking at it more, it's looking like they're using vcstools and the tar.py script is trying to access a variable called tempdir before it's been created or assigned anything
[18:21] <mkopack> (that was farther down in the output)
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> anyone (know if anyone is) doing One-Wire on the Pi? I did some stuff on an avr some time back and it's fairly timing critical - just wondering if it's worth trying it on the Pi...
[18:24] <mkopack> Ok, maybe this is why...
[18:25] <mkopack> It's trying to write the tar ball into /tmp/(some new temp dir)
[18:25] <mkopack> I bet I don't have enough space in /tmp
[18:25] <mkopack> Here's my df output:
[18:25] <mkopack> rootfs 29613916 1834044 26276540 7% /
[18:26] <mkopack> tmpfs 22336 228 22108 2% /run
[18:26] <mkopack> tmpfs 5120 0 5120 0% /run/lock
[18:26] <mkopack> tmpfs 44668 10072 34596 23% /tmp
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> mkopack, not sure what your doing but /tmp is in / which is all one filesystem (by default)
[18:26] <mkopack> tmpfs 10240 0 10240 0% /dev
[18:26] <mkopack> tmpfs 44668 0 44668 0% /run/shm
[18:26] <mkopack> Well, then WTF?
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> Ah, you have /tmp/ as tmpfs.
[18:26] <mkopack> Well, this is the way raspbian set it up
[18:26] <mkopack> Is there some way I can change that so it'll be on / again?
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> ah yes, so it is.
[18:26] <mkopack> I'm thinking that's why I'm running out of space
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> edit /etc/fstab and comment out the /tmp/ line.
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> then reboot
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> or...
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[18:27] <mkopack> there isn't one!
[18:27] <mkopack> Here's my stab:
[18:27] <mkopack> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
[18:27] <arfonzo> hi all, is there a way to resize my root partition? It's only 2 GB and my sd card is 8gb.
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> you could export TMPFS=/var/tmp
[18:27] <mkopack> / dev/mmcblk0p1 /boot vfat defaults 0 0
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> arfonzo, hi - check this: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[18:28] <mkopack> / dev / sda3 none swap sw 0 0
[18:28] <mkopack> ok, so just put that in my .bashrc ?
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> well, just type it before running the command.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> assuming it honours the TMPFS envionment variable.
[18:29] <arfonzo> gordonDrogon: great, thanks!
[18:29] <arfonzo> df -h
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> make sure /vatr/tmp exists though :)
[18:29] <arfonzo> oops
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> sudo mkdir /var/tmp ; sudo chmod 1777 /var/tmp
[18:30] <mkopack> yeah it's already there
[18:30] <arfonzo> gordonDrogon: on running resize2fs, the output is: The filesystem is already 458157 blocks long. Nothing to do!
[18:30] <mkopack> ok, trying now
[18:30] <PhonRaspPi> I understand that the GPU shares the RAM with everything else
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> arfonzo, did you reboot after the fdisk commands
[18:30] <PhonRaspPi> can i adjust the amount?
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> PhonRaspPi, yes, to a degree.
[18:31] <nanomad> PhonRaspPi: yes, chage the start.elf you are using
[18:31] <PhonRaspPi> ah
[18:31] <chaoshax> PhonRaspPi, Yes
[18:31] <mkopack> PhonRaspPi: Yeah, in /boot, copy one of the other .elf 's over the top of start.elf and reboot
[18:31] <PhonRaspPi> aaaah i see, arm224_start.elf etc etc
[18:31] <nanomad> yes
[18:31] <mkopack> You have 3 options??? The # in the file indicates how much is going to the CPU
[18:31] <arfonzo> gordonDrogon: I've already got an arch build here, it's not a new install, can I not do this after installation?
[18:31] <PhonRaspPi> yup got it
[18:32] <PhonRaspPi> so i'm guessing 192 is the default
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> arfonzo, I don't know about arch, I really wrote that for Debian.
[18:32] <PhonRaspPi> for most images
[18:32] <mkopack> ARGH GD IT! Still didn't work
[18:32] <piless_> gd = GabrialDestruir = gordonDrogon
[18:33] <PhonRaspPi> anyone know of a N64 emulator that uses OglES and an ARM dynrec?
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[18:33] <nanomad> PhonRaspPi: check on the pandora website
[18:33] <PhonRaspPi> good idea
[18:34] <PhonRaspPi> although it largely depends on if the dynrec uses any ARM7 specific instructions
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> mkopack, edit /etc/default/rcS
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> mkopack, looks for the line RAMTMP=yes
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> (near the bottom) and commend it it, reboot.
[18:35] <mkopack> k
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> I was looking at the standard debian Pi I have..
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> wheeze is making a few other things default by the look of it.
[18:37] <mkopack> I'd also love to know why I can NEVER get HDMI video to work after performing a "sudo reboot". The OK light on the Pi never turns on either, but the system usually comes up and can be SSH'ed into
[18:37] <PhonicUK> someone remind me what the line was to disable overscan compensation
[18:37] <nanomad> mkopack: have you tried forcing HDMI on?
[18:38] <mkopack> How do you do that?
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[18:38] <nanomad> PhonicUK: disable_overscan=1
[18:38] <PhonicUK> ty
[18:38] <nanomad> mkopack: hdmi_force_hotplug=1
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[18:38] <PhonicUK> whats the default username and password for raspbian?
[18:39] <nanomad> root/hexxeh i think
[18:39] <Hexxeh> yeah
[18:39] <PhonicUK> ah got it
[18:39] <nanomad> Now I have to use the RPI for something cool
[18:40] <nanomad> got any ideas?
[18:40] <PhonicUK> can i force it to run at 720p even though the display is 1080p?
[18:40] <mkopack> gordonDrogon: THANK YOU !!! That got it working
[18:40] <nanomad> PhonicUK: yes
[18:40] <PhonicUK> edit xorg.conf or some other method?
[18:40] <nanomad> PhonicUK: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[18:40] <PhonicUK> rightp
[18:40] <nanomad> hdmi_mode=4 btw
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[18:45] <PhonicUK> imna try 900mhz in a bit
[18:45] <PhonicUK> without overvolt :)
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[18:46] <lennard> ugh, it'd help if my raspi wasnt the only sdcard-capable device I own :P
[18:46] <chnopsx> my rpi is having odd graphics corruptions, like random lines getting corrupted momentarily, sometimes the monitor also loses signal for a short amount of time (but always comes back)
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[18:46] <chnopsx> anyone know what could cause that?
[18:47] <Pi_iglet> do you have another cable?
[18:48] <PhonicUK> I'm getting a lot of console messages about mmc0
[18:48] <PhonicUK> mmc0: Controller never release inhibit bit(s).
[18:48] <PhonicUK> every few moments
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[18:49] <Pi_iglet> chnopsx, if not, try config_hdmi_boost - see http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[18:49] <chnopsx> I'll try that, thanks Pi_iglet
[18:50] <PhonicUK> are there any lifespan implications with boosting the HDMI signal?
[18:50] <piless_> cancer
[18:50] <PhonicUK> lol
[18:50] <chaoshax> Where can I get javafx?
[18:51] <PhonicUK> this mmc controller warning is really annoying
[18:51] <nanomad> are you running the latest firmware PhonicUK ?
[18:51] <Pi_iglet> You'd need rpi_newbie to tell you that (he's the broadcom hdmi expert on the forum
[18:51] <PhonicUK> possibly not, how do I update it?
[18:51] <piless_> hexxeh has an updater doesn't he?
[18:51] <nanomad> http://hexxeh.net/?p=328117855
[18:51] <Hexxeh> i do
[18:51] <nanomad> yes
[18:52] <PhonicUK> is this just firmware for the SD controller?
[18:52] <PhonicUK> or the firmware that the GPU starts?
[18:52] <nanomad> PhonicUK: no for the whole board
[18:52] <PhonicUK> right
[18:52] <nanomad> (GPU, kernel, binary blobs)
[18:54] <PhonicUK> hmm, is the firmware dependent on what split Im using?
[18:54] <PhonicUK> as in will i need to change things to change what split im using later on?
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[18:55] <nanomad> PhonicUK: the updater allows you to choose it
[18:55] <nanomad> (there's an option for that)
[18:55] <PhonicUK> right, but after ive run the updater - do i need to do things if i want to change my split afterwards?
[18:56] <nanomad> The same you did before
[18:56] <PhonicUK> im running this updater on Raspbian which I've set to a 224 split, but my Debian image is set to 192
[18:56] <PhonicUK> okay
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[18:56] <nanomad> (btw on raspbian the updater is already there, no need to download it)
[18:56] <PhonicUK> so this just affects the 'default' split?
[18:56] <PhonicUK> ah okay
[18:56] <wizkid057> So, farnell export said they shipped my pi... usually how long before it reaches the USA? (they provided no tracking... :( )
[18:56] <nanomad> wizkid057: mine too 24h to the EU
[18:56] <nanomad> since they shipped it
[18:57] <nanomad> *took
[18:57] <piless_> wizkid057: did they say how they shipped it?
[18:57] <wizkid057> piless_: says UPS... but no tracking
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[18:58] <wizkid057> based on my credit card charge looks like shipping was about ??15
[18:59] <piless_> jesus christ
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> Anyone done a one-wire interface on the Pi yet? I'm thinking it's too timing critical to bit-bang out, although that's the way I do it on the Arduinos without any issues...
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[19:00] <wizkid057> gordonDrogon: guess it would depend on the baud rate
[19:00] <wizkid057> like, 2400 bps would be less timing critical than 115200 bps :P
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[19:02] <Hexxeh> PhonicUK: you can specify what split you want
[19:02] <Hexxeh> check the README
[19:02] <wizkid057> i've done data transfer at very low speeds (like 10 bits per second) using a micro controller tied to the scroll lock LED on a keyboard
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> wizkid057, well one-wire has fairly tight timings needed - like 64uS.
[19:02] <wizkid057> dallas?
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:03] <wizkid057> ah yeah, probably need the interface to be at the kernel level for those timings
[19:03] <wizkid057> or, interface with an AVR via another method then do the 1-wire on the AVR
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> well, yes, I already interface to avrs.. however.
[19:04] <FrankBuss> gordonDrogon: there is already a driver for it in the kernel, you need just activate it: http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_configure_the_Linux_kernel/drivers/w1
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> google suggests there there is a 1-wire interface in the kernel though.
[19:04] <wizkid057> && there you go
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> FrankBuss, yes - just looking now.
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[19:04] <wizkid057> i've never had the need... i always did 1-wire with the AVR
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[19:05] <wizkid057> i wonder if the 1-wire kernel module supports using a GPIO pin, though
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> ok, looks like the kernel driver won't do bit-banging over the GPIO - it's assuming some built-in 1w bus master chips...
[19:06] <FrankBuss> yes, it does, I have used this driver once for an AT91SAM9 system
[19:06] <PhonicUK> is there a bounty for an accelerated X11 module?
[19:07] <wizkid057> we dont have hardware acceleration?!
[19:07] <PhonicUK> yes we do?
[19:07] <PhonicUK> wait
[19:07] <PhonicUK> we don't for X11
[19:07] <wizkid057> it was a question and a surprise, hence the ?!
[19:07] <PhonicUK> we do for OpenGL:ES applications
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> FrankBuss, ok - I'm only looking at the x86 kernel build right now- I guess the ARM kernel might have more drivers in it - will get the Pi kernel sources soon.
[19:07] <wizkid057> no 2D accel though
[19:07] <PhonicUK> so quake 3 will run, but the desktop is slow because we're just drawing on the framebuffer
[19:08] <wizkid057> how do we play 1080p video then?
[19:08] <piless_> omx
[19:08] <PhonicUK> we have accelerated video decoding
[19:08] <wizkid057> decoding, but, writing ~400MB to the framebuffer per second generally doesnt make for smooth video
[19:09] <PhonicUK> ^
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the decode also does the frame blit to the display window...
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[19:10] <PhonicUK> either that or it takes over the output entirely and you only get full screen
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> since the GPU can write to memory faster than the ARM can.
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[19:10] <nid0> rather odd, running a mkfs for an iscsi partition on the pi is killing its wifi connection :\
[19:10] <FrankBuss> gordonDrogon: last time I used it for the Atmel chip, it was the same as with I2C: you need to add some resource in the architecture file in the kernel to tell the software emulation what GPIO pins to use, just recompiling doesn't work
[19:10] <PhonicUK> or it blits directly into video memory
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> FrankBuss, you mean ARM chip, I presume?
[19:11] <FrankBuss> yes, it was an ARM chip, AT91SAM9G20, without hardware support for 1-wire :-)
[19:11] <PhonicUK> hmm
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> FrankBuss, ok - now looking for kernel stuff :)
[19:12] <PhonicUK> someone remind me which configuration file contains the terminal setups
[19:12] <PhonicUK> so i can have multiple vts at once
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> /etc/inittab
[19:12] <PhonicUK> ty
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> so someone here bootc, hexxeh, ... ? had a howto online about getting and cross compiling a kernel for the Pi and I didn't bookmark the link )-:
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[19:13] <Hexxeh> ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=<yourtoolchaintuple> make -j3
[19:13] <Hexxeh> simples
[19:13] <bootc> gordonDrogon: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> FrankBuss, Ah, Just realising you probable mean the Atmel ARM chip here - here's me thining of the 8-bit AVRs :)
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> bootc, that was it - thanks :)
[19:13] <bootc> np
[19:14] <PhonicUK> gentoo is a really good host for a cross compilation environment
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[19:15] <Hexxeh> and even if you're not using gentoo, you can use prefix to use crossdev
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> debian debian and more debian ...
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> I still have a server running woody...
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[19:18] <nid0> there's a cross-compile guide at http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation as well
[19:18] <wizkid057> so has anyone here in the USA received their pi from farnell export?
[19:18] <nid0> i've just been doing compilations on the device though, doesnt really take that long
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[19:19] <gordonDrogon> so as a github newbie - how do I actually get the kernel sources from https://github.com/bootc/linux.git ?
[19:20] <Hexxeh> git clone https://github.com/bootc/linux.git
[19:20] <nid0> git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git --depth 1
[19:20] <bootc> yeah that
[19:20] <Hexxeh> or that
[19:20] <bootc> the second is for the official kernel
[19:20] <bootc> and --depth 1 means you don't grab the history, so it's faster
[19:21] <bootc> also note the default branch in my git has got nothing to do with rpi whatsoever :-)
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> so I should use the 2nd one?
[19:21] <bootc> so you probably actually want: git clone -b rpi-3.2.18 https://github.com/bootc/linux.git --depth 1
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> ok
[19:21] <bootc> my 3.2.18 branch should work just fine with minimum fuss
[19:22] <DaQatz> usb working on it?
[19:22] <bootc> yes on 3.2.18 everything works fine
[19:22] * gordonDrogon waits for ruralistan broadband to do its thing.
[19:22] <FrankBuss> gordonDrogon: found a DS1822Z+ in my parts bin, if you like I can try to enable 1-wire in the kernel and test it
[19:22] <bootc> it's a forward-port of the official one with a few fixes thrown in for good measure
[19:22] <bootc> FrankBuss: Gadget-Work has done just that IIRC
[19:23] <FrankBuss> oh, nice
[19:23] <bootc> using an I2C to 1-wire bridge chip, can't remember which exactly
[19:23] <bootc> I think he was using owfs though, not the in-kernel 1-wire stuff
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> FrankBuss, if you like, but I'll still do it for myself anyway. I have a bag of temp sensors to play with.
[19:24] <bootc> I use a TMP102 I2C sensor myself
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> so github compresses on the server before copying? That's a bit of a waste - why not compress as it's copies..
[19:24] <bootc> temp1: +25.6??C (high = +160.0??C, hyst = +150.0??C)
[19:24] <bootc> warm in North Devon today :-D
[19:25] <bootc> gordonDrogon: that's how git works
[19:25] <FrankBuss> ok, I'll try it, have done this before for the Atmel chip, so should be easy :-)
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> Pressure is: 1011.54, Temp: 25.4. Temp2: 24.4, RH: 46.51. GT: 22.5, Rain: 0.0000mm, Wind: 0.0 mph, DIR: 0, Light: 559
[19:25] <bootc> nice :-)
[19:26] <nanomad> bootc: any advantages in using the 3.2 branch?
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> although that's off an adruino :)
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> it's sending data to a Pi via a XRV/URF link.
[19:26] <bootc> nanomad: if you're happy with the 3.1.9 then don't bother
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> *XRF
[19:26] <lennard> crap, I apparently messed up the SD and am all out of SD-capable devices :P
[19:26] <bootc> but 3.1.9 does have some nasty security holes that I don't believe are patched :-D
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> got a following wind today: Receiving objects: 28% (121519/424040), 59.59 MiB | 826 KiB/s
[19:27] <bootc> (the 3.1 series is no longer maintained, 3.2 is a long-term maintenance branch)
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> either that or entanet are trying to persuade me not to leave...
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> actually I think thing have improved since talktalk unbundled our exchange and all the p2p weenies moved over to them...
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[19:33] <PhonicUK> hmm
[19:33] <PhonicUK> i wanna wire a reset button to the GPIO
[19:34] <piless_> a big red one
[19:34] <PhonicUK> and write a little kernel module that forces a reset when pressed
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[19:36] <FrozenCow> for people wanting to use omxplayer: http://elinux.org/Omxplayer
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[19:36] <bootc> PhonicUK: have you looked at the watchdog?
[19:36] <FrozenCow> i'll contact pepedog later to integrate udev-rules
[19:36] <bootc> I'd say most crashes would be pretty solid, so a kernel module won't be much help
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[19:38] <PhonicUK> its not so much crashes
[19:38] <FrankBuss> PhonicUK: you could solder a button to this position: http://i.imgur.com/eymqp.jpg I've tested it: with a 1 k resistor down to GND it resets the RPi. The schematic says it is the "run" pin, so maybe it is safe :-)
[19:38] <PhonicUK> its when i do silly things that render the system unusable but 'alive'
[19:39] <PhonicUK> lol
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> gah. can't the soggin configure just apt-get install the packages it needs )-:
[19:39] <PhonicUK> hmm, no gdm in raspbian?
[19:41] <FrankBuss> should be even save without 1k, just a button, because it has a 100 k pullup, but unfortunatly we can't be sure without a full datasheet
[19:41] <FrankBuss> *safe
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[19:42] <FrankBuss> gordonDrogon: sudo?
[19:42] <PhonicUK> wow, 240GB SSD for ?150 :|
[19:42] <piless_> PhonicUK: the cheap ssds are always super slow
[19:42] <PhonicUK> its not a slow one
[19:43] <PhonicUK> its a OCZ Agility
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[19:43] <PhonicUK> 525MB/s read, 500MB/s write
[19:43] <piless_> nice
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> FrankBuss, no sodding mistyped.
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> I got an OCZ recently.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> it's quite nippy.
[19:46] <chris_99> is there a trick to get alsa working
[19:46] <PhonicUK> how do i change my default WM on raspian?
[19:46] <chris_99> or does it work out of the box
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> Model Family: OCZ Agility SSD
[19:46] <PhonicUK> chris_99, you need to load a module
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> Only the 64GB model though.
[19:46] <chris_99> what's the module PhonicUK?
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> PhonicUK, delete the ones you don't use :)
[19:47] <PhonicUK> can someone remind me what the bcm module is?
[19:47] <PhonicUK> for audio
[19:47] <mjr> snd_bcm2835 apparently
[19:47] <PhonicUK> thats it
[19:47] <GabrialDestruir> google it :p
[19:47] <mjr> or wasit with - instead of _
[19:47] <PhonicUK> chris_99, modprobe it and add it as a line to /etc/modules
[19:47] <chris_99> merci!
[19:47] <GabrialDestruir> it's _
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> or search the history here - I asked for that earlier :)
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[19:48] <PhonicUK> anyone know the package name for lxde?
[19:49] <chris_99> uh oh: WARNING: Error inserting snd (/lib/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko): Invalid module format
[19:49] <PhonicUK> chris_99, what image are you using?
[19:49] <chris_99> debian
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> PhonicUK, it's just lxde
[19:49] <GabrialDestruir> did you try snd-bcm?
[19:49] <GabrialDestruir> Cause that's probably the issue
[19:50] <chris_99> modprobe snd_bcm
[19:50] <chris_99> FATAL: Module snd_bcm not found.
[19:50] <PhonicUK> its snd_bcm2845
[19:50] <chris_99> yeah thats what gave the issue
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> how much is ct-ng build actually downloading...
[19:50] <GabrialDestruir> sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[19:50] <PhonicUK> then i'd suggest grabbing a new iamge
[19:50] <PhonicUK> or that of
[19:51] <chris_99> thats exactly what i ran GabrialDestruir
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> [WARN ] Could not retrieve 'eglibc-2_15' )-:
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> No svn. Well it didn't tell me I needed that )-:
[19:54] <GabrialDestruir> Oh wow.... I think I'm finally getting USB3 speeds
[19:54] <ghallberg> GabrialDestruir: How?
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, not on the Pi then...
[19:54] <koaschten> probably stupid question... whats the root pw for the debian image? :X
[19:54] <GabrialDestruir> and it's tapering off again -.-
[19:54] <GabrialDestruir> blah
[19:54] <GabrialDestruir> No not on my pi
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> koaschten, there isn't one - use sudo -i
[19:54] <koaschten> haha, should have tried that before :X
[19:54] <GabrialDestruir> I bought a new USB3 External for my desktop
[19:55] <GabrialDestruir> and it has this habit of starting really fast....
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[19:55] <GabrialDestruir> then dropping down to USB2 speeds
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> you're probably hitting head bandwidth of the drive ...
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> whats hdparm -tT /dev/sdX give?
[19:57] <GabrialDestruir> Not on Linux
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> ? You mean there's something else?
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[19:59] <GabrialDestruir> Windows
[20:00] <Viperfang> The portal to the worst RPG evarrr!
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[20:02] <GabrialDestruir> Wow....
[20:02] <GabrialDestruir> Facebook is broken xD
[20:02] <chaoshax> Always has been.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> Stopped using facebook some months back...
[20:03] <neofutur> stop facebook, try friendica
[20:03] <GabrialDestruir> and apparently I broke chrome too -.-
[20:03] <neofutur> opens ource : https://github.com/friendica
[20:04] <Viperfang> friendface is where its at
[20:04] <neofutur> and easy to install your own pod
[20:04] <neofutur> friendica is what diaspora should have been
[20:05] <chaoshax> Interesting.
[20:05] <chaoshax> But it's too complicated for lay people.
[20:05] <chaoshax> I guess you host nodes between friends.
[20:06] <neofutur> each node can connect to other nodes, and even to your facebook, diaspora or twitter
[20:06] <chaoshax> My friends wouldn't see a reason to use it.
[20:06] <neofutur> if sonmeone want to try it you can use my node : http://f.gw.gd/
[20:06] <GabrialDestruir> Sounds a lot like that file sharing thing I did way back when .-.
[20:06] <neofutur> chaoshax: your friends will loose all their data with facebook :p
[20:06] <GabrialDestruir> I forget the name to it .-.
[20:07] <chaoshax> neofutur, They are simpletons. They don't understand the importance of privacy.
[20:07] <chaoshax> Or freedom for that matter.
[20:07] <chaoshax> So what protects the owner of the node accessing accounts?
[20:07] <neofutur> try to educate them ;)
[20:08] <PhonicUK> hmm, the raspbian wiki isn't editable :\
[20:08] <chaoshax> neofutur, Can you access the accounts of the people who use your node?
[20:09] <GabrialDestruir> I'll bbs I'm rebooting cause my desktop is busy being childish -.-
[20:09] <shaulkr> Has anyone tried one of these? http://www.dealextreme.com/p/wireless-bluetooth-rs232-ttl-transceiver-module-80711
[20:09] <neofutur> chaoshax: there are no feature to imperonate users
[20:09] <neofutur> mpasswords are hashed too
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[20:10] <PhonicUK> hmm, raspbian doesn't have the audio module :\
[20:10] <neofutur> afaik monly thing i could do would be to browse the database with phpmyadmin
[20:10] <chaoshax> neofutur, so what about photos?
[20:10] <chaoshax> Can you access them?
[20:10] <neofutur> no idea
[20:10] <Dagger2> chaoshax: I suspect it has the same protection that your email has against your provider reading it
[20:10] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, why you no include bcm audio module? :P
[20:11] <Dagger2> (namely none)
[20:11] <neofutur> but its easy to have your own node and trust yourself
[20:11] <Dagger2> but that's what's *good* about email: you can just set your own server up
[20:11] <Dagger2> or somebody you trust can do so
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[20:11] <GabrialDestruir> Hashing doesn't really protect the account, youu could always export the passwords and run them through one of those hash websites, or failiing that you've just made a password file you could Brute force against.
[20:12] <PhonicUK> although salting + hashing is pretty hard to get around
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> salt then too...
[20:12] <dwatkins> rainbow table
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> then you need N sets of rainbow tables where N is the salt size...
[20:12] <fALSO> hi
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> it delays the inevitable :)
[20:13] <GabrialDestruir> True, but that doesn't necessarily mean impossible.
[20:13] <Dagger2> if you run the server, you don't need to discover the password... just replace it with one you know
[20:13] <Dagger2> or you can usually record the password when the user first enters it
[20:13] <GabrialDestruir> There's that too
[20:13] <GabrialDestruir> Temporarily change password records and then change them back later.
[20:14] <chaoshax> This won't get popular apart from nerdy sects.
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[20:14] <PhonicUK> keyloggeres ftw
[20:14] <chaoshax> The barrier to entry is too high for people in this consumerist society.
[20:14] <chaoshax> They just want two clicks and it's working.
[20:14] <chaoshax> Finding nodes or setting your own up is too hard for most people.
[20:14] <Dagger2> chaoshax: and what stops google from setting up a server and having people use that?
[20:15] <Dagger2> c.f. gmail
[20:15] <chaoshax> Dagger2, Nothing that's what will have to change.
[20:15] <dwatkins> That's a bit like saying Linux will never become popular in 1995.
[20:15] <chaoshax> Major companies would have to get on the bandwagon for it to work.
[20:15] <dwatkins> Who knows what distros people will port to the RaspPi and what they will do with it?
[20:16] <chaoshax> It won't happen with friends hosting nodes between each other imo.
[20:16] <Dagger2> chaoshax: well, that's the advantage of federated protocols... anybody can set up a server
[20:16] <dwatkins> If people could buy a bindle with the Pi in a case and a ready-written SD Card, they don't even need to click to get it to work.
[20:16] <PhonicUK> i wanna port Android to the Pi
[20:16] <chaoshax> Dagger2, I mean, it could happen but it's unlikely because they already have access to social networks.
[20:16] <dwatkins> PhonicUK: I gather there isn't enough RAM, unfortunately
[20:16] <Dagger2> chaoshax: which means people can use Google's if they want, but if they're concerned about privacy they can sink the ??30 to buy a Raspberry Pi preloaded with the software
[20:16] <PhonicUK> dwatkins, my N900 has 256MB RAM and it runs Android 2.3 quite happily
[20:16] <Dagger2> or just set their own up themselves
[20:17] <dwatkins> PhonicUK: oh cool
[20:17] <chaoshax> Dagger2, Yeah, from my experience though people don't care.
[20:17] <PhonicUK> honeycomb/ics may be pushing it, but 2.3 should be attainable
[20:17] <chaoshax> I care but it doesn't mean that others do.
[20:17] <dwatkins> chaoshax: imagine if someone had said a couple hundred years ago that electricity wouldn't become popular... oh wait, they did
[20:18] <PhonicUK> they also said the internet would never be popular
[20:18] <PhonicUK> and the telephone
[20:18] <PhonicUK> or television
[20:18] <dwatkins> precisely
[20:18] <chaoshax> dwatkins, This is completely different, we are talking about closed social networks vs open source social networks.
[20:18] <dwatkins> who knows what might hapen, just saying it won't become popular is pointless, chaoshax
[20:18] <PhonicUK> they also said HD-DVD would be popular xD
[20:18] <dwatkins> how so, chaoshax?
[20:18] <Dagger2> chaoshax: which is why you really want a federated system, so you *can* set up your own server and still interact with everybody else
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> Android on the Pi? Wasn't there a heated debate on the forums about it? Or was that Windows, or both? I'm not sure I see the point, however ... good luck ...
[20:19] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: indeed :)
[20:19] <RITRedbeard> cuz linux can't use a GSM modem
[20:19] <RITRedbeard> oh wait
[20:19] <chaoshax> Dagger2, Yes but actually for it to be popular we need to convert those using closed source networks.
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> I use a GSM modem on my Linux boxes..
[20:19] <dwatkins> why, chaoshax? plenty of people use Linux right now
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> and a 3G modem.
[20:19] <chaoshax> dwatkins, Popular, as in >50%
[20:19] <RITRedbeard> I was being faecitious
[20:19] <dwatkins> chaoshax: so Macs aren't popular?
[20:20] <dwatkins> Anime isn't popular?
[20:20] <chaoshax> dwatkins, No.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> then again, I wrote a BASIC interpreter recently, and a lot of people can't see the point of that either :)
[20:20] <dwatkins> Having cats isn't popular?
[20:20] <chaoshax> Well cats might be.
[20:20] <chaoshax> Compared to other pets.
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[20:20] <dwatkins> Yeah, perhaps more than 50% of households have cats, but 50% isn't the definition of popular
[20:20] <dwatkins> if 100,000 people buy a product, I'd call that popular
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> ugh. just how long does ct-ng build take to build!
[20:21] <dwatkins> the fact there are more than a few people on this channel suggests it's popular, too
[20:21] <Dagger2> chaoshax: yes... I was just pointing out that your concern about "the owner of the node can access it" needs to *not* be a reason to avoid these federated networks, and it should rather be a reason to *want* to use them
[20:21] <chaoshax> dwatkins, matter of semantics really.
[20:22] <dwatkins> chaoshax: what kind of nodes are you referring to? There are many different possible uses for the Pi.
[20:22] <chaoshax> dwatkins, I am not talking about the pi, I was talking about social networks.
[20:22] <dwatkins> ah ok
[20:23] <dwatkins> are you saying they won't become popular?
[20:23] <chaoshax> I was saying that it's unlikely to in my opinion.
[20:23] <chaoshax> They would need a good reason to switch from facebook.
[20:23] <FrankBuss> gordonDrogon: this could run for some hours. http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation is much faster, if you just want to cross-compile a kernel, and not compile a compiler. but you might feel better when compiling a compiler :-)
[20:23] <chaoshax> Of course anyone who is in here knows why having an open standard social network is good.
[20:24] <dwatkins> I'm quite happy not having everyone on Google+, means I can have actual conversations on there
[20:24] <chaoshax> But try telling the public, they will just shrug their shoulders.
[20:24] <dwatkins> That's their choice, yeah.
[20:25] <chaoshax> I don't use facebook on the principle that pretty much anyone who knows a police officer can get hold of my data.
[20:25] <dwatkins> I prefer hanging out where there aren't huge numbers of people, like a forum I use, or certain IRC channels.
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[20:25] <dwatkins> I can't think of any data which I have on Facebook that the police couldn't find out about me anyway.
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[20:26] <chaoshax> Personal pictures can reveal a lot.
[20:26] <chaoshax> You don't realize at first.
[20:26] <dwatkins> The police might follow me and take pictures.
[20:27] <dwatkins> I don't imagine they would, but still.
[20:27] <chaoshax> Yeah but I was saying that you might not realize.
[20:28] <dwatkins> I'd best be careful when I walk around the flat, then.
[20:28] <GabrialDestruir> These days pictures are more revealing than someone might think.
[20:29] <chaoshax> Does facebook strip exif?
[20:29] <GabrialDestruir> I don't think so.
[20:29] <GabrialDestruir> So if you upload something with GPS info...
[20:29] <GabrialDestruir> well you probabaly just shouldn't.
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[20:30] <chaoshax> Yeah so when you upload any picture to facebook taking with most phones, it contains GPS data.
[20:30] <chaoshax> That's scary, facebook could have a db filled with that.
[20:30] <GabrialDestruir> Bah
[20:30] <GabrialDestruir> Facebook already does.
[20:30] <GabrialDestruir> It's more than just pictures too.
[20:31] <GabrialDestruir> They encourage people to "check-in" or post their locations for posts.
[20:31] <dwatkins> as does Twitter
[20:31] <dwatkins> unless you turn off location data
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[20:31] <mayski> question is, who's 1) concerned with that and uploading something 2) on facebook on the first place 3) giving a shit
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[20:32] <GabrialDestruir> There's plenty of people on facebook
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> FrankBuss, it's done. 31 minutes.
[20:32] <dwatkins> I can think of a few examples, actually, mayski - someone might have moved home because they were being persecuted, bullied, stalked etc.
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> FrankBuss, now to work out how to use it to compile the kernel...
[20:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: do I smell a cross-compile environment? :D
[20:33] <mayski> someone being persecuted ups stuff on fb saying hey yeah I'm being persecuted but look at me?
[20:33] <nid0> if you've had to move because you're being persecuted, a simple solution then is to not upload geotagged photos to public places
[20:33] <mayski> sounds like they're being an idito
[20:34] <dwatkins> mayski: they just need to know their photos might be tagged - i.e. to turn off the option
[20:34] <FrankBuss> gordonDrogon: nice, I've done GCC compiliation once in Cygwin and it needed a day, because of the Cygwin overhead, really fast now on modern native Linux systems
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[20:35] <nid0> gordonDrogon: fwiw compiling the kernel on-device is perfectly do-able
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> yes, I've installed a cross-compile envirnment.
[20:35] <Really_Likes_Nut> hey guys, bit of a noob question. should the Pi automatically mount USB drives and such? or do i need to do that manually?
[20:35] <chaoshax> I think manually.
[20:36] <chaoshax> Though you can edit fstab to do automatically.
[20:36] <FrankBuss> nid0, how long does it need on the device? in my Virtual Box Ubuntu installation it needs about 15 minutes after a "clean"
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> and successfully compiled hello world and tested it on both debian & raspbian.
[20:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> Is there an easy-mode cross-compile toolchain for lazy people like me?
[20:36] <Really_Likes_Nut> yeah i didnt really want to have to edit fstab, most of my experience is with Ubuntu which seems to do it for me
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> which is odd as I'd not really expect it to work on both due to the calling API differences
[20:36] <nid0> FrankBuss: yeah obv it takes a lot longer, i've seen ~6 hours quoted but mine finished in somewhere less than 5 this morning (wasnt timing, started it, came back ~5 hours later and it was done)
[20:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> The one for the Pandora, for example, I just had to extract into a fresh Debian virtual machine
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[20:37] <chaoshax> Can I just ask, why is it not possible to compile java for x86 over to arm?
[20:37] <FrankBuss> Gadgetoid_Air: this is nearly as easy, a step-for-step howto: http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
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[20:38] <neofutur> chaoshax: the barrier to entry is very high for diaspora, not for friendica
[20:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> Cheers FrankBuss, I might spool up a fresh Debian VM and try it out
[20:39] <Really_Likes_Nut> is it not advisable to enable the swap partition? i see it in fstab but i guess it would increase wear on the SD card considerably?
[20:39] <chaoshax> neofutur, Well for most people setting up a website is extremely complex :p.
[20:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> I should really write an article on getting an IR remote working in Ruby first :D
[20:40] <chaoshax> neofutur, It's hard to remember that people like you and me are used to it.
[20:40] <piless_> Gadgetoid_Air: what do you use for your pi webserver?
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[20:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless_: Thin, which is a Ruby amalgamation of a bunch of ruby server technologies as far as I'm aware
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[20:41] <piless_> this one? http://code.macournoyer.com/thin/
[20:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> Takes a while to spool up and down, but once it's up and running it seems to be fast, stable and easy on resources
[20:41] <neofutur> chaoshax: setting up friendica on your hosting is really 3 clicks ;)
[20:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> That would be the one, piless_
[20:41] <piless_> cool
[20:42] <neofutur> ( with a good hostind )
[20:42] <Hattara-pilvi> Anyone booted the current Arch image in qemu? WOuld like to update and set up it before actually hooking into RPi when post man comes knocking at the door
[20:42] <neofutur> hosting
[20:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> I use Rack on its own for testing, as it's much quicker to spool up a website on a random port to see if things work
[20:42] <chaoshax> neofutur, Still complicated to most people.
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> now why am I not getting menuconfig )-:
[20:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I had weirdness regarding a missing ncurses if I did "make menuconfig" without sudo
[20:44] <nid0> gordonDrogon: got ncurses-devel installed?
[20:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Linux is the game "Simon Says" implemented in an operating system
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> I've successfully compiled an x86 kernel on this PC.
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> so I could have curses, etc.
[20:45] <FrankBuss> gordonDrogon: nice summer weather here :-) http://pastebin.com/mW7e63UW
[20:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> Are you building an ARM menuconfig?
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> er, should.
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> yes
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[20:46] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently as of yesterday the Legos for my Lego case are in the US
[20:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> Using qemu to run it? otherwise??? err??? wouldn't the menuconfig not run on an x86 build env if it's compiled for arm
[20:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> ( I have no idea what I'm talking about, but sometimes that helps )
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> Ok. Sod it. I was doing this for fun, then someone goes ahead and just does it. No damn point me having fun now.
[20:46] <craig1> Wow, Raspberry Pi is a flop
[20:46] * gordonDrogon sulks.
[20:46] <craig1> tried 3 sd cards and 3 distros...all fail
[20:47] <chaoshax> Maybe your doing something wrong?
[20:47] <nid0> i've tried 3 sd cards and 2 distros with 100% success, maybe its just you?
[20:47] <chaoshax> What are the errors?
[20:47] <piless_> craig1: pebkac
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[20:47] <craig1> piless_: nope
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[20:47] <craig1> it's a known problem....
[20:47] <chaoshax> With what?
[20:47] <craig1> many SD cards don't work
[20:48] <nid0> "many" = *some* big class10 cards
[20:48] <chaoshax> Yes most class 6< work fine
[20:48] <craig1> I've tried 2 class 10 and 1 class 6
[20:48] <chaoshax> Try the class 6 again?
[20:48] <chaoshax> And tell us the error?
[20:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> Just buy a compatible one, it's not like they cost more than a tenner
[20:48] <piless_> the error is pebkac
[20:48] <craig1> piless_: No it isn't...
[20:49] <piless_> yeah it is
[20:49] <chaoshax> Just tell us the error.
[20:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> craig1: It is. The early Pi release wasn't intended for people who can't even source a working SD card :D
[20:49] <chaoshax> It could be the way you have formatted/ burned the image
[20:49] <piless_> you're not supposed to be burning your sd cards
[20:49] <craig1> Gotta love it when people jump to conclusions about pebkac
[20:49] <craig1> I could be Einstein and some wiseass would still say it
[20:49] <GabrialDestruir> From my unerstanding the early Pi release wasn't meant for anyone but developers the way some people act in here.
[20:50] <chaoshax> Does that mean I am a developer?
[20:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> Einstein would probably have some difficulty working a computer...
[20:50] <chaoshax> Woop
[20:50] <nid0> yeah, thats almost as inane as deciding that a whole project is crap (aka "wow raspberry pi is a flop") based on your own personal experience when countless others disagree
[20:50] <nid0> who'd be that dumb huh
[20:50] <piless_> pebkac
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[20:51] <craig1> nid0: ok, no flop, but it's their problem that a lot of SD cards dont work not mine
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[20:51] <nid0> well, its your problem if you know there're compatibility issues with class 10 cards then cant get it to work using class 10 cards
[20:51] <piless_> craig1: what were you planning to do with your raspberry pi?
[20:52] <craig1> nid0: I knew that *some* didn't work, but I didn't expect all 3 of the ones I had lying around would fail
[20:52] <craig1> nor can I know if a new one would work until I buy it and try
[20:52] <PhonicUK> hmm, what do i need to add to my new user to make it start xfce4 when logged into X?
[20:52] <craig1> so....annoying problem
[20:52] <PhonicUK> root does it, but my new user doesn't
[20:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> craig1: there's a wiki with a list of possibly working SD cards
[20:53] <chaoshax> craig1, you only had one sd card, consider the class 10s unlikely to work.
[20:53] <nid0> and as already mentioned, the incompatibility rate with <=class 6 cards is practically zero, so its fair to assume pebkac unless you actually spell out what error you're getting in more detail than "it doesnt work"
[20:53] <nid0> for the one card you tried that actually should work.
[20:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> I bought a couple using the wiki as a reference, and one of them works brilliantly, the other I haven't even tried
[20:53] <chaoshax> What is the error, please tell us?
[20:53] <PhonicUK> I know of at least one person who just copied the .tar.gz file onto their SD card and wondered why it didn't work
[20:54] <chaoshax> HA ha :P
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[20:54] <craig1> nope..I've formatted it to MBR, paritioned it with FAT32, marked it bottable, dd'd the image over
[20:54] <piless_> they should have included some basic tech questions on the order form
[20:54] <craig1> so stfu about pedkac please
[20:54] <nid0> great, so whats the error
[20:54] <nid0> for about the 20th time
[20:54] <craig1> nid0: just booting to see
[20:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> craig1: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_SD_Cards
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[20:55] <PhonicUK> craig1, you don't need to do any of the partitioning yourself :\
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[20:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> Also, if your SD card is in the list of working ones it would be good to know
[20:55] <chaoshax> craig1, Use imagewriter
[20:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> craig1: Did you dd the image to /dev/yourdisk0 or /dev/yourdisk0p1 ?
[20:56] <craig1> chaoshax: mmc0: problem reading SD status register
[20:56] <craig1> this is with the class6
[20:56] <PhonicUK> craig1, turn it off and on a few times
[20:56] <PhonicUK> literally
[20:56] <craig1> and the error with the class10 was unable to mount rootfs
[20:56] <chaoshax> Leave it for 5 minutes
[20:57] <chaoshax> Does it have the error -100?
[20:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> My Pi barfs that error out quite frequently and still boots, my original SD spammed it constantly
[20:57] <Half-Shot> Never had any trouble with class 10.
[20:57] <craig1> chaoshax: yeah I think it -110
[20:57] <chaoshax> Leave it for five minutes
[20:57] <piless_> better make it six
[20:57] <craig1> chaoshax: it boots?
[20:58] <chaoshax> Mine did.
[20:58] <craig1> hmm
[20:58] <Half-Shot> How big is your card?
[20:58] <piless_> 512mb
[20:58] <craig1> Half-Shot: 2GB
[20:58] <piless_> 2gb isn't big enough
[20:58] <craig1> same size as the image
[20:59] <Half-Shot> 2GB is a bit tight
[20:59] <piless_> 2gb isn't actually 2gb
[20:59] <Half-Shot> one its formatted
[20:59] <craig1> 2GB is the deafult image size
[20:59] <piless_> it would be more like 1.6
[20:59] <Half-Shot> once*
[20:59] <chaoshax> I am using 2gb.
[20:59] <Half-Shot> anyway, where are you going to store quake 3 ;)
[20:59] <chaoshax> Well bleh like 1.8
[20:59] <craig1> obviously if they made the default image 2GB...then 2GB is supported
[20:59] <chaoshax> On a memory stick
[20:59] <GabrialDestruir> Network share
[20:59] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[20:59] <piless_> that's not how it works
[20:59] <chaoshax> ^ Or that.
[20:59] <craig1> piless_: yes it is
[21:00] <craig1> that's exactly how it works
[21:00] <craig1> piless_: stop trolling me please
[21:00] <chaoshax> I haven't tried running quake over sshfs lol
[21:00] <piless_> ???
[21:00] <chaoshax> It might be interesting.
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[21:00] <chaoshax> And then vncing it :P
[21:00] <Half-Shot> 2GB is minimum
[21:00] <craig1> piless_: you repeated pebkac like a playground insult about 10 times
[21:00] <craig1> piless_: and now you're trying your best to wind me up
[21:01] <craig1> 2GB is fine
[21:01] <nid0> chaoshax: probably work fine, i've got my pi setup with iscsi now and read & write performance to the iscsi volume is faster than the sd card even over wireless
[21:01] <piless_> You're such an idiot, just because the image is 2GB doesn't mean it's going to fit on a 1.84gb card
[21:01] <PhonRaspPi> we are now coming to you live from Raspbian!
[21:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> 2GB is fine if you never want to install anything
[21:01] <PhonRaspPi> only problem is that audio doesn't work right in raspbian
[21:01] <craig1> piless_: it's a 2gb card
[21:01] <chaoshax> Gadgetoid_Air, Umm I have apache, mysql all on mine :D
[21:02] <craig1> piless_: the physical card size is 2GB..that's why they're refering to when they say "2GB is supported...the overhead doesn't matter
[21:02] <Half-Shot> 2GB is ok, but expansion room is tight. You could do networking and hard drives but remember that its best to have it on the boot card
[21:02] <chaoshax> Fits quite well but I am probably really close to the edge.
[21:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> chaoshax: *shudder*??? not mysql :D
[21:02] <chaoshax> I removed it, it was fine for a while.
[21:02] <nid0> my pi's running lamp fine
[21:02] <Half-Shot> Actaully, did anyone get sound with their quake 3?
[21:03] <craig1> piless_: I think you're ego trippin'....just keep your ego to yourself ok?
[21:03] <PhonRaspPi> Half-Shot, I don't on my debian image
[21:03] <piless_> lol
[21:03] <PhonRaspPi> and i have otherwise working sound under debian
[21:03] <chaoshax> Gadgetoid, But I did struggle with owncloud.
[21:03] <Half-Shot> I have debian, hmm
[21:03] <PhonRaspPi> or did i...
[21:03] <chaoshax> Maybe nginx might be better
[21:03] <PhonRaspPi> i forget if i had sound
[21:03] <chaoshax> It was slooow.
[21:03] <PhonRaspPi> no i dont think i did
[21:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm avoiding mysql on the Pi, just don't think I can spare the RAM to get any decent performance out of it
[21:03] <Half-Shot> la hexxeh used chromium
[21:03] <chaoshax> Yeah I took it off.
[21:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm exploring couchdb and redis, weird and wonderful new concepts
[21:04] <PhonRaspPi> ive used chromium, it works okay until you run out of RAM xD
[21:04] <nid0> pi's lack of RTC does screw with mysql a bit, i've just noticed
[21:04] <nid0> Uptime: 15486 days 19 hours 2 min 5 sec
[21:04] <craig1> chaoshax: hmm it booted...
[21:04] <Half-Shot> Raspberry pi is leaps and bounds better at managing my memory ( 256mb seems to last longer than 8GB)
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[21:05] <craig1> after about 5 minutes of error -110
[21:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> nid0: All the days!
[21:05] <Half-Shot> My first pi came at the start of may and it was broken before it arrived. Had to wait another 20 days to get another
[21:06] <PhonRaspPi> tjat really sucks
[21:06] <Half-Shot> RS is going to get it back and repaired as soon as they finish up orders.
[21:07] <craig1> so the class6 works....it just repeats errors for a while before it boots
[21:07] <chaoshax> Yes.
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[21:07] <chaoshax> A lot of cards are like that.
[21:07] <craig1> so the card is fine I guess
[21:07] <piless_> pebkac
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[21:08] <craig1> piless_: yup, you were right all along
[21:08] <chaoshax> Maybe firmware fixes that.
[21:09] <Half-Shot> Imaged my card by : 1. ImageWriter on ubuntu with debain 2. Added latest firmware on top of that from github 3. Booted it as normal with ALL devices 4. ???? 5. Profit
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[21:09] <craig1> chaoshax: you mean the bootloader firmware?
[21:09] <craig1> or just the distro?
[21:09] <chaoshax> Bootloader firmware
[21:09] <Half-Shot> bootloader
[21:09] <PhonRaspPi> its easy to update
[21:09] <craig1> there's an update already?
[21:09] <PhonRaspPi> fixes a lot of SD issues
[21:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> The SD card thing is a hot topic, anyway, they've even put out a call for non-working SD cards for investigation
[21:10] <PhonRaspPi> so far ive tried PNY and Integral cards
[21:10] <Half-Shot> Used these files : https://nodeload.github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/
[21:10] <PhonRaspPi> 1x 16GB SDHC integral, and 4x 8GB PNY cards
[21:10] <PhonRaspPi> all class 6
[21:10] <nid0> i've got sandisk and samsung cards all class 6 and all work perfectly
[21:10] <fragalot> f*ck yeah
[21:11] <fragalot> 3D printer works, printing a pony.
[21:11] <fragalot> xD
[21:11] <piless_> nid0: standard sandisk?
[21:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Those samsung cards are purdy
[21:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> fragalot: BROHOOF!!!
[21:11] <nid0> piless_: the samsung is a 16gb essential
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[21:11] <fragalot> Gadgetoid_Air: it's not for me. I don't care for ponies
[21:11] <nid0> the pretty shiny silver ones
[21:11] <PhonRaspPi> i met a fellow raspberry pi user out in the wild today
[21:11] <PhonRaspPi> i was quite impressed
[21:11] <fragalot> Gadgetoid_Air: just printing it to win a bet
[21:11] <chaoshax> fragalot, jealous.
[21:11] <fragalot> :3
[21:12] <chaoshax> I want to print loads of stuff.
[21:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> fragalot: brohoof anyway :D print you the pony for the awesome power
[21:12] <fragalot> took me 4 days to get this thing working
[21:12] <chaoshax> I actually have about 5 things I need to print right now.
[21:12] <PhonRaspPi> I want a makerbot
[21:12] <fragalot> (including assembly)
[21:12] <fragalot> chaoshax: :P
[21:12] <chaoshax> Yes but that's fun.
[21:13] <craig1> a
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[21:14] <chaoshax> Why don't we have tabbing on aptitude?
[21:17] <GabrialDestruir> Time to start piecing together my own Ruby website for Pi
[21:18] <PhonRaspPi> i wonder how much pain is involved compiling Mono for the pi
[21:18] <PhonRaspPi> ls
[21:18] <PhonRaspPi> erp
[21:18] <craig1> less than the pain of actually using Mono
[21:19] <chaoshax> I can't even remember what mono does.
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[21:19] <PhonRaspPi> mono is an implementation of the .net CLR and libraries
[21:19] <PhonRaspPi> mostly the parts that are ECMA standards, but a few other bits too
[21:19] <chaoshax> k
[21:19] <craig1> Miguel de Icaza tried to use it to destroy GNOME :P
[21:20] <chaoshax> You know I was saying 2gb was fine...
[21:20] <chaoshax> http://i.imgur.com/rHpev.png
[21:21] <PhonRaspPi> i think the aversion to Mono is pretty silly
[21:21] <PhonRaspPi> its certainly no worse than Java
[21:21] <craig1> but that's not saying much ...
[21:22] <GabrialDestruir> 2GB is fine....
[21:22] <GabrialDestruir> as long as you have no desire to install anything at all
[21:22] <craig1> yeah it was just that little turd piless_ who said it wasn't
[21:22] <craig1> he has no idea what he's talking about
[21:23] <chaoshax> GabrialDestruir, :D
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[21:25] <GabrialDestruir> Okay Britten has gone off the deep end in Awake
[21:25] <PhonRaspPi> swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3
[21:25] <PhonRaspPi> ...ffs
[21:26] <GabrialDestruir> Eww swap.... why? >.>
[21:26] <PhonRaspPi> i'm compiling quake 3
[21:26] <GabrialDestruir> Cross compile....
[21:26] <PhonRaspPi> nah :P
[21:26] <GabrialDestruir> it'll be faster
[21:26] <PhonRaspPi> i know
[21:26] <PhonRaspPi> i wanna see how it goes
[21:27] <PhonRaspPi> that said so far i'm only at 104MB
[21:27] <PhonRaspPi> and thats with it compiling, and xfce4 + xchat
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[21:29] <PhonRaspPi> anyone know how to get audio working on raspbian? the bcm module isn't shipped wih it
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[21:33] <PhonRaspPi> this is handy
[21:33] <PhonRaspPi> giving htop a nice of -10 before doing something very CPU intensive
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[21:38] <piless_> mkopack: http://phys.org/news/2012-05-spacex-capsule-car-astronauts.html
[21:39] <GabrialDestruir> Oh that sucks Awake was canceled .-.
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[21:41] <GabrialDestruir> Why is it tv shows these days are always getting canceled?
[21:42] <chaoshax> Haven't watched tv for months
[21:42] <mowcius> these days? - it always seems to be happening - but then again there are new shows pretty often so it normally works out ok :p
[21:42] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: Usually they are put in the wrong timeslot, and then of course they get low viewership
[21:42] <GabrialDestruir> Well that explains why they're getting canceled :p
[21:42] * mowcius also doesn't watch much tv
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[21:42] <GabrialDestruir> I think it's an issue of streaming
[21:43] <chaoshax> Though there is some really good TV like Horizon and most of the UK documentaries are great.
[21:43] <chaoshax> But nothing has been on for ages
[21:43] <piless_> chaoshax: have you seen wild china?
[21:43] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir: Because the TV Execs LOVE "reality" TV because it's relatively cheap to produce and frickin idiot women LOVE them??? anything that takes a little brainpower to appreciate costs more to make and attracts a smaller audience so they can't make as much money on it
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[21:43] <GabrialDestruir> I think streaming is gonna kill any good tv shows.
[21:43] <chaoshax> piless_, I don't like nature.
[21:44] <GabrialDestruir> They're not taking in account online views for places like Hulu or Netflix
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[21:44] <chaoshax> I prefer the science ones and Louis Theroux is great.
[21:44] <piless_> the latest louis theroux was a bit of a miss
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[21:44] <chaoshax> Which one?
[21:44] <chaoshax> Can't remember
[21:45] <piless_> extreme love
[21:45] <piless_> autism and dementia
[21:45] <chaoshax> Oh that was interesting but depressing.
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[21:45] <chaoshax> Though it's great what the state was doing.
[21:46] * b1ackcr0w from pi with irssi :)
[21:46] <chaoshax> My favourite was probably scientology or WBC
[21:46] * mkopack would LOVE to know WTF he did to screw up his ray tracer code??? Grrr.
[21:46] <piless_> my favourite were the law and disorder ones
[21:47] <chaoshax> I love Louis he always says what he says.
[21:47] <chaoshax> I remember the nazi one, now that was funny.
[21:47] <PhonicUK> i saw something cute earlier
[21:47] <PhonicUK> the game content from Half Life running in a modified quake engine
[21:48] <mkopack> lol
[21:48] <mkopack> Lambda Pi?
[21:48] <mkopack> or Raspberry Lambda
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[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> I should give up on TV just start reading.... books are unlikely to get "canceled"
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> Unless someone force quits the author.
[21:50] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: or they die
[21:50] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir: I feel your pain. I'm SOO tired of every show I get invested in getting cancelled??? Especially when they cancel it at the end of a season and leave a cliffhanger ending??? Couldn't they just make 1 more damn episode to close out the story???
[21:51] <piless_> sci fi channel is the most guitly
[21:51] <GabrialDestruir> I'd say NBC is more guilty then sci fi
[21:51] <mkopack> Oh, I've pretty much written off Sci Fi altogether
[21:51] <GabrialDestruir> They cancel just about everything after one season
[21:51] <mkopack> NBC owns Sci Fi
[21:52] <GabrialDestruir> See? Then blame the parent company :p
[21:52] <GabrialDestruir> It is after all their fault.
[21:52] <piless_> all the good shows come from amc or hbo
[21:52] <mkopack> The big problem here is that there's too many channels so the content is diluted.
[21:52] <mkopack> They need random crap to fill all the programming slots
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[21:53] <GabrialDestruir> Good stuff is getting canceled because too many "new" shows are going up against time tested shows
[21:53] <GabrialDestruir> So in the end the "new" shows get bumped.
[21:53] <mkopack> and the big 4 Networks need to make so much off advertising to afford their shows, that if they aren't immediate hits, they have to axe them quick to stop losing money
[21:54] <mkopack> yeah, I don't get why the hell they put some untested new show up against a powerhouse. Find another slot to put the new show in so it has a chance to build some viewership and THEN once it's successful move it against the powerhouse
[21:54] <GabrialDestruir> The problem is they're not taking into consideration I think, things like online streaming, DVR views, etc
[21:54] <mkopack> yeah, well, they don't because people watching that way skip commercials so they can't get advertising revenue from them
[21:55] <GabrialDestruir> When people are limited to one or two (dvr recordings) channels, then when they can't watch that third show they're going to resort to places like hulu
[21:55] <GabrialDestruir> or netflix
[21:55] <mkopack> the whole TV model is becoming broken, the same way the music and movie industry have been - their way of making money doesn't work in the modern world
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[21:55] <piless_> it takes the piss, game of thrones is the most pirated tv show of 2012, do you know why? Because you can't get it legitately anywhere, you need a cable subscription to watch it online, there's no dvd release, nothing
[21:56] <GabrialDestruir> There's DVD releases...
[21:56] <GabrialDestruir> but only after it's been aired.
[21:56] <mkopack> yeah, and the fact that it airs on different days in different countries doesn't help either
[21:57] <piless_> the first season dvd took a year after it first aired.
[21:57] <chattel> does the pi support 3.3V gpio ports?
[21:57] <piless_> A YEAR!
[21:57] <GabrialDestruir> I don't think it's becoming fully broken, it's more like... there's the advancement in technology, but the CEO's are all those old guys who are like "COMPUTERS WE DONT NEED COMPUTERS WHY BACK IN MY DAY....."
[21:57] <mkopack> Or in the case of Battlestar Galactica, you Europeans would often get it before we would here, and our episodes would be edited down more so they could fit in another commercial..
[21:57] <GabrialDestruir> They still do that
[21:57] <piless_> mkopack: as a european I am fine with that
[21:57] <mkopack> chattel: YEs, the GPIO are 3.3V
[21:58] <GabrialDestruir> Like with Doctor Who
[21:58] <mkopack> Just air it everywhere at the same time, and don't edit it differently and people will be less incentivized to pirate it
[21:58] <GabrialDestruir> They trim three or four minutes out for america so we get more commercials
[21:58] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: To be fair, our hour timeslots on bbc are something like 57 minutes and not 40.
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[21:59] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir: Yeah, there were times in BSG I was like "WTF? Did we miss a scene or something?" because they'd pull some important scene out to the plot
[21:59] <GabrialDestruir> Actually pretty sure it's closer to 45-50 because usually when I grab rips from BBC they're about that long.
[21:59] <piless_> mkopack: like when they released one of the david attenborough documentaries over there, they changed his voice over to oprah
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[22:00] <piless_> bbc doesn't have ads
[22:00] <craig1> piless_: no BBC just has an agenda
[22:01] <Meatballs> which they try and push through doctor who?
[22:01] <chris_99> haha
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir> Running time for the average Doctor Who Episode is 45 minutes
[22:01] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: I've got an episode of wild china sitting in front of me and it's 59 minutes long
[22:01] <des2> They're pro dalek.
[22:01] <chris_99> whats their agenda piless_
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir> which means 15 minutes per hour of some sort of advertising if they keep to hourly blocks
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[22:01] <chris_99> er craig1
[22:01] <chris_99> sorry
[22:01] <craig1> chris_99: lying to the public
[22:01] <chris_99> how?
[22:02] <craig1> BBC News in particular
[22:02] <chris_99> in what respect
[22:02] <craig1> just selective journalism
[22:02] <chris_99> they're more unbiased than some American news shows
[22:02] <piless_> cititation please
[22:02] <des2> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/programmes/schedules
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[22:02] <piless_> des2: bbc3 is crap though
[22:03] <craig1> like the summer riots......
[22:03] <des2> That's to show Gabriel what they're filling the time with.
[22:03] <Meatballs> bbc3 has Being Human
[22:03] <craig1> There was one scene they showed of riot cops beating 3 young kids with batons
[22:03] <piless_> top gear is a full hour isn't it?
[22:03] <craig1> they hadnt provoked them at all
[22:03] <Meatballs> family guy and that one with elijah wood and the dog :>
[22:03] <craig1> they were just riding the bicycles down the street
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[22:04] <craig1> and then the idiot reporter started desperately trying to "put it in perspective"
[22:04] <craig1> the BBC's propoganda perspective obviously
[22:04] <craig1> all so-called "News" orgs have an agenda
[22:04] <chris_99> i don't buy that
[22:04] <chris_99> sure you may get the odd instance
[22:04] <craig1> sure...BBC are totally inpartial
[22:05] <craig1> just like ABC and FOX in the US
[22:05] <chris_99> but i cant see them all being systematically biased
[22:05] <craig1> their warmongering is completely harmless
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[22:05] <chris_99> what would be the point?
[22:05] <craig1> politics requires public support...public support requires telling people what to think
[22:05] <craig1> simple
[22:05] <Meatballs> wheres the vids of the kids getting battered?
[22:05] <craig1> watch Russia Today and see their coverage of western issues
[22:06] <craig1> and how completely different the tone is
[22:06] <craig1> then tell me the US and UK news channels are impartial
[22:06] <chris_99> so Russian news is impartial now
[22:06] <craig1> nooo
[22:06] <craig1> I didnt say that
[22:06] <craig1> I meant...compare them
[22:06] <craig1> the fact they are so different means someone has to be bullshitting
[22:06] <craig1> or both
[22:07] <craig1> obviously both..since Russian news has an agenda too
[22:07] <craig1> everyone does
[22:07] <GabrialDestruir> Oh hey that's confusing.....
[22:07] <GabrialDestruir> How do two 45 minute shows add up to 1 hour? .-.
[22:07] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[22:07] <netman87> ps3 ohjain + bluetooth + windows 7 64bit = ?
[22:08] <Meatballs> wasn't the Libya news releases on London riots a different perspective?
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[22:08] <piless_> GabrialDestruir: 4 make 3 hours
[22:08] <craig1> Meatballs: yeah it was
[22:08] <Meatballs> summat like the whole UK rising up against the government :)
[22:08] <craig1> If you want a really blatently transparent example of news with an agenda watch Bill O'Reilly
[22:09] <craig1> in the US they don't even try to hide it
[22:09] <GabrialDestruir> All news has an agenda
[22:09] <craig1> exactly
[22:09] <DaQatz> Lol O'Reilly is an idiot.
[22:09] <craig1> I'm dumbfounded that someome would doubt that
[22:09] <GabrialDestruir> The very fact of reporting the news to the masses means there's an agenda there.
[22:09] <craig1> yup
[22:09] <DaQatz> Both conservatives and liberals laugh at him.
[22:10] <craig1> but chris_99 said he doubts it..hence my rant
[22:10] <craig1> DaQatz: yeah he's a fool...but plently of idiots follow his every word
[22:10] <craig1> otherwise he wouldn't ave a job
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[22:10] <GabrialDestruir> Plenty of idiots followed Bush's word too
[22:10] <GabrialDestruir> Look where that got us.
[22:11] <craig1> that's the point..politicians are puppets
[22:12] <craig1> just a public face
[22:12] <chnopsx> for some reason my IRC client decided to label ##politics as #raspberrypi, how odd
[22:12] <chris_99> hehe
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[22:12] <craig1> chnopsx: haha someone start me off
[22:12] <craig1> started*
[22:12] <craig1> I'll be quiet now
[22:13] <PhonicUK> helloooo
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[22:13] <PhonicUK> there is infact an open source implementation of goldsrc!
[22:14] <chaoshax> Jesus cloning linux takes a looong time
[22:14] <FrankBuss> writing the forum post for the 1-wire kernel test needed more time than patching the kernel :-) http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=6649
[22:15] <mjr> chaoshax, have somebody else do it then. The dude probably doesn't grok computers.
[22:15] <mjr> he's more a fish and bread cloning kind of guy, I hear
[22:15] <chaoshax> umm...
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[22:33] <PhonicUK> bleh i hate the forums
[22:33] <PhonicUK> can't edit posts!
[22:34] <shaulkr> I connected the Pi's UART to a USB-serial adapter, and I'm getting gibberish on it
[22:34] <shaulkr> Is anyone familar with this?
[22:34] <craig1> I'm fluent in gibberish
[22:35] <mjr> gibberish is often a symtom of the different endpoints disagreeing on the serial link speed
[22:35] <GabrialDestruir> It seems for some asinine reason that my USB3 HDD can't sustain USB3 speeds .-.
[22:36] <shaulkr> Both are set to 115200 8N1
[22:40] <shaulkr> The Pi's UART is regular RS-232, right?
[22:42] <ReggieUK> ?
[22:42] <ReggieUK> pi's uart is ttl isn't it?
[22:43] <ReggieUK> so not rs232
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[22:47] <btothertotheatot> I've got a question about the lights on the Raspberry Pi
[22:47] <PhonicUK> whats the wget option to resume a download?
[22:47] <mjr> -c
[22:47] <btothertotheatot> PWR is lit bright red
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[22:47] <btothertotheatot> the OK light is just a speck, I don't think it's properly lit
[22:47] <btothertotheatot> it would be super bright if everything was truly OK, right?
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[22:48] <btothertotheatot> will the OK light be lit even without an SD card present?
[22:48] <PhonicUK> ty
[22:48] <PhonicUK> btothertotheatot, the OK light wont turn on without an SD card
[22:48] <btothertotheatot> okay, so maybe my SD card is bad
[22:48] <PhonicUK> if you just power the device up with nothing, just the red power LED shows
[22:49] <btothertotheatot> is that the most likely possibility?
[22:49] <btothertotheatot> Lexar 16GB Class 4
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[22:49] <PhonicUK> try another card with an image on it, see what happens :)
[22:50] <btothertotheatot> before I steal one of my wife's card from her camera and wipe it...
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[22:50] <btothertotheatot> will the OK light up if it's a good card but bad image?
[22:51] <Eggbloke> hey does anyone know if the Pi has hardware temperature sensors? mine feels kinda warm
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[22:51] <btothertotheatot> I'm just wondering if maybe I imaged the card wrong
[22:51] <PhonicUK> Eggbloke, I don't think it does
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[22:54] <craig1> PhonicUK: you can also use "continue = on" in ~/.wgetrc to always resume wget downloads
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[22:54] <PhonicUK> righto
[22:54] <PhonicUK> hmm, quake 3 does not play nice with raspbian
[22:54] <PhonicUK> eglCreateWindowSurface() failed
[22:55] <craig1> have you got the egl installed?
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[22:55] <PhonicUK> eh? is there something else that needs installing?
[22:57] <PhonicUK> im supprised it doesnt ship with the gles libs
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[22:57] <craig1> not sure...just a thought
[22:57] <craig1> egl is part of Mesa
[22:57] <craig1> to interface with OpenGL
[22:58] <craig1> or GLES
[22:58] <craig1> I doesn't come with Arch...but not sure about other distros
[22:58] <craig1> It*
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[23:00] <craig1> PhonicUK: have you compiled it yourself?
[23:00] <PhonicUK> yes
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[23:00] <craig1> because you'll need quite a few libs it seems
[23:00] <craig1> SDL libGL libspeex zlib etc..
[23:00] <PhonicUK> ah
[23:01] <mowcius> rootfs 1.6G 1.5G 0 100% / darnit
[23:01] <PhonicUK> i just grabbed the ones from
[23:01] <PhonicUK> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianQuake3
[23:01] <mowcius> Why can't my 32GB card work? :/
[23:01] <PhonicUK> mowcius, you need to resize the partition after putting the image on the card
[23:02] <mowcius> oh - this is a 2GB card - I've just filled it up
[23:02] <mowcius> my 32GB card *doesn't work*
[23:02] <PhonicUK> loooool
[23:02] <PhonicUK> define doesnt work
[23:02] <craig1> mowcius: I have 2 cards that don't work
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[23:02] <craig1> apparently many other people do too
[23:02] <mowcius> annoying isn't it....
[23:02] <PhonicUK> im glad these PNY cards work
[23:02] <PhonicUK> i bought 4 of them today
[23:02] <craig1> the standard fix is keep buying new ones until one works
[23:02] <craig1> haha
[23:03] <PhonicUK> 2x 8GB cards for ?10
[23:03] <ReggieUK> hi mowcius
[23:03] <mowcius> ahh well my camera was missing it's memory card anyway :p
[23:03] <PhonicUK> so i bought 2 packs
[23:03] <mowcius> my 32GB card was ??45 - Sandisk Class 10
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[23:03] <chris_99> i bought a 32GB card for ?25 class 10
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[23:04] <craig1> it's kind of annoying when a card works in about 4 other devices....but people act like it's fine when it doesn't work in an RPi
[23:04] <mowcius> heh - I like to roll with sandisk
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[23:04] <chris_99> i like Transcend because i'm cheap heh
[23:04] <mowcius> hehe
[23:05] <mowcius> well for my raspberry pi I
[23:05] <mowcius> oops
[23:05] <PhonicUK> craig1, any idea what the package names are?
[23:05] <PhonicUK> libgl isn't a package xD
[23:05] <mowcius> well for my raspberry pi I'd probably use any old rubbish (silly netbook keyboard)
[23:05] <craig1> PhonicUK: depends on the distro
[23:05] <PhonicUK> raspbian
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[23:06] <craig1> PhonicUK: no idea....I haven't used raspbian
[23:06] <craig1> but bear in mind that the names are case-sensitive
[23:06] <PhonicUK> hmm
[23:06] <PhonicUK> just looking at this
[23:06] <PhonicUK> q3 wouldn't even compile without the correct libs
[23:06] <mowcius> at the moment I'm actually using a 2GB sandisk micro SD card (class 2 I think)
[23:07] <craig1> PhonicUK: it wouldn't compile without the headers probably
[23:07] <craig1> but you can cross-compile...or have *just* the headers etc etc.
[23:07] <craig1> many ways to skin a cat
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[23:09] <craig1> PhonicUK: I would just try to download a package
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[23:09] <craig1> but I have no idea how easy it is to find one
[23:10] <craig1> just got my Pi this morning
[23:10] <PhonicUK> there is one floating around
[23:10] <PhonicUK> by hexxeh
[23:10] <PhonicUK> i should ask him whats up really
[23:11] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, I'm getting eglCreateWindowSurface() failed after compiling quake 3 on raspbian - any idea where i should start looking?
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[23:14] <sjs205> Hello all, Just got my pi yesterday :) I am trying to get it up an running but only have 512MB images lying about, I notice that all of the zipped img files are 1.8GB, which doesn't really make sense... any ideas on an image that will fit 512?
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[23:16] <craig1> PhonicUK: the list of packages you need are on that page you linked to
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[23:17] <craig1> step #4
[23:17] <nacimep> could drop just a kernel on it and through kernel config point it to a nfs root or maybe usb? dunno i dont have one cause theres short supply and everyone else is getting 2+ :P
[23:17] <craig1> that should drag in all the GL stuff along with it
[23:17] <PhonicUK> craig1, i don't think its a library issue
[23:18] <PhonicUK> its getting far enough to actually invoke the method, and the method is returning a failure state
[23:18] <nacimep> might want to get a larger sdcard ;)
[23:18] <mkopack> sjs205: You need a bigger SD card
[23:18] <sjs205> nacimep, yeah, that is one idea... I just want am image to boot my device up with...
[23:18] <piless_> call eglGetError
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[23:18] <mkopack> You CAN set things up where you run off a USB drive (HD, USB memory stick, whatever) but you still need the SD card to init the boot
[23:18] <nacimep> just need the blobs+kernel it will boot wont be very usable but will boot
[23:19] <sjs205> Does one get any output on hdmi or composite without an sdcard?
[23:19] <mkopack> If you want to do that, you CAN get away with a small SD card like that,
[23:19] <shaulkr> heh
[23:19] <PhonicUK> piless_, bleh, i don't wanna go modifying the quake 3 init code to squeeze that in xD
[23:19] <shaulkr> I put a MAX232 in the middle to convert from TTL to RS-232
[23:19] <PhonicUK> hmm
[23:19] <mkopack> sjs205: No, MUST have an SD card in
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[23:19] <sjs205> mkopack, don't need a smaller sdcard, need a smaller image, 512MB is more than enough! ;)
[23:19] <mkopack> sjs205: You're not going to get it unless you roll your own???
[23:20] <sjs205> *bigger
[23:20] <sjs205> Yeah, we that is generally what I've been doing for my embedded devices over the last 3 years... I just want something quick and dirty to test...
[23:20] <mkopack> Like I said, you CAN do it where you start the boot off the small SD card, and put root over on a USB drive. I actually do that
[23:20] <sjs205> I'll have to rob the sd card from the gf's camera!
[23:21] <sjs205> any notes available for that?
[23:21] <PhonicUK> download image, dd on to sd card, boot
[23:21] <PhonicUK> tadah
[23:21] <PhonicUK> backup sd first of course since its contents will be lost
[23:21] <D34TH> make sure to back up nude photos
[23:21] <D34TH> then dd
[23:22] <sjs205> PhonicUK, yeah sure...
[23:22] <mkopack> Unpack the image to the USB drive/stick??? Then copy the contents of the first (FAT) partition to a FAT partition on the small SD card.
[23:22] <sjs205> D34TH, no...
[23:22] <mkopack> Then edit the boot.scr file so it points to the USB drive instead of the MMC device
[23:22] <PhonicUK> mkopack, all unnecessary :P
[23:23] <mkopack> PhonicUK: That's what I was told to do to do it
[23:23] <mkopack> Works fine
[23:23] <PhonicUK> i have everything on the SD card, no external storage
[23:23] <piless_> http://i.imgur.com/6lPpp.jpg
[23:23] <sjs205> so come on PhonicUK, what to do instead? just dd the image to the sdcard and forget what it doesn't write?
[23:23] <mkopack> Right, I'm saying if he wants to run off external and use a really small SD card to boot off of
[23:24] <mkopack> And to be honest, it runs a LOT smoother off USB than SD
[23:24] <PhonicUK> i cant imagine why, the performance should be pretty similar
[23:24] <mkopack> The SD cards I had were getting at most 20MB/s
[23:24] <mkopack> USB has a lot more bandwidth
[23:24] <PhonicUK> what class?
[23:24] <mkopack> 6
[23:24] <piless_> usb only has 30
[23:25] <PhonicUK> and i doubt most flash chips put into USB drives are much faster
[23:25] <mkopack> How do you figure? 480 MBit = 60 MByte
[23:25] <PhonicUK> because while USB is capable of that, the flash chips in the actual device are almost certainly not that fast
[23:25] <mkopack> I'm using a cheap small SSD hooked up across USB
[23:26] <piless_> Because I say so
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[23:26] <craig1> piless_: wrong again...
[23:26] <piless_> I'm never wrong
[23:27] <craig1> consistently wrong
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[23:27] <PhonicUK> flamingo
[23:27] <piless_> your delusional
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[23:28] <craig1> I think you mean "you're"
[23:28] <craig1> wrong again
[23:28] <chaoshax> fffu ran out of room lol
[23:28] <chaoshax> Just removing all things apache
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[23:31] <craig1> I wonder if PiBot is running on a Pi
[23:32] <piless_> its not
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[23:35] <chaoshax> Not be careful that they don't hog the ram
[23:35] <chaoshax> Gotta*
[23:39] <PhonicUK> hmm
[23:39] <PhonicUK> how do you change startup services on debian?
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[23:41] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.18+ #1 PREEMPT Sat May 26 22:29:21 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[23:44] <bootc> gordonDrogon: :-)
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[23:46] <gordonDrogon> yea, not without some issues )-:
[23:46] <FrankBuss> gordonDrogon: nice, you've managed to compile your kernel. sorry if I have annoyed you with my message, my assumption was that your main goal was that you can use your 1-wire hardware, but you can still try it on your own. at least now you know that it is possible :-) http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=6649
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[23:46] <gordonDrogon> mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s).
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> after a few pages of related whinges at boot time.
[23:47] <FrankBuss> I had a similar problem with one SD card, changing to a SanDisk fixed it
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> this card has been solid since forver )-:
[23:47] <bootc> gordonDrogon: yep, there are MMC issues that seem to show up particularly well in my branch
[23:47] <bootc> indeed switching cards seems to fix it for most people
[23:48] <FrankBuss> or using old versions of the SD card driver :-)
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> I have a bunch of these cards - got them as they worked when my transcend one didn't...
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'll give my transcend one a go...
[23:48] <shaulkr> PhonicUK: /etc/rc2.d is a directory containing symlinks to whatever is started on boot
[23:49] <shaulkr> You shouldn't edit it manually, tough
[23:49] <shaulkr> chkconfig is convenient
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> right. let me shut it down & copy the image to a transcend one..
[23:50] <bootc> gordonDrogon: I have a transcend 2GB card that appears to work fine for me
[23:50] <bootc> well, a microsd
[23:50] <GabrialDestruir> I'm about to give up on this HDD -sighs-
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> heh - my transcend worked with the 2nd debian image released them never worked well for the 3rd one...
[23:50] <bootc> PhonicUK: update-rc.d <service> disable
[23:50] <bootc> and similarly for enable
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[23:51] <PhonicUK> righto
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[23:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hello World
[23:56] <normod> Hello Gadgetoid_Air
[23:56] <GabrialDestruir> The world sucks
[23:56] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> eurovision sucks ...
[23:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah, wife just turned it on??? *cringe*
[23:57] <GabrialDestruir> ...
[23:57] <GabrialDestruir> Don't understand why AMD dual-core optimizer is on my desktop....

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