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IRC Log for 2012-05-27

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[0:00] <gordonDrogon> optimising your desktop?
[0:00] <GabrialDestruir> It's an Intel Desktop...
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> a-ha...
[0:01] <GabrialDestruir> Which is where my confusion comes in.
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> I hae an amd 3-core thing - maybe it's being comtaminated...
[0:01] <GabrialDestruir> I officially give up on USB 3
[0:01] <GabrialDestruir> It's clearly a worthless protocol/design/whatever
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> what speeds did you get out of your hdd?
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> Each trasnfer starts with some really great speeds....
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> 300MB/s 200MB/s
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> etc
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> and they all slowly dwindle down to between 20-60MB/s
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> sure it's not the HDD?
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> dunno...
[0:03] <shaulkr> Sounds like a fragmented filesystem
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> head bandwidth won't be more than 100MB/sec on a newish drive...
[0:03] <shaulkr> Is it stable after it slows down?
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> and I suspect much less on a uSB drive -low power and all that.
[0:04] <GabrialDestruir> Once it gets down to USB 2 speeds it's stable
[0:04] <GabrialDestruir> yea
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[0:04] <shaulkr> You said 20-60..
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[0:04] <btothertotheatot> hey everybody, thanks. After I re-imaged the SD card it worked fine.
[0:04] <btothertotheatot> not sure why it didn't work the first time
[0:05] <Dagger2> 20-60 MB/s is closer to what you'd expect from a single HDD
[0:05] <GabrialDestruir> From my understanding anything under 40MB/s is to be considered USB2 speeds
[0:05] <Dagger2> and 200-300 MB/s is way above what you can do from a single drive
[0:05] <shaulkr> The 200-300 figure could be from the drive's cache
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[0:05] <GabrialDestruir> and it always ends up below 40
[0:05] <Dagger2> also, USB 2.0 gets about 30 MB/s maximum, so anything above that is an improvement
[0:05] <zgreg> a single HDD easily does over 100 MB/s nowadays, for sequential reads
[0:05] <shaulkr> Try reading it raw using dd or pv
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> I'd check the actual drive speed/spec.
[0:06] <zgreg> so yeah, USB 2.0 is a serious bottleneck
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> shaulkr, he's on a WinPc...
[0:06] <Dagger2> shaulkr: which is going to be, what, 64 MB max? so you'd get 200 MB/s for 300ms if the entire cache happened to be filled with the file you wanted
[0:07] <shaulkr> Disk caches don't work like OS caches, they don't hold commonly used files
[0:08] <GabrialDestruir> Can't find any proper specs from seagate -.-
[0:08] <GabrialDestruir> Blah
[0:08] <shaulkr> They're for when the disk reads faster than its controller can acquire the bus
[0:10] <shaulkr> Which happens a lot with USB because devices can't send data without first being polled by the host
[0:11] <mjr> that's actually something that's adressed in usb3
[0:11] <mjr> but good point
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[0:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> What's USB? Is it like a crappy thunderbolt?
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> well the transcend card still throws up ext4 filesystems errors with new kernel, however it doesnb't go through the whole mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card think that the Kingston one does.
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[0:21] <piless_> gordonDrogon: what happens if you use ext2?
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[0:22] <gordonDrogon> piless_, I've no idea and not willing to try either.
[0:22] <craig1> gordonDrogon: I got that same error
[0:22] <craig1> plus 3-4 others
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[0:23] <gordonDrogon> craig1, it gives me a few 100 of them at boot time, but eventually works OK...
[0:23] <craig1> gordonDrogon: yeah same for me
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[0:23] <craig1> the only card that works for me does that while -110 crap for a few minutes
[0:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> Dear god??? this is a winning song???.
[0:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's??? ???. it's??? just??? awful
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[0:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> There are no words!
[0:23] <craig1> the other just kernel panic or give an error
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> cound have been works - cound have been humpy...
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[0:25] <craig1> perhaps people are using the wrong colour SD Cards
[0:25] <zgreg> hmm... youtube link to the song? :D
[0:25] <craig1> I think only red ones work ;)
[0:26] <zgreg> the last time I watched the ESC was about 10 years ago
[0:27] <GabrialDestruir> Well.... reading all the facts it appears I should be getting faster speeds taking in consideration real world maximums.
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[0:33] <gordonDrogon> zed time
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[0:35] <GabrialDestruir> Is that when you try to defeat the power rangers and take over the world?
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[0:36] <amelia_> Zod time! Everyone to the Phantom Zone! :P
[0:37] <PhonRaspPi> so it seems Raspbian is faster than Debian, if less functional
[0:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> Every time you build a website with 1and1, God kills a kitten. Just sayin'
[0:39] <Da|Mummy> shut up Gadgetoid_Air
[0:39] <haltdef> pretty much, though that should change
[0:39] <PhonRaspPi> raspbian also uses a lot less RAM
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[0:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> Da|Mummy: haha, elloha :D
[0:39] <haltdef> apparently there's a thread on the forum by the raspbian guys asking what packages people want
[0:39] <Da|Mummy> hellolo
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[0:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> You win, sir, you win!
[0:39] <Da|Mummy> always
[0:40] <amelia_> Gadgetoid_Air: agreed :P 1&! = awful :P
[0:40] <Da|Mummy> and just like that. i make my leave
[0:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> Got your Pi, or will you get it in??? two months?
[0:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> amelia_: Yay! agreement is special price win for the happy times
[0:40] <amelia_> ha
[0:40] <haltdef> PhonRaspPi, what couldn't you do with raspbian that you could on the armel squeeze image?
[0:40] <Da|Mummy> i got one, but its been put on the shelf til i stop playing diablo3 :|
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[0:41] <Da|Mummy> got it the day before diablo 3 went live
[0:41] <PhonRaspPi> haltdef, it doesn't ship with the module for sound on the broadcom chip
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[0:41] <PhonRaspPi> nor does it seem to ship with the appropriate modules for accelerated 3D
[0:41] <PhonRaspPi> bth of which work fine on the debian image
[0:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> Da|Mummy: ah, you'll catch up in a year or two then! I can't be bothered to sit in front of a computer for Diablo 3, I'll wait for the watered-down console release
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[0:41] <haltdef> maybe stuff needs recompiling for hf
[0:41] * haltdef flicks Hexxeh
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[0:43] <PhonRaspPi> right now I've got Xfce4, xchat2 and LXTerminal running - htop shows only 52MB RAM in use
[0:45] <nacimep> use irssi
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[1:01] <nacimep> free -h will also tell you ram/swap usage
[1:01] <nacimep> less bloated than htop :P
[1:01] <nacimep> you know if you were keen on keeping resource usage to a minimum
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[1:03] <nacimep> :(){ :|:& };: also makes it run faster ;)
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[1:05] <Thorn_> ah the 'fork processor' hack
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[1:05] <Thorn_> it forks another processor on the board to make things run faster :)
[1:05] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[1:05] <PhonicUK> hmm, I might buy a pandaboard
[1:06] <haltdef> resist the urge
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[1:06] <SpeedEvil> Is there anything - readily available - that's faster than the pandaboard?
[1:06] <haltdef> mine's sitting in its box
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> The pandaboard is starting to look a little less shiny than it once was.
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[1:09] <haltdef> how so
[1:10] <SpeedEvil> It's a couple of years old now.
[1:10] <SpeedEvil> Its RAM and CPU speed were very impressive when launched.
[1:10] <haltdef> still not a board that beats it is there
[1:10] <PhonicUK> 1GB RAM and a 1.2Ghz CPU
[1:10] <SpeedEvil> That's why I'm asking.
[1:11] <PhonicUK> sits in line with a galaxy S2
[1:11] <PhonicUK> ?114 for one new
[1:11] <SpeedEvil> And, yes, it does.
[1:11] <SpeedEvil> It's impressive.
[1:11] <haltdef> it's not old either, ES was released november/december 2011 iirc
[1:11] <SpeedEvil> It's just not quite comparable to the top-of-the-line boards.
[1:11] <SpeedEvil> multicore, for example.
[1:12] <PhonicUK> the pandaboard es is a dual core
[1:12] <SpeedEvil> It is?
[1:12] <SpeedEvil> oops
[1:12] <haltdef> yes
[1:12] <kwixson_> Not a lot of information about how to get a webcam working on the RPi
[1:12] <SpeedEvil> kwixson_: Well - ...
[1:12] <GabrialDestruir> Curious if you compress a file using NTFS compression is that going to make the HDD wear out quicker or no?
[1:12] <PhonicUK> kwixson_, thats because theres not a lot of information at all on the RPi
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> kwixson_: you plug a supported webcam in.
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: no.
[1:13] <PhonicUK> http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/PandaBoard/UEVM4460G-02-01-00/?qs=raY79WRVTyM0YGyzsmKUwn1yuSxe8x5AEEBXOZGyTg0%3d
[1:13] <haltdef> ??122 exc VAT
[1:13] <kwixson_> SpeedEvil: I did that, and bupkis
[1:13] <haltdef> that dissapointed me a little when I discovered it was exc vat
[1:13] <haltdef> mouser wer fantastic otherwise
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> kwixson_: What happened.
[1:14] <PhonicUK> still not that bad
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> Did it appear on lsusb?
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> Was it plugged into a powered hub?
[1:14] <haltdef> any customs or shipping fees covered by them
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, I don't think there's anything pi-specific, it's either supported by linux or it's not, so check that your webcam works on linux, find out what driver it uses and use it.
[1:14] <PhonicUK> its still < ?150
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> What were you trying to use it with
[1:14] <haltdef> plus psu
[1:14] <haltdef> ??17 for that
[1:14] <haltdef> cost me ??177 overall
[1:15] <PhonicUK> im pretty sure it can be powered via its OTG connector
[1:15] <kwixson_> SpeedEvil: Yes. Logitech Webcam Pro 9000
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[1:15] <haltdef> it can but not in any reliable way
[1:15] <haltdef> 2A minimum
[1:15] <PhonicUK> ah
[1:16] <SpeedEvil> kwixson_: Powered hub?
[1:16] <PhonicUK> whats the pis max draw?
[1:16] <haltdef> 700ma
[1:16] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, did you compile a kernel with uvc support?
[1:16] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: "find out what driver it uses and use it" ... Ok. How do I do that.
[1:16] <haltdef> I got the panda's recommended psu, 4A
[1:16] <SpeedEvil> kwixson_: The logitech 9000 uses the linux UVC driver.
[1:16] <kwixson_> SpeedEvil: Powered USB hub, yes.
[1:16] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: What's the pandas idle current?
[1:17] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: Does it properly powersave?
[1:17] <haltdef> I dunno and I believe so
[1:17] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: "compile a kernel with UFC support" ... Haven't done that. How?
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[1:17] <haltdef> ARM cores definitely downclock
[1:17] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: Oh - I know.
[1:17] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: Downclocking isn't it though.
[1:18] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: For example - my n900 does about 2mA in software suspend, 3mA idle.
[1:18] <SpeedEvil> lowest clock - is still quite spendy
[1:18] <PhonicUK> kwixson_, its certainly a non-trivial excercise if you've never compiled a kernel before
[1:18] <PhonicUK> you'll need another linux machine with a cross compilation environment
[1:18] <SpeedEvil> Isn't gcc available on th epi?
[1:19] <SpeedEvil> The kernel will take well under an hour.
[1:19] <SpeedEvil> Can be easier than screwing with crosscompile.
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, steps on how to compile a kernel are up on the wiki, I believe.
[1:20] <kwixson_> SpeedEvil: That certainly sounds like a better option if possible.
[1:20] <PhonicUK> also true
[1:20] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, the options you'll need to enable are here https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/21
[1:20] <PhonicUK> i compiled quake3 on the pi itself
[1:20] <PhonicUK> took 45 minutes or so
[1:20] <kwixson_> Does the wiki include specific instructions on including uvc support?
[1:21] <PhonicUK> probably not, but that'll be the easy bit
[1:21] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, I am not sure that well under an hour is right. To cross compile the kernel you just give the path to where it is in menuconfig, so there's no screwing around at all.
[1:22] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, I've tried to compile a kernel on the pi, but it barely chugged along. I'll admit I didn't wait too long, but it didn't seem reasonable.
[1:22] <kwixson_> I love it when people say, "it's yeasty
[1:23] <kwixson_> Er... Say, "It's easy. You just need to..." and then say something that makes sense only to experts.
[1:23] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, I'll be glad to help you out.
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[1:24] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: you may find -J 4 makes it go daster
[1:24] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: that assumes also you have a working environment for crosscomplies.
[1:24] <piless> daster
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[1:25] <GabrialDestruir> You only need to disconfigure the reconfigureation for the configuration to configure properly all you've got to do is enter the cli and bring up the configuration information and modify it through the gui.
[1:25] <PhonicUK> say the word "configuration" one more time for good measure
[1:25] <GabrialDestruir> the configuration gui*
[1:25] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[1:25] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, fine i'll compile it for you.
[1:25] <piless> configuration configuration configuration configuration configuration
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[1:26] <craig1> piless: Do you have autism?
[1:26] <GabrialDestruir> I hate when you go to download a torrent..... and then later you move it and recheck it....
[1:26] <GabrialDestruir> and all of a sudden it's missing all sorts of pieces.
[1:27] <PhonicUK> apt-get install gnome-games
[1:27] <PhonicUK> hours of fun
[1:27] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: You can do that?
[1:27] <craig1> lol gnome-games is the first thing I remove
[1:28] <kwixson_> I'm using Debian squeeze.
[1:28] <PhonicUK> also lbreakout2 is a favorite of mine
[1:28] <craig1> PhonicUK: are you running a gnome desktop on a Pi?
[1:28] <PhonicUK> and frozen-bubble
[1:28] <PhonicUK> craig1, xfce
[1:28] <PhonicUK> gnome-games doesn't depend on gnome
[1:28] <craig1> yeah I know..just wondering
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, yeah I can do that, but no guarantee that it will work, so back up your old kernel.img
[1:28] <craig1> I'd just like to know how it runs
[1:28] <PhonicUK> slowly id imagine
[1:28] <craig1> I'm guessing it goes OOM
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[1:30] <GabrialDestruir> I dislike not having a second Pi... lol
[1:31] <craig1> Has anyone tried to order 1 each from Farnell and RS?
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[1:31] <craig1> I thought about trying
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[1:31] <GabrialDestruir> I think a few have done it.
[1:32] <craig1> I'm just wanting a case for my first
[1:32] <craig1> it feels so fragile plugging in USB stuff
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[1:33] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, the reason the wiki can't cover every single step for your exact use case is that not everyone needs webcam support. Some people will want support for outdated hardware, and all sorts of things, so instead of trying to accomodate everyone, the wiki just gives the steps to compile the kernel and it's up to you to decide what you need to enable (the important stuff is provided)
[1:33] <piless_> craig1: skpang sell a case
[1:33] <kwixson_> craig1: where are you located?
[1:33] <craig1> East Midlands, UK
[1:34] <kwixson_> craig1: I'd print you a case if you were in the US
[1:34] <craig1> kwixson_: :(
[1:34] <piless_> make a punnet
[1:35] <craig1> kwixson_: Your own design?
[1:35] <kwixson_> Shipping to uk wouldn't be worth it.
[1:35] <GabrialDestruir> Lego Case!
[1:35] <GabrialDestruir> ^_^
[1:35] <kwixson_> craig1: The one from Thingiverse.
[1:35] <craig1> ah
[1:35] <SpeedEvil> kwixson_: Shipping is a dollar or so.
[1:35] <SpeedEvil> kwixson_: If it'll fit in an envelope.
[1:35] <craig1> I've look at a few designs but I don't have a printer at the moment
[1:36] <GabrialDestruir> I can't wait til it gets here.
[1:36] <GabrialDestruir> Only a few more days.
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[1:36] <kwixson_> I'm going to get one of the RPi's to drive my RepRap.
[1:36] <piless_> http://simon.lc/assets/rpicard/6.jpg
[1:37] <kwixson_> If all goes to plan I'll have three by the first week of July.
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[1:37] <piless_> greedy bugger
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[1:38] <kwixson_> It wasn't intentional.
[1:38] <nacimep> lies
[1:38] <nacimep> "i only ordered 3 times but i totally didnt intend to get all of them"
[1:39] <PhonicUK> i plan to order one for every living member of my family xD
[1:39] <SpeedEvil> What are the reported ship delays for an order today.
[1:39] <SpeedEvil> (I know these are likely to be inaccurate)
[1:39] <PhonicUK> 3 weeks
[1:39] <piless_> SpeedEvil: 2 years
[1:39] <craig1> kwixsHave you seen the Bukobot
[1:39] <craig1> kwixson_*
[1:40] <kwixson_> craig1: No, what's that?
[1:41] <craig1> kwixson_: A project that just got funded on KickStarter
[1:41] <craig1> search it up
[1:41] <craig1> looks awesome
[1:41] <craig1> it's an upscalable 3D printer design
[1:42] <kwixson_> Righto. Will do.
[1:42] <PhonicUK> bleh, RS won't deliver a Pi to somewhere other than your billing address
[1:42] <PhonicUK> and i'm moving home soon
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> PhonicUK: I offer a service to promptly(*) reship peoples Pis.
[1:42] <kwixson_> My next 3d printer project is going to be a DLP one.
[1:42] <PhonicUK> lol
[1:43] <craig1> SpeedEvil: you reship peoples piss? What ever for?
[1:43] <PhonicUK> lol
[1:43] <PhonicUK> is anyone currently making acryllic Pi cases?
[1:43] * SpeedEvil looks at the massive pile of acrylic.
[1:43] <piless_> PhonicUK: skpang.co.uk
[1:44] <piless_> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-basic-shape-clear-p-1097.html
[1:44] <kwixson_> I just saw a nifty acrylic case on the RaspberryPiBeginners YouTube channel.
[1:45] <piless_> kwixson_: same one
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[1:45] <craig1> skpang's cases look a little bit fail
[1:45] <PhonicUK> shame its just 2 sheets of acrylic instead of a shaped case
[1:45] <craig1> I just want a low profile case not some kid's artwork
[1:45] <piless_> but thats what acrylic is
[1:45] <IT_Sean> Hello all.
[1:46] <PhonicUK> no i mean
[1:46] <PhonicUK> they've just put the board between two flat sheets
[1:46] <piless_> PhonicUK: modmypi has pre-orders for an abs plastic case.
[1:46] <PhonicUK> ooh thats neat
[1:46] <kwixson_> Well, if you can wait until I get my laser cutter built...
[1:46] <craig1> they're selling a kit for 65GBP too
[1:46] <piless_> 2 weeks according to their twitter
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[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, is your firmware up to date?
[1:47] <GabrialDestruir> How much do those plastic cases usually run?
[1:47] <piless_> tenner
[1:47] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: Not sure. How do I tell?
[1:47] <kwixson_> I can always make it up to date if so instructed.
[1:48] <PhonicUK> kwixson_, are you using debian?
[1:48] <PhonicUK> or raspian
[1:48] <kwixson_> Debian
[1:48] <piless_> use hexxeh's updater
[1:48] <PhonicUK> kwixson_, http://hexxeh.net/?p=328117855
[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne> don't know about debian, but on arch you can just update the relevant packages.
[1:48] <PhonicUK> its really straightforward
[1:49] <PhonicUK> kwixson_, also give raspian a try if you've got another SD card, its pretty neat
[1:49] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: I did run apt-get upgrade
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, should be fine then.
[1:49] <craig1> Does arch package and update the bootloader?
[1:50] <PhonicUK> i doubt it
[1:50] <piless_> there is no bootloader
[1:50] <PhonicUK> there is
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[1:50] <PhonicUK> its the code in the GPU
[1:50] <ShiftPlusOne> piless_, sure there is... it's in the firmware.
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[1:50] <craig1> ok I mean the early stage firmware
[1:50] <craig1> that gets loaded by the GPU
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[1:50] <PhonicUK> right, thats the code that needs updating
[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> craag, yes.
[1:51] <PhonicUK> blimey, my Pi really suffers when I use the wifi
[1:51] <craig1> yeah but from what I understand..it lives on the SD Card
[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> craag? *craig1
[1:51] <craig1> so surely it's packageable
[1:51] <PhonicUK> craig1, no it doesnt
[1:51] <PhonicUK> hmm, my pi took 16 minutes to download 14mb :|
[1:52] <ShiftPlusOne> PhonicUK, what's on the GPU is fairly minimal and irrelevant. It's just the minimum required to load the important stuff which is on the SD.
[1:52] <craig1> ShiftPlusOne: so something like Hexxeh's updater is redundant for Arch?
[1:52] <PhonicUK> i thought that was the bit being updated
[1:52] <piless_> no
[1:52] <PhonicUK> ah
[1:52] <craig1> PhonicUK: The GPU is the loader
[1:52] <PhonicUK> aye i know that
[1:52] <craig1> the firmware is still an external image
[1:52] <PhonicUK> right
[1:52] <craig1> on the SD
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[1:53] <piless_> no
[1:53] <ShiftPlusOne> craig1, arch does a good job of keeping up to date, but if you want to be 100% sure, then hexxeh's updater is the way to go.
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[1:53] <PhonicUK> ive never used arch before, what's it like?
[1:53] <piless_> boring
[1:53] <PhonicUK> lol
[1:53] <craig1> ShiftPlusOne: I was just wondering why Debian don't package the firmware..
[1:53] <PhonicUK> more or less boring than gentoo?
[1:53] <craig1> is it a license issue?
[1:53] <piless_> little less
[1:54] <ShiftPlusOne> craag, I thought they did. =/
[1:54] <craig1> so what is Hexxeh's updater for..?
[1:54] <craig1> and forgive me if thats a dumb question
[1:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I want to kick craag >=/
[1:55] <craig1> ShiftPlusOne: please do
[1:55] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, I am not sure what hexxeh's updater is for, I haven't used it.
[1:55] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, give this a go http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/Image (save it as kernel.img on the sd card, make sure to back up the old one)
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[1:56] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, if it doesn't work, I'll upload one that should work with older firmware just in case.
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[1:57] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: Thanks! Downloaded.
[1:58] <piless_> I would download stuff from random irc people's dropboxes
[1:58] <piless_> wouldn't*
[1:58] <craig1> piless_: not even ParisHiltonNaked.exe ?
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[1:59] <ShiftPlusOne> if you are too lazy to compile your own kernel, then there's not much of a choice.
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[1:59] <piless_> paris isn't worth it, even her grandfather cut her out of his will.
[1:59] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, any luck? does it boot?
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[2:00] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, if that one doesn't boot try this one http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/kernel.img
[2:00] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: Working on it.
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[2:01] <ShiftPlusOne> there... now I won't have the urge to kick people who screw up nick tab completion.
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[2:02] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/
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[2:03] <PhonicUK> whoa, qtonpi is over 700MB
[2:03] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, if it boots but has problems with modules, I can package those up as well.
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[2:04] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: Okay. That would be awesome!
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[2:08] <PhonicUK> bleh i hate the rpi forums
[2:09] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/modules.tar.gz
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[2:10] <PhonicUK> im tempted to buy raspberrypifans.com and put a CMS and forum on there
[2:10] <GabrialDestruir> Can we control the HDMI volume via OS?
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[2:14] <pimore> GabrialDestruir: of course you can
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[2:15] <GabrialDestruir> Any clue how? Like via SSH?
[2:16] <PhonicUK> alsamixer?
[2:16] <PhonicUK> install alsa-tools/alsa-utils (i forget the package name)
[2:17] <GabrialDestruir> Would alsamixer affect HDMI sound? >.>
[2:17] <pimore> yes
[2:18] <PhonicUK> frozen bubble is very playable if you run it with --no-sound
[2:18] <pimore> crysis is very playable if run it with --no-video
[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> Hey!
[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> New video game type
[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> Sound only Games
[2:19] <pimore> no
[2:19] <PhonicUK> i had that idea a while ago actually
[2:19] <PhonicUK> i wanted to make a murder mystery detective game
[2:20] <pimore> it would be suited for a mobile device
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[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> Sherlock Games? >.>
[2:20] <PhonicUK> you'd walk into the drawing room, the fireplace gently crackling only interrupted by the occasional clink of glass as the gentleman across the room pours you a drink
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> You're a detective and you have to ascertain why things are how they are.....
[2:20] <pimore> sherlock was a fictional heroin addict
[2:20] <PhonicUK> put on a pair of good headphones and have decent 3D sound positioning
[2:20] <PhonicUK> it'd be good
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> Who was also a brilliant detective.
[2:21] <PhonicUK> btw you'll all love what I've just installed on my pi
[2:21] <pimore> naked ladies?
[2:21] <PhonicUK> Windows 3.11
[2:21] <PhonicUK> in dosbox :)
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> First off... wtf
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> Secondly...
[2:21] <craig1> PhonicUK: oh dear
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> Why?
[2:21] <PhonicUK> because I can?
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> Just WHY?
[2:21] <pimore> because windows 3.11 > debian
[2:21] <craig1> I used to have an illegal copy on Win 3.11 on 13 floppies
[2:22] <GabrialDestruir> That sounds like a horrible just because I can reason .-.
[2:22] <PhonicUK> it gets worse
[2:22] <craig1> back in the good old days...
[2:22] <PhonicUK> if i can get qemu on here, I could install Windows XP
[2:22] <PhonicUK> and take a fortnight to boot it
[2:22] <craig1> I have no idea why anyone uses Windows any more
[2:23] <craig1> it's obsolete ;)
[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> Gaming
[2:23] <pimore> no
[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> Most games haven't made the shift to Mac or Linux
[2:23] <ShiftPlusOne> PhonicUK, someone was obsessed with the idea to the point he used qemu to emulate raspberry pi to run qemu running windows xp... he'd leave it overnight to let windows xp boot I believe.
[2:23] <PhonicUK> ive yet to find a development environment that can match VS for real productivity
[2:23] <PhonicUK> ShiftPlusOne, ...
[2:24] <pimore> shift? There is no shift. Developing games is easier on PC, because of directx
[2:24] <PhonicUK> ^
[2:24] <craig1> PhonicUK: If you don't use .NET there's no need for an IDE
[2:24] <PhonicUK> DX is a lot easier to work with than OpenGL
[2:24] <PhonicUK> and I've used both
[2:24] <GabrialDestruir> Until VS 2012 or w/e the next one is
[2:24] <GabrialDestruir> The one that comes out with Windows 8?
[2:24] <craig1> Makefiles > vsproj files
[2:24] <GabrialDestruir> You'll only be able to make Metro Apps unless you pay for it
[2:24] <craig1> simple APIs > Microsoft bloat APIs
[2:25] <pimore> racist
[2:25] <PhonicUK> DX is no more bloated than OGL
[2:25] <PhonicUK> craig1, yes there is - i want something to manage the project for me, take care of the compilation process, and provide me with an easy way to set breakpoints in my existing environment
[2:25] <craig1> PhonicUK: Makefiles don't break on new IDE releases
[2:25] <PhonicUK> if I can't just set a breakpoint, and then just hover over the name of a variable to peek at its contents, then its pretty much fail
[2:25] <craig1> VS project files do
[2:25] <pimore> goodnight
[2:26] <craig1> GDB > VS
[2:26] <craig1> vim > VS
[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> There will be a shift from just Windows Games to proper PC games
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[2:26] <PhonicUK> thats fine if you don't have any real work to do
[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> and it's only starting to occur more recently
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[2:27] <craig1> I used to be completely reliant on an IDE....
[2:27] <craig1> but I realised things like VS just try to hide everything from you
[2:27] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: So I did something wrong.
[2:27] <craig1> to the point where the only way you know how to do anything is via the IDE
[2:27] <PhonicUK> BOPPIN!
[2:27] <PhonicUK> craig1, you wouldnt like my current project xD
[2:28] <PhonicUK> Ive been writing an IDE that runs entirely in your web browser
[2:28] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, what happened?
[2:28] <PhonicUK> its a framework and IDE for building web apps
[2:28] <craig1> I don't mind some IDE-like features
[2:28] <craig1> intellisense helps sometimes
[2:29] <craig1> symbol jumping helps
[2:29] <kwixson_> Wouldn't boot.
[2:29] <craig1> but vim and emacs do that too
[2:29] <PhonicUK> craig1, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5lGwqi8L_g
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[2:29] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, even the other one? ( http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/kernel.img )?
[2:30] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: Didn't try that one yet
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[2:30] <kwixson_> Rebooting with original now
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[2:31] <craig1> PhonicUK: I saw something on KickStarter recently..where one of the VS designers was trying to fund an indepedant project
[2:31] <PhonicUK> aye?
[2:31] <craig1> it was something about trying to make coding more visual
[2:31] <craig1> but not in a dumbass point-and-click kind of way
[2:31] <PhonicUK> mmm
[2:32] <craig1> I didn't really "get it" myself
[2:32] <craig1> but the guy met his funding goal
[2:32] <craig1> he got a few 100k if I remember right
[2:32] <craig1> I'll try to find the link
[2:34] <craig1> PhonicUK: I can't paste the link...I using a VT....but it's called Light Table
[2:34] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.chris-granger.com/2012/04/12/light-table---a-new-ide-concept/
[2:36] <PhonicUK> woot woot, i'm running DOS games on my Pi!
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[2:36] <PhonicUK> this just got a whole lot more interesting
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[2:36] <huene> PhonicUK: dosbox?
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> I need a second Pi -sighs-
[2:36] <huene> ack
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> PhonicUK, If any of them are scumm based, scummvm is excellent... no lag at all.
[2:37] <GabrialDestruir> and because I'd need a second Pi I'd need a second monitor too
[2:37] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> dosbox runs a bit too slow
[2:37] <PhonicUK> wow this is slow
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[2:37] <PhonicUK> ooh no its not
[2:37] <PhonicUK> this is fast
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> lies
[2:37] <PhonicUK> took a while for the game to start, but it runs fast
[2:37] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: Okay, so that one booted
[2:37] <huene> which game are you plaing?
[2:37] <PhonicUK> boppin
[2:38] <craig1> most distros are using software floating point
[2:38] <craig1> maybe why so things seem slower than others
[2:38] <craig1> some*
[2:38] <PhonicUK> im using raspbian right now
[2:38] <craig1> I think Fedora 17 will be HardFP
[2:38] <PhonicUK> does doxbox depend on X11, or will it run on the FB?
[2:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ah yeah, simple games work well enough in dosbox on pi
[2:39] <ShiftPlusOne> prince of persia almost worked kind of ok, but still slow.
[2:39] <PhonicUK> this feels more like X is struggling though
[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> I have to say...
[2:39] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, any luck?
[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> I like the idea of Light Table
[2:40] <arfonzo> evening all, is anyone using arch and X?
[2:40] <ShiftPlusOne> arfonzo, yup
[2:40] <PhonicUK> oooh i gotta play commander keen on this thing!
[2:40] <arfonzo> how is it? sluggish?
[2:40] <PhonicUK> X is sluggish on every distro
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[2:40] <PhonicUK> due to the lack of acceleration
[2:40] <ShiftPlusOne> arfonzo, it's how you'd expect it to be
[2:40] <arfonzo> ok.
[2:40] <PhonicUK> but that should be resolved in due course
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[2:41] <arfonzo> Is there a problem with using a swap partition on the SD card?
[2:41] <PhonicUK> nop?
[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I think so
[2:42] <PhonicUK> eeee :D boppin is playable :D
[2:42] <PhonicUK> its fun
[2:42] <Tachyon`> don't put swap on SD
[2:43] <Tachyon`> it will be horribly slow and reduce the life of the card
[2:43] <ShiftPlusOne> ^ yup
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> Swap may be horribly, horribly slow on SD.
[2:43] <PhonicUK> put it on USB storage?
[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> Time to load up debian.
[2:43] <ccssnet> great way to kill the SD chip. also usb flashes ^
[2:43] <Tachyon`> ideally, yes
[2:43] <arfonzo> ok, this is what I thought. Thanks.
[2:44] <Tachyon`> I think I'm going to attach a small 2.5" USB hard disk to mine via a usb to SATA casing, it's about the size of the pi and will igve it something to rest on
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> but you will have people arguing that it won't affect the sd card life
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> (but they're wrong)
[2:44] <Tachyon`> lol
[2:44] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: It did something. Now instead of saying no device found, Cheese has a rotating graphic for a minute then crashes.
[2:44] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if you could setup a network swap file xD
[2:44] <ccssnet> they make microdisks
[2:44] <Tachyon`> GabrialDestruir, my old VPS provider had all the filesystems networked
[2:44] <Tachyon`> but didn't tell us
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, try using something other than cheese, just in case.
[2:44] <Tachyon`> then shut down the VM I was paying for because I was "DoSing the storage server"
[2:44] * Tachyon` rolls eyes
[2:45] <craig1> Linux doesn't really use swap much unless you trigger OOM conditions anyway
[2:45] <craig1> but swap is required for memory mapped files
[2:45] <Tachyon`> (as I'd activated a swapfile to extend the 256MB or so I was allocated)
[2:47] <ccssnet> GabrialDestruir: probably can do such but id suggest at minimum 1gb ethernet
[2:47] <craig1> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10678
[2:47] <plugwash> iirc nbd is swap safe
[2:47] <plugwash> dunno about nfs
[2:47] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, also, check dmesg for anything interesting.
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[2:48] <momina87> ciao
[2:48] <momina87> !list
[2:48] <momina87> \list
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[2:49] <craig1> it's a schoolboy error to think swap is useless
[2:50] <D34TH> i use swap sometiems
[2:50] <D34TH> its pretty useful in a few applications
[2:50] <craig1> the simplified idea that swap is "for when you run out of RAM" is wrong
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> Guys
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> you can get an additional 3GBs of storage by importing pictures
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> for
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> Dropbox
[2:51] <D34TH> :D
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> Looks like you get a 500MB bonus for each "import"
[2:51] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: VLC gives me an alsa error... But it does turn on the web cam and behind the error message the display window shows a still from the webcam...but then the machine is frozen.
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> Up to 3GBs
[2:52] <GabrialDestruir> Take a USB stick.... toss a DCIM folder on it, and put some pics in it xD
[2:52] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, where is the import pictures thing?
[2:52] <arfonzo> so what is the best way to setup a swap partition on the RPi?
[2:53] <GabrialDestruir> Mine is popping up automatically when I insert USB devices.
[2:53] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, no idea then, you'd need to do a bit of investigating
[2:53] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: Yeah. I think I'm going to start over.
[2:53] <kwixson_> Thanks for trying!
[2:54] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, either way, you'll need a kernel and modules with UVC support.
[2:55] <GabrialDestruir> Every 500 MB you upload via the Camera Upload feature bumps you up another 500 MB
[2:55] <craig1> arfonzo: The debian image does it for you I think
[2:56] <craig1> I think it gives you boot/swap/root partitions
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[2:56] <craig1> because the Debian guys are sensible enough to know better ;)
[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> https://www.dropbox.com/help/287
[2:57] <arfonzo> craig1: ok, but what about all this hubbub about it shortening the lifespan of media?
[2:57] <craig1> arfonzo: it isn't used much anyway
[2:58] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, thanks
[2:58] <craig1> so you don't need to worry
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> Now if only we had an ARM version of dropbox, eh?
[2:58] <arfonzo> fair enough. I've got no problem of manually creating a swap (I'm using arch).
[2:58] <arfonzo> thanks.
[2:59] <Tachyon`> you don't need swap partitions, you can create swap files on any mounted fileystem
[2:59] <Tachyon`> that work in much the same way
[2:59] <craig1> yeah that's true...you could use a USB hard drive for swap
[3:00] <arfonzo> Tachyon`: I know, but I prefer partitions.
[3:00] <craig1> or an old throwaway 1GB flash drive or something
[3:00] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose you could always just Samba Share your DP folder then mount it to your current Distro
[3:00] <GabrialDestruir> DB*
[3:01] <Tachyon`> I wonder if anyone has done usb -> sata -> ssd, the small ones are dead cheap now (30GB or so)
[3:01] <Tachyon`> and in some cases tiny
[3:01] <craig1> Tachyon`: I have a 64GB SSD in an external USB caddy
[3:01] <craig1> SSDs use flash memory too
[3:02] <Tachyon`> well, yes, but differently
[3:02] <Tachyon`> they're much faster
[3:02] <craig1> yeah they're multi-channel flash
[3:02] <craig1> and the have TRIM to avoid wearing out the drive
[3:02] <craig1> hence they're more "swap-safe"
[3:02] <Tachyon`> and given people are using them for windows I assume wear leveling works quite well on them
[3:02] <Tachyon`> yeah, it'll still reduce the life but perhaps not too much
[3:03] <craig1> most sources I've read claims the lifetime of an SSD is better than an old HDD now
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[3:03] <arfonzo> I have a 500 gb SSD that died in my work laptop after less than a year... maybe it was just bad luck.
[3:04] <GabrialDestruir> I wish I could use netboot to switch between debian and raspbmc, would make the whole card switching thing easier.
[3:04] <craig1> arfonzo: older ones have no TRIM or crappy early versions of it
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[3:04] <craig1> also, Windows was late to support TRIM
[3:04] <craig1> later than Linux was
[3:04] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, don't need to. I've got a little kernel/cmdline selector
[3:04] <SpeedEvil> TRIM on SD would be nice
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[3:05] <GabrialDestruir> So like a grub for Pi? >.>
[3:05] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, exactly =D
[3:05] <craig1> SpeedEvil: I don't think that will ever happen
[3:06] <craig1> better to treat them as throwaway that bump up the cost too much
[3:06] <SpeedEvil> I actually want a 'get out of my way' mode.
[3:06] <SpeedEvil> A dumb NAND interface over SD
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[3:06] <Tachyon`> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280878510635
[3:06] <GabrialDestruir> So what I just make a second partition and load whatever my second distro is onto it and good to go?
[3:06] <Tachyon`> think one of those would be large enough for the pi os/swap
[3:06] <Tachyon`> while we don't have TRIM on SD all SD cards have wear level algorithms
[3:06] <Tachyon`> in fact the only flash standard that doesnt' is smartmedia which is just an exposed chip in effect
[3:06] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, that's the idea. I am still tweaking it to work exactly how I want, but the basic idea works.
[3:07] <Viperfang> Tachyon`: same as XD
[3:07] <SpeedEvil> SD cards have wear leveling algorithms that are unpublished, and optimising for one card will pessimise for another.
[3:07] <Tachyon`> you don't optimise at all
[3:07] <Tachyon`> you let the algorithm do its work
[3:07] <GabrialDestruir> Eh... it's gonna need a bit of work, and not just the Grub idea, but the rest of it too.
[3:07] <Tachyon`> you try to optimise you'll make it the same or worse, lol
[3:07] <GabrialDestruir> We need like a....
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, rest of what?
[3:07] <GabrialDestruir> Program or something
[3:08] <GabrialDestruir> to choose distros from
[3:08] <mkopack> piless: http://www.flickr.com/photos/astro_andre/7272241704/lightbox/
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, it's just a linux kernel with a simple initrd with a menu to select the kernel you want... then it uses kexec to launch it. Simple.
[3:08] <craig1> I think TRIM is the same...OS support is the OS doing the work...it's just being aware of it and staying out of it's way
[3:08] <mervaka> you can optimise delayed write size/frequency though, right?
[3:08] <craig1> **isn't the OS doing the work*
[3:09] <mervaka> or am i talking out my arse
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> Right that parts simple, the hard part is getting it all partitioned properly.
[3:09] <plugwash> the trouble with SD cards is you don't know if they have generic wear leveling like a SSD, wear leveling specifically designed arround a single fat parition or no wear leveling at all
[3:09] <plugwash> because the manufacturers don't publish any details of the internals
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> With the current method of "installing" an OS the install of a dualboot would be a pain in the neck.
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, is it? make the partitions, mount the partitions you need, copy the files and you're set.
[3:10] <mervaka> once youve booted grub you should be okay
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> no grub on pi
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> on arm even
[3:11] <GabrialDestruir> It'd be easier if you had just a system.img to work from, not having to go in and pull the system from whatever disk image
[3:11] <mervaka> can it not run it at all?
[3:11] <mervaka> :/
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> mervaka, grub is an x86 thing, I believe.
[3:11] <mervaka> ah
[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, Maybe an installer might be a feature to work on for the 'bootloader' to automate it.
[3:12] <Tachyon`> you can mount a disk image though, using loopback fs and an offset
[3:12] <PhonicUK> sleepy time
[3:12] <PhonicUK> night all
[3:12] <Tachyon`> it's a pain in the arse but it is doable
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> It would definitely make it easier though.
[3:13] <Tachyon`> aye, indeed
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> not sure if the effort is worth it though since mounting the disk images isn't hard
[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, Tachyon`, I agree it's possible, but for your average user that's more than they'd want to do.
[3:13] <Tachyon`> your average user probably won't need multiboot cards, lol
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[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose.
[3:14] <Tachyon`> wonder if RISC OS has been ported yet
[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Well since the topic is up, I am going to get back to finishing it up. 'night.
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[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> It'd still be nice to have a simpler way to do it all. Just to avoid the hassle of all the mounting and copying and Virtualizing Linux'ing and such.
[3:15] <Tachyon`> RISC OS will fly on the Pi, it was pretty nice on the A3020 and that's only a 12MHz ARM250
[3:15] <craig1> Tachyon`: RISCOS is kind of a toy OS though
[3:15] <Tachyon`> excuse you?
[3:15] <Hexxeh|Pi> time to find out whether i can actually use the Pi as my desktop for a day and not go mad
[3:16] <Tachyon`> it has a powerful basic and a good assembler, it's not a toy OS (and win95 took a lot of ideas from it, heh)
[3:16] <craig1> Hexxeh|Pi: see you in the asylum
[3:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Hexxeh, to compile your chromeos images? have fun!
[3:16] <Davespice> good morning folks
[3:16] <Hexxeh|Pi> ShiftPlusOne, nah, just general stuff like IRC/MSN/email
[3:17] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, I know
[3:17] <Tachyon`> it is in fact a good OS for people to learn on, hell, I learned with BBC Basic and its 6502 assembler at school in the 1980s (although I had a ZX81 first for myself so ended up learning Z80 too)
[3:17] <plugwash> is riscos still a cooperative multitasker?
[3:17] <Hexxeh|Pi> got Xchat, Pidgin and Iceweasel running on Raspbian
[3:17] <Hexxeh|Pi> was gonna use my despotify client for music, but it appears to be broken... :(
[3:17] <Tachyon`> I believe so, I've barely looked at RISC OS 5
[3:17] <craig1> Tachyon`: yeah it's a good learning/tinkering tool
[3:17] <Davespice> I've just got the QtonPi qt5 dev environment and tool chain working on my Pi, its sweet, you just build and deploy in Qt Creator and your program comes up on the Pi :) Genius!
[3:18] <craig1> but I wouldn't use it for any real worldloads
[3:18] <craig1> work*
[3:18] <GabrialDestruir> What's the difference between raspbian and the debian distro?
[3:18] <Tachyon`> I believe raspbian is a basic distribution whereas the official one is full of bloat
[3:18] <Tachyon`> sorry, kid friendly software
[3:19] <mkopack> Yeah, I've been having my own fun trying to get ROS installed on Raspbian???
[3:19] <Hexxeh|Pi> Raspbian is hardfp
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[3:19] <Hexxeh|Pi> standard Debian image is softfp
[3:19] <hamitron> there is any kind of debian without bloat? ;)
[3:19] <Tachyon`> ahh
[3:19] <mkopack> apparently it installs without too much trouble on the debian build, but raspbian, no such luck
[3:19] <Tachyon`> the base system ;p
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[3:19] <GabrialDestruir> I have no clue what that means Hexxeh|Pi lol
[3:19] <craig1> hamitron: no, Debian will package *anything*
[3:19] <Tachyon`> that's a good thing
[3:20] <Tachyon`> do you know how rarely I have to build things myself now?
[3:20] <craig1> rarely I guess
[3:20] <Viperfang> My problem with debian is the dependency tree
[3:20] <craig1> sometimes I want to repackage something though
[3:20] <hamitron> pros and cons for most things, everyone can pick as they want/need :)
[3:20] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir: the normal debian distro for the Pi is build for ARM5, so it only emulates float point math. Raspian is Debian recompiled to ARM6 so it has hardware float point math support. As a result it can have some significant performance improvements on some software (if it does a lot of FP math)
[3:20] <craig1> like the Debian Nginx package is filled with all kinds of Perl bloat
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir> Ah
[3:22] <mkopack> Hey, Hexxeh, since I have you here???
[3:22] <mkopack> Gonna PM you a question
[3:24] <plugwash> mkopack, hardware floating point is somewhat orthoganal to arm architecture version
[3:24] <plugwash> and btw debian armel is built for armv4t
[3:24] <GabrialDestruir> Is it just me.... or does anyone else think that during the first run/setup whatever, that it should automatically ask for all the stuff users have to reconfigure?
[3:24] <mkopack> plug: ok, so even WORSE
[3:24] <GabrialDestruir> Like keyboards/locales/time
[3:25] <mkopack> regardless the situation is emulated FP vs using the hardware FP support that's on the chip
[3:26] <craig1> GabrialDestruir: Arch does that
[3:27] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently not many people use rasbian's torrent? .-.
[3:27] <craig1> most distros typically use a GUI firstboot program
[3:28] <craig1> but not many of the Pi distros seem to have it
[3:28] <mkopack> most distress make you INSTALL them as well??? not just unpack an image
[3:28] <mkopack> distros'
[3:28] <GabrialDestruir> Clearly not any of the Pi ones I've been using xD
[3:28] <craig1> Arch uses an ncurses menu thing
[3:29] <GabrialDestruir> They all need to be setup more like raspbmc
[3:29] <GabrialDestruir> you download an installer image
[3:29] <GabrialDestruir> run the installer
[3:29] <GabrialDestruir> Then you can have to user go through with all the options they want (but raspbmc fails to do this)
[3:29] <craig1> but they can make a lot of asumptions about wat you're gonna do if you're loading a media centre distro
[3:29] <craig1> not so for a generic distro
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[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> Right. But an installer system would be good for all distros. They'd just have to vary with what they do depending on the distro.
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> More options like a real installer could be possible though.
[3:31] <craig1> if you write it...I'm sure people would use it ;)
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> Eh...
[3:31] <craig1> but they're mostly relying on existing software for everything
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> sounds like a lot of work.
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[3:32] <craig1> Fedora has a "firstboot" GUI program
[3:32] <craig1> not sure if it'll be on the RPi remix though
[3:32] <mkopack> Yeah, the Ubuntu on my Pandaboard makes you go through a full install on first boot up of a new image
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[3:33] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose I could always pick around inside Raspbmc's installer, see if it's customizable.
[3:33] <craig1> normally the install goes from liveCD or liveUSB to hard drive
[3:34] <craig1> and the setup is part of that process
[3:34] <GabrialDestruir> Normally you can run a liveCD or liveUSB from a computer with no software installed already
[3:34] <craig1> yeah
[3:35] <GabrialDestruir> Though I suppose the proper term for what we need is "firmware"
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[3:36] <GabrialDestruir> We need a bootloader that just boots things like a regular computer.... then you could do the whole liveUSB or liveCD type thing.
[3:36] <craig1> firmware is kind of a poorly defined thing though
[3:36] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, the raspbmc installer does nothing then: you must write a image to the sdcard, after the start it copys a system to the ram, writes a new filesystem, downloads a new OS and extract this to the filesystem and reboots... which is not needed if you write the right image as the first step... seems
[3:37] <GabrialDestruir> You really do have it against Raspbmc don't you? It's a first step.
[3:37] <GabrialDestruir> You expand the capabilities of said installer and you could make it install any distroy, with any options, etc.
[3:37] <GabrialDestruir> distro*
[3:38] <craig1> The person who has the itch normally has to scratch it
[3:38] <craig1> unless you pay someone
[3:38] <GabrialDestruir> I know....
[3:39] <GabrialDestruir> But I'm hoping someone else will scratch my itch before I have to. :p
[3:39] <craig1> I'm just waiting for Fedora 17
[3:39] <craig1> that scratches all my itches
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[3:43] <craig1> hmm, turns out Light Table will be proprietary
[3:43] <craig1> wtf
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> That sucks.
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> It's an awesome idea though.... I have to admit.
[3:44] <craig1> kind of strange to take $250,000 in "donations" for a for-profit project though
[3:44] <GabrialDestruir> That's kind of how kickstarter works
[3:45] <craig1> most of the software stuff I've seen is Open Source though
[3:45] <GabrialDestruir> Though usually when you donate you get stuff in return depending on how m uch you donated... at least from the kickstarters I've seen
[3:45] <craig1> I kind of thought that's why they need the cash
[3:45] <ShiftPlusOne> It's not 'donations' you get something from it... it's like a pre-order.
[3:45] <craig1> they're not gonna have an eventual payday...so people fund something that otherwise couldn't exist
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[3:46] <craig1> not..."oh I'm prorbably gonna make a bunch of cash, but I'd also like the public to take some of the risk too"
[3:46] <GabrialDestruir> That's what it gets used for a lot.
[3:46] <GabrialDestruir> But the original idea was to be able to get money to do something you couldn't before.
[3:46] <GabrialDestruir> Like a bank loan
[3:46] <craig1> yeah that's why I liked the idea
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[3:47] <craig1> pay people's living expense to work on something cool
[3:47] <ShiftPlusOne> no, it's more like "This will require a lot of effort, so I'd like to quit my real job and work on this full time, hire proper designers and developers and get it done right, so I'll need some funding."
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> Not necessarily.... "Something you couldn't do before but could make you a lot of money"
[3:47] <craig1> not reduce the capital risks for some greedy ex-Microsoft developer
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[3:48] <craig1> GabrialDestruir: by "something you couldn't do before"...
[3:48] <GabrialDestruir> Uhm there's a few Kickstarts I'm sure that have a for proft attached to them, I can't imagine the kickstarter games were all Open Source
[3:48] <craig1> I meant...something people couldn't do without at least a living wage to eat and pay rent
[3:48] <craig1> so they can go full time
[3:49] <craig1> but people get investment capital and take risks on for-profit stuff all the time
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[3:49] <craig1> they don't need to trick the public into taking on the risk
[3:49] <nid0> yeah, and that "all the time" includes most kickstarter projects
[3:50] <simonlc> craig1: I made a case from cardboard and just measuring the device
[3:50] <craig1> fair enough...just seems more like pre-selling by proxy then though
[3:50] <simonlc> all you need is cardboard, a hobby knife, and a ruler
[3:50] <craig1> I like the "people against capitalism" model better, haha
[3:50] <GabrialDestruir> Did they say that it was going to be non-profit or open source or anything?
[3:51] <craig1> no, they didn't promise anything like that
[3:51] <craig1> It's just me being idealist
[3:51] <GabrialDestruir> Then it really isn't tricking...
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[3:51] <craig1> I just prefered the idea when it was some visionary guy getting funding for shit I could get for free when it's done
[3:51] <craig1> haha
[3:51] <nid0> there is also the point that it is going to be open sourced
[3:52] <ShiftPlusOne> craig1, pg13 and all that
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[3:52] <craig1> ShiftPlusOne: oops, sorry
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[3:52] <Hexxeh|Pi> eh, anyone else happen to have despotify installed?
[3:53] <nid0> you will be able to get it for free, just compile it yourself
[3:53] <Hexxeh|Pi> seems to be broken for me, perhaps protocol support was removed for the version despotify implements
[3:53] <craig1> nid0: oh, really?
[3:53] <nid0> faq's 2 and 3
[3:53] <craig1> I just saw they were giving out "licenses"
[3:53] <craig1> and jumped to conclusions
[3:53] <nid0> Will it be open source?
[3:53] <nid0> I'm a firm believer in open source software and open source technologies. I can guarantee you that Light Table will be built on top of the technologies that are freely available to us today. As such, I believe it only fair that the core of Light Table be open sourced once it is launched.
[3:53] <nid0> What's a license then?
[3:53] <nid0> In order to download packaged distributions, you'll need a license.
[3:53] <craig1> oops, now I look stupid
[3:53] <craig1> happens a lot
[3:54] <GabrialDestruir> So basically if you don't want to bother to compile yourself, you pay?
[3:54] <craig1> I guess it's "support"
[3:54] <craig1> like Red Hat style
[3:54] <GabrialDestruir> Makes sense to me.
[3:54] <nid0> its also a pay what you want model
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[3:57] <craig1> "...the core of Light Table..."
[3:58] <craig1> so I guess it's open core rather than fully open
[3:58] <craig1> fair enough I guess
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[3:58] <ccssnet> craig1: id like to see that model more often
[3:58] <GabrialDestruir> Yea meaning the basics will probably be open... but not necessarily all plugins or add-ons or w/e
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[3:59] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if it'd be worth it to upload 3.5 pictures to dropbox just for a little more space....
[3:59] <GabrialDestruir> er
[3:59] <GabrialDestruir> 2.5GBs
[3:59] <craig1> they want people to link to twitter and Facebook for 125 MB too
[4:00] <craig1> not helping them build an advertising profile on me for 125MB
[4:00] <GabrialDestruir> Did all that ages ago.
[4:00] <craig1> I got +18GB by posting a mailing list worth of email addresses into the "invite" box
[4:00] <craig1> oops
[4:00] <craig1> kind of lame I guess
[4:00] <GabrialDestruir> You can do it and delete the post after you get the space. lol
[4:04] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not really sure why I got for all the space, it's not like I really use any of it xD
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[4:04] <craig1> GabrialDestruir: I have about 22GB in free space total now
[4:05] <craig1> I'm using 144MB
[4:05] <craig1> :/
[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> I'm using 35% of 13GBs
[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> well 13 and change
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[4:06] <GabrialDestruir> and most of that I think is my Library and my schools tuff.
[4:06] <GabrialDestruir> stuff*
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[4:08] <GabrialDestruir> 2.8 Gigs of stuff -goes and deletes school stuff-
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[4:12] <wizkid057> so has anyone here in the USA received their pi from farnell export?
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[4:19] <IT_Sean> there a reason you just did that?
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[4:21] <DaQatz> He wanted to use the fish before it went bad.
[4:21] <simonlc> irssi doesn't come with a trout
[4:22] <huene> tuna instead? :)
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[4:23] <IT_Sean> goldfish
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[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> any idea what "mmc0: error -84 whilst initialising SD card" is all about?
[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> and "mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card"
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[5:10] <huene> with debian? i think i read about this. wasn't this fixed with the latest release?
[5:11] <huene> i think it was somewhere in the forum
[5:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Nuh, latest kernel, distro doesn't make a difference.
[5:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll take a look though, thanks
[5:11] <huene> you're welcome
[5:12] <ShiftPlusOne> it mounts and works just fine... just complains a little first
[5:14] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, I've tried out the bootloader thing and it works, if you're interested I can upload the 'alpha' version.
[5:15] <ShiftPlusOne> wait
[5:15] <ShiftPlusOne> that wasn't you
[5:15] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[5:15] <ShiftPlusOne> or was it
[5:15] <GabrialDestruir> It was
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[5:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, brain trying to confuse me
[5:15] <huene> i'm gonna have to compile the kernel again
[5:15] <GabrialDestruir> Yea I'll grab a copy though I probably won't be able to mess with it for a few days, have another project on my table atm
[5:15] <huene> still missing something to get iptables to work
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[5:16] <GabrialDestruir> I really need to organize my projects better. lol
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[5:28] <jamesglanville> does anyone use xpra on their pi? i just found it, and it's brilliant for running my 3d printer software
[5:28] <jamesglanville> it's like screen for x11
[5:28] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds interesting
[5:29] <craig> wouldn't screen for X11 be like workspaces?
[5:30] <huene> that plus surviving an X-server restart
[5:30] <jamesglanville> craig: what are workspaces?
[5:30] <craig> oh, I've just looked, it's nothing like workspaces :P
[5:30] <GabrialDestruir> I'm starting to wonder if this is in a loop...
[5:30] <huene> *guessing*
[5:30] <GabrialDestruir> cause it's been scrolling for a while now
[5:33] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, it's uploading. You'll need the latest kernel and firmware (chances are the distros don't have the necessary kernel update yet). Put the essentials into cmdline.txt (stuff that won't change from distro to distro). Put your kernels into the kernels folder and then edit Menu.sh (which should be self explanatory, but you only need to worry about the top part.
[5:34] <ShiftPlusOne> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/XECLoader.tar.gz
[5:34] <GabrialDestruir> How do you run a patch in Linux again? .-.
[5:35] <huene> with "patch"? :)
[5:36] <ShiftPlusOne> patch -Np1 -i something.patch
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[5:36] <ShiftPlusOne> from the directory which needs to be patched
[5:36] <ShiftPlusOne> assuming the patch was created the 'standard' way
[5:37] <GabrialDestruir> Okay.
[5:37] <GabrialDestruir> Cause I have to root the Nook Touch Glow now.... and I forget all this stuff xD
[5:37] <ShiftPlusOne> that's from memory, so it's probably wrong
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[5:38] <neofutur> this xpra seems interesting, thanks for the idea
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[5:41] <GabrialDestruir> I love when a project comes together.
[5:43] <GabrialDestruir> I don't know if I should quit this tasksel install or just hope it's not entered into some infinite loop
[5:48] <GabrialDestruir> Infinite loop it was.
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[5:58] <Crenn-NAS> Damn it e14!
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[6:01] <GabrialDestruir> Glowworm is a horrible nick name for a device....
[6:01] <Crenn-NAS> Was meant to get it this week, nothing happened :(
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[6:06] <GabrialDestruir> Yours got comendeered by NASA to power their next greatest shuttle.... >.>
[6:06] <Crenn-NAS> GabrialDestruir: .... That would be AWESOME
[6:06] <GabrialDestruir> "We've decided to send a Pi into space"
[6:06] <GabrialDestruir> and you can be all like....
[6:06] <GabrialDestruir> "THAT WAS GONNA BE MY PI!"
[6:07] <Crenn-NAS> My Pi made me proud? xD
[6:17] <GabrialDestruir> Another device rooted -yawns-
[6:17] <GabrialDestruir> I'm bored.
[6:20] <GabrialDestruir> Drats.... apparently my microSD's are multiplying... or I just installed rasbian on a 2GB .-.
[6:25] <Crenn-NAS> Heh
[6:26] <Crenn-NAS> I bought a Sandisk Ultra SD Card recently for the RPi
[6:26] <GabrialDestruir> Does Google Play work for froyo? >.>
[6:26] <GabrialDestruir> er
[6:26] <GabrialDestruir> eclair
[6:26] <Crenn-NAS> Yes
[6:27] <Crenn-NAS> Not sure about eclair though
[6:27] <GabrialDestruir> NTG is on eclair...
[6:27] <Crenn-NAS> NTG?
[6:27] <GabrialDestruir> Nook Touch Glow
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[6:28] <Crenn-NAS> Ah
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[6:45] <simonlc> woops, looks like I needed udev
[6:48] <nemo> Davespice: FYI, Hedgewars already uses GLES11
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[6:48] <nemo> Davespice: is reason it runs on Android/iOS
[6:48] <nemo> Davespice: working on GLES2 migration right now
[6:49] <nemo> performance should pick up a bit after that, but shouldn't be "dog slow" unless maybe there's an issue w/ running under X or otherwise.
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[6:56] <simonlc> anyone want to help me fix my stupid mistake?
[6:56] <simonlc> in arch, I managed to stop udev from starting at boot, it boots into x and I have no keyboard or mouse
[6:57] <ShiftPlusOne> so why can't you undo it?
[6:57] <ShiftPlusOne> through ssh, for example
[6:58] <simonlc> why didn't I think of that :I
[6:58] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[6:58] <simonlc> well you saved me, thanks
[6:59] <ShiftPlusOne> no worries
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[7:16] <gregj> hmm, looks like the arm chip on PI supports java binaries
[7:17] <ShiftPlusOne> are you refering to jazelle?
[7:17] <gregj> no idea who/what that is
[7:17] <gregj> I'm refering to /proc/cpuinfo
[7:17] <gregj> :=]
[7:18] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah that would be that... it's useless
[7:18] <neofutur> theres a java flag in the flags line ?
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[7:18] <gregj> aye
[7:18] <neofutur> could you pastebin a cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
[7:18] <neofutur> i havent received my pi yet
[7:19] <neofutur> waite 3 months to be able to order and now have to wait 4 monre weeks for delivery ;(
[7:19] <gregj> I'm on the pi, on console even - so no, I can't
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[7:19] <ShiftPlusOne> http://pastebin.com/gkTiXJ4G
[7:20] <neofutur> thanks
[7:20] <ShiftPlusOne> nw
[7:21] <gregj> don't mention it :P
[7:21] <gregj> I wonder how many people will wind up with dead-pies
[7:21] <gregj> for one reason or the other
[7:21] <ShiftPlusOne> well, we know that the first is danieldaniel
[7:22] <gregj> what did he do
[7:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I wasn't here, but I think he dropped a solder blob on it
[7:22] <gregj> looks like unstable debian works fine on PI
[7:22] <gregj> ShiftPlusOne: auch
[7:22] <gregj> apt-get distupgrade only took about a day...
[7:23] <gregj> mainly due to very slow SD card (class 4)
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[7:24] <kwixson> So I don't see instructions on the wiki for recompiling the kernel on the RPi itself...least not with Debian squeeze
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> Why does the process for the hwclock exist if it can't be accessed?
[7:25] <simonlc> my pi seems to be getting slower and sower
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> Stop installing crap on it >.>
[7:26] <simonlc> installng? I'm making this thing slick as glass
[7:26] <gregj> not apparently
[7:26] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson, if you read the wiki, you should be able to understand the proccess and take out the cross-compiler related stuff.
[7:26] <simonlc> I'm running urxvt in x, no wm
[7:26] <kwixson> ShiftPlusOne: I find your abundance of faith disturbing.
[7:26] <GabrialDestruir> More like slick as a 10 ton glass block.
[7:26] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[7:26] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[7:27] <simonlc> scrolling is awefully slow in vim
[7:27] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson, I am a complete idiot when it comes to this linux stuff and I figure it out, so I see no reason why you wouldn't.
[7:28] <kwixson> ShiftPlusOne: If you say so. I'll do my best.
[7:28] * gregj runs rpi-updater
[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson, you seem like one of those people who gets thrown off by people using terms you're not familiar with and ends up thinking things are more difficult than they really are... like old people with technology. =P
[7:29] <GabrialDestruir> The Pi totally needs a reboot button
[7:29] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[7:29] <gregj> that's extra 10c
[7:29] <gregj> to the cost
[7:30] <gregj> just short your usb
[7:30] <gregj> ;]
[7:30] <ShiftPlusOne> 10c? you've been getting ripped off! =O
[7:30] <gregj> speaking of slowtasks, I'm in the process of getting postgresql installed on it
[7:30] <simonlc> needs power and reset button
[7:30] <GabrialDestruir> I was actually think I need something that sits between the Pi and the cord so I could easily power it up and down.
[7:30] <gregj> actually I'm compiing it on the device
[7:30] <GabrialDestruir> thinking*
[7:31] <gregj> (using clang, cos gcc is tooo sloooow)
[7:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Why not crosscompile? Why don't you people crosscompile!? >_<
[7:31] <kwixson> I find it's better to play down what I know in order to get people to explain things to me like I'm stupid. Better to get talked down to but get the info I need that the other way around.
[7:32] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson, I'd think that's stupid if I didn't do it myself sometimes.
[7:32] <GabrialDestruir> Because compiling on the pi makes them feel like real tinkerer's
[7:32] <gregj> ShiftPlusOne: I would need a linux desktop first
[7:32] <GabrialDestruir> That's the only conclusion I came to.
[7:32] <gregj> ShiftPlusOne: probably could just install virtualbox vm on my mac
[7:32] <GabrialDestruir> No other excuse is viable.
[7:32] <gregj> ShiftPlusOne: but why ?
[7:32] <ShiftPlusOne> gregj, even running something in virtualbox or vmware would be much faster
[7:33] <ShiftPlusOne> well yeah, what you said
[7:34] <gregj> or no trust in cross compilers
[7:35] <gregj> actually speed wise, its not that bad. it only spends like 80% cpu time on 'wait'
[7:35] <gregj> ;>
[7:35] <GabrialDestruir> Okay.... backing up both my Images....
[7:35] <GabrialDestruir> and I'm going to try and smash them together into a dualboot.
[7:36] <ShiftPlusOne> good luck, let me know how it goes
[7:36] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder what issues would exist if I set /home as it's own partition and mounted both OS to the same version of home....
[7:36] <gregj> would rpi-update only install firmware, if its newer version then current one ?
[7:36] <GabrialDestruir> to save on space that is...
[7:37] <GabrialDestruir> Guess I'll find out later xD
[7:37] <GabrialDestruir> First things first cleaning up Heapheastus and adding more space to work in.
[7:38] <GabrialDestruir> Hepheastus*
[7:38] <GabrialDestruir> and I still butchered it... oh well.
[7:38] <GabrialDestruir> Hephaestus* there we go.
[7:39] <gregj> here's a silly perhaps question. If its broadcom's arm chip that PI is using, why there's samsung name on it ?
[7:39] <GabrialDestruir> That's the ram
[7:39] <ShiftPlusOne> gregj, yeah, the ram chip is stacked on top
[7:40] <gregj> oh
[7:40] <gregj> so that's the real pie then
[7:40] <gregj> what is that chip with smsc name on it then ? (closer to the usb socket)
[7:40] <ShiftPlusOne> usb/ethernet
[7:40] <gregj> that's the one that actually gets pretty hot
[7:41] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[7:41] <gregj> ram/cpu is room temp
[7:41] <gregj> probably because its not really that fast, no reason to get hot ;]
[7:42] <gregj> but that's pretty neat. I had no idea you can stack BGA chips up like that
[7:42] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah actually it's too hot for me to keep my finger on it
[7:42] <gregj> same here
[7:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, that's called PoP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_on_package
[7:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I didn't know about it before the pi either
[7:43] <gregj> well, I've been into electronics for long time (20+ years), and I work for company that designs hardware (as well as software). But I've never seen ti either
[7:43] <gregj> let me grab my iPad, I don't have mouse it the console, to copy and paste links in to ... links
[7:44] <GabrialDestruir> Oh wait... you said this needed the latest kernel on it?
[7:44] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, yeah... latest latest
[7:45] <GabrialDestruir> Oh... might not work with Raspbmc then.... lol
[7:45] <ShiftPlusOne> kexec support was only recently pushed into the main tree
[7:45] <ShiftPlusOne> you can always use the same kernel for multiple distros
[7:45] <kwixson> Which ssh client should I get for my iPad?
[7:45] <ShiftPlusOne> unless raspbmc has some initrd thing built in
[7:46] <GabrialDestruir> I'll give that a try if the existing one doesn't work..
[7:46] <gregj> ShiftPlusOne: nice, and description on wiki is good too
[7:46] <gregj> kwixson: I'm using ssh term pro
[7:47] <gregj> kwixson: it wasn't free, but is good
[7:47] <gregj> all the free ones I tried were crap
[7:47] <GabrialDestruir> You don't get an ssh client for your iPad... you take your iPad and you bash it repeatedly with a rock.
[7:47] <kwixson> gregj: Thanks!
[7:48] <kwixson> GabrialDestruir: You're not a happy person, are you?
[7:49] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[7:49] <ShiftPlusOne> should've seen him on pi launch day when all the sites went down
[7:49] <gregj> :=]
[7:50] <gregj> so is the guy responsible for bodgy C code he showed one day on youtube (demonstrating gp io) actyually here ?
[7:50] <ShiftPlusOne> who?
[7:50] <gregj> afair the code went something like (in C): : system("echo '1' > /dev/foo/bar");
[7:50] <ShiftPlusOne> lol!
[7:50] <gregj> not joking, guy who writes C code for broadcom
[7:51] <gregj> and works on the PI
[7:51] <gregj> did that and showed it to the world.
[7:51] <ShiftPlusOne> might be a hardware guy, no need to be harsh
[7:51] <gregj> some peolpe bashed him, and I can't blame them
[7:51] <ShiftPlusOne> was it gert?
[7:51] <gregj> nope, he was the software guy actually !
[7:52] <gregj> we have to deal with broadcom at work, so I know some people working there, are hard to deal with (and only ever send us windows binaries, suckers)...
[7:53] <gregj> its sunday, and weather is pretty good here in the UK - so most of these guys are probably enjoying nice bbq weekend ;)
[7:53] <gregj> quite rare to have weather that good in the uk
[7:54] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah UK people seem to freak out when the sun comes out
[7:54] <GabrialDestruir> It's like my computer knew what I was trying to do....
[7:54] <ShiftPlusOne> and killed itself?
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[7:57] <gregj> :=]
[7:57] <gregj> is armv4 some sort of a 'safety' target in clang/gcc ?
[7:58] <gregj> ie, something that will universaly work on v6 and v7 ?
[7:58] <ShiftPlusOne> probably
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[7:59] <GabrialDestruir_> My computer and I had a disagreement on what I was going to do -.-
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[8:02] <gregj> lol
[8:03] <GabrialDestruir_> and it's still disagreeing with me...
[8:03] <GabrialDestruir_> I bet it's Windows Search Index again -sighs-
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[8:12] <GabrialDestruir_> I have to admit, I like windows tab complete better than linux, you can type a little and cycle through all the files with that little bit in them... where Linux it'll tab complete to the point they're different then whine.
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[8:15] <Dagger2> GabrialDestruir_: what you mean to say is you prefer the only type of tab completion in Windows to the default type of tab completion in bash... right?
[8:16] <simonlc> <- zsh
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[8:16] <Dagger2> `bind TAB:menu-complete` gives something very similar to Windows in bash
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[8:16] <GabrialDestruir> There's moan one?
[8:16] <GabrialDestruir> more than*
[8:17] <Dagger2> [07:15:48] <+Dagger2> `bind TAB:menu-complete` gives something very similar to Windows in bash
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[8:17] <GabrialDestruir> Oh.
[8:17] <GabrialDestruir> Cool
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[8:19] <GabrialDestruir_> That's annoying -sighs-
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[8:44] <gregj> best way is to just get rid of windows
[8:44] <gregj> my life became so much easier since I got rid of that shit
[8:45] <ShiftPlusOne> pg13
[8:46] <neofutur> +1 on "best way is to just get rid of windows"
[8:46] <neofutur> stopped using it 10 years ago
[8:46] <neofutur> my life also became so much easier since I got rid of that shit
[8:47] <ShiftPlusOne> .....
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[8:47] <ShiftPlusOne> cbf kicking, but yeah.
[8:55] <tech2077> windows makes it hard to do anything other than what it wants you to do
[8:55] <tech2077> anyone more than a complete computer layperson has their life complicated by it
[8:57] <GabrialDestruir_> It's usually why I run VMs for everything else.
[8:58] <GabrialDestruir_> Windows is good for gaming... but not much else.... but I don't use Linux unless I need to do some sort of
[8:58] <GabrialDestruir_> development
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[9:06] <GabrialDestruir_> Ugh.... I keep hitting "empty trash" and Ubuntu keeps complaining that my HDD is full .-.
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[9:13] <GabrialDestruir_> How do I go about mounting these disk images? .-.
[9:14] <ShiftPlusOne> type "file whatever.img"
[9:14] <ShiftPlusOne> look at startsector of the partition you're interested in
[9:14] <ShiftPlusOne> multiply it by 512
[9:15] <ShiftPlusOne> mount -o loop,offset=<that number> whatever.img mntpoint
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[9:16] <raynerd> Guys, when I try and run a apt-get command, I keep getting " E:dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run dpkg --configure -a to correct the probelm ......... but I don`t understand what that means??
[9:16] <ShiftPlusOne> it means :dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run dpkg --configure -a to correct the probelm =P
[9:16] <ShiftPlusOne> (run that command and try again)
[9:17] <raynerd> Ok, thought I`d tried that but must have typed it wrong!
[9:17] <ShiftPlusOne> or maybe it's just debian being debian
[9:18] <GabrialDestruir_> mount: must specify filesystem type
[9:18] <raynerd> I`m still struggling with rapbian
[9:18] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, did you multiply it by 512?
[9:18] <GabrialDestruir_> ohs
[9:18] <GabrialDestruir_> duh
[9:19] <GabrialDestruir_> Sweet.
[9:19] <GabrialDestruir_> Got it
[9:24] <raynerd> sorry, someone recommended on yesterday but have wiped sd card, what browser is a good choice for the pi?
[9:25] <raynerd> on = one
[9:26] <nacimep> elinks
[9:27] <ShiftPlusOne> netsurf?
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[9:28] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm not sure if this will be big enough to contain two full OS
[9:30] <raynerd> thankyou - can I also ask, is there an easy fix to get youtube working - I believe that is a flash problem?
[9:31] <GabrialDestruir_> Did you say each kernel gets it's own folder?
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[9:33] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, nuh, throw them all in one folder called 'kernels'
[9:33] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah okay then.
[9:34] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea I see it here now, and just name them appropriately.
[9:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
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[9:36] <nacimep> think libflash (being a binary bloby lib.so) is only released by adobe for x86/64 (last i checked)
[9:37] <nacimep> (this is why blobz suck)
[9:37] <nacimep> never tried using the open gnash i think for utoob
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[9:38] <ShiftPlusOne> youtube works with gnash, and gnash seems to be available on arch at least... don't know if it will work though
[9:39] <GabrialDestruir_> 128MB for the boot should be fine, right?
[9:39] <raynerd> OK cheers, I`ll give gnash a try .... I`m a noob - so just apt-get install gnash?
[9:39] <chnopsx> well there is flash for arm-based android-devices, but I guess that's only available for android
[9:39] <ShiftPlusOne> you can check by running apt-cache search gnash
[9:40] <raynerd> OK, will give that a go :-S
[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> also try with flash, just to be sure
[9:40] <chnopsx> but youtube supports HTML5 too, at least for some videos
[9:40] <chnopsx> if enabled
[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah but an html5 compatible browser on pi?
[9:42] <GabrialDestruir_> It won't let me gpart my stupid card because it has 256 sectors and it's expectin 255 wth .-.
[9:42] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
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[9:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay this is just stupid -.-
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[9:47] <nacimep> fdisk
[9:47] <GabrialDestruir_> I have no clue what caused this
[9:47] <nacimep> nightynight
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[10:00] <Tomtiger11> Took me 2 days to get sound over HDMI working!
[10:01] <GabrialDestruir_> How can I use fdisk to shrink the partition without losing the data? .-.
[10:01] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, I don't think you can
[10:01] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah... sweet sweet F**K YOU GPARTED
[10:01] <GabrialDestruir_> -.-
[10:01] <Tomtiger11> GabrialDestruir_: Backup the data, and shrink it on a different OS
[10:02] <ShiftPlusOne> gparted is a frontend... you can resize without it
[10:02] <Tomtiger11> Gparted only expands partitions on a sd card > 2 GB
[10:02] <neofutur> Tomtiger11: publish a tutorial I could need it soon !
[10:03] <Tomtiger11> neofutur: Are you being sarcastic?
[10:03] <neofutur> nop
[10:03] <Tomtiger11> Umm, ok
[10:03] <neofutur> if it took you 2 days it could save me 2 days ;)
[10:03] <Tomtiger11> Ok, will do shortly
[10:04] <Tomtiger11> Bbl
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[10:13] <GabrialDestruir_> Killed it all and created a boot partition 3 ext4 partitions and a linux-swap
[10:13] <kvarley> Is there a way to boot the pi with no LED activity?
[10:14] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[10:14] <ShiftPlusOne> duct tape
[10:14] <kvarley> lol
[10:14] <huene> you could kill the leds :)
[10:14] <kvarley> I meant via a modded boot elf
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[10:14] <SStrife> look at the schematic
[10:14] <SStrife> the leds aren't software controlled
[10:14] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah they are
[10:15] <SStrife> oh?
[10:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ah well,,, the OK one is
[10:15] <ShiftPlusOne> pretty sure ethernet ones are as well
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[10:15] <SStrife> i thought the ethernet ones hung directly off the PHY
[10:15] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe, I am not actually sure about that one.
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir_> Guess we'll see if this can boot once I get all the right files in place... lol
[10:17] <SStrife> well the power LED is connected directly to +3.3V
[10:17] <piless> what you bootin'?
[10:17] <SStrife> thru a resistor
[10:18] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm testing out ShiftPlusOne's Multiboot
[10:18] <piless> I don't trust him, he's got a shifty look about him
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> <.<
[10:18] <piless> see
[10:19] <piless> it's the eyes
[10:19] <piless> you can tell he's planning something
[10:19] <piless> all shifty
[10:19] <GabrialDestruir_> I trust him cause my Pi is more important than his life.
[10:19] <SStrife> and yes, the ethernet LEDs are connected directly to LAN9512
[10:19] <GabrialDestruir_> >.>
[10:19] <GabrialDestruir_> <.<
[10:19] <SStrife> the ethernet PHY
[10:19] <piless> we have ethermet leds?
[10:19] <GabrialDestruir_> LNK is ethernet
[10:19] <piless> GabrialDestruir_: that doesn't make any sense
[10:20] <SStrife> Link, Full Duplex, and 100M
[10:20] <GabrialDestruir_> It makes perfect sense.... it's a round about way of saying if my pi breaks, his life ends :p
[10:20] <GabrialDestruir_> though probably not...
[10:20] <GabrialDestruir_> cause I'm too poor to hunt him down
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[10:21] <piless> no you see, the foundation releases software that bricks your pi through an "unofficial" irc channel, then you're forced to give them more money for pies
[10:22] <GabrialDestruir_> It makes sense!
[10:22] <GabrialDestruir_> It's all a sham to increase sales!
[10:22] <piless> ShiftPlusOne is just a patsy
[10:23] <SStrife> so to answer your question kvarley... no, except the OK led
[10:23] <SStrife> oh hes gone
[10:23] <SStrife> :-/
[10:24] <piless> he was never here
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[10:24] <ShiftPlusOne> well I was right about the ok led
[10:24] <SStrife> :)
[10:24] <piless> SStrife: kvarley only existed in your mind
[10:24] <ShiftPlusOne> that's almost half of them if you round it wrong.
[10:24] <SStrife> heh
[10:25] <SStrife> the schematic doesnt even say where the status led is connected
[10:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, glad I have a big juicy back buffer to read up on :D it's like a soap
[10:25] <SStrife> it says STATUS_LED_N, but that's not labelled on any chip
[10:25] <piless> I can't stand soaps
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[10:26] <SStrife> oh yeah, there it is
[10:26] <SStrife> GPIO16 on the BCM2835
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that sounds right
[10:27] <SStrife> stupid chrome built-in PDF reader
[10:27] <GabrialDestruir_> Can triboot if this works
[10:27] <SStrife> it only found one instance of the word STATUS
[10:27] <GabrialDestruir_> Rasbian + Rasbmc + OpenELEC
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I am having trouble getting OpenELEC to boot witht it
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> *with
[10:27] <SStrife> hm, a multiboot would be nice
[10:28] <piless> why would you want two debian based distros?
[10:28] <piless> multi-boot = switching out multiple sd cards.
[10:28] <GabrialDestruir_> Because Rasbian isn't a Media based Distro but Raspbmc is. Raspbmc and OpenELEC because I'm still trying to decided which of the two I want.
[10:29] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, have you noticed you can just put some distros on USB and still use the loader?
[10:29] <SStrife> shit
[10:29] <GabrialDestruir_> Multiboot = One Card multiple distros.
[10:29] <SStrife> oops wrong channel!!
[10:29] <ShiftPlusOne> SStrife, pg13
[10:29] <GabrialDestruir_> idk yet.
[10:29] <piless> BAN HIM
[10:29] <SStrife> that was totally unintentional, sorry
[10:29] <GabrialDestruir_> Still getting the partitions straightened out.
[10:29] <SStrife> my wifi ap is full of ants!!
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[10:29] <chnopsx> kill them with fire
[10:30] <piless> no, you kill ants with boiling water
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[10:34] <dipstick> bleach!
[10:34] <piless> has anyone else here pre-ordered a modmypi case?
[10:35] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, if you're going to try to dualboot openelec, you'll need to put this in packages/linux/patches http://xecdesign.com/downloads/XECLoader/linux-3.1.10-602-RPi_kexec_support.patch
[10:36] <ShiftPlusOne> but again, I haven't had luck... the kernel boots, shows the splash, looks like it's doing something, goes black and then nothing
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[10:37] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh I'd have to compile my own OpenELEC version?
[10:37] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[10:37] <GabrialDestruir_> Guess OpenELEC can wait >.>
[10:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Well yeah, you're meant to do that anyway
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[10:38] <GabrialDestruir_> I've been hopping around on other peoples builds.
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[10:38] <ShiftPlusOne> you just clone the git tree, then run ARCH=arm PROJECT=RPi make -j5 and hours and hours later, you get the SYSTEM and kernel files
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[10:39] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[10:39] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea I know
[10:39] <GabrialDestruir_> I need to add more space to VM before I do that again -.-
[10:40] <ShiftPlusOne> when they update the rpi patches for openelec, they should include the kexec patch, so sooner or later the builds will be compatible
[10:41] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea I don't think Raspbmc's kernel will sport this. lol
[10:42] <ShiftPlusOne> k, I'll compile a compatible raspbmc kernel
[10:42] <GabrialDestruir_> Apparently the current kernel is from like 5/5
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[10:44] <ShiftPlusOne> can kernels be hardfloat/softfloat as well?
[10:45] <GabrialDestruir_> -goes on a lost+found slaughtering spree-
[10:45] <ShiftPlusOne> or is it just a userspace thing?
[10:45] <GabrialDestruir_> I have no clue xD
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[10:47] <SStrife> those little..........rrrrnnnnngh
[10:47] <SStrife> eggs and stuff
[10:47] <SStrife> inside was all sticky
[10:47] <piless> umm
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[10:48] <SStrife> all clean and working
[10:48] <SStrife> yay acetone
[10:49] <piless> acetone can reduce epileptic attacks if you huff it
[10:49] <GabrialDestruir_> After this FS is done copying I should be ready to test
[10:50] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah there we go ^_^
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[10:50] <ShiftPlusOne> keep in mind cmdline.txt parameters get added on to the parameters you put into Menu.sh
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[10:51] <tech2077> for raspbmc, does the image include xbmc, because i don't see it when i chroot into the filesystem
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[10:51] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmmm
[10:51] <GabrialDestruir_> my image isn't quite right. Didn't Boot.
[10:51] <piless> tech2077: they wouldn't be calling themselves raspbmc if they didn't
[10:51] <raynerd> Please can someone explain tasksel a little. I`m googling it now but still don`t really understand it. So one of the options is Debian desktop environment --> what exactly is that and are any of these useful on the pi?
[10:51] <tech2077> then something weirds going on
[10:52] <GabrialDestruir_> My money says that RPi doesn't like how I formatted boot.
[10:52] <ShiftPlusOne> fat16 with the boot flag?
[10:53] <GabrialDestruir_> Mhm.
[10:53] <piless> raynerd: http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#Sample_use
[10:53] <dipstick> it's funny, a non windows device using a windows partition... anyone find that odd?
[10:54] <piless> dipstick: fat16 isn't windows
[10:54] <dipstick> it's a MS product init?
[10:55] <plugwash> well fat16 was originall from dos but long filenames were introduced with windows 95
[10:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> Aha??? I'm back, having skimmed everything
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[10:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: XECLoader? :D
[10:55] <GabrialDestruir_> fat is a windows patent as far as I know, which is why any company using it supposedly has to pay Microsoft royalties
[10:56] <dipstick> there ya go
[10:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, yeah, a little initrd image and kernel I've been playing around with. Works for me.
[10:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> fat is fittingly named for windows :D
[10:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: shiny shiny!
[10:56] <dipstick> fat is windows indirectly
[10:56] <dipstick> Gadgetoid_Air: indeed
[10:57] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmm....
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[10:57] <GabrialDestruir_> I get a blank screen.
[10:57] <GabrialDestruir_> No text.
[10:57] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, latest firmware?
[10:57] <SStrife> Microsoft's active patents only cover long file names in FAT32
[10:57] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah
[10:57] <GabrialDestruir_> who knows
[10:57] <SStrife> or "vfat"
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[10:57] <GabrialDestruir_> Got a link where I can grab it?
[10:57] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[10:58] <SStrife> Finally, on 2006-01-10 the Patent Office ruled that features of Microsoft's implementation of the FAT system were "novel and non-obvious", reversing both earlier non-final decisions.
[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> you'll need start.elf, loader.bin and bootcode.bin
[10:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Looks like I'll be able to put my 250gb of juicy space to use with some dual boot
[10:58] <SStrife> fat16 is fine tho
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[10:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Gonna have to tweak things to make dual booting headless, though
[10:59] <SStrife> FAT is simple though, non-MS implementations are likely to be clean-room reverse engineer efforts
[11:00] <SStrife> and raspi uses it because it's simple
[11:00] <dipstick> y u no use ext2 as boot!
[11:00] <SStrife> probably because ext2 libraries are quite large
[11:01] <dipstick> =/
[11:01] <GabrialDestruir_> That doesn't seem to have helped....
[11:01] <SStrife> you can read FAT with a few lines of code, really
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, I've brought out the Menu.sh script onto /boot to make it easy to tweak, so you can put anything in there. I haven't enabled ethernet in the kernel though, so ssh isn't going to work yet if you need it. But that's an easy fix.
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> so yeah, making it headless isn't going to be an issue
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> you can even load the kernel from the network
[11:02] <GabrialDestruir_> didn't help cause I did it wrong... lmao -.-
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[11:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> @ShiftPlusOne I was thinking of changing menu.sh to just launch a single selection, and building a scripted front-end which would change that selection before rebooting
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[11:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, yeah, there's already a default that launches if you don't press anything after $countdown number of seconds (specified in the script), so you can easily do that.
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[11:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> @ShiftPlusOne looks like a hybrid would be the best way to go, I'll just add "source selected.conf" and make my script echo "choice=x" > /boot/selected.conf
[11:05] <GabrialDestruir_> This would be so much easier if I actually knew what I was doing xD
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, what's not working?
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[11:06] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, have you tried a regular kernel first, just to make sure everything else is ok?
[11:06] <GabrialDestruir_> I rather stupidly tried to use the source thinking it was a proper download? So now I'm gitting the source
[11:07] <gregj> PI still crashes with some keyboards, regardless of the power source. That crashes the 'not enough power' myth
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[11:08] <ShiftPlusOne> gregj, does it? 'cause the power source doesn't go straight to USB, the usb power is capped at something like 100mA, so you really need a decent powered hub.
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[11:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> I notice that by default it just starts the first one in the list, so I could probably replace the hard-coded 0 with my "choice" var, or even lazier $( cat /mnt/default.txt )
[11:08] <gregj> I'm plugging keyboard directly to the device
[11:08] <ShiftPlusOne> though it shouldn't crash... you should just be getting sticky keys
[11:08] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea
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[11:09] <gregj> so kernel is panicing
[11:09] <GabrialDestruir_> with another kernel it boots well
[11:09] <SStrife> i get that problem with any keyboard containing a hub
[11:09] <GabrialDestruir_> crashes
[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, yup
[11:09] <GabrialDestruir_> but the kernel boots
[11:09] <gregj> my keyboard doesn't have a hub
[11:09] <SStrife> not enough power getting thru the device
[11:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: obligatory question; will it boot from USB?
[11:09] <GabrialDestruir_> I went with USB wireless for mine xD
[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, and you're 100% sure you've got the latest firmware?
[11:09] <SStrife> powered hub downstream of Pi fixes the issue
[11:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, it should already, but I haven't tried.
[11:10] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm 100% sure I don't
[11:10] <gregj> I don't think the crash is due to power like I said
[11:10] <GabrialDestruir_> which is why I'm about to build it now
[11:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: I'll let you know :)
[11:10] <raynerd> OK, well I installed the desktop environment from tasksel and I`ve now booted and startx and I`ve got a background!! BUT, I can`t see anything else different at all!! Any thoughts?
[11:10] <gregj> even with powered hub - the kernel still crashes
[11:10] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, build? there's no building, the firmware is provided and closed.
[11:10] <gregj> suggests to me that the kernel has a bug
[11:10] <GabrialDestruir_> then idk what I'm grabbing -.-
[11:10] <GabrialDestruir_> bah
[11:10] <ShiftPlusOne> I sent you the link
[11:10] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[11:11] <gregj> question is, how do I grab that backtrace in some usable form
[11:11] <GabrialDestruir_> yea
[11:11] <GabrialDestruir_> okay
[11:11] <ShiftPlusOne> gregj, you'll need to compare to System.map
[11:11] <GabrialDestruir_> give me a second here.
[11:11] <gregj> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, but how do I grab it in the first place
[11:11] <gregj> ShiftPlusOne: I don't fancy rewriting it from a screen shot
[11:11] <ShiftPlusOne> gregj, depends on who you got the kernel from.
[11:12] <gregj> its the debian image
[11:12] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay yea I gitted that and got the firmware .-. xD
[11:12] <ShiftPlusOne> gregj, no idea, but it should be out there somewhere. Also, you might want to get serial working so you can copy/paste that sort of stuff
[11:13] <ShiftPlusOne> gregj, try this https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/extra
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[11:13] <gregj> can I get serial over usb ?
[11:13] <ShiftPlusOne> might not match your kernel though, I don't know what's in debian.
[11:13] <gregj> otherwise no idea how to connect PI to my mac via serial
[11:13] <ShiftPlusOne> gregj, yes, with the ftdi usb-uart adapter
[11:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> Arrrrr, if that plastic toy had been one stair higher I would literally have just died
[11:14] <GabrialDestruir_> Boots but I got my Menu.sh wrong xD
[11:14] <ShiftPlusOne> yay
[11:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, oh no...=(... then I'd have to test the USB thing myself =O
[11:17] <GabrialDestruir_> Was right aboust Raspbmc, doesn't look like it'll start. Unless it's suppose to take a long time at "Starting new kernel"
[11:18] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, that's a sign of an old kernel
[11:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I said i'd compile one for you, but as it turns out I can't be bothered right now =(
[11:18] <ShiftPlusOne> which is unfortunate because I'd like to try it out as well
[11:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> Children's' toys are considerably more effective than caltrops
[11:19] <SStrife> my cat does a good job
[11:19] <SStrife> or nearly killing me around stairs
[11:19] <SStrife> of*
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[11:21] <GabrialDestruir_> Where can I get new kernels from? Cause the one in the master branch isn't working either?
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I seem to be having trouble finding the raspbmc download link
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> the one in the master tree is fine
[11:22] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmmm
[11:22] <GabrialDestruir_> then idk what's going.
[11:22] <GabrialDestruir_> http://download.raspbmc.com/downloads/bin/ramdistribution/installer-testing.img.gz
[11:23] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... it's an installer, ey?
[11:23] <GabrialDestruir_> Yup
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[11:24] <chancellorsmith> morning all
[11:24] <GabrialDestruir_> Is there any particular reason you used .image instead of .img?
[11:24] <chancellorsmith> Any arch users around - I'd like to play around with Audio??? I have some speakers here - easy to setup drivers/software on Arch ?
[11:25] <chancellorsmith> in other news, just back from Holiday - and I missed my Pi - didn't fancy explaining it to customs at Luton
[11:25] <ShiftPlusOne> chancellorsmith, no idea, audio just worked, didn't have to do anything.
[11:26] <chancellorsmith> xclnt
[11:26] <chancellorsmith> I'll try playing a WAV file or something
[11:26] <chancellorsmith> will see what happens
[11:26] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, not really, just to distinguish between disk images and be a bit more discriptive
[11:26] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay I've either broken something and have no clue what or this is all broken .-.
[11:26] <chancellorsmith> would then like to send audio to it via SSH from another machine??? rather more challengin
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[11:27] <ShiftPlusOne> chancellorsmith, why not use pulseaudio then?
[11:27] <chancellorsmith> oh yeah - how do you play a MP3 or whatever from command line in Arch ? what package ?
[11:27] <GabrialDestruir_> I've taken kernel.img from the firmware I downloaded, put it in kernels/ and renamed appropriately....
[11:27] <chancellorsmith> All greek to me ? pulse audio - will google thanks !
[11:27] <GabrialDestruir_> Yet I'm getting stuck on Starting new kernel
[11:27] <ShiftPlusOne> chancellorsmith, pulse is very fiddly to get working over the network, but it works great once it's set up
[11:28] <chancellorsmith> what is it ?
[11:28] <GabrialDestruir_> To be specific "ifdown: socket: Function not implemented" "Starting new kernel"
[11:28] <chancellorsmith> some sort of audio streaming servery thingamajig by the looks
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[11:28] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, the function not found thing is normal and irrelevant, but yeah you have an old kernel
[11:29] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh
[11:29] <GabrialDestruir_> wait
[11:29] <GabrialDestruir_> duh
[11:30] <GabrialDestruir_> let me try something else...
[11:32] <raynerd> is there any way to install flash to watch youtube vid?
[11:32] <raynerd> or actually, any work around to watch youtube vids?
[11:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> Right, changed to: kexec -l "/mnt/kernels/${kernel[$( cat /mnt/default.txt )]}" --command-line="$( cat /proc/cmdline ) ${cmdline[$( cat /mnt/default.txt )]}"
[11:33] <GabrialDestruir_> Why /mnt/default.txt?
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[11:33] <GabrialDestruir_> nvm
[11:33] <gregj> raynerd: html
[11:33] <gregj> raynerd: html6
[11:33] <gregj> raynerd: html5
[11:33] <gregj> (3rd time lucky)
[11:34] <raynerd> gregj - sorry, noob, what does that mean?
[11:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir_: so I can specify the default kernel by doing "echo "1" > /mnt/default.txt"
[11:34] <plugwash> i'm not sure there is any good soloution for youtube right now, some browsers may support html5 video but I doubt they support the videocore acceleration (AIUI the acceleration doesn't work with X atm, correct me if i'm wrong) and without acceleration the video will be a slideshow
[11:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or default boot, even, as I'm dual booting between SD card and external
[11:34] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay
[11:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> Handy cos if I take my Pi on the go, I don't have my hard drive with me
[11:35] <gregj> raynerd: youtube.com/html5
[11:35] <chancellorsmith> simple software to play audio on Arch.. pacman -S what?
[11:35] <gregj> raynerd: if you're a noob, why do you use pi ?
[11:35] <GabrialDestruir_> I have no clue anymore, I've tried downloading from the website I've tried gitting
[11:35] <chancellorsmith> just want to hear my Pi speak for the 1st time !
[11:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> right, fingers crossed??? going for a headless reboot now
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[11:35] <raynerd> why, as a noob am I not allowed?
[11:35] <chancellorsmith> pulse audio failed to install
[11:35] <plugwash> I think some of the Pi builds of xbmc may be able to play youtube videos but it seems to me like a pretty painful soloution
[11:35] <gregj> raynerd: nope, you need to return it immiedately
[11:35] <gregj> ;>
[11:36] <gregj> raynerd: but in all seriousness, the first batch was meant to be for development purposes, etc
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[11:36] <raynerd> gregj - was just going to say, can`t remember seeing a test for noobiness before I purchased it!
[11:36] <gregj> ;]
[11:36] <raynerd> gregj - I`m not in the first batch. I got mine yesterday which was apparently the second batch
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[11:36] <gregj> I'm guessing you are stuck in the android world, and you dno't know what html5 is, or how bad flash is in general
[11:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Well, my external HDD light is flashing, so it's either booting or doing an rm -rf / :D
[11:37] <gregj> that's the first batch
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[11:37] <raynerd> really, cool.
[11:37] <gregj> well, initial batch - should I say
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[11:37] <raynerd> gregj - so what were the ones sent out over a month ago?
[11:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: successful boot from HDD is successful
[11:37] <raynerd> teh pre-first batch ?
[11:37] <gregj> html5 spec defines <video> tag
[11:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Now to echo "1" > /boot/default.txt and try SD
[11:37] <gregj> that allows browsers to open video streams natively
[11:38] <raynerd> ok
[11:38] <gregj> hence - no need for flash anymore
[11:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, awesome, thanks for testing =D
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[11:38] <gregj> flash is slow, cumbersome, and uses a lot of power to deliver something that most OSes can do natively
[11:38] <gregj> flash must die
[11:38] <GabrialDestruir_> If this doesn't work then I'm quitting .-.
[11:39] <gregj> cu
[11:39] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, where did you get the kernel you're using?
[11:39] <gregj> :P
[11:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: so the initial boot image is baked in with the kernel? getting SSH in that could actually be useful for emergency headless recovery
[11:39] <GabrialDestruir_> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/boot
[11:39] <GabrialDestruir_> was one
[11:39] <GabrialDestruir_> I tried right clicking save as from the original link
[11:39] <GabrialDestruir_> as another
[11:39] <raynerd> gregj - thanks for the info. but the browser must support html5 right?
[11:39] * gregj got himself usb hub for ??1
[11:39] <gregj> raynerd: safari, chrome, firefox do
[11:40] <raynerd> gregj - where from?
[11:40] <gregj> raynerd: dunno about others
[11:40] <gregj> poundworld of course
[11:40] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, that kernel probably hasn't been updated, check when it was last changed
[11:40] <raynerd> ok, I`m using midori
[11:40] <GabrialDestruir_> 4 days?
[11:40] <gregj> that's the default with pi
[11:40] <gregj> I haven't tried firefox or others yet
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[11:40] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, yeah, kexec support is newer than that.
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[11:41] <GabrialDestruir_> Actually from the looks of it, nothing in this repo is younger than 4 days....
[11:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, yeah, it's baked in. I'll get network support working next.
[11:41] <chancellorsmith> ooops - aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found...
[11:41] <chancellorsmith> Any tips ?
[11:41] <raynerd> gregj - is there a browser that is a simple download that will support html5 for the pi?
[11:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ee, I actually have to do "sudo echo "1" | sudo tee /boot/default.txt" but that's easy to bake into a script
[11:41] <GabrialDestruir_> So can you up a kernel that does work so I can work with it?
[11:41] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
[11:42] <gregj> raynerd: no idea
[11:42] <gregj> raynerd: try iceweasel
[11:42] <gregj> raynerd: but I'm not sure it will work
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, yeah, but using a kernel without the modules compiled at the same time as the kernel isn't always the best idea... should work though, so hang on
[11:43] <gregj> raynerd: you need to remember that pi is not meant to be relpacement for a desktop
[11:43] <gregj> raynerd: its more of a embedded/tinker device
[11:43] <gregj> happens to be powerful enough to run linux
[11:43] <raynerd> gregj - tinker device?
[11:43] <gregj> which is great
[11:43] <gregj> tinker -> someone who likes to tinker with stuff
[11:43] <GabrialDestruir_> I just want to see it work, tomorrow I'll figure out how to get whatever source I need and play with my own kernel I suppose.
[11:44] <gregj> raynerd: hack/play/mess about
[11:44] <raynerd> gregj - Arduino ?
[11:44] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, uploading now
[11:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Apparently...
[11:44] <gregj> raynerd: more opwerful arduino
[11:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Someone is already tired of the Raspberry Pi
[11:44] <gregj> raynerd: but allows uses like arduino
[11:45] <raynerd> :-p
[11:45] <gregj> imposibru
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[11:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ahhh crap, I just realised that booting from my SD card with a kernel that doesn't have its corresponding modules installed is a bad, bad idea
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[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, it's not THAT bad, since it's the same kernel version and that normally works fine.
[11:46] <raynerd> gregj - just a quick last one, then I`m off out, if the RaspPi isn`t for noobs, why is the target audience considered to be kids?
[11:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm not convinced it'll get far
[11:46] <GabrialDestruir_> Eh I'm all good on that front... I have all my images for the dualboot saved and nicely tucked away.
[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir_, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/ArchLinux.image
[11:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> Fortunately my Pi is actually only inches away, so recover I can
[11:47] <GabrialDestruir_> Do you also have off/onhand somewhere I can get kernel sourcey goodness to git and shit
[11:48] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux and mind the language
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[11:48] <gregj> raynerd: that is the end target for the release , but in the mean time people are still developing all the software and stuff
[11:49] <nanomad> does anyone have experience with cross-compiling stuff for the rpi?
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[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> nanomad, yes, what's up?
[11:49] <gregj> raynerd: so afaik the current release was targeted for more knowledgable users, people who want to tinker with it
[11:49] <nanomad> ShiftPlusOne: got any tutorials? or directions at least?
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> nanomad, yup, hang on.
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> nanomad, http://pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb
[11:49] <nanomad> thanks ShiftPlusOne
[11:50] <ShiftPlusOne> it hasn't been updated in a while, but should still be good
[11:50] <nanomad> awesome
[11:50] <nanomad> (I'm using raspbian but I can probably make it work)
[11:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wow, disturbing??? my USB hub provides enough backwash of power to light the LEDs connected to my GPIO pins
[11:50] <raynerd> gregj - hum
[11:50] <ShiftPlusOne> nanomad, or you can also download the 'dev vm' which is a virtualbox vm with all of that already set up
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, one of my hubs actually boots the pi up
[11:51] <chancellorsmith> hmmm - audio raspberry pi command line <--- googling that doesn't give me much joy
[11:51] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh
[11:51] <chancellorsmith> did someone say that audio on Arch works out of the box ?
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> I said it worked for me
[11:51] <chancellorsmith> ok - how did you do it ?
[11:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> @ShiftPlusOne sheesh!
[11:52] <chancellorsmith> on the command line ?
[11:52] <ShiftPlusOne> chancellorsmith, try with moc (pacman -S moc)
[11:52] <GabrialDestruir_> that is a thing of beauty
[11:53] <ShiftPlusOne> what's a thing of beauty?
[11:53] <chancellorsmith> moc installing???..ta
[11:53] <chancellorsmith> hmmm ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'
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[11:53] <nanomad> ShiftPlusOne: ty
[11:53] <chancellorsmith> that was via speaker-test
[11:54] <ShiftPlusOne> nanomad, no worries, good luck with it.
[11:54] <nanomad> yeah
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[11:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wow, the glut of USB devices I had connected didn't play nice with boot :D
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[11:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> Had to connect my keyboard to select at boot menu, then quickly unplug my hub :D haha, silly Pi is silly
[11:55] <chancellorsmith> actually i read ALSA not working - i have pacman -R alsa-things
[11:56] <chancellorsmith> but what to use instead ?
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[11:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> Right, let's try this again with /lib/modules/3.2.18-rpi1+/ in its rightful place
[11:56] <chancellorsmith> grrrr,,,, FATAL_ERROR: No valid sound driver!
[11:56] <chancellorsmith> fatal i say - fatal!
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[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, I have a line in there which disables printk messages which should've helped a bit. Try adding 'quiet' to cmdline.txt
[11:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: going to have to hack on Menu.sh a little more, as it currently lies about the default boot :D
[11:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> @ShiftPlusOne your image boots fine, but the proper boot then chokes on the USB nonsense
[11:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yup successfully booted into SD :D yay
[11:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> All good
[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> great
[11:58] <nanomad> ShiftPlusOne: quick question, the prebuilt toolchain does support hardfp right?
[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> nanomad, the one from github or the codesourcery one?
[11:58] <nanomad> codesurcery
[11:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I believe it does, but not by default.. I am not sure to be honest.
[11:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I am new to this whole hardfloat/softfloat thing.
[11:59] <nanomad> ShiftPlusOne: how about the github one? If you know that is
[11:59] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that one is hardfp
[11:59] <nanomad> ShiftPlusOne: link? (sorry to bother you)
[11:59] <ShiftPlusOne> are you running 64bit linux?
[11:59] <nanomad> yes I am
[12:00] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/tree/master/arm-bcm2708/x86-linux64-cross-arm-linux-hardfp
[12:00] <nanomad> oh lol, of course that one
[12:00] * nanomad feels stupid
[12:00] <ShiftPlusOne> that's the one I am using
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[12:01] <GabrialDestruir> Good news, it worked.
[12:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: all working a treat as far as I can tell, awesome job thanks
[12:01] <GabrialDestruir> On both Raspbmc and Raspbian... sort of...
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[12:01] <GabrialDestruir> It worked better on raspbian than it did Raspbmc
[12:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, glad it works, thanks again for the testing
[12:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'll have to look into partitioning my drive and adding raspbian
[12:02] <GabrialDestruir> I'm going to bed, tomorrow I'll work on getting Raspmc and OpenELEC both working.
[12:03] <GabrialDestruir> Actually that's a lie... I'm going to read, in bed, the rest is true.
[12:03] <GabrialDestruir> Night all.
[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night, thanks for the help
[12:03] <GabrialDestruir> Np
[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> If you need to customize it more, I used buildroot and added an rc script to mount the partition and run Menu.sh. Buildroot is really touchy, so you'll want to stick to defaults wherever possible.
[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, ^
[12:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: I might explode things if I delve that deep, but it could be worth a prod, thanks
[12:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> Now for 'ssh rpi -X && sudo gparted" 'cos I'm lazy
[12:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> Darn!
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> not quite
[12:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> root no display forward, still lazy, bring up vnc :D
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[12:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> Then I remember my xvfb/vnc stuff was done on my other partition, and throw everything out of the window in a blind rage
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[12:09] <chancellorsmith> if anyone cares to comment on my audio woes http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=6673 <- maybe it just isn't ready for prime time yet???.
[12:09] <ShiftPlusOne> no luck with xvfb?
[12:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> chancellorsmith: you don't say? :D
[12:10] <nanomad> Good scratchbox2 doesn't like my gcc
[12:10] <nanomad> man I used to hate that thing when using maemo, things never change...
[12:10] <ShiftPlusOne> nanomad, I am using scratchbox2 with the gcc I linked to, so it shouldn't complain. What's the error?
[12:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: I was being dense and trying to fire up a display on the display already reserved for x forwarding :)
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[12:11] <nanomad> wait, I think I got this
[12:11] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
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[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... takes 140m to build openelec with ccache =(
[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> (along with a few kernel builds, but still)
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[12:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> I really should learn to resize partitions on the command line, but meeeh
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> seems too fiddly
[12:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> Running xvfb and vnc just to run gparted??? GUIs are just bloat-on-a-stick
[12:18] <piless> couldn't you script it and get it to prompt you for the values?
[12:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> Someone's probably already done that, I suspect :D
[12:19] <simonlc> are yuou just trying to use all the space on the card?
[12:19] <ShiftPlusOne> looks simple enough http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/ext4grow.html
[12:20] <simonlc> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Manually_resizing_the_SD_card_on_Raspberry_Pi
[12:20] <nanomad> ShiftPlusOne: http://pastebin.com/wHfeFMcS
[12:20] <nanomad> that's the error
[12:20] <nid0> it is simple, takes 2 minutes with fdisk
[12:21] <ShiftPlusOne> nanomad, when does that happen?
[12:21] <nanomad> make install of scratchbox2
[12:21] <nanomad> i.e. the first real step of the script :o
[12:21] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, so it's your regular host gcc that it doesn't like?
[12:22] <nanomad> yes
[12:22] <nanomad> :(
[12:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, no idea then
[12:22] <nanomad> ShiftPlusOne: what gcc are you using?
[12:22] <nanomad> maybe he likes 4.6 better uhmm
[12:22] <ShiftPlusOne> gcc-4.5.3-r2
[12:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm resizing my ~250gb partition down to ~100gb, adding a ~60gb partition for possibly Raspbian and leaving 69gb empty for future experimentation
[12:22] <ShiftPlusOne> the default one in gentoo right now
[12:23] <nanomad> I'm on 4.7, I'll try a downgrade to 4.5
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[12:28] <nanomad> ShiftPlusOne: got it, he wanted the multilib gcc version
[12:28] <nanomad> :o
[12:28] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[12:28] <simonlc> does vim scroll lines slowly for everyone else?
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[12:29] <SpeedEvil> It's not accellerated
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[12:30] <des2> We used 'ed' and we liked it....
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> simonlc, what's the environment - ssh'd in, local console, xwindow/term ?
[12:30] <simonlc> if I ssh it's normal, but in x it's very slow
[12:31] <simonlc> I think it's a tiny bit faster in console but I didn't really compare
[12:31] <mjr> well yeah, X isn't accelerated so it's gonna be slow
[12:31] <nanomad> use nano for now
[12:31] * nanomad likes nano
[12:32] <simonlc> idk how to use nano lol
[12:32] <nanomad> simonlc: read the bottom bar :P
[12:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, think I might try Fedora
[12:32] <simonlc> yeah, is it just a notepad style editor?
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> make the xterm smaller... however...
[12:32] <simonlc> hmm, I do have it fullscreen
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> what's fullscreen - 1080p ?
[12:34] <simonlc> pretty much yeah
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> that's a lot of RAM to move for every scroll.
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> let me have a quick play - I only have 1280x1024 though.
[12:34] <simonlc> 240x75 char
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[12:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> looong file system shrink is looong
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[12:41] <gordonDrogon> Hm. not finding vi too bad on the console - it's hardly slower than on my desktop here.
[12:41] <simonlc> seems to be maxing out the cpu actually gordonDrogon
[12:41] <chaoshax> What's the highest a pi has been?
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> Wonder if there's something else going on...
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> vi does occasionally seem to do an fsync on the backup file which casues a brief blip - noticable if auto-repeating an arrow key up/down.
[12:42] <simonlc> and it's X using up the cpu
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> or are you running a huge set of macros for syntax highlighting, etc. ? (I have all that nonsense turned off)
[12:42] <simonlc> so I guess it is the unaccelerated stuff?
[12:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> I had trouble with VIM due to a custom config that scanned the filesystem for git status every time you moved the cursor
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> yes, x.
[12:42] <simonlc> no, it's just as slow with default settings
[12:42] <chaoshax> nano is the bees knees.
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> try a different terminal - I use bog-standard xterms ...
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[12:43] <simonlc> this was urxvt with just colors and terminus
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> I use nano for quick fixes when I don't have vim though, but that's quite rare - except in email when I still use (al)pine which has it's pico editor (which nano is a clone of)
[12:44] <simonlc> I'll try xterm and st
[12:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> nano is great for people with ten fingers on each hand :D
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> I never have colours enabled, but I doubt that would slow things down.
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[12:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> sheesh, 12 minutes of resize2fs??? I should have done this via my netbook :D
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[12:45] <chaoshax> Umm, do you think the pi could cope with easycap?
[12:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> If a yum update on the Pi fetches a new kernel, and there's nobody to hear it, does it make a sound?
[12:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I know arch updates the kernel without much of a sound, so I have kernel.img backed up as xecloader.img so that I can put it back if things go wrong
[12:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: I'd feared as much
[12:48] <ShiftPlusOne> is there a way to make it read only?
[12:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah, don't mount /boot
[12:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's got nothing of any consequence to a running system on it, has it?
[12:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or mount a fake /boot for kernel updates to drop into, and copy them manually into your real boot/kernels?
[12:49] <ShiftPlusOne> perhaps
[12:49] <chaoshax> Anyone tried using video capture devices?
[12:49] <chaoshax> Do you think it would struggle?
[12:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> I doubt the system cares about the particulars of /boot, just that it exists, so I'd add a script that unmounts it at startup, remounts to /mnt/boot and mount /mnt/boot/kernels/fedora to /boot
[12:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> Then adjust the startup script accordingyl
[12:51] <shirro> how common is it to have lost usb packets - missing keystrokes/key repeat? I get it come and go with different keyboards, different power supplies, hub or direct. I don't see a huge number of complaints so I am wondering if perhaps my hardware has an issue.
[12:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> Unless you can symlink from /mnt/boot to new fakeboot
[12:53] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, same issues here. however using a different hub helps. do you have a proper hub or a no-name?
[12:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> I feel sorry for my Pi, resize2fs is absolutely thrashing it, with gparted, x11vnc and xvfb all having a whale of a time, too
[12:55] <shirro> ShiftPlusOne: The only powered hub I have tried is a DSE one. But it happens with 3 different keyboards with and without the hub. And it comes and goes so I can't work out what is happening. I wi'l change something and think I have fixed it and then it comes back. If everyone was getting it I would have thought there would be a lot more complaints on the forum
[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, yeah. Are you running the latest firmware and kernel?
[12:56] <shirro> Yes. Happens with latest pre-compiled kernels and ones I compile myself.
[12:56] <SStrife> argh, my cat is so stupid, she has food, but comes and complains as if there were none, so you go to her bowl, do nothing, and she continues eating
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[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> I still think it's a bad hub
[12:57] <FrankBuss> shirro: I have this problem with my keyboard, too (no hub). I guess it is not a power supply problem (1.2 A) and the keyboard works without problems on my PC. the problem exist with the original Debian image, as well as with the latest kernel from bootc
[12:57] <shirro> I wonder if it will happen with my second pi when it arrives.
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[12:57] <ShiftPlusOne> FrankBuss, the power supply doesn't matter, but it can still be a power problem. As I've said earlier, pi caps the current available to USB
[12:58] <shirro> I have to turn key repeat off in X or work via ssh when it gets bad
[12:58] <FrankBuss> to what level? I don't expect my keyboard to draw many amps :-)
[12:59] <ShiftPlusOne> around 100mA, many 120ish, I don't remember
[12:59] <chaoshax> How much do you think my RS key will get on the bay?
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[12:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> SStrife: cat /dev/null
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, a lot of bad karma..
[12:59] <FrankBuss> ok, thanks, 100 mA is not much, I'll try a hub next week
[13:00] <SStrife> Gadgetoid_Air: haha
[13:00] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, Maybe but I have no cash, I need money for a project!
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, someone had a Buy in now for ?30...
[13:00] <chaoshax> Bleh.
[13:01] <chaoshax> Might be tempting.
[13:01] <chaoshax> Then I will get destroyed on seller fees
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> you'd be better off buying the pi, then selling that, but I suspect in the 3 weeks time it'll take for it to come the going rate will be about ?50...
[13:02] <simonlc> well xterm is definitely faster, but fullscreen it's still very slow gordonDrogon
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> or if your that desperate for cash, go stack shelves at tescos..
[13:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> chaoshax: makes more sense to buy the Pi and sell it, isn't the key tied to your email address?
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> simonlc, lets hope the X folks can get the 2D stuff going then...
[13:03] <chaoshax> I think so. I might just find someone who wants one.
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[13:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha, most people want several
[13:03] <chaoshax> I am going to a meetup next weekend so will see if anyone wants one.
[13:03] <chaoshax> Maybe a competition :D
[13:03] <simonlc> yea, all the load is going on the cpu, jumps to 80-100% when I scroll
[13:03] <shirro> Does anyone NOT get random key repeats and lost key presses?
[13:04] <SStrife> shirro: I thought i did a few times
[13:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> If you've got something to promote, go for it!
[13:04] <SStrife> but it turned out something was just resting on the keyboard :-/
[13:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> Chance of Pi draw many nerds
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> I wonder what I've forgotten to put in my kernel config to make keyboard & mouse work under X )-:
[13:05] <SStrife> they keyboard i'm using has a really short travel
[13:05] <SStrife> so it didn't occur to me what was going on, at first
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> keyboard works fin in console, but when I start X, no keyboard or mouse )-:
[13:05] <shirro> gordonDrogon: depmod -a and reboot
[13:05] <chaoshax> It's a nerd gathering anyway.
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> shirro, no modules.
[13:05] <shirro> gordonDrogon: you put a new kernel on there?
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> shirro, yes. bootc's one...
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[13:06] <shirro> when I do that it can't find evdev - so I need to fix that.
[13:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'll buy your code right now, in exchange for a sense of selfless community gratification ;D
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[13:06] <gordonDrogon> ah, evdev - I remember disableing that, maybe that's it...
[13:06] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, yeah, that's 100% your problem
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[13:07] <shirro> what is the difference with bootc kernel - is it just gpio stuff at the moment?
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> that's what I was mainly after.
[13:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm getting on fine with bootc's, but I may not know what I'm missing
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> howver my kernel is also about 1MB smaller than the stock one - as I've ripped it back to the bare minimum I want.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> seems to have different issues with my SD card though!
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> can't win em all.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> if I wasn't going out today I'd have a look at the code.
[13:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> Woo, resize finally finished
[13:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> Now to figure out how to get the fedora remix root filesystem onto my new partition without blowing everything up
[13:11] <chancellorsmith> I ssh into my debian image from my mac and I can't get history with up arrow i get characters like this ^[[A^[[A^[[B ???. what gives ?
[13:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> chancellorsmith: echo $TERM out of interest
[13:12] <shirro> Arey you using Terminal or iTerm?
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> sounds like it's in line mode rather than character mode, but I thought ssh sorted all that nonsense...
[13:12] <chancellorsmith> Gadgetoid_Air: on mac or on pi ?
[13:12] <ShiftPlusOne> you have to ask!? O_O
[13:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> When SSH'd into the Pi
[13:12] <arfonzo> chancellorsmith: regarding your earlier question on arch sound: MODULES=(snd-bcm2835)
[13:12] <arfonzo> (rc.conf)
[13:12] <shirro> echo $TERM when you are sshed to the Pi
[13:12] <chancellorsmith> arfonzo: thanks - gone for debian for a bit
[13:13] <ShiftPlusOne> oh right that was the answer to echo term... I thought that was for terminal or iterm
[13:13] <chancellorsmith> xterm-256color
[13:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> Peculiar, I've been SSHing into my Pi running Debian from 10.7 for days and have only seen those characters during my weird vim escapades
[13:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Tried iTerm2, chancellorsmith?
[13:14] <shirro> chancellorsmith: and Apple Terminal or iTerm?
[13:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Apple's built-in terminal has a history of being a bit??? err??? how you say in PG terms??? shoddy
[13:14] <chancellorsmith> apple terminal
[13:15] <chancellorsmith> never got into the whole item thing
[13:15] <chancellorsmith> haha
[13:15] <chancellorsmith> is item free - might try iy
[13:15] <chancellorsmith> iy = it
[13:15] <shirro> I get arrows working properly with iterm and terminal with the same TERM setting. will check my preferences
[13:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> http://www.iterm2.com/#/section/home
[13:15] <chancellorsmith> ta - am grabbing??? lets see
[13:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> likewise shirro, terminal varies with OS version though, afaik the one in Lion is somewhat improved
[13:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> a.k.a v2.2.1
[13:17] <chancellorsmith> ba??? $ ^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[B
[13:17] <chancellorsmith> that's in iterm
[13:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> The strangeness, it burns!
[13:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> That drove me nuts in vnc for a few days, before I realised it was a performance thing caused by vim constantly polling git status
[13:18] <simonlc> the goggles, they do nathing!
[13:18] <chancellorsmith> i like the white on black default in item btw
[13:18] <chancellorsmith> is clear
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[13:19] <shirro> chancellorsmith: you are logging into a bash shell?
[13:19] <chancellorsmith> errrrr
[13:20] <shirro> echo $SHELL
[13:20] <chancellorsmith> '/bin/sh
[13:20] <shirro> change your login shell with chsh
[13:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm using Solarized colour scheme in my terminal at the moment, and in IRC, it's disturbingly low contrast but grows on you
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[13:21] <chancellorsmith> Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default
[13:21] <shirro> your login shell is probably dash which isn't meant for interactive use
[13:21] <chancellorsmith> defaukt is what i have
[13:21] <chancellorsmith> how do i specify bash
[13:21] <simonlc> I used to use it, now I pretty much use white on black
[13:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized#features solarized is actually intentionally low contrast
[13:21] <shirro> /bin/bash - I hope you have bash installed
[13:22] <shirro> should have asked distro
[13:22] <simonlc> I just wish he would make that monochrome foreground and background already
[13:22] <shirro> which bash
[13:24] <shirro> so which bash will give you path to bash. and cat /etc/shells will tell you legal login shells on your system
[13:25] <chancellorsmith> thanks.. now /bin/bash
[13:25] <chancellorsmith> it's debian...
[13:26] <chancellorsmith> have arch on another card and xbmc thing on another??? love messing about, so easy !
[13:26] <shirro> now you have command completion :-)
[13:26] <chancellorsmith> swap the cards around and away you go!
[13:26] <simonlc> Gadgetoid_Air: http://simon.lc/images/Screenshot-2011-08-10_21.04.34.jpg
[13:26] <chancellorsmith> shirro: yip ta ! :-)
[13:26] <simonlc> I made a site using the colors
[13:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> simonlc: :D Advance Wars :D
[13:27] <shirro> zsh is also really nice. one which has potential for the education market might be fish - it does some nice completion out of the box but is probably too weird for bash/zsh users
[13:28] <ironzorg> your irssi theme is terrible
[13:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> zsh needs some amount of configuration, a "sane zsh defaults for Pi" file would be nice :D
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> ok - working X, etc. opened an xterm, full-screen (as full as it would go) and edit a big file...
[13:28] <ironzorg> or it's your .Xdefaults idk
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> and it's OK.
[13:28] <shirro> ohmyzsh
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> quite fast as responsive.
[13:28] <simonlc> does your cpu not spike?
[13:29] <simonlc> when scrolling the page
[13:29] <shirro> git status in your zsh prompt on a sluggish arm with sd is not a good idea
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> actually very responsive - I've just done a cat of all my *.h *.c files in RTB to get a file of about 23K lines and it's quite snappy.
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> however that's only 1280x1024.
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> no apparent spikes.
[13:30] <simonlc> this is my irssi now: http://i.imgur.com/Okzvs.png
[13:30] <simonlc> hmm, can you try vim?
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> vim is what I'm usibf.
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> using.
[13:30] <simonlc> oh
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> running under xfce4 too.
[13:31] <simonlc> well xterm worked really well at a small size, but urxvt was just as slow as fullscreen
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> under raspbian.
[13:32] <simonlc> fullscreen xterm is faster, but still it feels too sluggish
[13:32] <simonlc> yeah raspbian probably helps a lot
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> I'm installing rxvt to see...
[13:33] <chaoshax> Jesus someone down my street has a 20 ft flag pole.
[13:33] <chaoshax> It's huge
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> not sure raspbian will make a difference here - I can't imagine there's much floating pint...
[13:33] <shirro> things that help: raspbian, overclock, PREEMPT, CONFIG_SCHED_AUTOGROUP, a light window manager like jwm. Yet to find a terminal I really like. Open to suggestions. Not rxvt
[13:34] <shirro> raspbian may make some things slower
[13:34] <simonlc> you don't think raspbian runs x faster?
[13:34] <plugwash> hmm, is that just because it's newer versions of software or do you have another reason for thinking that?
[13:34] <shirro> wheezy has more security options compiled into libc I think. Some might make things a little slower.
[13:35] <shirro> I am just saying without careful benchmarking it isn't totally clear raspbian is faster on everything (outside of FP heavy stuff which is a given)
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> rxvt is marginall slower, but if can keep up with auto-repeat on (e.g. Ctrl-F)
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> shirro, and I've just had an annoying auto-repeat issue!
[13:37] <shirro> xset -r :-(
[13:37] <mjr> I'd be surprised if raspbian was faster on "everything", though it's a bit surprising if it's actually slower on something
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> shirro, and the 'r' key on my keyboard seemed 'sticky' however I'm, not sure if it's not because it's a very (very!) cheap keyboard - ?4.95 jobbie from tescos...
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[13:37] <shirro> it was slower on some openssl speed tests I ran
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> my mandelbrot test goes from 20 secons on debian, 19 on debian with -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s and 16 under raspbian.
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> however that's a mandelbrot written in basic, so there's a lot of non-FP stuff going on between each "proper" FP operation.
[13:38] <shirro> The thing with ssl is you want it to be correct and secure first and fast second. So if it is slower on a leter version of openssl I am not going to panic
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> shirro, yea, make it work; make it work faster..
[13:39] <mjr> so those were different openssl versions?
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[13:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> premature optimisation, etc
[13:39] <mjr> you should check same version
[13:39] <Holden> gordonDrogon, I get 10x speedup on mandelbrot in C
[13:39] <shirro> mjr: yes, so you can't directly compare
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> Holden, that's not surprising.
[13:40] <Holden> (using raspbian)
[13:40] <mjr> it might be that later openssl versions have fixed some timing attack that makes it slower
[13:40] <mjr> (that's a real thing)
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> Holden, my basic interpreter does more non-FP stuff thant FP stuff...
[13:41] <Holden> gordonDrogon, that's why then
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> and it's not a particularly clever mandelbrot either.
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[13:41] <mjr> There have been instances where you could attack an ssl implementation based on how much time it takes to do the calculations. So the implementations must take care to be equally slow for any key material.
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> curiously some things don't seem that much faster - e.g. an ackermann test - only speeds up by 1 second from 7 seconds to 6 ish...
[13:41] <shirro> gordonDrogon: are you running PREEMPT and/or CONFIG_SCHED_AUTOGROUP. Is anyone and how do they feel about them. I am pretty happy and not sure if it is some placebo thing
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> however no actual calculations there other than a subtract..
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> shirro, yes, PREEMP and AUTOGROUP, and low-latency desktop.
[13:42] <shirro> Is it just me. Or is it SO much better?
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> shirro, it's opetions i've always set on my desktops.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> shirro, Not had much X time on it yet (ie. only the past half hour), but xfce4 does seems a little snappier...
[13:43] <shirro> Me too. But the Pi was noticeably non-responsive with the stock kernel and when I recompiled it it felt a lot better
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> shirro, I have a 2nd Pi on std. debian next to it, so I might give some side by side tests later.
[13:43] <shirro> I need two side by side
[13:44] <shirro> it is the only way to test it properly
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> not today though -waiting for wifey to come back from church so we can go to cornwall for the day...
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[13:44] <shirro> nice. how far is that?
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> I'm stuck with only one monitor that can do DVI input though.
[13:44] <shirro> it is next to devon?
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> shirro, Cornwall is 30 minutes away, but we're going to the Eden Project - about an hour.
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> shirro, yes, Cornwall at the end of Engurland, Devon next, then Somerset, Dorset ... etc.
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> although the Cornish often think of themseles as a separate country ...
[13:46] <shirro> the cornish played a significant role in the early days of my state as miners. We love our cornish pasties
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> yea, invented in Devon though :)
[13:46] <Holden> btw, has anyone tried to use a MAX232 to convert 3.3v uart to rs232? Datasheet says that Vilmax=0.8V and Vihmin=2.0V, so I think it should work... I don't have a max3232 at the moment
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> just like cream teas - also invented in Devon :)
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> Holden, I think I used one about 10 years ago on a project I did then on a PIC, but I don't have any notes on it.
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[13:48] <Holden> gordonDrogon, I see... I wanted to avoid to use an additional transistor to convert 3.3v <-> 5V
[13:48] <Gadgetoid_Pi> Mmm, redundant :D
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> Holden, I don't recall using anything else (other than 2 caps)
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[13:49] <Holden> it actually needs 4 caps :)
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> memory fading ... I recall not being happy with that particular job...
[13:49] <Holden> lol
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> right. I need to go ... laters!
[13:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Holden, why not just use a ready ftdi 3.3v uart-usb cable?
[13:51] <shirro> A few people (Hexxeh, teh_orph?) use these http://www.amazon.co.uk/TRIXES-USB-Serial-Converter-CP2102/dp/B004ROOPK6
[13:51] <Holden> ShiftPlusOne, it's sunday, I think they cost about $20 and plus I'm sure I can hack something together just for a one-time test
[13:51] <ShiftPlusOne> shirro, yeah, that's essentially the same sort of thing I was talking about. Works just fine.
[13:52] <Holden> shirro, oh but they are usb... I need standard rs232
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[13:58] <Gadgetoid_Pi> Hmm, I think I need a better version of Solarized for irssi :D
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[14:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oh dear, I need to use offset in my mount loop to get at the contents of fedora :D
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[14:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> No worky :( mount f17arm-latest-arm-rpi-mmcblk0.img /mnt/f17arm/ -o loop,offset=33792 -t ext4
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[14:08] <chaoshax> Can you use a camera as an sd card reader?
[14:09] <chaoshax> Lets try it :D
[14:11] <IT_Sean> depends largely on the camera,.
[14:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha, found an easymode!
[14:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> sudo modprobe -r loop && sudo modprobe loop max_part=63 && sudo losetup /dev/loop0 f17arm-latest-arm-rpi-mmcblk0.img && sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/loop0p2 /mnt/f17arm/
[14:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> Now for a lovely rsync
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[14:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Should probably set up a script to do /boot gymnastics too, to avoid Fedora's update trashing my kernel
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[14:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> Anyone know what might happen if I removed /boot from fstab?
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[14:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> Interesting that fedora mounts using the label, and Debian specifies the device
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[14:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or, not really that interesting as the case may be
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[14:22] <PhonRaspPi> lo all
[14:22] <ReggieUK> hi all
[14:23] <PhonRaspPi> someone here works at a currys thats closing down xD
[14:23] <ReggieUK> do they?
[14:23] <PhonRaspPi> yup
[14:23] <ReggieUK> who?
[14:23] <PhonRaspPi> well, i'm not sure if theyre in the IRC channel or not xD
[14:23] <PhonRaspPi> I just know they ordered a Pi
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[14:24] <ReggieUK> you'll have to explain the significance
[14:24] <PhonRaspPi> this is of no significance
[14:24] <ReggieUK> redundant people are ordering pi, so thats a good thing?
[14:24] <ReggieUK> ahh
[14:24] <ReggieUK> ok
[14:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> Order all the Pi!
[14:24] <PhonRaspPi> its purely the amusement that i met a fellow Pi enthusiast out in the wild
[14:24] <chaoshax> Where?
[14:24] <PhonRaspPi> at a currys thats closing down
[14:25] <PhonRaspPi> in bristol
[14:25] <chaoshax> Oh cool, usually I find these stores just employ monkeys
[14:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonRaspPi: awesome! I know a guy locally who's a fellow Pi enthusiast, but I haven't seen him in a bajillion years
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[14:25] <ReggieUK> perhaps he should've dedicated more time to better customer service and not ordering pi?
[14:25] <PhonRaspPi> lol
[14:25] <PhonRaspPi> i went in and bought 4x 8GB SD cards
[14:25] <Pi_iglet> I took my pi in to work on Friday - it was like show-and-tell at a primary school. It got hard to do any work with people wanting to see it!
[14:25] <PhonRaspPi> lol
[14:25] <ReggieUK> how much PhonRaspPi?
[14:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonRaspPi: ooouuch, from the high-street?
[14:26] <PhonRaspPi> ?10 per pack of two
[14:26] <Tachyon`> 8s are dead cheap now
[14:26] <chaoshax> Might take it to college but the IT guys will have a fit if I connect it to the lan
[14:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oh, that's not too bad
[14:26] <PhonRaspPi> so i bought 2 packs
[14:26] <Tachyon`> so don't tell them
[14:26] <ReggieUK> that's not bad at all
[14:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> I paid ??10 a piece, more or less, for my 16GBs
[14:26] <Pi_iglet> My 16GB Sandisks were under a fiver each delivered from PLAY
[14:26] <PhonRaspPi> so pretty much in line
[14:26] * ReggieUK is sticking with 1/2/4gb cards he already owns until he's tested them
[14:27] <PhonRaspPi> these are PNY cards that i bought
[14:27] <Tachyon`> aye, I have a spare 16 somewhere, does the pi support write protect?
[14:27] <PhonRaspPi> and i have a 16GB Integral thats fine
[14:27] <Pi_iglet> no support wor write-protect
[14:27] <Pi_iglet> for*
[14:27] <Tachyon`> ah, good
[14:27] <Tachyon`> lost the tab on that card
[14:27] <ReggieUK> Pi_iglet, really?
[14:27] <ReggieUK> ;/
[14:27] <ReggieUK> :/ even
[14:27] <Tachyon`> kingston cards, usual problem
[14:27] <Tachyon`> namely the casing starts coming apart
[14:27] <Pi_iglet> Think so - can't see anything on the mechanism for it
[14:28] <Tachyon`> I've had 3 of their 16s and the same has happened on every one
[14:28] <Tachyon`> after a few dozen insert/remove cycles they just crack up and sepearte
[14:28] <Pi_iglet> However turning it over now to check might lose me power and drop me from IRC!
[14:28] <PhonRaspPi> hmm
[14:28] <PhonRaspPi> i can't remember how to add a user to a group
[14:28] <ReggieUK> google is your friend
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[14:29] <Pi_iglet> useradd or usermod :P
[14:29] <ReggieUK> https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=linux+add+user+to+group&meta=&aq=f&oq=
[14:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> Now copying the Fedora kernel into my /boot/kernels and prepping dual boot settings :D whee
[14:29] <PhonRaspPi> im using my pi right now, so web browsing is a bit painful
[14:29] <haltdef> the kernel's identical between distros, isn't it?
[14:29] <ReggieUK> My pi is over 10miles away
[14:29] <ReggieUK> :(
[14:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> haltdef: probably, but I'm not taking any chances
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[14:34] <PhonRaspPi> ReggieUK, thats not far, go get it?
[14:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'll boot fedora with the supplied kernel first, and see how it goes from there
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> My pi is over 40cm away
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[14:35] <PhonRaspPi> my pi is 10cm away
[14:35] <PhonRaspPi> im using it right this second
[14:35] <PhonRaspPi> trying to get quake 3 to run
[14:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> Almost time to reboot into Fedora, whee
[14:36] <PhonRaspPi> you know the fedora image barely works right?
[14:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonRaspPi: that's why I'm dual-booting it
[14:36] <ReggieUK> don't have transport to get to it
[14:36] <PhonRaspPi> ReggieUK, walk?
[14:36] <PhonRaspPi> it'd only take you 2 hours each way :P
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[14:37] <PhonRaspPi> anyone got the link to hexxehs build of quake 3?
[14:37] <ReggieUK> I'll wait thanks
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[14:38] <PhonRaspPi> hmm, isn't there usually a fbdev group?
[14:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> Whoops, I trashed my Menu.sh :D
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[14:41] <PhonRaspPi> okay, don't try to use fbdev while X is running xD
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[14:44] <PhonRaspPi> is there a package for oxm?
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[14:46] <hughJorgan1986> yello
[14:46] <PhonRaspPi> purple
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[14:47] <SpeedEvil> Has anyone (on Pi or not) done DA reception on linux?
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> DAB
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[14:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, SD card woes have returned
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[14:56] <Likes_Nutella> HughJorgan1986: I think most of the poor IO performance is due to my cheap memory stick
[14:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, Pi no want boot!
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[14:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, Pi no want boot from expernal hard drive
[14:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> external, even??? I think my resize operation may have monged something
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[14:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, no, my hard drive controller was having one of its "moments"
[15:01] <hughJorgan1986_> oh hello
[15:01] <hughJorgan1986_> I just found that you actually have better performance than I do with my T500
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[15:01] <hughJorgan1986_> so I guess it's due to the usb stick
[15:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Boot from a hard disk for great IO success
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[15:02] <nid0> pretty much anything gets better io than to an sd in the pi
[15:03] <popey> hmm, need a powered USB HDD caddy
[15:03] <nid0> i've got a volume mounted on a big-ass slow disk in my nas via iscsi over wifi, and that has better io performance from the pi than its sd card
[15:03] <popey> all mine are powered from USB, and I guess there's not enough current delivered by the pi USB ports?
[15:04] <hughJorgan1986_> "10" grade SD card: 11.35 MB/sec
[15:04] <popey> thats write speed isnt it?
[15:04] <hughJorgan1986_> nope
[15:04] <hughJorgan1986_> read
[15:04] <hughJorgan1986_> Timing cached reads: 2972 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1487.20 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 36 MB in 3.17 seconds = 11.35 MB/sec
[15:05] * onefreeman thinks he should cancel his SD card order...
[15:05] <hughJorgan1986_> haha
[15:05] <onefreeman> or at least shell out for a C10 card
[15:05] <nid0> a lot of class10's wont work properly in the pi
[15:06] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said.
[15:06] <onefreeman> derp
[15:06] <chnopsx> I'm wondering btw
[15:07] <chnopsx> I have a class.. 4 I think, 4GB microSD card, and it seems to work fine
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[15:07] <kvarley> I have Transcend Class 6' and they're fine
[15:07] <chnopsx> except I wanted to create an extra ext4 partition in the empty space on it, and it keeps erroring out badly
[15:07] <chnopsx> like tons of error on dmesg when I try to run mkfs.ext4
[15:07] <hughJorgan1986_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4076
[15:08] <Tachyon`> what sort of errors
[15:08] <Tachyon`> that shouldn't happen
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[15:08] <chnopsx> IO errors, though I don't know which ones specifically, let me hook up my pi real quick
[15:09] <onefreeman> strange... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sandisk-Ultra-30MB-SDHC-Card/dp/B000QUUFRM shows C10 on the main image but C6 on the others
[15:09] <Tachyon`> they do reuse images often
[15:09] <Tachyon`> sometimes the size doesn't match either
[15:09] <onefreeman> and, in fact, C4 on a customer photo
[15:09] <nid0> the image in the product description actually shows class4
[15:09] <onefreeman> nice and confusing then
[15:09] <nid0> so its either 4, 6, or 10
[15:09] <Tachyon`> lol
[15:10] <Likes_Nutella> hughJorgan1986_: I get ~25MB/s with a 5200rpm PATA drive but the Pi crashes if I try to actually write anything to it. I think it probably doesnt have enough power. I expect a decent 7200rpm SATA drive would get some nice speeds
[15:10] <onefreeman> technical details say class 6
[15:10] <nid0> technical detail also says 30MB/s
[15:10] <nid0> which would normally warrant a class10
[15:10] <hughJorgan1986_> did you try a different filesystem?
[15:10] <nid0> which the main picture also agrees with
[15:10] <hughJorgan1986_> ntfs is not the best choice
[15:10] <Tachyon`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B000QUUFRM/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R29Z62UB24XMXC
[15:10] <Tachyon`> note that review
[15:10] <onefreeman> so in conclusion, it's nonsense?
[15:10] <Tachyon`> someone has already tried it in a Pi and it didn't work apparently
[15:11] <onefreeman> well, that's an easy solution
[15:11] <Likes_Nutella> hughJorgan1986_: I'm using ext
[15:11] <nid0> odd that he says it doesnt work though
[15:11] <hughJorgan1986_> oh that's too bad then
[15:11] <nid0> the card in my pi right now's an 8GB sandisk ultra class 6
[15:11] <nid0> and works perfectly
[15:11] <Tachyon`> oh
[15:11] <Tachyon`> someone else says it did work in the pi
[15:11] <Tachyon`> well that's clear as mud
[15:12] <onefreeman> I have http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sandisk-8GB-Secure-Digital-Card/dp/B000VUVA62 on order but after coming in to this discussion I'm thinking of a quick cancellation and shelling out a few quic more for faster speeds
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[15:12] <Pi_iglet> You can't go that far wrong with Sandisk stuff
[15:13] <onefreeman> no idea what I'm going to do with the pi yet so I guess I can start with the basic card and if I need to upgrade then I can
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[15:14] <onefreeman> it arrived yesterday, and I realised the largest SD card I have in the house is 256mb...
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[15:14] <Likes_Nutella> onefreeman: just use external media for faster IO. I dont think you are ever going to get particularly high with the SD card
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[15:14] <Tachyon`> no, the trouble with sd cards is the speed reading/writing small files I've found
[15:15] <chaoshax> Just interesting, with the debian image there is something using the ntp port.
[15:15] <chaoshax> So you can't ntpdate until you have killed it.
[15:15] <chaoshax> I will find out what it is in a sec
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[15:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> Fedora isn't keen on booting :D
[15:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> Think I might cut my losses for now and try Raspbian instead :D
[15:21] <megaproxy> i forgot to order a SD card :(
[15:21] <megaproxy> wheres real cheap to get em?
[15:21] <chaoshax> amazon
[15:21] <onefreeman> ?4.30 on amazon
[15:22] <onefreeman> 8gb Sandisk
[15:22] <hughJorgan1986> has anyone tried running bering-uclibc distro ?
[15:22] <hughJorgan1986> it's based on uclibc and as such should have really low memory footprint
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[15:24] <Pi_iglet> @megaproxy try Play,com for Sandisk ones
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[15:24] <megaproxy> hmm
[15:25] <megaproxy> is getting bigger than 8gb a bad idea?
[15:25] <Pi_iglet> I'm typing this on a 16GB from my pi
[15:26] <megaproxy> i take that as a no then :P
[15:26] <Pi_iglet> :P
[15:27] <megaproxy> http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/3385839/Micro-SD-Card-To-SD-Adapter/Product.html?searchstring=sd&searchsource=0&searchtype=allproducts&ob=4&urlrefer=search
[15:27] <megaproxy> would that work
[15:27] <chnopsx> what command is used to make a service start-up on boot? on the debian based image
[15:27] <megaproxy> as i have many many micro sd cards
[15:27] <chnopsx> I want to have ssh start by default
[15:27] <chaoshax> chnopsx, Ahh that's easy.
[15:27] <chaoshax> sudo mv /boot/boot_enable_ssh.rc /boot/boot.rc
[15:27] <piless> megaproxy: it would work but it would be slow
[15:28] <megaproxy> ok
[15:28] <onefreeman> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards may be of use
[15:28] <megaproxy> ill just get a sd card as they are pretty cheap anyway
[15:28] <megaproxy> what class did it need?
[15:28] <chaoshax> <=6
[15:28] <megaproxy> uh
[15:28] <megaproxy> wat
[15:28] <megaproxy> 4?
[15:28] <megaproxy> lol
[15:28] <chaoshax> or 6
[15:28] * megaproxy dosent to math symbols
[15:28] <megaproxy> is the highger the number on class, faster?
[15:28] <chnopsx> thanks chaoshax
[15:28] <Pi_iglet> yes
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[15:29] <megaproxy> minimum class?
[15:29] <onefreeman> but some faster cards have voltage issues apparently
[15:29] <Pi_iglet> 4 seems fine here
[15:29] <megaproxy> ill go with 4
[15:29] <Pi_iglet> and cheaper :)
[15:29] <megaproxy> http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/9248394/SanDisk-16GB-SDHC-SD-Memory-Card/Product.html?searchstring=sd&searchsource=0&searchtype=allproducts&urlrefer=search
[15:29] <haltdef> don't worry too much about class, doesn't describe a performance characteristic that's relevant to running an OS on one
[15:30] <piless> megaproxy: I have one of these in my laptop right now.
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[15:31] <megaproxy> :D
[15:32] <megaproxy> fuck yea egg m ayo sarni
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[15:34] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=6603
[15:34] <PhonicUK> anyone got cifs to behave?
[15:34] <zgreg> wow, that sucks
[15:35] <zgreg> I thought those developers got their pis a few weeks ago
[15:36] <zgreg> well, the idea certainly was to give developers a head-start, and it has failed horribly
[15:36] <nid0> I had heard that nokia got hundreds of pis for that
[15:36] <zgreg> yes and no... apparently nokia has a contract or something with the rpi foundation for 400 boards
[15:36] <zgreg> they should have gotten those boards from the first batch
[15:36] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[15:37] <zgreg> and from what I've read, they already paid for those boards
[15:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> Nah, the only people who have Pi's at the moment are using them for XBMC
[15:39] <megaproxy> too much egg
[15:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> The Pi kicked off with too much publicity, which will give us a rocky start but may pay off in the long run
[15:39] <nid0> psh, im using mine to try to sort out thin-client booting from iscsi
[15:40] <chaoshax> It means they are gold dust.
[15:41] <chaoshax> Open hardware version would be cool, imagine starting computing class where you have to assemble the computer.
[15:41] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[15:41] <chaoshax> Where you learn what part does
[15:41] <PhonicUK> <3 my Pi
[15:42] <PhonicUK> i might make an RTC for mine sat on the GPIO with a battery backup
[15:43] <zgreg> err, assembling a raspi would not be very interesting
[15:43] <zgreg> "this is the SoC. it does everything."
[15:44] <zgreg> besides, you cannot solder the raspberry pi without special equipment
[15:44] <chaoshax> That's true :p
[15:44] <zgreg> and then there's the firmware blackbox you cannot easily explain or look into
[15:44] <zgreg> in other words: NOPE
[15:45] <chaoshax> Still would be fun, not enough soldering in classes anymore.
[15:45] <oldtopman> PhonicUK: Yeah, I'm tempted to make some here and mass-produce them for the rpi
[15:46] <chnopsx> what does an RTC do?
[15:46] <chnopsx> just keep time when the device is turned off?
[15:46] <zgreg> chnopsx: and when it is turned on, too
[15:46] <chnopsx> hm
[15:47] <chnopsx> isn't it already capable of doing that?
[15:47] <zgreg> at least that's often a good idea, because software clocks are often not very accurate
[15:47] <chnopsx> ah
[15:47] <chaoshax> a very cheap communications module would be cool.
[15:47] <PhonicUK> anyone know where the download for the raspbmc beta is?
[15:47] <PhonicUK> i cant find it
[15:47] <chaoshax> I can't either
[15:48] <nacimep> accurate time
[15:48] <PhonicUK> wooo cifs is working!
[15:48] <chnopsx> if I have an old PC motherboard with presumably some sort of RTC on it, would it be a potential hobby project to remove it from there make that work with an RPi?
[15:48] <PhonicUK> i can now navigate my NAS
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[15:50] <zgreg> chnopsx: sure
[15:50] <nacimep> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/99
[15:51] <zgreg> might be problematic, though, as far as I know these old RTC modules typically need 5V
[15:52] <chaoshax> IS gpio 3.3 then?
[15:52] <nacimep> ew i didnt see that used 5v
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[15:53] <zgreg> chnopsx: on the pi? yes
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[15:53] <PhonicUK> bleh, omxplayer doesnt work
[15:53] <chnopsx> I'm really eager to learn more about electronics, so I'm looking for some potential projects to get me started
[15:54] <chaoshax> Quadcopter :D
[15:54] * nacimep hands chaoshax a lightbulb and battery
[15:54] <chaoshax> But not too much electronics
[15:54] <nacimep> knock yourself out
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[15:55] <chaoshax> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-B2yfmU89k&list=UU_ln1TA-w4bahRI7yN0TcJA&index=7&feature=plcp
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[15:57] <Shiftplusone_s2> Morning
[15:57] <chaoshax> Morning
[15:57] <nacimep> i personally want to get away from electronics, think ill go join an amish community for awhile
[15:58] <Shiftplusone_s2> I'd love to do that... Well if they weren't religious nuts.
[15:59] <nacimep> raise a barn milk a cow feed the chikens
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[15:59] <chaoshax> Would get boring.
[15:59] <nacimep> you not not every religious person is preachy
[15:59] <nacimep> and i doubt they'd feel comfortable discussing that sort of thing with an "outsider"
[16:00] <Shiftplusone_s2> I was speaking specifically about the amish.
[16:00] <nacimep> so am i
[16:00] <chaoshax> They are not particularly open to others.
[16:00] <chaoshax> You would have to be religious to spend any lengthy time there.
[16:00] <Shiftplusone_s2> They would if you wanted to join their community, I'd imagine.
[16:01] <chaoshax> They wouldn't let you unless you were religious.
[16:01] <Shiftplusone_s2> Exactly
[16:01] <chaoshax> Which would be rather annoying.
[16:03] <chaoshax> I swear people just walk outside in the sun for the sake of it.
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[16:05] <nacimep> imagine that
[16:07] <nacimep> drinking unpasterized milk
[16:07] <nacimep> those heathens
[16:08] <chaoshax> Has anyone actually got x11 forwarding to work?
[16:08] <nacimep> shouldnt be too hard
[16:08] <nacimep> ive done it a few times
[16:08] <chaoshax> I haven't done it on the pi
[16:08] <Shiftplusone_s2> Chaos yeah its straight forward
[16:09] <gurgalof> I've done it on a pi
[16:09] <nacimep> check sshd_config ?
[16:09] <chaoshax> One sec then
[16:09] <chnopsx> is it normal that some hdmi/video settings on /boot/config.txt aren't applied on a 'soft' reboot?
[16:09] <Shiftplusone_s2> I am on a phone and at work, so it would be a bit if a pain to guide you through, but check arch wiki and such.
[16:09] <chaoshax> x11 forwarding is yes.
[16:09] <nacimep> theres like hundreds of howto's
[16:09] <chaoshax> Anything else I need to add?
[16:10] <gurgalof> Just connect with -Y from your machine
[16:10] <nacimep> have x11 server installed
[16:10] <Shiftplusone_s2> Chopsx check proc cmdline before and after doing that soft reboot
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[16:12] <Shiftplusone_s2> The bootloader passes some extra parameters which may get dropped, but it's fixable.
[16:12] <chaoshax> Does X have to be started
[16:12] <Shiftplusone_s2> No
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[16:12] <chnopsx> hm yeah this doesn't have anything to do with soft rebooting, won't apply my settings on a cold boot either, which is weird because it was working fine earlier :s
[16:12] <chnopsx> I lowered the console res to 1024x768
[16:12] <nacimep> ssh -X user@raspberrypi
[16:13] <gurgalof> nacimep, try -Y instead of -X
[16:13] <chaoshax> I am getting cannot open display
[16:13] <chaoshax> With the -X flag
[16:13] <Shiftplusone_s2> Can't help from the phone, but check cmdline, kernels built in cmdline and cmdline. Txt.
[16:14] <chnopsx> this is what it boots with: https://gist.github.com/2814360
[16:14] <nacimep> ssh -Y user@raspberrypi xclock
[16:14] <chnopsx> according to dmesg, in my config.txt I have (one sec)
[16:15] <chnopsx> disable_overscan=1 / sdtv_mode=2 / hdmi_mode=16
[16:15] <chnopsx> (where / is a newline)
[16:15] <chaoshax> X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0
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[16:15] <chnopsx> currently connected via hdmi, if I'm not mistaken mode 16 is 1024x768
[16:15] <Shiftplusone_s2> Sounds right? So what resolution do you actually get?
[16:15] <chnopsx> 1920x1080
[16:15] <Shiftplusone_s2> Oh
[16:16] <chnopsx> i'm trying to get it to lower res because it makes me test program that messes with the frame buffer faster :P
[16:16] <Shiftplusone_s2> Double check that on the wiki?
[16:16] <chnopsx> yeah I will, although I didn't change it after I got it working with this earlier today
[16:16] <Shiftplusone_s2> Because according to cmdline, you are wrong.
[16:17] <chnopsx> hmmm
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[16:17] <chnopsx> maybe it's because I use a different monitor now, and connecting via hdmi sainted of using a hdmi->dvi adapter
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[16:17] <Shiftplusone_s2> Anyway, back to work, 'night
[16:17] <chnopsx> instead*
[16:17] <chnopsx> alright, thanks for the hints in any case :)
[16:17] <Shiftplusone_s2> Btw anyone else tested xecloader?
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[16:18] <chaoshax> gurgalof, I tried with that, I get channel error
[16:18] <chaoshax> Failed on channel 0
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[16:19] <gurgalof> i would guess it's something with your x11 install...
[16:20] <chnopsx> oh that's confusing, according to the wiki, mode 16 really is 1080p, huh
[16:20] <chaoshax> It's default install
[16:21] <chnopsx> oh wait, there are two tables, I guess I need to use the different table if I'm not using a DVI adapter, or something
[16:22] <chaoshax> I am updating ssh the
[16:22] <chaoshax> then*
[16:22] <gurgalof> chaoshax, then i don't know, for me it's just works...
[16:22] <chaoshax> Did you upgrade?
[16:22] <chaoshax> *update the packages
[16:23] <gurgalof> no
[16:23] <gurgalof> just out of the box ssh -Y user@raspberrypi
[16:23] <chaoshax> Interesting, I just wanted to see how vlc worked over x11
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[16:25] <PhonicUK> bleh
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[16:25] <PhonicUK> cifs doesnt behave on the debian image
[16:25] <PhonicUK> but does on raspbian
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[16:26] <nid0> iscsi works fine on debian, but needs additional kernel modules
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[16:27] <PhonicUK> ah hangon, looks like my NAS has gone loopy
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[16:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha, the UK license plate G14 DOS is available for Portal lovers :)
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[16:34] <megaproxy> omg
[16:34] <megaproxy> how muchj
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[16:37] <PhonicUK> i want to set up an unoffician raspberry pi forum
[16:37] <PhonicUK> that doesn't have to wait for a human to approve every damn post >_<
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[16:42] <PhonicUK> wtf
[16:42] <PhonicUK> no wonder this isn't working right
[16:42] <PhonicUK> two devices are trying to use the same PI!
[16:42] <PhonicUK> *IP
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[16:44] <chaoshax> What? How has my 4gb ran out of room?
[16:44] <chaoshax> It's a 3.7gb partition
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[16:47] <PhonicUK> hmm
[16:47] <PhonicUK> either my router is being stupid or my pi is
[16:47] <PhonicUK> my pi keeps sitting on 192.168.1.93, but that address is used by my NAS
[16:48] <megaproxy> edit eht0 config
[16:49] <PhonicUK> its all handled via DHCP though, this shouldn't happen
[16:49] <PhonicUK> brb - gonna try restarting router first
[16:49] <megaproxy> but iot is :P
[16:50] <chris_99> try running dhcpclient
[16:50] <chris_99> on the pi
[16:50] <chris_99> or dhclient it may be called
[16:50] <megaproxy> mflb
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[16:58] <chaoshax> What command do you guys run on debian to sync the time with ntp?
[16:59] <haltdef> just having ntpd running is plenty
[16:59] <Holden> chaoshax, if you have ntpdate installed: sudo ntpdate -v it.pool.ntp.org
[16:59] <chaoshax> OK
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[16:59] <chaoshax> I get NTP socket in use
[17:00] <Holden> (I removed ntpd and installed ntpdate)
[17:00] <chaoshax> Ahh k
[17:00] <chaoshax> then just run from cron?
[17:01] <haltdef> k, bitlbee running on pi
[17:01] <haltdef> now for znc
[17:01] <Holden> chaoshax, no, when the network interfaces goes up it will sync the time using ntpdate
[17:01] <PhonicUK> hmm
[17:01] <haltdef> it seems happy enough being powered from my wnr3500l's usb port
[17:01] <PhonicUK> now my Pi won't connect to its network
[17:01] <chaoshax> Holden, I see
[17:02] <PhonicUK> eeh, /dev/eth0 no longer exists?
[17:02] <PhonicUK> wtf?
[17:03] <piless> will a wireless n dongle be faster than the ethernet on the pi?
[17:03] <PhonicUK> nop
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[17:03] <haltdef> in theory it could be
[17:03] <haltdef> I get 250Mbps out of my wireless N, but it's 3 stream 5ghz N .. find a dongle that does that and you should be onto a winner
[17:03] <mjr> possible, wouldn't count on it
[17:04] <oldtopman> Is the rpi Gigabit?
[17:04] <PhonicUK> except you're limited to the speed of the USB bus
[17:04] <piless> oldtopman: 100mbit
[17:04] <Holden> gordonDrogon, ShiftPlusOne, success, max232 with +5V supply, rpi_tx directly to max232, rpi_rx via a 18k/12k voltage divider, and I'm able to communicate at 115200 8N1 with minicom: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1009792/
[17:04] <haltdef> still double that of 100mbps lan
[17:04] <oldtopman> Eh, not too bad.
[17:04] <PhonicUK> mmm true
[17:04] <piless> PhonicUK: Yeah but the usb bus is 4x faster than the ethernet right?
[17:05] <zgreg> some USB ethernet dongles support gbit ethernet, AFAIK
[17:05] <haltdef> I have one of them for my UMPC
[17:05] <mjr> there are those.
[17:06] <zgreg> but I can only assume that they perform rather poorly
[17:06] <piless> zgreg: how chunky are usb ethernet dongles?
[17:06] <haltdef> which has no kind of ethernet built in, why limit throughput to 100mbps when usb2 can do much faster
[17:06] <chaoshax> wtf
[17:06] <chaoshax> http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html
[17:07] <mjr> presumably the perform better than 100Mbit ones, which is the point
[17:07] <PhonicUK> hmm
[17:07] <tech2077> chaoshax, they are here!
[17:07] <PhonicUK> dhclient eth0 is sat doing noething
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[17:09] <PhonicUK> *sets IP by hand*
[17:09] <PhonicUK> woooot omxplayer is working!
[17:09] <piless> all the gigabit usb ethernet dongles are ??20 :(
[17:10] <chaoshax> PhonicUK, Is that any good?
[17:10] <piless> PhonicUK: on raspbian?
[17:11] <piless> chaoshax: omxplayer is the only way to get gpu accelerated video iirc at the moment
[17:11] <PhonicUK> on debian
[17:11] <PhonicUK> it wouldn't play ball on raspbian
[17:11] <PhonicUK> works flawlessly though
[17:11] <PhonicUK> silky smooth 1080p
[17:12] <piless> now make it work on raspian :P
[17:12] <PhonicUK> omg 3D works as well! (for SBS that is)
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[17:14] <PhonicUK> ping
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[17:16] <piless> pong
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[17:17] <mjr> yeah about that raspbian/openmax thing, and I recall somebody also having trouble with quake on raspbian, are the proprietary media/3d libraries actually available on both softfp and hardfp ABI?
[17:20] <Holden> mjr, yes, https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/hardfp
[17:21] <mjr> righto, at least there's that
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[17:36] <PhonicUK> quake3 won't work for me on raspbian :(
[17:36] <PhonicUK> neither the version i compiled from source or hexxehs version
[17:36] <PhonicUK> but it works fine on debian
[17:38] <chaoshax> Umm, does omxplayer take a while to load from sabma?
[17:40] <chnopsx> does have run on arm? and can one play mine craft on the rip? :D
[17:40] <chnopsx> I guess memory usage will be a problem
[17:40] <chnopsx> minecraft* silly autocorrect
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[17:42] <PhonicUK> chaoshax, took a moment for me
[17:42] <PhonicUK> chnopsx, the Pi can't run Minecraft
[17:42] <PhonicUK> mostly due to the lack of a OpenGL:ES version of LWJGL
[17:42] <chnopsx> ah
[17:42] <chnopsx> oh right
[17:42] <PhonicUK> and largely because 256MB isn't likely to be enough RAM to play
[17:42] <PhonicUK> you can however run the Minecraft server on it
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[17:43] <PhonicUK> if you're the masochistic type
[17:43] <chaoshax> PhonicUK, Not without java though?
[17:43] <chaoshax> Also it will kill the ram
[17:43] <PhonicUK> indeed, you need java
[17:43] <chnopsx> yeah my experience with hosting a server is that those too need a lot of memory (unless you want to restart it really often)
[17:43] <chnopsx> even on my server with 2GB ram it was a big problem and I upgraded to 4GB :s
[17:43] <PhonicUK> its managable if you use a 224 split, pre-generate the map and set it to 4 players max
[17:44] <PhonicUK> with Xmx192M
[17:44] <chnopsx> but.. I do know there is a somewhat stripped down version of mien craft for android, so I guess it's possible in theory
[17:44] <chnopsx> minecraft*
[17:44] <PhonicUK> indeed, but first we need android on the device :P
[17:44] <chnopsx> yes:D
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[17:45] <PhonicUK> Android 2.3 is probably managable
[17:45] <chaoshax> Noo not android
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[17:45] <chaoshax> I use android enough :D
[17:45] <PhonicUK> lol
[17:45] <chaoshax> Carry on with the debian stuff please xD
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[17:47] <PhonicUK> lol
[17:48] <PhonicUK> im happy watching 1080p video in debian ^_^
[17:48] <chaoshax> Well I am trying that out now.
[17:48] <chaoshax> Maybe I should hook up the monitor.
[17:48] <chaoshax> VNC is going to kill it.
[17:49] <chnopsx> it's funny that this $35 rip can play 1080p
[17:49] <chaoshax> Just gotta wait for the file to copy over.
[17:49] <chnopsx> while my $450 tablet can't even play 720p
[17:49] <chaoshax> Ooh that was quick
[17:49] <chaoshax> I find that funny as well.
[17:49] <chnopsx> actually, I've not tried it yet on my rip, but does the rip have limitation regarding bitrate?
[17:49] <chnopsx> rpi*
[17:49] <chnopsx> this ADSKJFKDSJF autocorrect is really getting on my nerves
[17:50] <piless_> mpeg2 would be nice
[17:50] <PhonicUK> im playing the video over CIFS
[17:50] <PhonicUK> from my NAS
[17:51] <chaoshax> Well I just copied it, to make it load a bit quicker
[17:51] <chnopsx> I've a lot of 'downloaded' shows using mkv encapsulation with 720p h264 video that my tablet can't play smoothly
[17:51] <PhonicUK> im just grabbing a copy of Big Buck Bunny
[17:52] <chaoshax> Find the best h264 settings you can get then
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[17:52] <chaoshax> Mine is fine for 720p
[17:52] <piless_> most scene releases for 420p will be h264 aswell now
[17:52] <chaoshax> Thankfully I have a beefy dual core server
[17:52] <chaoshax> That is great for transcoding.
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[17:53] <chaoshax> PhonicUK, How long did it take for yours to start?
[17:53] <tech2077> YES! xbmc works great
[17:53] <chaoshax> Maybe it doesn't work over vnc.
[17:53] <PhonicUK> chaoshax, about 20 seconds?
[17:53] <tech2077> fast playback even off network
[17:53] <PhonicUK> I used
[17:53] <PhonicUK> omxplayer -o hdmi FILENAME
[17:53] <chaoshax> Yeah mine is headless.
[17:54] <PhonicUK> then it wont work
[17:54] <chaoshax> Ahh K, will go and grab a small monitor then
[17:54] <chaoshax> brb
[17:54] <PhonicUK> can I tell from my devices serial number which 'number' device it is?
[17:55] <PhonicUK> i know when it was made, but not its position in the batch or overall position
[17:55] <piless_> whats the serial number?
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[17:55] <PhonicUK> 1 tick
[17:56] <PhonicUK> FN120510457
[17:56] <Viperfang> Ah, a farnell board
[17:56] <PhonicUK> yup
[17:56] <chaoshax> Oh well it works
[17:57] <piless_> the first 4 digits are the build month
[17:57] <piless_> maybe
[17:57] <PhonicUK> the first 4 are year/week
[17:57] <chaoshax> Oh my god wow
[17:57] <chaoshax> This is amazing
[17:57] <chaoshax> 720p smooth
[17:57] <piless_> so maybe the last 5 is the build number
[17:58] <chaoshax> Holy **********
[17:58] <onefreeman> I got FN120515975 just yesterday
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[17:58] <onefreeman> so I'm guessing the first four are YYMM
[17:58] <Viperfang> Hmm, I thought the number on the top was year/week
[17:58] <piless_> onefreeman: yyww
[17:59] <PhonicUK> the first 4 digits are year/week
[17:59] <Viperfang> next to the usb I have 1213
[17:59] <onefreeman> ah, right
[17:59] <Viperfang> but my serial is FN120402621
[17:59] <onefreeman> so mine was build in february
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[18:00] <PhonicUK> okay so it looks like
[18:00] <Viperfang> so FNYYMMDD would make sense I think
[18:00] <Viperfang> then 621?
[18:00] <PhonicUK> no its not YYMMDD
[18:00] <PhonicUK> we *know* its YYWW
[18:00] <piless_> Viperfang: 621 would have been built a lot earlier than that
[18:01] <Viperfang> piless_: not if its a batch number
[18:01] <PhonicUK> hmm actually it could be YYMMDD
[18:01] <popey> mine is FN120401531
[18:01] <Viperfang> PhonicUK: I think it is
[18:01] <onefreeman> Implies less than 1000 units/day production
[18:01] <PhonicUK> sounds about right
[18:02] <PhonicUK> FN120510457 could either be 10th of May 2012
[18:02] <PhonicUK> or February 2012 number 10457
[18:02] <hamitron> 10 year olds are slow at soldering ;D
[18:02] <Viperfang> PhonicUK: what the number bear the USB?
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[18:02] <Viperfang> * near
[18:02] <onefreeman> if it's YYMMDD then my RPi took less than 2 weeks from manufacturing to getting here
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[18:03] <PhonicUK> ooh ive got MPEG4 in an AVI container
[18:03] <PhonicUK> still accelerated
[18:03] <piless_> so?
[18:03] <piless_> h264 is mpeg4
[18:03] <PhonicUK> i didn't realise OMX supported the container
[18:04] <piless_> mpeg4 10 iirc
[18:04] <Viperfang> PhonicUK: What the 4 digit number on your RPi near the usb power connector?
[18:04] <PhonicUK> 1 tick
[18:04] <popey> mine is 1 21 3
[18:04] <PhonicUK> i think its the same as the first 4 numbers on my serial
[18:04] <Viperfang> shouldnt be
[18:05] <PhonicUK> 1 21 5
[18:05] <Viperfang> as those should be year/week
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[18:05] <PhonicUK> 12 15
[18:05] <popey> oh, 12 13
[18:05] <PhonicUK> ah in that case
[18:05] <Viperfang> so, 2012 week 15, sounds about right
[18:05] <PhonicUK> yea
[18:05] <PhonicUK> if thats YYWW
[18:05] <PhonicUK> then the serial number is YYMMDD
[18:05] <PhonicUK> and batch number
[18:05] <Viperfang> Logic prevails
[18:05] <Viperfang> well, could be batch
[18:06] <PhonicUK> now the question is when did manufacturing start
[18:06] <Viperfang> three digits, one could be a line number
[18:06] <piless_> they could just be random numbers
[18:06] <Viperfang> piless_: unlikely
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[18:06] <piless_> Viperfang: factory trolls
[18:06] <PhonicUK> i wish The Avengers would come out on blu ray already
[18:07] <PhonicUK> but its not coming out until sept :(
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[18:07] <onefreeman> I don't seem to have numbers around the power connector
[18:07] <onefreeman> on either side
[18:07] <piless_> onefreeman: perhaps yours is counterfeit
[18:07] <PhonicUK> its between the USB and the SD card
[18:07] <onefreeman> except those which correspond to smd components
[18:09] <piless_> hmm.. liz is going on *another* holiday
[18:10] <chaoshax> I am really impressed by omxplayer
[18:10] <chaoshax> It needs to be added to the repo
[18:10] <ShiftPlusOne> +1
[18:10] <piless_> chaoshax: you should be impressed, it was specially made for the raspi
[18:10] <friggle> chaoshax: ShiftPlusOne: yes, I want it with the new wheezy image. Would love it if someone would do a good job of packaging it
[18:11] <chaoshax> That is true
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[18:12] <PhonicUK> you know theres a .deb of omxplayer dont you?
[18:12] <piless_> friggle: we're getting wheezy?
[18:12] <chaoshax> Yes
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[18:13] <friggle> piless_: yes
[18:13] <piless_> raspbian too?
[18:13] <friggle> raspbian is using wheezy packages
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[18:13] <friggle> I'd like to look in to using my image build scripts to build raspbian sd card images with identical configuration as the stock armel wheezy ones
[18:17] <friggle> PhonicUK: yes, that's a starting point. I don't like how it pollutes /lib and /usr/lib with libpcre and libva copies bundled with omxplayer
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[18:17] <PhonicUK> friggle, I had to install those libs separately
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[18:18] <friggle> PhonicUK: ah yes, looking again it's actually not so bad. It is of course just adding a link in /usr/lib/omxplaye. I can live with that
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[18:19] <wiijii> Evening all. Don't suppose anyone has had any luck with a C270 webcam?
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[18:20] <gurgalof> wiijii, no, but what is your problem?
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[18:21] <wiijii> I don't have a specific problem just yet; just a Pi booted into Debian and a C270 attached. Thought I'd check if anyone else had progressed
[18:21] <wiijii> Ultimately I'm hoping to do some openCV + webcam
[18:21] <friggle> wiijii: not sure what kernel module that camera requires, but we probably don't have it alalready compiled :/
[18:21] <gurgalof> is it a UVC webcam?
[18:21] <friggle> wiijii: you'll want uvcvideo module I imagine
[18:22] <gurgalof> yeah, ATM you have to compile your own modules...
[18:22] <wiijii> Possibly, or to use the Arch image. It seems openCV is simpler to install on that but there are issues with some other bits (libusb)
[18:22] <gurgalof> until someone fixes this: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/21
[18:23] <friggle> gurgalof: yeah, on the list...really need to step through the defconfig again
[18:23] <Viperfang> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByIUWD3ONF7namxZQ0hLaFBJU3c <-- under side
[18:23] <Viperfang> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByIUWD3ONF7nOS1QUmVldWc1WU0 <-- top side
[18:24] <gurgalof> I dont mind compiling myself, but others may mind...
[18:24] <friggle> gurgalof: yeah, missing uvcvideo was an oversight
[18:24] <ShiftPlusOne> hell yeah others mind.... as soon as you say 'compile' 80% of people just give up.
[18:24] <gurgalof> ShiftPlusOne, so true
[18:24] <ShiftPlusOne> throw in 'cross' and it's 90%
[18:25] <piless_> I give up
[18:25] <friggle> well you could compile your kernel modules natively if you have patience :)
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[18:25] <gurgalof> lots of patience
[18:25] <Viperfang> Ive just been linked to this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007KEIRNG
[18:25] <Viperfang> I compiled my modules natively
[18:25] <PhonicUK> not that bad, only took me 45 minutes to compile Quake 3 on my Pi
[18:25] <Viperfang> Well, my entire kernel
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[18:26] <craig1> does it work now PhonicUK ?
[18:26] <Viperfang> Didnt take that long
[18:26] <ShiftPlusOne> how long?
[18:26] <gurgalof> i crosscompiled my entire kernel on my laptop, just 4 minutes
[18:26] <friggle> Viperfang: yes, I have one. It works for me. Beware it is eating in to your total power budget though
[18:26] <PhonicUK> craig1, no xD
[18:27] <Viperfang> Yup, but better than no display
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[18:27] <friggle> Viperfang: screen kept blanking out under stress test with my 0.85A kindle charger which is normally great. Even worse with a cheap 1A. My 2A Samsung charger is rock solid though
[18:27] <chaoshax> Asus transformer is solid.
[18:27] <friggle> darn handy for giving Raspberry Pi presentations/demos as well. Far too many projectors are still VGA input only
[18:29] <craig1> VGA is still half decent though...composite analog is almost useless
[18:30] <friggle> craig1: it certainly takes some...getting used to :)
[18:30] <piless_> friggle: where did you get the rock solid samsung charger?
[18:30] <friggle> piless_: with a galaxy tab 2 7.0
[18:33] <PhonicUK> <3 my Asus Transformer
[18:33] <PhonicUK> I'd love a TF201 though
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[18:33] <friggle> I can sort of see the appeal of tablets. For pure consumption.
[18:34] <craig1> Yeah no one will do much typing on a software keyboard
[18:34] <craig1> but transformer has the hardware keyboard
[18:34] <PhonicUK> indeed
[18:34] <PhonicUK> as a dock
[18:34] <friggle> swiftkey 3 beta is really rather excellent though
[18:35] <gurgalof> soft keyboards are useless for coding
[18:35] <friggle> well sure
[18:37] <craig1> I like the look of the Transformer but I don't rate Android
[18:37] <craig1> Android is a ghetto
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[18:39] <friggle> I had to root the darn thing to enable the EU wifi regulatory domain so I could connect to the college wifi (on channel 12)
[18:39] <gurgalof> friggle, stupid americans....
[18:39] <PhonicUK> was it an imported device?
[18:39] <piless_> might as well stick it on 14
[18:39] <ShiftPlusOne> is there an 'official' x86-linux-cross-arm-linux-hardfp?
[18:40] <friggle> PhonicUK: yeah, it was a prize and was US sourced
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[18:40] <ShiftPlusOne> or rather is there an official 32bit, hardfp cross-compiler?
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[18:40] <craig1> ShiftPlusOne: gcc will do it I'm sure
[18:40] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: not to my knowledge
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[18:41] <craig1> ShiftPlusOne: you just have to figure out the right incantations
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[18:41] <mithodin> Hey guys
[18:42] <PhonicUK> lo
[18:42] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, thanks
[18:42] <wiijii> Has anyone used X forwarding successfully?
[18:42] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[18:43] <craig1> ShiftPlusOne: seems like Linaro maintain a cross-compile toolchain for ARM
[18:43] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: craig1: they do...but don't use their binary toolchains. They are not friendly to < armv7
[18:43] <PhonicUK> wow
[18:43] <PhonicUK> just wow
[18:43] <ShiftPlusOne> craig1, yeah, there are plenty, I was just asking about an official one like the softfp x86 and hardfloat x86_64 ones they provide.
[18:43] <PhonicUK> ive got Big Buck Bunny 1080p
[18:44] <PhonicUK> its flawless
[18:44] <mithodin> I recently got my hands on my very own raspi, and I'm trying to figure out how to get multimedia keys (from a keyboard or, later, mce remote) working on terminal
[18:44] <friggle> PhonicUK: well of course it is :)
[18:44] <chaoshax> One letter misplaced and it would all go wrong
[18:44] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, any notes on the codesourcery one?
[18:44] <craig1> friggle: Oh I see..I guess that's why Ubuntu support < armv7 too ?
[18:44] <mithodin> I understand there is no acpi on the raspi? So is there a way to do that without having X running?
[18:44] <craig1> doesn't support*
[18:44] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: I don't think they have a hardfp build. Plus now you have to sign up to download
[18:44] <wiijii> I'm getting "user not authorized to run X" ... ?
[18:45] <ShiftPlusOne> wiiguy, ssh -Y user@pi_ip lxterminal (or whatever you'd like)
[18:45] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: but linaro have instructions for building their toolchain using crosstool-ng. Donald has built a linaro toolchain http://qt-project.org/wiki/RaspberryPi
[18:45] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, *
[18:45] <wiijii> Yep, will try. Thought it was -X?
[18:45] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: probably not difficult to modify for hardfp. Plus newer linaro toolchain will prepare you for wheezy, as by my understanding it is multiarch aware
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[18:46] <wiijii> same issue
[18:46] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, and you've got it enabled in sshd.conif (or whatever the file is called)?
[18:46] <ShiftPlusOne> *config
[18:46] <friggle> craig1: more that they're trying to get the best performance, and there's a lot of work around armv7 as a platform (e.g. Linaro are pretty much focused solely on v7)
[18:46] <wiijii> Yep
[18:46] <wiijii> I'll double check though
[18:47] <chaoshax> I have issues as well
[18:47] <ShiftPlusOne> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[18:47] <chaoshax> Erorr can't open display is mine
[18:47] <chaoshax> X11 forwarding is in sshd_config
[18:47] <chaoshax> Odd
[18:48] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, I am happy to use the provided one or to compile my own, I am just writting a simple tutorial on how to compile the kernel for the sort of person who thinks it's too complicated, so I don't want to make them compile their own toolchain. Since hardfloat/softfloat doesn't matter for the kernel, it doesn't make too much difference anyway.
[18:49] <ShiftPlusOne> chaoshax, wiijii maybe there's a group you need to be in? You're not trying to do it as root are you?
[18:49] <chaoshax> No
[18:49] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: you used to be able to skip the codesourcery registration wall by going directly to e.g. https://sourcery.mentor.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/release2029 ... no longer :/
[18:50] <wiijii> No
[18:50] <wiijii> (Though I did try, and that didn't work either, heh)
[18:50] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, https://sourcery.mentor.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package8739/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2011.03-41-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2
[18:50] <chaoshax> I don't have x started
[18:50] <chaoshax> But that shouldn't make a difference.
[18:50] <wiijii> I definitely had x started when I had the Pi plugged into a screen, though I can't remember if it was on a previous SD-image-install
[18:51] <wiijii> (Still debian though)
[18:51] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, wget friendly =)
[18:52] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: actually it's not. Redirects me to their signin page
[18:52] <chaoshax> ShiftPlusOne, Did you change anything other than X11 forwarding which is yes by default iirc.
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[18:53] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, odd... http://pastebin.com/mrFCF1eL
[18:53] <ShiftPlusOne> chaoshax, nope, it just worked.
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[18:53] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: had you already signed in from your ip address?
[18:53] <chaoshax> Listening on port 6001
[18:54] <wiijii> Did you startx locally before using X11 forwarding?
[18:54] <chaoshax> Should be 6000 right?
[18:54] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, nuh, I have a dynamic IP and I don't remember signing up to anything
[18:54] <ShiftPlusOne> no, you don't need to start x.
[18:54] <wiijii> No, didn't think so... Hmmm
[18:54] <ShiftPlusOne> but it doesn't matter if you do either
[18:54] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: ah no, pebcak. Works fine ;)
[18:54] <chaoshax> exec /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp "$@"
[18:55] <chaoshax> What does this do?
[18:55] <friggle> pebkac rather. eughh, not good today
[18:55] <wiijii> I think my problem is not being auth'd to startx, rather than the forwarding
[18:55] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, what command are you running?
[18:56] <wiijii> startx; can that be done over SSH?
[18:56] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, I didn't do it that way, what desktop environment are you using?
[18:56] <ShiftPlusOne> and you should launch the actual program you want to use
[18:57] <wiijii> I was trying to run cheese, which failed.
[18:57] <ShiftPlusOne> but you can startlxde, startfxce4 and such as well... but then you'll have yout regular desktop panels interfering.
[18:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Try something simple like xterm
[18:57] <wiijii> I'm not sure what the desktop env. is, I've literally just booted the debian image and started playing
[18:57] <chaoshax> lxde
[18:57] <wiijii> Will do... though xterm isn't installed by default?!
[18:58] <ShiftPlusOne> then install it >_< or try lxterminal
[18:58] <wiijii> Heh, I am installing.
[18:58] <wiijii> Guess I didn't need to add that bit of commentary...
[18:58] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, it helps to provide all the information
[18:59] <wiijii> Aha, worked
[18:59] <ShiftPlusOne> so x11 forwarding works then
[18:59] <chaoshax> Lets see if it works for me
[18:59] <chaoshax> Display is not set
[19:00] <wiijii> Yeah... how strange. Not sure what changed
[19:00] <ShiftPlusOne> chaoshax, you sure you've got the -Y option there?
[19:00] <wiijii> I used ssh -X
[19:00] <chaoshax> will do again to check
[19:00] <friggle> wiijii: echo $DISPLAY on the pi
[19:01] <wiijii> localhost:10.0
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> looks fine
[19:01] <wiijii> Probably irrelevant, but I logged in as user@<ip> rather than user@<hostname>
[19:01] <wiijii> It now works regardless of what I use.
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> and what happens if you DISPLAY=":10.0" lxterminal ?
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[19:02] <wiijii> Fails
[19:03] <chaoshax> ShiftPlusOne, yeah it was there
[19:03] <chaoshax> Trying with user@hostname then
[19:03] <wiijii> I think that hostname is only set in my hosts file on the client though
[19:03] <chaoshax> It's timing out with hostname
[19:03] <wiijii> So it shouldn't really be any different
[19:03] <chaoshax> I will change hosts then
[19:03] <wiijii> You can ssh in though, right?
[19:03] <chaoshax> yes
[19:04] <wiijii> and X11forwading is "yes" in sshd_config (not ssh_config)
[19:04] <chaoshax> yes
[19:04] <wiijii> And done /etc/init.d/ssh reload
[19:05] <chaoshax> Yep
[19:05] <wiijii> Hmmm. I'm trying to work out what changed with mine; I think I just logged out and in a couple of times :-S
[19:06] <chaoshax> I am trying Display=:1
[19:07] <chaoshax> That's my vnc display
[19:07] <chaoshax> Maybe I need to kill that
[19:08] <chaoshax> Will reboot then
[19:08] <ShiftPlusOne> ssh sets up the display properly, vnc and whatever else you have shouldn't interfere in any way.
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[19:09] <chaoshax> It's odd
[19:11] <wiijii> Now to compile uvc
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[19:12] <chaoshax> Still giving display not set
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[19:15] <ShiftPlusOne> clearly it IS set, according to the info so far, so it's a strange error to be getting
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[19:17] <chaoshax> http://i.imgur.com/VTwhR.png
[19:18] <D34TH> motdftew
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[19:19] <chaoshax> When I do echo $DISPLAY it's empty
[19:19] <ShiftPlusOne> well thee's your problem
[19:20] <ShiftPlusOne> did you say you got localhost:10.0 earlier?
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[19:20] <DaQatz> there*
[19:20] <chaoshax> No that was the other guy
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[19:20] <ShiftPlusOne> well then, your ssh is doing it wrong... like you're not using the -Y parameter
[19:20] <ShiftPlusOne> or maybe you've got a .bashrc which clears it for some reason or something
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[19:22] <mithodin> Hey again guys. I'm currently having a little problem with sound on my raspi. in a lot of songs, there is audible crackle which keeps me from enjoying my music as I do from my notebook
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it's not really made for good audio qulity
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> *quality
[19:23] <mithodin> so do I have to live with it or is there a way to improve?
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe the crackling will be fixed, I don't know, but it's not really going to be perfect
[19:23] <DaQatz> Usb sound card
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> or use the hdmi audio
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[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> or pretend it's the nice crackle of a vinyl.
[19:24] <mithodin> hdmi audio does not have this problem?
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I wouldn't think so, but I haven't tried
[19:24] <mithodin> ShiftPlusOne: it is definitely not vinyl crackle. I know that and it's far more pleasant
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> well that's why you have to pretend
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[19:25] <mithodin> but my ears won't believe me
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[19:35] <chaoshax> Do you know what?
[19:35] <chaoshax> I think it's caused by a flipping ip conflict
[19:35] <mithodin> what is?
[19:35] <chaoshax> This problem.
[19:35] <chaoshax> X not forwarding
[19:36] <mithodin> ah
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[19:55] <ringzy> my RaspberryPi arrived yesterday
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> your third one?
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[19:57] <ringzy> no I only have 1
[19:57] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok, most people have 3 now
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[19:57] <ringzy> and your point is?
[19:58] <PhonicUK> I want to get a 2nd one
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> nothing, just lying.
[19:58] <haltdef> I struggled to find a use for one tbh
[20:00] <chancellorsmith> hmmm - audio i do modprobe snd_bcm2835 and i can aplay a few wavs, but then it stops working ! any ideas ?
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[20:00] <chancellorsmith> i'm in arch
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[20:00] <ShiftPlusOne> anything interesting in dmesg?
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[20:02] <chancellorsmith> well hmmm??? i get positive output on the modprobe, ends with ### BCM2835 ALSA driver init OK ###
[20:02] <PhonicUK> chancellorsmith, define"stops working" ?
[20:02] <chancellorsmith> then i play a wav and I hear it and get ??? snd_bcm2835_playback_open:97 Alsa open (0) ??? snd_bcm2835_playback_close:167 Alsa close
[20:02] <chancellorsmith> silence
[20:02] <PhonicUK> are you using HDMI for audio output?
[20:03] <chancellorsmith> no, headless with some speakers connected to the 3.5mm jack
[20:03] <PhonicUK> that'd be why
[20:03] <PhonicUK> HDMI is the default audio output device
[20:03] <chancellorsmith> i should be clear i get a crackle each time i do the aplay ap11.wav command
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[20:03] <chancellorsmith> PhonicUK: it worked the first time
[20:04] <PhonicUK> have you installed alsa-utils?
[20:04] <chancellorsmith> yip - pacman -S alsa-utils
[20:04] <PhonicUK> head into alsamixer
[20:04] <chancellorsmith> ok
[20:04] <PhonicUK> see if you can make any more sense of it from there
[20:04] <chancellorsmith> ok, got it.
[20:04] <chancellorsmith> am in
[20:04] <chancellorsmith> ok
[20:05] <chancellorsmith> yes - interesting that
[20:06] <PhonicUK> what'd you find?
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[20:07] <chancellorsmith> hmm, not the most intuitive UI !
[20:08] <ShiftPlusOne> alsamixer not intuitive? O_o
[20:09] <chancellorsmith> errr, F6 seems interesting, says device 0 is my card??? i think
[20:09] <chancellorsmith> default is -
[20:12] <chancellorsmith> grrr - at a loss, why would it play a wav file the first couple of times then cease to do it ??? wierdness
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[20:14] <craig1> alsamixer is an awesome ncruses interface
[20:14] <craig1> ncurses*
[20:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyone know of a good noob-friendly way to install modules once they're compiled? I am thinking rsync, but that may throw some people off, so the only way I can think of is just copying it straight to sdcard.
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[20:15] <ShiftPlusOne> well not 'copying' but modules_install
[20:15] <craig1> ShiftPlusOne: yeah a package manager ;)
[20:16] <ShiftPlusOne> craig1, doesn't help the people who want to add missing features
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[20:17] <craig1> ShiftPlusOne: can't it be packaged?
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[20:18] <ShiftPlusOne> not every single combination of modules for every distro someone might be interested in
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[20:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> @ShiftPlusOne copy them into a folder in /boot and have a script auto copy them into the requisite folder on startup?
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, that will be one of the loader features, but I am trying to keep it vanilla for the tutorial. I'll just tell them to mount the sdcard and install the modules there directly
[20:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> After recompiling all my modules 3 times and compiling my kernel (all on the Pi) and still not getting a working module for something I wanted to do, I welcome noob friendly :D
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[20:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: only linux users will be able to mount ext4?
[20:30] <ShiftPlusOne> screw windows users, I don't expect them to compile the modules themselves without switching to linux or using a vm.
[20:30] <wiijii> Anyone compiled uvc module for webcam goodness?
[20:30] <hamitron> "screw windows users", enuf sed
[20:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: I can't mount ext4 on the Mac :D
[20:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> Actually... I haven't tried doing it manually
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, well whose fault is that?
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> but really macs don't have ext2-4 support?
[20:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm actually not sure
[20:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hold on, :D
[20:32] * ShiftPlusOne grumbles "psh... mac users" =p
[20:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not my fault I have good taste :D
[20:33] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, i'd agree, but I noticed there's a lot more interest in pi tutorials from windows users.
[20:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Good taste in bad computers... >=/
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[20:33] <hamitron> hehe
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> (nuh, I like macs, I just prefer pcs)
[20:34] <chaoshax> So the problem is that even with the -X flag, it's not setting $DISPLAY
[20:34] <chaoshax> Odd right?
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> chaoshax, you're still on about that?
[20:34] <chaoshax> Yeah
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> and you got that ip conflict sorted?
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[20:35] <chaoshax> It wasn't ip conflict it was just me thinking there was one.
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[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> just to try it though, try "DISPLAY=:10.0 lxterminal" after starting ssh with x forwarding
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[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> and stick to -Y rather than -X for now
[20:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> Nope, I'm not being dense; no ext support
[20:36] <chaoshax> Wait it might be coming..
[20:36] <chaoshax> Just tried DISPLAY=localhost:10.0 and it seems like it might be doing something
[20:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> Which is pretty shoddy, Macs should have it
[20:36] <PhonicUK> anyone know if there are any decent console emulators that work on the Pi?
[20:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> But I keep a linux computer handy anyway
[20:36] <PhonicUK> namely snes/genesit
[20:36] <PhonicUK> *genesis
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[20:38] <chaoshax> Bleh I will just wait and see what happens, might try arch later on.
[20:39] <wiijii> Could anyone point me towards some info about compiling modules for Pi?
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[20:39] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, working on a tutorial right now. Are you cross-compiling or not?
[20:40] <wiijii> I have no idea. I've compiled modules/kernels (long) before but I don't know what cross compiling is
[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> cross-compiling is compiling arm binaries on your regular (fast computer)
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[20:41] <wiijii> Aha. I guess I could do either
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[20:41] <craig1> http://www.youtube.com/?v=csW_WnIDQtw
[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> ok download the cross-compiler: git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools.git
[20:41] <craig1> chris_99: found a video for you ;)
[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> and kernel source: git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> cd into the linux dir
[20:42] <craig1> <3 Russia Today
[20:42] <chris_99> haha
[20:42] <chris_99> i'll have a look in a mo
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ./scripts/extract-ikconfig /path/to/kernel.img > .config
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[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> make ARCH=arm menuconfig
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> do whatever you need to in menuconfig
[20:42] <chaoshax> I got a VM letter saying I am a heavy user
[20:43] <chaoshax> Stupid monopolist twits
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> then run something like make ARCH="arm" CROSS_COMPILE="/home/shift/dev/tools/arm-bcm2708/x86-linux64-cross-arm-linux-hardfp/bin/arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi-" modules
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> replace the cross_compile path with the right path
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> that will compile the modules
[20:43] <hamitron> chaoshax, gonna cut down to 3 blue movies a day now then?
[20:44] <chaoshax> Of course :P
[20:44] <chaoshax> These linux distros destroy my bandwidth
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[20:44] <ShiftPlusOne> sudo make modules_install INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/media/where/you/have/your/mmcblk0p1/mounted/
[20:44] <ShiftPlusOne> and there you go... all compiled and installed
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[20:45] <wiijii> Alright, giving it a go now
[20:45] <ShiftPlusOne> wait nothere should be ARCH="arm" in the last command as well
[20:45] <PhonicUK> wooot, visualboyadvance :D
[20:45] <ShiftPlusOne> sudo make ARCH="arm" modules_install INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/media/where/you/have/your/mmcblk0p1/mounted/
[20:45] <wiijii> OK, and /mmcblk... is where the SD is mounted?
[20:46] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, the actual system partition, not the fat16 partition
[20:46] <wiijii> OK. The headers checkout is not working at the mo
[20:46] <ShiftPlusOne> what headers?
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[20:47] <wiijii> The second git checkout
[20:47] <ShiftPlusOne> what does it say? it should work
[20:47] <wiijii> Oop there it goes
[20:47] <wiijii> It just hung a while on "cloning ..."
[20:47] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe I pasted the link wrong
[20:47] <wiijii> No no
[20:47] <wiijii> It's working now
[20:47] <ShiftPlusOne> git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git
[20:47] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
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[20:51] <ShiftPlusOne> straight to op ey?
[20:52] <wiijii> Where is the kernel.img?
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> on the first sdcard partition
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> the fat16 one
[20:53] <wiijii> Got it, thanks
[20:56] <wiijii> One thing that may be noob-tutorial material: My path/to/linux had spaces in, so make menuconfig failed
[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> use quote marks
[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> "
[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> around the whole path
[20:57] <wiijii> Yeah I know, but I was just thinking that for someone unfamiliar, running from the linux directory, it could be confusing
[20:57] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I'd definitely include the quote marks in the actual tutorial
[20:58] <ShiftPlusOne> but to specifically state things like that I think would be counter-productive... trying to stick to the minimum information required to get it done
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[20:58] <wiijii> Yeah maybe
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[21:02] <PhonRaspPi> i have working NES emulator on my Pi!
[21:02] <ShiftPlusOne> which one and how's the performance and sound?
[21:03] <mrdragons> Cool, is it workng at a decent speed?
[21:03] <PhonRaspPi> no sound but that may be my setup, perfectly good speed
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[21:03] <ShiftPlusOne> great
[21:04] <PhonRaspPi> apt-get install nes-emulator
[21:04] <PhonRaspPi> xD
[21:04] <PhonRaspPi> also there's visualboyadvance-gtk
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[21:04] <PhonRaspPi> s
[21:05] <mrdragons> Still haven't ordered mine yet, I'm waiting until I can place an order without being put on a list. :P
[21:05] * onefreeman makes notes
[21:05] <chaoshax> That won't happen for ages
[21:05] <PhonRaspPi> mrdragons, you'll be waiting a looong time
[21:05] <wiijii> ShiftPlusOne Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what should the CROSS_COMPILE path be?
[21:05] <mrdragons> Yeah, I'm not in a big rush to get one.
[21:05] <ShiftPlusOne> wiiguy, it's where you downloaded "tools"
[21:05] <wiijii> Doh
[21:05] <ShiftPlusOne> + all that extra stuff
[21:06] <ShiftPlusOne> tools/arm-bcm2708/x86-linux64-cross-arm-linux-hardfp/bin/arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi
[21:06] <ShiftPlusOne> assuming you're running 64bit linux
[21:06] <wiijii> Yes I am
[21:06] <ShiftPlusOne> then that should do it
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[21:07] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, you should compile the kernel as well though
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[21:07] <ShiftPlusOne> same thing, but instead of make_modules you use 'Image'
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[21:08] <wiijii> And kernel.img?
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[21:08] <ShiftPlusOne> if you have the latest firmware Image IS kernel.img... you'll need to copy linux/arc/arm/boot/Image to the sdcard as kernel.img
[21:08] <ShiftPlusOne> *linux/arch...*
[21:09] <ShiftPlusOne> if you don't have latest firmware, then there's an extra step.... but get the latest firmware instead >=/
[21:09] <wiijii> Losing me a little. How do I know I have the latest firmware?
[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> you can download it from here https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> you'll need bootcode.bin, loader.bin and start.elf
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[21:13] <wiijii> is that cross-compile path correct? /arm-bcm...gnuabi?
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[21:13] <ShiftPlusOne> wiiguy, where is 'tools' located?
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[21:13] <wiijii> In my home directory
[21:13] <wiijii> Well, in a subdir
[21:13] <ShiftPlusOne> which is?
[21:14] <ShiftPlusOne> bloody hell, I hate nick tab completing when it doesn't work
[21:14] <ShiftPlusOne> ....which is? what's the full directory path to tools?
[21:14] <wiijii> /home/thomas/Work/Pi/Cross-Compiling/tools/arm-bcm2708/x86-linux64-cross-arm-linux-hardfp/arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi
[21:15] <ShiftPlusOne> CROSS_COMPILE="/home/thomas/Work/Pi/Cross-Compiling/tools/arm-bcm2708/x86-linux64-cross-arm-linux-hardfp/bin/arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi-"
[21:15] <ShiftPlusOne> you missed the '-' at the end
[21:16] <wiijii> Ah, no, I missed the /bin
[21:16] <ShiftPlusOne> that too
[21:16] <wiijii> I did actually have the dash! Heh
[21:16] <ShiftPlusOne> not in what you pasted above >=/
[21:16] <wiijii> Is the firmware just copied to the SD? Or flashed somewhere?
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> just copied over the existing files
[21:17] <wiijii> (No, I know, I missed the end! Argh)
[21:17] <wiijii> OK
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[21:18] <wiijii> Alright, there it goes...
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[21:18] <ShiftPlusOne> btw, if it doesn't work, I take no responsobility, make sure your old kernel.img is backed up
[21:19] <wiijii> Too late, you can't absolve responsibility after I've started compiling
[21:19] <PhonRaspPi> hmm
[21:19] <ShiftPlusOne> you haven't deleted kernel.img yet, so back it up
[21:19] <PhonRaspPi> sound does not work too well when X is running for some reason
[21:19] <wiijii> I will, I'm only joking
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[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, as a side note, instead of setting that cross-compiler prefix every single time, you can just add it in menuconfig under general setup->Cross-compiler tool prefix
[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> then you can just 'make ARCH=arm modules'
[21:23] <wiijii> OK, thanks
[21:24] <wiijii> Still compiling, guessing it will be a while to do this and then also compil kernel
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> not too long
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> probably 5-10 minutes all up
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[21:27] <nelson> raspi ordered ... "5 weeks for delivery". :(
[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> 5 weeks is pretty good
[21:27] <[SLB]> 5 weeks lucky you
[21:27] <PhonRaspPi> am i allowed to feel smug for having mine already?
[21:27] <wiijii> Just to reiterate, what is the kernel compilation procedure?
[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> some people are stupid and haven't even ordered yet, so 5 weeks is really good.
[21:28] * mjr is stupid
[21:28] <mjr> decided to not bother with ordering and wait till a local Farnell rep has them
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> make ARCH="arm" CROSS_COMPILE="/home/thomas/Work/Pi/Cross-Compiling/tools/arm-bcm2708/x86-linux64-cross-arm-linux-hardfp/bin/arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi-" Image -j5
[21:28] <mjr> 'course, that means July at earliest
[21:28] <wiijii> Thanks
[21:29] <[SLB]> i've ordered it time ago and it says july/august
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> or all together make ARCH="arm" CROSS_COMPILE="/home/thomas/Work/Pi/Cross-Compiling/tools/arm-bcm2708/x86-linux64-cross-arm-linux-hardfp/bin/arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi-" Image modules -j5
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> that's just a compile though, not install of any kind.
[21:29] <wiijii> Yep, cool. Still compiling modules...
[21:29] <mjr> well, an acquaintance that did the same actually got his already. Because his local farnell rep decided to order just the one anyway ;)
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[21:35] <wiijii> OK modules compiled, kernel compiling
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[21:37] <wiijii> Is the kernel image copied to install?
[21:38] <ShiftPlusOne> You'll need to do that, yes
[21:38] <ShiftPlusOne> cp arch/arm/boot/Image /over/the/old/kernel.img
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[21:39] <wiijii> OK
[21:39] <ShiftPlusOne> and I expect a jar of cookies for all the help, by the way.
[21:41] <wiijii> Nutella stuffed cookies OK? My speciality :-D
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[21:41] <ShiftPlusOne> that'll do
[21:41] <wiijii> Much appreciated though, thank you.
[21:41] <wiijii> Here goes the module install...
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[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> wait
[21:42] <wiijii> Argh
[21:42] * oldtopman waits
[21:42] <wiijii> Too late
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> make sure you have INSTALL_MOD_PATH right
[21:43] <ShiftPlusOne> oldtopman, carry on
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[21:43] <oldtopman> Thank you kind sir.
[21:43] <wiijii> The system partition, right?
[21:43] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, I like this guy.... oldtopman is my second favourite person on this channel.
[21:43] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, yup
[21:44] <wiijii> Cool
[21:44] <wiijii> Er, where does the new kernel.img go after compiling?
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> we've been over this,
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[21:44] <wiijii> I don't mean where is it copied
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> the same place you've put the firmware
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> oh
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> then?
[21:45] <wiijii> I mean, I've compiled it in the /linux directory
[21:45] <wiijii> And presumably it's placed in there somewhere.
[21:45] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, we've been over that as well
[21:45] <ShiftPlusOne> arch/arm/boot/Imag
[21:45] <ShiftPlusOne> e
[21:45] <wiijii> Indeed you did say that
[21:45] <piless_> I am the favourite
[21:45] <wiijii> Missed that bit!
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[21:48] <wiijii> OK, I think that's it...
[21:48] <ShiftPlusOne> damn, oldtopman is gone =(
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[21:49] <ShiftPlusOne> hurray
[21:49] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, boots alright?
[21:49] <oldtopman> Yeah, my internet sucks, and lansiir is my alt.
[21:49] <wiijii> Just going to check...
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, I don't like lansiir
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[21:54] <wiijii> Argh, no boot
[21:54] <wiijii> Hehe
[21:54] <ShiftPlusOne> sure you've got the firmware right?
[21:54] <wiijii> I believe so. I copied over those three files
[21:54] <ShiftPlusOne> can you 'md5sum *' in that directory?
[21:55] <wiijii> Sure, 2 secs
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[21:56] <wiijii> Done
[21:57] <ShiftPlusOne> pastebin it
[21:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> The whole internet is too bright, I might have to start overriding CSS :D
[21:58] <wiijii> http://pastebin.com/q7uZh5rF
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> no
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> bad wiijii !
[21:58] <wiijii> :-S
[21:58] <wiijii> Wha?
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> those are all wrong
[21:58] <wiijii> Really?!
[21:59] <wiijii> I didn't change the others...
[21:59] <ShiftPlusOne> the important ones are wrong
[21:59] <wiijii> damn
[21:59] <ShiftPlusOne> start.elf, loader.bin and bootcode.bin
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[22:01] <ShiftPlusOne> wget https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/raw/master/boot/{start.elf,loader.bin,bootcode.bin}
[22:02] <wiijii> http://pastebin.com/fS8gbsH1
[22:02] <wiijii> They might be a bit healthier
[22:02] <ShiftPlusOne> nope, you're doing something wrong... maybe downloading the html files instead of the raw binaries
[22:03] <ShiftPlusOne> the command I pasted above should do it
[22:04] <wiijii> Yeah that looks better
[22:04] <wiijii> (larger)
[22:04] <wiijii> http://pastebin.com/8RQ3Ts5b
[22:04] <ShiftPlusOne> perfect
[22:04] <ShiftPlusOne> try booting now =D
[22:06] <ShiftPlusOne> but to explain what you did wrong... you downloaded the webpage showing information about the files rather than the files themselves.
[22:07] <wiijii> Yay!
[22:07] <ShiftPlusOne> all good?
[22:07] <wiijii> Yeah, I understand
[22:07] <wiijii> Need the raw files
[22:08] <wiijii> Thanks so much for the time
[22:08] <ShiftPlusOne> no worries
[22:08] <ShiftPlusOne> helps with the tutorial if I know what steps are ambiguous
[22:08] <ShiftPlusOne> seems like all of them >=/
[22:09] <wiijii> Hmmm well no, I think it mostly makes sense
[22:09] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, once you've done it once or twice and know what can go wrong
[22:09] <wiijii> If it was written and formatted nicely it would be easier; I missed a few points because they got lost in the chat
[22:09] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[22:10] <wiijii> With regards to the firmware: why was it necessary to get the latest one? In future, if I recompile, do I need the latest firmware?
[22:11] <wiijii> Or was there just an issue with the specific previous firmware
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, nuh it will be fine without updates
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[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> the older firmware required a bit of voodoo to be added to the kernel (first32k)
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> with the new firmware you can copy the 'Image' file directly
[22:11] <wiijii> Aha, I see
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[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne> and I want people to update everything ASAP since then my 'xecloader' will work out of the box without the need to compile anything
[22:13] <wiijii> Heh, although I am getting an issue modprobing that new module (invalid module format)
[22:13] <ShiftPlusOne> well that's not good
[22:13] <wiijii> Nurp
[22:14] <ShiftPlusOne> run 'file' on the module.ko file you're modprobing
[22:15] <wiijii> ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
[22:16] <ShiftPlusOne> well then.... good luck
[22:16] <ShiftPlusOne> (not familiar with this problem)
[22:16] <wiijii> dmesg complains about "no symbol version for module_layout"
[22:16] <wiijii> I shall persevere
[22:16] <wiijii> Cheers for the help
[22:16] <ShiftPlusOne> that sounds familiar
[22:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hydra energetic x-treme turbo booster, for people who can't afford cocaine
[22:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> ( that's actually the title of a mens' shower gel or deodorant or something in the UK )
[22:17] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe something to do with modules.symbols, modules.dep or something like that
[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> like old files interfering with new... but I am just guessing
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[22:19] <piless_> Gadgetoid_Air: never heard of it
[22:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless_: consider yourself lucky, knowing our society is dumb enough to make products like that commercially viable is profoundly depressing
[22:20] <piless_> Gadgetoid_Air: I just stick to the standard sure men.
[22:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> I shower :D
[22:21] <piless_> I like it because it doesn't really leave a strong odor on you all day
[22:22] <craig1> Gadgetoid_Air: but I heard Wayne Rooney uses that product so it *must* be worth buying
[22:22] <chaoshax> I should have been born in the 19th Century, I use a fountain pen and DE razor :p
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> chaoshax: Just don't get them mixed up.
[22:23] <piless_> fountain pens really suck. They ALWAYS manage to leak on me.
[22:23] <chaoshax> That would be painful.
[22:23] <piless_> chaoshax: safety razors have come back into fashion the last couple of years, but I can't be bothered with all the fuss.
[22:24] <chaoshax> It's worth it
[22:24] <piless_> special brush and all
[22:24] <chaoshax> I feel like a 12 year old again
[22:24] <chaoshax> And I bought 100 razors for ?7
[22:24] <piless_> I don't really want to feel like a 12 year old
[22:24] <chaoshax> 100 blades*
[22:24] <craig1> consumerism is brain damaged....
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, this might be an option.... log into your pi, mount the linux directory using sshfs, cd into it and "make modules_install" straight from the pi over the network
[22:27] <wiijii> OK, will try. I'm just reading up on this issue ; some people have solved it by installing the correct linux-headers
[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... yeah that might be a thing
[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> shouldn't be, but worth a shot
[22:28] <wiijii> Not on Pi though
[22:28] <ShiftPlusOne> headers_install, but I am not sure into which folder it should go
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[22:29] <ShiftPlusOne> the same way as you installed the modules, but use INSTALL_HDR_PATH="something goes here, I am not sure what" headers_install
[22:29] <chaoshax> Does anyone else think the LEDS look cool in the evening?
[22:30] <piless> no
[22:30] <chaoshax> Must be just me then :(
[22:30] <piless> the LEDs are in a silly position, they are never going to look good in a case, even with light guides
[22:31] <wiijii> /usr/include is the default
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[22:31] <wiijii> Could be worth a go
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[22:33] <ShiftPlusOne> can you "ls -la /lib/modules/(your kernel version)/" and pastebin the output?
[22:34] <ShiftPlusOne> might be a broken symlink there
[22:35] <wiijii> Aha
[22:35] <wiijii> build and source are point to /home/thomas/...
[22:35] <wiijii> *pointing
[22:35] <ShiftPlusOne> perhaps you need to point it back to where it was (where the headers are installed)
[22:36] <wiijii> They both point to the same folder, is that normal?
[22:36] <wiijii> (build and source)
[22:36] <ShiftPlusOne> anyone running debian here?
[22:37] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, you're on debian, not arch, yeah?
[22:37] <wiijii> Correct
[22:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ok
[22:37] <ShiftPlusOne> it's the 'build' link that's important there
[22:37] <ShiftPlusOne> what do you have in /usr/src ?
[22:38] <wiijii> Nothing
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[22:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, then it's too different from arch.
[22:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ask someone who runs debian where their build dir links to and fix it
[22:39] <wiijii> Will do
[22:39] <ShiftPlusOne> and in the future , just use a fake path then copy from there to the sd card to make sure there's no messing around with symlinks I guess
[22:39] <wiijii> Could there be an issue there with the previous build link pointing to old-kernel files?
[22:39] <ShiftPlusOne> that's how I've been doing it so far
[22:39] <ShiftPlusOne> no
[22:40] <ShiftPlusOne> it's pointing to a non-existant path (double check that)
[22:40] <ShiftPlusOne> the "old-kernel files" are the same version of the kernel
[22:40] <ShiftPlusOne> and that's all that matters there AFAIK
[22:40] <wiijii> Yes, for sure it is. What I mean is, I've now compiled a new kernel. If I haven't installed the new headers...
[22:40] <wiijii> Ah right
[22:40] <wiijii> OK, got you
[22:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Debian users!? =(
[22:42] <wiijii> On my Ubuntu install build points to /usr/src/linux-headers-<kernel>
[22:42] <ShiftPlusOne> you said /usr/src was empty though
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[22:42] <wiijii> On the Pi, yes it is
[22:43] <wiijii> Could I copy the linux folder from my desktop (where I compiled) and point ubild there?
[22:43] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[22:43] <ShiftPlusOne> that will work... but will take a while to copy
[22:44] <wiijii> Yeah 1.2Gb, hmm
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[22:45] <wiijii> Oh, not that much actually
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[22:46] <ShiftPlusOne> don't know for sure if it will work though
[22:46] <wiijii> Do you know what header_install copies? I guess that all that is required
[22:46] <wiijii> Well, I can try copying it for now
[22:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I think so, I am just not sure where... you could try installing it to /usr/src/linux-headers, then pointing build there
[22:47] <raynerd> Does anyone know if anyone has run a single stepper motor from their Pi yet? there are loads of pre-release "i`m going to run a stepper" posts on various forums but I can`t find anyone who has actually done it yet
[22:47] <wiijii> Yep that's what I'm going to do to test
[22:47] <lars_t_h> i am the only that had got out the (RS) queue and bought 1 RasPi, but only got a "within 3 weeks it will be delivered" message?
[22:48] <lars_t_h> it was 2 weeks ago
[22:49] <PhonicUK> lo all
[22:49] <piless> hi
[22:49] <PhonicUK> loving the 1080p output on the Pi :D
[22:49] <piless> lars_t_h: I don't quite understand
[22:49] <lars_t_h> raynerd, you can use a microcontrollers PWM 2 control a stepper mortor
[22:50] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, wait... this might be stupid, but it might be because you compiled the modules first and then the kernel rather than the other way around
[22:50] <lars_t_h> piless, out of Rs wueu: chekc, bought a pi: check, delivered: no
[22:50] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, https://sites.google.com/a/davidsingleton.org/www2/home/stuff-i-had-to-do-to-get-raspberry-pi-debian-image-working
[22:50] <lars_t_h> *blah
[22:51] <lars_t_h> *s/wueu/queue
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[22:51] <wiijii> *read*
[22:51] <piless> how long has it been since you ordered with rs?
[22:51] <lars_t_h> piless, 2 weeks + 2 days
[22:51] <wiijii> Interesting, I'll try that
[22:52] <piless> where do you live?
[22:52] <raynerd> Yes, thank you. My question is, has anyone used a pi yet?
[22:52] <piless> raynerd: no
[22:52] <raynerd> ok,
[22:52] <lars_t_h> Denmark, the Pi will be delivered from the UK, AFAIK
[22:52] <lars_t_h> piless, ^
[22:53] <D34TH> Used S-Video output to my plain old CRT TV
[22:53] <D34TH> dafuq
[22:53] <D34TH> svideo?
[22:53] <raynerd> I`m turning into a hater...
[22:53] <mjr> they mean composite
[22:53] <D34TH> i know
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[22:55] <lars_t_h> raynerd, hater?
[22:55] <craig1> ...gonna hate
[22:56] <lars_t_h> stepper motor control isn't that complicated with PWM
[22:57] <wiijii> Make clean or some such necessary before recompiling?
[22:57] <chaoshax> Do the people who use bench power supplies just strip the mini usb capable or are there some pins?
[22:58] <lars_t_h> Stepper motor controller DIY video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKmNdZ9LmYo
[22:58] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, can't hurt
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[23:01] <lars_t_h> I had seen an interesting tiling window manager: , look to be a good choice for the Pi (low on RAM usage and CPU usage)
[23:02] <lars_t_h> 11 MB download on my primary desktop, x86
[23:02] <wiijii> Just for the record, copying the linux dir over did not work
[23:02] <wiijii> Currently recompiling kernel
[23:02] <lars_t_h> Link: http://i3wm.org
[23:03] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, good... that would be an annoying fix to include in the tutorial.
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[23:08] <wiijii> OK... kernel compiled. Modules now
[23:10] <ShiftPlusOne> just to eliminate other possible sources of error, install them the same way you did it the first time.
[23:10] <wiijii> Yep, will do. I'm still going to run into the symlink issue though, no?
[23:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think that's actually a real issue
[23:11] <GabrialDestruir> Oh right.... I'm suppose to work on the triboot today. lol
[23:11] <ShiftPlusOne> unless you're compiling third party kernel-related stuff like virtualbox modules and such
[23:12] <wiijii> Alright. I'll update when installed again
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[23:14] <GabrialDestruir> I need to go look through each FS and try and figure out how I can best save space in each.
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[23:14] <nid0> cant you setup the next partition over the network?
[23:15] <GabrialDestruir> I could.
[23:15] <GabrialDestruir> Well theoretically
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[23:17] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, weeeeeel?
[23:18] <wiijii> :-D Still compiling, these modules take ages!
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[23:30] <wiijii> Hmm modules_install fails
[23:30] <wiijii> oh
[23:30] <ShiftPlusOne> ?
[23:30] <PhonicUK> i wonder how big a panel you'd need to supply 5v at 1A
[23:30] <wiijii> Uh oh
[23:30] <PhonicUK> solar panel taht is
[23:31] <wiijii> I missed the INSTALL_MOD_PATH
[23:31] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, well you're screwed then
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[23:31] <ShiftPlusOne> running debian?
[23:31] <wiijii> Yes
[23:31] <wiijii> Whoops
[23:32] <wiijii> Hmmm it has only created a dir in my /lib/modules hasn't it?
[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, yeah, ideally it's just /lib/modules/outdated kernel you're not using
[23:33] <wiijii> Yep
[23:33] <ShiftPlusOne> then you're fine
[23:33] <wiijii> Right, let's see if this boots
[23:33] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, you're the embodiment of Murphy's law.
[23:34] <wiijii> Haha yeah it's not going swimmingly is it
[23:34] <wiijii> Hopefully though it means it will go more smoothly for someone else
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it's a learning experience
[23:34] <GabrialDestruir> XBMC shouldn't conflict with itself even if it's running on two different distros, right?
[23:34] <PhonicUK> hey ive got a USB remote control somewhere
[23:34] <PhonicUK> i should try it on my pi
[23:35] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, don't see how they could
[23:35] <wiijii> Module loaded! YAY!
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> well wasn't that simple? >_<
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> note to self: KERNEL FIRST!
[23:36] <wiijii> Wish it had been harder to be honest
[23:36] <wiijii> Thanks again
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> that's what she said
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> no... wait...
[23:36] <wiijii> Weeey
[23:36] <wiijii> Hehe
[23:37] <GabrialDestruir> You said to grab the /linux git for kernel right?
[23:37] <wiijii> Right, the webcam doesn't actually work (segfault) but Cheese does actually try to do something. I think I'll call it a night for now though
[23:37] <GabrialDestruir> From the raspberry stuff?
[23:37] <wiijii> Thanks again Shift
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[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, correct
[23:37] <GabrialDestruir> kk
[23:37] <GabrialDestruir> Grabbing that now.
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> wiijii, nuh thank you... saved me the trouble figuring this out
[23:38] <wiijii> I guess we both learned a little :-D
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[23:38] <GabrialDestruir> Hm...
[23:38] <wiijii> Right, I'd better hit the sack.
[23:38] <wiijii> Night all, will catch you back here soon no doubt
[23:39] <chaoshax> Umm, does anyone else think it's not a good idea to have a default password and username?
[23:39] <chaoshax> maybe we should prompt it to change>
[23:39] <chaoshax> I am sure that there will be people scanning for unchanged raspberry pi's soon.
[23:39] <GabrialDestruir> If you want security, you can add your own user and delete pi
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[23:40] <chaoshax> GabrialDestruir, Yes but again a lot of people won't notice the risk.
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[23:40] <chaoshax> The majority of people who buy these will have never used linux
[23:40] <GabrialDestruir> and on some Distros (OpenELEC I'm looking at you!)
[23:40] <GabrialDestruir> there's no option to even change that info.
[23:41] <ShiftPlusOne> chaoshax, learning the hard way is the best way! =D
[23:41] <ShiftPlusOne> sure there is... you modify the options file before building, don't lie.
[23:41] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
[23:41] <GabrialDestruir> 3+ hours to build for a simple password change?
[23:41] <chaoshax> ShiftPlusOne, That is true, but this was my thought when I saw there was not even a prompt to change it.
[23:41] <GabrialDestruir> Seems a little ridiculous to me.
[23:42] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, no, 3 hour compile because that's part of how that distro works
[23:42] <ShiftPlusOne> you're working with pre-alpha software there
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir> If they just added in passwd properly it wouldn't be such an issue. But alas.... they have not.
[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> you can't add it properly, it's an initrd image
[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> any changes you make outside of storage are temporary
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[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> and /etc is outside of storage
[23:43] <GabrialDestruir> There's still ways you could do it.
[23:43] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: Still reading and poking around trying to figure out this recompile thing...
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[23:44] <GabrialDestruir> A modified version of passwd could make the password change and unpackage and repackage with the new change.
[23:44] <kwixson_> ...stuck on where/how to enable UVC
[23:44] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, have you got to menuconfig?
[23:44] <GabrialDestruir> "update" to you new package and voila instant security
[23:45] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, its easy: 1. on a normal install dont use "ssh" in cmdline.txt, then ssh is disabled, so no security issue 2. openelec is not designed to be security, you should use other methods instead running security tools on a mediacenter. 3. you cant, i mean you really cant change the rootfs even as root, so there is no issue too
[23:45] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, contribute that patch to srau e
[23:45] <chaoshax> So is raspbian any good?
[23:45] <chaoshax> Or am I the only one running squeeze?
[23:45] <haltdef> think you are
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[23:46] <GabrialDestruir> raspbian was built for Pi
[23:46] <haltdef> you can run wheezy armel if you want :P
[23:46] <GabrialDestruir> squeeze wasn't
[23:46] <kwixson_> ShiftPlusOne: No. To the step right before that.
[23:46] <fakker> no one running raspbmc?
[23:46] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, you'll enable all that stuff during menuconfig
[23:46] <chaoshax> That's true, I think I will try raspbian tomorrow.
[23:47] <GabrialDestruir> Also another method could be to store passwd or w/e in storage somewhere, and just symlink it into /etc/
[23:47] <GabrialDestruir> Then you could still modify it
[23:47] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, did you follow the discussion I had with wiijii?
[23:47] <kwixson_> No. Just now?
[23:47] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, you have full samba access on storage, with the possible to change the samba config and add shares, now think, how secure will your password?
[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson_, start from [20:41] here http://srv.datagutt1.com/index.php?date=2012-05-27 make sure you compile the kernel before you compile the modules to avoid the trouble we were having.
[23:48] <GabrialDestruir> How hard would it honestly be to modify the storage so it's not all shared?
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[23:50] <GabrialDestruir> Also... if they have to worry about their samba shares they're got bigger issues than a single insecure device on their network.
[23:50] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, OpenELEC is a embedded OS, the criterias are different, or you can change the rootpassword on your TV/dvdplayer ?
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[23:50] <haltdef> I can on my satellite box
[23:51] <haltdef> and my router
[23:51] <wizkid057> so has anyone here in the USA received their pi from farnell export?
[23:51] <GabrialDestruir> I have.
[23:51] <GabrialDestruir> Usually my TV/DVD player doesn't come with a "root" password, but those that do I'm sure it's possible
[23:51] <wizkid057> GabrialDestruir: how long did it take from the time they said it was shipped?
[23:51] <GabrialDestruir> Couple days?
[23:51] <wizkid057> hmm
[23:52] <wizkid057> been about week for me
[23:52] <GabrialDestruir> It got here before the week they said it would arrive
[23:52] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, disable ssh and you are safe, or/and change the password at buildtime, there is no need for our target users to use ssh or a commandline
[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, since you're here, I am having some issues. When the splash screen goes away, my screen just stays black (just before VCHIQ failed... I forget the exact letters, but you know what I am talking about). Any idea how to check what's going on there?
[23:52] <wizkid057> hmm.... they gave me an estimated date when i first ordered back in Feb, but they overshot that by almost a month
[23:52] <onefreeman> wizkid057, I got the shipping email from farnell on the 24th and the parcel on the 26th
[23:53] <wizkid057> hmm, ok, i'm off a little bit..
[23:53] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, i would say to old bootloaderfiles?
[23:53] <wizkid057> I got the email on the 22nd, havent received it as of yet
[23:53] <wizkid057> probably get it Tuesday then
[23:53] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, brand new bootloader files... all fresh from github.
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, ( wget https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/raw/master/boot/{start.elf,loader.bin,bootcode.bin} )
[23:54] <sraue> they was not changed the last days?
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[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> I think they changed 4 days ago, but I re-download them every time
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[23:57] <sraue> hmmm regarding https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commits/caf963d8f9eb3fbd511dd7a1444814ace39215d9/boot/arm128_start.elf the last important change was 10 days ago...
[23:58] <sraue> can you login and paste the dmesg output with "dmesg | paste"
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[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, last time I tried, ssh didn't work, but I'll give it another spin
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