#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-05-28

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[0:00] <sraue> ok
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[0:03] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, no activity on ethernet there
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> I hate when I update ubuntu and some feature or setting I set is lost
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> hassle
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[0:05] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, lan should work, you dont have connected to much on usb?
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, no, but I'll try just the keyboard
[0:05] <kwixson> ShiftPlusOne: I can't even get past ./scripts/extract-ikconfig /boot/kernel.img > .config
[0:06] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson, can you provide more detail?
[0:06] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson, are you compiling on the pi itself?
[0:06] <kwixson> I just gives me a Usage: extract-ikconfig <kernel-image> response
[0:07] <PhonicUK> OpenTTD for the Pi!
[0:07] <PhonicUK> w00t
[0:09] <kwixson> ShiftPlusOne: Yes. On the pi
[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson, the instructions I gave him were for cross-compiling, so you'd need to figure out which parts are relevant and which aren't
[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson, try this then: zcat /proc/config.gz > .config
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[0:12] <kwixson> ShiftPlusOne: Okay, so that worked.
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[0:14] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, is there something exotic about the way openelec gets the videocore going?
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[0:14] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, not looking good at all http://pastebin.com/nS5P8A7U
[0:14] <sraue> no... which build you use? maybe i can provide tomorrow a new build for testing
[0:15] <kwixson> ShiftPlusOne: then make menuconfig gives me this: http://pastebin.com/bUQrhgrh
[0:15] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson, debian?
[0:15] <kwixson> ya
[0:16] <kwixson> Is it saying I don't have them on this computer, or in the sources?
[0:16] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the ncruses dev package called in debian?
[0:16] <GabrialDestruir> crap .-.
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[0:16] <Viperfang> is it not libncurses-dev?
[0:16] <GabrialDestruir> I forgot I need to clean up my downloads folder.
[0:16] <ShiftPlusOne> it might be something like libncurses5-dev
[0:17] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson, try apt-cache search ncurses | grep dev
[0:17] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, something is bad there aslo the 11 sec delay between 0.00 and 11.7 is to much, should be around 2 sec
[0:18] <ShiftPlusOne> that would be ahm... >.> kexec
[0:18] <ShiftPlusOne> probably
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[0:19] <kwixson> ShiftPlusOne: One of these? http://pastebin.com/uz3dz3ja
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[0:19] <sraue> hmmm ok... and kexec cant be the issue with vchiq ?
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[0:19] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, you raise a good point though, I should check that any of the accelerated stuff even works with the other distros after kexec.
[0:19] <kwixson> ShiftPlusOne: libncurses5-dev ?
[0:19] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[0:19] <ShiftPlusOne> apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[0:20] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, yes, try it and tell me :-)
[0:20] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, if it doesn't work then I am kind of back to square one on the kexec front =(
[0:21] <sraue> you have created your bootloader?
[0:21] <friggle> it wouldn't at all surprise me if vchiq did not like kexec
[0:22] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, yeah, a few people have played around with it and got dualbooting and booting off usb and such working with it, but I guess nobody tried any accelerated stuff yet
[0:23] <ShiftPlusOne> and bootc did say there were some videocore issues
[0:23] <sraue> yes... but nice you have done this... is there a repo somewhere where i can take a look?
[0:23] <mkopack> YAY! I think I just got my Ray tracer assignment done??? Reflections + Shadows. Seems to be working so I'm not going to dick with it
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[0:24] <haltdef> how's your ARM based sheldonbot coming along, mkopack
[0:24] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, nuh, just threw it in dropbox, hang on, i'll get the link
[0:24] <sraue> and ShiftPlusOne you are using one of the latest builds...? you have seen any speed improvenment in xbmc with using addons?
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[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh I haven't tried openelec since I started with the loader thing
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/XECLoader.tar.gz
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> you'll need to create a 'kernels' folder to throw the kernels in
[0:25] <ShiftPlusOne> and edit Menu.sh (it's self-explanatory)
[0:26] <GabrialDestruir> Any difference between that and the one I grabbed or they the same?
[0:26] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, does your Menu.sh have anything about printk?
[0:26] <GabrialDestruir> Nope
[0:27] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, cmdline.txt should contain the 'common' parameters for all distros and then that gets added to the ones you specify in Menu.sh
[0:27] <ShiftPlusOne> for each distro (you'll see once you open Menu.sh)
[0:28] <mkopack> haltdef: No time to work on it??? I am trying to get ROS running on the RPi though
[0:28] <mkopack> Just not having much luck trying to do it with Raspbian as the OS on the RPi
[0:29] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, add "echo "4 1 1 7" > /proc/sys/kernel/printk" just under the trap command and you've got the same thing.
[0:29] <haltdef> mebbe have better luck with armel?
[0:29] <mkopack> I'll be working on some ROS stuff real soon though??? Right after school gets done the week of June 11, I'm going to be heads down on ROS??? New project at work starting July 1 is going to be all ROS
[0:30] <mkopack> haltdef: Oh, I've been doing robotics stuff with the Arduinos??? But that's for small home stuff. I want something more powerful for some of the stuff I'm doing
[0:30] <sraue> you should try with adding BOOT_IMAGE=/<path>/<to>/kernel.img for openelec so eventually the update system will work (to know which kernel must be updated)
[0:31] <GabrialDestruir> Mkay
[0:32] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, ah, thanks. btw, openelec needs that kexec patch (http://xecdesign.com/downloads/XECLoader/linux-3.1.10-602-RPi_kexec_support.patch) to even boot.
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[0:33] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, will update this tomorrow
[0:34] <sraue> thanks for letting me know
[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, since it has been added to the main tree, it might be worth updating the RPi_support patch
[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, great, thank you
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[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> does this mean anything significant? vcos: [1]: vchiq: initialised - version 2 (min 2), device 252.0
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[0:38] <GabrialDestruir> Okay, got OpenELEC compiling with that patch you gave me, working now on trying to get my system setup for kernel compilation
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[0:41] * ShiftPlusOne just realised 'vc' stood for video core
[0:41] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[0:43] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: that's just the normal initialisation message
[0:43] <mkopack> Viet Cong?
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[0:45] <GabrialDestruir> Okay, I'm starting with Raspbmc's config. If I'm using the linux git do I need to enable specifics in the config? Like for kexec?
[0:45] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, sraue, yup, hello_triangle.bin doesn't work after kexec =( "vchiq_get_state: g_state.remote->initialised != 1 (0)vcos: [1679]: vchiq has no connection to VideoCore* failed to open vchiq instance"
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[0:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Any chance someone could reopen https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/27 so that I can post dmesg there?
[0:49] <Hexxeh> anyone looked at doing non-standard memory splits?
[0:49] <Hexxeh> could be fun
[0:51] <chris_99> what do you mean by memory split, i'm curious
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[0:51] <Hexxeh> as in, the split between ARM/GPU
[0:51] <chris_99> ah ok
[0:52] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: sure, I can do that
[0:52] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: done
[0:52] <GabrialDestruir> APPLY PATCH: packages/linux/patches/linux-3.1.10-602-RPi_kexec_support.patch patching file arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/power.c Hunk #1 FAILED at 161. 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/power.c.rej make: *** [system] Error 1
[0:52] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, thanks a lot.
[0:53] <chris_99> how would you adjust that Hexxeh
[0:53] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, no idea
[0:53] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, what does the patch look like, maybe I uploaded the wrong one
[0:55] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, should be this http://pastebin.com/BjTsqruU
[0:55] <shirro> is anyone doing an overvolt? woke up and felt like doing some warranty voiding this morning
[0:55] <GabrialDestruir> http://pastebin.com/W0jN9CuF
[0:55] <GabrialDestruir> That's what I've got.
[0:56] <Hexxeh> interesting
[0:56] <Hexxeh> about 4k bytes different between the 224MB and 192MB ELF files
[0:56] <GabrialDestruir> Yea...
[0:56] <GabrialDestruir> it looks correct
[0:57] <chris_99> the butterfly effect in code form maybe..
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[0:57] * Hexxeh cracks out IDA
[0:57] <Hexxeh> this can only end well...
[0:57] * D34TH cracks out hexxeh
[0:58] * fakker farts
[0:58] <D34TH> it shall be done
[0:58] <IT_Sean> eew
[0:58] <GabrialDestruir> Okay.... done with the building kernel bit, where's the actual file saved when it's done? .-.
[1:00] <GabrialDestruir> Ah
[1:00] <GabrialDestruir> found it.
[1:00] <ReggieUK> it's in /home/where/we/hide/stuff
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson, any luck?
[1:01] <GabrialDestruir> well /home/is/not/a/good/place/to/hide/stuff
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[1:02] <gordonDrogon> boing. midnight.
[1:02] * PhonicUK is compiling mupen64plus :)
[1:02] <GabrialDestruir> Not boring!
[1:02] <GabrialDestruir> We have dual-boot sort of.... and there's kernels to be built, and distros to be modified.
[1:02] <GabrialDestruir> So much to do!
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[1:07] <GabrialDestruir> wait I have to do modules to don't I .-.
[1:08] <Hexxeh> hurrah, managed to fix homebrew on mountain lion
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[1:11] <PhonicUK> hmmm this might just work!
[1:11] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, I think mupen64plus is gonna build :D
[1:11] <Hexxeh> won't run very fast
[1:11] <PhonicUK> it runs at full speed on an N900
[1:11] <Hexxeh> aren't there some static recompiler based emus for n64 now?
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[1:12] <PhonicUK> i reckon this'll be playable
[1:12] <Hexxeh> i can cross-compile it and find out... :P
[1:12] <Hexxeh> in any case, does it use opengles?
[1:12] <Hexxeh> how's it work?
[1:12] <PhonicUK> yes it does
[1:12] <Hexxeh> oh nice
[1:12] <PhonicUK> it plays nice with the openpandora
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[1:12] <PhonicUK> git://gitorious.org/mupen64plus-arm/mupen64plus-arm.git
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[1:13] <Hexxeh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_(emulator)
[1:13] <Hexxeh> it's really old, but the idea is sound
[1:14] <Hexxeh> compiling
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[1:33] <fakker> anyone had issues with HDMI on their TVs?
[1:33] <fakker> no signal; it's not the pi, only 1 of my TVs doesn't display
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[1:35] <PhonicUK> tried disabling overscan compenstation?
[1:35] <PhonicUK> or dropping to a lower resolution?
[1:36] <Hexxeh> might as well do a PS1 emulator whilst I'm at it...
[1:36] <GabrialDestruir> Okay... got my modules made.
[1:36] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, hows the muppen build going?
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[1:36] <Hexxeh> PhonicUK: couldn't cross-compile without hacking the makefile to death, so doing it natively
[1:36] <Hexxeh> got one doing Mupen, one doing PCSX
[1:36] <PhonicUK> mines building natively
[1:36] <Hexxeh> compiling new_dynarec.c atm
[1:37] <PhonicUK> just had to disable QT support and pull in all the dev libraries
[1:37] <PhonicUK> we'll be the first with N64 emus on our pis ^_^
[1:37] <Hexxeh> ripping my "crash bandicoot" cd as i type... :P
[1:37] <PhonicUK> hehe
[1:37] <fakker> lower resolutions work, seems to lock itself to 480p. disable_overscan=1 is set
[1:37] <Hexxeh> PCSX will probably finish first
[1:37] <GabrialDestruir> Uhm
[1:38] <fakker> i guess i'm too lazy to really do any work on it now
[1:38] <PhonicUK> fakker, 720i?
[1:38] <GabrialDestruir> this says to just copy lib/modules to lib/modules
[1:38] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, which PCSX sources are you using?
[1:38] <Hexxeh> git://notaz.gp2x.de/~notaz/pcsx_rearmed.git
[1:38] <GabrialDestruir> but the file in the freshly created modules folder has a + and the one from the OS doesn't
[1:38] <PhonicUK> righto
[1:38] <GabrialDestruir> does that matter?
[1:38] <Hexxeh> GabrialDestruir: yes
[1:39] <GabrialDestruir> 3.1.9-rls-12-05 and the new ones are 3.1.9-rls-12-05+ so just copy the new folder in and leave the old one?
[1:40] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, okay I'm also building pcsx
[1:40] <PhonicUK> both on the main debian image
[1:41] <PhonicUK> hmm, maybe i should just build one at a time xD
[1:42] <Hexxeh> sorted, two pis, one doing each... :p
[1:42] <Hexxeh> using third as my desktop
[1:42] <PhonicUK> :P
[1:42] <PhonicUK> i just have the one xD
[1:42] <mkopack> Hexxeh: Hey did you guys add something to Raspbian that causes it to do strict key checking on SSH ?
[1:42] <Hexxeh> isn't that default?
[1:43] <mkopack> Didn't have any issues SSH'ing in with my first setup, but the 2nd doesn't want to let me in without
[1:44] <plugwash> ssh by default will refuse to connect if a host key has changed
[1:44] <plugwash> whereas it will ask if no host key is known
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> Okay
[1:45] <mkopack> Hmm..
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> I'm guessing I didn't do this kernel right..
[1:45] <mkopack> Well, first setup, I was able to SSH in from my Mac Pro no problem.
[1:45] <mkopack> Now with my 2nd setup, I'm trying to SSH in from my macbook and it's not letting me
[1:45] <plugwash> so if you have used two different installs with the same IP address you will have to get rid of the key manually on the client before you can ssh into the new install
[1:45] <mkopack> because of the key checking
[1:45] <mkopack> Different IP addresses
[1:45] <mkopack> 1st Rpi has .106, second has .110
[1:46] <GabrialDestruir> How do I go about activating kexec?
[1:46] <mkopack> DHCP'ed
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[1:47] <Hexxeh> lol, gcc got killed, out of memory
[1:47] <Hexxeh> oh dear...
[1:47] <Hexxeh> makefile hackery will be required i think
[1:47] <GabrialDestruir> kexec system call.... anything else? .-.
[1:48] <SpeedEvil> swapon
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[1:48] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, which for?
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[1:49] <Hexxeh> Mupen
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[1:49] * Solarbaby wonders how many Raspberry PI's it would take to make 1 jarvis
[1:49] <PhonicUK> mm
[1:49] <PhonicUK> mines up to the dynarec, seems okay right now
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[1:49] <PhonicUK> i'm running at 86/186MB
[1:49] <plugwash> Hexxeh, is a Pi the only arm device you have?
[1:49] <D34TH> real men 0/256
[1:49] <PhonicUK> also got a 256MB swap file ready
[1:50] <Hexxeh> plugwash: yeah
[1:50] <Hexxeh> well, other than a bunch of iOS/Android devices
[1:50] <PhonicUK> i wish i could use my galaxy S2 to compile this xD
[1:51] <plugwash> PhonicUK, iirc there are tools for creating debian chroots on andriod.....
[1:51] <PhonicUK> aye there are
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[1:52] <plugwash> I guess the biggest issue would be storage, most phones don't have USB host :(
[1:52] <Hexxeh> nfs?
[1:52] <PhonicUK> microsd :)
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[1:52] <plugwash> IME sd cards SUCK at random access
[1:53] <plugwash> I use a USB hdd myself on my arm build system (a beagleboard XM)
[1:53] <PhonicUK> my device has just slowed to a crawl now its hitting swap
[1:53] <plugwash> IIRC nfs has some strange quirks, if you are going the network approach NBD is probablly the way to go
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> Swap over nbd
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> that
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> Even over wifi
[1:54] <PhonicUK> not using that much swap thankfully, only 40MB
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[1:54] <D34TH> heh swapfile over NAS
[1:54] <PhonicUK> lol
[1:54] <D34TH> **ethernet
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[1:54] * plugwash muses the idea of swap over NBD backed by a ramdrive
[1:54] <PhonicUK> wouldn't help much since 100mbit is slower than an SD card
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> PhonicUK: It's not.
[1:55] <plugwash> PhonicUK, it's all about random access speeds
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> PhonicUK: A SD card doing random 4K writes may be down at under 50K/s
[1:55] <PhonicUK> mm, also true
[1:55] <plugwash> SD cards SUCK at that
[1:55] <PhonicUK> best thing would probably be a USB SSD
[1:55] <PhonicUK> or a USB HDD
[1:55] <D34TH> dat flashdrive
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> I wish I had some working capital to do a RAM+SD card.
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> Say 15G of flash, 1G of RAM
[1:56] <PhonicUK> man this dynarec is a real memory eater to compile
[1:56] <PhonicUK> im currently using 172MB RAM, 107MB swap
[1:56] <D34TH> crosscompile it on a main system?
[1:57] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh and I both started off like that, makefile needs hacking to death to make it behave
[1:57] <Hexxeh> got my Abe's Oddysee and Crash Bandicoot downloads at the ready
[1:57] <PhonicUK> lol
[1:57] <Hexxeh> rips, even
[1:57] <Hexxeh> actually, that's bullshit. downloading them, but i really do have the discs still... :)
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[1:57] <Hexxeh> how /do/ you even rip a PS1 disc?
[1:57] <Hexxeh> they were some strange format weren't they?
[1:57] <PhonicUK> nope
[1:57] <PhonicUK> just dd them
[1:57] <Hexxeh> oh wow, cool
[1:58] <Hexxeh> that said back then i used windows
[1:58] <PhonicUK> also, dont you dare forget spyro!
[1:58] <Hexxeh> they used to just make my cd drive spin insanely fast
[1:58] <Hexxeh> spyro 3, check
[1:58] <Hexxeh> got all of those actually
[1:58] <Hexxeh> ...
[1:58] <Hexxeh> :D
[1:58] <PhonicUK> lol
[1:58] <GabrialDestruir> I need to make a script to compile the kernel for me and all that stuff....
[1:58] <Hexxeh> USB CD drive!
[1:58] <PhonicUK> theres a reason for that
[1:58] <Hexxeh> hell. yes.
[1:58] <Hexxeh> just need to buy a controller now
[1:58] <PhonicUK> PS games pushed data to the outside edge of the disk
[1:58] <PhonicUK> so they often had a load of empty data at the front
[1:58] <Hexxeh> ahh
[1:59] <PhonicUK> PSP was the same
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> Can the Pi actually play PS games? ..>
[1:59] <D34TH> i got linux on my psp
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> >.>*
[1:59] <D34TH> :D
[1:59] <PhonicUK> thats what we're working on
[1:59] <Hexxeh> we're about to find out
[1:59] <PhonicUK> I'm handling N64 and I think Hexxeh is doing PS1
[2:00] <Hexxeh> i'll do N64 once PS1 is finished
[2:00] <D34TH> needs moar gba
[2:00] <Hexxeh> actually that said
[2:00] <PhonicUK> GBA already works
[2:00] <Hexxeh> neither of these will work
[2:00] <Hexxeh> :)
[2:00] <Thorn_> gayboyadvance?
[2:00] <PhonicUK> apt-get install visualboyadvance-gtk
[2:00] <Thorn_> </uniquejoke>
[2:00] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, why not?
[2:00] <Hexxeh> they'll need patches to get the 3D working
[2:00] <Hexxeh> bcm_host_init, dispmanx stuff
[2:00] <PhonicUK> ah
[2:00] <PhonicUK> still nothing major
[2:00] <GabrialDestruir> DS games next!
[2:00] <GabrialDestruir> Cept that'd be hard to play
[2:00] <Hexxeh> and even then, they run in an X window, right?
[2:00] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[2:00] <Hexxeh> we don't have 3d accel under X yet
[2:00] <Hexxeh> it's not happening, sadly :(
[2:00] <Hexxeh> just hit me niw
[2:00] <Hexxeh> *now
[2:01] <PhonicUK> lol
[2:01] <GabrialDestruir> I thought someone had got 3D accel working
[2:02] <D34TH> cloneing raspberrypi/linux.git into rpi emulator
[2:02] * D34TH wonders if it will compile
[2:02] * D34TH hopes qemu will work
[2:03] <GabrialDestruir> Okay... clearly my attempt at building a kernel that'll work with kexec fails.
[2:03] <GabrialDestruir> -quits-
[2:03] <D34TH> git link?
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[2:04] <Hexxeh> hmm
[2:04] <Hexxeh> that said
[2:04] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, ever played Theme Hospital?
[2:04] <Hexxeh> these ARM ports /might/ not depend oN X
[2:04] <Hexxeh> yes
[2:04] <PhonicUK> corsixth :)
[2:05] <Hexxeh> seen it
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[2:05] <PhonicUK> no reason why it shouldn't 'just work' with a simple build
[2:05] <PhonicUK> doesn't rely on GL at all, just SDL
[2:05] <Solarbaby> Hexxeh: I was using some Emulators on very old windows phones using the arm processor
[2:05] <Solarbaby> I'm talking 5 years ago kinda old
[2:05] <PhonicUK> fpsece :)
[2:06] <GabrialDestruir> Time to get together a build that'll run all the emulators ever .-.
[2:06] <GabrialDestruir> Old ones anyways.
[2:06] <Hexxeh> PhonicUK: you'd need bcm stuff adding still
[2:07] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, for mupen/pcsx?
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[2:07] <PhonicUK> Corsix won't
[2:07] <Hexxeh> oh no, anything 3D though
[2:07] <Hexxeh> also, PCSX uses OpenGLESv1
[2:07] <PhonicUK> aye
[2:07] <Hexxeh> GLES_CM is missing on the Pi
[2:07] <PhonicUK> mmm
[2:08] <PhonicUK> so maybe we should focus on mupen for now
[2:08] <PhonicUK> once ive got an initial build, i'll take a look at the source
[2:09] <PhonicUK> corsix should be a non issue
[2:10] <Hexxeh> corsix already works
[2:10] <PhonicUK> orly?
[2:10] <D34TH> attempting to boot with 512 mb ram is bad
[2:10] <D34TH> D:
[2:10] <PhonicUK> anyone made a deb?
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[2:15] <PhonicUK> woooo it made it past the dynarec!
[2:15] <GabrialDestruir> Wow.... there's 777 NES games? o.o
[2:15] <PhonicUK> bleh....
[2:16] <PhonicUK> make: *** No rule to make target `r4300/new_dynarec/linkage_.o', needed by `mupen64plus'. Stop.
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[2:22] <Hexxeh> PhonicUK: i can't get past new_dynarec.c
[2:22] <Hexxeh> internal compiler errors..!?
[2:22] <PhonicUK> i got past new_dynarec.c
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[2:22] <PhonicUK> what version of gcc you on?
[2:23] <PhonicUK> gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5
[2:23] <Hexxeh> 4.6.3
[2:24] <PhonicUK> are you using debian or raspbian?
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[2:24] <Hexxeh> raspbian
[2:24] <PhonicUK> im running debian right now
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[2:25] <PhonicUK> my issue just seems to be a derped makefile
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[2:26] <D34TH> heh
[2:27] <D34TH> my system just switched into game of thrones mode
[2:27] <D34TH> surround flipped on and cable auto switched channels
[2:27] <D34TH> and a 30 minute alert was popped up
[2:27] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, woo progress!
[2:27] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, DYNAREC=arm make all
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[2:30] <GabrialDestruir> What's the fastest way to make a backup image? Cause DD is taking too long .-.
[2:30] <Thorn_> dd
[2:30] <Thorn_> dd on speed
[2:30] <Thorn_> dd on amphetamines
[2:30] <ReggieUK> dd -j3
[2:31] <PhonicUK> lol
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[2:31] <GabrialDestruir> pretty sure there isn't a --doped-up option
[2:31] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[2:31] <Thorn_> is there a -j param for dd?
[2:31] <GabrialDestruir> according to mine? No
[2:32] <shirro> dd is limited by io - adding cpu would not help
[2:32] <ReggieUK> aww come on don't make me explain the j/k .....
[2:32] <shirro> add a faster disk
[2:33] <ReggieUK> the amount of compiling you lot have been doing I thought all of you would've spotted it
[2:33] <GabrialDestruir> Fastest way to make a backup image is to compile a new system? :p
[2:33] <PhonicUK> ReggieUK, I spotted the joke :P
[2:33] <GabrialDestruir> I clearly didn't.
[2:34] <ReggieUK> actually you did PhonicUK :)
[2:34] <PhonicUK> -jX is an option to specify how many threads a build process will use
[2:34] <shirro> fastest way is probably to copy the files, not the entire block device
[2:34] <ReggieUK> PhonicUK, and subsequently speed up a compile
[2:34] <Dagger2> GabrialDestruir: presumably you are setting decent block size on dd, and not using the default 512 bytes
[2:34] <PhonicUK> indeed
[2:35] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, it's compiled and now its doing the plugins!
[2:35] <Hexxeh> awesome :)
[2:35] <GabrialDestruir> I was using 1M cause I had seen mention that was a good size
[2:35] <Hexxeh> you know how to add dispmanx boilerplate PhonicUK?
[2:35] <PhonicUK> nope
[2:35] <Hexxeh> okay i'll take a look once mine finishes compiling
[2:36] <PhonicUK> point me at some code and I'll figure it out though
[2:36] <Dagger2> yeah, that's the size I tend to use
[2:36] <PhonicUK> gl_init in quake3 would be a good place for me to start i think
[2:36] <Hexxeh> either that or hello_triangle2
[2:36] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, you doing a new build on debian?
[2:36] <Hexxeh> still on raspbian
[2:36] <PhonicUK> okay
[2:36] <ReggieUK> I don't think it matters on the bs for sd
[2:37] <ReggieUK> as it's 512 whatever you do
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[2:37] <ReggieUK> unless 1m is like the dd equivalent of double buffering :)
[2:37] <ReggieUK> PhonicUK, what are you building?
[2:37] <Dagger2> requesting multiple blocks at once is usually faster than a single block at a time though
[2:38] <PhonicUK> mupen64plus
[2:38] <PhonicUK> its a N64 emulator
[2:38] <PhonicUK> using the sources for the openpandora version
[2:38] <Dagger2> ... not sure if that's actually true on SD cards, but I'm going with "bs=1M is short enough to type that it doesn't matter much"
[2:39] <Hexxeh> nah, failed again, seeing lots of {standard input}:75128: Error: undefined local label `.L10252'
[2:39] <PhonicUK> weird
[2:39] <PhonicUK> i reckon its the version of GCC you're on
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[2:41] <PhonicUK> also theres a few plugins that need turning off
[2:41] <PhonicUK> because they're x86 specific
[2:41] <PhonicUK> rice video namely
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[2:43] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, its finished!
[2:43] <PhonicUK> woooo
[2:43] <Hexxeh> cool, try her out :)
[2:44] <Hexxeh> setting up cross-compiling on the makefile now
[2:44] <PhonicUK> gimme a few moments
[2:44] <PhonicUK> i doubt it'll work though
[2:44] <GabrialDestruir> Completed the backup in windows in less time than it took to do it in Linux
[2:44] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
[2:45] <DaQatz> Yeah, I've found writing your own make files for a program can fix a lot of cross compile issues.
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[2:45] <DaQatz> Just a lot of work.
[2:45] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, you can remove all the rice-video stuff from the makefile
[2:47] <zgreg> n64 emu on the pi?
[2:47] <Hexxeh> yeah
[2:47] <PhonicUK> yeah
[2:47] <PhonicUK> ive got it to compile, and im just sorting something out before testing it
[2:47] <PhonicUK> but i don't think it'll work
[2:48] <zgreg> seeing how bad it runs on a heavily overcloked pandroa I can't imagine you'll get anywhere near usable speeds
[2:48] <PhonicUK> well it runs pretty fast on an N900
[2:48] <PhonicUK> especially with the sound disabled
[2:48] <PhonicUK> also I think the GPU in the Pi is faster than the one in the Panda
[2:49] <zgreg> mario 64, maybe :)
[2:49] <Hexxeh> it's not GPU bound
[2:49] <PhonicUK> also true
[2:49] <zgreg> but that's about the least demanding game there is
[2:49] <PhonicUK> we're not as power bound though
[2:49] <PhonicUK> well if we can get Mario 64 working that'll at least be a good start :)
[2:50] <zgreg> well, good luck, bit I really doubt it'll be usable
[2:50] <zgreg> *but
[2:50] <PhonicUK> its a fun experiment regardless :P
[2:50] <PhonicUK> a SNES emu would be really nice though
[2:50] <DaQatz> snes shouldn't be that hard
[2:50] <PhonicUK> indeed
[2:50] <PhonicUK> snes9x has an ARM dynarec
[2:51] <DaQatz> Should run most roms well, as long as you don't need "perfect" sound.
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> Whaaa? No perfect sound?
[2:52] <DaQatz> Snes sound is hard to emulate.
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[2:53] <Hexxeh> got crosscompile working
[2:53] <Hexxeh> it's a hack, but it'll do... :P
[2:54] <PhonicUK> nice
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[3:09] <amstan_> how fast does RS usually ship stuff?
[3:09] <shirro> amstan_: i want to know this as well
[3:09] <amstan_> Delivery Type Desc Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 5 week(s))
[3:10] <amstan_> does that mean i have to wait 5 weeks?
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[3:11] <D34TH> thats when they expect to ship it
[3:11] <amstan_> well.. that's even worse than newark :(
[3:11] <amstan_> oh well.. i guess i should be happy i'm getting 2
[3:11] <shirro> I put my code in and got an order confirmation 10 days ago and it said 3 weeks but they took the cc payment anyway which is just wrong unless they have sent it. Element14 took my payment and sent it next day.
[3:12] <shirro> Actually element14 took the payment when they sent it and it was next day delivery
[3:12] <amstan_> if it's next day delivery i should get it tomorrow
[3:12] <amstan_> because the confirmation came on friday
[3:12] <shirro> very suspicious of companies that take payments before they have product ready to ship.
[3:13] <amstan_> yep, they already charged my CC
[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> Uhm
[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> lots of companies do that
[3:15] <shirro> amstan_: i don't know how rs works. i wish i did. feels bad they took my money but no confirmation of shipping date. newark might be as bad but element14 australia were really good. if I could have ordered more than one from them they would have my business
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[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> Whenever a product goes into backorder and they have your money but no product
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[3:16] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, OKAY SO
[3:17] <PhonicUK> sorry caps
[3:17] <PhonicUK> the shell starts, and it will happily emulate when using the interpreter and null video plugins
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[3:17] <PhonicUK> so i'd say thats a good start xD
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[3:23] <Hexxeh> well this is interesting
[3:23] <IT_Sean> ?
[3:23] <Hexxeh> failed to merge target specific data of file r4300/new_dynarec/linkage_arm.o
[3:23] <Hexxeh> error: mupen64plus uses VFP register arguments, r4300/new_dynarec/linkage_arm.o does not
[3:23] <Hexxeh> it appears that there's some inline assembly that doesn't play ball with hardfp?
[3:23] <IT_Sean> that doesn't sound good.
[3:24] <PhonicUK> hmm
[3:24] <PhonicUK> also we need to find the source for the video plugin
[3:24] <PhonicUK> gles2n64
[3:24] <PhonicUK> nm, found it
[3:24] <Hexxeh> this just isn't gonna work on hardfp without patching
[3:24] <Hexxeh> damn
[3:24] <Hexxeh> time to burn a debian sd card
[3:25] <PhonicUK> svn checkout http://gles2n64.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ gles2n64-read-only
[3:25] <PhonicUK> ^^
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[3:27] <PhonicUK> ffs this makefile is a mess
[3:30] <PhonicUK> okay now I just need the GLES2 headers
[3:30] <Hexxeh> use the BCM ones
[3:30] <Hexxeh> in /opt/vc/include
[3:30] <Hexxeh> add -I/opt/vc/include to CFLAGS
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[3:34] <PhonicUK> gotcha
[3:35] <PhonicUK> missing gl2extimg.h
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[3:41] <PhonicUK> i swear almost nothing i download as source ever just works as ./configure && make && make install xD
[3:42] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, you'll need this header file later: http://goo.gl/cY3Yl - gl2extimg.h
[3:44] <PhonicUK> lets play the porting game! comment out anything that doesn't work!
[3:44] <PhonicUK> aw shit
[3:45] <PhonicUK> bits of ARM assembler that aren't supported on this CPU
[3:45] <PhonicUK> and I don't know ARM assembler, only x86
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[3:47] <Hexxeh> pastebin?
[3:47] <PhonicUK> 1 sec, theres a stack of them
[3:48] <PhonicUK> if you grab the source of the plugin, its right at the end of OpenGL.cpp
[3:48] <PhonicUK> and theres a stack more in Textures.cpp
[3:48] <PhonicUK> i gotta go sleep soon
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[3:48] <PhonicUK> its nearly 3AM and i've got work tomorrow xD
[3:48] <Hexxeh> what are the instructions it uses we're missing?
[3:50] <PhonicUK> fmrx, rev, rev16
[3:51] <PhonicUK> plus whatever other ones i don't yet know about because i've not carried on
[3:52] <Hexxeh> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0068b/Bcfbdihi.html
[3:53] <PhonicUK> hmm okay i can make sense of it now
[3:53] <PhonicUK> i'll rewrite it as C to start off with
[3:54] <PhonicUK> derp if i'd read the comments... xD
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[3:55] <PhonicUK> this may be a makefile issue...
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[3:57] <PhonicUK> hell yeah i'm good
[3:57] <PhonicUK> or not
[3:57] <PhonicUK> bleh, sleep
[3:57] <PhonicUK> night all
[3:58] <Hexxeh> night
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[4:02] <Hexxeh> heh, makefile assumes arm when arm7l is in uname -m
[4:02] <Hexxeh> oh dear... :)
[4:02] <D34TH> i accidentally broke my nix box
[4:02] <D34TH> D:
[4:03] <D34TH> i accidentally ran dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
[4:03] <D34TH> i ment sdb
[4:03] <D34TH> DDD:
[4:06] <D34TH> all of my depression
[4:06] <ReggieUK> at least you did a proper job when you messed up
[4:11] <D34TH> :/
[4:12] <mpthompson> No problem, just pull it off your backups...
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[4:27] <mkopack> poop??? vice isn't build for Raspbian yet
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[4:40] <Solarbaby> mkopack: that would have been very kewl
[4:40] <mkopack> I ran it on the debian build??? It works, although it was a bit too slow to do audio too
[4:40] <mkopack> So I was hoping it was built for Raspbian
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[4:41] <mkopack> I'll have to ask if it's on the "to be built yet" list...
[4:41] <Hexxeh> phew, got dynarec built
[4:41] <Hexxeh> plenty of swap =D
[4:41] <mkopack> If I had a clue how to do it, I'd compile it up myself
[4:41] <Hexxeh> it's not difficult, just follow the README
[4:41] <Hexxeh> i did it back when you asked me about it, it's a simple ./configure && make && make install job
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[4:42] <mkopack> Were do I get the src /pkg from though ?
[4:42] <Hexxeh> git repo
[4:42] <mkopack> (I'm lost when it comes to stuff like this on linux)
[4:42] <Hexxeh> or a tarball
[4:42] <Hexxeh> http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/crossplatform/emulators/VICE/vice-2.2.tar.gz
[4:43] <Hexxeh> wget http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/crossplatform/emulators/VICE/vice-2.2.tar.gz && tar xvf vice-2.2.tar.gz
[4:43] <Hexxeh> cd into the folder it makes, then ./configure && make && make install
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[4:43] <jumpkick> anyone run postgresql on their rPi? I'm looking for some info on what params I can tune to reduce memory consumption
[4:45] <shirro> jumpkick: not running any database, just wanted to say fsync on sd card is really bad. you probably will want usb storage
[4:46] <jumpkick> shirro: k, thanks I'll keep that in mind
[4:47] <shirro> either that or look for an option to turn sync off or use eatmydata (assuming it is not for anything critical)
[4:49] <mkopack> Ok, well, gotta install gcc and g++ first :)
[4:49] <mkopack> but gonna try to build vice, and if I can find the src for it, uae
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[4:56] <Hexxeh> awww yeah, mupen compiled :D
[4:57] <Hexxeh> the gles2 plugin too, with a few patches
[4:58] <mpthompson> mkopack: vice isn't in the Raspbian build queue. Right now we are concentrating on the Debian Wheezy 'main' packages. Vice is only in Debian Squeeze 'contrib'. Not sure when we'll get to the 'contrib' packages, but it's not going to be too soon.
[4:58] <mkopack> That's fine??? I just need to figure out how to build stuff like this...
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[5:00] <SStrife> ./configure && make && make install :P
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[5:13] <Hexxeh> PhonicUK: got both compiled and working on ARMv6 with a few changes, gonna try doing dispmanx patches tomorrow
[5:13] <Hexxeh> or uh, later today.
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[5:30] <GabrialDestruir> We need a program like the Video Calibration in XBMC
[5:30] <GabrialDestruir> that'll allow us to fix our screens then save it to config.txt
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[5:46] <oldtopman> ~Silent waiting here
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[5:47] <oldtopman> ~For my raspberry pi mail
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[5:49] <DaQatz> Some day, your pi will come.
[5:49] <oldtopman> -oldtopman-
[5:49] <DaQatz> And you will rejoice.
[5:49] * oldtopman swears at internets
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[5:49] <GabrialDestruir> and then you will be stabbed in the back and your Pi will be stolen!
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[6:03] <msk_lab> mornin'
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[6:24] <GabrialDestruir> I can't get the keyboard configured how I want for Raspbian .-.
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[6:49] <tech2077> finally, xbmc running on top of debian nfs booting and playing video
[6:49] <GabrialDestruir> Oh?
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[6:49] <GabrialDestruir> Do you have lxde or anything else on there too?
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[6:54] <GabrialDestruir> I installed smbclient and can't mount any sambra shares .-.
[6:55] <tech2077> that sounds weird
[6:55] <tech2077> i'm using a raspbmc rootfs right now
[6:55] <tech2077> samba worked out-of-box
[6:55] <GabrialDestruir> Ah I'm on Raspbian atm
[6:56] <tech2077> smbclient isn't that good
[6:56] <tech2077> i use the mount utility for my samba shares
[6:57] <GabrialDestruir> My issue is Raspbmc felt a bit butchered when I was trying to mess with it, commands and things missing
[6:58] <tech2077> i'm using it only for media
[6:58] <tech2077> if i want to get anything done, i switch to my arch roofs
[6:58] <tech2077> rootfs*
[6:59] <GabrialDestruir> ShiftPlusOne's multiboot could be good for that, cept it doesn't work for Raspbmc yet.
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[7:00] <tech2077> haven't heard of it
[7:01] <tech2077> would it support multiple nfs rootfs to choose at boot, if so, would be great
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[7:02] <GabrialDestruir> Theoretically it should, yea.
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[7:03] <tech2077> link?
[7:04] <GabrialDestruir> It's in the logs let me grab it.
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[7:05] <GabrialDestruir> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/XECLoader.tar.gz
[7:05] <GabrialDestruir> you put all your kernels in /kernels and then modify Menu.sh which is pretty self explanitory
[7:05] <tech2077> lets see how this goes :D
[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> You remove any specific text from command.txt or w/e it's called and you put it in Menu.sh like it shows
[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> Also if your kernel isn't kexec capable it won't work.... which is why Raspbmc fails
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[7:06] <tech2077> can't i just use another kernel with raspbmc
[7:07] <tech2077> i'm pretty sure i've been using the same kernel for all my rootfs's
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[7:08] <GabrialDestruir> Eh.... maybe?
[7:08] <GabrialDestruir> When I tried using a non raspbmc kernel with raspbmc it wouldn't boot properly, took me to a login screen
[7:09] <tech2077> hmm
[7:09] <tech2077> well, i guess i'll see :D
[7:09] <GabrialDestruir> I'm about to butcher my Raspbmc distro, gonna try and see if I can run lxde on it >.>
[7:11] <tech2077> :/
[7:11] <GabrialDestruir> Wha? I want a distro that can do my media things (xbmc) and handle tinkering/games/whatever
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[7:14] <tech2077> when someone finally packages xbmc, i'll do that
[7:14] <tech2077> until then, i'll keep my xbmc and development far apart
[7:15] <GabrialDestruir> I don't think it'll happen, mostly because everyone who's all "XBMC" are building specific distros.... while everyone who's development is like "SHUN THE XBMC"
[7:21] <GabrialDestruir> Basically you have the so called "purists" vs the "htpcist"
[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> the form believe the latter don't get the "concept" of RPi and that it's for "hacking" or "tinkering" or "educational purposes" or "for the children" while the latter.... don't really care?
[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[7:22] <Solarbaby> people are people
[7:22] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: there are lots of people who want the pi for a whole lot more than a media center. but many of them want to be able to play video on it as well. it will get packaged. it is a bit of a work in progress still
[7:24] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose it will eventually.... but until them I'm going to attempt to hybridize my Raspbmc distro
[7:24] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[7:24] <tech2077> heh
[7:24] <GabrialDestruir> I want to be able to hack WHILE watching movies or w/e
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> Is that so wrong?
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[7:25] <Solarbaby> what is stopping you?
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> The butchred XBMC OS's
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> butchered*
[7:25] <Solarbaby> hmmm
[7:26] <GabrialDestruir> I really need to remember to use screen -sighs-
[7:26] <Solarbaby> hehe
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[7:28] <GabrialDestruir> I think I'm overtaxing my pi
[7:28] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[7:31] <GabrialDestruir> Is there a command that would allow you to restrict the amount of CPU a program could use?
[7:32] <GabrialDestruir> So I could restrict certain things to just 20-30% so everything isn't struggling for all of it? >.>
[7:36] <slo> i am thinking "nice", not sure
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[7:38] <GabrialDestruir> apparently there is a cpu limiter called... cpulimit xD
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[7:41] <tech2077> i can't get multiboot to work
[7:41] <tech2077> it freezes at starting new kernel
[7:42] <GabrialDestruir> That means you're not using a kexec capable kernel
[7:42] <tech2077> heh
[7:42] <tech2077> where can i get one
[7:42] <GabrialDestruir> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/ArchLinux.image
[7:43] <GabrialDestruir> or apparently you can compile from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[7:44] <GabrialDestruir> Though I don't know the right config options for that.
[7:48] <tech2077> ok, i'll know in about 6 minutes if i selected the right option
[7:49] <tech2077> hexa-core amd processor on my build machine really helps
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[7:57] <tech2077> one boot works
[7:57] <tech2077> now to try the others
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[7:57] <tech2077> ok, two work
[7:57] <tech2077> now to try to get raspbmc
[7:59] <tech2077> seems like the raspbmc kernel needs to be custom compiled
[7:59] <tech2077> got a seg fault
[8:00] <GabrialDestruir> He has the config in the Raspbmc wiki
[8:00] <GabrialDestruir> But I don't know all the right settings to get it working.
[8:00] <tech2077> it should work off that config
[8:01] <tech2077> i'll try building it with that config right now
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[8:01] <UnaClocker> Goodevening
[8:02] <UnaClocker> I love Raspbian! :)
[8:02] <DaQatz> 2am
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[8:07] <UnaClocker> I'm working on getting conky to compile.. That'll be nice to have running
[8:07] <mpthompson> UnaClocker... Glad to hear you love Raspbian...
[8:08] <UnaClocker> :) I can definitely feel the performance difference, and it's just nice to know I'm using the other half of the processor (FPU).. :)
[8:09] <tech2077> this isn't right
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[8:10] <mpthompson> Right now I'm trying to make a new Raspbian image for people to use, but I'm stuck in SD card performance hell. This is going to take me longer than I thought.
[8:10] <tech2077> kexec shouldn't affect the videocore part of the kernel
[8:10] <UnaClocker> Incompatible card? I got lucky I guess, bought the class 10 that was on sale, and it works. Dramatically faster than the class 4 I had laying around the house when the Pi arrived.
[8:11] <shirro> mpthompson: this is the reason why a debian style raspbian installer will not work in practice. It has to be just a configuration util.
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[8:13] <mpthompson> Well, I'm reluctantly starting to come that conclusion. The installer was useful for me to create the image though. My class 4 card is just slow as molasis though.
[8:13] <shirro> my class 4 isn't much better I am sure
[8:13] <shirro> i mean my class 6
[8:13] <DaQatz> Pi's SD card is lethargic.
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[8:14] <DaQatz> slot*
[8:14] <shirro> not sure if I want to waste a lot of money on yet another sd card when I can plug something into a usb port.
[8:15] <mpthompson> DaQatz, it seems so. Any official word from the RPi Foundation on recognizing some additional work is needed on it?
[8:15] <DaQatz> mpthompson: Not that I have heard.
[8:15] <shirro> has anyone recompiled the kernel with the sd interface clock bumped up a notch?
[8:16] <mpthompson> Can it be bumped up? This person indicates it's running very slow compared to other SD hardware: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5057
[8:17] <mpthompson> There is probably some register that controls a clock divider against one of the CPU clocks.
[8:18] <mpthompson> shirro, did you the USB port is unreliable for USB drives? Is that speculation, or something you observed?
[8:19] <shirro> i stopped using it AFTER the the fixes with usb&network back when a git clone would crash the Pi. So I don't know
[8:20] <shirro> I mean stopped using it just as the fix emerged. I haven't tried recently
[8:20] <UnaClocker> Well the USB is pretty horrible about catching keystrokes (or release of keystrokes).
[8:20] <mpthompson> OK
[8:20] <shirro> yes, keystrokes is a huge annoyance for me
[8:20] <UnaClocker> I can only imagine what it'd do to hard drive data...
[8:20] <shirro> it didn't seem that bad when I was using it.
[8:21] <UnaClocker> Ahh good.
[8:21] <shirro> but i haven't used it since a couple of kernels ago
[8:22] <mpthompson> Have people been using hexxeh's rpi-update utility? I assume that is pretty good about getting the latest kernels...
[8:22] <mpthompson> Yeah, after 3 hours LXDE is finally installed.
[8:22] <mpthompson> Let's give it a whirl...
[8:23] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I used the rpi-update util yesterday evening and it finally got rid of the mmc errors that were continually popping up on the console..
[8:24] <GabrialDestruir> I'm curious....
[8:24] <GabrialDestruir> does "killall *" work?
[8:24] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[8:25] <mpthompson> shirro, think I'm going to have to go for an 4G SD card image. LXDE filled the 2G card to 93%.
[8:26] <UnaClocker> Yay, conky is compiling... Future note, when it asks for lua >= 5.1, apparently greater than does not mean 5.2...
[8:27] <tech2077> GabrialDestruir, do you have the config file for the arch image
[8:28] <tech2077> i have an idea of how to get raspbmc running
[8:28] <mpthompson> ls
[8:28] <mpthompson> Oops, wrong window.
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[8:29] <fakker> i got no idea how to make Raspbian use the entire SD Card
[8:29] <tech2077> fakker, resize with gparted
[8:29] <GabrialDestruir> Nope
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[8:30] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I take my card and put it in a desktop Linux machine, resize with gparted, and then put it back in the Pi..
[8:30] <GabrialDestruir> Wasn't my image it was ShiftPlusOne's
[8:30] <fakker> rootfs?
[8:30] <fakker> resize
[8:30] <tech2077> hrm
[8:31] <fakker> oh well, that'll be something for the evening - time to go to work
[8:31] <shirro> fakker: yes, I resize with gparted under linux on a netbook. You can resize in place on a Pi but it is too slow
[8:31] <fakker> shirro, thanks - i'll try that tonight
[8:33] <tech2077> GabrialDestruir, theres an official bug out for videocore not working with kexec
[8:33] <tech2077> likely a week or two before it starts working
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[8:43] <GabrialDestruir> Why does this have like.... 15-20 processes of /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon running .-.
[8:44] <mpthompson> I'm playing with a full install of LXDE under Raspbian. I don't think the default them is very pretty, but the performance isn't terrible. Better than I expected.
[8:44] <GabrialDestruir> Raspbian is pretty basic....
[8:45] <mpthompson> I'm working on a new image of Raspbian. I think the issue is that Debian is pretty basic...
[8:46] <chaoshax> Someone should make a larger image with more apps.
[8:46] <mpthompson> Got a lot of work to do...
[8:47] <mpthompson> I started working on a larger image this evening. I thought I could get one done quickly, but this will take a while.
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[8:49] <mpthompson> I would like to pull in some/all of the GUI work that the Linux Mint folks have done. Debian just doesn't seem to cut it in terms of providing nice looking GUIs out of the box, which is all Raspbian has to work with right now.
[8:49] <UnaClocker> I was happy to see the Raspbian repositories have Arduino1.0, the ones that the original Pi Debian distro used gave me Arduino 010.. Exceptionally out of date..
[8:50] <shirro> Debian tried to use upstream without changing anything
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[8:50] <GabrialDestruir> Well you could easily modify and build Raspbian into a nice looking GUI if you took the time.
[8:50] <GabrialDestruir> the issue is, a GUI tends to be resource greedy....
[8:50] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: I have gone the opposite and stripped it to bare essentials for speed
[8:51] <UnaClocker> I'd rather see xorg get off the frame buffer and get a proper driver, than have it shiny and sluggish..
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[8:51] <GabrialDestruir> Agreed.
[8:51] <shirro> it is a tough balance
[8:52] <GabrialDestruir> apparently Raspbmc doesn't even have a shutdown command .-.
[8:52] <kvarley> Has anybody got xorg running on the GPU yet? Or has anybody got a desktop environment to render via OpenGL ES?
[8:52] <UnaClocker> heh, xbmc has a shutdown button, it doesn't work?
[8:52] <GabrialDestruir> dunno never tried
[8:52] <shirro> you need to sell the machine to people like reviewers and teachers and make it easy to use but you don't want to handicap it with crazy amounts of bitmaps everywhere
[8:53] <GabrialDestruir> but there is no shutdown so you can command line a shutdown -r or w/e
[8:53] <UnaClocker> Ahh
[8:53] <UnaClocker> apt-get install shutdown? heh
[8:53] <mpthompson> I did some searching and found nothing regarding OpenGL ES. There were some projects in the past for xorg over OpenGL, but they have been abandoned for years.
[8:53] <shirro> boot into a desktop manager instead of startx and you will get a shutdown
[8:53] <GabrialDestruir> If we could get the interfaces running on the GPU it wouldn't be an issue.
[8:54] <mpthompson> Someone could try to resurect this effort: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Xegl
[8:54] <kvarley> mpthompson: Ubuntu has recently ported Unity to OpenGL ES. I know they don't and won't support this "old" version of the ARM architecture, but their source code could possibly help with a port?
[8:54] <svenstaro> meh why does everyone else have their rbpi already :<
[8:54] <shirro> probably needs something to throw up a "You can safely turn your computer off now" graphic at the end, oldtime windows style
[8:54] <kvarley> svenstaro: Luck is why =]
[8:55] <shirro> svenstaro: we ordered ten minutes or less after orders opened?
[8:55] <GabrialDestruir> Raspbmc doesn't have any windows managers or desktop managers
[8:55] <GabrialDestruir> it just has xbmc
[8:56] <UnaClocker> I ran OpenElec once.. Worked ok, played half my movies, half of those had audio problems..
[8:56] <kvarley> UnaClocker: Try the latest build of it ... It's much better
[8:56] <UnaClocker> Cool.. :)
[8:57] * gordonDrogon waves
[8:57] <UnaClocker> Know a trick to get audio in Quake 3? Kinda weird playing it silently..
[8:57] <mpthompson> kvarley, I'm not very really up to speed on graphics. My knowledge of X is 20 years out of date. Did Ubuntu create a generic x server that runs over OpenGL ES? Or something else for tablets?
[8:57] <kvarley> UnaClocker: Now moving between menus is a lot faster and I've player 1080p x264 with no issues. I haven't tried HD XviD yet, just SD stuff
[8:57] <shirro> a problem with some of these egl efforts is I think the Intel people throw them together and then abandon them quicker even then Lennart and you go exploring and they are tied to kernel drivers that only work with intel cards or are modules that only work with the intel driver
[8:57] <GabrialDestruir> I've had only one issue of broken audio with OpenELEC or Raspbmc, and that was an improper codec, a quick switch in codec and it's fixed.
[8:57] <gordonDrogon> it's always nice to have a choice of window managers or desktop managers. e.g. I run xfce4 in window manager (not desktop manager) mode ...
[8:57] <gordonDrogon> newbies won't know any different though...
[8:58] <GabrialDestruir> The differences between windows vs desktop is?
[8:58] <kvarley> mpthompson: I'm not really in-the-know about it. I just saw a demo at the end of last year showing their new port. From what I could tell xorg was rendered by the GPU chip on the board. At the very least the Unity interface was rendered via the GPU.
[8:58] <shirro> On a machine of this type I don't need a panel. A window manager with a desktop menu is plenty
[8:58] <mpthompson> Isn't a window manager and desktop manager the same? Sheesh, my knowledge of X is really old... I used to use TWM....
[8:59] <shirro> desktop manager in X speak is login manager - xdm, gdm etc
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, window manager just managed windows - desktop manager lets you do stuf like put files on a desktop.
[8:59] <UnaClocker> I used Enlightenment, 13 years ago. Been awhile..
[8:59] <shirro> window manager manages window decorations and placement
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[9:00] <GabrialDestruir> I guess I've got to boot up and compile OpenELEC
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[9:00] <GabrialDestruir> boot up linux*
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> twm rocks, although I used fvwm for many years - actually for about 18 - right up to about a year ago.
[9:00] <shirro> desktop environment is usually a panel, config tool, menu, file manager combo - usually with the same tookit and look and feel
[9:02] <shirro> examples of desktop environments: enlightenment, gnustep, gnome, kde, lxde, xfce
[9:02] <shirro> you can just run openbox instead of lxde. you don't need the panel really. but once you go there you might as well look for even faster and lighter window managers
[9:03] <UnaClocker> What is Raspbian using for a Window Manager by default?
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[9:03] <svenstaro> anybody here run arch on their rbi and wanna give me ssh?
[9:03] <shirro> i think it will be lxde desktop environment which uses openbox by default
[9:03] <mpthompson> OK. I've never paid much attention to the differences in terminology. But I'll need to learn.
[9:04] <kvarley> Would there be any chance of TinyCoreLinux running on the RPi? Since that could be run off the RAM of the board!
[9:04] <shirro> openbox is a nice balance between ease of use and speed/size. there are faster/smaller things but they start to get more expert oriented
[9:04] <mpthompson> Well, hexxeh image which most everyone is using right now included a minimal install of LXDE.
[9:04] <shirro> it is probably a good choice for people coming from windows. it isn't too scary
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[9:05] <svenstaro> kvarley: well why not?
[9:05] <kvarley> I don't see an ARM port is all
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> When I was incrementally adding packages to my initial Raspbian, xfce4 was avalable before lxde ;-)
[9:05] <UnaClocker> Hmm.. Didn't realize I was missing the rest of LXDE..
[9:05] <svenstaro> kvarley: well then there is no chance :P
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[9:06] <gordonDrogon> I think lxde is OK for what it is. I'd possible even go to the bother of removing the 2nd virtual window from a default setup if that's possible.
[9:06] <UnaClocker> I really like that when I install a new app, it seems to automatically magically appear on the "start" menu...
[9:06] <shirro> My .xinitrc just contains jwm at the moment. I think it is used by DSL and puppy so it mustn't be too big. X starts almost instantly
[9:06] <GabrialDestruir> -j should be what if I'm using a triple processor vm?
[9:06] <mpthompson> Just logged in with Openbox. Wow, very minimal...
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> there's going to be a lot of people come from windows and "principle of least surprise" might work well.
[9:06] <svenstaro> GabrialDestruir: -j3 obviously
[9:06] <UnaClocker> Yeah, x is starting very very fast after the last update.
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[9:07] <GabrialDestruir> Well I've heard people say you're suppose to do number of processors + 1
[9:07] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[9:07] <svenstaro> GabrialDestruir: not in a vm, your io sucks too much for that
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[9:07] <mpthompson> I would like to get Mate (Gnome 2) from the Linux Mint going. I may be strange, but I thought Gnome 2 was pretty decent.
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, a lot really depends on stuff like underlying disk speed, memory, etc. the aim is to max-out every possible resource...
[9:08] <GabrialDestruir> Eh it has plenty of resources... lol
[9:10] <svenstaro> GabrialDestruir: are you using virtio?
[9:10] <GabrialDestruir> No?
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[9:11] <svenstaro> then it isnt fast enough
[9:11] <svenstaro> use virtio for net and disk and you will see a nice speed up
[9:11] <svenstaro> the drivers are in the kernel
[9:11] <GabrialDestruir> what is virtio?
[9:11] <svenstaro> non-emulated drivers for io stuff
[9:12] <svenstaro> makes stuff faster but the guest needs to be aware of it
[9:12] <svenstaro> so you need virtio drivers in the guest
[9:12] <svenstaro> but linux has them, you need to put them into the initcpio though
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[9:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> That's one expensive sensor!
[9:51] <GabrialDestruir> I wish I had a way to lock windows from a second monitor or only allow certain windows to that monitor.
[9:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Oh wait, I'm resuming a conversation from an indeterminate amount of time ago :D
[9:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> GabrialDestruir: Ultramon
[9:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Oh wait, linux?
[9:52] <GabrialDestruir> Windows
[9:52] <svenstaro> GabrialDestruir: use a wm that supports that or daemon tools
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[9:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> GabrialDestruir: http://www.realtimesoft.com/ultramon/
[9:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I couldn't live without Ultramon back when I used multiple monitors in Winblows
[9:53] <haltdef> windows*
[9:53] <haltdef> strange typo
[9:54] <D34TH> i use displayfusion
[9:54] <D34TH> D:
[9:54] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe I just need to invest in some more monitors.... lol
[9:54] <huene> haltdef: sure, that was a typo?
[9:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Haha, so nieve :D
[9:55] <nid0> displayfusion > ultramon
[9:55] <RITRedbeard> why does debian net image not have ifconfig? :\
[9:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> displayfusion looks good, not sure it existed when I used ultramon :D
[9:55] <nid0> I used ultramon for years on xp but when upgrading to win7 ultramon took forever to get their software compatible, so ditched it and switched ot displayfusion
[9:56] <Gadgetoid_mbp> nid0: Ha, you'd think the makers of a utility like that would be right on the ball with new OS releases
[9:57] <nid0> well, in fairness to them I started using win7 when it was still RC, but displayfusion had their product working right from the beta, ultramon didnt
[9:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> DisplayFusion are obviously on the ball for Windows 8??? although I'd like to think nobody would be insane enough to use Win8
[9:59] <RITRedbeard> anyone here an electrical engineer?
[9:59] <GabrialDestruir> I have to admit, I like the whole logout and login to a new computer and everything is there exactly how it is.
[10:00] <RITRedbeard> how do you drive a display like this?
[10:00] <RITRedbeard> http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/2437365-panel-flcos-micro-display-vga-mt7dpvg2f-a1s.html
[10:00] <RITRedbeard> there is no datasheet, I'm guessing you have to beg micron for one
[10:00] <haltdef> bit too early to judge win8, seems it will change a lot between beta and rtm
[10:00] <tntexplosivesltd> RITRedbeard: yeah would need a datasheet
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, /sbin/ifconfig ?
[10:01] <RITRedbeard> lsmod was being weird, too
[10:01] <RITRedbeard> not verbose enough
[10:01] <nid0> theres a lot coming to potentially like in win8, i'm just very worried theyre badly neglecting the traditional desktop, which is gonna be a problem for people using... desktops
[10:01] <tntexplosivesltd> yeah ifconfog was removed ages ago
[10:01] <GabrialDestruir> I should invest in a Yubikey
[10:01] <tntexplosivesltd> us arch guys made the change weeks - months even - ago
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, I've used parallel RBG type displays in the past...
[10:02] <RITRedbeard> tntexplosivesltd, you think being a parallel/serial RGB type circuit should be no different than any other display?
[10:02] <tntexplosivesltd> I have no idea
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, the ones I've used have their own framebuffer though, so you're more or less pokin pixels at them.
[10:02] <tntexplosivesltd> RITRedbeard: now you need to use ip instead of ifconfig
[10:03] <RITRedbeard> the live usb wasn't detecting my wireless anyway
[10:03] <RITRedbeard> I'm not even sure it had wireless support modules
[10:03] <tntexplosivesltd> heh
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> unless the live usb for debian just unpacks a basic x in whatever WM you choose as the image
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> and you unpack yourself from mounting the USB/DVD
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> which doesn't seem to make sense in my limited experience
[10:05] <SStrife> Wow, a DVB-T tuner card I bought in 2008 has Windows 7 x64 drivers
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[10:06] <SStrife> and its not even a big brand card
[10:06] <SStrife> some dodgy asian generic card
[10:06] <D34TH> must be a good one then
[10:06] <tntexplosivesltd> heh, the live usb has X
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[10:08] <SStrife> must be
[10:08] <SStrife> i hope it still works
[10:08] <SStrife> it's been in a shoebox for a year or so
[10:09] <haltdef> the tuner chipset itself is probably from a non-dodgy company and has good drivers from them
[10:10] <SStrife> Philips SAA7131E
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> heh.. just checked - scraping every ounce of RAM possible:
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2404272 May 27 12:06 kernel.img
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3915716 May 21 18:48 kernel.img.raspbian
[10:10] <SStrife> but the drivers are from the card manufacturer's site
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> saved 1.5MB of kernel image... more RAM for me, I guess!
[10:10] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.... I've somehow killed my Ubuntu's network.
[10:10] <SStrife> my next step was to try to get some generic chipset type drivers
[10:11] <SStrife> time to try it out!
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[10:17] <GabrialDestruir> I need to do something better with my virtualboxes .-.
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[10:19] <SStrife> my desktop has no PCI slots! :(
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[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> For shame!
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[10:23] <Veryevil> morning all
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[10:24] <RITRedbeard> MystX!
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[10:24] <RITRedbeard> Do you have circuit working?
[10:24] <GabrialDestruir> It's really weird that we notice image/sound lag
[10:24] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[10:26] <MystX> Hi RITRedbeard
[10:26] <MystX> Tbh i haven't even looked at it
[10:27] * RITRedbeard shrugs
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[10:27] <RITRedbeard> I've been trying to get datasheets for these FLCOS displays Micron makes.
[10:28] <RITRedbeard> I wonder how complex the circuit to drive them is.
[10:28] <MystX> hmm
[10:29] <GabrialDestruir> Damn your soul complex :p
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[10:32] <RITRedbeard> MystX, if we could drive these microdisplays
[10:32] <RITRedbeard> and get decent optics, who cares about old LCD panels?
[10:32] <RITRedbeard> the FLCOS stuff is inexpensive
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[10:33] <RITRedbeard> but it's outside my skill set
[10:33] <RITRedbeard> http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/2437365-panel-flcos-micro-display-vga-mt7dpvg2f-a1s.html
[10:34] <MystX> $65?
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[10:37] <RITRedbeard> yeah
[10:37] <RITRedbeard> head mounted displays man
[10:38] <MystX> hmm this is true..
[10:38] <RITRedbeard> I'd love to learn just how to interface with small resolution one, serial or parallel RGB
[10:39] <RITRedbeard> but HMDs are a whole new world
[10:39] <RITRedbeard> field of view and other stuff plays a factor
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[10:49] <Davespice> guten morgan :)
[10:50] <GabrialDestruir> One time authentication which requires you to use an algorithm in your brain to figure out your next password >.>
[10:50] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> is there such a device as an HDMI KVM?
[10:51] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[10:51] <GabrialDestruir> pretty sure there is.
[10:52] * gordonDrogon stops being lazy and googles...
[10:52] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-3-In-1-Out-Switch-Cable/dp/B0018DQYQ2/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1338195018&sr=1-2
[10:52] <GabrialDestruir> something like that
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> hm. expensive...
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> http://www.micom.co.uk/products.asp?partno=DS-11900
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> single USB + HDMI.
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> Looking for a way to connect 2 or 3 Pi's to one monitor.
[10:54] <Dagger2> separate HDMI and USB switches might be the cheapest option
[10:54] <Dagger2> (eBay has both)
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> yea.
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[10:55] <GabrialDestruir> Yea I'd probably go separate.
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> trying to minimise cabling spagetti and controls to switch...
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[10:59] <GabrialDestruir> Zipties
[10:59] <GabrialDestruir> Short Cords and Zipties
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[11:11] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: use Synergy :D
[11:11] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I wonder if there's a version of synergy that works on command-line :D
[11:14] <tntexplosivesltd> don't thing so
[11:14] <tntexplosivesltd> just ssh =D
[11:14] <tntexplosivesltd> * think
[11:15] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah synergy and ssh had me covered for a while
[11:16] <ShiftPlusOne> you can also do somet netcat trickery to route all the input directly to /dev/input, but I didn't have luck with that
[11:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ShiftPlusOne: interesting, never thought of netcat trickery
[11:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> screen with shared sessions works nicely, I use it to mirror what i'm doing over SSH on the screen
[11:18] <ShiftPlusOne> http://superuser.com/questions/67659/linux-share-keyboard-over-network
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[11:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> That's some mad genius right there, shame about the drawbacks
[11:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> http://www.mymemory.co.uk/SDHC/MyMemory/MyMemory-32GB-SD-Card-%28SDHC%29---Class-10 I wonder if this'll work!
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> just had to google symergy - it needs N monitors. I have 1....
[11:32] <Tachyon`> what the hell have they done to the forums
[11:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: synergy will do the keyboard/mouse stuff, you'll need an HDMI or other switcher to do the monitors
[11:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Thus keeping down the expense of a hardware KVM and the mess of unnecessary cabling
[11:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Alternatively you could use a forth Pi :D
[11:34] <mjr> as opposed to cobol pi
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[11:34] <gordonDrogon> Intersting.
[11:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> And just remote in to all the other Pi's as needed
[11:34] <zgreg> synergy is pretty cool
[11:35] <zgreg> only downside, it doesn't support encryption/ssl
[11:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> synergy is especially great across disparate systems, running Mac/Win/Linux boxes side-by-side is nice if you need to
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> would need to stop the mouse off-screen doing the switching - that's how I move from virtual window to other virtual window in xcfe4 :)
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[12:01] <friggle> zgreg: that's because you're meant to run it over ssh
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[12:05] <zgreg> friggle: I do that, but it's a hassle and doesn't work on every platform
[12:06] <SStrife> do you need to encrypt it though?
[12:06] <SStrife> surely synergy over some kind of WAN is going to be laggy and rubbish
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[12:07] <SStrife> if it's between two computers on one switch, encryption would be pretty unnecessary
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[12:10] <SStrife> on one lan*
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[12:14] <zgreg> SStrife: I'm sometimes using it with notebook and netbook on wifi networks that aren't really trustworthy
[12:14] <SStrife> ah
[12:14] <SStrife> vpn time :P
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[12:15] <SStrife> bit more fuss though, i guess
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[12:15] * mjr has used ssh-tunneled x2x for that (though it's only for X, not mac/windows)
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[13:11] <Veryevil> I'm pretty sure I have the World first Raspberry PI Laptop
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[13:12] <SStrife> there was a link posted to one yesterday
[13:12] <SStrife> (maybe the day before)
[13:12] <Veryevil> where can yo find it?
[13:13] <SStrife> i dont remember, sorry
[13:13] <SStrife> but it was a pi attached to the back of a portable motorola thin client
[13:14] <SStrife> i'll see if i can find the link
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[13:16] <ant_work> hello
[13:17] <ant_work> I'm one of the developer of kexecboot
[13:17] <ant_work> we'd like to host a kexecboot-enabled kernel on kexecboot.org
[13:17] <ant_work> I've seen some recent patches unbreaking kexec on the raspberry pi
[13:17] <ant_work> i.e. http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/22/another-new-rpi-kernel/
[13:20] <ant_work> for our purposes, I'd use the kernel hosted at https://github.com/djwillis/meta-raspberrypi
[13:20] <ant_work> question: any more patches floating around?
[13:21] <Veryevil> SSTrife: any luck
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[13:23] <SStrife> not yet... someone posted it on IRC
[13:23] <SStrife> i'm going to have a look in the logs
[13:25] <ant_work> btw I don't have a raspberry but I'm confident the tooclhain is ok
[13:25] <PhonicUK> he all
[13:25] <PhonicUK> *hey
[13:25] <SStrife> http://imgur.com/a/ZvkgN
[13:25] <Veryevil> By the sounds of it they had the same idea as me. I'm using a Motorola LApdock which is a 11 inch dumb laptopn that is supposed to take a smart phone.
[13:26] <Veryevil> Althought they have a much smaller HDMI cable
[13:26] <SStrife> the EXACT same idea :P
[13:28] <Veryevil> yep
[13:28] <Veryevil> posting it up on forum now
[13:28] <SStrife> that link was posted by shirro
[13:29] <SStrife> i dont know where he got it
[13:29] <SStrife> ant_work, wrt raspbian, have a chat with mpthompson
[13:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ant_work, why hello there
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[13:30] <ShiftPlusOne> ant_work, kexecboot looks very similar to what I've been doing, nice.
[13:30] <ant_work> SStrife: is just about kexecboot. raspberry seems one device of interest for ELC. We are sponsored by ELC
[13:31] <ant_work> well, sort of.. ;)
[13:31] <ant_work> ShiftPlusOne: we have asked for funding for further improvements
[13:31] <ShiftPlusOne> what sort of improvements?
[13:32] <ant_work> as of today, I'm testing ubifs detection and boot. Almost done.
[13:32] <shirro> SStrife: http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/u5t8b/motorola_lapdock_pi_pibook/
[13:32] <ant_work> ShiftPlusOne: http://elinux.org/Project_Proposals_for_2012
[13:33] <SStrife> thanks shirro :)
[13:33] <SStrife> Veryevil: There you go :)
[13:33] <Veryevil> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6747
[13:34] <ant_work> ShiftPlusOne: Yuri, the main developer, would happily need help/new ideas
[13:34] <Veryevil> Damn pictures are small on new forum
[13:34] <Veryevil> they are 800x600 images but show up really tiny on the post?
[13:34] <ant_work> ShiftPlusOne: check out latest screenshots http://kexecboot.org/screenshots
[13:35] <ant_work> (we need to adjust output for qvga or use mini 4x6 fonts ;)
[13:36] <ShiftPlusOne> ant_work, Nice, I've just been using a simple bash script and dialog to bring up the menu. My idea is to provide the sample script which will suit 90% of the people, but to allow the other 10% to implement whatever they'd like within that script (network boot, or whatever else they'd like).
[13:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ant_work, http://pastebin.com/chSwjBHd
[13:37] <ShiftPlusOne> the rest is just a kernel and a buildroot rootfs which launches the menu
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[13:37] <ShiftPlusOne> (as built-in initrd)
[13:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I like the idea of having a proper interface though
[13:39] <megaproxy> somone wants to buy my domain :O
[13:39] <megaproxy> comeat.me
[13:41] <ShiftPlusOne> ant_work, any chance you've found a way around the videocore problems? https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/27
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[13:41] <mkopack> Hey gang, can somebody help me out with some problems I'm having building VICE Commodore emulator under Raspbian?
[13:42] <mkopack> I'm performing the configure, and it's complaining "The following important X11 libraries were not found: X11 Xt Xmu Xaw"
[13:42] <ant_work> ShiftPlusOne: no, sorry. I'd check cmdline, though. Otherwise is some driver initialization, maybe.
[13:42] <ant_work> bbl
[13:43] <mkopack> But looking at the dependency list, I try doing an apt-get install on all those things, and it claims they're already installed
[13:43] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, did you check config.log?
[13:44] <ShiftPlusOne> or whatever other log files there might have been... they often contain exactly what the configure script was looking for and where
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[13:45] <mkopack> Hm??? ok, looking through it now, but I have no clue what I'm looking for in it
[13:45] <ShiftPlusOne> pastebin it
[13:48] <mkopack> k, give me a minute
[13:49] <Cheery> hi
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[13:50] <Veryevil> hi
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[13:52] <Cheery> anything fun up?
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[14:03] <Veryevil> Cheery: I've made a sort of Pi Laptop http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6747
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[14:05] <Cheery> Veryevil: I saw it.. though that's a cheap shot. :)
[14:05] <Cheery> phone dock hack.
[14:05] <Cheery> still cool yeah
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[14:10] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne: Sorry this is taking so long, this log is HUGE
[14:10] <mkopack> I'm trying to trim it down, but I don't know what's important and what's not
[14:11] <ShiftPlusOne> you should the the exact error there somewhere
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[14:11] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe search for 'Xmu' and look around that area just before it fails
[14:12] <mkopack> http://pastebin.com/qtpvPSpG
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> well then
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> conftest.c:99:22: fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[14:13] <ShiftPlusOne> are the dev packages available for x11 on raspbian?
[14:13] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe apt-cache search xorg-dev
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[14:13] <mkopack> according to http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/vice you need libx11-6, libxrandr2, libxxf86vm1...
[14:13] <ShiftPlusOne> or are you sure it's installed?
[14:13] <mkopack> So I checked and those are all installed
[14:14] <mjr> Veryevil, yeah, that's amusing :)
[14:14] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, those are runtime dependencies
[14:14] <ShiftPlusOne> to compile you'll need the actual headers and all that
[14:14] <mkopack> Oh, grrr
[14:15] <mjr> Veryevil, were you this guy or are there two of you? http://imgur.com/a/ZvkgN
[14:15] <mkopack> Ok, installing xorg-dev now
[14:15] <ShiftPlusOne> and that should do it
[14:16] <mkopack> k, thanks
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[14:16] <mkopack> Ok, another question...
[14:16] <RITRedbeard> mkopack is a PIMP sons
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[14:16] <RITRedbeard> mjr, I did it.
[14:17] <RITRedbeard> That's my gallery.
[14:17] <mjr> righto
[14:17] <mkopack> I'd like to also build UAE as well.. but I don't know where to get the package/source for it??? How do I find that?
[14:17] <RITRedbeard> oh wait
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[14:17] <RITRedbeard> no it isn't
[14:17] <mkopack> Hexxeh told me where to do the wget to get get the VICE stuff...
[14:17] <RITRedbeard> I thought you meant http://cyberpunkpron.imgur.com/
[14:17] <ShiftPlusOne> UAE?
[14:18] <RITRedbeard> united arab states of terrorism?
[14:18] * urs just built himself vice debian packages.
[14:18] <mkopack> Amiga emulator
[14:18] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[14:18] <urs> (by tweaking them a little bit to link against xaw3d instead of gnomeui, and faking some dependencies)
[14:18] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, what's wrong with the official source?
[14:18] <mkopack> urs: for Debian or Raspbian?
[14:18] <urs> mkopack: Raspbian
[14:19] <mkopack> Where do I find THAT
[14:19] <ShiftPlusOne> google O_o
[14:19] <mkopack> urs: damn it. That's exactly what I'm trying to do right now! LOL
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[14:19] <urs> 8)
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[14:19] <IT_Sean> Morning everyone
[14:19] <urs> mkopack: I'm not sure about the state of the gnomeui-packages, but they were kinda broken yesterday.
[14:19] <mkopack> It's morning. Not sure what's good about it
[14:20] <IT_Sean> It's a lovely morning!
[14:20] <urs> mkopack: so I edited debian/rules to have vice use xaw3d instead of them.
[14:20] <mkopack> Stayed up WAYYYY too late playing Diablo 3 last night
[14:20] <IT_Sean> HA!
[14:20] <IT_Sean> So?
[14:20] <mkopack> and the dog gave me my 7:30am "need to pee Dad" wake up
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[14:20] <mkopack> Want to go back to bed
[14:20] <IT_Sean> nice.
[14:20] <urs> mkopack: Afterwards I still had some trouble with a missing libx11-private, but I just faked an empty package with that name using equivs. :)
[14:20] <IT_Sean> silly dog.
[14:21] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, http://www.amigaemulator.org/files/sources/stable/uae-0.7.6.tar.gz
[14:21] <urs> is there any experience yet if the RPi is fast enough to run uae?
[14:21] <mkopack> Ok, cool. thanks ShiftPlusOne
[14:22] <urs> because it was just barely fast enough for x64
[14:22] <mkopack> urs: don't know???
[14:22] <mkopack> urs: yeah, when I was running standard debian Vice just BARELY could run, and not without the sound having major issues
[14:22] <nid0> stupid cookie laws :(
[14:22] <mkopack> I was hoping a raspbian build might work a bit better
[14:23] <mkopack> I installed use in debian, but only got as far as starting it up and seeing the menu. Hadn't moved my kickstart or game images over to the Pi to try it
[14:23] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, http://bit.ly/Jwws70 =p
[14:24] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne: haha??? just bare with me??? I don't usually do this sort of thing with Linux...
[14:24] <ShiftPlusOne> why is amiga slow to emulate? O_o
[14:24] <PhonicUK> IT_Sean, you missed all the fun last night
[14:24] <IT_Sean> I did!
[14:24] <IT_Sean> Do tell!
[14:24] <urs> ShiftPlusOne: maybe it isn't, that's why I'm asking.
[14:24] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh and I have been working on porting Mupen64Plus
[14:24] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne: Well, it's 16bit 68000 vs 8 bit 6510 processor??? with much better graphics + sound. If it works I'll be amazed
[14:24] <urs> I know the vice people are doing quite a bit of fancy, accurate (and slow) emulation work.
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[14:25] <teh_orph> roflcopter
[14:25] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, that's odd... is UAE using just pure emulation without any kind of jit compiler or anything like that?
[14:25] <PhonicUK> IT_Sean, if we can pull it off - we'll be emulating the N64 on a Pi ^_^
[14:25] <urs> The amiga's soundchip should be easier to emulate for example.
[14:25] <mkopack> urs: I know that somebody had an AtariST emulator running on debian, but they said that running the desktop was usable but any sort of game was horribly slow
[14:25] <IT_Sean> oh, yes. that does sound fun.
[14:26] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne: dunno. I tried using it YEARS ago under windows, but never got very far with it
[14:26] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[14:26] <PhonicUK> ive got mupen64plus itself to compile and run
[14:26] <PhonicUK> and I can start the emulation with no video output
[14:26] <ShiftPlusOne> PhonicUK, not just a matter of stealing from the pandora guys and adding the pi-specific egl/bcm stuff?
[14:28] <PhonicUK> ShiftPlusOne, not quite - its a bit more involved than that
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[14:28] <ShiftPlusOne> damn
[14:28] <PhonicUK> but its not a big deal
[14:29] <PhonicUK> i can do it
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[14:31] <IT_Sean> Ahoyhoy
[14:31] <ReggieUK> hi
[14:31] <mkopack> ok, I'm going back to bed??? catch you guys later
[14:31] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne: Thanks for the help
[14:31] <ReggieUK> g'morning everyone
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[14:32] <PhonicUK> ShiftPlusOne, the main problem is the Pandora is an ARMv7
[14:32] <PhonicUK> and we're an ARMv6
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[14:32] <PhonicUK> so i've been rewriting bits of assembler as C to get it to build
[14:33] <PhonicUK> and then it'll need reoptimizing later
[14:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, didn't know there was assembler involved. Where's this project hosted?
[14:33] <PhonicUK> i don't have the git link to hand right now
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[14:34] <PhonicUK> ah found it
[14:34] <PhonicUK> git://gitorious.org/mupen64plus-arm/mupen64plus-arm.git
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[14:34] <PhonicUK> mupen64 itself is the easy bit, the tricky bit is the gles2 video plugin
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[14:35] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks for the link
[14:35] <PhonicUK> you'll also need
[14:36] <PhonicUK> http://code.google.com/p/gles2n64/source/checkout
[14:36] <PhonicUK> and this header file: http://irrlicht-em.googlecode.com/svn-history/r62/trunk/source/Irrlicht/CM/include/GLES2/gl2extimg.h
[14:36] <ShiftPlusOne> I've got exams now, won't be able to mess around with it, but I've bookmarked those for later. Thanks
[14:36] <PhonicUK> np
[14:41] <PhonicUK> hey i just found a neat solar power supply
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[14:41] <PhonicUK> it supplies 1A at 5v
[14:41] <PhonicUK> more than enough to keep a Pi going :D
[14:42] <arfonzo> Cool, that's neat-o
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[14:42] <PhonicUK> http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/portapow-premium-5w-solar-panel/
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[14:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/80-Watt-Solar-Panel-PV-Monocrystalline-12V-80W-TUV-MCS-Approved-Photovoltaic-/320907253048?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item4ab7901538
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> Twice the price
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> Admittedly, less portable.
[14:47] <fALSO> i bought a very cheap
[14:47] <fALSO> 10w 12v solar panel
[14:47] <fALSO> from china
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> How cheap?
[14:47] <fALSO> (hasnt arrived yet)
[14:47] <fALSO> wait ill give you the url
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[14:47] <fALSO> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261001665612?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_3340wt_899
[14:47] <fALSO> this one
[14:48] <fALSO> VERY CHEAP
[14:48] <fALSO> free shipping
[14:48] <fALSO> 22.38 GBP
[14:49] <fALSO> dont know if its any good!
[14:49] <PhonicUK> nice thing about the one i picked out was it has a battery in it and is already the right voltage
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> That is a reasonable price.
[14:49] <fALSO> i bought a 12v battery too
[14:49] <fALSO> and a solar panel controller for it
[14:49] <fALSO> trying to make some experiments
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> I bought rather more - 420W
[14:50] <fALSO> ahhhh
[14:50] <fALSO> i have a little shack with a farm and stuff with a few friends
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> - grid tied - will pay back in 8ish years - if I'm not compelled to change meter.
[14:51] <fALSO> and im going to try to get electricity there :-)
[14:51] <fALSO> just to listen to some radio, and have a light
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> Where are you?
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> In the UK?
[14:51] <fALSO> Portugal
[14:51] <fALSO> just below UK :)
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvgis/apps4/pvest.php
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> You may find of use - if you're not aware of it
[14:52] <fALSO> nice!
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> A 10W southfacing panel will produce around 13.5kWh a yware
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> year
[14:53] <fALSO> i have to learn more about that "side to face" thingy
[14:53] <fALSO> its best to put it to the side the sun rises?
[14:53] <SpeedEvil> In general - south facing is best.
[14:53] <fALSO> ok :-D
[14:53] <fALSO> im going to check the values with a multimeter to see which side is best
[14:54] <fALSO> lol
[14:54] <SpeedEvil> 34 degrees - for lisbon - away from horizontal
[14:54] <fALSO> nice
[14:54] <shirro> i wonder what people on the equator do? tilt them with the season? leave them flat?
[14:54] <SpeedEvil> Flat works.
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> Probably you'd tilt them east or west a little - to make runoff work
[14:56] <shirro> i am amazed germany is producing so much solar power. i am a bit disappointed we don't do more. too much cheap coal and natural gas :-(
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> Portugal is in a bloody good place for it.
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> I guess also air conditioning is widely used?
[14:56] <fALSO> not that widely
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> What do you pay per kWh of electricity?
[14:56] <fALSO> its a bit expensive
[14:56] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Use a solar cone, ALL THE SIDES!
[14:57] <fALSO> we normally just have AC at work
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[14:57] <fALSO> only "rich" people have it at home
[14:57] <fALSO> lol
[14:57] <PhonicUK> my george forman grill is also a solar panel!
[14:57] <PhonicUK> https://www.powertraveller.com/iwantsome/primatepower/solargorilla/
[14:58] <fALSO> that looks awesome phonicuk
[14:58] <fALSO> but expensive :)
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[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Stupid people.
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> 'it relies on the UV intensity of the sun'
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> - bullshit.
[15:00] <drazyl> we all know it depends on the light faeries
[15:00] <fALSO> lolololololol
[15:07] <shirro> I should get some solar (apart from lights). My latitude is basically mirror of north africa, and inland and semi-arid.
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[15:41] <Hexxeh> PhonicUK: any progress?
[15:41] <Hexxeh> i almost got it working last night :)
[15:41] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, im out at the moment so not touched since last night
[15:42] <Hexxeh> you don't need to rewrite any ASM :)
[15:42] <PhonicUK> it runs and begins emulation if i use the null video plugin and orly?
[15:42] <Hexxeh> yeah
[15:42] <PhonicUK> what was I missing?
[15:42] <Hexxeh> i've built the gles2 plugin too
[15:42] <PhonicUK> ooooh
[15:42] <Hexxeh> you had your makefiles setup wrong
[15:42] <PhonicUK> righto, what was I missing?
[15:42] <Hexxeh> the CFLAGS needed changing
[15:43] <Hexxeh> also, it was looking for armv7l to set it's arch variable
[15:43] <PhonicUK> i'll ping you later to ask what they are
[15:43] <Hexxeh> needed changing to armv6l
[15:43] <PhonicUK> right
[15:43] <Hexxeh> gles plugin needed a couple patches to build and run, no output still though atm
[15:43] <Hexxeh> glError 0x502
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[15:43] <PhonicUK> we should fork the source and set up a repo
[15:43] <PhonicUK> *the project
[15:44] <Hexxeh> i need to pick somebody who knows about GLESs brains
[15:44] <PhonicUK> mmmm GLES brains
[15:44] <Hexxeh> http://pastebin.com/DfB3zyfn
[15:44] <PhonicUK> GL_INVALID_OPERATION - The operation is now allowed in the current state
[15:45] <Hexxeh> yeah
[15:45] <Hexxeh> essentially a generic error really
[15:45] <PhonicUK> drop the depth buffer size?
[15:45] <Hexxeh> in the configAttribs?
[15:45] <PhonicUK> yeah
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[15:46] <Hexxeh> i should point out I don't know anything about EGL/GLES
[15:46] <PhonicUK> likewise
[15:46] <Hexxeh> http://pastebin.com/PQUsvgKe
[15:46] <Hexxeh> if you uncomment that line, it doesn't manage to create a surface at all
[15:46] <megaproxy> anyone wana buy a xbox360?
[15:46] <Hexxeh> if you comment it out like i have, you get a surface, but issues when trying to draw to it it seems
[15:47] <PhonicUK> are you in X at this point?
[15:47] <Hexxeh> nope
[15:47] <Hexxeh> disabled X support
[15:48] <PhonicUK> try changing the surface type from a window to a screen?
[15:48] <PhonicUK> brb
[15:48] <Hexxeh> EGL_SCREEN_BIT?
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[15:53] <RITRedbeard> lapdock is compatible with RPi 100%?
[15:53] <RITRedbeard> whats resolution?
[15:55] <Veryevil> yeah
[15:55] <Veryevil> getting 1366 x 768
[15:55] <Veryevil> its native res
[15:55] <RITRedbeard> for $90?
[15:56] <Veryevil> what ever you can get it for
[15:56] <RITRedbeard> seems to be the road of least resistance for Pi-top
[15:56] <drazyl> what ports does the lapdock have on it
[15:56] <Veryevil> but you will need some custom cables / adapters
[15:56] <Veryevil> the laptock has
[15:56] <RITRedbeard> I wish I could rip the screen off the lapdock :(
[15:56] <Veryevil> the lapdock has micro hdmi MALE and micro usb MALE
[15:57] <Veryevil> i use a Micro HDMI Female to Micro HDMI Female adapter with a Micro HDMI to HDMI cable
[15:57] <drazyl> does it present a standard hdmi display and usb keyboard?
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[15:57] <Veryevil> yeah its a standard hdmi monitor and usb keyboard and track pad
[15:57] <drazyl> awesome
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[15:58] <RITRedbeard> is there an hdmi monitor like that but 10.4" ?
[15:58] <RITRedbeard> or 10?
[15:58] <RITRedbeard> sans keyboard
[15:58] <RITRedbeard> etc etc etc
[15:58] <drazyl> might need to get hold of one as a portable screen and keyboard
[15:58] <Veryevil> I also got a Female MicroUSB adaptor and spliced it to a MicroUSB male to power the PI and an USB A Male to connect the USB part e.g. D+ D- and GND to connect the keyboard and trackpad
[15:59] <Veryevil> It also has a really big Li-Poly battery which can power the PI for hours
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[16:00] <RITRedbeard> Is it the Droid Lapdock?
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[16:00] <RITRedbeard> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=lapdock
[16:00] <Veryevil> Im using the Atrix Lapdock
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[16:01] <Veryevil> Mines got a UK keyboard
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[16:01] <Veryevil> as well
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[16:03] <RITRedbeard> ugh
[16:03] <RITRedbeard> I wish they'd just sell the screen
[16:03] <RITRedbeard> is there any way to detatch the keyboard?
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[16:04] <Veryevil> No
[16:04] <Veryevil> well
[16:04] <RITRedbeard> how about with some creative surgery?
[16:04] <RITRedbeard> surely
[16:04] <Veryevil> there is a controller board and lipoly battery in the case
[16:05] <Veryevil> you also need to do some soldering
[16:05] <RITRedbeard> how large is the screen again?
[16:06] <RITRedbeard> 11.6" for Motorola ATRIX 4G Lapdock
[16:06] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, yup
[16:06] <PhonicUK> any joy with that?
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[16:06] <Hexxeh> PhonicUK: doesn't exist
[16:06] <PhonicUK> ah
[16:06] <PhonicUK> take a peek in the header and see what other surface types exist?
[16:10] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, of course we're probably in an invalid state because we've not done the bcm init yet.
[16:10] <Hexxeh> we have
[16:10] <Hexxeh> i added that
[16:10] <PhonicUK> ah
[16:10] <Hexxeh> you don't even get this far without that :P
[16:10] <PhonicUK> righto
[16:10] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[16:10] <Hexxeh> oddly this is the same error i saw with chrome :/
[16:11] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, btw I've made a forum post for it
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[16:12] <Hexxeh> link?
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[16:13] <Hexxeh> how'd i enable verbose logging in mupen btw?
[16:13] <PhonicUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=6761&p=85723#p85723
[16:13] <PhonicUK> +v ?
[16:14] <PhonicUK> you can also do LIBGLES_DEBUG=verbose
[16:14] <PhonicUK> and LIBGL_DEBUG
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[16:15] <PhonicUK> eh -v not +v
[16:15] <PhonicUK> but ive no idea
[16:15] <stealthii> aren't unofficial channels supposed to be ##?
[16:15] <Hexxeh> doesn't work
[16:15] <PhonicUK> no idea then, i can take a look later though
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[16:17] <stealthii> wow, a lot of familiar faces
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[16:17] <stealthii> hi PhonicUK
[16:17] <PhonicUK> hey
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[16:22] <Skrotus> yo
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[16:29] <zgreg> http://rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/
[16:29] <zgreg> I can't imagine they're not putting the UK on priority for orders
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[16:31] <andatche> I'm trying to build the RTL819xSU kernel module to support my wifi adapter but having issues downloading the source from the realtek site :(
[16:31] <andatche> don't suppose anyone has a copy of RTL819xSU_usb_linux_v2.
[16:31] <PhonicUK> google the filename?
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[16:31] <ahven> hmm, had an older copy of it..
[16:32] <andatche> PhonicUK: tried, no luck
[16:32] <andatche> I've tried building rtl8192CU_linux_v2.0.939.20100726 but it doesn't seem to work with 3.1.9
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[16:34] <nid0> hah, whaddaya know, i'm like a mile from Gadgetoid_mbp
[16:34] <teh_orph> how do you know that?
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[16:34] <nid0> http://rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/
[16:34] <PhonicUK> the map
[16:35] <andatche> damn realtek, their website is awful
[16:35] <jzu> andatche: currently downloading it
[16:36] <andatche> jzu: from http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=277&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true ?
[16:36] <teh_orph> huh, loads near me too!
[16:36] <jzu> it's an FTP download: your fw could block it
[16:36] <jzu> http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=48&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#2292
[16:36] <andatche> my fw doesn't block it, all the ftp mirrors refuse an anonymous login
[16:36] <andatche> at least, from here they are doing
[16:36] <PhonicUK> who runs the map?
[16:36] <jzu> and it opened a bloank window
[16:36] <PhonicUK> they've got some bad juju somewhere :P
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[16:37] <andatche> I wonder why it's refusing, will test from elsewhere later
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[16:37] <jzu> andatche: wait a sec
[16:37] <andatche> jzu: if you could upload it somewhere or mail me a copy, that would be awesome
[16:37] <PhonicUK> its funny how few Pis there are in Ireland compared to everywhere else
[16:38] <jzu> will do that when it's over
[16:38] <oldtopman> Good morning ShiftPlusOne.
[16:38] <ShiftPlusOne> oldtopman, ahoy
[16:39] <oldtopman> Internet is a bit more stable, but timeouts every once in a while.
[16:39] <oldtopman> Did you get your pi yet?
[16:39] <PhonicUK> hmm
[16:39] <ShiftPlusOne> oldtopman, yeah I ordered as soon as they were released.
[16:39] <PhonicUK> apparently the GPU in the Pi outstrips the one in the iPhone 4S
[16:40] <oldtopman> I did too, but that doesn't mean that I have one :S
[16:40] * PhonicUK dances around
[16:40] <PhonicUK> i have a pi ^_^
[16:40] <PhonicUK> i love it
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> oldtopman, any delivery date?
[16:40] <ShiftPlusOne> PhonicUK, doesn't it outstrip all mobile gpus?
[16:40] <oldtopman> June 18th for shipping from newark
[16:40] <PhonicUK> I'd be supprised if it can outperform a Tegra 3
[16:40] <teh_orph> why isn't it used more then?
[16:41] <PhonicUK> why isn't what used more?
[16:41] <oldtopman> So, I'm working on a game (indie obv), that 8 can compile for pi users.
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[16:41] <ShiftPlusOne> oldtopman, that's not too bad. Might as well get scratchbox2 ready and such.
[16:42] <teh_orph> PhonicUK - the GPU
[16:42] <ShiftPlusOne> oldtopman, what's the game?
[16:42] <teh_orph> surely if it's that awesome, it would be in more devices?
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[16:42] <oldtopman> I think the pi needs a sort of appstore thing (perhaps free only), but there aren't a lot of arm-ready apps out there.
[16:42] <Guest79876> got my raspberry pi :D
[16:42] <PhonicUK> teh_orph, likely power usage. The Pi isn't contrained by the same power restrictions as mobile devices
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[16:42] <teh_orph> ah that's not a fair comparison then!
[16:42] <PhonicUK> its easy to be a faster GPU when you've got 500ma guarenteed
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[16:42] <PhonicUK> precisely
[16:42] <PhonicUK> its not that fair
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> oldtopman, what's the difference between an appstore and the distro repos? O_o
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[16:43] <oldtopman> ShiftPlusOne: Text based adventure, with RPG elements. Not certain, but that seems to be where it's going.
[16:43] <nid0> a pretty frontend
[16:43] <oldtopman> ^
[16:43] <oldtopman> Perhaps a simple one like Ubuntu's.
[16:43] <ShiftPlusOne> like ubuntu's 'software cen... yeah that.
[16:43] <oldtopman> Heh
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[16:44] * oldtopman should just recompile sc
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[16:44] <oldtopman> Actually, I really want to make sure Naev works on it.
[16:45] <ShiftPlusOne> is that like 2d elite?
[16:45] <oldtopman> Maybe?
[16:45] <oldtopman> It's pretty unique.
[16:45] <oldtopman> Blog.naev.org
[16:46] <oldtopman> Http://Blog.naev.org
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[16:46] <andatche> looks like the latest rtl8192SU won't compile with 3.1.9 either :(
[16:46] <andatche> that or I'm missing something important from my kernel config
[16:46] <ShiftPlusOne> andatche, what's the error?
[16:47] <PhonicUK> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Port-Mains-Power-Supply-Cable/dp/B000J3WE0W/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1338216312&sr=1-5 << seems ideal for the pi!
[16:47] <PhonicUK> plop the pi on top
[16:47] <andatche> ShiftPlusOne: http://pastebin.com/Rm6UfUqe
[16:48] <andatche> trying to build it on raspian (hardfp) with a custom kernel, config for the kernel is similar to the stock one though, just enabled a couple of extras like IPv6
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[16:48] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: how goes X? :)
[16:48] <teh_orph> as boring as ever :-(
[16:48] <andatche> someone has got it working, as this post provides a link to a binary kernel module - http://www.ctrl-alt-del.cc/2012/05/raspberry-pi-meets-edimax-ew-7811un-wireless-ada.html
[16:48] <teh_orph> the rabbit hole goes deeeep
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[16:49] <andatche> sadly no instructions on building it though
[16:49] <teh_orph> btw 32-bit X is a go now
[16:49] <ShiftPlusOne> andatche, do you have a link to the source I could wget and try?
[16:49] <Veryevil> teh_orph: no more 888 > 565?
[16:49] <PhonicUK> teh_orph, orly?
[16:49] <teh_orph> vip
[16:49] <PhonicUK> awesome
[16:50] <teh_orph> needs a new start.elf though
[16:50] <PhonicUK> now all we need is accelerated X xD
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[16:50] <mjr> ipv6 is hardly an extra, isn't the point to get so many pis out there that v4s run out?
[16:50] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: presume said ELF is obtained via the mailing list?
[16:50] <Veryevil> teh_orph: has Dom built you one?#
[16:50] <andatche> ShiftPlusOne: http://pi.andatche.com/rtl8712_8188_8191_8192SU_usb_linux_v2.
[16:50] <andatche> served from a pi :)
[16:50] <teh_orph> he mailed me it - I'm not sure if it's public yet
[16:51] <ShiftPlusOne> andatche, nice!
[16:51] <andatche> mjr: agreed, but the stock raspbian kernel was missing v6 support
[16:51] <PhonicUK> anyone got a XBMC image I can just dump onto an SD?
[16:52] <kvarley> PhonicUK: Not an image but I do have a full binary zip for you
[16:53] <PhonicUK> that'd be cool
[16:53] <PhonicUK> for deb?
[16:53] <kvarley> Full images are hard for XBMC since it depends upon a second ext partition to use as a swap
[16:53] <PhonicUK> right
[16:53] <kvarley> PhonicUK: I have OpenELEC which is a lightweight Linux distro
[16:53] <kvarley> You could just pull the binaries outta the package tho
[16:53] <PhonicUK> aye ive come across openelec
[16:53] <kvarley> PhonicUK: http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[16:53] <Veryevil> teh_orph: what are you trying now with x?
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[16:54] <teh_orph> looking both into the client-side (software) pixman compositing
[16:54] <teh_orph> and how to parallelise my DMA kicks
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[16:54] <teh_orph> compositon is much easier in 888 rather than 565
[16:55] <PhonicUK> ooh i hope we can get xcomposite
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[16:57] <zgreg> 565 also looks pretty bad
[16:58] <zgreg> and regarding ipv6, that definitely is not an extra, it's a must
[16:59] <stealthii> :o if so, awesome
[17:01] <zgreg> I'm not sure running a compositing manager is a good idea on the pi, composition needs additional (video) memory
[17:02] <PhonicUK> indeed, it'd just look cool
[17:03] <zgreg> using high resolutions such as 1080p puts enough load on ram already
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[17:03] <PhonicUK> indeed
[17:03] <PhonicUK> I wanna get a cheap 720p display
[17:03] <zgreg> it does not only need ram, it also eats up a nice portion of memory bandwidth
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[17:04] <ShiftPlusOne> andatche, getting the same errors here
[17:04] <zgreg> so what do you want, fast CPU or high resolution display? :D
[17:04] <zgreg> choose one
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[17:11] <Veryevil> whats the quickest and easiest way to test sound on PI?
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[17:11] <Veryevil> I have modprobed driver
[17:11] <Veryevil> and im on raspbian
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[17:13] <PhonicUK> Veryevil, apt-get install mpg123
[17:13] <PhonicUK> wget some MP3 file
[17:13] * oldtopman prefers madplay
[17:14] <jzu> http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.wav
[17:14] <fALSO> hi
[17:14] <fALSO> my name is linus tornballs
[17:14] <fALSO> and i pronounce lunix as lunix
[17:14] <PhonicUK> ....
[17:14] <fALSO> :)
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[17:23] <ShiftPlusOne> andatche, stumbled upon this yet? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1881434
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[17:24] <andatche> ShiftPlusOne: yup, given up trying to patch though, found a working version
[17:24] <andatche> http://nathan.chantrell.net/20120526/edimax-ew-7811un-wi-fi-adapter-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[17:25] <RITRedbeard> :(
[17:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nice
[17:26] <oldtopman> So, how many of you people ordered *waay* t
[17:26] <oldtopman> Ordered more than one pi?
[17:27] <nid0> <
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> I ordered one Pi.
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> Three time ...
[17:27] <ReggieUK> I didn't order any
[17:27] <RITRedbeard> I'm never going to get one.
[17:27] <ReggieUK> but will have 2 at some point soon
[17:27] <oldtopman> ReggieUK: How's that work?
[17:27] <PhonicUK> im gonna order more once ive moved home
[17:27] <drazyl> one on my desk as of this weekend with another expected in the next couple of weeks
[17:27] <ReggieUK> it's called 'Dad, can you order me a pi on your farnell account plz, thx'
[17:28] <oldtopman> Heh
[17:28] <drazyl> ReggieUK - technically you did order, but from a re-distributor :)
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[17:28] <ReggieUK> and 'Dad, I got a code through from RS, any chance you can get someone to order it for me?'
[17:28] <ReggieUK> for the 2nd one
[17:29] <ReggieUK> which will be my sons
[17:29] <kvarley> ReggieUK: RS and Farnell are sepearate so you can order 2
[17:29] <oldtopman> I'm going to end up with 3 :S
[17:29] <Kolin> ordering two pi's from different places is just mean!
[17:29] <ReggieUK> I don't have CC etc. to order anything
[17:29] <ReggieUK> they're not both for me
[17:29] <ReggieUK> one for me, one for my son
[17:29] <drazyl> Kolin - everyone had to do it because of the way it was handled
[17:29] <Kolin> they did? i didnt
[17:30] <oldtopman> RS essentially said that I wasn't on their mailing list, but they sent me a code just the other week.
[17:30] <drazyl> you didn't register with both?
[17:30] <oldtopman> And Newark never confirmed whether or not I was on theirs, but I ordered somehow.
[17:30] <Kolin> nope
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> actually, I only really ordered twice - I never thought I'd get the RS email, but I did - eventually, so I ordered that too.
[17:30] <Kolin> i registered with RS and waited
[17:30] <oldtopman> So I picked up one from Allied.
[17:30] <drazyl> fair enough, think you are in the minority
[17:30] <RITRedbeard> I'm never going to get one.
[17:30] <drazyl> and as they are building to order, it's not really mean if you ordered from both, as you have asked them to make 2 not 1
[17:31] <oldtopman> They effed this up big time.
[17:31] <Gadgetoid_mbp> nid0: ?
[17:31] <oldtopman> RS sent me two emails, but claimed that I'd get 4-6 emails over time.
[17:32] <oldtopman> Farnell was silent, allied was mah only hope
[17:32] <Gadgetoid_mbp> nid0: Another Norwichian, eh?
[17:32] <nid0> yer, i'm out in costessey
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[17:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> nid0: Aha, see you on the map now
[17:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> We've almost got enough Pi's in Norwich for a full-blown bramble
[17:34] <PhonicUK> need more bristolians up in here!
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[17:34] <gordonDrogon> I used to live in Brizzle...
[17:34] <nid0> idd, I know a couple of others not on the map who're still waiting for theirs from RS
[17:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> We definitely need a hack-day
[17:34] <tux_> I'm trying to get mpd working on the pi but it doesn't seem to like my audio settings with type "alsa". What audio settings do I need in the mpd config?
[17:34] <PhonicUK> anyone else tried 3D video output on their Pi?
[17:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> PhonicUK: you mean, as in 3D 3D?
[17:35] <PhonicUK> yes
[17:35] <drazyl> isn;t that 6d?
[17:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Never thought to try??? hmmm
[17:35] <drazyl> or 9dd?
[17:36] <PhonicUK> as in a 3D TV
[17:36] <drazyl> or something
[17:36] <PhonicUK> it works really well
[17:36] <PhonicUK> using SBS mode
[17:36] <Veryevil> Now have sound working on my Raspberry Pi Laptop!
[17:36] <drazyl> excellent
[17:36] <drazyl> does it run windows?
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[17:36] * Veryevil veryevil rolls his eyes at drazyl
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[17:40] <teh_orph> one hour till home o'clock...
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[17:41] <gordonDrogon> Hm.... Just tried an SDL app in 16bpp on the console... It went very fast... Then crashed.
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[17:41] <gordonDrogon> My thinking is that some of my crashes may well be due to my thinking I can use a 32bpp mode when it's really 16bpp hardware ...
[17:42] <teh_orph> change to 32-bit mode console...?
[17:42] <zleap> gordonDrogon, can i pm u
[17:47] <dmsuse> raspberry pi laptop ?
[17:47] <Veryevil> dmuse: yeah
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[17:47] <dmsuse> okay...............
[17:47] <Veryevil> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6747
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[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Veryevil, is there anything that doesn't work?
[17:49] <teh_orph> that looks sur-weet
[17:49] <Veryevil> nope
[17:49] <Veryevil> Just got sound working
[17:49] <dmsuse> not bad
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Well then... I am getting me one of those if it's not too much
[17:50] <Veryevil> So 11.6inch 1366x768 screen, UK keyboard, Massive trackpad, Huge Lipoly Battery, Sound.....
[17:51] <Veryevil> http://www.oyyy.co.uk/product.php/220891/atrix-mb860-lapdock
[17:51] <Davespice> Veryevil: that's cool man
[17:51] <Veryevil> I got mine from there except I paid ??41 inc Vat
[17:52] <Veryevil> Thats is the UK keyboard one
[17:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> veryevil: that's awesome! good work
[17:52] <PhonicUK> not bad!
[17:53] <Veryevil> getting the connectors and adpaters is a faff
[17:53] <[SLB]> i thought there were no speakers
[17:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm not so fussed about it powering my Pi, but having a separate screen/keyboard would be a huge help
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[17:53] <Veryevil> it took the 3 weeks for the adpaters to arrive from China
[17:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Very tempted to buy :D
[17:53] <ShiftPlusOne> can't find any for a decent price with a regular keyboard and that will ship outside of USA
[17:53] <ShiftPlusOne> =(
[17:54] <Veryevil> http://www.oyyy.co.uk/product.php/220891/atrix-mb860-lapdock
[17:54] <Davespice> Veryevil: any chance you could produce a little cable diagram? :)
[17:54] <Veryevil> I explain it in the thread
[17:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Veryevil, does the exact model matter or would any Atrix 4g dock be pretty much the same?
[17:54] <Veryevil> Dont know
[17:55] <Veryevil> you UK or US?
[17:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Looks like the cables will be a pain in the behind though
[17:55] <ShiftPlusOne> US keyboard, but located in Australia.
[17:55] <Davespice> Veryevil: I know you do but not everyone can follow those instructions
[17:55] <Veryevil> ha ha
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[17:56] <Davespice> I just think a diagram would make things easier to visualise, but I appreciate you have no obligation to do this - or even care
[17:56] <Veryevil> sure I can knock one up
[17:57] <Davespice> I think this could be a fantastic solution for a lot of kids out there though
[17:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> veryevil: how much have the cables set you back? :D
[17:57] <ShiftPlusOne> yay, ebay seems to have plenty of them
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[17:57] <Veryevil> less than ??10 they just took three weeks
[17:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> youch!
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[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Veryevil, thanks a lot for this, that's really awesome.
[17:58] <RITRedbeard> dumb question
[17:58] <RITRedbeard> is there something like dropbox that you can share public folders
[17:58] <_av500__> dropbox maybe?
[17:58] <RITRedbeard> dropbox only lets you share individual file links
[17:58] <RITRedbeard> not entire directories
[17:59] <RITRedbeard> to non-members
[17:59] <Veryevil> Ive had the lapdock sat here for that long and a PI for longer!
[17:59] <Veryevil> just got the bits today
[17:59] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, laptoping my Pi wouldn't bode my rapidly diminishing paypal balance well??? the Pi is costly to hack on :D
[17:59] <Davespice> that's a really good bit of work, first person to do it
[17:59] <RITRedbeard> I remember talking about lapdock before pi release
[18:00] <RITRedbeard> what will be very interesting is the A10 Allwinner device in there
[18:00] <RITRedbeard> so I might be a buyer
[18:00] <Davespice> if we could find a way to mount the board on the back of the screen somehow, that would be awesome :)
[18:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It's not badly priced for a portable screen/keyboard/battery
[18:00] <_av500__> when does the A10 device ship?
[18:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Davespice: nothing a bit of glue wont fix :D
[18:01] <Davespice> Veryevil: so you have the female to female hdmi gender bender and then use a micro Hdmi to full size hdmi cable to connect it to the Pi?
[18:01] <lee> I can has pi
[18:02] <Davespice> does the sound work okay through that?
[18:02] <Veryevil> yeah njo cvable modding for HDMI
[18:03] <ShiftPlusOne> k... ordered the dock
[18:03] <Veryevil> the adapter is FEMALE to FEMALE
[18:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Guuuh must fight temptation, supposed to be holding onto cash for a myriad of electrical gubbins to hook up to GPIO
[18:03] <Veryevil> then standard micro HDMI to Normal HDMI
[18:04] <PhonicUK> you know what that dock would be awesome for?
[18:04] <PhonicUK> hook up a PS3 or something to it
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[18:04] <PReDiToR> I'm late to the party, can someone post a link to the dock in question, please?
[18:04] <PhonicUK> http://www.oyyy.co.uk/product.php/220891/atrix-mb860-lapdock?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=Base
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> ebay - atrix laptopce
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> lapdock
[18:05] <PReDiToR> ty
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[18:07] <Davespice> Veryevil: so the sound does work okay?
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[18:08] <Veryevil> as well as the driver
[18:08] <Veryevil> not sure if volume keys work
[18:08] <Davespice> that's cool, I know the alsa driver is only in alpha
[18:09] <amelia_> I seem to have missed the talk, but how can this dock interface with the Pi?
[18:09] <UnaClocker> I went wild with apt-get last night.. Now X starts automatically on boot and gives me a login prompt, and I set xfce as the default window manager. :)
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[18:12] <DaQatz> Nooo use KDE4
[18:12] <DaQatz> >.>
[18:12] <DaQatz> <.<
[18:12] <teh_orph> does kde run on the pi?
[18:13] <teh_orph> if so, anyone know which WM it uses?
[18:13] <UnaClocker> KDE4 is a bit heavy. xfce is pretty light.
[18:13] <UnaClocker> lxde is default.
[18:13] <fALSO> blackbox4lyfe :-D
[18:13] <UnaClocker> There is a qt5 distro on the RPi downloads page, that's KDE, I think.
[18:13] <DaQatz> If you could not tell, KDE4 was a joke.
[18:13] <teh_orph> something else to test...
[18:14] <UnaClocker> DaQatz: I had a feeling.
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[18:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> openbox for the great success :D
[18:17] <[SLB]> i liked windowmaker at those times eheh
[18:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> amelia_: the dock has standard micro-HDMI and micro-USB connectors, they're just male which makes adapting them a bit of a hassle
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[18:23] <ReggieUK> Gadgetoid, I don't think it'd be that much of a hassle myself to adapt
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[18:26] <UnaClocker> Maybe I didn't spend enough time with openbox, but it just seemed hideous to me..
[18:26] <UnaClocker> But I thought the same thing of enlightenment when I installed that last night. Ugly ugly ugly. Too difficult to improve, so I canned it.
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[18:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> For the few times I need a GUI for my Pi, I have to go as minimal as I can get
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[18:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> nothing-but-a-right-click-menu-by-default works nicely :D
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[18:32] <teh_orph> home time
[18:32] <teh_orph> hells yeah
[18:32] <Veryevil> Lapdock Forum post updated with USB diagram
[18:32] <Veryevil> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6747&p=85875#p85875
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[18:33] <drazyl> that's one frankencable
[18:33] <ShiftPlusOne> "Yay, thanks for copying my idea(which I posted about a month ago) but taking the easy way out, buying a lapdock. " O_o what's that guy's deal? Was he the first person to think "you coul make a laptop out of this"? o_O
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[18:33] <Veryevil> What a douche
[18:34] <nid0> there's posts from like january going on about laptop ideas, maybe dig out that douche's thread and go troll his complaining about him "stealing" the even older suggestions
[18:34] <drazyl> look forward to trolling him later on :)
[18:34] <Veryevil> drazyl: yeah i've ordered a 0.5m cable which should help
[18:34] <Veryevil> think its 1.5m or 2m now
[18:34] <ShiftPlusOne> will be interesting to see how his turns out. http://raspberrypilaptop.tk/
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[18:36] <Veryevil> ha ha
[18:36] <Veryevil> ok got to go home
[18:36] <Veryevil> been here toooooo long
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[18:38] <PReDiToR> LXDE is great once you've installed GTK (2 and 3) then the rest of Gnome so that programs can run. Then bang in Qt3 for Skype and Qt4 for dolphin ... Don't get me wrong, I love LXDE, I used to run it by default on my lappy.
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[18:38] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on what software you use
[18:39] <PReDiToR> Mind you, that's on Arch so maybe it was ME doing it wrong.
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[18:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Sounds like you're not sticking to lightweight software
[18:40] <PReDiToR> ShiftPlusOne - I might be guilty of that.
[18:40] <PReDiToR> LXDE is nice. I even played with JWM for a while. That can be set up to be quite smart.
[18:41] <hamitron> what has smart got to do with anything? ;)
[18:41] <hamitron> sounding more like a Mac user :/
[18:41] <oldtopman> XD
[18:41] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[18:41] <PReDiToR> I meant clever lol
[18:41] <PReDiToR> Don't let the iPhone fool you, I've been Linux for many years =)
[18:42] <hamitron> linux is getting boring now
[18:42] <hamitron> far too popular
[18:42] <hamitron> doesn't have the geek cred it once had
[18:42] <chnopsx> too mainstream? hipster :D
[18:42] <ShiftPlusOne> you don't get to be a hipster anymore? =(
[18:42] <nid0> I had an iphone user ask whether our mailservers support iMap today
[18:42] * nid0 guntoheadandpulltrigger
[18:43] <chris_99> time to write your own OS hamitron
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[18:43] <hamitron> don't tempt me
[18:43] <hamitron> ;)
[18:43] <hamitron> I actually keep considering this
[18:43] <hamitron> if I had more time....
[18:43] <tech2077> ShiftPlusOne, do you have the .config for your ArchLinux.image
[18:43] <chris_99> a friend of mine is doing that, and it looks a _lot_ of work
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[18:43] <ShiftPlusOne> tech2077, yes, but you know you can extract it from the image itself, right?
[18:44] <tech2077> ShiftPlusOne, seems i do not
[18:44] <chnopsx> you can always run one of the BSD offshoots
[18:44] <hamitron> or minix
[18:44] <chris_99> that's too mainstream though still
[18:44] <ShiftPlusOne> tech2077, ./scripts/extract-ikconfig /path/to/ArchLinux.image
[18:44] <chris_99> you want to go UNDERGROUND
[18:45] <chnopsx> hurd? :D
[18:45] <tech2077> thanks
[18:45] <hamitron> I was thinking more, minix 2.0
[18:45] <hamitron> ;)
[18:45] <ShiftPlusOne> tech2077, add a "> .config"
[18:45] <hamitron> totally dead afaik, so bringing it back from the dead, keeping it small and porting to the r-pi would be cool
[18:45] <ShiftPlusOne> tech2077, if you're on a pi, you can also extract it from the running kernel with "zcat /proc/config.gz > .config"
[18:46] <hamitron> s/cool/geeky
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[18:47] <hamitron> actually, are there any efforts with hurd on the r-pi?
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[18:48] <rm> afaik hurd is i386-only at the moment
[18:48] <hamitron> I never shown much interest tbh
[18:48] <tech2077> ShiftPlusOne, you also found that vchiq has problems with kexec right
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[18:48] <ShiftPlusOne> tech2077, yup, are you playing with the loader?
[18:49] <tech2077> yep
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[18:49] <tech2077> was trying to get raspbmc working
[18:49] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, noticed that when trying to get OpenELEC working.... submitted the issue on github, so hopefuly someone who knows what's going on will look into it
[18:50] <tech2077> this means that all loaded distros won't have any gpu acceleration right
[18:50] <ShiftPlusOne> tech2077, you could follow this https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/27 to keep posted
[18:50] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that's right
[18:50] <tech2077> since i was able to load a windowing manager on arch
[18:50] <PReDiToR> Xcompiling OpenELEC failed for me. although it did seem to be reinventing the wheel by building the gcc toolchain again. Already installed from Xcompiling the kernel.
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[18:51] <ShiftPlusOne> PReDiToR, that might have been a stage 1 toolchain
[18:52] <PReDiToR> ShiftPlusOne - Stage 1, 2, elibs, headers; all were built for kernel.
[18:52] <ShiftPlusOne> they've probably got their reasons... though the compile does seem to take longer than it should
[18:53] <PReDiToR> I expect a lot of (gently now,) n00bs need to build the Xcompile because it's the first time they've built for another arch.
[18:54] <tech2077> i didn't need to build mine to cross compile for the pi
[18:54] <tech2077> there was a packaged cross compiler
[18:55] <tech2077> unlike the time with arm-none....
[18:55] <PReDiToR> I use Arch Linux so a lot of the ARM stuff comes from AUR and needs to be built from source.
[18:56] <tech2077> is there a tool for deb packages on arch, like alien on debian
[18:56] <PReDiToR> I imagine alien is there somewhere
[18:56] <tech2077> but alien is for rpm
[18:56] <tech2077> what about for installing .deb on arch, other than extracting them
[18:57] <ShiftPlusOne> haven't had to yet
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[18:57] <PReDiToR> dpkg is there, just looking. I've not used .RPMs or .DEBs on it.
[18:57] <ShiftPlusOne> but I hope there is no such tool, that's just an ugly way of doing it
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[18:58] <tech2077> i would generally not use it, but i don't want to deal with cross compiling arch packages when there are debs prebuilt
[18:59] <PReDiToR> https://code.google.com/p/archalien/
[19:00] <ShiftPlusOne> that arch repos seem to be quite sufficient
[19:01] <PReDiToR> Agreed
[19:01] <PReDiToR> Whatever isn't in the repos is usually in the AUR.
[19:02] <tech2077> i had problems with aur on raspberry pi
[19:02] <hamitron> does the latest firefox compile for the r-pi?
[19:02] <PReDiToR> Had or are having?
[19:03] <tech2077> both
[19:03] <tech2077> xz seems to not have enough memory
[19:03] <ShiftPlusOne> wow... that raspberry pi laptop guy is clueless
[19:04] <PReDiToR> That doesn't surprise me. kill your GUI, drop to a physical console, start with the arm_224 start.elf ... all these might help
[19:04] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, trolling or actually interested in compiling firefox on pi?
[19:04] <tech2077> hadn't tried that
[19:04] <hamitron> just something I read on armedslack.org
[19:05] <PReDiToR> Firefox is HUGE. I wouldn't waste a day.
[19:05] <PReDiToR> I used to use the binary on Gentoo because it took so damn long.
[19:05] <ShiftPlusOne> huge and totally not worth even cross-compiling
[19:05] <hamitron> well, I was wondering from the point of view of a browser
[19:05] <hamitron> and the future
[19:05] <ShiftPlusOne> probably the worst browser you could run on pi
[19:06] <hamitron> k
[19:06] <PReDiToR> besides, lynx is a much nicer browser to use over SSH.
[19:06] <DaQatz> Chrome is heavier to firefox
[19:06] <DaQatz> ram wise
[19:06] <hamitron> so what browser is the one of choice for r-pi?
[19:06] <PReDiToR> I don't understand why Chrome is so popular. GOOG spyware.
[19:06] <DaQatz> Midori is probably a good one for the pi
[19:06] <PReDiToR> elinks lol
[19:07] <urs> I prefer uzbl, but I also use vim. :)
[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne> someone recommended netsurf as well
[19:07] <hamitron> ShiftPlusOne, I often appear to troll, just by my trying to find problems.... sorry ;)
[19:07] <urs> and then there's also http://surf.suckless.org/
[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Are you sure about chrome using more ram than firefox?
[19:07] <DaQatz> netsurf does not support html5
[19:07] <friggle> urs: and xombrero (recently renamed from xxxterm...)
[19:07] <friggle> DaQatz: no, no JS either
[19:08] <friggle> apparently netsurf 2.9 has a ~30% performance bump
[19:08] <PReDiToR> Religious discussion starting - Zealots please attend. Chrom vs Firefox (RAM usage) in Centre Court.
[19:08] <hamitron> hehe
[19:08] <hamitron> I've "dismissed" both of them ;)
[19:09] <tech2077> heh
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[19:09] <DaQatz> Both are ram hogs
[19:09] <ShiftPlusOne> lol, I don't care either way, it's just the first time I am hearing anyone defend firefox's memory usage over chrome's
[19:09] <hotwings> chrome is handicap, why would it use more?
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[19:09] <hamitron> but I'm just looking at how/if the r-pi can do HTML5 and javascript
[19:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Firefox also seems to have memory leaks or a bad caching algorithm which makes it eat more and more ram over time
[19:10] <ShiftPlusOne> which isn't something I've run into with chrome
[19:10] <PReDiToR> hamitron - The RasPi can do anything, just sometimes slower and with more swapping.
[19:10] <DaQatz> Yeah does leak horribly.
[19:10] <tech2077> i may switch to arch on my laptop today
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[19:10] <Veryevil> Ah home from work
[19:10] <hotwings> ShiftPlusOne - im not sure about that. ive monitored firefox memory usage over several days, several times, and have never seen any sign of memory leak
[19:10] <tech2077> seems once i get everything setup, it would work nicely
[19:11] <PReDiToR> tech2077 - gparted, shrink some off another partition, install Arch to that and call your kernel with /root=new partition.
[19:11] <hamitron> PReDiToR, do HTML5 and javascript at a reasonably acceptable speed to be fun
[19:11] <hamitron> ;)
[19:11] <hotwings> then again, maybe it only leaks under certain circumstances which dont occur with my usage
[19:11] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, do you use tabs as bookmarks?
[19:11] <hotwings> not exactly but i usually have a good 20 tabs open at a time
[19:11] <tech2077> PReDiToR, i have my /home and /usr/local on seperate partitions than my root
[19:11] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, ....which you will 'eventually get to' but don't, so you end up with 50 open and you just end up closing them all eventually?
[19:11] <tech2077> i don't mind reinstalling everything else that is prepackaged
[19:11] <PReDiToR> tech2077 - for bonus points, retain your /boot and /home partitions intact and use them under the new OS, same as the old.
[19:12] <hamitron> firefox and chrome both crash to help me clear the tabs
[19:12] <hamitron> ;)
[19:12] <hamitron> the system is so much more responsive after, love it
[19:12] <hotwings> ShiftPlusOne - i usually just close the ones i dont need anymore after i see the tab bar getting out of hand :)
[19:12] <ShiftPlusOne> hotwings, might be different usage styles, or maybe they fixed it, I don't know, but it's the reason I switched to chrome... firefox became unusable for me.
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[19:13] <PReDiToR> ShiftPlusOne - Tried Chromium? Less GOOG.
[19:13] <ShiftPlusOne> well *chromium
[19:13] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[19:13] <tech2077> chromiums nice
[19:13] <hotwings> im using firefox 12.0 here... not sure that actually means anything these days.. more like firefox may/2012
[19:13] <tech2077> since i don't care about anything other than the actual browsing
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[19:14] <urs> PReDiToR: there's still quite a lot of GOOG even in chromium
[19:14] <urs> compare http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=634101
[19:14] <PReDiToR> Under Windows I have Dragon, Chrome (for all GOOG account stuff), Safari Opera and Firefox. All used for different things and all running under Sandboxie.
[19:15] <hamitron> no IE? :/
[19:15] <urs> Google even left the in-browser-ad-system in place, and it is included in the debian package.
[19:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I tend to use CoolNovo on windows (which is basically chromium with a few things built in)
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[19:15] <hamitron> I know it will be an unpopular comment, but I actually find IE ok
[19:15] <hamitron> ;)
[19:15] <PReDiToR> urs - Thanks for that
[19:16] <Guest25716> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[19:16] <Guest25716> rootfs 30G 1.5G 27G 6% /
[19:16] <Guest25716> thanks for this mornings tip
[19:16] <hamitron> but none have really grasped me as a fan
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[19:18] <urs> PReDiToR: unfortunately, I seem to be the only one who cares. The patch has been available for nearly a year now, and nobody cared to include it in the debian package.
[19:18] <medik> Hm, how do I get quake 3 running on the raspberry? I got an error saying that pak0.pk3 is missing, how do I bypass the problem?
[19:18] <Veryevil> you need the files from the game
[19:18] <Veryevil> from the cd
[19:19] <Veryevil> or some where more illigitemate
[19:19] <fakker> or just use the pak from the demo
[19:19] <Veryevil> the pak files contain all the textues amd skins
[19:19] <Veryevil> you can use the demo files too but they will only get you the demo levels
[19:20] <medik> That's fine :P
[19:20] <medik> demo levels is enough,
[19:20] <fakker> PoC yea
[19:20] <fakker> or just test
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[19:21] <medik> http://ioquake3.org/baseq3/test.pk3
[19:21] <medik> Is that the demo pak?
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[19:21] <Foxhoundz> Week 3
[19:21] <Foxhoundz> My Pi still hasn't arrived
[19:21] <Foxhoundz> No word from RS Online
[19:22] <ShiftPlusOne> There are plenty of things to do to keep yourself busy before the pi arrived!
[19:22] <fakker> bleh, i woke up for the 6am launch - and only got it last week
[19:22] <Foxhoundz> ShiftPlusOne: but...they said it would arrive within three weeks
[19:22] <medik> Foxhoundz: I've just got mine from RS, so I guess there is something going on
[19:23] <Foxhoundz> medik: what country did you order yours from? And how long did it take them to ship it?
[19:23] <medik> Sweden, how long did it take? 1 week from the time I ordered
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> 1 week!?
[19:23] <medik> Yup, 1 week
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> interesting
[19:24] <Foxhoundz> ShiftPlusOne: what about yours?
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> Hm. unplugging an SD card with it running really upsets it :)
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Foxhoundz, I ordered mine 5 minutes after they went live and got it... I think around start of april, but I don't remember exactly.
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[19:25] <gordonDrogon> 11 days since my RS "up to 3 weeks delivery" email.. No sign of it yet.
[19:25] <urs> I ordered 1 hour after, and got mine last week.
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[19:25] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, my ex ordered a little later the same day and still hasn't got hers
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[19:26] <ShiftPlusOne> so yeah, those who have got theirs would've had to order really fast
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[19:28] <Foxhoundz> hm
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[19:29] <ShiftPlusOne> that's farnell, by the way
[19:30] <ShiftPlusOne> my RS registration of interest seems to have been dropped
[19:30] <fakker> i got a order code from RS
[19:30] <fakker> but i got my pi from Farnell already
[19:30] <tech2077> i got my RS one, but no word from farnell
[19:30] <ShiftPlusOne> well then... you'll have a spare for ebay then
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[19:31] <tech2077> or to give to me :D
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[19:32] <ShiftPlusOne> don't be silly
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[19:32] <tech2077> it's worth a try, i have a friend that wants one to work on vision processing
[19:33] <fakker> yeah - gave my code to my brother
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[19:35] <gordonDrogon> wow- lots on ebay now.
[19:36] <ShiftPlusOne> probably going to be a considerable drop in price soon
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> Hm. what was the deal with the free T shirts?
[19:36] <chaoshax> Oh yeah.
[19:36] <chaoshax> I swear I am supposed to get one
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> I never got one ...
[19:37] <chaoshax> It's so long ago that I can't rememebr.
[19:37] <chaoshax> Is that from farnell or RS?
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> Farnell.
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[19:37] <chaoshax> Interesting, I might make a call tomorrow to see what has happened.
[19:38] <fakker> i never got one either
[19:39] <tech2077> i might call farnell to see if i can get a second one
[19:39] <fakker> tshirt? :
[19:39] <tech2077> tshirt?
[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> tshirt?
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[19:40] <fakker> wait until the internet realises this
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[19:41] <fakker> haha wow, someone reading logs on the fly?
[19:41] <WHERES-MY-TSHIRT> wheres my tshirt?
[19:41] <tech2077> heh
[19:42] <fakker> where is my tshirt
[19:42] <tech2077> where is MY tshirt
[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> am I the only one wearing a tshirt?
[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> no no... I bought this with my money >=/
[19:42] <fakker> didn't come with the Pi?
[19:43] <tech2077> so you have a paid Pi tshirt
[19:43] <fakker> yeah, so you paid for one...
[19:43] <ShiftPlusOne> no, it's just a regular tshirt.
[19:43] <tech2077> well thats boring
[19:43] <WHERES-MY-TSHIRT> wut
[19:43] <fakker> did you pay for it?
[19:43] <tech2077> or was it free
[19:43] <fakker> what size?
[19:44] <ShiftPlusOne> no need for caps
[19:44] <tech2077> i watched two of the episodes from Sherlock season two last night on my pi
[19:44] <fakker> np
[19:44] <fakker> lol
[19:45] <tech2077> i wonder if i yell kindly enough on the phone they'll send me a pi with a tshirt
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[19:46] <fakker> what's their number?
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[19:47] <WHERES-MY-TSHIRT> 0181 811 81 81
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[19:48] <fakker> anyone using OpenELEC?
[19:49] <ShiftPlusOne> not 'using', but I have played around with it
[19:49] <fakker> how was it?
[19:49] <tech2077> registered my interest for the 3rd time at farnell right now
[19:49] <ShiftPlusOne> pretty good
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[19:49] <tech2077> i see where this is going
[19:50] <fakker> me too
[19:50] <fakker> !
[19:50] <ShiftPlusOne> ...as if this is going anywhere
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[19:50] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I guess
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[19:51] <ShiftPlusOne> sure, it's not a ban yet.
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[19:51] <D34TH> hmm i want a vt110 in a shirt
[19:51] <D34TH> would be kinda cool
[19:51] <D34TH> except for the weight
[19:51] <fakker> why weight
[19:51] <fakker> you too big for the shirt? ;p
[19:52] <tech2077> heh
[19:52] <tech2077> the thing i hate about farnell is the lack of emails
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[19:52] <fakker> better than RS spam
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[19:53] <tech2077> i at least know that RS got the form
[19:53] <chaoshax> I just phoned in.
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[19:53] <chaoshax> They told me that it was while stocks last!
[19:53] <chaoshax> What a con!
[19:53] <tech2077> ?
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[19:53] <chaoshax> The T shirts
[19:53] <tech2077> i need to call them
[19:53] <tech2077> at least to know if i was ever registered
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[19:56] <fakker> you can ask where our tshirts are, and if they do size 'fat'
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[19:57] <hotwings> you'd probably need to tell them what cup size your tits are
[19:57] <D34TH> oh i got absorbed in bf3
[19:57] <hotwings> "do you have mens fat, c cup"
[19:57] <D34TH> nah monitors are generally heavy
[19:57] <D34TH> for a shirt
[19:57] <fakker> dont worry, i duct tape them down
[19:57] <hotwings> careful when you remove the tape. dont wanna rip your nipple off
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[19:58] <dmsuse> has nobody worked on getting a laptop screen working on a pi yet?
[19:58] <tech2077> no
[19:58] <chris_99> is there any connector to even do that
[19:59] <fakker> hotwings, stop talking like that - you're turning me on
[19:59] <dmsuse> well somehow it connects to the laptop motherboard :P
[19:59] <hotwings> sorry, too sexy for my own good
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[20:10] <friggle> Hexxeh: can you give me the low-down on chromium on the pi?
[20:10] <friggle> Hexxeh: as in, chromium 6 from squeeze runs great
[20:11] <friggle> Hexxeh: yet there is now armel chromium for wheezy. Is it not possible for you to build an armel recent chromium that runs well (like chromium 6 did)?
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[20:14] <friggle> s/now/no
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[20:29] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. Crashed it again.
[20:30] <Hexxeh> friggle: things have changed considerably since then
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> thought I'd sorted my console graphics by changing to 16bpp, but that helps, but it's not perfect.
[20:30] <Hexxeh> current versions have proved /really/ slow
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[20:31] <Hexxeh> it's also a bit of a pain for me to get a build for debian running
[20:31] <friggle> Hexxeh: ok
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[20:32] <Hexxeh> mpthompson was looking at getting it built in raspbian though
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[20:34] <friggle> cool
[20:38] <Hexxeh> the stuff teh_orph posted might let us get something running with chromeos though
[20:38] <Hexxeh> i've just not had chance to try it yet
[20:39] <Hexxeh> need a few free days to work on this stuff, compiles take so long
[20:39] <D34TH> needs moar bramble
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[20:40] <Hexxeh> this is compiling on an octo-core box with 16GB RAM
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[20:40] <Hexxeh> but honestly, i've thrown a load of power at it, and i can't get it to build very fast at all
[20:40] <Hexxeh> i have some 12-core 64GB RAM boxes, doesn't help that much
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[20:42] <chris_99> heh, what kind of times are you getting, Hexxeh?
[20:42] <Hexxeh> it depends
[20:42] <Hexxeh> well over 90 minutes for a debug build though
[20:42] <Hexxeh> release builds are much shorter, maybe 25 mins?
[20:42] <Hexxeh> i really ought to try ninja
[20:42] <Hexxeh> but that's not supported with the ebuild-style build iirc
[20:42] <chris_99> ninja?
[20:42] <Hexxeh> faster build system they have now
[20:43] <chris_99> are you talking about compiling the kernel right?
[20:43] <Hexxeh> no? chromium
[20:44] <chris_99> oh, then then that doesn't seem so slow
[20:44] <chris_99> heh
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[20:44] <Hexxeh> kernel is much faster
[20:44] <Hexxeh> maybe 90 seconds
[20:44] <chris_99> ooh impressive
[20:45] <Hexxeh> i do a full rebuild of chromium os every day
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[20:45] <Hexxeh> 460 packages or so, from source
[20:45] <chris_99> why a full rebuild?
[20:45] <Hexxeh> takes about 90 minutes
[20:45] <Hexxeh> well, we could build only the packages that have changed
[20:45] <Hexxeh> but i like the builders to run without needing much poking from me
[20:46] <Hexxeh> so i nuke the board root every day as part of the build so we get a fully fresh build
[20:46] <Hexxeh> it takes longer, but we have less problems that way
[20:46] <Habbie> does chromium os fully run on raspi?
[20:46] <Hexxeh> technically yes, but you wouldn't want to use it
[20:46] <Habbie> slow?
[20:46] <Hexxeh> it's very slow using the software rendering
[20:46] <Habbie> ah
[20:46] <Hexxeh> brings a new meaning to the word
[20:46] <Hexxeh> :)
[20:47] <Hexxeh> i have images available for any devs interested in improving that though
[20:47] <Habbie> x11 on raspi is software rendered too these days, right? in the usual debian image, that is
[20:47] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, no accelerated x11 yet
[20:47] <Habbie> Hexxeh, i am interested but i have not done much graphics work, ever
[20:47] <Hexxeh> probably not for you then
[20:48] <Habbie> or just right for me so i can learn, but from that point of view i doubt i have the time
[20:48] <Hexxeh> it needs someone familiar with dispmanx/EGL/GLESv2 to look at it
[20:48] <Habbie> i do like doing things outside of my comfortzone
[20:48] <Habbie> ah
[20:48] <Habbie> is there any other place a seasoned C/Python and acceptable C++ coder with limited asm experience could make himself useful?
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[20:48] <Habbie> for any aspect of raspi usage?
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[20:49] <mastensg> Habbie: Hello.
[20:49] <Habbie> hello mastensg
[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> plenty
[20:49] <Habbie> let's rephrase - where should one -start-? :)
[20:49] <mastensg> I just learned me some ARM asm today.
[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> what are you interested in?
[20:50] <fakker> women
[20:51] <Habbie> my main interest currently is DNS
[20:51] <Habbie> but i doubt there's much to do in that area
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[20:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Habbie, may want to lurk around, there are always people working on something or other. Would be nice to have more people getting the kernel up to standard.
[20:52] <Habbie> sure, i've added this channel to my irssi config
[20:52] <friggle> Habbie: sound maybe?
[20:52] <Habbie> friggle, sounds interesting (no pun intended)
[20:52] <Habbie> not a lot of issues posted on https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues
[20:52] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[20:53] <Habbie> i'll just stick around and see what passes by :)
[20:53] <Simon-> pio sd card support
[20:53] <Habbie> Simon-, what's that?
[20:53] <Simon-> something that's missing
[20:54] <Habbie> oh, a non-DMA mode?
[20:55] <Habbie> why would anyone want that? would it improve card compatibility at a potential performance cost?
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[20:58] <Simon-> it might help to have something that definitely works before trying to add dma to it
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[20:59] <Habbie> Simon-, that makes sense
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[21:23] <Foxhoundz> Hello
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[21:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> La!
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[21:40] * urs reports: Descent 1 (through its dxx-rebirth port) builds just fin on the Pi
[21:40] <urs> However, it just causes a black screen.
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[21:41] <Pi_iglet> moo
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[21:42] <gordonDrogon> *sigh* I wonder what SDL does that nukes the framebuffer )-:
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[21:42] <gordonDrogon> just got prog. running - full screen, 1280x1024x16bpp too.
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[21:42] <gordonDrogon> exit prog, then run it again and ...
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> Pi stops.
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[21:44] <western> Can you still connect via ssh?
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> no, but I can ping it.
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[21:45] <zleap> HI
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> hi zleap
[21:46] <western> Strange... It would be interesting to see if it spits an error in serial console
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> May 28 20:25:27 pi1 kernel: detected fb_set_par error, error code: 16
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> although I', not sure what run that was from (this is /var/log/kern.log)
[21:47] <zleap> maybe ssh server has broken if you can't ssh in
[21:47] <Hexxeh> friggle: building for raspbian now
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> let me try again and make a maker in the kern.log file..
[21:48] <Hexxeh> i don't have a softfp toolchain handy, but if it works for raspbian (we'll know in a few hours), then i can put something together for debian
[21:48] <urs> btw, is the ioquake9 version in raspbian the "good" one?
[21:48] <urs> Raspberry optimized and all?
[21:48] <zleap> hmm, i am going to afk and go play c&c generals for a few hours
[21:48] <zleap> chat later
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[21:51] <Hexxeh> urs: no
[21:51] <urs> ah, that explains why it doesn't work. :)
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> ok. established that nothing special appears in kern.log. ssh session locks up, but pi is still pingable.
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[21:52] <gordonDrogon> app. only crashes pi if run in full screen mode, then subsequently not run in full screen mode.
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> the only difference is passing the HW_SURFACE flaf into SDL.
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> so the answer is to not do that :)
[21:54] <PhonicUK> lo all
[21:54] <PhonicUK> lo Hexxeh
[21:55] <Hexxeh> hey
[21:56] <PhonicUK> what cflags was I missing?
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[22:00] <Hexxeh> in your pre.mk
[22:00] <Hexxeh> change armv7l to armv6l
[22:00] <Hexxeh> fix the stuff that refers to cortex-a8 with the rpi equivalent etc
[22:02] <PhonicUK> hm, what is the rpi equivalent?
[22:02] <PhonicUK> i can't find what it is for the BCM2708
[22:04] <Hexxeh> arm1176jzf-s
[22:04] <Hexxeh> but you can just remove that completely anyway
[22:04] <PhonicUK> aye
[22:04] <Hexxeh> since the compiler i used didn't recognise that
[22:04] <PhonicUK> just let it default to the host
[22:04] <PhonicUK> what about for the display plugin?
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[22:06] <PhonicUK> nm i see it
[22:06] <PhonicUK> no i don't xD
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[22:13] <fakker> so, how does one get iPlayer and such for RaspBMC?
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[22:14] <GabrialDestruir> Not quite sure.
[22:14] <fakker> i saw a post on the forum, it didn't really make any sense to me though
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[22:15] <friggle> Hexxeh: if it works well, that would be awesome
[22:16] <GabrialDestruir> You install iPlayer as a plugin like all the other plugins
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[22:17] <fakker> it doesn't list as an extra video plugin
[22:19] <chaoshax> I am trying to use pyserial with arduino, am I right in thinking the serial port is going to be like /dev/tty
[22:19] <chaoshax> Or is it going to be com1 or something?
[22:19] <ReggieUK> ttyusb0 possibly
[22:19] <ReggieUK> errr
[22:19] <chaoshax> Ahh OK
[22:19] <ReggieUK> ttyUSB0
[22:19] <GabrialDestruir> http://xbmc-iplayerv2.googlecode.com/files/iPlayer-v2.4.15.zip
[22:20] <GabrialDestruir> You have to install it from a Windows Share.... or put it in your storage and install from there
[22:20] <fakker> GabrialDestruir, thank you :)
[22:20] <ReggieUK> but yeah, in general it'll be /dev/tty<something or other>
[22:20] <chaoshax> So do I put the port in the serial string as /dev/ttyusb0?
[22:20] <chaoshax> or just ttyusb0
[22:21] <ReggieUK> no idea what you're using to code with, so, try /dev/ttyUSB0 first
[22:22] <ReggieUK> btw. you should really learn what happens when you plug the arduino in and what your system calls the usb to serial port that is created
[22:22] <chaoshax> using dmesg?
[22:22] <ReggieUK> yes
[22:22] <chaoshax> Ok
[22:22] <ReggieUK> for all we know it could be /dev/dave
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[22:22] <chaoshax> Yeah it was ttyUSB0
[22:23] <ReggieUK> fyi. there is a #arduino on freenode too :)
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[22:24] <chaoshax> I know
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[22:25] <Kewlj1313> Hello all :)
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[22:29] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if there's somewhere where I could get an inexpensive VPS for like 10 bucks a month...
[22:30] <popey> GabrialDestruir: i recommend http://bitfolk.com/
[22:30] <popey> cheap and high quality vps service
[22:30] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, howd you get the display plugin to compile?
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[22:31] <GabrialDestruir> Eh.... that's not quite under 10 USD :p
[22:31] <Ben64> GabrialDestruir: what do you want vps for
[22:32] <GabrialDestruir> Not sure yet xD
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[22:32] <Ben64> i've got a hefty server that could vps
[22:33] <GabrialDestruir> Probably as an alternative to shared hosting, as it'll allow me more customization... but it'd need to be in the same general price range .-.
[22:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> ReggieUK: thanks for the fyi :)
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[22:40] <GabrialDestruir> Wow... apparently in the entire year I've had dreamhost I've only used 6.2GBs
[22:42] <Ben64> :|
[22:42] <ShiftPlusOne> probably waaaaay more than my linode
[22:43] <Ben64> just one of my sites used 456GB last month
[22:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Well then you must have more than a blog with a few crappy posts on it.
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[22:47] <Ben64> that one is a blog with download links to roms and tools for android phones
[22:47] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[22:47] <Ben64> lots of data
[22:47] <GabrialDestruir> That's basically all mine is....
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[22:47] <GabrialDestruir> a blog with a bunch of crappy posts
[22:47] <GabrialDestruir> which I delete about anually because I've got nothing better to do.
[22:48] <ShiftPlusOne> same here... except I refer to my posts every other day to copy/paste stuff from
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[22:49] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[22:50] <GabrialDestruir> I think I'm gonna scrap my extra domains. I need to find a new one that I like
[22:51] <Ben64> all the good ones are taken
[22:51] <friggle> mpthompson: plugwash: did you end up recompiling webkit with jit disabled to workaround midori crashes?
[22:52] <mpthompson> Yes, that is what should be in the repository now.
[22:52] <GabrialDestruir> Well I tend to have luck finding the domains I actually want, the issue is I need a decent one that I like.
[22:52] <friggle> mpthompson: ok, I'm looking at doing the same thing for armel (I'm asb on the forums)
[22:53] <mpthompson> According to those who tried it, it fixed the specific issue with Javascript crashing at random times.
[22:53] <friggle> mpthompson: and I mean what I said it would be great if we could combine efforts so the only difference between the (current!) 'official' image and the recommended raspbian one is the included packages
[22:54] <plugwash> friggle, note that we build stuff natively and do not have experiance with cross compiling so if you want to follow what we do exactly you will need a decent arm box to build on
[22:55] <friggle> plugwash: yes I know. I was going to try a hacky cross compile and replace the offending so
[22:55] <plugwash> also note that even on a decent arm box with the testsuite disabled the debian webkit package is a 2 day build
[22:56] <mpthompson> friggle, I see there are some messages in the forum I need to catch up on. I'm looking through them now.
[22:56] <UnaClocker> Yeah, Midori works excellent for me.
[22:57] * plugwash is working on cleaning up the out of date packages list in raspbian
[22:58] <friggle> mpthompson: plugwash: also, do take a look at Will's 'firmware' packaging. We're going to use it for the armel image. I imagine it's a trivial change for armhf
[22:58] <friggle> mpthompson: plugwash https://github.com/wjt/firmware
[22:58] <plugwash> friggle, do you plan to create a repo for Pi specific armel packages
[22:59] <plugwash> and by "we" do you mean you are on the team building the official image?
[22:59] <friggle> plugwash: yes and yes
[22:59] <mpthompson> friggle, it would be terrific if you were able to run your image generation scripts for Debian Wheezy side-by side with Raspbian. If there are things missing, I would certainly help out.
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[23:00] <GabrialDestruir> Wonder how well Pi would operate as a VPN point >.>
[23:00] <curahack> I was thinking the same
[23:01] <Veryevil> Plugwash: Getting any use out of my PI?
[23:01] <mpthompson> friggle, shirro has been looking into the packaging of the firmware and I know he has reached out to Will via email, but I don't know anything beyond that. Neither plugwash or I have had time to investigate that stuff yet. Raspbian is still in the process of being built.
[23:02] <friggle> mpthompson: yes I'm aware of that :) It's just you you're rapidly building up a community of people contributing and wanted to be sure we weren't duplicating effort
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[23:02] <plugwash> Veryevil, a bit, mostly i've been working on the repo side so far but when a user reports a problem it's good to be able to test it in the real environment our users are using
[23:02] <Veryevil> Plugwash: Did you want to buy it off me or is yours due soon?
[23:02] <friggle> mpthompson: but if we all provide natively compiled packages with proper build rules, we can just use each others packaging and tweaks etc easily enough
[23:02] <PhonicUK> i wonder if in 5 years we'll see a pi2
[23:03] <PhonicUK> or a Raspberry r^2
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[23:03] <Pi_iglet> quick check please - can you see this?
[23:03] <Veryevil> Surely it would be a Raspberry Tau
[23:04] <onefreeman> Veryevil, beat me to it :p
[23:04] <friggle> mpthompson: plugwash: I should say the current squeeze images were not done with my image generation scripts. My scripts produce beautifully clean unbooted images, which avoids all the problems of the current squeeze ones
[23:04] <friggle> ;)
[23:04] <plugwash> Veryevil, I send you the payment about a week ago
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[23:05] <plugwash> friggle, one thing that needs to be looked into BTW is a first boot configuration script, i've thought of writing one myself but I don't really have time right now
[23:05] <plugwash> do you know if anyone is working on that
[23:05] <Veryevil> Ha so you did!
[23:05] <Veryevil> So its your PI then lol.
[23:05] <friggle> plugwash: it's on my todo list, in at least some form but no. I'll have *some* kind of configuration script, but it will likely just walk you through the obvious dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration type stuff
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[23:06] <ShiftPlusOne> If someone could tell me what they'd want in a boot up script I could write one
[23:06] <mpthompson> friggle, that sounds terrific. I'm currently uploading a new image right now intending it to be for temporary usage until some time of official image was produced. Collloborating with you to create such images would be a high priority for me.
[23:06] <ShiftPlusOne> *first boot
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[23:07] <friggle> mpthompson: great. I wish I'd got round to refactoring my scripts to add raspbian support by now. All this packaging, testing etc has been so time consuming though :) Sounds like a plan. I'll get in touch when I've got a basic image built with my scripts and your repos
[23:08] <plugwash> BTW do you plan to offer both sqeeze and wheezy softfloat images?
[23:08] <mpthompson> I understand the time spent. Everything I do ends up taking 3x longer than I intend.
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[23:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: one that magically makes Fedora boot on my Pi, haai
[23:08] <UnaClocker> I got my Raspbian install to boot up into X and give me a login prompt using LightDM.. :)
[23:08] * PhonicUK is compiling a PS1 emulator ^_^
[23:08] <chaoshax> What does this do? inBuf[p++]&0xff
[23:09] <friggle> plugwash: spitting out a sensibly configured, bootable, but minimal squeeze script would be easy enough. I think we'd probably put that out for those that wanted it, and encouraged desktop users to get the wheezy image
[23:09] <Veryevil> PhonicUK: Does this mean Final Fantasy VII?
[23:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: good luck getting anything more than a slideshow... literally... I'd love a PS1 emu on my Pi :D
[23:09] <mpthompson> friggle, I'm curious. What's the benefit of moving to Debian Wheezy now? I mean, doing so works out well for Raspbian.
[23:09] <PhonicUK> chaoshax, takes the value from the inBuf[] array at position p + 1, and performs a binary AND operation with the result against 255
[23:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> The PS1 emu was well optimised on the Pandora, so it should be pretty possible on the Pi with the right people behind it
[23:09] <PhonicUK> Gadgetoid_Air, similar spec devices have had no problem with it
[23:10] <GabrialDestruir> Hmmm.... need to figure out the best way to secure all my interwebz data
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[23:10] <friggle> mpthompson: it's solid enough. Newer and more variety of packages. Package versions are more in line with other distros (arch and upcoming fedora 17)
[23:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: yes, but not from a straight ./configure port :D
[23:10] <PhonicUK> indeed
[23:10] <Veryevil> chaoshax: it take the value at index p in array inBuf and bit masks it so that only the lower 8 bytes are taken then it incs p
[23:10] <mpthompson> Got it.
[23:10] <chaoshax> OK
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[23:11] <Veryevil> Surely it takes index p the POST incs it
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[23:11] <plugwash> friggle, btw come and join us in #raspbian, that is a far lower traffic channel and as such we can pay more attention in there
[23:11] <chaoshax> I am just trying to make sense of how I can convert this data back to integers, http://i.imgur.com/FFLIl.png
[23:11] <chaoshax> That's the serial data
[23:11] <plugwash> even when online it's easy to miss stuff in a channel as busy as this
[23:11] <mpthompson> friggle, something to keep in mind is that we need to work on making sure the Debian apt-get keys are not placed on a Raspbian image. In their place, the Raspbian public keys need to be set. Neither plugwash or I have had time to make that package. Shouldn't be too difficult though.
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[23:12] <plugwash> yeah we will want to make a package with our keys, modify every package that depends on debian-archive-keyring (I think it's just apt, not sure) and then remove the debian-archive-keyring package from our repo
[23:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> Awesome, secret racist training camps... restores my faith in the fact that the world is a seething cesspit
[23:13] <plugwash> I plan to do this I just haven't got arround to it yet, it's probablly best I do it as I'm more knowlagable of debian than mpthompson is
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[23:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wow... Ukraine... wow... just... what?
[23:15] <fakker> ?
[23:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ?
[23:16] <fakker> BBC?
[23:16] <ShiftPlusOne> What did we do now? =(
[23:16] <fakker> Football racism report
[23:16] <fakker> for Euros
[23:16] <GabrialDestruir> Somethings wrong with my laptop screen -.-
[23:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> Nazi salutes and physical assault of asian supporters in a football stadium should be pretty good grounds for immediate incineration
[23:17] <fakker> supporting THEIR team too, haha
[23:17] <fakker> so backwards
[23:17] <ShiftPlusOne> inciniration?
[23:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> fakker: truth, pure madness!
[23:17] <GabrialDestruir> It looks as if my graphics card just decided to crap itself or something... just looks horrible.
[23:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: it's what happens when you take a trumped up neo-nazi yob and place them in a furnace, causing them to vaporise and cease being a blemish on the face of humanity
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[23:18] <ShiftPlusOne> what actually happened?
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[23:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: I know little of football, but I'm given to believe that Ukraine is hosting some major football event of sorts, but a bunch (probably a minority) of people there are violently and extremely racist
[23:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'd say the news had blown it out of proportion, but they probably didn't fabricate the footage of asian fans having the proverbial kicked out of them
[23:21] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... well that sucks
[23:21] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18233736
[23:22] <hamitron> I guess us English do have it easier :/
[23:22] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, I can confirm that racism is the norm there
[23:22] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently my video memory on my laptop is only 64MB .-.
[23:23] <ShiftPlusOne> not in a violent form though... but I guess football tends to attract the yobs as well.
[23:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> Some people are... weird... we still have it here, too, despite India being part of our freakin' empire for lord knows how long
[23:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: Yes, football isn't exactly known for flower pressing, kissing babies and hugging kittens
[23:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, I definitely need to treat my Pi to a more permanent display... trying to get multiple boot working requires many reboots
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[23:26] <GabrialDestruir> Stupid stupid Aero -.-
[23:26] * fakker waits for Raspbmc to get fixed :|
[23:27] <GabrialDestruir> What's broken in Raspbmc now?
[23:27] <Thorn_> the rasp
[23:27] <GabrialDestruir> DAMN THAT RASP!
[23:28] <fakker> the install - think Sam is changing stuff for mmc (which was working fine for me anyway :P:P), seems to die when downloading one of the files, like an incomplete upload
[23:28] <fakker> so it just kernel panics after
[23:28] <GabrialDestruir> Oh yay.... video fixed on my laptop xD
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[23:32] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if I could setup static SSH keys across multiple Pi distros I'm using >.>
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[23:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: Stupid question; harking back to first boot, could it detect that your install doesn't fill the SD card and give you the choice to correct it?
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[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, absolutely
[23:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> That'd seem like a sensible thing to do, given the number of people ( everyone ) who would want to make that adjustment
[23:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Doesn't the fedora image already do that?
[23:39] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: yes. I want to include a script that does that
[23:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> I don't know, I rsynced it straight out of the image onto my hard disk but haven't got it to boot yet
[23:39] <friggle> Gadgetoid_Air: ShiftPlusOne: though I don't think I want it to resize by default. Probably prompt the user
[23:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah, definitely a prompt... lest that space be saved for dual booting or a fat32 file swapping partition
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[23:43] <PhonicUK> wow
[23:43] <PhonicUK> pcsx compiled
[23:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: nice, but does it run?
[23:44] <PhonicUK> nope, i need to add a bunch of stuff first before it'll play properly
[23:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: other mad idea would just be a boot binary, kernel and initrd that you throw on an out-of-the-box SD card and complete the setup entirely on the Pi :D bootstrap ftw!
[23:45] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, pcsx compiles no problem
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[23:46] <PhonicUK> bleh, pcsx won't play ball since its GLES1
[23:46] <PhonicUK> hmm, I can use software rendering though...
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[23:47] <sraue> if anyone want to try a OpenELEC build which should boot faster and with some more optimizations: http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20120528231553-r11160.tar.bz2
[23:47] <PhonicUK> schweet
[23:48] <GabrialDestruir> I need to stop hitting the clrcmos button when plugging crap in -.-
[23:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, That would work too as well. The reason I brought Menu.sh out like that was to make it as flexible as possible.
[23:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> Too many distros to try :D
[23:49] <PhonicUK> so many distros, so few SD cards
[23:49] <PhonicUK> thats why I bought 4!
[23:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: that's why I'm trying to quad boot
[23:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> Thanks in no small part to ShiftPlusOne!
[23:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> I don't think Fedora likes me, though
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[23:52] <GabrialDestruir> I officially hate the clrcmos button hit it twice in three days -.-
[23:52] <SpeedEvil> hot-glue it
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[23:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ahhh... methinks the fstab in Fedora expects things not present on my system
[23:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> IE: my /dev/sda3 is *not* labelled rootfs

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