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IRC Log for 2012-05-29

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[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, well that's silly of you
[0:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: I did not read the README :D
[0:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> +1 geek point, -100 common sense points
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[0:03] <IT_Sean> Hey
[0:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ahoy IT_Sean!
[0:04] <IT_Sean> Ahoy!
[0:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> Argh! I failed again
[0:05] <IT_Sean> ?
[0:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: everything goes horribly wrong if I leave a syntax error in Menu.sh, which I do without fail every single time due to VIM being too smart for its own good
[0:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, careful with the startup scripts as well.... might screw up your multiboot
[0:06] <ShiftPlusOne> (referring to fedora's scripts)
[0:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> What does it do? I've changed fstab to give fedora a fake /boot so it shouldn't touch it... hopefully
[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know
[0:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> haha! a mystery... oh well :D
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[0:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> It can't go far wrong
[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> just being overly-cautious
[0:07] <IT_Sean> Trying to get multiple OS booting on pi?
[0:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> I am running out of space on /boot though
[0:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> IT_Sean: already got Debian booting from both SD and HDD with ShiftPlusOne's awesome menu, just trying to add Fedora into the mix, and then Raspbian
[0:08] <IT_Sean> Ahh
[0:08] <IT_Sean> Kinky
[0:08] <IT_Sean> Although, wouldn't it be easier to just swap ad cards for different OSes?
[0:09] <IT_Sean> *sd
[0:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, you can save space by cheating and using the same kernel for multiple distros... may have some unpredictable results though.
[0:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> Easier to set up, not easier to execute
[0:09] <IT_Sean> Fair enough
[0:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> The case I chose for my Pi makes swapping SD cards somewhat problematic
[0:10] <IT_Sean> I see
[0:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> *facepalm*
[0:12] <IT_Sean> ?
[0:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> I need to double check my config files before rebooting :D
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[0:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oh oh... things... happening...
[0:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or... not...
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[0:15] <ShiftPlusOne> good things or bad things?
[0:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> Just sitting doing apparently nothing after the usual whinge about the rtc device
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[0:17] <ShiftPlusOne> got the console right?
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[0:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> I suspect it doesn't like my choice of kernel
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[0:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> Allo Da|Mummy
[0:20] <Da|Mummy> yellow
[0:20] <Da|Mummy> i just got my email telling my i can order my 2nd rpi :}
[0:21] <ShiftPlusOne> by the way, I added support for temporeraly changing the default boot. If you "echo -e default=2 \n countdown=0 > /boot/next_boot" it will source next_boot (if it exists) and delete it.
[0:21] <ShiftPlusOne> which sounded like the way you were using it
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[0:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> Pi really doesn't like reading the SD card unless it's very firmly seated
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[0:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Strange, bootc's kernel gets furthest, everything else just hangs at "Starting new kernel"
[0:27] <ShiftPlusOne> what's "everything else" ?
[0:27] <bootc> Gadgetoid_Air: lucky you, I find my Pi doesn't boot at all unless it's fully seated - no output or anything
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[0:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: Probably just the stock 3.1.9 and whatever that 7mb monstrosity that comes with Fedora is
[0:28] <ant__> have you guys already identified the origin of the vudeo-issue after kexec?
[0:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> bootc: Crazy, I get output but it'll whine about being unable to mount the SD card... which is odd 'cos it shouldn't even have got that far!
[0:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, kernels with the first32k don't work.
[0:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: Ahhhh
[0:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> That explains a lot
[0:29] <ShiftPlusOne> also, I haven't had luck with bootc's kernel and the sdcard (boots fine otherwise)
[0:29] <bootc> Gadgetoid_Air: depends, maybe the bootloader reads the card with a slower clock that works better, then when Linux accesses it it tries to go full speed and falls over
[0:30] <ant__> are you adding rootwait to cmdline?
[0:30] <bootc> kernels with the first32k.bin do work if you use the 'official' first32k.bin
[0:30] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, are you talking about kexec?
[0:30] <zgreg> random question: does the debian image use a reasonable partition alignment?
[0:30] <bootc> ahh sorry, no, for kexec you definitely don't want the first32k.bin :-)
[0:31] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, yeah, that's what I was talking about (he's dual booting)
[0:31] <bootc> zgreg: considering it's an SD card, there are no special alignment considerations
[0:31] <ShiftPlusOne> bootc, also, looks like you were right about kexec and videocore =(
[0:31] <bootc> (unless you have a really really cheap one that prefers things to be erase block aligned)
[0:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: that explains why bootc's was getting somewhere, thanks :D
[0:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> My hard disk adds extra pain to the equation, because it'll sporadically require a power cycle to respond again
[0:32] <zgreg> bootc: SD cards are not that different from SSD, and it should matter
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[0:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Welcome to emergency mode? hai
[0:33] * bootc needs sleep, nn all
[0:33] <ShiftPlusOne> ant__, "have you guys already identified the origin of the vudeo-issue after kexec?" nuh, there aren't many people qualified to figure that sort of stuff out and those that are are working on more important stuff it seems.
[0:33] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[0:34] <ant__> ok, I can tell you that on other hardware we had no usb after kexec. this was indeed a kernel-driver problem
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> not much else it can be
[0:36] <ant__> and on other nifty machines (ben nanonote) kexec was failing because of bad board file, not setting memory correctly. Well, on mips kexec is probably still broken :/
[0:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> Well I've got somewhere, even if it is "Emergency Mode"
[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, I am guessing the fedora kernel had an initrd image baked in, which you might need.
[0:37] <Hexxeh> 4500/9000 objects built. we're on about 5 hours so far for this chrome build... :P
[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> or maybe strip the first32k from the kernel and give it a go
[0:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: that might explain the 7mb size of it
[0:38] <ShiftPlusOne> ant__, out of curiosity, how big is a kexecboot kernel with the initrd baked in? (without compression)
[0:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ...not to get competitive or anything >.>
[0:40] <ant__> I have to rebuild it to see. Compressed is around 930kb with many filesystems and basically all block devices. No network, though.
[0:40] <ant__> just one mom
[0:40] <Kewlj1313> ChromeOS?
[0:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, that's pretty good
[0:40] <Kewlj1313> for RPi?
[0:41] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, don't bother, was just curious about what region it's actually in
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[0:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder if it dislikes my fiddling with /boot
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[0:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> Aha
[0:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> Success!
[0:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> It wasn't recognising my /boot on SD as being labelled "boot", changing the fstab to /dev/mmcblk0p1 sorted it
[0:48] <ShiftPlusOne> are you using the serial output?
[0:50] <Veryevil> TFN
[0:50] <Veryevil> TTFN
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[0:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, it might help you if you don't... I've even got xecloader showing the boot menu straight on there so that I don't have to switch monitor input or plug the keyboard into the pi.
[0:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: nice, but alas I've not set up serial yet, I really should!
[0:51] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah you should... made things hell of a lot easier
[0:51] <ant__> ShiftPlusOne: vmlinux is 3501154
[0:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm new to that sort o' thing, so I haven't been in a rush
[0:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> Looks like Fedora has booted, I just have to wrangle around my host key checking so I can SSH in
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> chunky linux :)
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2404272 May 27 12:06 /boot/kernel.img
[0:52] <ant__> ShiftPlusOne: same kernel compressed is 958416
[0:52] <ShiftPlusOne> ant__, got it, thanks.
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[0:54] <zgreg> hmm, the debian image uses 1 MB alignment, but most SD cards have 2-8 MB erase block size
[0:54] <zgreg> upping the alignment to 4 or 8 MB might help with performance
[0:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> Beautiful!
[0:54] <ShiftPlusOne> what is?
[0:55] <zgreg> sorry, that's not related to your discussion
[0:55] <zgreg> I might have confused you :)
[0:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: Fedora terminal login prompt :)
[0:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> Thanks for your help, again!
[0:56] <ShiftPlusOne> stop thanking me, I am not doing anything! >_<
[0:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, here we go, did a "yum update" and it's updating the kernel!
[0:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: you pointed me in the right direction and saved a ragequit
[0:57] <ShiftPlusOne> oh yeah, I can point all over the place.
[0:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Let's see where this kernel update goes!
[0:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Bearing in mind that /boot is just a folder on /dev/sda3, mu wa ha ha ha!
[0:57] <ShiftPlusOne> it goes to you having to make sure you cmdline.txt is still intact and copying xecloader back as kernel.img
[0:57] <ShiftPlusOne> ah you did it the proper way
[0:57] <ShiftPlusOne> awesome
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[0:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> That's what caused half my start-up issues
[0:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Turns out it doesn't like imaginary disk labels in fstab
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[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> zgreg, is that just to do with the way the actual .img file?
[0:59] <zgreg> http://blogofterje.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/optimizing-fs-on-sd-card/
[0:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> With any luck, I'll actually remember all this so I can add a wee blog post
[0:59] <zgreg> that looks pretty interesting - apparently adjusting ext4 to the write block size is helpful too
[1:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> Particularly the little trick for mounting the disk image as multiple loopback filesystems
[1:00] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: I'm talking about the SD card image file
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[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, me too
[1:00] <GabrialDestruir> I need to figure out how to setup OpenVPN for my virtual pfsense firewall.
[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne> zgreg, what I was getting at was if you make the partitions yourself and rsync from the image file, will you get around that particular issue?
[1:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> " modprobe -r loop && modprobe loop max_part=63" for the great success
[1:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, will you be linking to xecloader?
[1:02] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: ah. well, if you align correctly yourself, sure
[1:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: does it have a page/repository or anything official-like yet?
[1:02] <zgreg> but the point is, the image file should ship with better alignment settings
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[1:03] <zgreg> SD card performance is a major bottleneck on the pi, and everything should be done to improve performance
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[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, nuh, not yet. I was going to fork buildroot, but it's not hosted on github, so I have no idea how to do that and keep it up to date with the main branch.... so I am not sure what the best way to go about it is
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[1:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: I'm somewhat worried about bringing down a rain of "omg i cant get duelboot werking plz halp" folks on your head, but I don't think I get enough readership (if any) yet
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[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, I'll atleast post a little how to and common pitfalls to cover the basics along with the actual download link. But it will have a disclaimer along the lines of "If you're not comfortable compiling your own kernel, then this is not for you (yet)." to scare the complete beginners off.
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[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> When are you planning to do your post so that I can get that done beforehand?
[1:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not imminently, I've got a driving theory test to swat for! (yeah, I'm learning to drive about 10 years too late!)
[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[1:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> I plan to get Raspbian added to my boot list first
[1:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> Go for a nice even 4, although Debian twice doesn't really count
[1:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'd also like to modify Menu.sh to autodetect /dev/sda and boot from SD if it's not available
[1:09] <ShiftPlusOne> if what's not available?
[1:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> My external hard disk
[1:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right
[1:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> So if I grab my Pi and go, I can hook it up to network/power and let it figure out how to boot without worrying about it
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[1:10] <ShiftPlusOne> you could "if [ -f /dev/sda]; then default="something else"; fi"
[1:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'll never get used to bash :D fi, fi fo fum!
[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne> that's a quick off the top of my head way of doing that, so there is probably a syntax error in there somewhere
[1:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Mmmm, Fedora has Ruby 1.9.3 in its repos :D
[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne> like the lack of space between /dev/sda and ']'
[1:12] <mkopack> Hmm. Think I'm going to need to come with with some sort of mounting solution to hold the PandaboardES, the 3 Rpi's, a couple USB powered hubs, 2 SSD's and 8 port Ethernet switch...
[1:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'll work it out tomorrow in an excruciating process of trial and error... it's about time I grok'd bash anyway
[1:12] <mkopack> Otherwise this desk is a nightmare of cables!
[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, velcro?
[1:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> mkopack: a fish tank full of baby-oil
[1:13] <mkopack> Well, thinking some sort of plywood sheet, some sort of retaining clips to hold the Rpi's in place, but easy enough to pop them out if needed. the Panda has mounting holes
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[1:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Velcro isn't that bad an idea for the Pi
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, when I was writting the first script, I just echo'd the kexec commands instead of actually running them. That will help with the testing and modifying for your own needs.
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[1:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: ha, good point! I never thought of just running the script whilst booted and checking the output...derr... it's as if I don't spend 8 hours a day programming or something
[1:15] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[1:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> I keep copying my git clone line, then typing git clone and pasting it, resulting in git clone git clone aahhh, I think I might need sleep
[1:16] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[1:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> Gonna try and fire my website up in Fedora first :D then it'll be g'night sweet prince
[1:18] <SpeedEvil> Velcro can make lots of static
[1:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I wasnt... serious about the velcro at all.
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> It's clearly a duct tape job.
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[1:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> SpeedEvil: velcro would have a tough time competing against me for static generation
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[1:28] <piless> hi
[1:28] <mkopack> Maybe I'll just wait and see if the guys at my local robotics club go ahead and print up some cases for the Pi. If so I could just velcro those to some plywood and screw the pandaboard down then
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[1:29] <piless> mkopack: they have access to 3D printers?
[1:29] <mkopack> Yup, a few of them have them
[1:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> Mmmm, 3d printers!
[1:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> Although most Pi cases seem tragically lacking in support for hackery
[1:30] <piless> mkopack: you should probably show them one of the decent 3d designs
[1:30] <mkopack> and worst case, I could call up my co-workers in NJ and ask them to print me up a couple on the industrial 3D printer they have up there. I don't think they use it much
[1:30] <mkopack> piless: yeah, one of the guys in the club already hit me up about a case (he has a pi on the way..) I told him I liked the design and if he could print one I'd pay him for the plastic
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[1:31] <piless> Gadgetoid_Air: the case gordonDrogon is perfect for hackery
[1:31] <piless> *has
[1:32] <piless> Gadgetoid_Air: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/images/raspberrypi/IMG_0001_2.jpg
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[1:33] <ShiftPlusOne> can't fit a floppy drive cable over that
[1:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless: I have it too ;)
[1:33] <mkopack> ARGH... getting frustrated... remembering now why I get so frustrated with Linux
[1:33] <chris_99> anyone done anything with zigbee and the PI
[1:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Perfect for hackery, nightmare for SD cards
[1:34] <piless> Gadgetoid_Air: Hmm, I hadn't thought of that.
[1:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> But it's shiny and vesa mountable, so it gets the benefit of the doubt... also once my software hackery is done I wont need to swap SD so much
[1:34] <mkopack> no 2 packages build the same way... Damn CMake... grrr
[1:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: just stuck a bit of electrical tape onto his SD card, to pull it out with
[1:34] <piless> lol
[1:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> I haven't done so yet, but I'm either going to have to, or perspex might suffer
[1:35] <piless> I want my modmypi case to hurry up and be built
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[1:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm impressed at how fast f17 is installing "Development Tools"
[1:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> Seems to yank down packages several times faster than Debian, probably just better repos
[1:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or more conveniently placed ones
[1:36] <piless> mkopack: http://i.imgur.com/GjLU0.jpg
[1:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Also, f17 has grabbed a 3.3.6 kernel which I'm very tempted to try booting
[1:37] <piless> what's f17?
[1:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Fedora 17
[1:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> vmlinuz-3.3.6-3.fc17.armv5tel :D ALL THE NUMBERS!
[1:38] <mkopack> piless: kinda humbling, huh?
[1:38] <piless> oh so is fedora back in the game?
[1:38] <piless> mkopack: Definitely
[1:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless: it never really left the game, it's just been hiding under a rock, crippled by delays as far as I know
[1:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> There are arm nightlies for the Pi
[1:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/arm-nightlies/
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[1:40] <piless> scotland .ca?!
[1:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> I installed the basic tty-console only one, and booted it with bootc's 3.2.18 kernel
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[1:40] <piless> What
[1:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hahaha, I didn't notice that
[1:41] <piless> Anyone else seen the latest game of thrones?
[1:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> No :( I'm waiting for it to finish so I can marathon the whole season
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[1:42] <chris_99> what is this game of thrones thing
[1:42] <piless> it was sooooooo good
[1:42] <piless> chris_99: tv show based on a book
[1:42] <chris_99> aha, i'll imdb it up
[1:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> the first season was mind-blowingly crisp for a TV series, they knocked it out of the park like they had a ten figure budget
[1:42] <piless> Gadgetoid_Air: Only a week left then
[1:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm just disspoint that I'd never heard of the books before, I was more into hard sci-fi
[1:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> ( and discworld )
[1:44] <piless> I dunno, you can tell they were fighting with the budget, like in the books tyrions first battle was this big affair, but the tv show just copped out and skipped it presumably because it would be too expensive
[1:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, looks like gem is building native extensions properly now
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[1:44] <chris_99> don't think it's out in the uk
[1:44] <chris_99> that i know of
[1:45] <piless> chris_99: it's on sky
[1:45] <chris_99> ah
[1:45] <ant__> 'nite
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[1:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless: Ah, I didn't read the books, so I didn't realise :D still, it's very polished
[1:45] <piless> indeed, but they really let the boat out with the budget with the last episode, it was amazing. I was giggling like a little school girl
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[1:47] <GabrialDestruir> Raspbian is really stripped down .-.
[1:47] <piless> wtf is .-.
[1:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: U DONT SAY :D
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[1:47] <fakker> i had problems with raspbmc after using the rpi-update :|
[1:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> Those lazy Raspbian rascals should be able to recompile and fix all the packages in the debian repo to use hard float overnight, the scoundrels :D
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> I'll try pisces version, see how it is.
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> DAMN RIGHT THEY SHOULD!
[1:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: try Fedora for the awesome power
[1:49] <piless> there's a 2nd builder now?
[1:49] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[1:49] <plugwash> GabrialDestruir, seriously we have a very large proportion of debian built and if there are things you find missing from our repo that you need please tell us
[1:50] <GabrialDestruir> mpthompson is working on another version of raspbian
[1:50] <piless> ugh why are they forking it already?
[1:50] <plugwash> GabrialDestruir, umm mpthompson basically is raspbian
[1:50] <GabrialDestruir> The pisces version apparently isn't as stripped down as Hexxeh's
[1:51] <GabrialDestruir> "This image is a little newer and includes a more complete installation of Raspbian and LXDE than the more minimal Hexxeh image. This image was created using the Debian installer so it reflects a minimal Debian installation with the LXDE packages added for a desktop."
[1:51] <mpthompson> Yeah, I just posted a new image now. It's my first image, but hopefully it will work well for people.
[1:51] <piless> plugwash: You should add the devs names to the irc page so we know who to thank
[1:51] <GabrialDestruir> I'm grabbing it now, gonna try it out.
[1:52] <plugwash> piless, hmm what do you mean by "irc page"?!
[1:52] <piless> plugwash: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianIRC
[1:52] <mpthompson> I'm not sure if I have the torrent configured correctly as I'm trying to get Dropbox to seed it. If not, I'll try to fix it up later.
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[1:53] <GabrialDestruir> Yea.... doesn't seem the torrent is working... lol
[1:54] <plugwash> but seriously raspbian is basically mpthomson and myself, hexxeh built some images and has been giving some advice on chromium issues
[1:54] <piless> mpthompson: seeding torrents sounds like something that would break dropbox's TOS.
[1:54] <Hexxeh> yeah, plugwash and mpthompson are the guys behind raspbian
[1:54] <mpthompson> I was trying to torrent off this: http://sites.google.com/site/torrenttricks/use-dropbox-as-a-free-webseed-for-your-torrents
[1:55] <mpthompson> Looks like dropbox will seed torrents...
[1:55] <mpthompson> I'm going to pull the link down on the Wiki page until I figure out how to get it to work.
[1:56] <mpthompson> I mean the torrent link.
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[1:56] <mpthompson> Gotta go. I'll be back in an hour.
[1:56] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine as long as the file isn't "copy right protected" or w/e they wouldn't care... lol
[1:56] <piless> mpthompson: wouldn't it be more appropriate to use a rpi as a seedbox? :D
[1:57] <piless> GabrialDestruir: dropbox blocks access to files that use too much bandwidth
[1:57] <piless> public access
[1:57] <GabrialDestruir> 10Gigs a day
[1:57] <GabrialDestruir> last I heard
[1:57] <piless> easily filled
[1:58] <mkopack> plugwash: Any big differences between yours and Hexxeh's? I mean, if I already have Hexxeh's up and running and been configging it, does it make sense to switch or can I just do the apt-get update and upgrade, and rpi-update to stay up to date and in sync?
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> We watch carefully for any fraudulent use of Dropbox public links and will suspend suspicious links when they are detected. Links that use up more than 20 GB/day for Free accounts and 200 GB/day for Pro and Teams (paid) accounts are automatically suspended.
[1:59] <plugwash> hexxeh's images are fine afaict they are just a bit too minimal for some people's tates
[1:59] <piless> there's no such thing as "too minimal"!
[1:59] <mkopack> ah, I don't mind that
[2:00] <mkopack> nothing sudo apt-get install can't fix :) (except when I'm stuck having to build from source and can't figure out how, like I am right now! )
[2:00] <piless> unless you don't have internet
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[2:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless: truethat
[2:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> Some people don't know about package groups :D
[2:02] <piless> I suppose if these images are designed to be installed en masse then I guess you want everything you need to be on the single image.
[2:02] <GabrialDestruir> I'd try webseeding from the raspbian servers rather than dropbox, unless there's some sort of limits on the servers....
[2:02] <piless> But then again if you were in that position you'd probably be building your own image anyway
[2:02] <mkopack> Gadgetoid_Air: True, but I have to say, I'm learning a lot by having to figure things out and ask questions here... and that's the whole point of the Pi - teaching people about computers / linux... I'm very much a Linux newb in many respects
[2:03] <GabrialDestruir> Yup.... that worked beautifully.
[2:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Folks would learn more if they were given a minimal image to get started :D learning to manage/use linux is just as valid a skill as programming, the two go hand-in-hand in many respects
[2:04] <piless> Gadgetoid_Air: give 'em a cheat sheet aswell
[2:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> Give a man a fish... etc
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[2:04] <GabrialDestruir> mpthompson the issue is dropbox links now link to a page where you have to click the download button.
[2:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> mkopack: figuring things out and bashing your head against hard objects is fun :) although I've been figuring linux out for years and am still nowhere near competent
[2:05] <piless> what happened to the chrome os port?
[2:06] <mkopack> Well, it's not really fun when it's not the point of what you're trying to accomplish... I was HOPING to have ROS already up and running so I could be doing stuff / learning ROS, not fighting with how to get packages and get them installed for ROS
[2:06] <Hexxeh> piless: it's t
[2:06] <Hexxeh> it's there
[2:06] <Hexxeh> it's just not useful until it's faster with graphical acceleration
[2:06] <piless> oh
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[2:09] <piless> does anyone know how to unpassword protect a harddrive?
[2:09] <IT_Sean> /rm -rf
[2:09] <piless> IT_Sean: I tried formatting it, it would mount the mbr
[2:09] <piless> *wouldn't
[2:09] <IT_Sean> O_o
[2:10] <IT_Sean> Okay, how is it password protected?
[2:10] <piless> bios?
[2:10] <piless> It was a feature on the bios
[2:10] <IT_Sean> is it a boot password on the PC?
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[2:10] <IT_Sean> That's not stored on the HDD
[2:10] <piless> Well the laptop is dead now, I was just hoping to reuse the hdd
[2:11] <piless> is it dead?
[2:11] <IT_Sean> If it's a power on / bios password, that's not stored on the HDD.
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[2:11] <plugwash> IT_Sean, there is such a thing as a hard disk password
[2:11] <IT_Sean> Yes, i realise that
[2:12] <IT_Sean> which is why i am asking WHERE it is asking for a password.
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[2:12] <piless> it wasn't a password to get into the bios
[2:12] <plugwash> and IIRC some bioses set them automatically when a bios password is set
[2:12] <IT_Sean> ahhh
[2:12] <IT_Sean> In that case, he might be shagged.
[2:12] <plugwash> IIRC you can reset them by issuing a security erase command
[2:12] <piless> can't I wipe or repair the mbr? I really don't care about the data
[2:12] <plugwash> but at the cost of wiping the disk
[2:13] <ReggieUK> what about pulling the bios chip
[2:13] <ReggieUK> not sure entirely how it would help
[2:13] <piless> ReggieUK: It's in an external enclosure now
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[2:13] <IT_Sean> have you tried rezeroing the entire drive?
[2:13] <IT_Sean> Can you?
[2:13] <plugwash> google ATA secure erase
[2:13] <ReggieUK> sure but it's p'word protected isn't it?
[2:14] <piless> it doesn't say it's password protected, it just doesn't say anything
[2:14] <ReggieUK> ahh
[2:14] <ReggieUK> run the mfrs diagnostics tools on it then
[2:14] <piless> plugwash: ta
[2:14] <ReggieUK> turn smart on if it's available
[2:15] <piless> I'm on a windows machine at the moment, do you know if there isn't any windows software that performs the same functionality?
[2:15] <ReggieUK> nope
[2:15] <ReggieUK> it's all dos/non os based
[2:15] <ReggieUK> in general
[2:15] <ReggieUK> smart will be a setting in the bios
[2:16] <ReggieUK> and the mfrs diagnostics tool will be a downloadable bootable iso
[2:16] <piless> a live cd?
[2:16] <ReggieUK> burn it to a disc or thumbdrive and boot the pc off it
[2:16] <ReggieUK> not sure if it will appreciate the external enclosure (USB?)
[2:16] <piless> usb2
[2:17] <piless> I can't put it in this machine because it's ide
[2:17] <ReggieUK> kind of a live cd but not really, just does a single thing, no os
[2:17] <ReggieUK> well, you can try and see if it will see the usb drive but don't bank on it
[2:18] <piless> I'll look into both ATA secure erase and mfrs, I hope I can fix it. This little 60gb hdd would be useful for my pi
[2:19] <ReggieUK> mfrs = manufacturer!!
[2:19] <piless> there is no s in manufacturer
[2:21] <mkopack> Can somebody running Raspbian give me a hand building yaml-cpp ???
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[2:22] <ReggieUK> there is in manufacturer's or manufacturers though
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[2:25] <piless> hmm apparently usb won't work
[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose it's bad security habits to use the same public key for multiple linux servers?
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[2:27] <kwixson> So I managed to recompile the kernel, and the RPi did boot up, but when I typed "startx" then X started and I got the desktop, but neither the mouse nor the keyboard would work and the processor stayed 100% active indefinitely. When I rebooted and tried to restore the backup kernel I noticed the keyboard was acting funny. It acted like it kept getting stuck on a letter, like I was keeping it pressed.
[2:27] <D34TH> not aslong as its secure
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[2:27] <kwixson> How do I start to sort this out?
[2:28] <ReggieUK> get serial console running and see what it's stalling on in the boot log
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[2:28] <ReggieUK> unless you can read it already as it's going past
[2:29] <shirro> kwixson: if you recompiled a kernel you need to install modules and depmod -a
[2:29] <piless> pull the keyboards usb plug out and blow on it
[2:29] <shirro> X needs the evdev module for keyboard and mouse
[2:29] <AlcariTheMad> so i got an rpi recently, and put the debian image onto an sd card; when i attempt to boot it, the power light comes on, but nothing else, and no signal comes out of the hdmi
[2:29] <kwixson> shirro: depmod -a ?
[2:29] <GabrialDestruir> Just a thought.... when you're building a distro for release... you probably should clear the bash history
[2:29] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[2:30] <kwixson> I did install the modules, I think.
[2:30] <shirro> trust me. sudo depmod -a, reboot and try X again
[2:30] <kwixson> I followed the instructions on the wiki as closely as I could.
[2:32] <kwixson> shirro: trying that
[2:32] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, ping?
[2:33] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, pong
[2:34] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, I'd like to cheat and load openelec without kexecing another kernel. Is there anything special enabled in the kernel? I am guessing I'll just need to mount SYSTEM and switch_root into it, am I missing anything that would make this impossible?
[2:34] <GabrialDestruir> There's no hard mac for the pi? >.>
[2:35] <kwixson> shirro: "WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/3.1.9: No such file or directory"
[2:35] <sraue> there are some things needed in the kernel to load openelec... devtmpfs must be enabled, squashfs must be in kernel...
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, yeah, I mean aside from that sort of thing... special patches for example
[2:36] <kwixson> shirro: "FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/3.1.9/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directry"
[2:37] <shirro> where did you install your modules? Not in /lib/modules/3.1.9?
[2:37] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/blob/master/packages/initramfs/sysutils/busybox-initramfs/scripts/init this our initramfs does
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> perfect
[2:37] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, we dont need very special patches
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that looks excellent. thanks again
[2:38] <kwixson> shirro: I'm not sure. I just did "make modules" or whatever that step said on the wiki, from the directory where the source files were.
[2:38] <shirro> did you compile on the Pi or another machine?
[2:38] <kwixson> shirro: on the Pi
[2:38] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, ping me if you have questions
[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm...
[2:39] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, thanks, will do.
[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> pisces isn't automatically connecting to ethernet
[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[2:39] <shirro> cd into the linux source directory and type sudo make modules_install then do the sudo depmod -a
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[2:40] <kwixson> shirro: Ok.
[2:40] <shirro> kwixson: outstanding patience compiling kernel on the Pi
[2:40] <kwixson> It did take a while.
[2:41] <kwixson> What does depmod -a do?
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[2:45] <kwixson> Okay, so: "depmod - program to generate modules.dep and map files."
[2:46] <GabrialDestruir> Ok... I have no clue how to get internet working on this -.
[2:46] <kwixson> But what does that mean, and why do I need to do that and why isn't it part of the wiki instructions?
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[2:46] <kwixson> shirro: It worked, by the way. Thank you.
[2:48] <shirro> kwixson: add it to the wiki. after you have added new modules there are parts of the system that need to be given info on them so they can load the modules automatically for programs like X.
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[2:51] <kwixson> Woohoo! video capture working.... sorta
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[2:52] <kwixson> It's just showing a still in VLC, but updates every 30 seconds or so. Irregular.
[2:52] <IT_Sean> On a pi?
[2:52] <IT_Sean> What are you using for the input?
[2:53] <Thorn_> rs232
[2:53] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I'd imagine it's a framebuffer limitation (at least in part)
[2:53] <GabrialDestruir> It seems to me the the entire networking part of raspbian pisces build is broken
[2:53] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[2:53] <kwixson> IT_Sean: Yes. Logitech Pro 9000
[2:53] <IT_Sean> ahh
[2:53] <kwixson> ShiftPlusOne: Know how I can make it any better?
[2:54] <Thorn_> btw ShiftPlusOne, the 125 did not last long http://thoronir.net/photo/Skyjet_Strip02.jpg
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[2:55] <ShiftPlusOne> kwixson, No, not sure, sorry.
[2:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, What happened there?
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[2:55] <Thorn_> 125cc and 60mile/day commute do not flow well together
[2:56] <Thorn_> engine did not like running wide open for 1200 miles, keeled over and now had to fit a 150 bore kit to it
[2:56] <kwixson> So, now the mouse stopped working.
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[2:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Thorn_, ah, I thought you maybe stacked it or something
[2:56] <kwixson> ...and I closed VLC
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[2:57] <Thorn_> nah, its just not powerful enough
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[2:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Is 125 the legal limitation?
[2:58] <Thorn_> yep, its fookin atrocious
[2:58] <ShiftPlusOne> UK then I am guessing?
[2:58] <Thorn_> yep
[2:58] <Thorn_> considering they killed the 2stroke market, they should really bring it upto 250 imo
[2:59] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, 125 is a bit strange... maybe for under 18s 125 makes sense
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[3:00] <GabrialDestruir> -grumbles about lack of dhcp-
[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> on the other hand, you guys seem to be much better when it comes to motorcycle safety.
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[3:00] <Thorn_> only because every biker round here drives like an absolute ponzy
[3:01] <Thorn_> "oh its a 40 speed limit, i better do 35!"
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[3:01] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[3:01] <Thorn_> "them other people leaning their bikes over are real dangerous"
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[3:02] <mpthompson> Has anyone tried out the "Pisces" Raspbian image yet? It's my first image and I hope that it works for users wanting something more than a bare, minimal install of Raspbian.
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[3:05] <GabrialDestruir> no dhcp
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[3:05] <GabrialDestruir> makes it extemely difficult to get internet access
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[3:10] <mpthompson> GabrialDestruier, the Raspbian image doesn't have dhcp? Or are you talking about something else.
[3:10] <GabrialDestruir> Pisces doesn't have any sort of dhcp client that I can tell.
[3:13] <mpthompson> Hmmm. It's using DHCP to get the network address on my local LAN. Let me see what might be going on.
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> from what I can see there's a bunch of dhcp stuff, but no actual client.
[3:15] <shirro> I installed pump on my raspbian I think. not sure what the best client is
[3:15] <mpthompson> I'm seeing a dhclient when doing 'ps ax'. Do you see that?
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[3:16] <GabrialDestruir> Nada
[3:17] <mpthompson> I think I may know what the problem is... Since your PI has a different ethernet address it probably came up as eth1 on your system. Eth1 is not in the /etc/network/interfaces file...
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> Ah
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> yea
[3:18] <mpthompson> There is a way to reset it. Give me a sec to figure that out...
[3:18] <shirro> I think if you ship the image with /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules emptied it should auto fill for people
[3:18] <shirro> until then people will need to delete the last line in it
[3:18] <mpthompson> Yes, that's the file...
[3:19] <GabrialDestruir> Eh... I just changed eth0 to eth1 but I'll take a look at that.
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[3:20] <mpthompson> Either way will work... If you delete the last line in '/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules' and reboot it should reset back to eth0.
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[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> Just an interesting though... when screwing with config files always make sure you have the file path right xD
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> etc/network/interfaces is not that same as /etc/network/interfaces
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[3:36] <kwixson> So I'm watching YouTube on the RPi. Thought that wasn't going to work.
[3:36] <shirro> nice frame rate isn't it :-(
[3:36] <shirro> but it does work
[3:37] <mkopack> kwixson: WHy? Youtube supports H.264, so does the Pi
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[3:37] <kwixson> Somewhere I read that you couldn't get an HTML 5 browser for the RPi yet.
[3:37] <shirro> do you know of any browsers that support openmax out of the box? I don't
[3:38] <kwixson> But on a lark I checked to see if Chromium available, and sure enough.
[3:38] <shirro> kwixson: no all the top browsers are fine with html5. the problem is h264 is not accelerated by any of the browsers at the moment. you can get sofware webm happening but the frame rate is pretty bad
[3:39] <shirro> on my other arm - i have accelerated gstreamer so I can play web video just about with the right mozilla plugin
[3:39] <kwixson> So I see.
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[3:40] <kwixson> So when the foundation is bragging on the video capabilities of the RPi, they're talking about what it's technically capable of, but not what software is currently available to make it work?
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[3:41] <shirro> if someone bothers to port gst-openmax to the Pi we will have totem and other gstreamer compatible stuff. there are also potential plugins for vlc. and I think there may be some sort of openmax code in chromium somewhere that could be worked on
[3:41] <shirro> kwixson: mostly yes. as developers (or potential developers) it is up to us now
[3:42] <shirro> it is the only way to bootstrap a project like this on a house mortgage without the resources of an Apple or Google
[3:42] <shirro> omxplayer and xbmc show that the video playback works pretty damn well. We just need to hook it into all the usual apps now
[3:43] <SpeedEvil> shirro: Being able to get chips cheaply because you're on the SoC makers board is important too
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[3:45] <kwixson> They're working on getting a camera module produced, so I'm really hoping the software will start to catch up soon.
[3:46] <tech2077> whats the default username and password for raspbmc
[3:46] <D34TH> pi:raspberry
[3:46] <tech2077> thanks
[3:46] <shirro> kwixson: what do you need for that? Can you use openmax il for anything?
[3:47] <kwixson> shirro: I was trying to get this webcam working so I could experiment with using the RPi for 3D scanning (fabscan)
[3:47] <Syliss> oi
[3:48] <GabrialDestruir> I still can't get public key authentication working on my pi .-.
[3:49] <tech2077> time to get vnc on xbmc
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[3:49] <Hexxeh> shirro: yeah there's openmax stuff in chromium
[3:49] <Syliss> shirro: only issues I've had with video on xbmc is subs.
[3:49] <Syliss> tech2077: yeah i need that too
[3:50] <GabrialDestruir> I haven't had any sub issues
[3:50] <tech2077> sherlock decided to have random subs
[3:50] <Syliss> lol.
[3:50] <GabrialDestruir> You had more than one set of sub files yea?
[3:51] <tech2077> likely in a asian language since it was garbled, and had no encoding for it
[3:51] <shirro> Hexxeh: Chromium just looks better and better. Does it work on any platforms or is it just an experiment?
[3:51] <GabrialDestruir> Because that's the only thing I noticed, but you can turn them off easily enough
[3:51] <tech2077> need to check the source on my laptop
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[3:52] <Hexxeh> shirro: Sure, OpenMAX support appears to be in development (and has been for a couple years now, so it's probably pretty decent) on a number of ARM boards, mainly Tegra devices
[3:52] <shirro> Hexxeh: and what is the state of h264 and chromium these days? Because we don't have accelerated webm
[3:52] <Hexxeh> not sure on that front
[3:52] <tech2077> i love my rootfs being on my desktop
[3:53] <tech2077> don't have to wait ages for apt installs
[3:53] <tech2077> just chroot into them
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[3:55] <tech2077> only problem so far with nfs boot is a weird problem where xbmc doesn't register any usb device input
[3:56] <tech2077> only when booted locally does it register the input
[3:58] <tech2077> does xbmc use x11
[3:58] <tech2077> or do i have to do something else to get vnc on raspbmc
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[4:00] <GabrialDestruir> okay... apparently I'm missing an option here -.-
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[4:02] <shirro> has anyone used an arm with usb otg (beagle, panda, imx) etc to provide usb storage for the Pi. I am wondering what performance would be like if I had usb storage with nearly 1G of cache ram and a desktop SATA drive and no ethernet in the way
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[4:18] <mkopack> shirro: I can tell you that using a USB drive (I have a small SSD in the enclosure) makes a HUGE difference in performance on the Pi??? WAY more responsive
[4:19] <hotwings> mkopack - do you just boot from the sd and store everything on the usbhd?
[4:19] <mkopack> I have it set so the SD starts the boot and the USB completes it and /root is on the USB
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[4:20] <hotwings> what kind of sd are you using?
[4:20] <mkopack> plus that allows me to get away with a really small SD card
[4:20] <Syliss> yeah i have 64mb i could use for that
[4:21] <mkopack> Or at least it will??? I'm still using the Samsug class 6 16 GB SD card I bought
[4:21] <mkopack> the SSD is WAY nicer than the SD was IMO
[4:22] <hotwings> havent used samsung but my sandisk extreme iii's are nice & snappy. figured ill sacrifice one to the rpi
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[4:25] <mkopack> I just found that with SD, the os would be a bit non-responsive at times??? with the SSD, it seemed a lot smother / less choppy
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[4:26] <mkopack> wish I could figure out how to build yaml-cpp
[4:27] <hotwings> well. element14 said my rpi would ship by 5/29.. thats tomorrow, still no word
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[4:27] <mkopack> it'll come man. hang in there...
[4:27] <shirro> hotwings: what country?
[4:27] <hotwings> usa
[4:27] <shirro> oh, when you said element 14 I thought it might be over here. you guys usually say newark
[4:28] <hotwings> im a little disappointed that even after all this time, audio is still an issue
[4:28] <hotwings> normally i do say newark but for some reason i was picturing the element14 logo while i was mentioning it
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[4:29] <shirro> hotwings: it wouldn't be linux if audio wasn't an issue
[4:30] <Syliss> haha so true
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[4:33] <mpthompson> hotwings, I also had a May 29th date on an email from element 14 about six weeks ago. On thursday I received a UPS shipping number. Should be tomorrow or Wednesday.
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[4:34] <Hexxeh> aww, beating me there by two days :(
[4:34] <Hexxeh> don't get there till friday
[4:35] <mpthompson> Well, I don't have it yet...
[4:35] <Hexxeh> true... :)
[4:35] <mpthompson> I do have a borrowed system though...
[4:35] <Hexxeh> aye, i saw
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[4:35] <shirro> I wish I knew when the RS delivery would happen. Element 14 email you, take your money and deliver it next day. RS take your money and disappear.
[4:36] <mpthompson> hexxeh, is google taking care of your housing for you this summer? Or is that something you need to figure out on your own.
[4:36] <Hexxeh> taking care of that myself
[4:36] <UnaClocker> RS took my money, disappeared, but shipped it like 4 days later, and it arrived overseas in 2 days.
[4:36] <Hexxeh> not actually sorted it yet
[4:36] <Hexxeh> just booked a hotel for a couple weeks, gonna try finding somewhere once i get there
[4:36] <Hexxeh> oddly enough, people don't want to deal with me when i'm a few thousand miles away :P
[4:37] <mkopack> Hexxeh: Whatchya doing for Google?
[4:37] <shirro> At least they know where the uk is.
[4:37] <Hexxeh> mkopack: I'm working on ChromeOS
[4:37] <mkopack> Ah, cool!
[4:37] <mkopack> Congrats
[4:37] <Hexxeh> cheers :)
[4:38] <GabrialDestruir> This is annoying... lol
[4:38] <mkopack> What is?
[4:38] <mpthompson> Not Raspbian again... :-)
[4:38] <GabrialDestruir> trying to get public key authetnication working
[4:38] <mkopack> ah
[4:39] <GabrialDestruir> and yes I'm busy using Raspbian :p
[4:39] <hotwings> my linux audio has always worked fine.. granted ive only ever used nvidia hdmi audio in linux :)
[4:39] <GabrialDestruir> though I doubt that's the problem
[4:40] <mpthompson> Why are you messing with public key authentication? Just make all your passwords 'opensaysme' and make your life simple. :-)
[4:40] <GabrialDestruir> Also makes the life of every hacker ever easy too
[4:41] <mpthompson> If it's too obvious, they'll never get it...
[4:41] <GabrialDestruir> oh like "password" being the password?
[4:41] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[4:41] <mpthompson> Even better, make the password nothing...
[4:42] <mpthompson> If you are messing with ssh public key authentication, the permissions on files are what usually trip people up...
[4:43] <mpthompson> Both on the .ssh directory and authorized_keys files...
[4:43] <GabrialDestruir> It'd help if I had them in the right directory
[4:43] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[4:43] <mpthompson> Oh, that too...
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[4:53] <GabrialDestruir> Well still doesn't appear to be working
[4:54] <mpthompson> Did you edit the sshd config file?
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[4:55] <GabrialDestruir> Yea... which is why this isn't making sense... blah
[4:55] <mpthompson> You may need to uncomment the AuthorizedKeysFile. Not sure if that indicates the default or not.
[4:55] <mpthompson> Let me see if I can quickly configure it here.
[4:57] <GabrialDestruir> AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys
[4:57] <GabrialDestruir> is what I've got
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[4:57] <mpthompson> Works find for me configuring it for root... Authenticating with public key "rsa-key-20120416"
[4:57] <mpthompson> I didn't make any changes to the sshd_config file.
[4:58] <mpthompson> Create the ~root/.ssh directory and 'chmod 700 ~root/.ssh'
[4:59] <mpthompson> Copied my public key into ~root/.ssh/authorized_keys and 'chmod 600 ~root/.ssh/authorized_keys'
[5:00] <mpthompson> If still not working for you, check the /var/log/auth.log file as that is where I believe sshd puts its error messages.
[5:01] <mpthompson> Perhaps the line with your public key in authorized_keys is incorrect.
[5:03] <GabrialDestruir> It appears currently this is client side, auth.log isn't even showing it's attempted
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[5:08] <GabrialDestruir> Eh. I quit. xD
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[5:19] <vex> has anyone tried to run dist-upgrade on their debian installed pi ?
[5:19] <vex> because.. mine crashes
[5:19] <vex> around:
[5:19] <vex> Setting up python-minimal (2.6.6-3+squeeze7) ...
[5:20] <vex> where "crashes" is "stops responding"
[5:21] <GabrialDestruir> crashed lxde
[5:21] <GabrialDestruir> lovely
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[5:22] <vex> GabrialDestruir: ideads?
[5:22] <vex> er
[5:22] <vex> ideas, even.
[5:23] <GabrialDestruir> None.
[5:23] <vex> has no-one tried to dist-upgrade before?
[5:23] <mpthompson> Use dist-upgrade all the time. What are you trying to do?
[5:24] <vex> i've just booted into the debian distro and issued a dist-upgrade
[5:24] <vex> it crashes at Setting up python-minimal (2.6.6-3+squeeze7) ...
[5:25] <mpthompson> Probably unrelated to dist-upgrade. That would be a problem with the package, I would think. python-minimal seems like it would be a meta package.
[5:25] <vex> hrm
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[5:26] <mpthompson> Have you looked in /var/log/apt directory to see if there are any hints in the logs?
[5:28] <vex> i shall
[5:28] <vex> :)
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[5:30] <vex> i'll reimage the SD card and start again
[5:30] <vex> in case it's some weird stuff I did
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[5:35] <GabrialDestruir> I guess I'll reimage too.
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[5:46] <vex> must have been something I did.
[5:47] <vex> it's fine now.
[5:47] <vex> :)
[5:47] * vex tries to remember what he did.
[5:47] <vex> install vim. start ssh. expand disk to fill sdcard
[5:47] <vex> then it failed
[5:47] <vex> this time i installed vim only
[5:47] <vex> and removed the qt4 apt line
[5:48] <vex> and dist-upgrade finished fine.
[5:48] <vex> ah. also changed locales.
[5:48] <GabrialDestruir> Oh I haven't expanded the OS to fill the sdcard
[5:49] <GabrialDestruir> internet fix first xD
[5:49] <vex> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Manually_resizing_the_SD_card_on_Raspberry_Pi
[5:49] <vex> ;)
[5:49] <vex> works well
[5:49] <vex> though, following those instructions will remove all swap space.
[5:49] <vex> if you're worried about keeping swap.
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[5:50] <GabrialDestruir> I already know how to expand my space :p
[5:50] <vex> right :)
[5:50] <GabrialDestruir> I just do it all in gparted
[5:51] <GabrialDestruir> -facedesks-
[5:52] <GabrialDestruir> I forgot to add myself to the sudoer's list xD
[5:52] <vex> heh
[5:52] <GabrialDestruir> Eh oh well
[5:52] <GabrialDestruir> easily fixed
[5:54] <vex> ugh, joe editor.
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[6:06] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[6:06] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently Raspbian didn't like the changes I made... lawl
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[6:30] <GabrialDestruir> Got it working!
[6:31] <GabrialDestruir> I dunno why it broke the first time.
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[6:37] <GabrialDestruir> Odd....
[6:37] <GabrialDestruir> find won't wildcard for me
[6:37] <GabrialDestruir> find: `*': No such file or directory
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[6:49] <hotwings> GabrialDestruir - youre not putting * in quotes are you?
[6:49] <GabrialDestruir> No I wasn't.
[6:49] <GabrialDestruir> apparently find * fails in that way if there's nothing to find xD
[6:49] <GabrialDestruir> ie empty directory
[6:50] <hotwings> find succeeded, it told you theres no file or dir in your empty dir lol
[6:50] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose... yes xD
[6:51] <GabrialDestruir> Would of made more sense if it just said "There's nothing here" instead of looking like it failed.
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[6:58] <GabrialDestruir> oops
[6:58] <GabrialDestruir> I forgot to specify a ram split for rpi-update
[7:00] <GabrialDestruir> It should default to whatever the systems current split is instead of the 228 split or w/e
[7:03] <GabrialDestruir> Oh I guess it does detect the split. lol
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[7:29] <GabrialDestruir> Where does Raspbian handle clearing the motd?
[7:29] <GabrialDestruir> During boot-up that is.
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[9:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Fedora has done something horrible to my external disk??? I think??? weird
[9:43] <GabrialDestruir> Death to fedoora?
[9:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Well, the two partitions on my external drive which aren't Fedora have mysteriously disappeared
[9:44] <GabrialDestruir> Odd
[9:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It's like something has partially recovered the old GUID partition table and used it to m??ller the real one
[9:45] <GabrialDestruir> Ouch
[9:46] <GabrialDestruir> I want to get into penetration testing for companies. lol
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[9:55] <GabrialDestruir> I don't remember who told me about screen.... but extremely useful. lol
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps.
[9:59] <chnops> hey
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[10:06] <Veryevil> Morning all
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[10:06] <gordonDrogon> Indeed!
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[10:09] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Might just use testdisk to backup my home dir and rebuild everything from scratch
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> Thinking I need a few more SD cards.
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> other than ebay, wondering who has the best selection...
[10:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Certainly the safer route for testing
[10:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> mymemory.co.uk is where I go
[10:10] <GabrialDestruir> Is domain.com any good?
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> hm. not used mymemory.co.uk - often use crucial.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> domain.com to register domains with?
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[10:12] <gordonDrogon> If you want a good geek centric company for domains then portfast.co.uk are very good.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> only if your in the UK though.
[10:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> mymemory isn't bad, not sure about their prices but they were right for me; and they accept paypal
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> Hm. crucial don't do SD cards.
[10:14] <GabrialDestruir> Well apparently I can get three years at domain.com with a 30% for only 170USD
[10:14] <GabrialDestruir> which is only about 50 dollars more than a 1 year renewal with dreamhost
[10:14] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> only $170?
[10:14] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[10:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The code "id5mm" looks like it'll get 5% off at mymemory at the moment, too
[10:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But that's the best I've been able to find
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> I currently use totalregistrations - costs me about ?15 a year per .com/.co.uk
[10:15] <GabrialDestruir> That's for hosting .-.
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> I'm not that fussed about saving a pound here or there on something that costs under a tenner - it's good service I'me after.
[10:15] <GabrialDestruir> Not domain registration...
[10:15] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> Hm... You get what you pay for :)
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> (and I run a small hosting company ;-)
[10:16] <GabrialDestruir> Been there done that, got ripped off. .-.
[10:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: do you host in??? THE CLOUD
[10:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Ha!
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> hehe.. I run my own tiny little cloud, but I don't sell it as that!
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[10:17] <teh_orph> morning lols
[10:17] <Veryevil> morning
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> more like a alto stratus than a cumulo nimbus :)
[10:18] <shirro> has anyone got gst-openmax working on the Pi. I have compiled it and configured it to use the broadcom library and I can see it loading up in debug output but have no idea how to make gstreamer use it.
[10:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Mornin'
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[10:20] <KrnlPanic> According to my email, my Pi is to ship this week! Woohoo! Any suggestions on Pi OS?
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> so it's probably no worth going for a class 10. my transcend class 6 doesn't work, so it's probably a sandisk class 4 to be safe ...
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, which Linux have you used in the past? If nothing, then get the standard debian - it's probably the best supported right now.
[10:21] <KrnlPanic> Slackware/Ubuntu
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> Go for debian.
[10:21] <KrnlPanic> Standard probably best for me then
[10:21] <KrnlPanic> Thank you, gord
[10:21] <KrnlPanic> gordonDrogon*
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> then later on you can upgrade to raspbian.
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[10:22] <fALSO> bom dia
[10:23] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently it costs a dollar more for windows hosts xD
[10:23] <GabrialDestruir> Those windows hosters are suckers
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[10:23] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[10:24] <gordonDrogon> Hm. this is a bit odd: http://www.mymemory.co.uk/SDHC/SanDisk/SanDisk-4GB-SD-Card-%28SDHC%29---Twin-Pack---Class-4 vs. http://www.mymemory.co.uk/SDHC/SanDisk/SanDisk-4GB-SD-Card-%28SDHC%29---Class-4
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> the twin pack is more than double the single.
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> and the picture shows class 2 devices, although the picture could be wring.
[10:25] <GabrialDestruir> The single is 70% off
[10:25] <GabrialDestruir> the double is 65% off
[10:25] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Maths hurts...
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[10:26] <lucian> am i right that i need a powered usb hub to connect usb hard-drives to the pi?
[10:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I think I've bought 4 SD cards from them now, and all were as described- got some of their own brand ones, a samsung and something else
[10:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> lucian: not if the hard drive is, itself, powered
[10:26] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm.... domain.com doesn't have shell.... but I've never used shell from my webhost...
[10:26] <teh_orph> lucian: normally they need more power than that
[10:26] <lucian> Gadget-Mac: right, it isn't
[10:26] <teh_orph> esp 3.5" drives
[10:26] <lucian> ugh, lots of users clashing at Gadget*
[10:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Haha :D
[10:27] <lucian> it's a 2.5" with a tiny cable, but apparently not enough
[10:27] <teh_orph> don't HDs need a peak of like an amp?
[10:27] <teh_orph> eg when they spin up? hubs won't give you that...
[10:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yeah, that's probably irritatin for Gadget-Mac, but doesn't bother me
[10:27] <lucian> so, any suggestions about cheap, simple hubs?
[10:28] <lucian> teh_orph: it works fine on everything else
[10:28] <teh_orph> on PC?
[10:28] <teh_orph> no external power?
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> lucian, Go, Gadget go?
[10:28] <lucian> teh_orph: yeah
[10:28] <teh_orph> nice
[10:28] <lucian> teh_orph: i've connected it to all manner of netbokos and such, works fine
[10:29] <lucian> WD "something"book, if you're curious. i have 3 :)
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[10:29] <KrnlPanic> Does anyone know if a USB-IDE Drive (Powered via USB) Will run directly from the Pi or will it need to be plugged into a powered USB hub?
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> powered
[10:30] <KrnlPanic> It's an old 60GB Laptop IDE HDD
[10:30] <teh_orph> again, 3.5" or 2.5"
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> Definitely.
[10:30] <lucian> if it's old, most probably
[10:30] <KrnlPanic> 2.5"
[10:31] <teh_orph> sounds like a yes then to a powered hub :)
[10:31] <teh_orph> some people I've spoken to have had to recompile their kernel for support for the controller though
[10:31] <haltdef> I've ran a 2.5" hdd without power from a pandaboard before, can't the pi provide the full 500ma to a usb port?
[10:31] <lucian> so, any suggestions about good powered hubs? :)
[10:31] <teh_orph> no idea!
[10:32] <lucian> haltdef: that's what i'd have expected, the pi is plugged into mains after all
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[10:33] <Veryevil> Pi wont provide more that ~100ma on each usb port
[10:33] <Veryevil> so no hard drives
[10:33] <KrnlPanic> Veryevil: Thank you
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> the pi can supply at most 140mA from it's on-board USB ports.
[10:34] <lucian> i wanted to make mine a NAS too, i guess i'll need more hardware
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> so it's highly unlikely it can power a drive...
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[10:34] <Veryevil> That one of the biggest problems with the PI hardware. Its causing trouble with fancy keyboards, wifi and all manner of peripherals
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> just get a powered hub...
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> I guess to be fair, it's not really intended to drive really fancy stuff, however they could have made the USBs a little more robust.
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[10:35] <gordonDrogon> there is a thread on the forums about replacing the polyfuse...
[10:35] <tango73> ciao
[10:36] <tango73> !list
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[10:36] <gordonDrogon> however the PCB is rated 500mA max from what I recell.
[10:36] <Veryevil> 140ma polyfuse was a dick move on their part.
[10:36] <lucian> gordonDrogon: yeah, i'll just find myself a hub. i'd actually like a case with an integrated power supply and powered usb hub
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> it was a conservative move, but maybe not the best - 140 per port might have been better rather than 140 for both.
[10:37] <Veryevil> it is both
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> but there is also a 1A polyfuse on the main 5V inlet...
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[10:37] <Veryevil> sorry it is 140 per port
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> oh? OK. I was under the impression it was 140 for both.
[10:37] <Veryevil> no 140 each that why there is F! and F2
[10:37] <Veryevil> F1 and F2
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> yep - looking now. well you learn something new every day :)
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> so are there keyboards that really need more than 100mA? That sort of surprises me..
[10:38] <Veryevil> led ones
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> hm my keyboard only has 3 LEDs .. wonder what I'm missing :)
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> ok. order conformation from mymemory, but: [ Empty or malformed message. Use "H" to see raw text. ]
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> silly email system - someone assumes everyone uses outlook or html email...
[10:40] <lucian> mymemory looks cheap indeed
[10:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: some people don't use HTML email!? what madness is this!
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> I guess I'm mad...
[10:41] <lucian> i tend to just turn it to plain text for people when i reply
[10:42] <lucian> often their clients just reply in plain text
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> I use alpine to do email.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> been using that, and pine before it for about 20 years now.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> you sort of get stuck in your ways..
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> although alpine can do a reasonable html rendering - but only when the message is mime packaged correctly - it seems their mime headers/separators are somewhat incorrect. Ho hum.
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> right. other stuff to do. laters.
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[10:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> yikes, I think I underestimated the gargantuan size of my home directory
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[11:02] <stuartm> can anyone in the UK recommend a micro usb PSU which can deliver at least 1A and is under ??10 (in the spirit of the low cost of the Pi I'd prefer not to spend more) - there are hundreds of options out there, but a huge number of generics and fakes which seem like a gamble
[11:02] <GabrialDestruir> I should be getting my lego case today ^_^
[11:04] <fALSO> lego?
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[11:04] <fALSO> i bought a lego star wars AT-AT
[11:04] <fALSO> for me on christmas :-)
[11:04] <fALSO> it was my first : at 29 years old
[11:04] <GabrialDestruir> Yep
[11:04] <fALSO> LOL
[11:04] <GabrialDestruir> Lego
[11:04] <GabrialDestruir> Totally rocking a Lego Pi Case after today
[11:04] <fALSO> hehehe
[11:05] <fALSO> youre going to make a pi case out of lego ?
[11:05] <stuartm> GabrialDestruir: given the thickness of lego bricks, the ports would be recessed I assume?
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[11:05] <GabrialDestruir> Nah.
[11:05] <GabrialDestruir> 1 x * bricks
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[11:06] <GabrialDestruir> They'll be accessible still.
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[11:06] <GabrialDestruir> Where as with 2 x * bricks they were completely unusable. lol
[11:06] <stuartm> hmm, I wonder if I've got any lego in storage
[11:06] <GabrialDestruir> er well not completely, but it wasn't as closed if you wanted to access the ports and stuff.
[11:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> First person to print a case around the Pi, wins
[11:07] <stuartm> actually, I'll probably just knock something together out of scrap wood
[11:07] <lucian> hmm, if i bought a powered USB hub, could i power the pi from it and also plug it in the pi?
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[11:08] <nid0> yeah, stay away from cheapo hubs though
[11:08] <mjr> it depends a bit, but is possible
[11:08] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I plugged my Pi into its own hub and the electricity just flowed in a loop
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[11:08] <lucian> nid0: i've read bad reviews for some on amazon. the other ones were something like ?30 though
[11:08] <stuartm> lucian: I read something on the wiki about that being a very bad idea, at least I think it was talking about doing that
[11:08] <nid0> yeah a lot of cheap hubs bleed power to the upstream port
[11:09] <nid0> decent ones wont though, and so will be fine
[11:09] <mjr> but, obviously, the hub needs to provide >500 mA power unnegotiated for the Pi
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[11:09] <Gadgetoid_mbp> nid0: I sometimes have to unplug my hub to successfully power-cycle my Pi, it's madness!
[11:10] <lucian> would i risk destroying my pi if i tried to plug it that way and the hub leaked power upstream?
[11:10] <nid0> yeah I got the same with a cheapo one I have here, when I plug one of the pi's usb cables to the hub's upstream (for data to the port) the pi's power light comes on but it fails to boot
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[11:10] <mjr> I doubt it, but make no guarantees.
[11:10] <nid0> so power's coming the wrong way into the pi, doing so didnt damage mine though
[11:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> lucian: I've tried it with a crappy hub, no fires occurred but I don't recall my hub successfully powering up the Pi, and I'm not keen to try again!
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[11:11] <mjr> I mean, any leak will come from the same 5V source as the actual power input...
[11:11] <nid0> if you want to use a hub as just a power source rather than data as well you should have no problem though
[11:11] <nid0> just dont plugin the hub's upstream to the pi's usb ports
[11:11] <lucian> Gadgetoid_mbp: hmm
[11:11] <stuartm> I can't now find what I read, though I think it was somewhere on this page - http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware
[11:11] <lucian> nid0: right, but that's what i was wondering if i could do
[11:12] <lucian> nid0: so i could have less cables and i wouldn't need to buy yet another extension cord
[11:12] <nid0> should be fine for just power as long as the hub supplies enough
[11:12] <lucian> hmm. and would it be safe to also plug the hub in the pi then?
[11:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> lucian: I'd still highly recommend a dedicated power supply to keep the Pi happy, but folks have the thing running on batteries so what would I know :D
[11:13] <nid0> fwiw my hub's a http://www.scan.co.uk/products/10-port-xenta-usb-20-hub-with-psu-desk-wall-mountable-with-psu-pc-mac - listed at 500ma but it does power up my pi fine (but bleeds power upstream, so use it for power only, not data if you get one)
[11:13] <lucian> so i could plug a hard drive in the hub, to connect to the pi
[11:14] <Vostok> my second pi is shipped \o/
[11:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Second? Quick, get 'im!
[11:14] <nid0> my 2nd's due to ship from rs this week
[11:14] <stuartm> doesn't seem fair when some people are still waiting for their first ;)
[11:15] <GabrialDestruir> I'm off to bed. Can't wait for that case xD
[11:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> stuartm: doesn't seem fair, I want a second one :D
[11:16] * lucian also needs to find a case
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[11:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> lucian: -> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-red-p-1071.html
[11:17] <lucian> Gadgetoid_mbp: looks nice, but i don't care much for breadboards
[11:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> lucian: You can reserve that area for small marker-pen drawings of cartoon badgers, then!
[11:18] <lucian> heh
[11:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Or a handy place to store a deck of cards..
[11:19] <stuartm> never understood why they were called bread boards, they'd be lousy for slicing a loaf
[11:20] <lucian> i think it's because you can stick things in them, like you could in bread
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[11:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Did people used to build circuits upon loaves of bread?
[11:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> If it's the right type of bread??? it should be full of currant :D
[11:23] <lucian> hmm http://uk.farnell.com/newlink/4-port-mini-hub/hub-mini-usb-2-0-4port/dp/8704341
[11:23] <lucian> Gadgetoid_mbp: heh
[11:25] <nacho> hi, has anyone succeeded trying to use the uart > 115200 bauds?
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[11:27] <nacho> I can see the syscalls setting the right speed but the oscilloscope show 115200 top speed:
[11:27] <nacho> open("/dev/ttyAMA0", O_RDWR|O_NOCTTY|O_SYNC) = 3 ioctl(3, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or SNDRV_TIMER_IOCTL_NEXT_DEVICE or TCGETS, {B115200 -opost -isig -icanon -echo ...}) = 0 ioctl(3, SNDCTL_TMR_START or SNDRV_TIMER_IOCTL_TREAD or TCSETS, {B230400 -opost -isig -icanon -echo ...}) = 0 write(3, "UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"..., 307200^C <unfinished ...>
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[11:27] <nacho> so I'm guessing it's the driver not letting to go faster
[11:27] <teh_orph> check the datasheet
[11:27] <teh_orph> I'm sure it went higher
[11:29] <nacho> the datasheet says that it can go much higher, but I wonder if there's something on the driver's implementation
[11:31] <nacho> I'm checking the driver's code but it's a bit too much for my knowledge :(
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[11:31] <Gadgetoid_mbp> UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU? Did you mean: F UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU?
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[11:39] <friggle> nid0: "bleed power upstream"?
[11:40] <nid0> friggle: yes
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[11:41] <nid0> cheap hubs seem to have their upstream port connected to the same powered circuit as all the downstream ports, so it ends up feeding power back up the upstream port to the usb port on the pi that its connected to
[11:41] <friggle> nid0: ah, nice :)
[11:41] <nid0> possibly not, it causes pi wierdness, and for all I know, potential damage
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[11:46] <SpeedEvil> It is rather unlikely to cause damage - though not impossible.
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> Poorly regulated PSUs may trip the protections on other ones, shorting out the first, and possibly causeing it to overheat or catch fire.
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> If two are connected in parallel
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[12:41] <SpeedEvil> Argh.
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> Cable arrived for Pi today.
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> HDMI not mini enough :/
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[12:43] <SStrife> ?
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[12:44] <lucian> the pi has a full hdmi port, not a mini-dvi one
[12:44] * SpeedEvil checks cable.
[12:44] <SStrife> the only mini-anything is the power inlet
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> Oh.
[12:45] <SStrife> which isn't even mini, it's micro
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> Oops. :)
[12:45] <SStrife> you tit :P
[12:45] <chnops> I actually had the reverse problem
[12:46] <chnops> I had a mini-HDMI cable that I thought I would be able to use for my Pi
[12:47] <lucian> yeah, me too. good thing i had too cables
[12:47] <SStrife> i lucked out a bit
[12:47] <SStrife> my Mini-DP to DVI adaptor for my MBP
[12:47] <SStrife> has a HDMI connection in the middle
[12:48] <SStrife> it's really a Mini-DP to HDMI + HDMI to DVI adaptor
[12:48] <SStrife> so my Pi had a big cancerous appendage on the side, sporting a DVI plug :P
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[12:49] <Hopsy> anny news a la raspberrypi?
[12:49] <arfonzo> X doesn't need the video memory for remote connections, does it?
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[12:59] <SpeedEvil> No.
[13:00] <arfonzo> Cool, that's what I thought, just making sure. Thanks SpeedEvil. I much prefer more RAM, and running it in headless. (I've also got a huge "growth" in the form of the video adaptors for the RPi that I don't wish to ever use, heh)
[13:01] <arfonzo> It took ages to compile, but I'm RDP'ing into my RPi now.
[13:01] <dwatkins> which package is that using, arfonzo (on the server side for RDPing)?
[13:01] <arfonzo> dwatkins: I'm using xrdp from git repo, which uses tigervnc. I'm on arch.
[13:02] <arfonzo> but I've just compiled both tigervnc and xrdp so I know it'll work on ARM... pretty sure it'll work for any distro.
[13:04] <dwatkins> neat, thanks arfonzo
[13:06] <arfonzo> no probs... I'll find a screenshot for you, sec.
[13:06] <arfonzo> http://art.poorcoding.com/pub/screenshots/rpi-rdp.jpg
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[13:06] <dwatkins> aww, twm :D
[13:06] <arfonzo> yeah, pretty cutting edge stuff. ;)
[13:06] <dwatkins> I wonder how well the RPi runs fvwm, come to think of it, will give it a go when I get mine.
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[13:07] <dwatkins> fvwm is good enough for me, although if it'll run xfce that would be great
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[13:07] <arfonzo> I am about to try xfce4.
[13:08] <dwatkins> What's the monitoring application on the right, arfonzo?
[13:08] <arfonzo> Someone mentioned using it in here before, it definitely works. Just not sure how responsive it might be. I am hoping using headless, with more dedicated memory, it'll be usable.
[13:08] <arfonzo> dwatkins: that's a virtualbox VM, running Haiku OS.
[13:08] <arfonzo> or.. did you mean the gadgets on the desktop?
[13:08] <dwatkins> yeah, I've not decided what I'll use my RPi for, but it would be useful to have RDP or VNC access to it.
[13:08] <dwatkins> on the desktop, yeah
[13:09] <dwatkins> just curious, as I run RainMeter on my Win7 machine
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[13:09] <arfonzo> ah apologies... those are Windows 7 desktop gadgets... if you search for "All CPU Meter" you can find them.
[13:09] <dwatkins> thanks :)
[13:09] <arfonzo> (there's cpu, network, and graphics monitors, each one is separate)
[13:09] <arfonzo> no probs.
[13:09] * dwatkins continues to wait patiently for Farnell to deliver
[13:09] <arfonzo> hah! Did you get a mail that yours had been sent out yet?
[13:10] <dwatkins> sadly no, they sent me a mail a month ago to say it'll arrive in the week comencing 28th May, and when I called they confirmed they were expecting new stock at the end of May.
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[13:11] <kvarley> Farnell sent my Pi second class to me
[13:11] <arfonzo> Hm, I got the same mail dwatkins, and mine arrived last Friday.
[13:12] <arfonzo> me too kvarley
[13:12] <kvarley> But when I got my beagleboard it was first class recorded
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[13:12] <dwatkins> I ordered my RPi on the sunday after initial release, I think.
[13:12] <kvarley> RS are the better distributor of the RPi IMO
[13:12] <kvarley> Nicer/more secure packaging and faster delivery
[13:12] <arfonzo> dwatkins: I think I ordered mine on Saturday.
[13:12] <dwatkins> yeah, wish I'd gone with RS - friend of mine had her RPi delivered two weeks ago
[13:12] <SStrife> should have registered with both! :P
[13:13] <kvarley> I had no issues with Farnell before the RPi so maybe they're just overwhelmed
[13:13] <chris_99> yeah i got my Pi from RS faster than Farnell
[13:13] <dwatkins> I did, SStrife - got the mail from Farnell so I ordered with them.
[13:13] <kvarley> Or cutting costs
[13:13] <kvarley> chris_99: Same
[13:13] <SStrife> ah
[13:13] <dwatkins> yeah, I think both companies weren't expecting the high demand for the dev version
[13:14] <SStrife> oh god
[13:14] <Habbie> i got my pi from farnell faster than from RS
[13:14] <dwatkins> did anyone here order a case from ModMyPi? I'm hoping that'll arrive soon also.
[13:14] <Habbie> for what it's worth :)
[13:14] <SStrife> i just found my copy of The Neverhood
[13:14] <Habbie> *and* farnell has not charged me money yet
[13:14] <Habbie> while RS charges money way, way before shipping
[13:14] <Habbie> dwatkins, i did - mine was scheduled for production last saturday
[13:15] <dwatkins> neat, should arrive soon I hope
[13:15] <Habbie> dwatkins, they just announced a delay
[13:15] <Habbie> dwatkins, modmypi production is now planned to start june 15th
[13:15] <Skrotus> I thought RS wasn't even going to let us order until they had them in stock
[13:15] <SStrife> i reg'd with RS and Ele14 at the same time. Got my pi from RS on the 11th, and my pi from Ele14 shipped today.
[13:15] <Skrotus> so kind of annoyed at the 3 week despatch
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[13:16] <dwatkins> Habbie: aha, hadn't seen the mail from ModMyPi this morning
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[13:40] <arfonzo> dwatkins: so xfce4, at least over xrdp, doesn't feel sluggish at all. I'm on the 224meg profile.
[13:40] <dwatkins> excellent, thanks arfonzo
[13:40] <arfonzo> no probs, don't need to thank me, this was what I was doing anyways. Just reporting my experience. :)
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[13:40] <bolosaur> Guys
[13:40] <bolosaur> When can we start ordering pi again
[13:40] <Habbie> have you registered interest with RS and/or Farnell, bolosaur?
[13:40] <bolosaur> No, I don't like to input my personal info on sites unless absolutely necessary, such as when making a purchase.
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[13:40] <bolosaur> I don't understand why they need more than just my e-mail in order to send me a notification.
[13:40] <teh_orph> so they can title the email you get
[13:40] <teh_orph> "hey, jim"
[13:40] <Habbie> so they can make sure you're not ordering 10 of 'em with different emails
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[13:41] <Habbie> bolosaur, in any case, you can wait a long time i think
[13:41] <teh_orph> "damn - foiled again! they want my name!"
[13:41] <Habbie> i would not be surprised if they ramp up production once they add cases
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[13:41] <dwatkins> yeah, once schools can order them, I guess they will make much bigger orders
[13:42] <lucian> bolosaur: just put in a fake name, you can put in the real one when you order
[13:42] <lucian> (i think)
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> Habbie: I note I've had about 3 'first orders' from tesco delivery, with 10 quid off each time.
[13:42] <dwatkins> I assume this stage is all about ironing out any remaining hardware bugs and letting people prepare various distros for public use
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[13:43] <bolosaur> Eh, I don't like to do that either. I mean I could, but if I input information I want it to be correct. I can't tell you how many times I've inputted crud into some site
[13:43] <teh_orph> I don't think the thing's ready for proper public use yet
[13:44] <bolosaur> only to come back a year later unable to register or use the service because my e-mail is already registered
[13:44] <Habbie> agreed
[13:44] <bolosaur> and unable to retrieve the pass because I don't know what info I registered with :)
[13:44] <Habbie> that's what you get :)
[13:44] <bolosaur> Yes.
[13:44] <bolosaur> So yeah. Does anyone know when it's gonna be ready for sale?
[13:44] <bolosaur> Are there any estimates?
[13:44] <nid0> about 3 months ago, but there's a queue
[13:45] <nid0> if you're asking when the queue's gonna disappear you could be waiting a while
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[13:47] <Dagger2> that's why you use raegdicpydbct@mailinator.com as your email address when registering with crud
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[14:03] <IT_Sean> Morning
[14:05] <SStrife> hey
[14:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Weird, I think testdisk got caught in some sort of recursive file copy loop and just filled my SD card with 8gb of nonsense
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[14:13] <PhonicUK> hey all
[14:13] <IT_Sean> hi.
[14:13] <techman2> hello
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[14:16] <techman2> hrm
[14:17] <techman2> seems all the early adopters are on the forums whinging that the pi is not what they expected.
[14:17] <IT_Sean> THat's been going on for a while now.
[14:17] <lucian> really? i think it's exactly what i expected
[14:17] <arfonzo> I've had it for less than a week, but I agree with lucian, this is exactly what I was expecting.
[14:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> techman2: U DONT SAY :D
[14:17] <Habbie> it is exactly as slow as i was expecting :>
[14:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Damn Pi doesn't play Xbox games, I feel cheated!
[14:18] <Habbie> they said it was like an xbox1!
[14:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Bloody media center nubs, cheap media players have been around for years =/ the HDMI port should have been a VGA port just to stave them off :D
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> EGA
[14:19] <IT_Sean> They used HDMI and composite for a reason.
[14:19] <lucian> some of us don't have displays with vga input
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[14:20] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[14:20] <stuartm> aye, more people have access to a TV than a monitor
[14:20] <Gadgetoid_mbp> That's what VGA->HDMI adaptors are for, I've also got a bridge to sell you ;)
[14:20] <stuartm> eww
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[14:20] <Gadgetoid_mbp> stuartm: quite!
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[14:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I swear Fedora detected Debian on my hard disk and tried to destroy it...
[14:21] <IT_Sean> Yup. That's a feature.
[14:21] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:22] <stuartm> heh, debian is just as likely to look in the mirror and decide to destroy itself
[14:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The only other vaguely plausible reason for that partition's spontaneous combustion would be some attempt to write a new /boot in a low-level way
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[14:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But as the new kernel dropped neatly into my fake boot, I suspect that's not the case.. therefore Fedora is sentient
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[14:26] <stuartm> so, no recommendations on the USB PSU? I guess I'll take my chances ...
[14:29] <SpeedEvil> stuartm: The one from RS, or farnell.
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[14:29] <SpeedEvil> Alternatively, a 'brand name' charger from a reputable vendor - not just a small store selling on amazon or ebay
[14:31] <maltloaf> i use the external battery charger for my samsung galaxy s2, it came with 2 batteries for my phone from amazon
[14:31] <stuartm> SpeedEvil: aye, I'm aware of the number of fakes out there, hence the question
[14:31] <stuartm> didn't think to look at what RS/Farnell had to offer
[14:32] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm doing well with an official nokia micro-USB charger from an N900
[14:32] <stuartm> I've got a phone charger which works, but I actually need it for charging the phone once in a while so it's not a permanent solution
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[14:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Looks like I've got my missing partition back??? swap is still MIA though
[14:33] <stuartm> all my other USB chargers/psus are rated for between 500-700mA, I'd be more comfortable with 1A
[14:34] <maltloaf> my charger is 800mA
[14:34] <shirro> mine is currently plugged into a hub with a wall wart that says 5A. should just about do it I think
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[14:35] <haltdef> mine's plugged into my wnr3500l's usb port :P
[14:36] <stuartm> heh
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[14:38] <chris_99> i think the USB PSU from RS is a bit naff, the cable seems to be borked
[14:38] <chris_99> as when i move it around it goes on / off
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[14:38] <shirro> my usb does that a well. think usb is just crap
[14:39] <chris_99> aha
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[14:39] <chris_99> is there another way to power it
[14:39] <chnops> my router had a crappy PSU like that, only found out after I replaced it
[14:39] <shirro> ofcourse happens more so with the cheapo chinese hub than the apple psu that cost more than the Pi
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[14:47] <stuartm> heh, Farnell are out of stock on their PSUs, not expecting to get stock for a month
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[14:55] <plaisthos> should sound work on the debian/openelec images?
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[14:56] <chris_99> you have to modprobe something i believe plaisthos
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[14:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Fingers crossed my Pi boots :D
[14:58] * IT_Sean crosses the toes on his left foot
[14:58] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It'd be easier to try and telepathically reboot it remotely than it would be to instruct my wife in its operation
[14:59] <IT_Sean> how hard is it to say "unplug it. plug it back in" ?
[14:59] <Matt> I was just thinking that
[14:59] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Except it'll try and boot from the HDD again, and fail
[14:59] <IT_Sean> i mean, really, how dumb is your wife?
[14:59] <IT_Sean> oooh. you buggered with the boot procedure.
[15:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yeah, I think it has failed, too
[15:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Oh well!
[15:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm going to rewrite the boot script to check for the existence of root devices and failover to SD boot
[15:01] <IT_Sean> probably not a bad idea.
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[15:02] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I actually had a working prototype before I rebooted, but I didn't use it, derr :D
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[15:22] <Davespice> Gadgetoid_mbp: its easier if you get her to pull the whole plug out the wall, leaving the USB cables attached and stuff, and plug it back in again, then its more like an electrical appliance than new fangled technology :)
[15:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Davespice: haha, I'd have to get her to negotiate the boot menu :D
[15:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> As it wont yet automatically failover to SD
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[15:24] <Davespice> oh right, you're using cmdline.txt to redirect the boot to another device?
[15:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm not sure why it didn't boot this time, actually, it *should* have
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[15:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Davespice: I'm using ShiftPlusOne's XECLoader
[15:25] <Habbie> plaisthos, sound works if you modprobe snd-bcmsomething
[15:25] <plaisthos> Habbie: yeah, I found that now too
[15:25] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Davespice: it fires up a minimal initrd and launches /boot/Menu.sh, in which is a dialog based menu that will ultimately kexec the right kernel into action along with whatever rootfs you desire
[15:26] <plaisthos> Under Debian it works, I now need to find out if I can get openelec to play sound too
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[15:27] <nid0> Gadgetoid_mbp, any idea if that initrd has iscsi support by any chance?
[15:27] <Matt> nid0: an iscsi initiator on your pi?
[15:28] <nid0> yeah, i've got it working fine within the debian install
[15:28] <Gadgetoid_mbp> nid0: you could bake your own, presumably, if you were so inclined; but I have no idea!
[15:28] <Matt> iSCSI over 100baseT tho
[15:28] <Matt> that's not going to be too snappy
[15:28] <nid0> i'm doing it over wifi at the moment
[15:29] <nid0> and its still faster than the sd card
[15:29] <Matt> jeez :)
[15:29] <nid0> Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 3.29 seconds = 4.25 MB/sec
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[15:29] <nid0> (sd card) ^^
[15:29] <nid0> Timing buffered disk reads: 18 MB in 3.10 seconds = 5.81 MB/sec
[15:29] <nid0> iscsi via wifi
[15:30] <effbiai> nid0: please update the wiki
[15:30] <kvarley> nid0: You're doing a network boot?
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[15:30] <nid0> I will be, havent gotten stuck into getting it going at boot time yet, I know an nfs network boot is easy but iscsi's not so straightforward
[15:30] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I haven't found SD that slow for my needs, I just added a hard disk in a vague attempt to ease the SD-swapping madness and set up a multi-boot system for testing/fiddling
[15:31] <effbiai> nid0: update http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#Results please
[15:31] <kvarley> nid0: What software are you using for it? This sounds cool
[15:31] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I wonder if I can somehow trip off the watchdog before I do a kexec, so if the boot fails to bring up watchdog it'll reboot again
[15:31] <GabrialDestruir> I'm for no real reason what so ever....
[15:32] <GabrialDestruir> creating a dynamic MOTD
[15:32] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[15:32] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I suspect the gap between kexec and the watchdog coming up might be larger than the few seconds it takes to effect a reboot though =/
[15:32] <nid0> on the pi? just open-iscsi, though there's no iscsi support in the debian image kernel so I rebuilt it to add iscsi_tcp and scsi_transport_iscsi modules and it works perfectly
[15:33] <lennard> Gadgetoid_mbp: with some watchdogs you can set the timeout
[15:33] <lennard> not sure about the pis
[15:33] <nid0> my iscsi targets at the moment are a synology nas and dell md3200 san
[15:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> lennard: would be handy if I could set it to ~20sec, boot, then set it back to normal??? although there's probably a way of making sure the kernel reboots when it panics, even if it can't mount the rootfs and read in the settings that tell it to reboot when it panics
[15:34] <lennard> oh thats quite easy
[15:34] <lennard> panic=reboot in the cmdline.txt, iirc
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[15:34] <lennard> something like that anyway
[15:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ohrly, will have to look into that; sounds too good to be true
[15:35] <chris_99> oooh
[15:35] <chris_99> that sounds interesting
[15:35] <lennard> even better
[15:35] <lennard> panic=X in cmdline.txt
[15:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> although I dare say it'll yield little more than a reboot loop, so I'll have to make my Menu.sh increment /boot/bootattempts.txt and add a script in every OS to clear it
[15:35] <lennard> where X is seconds after panic to reboot
[15:35] <chris_99> ooooh nice
[15:35] <lennard> so you can even read the panic for a bit :P
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[15:36] <Gadgetoid_mbp> haha, that's food for thought, thanks
[15:36] <Matt> IIRC, it's tunable at runtime too
[15:36] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'll be adding that to all my boot options
[15:36] <lennard> Matt: correct
[15:36] <lennard> (disclaimer: assuming here that everything works as it would on x86 hardware... but since a pi can cleanly reboot normally it shouldnt be a problem
[15:36] <lennard> )
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[15:47] <GabrialDestruir> What's a command to get external IP for the Pi?
[15:47] <fALSO> whatsmyip.com
[15:47] <fALSO> something like that
[15:47] <IT_Sean> Yeah, easiest to go to whatismyip.com
[15:47] <GabrialDestruir> nvm got it xD
[15:48] <GabrialDestruir> used wget -q -O - checkip.dyndns.org|sed -e 's/.*Current IP Address: //' -e 's/<.*$//'
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[15:50] <chris_99> whatcha trying to do GabrialDestruir ?
[15:50] <stuartm> external IP as in it's behind a NAT ? Otherwise you could just grep it from the output of ifconfig
[15:51] <GabrialDestruir> Building a dynamic MOTD
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[15:51] <IT_Sean> a dynamic MOTD?
[15:51] <mjr> sounds like that works, though there's also stun: ADDR="$(stun -v "stunserver.org" 2>&1 | grep ^MappedAddress | head -1 | cut -d " " -f 3 | cut -d : -f 1)"
[15:51] <GabrialDestruir> Yup
[15:52] <GabrialDestruir> like when you log in, and it shows the MOTD? I'm creating one that shows a bunch of info about the Pi
[15:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Ooo, my wife just replugged my Pi :D
[15:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> And??? it booted...wat?
[15:53] <IT_Sean> ahh. i see.
[15:53] <IT_Sean> also, awesome! your wife managed to plug something in!
[15:53] <IT_Sean> (sorry... sorry...)
[15:53] <chris_99> hehe
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[15:53] <GabrialDestruir> My question is what's she doing out of the kitchen? >.>
[15:54] <oldtopman> LOLno
[15:54] <IT_Sean> heynow.
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[15:55] <chris_99> tidying the house GabrialDestruir
[15:55] <chris_99> ;)
[15:56] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[15:57] <mjr> come now, give the wife a break, we don't know the Raspberry wasn't in the kitchen
[15:58] <lucian> is this really the sort of image this community wishes to project?\
[15:59] <fALSO> ?
[15:59] <lucian> there are better topics to discuss than sexist jokes
[15:59] <fALSO> /!!!\ BREAKING NEWS /!!!\ we have a female here /!!!\ BREAKING NEWS /!!!\
[15:59] <fALSO> :-P
[16:00] <kvarley> lucian: +1
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[16:00] <chris_99> sorry lucian
[16:00] <lucian> chris_99: don't have to apologise to me, i'm not even female
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[16:02] <GabrialDestruir> There's no default way to grab the CPU speed is there?
[16:03] <chris_99> it should be in /proc i think
[16:03] <Dagger2> `lscpu`?
[16:03] <haltdef> bogomips = clockspeed on arm11 iirc
[16:03] <haltdef> /proc/cpuinfo
[16:03] <Dagger2> or just parse /proc/cpuinfo
[16:03] <stuartm> /proc/cpuinfo
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[16:03] <GabrialDestruir> Oh I was under the impression that bogomips wasn't the same as frequency...
[16:04] <mjr> not generally, no
[16:04] <mjr> on pi's soc, they happen to be about same
[16:05] <mjr> you could also check the boot-time configuration file and default to 700 MHz I suppose - there's no dynamic clocking at this point, right?
[16:06] <GabrialDestruir> Right
[16:07] <oldtopman> Fedora 17 comes out this morning!
[16:08] <oldtopman> I wonder if there'll be a pi build.
[16:08] <chnops> I threw the beta of that on my netbook, works nicely
[16:09] * oldtopman is going to compile linux from scratch on his pi
[16:09] <lennard> *on* the pi?
[16:09] <mjr> Do get back to us when you're done. Around Christmas, maybe?
[16:09] <lennard> well, it can be done ofc, I used to bake my kernels on a p75
[16:10] * oldtopman owns a p75 laptop
[16:10] <GabrialDestruir> IRC server on the Pi? >.>
[16:10] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[16:10] <oldtopman> Well, not nesecarrily *on* the pi, but most certainly for it.
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[16:11] <lennard> ah yes
[16:11] <gordonDrogon_> hi.
[16:11] <lennard> big difference :P
[16:11] <Gadgetoid_mbp> mjr: Lawl @ "raspberry wasn't in the kitchen"
[16:12] * gordonDrogon_ scrolls back a bit..
[16:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Wife's actually an I.T. teacher/trainer, but has an aversion to hardware for some reason.. and also some sort of mystical power which causes things to not work
[16:13] <lennard> about 1 in every 20 people I know have that exact same power
[16:13] <gordonDrogon_> my wifes a bit of a gadget freak - got nicer phone/tablet than me...
[16:13] <gordonDrogon_> we .. different...
[16:14] <GabrialDestruir> I think the numbers are higher than that.... at least they feel higher than that most days. xD
[16:15] <n17ikh> grr.. newark said the other day expected ship date would be may 29
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[16:15] <GabrialDestruir> I think my Dynamic MOTD is almost done.
[16:15] <n17ikh> 29th rolls around, it changes to the 12th of june
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[16:16] <KrnlPanic> n17ikh: Seriously? Mine is set to deliver the week of the 29th.. did you get a new email changing it again?
[16:16] <n17ikh> KrnlPanic: that's according to the order summary page
[16:16] <n17ikh> it still claims to be on back order, hasn't shipped
[16:16] <gordonDrogon_> GabrialDestruir, how is it dynamic - named pipe?
[16:16] <KrnlPanic> Ugh
[16:16] <gordonDrogon_> or just re-written every boot time?
[16:17] <GabrialDestruir> Well once I replace the regular motd with it, everytime it loads it'll show real time information.... well in the sense that it's fetching all the info fresh.
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon_> so your re-writing the file every boot time?
[16:19] <GabrialDestruir> No I'm using a script to echo all the information every login
[16:21] <gordonDrogon_> ok. do you think it's needed though?
[16:21] <gordonDrogon_> or just a bit of fun ';-)
[16:21] <GabrialDestruir> Not really, just fun :p
[16:22] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose it could be useful if I allowed other people to guest ssh into my pi or something. But for now it's just so I can say "I did something interesting with it"
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[16:24] <gordonDrogon_> have a look at named pipes if you want more fun :)
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[16:28] <GabrialDestruir> I've come to the realization that when playing with ascii art, optional spaces should be a thing .-.
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[16:29] <Holden> hey, I've just got an hdmi cable and was doing some testing... two questions: 1) can you change hdmi mode on the fly? 2) why do I get a black screen after "/opt/vc/bin/tvservice -p"?
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[16:31] <IT_Sean> Holden: what do you mean by "hdmi mode"?
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[16:32] <Holden> IT_Sean, you can set "hdmi_mode=x" in config.txt http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt to choose a monitor resolution
[16:33] <IT_Sean> oh. That. Sorry, not sure if that can be changed "on the fly".
[16:33] <Holden> I was wondering if you could do the same without modifying config.txt and rebooting
[16:33] <Holden> ok, thanks anyway
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[16:34] <IT_Sean> I don't have an answer, asi have not recevied my pi yet. I am sure someone else here can chime in, though.
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> When the kernel boots - does the red LED go out?
[16:35] <Holden> IT_Sean, do you have an approximate delivery date yet? :)
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> On a related matter.
[16:35] <chris_99> at the mo' if i boot the Pi without being tuned to the hdmi channel, it ends up blank when i switch to it. if i set a hdmi mode in the config.txt, will that not happen
[16:35] <IT_Sean> I do not.
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[16:35] <SpeedEvil> If I plug the Pi into a 2560*1600 display - which can also do 1280*800 - will it pick the one it can, or sulk?
[16:36] <IT_Sean> chris_99: it sounds like your TV may not be bringing it's HDMI port "up" unless it is on that input.
[16:36] <Holden> chris_99, I remember someone solved that using 'hdmi_force_hotplug=1' (but I think you lose the possibility to use composite, since hdmi is always on)
[16:36] <chris_99> oh cool
[16:36] <chris_99> that's fine by me
[16:37] <chris_99> and that goes in config.txt?
[16:37] <Holden> chris_99, yes, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[16:37] <chris_99> thanks a lot!
[16:38] <Holden> SpeedEvil, from what I understand it will use a 'preferred mode', choosing amongst the modes the monitor supports
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> Thanks
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> I need to work out why it's not booting, I guess :/
[16:39] <Holden> with "/opt/vc/bin/tvservice -d dump" I was able to see edid information or my monitor
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[16:39] <Holden> just analyze the dump with the provided program in /opt/vc/bin/ (can't remember the name now, edid-something)
[16:41] <chris_99> SpeedEvil, is the green light coming on
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> No.
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[16:42] <chris_99> strange, are you using the debian image?
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> Arch
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[16:43] <SpeedEvil> It may be the SD isn't reading.
[16:43] <chris_99> yeah could be
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> It won't read on my laptop - which has a somewhatr dodgy reader - so unbzipped/dd'd on my phone
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[16:45] <chris_99> i guess you could try md5'ing the partitions
[16:45] <GabrialDestruir> If I add my user to the root group will it be able to do root stuff without sudo'ing everything? >.>
[16:45] <mjr> no
[16:45] <haltdef> use su
[16:45] <GabrialDestruir> Oh... well that sucks. lol
[16:45] <mjr> you get that by being root
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: That's a point, I guess. I shoud also try mounting them
[16:46] <kvarley> Based upon http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Overclocking_configuration I can overclock to 900MHz without any voltage changes?
[16:46] <Hexxeh> am I reading this right? https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-24255
[16:46] <Hexxeh> it's assuming if you're using VFP instructions and softfp is disabled, that you want vfp3?
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[16:47] <mjr> kvarley, you can try, it can depend on unit
[16:47] <kvarley> mjr: I'll go for 800 first
[16:48] <mjr> 800 seems to be stable for everyone who's mentioned it here ;]
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[16:48] <mjr> mind you, overclocking _can_ cause obscure problems
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[16:49] <kvarley> Also, is there anyway to see whether my SD card is slowing down the device?
[16:50] <kvarley> Click on the LXDE menu takes about 10 seconds to load it
[16:50] <kvarley> Is that normal?
[16:51] <BCMM> kvarley: you could check top and iotop while opening the menu
[16:51] <BCMM> to see whether it is being limited by IO or processor time
[16:51] <kvarley> BCMM: Ok, thanks
[16:51] <mkopack> kvarley: Depends, look at the load meter on LXDE - is it pegged the whole time? Brig up top in a console and look at the memory free before and after you click the menu on LXDE/
[16:52] <BCMM> if there is IO going on, but CPU is not in the high 90s, it's IO-bound
[16:52] <BCMM> (and you are still waiting for it)
[16:52] <kvarley> I'm using a Transcend Class 6 card 8GB but in the past with these cards I have noticed they work well for the first minute of the transfer then suddenly drop
[16:52] <mkopack> I've found the Rpi runs a LOT smoother (for me at least) when running off an external USB drive??? (I'm using a small 30GB SSD in a USB enclosure)
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[16:54] <BCMM> i don't have an Rpi yet - what IO scheduler is being used for the SD card in the official images?
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[16:59] <GabrialDestruir> Cool.
[16:59] <GabrialDestruir> Totally Pointless Dynamic MOTD done.
[17:01] <huene> if it's totally pointless you can always say its just a proof of concept
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[17:02] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
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[17:04] <friggle> Hexxeh: correct. It's mostly naming confusing where defines in v8 which are 'enable_vfp' really mean enable_vfp3
[17:05] <Hexxeh> friggle: might explain the illegal instruction (except, i didn't think movw was vfp related)
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[17:05] <GabrialDestruir> Heh...
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[17:06] <GabrialDestruir> farnell's trying to put off their "gesture of good faith"
[17:06] <Hexxeh> friggle: dunno if you saw yesterday, but i got chromium 20 built for raspbian
[17:06] <Hexxeh> tabcrashes on any page with javascript though, but it should be usable once that's fixed
[17:07] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: nice work
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[17:07] <friggle> Hexxeh: movw is an armv7 instruction and I agree, I wouldn't have thought it directly related to vfp
[17:08] <friggle> Hexxeh: how is general performance on non JS pages?
[17:08] <Hexxeh> got any i can test? i can't find anything particularly complex that doesn't have JS on
[17:08] <Hexxeh> indeed, /everything/ has js on now
[17:08] <Veryevil> can you not disable js inside chrome
[17:08] <IT_Sean> !w
[17:08] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Tue May 29 17:53:00 2012. Temp 83??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 67%, Later 86??F - 64??F. Condition: Thunderstorm.
[17:08] <friggle> Hexxeh: good point. Now, can't think of a particularly great test :)
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[17:09] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: there is a --disable-javascript flag, but it seems to be broken
[17:09] <Hexxeh> i think it has been for a while
[17:09] <Hexxeh> Chrome has some pretty core dependancies on jS
[17:09] <Hexxeh> *JS
[17:09] <friggle> Hexxeh: actually, they may well be using movw to load in to a vfp register
[17:10] <Veryevil> Options -> Under the Hood -> Content Settings -> Javascript?
[17:10] <Hexxeh> those pages actually depend on JS
[17:10] <Hexxeh> so they crash
[17:10] <Hexxeh> :P
[17:10] <Veryevil> ha ha ha
[17:12] <ajebbatson> Have you tried adding --disable-extensions - I think the extensions code requires JS
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[17:15] <Hexxeh> ajebbatson: still crashes
[17:16] <Hexxeh> i've got a backtrace, but it's not really any use without debug symbols
[17:16] <Veryevil> is it webkit thats creashing like midori
[17:16] <Veryevil> crashes*
[17:16] <Hexxeh> and qemu runs out of memory linking a debug build
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[17:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I wonder what happens if I mount my fedora partition and chroot into it??? :D
[17:19] <haltdef> should work just fine
[17:19] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It's certainly happy enough with the same kernel
[17:19] <Hexxeh> backtrace for anyone interested http://pastebin.com/Yq14rwrZ
[17:20] <GabrialDestruir> Ting sounds like easily ones of the best Mobile Providers in the US... lol
[17:21] <Veryevil> hexxeh: like you said back trace is no good without symbols
[17:22] <Hexxeh> true
[17:22] <Veryevil> How long did the build take
[17:23] <Hexxeh> i'm using ninja, so thankfully not too long
[17:23] <Hexxeh> 15 mins maybe
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[17:23] <Hexxeh> it's an incremental build
[17:23] <Veryevil> and you cannot make a dubug?
[17:24] <Hexxeh> runs out of memory linking
[17:24] <Hexxeh> because of the way i have things setup, i have to link with qemu
[17:24] <Veryevil> swap?
[17:24] <kvarley> How do you tell if the RaspberryPi can handle SDHC card or not? I know people say it won't handle the majority of class 10 cards, but is there a way to tell ?
[17:24] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: don't think that's an option with qemu-user-static?
[17:24] <Hexxeh> host system has 16GB RAM, plenty to link chrome
[17:25] <Hexxeh> but qemu segfaults at about 1.2GB used
[17:25] <Veryevil> might be worth fixing that first lol
[17:25] <des2> kvarly there's a list of known working and not workng
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[17:25] <des2> But the only real way is to test the card
[17:26] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: linking a debug build of chrome uses more memory than any ARM device in existence i know of
[17:26] <Veryevil> can you debug build quem
[17:26] <Hexxeh> it's probably hitting some kind of limit
[17:26] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[17:27] <Veryevil> guessing qemu is runnign on x86 / x64 hardware?
[17:27] <Hexxeh> x64
[17:27] <kvarley> des2: I currently have Transcend 8GB Class 6 cards and they seem to be flaky. Was thinking of a SanDisk Ultra 16GB Class 6, heard good things about them.
[17:28] <Veryevil> can you not natively compile that from source first? maybe get it from git? latest version?
[17:28] <stuartm> kvarley: not class 10?
[17:28] <kvarley> stuartm: Apparently class 10's aren't supported because of the ARM version of the board?
[17:29] <stuartm> ah, hmm, should have checked that before ...
[17:30] <stuartm> completely unsupported? as opposed to them only working at Class 6 speeds?
[17:30] <RaYmAn> I'm fairly certain that's not the reason... but a lot of class 10 doesn't work
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[17:30] <gordonDrogon_> !w
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[17:30] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: what qemu version are you using?
[17:31] <gordonDrogon_> !w newton abbot
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[17:31] <gordonDrogon_> Fog?
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[17:31] <haltdef> hm, can't see this ram I needed arriving today now
[17:31] <stuartm> ah well, I've got some class 6 and class 10 cards, I'll just try them all and see what works
[17:31] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: qemu-arm version 0.12.5 (Debian 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze1), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard
[17:31] <haltdef> so much for amazon prime
[17:32] <gordonDrogon_> my transcend class 6 card is weird - gives filesystem errors. the class 4 kingsons ones I have are fine.
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[17:33] <gordonDrogon_> I'm more or less thinking it's probably not really worth it to spend more time trying to get faster SD cards - I'm going to stick with what I know...
[17:33] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: building from qemu-linaro source now
[17:33] <Veryevil> what -linaro
[17:34] <Hexxeh> qemu with better ARM support
[17:34] <Veryevil> yeah ok
[17:34] <chnopsx> my 4GB class2 sandisk microSD card seems try flaky
[17:34] <chnopsx> I often have to run e2fsck, and I was never able to run mkfs.ext4 from within the rip itself without massive write errors :s
[17:34] <chnopsx> try=very
[17:36] <friggle> Hexxeh: that version is *ancient*. qemu-linaro or qemu 1.0 or 1.1rc should be vastly improved
[17:36] <Veryevil> hexxeh: shouldnt take to long to build on your machine
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[17:37] <Veryevil> qemu-linaro just updated to latest 1.1.0-rc3
[17:38] <kvarley> Hhmhmm. Getting 4 MB/s write and 4.6 MB/s read speed on my Pi
[17:38] <Hexxeh> in any case, linking debug chrome takes several GB of memory even with gold etc
[17:38] <Veryevil> hexxeh: you pulling from git or release?
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[17:40] <RITRedbeard> I got my order today
[17:40] <RITRedbeard> they accidentally gave me ten (10) units
[17:40] <RITRedbeard> oops!
[17:40] <teh_orph> no way!
[17:40] <mkopack> RITRedbeard: WHAT??? You got sent 10 Pi's???!
[17:40] * kvarley is jealous of RITRedbeard
[17:40] <RITRedbeard> Too bad, newbs.
[17:40] <Veryevil> Order of what?
[17:40] <RITRedbeard> Suck it.
[17:40] <mkopack> lol
[17:41] <RITRedbeard> You'll never get a Pi!
[17:41] <RITRedbeard> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
[17:41] <mkopack> Have fun buying PSU's and SD cards for all that!
[17:41] <mkopack> haha
[17:41] <megaproxy> RITRedbeard,
[17:41] <megaproxy> make a cluster
[17:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> pics or it never happend ?
[17:41] <megaproxy> :D
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[17:41] <megaproxy> seriously, be the first to get a good cluster going
[17:41] <megaproxy> :D
[17:41] <Veryevil> Pic or it didnt happen
[17:41] <RITRedbeard> I gave Eben sexual favors.
[17:41] <mkopack> I need to find another powered USB Hub or two for my setups
[17:41] <mkopack> RITRedbeard: You would :)
[17:41] <RITRedbeard> </raspberrypi trolling>
[17:41] <RITRedbeard> ;)
[17:41] * urs actually just compiled his kinetic Plasma simulation code (for his PhD thesis) on the Pi.
[17:41] <urs> it is running, but SLOOOOW>
[17:42] <mkopack> urs: I bet!
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[17:42] <mkopack> urs: that sounds like the sort of thing that would benefit from CUDA or OpenCL
[17:42] <urs> it does. :)
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[17:42] <urs> My primary platform is BlueGene/P though.
[17:43] <urs> (Which is basically a huge graphics card with 300000 PowerPC CPUs instead of shading units)
[17:43] <mkopack> At some point I should try my rendering code on my Rpi...
[17:43] <mkopack> Probably take it FOREVER to read in and process the scene file??? Even on my Mac pro that takes forever (single threaded though...)
[17:43] <GabrialDestruir> Guess it's time to play with ruby on my pi
[17:43] <RITRedbeard> BlueGeneeeeee
[17:43] <RITRedbeard> urs, you research witih IBM?
[17:43] <megaproxy> if i put cream on my pie
[17:44] <megaproxy> will it work better?
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[17:44] <teh_orph> can you try overclocking those ten pis and see how they differ?
[17:44] <RITRedbeard> and RS called
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[17:44] <urs> RITRedbeard: I'm working on my PhD in astro-plasma-physics, and have a large computing grant on Jugene (the BlueGene/P at Juelich Supercomputing Centre)
[17:45] <RITRedbeard> they said no more Pis being delivered because
[17:45] <RITRedbeard> the factory in china exploded
[17:45] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: noticed your extra repo on github, is that everything needed public now?
[17:45] <RITRedbeard> urs, that's pretty awesome.
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[17:45] <teh_orph> no, just a bit of version control :-)
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[17:45] <Cheery> hi
[17:45] <teh_orph> I have realised already that I hate git
[17:45] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/3sfcG.jpg
[17:45] <teh_orph> I might find a different version control system
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[17:46] <Hexxeh> git is /awesome/
[17:46] <teh_orph> no,
[17:46] <Hexxeh> i hated it at first, came from SVN
[17:46] <Hexxeh> you grow to love it
[17:46] <megaproxy> git is win
[17:46] <megaproxy> git copy YOURMUMMA
[17:47] <megaproxy> or is it clone..
[17:47] <Cheery> I used mercurial at first
[17:47] <megaproxy> i forget
[17:47] <Cheery> but git is ookay.
[17:47] <teh_orph> ever used Accurev?
[17:47] <Cheery> no
[17:47] <teh_orph> I hate that, bit still prefer it to git so far!
[17:47] <chnopsx> even I use git now, and I'm almost completely retarded
[17:48] <Veryevil> I find git far better than svn
[17:48] <stuartm> git is awful, powerful but not user friendly in the way that say SVN is ... I blame the speed at which it was written
[17:48] <Veryevil> ha ha
[17:48] <Cheery> SVN user friendly?
[17:48] <teh_orph> yeah it seems like the version control equivalent of "programmer art"
[17:48] <nid0> hah, just had a google streetview car drive past my front window
[17:48] <teh_orph> if anyone's familiar with the game's industry :-)
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[17:49] <teh_orph> omg apostrophe fail
[17:49] <stuartm> Cheery: the most frequently used stuff is all there with no obscure arguments or magic incantations, the same can't be said for git
[17:49] <des2> Did you moon it nid0 ?
[17:49] <RITRedbeard> oh god
[17:49] <Cheery> stuartm: like add, commit, pull, push?
[17:50] <RITRedbeard> people like git... people like git...
[17:50] <nid0> sorely tempting, but probably not how I want to remember myself standing outside my house in years to come
[17:50] * RITRedbeard takes his medication
[17:50] <Cheery> RITRedbeard: bullet to the head?
[17:50] <des2> You could have been an internet sensation
[17:50] <Cheery> RITRedbeard: how many are there in the first place?
[17:50] <RITRedbeard> maybe I should dispense medication
[17:50] <RITRedbeard> namely thorazine
[17:50] <zgreg_> SVN is user friendly?
[17:50] <RITRedbeard> how the hell is git so damn great?
[17:50] <zgreg_> good joke
[17:50] <RITRedbeard> git is for gits
[17:50] <stuartm> doesn't mean I can't use git (have to) but I still believe my first impression of it holds true, just because I've memorised everything doesn't make it any better designed than it first seemed
[17:51] <teh_orph> +1
[17:51] <Cheery> everyone and their damn dog is using git today
[17:51] <Cheery> what's wrong with it?
[17:51] <Cheery> even linus likes it!
[17:51] <teh_orph> that's not saying much
[17:51] <Veryevil> didnt linus write it?>
[17:51] <stuartm> tools should be natural not something you learn to use through sheer persistence
[17:51] <stuartm> Cheery: linus wrote it ...
[17:51] <chnopsx> linus may be a bit biased??? :D
[17:51] <stuartm> or was that a joke?
[17:51] <zgreg_> stuartm: that doesn't hold for something as abstract as a version control system
[17:51] <zgreg_> stuartm: they are never intuitive
[17:52] <Veryevil> designed and developed by linus
[17:52] <teh_orph> but they can be!
[17:52] <Cheery> stuartm: what's so hard in five commands, including 'help' ?
[17:52] <zgreg_> svn isn't one bit intuitive, either
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[17:52] <zgreg_> and the svn command line client is awful
[17:52] * IT_Sean is pretty sure that a version control system that was natural and easy to use would violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics and rip a hole in the space time continuum
[17:52] <stuartm> zgreg_: I disagree, the fact that most aren't intuitive doesn't mean they can't be, but they tend to be written by developers for developers and most developers have little clue about UIs and UX
[17:52] <IT_Sean> ... or something.
[17:52] <RITRedbeard> forget svn
[17:53] <RITRedbeard> we could just use dropbox
[17:53] <RITRedbeard> I mean
[17:53] <RITRedbeard> git
[17:53] <RITRedbeard> sorry
[17:53] <teh_orph> stuartm, totes agree
[17:53] <zgreg_> stuartm: no, the concepts aren't intuitive to begin with, so how can a tool for version control be?
[17:53] <Cheery> RITRedbeard: uhm?
[17:53] <Cheery> lol
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[17:54] <stuartm> zgreg_: heh, it can't possibly work so why bother trying?
[17:54] <stuartm> don't think the Pi would be here today if they'd taken that attitude :)
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[17:55] <RITRedbeard> does emacs have built in git macros?
[17:55] <RITRedbeard> that's why kids nowadays must like it
[17:55] <RITRedbeard> those emacs users
[17:55] <Cheery> uh..
[17:55] <Cheery> I'm vim user
[17:55] <zgreg_> stuartm: sure you can make it as easy as possible, but not intuitive
[17:55] <RITRedbeard> Don't lie.
[17:55] <chnopsx> it seems to me the few extra commands or concepts you need to understand for git are the natural result of it being a distributed vcs
[17:56] <stuartm> fwiw I'm not saying SVN is perfect, just that it does a better job than git at the interface
[17:56] <Cheery> and I use git add + git commit -m "message" + git push to send my work
[17:56] <chnopsx> also, I believe xcode works with git now
[17:56] <zgreg_> and git might be complex, but it's really powerful, and many operations are in fact much easier and less a hassle with it
[17:56] <zgreg_> for example, handling branches is a mess in svn
[17:56] <teh_orph> glad I stirred this up :-)
[17:56] <zgreg_> and I hate how merges squash commits together
[17:57] <RITRedbeard> distributed vcs is not optimal for certain tasks but honestly I'd rather take a siesta
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[17:57] <RITRedbeard> I'll leave exercise in pedantics to you guys.
[17:57] <zgreg_> anyway, mercurial is fine too, and even bazaar isn't so bad
[17:57] * RITRedbeard pops his collar.
[17:57] <zgreg_> but please no svn :3
[17:57] <chnopsx> I still have a bunch of stuff in svn, I haven't felt a huge need to move them over to git
[17:58] * RITRedbeard high fives mkopack
[17:58] <Cheery> RITRedbeard: it'd be cool to argue about something fun
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[17:58] <mkopack> RITRedbeard: ?
[17:58] <chnopsx> but for git is very suitable for certain development models
[17:58] <mkopack> What's that for?
[17:58] <stuartm> zgreg_: depends on your usage I guess, a lot of people actually prefer to squash because cluttering up a master branch with hundreds of commits including all the trial and error you get in most personal branches is counter productive
[17:58] <mkopack> You get it finally?
[17:58] <Cheery> oh and centralized version control and their advocates belong to stone age.
[17:58] <RITRedbeard> mkopack, this is how I feel about you every time we see eye to eye on something regarding Pi/technology: http://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/8256/82563382178b3c457762ad09e27e41c6b0cc67f.jpg
[17:58] <zgreg_> stuartm: you can still squash as needed if you want to
[17:58] <RITRedbeard> and yeah it's SFW
[17:59] <zgreg_> stuartm: but with svn there simply is no other option
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[17:59] <chnopsx> sfw or not, my IRC client displays linkes images inline :D
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[17:59] * chnopsx is living on the edge
[17:59] <mkopack> LOL
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[17:59] <Cheery> edge or ledge?
[17:59] <stephan48> is there a way to boot a pi via gpxe?
[18:00] <RITRedbeard> chnopsx, :)
[18:00] <stephan48> i would install gpxe on a sdcard and then network boot from a local server, could that work lets say with openelect/the debian image?
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[18:00] <zgreg_> I've also seen that people incorrectly merged (no svn:mergeinfo)
[18:00] <stuartm> zgreg_: I was under the impression that SVN 1.7 changed that, but I never got the chance to try it so I can't be sure
[18:00] <zgreg_> that simply isn't possible with git, or any other sane VCS for that matter
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[18:01] <RaYmAn> stephan48: step one - find out if there even is an ARM port of gpxe..
[18:01] <zgreg_> stuartm: that would be nice, but I stopped using svn after 1.5
[18:01] <noxywoxy_> Hi guys, need help figuring out which is the correct cable to buy. I want to hook up a pi to a LCD Screen via RCA , but also want to get audio going. Is the correct cable simply a 3.55 male to Red White RCA Male ?
[18:01] <kvarley> Where can I download the elf files for the pi?
[18:01] <zgreg_> kvarley: github.com/raspberrypi
[18:02] <kvarley> zgreg: thanks
[18:02] <IT_Sean> noxywoxy_: that'll do, but, you will need to use powered speakers.
[18:02] <noxywoxy_> Intending to use a PSone screen, whici i blieve comes with its own DC connector
[18:03] <RITRedbeard> there is also this chnopsx http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0809/aluminum-brits-dumb-spelling-demotivational-poster-1222113560.jpg
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[18:03] <noxywoxy_> Hmmmm now im thinking that may not work.. I better double check...
[18:03] <RITRedbeard> But the best guy ever is british
[18:03] <RITRedbeard> Take a guess.
[18:03] <RITRedbeard> (Tony Iommi was a close guess)
[18:04] <RITRedbeard> PROFESSOR CHARLES XAVIER
[18:04] <RITRedbeard> http://www.celebitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/firstclass1.jpg
[18:04] <noxywoxy_> Thank you for your answer IT_Sean , very excited to get my hands on a pi :)
[18:04] <Cheery> oh btw: http://194.71.107.80/
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[18:05] <Cheery> there was an IP ban to piratebay in finland
[18:05] <Cheery> apparently I can access it through that new IP now
[18:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> they have huundreds of new ip's
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[18:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/05/29/1330227/hundreds-of-ip-addresses-make-pirate-bay-a-hard-target
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[18:07] <Axman> My Pi shipped yesterday!
[18:08] <noxywoxy_> Me too Axman!
[18:08] <Cheery> flatulations you two!
[18:08] <Cheery> hu.
[18:08] <Cheery> uh
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> Congrats.
[18:08] <Cheery> *gratulations
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> May your SD card work better than mine.
[18:08] <Axman> heh
[18:08] <Cheery> so what are you going to do with your new pi?
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[18:09] <D34TH> noxywoxy the psone screen hash headphone jacks for sound or is it RCA
[18:09] <Axman> it's good timing, my final exam for me degree is the week after next I bvelieve
[18:09] <noxywoxy_> I think can use headphone jacks Death
[18:09] <noxywoxy_> Cheery I plan to use it to teach 8 year old brother eletronics
[18:09] <noxywoxy_> At least basic amount
[18:09] <D34TH> inb4 seedbox
[18:09] <noxywoxy_> when I was 8 , my grandfather taught me how to program on a BBC micro on his knee
[18:09] <noxywoxy_> it was simple stuff but got me into computers
[18:10] <noxywoxy_> Good memories
[18:10] <Cheery> noxywoxy_: indeed
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[18:10] <noxywoxy_> I've bought a bunch of stuff from http://www.rkeducation.co.uk/
[18:11] <noxywoxy_> The "masterplan" is that he is going to build a computer into his lunchbox for school
[18:11] <Axman> my first memory of programming was playing with LOGO on our Macintosh Plus (II I think)
[18:11] <noxywoxy_> just cutting out plastic.. mounting a screen there
[18:11] <Axman> uh, just Macintosh Plus (it's sitting on my desk right next to me as a speaker stand -_-)
[18:12] <Axman> also got a Mac Classic II as the other stand
[18:12] <noxywoxy_> Does anyone know of a usb touchpad that works with raspberry pi or a cheap usb trackerball the would recommend?
[18:12] <Cheery> I consider an idea of getting some training material and start a childrens club at local library.
[18:12] <noxywoxy_> We have a thing in ireland atm www.coderdojo.com , im not sure how good it is though
[18:12] <noxywoxy_> They wouldnt let me little brother go as he was "too young"
[18:13] <noxywoxy_> So I'm a little "screw you guys I'll do it myself" at the minute.
[18:13] <Hexxeh> qemu-arm version 1.0.93 (qemu-linaro from git), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard
[18:13] <Hexxeh> much better
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[18:15] <noxywoxy_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Bluetooth-Mini-Rii-Wireless-Keyboard-with-Touchpad-V2-0-For-Laptop-PC-UK-/251062217546?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item3a74796b4a <--- Anyone ever tried something like this with a Pi?
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[18:15] <Hexxeh> load average of 23, oh dear. that's what building cros 3 times simultaneously does apparently.
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[18:16] <mkopack> noxywoxy_: That thing is HIDEOUSLY small and nearly impossible to type on.
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> Should work fine noxywoxy_ - once you add a bluetooth dongle - and setup the blue stack
[18:17] <Cheery> also bluetooth
[18:17] <mkopack> I nearly bought one for my HTPC setup. but it's just too dang small to type on
[18:17] <Cheery> broken protocol
[18:17] <mkopack> You totally are thumbing it
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[18:17] <SpeedEvil> I dunno - in some cases, I can manage.
[18:17] <noxywoxy_> too small for an 8 year old though Mkopack?
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> I get up to 35wpm or so with my n900
[18:17] <mkopack> yes
[18:17] <noxywoxy_> hmmm maybe a small keyboard would be better then
[18:17] <mkopack> That whole thing is about the size of a largish Android phone
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> the touchpad looks really questionable.
[18:18] <mkopack> Like a big remote control
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[18:18] <noxywoxy_> yeah probaly too small then
[18:18] <noxywoxy_> I was thinking more .. slightly smaller than laptop size
[18:18] <nid0> if you're looking something trackpadded at a better size, take a look at a logitech k400
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Mouse-Control-/120648503621?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item1c17361145
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> That would almost work - but it's got a retarded layout
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[18:20] <noxywoxy_> Cool, thanks. Checking out other options
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[18:20] <noxywoxy_> I like that one speed evil
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[18:20] <noxywoxy_> the logitech k400 looks nice but would not fit / mount into a lunchbox
[18:20] <BenO> Has someone got bootc's i2c driver built for Arch? and willing to share? (I'm feeling very lazy)
[18:20] <mkopack> noxy: there's another one that I bought that uses an RF dongle that I use on my HTPC and it's ok, although the touchpad buttons are kinda blah??? It's just a little smaller than a laptop KB.. probably 80% size keys
[18:21] <noxywoxy_> Do you remember the name mkopack?
[18:21] <IT_Sean> it is HOT out
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[18:21] <SpeedEvil> Then there are the ones targeted at the Ipad
[18:21] <nid0> a http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0012NIYSO/ref=asc_df_B0012NIYSO8084525?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B0012NIYSO
[18:21] <nid0> would probably do for lunchbox size
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[18:22] <nid0> but its not exactly the cheapest of options
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[18:22] <SpeedEvil> I recommend - in general - amazon not ebay for this sort of stuff - as you can sort by reviews
[18:22] <noxywoxy_> Good point.
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[18:32] <mkopack> noxywoxy_: Let me see if I can find it. I bought it locally and it was a cheap brand
[18:32] <noxywoxy_> No rush. :)
[18:32] <noxywoxy_> I spent ??60 today on stuff for the Pi, didnt even get a case. I think I got Raspberry fever.
[18:33] <chris_99> what on earth did you buy, noxywoxy_
[18:33] <chris_99> for that price
[18:33] <mkopack> noxywoxy_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823372001
[18:33] <GabrialDestruir> Okay.... clearly I've either got the dumbest support at farnell, or they're just going to ask me if their "gesture of good faith" is suitable infinitely
[18:33] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
[18:33] <mkopack> The 2 buttons for the trackpad are kind crappy, and the keys are a little cramped, but it's relatively useable. and would be ok for a child
[18:34] <IT_Sean> GabrialDestruir: gesture of good faith?
[18:34] <GabrialDestruir> They keep claiming they'll "chargeback" 18 bucks
[18:34] <GabrialDestruir> and asking me if that's okay
[18:35] <GabrialDestruir> I grabbed something like that from like Bestbuy for 20 bucks, logitech.
[18:35] <IT_Sean> tell them it's not okay 'till you see the credit on your statment.
[18:35] <hotwings> so the day my rpi was supposed to ship by (5/29, today), they change the date to 6/12. not exactly surprised but cmon man.
[18:35] <mkopack> noxywoxy_: However, I do NOT know 100% if that'll work on the Rpi. I don't see why it wouldn't since it's not BT, but rather proprietary RF. The dongle just should appear as a USB KB/Mouse to the OS.
[18:36] <IT_Sean> Aye, if it's an RF device, it should show up as a normal keyboard.
[18:36] <noxywoxy_> 32GB Class 10 SD Card Chris_99 , 26 Way Ribbon Cable Assembly for Raspberry PI, SCR/Thyristor 2N5060 Steady Hand Game Self Build Kit, RKPTmdc Prototype PCB for Raspberry PI Self Build Kit . Some cables HDMI to DVI converters , "Eletronics Starter kit"
[18:36] <IT_Sean> If it's a really fancy one, some of the more unusual buttons may not work, but...
[18:37] <noxywoxy_> That looks ideal mko
[18:37] <GabrialDestruir> My logitech one works fine, except for like the "home button"
[18:37] <noxywoxy_> Could shave some space off by cutting it up too
[18:37] <GabrialDestruir> pretty sure the volume and stuff still works.
[18:38] <mkopack> noxy: well, you can't cut too much because the top is where the battery compartment is??? (2 AAA)
[18:38] <noxywoxy_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RKPTmdc-Prototype-PCB-for-Raspberry-PI-Self-Build-Kit-/120915820727?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item1c272500b7 <--- I bought this, No idea what to do with it yet
[18:38] <beardface> hotwings: Same here.
[18:38] <GabrialDestruir> and the weird and rather pointless "right click button"
[18:38] <beardface> I am sick of this crap; just send me the pi already, or stop changing the date
[18:38] <beardface> they already sent me an email and told me to pay, last week, which i did
[18:38] <beardface> i figured that meant it would be shipped
[18:38] <beardface> now its backordered again
[18:38] <beardface> wtf
[18:40] <noxywoxy_> I think a good start would be to just have him programming LEDs to turn on and off, maybe a little 3 x 3 grid
[18:40] <noxywoxy_> do some loops to make patterns etc
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[18:40] <GabrialDestruir> I swear if I get another email saying "is it suitable" I'm just gonna tell them to keep the damn money -.-
[18:41] <IT_Sean> How much did you pay for the Pi?
[18:41] <IT_Sean> And do you have it already?
[18:41] <GabrialDestruir> Yea so I suppose it doesn't matter one way or another.
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[18:43] <Hexxeh> new qemu binaries seem to be letting it push past that memory limit
[18:43] <Hexxeh> at 2.5GB used now
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[18:46] <Hexxeh> 3GB. despite the fact i don't even think there's any ARM devices out there with this much memory?
[18:47] <Hexxeh> actually, crap. chrome needs more than 4GB to link a debug build, and ARM is only 32-bit, it'll run out of address space...
[18:50] <mjr> IIRC there are dev boards with room for 4 gigabytes
[18:50] <Hexxeh> got a link?
[18:50] <Hexxeh> i've never heard of one...
[18:50] <Hexxeh> i'd have thought the max was about 2GB?
[18:51] <mjr> not sure, it might've been 2
[18:52] <mjr> somebody else had it, anyway
[18:52] <mjr> I don't remember
[18:52] <mjr> it was a proper motherboard though
[18:52] <GabrialDestruir> Well I finished my dynamic motd and now I'm bored .-.
[18:53] <Hexxeh> apparently HPs new ARM-based servers have 4GB
[18:53] <Hexxeh> but i don't think they're available yet
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[19:01] <gordonDrogon_> I really fancy a server with ARM(s) on-board. A lot of data centres are getting really twitchy about power usage.
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[19:02] <gordonDrogon_> then again, "enterprise" grade disks are still quite power hungry, but they're in the low 10's of watts vs. the 100's for big multi core cpus...
[19:02] <Thorn_> i want a server with arms *and* legs, it can finally serve me in person.
[19:02] <gordonDrogon_> hoho... :)
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[19:04] <GabrialDestruir> Robotic Server with it's OS served from a server? >.>
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[19:09] <zgreg_> modern x86 CPUs aren't necessarily so power-hungry anymore
[19:09] <zgreg_> both intel and amd have some pretty interesting low-power offers
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[19:11] <markus> Is there any difference between SD, SDHC and SDXH from the pi's point of view?
[19:11] <markus> some cards work, others don't. i guess?
[19:12] <IT_Sean> as a general rule, the less fancy the SD card is, the more chance of it working in the Pi.
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[19:12] <GabrialDestruir> SDXH?
[19:12] <markus> I'm thinking of buying a fast 40MB+/s SDHC/SDXH card which I can use for other stuff than just the pi
[19:12] <GabrialDestruir> Is the Pi even capable?
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[19:12] <hotwings> i expect my sandisk extreme iii's to work and theyre pretty fancy class 6
[19:12] <markus> I mean SDXC.
[19:13] <hotwings> the rpi only has an sd[hc] reader
[19:13] <IT_Sean> markus: you have a better chance of slower cards working. Class 10 cards, for instance, may not work at all in a Pi, and even if they do, are not going to see any benefit over other types of cards.
[19:13] <GabrialDestruir> Well still, is the pi even XC capable?
[19:13] <GabrialDestruir> Ah, so no XC then.
[19:13] <IT_Sean> yeah, no.
[19:14] <IT_Sean> just get a basic SD card.
[19:14] <GabrialDestruir> That kind of sucks.... it'd be kind of cool to have a 2TB XC on Pi
[19:14] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[19:14] <markus> IT_Sean: yes buy i'm planning to buy one for my laptop. so it would be good if it worked on the pi as well
[19:14] <IT_Sean> besides, once you set it up for the Pi, you won't really want ot use it for "other stuff" as that would mean reformatting it.
[19:14] <markus> even though it wouldn't be as fast
[19:14] <nid0> I was under the impression that pretty much any sdhc host would recognise sdxc
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[19:15] <markus> nid0: that's what i wanted to know. isn't it just some internal change in architecture that makes it faster and adds support for more GB:s
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[19:16] <IT_Sean> markus: keep in mind that the SD card is what contains the Pi's OS. So, you aren't going to be moving it between a load of devices, as once it is set up, it'll really only work in the Pi (ie. it won't work in your camera, or your MP3 plater, etc...)
[19:16] <nid0> theres no "faster", hc/xc relates purely to capacity
[19:16] <GabrialDestruir> Conversely, SDHC host devices will accept SDXC cards that follow Version 3.0, since the interface is identical
[19:16] <GabrialDestruir> according to wiki
[19:17] <markus> IT_Sean: i can have several partition.
[19:17] <markus> GabrialDestruir: thanks
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[19:18] <hotwings> SDXC cards and host devices:
[19:18] <hotwings> - SDXC memory cards can ONLY be used with SDXC host devices. Look for the SDXC logo on the host device to ensure compatibility.
[19:18] <hotwings> - SDXC memory cards will NOT work with SD/SDHC host devices.
[19:18] <hotwings>
[19:18] <hotwings> Host device compatibility with memory cards:
[19:18] <hotwings> - SDXC host devices can use and support SD, SDHC, and SDXC memory cards.
[19:18] <hotwings> - SDHC host devices can use and support both SD and SDHC memory cards.
[19:18] <hotwings>
[19:18] <hotwings> - SD host devices can only use and support SD memory cards.
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[19:19] <gordonDrogon_> home time :)
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[19:19] <IT_Sean> ^ there you go.
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[19:20] <hotwings> can also read: https://www.sdcard.org/consumers/sdxc_capabilities/using_sdxc/
[19:21] <IT_Sean> markus: i can tell you right now that a lot of embedded devices (cameras, MP3 players, etc...) will not take kindly to your partitioning scheme.
[19:21] <markus> IT_Sean: i intend to use it in a laptop
[19:22] <IT_Sean> What for?
[19:22] <GabrialDestruir> according to the sandisk website: SDXC cards will work in SDHC compatible readers (not SD readers) if the computer OS supports exFAT
[19:23] <markus> i'm not sure if it's possible. but install an os on it and boot from it
[19:23] <markus> i can try with a slower card that i have
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[19:24] <markus> my harddrive is really slow and it would also be convenient to have it on a small sd card.
[19:25] <IT_Sean> i don't think the SD card will be any faster, even IF your laptop's SD card slot is even a bootable device.
[19:26] <markus> the kernel can reside on the harddrive can't it ?
[19:26] <markus> i can boot from the harddrive, have the bootloader on it. then pass control to the card
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[19:27] <markus> i don't know how fast it will be
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[19:28] <GabrialDestruir> Well if his computer can USB boot
[19:28] <hotwings> GabrialDestruir - maybe it would work with a size limit regardless of card size but according to the sd association, sdxc cards will not work in sdhc hosts
[19:28] <hotwings> see the link i pasted above
[19:28] <GabrialDestruir> chances are the sdcard slot would be bootable
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[19:29] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
[19:30] <GabrialDestruir> They will work with sdhc hosts if the host is exfat compatible
[19:30] <GabrialDestruir> at the very least sandisk SDXC cards will
[19:32] <GabrialDestruir> Because SDXC uses a different file system called exFAT and it works differently than standard SD cards, this new format is NOT backwards compatible with host devices that only take SD (128MB to 2GB). Most host devices built after 2010 should be SDXC compatible. To ensure compatibility, look for the SDXC logo on cards and host devices (cameras, camcorders, etc.). NOTE: Internal card readers on laptops from 2008 and prior may NOT support SDXC c
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[19:33] <hotwings> if you would have read the link to the sd association that i pasted, you would see they say the sdxc logo should be present on the host device for sdxc to work.
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[19:33] <RITRedbeard> SEND BACK THE PIs
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[19:33] <RITRedbeard> TO FIX THE LABELS!
[19:33] <friggle> mkopack: did you take a look at http://code.google.com/p/yaml-cpp/issues/detail?id=116
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[19:34] <Hexxeh> is gold just faster, or does it use less memory too?
[19:34] <GabrialDestruir> For devices like cameras
[19:34] <friggle> Hexxeh: in my experience both
[19:34] <Hexxeh> awesome
[19:35] <mkopack> friggle: Nope, didn't see that. But that won't help me. I need it built for Raspbian, not the base debian softfp build
[19:35] <hotwings> GabrialDestruir - cameras dont use special camera-sd-readerzs
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[19:35] <hotwings> -z
[19:36] <friggle> mkopack: right, but if the debian packaging works you can build it within raspbian natively
[19:36] <mkopack> ?
[19:36] <mkopack> I'm sure it CAN be built. I just don't get HOW to build it. CMake just gives me a screen of errors when I try
[19:36] <mkopack> and I don't know WTF I'm doing with CMake
[19:36] <mkopack> I'll have to post my error output when I get home tonight
[19:37] <friggle> mkopack: right, I'm saying if the person who posted debian.tar.gz did their job properly you can use e.g. dpkg-buildpackage to build it using the script they've included
[19:37] <mkopack> Oh...
[19:38] <mkopack> Hmm.. ok, I'll have to give that a try tonight then
[19:38] <mkopack> thanks
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[19:38] <IT_Sean> !w
[19:38] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton, NJ on Tue May 29 20:53:00 2012. Temp 90??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 54%, Later 86??F - 70??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[19:38] <IT_Sean> :|
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[19:41] <GabrialDestruir> Not gonna argue with you about it, the only time that page really mentions PCs and when it says "do not format" the entire rest of the page is clearly talking about such devices as Cameras and such.
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[19:44] <hotwings> i guess wikipedia disagrees with what the sd association themselves have to say. i guess if anyone wants to find out first-hand, they can fork out the $60+ and cross their fingers
[19:46] <markus> SDHC is enough. it's up to 32GB. Who could possibly use more than that?
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[19:47] <hotwings> i wouldnt mind replacing the microdrive in my camcorder with sdhc, if its possible
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[19:47] <hotwings> err, sdxc rather
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[20:03] <GabrialDestruir> Seems like my lego case calculations were off -.-
[20:05] <GabrialDestruir> Oh guess it would help if I put the right things in the right places xD
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[20:10] <hotwings> GabrialDestruir - im thinking about making a case out of cardboard :)
[20:11] <kvarley> Reckon this image (http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/slitaz-arm) will work on the RPi?
[20:12] <ShiftPlusOne> should... make sure you copy /opt/vc and modules over.
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[20:13] <kvarley> ShiftPlusOne: Not entirely sure how to extract the filesystem from the image
[20:13] <ShiftPlusOne> It's an excellent lightweight distro, so good find.
[20:13] <kvarley> Tried dd with output to my SD and it corrupts it giving bad superblock error
[20:14] <kvarley> ShiftPlusOne: Been watching the project for nearly as long as the RPi =]
[20:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I've got to go to work, but I am sure someone will help you out. Basically mount the img file first, then extract the files from it
[20:14] <kvarley> ShiftPlusOne: Yeah - loop mount right? Thanks, cya
[20:14] <ShiftPlusOne> mount -o loop slitaz-arm.img /where/you/want
[20:14] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
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[20:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> I rejoined the room!
[20:17] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: Hey, did you get the new qemu go?
[20:18] <Hexxeh> yeah
[20:18] <Hexxeh> it ran out of memory linking... :P
[20:18] <Veryevil> did it use all 16gig this time?
[20:18] <Hexxeh> nope, it's emulating a 32-bit environment, remember?
[20:18] <Veryevil> crap
[20:18] <Veryevil> yeah
[20:18] <Hexxeh> so when it gets to about 4GB, it'll be unable to allocate anymore
[20:18] <Veryevil> stuck with 3 then
[20:18] <Hexxeh> exhausted address space
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[20:19] <Hexxeh> i'm trying to fix linking in the host env
[20:19] <Hexxeh> with the cross compiler
[20:19] <Veryevil> can you not creat a ram drive and then mount it as swap?
[20:19] <Hexxeh> "../../third_party/gold/gold64: error: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory"
[20:19] <Hexxeh> no
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[20:20] <Veryevil> so your trying to cross compile it now then
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[20:20] <Veryevil> good luck with that
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[20:23] <GabrialDestruir> Done ^_^
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[20:25] <GabrialDestruir> Only 5 pieces I didn't need... not bad.
[20:27] <tech2077> finally figured out the limits of raspberrypi + xbmc
[20:27] <GabrialDestruir> Oh?
[20:27] <tech2077> 1080p with stereo AAC with subtitles
[20:27] <GabrialDestruir> Ah... that might do it.
[20:28] <tech2077> i should have thrown more money are my screen at launch
[20:28] <kvarley> ShiftPlusOne: Gonna attempt to build this for the RPI since I can't extract the img http://hg.slitaz.org/slitaz-arm/
[20:28] <GabrialDestruir> Though by default I think sound is set for passthrough, let the receiver decode the sound...
[20:29] <tech2077> the sound is fine
[20:29] <tech2077> but the subs are inconsistent, not present a lot, and the video stutters at times
[20:29] <GabrialDestruir> Hm.
[20:29] <tech2077> leading it it being un-viewable
[20:30] <GabrialDestruir> Cause what I noticed is it'd do 720p fine, aac (passthrough), subtitles fine
[20:30] <GabrialDestruir> But when I tried to decode the sound on the pi it'd stop every 10-15 seconds to decode the next bit of audio
[20:30] <tech2077> how do you set passthrough
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[20:30] <tech2077> not used to xbmc
[20:31] <GabrialDestruir> I think it's done by default.
[20:31] <GabrialDestruir> Go to Settings > System > Audio
[20:31] <GabrialDestruir> At least I think it's there
[20:31] <tech2077> i also get a slight buzzing when playing some videos
[20:31] <GabrialDestruir> and you should see a couple options for AAC and DST
[20:32] <_av500_> xbmc on pi can do passthrough?
[20:32] <GabrialDestruir> There's an option where it doesn't touch the audio stream, yea.
[20:33] <BenO> tech2077, buzzing? are you using the analog jack or hdmi audio?
[20:33] <tech2077> hdmi
[20:33] <BenO> tech2077, Ah sorry - not sure what that could be then
[20:33] <IT_Sean> speakers built into your TV, or external?
[20:34] <tech2077> built in
[20:34] <tech2077> also, no audio option under settings :/
[20:34] <IT_Sean> is the buzzing constant, or only when the raspi is on?
[20:34] <tech2077> only when video
[20:34] <IT_Sean> weeeeihd
[20:34] * IT_Sean has no idea then
[20:34] <tech2077> on menus it's not present
[20:35] <GabrialDestruir> Settings
[20:35] <GabrialDestruir> System
[20:36] <GabrialDestruir> It's the second from the buttom
[20:36] <GabrialDestruir> or is the bottom
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[20:36] <tech2077> let me check again
[20:36] <hotwings> tech2077 - and if you turn off the subtitles, your 1080p sample plays fine?
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[20:37] <_av500_> are subs rendered into a separate texture?
[20:37] <_av500_> or overlaid into each video frame?
[20:38] <tech2077> nope
[20:38] <tech2077> no audio settings option
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[20:39] <GabrialDestruir> Odd....
[20:40] <zgreg_> it might be just what I suspected - subtitles can be quite expensive to render
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[20:40] <hotwings> yup, exactly
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[20:40] <_av500_> but xbmc can render a ui on top of video?
[20:41] <_av500_> so subs in that same layer should work fine
[20:41] <IT_Sean> I know xbmc can. If it works on a raspi, i dunno.
[20:41] <GabrialDestruir> xbmc can't render ui on top of video
[20:41] <GabrialDestruir> not on raspi
[20:41] * IT_Sean has xbmc running on a 1st gen Apple TV
[20:41] <tech2077> GabrialDestruir, yes it can
[20:41] <BenO> Is xmbc only using the one render layer on the video core then?
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[20:42] <GabrialDestruir> If you use the UI while a video is playing, it slows to a stutter
[20:42] <GabrialDestruir> the audio/video sync gets thrown off, and the entire video becomes unwatchable
[20:42] <tech2077> and i found an audio output menu digging deeper
[20:42] <GabrialDestruir> Unless they've made updates
[20:42] <_av500_> ic
[20:42] <_av500_> so same issue as subs
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[20:43] <GabrialDestruir> I can only imagine it's because he's trying to use subs on 1080 cause on 720 they work fine.
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[20:44] <_av500_> i hope is does not involve a full memcpy of a 1080p frame...
[20:44] <_av500_> the sub area itself should be rather small
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[20:46] <hotwings> properly use of surfaces please ;)
[20:46] <tech2077> video is playing better without subs
[20:46] <tech2077> but that doesn't help me...
[20:46] <IT_Sean> why do you need subtitles?
[20:47] <tech2077> i don't know japanese
[20:47] <hotwings> lol
[20:47] <mkopack> Because he got the video off of bit torrent :)
[20:47] <IT_Sean> erft.
[20:47] <IT_Sean> bloody japanimation.
[20:47] <GabrialDestruir> Stop watching your anime in 1080
[20:47] <tech2077> heh
[20:47] <GabrialDestruir> It looks just as good in 720 :p
[20:47] <tech2077> this is the only one in 1080
[20:47] <IT_Sean> you mean "looks just as bad", right?
[20:48] <hotwings> quit knocking him to testing to see where the rpi limit is :\
[20:48] <hotwings> *for
[20:48] <tech2077> so subtitles are the limit
[20:48] <hotwings> that could just be bad implementation though
[20:48] <GabrialDestruir> Subtitles on 1080 video
[20:48] <tech2077> yes
[20:49] <mkopack> I'm betting the subtitles are done via OpenGL normally, but since that's not in place it's having to do it via CPU overlays
[20:49] <mjr> kekkai desu
[20:49] <zgreg_> rendering ssa/ass subtitles can be VERY demanding
[20:49] <GabrialDestruir> The entire XBMC GUI should be done via the GPU but it isn't.
[20:50] <GabrialDestruir> or if it is, it's done poorly
[20:50] <mjr> genkai desu
[20:50] <zgreg_> GabrialDestruir: it's done with the GUI, except for some parts of rendering
[20:51] <zgreg_> not everything graphics is a good fit for a GPU
[20:51] <tech2077> yep, turning them on and off during video, video starts stuttering the moment they are on
[20:51] <kvarley> The XBMC menus are fine
[20:51] <zgreg_> GabrialDestruir: err, s/GUI/GPU/
[20:51] <GabrialDestruir> The XBMC menus are fine, unless a video is playing.
[20:51] <GabrialDestruir> Then they aren't
[20:51] <mkopack> Right because the menus are CPU rendered right now
[20:52] <zgreg_> mkopack: what do you mean with that exactly?
[20:52] <mkopack> zgreg_: My understanding is that the menus in XBMC are not getting to take advantage of GPU acceleration, so the CPU is having to do the work to render them.
[20:53] <zgreg_> no, the menus are using opengl es
[20:53] <zgreg_> without that, it would be completely unusuable
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[20:53] <mkopack> I didn't think that had been implemented/supported yet
[20:53] <zgreg_> as in, you'd get seconds-per-frame performance
[20:55] <GabrialDestruir> OpenELEC is suppose to be working on it, they've been messing with stuff that's suppose to make it faster and what not.
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[20:56] <Habbie> openelec runs pretty decently
[20:56] <Habbie> i even got some 720p out of it
[20:56] <Habbie> total fail for the 1080p i tried
[20:56] <Habbie> but they're certainly off to a very decent start
[20:56] <GabrialDestruir> Yes it does. But they still haven't fixed menu rendering over video
[20:56] <Habbie> that worked for me on 480p
[20:56] <Habbie> without glitches
[20:56] <kvarley> Habbie: Have you tried the latest build?
[20:56] <GabrialDestruir> Agreed, they are.
[20:56] <Habbie> kvarley, may 17th i think
[20:56] <kvarley> Habbie: It got much better on the 20th May release
[20:56] <Habbie> yes, may 17th
[20:56] <Habbie> ah
[20:56] <kvarley> I mean MUCH MUCH MUCH better
[20:57] <GabrialDestruir> Last build I tried was like May 20th
[20:57] <kvarley> May 20th is a brill release
[20:57] <Habbie> ah
[20:57] <Habbie> http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/ has 28th may now
[20:57] <Habbie> it only had 17 when i checked last
[20:57] <Habbie> thanks for the tip, kvarley
[20:57] <zgreg_> well, I wonder what the bottleneck is, then
[20:57] <kvarley> I have had 720p x264 and AAC playing in the background fine on OpenELEC
[20:57] <GabrialDestruir> I'm thinking it's the CPU rendering.
[20:57] <GabrialDestruir> it doesn't do a good job of it.
[20:58] <GabrialDestruir> unless there's literally nothing else going on
[20:58] <kvarley> Habbie: Np, you can grab the binaries from http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
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[20:58] <Habbie> kvarley, ah - but won't the 27th may build be even better? :)
[20:58] <kvarley> Habbie: Ooops
[20:59] <GabrialDestruir> May 28th was yesterday... wonder if it's better than the 20th...
[20:59] <Habbie> eh, 28th
[20:59] <kvarley> Forgot to upload the release
[20:59] <Habbie> ah
[20:59] <zgreg_> XBMC definitely uses opengl es where it makes sense (blending mostly)
[20:59] <zgreg_> that the implementation might not be ideal is one thing, but that doesn't mean it's falling back to software in some way
[20:59] <GabrialDestruir> I remember srau e saying that it was even faster or something
[21:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: seems the -b test operator likes to fail in Menu.sh
[21:00] <zgreg_> is there a separate development branch for raspberry pi support somewhere?
[21:01] <GabrialDestruir> How so?
[21:01] <Habbie> i wish the debian raspi image had a 128meg /boot
[21:02] <Habbie> would have made installing openelec so much easier
[21:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Habbie: resize it?
[21:02] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[21:02] <Habbie> Gadgetoid_Air, i have nothing to do that with
[21:02] <n17ikh> well, I was in here complaining about how e14 had pushed the shipping date of my pi back another two weeks.. and then I got a tracking number
[21:02] <Habbie> apart from booting gparted live on my mac ;)
[21:02] <GabrialDestruir> Did anyone get OpenELEC working with the XECLoader?
[21:02] <Habbie> Gadgetoid_Air, what is the xecloader? do you have an url? google couldn't find it for me
[21:03] <GabrialDestruir> It's a alpha multiboot for Pi
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[21:03] <Habbie> sounds useful
[21:03] <Habbie> although i just ordered a stack of SDs ;)
[21:03] <GabrialDestruir> alpha because the kernels haven't been updated, or hadn't, don't know about now.
[21:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Habbie: I don't have the link, sorry, I didn't note it down :D
[21:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> Will scroll up and see if it's still in my buffer
[21:04] <GabrialDestruir> It's in the logs
[21:04] <GabrialDestruir> grab the link from the topic and search them for XECLoader
[21:04] <GabrialDestruir> you're bound to find it.
[21:05] <Habbie> ok
[21:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: good protip!
[21:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> You're going to find it anyway: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/175702/XECLoader.tar.gz
[21:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> I knew what date it was on, kinda helps :D
[21:06] <GabrialDestruir> My Pi finally has a proper case xD
[21:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> Just don't nag ShiftPlusOne for help, or he might strike me down with furious anger
[21:06] <GabrialDestruir> and now I have an extra second case .-.
[21:06] <Habbie> GabrialDestruir, found it
[21:06] <Habbie> GabrialDestruir, ah :)
[21:06] <anish> what does this button do http://www.shapeways.com/model/486757/raspberry-pi-case-led-lightguides-1-0rc1.html ?
[21:07] <anish> is it supposed to go between the case & the pi ?
[21:07] <Habbie> probably
[21:07] <GabrialDestruir> Eh don't feel bad Gadgetoid_Air, I did the same thing xD
[21:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> Habbie: beware: it doesn't like kernels with the first32kb in them
[21:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: I just don't like spreading it when it's not ready for prime time :D
[21:07] <hotwings> well ill be damned.. i read your msg n17ikh, checked my email, and sure enough i got a UPS tracking # too
[21:07] <Habbie> Gadgetoid_Air, ah, it uses kexec, which is not stable yet, right
[21:07] <mkopack> anish: That sits on top of the status lights on the RPi and the short ends stick through the case??? causes the light from the LEDS to be "guided" up so they show through the case in the right holes
[21:07] <mkopack> It's not a button
[21:07] <anish> aah
[21:07] <hotwings> but i see a charge for $57 on my visa from newark.. wtf.. :\
[21:07] <anish> the size was misleading
[21:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> Habbie: works pretty damned well for me, though , although I'm currently working on making a more robust, self-checking startup menu
[21:08] <GabrialDestruir> Well the more people that are working on it, the faster it'll get straightened out for prime time :p
[21:08] <mkopack> hotwings: why so much? Mine was only like $42
[21:08] <mkopack> did you order some extra stuff with it?
[21:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: truth, it needs to be GitHub'd so I can submit my ideas for approval :D
[21:08] <hotwings> nope
[21:08] <Habbie> Gadgetoid_Air, without wanting to diss his work, i don't feel loading a whole kernel just to execute a shellscript to be able to do multiboot is the cleanest approach ;)
[21:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> Habbie: you're correct
[21:09] <Habbie> but having this is better than having nothing :)
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[21:09] <GabrialDestruir> It's effective though.
[21:09] <Habbie> i bet
[21:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> The Pi is a bit short of grub at the moment :D
[21:09] <Habbie> how long does a boot into the menu take?
[21:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> Habbie: effectively no time
[21:09] <Habbie> neat
[21:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's very quick
[21:09] <Habbie> probably a custom kernel
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> lilo ftw :)
[21:10] <IT_Sean> so, you are mooting multiple OSes off the same SD card?
[21:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> The menu then times out after X sec
[21:10] <GabrialDestruir> I wish the menu was a bit more grub like.
[21:10] <Habbie> GabrialDestruir, it's a shellscript, i'm sure you can fix that :)
[21:10] <Habbie> just stick dialog next to it
[21:11] <GabrialDestruir> You have a list of all the OS instead of just the default and if you mess with the arrows it cancels out the timer.
[21:11] <Habbie> oh - it's dialog already
[21:11] <GabrialDestruir> I'm waiting for the kernel bit to be straightened out.
[21:11] <IT_Sean> Sounds pretty grub-esque to me
[21:11] <GabrialDestruir> As it is you have to cancel out to get a list of OS
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[21:17] <hotwings> so i would love to know how a $35 rpi + $5 UPS shipping somehow = $57 charged to my visa..... ridiculous
[21:18] <mkopack> Yeah, that's weird
[21:18] <mkopack> Unless they somehow went and charged you that $20 in lieu of the $5 shipping?
[21:18] <mkopack> Or some really crazy amount of sales tax?
[21:18] <hotwings> i just emailed them but i think ill call.. dont feel like waiting around for a response by email
[21:18] <IT_Sean> tax?
[21:18] <IT_Sean> duty?
[21:18] <hotwings> no way
[21:19] <hotwings> tax here is 9%
[21:19] <IT_Sean> where is "here"?
[21:19] <IT_Sean> and what about import duty? does that apply to wherever you are?
[21:20] <friggle> what's the RS website they point you to to redeem your code?
[21:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'd like the timeout to stop when an arrow key is pressed, GabrialDestruir
[21:20] <GabrialDestruir> You ordered from newark?
[21:20] <mkopack> Ok, so $35, that should only be about $3 sales tax, + $5 shipping = $8 + $35 = $43??? SO right about what mine was
[21:20] <GabrialDestruir> Or farnell?
[21:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> At the moment it's a bit awkward to hit cancel, as it's more than one keypress
[21:20] <GabrialDestruir> Yea that's how I feel Gadgetoid
[21:21] <GabrialDestruir> idk what to do with my Pi now... lol
[21:21] <GabrialDestruir> I got it setup with Public Key Auth, and a dynamic MOTD and my brain just has no new ideas xD
[21:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: and on top of that I want to be able to pick the default OS before rebooting- which is why I write a number to default.txt and load it into Menu.sh as the default choice
[21:22] <zgreg_> I wish I already had my raspberry pi
[21:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: install more OS, quintuple boot!
[21:22] <zgreg_> farnell promised to deliver in the "week commencing" 21st may
[21:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've just set aside 10gb for Raspbian, about to pull down the image now
[21:22] <GabrialDestruir> INSTALL ALL THE OS!
[21:22] <zgreg_> now we're well into the week after that, and nothing
[21:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, pisces image is a little bloaty :D
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[21:24] <GabrialDestruir> idk
[21:24] <GabrialDestruir> I like it
[21:24] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[21:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hm, hexxeh's has X and LXDE in too, ugh
[21:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'd bootstrap my own from the repos if I knew what the hell I was doing :D
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[21:25] <GabrialDestruir> It's not that hard....
[21:26] <GabrialDestruir> Strip/add whatever you want....
[21:26] <GabrialDestruir> clear all the right files.
[21:26] <hotwings> what the.. ok they said my invoice shows $43 and to call back if the charge doesnt fix itself. O_O
[21:26] <GabrialDestruir> dd to img
[21:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> I just want to pull it right into my fresh partition, an img is of little use to me... but it'll suffice
[21:26] <BenO> GabrialDestruir, I've got one set up as a webcam host, watching the birdfeeder. Need to build a kernel with i2c and uvc modules in, so I can use an accelerometer on the feeder to track comings and goings
[21:26] <mkopack> hotwings: Damn, now you have me wondering. Gonna go check my CC statement...
[21:27] <hotwings> couldnt hurt
[21:28] <mkopack> hotwings: $42.40
[21:28] <D34TH> BenO why not a pressure sensor
[21:28] <GabrialDestruir> I was thinking.... for the cost of a pi and a few accessories....
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[21:29] <GabrialDestruir> You could build the perfect spy gadget xD
[21:29] <BenO> D34TH, I've not got one sensitive enough for that, but I do have an accelerometer already on a breakout board :)
[21:29] <GabrialDestruir> Battery + storage + microphone and/or camera
[21:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> speaking of Pi accessories cost... they're usually an order of magnitude more than the Pi, d'oh :D
[21:30] <GabrialDestruir> Depending on what you get as an accessory
[21:30] <GabrialDestruir> sure
[21:32] <D34TH> im mad
[21:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> All the electrical gubbins I want are going to blow the Pi cost out of the water :( darnit
[21:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> D34TH: Mad as hell and you're not going to take it any more?
[21:32] <D34TH> i gave my friend access to my box and he put cat /dev/urandom > /dev/tty0
[21:32] <D34TH> DONT DO IT
[21:32] <D34TH> all that spam
[21:32] <D34TH> cant even type
[21:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> D34TH: Hahaha, trol'd :D
[21:33] <hotwings> mkopack - i guess ill just wait for the visa magic to happen! lol
[21:33] <mkopack> hehe
[21:33] <D34TH> i took away his ability to execute
[21:33] <D34TH> cant run any commands now
[21:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> I salute your friend :) but I feel your pain
[21:33] <D34TH> lol
[21:33] <D34TH> it was easy enough to kill
[21:33] <D34TH> had to ssh in
[21:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Get shell nyancat and constantly spawn it into his sessions
[21:34] <D34TH> im fine with spamming PuTTY
[21:34] <D34TH> so he gets beeped
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[21:34] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[21:34] <IT_Sean> that's pretty evil.
[21:34] <IT_Sean> I like it.
[21:35] <GabrialDestruir> I could see that now, everytime he Sudo'd you get nyancat to ask in nyan language what his password is xD
[21:35] <GabrialDestruir> or w/e
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[21:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder if the nyancat telnet server still works
[21:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yay! telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu
[21:36] <GabrialDestruir> wouldn't surprise me if it does
[21:36] <GabrialDestruir> The starwars telnet server still works
[21:37] <D34TH> all i see is white yellow and blue
[21:37] <D34TH> D:
[21:37] <GabrialDestruir> I can't log out!
[21:37] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[21:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Me either... derp
[21:37] <D34TH> i did
[21:38] <GabrialDestruir> That'd be a great way to screw with something....
[21:38] <D34TH> yeay
[21:38] <GabrialDestruir> Have that show up everytime they log on? xD
[21:38] <D34TH> putty can display all colors
[21:39] <Habbie> has anyone actually paid Farnell for a delivered Pi yet?
[21:39] <GabrialDestruir> I have
[21:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> sudo losetup /dev/loop0 raspbian-r3.img then RSYNC ALL THE FILES :D
[21:40] <GabrialDestruir> ethernet is screwed up on that one
[21:40] <GabrialDestruir> you have to modify /etc/udev/rules.d/70somethingoranother
[21:40] <Habbie> ohh
[21:40] <Habbie> hardfloat in raspbian
[21:41] <mkopack> Habbie: Yup and so far I'm quite happy with it
[21:41] <GabrialDestruir> Once you echo that file empty and reboot it'll work though
[21:41] <Habbie> mkopack, cool
[21:41] <Habbie> mkopack, does it feel faster?
[21:42] <mkopack> a bit??? especially when running anything that does FP stuff
[21:42] <Habbie> of course - i'm wondering how much it helps for normal stuff like webbrowsing :)
[21:42] <GabrialDestruir> Oh yea, Gadgetoid_Air, I found an image thing, which compares like Ruby vs PHP vs Python
[21:43] <GabrialDestruir> and it seemed to indicate that Ruby was faster than Php
[21:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: lies!
[21:43] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.readwriteweb.com/files/files/hack/assets_c/2012/01/PROGRAMMING-LANGUAGE-3-620x3450-thumb-590x3283-38046.png
[21:44] <Byan> hey look at that
[21:44] <Byan> my RPI finally shipped
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[21:45] <GabrialDestruir> At the bottom, it says PHP takes less lines of code, but Ruby runs less time than php
[21:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: they make no mention of what benchmark methods they used, it's a pretty graphic but not much more :D
[21:45] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[21:45] <mkopack> Yeah, and take that all you Java haters!
[21:45] <GabrialDestruir> True
[21:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> Either way, fast isn't much of an issue when you can throw hardware at the problem
[21:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> And Ruby lends itself better to parallelism than PHP... although that's more to do with the community/architecture built up around it than the bare language itself
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[21:47] <mkopack> Ah, never mind, that's not the link I thought it was
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[21:47] <GabrialDestruir> Fair enough
[21:47] <GabrialDestruir> anywho
[21:47] <GabrialDestruir> naptime
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[21:48] <mkopack> There was some link posted here back in like Feb or March that let you do comparisons of one language vs another for various benchmarks, compared runtime, memory + code space required for each
[21:48] <Matt> I remember that
[21:48] <Matt> it was intresting
[21:48] <Habbie> debian alioth
[21:48] <Habbie> http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/
[21:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> Night GabrialDestruir
[21:50] <mkopack> Yeahm think it was a variation on that one
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[21:50] <mkopack> Basically Java ended up performing a LOT faster than languages like PHP and Perl and Python and Ruby
[21:50] <mkopack> Not all that much slower than C or C++
[21:50] <Habbie> java's bad reputation is pretty undeserved
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[21:51] <mkopack> Oh, it was bad back in the 1.0.2-1.2 days. But the JITC and JVMs have gotten SO much better over the last 10 years...
[21:51] <Habbie> neat, raspbian comes with an installer
[21:51] <Habbie> which takes 8 hours ;)
[21:51] <mkopack> ?
[21:51] <IT_Sean> overnight run
[21:51] <mkopack> Habbie: You running Hexxeh's image or the new one?
[21:52] <Habbie> i'm not running anything, i'm just reading their site
[21:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> Does Raspbian use an alternate hf kernel?
[21:52] <Habbie> http://raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[21:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> Installer!?
[21:52] <Habbie> Gadgetoid_Air, i woudld expect so
[21:52] <kvarley> If I have the binary from OpenELEC for XBMC, how can I make it so that when I go into a shell Ctrl + Alt + F3 for example it would boot that binary?
[21:53] <Habbie> kvarley, you can configure inittab or whatever replaces it in debian 6 to run something specific on terminal 3; but i don't know whether this works at all for framebuffer apps
[21:53] <Habbie> kvarley, if you're okay with ctrl-alt-f3 plus pushing enter, you could write a wrapper and stick that in inittab
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[21:54] <mkopack> Awesome that there's an installer now though
[21:55] <Habbie> yes
[21:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah, shame about the horrible performance incurred by writing tiny files all over the place
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[21:57] <Habbie> could be a matter of tweaking
[21:57] <mkopack> Yeah, honestly, I would suggest if you're using an external HD to install to, use the installer, otherwise, use one of the prebuilt images
[21:58] <mkopack> Reminds me, I need to expand the partition on one of my SD cards when I get home tonight
[21:58] <Habbie> that reminds me, does the recovery kernel (that's on the debian image) work for anyone?
[21:58] <mkopack> and throw the normal debian build on another so I can try to get ROS going on that
[21:59] <Habbie> ROS? RiscOS?
[21:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Habbie: what's it supposed to recover... the whole system is on an SD card :D
[21:59] <mkopack> ARGH, WHY does everyone assume that?!?! No, ROBOT OS
[21:59] <Habbie> mkopack, i'm -asking-
[21:59] <mkopack> ros.org
[21:59] <Habbie> Gadgetoid_Air, (a) you may have messed up your root fs beyond simple repair (b) you may want to do changes that require unmounted filesystems (like resizing the fat32 partition)
[22:00] <Habbie> Gadgetoid_Air, my reason was b, by the way :)
[22:00] <mkopack> (hey, since I don't have my Rpi in front of me, how big is the FAT partition that's used for the boot up?)
[22:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> Habbie: pop the SD card into a computer?! resizing the fat32 partition on the Pi will be excruciating
[22:00] <Habbie> mkopack, the debian image has something like 80mb i think; openelec requires close to 128
[22:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> Presumably you'll have to move your rootfs partition to fit more /boot in
[22:01] <Habbie> mkopack, the gpu does not care, as far as i can tell
[22:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> I can get into a command-line using XECLoader, but I'm not sure how useful it is
[22:01] <Habbie> Gadgetoid_Air, my only SD reader is in a mac and i don't feel like booting linux every time i need to do something with an SD card ;)
[22:02] <Habbie> Gadgetoid_Air, if you have the right binaries available there, it would be useful enough
[22:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Why does openelec require so much /boot? might be a pain if I'm dual booting it
[22:02] <mkopack> Ok, so I could get away with putting the FAT partition on a like 256MB SD card for the system where I have it run / off an external drive??? Nice. That would free up a 16GB SD card
[22:02] <Habbie> because openelec sticks all of xbmc on /boot
[22:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or quintuple booting... my /boot space is already at a premium and I'm going to have to suffer a horrible resize operation very soon
[22:02] <Habbie> and loads it into memory
[22:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> yikes!
[22:02] <Habbie> the ext4 partition is just for storage, with openelec
[22:03] <Habbie> mkopack, you can, yes
[22:03] <mkopack> cool. Finally something to use that old SD card for. :)
[22:03] <mkopack> (assuming the RPi will read it)
[22:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Glad I picked Raspbian as my next install then :D
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[22:06] <Habbie> mkopack, make sure to update the firmware in /boot - the firmware that comes with the debian image is quite old and there have been lots of SD compat fixes since
[22:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> interesting, Raspbian doesn't have the rootfs in fstab, hopefully it'll cause me less headaches than Fedora
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[22:07] <mkopack> k
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[22:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> Reet, time to try and boot Raspbian whee
[22:08] <mkopack> I need to figure out some way of setting all my ARM systems up as well.. I only have the 1 monitor with HDMI on it, and I'll have the PandaES + 3 Rpi's, 2 external HD's, 4 port Enet switch and a few USB Hubs??? Need a way to keep them all organized and easy to switch between
[22:08] <oldman> How do I load an image (.img) file with xbmc on it?
[22:09] <mkopack> oldman: You mean the system image?
[22:09] <_rp> use Win32 Disk Imager
[22:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> Looks like Debian.... :D
[22:09] <mkopack> Gadgetoid_Air: hehe, of course :)
[22:09] <oldman> skopack: an img of xbmc on to my debian os
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[22:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Curious, I cannot log in
[22:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, that'd be because I'm booted into the wrong OS :D
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[22:12] <IT_Sean> dillweed
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[22:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> I seem to have broken my boot script
[22:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> error -22 whilst initialising Credit card
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[22:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> Guess the Raspbian kernel also has first32k, gahrrr!
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> hi
[22:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> ahoy
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[22:21] <gordonDrogon> ahoy hoy ...
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> Aparently the first thing Mr Bell said on the telephone...
[22:22] <dmsuse> all good british inventors do say that :P
[22:22] <brougham> guess that's why montie burns says it on the simpsons
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahoy-hoy
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[22:23] <urs> Still no ipv6 in the default raspbian kernel though.
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> I didn't know about the monry burns link... guess I don't watch enough simpsons ...
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> I recompiled it into mine.
[22:23] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: indeed, AGB wanted us all to answer the telephone with ahoy, or ahoy-hoy :P
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> however my ISP pissed me off enough so that I'm in thethrowed of looking for another - down side is not many supply IPv6 in the UK
[22:24] <friggle> Gadgetoid_Air: easy enough to remove :)
[22:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> Is this madness? tail /boot/kernels/raspbian -c +33K > raspbian
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> I don't think that's needed with bootc's kernel now..
[22:25] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: do you have sufficient necessity for that ATM?
[22:25] <friggle> gordonDrogon: it's not needed due to a start.elf update from Dom
[22:25] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: AAISP is about your only choice there
[22:25] <IT_Sean> aye, why do you need IPv6?
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> ipv6?
[22:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> IE: does the first 32K end with "ATApi" ?
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> Becasue ..
[22:25] <IT_Sean> because why?
[22:25] <Dagger2> but if you're looking for v6-enabled ISPs in the UK that aren't Entanet, I'm assuming you're aware of them already
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> I'm an entanet reseller and it's them wot that have ennoyed me.
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> I want IPv6 because we'll all need IPv6 at some point, so I want to be ready.
[22:26] <haltdef> tbh it's not worth the price premium yet
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> Enta, aaisp, goscom.
[22:26] <Dagger2> IT_Sean: dunno about your ISP, but mine only gives me one v4 address, and I have more than one device on my network
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> what price premium?
[22:26] <IT_Sean> By the time you NEED it, your ISP will HAVE it.
[22:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> friggle: with tail?
[22:26] <haltdef> you need to spend a fortune on an isp that support it :P
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> ipv6 is standard with enta, aaisp and goscom.
[22:27] <haltdef> like I said, fortune
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> my hosting co. supports it too, but I've yet to give everything an ipv6 address.
[22:27] <haltdef> if you use any amount of data anyway
[22:27] <haltdef> (I do, rather a lot)
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> I prefer quality over rubbish when it comes to ISPs.
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> and my data needs are modest.. I'm really not into p2p stuff at all.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> entanet is uncounted overnight.
[22:28] <haltdef> lol overnight
[22:28] <haltdef> such nonsense
[22:28] <haltdef> anyway, I only had tiscali LLU available when I first moved in here
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> thats what I do all my backups.
[22:28] <nid0> my isp's uncounted 24x7 \o/
[22:28] <friggle> Gadgetoid_Air: I imagine that will do it. dd with skip and bs also
[22:28] <haltdef> no adsl2+ anywhere else, so I took a gamble on pipex business
[22:28] <_rp> uhoh pipex suck
[22:29] <haltdef> business :P
[22:29] <_rp> arent they now talk talk
[22:29] <haltdef> they got nommed by talktalk and are talktalk business now
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> uncounted, but I suspect there are AUP in place.
[22:29] <nid0> nope
[22:29] <nid0> no traffic limit, no shaping, no aup
[22:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> friggle: Well, there's one way to find out... to the reboot-mobile!
[22:29] <_rp> ah yeah, talk talk need closing down because they're shocking as an isp
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> is it LLU or BTW?
[22:29] <haltdef> ??19.50+VAT for 24/1 with mild throttling, they're fine with my 500GB/mo usage
[22:29] <nid0> llu through c&w's infrastructure
[22:29] <haltdef> sky and 21cn has since became available, no reason to move
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> well good for you.
[22:30] <_rp> sky llu rocks tbh
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> well done, etc.
[22:30] <_rp> not so sure about their fttc product tho
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> I live in ruralistan and only have BTW or TT... and guess which I'll never use ...
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> so I'm stuck with a BTW reseller and it's impossible for any BTW to offer unlimited because they will go bust.
[22:31] <haltdef> yeah, don't write off talktalk so fast
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> because BT charge the resellers per byte.
[22:31] <haltdef> business side are competent :P
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> 100% not interested.
[22:31] <haltdef> that was the reason BT wholesale just wasn't an option for me
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[22:31] <haltdef> as well as slow back then
[22:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> Might try dd, kernel chopped with tail is a no-go too
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> Enta actually have a very good network - they have crap support though, even for a reseller.
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> use cat. cat blob kernel > kernel.new
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[22:34] <gordonDrogon> I also ge an ipv4 /29, and a v6 /56 from enta.
[22:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I'm trying to remove the 32kb :D
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, ah.
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> dd if=kernel of=new bs=32K skip=1
[22:34] <mjr> us proles have to make do with 3 ipv4s and a /64
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[22:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Aha, thanks... I almost had that, was googling for sane bs= and skip= values
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> hm. check it's skip and not seek. one is input the other output. best check.
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[22:36] <gordonDrogon> Pi is doing something weird on the framebuffer
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[22:36] <gordonDrogon> I'm getting some really odd flickering and seeing stuff I shouldn't be seeing.
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> it could be SDL, but who knows...
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[22:37] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: well, AAISP will give you a /48 + whatever you need on v4. if you do small enough amounts of traffic that their bandwidth fees aren't a problem, go with them
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, I know the Rev.... Last time I totted up my needs it would be over ?100 a month )-:
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, no Be LLU here - that's what makes it cheap.
[22:37] <Dagger2> (and note that they have something like a 1 TB/unit rate for 2am-6am)
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, I'm only pulling 2-4GB overnight. Daytime use is about 1GB/day
[22:39] <Dagger2> ah, yeah, that daytime usage is a problem
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> I could just go with any old ISP and tunnel IPv6 through my hosted servers - theyhave a /48 which I must start using...
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> let me check..
[22:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, still no dice... I wonder if the raspbian kernel lacks USB compiled in
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[22:40] <Dagger2> that works, or a HE tunnel
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> Hm. used 12GB peak in the past 10 days.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> more than usual...
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[22:42] <Dagger2> AAISP do L2TP tunnels too, which are charged at Be rates
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[22:43] <gordonDrogon> don't need them. it's a mugs game trying to provide IP to punters these days...
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> I got fed-u ptrying.
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[22:43] <gordonDrogon> so although I resell enta, I've more or less stopped and not taking on any new punters.
[22:44] <irctc236> Is there any tutorials on using the spi pins of the gpio on the raspberry pi?
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> irctc236, probably not.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> I've not had time to add i2c and spi to my pages on it all.
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[22:46] <Dagger2> well... my suggestion was that you get a line from any ISP + IPv4/v6 from AAISP over L2TP, which nets you routed v4+v6 blocks for the cheaper Be rates
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[22:47] <irctc236> Oh, thats unfortunate. I got the primary gpio pns working digitally. And I have a few DAC's that I was planning on working with, but I think I will need to use the spi for my project eventually.
[22:47] <Dagger2> (and you don't have to pay line rental for the L2TP tunnel, of course, so it's just the bandwidth costs to AAISP and the fee to the whatever ISP)
[22:48] <amelia_> Wish I lived somewhere where I could get cable, at least *sigh*
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[22:49] <dmsuse> why would u need fast internet?
[22:52] <anish> you know "not for kids" videos
[22:52] <Cheery> funny tidbit
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[22:52] <Cheery> AABB - ray collision is simple
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, I have 2 dozen servers in a DC - I could terminate it there, but it's such a faff for one line!
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[22:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, kexec'ing the hf kernel seems to be a no-go
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, read your reply on the forum...
[22:59] <xlq> It appears that my RS components session timed out, and now "the code entered is invalid, please correct".
[22:59] <xlq> RS has handled this whole thing so badly.
[22:59] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: which one?
[23:00] <Habbie> xlq, email them
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, the one about vSync
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> er, vsync..
[23:00] <xlq> Hmm, the FAQ suggests waiting an hour and/or clearing cookies.
[23:00] <Cheery> what about that?
[23:00] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: is it unreadable?
[23:00] <bootc> Gadgetoid_Air: upgrade your start.elf from the firmware git and you don't need the first32k.bin stuff for _any_ kernel
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, oh it's readable - just looking like you can't detect the start of vsync on the Pi...
[23:01] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: just terminate it on your home router
[23:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> bootc: did that long ago, this is an entirely separate issue involving ShiftPlusOne's boot-menu gymnastics
[23:01] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: oh you can!
[23:01] <_rp> i thought rs handled everything fine tbh
[23:01] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: but it's bit of a hack
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, go on ...
[23:01] <_rp> as well as farnell
[23:01] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: do swapbuffers couple times and calculate the average interval.
[23:02] <Cheery> then refresh the thing according to that interval
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, swapbuffers? you mean draw the scene...?
[23:02] <Cheery> no.
[23:02] <Cheery> just swapbuffers
[23:02] <Cheery> to see how it vsyncs
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> SDL_Flip?
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[23:03] <Cheery> oh wait...
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> I'm using SDL.
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[23:03] <gordonDrogon> I think there's a weird bug in it anyway - or a feature. It appears to be writing directly to the visible screen rather than to a software copy.
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[23:04] <Cheery> I'd really like to know how to do it too
[23:05] <Cheery> but there's another thing I'd like to discuss with you.
[23:05] <amelia_> Anyone in .uk got ISP recommendations?
[23:05] <amelia_> just ADSLoPOTS, sadly
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> amelia_, don't look at me ;-)
[23:05] <xlq> amelia_: notBTnotBTnotBT
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> Enta is OK, but support can be problematic.
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> I've just tried goscombe with a client and they're ok, but not good enough for me to recommend.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> AAISP if you can afford them.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> Zen - if you can afford them.
[23:06] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: I've dealt with Enta, but not in a few years.. used them as ISP for clients, and for hosting. Won't use BT as they cost far too much for what you get.. currently using TalkTalk as it was cheap and gave me decent speed, but the support is terrible and I'm getting sick of them. Not being in Preston itself I can't get (heaven forbid) VM 100Mb cable
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> I'm not personally a fan of virgin at all.
[23:07] <amelia_> No, but I do like the idea of the speed increase :P
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> Do you have Be LLU?
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[23:08] <gordonDrogon> stick your postcode into samknows, etc.
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[23:08] <gordonDrogon> Goscomb are trialling TalkTalk LLU...
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> if you want to be a beta tester....
[23:09] <amelia_> Happy to put it down as a business line if I can find the right deal.... and yes, looks like i do
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> so keep the TT line & sync speeds but data via Goscoms network.
[23:09] <amelia_> Well, that sound interesting. Any benefit over all-TT?
[23:09] <PhonicUK> hey all
[23:09] <PhonicUK> ive hit my uptime record on my pi, woo!
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> Goscomb seem to run a pretty god/fast internal network...
[23:09] <Hexxeh> amelia_: hurrah, preston :)
[23:10] <haltdef> talktalk wholesale is very expensive I hear
[23:10] <amelia_> Hexxeh: shush - I'm sadly near it, but thankfully not in it :P
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[23:10] <gordonDrogon> Goscomb suggested to me it might be marginally cheaper than their Be offerings...
[23:10] <Hexxeh> oh, don't get me wrong, it's a shithole, but i live there so i'm allowed to say that :)
[23:10] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: would you like to help with a programming environment project or python raspberry pi bindings?
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> currnelty paying ?30+vat for a business connection via goscomb on a Be line.
[23:11] <Cheery> or any of you others
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, I don't do python, sorry...
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> C, BASIC (&php) ...
[23:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ruby is the way :D python is made of evil
[23:11] <Matt> gordonDrogon: you admit to writing basic? :)
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[23:12] <LukeB> argh. should i be getting a flashing OK light without an SD card in the pi?
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> Matt, I wrote a BASIC interpreter. BASIC is cool.
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> LukeB, the OK LED is the same as the HDD LED on a PC ..
[23:12] <LukeB> ah :p
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> but maybe flashing means no SD card...
[23:13] * PhonicUK compiles CorsixTH :)
[23:13] <PhonicUK> Compile all the things!
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> it's sort of reversed from what I can see - so on all the time, but off when accessing the SD.
[23:13] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: I'm paying ~?26 inc VAT for linerental (cheaper than BT), calls included in the package, never used), and unmetered upto 24Mbit
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> amelia_, hard to be that - the bundled deals are always attractive.
[23:14] <Cheery> uuh.
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> amelia_, unmeterd just means they're overselling their network.
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> ie. slowdowns at peak times, etc.
[23:15] <Cheery> a really hard end-results of heavy diarrhea
[23:15] <Cheery> makes me to bend over
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[23:15] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: I know, I know .... alas, looks like I'll pay more just for line rental + ADSL, with just about anyone else.. even for business lines
[23:15] * PhonicUK is getting a 100mbit connection at his new home :D
[23:16] <markus> i have 100Mbit unmetered
[23:16] <markus> not that much of a slowdown any time that i've noticed
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> amelia_, if it helps, I pay BT the basic line rate - ?13 pcm? plus ?25.75+vat to enta... pcm...
[23:17] <amelia_> tack :)
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> actually, it's ?22 pcm as I get the reseller rate. 8Mb in, 832Kb up, elevated services over BTW.
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[23:18] <markus> amelia_: are you swedish?
[23:18] <PhonicUK> markus, virgin?
[23:18] <PhonicUK> virgin media broadband that is xD
[23:18] <PhonicUK> qaw2
[23:18] <markus> PhonicUK: no. haha
[23:18] <PhonicUK> qaw2cat just walked across the keyboard
[23:19] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: if I get it off the python-point.. would you contribute then?
[23:19] <Cheery> after all the python's just a stepping stone
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[23:19] <markus> PhonicUK: i thought i said something stupid then i thought of the isp
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, well, email me the details...
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[23:20] <Cheery> I have to design them first. I'm asking this a sort of early you know
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:20] <Cheery> there's the file format but we can't really go on without an initial editor.
[23:20] <Cheery> that's what I'm doing in python
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[23:21] <Cheery> the idea is that once we have it. We'll roll out an interpreter.
[23:21] <Cheery> then implement features to that interpreter until we can run the editor on it.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> I have this BASIC interprerter I wrote recently ....
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> slightly used, one carefull owner :)
[23:21] <Cheery> yeah
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[23:22] <Cheery> the gimmick here is that the interpreter needs to read the file format we're using.
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> might just package it up tomorow. I have a free day (sort of)
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[23:24] <Cheery> I'm missing the interface still.. but I think I'll start by continuing this one example soon.
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[23:24] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/30364/
[23:25] <Cheery> it is doing word wrapping.
[23:25] <Cheery> I guess I'll just put it wrap dom blocks.. and then get it going.
[23:26] <Cheery> we are interested about a better layouter later.. but we'll need something soon :)
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[23:27] <Cheery> for the input
[23:27] <Cheery> I think I'll make some sort of input/context mapper after I've got a simple layouter
[23:27] <Cheery> then we go gold with that
[23:28] <Cheery> something dead simple at first
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[23:28] <Cheery> then we use it a little while and I'll write the improvements
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> I'm off to zed...
[23:35] <PhonicUK> woot woot, theme hospital is nearly there :)
[23:35] <chris_99> what do you mean PhonicUK?
[23:35] <Hexxeh> PhonicUK: any luck with mupen?
[23:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: openth? (or whatever it's called)
[23:36] <PhonicUK> chris_99, Gadgetoid_Air , CorsixTH
[23:36] <Hexxeh> Gadgetoid_Air: CorsixTH
[23:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> That's the one!
[23:36] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, you've gotten further than I have at this point
[23:36] <PhonicUK> I still can't get the video plugin to compile
[23:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> I knew it ended in TH :D I haven't fired it up for a while though
[23:36] <PhonicUK> could you drop your makefile somewhere?
[23:37] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, also the dynarec for pcsx is ARM7 dependent, but there may be another version I can use that isn't
[23:37] <chris_99> i love themehospital!
[23:37] <chris_99> would love to play that
[23:37] <Hexxeh> PhonicUK: i don't have it handy, sorry
[23:37] <Hexxeh> PhonicUK: there's a version called "rearmed" which is
[23:38] <Hexxeh> oh wait
[23:38] <Hexxeh> sorry, misread that
[23:38] <Hexxeh> damn
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[23:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder how close stuff ported for the ARM Cortex OpenPandora is to being compatible with the Pi
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[23:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> http://repo.openpandora.org/?page=detail&app=package.pcsx_rearmed.notaz
[23:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> The guys that ported this would rock the Pi's socks :D
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[23:40] <mjr> probably somewhat close
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[23:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> afaik Pandora binaries should *just work* on the Pi
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[23:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> Library dependencies aside, that is
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[23:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, ? why would they 'just work'?
[23:45] <PhonicUK> chris_99, if you have a copy of the theme hospital data files then you'll be able to in a bit
[23:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: 'cos they are ARM binaries? *shrug*
[23:45] <PhonicUK> the Panda is ARMv7
[23:46] <chris_99> awesome PhonicUK :)
[23:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, different flavour of arm
[23:46] <chris_99> does it have sound PhonicUK?
[23:46] <PhonicUK> should do
[23:46] <ShiftPlusOne> the tasty, non-compatible one.
[23:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> Pffft, not going to stop me smashing it until it works
[23:46] <PhonicUK> i compiled it with SDL mixer support
[23:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Corsix th?
[23:46] <PhonicUK> yeah
[23:46] <ShiftPlusOne> did you get it to work without X?
[23:46] <Cheery> good night
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[23:47] <PhonicUK> don't know yet, but it should be able to
[23:47] <PhonicUK> ive got SDL set up to be able to use the framebugger
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[23:47] <PhonicUK> atm im waiting for the data to download (ive lost my CD)
[23:47] <Habbie> framebugger :D
[23:47] <ShiftPlusOne> didn't work when I tried.
[23:47] <PhonicUK> and then Ive gotta attach an actual display instead of just SSHing in
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[23:47] <ShiftPlusOne> but you can get the game from GOG.com for pretty cheap for the data files
[23:47] <PhonicUK> I can live with it though if X is a requirement
[23:47] <PhonicUK> i'm just torrenting it. I own the game so i don't see an issue with it
[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> it was playable but slow.
[23:49] <PhonicUK> how about with the sound disabled?
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[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> different kind of slow I think
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> unaccelerated display driver kind of slow I think
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[23:50] <PhonicUK> makes sense
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[23:51] <PhonicUK> i found when playing games in DOSBox it was more an isssue of X being slow than the actual emulation
[23:51] <ShiftPlusOne> hm yeah... would explain a bit
[23:51] <ShiftPlusOne> scummvm games didn't seem to have that isue
[23:51] <ShiftPlusOne> *issue
[23:51] <ShiftPlusOne> so I am not sure
[23:52] <PhonicUK> depends on how large a screen area is changing at once
[23:52] <PhonicUK> if its just small areas that are being redrawn then its pretty quick
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[23:52] <PhonicUK> if the entire screen changes then its a crawl
[23:52] <PhonicUK> i really hope we can get accelerated X drivers
[23:52] <PhonicUK> i wonder if there's a bounty for it
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[23:54] <chris_99> has anyone installed corsix-th on ubuntu, i can't seem to find out where it's installed
[23:55] <chris_99> or how to run it
[23:55] <chris_99> ah nvm, managed to use the search bar to run it
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[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> chris_99, you should just use dosbox, corsix-th doesn't have all the features.
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[23:56] <chris_99> oh it needs the themehospital cd
[23:56] <chris_99> damn
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[23:56] <chris_99> i've got that somewhere
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[23:56] <IT_Sean> ahoy
[23:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: have you booted Raspbian using XECLoader by the way?
[23:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, yeah, but it didn't work too well.
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[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, right now, I am re-working xecloader to use switch_root, to get around the videocore issue.
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> starting with openelec, since that will be the trickiest one
[23:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: I've been playing with Menu.sh, adding in block checks of the configured root directories and other sanity stuff
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[23:59] <ShiftPlusOne> great, mind sharing once you've done that?
[23:59] <Diogo> hi anyone have xbmc installed on raspberry pi?
[23:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Diogo, using openelec, sure.
[23:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: I'm no scripting guru, but I'll unleash my horrible hackery upon you :D
[23:59] <ShiftPlusOne> there's also raspbmc

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