#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-05-30

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[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, neither, so that shouldn't be a problem.
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[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> thought I've learned that you can always use more quotes to magically fix things.
[0:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: one of the things I've been toying with is adding the rootfs into a rootfs[] array so it can be checked at runtime, and options pointing to non-bootable drives removed from the list or otherwise flagged up
[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> and #bash is very helpful.
[0:01] <Diogo> ShiftPlusOne: to install using raspbmc i've download this file...installer-testing.img.gz and after that i execute this command...gunzip -c installer-testing.img.gz | dd of=/dev/sdcarddisk
[0:01] <Diogo> no error during this process..
[0:01] <Diogo> but when i tried to startup the raspberry no image in the monitor...
[0:02] <Diogo> i'm doing everything wrong?
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[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Sorry, I don't know everything you're doing. =p Did you get debian working?
[0:02] <Diogo> yes
[0:02] <Diogo> debian with working fine
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[0:03] <ShiftPlusOne> don't know, I haven't used raspbmc myself, but I am sure someone else will reply.
[0:04] <Diogo> to install openelec on mac its easy?
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[0:04] <Diogo> (to prepare the sdcard)
[0:04] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> wait.. maybe not... do you have access to tools to make linux filesystems?
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> like ext2?
[0:05] <Diogo> nop
[0:05] <Diogo> when i tried to do a make
[0:05] <Diogo> appear command not found
[0:05] <Diogo> :(
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok, then no, unless you use a VM and a USB SD card reader.
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> or find the tools for mac
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, I am also considering stealing kexecboot's method. Scan all the available filesystems, look for a certain file containing information about that distro (cmdline and kernel), and adding that to the menu. Might as well steal their format to make it fully compatible with kexecboot.
[0:06] <ShiftPlusOne> but a more flexible version
[0:06] <Diogo> hrrr this is not possible to install xbmc like apt-get install xbmc on debian?
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[0:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: that's an interesting idea
[0:06] <sraue> Diogo, you can try this build from here: http://sparky0815.de/2012/05/raspberry-pi-aktuelles-openelec-image-vom-28-05-2012/
[0:06] <piless> that wiiguy never shuts up
[0:07] <piless> hate his quit message so so much
[0:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: the menu should show all options by default and abort timeout when arrow keys are pressed, too, just sayin' :)
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[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, working with the limitation of dialog.
[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> *limitations
[0:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: thought as much, I haven't been able to change it anyway
[0:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> Could always build a custom ui
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Then it will just be kexecboot
[0:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yay!
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[0:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: what's wrong with that, though? I've never used kexecboot so I wouldn't know :D
[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Nothing at all
[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> It's just not as open to hackery afaik
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[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> since it's a binary
[0:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Truth, Menu.sh is very hackable, are there ncurses bindings for bash?... could be painful
[0:11] <ShiftPlusOne> could just use python
[0:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I just haven't enabled python in buildroot, but that's always an option is more powerful tools are needed.
[0:12] <ShiftPlusOne> *if
[0:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm just aiming for the most robust thing I can hack together
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[0:14] <xlq> Can't I add other things to my raspberry pi order on RS components except the items specifically listed in the raspberry pi section?
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[0:20] <piless> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/05/29/raspberry-pi-case-preview/
[0:21] <piless> Am I the only one who doesn't like all the branding on the 3rd party cases? Someone is going to think the device is called an adafruit and not a raspberry pi.
[0:21] <amelia_> piless: that is pretty ... nicer than the clear acrylic one i have, and looks like it has ridged corners to avoid needing anything else to hold it together :)
[0:22] <piless> amelia_: Yeah, shame the usb ports hang out though
[0:23] <IT_Sean> nothing worse than having your USB port hang out.
[0:24] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah that can be a bit embarassing.
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[0:25] <fakker> you got your piece hanging out
[0:25] <fakker> ;]
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[0:25] <fakker> i guess it's better than my makeshift case until i build one...
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[0:26] <fakker> McDonald's Bigmac box
[0:26] <fakker> ohh yeah
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[0:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ew
[0:26] <fakker> cleaned :P
[0:26] <ShiftPlusOne> no, ew as in McDonalds.
[0:26] <fakker> it's not got half the lettuce or sauce in there
[0:26] <piless> gross
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[0:27] <fakker> each to their own
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[0:27] <piless> burger king does a better burger
[0:27] <fakker> better fries
[0:28] <ShiftPlusOne> You're all wrong, that place around the corner from my house does the best burger.
[0:28] <piless> burger king fries are a bit of a hit or miss.
[0:28] <fakker> bah, you haven't had a burger until you've been Burger Bar in Amsterdam
[0:28] <fakker> Kobe burger? why not
[0:28] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: link?
[0:28] <ShiftPlusOne> link to what?
[0:28] <piless> google maps
[0:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, right
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[0:30] <ShiftPlusOne> https://maps.google.com.au/?ll=-38.112098,145.15768&spn=0.000447,0.001032&hnear=Victoria+3198&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=-38.112098,145.15768&panoid=W9dG4A5QksgNuM6K4yTb_w&cbp=12,306.79,,0,-5.67
[0:30] <fakker> heh, but yeah
[0:31] <fakker> my final case will be made from carbon fibre
[0:31] <fakker> the real shit, not this crappy sticky back plastic
[0:31] <fakker> fibre+resin, multiple layers
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[0:32] <piless> stalking time
[0:33] <piless> since when has google maps been labling house numbers?
[0:33] <ShiftPlusOne> a long long time
[0:34] <piless> doesn't do it for where I live D:
[0:37] <fakker> doesn't do it where i live either
[0:37] <PhonicUK> ShiftPlusOne, mine *sorta* works without X
[0:37] <PhonicUK> if i run it outside of X, the foreground flickers
[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
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[0:38] <PhonicUK> also, the performance issue is definitely down to X
[0:38] <PhonicUK> the X process is eating half the CPU
[0:39] <piless> PhonicUK: which distro?
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[0:44] <ShiftPlusOne> PhonicUK, did you need to do anything special other that setting envvars to use SDL outside of X?
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[0:45] <Pingless> good evening all
[0:45] <Pingless> I'm running RaspBMC, and struggling to get my WiFi adapter working
[0:45] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[0:46] <Pingless> has anyone here had luck with their WiFi on RaspBMC?
[0:46] <ShiftPlusOne> is the module itself available?
[0:46] <Pingless> what do you mean by module?
[0:46] <ShiftPlusOne> the driver
[0:46] <Pingless> the system recognises the adapter itself, i.e. when I run lsusb it shows up
[0:47] <ShiftPlusOne> lsusb just shows whats plugged in, whether or not the driver is available
[0:47] <ShiftPlusOne> you'll want to check dmesg to see whether it even tried to load the module.
[0:47] <Pingless> how would I check if it's available?
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[0:47] <ShiftPlusOne> can you paste the lsusb line that includes the device?
[0:48] <Pingless> gimme a moment, I'm going to SSH in
[0:49] <Pingless> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 7392:7711 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7711UTn nLite Wireless Adapter [Ralink RT2870]
[0:49] <ShiftPlusOne> what does 'apt-cache search ralink' return?
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[0:49] <Pingless> I've already installed firmware-ralink if that's what you're asking
[0:50] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that's it
[0:50] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, then can you pastebin the output of dmesg?
[0:50] <Pingless> sure
[0:50] <Pingless> just dmesg, no parameters?
[0:50] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[0:51] <Veryevil> lsusb?
[0:51] <Veryevil> although you might need to apt-get install usb-utils
[0:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Veryevil, look a few lines above
[0:52] <Veryevil> sorry just flicked oveer
[0:52] <Veryevil> he he
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[0:52] <ShiftPlusOne> might just need to modprobe rt2870
[0:52] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd just like to see dmesg first
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[0:53] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's the same wifi dongle I had a while ago and ralink-firmware didn't work for it... had to download the driver and firmware from the website and compile it.
[0:54] <Pingless> http://pastebin.com/a3VE3avZ
[0:54] <Pingless> it's a EdiMax EW-7711UAn
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[0:55] <dmsuse> i have a ralink too
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[0:55] <ShiftPlusOne> that doesn't matter, it's the chipset that's important.
[0:55] <Pingless> ok :)
[0:55] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... that's not pretty at all
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[0:56] <ShiftPlusOne> you should update your firmware and kernel if you can.
[0:56] <Pingless> it's RaspBMC
[0:56] <ShiftPlusOne> and if you haven't already
[0:57] <Pingless> the kernel is two days old AFAIK
[0:57] <PhonicUK> chris_99, still there?
[0:57] <chris_99> yup
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[0:57] <PhonicUK> im about to upload it
[0:57] <chris_99> cool :)
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[0:57] <chris_99> i need to find my themehospital cd
[0:58] <ShiftPlusOne> it seems to all go wrong after you plug it in... also, you don't seem to be using a hub?
[0:58] <Pingless> nope
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[0:59] <Pingless> I don't have a powered hub, and everything stopped working when I used the unpowered one
[0:59] <Pingless> so I just have the wifi adapter and a keyboard plugged in atm
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> you should, the raspberry pi can't provide enough power for wifi dongles
[0:59] <Pingless> until I can get a powered hub
[0:59] <Pingless> ah
[0:59] <Pingless> I see
[0:59] <Pingless> but surely that's not the problem here.
[0:59] <plugwash> alternatively link out the stupid polyfuses and connect a decent PSU to your Pi
[0:59] <chris_99> are you sure about that ShiftPlusOne
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> chris_99, not 100% sure, but sure enough to suggest investing in a powered hub.
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[1:00] <chris_99> that's a bit of a PITA if it doesn't let you just plug a wifi adapter in
[1:00] <chris_99> without a hub
[1:00] <Pingless> ShiftPlusOne: if you're in the UK, can you recommend one?
[1:00] <hamitron> can you not run wifi dongles in a low power mode?
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[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Nuh, I am not in UK, but check ebay for a 4 port belkin one or something.
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[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne> though the belkin one I have only has a 1amp supply so that's not too great, but it works better than the targus one.
[1:01] <Pingless> argh, I have a belkin, but no power adapter
[1:02] * hamitron has a usb man
[1:02] <hamitron> from tesco
[1:02] <hamitron> ;)
[1:02] <hamitron> it doesn't actually say what PSU it needs
[1:02] <hamitron> :/
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> neither does the one I have... just using the one it came with
[1:03] <hamitron> ah, this came with none
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> might get away with using a higher power one, but I wouldn't try.
[1:03] <hamitron> I'm guessing it is 5V
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah 'course
[1:03] <Pingless> hm, I need to go to an electronics store tomorrow anyway
[1:03] <hamitron> but which way around? :-o
[1:03] <Pingless> so I'll get one there.
[1:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Pingless, careful with no-name generic ones.
[1:04] <Pingless> will do, thanks
[1:04] <ShiftPlusOne> They're made of mostly evil.
[1:05] <Pingless> I have one that doesn't even have the USB logo on the plug
[1:05] <hamitron> so is alice cooper, but he is cool
[1:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Pingless, have you tried another distro?
[1:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Alice Cooper is a born again christian, what are you on about?
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[1:05] <Pingless> this is my 4th distro -- RaspBMC runs XBMC, which is pretty much exactly what I need my rPi for
[1:05] <hamitron> you need religion, to have hell
[1:06] <hamitron> but lets not get into that deeply
[1:06] <hamitron> :)
[1:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Pingless, it seems to crap out when you plug your adapter in and I think it might be due to an old kernel.
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[1:07] <Pingless> is there any way of confirming that?
[1:07] <PhonicUK> chris_99, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=6943
[1:07] <amelia_> ping-: any sound with RaspBMC?
[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Pingless, yeah, but I don't what it is.
[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne> wrong ping D=
[1:08] <Pingless> amelia_, it runs fine through the HDMI cable.
[1:08] <Pingless> raspBMC plays both AVI and MKV files without problems, which is exactly what I need it for :)
[1:09] <PhonicUK> ShiftPlusOne, http://mirror2.mcmyadmin.com/raspberrypi_apps/CorsixTH_raspi.zip
[1:09] <PhonicUK> thats my version that has the flickering on the FB
[1:09] <amelia_> ping-: link? Alas, I've never got audio through HDMI with the stock Debian
[1:09] <PhonicUK> but essentially works
[1:09] <ShiftPlusOne> If all you need is xbmc then openelec is pretty good.
[1:09] <sraue> +1
[1:09] <ShiftPlusOne> PhonicUK, any modifications from the original?
[1:09] <PhonicUK> nope
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[1:09] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, your opinion might be a tad biased there =p
[1:10] <PhonicUK> just lots of make options
[1:10] <Pingless> ShiftPlusOne: I read that openelec is laggy compared to raspbmc
[1:10] <Pingless> amelia_: http://www.raspbmc.com/
[1:10] <sraue> should be solved Pingless... also the boottime should be much more improved
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[1:11] <Pingless> also, afaik you have to manually compile openelec, and I'm not experienced enough for that.
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[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Pingless, there are nightly builds out there, also it's easy to compile, just takes forever.
[1:11] <Pingless> easy to compile... on Windows?
[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... no, nothing is easy on windows.
[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, while you're here, has anyone else reported build errors with prelink enabled for pi?
[1:12] <Pingless> :P
[1:13] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, not really... what you get for builderrors? also i dont know if this prelinking brings much, so its safe to disable this
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[1:13] <Pingless> I might try it in my virtual box.
[1:13] <sraue> Pingless, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5163&start=850#p86145
[1:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: Thus far I have: http://pastebin.com/CC15LdxH
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[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, I have disabled it and lost the errors, but is the openelec channel logged anywhere? I think I've pastebinned it there.
[1:14] <sraue> oh hmmm its not logged.... when you have posted this?
[1:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I am guessing within a few days of prelink being added
[1:15] <Pingless> sraue: thanks for the link, trying it now.
[1:16] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, "configure: error: libelf does not properly convert Elf64_Sxword quantities"
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[1:16] <sraue> ah this i have seen.... but no idea whats the problem, i will look in this, but you can disable prelinking until its fixed
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[1:18] <Pingless> sraue: Oh right, it's linux only. Oh well, out comes the Ubuntu netbook...
[1:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I had something more useful in config.log
[1:18] <ShiftPlusOne> but I don't have that log anymore
[1:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: that includes checks that the chosen filesystems are available block devices, in addition to a basic file test for the existence of a chosen kernel... there's lots wrong with it, though
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[1:19] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, maybe we will remove this prelinking again, it seems it dont brings much usefull
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[1:26] <PhonicUK> chris_99, having fun yet? :P
[1:26] <ShiftPlusOne> would be nice if corsix-th wasn't in lua =(
[1:27] <PhonicUK> its not
[1:27] <PhonicUK> Lua is use for the game scripting and logic
[1:27] <PhonicUK> which makes perfect sense
[1:27] <ShiftPlusOne> seems to be mostly lua with a bit of C just to load all the lua stuff
[1:27] <ShiftPlusOne> from what I remember
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[1:28] <PhonicUK> its a fair quantity of C to make it tick
[1:28] <PhonicUK> corsixth is really just an engine in which Theme Hospital has been built
[1:28] <PhonicUK> its pretty cool though
[1:28] <PhonicUK> and Lua is very fast
[1:28] <PhonicUK> i might try compiling LuaJIT, but the Lua definitely isn't a bottleneck
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> You'd know better, you have it in front of you, but I think I recall all the rendering stuff being in lua as well.
[1:29] <PhonicUK> the lua tells it what to draw in effect, but its not like SDL is just passed on to Lua
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[1:29] <sraue> bootc, if you are around, can you look at http://sprunge.us/GKgD, its your kernel 3.2.18 on OpenELEC... with 3.1.10 i dont have this mmc issues, do i miss anything?
[1:29] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
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[1:30] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, same issue here with his kernel. I remember him telling me to revert a certain commit.
[1:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I couldn't get it to work though
[1:31] <sraue> hmm :-( 3.1 is EOL since ages and 3.2 sounds better, and i have better remote support with 3.2
[1:31] <sraue> you still know this commit?
[1:31] <sraue> which commit..
[1:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll try to find it
[1:32] <sraue> it *seems* thats the only problem with this kernel
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[1:34] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, <bootc> ShiftPlusOne: could you do me a favour and revert 84045e4 and see if that fixes anything?
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[1:34] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, thanks much, will try this
[1:35] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[1:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: I've also found how to get rid of your tmpfile gymnastics
[1:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ooh, what is it?
[1:35] <friggle> ShiftPlusOne: Lua is awesome! Check out luajit 2
[1:35] <Pingless> wow, OpenElec is smooth.
[1:35] <ShiftPlusOne> tempfile was stupid, it's just how every dialog tutorial seemed to do it
[1:35] <Pingless> way smoother than RaspBMC.
[1:36] <Pingless> only problem: how do I get out of the XMBC interface?
[1:36] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, yeah, I don't have a problem with Lua. =)
[1:36] <sraue> great, Pingless, dont trust what you "read" :-)
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[1:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Pingless, it's just xbmc... there's nothing to get out into. you can ssh into it though.
[1:37] <sraue> Pingless, why you want go out of xbmc?
[1:37] <Pingless> oh right. RaspBMC allowed me to get out of XBMC into a console.
[1:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: selection=$(dialog --backtitle "XECLoader $version" --menu "Select system ( $failed ommited ) or cancel to launch a shell." 20 60 50 "${options[@]}" 3>&1 1>&2 2>&3 )
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[1:37] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[1:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Redirect the output at the end with: 3>&1 1>&2 2>&3
[1:38] <ShiftPlusOne> that's quite cryptic
[1:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> And you can capture the dialog selection straight into a variable
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[1:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> Cryptic is fine as long as you add a comment :D
[1:38] <ShiftPlusOne> but thanks, much better than all that tempfile stuff.
[1:38] <friggle> sraue: although we do hope to move to kernel based on the awesome work of bootc, Simon- and others we probably can't provide much support if you have issues with vchiq (3d libs) or usb on the 3.2 kernel right now
[1:39] <sraue> friggle, i understand
[1:40] <friggle> that said, if it seems to meet your requirements it probably benefits everyone to start getting it tested more out in the field
[1:40] <ShiftPlusOne> mmc is quite a bit requirement >.>
[1:40] <ShiftPlusOne> *big
[1:43] <Pingless> the openelec doesn't have apt-get installed... can anyone remind me how to install that?
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[1:43] <Pingless> or is it not a debian?
[1:44] <sraue> its not a debian
[1:44] <Pingless> oh right, which package manager does it use?
[1:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Pingless, it's not that kind of distro... it's intended JUST for xbmc and it's addons
[1:45] <Pingless> riight.
[1:45] <Pingless> so how would I install the WiFi driver?
[1:46] <GabrialDestruir> Compile it all yourself
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea
[1:46] <GabrialDestruir> That's what they like to tell me >.>
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[1:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> Is there ever really a time when "rootwait" shouldn't be specified?
[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne> arch doesn't seem to need it
[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne> no wait... it's there, nvrm.
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> I need a second Pi now to put in my second lego case.
[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne> well.. openelec doesn't seem to have it.
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[1:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha, I'm just wondering if I should move it to the kexec call for brevity
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[1:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> openelec doesn't have a root to wait for, does it?
[1:49] <sraue> Pingless, what for a wlan driver?
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> well it does, it's just in ram.
[1:49] <GabrialDestruir> Does the 5-28 version of OpenELEC work on XECLoader?
[1:49] <Pingless> sraue: Ralink RT2870
[1:50] <sraue> Pingless, i am sure its included, login via ssh and check with ifconfig if you have a wlan0 device
[1:50] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, nuh kexec breaks the videocore stuff and openelec relies on that heavily... so no, xecloader is no good for anything accelerated. I am reworking it to get around that though.
[1:51] <Pingless> sraue: you're right, and I just found the OpenELEC settings.
[1:52] <Pingless> it's not connecting though, which might be because of the power issue. I'll need to try it tomorrow with a powered hub.
[1:52] <Crenn-NAS> My Pi has finally been sent!
[1:52] <Pingless> Crenn-NAS: congrats!
[1:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> If all else fails XECLoader could just mong cmdline.txt and reboot
[1:52] <sraue> Pingless, but wlan on raspi is not tested, so not sure if it works, but there are much wlan drivers and firmwares included
[1:53] <Crenn-NAS> Pingless: Thanks, should have been sent last week but it's alright
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[1:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wait... it'd also have to copy the actual kernel over itself, eek
[1:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> XECLoader in Gadgetoid's world... can boot openelec precisely once :D
[1:54] <Pingless> right, I'm off to bed. Thanks for all the help, ShiftPlusOne and sraue.
[1:55] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
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[1:55] <Pingless> night
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[1:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, got openelec working? using switch_root?
[1:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: Haha, no... the way I'd do it would be a tremendously hacky mess of epic proportions, using cmdline.txt monging, lots of mv and a startup script in openelec to fix all the damage
[1:56] <wizkid057> got my pi finally, woot!
[1:56] * wizkid057 does a dance
[1:58] <Syliss> i still need to get a powered usb hub
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[2:00] <PhonicUK> i has a NES emulator ^_^
[2:01] <PhonicUK> and a SNES emulator! :O
[2:01] <PhonicUK> woot woooooot
[2:01] <wizkid057> got a real NES and SNES controller hooked up?
[2:01] <wizkid057> :P
[2:02] <PhonicUK> no, don;t hvae one
[2:02] <wizkid057> booo
[2:02] <wizkid057> :)
[2:02] <PhonicUK> I have a N64 controller and adapter somewhere though
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[2:11] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how many people would fall for it if I told them that using "telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu" from your Pi will get you the latest stable version of their distro? >.>
[2:12] * chris_99 downloads the latest distro now from miku.acm.uiuc.edu
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[2:13] <chris_99> ahhhhhhh, what is this witchcraft
[2:13] <GabrialDestruir> XD
[2:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> "sudo /boot/Menu.sh" now pops up the same bootup menu, and writes the choice to default.txt to be the next default upon rebooting, whee!
[2:15] <GabrialDestruir> So now you can use the menu in system?
[2:15] <PhonicUK> GabrialDestruir, better yet - tell them to
[2:16] <PhonicUK> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[2:17] <GabrialDestruir> Yea but that's just awesome.
[2:17] <GabrialDestruir> The nyan version is just annoying xD
[2:17] <PhonicUK> lol
[2:17] <PhonicUK> omg i just tried yours
[2:17] <PhonicUK> love it
[2:17] <PhonicUK> shame it can't check the window size and center accordingly
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[2:18] <IT_Sean> Hey
[2:19] <PhonicUK> GabrialDestruir, now how do I stop it? xD
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[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> Ctrl + ]
[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> then type quit
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> That'd be a great way to screw with linux admins though.... have it launch when they log in xD
[2:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> GabrialDestruir: yes, except it gives you the option to "shutdown -r now" instead of a kexec
[2:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> For headless reboots into different systems
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> Nice
[2:22] <GabrialDestruir> We just need to get OpenELEC working, lol.
[2:23] <PhonicUK> we just need accelerated X then we can be in full-awesome mode
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[2:26] <PhonicUK> anyone else played The Mana World on their Pi?
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[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> Oh!
[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> No
[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> thank you for reminding me
[2:26] <PhonicUK> its just about playable
[2:27] <GabrialDestruir> Without sound and all that stuff? :p
[2:27] <PhonicUK> sound is fine, you have to turn off transparency though
[2:27] <PhonicUK> and set details to minimum
[2:27] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs
[2:27] <GabrialDestruir> Time for a TMW overhaul with GPU support? xD
[2:28] <PhonicUK> someone already did GLES support for the Android port
[2:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> The script thus far: http://pastebin.com/3gRjCQuw
[2:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> And now, for sleep :D
[2:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> I haven't tested that script at boot time, which is why the kexec calls are commented out
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[2:31] <Wolfram74> mines in the mail!!!
[2:31] <PhonicUK> congrats
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[2:33] <Wolfram74> anybody know what newark is using to send out their units?
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[2:34] <sjennings> I got mine today from Newark by UPS
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[2:34] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, it seems removing this commit works, i must fix it manually and dont know if i have done all right, but i dont have this problem anymore and it seems the system starts faster up to the start of xbmc (dont know if its kernel related or because i removed this commit)
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[2:34] <sraue> bootc, ^^^
[2:34] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[2:35] <sraue> and my crappy ati remote works now too
[2:35] <Wolfram74> :D it's in south carolina
[2:35] <GabrialDestruir> So when does OpenELEC get XECLoader support is what I want to know >.>
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> other way around
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> Oh?
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> there's nothing wrong with openelec
[2:36] <sraue> +1
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> it's the actual kernel that's the problem
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> Ah. So it's just a matter of popping an updated one in?
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> no, tha issue hasn't been fixed
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> issue 27
[2:37] <sraue> actual kernel... so its possible it can work with a newer kernel?
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/27
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[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> well newer yes... if you 'newer' can be a potential future outsome in which issue 27 is fixed.
[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> -you
[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> *outcome
[2:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I can't type
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[2:41] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, if you want try the patch, i can provide this, but i am really unsure if its 100% right
[2:42] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, I'll stick to the 'official' kernel for now
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[2:45] <sraue> whats the best command to try the transfer rate? "dd if=/dev/zero of=test.dd bs=1M count=100" ?
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[2:46] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, http://blogofterje.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/optimizing-fs-on-sd-card/
[2:46] <ShiftPlusOne> look at the end of the post
[2:48] <sraue> thanks 8.1MB/s ... now i must test with the old kernel
[2:48] <ShiftPlusOne> better to pay attention to the time than the rate dd gives
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[2:49] <mkopack> Think I might have resolved my yaml-cpp issues
[2:50] <mkopack> it's in the middle of compiling now
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[2:52] * PhonicUK has been playing theme hospital on his Pi
[2:52] <PhonicUK> woo :D
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[2:54] <mkopack> LOL
[2:54] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, 3.2.18: 8.1MB/s real 0m21.615s user 0m0.120s sys 0m3.350s; 3.1.10: 4.0MB/s real 0m40.209s user 0m0.070s sys 0m3.270s
[2:54] <mkopack> I need to get OpenTTC + Quake up on one of mine just to show it off
[2:54] <PhonicUK> openttc works fine
[2:54] <PhonicUK> Quake 3 works well enough but not great just yet
[2:54] <mkopack> yeah, I just haven't had a chance to mess with it
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> Trying to get my Rails blog setup on my Pi
[2:54] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[2:54] <PhonicUK> *openttd
[2:55] <mkopack> Been trying to focus on getting ROS up and going
[2:55] <PhonicUK> i'm interested in emulators right now since they rapidly add a large game library each time one is workign
[2:55] <mkopack> yeah...
[2:55] <mkopack> I want to get Vice and (if it's doable) UAE running on Raspbian
[2:55] <GabrialDestruir> Which ones are working and how can I install them? >.>
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[2:56] <PhonicUK> there's VisualBoyAdvance which just works out of the box
[2:56] <mkopack> Alas though, I think the big headaches are going to continue until there's accelerated X support
[2:56] <PhonicUK> right now I'm busy compiling mednafen
[2:56] <mkopack> Yeah, I know that Stella and Vice work out of the box on the standard Debian OS build
[2:56] <PhonicUK> which does SNES/NES/Gameboy/Genesis/all sorts
[2:56] <mkopack> just apt-get install stella vice
[2:56] <SStrife> i reckon abanon X
[2:56] <SStrife> you can get great performance with SDL apps on the framebuffer
[2:57] <mkopack> Well, not sure Vice will run without X but I could be wrong
[2:57] <mkopack> It was able to run some games that I tried, but the sound was pretty bad.
[2:57] <mkopack> Stella ran no problem
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[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> I got mednafen to install, but I could figure out how to launch it.
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[2:59] <GabrialDestruir> couldnt*
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[3:00] <PhonicUK> the version that comes in apt-get is outdated and poop
[3:00] <PhonicUK> /usr/games/mednafen FILENAME
[3:00] <PhonicUK> only it wouldn't start most of the stuff i threw at it
[3:00] <SStrife> looke liks vice doesn't use SDL
[3:00] <SStrife> so i guess they do require X
[3:01] <mkopack> SStrife: yeah, I didn't think it would work without X
[3:01] <SStrife> they have an SDL version for Windows
[3:01] <mkopack> Vice will work on Debian without sound (although if I mucked with the sound buffer settings I was able to get it do sorta work on Raid over Moscow
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[3:02] <mkopack> It's just right at the performance limit of being able to handle it
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[3:02] <mkopack> So I was hoping that I could get it working on Raspbian that having the hardFP support might give it just enough headroom to do it
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[3:04] <SStrife> there is a vice-sdl package for arch
[3:04] <SStrife> so it can be done
[3:05] <SStrife> ah there it is
[3:05] <SStrife> --enable-sdlui
[3:06] <SStrife> should give you an executable that will run without X
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[3:07] <mkopack> well, I'm 100% Raspbian at this point, and there isn't a Vice build for it yet (at least not in the repository)
[3:07] <PhonicUK> so compile it yourself?
[3:08] <SStrife> ^^^ this
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[3:08] <zgreg> hmm I can't imagine vice will run well with reSID
[3:09] <zgreg> you might have more luck with fastSID, but that sounds like crap
[3:09] <mkopack> yeah, that's what I tried
[3:10] <mkopack> Had to give it huge buffers and timing tolerances and even then it popped and crackled like crazy
[3:10] <mkopack> And yeah, I know, it's on my To-do list??? ROS is #1 though
[3:10] <zgreg> does fastsid even use FP?
[3:11] <SStrife> X causes audio crackling, big time
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> does hdmi audio crackle?
[3:12] <mkopack> Dammit dammit dammit dammit!
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[3:12] <mkopack> thought I have yaml-cpp built, but ROS still doesn't see what it's looking for
[3:12] <mkopack> I'm so stumped
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[3:12] <mkopack> About ready to give up and just use the latest straight Debian build for the Pi and use that
[3:13] <mkopack> Grr
[3:13] <zgreg> as far as I can see fastsid doesn't use FP math for anything but calculating the filter coefficients
[3:13] <zgreg> so hardfp won't help you
[3:13] <mkopack> Didn't say it would
[3:14] <mkopack> MIGHT be helpful to the rest of the emulation though
[3:14] <mkopack> dunno
[3:14] <zgreg> nah, that's entirely ALU/int stuff
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[3:14] <mkopack> right now I'm just more annoyed with this yaml-cpp BS
[3:14] <mkopack> there's no FP at all? Even when emulating FP operations? I find that hard to believe
[3:15] <zgreg> FP operations... on the C64? :D
[3:15] <mkopack> hey, there WAS a FP type in C64 basic and the 6510 did have FP operations??? didn't say they were FAST
[3:15] <zgreg> err, no, the 6510 does not have any FP operations
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[3:16] <zgreg> and vice doesn't do high-level emulation, so whatever the BASIC implements does not matter
[3:16] <mkopack> then it must have done it in emulation in the basic
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[3:16] <mkopack> because I distinctly remember doing FP stuff in the C64 BASIC
[3:17] <zgreg> yeah, the BASIC supports floats pretty good
[3:17] <zgreg> not exactly IEEE 754 though :)
[3:17] <mkopack> lol yeah
[3:17] <mkopack> ok, I don't understand what the hell I'm doing wrong ...
[3:17] <zgreg> but really, generally FP performance is overrated
[3:17] <mkopack> gonna throw something in paste bin in a sec...
[3:18] <zgreg> hardfp isn't THAT much of a big deal
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[3:18] <zgreg> if you're going to use applications that make heavy use of FP they'll still be slow
[3:18] <zgreg> the FPU is just not that good
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[3:19] <mkopack> http://pastebin.com/uUZFnxFt
[3:19] <mkopack> Anyone have ideas?
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[3:19] <shirro> zgreg: it is better than a cortex a8 though
[3:19] <mkopack> Because I'm about ready to give up at this point
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[3:19] <mkopack> as simp is installed, eigen 3 is installed??? Those both seem to go ok....
[3:19] <zgreg> shirro: yeah, I have no idea what ARM were thinking
[3:20] <mkopack> I just did the cmake, make and make install for yaml-cpp
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[3:20] <zgreg> shirro: they probably thought people will use NEON instead
[3:20] <mkopack> so I don't get why that's bitching
[3:20] <zgreg> and if you use NEON, you're faster than the ARM11 again
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir> Samba Client doesn't want to install for me .-.
[3:22] <PhonicUK> GabrialDestruir, you don't need it
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[3:22] <PhonicUK> apt-get install cifs-utils
[3:22] <PhonicUK> mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/point
[3:22] <GabrialDestruir> Ah
[3:22] <GabrialDestruir> okay
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[3:22] <GabrialDestruir> Cause samb'as being a pain anyways xD
[3:22] <GabrialDestruir> samba's*
[3:23] <SStrife> i always found samba to be needlessly convoluted
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[3:25] <shirro> I really want to get gst-openmax working. I think the main issue is lack of a suitable video sink. Does anyone understand gstreamer?
[3:25] <GabrialDestruir> Now I just need to a script to run on boot that detects whether the pi is on my home network and mount it accordingly.
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[3:27] <GabrialDestruir> and XBMC for Raspbian... but that can wait.
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[3:28] <GabrialDestruir> Is there some sort of command that can be used to reinitialize HDMI? Cause I've noticed if my TV isn't on when the Pi boots, then it receives no signal from the Pi
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[3:29] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir: Yeah, mine does that sometimes if I issue a reboot command
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[3:29] <PhonicUK> GabrialDestruir, mkopack, you can force the HDMI to be on regardless
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> Not really sure if it's just the Pi not outputting or the TV not receiving.
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> I'm guessing messing with the config.txt, PhonicUK?
[3:30] <PhonicUK> yup
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> Go figure xD
[3:30] <PhonicUK> hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> I'll give it a try, see if that makes the difference.
[3:30] <PhonicUK> you'll have to reboot for that to take effect of course
[3:30] <mkopack> yeah i added that...
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> Of course.
[3:31] <PhonicUK> but you should be able to reboot with the HDMI disconnected
[3:32] <GabrialDestruir> bah wth -.-
[3:34] <GabrialDestruir> Oh wait... I know what the problem is xD
[3:36] <PhonicUK> wow, the Pi will do 120hz 720p
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[3:39] <PhonicUK> holy balls on a stick
[3:39] <GabrialDestruir> I can't use mount -t cifs
[3:39] <GabrialDestruir> Gives me error 115
[3:40] <PhonicUK> google teh error?
[3:41] <PhonicUK> hmm apparently 115 means it couldn't find the server
[3:41] <PhonicUK> try by IP instead of name and check you can ping it
[3:41] <PhonicUK> lol I'm using 203/218MB RAM and 179/256MB swap xD
[3:41] <PhonicUK> no wonder this is taking so long to compile
[3:41] <GabrialDestruir> Oh.... what... now that's odd -.-
[3:42] <PhonicUK> ?
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> I can't ping my desktop for some reason...
[3:42] <PhonicUK> tadah
[3:43] <PhonicUK> hmmm, handy
[3:43] <PhonicUK> i have a 15cm long microUSB cable
[3:44] <GabrialDestruir> It's a one way issue too -sighs-
[3:44] <GabrialDestruir> I hate these...
[3:44] <PhonicUK> if its a windows machine thats to be expected
[3:44] <PhonicUK> you need to allow ICMP traffic through the standard windows firewall
[3:45] <PhonicUK> its blocked by default
[3:45] <PhonicUK> IIRC
[3:45] <GabrialDestruir> Oh that's never a good sign.
[3:45] <GabrialDestruir> My Windows Firewall is completely f**ked
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[3:46] <PhonicUK> sleep time, night all!
[3:47] <PhonicUK> btw if you haven't already, apt-get install screen :)
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> useful little program that
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[3:52] <PhonicUK> also my favorite trick
[3:52] <PhonicUK> before doing anything CPU intensive, start up htop in a screen session
[3:52] <PhonicUK> and de-nice htop
[3:52] <PhonicUK> makes it easier to claim the system back if it becomes unresponsive
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[3:56] <Axman6> anyone tried compiling LLVM and Clang on the Pi?
[3:59] <PhonicUK> not me yet
[3:59] <PhonicUK> im busy compiling mednafen
[3:59] <PhonicUK> which is taking forever
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[4:02] <mpthompson> If shirro is around, I believe he has been working through issues with Clang.
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[4:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Is there a modern way to mount a filesystem over a directory while still keeping the files that exist within that directory? like unionfs?
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[4:02] <PhonicUK> not that I know of
[4:03] <shirro> i was but got sidetracked. clang works but if you do separate compilation if has problems at link time due to some path changes in armhf
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[4:03] <Axman6> armhf?
[4:04] <shirro> hardfloat abi - it is the variant raspbian uses
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[4:05] <shirro> clang will probably work on the squeeze but I haven't tried it
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[4:08] <shirro> ubuntu have patches for clang 3.0 on armhf but they force armv7. Just need to cherry pick stuff. I would like clang 3.1 from sid or 3.2 prpbably will be out soon. The compiler wars are great
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[4:13] <shirro> grrr. debian can be annoying sometimes. go to install sysstat and it wants to install bloody exim! Is there a dummy package that "provides" an mta for debian?
[4:14] <D34TH> debian-minimal
[4:14] <D34TH> :D
[4:14] <D34TH> idk
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[4:14] <D34TH> postfix
[4:15] <mpthompson> shirro, if I install the gcc-4.7 package, do you know what other package controls how the /usr/bin/gcc symlink is controlled?
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[4:16] <shirro> update-alternatives
[4:17] <shirro> which is part of dpkg
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[4:17] <mpthompson> ah, thanks. I'm always forgetting that.
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[4:19] <shirro> is there a way to show a dependency tree in debian so I can see which dependency for a package has a dependency on exim?
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[4:23] <mpthompson> Well, we use debcheck which kinda does that. Let me get you a specific package name...
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[4:23] <GabrialDestruir> I think I got a virus -.-
[4:23] <GabrialDestruir> Something very effectively skewered my windows firewall.
[4:23] <shirro> wow. I am learning so much on the pi. I have used debian since the 90s and have never done apt-get install --no-install-recommends
[4:24] <haroldp> w00h, I'm in the club! :)
[4:24] <shirro> haroldp: boy or girl?
[4:24] <mpthompson> shirro, try the package edos-distcheck. It is described as: Checks whether dependencies of packages can be satisfied
[4:24] <haroldp> just got my rpi in the mail.
[4:25] <GabrialDestruir> Welp... this is what I got for not installing fishy looking installs on a VM
[4:27] <D34TH> :/
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[4:30] <RFEngineer> ARM 5 or ARM 7 for the Pi?
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[4:31] <sjennings> RFEngineer. ARMv6
[4:31] <GabrialDestruir> ARM 6
[4:31] <mpthompson> ARMv6...
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[4:31] <RFEngineer> crap
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[4:33] <RFEngineer> Thanks for all the responses..... back to the drawing board.
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[4:38] <wizkid057> so, now that I have the pi.... i'm not sure what project to implement it in
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[4:46] <mkopack> wizkid: Well, what dod yuou have in mind when you ordered it?
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[4:48] <wizkid057> mkopack: thats a very good question
[4:48] <wizkid057> i can not recall, been like, 3 months... lol
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[4:48] <mkopack> lol
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[4:48] <mkopack> Well, I have a number of projects (and nowhere near enough time to do them all!)
[4:48] <slide> So I just got my pi, installed the debian release to the sd card, plugged it in along with ethernet and hdmi and then plugged the power it but i cant tell that anything is happening
[4:49] <mkopack> dig around on the forums, there's plenty of discussions of different things people are doing
[4:49] <mkopack> slide: Did the Red power light come on?
[4:49] <slide> yes
[4:49] <mkopack> Did the green light blink at all ?
[4:49] <slide> no
[4:50] <mkopack> Ok, then it sounds like it's not reading your card. take the power out, take the card out, DOUBLE check the card has the 2 proper partitions on it in your machine that you used to write the image with
[4:50] <mkopack> what kind of card are you using?
[4:50] <mkopack> Is it class 4 or 6?
[4:50] <slide> Its a transcend 8GB micro HC card in an adapter, can it not read HC?
[4:51] <mkopack> SDHC works
[4:51] <mkopack> micro should work as well
[4:51] <mkopack> What class ?
[4:51] <slide> let me find out
[4:51] <mkopack> (It should have a little c with a 4 or 6 or 10 inside the C
[4:51] <slide> 6
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[4:52] <mkopack> ok, then you (generally) should be good. So double check your partitions and make sure the data got written to the card correctly
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[4:52] <slide> i used windows and the win32diskimage program to write the downloaded debian image
[4:52] <mkopack> You should have 2 (3 with linux-swap) on there??? first should be a small FAT partition, the 2nd should be an EXT-based one
[4:53] <mkopack> Well, put the card in, you SHOULD be able to see at least the first partition which is FAT
[4:53] <mkopack> make sure there's a few files in there
[4:53] <slide> yea i can see the first partition
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[4:53] <mkopack> Hmmm??? Ok, well, try it again??? and make sure your monitor is on before you power up the RPi, and you have the card fully seated in the SD slot + adaptor as well
[4:53] <slide> 46.9MB of 74.4
[4:54] <mkopack> Yup,sounds right
[4:54] <slide> k
[4:54] <mkopack> the Pi seems to be rather picky about cards???
[4:54] <mkopack> I have one that works perfect in my Pandaboard but doesn't work at all in my Rpi
[4:54] <mkopack> either of them
[4:55] <mkopack> (and OMG what a big performance difference Raspian + SSD + the 800Mhz OC makes vs Debian/SD/700Mhz
[4:55] <sjennings> yes, I got my Pi today and my card worked enough to get the kernel but I was getting all kinds of mmc0 errors after the driver loaded during boot
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[4:55] <sjennings> just ended up NFS booting
[4:55] <mkopack> yeah
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[4:56] <mkopack> Apparently the newer kernels have some fixes for that
[4:56] <mkopack> Installing Hexxeh's rpi-update tool will fetch those for you
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[4:58] <GabrialDestruir> I hate when windows gets "Literal" with their pop-ups
[4:59] <GabrialDestruir> "Your Documents are unaffected" and EVERYTHING I've done, moving files, readjusting things, etc, is undone. -.-
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[5:02] <slide23> ok second try on a Kingston 8GB SDHC class 6
[5:03] <slide23> should i see the green light instantly?
[5:03] <mkopack> within a couple seconds??? it's the drive activity light
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[5:03] <slide23> bah let me go try this in lnux
[5:03] <mkopack> and your monitor/display should show a color box on the screen before you start seeing the boot info
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[5:03] <GabrialDestruir> Well whatever killed my firewall was preventing any connections to my pc
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[5:04] <GabrialDestruir> that seems odd for a virus/malware .-.
[5:04] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir: You have a lightning strike?
[5:04] <mkopack> or you thinking virus?
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[5:04] <GabrialDestruir> I'm thinking Virus cause I got a bunch of Virus warnings from my AV over the past few days.
[5:04] <mkopack> I swear, the jerks who write viruses and malware should be hung upside-down from their toenails
[5:05] <mkopack> and whipped repeatedly with a rubber hose
[5:05] <GabrialDestruir> Eh... it's the malicious ones that bug me -.-
[5:06] <GabrialDestruir> The kind that go disabling firewalls, and breaking crap for the sake of breaking it.
[5:06] <mkopack> I feel they ALL are ??? If they're not stealing your money and ID and such, then if nothing else, they're stealing cycles and bandwidth
[5:06] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, true.
[5:07] <mkopack> It's like they were never taught the difference between right and wrong and respecting other people's property and privacy...
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[5:08] <GabrialDestruir> You know.... I want to make a viral anti-virus one of these days....
[5:08] <GabrialDestruir> A virus that spreads itself through viral means, but instead of doing all the bad crap or w/e.
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[5:08] <mkopack> I wonder how they'd like it if I just stormed into their house, ate their food, left a mess all over the place, stole some $$ out of their wallet and basically just made their life hell for a while?
[5:08] <GabrialDestruir> It just wipes out all other malware/viruses/etc and deletes itself.
[5:09] <mkopack> But somehow because they do it in cyberspace instead of physically in my home, it's ok...
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[5:10] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose though for the perfect viral anti-viral you'd need a way to keep it up to date, and prevent as many false positives as possible.
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[5:17] <slide> hrm nope using dd in linux didnt help
[5:18] <GabrialDestruir> Finally got my shares fixed up.
[5:18] <mkopack> sounds like it doesn't like your card then
[5:18] <mkopack> sorry!
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[5:18] <slide> both my cards heh
[5:18] <mkopack> Hmm???
[5:18] <GabrialDestruir> But now I forgot what I was trying to mount them xD
[5:18] <mkopack> give raspbian a try. Don't know if it'll make any difference, but worth a try, right?
[5:18] <mkopack> raspbian.org
[5:18] <mkopack> I'm using Hexxeh's image
[5:19] <slide> k
[5:20] <GabrialDestruir> Ha
[5:20] <mkopack> Only other possibility is that it doesn't like your power adaptor...
[5:20] <GabrialDestruir> got mana up and running.
[5:20] <mkopack> You're using something that puts out 5V 1000ma (1A) right?
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[5:21] <haroldp> will an rpi post without an sd card in it?
[5:21] <mkopack> Nope
[5:21] <mkopack> don't believe so
[5:21] <shirro> haroldp: it has no post. no card - no booty
[5:22] <haroldp> good. cause mine isn't :)
[5:22] <shirro> writing you card on a desktop or laptop?
[5:22] <mkopack> be good and sure you have that SD card seated fulling in
[5:22] <mkopack> fully
[5:23] <shirro> cos I think a lot of desktop sd readers are sucky
[5:23] <mkopack> and are you resizing the 2nd partition after doing the dd ?
[5:23] <GabrialDestruir> Where can I load a boot up script for the raspberry pi?
[5:23] <mkopack> if so, try getting it going without resizing after DD
[5:24] <shirro> you want a script to run on boot?
[5:24] <slide> hrm the adapter says 1A.... let me try my iphone adapter it should work riught?
[5:25] <mkopack> yeah, that's what I use
[5:25] <mkopack> only other variable in there might be a crappy cable
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[5:26] <GabrialDestruir> "How DARE you interrupt me! "
[5:26] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[5:27] <slide> ok second cable no change heh
[5:29] <mkopack> Well, sounds like it's the card then??? You have any other SD cards around? Like in a digital camera or anything like that?
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[5:32] <slide> yea i took the one out of my digital camera already hehe
[5:33] <slide> the debian image needs at least 2GB?
[5:33] <mkopack> yeah
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[5:34] <slide> is there a list somewhere of ones that are known to work or not?
[5:35] <mkopack> yeah, think there's one up on the raspberry pi wiki
[5:35] <mkopack> but even that is hit or miss I think
[5:35] <mkopack> I would stay away from microSD in general - that adaptors just give 1 more thing that could go wrong
[5:35] <mkopack> plus they tend to be slower than full SD
[5:35] <slide> well the one from my camera is a normal sd card
[5:36] <GabrialDestruir> Okay...
[5:36] <GabrialDestruir> This program is officially scary xD
[5:36] <mkopack> ?
[5:36] <GabrialDestruir> Depending on how you kill it while it's running it says different things.
[5:37] <GabrialDestruir> Like I killed it using killall and it says "MUST TERMINATE ALL HUMANS"
[5:37] <mkopack> lol
[5:38] <GabrialDestruir> and before that it was "How DARE you interrupt me!"
[5:39] <mkopack> Christ this is going to take FOREVER to try to install ROS on this debian running off the SD card. Holy F it's SO much slower
[5:41] <Big-Al> GabrialDestruir you can find a bart pe or hirens boot cd with an antivirus and malware bytes
[5:41] <mkopack> Thinking I need to invest in a couple more of these smallish SSD's and USB sleds??? and powered USB hubs
[5:41] <Big-Al> if you boot from cd you can scan the drive the lazy way
[5:42] <Big-Al> to get some virus/spyware thing off
[5:43] <mkopack> Damn, you did get some nasty stuff, didn't ya? This is why I don't run windows anymore
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[5:45] <mkopack> well, good luck!
[5:45] <mkopack> I'm heading to bed
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[5:45] <Big-Al> another simple thing is to echo all your filesystem to a .txt file .. from the boot cd and then from the real windows and do a file compare ... they gotta be the same or the hidden files you dont see in windows are the bad things
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[5:46] <shirro> Big-Al: or use hashes
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[5:47] <slide> aha!
[5:48] <slide> yay got it loading :D
[5:48] <slide> hexxehs image worked
[5:48] <slide> well
[5:48] <slide> its now getting mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
[5:48] <shirro> don't worry. i get those
[5:48] <slide> restart it?
[5:49] <shirro> mine just continues usually
[5:49] <slide> its gone through like 8 pages of that lol
[5:49] <shirro> not so good
[5:50] <slide> ha
[5:50] <slide> ha
[5:50] <slide> er
[5:50] <slide> removed that one and plugged in the other card (with the official debian release)
[5:50] <slide> and it loaded
[5:51] <slide> (after it booted with the hexxeh disk)
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[5:51] <GabrialDestruir> I need to create a mount strip so that I can detect a server and specific shares or external USB drive and specific folders and have them mount to the same places.
[5:55] <slide> awesome im in ha
[5:55] <slide> a bit weird having to boot up with hexxeh and then switch out to the normal debian card
[5:55] <GabrialDestruir> script not strip .-.
[5:58] <slide> thanks for the helps
[5:59] <Ricksl> Anyone have experience with qemu, i can't seem to configure usb passthrough.
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[6:08] <GabrialDestruir> Is there a way to check if a Samba share exists before trying to mount it?
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[6:18] <Xpl01t> a
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[6:23] <mobigenuity> Hello folks
[6:23] <slide> has anyone had a problem with the debian image in x? ive run startx and the logo comes up and some black bar on the bottom keeps flashing on and off
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[6:25] <GabrialDestruir> smbclient : Depends: samba-common (= 2:3.6.5-1) but 2:3.6.5-3 is to be installed
[6:26] <mobigenuity> Random question for you folks, is the pi no longer for sale?
[6:27] <GabrialDestruir> It's for sale
[6:27] <GabrialDestruir> Just on backorder
[6:27] <GabrialDestruir> by months
[6:27] <Big-Al> they cant make enough of em mobigenuity
[6:27] <Big-Al> i want mine also
[6:27] <Big-Al> but ima canadian so we will be last
[6:27] <mobigenuity> Perhaps my mobile theme obfuscated the buy button....I shall look from home shortly
[6:28] <mobigenuity> Is there a reseller program for volume orders?
[6:28] <GabrialDestruir> Not at the moment.
[6:29] <slide> is there a way to play a mkv directly from the command line?
[6:29] <GabrialDestruir> try aplay
[6:29] <mobigenuity> Ah ok thank you gabrial
[6:30] <mobigenuity> Are you part of the company by chance or just a user?
[6:30] <slide> GabrialDestruir, any idea what package that is a part of? i dont see it in apt
[6:31] <GabrialDestruir> User
[6:31] <GabrialDestruir> no clue slide
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[6:31] <mobigenuity> Kk cool thanks again
[6:32] <ShiftPlusOne> mobigenuity, you want omxplayer, not sure if it's in the repos yet
[6:32] <slide> ah, alsa-utils
[6:33] <ShiftPlusOne> *slide
[6:34] <slide> is there a deb somewhere i can download?
[6:35] <slide> ah found a bin i think
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[6:39] <neofutur> (07:21) <+ Big-Al> i want mine also
[6:39] <neofutur> fyi i waited 4 months to be allowed to order one
[6:40] <neofutur> now have to wait 4 more weeks for delivery
[6:41] <neofutur> you can gie your email on http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/ and wait for them to contact you when you can order
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[6:43] <slide> hrm though weird im getting, omxplayer.bin: undefined symbol: pcre_free
[6:45] <GabrialDestruir> Why doesn't a binary package of xbmc exist yet? .-.
[6:47] <slide> are you compiling it by chance? want to save me some time lol
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[6:48] <ShiftPlusOne> slide, no, GabrialDestruir is alergic to compiling
[6:48] <slide> ha
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[6:48] <GabrialDestruir> I am highly allergic to compiling
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[6:48] <GabrialDestruir> I go near a compiler and I break out.
[6:49] <slide> anyone else already compiled xbmc?
[6:50] <GabrialDestruir> Not as stand alone it looks like. Though there are some instructions how to do it on the forums.
[6:51] <slide> yea ive started following http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3669512/stable/xbmc_build.txt
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[6:52] <slide> hrm
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[6:58] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently that uses nfs boot and such
[7:00] <slide> yea which i dont want
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[7:01] <GabrialDestruir> Same, just want an xbmc binary I can run ontop of Raspbian when I'm not using LXDE
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[7:10] <GabrialDestruir> Wait... hulu on the Pi has been ruled out?
[7:10] <GabrialDestruir> I guess someone forgot to tell OpenELEC
[7:10] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[7:19] <SStrife> yay, my second pi just arrived on my desk :D
[7:19] <UnderSampled> second?
[7:19] <SStrife> yessm
[7:19] <UnderSampled> what about firsts?
[7:19] <SStrife> i got that 2 weeks ago
[7:19] <SStrife> 2-and-a-bit really
[7:19] <GabrialDestruir> I need a second Pi to fill my second Pi case I have
[7:20] <UnderSampled> and how am I supposed to get a first one?
[7:20] <GabrialDestruir> Go back in time and order it 3 months ago.
[7:20] <UnderSampled> :(
[7:20] <GabrialDestruir> Or order now and wait 3 months
[7:20] <UnderSampled> people couldn't order three months ago
[7:21] <GabrialDestruir> Yes they could.
[7:21] <GabrialDestruir> The Pi went on sale 3 months 19 minutes ago, exactly.
[7:21] <GabrialDestruir> 20*
[7:21] <UnderSampled> no, it was sold 3 months ago
[7:22] <UnderSampled> if even that
[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> It went on sale Feburary 29th 2012 at 10PM PST so that's 3 months 21 minutes.
[7:24] <UnderSampled> If I ordered now, could I get it by pi day?
[7:24] <UnderSampled> june 28th
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> That's not Pi day
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> and no
[7:25] <UnderSampled> would you prefer I call it tou day?
[7:25] <UnderSampled> to me, tou looks like half a pi, not the other way around
[7:26] <UnderSampled> ;)
[7:27] <GabrialDestruir> Tau
[7:27] <GabrialDestruir> Double of Pi
[7:28] <GabrialDestruir> They're expected to get caught up on orders sometime between August and October last I heard.
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[7:28] <ShiftPlusOne> UnderSampled, what you call it is not a matter of preference... tau and pi are clearly different, well defined, values.
[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> but yes, tau is superior in every way.
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[7:29] <ShiftPlusOne> though you're free to call it 2pi day.
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[7:31] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if it'd be worth the hassle to register interest for a second Pi
[7:32] <UnderSampled> ShiftPlusOne: Well yes, but then, basically anthing but pi and e are used for many different meanings based on context
[7:33] <UnderSampled> but the only two reasons I can give for why the symbol pi is more awesome is that it looks cooler, and that people like it's jokability
[7:33] <UnderSampled> not confusing people is a good idea
[7:33] <ShiftPlusOne> sure but you can't just call June 28th pi day, because that's just objectively wrong.
[7:33] <GabrialDestruir> Phi is where it's at.
[7:34] <UnderSampled> aye
[7:34] <UnderSampled> two phi is a doubletree
[7:34] <UnderSampled> ;)
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[7:35] <UnderSampled> well, goodnight
[7:36] <GabrialDestruir> Eh
[7:36] <GabrialDestruir> there interest registered.... guess we'll see where it goes from there.
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[8:19] <saty> can anyone tell me how to remove error missing libusb in debian rspi?
[8:19] <saty> @ivan
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[8:22] <GabrialDestruir> Install lsusb
[8:22] <GabrialDestruir> :p
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[8:54] <saty> anyone there??
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[8:54] <ShiftPlusOne> saty, ?
[8:55] <saty> i'm trying to install a library in pi but its giving me error libusb missing
[8:55] <tech2077> install libusb
[8:55] <saty> i wanted to install libftdi which need libusb
[8:56] <saty> yeah i did
[8:56] <tech2077> which version
[8:56] <saty> 0.1
[8:56] <tech2077> you need a more recent one
[8:56] <tech2077> what distro are you on
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[8:56] <saty> i'm usingdebian
[8:56] <Cheery> hi
[8:56] <tech2077> apt-cache libusb
[8:56] <tech2077> apt-cache search libusb
[8:57] <saty> okey trying that also
[8:57] <tech2077> sorry, due the second one
[8:57] <tech2077> you should find the name of something like libusb-1.0.0 or similar i believe
[8:57] <saty> so which arct file i should download
[8:58] <saty> i installed armel for version 0.1
[8:58] <tech2077> you should be able to do:
[8:58] <tech2077> apt-get install libusb-1.0.0
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[8:58] <saty> actually i dont have internet on pi.
[8:59] <saty> so downloading and transferring to it using ssh through putty
[8:59] <saty> and installing..
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[8:59] <saty> so i dont the which arch i should download
[8:59] <shirro> would be easier on a network as apt-get will sort out all the dependencies for you
[9:00] <saty> yeah but i dont have net access for pi :(
[9:01] <tech2077> armel may/should work
[9:01] <shirro> I can't even imagine that. patch cable - switch - done.
[9:01] <ShiftPlusOne> why don't you have internet, but only ssh?
[9:02] <saty> i dont have wired internet here..only wireless
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[9:02] <shirro> connection sharing?
[9:02] <GabrialDestruir> Trying to setup znc on my Pi xD
[9:02] <ShiftPlusOne> but what is the ethernet port on the pi connected to and why don't you use connection sharing?
[9:02] <tech2077> you can do the trick i did
[9:02] <tech2077> qemu + chroot
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[9:03] <tech2077> not particularly complicated
[9:03] <saty> i tried sharing on through windows 7 ..but its not able to ping anything
[9:04] <tech2077> ah
[9:05] <ShiftPlusOne> might be worth getting that sorted before you do anything else... I am sure it is less of a headache to get connection sharing working than living without the connection.
[9:06] <saty> okey thanks i'll try connection sharing again..
[9:07] <tech2077> saty, you don't have a switch or router?
[9:07] <saty> i have i spare router ..
[9:07] <stephan48> saty: you rebooted your pi after enabling connection sharing?
[9:07] <stephan48> and set it to dhcp?
[9:07] <saty> no...
[9:08] <stephan48> try that
[9:08] <stephan48> cause connection sharing enabled a dhcp server
[9:08] <tech2077> use your spare router, even if it's a bit inconveniencing, seems easier than internet sharing
[9:08] <stephan48> when your pi doesnt pickup its ip then i?t doesnt work
[9:08] <saty> i'm set it in static because i need to know the ip to connect through ssh
[9:09] <saty> yeah thats a good option
[9:09] <stephan48> and also remember to select the device you get internet over as host for connection sharing and then select the interface the pi is on
[9:09] <stephan48> what type of router?
[9:09] <tech2077> just type hostname, then in the ip section of put, put the hostname
[9:09] <stephan48> jup but thats the problem
[9:10] <saty> its INTELLENET 802.11 b/g/n router
[9:10] <saty> thanks a lot..
[9:11] <stephan48> the ip you choose doesnt conform to the net of the one connection sharing is using thus windows 7/the pi doesnt know where to route packets
[9:13] <saty> but for pi made my pc as gateway...i gave windows 7 as and gave pi ip ..is that wrong?
[9:13] <saty> i guess thats should work
[9:13] <Ben64> you should just use the router
[9:13] <tech2077> just use the router
[9:14] <saty> okey ..
[9:14] <tech2077> finding the ip of the pi is simpler than this
[9:14] <tech2077> do you know the hostname of your pi?
[9:14] <stephan48> saty: nope
[9:14] <stephan48> saty: wont work
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[9:14] <Ben64> could also set static ip
[9:14] <stephan48> saty: internet connection sharing acts basically as a router
[9:14] <tech2077> just address it by hostname
[9:15] <tech2077> should work on any decent/useable ssh client
[9:15] <stephan48> all clients on the nic your pi is connected to have their own network
[9:15] <Axman6> I have my pi!
[9:15] <Axman6> now to get the SD cards working...
[9:15] <saty> okey..right thanks a lot
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[9:42] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, what's the purpose of OVERLAY_DIR?
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[9:48] <GabrialDestruir> Is it possible to mount on folder to another? Or do you have to do symlinks?
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[9:55] <Ben64> check the mount manual for bind
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[9:58] <GabrialDestruir> Sweet, thanks.
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[10:05] <gordonDrogon> moning peeps... busy day here at Drogon towers. Not sure if that's good or bad ;-)
[10:06] <zag2> morning
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[10:10] <Veryevil> Morning all
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[10:17] <KrnlPanic> G'd morning Veryevil
[10:17] <KrnlPanic> G'd mornin' gordonDrogon
[10:17] <Veryevil> Hey
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[11:04] <SStrife> I really don't know what to do with two Pi's :S
[11:04] <GabrialDestruir> Sell one to me.
[11:04] <KrnlPanic> I really want 1 Pi!
[11:05] <SStrife> i mean, i know that eventually I'll have one in some permanent role, and the other for tinkering
[11:05] <KrnlPanic> Order placed Mar 17, Expected Ship Date June 18
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> Yea, I'll have 3 soon ... :)
[11:05] <SStrife> niiice
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[11:05] <fALSO> has anyone yet done anything "usefull" with a pi ?
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> One is going to a local project though - it'll be controlling a remote weather station
[11:05] <fALSO> im still waiting for drivers
[11:06] <drazyl> define useful
[11:06] <fALSO> to think of buying one
[11:06] <GabrialDestruir> define useful
[11:06] <fALSO> doing something more than my wrt54g router does
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> I guess that's usefull - but in reality any old Linux PC could do that role, but I think it'll be nice to get this wall mounted if possible and on display.
[11:06] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Damn you multi-Pi people :D
[11:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'd love one to test up my boot scripts without killing my Pi-website
[11:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Speaking of which, any XECLoader users feeling brave?
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> 2 is handy right now to test the difference between Debian and Raspbian.
[11:07] <SStrife> i thought I'd get a USB to OBD cable, and build some kind of pseudo-HUD type thing for my car
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> OBD? is tha the on-board car control diagnostics stuff?
[11:08] <GabrialDestruir> If a Pi can replace your router that IS useful.
[11:08] <SStrife> Exactly. OBD - On Boar Diagnostics.
[11:08] <SStrife> On Board*
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, Pi not good as a router IMO.
[11:08] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I've put together this Menu.sh with sanity checks, and it can also be run when booted to change the default boot option: http://pastebin.com/3gRjCQuw
[11:09] <GabrialDestruir> Probably not.
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[11:10] <GabrialDestruir> But people going "Oh it does nothing useful" are just being silly.
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> so that's run with init=/bin/bash -c script from the first booted kernel?
[11:10] <GabrialDestruir> That's like loading up linux on a desktop and saying "Yea.... but what does it do?"
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> it's getting thousands more people exposed to Linux and I think that's useful ;-)
[11:11] <GabrialDestruir> I think the fact it has a mostly stable XBMC distro for a Media Center makes it useful.... but apparently that somehow defeats the purpose.
[11:12] <GabrialDestruir> I've seen people host websites on it, using ruby, or some sort of web shell based terminal, yet I wouldn't necessarily call those useful.
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> it's a "nice to have" for some people, but I don't know if that's going to be the majority or not...
[11:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The Pi has taught me a lot of little linux tricks??? well not taught so much as forced me to learn??? I've been using linux for over a decade and not bash scripted for example
[11:12] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, that might be the better option, but Menu.sh is loaded from a buildroot rc script.
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, that is good - I've been using Linux/Unix for 30 years now ... still learning too!
[11:13] <GabrialDestruir> There's others who are busy making projects out of it, like someone's making a bird webcam feed from it.
[11:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: amazing how deep this stuff is??? I haven't scratched the protective film on the surface :D
[11:13] <GabrialDestruir> I wouldn't necessarily call that useful though it is a good project.
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> yea, a bird webcam feed is easier to do with an outdoor IP enabled camera ...
[11:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I, for one, am using the Pi to push the boundaries of my own knowledge and then distilling that into blog-posts that I hope will one day be useful to someone learning on it
[11:14] <GabrialDestruir> You should send me that app for your site so I can tinker with it :p
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> I love learing new stuff, but it's been hard for me to find enough time (damn work :)
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[11:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> With Fedora 17 rocking Ruby 1.9 a simple Yum install way I'm really feeling the need to evangelise the whole Ruby aspect of learning on the Pi, too :D
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> I wanted (still want) to write a different device driver for the gpio just to learn a bit about Linux device drivers, even though it's not the "done way" aparently..
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> I want the world to re-learn BASIC too :)
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[11:15] <GabrialDestruir> No
[11:15] <GabrialDestruir> Basic...
[11:15] <GabrialDestruir> horrible
[11:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I've been using work to learn new stuff lately, too, I'm pushing the boundaries and massively improving our products by throwing caution to the wind
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> My BASIC - Nice :)
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[11:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I really need to find the time to play with your BASIC!
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> I wish I could get paid for some of the stuff I really enjoy :) Made a bad business decision some years back and now regretting it, but I have to stick with it for now.
[11:17] <GabrialDestruir> Take whatever it is you enjoy
[11:17] <GabrialDestruir> and find a way to turn a profit :p
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> I thought I could - 5 years ago when I first got into VoIP...
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[11:21] <KrnlPanic> I love BASIC
[11:21] <KrnlPanic> I dev basic on my Android
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> Android has a BASIC? Porting mine to Android is on my to-do list.
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> Hm. think I've just solved my SDL problems.
[11:25] <SStrife> gpu accelerated sdl???
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> not yet, however... a few issues. One is that I was using 32bpp - the framebuffer is only 16bpp.
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> the other is that in 16bpp I was getting bad flickering - and I worked out that SDL was writing to the framebuffer directly.
[11:26] <SStrife> ah yes
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> I was using SDL_DOUBLEBUFF - but if I turn that off, then no flickering.
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> So I wonder if that flag is not being interpreter correctly in SDL.
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> and it's still quite fast. Actually I'm impressed by it's new speed. mostly due to using 16bpp, so SDL isn't doing a conversion from a 32bpp buffer to a 16bpp one on every frame.
[11:27] <SStrife> hmm
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> I'm anmating 100 100x100 sprites on 1280x1024 and it's performing well (in BASIC)
[11:27] <SStrife> i wonder if that's causing my performance issues with DosBox and ScummVM
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> If they (whoever they are!) can get the GPU to pretend to be a 2D acellerated frame buffer - even just just implementing a BLIT in the GPU then a lot of SDL programs will go much faster.
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> To put up a sprite in my framework needs 3 blits - one to save the background, one to put the sprite up again, and a 3rd to restore the background afterwards.
[11:30] <shirro> you could just draw 200 triangles on the screen on the screen. The Pi has quite a good way of doing that :-)
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> Hm. but I don't want triangles, I want my sprites :)
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> and my MTV.
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[11:33] <zgreg> just draw two triangles to make a quad, that's your sprite
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[11:34] <gordonDrogon> Er....
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> so square space invaders... makes a change, I guess :)
[11:35] <zgreg> ever heard of alpha transparency? :)
[11:35] <zgreg> and textures? :)
[11:36] <zgreg> opengl es is fine for 2d graphics, but it cannot be used like a blitter
[11:36] <zgreg> opengl es 1.x even includes a really, really simple way to put textures onto the screen
[11:37] <zgreg> http://www.khronos.org/registry/gles/extensions/OES/OES_draw_texture.txt
[11:37] <zgreg> I'm not sure if it is supported with the VideoCore IV implementation, but most implementations do support it
[11:39] <Kolin> IT HAS ARIVED!
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[11:40] <amelia_> Kolin: congrats
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[11:42] <urs> Kolin: welcome to the owner's club then. :)
[11:42] <Kolin> thanks :)
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[11:44] <einonm> Hi there, has anyone got an NFS root dir working with the Debian distro yet?
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[11:47] <SStrife> einonm: My friend at work is using that functionality
[11:47] <SStrife> with raspbian
[11:49] <einonm> @SStrife ok thanks, do you know if it has been seen working on the basic Debian(6-19-04-2012) raspi distro? Mine boots, but stalls soon after mounting the NFS
[11:50] <SStrife> ah, not that I know of, he and I have only been using raspbian
[11:50] <SStrife> sorry :-/
[11:51] <einonm> No probs! I'll try raspbian to validate my setup is good. It may well be something in the Debian distro that fails with NFS
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[11:52] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, hi - sorry been elsewhere. I'm using SDL - 100% not intersted in anything else right now. SDL handles transparency just fine. my sprites float over the background with ease.
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> I've had NFS mounting OK on the Pi, but not had root mounted yet.
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[12:17] <dwatkins> I used to work with clusters which mounted root via NFS, I wonder if someone will try and build a cluster of RaspPis ;-)
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[12:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I think I've tried to adjust the volume on my music player 4 times using the keys on my keyboard??? deerrrr
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[12:20] <dwatkins> I assume your keyboard doesn't actually have volume keys, Gadgetoid_mbp.
[12:20] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dwatkins: Ah, yes, it does??? it's just the keyboard isn't connected to the music player in any way shape or form :D
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[12:20] <dwatkins> ah I see, separate devices, yes.
[12:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yes, for the ultimate derp!
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[12:21] <dwatkins> I was pleasantly surprised that my dog-tag bluetooth headphone adapter can change the volume on my Mac
[12:21] <Adya> Hello everybody:)
[12:21] <dwatkins> I wonder how well bluetooth integration works on Debian and other distros the Pi runs
[12:21] <dwatkins> hi Adya :)
[12:23] <Adya> I've got 2 questions - how can I make my raspberry pi playing mp3 and what cheap wifi dongle can I use with it.
[12:24] <Adya> Hexxeh told me about this channel:)
[12:24] <drazyl> Adya what are you planning to playing mp3's through?
[12:25] <Adya> Through debian, better through GUI.
[12:25] <Adya> Or, in terminal
[12:25] <drazyl> no, I meant, through an amp connected via hdmi, head phones thru 3.5mm jack, etc
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[12:26] <Adya> On my TV , connected via HDMI
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[12:27] <drazyl> should be fine, what do you consider a cheap wifi dongle?
[12:27] <Adya> Cause there are no sounds on pi - on sounds in music player, no sounds in quake...
[12:28] <Adya> *not on but no
[12:29] <RITRedbeard> man I bet Cheery is using raspberry pi to build guiance system for finnish balistic missile program
[12:29] <Adya> I want to have a wifi on pi. What model do you use?
[12:33] <Habbie> Adya, are you running the official debian image? if so, have you loaded the sound driver?
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[12:39] <drazyl> Adya planning on using an edimax ew-7811un which others have got working, but it's being difficult at the moment, so can't recommend it right now
[12:39] <lolrp> adya
[12:39] <Adya> Yes, i'm using official debian
[12:39] <lolrp> look at this list for wifi dongles
[12:39] <lolrp> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
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[12:40] <Adya> No, I didn't download any drivers
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[12:41] <Adya> Thanks dazyl
[12:41] <Adya> Thanks lolrp:)
[12:41] <Adya> And what about sounds?
[12:42] <Adya> What drivers should I download?
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[12:45] <Adya> A?
[12:45] <Habbie> Adya, modprobe snd_bcm2835
[12:47] <Adya> I'll try in a second
[12:47] <RITRedbeard> I heard the raspberry pi factory blew up.
[12:48] <Adya> WHAT?
[12:49] <Adya> Habbie, can I has an Internet for this command?:)
[12:49] <Jay7> Hi, ppl, I just wish to make announce from kexecboot team. We'd prefer to have all work to be mainlined. So feel free to join our channel and ask questions/make comments/etc :)
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[12:49] <Jay7> (I've seen you have wondered by kexecboot) :)
[12:50] <Habbie> Adya, glad you asked!
[12:50] <Habbie> Adya, i hope http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1097 suffices :)
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[12:56] <SStrife> RITRedbeard: I see you trollin'
[12:56] <RITRedbeard> you see me trollin'
[12:56] <RITRedbeard> they hatin'
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[12:56] <RITRedbeard> patrollin'
[12:56] <RITRedbeard> tryin to catch me ridin' dirty
[12:57] <SStrife> look at me, i'm white and nerdy
[12:57] <RITRedbeard> Shouldn't it be CStrife?
[12:57] <SStrife> they see me roll on, my segway...
[12:58] <SStrife> :)
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[12:58] * gordonDrogon sighs
[12:58] <RITRedbeard> BRAVER
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> just read another "customer" the riot act..
[12:58] <RITRedbeard> the riot act?
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> getting annoyed with people who don't pay now )-:
[12:59] <RITRedbeard> George Carlin: It's like the Riot Act. The Riot Act. They always tell you they're gonna read that to you. Have you heard this thing at all?
[12:59] <RITRedbeard> Like when you're a kid, they threaten you.
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> I manage/host the servers that this customer bases all their business on... you'd think paying me to keep them going would be a priority...
[13:00] <RITRedbeard> [as scolding mother]
[13:00] <RITRedbeard> George Carlin: "You wait 'til your father gets home. He's gonna read you the riot act!"
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[13:00] <RITRedbeard> George Carlin: "Tell him I already read it myself. And I didn't like it, either; I consider it wordy and poorly thought out. He wants to read me something, how about 'The Gentlemen's Guide to the Golden Age of Blowjobs'?"
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> ok, it's just an expression. no need to go on about it.
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[13:02] <RITRedbeard> I know.
[13:02] <RITRedbeard> But I think it's funny.
[13:03] <Adya> Tell me once more please, modprobe bcm what?
[13:03] <Adya> What should I enter here
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[13:04] <arfonzo> Does anyone have suggestions for sysctl.conf settings such as vm.swappiness and vm.vfs_cache_pressure? I have a small swap on SD (priority 0), with larger swap on USB (pri 10)
[13:04] <SStrife> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos
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[13:05] <SStrife> You know, this wouldn't have been a *huge* budget production
[13:05] <Adya> So, what bcm?
[13:05] <SStrife> but it's closer to being factually accurate than, well, any multi-million dollar movie these days
[13:06] <Habbie> bcm is broadcom
[13:06] <RITRedbeard> I thought it was bit-cookie monster
[13:06] <Adya> No
[13:06] <Adya> What command should I enter
[13:06] <Adya> ?
[13:06] <SStrife> it's in that link that was posted earlier
[13:07] <SStrife> by Habbie
[13:07] <RITRedbeard> man modprobe?
[13:07] <Adya> No
[13:07] <Adya> Bcm and what is next?
[13:08] <SStrife> Adya: [20:48] <+Habbie> Adya, i hope http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1097 suffices :)
[13:08] <SStrife> the command you need is on that page
[13:08] <Adya> I am from mobile
[13:08] <Adya> And command isn't showing in Opera Mini
[13:09] <SStrife> scroll to the bottom
[13:09] <SStrife> The alpha-quality ALSA driver included in this release is disabled by default. Type
[13:09] <SStrife> modprobe snd_bcm2835
[13:09] <SStrife> to enable it.
[13:09] <RITRedbeard> equip the correct materia
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[13:12] <oldman47> How do Install xbmc onto my Debian squeeze os?
[13:12] <RITRedbeard> :(
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[13:21] <Adya> Holy shit!
[13:22] <Adya> It's working!
[13:22] <Adya> I'm happy so much!
[13:22] <urs> Adya: watch out with the volume controls though... they're a little... unpredictable.
[13:22] <Adya> So, next step:)
[13:22] <SStrife> and the language, this channel is supposed to be kid friendly
[13:22] <Adya> Unpredictable? What do you mean?
[13:23] <Adya> Sorry for language:)
[13:23] <urs> Adya: Inverted, nonlinear, jumpy. :)
[13:23] <SStrife> everybody gets one :P
[13:23] <Adya> Because I'm happy:)
[13:24] <Adya> Ok, I will be very careful with it:)
[13:24] <Adya> And the next step
[13:24] <Adya> What about video player for pi?
[13:24] <Adya> On debian, understandable:)
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> arfonzo, personally I'd leave them alone for now, however if you need swap then you're more or less doomed on the Pi.
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> arfonzo, and I'd never put swap on a USB key - too easy to knock it out, then crash the entire box, however ymmv ...
[13:26] <arfonzo> Thanks, I don't *need* swap, but would like it to be available if it's ever needed, that's all.
[13:26] <drazyl> for maximum speed you should put swap on a ramdisk
[13:26] <drazyl> :)
[13:26] <arfonzo> gordonDrogon: doesn't that depend on how you put/handle your RPi?
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> arfonzo, sure.
[13:27] <Adya> What video players are on pi?
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> arfonzo, but if you need swap, then the Pi, that's already a bit sluggish is gonig to be much more so...
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> arfonzo, no matter where you put it.
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> arfonzo, what I'd suggest (and what I do) is to use a swapfile, then it's easy to simple add more (or remove them)
[13:30] <arfonzo> sorry, I should have been clearer. I am using a swapfile off a USB key.
[13:30] <arfonzo> but, thanks for the advice. I'll disable swap completely and swapon/swapoff as needed.
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> arfonzo, I'm using a very small swapfile - 64MB on the SD card. It can help to offload some very idle processes when running X
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[13:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I have 512mb swap on my hard disk, hai :D
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[13:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It makes apparently no difference to the processes I'm running, though
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[13:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Oo, Google has finally indexed my pi page
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[13:46] <gordonDrogon> finally? just start a wordpress - google indexes it within minutes...
[13:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Google probably has some reservations about indexing a site that goes down when I reboot my Pi
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[13:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But now that it's indexed, Cloudflare should be able to keep it live when the Pi reboots
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> a-ha :)
[13:48] <urs> bah, cloudflare is evil.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> what's cloudflare? a hosting co, I'm presuming... ?
[13:48] <urs> transparent distributed content caching.
[13:49] <urs> And user browsing-habit-snooping.
[13:49] * gordonDrogon nods.
[13:49] <chris_99> is it free?
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> I just looked - they have a free plan.
[13:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> There's a free tier, yup
[13:49] <urs> Also ssl certificate spoofing for transparent caching of ssl access.
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> what makes them evil then?
[13:50] <urs> They trace user's browsing habits, even in ssl connections.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> and how can they give it away for free...
[13:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Same reason
[13:50] <SStrife> lol paranoia
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> so they're business is selling user stats.
[13:50] <urs> Seriously, this is a *very* advanced piece of technology. It works remarkably well, and must cost a lot.
[13:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Either that, or their paying customers subsidise the free ones
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> urs if they're terminating the ssl connection, then they get the full information anyway.
[13:50] <urs> There's no way they can provide that for "free".
[13:51] <urs> gordonDrogon: precisely.
[13:51] <RITRedbeard> We should design our own $40 system.
[13:51] <RITRedbeard> We could call it Apple Pi
[13:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm happy to exchange browsing habits for useful services, I never considered them private anyway
[13:51] <RITRedbeard> Nothing is more American than Apple Pie.
[13:51] <urs> gordonDrogon: if I were a government, that's were I would put my lawful interception modules.
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[13:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yes, cloudflare is well known for its uptake on websites with small communities of dissenters out to bring down "the man"
[13:52] <amelia_> RITRedbeard: sweet cherry pie? :P
[13:52] <RITRedbeard> sweet cherry pie tastes so good make a grown mannnn cry
[13:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Cream Pi???. oh??? oh dear
[13:53] <chris_99> is that a joke RITRedbeard heh
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[13:54] <RITRedbeard> Jani Lane wrote the song last second for Warrant's album in the 80s
[13:54] <RITRedbeard> He killed himself recently, he really hated the fact that he wrote that song.
[13:54] <RITRedbeard> Which is what amelia_ was alluding to I think.
[13:55] <RITRedbeard> But the fact that there should be an american computer? No.
[13:56] <RITRedbeard> It would give the raspberry a good run for its money
[13:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> it would have built-in police oppression and would slowly erode your freedom of speech and expression rights when powered on...
[13:57] <RITRedbeard> Wat?
[13:58] <RITRedbeard> In NY state I can buy a rifle with just my government issue ID.
[13:58] <RITRedbeard> In the UK you can't buy a steak knife.
[13:58] <RITRedbeard> You don't know whatchu talkin bout, bitty-boop
[13:58] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Err??? how does a rifle help cut steak?
[13:59] <RITRedbeard> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104360/Girl-15-gives-harrowing-account-plied-alcohol-passed-Asian-gang-sex.html
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, in the UK you can buy all sorts of knives. I have many ...
[13:59] <RITRedbeard> "Asian [rape] gang"
[13:59] <RITRedbeard> Kabeer Hassan (left), from Oldham, and Qamar Shazad (right), from Rochdale, both deny rape
[13:59] <RITRedbeard> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104360/Girl-15-gives-harrowing-account-plied-alcohol-passed-Asian-gang-sex.html#ixzz1wLyYsqjp
[13:59] <RITRedbeard> Did you mean... Middle Eastern?
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, and do not trust *anything* you read in the Daily Hail. Please. It's a joke.
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[14:00] <RITRedbeard> It was the first result, I don't feel like logging into the forum where discussion was taking place with original source
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[14:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I struggle to think of an American analogy for the Daily Fail??? it's a bit like a crazy blind man standing on a soap box and just shouting whatever comes into his head
[14:00] <RITRedbeard> But you guys are so politically correct
[14:01] <SStrife> That would be Fox News :P
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> sometimes...
[14:01] <mayski> RITRedbeard: would it be because this channel is for a piece of hw?
[14:01] <mayski> I wonder..
[14:01] <RITRedbeard> Yeah.
[14:01] <RITRedbeard> And Apple Pi is going to win.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> anyone have any views on setting vm.swappiness ?
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[14:03] <arfonzo> gordonDrogon: that's what I asked before also... it's not something I've configured before with my other linux hosts.
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> arfonzo, I've been doing some checking on it... it's 1 by default, yet my desktop is 60 by default.
[14:04] <arfonzo> I would be interested to hear/read some info on how it works and how it should be on a device like the RPi.
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> in essence it tells the kernel how "active" to be regarding moving unused stuff into swap.
[14:04] <Gadgetoid_mbp> What's the default swappiness on the Pi?
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> when pressed, it will move stuff, but from what I gather, 'swappiness' will let the kernel move stuff into swap when it's otherwise idle.
[14:05] <arfonzo> Gadgetoid_mbp: on arch, 1.
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[14:05] <gordonDrogon> default is 1 - which means to hardly ever move stuff into swap.
[14:05] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Woah, that's freakin' low!
[14:05] <Gadgetoid_mbp> In Pandora land we found 10 fairly comfortable
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> my thoughts are that if we let the kernel move unused stuff into swap when it's idle, it will free-up some RAM for active stuff - without the active stuff needing to pause when it's running.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, I was going to suggest 10 - it's a percentage.
[14:05] <oldman47> How do I install xbmc onto my Debian squeeze os?
[14:05] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Bearing in mind that it's an SD-card based system with 256mb RAM running a desktop GUI most of the time
[14:06] <Gadgetoid_mbp> So it's a fairly good analogue to the Pi
[14:06] <cornet> for desktop stuff i'd keep the value low
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> unused stuff is going to be things like getty and the starts bash and stuff like that.
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> *startx bash.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> going to try 10 for a bit and see what happens.
[14:07] <RITRedbeard> apt-get install xbmc
[14:07] <RITRedbeard> ?
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[14:08] <oldman47> RITRedbeard: apt-get does not find it.
[14:08] <RITRedbeard> beats me
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> I don't think xbmc is a standard debian package.
[14:09] <oldman47> gordonDragon: So is it possible to install it?
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Raspbian is defaulting to 60 for vm.swappiness.
[14:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> My system is basically using no swap
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[14:10] <gordonDrogon> I've put my debian pi to 90 :)
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> nothing happens.
[14:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Yeah, noticed the same
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[14:12] <gordonDrogon> I suspect 60 is the Linux default - that's what my desktop is saying too. let me chek a few of my servers...
[14:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Is laptop-mode worth investigating?
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> not sure - what does it do ;-)
[14:13] <Adya> Hi once more!
[14:13] <Adya> I've got a problem
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> yea, quick check of some servers/other Linux boxes I have; 60 is the standard kernel default.
[14:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Buffers writes and makes them "bursty" which might be good for SD cards but probably not so hot for performance
[14:14] <RITRedbeard> mkopack, where art thou?
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> Hm. yes. Looking now. ...
[14:15] <friggle> gordonDrogon: you want a lower swappiness surely?
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/laptops/laptop-mode.txt
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[14:16] <Adya> When I ran Geany and typed a simple program. When I try to run it, it tells me "could not find terminal xterm (check path for terminal tool setting in preferences)"
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> friggle, well... Do I? I think I actually want some idle processes moved into swap, but not all of them...
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> friggle, if I didn't want swap, I'd turn it off...
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[14:17] <gordonDrogon> I have a Pi currently set to 90 and its not moved anything into swap yet..
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> it's running lxde...
[14:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Yeah, there must be something else afoot
[14:17] <Adya> I tried to do something
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> I think it's just a hint to the kernel anyway.
[14:17] <Adya> But it doesn't work...
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> what are you doing, Adya ?
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[14:18] <gordonDrogon> ah, xterm.
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> looks like geany is trying to launch an xterm to run a command in.
[14:18] <Adya> When I ran geany and typed a simple programme and tried to run it
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[14:18] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install xterm
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> although there is probably a way to configure geany to use the terminal lxde uses.
[14:19] <Adya> I've got on internet on RasPi:(
[14:19] <Adya> How to?
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> dunno. read the manual for geany.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> it's not something I use.
[14:19] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I also get out-of-memory process kills, instead of swapping
[14:20] <RITRedbeard> So has anyone developed $200 FLCOS HMD goggles yet?
[14:20] <RITRedbeard> No?
[14:20] <RITRedbeard> VGA? 50 degrees diag FoV?
[14:20] <RITRedbeard> No?
[14:20] <Adya> No:)
[14:21] <RITRedbeard> Soon enough.
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, what does cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory give?
[14:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: 0
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> that's the default. odd that it OOMd a process if you have swap left..
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> I'm typically setting that to 2 for my servers.
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[14:29] <gordonDrogon> adya - I have a solution for you.
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> adya you there?
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[14:30] <gordonDrogon> adya well if you are... Go to tools and select Terminal. Change it from xterm to lxterminal
[14:31] <einonm1> gordonDrogon: It would OOM if the mem pages it needed have to be locked in memory, and there were none available. Depends on the application
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> einonm1, yea, sometimes it's all best left well alone ;-)
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> einonm1, although the only app. I run which locks page is asterisk (I think)
[14:32] <einonm1> gordonDrogon: I'm pretty sure that any AV application locks some memory - you wouldn't want to swap out AV buffers.
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> einonm1, probably - I rarely run AV stuff myself though!
[14:38] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: Are you about? Had any progress with Chrome?
[14:38] <Hexxeh> nada :/
[14:39] <Hexxeh> can't get a meaningful backtrace
[14:39] <Veryevil> no luck cross compiling?
[14:40] <Hexxeh> i've got a debug version, yeah
[14:40] <Hexxeh> but there's not enough memory on the device to run it directly
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[14:40] <Hexxeh> running a stripped version, getting the core file and then trying to run gdb with that results in no symbols
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[14:42] <Veryevil> instead of symbols is there debug logging?
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[14:42] <elspuddy> hello :)
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[14:43] <elspuddy> question, i just got my pi today (woohoo) now i just picked up a 5v dc 1000ma microusb psu, will that do for the pi ?
[14:43] <Veryevil> should do
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[14:44] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: there is, but i can't see anything useful in there
[14:44] <Hexxeh> it's an illegal instruction we're trying to trace
[14:44] <Hexxeh> it's not the kind of thing that'd throw an error in logging
[14:45] <Veryevil> ah so something still armv7 then
[14:45] <Hexxeh> movw, movt, yeah
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[14:46] <Veryevil> do you expect its in chrome or one of the libraries?
[14:46] <Hexxeh> chrome
[14:46] <Hexxeh> it's JS related
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[14:48] <Veryevil> have the chrome dev team been able
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[14:48] <Veryevil> would the dev team be albe to help
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[14:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp_> elspuddy: I'd go for anything above 1000ma, just in case it doesn't deliver on its promises??? personally!
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[14:50] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: i suspect the answer would be "get a backtrace"
[14:51] <Veryevil> are you able to list all of the linked libraries and then check them individually for armv7 contamination?
[14:52] <PhonicUK> wooooo!
[14:52] <PhonicUK> I have a working Genesis and SNES emulator!
[14:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> PhonicUK: This is good news!
[14:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> PhonicUK: I've been waiting to use my Retrode 2 with the Pi :D
[14:53] <Hexxeh> Veryevil: the linked libraries are from raspbian, so they're fine
[14:53] <Hexxeh> it's the chrome binary itself
[14:53] <PhonicUK> Gadgetoid_mbp, Hexxeh, did you see I'd got a nice build of CorsixTH?
[14:53] <Hexxeh> i'd be tempted to pop it through IDA or something, but it's like 60MB for a non-debug vesion
[14:53] <Hexxeh> *version
[14:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> PhonicUK: I heard :D nice work
[14:54] <PhonicUK> ive just gotta see how fast this set of emulators is now
[14:54] <PhonicUK> and then i'll post some binaries
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[14:55] <PhonicUK> brb
[14:57] <Veryevil> Hexxeh: Could you work from the last known working version of chrome and patch it up until it dies? Painful process I know but would it be possible?
[15:01] <tzarc> are you getting a SIGILL?
[15:02] <tzarc> you might be able to do something funky like what libSegFault does or something
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[15:04] <tzarc> can't remember if it's triggered on a SIGILL, been a while since I butchered it, lol
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[15:17] <gordonDrogon> Adya, did you get my earlier messages?
[15:17] <Adya> Can I connect to the Internet on my pi via nokia 5130?
[15:17] <Adya> No, i didn't:(
[15:18] <Adya> Could you send it once more?
[15:18] <Adya> Please:)
[15:19] <Adya> Ok, gordonDrogon-
[15:19] <Adya> ?
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> adya well if you are... Go to tools and select Terminal. Change it from xterm to lxterminal
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[15:21] <gordonDrogon> Adya, that will get geany to use the terminal in lxde.
[15:22] <Adya> There's no "Terminal" here...
[15:22] <Hexxeh> elspuddy: very painful process
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[15:23] <gordonDrogon> Adya, let me run it up again.
[15:23] <Adya> I've got "reload config, config files, colour chooses, word count, load tags, plugin manager" but no terminal here
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> Adya, Edit -> Preferences.
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> Adya, Then look for the Tools tab on the left. Click it.
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[15:25] <gordonDrogon> Adya, the top item is Terminal. It's set to xterm, change it to lxterminal
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[15:26] <Adya> Hurray! :<3
[15:26] <Adya> Thank you!
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[15:26] <Adya> Very much:)
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> does your program work now?
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[15:26] <Adya> Yeah:)
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> Excellent.
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[15:27] <Adya> It's printing Hello world:)
[15:27] <Adya> I'm newbie in programming:)
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> maybe a bit short-sighted of the folks who put the debian package together to miss-out xterm as I suspect a lot of people will be using geany for python editing, etc.
[15:27] <Adya> So, it's my first standalone program:)
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> what language are you programming in?
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[15:28] <Adya> Now, I'm trying in python, but I'm an amateur in jQuery:)
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> ok. I don't use either of those.
[15:28] <Adya> And know something in php
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> I use that.
[15:28] <Adya> What?
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[15:30] <Adya> What do you use?
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[15:31] <gordonDrogon> php, C and BASIC.
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[15:32] <Adya> :)
[15:32] <Adya> Hexxeh, are you here?
[15:32] <Hexxeh> yep
[15:33] <Adya> When are you going to make next Debian release, Liam?
[15:34] <Hexxeh> I don't make them...
[15:34] <Hexxeh> friggle does those
[15:34] <friggle> Adya: that's me and soon
[15:34] <Adya> But who?
[15:34] <Adya> Oh.
[15:34] <Hexxeh> friggle: you including rpi-updater by default?
[15:34] <Hexxeh> also, ca-certs
[15:35] <friggle> Hexxeh: we've got .deb packages for firmware now so probably not
[15:35] <Hexxeh> ah, okay
[15:35] <Adya> So, when the next debian will be released?
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> Hm. W: Failed to fetch http://archive.raspbian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-armhf/Packages 404 Not Found
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[15:35] <friggle> Adya: I'd hope this weekend, but it depends what crops up
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> has the raspbian archive changed?
[15:36] <Adya> Ok, waiting:)
[15:37] <PhonicUK> Gadgetoid_mbp, so it's not that great
[15:37] <PhonicUK> in X games are unplayable
[15:37] <PhonicUK> on the framebugger they're more or less playable but still pretty slow and the colors are all wrong
[15:37] <Adya> What is that archive?
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> PhonicUK, prboom seemd to think the framebuffer is 8bpp and get the colours really wrong...
[15:38] <PhonicUK> that would add up with what I get
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> Adya, the one I just posted? Well it is (I hope!) the raspbian archive...
[15:38] <PhonicUK> the FB is 16bpp and this was treating it as 24bpp
[15:39] <ReggieUK> can't you set the FB to 24bpp
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> I have been working my way through my SDL app. to make it BPP tolerant.
[15:40] <andatche> gordonDrogon: http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-armhf/Packages
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> Just gotten a 3x speed-up by making sure the sprite handling is OK at 16bpp!
[15:41] <ReggieUK> that'd be the other thing, get the app. to check the bit depth before it even inits SDL
[15:41] <PhonicUK> I just want accelerated X :(
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> andatche, Hm. I'm doing an apt-get update
[15:41] <andatche> suspect you'll need to update your sources.list, looks like it has moved
[15:41] <Adya> Midori, that comes with Debian is quiet laggy, so you'd better include chromium in next Debian release.
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> sources.list has: deb http://archive.raspbian.org/debian/ wheezy main
[15:42] <Adya> So, what about my idea?
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> Adya, I suspect any browser is going to be laggy on the Pi ...
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[15:43] <PhonicUK> Chromium is unusable on the Pi
[15:43] <Adya> Midori is the laggiest at all:)
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[15:44] <Adya> Why is it unusable?
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[15:44] <PhonicUK> memory usage is too high, it immediately starts swapping once a page is open
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> Hm. When the guardian did ademo of the Pi on video, it seemed a lot faster - wonder what tweaks they did there ;-)
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[15:44] <gordonDrogon> use the 224 kernel?
[15:44] <PhonicUK> I use 224
[15:44] <friggle> gordonDrogon: yes, the press image would use the 224 kernel unless you reboot for the graphics demos
[15:44] <PhonicUK> Midori is okay for me if I disable images
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[15:45] <gordonDrogon> Ah. It's changed from debian to raspbian.
[15:45] <arfonzo> I'm compiling qupzilla now for ARM. We'll see, but suspect it will also be somewhat slow.
[15:46] <PhonicUK> raspbian is generally faster for me
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> it'll be almost usable once midori gets javascript going.
[15:46] <Adya> I saved a how to install quake page on my windows computer, copied it to my flash drive. When I tried to open it in Midori, midori crashed...
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> but then, that'll just slow it down again ;-)
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[15:47] <gordonDrogon> have to say that for me, using the Pi as a general purpose workstation type of thing isn't what I'm after, however I know others will want this.
[15:47] <Adya> I tried many times... Midori doesn't want to open this page:(
[15:48] <PhonicUK> the fastest browser on the Pi by far is Links2
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> if it won't open it the first time, the chances of it opening it a 2nd time if you don't change anything are close to nil.
[15:48] <PhonicUK> but anything more complex than Wikipedia is going to go down badly xD
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> I did try squirrelmail - it's usable as it has no JS :)
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[15:49] <campbell> Just wondering if the git of xbmc-rbp is the most up to date source of xbmc for the pi?
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if we need a mailing list or forum for raspbian to let us know of things like changing the path, etc. (or is there one already?)
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[15:50] <friggle> gordonDrogon: raspbian has its own forum on raspberrypi.org
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> friggle, a-ha...
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[15:52] <Adya> I want everything be usable in next Debian release:)
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> Adya, *boggle*
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> Adya, you can always apt-get install iceweasel ...
[15:54] <Adya> So, I can help with running that
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[15:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> PhonicUK: sad times for Megadrive :(
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[15:54] <Adya> E.g mailing list or unofficial forum:)
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> I'd stick to the official forum - there is already another forum on the go and it'll just lead to fragmentation and make keeping up to date hard.
[15:56] <Adya> Or mailing list:)
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> people don't like mailing lists these days - especially younger folks - well, that's my experience of running them for the past 20 years ...
[15:57] <stephan48> i like them more than forums...
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> so do I but ...
[15:57] <stephan48> forums just just miss the mail notification
[15:57] <IT_Sean> mailing lists make IT_Sean sad.
[15:57] <stephan48> and the simplicity
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> I watched the UK scuba community go from two really active mailing lists to usenet to about three dozen web sites/forums making it impossible to keep up at all.
[15:58] <amelia_> Aww
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> of-course, I ran the mailing lists, so I may appear biased, however I found it just too hard to keep up.
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> with all the forums.
[15:58] <UnderSampled> you do scuba?
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> Used to.
[15:58] <UnderSampled> not any more?
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[15:58] <gordonDrogon> I'd love to, but there are some issues.
[15:58] <UnderSampled> ?
[15:58] <hamitron> hard to keep up? isn't the idea to go down? ;)
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> long storys, etc.
[15:59] <amelia_> you don't float right? :P
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> :)
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> I float perfectly well.
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> and sink too!
[15:59] <Adya> If we run a news website?
[15:59] <UnderSampled> you lost your pinky
[15:59] <UnderSampled> ?
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> not been in the water for a couple of years now.
[16:00] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: you've developed a water allergy? If you scuba, you'll swell up like a canker? :P
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> various reasons which I'm not going to go into here, but when I was diving, I absolutely loved it.
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> Lost track of the number of dives I did - maybe 3000.
[16:00] <IT_Sean> Hey... no mocking scuba divers!
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> the last 2000 on a rebreather.
[16:00] * IT_Sean puts on his "SCUBA: Going Down All Day Long!" t-shirt
[16:00] * amelia_ coughs, "Scapa Flow"
[16:00] * amelia_ chuckles @ IT_Sean
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> Yea, scapa. Fantastic place. Been there many times!
[16:00] <Adya> RaspberryPi.org is a hardware news website at all, so we'll make a software raspberrypi news site
[16:01] <IT_Sean> <-- PADI Advanced / Nitrox cert here
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, excellent!
[16:01] <UnderSampled> gordonDrogon: so why did you stop?
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, I was diving Nitrox in '93 - before the BSAC invented it ;-)
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> UnderSampled, because.
[16:01] <IT_Sean> Oooohh... it was a bit of a dark art back then
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[16:02] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, not really, but there was a lot of FUD.
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[16:03] <Adya> So, what about my idea?
[16:03] * amelia_ used to service AGA and Spiromatic kit :P
[16:03] <UnderSampled> Adya: you can make whatever website you want
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> amelia_, neat. I used an aga full facemask once. could never afford one though!
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[16:03] <UnderSampled> you just have to get enough regular content for it to take off
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> My dive kit in an Inspiration rebreather.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> I was one of the early adopters.
[16:04] <Adya> UnderSampled, it's the biggest problem:(
[16:04] * IT_Sean still uses basic tanks.
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[16:05] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: amazing kit <3 alas, i've never actually done much in/underwater, bar sea survival training, etc.
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> http://drogon.net/scuba/Lusitania.Jul.2000/images/me1.jpg
[16:06] <UnderSampled> what is that?
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> me looking at a porthole on the bow of the Lusitania, 93m down...
[16:07] <UnderSampled> nice
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> http://drogon.net/scuba/Lusitania.Jul.2000/images/me2.jpg
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> deco in the same dive, freezing my nuts off!
[16:07] <amelia_> :D
[16:08] <Adya> B-)
[16:08] * IT_Sean hates diving in cold water
[16:08] * IT_Sean usually sticks to wrecks in warmer waters
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> I've done the majority of my diving in waters round the UK!
[16:08] <Adya> Me too:)
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> coldest was off the coast of Boston, MA in winter )-:
[16:09] <UnderSampled> you mean wetsuits aren't magical?
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[16:09] <IT_Sean> No, they are not.
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> no, neither are drysuits!
[16:09] <UnderSampled> :(
[16:09] <IT_Sean> at least you can wee in a wetsuit.
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> yea, but I do have a plumbing arrangement in my dry suit :)
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[16:09] <IT_Sean> ooooh. fancy.
[16:10] <UnderSampled> which is better? the wet or the dry?
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> dry!
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[16:10] <amelia_> BenO: welcome! we're talking about cold wetsuits and peeing in the sea! Care to weigh in? :D
[16:10] <UnderSampled> gordonDrogon: are they more expensive?
[16:10] <IT_Sean> depends. drysuits are a bit more fiddily, and require finer buoyancy tuning. Wesuits don't keep you as warm
[16:10] * BenO checks which channel he's joined...
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> on phone .brb.
[16:10] <IT_Sean> Yes. Drysuits are a damn sight more expensive than a wetsuit.
[16:11] <IT_Sean> ... which is part of the reason i stick to warm water diving w/ my 3mil wetsuit
[16:11] <BenO> amelia_, As long as it is not about peeing in wetsuits...
[16:11] <lucian> i wore a wetsuit once during spring, near newcastle. it wasn't cold at all
[16:11] <lennard> BenO: the best channels are the ones that are off-topic a lot :P
[16:11] <IT_Sean> BenO: That's how you warm yourself up! :p
[16:12] <BenO> O.o
[16:12] <drazyl> can you wee in a drysuit to warm yourself up?
[16:12] <BenO> I shudder at the thought of rented wetsuits then!
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[16:12] <IT_Sean> Well... drazyl... the thing is... anything you do IN a drysuit STAYS in the drysuit....
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> the trend now is to have a heated underjacket inside the dry suit for really long/cold dives.
[16:13] <IT_Sean> so, yeah, you COULD wee in one, but, it would be veeery unplesant.
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> which is fine if it stays dry, however I did once see someone with an early unit with LiPo battery catch fire and give him 3d drgree burns...
[16:14] <hamitron> does farting cause a bubble, like in swimming shorts?
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Ow.
[16:14] <hamitron> just doesn't look like much room for it :/
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> This is what I have: http://www.othree.co.uk/system/site/uploads/content/docs/P-valve-brochure.pdf
[16:15] <IT_Sean> hamitron: you know... i've never looked.
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> I was crewing on a dive boat at the time - He missed a few minutes of deco to get to the boat - we took the battery out which was fizzing and smoking and it promptly went over the side...
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> fortunately he was fine...
[16:16] <UnderSampled> what is deco?
[16:16] <IT_Sean> the funniest thing i ever saw on a dive was when someone somehow managed to get a jellyfish INSIDE his wetsuit. I have no idea how, don't ask. He went down fully suited & came back up to the boat buckarse naked.
[16:16] <IT_Sean> decompression.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> decompression.
[16:16] <IT_Sean> You need to let the gasses fizzle slowly out of your tissues.
[16:17] <IT_Sean> come up to fast, and bubbles can form, causing all sorts of nasty effects. Google "decompression stop" for more info.
[16:18] * SpeedEvil imagines that that's one of Mc-Hammers less well-known songs.
[16:18] <UnderSampled> I know what the bends (or however it's spelled) is
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[16:18] <IT_Sean> okay, well, if you don't deco, you get bent.
[16:18] <UnderSampled> yes
[16:18] <UnderSampled> I dust didn't know the abbr.
[16:18] <UnderSampled> ;)
[16:19] <IT_Sean> ahh, okay.
[16:19] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: nice valve, like the shewee adapter :D
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> I've spent days of my life decompressing ... but it was fun to reflect on the dive I'd just done.
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[16:19] <UnderSampled> gordonDrogon: so, if he missed some deco, how did he "get it back"?
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> amelia_, I'm not convinced the sheewee would keep a girl dry ...
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> UnderSampled, he didn't. He just surfaced early. Decompression isn't an exact science.
[16:20] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: doubt it.. fine for festivals and stuff, AFAIK, but can't see it staying seated properly on a dive :P
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> and sometimes you can get away with not doing enough, sometimes not. We treated the burn first and put him on 100% oxygen as a precaution.
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> amelia_, I meant on a dive... I know women who use them when hiking, etc.
[16:21] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: I know, which is why I said, I doubt it'd stay seated on a dive :P
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> they did try a catherter system for women divers - it worked a treat, but prone to infection and it's somewhat uncomfortable I was told.
[16:22] <amelia_> Diving for me is easy.. tie a concrete block to my legs and push me over the side... either that, or just roll me off the side of gthe boat :P
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> most women divers I know use big nappies.
[16:22] <amelia_> hehe :P
[16:22] <amelia_> catheterisation isn't something I like the idea of :(
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> I've used them myself on occasion too. They're not that bad.
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> adult pampers that is...
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[16:24] <gordonDrogon> although I was in hospital earlier this year and as a result of the anasthetic & pain killers they gave me, I couldn't pee )-: so they used a catheter on me. Not a plesant experience...
[16:25] <dmsuse> omg
[16:25] <dmsuse> i got a code to order from rs
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo!
[16:25] <amelia_> congrats?
[16:25] <amelia_> :D
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> just 3-4 weeks to go now...
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[16:26] <Adya> Did you see that?
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> I got mine on the 17th - so 2 weeks ago now.
[16:26] <Adya> www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404770,00.asp
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> Adya, oh that, that's last weeks news :)
[16:26] <Adya> I see:)
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[16:27] <Adya> But I see it just now:(
[16:28] <Adya> How do you make those messages like *Troll goes up
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> it's "ok, but". needs a lot more power, less GPIO. but it does have VGA, but only 720p.
[16:28] <Adya> ?
[16:29] <Adya> Drogon, Raspberry Pi is the best:)
[16:29] <Adya> So how do you do it?
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> do what?
[16:30] * drazyl looks at Adya, like this?
[16:31] * gordonDrogon goes up.
[16:31] * gordonDrogon uses the /me command.
[16:32] * Adya run
[16:32] <Adya> Hurray:)
[16:32] <dmsuse> i have 2 now :D
[16:32] <Adya> What commands does irc have also?
[16:32] <fALSO> /quit
[16:32] <Adya> *has
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> Most of the commands are client-side
[16:33] <fALSO> :-P
[16:33] * Adya happy:)
[16:33] <dmsuse> Delivery Type : Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 6 week(s))
[16:33] <dmsuse> whaaaaaaaa
[16:34] <Adya> What 2?
[16:34] <drazyl> wow
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[16:34] <Adya> 2 raspberry pies?
[16:34] <BenO> Adya, -> http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html#part2
[16:34] <dmsuse> yeah
[16:34] <drazyl> that is slow
[16:34] <Adya> BenO, got it
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> I got: Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 3 week(s))
[16:36] * Adya got his raspberry pi in 30th April:)
[16:36] <shirro> gordonDrogon: mine said 3wks as well. two weeks ago. nearly there.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> shirro, yep. that was on the 17th for me...
[16:37] <PhonicUK> I'm getting 100mbit broadband
[16:37] <PhonicUK> woot woot! :D
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> might get it by the end of the week.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> PhonicUK, virgin?
[16:37] <shirro> PhonicUK: so am I. In 2015 :-(
[16:37] <haltdef> choke on your megabits
[16:37] <PhonicUK> gordonDrogon, yup
[16:38] <PhonicUK> and virgin is already installed at the property :D
[16:38] <shirro> Or never if the government changes
[16:38] <Adya> So, i didn't understand at all, can I use wifi on pi?
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> Adya: yes.
[16:38] <urs> Adya: if you plug in a usb-wifi adapter, yes.
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> If you pick the right usb-wifi adaptor - one with linux drivers.
[16:39] <Adya> Ok:)
[16:39] <Adya> Thanks:)
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[16:39] <SpeedEvil> linux source drivers
[16:39] <shirro> And find the extremely rare <100mA one
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[16:39] <SpeedEvil> binary blob drivers won't work
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> also - you need a powered hub
[16:39] * Adya has last question
[16:39] <Adya> I have one
[16:40] <Adya> Can I access Internet on pi via nokia 5130
[16:40] <Adya> ?
[16:40] <mkopack> Adya: Across what interface? USB?
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> If you can do it with a linux laptop, in principle, yes
[16:41] <r00t|home> bluetooth? uart?
[16:41] <mkopack> What Speed said
[16:41] <mkopack> Assuming you're tethering it across USB or BT and you find a BT dongle that works ok in the RPi
[16:42] <Adya> Via usb
[16:42] <Adya> My nokia is connected...
[16:43] <Adya> I connect it but nothing happens:(
[16:43] <mkopack> Then yeah, what Speed said, as long as it can be done with a Linux laptop, it'll probably be doable with the Rpi
[16:44] <Adya> Yeah, on my friend's computer openSUSE is installed, and it can be simply connected to the Internet via YAST
[16:44] <r00t|home> Adya: define "nothing"
[16:44] <r00t|home> Adya: nothing in the kernel log indicating a new usb device?
[16:45] <Adya> Stupid question. What is kernel log?:)
[16:45] <r00t|home> run 'dmesg' in a shell?
[16:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Adya: you win at questions :D
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> Also.
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> You said one more question.
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> This is more than one more question.
[16:46] <mkopack> Adya: Sounds like it's not being detected when you plug it in, which indicates that there might need to be support for it built into the Kernel.
[16:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Down boy, down!
[16:46] <drazyl> there is always one more question after one more question
[16:46] <drazyl> :)
[16:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> You don't *have* to answer them, of course :D
[16:46] <mkopack> Ok, somebody tag out Speed before he blows :)
[16:46] <drazyl> you might need to install gnokii for the 5130
[16:47] <r00t|home> gnokii is just for transfering contacts and reading sms on ancient phones...
[16:49] <Adya> Sorry for questions :'(
[16:49] <r00t|home> Adya: so, does anything show up in dmesg?
[16:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Adya: don't sweat it, that's how people learn! :D
[16:50] <Adya> I'm trying. Wait a sec...
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[16:54] * Adya see that dmesg prints new full speed usb device number 9 using dwc_otg, new device found id vendor =0421, idproduct = 0209
[16:54] <Adya> So, pi recognizes it
[16:55] <Adya> Next step is connecting the internet :-D
[16:55] <mkopack> Seeing it, and knowing what to do with it are 2 different things
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[16:56] <Adya> I understand it
[16:58] <Adya> So?
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[17:27] <RBlunderbuss> hey all - is there anyone here that has not yet had a chance to order an RPi?
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[17:29] <hotwings> are you scalping?
[17:29] * amelia__ is now known as amelia_
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> I'd be willing to buy one for a small amount.
[17:29] * SpeedEvil looks at his pile of cash.
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> 4 whole shiny 2p pieces.
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> you have a pile? :)
[17:30] <mjr> you could make _two_ whole piles out of those
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[17:31] <RBlunderbuss> not scalpiung, I have an extra RS order code
[17:31] <RBlunderbuss> *scalping
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> Sort-of-seriously, I could offer 60 first-class stamps for one.
[17:32] <RBlunderbuss> I'll just give away the code to anyone who hasn't had a chance to place an order yet
[17:32] <RBlunderbuss> and if everyone has one, then just to whoever- I don't need 2
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:32] <drazyl> very decent of you
[17:32] <dmsuse> mmmm i just had a battered milyway
[17:33] <BenO> two do come in handy - one for dev, one for using
[17:33] <dmsuse> *milkyway
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> I would consider that very awesome offer - but I need to get my first one working firs t:)
[17:33] <RBlunderbuss> Ben0 I just bought a new guitar, I've hit my limit for toys
[17:33] <RBlunderbuss> :P
[17:33] <BenO> RBlunderbuss, fair point :)
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> dmsuse: I have 148 milky-way bars in the cupboard.
[17:33] <dmsuse> lol cool
[17:33] <megaproxy> RBlunderbuss, buy my xbox
[17:33] <megaproxy> ill throw in a guitar hero guitar
[17:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> SpeedEvil: The milky-way's are on you!
[17:33] <megaproxy> then you have 2 guitars!
[17:33] <drazyl> SpeedEvil - milkyways are evil, they must be destroyed. one at a time!
[17:34] <RBlunderbuss> megaproxy heh, no thanks
[17:34] <drazyl> what sort of guitar?
[17:34] <megaproxy> im not asking.
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[17:34] <megaproxy> :P
[17:34] <RBlunderbuss> megaproxy in that case, I will pay 1$
[17:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RBlunderbuss: my colleague registered his interest but got no code, you can give it to him in a random act of kindness ;)
[17:34] <RBlunderbuss> drazyl Gretsch
[17:34] <drazyl> semi?
[17:34] <megaproxy> backfire!
[17:34] * megaproxy runs away
[17:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I've got his Arduino on my desk, whee!
[17:34] <RBlunderbuss> Gagetoid_mbp what's his email?
[17:35] <RBlunderbuss> drazyl Gretsch G5120
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> drazyl: I'm wishing I'd ordered more Snickers and Mars bars actually.
[17:36] <drazyl> RBlunderbuss nice
[17:36] <mkopack> Hmm, thinking of picking up some acrylic this weekend and trying to make my own version of this: http://www.bitbarn.co.uk/thepishop/pihouse.htm
[17:36] <drazyl> SpeedEvil wash your mouth out, they're called marathons
[17:36] <campbell> Can anyone tell me if the most up to date xbmc for raspberry pi is the xbmc-rbp git? Or is there another source, I have noticed that xbmc-rbp hasn't had any commits in a while
[17:36] <RBlunderbuss> drazyl yeah got it used, in perfect condition, with a hard case - $500
[17:36] <drazyl> bargain
[17:36] <Gadgetoid_mbp> /msb RBlunderbuss ben@further.co.uk
[17:36] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Lolwut
[17:36] <mkopack> For the $20 they're charging for that I could buy a 2ft x 2ft sheet
[17:36] <drazyl> fail!
[17:36] <drazyl> :)
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[17:36] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Nevermind, all the spam!
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> drazyl: I like to use that for diet purposes.
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> drazyl: If you eat a marathon bar a day, and do a marathon every couple of weeks, you will not lose weight.
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[17:37] <RBlunderbuss> Gadgetoid_mbp sent
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[17:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RBlunderbuss: gonna stare at him across the desk now, and see if he reacts
[17:38] <RBlunderbuss> Gagetoid_mbp I wonder if he knows your IRC name, since that's what I referenced
[17:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RBlunderbuss: He should do!
[17:39] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Anyone who doesn't know me by "Gadgetoid" doesn't know me :D, or at least haven't discovered that I'm a bountiful font of iPhone cases
[17:39] <RBlunderbuss> SpeedEvil if you run a marathon a day, and eat a marathon bar every couple weeks, you will likely die
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[17:40] <drazyl> now, can I be bothered to rewrite a load of old code to fix alignment traps
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[17:40] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RBlunderbuss: Haha, got an email "Is this for real?"
[17:40] <RBlunderbuss> :P
[17:40] <RBlunderbuss> yes
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> RBlunderbuss: :)
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[17:41] <RBlunderbuss> Gadgetoid_mbp has he started squeeling excitedly yet?
[17:42] <RBlunderbuss> *squealing
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[17:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RBlunderbuss: probably still trying to suspend disbelief, just sat with him through the order process??? he is excitement
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[17:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RBlunderbuss: Mucho thankolistic, by the way, we can now have elaborate Pi jousting competitions in the office, thrusting the pointy corners into each-others eyes
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[17:47] <RBlunderbuss> sweet :)
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_mbp: RoHS means that it's entirely safe to poke people in the eye with.
[17:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> SpeedEvil: Awesome, wouldn't want anyone to die prematurely!
[17:48] * SpeedEvil thinks of Elop.
[17:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, need to test my boot script tonight??? joy of joys!
[17:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Boot Pi, nod appreciatively, shut down, unplug power, unplug hard drive, replug power??? see if auto-failover occurs, panic, cry, ragequit
[17:50] <RBlunderbuss> I feel bad, but I honestly haven't even touched my Pi in weeks
[17:51] <RBlunderbuss> I'm not really sure what to do with it right now
[17:51] <hotwings> i have a feeling a lot of rpi owners would say the same
[17:51] <malhelo> i kinda got the same problem..
[17:51] <haltdef> mine's sitting on top of the fileserver running znc and bitlbee
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[17:51] <haltdef> feels like a bit of a waste but I'm thinking it'll be helpful during a power cut
[17:52] <bluelightning> grumble
[17:52] <haltdef> can stay online with the networking kit hanging off the UPS
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[17:52] <lennard> I plan to use it as a xbmc when I don't have any other toy project going on with it
[17:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RBlunderbuss: do??? things!
[17:52] <malhelo> just out of curiosity, what OSs are u running on you pi?
[17:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RBlunderbuss: plug in a bunch of electrical components and control them in Ruby?
[17:52] <haltdef> raspbian
[17:53] <RBlunderbuss> lennard yeah I was leaning that way, but I have so many other devices that do that better. Gadgetoid_mbp I do want to learn electronics and circuits this summer, but I have yet to determine if the RPi can help with that
[17:53] <RBlunderbuss> Gadgetoid_mbp yeah I need to find some starter pack or something. I was thinking about getting an Arduino, but got a guitar so need to wait on that
[17:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RBlunderbuss: the Pi kickstarted my interest in electronics, but it's not particularly useful for learning the basics
[17:53] <malhelo> is raspbian the debian image from the homepage or something different?
[17:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The Sparkfun Starter Kit is awesome at ~??65 delivered from hobbytronics
[17:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It's got all the things!
[17:54] <hotwings> RBlunderbuss - are you one of the guys who overestimated what the rpi can do.. or just havent thought of a fun project to try?
[17:54] <haltdef> yea but I installed mine manually
[17:54] <malhelo> ah k
[17:54] <RBlunderbuss> hotwings the latter
[17:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RBlunderbuss: I'm still deciding if I should buy it or not, but: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/sparkfun-inventors-kit
[17:55] <malhelo> i am running on archlinuxarm here, but i'm still trying to get a lot of stuff to work as it want them to ^^
[17:55] <RBlunderbuss> Gadgetoid_mbp yeah I saw that one, but thought that https://www.adafruit.com/products/68 looked better
[17:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm quite tempted by the breadboarduino, and the whole process of putting together an arduino on a breadboard from components??? an arduino also doesn't teach you much, but is a good way to make learning fun
[17:56] <RBlunderbuss> I don't think the sparkfun kits come with the R3 boards yet
[17:56] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RBlunderbuss: apparently they do
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[17:57] <haltdef> so guys, I had this board full of various electronic components hooked up to springs when I was a kid, came with an instruction manual so you could wire together all sorts of stuff .. what the hell would it have been called? :|
[17:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It specifically mentions Uno R3 on Hobbytronics, but I think they also mention that you could get either a socketed or surface mounted ATMEGA at random
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[17:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Which is kind-of bunk if you want a socket to program chips for use on a breadboard or in other projects
[17:57] <haltdef> would use the springs to secure lil wires in place, springs were all numbered
[17:57] <IT_Sean> I had something like that, that let you build an AM or FM radio
[17:57] <haltdef> exactly
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[17:57] <haltdef> would like to get my hands on a kickass one now, I just haven't the faintest idea what to search for
[17:57] <IT_Sean> I actually just threw that out a couple weeks ago, as i was cleaning out my attic.
[17:58] <Matt> IT_Sean: they still exist
[17:58] <RBlunderbuss> Gadgetoid_mbp oh that must have changed within the last couple weeks then. I had asked on their IRC channel about it maybe a month ago and it wasn't
[17:58] <IT_Sean> fuktif i remember what it was called, sorry.
[17:59] <Matt> K bought me one a few christmases back as a stocking filler
[17:59] <Matt> came from the dollarama
[17:59] <haltdef> Matt, what are they called? :P
[17:59] <Matt> well the ones tandy carried were always "x in 1" where x was a number between 10 and 200
[17:59] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RBlunderbuss: could well have! It's definitely a recent thing, although how recent I don't know
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[17:59] <Matt> this one was just called something like "Electronics Lab!"
[18:00] <haltdef> god I remember tandy
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> I got a couple of meters when Tandy sold all their electronics stuff.
[18:00] <haltdef> http://www.amazon.com/Science-Electronic-Project-Recommended-Children/dp/B0070YP2FW
[18:01] <haltdef> ha, exact one
[18:01] <RBlunderbuss> hahah
[18:01] * Adya is here:)
[18:01] <RBlunderbuss> come with me to the word of Nor gates
[18:01] <Adya> Ha:)
[18:01] <Gadgetoid_mbp> They don't make crazy educational kit like they used to :D
[18:02] <bluelightning> I really wanted one of those but never got it :'(
[18:02] <bluelightning> I guess I had tons of other electronic stuff though
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[18:03] <Matt> they actually sell all the ones tandy used to have at Sayal
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[18:05] <RBlunderbuss> alright back to work
[18:05] <RBlunderbuss> later all
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[18:07] <medik> Seems that I can't get subtitles to work with omxplayer...
[18:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, wonder what I need to set up a Pi to breadboard ribbon connector
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[18:08] <einonm> I've managed to get Debian booting from an NFS root - although it's a little flaky. Anyone else had experience with this?
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[18:09] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I guess two 2x6 pin crimp connectors would be a good start, so I can purposefully avoid +3.3v and +5v
[18:09] <D34TH> hmm
[18:09] <D34TH> i wonder if it will play age of empires
[18:10] <D34TH> or AoE2
[18:10] <IT_Sean> Or just use a floppy ribbon cable, and pull out the leads you don't need, Gadgetoid_mbp
[18:10] <IT_Sean> You DO have a pin puller, right?
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[18:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> IT_Sean: I do not :D
[18:10] <medik> D34TH: No, it will not play aoe
[18:10] <D34TH> depression
[18:10] <IT_Sean> you do not!?
[18:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But I'll doubtlessly have a floppy ribbon cable somewhere
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[18:11] <IT_Sean> well... ... ... ... Go and get one!
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, I used a floppy cable initially.
[18:11] * calle is now known as cal
[18:11] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Not sure what one is!
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, however if you can get them, proper female to male jumper wires is much better.
[18:11] <IT_Sean> it is a tool that lets you pull the pins out of ribbon cable connectors.
[18:11] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Seems to be of limited use :D sounds like pliers
[18:11] <D34TH> dem needlenose
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> you don't need a pin puller.
[18:12] <BenO> Gadgetoid_mbp, You can just plug in and use the wires you want: http://benosteen.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/csc0037.jpg?w=594&h=397
[18:12] <cal> Hi Everyone! Anyone here had problem with installing raspbmc? after the first boot i lose all connection to it (ping/ssh) and there is a green,red and blueimage shown on the screen. Any advice?
[18:12] <D34TH> i feel bad because i have a VM dedicated to playing AoE
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, youre in the UK?
[18:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Yup
[18:13] <fakker> lovely, finally have the Pi working with my crapola TV :)
[18:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Haha, the floppy cable fits pretty damned well
[18:13] <fakker> All working with Raspbmc, and Tablet/phones as the remote with no problems as of yet
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-premium-150mm-mf-pack-of-10-p-909.html
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> or just get one of their starter kits.
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[18:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: the jumper wires are really easy to pull out, though, maybe I should glue a whole load together into an elaborate connector
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> if you use a floppy cable, you'll need to strip the individual wires and solder pins onto them - fiddly.
[18:14] <sraue> cal you can try if openelec works for you... never heard about a green, red and blue image
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, it's a possibility, but I've not had issues with those jumpers - but I don't lift my Pi with them :)
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> I'd really suggest one of their started kits too.
[18:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I've wanted to keep my stuff attached and tried to move it around, with interesting results??? easy enough to plug things back in, though, and I wrote a script to test them
[18:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm looking into the Arduino starter kit, plus a handful of miscellaneous components that look interesting
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html
[18:16] <cal> sraue: I tryed one of openelecs early build from numan1617 and it worked well, just wanted to try raspbmc out to se the diffrence :-)
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> I got this one + breadboard and wires:
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-red-p-1071.html
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> they sent me 2 little raspberrys etched out of acrylic - which I've drilled a hole in one to put on my keyring :)
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> see mine: http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess3.jpg
[18:18] <sraue> cal, no idea what raspbmc all does... if you want test the last OpenELEC build try this: http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/ its much improved since earlyer builds
[18:18] <fALSO> you guys want to see a mess ? LOL
[18:18] <fALSO> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1010544/l/P1040083.JPG
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[18:18] <fALSO> my mess from yesterday :-D
[18:18] <fALSO> not a pi
[18:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I didn't know what to do with those little raspberries
[18:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But keyring = protip! ( I only got one! )
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> they sent you one with the arduino? neat :)
[18:19] <fALSO> nah
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> they sent me a clear one and a red one.
[18:19] <fALSO> that component
[18:19] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Nah, I got that red breadboard case :)
[18:19] <fALSO> came from ST samples
[18:19] <fALSO> and the wires from ebay
[18:19] <fALSO> thats a RTC clock paralel
[18:20] <fALSO> im trying to interface with it
[18:20] <fALSO> but the datasheet is hard to understand :)
[18:20] <cal> sraue: I might just do that. Thanks :)
[18:20] <fALSO> for someone that doesnt know much about eletronics :)
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> fALSO, what's the blob on the breadboard?
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> ah, I read it above.
[18:20] <fALSO> its a RTC
[18:20] <sraue> cal, let me know if it works better then older builds for you :-)
[18:20] * gordonDrogon nods.
[18:20] <fALSO> M48T12
[18:21] <fALSO> its my first with with so much wires
[18:21] <fALSO> ehhe
[18:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Youch HT's realtime i2c clock module is ~??12 :D
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> that's an olde fashioned RTC chip :)
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> NTP is free :)
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[18:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> True, that
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> I think I have some old Dallas hybrids ... wonder if the lithium battery in them is still going!
[18:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> NTP doesn't have 56 bytes of non-volatile memory, though,eh EH!
[18:22] <[SLB]> hm Gadgetoid_mbp, what charset are you using? i guess either i have some issues
[18:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> [SLB]: damned if I know! probably UTF-8
[18:23] <[SLB]> oh eheh np thanks :)
[18:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But then there's this: ???
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> DS1287's.
[18:24] <cal> sraue: will do.
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> Hm. datasheet claims 10 years, however, the ones I have are > 25 years old...
[18:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Time to go home, wheee
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> not sure I can be bothered connecting them up to something to check... maybe it's time for the bin!
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> wow. that time already.
[18:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ttfn yer wonderful folks, you!
[18:25] <[SLB]> laters :)
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[18:29] <Adya> Where are you from?
[18:29] <Adya> Question to everyone:)
[18:29] <IT_Sean> I saw an RTC chip on EMSL the other day.
[18:29] <IT_Sean> Could probably be added to a i relativly easily.
[18:30] <IT_Sean> Adya: Earth. It's the lovely blue one.
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[18:30] <Adya> It sean, it's really pretty:)
[18:31] * Adya thinks that question was stupid:)
[18:31] <fALSO> i need to find some SPI RTC
[18:31] <fALSO> less wires :)
[18:31] <IT_Sean> Adya: there are no stupid questions. Only stupid users.
[18:31] <fALSO> i found out that by using my email address on most of manufacturers, i get free samples
[18:31] <fALSO> (i work at a university)
[18:31] <fALSO> :)))))
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> You can get free samples in most cases, anyway.
[18:32] <fALSO> that rtc was a smaple from ST
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> .ac.uk address doesn't help
[18:32] * IT_Sean works for a company that manufacturers electronical stuff. Also useful for getting samples :p
[18:32] <fALSO> i got from ST, MICROCHIP, and TI
[18:32] <Adya> Don't be rude please:(
[18:32] <fALSO> it_sean, heheheh :-)
[18:32] <IT_Sean> I wasn't being rude. I just work in IT, Adya
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> 'working for a company' is only generally useful for asshats.
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> I mean - companies that restrict sample availability
[18:33] <amelia_> IT_Sean: I used to work for a comp mag and a couple of media companies - we just got tonnes of stuff sent, and requesting stuff wasn't that hard either.
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[18:33] <SpeedEvil> NXP for example.
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> Won't talk to you about samples.
[18:33] <fALSO> asshats ?
[18:33] <IT_Sean> amelia_: niiice
[18:33] <fALSO> is that slang ?
[18:33] <Zenith2011> hi everyone, how are you doing. I'm after a bit of help with raspbmc on the pi if anyone is available please?
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> TI, national, freescale, ST, maxim, ... all do samples.
[18:33] <Adya> Yeah, you're welcome
[18:34] <Adya> Zenith
[18:34] <IT_Sean> There are some companies that won't do samples for the general public.
[18:34] <fALSO> yap
[18:34] <SpeedEvil> NXP, broadcom.
[18:34] <Zenith2011> I've got it up and running, but I don't have a usb keyboard/mouse (quite an oversight I know) but I do have an iPad, i believe I can use the app on the ipad to control raspbmc but in order to do so I need to enable the webserver on the raspbmc via SSH, any ideas?
[18:35] <fALSO> the first time i asked for samples, i didnt even knew about the "package"
[18:35] <SpeedEvil> micron
[18:35] <fALSO> so i asked for SMD samples
[18:35] <fALSO> then i couldnt use them on breadboards LOL
[18:35] * SpeedEvil was looking for samples of 512M RAM for POP
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[18:35] <fALSO> now i KNOW: PDIP
[18:36] <Zenith2011> I also have one of these things: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004FSFYG8/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00 if anyone knows how to make this work with the raspbmc that would be awesome.
[18:37] <fALSO> does that require any drivers?
[18:37] <fALSO> if its a normal keyboard/mouse
[18:37] <fALSO> it should work
[18:37] <Adya> If you can afford to buy iPad, you can buy cheap keyboard&mouse in ~$10
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[18:37] <fALSO> maybe it requires a lot of "power"
[18:37] <amelia_> anyone wanna buy an iPad? :P
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[18:38] <Adya> I wanna :-D
[18:38] <Zenith2011> faLSO it works fine with the normal debian build on the pi, I just think maybe the raspbmc doesn't have whatever config files/drivers may be needed for it
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[18:39] <Zenith2011> if i can get the webserver working i can use the ipad to test raspbmc out, i need to edit a file called guisettings.xml but I'm not sure where it's located
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[18:39] <Zenith2011> Adya, yes I could buy a keyboard/mouse, I had considered that as an option but I'm just trying to do something a different way
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[18:40] <Adya> I understand:)
[18:41] <sraue> Zenith2011, whats this for a keyboard/mouse? can you paste a "dmesg" output from the debian system where it works?
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[18:41] <Adya> Can't help you with it:)
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[18:42] <Zenith2011> hi sraue, i can't at the moment, but I will try to when I have time I don't have that debian image loaded on the memory card at the moment, its running raspbmc
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[18:42] <Zenith2011> Adya, i found the guisettings file, just trying to edit it now to enable the webserver
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[18:43] <Adya> On what os are you trying to edit it?
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[18:44] <Zenith2011> on the pie itself through ssh
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[18:44] <Zenith2011> *pi lol
[18:46] <Adya> Do you want control via iPad remotely?
[18:46] <Zenith2011> yeah, I think it will work if I can enable the webserver on raspbmc via ssh
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[18:47] <IT_Sean> aye, there are SSH clients for the iPad. But, really... if you can afford an iPad, you can afford to spend ??5 on a keyboard.
[18:48] <Zenith2011> buying a keyboard isn't a problem to be honest, if I can afford ??30 on a raspberry pi one would presume I can also afford a keyboard, however I've got a bluetooth remote that I anticipated would work with the pi, which it does unless I'm using raspbmc which I am
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[18:48] <Zenith2011> i didn't know about this until today, when I first tried it, so i'm just trying to figure how to enable remote control on the raspbmc so i can try using it until i get a keyboard/mouse
[18:48] <Zenith2011> which will likely be tomorrow
[18:48] <Adya> Sean, he said that he wants to do it as an expirement
[18:49] <Zenith2011> but yeah, the comments about if i can afford a ipad i should go buy a keyboard are always helpful cheers
[18:50] <IT_Sean> ah, i missed that
[18:50] <IT_Sean> hey, if you want to do it for the fun of doing it, more power too ya
[18:50] <IT_Sean> oops -caps
[18:50] <Zenith2011> yeah this whole linux/raspberry pi is brand new to me, only experience ive ever had of linux is with regards web hosting
[18:50] <Zenith2011> so trying to figure things out, cheers
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[18:51] <IT_Sean> learning & doing crap for the fun of it is what the raspi is all about.
[18:51] <Zenith2011> if a folder starts with a . does that mean it's hidden?
[18:51] <Zenith2011> yeah its why I purchased one, unbelievable kit for the money, everyone should get one if you ask me
[18:51] <rpi_011> Hi, What is the direct URL to the fedora remix image file. r14
[18:52] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[18:52] <Adya> Rpi011, try to google...
[18:52] <IT_Sean> Generally .folder will be hidden
[18:52] <Zenith2011> aha found it, ls -a will list directories starting with .
[18:52] <Zenith2011> getting somewhere
[18:52] <rpi_011> seriously, thats help? google links the installer
[18:53] <Adya> But what do you need?
[18:54] <Zenith2011> if a file shows with these attributes, -rw-r--r-- what does that mean?
[18:54] <Zenith2011> is that owner, group and world permissions?
[18:54] <Adya> Root can do anything he wants, other - only read...
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[18:54] <Adya> Not root but owner, sorry:)
[18:54] <Zenith2011> ah ok, it says owner is root so I guess your right its root
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[18:55] <Zenith2011> so how can i remove the read only attribute so the user pi I'm logged in as can modify the file?
[18:55] <Adya> Try chmod command
[18:56] <Adya> chmod 777 file.ext
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[18:56] <Adya> Replace file.ext with real file name
[18:56] <Zenith2011> ahh just read something about chmod +w file.ext to add write permission?
[18:56] <Zenith2011> yeah i recognise 777 from website, means writable to everyone doesn't it?
[18:56] <Adya> Yeah, that helps also
[18:57] <Adya> Yep
[18:57] <Adya> Two variants:)
[18:57] <piless_> rpi_011: grouchy neckbeards plague these channels
[18:58] <amelia_> :O
[18:58] <amelia_> just you, piless_ ;)
[18:58] <Zenith2011> file is now -rw-rw-rw- cheers adya :)
[18:58] <rpi_011> piless_ : :) Again, if anyone could help me with the direct URL to download (raspberry pi fedora remix 14 ) image. . not the installer
[18:58] <elspuddy-pi> question, how do i change my screen res ?
[18:59] <Adya> Elspuddy, i think no way to do it...
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[18:59] <piless_> Adya: wtf?
[18:59] <IT_Sean> Can't you set the screen rez in a config file?
[18:59] <piless_> Adya: No way to change your screen res? Really?! You're an idiot
[18:59] <IT_Sean> piless_: relax.
[19:00] <mkopack> Hehehe, so much for 1 per person Newark??? RPi #2 from Newark shipped out today??? That makes #3 for me :)
[19:00] <elspuddy-pi> IT_Sean, know where the config file is ?
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[19:01] <mkopack> I have half a mind to order #4 and make a bramble just for the hell of it!
[19:01] <piless_> rpi_011: this? http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/arm-nightlies/
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[19:01] <IT_Sean> elspuddy-pi: not a bloody clue. Don't have a Pi yet.
[19:01] <elspuddy-pi> np :)
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[19:02] <rpi_011> piless_: thats r17 nightly
[19:02] <rpi_011> but thanks for trying. i'll poke around there for a min
[19:03] <arfonzo> hey all, is there a way to boot, and use root off a USB drive?
[19:03] <arfonzo> (root file system)
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[19:03] <piless_> rpi_011: this? http://fedora.roving-it.com/rootfs-f14-minimal-RC1.tar.bz2
[19:03] <piless_> http://fedora.roving-it.com/rootfs-f14-xfce-RC1.tar.bz2
[19:03] <piless_> MAYBE
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[19:07] <Zenith2011> guys, if I use the recommend debian image for my Pi, can I play 720 x264 videos? is there a video player that's supported and able to do this?
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[19:08] <Adya> Vlc maybe
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[19:08] <IT_Sean> You should be able to
[19:08] <IT_Sean> GPU decoding depends on the codec of the video
[19:09] <Zenith2011> ok I'll give it a shot, as this raspbmc is only in beta and not sure I'll get on very well with it just yet (especially without a keyboard and mouse :)
[19:09] <D34TH> do we have a list of what codec it can process?
[19:10] <Zenith2011> i know x264 should work with hardware decoding, i remember reading that somewhere
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[19:10] <sraue> Zenith2011, you also can try OpenELEC
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[19:10] <Zenith2011> D34TH: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/592
[19:11] <Zenith2011> sraue, I've read a bit about it, but I haven't be able to find an image/binary (not sure terminology) that I can extract onto the SD card yet
[19:11] <Zenith2011> do I have to grab the source and compile it myself?
[19:11] <sraue> Zenith2011, there are much builds around, also images
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[19:11] <sraue> what you use for a OS in your PC?
[19:12] <Zenith2011> windows 7 64bit
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[19:12] <DexterLB> hi
[19:12] <Zenith2011> im going to put together a laptop with a build of linux on it, seems to make sense if i'm playing with the pi as well to learn more about it
[19:12] <Adya> Hi
[19:12] <sraue> Zenith2011, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5163&p=87631#p87502 here is a 4GB image
[19:12] <DexterLB> do boards get shipped to farnell redistributors?
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[19:13] <sraue> Zenith2011, yes it makes sense to have a linux system
[19:13] <Zenith2011> sraue, downloading thanks :) I'll extract it now and see how it goes cheers.
[19:13] <DexterLB> my local distributor said they will have stock in june, whatever that means
[19:13] <IT_Sean> DexterLB: what do you mean? farnell IS a distributer.
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[19:13] <DexterLB> some companies distribute stuff from farnell, and you get them with free shipping etc
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[19:14] <IT_Sean> ah
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[19:15] <IT_Sean> I do not know how farnell is handling any redistribution
[19:15] <Matt> I wouldn't have thought they were for the start
[19:16] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[19:16] <IT_Sean> That was my feeling
[19:17] <Thorn_> do you get alot of feelings
[19:17] <piless_> you need omx player for gpu video
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[19:18] <Zenith2011> thanks piless
[19:19] <Zenith2011> this is probably a stupid question, but the utility I'm using to extract images onto the SD card has an option to read the image from the card to a .img file, presumably I can use this to make a backup of the card before I do anything that could break my install?
[19:20] <ccssnet> Zenith2011: yes
[19:20] <piless_> what's the utility called?
[19:21] <Zenith2011> win32 disk imager
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[19:21] <Zenith2011> that's cool, as now I've got raspbmc sort of working, i can make a backup of it and try something else out
[19:21] <ccssnet> i havent used that but i assume so
[19:21] <piless_> if you like raspbmc, you should try openelec as well
[19:22] <ccssnet> in linux a command called dd can do what you need
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[19:22] <Zenith2011> piless_, thanks I'm extracting an image of openelec that sraue found for me right now in fact, going to give that a look next
[19:23] <piless_> have you tried raspbian?
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[19:23] <Zenith2011> i haven't, is that worth a look as well?
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[19:25] <piless_> it's not xbmc like those two, rather it's a stripped down debian designed for the pi
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[19:26] <Zenith2011> thanks, added to favourites to give it a look
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[19:27] <Zenith2011> btw, for anyone who wonders, the URL for the bluetooth keyboard with trackpad for mouse function is http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004FSFYG8/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00 it worked straight out of the box with the official debian image for the pi and I'm quite impress with it so far, not bat for ??20 ish
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[19:27] <Zenith2011> *not bad
[19:28] <piless_> what's the range like?
[19:28] <Zenith2011> 2 secs I'll give it a test
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[19:29] * SpeedEvil waits for the next post. '4 miles and still going'
[19:29] <Zenith2011> i was about 13ft away (into my kitchen, only a small flat) and it still works fine
[19:29] <n17ikh> wow, e14 is like.. the next city over
[19:30] <amelia_> Zenith2011: thanks - glad to know it works out of the box, and cheaper than most eBay auctions of that.. I assume you get the wee bluetooth transceiver with it?
[19:30] <n17ikh> shipped my pi yesterday, it's out for delivery today
[19:30] <piless_> I'm thinking of getting one of these, http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004R6S42Y
[19:30] <SpeedEvil> is it actually bluetooth?
[19:30] <Zenith2011> not sure, its got a dongle so guess its bluetooth
[19:30] <SpeedEvil> ->ame
[19:31] <piless_> SpeedEvil: It comes in both 2.4ghz and bluetooth models.
[19:31] <piless_> iirc
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> If it's got a dedicated dongle - it's probably not bluetooth
[19:31] <Zenith2011> it comes with the dongle and a USB cable that plugs into PC one end, the dongle the other and also splits off to give power to recharge the remote itself
[19:31] <Zenith2011> maybe not then, could be wifi or something? im not too technical as you can tell
[19:31] <n17ikh> it's not wifi either
[19:32] <n17ikh> most likely just a simple proprietary protocol
[19:32] <Zenith2011> says 2.4ghz wireless so whatever that is
[19:32] <Zenith2011> anyways, works out the box, ??21.66 with free shipping
[19:33] <mjr> I've got a Logitech DiNovo Mini, it does bluetooth but has its own USB HID talking dongle too. Might be the same deal with that (or not).
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[19:33] <amelia_> Zenith2011: given it's ISM band, which covers WiFi and Bluetooth, it could be either - but most likely is not bluetooth
[19:33] <piless_> SpeedEvil: here's the bluetooth variant, http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004KFFQ5K
[19:33] <amelia_> The bloetooth is available at www.amazon.co.uk/Bluetooth-Wireless-Keyboard-Touchpad-Nintendo/dp/B004KFFQ5K/
[19:33] <amelia_> darn you, piless_ :D
[19:34] <DaQatz> Hmm got my pi, seeing a lot of mmc errors. Perhaps I need to switch sd cards.
[19:34] <piless_> amelia_: I took the time to cut all the junk off the url too :P
[19:34] <amelia_> piless_: bite my shiny metal ass :P
[19:34] <piless_> DaQatz: Happens to everyone apparently, don't worry about it.
[19:35] <Zenith2011> DaQatz, i got a lot of those installing raspbmc but everything i read online said ignore and let it run through, seemed to work fine if i ignored it
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Live-eels-in-your-bellybutton/dp/B004KFFQ5K/
[19:36] <Zenith2011> openelec is working OK, this works with the 2.4ghz pissibly wifi/bluetooth type keyboard/trackpad combination device mentioned previously
[19:36] <piless_> SpeedEvil: Do you think there would be any issues using both a bluetooth mouse and keyboard off the the same dongle on the pi?
[19:37] <SpeedEvil> hmm.
[19:37] <SpeedEvil> Shouldn't be - as I understand it.
[19:37] <IT_Sean> as opposed to what... just a mouse or just a keyboard?
[19:37] <IT_Sean> shouldn't cause any issue.
[19:37] <mjr> should work fine, as long as you get the general bluetooth input device weirdness sorted
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[19:38] <piless_> ok
[19:39] <piless_> ok
[19:39] <piless_> ok
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[19:44] <Adya> Best channel at all:)
[19:44] <piless_> worst channel
[19:45] <IT_Sean> ?
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[19:46] * fakker just uses xbmc remote
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[19:46] <Zenith2011> im off for a bit, thanks everyone for your help i really appreciate it, speak soon
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[19:47] <piless_> sarky git
[19:47] <amelia_> piless_: most bluetooth kb/mouse operate from the same Bluetooth device, just as you can use them both from a hub on the same port.. it should be fine :)
[19:47] <IT_Sean> piless_: that's about enough.
[19:48] <piless_> amelia_: I've had problems before, like if I was streaming music to my phone, and did something else bluetoothy then the music would jitter.
[19:48] <piless_> *from my phone, rather.
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[19:52] <xlq> Any information about powering the pi from its header?
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[19:54] <xlq> Couldn't find it on the wiki.
[19:54] <mkopack> xlq: IIRC ,you just need to hook up the 5V + gnd pins??? BUT there is ZERO protection provided doing it that way
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[19:54] <mkopack> So be DARN sure you're putting out 5V
[19:54] <IT_Sean> It's possible to power the device's 5v rail, using the +5 and GND pins, but, it is NOT recommended, as it bypasses all of the protection
[19:55] <piless_> xlq: from what I gather the gpio headers aren't included before the main fuse, so you're kinda risking bricking your device
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[19:56] <xlq> piless_: Right, I'll avoid doing that then.
[19:56] <xlq> Thanks piless_, mkopack
[19:56] <piless_> no IT_Sean?
[19:57] <mkopack> hee
[19:57] <IT_Sean> no what?
[19:57] <IT_Sean> oh... heh.
[19:57] <mkopack> props
[19:57] <mkopack> IT_Sean gets no love
[19:57] <piless_> :D
[19:57] <IT_Sean> s'all good.
[19:58] <xlq> Ah, well he didn't say my nick so it didn't get highlighted :)
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[19:58] <piless_> sure sure
[19:59] <IT_Sean> it's okay piless_.
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[20:00] <piless_> Has anyone knocked off their capacitor c6 yet?
[20:00] <Habbie> heh
[20:00] <Habbie> i just read about that
[20:00] <IT_Sean> Someone in the forum did, but managed to resolder it
[20:00] <Habbie> should not really be hard
[20:01] <xlq> Knocked it off? O_o
[20:01] <IT_Sean> yes. knocked it off
[20:01] <piless_> imo they should ship it in a box that can be turned into a case
[20:02] <DaQatz> It' not that big...
[20:02] <IT_Sean> cost, piless. custom boxes are costly.
[20:02] <ccssnet> i recently resoldered a surfaace mount (grain of rice sized) cap. so its posible to fix
[20:02] * xlq adds a soldering iron to his order
[20:02] <xlq> :P
[20:02] <piless_> IT_Sean: It wouldn't need to be that complex, just label where to cut and fold it
[20:02] <IT_Sean> get sole good solder, too.
[20:03] <IT_Sean> piless_: oooh, i thought you ment a preperforated box.
[20:03] <IT_Sean> *some
[20:03] <ccssnet> with surface mount items. have a toothpick handy to hold it in place
[20:03] <piless_> cardboard
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[20:09] <Gadgetoid> piless_: popped mine in a case quick-like, so there should be no capacitor assassination
[20:10] <piless_> Gadgetoid: Yeah, sadly my case won't arrive for a couple of weeks
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> you must be really ham fisted to knock a cap off...
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> is that the big one in-front of the micro usb power connector?
[20:10] <piless_> gordonDrogon: Apparently some people put pressure on it while unplugging the micro usb
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> muppets.
[20:10] <Gadgetoid> I hate that blasted micro-usb port
[20:11] <Gadgetoid> Speaking of which, I could have sworn I had a micro-USB to regular nokia charger adaptor
[20:11] <Gadgetoid> That would solve my woes instantly!
[20:11] <mkopack> Gadgetoild: Agreed. It's a PITA to plug and unplug it
[20:11] <Gadgetoid> TO THE BOXES UPON BOXES OF CRUD!
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[20:11] <mkopack> Wish they had a reset button or power switch or something
[20:11] <IT_Sean> mkopack: add one.
[20:12] <mkopack> Well, HOPEFULLY I'll soon be at the point where I won't have to be resetting it so much
[20:12] <oldman> What is the root password for the embedded xbmc image?
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[20:12] <Gadgetoid> I was right!
[20:12] <piless_> aren't power switches usually built with the power supply?
[20:12] <Gadgetoid> And I knew exactly where to find it
[20:13] <Gadgetoid> Now I just have to find a mains adaptor that fits it???. derp
[20:13] <piless_> mkopack: I have a usb hub with an on/off switch
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> reset is easy - just arrange a button to short the +5v to ground.
[20:13] <Gadgetoid> piless_: does that adequately power the Pi? My shoddy hub didn't
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[20:13] <gordonDrogon> The polyfuse trips and it reboots...
[20:14] <Gadgetoid> In an hour or so :D
[20:14] <piless_> Gadgetoid: I haven't tested it yet.
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> hour? It was more or less instant when I did it accidentally ...
[20:14] <piless_> Someone needs to create a rube goldberg device to reset the pi
[20:15] <Gadgetoid> http://www.gadgetoid.com/nokiaadaptor.jpg
[20:15] * gordonDrogon wonders what a rube goldberg device is ...
[20:15] <Gadgetoid> I even have a photo of it from back in #maemo when I was selling my old N900 :D
[20:15] <Gadgetoid> Adapts micro-usb to not one??? but TWO connectors to choose from!
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> Hm. there's a thing. Wonder what I did with my old n900 charger...
[20:16] <Gadgetoid> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001O5KQGI/ref=asc_df_B001O5KQGI8099351?smid=A1PYJ6XCVPEVYS&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22218&creativeASIN=B001O5KQGI
[20:16] <piless_> Gadgetoid: So glad they switched to microusb, my last nokia phone had a micro usb port that didn't charge the phone!
[20:16] <Gadgetoid> Derp, I should have trimmed that url /lazy
[20:16] <Habbie> Gadgetoid, mkopack, i just unplug the wall socket, much easier
[20:16] <mjr> Gadgetoid, sounds like it's not very guaranteed to provide the stable 5V the Pi needs (unless it has active circuitry)
[20:16] <Gadgetoid> piless_: The nokia N900 had a micro USB port that was reknown for breaking off
[20:16] <mkopack> with my setup that's down under the desk, so kind of a PITA to get at
[20:16] <hotwings> just mount the rpi inside a power supply. you can just remove the heat sinks since it will never get hot
[20:16] <Gadgetoid> Habbie: I've got mine plugged into a piggy-6 underneath a stool, unplugging it is awkward from there too
[20:16] <hotwings> then you have your on/off switch & case in one!
[20:16] <Habbie> oh :)
[20:17] <Habbie> Gadgetoid, i ran out of sockets underneath my desk so the pi is happily powered from the one socket i had left above my desk ;)
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[20:17] <Gadgetoid> Habbie: Ahh, jammy :P
[20:17] <mkopack> Although I'm thinking when I build this Panda+3 Pi stack/case setup, I might integrate the power strip so it's all up on top of the desk and easier to get at
[20:17] <Gadgetoid> My Pi is in a terrible place, stuffed behind the TV in my bedroom, with the jumper cables sort-of squeezing under the TV to my breadboard
[20:18] <piless_> Gadgetoid: You should mount it on the wall for all to see!
[20:18] * kvarley just finished uploading his image build
[20:18] <Gadgetoid> piless_: Well it's got a vesa mounting plate, wall's as good a place as any :D
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[20:19] <kvarley> ANNOUNCE: OpenELEC with XBMC image is now available. http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> I must be one of the few that never had any issues with the charger/socket on my n900
[20:19] <piless_> Gadgetoid: http://media.bestofmicro.com/wall-mounted-pc-casemod,Z-5-269537-13.jpg
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[20:19] <Habbie> kvarley, 20120528?
[20:19] <Gadgetoid> piless_: ???. good grief...
[20:19] <hotwings> thats HORRIBLE for cooling
[20:20] <amelia_> kvarley: any working audio?
[20:20] <kvarley> Habbie: Yes
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[20:20] <hotwings> it looks nerd-cool though
[20:20] <Habbie> amelia_, audio worked for me with the may 13th build
[20:20] <hotwings> i guess
[20:20] <kvarley> amerlia_: Working audio? Audio worked for me on the build from may 20th
[20:21] <piless_> so what's the difference between kvarley build and the build openelec provides?
[20:21] <amelia_> kvarley: nick autocomplete does wonders ;)
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[20:21] <piless_> emalia_: what if he doesn't have a tab key?
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[20:22] <kvarley> piless_: Nothing. Mine isn't a binary release it's an image release. As in you just flash it with dd or another tool
[20:22] <piless_> kvarley: do you have a build-bot?
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[20:23] <kvarley> piless_: No, although I'm gonna be setting up a bash script for it now.
[20:23] <amstan> so i got my newark shipping confirmation
[20:23] <IT_Sean> oooh
[20:23] <IT_Sean> delivery date?
[20:23] <amstan> and there's this tracking number in there that i can't figure out where to put it
[20:23] <piless_> christmas
[20:23] <amstan> idk, it doesn't say anywhere
[20:24] <Habbie> amelia_, what does it start with?
[20:24] <plugwash> my experiance is that if you put tracking numbers into google it will work out what carrier they are for and give you a link
[20:24] <Habbie> good tip
[20:24] <piless_> amstan: try chucking the tracking number into google
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[20:24] <piless_> gah too slow
[20:24] <amstan> piless_, plugwash: i tried both google and fedex
[20:25] <Habbie> amelia_, ignore me, mis-tabbed
[20:25] <amstan> and it says this: Carrier Service: GROUND COLLECT
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[20:25] <amstan> not sure what that means
[20:25] <Habbie> amstan, not clickable on google?
[20:25] <amstan> is that fedex actually?
[20:25] <amstan> Habbie: no
[20:25] <amstan> the number looks like this: 3296471xxxxx
[20:25] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, ping?
[20:25] <piless_> amstan: Try ups
[20:25] <amelia_> kvarley: any screenshots of openelec + xbmc?
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[20:26] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, pong
[20:26] <amstan> piless_: nope
[20:26] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, is there a skeletonfs for openelec? I need to make a dir in SYSTEM, but can't find where.
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[20:26] <kvarley> amelia_: You can see a video of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrACZN6qoDw
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[20:27] <piless_> amstan: Have a look on your order page on the website to see if they give you a link
[20:27] <amstan> neither usps, nor canada post
[20:27] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, create a folder "filesystem" in the project folder (projects/RPi) and put the stuff there, this folder will be added to the rootfs
[20:27] <amstan> piless_: they don't, it just says Status:Completed, Tracking: 30 May, 3296471xxxxx
[20:28] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, thanks
[20:28] <piless_> amstan: are you sure it's a tracking code and not just your order id?
[20:28] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, so /projects/RPi/filesystem/etc/my.conf adds /etc/my.conf to the SYSTEM file
[20:28] <amstan> piless_: idk
[20:28] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, got it.
[20:28] <amstan> piless_: i also have a PO number, whatever that means
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[20:30] <piless_> Apparently there are always 15 digits in a FedEx tracking number
[20:30] <amelia_> kvarley: thanks, I'll take a look - any idea which licence(s) the OpenELEC + XBMC is released under?
[20:30] <kvarley> amelia_: GPL v2 as stated at the bottom of the page my image is listed under
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[20:31] <kvarley> amelia_: That and whichever license applies to the version of the Linux kernel they are using
[20:31] <amelia_> alright. alright :D
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> "OpenELEC is released under GPLv2. Please refer to the "licenses" folder and source code for clarification on upstream licensing."
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[20:32] <piless_> kvarley: whoever made that video needs to update their desire s to ics
[20:32] <kvarley> piless_: It was me. I'm running Cyanogenmod
[20:32] <piless_> Go cm9
[20:33] <kvarley> piless_: That's this weekends job =]
[20:33] <piless_> it's wooooonderful
[20:33] <kvarley> hehe =]
[20:33] <kvarley> What's the performance like?
[20:34] <piless_> I'm running an alpha on the desire s's little brother, the wildfire s.
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[20:35] <piless_> so much faster than gingerbread for me, but your phone is probably going to have much better support.
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[20:36] <Adya> Anybody here?
[20:36] <Matt> several people are
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[20:36] <piless_> no they're not
[20:36] <elspuddy-pi> im here
[20:36] * Adya is going to halt
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[20:38] <piless_> I'm so confused.
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> why?
[20:38] <Adya> So, I'm going to make "You asked - we answered" like website.
[20:39] <piless_> Adya: a stackoverflow clone?
[20:39] <Adya> I want to find a team of people who can help me to answer users questions.
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[20:39] <piless_> isn't someone already making a stackoverflow for the rpi?
[20:40] <Adya> No, I don't think so
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[20:40] <gordonDrogon> isn't that what #rasperrypi is?
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[20:40] <Gadgetoid> Could always fire up QtoA on a server somewhere
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> or the forums on raspberrypi.org...
[20:40] <lars_t_h> I had got an message from DHL about a package, my is at my doorstep tomorrow?
[20:40] <Matt> ahha, someone has taken a picture :)
[20:40] <Adya> Some of kind geeks I need. Who can help?
[20:40] <lars_t_h> 'my Pi
[20:41] <piless_> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/37041/raspberry-pi-hardware-and-software?referrer=x2T_fvJyBgs1
[20:41] <piless_> Adya: How much do you pay?
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> Adya, we can, but maybe we have limited resources and there's only so-many sites we can track, or want to track...
[20:41] <Adya> Piless, it's would be free:)
[20:41] <Moofie> so, seems like there are several people with a raspberry pi that just arrived from farnell and does not seem to boot?
[20:41] <piless_> lars_t_h: they just left it on your doorstep?
[20:42] <lars_t_h> no
[20:42] <piless_> Moofie: This is the problem when you ship a device without a certified power supply.
[20:42] <Gadgetoid> I always answer questions within the bounds of my, limited, knowledge anyway??? but I keep the number of websites I frequent to a bare minimum of around zero
[20:42] <lars_t_h> I had got a sms from DHL aout a package that will arrive tomorrow
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[20:42] <piless_> Moofie: Tell them to find a power supply that outputs at least 1A at 5V
[20:43] <Moofie> piless_, I actually also have a board from RS components, and that one boots fine from the same power supply
[20:43] <piless_> Moofie: rma it then
[20:43] <Adya> So, if somebody wants to help me in that idea, please write me to yuzov1@gmail.con
[20:43] <Moofie> but I can understand that the power supply could be causing it, since it is only 500mA
[20:43] <Adya> yuzov1@gmail.com
[20:44] <Moofie> I just find it a little suspiciouc that more people are experiencing the same problem
[20:44] <piless_> Adya: If you want people with *real* tech knowledge then you're going to have to offer an incentive.
[20:44] <kvarley> Moofie: The RaspberryPi model B is rated from 750mA to 1200mA
[20:44] <piless_> Moofie: A conspiracy?
[20:44] <Moofie> :)
[20:44] <lars_t_h> piless_, oh they say that picked up a package for for inside EU, that can only be from RS Components i the UK
[20:44] <lars_t_h> *for me
[20:44] <kvarley> Moofie: I run mine from a HTC charger running at 5v 1A
[20:44] * lars_t_h has a bad keyboard, sorry
[20:45] <piless_> lars_t_h: is there a problem?
[20:45] <Moofie> yeah, I think I will try first with another power supply
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[20:45] <Adya> Mine is working from cheap nokia ac 10e
[20:45] <Adya> 1.2a, 5v
[20:46] <Adya> If you're interested in that write yuzov1@gmail.com
[20:47] <Adya> Dear folks:)
[20:47] <lars_t_h> i was not reading that message in its full length, piless_ - maybe because i am tired
[20:47] <piless_> Adya: You should invest in a cheap domain and then tie that to google apps, a gmail account doesn't look very professional
[20:48] <Adya> I know it, piless:)
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[20:48] <piless_> You're going to need to pay people aswell
[20:48] <piless_> Perhaps a couple of cents per question.
[20:48] <hamitron> what for?
[20:48] <Adya> I don't have website now, but i'm developing it at the moment
[20:48] <piless_> hamitron: Adya is planning on implementing a stackoverflow clone and is attempting to crowdsource some techies.
[20:49] <neofutur> (21:33) <+ Adya> So, I'm going to make "You asked - we answered" like website.
[20:49] <Adya> 5 cents per question will be enough:)
[20:49] <Adya> ?
[20:49] <neofutur> (adyyou already have / chose the software for that ?
[20:49] <hamitron> 5 cents per question for 3 months, and a r-pi upfront
[20:49] <hamitron> ;)
[20:50] <Gadgetoid> Just do a revenue split model
[20:50] <neofutur> i was thinking of doing a better forum than the official one
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[20:50] <Gadgetoid> Person with the approved answer gets % of ad revenue from question page
[20:50] <neofutur> with all the useful features, poster reputation, polls and more
[20:50] <Adya> Neofutur in what way better?
[20:50] <Gadgetoid> Lots of review sites that do similar things
[20:50] <neofutur> well the official forum is very closed
[20:50] <piless_> Gadgetoid: Wow, that would be a lot safer actually
[20:50] <neofutur> moderation before your post appears
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[20:51] <hamitron> I think we should shutdown all docs, and make the kiddies learn from books
[20:51] <Gadgetoid> epinions.com comes to mind
[20:51] <hamitron> ;/
[20:51] <piless_> hamitron: ebooks
[20:51] <hamitron> paper books :/
[20:51] <hamitron> although, ebooks are maybe ok
[20:51] <piless_> eink reflects light like paper, what's the difference?
[20:51] <Adya> Gadgetoid, i'll take a look:)
[20:51] <neofutur> Adya: features : http://mybestbb.ww7.be/f19-Features.html
[20:51] <Gadgetoid> I earned $6.38 through them, trololo
[20:52] <neofutur> I ll do it anyway, but its better not doing it alone, if we can mix our ideas , better
[20:52] <Gadgetoid> But then abandoned the site, 'cos I only visited it in the first place to steal ideas for the marketing agency I worked at
[20:52] <neofutur> also you cant edit your post on the official forum
[20:52] <neofutur> I posted on http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1967
[20:52] <hamitron> piless_, ok, ebooks pass :) put we really don't want loads of websites full of short answers, on how to plug the r-pi in
[20:52] <neofutur> need to post a new post everytime i have a detail to add
[20:53] <Gadgetoid> Adya: mobile phone ads can be lucrative ;)
[20:53] <neofutur> if anyone is interested by the idea, I ll need posters and moderators
[20:53] <piless_> hamitron: It would work a lot better than the current system. At the moment if you google for a common raspberry pi issue you will most certainly reach a raspberrypi.org forum post with an angry power tripping mod locking the post and no answer
[20:54] <hamitron> :/
[20:54] <hamitron> all mini hitlers
[20:54] <Gadgetoid> Adya: if you do PHP, this is a nice qa platform: http://www.question2answer.org/
[20:55] <neofutur> Adya: topic rating, user reputation, polls, sticky topics are the mos important feature imo
[20:55] <piless_> It's worse enough when you get the OP saying they fixed it and then never saying how.. But when the first result is a mod locked post... ITS SO MADDENING.
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[20:56] <piless_> Don't go mad with the ads either, Adya. Too many ads will put people off.
[20:56] <Gadgetoid> piless_: yeah, that's a rage-scenario
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[20:56] <hamitron> piless_, I guess you could use your boiling blood to heat water and make a coffee to relax :)
[20:56] <piless_> Gadgetoid: I have to say, that the raspberrypi.org forum is the worst forum for it that I've ever seen.
[20:56] <neofutur> +1
[20:56] <neofutur> really bad
[20:57] <Gadgetoid> piless_: Alas, I'm not a moderator there??? yet ;)
[20:57] * hamitron is glad he is too lazy to read forums
[20:57] <neofutur> not being able to edit your post forces you to spam with manyu posts, and information is hard to find for visitors
[20:57] * lennard hates forums
[20:57] <lennard> wiki and mailling list is all you need :P
[20:57] * neofutur hates phpbb
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[20:57] <neofutur> but forums can be good too !
[20:57] <Gadgetoid> The RPi forums are also excessively granular at the moment, and??? Y U NO CRUMBTRAIL!?
[20:58] <IT_Sean> Don't start with the bloody mailing list debat again
[20:58] <hamitron> IRC is all you need, you login and ask loads of newb questions ;)
[20:58] * IT_Sean wanders off
[20:58] * hamitron hides
[20:58] <lennard> ok, fair, forums are usefull
[20:58] <neofutur> forums are useful for SEO
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[20:58] <neofutur> so that people needing answers can find them on google
[20:58] <lennard> as long as you store the friggin information in the wiki
[20:58] <neofutur> useful for new users
[20:58] <Adya> *adya thinks he helps with forum
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[20:59] <Gadgetoid> Does anyone have a deep-link to the "View new content" page on RPI?
[20:59] * Adya will help neofutur
[20:59] <piless_> hamitron: IRC is a bit crap imo, with a forum, you will get a high percentage of lurkers who will search, find a post with the same problem, see an answer and go on their way. On irc there is no easy to search archive, you're forcing each user to ask the same silly questions over and over.
[20:59] <neofutur> ah lets go, i ll setup my r.pi.gw.gd forum now
[20:59] <Gadgetoid> piless_: The logs are posted online, we could easily aggregate them
[20:59] <Adya> What?
[21:00] <Gadgetoid> I've been thinking about making a search page for the #raspberrypi logs
[21:00] <piless_> Gadgetoid: aggregate how?
[21:00] <Adya> What does your domain name mean?
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[21:00] <neofutur> gateway
[21:00] <Gadgetoid> piless_: pull the whole lot into a database and apply some crazy heuristics to make finding useful information easier
[21:00] <neofutur> and gw.gd is an opensource shortener shortener
[21:00] <mkopack> Grrr.. does NOBODY sell a 4port USB/HDMI (or just USB KV, no M) switch?!?! The only ones I've found are either KVM and use VGA or if they have HDMI they're like $300+
[21:00] <Adya> Neofutur, have you got icq or skype?
[21:01] <neofutur> nop no blackbo here
[21:01] <neofutur> only irc and mail
[21:01] <neofutur> but i m here 24 / 24 in ssh/screen/irssi
[21:01] <Gadgetoid> If PiBot were co-operative, it could push stuff into the database for us ;)
[21:01] <Demp> can anyone recommend a good 8gb sd card and wifi dongle for the raspberry pi?
[21:01] <neofutur> you dont need skype or ica to find me ;)
[21:01] <piless_> Gadgetoid: You will still pick up a lot of noise though, so it you can find the someone else asking the question, then a load of unrelevent chatter.
[21:02] <plugwash> startech do a 4 port USB/DVI one which you could probablly use with DVI-HDMI adapter cables
[21:02] <Adya> I use Goodram 8gb
[21:02] <piless_> wtf is goodram?
[21:02] <Adya> Neofutur, register please skype:)
[21:02] <Demp> yeah, never heard of it
[21:02] <Gadgetoid> piless_: Yeah, it'd need a bit of curating
[21:02] <Adya> :(
[21:03] <Adya> Goodram is manufacturer:)
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[21:03] <piless_> Gadgetoid: Maybe if they implemented some sort of tagging system :D
[21:03] <neofutur> Adya: not interested in voice chat sorry
[21:03] <Gadgetoid> I'd like a bot that searches the logs to see if a question has been answered before, and parrots out the diagnostic steps like a baus
[21:03] <neofutur> irc is much more efficient than skyp to work on a project
[21:04] <Adya> Not voice but text chat
[21:04] <Adya> Or icq:)
[21:04] <hotwings> neofutur is just shy
[21:04] <neofutur> why not here on irc ?
[21:04] <hotwings> he hasnt plucked his unibrow in a while
[21:04] <piless_> neofutur: well not *here*, you'll need your own quieter channel
[21:04] <neofutur> hotwings: nop i m just using irc for 10 years and like it
[21:04] <Adya> It's not comfortable for me
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[21:04] <neofutur> even my customers have to come on irc if they want good support
[21:04] <hotwings> neofutur - most shy people like irc!
[21:04] <piless_> neofutur: that is stupid.
[21:05] <piless_> neofutur: I hope you set up a freenode webchat page you point them to.
[21:06] <hamitron> mkopack, why would you worry about having a mouse function on a KVM? just leave it not connected?
[21:06] <dmsuse> hmm so rs are sending out emails to order 2 months before they will even ship it.... they are trying to put farnell out of business lol
[21:06] <mkopack> Sorry, don't need V, just KM
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[21:06] <mkopack> got my letters confused :)
[21:06] <hamitron> mkopack, same applies
[21:06] <hotwings> requiring irc to get good support? ......wow
[21:06] <piless_> mkopack: this? http://www.amazon.co.uk/StarTech-com-Port-HDMI-Switch-Audio/dp/B003AVPUZQ
[21:07] <hamitron> although, synergy+ is nice for that also
[21:07] <kvarley> Are there any generic kernels for the rpi? Pre-built ofc
[21:07] <piless_> kvarley: raspbian?
[21:07] <Adya> Neofutur, don't be shy:(
[21:07] <mkopack> Basically I want to be able to hook up the 3 Rpis+Panda to a single switch box and hook a single mouse/KM to that switch box and be able to switch between which unit has the KB/Mouse at that time. I can get a HDMI switcher already to handle the video. It's the USB that's the problem
[21:07] <kvarley> piless_: Ok, would that be possible to take their kernel and use it to boot my own filesystem?
[21:07] <mkopack> Nice but I need 4 port, and that's like $300 then
[21:08] <mkopack> see what i'm trying to do?
[21:08] <piless_> kvarley: ask plugwash
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[21:08] <mkopack> Seems like nearly all the KVMs I find are VGA and the way the cabling is done you can't just not connect the VGA port. It's all an integrated cable
[21:08] <piless_> the picture has 4 usb ports
[21:08] <n17ikh> mkopack: I'd just use a DVI KVM.. if HDMI audio is a problem (might not be) you can get a USB switch box
[21:09] <hotwings> probably way cheaper to just build your own switcher mkopack
[21:09] <n17ikh> mkopack: also there is nothing stopping you from not connecting the vga cable if you have a KVM like that..
[21:10] <piless_> probably way cheaper to just buy 3 mice/keyboards
[21:10] <n17ikh> it's not like the KVM police are gonna come around and check if you have it connected
[21:10] <n17ikh> IIRC my USB switch box with 4 input ports was under $10
[21:10] <IT_Sean> Are you sure? I heard those KVM Police can be real buggers!
[21:11] <mkopack> Either that or I just hook the Kb/mouse up through a single 2 port unpowered hub, and move it's cable manually between the 4 computers when needed
[21:11] <piless_> mkopack: or make a robot to move the cabel
[21:11] <piless_> *cable
[21:11] <mkopack> Depending on what I get for the 4 powered hubs though, that might work better though
[21:11] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: I just solved my layouting problems
[21:12] <IT_Sean> n17ikh: got a link to that USB switch?
[21:12] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: trivial!
[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid, you around?
[21:12] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: Aye
[21:13] <piless_> IT_Sean: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005LMX0IG
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[21:13] <IT_Sean> thx
[21:13] <Cheery> if you want proper GUI.. implement/include constraint solving library.
[21:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid, got a new xecloader kernel built with ssh and proper switch_root support which is able to boot openelec =D
[21:14] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: Awesome sauce!??
[21:14] <ShiftPlusOne> A bit too lazy to do a proper Menu though, so I just did it in a quick dodgy way
[21:14] <ShiftPlusOne> but it works
[21:14] <piless_> IT_Sean: This one has a remote switch for a little bit more, http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002NTIZCG
[21:15] <Gadgetoid> I'll take a look and see what I can backport from my uber menu
[21:15] <hamitron> mkopack, I'd get this http://www.ebuyer.com/142317-startech-starview-4-port-mini-usb-kvm-switch-with-audio-switching-inc-sv411kusb
[21:15] <neofutur> piless_: yes there could be a freenode webchat , but mybestbb also includes his own webchat ;)
[21:15] <Gadgetoid> I've got a lot of testing to do, eeek, but I wanted Menu.sh to serve as a default-boot-option changer in the currently booted OS
[21:16] <hotwings> 4 port usb switch for $60? daaaamn
[21:16] <piless_> boot option changer? like grub?
[21:16] <mkopack> Vga
[21:16] <Gadgetoid> Although the lazy way is still: echo <option number> | sudo tee /boot/default.txt
[21:16] <hamitron> I thought you said you'd use a hdmi switch
[21:16] <piless_> hotwings: ??????????????????????????????3
[21:17] <n17ikh> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10111&cs_id=1011101&p_id=2996&seq=1&format=2
[21:17] <n17ikh> more like $20 for that one
[21:17] <mkopack> I NEED HDMi, that one is VGA
[21:17] <mkopack> at least that's what the details said
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid, I've got to rebuild it again.. missed something, but I'll upload it and give you the link when it's all rebuilt
[21:17] <hotwings> how do you get ??3 from ??60.11 exactly?
[21:17] <hamitron> tbh, I think I'd just use one of them hdmi selector boxes, and use synergy+
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[21:17] <piless_> hotwings: you said $, I said ??.
[21:17] <n17ikh> yeah, synergy is also a decent solution
[21:18] <hotwings> even the two port one you linked is ??13.88
[21:18] <piless_> hotwings: ?? = shift + 3 on uk layouts, I let go of shift early :P
[21:18] <mkopack> Synergy is an option ,except there's no guarantee I will be in X all the time, so don't see how that'd work otherwise
[21:18] <hotwings> i would definitely just build my own switcher for those prices
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[21:19] <hamitron> perhaps you should just use a normal comp, then ssh into them
[21:19] <hamitron> ;)
[21:19] <piless_> hotwings: go on then, and then make a tutorial for the rest of us
[21:20] <hotwings> i dont need one but if i do, sure
[21:20] <hamitron> combined with synergy for gui stuff
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[21:27] <Adya> So, why are everybody quiet?
[21:28] * piless_ (piless@ Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[21:29] <Adya> I liked new forum idea:)
[21:29] <Adya> And I don't want to make q&a:)
[21:30] <Adya> New forum startup is better:)
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[21:31] * Adya is sad because nobody replies him:(
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[21:32] * Adya asks, anybody here?
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[21:32] <pimore> no
[21:33] <Adya> Nope:)
[21:33] <pimore> Adya: Does your client not display a list of connected users to the right?
[21:33] <Adya> Pimore, no
[21:34] <pimore> Well there's over 400
[21:34] <Adya> :(
[21:34] <pimore> and only half of them are bots
[21:34] <Adya> Over 400 are unactive:)
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> Adya, I've been having some supper ...
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> I tend to eat away from my PC :)
[21:35] <Adya> What about new forum?
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> You can type /who #raspberrypi
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> what about a new forum?
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[21:36] <Adya> Gordon, well, it's good in health way:)
[21:36] <pimore> Will there be boobs?
[21:36] <Adya> Pimore, there could be children:)
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> wrong type of forum, pimore ...
[21:36] <ReggieUK> Indeed, don't start piless
[21:37] <Adya> Yeah:)
[21:37] <pimore> piless no more!
[21:37] <pimore> For I am now known as pimore!
[21:37] <ReggieUK> you'll always be known as piless
[21:37] <pimore> no look
[21:37] <ReggieUK> you'll never shake the moniker
[21:37] <pimore> <----------------
[21:37] <pimore> pimore
[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> <piless> <----------------
[21:38] <pimore> ohshi-
[21:38] <ReggieUK> whois pimore
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[21:38] <ReggieUK> pimore is is ~piless@ * piless
[21:38] <Adya> Pile, or pila in ukranian sounds like a saw
[21:38] <ReggieUK> ^^^ durp
[21:38] <ReggieUK> namechange fail
[21:38] <pimore> ReggieUK: It's going to show that because I grouped it.
[21:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Adya, and Russian.
[21:39] <ReggieUK> when did your pi turn up then piless?
[21:39] <Adya> An official forum is not comfortable at all:) so, unofficial will be a good idea
[21:40] <Adya> On vbulletin maybe:)
[21:40] <pimore> ReggieUK: A while ago, but I haven't had access to the address I shipped it too
[21:41] <Adya> I don't like phpbb:)
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> don't you have to pay for vbulletin?
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> I once got threatened by some vB vigilante...
[21:41] <Adya> Nulled...
[21:41] <ReggieUK> mine was delivered this afternoon
[21:42] <pimore> ReggieUK: What are you running on it?
[21:42] <ReggieUK> nothing yet
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> one of my clients was running vB and hadn't renrewed his protection money..
[21:42] <ReggieUK> don't have much enthusiasm today for some reason
[21:42] <pimore> ReggieUK: cocaine
[21:42] <ReggieUK> I downloaded the debian image from the foundation
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> I've worked out what to do to make my app run on the console of the Pi.
[21:42] <pimore> ReggieUK: Try raspbian
[21:42] <ReggieUK> pimore, inappropriate
[21:43] <ReggieUK> and I have also downloaded raspbian
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> so now I can run it in X or on the console and it "just works".
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> most of the time.
[21:43] <pimore> it echos "just works"?
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> PRINT "just works"
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> Yes, it'll do that.
[21:43] <pimore> most of the time
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> sometimes the Pi crashes.
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> and I have to reboot it/power cycle it.
[21:44] <pimore> turn it upside down
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> tried that. didn't help.
[21:44] <pimore> Can't you set it up to reset itself?
[21:44] <Adya> Mine crashes either:)
[21:44] <IT_Sean> turn it sideways
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[21:44] <Adya> Reboot helps:)
[21:45] <Adya> It sean, you're joking:)
[21:45] <IT_Sean> am i?
[21:45] <pimore> yes
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[21:45] <gordonDrogon> it's most odd though - I can run & exit my app 3-4 times, but eventually the Pi still just stop.
[21:45] <Adya> Tilt it:)
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> might try running/exiting X to see if the same happens...
[21:46] <Adya> Give a prooflink
[21:46] <pimore> Adya: no no don't tilt it, hdds don't like being at odd angles
[21:46] <neofutur> ok, r.pi.gw.gd ready
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> need a mouse with a longer tail..
[21:46] <neofutur> feeel free to suggest categories, forums and and subforums
[21:46] * neofutur recruiting posters and moderators
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[21:46] <pimore> I'm always suspicious of sites with a million subdomains
[21:47] <Adya> YOU NEED A WIRRELES MOUSE:) Lol:)
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> I have one.
[21:47] <Adya> Neofutur
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> But it's in my laptop bag and my long tailed mouse is next to me.
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[21:47] <Adya> I'm going to be admin
[21:48] <Adya> Or moderator
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> however last time I used it on a Pi, I was seeing odd messages in the logs and it crashes.
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[21:48] <pimore> make me a mod and I promise to only abuse my powers between 6pm and 10pm
[21:49] <Adya> Neofutur I can help you
[21:49] * gordonDrogon sighs. Raspbian takes ages to boot now - minutes of errors about the SD card ):
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[21:49] <pimore> gordonDrogon: #raspbian?
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> there is a #raspbian channel?
[21:49] <pimore> yeah
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> well technically it's not raspbian, but bootc's kernel...
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> which I compiled myself.
[21:50] <pimore> oh
[21:50] <amelia_> Any more exciting suggestions for my Pi than replacing stock Debian with OpenELEC + XBMC?
[21:50] <pimore> well the two raspbian devs hang out in there anyway if you need their help
[21:51] <ShiftPlusOne> amelia_, get multi-boot working
[21:51] <Adya> Neofutur, are you here?
[21:51] <pimore> amelia_: paint it blue
[21:51] <neofutur> Adya: register I ll make you moderator
[21:51] <Adya> Can help you all the day:)
[21:51] <neofutur> setting up the registration verification and antispam systems
[21:52] <amelia_> I'm not painting it, or giving it away :P lol.. and multi-boot isn't hugely necessary atm :D
[21:52] <pimore> yes it is
[21:52] <Adya> Neofutur, give me url
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[21:52] <hamitron> add virtual machine support
[21:52] <pimore> amelia_: test drive fedora 17
[21:52] <D34TH> why not sha25
[21:52] <D34TH> 256
[21:53] <dmsuse> Adya: play with the gpio.. no 1 cares about stupid different distros, they are all the same kernel so its pointless
[21:53] <neofutur> Adya: r.pi.gw.gd
[21:53] <D34TH> whoops wrong window
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[21:53] <neofutur> or raspberry.pi.gw.gd
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[21:53] <amelia_> neofutur: doesn't exactly roll off the tongue...
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[21:54] <pimore> raspberry.pi.gonewild.gooddog?
[21:55] <anish> heh
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[21:56] <einonm> I've written a bit of a post about setting up a RasPi for development, if anyone is interested - https://bit.ly/JVKvOk
[21:56] <pimore> unpopularraspberrypiforum.xxx is available
[21:56] <GabrialDestruir> So I'm stuck with one of those "Smart Meters" now
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[21:57] <GabrialDestruir> For the power that is.
[21:57] <IT_Sean> GabrialDestruir: if you put it near your head, does it register any smart?
[21:57] <IT_Sean> ooooh. for power.
[21:57] <IT_Sean> nevermind/
[21:57] <pimore> GabrialDestruir: link?
[21:57] <neofutur> http://gw.gd/rpi
[21:57] <neofutur> if you prefer
[21:57] <Adya> Neofutur
[21:57] <pimore> it still looks crap
[21:57] <pimore> buy a cheap domain
[21:58] <Adya> How could you write directly to me?
[21:58] <pimore> Adya: /msg
[21:58] <Adya> I'm gonna help you with domain
[21:58] <GabrialDestruir> I don't have a specific link, but it's suppose to be all sorts of "Advanced technology, save tons of energy, save the planet" type crap.
[21:58] <IT_Sean> /query NICK will allow you to set up a proviate chat, guys.
[21:58] <IT_Sean> *private
[21:58] <pimore> GabrialDestruir: how?
[21:58] * amelia_ mentions nothing about being a free-software-and-pi-loving host and domain registration provider.. :P
[21:59] <GabrialDestruir> Hell if I know.
[21:59] <pimore> amelia_: are you one of these scummy ones that automatically registers domains that are whois'd on their site and then charges you more for them?
[22:00] <GabrialDestruir> I'm just waiting for them to get hacked so I can upgrade the firmare in mine to do Energy Consumption / 2 that way when they're reading it they see half the energy consumption and I get half the bill xD
[22:00] <pimore> waiting for them to get hacked?!
[22:00] <neofutur> pimore: buy a better domain if you want
[22:00] <amelia_> pimore: I'm not a scummy anything, and certainly not a domain squatter.
[22:00] <neofutur> I eant people to find information and i know I ll have a good SEO
[22:01] <pimore> amelia_: you look scummy
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir> Sure... they're running a "secure wifi network" they're bound to get hacked. lol
[22:01] <amelia_> pimore: so does your face.
[22:01] <neofutur> you can buy a silly name if you want, i dont care :p
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir> er sorry
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir> "secure wireless network"
[22:01] <pimore> GabrialDestruir: plenty of wireless networks are secure, don't use wep, limit macs, and you're sorted.
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[22:02] <pimore> oh and turn off wps
[22:02] <GabrialDestruir> Nah, they use some sort of proprietary Radio Frequency network.
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[22:03] <pimore> uhuh
[22:03] <lautriv> hello, anyone used to g_serial ?
[22:03] <GabrialDestruir> But still, they're bound to get hacked because it is wireless.
[22:03] <pimore> GabrialDestruir: Umm
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[22:04] <IT_Sean> GabrialDestruir: they are probably set up to only share usage info wirelessly. They are probably not PROGRAMMABLE wirelessly.
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[22:05] <pimore> lautriv: the rpi isn't a usb gadget
[22:05] <GabrialDestruir> Eh maybe not, but the fact that the dude was screwing with it from his little handheld device makes me think otherwise.
[22:05] <IT_Sean> he was probably running diagnostics or something, or activating it
[22:06] <Gadgetoid> Hee hee, I'm scraping the IRC logs :)
[22:06] <IT_Sean> i assure you, they would not leave it programmable to the world
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[22:06] <freezer> hi
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[22:06] <IT_Sean> 'ello
[22:06] <freezer> what's the Pi's maximum SD read/write speed?
[22:06] <GabrialDestruir> Not by default but if it can accept commands it would mean it's to some extent programmable
[22:06] <lautriv> pimore but it may act for a host.
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[22:07] <pimore> Gadgetoid: You might aswell fix the time stamps while you're at it. They're supposed to be GMT but they're really GMT+2
[22:07] <amelia_> Should be UTC ;)
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[22:08] <pimore> amelia_: GMT = UTC
[22:08] <Gadgetoid> What tricker is this: piless_has the most mentions, at 17
[22:08] <pimore> wooo I'm popular
[22:08] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently the EMF from "Smart Meters" will get rid of bees? Wow...
[22:08] <freezer> seems like it's SD only
[22:08] <IT_Sean> infamous is more like it.
[22:08] <Gadgetoid> You've been mentioned by the most people??? you should probably keep a low profile :D
[22:09] <amelia_> pimore: close, but no cigar.
[22:09] <zgreg> finally got my raspberry pi :)
[22:09] <freezer> so it probably wont help at all to buy a highspeed card
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[22:09] <pimore> amelia_: what?
[22:09] <IT_Sean> Correct, freezer
[22:09] <pimore> amelia_: Google "time in UTC". And tell me what you see.
[22:10] <amelia_> Prior to 1972, this time was called Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) but is now referred to as Coordinated Universal Time or Universal Time Coordinated (UTC). It is a coordinated time scale, maintained by the Bureau International des Poids et Mesures (BIPM). It is also known a "Z time" or "Zulu Time".
[22:10] <pimore> amelia_: butthurt continentals have been trolling wikipedia again
[22:10] <amelia_> Not been anywhere near it
[22:10] <amelia_> and not continental
[22:11] <Matt> pimore: actually GMT != UTC
[22:11] <Matt> GMT has leap seconds, UTC doesn't
[22:11] <pimore> Matt: Oh
[22:11] <amelia_> pimore: if you had the first clue about timekeeping, especially on items such as servers and in global communications systems, you'd realise that UTC is correct - and whilst GMT is still a timezone, UTC is the only correct - and scientifically accurate, unlike GMT
[22:11] <amelia_> Matt: thank you
[22:11] * kvarley just got a distro running on the RaspberryPi that isn't on the wiki =]
[22:12] <pimore> Gadgetoid: People have been talking about me behind my back?
[22:12] <freezer> IT_Sean, do you know the limits? i can't find anything
[22:12] <IT_Sean> sorry, i'm on a call.
[22:12] <freezer> one site says 3.6MB/s read and 0.8MB/s write
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[22:13] <pimore> freezer: That doesn't sound right at all.
[22:14] <pimore> amelia_: we invented time, we should get to call our timezone whatever we like.
[22:14] <freezer> pimore, can you prove it wrong?
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[22:16] <pimore> freezer: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5057
[22:16] <amelia_> pimore: and you call _me_ butthurt? Face it, I'm right, and I didn't have to resort to assuming... GMT is as much a timezone as PST, EST, CST, and whatnot.. but you'll find most timezones are UTC+- x-offset... UTC is the scientifically measured base time used internationally - you're behind the times. old boy.
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[22:17] <GabrialDestruir> Heh...
[22:18] <pimore> amelia_: the uk, belgium, ireland and canada define their time by reference to GMT
[22:18] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently if you're feeling negative affects of EMF you can buy a "EMF Protection System" which apparently negates all EMF in the entire house.
[22:18] <Gadgetoid> Now I'm building an ordered list of mentioned words, to compare against a dictionary of common words and find topics
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[22:19] <amelia_> pimore: they may call it that, but it's still not right. Local, perhaps, but not international.. ergo this room is an UTC + offset, not GMT +
[22:19] <pimore> amelia_: the logs say gmt
[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> amelia_, you've got nothing to gain arguing with piless.
[22:19] <pimore> ShiftPlusOne: pimore
[22:20] <amelia_> ShiftPlusOne: I know, but still. One hopes he may learn. Also, pimore, piless, same thing
[22:20] <GabrialDestruir> 300 dollars for something you plug into the wall that supposed counteracts all EMFs?
[22:20] <amelia_> pimore / piless / whoever you want to call yourself: logs may say that, doesn't make it right. Go speak to the people at the Royal Observatory and see if they'll show you how wrong you are.
[22:20] <pimore> GabrialDestruir: illegal
[22:21] <Matt> amelia_: it is rather a trivial thing to argue over :)
[22:21] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently not.
[22:21] <GabrialDestruir> At least not where ever this site is based.
[22:21] <Matt> you're talking about an accuracy of 1 second every x years (I forget how many it actually works out to be)
[22:21] <kvarley> Somebody mentioned /opt modules or something to me the other day. What modules do I need to include in my filesystem for the rpi?
[22:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Matt, someone being WRONG on the internet is NOT trivial! >=O
[22:21] <GabrialDestruir> Which is likely america.
[22:21] <pimore> does it block mobile phone signals?
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[22:22] <pimore> kvarley: all of them
[22:22] <GabrialDestruir> Eh I have no clue, it doesn't say HOW it works.
[22:22] <IT_Sean> amelia_: arguing with piless is like urinating upwind. It'll only come back to slap you in the face.
[22:22] <GabrialDestruir> Only makes claims that you plug it in and it works.
[22:22] <pimore> IT_Sean: she doesn't have a willy
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[22:23] <Zenith2011> hi all, hows things
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[22:23] <ukscone> and the logs & the freenode serveer are wrong anyway
[22:23] <pimore> GabrialDestruir: if it blocks mobile phone signals then it's illegal
[22:23] <GabrialDestruir> Oh
[22:23] <ukscone> the time is whatever i say it is
[22:23] <kvarley> pimore: I meant where are they? Like what path?
[22:23] <GabrialDestruir> It "changes the resonation" of your body
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[22:23] <GabrialDestruir> and apparently that blocks the EMFs from entering/affecting your body.
[22:24] <pimore> ukscone: I said that earlier, they are GMT +2, which set amelia_ off.
[22:24] <des2> That's what the aluminum foil hat is for
[22:24] <amelia_> pimore: "In everyday life we use the time displayed on our clocks and watches. In the UK we use Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), the modern equivalent of Greenwich Mean Time (GMT)..." - whose that from, I wonder? The Royal Observatory? Nice, British institution? The keepers of time? In your words, the inventors of time? And THEY use UTC? shock horror
[22:24] <ukscone> pimore: well they aren't right anyway as they are whatever time the server that the bot runs on
[22:25] <GabrialDestruir> lmao.... is electrosensitivity a real thing? xD
[22:25] <amelia_> GabrialDestruir: debatable. Those suffering it would say yes.
[22:25] <Zenith2011> hi all, i'm using the debian squeeze image on my pi, i've connected a USB hard drive, but I'm stick with what to do next so I can open the files on the USB drive on my pi, can anyone help please?
[22:25] <amelia_> The scientific community is however out to lunch on it :P
[22:25] <ukscone> which is not a time that i acknowlege exists anyway there are only two times i care about -- breakfast and dinner time
[22:25] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently...
[22:26] <GabrialDestruir> The symptoms for electrosensitivity.... is ev erything short of cancer xD
[22:26] <pimore> ukscone: what about lunch?
[22:26] <ukscone> amelia_: actually UTC doesn't mean what you think it does :) it means Ukscone Time Coords e.g. where ever i am at any one time :)
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[22:26] <mpthompson> Zenith2011, do you know the device name the USB drive has on the system?
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[22:26] <amelia_> ukscone: *facepalm* how could I forget? Sincerest apologies, oh sconelike one :P
[22:27] <Zenith2011> i thought it meant universal time carelessness and was for people who just sat about watching the world go by?
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[22:28] <ukscone> amelia_: i am probably wrong but iirc UTC stays the same GMT is sometimes UTC but during the summer (or winter i forget which) it's off by an hour
[22:28] <Gadgetoid> 23677 substitutions, whee
[22:28] <ukscone> and we only invented it to piss the french off anyway :)
[22:28] <GabrialDestruir> Currently, there is no definite cure for ElectroSensitivity. Every individual has a unique set of symptoms and a common mechanism for the cause of the disease has not yet been established. However, there are treatments available, with which people have varying levels of success.
[22:28] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[22:29] <pimore> amelia_: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1978/30/section/9
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[22:29] <neofutur> the foxclocks FF addon is great to always know UTC, GMT, EST, . . .
[22:29] <GabrialDestruir> I love that "Every individual has a unique set of symptoms" which means you could have anything claim it's electrosensitivity and voila
[22:29] <Gadgetoid> electrosensitivity is a psychosomatic illness
[22:29] <amelia_> ukscone: GMT in winter, BST in summer when it's UTC+1
[22:30] <pimore> amelia_: BST = GMT + 1
[22:30] <GabrialDestruir> I figured as much.
[22:30] <RITRedbeard> so you have daylight savings
[22:30] <amelia_> pimore: doesn't mean it's right. Also gives freemen the right to drive geese through the city of London, what of it?
[22:30] <RITRedbeard> but you don't call it that
[22:30] <GabrialDestruir> But it's entertaining to read all this crap around smart meters
[22:30] <ukscone> amelia_: that's it -- thnx i've been out of the country so long i forget some of the little things although i still remember predecimalization prices for licorice sticks
[22:31] <pimore> daylight savings are such an outdated concept anyway.. We should get rid of them. They were created for farmers.
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[22:31] <Zenith2011> pimore, and I believe farmers don't even want it themselves nowadays
[22:31] <ukscone> pimore: farmers and school children -- they removed it around 73 because of the energy criss in the uk and kids got killed walking to school
[22:32] <RITRedbeard> the department of jobs or whatever in US found it made no difference
[22:32] <ukscone> so put it back the next year or the year after
[22:32] <Zenith2011> guys can I vnc onto my pi?
[22:32] <GabrialDestruir> If everyone is so worried about EMF's why don't companies just start putting EMF shielding in all their stuff then they can claim "EMF Shielded, you'll never feel negative affects with this"
[22:32] <pimore> it's like how driving on the right has a slightly lower fatality rate than the left, because of how your reactions work or something.
[22:33] <dmsuse> Zenith2011: yes but why would you want to ?
[22:33] <pimore> GabrialDestruir: Yes, it's called a ferrite bead.
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[22:33] <Zenith2011> so I can carry on watching telly while it's installing things
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[22:33] <GabrialDestruir> Most things don't have those anymore... lol
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[22:34] <dmsuse> Zenith2011: then you want ssh not vnc
[22:34] <pimore> Zenith2011: ssh might be better suited.
[22:34] <ukscone> pimore: but driving on the right costs more lives when involved in a joust or sword fight
[22:34] <pimore> ukscone: what if they're left handed?
[22:34] <IT_Sean> O_o
[22:34] <GabrialDestruir> Actually.... it's been ages since I've scene a cord with a Ferrite bead...
[22:34] <Zenith2011> ssh is command line only though isn't it?
[22:34] <ReggieUK> they will be forced to learn to fight right handed
[22:34] <ukscone> pimore: then they should have been put down at birth for being weird anyway
[22:34] <ukscone> so they don't count
[22:34] <pimore> GabrialDestruir: You don't use many cords then
[22:34] <des2> Stop buying the cheap ones from china
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[22:34] * ReggieUK shakes his left fist at ukscone
[22:35] <dmsuse> Zenith2011: you can do much more in commandline than you can do in graphical
[22:35] <ReggieUK> nothing wrong with being left-handed
[22:35] <ukscone> ReggieUK: you are the exception that proves the rule
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[22:35] <ReggieUK> pimore was always known as piless, no idea who he thinks he was kidding!
[22:35] <GabrialDestruir> None of my USB cords have them, and they're not "cheap china" cords, just whatever happened to come with my device.
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[22:35] * gordonDrogon is left handed.
[22:36] <piless> left-handedness leads to being alergic to lettuce. They're better off never living
[22:36] <Zenith2011> well lets say I was new-old fashioned and fancied VNC, any ideas if it's supported on ARM?
[22:36] <coolpot> hi all :)
[22:36] <des2> There's something sinister about gordonDrogon.
[22:36] <piless> ReggieUK: piless = no pi, pimore = pi
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> I'm not alergic to anything...
[22:36] <dmsuse> Zenith2011: just type apt-cache search vnc you will see lots of vnc servers
[22:36] <piless> gordonDrogon: ReggieUK is
[22:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Zenith2011, ofcourse
[22:37] <ReggieUK> piless, it's not an allergy
[22:37] <dmsuse> but graphical mode is really bad.. there aint nothing u can do graphical u cant do commandline
[22:37] <coolpot> Can i ask what is the best way of getting XBMC, like there are a few options, openElec, RASPMC whats best?
[22:37] <coolpot> i just updated to latest openelec and it crashes :p
[22:37] <Zenith2011> see there should be GUIs for this kind of thing
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[22:37] <piless> http://whatscookingamerica.net/Sandwich/Lettuce.jpg
[22:37] <Zenith2011> yes dmsuse, but command line only works if you know what you need to type, its hard to accidentally find functionality if you're requried to type something
[22:37] <Zenith2011> whereas graphical you can take a look a round and figure things out
[22:38] <piless> ssh can do graphical
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[22:38] <dmsuse> but the graphical mode on the pi is basically useless.. its lightweight, has barely any tools :P
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[22:39] <dmsuse> unless you install some.. which involves using commandline :P you can't escape from it ;)
[22:39] <freezer> apple product are being made in china
[22:39] <piless> Gadgetoid: Are you going to put up a page proving me as the popular one?
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> freezer, Pi products are being made in china. Not sure what your point is?
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[22:40] <piless> GabrialDestruir: usb cords don't need them.
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[22:40] <freezer> ask GabrialDestruir
[22:40] <piless> GabrialDestruir: It's more like power cords and display cords
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> what's not made in china these days...
[22:40] <Gadgetoid> piless: nah :P I'm scanning for non-dictionary words used frequently
[22:40] <piless> gordonDrogon: my house
[22:40] <Zenith2011> dmsuse, haha so i can use graphical tools that allow me to avoid learning command line stuff if I learn the command line stuff to install the graphical tools? awesomeness
[22:41] <piless> Gadgetoid: It needs a webpage!
[22:41] <dmsuse> Zenith2011: you got it :D
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> piless, well no. not the bricks. probably not the bricks.
[22:41] <freezer> hightech weapons
[22:41] <dmsuse> Zenith2011: tell me if u need any help :P
[22:41] <Gadgetoid> piless: I'll probably embed the result into pi.gadgetoid.com once I've got something useful
[22:41] <IT_Sean> Zenith2011: it's Linux. Get used to the CLI
[22:41] <piless> yay
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[22:41] <gordonDrogon> I know people who use Linux without the command-line.
[22:41] <piless> Gadgetoid: I think proving I'm popular is useful enough.
[22:41] <Zenith2011> yeah i used linux a little bit years and years ago, cant remember anything since then and even then I didn't know much command line stuff
[22:42] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: sure on a full bloated kde desktop thats possible :P
[22:42] <Zenith2011> im trying to figure why i cant access my USB drive, its not showing up anywhere on the pi, would it normally appear in /mnt?
[22:42] <piless> Zenith2011: You need a cheat sheet.
[22:42] <coolpot> i dont see the point in linux gui, the full ones use more ram etc than windows
[22:42] <dmsuse> Zenith2011: type fdisk -ls
[22:42] <piless> Zenith2011: It's probably not getting enough power.
[22:42] <dmsuse> Zenith2011: type sudo fdisk -ls
[22:42] <Zenith2011> yeah im wondering about power, as it's a lappy hdd powered from USB only
[22:43] <piless> Zenith2011: You will need a powered usb hub
[22:43] <mjr> don't even dream about powering it through the pi
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, my wife uses Gnome on Debian.
[22:43] <freezer> i'm using a 850mA rated motorola charger
[22:43] <freezer> hope it's enough
[22:43] <piless> no
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> if it boots, it's enough ...
[22:43] <Zenith2011> if i do fdisk -ls nothing at all shows up
[22:43] <mjr> freezer, it is, though limits (further) what you can put on the usbs without a powered hub
[22:43] <freezer> it does boot, but it has SD read problems
[22:43] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: gnome is bloatware too :P
[22:44] <Zenith2011> i got a 5v/1A HTC charger from amazon for only a couple quid
[22:44] <freezer> but i need to buy a bigger sd card first
[22:44] <piless> the pi itself will use over 700mAh, and the usb hdd will want quite a lot.
[22:44] <IT_Sean> your drive is probably not getting enough power. Is it piugged directly into the Pi, or is it in a powered hub??
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, that it may be, but it lets her use the PC to good effect.
[22:44] <freezer> 1GB wont take the whole image
[22:44] <Zenith2011> IT_Sean its directly into the pi, that probably explains it then I guess
[22:44] <coolpot> lol
[22:44] <IT_Sean> Yup.
[22:44] <Zenith2011> need either a powered USB hdd or a powered hub
[22:44] <IT_Sean> You need a powered hub
[22:44] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: ive never liked gnome and the new tablet friendly thing they just made is even worse :O
[22:44] <piless> I already said all this...
[22:44] <coolpot> my pi wont even take my keyboard and mouse
[22:45] <dmsuse> lol
[22:45] <Zenith2011> the hard drive i intend to use with it is a full desktop hdd in a caddy that has its own power, i'll give that a go the weekend and see if its any better
[22:45] <coolpot> for a drive , u def need powerd yusb
[22:45] <piless> coolpot: you need usb keyboard/mouse. Not PS/2
[22:45] <coolpot> lol
[22:45] <coolpot> it is, it just zaps all the power :D
[22:45] <coolpot> you can actually see the keyboard lights dimming
[22:45] <piless> coolpot: is it a fancy keyboard?
[22:46] <freezer> Logitech G15 haha
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, I don't like it either, but it's pronciple of least surprise for her cominf from XP...
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[22:46] <IT_Sean> Yeah, you need a powered hub for that kbd, too.
[22:46] <coolpot> nope, microsoft one has a few extra buttons, its fine with powered hub though :)
[22:46] <ShiftPlusOne> G15 doesn't work (well) without a hub.
[22:46] <piless> gordonDrogon: what's wrong with win7?
[22:46] <coolpot> im just saying that a drive would never work imo lol
[22:47] <coolpot> so people, what is the better way of getting XBMC on? theres the openelec, or others?
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> piless, I told her I'd not support windows, only Linux.
[22:47] <piless> gordonDrogon: Why does it need your support?
[22:47] <GabrialDestruir> We should legalize using Orphans for "Human Health Safety" Testing.... then we can take a few hundred of them and make them live in various scenarios, like one in a completely Wifi/Wireless/Cell Phone free enviroment, others in constant wifi enviorments, while even other groups in constant cell phone enviroments...
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> piless, who knows, but Win people seem to need support.
[22:48] <GabrialDestruir> Just to see the affects of it on the human body and put to rest all this contreversy around it ^_^
[22:48] <piless> GabrialDestruir: That already exists, it's called prison
[22:48] <Zenith2011> coolpot ive tried both of them today (with little success as I don't have a keyboard/mouse, lets not go there) but the openelec did support my wireless keyboard/trackpad thing (2.4ghz probably not bluetooth before anyone tells me off again)
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> piless, besides why should we use Win anything? We have a choice and we excercised that choice and chose Linux.
[22:48] <piless> gordonDrogon: Using win7 right now.
[22:49] <piless> Perfect for my needs.
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> piless, good for you.
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> piless, I'm happy for you....
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> piless, but I've never used Windows for over 12 years now and no intention of ever doing so in the future.
[22:49] <coolpot> Zenith2011, thats good, im using openelec too, i updated to lates version of it and the latest firmware for PI, but since, my usb memory sticks dont show up in xbmc, if i choose shutdown or reboot it crashes
[22:49] <coolpot> and plugins dopnt work
[22:49] <coolpot> lol
[22:49] <dmsuse> piless: you do anything more than search the web :P ?
[22:49] <piless> If she's not truely open to learning all the ins and outs of linux, then it's not really something you can force upon her. She'll just find it frustrating and confusing.
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[22:50] <gordonDrogon> piless, and I've been using unix and unix-like systems for over 30 years now, so I don't see the need to use anything else right now.
[22:50] <Zenith2011> coolpot, i didn't get that far due to the whole keyboard/mouse situation... i'll give them more of a go the weekend. Really looking forward to when raspbmc is a full release and not beta
[22:50] <piless> dmsuse: GAMES. Try that on linux.. HA
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> piless, it's a tool for her - a device to use email, document processing web, etc.
[22:50] <Zenith2011> not heard of openelec until today, so hoepfully that will be awesome too
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> she's not a programmer.
[22:50] <dmsuse> umm ive played lots of games running linux
[22:50] <dmsuse> your living in the past :P
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[22:51] <piless> dmsuse: quake3 doesn't count
[22:51] <GabrialDestruir> Prisons can hardly be considered apart of a proper test for a sterile (no wifi/wireless/cell phone radiation)
[22:51] <dmsuse> lol not quake3 :P
[22:51] <GabrialDestruir> environment*
[22:51] <piless> dmsuse: come back to me when linux has steam
[22:51] <piless> steam is the best drm
[22:51] <Zenith2011> we still on the whole windows/linux debate?
[22:52] <Zenith2011> mac's are better
[22:52] <nid0> get out.
[22:52] <piless> Zenith2011: It's only slightly worse than the gmt utc debate
[22:52] * Zenith2011 hasn't got one, just likes being awkward lol
[22:52] <Zenith2011> oh christ not that again
[22:52] <dmsuse> piless: nothing wrong with loading up vmware with full 3d support running crappy windows to play games :P
[22:52] <Zenith2011> its 21:54 and let that be the end of it
[22:52] <piless> Zenith2011: the perfect world for me would be mac hardware with windows software
[22:52] <Adya> Macs are expensive:(
[22:52] <Adya> Piless, yeah:)
[22:53] <Adya> Macs have intel
[22:53] <Zenith2011> the perfect world for me is just anything that's quick, works and doesn't cause me grief
[22:53] <Zenith2011> everything else I can work aroundd
[22:53] <piless> dmsuse: I've always found virtualization a bit sketchy
[22:53] <Adya> I like amd:)
[22:53] <dmsuse> piless: you have not tried vmware :P
[22:53] <piless> dmsuse: Not recently.
[22:54] <piless> I tried vmware and virtualbox a couple of years ago.
[22:54] <dmsuse> cool
[22:55] <IT_Sean> im off
[22:55] * IT_Sean (~Ult_Ubunt@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: off)
[22:55] <Zenith2011> right im off, night all thanks again for your help
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[22:56] <Adya> We left:)
[22:56] <piless> Gadgetoid: Who's 2nd most referenced?
[22:57] <Gadgetoid> piless: I believe you tied with gordonDrogon, actually :D
[22:57] <piless> shit
[22:57] <piless> I can't compete with gordonDrogon
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> ?
[22:57] <Adya> He's here:)
[22:58] <piless> gordonDrogon: Gadgetoid has been scraping the logs.
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> tied for what?
[22:58] <Gadgetoid> Most people mentioning you :D
[22:58] * Adya (~Adya@ Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[22:58] * gordonDrogon boggles!
[22:59] <Gadgetoid> I'm starting to get a list of common topics now: OpenELEC, RPi, BASIC, HDMI
[22:59] <des2> Don't forget sound
[22:59] <amelia_> :D
[22:59] <Gadgetoid> des2: It's automated, based on what's mentioned in the logs on XYZ day
[22:59] <amelia_> OMG NO SOUND !!!!!ELEVENTY!!ONE111!
[22:59] <piless> you could group them, so openelec also suggests xbmc
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[23:03] <piless> Gadgetoid: So is this scraper running on the pi?
[23:03] <Gadgetoid> piless: not yet, no
[23:04] * ChanServ sets mode +o ReggieUK
[23:04] <piless> Gadgetoid: You should get ukscone to let you leave a bot in here. It would cool to have a raspberry pi powered logger logging the raspberry pi channel
[23:04] * piless was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
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[23:04] <Gadgetoid> piless: It'd probably make it much easier to datamine the channel
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[23:04] * amelia_ awards ReggieUK a cookie
[23:04] <piless> What was that for??
[23:04] * ReggieUK noms
[23:05] <ReggieUK> I'm obviously not going to quote what you said :)
[23:05] <piless> time stamp
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[23:05] <ReggieUK> [21:55] <+piless>
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> nom? NOM?
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> It''s YUM YUM!!!
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[23:07] * ChanServ sets mode +o ShiftPlusOne
[23:07] * piless was kicked from #raspberrypi by ShiftPlusOne
[23:08] <ShiftPlusOne> just to make sure
[23:08] <ShiftPlusOne> (actually I missed that you've done that already) =(
[23:08] <ReggieUK> oh well, I'm sure theres been ones we've missed
[23:09] <amelia_> :P
[23:09] <ReggieUK> asynchronous ops ftw!
[23:10] <amelia_> :D
[23:10] <amelia_> PiOps, ASSEMBLE!
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[23:12] <n17ikh> sweet.. raspberry pi has arrived
[23:13] <amelia_> yaays!
[23:14] <bluelightning> lots of people being pied today
[23:15] <piless> bluelightning: half of them are lying so they'll fit in
[23:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid, www.xecdesign.com/downloads/XECLoader/xecloader-0.1.1.tar.gz the downside is that it's abit of a bahemoth at 9mb, however it's a perfectly servicable kernel to use with any distro.
[23:16] <Teebor> Finally got all cables etc for mine, its installing Raspbian as I sit here lurking ;)
[23:16] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: Awesome. I'll give it a punt!
[23:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Also, it's a bit restructured
[23:16] <piless> Gadgetoid: Why would you kick it?!
[23:16] <ShiftPlusOne> but should be self explanatory.
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[23:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid, also, don't try launching openelec from that second menu without modifying the startopenelec script to se the storage partition
[23:17] * Adya (~Adya@ Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: Righty, I haven't got an openelec install *yet*, so hopefully I'll learn something before I dive in
[23:19] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, lots of junk words leaking through into my output
[23:20] <ShiftPlusOne> junk words?
[23:20] <Gadgetoid> "openelec was mentioned 40 times"
[23:20] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: In my scrapy script :D
[23:20] <Gadgetoid> "raspbian was mentioned 31 times"
[23:20] <Gadgetoid> xbmc has been mentioned more times than Raspbian???. *cries*
[23:20] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o huh?
[23:21] <piless> piless was mentioned ???
[23:21] <GabrialDestruir> openelec
[23:21] <GabrialDestruir> openelec
[23:22] <GabrialDestruir> openelec
[23:22] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[23:22] <piless> xbmc
[23:22] <piless> xbmc
[23:22] <piless> xbmc
[23:22] * piless was kicked from #raspberrypi by ShiftPlusOne
[23:22] <amelia_> yaahs!
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[23:22] * PiBot sets mode +v piless
[23:22] <piless> ????
[23:22] <piless> I said it the exact same amount of times as GabrialDestruir and you KICK ME?!?!?
[23:22] <piless> what the hell?
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> Why are people saying openelec and xbmc?
[23:23] <piless> Idiot.
[23:23] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, but GabrialDestruir hasn't been a general annoyance for the past few hours
[23:23] <piless> ShiftPlusOne: You are not fit to be an OP.
[23:23] * ShiftPlusOne sets mode +b *!*@
[23:23] * piless was kicked from #raspberrypi by ShiftPlusOne
[23:23] <ShiftPlusOne> pl
[23:23] <amelia_> yes!
[23:23] <ShiftPlusOne> *ok
[23:23] * amelia_ awards ShiftPlusOne a whole BOX of cookies :P
[23:23] <ShiftPlusOne> hurray!
[23:24] <Gadgetoid> A whole box? where's mine!
[23:24] <xlq> The number of different USB connectors is insane.
[23:24] * ChanServ sets mode -o ShiftPlusOne
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[23:25] <xlq> [22:22] * amelia_ awards ShiftPlusOne a whole BOX of cookies :P
[23:25] <xlq> Don't forget to make it very clear that ShiftPlusOne is receiving cookies.
[23:26] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: yikes, the openelec startup script is madness :), nice work
[23:26] <plugwash> Yeah USB device side connectors are a mess, three standard ones and many many vendor specific ones
[23:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid, what kind of madness?
[23:27] <coolpot> anyone else have problems with USB memory sticks being recognised?
[23:27] <amelia_> ShiftPlusOne: by kickbanning piless you are entitled to a whole BOX of cookies. We do not use these cookies in any way except to give you enjoyment. We do not track the movement of the cookies within your body or when you remove them. Thank's to new UK ICO rules, we don' have to get your express permission, but assume implied consent - so eat away! :P
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[23:27] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: the good kind, I think??? I'm not qualified to know any better!
[23:27] <ShiftPlusOne> amelia_, lol
[23:27] * Skorski (~Skorski@163.willowbrook.wintek.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[23:27] <Gadgetoid> :) xecloader was mentioned 10 times
[23:27] <ShiftPlusOne> It's just an extremly cut down version of what the proper openelec kernel does.
[23:28] <ShiftPlusOne> what is this "was mentioned X times" think you keep going on about?
[23:28] <Gadgetoid> Now, I basically have to run this script for every day, shove the results into a database and I'll have a map of what has been talked about on what day which I can search against
[23:28] * amelia_ is offering you BOXO'COOKIES with in-built GPS. Accept or Deny?
[23:28] <GabrialDestruir> -clicks deny repeatedly-
[23:29] <Adya> Accept
[23:29] <Adya> Deny
[23:29] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: I'm datamining the IRC logs, creating a distinct list of words, culling all the dictionary words and producing a somewhat noisy list of topics
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ....wwwwhy? O_o
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> penis
[23:29] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, whats with our kernel modules, and kernel settings... you loose this with your kernel?
[23:29] * Adya (~Adya@ Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, yeah =(
[23:30] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: so I can trawl the IRC logs for troubleshooting
[23:30] <ReggieUK> what did I miss?
[23:30] <ReggieUK> why did piless get KB
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[23:30] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, but I've made squashfsed modules which gets mounted at boot (but that's lost on switch_root), there's an opportunity to insmod what people need beforehand. I haven't had much luck with that tough.
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[23:31] <GabrialDestruir> 951486273
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[23:31] <ukscone> SpeedEvil: have to be fair here unless you forgot the space and were going to say it was on the table please be a little more careful what you say :)
[23:31] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, it's just a hackish way to have 'something' working.
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[23:31] <sraue> ok
[23:31] <Gadgetoid> There was a lot of talk about "SD" yesterday, for example, and USB, compared to today??? wooo
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[23:32] <Gadgetoid> debian and raspbian were far more prominent than openelec yesterday, and something about ipv6
[23:32] <oldman> How do I install xbmc onto my Debian os?
[23:32] <xlq> So what sort is the power connector on the pi?
[23:32] <Habbie> xlq, micro usb B
[23:33] <xlq> Thanks. All I could find was "micro-USB" which is too vague.
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[23:33] <Gadgetoid> xlq: micro-USB isn't vague, it's an emerging industry standard for device charging?
[23:33] * SpeedEvil should not have said that word.
[23:33] <plugwash> xlq, not really it would be silly to use a host side connector for a power port
[23:33] <Habbie> xlq, why is it too vague? power never comes out of the A end
[23:33] <Gadgetoid> Haha, trololo :D
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir> "Twitter is not the way to spread news about a zombie appocalypse"
[23:33] <Habbie> xlq, at least, it shouldn't ;)
[23:34] <plugwash> so it must be a device side connector and it's micro USB so it must be a micro B
[23:34] <GabrialDestruir> I'm sorry... if a zombie appoc is happening I think twitters the first place you'll see it xD
[23:35] <xlq> [22:32] <Habbie> xlq, why is it too vague? power never comes out of the A end
[23:35] <xlq> Is that supposed to be "never comes out of the B end"?
[23:35] <Habbie> no
[23:35] <Habbie> power always comes out of the B end
[23:35] <Habbie> of the cable, that is
[23:35] <xlq> So why is the pi's power supply a B connector?
[23:36] <Habbie> power comes out of A ports, goes into A end of cable, comes out of B end of cable, goes into B port
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> xlq: It is the uk standard phone connecor now
[23:36] <Habbie> pi has a B port
[23:36] <Habbie> SpeedEvil, EU too
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> Habbie: china too
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> But it was designed in the uk
[23:36] <xlq> Habbie: Right.
[23:37] <Habbie> SpeedEvil, oh :)
[23:37] <Habbie> xlq, does that clarify it?
[23:37] <xlq> Yeah.
[23:37] <Habbie> great :)
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[23:38] * Adya is here
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[23:38] * Adya owns raspberry pi
[23:39] * Adya is very happy
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> what have you done with it so-far, Adya ?
[23:39] * Adya says every body good night
[23:39] <Adya> Write a simple programme today
[23:40] <Adya> Two programmes
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[23:40] <Adya> First prints hello world
[23:40] <Adya> And the second is a simple calculator
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[23:40] <gordonDrogon> classic stuff!
[23:41] <Adya> Yeah;)
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[23:41] <Diogo> hi..
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[23:41] <Diogo> i have OpenELEC devel-20120520171357-r11043
[23:41] * Adya contiunes programming tomorrow
[23:42] <Diogo> installed on my raspberry pi...i have no sound with some movies
[23:42] * Adya wants to sleep
[23:42] <Diogo> this is normal?
[23:42] <Diogo> using xbmc
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[23:42] <Adya> Good night to everybody and thanks for help
[23:42] <Adya> ;)
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[23:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> "no sound with some movies" implies lack of codec for sound in particular movies... if you ripped your own instead of torrenting them, it would be less of a problem :D
[23:43] <shaulkr> Did anyone get pulseaudio running on a Pi?
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[23:47] <wizkid057> just wanted to share, my raspberry pi mined one share for bitcoin pool mining so far at 0.2 MH/sec... lol
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> what the speed of a typical desktop without a GPU?
[23:47] <hamitron> grats
[23:48] <hamitron> 2-4
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[23:48] <wizkid057> gordonDrogon: my GPUs do ~400MH each
[23:48] <wizkid057> i7-2600k does about 4MH/core
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[23:50] <hamitron> is an i7 typical? :-o
[23:50] * wizkid057 shrugs
[23:50] <wizkid057> lol
[23:51] <xlq> MH=?
[23:51] <xlq> Megahenries?
[23:51] <wizkid057> megahash
[23:51] <xlq> Ah.
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> I've never gotten into this bitcoing thing.
[23:51] <wizkid057> 1 hash = SHA256(SHA256(x))
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> so how many hashes per BC?
[23:52] <hamitron> depends on difficulty
[23:52] <wizkid057> gordonDrogon: right now... hmm
[23:52] * wizkid057 gets calculator
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> I fail to see how this actually makes money... if you can simple "mine" it, then spend it, who is gaining what?
[23:53] <wizkid057> 6833614926617313 hashes per block of 50BTC on average
[23:53] <nemo> wizkid057: is the code you are using optimised for the pi CPU? and, does it use the pi GPU??
[23:53] <wizkid057> nemo: nope, no optimizations... uses a C-based SHA256 algo
[23:53] <nemo> gordonDrogon: there are some nice explanations of it all over the place.
[23:53] <hamitron> the mining is just a way to distribute the initial coins, the coins are worth what people are willing to pay for them
[23:53] <wizkid057> nemo: the pi GPU support opencl? :P
[23:54] <shaulkr> Woohoo, network streaming via pulse working
[23:54] <nemo> wizkid057: well. you can leverage a shader
[23:54] <nemo> wizkid057: I don't know how much it would gain you
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[23:54] <nemo> I've seen bitcoin webgl demos, but they didn't seem to work too well
[23:54] <mkopack> Ok, I'm about ready to give the hell up with ROS on the Pi
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> wizkid057, they initially wanted to have opencl support, but at this stage it's "probably not"
[23:55] <xlq> gordonDrogon: It's a proof of work system that ensures money is only spent once. The wikipedia article on it is actually quite helpful.
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> wizkid057, "OpenCL ? probably not ? that is a hell of a lot of work, and for very little reward. GPGPU might be possible as that just uses the shaders (I think)" - JamesH
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[23:56] <xlq> Mining bitcoins is not to make money, it's to avoid double spending.
[23:56] <nemo> xlq: which is a pretty amazing feat for an electronic currency
[23:56] <nemo> xlq: as well as the partial anonymity
[23:56] <hamitron> so is there opengl es for the r-pi, in an easy to use way?
[23:56] <mkopack> I even tried using the straight Debian OS like the guy who posted the directions used and it fails at EXACTLY the same spot as it did when I tried with Raspian??? I'm ready to pinch something
[23:56] <mkopack> punch
[23:56] <nemo> xlq: all other existing systems are centralised. single register
[23:56] <xlq> But miners get paid a small amount for the computation as an incentive to actually perform it.
[23:56] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, yes, but it depends on your measure of difficulty.
[23:56] <wizkid057> nemo: if I realllly wanted to mine with the Pi, it'd be for s**ts and giggles
[23:56] <nemo> wizkid057: well. it might be worth doing if the cost per watt was good
[23:57] <nemo> wizkid057: given the Pi uses very little power for things like fans and HDs
[23:57] <wizkid057> pi power supply is pulling ~4W from the wall right now with the CPU maxed
[23:57] <hamitron> the r-pi is too expensive per MH/s
[23:57] <nemo> and the ARM is probably more efficient than an x86
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> nemo: Cost per watt is one part of it.
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[23:57] <gordonDrogon> reading up on BTCs now. Intersting concept.
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> nemo: Cost per watt doesn't help if investment per coin is too high
[23:57] <mythos> woohoo... i got mine today! =D
[23:57] <nemo> SpeedEvil: well. if you have the Pis there already :)
[23:57] <nemo> mythos: me too :)
[23:58] <nemo> mythos: would have gotten here sooner if it wasn't for the long weekend
[23:58] <hamitron> isn't really worth investing in mining imo
[23:58] <hamitron> not until some new tech arrives anyway
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> anyone just create a big amazon instance to create them>
[23:58] <wizkid057> well, i happened to build an awesome gaming machine with 2xRadeon 6990s (4 GPUs)
[23:58] <dmsuse> wizkid057: that doesnt sound right
[23:58] <mythos> nemo, congratz too ;)
[23:58] <wizkid057> then a friend told me about bitcoin mining
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> I tried running a bitcoin client on my phone 6 months ago - it wouldn't catch up with realtime, as it couldn't compute the block chain in faster than realtime
[23:58] <wizkid057> 2x6990 = ~1.6 GH/sec
[23:59] <nemo> SpeedEvil: heh. which phone?
[23:59] <wizkid057> dmsuse: what doesnt sound right, the wattage?
[23:59] <dmsuse> yup
[23:59] <nemo> gordonDrogon: I imagine the cost of the amazon cloud is too high to pay for it :)
[23:59] <SpeedEvil> nemo: n900
[23:59] <wizkid057> dmsuse: thats what the Kill-a-watt says...
[23:59] <nemo> SpeedEvil: huh. that's moderately surprising
[23:59] <wizkid057> SpeedEvil: my EVO 3D was able to do it fine, once it caught up after a couple days
[23:59] * neofutur added some useful links on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd
[23:59] * hamitron wants a n900 :/
[23:59] <dmsuse> wizkid057: you have a mouse/keyboard plugged in and other stuff?
[23:59] <neofutur> feel free to post or query me ideas, useful links . . .

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