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IRC Log for 2012-05-31

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[0:00] <SpeedEvil> nemo: the annoying part is that if I had ran it when the client came out - I could probably have run it and made some money :)
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[0:00] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: I've looked for the part to upgrade the RAM to 512M on the n900, and not found it :(
[0:00] <wizkid057> dmsuse: just ethernet... using SSH
[0:00] <hamitron> I just want a standard one tbh
[0:00] <hamitron> :)
[0:01] <dmsuse> wizkid057: wow then your power adaptor is hugely inefficient :P
[0:01] <wizkid057> dmsuse: probably, its a cell phone charger... lol
[0:01] <wizkid057> although, i'd bet the kill-a-watt isnt accurate at that low of a pull, either
[0:01] <SpeedEvil> Kill-a-watt is not...
[0:02] <mythos> so... i need pulseaudio on the pi. is it fast enough?
[0:02] <nemo> so, supposedly mild overclocking is pretty safe
[0:02] <nemo> so long as I don't overvolt
[0:02] <nemo> according to randompersononthischannel
[0:02] <nemo> maybe gordonDrogon come to think of it
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> :)
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> I've been running 2 Pis at 900MHz for ...
[0:03] <wizkid057> wonder what kind of bounty it'd take for opencl support...
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> well, one for 4 week,s the other for a few days.
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> also the sdram is 500MHz.
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> however I've left the gpu at 250MHz.
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[0:04] <hamitron> why not just get a faster device?
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> faster devices are no Pi's.
[0:04] <mythos> because... here have a pi
[0:04] <nemo> gordonDrogon: a slightly faster pi is still useful i'd think
[0:04] <nemo> like, what if you were using it for video processing
[0:04] <wizkid057> now that I have the thing, i'm not 100% sure what i'm going to use it for...
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> I've not tried overvolting. Not really that fussed TBH.
[0:04] <nemo> a small embedded passive monitoring system where it needed to analyse whether there was movement that needed recording
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> oddly I've just spent the past hour optimising some line drawing code too. having a slower processor does focus you somewhat...
[0:05] <hamitron> that is the spirit ;)
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> managed to almost double the framerate of a benchmark I'm using.
[0:05] <nemo> security system or just watching the squirrels raid the garden before arming the hot pepper and water cannon
[0:05] <nemo> gordonDrogon: I think the first thing I'm gonna do w/ mine is port Hedgewars :)
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[0:06] <nemo> gordonDrogon: so I'm hoping to find out more about other GLES11/GLES2 games out there and what was involved in porting
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[0:06] <gordonDrogon> nemo, looks fun!
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> nemo, all my stuff is SDL... I've really no idea about anything else under Linux...
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[0:07] <hamitron> is SDL 1.3 out yet?
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[0:08] <neofutur> ah people speak of btc here ;)
[0:08] <nemo> gordonDrogon: well. we are SDL too
[0:08] <nemo> gordonDrogon: but we abandoned SDL for drawing
[0:08] <nemo> gordonDrogon: old SDL was completely inadequate, performance-wise
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> nemo, Hm. it is very low-level :)
[0:08] <neofutur> I can offer between 0.2 and 1 btc for good , interesting articles about the raspberry pi
[0:08] <nemo> nowdays, maybe a different story, but not changing it back
[0:08] <neofutur> query me for more information
[0:09] <nemo> gordonDrogon: eh. you only do the low level stuff a few times :)
[0:09] <nemo> then you just call a function
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[0:09] <gordonDrogon> nemo, I've been learning more about it as of late - e.g. that the Pi really has a 16bpp framebuffer, so if you tell SDL to use 16bpp, then everything goes 4x faster..
[0:09] <mythos> does debian-weezy (armel) run on the pi?
[0:10] <mkopack> mythos: Look at Raspbian. that's basically Weezy built specifically for the Pi. raspbian.org
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> it might do, but you might as well run raspbian - which is debian wheezy armhf..
[0:10] <mythos> mkopack, thank you =)
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> nemo my application is a basic interperter, complete with a sprite engine...
[0:10] <nemo> gordonDrogon: ah. you and your BASIC :)
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> nemo, :)
[0:11] <nemo> gordonDrogon: now, if it was QBI compatible...
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> nemo, no idea what QBI is..
[0:11] <nemo> then nostalgia might attract me to try my hand
[0:11] <nemo> gordonDrogon: QuickBasic Interpreter - used to be bundled with MSDOS
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> Ah.
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[0:12] <gordonDrogon> nemo, an example program: http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/sprites.rtb
[0:13] <nemo> gordonDrogon: yay sprite animation
[0:13] <nemo> gordonDrogon: heart of our game is just moving 2d sprites around too :)
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[0:14] <gordonDrogon> nemo, that's getting 27fps with 100 sprites that are 100x100 on a 1280x1024 display (on a 900MHz Pi)
[0:15] <nemo> not bad
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[0:16] <gordonDrogon> C would be an order of magnitude faster, of-course...
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> actually, maybe not - most of the time there is pushing the sprites around inside SDL.
[0:17] <nemo> gordonDrogon: one of our GSoC projects is migrating from GLES11 to GLES2 as well as adding a texture atlas
[0:17] <nemo> gordonDrogon: that should improve our performance a *lot*
[0:17] <nemo> gordonDrogon: my main concern on the Pi though is memory
[0:17] <nemo> pi has no video memory right?
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[0:18] <SpeedEvil> Pi has video memory - it's shared with the main memory
[0:18] <nemo> SpeedEvil: riiiight.
[0:19] <nemo> perhaps I should have said no separate video memory :-p
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> and the GPU can push memory faster than the ARM can from what I've read.
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> so AIUI the whole 256MB is video memory and the GPU gives the ARM a little...
[0:19] <nemo> gordonDrogon: the problem for us is more the fact that we have to keep track of some stuff both in the program and in video memory
[0:19] <nemo> gordonDrogon:
[0:19] <nemo> SDL probably does the same with your sprites
[0:20] <nemo> gordonDrogon: keeps track of it as a surface, but also renders to a texture
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> I've had issues there - I keep track of them all - the GPU is not being used at all in SDL.
[0:20] <nemo> gordonDrogon: oh? and it manages those rates? wow
[0:20] <zgreg> what's the big deal, shared memory is normal in 99% of all embedded systems
[0:20] <nemo> zgreg: it isn't a big deal
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> I've also found that if you tell SDL to use double buffering that it writes directly into the displayed video RAM!
[0:21] <coolpot> ah finally, well if this may help someone , -ive had an issue, where RPI was unable to see any USB memory, it just would not see it or mount etc, turns out it only happens if running the latest build from http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/ if you run previous builds, memory shows up fine every time.
[0:21] <zgreg> and frankly, it only has *advantages*, really
[0:21] <nemo> zgreg: just in context of attempting the game port
[0:21] <gordonDrogon> nemo, a sprite update involves 3 BLITs.
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[0:21] <nemo> zgreg: sure, but 256MiB is pushing it. On the other hand, we got things running in a limited fashion on the 1st gen iphone
[0:22] <zgreg> nemo: yeah, sure, it's too little, but that's a different issue
[0:22] <zgreg> btw, is raspbian complete and stable enough now?
[0:22] <nemo> zgreg: ... the line of thought was. it might have only 256MiB, but if it also had additional vRAM, then I might not have any problems
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> I'm hoping they'll implement some sort of accelerated 2D framebuffer - that'll help X and maybe SDL - getting the GPU to do the BLIT would be a good start.
[0:22] <nemo> zgreg: yes. I know that shared is typical.
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, I'm been using raspbian for some weeks now. nothing too fancy, compiling, simple X apps.
[0:23] <nemo> gordonDrogon: well. that's where I'm wondering if I'll have any trouble
[0:23] <nemo> gordonDrogon: if the game is compiled as an X app, and running under X, but uses SDL to request a GL context...
[0:23] <nemo> gordonDrogon: will the game be accelerated.
[0:23] <zgreg> nemo: no
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> nemo, everyone keeps telling me to use opengl-es - as that is accelerated by the GPU.
[0:24] <nemo> zgreg: was afraid of that :-/
[0:24] <zgreg> standard opengl is not accelerated and never will be
[0:24] <nemo> zgreg: um...
[0:24] <nemo> zgreg: what do you mean by "standard opengl"
[0:24] <zgreg> the one without "ES"
[0:24] <nemo> 'cause I did mention GLES11/GLES2 once or thrice...
[0:24] <nemo> hehe
[0:24] <zgreg> but there's no EGL integration in X either
[0:25] <zgreg> hm, right...
[0:26] <zgreg> well, you can probably render GLES under X, but not in an X window
[0:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Woo, just passed an online mock hazard perception test with almost solid 5s
[0:26] <zgreg> there is no interaction between the two, so depending on how the output gets to the screen or framebuffer, there might be some conflicts
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[1:10] <coolpot> hi all
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[1:11] <coolpot> quick question :) i cant harm the pi by putting a little heatsink+ paste on the main chip can i?
[1:11] <coolpot> noticed it gets hot playing movies
[1:11] <SpeedEvil> yes, you can.
[1:11] <coolpot> really?
[1:12] <ReggieUK> but it's not considered necessary
[1:12] <gordonDrogon> nah.
[1:12] <SpeedEvil> It is not really designed for the stresses of mounting a heatsink on it.
[1:12] <ReggieUK> if it makes you feel better, put a heatsink on :)
[1:12] <coolpot> lol
[1:12] <coolpot> i duno, it just feels hot hehe
[1:12] <gordonDrogon> the concenus is that it's really not needed.
[1:12] <SpeedEvil> You could choose to mount a heatsink on the bottom of the board, using a thermal pad.
[1:12] <gordonDrogon> How long can you keep your thumb on it?
[1:12] <SpeedEvil> Or a tiny little fan.
[1:12] <ReggieUK> I probably wouldn't go so far as a fan myself
[1:12] <coolpot> i can keep it on, it just feels hot
[1:13] <gordonDrogon> ok - it's under about 45C then.
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> 'feels hot' is probably 45C or so.
[1:13] <gordonDrogon> nothing to wory about.
[1:13] <ReggieUK> if you can keep your thumb on it then it's not hot
[1:13] <ReggieUK> not in cpu terms anyway
[1:13] <coolpot> cool ok :) ty
[1:13] <gordonDrogon> mine gets to about 41C.
[1:13] <gordonDrogon> measured with an IR thermomter - and I'm overclocking it too.
[1:14] <coolpot> sweet
[1:14] <coolpot> how easy is it to overclock? and,, is it noticably better?
[1:14] <IT_Sean> by all reports: fairly easy, and it depends.
[1:14] <coolpot> i guess for instance does it clock enough to make it so that the overlays on movies dont lag so much
[1:14] <coolpot> or does it not make much diff
[1:15] <coolpot> :P
[1:15] <SStrife> overclocking pi is a single line in a text file
[1:15] <ReggieUK> looks like the network chip is actually warmer on mine
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[1:15] <SStrife> none of this bus speed/ratio nonsense
[1:15] <SStrife> :)
[1:15] <coolpot> sweet
[1:15] <coolpot> what speed do they clock to safely?
[1:16] <SStrife> the current raspbian image comes out-of-the-box with a 100MHz OC, which seems stable on most Pi's
[1:16] <SStrife> without any overvolt
[1:17] <SStrife> you can overvolt in the text file too, but it sets a permanent bit in the SoC, indicating that the warranty is void
[1:17] <coolpot> sweet thats quite a bit given the default it runs at
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[1:18] <SStrife> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Overclocking_configuration
[1:19] <piless> Why would you overclock a default image?
[1:20] <IT_Sean> yeah... leave it up to the owner of the Pi to overlock or not, SStrife
[1:20] <SStrife> hey, i didnt make the image
[1:20] <bbeattie> non ee here with a ee question. I will be creating a circuit that has two led's on it that can be on at the same time, off at the same time, and alternately flash. Is it safe to have a GPIO pin that connects to a transistor (high side ground functionality) and both LED's to handle the on/off functionality and a second GPIO pin that is also a high side transistor? Worst case would be a failure in the script I'm writing that could allow both gpio's
[1:20] <bbeattie> to be on at once thus providing a solid 5v circuit as well as a 5v pwm circuit at the same time. My little ee knowledge says this should be fine, with or without diodes...
[1:20] <ReggieUK> I thought that was slightly naughty oc'ing the default image
[1:20] <piless> what's an ee?
[1:20] <IT_Sean> ee = electrical engineer
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[1:21] <PhonicUK> hey all
[1:21] <ReggieUK> why the transistors?
[1:21] <bbeattie> gpio's can't power led's..
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[1:21] <piless> someone should create a simulator for raspberrypi gpio layouts
[1:22] <bbeattie> I'm adding r-pi's to model trains dcc ports, and it's an unknown what current each different model of train uses and with some using high intensity I worry they'd be too much for the r-pi.
[1:22] <SStrife> ask hexxeh about the image :)
[1:23] <ReggieUK> actually, they can power a led
[1:23] <ReggieUK> 3.3v and upto 16ma
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[1:23] <bbeattie> some led's are 100ma and there could be 2-3 of them on a serial circuit
[1:23] <SStrife> rpi's GPIO pins are literally connected directly to pins on the CPU
[1:23] <ReggieUK> now you're moving the goal posts :)
[1:23] <SStrife> good practice would be to opto-isolate your circuit
[1:25] <coolpot> how on earth do you guys know all this :E!
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[1:25] <ReggieUK> coolpot, google and irc
[1:25] <coolpot> lol
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[1:25] <bbeattie> soo.. back to my ee question, what happens if you have a solid 5v input to led's and a 5v pwm signal at the same time?
[1:26] <ReggieUK> I know the gpio are connected directly to the cpu but if you take reasonable precautions then it'll be fine
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[1:26] <ReggieUK> current limiting resistors etc.
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[1:26] <ReggieUK> datasheet for the led
[1:27] <neofutur> new look and more berries on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd, feedback welcome
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[1:29] <SStrife> what's wrong with the rpi.org forums?
[1:30] <neofutur> moderated, impossible to edit your post
[1:30] <SpeedEvil> They aren't usenet.
[1:30] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, I think it's a little disingenuous to promote it here, but that's just me.
[1:30] <neofutur> no sticky topics, no useer reputation, topicrating
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[1:31] <IT_Sean> i'm with ShiftPlusOne on that, neofutur
[1:31] <neofutur> each time you want to add a detail to your post you have to post a new one
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[1:31] <ReggieUK> I like all my raspberry stuff in the same bowl, so I'll stick with the foundations website
[1:31] <neofutur> IT_Sean: ok, so its bad to want to build a better forum ?
[1:31] <ReggieUK> rather not fragment the community
[1:31] <IT_Sean> No, it isn't. But promoting it in here is a bit tacky.
[1:32] <neofutur> IT_Sean: can i explain why I felt the need to to one ?
[1:32] <IT_Sean> Even tackier than your web design.
[1:32] <neofutur> bah the design could improve, I just started it 4 hours ago ;)
[1:32] <neofutur> and any user can chosse another theme
[1:32] <ShiftPlusOne> 4 hours ago in the 90s?
[1:32] <neofutur> choose
[1:32] <SStrife> i see merit in some of your gripes
[1:33] <SStrife> but "moderated" ?
[1:33] <SStrife> that's a good thing
[1:33] <andatche> anyone had any luck building a 3.3.7 (or 3.3.x) kernel with working reboots?
[1:33] <neofutur> antispam and moderators is good
[1:33] <SStrife> nobody needs a thousand "eben's a scammer"/"rs or ele14 sucks"/etc
[1:33] <SStrife> threads
[1:33] <neofutur> but the official forum is pre-moderated
[1:33] <SStrife> no it's not
[1:33] <neofutur> you wont see your post appearing until someone validate it the next day
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[1:34] <neofutur> i think post moderation is much better
[1:34] <SStrife> that applies to your first couple of posts
[1:34] <neofutur> also they dont ask for a verification email
[1:34] <SStrife> i can make a post now, and it will appear instantly
[1:34] <IT_Sean> Yeah, established users post's appear right away.
[1:34] <neofutur> so anyone can register as yourself, subrscribe to topics and you get spammed
[1:34] <coolpot> ok thanks for your help all.
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[1:35] <arfonzo> neofutur: has this happened to you?
[1:35] <neofutur> also i m not really "promoting it" here , but asking for feedback and serching for partners
[1:35] <ReggieUK> who doesn't ask you for a verification email?
[1:36] <neofutur> arfonzo: i m just answering the question "what's wrong with the rpi.org forums?"
[1:36] <neofutur> also very bad SEO so finding information on google is not easy
[1:36] <IT_Sean> neofutur, have you ever run a successful forum before?
[1:37] <neofutur> which is normal when you cant even edit your post to make it better, add a link . . .
[1:37] <ReggieUK> what is SEO?
[1:37] <neofutur> IT_Sean: more than one ;) and the forum software is also mine
[1:37] <neofutur> https://github.com/neofutur/MyBestBB
[1:37] <SpeedEvil> Search engine optimisation
[1:37] <neofutur> a punbb fork
[1:37] <arfonzo> neofutur: er, how will your forum have a better SEO? Although I'm all for improvements, I fail to see how splitting an already small community will be better
[1:37] <IT_Sean> um.. it's punbb
[1:37] <IT_Sean> not something you wrote yourself.
[1:38] <arfonzo> lol
[1:38] <IT_Sean> so no, it isn't "your" software.
[1:38] <neofutur> its much more than punbb its a 8 years old fork of punbb
[1:38] <neofutur> with 20 added features
[1:38] <IT_Sean> so... you tinkered with punbb and installed some mods. that doesn't make it yours, guv.
[1:39] <IT_Sean> even if you wrote some mods... still not "yours"
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[1:39] <neofutur> recently imported in github from http://trac.ww7.be/trac.ww7.be/browser/trunk/MyBestBB
[1:39] <neofutur> IT_Sean: ok its not mine,sorry
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[1:39] <neofutur> Me surprised people ned to attack me because I want to make a better forum
[1:40] <IT_Sean> Noone is attacking you.
[1:40] <neofutur> (02:27) <+ SStrife> i see merit in some of your gripes
[1:40] <neofutur> very civil
[1:40] <arfonzo> neofutur: I see the github project, cool... but what about an actual forum that uses it that you run? I think that was the question
[1:40] <neofutur> (02:26) <@ IT_Sean> Even tackier than your web design.
[1:40] <neofutur> very cool
[1:40] <IT_Sean> you aksed for comments!
[1:40] <arfonzo> neofutur: I hope you don't consider my discussion an attack... hm. It's not meant as such.
[1:40] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, honest feedback: yes, the official forum has some problems, however it has a large user base and it's one of the best ways to get in touch with the developers and designers who have worked on the board and firmware. That's infinitly more valuable than any improvments I can see on your forum so far.
[1:40] <IT_Sean> If oyu can't taker constructive criticism, don't ask for it :p
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[1:41] <IT_Sean> I'm not attacking you. I apologise if you feel that way. You asked for comments... my comments are thus: it looks like arse, and is in no way an improvement on the official forum.
[1:41] <GabrialDestruir> If forking in and changing the software doesn't make it "yours"
[1:41] <GabrialDestruir> what does?
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> So yeah, there MAY be room for a good unofficial forum, but that's not it (yet?).
[1:41] <ReggieUK> My honest feedback is that we do not need to split the community with a 2nd forum cos of a couple of things that 1 person isn't keen on (which turn out to be non-issues when looked at closely)
[1:41] <SStrife> um
[1:41] <neofutur> ShiftPlusOne: you cant see improvements after 4 hours work for sure
[1:41] <ReggieUK> especially at this stage of the pi release
[1:41] <neofutur> content is not yet here
[1:41] <SStrife> the only problem i see with that is the word "gripes"
[1:42] <neofutur> one example, http://www.dealextreme.com/p/pl8006-portable-8-color-lcd-monitor-tv-w-ypbpr-vga-input-47-870mhz-55245
[1:42] <SStrife> maybe there's some cultural difference there, but I don't see how I was being anything less than civil
[1:42] <neofutur> i coudnt edit my post so all the information is splitted in 10 posts
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[1:42] <neofutur> the information will be gathered and organised on one clean , useful post
[1:43] <ReggieUK> for that kind of money you might want to look at the Atrix dock
[1:43] <neofutur> on my forum, because i can edit it and make it better
[1:43] <ReggieUK> hdmi and usb connections
[1:43] <Axman6> hmm, can't seem to get either of my mice to work with my pi. the 'laser' is flickering in a wear I've never seem them before
[1:43] <IT_Sean> are you taking about editing other people's posts?
[1:43] <neofutur> I lost hours searching for an interesting small display
[1:43] <neofutur> the official forum havent helped me
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[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> Atrix dock for what?
[1:44] <neofutur> te time I will invest on finfing interesting hardeware, on tryting to work on a gentoo ditro . . .
[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> The Pi?
[1:44] <neofutur> i want to share my results, my findings
[1:44] <ReggieUK> Axman6, what power supply are you using?
[1:44] <neofutur> and the official forum really dont deserve this
[1:44] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, the wiki is perfect for that
[1:44] <ReggieUK> GabrialDestruir, yeah
[1:44] <neofutur> dont even alloe me to organize my information
[1:45] <ReggieUK> neofutur, you are aware of the elinux.org wiki for the pi aren't you?
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> idk if you mean as just a starting basis or what, but the atrix uses minhdmi
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> or micro hdmi or some crap
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[1:45] <neofutur> ShiftPlusOne: and why a search on google fins nearly no wiki links ?
[1:45] <ReggieUK> and you are aware that you can actually edit the pages (just have to sign up)
[1:45] <ReggieUK> GabrialDestruir, sure but it's only an adapter away from being useful
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[1:45] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, because you haven't put that information on there.
[1:45] <ReggieUK> someone plugged one into a ps3
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> Theoretically, sure.
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[1:45] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, ???
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6747
[1:46] <ReggieUK> so not so much theoretical, more like highly probably :)
[1:46] <GabrialDestruir> Whoa.
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> it has been done, and it's easy
[1:46] <GabrialDestruir> Cool xD
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> and it works
[1:46] <ReggieUK> :D
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[1:46] <ReggieUK> told ya
[1:47] <ReggieUK> I really would like an atrix dock for my pi
[1:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Ordered one off ebay a few days ago
[1:47] <ShiftPlusOne> =D
[1:47] <GabrialDestruir> Are those stop laptop docks still running 300?
[1:47] <ReggieUK> I wonder how cheap china is making 11" touchscreen overlays
[1:47] <ShiftPlusOne> going to take a while to get here though
[1:48] <ReggieUK> or to put it another way, I wonder if they make them, and if they don't will a 12" fit inside that bezel?
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[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BARELY-USED-Laptop-Dock-for-Motorola-Atrix-4G-IN-ORIGINAL-BOX-/251072566622?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3a7517555e#ht_500wt_1156
[1:48] <PhonicUK> I <3 My Pi :D
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> less than 15 seconds
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> 47 bucks
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> + shipping
[1:48] <SStrife> i just bought a different kind of display
[1:49] <GabrialDestruir> that jumped quick xD
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, btw, which keyboard and mouse do you have?
[1:49] <SStrife> a 10" Gas Plasma display
[1:49] <SStrife> for an old portable
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, I want to buy something that will work for sure
[1:49] <ReggieUK> intellimouse optical and a ideazone Zboard
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[1:49] <SStrife> i wish I could get Pi connected to that display, it'd be retro-riffic
[1:49] <ReggieUK> both are 5 years + old
[1:49] <neofutur> hum interesting this Atrix Lapdock
[1:50] <GabrialDestruir> Well now I have a second reason to get a laptop dock xD
[1:51] <ReggieUK> it's going to be a big seller amongst the pi community I think
[1:52] <ReggieUK> foundation need to hurry up and get their dsi interfaking sorted :)
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> What is its 'regular' price?
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> Non Ebay?
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> They were going from ATT for like 300
[1:52] <ReggieUK> no idea but they're around $70 all over ebay
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> DSI 'will only be available with our chosen display, as otherwise the codecs...'
[1:52] * SpeedEvil imagines.
[1:52] <ReggieUK> GabrialDestruir, but that was with teh phone too wasn't it?
[1:52] <Ben64> they were on sale recently for ~$40
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> On ebay they're looking to be 70 and under
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> Nah.
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> The dock by itself was selling for 300
[1:53] <PhonicUK> im supprised at how fast stuff compiles on the Pi
[1:53] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, indeed, what I'm saying is, if these atrix docks prove popular then there won't be much of a market for the foundations screen
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[1:54] <PhonicUK> i take it the one they're making plugs into the internal connector?
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[1:55] <GabrialDestruir> The foundation is making a screen?
[1:55] <neofutur> also the attack on 2its not your software" is abusive, I immediately said
[1:55] <neofutur> (02:31) <+ neofutur> a punbb fork
[1:55] <neofutur> even before you attack
[1:55] <SStrife> conversation's kinda moved on, bloke :)
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[1:56] <ReggieUK> neofutur, stop raking things back up, you claimed it was YOUR software as a badge of honor
[1:56] <neofutur> a fork is a fork
[1:56] <ReggieUK> we merely pointed out that it wasn't
[1:56] <ReggieUK> because you just forked someone elses code
[1:56] <ReggieUK> it's your fork but it's not really your software as such
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> depends how much work's been done on it.
[1:56] <neofutur> ReggieUK: and 1 line after i say its a fork of punbb
[1:56] <ReggieUK> just a couple of code changes probably in all essence
[1:56] <neofutur> tomake it clear
[1:57] <neofutur> most of the free software is a fork, its silly to code it all from scratch when there is a good existing base to develop
[1:57] <neofutur> http://trac.ww7.be/trac.ww7.be/browser/trunk/MyBestBB
[1:58] <neofutur> 1 st modifications are more than 6 years ago
[1:58] <SStrife> just found a Motorola Atrix for $60 new
[1:58] <neofutur> and 20 features added is not exactly "a couple of code changes"
[1:58] <Milos> woohoo rpi just arrived
[1:58] <SStrife> no wait
[1:58] <SStrife> that's not an atrix at all
[1:58] <SStrife> stupid scraper.
[1:58] <ReggieUK> indeed, I've just looked, so I stand corrected, it does have a lot of your code in it
[1:58] <GabrialDestruir> I found an atrix and a laptop dock for like 128
[1:58] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[1:58] <arfonzo> Milos: excellent :)
[1:58] <Milos> :DDDDDDD
[1:58] <neofutur> thanks for looking after attacking ;)
[1:58] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-Atrix-4G-16GB-Black-AT-T-Smartphone-With-Laptop-Dock-Extra-Batt-/221034686209?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3376b1a701#ht_500wt_1321
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> and an extra battery too
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[1:59] <neofutur> `backporting all the security updates since 6 years
[1:59] <neofutur> also
[1:59] <SStrife> that's a phone too! bonus!
[1:59] <SStrife> "4G" connectivity
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[1:59] <neofutur> i worked on it because i hate shitty forums like phpbb
[1:59] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, language
[1:59] <ReggieUK> dude, please mind your language :)
[2:00] <SStrife> ???even though your thing looks exactly like phpBB
[2:00] <neofutur> my fork have most of the features of phpbb and is 5 times faster
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[2:00] <neofutur> oups sorry
[2:00] <GabrialDestruir> phpBB is crappy? .-.
[2:00] <neofutur> ShiftPlusOne: crappy is acceptable ?
[2:00] <GabrialDestruir> Yeesh I better stop using it then xD
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[2:00] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it is
[2:01] <IT_Sean> neofutur, mind the swearing please.
[2:01] <neofutur> GabrialDestruir: have a look at the code, host it yourself on your server, and yes you ll find it crappy ;)
[2:01] <GabrialDestruir> I do host it on a server.
[2:01] <SStrife> phpBB is fine, people just think that if a package lacks some particular feature they want, the whole thing is crappy, it's just how things are
[2:01] <GabrialDestruir> Never had a problem with it.
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[2:02] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, if you don't mind me asking, do you host/admin/moderate any other forums?
[2:03] <GabrialDestruir> Wow... I haven't touched my forums in over 2 years....
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[2:04] <neofutur> ShiftPlusOne: yes
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[2:04] <ajebbatson> Things I look for in a bulletin board: Contains interesting, relevant content. Things I don't look for: Is empty.
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[2:05] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, ok
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[2:05] <neofutur> and for more than 6 years now
[2:06] <GabrialDestruir> Someone needs to build a Pi case that works specifically for the Atrix dock, so you don't still have to have a gazillion wires everywhere.
[2:06] <neofutur> my first job is tomanage dedicated servers for customers
[2:06] <neofutur> i stated mybestbb when I decided to refuse to host phpbn forums
[2:06] <neofutur> phpbb
[2:07] <neofutur> ShiftPlusOne: more on me and my services : http://gw.gd/bcservices
[2:07] <ajebbatson> Damn, adverts are on.
[2:07] <SStrife> and you refused to host phpbb because..?
[2:08] <SStrife> not the flavour of the week? not made by you? personal difference with authors?
[2:08] <neofutur> because i can serv 10x more visitors with 5x less server load and slow queries
[2:09] <neofutur> + a non obfuscated and secure code
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[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> Personal differences "The PhpBB Devs called me a wh*re so I stopped using their code!"
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> Wait.... obfsucated code?
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> Since when? .-.
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[2:09] <SStrife> GabrialDestruir: it sounds funny, but i know lost of people that won't use products because the author once said something about someone they didn't agree with.
[2:09] <SStrife> lots*
[2:10] <GabrialDestruir> butchered that word...
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[2:12] <SStrife> hahaha
[2:12] <GabrialDestruir> obfuscated*
[2:12] <SStrife> obfsucated
[2:12] <SStrife> sounds like you cut it into pieces or something :P
[2:12] <Axman6> hooray, finally got my pi working. life's a lot easier when you can ssh into it...
[2:12] <SStrife> but in secret
[2:13] <GabrialDestruir> I did.... >.> I cut the letters apart from each other.... and then I did the worse thing ever....
[2:13] <SStrife> haha
[2:13] <GabrialDestruir> PUT THEM IN THE WRONG ORDER!
[2:13] <neofutur> anyway, for sure this atrix lapdock is interesting
[2:13] <GabrialDestruir> worst? worse? I give up -.-
[2:13] <neofutur> its pretty sure it can work with a r-pi ?
[2:13] <SStrife> wurst
[2:13] <SStrife> mmmmm
[2:13] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6747
[2:13] <SStrife> neofutur: it does work, it's pictured at the link posted earlier
[2:14] <SStrife> and also just there
[2:14] <GabrialDestruir> Though that doesn't count as proof necessarily.
[2:14] <piless> doesn't look very portable
[2:14] <GabrialDestruir> Could be an epic troll! No video!
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[2:14] <GabrialDestruir> The only lack of portability is the ethernet cord.
[2:14] <neofutur> ( ah anotehr thing for the official forum, its very very hard to use at 800x600 resolution
[2:15] <GabrialDestruir> People still use 800x600?
[2:15] <SStrife> my phone is even bigger than that
[2:15] <piless> I use 480x320
[2:15] <GabrialDestruir> Pretty sure that resolution has been outdated for like a decade....
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[2:15] * ShiftPlusOne sets mode +b *!*1@*.197.237.52.threembb.co.uk
[2:15] * piless was kicked from #raspberrypi by ShiftPlusOne
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> The cords for the power/ video need to be shortened, then you could just like velcro the case to the back of the screen or something.
[2:16] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[2:16] * ShiftPlusOne sets mode -b *!*1@*.197.237.52.threembb.co.uk
[2:17] <Thorn_> what 'e get bant for?
[2:17] <neofutur> http://xena.ww7.be/rpi_forum.png
[2:17] <neofutur> greeat css for small devices ;)
[2:17] <ShiftPlusOne> evading another ban
[2:17] <Thorn_> oh
[2:17] <Thorn_> fair e'nuff
[2:17] <SStrife> i can't believe, that of all the oodles of cables and crap I have sitting around my desk, not one of them is a co-ax cable with RCA plugs
[2:17] <SStrife> \
[2:18] <GabrialDestruir> Does ANYONE actually code CSS in consideration of 800x600 devices?
[2:18] <GabrialDestruir> Honestly?
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[2:19] <neofutur> GabrialDestruir: i ll also be at 800x60 with my raspberry pi and http://www.dealextreme.com/p/pl8006-portable-8-color-lcd-monitor-tv-w-ypbpr-vga-input-47-870mhz-55245
[2:19] <SStrife> wikipedia does, but they'd be an exception rather than the rule
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[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder....
[2:20] <neofutur> strange a small device product make a forum with such a bad css for small devices
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> if the lapdock works fine and dandy for the Pi
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Entertainment-Center-Webtop-Packaging/dp/B004OVEJ8K/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1338423474&sr=8-3
[2:20] <SStrife> do you need to surf the web and post in the rpi forums on that particular screen though?
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> how well would that work?
[2:20] <amelia_> ShiftPlusOne: why not just ban the nick? :)
[2:20] <neofutur> and most of the internet works well with 800x600 fyi
[2:21] <SStrife> i notice this behaviour a lot with geeks, they have this habit of making sure that every device will do everything.
[2:21] <neofutur> its not so hard to learn a little bit of css
[2:21] <ShiftPlusOne> amelia_, eventually
[2:21] <SStrife> "No, I can't use a small screen on that, how will I write C for 10 hours straight?"
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> Though I guess the keyboard/mouse aren't handled by the dock itself...
[2:21] <SStrife> "This website sucks! I can't view it on my DOS box running Arachne on a hercules card!"
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> So to get them to work you'd need a BT adapter...
[2:22] <neofutur> (03:13) <+GabrialDe> Does ANYONE actually code CSS in consideration of 800x600 devices?
[2:22] <neofutur> real wenmaster do, and seriously most of the internet works well at 800x600
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[2:22] <SStrife> "real" webmaster
[2:22] <SStrife> the same "real" webmasters that still bother supporting IE6?
[2:22] <neofutur> also, there are still poor countries and poor people who are using very old monitors
[2:22] <IT_Sean> we're/clear
[2:23] <IT_Sean> oops
[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> Or worse SStrife.... IE4
[2:23] <neofutur> the same poor people the r-pi community could respect
[2:23] <SStrife> lol
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[2:23] <amelia_> yaay :)
[2:23] <ShiftPlusOne> going to be quite a big ban list soon
[2:23] <SStrife> I only have one monitor in my whole house that wont go to 1024x768
[2:23] <amelia_> Now, not that I'm sorry to see them go, but why keep banning piless / pimore?
[2:23] <SStrife> and it's a piece of rubbish
[2:23] <SStrife> even my oldest oldest LCD screen is 1024x768 native
[2:23] <neofutur> SStrife: supporting ie6 ans supporting small devides are 2 different things
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[2:24] <IT_Sean> amelia_ he was banned for repeated use of foul language. He keeps evading the ban. we keep banning him.
[2:24] <neofutur> (and supporting small devices and resulutions )
[2:24] <IT_Sean> that and generally being a [censored]
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[2:24] <neofutur> really comparing the 2 makes no sense
[2:24] <amelia_> Ah, I remember that,, okies :) and agreed, thanks for the clarification.. didn't know if he was just evading, or had done more. Thankies :)
[2:25] <SStrife> where do you stop, then?
[2:25] * PiBot sets mode +v Milos
[2:25] <neofutur> SStrife: in many countries, many people use old monitors and 800x600
[2:25] <IT_Sean> repeated swearing after we warned him against it a few hundred times, and ban evasion is why he is unwelcome in #raspberrypi at the moment.
[2:25] <ajebbatson> Back to 2400 baud and green screens! Text browsers for the win!
[2:25] <neofutur> internet is not only for rich countries like US and europe
[2:26] <neofutur> and afaik the pi is also for those poor people
[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> Even most small devices cell phones and stuff these days use higher resolutions than 800x600, and even if they don't there tends to be if the webmaster decides to support it, mobile content which is different layouts all together usually.
[2:26] <GabrialDestruir> Wrong, the Pi is for students.
[2:26] <IT_Sean> neofutur, the pis is for students, not "poor people"
[2:26] <neofutur> ok
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[2:26] <ShiftPlusOne> pi is primarily for students, and third world is a possible future use case which was kept in mind when pi was designed
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[2:27] <ReggieUK> the other reason he keeps getting banned is because he keeps evading the ban, if he keeps it up we'll end up chatting to IRCops about it instead
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[2:27] <SStrife> i think you overestimate how much 800x600 is out there
[2:27] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *piless*!*@*
[2:27] <SStrife> 1024x768 i could believe
[2:27] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *piful*!*@*
[2:27] <ShiftPlusOne> pimore *
[2:27] <IT_Sean> pimore too?
[2:27] <ajebbatson> Even OLPC is 1200x900 - even the third world has got better resolution!
[2:27] <ReggieUK> yup
[2:27] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *pimore*!*@*
[2:27] <ReggieUK> pimore too
[2:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I avoided doing that because if he uses a different nick, it's harder to notice
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[2:28] <IT_Sean> true
[2:28] <IT_Sean> want me to drop those?
[2:28] <GabrialDestruir> I think the smallest resolution I've seen these days is like 1024x600
[2:28] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh
[2:29] <GabrialDestruir> and that was on my 7" tablet.
[2:29] <SStrife> that's 10.1" netbook res
[2:29] <SStrife> as well
[2:29] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
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[2:30] <neofutur> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/pl8006-portable-8-color-lcd-monitor-tv-w-ypbpr-vga-input-47-870mhz-55245
[2:30] <neofutur> 800x600
[2:31] <neofutur> and many others
[2:31] <Elspuddy-pi> question, whats the password for gparted ?
[2:31] <SStrife> niche purpose
[2:31] <neofutur> i can post 200 links of monitors still selling
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[2:31] <SStrife> designing a page to suit that monitor, is like deisnging roads with horses in mind
[2:31] <SStrife> "just in case"
[2:31] <neofutur> + old monitors people still use, olpc is not so widely distributed i third world you know
[2:32] <SStrife> a 15" LCD from the late 90s is still 1024x768
[2:32] <GabrialDestruir> China.... you can probably still post links of knock off c64's selling from china... lol
[2:32] <neofutur> here in Peru its a scandal, few students have seen one
[2:33] <SStrife> haha, remember those sites where you got a splash page where you picked your resolution?
[2:33] <Axman6> is there any way to make the partitions in the debian image bigger while booted from the SD card? I don't have a linux box handy. Could I do it from some sort of single user mode?
[2:34] <SStrife> because they'd actually created totally discrete layouts for each screen size
[2:34] <SStrife> that was awful
[2:34] <SpeedEvil> SStrife: remember it - I hit it yesterday.
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[2:34] <neofutur> Axman6: yes its possible to resize partitions, i d recommend doing it from a live cd
[2:35] <neofutur> (mandriva installer is great for easy partition resizing )
[2:35] <SStrife> Welcome to our website! Click to enter: [ 640x480 ] [ 800x600 ] [ 1024x768 ]
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[2:35] <GabrialDestruir> I didn't realize that US was considered a developing country
[2:35] <GabrialDestruir> lmfao
[2:36] <SStrife> GabrialDestruir: depends where
[2:36] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: what is the opposite of developing?
[2:36] * fabrice (~fabrice@2620:101:8003:200:19b2:3f91:1595:4505) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
[2:36] <SStrife> Big cities like San Francisco, New York are nice and modern
[2:36] <Axman6> neofutur: I don't have easy access to a machine with an optical drive sadly? (my macbook pro's one has been replaced by a 750GB HDD)
[2:36] <SStrife> but there are some real poo-holes
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, nondeveloping? xD
[2:36] <Axman6> hmm, maybe I could do it with my old thinkpad
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> *developed
[2:37] <ajebbatson> I demand hieroglyphic support for my tablet and abacus combo.
[2:37] <SStrife> haha
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[2:37] <shirro> I want better usb support for my bamboo sliderule
[2:37] <neofutur> Axman6: can probably work from a usb key
[2:38] <SStrife> that's the only way I know to do that actually on the Pi
[2:38] <neofutur> just the partitioning systen have to not be on the same medium you will resize
[2:38] <SStrife> move rootfs to a USB disk, unmount the root partition on the sd card
[2:38] <SStrife> tricky and time consuming
[2:38] <ajebbatson> Looking for a driver for my antikythera mechanism.
[2:38] <Axman6> seems my thinkpad has ubuntu installed, so I should be able to use that, and a USB card reader
[2:39] <SStrife> you'd be better off with a card reader, a PC, and a V
[2:39] <Axman6> I ran out of space on my SD card trying to install LLVM :(
[2:39] <SStrife> VM*
[2:39] <SStrife> or yeah, a regualr linux install will work too
[2:39] <shirro> Axman6: what are you using llvm for?
[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> I need to resize my card soon...
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[2:40] <Axman6> wanted clang so I could compile things more quickly, and just to see how broken it is on the pi
[2:40] <shirro> what distro?
[2:41] <hotwings> one thing i still havent found out is if the gpu has hw deinterlacers, or if its just decoding. anyone know the answer to that 100%?
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[2:41] <GabrialDestruir> btw... 640x480 >.> That's just scandulous -nods-
[2:41] <shirro> Axman6: I have being playing with clang and have some idea of what is obviously broken
[2:41] <SStrife> i'm running 480p right now, pi is connected to a composite display
[2:41] <GabrialDestruir> Ah, composite displays don't go higher?
[2:41] <SStrife> but i'm not silly/desperate/vindictive enough to surf the web on such a small display ;)
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[2:42] <SStrife> no, don't think so
[2:42] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose that'd depend on the display though. So silly question .-.
[2:43] <SStrife> i dont know of any displays that will do higher than 480p/576i over composite
[2:43] <SStrife> higher over s-video, component, or rgb perhaps
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[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> Oh right.
[2:44] <Axman6> shirro: anything in particular?
[2:45] <PhonicUK> i wonder if theres an open source spotify client i can get running on the pi
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[2:46] <GabrialDestruir> They should of went with some sort of modular vido system, not using composite? Just swap it out for HDMi, or Component, or anything else really
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[2:47] <IT_Sean> GabrialDestruir, that would have added a LOT of cost
[2:47] <IT_Sean> not to mention signal timing issues w/ HDMI
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, was about to say that. lol
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[2:47] <IT_Sean> you keep suggesting things that would make the raspi _more_ expensive.
[2:47] <IT_Sean> :p
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> That's cause EVERYTHING makes the raspi more expensive xD
[2:48] <ReggieUK> I wonder how cheap composite to vga adapters are?
[2:48] <SStrife> PhonicUK: despotify
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[2:48] <SStrife> and have a look at their top post :D
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[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> Wouldn't you be better going from HDMI to VGA? Since Composite has such low resolution.
[2:49] <Axman6> and.. gparted seems to have done the trick, now to test it out
[2:49] <SStrife> video by hexxeh, no less :)
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> I need to start looking into adapters and such so that I can have all my cords go out the back of the Pi
[2:50] <Hexxeh> hmm?
[2:50] <PhonicUK> SStrife, works for me - now I need to do the same for groveshark
[2:50] <Hexxeh> oh heh
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[2:50] <SStrife> despotify on raspi
[2:50] <SStrife> nice
[2:50] <SStrife> you can finally get spotify in Australia
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[2:50] <SStrife> i'm contemplating buying a sub
[2:51] <SStrife> but they're missing some of my fave bands
[2:51] <neofutur> ah also, one more reason why i ll make my forum , for the same reason I have my own url shortener, my own pastebin, my own friendica
[2:51] <neofutur> I stopped trusted people to still have my informtion in 10 years
[2:51] <neofutur> most of them will be hacked, losse database, no backups . . .
[2:51] <SStrife> meh
[2:52] <neofutur> particularly when i see a very badly done website . . .
[2:53] <SStrife> 'kay.
[2:53] <PhonicUK> that moment when you relise you already have all the required dependencies to build something
[2:53] <PhonicUK> =)
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[2:54] <Axman6> excellent, resizing the partitions went just fine
[2:54] <SStrife> yeah, gparted is a fantastic tool hey?
[2:54] <neofutur> ( having your own url shortener is really cool, being able to edit your links if needed, choose the short url . . . )
[2:55] <Axman6> SStrife: aye, the live CD has saved me several times
[2:55] <shirro> Axman6: there are a few things wrong with it on armhf (Raspbian) which is why I asked which distro
[2:55] <PhonicUK> i wish gparted supported LVM
[2:55] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm....
[2:55] <PhonicUK> I don't know of any graphical partition editors that support LVM yet :\
[2:55] <PhonicUK> which is a pain in the butt
[2:55] <Axman6> shirro: I'm using the debian image, should that be fine?
[2:56] <GabrialDestruir> I could rip open my second case and use the legos to redirect my power cord...
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[2:57] <SStrife> http://tiny.cc/guess_what_neo :)
[2:57] <shirro> Axman6: yes, probably. It falls apart on armhf without some patching. It has much better errors than gcc and is stricter. A much better beginners compiler I think so I would like to see it work well on the Pi
[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> That'd still leave the big bulky HDMI cord sticking out of the side...
[2:57] <GabrialDestruir> but two locations are better than three right?
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[2:58] <neofutur> SStrife: https://github.com/neofutur/gwgd
[2:58] <neofutur> or http://tiny.cc/ is yours ?
[2:59] <neofutur> ah at least its not an open source shortenr like mine :p
[2:59] <SStrife> "yours"
[2:59] <SStrife> forked from https://github.com/nhoizey/casimir
[2:59] <neofutur> yes its also a fork
[2:59] <SStrife> have you ever written anything from scratch?
[2:59] <neofutur> but http://gw.gd is mine
[2:59] <neofutur> yes i stopped coding from scratch 10 years ago
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[3:00] <SStrife> then stop pretending you didn't ;)
[3:01] <neofutur> saying my shortener is open source dont mean i wrote it
[3:01] <neofutur> everyone could say "my browser is open source, using firefox
[3:01] <neofutur> and not having wrote it
[3:01] <SStrife> "my own url shortner"
[3:01] <SpeedEvil> My ketchup is open source.
[3:02] <neofutur> yes I have my own url shortener, i m not using a service provided by others
[3:02] <SpeedEvil> Gd=guadaloupe?
[3:02] <neofutur> my data is on my server, no one will loose it or use it
[3:03] <neofutur> grenade
[3:03] <SStrife> hopefully
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> ag
[3:03] <neofutur> but i live in peru
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[3:03] <neofutur> .gd is just the cheaper 2 letters domain name
[3:03] <neofutur> http://two.vg/
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[3:03] <cperrin88> Hey
[3:03] <neofutur> is some of you like short names ;)
[3:03] <SStrife> you "hope" nobody will use it
[3:03] <neofutur> if
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> I got my own 4-letter .com
[3:03] <cperrin88> I'm searching for the correct settings for the resolution for my RPi
[3:04] <SpeedEvil> by the simple expedient of setting snipes for a fiver on all upcoming domains of 4 letters on ebay
[3:04] <neofutur> still a total of 7 letters, compared to 4 for a xx.gd ;)
[3:04] <cperrin88> My TV supports 1080i @ 6o Hz
[3:05] <neofutur> SStrife: waht do you mean by "you "hope" nobody will use it ?
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[3:05] <SStrife> well
[3:05] <neofutur> i d hope if i were using bit.ly or tiny.cc
[3:05] <cperrin88> So I added hdmi_mode=5 to my config.txt but now tv servic tells me that it is 720x480 and my tv banks out
[3:05] <SStrife> you assume nobody will break in to your host and take the information
[3:05] <neofutur> i m prestty sure since i m hosting my own one
[3:05] <GabrialDestruir> http://gw.gd/D75v
[3:06] <GabrialDestruir> Look at that.... someone just used yours
[3:06] <neofutur> ahyes yo can use it
[3:06] <SStrife> "where" is irrelevant
[3:06] <neofutur> but no one will use my data, my links
[3:06] <SStrife> your server is no less able to be compromised than any other
[3:06] <neofutur> imagine when bit.ly will decide to show an add everytime someone use your short link ?
[3:06] <neofutur> before redirecting
[3:07] <neofutur> this wont happen tome
[3:07] <cperrin88> Someone with experience in setting up the resolution on the RPi?
[3:07] <neofutur> SStrife: hehe few people use gentoo hrdened and have this kind of paxtest : http://pastebin.com/1p9VCjU5
[3:08] <neofutur> yes my servers are less able to be compromised than most of the internet
[3:08] <SStrife> never lose that optimism
[3:08] <SStrife> :)
[3:08] <neofutur> + i have backups on 3 other servers in 3 different datacenters
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[3:08] <GabrialDestruir> Everything can be hacked, it's foolish of you to think otherwise.
[3:09] <neofutur> a webiste can be hacked, happened with old installs of webapps, the server wont be rooted
[3:09] <neofutur> sure, but still I just said "less able to be compromised"
[3:10] <neofutur> less able != impossible
[3:10] <SStrife> luckily you're so small, you're an unlikely target
[3:10] <neofutur> there could be a backdoor in grsec like there is in selinux for sure
[3:10] <neofutur> but i trust spender more than I trust the NSA :p
[3:10] <Axman6> shirro: i agree. this might take sometime however? the configure has been going for about 5 minutes...
[3:11] <cperrin88> I use FreeBSD ... even less a target than Linux xD
[3:11] <GabrialDestruir> Everything can be hacked. The only way not to get hacked online is to stay offline, the only way not to get hacked offline is to not own a computer.
[3:11] * Axman6 would love to see more of the BSDs supported on the pi
[3:12] <neofutur> cperrin88: gentoo is mostly the bsdlike linux
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> Even that doesn't prevent YOU from being hacked though. Someone who gains access to a company that holds records on you such as a bank or the government themselves has hacked you.
[3:12] <Axman6> Arch feels far more BSD like to me
[3:12] <cperrin88> neofutur: I don't like gentoo ... it's like bsd with crappy ports ...
[3:12] <neofutur> and the hardened kernel ( grsec ) have many of the bsd kernel features
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[3:13] <shirro> Axman6: Are you are doing a build of llvm and clang? I build clang again last night on an arm. It takes a long time. Not sure how it would go with Pi's memory. I though clang was packaged in debian squeeze
[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> The only way you could truly say that hackers could never touch your life, is to never have existed in a computer ever.
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[3:13] <neofutur> I will probably try arch linux soon, seems pretty good
[3:13] <SStrife> great
[3:14] <SStrife> ACS has stopped working
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> I want to see pfsense on Pi
[3:14] <neofutur> GabrialDestruir: i have not said "never" or "impossible"
[3:14] <SStrife> my devices aren't being put on vlans :-(
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> that'd be an interesting project.
[3:14] <neofutur> just said "less likely"
[3:15] <cperrin88> What do you think: Is Firewalling the ICMP requests sinsible? ... I find it more or less just annoying
[3:16] <GabrialDestruir> Penetration testing taken to a new level... you could use raspi's and the teacher would upload special images with certain exploits readily available or no exploits or etc.
[3:16] <GabrialDestruir> You load it onto your Pi and the assignment is to "hack the Pi"
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[3:19] <GabrialDestruir> Could help with security training from the hacking perspective as opposed to.... "these are different things you need to watch out for... plus a bunch of other stuff we won't cover"
[3:19] <neofutur> cperrin88: tehre are different types on ICMP to firewall or not
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[3:20] <neofutur> you wont firewall ICMP as a whole
[3:20] <neofutur> http://www.richweb.com/icmp_filter
[3:20] <SStrife> dropping certain kinds of ICMP packets is rfc-breaking.
[3:21] <cperrin88> I mean echo requests
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir> Damn...
[3:21] <GabrialDestruir> I think I accidently tossed my good USB extension cord
[3:21] <Axman6> neofutur: there is no "bsd kernel"...
[3:22] <Axman6> they've all got their own kernels
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[3:28] <GabrialDestruir> Dunno why..... but for some reason I can't sudo echo something to /boot/config.txt I have su first
[3:29] <Axman6> shirro: yeah building it now. I'm prepared for it to take the rest of today and keep going overnight
[3:30] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, because sudo echo doesn't work that way
[3:30] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, you're running echo as root and the piping it as user.
[3:30] <GabrialDestruir> Oh!
[3:31] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, look here for various ways to do what you want to do http://stackoverflow.com/questions/84882/sudo-echo-something-etc-privilegedfile-doesnt-work-is-there-an-alterna
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> so it'd have to be like echo "text" sudo >> config.txt or something? >.>
[3:31] <ShiftPlusOne> no
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> Oh huh.
[3:32] <SStrife> you can't sudo echo, unless you're in funky town
[3:32] <GabrialDestruir> Yea I see how to do it now.
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[3:33] <GabrialDestruir> I need a new way to display my dynamic motd.... xD
[3:33] <SStrife> only one motd is needed
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[3:33] <SStrife> /bin/games/fortune
[3:33] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[3:33] <SStrife> /usr/games/fortune even
[3:34] <GabrialDestruir> What is fortune? o.O
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[3:34] <GabrialDestruir> n
[3:35] <SStrife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_(Unix)
[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> fortunes outputs some random thing for some defined file I think
[3:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it comes from fortune cookie
[3:36] <SStrife> -o Choose only from "offensive" databases
[3:36] <SStrife> hahaha
[3:36] <SStrife> <3 geeks
[3:37] <nemo> hm
[3:38] <nemo> WRT containers
[3:38] <nemo> why don't I just cut input ports in the box it came in?
[3:39] <nemo> actually. would there be any harm to leaving the static bag inside? could it help w/ RFE at all?
[3:40] <nemo> ShiftPlusOne: you can also define a database, they are pretty easy to build, and also have a rot13 option for mild surprise effect
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> You could leave it in the box it came in....
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> but what's the fun in that?
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> Buy a lego case xD
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[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> I need to work on a lego case design that allows for easy GPIO access.
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[4:00] <GabrialDestruir> Design 1 of my GPIO case done xD
[4:00] <wizkid057> anyone use the GPIO to interface with a 5V AVR?
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[4:02] <Axman6> crap. I think my /etc/passwd is screwed. is there anyther root enabled account on the pi by default? (debian)
[4:03] <Axman6> why on earth were there two entries for almost all users in there? >_<
[4:03] <Axman6> trying to fix it using pwck meant it deleted the wrong pi user
[4:03] <GabrialDestruir> use linux to modify it?
[4:04] <Axman6> hmm, logging in using a new ssh session seems to let me edit it
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[4:11] <GabrialDestruir> This is why I like lego cases. the customizability means the same case with a few extra or removal of some parts, you could have a whole different design.
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[4:15] <Ben64> also cheap
[4:15] <GabrialDestruir> That too. lol
[4:16] <Ben64> you made a lego case for yours?
[4:16] <GabrialDestruir> Yup
[4:16] <Ben64> pics?
[4:16] <GabrialDestruir> I'll get around to it soon xD
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[4:16] <Ben64> i don't want to buy a case, especially since they cost almost as much as a pi
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[4:17] <Ben64> its like buying a $400 case for a computer you're building that costs $600
[4:17] <GabrialDestruir> Only cost me about 17 dollars. But I'm designing a second version with GPIO access, so that might add in a few more parts so it'll probably go up a dollar or two
[4:19] <Ben64> oh well i have a giant bin of old legos from the 90s
[4:19] <Ben64> :)
[4:19] <Foxhoundz> Put it in a ziplock bag
[4:20] <Foxhoundz> and make some holes for the ports
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[4:21] <Ben64> lame
[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently I have some structural integrity issues around the ethernet port
[4:23] <ReggieUK> I Wish they'd spent the extra 0.5p on fr4 board and made the ports fit nicely
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[4:24] <ReggieUK> I would've paid the extra
[4:24] <Ben64> fr4?
[4:24] <ReggieUK> pcb
[4:25] <Ben64> looks like a pcb to me : /
[4:26] <ReggieUK> indeed it is, I just wish they'd spent some money on making the board slightly bigger so the connections aren't all at different levels to each other
[4:27] <Ben64> ah
[4:27] <Ben64> yeah i think they were trying too hard to stay credit card size
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[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> The only issue Ben, is you need a lot of 1x* legos
[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> otherwise port access becomes hard/impossible
[4:30] <Ben64> i have tons of legos
[4:30] <Ben64> shouldn't be a problem
[4:31] <Ben64> http://www.saber-scorpion.com/lego/images/Halo/spartan_laser_01.jpg
[4:31] <Ben64> and i have a bunch of those orange things i could maybe use for the LEDs
[4:32] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, My design just covers all that up xD
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[4:49] <GabrialDestruir> I need something that sits between the usb jack and the lego above it..
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[4:50] <lo-tech> is this a good place to bother around about troubleshooting xbmc on the pi model B?
[4:51] <GabrialDestruir> Yes and no
[4:51] <lo-tech> perfect
[4:52] <GabrialDestruir> Some people will help you others will whine and complain about XBMC on Pi and it's "impure" and etc etc
[4:53] <lo-tech> lolwat
[4:53] <lo-tech> "impure"?
[4:53] <ShiftPlusOne> lo-tech, there's also #xbmc-rpi, but that's a channel with 3 people and they're all afk
[4:53] <lo-tech> hah, hooray
[4:53] <GabrialDestruir> I'll help the best I can.
[4:54] <lo-tech> at any rate, I'm having some stutter issues with 720p video, but 1080p plays back fine
[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds about right
[4:54] <lo-tech> seemed a little strange to me
[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> 1080p is hardware accelerated
[4:54] <lo-tech> hm
[4:54] <GabrialDestruir> Doesn't sound right to me .-.
[4:54] <GabrialDestruir> 720p plays fine when I was playing with it, what distro?
[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> "The GPU provides Open GL ES 2.0, hardware-accelerated OpenVG, and 1080p30 H.264 high-profile decode."
[4:55] <ShiftPlusOne> note the 1080p30 H.264
[4:55] <lo-tech> http://www.raspbmc.com/2012/05/raspbmc-is-now-in-beta/
[4:55] <lo-tech> that one
[4:56] <GabrialDestruir> It seems odd it'd do 1080p hardware-accelerated yet not 720p if anything :p
[4:56] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, are you using that or openelec?
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[4:56] <GabrialDestruir> Now where are you getting the video from, lo-tech?
[4:56] <GabrialDestruir> On the device, or network shares, or a plugin?
[4:57] <lo-tech> all of it's coming from an SMB share popped off a FreeBSD box running zfs for the filesystem the share sits on
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[4:57] <lo-tech> for some reason it just occurred to me to test it with another 720p video
[4:57] <GabrialDestruir> and the codec?
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[4:58] <lo-tech> checking, sec
[4:59] <GabrialDestruir> Cause I've been doing H264 720p just fine, but I notice on like Youtube or other Plugins, that I'll sometimes come across a video that's all stutters and just really unplayable.
[4:59] <Crenn-NAS> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFIRETRUCK!
[4:59] <Crenn-NAS> Missed the delivery guy who had my RPi
[4:59] <GabrialDestruir> The USB port shouldn't be heating up too much should it?
[5:00] <SStrife> the USB chip maybe
[5:00] <SStrife> the port getting hot!?
[5:01] <SStrife> seems??? alarming
[5:01] <GabrialDestruir> No, not that I know of.
[5:01] <slide> anyone involved with xbmc on rpi here?
[5:01] <GabrialDestruir> sraue does openelec though I'm not sure if he's about.
[5:02] <slide> just wanting to get a raspbian version built
[5:03] <lo-tech> GabrialDestruir, seems to be H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10) (avc1)
[5:03] <lo-tech> according to vlc
[5:04] <GabrialDestruir> I need to figure out a way to sell my lego design...
[5:04] <lo-tech> slide, I've been using this image alright http://www.raspbmc.com/2012/05/raspbmc-is-now-in-beta/ for a few days now
[5:05] <GabrialDestruir> Audio type?
[5:05] <lo-tech> A52 Audio (aka AC3) (a52)
[5:05] <lo-tech> 384 kb/s
[5:06] <ShiftPlusOne> slide, what's the problem? I am looking at the openelec build scripts for xbmc and there doesn't seem to be anything tricky
[5:06] <slide> no problem yet, never even heard of openelec until a sec ago hehe
[5:06] <slide> they just need to be built with hardware floating point apparently
[5:07] <GabrialDestruir> AC3 passthrough enabled?
[5:07] <lo-tech> will check, hold plox
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[5:09] <mkopack> YAY! FINALLY got a version of ROS installed on the RPi! Had to go back to the previous release. The current one has only been out for about a month so it still needs some work making it work on debian
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[5:10] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, what's the point? Not asking in a "psh, why bother?" way, but actually interested.
[5:11] <mkopack> Robot OS? Eh, it's something we're starting to use at work, so I want to have a setup at home to play with. The RPi is small and has low power requirements so I can use it (or several of them together) on smaller robots, and interface with Arduino for sensing/motor control type stuff
[5:12] <mkopack> Arduino is great, but it just doesn't have the memory and processing power to do stuff like A* path planning or SLAM mapping
[5:12] <ShiftPlusOne> slide, there is a build script here https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/blob/master/packages/mediacenter/xbmc-rpi/build along with the meta information like dependencies here https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/blob/master/packages/mediacenter/xbmc-rpi/meta Might be helpful to steal info from there if you run into trouble.
[5:12] <mkopack> ROS can
[5:12] <mkopack> on the Pi
[5:12] <slide> thanks
[5:12] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, oh I thought it was RiscOS
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[5:13] <mkopack> hehe, EVERYONE assumes that's what I'm talking about! LOL
[5:13] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[5:14] <acfrazier> so I got my rpi today
[5:14] <acfrazier> finally
[5:14] <DaQatz> Grats
[5:14] <acfrazier> after 3 months
[5:14] <mkopack> acfrazier: congrats!
[5:14] <slide> yea this would have been real nice to have when i was in college, had to custom build some PIC boards to run the robots
[5:14] <acfrazier> time to see if it works
[5:14] <acfrazier> if it doesn't I'm gonna be pissed
[5:15] <mkopack> acfrazier: don't get frustrated if it doesn't. Lots of folks having issues with their SD cards??? so try a couple, same with Power supplies
[5:15] <DaQatz> Pi didn't like any of my sd cards that were bigger then 1 gig.
[5:16] <DaQatz> So resize an image
[5:16] <DaQatz> sized*
[5:18] <lo-tech> GabrialDestruir, that appears to have been the issue, I turned the AC3 capable receiver bit on and the stuttering stopped, but so did the audio since my TV isn't AC3 capable. So I flipped it to analog and that seems to work fine
[5:18] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, it doesn't like decoding anything cpu
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[5:18] <lo-tech> makes sense
[5:18] <lo-tech> thanks for the help
[5:18] <GabrialDestruir> since we don't have ac3 licesning it stutters
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[5:23] <D34TH> question, can raspi boot the ubuntu armhf .bootimg
[5:23] <mkopack> ok, now to test ROS and see if it actually WORKS!
[5:23] <mkopack> BBIAB
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[5:25] <ForceBlast> Somewhat of a linux noob here. I'm running the debian linux build from the RP download page. I'm trying to set up my RP so that I can access it via the hostname instead of the IP. This wasn't working at all until I ran 'sudo apt-get install libcupsys2 samba samba-common'. Now I can resolve the name from windows machines but not from my mac. Also, the RP's host name doesn't show in my router's device list. Any suggesti
[5:26] <GabrialDestruir> Sounds more like a network issue than a Pi issue.
[5:26] <GabrialDestruir> Or a Mac issue.
[5:27] <ForceBlast> Right, could be. It was a 'shot in the dark' that perhaps this was some sort of well known issue with the debian image.
[5:27] <ForceBlast> Thanks, anyway.
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[5:29] <GabrialDestruir> If even one device can resolve the hostname it's a not an issue with the Pi
[5:30] <lo-tech> does anyone know of a wifi dongle that *for sure* doesn't need a powered USB hub to work on the model B?
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[5:34] <ForceBlast> Right, I'm definitely not blaming the PI. I've been googling on this issue for hours and before I give up I figured I'm probably not the only Raspberry PI user trying this and that perhaps someone else has run into the problem. I'm sure it is a linux/mac/network issue, but there's so much conflicting and outdated info out there it's often tough to figure out what's still relevant.
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[5:35] <ForceBlast> I'll keep digging.
[5:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ForceBlast, it's a very vague problem which can have many causes. It would take some experimenting on your behalf to narrow it down.
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[5:40] <GabrialDestruir> Just need to do some photo information stripping and a little editing and I'll upload my case pictures.
[5:40] <nemo> soooo
[5:41] <nemo> when they say "do not attempt to power by plugging into hub/computer"
[5:41] <nemo> do they really really mean it?
[5:41] <nemo> or just "kinda mean it"
[5:41] <nemo> I mean, if I checked the voltage
[5:41] <wizkid057> seems to work fine for me
[5:41] <nemo> and made sure it wasn't providing 15
[5:41] <GabrialDestruir> Works here.
[5:41] <nemo> hm. which one. hub or computer? :)
[5:41] <wizkid057> both
[5:41] <nemo> yay
[5:41] <nemo> right.
[5:41] <nemo> wizkid057: what about tv? :)
[5:42] <GabrialDestruir> As long as it's providing only 5V out it should be fine.
[5:42] <nemo> let's dooooooo this!
[5:42] <wizkid057> nemo: HDMI works, but, I have no USB peripherials hooked up
[5:42] <GabrialDestruir> I'm powering mine through my Ooma
[5:42] <ShiftPlusOne> the issue is that it might not be enough current, that's all.
[5:44] <Axman6> i'm using an Apple USB charger at the moment, seems to work well
[5:45] <nemo> so basically no one is following their instructions? :)
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[5:46] <nemo> hm. now where did I put my spare USB keyboard
[5:46] <nemo> nope. that one is PS/2
[5:47] <nemo> guess I could use the bluetooth one, if I wanted to add more variables to potential for fail
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[5:58] <GabrialDestruir> Windows 7 image property remover?
[5:58] <GabrialDestruir> sucks
[5:58] <GabrialDestruir> -.-
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[6:10] <SStrife> that name resolving issue
[6:10] <SStrife> it worked from his Windows PCs because he installed samba
[6:10] <SStrife> the linux computer started advertising its name to the master browser
[6:11] <GabrialDestruir> Ah.
[6:11] <SStrife> when you do any network op in Windows, it tried DNS resolve first
[6:11] <SStrife> then it will try treating it as a netbios name
[6:12] <SStrife> Mac doesn't have as complate an implementation of those mechanics as samba
[6:12] <SStrife> it's pretty close
[6:12] <SStrife> but when you try to ping, it won't try to resolve it as a netbios name, just DNS
[6:13] <SStrife> maybe bonjour
[6:13] <SStrife> i hate samba/cifs on anything non-Windows
[6:14] <SStrife> it can be somewhat better if your network has a WINS server, but that's a lot of effort for something as simple as name resolution
[6:14] <SStrife> but then again, so is a full fledged DNS server
[6:15] <SStrife> the problem is solved in IPv6 supposedly
[6:16] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.thoughtsofthemasses.com/gabrialdestruir/2012/05/30/raspberry-pi-meets-lego-bricks/
[6:16] <Crenn-NAS> GabrialDestruir: Pity I don't have lego at my new place
[6:16] <SStrife> cool
[6:17] <SStrife> does the board wiggle around at all?
[6:17] <GabrialDestruir> Nope.
[6:17] <SStrife> nice
[6:17] <SStrife> that's always my reservation about building cases for stuff from lego
[6:17] <SStrife> the notch size is the limit of granularity
[6:17] <Crenn-NAS> GabrialDestruir: Obviously Lego made the bricks years ago with the RPi in mind
[6:17] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[6:17] <GabrialDestruir> Actually they didn't -.-
[6:17] <GabrialDestruir> and it's ANNOYING
[6:18] <Crenn-NAS> Lego is awesome
[6:18] <GabrialDestruir> Do you know how much easier this would of been to build if 3x3 pieces existed? or 3x12 pieces?
[6:18] <GabrialDestruir> A lot!
[6:18] <Crenn-NAS> But designing some for scratch is more awesome!
[6:18] <SStrife> when i was younger, i had a lego set, and it had a dozen or so pieces of some non-lego clone set mixed in
[6:18] <Crenn-NAS> stuff from^
[6:19] <SStrife> which turned out good, because the "plank" piece was 1.5x the thickness of the lego plank
[6:19] <SStrife> which was cool for fitting lego into other stuff.
[6:20] <GabrialDestruir> My model was more of "Prototype" I made a few improvements based on the original designs I had and I'm thinking of selling them for like 5 bucks, the designs that is, not the cases xD
[6:21] <Crenn-NAS> GabrialDestruir: Currently, my RPi (when I retrive it from the evil clutches of the postal network) will be sitting on my desk naked
[6:21] <Crenn-NAS> Hooked upto microcontrollers
[6:21] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[6:21] <GabrialDestruir> I was thinking about a "GPIO friendly" case.
[6:21] <GabrialDestruir> Where the GPIO is all revealed and such.
[6:22] <GabrialDestruir> er the pins that is
[6:22] <Crenn-NAS> GabrialDestruir: I might make a case with some wood
[6:22] <Crenn-NAS> I guessed as much
[6:23] <SStrife> a nice stained and sealed maple case
[6:23] <SStrife> that would be amazing
[6:23] <SStrife> Raspberry Pi like a sir!
[6:23] <GabrialDestruir> I like the Lego design.. sure if I ever drop it it might shatter.... but the legos are gonna protect the board from any major damage.
[6:23] <Crenn-NAS> SStrife: With a built in Leaflabs Maple? ;P
[6:24] <SStrife> yes
[6:24] <SStrife> very
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[6:24] <Crenn-NAS> My first project with the RPi is to get it communicating via SPI to the Leaflabs Maple
[6:25] <Crenn-NAS> Then get the Maple's RTC working with the HSE
[6:26] <SStrife> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=711bZ_pLusQ
[6:26] <SStrife> mankind has reached its technological zenith
[6:27] <SStrife> there is nothing left to do
[6:27] <DaQatz> SStrife: They said that in 1600's
[6:27] <SStrife> on a TREADMILL
[6:27] <SStrife> ??
[6:28] <SStrife> it just keeps going and going
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[6:30] <acfrazier> hm.
[6:30] <GabrialDestruir> If only you could somehow harnest that into infinite power
[6:30] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[6:31] <acfrazier> my rpi is hotter than body temp
[6:31] <acfrazier> perhaps it's the samsung RAM?
[6:31] <Crenn-NAS> SStrife: It's going to stop
[6:31] <Crenn-NAS> acfrazier: QUICK TURN IT OFF! IT'S BURNING UP!
[6:31] <SStrife> not if I put the video on LOOP!!!! mwahahaha
[6:31] <Crenn-NAS> Also, sarcasm
[6:32] <acfrazier> Crenn-NAS, lmfao
[6:32] <Crenn-NAS> SStrife: GASP! Don't do it!
[6:32] <Crenn-NAS> You'll never break free from it
[6:34] <GabrialDestruir> In infinite slinky loop?
[6:34] <GabrialDestruir> An*
[6:34] <Crenn-NAS> He's not coming back is he?
[6:34] <GabrialDestruir> He's lost to us.
[6:34] <GabrialDestruir> Forever
[6:34] <GabrialDestruir> Quick! Someone steal his Pi! >.>
[6:34] <Crenn-NAS> xD
[6:34] <SStrife> buffering
[6:35] <DaQatz> But GabrialDestruir you have a pi, why steal another?
[6:35] <Crenn-NAS> He's using that to play that video
[6:35] <SStrife> phew
[6:35] <SStrife> broke free from that one
[6:35] <Crenn-NAS> DaQatz: Everyone knows 2 pis are better than 1 pi
[6:35] <GabrialDestruir> I need 2....
[6:35] <GabrialDestruir> So I can have Tau
[6:35] <Crenn-NAS> And yes, that's a cooking and a maths joke
[6:35] <Crenn-NAS> GabrialDestruir: I don't like you anymore ;P
[6:36] <Crenn-NAS> SStrife: So youtube saved you?
[6:36] <GabrialDestruir> I need two so I can run XBMC on one forever
[6:36] <GabrialDestruir> and Raspbian on the other forever
[6:37] <GabrialDestruir> Or maybe not Raspbian.... but some distro I'm messing with.
[6:37] <Crenn-NAS> GabrialDestruir: Maybe run assembly on it ;P
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[6:38] <SStrife> sure did
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[6:38] <Crenn-NAS> YOUTUBE SAVES LIVES!
[6:38] <SStrife> youtube doomed it in the first place
[6:38] <SStrife> bad
[6:39] * Crenn-NAS usually just downloads youtube videos
[6:39] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm.... That's kind of a catch 22....
[6:39] <Crenn-NAS> Saves bandwidth
[6:39] <GabrialDestruir> Youtube put your life in danger... But then Youtube saves your life.
[6:39] <GabrialDestruir> So is youtube the villain or the hero?
[6:39] <Crenn-NAS> GabrialDestruir: It's the anti-hero
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[6:47] <netman87> DVB + RPi = ?
[6:50] <Crenn-NAS> Soap Operas
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[6:57] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, my TV doesn't take HDMI if the TV wasn't one when the HDMI was initiated.
[6:57] <ome> is there an issue if someone reproduce the RPi for commerical purpose ?
[6:58] <GabrialDestruir> Reproduce how?
[6:58] <GabrialDestruir> A clone?
[6:58] <ome> in a production line I suppose. not exactly a clone but more or less the same thing.
[6:59] <slide> hrm weird im getting a kernel panic when using a keyboard ha
[7:00] <mjr> netman87, dvb + rpi = hope your dvb transmission use mpeg-4/h264, 'cause the oomph to decode and deinterlace mpeg2 in software is doubtful
[7:00] <mjr> (somebody was gonna try that for sd resolution stuff, don't know what happened though)
[7:00] <netman87> oh its not in high resolution
[7:01] <netman87> but yeah i think its pretty much mpeg2
[7:01] <netman87> not 100% sure yet
[7:01] <mjr> if it's SD, it probably is
[7:01] <netman87> i get free DVB for USB today
[7:01] <netman87> but dunno how long it takes for RPi to arrive
[7:02] <mjr> but don't count on the pi to be able to decode it fast enough. Thanks to patents, the GPU acceleration for mpeg2 is unavailable.
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[7:02] <GabrialDestruir> They should make a DVB that converts all mpeg2 to mpeg-4/h264
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[7:03] <netman87> isnt h264 coming to tv's?
[7:03] <netman87> its just so slow
[7:03] <GabrialDestruir> Make it all happen before it ever gets to the Pi
[7:03] <netman87> i feel so tired
[7:03] <mjr> netman87, yes, but sd material will probably not switch to it due to backwards compatibility
[7:03] <netman87> maybe i sleep little bit
[7:03] <GabrialDestruir> From my understanding a LOT of places still use mpeg2
[7:03] <mjr> any time soon, anyway
[7:04] <cperrin88> Let the Pi convert MPEG4 to h264 on the fly and then let it encode it!!!
[7:04] <netman87> s/4/2
[7:05] <GabrialDestruir> Pi doesn't play nicely with MPEG2.... so unless that's ALL it was doing it probably wouldn't work well
[7:05] <mjr> It's been proposed before. I don't know enough of the codecs to comment on feasibility, but it's not completely implausible that one might be able to pull it off.
[7:06] <cperrin88> mjr: What do you mean?
[7:06] <mjr> someone better understanding the codecs could probably kill that idea though
[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> Codec Packs is where it's at!
[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> except...
[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> we don't have codec packs
[7:07] <GabrialDestruir> Decoding or w/e of MPEG2 would happen in the CPU while you could probably encode with the GPU
[7:07] <GabrialDestruir> encode h264*
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[7:08] <cperrin88> I'd guess it qould eat pretty much every bit of the RPi and more
[7:09] <GabrialDestruir> Unforunately I doubt we'll see codec packs mostly because there's no feasible way they could order the codecs and then release them to just the people who buy them.
[7:09] <GabrialDestruir> At some point someone would buy it and make it available freely.
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[7:11] <GabrialDestruir> So until someone can crack the GPU open, there's not a lot we can do.
[7:12] <DaQatz> I'll get a hammer.
[7:12] <DaQatz> Think it's gonna damage my pi
[7:12] <GabrialDestruir> I don't think a hammer will help you digitally crack the GPU so we can use it :p
[7:12] <GabrialDestruir> Unless it's like....
[7:12] <GabrialDestruir> A digital hammer....
[7:13] <mjr> GabrialDestruir, I think cperrin88 was suggesting that, if mpeg4 asp/avc had similar enough features to mpeg2 (among with their more advanced ones), the mpeg2 could be side-converted to mpeg4 without fully decoding it. Which isn't a completely daft idea, but would require someone with in-depth codec knowledge to shoot down.
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[7:14] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs
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[7:14] <GabrialDestruir> Right.
[7:15] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder what it'd take to create a "Digital Hammer"
[7:15] <GabrialDestruir> something you could toss at things like "signed bootloaders" and you could just crack them.
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[7:19] <DaQatz> Problem is the SOC is hard to debug. Don't exactly have easy access to ram to do dumps and debugging.
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[7:20] <GabrialDestruir> True.
[7:20] <DaQatz> Seems the jtag should be handy though.
[7:21] <GabrialDestruir> I'm sure as more and more people acquire their Pi's we'll eventually see more SoC stuff
[7:21] <DaQatz> I'm sure we will
[7:22] <nemo> hello from my Pi.
[7:22] <nemo> busy installing a ton of dev packages
[7:23] <nemo> glad I got an 8 gig SD
[7:23] <GabrialDestruir> I wanted to install ZNC on my Pi but I couldn't figure out the setup xD
[7:23] <nemo> OS is still only using 25MiB
[7:23] <DaQatz> znc is pretty easy
[7:23] <nemo> (of ram)
[7:23] <DaQatz> I installed it on my router
[7:24] <slide> anyone using Raspbmc and getting a kernel panic when using a usb keyboard?
[7:24] <nemo> btw, looks like gpm.conf has a bad default. should be /dev/input/mice these days
[7:24] <GabrialDestruir> ooo hey now there's an idea.
[7:24] <DaQatz> slide: I just got that with raspbian earlier today.
[7:24] <DaQatz> slide: Are you powering off of a usb port?
[7:24] <slide> it wont boot up at all with a keyboard and when i plug one in, instant kernel panic
[7:24] <slide> nope
[7:25] <slide> its a 1A mini plug like the iphone wall charger
[7:25] <DaQatz> What's the amps on your PSU?
[7:25] <DaQatz> Hmm
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[7:25] <DaQatz> Ok looks like it's not the power theory then.
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[7:25] <slide> hehe
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[7:26] <DaQatz> I have a keyboard that does the same.
[7:27] <egilhh> how much amp does the keyboard need? I have a G15 that requires 500mA, which is obviously too much for the Pi
[7:27] <slide> let me see
[7:27] <GabrialDestruir> Wow.... apparently the load average for my router is between 0 and 3%
[7:27] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[7:28] <D34TH> the load average for my server is .01
[7:28] <D34TH> D:
[7:28] <D34TH> oh wait
[7:28] <D34TH> :D
[7:28] <slide> doesnt say anywhere on the keyboard or box
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[7:32] <Demp> can anyone recommend a good 8gb sd card and wifi dongle that are compatible with the rasp pi?
[7:34] <SStrife> LOL
[7:34] <SStrife> i just noticed that my 2nd pi has the certification marks on it
[7:38] <D34TH> lol i just noticed they are giving out win7 for free
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[7:39] <GabrialDestruir> Win7 free?
[7:39] <GabrialDestruir> Where?
[7:41] <GabrialDestruir> Demp, I use an 8GB class 10 from kingston
[7:41] <GabrialDestruir> It's a 15 USD MicroSDHC card with adapter
[7:41] <Demp> err.. micro
[7:41] <Axman6> D34TH: 7 or 8?
[7:41] <D34TH> 7
[7:42] <GabrialDestruir> Again, where? and why?
[7:42] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[7:42] <D34TH> part of the technet subscription
[7:42] <GabrialDestruir> Ah
[7:42] <D34TH> what edition do you want
[7:42] <D34TH> i have the links
[7:43] <GabrialDestruir> Eh I was just curious, I already have one of those 48 in 1 versions
[7:46] <DaQatz> You know, after played with gentoo on a 233mhz system with 32 megs ram. (The system was fair at the time) Hardfloat gentoo on the pi really isn't that bad.
[7:46] <DaQatz> I remember taking 3 to 4 days to compile kde.
[7:46] <GabrialDestruir> You're compiling kde on the pi? >.>
[7:47] <DaQatz> No
[7:47] <GabrialDestruir> Oh cause I just have to imagine that would SUCK
[7:47] <DaQatz> KDE4 is not KDE3
[7:48] <GabrialDestruir> I mean the time it would take.
[7:48] <DaQatz> I suspect it would take MUCH longer then 3 to 4 days to do a full kde4 on the pi
[7:48] <GabrialDestruir> Yea lol
[7:50] <DaQatz> Should set up distcc + cross
[7:50] <DaQatz> If I play much with gentoo on pi
[7:50] <DaQatz> I already have some cross toolchains done.
[7:53] <DaQatz> I know! Lets compile libreoffice on the pi!
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[7:59] <Crenn-NAS> Hmmm.... I'm scary with a dremel apparently
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[8:07] <SStrife> you've always been able to download Windows 7 for free
[8:07] <SStrife> but you can't install it without buying a product key
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[8:08] <SStrife> but speaking of technet??? i need to renew mine soon
[8:09] <Crenn-NAS> SStrife: Of course you have been able to
[8:09] <Crenn-NAS> With just 1 IP >.>
[8:09] <Crenn-NAS> 194
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[8:09] <Crenn-NAS> 71
[8:09] <D34TH> has anyone tried the armhf of ubuntu yet?
[8:10] <Crenn-NAS> 107
[8:10] <SStrife> whats this IP for?
[8:10] <D34TH> porn
[8:10] <Crenn-NAS> 15
[8:10] <SStrife> downloading win7?
[8:10] <Crenn-NAS> SStrife: Ummm.... no comment
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[8:10] <SStrife> no, i meant legitimately
[8:11] <DaQatz> Skip windows 8, wait for 9
[8:11] <DaQatz> Windows 8 will suck.
[8:11] <D34TH> you can get it legitimatly
[8:11] <Crenn-NAS> DaQatz: Skip Windows, use linux now
[8:11] <D34TH> they give you the boxfiles
[8:11] <DaQatz> Crenn-NAS: Way ahead of you
[8:11] <Crenn-NAS> SStrife: Just a note, all my copies of windows are legitament ;P
[8:11] <SStrife> Use a mac, best of both worlds :)
[8:11] <Crenn-NAS> itsnotpiracy.com.au :D
[8:11] <Crenn-NAS> SStrife: I hate macs
[8:11] <SStrife> of course you do
[8:12] <DaQatz> I'm not overly fond of OSX's UI
[8:12] <Crenn-NAS> Although in my new job, I've touched more apple products than I thought possible
[8:12] <DaQatz> The underlying OS isn't bad.
[8:12] <Crenn-NAS> DaQatz: Because it's BSD
[8:12] <D34TH> crenn-nas digitalriver
[8:13] <D34TH> lol
[8:13] <SStrife> The UI is a matter of taste though, I don't think the FOSS community has nailed the art of the UI yet.
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[8:13] <Crenn-NAS> D34TH: What about it? It's legit ;P
[8:13] <D34TH> http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent.net/msvista/pub/X15-65733/X15-65733.iso
[8:13] <SStrife> it's not BSD, it's LIKE BSD though :)
[8:13] <D34TH> thats their cdn
[8:13] <D34TH> with the win7x64 iso
[8:13] <Crenn-NAS> Ah yes
[8:13] <DaQatz> SStrife: That is a "no f**k" item
[8:13] <Crenn-NAS> I've downloaded that
[8:13] <GabrialDestruir> WaEh
[8:14] <SStrife> rh?
[8:14] <Crenn-NAS> I've burnt it
[8:14] <SStrife> *eh?
[8:14] <GabrialDestruir> I'd rather go with a 48 in 1 CD
[8:14] <GabrialDestruir> You get everything, you just need a key
[8:14] <Crenn-NAS> I had to dig through thousands of emails to find the sodding key again
[8:14] <Crenn-NAS> GabrialDestruir: I think you mean DVD ;P
[8:14] <SStrife> that's one of the cool things about technet, you can always just log on and look up your keys :)
[8:14] <DaQatz> SStrife: Most of the FOSS ui's are made by programmers who do not know what the word "intuitive" means
[8:15] <Crenn-NAS> SStrife: Sadly never had technet
[8:15] <GabrialDestruir> DVD CD Optical Disk which contains data of great amounts? :p
[8:15] <fakker> isn't mvls more powerful than technet?
[8:15] <fakker> heh
[8:15] <fakker> in the sense of keys
[8:15] <SStrife> DaQatz: Exactly! Read you loud and clear! Testify! :D
[8:15] <D34TH> bbl
[8:15] <Crenn-NAS> fakker: Easier to buy keys you mean ;P
[8:15] <SStrife> mvls is quite a bit more expensive than Technet tho :)
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[8:15] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, I haven't paid for a key for windows for my desktop since early XP days
[8:15] <DaQatz> You say "intuitive", they hear logical.
[8:15] <fakker> you have to pay for it yourself?
[8:16] <fakker> :p
[8:16] <SStrife> i don't "work in IT" at my place of employment
[8:16] <SStrife> keeps me sane
[8:16] <carldani> Finally got my ordering invitation although I registered interest a few minutes after launch. "6 weeks until delivery", yeargh!
[8:16] <Crenn-NAS> brb, going on a vogage to the land of post office to retrive the fabel raspberry pi from the clutches of the evil delivery man
[8:17] <GabrialDestruir> With XP they had corporate, when I finally switched my desktop to 7 I just used a bootloader.
[8:17] <SStrife> my poor friends used those stupid BIOS overlay tricks to get Vista and 7
[8:17] <SStrife> they always got BSODs from "royal.sys" (or whatever its called)
[8:18] <DaQatz> I used a UEFI overlay trick to get OSX working in VirtualBox
[8:18] <SStrife> i just installed OSX into Parallels, for free, off the Internet
[8:18] <GabrialDestruir> I just installed a bootloader that allows me to select an OEM signature and BAM OEM version of Windows xD
[8:19] <Crenn-NAS> I just entered the key
[8:19] <SStrife> direct from Apple
[8:19] <Crenn-NAS> Easy ;P
[8:19] <SStrife> GabrialDestruir: those are the things they always had trouble with, they've probably gotten better since then
[8:19] <GabrialDestruir> I didn't feel like paying for ultimate... xD
[8:19] <SStrife> there's no reason to pay for ultimate
[8:19] <Crenn-NAS> Ultimate for 7 wasn't worth it
[8:19] <DaQatz> Hmm eix has been compiling for 30 minutes
[8:19] <SStrife> there's seldom need to even pay for Professional
[8:19] <GabrialDestruir> Which is why I didn't pay for it :p
[8:20] <SStrife> sigh
[8:20] <Crenn-NAS> SStrife: RDP
[8:20] <Crenn-NAS> I use it a lot
[8:20] <SStrife> yeah
[8:20] <DaQatz> Takes about 20 seconds on my desktop
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[8:20] <SStrife> thats probably the one thing that makes Pro worth it
[8:20] <GabrialDestruir> I bought 7 Pro for a couple Vista computers I had, but I got a discount cause of the whole student thing.
[8:20] <Crenn-NAS> That being said, I did modify HP to allow RDP
[8:20] <SStrife> but even then, if you are cash-strapped, you could use LogMeIn or VNC or whatever
[8:20] <SStrife> and yeah, it can be hacked in
[8:20] <DaQatz> Oddly, my pi is not has fast as my quad core system with 8 gigs of ram.
[8:21] <carldani> SStrife: there is an official way to install OSX in a virtual machine where the host is not OSX?
[8:21] <GabrialDestruir> ZWHUT?!?
[8:21] <Crenn-NAS> SStrife: Yeah, my parent's 'server' does that
[8:21] <GabrialDestruir> It isn't?!?
[8:21] <GabrialDestruir> Demand your money back DaQatz!
[8:21] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[8:21] <SStrife> carldani: Not if the host isn't OSX ;)
[8:21] <carldani> meh
[8:21] <DaQatz> IKR!
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[8:22] <GabrialDestruir> I thought Lion was suppose to have OSX Desktop Virtualization allowed.
[8:22] <GabrialDestruir> as opposed to just server
[8:22] <SStrife> it does
[8:22] <SStrife> i have an OSX VM within my OSX install
[8:22] <GabrialDestruir> Why would you want OSX VM on OSX? .-.
[8:22] <SStrife> just for testing out hacks and mods and stuff
[8:23] <SStrife> so I don't accidentally brick my main install
[8:23] <carldani> DaQatz: I'd pay for a realiably working OSX install in virtualbox on a Linux host.
[8:23] <carldani> DaQatz: with the original OSX kernel, mind you
[8:23] <GabrialDestruir> I wish I could get OSX working realiably in Virtualbox.
[8:23] <Crenn-NAS> GabrialDestruir: Why would you want Windows 8 VM on Windows 7 VM on a Windows XP machine?
[8:24] <DaQatz> carldani: Hmm mine works fine. Not sure if it's the original kernel.
[8:24] <GabrialDestruir> So I could run a Windows XP machine in it...
[8:24] <GabrialDestruir> obviously
[8:24] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[8:24] <SStrife> VMware is better for OSX
[8:24] <SStrife> and VMware Player is still a freebie
[8:24] <carldani> DaQatz: any pointers to a howto, and which OSX version did you use?
[8:24] <DaQatz> Depends A LOT on the systems cpu
[8:24] <arfonzo> has anyone moved /usr to another partition? (i.e., a usb disk)?
[8:25] <carldani> DaQatz: My employer is willing to spend money for a well-supported CPU
[8:25] <SStrife> just get them to cough up for some Mac Minis
[8:25] <DaQatz> Well my best luck has been with the core2 intels.
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[8:25] <GabrialDestruir> Eh.... I don't want to install a bunch of different virtualization software.... so if it doesn't work on Virtualbox I tend to avoid it xD
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[8:26] <carldani> SStrife: the rest of our infrastructure is purely Linux, so that won't fly
[8:26] <SStrife> that's a bit irrational
[8:26] <DaQatz> I would actually have to do some testing to give advice right now, did a lot attempts before I got ti right.
[8:26] <SStrife> you'll put it in an unsupported environment in a VM
[8:26] <DaQatz> So I have about a dozen disc images
[8:26] <GabrialDestruir> Tell them you need a mac so that you can dualboot linux
[8:26] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[8:26] <DaQatz> Not sure which I used
[8:26] <GabrialDestruir> or something
[8:27] <SStrife> how is that different to having a few low-power boxes, for whatever purpose you need it for?
[8:27] <SStrife> boxes that are supported by the manufacturer, are covered by warranty, are legal, etc
[8:28] <GabrialDestruir> Wait what? >.>
[8:28] <DaQatz> yay eix finished
[8:28] <DaQatz> Now to eix-update
[8:28] <SStrife> if i read this right, carldani's employer wants to virtualise some OSX installations
[8:29] <SStrife> for a home user, I get it
[8:29] <DaQatz> He needs linux as the base, and wants OSX virtual I think.
[8:29] <DaQatz> Can be done.
[8:30] <SStrife> Linux doesn't "need" to be the base, he wants it to be the base because he sounds like a purist :)
[8:30] <GabrialDestruir> OSX can work Virtualized.... but if it's not on a mac it tends to get whiney and start "breaking"
[8:30] <SStrife> It can, but it's not a good idea.
[8:30] <SStrife> especially in a business setting
[8:30] <DaQatz> GabrialDestruir: Never had mine break.
[8:31] <DaQatz> GabrialDestruir: Mind you all I do in it is compile stuff.
[8:31] <SStrife> virtualising OSX on non-Mac hardware is a legal grey-area too
[8:31] <SStrife> not something i'd want in my corporate environment
[8:31] <SStrife> especially with a litigation-happy player like Apple in the mix
[8:31] <mjr> Apple is a legal gray area indeed...
[8:31] <SStrife> (that goes for Microsoft and Oracle equally, mind you)
[8:31] <GabrialDestruir> Whenever I try OSX in Virtualbox it tends to break, whether it's random crashing, or w/e
[8:32] <mjr> wouldn't want it in my corporate environment
[8:34] <carldani> SStrife: the requirements are a Linux base (Debian, Ubuntu, I don't care), rackmountable hardware, and OSX in a virtual environment
[8:34] <SStrife> >??
[8:34] <SStrife> m,.?M
[8:35] <SStrife> unless you can find an old XServe machine
[8:35] <DaQatz> carldani: What does OSX have to do in this situation?
[8:35] <SStrife> there is no way to accomplish that legally
[8:35] <DaQatz> Because that does affect how plausible it is to run it in a VM
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[8:36] <carldani> SStrife: I'm not really worried about legal aspects, we have sorted out similar problems in the past. Usually throwing a boatload of money at the vendor works.
[8:36] <SStrife> lol
[8:36] <SStrife> \
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[8:36] <carldani> hey, for a million dollars or more some companies tend to get interested
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[8:37] <SStrife> if Apple were ever interested in writing drivers for random people's VMs
[8:37] <SStrife> someone else would have done it
[8:38] <SStrife> there are plenty of interested parties
[8:38] <GabrialDestruir> I personally think, that Apple should give up on this whole "Mac specific hardware only!"
[8:38] <SStrife> why?
[8:38] <SStrife> they don't sell the OS as a separate product
[8:38] <GabrialDestruir> They should.
[8:38] <SStrife> why? what's in it for them?
[8:39] <GabrialDestruir> More customers?
[8:39] <SStrife> a squillion crappy computers running their OS
[8:39] <SStrife> all being entitled to support
[8:40] <SStrife> must dash, children need collecting from their school type thing
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[8:40] <GabrialDestruir> The computers wouldn't necessarily be crappy, and I'm sure apple could get away with some sort of "If it's not on Mac Hardware we won't support it" crap like any company who rejects support if you root your device, or install a different OS on your computer.
[8:40] <DaQatz> GabrialDestruir: That quickly becomes a maintenance nitemare for them.
[8:40] <carldani> SStrife: I'm totally willing to buy Mac hardware for this, but I won't run the same OS in the VM as on the host. So if XServe hardware running Linux can use virtualbox/vmware/whatever to run OSX in a VM, that's OK with me.
[8:41] <GabrialDestruir> A few tweaks the make the software more compatible and it already runs on anything intel.
[8:41] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[8:42] <GabrialDestruir> Just look at all the hackintoshes
[8:42] <DaQatz> People who buy macs tend to just want it to work. Selling the OS without having full knowledge of the hardware it will be installed on. Would ruin their rep with the public. Because it would no longer be possible to have it "just work"
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[8:42] <GabrialDestruir> If people want something that "Just works" they can get OSX on their hardware.
[8:43] <GabrialDestruir> The software install by itself would be "Advance user" type stuff.
[8:43] <carldani> DaQatz: Once you finish testing, could you poke me with an URL having some info how you got OSX to run?
[8:43] <GabrialDestruir> and my nets gonna disconnect here soon, updating virtualbox
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[8:44] <DaQatz> carldani: I can do some testing(Test installing images etc..), and get back to you. May be a few days before I can though.
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[8:45] <carldani> DaQatz: I have time.
[8:45] <carldani> DaQatz: Thanks!
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[8:49] <GabrialDestruir_> That was annoying -.-
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[8:50] <DaQatz> GabrialDestruir: What was?
[8:51] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently my client for some reason kept trying to log in with the _ but I hadn't timed out yet.
[8:51] <DaQatz> Oi
[8:51] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[8:51] <DaQatz> No vers reply
[8:52] <DaQatz> Cell phone irc maybe?
[8:52] <DaQatz> \;)
[8:52] <GabrialDestruir> Try again
[8:52] <DaQatz> Non-cell phone irc
[8:53] <GabrialDestruir> lol I meant the request again, I have CTCP turned off usually xD
[8:53] <DaQatz> Ah Trillian, been a long time since I played with that program.
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[8:54] <DaQatz> Wow this stuff is strong.
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[8:54] <DaQatz> Drinking Rosehip hibiscus wine.
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[8:54] <GabrialDestruir> I went Pro like a couple years back give or take, like right before they switched over to this whole "subscription" business.
[8:55] * DaQatz nods.
[8:55] <GabrialDestruir> It was like 5 or 10 bucks or something, real cheap, so I figured why not xD
[8:56] <GabrialDestruir> Oh yay! I get a discounted upgrade if I ever decide to go with their life long pro package xD
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[8:57] <DaQatz> I tend to use irssi, weechat, and sometimes xchat.
[8:57] <DaQatz> Sometimes I have irc'ed with telnet
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[8:57] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, I use trillian cause it's there, otherwise I wouldn't even be on IRC, or I'd be logged in through webchat
[8:58] <DaQatz> Nods
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[9:01] <GabrialDestruir> The only thing that bugs me about Trillian is before Astra Plugins use to be all the rage.... Astra came about and most plugins haven't been touched in years.
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[9:03] <DaQatz> Yeah hype remnants.
[9:04] <GabrialDestruir> Oh well. lol
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[9:06] <GabrialDestruir> Just remembered I was gonna resize my raspbian partition xD
[9:06] <DaQatz> Using raspbian to do a chroot of gentoo
[9:06] <DaQatz> For the hardfloat
[9:07] <DaQatz> Cpu is more of bottle neck then the ram while compiling on the pi.
[9:08] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if the GPU would work any better for compiling, since it's suppose to be so much better and stuff.
[9:09] <DaQatz> gpu may be.
[9:09] <DaQatz> But it's a blackbox
[9:09] <GabrialDestruir> Unfortunately....
[9:10] * unknownbliss is now known as UKB|Away
[9:10] <GabrialDestruir> and the fact my laptop just turned on is probably not good.
[9:10] <freezer> can you guys recommend a very fast SD Card?
[9:10] <freezer> 512B, 4k writes etc
[9:11] <DaQatz> freezer: Even if the SD card is fast. The SD slot on the pi is slow.
[9:13] <GabrialDestruir> What's the rating for the Pi's slot?
[9:13] <GabrialDestruir> Class 6?
[9:14] <mjr> there are no class ratings for sd readers afaik
[9:14] <DaQatz> usb hard drives, they will save you.
[9:14] <GabrialDestruir> I'd have to imagine there's some sort of equal rating for slots....
[9:15] <GabrialDestruir> Something that says this reader can read/write at Class 10 speeds as opposed to just class 2 or something
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[9:18] <freezer> slow max speed
[9:18] <freezer> but little data should be fast?
[9:19] <DaQatz> Come again?
[9:19] <freezer> l8ter
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[9:21] <GabrialDestruir> wth... lol
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[9:40] <gordonDrogon> me /waves
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[9:53] <Crenn-NAS> I HAVE A PI!
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[9:54] <DaQatz> Grats
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[9:54] <gordonDrogon> PI pi pi :)
[9:54] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: That's after the Aussie aussie aussie ;P
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[9:55] <gordonDrogon> er ...
[9:56] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: I don't know of a british equivilent
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> are you thinking of the chant ?
[9:56] <Crenn-NAS> Yeah
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> Uggy, Uggy, Uggy ... Oy, Oy, Oy ...
[9:56] <Crenn-NAS> Uggy?
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> thats the brit equivalent...
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> Coung be Oggy ...
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oggy_Oggy_Oggy
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aussie_Aussie_Aussie,_Oi_Oi_Oi
[10:00] <Crenn-NAS> Fair enough
[10:00] <Crenn-NAS> Interesting, did wonder where it came from
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> another export to the colonies ;-)
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[10:01] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Allo! Fisix_AIX!
[10:01] <Fisix_AIX> Gadgetoid_mbp, LO
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[10:02] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Go back to your tea and crumpets ;P
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> it's not 11 O'Clock yet...
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> 2 hours to go :)
[10:04] <Crenn-NAS> Thought it was a bit 'later' there
[10:04] <Crenn-NAS> Oh well xD
[10:04] <Crenn-NAS> Where in the UK you located?
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> just gone 9am.
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> I'm in Devon - home of the cream tea.
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[10:05] <Adya> Good morning to everybody:)
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> What Ho!
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[10:06] <Crenn-NAS> Adya: Another Pi has landed!
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> got it booted up yet, Crenn-NAS ?
[10:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Adya: good morning!
[10:08] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Can't until tomorrow night
[10:08] <Crenn-NAS> 2 exams tomorrow :(
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[10:10] <Adya> Creen-NAS: Good luck;)
[10:11] <Gadgetoid_mbp> One driving theory test today :D
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> Oh... Not done one of those :)
[10:11] <Adya> Interesting thing: Now, when I got my pi, I start my morning with turning it on:)
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> They'd not been invented when I did my test...
[10:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: All right for some!
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I think mine were on all night ..
[10:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> They were a cakewalk back when I was 17, now they've blown them out of proportion
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, been driving for nearly 32 years now...
[10:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: They had cars 30 years ago? Great scott!
[10:13] <Crenn-NAS> Adya: Thanks, It's just Human Factors and Engineering Management xD
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> Haha... Sure. But we had to have a mand walk in-front with red flag ..
[10:13] <Adya> Yeah:)
[10:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> That'd probably work well these days
[10:16] <Adya> We've got Euro 2012 in Ukraine, so, we've passed all the exams at the beginning of May:)
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[10:16] <Adya> So we can just relax now:)
[10:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> How does one end a parenthesised statement with a smile emoticon
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[10:20] <Crenn-NAS> Gadgetoid_mbp: Like this printf("Ha!");
[10:21] <nid0> (like this:>)
[10:21] <Crenn-NAS> Or getchar(&meh);//
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[10:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I think the condensed version works well: ( like this :)
[10:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But what about: ( this? :) )
[10:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It's just wrong, wrong!
[10:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But then??? if it's a sad face!?
[10:22] <nid0> curlybrackets instead maybe?
[10:23] <Adya> {nice:3}
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[10:25] <Crenn-NAS> What language is that valid?
[10:26] <Adya> Papai's:)
[10:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Crenn-NAS: English
[10:26] <Adya> Haha:) joking
[10:27] <drazyl> Gadgetoid_mbp I agree, you drop the final )
[10:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But a sad face could be ( WHAT MADNESS IS THIS? :( )
[10:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Which turns it into a cookie monster!
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[10:29] <Adya> It's a coockie:)
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[10:30] <Adya> No, it's not a cookie:)
[10:30] <Adya> It's an orange:)
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[10:34] <SStrife> i wish schools could have flex time
[10:34] <SStrife> i wouldn't have to pay for after-school care
[10:34] <SStrife> life would be grand
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[10:37] <Adya> It's a pi! - No, it's not a pi! - It's a raspberry! - No, it's not a raspberry. - It's Eben, it's Eben! - No, it's not Eben, it's RaspberryPi, RaspberryPi:)
[10:37] <haltdef> what the hell
[10:37] <lennard> whatnow?
[10:37] <SStrife> i'm actually kind of sick of the name
[10:37] <SStrife> to be brutally honest
[10:38] <SStrife> not the product, just hearing/reading the name
[10:38] <SStrife> which is awkward, because i lurve my little green squares of potential
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[10:41] <Adya> I think Genius SlimStar 8000X is a very good wireless keyboard&mouse
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[10:51] <Adya> It's very useful to have tv that has hdmi and accepts picture-in-picture:)
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[10:52] <Adya> I can watch TV and programme on RasPi:)
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[10:55] <KrnlPanic> I can sit here and dream about what it's going to be like when I finally receive my Pi!
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[10:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> Oh my ... my RS Rpi just turned up
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo :)
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[10:58] <gordonDrogon> when did you get the order code?
[10:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> I'll just check
[10:59] <SStrife> congrats :-)
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> Got mine on the 17th... Just trying to compare dates..
[10:59] <SStrife> mine arrived on the 11th, got my code 6 days earlier
[10:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> may 16th I got the time to order email
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> ok day before me, so maybe tomorow :)
[11:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[11:00] <nid0> hm, mine came in around then as well
[11:00] <SStrife> fingers crossed :)
[11:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> this one has CE on it - my other does not
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> no idea what I'm gonig to do with it.
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> CE on the PBC?
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> *PCB
[11:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[11:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> let me see if I can make a couple of pictures
[11:01] <SStrife> my e14 one had all tye regulatory marks too
[11:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> I'll be back in a small while
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> my Farnell one - got a week ago has F-CC and CE on ut.
[11:01] <SStrife> where my rs one didnt
[11:01] * Crenn-NAS needs to resize and crop some pictures
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[11:01] <Snowl> hay
[11:01] <Crenn-NAS> Snowl: Pi
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> my ebay one (RS - 4 weeks ago) doesn't.
[11:01] <Snowl> i got ma pai today
[11:02] <Snowl> its running beautifully :)
[11:02] <SStrife> hay is what you feed the horses :-P
[11:02] <nid0> are all your ce marks etched onto the board?
[11:02] * Crenn-NAS ordered a RPi directly on 1st March at around 9AM UTC+10
[11:02] <Snowl> yes
[11:02] <nid0> hm, my farnell one has a CE mark but its a sticker
[11:02] <Crenn-NAS> nid0: No
[11:03] <SStrife> nid0, not etched but silkscreened
[11:03] <Snowl> oh lol no mine isnt etched
[11:03] <KrnlPanic> Ordered Mar 17.. still no ship date (Says June 18 on element14 site)
[11:03] <Crenn-NAS> KrnlPanic: Prod e14?
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[11:03] <gordonDrogon> looks like only the original one that didn't get it.
[11:04] <Crenn-NAS> I have both it on the silkscreen and a sticker
[11:04] <Crenn-NAS> And a FCC sticker
[11:04] <Crenn-NAS> Sorry, actually those aren't stickers >.>
[11:04] <SStrife> but the original ones came with some flyers with the reg. info on em
[11:04] <Crenn-NAS> Looked like it to me
[11:05] <Snowl> has anyone built mono for the pi (squeeze)
[11:05] <Adya> What is xinetd?
[11:05] <SStrife> the internet superdaemon :)
[11:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> both have CE on the bottom of the board
[11:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> the newer RS one has CE on the top also ...
[11:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> just doing images now
[11:06] <Adya> Thank you
[11:07] <Crenn-NAS> RaTTuS|BIG: Mine has CE on the top near the camera port
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[11:07] <Adya> If plug ethernet into raspi, will it work without no settings?
[11:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[11:08] <Adya> But if I want to set something?
[11:08] <Crenn-NAS> SSH
[11:09] <Milos> I keep getting option: option_instat_callback: -71 or similar errors when I plug in my 3G dongle into my RPI. I'm using an iPad charger so the power should be more than sufficient.
[11:09] <Milos> I tried different cables.
[11:09] <Milos> Same deal.
[11:09] <Milos> USB device keeps disconnecting, reconnecting.
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[11:09] <Milos> might just put gentoo on it
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[11:11] <SStrife> a 3G dongle will need quite a bit of juice
[11:11] <SStrife> RPi alone might run well of your iPad charger
[11:11] <SStrife> but RPi + 3G dongle might be too much
[11:11] <SStrife> try sticking the 3G dongle into a powered hub
[11:12] <Milos> that would be mildly disappointing. I will try that though.
[11:12] <Milos> when I find a powered hub.
[11:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Assuming the RPi can even power the 3G dongle, that is
[11:13] <Adya> Can you guess me a book about python for beginners?
[11:13] <mjr> oh it's highly likely it can't
[11:13] <Milos> yes, it can power it.
[11:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> damit the images are so fuzzy ,,,
[11:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> will ahve to do them again
[11:14] <mjr> the charger, sure, but the pi, no
[11:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I swear socks don't have holes in until I put them on, graahh!
[11:14] <mjr> you can only power low-power usb devices through the pi
[11:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ~150mA if the forum rabble is correct
[11:14] <SStrife> http://i.imgur.com/7zlhH.jpg
[11:15] <Milos> I don't expect 3G dongles to be eating power.
[11:15] <nid0> why not?
[11:15] <SStrife> http://i.imgur.com/p8cbp.jpg
[11:15] <SStrife> just missing underneath the launch pi
[11:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> SStrife that is exactly the same as I have
[11:15] * oberling_ is now known as oberling
[11:15] <mjr> 3g dongles that have to modulate a complex signal and send it to kilometers away?
[11:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> SStrife: Ooo, spot the difference
[11:15] <Adya> It's like a mobile phone
[11:15] <nid0> SStrife: yea my ce mark's not like that, its clearly just a sticker on mine
[11:15] <Milos> mjr, yes.
[11:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> Sl / CE
[11:15] <mjr> yeah, those. They do need power.
[11:17] <SStrife> i thought i uploaded a SxS image of the underneaths
[11:17] <mjr> You might be able to kludge up some power bypass cable that feeds the dongle as well directly from the power source, having only the data lines connected to the Pi, if you really want to do without a hub. Other than that, a hub it is.
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[11:19] <Adya> Keep trying, so:)
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[11:20] <Adya> I hate putting smilies everywhere, but I'm doing it:)
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[11:20] <Adya> Sh?t, once more:(
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[11:22] <SStrife> http://i.imgur.com/i5fjI.jpg
[11:23] <SStrife> the undersides, ele14 left (later delivery), RS right (earlier delivery)
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[11:23] <haltdef> your keyboard is hairy
[11:24] <SStrife> it hasn't been cleaned..........ever i suppose...
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[11:24] <haltdef> ew.
[11:24] <SStrife> yeah
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[11:24] <SStrife> keep THAT picture in your head :)
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[11:25] <KrnlPanic> Crenn-NAS: Not sure what you mean?
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[11:26] <Crenn-NAS> KrnlPanic: What about?
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[11:27] <nid0> http://i.imgur.com/rrvpU.jpg < the super-swanky CE sticker on mine :<
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[11:28] <KrnlPanic> Crenn-NAS: Sorry, in response to Prod e14? Comment when I said that I ordered my Pi on Mar 17 and element14 site says estimated ship date June 18 (Still says back ordered on their site)
[11:28] <Habbie> nid0, is that a HP usb cable? :)
[11:28] <Adya> My pi looks like an octopus behind my tv:) i.imm.io/r5jI
[11:28] <nid0> Habbie yeah, thats my touchpad charger
[11:28] <Habbie> nid0, familiar - i'm using the touchpad charger too :)
[11:28] <nid0> (my touchpad gets charged from its dock so the cable is now my pi lead)
[11:28] <Habbie> Adya, whatever that url is, it doesn't work
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> avalable power per port is more like 140mA ...
[11:28] <Crenn-NAS> KrnlPanic: Prod e14 to get a better answer
[11:29] <Adya> i.imm.io/r5jI.jpeg
[11:29] <Adya> That it is:)
[11:29] <Ben64> blurry
[11:29] <Adya> Quality is very low:)
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> a 3G modem can in theory transmit at up to 4 watts ERP - which doesn't neccessarily convert to 4 watts of electrical power, however it might still need more than a Pi can supply.
[11:30] <Adya> Funny, yeah?
[11:30] <arfonzo> when cross-compiling for alarm, should we use arm5 or v7 as target platform?
[11:31] <arfonzo> I have read that it's all v5
[11:31] <KrnlPanic> Crenn-NAS: I still don't understand (I'm sorry if I'm frustrating you), What is 'Prod'?
[11:31] <SStrife> prod, or poke
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> think cattle prod...
[11:32] <zarac> Dudes and dudettes! There's a proposal for a RbPi on stackexchange. Commit to make it happen. http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/37041/raspberry-pi
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> right. the local farmers market calls...
[11:32] <Ben64> zarac: explain
[11:33] <zarac> Ben64: What do you want explained? : )
[11:33] <Crenn-NAS> KrnlPanic: To contact, to poke, to annoy, to badger
[11:33] <Ben64> zarac: the hell that means
[11:33] <zarac> Ben64: Dudes?
[11:34] <zarac> Ben64: or dudettes?
[11:34] <zarac> or proposal?
[11:34] <KrnlPanic> Crenn-NAS: Oh, like I just did to you?.. ;) Thank you much for your help..
[11:34] <Adya> You're dude:)
[11:34] <Ben64> the link shows nothing
[11:34] <SStrife> someone wants to marry it
[11:34] <Crenn-NAS> KrnlPanic: HAven't helped much
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[11:35] <zarac> Ben64: Perhaps something is wrong with your browser. The url works just fine for me.
[11:35] <Ben64> zarac: no the url works fine, but theres no substance on the page, just people talking about nothing
[11:36] <nid0> zarac you're missing the point, you're assuming everyone here knows what stackexchange is and what the area51 section of the site is, and generally what the hell the proposal's about
[11:36] <Crenn-NAS> What's the number on the sticker at the bottom of the board?
[11:36] <nid0> because the page itself gives none of that info
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[11:36] <zarac> nid0: No, i am assuming he reads what is on the page. ; )
[11:36] <Ben64> there is nothing on the page to read :|
[11:36] <zarac> Ben64: Taken from the middle of that page. "Proposed Q&A site for users and developers of hardware and software for Raspberry Pi."
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[11:37] <Ben64> the proposal is to create a message board?
[11:37] <Ben64> how lame
[11:37] <SStrife> so... like the official forums? and this IRC channel? and #raspberrypi-dev ?
[11:37] <zarac> Ben64: In case you don't know what Q&A means, questions and answers. (like a forum)
[11:37] <Ben64> why even post that
[11:37] <Ben64> theres tons of places better than that already
[11:37] <SStrife> everybody wants to set up their own Pi community site
[11:37] <Ben64> here, r-pi forums, r/raspberrypi
[11:37] <SStrife> we'll end up like Android
[11:37] <Ben64> its stupid
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[11:38] <zarac> Ben64: It's pretty ignorant to that something you don't understand is stupid.
[11:38] <Ben64> www.raspberry-pi-info-talking.tk/users/~rpi/stacksexchange/area51/black/mailbox/splash.shtml
[11:39] <Ben64> this should be the new chat site!
[11:39] <Ben64> derp
[11:39] <zarac> Also, how can you say things are better than something you don't know what it is?
[11:39] <Ben64> its mind bogglingly daft
[11:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://imgur.com/a/3wMKB
[11:40] <zarac> Ben64: OK, then don't participate. You don't have to act a child... :&
[11:40] <Ben64> why would anyone go to that long, stupid url instead of the better places that already exist
[11:40] <megaproxy> looool
[11:40] <megaproxy> its a .tk address
[11:40] <zarac> Ben64: Once again. How can you say they are better if you don't even know what this is? : )
[11:41] <Ben64> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/
[11:41] <Ben64> very easy
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[11:41] <zarac> And why are we comparing anyway?
[11:41] <zarac> Ben64: Have you heard of stackoverflow.com ?
[11:41] <Ben64> because its stupid
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[11:42] <arfonzo> Egads, why is everyone always arguing in this channel?
[11:42] <zarac> Ben64: Stop the drama, please.
[11:43] <Ben64> No, you.
[11:43] <BlueberryPi> Is it possible to boot off a USB flash and nothing else
[11:43] <Ben64> BlueberryPi: no
[11:43] <BlueberryPi> k
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[11:43] * BlueberryPi twiddles thumbs until his SD cards arrive
[11:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> BlueberryPi: aww, harsh! Pi but no SD?
[11:44] <BlueberryPi> Ja
[11:44] <SStrife> yeah, unfortunately the boot process requires a handful of files to be on the SD card
[11:44] <SStrife> kernel.bin start.elf cmdline.txt
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[11:44] <Ben64> you could pass it off to the usb afterwards, but yeah, you do need sd
[11:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> On the plus side, if you don't break the SD card slot somehow??? it's unbrickable!
[11:45] <SStrife> exactly
[11:45] <SStrife> also that :)
[11:45] <arfonzo> has anyone done this, btw, of using it "mostly" from usb disk?
[11:45] <cri> is there a windows installer for raspbmc please
[11:45] <nid0> yes
[11:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> arfonzo: yup
[11:45] <SStrife> LOL
[11:45] <nid0> plenty of people have done usb and nfs roots
[11:45] <arfonzo> I am curious as to the performance improvements people have wrote about
[11:45] <arfonzo> is there a substantial difference?
[11:45] <nid0> i'm still trying to get iscsi root going, its much less straightforward though
[11:46] <SStrife> arfonzo: There absolutely is
[11:46] <nid0> yes, io throughput is much higher
[11:46] <SStrife> throughput is higher, random writes are faster
[11:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hard disk is the way to go if you're not moving your Pi about often
[11:46] <arfonzo> is there some guidance for arch users to do this?
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[11:46] <freezer> hi
[11:46] <Crenn-NAS> http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/crenn/Projects/RaspPi/120531/DSCF1703.jpg :D
[11:46] <SStrife> SD cards are just generally rotten for anything other than storing photos on a camera
[11:46] <Ben64> Dear Customer, Thank you for purchasing your Raspberry Pi from Farnell element 14. I regret to inform you that the type of card you submitted for payment has declined. If you wish to proceed with your order using an alternative payment method, please would you kindly call 08447 111150 quoting your Farnell reference number and an alternative credit card payment type to enable us to maintain your place in the queue and complete your tr
[11:46] <Ben64> ansaction.
[11:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> If you do move your Pi about often, you'll appreciate my boot script and ShiftPlusOne's awesome bootloader
[11:47] <Ben64> seems like a scam?
[11:47] <megaproxy> im sure you could hack a sd card
[11:47] <megaproxy> so the connectors are wired to a SSD
[11:47] <freezer> which sd card would you recommend?
[11:47] <cri> is there a windows installer for raspbmc please
[11:47] <SStrife> it's not about the speed of the flash memory, megaproxy
[11:47] <nid0> megaproxy the problem isnt the card its the interface
[11:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Ben64: call them up, quote your reference number and ask them to confirm your name
[11:47] <megaproxy> SStrife, well ssd would be fast, big etc
[11:47] <nid0> having an ssd on the same interface would be equally slow
[11:47] <megaproxy> hm
[11:47] * megaproxy hasnt got his pi yet
[11:47] <Ben64> Gadgetoid_mbp: i don't even know how to call that number, heh
[11:47] <megaproxy> so im all theory
[11:48] <SStrife> SSDs are only fast because they're on SATA
[11:48] <SStrife> or USB
[11:48] <megaproxy> thats true
[11:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> +44 instead of 0 before it, for starters
[11:48] <megaproxy> why didnt they put a sata port on :(
[11:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> If you're outside the UK
[11:48] <Ben64> and one of my my pi's arrives on friday
[11:48] <SStrife> so they don't have the horrible block access limitations of SD cards
[11:48] <freezer> i got my pi yesterday :)
[11:48] <Ben64> Tracking Number: 1ZX************** Shipper: NEWARK
[11:48] <megaproxy> i ordered ?200 worth of microphones?
[11:48] * megaproxy feels special
[11:48] <SStrife> for instance, writing to an SD card means reading out 128KB, changing the relevant bits, and writing 128KB back.
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[11:49] <SStrife> even if you only change 1 byte
[11:49] <Milos> So wait, why are USB devices limited to 100-150mA? If the source has the potential to provide enough current, why limit it?
[11:49] <freezer> i will probably go to some big electronic store and buy an SDHC card
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[11:49] <freezer> but which one!?
[11:49] <nid0> Milos probably because it means uprating the power circuitry throughout the entire device
[11:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I don't think the Pi was intended for uses that require more disk throughput than an SD card can provide, so they wouldn't raise the cost by including components to achieve that
[11:49] <SStrife> What nid0 said
[11:49] <Milos> nid0, hmm.. ok
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[11:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> That's why we hacky hacky!
[11:50] <arfonzo> er, so, no guides/posts about moving most of the FS off for arch users?
[11:50] <SStrife> If they just let you pass any amount of current through Pi, you'd risk melting the traces
[11:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> People seem to forget that the Pi is freakin' $25 :D
[11:50] <Milos> it would just be so much easier if it ahdered to USB spec, 500mA per port
[11:50] <Milos> this just means I can't use anything with it
[11:50] <Milos> a powered hub means I need a wall socket
[11:50] <SStrife> powered hub
[11:50] <Milos> that wasn't the point of getting one
[11:50] <Milos> a/one/rpi/
[11:50] <SStrife> they did adhere to spec
[11:51] <nid0> you need a wall socket anyway
[11:51] <Milos> "up to"
[11:51] <SStrife> RPi runs off a USB power source
[11:51] <mjr> what SStrife said
[11:51] <nid0> or are you powering the pi from magic?
[11:51] <mjr> USB spec requires 100 mA per port
[11:51] <Milos> nid0, no I have a 16000mAh battery
[11:51] <megaproxy> thats how im powering mine
[11:51] <megaproxy> i pee on my pi
[11:51] <megaproxy> and it converts it
[11:51] <mjr> so the Pi complies quite nicely
[11:51] <megaproxy> its magic see
[11:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> What's stpopping you powering a powered hub with a battery? Or just hacking together a power feed cable
[11:51] <BlueberryPi> RaspberryPee
[11:51] <nid0> so power the hub from that battery
[11:51] <megaproxy> haha
[11:51] <nid0> and power the pi from the hub
[11:51] <Milos> nid0, how? The battery has 5 USB ports that each can supply 2A.
[11:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> get a good Hub i.e. more than 2000mA and power the Rpi from that as well as your perifewrals
[11:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I've run a powered hub on a portable charger battery, and hooked a keyboard/mouse up to that to use with a Nokia N810 for luls
[11:51] <Milos> I want a hub that itself feeds from another USB port.
[11:51] <Milos> That would work for me.
[11:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm not sure where the need for USB peripherals and battery powered Pi meet??? but I guess 3G is a pretty good example
[11:53] <SStrife> Milos, they have those, they're called unpowered hubs :)
[11:53] <Milos> What?
[11:53] <Milos> I said powered.
[11:54] <SStrife> hubs that feed purely off USB ports
[11:54] <nid0> then you described unpowered.
[11:54] <Milos> Noooooo.
[11:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hubs that feel off their *own* USB ports ;)
[11:54] <nid0> powered = gets power from a socket. unpowered = gets power from a usb port
[11:54] <SStrife> <+Milos> I want a hub that itself feeds from another USB port.
[11:54] <nid0> you want the latter.
[11:54] <Milos> I need a 4-port USB hub that instead of a 5V slot that goes into the wall has a USB cable that I can plug into something that can supply 2A via USB.
[11:54] <nid0> yes
[11:54] <Milos> YEs, "Another" USB port.
[11:54] <Milos> Not "the" USB port.
[11:54] <nid0> thats an unpowered hub
[11:54] <Milos> No it's clearly powered.
[11:55] <SStrife> That would be out-of-spec
[11:55] <SStrife> USB2 ports are only supposed to output 500mA
[11:55] <SStrife> max
[11:55] <Milos> Well then, let's complain to apple
[11:55] <Snowl> how do i boot up ldxe and setup vnc without actually having access to the device?
[11:55] <SStrife> chargers aren't USB hosts.
[11:55] <Milos> Right, and I have a charger that is "powering" my USB hub.
[11:56] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Errr Snowl???. telepathy!? Or do you mean via SSH
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[11:56] <Snowl> ssh
[11:56] <SStrife> so, in a roundabout way, you're saying you want a powered hub with a USB power inlet instead of a barrel plug
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[11:56] <SStrife> the power source being arbitrary
[11:56] <SStrife> but you can use a USB cable
[11:57] <BlueberryPi> How is the compatibility with class 6 SD cards?
[11:57] <Milos> ss yeah that's what I need
[11:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Snowl: this guide is for OpenBox, but it may help: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/15194/howto-running-a-vnc-server-on-headlesscrunchbang-system/
[11:57] <nid0> BlueberryPi, most should work fine
[11:57] <SStrife> Milos, grab your soldering iron! :)
[11:57] <mjr> a small adapter cable for the power is pretty easy to make
[11:57] <Milos> SStrife, :D
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[11:57] <Adya> Where's debian's autostart file?
[11:57] <mjr> SStrife, ???
[11:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> You would have to change your call to Xvfb to use whatever the lxde startup script is
[11:58] <Adya> What is xvfb?
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[11:58] <Adya> I want autostart alsa drivers.
[11:58] <Adya> I want them run on startup
[11:59] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Snowl: Probably /usr/bin/startlxde
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[12:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Adya: (wiki'd) Xvfb or X virtual framebuffer is an X11 server that performs all graphical operations in memory, not showing any screen output.
[12:00] <Snowl> Gadgetoid_mbp: found one http://myraspberrypiexperience.blogspot.com.au/p/setting-up-vnc.html
[12:00] <Snowl> and it works beautifully :D
[12:01] <Viperfang> Adya: just add a line to /etc/modules
[12:01] <shirro> Adya: add snd_bcm2835 to /etc/modules to get sound driver load at start
[12:01] <Viperfang> thanks shirro, the name of the module escaped me
[12:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> mv snd_bc2835.ko make_sound_work.ko && depmod ?
[12:07] <Adya> Not modprobe, but only snd_bcm2835?
[12:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Snowl: That's a good guide
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[12:07] <Adya> So?
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[12:09] <Adya> Do I need to enter modprobe?
[12:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> My Pi still wont use swap, did you have any luck gordonDrogon?
[12:10] <Crenn-NAS> Hey shirro
[12:10] <cri> what power source should i be using
[12:10] <cri> have tried a htc charger
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[12:10] <Habbie> cri, did the htc charger not work?
[12:11] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I have X running, with lxde and VNC, plus all the stuff I had before which left ~14mb free??? and I have 12mb free??? wat
[12:11] <Crenn-NAS> cri: USB hub
[12:11] <cri> output 5v
[12:11] <Habbie> Gadgetoid_mbp, if you have memory free, why would you want it to use swap?
[12:11] <shirro> Crenn-NAS: you called?
[12:11] <cri> yeah no display
[12:11] <Habbie> cri, did you insert an SD card? what are the LEDs saying?
[12:11] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Habbie: I'd expect it to find something idle to swap out
[12:11] <cri> only light that comes on on the board is pwr
[12:11] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: Not really, but hello ;P
[12:12] <cri> yes sd card is in
[12:12] <nid0> no flashy green light and no display of any kind?
[12:12] <Snowl> sd card isnt created correctly
[12:12] <Snowl> if OK doesnt come on within 10-20 seconds
[12:12] <cri> ok i downloaded the raspbmc image
[12:13] <cri> and loaded it onto the card with usb image tool
[12:14] <nid0> if you have another power cord handy try that, but a non aftermarket phone charger should generally be plenty powerful enough so its likely to be the sd image
[12:15] <cri> so no display at all if sd card not in at all
[12:15] <Habbie> cri, correct
[12:15] <Habbie> cri, without SD, there is no firmware, and nothing to drive the screen
[12:15] <Habbie> cri, unlike with a PC
[12:15] <cri> ok thanks
[12:15] <cri> sd is a sandisk SDHC 8gb
[12:15] <cri> class 4 i think
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[12:16] <cri> that one should be ok to use?
[12:17] <Habbie> probably
[12:17] <Habbie> i suggest trying another image to see if that helps
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[12:19] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, Hi.. IF you want to firce it to swap, just write a program :)
[12:20] <cri> yeah just about to try the debian one from the foundation site with the installer they suggest
[12:20] <cri> cheers
[12:20] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Someone set us up the swap, make your time!
[12:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Perhaps I should just have more faith in linux to do the right thing
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, Fetch http://unicorn.drogon.net/qq.c and compile & run it - that'll make it swap :)
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> you should.
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[12:22] * gordonDrogon runs it on a freshly booted Pi...
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> it starts to swap at about the 200MB mark..
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> and now it's more or less stopped as it's swapping like a swappy thing :)
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> 203MB.
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> I think it may actually have crashed...
[12:25] * gordonDrogon waits.
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> no, it's going. got to 325MB before it died.
[12:25] * gordonDrogon runs it again.
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> ok. 205 and it's swapping.
[12:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: You just had to know, didn't you? :D
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> I'm now running top - this Pi has 128MB of swap in a swapfile.
[12:26] <Milos> Is it possible to disable HDMI/memory sharing in general so I can get my 256MB
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> well you did ask...
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[12:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> True, it concerns me too as I'm trying to keep my Pi high-availability
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> Milos, not that I'm aware of - the best is the 224MB startup..
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[12:26] <Milos> :S
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> Kb Mem: 222520 total, 220608 used, 1912 free, 1168 buffers
[12:26] <Milos> 70MB for HDMI is quite a bit consdering I don't need the media.
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> Kb Swap: 131068 total, 4448 used, 126620 free, 5412 cached
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> 1248 gordon 20 0 201m 200m 348 D 27.6 92.2 0:00.84 qq
[12:26] <Milos> :(
[12:26] <SStrife> where would it keep the gramebuffer?
[12:27] <Milos> I don't need it.
[12:27] <ReggieUK> in a small box
[12:27] <SStrife> you use the console?
[12:27] <Milos> Yep.
[12:27] <Milos> SSH only
[12:27] <SStrife> ah
[12:27] <Milos> not even "console" as such
[12:27] <SStrife> so not the console :P
[12:27] <Milos> indeed.
[12:27] <Milos> terminal
[12:27] <SStrife> but nah, i don't think you can totally disable the onboard video
[12:27] <Milos> hmmm that's ok
[12:28] <Milos> I mean it's a great device even with 186MB RAM
[12:28] <Milos> which is how much I can use
[12:28] <Milos> not sure how gordonDrogon is seeing more?
[12:28] <nid0> put it to the 224 profile
[12:28] <Milos> how does one do that?
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> I am running the 224 startup and I'm using some swap.
[12:28] <SStrife> you just have to swap around the start_xxx.elf files on the SD card
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> cd /boot
[12:28] <Milos> Oh cool.
[12:28] <Milos> I put Gentoo on mine.
[12:28] <SStrife> or whatever they're called
[12:28] <Milos> Woop
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[12:29] <nid0> cp /boot/arm224_start.elf /boot/start.elf
[12:29] <nid0> iirc
[12:29] <Milos> bingo
[12:29] <Milos> so what, can't you hack that to make it reserve EVEN less?
[12:29] * gordonDrogon was trying to remember the files, but I don't have Pi I could type on...
[12:29] <Milos> I'm sure someone will find a way to do that eventually
[12:29] <Milos> so there are only 3 right
[12:30] <Milos> cp is fine to overwrite current start.elf file?
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> oom killed it at 324 Killed
[12:30] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Oh my??? years of CSS and I've only just found out about: list-style-type:binary
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> Milos, yes, use cp and not mv.
[12:30] <Milos> cool
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[12:30] <nid0> there are copies of all 3 default split files there so you can just re-replace it again if you need to change split
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> so if you really try hard enough, you can get a program to use swap, but boy is it slow when it's doing so.
[12:31] <cri> ok got further that time
[12:31] <cri> now stuck on the logon screen
[12:31] <cri> have tried pi as username and raspberry as password
[12:31] <jinzo> try to hit z instead of y on your keyboard.
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[12:33] <duchenp28> greetings
[12:33] <cri> no luck
[12:33] <Milos> well, that killed it
[12:33] <Milos> strange
[12:34] <cri> i tried to type raspberry in as the username just to make sure it was getting each keystroke and it came up fine
[12:35] <nid0> Milos: killed it how exactly?
[12:35] <Milos> it won't boot with the new start.elf file
[12:35] <Milos> strange
[12:35] <cri> has that username and password changed since the wikki was created for raspbmc
[12:35] <nid0> where does it get to?
[12:35] <Milos> nowhere
[12:35] <Milos> no OK light
[12:36] <Milos> which elf was original?
[12:36] <nid0> 192
[12:36] <Elspuddy-pi> what the name for the google browser ? i cant seem to find it with apt-cache search
[12:36] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I wonder if kexec and switch_root could be used to boot the Pi from a CDROM
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[12:36] <duchenp28> Elspuddy-pi: chrome
[12:37] <Elspuddy-pi> thanks duchenp28
[12:37] <Milos> nid0, works now....... WTF
[12:37] <Milos> is 224 like, deadly
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[12:37] <duchenp28> Gadgetoid_mbp: the rpi doesn't have a cd drive
[12:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> duchenp28: mine does, what model did you get?
[12:38] <duchenp28> b
[12:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Ah, you should have waited!
[12:38] <duchenp28> bugger
[12:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Mine's a Dell Dimension 100
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[12:39] <duchenp28> your raspberry pi is a dell?
[12:39] <cri> any other ideas for the password for raspbmc please?
[12:39] <nid0> Milos give it another go maybe, other than the memory split the elf's are no different to each other, I just tested my pi with its spare sd card with a default image on it, swapped elf to 228 and it restarted perfectly fine
[12:39] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Got to say, it looks different from the pictures, but it has the same RAM/CPU so I guess it's just the way RS did their population?
[12:39] <nid0> 224*
[12:40] <Milos> nid0, here goes. yup works! I must have done something silly, maybe I typoed elf
[12:40] <SStrife> nfs root..... y u no work
[12:40] <duchenp28> cri: raspbmc doesn't have a root account
[12:40] <Milos> nid0, I don't remember seeing any typos when I reset it back to 192. oh well
[12:41] <duchenp28> Gadgetoid_mbp: Maybe it's pirated
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[12:41] <cri> trying with the username pi
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[12:41] <cri> as per the wikki
[12:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> duchenp28: I thought people only pirated worthless junk with no intrinsic value, like software and movies
[12:42] <SStrife> success!
[12:42] <Habbie> why would you want something that is junk? even if you can get (pirate) it for free?
[12:42] <Milos> nid0, thanks for that memory tip
[12:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Habbie: I don't know??? some people are hoarders
[12:43] <Habbie> true
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[12:43] <duchenp28_> cri: The default username is pi and the default password is raspberry.
[12:43] <mjr> sometimes there's some value in something being total rubbish ;]
[12:43] <SStrife> apparently, having S12networking in /etc/rcS.d breaks the boot process
[12:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> mjr: Yeah, a certain film director seems to have nailed that market :D
[12:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Anyone who's watched Battle *for* Los Angeles all the way through should at least get a commendation or medal or something
[12:44] <duchenp28_> Gadgetoid_mbp: Piracy is just copying without permission of the IP holder. You could download a car if you really wanted to.
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[12:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> duchenp28_: how did those Somalians get internet access!?
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[12:46] <mjr> Somebody smuggled Internet to Africa! They might develop! :(
[12:46] <SStrife> nah
[12:46] <SStrife> too much aids
[12:46] <SStrife> keeps downward pressure on population
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[12:46] <duchenp28_> Gadgetoid_mbp: Most somalian pirates were fishermen till commercial outfits outfished their waters and dumped waste.
[12:46] <SStrife> yo ho ho
[12:47] <mjr> Oh yeah, especially what with it being evil to make cheap HIV medication. Hey, maybe _that's_ why piracy is so big there.
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[12:50] <cri> +duchenp28_: yeah tried pi as username and password as raspberry
[12:51] <duchenp28> try harder
[12:52] <SStrife> lol
[12:52] <cri> the word harder or u mean to put more effort in ;-)
[12:52] <duchenp28> both?
[12:52] <SStrife> be nice
[12:53] <cri> i tried typing the password in for the username just to make sure the keypresses were coming out ok
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[13:02] <Elspuddy-pi> how do i exetend the / partsion of my sd card, gparted says i still got 5 gig left of this 8 gig card
[13:02] <SStrife> you need to repartition it in another computer
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> you can do it live, on the Pi.
[13:03] <Eigen> man
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[13:06] <duchenp28> gordonDrogon: are you the purple man in the header?
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> duchenp28, er, that's me in the photo, yes.
[13:06] <SStrife> the last time i tried that exact method
[13:07] <SStrife> it dummy spat at the next boot
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> it's tried and tested :)
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> the number that fdisk prompts you with is wrong though - it's trying to do some rounding that wasn't applied to the initial partition of the sdcard.
[13:09] <SStrife> hmm, no it wasn't that
[13:09] <SStrife> maybe i'd changed the units
[13:09] <SStrife> or something
[13:09] <SStrife> i dunno, i have nfsroot now
[13:09] <SStrife> :)
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[13:11] <BenO> Someone on my blog has had a cunning idea to use a serial mouse with the Pi, and plug it into the UART
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[13:12] <BenO> A good way to free up a USB port, if you've got the mouse that is...
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> mouse needs power too - usually 5V, so might be a bit tricky. good idea though.
[13:12] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Yeah, it will be interesting to see how much success he has
[13:12] <cri> how do i format the sd card back to 8gb after it has been partioned and now only formats to 64mb
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[13:13] <gordonDrogon> cri probably best to do it on another computer..
[13:13] <mjr> Heh. Actually, a serial mouse might not want to work with the low-voltage serial that Pi has.
[13:13] <SStrife> argh, my USB Wireless mouse is dead
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[13:13] * BenO tosses SStrife a serial mouse
[13:14] <SStrife> thanks, but I have a pile of those
[13:14] <cri> yep back in the win7 computer
[13:14] * SStrife tosses it back
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> I had weird issies wit a usb wireless mouse on the Pi - it kept losing registration with the pickup - but was fine on my laptops...
[13:14] <SStrife> this one was working fine
[13:14] <BenO> mjr, true :)
[13:14] <SStrife> but now, whenever I plug it in, it kills the network
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> cri I'd just dump the original image back into it, then re-partition it on the Pi.
[13:14] <SStrife> networking*
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[13:14] <gordonDrogon> the ethernet on the Pi is a USB ethernet adapeter...
[13:14] <BenO> SStrife, now that is interesting.
[13:15] <SStrife> cri, also, after you've written the image to the SD card, it will only show up in Windows as a small ~64MB card
[13:15] <SStrife> the rest is now linux partitioned, windows can't see it :)
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[13:15] <BenO> SStrife, is there a short on the mouse? (does it work in another machine) is it a fancy-pants one, with colours and lights?
[13:15] <SStrife> nah, it's a horribly cheap and nasty cordless mouse
[13:15] <Snowl> when i was using my g15 as a keyboard on my mouse i had to disable lights for it to work, lol
[13:15] <Snowl> on my pi*
[13:15] <SStrife> i think that probably the transciever got damaged in my bag or something
[13:16] <SStrife> i'm not too concerned though, it was free, so eh.
[13:16] <BenO> SStrife, a bit of wire/detrius bridging the pins ?
[13:16] <nid0> i've seen some wierd one-thing-kills-another behavior occasionally too, writing a new ext3 filesystem via iscsi from my pi kills its wireless adaptor after about 5 secs
[13:16] <SStrife> easy come, easy go
[13:16] <nid0> but doing it wired, no problem
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[13:16] <Elspuddy-pi> weird, just did start autoremove command, my term window started to act like some one was hitting return all the time, the pi rebooted it self, then started to get usb errors on boot
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[13:19] <SStrife> BenO: Nah, nothing like that
[13:19] <SStrife> and the thing works fine in my desktop computer
[13:19] <SStrife> and it actually tracks pretty well for a $0 cordless mouse
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, you got a free Pi? Lucky...
[13:21] <BenO> SStrife, wonder what the current draw on that is then!
[13:21] <nid0> free mouse..
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[13:21] <gordonDrogon> Elspuddy-pi, others have seen issues with USB keyboards - it may be power related, or it may be the keyboard. I get something similar on a keyboard I got from tescos for 4.95...
[13:22] <SStrife> yeah, the mouse was free
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> ok
[13:22] <SStrife> it's a promotional POS from Intel
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> you get what you pay for!
[13:22] <SStrife> "This is not an Intel product. Made in China."
[13:22] <SStrife> thats what it says on the bottom
[13:22] <SStrife> haha
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[13:26] <SStrife> i wish there was an easy way to attach an ammeter
[13:26] <SStrife> without cutting wires and stuff
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> not sure the contactless ones work down at the current levels we're dealing with either.
[13:27] <Eigen> what is a POS?
[13:27] <Eigen> oh the mouse
[13:27] <SStrife> yep
[13:27] <Eigen> I had this sweet led mouse
[13:28] <Eigen> that my friend gave to me
[13:28] <Eigen> but it had terrible tracking
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> my cordless mouse is far too fast too. xfce doesn't seem to be able to slow it down.
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[13:46] <Elspuddy-pi> hey gordonDrogon , im trying out that link that says how to resize, iv done every thing on that page but the resize2fs gives me an error "resize2fs: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/mmcblk0
[13:46] <Elspuddy-pi> Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
[13:46] <Elspuddy-pi> " any idears ?
[13:46] <SStrife> /dev/mmcblk0 isn't enough
[13:47] <SStrife> you need to put in /dev/mmcblk0p2
[13:47] <SStrife> it looks like you just missed out the "p2" at the end
[13:48] <Elspuddy-pi> thanks, i can see what i did wrong, :)
[13:48] * Elspuddy-pi blames the tab key ;)
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[13:51] <SStrife> yeah, catches me out a lot too :)
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[13:52] <gordonDrogon> Elspuddy-pi, hi - sorry was afk. are you sorted now with the p2 bit?
[13:53] <Elspuddy-pi> gordonDrogon, yep, all sorted :)
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> great. check with df -h when it's done.
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[13:58] <Elspuddy-pi> sweeet, rootfs 7.1G 1.4G 5.4G 20% /
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> that's about right for an 8GB device.
[13:58] <Elspuddy-pi> yep
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> if you do some of the other tweaks in that article, it might make it a shade faster too.
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> but updating the kernel is handy if you can.
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/README.md
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[14:03] <Elspuddy-pi> i will have a look at that in a mo :)
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[14:09] <Elspuddy-pi> brb reboot :)
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[14:12] <SStrife> there we go
[14:12] <SStrife> finally a use for a 256MB mini-SD card
[14:12] <SStrife> boot SD for nfsroot :)
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> as an nfs booter?
[14:13] <SStrife> yessir
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> are you doing it with a custom kernel?
[14:13] <SStrife> nah, just the raspbian delivered stuff
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> Hm. how do they do it then?
[14:13] <freezer> damn
[14:14] <freezer> i think i just bought an SD card thats on the problematic list
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> which one?
[14:14] <freezer> stupid Saturn
[14:14] <SStrife> just ip=dhcp root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.1.x:/media/pi1_root rw rootwait
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> never heard of them :)
[14:14] <lennard> SStrife: but thats boring!
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> SStrife, oh right.
[14:15] <SStrife> in cmdline.txt
[14:15] <lennard> now an iscsi root, then you'd need an ambedded initrd
[14:15] <lennard> much more fun
[14:15] <SStrife> but more dicking around, and pretty much the same endgame
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> must check my own kernel flags to allow that.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> and I think I've an old 256MB crd kicking about myself somewhere...
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[14:16] <SStrife> i wonder if it would use an old MMC card
[14:16] <SStrife> not even SD
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[14:17] <SStrife> i know I have a 64MB one of those in an old phone somewhere
[14:17] <SStrife> probably in my NGage
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[14:17] <SStrife> ah NGage
[14:17] <freezer> SDSDH-008G-U46 @ gordonDrogon
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[14:17] <gordonDrogon> I'm waiting on some sandisk 4GB's to arrive...
[14:18] <freezer> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals says it 'could be problematic'
[14:20] * gordonDrogon mutters. why is cohen-sutherland giving me the wrong numbers )-:
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[14:24] <frankivo> oh hai
[14:25] <freezer> gordonDrogon, i hope it will be working with a new kernel
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> freezer, only one way to find out :)
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[14:28] <freezer> gordonDrogon, is it hard to build your own image?
[14:29] <freezer> or can i just replace the kernel from the debian image
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> freezer, easiest way is to use the rpi-update service from Hexxeh.
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/README.md
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> however if you have compiled Linux kernels before, it's not too hard...
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> (famous last words :)
[14:30] <freezer> he
[14:30] <freezer> i'm a linux sysadmin
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> there is still here from bootc : http://www.bootc.net/
[14:30] <freezer> compiled them quit some times
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> I followed his steps to get a cross compilnig environment going on my workstation, then compiled a kernel based on the /proc/config.gz
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[14:34] <freezer> where does rpi update get it's data from?
[14:34] <Motig> I think my sandisk sd card isn't working too well with the pi, keep getting could not initialize sd card errors and then sometimes it does manage to continue booting
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[14:35] <frankivo> freezer: what data?
[14:35] <Habbie> frankivo, from https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware
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[14:36] <freezer> frankivo, kernel, packages etc?
[14:36] <frankivo> sd-card
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[14:37] <freezer> und where do i get the updated packages from, that i put on the sdcard?!
[14:38] <frankivo> depends on what distro you use I guess :p
[14:38] <frankivo> havent touched a rpi yet :(
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[14:44] <freezer> Motig, and after it finally boots everything is good?
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[14:58] <freezer> writing debian to the new sd card ...
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[14:58] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Just kicked off ct-ng build, wheee, about time I sorted a cross env
[14:59] <tzarc> makes it piss easy
[14:59] <freezer> is there an actual build system that compiles all sort of packages?
[14:59] <tzarc> cross-compiled kernel is about 20x faster
[14:59] <freezer> or is it just for individual packages/kernel
[14:59] <tzarc> at the moment, it'd be individual
[15:00] <tzarc> nobody has really set up any sort of cross-compile environment afaik
[15:00] <freezer> tzarc, you mean as in compile it on the RPi?
[15:00] <tzarc> nah, more likely in an arm chroot
[15:00] <freezer> i like the one of openwrt
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[15:01] <freezer> so if you cross compile the kernel, how do you update it?
[15:01] <freezer> just copy the new files on the sd card?
[15:01] <tzarc> actually, tbh, porting openwrt's system might not be such a bad idea
[15:01] <tzarc> yeahh you just replace the kernel on the SD card
[15:02] <tzarc> hmmmmm, might have a look at the openwrt system on the weekend
[15:02] <DDave> o sweet.
[15:02] <DDave> openwrt on the rasppi? :D
[15:02] <tzarc> well more the whole opkg+crosscompile system
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[15:03] <tzarc> 'cause cross-compiling a full system is much MUCH faster
[15:03] <tzarc> you could always go raspbian
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[15:03] <tzarc> but yeah, personally I'd prefer a cross-LFS or so
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[15:04] * tzarc shrugs
[15:04] <tzarc> if I get time I might have a look
[15:04] <tzarc> in theory they should already have the majority of arm patches available
[15:05] <tzarc> so with any luck it'd just be subbing diff compilers
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[15:07] <Gadgetoid_mbp> tzarc: isn't opkg just part of openembedded?
[15:08] <tzarc> dunno, only ever used it in openwrt
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[15:09] <tzarc> wouldn't surprise me if openwrt wasn't the original source of it
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[15:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> tzarc: someone will doubtlessly get a guide/recipe up for an openembedded RPi environment, if it hasn't happened already
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[15:13] <tzarc> won't stop me from mucking around with it anyway :P
[15:14] <cri> anyone else used raspbmc and found 1080p mkv's choppy?
[15:15] <lennard> cri: video or audio?
[15:15] <cri> video
[15:15] <lennard> don't think I've run across a 1080p one yet, But I've seen someone mention they were watching something 1080p on the openelec build just fine
[15:15] <freezer> 1950000000 bytes (2.0 GB) copied, 311.367 s, 6.3 MB/s
[15:16] <cri> might try that one
[15:16] <cri> not sure if the raspbmc is doing any hardware acceleration or not
[15:16] <lennard> it definately is :)
[15:17] <lennard> I've been watching some 720p, and I'm pretty sure the arm cant handle it ;)
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[15:19] <mjr> the sufficiency of the oomph may well depend on the more spesific encoding parameters
[15:21] <_rp> [14:13:00] <+cri>
[15:21] <_rp> yeah me
[15:21] <_rp> mine is choppy
[15:21] <_rp> but i'm assuming that's because im streaming across a 100mbit lan
[15:21] <cri> 720 was fine
[15:22] <dmsuse> lennard: it can handle 1080..
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[15:23] <_rp> yeah, again im guessing that it's having issues pulling large amounts of data in via the nic, which is normal for a device with a 10/100 nic anyway
[15:23] <lennard> dmsuse: keep in mind I was talking about the cpu and software decoding, not the cpu in hardware
[15:23] <_rp> ill try with a usb hdd plugged into it tonight o something
[15:23] <lennard> err
[15:23] <dmsuse> oh
[15:23] <lennard> gpu* on the second
[15:24] <cri> mine was playing across gigabit lan
[15:24] <_rp> but the rpi only has 10/100 nic
[15:24] <_rp> at that's the issue
[15:24] <lennard> isnt 1080p usually 'only' 20mbit or so though?
[15:25] <cri> it does?
[15:25] <_rp> has anyone actually done a data throuput test yet?
[15:25] <freezer> gparted does a wonderful job resiszing the partition/filesystem
[15:25] <freezer> all in one job
[15:26] <freezer> very easy
[15:26] <lennard> cri: its an usb-connected nic
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[15:26] <lennard> so gbit wouldnt be any use
[15:26] <lennard> therefor, 100M :)
[15:26] <freezer> dev/mmcblk0p2 7.2G 1.3G 5.6G 19%
[15:27] <mjr> well, it would be _some_ use. But, 100M is cheap, and cheap is a thing.
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> gbit would be of uise
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> but that
[15:27] <lennard> isnt the usb limited to 130M or so?
[15:27] <lennard> I don't remember the details
[15:28] <mjr> 480M (though a lot of it overhead)
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> 480M
[15:28] <lennard> mmkay
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> I regularly get >30mbytes/s on USB hard disks.
[15:28] <dmsuse> whats the point in having fast ethernet sd card can only read at like 2mb/s so its pointless :p
[15:28] <lennard> streaming :)
[15:28] <mjr> yeah I'm not saying that it would've been sane to put a gigabit interface on the pi
[15:29] <mjr> only that gigabit ethernet on usb2 is a thing, and is useful, even if it can't fully take advantage
[15:29] <lennard> I guess we're all agreed then :P
[15:33] <drazyl> it would be nice if tehre waz a pony in teh box too
[15:34] <lennard> box? which box? :P
[15:35] <drazyl> teh 1 teh pi came in
[15:35] <drazyl> or did my ponyz fall owt?
[15:36] <Elspuddy-pi> hmmm chmod: changing permissions of `/usr/bin/rpi-update': Operation not permitted
[15:36] <Elspuddy-pi> and i did the command with sudo
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[15:37] <_rp> tbh i may just mod the box it came in
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[15:37] <_rp> instead of buying a case that's more expensive than the rpi itself!
[15:38] <mkopack> RPi #3 should arrive today
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[15:38] <Elspuddy-pi> i got a ?10 clear acrilic case from ebay
[15:38] <mkopack> Elspuddy-pi: Do a sudo when running that
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[15:40] <Elspuddy-pi> mkopack, thanks :)
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[15:44] <freezer> mkopack, how come you get so many?
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[15:45] <drazyl> he needs one for each limb to become a CYBORG!!!!!
[15:45] <mkopack> freezer: put in the "register interest" with RS literally 1 minute after the site went live on release day??? Then later that day I found out you could actually ORDER with Newark, so I put in an order (figured I wouldn't bother with RS.) Then 2 days later put in a 2nd Newark order. Then the waiting game started. Early May I got the email from RS to order and have it delivered, and since I still hadn't gotten anything from Newark I said
[15:45] <mkopack> why not? Then 2 weeks later the first from Newark arrived, and now today the 2nd Newark one is arriving
[15:46] <Matt> morning
[15:46] <mkopack> I'm considering ordering 1 more so I can try making a Bramble for the hell of it...
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[15:47] <drazyl> what was the time between the 2nd newark order being placed and being dispatched?
[15:47] <IT_Sean> greedy bugger
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[15:48] <mkopack> I ordered the 2nd one from Newark on March 2.
[15:48] <mkopack> Just getting it today
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[15:49] <mkopack> One of the guys in the local robotics club was interested in this 2nd Newark one though, so I might just sell it to him at cost if he's at the meeting this weekend
[15:49] <IT_Sean> I got this from RS last night: Dear customer, As you will know by now, many people have been invited to place their orders. We know the big questions you are asking are: ???where am I in your queue???? and ???when will I be able to place my order???? We are currently working to give you an indication of where you are in the queue and likely delivery times and hope to share this with you shortly. We are also increasing our
[15:49] <IT_Sean> website capacity to enable us to invite you to place your order as soon as possible.
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[15:53] <drazyl> I thought the big question was "what shall we have for lunch?"
[15:53] <IT_Sean> Well, that too.
[15:54] <mkopack> I thought it was "Who brought the beer?"
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> speaking of lunch ...
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[15:54] <drazyl> "who ate all the pies?"
[15:56] <mkopack> "Corn? I don't remember eating corn???"
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[15:57] <drazyl> "where do the carrots come from?"
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[15:59] <IT_Sean> mkopack: eew
[16:00] <mkopack> lol
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[16:01] <Elspuddy-pi> hmm, /opt/vc/sbin/vcfiled: error while loading shared libraries: libvchiq_arm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:02] <mkopack> That during the rpi-update? I just ignored it...
[16:02] <Elspuddy-pi> yep
[16:03] <Elspuddy-pi> just want into that directory and the files there
[16:04] <mkopack> don't sweat it??? Everything seemed to keep working fine for me
[16:04] <Elspuddy-pi> o.k, brb reboot
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[16:07] <lee> well poo, there's a pi lost in the bowels of royal mail somewhere ...
[16:08] <Veryevil> I guess there is more than one
[16:09] <Fisix_AIX> lee, its not lost, the royal mail staff are taking them all to make a Pi Cluster
[16:09] <lennard> as right they should
[16:10] <lennard> these things are important :P
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> Ah. new sandisk ultra SD card's arrived... lets see how it works...
[16:11] <lee> two dispatched on the same day, a few hours apart, one arrived earlier in the week and the other is MIA :P
[16:12] <mkopack> I'm just happy as hell I FINALLY got RobotOS installed last night??? Took FOREVER??? had to use the previous version, but it seems to be working
[16:13] <mkopack> I have to say, HUGE performance difference between running a Pi with Debian image, stock clock speed, and off SD vs Raspbian, 800Mhz, and external USB drive???
[16:13] <mkopack> VERY noticeable
[16:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Saying RobotOS instead of ROS now, ey?
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[16:13] <mkopack> Yeah, getting tired of everyone assuming I'm talking about RISCOS??? I never even heard of RiscOS until the Pi came around...
[16:14] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[16:14] <lee> noob =)
[16:17] <lee> (or maybe i'm just old ..)
[16:17] <mkopack> I'm 39??? RiscOS just wasn't real big in the USA from what I gather??? seemed to be more of a UK thing
[16:17] <lee> ahh, yes
[16:18] <lee> I have fond memories of my A3010 ... and even some floppies from the same era
[16:18] <lee> really should bin those
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. Sandisk 4GB cards are smaller than my Kingston 4GB cards.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> Bother.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> ah well, it'll wait until after lunch.
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> me I had an A310 or was it the 410 onceupon a time...
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[16:21] <Elspuddy-pi> i think when the arcs was out i was more in to the consoles then computers
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[16:32] <esing> hi
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[16:33] <esing> will a raspberry pi be sufficient to save video recordings of a network security camera 1megapixel @30fps or more ?
[16:33] <esing> (using zoneminder or motion as motion video saving application)
[16:33] <DaQatz> I would expect not.
[16:34] <esing> and why ?
[16:34] <DaQatz> That would be doing Video analysis on the cpu not the gpu.
[16:34] <DaQatz> It doesn't have the strength for that.
[16:35] <lennard> you sure? it doesn't have to be *that* cpu intensive
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> esing: Saving already compressed video streams is not an issue.
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[16:35] <lennard> I think
[16:36] <esing> why does this guy do the job up to HD resolution without having a CPU at all? http://www.abus-sc.co.uk/silver.econtent/catalog/products/Videoueberwachung/Aufzeichnungssysteme/Netzwerk-Rekorder/NAS-4-Kanal-Videospeicher/TVVR35000
[16:36] <DaQatz> Analysing 30 frames a second for motion can eat some cpu.
[16:36] <esing> *does
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> Of course it has a CPU.
[16:36] <DaQatz> And probably has full gpu access for the video.
[16:37] <lennard> also, where does it say that does motion detection? :)
[16:37] <esing> oh so they left those informations out of the technical sheet :(
[16:37] <esing> lennard it does say that
[16:37] <lennard> oh right it does
[16:37] <esing> "Operation modes:Manual, schedule, motion detection"
[16:37] <lennard> they probably left it out since its not really relevant to the consumer
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[16:38] <nemo> Sooo, it has been a long time since I've had to change the keyboard layout
[16:38] <DaQatz> If we had better access to the gpu, then the pi could do it.
[16:39] <DaQatz> But that's not happening any time soon.
[16:39] <esing> so I have to know what minimum CPU is required to do like 1megapixel @30 fps. I suppose only the camera producers knows that
[16:39] <nemo> anyone know how to do that? figured I must not be the only one.
[16:39] <esing> DaQatz you mean better access to the gpu of pi ?
[16:39] <Holden> nemo, on debian: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[16:40] <DaQatz> esing: Yes
[16:40] <nemo> Holden: gracias
[16:40] <nemo> Holden: don't suppose you know of a firefox .deb? :)
[16:40] <esing> weird .. I thought pi is a developer board and I expected it to have full access to anything :)
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[16:41] <DaQatz> esing: It's a teaching board not a dev board.
[16:41] <haltdef> unrealistic expectations
[16:41] <IT_Sean> dev board != open source
[16:41] <esing> good to know
[16:41] <_rp> i have iceweasel working on mine
[16:41] <Holden> nemo, nope, sorry :) but I suspect it would be a bit slow, firefox isn't exactly a lightweight application
[16:41] <einonm> esing: not everything needs a general CPU to process video, it can also be done using dedicated hardware. So the question of a 'minimum CPU' doesn't make much sense if you're using such H/W
[16:41] <_rp> so sudo apt-get install iceweasel
[16:41] <_rp> and coila
[16:42] <_rp> voila
[16:42] <_rp> even
[16:42] <nemo> Holden: well. you'd be surprised
[16:42] <nemo> Holden: a few years ago I was running Seamonkey fine on my machine with 96MiB of RAM
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[16:42] <DaQatz> Pi does chromium surprising well
[16:42] <nemo> Holden: aaaaand the Mozilla guys *still* have *debug* instructions for debugging on machines w/ 256MiB or less of memory
[16:42] <freezer> i plan to overclock it to 1GHz
[16:42] <DaQatz> Feels snappier then midori
[16:43] <nemo> Holden: Firefox uses waaaaay less memory than chromium too
[16:43] <freezer> should improve performance quite a bit
[16:43] <nemo> Holden: which is the main reason I want to get it on the Pi
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[16:43] <fdr87> freezer: with overvolt?
[16:43] <freezer> ya
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[16:43] <fdr87> your pi won't last as long
[16:43] <haltdef> it's still arm11 with 256MB ram
[16:43] <_rp> i spose if it blows up just buy a new one
[16:43] <esing> einonm yus, though if I want to save money i could build a small miniHTX with a sufficent big "general CPU" to do the job either because that little dedicated NAS costs 265,- euro ;))
[16:43] <esing> (without HDD) :D
[16:43] <freezer> Eben said even with overvolt it shouldn't get too hot
[16:44] <nemo> Holden: http://www.itworld.com/software/266362/whats-fastest-browser-maybe-youre-measuring-wrong?page=0,2 - and of course Firefox 15 has improved the situation further, so if you have a nightly build that would be awesome
[16:44] <Holden> nemo, I see, but I think that a recent version of firefox has somewhat higher minimum requirements... still, I haven't tried it, so I don't really know
[16:44] <freezer> plus i think moderate overvolt shouldn't hurt too much
[16:44] <haltdef> don't forget about longevity and reliability
[16:45] <freezer> and if it dies at some point, it's only 40eur for a new one
[16:45] <fdr87> if you can afford to replace it then go for it
[16:45] <nemo> Holden: naw
[16:45] <freezer> i think most people can afford it
[16:45] <freezer> it's not a 1000eur PC
[16:46] <mkopack> Funny that we're talking about GPU and video processing??? I was just reading through a research paper from 1986 about "The Pixel Machine" which was basically the hardware foundation for the programmable GPU's we have today??? Pipelined processing in 1 segment (vertex shaders) and parallel processing in another segment (pixel shaders), and such???. It was one of the first machines to do hardware acceleration of compressed video playback
[16:46] <fdr87> I think I would rather spent the ???40 on beer though.
[16:46] <freezer> lol
[16:46] <freezer> underclock your brain
[16:46] <haltdef> it's not just money at this point, it's a potentially huge wait to get a replacement
[16:46] <mkopack> haltdef: yeah, makes you wonder how deep the backlog still is...
[16:46] <fdr87> haltdef: I'd say within 6 months you won't have to wait.
[16:47] <freezer> ya but do you think a 5-10% overvolt would kill it within a few weeks?
[16:47] <haltdef> I agree, that's no good if you fry your pi today though
[16:47] <haltdef> 10%?!
[16:48] <haltdef> I wouldn't do that to an i7
[16:48] <fdr87> is this going to turn into a danieldaniel?
[16:48] <mkopack> freezer: what speed you trying to get it to?
[16:48] <fdr87> mkopack: he said 1ghz
[16:48] <mkopack> Hmm...
[16:48] <mkopack> (sorry, missed it)
[16:48] <Holden> I wish they had done a rev.2 of the board to solve the '140mA max' problem on usb ports now that thousands of rpis are shipping... it's annoying having to get a hub just to use, say, a wireless adapter or a webcam
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[16:49] <fdr87> Holden: I wish they had done a rev.2 to move the bloody ethernet port forward a bit
[16:49] <mkopack> Holden: it's more an issue of then needing higher power power supplies. The whole idea was to use cell phone chargers and most of those top out around 1A.
[16:50] <Holden> fdr87, oh, looking at it I realize it must be a bit of a problem with a case
[16:50] <mkopack> If you start allowing the USB to put out more juice, then you need > 1A and that limits the PSU options
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[16:50] <fdr87> Are there any known chargers that give you 2A?
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[16:50] <mkopack> for a cell phone? doubtful
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[16:50] <mkopack> Biggest I've seen is around 1.2A
[16:50] <mkopack> But maybe
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[16:51] <fdr87> the ipad charger does 2A doesn't it?
[16:51] <freezer> 1GHz seems very doable, given that some devices even make 900 without overvolt
[16:51] <mkopack> Tehre's the iPad charger
[16:51] <mkopack> Almost time for the Dragon deorbit burn
[16:51] <mkopack> 1:30 to go
[16:51] <DaQatz> Get a kindle fire psu. They do 2A or better
[16:51] <Holden> mkopack, I know, but switching power supplys are cheap and light, so I'm sure 2A unit would appear on the market
[16:52] <fdr87> DaQatz: Or better? That's not very precise.
[16:52] <DaQatz> I can go check
[16:52] <mkopack> Well, we'll see??? This is a first gen product. They'll learn from this release and if they do another model in a year or so, maybe they'll be able to make changes like that to resolve a number of these issues.
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[16:52] <DaQatz> fdr87: Hmm seems I was wrong it's 1.8A
[16:53] <DaQatz> Though it was like 2.2
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[16:53] <Holden> yes, it's just a pity that millions of devices will ship with this 'problem'
[16:53] <fdr87> they announce it next year and we end up waiting another 6 months
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[16:53] <fdr87> Holden: I doubt they'll reach a million sold.
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[16:54] <fdr87> unless the schools really go for it
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[16:54] <Holden> hmm, judging from the success of the product at launch I wouldn't be surprised if they did...
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[16:54] <fdr87> Holden: There have been a looooooot of cancelled orders.
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[16:55] <gordonDrogon> fdr87, I have a 2A PSU for my powered hub - not quite a charger though...
[16:55] <mkopack> Holden: eh, it's an inconvenience, but not a horrible problem. And you CAN use the power off the hub to power the Pi, so relieves you of having to use a 2nd power adaptor
[16:55] <Holden> really? are there official numbers around fdr87?
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[16:55] <fdr87> Holden: Not on me, just going from something RS put out a while back.
[16:56] <fdr87> gordonDrogon: Have you measured 2A or is that just what it says on the sticker?
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> fdr87, it says that on the sticker..
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> fdr87, however it's currently powering 2 Pis...
[16:57] <Holden> mkopack, yes... well, at some point I think I'll try to modify mine to change the polyfuses, but it's still something a normal use couldn't do...
[16:57] <mkopack> I think a lot of people registered interest multiple times, and/or put in orders with both hoping to actually buy from whichever one delivers first, and there's a lot of people who, after seeing what it really is as people started getting them, realized it's not what they wanted and have cancelled
[16:57] <mkopack> But then there's folks like me that bought 3 :)
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[16:57] <fdr87> indeed
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[17:07] <mkopack> And I know a number of people who are interested in buying once the backlog is eliminated so they can order and get it right away
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[17:07] <Holden> for the price, I think many students/universities would buy it... they have been using more expensive dev boards so far, so...
[17:07] <fdr87> mkopack: I don't agree with that logic. I feel it's better to just order and forget about it. And then it's a wonderful suprise when it turns up on your doorstep.
[17:07] <mkopack> Agreed, but to each their own
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[17:07] <dwatkins> fdr87: I thought that, but now I know it's the week that Farnell said I'd get it, it can't arrive soon enough...
[17:07] <_rp> have you had an email to say it's been shipped yet?
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[17:07] <dwatkins> _rp: no
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[17:07] <dwatkins> I had an e-mail about a month ago estimating I'd get it this week, and when I called to ask they said they were getting new stock in towards the end of this month.
[17:07] <_rp> think Farnell emailed me thursday last week and it got delivered on Monday this week
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[17:07] <mkopack> I'm gonna be spending Sunday playing with the dremmel and some plexiglass to make some sort of custom case to hold the 3 Pi's the Pandaboard, 2 external USB drives, a couple USB hubs, and the 4 port Ehernet switch
[17:07] <dwatkins> I'm guessing Farnell don't have any more t-shirts
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[17:07] <_rp> so if you havnt had en email to say it's been dispatched yet you're at least 2-3 days away
[17:07] <fdr87> I would have marked them as spam so they wouldn't warn me.
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[17:10] <fdr87> mkopack: Just one big box or individual boxes which dock together?
[17:10] <mkopack> Probably 1 big plexiglass stack of some sort
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[17:10] <mkopack> I was looking at the PiHouse (http://www.bitbarn.co.uk/thepishop/pihouse.htm) but they're kind $$$ for what they are.
[17:10] <_rp> i've ordered a case from ebay
[17:10] <_rp> http://thedigitallifestyle.com/w/index.php/2012/05/23/quick-review-laser-cut-acrylic-case-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[17:11] <mkopack> I figure I can make something similar to that with a sheet or two of acrylic/plexi
[17:11] <mkopack> there's not much to it. and if you stack the sheets you can get them all the same
[17:11] <_rp> yeah, can't be too hard surely
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[17:11] <mkopack> But I need to get all the hubs and such first so I can figure out the placements and sizes and wiring and such
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[17:12] <mkopack> That's why I was wanting a 4 port KVM but gave up on that. Just going to get a HDMI switch box and move a small unpowered hub with the mouse+kb plugged into it from one powered hub to another
[17:12] <mkopack> Hook each pi up to a powered hub
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[17:13] <Dagger2> you can get USB switching boxes for... I think something like ??15 on ebay
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[17:13] <mkopack> MIGht use them to power the Pi's as well
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[17:13] <mkopack> Dagger2: everything I've found is more for multiple devices in 1 out.
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[17:13] <mkopack> not 2 in, switching between 4 out
[17:14] <fdr87> I prefer the look of adafruit's case.
[17:14] <nemo> weird. I'm having problems w/ keyboard repeat and lag, like there is noise somewhere
[17:14] <nemo> I wasn't having that problem last night at home
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[17:14] <mkopack> nemo: I had a little of that last night as well??? Debian OS, up to date with latest kernel and such from rpi-update ?
[17:15] <nemo> mkopack: yeah
[17:15] <nemo> hmmm
[17:15] <nemo> maybe it was due to updating
[17:15] <mkopack> I'm wondering if it's a bug in the newest update
[17:15] <nemo> I did apt-get update
[17:15] <nemo> it was fine before
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[17:15] <Dagger2> they are there, at least for switching a single device (but your single device can just be a hub)
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[17:15] <nemo> mkopack: welp. I can always revert I 'spose...
[17:15] <nemo> shame though. I'd installed a ton of stuff :(
[17:15] * Dagger2 tries to work out what the magic search phrase is
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[17:15] <mkopack> I'll just live with it for now??? seemed to be not that HUGe a problem
[17:16] <mkopack> Dgger: well, not that big a deal
[17:16] <nemo> mkopack: is pretty bad for me
[17:16] <nemo> can barely type phrases
[17:16] <mkopack> the problem with the KVM's is that the 4 power HDMI ones are like $300+
[17:16] <mkopack> ouch
[17:16] <nemo> I've tried swapping USB and 2 different keyboards
[17:16] <mkopack> try rebooting memo?
[17:17] <nemo> yes
[17:17] <nemo> didn't work
[17:17] <mkopack> Hmm.. dunno
[17:17] <Dagger2> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/320826996152 and http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/330698171404
[17:17] <nemo> for example, trying to type scp
[17:17] <nemo> I get
[17:17] <nemo> scccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc^C
[17:17] <mkopack> Mine wasn't that noticeable??? just a couple times it seemed to miss a keystroke. I figured it was me missing a key
[17:17] <nemo> had to press the e key 3 times to get the letter e to appear
[17:17] <nemo> mkopack: it was totally fine using the image on rpi website :( I guess I should go over the list of updates
[17:17] <oldtopman> Are you typing too quickly?
[17:18] <nemo> oldtopman: lol
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[17:18] <nemo> oldtopman: it happens even if I type one-fingered :-p
[17:18] <mkopack> I'm betting it's an issue with the updated kernel
[17:18] <nemo> oldtopman: that cccccccccccccccccccccc is just the key getting stuck. keys get stuck all the time now
[17:18] <mkopack> Not the apt-get update packages
[17:18] <nemo> mkopack: hmmmmm
[17:18] <oldtopman> Hrm.
[17:18] <mkopack> but the rpi-Update having fetched a new kernel
[17:18] <nemo> maybe the old kernel is still here
[17:18] * oldtopman wonders if they let notch work on the rpi kernel
[17:18] <nemo> mkopack: I didn't run rpi-update - is that equiv to apt-get update ?
[17:18] <mkopack> No,
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> Hm. those sandisk ultra SD cards seem fast...
[17:19] <mkopack> apt-get update doesn't update the kernel (AFAIK)
[17:19] <mkopack> rpi-update is the tool hexxeh made that updates the kernel
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[17:19] <mkopack> you kinda need to do both
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[17:20] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... dragon splashdown in 25ish minutes
[17:20] <mkopack> Yup
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> oh that'll be exciting.
[17:20] <IT_Sean> KERPLUNK!
[17:20] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[17:20] <dwatkins> apt-get upgrade probably would
[17:20] <nemo> mkopack: welp. in that case I did not update the kernel
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[17:21] <ShiftPlusOne> I missed the debirthing, but I am guessing there wasn't anything exciting.
[17:21] <ShiftPlusOne> just berthing backwards >.>
[17:21] <mkopack> Well, better video than what we're getting right now :)
[17:21] <mkopack> They should have put a camera on the trunk so you could see the Dragon detach and move away at least
[17:21] <oldtopman> ShiftPlusOne: Morning!
[17:22] <ShiftPlusOne> oldtopman, ahoy
[17:22] <mkopack> Wonder if this Dragon will end up in the Smithsonian
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[17:22] <oldtopman> ShiftPlusOne: What might you be up to?
[17:22] <oldtopman> Selling your spare rpis?
[17:23] <ShiftPlusOne> oldtopman, spare pis? I don't have spare pis, mkopack does though... get him!
[17:23] <mkopack> hehe :)
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[17:23] * PiBot sets mode +v Tuxuser
[17:23] * IT_Sean takes one of mkopack's spare pis
[17:23] <oldtopman> I'm going to sell my first one. This market is crazy!
[17:23] <nemo> mkopack: Linux version 3.1.9+ (grayg@dc4-arm-01) (gcc version 4.5.1 (Broadcom-2708) ) #90 Wed Apr 18 18:23:05 BST 2012
[17:24] <nemo> mkopack: that looks like default to me....
[17:24] <mkopack> nemo: I don't' have mine with me here at work so I can't compare.
[17:24] <mkopack> sorry
[17:24] <mkopack> So maybe it is something from the latest apt-get update?
[17:24] <ShiftPlusOne> By the time you get it, it might settle... there are already plenty of pis hitting ebay
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[17:24] <mkopack> upgrade
[17:24] <nemo> mkopack: yeah. checking log now
[17:24] <oldtopman> Mine arrives tomorrow.
[17:25] <nemo> mkopack: is very difficult to do. keyboard almost unusable
[17:25] <nemo> hmmmmmm
[17:25] * nemo tries unplugging the mouse
[17:25] <mkopack> What about SSH'ing into the device?
[17:25] <oldtopman> Seems like it'll settle to about $100.
[17:25] <nemo> all better
[17:25] <nemo> interesting... I did install gpm. although I don't recall having this problem at first.
[17:25] <nemo> lemme plug both mouse and keyboard into a hub instead
[17:26] <nemo> hrm. or just try another mouse
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[17:26] <mkopack> Yeah, try a powered hub. Maybe you're right at that power cutoff threshhold
[17:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I am having the same issues even with a hub
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[17:27] <ShiftPlusOne> except with a hub it's much less predictable
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[17:27] <nemo> ok. with mouse plugged in I get: The quick o jumpd er he lazy broonnnn. for the standard typing phrase we all know :)
[17:28] <nemo> mkopack: I was thinking more interference?
[17:28] <mkopack> hmm.. dunno
[17:28] <mkopack> strange
[17:28] <nemo> mouse unplugged, fine
[17:28] <ShiftPlusOne> it's a power issue
[17:28] * nemo tries halting gpm
[17:28] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne: that's happening to you too?
[17:28] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[17:28] <lars_t_h> DHL had impressed me! Wow for a very good service. Aprox 2 hour ago phined costumer service asking them where my package was in their system, 90 minutes later they had found it, and they delivered it to me by courier to me in a small village some 90 km away from thee the package was.
[17:28] <ShiftPlusOne> nemo, have you checked the voltage?
[17:28] <lars_t_h> *s/phined/phoned
[17:28] <ShiftPlusOne> between the testpoints?
[17:29] <nemo> ShiftPlusOne: don't have the equip for that here :-/
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[17:29] * PiBot sets mode +v si
[17:29] <nemo> ShiftPlusOne: hm. maybe the guys downstairs have one though
[17:29] <mkopack> And you seeing this when in X or just at the console or what?
[17:29] <nemo> mkopack: both, yes
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[17:29] <nemo> and on boot
[17:29] <mkopack> Hmm. k
[17:30] * oldtopman writes the description for his rpi
[17:30] <nemo> actually on boot eliminates gpm come to think of it. sooo, guess I'm gonna go w/ ShiftPlusOne's theory
[17:30] <mkopack> shift: and you're using a powered hub and it's still doing it? That must mean the Pi itself isn't getting enough power?
[17:30] <nemo> mkopack: nope. about to dig up a powered hub :)
[17:30] <oldtopman> I would be tempted to keep it, but I don't have a sd card or anything of the sort.
[17:30] <oldtopman> :l
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[17:31] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, I've tried an htc, a samsung and a no-name supply... being 700mA, 1A and 3A
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[17:31] <oldtopman> Here's my problem with the rpi.
[17:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I am thinking maybe the powered hub isn't powered enough, but that doesn't make sense, since the voltage on the testpoints does drop
[17:31] <mkopack> I need to hit Frys tomorrow after work to get a couple powered USB hubs and see if they have one of those USB switch boxes and get a HDMI switch box??? Probably will need more HDMI cables as well
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[17:31] <mkopack> Hmm
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[17:32] <ShiftPlusOne> and oscillates, but that's regardless of the supply used.
[17:32] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne: Remind me later tonight when I get home and I'll throw the multimeter on mine and check to see what happens when I plug/unplug the KB/Mouse
[17:32] <nemo> powered hub does indeed solve the problem
[17:32] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, do you have a scope?
[17:32] <mkopack> One of those little ARM based pocket ones??? got it for Xmas, never used it yet...
[17:33] <ShiftPlusOne> alright
[17:33] <nemo> 'course it might if it was interference too, but since ShiftPlusOne seems to know what he's talking about, I'll go w/ the low power theory :)
[17:33] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know what I am talking about
[17:33] <nemo> plus, mouse shouldn't be doing anything when I'm not moving it
[17:33] <ShiftPlusOne> don't ever think I know what I am talking about... bad things happen when people do that.
[17:34] <mkopack> hehe
[17:34] <mkopack> NEVER ASSume
[17:34] <fdr87> I just had a look at the power supply for my usb hub and it says max 2A on it :D
[17:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yay... live footage of the dragon
[17:34] * lars_t_h got his Pi - me got his - speak about feeling like a little boy at X-mas :)
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> dragons coming down...
[17:35] <ShiftPlusOne> 10 minutes
[17:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Is popcornmix from broadcom?
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[17:36] <ShiftPlusOne> (does he have access to the firmware source and such?)
[17:36] <dwatkins> I'm not sure which I'd be more nervous about if I were involved in the Dragon spacecraft - the success of the mission, or the fact the world is watching via NASA's website and ustream.tv
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> interweb tubes are congested )-:
[17:37] <DDave> w0t
[17:37] <DDave> is it happening now?
[17:37] <DDave> link please!!
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> drogue chutes out...
[17:37] <dwatkins> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html seems to work fine for me
[17:37] <DDave> thanks girls :D
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> UK is having LINX issues
[17:38] <dwatkins> welcome, miss
[17:38] <PReDiToR> I'd be crapping myself over how the launch of the Heavy goes ... Getting u pthere was the hard part, nobody will care if Dragon falls out of the sky after dropping the cargo off safely.
[17:38] <DDave> whow, that is HD quality indeed
[17:38] <dwatkins> it's like an analogue TV signal bounced off a hill
[17:38] <DDave> what am I watching?
[17:38] <DDave> looks like sperm attacking an egg or something
[17:39] <ShiftPlusOne> it's still far away
[17:39] <mkopack> The scientists who have been waiting fro their experiment sample return might have issue with that PReDiToR
[17:39] <ShiftPlusOne> amazing that there's any live footage at all
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> main chutes out...
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[17:39] <DDave> wait is it docking or coming down?
[17:39] <dwatkins> DDave: commercial spaceflight being viable
[17:39] <ShiftPlusOne> DDave, !?
[17:39] <DDave> no wait.. you dont need chutes in space
[17:39] <DDave> Dont mind me!
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[17:40] <mkopack> coming down
[17:40] <DDave> Yes..took me a second to figure out, thanks :)
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[17:40] <gordonDrogon> it's been there, docked and now 4 minutes from splashdown..
[17:40] * IT_Sean listends for the "kerplunk"
[17:40] <IT_Sean> *listens
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[17:42] * dwatkins wonders how accurate they are able to be about where it lands
[17:42] <ShiftPlusOne> seemed pretty damn accurate
[17:43] <IT_Sean> They are pretty good at predicting that
[17:43] <IT_Sean> Hell, they were fairly good at predicting splashdown locations in the Apollo days. :p
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> the high speed boats they have will only be able to cover a few miles from the main boat.
[17:44] <ShiftPlusOne> that's it? =/
[17:45] <DDave> hey imagine you were on a recovery vessel
[17:45] <DDave> and dragon smashes on your deck
[17:45] <DDave> that'd be pretty ironic :D
[17:45] <IT_Sean> that would be A Bad Thing.
[17:45] <DDave> very ironic indeed
[17:45] <ShiftPlusOne> would save some time though
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> it's down..
[17:45] <IT_Sean> A few thousand people at NASA and SpaceX would all go "oops!"
[17:45] <DDave> "uhm guys..we dont need to recover it anymore...we got it on deck"
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> DDave: They do that once the propulsion is working :)
[17:46] <DDave> :D
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[17:47] <ShiftPlusOne> would be interesting if pirates towed it away first >.>
[17:47] <DDave> LOL
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> it's pretty easy to work out if it's on a collision course once they pick it up on radar from a boat.
[17:47] <DDave> just follow them using satelite
[17:47] <DDave> and then proceed to shoot em up...
[17:47] <PReDiToR> I would imagine there are a few Predators in the area for just such an event.
[17:48] <IT_Sean> Could be.
[17:48] <IT_Sean> Also, it would be a pretty good way ot get blown up. Pirates don't go after the US Navy. :p
[17:48] <PReDiToR> Twice
[17:48] <IT_Sean> true.
[17:48] <IT_Sean> very true :p
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[17:49] <dwatkins> I'd be more concerned about the press
[17:49] <PReDiToR> I think it would be nice if the press went after the US Navy.
[17:50] <PReDiToR> Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of ... Wait, I forgot lawyers.
[17:50] <mkopack> See, the other difference between NASA and SpaceX - NASA = Maintain own recovery vessels??? thus cost to maintain even when not getting used, paying for crew, etc. SpaceX = We just contract with a company when we need them.
[17:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Why do they need a crew when it's not being used?
[17:50] <PReDiToR> Private enterprise has it's uses, but necessary services like rail/gas/electricity/post/prisons/buses/police aren't it.
[17:51] <mkopack> You don't just HIRE them and then fire them
[17:51] <mkopack> Rail USED to be private company??? Gas/Electric here ARE (although they're highly regulated)
[17:51] <mkopack> (USA)
[17:51] <PReDiToR> I can see the advert in the JobCentre now - boatmen required for quick salvage operation, own asbestos gloves preferred.
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[17:52] <mkopack> Will be canned immediately following mission completion (like most video game developers)
[17:52] <IT_Sean> Heh
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[17:52] <IT_Sean> yeah, no. that wouldn't really work
[17:53] <IT_Sean> If i knew i were getting canned afterwords, i'd take the boat and the recovered craft as my own, and just bugger off with it :p
[17:53] <PReDiToR> Just ring Manpower Services, they have loads of agency workers to fill in for a couple of days.
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[17:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Somehow I Imagine that NASA has a whole lot of people which arne't actively used who are more than qualified already... without having to hire a crew.
[17:53] <IT_Sean> For sale: SpaceX Dragon capsule. Slightly used. Minor water damage to exterior. In need of refurbishment.
[17:53] <PReDiToR> Sold as seen
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[17:53] <dwatkins> "smells like a new car inside"
[17:54] <IT_Sean> All sales final.
[17:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm... I wonder what the new space capsule smell is.
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[17:54] <PReDiToR> expensive
[17:54] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[17:54] <PReDiToR> Imagine a Veyron ...
[17:55] <IT_Sean> They do smell pretty nice, those veyrons.
[17:55] <PReDiToR> Now imagine a solid gold Veyron, with Platinum alloys
[17:55] <IT_Sean> :p
[17:56] <mkopack> You see the pic of Steve Tyler from Aerosmith getting his new car? Supposed to be INSANELY fast
[17:56] <PReDiToR> nope
[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Wonder how long before the lawyers and accountants take over SpaceX and make it too expensive and unreliable to be viable.
[17:56] <IT_Sean> can we PLEASE just shoot all the bloody lawyers?
[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> (a possible downside of relying on a private company)
[17:57] <PReDiToR> How long before Virgin buy them and do the trip for twice the price?
[17:57] <mkopack> Well, I think that's one of the reasons Musk is reluctant to take SpaceX public
[17:57] <IT_Sean> PReDiToR: but with 6 times the style? :p
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[17:57] <nid0> hey, my partner's a lawyer, no shooting her :<
[17:58] <IT_Sean> too late.
[17:58] * IT_Sean reloads
[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> my ex is an accountant... dont care much either way. >.>
[17:58] <PReDiToR> If you like the thought of a great big phallus with the word "Virgin" down the side of it in sliding ink style white paint then ... yeah, lots of style.
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[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[17:58] <IT_Sean> that would be EPIC. :p
[17:58] <DDave> my gf wants to become a lawyer...
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[17:58] <PReDiToR> DDave - get out while you still can
[17:59] <DDave> :D
[17:59] <IT_Sean> tell 'er it's a good way to get shot
[17:59] <DDave> haha
[17:59] <DDave> by this guy called Sean
[17:59] <IT_Sean> Yup.
[17:59] <DDave> what if I keep her under control?
[17:59] <DDave> and she only fight patents and s on
[17:59] <DDave> so*
[17:59] <DDave> :D
[17:59] <PReDiToR> How do you control a woman? Millions of men (who don't drink Stella) would like to know!
[18:00] <IT_Sean> When i come to power as world leader, my forst order of business is to claim a fairly sizable bit of Australia as the royal residence. Second order of business, however, is to shoot all the lawyers.
[18:00] <IT_Sean> *first
[18:00] <DDave> ALL of them? :(
[18:00] <PReDiToR> And telesales persons
[18:00] <DDave> or only the ones that work with patents? :D
[18:00] <IT_Sean> well... perhaps keep 3 or 4 around, as a reminder of why i shot all the rest.
[18:01] <DDave> loooooool
[18:01] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, the crappy central and western part of Australia or the proper habitable by humans East coast part of Australia? =O
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[18:03] <IT_Sean> Can't i just have all of it?
[18:03] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:03] <ShiftPlusOne> you can have tasmania
[18:03] <IT_Sean> fair enough.
[18:03] <ShiftPlusOne> but I think you're legally required to marry your sister there or something
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[18:04] <IT_Sean> I am 100% fine with that, as i haven't got a sister.
[18:04] <PReDiToR> Yeah well, I'm gonna ask Mr and Mrs Minogue to adopt me then.
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[18:04] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne: I thought that was WEst Virginia????
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[18:05] <IT_Sean> No, you're required to marry your COUSIN in west virginia.
[18:05] <mkopack> Oohh my bad
[18:05] <mkopack> I must be thinking Alabama....
[18:05] <IT_Sean> Alabama is your uncle, as i recall.
[18:05] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[18:06] <nemo> ShiftPlusOne: hm. even with the keyboard plugged into the hub I do get the occasional lost key. could be related to the fact that on startup there was spew about the keyboard disconnecting and resetting 4 times
[18:06] <mkopack> Oh in other space news - Virgin Galactic got approval to do experimental test flights of their Spaceship-1 derivative sub-orbital craft from the FAA
[18:06] <IT_Sean> nemo.... what sort of keyobard issit?
[18:06] <IT_Sean> is it a big fancy one, or a basic one?
[18:06] <nemo> IT_Sean: standard dell
[18:07] <IT_Sean> not a power issue then. Weird.
[18:07] <IT_Sean> WHat sort of power supply are you using for the Pi?
[18:07] <mkopack> Sean: he was having a lot more issues before plugging it into a powered hub
[18:07] <IT_Sean> So... could it be a PSU issue?
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[18:07] <IT_Sean> isn't USB one of the first things to go with dodgy power?
[18:08] <mkopack> Tha'ts the other theory, but he said he's tried with a 3A one???
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[18:08] <mkopack> Doesn't have a multimeter handy to check it though
[18:08] <IT_Sean> hmm. Are we sure it's outputting a proper 5v?
[18:08] <mkopack> See ^^^^ :)
[18:08] <IT_Sean> it might be a poorly regulated PSU, spitting out 4.8 or something.
[18:08] <IT_Sean> ahh.
[18:08] <nemo> seems a bit better behaved w/ my HP keyboard
[18:08] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[18:08] <IT_Sean> I almost wonder if the input VOLTAGE is low.
[18:08] <nemo> the dell one *did* have a fiddly bit for controlling volume that I never used
[18:09] <mkopack> possibly
[18:09] <PReDiToR> I heard that you can whack the voltage right up before the RasPi blows up.
[18:09] <mkopack> ShiftPlusOne was seeing a similar issue and I had mine drop a few keystrokes last night as well
[18:09] <shizzledizzle> a
[18:09] <IT_Sean> nemo: are you using HDMI out?
[18:10] <nemo> yep
[18:10] <IT_Sean> and it's working fine?
[18:11] <nemo> yep
[18:11] <IT_Sean> odd.
[18:11] <IT_Sean> okay, that urinates all over my theory quite effectivly.
[18:11] <ShiftPlusOne> why is hdmi an issue?
[18:11] <IT_Sean> No, it was a purely diagnostic question
[18:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I am having the same keyboard issues, but no problems with hdmi either.
[18:11] <IT_Sean> HDMI is also one of hte first things to go squiffy with low voltage
[18:11] <IT_Sean> So, i was attempting to use that to diagnose the problem, you see....
[18:11] <nemo> rebooting with the new keyboard. no multiple connects/disconnects
[18:12] <nemo> guess I'll stick with this one
[18:12] <ShiftPlusOne> if I had a spare micro usb cable, I'd try with my lab supply
[18:12] <ShiftPlusOne> but I don't have any to spare
[18:12] <nemo> hm
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[18:12] <nemo> spoke too soon
[18:12] <nemo> damn. repeated disconnects, reconnects
[18:12] <ShiftPlusOne> nemo, does the keyboard have a built in hub?
[18:12] <nemo> no
[18:13] <ShiftPlusOne> ok
[18:13] <mkopack> nemo: Have a spare SD you could try loading a fresh OS image onto to try?
[18:13] <nemo> this is my basic HP one
[18:13] <nemo> mkopack: nope :)
[18:13] <mkopack> see if you're getting the same issues with a fresh image vs this one
[18:13] <nemo> mkopack: but
[18:13] <nemo> mkopack: I might dump the image to a HD
[18:13] <nemo> just you know, a bit tedious
[18:13] <nemo> worth a shot, sure
[18:13] <mkopack> I'd just throw a fresh image o the HD...
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[18:13] <mkopack> and you'll LOVE how much smoother the Pi runs that way
[18:13] <ShiftPlusOne> nemo, if you ever figure it out, please let me know.
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[18:14] <nemo> mkopack: I mean. dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=backup bs=1M
[18:14] <nemo> mkopack: then refresh w/ old image
[18:14] <nemo> test
[18:15] <mkopack> ah
[18:15] <nemo> then dd if=backup...
[18:15] <nemo> just will take a while
[18:15] <mkopack> gotchya
[18:15] <mkopack> good luck!
[18:15] <nemo> aaaand really should get back to work :)
[18:15] <mkopack> hehe WHY ? ;)
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[18:17] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah I was meant to go to work hours ago... hurray for (kind of) self employment.
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[18:17] <gordonDrogon> nemo, you can do something like: gzip -9 -c < /dev/mmcblk0 > backup.gz if short of disk space..
[18:17] <PReDiToR> Work is the curse of the drinking classes
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[18:19] <ShiftPlusOne> hurray... found a keyboard on ebay that doesn't have multimedia keys, isn't foldable or washable, without a built in hub and that's a proper size (not mini, slim or any of that crap). If that doesn't work then.... >=/
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[18:23] <nemo> gordonDrogon: 2TB HD ;)
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[18:26] <gordonDrogon> nemo, no problems then :) I'd been using that on my old AAO laptop with an 8GB SSD ...
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[18:37] <gordonDrogon> Bah! I have the wrong keyboard layout )-:
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> which is somewaht perplexing as I've been through all the usual dpkg-reconfigure runes )-:
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[18:42] <fdr87> I don't know how the americans can live with that weird layout of theirs
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[18:43] <PReDiToR> I don't know why they call the hash key "pound" ????
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[18:43] <IT_Sean> That's what it's typically called in Amerika. Don't ask me why.
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. solved. Raspbian and all the console keymap packages hadn't been installed!
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> The proper name is octothorpe.
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, Haha only by BT!!!
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[18:47] <_Lucretia_> hi lars_t_h
[18:48] <fdr87> lars_t_h and the real girl
[18:50] <_Lucretia_> fdr87: who you calling a girl?
[18:50] <fdr87> _Lucretia_: It's a film.
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[18:52] <_Lucretia_> ok then, let ya off :D
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[18:53] <PReDiToR> Lucretia is traditionally a female name. Easy assumption to make even without it being a film reference
[18:53] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[18:54] <PReDiToR> ^ 'e said again
[18:54] <_Lucretia_> it is, but also a song name
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[18:55] <_Lucretia_> anyone using hdmi->dvi with this thing?
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[18:56] <tayuan> Helo everybody)
[18:56] <tayuan> Wha about pdf reader for RaspberryPi?
[18:56] <bjorn`> Hello Dr. Nick!
[18:57] <PReDiToR> tayuan - xpdf ?
[18:57] <bjorn`> Evince
[18:57] <_Lucretia_> evince is better
[18:57] <tayuan> How to get and install it??
[18:57] <_Lucretia_> apt-get install evince
[18:58] <_Lucretia_> if on debian
[18:58] <wiiguy> finally ordered a raspberry pi :D
[18:59] <mkopack> wiiguy: congrats. Why'd you wait so long? You're going to be way deep in the queue!
[18:59] <wiiguy> i had no chocie :p
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[19:00] <wiiguy> rs online sent me the activation code yesterday to order
[19:00] <SpeedEvil> There is always a choice.
[19:00] <oldtopman> ^Truth
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[19:00] <SpeedEvil> You could have found a kitty, and demanded that someone send you a Pi, or it loses one whisker every hour.
[19:01] <PReDiToR> pacman -S xpfd
[19:01] <PReDiToR> pacman -S xpdf
[19:01] <IT_Sean> hey. no. no harming cute animals.
[19:01] <wiiguy> cats can live without wiskers > they will fall down aloit though :p
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[19:01] <IT_Sean> wiiguy: that's terrible! :o
[19:01] <wiiguy> it was not my idea
[19:02] <PReDiToR> I want a proof of life before I send the RasPi
[19:02] <tayuan> But if I have no intenet on my RasPi???
[19:02] <wiiguy> anyways i ordered and payed yesterday :D
[19:02] <wiiguy> now to wait 6 weeks :p
[19:02] <PReDiToR> tayuan - Use a different computer to read the PDF
[19:02] <wiiguy> estimated 6 weeks
[19:02] <Moofie> hey, I have been searching a bit but haven't really found an answer, is there a rasbmc image available or do you need to build it yourself?
[19:02] <fALSO> olol pdfs on the pi
[19:02] <fALSO> scroll down - 0.5fps
[19:02] <fALSO> see everything being drawn
[19:02] <romprod> moofie yes, you can download it
[19:03] <romprod> 2 secs and ill find the link
[19:03] <MaZ-> fALSO: thats pretty much pdf's on everything :V
[19:03] <Moofie> romprod: thx
[19:03] <fALSO> on everything that doesnt have 2d drivers
[19:03] <fALSO> :-P
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[19:03] <PReDiToR> PDF - another rotten technology foisted on the world by Adobe.
[19:03] <fALSO> you can use djvu
[19:03] <romprod> http://www.raspbmc.com/
[19:03] <MaZ-> might have some SD cards which work with my pi today ??_??
[19:03] <fALSO> it will be slow too
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> At least it has mostly working third party readers.
[19:03] <romprod> works fine for me, installed it a few days ago
[19:04] <mkopack> Man, it amazes me how much more community effort and support there is for the Rpi vs the Panda
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> Publicity
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> price
[19:04] <mkopack> Price really makes a huge difference
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[19:04] <mkopack> right
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> performance
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> penguins
[19:04] <tayuan> I want to read this http://www.python.ru/files/book-ods.pdf python book on Pi(
[19:04] <Moofie> romprod: I am already on that website, but on the download page, I do not see a link...
[19:05] * Moofie must be blind
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> Pancakes.
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[19:05] <mkopack> Poon :)
[19:05] * tayuan wants read PDF on Pi=(
[19:05] <ShiftPlusOne> nemo, does your keyboard work if you unplug ethernet?
[19:05] <romprod> moofie
[19:06] <romprod> the link is on the main page
[19:06] <romprod> "You can now grab the new beta image HERE"
[19:06] <romprod> right where it says here
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> Does nayone have a link to a cheap card that works with the Pi?
[19:06] <Moofie> ah! didn't bother reading the front page :D
[19:07] <romprod> yeah, not sure why it's not on the downloads page... would make sense really
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[19:07] <tayuan> SpeedEvil, http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Flash-SDHC-Memory-SDSDB-016G/dp/B001W1BSM0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1338483929&sr=8-4 is a good one, I use it
[19:08] <fALSO> 18:04 >>> tayuan wants read PDF on Pi=(
[19:08] <fALSO> is it that hard?
[19:08] <nemo> ShiftPlusOne: packed it all up for now. need to get actual work done :)
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> (Ideally from the uk)
[19:08] <fALSO> just install xpdf or something, and see the pdf
[19:08] <fALSO> i dont see what the problem is
[19:08] <ShiftPlusOne> nemo, alright, I'll leave you to it.
[19:08] <tayuan> falso, withot Internet
[19:09] <fALSO> thats like... i want to fly, but i dont have a airplane
[19:09] <tayuan> =(
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[19:10] <tayuan> sadly
[19:10] <fALSO> download the required packages
[19:10] <fALSO> on a computer that has internet
[19:10] <tayuan> and..?
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[19:11] <_Lucretia_> tayuan: copy them over to the sd card manually
[19:11] <tayuan> to what dir?
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[19:13] <Gadgetoid> Woo, passed my driving theory test??? got one question wrong, though, gah
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[19:13] <SpeedEvil> I'm reminded of a question.
[19:13] <mkopack> Gadgetoid: congrats! So now you can actually get behind the wheel to practice?
[19:13] <SpeedEvil> 'You are upset, and need to go somewher.
[19:13] <Gadgetoid> I even noticed that I'd got it wrong, but the presumably DotNet based testing App didn't have a 'CausesValidation="false"' on the "Back" button, so I got thwarted when I went back to change it
[19:13] <SpeedEvil> Should you: A) Wait until you calm down.
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> B) Have a beer to calm you down
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[19:14] <mkopack> PLEASE god learn to be religious about using your turn signals??? NOTHING pisses me off more on the road than people who don't signal lane changes
[19:14] <Gadgetoid> mkopack: Already been on the road :D
[19:14] <Gadgetoid> SpeedEvil: One does not simply have A beer
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[19:14] <Gadgetoid> mkopack: just means I can take my actual driving test now
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[19:14] <mkopack> gotchya
[19:15] <Gadgetoid> SpeedEvil: Yes, most of the questions are absurd and should be passable by anyone with a grasp of the English language
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[19:15] <Gadgetoid> Which is why I'm pissed at missing one, graaaa!
[19:16] <mkopack> hell, half the questions on the GA state motorcycle written test are outright WRONG
[19:17] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, how can a question be wrong?
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[19:17] <Gadgetoid> ShiftPlusOne: by being written 20 years ago when cars were pulled by horses
[19:17] * SpeedEvil has failed the practical test 4 times :/
[19:17] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[19:17] <mkopack> "Where is the proper place to ride in the lane during the rain" - they say the correct answer is in the middle. WRONG. In the tire tracks of the car ahead of you. Friction causes those to dry out sooner, and there's most likely LESS standing water there due to the displacement of the water from the tires of the car that just went through it
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> Get stupidly tired halfway through, and make silly errors.
[19:18] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, yup. The question isn't wrong though, their answer is >.>
[19:18] <ShiftPlusOne> we had a few of those as well
[19:18] <Gadgetoid> SpeedEvil: I get the same problem in my lessons
[19:18] <mkopack> Question - "Which stops in less space - a car or a motorcycle?" They say car??? BULLSHIT. I my sport bike will stop in like 1/2 the distance of most street cars
[19:18] <ShiftPlusOne> the instructor just told us about those beforehand and said he'll mark them right either way
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[19:18] <mkopack> WAY less mass to slow down
[19:19] <Gadgetoid> SpeedEvil: I start out a little ropey, peak really good in the middle and towards the end I'm just a miserable driving wreck
[19:19] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, that's debatable.
[19:19] <mkopack> If you're on a heavy frickin harley cruiser, sure??? But on a modern sport bike, I don't think so
[19:20] <mkopack> There were some other retarded ones as well but I don't remember them
[19:21] <mkopack> I don't care, I have the license that's all that matters.
[19:21] <fdr87> mkopack: The bike may stop, but would you?
[19:21] <mkopack> Can't take it away until I'm old and senile now! Muhahaha
[19:21] <mkopack> YES
[19:21] <fdr87> Flying over the handlebars :P
[19:21] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, still debatable. Maybe with ABS, or if ridden by an expert, but if you take your average car and an average bike, and average driver and an average rider, I am 100% sure the car will have a better stopping distance.
[19:22] <nid0> maybe that question accounts for the probability of the bike taking ages to stop sliding along flat on its side with the rider being mashed in a ditch somewhere after coming off
[19:22] <mkopack> 4 contact patches vs 2, but WAY more than 4x the mass in the car than the bike
[19:23] <mkopack> (granted the rear wheel/brakes are pretty useless on a sport bike under heavy braking...)
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, and how does mass affect the point at which you lose traction?
[19:23] <mkopack> It's VERY VERY hard to break traction on the front end while braking (unless you hit some oil or gravel)
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[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I would argue that it's much easier to lose traction on the bike, so you don't have much barking power available
[19:23] <mkopack> You'll go over the top before you'll brake the traction
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, I would disagree with that heavily... dry road, perfect conditions, sticky racing tyre... maybe.
[19:24] <mkopack> Because when braking, the front end gets seriously loaded up with all the momentum moving forward. The front end dives, which drives the tire into the road harder.
[19:25] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[19:25] <mkopack> I'm talking normal street sport tires on a, say, 600cc sport bike
[19:25] <mkopack> You'll end up doing a stoppie before you'll break traction
[19:25] <ShiftPlusOne> I am very sceptical of that claim
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[19:26] <ShiftPlusOne> hang on, I've looked into this before, lemme see if I can still find the studies on braking distances
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[19:28] <mkopack> http://www.bikesafer.com/detail/braketime.html, but it doesn't say what type/style bike
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[19:28] <PReDiToR> The greater mass of the car presses the main braking wheels into the tarmac too.
[19:28] <ShiftPlusOne> "minimum stopping distance of the bikes tested at 128kmh was anywhere from 65m to 93m."
[19:28] <mkopack> True
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[19:28] <ShiftPlusOne> "Road cars tested at 110kmh stopped between 63.3m and 105m."
[19:29] <mkopack> Ok, so nearly identical
[19:29] <bbeattie> has there been any word on model A will be released and when model B will not be back ordered more than a week or so?
[19:29] <ShiftPlusOne> that's with ABS
[19:29] <mkopack> Car or bike with ABS?
[19:29] <PReDiToR> Bikes do lovely stoppies if you break quickly and too hard, but the experience of a good rider comes into play knowing the feeling of the back end unloading and tempering their braking.
[19:29] <mkopack> Or both?
[19:29] <ShiftPlusOne> bike... let me check though, this was a long time ago.
[19:29] <mkopack> PReDiToR: exactly??? A good biker will feel the back end lifting and modulate the front brake force.
[19:30] <mkopack> I don't even BOTHER using the rear brake 99% of the time because it's basically useless
[19:30] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, it's useful for low speeds, gravel, oil, wet roads and so on
[19:30] <mkopack> 110km/h is what in MPH?
[19:30] <mkopack> Yeah
[19:30] <mkopack> but normal riding around, not super useful
[19:30] <PReDiToR> I stood a 350LC on its nose once. Pulling up to the front of my mate's car. His face was priceless.
[19:30] <mkopack> Now, when riding dirt it's totally the opposite
[19:31] <Moofie> btw, my board that did not boot yesterday (from an SD card that works in another board) seems to boot from another card. strange
[19:32] <ShiftPlusOne> actually the ABS and non ABS stopping distance were similar (the non ABS were by experts and it was best out of a certain amount, I believe)
[19:32] <PReDiToR> I didn't mean to type break earlier. I just noticed that I did that. Grr.
[19:32] <mkopack> So if 110km.h is roughly around 70MPh, then 275 ft without ABS.
[19:32] <mkopack> Which is what? around 80m ?
[19:32] <ShiftPlusOne> http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4072/bikes.gif
[19:32] <mkopack> 70m?
[19:32] <mkopack> What's CBS ?
[19:33] <PReDiToR> Commodore Business Systems.
[19:33] <mkopack> LL
[19:33] <mkopack> LOL
[19:33] <mkopack> http://www.bikesafer.com/detail/braketime.html
[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, either way, I am not 100% convinced one way or the other, but I am leaning towards either "roughly the same" or "depends heavily on the experience of the rider"
[19:34] <PReDiToR> Everything hinges on the ability of the person controlling the vehicle
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[19:34] <ShiftPlusOne> unless you're talking about statistics and averages
[19:34] <mkopack> ok, so 110kph = 68.5 MPH, = 241.59 ft = 73.6 m
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[19:35] <mkopack> And the bike and car in question as well
[19:35] <mkopack> like I said, a cruiser isn't going to slow down anywhere near as fast as a sport bike
[19:35] <mkopack> a Yugo isn't going to slow down like a M3 or Audi S4
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[19:35] <mkopack> (if it can even get going that fast! LOL)
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[19:36] <IT_Sean> the only way to get a yugo going that fast is to drop it off a very high cliff
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[19:36] <mkopack> hehe
[19:36] <PReDiToR> Why is it that kids who rice up their crap heaps never think to improve the braking system commensurate with the extra speed they are likely to be carrying?
[19:37] <mkopack> PReDiToR: I'd just be happy if they'd buy the right damn body kits for their car and installed it the right way and painted it to match! Half the ones around here are falling off, or the wrong color..
[19:37] <mkopack> And WTF is the point in spending $8K in mods to upgrade the engine on a car who's body looks like total ASS?
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[19:38] <mkopack> I pull up next to those idiots when I'm on the bike and just laugh at them??? and then smoke em off the line
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[19:39] <PReDiToR> mkopack - I repectfully disagree. The brakes are the single most important part of a motor vehicle. Bodywork is a way down the list as far as keeping these dumb kids alive long enough to buy a real car.
[19:39] <mkopack> Well true??? Agreed.
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> If the brakes don't turn off, the vehicle is very safe.
[19:39] <mkopack> Brakes/suspension FIRST, then power, then cosmetics
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> Similarly if the engine doesn't work.
[19:40] <mkopack> but they always go for the fart-can exhaust first, then all sorts of wings and aero kits and engine mods??? tires and brakes and suspension to actually apply all of it are usually dead last
[19:41] <PReDiToR> It makes me wonder that they spend ?10,000 on upgrading a crap heap instead of going out and buying a ?7,000 car with a 3.0litre engine that pees all over their mates, then using the extra ?3,000 for the insurance.
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[19:42] <mkopack> PReDiToR: AGREED!
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> So. new Sandisk SD cards marginalyl faster than the Kingston ones, but more importantly don't give the boot error messages...
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[19:47] <fdr87> gordonDrogon: Which sandisk?
[19:47] <fdr87> blue, ultra or extreme?
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> Ultra
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> Class 6.
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> label says SDHC I (or 1)
[19:48] <fdr87> hmm I have an old ultra 2
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> claims 30MB/sec... ho ho not on a Pi it won't!
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> they're full-size too, not micros in a carrier like the Kingston ones.
[19:49] <fdr87> But it's a little bit broken, the read only slider fell off
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[19:49] <fdr87> gordonDrogon: microsds are going to be soooo slow
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> aren't those read in software anyway?
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[20:02] <freezer> re
[20:02] <MBS> lol
[20:02] <MBS> probably wont do it since its such an old car by now
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[20:02] <MBS> but would love to do a project car on a civic del sol
[20:03] <MBS> also only the euro version has power roof :(
[20:03] <freezer> shit, this Sandisk card wont work :(
[20:03] <freezer> mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt.
[20:04] <freezer> after like 30 of these
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[20:04] <IT_Sean> MBS: the "power roof" option was a joke. It takes longer than doing it manually
[20:04] <freezer> Setting parameters of disco: mmc0: (none)
[20:04] <freezer> and more interrupt messages
[20:05] <MBS> well i would just want to not have to get out of it
[20:05] <mkopack> NASA Dragon post mission briefing starting on NASA TBV
[20:05] <mkopack> TV
[20:05] <MBS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Orje0u-lDc
[20:06] <MBS> so much power in such a tiny car
[20:06] <GabrialDestruir> You know... I've come to realize a problem I have with truecrypt containers. The first is naming them, the second is, if I use a file I tend to just end up deleting it because I forgot the password or w/e.
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> why bother?
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[20:07] <GabrialDestruir> That's kind of how I feel about it xD
[20:07] <MBS> you should obviously name file the same as the password
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> unless you really need to use truecrypt,etc. isn't it just more faff than it's worth?
[20:07] <GabrialDestruir> XD
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[20:07] <gordonDrogon> looks like the capsule in the background - looks small if thats the real thing.
[20:07] <GabrialDestruir> Pretty sure that isn't very secure MBS :p
[20:07] <mkopack> That was the one from th first test flight
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> ok
[20:08] <freezer> can someone provide me with a newer image(kernel) so i can check if the mmc errors go away?
[20:08] <GabrialDestruir> Link? To the dragon stuff that is.
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[20:08] <gordonDrogon> I can put the one I'm using up - it's about 2MB - will take me some time to get ot iff my net..
[20:08] <mkopack> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> Hm. well maybe not as long as I though. let me md5 it...
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> hmph. bufferbloat. it's still in the tubes.
[20:10] <hotwings> its a blessing that dragon is a success
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> well if you want it, wget http://unicorn.drogon.net/zImage
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to rename it to kernel.img and put it in /boot
[20:11] <GabrialDestruir> Wow.... he seems to stutter a lot. So did the other guy.
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> No guarantees :)
[20:11] <mkopack> hotwings: agreed
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[20:11] <hotwings> a little piece of me died inside when the space shuttle was officially retired
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> that kernel may be lackinn is some drivers etc. particularly wi-fi - there are none in it.
[20:12] <freezer> anyone?
[20:12] <mkopack> Yeah, likewise, but it was necessary??? Shuttle never really met it's goals
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> freezer, it's there... if you want a test kernel...
[20:13] <freezer> sorry didn't thought this was for me
[20:13] <mkopack> It was an amazing machine, but just not economical, and capabilities too limited to do more than go to the station??? And couldn't go to the station cheaply enough
[20:13] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if there's a way to get the Pi to boot of the boot partition if it were at the end of the disk...
[20:13] <freezer> i will try it
[20:13] <mkopack> Took us WAY too long between start of shuttle and start of ISS...
[20:13] <DaQatz> GabrialDestruir: Should be yes
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, I've no idea how clever the GPU 'bios' is ...
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, my suspicion is that it might just look for the first partition...
[20:14] <DaQatz> GabrialDestruir: Resort partition table so the end partition is in the first position
[20:14] <hotwings> the thing that really makes me cringe is how quickly other countries are taking the lead in space, and how quickly their timelines are
[20:14] <hotwings> *quick their timelines
[20:14] <DaQatz> That way, the first partition is simple at the end of the drive.
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> DaQatz, well - that's an option - maybe...
[20:15] <mkopack> hotwings: Well, china is basically just BUYING their space program from russia??? Their spacecraft are just re-built Soyuz
[20:15] <mkopack> same with their space station
[20:15] <mkopack> They're not having to invent it the way we and the Russians had to
[20:15] <freezer> gordonDrogon, where do i put this?
[20:16] <freezer> replace kernel.img?
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> freezer, mv /boot/kernel.img /boot/kernel.img.good ; mv zImage /boot/kernel.img
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> freezer, might needs sudu, etc..
[20:16] <GabrialDestruir> Well what I was curious about seeing if it were possible.... is create an SDCard with your normal like 1 or 2GBs in mountable storage, like that can be seen by everything, then have next either the OS or the boot or w/e
[20:16] <freezer> sure thx
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[20:16] <hotwings> china isnt the only country interested though. you have japan and india who are hot now too
[20:16] <GabrialDestruir> So it looks like a normal card.
[20:16] <mkopack> Yeah, but neither has manned capability
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> N. Korea too, although their efforts so-far have been laughable...
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[20:17] <mkopack> ANd, since SpaceX is commercial, those countries might find it cheaper to just buy/contract flights from SpaceX rather than develop their own
[20:17] <GabrialDestruir> Unless that's what they want us to think....
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> China has orbited a man, haven't they?
[20:17] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[20:17] <DaQatz> That might be tricky
[20:17] <mkopack> China, yes several so far
[20:17] <hotwings> the thing is their dumping a lot of money into it so the things that are holding them back wont be holding them back for long
[20:18] <GabrialDestruir> The aliens could of given N. Korea super space flight capabilities, but to throw us off, N. Korea wants their efforts to look laughable.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> freezer, have you done an rpi-update ever?
[20:18] <hotwings> yup, thats one of the reasons why i said its a blessing. it will keep us in the game
[20:18] <GabrialDestruir> That way when they attack us from space it comes as a shock :p
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[20:19] <freezer> gordonDrogon, no since its stuck at bootup
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> freezer, ah. that kernel might not work for you then - I think it needs the updated bootloader..
[20:20] <freezer> shit
[20:20] <freezer> yes i only get a black screen
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> panic not.
[20:21] <freezer> very much
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> you can always re-write the SD card with the original image.
[20:21] <freezer> how to update the bootloader without a working system?
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> brb - will help in a minte.
[20:22] <freezer> ok
[20:23] <GabrialDestruir> You git the firmware from github
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> back.
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> I can upload the bootloader, etc. I'm using too, or girhub.
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> freezer, I presume you can read the SD card in a PC of some sort?
[20:24] <freezer> yep i can
[20:25] <freezer> im under linux
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[20:25] <freezer> guess i can do github
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> ok, try this:
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> wget http://unicorn.drogon.net/bootcode.bin
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> wget http://unicorn.drogon.net/loader.bin
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> copy those to the SD card.
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> and give it a go.
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> not sure if you need start.elf too, or if they are the same as ever.
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> if you do, then http://unicorn.drogon.net/start.elf is arm224_start.elf
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[20:28] <freezer> i'll compare the files
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> ok
[20:28] <ekselkiu> Anyone heard of the SD card brand "MFC"?
[20:29] <chris_99> not i
[20:29] <freezer> 6b0c3fcf2d75b53b7d2d987114593ce2 start.elf
[20:29] <freezer> a23ff92e819db02b53e499f753f29d10 /run/media/freezer/95F5-0D7A/arm224_start.elf
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[20:29] <freezer> so they seem to be different
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> use mine then :)
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> oh, wait..
[20:30] <nemo> ohhh. dang it. I was wondering where the firefox package was.
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> check against you arm192_start.elf
[20:30] <nemo> I forgot. debian
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[20:30] <gordonDrogon> iceweasel...
[20:30] <nemo> I should probably have searched for "ice weasel"
[20:30] <nemo> yep
[20:30] <nemo> :D
[20:30] <freezer> gordonDrogon, different as well
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> ok - newer then :)
[20:30] <nemo> man. my pi is all packed away. guess I'll try it tonight
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> use it - nothing to lose now :) :)
[20:30] <freezer> for every number or just 224?
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> that's my start224 file.
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> just copy it to start.elf
[20:31] <nemo> gordonDrogon: ugh. squeeze is still on 3.5 :( :(
[20:31] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.thoughtsofthemasses.com/gabrialdestruir/2012/05/30/raspberry-pi-meets-lego-bricks/
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[20:31] <gordonDrogon> nemo, nothing if not traditional is Debian :)
[20:31] <GabrialDestruir> For anyone who was curious about my case :p
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, fantastic :)
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, not sure I have enough black lego ...
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> However you can buy Lego by the Kilo on ebay...
[20:33] <nemo> gordonDrogon: :(
[20:33] <GabrialDestruir> I bought them from the lego website. lol
[20:33] <freezer> gordonDrogon, wow thx
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> freezer, you've booted up ok?
[20:34] <freezer> gordonDrogon, it said will now restart
[20:34] <freezer> but it seems to run well
[20:34] <freezer> login now
[20:34] <GabrialDestruir> An Egyptian Student has recently patented a new form of Quantum Space Travel which may lead towards more fuel efficient rockets.
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> yes - that's the standard stuff - if it hangs with some mention of portmap, then power cycle it.
[20:34] <freezer> very fast and smooth
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> it's a faster kernel, so might feel a bit better than the stock one.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> so this is your first Pi boot?
[20:35] <freezer> ya
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo :)
[20:35] <freezer> :D
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> That kernel has the sound driver built-in too, so you shouldn't need to modprobe it.
[20:35] <chris_99> GabrialDestruir, linky?
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[20:36] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.onislam.net/english/health-and-science/science/457096-egyptian-student-invents-a-new-propulsion-method.html
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[20:38] <freezer> my wireless mouse is not workin
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: that seems content-free
[20:38] <freezer> probably requires too much power
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> is it a bluetooth one, or has its own protocol?
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> there is no wireless of any kind on that kernel...
[20:39] <freezer> Logitech unified...
[20:39] <freezer> it should be standard
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> probably uses its own protocol... try lsusb
[20:39] <freezer> usb input device
[20:39] <freezer> lsusb shows the receiver
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> woohoo: You have a shipment being sent from RS COMPONENTS LTD that is due to be despatched on 31/05/2012
[20:41] <chris_99> SpeedEvil, can you see the video at the bottom
[20:41] <chris_99> isn't that just the piezoelectric effect then
[20:41] <freezer> dmesg does not show an input for the mouse though
[20:41] <freezer> only for the keyboard and my usb soundcard
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> I'd try another mouse if you have one...
[20:43] <freezer> i dont
[20:43] <freezer> haha
[20:43] <freezer> at least not in this flat
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> ah. no X for you then...
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[20:43] <freezer> have to get some stuff from my old one
[20:43] <freezer> or steal from work
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: i'm not watching videos based on that text.
[20:43] <chris_99> hehe
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> WAtching SpaceX news conference.
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> Of-course the tracking nmber they gave me doesn't work. Ho hum.
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> good oldparcelfarce.
[20:45] <mkopack> SpeedEvil: Same here. These dman people need to learn to turn OFF their feeds while talking on the phone!
[20:45] <SpeedEvil> I question that's the issue.
[20:45] <SpeedEvil> They can't all be that incompentent
[20:45] <mkopack> Thinking bad phone bridge?
[20:45] <SpeedEvil> Something like that
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> So it was worthwhile me fiddling with my line drawing code and putting in cohen-sutherland clipping. my benchmark has gone from 5.3fps to 12.6fps.
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> doing everything I can to speed-up my BASIC on the Pi!
[20:47] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: no you aren't
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[20:47] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: :]
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, Oh yes, I am ...
[20:47] <mjr> gordonDrogon, you're a loon
[20:47] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: are you compiling it already?
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> mjr, possibly.
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, compiling what? it's an interpreter...
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[20:47] <GabrialDestruir> String Rays genetically grown for shoes... lovely world this is.
[20:47] <Cheery> and do you have benchmark directory for your BASIC?
[20:48] <chris_99> is it a JIT gordonDrogon?
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> no, just one or 2 test programs.
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, not really. it's tokenised on entry like most BASICs, then when you type 'run' it's interpreted.
[20:48] <Cheery> well then you aren't doing everything you can, to speed up your BASIC on your pi. :-)
[20:48] <chris_99> aha
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> me mutters.
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[20:49] * gordonDrogon mutters also.
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> I could cache the output of the shunting yard when it evaluates expressions though. I am considering that. That's almost a JIT sort of operation at run-time.
[20:50] <mjr> don't listen to them!
[20:50] <nemo> hm. so just curious, for people in europe, using ???.. - now that the ??? is sinking, is that pushing up the cost of the Pi, or is it at a fixed price relative to what the ??? was at the time of release?
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[20:50] <IT_Sean> the Pi is priced in US Dollars, Nemo.
[20:50] <nemo> IT_Sean: I know
[20:50] <IT_Sean> So, if the euro changes in respct to the dollar, the price you will pay in the EU will change
[20:50] <nemo> IT_Sean: thus the phrasing of my question ;)
[20:50] <IT_Sean> ... is my understanding
[20:50] <GabrialDestruir> Except not really.... CAUSE THE PRICE IS A LIE >.>
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> I thought the ? was sort of stringer agaisnt the $....
[20:51] <nemo> IT_Sean: unless the manufacturer has already paid the costs, and can afford to keep the price fixed relative to a prior price point
[20:51] <plugwash> IT_Sean, the foundations nominal price is in dollars but what really matters is what the distribution partners are doing
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> but I know nothing about global currency, etc.
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> not a money geek.
[20:51] <nemo> gordonDrogon: naw. ??? is down to 1.23741 at least check on xe.com
[20:51] <nemo> gordonDrogon: six months ago, it was 1.41+
[20:51] <GabrialDestruir> 1 US dollar = 0.8089 euros
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> Hm. not good then..
[20:52] <nemo> gordonDrogon: .8085 :-p
[20:52] <nemo> er. GabrialDestruir
[20:52] <nemo> yes, I know it fluctuates :)
[20:52] <GabrialDestruir> Which also equates to 1.00 EUR = 1.23686 USD
[20:52] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[20:53] <GabrialDestruir> It's really all confusing .-.
[20:53] <shirro> USD is still considered a safe currency. When there is instability people buy it I think. Kind of crazy to see AUD going down because of problems in Europe
[20:53] <Cheery> I tried Cassowary Constraint Solver yesterday.. then studied the papers and wondered for a while
[20:53] <nemo> shirro: well. also problems in China
[20:53] <nemo> shirro: and some internal poor decisions in Australia
[20:53] <GabrialDestruir> I think USD is considered safe because if the US dollar breaks, the economy world wide is pretty much gonna collapse anyways?
[20:54] <nemo> GabrialDestruir: well. in its current form which was based on the US$ after the war
[20:54] <nemo> GabrialDestruir: global trade would take a severe hit, but things would re-form around something else
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[20:54] <nemo> GabrialDestruir: currency basket, commodities basket, whichever currency was strongest...
[20:55] <GabrialDestruir> We should go back to using weighted gold coins as our currency.
[20:55] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[20:55] <nemo> anyway. still vaguely curious about whether the europeans are screwed on the currency thing
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[20:56] <shirro> nemo: they can always dissolve the union and go back to killing each other. I'll grab some popcorn.
[20:56] <nemo> hm. I guess the price shift isn't that big. even taking taxes into account, really just raises the price by maybe 1??? or so
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[20:56] <nemo> yay for low low rpi price!
[20:57] <_Lucretia_> nemo: greece is, they'll go back to drachma or create a new one, then spain will follow. problem with the old currencies is the amount, i.e. 2m lire = 2p, which is friggin stupid
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[20:57] <GabrialDestruir> Oi, no european wars, the price of the rpi might go up!
[20:57] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[20:57] <nemo> _Lucretia_: problem w/ union dissolving is it doesn't really fix the problem of financing their national debt
[20:57] <dmsuse> it makes no sense, california is so bankrupt it cant even afford to pay the police.. yet that doesnt make the usd suffer.. so why should the euro suffer if greece is borrowing a tiny amount of moeny :P
[20:57] <mkopack> shirro: given all the discontent in the EU between France and Germany about how to deal with the Greek, Italian and Spanish debt issues, it just might come to that!
[20:57] <nemo> setting aside currency conversion which isn't that big a deal in the age of credit cards
[20:57] <Cheery> when using a constraint solver for layouting, rest of my layouting code started looking like a wrapper
[20:58] <nemo> dmsuse: In the US California can't borrow against the Feds
[20:58] <_Lucretia_> by going with the euro, they created a high exchange rate with it, if they went back to individual currencies, maybe the exchange rates would be more favourable
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[20:58] <nemo> dmsuse: which doesn't mean there haven't been numerous stealth bailouts of the states
[20:58] <plugwash> nemo, sure it does, if they pass a law saying that for all government debts and all contracts in their country their new currency is equivilent to x euros
[20:58] <plugwash> and then print as much of their new currency as they need
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[20:58] <_Lucretia_> nemo: you just write the debt off and sell it onto a debt collection company who don't have the legal rights to collect :/
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[20:59] <shirro> They should sell a couple of islands to Turkey
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[20:59] <fdr87> why does turkey need islands?
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[20:59] <TopherBrink> anyone had aros running on their pi yet?
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[20:59] <_Lucretia_> TopherBrink: go to #aros and ask
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[21:00] <TopherBrink> or i could just not
[21:00] <nemo> plugwash: they can do that, but just like if you walked away from your car or house, people won't want to lend to you for a while
[21:00] <fdr87> _Lucretia_: What the hell kind of response is that?
[21:01] <shirro> fdr87: it is a history thing. turkish occupation, cyprus etc. obviously no greeks here to take the bait
[21:01] <TopherBrink> oddly enough i came to the raspi channel as usual to ask about the raspi distro that just went up
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[21:01] <nemo> plugwash: or maybe not. lenders are fickle. remember what happened in Russia
[21:01] <_Lucretia_> fdr87: it's a "they're more likely to know" answer
[21:01] <freezer> so i'm working in the console now ;)
[21:01] <freezer> i will install mplayer and see if i can play webradio using the usb soundcard
[21:01] <nemo> plugwash: bunch of investors got screwed, but they were back like 5 years later
[21:01] <freezer> gordonDrogon, thx again, seems to work quite fast
[21:01] <_Lucretia_> TopherBrink: I couldn't see anythng relating to it on the dev ml
[21:01] <fdr87> _Lucretia_: It's rude. There are 400 users in this channel.
[21:01] <_Lucretia_> fdr87: it's not rude
[21:01] <GabrialDestruir> Why ask in #aros, they'll probably say "Go ask the RPi channel"
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[21:02] <_Lucretia_> unlikely, anyone wanting to port aros goes to the ml first generally
[21:02] <TopherBrink> i dont want to port it, there is a working port.
[21:02] <TopherBrink> hence... asking in the rpi channel
[21:02] <_Lucretia_> ah, so there is a port
[21:02] <fdr87> Why? There are lots of users porting things to the pi in here.
[21:03] <_Lucretia_> if there's a port, there's bound to be a howto
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[21:03] <TopherBrink> i didnt ask for a howto, i asked if anyone had run it yet.
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[21:04] <TopherBrink> to learn that information
[21:04] <fdr87> Latest humble bundle is really good. You guys should grab it. Pay what you want, pc, mac, linux.
[21:04] <fdr87> http://humblebundle.com/
[21:04] <TopherBrink> http://www.aros-broadway.de/downloads/index.html for those not aware yet.
[21:04] <mjr> fdr87, torrenting as we speak
[21:05] <fdr87> mjr: Too bad I already own 4 out 5. :(
[21:05] * mjr doesn't really buy games, so doesn't ;]
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[21:05] <nemo> mjr: I tend to play just a few games, but obsess over them
[21:06] <GabrialDestruir> I'm only missing that last game xD
[21:06] <fdr87> mjr: Played amnesia?
[21:06] <nemo> mjr: usually end up submitting code
[21:06] <fdr87> GabrialDestruir: ditto
[21:06] <mjr> clearly you shouldn't buy them from elsewhere, since then you can't take advantage of their inevitable humble bundling
[21:06] <mjr> oh I haven't even played any of the games from the couple of previous bundles I bought...
[21:06] <mjr> I will probably try some at some point when I bother ;)
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[21:06] <nemo> mjr: Hedgewars I got obsessed enough to have now spent 3?? years coding for it :)
[21:07] <GabrialDestruir> But... 1 dollar for 1 game isn't that bad I suppose, but apparently you get STEAM keys
[21:07] <GabrialDestruir> which is awesome.
[21:07] <fdr87> mjr: One was in a previous humble bundle, one is an original xbox title, and the other two were big releases. I don't have superbrothers though
[21:07] <nemo> fdr87: huh. previous humble bundle? so what's new this time. releasing new version or the data files or something?
[21:08] <fdr87> GabrialDestruir: Yeah, although they only recently started a min of $1 for steam keys
[21:08] <GabrialDestruir> You apparently get the soundtracks though.... Which is cool in itself?
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[21:08] <mjr> nemo, nothing necessarily, they do rebundle games on occasion
[21:08] <nemo> ah
[21:08] <fdr87> nemo: Nah, they just have a bad habit of reincluding them.
[21:08] <nemo> mjr: I thought part of the promise was to FOSS them after
[21:08] <nemo> mjr: at least the code, if not the data
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[21:08] <mjr> nemo, in the first bundle, that was the case for most of them
[21:08] <GabrialDestruir> You can customize how your money gets spent too
[21:09] <GabrialDestruir> Again awesome xD
[21:09] <mjr> it's not been a big requirement for them
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[21:09] <mjr> most of the games have _not_ been freed, even engine-wise
[21:09] <nemo> mjr: ??? well. that makes them a lot less interesting then
[21:09] <mjr> certainly
[21:09] <fdr87> nemo: Another one of the big indie packs is indie royale, which is run by the desura guys.
[21:10] <nemo> not familiar with them
[21:10] <fdr87> Unfortunately when they launched indie royale they stopped including desura keys with humble bundle
[21:10] <nemo> fdr87: but if you are into indie gaming, you should checkout what Tiy is working on these days
[21:10] <nemo> fdr87: he's planning to release it this fall
[21:10] <nemo> fdr87: http://playstarbound.com
[21:10] <GabrialDestruir> Eh... I wonder if I do that unlock steam bit if I can get them as "gifts" or if I have to give the Keys away or w/e
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[21:10] <nemo> not FOSS or anything, but we really appreciate what he did for Hedgewars
[21:11] <fdr87> GabrialDestruir: Nope
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[21:11] <nemo> and he did good work for Terraria too
[21:11] <fdr87> Oh god.. that tiy? I through I recognised the name.
[21:11] <fdr87> I loved terraria
[21:11] <nemo> Tiyuri, yeah
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[21:11] <mjr> indie royale isn't very linux-friendly
[21:11] <fdr87> It's so sad they're not developing terraria anymore
[21:12] <nemo> Starbound should be pretty linux friendly
[21:12] <fdr87> mjr: That's suprising, desura are very linux aren't they?
[21:12] <nemo> I successfully built it on linux ages ago
[21:12] <GabrialDestruir> So... redeem steam keys.... and I can't add them to my account as giftable options... that's a damn shame
[21:12] <nemo> and AFAIK they haven't changed anything in requirements
[21:12] <nemo> opengl based
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[21:12] <nemo> unlike terraria ;)
[21:12] <fdr87> GabrialDestruir: Yeah, that only ever happened for select titles like the orange box
[21:13] <fdr87> Yeah desura have a linux section
[21:13] <GabrialDestruir> Bah...
[21:14] <GabrialDestruir> Well I suppose DRM Free copies of those games is enough reason.
[21:14] <mjr> Desura might support Linux, but the Indie Royale bundled games don't tend to do so.
[21:14] <fdr87> GabrialDestruir: Well they only did it because for months they had been promising a "black box" with only tf2, ep2 and portal.. and then when release came there was only an orange box.
[21:14] <mjr> if an Indie Bundled game _happens_ to have a Linux version, you can get it in the bundle, but apparently eg. in the current offering none do
[21:15] <fdr87> So they said you can give the extra copies.
[21:15] <nemo> mjr: oh. ugh
[21:15] <nemo> mjr: even less of a reason then.
[21:15] <nemo> mjr: I can run things under wine, but I'm not gonna pay good money for that stuff.
[21:15] <freezer> gordonDrogon, my keyboard is very weird
[21:15] <mjr> Indie Royale -bundled, I mean
[21:15] <freezer> after some time it totally stops fuckin around
[21:15] <freezer> like i press one button
[21:15] <mjr> Humble is at least good on their cross-platform pickings
[21:15] <freezer> and it keeps printing it in the console
[21:15] <nemo> mjr: I've bought from the ubuntu software centre - I wonder how ubuntu splits that cash w/ the devs
[21:16] <freezer> although i'm not pressing
[21:16] <fdr87> freezer: watch out, the OPs in here are nazis when it comes to swearing.
[21:16] <nemo> mjr: I'm guessing they aren't as greedy as apple. no one could be that greedy
[21:16] <DaQatz> I could?
[21:16] <mjr> oh no one can afford to be that greedy that doesn't have a cult following
[21:16] <DaQatz> I can?
[21:17] <IT_Sean> fdr87: we are NOT nazis. I take offense to that. We simply ask that you keep the language in here child-safe
[21:17] <fdr87> Another nice thing about the humble bundle is that you can choice how much each organisation gets of your money
[21:17] <IT_Sean> you don't like that rule, you are free to leave.
[21:17] <fdr87> IT_Sean: It's an expression.
[21:17] <nemo> IT_Sean: we enforce that on our game server too, for same reason
[21:17] <IT_Sean> It's an offensive expression.
[21:17] <fdr87> IT_Sean: Like grammar nazi
[21:17] <nemo> IT_Sean: is just to be polite
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[21:18] <dmsuse> i believe the only offensive words allowed are git and lame :P
[21:18] <freezer> could it be lack of power?
[21:18] <Gadgetoid> dmsuse: You win the internets!
[21:18] <nemo> IT_Sean: unlike folks here though, if you use non-kid-friendly nicks/room names/speech in public channels, I just kick you :)
[21:18] <dmsuse> Gadgetoid: your so lame :P
[21:18] <nemo> IT_Sean: I figure you'll figure it out eventually ;)
[21:18] <Gadgetoid> dmsuse: Don't forget the W word, that's pretty harsh
[21:18] <mjr> incidentally, while not challenging the policy (it's your channel), I challenge the notion that language can be child-unsafe in that sense
[21:18] <freezer> think this started after connecting the ethernet cable
[21:19] <GabrialDestruir> So what, they've been doing humble bundle for two or three months or something?
[21:19] <fdr87> mjr: I agree.
[21:19] <dmsuse> Gadgetoid: yeah that's just not worth saying lol
[21:19] <mjr> it's more about being fussy-adult-safe
[21:19] <nemo> mjr: depends on the parents and their parenting decisions. we just try to ensure the environment is one they'd be comfortable in
[21:19] <fdr87> It isn't up to the internet to censor themselves, it should be the parents job if they feel the need.
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[21:20] <nemo> fdr87: um. "the internet" is a vague and random thing
[21:20] <IT_Sean> Guys, again... those are the rules here... don't like 'em? leave.
[21:20] <nemo> fdr87: and communities on it, can impose whatever standards they like
[21:20] <mjr> IT_Sean, if talking about the rules is also forbidden, please state so clearly
[21:20] <IT_Sean> No, it isn't
[21:20] <nemo> fdr87: if one has a product aimed at young children, trying to ensure a friendly atmosphere w/ certain basic requirements is not at all uncommon
[21:21] <nemo> I'm actually baffled this sort of stuff even needs explaining
[21:21] * nemo shrugs
[21:21] <fdr87> nemo: But it isn't. This isn't a chat room owned by the foundation. This is "unofficial".
[21:21] <fdr87> The channel has no product.
[21:21] <nemo> lol
[21:21] <fdr87> Merely a fandom.
[21:21] <IT_Sean> And we are operating it in the best interests fo The Foundation.
[21:21] <mjr> oh it doesn't need explaining so much as I'd like people not to give credibility to the silly meme about some words being dangerous for kids
[21:21] <IT_Sean> *of
[21:21] <nemo> now you are being deliberately obtuse
[21:21] <Gadgetoid> IT_Sean: as a fellow (forum not IRC) moderator, I feel your pain right now ;)
[21:22] <mjr> you can _ban_ them, but please use a honest reason
[21:22] <nemo> sooo. gonna go do something else
[21:22] <dmsuse> fdr87: if you think the channel owners are the n word you should meet the freenode staff :P i think you will find the same rules over all channels on freenode
[21:22] <nemo> mjr: straw man
[21:22] <dmsuse> so just go with it
[21:22] <mjr> nemo, no it's not. Child-safety was explicitly mentioned as the reason
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[21:22] <fdr87> dmsuse: .... Seriously.. Nazi is a banned word now??? Are you being serious. That is whitewashing the holocaust.
[21:22] <mjr> well, the policy, even
[21:22] <nemo> mjr: "some words being dangerous for kids" - "straw man"
[21:23] <mjr> nemo, dangerous is simply the reverse of safe
[21:23] <nemo> mjr: has been explained a bit more clearly than that. you are just exaggerating for effect
[21:23] <GabrialDestruir> Haha... whaaa? Using torrents for legal distribution of music and games?!?
[21:23] <Gadgetoid> Rules are like Scottish policemen, they may not always be intelligible but you still have to do what they say, badum-tshhh!
[21:23] <GabrialDestruir> Scandulous!
[21:23] <dmsuse> fdr87: hey you can't even call someone fat in the uk now :P nobody complained lol
[21:23] <nemo> mjr: I'd go with "friendly" and "appropriate to how parents want their impressionable kids to interact with the world"
[21:23] <tech2077> someone read hackers and painters....
[21:23] <mjr> nemo, you would, but IT_Sean said it's about child-safety, so it wasn't a strawman
[21:23] <fdr87> dmsuse: You can't? I call people fat all the time..
[21:23] <nemo> mjr: once they get to your age, they can cuss up a blue streak, but hopefully can avoid imprinting at the age of 6
[21:23] <dmsuse> fdr87: serious prison time for you :P
[21:24] <nemo> mjr: look. use some common sense. come on.
[21:24] <freezer> is there some lock that prevents hdmi from being pulled off while the Pi is powered on?
[21:24] <chancellorsmith> right - anyone know where I can grab a .img of XBMC for Pi, rather than compiling etc ?
[21:24] <nemo> mjr: obviously he didn't mean "dangerous"
[21:24] <mjr> fine, let's compromise and do s/dangerous/unsafe/
[21:24] <fdr87> dmsuse: Fat isn't a disablilty, it's a concious choice to not look after yourself.
[21:24] * nemo sighs
[21:24] <nemo> right. back to work
[21:24] <Gadgetoid> chancellorsmith: aren't there at least two, if not three, Pi OS distributions that come with XBMC...
[21:24] <dmsuse> fdr87: maybe so, but now its a hate crime ;)
[21:24] <fdr87> freezer: no
[21:24] <chancellorsmith> I'd like an XBMC image
[21:24] <tech2077> chancellorsmith, try raspbmc, they have precompiled images
[21:25] <chancellorsmith> beta ?
[21:25] <jinzo> chancellorsmith, raspbmc (google it) or on the forum, Multimedia, OpeneELEC thread.
[21:25] <fdr87> dmsuse: I refuse to believe that, you've been watching too much jeremy kyle my friend
[21:25] <chancellorsmith> ok
[21:25] <Gadgetoid> chancellorsmith: like, a pretty picture?
[21:25] <jinzo> I'm using OpenELEC from the forum (latest) and it works well.
[21:25] <chancellorsmith> yes please
[21:25] <Gadgetoid> chancellorsmith: here we go: http://cache.lifehacker.com/assets/images/4/2008/02/XBMC_Main_Screen.png
[21:25] <freezer> fdr87, dunno was really hard to pull it off
[21:25] <dmsuse> fdr87: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9297496/Calling-someone-fatty-could-become-a-hate-crime.html
[21:25] <fdr87> freezer: It will loosen over time.
[21:25] <jinzo> Gadgetoid, that ain't pretty :P
[21:26] <Gadgetoid> jinzo: XBMC in a nutshell :D ayooo
[21:26] <freezer> what is fiberlamp?
[21:26] <freezer> takes 80% of the cpu
[21:26] <jinzo> Gadgetoid, I found the newer version quite handsome.
[21:26] <fdr87> dmsuse: Meh, just a sensationalist topic by a crap newspaper
[21:27] <Gadgetoid> jinzo: I use Apple TVs, so my opinions on media players should probably be ignored, or laughed at
[21:27] <jinzo> :P
[21:27] <jinzo> Will keep in mind.
[21:27] <fdr87> Gadgetoid: Aren't apple tvs just mac minis without the cd drive?
[21:27] <Gadgetoid> fdr87: The new ones are iPhones without the screen, 3G antenna or storage
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[21:28] <fdr87> hmm
[21:28] <Gadgetoid> But, yes, the original ones ran a cut-down OSX (although I never owned one) and the new ones run a weird version of iOS which shuns apps like they're the plague
[21:28] <fdr87> Gadgetoid: Can it run boxee?
[21:28] * IT_Sean has a 1st gen Apple TV @ home, running Linux / XBMC
[21:29] <Gadgetoid> You can run XBMC on the new AppleTVs too
[21:29] <fdr87> the 1st gen apple tv wasn't worth it
[21:29] <fdr87> boxee is prettier than xbmc
[21:30] <Gadgetoid> Haven't seen one running boxee, not tried myself??? I never use XBMC anyway
[21:30] <IT_Sean> Yes, you can, but, the new ATVs cannot use an external HDD for media storage. the 1st gen can
[21:30] <fdr87> Was it the mac mini servers than had 2 hdds instead of a cd drive? One of these would be nice
[21:32] <plugwash> current mac mini models no longer have a CD drive bay, just two bays for HDDs/SSDs
[21:32] <fdr87> oh cool
[21:32] <fdr87> still pricey as hell though
[21:32] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, I'd love a Mac mini as a server
[21:32] <Gadgetoid> But $$$
[21:33] <Gadgetoid> Then I could game on my iMac without hosing all my streaming media setup
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[21:33] <chancellorsmith> i run xbmc on an atv2, very nice
[21:33] <fdr87> It would be a home server you'd be proud to have on display
[21:33] <chancellorsmith> i will however be putting it on flea bay and replacing with a Pi
[21:33] <Gadgetoid> I had one of the first Mac minis, loved it!
[21:33] <fdr87> chancellorsmith: How much?
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[21:34] <Gadgetoid> chancellorsmith: I suspect XBMC on the Pi will probably end up somewhat better, I didn't play with it much, but it seemed a bit ropey on the ATV
[21:34] <chancellorsmith> atv2? hmmm dunno - 50 quid
[21:34] <Gadgetoid> Plugins failing to download/install and whatnot
[21:34] <fdr87> chancellorsmith: I'll give you 10
[21:34] <chancellorsmith> correct, pi will be a lot better for xbmc
[21:34] <chancellorsmith> 1080 for starters
[21:34] <Gadgetoid> True, that!
[21:34] <chancellorsmith> and none of that jail breaking bollocks
[21:35] <chancellorsmith> scuse language
[21:35] <IT_Sean>
[21:35] * IT_Sean was looking the other way. :p
[21:35] <Gadgetoid> Can certainly see the appeal of all the Pi XBMC, I just wish everyone had waited until??? err??? a year from now :D
[21:36] <Gadgetoid> He said bull hooks!
[21:36] <fdr87> jeez ??849 for a mac mini server
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[21:36] <Gadgetoid> Four candles?
[21:36] * haltdef downloads win8 release preview
[21:36] <haltdef> I sense rage and despair in my future
[21:37] <fdr87> Gadgetoid: Meh, I can imagine a large portion of these would use both linux and xbmc on their pies.
[21:37] <Gadgetoid> haltdef: you sense correctly??? I started up windows 8 and just sat there, staring in disbelief
[21:37] <haltdef> hoping for a lot of changes since consumer preview
[21:37] <fdr87> haltdef: Is this a new release?
[21:37] <Gadgetoid> haltdef: they'd have to have deleted it and started again
[21:38] <haltdef> yea
[21:38] <fdr87> haltdef: How long does it last until it locks you out?
[21:38] <haltdef> I disagree, they just need to make metro disableable
[21:38] <haltdef> I dunno
[21:38] <fdr87> a year?
[21:38] <politoed> yay, pi arrived
[21:38] <haltdef> they're usually quite generous
[21:38] <Gadgetoid> Or, preferably, just deleted it and quietly exited the market
[21:38] <fdr87> haltdef: metro is going to suck until the market is flooded with touchscreen monitors.
[21:39] <haltdef> my desktop will *never* have a touchscreen
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> So we can have fingerprints all over everything.
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> Yay
[21:39] <haltdef> I've used a desktop monitor with a touchscreen, it's not comfortable
[21:39] <fdr87> somethings work really nice with a touch screen
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[21:39] <fdr87> SpeedEvil: They've got special coatings for that
[21:39] <haltdef> I agree, desktops are not one of those things
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[21:39] <fdr87> but as it is, metro doesn't work with a mouse at all
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> fdr87: yes - cover the monitor in butter, and it doesn't get oily anymore.
[21:40] <j00oh> got my order activation code e-mail woop woop :D
[21:40] <fdr87> j00oh: congrats
[21:40] <j00oh> order no. 612xx
[21:40] <j00oh> :D
[21:41] <fdr87> RS?
[21:41] <j00oh> yeah
[21:41] <IT_Sean> bugger. I still haven't gotten mine.
[21:41] <j00oh> theres a massive Rs opposite where i work
[21:41] <ekselkiu> Got mine a couple of days ago but my session timed out yet again.
[21:41] <fdr87> IT_Sean: Probably stolen by the neckbeard at the post office.
[21:41] <ekselkiu> The time-out is stupidly short.
[21:41] <IT_Sean> fdr87: how is a neckbeard postie going to steal an order code?
[21:42] <fdr87> IT_Sean: Oh, I assumed you were waiting for it to arrive.
[21:42] <IT_Sean> no.
[21:42] <fdr87> IT_Sean: Want an RS order code?
[21:42] <IT_Sean> i don't want your code
[21:42] <fdr87> It's free.
[21:43] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: you not got a code yet?
[21:43] <dmsuse> i got one yesterday
[21:43] <IT_Sean> Still waiting for my code
[21:43] <fdr87> IT_Sean: You might be waiting for quite a while.
[21:43] <dmsuse> i only registered in march
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[21:44] <fdr87> I registed on the 1st of march
[21:44] <j00oh> i registered 03 March 2012 23:30
[21:44] <fdr87> IT_Sean: When did you register?
[21:45] <j00oh> and got my activation @ 14:06 today
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> have there been any published numbers of shipments?
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> other than the first 10k
[21:45] <Gadgetoid> Pi day was my birthday??? I should have got one immediately :D
[21:45] <fdr87> SpeedEvil: At least 3 have been shipped
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[21:47] <fdr87> IT_Sean: Well the offer is still on the table if you change your mind.
[21:48] <huene> why are you offering your order code?
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[21:49] <fdr87> huene: Because farnell were quicker. And I don't need two.
[21:49] <huene> oh, you already have on. ok
[21:49] <Gadgetoid> This weeks top topics are rpi at 54 mentions, sd at 61 and usb at 71! XBMC was mentioned more often than Raspbian, but Debian beat both??? this has been your daily digest of useless statistics. Thanks.
[21:49] <huene> nice gesture
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[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> If my bid lasts for this auction, I might be getting Atrix Laptop Dock for really cheap. ^_^
[21:50] * [SLB] hasn't got his yet either
[21:50] <fdr87> huene: Yeah, and if it's not used then the next person in RS's queue just gets one slightly quicker, everybody wins.
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[21:50] <Gadgetoid> GabrialDestruir: ohrly?
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> Yep
[21:51] <fdr87> link?
[21:51] <Kolin> isnt the code tied to your email anyway?
[21:51] <fdr87> I want to outbid you
[21:51] <Gadgetoid> That bloomin' laptop dock is mighty tempting, but it'd just join my ranks of unused technology junk
[21:51] <Gadgetoid> Kolin: Yes, and no
[21:51] <fdr87> Kolin: Yeah, but I'm assuming you can just give them a different one after you punch in the code
[21:51] <GabrialDestruir> But several days til end of auction I doubt I'll keep the top bid for that long.
[21:52] <GabrialDestruir> I think I'd use mine, Gadgetoid, it's the perfect option to turn the Pi into a laptopish type device.
[21:52] <Gadgetoid> GabrialDestruir: That it is
[21:52] <fdr87> GabrialDestruir: No it's not..
[21:52] <GabrialDestruir> Sure it is....
[21:52] <Gadgetoid> But I have a laptopish device already, so it'd be redundant ;D
[21:52] <fdr87> GabrialDestruir: Have you seen the pictures? It's not portable at all.
[21:53] <Gadgetoid> Actually, I have the Pandora??? which is pretty much a Pi with a screen, keyboard and gaming controls
[21:53] <fdr87> Loads of wires trailing everywhere and the pi has to just hang outside
[21:53] <fdr87> Gadgetoid: And a case
[21:53] <GabrialDestruir> Shorter cords, remove the ethernet in favor of wireless, mount the Pi using glue or velcro or something to the back of the screen.
[21:53] <GabrialDestruir> Bam
[21:53] <Gadgetoid> fdr87: If you get no other takers for your code, you could force me to take it ;)
[21:53] <GabrialDestruir> Portability
[21:53] <Gadgetoid> fdr87: Ah yes,??? and a case??? it'd be a bit messy without one
[21:53] <Gadgetoid> Although I'd struggle to call it a case, since mine is held together with electrical tape
[21:54] <fdr87> Gadgetoid: You already have one :P
[21:54] <Gadgetoid> fdr87: Ahh, but I have plans, mu ha ha, HA HA!
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[21:54] <GabrialDestruir> Actually, I already have a laptop, I want the laptop dock, because it'd give me a way to screw around on my Pi without being stuck using my TV
[21:54] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[21:55] <Gadgetoid> GabrialDestruir: totally feel you there, although VNC/SSH are working well for me I still have to fire up the TV to test my boot script
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[21:55] <GabrialDestruir> Plus...
[21:55] <fdr87> Gadgetoid: Okay, I'll forward it to you.
[21:55] <GabrialDestruir> since I have an atrix I'm currently using
[21:55] <GabrialDestruir> Two for one :p
[21:56] <[SLB]> i'd be interested if no one else has the priority, i don't have a pi yet
[21:56] <Gadgetoid> ^
[21:56] <fdr87> [SLB]: PM email
[21:56] <[SLB]> thanks
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[21:57] <reallyrose> Hello!
[21:57] <coolpot> anyone got a link to a compiled easy version of XBMC? :P pref with the common addons! ive spent farr too logn now with different versions differnet things are broken :(!
[21:57] <IT_Sean> o/
[21:57] <Gadgetoid> It should be noted that my plans are a little scatterbrained, but I have a list as long as friday of devs who I want to bludgeon repeatedly with a Pi
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[21:58] <Gadgetoid> And Matthias Hullen should get one just for being awesome
[22:00] <fdr87> who
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[22:00] <SpeedEvil> Fabrice Bellard.
[22:00] <Gadgetoid> The guy who created the Retrode :D
[22:00] <fdr87> the what
[22:01] <IT_Sean> exactly.
[22:01] <Gadgetoid> A retro game cart/controller adaptor that makes people who grew up with the SNES/SMD giggle with delight
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[22:01] <fdr87> well anyway, IT_Sean missed out, [SLB] has the code now. To do what he/she wishes with.
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[22:01] <IT_Sean> I didn't miss out. I didn't want your code.
[22:01] <Gadgetoid> The one piece of hardware which, when combined with a Pi, will create an item that transcends space and time and creates beams of pure wonderful awesome
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[22:02] <fdr87> is it cheap?
[22:02] <Gadgetoid> Actually kind-of nice that so many folks give away codes here, keep the Pi juice flowing or something
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[22:03] <Gadgetoid> fdr87: Nope :(
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[22:03] <reallyrose> I got my Pi in the post today :)
[22:03] <Gadgetoid> fdr87: If you care, I wrote a history here: http://www.gadgetoid.com/2012/01/31/from-snega2usb-to-retrode-2/
[22:03] <fdr87> Gadgetoid: Yeah, people were selling them on ebay weren't they?
[22:04] <Gadgetoid> fdr87: yes, although that's their prerogative and if someone's buying then more power to them
[22:04] <fdr87> Oh god why would you want to use the original carts?
[22:04] <reallyrose> I got it early as a surprise present, I'd expect to have time to do some reading and work out what to do with one first. So I haven't a clue what to do!
[22:04] <Gadgetoid> fdr87: nostalgic masochism
[22:04] <Gadgetoid> http://www.gadgetoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mainboard-final.jpg I want a black Pi :D :D :D
[22:05] <fdr87> The best console I ever had was the original xbox with xbmc, and all the emulators for snes etc.
[22:05] <tech2077> Gadgetoid, YES!
[22:05] <fdr87> I stuck a 250gb hdd inside
[22:05] <Gadgetoid> That black mainboard makes me cream buckets
[22:06] <fdr87> what's the point? It's going to have to be in a case anyway, otherwise you're liable to break connectors off.
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[22:07] <Gadgetoid> fdr87: transparent case :D
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[22:07] <fdr87> tacky
[22:07] <fdr87> transparent cases went out of fashion 10+ years ago.
[22:08] <Gadgetoid> Pfft??? fashion??? what are you, a teenage girl?
[22:08] <fdr87> My little brother had a gameboy advance with a transparent case
[22:08] <Gadgetoid> I wouldn't know fashion if it sat on my face and sang the national anthem
[22:08] <IT_Sean> which national anthem?
[22:08] <Gadgetoid> IT_Sean: There's more than one!?
[22:08] <fdr87> god save the queen of course
[22:08] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[22:09] <tech2077> heh
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[22:10] <Kolin> The flower of scotland!
[22:10] * SpeedEvil hits Kolin with a thistle.
[22:10] <fdr87> there's flowers in scotland?
[22:10] * gordonDrogon waves.
[22:10] <Kolin> just thistles fdr87
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> Mmmm Thistles.
[22:11] <fdr87> thistles and whisky
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> Thistles dipped in whisky.
[22:11] <fdr87> don't be gross
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/thistle.jpg
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> that's a photo I took about 25 years ago..
[22:12] <fdr87> thistles dipped in batter and deep fried and then served with a nice single malt
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> don't think scanning technology was quite up to it when I scanned it..
[22:12] <Gadgetoid> fdr87: "dipped in batter and deep fried' is implied with anything relating to Scotland
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[22:12] <neure> hi
[22:12] <IT_Sean> 'ello
[22:12] <neure> i just got my raspberry pi :)
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo.
[22:12] <DaQatz> Grats
[22:12] <IT_Sean> congrats
[22:13] <fdr87> gordonDrogon: Looks cool, it's got a very nice film texture to it.
[22:13] <neure> i havent setup my sdcard yet tho
[22:13] <neure> how do i do that?
[22:13] <Gadgetoid> Anyone I know who's even slightly Scottish in decent, likes deep-fried like they like oxygen
[22:13] <neure> i've downloaded some image
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> I'm Scottish... I can live without deep fried stuff.
[22:13] <fdr87> neure: do you have a pc with an sdcard reader?
[22:13] <IT_Sean> neure: write the disk image to the SD card
[22:13] <neure> i have
[22:13] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: true that, probably a good 20 years longer :D
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, at least 30!
[22:14] <neure> should i do that in windows? i also have ubuntu 12.04 in virtualbox
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[22:14] <fdr87> neure: windows, mac or linux?
[22:14] <fdr87> neure: There's both windows and linux options
[22:14] <Gadgetoid> We tried to get a local pizza place to deep fry us a pizza, dissapointment :(
[22:14] <neure> i got windows 7 .. and like i said i have ubuntu 12.04 in vbox
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> neure, probably best to do it in the native OS of the machine.
[22:14] <Gadgetoid> They thought we were pranking them!
[22:14] <neure> ok
[22:14] <neure> how do i do with windows?
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, My first pizza was deep fried!
[22:14] <fdr87> neure: win32 disk imager
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[22:14] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I've never had one??? never??? *cries*
[22:15] <neure> thanks. downloading now
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, you are not missing anything. I think it wa one of those horrible little frozen ones... and this was probably >35 year ago
[22:15] <Kolin> thee great!
[22:16] <fdr87> Don't EVER attempt to deep-fry at home.. Your home will stink of oil for a month
[22:16] <DaQatz> I deep fry at home.
[22:16] <DaQatz> Not an issue I have.
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[22:16] <Kolin> dosent everyone deep fry at home?
[22:16] <DaQatz> Use the right oil
[22:16] <Kolin> how the hell are you supposed to make chips?
[22:17] <IT_Sean> you aren't supposed to use motor oil, fdr87
[22:17] <IT_Sean> I TOLD you
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a deep fat frier...
[22:17] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: How did you go from the extreme north to the extreme south?
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> nor a chip pan..
[22:17] <fdr87> the recipe didn't specify
[22:17] <DaQatz> Well if you use say soybean oil
[22:17] <DaQatz> That stinks
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, by train, and car mostly...
[22:17] <Kolin> lard!
[22:17] <DaQatz> Peanut oil smells strong too, but use great for frying
[22:18] <fdr87> what about rape seed oil?
[22:18] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: But??? what about the wall!? Can medieval nights and cyberpunks just stroll from Scotland into England now!?
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, however the answer your probably looking for is that 25 year ago someone in Gloucestershre offered to double my salary if I went to work for them, so I did ...
[22:18] <DaQatz> fdr87: Rape seed AKA canola oil is good
[22:18] <DaQatz> I prefer it, but I like to add a little beef fat
[22:19] <neure> "An error occurred when attempting to lock the volume. Error 5: Access is denied."
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, so I left Edinburgh and headed south... moved to Bristol shorty after that to a better company, etc.
[22:19] <fdr87> DaQatz: canola is a canadian thing.
[22:19] <DaQatz> I'm in the US
[22:19] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Ah, out to seek your fortune type of thing!
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> I always thought canola was corn oil..
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[22:19] <fdr87> canola = candian oil, low acid.
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, something like that .. doesn't seem to have happened though ;-)
[22:19] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Ahh, life :D
[22:19] <fdr87> gordonDrogon: Nah, it's rape, or field mustard
[22:20] <Gadgetoid> Anyone who didn't get the cyberpunks reference needs to endure this awful film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0483607/
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:20] <DaQatz> I'm in the US canola oil is very common here.
[22:20] <DaQatz> And some is from the US too.
[22:20] <Gadgetoid> It's so bad, they actually invented new categories to judge films upon, just so they could fail in them
[22:20] <fdr87> Some people just don't like to say the word rape for some reason
[22:20] <DaQatz> Yeah it is rape seed oil
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> we grow plenty of it here - not need to import )-:
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, anyway, 10 year ago I headed west to Devon :)
[22:21] <fdr87> west country ftw
[22:21] <fdr87> somerset > devon
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> fdr87, your in devonshire too?
[22:21] <fdr87> nope
[22:23] <IT_Sean> errrrf... why you no worrrk!??
[22:23] * IT_Sean wants to get these boards working before EOB today!!!
[22:23] <IT_Sean> ... and they are not cooperating!
[22:23] <coolpot> boards?
[22:23] <fdr87> Have you tried turning them off and on again?
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[22:23] <fdr87> coolpot: surf boards
[22:23] <IT_Sean> coolpot: i work for a company that makes devices.
[22:23] <DaQatz> Someone has been watching The IT Crowd
[22:24] <fdr87> Is it still running?
[22:24] <haltdef> so, win8 release preview
[22:24] <haltdef> it's still broken
[22:25] <fdr87> broken how?
[22:25] <else-> is there no arm-cross-compiler for debian available?
[22:25] <haltdef> ugly carcrash of two UIs
[22:25] <fdr87> else-: There is.
[22:25] <Gadgetoid> haltdef: Hahaha, you think? :D
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[22:25] <else-> fdr87: what's the package's name?
[22:25] <haltdef> was hoping they'd have mended it
[22:26] <Gadgetoid> Just switch to linux, and you get an ugly car-crash of one UI
[22:26] <Gadgetoid> Or OSX??? where you might find the UI amongst all the tech demos
[22:26] <haltdef> nah I'll stick with win7
[22:26] <fdr87> open embedded?
[22:27] <haltdef> though I really should try linux again, it's been a delight on the server so far
[22:27] <Gadgetoid> I have to tolerate win7, one of the downsides of accidentally knowing how to program in DotNet
[22:27] <haltdef> recently migrated to debian from win2k8r2
[22:27] <Gadgetoid> haltdef: Linux on a server = absolutely fantastic. On the desktop it's just masochism
[22:27] <fdr87> Gadgetoid: Tolerate? win7 is quite good
[22:27] <haltdef> that's pretty much my experience
[22:27] <Teebor> Linux hates me, every time I use it the thing goes wrong or crashes :)
[22:27] <DaQatz> Gadgetoid: I disagree.
[22:27] <Gadgetoid> fdr87: It's a lot better than anything before it, but I'd say "good" is a bit of a stretch
[22:28] <fdr87> Every year for the past 5 has been the next year of the desktop linux.. it never happens
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[22:28] <Gadgetoid> 5?
[22:28] <fdr87> Gadgetoid: multitasking is really nice
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> one of the issues is that there are several desktops to choose from, then there are several distros with their own ideas how to setup those desktops ...
[22:28] <coolpot> IT_Sean, what do you do?
[22:28] <fdr87> coolpot: He runs a beach hut
[22:28] <coolpot> like make the software for the boards?
[22:28] <coolpot> :p
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> I've been using unix or unix-like systems on my "desktop" for 30 years now...
[22:28] <fdr87> and sells surf boards
[22:28] <Gadgetoid> I still remember insert-random-crappy-linux-the-name-of-which-i-forgot shamelessly copying Windows 98
[22:29] <fdr87> Gadgetoid: haiku?
[22:29] <Gadgetoid> And gordonDrogon used linux to plan his cave drawings!
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, absolutley - with xfig!
[22:29] <IT_Sean> coolpot: Customer support, device testing, and QA
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[22:29] <gordonDrogon> it has always boild down to just needing screens full of xterms for me ...
[22:29] <fdr87> Gadgetoid: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/BeOS_Desktop.png ?
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> I don't really need anything "shiny" ...
[22:30] <Gadgetoid> fdr87: Nah, it wasn't BeOS, BeOS was awesome in a not-quite-so-awesome but hey-I'm-the-underdog-love-me sort of way
[22:30] <mkopack> BeOS! I knew somebody who had a BeBox for a short time
[22:30] <Gadgetoid> Ah, it was probably??? Lindows..
[22:30] <Gadgetoid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._Lindows
[22:30] <fdr87> mint?
[22:31] <mkopack> There were some really interesting ideas in BeOS
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[22:31] <mkopack> a lot of people were really hopeful that Apple would buy them and use that as the MacOS back in the day
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[22:31] <DaQatz> lindows was a crappy linux distro that tossed in a poor windows like UI, and wine. And called it innvoation.
[22:31] <Gadgetoid> DaQatz: pretty much bang on the money there
[22:31] * SpeedEvil imagines Bephone.
[22:32] <fdr87> DaQatz: Isn't that what kde is?
[22:32] <neure> is there no power switch?
[22:32] <neure> i dont see one
[22:32] <neure> do i just pull out the power?
[22:32] <Gadgetoid> *shudder* KDE, because that 32GB of RAM isn't going to use itself!
[22:32] <DaQatz> neure: There is no power switch
[22:32] <fdr87> neure: Power switches are usually located with the power supply, and as the rpi doesn't come with one...
[22:32] <haltdef> KDE was my favourite back when I used linux
[22:32] <IT_Sean> There is no power switch
[22:32] <haltdef> gentoo as well, insane in the mind
[22:33] <DaQatz> I use gentoo, but not a kde fan.
[22:33] <neure> ok wish me luck im going to try to boot it now
[22:33] <fdr87> neure: ignore the errors
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[22:34] <fdr87> gordonDrogon: So you get no errors at all with the ultra?
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> fdr87, not yet... (assuming the SD card)
[22:35] <neure> fdr, i get mmc0 timeouts
[22:35] <neure> are they normal?
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> fdr87, kernel is from the bootc github, compiled up myself: Linux pi0 3.2.18+ #3 PREEMPT Sun May 27 12:05:58 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[22:35] <bootc> gordonDrogon: did you have to revert that commit I mentioned at all?
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> Oh hello. Er, no. I've not done any checkouts since the first one.
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[22:36] <neure> i think my boot is stuck in mmc0 timeouts :(
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[22:36] <bootc> gordonDrogon: interesting, thanks - just a data point
[22:36] <fdr87> neure: Just let it do it's thing.
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[22:37] <fdr87> neure: They happen to everyone.
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> my kingston SD cards would give a few pages of errors on boot, then finally say it couldn't access the status registe then carry on as normal after that with no more errors.
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> with the same kernel.
[22:37] <sraue> bootc, you have seen my comment in your blog?
[22:37] <bootc> sraue: didn't realise that was you, but yes - thanks
[22:38] <bootc> I just don't know if reverting the commit will cause issues for other people
[22:38] <sraue> maybe my patch to revert this is a bit messy... but it works
[22:38] <bootc> 'git revert 84045e4' would have done it :-)
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[22:38] <sraue> bootc, if you want i can ship testbuilds of openelec with this, then we see who is whining
[22:39] <bootc> if you're willing to give that a go that would be most helpful
[22:39] <neure> so how long it can take to boot?
[22:39] <sraue> then i do this and reort to you
[22:39] <sraue> report
[22:39] <neure> so mmc0 errors are ok?
[22:39] <fdr87> neure: Yup
[22:39] <neure> :(
[22:39] <bootc> I particularly want to know the ratios of people who notice little difference, those who find it better with the commit and those who find it better without
[22:40] <neure> can that be fixed?
[22:40] <neure> is the cause known?
[22:40] <fdr87> neure: As with all things rpi, it's a work in progress.
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[22:41] <bootc> neure: mmc errors during boot that then disappear can be ignored in most cases
[22:41] <sraue> bootc for me personally it was not really possible to boot with this commit, the sdcard driver has needed up to 1.5min to load
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[22:47] <fdr87> [SLB]: Was the order successful?
[22:47] <GabrialDestruir> This sucks.... I wish I knew about humble bundle last year.
[22:47] <[SLB]> yes fdr87 thanks :) also added a hdmi cable eheh
[22:47] <[SLB]> just done thanks again
[22:48] <fdr87> no prob
[22:48] <[SLB]> says delivery in 6 weeks
[22:48] <fdr87> probably a gross overestimate
[22:48] <[SLB]> eheh
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> tomorow!
[22:49] <[SLB]> i'm in italy if that matters, it shouldn't take that long hopefully, but still, better than 3 more months :3
[22:50] <Gadgetoid> Maintaining ASP code is like being punched repeatedly in the face by a laughing bear, riding a unicycle made of tears
[22:51] <neure> still booting :(
[22:51] <fdr87> bears don't laugh
[22:51] <neure> is it supposed to take 10+ minutes?
[22:52] <Teebor> if bears don't laugh how do you know they got the joke?
[22:52] <fdr87> Teebor: they grin
[22:52] <fdr87> but that could also be a sign of agression
[22:52] <Teebor> that could just mean they are going to eat you, but then again they might after the joke
[22:53] <fdr87> I think if the joke is good enough then it won't eat you
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[22:55] <fdr87> ahh finally some breathing room
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[22:58] <Adya> Good evening:)
[22:58] <fdr87> oh no
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[22:58] <Adya> What?
[22:58] <Gadgetoid> Bears laugh when they're trying to illustrate a point about ASP
[22:58] <fdr87> how's the website?
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[22:59] <fdr87> hmm
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[23:00] <Gadgetoid> Pi hosting works great until you turn it off
[23:00] <neure> where is latest image?
[23:00] <neure> looks like my image is a bit old
[23:00] <Gadgetoid> And cloudflare keeps displaying a "website is down" message until someone presses "retry for a live version"
[23:00] <Gadgetoid> Reet, cup o' tea time!
[23:00] <Teebor> I noticed wheezy has some sort of cloud feature available, reckon you could do that with a couple of pi's?
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[23:02] <neure> no-one got updated image ?(
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[23:05] <fdr87> neure: for what?
[23:06] <fdr87> damn, I just created an amazing new condiment
[23:06] <mkopack> ?
[23:06] <fdr87> It's a mix between french mustard and horseradish
[23:06] <DDave> old...
[23:06] <DDave> it rocks right? :D
[23:07] <fdr87> I'm going to call it mustadish
[23:07] <DaQatz> fdr87: They are a good mix
[23:07] <mkopack> French Mustard? (is that spicy / brown or yellow?)
[23:07] <fdr87> mkopack: all of the above
[23:07] <DaQatz> fdr87: Try ground Jalapeno, Mustard, and Wasabi
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[23:07] <DaQatz> Tis a good mix too.
[23:07] <fdr87> DaQatz: wasabi is very expensive though
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[23:08] <Byan> I have my RPI
[23:08] <Byan> got it today
[23:08] <Byan> thinking about selling
[23:08] <DaQatz> Really? I normally manage to get it cheap\
[23:08] <fdr87> the wasabi you get in paste form is just horseradish and food dye
[23:08] <DaQatz> No powder
[23:08] <DaQatz> Not paste
[23:08] <fdr87> real wasabi is grated fresh, because it loses it's flavour almost instantly
[23:09] <fdr87> Byan: why?
[23:09] <Byan> DaQatz: chances are that every sushi restaraunt you've been to has had 0 wasabi
[23:09] <Byan> fdr87: IDK, don't need it right away, and could make $50+?
[23:09] <Byan> I wish it could do mpeg2 =/
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> I've tried growing horseradish - not with any success though.
[23:09] <fdr87> it can do mpeg2
[23:09] <fdr87> just not through the gpu
[23:10] <DaQatz> gordonDrogon: Once you get it going, it's hard to kill.
[23:10] <Byan> .. yes, and it can also do 4k2k
[23:10] <Byan> and 10bit h.264
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> DaQatz, that's what I've been told!
[23:10] <Byan> just not through the gpu.. which means it really can't
[23:10] <Teebor> fdr87 - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wow-Wow-horseradish-mustard-relish-/130675323820?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Food_SM&hash=item1e6cdb33ac
[23:10] <fdr87> bastards stole my idea
[23:10] <Teebor> Tastes great :D
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> Ah. BuyItNows on ebay are down to ?55...
[23:11] <ReggieUK> Language fdr87!
[23:11] <Byan> fdr87: I want to watch OTA 1080p mpeg2 broadcasts
[23:11] <DaQatz> fdr87: They are very good idea thieves. Being that they managed to steal it before you invented it.
[23:11] <fdr87> Byan: move to a country that doesn't broadcast 1080p on outdated codecs then
[23:11] <fdr87> DaQatz: Time travellers!
[23:12] <Byan> almost all countries have mpeg2 on some broadcasts fdr87
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> RS codes ?9.99
[23:12] <fdr87> Eugh.. why .99?? WHY NOT SAY ??10.. God I hate that
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[23:13] <Teebor> am debating buying another pi from RS
[23:13] <fdr87> no, I don't want a sodding penny change thank you very much
[23:13] <Teebor> not sure what I would use it for
[23:13] <fdr87> Teebor: home server
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> haha - someone on ebay is asking ?175 for theirs!
[23:13] <fdr87> gordonDrogon: good luck to 'em
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[23:13] <haltdef> could buy a far better board at that price
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> fdr87, quite - when there is one for ?50.
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[23:14] <fdr87> ReggieUK: Next time I'll mispell so it doesn't alert you :P
[23:15] <fdr87> Joke btw ^
[23:15] <fdr87> Don't kick me!
[23:15] <Teebor> I'm using my current (or plan to) to allow me to WoL my home gear when I want to use different things
[23:16] <fdr87> the pi can't do wol
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[23:17] <Teebor> really? all it needs to do is send a packet to a mac address
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[23:17] <fdr87> I mean to recieve
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> at under 5 watts, it's probably consuming less than most PCs on standby...
[23:18] <Teebor> aww no, its not going to recieve. its permanently on as its a low power device. I will then use it to wake my big machines
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[23:18] <fdr87> good luck keeping it permenantly on when it crashes every 5 minutes
[23:18] <Teebor> i before e except after c Teebor, tut tut
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> fdr87, My Pi's don't crash...
[23:19] <Teebor> its survived me abusing it all day today :D although I did kinda kill raspbian so I'm reinstalling it atm
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> ... except when I force them to ):
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> although I think its now not my code that's causing them to crash :)
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[23:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> I need a spare Pi so I can clock an uptime better than 3 dyas
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[23:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or days, even
[23:21] <JaLu> Why do you only have an uptime of 3 days
[23:21] <JaLu> Perseverance is the key
[23:21] <fdr87> JaLu: it crashes
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[23:22] <JaLu> Yeah I missed the beginning of the convo lol
[23:22] <JaLu> Just chiming in :p
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[23:22] <fdr87> I always give srv.datagutt1.com a quick check before joining
[23:24] * noobhands slaps Teebor
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> 22:23:27 up 1312 days, 29 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> not a Pi though...
[23:25] <fdr87> I was going to say...
[23:25] <fakker> 21:23:55 up 1 day, 4:30 for my Pi
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[23:25] <amstan_> i have a prompt!
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> no reason I Pi should crash under normal circumstances.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> amstan_, first one? woohoo :)
[23:26] <amstan_> ya
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[23:26] <amstan_> i didn't know it was on RCA first
[23:26] <amstan_> i was expecting it on HDMI
[23:26] <amstan_> is there a tutorial on the archlinux for the rpi?
[23:26] <fdr87> no
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> if HDMI isn't plugged in, it will default to compost video.
[23:26] <amstan_> like what the default user is and all that?
[23:27] <amstan_> gordonDrogon: but it is
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> if it's debian then login as pi, password raspberry.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> amstan_, Pi isn't detecting that it's plugged in then.
[23:27] <amstan_> gordonDrogon: perhaps the cable
[23:27] * Milos|Netbook_ (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[23:27] <amstan_> ok, root:root seems to work
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> not Debian then.
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[23:31] <fdr87> who does wiiguy belong to?
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> himself?
[23:32] <fdr87> no
[23:32] <fdr87> it never talks
[23:32] <fdr87> it only joins and leaves
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[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> freezer, it's pg13 here, please avoid profanity.
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[23:33] <fdr87> wow
[23:33] <nemo> gordonDrogon: http://mozilla.debian.net/ yaaaaay
[23:33] <nemo> gordonDrogon: I'm gonna try that right now!
[23:33] <nemo> here's hoping they have armel
[23:33] <fdr87> ShiftPlusOne: we've already been over this.
[23:33] <ShiftPlusOne> fdr87, welcome back (ish)
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[23:34] * fakker slaps ShiftPlusOne
[23:34] <fakker> +1
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[23:34] <fdr87> back? I never left.
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> have you? I am going through the chat logs and it doesn't seem like it has been over
[23:35] <fdr87> ShiftPlusOne: it_sean got involved
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> fdr87, not according to the ban list
[23:36] <fdr87> ShiftPlusOne well he kind of glossed over it and instead pounced on me
[23:36] <fdr87> for telling freezer to watch out
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> zed time
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> laters
[23:37] <fakker> piless got banned?
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right, different time
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> fdr87, it wasn't a one time thing
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> fakker, yes and no... yes, he did, but no he's still around.
[23:38] <fdr87> like a ghost?
[23:39] <fakker> ah well
[23:39] <fdr87> fakker: why do you ask?
[23:40] <fakker> just a question, someone i had seen in here
[23:40] <ShiftPlusOne> fakker, you're talking to him
[23:40] <fakker> oh
[23:40] <fakker> how's BK?
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[23:41] <teKuru> Evening
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[23:41] <fdr87> bk?
[23:42] <fakker> /facepalm
[23:42] <fakker> i want my tshirt, and i want it in size FAT
[23:42] <fdr87> would that be fat xl or fat xxl sir?
[23:42] <ShiftPlusOne> don't you start again >_<
[23:43] <neure> fdr87, debian or some other with latest firmware
[23:43] <Teebor> S M L XL XXL XXXL Darts Player - > FAT?
[23:43] <nemo> gordonDrogon: damn. no armel :-/
[23:43] <neure> fdr87, see http://www.element14.com/community/message/51493?tstart=0#51493
[23:43] <fdr87> neure: You should try raspbian.
[23:43] <fakker> Darts players are losing weight - i want the biggest you can get
[23:43] <neure> fdr87, where do i get that?
[23:43] <fdr87> www.raspbian.org
[23:45] <Teebor> Andy Fordham has never been the same since loosing weight. Darts Players are meant to be fat
[23:45] <fdr87> And drinking
[23:46] <teKuru> Does the Pi work using a hdmi -> dvi cable? I have an "amazon basics" cable kicking around which works for the pandaboard but not for the Pi
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[23:46] <des2> yes
[23:47] <WHERES-MY-TSHIRT> DID SOMEBODY MENTION TSHIRT????
[23:47] <Teebor> I have that cable, works fine
[23:47] <urs> teKuru: it should. I'm using it with an adapter.
[23:47] <fdr87> oh dear
[23:47] <GabrialDestruir> Well this sucks... apparently there's no way to buy old humble bundles.... lol
[23:47] <des2> hdmi to dvi is just rerouting pins.
[23:47] <WHERES-MY-TSHIRT> WHERES MY TSHIRT?
[23:47] <fdr87> GabrialDestruir: Of course there isn't.. The whole point of the idea is that it's a SALE.
[23:47] <fakker> Teebor, you're using HDMI>DVI?
[23:47] <teKuru> I didn't think there would be any reason
[23:47] <des2> No onve the bundle is done its done.
[23:47] <des2> Which bundle did you want to buy ?
[23:47] <Teebor> Grabrial, nope you buy them when they are released. sometimes if you pay more than the average they chuck in a previous bundle towards the end of the time and you get that too
[23:48] <WHERES-MY-TSHIRT> I BOUGHT THE BUNDLE WITH THE TSHIRT
[23:48] <GabrialDestruir> Yea well that sucks xD
[23:48] <WHERES-MY-TSHIRT> IN SIZE FAT
[23:48] <neure> when was pisces image made?
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[23:48] <GabrialDestruir> Cause I want the original android bundle... it'd be awesome.
[23:48] <des2> Yes as Teebor points out sometimes at the end they throw in the previous bundle as a bonus.
[23:48] <fdr87> WHERES-MY-TSHIRT: Call the hotline
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[23:48] <WHERES-MY-TSHIRT> 1-800-TSHIRT ?
[23:49] <fdr87> neure: quite recently.
[23:49] <fdr87> neure: the other day?
[23:49] <Teebor> oh right, no you will have to wait until they do another android bundle and then hope they throw in the previous one. I bought both android bundles so far, the games are good ;)
[23:49] <fdr87> the android bundle sucked
[23:49] <neure> sounds good
[23:49] <neure> takes still 17 minutes to download though :(
[23:49] <fdr87> If you can't redeem it on the android market it then you might aswell be pirating the apk
[23:50] <WHERES-MY-TSHIRT> ANYBODY DOWNLOAD THE TSHIRT LOCATING APP?
[23:50] <GabrialDestruir> How is it pirating if you paid for it? That's silly.
[23:50] <Teebor> you got steam codes for the full games then you use the humblebundle app to maintain and download the apps ;)
[23:50] <Teebor> for you phone
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[23:50] * ChanServ sets mode +o ReggieUK
[23:50] <fdr87> GabrialDestruir: No I mean, you might aswell be pirating it. You don't get any automatic updates.
[23:51] <Teebor> yes you do
[23:51] <Teebor> they update either through the play store, or via the humble bundle app
[23:51] <nemo> gordonDrogon: yay. mh says that they have IceWeasel 10 in backports \o/
[23:51] <fdr87> I tried the app, I don't want another layer.
[23:51] <WHERES-MY-TSHIRT> YOU WANT A IPHONE BRO
[23:51] <fdr87> Teebor: They don't update through the play store.
[23:51] <GabrialDestruir> Well either way... it sucks cause I can't get the original android bundle with all the good games in it xD
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[23:52] <Teebor> all mine do :)
[23:52] <WHERES-MY-TSHIRT> TSHIRTTTT
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[23:52] <fdr87> GabrialDestruir: Yeah you can, you just buy them individually.
[23:52] <amstan_> darn, i enabled hdmi and now my usb keyboards don't work anymore
[23:52] <GabrialDestruir> I meant at a less expensive price. lol
[23:52] <Teebor> Is there a slim web browser that works in raspian? it only needs basic features
[23:52] <fdr87> Teebor: No, you need to buy it through the play store for it to update it, if you sideload the apk (as with the humble bundle) then it's not linked to the play store
[23:53] <nid0> i'm sure lynx will work in raspian
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[23:53] <nid0> they dont come much slimmer
[23:53] <neure> Teebor, have you tried links?
[23:53] <fdr87> Except that the web without images isn't much of a web
[23:53] <neure> im not sure if wget counts as "browser"
[23:53] <amstan_> fuck.. it was the update
[23:53] <fdr87> amstan_ shhh
[23:54] <amstan_> fdr87: i'm sorry
[23:54] <ReggieUK> language amstan_
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[23:56] <amstan_> so there was this problem with the hwids package
[23:56] <Teebor> well thats messed up, identifies the games as being installed in play and gives me an update option. But doesn't actually work. ok I will give you that one then :P
[23:56] <amstan_> it wanted to replace some files that were not managed by the package manager
[23:56] <amstan_> so i made it do it
[23:56] <amstan_> i think that's what broke it
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[23:57] <DaQatz> neure: You're in Bangor?
[23:57] <neure> no
[23:57] <neure> im in cambridge
[23:57] <fdr87> Teebor: Yeah, that's the only issue I have with it. The play store really needs coupon codes.
[23:57] <Teebor> @neure, not tried links. I will give it a go now
[23:57] <DaQatz> Oh hmm ok, just see another neure That got their piu today in Bangor
[23:58] <neure> thats neat, i've never ever noticed another neure :D
[23:58] <Teebor> still can't believe I bought a game called "snuggle truck"
[23:58] <DaQatz> http://rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/index.php
[23:58] <neure> and ive been on irc since 1995
[23:58] <fdr87> Teebor: From the recent sale?
[23:58] <Teebor> dunno which sale it was in, but it came from one of them
[23:58] <des2> If this trucks a rockin' don't come a knockin'
[23:58] <fdr87> Teebor: It's supposed to be quite good
[23:59] <fdr87> shagvan
[23:59] <Teebor> might be, but do you really want to get caught playing a game called snuggle truck?
[23:59] <DaQatz> Never met another Qatz on irc either. I've been on here since a little before 95 as well.
[23:59] <fdr87> cut the rope is my favourite game though
[23:59] <Teebor> hehe I can play that for hours :D

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