#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-01

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[0:00] <fdr87> There needs to be more portrait layout games.
[0:00] <fdr87> Teebor: experiements too
[0:00] <neure> ngage had portrait games
[0:00] <Teebor> I've not tried that one. Is it better than the original/
[0:01] <fdr87> Teebor: It's exactly the same, except new mechanics, new puzzles
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[0:01] <fdr87> Teebor: It's more of an expansion than a replacement
[0:02] <fdr87> It only has 6 worlds at the moment though, compared to 11 on the original
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[0:03] <nemo> gordonDrogon: oh. more specifically, IceWeasel 10 will be in *main* backports once a bugfix lands.
[0:04] <nemo> gordonDrogon: although Mike said that it is in 12 that the real memory gains appear :-/
[0:04] <nemo> *sigh*
[0:04] <tzvi> anyone else having random network drops?
[0:04] <fdr87> tzarc: Are you using the usb when this happens?
[0:04] <fdr87> *tzvi
[0:05] <Teebor> @fdr87 i shall check it out, but I'm spending a lot of money on games this month
[0:05] <fdr87> sorry tzarc, ignore that
[0:05] <tzvi> fdr87, yes, for mouse and keyboard
[0:05] <fdr87> Teebor: Yeah I hate that all the purchases are individual.
[0:05] <nemo> tzvi: not me personally, but if fdr87's theory is reasonable, you might want to try a powered USB hub for the mouse/keyboard :)
[0:05] <nemo> tzvi: that did help a lot w/ me.
[0:06] <nemo> (and my keyboard probs)
[0:06] <tzvi> ah ok thanks
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[0:06] <fdr87> tzvi: the ethernet shares the usb hub with the usb ports. So if you're maxing out the usb connection then I guess you might get ethernet drops
[0:06] <Teebor> ah right since we are on the subject, is that likely to be the same reason why my keyb stops working when I load a desktop environment on my pi?
[0:07] <fdr87> Teebor: no idea
[0:07] <tzvi> Teebor, I have that with my mouse
[0:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Teebor, same issue here... a lot of people have it.
[0:08] <Teebor> not to sound horrible but oh good. not just me then :)
[0:08] <PhonicUK> hey all
[0:08] <PhonicUK> anything interesting going on?
[0:08] <fdr87> nope
[0:09] <PhonicUK> hmm
[0:09] <PhonicUK> im using my phone as a gyromouse for my PC
[0:09] <PhonicUK> i wonder if i can reverse engineer the protocol to write a client for my Pi
[0:10] <nemo> PhonicUK: Linux or Windows PC?
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[0:10] <PhonicUK> windows
[0:10] <PhonicUK> the client is closed source
[0:10] <fdr87> client name?
[0:10] <PhonicUK> or rather server, and the phone is the client
[0:10] <PhonicUK> Sensor Mouse - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=PangaeaSolution.SensorMouse&hl=en
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[0:12] <fdr87> PhonicUK: http://gentlenav.googlecode.com/files/DCMDraft2.pdf
[0:12] <nemo> PhonicUK: RemoteDroid.net is cross-platform
[0:12] <nemo> PhonicUK: that would probably be an easier client to port
[0:12] <nemo> PhonicUK: assuming you didn't want to just use theirs
[0:12] <PhonicUK> will remotedroid behave as a gyro mouse?
[0:13] * nemo shrugs
[0:13] <neure> hmm it takes a while to write the image to sdcard :(
[0:13] <nemo> PhonicUK: surely extending the protocol wouldn't be a big deal though :)
[0:13] <neure> writing at 8MB/s ...
[0:13] <nemo> PhonicUK: I mean, it isn't like android makes it hard to access the sensors
[0:13] <PhonicUK> indeed
[0:13] <nemo> PhonicUK: hell, when you get down to it, it is even exposed to javascript so you could probably write a client using websockets
[0:14] <nemo> erm. heck? sorries.
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[0:14] <nemo> anyway.
[0:14] <PhonicUK> first im'na see if i can make sense of this protocol
[0:14] <nemo> PhonicUK: just saying, rather than trying to work out what they did, might be easier to make your own :)
[0:14] <fdr87> PhonicUK: What about this? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cyclops.mouse&hl=en
[0:14] <PhonicUK> fdr87, server depends on java
[0:14] <nemo> PhonicUK: 'cause even once you unwrap the protocol you'd still have to hook it up to the X/gpm mouse or add a new mouse device
[0:15] <nemo> PhonicUK: there's java on the pi
[0:15] <PhonicUK> nemo, I'd cheat and just manipulate the cursor position
[0:15] <PhonicUK> nemo, its too heavy a dependency IMO
[0:15] <nemo> PhonicUK: point is, doesn't seem like the protocol is the hard part
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[0:15] <nemo> PhonicUK: writing an android app that monitors the sensors is pretty easy. the linux integration seems like the painful part
[0:15] <fdr87> PhonicUK: So can you actually use your phone as a mouse? Just move it around on the table?
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[0:15] <nemo> I'd argue you are going about it the hard way
[0:16] <PhonicUK> fdr87, you don't move it around the table, you wave it around in the air
[0:16] <PhonicUK> and it moves the cursor
[0:16] <ReggieUK> you mean like a wiimote
[0:16] <PhonicUK> yup
[0:16] <fdr87> Oh that sucks
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[0:16] <PhonicUK> only based purely on the accelerometer, no need for a IR source
[0:17] <PhonicUK> fdr87, why? its far more useful
[0:17] <PhonicUK> I can plug a device into the TV, and control it from a distance without needint a mouse surface
[0:17] <nemo> fdr87: well. you can use any sensors on the tablet in these apps. you could move it around on the table, or use it as a touchpad
[0:17] <fdr87> I love unifed remote
[0:17] <nemo> fdr87: I agree a gyro mouse isn't too interesting to me, but that's just a subset
[0:17] <neure> with raspian hdmi to my screen doesnt work :(
[0:18] <fdr87> neure: did you startx?
[0:18] <PhonicUK> hmm, this seems to be a straightfoward protocol
[0:18] <neure> fdr87, no,
[0:18] <neure> fdr87, i see nothing in boot
[0:18] <PhonicUK> its just writing out X, Y, etc in order
[0:19] <ReggieUK> PhonicUK, wiimote on linux uses accelerometer too
[0:19] <mkopack> neure: edit the config.txt and add in (crap, I don't remember the exact name of it??? it's something like HDMI_HOT_SWAP=true ..)
[0:19] <PhonicUK> i know, nice thinga bout using my phone is i dont need any extra hardware :)
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[0:19] * fdr87 is now known as piless
[0:20] <mkopack> neure: dp all the lights end up coming on on the board, or just the power?
[0:20] <mkopack> the Green OK light should be blinking on boot up (shortly after you plug in the power cable) IF it's running ok??? that's the SD card activity
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[0:20] <piless> if you shake it, does it rattle?
[0:21] <neure> mkopack, it did blink
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[0:21] <mkopack> If it's not coming up either it doesn't like your card, or you didn't write the image right
[0:21] <neure> after a while it didnt
[0:21] <mkopack> Does the Ethernet lights come on?
[0:21] <mkopack> (eventually)
[0:21] <neure> so i edit config.txt?
[0:21] <neure> i dont have ethernet connected
[0:21] <neure> config.txt is empty
[0:22] <piless> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[0:22] <mkopack> Yeah, there's an option you can add to the config.txt inside the first FAT partition on the card to tell it use HDMI and which mode to do it
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[0:22] <mkopack> hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[0:22] <mkopack> But yeah, go through that list.
[0:23] <mkopack> on the link piless gave you
[0:23] <neure> but this is dvi screen
[0:23] <mkopack> Add in whatever looks appropriate
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[0:23] <piless> neure: But it's using the hdmi port
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[0:23] <mkopack> Ok, so add in hdmi_group=1
[0:23] <x12> Hi
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[0:24] <piless> hdmi_drive= 1 is dvi
[0:24] <neure> is hdmi_group=1 compatible with hdmi_force_hotplug=1 ?
[0:24] <mkopack> and then: hdmi_mode= (pick the right number out of the first table on that page based on your screen res)
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[0:24] <neure> it doesnt have my res 1920x1080
[0:24] <neure> :(
[0:24] * amstan_ (~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:24] <mkopack> That's 1080P
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[0:25] * Gadgetoid_Air facepalms
[0:25] <mkopack> Mode 16
[0:25] * ShiftPlusOne sets mode +b *fdr87*!*@*
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[0:25] <piless> 82
[0:25] <mkopack> Gadgetoid_Air: (agreed)
[0:25] <mkopack> Add those lines, save the file. And try again
[0:25] <neure> sorry im a bit confused?
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[0:26] <neure> http://pastebin.com/5Yf9qZ9c
[0:26] * Hopsy (~Hopsy@unaffiliated/hopsy) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[0:26] <neure> is that ok?
[0:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> I remember staying up until 5am putting random stuff into linux config files just to get the most inane of things to work :D
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[0:26] <fakker> config_hdmi_boost=4
[0:26] <fakker> tyr that, worked for 720+ to work on my crap tv
[0:26] <mkopack> Yes
[0:27] <mkopack> Ah, interesting faker: didn't know about that one...
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[0:27] <mkopack> So, try that as well neure
[0:27] <fakker> also helps if you get artifacts on screen too
[0:27] <nemo> fakker: huh. I didn't need anything special for my 720p tv
[0:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> That wiki page isn't great, though
[0:28] <mkopack> nemo: Just depends on the TV...
[0:28] <fakker> nemo, every TV is different. like I said when i had the problems - only 1 TV had an issue
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[0:28] <nemo> ah
[0:28] <neure> yes
[0:28] <neure> i can see it booting now!
[0:28] <neure> thanks
[0:28] <nemo> right. time to try my first overclocking :)
[0:28] <fakker> drove me insane, i think i was up gone 2-3am trying different combinations :D
[0:28] * Gadgetoid_Air considers making a web-based config.txt builder
[0:28] * ShiftPlusOne sets mode -b *!*@
[0:28] <nemo> looks like 900 for CPU and 500 for memory is safe
[0:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> nemo don't overclock the GPU, nuff said :D
[0:29] <nemo> according to all the writeups I've seen
[0:29] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: I've heard that's even stupid.
[0:29] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: since the GPU handles its freq dynamically in a clever fashion
[0:29] <nemo> so you don't even gain much if you wanted to, say, underclock for battery life
[0:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> I don't even know what the GPU is :D
[0:29] <PhonicUK> nemo, that seems a bit high
[0:29] <nemo> PhonicUK: really?
[0:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> Actually, overclocking my memory caused weird freezes when displaying graphics... go easy on that too
[0:29] <PhonicUK> you'd proably have to overvolt (and void you warranty) to get that high
[0:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> But 900mhz on the CPU is fine
[0:29] <nemo> PhonicUK: gordonDrogon here says it is fine
[0:30] <PhonicUK> only with overvolting
[0:30] <nemo> PhonicUK: no need to overvolt
[0:30] <nemo> and there are some other confirmations online
[0:30] <PhonicUK> 900 is unstable after a few hours of heavy load
[0:30] <piless> don't overvolt
[0:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've been running mine at 900 for days
[0:30] <nemo> PhonicUK: he claims much longer times than that
[0:30] <PhonicUK> Gadgetoid_Air, how much of that time has it been underload though?
[0:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: heavy load? mine's run for 3 days solid on 900 and only got interrupted when I rebooted
[0:30] <nemo> PhonicUK: and he's doing crazy heavy load
[0:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: I compiled modules 3 times and the kernel once, ON the, Pi, ruby twice
[0:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> Doesn't get any heavier loaded than that
[0:31] <PhonicUK> I'm running at 875, uptime of 3 days - 100% CPU load almost the entire time
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[0:31] <PhonicUK> i mean constant non-stop 100% cpu usage
[0:31] <neure> does pisces come with any gles demo?
[0:31] <nemo> well. I'll try 900. if it fails, I'll crank it back
[0:31] <PhonicUK> if you cant manage 48 hours of that, its not stable
[0:31] <PhonicUK> nemo, other way around - start low and work your way up
[0:31] <nemo> meh
[0:31] <PhonicUK> when it starts being unreliable, wind back 2/3 steps
[0:31] <nemo> it isn't going to hurt anything from what I Read
[0:31] <PhonicUK> i went up in 25mhz increments
[0:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: I'm not sure what I'd need to do that would require 100% CPU usage for 48 hours :D
[0:32] <nemo> and I'd like to get a feel for what it can do
[0:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> But not every chip is created equal, anyway
[0:32] <PhonicUK> Gadgetoid_Air, if its just stability test you might as well calculate a few billion digits of Pi xD
[0:32] <PhonicUK> mines been compiling the entire time
[0:33] <piless> Gadgetoid_Air: that's why the raspbian image shouldn't ship overclocked
[0:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oh well, If my Pi starts crashing the first thing I'd do is downclock it anyway
[0:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless: it ships overclocked!?
[0:33] <piless> 100mhz
[0:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Eeee!
[0:33] <PhonicUK> raspbian ships at 800mhz instead of 700
[0:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> That's just wrong
[0:33] <PhonicUK> nobody has yet found a chip not stable at 800, but it is irresponsible
[0:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> No sheet!
[0:34] <nemo> are you sure?
[0:34] <PhonicUK> certain
[0:34] <nemo> http://www.senab.co.uk/2012/05/29/raspberry-pi-overclocking/
[0:34] <piless> PhonicUK: People haven't tried that many chips
[0:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> There are *two* raspbian images, though? both unofficial
[0:34] <nemo> "The default CPU frequency for the Pi is 700MHz, so my first try was to increase that to 800MHz by putting the following in the config.txt and rebooting:"
[0:34] <nemo> hm.
[0:36] <PhonicUK> i might try pushing my pi further, but my uptime xD
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[0:36] <piless> PhonicUK: Buy more
[0:36] <PhonicUK> lol
[0:36] <PhonicUK> this is cool
[0:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> I think I'll write a Pi config.txt tool over the weekend, and add it to pi.gadgetoid.com
[0:37] <PhonicUK> nemo, I get 18.158s at 875mhz :)
[0:37] <PhonicUK> no sdram frequency change
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[0:37] <piless> Gadgetoid_Air: Am I still no. 1?
[0:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> piless: I'm not checking nicks anymore, just keywords
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[0:38] <piless> boo
[0:38] <nemo> PhonicUK: I just applied his 900/500 and went from 22.2 to 17.3
[0:38] <PhonicUK> not bad
[0:38] <nemo> should speed up hedgewars compilation
[0:38] <PhonicUK> now try 1000 xD
[0:38] <nemo> no thank you
[0:38] <shirro> 800 is not really irresponsible. of all the things that can cause problems with the Pi - plugging in the wrong keyboard, sd card or power supply can all stop it working. 800Mhz will not.
[0:38] <piless> don't do a danieldaniel
[0:39] <PhonicUK> what'd he do?
[0:40] <piless> shirro: Like Gadgetoid_Air said, not all pies are baked equal
[0:40] <PhonicUK> mine was baked delicious
[0:40] <piless> PhonicUK: Dropped solder on his pie.
[0:40] <PhonicUK> loooooool!
[0:40] <piless> And then turned it on
[0:40] <nemo> owowow
[0:40] <nemo> owwwwww
[0:40] <piless> fizzle
[0:40] <nemo> :(
[0:41] <nemo> piless: are you really still piless?
[0:41] <piless> nemo: I hope not
[0:41] <nemo> piless: were you formerly danieldaniel? :D
[0:41] <PhonicUK> wow
[0:41] <PhonicUK> that'd fry it
[0:41] <piless> danieldaniel got banned a little while after for linking to shock imagery
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[0:42] <nemo> piless: ah. so he was just making up the story to troll, perhaps
[0:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, Pi popularity attracts all-sorts
[0:42] <ShiftPlusOne> nemo, nuh, I don't think so.
[0:42] <piless> nemo: We'll never know. But it was funny at the time.
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[0:42] <PhonicUK> how long till some asshat does a "smash my pi" video i wonder
[0:43] * ShiftPlusOne sets mode +q *!*@94.197.*.*.threembb.co.uk
[0:43] <nemo> BTW, been chatting with you all from my pi
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[0:43] <oldtopman> ShiftPlusOne: When did you get ops?
[0:43] <piless> +q?
[0:43] <nemo> well. technically from my server w/ ssh + tmux + irssi - but ssh'd in from the pi! :)
[0:43] <ShiftPlusOne> oldtopman, long time ago
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[0:43] <PhonRaspPi> nemo, me too :)
[0:43] * [SLB] (~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua) Quit (Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt)
[0:44] <nemo> pi@raspberrypi:~/hg/hedgewars/trunk$ cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE="DEBUG" -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="$HOME/games" -DDATA_INSTALL_DIR="$HOME/games" -DWITH_SERVER=0
[0:44] <nemo> here goes
[0:44] * nemo crosses his fingers
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[0:44] <neure> in pisces.. what do i need to do after i connect ethernet to get internet?
[0:44] <oldtopman> You mean I've missed it the while time >.>
[0:44] <nemo> of course, even if this builds, the tricky part will be the GL
[0:44] <PhonRaspPi> nemo: you got CorsixTH yet?
[0:44] <oldtopman> Ah well.
[0:44] <nemo> PhonRaspPi: wassat?
[0:44] <PhonRaspPi> theme hospital clone
[0:44] <PhonRaspPi> uses the original data
[0:44] <PhonRaspPi> ive got a version built for the Pi already
[0:44] <nemo> PhonRaspPi: is that a game?
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[0:44] <Teebor> corsixTH is brilliant!
[0:44] <PhonRaspPi> yes? you've never heard of theme hospital?
[0:44] <nemo> PhonRaspPi: I'm just focused on Hedgewars these days :) well. that and a few things like Spring or Wesnoth
[0:45] <nemo> PhonRaspPi: I've always been more of a TBS or RTS person anyway
[0:45] <PhonRaspPi> Teebor: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=6943
[0:45] <ShiftPlusOne> piless, just setting random letters
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[0:45] <Teebor> which reminds me <scoots off the buy in to the new carmageddon>
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[0:45] <piless> oh look
[0:46] <Teebor> @PhonRaspPi, neat! does it work over vnc as well?
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[0:47] <nemo> welp. the engine built... that's the crucial part. the frontend is optional :)
[0:47] <PhonicUK> Teebor, it runs in X, so yes
[0:47] <PhonicUK> hmm, OpenRA requires Mono - sucky :(
[0:47] <Teebor> omg! shouldn't have told me that :D lol
[0:47] <nemo> Is nice to see that our generic debian build instructions work fine.
[0:47] <nemo> just copying and pasting
[0:47] <nemo> well. the server dependencies are missing, but that's not that important
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[0:48] <PhonicUK> ooooooooh
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[0:49] <PhonicUK> hmm
[0:49] <PhonicUK> i wonder if bzflag can be adapted to use GL:ES easily enough
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[0:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, I'd hazard a guess that 90% of those HDMI modes will never be used
[0:51] <PhonicUK> you know what the Pi needs?
[0:51] <PhonicUK> a community 'bounty' site
[0:51] <fakker> ice cream
[0:51] <PhonicUK> where people can contribute to bountys for things they want to be done
[0:51] <Teebor> more nudity?
[0:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: you're more right than anyone has ever been right ever
[0:52] <Teebor> the original images of the bare board just did it for me <oooh>
[0:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: is there a service for that sort of thing already? Collecting and distributing bounties is a pretty big responsibility
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[0:53] <nemo> PhonicUK: what I'd like is something like thingiverse, only a collection of raspberry pi projects and source code and ingredients :)
[0:53] <neure> bummer
[0:54] <neure> after i booted i got no screen again :(
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[0:54] <neure> i guess i have to add some boost
[0:54] <PhonicUK> Gadgetoid_Air, not a pi specific one
[0:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: yeah, didnae think there would be a Pi-specific one... but it's definitely a good idea!
[0:55] <fakker> neure, you on using Raspbian?
[0:55] <neure> yes
[0:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> I, for one, am looking for things I can do for the greater good of Pi within my limited skillset
[0:55] <PhonicUK> its annoying, I have the funds for such a thing but not the time to build the company and site for it
[0:55] <fakker> /opt/vc/bin/tvservice
[0:55] <neure> there wasnt even shutdown command :(
[0:56] <fakker> haha
[0:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: building a website for it would be piddle, running it would be somewhat less so
[0:56] <PhonicUK> indeed, handling the accounting for something like that is not straightforward
[0:56] <fakker> i forgot the tvservice lines i used, but it helped me figure out what the Pi could see from my tv
[0:56] <fakker> you can turn on/off hdmi to see if wakes it up'
[0:56] <PhonicUK> questions like how the money is collected, up front or after the bounty is satisfied, etc
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[0:58] <neure> fakker you mean my screen?
[0:58] <fakker> yeah
[0:58] <augmental> Hello Pi People... I am hoping for a Pi arrival tomorrow. At the RISC of asking an annoying question - what is the status of RISC OS for the Pi?
[0:59] <augmental> I have done a little research, but my findings are somewhat conflicted.
[0:59] * nemo shoots augmental for that horrible pun
[0:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> augmental: You made a pun!
[0:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Your skills are without equal!
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I see what you did there
[0:59] <augmental> The RISC guys seem to still be beavering away on USB drivers and suchlike... which would suggest it's some way off.
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> ask mkopack about RISC OS when you see him.
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[0:59] <PhonicUK> that reminds me
[0:59] <PhonicUK> AROS has an ARM target
[1:00] <augmental> Then I go and see a screenshot of RISC OS running on the Pi at one of the presentations.
[1:00] <augmental> So which is it?
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[1:00] <augmental> Were they just running it on a Beagle under the desk ;-) ?
[1:00] <_av500_> yes
[1:01] <PhonicUK> wtf
[1:01] <PhonicUK> Element 14 was formerly Acorn Computers
[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne> augmental, try #PiRO
[1:02] <augmental> Thanks Shift
[1:02] <ShiftPlusOne> if anyone is even there
[1:02] <augmental> All of 2 people.
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[1:02] <augmental> And the faint smell of solder flux
[1:03] <nemo> is there anything particularly nice about RISC OS that would make me want to change my linux devotion?
[1:03] <augmental> No
[1:03] <augmental> Its pretty horrible
[1:03] <nemo> ah. nostalgia then?
[1:03] <PhonicUK> but very very stable
[1:03] <augmental> But for some reason, I still want to try it.
[1:03] <augmental> Yes.
[1:03] <augmental> Phonic UK, in a way yes. In other ways not at all
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[1:04] <augmental> See... multi tasking model is such that if one task crashes
[1:04] <augmental> it'll take down the whole system
[1:04] <augmental> So while the OS may be stable
[1:04] <augmental> its only as stable as its least stable application
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[1:05] <SStrife> ..like DOS
[1:05] <SStrife> ;)
[1:05] <nemo> heh
[1:05] <nemo> SStrife: or windows 95
[1:05] <augmental> Not really like DOS either.
[1:05] <augmental> No, something... different.
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[1:06] <SStrife> augmental: Like DOS, in that if an application crashes, you're boned. :)
[1:06] <PhonicUK> you can run Windows 95 on the Pi relatively easily
[1:06] <nemo> SStrife: I'm still in shock that the world was using that (and windows 98 and windows "millenium") for so long.
[1:06] <PhonicUK> it runs in DosBOX
[1:06] <PhonicUK> *DOSBox
[1:06] <SStrife> It doesn't run very well in DOSBox though
[1:06] <nemo> SStrife: even the crude linux I'd encountered in '96 was way ahead of what we had in the computer lab
[1:06] <PhonicUK> indeed
[1:06] <PhonicUK> Windows 3.1 does though!
[1:06] <Teebor> millenium was a beta test
[1:07] <SStrife> it runs OK I guess
[1:07] <SStrife> Virtual PC is still the best for old Windowses
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[1:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> You can rock windows in Qemu if you want to play Starcraft at 1 frame-per-day
[1:07] <nemo> heh
[1:07] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: what about wine? :)
[1:07] <nemo> oh
[1:07] <nemo> duh
[1:07] * nemo facepalms
[1:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> nemo: Hahaha
[1:07] <nemo> you meant on the Pi didn't you
[1:07] <PhonicUK> Wine + QEMU usermode may actually work
[1:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> nemo: Yup!
[1:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah, wine + qemu is arguably better than running the whole OS, if you can get it working
[1:08] <augmental> nemo: Lol, I'd forgotten that Me was 'Millenium Edition'..
[1:08] <PhonicUK> scuse me while I start compiling QEmu
[1:08] <augmental> I called it Christmas Tree edition
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[1:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> Millenium? I though it was Malfunctioning...
[1:08] <augmental> Because it was piled high with pretty shiny things, but if you pushed it just a bit, it would all come tumbling down
[1:08] <nemo> PhonicUK: you know, seems you'd get better performance by using VNC and a remote machine :)
[1:08] <SStrife> Masochist's Edition
[1:08] <Teebor> Moron Edition, cause you had to be to buy it
[1:08] <fakker> i thought the screen was meant to be always blue
[1:09] <PhonicUK> nemo, this is all about how badly the pi can be abused though :P
[1:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> I remember installing Windows ME when it very first hit the ol net
[1:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> Then I cried for hours and hours, and lost all faith in the world
[1:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> And reverted to 98SE
[1:09] <nemo> PhonicUK: hrm. you know, I wonder if StarCraft could just run in a remote X session + wine
[1:09] <fakker> 2k pro
[1:09] <fakker> :)
[1:09] <nemo> PhonicUK: but maybe that doesn't count as abuse
[1:09] <PhonicUK> isn't there some open source starcraft clone?
[1:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> I didn't do 2k much, because games
[1:10] * plugwash wouldn't be entirely surprised if starcraft would work in qemu-user/wine
[1:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> PhonicUK: not anything remotely complete
[1:10] <SStrife> 98SE is pretty good, there's an unofficial service pack that makes it pretty robust
[1:10] <fakker> played q3, that's all i needed
[1:10] <SStrife> I have it running on a P3 Tualatin box
[1:10] <nemo> PhonicUK: there are a ton of Open Source RTSes though
[1:10] <plugwash> I remember starcraft ran fine on a pentium 75
[1:10] <nemo> PhonicUK: my favourite is Spring - formerly TA:Spring
[1:10] <nemo> PhonicUK: but then, Total Annihilation was way ahead of its time.
[1:10] <plugwash> despite that being below the official minimum requirements
[1:10] <SStrife> You won't be able to run Wine on Pi.
[1:10] <Teebor> http://www.lolroflmao.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/microsoft-windows-versions.jpg
[1:10] <SStrife> Wine contains x86 asm, I'm pretty sure.
[1:11] <plugwash> SStrife, that is what qemu-user is for
[1:11] <augmental> If I could say one advantage that RISC OS would have over the others: it would be that you effectively have a real-time OS in a Desktop Environment
[1:11] <SStrife> yeah, you need something lke that.
[1:11] <PhonicUK> ^
[1:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Teebor: I lol'd
[1:11] <XeCrypt> runnin qemu + wine .. on the Pi ?
[1:11] <PhonicUK> SStrife, thats what im about to try now
[1:11] <PhonicUK> XeCrypt, yup
[1:11] <augmental> So control applications often require real-time timing.
[1:11] <PhonicUK> im unpacking the qemu source now
[1:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Image is funny 'cos it's absolutely true
[1:11] <SStrife> that's going to be painful
[1:11] <XeCrypt> wow, that wouldnt give much performance I guess
[1:11] <PhonicUK> Windows 98 was pretty bad until OSR2
[1:12] <augmental> Hey has anyone got GCC ARM cross compiler up and running
[1:12] <PhonicUK> Windows XP was pretty bad until SP2
[1:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> Was still an improvement over 95 iirc
[1:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> "good" is a relative term
[1:12] <PhonicUK> Windows 98 its possible to run modern software on
[1:12] <nemo> augmental: http://rtic-lab.sourceforge.net/
[1:12] <PhonicUK> new versions of firefox etc
[1:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> "less ****" would probably be more apt
[1:13] <nemo> augmental: (GUI)
[1:13] <SStrife> PhonicUK: kernelex is pretty good, but it's coming to a point where the hardware that still has 98 drivers is too slow to run modern apps on nicely
[1:13] <PhonicUK> indeed
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[1:13] <oldtopman> Question to all you owners, if you plug the rpi into the computer, does the cumputer show anything?
[1:13] <PhonicUK> SStrife, I've got a nice Windows 98 VM
[1:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> oldtopman: No.
[1:13] <PhonicUK> oldtopman, no since the USB is power only
[1:13] <oldtopman> And what happens if you pluf the rpi into itself?
[1:13] <IT_Sean> oldtopman, the pi is not a USB device, so, no.
[1:13] <SStrife> I have P3 Tualatin with 512MB RAM, with 98se and kernelex, and Firefox is kinda unpleasant
[1:13] <oldtopman> Ah, okay.
[1:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> oldtopman: perpetual energy.
[1:13] <PhonicUK> oldtopman, nothing because it won't have any power
[1:14] <XeCrypt> oldtopman, it will explode
[1:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oh no, wait, what PhonicUK said!
[1:14] <SStrife> its not unusable, but i wouldn't use it for any length of time
[1:14] <nemo> SStrife: heh. what's the last version of firefox that actually supported 98se?
[1:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Pi != Arduino, one does not simply hook a Pi to their computer
[1:14] <nemo> SStrife: FF3? :)
[1:14] <nemo> 2?
[1:14] <oldtopman> Well, I only want to use one powered USB hub.
[1:14] <SStrife> 1.something
[1:14] <SStrife> 3 will run with kernelex
[1:14] <oldtopman> So I want to plug the hub into the ports, and the pi into the hub. Was wondering if unplesantness was going to happen.
[1:15] <augmental> oldtopman: Think about the cable genders - it doesn't connect that way. And yes you can get a male to male USB cable - from dodgy uncertified peripheral suppliers - but they are outside of the standard and likely to do BadThing(TM)s to anything you plug into.
[1:15] <nemo> SStrife: So the Windows 98, is it a nostalgia thing or do you have some horrible ancient piece of software at work that requires it
[1:15] <SStrife> it's a retro gaming box
[1:15] <SStrife> GeForce 3 Ti, dual Voodoo 2 12MB's in SLI,
[1:15] <nemo> SStrife: on the subject of ancient software, I actually installed linux in virtualbox on some lawyer's computer in order to get their accounting software to work in Windows XP
[1:15] <nemo> SStrife: their software was written for Windows 98 and 2k
[1:15] <XeCrypt> thats my plan for the Pi -> retro arcade machine :D
[1:15] <nemo> it ran fine in Wine
[1:15] <oldtopman> augmental: It does work that way. You plug the rpi into a powered USB hub. You plug the hub into the USB ports >.>
[1:16] <SStrife> one wonders if such ancient accounting software is perhaps out-of-date in other ways?
[1:16] <augmental> Oh right, but that micro USB port is purely for power
[1:16] <augmental> It doesn't even have a data connection.
[1:16] <nemo> (and no, none of the built in compatibility modes in XP worked - and the accounting software company was no longer supporting it and wanted them to shell out $500 or something for an update. lawyers are oddly cheap)
[1:16] <Teebor> @oldtopman, OMG infinite power? mind blown!
[1:16] <nemo> SStrife: heh. well. cheap lawyer did not want to upgrade. oh well.
[1:17] <PhonicUK> oldtopman, its perfectly ok to use a USB hub like that
[1:17] <oldtopman> Ah, thanks PhonicUK.
[1:17] <PhonicUK> use the hub to power the Pi and having the pi plugged in to the hub
[1:17] <nemo> PhonicUK: yeah. that's what I'm doing right now actually
[1:17] * oldtopman thinks it's rather clever
[1:17] <augmental> Yeah the potentials will be the same.
[1:17] <PhonicUK> so on a 4 port hub 1 = pi power, 3x = devices
[1:17] <PhonicUK> BALLS!
[1:17] <nemo> PhonicUK: as my pi churns away compiling Qt software
[1:17] <PhonicUK> i was on amazon ordering stuff earlier!
[1:17] <PhonicUK> i forget to get a powered hub!
[1:17] <augmental> Yeah its a neat setup actually. Good tip OldTopMan.
[1:17] <PhonicUK> schmit...
[1:17] <nemo> PhonicUK: powered hubs are dirt cheap
[1:17] <PhonicUK> i know
[1:18] * oldtopman bows
[1:18] <PhonicUK> ive got a load of stuff coming tomorrow that i ordered earlier
[1:18] <augmental> Anyone aware of GPIO drivers / libs ?
[1:18] <hotwings> [16:15:54] <PhonicUK> so on a 4 port hub 1 = pi power, 3x = devices <-- WIN
[1:18] <nemo> augmental: heh. well. 'cept it was independently attempted by half the channel ;)
[1:18] <PhonicUK> if i'd ordered it 6 hours ago i'd have it tomorrow
[1:18] <nemo> augmental: I have to say if you tried patenting it it would be rejected as "obvious" :-p
[1:18] <ShiftPlusOne> PhonicUK, I think you'll find the hub won't provide enough power
[1:18] <nemo> well. maybe not. patent bureau is stupid
[1:19] <PhonicUK> ShiftPlusOne, most hubs I've seen provide 1A per port
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> PhonicUK, all at 1 time?
[1:19] <PhonicUK> specifically to allow for high power devices
[1:19] <augmental> The Mint Repositories are crammed to the rafters with ARM cross compiling GCC distro's. Tasty.
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> They claim to
[1:19] <augmental> Including.. gfortran-arm... wahey!
[1:19] <PhonicUK> no idea, but im unlikely to use 1A from all 4 at once
[1:19] <SStrife> i bought a powered hub that only came with a 2A adaptor
[1:19] <plugwash> The problem with the loopback approach is you have the volt drop in the hub and the volt drop in the USB cable to the Pi adding to the already somewhat precarious voltage situation
[1:20] <SStrife> i chucked that into my bits box, and picked up a 4A adaptor
[1:20] <SStrife> runs a treat :)
[1:20] <augmental> I'm going to power my Pi from a solar panel
[1:20] <plugwash> it can work but it can also cause problems which is why it's not officially reccomended
[1:20] <plugwash> all depends on how shitty the hub and It's PSU are
[1:20] <PhonicUK> hmm
[1:20] <PhonicUK> you know waht I want
[1:20] <PhonicUK> a USB 'UPS'
[1:20] <Teebor> power your pi from a bike, then you get exercise and save the environment
[1:20] <PhonicUK> charges via USB, powers a USB device
[1:20] <nemo> welp. I have a couple of hubs lying around. I shall pick the least sucky one and give my SO the other(s) :)
[1:21] <SStrife> PhonicUK: Grab a PC PSU, connect that to a UPS, and run Pi+accessories off the 5V rail
[1:21] <PhonicUK> lol too big
[1:21] <PhonicUK> i want something small
[1:21] <SStrife> nevar!!! moar amps!!!!!
[1:21] <PhonicUK> ive seen USB solar chargers that can be charged via USB and have a USB out
[1:21] <PhonicUK> that ought to do it
[1:21] <SStrife> You must construct additional AMPS
[1:21] <augmental> If you had a super-capacitor to keep you going for a few idle minutes, a bike-dynamo powered Pi would rock
[1:22] <augmental> you could use a GPS USB dongle and Nav software
[1:22] <nemo> SStrife: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/north_south_korea vaguely relevent to your last comment
[1:22] <PhonicUK> also I've found some solar chargers that can power the pi indefinitely!
[1:22] * plugwash muses that the PSU he bought for bulk charging wireless sensor nodes could also be used to run a shitload of Pis
[1:22] <SStrife> hahaha, i like it :)
[1:22] <PhonicUK> their battery is big enough to power the pi overnight, and they generate enough power to recharge the battery during the day + power the pi
[1:22] <nemo> PhonicUK: solar chargers that can power pi indefinitely... http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-03/09/230-percent-efficient-leds you using this? :D
[1:23] <nemo> oh.
[1:23] <nemo> PhonicUK: guess it depends on how sunny it is
[1:23] <augmental> Not if you have a SLA battery in between
[1:24] <augmental> The rig I have waiting for the Pi: 12v panel -> charge circuit -> 12v Sealed Lead Acid battery -> 12v to 5v Switching power regulator
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[1:24] <Ricksl> where can I find one of those regulators speaking of which
[1:25] <SpeedEvil> In scotland - you need of the order of a 200W solar panel to power it over a couple of successive dark winter days.
[1:25] <PhonicUK> get a 20w panel, no problem
[1:25] <augmental> Ricksl - I bought from eBay
[1:25] <augmental> I'll find you link
[1:25] <Ricksl> Please and thank you
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[1:25] <dmsuse> solar panels work perfectly well in the shade
[1:25] <SpeedEvil> 20w will run OK in good summer days.
[1:25] <SpeedEvil> dmsuse: No, they don't.
[1:26] <dmsuse> my whole house is powered by solar, i should know ;)
[1:26] <SpeedEvil> no, you don't.
[1:26] <dmsuse> then i guess my energy magically appears from nowehere
[1:26] <amelia_> dmsuse: SOME panels can work reasonably well in the shade, plenty don't.
[1:26] <SpeedEvil> Unless by 'perfectly well' you mean 'totally shitty'
[1:26] <SStrife> SpeedEvil: sure they do, they perfectly convert no sunlight into no volts :)
[1:26] <SpeedEvil> A 1kW panel may output 200W tops in indirect light under optimal conditions.
[1:27] <SpeedEvil> In clear sky in actual shade - it's not even that good.
[1:27] <dmsuse> thats a huge amount for no direct sunlight
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[1:27] <SpeedEvil> That is not 'perfectly well'
[1:27] <dmsuse> lol you kidding?
[1:27] <augmental> I bought a perfect one from Maplins
[1:27] <augmental> 15w, on sale for a tenner
[1:27] <augmental> built in charge circuit for 12v SLA batteries
[1:27] <SpeedEvil> Unless you consider pureed hamberger to be 'perfectly adequate food'.
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[1:28] <augmental> intended to top up cars - but perfect for topping up little 12v SLA connected to switched regulator and Pi
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[1:28] <Ricksl> Sounds great
[1:28] <ReggieUK> plugwash, mind your language please
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> and SpeedEvil >.>
[1:28] <nemo> heh. compiling our game engine took... like a minute or less
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[1:28] <Ricksl> I play with sealed lead acids alot, the ones i have seem to have a funny voltage discharge curve
[1:28] <nemo> compiling our Qt frontend... it has been over 40 minutes
[1:28] <PhonicUK> ooh, we dont need planning permission here to install solar panels!
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[1:29] <nemo> maybe we should have written the frontend in pascal too :-p
[1:29] <augmental> I can't find the exact one I bought but the regulator you want is something like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-DC-Converter-Regulator-12V-Stepdown-5V-3A-15W-Car-Power-Supply-Module-/360461243274?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item53ed2a138a
[1:29] <dmsuse> nowhere needs planning permission, other than listed buildings :P
[1:29] <SStrife> I really want to hook up a series of car batteries to my UPS
[1:29] <augmental> The point being its switched mode so very high efficiency, no massive heat loss.
[1:29] <SStrife> but hydrogen, Y U SO FLAMMABLE
[1:29] <Ricksl> could this accept a range of voltages?
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[1:29] <Ricksl> or is it only 12 volt imput
[1:30] <augmental> The one I got said it can go up to 40v input or something
[1:30] <nemo> hm. I wonder how reliable the USB for my car stereo system is as a power supply
[1:30] <SpeedEvil> dmsuse: That's somewhat arguable.
[1:30] <Ricksl> I am more worried about it dropping below 12 volts
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[1:30] <SpeedEvil> dmsuse: There is a 'if it could not be reasonably sited elsewhere' in the permitted use regs
[1:30] <SStrife> where i live, you need planning permission if the panels are raised off the roof at all
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[1:31] <SStrife> i.e. if your roof doesn't have a north-facing surface
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[1:31] <nemo> SStrife: I was never able to make the math work on solar panels. I have a spreadsheet where I factored in every state and federal subsidy and the cost of electricity.
[1:31] <dmsuse> north lol ?
[1:31] <nemo> SStrife: it would have taken like 10-15 years to recover the cost
[1:32] <SStrife> north indeed, dmsuse :)
[1:32] <nemo> and that wasn't considering losses in efficiency due to dust, panel damage, cells degrading over time...
[1:32] <dmsuse> why would you face them north?
[1:32] <augmental> There.. that's the one I bought: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-DC-HRD-Converter-12V-24V-36V-5V-3A-Voltage-Switch-Step-Down-Power-Module-/290697693065?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item43aeeec789
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[1:32] <SStrife> so their surfaces point toward where the sun generally is.
[1:33] <SStrife> we don't live on the equator, so straight-up won't work too well :)
[1:33] <augmental> Can't vouch fully for its suitability yet as I don't have the Pi, but its specds fit the bill on Paper.
[1:33] <Ricksl> whats hrd mean?
[1:33] <dmsuse> and the sun comes from the north?
[1:33] <nemo> dmsuse: australia?
[1:33] <nemo> maybe new zealand?
[1:33] <SStrife> :)
[1:34] <dmsuse> lol never considerered thata
[1:34] <dmsuse> -a
[1:34] <nemo> heck. he could be from brazil. lot of brazilian techies
[1:34] <SStrife> Australia,
[1:34] <nemo> admittedly the ones I chat w/ don't have SStrife's english skills
[1:34] <nemo> ah
[1:34] <augmental> Ricksl: Good question, I don't know. I think it might just be the brand of its main component.
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[1:34] <Ricksl> Have you tested the tolerance of these? Is it a solid 5 volts?
[1:34] <wizkid057> cant seem to get bitcoind to compile on the pi :(
[1:35] <augmental> No, I have been meaning to find the time to though.. not tonight now its too late. I will post my findings here tomorrow.
[1:35] <nemo> So. I've recklessly plugged my Pi into a lot of things already (computer, hubs) - does anyone think that my Honda's USB input for playing music off flash drives would be too risky?
[1:35] <SStrife> stick a meter across it
[1:35] <nemo> SStrife: hm. how long would I have to do that to feel confident? :)
[1:36] <SStrife> as long as the voltage is reasonably constant, the current will either be "enough" or "not enough"
[1:36] <nemo> wonder if car's operation impacts it at all
[1:36] <Ricksl> I await your results, sometimes i would test the voltage stability under load with a potentiometer in series.
[1:36] <PhonicUK> hmm
[1:36] <Ricksl> i would move it back and forth and see if there is fluctuation in the voltage.
[1:36] <PhonicUK> QEmu requires supprisingly little RAM to compile
[1:36] <augmental> Ricksl; good idea.
[1:36] <SStrife> how long? just long enough to create some circumstances that might appear
[1:36] <augmental> I have the necessary kit to try that out.
[1:36] <SStrife> key in accessory, engine on idle, cruising revs,
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[1:37] <nemo> SStrife: mm. engine startup. lights....
[1:37] <nemo> fair 'nuff
[1:37] <Ricksl> see how quickly it can adjust the voltage, so say if the pi power usage spikes and such
[1:37] <SStrife> yea
[1:37] <SStrife> i would imagine that it would be fairly well regulated,
[1:37] <SStrife> or you'd get thumb drives popping all over the place
[1:37] <nemo> SStrife: it is probably drawing from the lead acid battery
[1:37] <SStrife> the USB port?
[1:37] <nemo> SStrife: welllll. I have one thumb drive that broke. but I think it might have been broken before
[1:37] <neure> eh
[1:37] <augmental> Well I also have the solar charge circuit 'pulsing' on the input, probably with bigger spikes than the battery will smooth, so I anticipate having to stick a cap over that.
[1:38] <nemo> SStrife: or maybe just left it in on too hot a day. car gets pretty warm
[1:38] <augmental> Still there will be bumps on the input, so I look forward to seeing how it copes with that too
[1:38] <SStrife> maybe
[1:38] <neure> im using pisces image and.. it has no dpkg-reconfigure
[1:38] <neure> yet instructions say i should use it!
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[1:38] <plugwash> are you root?
[1:38] <neure> should i?
[1:39] <Ricksl> Maybe you should look into a circuit that incorporates charging and draining of the battery, in my experience I have never had the best results charging and draining at the same time
[1:39] <plugwash> yes, dpkg-reconfigure can only be used by root
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[1:39] <neure> thanks, that was it
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[1:40] <Ricksl> well they never work well if they are on different circuits, the charge circuit might misread draining the battery as one that isn't charged and potentially overcharge it.
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[1:40] <augmental> Ricksl... yes that does make sense.
[1:40] <nemo> ah. looks like Qt is proooobably hanging on linking our frontend. after 50 minutes of compilation.
[1:40] <augmental> So what would such a circuit do, isolate the circuits from each other, and rapidly switch the battery between the two, using caps to smooth it over?
[1:41] <nemo> at least I infer that from the halt in building, and the fact that I have 10 megs free and half my swap is used up :)
[1:41] <Ricksl> Well to be fair I was using alkali rechargeable batteries, not exactly the best to relate to lead acid
[1:41] <plugwash> nemo, linking big C++ apps on boxes that are short of ram can take AGES
[1:41] <nemo> plugwash: heh
[1:41] <plugwash> that doesn't mean it has hung
[1:41] <nemo> plugwash: I didn't mean hung in that sense
[1:41] <Ricksl> well it usually has an ic that recognizes it is being drained while there is an input, and adjusts charging accordingly
[1:41] <SStrife> my electricity is off at home??? but I'm at work :-/
[1:41] <nemo> plugwash: I guess I meant. "I think I've finally reached linking after compiling slowly, a file at a time"
[1:42] <SStrife> my mail server is at home, and the UPS will give out soon :(
[1:42] <augmental> You can get some cracking little SLA's from Maplin, this one fits in your palm, and can deliver enough kick to run 60W light bulb at least
[1:42] <nemo> wooot finished!
[1:42] <SStrife> i really need to co-locate it or something
[1:42] <augmental> (I attached a 240v inverter to it)
[1:42] <plugwash> some apps take DAYs to build on arm systems because of linking in swap
[1:42] <augmental> not sure for how long though ;-)
[1:42] <plugwash> and that is on arm systems with considerablly more ram than a Pi
[1:43] <Ricksl> lol i did the same a few months ago when a nasty hurricane knocked out our power for a few days
[1:43] <SStrife> nemo, are you compiling ON your pi?
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[1:43] <nemo> plugwash: was more just amused that our game engine builds in less than a minute, and the frontend, in an hour
[1:43] <MaZ-> woo, pi finally happy with a class 4 sd :>
[1:43] <nemo> SStrife: sure, why not :D
[1:43] <augmental> I'm thinking it would probably run the Pi for my entire lifetime without needing to charge anyway
[1:43] <nemo> SStrife: stress test ftw
[1:43] <SStrife> are you using some non-SD-card storage?
[1:43] <nemo> SStrife: no
[1:43] <SStrife> Pi is heaps faster if you use a USB HDD or something else for rootfs
[1:43] <nemo> m'k
[1:44] * nemo shrugs
[1:44] <nemo> that'll take up more space
[1:44] <SStrife> seriously faster
[1:44] <Ricksl> I wouldn't go that far :P
[1:44] <SStrife> SD is so crap for running an OS
[1:44] <nemo> SStrife: I'm using a class 6
[1:44] <nemo> seems to work ok
[1:44] <augmental> For some reason the idea of having a solar powered Pi with a 3G dongle running Seti@Home forever somewhere on a mountain top gives me a perverted thrill.
[1:44] <SStrife> it's not the class
[1:44] <Ricksl> but i would imagine a few days, at the least
[1:44] <SStrife> it's how SD does writes
[1:44] <augmental> Or a field of them
[1:44] <Ricksl> you and me both
[1:44] <nemo> SStrife: my understanding is class 6 is faster at small files than class 10...
[1:45] <augmental> :-)
[1:45] <SStrife> "faster" is a relative term :)
[1:45] <Ricksl> I love the idea of communal and peer to peer computing
[1:45] <augmental> Yes, exactly, there should be a citizens internet
[1:45] <Ricksl> It makes me feel like a bigger part of the internet of things
[1:45] <augmental> its technically completely feasible already
[1:46] <SStrife> you can get a big boost if you tell Linux not to update the "last accessed" timestamp on files
[1:46] <nplus> i plugged my raspberry pi into my tv but some of the text is cut off on the left side of the screen. Is it possible to "auto adjust"?
[1:46] <Ricksl> I always envisioned a mesh network, a giant p2p with no centralized dns servers
[1:46] <SStrife> because then you're not updating 128KB blocks on the card every time you do a read
[1:46] <SpeedEvil> Ricksl: Mesh blows.
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[1:46] <SpeedEvil> Ricksl: unfortunately.
[1:46] <Ricksl> bnot mesh in a literal sense
[1:46] <augmental> Same, I think it may still happen - and possibly out of necessity in the future
[1:47] <nemo> SStrife: FWIW, hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0p2 reports 72.62/4.43
[1:47] <SpeedEvil> Ricksl: The fundamental problem is that if your average route is 100 hops - then 99% of the traffic you carry will not be your own.
[1:47] <SpeedEvil> Ricksl: And it's not even that good in reality.
[1:47] <mythos> funquestion (while i'm waiting for my power supply): how much bogomips does the pi achieve?
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[1:47] <SpeedEvil> 600
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[1:47] <mythos> nice, thanks
[1:47] <SpeedEvil> It's about 1mip/mhz
[1:47] <SStrife> i dont know what those numbers mean, sorry
[1:48] <SpeedEvil> SStrife: Almost nothign.
[1:48] <SStrife> but I can fire up my Pi with USB HDD and run the same command
[1:48] <mythos> SStrife, it does not say anything
[1:48] <SStrife> ok
[1:48] <augmental> Developing a P2P comms stack for very small MCUs
[1:48] <ReggieUK> augmental, how are you going to get power into that converter?
[1:48] <nemo> SStrife: for my HD at home is 3990.88/110.94
[1:48] <augmental> for such applications... Here's my test rig: http://chrishatton.org/gallery/index.php/Microelectronics/BLIP_Dev_Rig
[1:48] <ReggieUK> meh, ignore me
[1:48] <augmental> ReggieUK: from a 12v Sealed Lead Acid battery.
[1:48] <SStrife> ok
[1:49] <nemo> SStrife: so like 25x slower
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[1:49] <SStrife> even nfsroot over 100Mbps is faster than using an SD card :)
[1:49] <nemo> heh
[1:49] <nemo> SStrife: ehm. I have it all handy, and I was doing other stuff anyway
[1:49] <nemo> (now)
[1:50] <SStrife> yeah, there's a lot to be said for the compact-ness and convenience of using an SD card
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[1:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> nplus: did anyone tell you that overscan is what you need?
[1:50] <ReggieUK> SStrife, well, there would be if it didn't poke out of the side of the pi like it does :)
[1:51] <SStrife> yeah true
[1:51] <nemo> SStrife: WRT 100Mbps - that's if you can actually get 100Mbps - although I guess that's easier to do these days now that I no longer am using some ancient hub at home
[1:51] <nplus> Gadgetoid_Air: No, but thank you I'll take a look into that
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[1:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> nplus: try something like overscan_left=20 in /boot/config.txt
[1:51] <nplus> Gadgetoid_Air: Awesome thanks!
[1:51] <augmental> Better go to bed and pack an HDMI cable for work
[1:51] <augmental> if Pi arrives, I can sneak a go on their plasma
[1:51] <augmental> :-)
[1:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> nplus: may require some trial and error :D
[1:52] <Ricksl> well i hope i catch ya later
[1:52] <augmental> yeah I'll pop back tomorrow and hopefully let you know about those converter boards
[1:52] <nplus> Gadgetoid_Air: yeah, I'll play around with it. I'm probably just going to ssh into it for the most part
[1:52] <augmental> I really hope they're up to scratch, cos they are quite neat units to handle
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[1:52] <augmental> screw terminals and integrated 'sik
[1:52] <augmental> sink*
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[1:52] <neurre> whoa :)
[1:53] <nplus> not practical to use the pi's cli on a 57" tv
[1:53] <neurre> online on raspberry :)
[1:53] <nemo> SStrife: but yeah, that's how I did all my builds when I ran Gentoo on my P166 w/ 96MiB of RAM - NFS + chroot :)
[1:53] <SStrife> i'm not using chroot,
[1:53] <nemo> OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!
[1:53] <nemo> hedgewars ruuuuuns!
[1:53] <nemo> yayayayayay
[1:53] <nemo> ok. not *quickly*
[1:53] <augmental> :-D
[1:53] <nemo> but we can improve that
[1:54] <augmental> How would you go about improving that? Just lower the res?
[1:54] <SStrife> my cmdline.txt is ip=dhcp root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.x.x:/media/nfsroot rw rootwait
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[1:54] <nemo> augmental: lots of things
[1:54] <nemo> augmental: we have a GSoC project to migrate to GLES2 - one of the things being added is a texture atlas
[1:54] <nemo> augmental: but we also have in existing version a "reduce quality" slider
[1:54] <SStrife> my Pi just has a 256MB SD card to boot from
[1:54] <nemo> augmental: it turns off some graphical stuff - sprites like flakes or background textures
[1:54] <augmental> Ok, thats what I was getting at... whether you meant easy things or hardcore things.
[1:55] <augmental> You meant hardcore things :-D
[1:55] <nemo> augmental: both :)
[1:55] <nemo> augmental: the slider is easy things
[1:55] <augmental> You a HedgeWars Dev?
[1:55] <nemo> well. adding it wasn't totally easy. but now that it is there...
[1:55] <nemo> augmental: also reducing the game window size helps obviously
[1:55] <nemo> augmental: yes
[1:55] <augmental> Nice, thanks, I love it :-)
[1:55] <nemo> lol @ 1fps :D
[1:55] <nemo> augmental: thanks
[1:55] <Ricksl> ouch
[1:56] <nemo> Ricksl: well. that's not the GLES2 port :)
[1:56] <nemo> we'll see
[1:56] <augmental> And great to know that you're considering optimizing for Pi, it'd be a great poster-game for the platform.
[1:56] <Ricksl> are you running it in x? if so see if you could free it
[1:56] <nemo> Ricksl: also. I have a feeling this is maybe using X
[1:56] <nemo> Ricksl: yep
[1:56] <neurre> how much memory should i see in cat /proc/meminfo?
[1:56] <Ricksl> lol
[1:56] <nemo> Ricksl: that's my suspicion for the real problem
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[1:57] <augmental> Ok
[1:57] <IT_Sean> clear
[1:57] <augmental> Sleep
[1:57] <IT_Sean> whoops
[1:57] <Ricksl> Ive never played it, i guess now i will have to give it a try
[1:57] <nemo> Ricksl: there have been several ports to pi already. I'll see what they did
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[1:57] <nemo> Ricksl: of GLES games I mean
[1:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> neure: depends how much memory there is assigned to the GPU
[1:58] <SStrife> X is still rubbish on Pi
[1:58] <neurre> how about Wayland?
[1:58] <SStrife> stuff runs pretty well using SDL on the framebuffer tho
[1:58] <Ricksl> I can't wait until eventual hard float and x optimization
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[1:59] <nemo> Ricksl: well. our game doesn't use hardware floats anyway
[1:59] * Gadgetoid_Air doesn't get the appeal of x
[1:59] <neurre> i'd put my bets on wayland
[1:59] <nemo> Ricksl: just for the graphical stuff
[1:59] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: running apps over the network *is* pretty awesome
[1:59] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: I use that a lot still
[1:59] <Ricksl> I was saying it as an "in addition" thing
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[2:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> nemo: hmm, using the Pi as a dumb-terminal ( or not so dumb as it happens )
[2:00] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: you can run glxgears over the network
[2:00] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: unfortunately not much more than that. that was never very well implemented
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[2:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> nemo: I dare say; I use my iPad as a terminal these days... the "retina" display can almost much fit my whole 2560x1440 screen on it at a 1:1 ratio :D
[2:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> I find VNC shoddy on everything else after that
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[2:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> But X-forwarding is shiny, and I love that it works with OSX
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[2:03] <Ricksl> Is osx named that because it is like 10.6 or 10.7 or is it cause it uses X windows of sorts?
[2:03] <SStrife> it doesn't use X at wll
[2:04] <SStrife> X is because it's version 10
[2:04] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: mm. well. if you want to do VNC at a reasonable speed over the internet, you are probably going to want to use bgr233 and a low -quality setting
[2:04] <SStrife> as in, after OS9 :)
[2:04] <Ricksl> just confirming
[2:04] <SStrife> yea
[2:04] <SStrife> :)
[2:04] <Ricksl> wasn't quite sure
[2:04] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: I was able to play an MMORPG from home over my "meh" connection that way, and actually get a usable framerate
[2:04] <SStrife> there is an X server in there
[2:04] <plugwash> I think the X has two meanings, firstly it's a roman numeral for 10, secondly it indicated a new generation of macos
[2:04] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: as in, successfully beat medium strength mobs
[2:04] <SStrife> but it's for compatibility, none of the native apps use it
[2:05] <Ricksl> i am aware i ues macs, it uses x windows for when connected to file transfer servers
[2:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> SStrife: forwarding stuff from a linux host to an OSX desktop works, I mean
[2:05] <Ricksl> use*
[2:05] <SStrife> it does, and it's a good, fast, stable X server
[2:05] <SStrife> bbl
[2:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> nemo: *cough*WoW?*cough* :D
[2:06] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: naw. Something called Tales of Pirates that my little brother was into
[2:06] <nemo> heeeey
[2:06] <nemo> fullscreen, reduce quality
[2:06] <nemo> 640x480
[2:06] <nemo> I get 5 or 6fps
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[2:07] <nemo> that's baaaarely playable :)
[2:07] <Ricksl> woot
[2:07] <PhonicUK> QEmu is still compiling! :)
[2:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> nemo: sounds like my local settings for playing WoW on a shoddy netbook
[2:07] <nemo> hm. I'll have to try the tex atlas + gles2 branch
[2:07] <nemo> later
[2:08] <nemo> lol. drops to 3fps while the AI is thinking :D
[2:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm... hello 1am, time to sleep!
[2:08] <nemo> poor AI doesn't get much time to plan either
[2:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> Catch you folks on the morrow... or actually today in about 7 hours!
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[2:09] <nemo> Ricksl: confirmed. from log file
[2:10] <Ricksl> the 3fps?
[2:10] <nemo> says it was using the x11 driver (not that that is a shock, at all)
[2:10] <Ricksl> oh x11
[2:10] <nemo> Ricksl: the fact that it even managed 5 or 6 fps in software rendering is pretty damn impressive
[2:10] <nemo> I'm sure we'll do very well once it is fixed
[2:10] <Ricksl> I would say so
[2:10] <Ricksl> Best of luck, I one day look forward to seeing the fruits of your labor
[2:10] <nemo> thanks
[2:11] <PhonicUK> erp, nearly outta swap space
[2:11] <Ricksl> I am of the unlucky ones who doesn't have a rpi, I try to have fun in qemu but its just not the same :(
[2:11] <PhonicUK> fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
[2:11] <nemo> heh, I had a couple of little aluminium pegs balanced on the CPU
[2:11] <nemo> they are quite warm
[2:11] <nemo> poor man's heat sink :)
[2:11] <nemo> not that the pi probably needs it...
[2:12] <nemo> oh well. time for dinner etc
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[2:12] <PhonicUK> I might buy a tiny sink for it
[2:12] <Ricksl> Now you are just teasing
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[2:13] <PhonicUK> my pi has been powered on for ....
[2:13] <PhonicUK> Uptime: 3 days, 04:44:32
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[2:14] <SpeedEvil> hey
[2:15] <PhonicUK> lo
[2:15] <IT_Sean> ahoy
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[2:21] <Axman6> seems to run kinda slow, but could be worse. also might have something to do with the fact i'm recompiling LLVM+Clang at the same time...
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[2:23] <Axman6> is there any way to check that my pi is has actually noticed the swap partition i've given it?
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[2:24] <SpeedEvil> cat /proc/swaps
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[2:24] <Axman6> hmm, nothing
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[2:25] <Axman6> i just resized the main partition to use more of my 16GB SD, and gave it a bigger swap partition
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[2:50] <ferik> qq. Is the RPi supposed to show anything on screen if it's having difficulties with the SD card? Is there a boot screen, before the OS load?
[2:50] <ferik> I get a red led and a very dim green ligh (I am not even sure it's lit, might be a reflection)
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[3:01] <PhonicUK> hmm
[3:02] <PhonicUK> my pi is now compiling the x86-64 version of QEmu
[3:02] <PhonicUK> so i'll be able to emulate a 64bit OS on my 32 bit ARM xD
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[3:12] <ferik> anyone having issues with pi not booting with strong red light, faint green light?
[3:12] <IT_Sean> ferik: what type of power supply are you using? what kind of SD card?
[3:13] <ferik> Sandisk Extreme III 4GB
[3:13] <IT_Sean> what class is that card?
[3:13] <ferik> I have tried several different power supply. I will check voltage soon
[3:13] <ferik> they were phone power supplies, mostly iPhone or iPad
[3:14] <IT_Sean> the iPad power supply should work. iPod or iPhone will not.
[3:14] <mkopack> hey guys. is there some way in linux to trick it into thinking that you've got an older version of some library package than what's installed?
[3:14] <ferik> kindle power supply?
[3:14] <IT_Sean> dunno. haven't got one.
[3:14] <IT_Sean> what's the rated output?
[3:14] <mkopack> I've got a script that's insisting it find libboost1.42-all-dev and it refuses to continue even thought I have 1.49 installed
[3:14] <IT_Sean> and again, what class is that SD card? Is it a class 10, by chance?
[3:16] <ferik> .85A
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[3:16] <IT_Sean> that shoul work
[3:17] <ferik> class 6
[3:17] <PhonicUK> wow
[3:17] <IT_Sean> class 6 should work.
[3:17] <PhonicUK> I've found a USB memory stick that will read at 125MB/s, write at 80MB/s
[3:17] <mkopack> ferik: you have it hooked up to ethernet?
[3:17] <ferik> mkopack: I do not
[3:18] <PhonicUK> thats a decent case for having a minimal SD image and everything on USB
[3:18] <ferik> mkopack: don't even have a boot yet
[3:18] <mkopack> Ok, do you have ACCESS to a way to hook it up?
[3:18] <mkopack> Just bear with me here
[3:18] <ferik> mkopack: yes, I can hook it up to ethernet
[3:18] <PhonicUK> ferik, just to check - how did you image the SD card?
[3:18] <mkopack> Try hooking it up to ethernet, then power it up and leave it alone for a minute or so. See if the ethernet lights come on.
[3:18] <ferik> diskutil unmount /dev/disk1s1
[3:19] <ferik> dd bs=1m if=debian6-19-04-2012.img of=/dev/rdisk1
[3:19] <mkopack> If they do, then it IS booting up, it's just not putting out video, so you might have to mess with the config.txt to get it to put the video out in a way your display can accept
[3:19] <ferik> diskutil eject /dev/rdisk1
[3:19] <mkopack> follow me?
[3:19] <PhonicUK> okay that's fine then
[3:19] <ferik> mkopack: yes but wouldn't the faint green light not be right?
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[3:19] <mkopack> No, faint means it's reading the SD card
[3:20] <PhonicUK> the green light isnt bright unless the SD is active
[3:20] <mkopack> the OK light is the SD access light as well
[3:20] <PhonicUK> ferik, try this
[3:20] <PhonicUK> put the SD card in another machine
[3:20] <mkopack> which means it's probably accessing lots of files on and off
[3:20] <PhonicUK> and in the FAT32 partition
[3:20] <PhonicUK> find config.txt (or create it if it doesnt exist)
[3:21] <PhonicUK> and add these two lines:
[3:21] <PhonicUK> hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[3:21] <PhonicUK> hdmi_mode=19
[3:21] <PhonicUK> save, sync, boot
[3:21] <mkopack> (might want to give him the over boost one as well)
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[3:21] <PhonicUK> good idea, we'll try this first though
[3:22] <PhonicUK> just so you know, this will make the pi start up in 720p
[3:22] <mkopack> You're hooked up over HDMI, right ferik?
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[3:23] <ed-> sorry, I got dcnx
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[3:24] <ed-> PhonicUK: you were saying to look at the FAT32 partition?
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[3:24] <PhonicUK> ed-, yeah
[3:24] <PhonicUK> pardon me all while i spam a sec:
[3:24] <PhonicUK> PhonicUK> and in the FAT32 partition
[3:24] <PhonicUK> <PhonicUK> find config.txt (or create it if it doesnt exist)
[3:24] <PhonicUK> <PhonicUK> and add these two lines:
[3:24] <PhonicUK> <PhonicUK> hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[3:24] <PhonicUK> <PhonicUK> hdmi_mode=19
[3:24] <mkopack> yes
[3:24] <PhonicUK> <PhonicUK> save, sync, boot
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[3:25] <ed-> I think it might really be DOA
[3:25] <mkopack> No, it's not
[3:25] <mkopack> just relax
[3:25] <PhonicUK> not too likely, and theres a stack of things still to try
[3:25] <mkopack> a LOT of people have been having these issues
[3:25] <PhonicUK> ed-, also you are using HDMI right?
[3:25] <ed-> PhonicUK: yes, HDMI
[3:25] <PhonicUK> those lines ive given you put it into 720p mode and force HDMI output
[3:25] <PhonicUK> so give that a shot first
[3:26] <ed-> ok, added thst
[3:26] <ed-> hold on
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[3:28] <ed-> same thus far
[3:28] * ed- is now known as ferik
[3:28] <ferik> nothing on screen. Strong red light, dim green light
[3:28] <PhonicUK> and the card is inserted firmly?
[3:30] <ferik> yes and tried another HDMI cable
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[3:31] <ferik> seems last batch has issues
[3:31] <PhonicUK> do you have another SD card you can try?
[3:31] <PhonicUK> a lot of people are having SD issues
[3:31] <ferik> es
[3:31] <ferik> yes
[3:31] <ferik> let me go find one
[3:31] <ferik> wouldn't I get a boot screen? some led flashing?
[3:31] <SpeedEvil> No boot screen, no.
[3:31] <IT_Sean> Not if it can't read the SD card
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[3:32] <PhonicUK> you won't get anything at all if its not happy with the SD
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[3:32] <SpeedEvil> if you have errors, it's possible that there may be some sort of boot failure info
[3:32] <PhonicUK> there is no splash or anything intelligent without it
[3:32] <SpeedEvil> but it needs to read a lot in order to display anything
[3:32] <SpeedEvil> So it has to be a low fail rate
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[3:32] <ReggieUK> I had messages spammed to me last night when i booted raspbian
[3:33] <ReggieUK> but it didn't stop it booting
[3:33] <ReggieUK> and didn't scream error
[3:33] <ReggieUK> just a bunch of spam about inhibit bits
[3:33] <ReggieUK> for the SD
[3:33] <D34TH> tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[3:33] <ferik> should try a Class 6 Transcend 16GB SHDC
[3:34] <ferik> or a 8GB kingston micro + adapter
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[3:34] <ReggieUK> mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s)
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[3:35] <ReggieUK> this was a 4gb microSD
[3:35] <SpeedEvil> That is bad. The inhibit bits build up in the chip, and will eventually explode.
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[3:36] <ReggieUK> oh noes!
[3:36] <ReggieUK> busted nand everywhere
[3:36] <mpthompson_> SpeedEvil, was there a Star Trek episode about that?
[3:36] <ReggieUK> it's a class 2 card
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[3:37] <ReggieUK> anywho, it looks like it does a number of retries with this inhibit bit, fails, gives up
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[3:37] <ReggieUK> continues with what it was doing
[3:37] <DaQatz> <ReggieUK> busted nand everywhere <- Please...
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[3:37] <DaQatz> You know nand vapourises when it explodes.
[3:37] <ReggieUK> my bad
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[3:38] <ReggieUK> and every now and again, it spams a bunch of those messages to the kernel log
[3:38] <reallyrose> Yay, I came up with an project idea for my Pi :)
[3:38] <ReggieUK> really?
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[3:39] <SpeedEvil> reallyrose: A little automated guillotine, for rodents?
[3:39] <ferik> PhonicUK: you were right, tried another card (16GB, pitah) and that worked
[3:39] <SpeedEvil> reallyrose: Along with posting the video to youtube?
[3:40] <reallyrose> SpeedEvil: Oh dear, get out of my secret project folder! D:
[3:40] <ferik> odd since this exact card that didn't work is 'known to work'
[3:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, I think you'll find this thread... http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5853&p=77567... completly useless.
[3:40] <SpeedEvil> ferik: Known to work relies on every card with a given brand on it being identical.
[3:40] <SpeedEvil> ferik: Unfortunately - even neglecting the issue of fake cards, this is not the case.
[3:40] <ferik> speedevil: makes sense
[3:41] <ferik> SpeedEvil: too bad I have to sacrifice a 16GB for this
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[3:41] <ReggieUK> you mean that single thread where they guy doesn't get an answer ShiftPlusOne? ;) thanks for looking though buddy :)
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[3:41] <SpeedEvil> I just bought a 4.30 card - and I hope it works.
[3:41] <SpeedEvil> 8G
[3:41] <ReggieUK> I had just been there
[3:41] <SpeedEvil> And had them try to offer it to me free, if I just sign up for a credit card.
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, looks like very mention of this in any conversation just dies off with no solution. Conspiracy
[3:42] <mkopack> ferik: congrats! See, no need to freak out :)
[3:42] <SpeedEvil> I think not - I need a card with cashback, and I don't want to screw my credit file.
[3:42] <mkopack> ferik: now you know you can resize the partition so you can use all 16 GB, right?
[3:42] <ferik> mkopack: on the RPI ?
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[3:43] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, I think this may shed some light on it
[3:43] <ReggieUK> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=753398
[3:43] * mkopack wonders how many RPi's are getting RMA'd because of issues like ferik had??? We've seen at LEAST 4 people with that problem here today
[3:43] <ReggieUK> mkopack, what problem was that?
[3:43] <mkopack> ferik :Can't do it in the RPi, but can if you have another linux machine to put it into
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, what issues are those?
[3:43] <SpeedEvil> it's a pity it doesn't do something if it can't read the SD
[3:44] <mkopack> ReggieUK: ShiftPlusOne: the people who can't get the Pi to do anything and it turns out it's the SD card and/or the HDMI
[3:44] <SpeedEvil> 'if the red LED flashes, it can't read the SD, try another'
[3:44] <mkopack> SpeedEvil: yeah
[3:44] <DaQatz> I had to try a few cards before I found one that worked.
[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I assumed those are all software problems
[3:44] <DaQatz> Only my 1 gigs worked. So I had to shrink my disk images.
[3:45] <ReggieUK> I Would like to see a few people try out non-working SD cards in a reader once the kernel is booted
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[3:45] <mkopack> ok, dammit, I can never remember the command to do this - find / | grep "string in a file I'm searching for" ????
[3:45] <ReggieUK> or in the pi SD slot if they've managed to boot their rootfs from an alternative location
[3:45] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, which distro are you using?
[3:45] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: xargs
[3:45] <ReggieUK> raspbian
[3:45] <mkopack> Speed?
[3:46] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: find / |xargs grep fish
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[3:46] <ReggieUK> of the card? not sure entirely, class 2 is hte best I can give you
[3:46] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, tried plain debian?
[3:46] <ReggieUK> not yet
[3:46] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: Or grep -r fish .
[3:46] <ReggieUK> I won't get to test anything again til late tomorrow probably
[3:46] <SpeedEvil> mkopack: or find . -print0|xargs -0 grep fish
[3:46] <SpeedEvil> If you think people may do files with wierd names to you
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[3:49] <mkopack> Frickin ROS wants lib boost1.42-dev-all and I have libboost1.49-dev-all installed, there is not 1.42 for raspbian??? but it REFUSES to let me continue
[3:49] <SpeedEvil> You may want to add a -type f in there - to avoid it trying to grep pipes and devices
[3:49] <mkopack> so trying to find the file that's explicitly looking for 1.42 so I can change it to look for 1.49
[3:50] <Ben64> mkopack: that sounds like a bad idea
[3:51] <mkopack> give me a better one
[3:51] <ferik> now to get Ethernet going. ifconfig shows no address for eth0. syslog shows flood of NYET/NAK/ACK errors
[3:51] <mkopack> this worked on Debian, but no go on Raspian
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[3:52] <Ben64> why not make a symlink for the library
[3:52] <mkopack> ferik: It's configured for DHCP, you have DHCP?
[3:52] <mkopack> Hmm, that's a thought
[3:52] <ferik> yes, I do
[3:52] <mkopack> ok
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[3:52] <Ben64> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 16 2012-05-25 22:09 libxml2.so.2 -> libxml2.so.2.7.6
[3:52] <Ben64> like so
[3:52] <mkopack> it should have just worked then
[3:52] <ferik> lors of RX packets errors
[3:52] <ferik> going to check the cable
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[3:54] <SpeedEvil> tcpdump may be interesting
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[3:58] <ferik> syslog says link beat detected
[3:58] <ferik> but still no IP
[3:59] <mkopack> you getting link lights on the Pi?
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[4:00] <ferik> SpeedEvil: yeah. ifdown/ifup get me DHCPDISCOVER messages until it gives up
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[4:01] <SpeedEvil> I'd try ifconfiging it to an IP address, and then pinging the router
[4:02] <mkopack> hate to say it, but I'm about to give up on Raspbian for the time being..
[4:02] <mkopack> Just having too many problems getting things I want working on it, and I'm not anywhere near experienced enough to build them myself
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[4:02] <mkopack> and get around the problems
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[4:03] <ferik> is raspbian = debian squeeze, mkopack
[4:04] <mkopack> yes, BUT not everything has been compiled for it yet
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[4:04] <mkopack> so it's NOT quite
[4:04] <DaQatz> read*
[4:04] <DaQatz> y
[4:04] <mkopack> there's still many packages that haven't been built for it yet
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[4:04] <plugwash> No raspbian is NOT based on debian squeeze it is based on debian wheezy
[4:04] <mkopack> and I'm running into issues with software that is looking for things that haven't' been converted over yet
[4:04] <plugwash> and we are rebuilding everything for armv6 hardfloat
[4:05] <mkopack> Nothing against raspbian or the work you guys are doing on it. I LOVE it! I just need a little more completeness at this point given my experience level
[4:05] <plugwash> what do you need that is missing?
[4:05] <mkopack> Just consistently running into weirdness.
[4:05] <ferik> SpeedEvil: didn't work
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[4:06] <mkopack> Like tonight I'm trying to get the older Electric version of ROS working on it??? Installed REAL easily on debian. Tried doing it on Raspbian and it complains that it's looking for libboost1.42-dev-all
[4:06] <mkopack> I installed 1.49-dev-all manually
[4:06] <mkopack> It still don't do it.
[4:06] <mkopack> There is no 1.42 in the raspbian archives.
[4:06] <mkopack> stuff like that
[4:06] <mkopack> Don't sweat it man???
[4:07] <mkopack> You guys are doing great work! I just need to get moving forward with what I want to get done with my RPi??? I'll come back in a month or two and give it another go
[4:07] <mkopack> I WANT that Hardfloat support!
[4:07] <PhonicUK> i want accelerated X11 :(
[4:07] <ferik> I wonder how difficult it'll be to get node.js going
[4:08] <ferik> PhonicUK: I want an IP address!
[4:08] <mkopack> ferik: I think I saw somebody had that running???
[4:08] <mkopack> The forums had somebody talking about node.js in the automation + robotics section
[4:08] <PhonicUK> ferik, I have (2^64) * 3 IPv6 addresses
[4:08] <PhonicUK> you're welcome to a few million :P
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[4:09] <Dagger2> three /64s? bit stingy
[4:09] <ferik> every time I search in the forum for an issue, the last post is : "got a replacement board and it now works"
[4:09] <Dagger2> and not a power of two, so I'm guessing that's not from one provider
[4:09] <PhonicUK> its 3 dedicated servers
[4:09] <PhonicUK> each server has its own /64
[4:09] <mkopack> ferik: and I'm betting in 99% of those cases, the Pi works, it's just their card
[4:10] <Dagger2> ah, yeah, thought so. if you can't request bigger blocks, I stand by my 'stingy' statement
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[4:10] <ferik> mkopack: but with Debian, that now boots. I don't get an IP address.
[4:10] <PhonicUK> why the hell would I need bigger than /64?
[4:10] <DaQatz> ferik: Yeah, you know how long it would take to get a replacement board.
[4:10] <PhonicUK> a /64 gives me 18446744073709551616 IP addresses
[4:10] <mkopack> guess this is a bad time to mention I have 3 :)
[4:11] <ferik> I ordered 4 but they delivered one
[4:11] <mkopack> all in 1 order, or did you split them up?
[4:11] <mkopack> I did 3 individual orders. 2 from Newark, 1 from RS
[4:11] <ferik> if config shows 20000 dropped on RX packets
[4:11] <mkopack> yikes
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[4:12] <PhonicUK> Dagger2, thats enough IPv6 addresses for me to assign 2.72 BILLION addresses for every single human being on the planet!
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[4:12] <PhonicUK> and thats just on one of my 3x /64 ranges
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[4:12] <Dagger2> see, there's your mistake. you're counting IP addresses
[4:12] <Dagger2> IPv6 is too big to be doing that; count subnets instead
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[4:13] <Dagger2> and if you want to run, say, two VPNs... you need a /64 for each one, and you're stuffed
[4:13] <Dagger2> or, say, a VPN and a private network for virtual machines at the same time
[4:13] <PhonicUK> the machines are all VPS hosts running ESXi
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[4:13] <PhonicUK> sat tucked away in a data centre
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[4:17] <Dagger2> well, it's fine if you don't actually need more than one subnet. heck, zero would be fine if you just need IP addresses on the box itself -- just use ones from your upstream segment then
[4:18] <Dagger2> the problem is with providers that refuse to give you more space when you ask for it :/
[4:18] <ferik> any more ideas on IP/DHCP on debian?
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[4:19] <mkopack> ferik: Not I??? short of making real sure you have the cable in there good
[4:19] <ferik> mkopack: all lights are on. tried 3 cables
[4:19] <ferik> in securely
[4:19] <mkopack> Can try forcing networking to restart?
[4:22] <ferik> mkopack: no dice
[4:22] <mkopack> Hmm.. got me man??? sorry
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[4:25] <ferik> giving up for now. Might be an issue with Airport (so I'll try at work) or the board
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[4:26] <ferik> thanks for your help guys
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[4:28] <mkopack> ferik:
[4:28] <mkopack> damn, he left before I could tell him to try using a powered hub for the Kb+mouse...
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[4:44] <mkopack> looking like Rpi #3 is good to go
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[4:54] <DaQatz> Ah okies, seems I have distcc + cross working now.
[4:55] <mkopack> Awesome, I just got an old SLOOOOOOOW 256MB SD card working with RPi #1 and Raspbian so it'll boot and kick over to the SD card??? That frees up another of my 16GB SD cards to do things on the other 2 with
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[4:56] <DaQatz> I see the preprocessor is now the bottle neck.
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[4:57] <mkopack> Yeah, the problem with doing anything distributed, is that it follows this equation: Time to split the work up into N pieces + # concurrent threads * work per thread + time to reassemble (n) results
[4:58] <mkopack> Unfortunately because the Pi is so slow, that first and 3rd segment are going to be your bounding factors in a lot of cases.
[4:58] <DaQatz> Still faster then local compile
[4:58] <mkopack> Oh, I'm sure, especially after doing the splitting up
[4:58] <shirro> DaQatz: read up on pump
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[5:42] <Quietlyawesome94> Hi folks :D
[5:44] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning, sir.
[5:45] <Quietlyawesome94> I just received my Pi today :D
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[5:45] <mkopack> congrats Quietlyawesome94
[5:45] <mkopack> PLEASE tell me it works..
[5:45] <Quietlyawesome94> got OpenElec up and running.
[5:45] <mkopack> good
[5:45] <Quietlyawesome94> So yes.
[5:45] <shirro> Welcome to the club. Less exclusive by the day
[5:45] <mkopack> we've had a slew of folks in the last 24 hours come in with issues??? nearly all resolved by changing SD cards
[5:46] <mkopack> anyhow, I'm heading to bed. Later gang!
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[5:46] <Quietlyawesome94> Well only issue I've run into is no sound over HDMI in openelec.
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[5:46] <beardface> ohhh yeah, check out my case :) https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Zul7zghvAss/T8g40mnrQuI/AAAAAAAAIBQ/PxvlGDUpLS4/w391-h521-k/12%2B-%2B1
[5:47] <Quietlyawesome94> nice!
[5:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Quietlyawesome94, sraue is the one to annoy about that, I think.
[5:47] <Quietlyawesome94> sraue: annoy annoy :P
[5:47] <Quietlyawesome94> I need to make a punnet case\
[5:47] <beardface> Here is the back: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WxScVdiyd0s/T8g5wvwopzI/AAAAAAAAIBs/ukGFSZYLof8/w391-h521-k/12%2B-%2B1
[5:47] <beardface> Sorry, bad resolution
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[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> beardface, think I saw that before... designed yourself or pulled off a repo?
[5:48] <beardface> modified a version on thingiverse
[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, thought it looked familiar but not quite
[5:48] <beardface> added mount holes, and slots on back
[5:48] <beardface> and a pi emblem on the front
[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[5:49] <Quietlyawesome94> Can a terminal be opened in openelec?
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Quietlyawesome94, is ssh an option for you?
[5:49] <Quietlyawesome94> I currently have no internet access on my Pi
[5:49] <Quietlyawesome94> ssh is over network right?
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[5:50] <Quietlyawesome94> then no. I intend on getting a network card soon though.
[5:50] <ShiftPlusOne> beardface, your case doesn't seem to have that crappy texture to it, did you sand it down or something?
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[5:51] <beardface> no, i just print better
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the trick?
[5:51] <beardface> calibration
[5:51] <sraue> Quietlyawesome94, no there is no console, also console switching will not really work, i think OpenGLES prevents us from switching... so you must go the way via ssh
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> psh
[5:51] <beardface> the top and bottom of my prints are like glass too
[5:52] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, he also had sound issues over hdmi
[5:52] <beardface> finally got my pi booting
[5:52] <beardface> had to use latest boot.img from git
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[5:53] <ShiftPlusOne> beardface, well kudos on your calibration skills, it's a good looking case (colour choice aside).
[5:53] <Quietlyawesome94> sraue: well this is what I was going to do to get sound over HDMI
[5:53] <Quietlyawesome94> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6728
[5:53] <beardface> i like the silver
[5:53] <Quietlyawesome94> he was doing it on another image with a terminal
[5:53] <beardface> i can print in orange, blue, white and yellow also
[5:53] <Quietlyawesome94> I thought I'd try
[5:53] <beardface> oh and red
[5:53] <sraue> hehe this is much text i must read
[5:54] <sraue> how you connect your raspi to your tv? via hdmi direct?
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[5:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Quietlyawesome94, yeah I think I recall someone with the same issue and changing hdmi_drive or something like that helped... not sure though.
[5:55] <ShiftPlusOne> beardface, do you sell or just for yourself?
[5:55] <Quietlyawesome94> sraue using a full HDMI cable
[5:55] <beardface> thinking about selling; dont know what to price them at
[5:55] <beardface> they take me about 2 hours start to finish to print
[5:55] <Quietlyawesome94> ShiftPlusOne: Hmm open the SD card and modify a file with that line?
[5:56] <sraue> Quietlyawesome94, you have disabled ac3 and dts in xbmc audio settings?
[5:56] <Quietlyawesome94> I can certainly go check
[5:56] <Quietlyawesome94> I want them disabled? yes?
[5:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Quietlyawesome94, yeah, in config.txt add hdmi_drive=2
[5:57] <Quietlyawesome94> will do.
[5:57] <Quietlyawesome94> I already love this channel.
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[5:58] <ShiftPlusOne> beardface, jamesglanville was selling his for ?17.00 GBP ($28) including shipping.
[5:58] <D34TH> hey a5m0
[5:59] <Quietlyawesome94> ShiftPlusOne: I have cmdline.txt but no config.txt
[5:59] <ShiftPlusOne> then make it
[5:59] <Quietlyawesome94> Thought I would hear that xD
[5:59] <ShiftPlusOne> using notepad, not word or anything like that. (assuming you're on windows)
[6:00] <Quietlyawesome94> I have notepad++
[6:00] <ShiftPlusOne> perfect
[6:01] <a5m0> hey D34TH
[6:01] <D34TH> fancy seeing you here
[6:01] <beardface> hm
[6:01] <a5m0> i'm normally here, but my power went out this morning and i had to restart everything
[6:01] <beardface> i'll post it and see what people are willing to pay
[6:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I think $15 + shipping is fair. I'd buy it.
[6:07] <Quietlyawesome94> Got audio!
[6:08] <Quietlyawesome94> press the settings button while in a video and strangely enough set audio output to Analog
[6:08] <ebswift> ah nice
[6:08] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[6:08] <Quietlyawesome94> along with the config.txt file
[6:08] <ShiftPlusOne> that's a strange 'fix'
[6:08] <ebswift> yeah, i do remember now to use the jack plug i had to change to analog... and in a couple of places from memory
[6:08] <Quietlyawesome94> everything else under settings>system was set to HDMI
[6:08] <ebswift> but obviously hdmi is different...
[6:09] <Quietlyawesome94> sounds great too!
[6:09] <ebswift> openelec has more settings somewhere under programs
[6:09] <ebswift> something like programs->openelec->openelec settings
[6:09] <ebswift> something weird like that anyway
[6:09] <ShiftPlusOne> what's in there?
[6:10] <Quietlyawesome94> Gonna call my sister and mom in and show them what 1080p looks like :D
[6:10] <ebswift> stuff like network and audio settings
[6:10] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[6:10] <SStrife> wow, noatime is a huge shot in the arm for SD card speed
[6:10] <ShiftPlusOne> really?
[6:10] <DaQatz> Yeah, tends to be.
[6:10] <SStrife> yeah
[6:11] <ShiftPlusOne> have you guys tried this http://blogofterje.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/optimizing-fs-on-sd-card/ ?
[6:11] <SStrife> just because of how SD cards do updates
[6:11] <SStrife> read and write 128KB (or whatever) just to change one byte
[6:11] <DaQatz> Went through all those opts when the first eeepc's came out.
[6:11] <DaQatz> That was for reduced writing though
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[6:17] <SStrife> OK, this is weird
[6:17] <SStrife> my OK light is off
[6:17] <SStrife> it comes on when the sd card is being accessed :-/
[6:18] <SStrife> rather than the other way around
[6:18] <shirro> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/commit/9efb470560c1507af609524f79b12fdf2b8ba30d
[6:18] <shirro> SStrife: see above
[6:18] <SStrife> ah
[6:18] <SStrife> well there you go
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[6:24] <sraue> SStrife, can you run "sync; rm testing; sync; time ( dd if=/dev/zero of=testing bs=16k count=10000; sync)" with and without noatime and tell me both results?
[6:26] <SStrife> what would that tell you about read performance?
[6:26] <SStrife> noatime and nodiratime means the OS doesn't update the "last accessed time" every time it accesses a file
[6:26] <SStrife> writing bytes to the card would be unaffected
[6:26] <Quietlyawesome94> Ok so now that I have audio working... I oughta start ripping my DVD collection.
[6:27] <SStrife> especially sequential bytes to a single file
[6:27] <Quietlyawesome94> What format should I use where it is smaller in file size but great video quality?
[6:27] <sraue> ok
[6:31] <SStrife> it does help if you're doing something that accesses lots of different file
[6:31] <SStrife> because you avoid an SD card write every time it opens a new file
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[6:45] <ebswift> Quietlyawesome94, h.264, you'll have to work from maybe 720p down until the picture on your tv looks crap
[6:46] <Quietlyawesome94> what do you use to convert?
[6:46] <ebswift> you could use handbrake
[6:46] <Quietlyawesome94> Ok. Does that remove the protection?
[6:46] <ebswift> generally i like to stick with 720p
[6:47] <Quietlyawesome94> I can go grab AnyDVD if it doesn't
[6:47] <ebswift> yeah, you'll need something like anydvd
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[6:58] <scottz> beardface: Do you have a top for your case?
[6:58] <beardface> yeah one sec
[6:58] <beardface> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E52ywFPNFgc/T8hJy7XvF3I/AAAAAAAAIDI/PdPKTMQfWIo/w391-h521-k/12%2B-%2B1
[6:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Quietlyawesome94, I like winff for converting
[6:59] <Quietlyawesome94> Thank you will remember that
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[7:10] <beardface> Posted on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180896692038&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123#ht_500wt_1229
[7:11] <DaQatz> Not gonna spend 20 on a pi case...
[7:11] <beardface> Great :) Then you wont have to worry about buying it
[7:12] <beardface> I don't want to have to print lots of these
[7:12] <beardface> so i'm not going to give them away
[7:12] <SStrife> i'd need a case with a slot for a ribbon cable off the GPIO header
[7:12] <DaQatz> It looks nice and all.
[7:12] <beardface> I can print you one if you'd like
[7:12] <DaQatz> But 20 for a case, for something that costs 35.
[7:12] <beardface> same price for custom
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[7:13] <beardface> DaQatz: I spent ~50 in accessories alone already, so i get it
[7:13] * DaQatz shrugs.
[7:13] <beardface> :) I wouldn't pay 20 for a case either
[7:13] <beardface> no harm
[7:13] <beardface> well I also get them free.
[7:13] <beardface> but you know what i mean
[7:14] <SStrife> nice, just finished compiling VICE for SDL
[7:14] <SStrife> now to give it a burl
[7:15] <DaQatz> Nice
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[7:15] <DaQatz> You compiling straight? Or distcc + cross?
[7:15] <SStrife> nah, on the device
[7:16] <SStrife> now that i have two Pi's, i could distcc
[7:16] <DaQatz> Well distcc + cross is as nice as on the device. A lot of the work is still done on it.
[7:16] <SStrife> hmm
[7:17] <SStrife> if i ever take on something more significant, i might look in to that
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[7:18] <DaQatz> Bottle necks on the preprossosr
[7:18] <DaQatz> preprocessor*
[7:18] <DaQatz> Might look at pump mode
[7:20] <DaQatz> A pure pi build farm would be nice though
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[8:11] <SStrife> rpi-update changes some files in /opt doesn't it?
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[8:12] <ome> I so need a board, has anyone got one for offer ? the stuff on ebay is way too expensive.
[8:13] <ome> inbox me with a reasonable price and I will get back to you.
[8:13] <DaQatz> Not willing to sell mine.
[8:13] <DaQatz> You see there is the issue, by the time someone is willing to sell the board. The price is kinda high.
[8:13] <GabrialDestruir_> 545 Pounds
[8:14] <GabrialDestruir_> That's the cost of mine.
[8:15] <mjr> the price on ebay probably reflects people not generally having them on offer for cheap
[8:16] <GabrialDestruir_> Or Exploitation.
[8:16] <GabrialDestruir_> Get 2 or 3 for cheap, then you can set any proce you want when they're rare.
[8:16] <ome> I have a projecty that I have to start really soon and I would love to use a RPi for it. else I can get a far more powerful board with the same price.
[8:17] <ome> of course it will not have the RPi cool factor.
[8:17] <hotwings> supply & demand dude
[8:17] <GabrialDestruir_> Exactly.
[8:17] <DaQatz> ome: Don't waste money on hype
[8:17] <GabrialDestruir_> S&D
[8:17] <hotwings> if you want the new shiney, its going to cost you
[8:17] <ShiftPlusOne> why would anybody in their right mind sell it for less than it's worth on ebay?
[8:17] <ome> hotwings: what do you mean ? if it was supply & demand no one would had to wait for RPi. because the demand is out there, clearly.
[8:17] <DaQatz> ome: Either wait for a pi, or buy something beefier for more, and get it faster.
[8:18] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay....
[8:18] <GabrialDestruir_> I'll sell mine for 100 Pounds
[8:18] <GabrialDestruir_> Sound fair?
[8:18] <hotwings> ome - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
[8:18] <ome> far more expensive then what you get on ebay.
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[8:21] <ome> DaQatz: I would probably do that, specially that I don't need a powerful GPU.
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[8:21] <ome> hotwings: ah that makes sense.
[8:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Basically from a sellers point of view, if a customer says "Hey, you can sell this to somebody else for much more, but how about you sell it to me for much less instead?", you wouldn't be too tempted to make the transaction.
[8:23] <ome> agree, I shouldn't have asked that way even if it's truth. as I am only obligeted to make sure whatever I say is truth but not to say every truth.
[8:23] <GabrialDestruir_> 100 Pounds is my price, I would sell it for a penny less.
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[8:24] <ome> Good luck with that GabrialDestruir_.
[8:24] <GabrialDestruir_> It's such a clean conversion into USD too 153.75000 no little fractions of a penny
[8:24] <ome> it's around ~100 USD on ebay.
[8:25] <GabrialDestruir_> 53 USD sentimental tax. This Pi after all does have some meaning to me and such. Why would I give it away for just the "going rate?
[8:25] <neofutur> ome: i had to wait 3 months before i can order, and now have to wait 2 more weeks for delivery
[8:25] <mjr> "This is my Pi. There are many like it, but this one is mine."
[8:26] <neofutur> this have a price too ;)
[8:26] <neofutur> i wont sell mine for less than 200 $
[8:26] <ome> what mjr said.
[8:26] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[8:26] <GabrialDestruir_> mjr wins the internet for that reference.
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[8:49] <GabrialDestruir_> Are people actually paying 20 bucks ontop of the Pi's cost just to get a purchase code? .-.
[8:49] <chancellorsmith> hi all, theres a guy on here that had a really useful guide to repartitioning the SD card to release the extra space??? anyone got the link ?
[8:50] <ome> GabrialDestruir_: that would be 20 + ~35, makes sense than to buy one for 100$. doesn't ?
[8:51] <GabrialDestruir_> Why pay extra at all?
[8:51] <GabrialDestruir_> That's silly...
[8:51] <Gadgetoid> GabrialDestruir_: supply and demand!
[8:52] <ome> some people just need the board.
[8:52] <ome> it's pretty simple.
[8:52] <GabrialDestruir_> They don't need it, they just want it.
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[8:52] <Gadgetoid> If you want one, and can afford it??? why the hell not! without people "just wanting" stuff, half the jobs in the world would disappear overnight :D
[8:53] <ome> GabrialDestruir_: that is not true.
[8:53] <ome> but I am not denying that lots of people want it.
[8:53] <GabrialDestruir_> It is true.
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[8:53] <GabrialDestruir_> No one is going to die just because they don't get a Raspberry Pi
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> chancellorsmith, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
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[8:54] <chancellorsmith> aha??? it's you !
[8:54] <chancellorsmith> brilliant guide - many thanks
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> yup!
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> cheers.
[8:54] <ome> GabrialDestruir_: nope they will not die, but still have to still cash out for some other board.
[8:54] <ome> because people needs to get jobs done.
[8:54] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon knows all the things
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[8:54] <ome> s\still cash\cash\
[8:55] <chancellorsmith> gordonDrogon: any reason the resize can't be done remotely over SSH ?
[8:55] <GabrialDestruir_> It's not a need, unless it directly affects their ability to stay alive it isn't a true need.
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[8:55] <Gadgetoid> ome: if people desperately need an ARM dev board to do their jobs, and don't already have one??? they're doing it wrong :D
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> chancellorsmith, no reason at all. you just need to enable ssh first.
[8:56] <Gadgetoid> s/ARM/notARMineedtostopassumingeverythingisARM
[8:56] <GabrialDestruir_> Actually I'd say the first one is right...
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[8:57] <GabrialDestruir_> If they're wanting a Pi they're clearly wanting an ARM board :p
[8:57] <chancellorsmith> gordonDrogon: i'm on arch - ssh on by default which is cool
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[8:57] <chancellorsmith> ta
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[8:58] <gordonDrogon> chancellorsmith, ok. I only really know debian...
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[8:58] <kekzpriester> how shall i shutdown my RPi before powering it off? init 0 reboots, so it's difficult to pull the power cord in the right moment
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[8:59] <GabrialDestruir_> shutdown -h now
[8:59] <ome> Gadgetoid: so I should stock up on possible boards before I have the need for one of them to get a job done ?
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> init 0 ought to halt itm not reboot.
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> kekzpriester, just type sudo halt
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[9:00] <gordonDrogon> kekzpriester, but init 0 really should halt it. init 6 is reboot.
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[9:04] <kekzpriester> okay, thanks. gonna try it. last time, i could log into the RPi again after 2min
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> right.that's the first lot of invoices out. pinch/punch/1st of the month/no return tickets and all that.
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> breakfast time.
[9:06] <GabrialDestruir_> I wonder how lucky I'll get when it comes to this laptop dock .-.
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[9:09] <arfonzo> morning all, does anyone know what I can use to test for RaspberryPi during configure? I.e., #if defined(__LINUX__)
[9:10] <freezer> arfonzo, little endian?
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[9:11] <arfonzo> eh?
[9:13] <DaQatz> I do not think the Pi has nay special defines.
[9:13] <DaQatz> At least not that can tell it from any other ARMv6
[9:14] <arfonzo> ok DaQatz. What about ARMv6 then?
[9:15] <DaQatz> What are you using autotools, cmake?
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[9:16] <arfonzo> well, both eventually, I just want to understand what special defines I should be using
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[9:16] <shirro> probably should be checking for specific features not the overall platform
[9:17] <GabrialDestruir_> 5 Days is a long time to wait on a bid .-.
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[9:19] <DaQatz> with cmake it's ${CMAKE_SYSTEM_PROCESSOR}
[9:19] <DaQatz> you need to check
[9:19] <DaQatz> Been awhile since I used autotools
[9:20] <DaQatz> I know it can do it as well
[9:20] <DaQatz> And shirro is right, testing for features is the better route
[9:20] <DaQatz> Far more portable
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[9:41] <Xpl01t> P4R4N01D: e a?? paraibano? j?? comprou o seu RPi?
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[9:57] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough I need to test if some s/w is on a Pi or not during build/compile time, but I'm thinking of simply using --enable-pi-features in ./configure or something.
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[10:00] <gordonDrogon> Hey - the Arc is 25 today. http://www.reghardware.com/2012/06/01/acorn_archimedes_is_25_years_old/
[10:00] <Andrive> Good morning, dear Pi community;)
[10:00] <haltdef> you're 25 today
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> So 5 years on from the BBC B, we got the 32-bit ARM.
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[10:01] <Adya> Good morning:)
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> 01-06-2012 05:54 Exeter Depot Loaded to vehicle for delivery
[10:03] <haltdef> pi?
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> Tracking my next Pi ...
[10:03] <haltdef> mine was just royal fail
[10:03] <Adya> Why?
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> this is parcelfarce...
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> from RS.
[10:03] <haltdef> never had any issues with parcelforce :P
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> the farnell one came via Royal fail...
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> actually, for the most part PF & RM have been very good for me.
[10:04] <haltdef> just started a trial of amazon prime
[10:04] <haltdef> first order, royal mail, late
[10:04] <Adya> Hah:)
[10:04] <haltdef> shocker :P
[10:04] <drazyl> apart from the continual price increases I think the postal service is great
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> what's amazon prime?
[10:04] <drazyl> free next day delivery
[10:04] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Parcelforce, named thus because they'll force your parcel through the door :D
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[10:05] <haltdef> it varies a lot depending on where in the country you are
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> and county, and town ...
[10:05] <haltdef> down here they're not brilliant, in the midlands I never had a single problem
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[10:06] <gordonDrogon> my local PF and UPS delivery people are good and I often take in parcels for neighbours as I'm mostly at home.
[10:06] <haltdef> orderedd a ??4 game, due to arrive today
[10:06] <haltdef> 1 package via Royal Mail
[10:06] <haltdef> or not
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[10:07] <haltdef> preordered an album too under prime, see if I get it on release day :>
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> I always opt for "signed for" when sending stuff, if possible.
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[10:08] <gordonDrogon> I think today will be building Debian packages day.
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> need to read-up on all that. it's not something I've done a lot of...
[10:09] <arfonzo> Hm, I've compiled Synchronet BBS and I'm running a BBS off my RPi... neato
[10:10] <haltdef> building?
[10:10] <haltdef> making your own .deb or compiling an existing package from source for pi?
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> making my own .deb.
[10:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, I've broken ct-ng build
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> I think releasing a .tgz might be a bit much for some folks - although the source is all going to be GPL.
[10:12] <cri1> is it possible to view the contents of the SD card on windows
[10:13] <arfonzo> sure cril, there are ext2/3/4 readers for windows, for example.
[10:14] <cri1> writers?
[10:14] <arfonzo> Not sure.
[10:14] <cri1> i made a change to config.txt and then on reboot i got no display, if i was able to change the config.txt in windows it would have been an easy fix
[10:15] <_rp> i think there is software that will allow you to write ext
[10:15] <_rp> sure i've used it before years ago
[10:15] <cri1> name?
[10:16] <_rp> i think it's called icantbearsedtousegoogle
[10:16] <_rp> but then again, i could be wrong
[10:16] <_rp> =]
[10:17] <lennard> erm
[10:17] <lennard> the config.txt is on a fat partition
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[10:17] <cri1> i ask because i tried a search earlier today and the results didnt help
[10:18] <cri1> thought u might recall the specific one
[10:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> bootc: "the USB code is now built-in instead of being a module" :D
[10:18] <_rp> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[10:18] <bootc> Gadgetoid_mbp: :-)
[10:18] <lennard> I'm pretty sure you don't need to do ext* for the config.txt
[10:18] <_rp> is one piece of software
[10:18] <lennard> for the rest of the OS, yes :)
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[10:18] <cri1> lennard: i plug the sd into the xp box and try to click on the drive letter and it asks if i want to format the drive
[10:19] <cri1> it cant see any fat partition on the sd
[10:19] <lennard> intersting
[10:19] <lennard> I thought fat was required for booting
[10:19] <_rp> try re-inserting the sd card
[10:20] <_rp> i had that problem and could see the contents after re-inserting the card
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> cri1, I wonder if the partition table of the SD card is somehow corrupt...
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> SD technology does seem somewhat.... interesting :)
[10:20] <cri1> i formatted the sd and loaded the fresh image on again
[10:21] <cri1> it boots again now but if i plug it back into the xp box it still doesnt see any fat partition
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[10:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmmm, crosstools-ng doesn't want to find eglibc
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[10:35] <Gabrial|web> Apparently.... to get a single custom designed USB cord costs 50-60USD
[10:36] <Gabrial|web> and that's just a short 1 inch piece of cord .-.
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[10:44] <arfonzo> cri1: do you have another linux machine?
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[10:44] <freezer> hi
[10:44] <arfonzo> I rescued my SD by using a linux VM in the past (I've got a windows host)
[10:44] <freezer> connected my Pi to the DisplayPort of a DELL monitor
[10:45] <freezer> but it does not seem to detect the monitor
[10:45] <arfonzo> (I redirected the sd card from win host into linux vm, and mounted the sd in linux)
[10:45] <freezer> stays in standby, and goes back there if i turn it on manually
[10:45] <freezer> i used a HDMI -> DP Adapter
[10:46] <haltdef> hdmi and DP aren't compatible, are they?
[10:46] <freezer> yes they are
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[10:46] <freezer> i connected my DP to my hdmi tv and this worked
[10:46] <haltdef> http://www.datapro.net/techinfo/displayport_info.html#Is_DisplayPort_compatible_with_VGA_DVI_HDMI
[10:47] <haltdef> If the DisplayPort hardware has built-in adaption, then a DisplayPort-to-HDMI cable or adapter will function perfectly. If not, then an external HDMI-DisplayPort convertor will be necessary.
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[10:48] <freezer> so the DELL probably lacks adaption?
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[10:50] <bootc> freezer: you can only go from DP to HDMI with an adaptor cable
[10:50] <bootc> the other way would need some active conversion hardware
[10:56] <Gabrial|web> Oh this is gonna be a lot of work to make a cord for the laptop dock mod xD
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[11:03] <freezer> bootc, shit
[11:04] <freezer> bootc, HDMI<->DVI should work though?
[11:04] <haltdef> yes
[11:04] <frankivo> hdmi is basicly dvi with audio :p
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[11:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000GDI6FC <- that works
[11:12] <haltdef> doesn't your monitor have an hdmi port? my dell does :/
[11:12] <MaZ-> monitors last longer than 3 years
[11:12] <MaZ-> im still using a 2407, it has 1 dvi and a vga
[11:12] <haltdef> old school
[11:12] <MaZ-> best school
[11:13] <haltdef> not compared to a u2711 :P
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[11:13] <gordonDrogon> I have an old (Dell) 17" tube monitor... can't et rid of it )-:
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[11:19] <bootc> freezer: yes HDMI<=>DVI should be no problem
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[11:26] <freezer> yay it works
[11:26] <Adya> What time is it now in England?
[11:26] <freezer> but it seems like it's not scaling 1:1?
[11:26] <freezer> there are black borders
[11:27] <frankivo> 10:25 i guess
[11:27] <maltloaf> 10.25
[11:27] <haltdef> disable_overscan=1 in config.txt
[11:27] <haltdef> not sure why that's enabled by default tbh
[11:27] <Adya> Thanks:)
[11:27] <freezer> haltdef, thx
[11:27] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Better to have black borders on some TVs by default than text cut off on some TVs by default
[11:27] <mjr> because we need to have TV legacy
[11:28] <haltdef> those TVs are just stupid :P
[11:28] <Adya> Just need to count that I need
[11:28] <haltdef> got a couple that do it with the dreambox, can't disable it
[11:28] <haltdef> ridiculous
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[11:29] <freezer> where do i find config.txt? :X
[11:29] <freezer> it's not in /boot
[11:29] <haltdef> make it
[11:30] <freezer> so just vi config.txt
[11:30] <freezer> with one line
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> I first booted a Pi on an old monitor - I was glad of the default overscan settings.
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> however it is a bit of a pita at times!
[11:33] <MaZ-> man, setting up sources in xbmc with no keyboard is a ballache
[11:34] <BCMM> can somebody who has a Pi answer something that's i've been wondering about?
[11:34] <BCMM> (i apologise for that grammar)
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[11:34] <MaZ-> BCMM: you have to ask it first
[11:34] <GibbaTheHutt> MaZ-, not sure how you set those up, but could you ssh in? Thats what I do now to mine for a lot of stuff
[11:34] <BCMM> what is the default IO scheduler for the SD card, in whichever distro you are using?
[11:35] <MaZ-> GibbaTheHutt: you can edit sources.xml, but i've had a bit of ridiculousness with that
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[11:35] <MaZ-> (via ssh)
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, seems to be CFQ if that's what your asking.
[11:35] <BCMM> on a desktop you can check /sys/class/block/sda/queue/scheduler, but i don't know what the /dev/ node for hte SD card is. mmc1 onerpahs?
[11:35] <MaZ-> its like /.xbmc/userdata/sources.xml
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[11:36] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: i thought it might be. shouldn't it be noop or deadline?
[11:36] <MaZ-> but i've edited it a couple of times and it doesn't appear to take effect when xbmc gets first-booted
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi0: cat /sys/class/block/mmcblk0/queue/scheduler
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> noop deadline [cfq]
[11:36] <BCMM> i mean, cfq is for devices with seek time
[11:36] <freezer> ok overscan is off
[11:36] <freezer> and now it uses 100%
[11:36] <BCMM> and often makes sub-optimum decisions on devices with no seek time
[11:37] <freezer> graphics are a bit slow ;)
[11:37] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: debian? fedora?
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, Hm. I've often wondered abotu that and (e.g.) SSDs.
[11:37] <MaZ-> also: no pi at work to check, whats the architecture of the debian image for rpi?
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, Debian, but that's on a self-compiled kernel.
[11:37] <MaZ-> (armel, armhf?)
[11:37] <freezer> the GPU should be able to do fast 2D graphics?
[11:37] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: most advice says that most desktop SSDs prefer not to have CFQ
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, let me check the kernel config a mo...
[11:37] <BCMM> some people say deadline but they don't say why, noop seems to me to be theoretically best
[11:37] <freezer> guess it's a matter of driver development?
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, So Deadlne, no-op or cfq are the choices...
[11:38] <BCMM> apparently there are a few SSDs out there that benefit from CFQ, presumably due to some layer of HD compatiblity or some such
[11:38] <mjr> freezer, it can, if you do them with opengl es ;) (or openvg, I suppose)
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> I suspect that given it's so slow (relatively speaking), tweaking the scheduller isn't going to have much effect at all.
[11:39] <BCMM> see, cfq tries to group together writes to nearby areas
[11:39] <BCMM> whereas noop just is pure first-come-first-served
[11:39] <freezer> can i do a apt-get upgrade safely?
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> MaZ-, arch is armv6l
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[11:40] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: on the contrary, if it's the bottleneck, it's most vital that it's as fast as possible
[11:40] <MaZ-> hrm
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> MaZ-, however the standard debian uses the soft-float abi, and raspbian uses the hard-float abi.
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, I meant the SD device being slow... but I don't know really how well/bad SD's do in seek latency times.
[11:40] <MaZ-> gordonDrogon: ty
[11:41] <friggle> even worse, armel debian packages don't even use the floating point hardware within functions (unless they have runtime detection)
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> friggle, I know - you can compile them with the -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s -mfloat-abi=softfp flags though.
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> that uses the hardware FP, but still uses the softfp ABI.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> so better, but not perfect.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> freezer, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade Should be OK. I've been doing it for a while.
[11:43] <freezer> ya doing it right now
[11:44] <freezer> mjr, does that work right now? would you recommend it?
[11:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> http://store.three.co.uk/Samsung_Galaxy_S_III
[11:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Is it just me seeing a freakin' iPad on that page?
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, I might experiemnt with my old AAO netbook - it has a slow 8GB SSD in it...
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, heh.. I suspect three have cocked-up somewhere :)
[11:45] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: theoretically, SD cards shouldn't have seek time
[11:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Haha, I thought I was going insane! I wanted to get a deeplink to the S3 page so I could advertise it
[11:46] <friggle> gordonDrogon: indeed
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, that's what I though, but I'm sure reading somewhere (here maybe?) that SD's have a bit of overhead with sending the seek commands as opposed to streaming consecutive blocks, but who knows for sure ...
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[11:49] <zgreg> netsurf seems to be the most usable browser for the pi
[11:49] <zgreg> if web browsing is what you desire
[11:52] <cri> what about office suite?
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> BCMM: SD read latency is due largely to the slow CPUs in the device, and lack of RAM. write is due to the fact that the real blocks are ~130K, and it's got to do read/erase/write a lot of the time
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon:
[11:54] <zgreg> SD performance is also seriously limited by the pi's SD interface
[11:54] <BCMM> SpeedEvil: i hadn't thought of a CPU limit - no DMA?
[11:54] <zgreg> most cards just get 4-5 MB/s at sequential reads, while they're usually capable of at least 15 MB/s
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> yea, so there's a lot going on, and due to the relatively slow speed, and overheads, wondering if tweaks to (e.g.) the scheduller are worth it...
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, there is dma AIUI, but the interface to the SD appears to be slow.
[11:55] <zgreg> I hope this will improve... the SD performance on the pi is really subpar at the moment
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[11:56] <gordonDrogon> but again, it all depends on what people will be using it for ... for little programs with minimal swapping going on, then it's perfectly adequate.
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> running open/libre office is not what it's going to be good at!
[11:56] <zgreg> I bet bootup and loading programs is mostly slowed down by the crappy SD read performance
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> although I might just load up latex and see what happens ;)
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, actually, I'm not convinced it's really that slow on booting. How often are you going to boot it?
[11:57] <BCMM> bootup and program startup are perfect examples of where scheduling matters
[11:57] <MaZ-> zgreg: boot isnt exactly an issue though is it, with the power use :p
[11:57] <BCMM> because they involve reading so many different files
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[11:57] <MaZ-> boot once => leave it running forever!
[11:58] <nickoe> Should the debian lxde windows be sluggish when moving them around
[11:58] <shirro> you could do some preloading at boot.
[11:58] <nickoe> ?
[11:58] * gordonDrogon reboots with a stopwatch...
[12:00] <shirro> in the time it takes to get an ip address by dhcp you could probably mmap and touch the pages for X, lxpanel etc
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> ok. poweron to login propmt: 28 seconds. Login, then start X and X is ready at 48 seconds after power on. Take 5 secs off for login & typing startx and it's 43 seconds...
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> that's raspbian with my own kernel and xfce4
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> so it's under a minute.
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> I can live with that.
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> BCMM: There is a small CPU in the card - which has to look through the indexes of blocks to find the desired block. It often does not have enough RAM to store the full list of where all blocks are
[12:01] <shirro> X will be up even faster if you use jwm
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> hence read slowdown
[12:01] <shirro> it is still pretty fast
[12:01] <BCMM> SpeedEvil: on the actual SD card?
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:01] <BCMM> i know SD was a slightly stupid format, but...
[12:01] <BCMM> oh, i suppose it's the only way to do wear-levelling
[12:02] <Habbie> it is
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> And error correction.
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> I had an idea once upon a time to produce an image that booted directly into my BASIC.
[12:03] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: If you do it with a blue background and white text, BRING IT!
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> so just enough initrc to chech/mount the filesystem and launch basic :)
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> should be able to get that down to under 20 seconds :)
[12:04] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: You could do that all in the kernel/initrd on /boot and keep the whole SD in fat32 for data interchange
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> Not quite the burrr beep of an Apple II or BBC B, however ...
[12:04] <shirro> gordonDrogon: booting into basic would be pretty cool actually. Especially if you had a command to load the operating system
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, actually, that's a good idea..
[12:05] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Then you wouldn't even need a dd installer, just unzip to an out-of-the-box SD card and away you go
[12:10] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: you could probably do a lot better than 20 seconds
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[12:10] <BCMM> if you just want to boot a BASIC shell, you could use it as the init binary in an initramfs
[12:10] <BCMM> oh somebody already said that
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[12:11] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, sure - the kernel itself loads in 1-2 seconds - it's all the /etc/init.d/* stuff that takes the time.
[12:11] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: i mean, how much of htat do you need for a BASIC shell?
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, not sure - starting the network, setting the time ...
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[12:12] <BCMM> presumably there is a lightweight text-only classic BASIC shell around?
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, keyboard ...
[12:12] <BCMM> what do you need network for?
[12:12] <BCMM> keyboard is the kernel's business
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, I wrote my own basic ... :)
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, need to make sure they keymaps are sane for the country...
[12:12] <BCMM> i once did an experiment to try to make a really fast-booting system
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, network - yes, good point, but I have a notion to save/load to a remote serve, etc.
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> on a kerel tuned to the hardware, you can boot it in under a second.
[12:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> XECLoader starts up in no time at all to a bash script, depending on the requirements of basic you could probably get pretty quick
[12:13] <BCMM> a single statically-compiled console program as init and as the only file in an initramfs
[12:13] <BCMM> it worked fine
[12:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Haven't tried the network-enabled XECLoader yet, but it can't be much slower
[12:13] <BCMM> i suspect the kb layout was wrong, as you said
[12:14] <BCMM> i mean if you just want to interact with a single console-based program, that's almost the kernel's default behaviour :)
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> I think going back to an old style /etc/rc just to initialise a few small things (like keyboard) is OK - with the final command being to launch basic.
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> I've now got my basic running on the console hapilly and auto-detecting screen size, etc. too.
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[12:15] <gordonDrogon> does fat32 need fsck?
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[12:16] <fALSO> it can get currupted
[12:16] <fALSO> like other FS
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> anyone used webdav? would that be a way to save/load from a remote (or local) server ?
[12:18] <fALSO> it kind of sucks
[12:18] <fALSO> ftp is a better option
[12:18] <fALSO> if you can use it
[12:18] <fALSO> or sftp
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> needs an ftp server then... and it all needs to be easily callable from a C program.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> although local store/load to the SD is fine I guess.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> just daydreaming of a school class of Pi's running BASIC to a central server...
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> Ah, NFS booting :)
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> of-course in the old days, I'd have thought nothing of nfs booting and providing NIS(YP) auth, so login prompt on the pi, login/auth then have /bin/bash replaced via /bin/rtb to turn-key them into BASIC :)
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> however who (in a school) knows how to setup & run nfs/nis these days )-:
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[12:23] <shirro> Use a Pi as server for the Pi clients. Then you can customise it so school staff don't have to think
[12:24] <shirro> Just have to make sure it works with a few major brand seagate or wd usb drives. plug and play
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> shirro, and put it in a black box.
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[12:28] <shirro> With a big sign saying it will electrocute you if you open it
[12:28] <drazyl> gordonDrogon - rsync back to a central store, directory per pi?
[12:29] <MaZ-> manage a pi cluster using puppet
[12:29] <MaZ-> with the puppet master on a pi!
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[12:29] <shirro> set it up to advertise the file share with avahi - use auto-ip. then the school it staff don't have to get involved
[12:30] * gordonDrogon hears all the dreams echoing down a pipe ...
[12:30] <shirro> totally apple style - bypass the conservative it admin roadblocks
[12:32] <Habbie> avahi++
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> well there's a lot to think about, however today I need to think about sending out lots of invoices and seeing who's not paid me for last months invoices...
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> at least 2 people are going to be landed with statutory late payment fees...
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> although I'm tempted to pull the plug on one of them. That usually makes the pay up quickly...
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> it's horrible running a business. why can' I just be a geek!!!
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[12:35] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I love being a geek, I hate any sort of responsibility
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, don't ever go self-employed then!
[12:38] <shirro> self-employed sucks. you have to have the right personality
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> yea, tell me about it.
[12:39] <shirro> working for a boss sucks as well though
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> however I really don't think I could go back to working for a company...
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> been self employed for 11 years now.
[12:40] <nid0> I work for a boss, but she mostly just leaves me to my geeky work \o/
[12:40] <shirro> nid0: yeah, my wife is like that as well
[12:40] <nid0> (I also do my geeky work from home)
[12:41] <shirro> I just realised the other boss (not my domestic one) is like that as well.
[12:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> For me, self employment would likely equal Starcraft marathons
[12:42] <shirro> Gadgetoid_mbp: Move to Korea and you can probably make a fair living
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[12:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> shirro: I think you have to be half decent at starcraft to achieve that :D
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[13:06] <oldman> How do I get acces to system directories and files, etc,fstab,opt,?
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[13:07] <GibbaTheHutt> oldman, in what sense ?
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[13:09] <oldman> I want make changes to various files. I can not get access to them. When I open a terminal i can sudo to get temporary root access but I can not get to the system files.
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[13:09] <GibbaTheHutt> what error do you get ?
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[13:10] <oldman> GibbaThe Hutt: no errors I do not how to becme root and get to the files.
[13:10] <nid0> you just add sudo to the front of whatever command you're using
[13:10] <GibbaTheHutt> is this via the console ?
[13:10] <nid0> or you unlock the root account and use root
[13:11] <GibbaTheHutt> yep, you can possibly do 'sudo su'
[13:11] <drazyl> try "sudo bash"
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[13:11] <oldman> GibbaTheHutt: The lx terminal. Should I be using the root terminal?
[13:12] <GibbaTheHutt> oldman, that should be fine
[13:12] <oldman> ok thanks
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[13:12] <GibbaTheHutt> oberling, just try as mentioned, sudo bash, or sudo su, or sudo command
[13:12] <GibbaTheHutt> erm sorry oberling :)
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[13:18] <netman87> http://dx.com/p/android-4-0-mini-pc-google-tv-player-w-wifi-allwinner-a10-cortex-a8-tf-hdmi-white-4gb-137012
[13:19] <netman87> what u guys thing? would be better than RPi for mpeg2 videos?
[13:19] <rm> that's $4 cheaper on aliexpress
[13:19] <netman87> ali? they shipping for free?
[13:20] <rm> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/563764893-Freeshipping-MK802-Mini-PC-Mini-Android4-0-dongle-android-IPTV-google-tv-smart-android-box-allwinner-wholesalers.html
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[13:20] <rm> yes, but only preorders there
[13:20] <rm> DX is slow at fullfilling orders, so I doubt it'll be much faster
[13:20] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Allwinner, haha
[13:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> What the hell is the Allwinner, it can't be an ARM design!?
[13:21] <netman87> hmm more ram and faster cpu
[13:21] <netman87> isnt it?
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[13:22] <SpeedEvil> lots
[13:22] <Veryevil> oh course it can be an arm design why can't it be?
[13:22] <haltdef> the arm core is
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> for 10 quid more
[13:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> veryevil: cos that would require licensing?
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> licencing is cheap
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> for the core
[13:22] <Veryevil> yeah soft IP
[13:22] <Veryevil> thats what Arm do
[13:22] <netman87> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/
[13:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Sounds like it's made of pure unadulterated dodgy, would be interesting to see some objective reviews/benchmarks
[13:23] <Veryevil> Just link there are Atmel / Samsung / Broadcom and many many orther chips that use Arm cores
[13:24] <Veryevil> just like*
[13:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yeah but they're hardly thrown together in clone-land :D
[13:25] <Veryevil> more than likely they all get deisned in chian and fab in china
[13:25] <Veryevil> china*
[13:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm just distrustful, it probably has built-in sentience and will cause technology to overthrow us from the inside
[13:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ALLWINNER! COMBINE!
[13:31] <chris_99> is the all winer vapour ware?
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[13:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> chris_99: It comes with a free low-level hardware botnet client, for greater good special army power strike!
[13:35] <chris_99> :)
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[13:38] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, what about CuBox
[13:40] <chris_99> that sounded interesting
[13:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The Pi seems to have won the race to market, though, everything else is straggling behind
[13:41] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Or struggling to be price competitive with existing devboards
[13:41] <chris_99> indeed
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[13:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> http://www.gp2x.de/shop/product_info.php/cPath/34/products_id/205 shiiiiinnnyyyy
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[13:50] <IT_Sean> Morning
[13:51] <chris_99> expensive Gadgetoid_mbp
[13:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> chris_99: lucky I pre-ordered 3 years ago when they were cheaper :D
[13:51] <chris_99> have you got one?
[13:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yup
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[13:52] <chris_99> it runs linux?
[13:52] <Gadgetoid_mbp> chris_99: Aye, a customised Angstrom
[13:52] <r00t|home> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console)
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[13:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Mine's a lowly 256mb version though, *cries*
[13:53] <chris_99> 'The Pandora is compatible with Debian packages built for the ARM architecture using APT. A Git repository offers the latest kernel source.[27]'
[13:53] <chris_99> nice
[13:54] <r00t|home> fuck expensive tho'
[13:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yeah I have a debian chroot on mine
[13:54] <IT_Sean> r00t|home: language, please.
[13:54] <r00t|home> omg
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[13:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> There are super rare 1Ghz Pandoras, too
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[13:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> $700, for the uber pain
[13:56] <IT_Sean> EEP!
[13:56] <IT_Sean> $700!
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[13:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Fantastic machine though, and basically unrivalled
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> So Pi No. 3 has just arrived. Suppose I'd better test it ...
[14:13] <IT_Sean> showoff
[14:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Lucky blighter!
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> seems to work.
[14:15] <IT_Sean> Just how many Pis did you order?
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> well...
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> I ordered via Farnell...
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> and registered interest via RS.
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> So when RS sent me the code, I just went ahead and ordered with it.
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> however I'd previously bought one off ebay...
[14:16] <IT_Sean> so, three?
[14:16] <IT_Sean> or do you have another half dozen on the way.
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> I ordered 2 and bought a third...
[14:16] <IT_Sean> i see.
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> no more on the way. that's it.
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> the RS & Farnell ones appear to be from the 2nd batch. The ebay one (RS) was from the first batch (going by the markings on the PCB)
[14:17] <Elspuddy-pi> question , dose openTTD work on the pi ?
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> Hm. this new Pi appears to work fine at 900MHz + 500MHz too...
[14:18] <SStrife> anything you can compile will work Elspuddy-pi :)
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[14:18] <gordonDrogon> Elspuddy-pi, now someone here was into openTTD I think... DDave?
[14:18] <SStrife> and most things will compile, as long as they dont contain any asm
[14:18] <SStrife> or links to libraries that contain asm
[14:18] <Diogo> anyone can tell me where i can buy a good case for raspberry..
[14:18] <SStrife> modmypi :)
[14:18] <Elspuddy-pi> just geting some error saying it cant find a wrapper
[14:19] <IT_Sean> Adafruit has one. Or modmypi, or ebay. or a million other places. :p
[14:20] <Elspuddy-pi> what are we talking here ? cases for the pi ?
[14:20] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[14:20] <IT_Sean> Diogo: asked where to get one.
[14:20] <Elspuddy-pi> k, i got mine from eaby, ?10 with ?2.50 postage
[14:21] <Elspuddy-pi> give me a mo i can grab the link if you want ?
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[14:22] <Elspuddy-pi> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251072149023?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[14:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: they work fine at 500mhz until OpenGL
[14:22] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Run hello triangle on it
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[14:23] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, I've never run an openGL app. in my life. How do I do that?
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[14:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Good question :D
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[14:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I forgot where hello triangle lives :D
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> cal I apt-get it ?
[14:24] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It comes with the debian image
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[14:25] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_triangle
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> does it need X to run first?
[14:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> make and then ./hello_triangle.bin - even from a command-line it should grab the screen and do its thang
[14:26] <teKuru> Of course now that I have my Pi the adafruit case and protoshield are sold out :D
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> compiled. run ./hello_triangle.bin and nothing happens.
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> I'm using the compost output - might it be hdmi only?
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[14:29] <gordonDrogon> Hm. can't kill it.
[14:29] * IT_Sean hands gordonDrogon a hammer
[14:30] <Elspuddy-pi> openttd returned with error code 127. the following error massages were produced: /usr/share/games/openttd/openttd-wrapper: 16: openttd not found
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> ssh in & reboot..
[14:30] <Elspuddy-pi> top and kill the prossess ?
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[14:30] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: nah, it's definitely not HDMI only
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[14:30] <Veryevil> take of your overclock and try again
[14:31] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Generally the 500mhz memory overclock causes it to vary between not doing anything much, and running for a few sec before freezing the system solid
[14:31] * gordonDrogon starts X
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> a-ha...
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> I get a 3D cube. is it supposed to move?
[14:33] <Veryevil> yep
[14:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yurp
[14:33] <Veryevil> its a spinning cube
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[14:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Thus the name hello triangle??? wait, what?
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> pi hasn't crashed - I can still ssh in.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> but it's not spinning.
[14:34] <Axman6> so I'm getting some strange issues with my pi (running debian). my SSH sessions randomly drop out, then I can't reconnect for about a minute. any idea what could be going on?
[14:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> looks like you're having slightly less fail than I encountered, I ultimately just dropped the memory overclock
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, rebooting now with no memory overclock.
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> Axman6, sure the wiring is OK?
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[14:35] <gordonDrogon> Axman6, or 2 devices with the same IP address?
[14:36] <Axman6> pretty sure, the cable is fine, it was working without a problem yesterday
[14:36] <Axman6> and no, only device with this IP
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[14:37] <Axman6> and it's just d9one it again
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> ok. take 2. now I get a spinning cube, but this time the faces are all black.
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[14:39] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. need to be in the directory.
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> So. Intersting. overclock ARM ok, but overclock SDRAM, not so ok.
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[14:40] <gordonDrogon> lets try that on another one..
[14:40] <PhonicUK> The pi does have a hardware FPU doesn't it?
[14:40] <PhonicUK> its just a lot of things aren't using it?
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> doesn't work on raspbian.
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> PhonicUK, the pi does have hardware fpu.
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> PhonicUK, but stuff need to be compiled to use ut.
[14:42] <PhonicUK> aye i know
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> PhonicUK, but there is another fly in the oinkment - the ABI to pass floating point parameters to stuff...
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> so even if you tell the pi to use hardfp, there is still some innefficiency in parameter passing.
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> enter Raspbian ..
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> wonder if there is something with xfce4 that makes it not work...
[14:43] <Elspuddy-pi> o.k geting stuff to complie, dose it need an arm sourse ?
[14:44] <PhonicUK> Elspuddy-pi, generally source code isn't arch specific
[14:44] <PhonicUK> except for things like emulators which tend to contain assembley
[14:44] <PhonicUK> and anything that depends on OpenGL won't work
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> not working on the console either.
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> hello_triangle.bin: triangle.c:167: init_ogl: Assertion `state->surface != ((EGLSurface)0)' failed.
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[14:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I didn't have issues with anything else when overclocking the SDRAM, just opengl going ape
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[14:47] <gordonDrogon> ah, aparently it needs more memory. I' running 244.
[14:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I should probably switch up to 244
[14:48] <shirro> yep. no opengl stuff will run with that split even if it is something really small and simple. it seems to have a lower limit
[14:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Damn crosstools-ng just doesn't want to install
[14:49] <freezer> how come
[14:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Looks like $opt is missing from my env
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> ooh it's working. 1280x1024 in colour. 500MHz SDram, 900MHz ARM. MAybe I have a goodun :)
[14:50] <Crenn-NAS> I forget, is there a way of doing SSH straight away with the SSH image?
[14:51] <Crenn-NAS> debian image^
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> sudo /boot/boot_enable_ssh.rc
[14:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Not sure what it should be set to, though, it's failing to build eglibc with "unexpected token $opt" in LIBC_TRY_CC_OPTION($opt, libc_cv_cc_nofma=$opt; break);
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, ^
[14:51] <shirro> I can't get over 450 sdram, 850 arm without getting crashy. And forget overclocking the gpu - artifacts everywhere
[14:51] <Elspuddy-pi> if i rembering this corectley its ./configure , then ./make , ./make install ?
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> not tried the gpu at all. but now I have something to test it with, I might try :)
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> then again... not sure I can be boterhed really...
[14:52] <shirro> gordonDrogon: don't bother
[14:52] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Say I can't access the Pi because of no screen >.>;
[14:53] <IT_Sean> ssh?
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[14:53] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, plug a keyboard in & type blind :)
[14:53] <Crenn-NAS> IT_Sean: How to enable it without the screen?
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> login pi/raspberry then sudo ...
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> hello_triangle.bin is using about 2% of the ARM cpu.. so everything must really be working in the GPU. I'm relatively impressed.
[14:54] <IT_Sean> it's on by default, as i recall
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[14:55] <Crenn-NAS> First need to flash the SD with the image of debian
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[14:55] <[SLB]> [ Thanks PiBot for the +v ]
[14:55] <Crenn-NAS> IT_Sean: As I recall, it was disabled for security reasons
[14:55] <IT_Sean> was it, bugger.
[14:55] <IT_Sean> well, you can type blind to reenable it
[14:55] <Axman6> I just realised that it's not all ssh sessions which are dying either. the ones where I don't use tmux seem to stay alive fine
[14:55] <Crenn-NAS> Not a fun task ;P
[14:56] <Axman6> it feels like sshd is dying or something, since port 22 becomes closed and I get connection refused
[14:57] <Axman6> so far, running top in one of the non tmux sessions appears to be stopping the pipe from getting broken
[14:57] <shirro> gordonDrogon: dispmanx gives you scaling and overlays basically for free. And doing things in glsl is amazing value. My Pi currently boots up to a julia set running at a reasonable frame rate full screen transparently overlayed on my X desktop. 0% cpu
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> shirro, it's a new world to me.
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[14:57] <shirro> me too. I am totally in awe of it.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> despite working for a company who produced one of the early GPUs - well 128 cores inna single chip...
[14:58] <shirro> I don't even understand half the lingo. Lots of catching up to do. I think it will be the main value of the Pi for me
[14:58] <Crenn-NAS> I wonder what is slower... my RPi or my netbook....
[14:58] <shirro> Rpi - no question.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> what's the cpu in the netbook?
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> although I suspect, it's Atom like most...
[14:58] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Atom 1.6GHz single core
[14:58] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hmm, syntax error in the configure script, trololo
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> yea, same as my AAO.
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> The AAO is faster. much.
[14:59] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: I started booting it up about 15 minutes ago
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[14:59] <shirro> Much slower. much, much, much. The GPU is probably quite a lot better though
[14:59] <Crenn-NAS> I'm still waiting
[14:59] <shirro> Windows?
[14:59] <Crenn-NAS> Yep
[15:00] <Crenn-NAS> I like the full Office 2007 ;P
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[15:01] <shirro> Sounds like something the typing pool would use. I don't have any use for word processors. Spreadsheets are kind of cool, but then so is Octave and numpy
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[15:02] <Crenn-NAS> The typing pool?
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> see (e.g.) http://about.me/alanodonohoe
[15:03] <shirro> Something granpa told me about. I don't type much outside of vim
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> Hm. looks like he's update that. He was far more scathing in the past...
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[15:04] <shirro> gordonDrogon: sounds like someone I would like
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[15:04] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: Most of my university assignments are made with Windows Word
[15:05] <Elspuddy-pi> hmm configure: error: cannot find setupterm or tgetent
[15:05] <shirro> Crenn-NAS: It's a tool. I guess it has a place. It seems mainly designed for putting stuff on paper though and that isn't really my thing.
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> shirro, I met him at a hack/meet thing a few weeks ago. He's pretty intense and really wanting to get back to teaching computing to kids again.
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[15:07] <gordonDrogon> think I'll go & have an early lunch. laters.
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> (well, it's 2pm, but it's early for me, relatively speaking)
[15:08] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: Yep, and there are other tools which will do the same stuff. The 'ribbon' interface is quite nice when you get used to it (hated it at first). I only use word because of the built in referencing system
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[15:08] <shirro> I can understand that. Academic use has particular needs and there are only so many good tools around.
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[15:10] <Crenn-NAS> Yeah
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[15:10] <dwatkins> hooray, my Pi will arrive in the next few days :D
[15:11] <Crenn-NAS> dwatkins: Congrats :D
[15:11] <dwatkins> perhaps Farnell found out I'd applied to RS for one...
[15:11] <dwatkins> cheers Crenn-NAS
[15:11] <Crenn-NAS> It feels awesome to see it in reality
[15:11] <djazz> got my Raspi today! but I can't seem to put the debian image on the SD card. I used the "dd" command to write the image
[15:11] <Elspuddy-pi> woohoo dwatkins :)
[15:11] <Crenn-NAS> djazz: I'm currently working on that problem >.>
[15:11] <djazz> it ends up as "unknown partition" or smth in gparted
[15:11] <dwatkins> djazz: do you see files and directories if you open up a window on the SDcard after dd'ing the image?
[15:11] <dwatkins> oh, not good
[15:11] <djazz> no, cant mount it
[15:11] <djazz> xD
[15:11] <dwatkins> djazz: which device are you writing to?
[15:12] <Crenn-NAS> djazz: Is the image valid?
[15:12] <djazz> Crenn-NAS: let me check
[15:14] <djazz> dwatkins: device? /dev/sdb1
[15:14] <djazz> Crenn-NAS: same sha1 checksum
[15:15] <Crenn-NAS> Bugger
[15:15] <shirro> sdb1 is a partition. aren't the images normally of a complete disk with a dos and ext partition?
[15:15] <GibbaTheHutt> yep
[15:15] <djazz> the card is quite old, but I have been using it just fine for storage up until to today
[15:15] <djazz> 8Gb from SanDisk
[15:15] <dwatkins> yeah, I was just checking that - use sdb, Crenn-NAS as discussed here: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Copying_an_image_to_the_SD_Card_in_Linux_.28command_line.29
[15:16] <dwatkins> you can grow the partition to fill the SD Card if it's much larger than the image, but that's another story...
[15:16] * Crenn-NAS bought a brand new SD card
[15:16] <GibbaTheHutt> it comes up with a subtle difference, but dd to /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 probably
[15:16] <djazz> ah
[15:17] <Crenn-NAS> dwatkins: I'm a windows person (except for the NAS I'm on) but I'm already on that page
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[15:17] * PiBot sets mode +v reallyrose
[15:17] * djazz tries again
[15:18] <dwatkins> Crenn-NAS: sorry, should have directed djazz to that link, not you, apologies
[15:18] <Crenn-NAS> Not a problem ^-^
[15:18] <djazz> :)
[15:18] <ferik> so my RPI is booting (debian), ethernet connected but I cannot get networking working. ifconfig gives me a large number of RX packets errors. syslog gives me a (possibly) unrelated DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: th NYET/NAK/ACK and a similar one with XactErr. Any idea?
[15:18] <PhonicUK> ferik, does it show you as having an IP address?
[15:19] <djazz> when plugging Raspi in without SD card nothing should happen right? nothing on HDMI/TV and no power to USB devices?
[15:19] <PhonicUK> djazz, correct
[15:19] <djazz> only red Power light
[15:19] <djazz> kk
[15:19] <ferik> PhonicUK: still doesn't, no. Trying with a static one gives me the same error. Yesterday, I thought it might the airport router but I am at work now and the same thing happens
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[15:20] <ferik> PhonicUK: link light flashes green. 10M is yellow, FDX is solid green.
[15:21] <dmsuse> ferik: sudo dhclient eth0
[15:22] <ferik> dmsuse: typed that, nothing happens thus far
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[15:22] <dmsuse> wutcha plugging it into ?
[15:23] <ferik> dmsuse: ethernet hub at my feet. Same one my work laptop is connected to.
[15:23] <Crenn-NAS> ferik: Are you sure the MAC address is whitelisted in the router?
[15:24] <ferik> Crenn-NAS: it doesn't need to be here. At home (it doesn't need to be either) it doesn't work either (Airport Extreme router)
[15:24] <djazz> dwatkins, Crenn-NAS: yay, now i can resize partition
[15:24] <drazyl> ferik wired ethernet or wifi?
[15:24] <ferik> dmsuse: came back and still no IP
[15:24] <Crenn-NAS> drazyl: I believe ethernet
[15:24] <ferik> drazyl: wired ethernet
[15:24] <dwatkins> ferik: are you using the same network cable? Just wondering if you can rule anything out, or pinpoint the location of the problem
[15:24] <drazyl> tried a different cable?
[15:24] <ferik> drazy1: link light flashes green. 10M is yellow, FDX is solid green.
[15:25] <dwatkins> djazz: there was a video tutorial on the subreddit, let me see if I can find it
[15:25] <ferik> drazyl: tried 5 cables
[15:25] <ferik> dwatkins: tried a few != cables
[15:25] <drazyl> psu supplying plenty of power?
[15:25] <ferik> drazyl: 1A AFAIK
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[15:26] <ferik> maybe even 2.1A, let me check
[15:26] <ferik> yes, 2.1A
[15:27] <dwatkins> djazz: as with anything like this, make backups, proceed with caution etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4VovMDnsIE
[15:27] <Crenn-NAS> Writing the RPi image now!
[15:27] <ferik> syslog gives me a (possibly) unrelated DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: th NYET/NAK/ACK and a similar one with XactErr.
[15:27] <ferik> many many of them
[15:27] <drazyl> do you have anything else connected to the usb?
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[15:28] <dmsuse> ferik: you may have a defective board
[15:28] <ferik> drazyl: keyboard
[15:29] <dmsuse> ferik: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5529
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[15:30] <drazyl> what does "ifconfig eth0" report
[15:32] <ferik> drazyl: nothing much, no IP, lots of errors on RX
[15:33] <djazz> dwatkins: its already up and running on my TV :)
[15:33] <djazz> where are sound settings?
[15:36] <drazyl> ferik - if you boot up without the cable in does the rx error count stay at 0 or does it increase?
[15:36] <dwatkins> djazz: glad it's working well, I don't have mine yet, so couldn't hope to tell you where the sound settings are, sorry.
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[15:38] <ferik> drazyl: no, RX error = 0
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[15:39] <ferik> ferik: drazyl and those errors do not appear in syslog with no eth cable
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[15:41] <drazyl> have you got a hub or switch you can plug the pi into without anything else connected?
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[15:43] <ferik> drazyl: I did, yesterday
[15:43] <djazz> how can i change keyboard layout on the RPi?
[15:44] <drazyl> same result?
[15:44] <ferik> drazyl: yes
[15:44] <drazyl> does sound like you've got a bad'un
[15:44] <ferik> drazyl: seems a few boards are problematic
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[15:49] <Davespice> guys, just seen this on engadget... looks like it could be fun; http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/31/sparkfun-launches-protosnap-minibot-for-the-budding-roboticist/
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> so what next.
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I've nevertrid a Pi on a TV.
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> brb
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[16:01] <Crenn-NAS> Oh bugger....
[16:01] <IT_Sean> ?
[16:01] <[SLB]> [ Thanks PiBot for the +v ]
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[16:02] <IT_Sean> problem, Crenn-NAS?
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[16:04] <djazz> how to get audio working on the RPi?
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> plug in a pair of amplified speakers?
[16:05] <dmsuse> djazz: sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
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[16:06] <cromag> djazz: what OS are you using ?
[16:06] <djazz> dmsuse: ty
[16:06] <djazz> cromag: debian squeeze
[16:06] <cromag> thanks :)
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[16:06] <djazz> is there an applet to increase/decrease sound level?
[16:06] <Crenn-NAS> IT_Sean: "mmc0: timeout waiting for hardware interrupt"
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[16:08] <IT_Sean> that doesn't sound good.
[16:08] <Crenn-NAS> IT'S ALIVE!
[16:09] <dmsuse> djazz: alsamixer?
[16:10] <djazz> dmsuse: yeah, that would work..
[16:10] <djazz> can I map my media keys so i can change volume from keyboard
[16:10] <djazz> or event Ctrl+Alt+T
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[16:10] <dmsuse> don't see why not
[16:10] <Crenn-NAS> IT_Sean: You know how some SD cards were buggy with the Pi?
[16:11] <dmsuse> you will find though the player you use no doubt has key mappings for that stuff, including volume
[16:11] <Crenn-NAS> The one I bought, seems to be one of them
[16:12] <IT_Sean> class 10?
[16:12] <Crenn-NAS> Class 6 actually
[16:12] <chnopsx> my sandisk class 2 is a bit flaky
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[16:12] <IT_Sean> huh.
[16:12] <Crenn-NAS> I bought it because it was Class 6
[16:13] <IT_Sean> What brand?
[16:13] <chnopsx> have to run fsck all the time due to errors :s
[16:13] <Crenn-NAS> Sandisk!
[16:13] <IT_Sean> Weeihd
[16:13] <nid0> my sandisk class 6's both work flawlessly
[16:13] <ferik> my Sandisk Extreme III didn't work
[16:13] <IT_Sean> you might have just gotten a bad one
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[16:14] <Crenn-NAS> IT_Sean: It's working now ;D
[16:14] <ferik> no, it's on the list of those that do not work
[16:14] <curahack> WTF Someone removed my thread on the forums, I was asking to add breadcrumbs to the forum :(
[16:14] <Crenn-NAS> IT_Sean: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6093
[16:14] <dmsuse> breadcrumbs?
[16:14] <djazz> dmsuse: found sound level applet, but it dont work properly
[16:14] <Crenn-NAS> Updated 2 files on the SD card, and it all worked fine
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[16:15] <curahack> yeah, you know, when you can see what forum your in etc.
[16:15] <Crenn-NAS> Loads very quick I think
[16:15] <IT_Sean> huh
[16:15] <dmsuse> djazz: shame
[16:15] <curahack> what section/category your browsing
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[16:16] <djazz> dmsuse: it gets super loud
[16:16] <curahack> I see theres a thread about this already: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=6184
[16:16] <curahack> heh
[16:16] <dmsuse> djazz: thought it didn't work?
[16:16] <djazz> yea
[16:16] <curahack> ah, my thread got merged
[16:16] <djazz> will try alsamixer, when i get ethernet
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[16:22] <gordonDrogon> well that was fun - Pi on TV seemed to work just fine althoug the text was only just readable..
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> It's a monster of an Old Sony flatscreen tube technology :)
[16:24] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: you can change the font size
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, I know - ./rtb -l gives me a large font in RTB :)
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> surprised the broadcom person who does the SD card software is in Taiwan - thought they were all cambridge based...
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[16:28] <dmsuse> nothing is made in the uk lol
[16:28] <dmsuse> uk ppl are too lazy :P
[16:29] <Davespice> dmsuse: pardon?
[16:30] <dmsuse> Davespice: did i stutter ?
[16:30] <dmsuse> :p
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[16:31] <Davespice> dmsuse: so nothing is made in the UK? how about some great inventions in history? like perhaps... THE COMPUTER?
[16:31] <dmsuse> i said is made
[16:31] <dmsuse> not was made
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[16:32] <Davespice> whatever, I just resent the comment about uk people being lazy, they are not, they work very hard
[16:32] <arfonzo> Ah, semantics: the maker of friends.
[16:33] <dmsuse> Davespice: what is made in the uk then ?
[16:34] <Davespice> http://noblecars.com/
[16:34] <Davespice> http://www.jaguar.com/gb/en/
[16:35] <shirro> The Uk has capital and IP. They can make stuff anywhere.
[16:35] <drazyl> whisky
[16:35] <dmsuse> noble makes like 5 cars per year
[16:35] <Davespice> http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/lr/defender/
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[16:35] <dmsuse> and jaguar isnt a uk company :P
[16:36] <GabrialDestruir_> What's this? Looking for great stuff produced in only the UK?
[16:37] <GabrialDestruir_> Does anything of the such actually exist? >.>
[16:37] <dmsuse> nope
[16:37] <dmsuse> but dave thinks it does :P
[16:37] <dmsuse> i must add though
[16:37] <shirro> Banking
[16:37] <Matt> like most of the western world these days
[16:37] <dmsuse> any production plant in the uk will mainly have european workers
[16:37] <dmsuse> polish etc :P
[16:37] <GabrialDestruir_> Was a german thing..... or a greek think or something...
[16:37] <GabrialDestruir_> thing*
[16:37] <drazyl> dmsuse: ellesmere port
[16:38] <Davespice> dmsuse: just wait till we get a King again, then we're going to go out and take back the Empire - and we'll start with whatever backward little country you come from :P
[16:38] <arfonzo> Does Scottish count?
[16:38] <drazyl> yes, it's still part of the UK
[16:38] <dmsuse> Davespice: im in the uk ;)
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[16:38] <arfonzo> Hob Nobs!
[16:39] <GabrialDestruir_> The UK doesn't count as something made in Britain.... so no Scottish doesn't count.
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[16:39] <Davespice> arfonzo: yeah McVities... very good point
[16:39] <drazyl> what?
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[16:39] <drazyl> Britain = UK - Northern Ireland
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[16:39] <drazyl> so includes Scotland
[16:40] <dmsuse> every country creates food stufs, thoes don't count :P
[16:40] <shirro> Wales makes Doctor Who. So between Wales and Scotland the UK does some good stuff.
[16:40] <dmsuse> *stuffs, those*
[16:41] <arfonzo> erm, ok. This isn't going far.
[16:41] <drazyl> yeah, but we have some of the best food stuffs
[16:41] <drazyl> Aberdeen Angus beef
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> Clotted cream is made in the UK. And the best comes from a farm about 1.5 miles from me :)
[16:41] <Davespice> we also made Game of Thrones... that's got to be worth something, I know it was funded by HBO (who are American) but all the actors are British and the locations are in the UK and Northern Ireland :)
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[16:41] <drazyl> Rolls Royce aero engines
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[16:42] <dmsuse> yeah rolls is pretty much the only thing :P
[16:42] <drazyl> hey, its more than nothing
[16:42] <dmsuse> no doubt 90% of their workforce is european though
[16:43] <drazyl> so, can we count apple products as Jonny Ives is British?
[16:43] <drazyl> or does it only work to exclude stuff
[16:43] <dmsuse> nah :P
[16:43] <dmsuse> isnt he just a salesman?
[16:43] <drazyl> make up your mind
[16:43] <shirro> Premier League is exported all over the world.
[16:43] <drazyl> either european workers over here count, or british workers abroad do
[16:44] <drazyl> no, he is responsible for apple's look
[16:44] <Davespice> shirro: true, but its becoming and increasing trend for billionares to own a british football club, so that too we can't really take all the credit for
[16:44] <GabrialDestruir_> I thought the idea was something purely british.... you can't claim "American companies with British employees" as purely british....
[16:44] <drazyl> jobs was a salesman, ives is a designer
[16:44] <drazyl> is anything "purely <countryx>" anymore
[16:44] <shirro> Nothing is purely national these days outside of North Korea. England isn't alone in that.
[16:45] <GabrialDestruir_> Some countries would lead you to believe so yes :p
[16:45] <teKuru> http://i.imgur.com/IlNoG.jpg
[16:45] <teKuru> ^^ football team
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[16:45] <Davespice> okay I've got one... West Cornwall pasty company?
[16:45] <megaproxy> football is bring
[16:45] <GabrialDestruir_> Wait.... where's the english players? >.>
[16:45] <arfonzo> Pasty++.
[16:45] <Davespice> although they employ plenty of european workers in their factories
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[16:46] <dmsuse> ^^ :P
[16:46] <Davespice> still made in Britain though <shrug>
[16:47] <arfonzo> dmsuse: as a foreigner, I don't see how to rationalize "europeans don't count in the UK" attitude. Why not?
[16:47] <freezer> do you guys also experience lags with usb keyboards?
[16:47] <freezer> like key not being pressed
[16:47] <dmsuse> well if the people making the pruduct are not british, technically its not british made :P
[16:47] <freezer> or if pressed shortly, it behaves like its being held down
[16:48] <shirro> freezer: yes, badly sometime. and key repeats when key up is lost
[16:48] <freezer> yes
[16:48] <freezer> what's this related to?
[16:48] <Davespice> freezer: check how much current it wants on the back of the keyboard, if it wants more than 100mA change it for a different one
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[16:48] <shirro> nothing fixes it for me. 3 keyboards, 2 quality power supplies, powered hub. Is expremely random
[16:48] <Davespice> freezer: I had the same behaviour with a keyboard that had extra utility buttons but wanted to use 150mA
[16:48] <dmsuse> i used a wireless keyboard, mine was fine
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[16:50] <shirro> Some people seem to be able to fix it. But I can't so I wonder if it isn't a hardware issue.I am hoping my second Pi doesn't do it
[16:51] <GabrialDestruir_> Anyone know of a place where I can get a custom USB that's split data into one cord and power into another? I'm looking into alternatives to splicing together my own cord if I get a laptop dock.
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[16:51] <freezer> it's only 50mA
[16:51] <shirro> I am very tempted to bridge those poly fuses just to remove a variable.
[16:51] <freezer> maybe my 850mA motorola AC is too weak
[16:51] <Crenn-NAS> Mildly disappointed with the speed of the SD card
[16:51] <Crenn-NAS> Oh well xD
[16:51] <Crenn-NAS> /dev/mmcblk0: Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 3.14 seconds = 4.45 MB/sec
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[16:51] <nid0> run a nas root from elsewhere, youll get better speeds
[16:52] <nid0> or iscsi, if you can get it to work
[16:52] <GabrialDestruir_> 850 is fine, but you have to keep in mind, the ports only put out like 100 each or something
[16:53] <drazyl> AoE
[16:53] <Davespice> freezer: can you try it without any other usb devices and see if you still get that behaviour?
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[16:56] <freezer> Davespice, actually the only USB device is the DELL USB hub
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[16:56] <freezer> and that should be powered
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[16:56] <Davespice> oh okay, can you try it with just the usb keyboard directly into the Pi?
[16:57] <Davespice> process of elimination etc
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[16:58] <shirro> Davespice: I wish it was that easy. The packet loss seems to be random and occurs with a wide range of hardware for me
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[16:59] <Davespice> yeah I've been reading about this on the forums, apparently gets worse when you load X
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[17:25] <zgreg> FYI, iperf shows between 81 (when the pi is sending the data) and 94 (when a powerful PC is sending data) bandwidth
[17:26] <zgreg> I think this means the ethernet chip can do checksum checking, but it cannot actually generate checksums itself
[17:26] <zgreg> and checksum generation for TCP traffic is limiting performance whenever the pi sends out data
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[17:29] <PhonicUK> wow
[17:29] <PhonicUK> qemu is still compiling
[17:30] <zgreg> err, forgot the unit, of course the numbers are meant to be mbps
[17:31] <zgreg> moreover, fetching a (cached) file over scp shows about 3 MB/s performance with default settings, and with blowfish encryption it's a bit faster with 3.4 MB/s
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, I did some iperf checks a while back on the Pi too...
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, it's slightly sub optimal...
[17:33] <zgreg> I did that just because I remember someone posted numbers that looked suspiciously bad
[17:33] <zgreg> something like only 30 mbps
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> Hm. yes, suspiciously bad...
[17:34] <zgreg> suspicious as in, there was probably something broken about that setup
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> Indeed.
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[17:35] <zgreg> maybe ARMv6 SIMD can be utilized to speed up checkum calculations? :p
[17:35] <zgreg> that's the most basic bottleneck
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> or the GPU :)
[17:37] <zgreg> no
[17:37] * PhonicUK has an ultra fast USB memory stick on the way
[17:37] <zgreg> the GPU is not suitable for that
[17:37] <PhonicUK> >80MB/sec write speed :D
[17:37] <zgreg> not with opengl es as the only interface to it, at least
[17:37] <PhonicUK> constrained to about 50 of course by the limitations of USB2
[17:38] <PhonicUK> i wonder if we can use OpenCL on the Pi?
[17:38] <PhonicUK> nope
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[17:41] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, have you tried doing a bi-directional test? It's somewhat more sub-optimal, but I suspect that's the issue with the USB ...
[17:41] <ssvb> zgreg: is your openssl compiled with assembly optimizations?
[17:42] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: what exactly do you mean with that?
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, pass the -d flag to iperf.. usb is half duplex IIRC... ?
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> wheras Ethernet is full duplex, so USB struggles with data going in both directions...
[17:43] <zgreg> ssvb: I'm not quite sure (this is raspbian), but aes-128 or blowfish achieve 9 MB/s and 14 MB/s respectively
[17:43] <zgreg> ssvb: measured with "openssl speed"
[17:44] <zgreg> that's pretty good for an old ARM11
[17:44] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: yeah, USB is half-duplex
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> [ 5] Sent 81510 datagrams
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> [ 3] 0.0-10.0 sec 21.3 MBytes 17.9 Mbits/sec 0.079 ms 0/15204 (0%)
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> [ 3] 0.0-10.0 sec 1 datagrams received out-of-order
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> [ 5] Server Report:
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> [ 5] 0.0-10.0 sec 80.3 MBytes 67.3 Mbits/sec 0.172 ms 24194/81509 (30%)
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> [ 5] 0.0-10.0 sec 1 datagrams received out-of-order
[17:45] <zgreg> [ 5] 0.0-10.0 sec 98.5 MBytes 82.6 Mbits/sec
[17:45] <zgreg> [ 4] 0.0-10.0 sec 45.2 MBytes 37.8 Mbits/sec
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[17:45] * BenO <3's GPIO right now - got the birdfeeder monitor running :)
[17:45] <ssvb> zgreg: that's the AES code - http://repo.or.cz/w/mirror-openssl.git/blob/refs/tags/OpenSSL_1_0_1c:/crypto/aes/asm/aes-armv4.pl
[17:46] <zgreg> there's no armv5/v6 specific optimization?
[17:47] <ssvb> zgreg: 700000000 / 42 cycles = ~16.6 MB/s (assuming that ARM11 pipleine is similar to Xscale)
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[17:48] <zgreg> ssvb: that's great, but how can I find out whether it's used? there's nothing obvious in the openssl build configuration
[17:48] <zgreg> compiler: gcc -fPIC -DOPENSSL_PIC -DZLIB -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DL_ENDIAN -DTERMIO -g -O2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Wformat-security -Werror=format-security -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wl,-z,relro -Wa,--noexecstack -Wall
[17:51] <zgreg> anyway, encryption is fast enough. communication with the ethernet chip is the real bottleneck
[17:51] <zgreg> it's pretty sad, but probably cannot be changed
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[17:55] <ssvb> zgreg: in gentoo on ARM11 330MHz I'm getting "aes-128 cbc 5964.48k 6938.11k 7222.01k 7272.10k 7321.09k" for "openssl speed aes"
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[17:56] <zgreg> well, that means this openssl build is not using asm
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[17:56] <ssvb> zgreg: compiler: armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-gcc -fPIC -DOPENSSL_PIC -DZLIB -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DL_ENDIAN -DTERMIO -Wall -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DAES_ASM -O2 -pipe -march=armv6j -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard -fno-strict-aliasing -Wa,--noexecstack
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[17:58] <zgreg> that's odd, I thought raspbian is all about optimizing properly for ARMv6+VFP
[17:58] <zgreg> why aren't they using the right flags to do so?
[17:59] <shirro> zgreg: raspbian is all about getting debian wheezy armhf ported as quickly as possible
[17:59] <shirro> I will rebuild openssl with those flags and submit a patch
[17:59] <shirro> Not sure if they will take it though
[18:00] <zgreg> why wouldn't they?
[18:01] <zgreg> the hardfloat transition is done to improve performance. why do it in such a half-assed way?
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[18:02] <ssvb> zgreg: I think it is -DAES_ASM that makes the difference, tweaking CFLAGS is irrelevant for the assembly optimized code
[18:02] <shirro> zgreg: they have 10s of thousands of packages to compile. Just getting things like Chromium to build isn't trivial. Openssl at least works. I will submit it and see.
[18:02] <shirro> ssvb: yes -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DAES_ASM look worthwhile
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[18:03] <zgreg> I just did some further testing with iperf. the smsc95xx actually does both rx and tx checksumming. but hardware checksumming doesn't make much of a difference (few mbps slower for both rx/tx). so the bottleneck is somewhere else. I assume it's USB...
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[18:03] <DaQatz> To bad it's only using ARMv4 asm
[18:03] <zgreg> DaQatz: well, maybe the later additions aren't that useful for AES
[18:03] <DaQatz> Havn't really checked on that
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[18:07] <zgreg> ssvb: of course, I guess CFLAGS for ARMv6 vs. ARMv4 make a few percent difference only, usually
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[18:10] <PhonicUK> any of you guys own Anno 2070?
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[18:11] <zgreg> I redid the scp test, and copied a big file from a USB thumbdrive over network to my PC
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[18:11] <zgreg> the shared USB doesn't affect the speed - great
[18:12] <zgreg> well, I'm slightly slower, but not really. 3.3 MB/s instead of 3.4 MB/s
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[18:15] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, be intersting to compare with e.g. FTP ..?
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[18:16] <zgreg> I'm doing a test with netcat right now. e.g. "nc -l -p 1234 <bigfile" on the pi and "nc 192.168.x.x 1234 | dd of=bigfile" on the other side
[18:17] <zgreg> that should be pretty similar to FTP
[18:17] <zgreg> 329866637 bytes (330 MB) copied, 70.3601 s, 4.7 MB/s
[18:18] <ssvb> zgreg: 1 / (1 / 4.7 + 1 / 9) = ~3.1 MB/s
[18:18] <zgreg> let's see, I'll retry with a bigger block size
[18:19] <ssvb> zgreg: and 1 / (1 / 4.7 + 1 / 14) = ~3.5 MB/s
[18:19] <ssvb> zgreg: does it look familiar?
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[18:19] <zgreg> yeah, dd's standard block size was too small, with a bigger block I'm getting 6.0 MB/s
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[18:20] <zgreg> and don't worry, I dropped caches before the test :)
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[18:23] <zgreg> ssvb: actually, I'm not sure what you want to tell me
[18:24] <ssvb> zgreg: looks like the transfers are also keeping the CPU busy, so the CPU can't do encryption in parallel
[18:25] <zgreg> yeah, but the math doesn't really add up
[18:25] <zgreg> I reliably get 6.0 MB/s
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[18:27] <ssvb> zgreg: the calculations above are estimating how much scp speed you are going to get if the transfer runs at 4.7 MB/s and the encryption runs at 9 MB/s
[18:27] <ssvb> zgreg: when both encryption and transfer stages are performed separately one after another for each data chunk
[18:28] <zgreg> yes, I get the idea
[18:28] <ssvb> zgreg: are you sure scp is using bigger block sizes?
[18:28] <zgreg> but that's rather a rather theoretic and inaccurate calculation
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[18:28] <zgreg> s/rather//1
[18:28] <Foxhoundz> My Pi has finally shipped!
[18:29] <ssvb> zgreg: it looks surprisingly precise to me based on the numbers you have provided
[18:29] <zgreg> ssvb: it turned out to be not the block size, at first I only got 4.7 MB/s because I was writing the file to a slow HDD on my PC
[18:29] <zgreg> when I write to /dev/null, I reliably get 6.0 MB/s
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[18:30] <ssvb> zgreg: do you also scp to /dev/null ?
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[18:31] <zgreg> yeah
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[18:32] <ssvb> well, the point is that the transfers need to be improved (to use DMA?), building optimized openssl still makes sense
[18:33] <zgreg> well, I'm not sure if they can be improved
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[18:33] <zgreg> smsc95xx is a cheap device, maybe it's simply somewhat inefficient
[18:34] * Matt listens to some Ralph McTell
[18:34] <zgreg> a quick look at the code shows that there's "turbo mode" for receiving packets available (and enabled by default). that mode allows the device to send multiple ethernet frames in a single USB packet
[18:35] <zgreg> *but* it looks like the "turbo mode" is *not* available for tx
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[18:35] <Matt> or you could transfer files using something than scp :)
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[18:36] <zgreg> let me try to disable the turbo mode
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[18:39] <zgreg> aaaand with turbo mode disabled I get the *same* performance characteristics no matter what way packets are sent
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[18:40] <beardface> shameless plug for the case i just made: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180896692038#ht_500wt_1229
[18:40] <beardface> I'm going to try printing a few in other colors
[18:40] <zgreg> maybe the smsc95xx does support turbo mode for tx and it's simply not implemented=
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[18:44] <Kewlj1313> that is a cool case beardface|away
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[19:20] <Evie> Hello
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[19:21] <DaQatz> Lo
[19:21] <IT_Sean> greetings, green one.
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[19:23] <Evie> So, I'm trying to wrap my head around how the sound stack works on Raspberry Pi on OpenELEC/Raspbmc. It looks like everything is pretty much centered openmax, and the ALSA driver is still alpha at this point.
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[19:25] <Evie> And the /names
[19:25] <Evie> whoops
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[19:26] <DavidSimon6> hi guys
[19:26] <jinzo> Evie, yes playing goes thru openmax/omxplayer
[19:26] <DavidSimon6> i just recieved my raspberry pi
[19:26] <Evie> Is there any form of mixer? (ala alsamixer?) or is it pretty much single socket?
[19:26] <jinzo> Congrats
[19:26] <DavidSimon6> a friend said to go here
[19:26] <Evie> congrats David
[19:27] <DavidSimon6> downloading images
[19:27] <DavidSimon6> are there torrents?
[19:27] <Evie> Did you get a suitable SD card, David?
[19:27] <jinzo> yeah, on the main page.
[19:27] <DavidSimon6> I couldn't see a raspbian torrent
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[19:28] <jinzo> The officiall ones have .torrents, not all of them
[19:28] <jinzo> they aren't that big anyway.
[19:28] <jinzo> mostly around 200MB
[19:28] <DavidSimon6> I'm just a bit paranoid
[19:29] <Evie> http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages ?
[19:30] <Evie> The Pisces version doesn't seem to have a torrent at this time.
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[19:32] <DavidSimon6> thanks
[19:33] <DavidSimon6> oh by the way
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[19:33] <DavidSimon6> it's at least half the size I imagined
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[19:35] <zaivaldi> /join #raspbian
[19:35] <zaivaldi> sry
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[19:36] <DavidSimon6> zaivaldi: lol
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[19:57] <ekselkiu> Grr, RS sends E-mail with only an HTML part.
[19:58] <DavidSimon6> so?
[19:58] <ironzorg> mutt strips html
[19:58] <ekselkiu> So? It's very frustrating.
[19:59] <DavidSimon6> Why?
[19:59] <ekselkiu> What's wrong with text? It's well supported, and there have never been problems with tracking pixels, javascript, and so on in text E-mails.
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[20:00] <ekselkiu> Not to mention most HTML E-mails I come across have been edited in some sort of graphical editor and the mark-up is so contorted that no browser can actually display anything useful of it.
[20:00] <ironzorg> morality: use mutt
[20:00] <ironzorg> case closed
[20:00] <ekselkiu> ironzorg: I do use mutt.
[20:00] <ekselkiu> It doesn't "strip HTML", it just displays the text/plain part.
[20:00] <ekselkiu> If the E-mail doesn't have a text/plain part, it doesn't display anything.
[20:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyone know the current draw difference between idle and cpu at 100%?
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[20:03] <nemo> Ricksl: so, on the subject of Hedgewars.
[20:04] <Ricksl> you figure out how to get it free of x?
[20:04] <nemo> Ricksl: SDL appears incapable of creating a GL context outside of X, so I'm gonna have to add new cdecl bindings in the pascal to match the demos in /opt
[20:04] <nemo> Ricksl: shouldn't be *horribly* difficult
[20:04] <Ricksl> see everything you just said, it went right over my head
[20:04] <nemo> koda is pinging the SDL list about them implementing it on their side
[20:04] <nemo> but I'd rather not wait
[20:05] <nemo> Ricksl: there's a lib and demos on the pi, is in C++, our engine is pascal, so, will need a little adapting
[20:05] <DavidSimon6> ShiftPlusOne: buy a multimeter
[20:05] <nemo> Ricksl: oh, and will be fullscreen w/ no resizing.
[20:05] <Ricksl> ah much better
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[20:05] <zgreg> why do you want to use SDL to get an SDL context, anyway?
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[20:05] <nemo> zgreg: GL context
[20:06] <zgreg> just use EGL directly
[20:06] <nemo> zgreg: ...
[20:06] <zgreg> err, yes of course :)
[20:06] <nemo> zgreg: that's what I just said dude
[20:06] <nemo> zgreg: twice
[20:06] <ShiftPlusOne> DavidSimon6, YOU buy a multimeter >=/
[20:06] <ekselkiu> I've got a multimeter!
[20:06] <nemo> zgreg: I was just noting that's not what the existing game code *does* so a bit of work is necessary
[20:06] <ekselkiu> Haven't got a pi though. Bother.
[20:06] <ShiftPlusOne> So do I, I just don't want to cut any wires.
[20:06] <nemo> zgreg: and a bit more than normal due to use of fpc
[20:06] <ShiftPlusOne> so I was asking if anyone knows
[20:07] <nemo> zgreg: shouldn't be a big deal. can hopefully get it done this weekend
[20:07] <zgreg> nemo: well, I was just skimming the backlog :)
[20:07] <DavidSimon6> ShiftPlusOne: you're the one who wants to know
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[20:07] <nemo> zgreg: the game runs at a whopping 5-6 fps using mesa's software rendering :)
[20:08] <zgreg> it's probably not a sane idea to implement this in SDL, anyway. EGL usually requires some platform-specific custom code
[20:08] <nemo> that's on lowest quality settings
[20:08] <nemo> zgreg: ok. we had this conversation yesterday, I'd swear
[20:08] <ShiftPlusOne> DavidSimon6, Like I said, I have a multimeter, I don't have the means of measuring the current, since I don't want to cut any wires.
[20:08] <nemo> zgreg: we use SDL to get the context, but all our draws are GLES11, soon to be GLES2
[20:08] <ekselkiu> nemo: 5-6 fps using MESA on the pi ?!?!
[20:08] <zgreg> I wasn't here yesterday :)
[20:08] <nemo> zgreg: that's why I expect it to be relatively easy to fix
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[20:08] <nemo> zgreg: yes you were.
[20:08] <nemo> zgreg: ok. maybe day before
[20:09] <nemo> whatever. last time you got after me for stuff about GL :-p
[20:09] <irctc080> RE powered hubs for Rasp Pi, will just about any work or do I need something special?
[20:09] <zgreg> ahh yes, I remember :)
[20:09] <DavidSimon6> ShiftPlusOne: buy a cheap cable and keep it for future projects
[20:09] <nemo> ekselkiu: yeah. of course, on lowest "quality" settings. so eliminating a bunch of textures from the draws
[20:09] <nemo> ekselkiu: is just baaaaaarely playable :)
[20:09] <nemo> ekselkiu: also 640x480 window size
[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> DavidSimon6, might have to
[20:10] <ekselkiu> nemo: I'm impressed.
[20:10] <nemo> zgreg: your batting average was same that day too :) I think you type first, then read what I say after :D
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[20:10] <nemo> ekselkiu: esp since fpc is crap about optimised code
[20:10] <plugwash> irctc080, what you want is a hub that comes with a decent PSU, unfortunately there are some that come with PSUs so shitty they can barely do more than light the LED on the hub
[20:10] <nemo> ekselkiu: although. on arm...
[20:10] <ekselkiu> nemo: Well fpc doesn't compile MESA...
[20:10] <irctc080> Thanks plugwash
[20:11] <nemo> does anyone know if there's anything like auto-vectorisation on the ARM chip that the pi uses?
[20:11] <zgreg> nemo: I guess you're right - I should read/think a bit more before I talk, sometimes :)
[20:11] <ShiftPlusOne> irctc080, I haven't had good luck with hubs so far
[20:11] <nemo> ekselkiu: oh ffs. I meant the internal game math. dude
[20:11] <nemo> ekselkiu: we do a lot of loop heavy stuff manipulating arrays
[20:11] <irctc080> @Shift Plus one , I have a mobile phone charger with is 5.1 V , think that'd work?
[20:11] <ekselkiu> nemo: I would've thought it's MESA's rendering that takes most of the time.
[20:11] <zgreg> nemo: ARMv6 only has a crude integer SIMD extension
[20:12] <nemo> ekselkiu: sure, but I was just noting that the engine adds some overhead. like, for normal play, one of my desktop cores hits 10% or so
[20:12] <nemo> ekselkiu: well. 5-10%
[20:12] <ekselkiu> OK.
[20:12] <nemo> ekselkiu: given the Pi has much lower bogomips than my desktop
[20:12] <nemo> ekselkiu: I'm noting they are fighting for same resources when rendering on CPU
[20:12] <nemo> layer on to that fpc's "meh" math :)
[20:12] <ekselkiu> Yeah. Still, I'm pleasantly surprised the pi can do any CPU rendering at all.
[20:12] <nemo> ekselkiu: gordonDrogon here has been doing a lot of sprite animation
[20:13] <nemo> and his stuff works pretty well
[20:13] <nemo> admittedly not as many sprites as our game :)
[20:13] <nemo> also, probably no alpha compositing
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[20:13] <ekselkiu> nemo: I'll have to try playing this game now :D
[20:14] <nemo> ekselkiu: if for some reason you want to build it on the pi, our build instructions (skip the server) for debian work fine
[20:14] <nemo> ekselkiu: just copy and paste
[20:14] <zgreg> AFAIK on tile-based renderers blending is basically "for free" :)
[20:14] <nemo> http://code.google.com/p/hedgewars/wiki/BuildingOnLinux
[20:14] <nemo> ekselkiu: at some point I'll add a Pi IFDEF
[20:15] <nemo> ekselkiu: I'll probably backport it to the stable branch
[20:15] <nemo> ekselkiu: so hopefully it should be playable "real soon"
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[20:15] <ekselkiu> nemo: My pi is coming in about 8 weeks so there's plenty of time for that, heh.
[20:15] <nemo> ekselkiu: it took me about an hour to build on the overclocked pi - less than a minute of that for the engine
[20:15] <nemo> frontend is Qt and took a lot longer
[20:15] <zgreg> I guess as long as you batch drawing and don't have insane overdraw, sprite-based games should render really well on the pi
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[20:19] <plugwash> BTW are you doing this on debian or raspbian?
[20:20] <plugwash> and are you building the pascal code with software floating point or vfp floating point?
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[20:21] <PReDiToR> You're known as plugwash most places you go, but you messed up the registration at /. IIRC.
[20:22] <plugwash> yes I did
[20:22] <PReDiToR> I can imagine how infuriating that must be.
[20:22] <plugwash> there is an account called plugwash on /. with no posts and i'm 99% sure I created it but i've no idea what details I used to register it
[20:23] <plugwash> and i'm pretty sure if there is an email address associated with it it's a long dead one
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[20:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Just goes to show you... never change your email and use the same password for everything... and keep it short and simple, so that you don't forget.
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[20:24] <ShiftPlusOne> like 'password'
[20:24] <jaxdahl> just got my RPI, put archlinux on the sd card, hooked it up to HDTV via hdmi, tv says there's no signal
[20:24] <PReDiToR> We've all been there. Home mail servers were my PITA a few years back.
[20:24] <PReDiToR> Password Hasher. End of all hassle.
[20:24] <ShiftPlusOne> jaxdahl, did you plug in hdmi before or after turning on the pi?
[20:24] <jaxdahl> before
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[20:24] <jaxdahl> (both)
[20:25] <ShiftPlusOne> then I don't know, but I'd have a play with config.txt
[20:25] <jaxdahl> i added config_hdmi_boost=4 hdmi_force_hotplug=1 to cmdline.txt - is that the right file?
[20:25] <ShiftPlusOne> no
[20:26] <PReDiToR> Have you checked the overscan on the TV? I assumed when I first turned mine on that the prompt was hidden off screen.[1~
[20:26] <ShiftPlusOne> hang on... are those meant to be kernel parameters?
[20:26] <ShiftPlusOne> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[20:26] <nemo> zgreg: no batch drawing yet
[20:26] <jaxdahl> 'configuration file' so i suppose that was the wrong file
[20:26] <nemo> zgreg: that's in next release
[20:26] <nemo> zgreg: which makes pi's performance all the more impressive
[20:26] <ShiftPlusOne> jaxdahl, restore cmdline as it was before you modified it and create config.txt
[20:27] <jaxdahl> config.txt exists
[20:27] <ShiftPlusOne> and take a look at the wiki page I pasted above
[20:27] <jaxdahl> yeah, reading
[20:27] <nemo> plugwash: game is using software fixed point. floating point is unfortunately rather unreliable unless you are using streflop or similar
[20:27] <nemo> plugwash: internal 8 byte type.
[20:28] <nemo> plugwash: and. using debian personally
[20:29] <jaxdahl> how long is the bootup process typically?
[20:29] <jaxdahl> or is config.txt the first thing it reads?
[20:29] <nemo> speaking of boot. my boot seems to stall a long time on what seems to be loading the keyboard profile
[20:29] <plugwash> just wondering, BTW if you want to use freepascal in raspbian make sure you use the version from the raspbian repos
[20:29] <nemo> I switched mine from UK to USA/USA but I can't think that that would matter
[20:29] <plugwash> since it's been patched with appropriate options for raspbian
[20:30] <nemo> plugwash: oh. I'd just used default debian
[20:30] <nemo> plugwash: is this a stability concern, or performance one?
[20:31] <nemo> hm. I assume it was standard debian. I'd just apt-get installed, I hadn't selected a repo w/ -t
[20:31] <nemo> unless the raspbian one is default
[20:31] <plugwash> If you are running debian you should use the debian freepascal packages, if you are using raspbian you should use the raspbian freepascal packages
[20:31] <nemo> ah. 'k
[20:33] <Ricksl> Quick question, does anyone know of anyone who has built or compiled a zmachine interpreter for pi?
[20:34] <IT_Sean> You could recompile Frotz for ARM
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> jaxdahl, config.txt shouldn't affect boot time at all.
[20:34] <jaxdahl> ShiftPlusOne, got it working in vga 640x480 now, thanks
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> no worries, now you need to get hdmi_mode sorted, and you should be set
[20:35] <jaxdahl> at least i know its IP address now and can SSH in so i can mess around if the display stops
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[20:36] <Rom> Hi
[20:37] <Rom> Did your raspberrypi freeze sometimes? (Rspbmc)
[20:38] <jaxdahl> can i change the video configuration without rebooting?
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[20:38] <Ricksl> anyone know what ncurses is?
[20:39] <passstab> yes
[20:39] <jaxdahl> i do.
[20:39] <PReDiToR> Ricksl: It's the graphical environment that is used for programs that aren't running under X
[20:39] <jaxdahl> i know how you can find out what it is too
[20:39] <Ricksl> kinda like how some run off gtk?
[20:39] <ShiftPlusOne> jaxdahl, you could try fbset
[20:39] <PReDiToR> Sort of "DOS prompt graphics"
[20:39] <jaxdahl> maybe i should try the debian one instead of archlinux
[20:40] <ShiftPlusOne> jaxdahl, debian is friendlier to beginners (apparantly)
[20:40] <chancellorsmith> I've been having fun with my Pi today - usb webcam and the "motion" prog. Now i want to get audio working and hear the Pi speak!
[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> chancellorsmith, nice, motion detection works?
[20:41] <amstan> Ricksl: http://homepages.e3.net.nz/~keithmg/images/pkgtool.png
[20:41] <chancellorsmith> in a fashion
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[20:41] <amstan> Ricksl: note the buttons and text boxes with lack of X
[20:41] <chancellorsmith> haha??? yes it works??? i have two webcams, an el cheap logitech C250
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[20:41] <chancellorsmith> and a Playstaion Eye thing - for the PS3
[20:41] <Ricksl> just making sure my understanding of it is correct
[20:42] <Ricksl> thank you
[20:43] <chancellorsmith> both work streaming with motion, picture is far better on the playstation cam. It has a problem though - bizarrely the streamed picture is 100% brilliant, but the motion detected saved down jpeg snapshots are sharp but the image is segmented, very strange
[20:43] <chancellorsmith> C250 seems to work fine but image is not as good.
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[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> nice, so then a simple security system would be viable =)
[20:43] <chancellorsmith> I think I'd like to fire some audio when motion is detected
[20:43] <chancellorsmith> Maybe...
[20:44] <chancellorsmith> My experimentations in Pi land continue
[20:44] <chancellorsmith> I really would like a 720p usb webcam - does anyone know if that would work ?
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> wave
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> been out for a bit. clients!
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon>
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[20:52] <jaxdahl> strange, tvservice says my TV only supports 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024? no widescreen modes
[20:52] <amstan> oh man!
[20:52] <amstan> i just realized what element14 meant
[20:52] <amstan> it's silicone
[20:52] <jaxdahl> silicon
[20:52] <amstan> that ^
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[20:53] <chancellorsmith> I really would like a 720p usb webcam - does anyone know if that would work ? anyone got any insight or tried it ?
[20:53] <nemo> amstan: lol. took you until now? :)
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[20:53] <nemo> amstan: if it was silicone that would make for awesome advertisements
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[20:53] <amstan> nemo: well.. i didn't care too much till now
[20:53] <nemo> amstan: do a google image search for "silicone"
[20:53] <nemo> I dare ya
[20:54] <amstan> i know the diff
[20:54] <amstan> i just had a spelling mistake
[20:54] <IT_Sean> w/ filtering turned off
[20:54] <nemo> sure sure. just playing around
[20:54] <nemo> IT_Sean: at work :)
[20:54] <zgreg> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-18-to-support-UEFI-Secure-Boot-1588057.html
[20:54] <zgreg> wtf happened?
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, they sold out...
[20:54] <amstan> zgreg: betrayed
[20:55] <nemo> dunno. I think they kinda have to
[20:55] <nemo> the sad thing is though, it doesn't really help
[20:55] <nemo> the manufacturers will most likely have it locked to Windows
[20:55] <amstan> nemo: what stops all the other distros using it?
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> on a more positive note:
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/05/31/237208/judge-rules-apis-can-not-be-copyrighted
[20:55] <nemo> microsoft changed their policy on requiring that, but they certainly don't encourage manufacturers to not do that
[20:55] <nemo> and most likely unlocking your computer will at least require tech support or digging through a manual
[20:55] <nemo> gone the time of handing someone a linux CD
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> the manufacturers have it locked to any bootloader that's signed and it's $99 to get a signing key - AIUI.
[20:56] <nemo> gordonDrogon: yep. something like that :(
[20:56] <amstan> i don't get why the other distros can't use the fedora key now
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> because fedora isn't giving it away?
[20:56] <amstan> how can they do that? what if you want to recompile your fedora kernel?
[20:56] <nemo> and doesn't matter if your computer doesn't honour the key anyway
[20:56] <zgreg> they have to? I don't know, but if anything they shouldn't have caved in and made this ugly kind of DRM acceptable
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> I'm really not sure how that's going to go down in Europe though.
[20:57] <amstan> it's a TC issue now
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[20:57] <nemo> amstan: I imagine the people who will use this are companies. they probably don't recompile anything.
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> I'm also surprised ARM are allowing that condition for Win8 on ARM devices, however I'm sure the makers of the generic products (HTC, etc.) will simply make ARM phones without it if given enough orders..
[20:58] <nemo> zgreg: sad thing is UEFI didn't have to be ugly DRM - it could have been done in a nice way
[20:58] <PReDiToR> I imagine that sooner or later someone will give us a pin-shorting solution to UEFI.
[20:58] <nemo> zgreg: open to all operating systems with a simple friendly interactive system for adding that new CD to your machine's list
[20:58] <nemo> PReDiToR: eh. the big boys still win there. There's no way your mom's gonna be mucking about w/ pins to get linux installed
[20:58] <zgreg> UEFI isn't the problem, the "secure boot" extension of it is
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[20:59] <nemo> PReDiToR: even going into BIOS is a problem
[20:59] <nemo> zgreg: even secure boot could have been done in a friendly fashion
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[20:59] <chancellorsmith> if i'm running headless which file do i copy over start.elf to give me more memory?
[20:59] <zgreg> but it would be less secure in that case :)
[20:59] <PReDiToR> nemo: If you can buy (without the DMCA interfering) a little shim to slip over the TC chip for $0.20 from Hong Kong then a lot of geeks can carry on as normal
[21:00] <chancellorsmith> 128,192 or 224
[21:00] <chancellorsmith> what do those indicate
[21:00] <nemo> zgreg: a simple interactive process that made the user understand they were adding something to their trusted list isn't an unmanageable process
[21:00] <nemo> zgreg: it is done in many other contexts
[21:00] <chancellorsmith> the amount of memory given to what?
[21:00] <PReDiToR> chancellorsmith: cp arm224-start.elf start.elf
[21:00] <nemo> PReDiToR: geeks sure. but that will guarantee perpetual minority status for linux just when adoption and software was slowly improving
[21:00] <PReDiToR> chancellorsmith: maximum RAM, least GPU RAM.
[21:01] <chancellorsmith> ok thanks - what does the 224 indicate
[21:01] <chancellorsmith> oh ok
[21:01] <nemo> PReDiToR: the bluray situation is bad enough. linux is the first one that had support, but still can't play most discs
[21:01] <chancellorsmith> ta, so that's 224 regular
[21:01] <chancellorsmith> the max
[21:01] <PReDiToR> nemo What is BluRay? Oh, consumerism eating itself.
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> chancellorsmith, 224 is 224MB of RAM given to the ARM.
[21:02] <chancellorsmith> ok, thanks, that'll do it
[21:02] <chancellorsmith> as opposed to 128 or 192
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> MB
[21:02] <chancellorsmith> k
[21:02] <chancellorsmith> done and rebooting
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> You'll need 192 for some GPU apps. maybe even 128 for stuff like Quake...
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[21:03] <chancellorsmith> i'm headless
[21:03] <nemo> PReDiToR: my coworkers are baffled that I still don't have bluray at home
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> you'll be OK with 224 then.
[21:04] <chancellorsmith> coolio - trying some audio stuff in a mo???.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> I have a dvd player and an old Sony widescreen tube tv :)
[21:04] <mjr> nemo, how droll. Optical media is so 1000's anyway
[21:04] <chancellorsmith> will do hexxahs firmware update first and then try it
[21:04] <nemo> gordonDrogon: oh. interesting. I'd assumed the GPU dynamically allocated memory
[21:04] <jaxdahl> does the rpi function at all w/o a sd card?
[21:04] <mjr> jaxdahl, no
[21:04] <PReDiToR> gordonDrogon: I'd dump the SONY TV just on general principles.
[21:04] <jaxdahl> no pxe boot?
[21:05] <mjr> indeed not
[21:05] <nemo> gordonDrogon: so. the default is 32MiB to the GPU?
[21:05] <mjr> the GPU needs to load its firmware and the kernel (possibly initrd) from the SD card. Now, for the rest, you can have an nfs root or USB root or whatever.
[21:05] <jaxdahl> is usb interface faster than sd?
[21:06] <mjr> jaxdahl, yes
[21:06] <chancellorsmith> so you reboot and it says ??? Mem: 216M 31M 185M 0B 5.6M 15M
[21:06] <chancellorsmith> shouldn't the 216 be 224 ?
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[21:06] <nemo> gordonDrogon: 'cause w/ non-blurry land we use more like 36MiB or so...
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[21:06] <jaxdahl> i got a class 4 microsdhc card and it writes at 3.8 MB/sec :(
[21:06] <mjr> jaxdahl, so if you want speed, you probably want just a small SD card for booting and run the rest on an USB media device (or the network, perchance)
[21:06] <mjr> (not sure if the network is faster than the SD though)
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[21:07] <DoubleV_> does rpi work with a microSD to SD adaptor?
[21:07] <chancellorsmith> yes
[21:07] <PReDiToR> DoubleV_: yes
[21:07] <jaxdahl> DoubleV_, using one right now
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[21:08] <nemo> mjr: network is faster than my SD
[21:08] <chancellorsmith> although mine mysteriously stopped working earlier
[21:08] <nemo> mjr: non-cached read was timed at a little more than 4MiB when I checked it in hdparm the other day
[21:08] <nemo> mjr: I'm guessing write is a bit slower than that...
[21:08] <jaxdahl> nemo, what class card
[21:08] <nemo> jaxdahl: 6
[21:09] <chancellorsmith> has anyone got audio working on arch, without glitches ?
[21:09] <nemo> jaxdahl: was like 4.2 or something
[21:09] <nemo> hmmm
[21:09] <nemo> I can maybe ssh into the Pi to check again
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[21:09] <nemo> assuming the pi starts sshd by default on the debian image
[21:09] <nemo> let's see
[21:09] <jaxdahl> windows is writing to my class 4 card at 3.5 MB/sec
[21:09] <chancellorsmith> nemo: not sure it does
[21:09] <jaxdahl> nemo, it does not IIRC
[21:09] <nemo> yay!
[21:09] <chancellorsmith> nemo: it does on arch
[21:09] <nemo> it does
[21:09] <chancellorsmith> ok
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[21:10] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/temp.txt <- read speeds
[21:11] <chancellorsmith> Raspberry Pi firmware updater by Hexxeh, enhanced by AndrewS - Using ARM/GPU memory split of 224MB/32MB
[21:11] <zgreg> I also get just 4-5 MB with my SD cards
[21:11] <chancellorsmith> i like the way it picks up the men split, clever
[21:12] <zgreg> there's something seriously wrong with the pi's SD interface
[21:12] <nemo> chancellorsmith: hm. so that split isn't dynamic?
[21:12] <chancellorsmith> defined by start.elf i believe
[21:12] <IT_Sean> the memory split? No, that's not dynamic. it's set at boot
[21:12] <nemo> chancellorsmith: 'cause if so, going to need to increase it slightly for hedgewars. either that or play w/ blurry land - blurry land is probably adequate I guess
[21:12] <nemo> chancellorsmith: we use 32MiB for land texture - blurry land scales it up - so just uses 8MiB
[21:13] <chancellorsmith> all greek to me
[21:13] <chancellorsmith> Hedge Wars !
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[21:13] <nemo> chancellorsmith: playing area is pixel based, 2048x4096 - on graphics card that's 2k*4k*4 (RGBA)
[21:13] <ratherDashing> this is all when SDL has an OpenGLES interface right?
[21:13] <chancellorsmith> is that like conifer wars
[21:13] <chancellorsmith> that's be a great game
[21:13] <nemo> chancellorsmith: Hedgehog wars.
[21:13] <nemo> why can't they share the hedge
[21:14] <nemo> ratherDashing: I'ma gonna see if I can't just grab a GL context outside of SDL
[21:14] <nemo> ratherDashing: we don't use SDL for drawing anyway
[21:14] <nemo> ratherDashing: it runs at 5-6fps using mesa software rendering on the pi ;)
[21:14] <zgreg> hedgewars might remind you of a certain popular game whose name starts with w and ends with orms
[21:15] <ratherDashing> it should be much better once yer using the gpu though i would hope, although i could see the AI taking a while to think it's move out
[21:15] <nemo> ratherDashing: heh. when AI was thinking, frame rate dropped to 3fps
[21:15] <ratherDashing> how do you guys draw on android?
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[21:15] <nemo> ratherDashing: doesn't slow down the game 'cause AI is time limited
[21:15] <nemo> ratherDashing: it just makes the AI dumber ;)
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> change the screen to smaller :)
[21:15] <zgreg> nemo: have you investigated whether texture compression can be used?
[21:15] <nemo> gordonDrogon: 5-6fps was at 640x480
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> nemo, oh )-:
[21:16] <nemo> zgreg: texture compression is a very difficult thing to do usefully cross-platform. we are investigating it
[21:16] <nemo> zgreg: iOS in particular sucks
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> that's all in ARM land then?
[21:16] <nemo> zgreg: android could be feasible
[21:16] <nemo> zgreg: haven't looked into what the pi supports yet
[21:16] <nemo> gordonDrogon: we should do way better once we are on the GPU :)
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> SDL is mostly cross platform from what I gather - one reason I picked it, although I've yet to try it on anything other than Linux.
[21:17] <jaxdahl> the debian squeeze i downloaded doesn't seem to autostart sshd
[21:17] <nemo> gordonDrogon: we are on linux, BSD, OSX, Android, iOS and recently, meego
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> jaxdahl, no, it's doesn't.
[21:17] <nemo> gordonDrogon: oh. and windows of course
[21:17] <jaxdahl> what's the command to start it
[21:17] <ratherDashing> i believe raspbian autostarts sshd
[21:17] <nemo> ratherDashing: on Android, we use a GL context. the engine is cross-compiled. there is SDL for android
[21:17] <zgreg> the VideoCore IV supports ETC1 compression
[21:17] <nemo> ratherDashing: frontend is java of course
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> jaxdahl, sudo /boot/boot_enable_ssh.rc
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> jaxdahl, see https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/ for some more stuff...
[21:18] <zgreg> might be useful to compress on demand
[21:18] <nemo> zgreg: compressing textures has a few issues
[21:18] <nemo> zgreg: the bastards who made iOS picked a non-free compression algorithm
[21:18] <nemo> zgreg: and there is no support for compressing on the GPU
[21:18] <zgreg> hm, what does iOS support?
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[21:19] <zgreg> it's probably down to the GPU...
[21:19] <nemo> zgreg: I found a research PDF describing the algorithm, but my chances of converting that to something the iphone would read in software is rather unlikely
[21:19] <nemo> zgreg: who knows how they might have subtly changed it
[21:19] <nemo> zgreg: on android, things are a bit better. there's one that almost all phones support. I forget 'sactly what it is, but there's a matrix of devices out there. easy enough to find
[21:19] <nemo> zgreg: and also, can be done on the gpu \o/
[21:20] <zgreg> yeah the one that most android devices support is ETC1
[21:20] <nemo> zgreg: for iOS our only option is to use their stupid commandline tool to pack compressed textures for anything that we aren't generating on the fly
[21:20] <nemo> zgreg: so it isn't much of a win
[21:20] <nemo> zgreg: hm. that doesn't sound right...
[21:20] * nemo googles
[21:21] <nemo> zgreg: compressed paletted texture - oh right. we were concerned about how it would look w/ our heavy use of alpha
[21:21] <nemo> zgreg: might be workable
[21:21] <chancellorsmith> i play audio but silence (headless with speakers connected to the 3.5mm jack) why ?
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[21:21] <nemo> http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/ea21934c2bf1f16c
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[21:22] <zgreg> hm, I really meant http://www.khronos.org/registry/gles/extensions/OES/OES_compressed_ETC1_RGB8_texture.txt :)
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[21:22] <nemo> chancellorsmith: hm. I was puzzled about audio too.
[21:22] <nemo> chancellorsmith: I can't seem to get it working either
[21:22] <zgreg> I can't imagine paletted textures are actually supported well
[21:22] <nemo> I just installed alsa-utils and they claim no sound device
[21:22] <zgreg> most modern GPUs cannot work with them
[21:22] <jaxdahl> ohhhhhhhh, ShiftPlusOne, figured it out, CEA=0 and DMT=1, apparently that changed in a recent firmware
[21:22] <chancellorsmith> i'm still puzzled.
[21:22] <chancellorsmith> yes have installed alas-utils
[21:22] <nemo> zgreg: well. don't really want to have per-device code in there
[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> jaxdahl, ah, awesome.
[21:22] <nemo> zgreg: but uncompressed still works ok on modern devices
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[21:23] <jaxdahl> running 1920x1080 @ 60 now
[21:23] <nemo> zgreg: we don't need a *huge* amount of texture memory
[21:23] <nemo> zgreg: just don't run your browser at the same time :)
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[21:23] <nemo> chancellorsmith: lemme know if you figure it out :)
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[21:24] <nemo> zgreg: actually RLE would probably be a big win for us if anything actually did it. could perhaps do it in a shader :D
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[21:25] <chancellorsmith> no idea???anyone else ?
[21:26] <chancellorsmith> alsamixer making no sense i've go thte bcd module loaded and done amixer -c 0 set PCM 0dB
[21:26] <zgreg> chancellorsmith: have you played around with the mixer?
[21:26] <chancellorsmith> still nothing
[21:26] <zgreg> it's totally broken at the moment
[21:26] <chancellorsmith> yeah - can't make sense of it
[21:26] <chancellorsmith> ah, ok
[21:26] <chancellorsmith> that would explain it
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[21:27] <zgreg> if you've played around with it before you tested output, try to reload the sound driver
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[21:27] <zgreg> just never touch the mixer and you should be fine (mostly)
[21:28] <zgreg> the alsa driver still tends to fuck up in creative ways, though...
[21:28] <PReDiToR> I find that doing alsactl -store helps
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> zgreg, >=/
[21:29] <jaxdahl> whoo kernel panic
[21:29] <PReDiToR> Your first?
[21:29] <jaxdahl> ys
[21:29] <chancellorsmith> i can't get a peep out of her. oh well
[21:29] <PReDiToR> welcome to the club =)
[21:29] <jaxdahl> i was doing an apt-get
[21:29] <PReDiToR> I had three just running pacman -Syu on first boot. You guys have it easy with this newer firmware =)
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[21:30] <jaxdahl> no idea how to debug this
[21:30] <PReDiToR> I'll make it easy for you ... don't.
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[21:32] <oldtopman> How do I read rpi serial numbers?
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> IIRC
[21:33] <oldtopman> No, read them and get information such as board date, etc.
[21:33] <oldtopman> Cool tip though.
[21:34] <ShiftPlusOne> ah got it
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[21:35] <PReDiToR> Oh, I set my MAC on the command line, wasn't there supposed to be a way to have the system read a programmed number from either the PHY or the CPU and assign a static MAC?
[21:36] <zgreg> the bootloader does that
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> PReDiToR, the MAC is sotred in the Ethernet hardware.
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[21:36] <PReDiToR> I'll try again, but I was getting random MACs a while back
[21:37] <zgreg> the bootloader calculates the MAC from an internal serial number, which is then passed to the kernel
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> wow...
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[21:37] <zgreg> check out the kernel commandline in "dmesg" output
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> Hmmm.
[21:37] <zgreg> Kernel command line: dma.dmachans=0x3c bcm2708_fb.fbwidth=720 bcm2708_fb.fbheight=480 bcm2708.boardrev=0x1000002 bcm2708.serial=0xa5d6934b smsc95xx.macaddr=B8:27:EB:D6:93:4B ...
[21:37] <PReDiToR> Yep, that's where I'm setting mine so that it's static. without smsc95 ... it was random.
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[21:37] <gordonDrogon> what a curious wat to do it.
[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> or just cat /proc/cmdline
[21:38] <zgreg> it's definitely static here, without me doing anything
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> wasn't there some fuss about intel chips having the serial number burnt into them at one point?
[21:38] <PReDiToR> CPUs, yes
[21:39] <zgreg> I know for certain because I use IPv6 link-local adresses for communication with the pi :D
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> I once had the task of writing software to manage MACs for a company I worked for who made their own Ethernet interface fo a CPU board...
[21:39] <PReDiToR> We were up in arms (no pun intended) that some software sould report our serial number to MSFT/Adobe.
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> Suns always had 'hostid' .. but that seems to be based on the MAC on a Linux box these days.
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[21:40] <Mrkva> hey guys
[21:40] <chancellorsmith> i play a file and get snd_bcm2835_playback_open:97 Alsa open (0) and then snd_bcm2835_playback_close:167 Alsa close but no sound???. silence is golden i guess
[21:40] <zgreg> chancellorsmith: these are active speakers, right?
[21:41] <chancellorsmith> yes
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> I got doom to play sound...
[21:41] <zgreg> what worked well for me is mplayer2, but *only* with OSS output via alsa's snd-pcm-oss wrapper
[21:41] <chancellorsmith> i even did hdmi_drive=1 in config.txt
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[21:42] <Mrkva> hmm, has sdram_freq settings config.txt any effect at all? I'm at 700MHz and it still boots
[21:42] <chancellorsmith> i think that hdmi_drive=1 sets it to the 3.5mm jack
[21:43] <ShiftPlusOne> chancellorsmith, nuh, that doesn't sound right
[21:43] <ShiftPlusOne> it has to do with hdmi/dvi
[21:43] <chancellorsmith> didn't work before i added that line anyways
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, there are sound issues which are resolved that way
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> including hdmi sound issues
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[21:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Mrkva, why are you doing that?
[21:46] <wizkid057> got bitcoind to compile and run on the pi finally
[21:46] <wizkid057> not sure it'll survive the entire blockchain download, but, we'll see
[21:47] <IT_Sean> Are you really bitcoining on a raspi?
[21:47] <IT_Sean> O_o
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> heh.. heres some irony, getting a BASIC program to generate a C data structure :)
[21:48] <PReDiToR> It will take about a million years to mine a coin without the GPU doing the work.
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[21:48] <Mrkva> ShiftPlusOne: why not?
[21:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Because overclocking with random values is not a good idea.
[21:49] <akeeh> Finally got my rpi from rs today, good day :)
[21:50] <Mrkva> I know that, but that value is not random... so is there any reason why not to push it as much as I can?
[21:51] <wizkid057> not mining, just running the daemon
[21:51] <chancellorsmith> don't laugh
[21:51] <chancellorsmith> ok laugh
[21:51] <chancellorsmith> I hadn't turned the speakers on
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[21:51] <ShiftPlusOne> >_<
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[21:52] <wizkid057> 1166 pi 20 0 147m 51m 3392 S 65.2 27.9 7:24.52 bitcoind
[21:54] <Kripton> wizkid057, really? is it worth the power it consumes?
[21:54] <wizkid057> Kripton: not mining, just running the P2P client daemon
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[21:54] <Kripton> wizkid057, I see, okay :)
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[21:55] <chancellorsmith> ststill doesn't work - crackle and then sound when playing aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav but a playing a wav file gives nothing
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[21:56] <wizkid057> Kripton: i tried mining, pi gets just under 0.2 MH/sec with not-pi-optimized code... which would come out to like, $0.25 in bitcoins per year of 24/7 mining... lol
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[21:57] <Kripton> wizkid057, yay sounds like the power you spend on it costs way more :)
[21:57] <wizkid057> hmm
[21:57] <nemo> PReDiToR: you can use the GPU on the pi to assist in bitcoin mining
[21:57] <wizkid057> yeah, about $6/yr to run the pi
[21:58] <nemo> PReDiToR: there are GLES2 shaders for helping in mining
[21:58] <Mrkva> ShiftPlusOne: okay, looks liek you were right, it is not really stable at that freq :)
[21:58] <wizkid057> nemo: gonna have to look into that... lol
[21:58] <nemo> PReDiToR: although I'm guessing that no one has tried those on the pi yet
[21:59] <wizkid057> nemo: know of any links to data on these shaders?
[21:59] <nemo> wizkid057: I know that someone did a webgl version of a bitcoin miner
[21:59] <nemo> wizkid057: I did not look into the code
[21:59] <nemo> you could try those keywords - webgl bitcoin
[21:59] <zgreg> bitcoin with GLSL ES? heh, that won't work well...
[22:00] <nemo> wizkid057: or I guess gles shader bitcoin
[22:00] <nemo> zgreg: why?
[22:00] <nemo> zgreg: floating point arithmetic isn't ideal...
[22:00] <nemo> and no bitops
[22:00] <nemo> but...
[22:01] <zgreg> yeah, that's why
[22:01] <zgreg> I was going to just say that... there's practically no integer support in GLSL ES
[22:01] <nemo> zgreg: I still think it would work ok
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[22:02] <nemo> zgreg: certainly someone tried it
[22:02] <nemo> hm
[22:02] <nemo> let's see what his miner does
[22:02] <chancellorsmith> woot - this works echo "It's such a beautiful day! Why are you in front of the computer?" | festival --tts <- but i get this terrible crackling - whats causing that ?
[22:03] <nemo> chancellorsmith: oh. you got alsa to work?
[22:03] <nemo> ish?
[22:03] <nemo> zgreg: his minor seems pretty crude
[22:03] <chancellorsmith> ish??? yes
[22:03] <nemo> does most everything in js
[22:03] <wizkid057> nemo: webgl work on the pi?
[22:03] <chancellorsmith> it's talking to me but it's crackling like crazy. v annoying
[22:03] <wizkid057> in chrome or something
[22:03] <chancellorsmith> so close and yet so far
[22:04] <nemo> wizkid057: dunno.
[22:04] <nemo> wizkid057: does glxinfo and glxgears work?
[22:04] <nemo> if not, probably no
[22:04] <wizkid057> my pi is headless right now
[22:04] <zgreg> there's no (hardware-accelerated) webgl support
[22:04] <nemo> wizkid057: but my point is, that if someone implemented something that works-ish in webgl, and it actually was an improvement over pure CPU, then it could be ported to GLES2 on the pi
[22:05] <zgreg> maybe mesa's software renderer works, dunno :)
[22:05] <wizkid057> well, i'll just hope one day someone hashes out opencl for the pi
[22:05] <nemo> http://bitcoin.biniok.net/gl.html - dude's inefficient webgl code
[22:05] <zgreg> but as there is no X integration for OpenGL ES, it can't work at the moment
[22:05] <wizkid057> yeah, i cant even get that to work on my pc... lol
[22:06] <nemo> zgreg: well. there's no reason at all to run webgl on pi - that'd be ridiculously inefficient. was more the porting that seemed worth doing
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[22:06] <nemo> zgreg: I don't see any particular reason that webgl requires X - on android, Firefox creates its own context for webgl
[22:07] <nemo> zgreg: it seems more of a porting problem, than anything
[22:07] <chancellorsmith> damn crackles
[22:07] <zgreg> well, the popular browsers for linux normally all run under X
[22:07] <stuartm> fwiw, despite what was said about Class 10 cards being problematic, I'm currently using a 16GB Transcend Class 10 without issues (so far)
[22:07] <nemo> zgreg: I mean that the browser could run under X, but I don't see why the GL context would have to be managed by X
[22:07] <zgreg> you can render offscreen and copy that to an X pixmap somehow, but that'd be even more ridiculuously inefficient :D
[22:08] <nemo> zgreg: why couldn't you just directly draw to portion of framebuffer
[22:08] <zgreg> nemo: to render directly into X pixmaps, for efficiency reasons
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[22:08] <nemo> zgreg: moving as necessary as the webgl area changes position on the screen
[22:08] <zgreg> nemo: that might be possible, but still requires interaction between X and GLES
[22:08] <nemo> zgreg: for what?
[22:09] <zgreg> to update the webgl area, like you just said, for instance
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[22:09] <nemo> stuartm: it wasn't problematic really. just supposedly not as good performance as class 6 for small files
[22:09] <nemo> stuartm: which was why I moved my class 10 to my camera
[22:10] <zgreg> do you want the application to do that? I think that's a pretty horrible hack
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[22:10] <nemo> zgreg: well. the application is the one managing scrolling
[22:10] <nemo> zgreg: and any other aspect of the webgl
[22:10] <nemo> like resizing
[22:10] <nemo> zgreg: X isn't doing most of that already
[22:10] <nemo> zgreg: hell. in new versions of Firefox, Firefox has even given up on the unreliable x RENDER
[22:10] <nemo> zgreg: and has moved to skia
[22:11] <nemo> zgreg: well. reliability depended on the gfx card manufacturer unfortunately
[22:11] <stuartm> nemo: ahh, the impression given the other day was that they didn't really work at all
[22:11] <zgreg> just at the point where more and more drivers are getting better at XRENDER :)
[22:11] <nemo> zgreg: my ATI is still crap
[22:11] <nemo> zgreg: the list of systems that still failed was long and embarassing
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[22:11] <nemo> zgreg: well. they still allow you to choose backends
[22:11] <zgreg> yeah, that's true
[22:12] <nemo> zgreg: you are welcome to try switching back from skia. might do well on nvidia maybe
[22:12] <nemo> intel surely
[22:12] <stuartm> anecdotally performance seems good with this one, but I can always switch to a class 6 card if I run into problems, I had the class 10 card lying around so it seemed worth a try
[22:12] <zgreg> xrender works well on both nvidia and intel for me
[22:12] <wizkid057> is disk throughput to a usb device better than to the SD card?
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[22:12] <nemo> stuartm: well. it might also not be that good for the card
[22:12] <wizkid057> SD card seems crazy slow, and its a class 6
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[22:12] <nemo> stuartm: if you are doing many small writes, I imagine overall wear is higher on class 10
[22:12] <nemo> but hey, whatever
[22:13] <nemo> stuartm: regardless it isn't a huge deal :)
[22:13] <zgreg> more and more people want to use opengl (es) instead now
[22:13] <zgreg> I'm not really sure if that is a good idea
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[22:13] <nemo> zgreg: welp. feel free to opinionate in the skia bug on bugzilla.mozilla.org :)
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[22:13] <nemo> zgreg: and can always stop by irc.mozilla.org :)
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[22:15] <stuartm> nemo: it's still going to take a very long time to cause enough wear and in day to day usage I don't see it being a problem
[22:15] <anish> wooo. second pi has arrived
[22:15] <nemo> stuartm: oh. I'm sure it isn't a big deal.
[22:15] <nemo> anish: hm. I was considering that myself
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[22:16] <nemo> stuartm: but if you have a 6 and a 10, I'd pick the 6
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[22:16] <nemo> anish: since I got mine from element14 and I have an order code w/ the other dudes
[22:16] <nemo> anish: but I think I shall stick w/ one, for now
[22:16] <nemo> it is plenty for my projects :)
[22:16] <nemo> let other people get a chance ;)
[22:16] <stuartm> 6 currently has a fedora image on it that wasn't working out, too many broken dependencies, when I get time I'll re-image it
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[22:19] <anish> nemo: yeah, I had the same thing
[22:19] <anish> RS shipped
[22:19] <anish> and element14 did not cancel my order
[22:19] <anish> accidental second pi
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[22:19] <anish> but twice the pi-ish goodness
[22:19] <stuartm> honestly I don't want to waste the 16GB card in the Pi, the 8GB Class 6 is more than big enough for my purposes
[22:19] <RITRedbeard> meh
[22:20] <RITRedbeard> I'm not even interested in Pi any more
[22:20] <RITRedbeard> improve the power consumption please! :(
[22:20] <nemo> stuartm: yeah. I have a 32GiB class 10 in my camera where it is more useful for huge rolls of RAW pictures and video
[22:20] <nemo> stuartm: my Pi is my 8GiB class 6
[22:20] <stuartm> I'm only interested in it as a development platform, which is what it was designed for anyway
[22:20] <nemo> stuartm: even after installing a ton of development libs and files, I still have huge amounts of space
[22:21] <Evie> We got two Class 10 Sandisk 16 GB cards here
[22:21] <nemo> rootfs 7.0G 2.7G 4.0G 41% /
[22:21] <nemo> Evie: supposedly 10 is not ideal. but I'm just repeating what the channel denizens said in the past
[22:21] <Evie> We... ended up with two RPi's from Element 14
[22:21] <Evie> Hmmn
[22:21] <nemo> Evie: apparently optimised for larger files
[22:21] <Evie> What is ideal?
[22:21] <nemo> Evie: class 6
[22:21] <nemo> supposedly
[22:21] <Evie> Interesting.
[22:22] <nemo> that 2.7GiB used is including the entire hedgewars mercurial repo which I installed on there for the heck of it
[22:22] <stuartm> nemo: yeah, I was running off a smaller root partition that than on my primary desktop, linux doesn't require much space and even less if you uninstall the stuff you're not going to use
[22:22] <nemo> also 2 copies of the dev code, totalling maybe 300MiB :)
[22:23] <nemo> so maybe a gig of code
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[22:23] <Evie> We do have one class 2.
[22:23] <Evie> We didnt have any class 6's at BB
[22:23] <Evie> 2, 4 10...
[22:23] <nemo> Evie: not a big deal :)
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[22:24] <nemo> Evie: I had a class 6 in my camera and upgraded it to a class 10 - I wanted to have a bigger camera "roll" anyway
[22:24] <nemo> koda!
[22:24] <Evie> :)
[22:24] <nemo> koda: heeey. got your pi yet? :)
[22:24] <koda> nemo: o/
[22:24] <koda> yeahhh
[22:24] <koda> got it today!
[22:24] <nemo> koda: AWESOME
[22:24] <Evie> our two 4GB sd cards in our normal cameras didn't work, alas
[22:24] <nemo> koda: building hedgewars? :)
[22:24] <koda> i'm one step behind
[22:24] <nemo> Evie: didn't work??
[22:25] <koda> i'm looking for a sd card
[22:25] <koda> and a powercord
[22:25] <nemo> koda: I found a micro usb cable in my box of cables
[22:25] <koda> i misread usb micro for usb mini -_-
[22:25] <nemo> score one for not throwing stuff out
[22:25] <Evie> Yeah, they wouldn't boot with that vintage, for some reason
[22:25] <nemo> I was just getting ready to clean up my boxes of old technology
[22:25] <Evie> It's why we sprung for the 16GB ones
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[22:25] <koda> i'm tempted to unwrap a usb cable and solder the pin directly
[22:25] <nemo> koda: lol
[22:25] <nemo> koda: risky :-p
[22:26] <nemo> koda: one slip w/ the solder like the dude in here...
[22:26] <nemo> aaaand. no more pi!
[22:26] <koda> what happened to him? :<
[22:26] <nemo> well. if story was true, he was doing it powered which does sound stupid
[22:26] <nemo> koda: you should check. if you have a camera or something, it might have a micro cable
[22:26] <nemo> koda: that's probably where my old one came from
[22:27] <koda> i'll have a look
[22:27] <IT_Sean> DanielDaniel? He dropped the iron (and a big blob o solder) onto his Pi, then turned it on
[22:27] <IT_Sean> Then he threw it in the bin
[22:27] <nemo> IT_Sean: I was saying supposedly 'cause your description of him sounded trollish :)
[22:27] <nemo> or maybe he was taking out his pain on the channel
[22:27] <mkopack> Ok, question , just to be sure I'm understanding it??? Hexxeh's rpi-update tool - Does that update both the kernel to the latest as well as the start.elf files, etc.? Or just the kernel? Or just the start.elf ?
[22:27] <IT_Sean> No, i'm pretty sure he was the first to fry a pi
[22:27] <stuartm> started working on a case today, and after all the talk the other night about bread board cases I had a sudden idea - I'd thought about constructing a wooden case and then I remembered I had an old hardwood bread board in the shed (that is a bread board for slicing bread)
[22:28] <stuartm> so not only is it a nice piece of wood, it's whimsical - while others are using cases with electrical bread boards, mine will be an actually bread board
[22:29] <nemo> nifty
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[22:29] <nemo> stuartm: but I don't have decent woodworking tools anymore. if I went for a wood case, I'd probably use something thin, like veneer
[22:29] <koda> i thought of a lego case, not original but could look nice
[22:29] <nemo> koda: sturdy too
[22:29] <nemo> and customisable
[22:30] <nemo> and works well on a lego mindstorms
[22:30] <Evie> I think we were thinking of doing a cardstock case for our two
[22:30] <nemo> koda: I was thinking of just using the box element14 shipped it in for now
[22:30] <nemo> koda: it is just the right size and fairly sturdy
[22:30] <Evie> My RS Online option came in for ordering, but I hadn't decided if I wanted to get in line for another
[22:31] <nemo> Evie: I have an order number too, but just gonna wait for now
[22:31] <nemo> Evie: maybe once I've come up w/ a good project for this one
[22:31] <jaxdahl2> http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_scat_172463_ln?rh=n%3A172463%2Ck%3Adisplayport+cable+1.2&keywords=displayport+cable+1.2&ie=UTF8&qid=1338582489&scn=172463&h=6e33d3716dd96a6a3c1c0f9148bdecfee946fd69#/ref=sr_st?keywords=displayport&qid=1338582537&rh=n%3A172282%2Cn%3A!493964%2Cn%3A541966%2Cn%3A172456%2Cn%3A172463%2Ck%3Adisplayport&sort=price not a single one of these on the first
[22:31] <jaxdahl2> page is a DP<->DP male/male cable, what gives
[22:31] <nemo> jaxdahl2: tinyurl ftw? :-p
[22:31] <jaxdahl2> many don't even have a thing to do with displayport
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[22:32] <bootc> evening all
[22:32] <bootc> sraue: around? any news about the kernel without the patch?
[22:32] <nemo> jaxdahl2: displayport - is that that dell thingy?
[22:32] <bootc> nemo: there's nothing Dell specific about DisplayPort
[22:32] <nemo> ah
[22:33] <nemo> bootc: we have a bunch of Dells w/ it - I thought it was something they were into
[22:33] <mkopack> display port is mostly an Apple thing, although it's started finding it's way into other brands as well now
[22:33] <jaxdahl2> minidp is sorta apple specific but they license it to others for free as long as they don't diss apple
[22:33] <nemo> bootc: have a dvi to displayport adapter sitting on my desk, no point in it anymore
[22:33] <bootc> not denying they may be into it :-)
[22:33] <nemo> mkopack: mm. my mac mini has hdmi only
[22:33] <mkopack> nemo: What year/model? Must be an older one.
[22:34] <nemo> mkopack: brand new
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[22:34] <mkopack> They've been using minidisplayport for a while
[22:34] <bootc> DisplayPort is just a competitor to HDMI really
[22:34] <bootc> the newest Mac Minis have HDMI _and_ mini-DisplayPort
[22:34] <djazz> why don't "sudo reboot" reboot the raspi?
[22:34] <stuartm> nemo: I've not idea how it will work out, I'm no master craftsman, plus I'm unsure how much ventilation it will require
[22:34] <anish> actually, mine does not reboot at all
[22:34] <mkopack> nemo: It's the little one right next to the HDMI
[22:35] <anish> it only shuts down and i have to restart it manually
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[22:35] <nemo> mkopack: oh... mini displayport. gotcha
[22:35] <djazz> anish: same here
[22:35] <mkopack> Between the HDMI and the 4 USB ports
[22:35] <nemo> mkopack: didn't recognise the form factor
[22:35] <mkopack> yeah
[22:35] <bootc> ah no they don't, they have Thunderbolt instead, which does the same job and some
[22:35] <nemo> mkopack: welp. I have no cables for that anyway :)
[22:35] <IT_Sean> You can use both @ the same time. Dual display FTW
[22:35] <mkopack> heeh
[22:35] <koda> stuartm: beware that dvi/dp converter are unidirectional
[22:35] <jaxdahl2> dp->dvi yes, dvi->dp no
[22:35] <sraue> bootc, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=7167#p89072 i have not heard anything wrong regarding sdcard issues
[22:35] <bootc> yep you can very easily go _from_ displayport to HDMI/DVI but not the other way around
[22:35] <koda> stuartm: i got bit by that once, as my monitor doesn't have hdmi
[22:36] <stuartm> bootc: proper Thunderbolt? Or the bastardised version which requires half the circuitry to be in the cable?
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[22:36] <nemo> bootc: oh. ick. due to some stupid DRM thing in HDMI?
[22:36] <jaxdahl2> my monitor has dvi and dp, so i have to get hdmi->dvi and then get a dp cable for my computer
[22:36] <bootc> sraue: what with 3.2.19 having been released I'm wondering about building that kernel without it
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[22:36] <jaxdahl2> nemo, no just not compatible
[22:36] <nemo> 'k
[22:36] <mkopack> At some point I'll replace my Drobo with a Thunderbolt model??? gonna be SICK
[22:36] <bootc> stuartm: the whole *point* of Thunderbolt is there's lots of circuitry in the cable
[22:36] <koda> mostly all companies that produce tvs are in the hdmi society
[22:36] <jaxdahl2> hdmi-dvi is easy due to pin compatibility
[22:37] <stuartm> bootc: not in the original design
[22:37] <koda> that's why dp hasn't yet broken into most electronic equipment
[22:37] <sraue> bootc, would be nice, i will stick on this kernel for a time now, and we will see if there will be reports
[22:37] <jaxdahl2> minidp is helping
[22:37] <bootc> nemo: no, because DP has a DVI/HDMI compatibility layer, it does more than they can do
[22:37] <nemo> koda: so. another firewire? :)
[22:37] <bootc> stuartm: you're thinking of Light Peak
[22:37] <mkopack> LightPeak IS thunderbol
[22:37] <mkopack> t
[22:37] <koda> nemo: well, at least this time they coupled it with thunderbolt
[22:37] <mkopack> they just changed the name
[22:37] <sraue> bootc, what this commit does or should do exactly?
[22:37] <bootc> Thunderbolt is Light Peak with cheaper bits inside the computer but more expensive cables
[22:38] <koda> so it will see more penetration
[22:38] <stuartm> bootc: but to save costs they chickened out, so now it saves board manufacturers a few cents but cables cost ?????? instead (or $$$ if you prefer)
[22:38] <nemo> stuartm: or ????????? :)
[22:38] <bootc> sraue: it's from popcornmix and should have resolved certain compatibility issues with some SD cards
[22:38] <bootc> instead it appears to have made it worse, at least for some people
[22:38] <koda> ??????
[22:38] <nemo> heh
[22:38] * RITRedbeard blows a kiss towards mkopack
[22:38] <IT_Sean> O_o
[22:39] <sraue> bootc, ok
[22:39] <mkopack> hehe hey RITRedbeard
[22:39] <mkopack> How you doing man?
[22:39] <RITRedbeard> nothing I heard you're bored with your pandaboard es
[22:39] <nemo> koda: more like ?????????? ;) (x100! :-p)
[22:39] <RITRedbeard> I heard you were going to donate it to me for a tax write off
[22:39] <RITRedbeard> is this correct?
[22:39] * mkopack is making a Fry's run this afternoon to buy a bunch of accessories to build up his Panda+3 Rpi modular rig
[22:39] <stuartm> anyway, I think sticking stuff in the cabling is dumb, especially at the point of connection where it will see the most wear and breakage
[22:40] <Evie> nemo: Ahh, displayport...
[22:40] <Evie> nemo: I feel like an old fogey with dvi now
[22:40] <nemo> Evie: er. what did *you* think DP stood for
[22:40] <stuartm> yeah, people are going to love having to replace those stupidly expensive cables
[22:40] <mkopack> RITRedbeard: to be honest, I haven't had much time to screw with it, and I'm finding the RPi's to be a lot more fun, mostly because there's so much bigger a community to get help from. The panda is rather frustrating
[22:40] <Evie> Well that and my 16:10 screen
[22:40] <Evie> Nah, I was catching up on scrollback
[22:40] <nemo> Evie: hehe. don't feel bad. my TV is still 720 and none of my machines use displayport
[22:41] <mkopack> stuartm: You're talking about the same people who believe the sales dorks at Best Buy and spend $100+ on a HDMI cable??? they won't know the difference
[22:41] <nemo> Evie: I suspect the target audience for raspberry pis does not include a ton of cutting edge $$$ tech fetishists ;)
[22:41] <bootc> stuartm: I happen to agree with you, but the cables will come down in price
[22:41] <stuartm> mkopack: sadly that's true
[22:41] <nemo> mkopack: oh. that reminds me. the day my raspberry pi arrived I realised I didn't have a single hdmi to hdmi cable - they were all minis for tablets and such...
[22:41] <nemo> mkopack: so I went to 5 different stores
[22:41] <Evie> nemo: We had to upgrade our audio receiver so we could do proper HDMI pass-through and decode, the old one just was like having an HDMI cable on a switch
[22:42] <nemo> mkopack: lowest I found was $17 used at game depot until I found a $10 one at Sears :)
[22:42] <mkopack> I've learned - when in a pinch need an HDMI cable RIGHT NOW and don't want to pay a fortune - don't go to the TV section, go to the video game section???
[22:42] <Evie> It made HDMI rather... infuriating
[22:42] <nemo> mkopack: actually the sears one was kinda neat w/ 360?? rotation of the connectors which made me feel a bit better about the $10 price
[22:42] <bootc> and putting clever stuff in the cables means they can make short copper ones or much longer ones with fibres inside
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[22:43] <nemo> bootc: fibre is slower than copper but I don't know if it matters at all on human terms :) probably just in chips
[22:43] <koda> Evie: what about power over hdmi?
[22:43] <mkopack> yeah, my receiver pisses me off on a regular basis.. every couple hours the HDMI video passthrough gets messed up and I get a blank screen for 2-3 seconds as it tries to resync. Of course, doesn't help that the AV receiver is HDMI 1.2 and everything else is 1.3+
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[22:43] <Evie> koda: still no power over HDMI as far as I know.
[22:44] <nemo> mkopack: interference? my crappy hdmi cable gave me a lot of trouble until someone diagnosed need for one of those lil iron collars around it
[22:44] <Evie> Although that would be neat, like ethernet or usb over hdmi
[22:44] <mkopack> could be. I'm using cheap cables
[22:44] <nemo> mkopack: those collar thingies are dirt cheap
[22:44] <mkopack> And I have it also handling the audio, rather than using the optical cables for audio
[22:44] * nemo looks up the actual name for it
[22:45] <thecrazyinventor> ferrite beads is what we call them mostly
[22:45] <Evie> I think our Pioneer reciever is 1.4a
[22:45] <mkopack> (even though I bought them??? Just haven't had the time and energy to pull the whole AV system out and rewire it and reprogram the harmony remote)
[22:45] <nemo> thecrazyinventor: ah. that's it.
[22:45] <bootc> nemo: fibre has the property that very high speed signals don't degrade over short distances like in copper
[22:45] <mkopack> ferrite chokes
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[22:45] <nemo> bootc: eh. just need room temperature super conductors :)
[22:46] <thecrazyinventor> but those things only cancel out common mode noise... strange that a simple ferrite bead around an hdmi cable provides better image
[22:46] <nemo> mkopack: that too :)
[22:46] <bootc> nemo: we all wish :-)
[22:46] <nemo> thecrazyinventor: well. he diagnosed it from the fact that coiling my cable fixed it
[22:46] <Evie> ahh
[22:46] <nemo> thecrazyinventor: apparently I'd run into something accidentally that radio hams do all the time
[22:47] <thecrazyinventor> ok, that's interesting
[22:47] <Evie> <3 chokes
[22:47] <nemo> thecrazyinventor: mine would just cut out periodically
[22:47] <nemo> which reminds me of mkopack's problem, but way more frequent
[22:47] <thecrazyinventor> Evie: yes... they seem to magically fix just about anything related to interference :P
[22:47] <Evie> Quite
[22:48] <koda> oh speaking of hdmi
[22:48] <plugwash> interference tends to be common mode and high frequency
[22:48] <koda> how it possible to force a 3d resolution?
[22:48] <koda> namely 1280x1470?
[22:48] <plugwash> so chokes do a good job of blocking it
[22:48] <Evie> Except when you're in a car. >_>
[22:48] <thecrazyinventor> they should have built a choke around the whole pi to get it through emc testing faster
[22:48] <mkopack> Could also be that I have the big power lines about 150 ft behind my house
[22:48] <Evie> But chokes are good at that still, too
[22:49] <nemo> mkopack: nice. do you ever go at out night w/ flourecent light tubes and play light sabres?
[22:49] <thecrazyinventor> nah, they don't produce interference at that large a distance
[22:49] <mkopack> koda: check the HDMI chart in the config.txt file
[22:49] <thecrazyinventor> and I guess even the cheap hdmi cables are somewhat shielded
[22:49] <nemo> thecrazyinventor: apparently my dirt cheap one was not. or at least not enough
[22:49] <koda> mkopack: i checked it today and that particular resolution isn't listed
[22:49] <mkopack> Then it's not supported
[22:50] <koda> ah, k
[22:50] <koda> then it's not 1.4 :p
[22:50] <nemo> mkopack: http://www.stopgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/richard-box.jpg
[22:50] <nemo> mkopack: now if that wasn't an art installation, it would technically be theft :)
[22:50] <mkopack> hehehe
[22:50] <nemo> mkopack: some people have gotten in trouble for doing similar things actually hooked up to houses
[22:51] <mkopack> yeah, I've often wondered if I could power some stuff via inductance in my house given the power lines
[22:51] <nemo> mkopack: yeah. don't do more than very tiny stuff
[22:51] <nemo> like a pi
[22:51] <mkopack> If it's inside the house how the hell they gonna know?
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[22:51] <nemo> mkopack: if you get ambitious, they'll notice the anomalous loss
[22:51] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[22:51] <mkopack> And I consider it payback for them cutting down the trees in my back yard those JERKS
[22:51] <nemo> mkopack: http://www.stopgeek.com/richard-boxs-light-field.html - this website is totally wrong. it isn't wasted power
[22:52] <nemo> mkopack: that's actually a parasitic display, done by arrangement w/ the power company
[22:52] <nemo> mkopack: yeah. they cut down a beautiful huge maple in my back yard. after already having carved out the middle third of it around their lines, they decided the rest had to go
[22:52] <nemo> ah well.
[22:52] <IT_Sean> really want to steal power... run something off the telephone line idle voltage :p
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[22:52] <nemo> IT_Sean: that doesn't scale as well ;)
[22:53] <IT_Sean> no. it doesn't
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[22:53] <thecrazyinventor> IT_Sean: I thought the phoneline was somehow current limited? like max 100mA or something like that
[22:53] <mkopack> yeah, they cut down a maple that the previous owner had put in literally 2 weeks before I bought the house. It had JUST finally, after 10 years started to grow a decent amount, and was STILL a good 30 ft away from and 40 ft below the first row of power lines, but they took it anyhow.
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[22:53] <IT_Sean> but, you could run something really small... perhaps a small LED display clock or something.
[22:53] <nemo> IT_Sean: I recall in the days of the blue box, beige box etc there was one, I think black box, that consisted of (supposedly) doing nasty things to people listening on your line or more likely destroying their equipment, by hooking it up to the AC
[22:53] <nemo> the house AC
[22:53] <thecrazyinventor> at 5 volts, that gives you half a watt... just enough to run a Pi off of
[22:53] <mkopack> The claimed "We only come out here once every 7 years, so we don't know if it's going to grow and get int he way in that 7 years or not"
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[22:54] <mjr> ...Pi needs 3.5 watts...
[22:54] <nemo> mkopack: huh. where do you live? that seems way excessive
[22:54] <nemo> mkopack: they compensated you right? we got $300
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[22:54] <mkopack> I've also thought about putting in a bunch of solar panels on the yard below those lines.. since I can't do anything else out back there....
[22:54] <c-oreills> Evening all!
[22:54] <thecrazyinventor> mjr: I know, but you might also want a keyboard and mouse, so... :)
[22:54] <mkopack> But I'm sure they'd have an ssue with that as well since they have the right of way
[22:54] <mkopack> Atlanta, GA
[22:55] <mkopack> I didn't get SQUAT! are you kidding me?
[22:55] <nemo> mkopack: math on solar panels just doesn't work for me, but I guess GA gets way more insolation
[22:55] <thecrazyinventor> mjr: oh darn, wait... I'm not paying attention...
[22:55] <nemo> mkopack: and maybe has more fed/state subsidies
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[22:55] <nemo> mkopack: wow. surprised they were allowed to do it w/o compensation
[22:55] <mkopack> I don't plan on being stuck in this house more than another 2-4 years though so doesn't make sense to spend the money on the panels
[22:56] <nemo> mkopack: maybe not enough people over there raise a fuss :)
[22:56] <mkopack> probably
[22:56] <IT_Sean> simple solution. Just don't let the buggers on your property to begin with.
[22:56] <mkopack> More worried about them raising the rates than giving me $$$ for cutting down a tree
[22:56] <nemo> mkopack: yeah. was going to take 10+ years to pay. maybe 15 - and that's not considering panels getting dusty, cells being damaged or wearing out
[22:57] <mkopack> considering the amount of space I was planning to cover, I could have had a small power plant :)
[22:57] <nemo> mkopack: wind was more cost effective if I didn't mind my neighbours and SO hating me
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[22:57] <mkopack> Enough ti power every house in the subdivision
[22:57] <nemo> mkopack: you are kidding. houses are 1kwh on average
[22:57] <Mike632T> What isn't there an entry in fstab for \ in the debian image..? Obviously it isn't needed but is it a good idea to leave it out..?
[22:57] <mkopack> yeah, I've thought about wind as well but we don't get it regularly enough here
[22:57] <nemo> mkopack: maybe worse in GA
[22:57] <nemo> what w/ AC and all
[22:57] <mkopack> Yeah, um, I'm talking about covering about 1/2 an acre :)
[22:57] <nemo> mkopack: hmmm
[22:57] <the_eye> is there an easy way to make the debian image boot with a running sshd? I just have received my new pi but don't seem to have a usb-keyboard in the whole house ..
[22:58] * nemo looks up insolation levels for atlanta, GA
[22:58] <nemo> mkopack: 'course, the equipment in your area probably would not be able to handle it
[22:58] <mkopack> probably
[22:58] <c-oreills> Anyone have any idea how to download .debs and their requirements to disk? Want to get wireless drivers etc. installed but haven't got an ethernet cable handy. =/
[22:59] <mkopack> Seems silly to me that GaPower has all these big power lines with nothing under them??? why the HECK not put solar panels all over the place under those?
[22:59] <IT_Sean> I am off
[22:59] <mkopack> They already have the land and the transmission capability right there
[22:59] <mkopack> Later IT_Sean
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[22:59] <chaoshax> mkopack, Do they actually own the land underneath?
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[22:59] <mkopack> No, but in most cases you're not allowed to build anything under their lines
[23:00] <nemo> mkopack: might not be cost effective for them either :)
[23:00] <Mike632T> the_eye: I haven't tried it but believe you can rename you can rename boot_enable_ssh.rc to boot.rc (from a forum posting I read earlier)
[23:00] <mkopack> So why not work together "I'll put in the panels under your lines, you give me a boost on rates that you buy the power off me" GP doesn't have to build more plant capacity, then
[23:00] <nemo> mkopack: mini self contained nuclear power - drop it in your town, handles the whole town, collect it every 30 years :)
[23:00] <nemo> no transmission losses to speak of
[23:01] <chaoshax> I don't think you can get a mini reactor :p
[23:01] <nemo> mkopack: welp. you are right about insolation for Atlanta
[23:01] <chaoshax> Must be some dense lead.
[23:01] <nemo> chaoshax: there are some companies w/ design proposals. intended for 3rd world. none in production though
[23:02] <nemo> mini is relative
[23:02] <mkopack> yeah, pebble bed designs, totally self contained, can't melt down
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[23:02] <chaoshax> nemo, Relative to solar panels though it won't be mini :P
[23:02] <mkopack> Well, what I saw wasn't much bigger than 1-2 shipping containers size
[23:02] <nemo> mkopack: anyway. looked up Atlanta's insolation. even in January you are getting 8000 kwh for half an acre. nice
[23:02] <nemo> chaoshax: yes they would
[23:02] <nemo> chaoshax: much smaller
[23:02] <nemo> chaoshax: also buried
[23:02] <chaoshax> Umm, interesting but the nimby guys will have a field day.
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[23:03] <nemo> chaoshax: yeah. shame.
[23:03] <mkopack> see what I mean? If we put panels under all those big power lines all over the place, we could probably provide a LOT of power to the area cheap
[23:03] <nemo> chaoshax: 3rd world probably wouldn't care
[23:03] <the_eye> Mike632T: thanks, will have a look
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[23:03] <nemo> mkopack: maintenance *is* a hassle, but not impossible
[23:03] <nemo> mkopack: especially if you put stuff on the ground to keep weeds down
[23:03] <nemo> mkopack: in your area, kudzu
[23:03] <chaoshax> Does that include the generator?
[23:04] <mkopack> UGh, Kudzu IS a weed!
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[23:04] <nemo> mkopack: right. but like, for really evil weeds that would cover panels quickly :)
[23:04] <chaoshax> nemo, Also won't it need cool water from somewhere for cooling?
[23:04] <nemo> chaoshax: no.
[23:04] <nemo> chaoshax: these aren't gigawatt plants
[23:04] <Mike632T> the_eye: See 'http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6887&p=89055&hilit=boot_enable_ssh#p89055'
[23:04] <mkopack> GP alread has to come out once every other year and cut down all the weeds under their lines anyhow. It's required under the easement
[23:05] <Mike632T> the_eye: towards the bottom
[23:05] <mkopack> so if there were panels covering a large porition of that land, they wouldn't have to mow anywhere near as much
[23:05] <chaoshax> nemo, Ahh k so the water is cooled by the ground presumably?
[23:05] <mkopack> chaoshax: some of the designs don't even require water cooling
[23:05] <nemo> chaoshax: depends entirely on how much power you are trying to generate at once
[23:06] <nemo> chaoshax: hell. "waste" heat in nuclear power isn't really waste. it just isn't cost effective to harvest the energy
[23:06] <nemo> although in some cold weather areas it is still used for things like greenhouses
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[23:06] <nemo> chaoshax: could keep cycling it through stirling engines I guess until closer to ambient
[23:07] <djazz> is it ok to let the raspi be on 24/7?
[23:07] <chaoshax> Yes.
[23:07] <chaoshax> It's not going to blow up is it?
[23:07] <the_eye> Mike632T: yep, cool, that worked
[23:07] <_av500_> give it 1h rest every 3days
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[23:07] <djazz> should i make something above it so it dont get dusty?
[23:07] <nemo> djazz: some people claim they've been maxing CPU for days at a time, overclocked
[23:08] <djazz> some case
[23:08] <chaoshax> Mine is 900Mhz really stable
[23:08] <_av500_> djazz: if it hurts your eyes
[23:08] <reider> personally Id ensure its covered, like in a box or something
[23:08] <nemo> BTW, for people doing that. does it make any sense to add a small aluminium heat sink above the CPU?
[23:08] <chaoshax> LEDs are pretty.
[23:08] * _av500_ has dev boards running for months uncovered
[23:08] <Mike632T> Excellent - glad to help
[23:08] <nemo> _av500_: maybe also if you are clumsy :)
[23:08] <_av500_> I am
[23:08] <nemo> _av500_: would suck to accidentally drop something on it :)
[23:09] <reider> yes, some have kids running about, dusty rooms etc, we don`t all have the same circumstances
[23:09] <_av500_> nemo: I got os many :)
[23:09] <_av500_> so*
[23:09] <chaoshax> Put it on a shelf with a wifi bridge.
[23:09] <nemo> so. for continuous operation. would a heat sink help at all? the CPU did get rather warm to the touch when I was compiling yesterday
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[23:10] <chaoshax> nemo, Not particularly that's like 40C not enough to worry about.
[23:10] <nemo> 'k
[23:10] <chaoshax> I think they shutdown when too hot.
[23:10] <djazz> i got ssh and vnc working, leaving it connected to the router ^^
[23:10] <Mike632T> Read earlier that a heat sink wouldn't actually be much use - chipe is a sandwich with RAM on top of CPU to getting heat out of the CPU isn't as easy
[23:10] <thecrazyinventor> you should only worry about the temperature when the thing really becomes too hot to touch
[23:11] <nemo> ok. I just thought that perhaps efficiency might improve if temperatures were kept a bit lower
[23:11] <thecrazyinventor> well, both chips are soldered together... that still conducts quite a lot of heat
[23:11] <thecrazyinventor> any heatsink is ofcourse better than none at all
[23:11] <nemo> but I don't know too much about how chip/ram is impacted by temperature
[23:11] <thecrazyinventor> but the chip is designed to run that hot, it can handle it just fine
[23:11] <nemo> like if it alters, oh, resistance or somesuch :)
[23:12] * nemo <- not an EE
[23:12] <Mike632T> Forum article seemed to know what it was on about and the strong inference was that it wasn't worth bothering
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[23:15] <Mike632T> Poster was Gert of Gertboard fame..
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[23:16] <Mike632T> ..?
[23:16] <the_eye> hmm umm. booted my new pi. ran apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade and during the upgrade ran into a kernel panic.. I presume this should not happen?
[23:16] <mkopack> not usually!
[23:16] <Mike632T> How much space do you have available..?
[23:16] <stuartm> Mike632T: well the sandwich bit is true, the ram package sits on top, but the ram itself will produce heat and conduct some of that from the CPU, so I'm not sure if a heatsink is completely useless
[23:17] <the_eye> Mike632T: haven't yet resized .. should I have done that before?
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> you can resize anytime if you need to.
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> the apt-get upgrade shouldn't crash it though.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> did you note any messages?
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[23:18] <stuartm> but whether it's worth bothering - probably not, the heat's not so great to begin with
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> I've been overclocking to 900MHz+500MHz memory - for a month now. it doesn't get hot.
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> so not worth the hassle of a heatsink.
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[23:20] <djazz> can i change the sound volume level on the raspi?
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[23:21] <gordonDrogon> not something I've tried yet - only run up sound once and that was playing doom!
[23:21] <the_eye> gordonDrogon: well my TV screen contains a stack-dump .. above that it says "Internal Error: Ooops: 5[#1]
[23:21] <djazz> if i want to use headphones i dont want to hurt my ears..
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> the_eye, doesn't mean a lot - reboot & try again :)
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> djazz, doesn't the application your using provide sound controls?
[23:22] <djazz> nope
[23:22] <stuartm> gordonDrogon: I take it you decided to ignore the accompanying leaflet which includes the following under 'Warnings' - "This product should not be overclocked" :)
[23:23] <Mike632T> the_eye: yes
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> stuartm, what warning?
[23:23] <stuartm> then again that's a pretty standard clause to protect against refunds from people who've damaged it by overclocking
[23:23] <djazz> cant install package "alsamixer": not found
[23:23] <reider59> someone reads them?
[23:23] <stuartm> gordonDrogon: supplied in the box with the Pi
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> stuartm, oh - wow. I've just read that. Hehe..
[23:25] <reider59> I was suprised mine even worked after the postman dropped it through the letter box. Not too safe in that envelope, bare box ans 2nd class post lol
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> well according to "the man" (Dom) overclocking is unlikely to do any damage - it's overvolting that can cause issues.
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> I'm not overvolting.
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> reider59, the Farnell one I got was in a box...
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> and the RS one in a big padded box..
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[23:27] <reider59> mine was in a thin cardboard box inside a simple envelope, not a jiffy or something with bubble wrap
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> reider59, rigt - that's farnell/e14 ...
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> but it survived, so it's ok :)
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[23:28] <reider59> it may be working but after that drop who knows later down the line. Not a safe way to package a bare board
[23:28] <zgreg> hmm. I just did a little experiment. I forced the SD clock to 40 MHz (via modification in the SD driver)
[23:28] <zgreg> that doubled SD performance for me
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, can you do it live?
[23:28] <Dagger2> talking of deliveries, is there any way to get an updated despatch estimate from RS? or is the "despatching in 5 weeks" from the initial order all I get until they actually ship it?
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[23:28] <zgreg> instead of measly 4.5 MB/s I get 8.5 MB/s
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, yep - that's all you get - well all I got...
[23:29] <mjr> zgreg, well that sounds more like it
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, that's a good result...
[23:29] <Dagger2> my housemate has his, but he's too busy bragging about it to let me play with it :(
[23:29] <zgreg> it's strange, though, with the default clock of 20 MHz performance shouldn't be THAT bad
[23:29] <mjr> it would be swell if Somebody would patch the driver so you'd be able to poke it into a particular gear. Not me, though, 'cause I'm laz... I mean I don't have the hardware ;)
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[23:29] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: I was hoping there might be some sort of account page I could sign into, but there's nothing on their RPi homepage
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, 20Mhz ... how many clocks per byte?
[23:30] <zgreg> 20 MHz nibble transfers are 10 MB/s bandwidth
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[23:30] <zgreg> and with the 40 MHz I can get 20 MB/s, in theory
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, it's a 4-bit interface? Hm. thought it was just 1!
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[23:30] <mjr> there's a 1-bit access mode to it IIRC, but the faster modes are all 4
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[23:31] <zgreg> btw, with a USB card-reader I get 17 MB/s, so the card isn't the bottleneck
[23:32] <zgreg> there's something off with the pi's drivers
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[23:32] <gordonDrogon> or a bug in the chip...
[23:32] <zgreg> well, yeah
[23:33] <zgreg> the base clock of the MMC interface seems to be 80 MHz, so it's probably not easily possible to get the 50 MHz allowed by the spec
[23:33] <zgreg> but even 40 MHz would be perfectly fine if they performed like 40 MHz
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if it was "good enough" for the set-top boxes without being overly concerned about the rest...
[23:34] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose it was too much to ask that no one else bid on the 25USD Lapdock I was looking at xD
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> right. sprite colision - anyone write sprite based stuff?
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[23:35] <Mike632T> Anyone know how to make the default apt option --no-install-recommends ..?
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> do you want to detect a colision at sprite plot time, or have a separate function that says did sprite X collide - returning the sprite Id of the first colision, or false ...
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> Mike632T, no, but if you find out, tell me ...
[23:36] <Mike632T> I know you have to mess with apt.conf but never got it to work
[23:36] <Dagger2> Mike632T/gordonDrogon: https://p.6core.net/p/ejvlkgbtv0lwh6u
[23:37] <Dagger2> I think --no-install-suggests is the default now, so you can probably drop that line. it wasn't when I first wrote that file...
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> Ohh, thanks.
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[23:38] <Mike632T> Thanks - will test later - guess that only works for versions of debian later then lenny..?
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> Mike632T, your running older Debians?
[23:39] <Mike632T> Oh yes... (just not on my Pi)
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> I still have a server on Woody ...
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> and a couple of Etch..
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> client won't upgrade them, so ...
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[23:40] <Dagger2> Mike632T: pass
[23:41] <Mike632T> If it work on squeeze then I'm good with that.
[23:41] <Mike632T> (Cant be any worse than my typing anyway)
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[23:44] <nid0> yay, dispatch note from RS for pi 2
[23:44] <Byan> ok, RPI officially listed on ebay
[23:45] <anish> what ? where is the stock coming from ?
[23:45] <nid0> ?
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[23:46] <neure> hi
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[23:46] <neure> if i want to connect to raspberry shell remotely, is ssh overkill?
[23:46] <neure> what should i use>
[23:46] <nid0> ssh
[23:46] <neure> not overkill?
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[23:46] <Mike632T> not really
[23:46] <nid0> why would it be overkill?
[23:47] <neure> all that encryption stuff
[23:47] <neure> which server?
[23:47] <nid0> ssh isnt any kind of odd or unusual way of doing remote linux shells, its just "the way"
[23:47] <neure> but it does consume some resources
[23:48] <Mike632T> openssh-server
[23:48] <nid0> top - 22:46:45 up 1 day, 11:09, 1 user, load average: 0.00
[23:48] <Mike632T> it has its advantages too - scp can be very handy
[23:48] <nid0> thats my pi, accessed via ssh, with apache/php/mysql and open-iscsi running
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[23:49] <Mike632T> iscsi target or initiator..? (Just curious)
[23:50] <nid0> initiator - vaguely working on getting an iscsi root going, it needs quite a lot of initrd changes though
[23:50] <nid0> iscsi to my nas via wifi is faster than the pi's local sd card
[23:51] <Mike632T> if you crack it that it worth writing up somewhere
[23:51] <Mike632T> s/it/is/
[23:51] <Holden> o/ webcam streaming works on rpi! http://imagebin.org/214772
[23:52] <nid0> yeah i've been keeping notes (getting the initiator working at all needed a kernel recompile as it was, iscsi at boot time is rather more complex though)
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[23:52] <neure> i suppose ethernet would be even better?
[23:53] <Mike632T> has anyone got gdm to install from debian repos..? I havn't had time to figure out what is going on but was hoping I wasn't the first to try.
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[23:53] <neure> i use pisces
[23:54] <Evie> I'm trying hexxeh
[23:54] <neure> anyone know aboutif wayland
[23:54] <neure> about wayland on raspberrypi?
[23:56] <Mike632T> Hosting an iscsi target on an external USB disk would be pretty cool!
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[23:57] <Mike632T> Tried getting zfs (native) working on my x86 fileserver but gave up eventually.
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[23:58] <nid0> running an iscsi target should be fine, once the kernel's got the right modules added for iscsi it should just be a case of installing tgt
[23:58] <nid0> i'll give that a crack shortly
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[23:59] <neure> does that mean i should get some nice usb ssd drive?)
[23:59] <Mike632T> native zfs required the hurd kernel - that just made my head hurt too much - one step too far for now...

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