#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-02

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:01] <Dagger2> Mike632T: eh... what? zfsonlinux.org's version doesn't require Hurd...
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[0:02] <Mike632T> only option on squeese was to run it in the user space (using fuse) I wanted to run zfs as a kernel module
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[0:03] <Dagger2> I'm doing it on squeeze with in-kernel code
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[0:04] <lennard> <-- openindiana
[0:04] <Dagger2> with Linux, I suppose I should add
[0:04] <Mike632T> Interesting I will check out zfsonlinux.org this weekend - what sort of throughput can you get?
[0:04] <haroldp> <-- zfs on freebsd (but not on rpi yet heh)
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[0:05] <Dagger2> I've seen 150 MB/s on my own hardware
[0:06] <Dagger2> and 4.5 GB/s on other people's: http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t361/crash0veride007/sl62_zfs.jpg
[0:06] <mkopack> Ok, time to go home! Later gang!
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[0:07] <koda> does anyone have any experience in connecting the rpi to a vga monitor?
[0:07] <Mike632T> Looks like I will have to see if I can make that work...
[0:07] <anish> you'll need a converter that costs more than the pi
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[0:08] <koda> anish: i know but i plan to use as an additional port for my hdmi-less monitor
[0:08] <haroldp> Dagger2: that's a lot of disks :)
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[0:08] <neure> koda, i bought dvi switch
[0:09] <Softnux> Should I get a 1A power supply or 1.2A, (My current 0.7A doesnt work with keyboard+mouse)
[0:09] <anish> it'll draw only what is needed
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[0:09] <neure> it works but i get hdmi signal only if i am not looking at raspberrypi during first couple of seconds during boot
[0:09] <Softnux> But is 1A enough?
[0:09] <anish> yeah
[0:10] <Mike632T> R-Pi can only source about 100mA for USB
[0:10] <Holden> I'd say get a 1.2A if you can (I have one and works ok with kb+mouse)
[0:10] <anish> even with two usb ports in use, the pi can't draw more than 1A
[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Softnux, I have a 700mA and a 1A, keyboard and mouse don't work with either.
[0:10] <anish> (or so I understand)
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[0:10] <Mike632T> wireless mice and kbds can be a problem
[0:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Softnux, how does it 'not work'?
[0:11] <anish> wont' they actually draw lesser power ?
[0:11] <anish> since you're only powering hte transmitter
[0:11] <Softnux> keyboard works at 0.7A, but sometimes keys wont work and sometimes they'll repeat
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[0:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Softnux, and does keyboard+ mouse + ethernet +X all work at the same time (even with the sticky keys)?
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[0:12] <Softnux> yes, but not usable, also, starting X will hang it after a couple of minutes
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[0:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's more than a power supply issue
[0:13] <Mike632T> Do you have a wireless or conventional mouse/keyboard?
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[0:13] <Softnux> conventional
[0:14] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/29 https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/9
[0:14] <reider59> I was lucky, 7 puters inc a Mac Mini here, loads of spare kit tto so I just grabbed a keyboard/mouse from the computer studio. Used a Rii at first and it wasn`t too bad but the touch pad cursor kept getting stuck on the Pi window occasionally. So I used an MS USB eyboard n Mouse and thats perfect. shame cos the Rii works everywhere else.
[0:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I think issue 9 is actually a large number of USB related issues rather than a single issue.
[0:14] <Softnux> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#R-Pi_does_not_respond_to_key_presses_.2F_Keyboard_randomly_repeats_key_presses
[0:16] <Mike632T> OK - I had the a similar problem when I tried using a class 6 SD card (SanDisk), mouse kept freezing when running LXDE - I updated the firmware and kernel and problem was sorted, you could try that and see what happens..?
[0:16] <ShiftPlusOne> I mean to say that it's not 'JUST' a power issue, but there's more to it.
[0:16] <ShiftPlusOne> But yeah, a powered hub may solve that particular problem
[0:16] <Softnux> my keyboard apparently needs 350mA
[0:17] <ShiftPlusOne> oh
[0:17] <ShiftPlusOne> then yeah, you'll have to get a hub or a simpler keyboard
[0:18] <Softnux> Microsoft keyboard ofc :P
[0:18] <GabrialDestruir> Just go with a 20 dollar Wireless Keyboard/mouse combo
[0:18] <plugwash> or a decent PSU, some wire cutters a soldering iron and some heatshrink
[0:18] <plugwash> no need for a hub
[0:18] <GabrialDestruir> Logitech ones work great for Pi
[0:19] <Kewlj1313> Anyone know what temperature the RPi can get up to?
[0:19] <GabrialDestruir> Supposedly Some Pi's have gotten up to 40C
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[0:20] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd say way higher than 40C
[0:21] <Mike632T> Can't remember where I read it but believe they should not get hotter than 50C
[0:21] <ShiftPlusOne> the usb chip gets too hot to hold your finger against
[0:21] <Mike632T> That is still an 'ow' if you touch it for too long...
[0:21] <GabrialDestruir> It's hard to tell with the lack of sensors.
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[0:22] <GabrialDestruir> But I remember some people saying they got temp readings from contact thmometers and the such of like 40C
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[0:23] <reider59> reider59 has changed nick to IFried NEggOnMyChipThenAddedSausageNMushroomsWithFriedBread
[0:25] <Mike632T> reider59: sounds like a square meal
[0:25] <reider59> no, thats an OXO lol
[0:25] <Mike632T> sorry - couldn't resist
[0:25] <reider59> neither could I lol
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[0:28] <MyPiGetsSoHotTha> :p
[0:28] <MyPiGetsSoHotTha> damn xD
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[0:29] <GabrialDestruir> there xD
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[0:40] <ReggieUK> hi all
[0:40] <ReggieUK> anything interesting happen today?
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[0:42] <MaynardWaters> TERM=xterm-color irssi
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[0:53] <teddyb> hey there, i tried adding a new user debian on the rpi but ssh doesnt seem to really work for that user, i cant finish directory names with tab, nor can i go through previous commands by pressing up, i just get ^[[A
[0:54] <teddyb> any ideas what i did wrong?
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[0:57] <Foxhoundz> ReggieUK: My Pi is finally shipped. That's something!
[0:57] <Evie> ay
[0:57] <Evie> Yay
[0:58] <ReggieUK> oh nice :)
[0:58] <oldtopman> My pi arrived :3
[0:58] <reider59> put a cussion under your letterbox...... ;-)
[0:58] <oldtopman> And the auction begins in just a few hours :D
[0:59] <ReggieUK> I just paid ??7 for a micro-usb cable
[0:59] <teddyb> shame on you oldtopman
[0:59] <ekselkiu> oldtopman: Why are you...?
[0:59] <oldtopman> Because I have so dang many of them >.>
[0:59] <oldtopman> RS said that I wasn't going to get one.
[1:00] <ReggieUK> it's his pi, he's not contractually obligated to keep it for any length of time
[1:00] <oldtopman> Newark said that mine would show up in august.
[1:00] <oldtopman> Seriously, I only would have bought one if I knew how to do it :l
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[1:02] <teddyb> anyone able to give me a hand with ^^^ no idea what i did wrong and what to look up online
[1:02] <plugwash> teddyb, check what the new user's login shell is set to in /etc/passwd
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[1:05] <teddyb> ahh cheers mate!
[1:05] <teddyb> must set that to bash! :D
[1:06] <teddyb> that did it, thanks again
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[1:10] <Ben64> got my pi
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[1:14] <Quantas> hello
[1:15] <plugwash> hi
[1:15] <Quantas> so, what happens if I image my SD card with fedora remix and I just get a red light on that raspi?
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> did the same sdcard work with another distro?
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> try taking the sdcard out and back in, making sure the contact is good as well
[1:17] <nid0> red light = duff sd card, not enough power, or improperly written image
[1:17] <nid0> generally
[1:17] <Quantas> kk
[1:18] <Quantas> ill try writing it again, it sorta worked with ubuntu, but kept throwing -110 sd card errors
[1:18] <ShiftPlusOne> ubuntu?
[1:18] <Quantas> sorry
[1:18] <Quantas> debian
[1:18] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[1:18] <ShiftPlusOne> blasphemy
[1:18] <Quantas> lol
[1:18] <Quantas> the raspberrypi.org site recommends the debian distro...
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> for beginners, yes. And no, I just meant that smearing the good name of debian by calling it ubuntu is blasphemy.
[1:19] <Quantas> ah
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[1:20] <Foxhoundz> Debian will follow in Ubuntu's path
[1:20] <Foxhoundz> as they adopt the next generation of GNOME
[1:20] <ReggieUK> I tried the latest of both
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[1:21] <ReggieUK> they killed the experience in one move
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[1:21] <IT_Sean> ?
[1:21] <ShiftPlusOne> what did debian do?
[1:21] <ReggieUK> they removed the ability to remember folders/apps. when you log off/shut down
[1:21] <ReggieUK> and then there was something retarded about the 'desktop'
[1:22] <ReggieUK> like i had to hunt to find out how to put a shortcut on the desktop
[1:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ah that sort of stuff, sure
[1:22] <ReggieUK> if you can't put stuff on it, it's not a desktop, it's a background
[1:23] <ReggieUK> then there was the whole 'tabletising' of the desktop environment
[1:23] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[1:23] <ReggieUK> unlike the general public, I do not need 3inch square icons to know which one to click
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[1:24] <ReggieUK> funny thing is, they're all for giving the user 'a great user experience' but don't mind what they tread on to give everyone the 'next big thing'
[1:24] <ReggieUK> which actually turns out to be puny and lifeless
[1:25] <ShiftPlusOne> not familiar with debian doing that sort of thing though
[1:25] <ShiftPlusOne> (I'll admit I haven't used it in years)
[1:25] <ReggieUK> I had not really used it much
[1:26] <ReggieUK> got frowned at for using ubuntu (my ethos is, I don't care what flavour of OS it is, just whether it does the job)
[1:26] <ReggieUK> so I thought I'd get with the program, having been told how wonderful it is
[1:26] * IT_Sean uses Ubuntu
[1:26] <ReggieUK> and try it out
[1:26] <ReggieUK> it was poor imho
[1:27] <ReggieUK> then again, so was teh lastest ununtu
[1:27] <ShiftPlusOne> for me, it's gentoo or arch all the way =D since you decide exactly what you want or don't want
[1:27] <ReggieUK> latest*
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[1:27] <ShiftPlusOne> if you have the time though
[1:27] <ReggieUK> well, I'm think that I might go that way
[1:27] <IT_Sean> I got rid of that Unity rubbish, and went back to ye olde Gnome, but, my ThinkPad runs Ubuntu 12.04
[1:27] <ReggieUK> I've always been impressed with gentoo
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[1:27] <ReggieUK> I don't know enough (or care enough) about linux to achieve that in a timely manner
[1:27] <ReggieUK> I just wanted to code
[1:28] <ReggieUK> I didn't want to spend 3 days configuring so I could start coding
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[1:29] <ShiftPlusOne> clearly you're after a mac
[1:29] <dmsuse> ReggieUK: you dont need to configure anything to code on gentoo
[1:30] <ShiftPlusOne> sure you do... you have to get your make.conf right and then install everything you want... I'd consider that configuration.
[1:30] <ReggieUK> I wasn't commenting about configuring gentoo
[1:30] <dmsuse> ShiftPlusOne: umm no you dont
[1:30] <dmsuse> it already comes with a basic setup.. which includes a compiler and nano
[1:30] <dmsuse> what more do you need
[1:31] <ShiftPlusOne> >_<
[1:31] <ReggieUK> I was commenting on having ot mess around with debian/ubuntu to get the OS into shape BEFORE I even start to get all the coding tools installed
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[1:35] <Wolfram74> it's here it's here it's here it's here it's here it's here
[1:36] <Quantas> w00t, second remiage of fedora worked
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[1:51] <teddyb> :D todays my lucky day, my wifi adapter works :D
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[1:53] <IT_Sean> http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/01/raspberry-pi-impressions-the-35-linux-computer-and-tinker-toy/
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[1:58] <maltloaf> can anyone recommend a usb wifi adaptor that's easy to set up
[1:59] <haroldp> w00h, got my sd card in the mail.
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[2:01] <teddyb> meatloaf, mine was easy, http://www.amazon.co.uk/TurboTenna-NextG-USB-Yagi-Antenna-2200mW/dp/B003X8DOBS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1338595138&sr=8-1 but i doubt you'll be going for that
[2:01] <teddyb> *maltloaf
[2:01] <IT_Sean> That's over ??60!
[2:01] <haroldp> that looks like a Death Ray
[2:01] <maltloaf> they're very directional
[2:02] <Wolfram74> goodness
[2:02] <maltloaf> i know about yagi antennas from my ham radio days
[2:02] <teddyb> i took off the antenna part
[2:02] <maltloaf> it'll still have a generic chipset in i'd imagine
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[2:03] <ShiftPlusOne> "This handy antenna delivers a remarkable 2200mW horse power"
[2:03] <ShiftPlusOne> ..."milliwatt horse power"
[2:03] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[2:04] <IT_Sean> o_O
[2:04] <maltloaf> at the other end of the scale, i'd like this one if it works with the pi ... http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003MTTJOY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
[2:04] <ebswift> maltloaf, i went for one of these because it's on the openelec compatibility list... not certain it will work with rpi, but 20 bucks delivered for a dual band stick http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/230731225897?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_500wt_1180
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[2:05] <maltloaf> thanks
[2:05] <ShiftPlusOne> also depends on what you mean by easy
[2:06] <maltloaf> around ??8 on ebay uk for that netgear
[2:06] <ebswift> yeah, i got shipped from uk to aus and $20 total
[2:06] <maltloaf> well one that actually works. I can usually get things working
[2:06] <ebswift> its driver is on the debian squeeze list
[2:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Then whatever is supported by linux or provides linux drivers will work. Sometimes you have to compile your own module, but that's about as difficult as it gets.
[2:07] <maltloaf> my realtek based belkin one makes all the right noises but never sees any access points
[2:07] <maltloaf> i'm worried that some need too much current from the pi's usb
[2:07] <ShiftPlusOne> maltloaf, what ar eyou using to scan for access points? iwlist or something like wicd?
[2:07] <maltloaf> iwlist
[2:08] <maltloaf> drivers installed
[2:08] <ebswift> well i'm going to be receiving mine hopefully in a few days, so i'll be sure to report the results then
[2:08] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, no idea then
[2:08] <maltloaf> it appears fine in dmesg
[2:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd agree with your that power is the likely problem.
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[2:09] <maltloaf> that's why i'm trying to find something that other people have working but in the uk
[2:09] <maltloaf> that netgear will do nicely i think
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[2:09] <teddyb> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter
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[2:09] <ebswift> cheapest dual band you can possibly get, so *if* it works, it should be great
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[2:09] <teddyb> works ^
[2:11] <maltloaf> that's great
[2:11] <maltloaf> just ordered one for ??7 shipped
[2:11] <maltloaf> thank you
[2:12] <ebswift> which one did you order maltloaf, the virgin one or teddyb's suggestion? i'll be interested how the setup goes
[2:13] <maltloaf> wnda3200 which i think *is* the virgin meda one
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[2:14] <ebswift> yeah, i think all of those coming out of the uk are the virgin ones
[2:14] <nid0> maltloaf fwiw that edimax you linked can be made to work with the minimum of effort
[2:14] <nid0> i've got a different branded one with the same internals that works fine
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[2:15] <Ben64> so i got my pi today, what is the best way to get it playing 1080p videos?
[2:15] <maltloaf> it's a realtek isn't it ?
[2:15] <nid0> yeah
[2:15] <nid0> http://www.scan.co.uk/products/micronext-wd552b-pico-mini-usb-20-150mbps-ieee-80211-b-g-n-24-ghz-wireless-adaptor
[2:15] <nid0> is mine
[2:15] <Ben64> mplayer crashes trying to play an ogg
[2:16] <nid0> its a realtek 8192, there's a compiled kernel module + guide to install it floating around
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[2:19] <maltloaf> this one's also a realtek judging by the driver download http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-802-11n-Mini-Nano-WIFI-LAN-USB-Dongle-150Mbps-Wireless-Network-Adapter-/390420390335?pt=UK_Computing_USB_Wi_Fi_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item5ae6de61bf#ht_3000wt_1219
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[2:21] <Mrkva> hey again
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[2:24] <nid0> well, to answer an earlier question, the pi works just fine as an iscsi target as well as initiator
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[2:47] <Ben64> can the pi do 5.1 over hdmi?
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[2:47] <Ben64> i'm only getting stereo
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[3:15] <jaxdahl2> are there smaller SD cards that barely stick out past the edge? my sdhc card adapter sticks out as far as it sticks in
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[3:17] <nid0> no
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[3:24] <ReggieUK> only way to get something smaller in that sd slot would be to make a breakout with a microSD socket on it
[3:25] <IT_Sean> can't use an adapter?
[3:25] <IT_Sean> microSD - SD adapter, no?
[3:25] <hamitron> hope so, I just bought that
[3:25] <ReggieUK> he is
[3:25] <nid0> a microsd to sd adaptor will be sd size
[3:25] <ReggieUK> but he doesn't want the SD card to stick out of the side
[3:25] <plugwash> you could but the microSD adaptors i've seen are SD card sized
[3:26] <IT_Sean> I realise i'm coming in in the middle of this, but, what are you trying ot acomplish?
[3:26] <ReggieUK> like I said, the only way to get something smaller into that slot is to make a breakout with a microSD socket on it
[3:26] <nid0> he wants something smaller than an sd card to stick out of the side of the pi
[3:26] <IT_Sean> ooooh
[3:27] <IT_Sean> SOME (not all, but SOME) SD cards are mostly empty case. Find one of those, and cut it down so it doesn't stick out.
[3:27] <hamitron> what about using RS-MMC?
[3:28] <ReggieUK> oooooh
[3:28] <ReggieUK> I'd forgotten about those
[3:29] <plugwash> can you get them in decent sizes at a reasonable price?
[3:29] <ReggieUK> looking at the SD card in the pi and offering up a microSD socket, you could in theory make a board that won't leave anything poking out of the side of the pi at all, if you mount the microSD socket sideways
[3:29] <ReggieUK> do they even make them anymore?
[3:29] <hamitron> dunno, I have some I use with my ngage
[3:30] <nid0> depending on your setup size shouldnt matter, if you want big space go for a network rootfs
[3:30] <ReggieUK> well, I'll be, 2gb for ??8.99
[3:30] <hamitron> they annoy me in my ngage qd
[3:30] <hamitron> sometimes the extension falls off
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[3:31] <hamitron> (that converts them to MMC)
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[3:33] <Decepshun> hi
[3:33] <dmsuse> hewwow
[3:34] <Decepshun> I have a question about my raspi
[3:34] <dmsuse> cool
[3:34] <plugwash> well ask it then
[3:34] <Decepshun> it downloads super slow
[3:34] <dmsuse> downloads what?
[3:34] <nid0> define both "downloads" and "super slow"
[3:34] <Decepshun> like...I am apt-get updating right now...and I get like 239 b/s
[3:35] <macondo_> hi all... i finaly got my pi :) and am looking for suggestions of os to use on it
[3:35] <dmsuse> are you using wifi?
[3:35] <jaxdahl2> http://raspberrypi.org/downloads
[3:35] <Decepshun> nop...I am wired into a gigabit switch
[3:36] <dmsuse> Decepshun: maybe its a slow mirror
[3:36] <dmsuse> try wget http://mobsterdeath.com/43.avi
[3:36] <dmsuse> see how fast it downloads
[3:36] <macondo_> yep i've d/l debian and booted up fine... just looking for ideas and software sugestions
[3:37] <arfonzo> vim
[3:37] <dmsuse> debian is the os :P
[3:37] <macondo_> lol
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[3:39] <Decepshun> also...is there a way to get my external storage seen by the raspi? my google-fu is weak on something like thi
[3:39] <dmsuse> fdisk -ls
[3:39] <nid0> yep. if its a usb disk, plug it in
[3:39] <Decepshun> it's a drobo fs
[3:39] <nid0> nfs also works fine, as does iscsi with a few extra kernel modules
[3:39] <Decepshun> so it's ethernet
[3:39] <nid0> cifs is also working out of the box
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[3:40] <IT_Sean> VBF?}';[P=-IOPL[]\
[3:41] <IT_Sean> sorry... sat on my wireless keyboard a bit
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[3:41] <Decepshun> I didn't recognize that command line
[3:41] <Decepshun> :P
[3:42] <Ben64> omxplayer works surprisingly well
[3:42] <Decepshun> I am currently installing XBMC...btu it's so slow
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[3:42] <Decepshun> installing that is
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[3:42] <Decepshun> must be a slow mirror
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[3:43] <nid0> its also slow to run
[3:43] <macondo_> how is xbmc on the raspi? i saw the vid that came ot a few months ago... but how is it handling recently?
[3:44] <Decepshun> I will be trying it out in a bit
[3:44] <Decepshun> whenever it finishes downloainf
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[3:44] <Decepshun> downloading*
[3:44] <dmsuse> it would be much better to have a graphical interface to omxplayer maybe a php page (which i plan to make) to control and play media... or maybe even physical buttons connected the gpio for volume and skip to next video button :P
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[3:47] <jaxdahl2> Decepshun, i'm sure it's valid perl
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[3:47] <IT_Sean> are you referring to my last line?
[3:47] <IT_Sean> It might be Pearl, but, only by accident. I assure you i just rolled onto my keyboard.
[3:48] <jaxdahl2> it's easy to write valid perl by mashing the keyboard
[3:48] <macondo_> Decepshun: i hope to it works out ...
[3:48] <macondo_> anyway ppl... got to bounce
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[3:48] <jaxdahl2> need to figure out how to change the apt-get mirror, ftp.uk.debian.org is being slow
[3:48] <Decepshun> ccc jaxdahl
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[3:48] <Decepshun> it's crawling for me too
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[3:50] <Decepshun> I need to find a closer US mirror
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[3:50] <jaxdahl2> ftp.us.debian.org
[3:50] <Decepshun> that simple ey?
[3:50] <IT_Sean> or let the download run overnight, while you are asleep
[3:50] <jaxdahl2> http://www.debian.org/mirror/list for more specific ones under secondary
[3:50] <Decepshun> I will have to check the source.list
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[3:52] <jaxdahl2> yeah, edit /etc/apt/sources.list then run apt-get update
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[3:54] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently just rolling back my system didn't fix my virus problem -.- Persistent little piece of crap.
[3:54] <Ben64> stop using windows :D
[3:54] <IT_Sean> nuke it
[3:54] * IT_Sean hands GabrialDestruir a linux install CD
[3:55] <Decepshun> I don't get how people destroy windows...it destroys itself just fine ;)
[3:55] <IT_Sean> bloody windows.
[3:55] <GabrialDestruir> Linux isn't good for gaming xD
[3:55] <GabrialDestruir> Or well
[3:55] <Ben64> yes it is
[3:55] <GabrialDestruir> not with my video card anyways
[3:55] <IT_Sean> I've seen people destroy windows in some pretty epic ways
[3:56] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose it could work better in Arch or Fedora or something, but Ubuntu hates my video card.
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[3:56] <Ben64> what card
[3:57] <GabrialDestruir> ATI Radeon 4500 series.
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[3:57] <jaxdahl2> if i'm running headless with squeeze, can i start up X and remote into it from my windows computer?
[3:57] <Ben64> GabrialDestruir: i've heard good things about ati on linux recently
[3:58] <GabrialDestruir> You can rig VNC to load X for that VNC session
[3:58] <Ben64> stupid network cable clippy things
[3:58] <dmsuse> jaxdahl2: why would you want to?
[3:58] <Ben64> now i have to crimp a new end
[3:59] <jaxdahl2> dmsuse, don't have HDMI monitor handy right now
[3:59] <dmsuse> jaxdahl2: i mean, why would you want X?
[3:59] <nid0> jaxdahl2, a number of ways to do that, installing vncserver is a pretty straightforward one
[3:59] <Ben64> why would you want vnc?
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[3:59] <Ben64> so much slower than ssh
[4:00] <nid0> he wanted to start x which suggests he wants a gui, which ssh doesnt give him.
[4:00] <Ben64> gui for what
[4:00] <jaxdahl2> running a gui application
[4:00] <nid0> I dunno, ask him. vnc gives him one though, ssh doesnt
[4:00] <Ben64> browsing the internets? cause you could do that on the computer you're vnc'ing from
[4:00] <jaxdahl2> nah some java application
[4:00] <SpeedEvil> You can run a application on the Pi, forwarding the display to your computer
[4:00] <dmsuse> you can have an X session over ssh, what are you talkinga bout...
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> 613 minutes to scan my whole computer
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> ridiculous .-.
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[4:04] <Ben64> install linux
[4:04] <Ben64> :D
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[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> Tempting, but I like the usually easy to use/install of Windows for video games.
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[4:06] <GabrialDestruir> I wish Virtual Machines handled graphic cards better.
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[4:07] <Ben64> vmware works great
[4:08] <GabrialDestruir> For gaming? Cause they usually don't.
[4:08] <tzarc> I have a blade server
[4:08] <tzarc> and by blades I mean hard drive racks
[4:08] <tzarc> but it runs esxi5!
[4:09] <Ben64> yeah i've played games on vmware
[4:09] <Ben64> but mostly i use wine
[4:09] <tzarc> same
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[4:10] <GabrialDestruir> I might have to try out some linux distro or another... I imagine to overall resources to just run linux itself would be significantly less than windows... though I wonder if there's any compatible overclocking software....
[4:10] <GabrialDestruir> I might just have to look into this. xD
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[4:11] <Ben64> steam is coming for linux at some point too
[4:11] <Ben64> things are looking up
[4:11] <tzarc> I've only got the one windows machine left now, everything else is a unix derivative
[4:11] <GabrialDestruir> True, but not soon enough :p
[4:11] <Ben64> i've been waiting
[4:11] <GabrialDestruir> and once they do, it'll still be ages before a lot of games get ported that aren't Valve games.
[4:12] <Ben64> and the humble bundles show that linux users do want games, and will pay for them
[4:12] <GabrialDestruir> Yep
[4:12] <Ben64> i always buy it
[4:12] <GabrialDestruir> I only learned about it yesterday :(
[4:12] <GabrialDestruir> I missed so many great bundles.
[4:12] <Ben64> this bundle is more expensive than older ones
[4:12] <Ben64> usually windows averaged around $5, and linux around $9
[4:13] <Ben64> this time it is $7.75 and $12.07
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[4:14] <GabrialDestruir> I only got one game I didn't really have, but considering I spent like 7.20 or something and the game on steam was 7.99 I'd say it was a good deal. Well that and the fact they're all DRM free and soundtracks... so I suppose that's a bonus.
[4:14] <Ben64> charity too :)
[4:14] <GabrialDestruir> Yeup
[4:14] <GabrialDestruir> Yup*
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[4:17] <GabrialDestruir> I don't imagine switching to linux would make me any more generous though... I'm likely to be one of those people who pay just above average. .-.
[4:17] <Ben64> i do it for the future
[4:18] <Ben64> i've used linux almost exclusively for the past 10 years
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[4:20] <GabrialDestruir> I used linux on my netbook for a year until I got it replaced. I avoided it for my ldesktop cause the video card wouldn't work fully without the drivers, and with the drivers it didn't work at all.
[4:22] <Ben64> i'm guessing i'm not the first one to attempt a r-pi box case?
[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> Probably not.
[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> Oh did you get a look at my lego case?
[4:22] <Ben64> didn't see a link
[4:23] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.thoughtsofthemasses.com/gabrialdestruir/2012/05/30/raspberry-pi-meets-lego-bricks/
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[4:23] <Ben64> nice
[4:27] <GabrialDestruir> Okay these trojans are getting annoying -.-
[4:29] <Ben64> grab yourself a copy of the geek squad MRI
[4:29] <Ben64> automated virus removal :)
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[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> What just grabbed one of these cracked versions of it? o.O
[4:32] <GabrialDestruir> So much for Vipre being a good anti-virus -sighs-
[4:32] <Ben64> if you can find a cracked one
[4:32] <Ben64> best buy doesn't like those floating around
[4:35] <GabrialDestruir> Well there's a few sites that appear to have them..... I need a pop under blocker....
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[4:36] <Ben64> adblockplus
[4:38] <Ben64> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[4:38] <Ben64> rootfs 15G 1.3G 13G 10% /
[4:39] <D34TH> sudo apt-get install localepurge
[4:39] <D34TH> localepurge
[4:39] <Ben64> ?
[4:39] <D34TH> do eet
[4:39] <Ben64> why for
[4:39] <jaxdahl2> yay, got x11 forwarding going and got that one java app running
[4:40] <jaxdahl2> programmer for my digilent nexys3 board
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[4:43] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose for things like this the latest and greatest MRI isn't necessarily the best eh? xD
[4:43] <Wolfram74> so is anybody doing any projects with the I/O pins yet?
[4:43] <Wolfram74> how do those even work?
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[4:44] <SStrife> GabrialDestruir: malware removal?
[4:44] <GabrialDestruir> Eh. Yea.
[4:44] <jaxdahl2> look up gpio
[4:44] <SStrife> do you have MalWareBytes ?
[4:44] <GabrialDestruir> But the last version of MRI is uncracked, or the latest one i'm looking at.
[4:44] <SStrife> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/malwarebytes-anti-malware/?1
[4:45] <Ben64> the mri downloads new definitions
[4:45] <SStrife> there's a payware upgrade, but the base free version is super adequate
[4:45] <Ben64> so it doesn't really matter which version
[4:46] <SStrife> what's MRI?
[4:46] <Wolfram74> at what level are GPIO's accessed? like, some part of the operating system?
[4:46] <GabrialDestruir> I'll try Malwarebytes too... because while my AV can apparently detect and block supposed trojans.
[4:46] <GabrialDestruir> It can't stop my firewall from being compromised.
[4:46] <SStrife> malwarebytes is better at cleaning up after the fact
[4:47] <Ben64> SStrife: the disc they use at bestbuy/geek squad
[4:47] <SStrife> then there's good old hijackthis
[4:47] <SStrife> ah ok
[4:47] <Ben64> it lets people with no knowledge of computers remove viruses
[4:47] <Ben64> because they don't hire techs there
[4:47] <SStrife> neat
[4:47] <Ben64> kinda
[4:47] <SStrife> that's a good idea
[4:47] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[4:47] <GabrialDestruir> That's a horrible idea!
[4:47] <Ben64> i got told i wasn't a good enough salesman to be on the geek squad
[4:47] <Ben64> at the time i was working in sales
[4:47] <Ben64> :|
[4:47] <SStrife> it has horrible implications, but it's a decent idea
[4:48] <GabrialDestruir> "Here, take this software, if they have virus issues... run it"
[4:48] <SStrife> filter out the basic calls
[4:48] <GabrialDestruir> "You don't need to know anything else about computers but how to run this"
[4:48] <Ben64> it can break systems worse if you don't know what you're doing
[4:48] <Ben64> by default i think it removes all system restore points
[4:48] <SStrife> anywho, malwarebytes+hijackthis in safe mode is pretty good at cleaning up after an infection
[4:48] <SStrife> avira is a good resident scanner
[4:48] <SStrife> and it's free
[4:48] <Ben64> hijackthis requires knowledge though :P
[4:49] <SStrife> yeah, it's not for the end user
[4:49] <Ben64> 27.6MB to install vim on the pi?
[4:49] <gurgalof> i got my replacement polyfuses yesterday...
[4:50] <GabrialDestruir> Stupid Vipre -.-
[4:50] <GabrialDestruir> It detected a virus or w/e that tried to modify another file.... and supposedly stopped it from opening.
[4:50] <SpeedEvil> gurgalof: why?
[4:50] <GabrialDestruir> But I point it at the directy of the supposed virus and nothing.
[4:50] <gurgalof> SpeedEvil, 140mA is too little
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[5:00] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose after the fact virus scan would work better in safe mode .-.
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[5:02] <SStrife> that should be a given :)
[5:02] <GabrialDestruir> I'm begining to think Vipre was a waste of money .-.
[5:04] <GabrialDestruir> Anywho bbl, gonna go run vipre and malwarebytes and try and get my firewall running again.
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[5:06] <gurgalof> windows is a waste of money...
[5:09] <SStrife> ok
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[5:16] <Gabrial|Web> I really need to set Spybot and Malware to start scanning weekly .-.
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[5:21] <neofutur> Gabrial|Web: you have viruses on your raspberry pi or its pure offtopic ?
[5:21] <Gabrial|Web> Pure off topic
[5:21] <Gabrial|Web> If I had viruses on my Pi we'd have a bigger issue xD
[5:21] <neofutur> you should try on ##windows
[5:21] <DaQatz> I'll get right on that
[5:21] <DaQatz> ;)
[5:22] <neofutur> not sure people here are interested in your windows problems :p
[5:22] * neofutur thinking on /ignore
[5:22] <Gabrial|Web> I suppose not, but this room tends to be generally off topic when it's not on topic anyways.
[5:22] <Gabrial|Web> Then /ignore, don't just talk about it, just do it.
[5:23] <SStrife> diddums.
[5:23] <SStrife> Gabrial|Web: good luck getting it sorted
[5:23] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course, you can talk about whatever the hell you want, as long as you're not getting in the way of someone asking for pi-related help.
[5:24] <neofutur> ok so offtopic is welcome here, good to know
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[5:25] <SStrife> "as long as you're not getting in the way of someone asking for pi-related help."
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[5:26] <Gabrial|Web> Indeed.
[5:26] <Gabrial|Web> Pi first, chit chat later. lol
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[5:29] <Wolfram74> I was kind of curious about the GPIO ports on the Pi, but we kind of left that subject
[5:31] <SStrife> my guess is that nobody is online who knows the answer to your question :)
[5:31] <SStrife> there's some info here http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[5:31] <Gabrial|Web> There's wiki pages about the GPIO ports. http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[5:31] <SStrife> timing :D
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[5:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I would've pasted the link now
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[5:33] <SStrife> there are some C examples there
[5:34] <Wolfram74> thanks, i'll browse
[5:35] <Byan> lol
[5:35] <Byan> so I put my RPI up for $125 on ebay
[5:35] <Byan> already got a bid
[5:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Tlooks like Gabrial|Web was a jerk that drowned out a legitimate question after all. D=
[5:35] <Byan> figuring if it doesn't sell for more than that I'll keeping it
[5:35] <Gabrial|Web> Apparently so >.< Sorry!1
[5:36] <Wolfram74> it is ok, i'm not robust enough to have cogent questions
[5:36] <SStrife> i wish more people would put their content in the akamai farm
[5:36] <Wolfram74> akamai farm?
[5:37] <SStrife> i can max out my connection with one download thread from them, all the time
[5:37] <SStrife> it's great
[5:37] <SStrife> akamai is a content delivery service
[5:37] <SStrife> they have content servers all over the world,
[5:38] <SStrife> if you want a file hosted, you give it to them, and they worry about making it available
[5:38] <SStrife> then when someone clicks a link, it automatically routes the request to the nearest server
[5:38] <SStrife> or at least the nearest server that has the content
[5:38] <SStrife> microsoft and apple both use it
[5:38] <Gabrial|Web> So you automatically get the fastest download?
[5:38] <SStrife> yeah
[5:39] <SStrife> and it does it at the DNS level,
[5:39] <SStrife> so it's transparent to basically everything
[5:40] <neofutur> Wolfram74: I gathered the most interesting links on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t3-GPIO-display%2C-some-links.html
[5:40] <neofutur> the element14 link is good
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[5:49] <mukti> Is there any way to connect to my pi by directly connecting another computer to it, and without SSH setup? I'm assuming no, but I just was making sure.
[5:50] <SStrife> yes
[5:50] <SStrife> you can use the UART pins
[5:50] <SStrife> but you may need some circuitry to change the voltage levels to something your computer's serial port will accept
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[5:51] <SStrife> then you can use something like PuTTY or Hyperterminal to connect
[5:51] <mukti> Are the UART pins the ones next to the component video?
[5:51] <SStrife> two of those pins, yes
[5:51] <Wolfram74> has anybody commented on the questionable color scheme of dark red text on black background?
[5:52] <SStrife> Wolfram74, that's not the official RPi forum
[5:52] <Wolfram74> ok
[5:52] <neofutur> Wolfram74: not yet, i built the forum yesterday to gather my links, still working on the rpi theme
[5:52] <SStrife> it's neofutur's own site
[5:52] <neofutur> Wolfram74: but you cna change the theme in user profile
[5:52] <Wolfram74> well for being a day old it's quite lovely
[5:53] <neofutur> https://github.com/neofutur/MyBestBB/commit/cd993cc32653cae4c953438c3c9bab328c7169d3
[5:53] <neofutur> i ll make the red less dark, thanks for the feedback
[5:54] <SStrife> wouldn't a wiki be better for "gathering links"?
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[5:55] <neofutur> "gathering links" for now, and much more later
[5:56] <neofutur> this forum software have many features a wiki dont have
[5:56] <neofutur> and you cant edit your own post on the official forum
[5:58] <ShiftPlusOne> SStrife, yes it would be, and we have been over this with him.
[5:59] <ShiftPlusOne> mukti, serial works great for what you want to do.
[5:59] <Wolfram74> i wonder how hard it would be to make a rudimentary digital osciloscope using an R-Pi and a python script
[5:59] <SStrife> The circuit to change TTL to RS232 is pretty simple too http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2565
[6:00] <mukti> ShiftPlusOne: I'll have to learn more about electronics before I'll be able to do anything like that; but I definitely want to learn
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[6:01] <ShiftPlusOne> mukti, the simples way to do it is to buy an FTDI 3.3v USB-TTL cable
[6:01] <ShiftPlusOne> most are 5v, so you have to make sure it's 3.3v.
[6:01] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBTTLSerial.htm
[6:01] <ShiftPlusOne> you can find them on ebay
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[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> mukti, also search ebay for "PL2303HX" that's probably even better and cheaper.
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[6:08] <neofutur> Wolfram74: dark red fixed, thanks again for the feedback
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[6:18] <shirro> using usb networking to a usb otg on another arm board isn't too bad. I wonder what would be faster, a network file system over it or a usb storage driver?
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[6:30] <tsp> I just got a pi, and will hopefully be buying power supply/SD card tomorrow. How can I check if it's working without a monitor?
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[6:33] <ShiftPlusOne> tsp, and without an sd card and power supply?
[6:33] <McGooch> Yipee, my raspberry pi showed up today!
[6:33] <tsp> ShiftPlusOne: No, after I buy the card and power supply
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[6:33] <ShiftPlusOne> tsp, ah, ssh is a good option for you then
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[6:36] <tsp> I've read forum posts saying certain cards/power supplies/... don't work during my googling, but I'm hoping things will work. I read about test-mode in the config page at http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt . Will that play a built-in sound file on boot/is there any docs on it?
[6:36] <McGooch> Anyone else having issues where the resolution is wrong when you start x windows?
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[6:37] <McGooch> Do you get the red led coming one when you plug it in?
[6:38] <McGooch> I picked up a generic 5v 1000mA dc power connector and it worked just fine.
[6:39] <ShiftPlusOne> tsp, never tried it.
[6:39] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, did you set hdmi_mode and everything else to match your display?
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[6:40] <McGooch> ShiftPlusOne: Considering I don't know what you mean, no. I just plugged it into my monitor
[6:40] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[6:42] <McGooch> Awesome, thanks for the tip!
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[6:42] <ShiftPlusOne> nw
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[6:43] <Gabrial|Web> I can't get hdmi_mode or the framebuffers to work properly with my tv, if i want anything to show up properly i have to use those overscan adjusters. .-.
[6:45] <david3x3x3> is there a way to set up a vnc server so i can display the pi on a TV but control it remotely from a laptop?
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[6:45] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[6:46] <ShiftPlusOne> hang on
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[6:46] <ShiftPlusOne> try x11vnc
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[6:47] <david3x3x3> ShiftPlusOne: thanks, i'll try it
[6:50] <tzarc> out of curiosity, where is this tvservice binary
[6:50] <tzarc> I gather I'll have to get one of the official distro's to extract it?
[6:50] <jaxdahl> look in /opt/vc/bin/
[6:51] <tzarc> not in raspbian :P
[6:51] <jaxdahl> whereis tvservice
[6:51] <McGooch> if there is no /boot/config.txt can I just create it?
[6:51] <jaxdahl> yes
[6:52] <tzarc> again, it's not an official, it's a minbase raspbian variant
[6:52] <tzarc> trust me, the binaries don't exist at the moment :P
[6:52] <Ben64> is there a snes emulator around?
[6:53] <ShiftPlusOne> tzarc, https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/opt/vc/bin
[6:53] <tzarc> cheers
[6:53] <david3x3x3> x11vnc works well
[6:54] <ShiftPlusOne> awesome, I haven't actually tried it myself
[6:54] <david3x3x3> what's the best way to get X to start automatically?
[6:54] <McGooch> Are there opengl drivers for x windows yet?
[6:56] <tzarc> weird, can't do git:// to github, have to use https
[6:58] <david3x3x3> looks like there's a gdm service
[6:58] <david3x3x3> is chkconfig the right command to enable a service?
[6:58] <david3x3x3> doesn't seem to work
[6:59] <tzarc> alright, time to see if I can get this openembedded toolchain going
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[6:59] <neofutur> tzarc: firewall ? open port 9418 for git
[7:00] <tzarc> bitbucket works fine
[7:00] <tzarc> wait hang on I'm using ssh for bitbucket
[7:00] <tzarc> hmmm
[7:00] <neofutur> ;) port 9418 to open, pretty sure
[7:02] <tzarc> meh, it's working now
[7:02] <neofutur> david3x3x3: chkconfig is on redhat like distros afaik
[7:02] <tzarc> no idea
[7:02] <neofutur> david3x3x3: which distro do you use ?
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[7:04] <neofutur> if its a debian like : http://linuxhostingsupport.net/blog/what-is-equivalentalternative-of-chkconfig-in-ubuntu-or-debian
[7:05] <tzarc> *yawn*
[7:05] <tzarc> wish my net was faster
[7:06] <tzarc> only 40% complete downloading the firmware repo :S
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[7:12] <david3x3x3> neofutur: i think maybe i just need to change the runlevel to 5
[7:12] <david3x3x3> i'm using debian, so i guess the chkconfig equivalent it update-rc.d
[7:12] <McGooch> What do people find is the most efficient way to develop for the Pi? Do you code on the Pi itself? Do you code on your PC, build for the pi and copy it to an image and try it out? Or do you have something setup to code, build, and then copy it over to the pi and launch it?
[7:16] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, I use scratchbox2 to cross-compile, then copy the binaries using scp.
[7:19] <McGooch> ShiftPlusOne Thanks, what platform do you work on win,linux, osx?
[7:19] <ShiftPlusOne> linux
[7:21] <Ben64> so fceu doesn't even run at 100% :|
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[7:22] <ShiftPlusOne> that's a bad thing?
[7:23] <Ben64> nes is not hard to emulate
[7:23] <Ben64> it should be able to do it at full speed
[7:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I thought you meant 100% cpu usage
[7:24] <Ben64> i think it might have to do with x acceleration though
[7:25] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, some of us think that the reason some basic dosbox games and such run badly is that it's more to do with the rate at which things are able to be drawn, rather than anything else
[7:25] <Ben64> do we have access to a framebuffer
[7:25] <SStrife> X is rotten for everything
[7:25] <McGooch> So when I add a line to the config.txt do I add it exactly as it says: "hdmi_mode=58 1680x1050 60Hz"?
[7:26] <SStrife> no Pi, at the moment
[7:26] <SStrife> on*
[7:26] <McGooch> Or just up to the 58?
[7:26] <ShiftPlusOne> just 58
[7:26] <ShiftPlusOne> hdmi_mode=58
[7:26] <SStrife> DOSBox and ScummVM run fairly well, as long as you don't use x
[7:27] <SStrife> they still have stuttering, because the framebuffer isn't accelerated at all
[7:27] <Ben64> fceu doesn't find a framebuffer to use from console
[7:27] <ShiftPlusOne> haven't managed to get scummvm or dosbox running without X
[7:27] <SStrife> so just launch it from the console :)
[7:27] <SStrife> you can't use them from the repo, ShiftPlusOne, you have to compile them yourself
[7:27] <SStrife> with some flags
[7:27] <Ben64> but it doesn't run from console : /
[7:27] <ShiftPlusOne> which flags?
[7:28] <SStrife> dunno off the top of my head
[7:28] <SStrife> Ben64: I suspect fceu will be the same
[7:28] <ShiftPlusOne> alright, I'll give it a go later
[7:28] <SStrife> for VICE, it's --without-x --enable-sdlui
[7:28] <SStrife> i know because I did VICE just now
[7:31] <SStrife> hmm
[7:31] <SStrife> just had a look at dosbox svn, and there doesn't appear to be a flag
[7:32] <SStrife> i guess as long as SDL has framebuffer support, it should work
[7:34] <SStrife> i also have directfb, which i'm not sure if that came from the repo or not
[7:34] <SStrife> yes,
[7:34] <SStrife> apt-get install directfb-1.2
[7:35] <McGooch> hmm, updating config.txt didn't seem to do anything
[7:35] <jaxdahl> can you get power draw from the console?
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[7:35] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, I have a feeling you didn't read that page too well
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[7:36] <McGooch> Unfortunately it doesn't say much
[7:36] <ShiftPlusOne> did you set hdmi_group=2 ?
[7:36] <McGooch> Yes
[7:37] <jaxdahl> it's 0 and 1, not 1 and 2
[7:37] <ShiftPlusOne> did you run /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m DMT ?
[7:37] <jaxdahl> remember what i said earlier ShiftPlusOne?
[7:37] <ShiftPlusOne> jaxdahl, how sure are you?
[7:37] <jaxdahl> "[rgh] I think values are 0 and 1 really, and the default 0 for CEA - at least with the latest firmware as of May 25th 2012. "
[7:38] <jaxdahl> quite sure
[7:38] <ShiftPlusOne> interesting
[7:38] <jaxdahl> i have group=1 and mode=16 and tvservice -s says "state 0x120019, 1920x1080 @ 60Hz, progressive"
[7:38] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, then try 1
[7:38] <jaxdahl> er, group=0
[7:38] <jaxdahl> for me
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[7:39] <McGooch> I'll give it a shot, just reading about that
[7:39] <ShiftPlusOne> jaxdahl, he's using DMT values
[7:40] <jaxdahl> yeah, do =1 then
[7:40] <SStrife> ShiftPlusOne, that's what it was (directfb-1.2)
[7:40] <jaxdahl> if you still can't get it working: do this, set group=1 and mode=1 then reboot and run tvservice -m DMT and hopefully at least one of those shows as "(native)", then set your mode to that and reboot
[7:40] <SStrife> without that it will just error out
[7:41] <ShiftPlusOne> SStrife, thanks a lot, I'll give it a go when get back to it.
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[7:42] <tzarc> hmmm
[7:42] <tzarc> getting no such file or directory on tvservice, despite it being a static executable and LD_LIBRARY_PATH being set correctly
[7:43] <tzarc> mmm, guessing more to it than just running it
[7:43] <ShiftPlusOne> you have all of /opt ?
[7:43] <jaxdahl> tzarc, 'ldconfig /opt/vc/lib' or maybe /lib/lib
[7:44] <jaxdahl> er, that's not what i did
[7:44] <tzarc> all of opt/vc
[7:44] <jaxdahl> maybe that's it
[7:45] <jaxdahl> try that command
[7:45] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea then
[7:45] <tzarc> no dice with ldconfig
[7:45] <jaxdahl> 'sudo ldconfig /opt/vc/lib' or 'sudo ldconfig /opt/vc/lib/lib'
[7:45] <jaxdahl> then try tvservice again
[7:46] <tzarc> negative
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[7:46] <jaxdahl> what's the exact error when you run /opt/vc/bin/tvservice
[7:46] <tzarc> might grab strace
[7:47] <McGooch> ShiftPlusOne: ok tvservice -s shows that my settings in the config file did take effect, the -m DMT shows that mode 58 that I had selected was correct. But the it still isn't using the full screen.
[7:47] <jaxdahl> try disable_overscan=1
[7:47] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, tried disable_overscan=1 ?
[7:48] <tzarc> root@arrpie:~# file /opt/vc/bin/tvservice
[7:48] <tzarc> root@arrpie:~# LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s
[7:48] <tzarc> -bash: /opt/vc/bin/tvservice: No such file or directory
[7:48] <tzarc> hmmm
[7:48] <tzarc> why did it drop the second line
[7:49] <tzarc> ahh, started with a slash
[7:49] <tzarc> /opt/vc/bin/tvservice: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.35, not stripped
[7:49] <ShiftPlusOne> makes no sense
[7:49] <tzarc> indeed
[7:49] <ShiftPlusOne> clearly McGooch's fault though
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[7:50] <tzarc> oh hang on
[7:50] <tzarc> hmmm
[7:51] <Ben64> ok, so i got framebuffer working in fceu
[7:51] <tzarc> my cross-compiler was built against a newer version of linux
[7:51] <Ben64> anyone know how to get sound working?
[7:51] <tzarc> probably shitting itself because of it
[7:51] <McGooch> That fixes the issue, the screen doesn't look rescaled now
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[7:52] <tzarc> root@arrpie:/opt/vc# LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib strace /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s
[7:52] <tzarc> execve("/opt/vc/bin/tvservice", ["/opt/vc/bin/tvservice", "-s"], [/* 15 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
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[7:52] <tzarc> loader is borked
[7:52] <McGooch> ShiftPlusOne: What? Clearly my fault that the default settings don't work?
[7:53] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, yes, from now on, anything that doesn't work is your fault.
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[7:53] <McGooch> Got it
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[8:03] <McGooch> ShiftPlusOne: was that overscan stuff causing rescaling (making it a bit blurry) or was it just putting a black border around everything?
[8:04] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, I don't know, but I think it was just the black border.
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[8:06] <McGooch> ShiftPlusOne: You're probably right, I think the antialiased fonts are just throwing me off
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[8:08] <McGooch> ShiftPlusOne: Is there a way to have the video settings automatically use the highest native resolution? This seems odd to fiddle with text files to do this.
[8:10] <ShiftPlusOne> None that I know of
[8:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I think the hdmi_mode business is a bit silly as well, but that's how it is right now.
[8:11] <SStrife> that's how it works for me
[8:11] <SStrife> i take mine between a 1600x1200 monitor, and a 1280x1024 monitor seamlessly
[8:11] <SStrife> just with disable_overscan=1
[8:11] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[8:11] <ShiftPlusOne> not the case for me
[8:12] <McGooch> I'm complaining before testing, I have yet to try it on my tv
[8:13] <McGooch> Ok thanks a lot for the help guys. I'm off for the night. :)
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[8:27] <techman2> afternoon all
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[8:59] <gordonDrogon> morning ...
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[9:37] <tech2077> gordonDrogon, mornin'
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[9:44] <gordonDrogon> hi (been for breakfast :)
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[9:49] <tech2077> i wish sublime text was open source
[9:49] <tech2077> so i could run it on my raspberry pi
[9:50] <tech2077> it just has such a clean, minimal, but feature packed interface
[9:51] <tech2077> but closed source :/
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[10:07] <Crenn-NAS> How do you install new packages on the Pi? With my NAS, it's using ipkg
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[10:08] <Kripton> Crenn-NAS, which distribution are you using? Debian? Arch?
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[10:08] <Crenn-NAS> Kripton: Debian
[10:09] <Crenn-NAS> It's been a while since I last played with debian
[10:09] <shirro> gordonDrogon: you were running iperf to test network speed. what parameters did you use?
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[10:10] <Crenn-NAS> Going to be seeing if I can't do SPI transfers tonight :D
[10:10] <shirro> How fast can the SPI go?
[10:10] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: If I recall, around 30mbps
[10:12] <shirro> I hooked up a usb cable to another arm board and tried networking over usb. thought the performance would have been a bit better
[10:12] <Crenn-NAS> Which ARM board?
[10:12] <shirro> A freescale one. imx53qsb
[10:13] <Kripton> Crenn-NAS, you need to use apt then. Try "apt-cache search NAME" and "apt-get install NAME"
[10:14] <Crenn-NAS> Kripton: Ah that's right, thanks for that :D
[10:16] <Crenn-NAS> Installing screen now :D
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[10:19] <Crenn-Pi> Yo, what's up?
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[10:26] <Crenn-NAS> Is the system clock of the RPi 250MHz?
[10:27] <Crenn-NAS> Or is it higher?
[10:27] <[SLB]> cpu speed?
[10:27] <Crenn-NAS> No, system clock
[10:27] <[SLB]> ah sorry then, i don't know
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[10:28] <Crenn-NAS> Apparently it's running at 250MHz by default
[10:29] <Crenn-NAS> Good
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[10:50] <Mike632T> Assuming block size of 512 bytes if I want to use dd to copy the first two partitions on my sd card and the second partition ends at 4194303 should I use count=4194303 or count=4194304 ..?
[10:51] <kvarley> how about you mount the image and then copy the mounted partitions over with dd?
[10:52] <kvarley> Mike623T: Are you on windows / linux / osx?
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[10:52] <Mike632T> I want to include the partition table etc (will use it to create copies of my base installation on another sd card - that has data in the third partition)
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[10:54] <kvarley> Mike632T: Do "sudo parted NameOfImage.img print"
[10:54] <kvarley> Mike632T: That'll show you the partition table of the image, that will answer your question
[10:55] <kvarley> Mike632T: If it finishes at the start of the byte then use the lower number, else use the second number you specified
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[11:13] <kvarley> This may be a foolish question - but could android be run on the Pi?
[11:13] <kvarley> I know there are many threads saying the RAM isn't enough
[11:13] <ShiftPlusOne> could
[11:13] <ShiftPlusOne> hypothetically
[11:13] <kvarley> But I'm not talking about mainstream android
[11:14] <kvarley> I'm thinking MIUI or Cyanogenmod - i.e. an optimised build
[11:14] <kvarley> ShiftPlusOne: I guess it'd be a lot of porting work
[11:14] <ShiftPlusOne> run on htc dream which has pretty much the same amount of ram
[11:16] <ShiftPlusOne> *it runs
[11:17] <Skrotus> why do you want to run android?
[11:18] <kvarley> Skrotus: It's better than iOS and Windows Phone ?
[11:18] <ShiftPlusOne> but it's not better than you know... debian =p
[11:18] <Skrotus> I don't think either of those are an option on the pi...
[11:18] <kvarley> Skrotus: Sorry wrong channel lol. I want to run android just to mess
[11:18] <n17ikh> modern android barely runs on the dream
[11:18] <Skrotus> lol
[11:18] <n17ikh> would probably barely run on the pi too
[11:19] <ShiftPlusOne> n17ikh, the question wasn't whether it could run WELL.
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[11:24] <tzarc> mmm, still no working tvservice
[11:24] <tzarc> ugh
[11:31] <tzarc> bingo
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[11:32] <tzarc> ln -sf /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 /lib/ld-linux.so.3
[11:32] <tzarc> dodgy!
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[11:34] <tzarc> well, that's one thing out the road... next problem
[11:34] <tzarc> ugh
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[11:36] <Kripton> tzarc, I had the same. what system are you using?
[11:37] <tzarc> raspbian
[11:38] <Kripton> I see
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[11:38] <Kripton> Did you cross-compile and it didn't work?
[11:38] <tzarc> well I haven't cross-compiled anything apart from the kernel on this setup
[11:39] <tzarc> just a minbase debootstrap and scp'ing across the vc binaries
[11:39] <Kripton> okay
[11:40] <tzarc> going off chatlogs between Hexxeh and plugwash the other day, looks like the kernel is the issue
[11:40] <tzarc> will give it a go with the vanilla kernel
[11:40] <tzarc> well
[11:40] <tzarc> the normal rpi one
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[11:44] <chancellorsmith> hi all - anyone got audio working in arch - I have it but it crackles every time anything's played
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[11:53] <tzarc> ok, stupid me didn't upload the ones in the hardfp directory
[11:53] <tzarc> now it's all functional
[11:53] * tzarc grumbles
[11:53] <tzarc> state: HPD high|DVI mode|HDCP off|composite off (0x120016), 1920x1200 @ 60Hz, progressive
[11:53] <tzarc> finally.
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[11:55] <reider59> has canged nick to IFancyABaconSarnie
[11:55] <reider59> but she doesn`t fancy me lol
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[11:57] <BCMM> chancellorsmith: tends to be something to do with different sample rates and the conversions thereof, if i recall correctly
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[11:59] <chancellorsmith> sample rates??? ok thanks
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[12:00] <reider59> anyone heard anything about the Fedora Remix? I guess at some point they will release it again, hopefully.
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[12:07] <Softnux> Fyi, more amps solved the keyboard problems
[12:07] <kvarley> reider59: The Fedora 17 Remix is waiting upon Fedora ARM to be released. The ARM port is behind schedule afaik
[12:08] <haltdef> why not just use debian? :P
[12:08] <ReggieUK> apart from known software issues, I think underpowered power supplies to the pi are going to be a recurring theme :)
[12:09] <reider59> Thanks, at least its on the map still. Looking forward to that and to the Linux Puppy being sorted on the Pi. Get a look at both of them.
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[12:11] <reider59> I`m already using Debian and quite pleased with it. I`d still like to get a look at Fedora and other OS types too.
[12:12] <Softnux> is there any way to accelerate graphics on debian/pi?
[12:13] <reider59> I was lucky with my PSU. I used the PSU from my ZTE San Francisco II Android Phone and it works perfectly. I charge the phone on USB anyway so no problem there.
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[12:13] <Skrotus> I have nfi what I'll do for a psu
[12:14] <Skrotus> my galaxy s phone charger would probably be fine, but I need that for my phone
[12:15] <reider59> price up a spare......?
[12:15] <reider59> or check out one of those multi chargers
[12:15] <reider59> oops multi PSU
[12:15] <Skrotus> I'm sure I'll work something out
[12:15] <reider59> I have one of those too but not tried it
[12:16] <reider59> I just searched through my countless spares boxes and the ZTE PSU was sat there still wrapped up.
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[12:21] <hagg> hi, i am just trying to boot the debian-squeeze image on my r-pi, but it stucks in something that looks like an infinite loop in which it detects 3 usb ports, registers 2 devices (as far as i can see), then a message like "usbnet_get_endpoints failed: -19", an then detects 3 usb ports again and so on
[12:21] <hagg> i tried a 1000mA and a 1100mA power adapter
[12:21] <hagg> any idea what can be wrong?
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[12:22] <hagg> only things connected is power and composite
[12:22] <hagg> are**
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[12:24] <reider59> I`d be looking for a 5V PSU rated at 700 and see if it works. If its showing USB faults and you have nothing in the USB ports then its most likely not happy with the current PSU
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[12:26] <hagg> i read recommended are psus from 700 to 1200, so i though 1000 and 1100 should be fine
[12:26] <hagg> thought
[12:26] <Skrotus> should be, voltage matters too though I think
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> hagg: yes
[12:26] <Skrotus> I did really bad at electronics
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> hagg: As long as it's actually 5V, and properly made so is not a shock/fire risk
[12:27] <reider59> that's if they really are, not all PSU`s are good quality or push out a constant voltage. Some suppossedly 5volt PSU'`s are pushing out 4.8
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> I've got one that is 6.5V with no load
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> just a cheap USB one
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> 700ma
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> (really 700mA is the short-circuit current, at 300mA, it's outputting between 3 and 4V (massive 100hz component)
[12:30] <reider59> try wiping the SD Card and redownloading Debian too. Just to discount that. I formatted my SD Card in my camera when I fudged up once.
[12:30] <hagg> i checked the images sha checksum, that was ok
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[12:33] <reider59> with nothing else connected that's the only 2 things I can think of checking. SD Card and PSU. If the Debian Squeeze is redownloaded and put on the card properly, a mates PSU or one that matches 5v 700ma is tried then it's RMA time if nothing works
[12:33] <hagg> RMA?
[12:33] <reider59> return
[12:34] <hagg> oh, and waiting for months again... nah.. it HAS to work ;)
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[12:35] <reider59> one or two reports suggest some bad soldering too-allegedly. So have a squint at the board and see if anything looks out of place. some folks fixed them themselves-again alledly.
[12:35] <hagg> http://gbimg.org/p.php?q=IyBdg <-- photo of rpi's output
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[12:36] <reider59> looks identical to the reported problem, thanks
[12:39] <reider59> no keyboard/mouse connected?
[12:40] <hagg> not anymore.. i had first, but disconnected it for testing
[12:41] <reider59> was going to suggest putting them on a powered USB adaptor if you had them attached
[12:42] <hagg> do you have any links to the mentioned reports? i cant see anything that is obviously out of place or broken on th eboard
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[12:43] <reider59> mine is straight into one of the USB ports but some have had problems. I`m using a MS keyboard/mouse but wanted my Rii mini keyboard on, but the touchpad makes the cursor lock to the Pi window sometimes and its a PITA!
[12:43] <reider59> No links but it should be quite easy to search for in the forum.
[12:44] <reider59> I have 2 screens up and sometimes the laptop + the Pi too so always have a forum on and read problems even when I haven`t got them. Its useful info but I don`t save the links unless I have a specific need to archive them.
[12:45] <hagg> do you know how much power composite requires compared to hdmi? couldnt test hdmi yet
[12:46] <reider59> no idea, I tried the composite and got nowhere so I grabbed the HDMI lead off my Digital Recorder for now.
[12:47] <reider59> hooked mine up to the TV, added VNC and now I can turn off the TV and use the monitor with the same keyboard/mouse as my main puter, use a program called Input director so I can use the same keyboard/mouse on the laptop too
[12:49] <reider59> I`m grabbing a couple of spare HDMI leads from the Pound Shop on my next jaunt out. Reports are good with them and the Pi
[12:49] <hagg> too bad. so i have to wait for monday, to test hdmi, friends PSUs, .. and i'll try the arch-linux image this afternoon
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[12:50] <reider59> I tried the arch-linux with an idea to put on a version of Puppy but reverted to Debian for now while some other versions of Puppy are prepared. But I want to try Fedora Remix too.
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[12:52] <hagg> remember: my primary goal is to just have it running.. no matter if debian, arch, or win3.11.. i waited months for it, worse than the time before xmas as a child.. and i want to see it working..
[12:52] <reider59> hagg: take a read of this.... http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=7071
[12:52] <reider59> talking about using a powered hub for USB and to power the Pi too
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[12:55] <reider59> might be an idea to post the problem in the forum, while you`re waiting, too
[12:57] <reider59> try a different SD Card if you have one also
[12:57] <reider59> I got a Kingston Class 4 8GB and a 16GB for a tenner
[12:58] <hagg> sry, had phone call. it tried a powered hub to drive the rpi, too; didnt help
[12:58] <reider59> okies, its much like having a problem starting the car, it can be one of many things and its a case of trying them all
[12:58] <hagg> sd card is a 16gb sandisk, could try a 2gb no-name card. *makes a list of things to try*
[12:59] <Skrotus> there are 16gig sandisk cards on the problem list
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[12:59] <Skrotus> I think they're fixing a lot of the problems in new kernal updates, but there's quite a lot of them on the wiki
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[12:59] <reider59> I would, it could be the silliest of things that causes it. I read that mostly only class 4 works with the Pi so I swapped to a different one than what I was originally going to get.
[13:00] <hagg> hm, my card is class6
[13:00] <reider59> thx Skrotus, all input helps
[13:00] <Kolin> its only class 10's thta have a problem
[13:02] <Skrotus> I have a class 6 which is on the non working list on the wiki
[13:04] <ReggieUK> Skrotus, try it anyway
[13:05] <ReggieUK> just because it's on the list doesn't mean it will or won't work (depending on which part of the list it's on)
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[13:06] <hagg> thx.. i will try most of the things mentioned here and report back afterwards.. but now i need breakfast.. didnt eat for 36h hours now :/
[13:06] <ReggieUK> power is the main thing to get sorted
[13:07] <ReggieUK> powered usb hubs should do the trick, something with a real 2amp or better would be champion
[13:07] <Skrotus> yes you should eat something
[13:07] <reider59> okies, get the food sorted. I`m having cheese hula hoops n salt n vinegar here. Messing with this stuff brings on the snack attacks lol
[13:08] <Skrotus> what are cheese hula hoops?
[13:08] <reider59> may do a curry today, was too lazy to go the shops for spuds yesterday
[13:08] <hagg> ReggieUK: i tried 1000mA psu, 1100mA psu, the highpower usb-port on my laptop (is explicitly for charging devices), a powered usb-hub..
[13:09] <Crenn-NAS> Reading through the SPI section of the IO manual, there is a lot of information missing -.-;
[13:09] <reider59> hula hoops with cheese n onion flavouring. Hula hoops are just potato rings
[13:09] <Skrotus> I see
[13:09] <Kolin> try a salt n vinigarone and a cheese and onion at the same time
[13:09] <Skrotus> they look sort of like what we have here called cheezles
[13:09] <ReggieUK> which device is it stalling on on the usb?
[13:10] <Crenn-NAS> Or I didn't see the 2nd section...
[13:10] <hagg> ReggieUK: http://gbimg.org/p.php?q=IyBdg thats the output of my rpi.. in an infinite loop
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[13:10] <hagg> nothing connectd to usb
[13:10] <reider59> oh no, can`t mix flavours. that should be a hanging offence lol. I prefer the beef or plain ones really but this was a special offer bag
[13:10] <Kolin> aye beef are good
[13:11] <reider59> first time I tried beef when I got these, I`ll look out for them now. theirs some curried crisps I get too, they`re to die for
[13:11] <ReggieUK> oh, it looks like it's the network chip (which is attached to the usb)
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[13:12] <Kolin> thai sweet chili mcoys are the best chrisps going
[13:12] <reider59> mmm gorgous them
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[13:15] <hagg> ReggieUK: knowing that it is the net chip, does it help to solve the problem in any way`
[13:15] <ReggieUK> well, not particularly as such
[13:16] <ReggieUK> but at least it identifies where roughly the issue is occurring
[13:16] <Skrotus> does it imply a hardware problem?
[13:16] <ReggieUK> do you *know* that the psu you're using is definitely capable of providing the voltage and current that's needed?
[13:17] <hagg> it isnt allowed to. if it is a HW-problem, i cant fix it. so it must not be a hw-problem
[13:18] <hagg> ReggieUK: i cant check the PSUs at home, i have to trust what the labels say for now. i tried 4 different power source (incl (high power) laptop usb and a powered usb hub) in hope that at least one is not lying
[13:19] <ReggieUK> rule out the obvious stuff first
[13:19] <hagg> lying? not telling the truth.. "lying" looks odd..
[13:20] <Skrotus> yeah it does, but that's how it's spelt nonetheless
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[13:20] <ReggieUK> either will do
[13:23] <ReggieUK> the other thing to do is report the error in the forums
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[13:23] <reider59> I second reporting it in the forums, mentioned it earlier
[13:24] <ReggieUK> the error looks like it's occurring in the smsc95xx_bind function
[13:24] <reider59> If anyone else has had the same problem then theirs more chance of finding the exact fault and either fixing it or returning the Pi
[13:25] <ReggieUK> and there's also more chance of someone who's worked on getting the drivers up to muster seeing the post on the forum
[13:26] <ReggieUK> btw. have you tried another distro and which distro are you getting the error on?
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[13:27] <reider59> what method are you using to put the distro on the SD Card too?
[13:27] <nid0> yay, rs pi's arrived
[13:27] <Skrotus> huzzah
[13:27] <nid0> not too shabby, got my dispatch note at 7pm last night
[13:27] <reider59> nice one nid, recall the feeling of elation
[13:27] <nid0> (this is pi number 2 though)
[13:28] <Skrotus> hoping mine will turn up in the coming week
[13:28] <reider59> that was quick, mine took 4 days but over the weekend and got it on the Monday by damn second class post
[13:28] <nid0> really? are you in the uk?
[13:28] <nid0> they shipped mine parcelforce 24
[13:28] <reider59> came in on a pack mule over the Pennines
[13:28] <Kolin> yeah mine came parcelforce 24
[13:28] <reider59> PO here
[13:29] <Kolin> the parcelforce driver must be getting fed up of delivering pis to my office :P
[13:29] <reider59> dropped the bladdy thing through the letter box and no bubble wrap around it
[13:29] <Kolin> hmmm, didnt RS wrap it?
[13:29] <fakker> mine came second class post
[13:29] <Kolin> ours all came in a bubble wrap bag
[13:29] <nid0> this pi's quite different, its got a proper ce mark + fcc mark on the back, and for some reason a ce mark but in the totally wrong font etched onto the front
[13:29] <reider59> in a bare box and a flimsy envelope
[13:30] <nid0> my farnell one just has a sticker on the back with a ce mark on it
[13:30] <fakker> bubble wrapped envelope with a box inside
[13:30] <Kolin> yeah some serif upercase font nid0
[13:30] <Kolin> i noticed that
[13:30] <Skrotus> I thought RS were supposed to be fairly good with packaging, it's farnell that I've heard bad things about
[13:30] <fakker> <<Farnell
[13:31] <nid0> both of mine came alright, the RS box is slightly bigger with foam padding whereas the farnell box was unpadded
[13:31] <nid0> but both were in perfectly good jiffy bags
[13:31] <reider59> just checked, their is a light layer of bubble wrap in the envelope but the board was loose in the box
[13:31] <Kolin> thats a bit shit
[13:31] <Kolin> woops
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[13:31] <fakker> ah well
[13:31] <fakker> it works, don't it? :P
[13:31] <Kolin> pardon the french :)
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[13:32] <reider59> anyway, it fell on its head when it arrived but its found its feet now
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[13:32] <Simon-> my box has foam padding in it
[13:33] <plugwash> FR4 is pretty tough stuff really, it takes quite a bit to damage most boards especially small ones like the Pi
[13:33] <plugwash> to me farnell's packaging seems about right and RS's seems like massive overkill
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[13:34] <Kolin> cmon they need to ove rpackage it wouldent want to kill a whole 25 quid worth of computer!
[13:34] <reider59> mine was from Farnell, got an email from RS saying I can order but not sure, if my son wants it I may do.
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[13:37] <Softnux> my pi came from RS with loads of foam via DHL Express, took 24 hours
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[13:37] <reider59> I have some CuSeeMe Reflector software from a Dev, I may try that at some point on the Pi
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[13:37] <tzarc> hmmm, so if I use patchelf to change target ld-linux.so.3 to the armhf one, everything works fine
[13:37] <tzarc> might investigate this newer linaro gcc
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[13:38] <freezer> hi
[13:38] <tzarc> evenin'
[13:38] <freezer> just bought a D-LINK us hub
[13:38] <reider59> hi freezer
[13:38] <freezer> works wonderful
[13:38] <ReggieUK> Kolin, mind your language please :)
[13:38] <Kolin> :(:(:(
[13:39] <freezer> 7port model with two ports for charging only
[13:39] <freezer> on of those two powers the pi no problem
[13:39] <Kolin> ill try not to do it again lol
[13:40] <Kolin> 3.14 and 36.46?
[13:40] <Kolin> sorry thought you said powers of pi
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[13:42] <tzarc> mmm, looks like the linaro 2012.05 supports the correct loader so filename
[13:42] <tzarc> assuming I'm reading the code correctly
[13:42] <tzarc> *build*
[13:43] <reider59> Hagg: still here with us?
[13:43] <reider59> Check this out....... http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6558
[13:44] <freezer> http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=149
[13:44] <hagg> eating, reading.. currently not testing
[13:44] <reider59> eat n read that ;-)
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[13:44] <freezer> hm... i hope it still works when 'fast charge mode' is off
[13:45] <reider59> sounds a bit like your problem
[13:45] <nid0> meh, short on accessories, only place that has everything needed in stock is farnell and by god theyre expensive :<
[13:45] <reider59> see if you have another micro usb cable.... after you eat
[13:46] <hagg> hm, possible, sounds his problem was the psu
[13:46] * gordonDrogon waves.
[13:46] <reider59> have to try it if you can
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[13:47] <reider59> I have at least 2 of those cables, maybe more downstairs. Upstairs in my computer studio their may be more. I have a lot of spares with 7 puters lol
[13:48] <reider59> My son goes for a nosey when he visits, see if he needs anything. Tells his mates I have drawers with 20 keyboards in lol
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> better than 20 glossy mags... ?
[13:48] <reider59> I hate throwing out old puter stuff
[13:49] <Kolin> every time i throw something out i need it 2 weeks later]
[13:49] <Skrotus> I get that
[13:49] <Skrotus> but it adds up
[13:49] <reider59> my old printers started going in the bin though
[13:49] <Skrotus> so many old computers that I swear I'll put to use eventually
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[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Everytime you throw out something you need it 2 weeks later.
[13:49] <reider59> an LCD monitor/TV went last week, hated myself for putting it in
[13:49] <Skrotus> I try to give them away but people won't accept them
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> But consider how much money you'd need to put aside to buy those things again.
[13:50] * hagg still has a number of c64, c16+5, a500, a600, atari1040 and a sharp mz-731 :D
[13:50] <BCMM> Skrotus: got freecycle/freegle in your area?
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> And consider if that money is worth the storage space.
[13:50] <hagg> +4**
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> very few charitys (in the UK) will take electrical goods these days too.
[13:50] <Kolin> i just got an arari 500 form a friend a couple of months ago
[13:50] <Skrotus> I dunno what those are, I'm in australia
[13:50] <BCMM> freecycle is amazing; i got a 19 inch monitor that way
[13:50] <Kolin> they are amazingly crap bu these days standards
[13:51] <BCMM> Skrotus: they are international. they are basically local classified ads but for free stuff
[13:51] <reider59> I have a Shuttle puter that`s fairly small, got a pre Intel Mac Mini a few years back and was sure it wouldn`t get smaller than that but the Pi proved me wrong lol
[13:51] <Skrotus> nice
[13:51] <BCMM> Skrotus: you have stuff you don't want but won't really sell for much, and you give it away for free
[13:52] <reider59> I`d rather sell my son than my puter parts. Well not really, but you know, they`re like a part of you
[13:52] <BCMM> Skrotus: i have seen people literally get rid of a bag of manure that way (my mother took it for her garden)
[13:52] <freezer> did you guys did a john --test?
[13:52] <Skrotus> hah
[13:52] <freezer> *do
[13:52] <BCMM> Skrotus: even semi-broken stuff goes
[13:52] <BCMM> i mean, if you like fixing stuff, you'll accept broken stuff you might be able to fix
[13:53] <BCMM> but you probably wouldn't spend money on stuff you might not be able to fix
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[13:54] <BCMM> Skrotus: freecycle apparently does exist in australia
[13:54] <freezer> damnn..
[13:54] <Skrotus> hmm
[13:54] <Skrotus> I'm not in a major city
[13:54] <reider59> I have a baseball cap with wiring down both sides. A switch in a cardboard box, LED`s on it. Battery in a cardboard box. Walk into an airport and they`d think it was a bomb lol. I did tape up th ewires to tidy it and stitched them to the hat lol. It was an experiment for a flight sim and worked but I bought a proper one in time. Still wouldn`t part with the hat.
[13:54] <Kolin> freecycle around this area isnt great
[13:54] <freezer> this dlink seems to provide 0.5A to every port once the hub is connected
[13:54] <Kolin> never any good stuff going
[13:55] <BCMM> but note i've probably got an excessively positive opinion of it because i have lived near some of hte largest UK freecycle groups
[13:55] <Kolin> or anything remotely interesting
[13:55] <Kolin> kids toys mostly
[13:55] <freezer> only when not connected it will provide 1.2A to each charging port
[13:55] <SStrife> directfb from the repo seems to be broken :(
[13:55] <freezer> although it seems to run at 0.5A right now?
[13:55] <freezer> am i damaging the pi?
[13:55] <BCMM> Kolin: yeah, oxford is one of hte best in the world. i got a totally working 19 inch monitor from some office that was upgrading to those massive apple things
[13:55] <reider59> Turn your head left and you look out the left window, turn right for right and lean forward to zoom in etc. Worked a treat
[13:56] <freezer> even the john benchmark ran through without it crashing
[13:56] <Skrotus> hah there we go, http://groups.freecycle.org/GreaterBendigo/posts/all
[13:56] <BCMM> Skrotus: looks relatively active! how large is greater bendigo?
[13:57] <Skrotus> think it's about 100,000
[13:57] <Skrotus> not huge
[13:57] <Kolin> BCMM: i just got a new machine with 3*24" 3d monitos, its literaly amazing
[13:58] <Kolin> takes way more room than ni thought though
[13:58] <zgreg> re: SD performance. If I raise the emmc clock to 100 MHz, I can successfully configure 50 MHz SD clock, which then gives me about 10 MB/s sequential read performance
[13:59] <nid0> what heresy is this, cant find a single supplier with the sd card + wifi adaptor I want + a microusb cable in stock :<
[13:59] <reider59> my main puter has 2 monitors attached, I use Input Director as a software KVM switch to move the same mouse between them and use the same keyboard. then when flight simming my Android Phone joins as a fourth monitor to put the aircraft computer console on.
[13:59] <zgreg> so, performance scales linearly with SD clock, but for some reason it's much worse than it should be
[13:59] <freezer> zgreg, but can the processor even take great advantage of it?
[13:59] <zgreg> freezer: yes
[14:00] <BCMM> reider59: what does it do that synergy doesn't do?
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[14:00] <freezer> does the pi power on with 0.5A?
[14:00] <copperswithcerea> no
[14:00] <copperswithcerea> 0.7A
[14:00] <freezer> so why does it then
[14:01] <nid0> itll power up on 0.5a fine
[14:01] <copperswithcerea> magic?
[14:01] <nid0> youll likely just find its unstable
[14:01] <freezer> according the dlink's manual the ports are limited to 0.5A
[14:01] <nid0> and will have problems if you plugin any usb devices
[14:01] <freezer> and i can run the john benchmark, ethernet connected
[14:01] <reider59> it does exactly what I want it to do for free without lowering the FPS. I get the parts of the aircraft guages separately so they`re easier to work with and a screen dedicated to a real time live mapping program
[14:01] <freezer> no hdmi or usb device though
[14:02] <nid0> try plugging in a mouse + keyboard if available, if they work and the device is still stable the dlink manual's wrong
[14:02] <freezer> does cpu idle->full load change the power draw a lot?
[14:03] <freezer> i will connect hdmi and keyboard/mouse..
[14:03] <copperswithcerea> freezer: do you have a powered usb hub?
[14:03] <nid0> thats what hes powering the pi from
[14:04] <copperswithcerea> you should definitely buy a powered usb hub, that way you can run both the pi and anything you want to connect to the pi off the usb hub
[14:05] <freezer> yes its a dlink powered hub
[14:05] <freezer> but the manual says the port is limited to 0.5A
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[14:06] <copperswithcerea> what does the sticker on the power supply say?
[14:07] <freezer> 3A
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[14:09] <BCMM> will the pi draw >500mA from a device that does not have D+ shorted to D-, in defiance of specs?
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[14:09] <BCMM> or do you need a "charging cable" or similar to run it from a powered hub?
[14:10] <trevorman> BCMM: it doesn't do any negotiation or checking at all
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> It does not have any smarts
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> it simply draws as much as it needs - until the input polyfuse trips
[14:10] <BCMM> trevorman: well, the point of shorting the data pins is so you can draw power without any actual negotiation
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> Wish someone would split a USB cable and log the current on it ...
[14:10] <SStrife> on the host, you mean?
[14:10] <BCMM> SpeedEvil: so, plug the pi in to a typical PC and break the mobo?
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: There have been a number of reports of power use
[14:10] <trevorman> BCMM: the datalines aren't even connected
[14:10] <SStrife> shorting the data pint at the host end?
[14:11] <SStrife> pins*
[14:11] <copperswithcerea> BCMM: Usb specs say 500mA. but if there's no data connection then it can grab much more
[14:11] <freezer> with hdmi connected, i get link not ready for ethernet
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> BCMM: no - USB is defined as shortable
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> I'm powering a Pi directly off a PC.
[14:11] <freezer> and the usb keyboard does not work
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> and I've powered 2 Pi's off the same hub.
[14:11] <freezer> ok now it seems
[14:11] <freezer> weird
[14:11] <plugwash> BCMM, if it breaks the mobo then the MOBO has a SERIOUS design fault
[14:11] <BCMM> ah, ok then
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> I would measure it - but I don't have a working SD card
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> hopefully mondyay
[14:11] <BCMM> suddenly i'm much happier playing around with USB stuff
[14:11] <trevorman> plugwash: you mean like the old abit mobo I had? ><
[14:12] <freezer> eth0: kevent 4 may have been dropped
[14:12] <trevorman> stupid thing would crash if you did anything slightly strange with USB
[14:12] <nid0> almost any pc will happily supply more than 500ma through its ports
[14:12] <copperswithcerea> nid0: Not a laptop though
[14:12] <trevorman> nid0: just laptops really that might not cope and I think modern ones are all okay with that now anyway
[14:12] <BCMM> how is the SD card reader attached incidently? on the USB, or does the SoC have a built-in controller?
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> Built-in
[14:12] <trevorman> BCMM: built in controller
[14:13] <BCMM> hmm, i guess the SD-only boot make some sense then
[14:13] <copperswithcerea> a crap controller
[14:13] <trevorman> its not the fastest controller ever though so don't expect blazing speed out of it
[14:13] <trevorman> lol
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> built in - with a an intersting feature in that it's possible to program one of the pins as output and have it short out the gpio )-:
[14:13] <copperswithcerea> BCMM: From what I gather as long as /boot is on the sd card then you can use any medium
[14:14] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: one of which pins? you mean you can treat part of hte SD reader like GPIO?
[14:14] <freezer> when i disconnect the hub from the pi it works
[14:14] <plugwash> yeah, there is a small ROM on the SOC that knows how to read boot files off a SD card
[14:14] <BCMM> copperswithcerea: same on any linux system really
[14:14] <freezer> when disconnected it supplies 1.2A
[14:14] <plugwash> not uncommon with arm SOCs
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, One GPIO pin is designated as the card detection pin - its get shorted to ground when you inser the SD card.
[14:14] <BCMM> copperswithcerea: /boot doesn't work anything like a desktop /boot does it?
[14:14] <freezer> so it seems the ports really do get limited to 0.5A while the hub is active
[14:14] <copperswithcerea> BCMM: dunno
[14:14] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: eh. thats not too strange though. its your own problem if you're messing with settings you shouldn't be
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, not a normal user-accessible GPIO pin.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, it's not that hard to accidentally fiddle with it as root ...
[14:15] <Simon-> I don't think it's connected
[14:15] <freezer> guess i will need to buy a Y-cable
[14:15] <Simon-> mine doesn't change value with the SD card in/out
[14:15] <copperswithcerea> ugh I hate y cables
[14:15] <freezer> ya...
[14:15] <freezer> but seems like the best solution
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> freezer, get a powered hub and a stort charging cable.
[14:15] <freezer> this is a powered hub..
[14:16] <trevorman> Simon-: hm. claims to be on the schematic
[14:16] <freezer> but when ACTIVE it limits all ports to 0.5A
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> my 'usual' picture: http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess3.jpg
[14:16] <Simon-> the HDMI pin offers the same shorting potential and that is connected
[14:16] <freezer> when it's disconnected from usb data, two ports have 1.2A
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[14:17] * PiBot sets mode +v vinc
[14:17] * Simon- made it input-only in his gpio driver
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> that hub has a 'bug' in that it supples power down the 'up' link too - however the Pi's 140mA polyfuses stop it booting - although it will start, load the kernel, then reboot, etc.
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[14:18] <trevorman> Simon-: the schematic doesn't have a pull up for the SD detect switch
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> there are internal pull ups.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> and pull-downs.
[14:19] <trevorman> is it actually set to use the pullup though?
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> it would have to be to reliably detect the short to ground.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> otherwise it'll float about...
[14:22] <copperswithcerea> it won't float
[14:22] <trevorman> the card detect isn't particularly useful on the rpi anyway. you need the card there to even boot so all it'll help with is if you want something to complain at you if you're just about to reboot without the card being inserted...
[14:22] <copperswithcerea> they would be defying gravity
[14:22] <trevorman> model C with the built in antigravity feature
[14:22] <copperswithcerea> mode d
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[14:23] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, indeed - and note that they never connected up the write protect signal either.
[14:23] <copperswithcerea> model c has a cd drive
[14:23] <tzarc> ohhhh yeah, output from the cross-compiler works without mucking around with loader paths
[14:23] <tzarc> that took entirely too long
[14:23] <copperswithcerea> how do I test sound?
[14:24] <nid0> turn on speakers > play music
[14:24] <copperswithcerea> What was the command?
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[14:25] <copperswithcerea> my pi has an uptime of 4 min, beat that!
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[14:26] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: yeah. having the WP switch instead of the card detect would actually be more useful
[14:26] <nid0> copperswithcerea:
[14:26] <nid0> root@raspberrypi:~# service mysql status
[14:26] <nid0> Server version 5.1.49-3
[14:26] <nid0> Uptime: 15493 days 12 hours 24 min 14 sec
[14:27] <nid0> all thanks to fubar reporting due to lack of rtc though
[14:27] <freezer> ya right
[14:27] <trevorman> get NTP working ASAP :D
[14:27] <nid0> it is
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[14:27] <nid0> but mysql starts up before ntp sets the time
[14:27] <trevorman> ahh
[14:28] <freezer> why did the limit usb to 150mA?
[14:28] <freezer> even my vanilla mouse + keyboard are 200mA together
[14:28] <plugwash> The two ports are on seperate current limiting
[14:28] <copperswithcerea> some keyboards need more
[14:28] <freezer> now schools have to buy usb hubs for the pis :p
[14:28] <nid0> cost, practicality, worthwhile-ness
[14:29] <freezer> plugwash, so it's 300mA total?
[14:29] <plugwash> I presume the reason was to try and stop a bad USB device resetting the whole system but those polyfuses are more trouble than they are worth
[14:29] <plugwash> freezer, you might get that much current without tripping the polyfuses but from what i've heard the volt drop will be terrible
[14:30] <plugwash> which will cause things to flake out
[14:30] <nid0> the power circuitry throughout the device would need to be upgraded to handle higher load, and you create even more problems with having a powerful enough power source if you're trying to drive 2 high power usb devices from a device that is itself usb powered
[14:30] <plugwash> personally if you are having USB device trouble i'd strongly reccomend soldering wires across those polyfuses
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[14:30] <copperswithcerea> I hope the pi2 has proper ethernet
[14:30] <freezer> is it not proper now?
[14:31] <copperswithcerea> it's sharing the usb
[14:31] <copperswithcerea> and is 10/100
[14:31] <copperswithcerea> which sucks
[14:31] <freezer> is it a usb device?
[14:31] <copperswithcerea> no
[14:31] <tzarc> so you'd prefer to pay an extra $20+ for dedicated gigabit?
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> The ethernet is connected over USB
[14:31] <plugwash> Yes it's a SMSC USB hub with ethernet
[14:31] <tzarc> the whole point was to keep the whole thing cheap
[14:31] <mjr> putting gigabit on the pi would be just dumb
[14:31] <nid0> gigabit ethernet is going to be a long long way down the list of "cheap easy things to include in the next revision" particularly as itd like double the device's cost
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> I personally want to lose the ethernet entirely
[14:32] <nid0> for a feature 99% of people wont care about
[14:32] <copperswithcerea> hmm
[14:32] <jinzo> and can't use. What use is there for gigabit ethernet on the RPi?
[14:32] * plugwash would be strongly tempted to buy a model A if they were availabl
[14:32] <freezer> copperswithcerea, so what do you mean by shares?
[14:32] <mjr> also complaining about it being on the usb is rather useless, that's the way it could be put on there
[14:33] <nid0> jinzo well fwiw i'm currently doing a lot of iscsi stuff with my pis, theyd benefit from gigabit access
[14:33] <plugwash> i've had less trouble with ASIX chipsets than SMSC ones and two USB ports isn't really enough so i'd rather have a model A with a farnell USB hub with ethernet than a model B
[14:33] <nid0> but tbh even wifi, let alone 10/100, is faster than the device's own sd card
[14:33] <haltdef> meh, wifi is faster than 100mbps if done right
[14:33] <plugwash> freezer, The ethernet port and the two USB ports on the Pi all go to a SMSC USB hub with ethernet chip
[14:33] <copperswithcerea> plugwash: a usb hub designed for the pi!
[14:33] <jinzo> nid0, I would say you have a lot of bottlenecks on the SD/CPU itself
[14:34] <jinzo> or are you topping ethernet speeds?
[14:34] <nid0> well, the device can max out 10/100
[14:34] <freezer> haltdef, maybe on 5ghz
[14:34] <mjr> (now, some of the reported usb instability is nasty in conjunction with the ethernet being on usb, but that's hopefully dealable)
[14:34] <plugwash> which then has a single USB connection to the SOC
[14:34] <haltdef> 2.4ghz with equal interference to 5ghz would do it too
[14:34] <haltdef> that's rare though
[14:34] <nid0> yeah, I can pull 11MB/s off my san through the wired connection, thats pretty much maxing the connection out
[14:34] <plugwash> So everything USB or ethernet is sharing a single USB port
[14:34] <freezer> plugwash, do it kind a is usb :D
[14:34] <freezer> so
[14:34] <tzarc> oh yay, 540MB of windows updates
[14:34] <tzarc> fucken MS
[14:35] <haltdef> tzarc, would you rather they didn't bother keeping windows up to date? :P
[14:35] <jinzo> nid0, and that's quite nice, and you're writing that to anything?
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> windows? what's that?
[14:35] <tzarc> I'd rather they didn't dump half-gig update packages each bloody month
[14:35] <copperswithcerea> when you're the most popular OS you get a lot of people trying to find security holes.
[14:35] <haltdef> they don't
[14:35] <copperswithcerea> $500,000 for a zero day windows
[14:36] <ReggieUK> tzarc, mind your language please!
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> I'm glad I have a choice.
[14:36] <haltdef> I miss my WSUS server, can't have that now the server runs linux :(
[14:36] <tzarc> awww, even THAT is considered taboo :(
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> tzarc, it's the thought that counts.
[14:36] <tzarc> :P
[14:37] <freezer> i wanted to use the ibm travel keyboard
[14:37] <freezer> it says 5V == 1.5A on the back
[14:37] <copperswithcerea> tzarc: It has gotten ridiculous
[14:37] * plugwash gets annoyed at the speed of his internet connection
[14:37] <jinzo> don't even get me started on Windows. they're fucking morons when it comes to Dreamspark/MSDNAA
[14:37] <nid0> jinzo, thats hdparm access speed tests so not real-world writes, but reading from one iscsi volume and writing to another through the pi transfers at a shade over 5MB/s, which is a total transfer of nearly 11
[14:37] <freezer> 1.5A is probably too high, since this must be with the usb hub on there
[14:37] <freezer> but it still fucks the pi up
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, change ISP?
[14:37] <nid0> obv cant test just direct reading from/writing to the pi, cos that iscsi connection is about 3x faster than the sd cards
[14:38] <chris_99> is there a list of wifi adapters that work outofthebox
[14:38] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, to what? i'm currently on VM but I don't think any of the ADSL based packages are any better in the regard I care about right now
[14:38] <copperswithcerea> gordonDrogon: Sometimes certain ISPs have monopolies in certain areas
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, so your on the 100Mb package and complaining???
[14:38] <ReggieUK> freezer, language!
[14:38] <jinzo> nid0, yeah exactly. Still not your awerage use case for a PI (because most of the stuff is bound by CPU/SDCard)
[14:39] <plugwash> moving to a higher package might be an option, not sure if higher packages come with higher upload or not
[14:39] <freezer> ReggieUK, sorry i'm too used to it
[14:39] <tzarc> wish I could get more than 3.5Mbps :(
[14:39] <plugwash> it's upload speed that is annoying me right now not download speed
[14:39] <copperswithcerea> freezer: I think it's a bot
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> I'm, not actually having any issues with the 8Mb I have right now...
[14:39] <ReggieUK> I'm asking for your own good, not a threat, just that if people keep it up they will get banned
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> 830Kb/sec upload. that's ok for me.
[14:40] * tzarc hates you.
[14:40] <freezer> gordonDrogon, kbit or kbyte?
[14:40] <reider59> + we do get kids on and while most know more words than us its better to cool the language, I find it hard to do too ;-)
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> tzarc, all internet is possible - you just need to pay for it.
[14:40] <copperswithcerea> freezer: kbyte would be KB and not Kb
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> freezer, 830Kbit upload, 8Mbit download /sec.
[14:40] <freezer> i c
[14:40] <plugwash> thing is while the speed is pissing me off right now I don't upload big files often enough to want to spend more on a higher package
[14:40] <ReggieUK> I was the same but you get used to it
[14:40] <tzarc> anything better in my location and I'm spending $400/mo
[14:40] <ReggieUK> PLUGWASH!
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> $400/month? eek.. I can get 10Mb symetric uncontended here for almost that...
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[14:41] <copperswithcerea> ReggieUK: just be quiet
[14:41] <tzarc> yeah, that's the only upgrade I can get
[14:41] <tzarc> and even still, it ends up being 8Mb symmetric
[14:41] * ChanServ sets mode +o ReggieUK
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> what country you in?
[14:41] <tzarc> which isn't guaranteed, and considering my distance from the exchange
[14:41] <tzarc> australia
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:42] * copperswithcerea was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[14:42] <freezer> i'm waiting for 1&1 to connect my DSL
[14:42] <tzarc> 4km from the exchange, so adsl is atrocious
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[14:42] <copperswithcerea> WHAT THE HELL?
[14:42] <copperswithcerea> Why did you kick me?
[14:42] <tzarc> isn't it obvious?
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> tzarc, yea 4Km. 3.5Mb/sec. that's about yer lot!
[14:42] <ReggieUK> because I'm reminding people nicely that they should respect the channel rules and you tell me to be quiet
[14:43] <copperswithcerea> No, you do not just go kicking people for no reason like that.
[14:43] <freezer> hopefully it will be the max. of 16Mb/1Mb down/up
[14:43] <Skrotus> I'm not sure you can count that as no reason
[14:43] <reider59> he was quite sensibly trying to keep the language out of here, you told him to be quiet
[14:43] <freezer> but online check seems to be quite positive on that :)
[14:43] <copperswithcerea> ReggieUK: A kick is not a reminder...
[14:43] <haltdef> in his defense you weren't opped at the time, just looked like a regular user being bossy :P
[14:43] <ReggieUK> I didn't need to remind you of anything
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[14:44] <copperswithcerea> haltdef: exactly, he's on a power trip
[14:44] <reider59> cool it people, just remember their is a reason to keep the cussing out of here
[14:44] <copperswithcerea> reider59: I didn't cuss
[14:44] <copperswithcerea> reider59: Yet, bam! Kicked.
[14:44] <reider59> no, didn`t suggest that but you told him to be quiet
[14:44] <copperswithcerea> So what?
[14:44] <ReggieUK> If I was on a powe trip you'd be banned
[14:45] <reider59> ok, carry on, bye
[14:45] <freezer> can we just all calm down and have some tea?
[14:45] <reider59> tea mmmm think thats a good idea
[14:45] <tzarc> so anyway, weather's good
[14:45] <copperswithcerea> telling sometime to be quiet DOES NOT equal a kick
[14:45] <haltdef> oh bum, bet OCZ won't get back to me on my SSD RMA until wednesday now
[14:45] <haltdef> silly holidays in this silly country
[14:46] <haltdef> hopefully they're not based here
[14:46] <ReggieUK> perhaps it will remind you not to be so quick to tell someone to be quiet?
[14:46] <copperswithcerea> Perhaps I should remind you that I'm not psychic
[14:46] <ReggieUK> it shouldn't matter
[14:46] <copperswithcerea> It should
[14:47] <copperswithcerea> You weren't OP'd.
[14:47] <ReggieUK> and....
[14:47] <copperswithcerea> You should except people to kow.
[14:47] <copperswithcerea> *know
[14:47] <reider59> talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Get over it and move on
[14:47] <copperswithcerea> It's like plain-clothes police
[14:47] <reider59> or go cool off
[14:47] <ReggieUK> sorry? I are you saying that not everyone deserves the same level of basic respect when you meet them for the first time?
[14:48] <copperswithcerea> ReggieUK: Listen to your own words.
[14:48] <PhonicUK> I have every qemu target platform built for the Pi :D
[14:48] <PhonicUK> we can emulate a x86 OS on the Pi now xD
[14:48] <haltdef> just because we can doesn't necessarily mean we should ????
[14:48] <reider59> I saw that in a forum about emulating the PC
[14:48] <Skrotus> lol
[14:48] <PhonicUK> we could also emulate the Pi in a Pi
[14:48] <PhonicUK> more or less
[14:49] <Matt> morning
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> it would be somewhat ... "sub optimnal" ...
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> 'aftermorning ..
[14:49] <reider59> this is what its about though, trying stuff out. Most of us wil try different things and no 2 want the same but its here now and we can test away as much as we want. Using any method we want.
[14:50] <freezer> i installed openarena via apt-get, but it seems like the binary itself is not in there?
[14:50] <freezer> has it not been ported to ARM?
[14:50] <Thorn_> what do you need binaries for? use your damn imagination
[14:50] <PhonicUK> openarena won't work as-is on the Pi
[14:50] <freezer> Thorn_, very funny
[14:50] <PhonicUK> unless they have an OpenGL:ES backend
[14:50] <reider59> if you emulate the pi in a pi is that a bit of pi?
[14:50] <reider59> a portion of pi lol
[14:50] <PhonicUK> pi / 2
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[14:51] <PhonicUK> who wants to emulate a 64-bit MIPS system on their Pi? xD
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[14:51] <ebswift> it will generate a pi hole :D
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[14:51] <reider59> I might emulate my ZX81 lol
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> reider59, there's a spectrum emulator that already works well on the Pi.
[14:52] <PhonicUK> oooh
[14:52] <PhonicUK> now I need some x86 Wine binaries!
[14:52] <reider59> I might take a look at that at some point too, thx
[14:53] <PhonicUK> qemu-user-i386 wine SomeWindowsProgram.exe
[14:53] <copperswithcerea> wine is not an emulator
[14:53] <PhonicUK> yes we know this
[14:53] <haltdef> qemu is :P
[14:53] <PhonicUK> yup
[14:53] <PhonicUK> running Wine x86 in qemu-user-i386
[14:53] <haltdef> would like to see how useful that is
[14:53] <PhonicUK> well i'll let you know
[14:53] <PhonicUK> bbl
[14:55] <reider59> Doom n quake are on my "To Try" list too, I know someone has done it. I converted my PC version of them on my Mac Mini a few years back.
[14:55] <copperswithcerea> hexxen
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[14:56] <copperswithcerea> *hexen
[14:56] <reider59> hexxen was cool but only tried it now and then. Superb graphics and game play though. But somehow Doom and Quake always grabbed me
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[14:57] <ReggieUK> I 'ported' SDLdoom for the leapfrog didj/explorer and parrot df3120 photoframe
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[14:58] <ReggieUK> anyone tried a wiimote on the pi yet?
[14:58] <freezer> what about dosbox
[14:59] <reider59> I still have my original PC Chip from a puter I bought from new cos I liked the look of Doom one of the salesman was playing in the shops. Its a 486 DX33 I changed to a DX 2/66 and later changed to a DX4/100
[14:59] <reider59> Was looking at the chip the other day and thinking back to when I got it
[14:59] <jinzo> ReggieUK, as there's wiimote support in the vanilla kernel it should be easy.
[15:00] <ReggieUK> not quite enough buttons for doom on a wiimote
[15:00] <jinzo> it intruged me for quite some time, but I didn't have time to get my hands on wiimote
[15:00] <ReggieUK> ps3 controller would be useful
[15:01] <freezer> anyone got a opengl desktop running?
[15:01] <freezer> is it fast?
[15:01] <reider59> I have my wii games on a USB Hardrive and pick them from a rotating carousel, looks cool as heck. I set it to boot direct to the carousel.
[15:01] <ReggieUK> if you've got bluetooth/usb on an embedded device, the wiimote is an easy wireless controller
[15:02] <ReggieUK> great for menus
[15:03] <blkhawk> hey ReggieUK
[15:03] <blkhawk> :)
[15:03] <ReggieUK> hi blkhawk :)
[15:03] <ReggieUK> got your pi yet?
[15:03] <blkhawk> I got one of them yesterday
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[15:03] <ReggieUK> awesome :)
[15:04] <blkhawk> poking around - too bad the dc3120 dosplays do not fit the connector ;)
[15:04] <ReggieUK> hahaha, yeah, i thought that as soon as i saw it a few months ago
[15:04] <ReggieUK> dsi connector :(
[15:04] <ReggieUK> probably going to be a bit limited to what we can use on it
[15:05] <ReggieUK> whatever the foundation decide to support
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[15:06] <gordonDrogon> Is the foundation planning a self-contained unit with display, camera, keyboard & mouse for the educational launch ? (does anyone know?)
[15:07] <reider59> I have some USB LCD Modules, some with buttons on, that CrystalFontz sent me as test and Research Modules. Must check them out too. One has a temp sensing board added to it with some wired temp sensors. The LCD Modules can be programmed to warn of incoming emails, weather reports, game stats, that sort of thing
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> Intersting idea, reider59
[15:08] <reider59> they have a camera on test
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[15:08] <tzarc> ....and that's a kernel built with prerelease gcc 4.7.1
[15:08] <tzarc> win
[15:08] <tzarc> finally a properly functional toolchain
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[15:09] <gordonDrogon> I fancy something like this: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/24-tft-colour-lcd-module-p-267.html
[15:09] <tzarc> I can probably take 22" touchscreen LCD's from work
[15:09] <tzarc> got a fair few lying around
[15:10] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: doubt anything like that would happen for the launch. education is price conscious so they'd want the cheapest possible at least initially.
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, sure - but how many schools do you know with HDMI montors... I don't know any )-:
[15:10] <SocksG> Isn't that why it's got composite out?
[15:11] <trevorman> self contained as in like a laptop or imac?
[15:11] <reider59> Mine are 2 line or 4 line and about 1" high by 3" long on the viewable part. The two line fits a in a floppy slot, 3 of the 4 lines fit in a CD/DVD slot or an external case. The final module is a 4 line external model.
[15:11] <nid0> i'm not sure what purpose that screen would serve for the educational release anyway
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[15:12] <nid0> great for specific projects maybe, but whos gonna teach kids to code on a 2.4" screen?
[15:12] <trevorman> you'd get a much better deal just buying some mass produced TV or HDMI monitor anyway
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[15:13] <reider59> the 2 line has 4 buttons I can reprogram, 3 of the 4 lines have 6/7 buttons I can reprogram and the external has no buttons
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> SocksG, sure - but all the schools I've been to have VGA )-:
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> admittedly my knowledge it limited to 3 schools in Devon in recent times, and chatting to a couple of school ICT admin types.
[15:14] <trevorman> they must have TVs though
[15:14] <nid0> hdmi to vga cables are like ??2?
[15:14] <trevorman> no
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> hdmi to DVI is cheap. to VGA, not cheap.
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[15:14] <trevorman> you're thinking DVI-I to VGA
[15:15] <reider59> wonder if HDMI to DVI and then a DVI/VGA adaptor would work
[15:15] <haltdef> it wouldn't
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> I've just looked at cmpost to VGA adapters - they're not cheap either.. I have an old 17" tube I'd like to use, but it's VGA only.
[15:15] <trevorman> haltdef: why not?
[15:15] <haltdef> most dvi ports support analog too, so vga is supported via a simple adapter
[15:15] <nid0> overstock have hdmi<>vga cables for ??3.70..
[15:15] <haltdef> hdmi is digital only, you'd need an active converter
[15:16] <reider59> I have a spare LCD monitor upstairs but its VGA only, the other two up there are big huling monitors
[15:16] <trevorman> nid0: link?
[15:16] <reider59> *hulking
[15:16] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, that screen is a bit expensive
[15:17] <trevorman> haltdef: yeah. read it wrong. thought reider59 meant something else.
[15:17] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, take a look here:
[15:17] <ReggieUK> http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Ego-China-Electronics
[15:17] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-3-TFT-LCD-Module-Display-Touch-Panel-Screen-PCB-Adapter-Build-in-SSD1963-/221031507966?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33768127fe
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, that stuff is cheap enough, but I'm happy to buy from a UK store.
[15:18] <ReggieUK> it was more the choice of screen you get too
[15:19] <trevorman> nid0: its not doing conversion. those cables are for oddball devices that output analog on the HDMI port. thats completely non standard and just weird
[15:19] <ReggieUK> with/without controller, microsd socket, touchscreen
[15:19] <ReggieUK> resolution
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> I really can't be bothered with paypal or the wory of importing stuff. I'll let others do that wory for me and pay via credit card to a UK bank.
[15:19] <reider59> These are some of the ones I have.....http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/index-usb.html
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> and I'm happy to pay a bit more for that.
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[15:20] <trevorman> if you want VGA then you need something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0U008N4201
[15:20] <trevorman> $34.99
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> reider59, Hm. I have an old in-car front panel with an LCD and some buttons - might try to see if I can hook that up.
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Composite-Video-to-VGA-Converter/dp/B000NVSRXI
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> that's ?39.99 ...
[15:21] <ReggieUK> has anyone seen the hdmi to vga cables on ebay?
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[15:21] <ReggieUK> I'm wondering what that's all about
[15:21] <ReggieUK> as I understand it you can't do hdmi to vga without conversion
[15:21] <trevorman> ReggieUK: for weird devices that output analog on a HDMI socket
[15:22] <ReggieUK> ahhh :)
[15:22] <reider59> good stuff to fool with. I was an enthusiast in their forum a few years back. they took me on as a beta tester but I started reprogramming the screens. At that point they started sending me free hardware to test on and some gifts too, lots of them lol was a brilliant experience and they paid all costs to ship the hardware from Spokane, Us to me in the UK.
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[15:23] <gordonDrogon> reider59, fun!
[15:24] <reider59> I only used Notepad to reprogram them. their technicians couldn`t believe it lol
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[15:32] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: hi
[15:32] <Cheery> Gadgetoid: are you online?
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[15:33] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, What Ho!
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> Has anyone used those "pocket" 'scopes? there are a few, but the ones like e.g.: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/dso-quad-pocketsized-digital-oscilloscope-p-920.html
[15:34] <tzarc> Linux version 3.1.9-FX3+ (root@hailstorm) (gcc version 4.7.1 20120514 (prerelease) (raspberrypi-glibc) ) #6 Sat Jun 2 23:30:44 EST 2012
[15:34] <tzarc> new gcc :)
[15:35] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: couldn't you make a digital oscilloscope from pi?
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[15:35] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, no analog input...
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[15:35] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: well add one
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, and Linux will get in the way...
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[15:37] <gordonDrogon> brb
[15:37] <trevorman> if you only ever want to measure fairly low frequency signals and with low resolution then they'd be okay...
[15:38] <zgreg> hmm the eMMC interface in the BCM2835 only has 1K of buffer
[15:39] <zgreg> maybe that is why performance is so abysmal
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[15:40] <trevorman> zgreg: its also clocked quite slow
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[15:43] <Axman6> anyone know why a swap partition wouldn't be used by the debian image? I resized the main partition to 14GB, and increased the size of the swap partition to 1.5GB, but it's not showing up in /proc/swaps and certain things I'm doing keep running out of memory
[15:44] <tzarc> did you do mkswap/swapon?
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[15:44] <Axman6> do I need to specify somewhere that I want a certain partition to be used as swap? IO though that all swap partitions were used if they're detected
[15:44] <Axman6> tzarc: no, what do I need to do for that?
[15:44] <tzarc> mkswap <device>
[15:44] <tzarc> swapon <device>
[15:44] <tzarc> as in
[15:44] <tzarc> the swap partition
[15:44] <Axman6> ok. how do I find out what device the swap partition is?
[15:45] <tzarc> you made it? :P
[15:45] <zgreg> trevorman: I know, but it's still doing badly considering the clock
[15:45] <tzarc> is it on the SD or are you using USB?
[15:45] <zgreg> trevorman: i.e. it configures 20 MHz clock for my card, but only achieves 4.5 MB/s with that
[15:45] <trevorman> zgreg: yeah. I gave up using the SD slot for storage. I purely use it for just the boot files now.
[15:45] <Axman6> well, I know it's the partition after main partition, but that's it. it's on the SD card
[15:46] <zgreg> I raised SD clock to 50 MHz and now I'm getting 10.5 MB/s
[15:46] <tzarc> do an fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0
[15:46] <tzarc> if there's a swap partition, the device id is the first column on that line
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[15:46] <zgreg> but in an USB card reader attached to the pi I'm getting over 17 MB/s
[15:46] <Axman6> ah ha, ok, it's mmcblk0p3
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[15:46] <tzarc> ok, so mkswap /dev/mmcblk0p3
[15:46] <tzarc> swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3
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[15:47] <trevorman> zgreg: you changed the emmc clock?
[15:47] <zgreg> trevorman: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=5057&p=90217#p90217
[15:47] <zgreg> yes
[15:47] * Axman6 waits while swap on takes an ominous amount of time...
[15:48] <Axman6> swapon* (damn autocorrect)
[15:48] <trevorman> zgreg: ah cool
[15:49] <zgreg> 10-11 MB/s are acceptable
[15:49] <Axman6> tzarc: seems to be working, thanks a lot =)
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[15:50] <zgreg> booting the system is notably faster with the performance fixes
[15:50] <tzarc> no problemo, chief
[15:50] * Axman6 adds tzarc to his list of owes a beer one day people
[15:50] <tzarc> lol
[15:50] <zgreg> well, anyway, sort of sucks that both ethernet and SD have various performance issues
[15:51] <Axman6> now to see if I can compile ARMDisassembler.cpp from LLVM without running out of memory
[15:51] <tzarc> cross compile! :P
[15:52] <zgreg> compiling code on the pi is painful
[15:52] <tzarc> big time
[15:52] <zgreg> just get the toolchain from the raspberry pi github and cross compile
[15:52] <Axman6> where's the fun in that? =)
[15:52] <Axman6> most of it has been running over night
[15:53] <Axman6> or during the day while I've been out
[15:53] <tzarc> the fun is getting a working cross-compiler toolchain :P
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[15:54] <Axman6> yeah, if figured I'd just put in the effort to get LLVM+Clang installed so I'd at least have a rather fast compiler installed, that supported modern features (like C++11)
[15:55] <bjorn`> Anyone know where to fetch the kernel sources for current raspbmc kernel? I need to build the alsa usb sound module
[15:55] <tzarc> fair enough
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[15:56] <Axman6> hopefully having Clang will mean compiling things in the future is not as painful
[15:56] <tzarc> gcc 4.7 in raspbian is doing fine for me
[15:57] <tzarc> I wouldn't mind clang, but eh
[15:57] <Axman6> I'm a little worried though, the version of GCC that debian has on ARM is known to miscompile LLVM (apparently it miscomputes "foo >> 1" o.O)
[15:57] <tzarc> which debian are you using?
[15:58] <tzarc> armel or armhf
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[15:59] <Axman6> armel I believe. what's the difference?
[15:59] <Axman6> I say that because I'm pretty sure I saw apt-get installing packages with armel in the path
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[16:00] <tzarc> just curious, I've only really used raspbian/armhf at this point, curious if its gcc was borked too
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[16:01] <Axman6> hoorah! 8MB of swap used!
[16:02] <trevorman> Axman6 is probably the only person ever to be happy that something is actually swapping >.>
[16:04] <ReggieUK> it can be useful in some situations with sd cards
[16:04] <Cheery> Gadgetoid: I'm hacking on your pi then, so don't worry. :)
[16:04] <Axman6> well, it's better than failing :\
[16:04] <ReggieUK> Axman6, indeed :)
[16:06] <Cheery> oh
[16:07] <Cheery> it's not working
[16:07] <Cheery> anyone else happens to share a pi?
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[16:07] <svenstaro> anyone here with a pi and arch on it? I'd love to play around on it
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[16:09] <Cheery> svenstaro: I'm looking for same thing really. :]
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[16:10] <svenstaro> my pi is still a long way off :/
[16:11] <kane77> hi guys.. On my TV the hdmi output is out of the screen on the edges.. how can I fix that?
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[16:12] <Holden> kane77, the answer is somewhere here: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Display
[16:12] <trevorman> kane77: investigate the overscan settings for config.txt
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[16:14] <Cheery> I guess I have to wait for the real thing to get my graphics lib toying done :)
[16:14] <nid0> Cheery / svenstaro I can set my second pi up to share as i'm waiting on a couple of accessories for it, give me a ping here in a few hours and i'll get it shared
[16:14] <Cheery> nid0: well I'd like display if you could hung it on.
[16:14] <Cheery> no need for capture yet though
[16:15] <Cheery> or not even display, if the examples in /opt/vc/src/ work without
[16:15] <Cheery> but then maybe I just give up for now
[16:15] <Cheery> I'll get my own pi in weeks
[16:15] <Cheery> two or three
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[16:16] <kane77> trevorman, Holden thanks.. I was looking into overscan, but I got it all wrong..
[16:16] <linkxsc> a question. I was looking into buying a couple of these for the engineers at my company to play ardoun with. Anybody know when they'll tentatively, be in better supply? (I see the entire initial production has sold out, if only i had gotten bossman to approve of us ordering a few earlier)
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[16:16] <Cheery> linkxsc: just register into queue
[16:17] <Cheery> I think they've not announced it gets better anytime soon
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[16:17] <linkxsc> dang, oh well
[16:17] <Cheery> also getting into queue isn't a contract yet.
[16:17] <Cheery> so if it opens too late, you can opt out.
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[16:18] <linkxsc> hmm they're pretty cheap, i dont think itd ever be opted out of
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[16:18] <linkxsc> i really like the concept though. Here a cheap simple compute that you coudl prospectively build into something greater
[16:18] <linkxsc> computer*
[16:19] <kane77> I just wish there was more RAM..
[16:19] <Cheery> I think if the concept stays alive, we'll get better devices
[16:20] <Cheery> and I think it's already better than some phones you could get.
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[16:21] <linkxsc> hmmm itd be nice to see soemthgin with a bit more RAM, but my electronics work since i started messing with them in Jan this year has mostly been arduino and ATMega microprocessors. So 256mb RAM is liek a godsend to me
[16:21] <Cheery> are you a darkbasic author or just some random darkbasic fan?
[16:21] <darkbasic> Cheery: just a random fan :)
[16:21] <Cheery> fun to see those here anyway.
[16:22] <trevorman> linkxsc: depends on what you want to do with it. if you're willing to pay a bit more then you can get faster CPU, more RAM, more GPIO etc...
[16:23] <linkxsc> well trev i dont know what i wanna do with it yet, thats teh fun of it
[16:23] <svenstaro> nid0: why do you have a second pi while I have none :<
[16:23] <svenstaro> nid0: anyway, that'd be greatly appreciated
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[16:25] <Axman6> hooray! ARMDisassemble.cpp has finished compiling!
[16:25] <linkxsc> *snicker*
[16:26] <mkopack> linkxsc: yeah, but remember that you're sharing that 256MB with an OS, some goes to the GPU, etc. So you need to try to keep the OS as small as possible to optimize what you have for RAM to work with.
[16:27] <darkbasic> 256MB is a lot IMHO
[16:27] <ReggieUK> it depends entirely what you want to do with it
[16:27] <ReggieUK> and how the system is configured
[16:27] <linkxsc> yeah i noticed that. Depending on how good the SPI on the Pi is, it woudlnt be too hard to use an external RAM chip (use them constantly when working with arduinos) and store data for programs there.
[16:28] <linkxsc> but even then, im not gonna be trying to make teh thing run Halo
[16:28] <ReggieUK> hmmmn, not sure that's a good idea, as you've got sd for storing programs on already
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[16:28] <blkhawk> ReggieUK: but sadly the sdcard is slow as molasses atm
[16:28] <trevorman> linkxsc: accessing it wouldn't be hard but making linux use it would be difficult. you wouldn't be able to execute anything from that SPI RAM. it'd be more like swap.
[16:29] <ReggieUK> blkhawk, it is yes
[16:29] <trevorman> blkhawk: zgreg has been fiddling with it and gotten better performance. its still kinda slow though.
[16:29] <linkxsc> thats for storing data for programs while not in use though, im talkign about RAM to be used by a program while running
[16:29] <blkhawk> seems its not a hardware limitation tho :)
[16:29] <blkhawk> bootc did some patches that resulted in a doubleing of speed
[16:30] <linkxsc> and trevor, that might be the case, my microprocessors i work with dont automatically allocate ram i attach to their normal storage.
[16:30] <linkxsc> Figuring out how to make it work with external ram will jsut be another chunk of the fun
[16:30] <bootc> sorry, nope, I didn't do the patches :-)
[16:30] <bootc> I think they came in with 3.2
[16:30] <blkhawk> trevorman: its already almost fast enough for my purposes - its just sad to see the primary storage be beaten by usb and nfs
[16:31] <donzoomik> doesnt using these sandisk ultra cards with 1mb+ 4k write help with io?
[16:31] <trevorman> linkxsc: you'd either need to make it into swap or custom write your apps to know about this extra RAM. if you're making it into swap then you might as well just plug in a regular USB stick *shrug*
[16:31] <blkhawk> bootc: where can one aquire the 3.2 kernel?
[16:31] <bootc> SPI RAM will forcibly be slower than the SDIO as well, you won't get that fast a bus speed from it
[16:31] <blkhawk> donzoomik: hdparm tests with about 4mb buffered speed
[16:31] <bootc> blkhawk: my git tree is one place
[16:32] <linkxsc> it would more be the apps woudl know about the RAM. Since teh eventual goal of my company buying a few is that they might end up getting built into some machine to operate it
[16:32] <trevorman> blkhawk: zgreg got it up to just over 10MB/s so assuming thats reliable then thats probably enough for you if its already nearly there
[16:32] <bootc> blkhawk: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/31/slightly-updated-rpi-kernel/
[16:32] <donzoomik> well 1mb direct or 4mb random is pretty good...
[16:32] <blkhawk> a handy speed tip that eliviates some of the pain is removing man-db ;)
[16:33] <trevorman> linkxsc: USB stick for swap would be easier, faster and vastly more extra memory.
[16:33] <blkhawk> seems like i need to setup an ubuntu based dev system
[16:34] <Softnux> Works quite well as a webserver
[16:34] <blkhawk> bootc: thanks - I will set myself up with a dev instance for raspberry - my current machines are all debian
[16:34] <mkopack> Yeah, or a external USB drive chassis with an SSD like I did :)
[16:34] <bootc> blkhawk: I have instructions for building a cross-compiler on my blog too
[16:34] <svenstaro> Softnux: may I dos it a little and you tell me cpu usage?
[16:35] <blkhawk> mkopack: thats sort of a waste consideering you only get 20mb/sec from usb
[16:35] <donzoomik> we had a plan to use them as very basic workstation/logging-display systems
[16:35] <Softnux> just have to figure out how to check the cpu usage
[16:35] <svenstaro> well htop?
[16:35] <blkhawk> bootc: i don't want to break anything in my cross compile box ;)
[16:35] <blkhawk> i will just use a new instance
[16:35] <mkopack> Maybe but no moving parts, very low power draw, and much quicker
[16:35] <bootc> and note that running swap on SD in current kernels is a recipe for a deadlock
[16:35] <svenstaro> Softnux: what distro?
[16:35] <mkopack> And you can get much bigger storage sizes than USB thumb drives
[16:35] <Softnux> Debian
[16:35] <trevorman> blkhawk: SSDs are getting cheap anyway now so meh
[16:35] <bootc> USB *might* be OK if you're lucky
[16:35] <svenstaro> Softnux: well install htop
[16:36] <Softnux> top works
[16:36] <svenstaro> fair enough
[16:36] <trevorman> even the slowest cheapest SSD would be more than enough for the RPi
[16:36] <mkopack> I went with a 30GB that I picked up for $29 after rebate
[16:36] <Softnux> svenstaro, %us ?
[16:36] <linkxsc> meh even if it ended up using a USB to act as vitrual RAM, woudlnt change that itd be perminantly built into whatever eventually, And i dont really think we're gona end up needing you know, 8gb of extra memory
[16:36] <svenstaro> Softnux: yes
[16:36] <Softnux> go ahead
[16:36] <neofutur> using sd or usb as swap, howlong will the sd or usb live ?
[16:36] <svenstaro> Softnux: should be around 0 right now
[16:36] <svenstaro> Softnux: running
[16:36] <neofutur> i tried that with a eepc 4g, had the usd or sd die every 3-6 months
[16:37] <trevorman> linkxsc: depending on what you want to do with the GPU, the Linux side of things will get 128, 192 or 224 MB.
[16:37] <Softnux> maxed at 9.9 so far
[16:37] <Softnux> 10.2
[16:37] <svenstaro> Softnux: you on a home connection?
[16:37] <Softnux> yup
[16:37] <svenstaro> ah
[16:37] <Softnux> 10/10
[16:37] <svenstaro> Softnux: I'll try more thredas
[16:38] <linkxsc> hmm itll probably be a screen with a box on it to setup tool paths in a CNC machine, or something like that
[16:38] <svenstaro> Softnux: how about now?
[16:38] <Softnux> 29%
[16:38] <svenstaro> that's not so bad but probably your connection is limiting here
[16:38] <linkxsc> dunno, god only knows what will end up being
[16:39] <blkhawk> why does activating swap take so long on raspberian?
[16:39] <blkhawk> really annoying
[16:39] <svenstaro> Softnux: once more, I'll try pingspam
[16:39] <Softnux> shoot
[16:40] <trevorman> linkxsc: it just sending commands to a motor controller? realtime performance on the RPi is unlikely to be very good.
[16:40] <Softnux> hold on, should probably dmz it for pings
[16:40] <svenstaro> Softnux: no I'm pinging on port 80 tcp
[16:40] <Softnux> ah
[16:41] <Softnux> nothing happens, idling at ~0.7%
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[16:41] <blkhawk> bootc: whats up with this armel / armhf shism going on?
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> hi
[16:42] <linkxsc> trev im talkign hypothetically, we dont have one yet, and we don't know what kind of project itll eventually be built into
[16:42] <blkhawk> a few days ago everything seems to have been armel and now raspberian is armhf
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[16:42] <gordonDrogon> hasn't raspbian always been armhf?
[16:42] <bootc> blkhawk: AIUI the bcm2835 doesn't have the right core for proper Debian armhf as that requires ARM7
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[16:42] <bootc> but it does have a hardfloat unit, so it's more than armel
[16:43] <blkhawk> bootc: for some reason the raspbian i made myself is armhf
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> armel & a 1/2
[16:43] <linkxsc> i was usign that for an example. example, have the existing CNC that we built at our company (kinda ghetto but works) that you manually put in info on a keypad with a 20x4 character screen for its display
[16:43] <bootc> so a bunch of good folks are rebuilding the Debian armhf archive with the right flags to run hardfloat on the RPi
[16:43] <svenstaro> Softnux: perhaps your router is smart :)
[16:43] <Softnux> good old WRT54GL<3
[16:43] <blkhawk> bootc: so thats trhe reason everything is half and half atm
[16:43] <bootc> sadly they also called it armhf instead of something like armrpi so there's this confusion
[16:43] <linkxsc> take that, and upgrade it. itd run on same processor, just all that data sent to its processor to run woudl be put in via keyboard and onscreen prompts so anybody woudl eb able to run it
[16:44] <Softnux> svenstaro, let my try disabling the firewall
[16:44] <linkxsc> and teh screen adn all that work woudl be done by the Pi. Then even better could have that send somethign to a comptuer in our company that logs data.
[16:44] <blkhawk> how much perfomance boost does that half hf get you?
[16:44] * AlanBell wonders if wayland will build and run on the pi
[16:44] <bootc> hardfloat will be very helpful for stuff like video decoding so I can see why they did it, but I'm not involved in that effort
[16:45] <blkhawk> ah, good thing i have a klot of sd cards
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> I've been using raspbian for some time now - I see good improvements in my stuff with it.
[16:46] <Softnux> svenstaro, try now
[16:46] <svenstaro> k
[16:46] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: I used the installer to build myself a custom install
[16:46] <linkxsc> besides dark, why woudl getting realtime data be so difficult to the RPi?
[16:46] <tzarc> raspbian is even better if you have another machine to compile for it instead :P
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, I started with the sort of first release hexxeh made - might try from the installer on another Pi though.
[16:46] <linkxsc> id assume that your thinking about a bit of a delay because its running an OS as well as otehr thigns at the same time that your trying ot give it the data
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[16:47] <tzarc> I had actually wondered whether one could do a cross-debian packaging system
[16:47] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: do you have that strange pause when activating swap too?
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> linkxsc, Linux is pre-emptive multi-tasking... unless you can get data in via a interrupt driven device driver (or something very close) you might lose data ...
[16:47] <trevorman> linkxsc: Linux isn't designed to be a RTOS so interrupt latency can vary quite a lot
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, yes - I use a small swapfile though. Linux reads and builds up a map AIUI.
[16:48] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: the vanilla debian doesn't have the same problem
[16:49] <tzarc> you sure that's not just because you're using a different card/kernel?
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, Hm. let me boot up a debian Pi and have a play...
[16:49] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: I'm making a sdcard with it on right now :)
[16:49] <blkhawk> mostly cause i want to try the 3.2 kernel tho
[16:50] <Softnux> the cpu temperature worries me, should I maybe get a small heatsink?
[16:51] <svenstaro> Softnux: synflooding you now, anything? :)
[16:51] <trevorman> Softnux: huh? how hot is it?
[16:51] <blkhawk> Softnux: i didn't notice it getting very hot? how hot is worrysome?
[16:51] <Axman6> Softnux: my pi has been at 100% CPU for a day or two, and it's quite cool to the touch. a heatsink isn't going to do anything
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[16:51] <gordonDrogon> it's just taken a good 15 sweconds to 'activate lvm and swap' on a standard debian.
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> Softnux, if you can keep your thumb on the chip for more than 10 seconds it's not too hot.
[16:52] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: isn't that just on first boot?
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, this is a Pi I've booted dozens of times.
[16:52] <svenstaro> Softnux: dude?
[16:52] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: nice rule of thumb there
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, that's about 45C ..
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> my overclocked system barely gets above 41C.
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[16:53] <trevorman> the SoC is designed to be jammed into a phone anyway with pretty much no cooling
[16:53] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: i run at 900 - still testing it out to see if i can undervolt
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[16:53] <gordonDrogon> 900MHz and 500MHz SDRAM. I have one Pi that will run hello_triangle at that and one that needs sdram at 400.
[16:53] <trevorman> Softnux_: you don't need a heatsink. how hot is it getting? you able to touch it and hold your finger there?
[16:54] <Softnux_> trevorman: yeah, doesn't hurt, but still warm
[16:54] <blkhawk> 500DRAM causes errors on the console for me
[16:54] <svenstaro> Softnux_: you here again?
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[16:54] <gordonDrogon> root@pi1:~# time swapon -a
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> real 0m13.086s
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> user 0m0.000s
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> sys 0m0.060s
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[16:54] <Softnux> ya
[16:55] <trevorman> Softnux: its fine like that. you can add a heatsink if you really want to but its not necessary.
[16:55] <svenstaro> Softnux: did you at least get some higher usage or did your router absorb the impact?
[16:55] <Softnux> will it extend the life if i plant to keep it running 24/7?
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[16:55] <Softnux> no results, router probably caught it
[16:56] <svenstaro> fair enough
[16:56] <trevorman> Softnux: in theory yes but you're not going to notice it. its designed to run like this.
[16:56] <Softnux> ok, ty
[16:56] <svenstaro> well at least the curl tests seemed fine
[16:56] <svenstaro> you can apparently servce around 5000 statics requests a second or so
[16:57] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: I think i will try a smaller swap partition
[16:57] <svenstaro> not too shabby
[16:57] <Softnux> can't connect to the pi now
[16:57] <svenstaro> wasnt me :P
[16:57] <Axman6> svenstaro: what server?
[16:57] <Softnux> kernel panic
[16:57] <svenstaro> Axman6: dunno ask Softnux
[16:58] <Axman6> snap
[16:58] <Softnux> What did you do?! :D
[16:58] <svenstaro> standard synflood
[16:58] <Axman6> heh
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, thats a 128MB swapfile.
[16:58] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: for me the default 256mb swap partition takes forever
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, scrap it and use a 64MB file.
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, unless you really really need it, I don't think there's much point in having more...
[17:00] <blkhawk> ya
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, and if you really need it, things are going to go as slow as a slow thing anyway!
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[17:00] <svenstaro> Softnux: so usage probably did spike but you didnt get any updates from top :P
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[17:00] <blkhawk> i know - thats what the image comes with
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, I deleted the swap parittion and expanded the rest to fill.
[17:00] <Softnux> up again at
[17:00] <svenstaro> what I take from this: dont DOS a pi
[17:00] <Softnux> care to retry?
[17:01] <svenstaro> sec
[17:01] <Softnux> monitoring it using hdmi this time
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> it really should be no better or worse than any other Linux box- although there are lots of kernel tweaks and firewalling you can do to help mitigate attacks.
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[17:04] <svenstaro> Softnux: using a proper load tester this time
[17:04] <Softnux> have you started+
[17:04] <svenstaro> nay
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[17:04] <svenstaro> still compiling that tool :P
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[17:06] <dan_> hey guys quick question; what video player can access the hardware acceleration required to playback HD video?
[17:07] <svenstaro> Softnux: going
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> this is cool: http://www.aonsquared.co.uk/raspi_voice_control
[17:07] <Softnux> 18%
[17:07] <Softnux> 22
[17:07] <Softnux> 17
[17:07] <trevorman> dan_: xbmc can
[17:07] <Softnux> 32
[17:07] <Softnux> 61
[17:08] <Softnux> 2
[17:08] <dan_> trevorman: is it in the repositories?
[17:08] <svenstaro> Softnux: woah I'm getting timeouts from you now :P
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[17:08] <Softnux> down at 1% again
[17:08] <svenstaro> yeah I stopped at the timeouts
[17:08] <trevorman> dan_: no idea. I use OpenELEC for XBMC on the RPi. raspbmc also exists as well.
[17:09] <svenstaro> at around 30 requests a sec I had 7 seconds per request
[17:09] <Softnux> still usable for small personal projects
[17:09] <dan_> trevorman: ah so i cant just run it in debian then?
[17:09] <Softnux> 54%
[17:09] <svenstaro> Softnux: check again
[17:10] <svenstaro> what is your load?
[17:10] <svenstaro> your system seems clogged
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[17:10] <Softnux> didnt go over 55
[17:10] <svenstaro> but load average?
[17:10] <trevorman> dan_: you should be able to. raspbmc is built on top of debian iirc
[17:10] <Softnux> 16.8 right now
[17:11] <svenstaro> wuuut
[17:11] <svenstaro> you know that anything over 1 is bad? :D
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[17:11] <Softnux> NO idea
[17:11] <Softnux> caps
[17:11] <svenstaro> load average should be below < 1
[17:11] <svenstaro> if on component is at full load, load is increased by 1 exactly
[17:11] <Softnux> there actually three number there, 7.6, 5.2, 2.2
[17:11] <svenstaro> yes
[17:11] <svenstaro> leftmost is 1 minute average
[17:12] <svenstaro> middle is 5 min, right 15
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[17:12] <svenstaro> anyway, looks like your io craps out fairly quickly
[17:12] <Softnux> slowly going down now
[17:12] <svenstaro> obviously, it's an average :D
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[17:13] <Softnux> i really should get some caffeine in me
[17:13] <svenstaro> but it's only 17:11 in sweden
[17:13] <Softnux> my sleepschedula is pretty messed up
[17:13] <Softnux> schedule*
[17:14] <svenstaro> heh fair enough
[17:14] <Softnux> might try to find another sdcard and try xbmc
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> the load average is the number of jobs that are running, or have the potential to run..
[17:14] <svenstaro> any chance you put arch on it and give me ssh? :D
[17:14] <Softnux> just let me find another card
[17:14] <Softnux> microsd with adapter should work right?
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> so if apache forks 10 times and each is waiting on input, then the load might be 10 at that point.
[17:14] <svenstaro> sure
[17:15] <svenstaro> gordonDrogon: not entirely true, only if they are not giving the cpu any time during waiting
[17:15] <svenstaro> gordonDrogon: and apache does idle its threads
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> svenstaro, sure, but if they're all waiting for disk io, or the network, they get counted.
[17:15] <svenstaro> of course
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> it's a confusing metric as a processor intensive job can carry on almost full speed with very high load averages (sometimes)
[17:16] <svenstaro> in short, load tells you how much longer a task will take than under perfect circumstances
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> that's a good interpretation.
[17:18] <svenstaro> also modern systems cant indeed easily do 16 hardawre threads and carry on at the same speed as long as all the data is in RAM while compiling for instance
[17:18] <svenstaro> s/cant/can
[17:18] <svenstaro> so yeah, fairly confusing if you dont perfectly know the underlying hardware
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> add in a blocked NFS server into the equation and watch load average soar ;-)
[17:20] <svenstaro> I hate it when that happen
[17:22] <blkhawk> compared how unforgiving routers are to flashing errors the raspberry is impossibly forgiving
[17:23] <svenstaro> well that was a large part of the idea behind it wasnt it
[17:24] <jaxdahl2> iowait is a big indicator of slow performance
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[17:34] <Simon-> an io queue load average would be more useful
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[17:36] <gordonDrogon> you'd be introducing something new in the past 20 years though :)
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[17:43] <teKuru> isnt that what the "wa" part is after "id" in top, the processes waiting for the disk
[17:44] <teKuru> wa
[17:44] <teKuru> cpu is idle because it waits for IO to complete
[17:44] <teKuru> not quite the same thing but its a good indicator if you have IO bottlenecks
[17:45] <teKuru> compile iostat and have all the info you need
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[17:46] <teKuru> at least in arch linux the package you want is called sysstat
[17:47] <teKuru> has iostat built in
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[18:06] <Gadgetoid_pnd> wow, it's strangle quiet in here...
[18:06] <Gadgetoid_pnd> ha... strangely
[18:07] <Gadgetoid_pnd> that was a disturbing error considering it was not the result of an auto-correct
[18:07] <reider59> smell checkers do make mistakes
[18:08] <djazz> ^^ http://i.imgur.com/apOZo.jpg raspi on pstwo monitor
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> saturday afternoon in the UK - everyones goen to the pub pre-jubly celebrations :)
[18:09] <des2> Is the PS2 more powerful ?
[18:10] <dmsuse> hmm
[18:10] <djazz> des2: good question :)
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> http://people.usd.edu/~bwjames/humor/spell.html <- Ode to a spell chequer ..
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[18:20] <stealthii> des2: different. it's interesting, the Pi has many bottlenecks, yet other areas in which it is mighty impressive
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[18:20] <stealthii> nothing changes the fact it's 'new' hardware, so there's a lot of advantages to be gained
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[18:22] <SpeedEvil> http://bash.org/?950581 :)
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[18:41] <djazz> When running "startx": /tmp/.X11-unix has suspicious ownership (not root:root), aborting. Unable to connect to X server.
[18:41] <djazz> hm :/
[18:42] <djazz> I am connected through SSH to the device though
[18:46] <teKuru> i dontthink you can launch startx via a ssh session, i think in that case you need to set up x-window forwarding
[18:46] <teKuru> its an option within sshd's config
[18:46] <djazz> i didnt
[18:46] <djazz> i tried it physically
[18:46] <djazz> i do howerver have a VNC server to start on boot, but i closed that
[18:47] <mythos> so... chown root:root /tmp/.X11-unix does not help?
[18:48] <djazz> mythos: seems like it fixed it
[18:48] <djazz> yay
[18:48] <mythos> /)*
[18:49] <djazz> *(\
[18:49] <mythos> =D
[18:49] <kane77> I installed openbox xorg-xinit xorg-server xf86-video-fbdev but startx fails with no screens found.. any ideas..
[18:51] <djazz> anyone successfully get despotify to play music? it's all silent here
[18:51] <djazz> LXMusic plays just fine
[18:54] <nperry> kane77: is .xinitrc actually set to do anything and chmod'd?
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> djazz, you can't really startx when not on the console...
[18:55] <djazz> gordonDrogon: ofc not..?
[18:55] <kane77> nperry, let me check..
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> djazz, well - you can, but it's not really designed that way.
[18:55] <kane77> nperry, should I startx as "me" or as root?
[18:56] <nperry> kane77: as you!
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> if you want to run X applications and display them elsewhere, then you don't need to startx
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> so ssh -X pi, then when logged in, just type e.g. xterm, etc.
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[18:56] <Markavian> hello
[18:57] <djazz> gordonDrogon: i know..
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> ok...
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[18:57] <djazz> thats how i ran LXMusic,
[18:57] <Gadgetoid_pnd> djazz fail?d with despotify here, too
[18:58] <Markavian> any idea why my pi wont' output above 1824x984 on HDMI to my 1920x1080 monitor?
[18:58] <djazz> Gadgetoid_pnd: i read the comments on hexxeh's blog, im not the only one
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[18:59] <Markavian> I'm getting errors about gamma values not being available when I try and use xrandr to add different resolutions
[18:59] <Gadgetoid_pnd> Markavian have you tried setting the appropriate mode in config.txt?
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[19:00] <djazz> Markavian: Put this line in /boot/config.txt: disable_overscan=1
[19:01] <djazz> Markavian: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Big_black_borders_around_small_image_on_HD_monitors
[19:01] <Markavian> djazz, thanks, I'll try that now
[19:02] <djazz> and reboot
[19:02] <djazz> ^^
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[19:02] <jaxdahl> might future firmware support changing hdmi settings without having to reboot?
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[19:05] <Markavian> djazz, that worked, thanks :)
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[19:05] <djazz> lots of good stuff on elinux RPi wiki :)
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[19:06] <djazz> is it possible to reboot the RPi without replugging the power?
[19:06] <ReggieUK> should be able to type reboot in a console
[19:06] <Markavian> reboot from the terminal
[19:06] <djazz> that just shuts it off
[19:06] <djazz> it dont reboot
[19:06] <Markavian> hmm
[19:06] <djazz> "sudo reboot"
[19:06] <Markavian> I rebooted from lxde
[19:06] <ReggieUK> poweroff should just shut it off
[19:07] <ReggieUK> reboot should do just that
[19:07] <slacker> Hello, anyone know if I should see more than a single power light LED when I plug in without a SD card, should I see anything on the monitor? tnx
[19:07] <ReggieUK> well, in fact, poweroff just shuts down the cpu
[19:08] <djazz> slacker: nothing should happen
[19:08] <Markavian> right, next job... get synergyc to boot correctly when logging in
[19:08] <djazz> slacker: only the red light
[19:08] <djazz> "Pwr"
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[19:09] <djazz> Gadgetoid_pnd: I'm installing some alsa packages now, might work
[19:10] <Gadgetoid_pnd> djazz let me know if you crack it :)
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[19:10] <slacker> With an SD card in, will I see anything besides red light if the SD image is bad, anything on monitor? Is all the booting done from the SD so I'll see no indication of boot unless the image is proper on the card? (tnx)
[19:10] <neure> shutdown -r now
[19:10] <neure> i use that to reboot
[19:11] <slacker> I can't gt past the red light, yet :)
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> slacker, check your SD card back in the PC that wrote it. You should see the 1st partition with some files in it at least.
[19:12] <djazz> slacker: i had trouble with my first SD card image
[19:12] <djazz> try again
[19:12] <slacker> tnx gordonDrogon - I'll check my work because I dont see files, and I thought I should. Thanks everyone
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[19:15] <djazz> Gadgetoid_pnd: nope, still silent
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[19:16] <djazz> hmm, i dont get any output on composite video anymore, just glithes
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> djazz, did you get output before?
[19:16] <djazz> yeah
[19:17] <djazz> when i got back to the rpi it was just like that
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> screensaver kicked in?
[19:17] <djazz> aah xd
[19:18] <djazz> nope
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[19:18] <blkhawk> setterm -blank 0 is your friend ;)
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> turn it off & back on again ;-)
[19:18] <djazz> gordonDrogon: im compiling smth over SSH, I'll have to wait :D
[19:18] <bcgrown> Hi all. The debian image on the website doesn't have ssh enabled by default, does it?
[19:18] <djazz> bcgrown: nope
[19:18] <blkhawk> bcgrown: nope it doesn't
[19:19] <djazz> sudo service ssh start
[19:19] <blkhawk> and thats a PITA
[19:19] <bcgrown> Damn. I don't have a monitor :(
[19:19] <blkhawk> if you have no Keyboard ;)
[19:19] <stealthii> are you sure? I didn't specifically enable ssh on my Debian image, and ssh is running by default at this runlevel
[19:19] <bcgrown> Or if you have no monitor....
[19:19] <blkhawk> bcgrown: what are you using right now? a screeb reader?
[19:20] <bcgrown> Stealthii: I get a connection refused when I try it
[19:20] <bcgrown> Blkhawk: my Android phone
[19:20] <blkhawk> yes ssh is off by default
[19:20] <blkhawk> bcgrown: hum - tricky getting that to work as a monitor
[19:20] <djazz> blkhawk: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Cannot_ssh_in_to_Pi
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, do you have a usb keyboard?
[19:21] <blkhawk> bcgrown: you can grab raspbian - it has ssh on by default
[19:21] <nid0> you dont need a monitor or a keyboard to enable ssh, you can do it via the sd card when you first write it
[19:21] <bcgrown> Gordondrogon: yes.
[19:21] <slacker> nid0, good point on the SSH
[19:21] <nid0> just rename boot_ssh_enable.rc to boot.rc in the boot folder (which is presented to the host system when you put the sd card into a reader)
[19:22] <bcgrown> Nid0 thanks, I'll try that
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, if you can login blind you can type the commands to start it.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, login, pi:raspberry then type sudo /boot/boot_enable_ssh.rc
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> ah, you can do nid0's thing with the card in another device, of-course :)
[19:23] <bcgrown> Gordondrogon: I think renaming a file on the card will be easier
[19:24] <bcgrown> Fun fact: you can use a silver ESD bag as a stylus on a touch screen
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> Grr. Pesky udev. I hate you.
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> just put an SD card from one Pi into another and it's create eth1. Bah.
[19:24] <djazz> possible to use stereo output for audio?
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[19:24] <djazz> and set a different sound level than 35% or 202% (alsamixer)
[19:25] <djazz> other than*
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[19:26] <bcgrown> Nid0: my /boot is empty...
[19:28] <bcgrown> Nid0: nevermind, was looking in the wrong spot
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[19:32] <Markavian> any idea how to execute a command post LXDE loading to desktop?
[19:32] <bcgrown> Hooray, I'm in!
[19:32] <bcgrown> Now what should I do with it? Lol
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> Markavian, do you mean as part of the lxde startup?
[19:33] <djazz> bcgrown: make a VNC server!
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> Markavian, start an xterm and type the command in - but I suspect you want to automate it...
[19:34] <Markavian> yes, want to automate the command
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> Markavian, http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
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[19:34] <gordonDrogon> I googled for: lxde autoatart
[19:34] <bcgrown> Djazz: good idea. My uses for it are going to be mostly headless though I think
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> *autostart, etc. but you get the ide.a
[19:35] <bcgrown> At least to start
[19:35] <djazz> bcgrown: was quite hard to set it up, im not a pro linux user
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[19:36] <bcgrown> Djazz: really? I would've thought it would just be a matter of installing it
[19:36] <djazz> the guides i found didnt work
[19:36] <Markavian> gordonDrogon, thanks, giving that file another go, I tried that before but it didn't seem to work
[19:36] <djazz> bcgrown: installing: easy
[19:36] <djazz> but make it to autoboot
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[19:37] <bcgrown> Hmm I thought it would just install as a service
[19:37] <Markavian> wooh, progress
[19:38] <Markavian> my rpi boots with network keyboard/mouse support now
[19:38] <djazz> YAY html5 audio works on RPi!
[19:38] <djazz> bcgrown: you have to make a service
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[19:38] <blkhawk> djazz: really?
[19:38] <djazz> create some script in init.d
[19:38] <djazz> yeah
[19:38] <djazz> with tightvncserver
[19:39] <djazz> ofc you can SSH in and run "vncserver :1 -geometry 800x600 -depth 24"
[19:39] <djazz> and then connect to "raspberrypi:1"
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[19:40] <bcgrown> Djazz: lame! That should be done by the installer
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[19:40] <djazz> idd
[19:41] <djazz> bcgrown: can show you how I did
[19:41] <djazz> sudo nano /etc/init.d/vncserver
[19:41] <djazz> paste this: http://pastebin.com/aQ2cDU2z
[19:42] <djazz> then Ctrl+X, select yes, hit enter
[19:42] <bcgrown> Thanks... Not doing it right now though
[19:42] <djazz> then "sudo update-rc.d vncserver defaults"
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> what html5 browser?
[19:43] <djazz> when it should work
[19:43] <djazz> gordonDrogon: chromium, version 6.0
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> it fits???
[19:43] <djazz> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[19:43] <djazz> fits?
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I'm somewhat surprised...
[19:43] <mythos> /usr/X11R6/bin/? that's an old script you found *snickers
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[19:44] <djazz> mythos: idk, it works though
[19:44] <arfonzo> while chromium runs, it is pretty much unusable for me on 224 meg profile.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> no chromium-browser in raspbian yet.
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[19:44] <arfonzo> I compiled qupzilla, which was better. Still not a great experience tho.
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> have to say, it's not a machine for me to do web browsing with though.
[19:45] <arfonzo> in general I have stopped using X on the RPi
[19:45] <djazz> YES, installed node.js
[19:45] <arfonzo> exactly
[19:45] <Markavian> any idea how to expand the partition of the install, I ran sudo fdisk -l and df -h and it reprts as 4GB card (correct) but with only 2GB of used space, so I'm missing 2GB
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> and now I have my basci running fine on the console, no real need to run up X...
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> Markavian, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[19:45] <mythos> djazz, why do you want a vnc-only xserver anyway?
[19:46] <dmsuse> Markavian: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Manually_resizing_the_SD_card_partitions_.28Optional.29
[19:46] <djazz> mythos: so i dont have to physically log in
[19:46] <djazz> or can that be fixed?
[19:46] <arfonzo> mythos: I use xrdp to RDP into the RPi X server, it's headless. I don't think this scenario is so uncommon.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> heh the elinux wiki copied my stuff ;-)
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[19:46] <arfonzo> (xrdp similarly, uses Xvnc)
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[19:47] <gordonDrogon> I keep meaning to update that though.
[19:47] <mythos> arfonzo, and why do you need a headless xserver?
[19:48] <slacker> I has rasberrypi login :-) sweet!
[19:48] <arfonzo> mythos: if you want to run X for some reason, and your computer is headless?
[19:49] <Markavian> dsmuse, gordonDrogon thx again, reading thorugh now
[19:49] <djazz> "sudo shutdown -r now" didnt reboot :/
[19:49] <arfonzo> just because it's headless doesn't mean you can't run X applications, or don't need to.
[19:49] <OmIkRoNiXz> anybody running raspberrypi from micro sd ?
[19:49] <mythos> arfonzo, let me ask different: what is your usecase?
[19:50] <blkhawk> OmIkRoNiXz: I am
[19:50] <arfonzo> mythos: everything. Anything I use X for, is done via RDP. I tend to work with headless machines whenever I can.
[19:50] <[SLB]> try init 6 to reboot
[19:50] <blkhawk> have tons of em
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[19:50] <OmIkRoNiXz> blkhawk and is it stable with your micro sds?
[19:50] <blkhawk> OmIkRoNiXz: why wouldn't it be?
[19:50] <mythos> arfonzo, ok, you wont answer the question. i'm fine with that ;)
[19:51] <arfonzo> eh? what more of an answer did you want? do you want me to start listing apps?
[19:51] <OmIkRoNiXz> blkhawk dunno tried 3 micro sd cards and they doesnt work, once booted from 8GB class 10 and never again :)
[19:51] <mythos> arfonzo, one app that needs x on a headless server would be fine, yes
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> try simply typing reboot, or halt to reboot or halt... keep it simple. these are all installed.
[19:51] <arfonzo> mythos: xterm
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[19:52] <mythos> arfonzo, ssh
[19:52] <mythos> arfonzo, +screen
[19:52] <blkhawk> maybe use a different adapter?
[19:52] <arfonzo> I didn't say it needs headless, I said, I work with headless computers, that's all. I don't think this is uncommong.
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[19:52] <OmIkRoNiXz> blkhawk maybe
[19:52] <djazz> booting the rpi is slow, it sits and wait on the "Setting up console font and keymap" line like forever
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> I have a couple of dozen 'headless' computers, but I don't run X on them, nor X apps... ssh or serial console...
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[19:53] <arfonzo> I have one monitor here, and a lot of headless machines. I don't want to flip the monitor to different computers, so I RDP in... I am confused as to why this is even an issue?
[19:53] <OmIkRoNiXz> blkhawk strange what can be wrong with adapter :)
[19:53] <mythos> arfonzo, using xterm to get a shell on a headless server... therefore ssh was invented
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> he headless machines are 300 miles away :)
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> actually... before ssh there was rsh.
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> and telnet..
[19:53] <jaxdahl2> http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,400,1028&Prod=ZEDBOARD expensive toy..
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[19:54] <arfonzo> mythos: I didn't say I don't know what ssh is, or that I use X all the time. I said, again, I use RDP to connect to X, when I need to use X... I think you may be reading too much into this. Personally, I prefer tmux and ssh, no X.
[19:54] <mythos> arfonzo, no, it is not an issue. there are plenty valid usecases for that setup. and i was only interested in yours. not more not less ;)
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[19:55] <arfonzo> mythos: cool, well, yeah, my use case is more or less "everything". I try to be as headless as possible here...
[19:55] <mythos> arfonzo, xterm was only a... funny answer
[19:55] <Markavian> rebooting with the extended partition
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[19:55] <arfonzo> mythos: I don't tend to use X a lot, but when I do, I start xterm, heh. A sign that I prefer console, I suppose.
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[19:56] <mythos> arfonzo, yeah, ok =)
[19:56] <djazz> is there an easy way to compile/install a newer version of chromium than 6.0?
[19:56] <neofutur> gordonDrogon: seems expensive for a 2.4"
[19:58] <mythos> gordonDrogon> actually... before ssh there was rsh. <-- but it was not secure ;)
[19:58] <teKuru> in inittab c2 is defined as ttyAMA0, is that one of the gpio pins on the pi? (arch linux)
[19:58] <neofutur> gordonDrogon: is it HDMI of RCA or ?
[19:58] <stealthii> GLES/gl.h is normally provided by the libgles1-mesa-dev package - doesn't seem available in RPi debian, any suggestions?
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[20:00] <mastensg> stealthii: /opt/vc/include
[20:01] <teKuru> what does ttyAMA0 represent?
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[20:02] <stealthii> mastensg: awesome. thanks!
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[20:03] <Kripton> teKuru, first serial port (UART)
[20:03] <teKuru> tx, I just discovered the pinout page as well
[20:03] <teKuru> good to know there is a hardware virtual console
[20:04] <teKuru> would have come in handy when trying to figure out why none of my hdmi modes were working
[20:04] <stealthii> Kripton: what's the serial volt rating? 3.3V? 12V?
[20:04] <Kripton> stealthii, 3.3V
[20:04] <stealthii> absolutely brilliant. happy days
[20:04] <teKuru> its defined as 115200 in inittab too
[20:04] <teKuru> (and cmdline)
[20:04] <Kripton> stealthii, take a look: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[20:06] <trevorman> teKuru: huh? whats wrong with your HDMI?
[20:07] <teKuru> I come from an arch linux world so I tried that image first. the pi would boot but I had no video out
[20:07] <teKuru> I had to remove all hdmi settings in config.txt to get video out
[20:07] <Markavian> cool, got my raspi extended to fill the 4GB SD card ok and set up a swap file
[20:07] <teKuru> autodetection of my 1280x1024@60 worked at that point
[20:08] <trevorman> what happens?
[20:08] <teKuru> i tried on 2 hdtvs, a 22" monitor with hdmi and a hdmi>dvi adapter
[20:08] <teKuru> no detected video signal on any of my devices, not even an "inavalid mode" message or anything
[20:08] <jaxdahl2> one thing that's catching new people is that group=0 for CEA and group=1 for DMT on newer firmware instead of group=1 and group=2
[20:09] <jaxdahl2> so when people try group=1 for CEA they're actually in DMT mode
[20:09] <trevorman> teKuru: I had to increase the HDMI drive voltage slightly on my RPi for it work reliably
[20:09] <stealthii> thanks Kripton.
[20:09] <trevorman> I think its more a problem with the monitor I'm using it on though but if you've tried it on that many devices then its probably not this
[20:09] <teKuru> this is the first ive seen of that change
[20:09] <trevorman> is your cable really long or cheaply made?
[20:10] <teKuru> its an amazon basics hdmi>dvi cable they sent me for free with a motherboard i bought
[20:10] <teKuru> it works fine now that i am not manually setting the hdmi mode
[20:11] <teKuru> I only used that for one test, the other three monitors were a straight hdmi cable
[20:11] <Markavian> next task: change hostname
[20:11] <teKuru> when I run tvservice it spits back proper modes and if I set one of those now it works fine, I just think setting a mode in the default distribution of the os doesn't make sense
[20:11] <teKuru> I cant be the only person to have this issue
[20:12] <Markavian> think I'll name this one rico
[20:12] <teKuru> also having overscan be the default is a bit sillty too ;)
[20:12] <jaxdahl2> teKuru, submit a patch
[20:12] <trevorman> teKuru: oh right. autodetect should be the correct config. not sure why its got a mode set.
[20:15] <teKuru> Once I cleared that up things have been running swimmingly
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[20:17] <PhonicUK> hey all
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[20:19] <tech2077> ooh, adafruit has a nice case
[20:20] <tech2077> even with a idc cable slot cutout
[20:20] <teKuru> when its back in stock :/
[20:20] <PhonicUK> I wonder how fast I can emulate a x86_64 machine on my Pi
[20:20] <teKuru> heh
[20:21] <neofutur> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/06/01/new-product-gpio-ribbon-cable-for-raspberry-pi/
[20:22] <tech2077> simple IDC cable
[20:22] <neofutur> this is what I need to use those lcd modules ?
[20:22] <IT_Sean> No, that cable is for the GPIO
[20:23] <neofutur> but the gpio links posted early tell nothing about hdmi or rca . . .
[20:23] <neofutur> how do they connect to the pi ?
[20:23] <IT_Sean> That's because you don't attach displays via GPIO
[20:23] <neofutur> s/gpio/lcd modules
[20:23] <tech2077> IT_Sean, what about beablebone dvi
[20:23] <tech2077> connects through gpio
[20:24] <IT_Sean> There is a connector on the pi for an LCD module, said module isn't released yet
[20:24] <neofutur> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/24-tft-colour-lcd-module-p-267.html
[20:24] <neofutur> this one for example
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[20:24] <neofutur> RGB means RCA ?
[20:24] <SpeedEvil> No.
[20:24] <tech2077> neofutur, no
[20:24] <IT_Sean> No
[20:24] <trevorman> tech2077: its not GPIO. its got HDMI on the expansion connectors in the beaglebone.
[20:25] <neofutur> so how is it possible to connect thisone to the pi ?
[20:25] <trevorman> well video not HDMI
[20:25] <PhonicUK> is there a dpkg argument to tell it to ignore the package architecture?
[20:25] <trevorman> neofutur: connect what
[20:25] <neofutur> (21:18) <+ neofutur> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/24-tft-colour-lcd-module-p-267.html
[20:25] <mjr> --force-arch. Though IIRC apt doesn't like those being installed.
[20:25] <neofutur> that
[20:25] <neofutur> its not a hdmi or rca display ?
[20:26] <tech2077> you could use a low bandwidth SPI graphics display
[20:26] <trevorman> neofutur: you directly drive it using an 8 bit bus
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[20:27] <trevorman> you could drive it from the RPi expansion connector but you'd need to write all the code yourself
[20:27] <tech2077> they made it hard for us though
[20:27] <tech2077> you have to manipulate the pins individually
[20:27] <trevorman> well maybe. its 8 data lines + a quite a lot of control lines.
[20:27] <neofutur> ok, will need a driver
[20:27] <trevorman> you'd need to repurpose the SPI, I2C and possibly the UART pins
[20:27] <neofutur> but would be conected to the connector on the pi for an LCD module
[20:28] <neofutur> ?
[20:28] <tech2077> they didn't make it the first 8 gpio, that would mean you could just write a char to the register
[20:28] <trevorman> neofutur: no
[20:28] <neofutur> where would this be connecter ?
[20:28] <trevorman> the DSI connector is for DSI displays only. that isn't one.
[20:28] <trevorman> the expansion connector
[20:28] <neofutur> ok, many thanks ;)
[20:28] * neofutur trying to explore all the options for display
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> The DSI connector is for looking at, and wishing there was a DSI display driver.
[20:29] <tech2077> neofutur, a simple 8 bit color nokia screen over spi should be usable, and not hard to get working
[20:29] <tech2077> maybe even possible to get a tty over
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[20:30] <trevorman> if I wanted to use that specific display then I'd add some cheap uC inbetween and drive it via SPI or possibly I2C
[20:31] <trevorman> the uC can do all the actual handling of the data + control lines. the RPi would just tell it what you want done.
[20:31] <PhonicUK> hmm
[20:31] <PhonicUK> libtinfo5 is missing from the repos :\
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[20:32] <tech2077> don't use gpio for a parallel bus, not being able to write in series to the register should be slowing it down, not to mention a small pain
[20:33] <trevorman> you'd use up pretty much all your GPIO pins also
[20:34] <tech2077> spi display would be easy, just wondering how you would pipe a tty over to it
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> Create an appropriate tty driver
[20:36] <PhonicUK> does anyone have a Win32 "Hello World" binary to hand?
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[20:36] <trevorman> wonder why those specific GPIO pins were chosen. there are loads of unused GPIOs on the SoC which aren't connected to anything at all.
[20:36] * tech2077 cringes at the sight of Win32
[20:36] <tech2077> i wonder myself
[20:36] <trevorman> there must be a reason for it even if its just easier routing...
[20:37] <tech2077> trevorman, likely to lower the number of pcb layers
[20:37] <PhonicUK> tech2077, I'm sorting out Wine on my Pi
[20:37] <hamitron> wine? :|
[20:37] <PhonicUK> yup
[20:37] <tech2077> PhonicUK, hows that working out
[20:37] <PhonicUK> not sure yet
[20:37] <tech2077> sounds horrible
[20:37] <blkhawk> PhonicUK: traditionbal calc or notepad are used for that
[20:37] <tech2077> emulation and api layer
[20:37] <PhonicUK> blkhawk, I want something that doesnt depend on X
[20:38] <PhonicUK> tech2077, indeed
[20:38] <trevorman> tech2077: guess so. the pinout of the connector is odd as well with the DNCs.
[20:38] <PhonicUK> qemu user for the emulation, Wine for the API layer
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[20:38] <blkhawk> its twice as fast because its emulated twice
[20:38] <blkhawk> :D
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[20:40] <tech2077> O^-awesome efficiency
[20:40] <PhonicUK> Wine isn't an emulator :P
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[20:44] <PhonicUK> nearly there...
[20:44] <PhonicUK> finished unpacking everyhing now
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[20:46] <PhonicUK> bleh
[20:46] <PhonicUK> i need too many other components
[20:46] <PhonicUK> need an entire chroot to make this work
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[20:49] <PhonicUK> i thought qemu translated library calls and not just kernel calls
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[20:49] <djazz> wow, quake3 is running smooth on raspi :D
[20:50] <Markavian> has anyone seen a guide for accessing windows shares from the raspberry pi?
[20:50] <PhonicUK> djazz, you running raspbian or debian?
[20:50] <djazz> debian
[20:50] <Markavian> I've found a few scraps of info so far
[20:50] <PhonicUK> Markavian, I can take you through it in about 2 seconds
[20:50] <PhonicUK> Markavian, sudo apt-get install cifs-utils
[20:50] <Markavian> PhonicUK, sure :)
[20:50] <djazz> im using pak0.pk3 file from q3a demo XD
[20:50] <PhonicUK> is the first thing you need
[20:50] <Markavian> doing that now
[20:50] <Markavian> done
[20:50] <PhonicUK> Markavian, after that you need to create a directory to use as the mount point
[20:51] <PhonicUK> so mkdir /mnt/share
[20:51] <PhonicUK> as root ofc
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, hi - scrolling back - think your refering to the oled/lcd displays? They're parallel/serial access not video
[20:51] <Markavian> done
[20:51] <PhonicUK> Markavian, then do:
[20:51] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: yeah it was a 8 bit parallel display
[20:51] <neofutur> gordonDrogon: yup it was the link you posted, i wondered how this could connected
[20:51] <PhonicUK> mount -t cifs //192.168.x.x/sharename /mnt/share
[20:52] <neofutur> so it needs a driver and connected to the expansion port
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, need to use the gpio and poke data to them.
[20:52] <PhonicUK> it'll ask for login details as appropriate
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[20:52] <neofutur> gordonDrogon: can be connected directly to the gpio ?
[20:52] <trevorman> if its 3.3V
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, sure - I've done similar on Arduinos.
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, no reason why not. (the ones I looked a were 3.3v)
[20:53] <neofutur> 21:16) <+ neofutur> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/06/01/new-product-gpio-ribbon-cable-for-raspberry-pi/
[20:53] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: tech2077 brings up a good point anyway. the GPIOs aren't sequential so writing/reading is going to be annoying. you'd need to a ton of bit operations then write across multiple addresses to make it work.
[20:53] <neofutur> (21:16) <+ neofutur> this is what I need to use those lcd modules ?
[20:53] <neofutur> (21:16) <@ IT_Sean> No, that cable is for the GPIO
[20:53] <Markavian> PhonicUK, its asking for a password to do the mount, but not a username
[20:53] <PhonicUK> Markavian, do you need login details?
[20:54] <trevorman> neofutur: that cable is for the correct port but you'd need to adapter the pinout to fit your LCD. it won't just plug in.
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, all of these http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/lcd-displays-graphical-display-c-91_99.html are 3,3v
[20:54] <Markavian> PhonicUK, yes
[20:54] <PhonicUK> if so just add -o username=USERNAME to the end of the mount command
[20:54] <trevorman> s/adapter/adapt/
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[20:54] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, sure - but they work on a strobe basis - but yes, the parallel ones might be somewhat "sub optimal" when sending data!
[20:54] <neofutur> many thanks gordonDrogon ! one more answer ! I try to explore all the display possibilities !
[20:54] <Markavian> ok, the command ran, checking now
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, you won't run X up on those displays though - they're really intended for little embedded projects.
[20:55] <PhonicUK> gordonDrogon, http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/457/challenge.jpg
[20:56] <Markavian> PhonicUK, cool, that worked! thank you :)
[20:56] <PhonicUK> Markavian, no problem :)
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> PhonicUK, Er ....?
[20:56] <PhonicUK> gordonDrogon, I take it you're not familiar with that meme?
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[20:57] <PhonicUK> the text that goes with it is "Challenge Accepted"
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> PhonicUK, I guess not ...
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> OIC.
[20:57] <neofutur> gordonDrogon: a simple terminal for ssh and irrsi would be enough for me ;)
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, these displays are tiny ...
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[20:58] <blkhawk> hmmm
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> actually, if you want something cool - check this: http://sites.google.com/site/libby8dev/fignition
[20:58] <trevorman> neofutur: if you want a terminal then buy a small LCD or possibly a TV if you're okay with the lower resolution
[20:58] <blkhawk> so far no luck playing video with omxplayer
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[20:58] <blkhawk> anyone got a file that sgould work?
[20:58] <neofutur> http://www.crystalfontz.com/product/CFAF800480C1050T
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> that's an 8-bit micro with an 8-key keypad capable of 'typing' everything.
[20:58] <neofutur> this one is the same type right ?
[20:58] <trevorman> neofutur: those LCDs you're looking at are more for small status displays in embedded devices
[20:59] <neofutur> the biggest i found, 800x480 , 5"
[20:59] <blkhawk> neofutur: cost?
[20:59] <trevorman> neofutur: that LCD won't work for the RPi
[20:59] <trevorman> also its expensive
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, that's a biger display with a digital RGB interface.
[21:00] <trevorman> you need 30+ pins to drive it
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, what is it that your actually looking for?
[21:00] <neofutur> ( true its exemsive, 80$ , for the same price i bought a http://www.dealextreme.com/p/pl8006-portable-8-color-lcd-monitor-tv-w-ypbpr-vga-input-47-870mhz-55245 )
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[21:01] <gordonDrogon> so your just after a small monitor?
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> get a tv :)
[21:01] <neofutur> just exploring all the display possibilities
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[21:02] <neofutur> gordonDrogon: the one i bought, link above, is a small cheap tv with rca ;)
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[21:02] <neofutur> but i still want to understand more on all the display options
[21:02] <neofutur> I think it will be an important poit for thousads of new pi users
[21:03] <neofutur> and I try to gather information on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/viewforum.php?id=5
[21:03] <trevorman> just find the cheapest LCD with DVI/HDMI
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, sorry. I really don't have the resources & time to follow any forums other than the raspberypi.org one right now.
[21:04] <neofutur> all the one with hdmi were nearly 2x more expensive than the rca i foud
[21:04] <neofutur> found
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> the more forums there are, the more dilution of information there will be. )-:
[21:05] <neofutur> gordonDrogon: np ;) you dont have to follow it, just saying i m trying to gather refine information
[21:05] <neofutur> i do it on my personal forum where i can edit my posts
[21:05] <neofutur> gordonDrogon: I just hate the official forum ;(
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[21:06] <trevorman> neofutur: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824176238
[21:06] <neofutur> trevorman: yup real cheap ! but big screen
[21:07] <trevorman> if you don't mind refurb then http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824176247 is even cheaper
[21:08] <neofutur> not what I need ( too big ) but intereting links i ll add on my forum/wiki ;)
[21:08] <trevorman> a cheap psone LCD would also work
[21:08] <Softnux> I'm guessing the one from deal extreme will get stuck in the customs, atleast in sweden that's another $15 or so
[21:08] <neofutur> and those are hdmi ?
[21:08] <trevorman> no. composite
[21:09] <trevorman> Softnux: thats after dealextreme take 3 weeks to get around to shipping your order
[21:09] <neofutur> composite means RCA ?
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[21:09] <Softnux> hehe
[21:09] <trevorman> yes. "RCA" is actually the plug. composite video is the signal on that RCA plug/socket
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[21:09] <neofutur> I fear the display will be very blurry on a big screen with RCA , am I right ?
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[21:09] <gordonDrogon> RCA is Radio Corporation of America.
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> they made lots of stuff.
[21:10] <neofutur> and shouldnt it be better on a small 5 ich ?
[21:10] <trevorman> neofutur: its not going to be particularly sharp
[21:10] <trevorman> psone LCDs are small
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> however outside the US they're not typically called RCA connectors - usually phono.
[21:10] <neofutur> also the motorola atrix lapdock seem to be very good option for the pi
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> Composite video is the signal and is now carried on co-ax cable with phono connectors, but BNC connectors are still common.
[21:11] <trevorman> bnc for video is usually pro gear though
[21:11] <trevorman> not seen that on consumer equipment in many many years
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> The BBC Micro has a BNC connector.
[21:12] <trevorman> many many years :P
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> My apple II has phono connectors..
[21:12] <neofutur> Softnux: I also fear the peruvian customs will bug me for this ;(
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[21:14] <trevorman> neofutur: see if you can get a http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-PSONE-PLAYSTATION-LCD-SCREEN-SCPH-131-94017-NIB-/120924518734?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item1c27a9b94e locally
[21:15] <trevorman> only composite though :P
[21:15] <djazz> oops, touching the raspi resulted in kernel panic
[21:15] <djazz> heh
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> djazz, static zap?
[21:16] <djazz> i guess
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> or wet fingers :)
[21:16] <djazz> was just feeling how hot the cpu was
[21:16] <djazz> must have touched smth :)
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[21:20] <djazz> http://pic.twitter.com/CzFuAAqI
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[21:23] <gordonDrogon> djazz, Excellent!
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[21:25] <djazz> gordonDrogon: it's old, some wrong colors, but it still looks like the real thing!
[21:26] <djazz> how to make other quake3-based games use the GPU of the raspi?
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> djazz, I have a steamer trunk full of lego - don't open it nearly often enough...
[21:26] <djazz> tried to run tremulous, it failed asking for OpenGL (not from x)
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[21:27] <djazz> gordonDrogon: build one with bigger scale
[21:27] <djazz> ^^
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> maybe... it's mostly technic / robotics..
[21:27] <Softnux> make it more so, place a RPi in it
[21:28] <djazz> :D
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[21:30] <djazz> http://djazz.mine.nu/lab/raspi_three/
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> Sorry, your graphics card doesn't support WebGL
[21:31] <djazz> ah its broken, upgraded Three.js
[21:31] <djazz> nvm the link
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> what?
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[21:33] <djazz> gordonDrogon: it dont work even with webgl, the three.js file dont support a function i used
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[21:37] <djazz> the page should now work
[21:37] <djazz> requires WebGL
[21:37] <neofutur> trevorman: this ps one display would be easy to plug to the pi ?
[21:38] <neofutur> its hdmi ?
[21:38] <trevorman> ...
[21:38] <neofutur> (22:09) <+trevorman> only composite though :P
[21:38] <neofutur> ah rca
[21:39] <neofutur> 5 inch, not sure its better than the one i ordered
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> 5 inch too small...
[21:39] <neofutur> not much more expensise + its a full tv
[21:39] <neofutur> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/pl8006-portable-8-color-lcd-monitor-tv-w-ypbpr-vga-input-47-870mhz-55245
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> I think I might see what my local shops have in the way of portable TVs.
[21:39] <neofutur> and 8 inch ;)
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> 7-8 inch might be OK.
[21:39] <trevorman> neofutur: yes but you might be able to find a psone LCD locally unlike the dealextreme one which will take forever to ship and then forever to actually arrive
[21:40] <neofutur> yup i ll probably wait 1 month to have it
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[21:40] <neofutur> but i ll also wait weeks for my pi
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> currently using 11.5" monochrome monitor for testing..
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[21:40] <neofutur> i could order it 2 weeks ago after waiting 3 months at rs
[21:40] <Markavian> ahh, that's nice. got a file window and a terminal to boot on my raspi by default at load
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> as seen here: http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg ;-)
[21:40] <neofutur> I want something i can use in the bed
[21:41] <neofutur> ssh and irssi are enough
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, get a laptop and ssh into the Pi :)
[21:41] * neofutur tired of spending 16 hours on a chair
[21:41] <neofutur> yup, good point
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[21:41] <neofutur> but making it with the pi will be more ffun ;)
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> sure...
[21:41] <hamitron> so you can spend 23 hours in bed instead? :/
[21:42] <neofutur> also with the pi and a small solar panel . . .
[21:42] <neofutur> can be everywhere
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> my basic application uses SDL and that's quite slow over ssh...
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> big solar panel...
[21:42] <neofutur> after exploring all the disply options i ll try to eplore all the solar panel options
[21:42] <neofutur> not so big
[21:42] <neofutur> wait a minute i have some links
[21:43] <neofutur> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/40210
[21:43] <neofutur> this one seems to be the best choice
[21:43] <neofutur> 5 volts , officialy 4200 Ah
[21:43] <neofutur> should be ok for the pi nop ?
[21:43] <neofutur> at this price i could even buy 2
[21:44] <blkhawk> erm
[21:44] <blkhawk> I doubtr it will deliver enough curret in full sunlight to run the pi
[21:44] <blkhawk> the battery will eventually run empty
[21:44] <blkhawk> 1.6W photocell
[21:44] <blkhawk> close but no cigar
[21:45] <ReggieUK> it's marginal whether it'll deliver enough power with the battery
[21:45] <neofutur> so I have 2
[21:45] <hamitron> it can power the r-pi a few mins a day then
[21:45] <hamitron> ;)
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> batter is ok, but need a bigger solar panel
[21:45] <neofutur> one is charging while i empty the other
[21:45] <neofutur> but 5v and 4200 ah is ok ?
[21:45] <ReggieUK> will the pi cope at 4.8v?
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> well - if the battery can supply 700mA.
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, might get away with 4.8v, but it depends on any usb peripherals, I guess.
[21:45] <neofutur> and officially its 4200mA
[21:46] <trevorman> you'd need more than 2 if you want to do that. it takes 14-20 hours to charge and thats assuming reasonable amounts of sun.
[21:46] <neofutur> even if he gives only half of that its good ?
[21:46] <mkopack> Output voltage: 4.8~9V (selectable steps: 4.8V, 5.8V, 8.4V, 9.0V)
[21:46] <mkopack> - Output current: 400~800mA
[21:46] <ReggieUK> yeah but that's just the battery capacity
[21:46] <mkopack> thats iffy
[21:46] <ReggieUK> dc output as mkopack has pointed out is marginal for powering a pi
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> I suspect sun quantity might be OK for neofutur
[21:46] <neofutur> ah yes battery capacity
[21:46] <blkhawk> better buy a cell, the battery and a chargeciruit seperately
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[21:46] <neofutur> yup Output current: 400~800mA
[21:47] * hamitron will just plug his into the mains
[21:47] <hamitron> with a transformer that is
[21:47] <hamitron> ;/
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> if the Pi takes 700mA, then a 4200 mAH battery will last 4200/700 hours = 6 hours
[21:47] <neofutur> someone told me 5.8 would not be a problem for the pi
[21:47] <mkopack> That unit probably won't cut it??? The V is a bit low, and the current level is REAL tight for those limits
[21:47] <ReggieUK> its debateable whether 700ma is enough
[21:47] <mkopack> whoever told you that can't read.
[21:47] <blkhawk> neofutur: do the math
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> however the panel will not charge the battery at that rate - so get a bigger panel. as big as possible.
[21:48] <trevorman> I wouldn't put 5.8V into the RPi
[21:48] <ReggieUK> when you consider a usb keyboard can be asking for 500ma from the usb
[21:48] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: 14-20 hours according to the page
[21:48] <mkopack> The RPF said point blank, don't go above 5.2V input
[21:48] <blkhawk> neofutur: the voltage regulator on the board will need to dissipate the .8v
[21:48] <ReggieUK> and > 5.25v is a no no for the pi too
[21:48] <neofutur> and 4.8 would not work ?
[21:48] <blkhawk> it will probably get hot since its small
[21:48] <ReggieUK> sorry, 5.2*
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, charging time - yes 14-20 hours, so get a bigger panel!
[21:48] <mkopack> it MIGHT, but it's probably a bit TOO low...
[21:49] <mkopack> Basically we were told 4.8-5.2V is about the limits??? And just because something SAYS it produces 4.8 doesn't mean it ACTUALLY puts that otu. If it's just a tad low, Boom, reboot
[21:49] <ReggieUK> 4.8 according to the wiki should be ok
[21:49] <mkopack> or drop off
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> I'd pick a higher voltage and include a DC-DC convertor to take it to 5V.
[21:49] <hamitron> not a good idea to run a battery near its limit anyway, it won't be at peak efficiency for long in its life
[21:50] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: thats a bit redundant - the pi has a regulator
[21:50] <blkhawk> its labeled rg2
[21:50] <neofutur> ( its still useful if it gives me 2 hours / day / panel )
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[21:50] <blkhawk> neofutur: you need to be able to control when the pi runs tho
[21:51] <neofutur> but if you find better than this solar panel, feel free to query me
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, not a 5V regulator though?
[21:51] <neofutur> I havent ordered it yet
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[21:51] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: thewre is a 5v and a 3.3v one on there
[21:51] <blkhawk> i can check
[21:51] <neofutur> its just the best quality/price i found until now
[21:52] <ReggieUK> blkhawk, that looks like 3.3v reg?
[21:52] <blkhawk> ReggieUK: look at rg1
[21:52] <ReggieUK> lm117 3.3v?
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> neofutur: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160814107426
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, there is a 1.8, 2.5 and 3,3 regulators...
[21:52] <ReggieUK> and 1.8 for rg1
[21:52] <neofutur> the solar panel is probably the second most important thing for me after the display , for my pi
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> See pg1 of the schematic..
[21:52] <ReggieUK> don't need the schematic :D
[21:52] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: ah i forgot we have access to those ;)
[21:52] <neofutur> ( yes i m mad I have not even yet received my pi ;)
[21:52] <trevorman> the 5V line is used to power the USB sockets and regulators but it also does connect directly to the SoC also
[21:53] <ReggieUK> you can read the values off the chip
[21:53] <mkopack> neofutur: hehe, guess I shouldn't mention that I have 3 :)
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> The Pi dies at around 4V
[21:53] <neofutur> rs should send it within days, but it will probably tak ages to reach Peru
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> - stops working that is.
[21:53] <Habbie> but it may start doing weird things long before you hit 4v
[21:53] <trevorman> so even if your USB devices and the regulators are okay with a higher voltage, the SoC might not be so keen about it
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[21:53] <gordonDrogon> that's why I'd use a 5V dc/dc convertor on the input from the battery...
[21:53] <neofutur> mkopack: after buying one on rs i just "registered interest" on element14 for a second ;)
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> you can get some quite efficient ones now too - not just an old lm7805!
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> The regulator - the 3.3V one - from memory - has a 6.0V max voltage
[21:54] <blkhawk> rg1 is 1.8v actually ;)
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> but what about the usb keyboard being powered off the 5V supply that's now at 5.8...
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[21:54] <SpeedEvil> Also - the input protection diode will conduct and melt if you overvoltage it
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[21:56] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, yea, D1 is a transient suppressor that ought to trip above 5V..
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> er, D17.
[21:56] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: many phonecragers are slightly above 5v
[21:56] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: it shouldn't melt
[21:56] <blkhawk> trevorman: itndeed it should explode
[21:56] <trevorman> eh?
[21:57] <trevorman> it shouldn't explode either
[21:57] <blkhawk> cause explosions are awesome :)
[21:57] <trevorman> not unless you're really going nuts with the voltage
[21:57] <blkhawk> ya not my plan either
[21:57] <blkhawk> i am more for undervolting
[21:57] <djazz> meh, got a kernel panic, when doing nothing
[21:57] <blkhawk> djazz: i had one too - did you OC?
[21:58] <djazz> OC?
[21:58] <djazz> overclock?
[21:58] <blkhawk> ya
[21:58] <djazz> no..
[21:58] <djazz> was using SSH
[21:58] <blkhawk> what distro are you running?
[21:58] <djazz> debian
[21:58] <blkhawk> hmm
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: It will likely melt.
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: Or explode.
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> didn't touch it again, did you?
[21:58] <blkhawk> I only had a panic earlier with raspbian
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: Consider that there is a 1.4A polyfuse there. So, it's got 5W or so of spare heat it can produce
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> I must admin, I have 2 kicking about my carpet here - which is an old and nasty synthetic one..
[21:59] <djazz> gordonDrogon: no XD
[21:59] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: the TVS diode should conduct and the polyfuse should go high resistance
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: It's rather unlikely it can safely dissipate this.
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: At (say) 7V in.
[21:59] <trevorman> we got a BOM for the RPi?
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: At 5.6V (say) in, it will 'just' conduct about an amp, and rapidly melt.
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, we have the circuit diagram...
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[22:00] * SpeedEvil wants a proper BOM.
[22:00] <neofutur> ReggieUK: since the channel logs are already public
[22:00] <neofutur> can you confirm its ok if i post some interesting log extracts on my forum ?
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[22:00] <gordonDrogon> Where's the ka BOM?
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[22:01] * gordonDrogon waits for the Earth shattering ka BOM.
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> neofutur: Technically, you'd need permission of every person in the log, to be clear in every jurisdiction.
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[22:01] <neofutur> but http://srv.datagutt1.com is already in the topic ;)
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> In practice, few people are likely to object.
[22:01] <neofutur> and a nick is not linked to a real identity . . .
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> Nicks can be linked to real identities.
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> mine's pretty obvious...
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> It would take a few minutes work to get back to my ID, for example.
[22:02] * neofutur /msg nickserv info gordonDrogon
[22:02] <teddyb> any idea if its possible to control the lights on the pi
[22:02] <neofutur> /msg nickserv info gordonDrogon
[22:02] <teddyb> i want to turn them all off
[22:02] <ReggieUK> not sure how it would actually be my choice
[22:02] <ReggieUK> it's data collected by datagutt
[22:03] <D34TH> sigh, /msg nickserv info D34TH
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: That does not mean that that site has authorisation to log anyones output.
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[22:03] <neofutur> first log extract was about the lcd modules : http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/viewtopic.php?pid=20#p20
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> Nor that anyone has a licence to reproduce that content.
[22:03] <ReggieUK> no but as I don't own this channel, I don't see how it would be my choice still either way :)
[22:03] <neofutur> and i ll ad one on the solar panels discussion
[22:04] <djazz> anyone know a video player that uses raspi's GPU? for smooth video playback
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[22:04] <neofutur> D34TH: 2010, better than gordonDrogon :p
[22:04] <djazz> maybe from DVD/USB
[22:04] <teddyb> irc logs are great
[22:04] <neure> is it ok to unplug hdmi while raspberry pi is running
[22:04] <D34TH> they reset ot
[22:05] <D34TH> it used to be 2009
[22:05] <neofutur> imo as long as people are warned in the topic
[22:05] <neofutur> i think its legit to have full logs
[22:05] <neofutur> its bad if people are not warned
[22:05] <ReggieUK> you would, you want to use the logs :D
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[22:05] <neofutur> + logs allow fun and useful things like pisg : http://otclogs.ww7.be/bitcoin-otc.week.php
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[22:05] <teddyb> wouldn't mind if the logs were excluded from search engines
[22:05] <ReggieUK> from a users point of view, I log anyway
[22:05] <chancellorsmith> i can view images from command line with the command fib name.jpg -- nice
[22:06] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: shouldn't blow up. can't find the exact TVS used as I can't really see the logo very well on this but the specs for the littelfuse version say it'll be okay
[22:06] <chancellorsmith> now can I ssh in and still have the pics on the telly box ?
[22:06] <neofutur> for anything technical, logs are useful for new users to find information
[22:06] <chancellorsmith> telly read tty1
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: Sure it blows up.
[22:06] <neofutur> having a problem i ve been saved more thn once by a technical discussion logged and referenced on google
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: If you apply enough voltage to get on the knee, but not enough to trip the polyfuse, it blows up.
[22:06] <chancellorsmith> telly is tty1 that is and i'm ssh'd from my mac into the pi
[22:06] <ReggieUK> neofutur, not necessarily, if you don't know what to search for you'll never find the info
[22:06] <neofutur> sure you still need the good keywords
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> back inna bit. I have some bread to make.
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> Logs have problems in that they can be searched for undesired data later.
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> Perhaps 10 years in the future.
[22:07] <chancellorsmith> maybe my question relates to accessing the frame buffer from ssh??? can you do that ?
[22:08] <neofutur> also . . .well . . . when people know the channel is logged, and logs are pulic . . .they tend to make less offtopic, troll nsfw . . .
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> For example - I'm quite willing to have most output I have logged - but accidental oopses - like posting ID numbers that can't be changed, and can be later searched...
[22:08] <neofutur> which helps the channel to have a better signal/noise ratio
[22:09] <SpeedEvil> As this is a publically logged channel - have some pussy action - http://b3ta.com/board/10779796
[22:09] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: you can look at the specs yourself if you want to. its a 5V SMBJ TVS. its got the correct KE code on it as well.
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[22:10] <trevorman> 5v is the reverse standoff voltage so anything higher and it'll start to conduct. maximum breakdown voltage is only listed as 7V though.
[22:10] <trevorman> I assume you would have fried the soc anyway if you put anything more than that in
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[22:11] <SpeedEvil> They do not have foldback.
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> So, if you apply enough to make them conduct, but not enough to trip the fuse, they can dissipate high currents for a long time
[22:12] <trevorman> littelfuse doesn't list what sustained would be like
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/Littelfuse_TVS-Diode_SMBJ.pdf
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> fig 5 - steady state power dissipation derating curve
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[22:15] <SpeedEvil> For short surges - fine - for long >several seconds - it's going to heat up dramatically - that ambient will be with the board held at that temperature
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[22:16] <trevorman> bleh. its underrated for the 1.4A fuse. no other model of TVS is correct though.
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[22:17] <SpeedEvil> Indeed. This is a relatively hard problem.
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> There are several ways to do it - none of which are very cheap
[22:18] <trevorman> the power input protection circuitry doesn't really do anything useful
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[22:18] <reider59> hi guys, went for a kip lol
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> It protects against some issues.
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> It's unfortunately not really enough to reliably protect against most.
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> hmm.
[22:19] <trevorman> if the RPi was a prepackaged boxed device which you're not supposed to experiment with at all then it'd be fine
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> I can't think of a comparable solution without adding ~40p.
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[22:22] <teddyb> how bad an idea would it be to leave a running pi in the bag?
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[22:22] <trevorman> I wouldn't
[22:22] <trevorman> the bag is slightly conductive
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> right. breads started.
[22:23] <teddyb> ahh ok
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[22:23] <SpeedEvil> teddyb: in the RS cardboard box would be fine though.
[22:23] <djazz> yes!!! im watching full hd on raspi
[22:24] <djazz> mp4
[22:24] <chnopsx> wow really? I had mine on the bag all this time
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[22:25] <gordonDrogon> anti-static isn't that conductive...
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[22:25] <Softnux> the LAN-controller is starting to get really hot, hurts if i keep my finger on it
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> don't put your finger on it then ;-)
[22:25] <Softnux> but but but
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> let me check mine..
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[22:26] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: depends on the type of bag. RS and farnell don't give you any guarantees as to what the antistatic bag is made out of so best not to
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[22:26] <djazz> omg, full hd with audio!
[22:26] <djazz> i think its mono
[22:26] <Softnux> djazz, what dist?
[22:26] <djazz> debian
[22:26] <Softnux> how?!
[22:26] <blkhawk> also what file
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> yea, they're a bit warm. 45, 46 and on one that was covered 50C.
[22:26] <djazz> using "omxplayer"
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[22:27] <D34TH> djazz better than no audio
[22:27] <Softnux> apt-get-able?
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> not personally worried about a LAN chip getting to 50C.
[22:27] <trevorman> ethernet phy chips get hot anyway
[22:27] <Softnux> I'm putting small heatsinks on later anyways
[22:28] <SpeedEvil> Putting heatsinks on is a bad plan
[22:28] <Softnux> how come?
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[22:28] <SpeedEvil> the chips are not designed to take random forces on them.
[22:28] <teddyb> if i could easlily and quickly get another one if i broke it id submerge my pi in oil
[22:28] <SpeedEvil> And the epoxy doesn't conduct well.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> both RS & Farnell bags > 2MOhms.
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> If you feel you must heatsink - put the heatsink on a thermally conductive pad on the bottom of the board
[22:29] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: not recommended still and you've no idea what the factory will do next week
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> Or add a small fan.
[22:29] <neofutur> SpeedEvil: thanks for the solar panel link, i ll dd it to my review, seems a good option, but its real big ( 100cm??166cm??4.5cm) , not easy to travel with it ;(
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, I've no plans to - just wanted to check.
[22:29] <Softnux> Probably just me beeing paranoid about heat
[22:30] <neofutur> SpeedEvil: i just seen your link while making my solar panel post, missed before
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> neofutur: Not being completely serious.
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> neofutur: Though it is cheap per watt
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> neofutur: It has the benefit that a couple of them, and some plastic make a _very_ waterproof tent.
[22:31] <Yngwiie> hi guys, just got my unit today and i have the dead ethernet and usb problem, can i do anything about it or should i just return it ?
[22:31] <neofutur> http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t22-small-solar-panel-Raspberry.html
[22:31] <neofutur> adding a post or the "big" solar panel
[22:31] <neofutur> yup good price for the power it gives for sure
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> Yngwiie: does it boot - and display something on the hdmi?
[22:31] <Yngwiie> yes it works except for the ethernet and usb
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> :/
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> I've stuck a temp. probe on one. now to make it do some work.
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> hmm.
[22:32] <Yngwiie> there is a topic of 3 pages for the same problem on the forum, seems like quite a few people are having it
[22:32] * SpeedEvil realises that it's possible that due to teh design, they can't simply not populate the ethernet bit.
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> Which is a pity.
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> They've actually gotta respin the board for the other model.
[22:33] <ReggieUK> neofutur, are you talking about that solar power thing being a good price?
[22:33] <ReggieUK> it might be a reasonable price but it just won't do the job faithfully enough to b recommending it
[22:34] <reider59> the one day a year we get the sun in the UK may be a problem ;-)
[22:34] <djazz> wanna play HD movies on your raspi? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=74221#p74221
[22:34] <Markavian> we've had like 2 weeks worth already, 24+oC days and its only just June
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> reider59: I wasn't actually kidding about the solar panel - that is actually the size you need if you want to run a pi 25*7
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> (in scotland)
[22:35] <Markavian> its BETTER when its cool
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> 24*7
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> 2 Pi's flood pinging each other wth 1400 byte packets..
[22:35] <Softnux> djazz, ty!
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> 210W
[22:35] <djazz> :)
[22:35] <ReggieUK> and not many people will want a 210w panel just to power a pi
[22:36] <teddyb> how much power does the little thing use?
[22:36] <reider59> wonder if the military would use the Pi. It would come pretty sharp fired out of a rocket
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> 5 watts.
[22:36] <Evie> I thought it was specced for (model b) 5V, 700ma
[22:37] <Evie> At least with the supply requirements
[22:37] <teddyb> so it wont be a big hit on the electric bill
[22:37] <ReggieUK> that's just the pi though, not including stuff that requires a powered usb hub to run
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> it's charging the batteries to keep it going for a few days of cloud that's the big issue...
[22:37] <Evie> Yeah, a powered USB hub adds a bit more, and depends on the accessories you'd like to run
[22:38] <ReggieUK> the 4.2mah battery thing that neofutur posted is just woefully inadequate to deal with lack of sun, so you're pretty much out of power some time during the evening
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> well temp on one ethernet chip is only 41 (direct contact probe), the other 43 (IR thermometer)
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[22:39] <reider59> small case and a fan, I can see that being next
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> reider59, really. I'd not bother.
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> they're not getting hot at all.
[22:40] <reider59> neither will I but someone will no doubt
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[22:42] <chancellorsmith> got my pi to speak to me when it detects movement via the webcam. still crackles though
[22:43] <reider59> one of my external boxes has an LCD panel in it, a hardrive and a scab board with temp sensors on it. That has a fan at the back I wired in and it makes a hck of a racket. Thank god I don`t need the small drive in it any more and can use the LCD Panel without the switch at the back
[22:43] <chancellorsmith> boringly it says "movement detected"
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> Coin detected in pocket ...
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> you may not be old enough to remember that ...
[22:44] <chancellorsmith> fraid i'm not
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> old arcage video game - when you lost, about 10 saconds later it would speak in a sort of roboti voice: Coin detected in pocket ...
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[22:45] <chancellorsmith> haha, ok gotcha
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[22:45] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ektxaqu_V4k
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[22:46] <Yngwiie> so if i run the rpi for 1 month non stop it will add .50 cents to my electrical bill :)
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[22:47] <SpeedEvil> ish.
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[22:47] <SpeedEvil> Here a watt is a pound a year.
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[22:47] <SpeedEvil> (pretty much)
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[22:48] <Ben64> sounds expensive
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> I used 10% less energy this winter compared to last, yet my bill was 10% more )-:
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[22:53] <eggy> Hello :)
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> hi
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[22:55] <Yngwiie> anyone know what is the Farnell return policy, will i have to return the faulty unit ?
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> is it faulty?
[22:55] <Yngwiie> i am wandering since i want to try and fix it, but not if that will void warranty
[22:55] <Yngwiie> yeah it is
[22:56] <Yngwiie> ethernet and usb not working
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> I'd get on the phone to them...
[22:56] <eggy> Who actually has one in here;)
[22:56] <fakker> <
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> I have ....
[22:56] <Markavian> I do
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[22:56] <Markavian> I'm on it now, spent all afternoon configuring it for my home network :)
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[22:56] <Yngwiie> i cant get on the phone with them until Monday, and i have no patience :)
[22:56] <teddyb> i do too
[22:56] <eggy> I have one too; got it a few days ago.
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> mondays a bank holiday in the UK - are you elsewhere?
[22:57] <Yngwiie> yeah i am in Bulgaria
[22:57] <reider59> so is Tuesday
[22:57] <Markavian> Ynwiie what's the problem with the USB, I had a few keyboards that mine wouldn't recognise
[22:57] <teddyb> ive had farnell reply to me at night
[22:57] <Markavian> I got driver code errors on screen, but I switched it for a diff keyboard and it was fine
[22:57] <Yngwiie> jeez, wekk i might just get the soldering iron out and buy a new one if i screw it up completely :)
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> if both usb & ethernet is down it's probably a real issue as both fed off the same thing.
[22:57] <eggy> Don't they have local distributors?
[22:57] <teddyb> worth a shit emailing them
[22:57] <teddyb> *shot
[22:58] <teddyb> woops
[22:58] <Markavian> yeah the Ethernet is wired in as a USB device
[22:58] <teddyb> dark in here
[22:58] <Yngwiie> Markavian: the problem is that the keyboard does not work and the ethernet does not work as well, the LAN leds do not light up on the switch on the device too
[22:58] <Yngwiie> yeah i read that the problem is most probably related to the X1 crystal
[22:59] <kwerk> brb
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[22:59] <Yngwiie> a few people got it working by just reheating the joints, but i dont want to risk it before speaking with Farnell
[22:59] <eggy> Is there any reason for the SD errors on boot up? -- there seems to be quite a lot of them.
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[23:00] <Markavian> Yngwiie, might be worth demanding a replacement, and send yours back so they can take a look at it
[23:00] <Yngwiie> yes i will do that, but looks like it will be on Wednesday
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[23:01] <gordonDrogon> eggy, does it boot eventually? ight be the SD card - some work, some don't.
[23:02] <eggy> Sure it boots eventually; just a bunch of errors are on the screen and it takes a bit
[23:02] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[23:03] <gordonDrogon> there is a page on the wiki with card types.
[23:03] <Markavian> aww, no debian ARM support for curl
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> apt-get install curl
[23:03] <Markavian> failed
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[23:03] <gordonDrogon> eggy, however, have you updated the kernel? That may help..
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> root@pi0:/home/gordon# apt-get install curl
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> Reading package lists... Done
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> Building dependency tree
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> Reading state information... Done
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> The following extra packages will be installed:
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> libcurl3
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[23:03] <eggy> yes, I used Hexxeh's script to update firmeware/kernel
[23:03] <Markavian> Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_0.9.8o-4squeeze7_armel.deb
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> curl libcurl3
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded.
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> Need to get 586 kB of archives.
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> After this operation, 913 kB of additional disk space will be used.
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> do an apt-get update
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> then apt-get upgrade
[23:04] <Markavian> yeup, doing that now
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> then try installing it.
[23:04] <Markavian> doing that now :)
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[23:05] <Markavian> I found webbrowsing really slow, so gonna try commandline downloading
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[23:05] <eggy> oh well, guess I won't worry too much. Least it starts :D
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> eggy, actually, that happened to me and the kingston cards I have - after upgrading I got errors...
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> eggy, I tried different SD cards - Sandisk Ultra' and they're fine.
[23:06] <eggy> hm - I cou;d move to my trandsend cards, those are usually fine
[23:06] <eggy> with my other devices
[23:06] <neofutur> ReggieUK: it depend of your need ( for the solar panel )
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[23:07] <neofutur> if you need a small panel you can carry with you and need 2 hours power / day
[23:07] <neofutur> its not so bad ?
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[23:07] <blkhawk> neofutur: the trouble is the device you showqed us has very low efficient solar panels
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[23:08] <neofutur> reider59: here in cusco at 3500 meters altitude, air is cold, but sun is hard ;)
[23:08] <blkhawk> so you carry mnore weight than you need for your 2 hours
[23:08] <blkhawk> heh
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[23:08] <D34TH> 32C outside
[23:08] <D34TH> D:
[23:08] <blkhawk> 18C here
[23:08] <blkhawk> but its night
[23:08] <D34TH> trade
[23:09] <McGooch> Anyone know how to resize the partitions on the SD card from OXS?
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[23:09] <neofutur> Dimensions: 5.04 in x 3.15 in x 0.63 in (12.8 cm x 8 cm x 1.6 cm)
[23:09] <neofutur> Weight: 13.26 oz (376 g)
[23:09] <chnopsx> it's cooled down a lot here, but I'm still pretending it's summer, sitting here in my shorts :D
[23:09] <neofutur> i can carry 4 of them
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> McGooch, you can do it live on the Pi.
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[23:09] <neofutur> on my backpack for the sun
[23:09] <D34TH> my computer is 43 C
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> McGooch, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
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[23:10] <blkhawk> neofutur: so - the solar cell is still low efficiency because its basically made from the stipes used in the low cost solar lamps you see everywhere
[23:10] <McGooch> GordonDrogon, really? Using gparted or something?
[23:10] <D34TH> outside and my pc almost have the same temp
[23:10] <neofutur> here its never more than 14C , but you burn under the sun
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[23:10] <gordonDrogon> McGooch, simpler - just a few commands - see that link.
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[23:10] <neofutur> blkhawk: find me better for a small portable panel ;)
[23:10] <D34TH> here its never less than 28C and you fry instantly
[23:10] <neofutur> I spent hours serching already
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[23:11] <neofutur> and feel all free to contribute on r.pi.gw.gd/f40-Solar-Panel.html
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[23:11] <McGooch> reading it now
[23:12] <blkhawk> neofutur: easy get an old CD case - and 2 panels
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[23:12] <D34TH> fun time, i work on solar panels for the local schools
[23:12] <blkhawk> dealextreme has readymade charger/voltage upconverters
[23:12] <neofutur> I ll update the OP if better options are found
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[23:12] <Markavian> I think I just crashed my pi
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[23:13] <eggy> I did too; x is being annoying starting
[23:13] <eggy> had to pull the power :p
[23:14] <blkhawk> lets see if i can find all the parts for mine in my electronics box
[23:14] <Markavian> anyway, curl installed now
[23:14] <eggy> lingers quite a while making the keymap for some reason
[23:14] <eggy> dunno why
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[23:18] <blkhawk> can't find the crage controller
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[23:19] <D34TH> blkhawk what country are you in
[23:19] <blkhawk> germany
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[23:21] <blkhawk> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9oVf3BhB1vKGOCoMLC6lta_-XP0M-SQp_1eyFQM-Udc?feat=directlink
[23:21] <DoubleVision> nice
[23:21] <blkhawk> I am moving and can't find the cgarger or the lipo battery i wanted to use - but these panel? and the upconverter is what i plan to use as a power source
[23:22] <D34TH> that looks like direct panel to usb with some conversion
[23:22] <blkhawk> the panels are rated at 30ma @ 12v
[23:22] <blkhawk> ah no
[23:22] <D34TH> got a diagram?
[23:22] <blkhawk> panel -> charging circuit -> lipo battery -> upconverter
[23:23] <D34TH> http://www.solar-electric.com/sg-4.html
[23:23] <blkhawk> yoiu can buy all of the electronics at dealextreme for pennies
[23:23] <blkhawk> a bit.... overpowered
[23:23] <blkhawk> and expensive
[23:23] <D34TH> meh
[23:23] <blkhawk> mine was like 1.50USD
[23:23] <D34TH> if its worth being made its worth being overmade
[23:24] <blkhawk> the panels only deliver about 200ma at 5V
[23:24] <blkhawk> would get me 1 hour of raspberry for every 3 hours of sun
[23:25] <neofutur> and the sie of a cd case
[23:25] <neofutur> size
[23:25] <D34TH> http://store.sundancesolar.com/flexible-solar-3-watt.html
[23:25] <neofutur> but no battery, you dont need a battery it will feed the pi realtime ?
[23:26] <D34TH> i think thats next on the list
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> Hm. dealextreme appears to have a UK warehouse, but not a UK shop to take monies in ?.
[23:26] <D34TH> blkhawk where is your float charging
[23:26] <notfunk> are there any commercially available Raspberry Pi cases yet?
[23:27] <notfunk> cases/enclosures*
[23:27] <blkhawk> D34TH: oh - this is not the comple setup - I am moving and stuff is everywhere
[23:27] <D34TH> ahh
[23:27] <blkhawk> the craging circuit i want to use and thebattery is missing from the picture
[23:27] <Markavian> go go haxe installation on rpi
[23:27] <blkhawk> they would be below the panels in the finished product tho
[23:27] <neofutur> notfunk: i gathered some links on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f23-Case.html
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[23:28] <D34TH> also fun fact
[23:28] <notfunk> neofutur, amazing! thanks for the link =)
[23:28] <D34TH> cool the panels
[23:28] <blkhawk> heh
[23:28] <D34TH> building them on a black cd case is a really bad idea
[23:28] <neofutur> and some people say its silly to make my forum :p
[23:28] <blkhawk> D34TH: good tip
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[23:29] <blkhawk> the color of the case doesn't matter since its pointed to the ground
[23:29] <D34TH> if you can encapsulate them even better
[23:29] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: I don't think its physically possible for dealextreme to ship something fast even if the warehouse was right next door
[23:29] <neofutur> notfunk: but for noew a good case is more expensive than the pi ;(
[23:29] <blkhawk> sooo its more efficient at radiating heat since its black ;)
[23:29] <D34TH> the color of the case matters because what is exposed will catch and hold heat
[23:29] <blkhawk> D34TH: when its fone only the panels will get sun
[23:30] <blkhawk> thinking about how to cool them tho.....
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[23:30] <notfunk> neofutur, makes sense =(
[23:30] <blkhawk> maybe some fold out stand
[23:30] <blkhawk> D34TH: actually black radiates more heat than a white case would :D
[23:31] <D34TH> white is generally cooler because it reflects all color
[23:31] <D34TH> black absorbs color
[23:31] <blkhawk> yes
[23:31] <D34TH> light will turn to heat
[23:31] <D34TH> heat = bad for panel
[23:31] <blkhawk> i do not dispute the point
[23:31] <blkhawk> yes
[23:31] <blkhawk> i am not a retarded person :P
[23:31] <D34TH> i didnt think so
[23:31] <blkhawk> but i have no white cd case
[23:31] <D34TH> then it will do
[23:31] <blkhawk> you were repeating yourself
[23:31] <D34TH> :D
[23:32] <blkhawk> ya :D
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[23:32] <D34TH> just make sure to calculate for chargeloss due to heatr
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[23:32] <blkhawk> thinking about ways to allivate it
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[23:33] <D34TH> enacpsulate with mineral oil
[23:33] <D34TH> and a fan underneath
[23:33] <blkhawk> what was the link for the papercraft raspberry case?
[23:33] <blkhawk> i have thing PCB plastic sheets
[23:33] <blkhawk> thaw will make a nice case
[23:33] <blkhawk> D34TH: doesn't sound too portable
[23:33] <D34TH> hmm
[23:34] <D34TH> 1.5 cm bigger than panel
[23:34] <D34TH> sealed
[23:34] <D34TH> well actually 2.5 mm
[23:34] <D34TH> if your good
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[23:35] <D34TH> and you can drop the mineral oil and just have a good fan
[23:35] <blkhawk> i think i will just make a foldout that seperate the panels from the case
[23:35] <blkhawk> so the case is below the panels with an airgap
[23:35] <blkhawk> and the panels are at a few degrees when folded out
[23:35] <blkhawk> maybe 3?
[23:36] <blkhawk> then put low profile aluminium coolers on the back
[23:36] <blkhawk> the war mair should generate airflow and thus limit the heat
[23:36] <blkhawk> warm air*
[23:36] <hagg> reider59, SpeedEvil: fyi, i tried it with a friend, rewrote img to sdcard, changed everything else (psu, cords) and i had another problem: sth like "mmc0: could not get sd card parameter" and later endless loop with sth like "mmc0: waiting for hardware interrupt". that was fixed with another sdcard. just at home again, will try tomorrow how the new sdcard works with my PSUs and cords...
[23:37] <D34TH> blk i wouldnt count on it too much but its worth a shit
[23:37] <D34TH> **shot
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[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> why can't people spell 'shot' today!?
[23:37] <D34TH> i and o are next to each other
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[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> teddyb> *shot
[23:37] <blkhawk> D34TH: the anels simply do not generate enough power to justify the overhead of a few mah for a fan
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[23:38] <blkhawk> a 12v fan would eat at least 15ma
[23:38] <blkhawk> or even more in fact
[23:38] <blkhawk> 50ma
[23:38] <blkhawk> the panels only generate 30ma
[23:38] <blkhawk> times 2
[23:39] <blkhawk> sooo
[23:39] <blkhawk> efficiency must drop by at least say 1/3 before a fan makes sense
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[23:41] <Decepshun> Hello....I am trying to reformat my sd card but it won't let me reformat the whole thing...I can't even reallocate the whole card through disk management
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> Decepshun, are you trying to reformat it when running on the Pi?
[23:43] <Decepshun> no...just through a sd card slot in windows. I am just trying to reinstall the image back onto it using win32diskimager
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> ok. I know nothing about windows - maybe someone else can help..
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> off t obed now anyay:)
[23:44] <teKuru> looking into using diskpart via command line to "clean" the sd card
[23:45] <teKuru> itll can all partitions and then you can use the disk manager mmc snapin to reinitialize it and create one giant partition
[23:45] <teKuru> *look into
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[23:45] <blkhawk> diskpart is a giant pile of poo
[23:45] <teKuru> only if you dont know how to use it
[23:45] <teKuru> elsewise itll solve every problem you have with a disk in windows
[23:45] <blkhawk> teKuru: i am not disputing that it works
[23:45] <teKuru> including clearin it from uefi mode back to gpt
[23:46] <kwerk> Is there an official channel I should be going to? :D
[23:46] <Decepshun> I figured I could just extend the volume through disk management but nop
[23:46] <Decepshun> diskpart?
[23:46] <teKuru> nah you need a third party app to do that
[23:46] <teKuru> some exist but cost $$
[23:46] <blkhawk> however i think its an error to build a commandline interface that works with natural language
[23:46] <teKuru> we're all allowed our own opinions
[23:46] <blkhawk> Decepshun: have you tried turning it on and off again?
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[23:48] <reider59> ok hagg, good luck, was on phone. Must be my birthday early this year, son rang
[23:48] <Decepshun> several times...I have already tried to reformat and everything...I just want to restore the sdcard back to default
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[23:48] <blkhawk> do you have a linux pc handy?
[23:49] <blkhawk> :D
[23:49] <reider59> I formatted my card in my camera, worked perfectly after that
[23:49] <Decepshun> ofc not
[23:49] <Decepshun> hrm...camera...I will try that
[23:49] <blkhawk> also you cold use the raspberry
[23:49] <hagg> reider59: good thing is: now i know the rpi itself is working :)
[23:49] <blkhawk> just delete all partitions
[23:49] <blkhawk> and restart
[23:50] <reider59> nice one hagg, some progress. hope you get there
[23:50] <hagg> everything else are just details ;)
[23:50] <Softnux> I'm impressed! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21686804/rpi.mov
[23:51] <blkhawk> nice
[23:51] <blkhawk> omxplayer did not work for me
[23:51] <blkhawk> did you use something else?
[23:51] <Softnux> nope
[23:51] <Softnux> omxplayer
[23:51] <Softnux> worked without problems
[23:51] <blkhawk> debian?
[23:51] <Softnux> yes
[23:51] <blkhawk> 4-19?
[23:51] <Softnux> 4-19?
[23:51] <blkhawk> did you do a dist-upgrade?
[23:51] <McGooch> wow, somehow changing the kbd mapping doubled my boot times
[23:51] <Softnux> nah, the default image + extenden memorycard
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[23:52] <blkhawk> debian6-19-04-2012
[23:52] <Decepshun> Haha....reformating using the camera worked... :boggle:
[23:52] <Softnux> blkhawk, yes, that one
[23:52] <blkhawk> Decepshun: the diskman of windows sometimes cannnot handle some partitions
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[23:53] <blkhawk> a cameras os is to retarded to care so it just works ;)
[23:53] <reider59> camera is a good trick ;-)
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[23:53] <Softnux> blkhawk, what exactly did not work?
[23:54] <blkhawk> Softnux: the videos i tried did not show any picture
[23:54] <Softnux> odd
[23:54] <datagutt> ReggieUK
[23:54] <blkhawk> i was asking about what videos people had tried earlier
[23:54] <datagutt> you there
[23:54] <datagutt> ?
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[23:54] <Softnux> i just boot and do a omxplayer file.mkv
[23:54] <Softnux> without starting x
[23:55] <blkhawk> thats what i tried
[23:55] <blkhawk> i have some flv files i know should work
[23:55] <blkhawk> because i encoded them
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[23:58] <Softnux> I only get sound in the left speaker, is this a hardware limitation?
[23:59] <Decepshun> just turn your head ;)
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