#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-03

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[0:04] <Softnux> works now for some reason :D
[0:08] <blkhawk> Softnux: so what video are you using
[0:08] <Softnux> As in wich episode of Game of Thrones?
[0:09] <Softnux> Video codec omx-h264 width 1280 height 720 profile 100 fps 23.976025, Audio codec ac3 channels 2 samplerate 48000 bitspersample 16
[0:10] <blkhawk> oki
[0:10] <blkhawk> I can compare that
[0:10] <Softnux> Ah, I can start videos SSH, I live this gadget!
[0:10] <Softnux> via*
[0:10] <Softnux> love*
[0:11] <blkhawk> :)
[0:11] <blkhawk> yes
[0:11] <blkhawk> I was wondering if that was my error
[0:11] <blkhawk> it seems like it wasn't
[0:12] <Softnux> Now if I can just figure out how to up the brightness
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[0:27] <neofutur> notfunk: still here ?
[0:27] <neofutur> I found 2 new links for case
[0:28] <neofutur> better and cheaper ;) updated the case links post
[0:28] <neofutur> the 2 first links on adafruit are probably the best options
[0:28] <Softnux> where's the post?
[0:29] <blkhawk> well
[0:29] <blkhawk> I am making a punnet case
[0:29] * Mike632T (~system@host31-53-241-254.range31-53.btcentralplus.com) has left #raspberrypi
[0:29] <blkhawk> but out of thin abs plastic instead of paper
[0:29] <neofutur> http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f23-Case.html
[0:30] <reider59> I`m waiting for someone to start selling a clear case I saw in the forum. In the meantime I downloaded a yemplate and made one out of photographic paper, then laminated it. Cut it up and folded it, cut out the slots etc and it works for now.
[0:30] <Softnux> reider59, http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
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[0:30] <neofutur> the shapeways one is cool but more exensive than the pi itself ;(
[0:31] <reider59> thx, seen that one before, looks good.
[0:31] <neofutur> if you find other links / better case, please query me or post o the forum i ll update the OP
[0:31] <reider59> The one I`m after should be a fiver and sent from the UK
[0:33] <trevorman> shame there aren't any mounting holes on the RPi
[0:33] <blkhawk> you can easily add some
[0:35] <trevorman> add some?
[0:35] <blkhawk> ya
[0:35] <Softnux> http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/power-drill-1.jpg
[0:36] <blkhawk> but yest aside i can see several ways to mount a rasberry securely
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[0:37] <blkhawk> sor instance one could solder a mounting pracket to some of the plugs or their gnd contacts
[0:39] <Softnux> http://www.axiris.be/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44:enclosure-for-raspberry-pi-computer&catid=20:enclosures&Itemid=49 migt get this one
[0:40] <reider59> That looks pretty good
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[0:40] <Softnux> never mind, cost as much as the RPi
[0:40] <neofutur> hum this mini keyboard sems cool
[0:40] <neofutur> https://www.adafruit.com/products/857
[0:40] <ReggieUK> you'd think tehy'd try and make the case so the sd card doesn't poke out of the side
[0:40] <ReggieUK> or poke out so much
[0:41] <neofutur> probably eating less power than a normal keyboard
[0:41] <trevorman> the power would be oddly recessed though
[0:41] <ReggieUK> doesnt' have to be
[0:41] <Softnux> It isn't spring loaded so it pretty much has to stick out
[0:41] <ReggieUK> just means they have to rethink how to do that end
[0:41] <ReggieUK> I've seen plenty of devices where the card socket isn't sprung but it doesn't stick out that far
[0:42] <neofutur> Softnux: but theres no price yet on http://www.axiris.be/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44:enclosure-for-raspberry-pi-computer&catid=20:enclosures&Itemid=49 ?
[0:42] <Softnux> 15.29 Euro
[0:42] <ReggieUK> you'd be able to take the card out of the pi in that case with boxing gloves on
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[0:42] <Softnux> Press Buy Online
[0:42] <neofutur> ( they should enable rewrite rules to have clean urls . . . )
[0:43] <neofutur> showing the joomla url . . .
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[0:44] <trevorman> nice looking case though
[0:44] <ReggieUK> https://www.modmypi.com/products.php
[0:44] <ReggieUK> those cases look better imho
[0:44] <ReggieUK> and cheaper?
[0:45] <Decepshun> balls....this pi don't like the 32gig sdcard I bought
[0:45] <Decepshun> is there a size limit?
[0:45] <chnopsx> 8gig ought to be enough for everyone
[0:46] <plugwash> AIUI there isn't a size limit per-se however it seems to be more modern cards that give trouble and large cards tend to be more modern
[0:46] <plugwash> exactly what issue are you having?
[0:46] <plugwash> and what kernel/firmware are you using?
[0:46] <trevorman> Decepshun: is it actually SDHC?
[0:46] <Decepshun> plugwash: I just get errors upon bootup and yes it is SDHC
[0:46] <Decepshun> when had the 8gig...it worked fine
[0:47] <ReggieUK> what errors?
[0:47] <plugwash> trevorman, at that size it has to be SDHC
[0:47] <Decepshun> allkinds :|
[0:47] <plugwash> as I asked before what kernel and firmware are you using?
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[0:47] <ReggieUK> helps if you post errors
[0:47] <ReggieUK> at somewhere like pastebin etc.
[0:47] <Decepshun> I can't exactly copy paste tho
[0:48] <trevorman> plugwash: there are 32GB SDXCs
[0:48] <ReggieUK> got a usb to serial adapter?
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[0:48] <ReggieUK> 3.3v
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[0:48] <Decepshun> not
[0:48] <Decepshun> no*
[0:48] <neofutur> Cases pre-ordered now will be due for delivery in June 2012
[0:49] <neofutur> for https://www.modmypi.com/products.php
[0:49] <neofutur> but yes they seem good at a good price
[0:49] <Decepshun> I had it all setup with the 8gig card....I imaged it...then wrote it on the 32gig card thinking it should bootup fine but nope
[0:49] <ReggieUK> I'd wait for one of those cases over the laser cut acrylic
[0:49] <trevorman> it not booting at all?
[0:49] <sraue> bootc, ping
[0:49] <Decepshun> it boots...just hangs up and doesn't give me a prompt
[0:50] <ReggieUK> well, you're going to have to do a little bit better with the error or where it hangs
[0:50] <trevorman> ah. you got the latest boot files and kernel?
[0:50] <Decepshun> its right from the debian imag file on the raspi site
[0:50] <neofutur> ReggieUK: I ll also wait, the Rpi world seems to be moving fast ;)
[0:51] <neofutur> and i havent even received my Pi yet ;(
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[0:51] <plugwash> Decepshun, the versions in the image are rather old IIRC
[0:51] <plugwash> not sure what the location is for the latest official ones, hopefully someone here can fill you in
[0:54] <CuriosTiger> Waiting for authenticate.rsdelivers.com
[0:55] <CuriosTiger> ...guess I don't get to order today either.
[0:57] <CuriosTiger> Heh, Availability Despatch expected in 8 week(s)
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[0:58] <CuriosTiger> ....what was the point of the whole mess with waiting lists and authentication codes if they still don't have them anyway?
[1:00] <ReggieUK> because there were other people in the queue before you that have recieved theirs
[1:03] <Softnux> took about ~2 weeks from the moment i got the "You are now able to place your order"-mail until i got it
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[1:09] <nid0> mine was just under 3 from rs, arrived this morning
[1:09] <nid0> (farnell one arrived about a month ago)
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[1:11] <Softnux> the actual shipping took 24 hours :P
[1:11] <Softnux> anyway, time for some sleep. laters!
[1:11] <SpeedEvil> Night.
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[1:13] <Decepshun> ok...so I got a screenshot of my error...I used the 8gig card I had working last night. now even it is acting up: http://i.imgur.com/Ij5z7.jpg
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[1:17] <nid0> thats a card thats previously worked fine?
[1:17] <Decepshun> yeah
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[1:17] <nid0> using a different power source?
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[1:18] <Decepshun> yup...I actually bought a new power source since the one I had was borderline
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[1:18] <Decepshun> interesting...I unplugged the ehternet, the keyboard/mouse and now it booted up fine
[1:20] <plugwash> time to get a multimeter on the test points and compare the voltages
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[1:21] <teKuru> neofutur: nice enclosure
[1:21] <teKuru> snagged one for good measure
[1:26] <neofutur> i ll probably order one too
[1:26] <Decepshun> all it was was this keyboard...interesting...it's brand new...now it boots fine
[1:27] <nid0> i've got an order in for 2 modmypi cases
[1:27] <reider59> issue 2 of the MagPi is out
[1:27] <reider59> http://www.themagpi.com/
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[1:28] <stealthii> Has anyone managed getting prboom working on the RPi? Running Debian image, latest firmware
[1:29] <reider59> I`ve just linked my forum to it, added Quake 3 link a few mins ago
[1:29] <reider59> no ttried Doom or Quake yet, just added the links so far
[1:30] <stealthii> Quake 3 required a recompilation (due to the new firmware) and works well, tried prboom from the debian repos, don't want to recompile if I can avoid it (compiling on the pi is damn slow)
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[1:31] <Decepshun> can someone recommend a mirror close to Ohio?
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[1:33] <scanf> hi, where can I get a raspberry pi?
[1:33] <scanf> i joined multiople waiting lists months ago
[1:33] <scanf> to no avail
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[1:33] <nacimmep> run while you still can
[1:33] <scanf> ?
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[1:34] <eggy> Are tun devices compiled into the kernel?
[1:35] <nid0> scanf, your choices are either continue waiting in line with farnell/rs assuming you registered with both, or ebay
[1:35] <nid0> unless you got your order/registration in on the first day you could still be waiting a while
[1:36] <neofutur> scanf: i also joined waiting lists onths ago
[1:36] <scanf> any ideas when they will be immediately available in any quantity
[1:36] <nid0> couple of months maybe
[1:36] <neofutur> http://authenticate.rsdelivers.com/
[1:37] <nid0> theyre apparently producing them in batches of tens of thousands now, but both rs and farnell received hundreds of thousands of orders/registrations of interest
[1:37] <neofutur> will finally ship me one within weeks
[1:37] <plugwash> scanf, noone really knows, AIUI it will be at least a month or so before the current backlog is cleared. When the backlog is cleared they will lift the one per customer restriction.
[1:37] <plugwash> at that point i'd expect a new backlog to form and afaict noone has made any attempt to work out how big that new backlog will be
[1:37] <reider59> I must admit, with the long wait, I did wonder if it was all a big con at one point-OK more than one. but I have to say it was well worth waiting for and as more people come on board I think this may really take off big style
[1:38] <eggy> \o/
[1:38] <neofutur> " this may really take off big style" <---- +1
[1:38] <Simon-> there'll definitely be multiple backlogs given that farnell and RS can't cope
[1:39] <nid0> it takes time to scale up production, none of this is especially suprising
[1:40] <reider59> I haven`t took up the offer of my second board so someone may get lucky lol
[1:40] <eggy> I might be selling mine -- who knows
[1:40] <nid0> you'd probably be better handing the code out to someone, if its an rs order
[1:41] <nid0> the fact that theyre sending out codes a good few weeks before theyre ready to ship suggests theyre giving people time before passing their code to someone else, so your code's gonna be sitting unused for a while
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[1:45] <blkhawk> i passed on my 2nd code to somebody else
[1:46] <blkhawk> I have another raspberry on order from farnell
[1:46] <blkhawk> funny thing is i ordered rthat one before i even "registered" my interest with rs online
[1:49] <stealthii> looks like Prboom doesn't have openglES, but there was work on that for the gp2x port. Might hash something out here, I'm assuming a few others would be friendly towards the idea of networked games of PiDoom
[1:49] <blkhawk> but the one from rs online got here before the one from farnell
[1:49] <nid0> mine was the other way round, ordered from both at about the same time, farnell one arrived nearly a month ago, rs one this morning
[1:49] <plugwash> the impression I get is that farnells ordering system was in such a mess during the launch that it ended up as more of a lottery than a queue
[1:50] <blkhawk> heh
[1:50] <blkhawk> that might explain it
[1:51] <blkhawk> my order went through half an hour after they enabled it
[1:51] <blkhawk> well 38 minutes
[1:51] <blkhawk> but still
[1:51] <eggy> heh - I just got my 05/30
[1:52] <blkhawk> rs or farnell?
[1:52] <eggy> farnell - US order.
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[1:56] <paul---> hi, is there any options for alternative power?
[1:56] <paul---> I dont currently have a micousb power supply thats strong enough, wanted to know if i could temp solder to some specific points to get this little thing going
[1:56] <blkhawk> wind? water? solar? fusion? geotermal?
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[1:56] <plugwash> The Pi needs 5V, it doesn't care whether you feed that 5v in via the power connector, the GPIO header or the testpoints
[1:57] <blkhawk> ya
[1:57] <paul---> sweet, where are the testpoints/gpio header pins?
[1:57] <blkhawk> use the gpio header thats probably easiest
[1:57] <blkhawk> paul---: the row of pins? see them?
[1:57] <paul---> the single row? or double row?
[1:57] <blkhawk> the dounble row
[1:58] <blkhawk> check the wiki under lowlevelhardware
[1:58] <paul---> ok will do ta
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[1:58] <plugwash> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[1:59] <blkhawk> plugwash: you were faster
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[2:00] <nid0> hah
[2:00] <nid0> pi works with no sd card
[2:00] <trevorman> once you've booted and nothing wants to access it sure :P
[2:02] <nid0> can rule out the "nothing wants to access it" bit as well, boot from sd card, replace root with an iscsi device with debian image on it, pull out sd card = still 100% working device
[2:02] <blkhawk> nid0: thats... the expected behaviour
[2:02] <trevorman> ^
[2:02] <paul---> so positive to 5v and -v to ground is this correct?
[2:03] <hotwings> the only protection is on the microusb port, correct?
[2:03] <trevorman> paul---: it a regulated 5V supply? checked that its exactly 5V?
[2:03] <trevorman> hotwings: yes
[2:03] <hotwings> might be worth mentioning to people trying to power it via gpio then :)
[2:03] <paul---> its 5v 2A from a chumby. I will check now what its coming out as
[2:04] <trevorman> only thing you shouldn't do is try to power it via the two USB sockets
[2:04] <trevorman> that + getting 5V mixed up with the 3.3V pin thats right next to it...
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[2:05] <plugwash> hotwings, overcurrent protection is only on the microusb
[2:05] <paul---> its currently coming out at 5.34 V
[2:06] <plugwash> that's a little on the high side but probablly ok
[2:06] <paul---> i'm happy to solder onto the microusb pin heads if this reduces risk?
[2:06] <paul---> just cant tell from the board itself which pin headers i'd need to solder onto
[2:07] * plugwash suspects the risk of screwing up trying to solder tiny pins is greater than the risk of going without the overcurrent protection
[2:07] <blkhawk> nomatter what i do i get no video
[2:07] <plugwash> If you are going to solder wires directly to the board i'd reccomend going for the test point holes not the GPIO pins
[2:08] <paul---> is that TP1 TP2?
[2:08] <plugwash> yeah, check the schematic to find out which is which
[2:09] <paul---> I dont mind trying the pin heads, i've done much worse on xbox360 boards :)
[2:09] <trevorman> you don't have any 5V USB chargers that are > 700mA?
[2:09] <hotwings> if you have the right tools, no prob
[2:10] <paul---> i've got iphone chargers?
[2:10] <paul---> is that going to cut it? it says 1A but i wasnt sure they are going to work
[2:10] <plugwash> another option is to just cut a USB to micro USB cable
[2:10] <blkhawk> paul---: just try it
[2:10] <plugwash> and solder your PSU to that
[2:10] <trevorman> iphone charger should be fine
[2:11] <trevorman> the RPi doesn't even have the data lines connected so it won't care about any USB charger signalling
[2:12] <paul---> when it's powered on for the first time should it have the OK light hit on? mine looks like it doesnt have enough power to light the OK up... so i dont think its getting enough power
[2:12] <trevorman> the OK light is software controlled
[2:12] <blkhawk> ya
[2:13] <blkhawk> its flickers with sd card access most of the time
[2:13] <trevorman> PWR should be on permanently. The others won't light up at all if you don't have a bootable SD card
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[2:13] <paul---> okay
[2:14] <paul---> so i guess i should make a bootable sd card then eh?
[2:14] <trevorman> yup
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[2:14] <eggy> my RPi booted fine with my iPhone charger.
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[2:14] <blkhawk> finally!
[2:14] <blkhawk> I needed more vmem
[2:14] <trevorman> blkhawk: hm?
[2:14] <trevorman> if you're doing anything with 3D or video decoding then you're stuck with the 128/128 split unfortunately
[2:14] <blkhawk> aparently 64mb of bmem is needed for video
[2:15] <blkhawk> trevorman: 192 works too
[2:15] <paul---> might try squeeze first then
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[2:16] <paul---> although raspbmc is more tempting
[2:16] <trevorman> 32MB is the most basic framebuffer
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[2:18] <paul---> heh people are making a small fortune of selling their boards on ebay
[2:20] <trevorman> prices seem to have dropped significantly at least on ebay uk
[2:20] <stealthii> but they're not making much money... I mean it's not the best idea for a profitable business
[2:21] <stealthii> it's hard enough acquiring many of them (I've got 4 with 2 more on the way) but even if I sold them all I wouldn't have gained much
[2:21] <trevorman> from RS/Farnell it is roughly ?30 delivered. ebay has loads of completed listings for ?40-?50
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[2:21] <paul---> i ordered 6 30 minutes after they went on sale
[2:21] <paul---> and I have one
[2:21] <plugwash> mmm total price on ebay seems to be about ??45 - ??55
[2:21] <plugwash> remember to add in the delivery chargers
[2:21] <plugwash> *charges
[2:21] <trevorman> yeah
[2:22] <dmsuse> oh
[2:22] <dmsuse> my
[2:22] <dmsuse> gawd
[2:22] <trevorman> about 50% markup on ebay. not like a few weeks ago when they were going for ?80+
[2:22] <paul---> in .au theres a few going for 150 AUD+
[2:22] <blkhawk> i really need to setup a dev vm
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[2:22] <blkhawk> omxplayer needs fixing
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[2:23] <dmsuse> omxplayer works flawlessly
[2:23] <blkhawk> dmsuse: when i play a flv file it waits about 30 seconds before playing
[2:23] <paul---> what distro are you all running?
[2:23] <blkhawk> thats not flawless ;)
[2:23] <paul---> the squeeze rel?
[2:23] <trevorman> flv is a horrible format anyway :P
[2:24] <nid0> < squeeze
[2:24] <blkhawk> trevorman: its really just a container for h264 in this case
[2:24] <blkhawk> it should just "work"
[2:24] <trevorman> you tried putting it into a regular mp4 file?
[2:25] <trevorman> determine whether its the FLV handler
[2:25] <blkhawk> the application i want to build needs to be able to just take flv
[2:25] <blkhawk> but i guess i could convert one
[2:25] <nid0> quite a few rs codes up on ebay now :<
[2:25] <trevorman> just for testing I mean
[2:26] <blkhawk> ya well need to set that up
[2:26] <blkhawk> a sec
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[2:28] <trevorman> somebody is selling rubber dot feet on ebay and saying they're suitable for the RPi...
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[2:29] <nid0> I just spotted those as well, got modmypi cases on order though
[2:29] <dmsuse> blkhawk: i have to agree flv is the worse format ever created in the whole of history
[2:30] <dmsuse> ever
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[2:30] <blkhawk> its not a format
[2:30] <blkhawk> its a container
[2:31] <blkhawk> and... i can think of worse
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[2:31] <blkhawk> .mov for instance
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[2:31] <trevorman> blkhawk: mp4 is based on mov...
[2:32] <teKuru> mov is a container too
[2:32] <blkhawk> ya
[2:32] <blkhawk> i said ontainer ;)
[2:32] <blkhawk> and the flv hadler seems to be the culprit
[2:32] <blkhawk> mp4 plays right away
[2:32] <teKuru> I interpreted that as you saying you could think of worse formats, then said .mov for instance
[2:32] <trevorman> hm. wonder what its doing
[2:32] <teKuru> vivo was quite shit
[2:33] <teKuru> err sorry
[2:33] <teKuru> it was quite poop
[2:33] <blkhawk> flv waits 30 seconds
[2:33] <blkhawk> i think it waits exactly how long the clip is
[2:33] <blkhawk> 22 seconds
[2:33] <trevorman> ah
[2:33] <trevorman> weird
[2:33] <blkhawk> need to stop time
[2:33] <blkhawk> a sec
[2:34] <dmsuse> what player is omx based on, i refuse to believe someone created a player from scratch
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[2:35] <blkhawk> ok
[2:35] <teKuru> making a player and writing your own codec are two different things, does it use external libraries to decode media?
[2:35] <blkhawk> the pause was exactly 40 seconds
[2:35] <dmsuse> no idea
[2:35] <blkhawk> testing a different file
[2:36] <blkhawk> lol
[2:36] <blkhawk> exactly 40 seconds
[2:36] <teKuru> considering people write media players for new platforms constantly, theres nothing that crazy going on here
[2:36] <teKuru> it usually involves porting some open source library for decoding media formats to your platform
[2:37] <teKuru> and then writing a wrapper to interact with thsoe libraries
[2:37] <blkhawk> well my flash video auto-player might need an updated player like thios
[2:37] <trevorman> omxplayer seems to have a ton of xbmc code
[2:37] <trevorman> it also uses ffmpeg
[2:38] <teKuru> using ffmpeg and forking someone elses code are excellent ways to speed up development significantly :D
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[2:39] <blkhawk> ya :=) I might just do that
[2:39] <blkhawk> i need to handle a playlist with not many black pauses in between
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[3:02] <nid0> sigh, how can it be that the perfectly common-seeming sandisk sd card I own is impossible to buy a 2nd one of other than from dodgy chinese ebay stores or at crazy expensive prices :<
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[3:02] <plugwash> probablly because models shift over time
[3:02] <McGooch> why do you need exactly the same card?
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[3:02] <nid0> I bought this one 3 weeks ago
[3:03] * plugwash strongly suspects the ebay sellers are selling fakes
[3:04] <nid0> McGooch, consistency basically - 2 pi's, which I want to have the same peripherals
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[3:04] <McGooch> I've tried my Pi with two different SD cards now, different sizes/speeds
[3:05] <blkhawk> and?
[3:05] <blkhawk> so far all my cards worked
[3:05] <nid0> i've got 3 different cards that all work fine so far
[3:05] <McGooch> One was Kingston 8GB class 4, the second was Patriot LX class 10
[3:05] <McGooch> Boot time on the class ten is a bit faster
[3:06] <blkhawk> McGooch: might be just a placebo effect
[3:06] <McGooch> I measured it
[3:06] <blkhawk> nomatter what speeds seem to be limited to 3.5mb or so
[3:06] <McGooch> Multiple times
[3:06] <blkhawk> erm
[3:06] <blkhawk> 4.5
[3:07] <blkhawk> that said i do not have any card slower than class 6
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[3:07] <McGooch> It also depends what the boot sequence looks like, its not all waiting for the IO either
[3:08] <McGooch> As soon as changed the kbd setup and enabled ssh it jumped up 25 seconds
[3:08] <chnopsx> my boot just gets stuck on setting the keyboard layout for like 5 minutes, I dunno why that takes so much time
[3:08] <McGooch> Yea, twice actually it stalls with a message about keymapping
[3:09] <McGooch> Not sure what the issue is but something is being wasteful
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> It's believed the stalling is caused by it loading a keymapping different than that of the kernel.
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[3:10] <McGooch> The class 4 went from 45-50 to 1:44-1:50, the class 10 only jumped up to about 1:15-1:20 after the changes
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[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> Well this is a pain.... apparently I've misplaced the sdcard for OpenELEC
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[3:17] <mkopack> GabrialDestruir: Doh!
[3:18] <mkopack> I still need to make one of those to try that out
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[3:25] <McGooch> How much swap space should be used for the raspberry pi?
[3:26] <GabrialDestruir> If/when I find it, I need to add a SD card holder to my case
[3:27] <SpeedEvil> McGooch: A good ballpark figure is to take the number of square centimeters of the circuit board, then multiply by 3.
[3:28] <SpeedEvil> More seriously - any amount of swap may cause serious slowdowns if on SD
[3:29] <McGooch> Does it only slow down when ram is full, or all the time?
[3:30] <SpeedEvil> It slows down when swap gets fragmented
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[3:32] <Decepshun> my root dir is 1.6gigs and has only like 87megs remaining....how do I create a partition that utilizes the remaing space on my sdcard for any programs I download?
[3:33] <nid0> you can expand the existing partition
[3:33] <Decepshun> I always thought you shouldn't mess with the root dir
[3:33] <Decepshun> but regardless..what program expands the existing partition then?
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[3:34] <nid0> takes like 2 minutes with fdisk, gordonDrogon has a written-up guide at https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[3:34] <nid0> starts at the "sudo fdisk -uc /dev/mmcblk0" part
[3:35] <Decepshun> ok...thx
[3:35] <trevorman> easiest way to expand it is to plug it into another linux box and do it there
[3:35] <nid0> its easier to just do it on the pi
[3:36] <nacimmep> bah ship date moved back again
[3:36] <nacimmep> :P
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[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> Go figure, only I could have an SD card sitting right next to my Pi just disappear -sighs-
[3:48] <huene> literally disappear? or just doesnt show on pi?
[3:49] <GabrialDestruir> literally disappear.
[3:49] <dmsuse> i am literally sick of hearing about sd cards :P
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[3:50] <SStrife> there are some cheap Android phones on DealExtreme...
[3:52] <GabrialDestruir> If you're sick of hearing about SD cards, perhaps this isn't the best room to be in, eh?
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[3:56] <tsp_> It works!
[3:56] <GabrialDestruir> Yay!
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[3:57] <tsp_> Though this SD card is pretty slow. Installing ed took minutes
[3:57] <beardface> seen reifsnyderb
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[4:00] <tsp_> Which one of these ports is the audio?
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[4:01] <GabrialDestruir> The one the headphones goes in
[4:01] <Decepshun> the 3.5mm jack
[4:01] <tsp_> I know that :). I can't quite tell which one of the two it is
[4:02] <trevorman> the two?
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> ...
[4:02] <Decepshun> there is only 1
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> Ones a composite.
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> The other is a 3.5mm
[4:02] <Decepshun> the RCA jack is video out
[4:02] <trevorman> there is only one 3.5mm socket on there. the other is a phono socket.
[4:02] <trevorman> if you still can't quite tell the difference then the audio is one closest to the two USB sockets
[4:03] <tsp_> Found it. I'm totally blind, so didn't want to accidentally plug it into the wrong port, but it didn't fit anyways.
[4:03] <SStrife> headphones won't fit into the centre hold of the RCA hack anyway
[4:03] <SStrife> yeah
[4:03] <SStrife> hole*
[4:03] <GabrialDestruir> oops....
[4:03] <GabrialDestruir> That was stupid.
[4:04] <trevorman> the actual sockets used don't seem to be fixed though. it just seems to be whatever stock they've got in the factory at the time so colour and brand may differ.
[4:04] <GabrialDestruir> Just formatted my truecrypt drive with they private key for my Pi -.-
[4:04] <GabrialDestruir> the*
[4:05] <Decepshun> wonder how long a partition resize takes...been performing an online resize
[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> If you're not moving data?
[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> 2-5 minutes?
[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe less
[4:06] <Decepshun> it's probably moving data...resized to take advantage of a 32gig sdcard
[4:06] <tsp_> Is there a debian package containing the source to the currently running pi kernel?
[4:06] <Decepshun> using the drogon guide that someone linked me
[4:06] <GabrialDestruir> Well if all the free space is behind the partition it won't move data.
[4:06] <nid0> is it the fs resize you're at having deleted and recreated the partition?
[4:07] <nid0> if so the filesystem resize will take a little while if you're going up to 32GB
[4:07] <Decepshun> yes nid0
[4:07] <Decepshun> ok
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[4:12] <McGooch> Anyone know why gordondrogon favoured a sep file vs a partition?
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[4:14] <GabrialDestruir> For what McGooch
[4:15] <McGooch> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/ in here
[4:15] <GabrialDestruir> Oh swapfile?
[4:15] <McGooch> He deletes the swap partition, and then replaces it with a file. Was it for simplicity, performance, flexibility, what?
[4:15] <GabrialDestruir> I'm going to assume because with a swapfile you could move it anywhere.
[4:16] <McGooch> Sorry swp was converted to sep by auto correct
[4:17] <McGooch> Or resize it or disable it etc. But I'd was hoping some one knew
[4:17] <GabrialDestruir> Yea... I think it's just flexibility
[4:17] <GabrialDestruir> You can do more with a swapfile than you can with a partition.
[4:18] <McGooch> Is there a performance difference?
[4:18] <GabrialDestruir> I think if there was it wouldn't be that noticable.
[4:19] <McGooch> I thought that on some disks there were speed differences depending on where it was on the disk. But maybe for the SD its really irrelevant
[4:20] <trevorman> there is a slight overhead for a swap file due to the FS
[4:20] <trevorman> doubt you'd notice it though
[4:22] <McGooch> Is there anything that can be done about the SD speed limits? Where does this come from?
[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> But from a USB drive.
[4:22] <trevorman> McGooch: SD clock by default is quite slow. SD controller itself in the SoC also seems to be quite slow.
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[4:23] <trevorman> zgreg increased the speed and got about 10MB/s out of it but not sure implications of changing the clock by that much
[4:23] <GabrialDestruir> Can you mess with the SD clock? o.O
[4:23] <trevorman> yes
[4:24] <McGooch> Eben seemed to indicate that the limitation was not in the hardware but in the Kernel somewhere
[4:24] <trevorman> not sure whether it'll be reliable though. there must be a reason why broadcom and the rp foundation have it like that.
[4:24] <nid0> hurm, kernel rebuild's refusing to understand my initramfs file :<
[4:24] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.... OpenELEC won't boot XBMC
[4:25] <trevorman> eh?
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[4:27] <GabrialDestruir> Bah just something wrong with the OpenELEC image I'm working with .-. Just not sure what though.
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[4:27] <trevorman> you built it yourself?
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> Nope
[4:28] <mkopack> dammit, what's the command to get the audio working on the Pi again?
[4:28] <mkopack> sudo something bcm-something...
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> google
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[4:28] <mkopack> yeah, I'm looking and not finding it
[4:28] <SStrife> modprobd snd_bcm2835
[4:28] <SStrife> sudo as appropriate
[4:28] <mkopack> thanks it. thanks
[4:28] <mkopack> that's it
[4:29] <SStrife> modprobe, too
[4:29] <SStrife> modprobd wont do much
[4:29] <mkopack> I have it on my laptop, but that's upstairs...
[4:30] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: there was a build done today at http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/
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[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> That's the one I'm using... and isn't loading.
[4:31] <Ricksl> do you need to issue that everytime you start it?
[4:32] <GabrialDestruir> Yes and no.
[4:32] <GabrialDestruir> IT needs to be issued everytime.
[4:32] <GabrialDestruir> But you don't have to do it yourself.
[4:32] <Decepshun> cool...gordon's guide worked great
[4:32] <GabrialDestruir> You could pop it in as a boot up command or something.
[4:32] <Ricksl> could i in theory make a startup script?
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[4:33] <SStrife> you just add a line to /etc/modules
[4:33] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, what for a problem you have and what you try?
[4:34] <Decepshun> ok...so when I try to run xbmc...I get the error that I don't have 24-bit color...how do I resolve that problem?
[4:34] <GabrialDestruir> The problem is a black screen. I copied in the Kernel/System + Boot stuff from today's build and it'll show some stuff like the OpenELEC version number....
[4:34] <GabrialDestruir> and then black screen.
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[4:34] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, you have ssh access?
[4:35] <GabrialDestruir> No clue, trying to redo the card atm, maybe there's something wrong with the image I had.
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[4:39] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: did you have an older build of xbmc on there before?
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[4:39] <trevorman> the openelec build on the site is what i'm using right now and its fine for me
[4:40] <GabrialDestruir> Yea... I'm using the script now to recreate the card.
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[4:42] <GabrialDestruir> Ah there we go.
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[4:47] <GabrialDestruir> I don't suppose this build saves Video Calibration, does it?
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[4:49] <GabrialDestruir> Nope. -sighs-
[4:50] <GabrialDestruir> >.<
[4:51] <GabrialDestruir> Something got changed in OpenELEC, none of the Blue Repository plugins will install now.
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[4:55] <McGooch> How can you tell how much ram is available from the command like (and potentially where it went)
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[4:56] <teKuru> top
[4:56] <teKuru> or install htop, its prettier
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[4:56] <GabrialDestruir> Gah... this just isn't fair...
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[5:00] <GabrialDestruir> sraue, did you disable something in the more recent versions of OpenELEC?
[5:01] <McGooch> how many MB of ram does the GPU get by default?
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[5:03] <Decepshun> anyone know the trick to getting the raspi to use the native display resolution?
[5:05] <McGooch> Mine does by default the problem was the default overscan
[5:05] <shirro> McGooch: it will have 32. 64. or 128 depending on which start file you have. type free to see memory info
[5:05] <McGooch> Check out http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt and use the disable_overscan=1 option
[5:06] <McGooch> Hmm both free and top report my total swap size as zero. I must have missed a step
[5:06] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, what i shoudl have disabled?
[5:08] <shirro> McGooch: are you using swapfile or partition? basically all you need to do is mkswap on it and then add it to fstab to load on boot. Or use the swapon command to start it now
[5:08] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, XBMC-master is in very active development, the last builds contains a recent merge after 3 or 4 weeks without a merge to XBMC-rpb, so for sure there are much changes
[5:08] <McGooch> I'm using a swap file, I must have missed a step in the instructions
[5:09] <shirro> You might want to tweak the swappiness setting. It should be set really high for a normal desktop (default is 60) but with the Pi I set it down really low due to the insanely slow sd speeds - it is a last resort thing
[5:09] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently I'm missing script.module.beautifulsoup?
[5:10] <sraue> its not part of xbmc's addon repo?
[5:10] <paul---> is there any recommended build/distro which is prebuilt for xbmc?
[5:11] <paul---> raspxbmc/openelec/ other?
[5:11] <sraue> recommend: OpenELEC
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[5:11] <paul---> i need to compile the build though, is this correct?
[5:11] <McGooch> shirro: aha spelling error in swap file :)
[5:11] <GabrialDestruir> Well if it is, I can't get to it. -sighs-
[5:11] <sraue> its not correct there are much images out
[5:11] <GabrialDestruir> the XBMC repo is for some unkown reason... empty
[5:12] <paul---> sraue - mind linking to one that you know works?
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[5:12] <McGooch> shirro: er I mean spelled swapfile wrong in fstab
[5:12] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, you have the url from the xbmc repo?
[5:13] <GabrialDestruir> according to debig it's looking at addons://repos/
[5:13] <GabrialDestruir> q
[5:13] <McGooch> shirr, how do you change swapiness? what does your stab entry look like?
[5:13] <McGooch> Shirro, I mean :P
[5:14] <sraue> paul---, not tested but http://t.co/Grv3ELJQ and http://www.basst.nl/?p=591 and http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[5:16] <GabrialDestruir> (addons://repository.xbmc.org)
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[5:16] <shirro> McGooch: I just set vm.swappiness=10 in /etc/sysctl.conf (actually I have it with other Pi tweaks in a file in /etc/sysctl.d - minor detail). There is no "correct" number. Just have to play with it and see. You can cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness to see current swtting and echo a number into it to change it as well
[5:17] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, http://mirrors.xbmc.org/addons/eden/script.module.beautifulsoup/ try to install manually
[5:17] <GabrialDestruir> 20:14:13 T:1243464800 INFO: ADDON: cpluff: 'Could not read plug-in directory /usr/lib/xbmc/addons: No such file or directory'
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[5:17] <GabrialDestruir> could that be why it isn't displaying?
[5:19] <sraue> you have this dir? normally it should be there
[5:19] <sraue> but i dont see a problem if its missing
[5:20] <GabrialDestruir> yea according to ssh it's there.
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[5:20] <GabrialDestruir> Well idk then, the log doesn't seem to be showing any reason for xbmc repo not to be displaying.
[5:21] <shirro> McGooch: ofcourse that is assuming you are using sd card. you want much more aggressive setting on usb storage. low swappiness means it puts off the inevitable and frees up buffer cache etc instead of swapping out programs. When it does have to swap (eg start firefox and do something) it takes forever. There is a good argument to set it really high so idle stuff is freed up out of your memory as soon as possible but the sd card makes that
[5:21] <shirro> painful. Low memory with fast storage would have med a more fun device.
[5:26] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm... it seems quite a few dependencies are missing here...
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[5:36] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm... no clue, apparently whatever method that's suppose to return the xbmc.addon stuff is getting back nothing.
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[5:36] <GabrialDestruir> But I can wget it fine from the pi
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[5:56] <GabrialDestruir> So odd.... XBMC detects the volume up for some reason, but neither my volume down or mute keys... xD
[5:56] <itsrachelfish> Are there any comprehensive tests of what kind of IO the raspberry pi gets?
[5:57] <itsrachelfish> For USB, ethernet, writing to the SD card, everything at once?
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[6:16] <tzarc> most people are just trying to get stuff to RUN, let alone optimise or benchmark
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[6:29] <McGooch> Hmm setting the overscan_* values in config.txt don't seem to do anything at all
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[6:29] <McGooch> I can use disable_overscan=1 but thats about it
[6:30] <GabrialDestruir> Some OS for some reason
[6:30] <GabrialDestruir> override the config.txt stuff
[6:30] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[6:30] <GabrialDestruir> That or you're not using high enough values.
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[6:31] <McGooch> What does "high enough" mean? The values its defaults to are stupid
[6:32] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, they don't override config.txt
[6:32] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, you can change the resolution by using 'fbset' and that's what openelec seems to do.
[6:33] <GabrialDestruir> Ah.
[6:33] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/blob/master/packages/initramfs/sysutils/busybox-initramfs/scripts/init
[6:33] <ShiftPlusOne> line 332
[6:33] <McGooch> I lose about 1.4cm left and right and 2cm top and bottom. Thats a lot
[6:34] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, you can also put the resolution you want straight into cmdline, but that doesn't "override" config.txt, just the resolution.
[6:34] <GabrialDestruir> overscan_* of like 10 or more and you should notice a difference.
[6:34] <McGooch> I'm trying to follow this guide : http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[6:34] <GabrialDestruir> Unless it's doing the fbset thing.
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[6:36] <GabrialDestruir> My current issue with OpenELEC is it doesn't want to save Video Calibration properly, supposedly that was an xbmc bug in eden alpha/beta but I thought the xbmc in OpenELEC was like frodo
[6:36] <McGooch> using 10 for each overscan is also ignored
[6:37] <GabrialDestruir> You are reboot after you change it... right?
[6:37] <GabrialDestruir> rebooting*
[6:37] <McGooch> yes
[6:39] <GabrialDestruir> Hm... idk then. Are you using overscan_* with disable_overscan = 1?
[6:40] <McGooch> No, although that seems to drop them all to zero. So some changes work
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[6:41] <GabrialDestruir> try the framebuffer options, maybe that'll somehow fix it.
[6:42] <UnaClocker> Got my second Pi yesterday. :) WooHoo
[6:45] <McGooch> Right on Una, me too. Still fiddling with it
[6:46] <GabrialDestruir> DAMN YOU DUAL-PIERS!
[6:46] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[6:46] <UnaClocker> Amazing how different the Newark one is from the RS one.. Different brand of ram, silkscreening is TOTALLY different..
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[6:47] <McGooch> I only have the Element 14
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[6:48] <UnaClocker> Yeah, Newark is E14..
[6:49] <UnaClocker> I also ordered from Allied, RS's US counterpart, still haven't gotten that order, can't even track it on their site..
[6:50] <McGooch> I ordered 3 from Newark day one. All 3 arrived yesterday
[6:50] <DaQatz> Wonder how long until I can buy a model A
[6:50] <Evie> Oh, hi UnaClocker
[6:50] <UnaClocker> :)
[6:51] <GabrialDestruir> I'm waiting for newark to say I can order one.
[6:51] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[6:51] <UnaClocker> Yeah, a Model A would be perfect for one or two of my Pi ideas..
[6:51] <Evie> I've heard about you from the Megatunix port, the same day dandruczyk heard about it
[6:52] <UnaClocker> Evie: Ahh yeah, MTx is pretty sweet on the Pi. going to make a killer dash for my car.. :)
[6:52] <Evie> So, which is done better the E14 or the Allied/RS version?
[6:52] <Evie> hehe
[6:52] <jaxdahl> same manufacturer i'm sure
[6:53] * Evie has two E14 Pis, by some sheer luck
[6:53] <jaxdahl> oh, never mind
[6:53] <UnaClocker> I had gotten used to the RS one, so the E14 looks like a knockoff to me, but really, I don't think either one is a problem. They're both the same thing really..
[6:53] <Evie> Well, as long as they both work equally :)
[6:54] <Evie> I got my RS code recently... not sure if I should pursue it or not
[6:54] <techman2> there's differences between the two distributors batches?
[6:54] <UnaClocker> I had some trouble with the USB/ethernet chip overheating on my RS one, but not sure if it was a firmware update or what, but it doesn't do it anymore.
[6:54] <SStrife> techman2: RS and Farnell aren't distributors, they're manufacturing them too
[6:54] <SStrife> thats why there are differences
[6:54] <UnaClocker> techman2: Totally different silkscreen, different brand of ram chips, the ports are from different suppliers..
[6:55] <techman2> SStrife: I thought both were manufacturing through the same factory though?
[6:55] <SStrife> aren't just distributors
[6:55] <SStrife> they have their own facilities
[6:55] <techman2> hmmm I didn't realise that
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[6:56] <UnaClocker> RPi foundation had ONE plant in China contracted to make the first 10k, after that, the distributors took over, and now they are each being made by the distributors.
[6:56] <Evie> The original boards came from the same place, then E14 and RS/Allied ramped up their production, as far as I understand it
[6:56] <techman2> I thought they were both just ordering batches from the same manufacturer the foundation used
[6:56] <SStrife> yes
[6:56] * UnaClocker nods.
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[6:57] <techman2> yeah I know some are coming with samsung ram chips and hanrun ethernet jacks now
[6:57] <McGooch> Wow, the LAN/USB chip does get warm. The broadcom is fine
[6:57] <GabrialDestruir> Wait if they're using different parts....
[6:58] <GabrialDestruir> doesn't that make them technically different devices?
[6:58] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[6:58] <SStrife> the SoC is the same
[6:58] <Evie> Different parts, but intended to be functionally the same/compatible, I would imagine
[6:58] <SStrife> the other parts are off-the-shelf drop-in replacements
[6:58] <techman2> same spec components, just diff brands.
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[6:58] <paul---> mine has
[6:59] <UnaClocker> I would assume the PCB circuits are identical, I didn't examine the top/bottom layers closely enough to confirm.
[6:59] <paul---> samsung and smsc
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[6:59] <UnaClocker> I have one of my Pi's running a TV display at the Seattle Maker Faire this weekend. :)
[7:00] <UnaClocker> Really just doing a photo slideshow with it..
[7:00] <Evie> Showing off is showing off :)
[7:01] <Evie> My spouse is running OpenElec on one and I'm fighting with raspbian to get a build of xbmc-rbp built on it
[7:01] <techman2> I'm looking forward to mucking around with Raspbian
[7:01] <Evie> I'm going to probably have to adopt a cross compile environment for the longer-term.
[7:02] <Evie> I'm using the hexxeh build. I think my device permissions have been a little quirky, but too soon to tell
[7:02] <GabrialDestruir> If you get xbmc-rbp built for Raspbian I think I could live with just one Pi for a while xD
[7:02] <Evie> The weirdest stuff has been around /dev/fb0 framebuffer stuff
[7:02] <Evie> heh
[7:02] <UnaClocker> I'm having trouble getting USB devices to work in Raspbian.. I can't even seem to get a USB thumb drive to show up when I plug it in..
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[7:02] <SStrife> Evie: "usermod -a -G video [username]" fixes framebuffer "access denied" errors
[7:02] <Evie> I had to get a powered USB hub to get mine to work with devices reliably
[7:03] <Evie> I did that, SStrife
[7:03] <SStrife> ah
[7:03] <Evie> Yeah, I'm wondering if it's driver implementation issues. I haven't poked too much at it.
[7:03] <SStrife> when i first got my Pi, I played DOSBox and ScummVM games using the framebuffer
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[7:03] <Evie> Hmmn.
[7:04] <SStrife> and it worked surprisingly well
[7:04] <Evie> Which distro?
[7:04] <SStrife> but since then it's been crap
[7:04] <SStrife> and i can't figure out why
[7:04] <SStrife> raspbian
[7:04] <SStrife> the only difference is that back then, directfb wasn't in the repo
[7:04] <SStrife> so i compiled it myself
[7:04] <Evie> I haven't been able to get anything like tuxracer or whatnot to work on raspbian with directfb
[7:04] <SStrife> maybe it did something different?
[7:04] <UnaClocker> Anyone done much overclocking? I've been living at 1GHz for over a week now. Small overvoltage boost. ;)
[7:04] <SStrife> anything that wants OpenGL won't work, it has to be modified for OpenGL ES
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[7:05] <Evie> It worked in X11, albeit a bit of a penalt, i think
[7:05] <Evie> penalty*
[7:05] <SStrife> yeah, X is rubbish at the moment
[7:05] <SStrife> but it worked at all, that's interesting
[7:05] <SStrife> oh
[7:05] <SStrife> the other gotcha is that you have to use the same res as the screen you're using
[7:05] <SStrife> or it just gives you a blank screen
[7:05] <McGooch> UnaClocker, how do you overclock it?
[7:06] <Evie> X11 or DirectFB?
[7:06] <SStrife> directfb
[7:06] <Evie> I've gotten the blank screen stuff.
[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> What's the temp like at 1Ghz?
[7:06] <Evie> I'm not sure of the res of the screen I'm toying around with.
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[7:07] <Evie> Ah found it. I wonder how setting it is done if the app loads up before the res can be changed. Kernel mode settings?
[7:07] <Evie> (I'm a few years outta date on how screen resolutions are handled these days)
[7:07] <SStrife> everything I've tried, you can either set the res in a config file, or at the command line
[7:08] <Evie> k
[7:08] <SStrife> e.g. in Dosbox, it's in the [sdl] section
[7:08] <SStrife> fullresolution
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[7:13] <McGooch> Is there a reason why audio isn't enabled by default? is there a way to have the mod probe snd_bcm2835 happen at startup?
[7:14] <Evie> Because the alsa drivers are still alpha
[7:14] <UnaClocker> I got my Raspbian install setup to boot into X by default now, gives me a graphical login prompt.. :)
[7:14] <Evie> Openmax is the default library for dealing with them
[7:15] <Evie> (as far as I can tell)
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[7:17] <McGooch> I sure hope someone is working on new drivers for X :P
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[7:19] <hotwings> im sure they are. rpi is useless as a "desktop" if not
[7:19] <Evie> I'm happy for the enthusiasm, at the least
[7:19] <SStrife> McGooch: add the sound module to /etc/modules
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[7:21] <SStrife> without the "modprobe" but, obviously
[7:21] <SStrife> bit*
[7:21] <hotwings> is snd_bcm2835 blacklisted or not properly detected at boot?
[7:21] <McGooch> awesome thanks SStrife
[7:21] <SStrife> it's not compiled in to the kernel
[7:22] <SStrife> because it's still a bit buggy
[7:22] <hotwings> that doesnt really matter, even if its compiled as a module it should still be detected
[7:23] <Evie> what does the depmod step before loading do again in this instance?
[7:23] <hotwings> it creates a dependency list so all the modules needed for the module youre trying to load, are loaded with it
[7:24] <SStrife> pi isn't a PC, it doesn't have a PnP BIOS or anything like that for "detecting" hardware, afaik
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[7:25] <SStrife> for now, adding it to /etc/modules will do the trick
[7:25] <SStrife> save you keying it in
[7:25] <kwixson_> Hey y'all.
[7:25] <kwixson_> Anybody still waiting for their RPi?
[7:25] <hotwings> yes kwixson_
[7:25] <kwixson_> You in the US?
[7:26] <techman2> yep.
[7:26] <techman2> mine is with the postie. somewhere.
[7:26] <hotwings> when you boot the rpi and do lspci -v, do you see the audio device?
[7:26] <hotwings> im in the us, yes
[7:26] <kwixson_> element14 is really cranking them out now.
[7:26] <hotwings> my rpi is in a UPS trailer somewhere in the midwest right now
[7:27] <GabrialDestruir> I need an XBMC web remote that allows me to mess with all the settings and add-ons and such while it's playing a video.
[7:27] <hotwings> theres still a ton of backorder
[7:27] <kwixson_> I just got an email that my third is on its way.
[7:27] <hotwings> did you order all 3 from element14?
[7:27] <kwixson_> hotwings: No.
[7:28] <SStrife> hotwings, there is no pci bus
[7:28] <kwixson_> But this one was ordered on 3/3/12 so they've gotten through all the orders from the first few days.
[7:28] <UnaClocker> My second order from Newark/E14 hasn't shipped yet, but I placed it a month or so ago, so it should be at the end of the backlog..
[7:29] <SStrife> there's no APIC
[7:29] <SStrife> or APCI
[7:29] <kwixson_> It wasn't supposed to ship until July, so they must really be moving them now.
[7:30] <SStrife> the peripherals are connected to the SoC by GPIO
[7:30] <UnaClocker> Mine was scheduled May 11th, so they were only 3 weeks late.. My RS order got here May 10th though..
[7:31] <kwixson_> My RS order was the first to make it here for me too.
[7:31] <UnaClocker> I have a CAN bus chip that connects via SPI that I really want to make work with a Pi..
[7:31] <hotwings> odb2 reader!
[7:32] <UnaClocker> Pretty much..
[7:32] <SStrife> the GPIO header has two UART pins
[7:32] <UnaClocker> Any kind of industrial automation too.
[7:32] <SStrife> you could use a regular ODB-Serial cable with Pi, through an RS232 driver like MAX232
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[7:33] <kwixson_> So, good news! Supply is really loosening up and everyone should get theirs pretty soon.
[7:34] <kwixson_> Just spreading the love.
[7:35] <McGooch> I can't believe that an 8GB SD card is $8 now. I way overpaid a few years back
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[7:35] <kwixson_> McGooch: Where? Class 4?
[7:35] <UnaClocker> heh, I got my 32gb class 10 for $25.. That blew my mind too.
[7:36] <McGooch> Yes this one was class 4, in Vancouver BC
[7:36] <McGooch> I grabbed a 32GB class10 at the same time to test the difference in boot time
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[7:36] <kwixson_> UnaClocker: That's a good deal. I couldn't find any that cheap.
[7:37] <UnaClocker> Fry's...
[7:37] <UnaClocker> McGooch: The difference in boottime was astounding for me, between the 10 and the 4..
[7:37] <kwixson_> I got a 16GB class 4 for $12 and now I'm wishing I'd sprung for class 10
[7:38] <kwixson_> Yeah, makes a big difference.
[7:38] <McGooch> UnaClocker: Its about a x2 difference in my timings. But I expected better. I don't think its running at full speed
[7:38] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I've heard many people say that it's underclocked..
[7:39] <McGooch> I expect it will get addressed in time
[7:48] <itsrachelfish> Are there any comprehensive benchmarks of the Pi's SD/usb/ethernet speed? Individually and at the same time?
[7:52] <shirro> some people pasted iperf on the ethernet a couple of nights back. I tried iperf with network over usb to an arm board with usb otg. I can look for numbers. SD is slow, slow, slow
[7:55] <shirro> the nic and usb will be competing with each other due to them both being on the same internal hub. not sure how I could test them at the same time reproducibly
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[8:15] <McGooch> Well I got some of the opengl es examples running up on my pi.
[8:15] <McGooch> Next step, the world
[8:16] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently XBMC sees my volume mute and volume down as F13 and F14
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[8:16] <GabrialDestruir> which is weird cause it sees Volume up as volume up
[8:18] <reider59> Hi all
[8:18] <D34TH> thats weird
[8:18] <D34TH> i dont have f13 and f14
[8:19] <McGooch> If you're on a 104 keyed I think they are labelled different
[8:19] <GabrialDestruir> -facedesks-
[8:19] <McGooch> on a mac kbd there is 13,14,15
[8:19] <GabrialDestruir> evtest shows the right information
[8:19] <GabrialDestruir> it's only in xbmc it's broken -.-
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[8:22] <itsrachelfish> shirro: Writing random data to a USB drive and running iperf?
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[8:22] <itsrachelfish> Oh! Or a USB webcam?
[8:23] <shirro> perhaps later. plugging in my powered usb hub makes the pi do crazy things and plugging in anything without the powered hub doesn't work either
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[8:24] <itsrachelfish> Huh? Crazy things like what?
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[8:25] <GabrialDestruir> I guess I'll have to ask sraue about it next time he's about.
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[10:01] <Milos> has anyone here used usb_modeswitch before? it doesn't seem to be working on boot but works fine after I unplug/replug the device OR restart udev
[10:02] <Milos> this is the usb_modeswitch logfile generated on boot: http://dpaste.com/754766/
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[10:13] <bootc> sraue: pong :-)
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[10:18] <sraue> bootc, over 500 downloads now from this builds with your kernel and NO issue reports about sdcard/boot issues
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[10:18] <wunderbaum> hi
[10:18] <bootc> sraue: good news :-)
[10:19] <bootc> I'll take it out from my next kernel too, then
[10:19] <sraue> see also: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=7167&start=25#p90622
[10:19] <tsp> Can I disable the annoying pop each time the sound device plays? I assume it's some kind of power management?
[10:19] <tzarc> nom, coffee with butter in it
[10:19] <sraue> the last two posts
[10:19] <sraue> bootc thanks :-) and thanks for the great work with this kernel!
[10:19] <bootc> np :-)
[10:19] <wunderbaum> i'm just calculating battery lifetime with the raspi. With 4xAA (2000mAh) it will last 11,43hrs.
[10:20] <wunderbaum> now i'm wondering about a notebook battery. At 20V they are delivering 8000mAh. If i get it down to 5V should the battery last longer?
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[10:21] <Dagger2> depends how you do it
[10:21] <Dagger2> via a DC:DC converter, yes
[10:22] <Dagger2> via a big resistor burning off the extra volts, no
[10:22] <wunderbaum> thought so ;)
[10:22] <wunderbaum> if i convert it to 5v it should be 4 times the capacity
[10:23] <wunderbaum> would be 45 hrs
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[10:33] <DoubleVision> help
[10:34] <serenity> just ask :)
[10:35] <DoubleVision> sorry i was writing somewhere else
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[11:11] <freezer> hi
[11:11] <Skrotus> hello
[11:12] <freezer> what's happening?
[11:12] <Skrotus> very little
[11:12] <freezer> :o)
[11:13] <Markavian> 'morning
[11:14] <Markavian> compiling haxe/nekovm on my rpi
[11:15] <reider59> I`ve just had to wipe my SD Card from the Pi so I`ve reinstalled, added SSH, VNC, Chrome Browser, Changed the Hostname and the motd.tail, now backing it up. :-)
[11:16] <freezer> i want to have an OpenGL desktop
[11:16] <freezer> or a good 2D driver?
[11:16] <Skrotus> I just want my pi to hurry up and arrive :(
[11:16] <freezer> it's way too laggy
[11:17] * freezer ordered 10minutes after launch @ RS and it arrived five days ago
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[11:17] <daxroc> Morning all
[11:17] <reider59> hi dax
[11:18] <Softnux> morning
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[11:19] <daxroc> I got my RPi on Thurs and installed openELEC stable. A few things I've noticed is the RPi will only boot every nth time and then seems to lock up ocasionaly, has anyone heard of bad hardware?
[11:20] <freezer> daxroc, probably bad power supply/too power hungry usb devices
[11:20] <Softnux> The only thing I've noticed is that after powering off, you have to wait ~5-10 sec befor powering it on, or it won't boot
[11:20] <Skrotus> I got my invitation to order from RS on the 17 of march, so it should be here soon
[11:20] <Skrotus> in theory
[11:20] <Skrotus> uhh
[11:20] <Skrotus> may
[11:20] <Skrotus> 17th of may
[11:21] <freezer> i did not even got a shipment mail
[11:21] <Softnux> daxroc, I had lockups took, due to a 700mA PSU. Works now with 1A
[11:21] <freezer> i just arrived
[11:21] <Softnux> too*
[11:21] <Simon-> I've had issues with it not booting too
[11:22] <freezer> my 850mA motorola seems to have some issues with usb mouse + keyb too
[11:22] <Simon-> although my sd card was giving I/O errors on some key files
[11:22] <daxroc> What's the max amperage the pi can take?
[11:22] <freezer> mouse = 100mA and keyb 50mA
[11:22] <freezer> but still some keyboard errors sometimes
[11:23] <Softnux> depends on your hardware, my microsoft keyboard can take up to 350mA
[11:23] <freezer> it was a cherry keyb
[11:23] <freezer> had 50mA printed on the back
[11:23] <Simon-> hrm. looks like my power supply is only 550mA
[11:23] <Simon-> I was sure it was much higher than that
[11:23] <freezer> lol
[11:23] <Softnux> That's not nearly enough for model b
[11:23] <bootc> remember there are soft fuses on the RPI's USB ports rated at 140mA
[11:24] <sraue> maybe raspberry and cherry is a bad combo?
[11:24] <freezer> Softnux, no surprise you got issues
[11:24] <bootc> so a USB peripheral that uses more than that is likely to fall over
[11:24] <Softnux> freezer, no issues here, using a mac keyboard
[11:24] <freezer> sorry, i meant Simon-
[11:24] <Simon-> I was able to run an USB GPS too on that 550mA...
[11:24] <Softnux> well, right now I'm doing everything via SSH
[11:24] <daxroc> bootc: why so low? usb is rated upto 500mA
[11:25] <bootc> daxroc: dunno, but that's what the schematic says
[11:25] <freezer> Simon-, maybe there is some leg room
[11:25] <bootc> daxroc: probably to account for the supply on the micro-USB connector
[11:25] <Simon-> bootc: is that 140mA each or 140mA total?
[11:25] <bootc> 140mA on each port
[11:25] <freezer> my powered usb hub worked too for booting the device etc
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[11:25] <freezer> but using usb caused kernel errors
[11:25] <bootc> it's on page 3 of the schematic
[11:25] <Simon-> freezer: well, the power supply will provide more than 550mA, just not safely
[11:25] <Simon-> aah
[11:25] <Simon-> 140mA is more than the minimum :)
[11:25] <freezer> and the powered hub is supposed to cut off @ 500mA
[11:26] <daxroc> The ps I was using was upto 5.1V 2.1A
[11:26] <Simon-> daxroc: USB is 100mA per port
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[11:26] <Simon-> I should probably make sure the driver can refuse to provide more than 140mA...
[11:26] <bootc> safest way to power larger peripherals is to use a powered hub
[11:26] <freezer> is there a fuse that limits the Pi's maximum power draw?
[11:27] <bootc> and some keyboards do draw a stupid amount of power
[11:27] <freezer> like what happens when you overvolt too much
[11:27] <bootc> freezer: yes, there's a 1.1A soft fuse on the mini-USB input
[11:27] <bootc> page 1 of the schematic, top left
[11:27] <freezer> okay
[11:28] <freezer> so a 1.2A power supply should be all you ever need then
[11:28] <bootc> more or less, yes
[11:28] <bootc> remember these are _soft_ fuses, so you could draw quite a bit more for short periods of time
[11:29] <bootc> and if they trigger they'll reset themselves after a short period of rest
[11:29] <daxroc> Has any one attached a IR Reciever to the GPIO yet?
[11:29] <bootc> daxroc: not that I've seen yet, no
[11:29] <nacimmep> i'd think the traces deteriorate faster
[11:29] <freezer> bootc, if you disable all soft fuses, the USB would be able to supply a lot more power>
[11:29] <bootc> nacimmep: I'd expect the traces to cope much better than the fuses, that's what fuses are there for after all
[11:30] <bootc> freezer: yes but then you'd blow the traces like nacimmep suggested :-)
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[11:30] <freezer> is there a save amount of amperage that the board can handle?
[11:30] <bootc> I have no idea about the actual trace width etc...
[11:30] <nacimmep> shoot under regular use the solder joints get yuky microscopically
[11:30] <bootc> but I'd say if you try to bypass the fuses all bets are off :-)
[11:30] <freezer> how small can they be?
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[11:31] <freezer> so at the moment its less than 6W
[11:31] <Simon-> if you really need more current you should just bypass the usb port 5V supply
[11:31] <bootc> yep, you should be able to power the Pi directly from the GPIO header's 5V pin
[11:32] <Simon-> connect D+/D-/GND to the Pi and route 5V/GND to the usb device from somewhere else
[11:32] <Simon-> bootc: I meant for usb devices
[11:32] <bootc> for USB devices just use a powered hub :-)
[11:32] <freezer> both interesting ideas ;)
[11:32] <freezer> usb hub is extra space
[11:32] <Simon-> there's no real need to run your 5V through the Pi when you can do it directly
[11:33] <freezer> they could have just made thicker traces for the USB
[11:33] <freezer> to provide 2x 0.5A
[11:33] <freezer> ..
[11:33] <bootc> it's not just about trace thickness though
[11:33] <Simon-> why? who is going to use it?
[11:34] <Simon-> the expected scenario is keyboard + mouse so you need a hub just to add anything else
[11:34] <bootc> you'd have to also get about 1.5A through the micro-USB, which it just isn't designed to do at all
[11:34] <freezer> you could use a passive hub
[11:34] <Simon-> you can't get more than 100mA per port out of a bus powered hub
[11:34] <freezer> or have usb wifi
[11:34] <bootc> freezer: you ever tried that on even a desktop PC?
[11:34] <freezer> you don't always want a keyboard or mouse connected
[11:35] <daxroc> Simon-: you can?
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[11:35] <nacimmep> let me see if i can find some old pictures of worn solder joints
[11:35] <freezer> 2.5W should be sufficient for wifi
[11:35] <Simon-> you certainly can't get 500mA out of it
[11:35] <bootc> daxroc: not if the hub follows the USB spec :-)
[11:35] <Simon-> the hub itself would only be allowed to draw 500mA
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[11:35] <freezer> my dlink hub allows 1.2A
[11:36] <freezer> but only in charge mode (hub disconnected from usb)
[11:36] <freezer> i really would like to hack this firmware...
[11:36] <bootc> righ, but then it's not bus powered
[11:36] <bootc> +t
[11:36] <daxroc> I had always thought that the spec said 5v @ upto 500mA per port ?
[11:36] <bootc> any USB port can only provide up to 500mA per port according to the USB spec
[11:37] <freezer> the firmware switches to 500mA as soon as you connect the hub to a usb host
[11:37] <bootc> a bus-powered hub then has to share the 500mA between all its child devices + powering its own logic
[11:37] <bootc> if it's powered by a wall plug then it can theoretically power all child devices with 500mA each
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[11:38] <freezer> the wall plug supplies 3A
[11:38] <freezer> but why limit each port to 0.5 :(
[11:38] <bootc> because that's the spec
[11:38] <freezer> fuck the spec
[11:38] <bootc> ask the USB people
[11:38] <Simon-> daxroc: the minimum it's required to provide is still 100mA
[11:38] <freezer> sorry :D
[11:38] <freezer> the usb device doesn't care about
[11:39] <Simon-> why limit it to 500mA? because the wires aren't thick enough
[11:39] <daxroc> Simon-: ah
[11:39] <bootc> note that plenty of devices actually draw more than 500mA...
[11:39] <freezer> as long as it can draw 0.5A
[11:39] <bootc> but they all have to be either dumb (like the Pi, with no data channels on its power port) or lie to the host about how much it draws
[11:39] <Simon-> most usb hubs don't appear to be able to provide 500mA on every port at the same time
[11:39] <nacimmep> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/content_images/fig/2190080205011.png
[11:39] <Simon-> 3A is only enough for 5 ports at 500mA
[11:39] <freezer> 6?
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[11:40] <Simon-> the hub will need more than 0mA and there will be some losses
[11:40] <bootc> you're ignoring the power the hub itself has to use
[11:40] <freezer> good point
[11:40] * Simon- has a powered hub inside his pc using the PSU for power :)
[11:42] <freezer> i want to mildly overvolt my Pi to reach 1GHz
[11:42] <freezer> any ideas how much it will increase the power draw?
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[11:43] * Simon- wonders where you get "mildly" from
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[11:43] <Simon-> is it because 1GHz is the next nearest round number?
[11:43] <freezer> hehe
[11:43] <Simon-> I wouldn't expect going up to 1GHz to be worth it
[11:44] <freezer> i will test if it makes 900MHz without overvolt
[11:44] <freezer> and go for 1GHz if it does
[11:44] <nacimmep> anyway the stuff corrodes :P nothing lasts forever
[11:45] <freezer> i live in Germany, it's cold here most of the time anyway
[11:45] <freezer> so there's that extra cooling :D
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[11:46] <freezer> A Pi in Africa will probably have the same heat at default voltage
[11:46] <freezer> wouldn't be fair if it dies first
[11:46] <freezer> so i HAVE TO overvolt
[11:48] * DoubleVision ** WinSys ** Client: XChat-WDK 1508 (x64) ** OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate ** CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz (2,00 GHz) ** RAM: 8103 MB Total (5125 MB Free) ** VGA: NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M ** Uptime: 2,36 Hours **
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[11:48] <kekzpriester> impressive 2.36h uptime
[11:49] <nacimmep> heh
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[11:50] <GabrialDestruir> Only 2.36?
[11:51] <Ben64> raspberry pi debian doesn't come with screen :(
[11:51] <GabrialDestruir> Nope have to install it.
[11:51] <nacimmep> my pi didnt come at all :P
[11:52] <Ben64> well i think i'm getting 2 more soon
[11:52] <nacimmep> debating canceling the order
[11:52] <Ben64> why
[11:52] <GabrialDestruir> I want a couple more.
[11:52] <GabrialDestruir> One for a semi-stable HTPC
[11:52] <nacimmep> cause im sick of waiting the closed nature is going to suck
[11:53] <GabrialDestruir> Second for a semi-stable Linux OS to play with.... and a third for experimentation.
[11:53] <Ben64> its not very closed
[11:53] <Ben64> dunno why everyone worries about that
[11:53] <GabrialDestruir> The SoC is pretty closed, but other than that it's fine.
[11:53] <mythos> my curtains are closed
[11:53] <nacimmep> fricken xbmc even play codecs not optimized without crapping out and stuttering?
[11:54] <Ben64> blame xbmc
[11:54] <Ben64> i'm using omxplayer on debian and just watched a movie in 1080p with DTS 5.1
[11:54] <GabrialDestruir> xbmc plays h.264 just fine.
[11:55] <Ben64> 720p mpeg2 from my tuner card plays at about 3fps, but thats to be expected
[11:55] <Skrotus> I think there are really better options if you only want it for a media center
[11:55] <GabrialDestruir> It's mpeg2 what do you expect?
[11:55] <Ben64> exactly what happened
[11:56] <GabrialDestruir> Pi is energy efficient, and cost efficient.
[11:56] <GabrialDestruir> compared to any other htpc
[11:57] <GabrialDestruir> Not having mpeg2 is only really an issue if you bother with mpeg2
[11:57] <Ben64> cool... only 48MB ram used playing 1080p
[11:58] <GabrialDestruir> 77MB ram playing 720p through xbmc
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[11:58] <GabrialDestruir> bloated piece of crap that xbmc xD
[11:58] <Simon-> did you restart it between tests?
[11:58] <Simon-> memory usage can be tricky to monitor
[11:59] <GabrialDestruir> 2 different people there.
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> What Ho me old Pi lovers!
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[11:59] <Simon-> heh
[11:59] <GabrialDestruir> He mentioned his so I looked up mine xD
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[12:01] <Ben64> i'm playing from console
[12:01] <Ben64> and haven't rebooted in a day and a half or so
[12:01] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, that's bound to keep the memory usage lower.
[12:01] <Ben64> also started and stopped x somewhere in the middle
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[12:02] <gordonDrogon> well it's raining here, so out street party might be a little damp :)
[12:03] <GabrialDestruir> Isn't wpa-suplicant used for wifi?
[12:03] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[12:03] <the_cuckoo> heh - there's supposed to be a street party on our street today - raining hard here too
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[12:06] <GabrialDestruir> I could probably kill some of this excess stuff I don't use and save some resources.
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, what distro are you using? I'm surprised wpa-sup is running at all..
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[12:08] <GabrialDestruir> OpenELEC
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> I guess it's probably trying to be a general purpose as possible.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> but that's based on Debian, isn't it?
[12:08] <GabrialDestruir> Nah, it's a specialized distro.
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[12:09] <gordonDrogon> Hm. ok.
[12:09] <GabrialDestruir> On htop what is NI?
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> don't know - don't use htop, but on regular top, it's NIce.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> ie. a process running nice.
[12:10] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs
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[12:10] <GabrialDestruir> then what does 1 mean? xD
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> Oh gross. now I remember why I don't use htop - my eyes, the goggles, they do nothing....
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[12:10] <gordonDrogon> 0 is normal.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> it gets confusing after that.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> negative numbers are more favoured
[12:11] <GabrialDestruir> I'll google it then.
[12:11] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> positive are less favoured.
[12:11] <tzarc> negative is not nice
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> the range is typically -19 to +20
[12:11] <tzarc> as in
[12:11] <tzarc> takes more CPU
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[12:12] <gordonDrogon> tzarc, Hmph. In 30 years of using Unix, I've never associated that negative is "not nice". #learnsomethingneweveryday
[12:12] <tzarc> lol
[12:12] <tzarc> that's just the way I see it :P
[12:12] * gordonDrogon ponders... 32 years.
[12:12] <tzarc> longer than I am old :P
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> ;-)
[12:13] <tzarc> can't remember if I was told that or if I just thought of it that way after looking at docs myself
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> I'll be 50 by the end of this year. first used a Unix box when I was 18 - PDP11/40.
[12:13] <tzarc> been ages
[12:13] <tzarc> haha nice
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> right. quick shower, coffee and some scones I think.
[12:15] <GabrialDestruir> trying to figure out what of this stuff running I actually need and what I can kill .-.
[12:15] <tzarc> smashing, old chap
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> cook eats his mistakes - I made some scones this morning - from gluten free flour and they're not as nice as I had hoped for...
[12:15] <tzarc> smother with butter and all will be well
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:16] <carldani> hmmmmmm.... does anyone know if there is a page where I can check the current status (i.e. expected delivery date, parcel tracking number) of my order with RS? I don't really want to mail them, they are already overworked.
[12:16] <GabrialDestruir> Looks like it's just the two things..... lirc and wpa_supplicant
[12:16] <Skrotus> don't think so carldani
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[12:19] <becks`> hi, what uses more cpu power, reading a file from SD card or from an USB stick?
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[12:20] <carldani> would anyone be willing to test some RPi driver code I wrote?
[12:20] <GabrialDestruir> What's the difference between smbd and nmbd, and why would they both need multiple copies running?
[12:21] <carldani> It's a SPI driver for flash EEPROM chips, i.e. "BIOS chips", also commonly found on network cards and graphics cards.
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[12:27] <becks`> carldani I'd test it but I don't have the skills :D
[12:29] <carldani> becks`: do you own a defective graphics card and a soldering iron?
[12:29] <carldani> becks`: or some defective mainboard (the chip there is often removable)
[12:30] <becks`> carldani no sorry, neither of them :)
[12:31] <carldani> if yes, you may be eligible for winning a free iPad, subject to unavailability and loss of life, you are the 1000000000000th visitor to our irc website 2.0 social thingy :-P
[12:32] <becks`> heheh ;)
[12:32] <carldani> One day I'll create a mashup of all advertising I ever saw, and I'll force-feed it to all advertisers, and they will feel compelled to eat the delicious moon to become iPads themselves.
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, smbd is the process that serves files. nmbd is the process that tell the world your PCs name (and I think listens for others doing the same)
[12:36] <GabrialDestruir> Ah.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> so if not mounting Win shares, then you can delete them...
[12:37] <GabrialDestruir> I can't find the OpenELEC ssh guide I had before, that explaind how I could setup custom ssh settings.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> actually they're not needed (IIRC) to mount remote win shares anyway.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> only needed if your exporing shares.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> what sort of ssh settings?
[12:38] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, there was a guide that mentioned moving sshd_config to a place where it'd be persistent and modable.
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[12:39] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose I could just unpack and move it to storage and then symlink and repack....
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> oh. I don't know anything really about openelec. sounds like it all lives in RAM then?
[12:40] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, it's all a disk image, except for storage which stores xbmc settings and such.
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[12:43] <GabrialDestruir> If I move sshd_settings and other things I'd like to be persistent and then symlink them in the disk image, then I could make a semi persistent system.
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest googling their site ;-)
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[12:49] <GabrialDestruir> I don't remember their site being very customization friendly :p
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[12:58] <reider59> bbl
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[13:08] <gutphucker> Can one get 5.1 (or even 7.1) sound from the rpi? and how?
[13:09] <chris_99> thats an interesting question
[13:09] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not 100% sure, but no.
[13:09] <chris_99> i guess hdmi can output 5.1?
[13:09] <Kripton> gutphucker, attack a USB-audio-interface?
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[13:09] <SStrife> shouldn't the media player just pass the compressed audio stream out the HDMI port?
[13:09] <Kripton> *attach
[13:10] <SStrife> so DD/DTS goes straight to your amp/decoder/etc
[13:10] <gutphucker> didnt even think about that. feeling quite stupid now ;D
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[13:10] <SStrife> i could be wrong, i havent played any media with pi as yet
[13:11] <SStrife> and my amplifier doesn't have HDMI
[13:11] <SStrife> just co-ax and optical
[13:11] <SStrife> so i couldnt test :-/
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[13:12] <gutphucker> i will have to test then
[13:12] <gutphucker> just gotta get one ;D
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[13:15] <gutphucker> has the cased rpi been released?
[13:15] <Skrotus> no
[13:15] <gutphucker> any date when its due?
[13:16] <gutphucker> dunno when "this summer" is
[13:16] <Skrotus> no idea :/
[13:16] <GabrialDestruir> next year?
[13:16] <gutphucker> did i read all wrong?!
[13:16] <gutphucker> didnt the faq say this summer?:P
[13:16] <Skrotus> I thought they were aiming to have the educational release out later this year, which will include a case
[13:16] <runde> Who needs a case anyway? ;-p
[13:17] <GabrialDestruir> That was the plan, not sure how well that'll go with them being backordered into oblivion.
[13:17] <gutphucker> Will it have a case?
[13:17] <gutphucker> Not for the first batch. We???ll be making and selling cases by the summer; you???ll be able to buy a unit with or without a case, or a case on its own."
[13:17] <Skrotus> I'm just gonna get the modmypi one, I like marcoa's one better but it's wayy too expensive
[13:17] <gutphucker> ah
[13:17] <GabrialDestruir> GO WITH LEGO
[13:17] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[13:17] <gutphucker> :D
[13:17] <Skrotus> lol
[13:17] <Skrotus> I don't have any lego!
[13:17] <GabrialDestruir> It's only 16ish bucks + 5 bucks for my design plan
[13:17] <gutphucker> ebay? ;)
[13:17] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[13:18] <gutphucker> haha
[13:18] <gutphucker> thinkin of somethin that can attach to the back of the tv
[13:18] <Skrotus> a few of them have vesa mounting stuff
[13:19] <gutphucker> with its lightweight one could make the mounting being a scart input..
[13:19] <GabrialDestruir> Only 5 of that actually goes to me, the rest goes directly to lego or wherever you get your legos xD
[13:19] <djazz> why doesn't my RPi reboot when i do the reboot command? It just shuts down and all lights remain on
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[13:20] <GabrialDestruir> Dunno.
[13:21] <GabrialDestruir> Does the same on mine. Depends on the OS
[13:21] <GabrialDestruir> Certain OS it'll reboot fine.... others it's like it just crashes instead.
[13:23] <djazz> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=6957
[13:23] <gutphucker> modmypi case unfortunately have the edge around the usb, would prevent some memorysticks from inserting fully?
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[13:31] <gordonDrogon> someone pointed this case out to me this morning: http://www.bitbarn.co.uk/thepishop/pihouse.htm
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> not a case as such, more of a sandwitch!
[13:32] <Skrotus> think I've seen that one before
[13:32] <Skrotus> I don't like all the holes in it, but I guess they're there to get at connectors and stuff
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> never had any issues with the reboot command myself, although it's not impossible something can get screwed up enough to lock up the hardware.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> yea (on the case front)
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> I like the skpang ones - just ordered 2 more.
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> and as it's only something like 10p more to get he "starter kit" I've gotten them.
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html
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[13:34] <Skrotus> ah nice
[13:34] <GabrialDestruir> I could build the same case with clear Lego bricks and it'd look more awesome :p
[13:34] <nid0> yay, booting with iscsi root (nearly) working
[13:35] <GabrialDestruir> Except that officially.... clear lego bricks don't exist.
[13:35] <lennard> I have to agree that decreases awesomeness
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[13:40] <Milos> man I hate USB/SD etc anything slow. it gets corrupted one way or another
[13:41] <Kripton> Milos, USB-HDD?
[13:41] <Milos> yeah that will be the best.
[13:41] <Milos> I spend like a day setting this up then it gets inoperably corrupted
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[13:41] <Milos> I should have known better anyway
[13:41] <Milos> should have used dd periodically
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> Milos, sure you don't have dodgy hardware?
[13:43] <Milos> yes, I unplugged it while it was booting and it became corrupted.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> unusual for that to happen in an un-recoverable way though.
[13:43] <Milos> everything gon
[13:43] <ExeciN> I try to keep USB ports as free as possible. Are there any (compatible?) Wi-Fi keyboard/mouse?
[13:43] <Milos> fsck -y /dev/sdb2 just made it mountable, with a lost+found folder with a bunch of nonsense
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> Milos, really suprised that happened during booting - where stuff is mostly being read..
[13:44] <Milos> :/
[13:44] <Skrotus> I just want to use my first one as a little low power headless webserver to start with, so I'm hoping to avoid all these issues :/
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> Skrotus, boot of SD, data via NFS, etc.
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[13:52] <mrec> hmm I have no rpi, however what's so special about it that normal armsysv toolchains don't work with it?
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> what's a normal armsysv toolchain?
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> is that something that's not Linux?
[13:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> Milos: my external HDD got fragged, too, and I didn't quite figure out why- I managed to rescue it to a bootable state, though... all but one of my partitions stopped being recognised
[13:55] <mrec> a normal armsysv toolchain is something that works everywhere however emdebian is an exception right now
[13:55] <Milos> Gadgetoid_Air, :(
[13:55] <mrec> it needs a special toolchain which is not common
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> mrec, still not sure what you mean. the Pi has a GPU with closed source drivers, so if your doing something thats not linux then it's not impossible but harder.
[13:56] <Davespice> hello_triangle.bin: triangle.c:167: init_ogl: Assertion `state->surface != ((EGLSurface)0)' failed. Aborted -- anyone know what the problem might be here? help appreciated thanks :)
[13:56] <mrec> gordonDrogon: I'd be happy to have a hello world binary ^^
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> the pi currently runs a more or less bog-standard linux.
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, give it more memory start192 e.g.
[13:56] <mrec> however it does not understand normal armsysv binaries
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> it understands noemal armel linux binaries.
[13:57] <Davespice> oh it is because of the memory split difference?
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, yes - I ran into the yesterday. I was using the 224 kernel.
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, and if your running the sdram at 500MHz it might fail also...
[13:57] <Davespice> gordonDrogon: is there anything you don't know? :) you're like the oracle
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, I'm not hot on cellular biology.
[13:58] <Davespice> haha
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> and I don't appear to know about armsysv either :)
[13:59] <mrec> gordonDrogon: do you know where I can get a working toolchain? without using debian as host os?
[13:59] <mrec> the armsysv incompatibility is shitty
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[14:01] <Davespice> yep thats fixed it, cheers gordonDrogon
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[14:04] <mrec> gordonDrogon:
[14:05] <mrec> this is supposed to be an armsysv file however it doesn't even start on the RPI
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[14:08] <Bynbo7> If I need to create an image of what I currently have on my SD card, could I just use dd if=/dev/<disk> of=foo.img ?
[14:08] <Bynbo7> I'd like to try out Arch instead of Debian, but I'd like to be able to get back to where I was if possible
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[14:09] <nid0> yay, iscsi root booting now (fully) working \o/
[14:10] <SStrife> nice
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[14:11] <SStrife> so you have a ZFS container as the iSCSI target?
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[14:12] <nid0> its using an ext4 iscsi target on my nas at the moment, zfs would be perfectly do-able though
[14:12] <SStrife> nice
[14:12] <SStrife> block-level de-dupe ftw
[14:13] <Dagger2> it's a pity the ridiculous hardware you need for ZFS dedup means that it's generally cheaper to just buy more disks :(
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[14:13] <SStrife> this is true
[14:14] <RoyK> SStrife: zfs dedup is *not* stable
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[14:14] <SStrife> ...still?
[14:14] <RoyK> still not
[14:14] <nid0> my girlfriend just had a bit of a suprised look on her face seeing my pi running fine with no sd card plugged in :)
[14:15] <SStrife> you still need one to kick it off though, right?
[14:15] <nid0> yeah it needs to be in for about 5 seconds on boot until initramfs has loaded
[14:15] <nid0> then can pull it out
[14:15] <RoyK> some new additions have come into illumos lately to allow async removal of datasets, which will help, but it zfs dedup still requires a truckload of ARC/L2ARC to be even remotely useful
[14:15] <Dagger2> it's perfectly *stable*, it just needs stupid amounts of RAM
[14:15] <SStrife> mm, same with my lowly nfsroot
[14:15] <SStrife> its nifty
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> mrec, what do you want me to do with that file?
[14:16] <RoyK> Dagger2: no, it's not. removing a deduped dataset may hang the system for a week
[14:16] <Kripton> Bynbo7, yes, that will work
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> root@pi0:/home/gordon# ./test
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> Hello, world
[14:17] <Dagger2> only because the dedup tables need to be read in
[14:17] <mrec> gordonDrogon: hmmm it won't run here
[14:17] <mrec> "No such file or directory"
[14:17] <Dagger2> just because it's a bit slow and can't do anything else at the same time doesn't mean it's unstable
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> mrec, your using the debian release - that's a different architecture.
[14:17] <SStrife> mrec: you might need to "chmod a+x [filename]
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> I'm running raspbian - it's armhf
[14:18] <RoyK> Dagger2: no, because it's not an async operation, and by hang, I mean hang, useless for anything
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> it's probably compiled for the armhf ABI.
[14:18] <nid0> wish the pi's nic supported iscsi offload though, iscsi root is vastly better for disk throughput but there's a fairly punishing cpu overhead
[14:18] <mrec> Linux pisces 3.1.9+ #66 Thu May 17 16:56:20 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[14:18] <mrec> I'm doing that remotely
[14:18] <RoyK> Dagger2: I had a server down for three days because of that - a reboot just made zfs continue - useless
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> mrec, cat /etc/debian_version
[14:18] <mrec> wheezy/sid ..
[14:20] <Dagger2> RoyK: yet it never actually crashed, it worked just fine in the end and it even survived reboots without a problem. I'd call that stable
[14:20] <mrec> ok doing some more tests here about it
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> root@pi2:/tmp# ./test
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> hello raspberry
[14:20] <Bynbo7> Kripton: excellent, thanks =)
[14:21] <blkhawk> I need to setup a dev machine
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[14:21] <gordonDrogon> actually, it works for me on both raspbian and std. debian.
[14:21] <blkhawk> should i set it up for armhf or armel?
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> it says hello raspberry in both cases.
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[14:21] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: maybe it does not use float
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[14:22] <mrec> -bash: ./test: No such file or directory
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, if your releasing binaries then you probably need to release for both architectures.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> mrec, try ldd test
[14:22] <blkhawk> i read the rasberry armhf isn't normal armhf
[14:22] <mrec> ldd test not a dynamic executable
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> that's right it's ARM6, not arm7.
[14:23] <Bynbo7> well I think the normal debian armhf only supports armv7 or greater
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> which is why the Raspbian project is compiling debian for arm6 with the armhf abi.
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> mrec, that's what I See - not a dynamic executable under raspbian, but it shows the linked libs under debian.
[14:24] <RoyK> Dagger2: a server being useless for half a week just beacuse I wanted to remove a dataset, isn't what I'd call stable, but then, you might have other opinions about that than I have ;)
[14:24] <blkhawk> i made an enclosure out of absplastic ast nit - following the pattern for the papercraft one
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> mrec, debian kernel is Linux pi2 3.1.9+ #89 PREEMPT Wed May 30 12:29:35 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[14:24] <Bynbo7> i assume anything that runs on armv5 will run on armv6 right?
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> I can't tell you - don't know that much about arm archiectures/instruction sets.
[14:25] <Bynbo7> pretty sure they're backwards compatible
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[14:27] <Dagger2> RoyK: but we're not talking about your server, we're talking about ZFS dedup :)
[14:27] <Dagger2> your server might be unstable, but that's only because ZFS dedup is slow, not because dedup is unstable
[14:28] <Dagger2> but yeah, either way, the lesson is not to use ZFS dedup unless you really know what you're doing
[14:28] <RoyK> Dagger2: no, you misunderstand - removing a dataset will block all i/o for that time, meaning the server will be effectively down, which isn't stable imho
[14:29] <RoyK> Dagger2: so until that bug is fixed, dedup isn't useful on zfs unless you don't remove datasets, which is rubbish
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[14:29] <Dagger2> and if you do use it, delete a few files at a time instead of whole datasets
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[14:30] <Dagger2> yeah, I've experienced it before, but I don't think ZFS dedup is unstable just because it blocks I/O for a long time
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[14:31] <Dagger2> if it permanently hung or crashed, or corrupted your pools... sure
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[14:31] <Dagger2> and the server as an overall unit is pretty unstable if it hangs for long periods of time
[14:32] <kekzpriester> hope you're not thinking about using zfs on the RPi
[14:32] <Dagger2> but that doesn't automatically mean that *dedup* is unstable... it's just slow
[14:32] <Dagger2> kekzpriester: well...
[14:32] <Dagger2> I've had it working on a system with 512 MB of RAM
[14:32] <Davespice> all you Brits, get on BBC 1 right now, its your duty :)
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[14:33] <Dagger2> and I think I was limiting it to ~128 MB of RAM at the time, so it might be possible
[14:33] <blkhawk> whats on bbc1?
[14:33] <SStrife> kekzpriester: I suggested earlier that one could boot Pi from a ZFS iSCSI container
[14:33] <SStrife> over the network
[14:34] <SStrife> and with that, i must sleep
[14:34] <SStrife> laters
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[14:35] <blkhawk> ah the queen
[14:37] <Skrotus> what about her?
[14:37] <blkhawk> diamond jubilee
[14:37] <blkhawk> its today
[14:38] <Skrotus> is it her actual birthday? we get a queen's birthday holiday but it's never actually on her birthday
[14:38] <blkhawk> i had to fake-travel to the uk via vpn to find out :P
[14:39] <nid0> none of this is about her birthday
[14:39] <blkhawk> its about the coronation
[14:39] <Skrotus> oh right
[14:39] <blkhawk> it was on 2nd of june 53
[14:40] <freezer> is she still alive?
[14:40] <nid0> ...
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[14:41] <blkhawk> i think so
[14:41] <Skrotus> we'd know if she was dead, charles would be all over everything
[14:41] <blkhawk> i never been near enough to check for a pulse but i assume so since robot technology isn't there yet ;)
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[14:42] <stevejalim> afternoon all
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[14:42] <Skrotus> ello
[14:42] <stevejalim> just unboxed my raspi and getting set up - debian image boots from SD card, but I can't get it to react to my keyboard
[14:43] <stevejalim> (keyboard is an Apple A1048 which is known to work
[14:43] <stevejalim> am i missing anything obvious, like needing to enable USB first?
[14:43] <stevejalim> (surely not)
[14:43] <Axman6> what are you using to power it?
[14:43] <freezer> does it need special drivers?
[14:43] <nid0> its probably down to lack of power
[14:43] <Skrotus> my guess would be it might have something to do with your power supply
[14:43] <stevejalim> i'm using a PSU bought with the Pi
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[14:43] <stevejalim> from RS
[14:44] <Axman6> hey guys, you think it's a power supply issue? :P
[14:44] <Skrotus> :/
[14:44] <stevejalim> 1200mA
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[14:44] <stevejalim> should be enough, surely
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[14:44] <Skrotus> yeah sounds reasonable to me
[14:44] <Axman6> mine's been working fine with an iPhone charger, which I believe is less than that
[14:44] <stevejalim> have tried the old clacky Apple keyboard and new 'low profile' one and neither works
[14:44] <Skrotus> I'm out of ideas, I don't have one
[14:44] <freezer> stevejalim, type lsusb
[14:44] <freezer> see if it shows up
[14:44] <Axman6> Stried the other USB port? :\
[14:44] <stevejalim> freezer: i can't type anything
[14:44] <Axman6> -S*
[14:45] <stevejalim> no response to keypresses
[14:45] <stevejalim> Axman6: yeah, tried both
[14:45] <freezer> stevejalim, you could ssh to it
[14:45] <Axman6> also, was it plugged in when you powered it on?
[14:45] <stevejalim> yes
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[14:45] <Axman6> my kb and mouse didn't work unless I had them plugged in at boot
[14:45] <blkhawk> i use an old apple keyboard
[14:45] <blkhawk> it works
[14:45] <stevejalim> blkhawk: cool. was it just plug and play?
[14:45] <blkhawk> yes
[14:45] <blkhawk> very much so
[14:45] <stevejalim> which USB port is it in? closest to board?
[14:46] <blkhawk> ermi had it in both
[14:46] <stevejalim> sure
[14:46] <blkhawk> never had trouble
[14:46] <blkhawk> do you have an extra sdcard?
[14:46] <stevejalim> apple keyboard works in mac so it is nt that
[14:47] <blkhawk> well it could be that the keyboard isn't recognized as a input device but that isn't it in this case
[14:47] <Axman6> anyone running Arch on their pi? I need to know what version of GCC it comes with
[14:47] <stevejalim> could HDMI be drawing too much/
[14:47] <blkhawk> no
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[14:47] <stevejalim> all i wantto be able to do is SSH in from my mac to the pi
[14:47] <blkhawk> do you have an extra sd card?
[14:47] <stevejalim> i have other SD card around, yeah
[14:47] <nid0> you dont need keyboard access to enable ssh
[14:48] <blkhawk> there are other images that have ssh on by default
[14:48] <blkhawk> http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[14:48] <blkhawk> this for instance
[14:48] <nid0> just plug the sd card back into the pc you wrote it from, youll have the boot partition exposed to it
[14:48] <blkhawk> ah
[14:48] <blkhawk> right
[14:48] <nid0> rename boot_enable_ssh.rc to boot.rc
[14:48] <blkhawk> nid0: i always forget about that
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[14:48] <freezer> i thought it's already enabled on the debian image?
[14:48] <stevejalim> nid0: i tried htat but can't see it in the image
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[14:48] <stevejalim> no, it's not
[14:48] <nid0> freezer, nope
[14:48] <freezer> i did apt-get install openssh-server
[14:49] <stevejalim> (am using a microsd in an adapter FWIW, but surely fine)
[14:49] <freezer> but it just updated it
[14:49] <freezer> and restarted
[14:49] <freezer> dunno..
[14:49] <stevejalim> nid0: ah! i see the file to rename. wood, trees etc
[14:50] <reider59> Pi is fussy with SD Cards, personally I`d dump the micro SD asap
[14:50] <freezer> my card works great now thanks to gordonDrogon's new kernel
[14:50] <stevejalim> mv: rename boot_enable_ssh.rc to boot.rc: Read-only file system
[14:50] <stevejalim> dammit :)
[14:50] <freezer> before it wouldn't even boot
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[14:50] <stevejalim> will try a different SD too
[14:51] <freezer> if the system boots
[14:51] <freezer> and you plug the keyboard in and out
[14:51] <freezer> you should see usb debug messages
[14:51] <blkhawk> it worked with all sdcards i tried it with - microsd or regular
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[14:52] <freezer> if you see nothing at all it's probably a power issue
[14:52] <freezer> or your Pi is defective
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[14:53] <reider59> check the hdmi cable if using it, mine sometimes needs support around where it plugs into the Pi to stop a black screen
[14:54] <stevejalim> could a crap SD card affect the USB tho?
[14:54] <reider59> it could yes, that's your OS
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[14:54] * urs just built opentyrian for the rpi. Works like a charm.
[14:55] <freezer> but usb modules are built into the kernel?
[14:55] <freezer> so if it boots
[14:55] <stevejalim> exactly
[14:55] <nid0> stevejalim the readonly error you got when trying to rename the file, did you manage to clear that?
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[14:55] <stevejalim> yeah, had clicked the switch on the card
[14:55] <nid0> ah, that was gonna be my question :>
[14:55] <stevejalim> renamed to boot.rc and sshd is running
[14:55] <stevejalim> now, to find the IP
[14:55] <stevejalim> tho the eth0 isn't blinking at all
[14:56] <stevejalim> and my router doesn't see it as valid
[14:56] <nid0> ah that needs another write via the boot partition
[14:56] <stevejalim> say again?
[14:56] <nid0> set ip=xx.xx.xx.xx or ip=dhcp in cmdline.txt
[14:56] <blkhawk> stevejalim: you know you might want to use a different power source
[14:56] <stevejalim> blkhawk: i'd be surprised if the official PSU didn't hack it (which is what I'm using)
[14:56] <nid0> thatll bring up eth0 accordingly during boot
[14:57] <blkhawk> stevejalim: you haver an official psu?
[14:57] <reider59> I just applied a static IP to mine and matched it in the router, instead of DHCP
[14:57] <stevejalim> blkhawk: yep, bought with my Pi
[14:57] <stevejalim> 1200mA
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[14:57] <blkhawk> ah
[14:57] <blkhawk> ya well
[14:57] <blkhawk> semi-official
[14:57] <stevejalim> reider59: yep, sound wise, but I don't have keyboard access at the mo
[14:57] <reider59> okies
[14:57] <nid0> stevejalim read up
[14:57] <reider59> got the link to the how to if you get access
[14:57] <nid0> you can set it via cmdline.txt via a host machine
[14:58] <nid0> the same way you renamed the file for ssh access
[14:58] <stevejalim> ah i get you
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[14:59] <stevejalim> nid0: do you know exactly what to put? I don't have much tinkering time as need to go bacl and help with newborn baby soon :)
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[14:59] <nid0> open cmdline.txt and youll see a string
[14:59] <nid0> add in there anywhere (say, right before the root= string) ip=xx.xx.xx.xx or ip=dhcp
[14:59] <reider59> Static IP "How To".....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcqQwBpB3Rw&feature=relmfu
[14:59] <nid0> depending on whether you want a static ip or assigned via dhcp
[14:59] <stevejalim> thanks both
[15:00] <blkhawk> where is the cross compile guide for raspbian with armhf?
[15:00] <blkhawk> I'm setting up a build machine for it
[15:00] <stevejalim> nid0: dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[15:01] <nid0> yeah in there
[15:01] <nid0> before root= is fine
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[15:01] <reider59> <<< started putting together an archive of info and links. But so far only the stuff I need or may be popular with a few people
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[15:03] <ReggieUK> oh joy, is this another website fragmenting information?
[15:03] <stevejalim> nid0: nuts, no joy :(
[15:03] <stevejalim> ssh times out
[15:03] <stevejalim> no ping response on the IP I've set
[15:04] <nid0> what did you set in the file?
[15:04] <Fuggin|AFK> hello...I just put on gnome3 on the raspi and it is asking me for the administrative password...the password I set earlier wont work. Is there some default password?
[15:04] <stevejalim> root=
[15:05] <nid0> yeah thatll break it totally
[15:05] <stevejalim> really?
[15:05] <nid0> its ip= you need
[15:05] <nid0> root= needs to stay as /dev/mmcblk0p2
[15:05] <stevejalim> argh, sorry i meant ip= not roo=
[15:05] <stevejalim> root=
[15:05] <stevejalim> root= is untouched
[15:05] <stevejalim> will try ip=dchp
[15:06] <nid0> alright. that ip is available on your router and in the same subnet?
[15:06] <dmsuse> Fuggin|AFK: try the root pass? gnome is gona be slow as hell on rpi
[15:06] <stevejalim> nid0: yep and yep
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> Woo hoo. I can boot a Pi directly into BASIC in 4 seconds.
[15:06] <nid0> try setting it to dhcp then if available, once thats done if you still have issues is your pi totally headless or can you hook up a screen?
[15:07] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: building a bbcmicro distro are we?
[15:07] <Fuggin|AFK> dmsuse: I tried the default root password and I tried the password I had changed it to
[15:07] <reider59> is a router I use as a hub here
[15:07] <stevejalim> nid0: HDMI works fine, but USB keyboard doesn't
[15:07] <stevejalim> so more armless than headless :)
[15:08] <nid0> no problem there, if you still get no connection when using dhcp, just being able to see the boot process via a screen will help
[15:08] <reider59> thats only for my upstairs though, turned it off over the winter
[15:09] <mjr> the Pi is _never_ ARMless :??
[15:09] <stevejalim> nid0: booting now with dchp, but nada
[15:09] <stevejalim> no port-in-use light on my router, no blinking on Pi's etho
[15:09] <stevejalim> eth0
[15:09] <reider59> is the keyboard plugged directly into the Pi? I may have missed that while munching dinner
[15:10] <nid0> hum, no lights at all on either the pi or the router port?
[15:10] <stevejalim> PI has OK and Power lights
[15:10] <stevejalim> but three other on the board are off
[15:11] <nid0> did you get any nic lights when setting a static ip?
[15:11] <stevejalim> and nada on the actual rj-45 socket
[15:11] <stevejalim> nope
[15:11] <nid0> got another cable to try?
[15:11] <nid0> or verified elsewhere that that cable's good?
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, no - a RTB distro :) Return to Basic :)
[15:12] <nid0> if you get another cable and it does the same thing, or you know that cable's good, I would suggest you have a genuine problem with your pi's USB system (the pi's nic runs over usb, coupled with your usb keyboard problem)
[15:14] <stevejalim> if the cable is good, i guess that means it's a trip to returnsville for me. How frustrating
[15:14] <stevejalim> will try a new SD too, just in case the micro + sleeve somehow affects things
[15:14] <nid0> well, just to be on the safe side if the cable is good, try wiping and rewriting your card or using a different card just in case
[15:15] <nid0> but if the system is booting, its probably unlikely to be the os image
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[15:16] <ReggieUK> ny bet is power
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[15:16] <ReggieUK> get usb hub that's powered
[15:16] <ReggieUK> then try everything again
[15:16] <stevejalim> it's pretty lame that the 'official' PSU can't hack the standard config, then
[15:16] <nid0> he's using a 1200ma supply from RS, it may be dodgy and have problems with an external usb device but it should no way be causing nic problems
[15:17] <ReggieUK> ok, well, 700ma for the pi, 500ma for a standard usb keyboard + 100ma for a mouse = 1300ma
[15:17] <ReggieUK> anyone see anything wrong with that math?
[15:18] <nid0> yes, that the nic doesnt work with no keyboard or mouse plugged in.
[15:18] <daxroc> I would agree, But I dissagree it's a psu issue more like the fuses are set too low. As I'm powering of a 2.2Amp 5.1v supply and getting the same issues with usb devices works fine with no usb devices connected.
[15:18] <ReggieUK> didn't know it had gotten thatg far
[15:18] <Moofie> 500mA for a stupid keyboard?
[15:18] <ReggieUK> take a look on the back of the keyboard
[15:19] <ReggieUK> mouse is definitely 100ma or larger
[15:19] <ReggieUK> I'm slightly confused as to what the fuses are rated for on the pi
[15:19] <ReggieUK> I thought they were 700ma polys
[15:19] <Moofie> cheap mouse and keyboard from dell, both 100mA
[15:19] <ReggieUK> but then I read somewhere else that they were 140ma
[15:20] <stevejalim> 200ma max says back of apple kbd
[15:20] <dmsuse> just get a wireless keyboard/mouse :P
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[15:21] <blkhawk> the wireless stuff doesn't work on a really minimal system
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[15:21] <ReggieUK> Moofie, stevejalim, no one mentioned what theirs was, 500ma seemed to be the average (on the 4 or 5 I'd looked at so far)
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[15:22] <nid0> those are some hungry keyboards, i've just checked 3 of mine, all backlit, and theyre all rated at 200-300
[15:22] <daxroc> all mine here are rated 5v @500mA
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[15:24] <trevorman> ReggieUK: 140mA on each of the USB ports. 1.1A on the power input. The RPi itself wants 700mA+
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[15:25] <ReggieUK> according to the troublshooting wiki:
[15:25] <ReggieUK> Some USB devices require a lot of power: most will have a label showing the voltage and mA requirements. They should be 5v 100mA each max, any more than this they must be used with a powered USB hub.
[15:25] <stevejalim> interestng
[15:25] <stevejalim> will go into the attic and dig out a craptastic non-apple USB keyboard
[15:26] <daxroc> I think it's time to add this issue to a (the) trouble shooting page, check power requriemnts of usb devices and if nessary use an externaly powered usb hub !
[15:26] <nid0> stevejalim just to confirm here, you *were* trying to boot and get the nic going with no keyboard/mouse plugged in right?
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[15:26] <stevejalim> nid0: ha - literally just stareted doing that now
[15:26] <ReggieUK> nid0 :D
[15:26] <stevejalim> also no HDMI in case that's factor
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[15:27] <ReggieUK> I wonder why they chose to put 100ma ports on the pi?
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[15:28] <trevorman> stevejalim: I'm using an old apple USB and its okay here
[15:28] <nid0> cost of higher rated circuitry throughout most likely, and keeping it easy to power
[15:28] <nid0> if you allow 500ma ports on the pi that is itself usb powered, you're looking at needing a 2 amp supply to run it
[15:28] <ReggieUK> that's the thing though, it's not usb powered as such
[15:29] <ReggieUK> mine is running of a 1amp apple charger
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[15:29] <ReggieUK> microsoft intellimouse optical (100ma), ideazon Zboard (500ma)
[15:29] <blkhawk> using a mobile phonecharger insures that people only use only a stable 5v psu
[15:29] <daxroc> ReggieUK: not yet, but could be there is work ongoing on the accessing the sd storage via micro-usb I think
[15:30] <stevejalim> trevorman: thanks. dammit, may have a rotten raspi
[15:30] <nid0> stevejalim: still no nic lights with no usb devices hooked up?
[15:30] <ReggieUK> what are teh actual error messages that you're getting?
[15:30] <blkhawk> stevejalim: :(
[15:30] <ReggieUK> can you post a boot log?
[15:31] <D34TH> s/rotten/spoiled/
[15:31] <Simon-> the NIC won't power on unless the USB driver is working properly
[15:32] <ReggieUK> have you tried a different distro?
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[15:35] <trevorman> daxroc: huh? accessing the sd storage via micro-usb?
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[15:40] <ReggieUK> oh, another thing I noticed last night
[15:40] <daxroc> trevorman:Read it somewhere, don't know if it's possible ?
[15:40] <ReggieUK> lots of people putting swap on their SD cards
[15:40] <ReggieUK> I take it they're all prepared for their SD cards to die relatively soon?
[15:40] <daxroc> ReggieUK: nice way to kill them
[15:40] <trevorman> daxroc: the data lines aren't connected at all on the microusb power socket
[15:41] <ReggieUK> daxroc, indeed, that's why I'm mentioning it now
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[15:41] <nid0> "putting" swap on sd cards? the debian image includes a swap by default
[15:41] <ReggieUK> there seemed to be a distinct lack of discussion about the pros and cons of swap
[15:42] <ReggieUK> which is something else I wanted to mention
[15:42] <daxroc> trevorman: think they did mention that
[15:42] <ReggieUK> who's bright idea was that to turn it on in the default image?
[15:43] <SuperRoach> Good evening :) having fun with a printed case: http://i.imgur.com/lAN3V.jpg Could anyone recommend a method to login/remote into it? is it active by default?
[15:43] <blkhawk> SuperRoach: depends on the image
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[15:43] <nid0> assuming you're using the debian image plug your sd card into the host machine you wrote it from originally, rename boot_enable_ssh.rc to boot.rc
[15:44] <ReggieUK> and not even bother to warn anyone of the impications of using swap on flash based devices
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[15:44] <nid0> then youll have ssh access to the system
[15:44] <SuperRoach> blkhawk, it's the stocck debian image listed on the raspberry pi website.
[15:44] <blkhawk> ah
[15:44] <blkhawk> then see above :)
[15:44] <SuperRoach> Excellent, thanks nid0 / blkhawk
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[15:45] <blkhawk> ReggieUK: modern flash should takea bit of swap abuse
[15:45] <blkhawk> also the swap is mounted at -1 and only used if there is no memory left
[15:45] <ReggieUK> define modern flash, then show me that everyone is using modern flash
[15:46] <ReggieUK> there are all sorts of random cards in use
[15:46] <blkhawk> modern flash as in sd card bought in the last 4 years
[15:46] <blkhawk> yes
[15:46] <blkhawk> and the old cards are small
[15:46] <blkhawk> sub 2GB don't work with the images
[15:47] <blkhawk> so its sorta modern :)
[15:47] <blkhawk> also cards are cheap
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[15:47] <blkhawk> even a kid in school can buy a new one if it wears out
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[15:48] <blkhawk> and last but not least the new sd and microsdcards have wear-leveling
[15:48] <blkhawk> in fact i think they had that from the start
[15:48] <ReggieUK> yeah, the issue is not whether sd cards are easy to acquire, it's whether you're in the middle of something when the card breaks, can you recover your data etc.
[15:48] <ReggieUK> way more issues than just buying a new one
[15:48] <nid0> a decent size card is going to last forever with pi swapping
[15:49] <blkhawk> nid0: y point that
[15:49] <SuperRoach> ReggieUK, the problem is with the stock image right? wouldn't you just adapt it once you made a stable image or something you liked?
[15:49] <blkhawk> I suggest we do not worry about people using the same card for 5 years ,kay
[15:49] <nid0> a, what, 128MB swap thats barely ever used and is wear-levelled across an entire, say, 8GB card is very little extra overhead
[15:50] <ReggieUK> you're all assuming best case scenarios
[15:50] <blkhawk> ReggieUK: and you are assuming worst
[15:51] <blkhawk> you assume that somebody with no money and opurtunity to buy a new sd card - say he is on mars or antarktika
[15:51] <nid0> heres how much my swap is thrashing my memory card at the moment
[15:51] <ReggieUK> or is poor and it's 2am
[15:51] <nid0> Swap: 131068k total, 0k used, 131068k free
[15:51] <blkhawk> uses a 2GB card bought in 2006 for enomous amounts of money
[15:51] <blkhawk> and it breaks
[15:52] <blkhawk> nid0: oh the humanity!
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[15:54] <blkhawk> ReggieUK: give up you are beaten
[15:54] <blkhawk> :P
[15:54] <blkhawk> I read that new cards are up to 100k rewrites
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[15:55] <Yngwiie> SD cards are pretty durable, i have one that i have used now for 2 years, washed it several times (unintensionally), dropped it, sat on it, what not, still working...
[15:55] <ReggieUK> 100k is not particularly that much
[15:55] <Yngwiie> yeah 100k erase cycles per block
[15:55] <Yngwiie> also the controller spreads out your writes, so you dont hit specific blocks too many times, so the wear evens out
[15:56] <Yngwiie> one thing to impreove life time of the SD is to disable journaling
[15:56] <nid0> (or offload your root + swap to nfs or iscsi)
[15:56] <nid0> then pull out the sd card
[15:57] <blkhawk> whats 100k times 4gb?
[15:57] <blkhawk> :P
[15:57] <blkhawk> and how long does it take to write that at 4.5mb/sec?
[15:57] <Yngwiie> or just get a bigger one, since the controller evens out the wear, the larger the SD card the more it will last you
[15:57] <ReggieUK> so you're assuming the whole 4Gb is now available for wear levelling?
[15:57] <ReggieUK> awesomesauce
[15:58] <ReggieUK> that there isn't going to be an OS with other files on it occupying any space
[15:58] <blkhawk> answer: almost 3 years of constant writing
[15:58] <Yngwiie> yeah, 3 years sounds about right
[15:58] <nid0> the values are still huge. an 8GB card is, say 6GB after os, with a 128MB swap thats 47x the swap space available for wear levelling
[15:58] <Yngwiie> put it at 2 years, still good imo
[15:59] <nid0> and again, the biggest factor here is that the pi *barely ever swaps*
[15:59] <blkhawk> ReggieUK: it doesn't matter - if its 2 years of constant IO or 3 years of constant IO
[15:59] <ReggieUK> and you're still assuming that the spare space won't be taken up by the users own data
[15:59] <Yngwiie> cant you disable swap ?
[15:59] <nid0> sure
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[15:59] <blkhawk> ok
[15:59] <nid0> ReggieUK's problem is that there's a swap enabled by default
[15:59] <nid0> but ofc you can turn it off
[15:59] <blkhawk> lets assume we have only 128mb for swap freee and its constantly written to
[16:00] <ReggieUK> no, my problem is that there is swap enabled by default and no sensible discussion as to whether it's a good idea or not, or what potential pitfalls there might be
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[16:00] <blkhawk> 32 days
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[16:00] <blkhawk> of constant raspberry locking IO
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[16:01] <Yngwiie> ReggieUK, if you are swapping heavily it can cause problems sure
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[16:01] <blkhawk> exspecially if your card is full to the brim
[16:01] <ReggieUK> and as we're all different it would be daft to assume that there won't be people swapping heavily
[16:01] <ReggieUK> whether by design or accident
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[16:01] <blkhawk> for 32 days?
[16:01] <nid0> well, people swapping heavily will have basically unusable pis anyway
[16:02] <blkhawk> ya
[16:02] <nid0> because the sd card swap is so unimaginably slow
[16:02] <SuperRoach> eep, hope I didn't brick it. I pulled the power out of it to do the boot.rc file rename and not having much happen now. I'll try rename it back.
[16:03] <blkhawk> SuperRoach: its almost unpossible to brick a raspberry
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[16:05] <SuperRoach> ok. I may have to look at why i can't boot then, probably wait till i have a screen to plug it into.
[16:05] <mythos> what about swapoff?
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[16:06] <Yngwiie> is there a way to solder more RAM to the board :D
[16:06] <trevorman> no
[16:06] <Yngwiie> i know :)
[16:06] <daxroc> swap on embeded system is _wrong_.
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[16:08] <daxroc> Yngwiie: why do you need more ram?
[16:08] <Yngwiie> it was a joke, but having more RAM is always good, you should take into account that most people will treat the pi as a PC and not that much as an embedded system
[16:08] <trevorman> swap on an embedded system is fine if its there for a specific purpose and not generally used :P my old TiVo had swap which was purely there for when you had to do fsck on the massive media partitions. during normal operation, it never used it.
[16:09] <ReggieUK> trevorman, that's something I don't disagree with
[16:09] <trevorman> if your device requires swap for general operation then you're doing it wrong
[16:10] <trevorman> nobody who makes SD cards actually publish the intricate details of how the controllers inside the cards actually work and do the wear leveling. SSDs however they do publish this information as they tout their own special algorithm as being special and better than other brands.
[16:10] <daxroc> trevorman: "massive media partitions" wern't on flash storage tho. By default it should be off IMO.
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[16:10] <trevorman> there are plenty of reports from people with SD cards dying in stuff like sheevaplugs because they're writing so much to it so its not going to take you many years to kill it
[16:10] <ReggieUK> in general, my understanding was that the first block is garuanteed for XXk writes, everything else is covered under wear-leveling on the controller chip itself
[16:11] <trevorman> ReggieUK: yes
[16:11] <ReggieUK> and depending on the block size, writing 1byte can kill a write for 512KB
[16:11] <trevorman> could be more than 512kb
[16:12] <trevorman> basic sector is 512 anyway but erase blocks can be massive
[16:12] <ReggieUK> so bandying the numbers about like they have been assuming best case scenarios is misleading?
[16:12] <trevorman> sandisk used to have 4MB ones
[16:12] <trevorman> yes
[16:12] <dmsuse> Yngwiie: you could use swap on a usb stick
[16:12] <ReggieUK> I thought so :)
[16:13] <mythos> or compressed ram
[16:13] <ReggieUK> but again, with usb stick, you're back to basic flash memory and the same issues as sd cards
[16:13] <ReggieUK> it's all nand afaik
[16:13] <trevorman> I do agree that it is a bit silly for technical reasons to have it on by default but as its supposed to be a general purpose image for people to play with and make their initial development on then swap being on is probably the correct decision
[16:13] <trevorman> they just need to have some warnings about it
[16:14] <ReggieUK> that's my issue
[16:14] <ReggieUK> there are zero warnings
[16:14] <mythos> ramzswap <-- is quite useful
[16:14] <ReggieUK> we're also assuming that people are using new cards, that haven't been abused anywhere else
[16:15] <ReggieUK> that aren't full up of users data
[16:16] <trevorman> you should be able to test whether its tracking free blocks and whether there are any reserved blocks you can't see
[16:16] <daxroc> trevorman: No as the inital documentation being creating now is saying use xyz.img now and will more than likly be around / outdated when the general public adopt and will kill / dull people impresions of the hardware / stablitiy. How usefull is swapping to flash storage are very minimal.
[16:16] <trevorman> fill up the card and if your write performance suddenly drops like a stone then its trying to be clever behind the scene
[16:17] <trevorman> daxroc: people already think that RPi is going to be a replacement for a general purpose computer and be able to run the latest/greatest browser + plugins
[16:17] <trevorman> I think that ship has already sailed
[16:17] <daxroc> lol
[16:19] <SuperRoach> aw, no luck booting anymore :(
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[16:20] <daxroc> trevorman: it would be usable, just noting spectacular in the multi-tasking scenario
[16:21] <ReggieUK> if it's hardly ever using swap, why turn it on, why not wait for whatever app. breaks and then enable it when you need it
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[16:22] <daxroc> or use a small ram disk and then it's easy to change later
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[16:37] <Mike632T> The default debian image (19/4) doesn't seem to include source for security patches or updates in sources.list - should I add them back in..?
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[17:02] <PhonicUK> lo all
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[17:03] <SuperRoach> magpi is awesome.
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[17:09] <PhonicUK> woo my pi has been running for a whole working week xD
[17:09] <PhonicUK> well longer than that really
[17:09] <PhonicUK> nearly 6 days
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[17:10] <_av500_> PhonicUK: is it watching the jubilee today?
[17:10] <PhonicUK> hell no
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[17:10] <_av500_> you are cruel
[17:10] <IT_Sean> M'ning
[17:11] * SpeedEvil looks at a jubilee clip.
[17:11] <dmsuse> PhonicUK: doing anything?
[17:11] <PhonicUK> nope
[17:12] <dmsuse> aww, you should have had it doing something
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[17:13] <PhonicUK> it can compile more stuff in celebration of how little i give a damn
[17:14] <dmsuse> you don't care about your pi?
[17:14] <PhonicUK> i care about my pi :P
[17:14] <PhonicUK> i don't care about the jubilee
[17:14] <PhonicUK> hmm
[17:14] <dmsuse> oh
[17:15] <PhonicUK> i think a week at 875mhz would indicate its stable xD
[17:15] <dmsuse> considering it has been sitting idle for a week, it's not really a good test of it's stability
[17:15] <PhonicUK> its not been idle for a whole week, its been busy
[17:16] <PhonicUK> (when you said doing anything with someone asking about the jubilee, i thought you were asking me if i was doing anything xD)
[17:16] <PhonicUK> it spends most of its time compiling stuff. It took 2 days compiling all of qemu
[17:16] <dmsuse> oh lmao
[17:16] <dmsuse> cool then
[17:16] <dmsuse> i had a feeling it would crash fairly often
[17:17] <dmsuse> even without load
[17:17] <PhonicUK> nah mine is pretty stable
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[17:17] <PhonicUK> 6 days of compiling, watching HD videos, playing quake and other games
[17:19] <PhonicUK> i've even had mine playing 3D videos in SBS mode
[17:19] <dmsuse> im gona have mine to play videos, might add some switched to my breadboard to skip to next video
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[17:19] <dmsuse> and a php interface to switch stuff too
[17:19] <PhonicUK> I use a remote control xD
[17:19] <dmsuse> 3d as in, with the red and cyan glasses?
[17:20] <Softnux> I'm thinking of adding a blutetooth dongle and making a android app for control
[17:20] <PhonicUK> no as in proper proper 3D
[17:20] <PhonicUK> with a 3D TV plugged into HDMI
[17:20] <dmsuse> oooo
[17:20] <PhonicUK> it supports it pretty nicely
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[17:21] <SuperRoach> cool Softnux
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[17:25] <haltdef> sorry but SBS isn't proper 3d
[17:25] <haltdef> not unless it's two 1920x1080 images side by side
[17:26] <_av500_> it is 3d
[17:26] <_av500_> just lowres
[17:26] <haltdef> yes, so not proper
[17:26] <haltdef> :D
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[17:28] <reider59> strangely mine keeps refusing to work with the resizing of the SD Card, when it gets to the sudo resize2fs /dev/mmcblk02p part it says permission denied. Tried alsorts, just wiping it now and starting with nothing but SSH added, when its ready
[17:29] <kvarley> Has anybody tried booting android on the pi?
[17:29] <kvarley> I was considering swapping out a system.img from openelec with a cyanogenmod one and seeing what happens
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[17:32] <_av500_> explosion
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[17:35] <Moofie> hmm, playing 720p video using omxplayer with debian image appears to loose hdmi connection now and then
[17:36] <Moofie> screen blanks and TV detects input as if it just started receiving input via hdmi
[17:36] <reider59> check the cable, mine needs support near the pi hdmi connector
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[17:37] <Moofie> hmm, I could try another cable as well, it's a new one though
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[17:40] <trevorman> Moofie: I had to increase the HDMI signal slightly for it to be reliable with the monitor + cable I've got
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[17:40] <Moofie> increase the HDMI signal??
[17:41] <Moofie> how do you do that?
[17:42] <Wolfram74> have you tried fiddling with the antenae?
[17:43] <trevorman> Moofie: config_hdmi_boost - http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_configuration
[17:43] <Moofie> other cable seems to be worse
[17:43] <Moofie> antenae, we don't use that here :)
[17:43] <Moofie> trevorman, let me try that
[17:44] <trevorman> if I don't use config_hdmi_boost then the monitor will occasionally show little glitches and not always recognise that there is a valid signal
[17:46] <Moofie> I must mention that I am playing the video from a mounted network share, not sure if it could be related
[17:47] <trevorman> shouldn't matter. I do that
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[17:48] <Moofie> is there a way to fast forward in a movie using omxplayer?
[17:48] <trevorman> I don't use omxplayer though but I've streamed 720p+ using samba and playing using xbmc
[17:48] <Moofie> I've seen the beginning several times now :p
[17:48] <trevorman> there are key commands for it
[17:49] <trevorman> try left and right
[17:49] <Moofie> hmm, setting the boost to 4 does not seem to fix it
[17:49] <trevorman> and up/down
[17:49] <trevorman> hm. not that then
[17:50] <Moofie> trevorman, when you say xbmc, do you mean the raspbmc image?
[17:50] <trevorman> openelec
[17:50] <Moofie> haven't tried that one yet
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[17:51] <trevorman> it came out firsts o thats the one I've been using
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[17:53] <kvarley> Moofie: Images of OpenELEC are available here - http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
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[18:12] <Moofie> hmm, openelec does not boot, Error in mount_disks: mount_common: Could not mount /dev/mmcblk0p1
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[18:14] <nid0> that sounds like a pretty fatal failure in writing the image to the sd card
[18:14] <McGooch> does anyone seem to have an issue where a key pressed seems to "stick" pressed until you hit another? This is a logitech wireless, maybe its the kbd. Anyone else having trouble?
[18:15] <Moofie> used win32diskimager
[18:15] <cslouiswith> McGooch: Try wired
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[18:16] <Moofie> nid0: and in windows, it does show a fat32 and 2nd primary partition
[18:16] <cslouiswith> Moofie: You can't use win32diskimager with openelec, they give you kernel and system images individually instead of a single img
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[18:16] <Moofie> cslouiswith, aha
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[18:16] <Moofie> so which image is this? http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[18:17] <nid0> anyone know off the top of their head whether the forum's moderated for *everything* or just new users below a post threshold?
[18:17] <cslouiswith> nid0: threshhold
[18:17] <kvarley> Moofie: The OpenELEC distribution which is essentially a lightweight linux distro to run XBMC
[18:17] <Kewlj1313> latest open elec images are here: http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/
[18:17] <cslouiswith> Moofie: I tried that one before and to me it looks exactly the same as the builds posted on the openelec website.
[18:18] <kvarley> Kewlj1313: Those are binaries ... Not images
[18:18] <Kewlj1313> ah yea kvarley?
[18:18] <Kewlj1313> but if you already have one verison of openelec installed
[18:18] <Kewlj1313> you can just update using the kernel and image
[18:18] <Kewlj1313> from those
[18:18] <Kewlj1313> it is easy
[18:18] <Kewlj1313> openelec will do it for you
[18:19] <cslouiswith> Has someone posted a single image of openelec for these without access to linux?#
[18:19] <kvarley> Kewlj1313: Yes - I wasn't saying that. Somebody asked about an image version before which is why I posted =]
[18:19] <Kewlj1313> gotcha
[18:19] <kvarley> =]
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[18:19] <Kewlj1313> cslouiswith any full image you should be able to apply from windows/linux
[18:20] <cslouiswith> Kewlj1313: which full image?
[18:20] <Kewlj1313> I found one by googling it
[18:21] <Kewlj1313> http://bit.ly/KYep8b
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[18:21] <kvarley> Everybody loves to click bit.ly links ...
[18:21] <Kewlj1313> :)
[18:21] <kvarley> heh
[18:22] <Moofie> I'm a little confused now. this is not a complete image? if not, what else is needed? http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[18:22] <cslouiswith> Moofie: It's a full image, it just requires you to set up the partitioning and stuff before you write the images
[18:23] <kvarley> Moofie: That's my image. Just write it to your SD card (256MB or greater) with dd or Win32DiskImager and then you can put it in your RPi and boot it.
[18:23] <Kewlj1313> info on an actual image etc here: http://blog.thestateofme.com/2012/05/20/xbmc-on-raspberry-pi-with-openelec-pt-2/
[18:24] <kvarley> Kewlj1313: An actual image?
[18:25] <Kewlj1313> kvarley like yours
[18:25] <kvarley> Kewlj1313: Ok thought I was missing something
[18:25] <Kewlj1313> images that can be written with dd or windiskimager
[18:25] <Kewlj1313> kvarley your images only make 256MB available tho?
[18:26] <Kewlj1313> even if written to a 8GB sd ?
[18:26] <Moofie> wrote the image again using win32diskimager, 2 partitions are on the card
[18:26] <kvarley> Moofie: No you can stick it in your pi and it should boot
[18:26] <kvarley> Kewlj1313: Yes - manual resizing of the second partition is needed. I investigated a boot script to resize it
[18:26] <Kewlj1313> ah yea
[18:26] <Kewlj1313> what would you use to rezie? gparted?
[18:26] <Moofie> it does not...
[18:26] <kvarley> Kewlj1313: But that isn't possible unless I used busybox to dynamically create it
[18:26] <Kewlj1313> yea
[18:27] <Kewlj1313> Moofie you get lights?
[18:27] <Kewlj1313> on the pi?
[18:27] <Moofie> kvarley, I get an error about mounting the 1st partition
[18:27] <Moofie> followed by system halted
[18:27] <kvarley> Kewlj1313: Yeah, gparted, parted, etc can be used to resize the data partition. It's a 200mb image so that it's a small dl size =]
[18:27] <Kewlj1313> yea kvarley
[18:27] <Kewlj1313> nice
[18:27] <Moofie> so it starts booting, but fails
[18:27] <kvarley> Moofie: What image version?
[18:27] <Moofie> latest
[18:27] <kvarley> Moofie: Gimme a sec
[18:28] <Moofie> OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20120603125323-r11212.img
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[18:29] <Moofie> TV shows this: *** Error in mount_disks: mount_common: could not mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 ***
[18:29] <kvarley> Moofie: it seems it was corrupted during upload
[18:29] <kvarley> Moofie: sorry about that
[18:29] <kvarley> Moofie: I will reupload
[18:29] <nacimmep> might want to fsck it
[18:29] <Moofie> ah, I'll try the previous one
[18:29] <kvarley> Moofie: Previous one definately works
[18:30] <nacimmep> that the fat partition?
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[18:36] <kvarley> Moofie: Re-uploading the image now. I have tested it on my device now and can confirm it works. It should be done by 6 PM GMT+1
[18:37] <jaakkos> where do i find the kernel source for the official r-pi debian image? perhaps it's one of the commits at https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux ?
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[18:37] <nid0> git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git
[18:37] <jaakkos> but which commit
[18:37] <Moofie> kvarley, OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20120602005330-r11203.img gives the same result. Might need to try another SD card...
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[18:40] <jaakkos> based on date it's 0ec4154d64
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[18:52] <trevorman> Moofie: if you've already got a working openelec install then its easier to just do the built in upgrade system instead of writing a whole new image to the card
[18:52] <Moofie> don't have an openelec install that works
[18:52] <trevorman> McGooch: yeah. the stuck key thing I get. not sure why. other people have reported it as well. not tried another keyboard yet.
[18:53] <trevorman> Moofie: as in bootable
[18:53] <Moofie> though the debian and raspbmc images work
[18:53] <McGooch> trevorman: What kind of kbd are you using?
[18:53] <trevorman> hm. read your error msg
[18:53] <trevorman> McGooch: some crappy old Apple USB keyboard
[18:53] <trevorman> its not wireless. model A1048
[18:54] <McGooch> Ah ok, so totally different. Good to know thanks
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[18:55] <trevorman> not sure what causes it. the keyboard claims to want 200ma so it mightbe glitchy due to that.
[18:57] <McGooch> Not sure what the draw is on the wireless dongle
[18:58] <ReggieUK> pi ports can only give out 100ma
[18:58] <ReggieUK> anything more than that needs an externally powered hub
[18:59] <McGooch> Its unfortunate that its so low
[18:59] <ReggieUK> no matter how many amps your psu can supply to teh pi through the micro-usb socket
[18:59] <McGooch> My PSU is 1000mA
[19:00] <ReggieUK> so is mine atm
[19:00] <ReggieUK> and everything works
[19:00] <ReggieUK> I do get an issue at boot where it complains about an inhibit bit on the sd card but it still boots
[19:00] <ReggieUK> and I get a stuck key on the keyboard every now and again
[19:00] <ReggieUK> so
[19:00] <ReggieUK> a powered hub for me when I can be bothered to unplug it from my pc
[19:02] <McGooch> Hopefully that can get addressed in a future release. If there isn't enough to even run a kbd, that kinda defeats the purpose
[19:02] <ReggieUK> anyone know if the 100ma limit is in hardware (on the usb controller IC) or hardware design by the foundation or software?
[19:02] <trevorman> design
[19:02] <trevorman> hardware that is
[19:03] <trevorman> its fed via a 140ma polyfuse from the 5V input
[19:03] <ReggieUK> there is enough to run a keyboard, if you buy the right keyboard
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[19:03] <ReggieUK> so the 140ma polyfuse is the only reason they're limited?
[19:03] <trevorman> yes
[19:03] <ReggieUK> or are there further design limitations (traces too small, etc.?)
[19:03] <trevorman> that + idk if the traces are sufficient
[19:03] <ReggieUK> :D
[19:03] <McGooch> Hopefully the educational release of the board will have a bigger limit
[19:04] <nid0> it wont
[19:04] <trevorman> but thats what is limiting it anyway for the boards we've currently got
[19:04] <ReggieUK> which seems odd to me
[19:04] <ReggieUK> pi is supposed to draw 700ma max? Does that include the usb sockets?
[19:04] <chris_99> what is a polyfuse?
[19:04] <ReggieUK> it's a resettable fuse
[19:04] <nid0> yes
[19:04] <ReggieUK> so it gets hot and blows
[19:04] <ReggieUK> then cools and hte device is usable again
[19:05] <chris_99> interesting
[19:05] <nid0> thats why the difference between the model a and b draw, the extra 200ma for the 1 extra usb plug + the (usb) nic
[19:05] <ReggieUK> you see them in lots of stuff
[19:05] <ReggieUK> arduino has got one
[19:05] <RaYmAn> the RS docs claims it will draw 1.2A max (in the box)
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[19:05] <trevorman> ReggieUK: 700ma is the minimum
[19:06] <ReggieUK> ahh
[19:06] <McGooch> But if every Pi user is essentially forced to get a powered hub just to connect a kbd then I think the simplicity is lost
[19:06] <nid0> they arent
[19:06] <nid0> its only power-gobbling keyboards that wont work
[19:06] <trevorman> McGooch: the edu board is the same as the one we've got except they don't populate the ethernet/USB chip and have a single socket. its the same PCB except they fit two links
[19:06] <nid0> any wireless keyboard will be fine as will and non-fancy one
[19:07] <ReggieUK> I'm pretty happy, I'll certainly cope with the pi and it's power requirements
[19:08] <teKuru> both my dell usb ones nd my microsoft wireless mouse dongle work with my pi
[19:08] <reider59> I`m running a wireless keyboard direct to the USB port of the Pi no problem, thankfully
[19:09] <ReggieUK> I'm thinking of getting a bluetooth keyboard at some point
[19:09] <trevorman> I think this apple usb keyboard is okay anyway. 200ma is because its got its own hub built in as well but I'm not using it.
[19:09] <ReggieUK> bt mouse would be useful too
[19:09] <McGooch> Mine works most of the time except for the sticky key issue. Its only a guess that this is a power issue right now
[19:09] <trevorman> McGooch: yes
[19:09] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: I'm waiting till someone sorts out power over bluetooth.
[19:09] <ReggieUK> my usb keyboard wants 500ma it's got a spare usb port but that is only capable of 100ma, so 400ma for my kb
[19:10] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, :D
[19:10] <cslouiswith> the usb is 150mA each, not 100ma
[19:10] <trevorman> cslouiswith: 140
[19:11] <cslouiswith> trevorman: close enough
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> Simply place the Pi in the greezer, with a fan blowing on it.
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> This will close to double th etrip currents of the fuses
[19:11] <trevorman> ReggieUK: 500ma? what keyboard you got?
[19:12] <trevorman> my massive G15 with LCD and LEDs everywhere wants 500mA
[19:12] <cslouiswith> trevorman: Probably backlight
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[19:12] <ReggieUK> cslouiswith
[19:12] <ReggieUK> Some USB devices require a lot of power: most will have a label showing the voltage and mA requirements. They should be 5v 100mA each max, any more than this they must be used with a powered USB hub. Try unplugging every USB device except the keyboard (you should also note that some keyboards have built in hubs and can try to draw 150mA (Pi can only handle 100mA per USB slot without a
[19:12] <ReggieUK> hub)).
[19:12] <nid0> i've got 3 backlit keyboards, and none of them draws more than 300ma
[19:12] <ReggieUK> quote directly from teh troubleshooting section of the wiki
[19:12] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: you can get the reverse. mouse with a fan
[19:12] <cslouiswith> the wiki is full of inaccuracies
[19:13] <chris_99> could you short these fuses, to allow more power or are they actually current limited elsewhere?
[19:13] <ReggieUK> people should be correcting the wiki if they know it's wrong
[19:13] <trevorman> chris_99: there is a 1.1A fuse on the power input as well
[19:13] <chris_99> aha
[19:14] <trevorman> not entirely sure that the traces are wide enough to run 500mA on each of the USB ports as well
[19:14] <ReggieUK> trevorman, indeed, that's why I was asking
[19:14] <trevorman> that + somebody will undoubtedly trying to run some massive HD off the USB ports
[19:14] <trevorman> but it only wants 1.2A! its got a double headed USB cable >.>
[19:15] <chris_99> so you guys don't think you can run wifi on them?
[19:15] <chris_99> without a hub
[19:15] <trevorman> doubt it'd be reliable
[19:15] <chris_99> bugger
[19:15] <ReggieUK> not according to the wiki if numbers are even remotely correct
[19:16] <trevorman> that said, people have managed to reverse power the RPi via the USB sockets when the polyfuses shouldn't let you at all
[19:16] <trevorman> they must have really cold rooms :P
[19:16] <ReggieUK> I need to read up on the polyfuses they're using as well
[19:16] <ReggieUK> never sure on the numbers
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> The trip current for the first trip of a virgin fuse is about double
[19:17] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, merci, that's what I wanted to look at
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> Goes with the resistance of an untripped fuse is lower too
[19:17] <ReggieUK> I knew there was 2x thing in there somewhere
[19:17] <ReggieUK> I remember seeing 2 values quoted for them
[19:18] <ReggieUK> for other polyfuses that is, on other devices
[19:18] <trevorman> ReggieUK: http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/706911-polyswitch-14a-reset-fuse-smd-minismdc014-2.html
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[19:19] <ReggieUK> thx
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[19:22] <trevorman> the RPi should be able to tell if the fuse trips
[19:23] <trevorman> probably won't know if its not quite there or jsut over the limit though
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[19:24] <ReggieUK> looking at the datsheet, I would say the wiki is about right on 100ma as a ballpark figure depending on the temperature
[19:24] <trevorman> you dont' want to run it at the limit anyway
[19:25] <ReggieUK> from 0-20-60c you get 170-140-90ma
[19:25] <ReggieUK> indeed
[19:25] <McGooch> trevorman, looking at the sheet that came with my kbd it says 100mA
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[19:25] <trevorman> not power then
[19:26] <trevorman> it should just be a basic USB HID keyboard though. the keyboard I'm using with the RPi has no special or weird features on it at all. I wouldnt' be surprised if a G15 didn't run properly but not that keyboard
[19:27] <McGooch> Its a logitech k400, its wireless and has internal batteries for the actual kbd and mouse combo
[19:27] <ReggieUK> so the current the keyboard draws is irrelevant
[19:27] <trevorman> appears so
[19:27] <ReggieUK> it's teh current that the usb to wireless adapter for the keyboard draws
[19:27] <McGooch> Yes, its just the dongle that matters, and its 100mA
[19:27] <ReggieUK> ok, glad we cleared that up
[19:28] <McGooch> Ok, is there a place to raise the sticky key issue as a bug or something?
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[19:34] <ReggieUK> the forums
[19:34] <ReggieUK> and probably the website for the distro that you are using
[19:35] <trevorman> I think its a kernel or hardware issue anyway
[19:35] <trevorman> its not specific to any distribution as I get it with all the ones I've tried
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[19:36] <ReggieUK> the recurring theme that I'm seeing is people reporting issues but not posting console boot logs
[19:36] <ReggieUK> I appreciate not everyone will have the kit to do it, or even know what I'm talking about
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[19:40] <ReggieUK> I'd like to see more emphasis from the distros on how to turn debugging on/off, start to debug issues for yourself etc.
[19:40] <jaxdahl2> i wonder how much current my keyboard draws with num/caps/scroll lock lights on versus off
[19:41] <trevorman> can't be much different
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[19:44] <McGooch> ReggieUK, if you can provide info on how to do that, I'd give it a shot. Mostly a linux newb
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[19:44] <hotwings> how you debug something depends on what youre trying to debug
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[19:45] <ReggieUK> get a 3.3v usb to serial adapter, connect it to the TX/RX pins and gnd on the Pi, open a terminal app. in your host PC, turn logging on, boot the pi, copy and paste log to pastebin.com, paste link on irc channel/forum/bug report
[19:46] <ReggieUK> might have to fiddle with the baud rate in the terminal app.
[19:47] <McGooch> ReggieUK, can you post a link to this adapter thing so I know what to get? I don't have one currently
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[19:47] <ReggieUK> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873
[19:47] <ReggieUK> one of those would do just fine
[19:48] <ReggieUK> or one of these:
[19:48] <ReggieUK> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/718
[19:48] <ReggieUK> I prefer the 2nd one myself
[19:48] <ReggieUK> as it comes default 3.3v but can be changed to 5v if necessary for other projects
[19:48] <teKuru> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PL2303HX-USB-to-TTL-Converter-Module-/370556718661?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5646e6ce45#ht_2912wt_1163
[19:49] <ReggieUK> and it breaks out all of the pins on the chip to do way more than usb to serial
[19:49] <teKuru> I bought a few of these
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[19:49] <teKuru> since they are a fraction of the cost
[19:49] <ReggieUK> there are also plenty of other 3.3v usb to serial adapters on the net
[19:49] <teKuru> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-to-UART-TTL-6PIN-Module-Serial-Converter-CP2102-/370532286388?pt=PCC_Drives_Storage_Internal&hash=item564571ffb4#ht_2817wt_1163 has them with the cp2102 as well
[19:49] <ReggieUK> ftdi is a favorite because it's so versatile
[19:50] <teKuru> took probably 3 weeks to get to me in the US from Hong Kong
[19:50] <ReggieUK> you can program loads of mcus with one
[19:50] <ReggieUK> and you can bitbang slow jtag
[19:50] <ReggieUK> as well as program eeproms
[19:50] <teKuru> any of the usb > ttl adapters do the vast majority of the same functions
[19:50] <ReggieUK> they do spi, i2c as well
[19:51] <ReggieUK> maybe but ftdi is the best supported from what I've seen
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[19:51] <Mike632T> Is there a way to permanently disable the screen blanking feature on the Raspberry Pi. I use an SSH connection but find it useful to be able to view the screen to see any error messages etc
[19:51] <McGooch> "bitbang slow jtag" what!?
[19:52] <Mike632T> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_banging
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[19:53] <trevorman> you can twiddle the GPIOs on FTDI chips to handle JTAG. if its got MPSSE then it'll go faster.
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[19:53] <ReggieUK> https://github.com/progranism/FT232R-JTAG
[19:53] <teKuru> ftdi, pl230x, cp210x are all well known and well supported
[19:53] <teKuru> the cp210x series have support in the linux kernel
[19:54] <ReggieUK> for jtag?
[19:54] <trevorman> I bought a massive bag of some mobile phone data cable a few years ago
[19:54] <teKuru> the device is supported, what you do with it is what you want. its a usb to ttl serial adapter
[19:54] <trevorman> its got a pl2303 inside and can be set for 3.3V or 5V by altering a little solder jumper
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[19:54] <teKuru> or other gpio adapters depending on teh chipset
[19:54] <trevorman> just chop off the phone plug on the end and away you go for something like ?1 each
[19:54] <teKuru> ftdi is not a specific device, they make a number of usb converters
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[19:55] <ReggieUK> I know they do
[19:55] <ReggieUK> but the ftdi devices I linked to both use the same chip
[19:55] <ReggieUK> and are capable of doing everything I have mentioned
[19:55] <trevorman> ftdi have generally had better drivers in my experience
[19:55] <ReggieUK> as well as usb to ttl
[19:55] <trevorman> prolific aren't too bad now. their original drivers were really buggy and bad
[19:56] <ReggieUK> I was asked for a recommendation on a usb to serial device, that's what I gave, those are the reasons I gave it :)
[19:57] <ReggieUK> I did also mention there were other 3.3v serial devices out there
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[19:57] <ReggieUK> ebay has plenty of $3 boards :)
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[19:58] <teKuru> Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of ftdi I just wanted to say that if youre just need a usb ttl uart you don't need to spend that much money
[19:58] <teKuru> especially just for capture
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[20:00] <ReggieUK> sure, then again, if you're going to be delving into microcontrollers with the pi and other devices, it makes sense to spend the money on ftdi
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[20:00] <ReggieUK> of course you could always buy a cheaper ftdi breakout, there are $8 ones on ebay that are just a ft232r on a 28ssop breakout
[20:01] <ReggieUK> just needs a couple of caps and maybe some leds and a usb cable/plug
[20:01] <McGooch> Is buying a $15 board really considered an investment?
[20:01] <teKuru> no
[20:01] <ReggieUK> McGooch, yes depending on what you're doing
[20:01] <teKuru> but when you can get 5 for the same price, which does the same thing...
[20:01] <teKuru> its everyones decision
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[20:02] <teKuru> i've used these $3 ones from ebay for programming my netduino mini, also a usb teensy when I bonkered the bootloader and never had an issue
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[20:02] <teKuru> i understand wanting to feel comfortable with a more known device, of course
[20:02] <McGooch> Interesting, I already have a teensy
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[20:02] <ReggieUK> it's not even that
[20:03] <ReggieUK> I buy my ftdi chips for $3-4 each anyway
[20:03] <teKuru> if you buy just the ftdi sure, but that alone doesnt give you what you need, there are more items on that BOM
[20:03] <teKuru> and not everyone is going to be soldering a tiny pitch package by hand
[20:04] <McGooch> Where are the TX/RX pins? Are these the second set of pins? (other than the GPIO stuff)?
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[20:04] <teKuru> on which board do you mean McGooch
[20:04] <teKuru> the Pi?
[20:04] <McGooch> yes
[20:04] <teKuru> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[20:04] <ReggieUK> the extra items are pennies worth
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[20:06] <teKuru> I really don't care enough about this subject to continue the conversation ReggieUK, like i said, buy what you want. If you want to spend the money on a more expensive device, so be it, youw ant to go the hard way and build your own board, have fun. the point is they ALL do the same thing in the end
[20:06] <McGooch> Oh I get it, they are specific pins in the GPIO block.
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[20:06] <McGooch> Then what is the second block of pins for? I haven't seen info on it
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[20:08] <teKuru> p3 is for jtag McGooch
[20:08] <teKuru> I dont know what p2 is
[20:08] <teKuru> also jtag, one for the SoC and one for the ethernet controller apparently
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> evening chaps! Back in from our little damp street party. Anyone else have one?
[20:11] <trevorman> not sure why there are two JTAG ports though. they should have just been chained.
[20:13] <ReggieUK> I Guess we'll have to disagree then teKuru, I wasn't arguing that the other usb to serial adapters weren't valid for monitoring console output, just putting the case forward for why I use ftdi
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[20:16] <nid0> gordonDrogon, ours is tomorrow
[20:16] <nid0> come along if you're free :P
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> Heh, probably a bit far!
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> I'm in Devon...
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> Wonder if I can remove Perl from Debian..
[20:19] <teKuru> trevorman: if the jtag header connects to a different IC than i would understand a second connector
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Looks like system stuff now depends on Perl. That's a bother.
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[20:21] <trevorman> teKuru: you're supposed to chain them all together. its a design feature of JTAG.
[20:21] <teKuru> hrm, neat
[20:21] <trevorman> then you can debug all the major chips on your board by connecting to a single JTAG interface
[20:23] <trevorman> teKuru: like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jtag#Electrical_characteristics
[20:23] <nelson> gordonDrogon--.
[20:23] <teKuru> wonder what the specific conditions were on the Pi that made them not do that
[20:23] <nelson> gordonDrogon: Not that I have anything against Perl except when I try to program in it again. :)
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[20:24] <trevorman> teKuru: not sure. could be a difference in supported clock speed or they just wanted it to be simple.
[20:24] <McGooch> The last time I had to program in perl was on a coop about 10 years back. I'd like to keep it that way.
[20:25] <trevorman> doesn't appear that they really intend for anybody to use the JTAG interface on the ethernet chip as its not even populated on my board
[20:25] <teKuru> me neither, just P2
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[20:25] <teKuru> p3 is actually hole filled with solder
[20:25] <trevorman> then again, doubt anybody would use the one on the BCM either as I don't think we have the BSDL for it
[20:25] <teKuru> the one my buddy got has both headers open, no solder fill or pins
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[20:26] <Myst> hi
[20:26] <trevorman> BSDL being the definition file that documents what the various bits mean in the JTAG registers
[20:26] <trevorman> you need it otherwise you've no idea what the massive test registers mean or do
[20:27] <trevorman> Myst: Hi
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> nelson, I'm trying to pare back debian to the absolute bare minimal. I have built systems in the past without perl, but it seems wheezy now has system level dependancies on it )-:
[20:27] <ReggieUK> trevorman, do you think they'll ever give us a bdsl for the pi?
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[20:29] <toaster_f> Hi Pi peeps. Question: Has anyone run into an issue, using the debian image, where running mkfs.ext2 on a new partition hangs and doesn't complete?
[20:29] <trevorman> ReggieUK: thats up to broadcom. they might do as a basic BSDL won't reveal anything about the internals of the chip.
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[20:30] <McGooch> toaster_f how long did it hang for, the SD interface is slow
[20:30] <ReggieUK> it would seem sensible for them to put something out even if it is minimal
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[20:30] <toaster_f> I left it going overnight. Prolly 8 and a half hours.
[20:30] <toaster_f> Hm.. I should check my logs. >.> It's early.
[20:31] <McGooch> heheh, not that slow
[20:31] <ReggieUK> anyone here compiled openelec from scratch? What machine did you compile on and how long did it take?
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[20:31] <toaster_f> I just made a partition with the remaining space on my sdcard with fdisk. I sthere any trickiness to it?
[20:31] <McGooch> resizing my file system from 2GB to 32GB took ~5mins
[20:32] <McGooch> Not sure, I didn't create a new one, I just resized the existing one
[20:32] <trevorman> ReggieUK: yeah. took about a day on an old p4 era celeron.
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, 140minutes 2.8ghz quad core.
[20:32] <toaster_f> Hm, you resized it... plugged into another machine?
[20:32] <trevorman> compiling it on my other machine was significantly faster though
[20:32] <McGooch> No, you can do it on the Pi, Gordon made a tutorial. sec...
[20:33] <McGooch> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
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[20:33] <gordonDrogon> toaster_f, no idea about ext2 - but it looks like McGooch will beat me to my own link :) (thanks!)
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> I've actually about to do the reverse - down-size a 4G SD into a 2GB one!
[20:34] <toaster_f> Thx. Seems like it didn't like the new partition I made... messages (kernel: FAT-fs (mmcblk0p4): Can't find a valid FAT filesystem) >.> But it's not even a fat partition. Hm.
[20:34] <toaster_f> Thanks doods.
[20:34] <cslouiswith> is that safe?
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> down-sizing?
[20:34] <McGooch> btw, thanks Gordon. But since I have you here. Can I ask why you favoured the swap file vs a new swap partition? I don't know anything about the difference. Just curious.
[20:34] <cslouiswith> yes
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> cslouiswith, yes - safe I only have 400GB of data - do it in reverse, resize filesystem, then shrink partition.
[20:34] <trevorman> ReggieUK: first build takes forever but doing any updates is way faster
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> McGooch, more flexability.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> McGooch, and these days the performance impact of swapfile vs. partition is virtually zero (assuming you make the swapfile early so it's not fragmented)
[20:35] <ReggieUK> trevorman, indeed, that's why I'm asking, I want to know what forever is :)
[20:35] <nelson> gordonDrogon: yeah, a base system needs to pick one(1) interpreter for system whizzies, and stick with it. Bash is ubiquitious but horrible to program in. Perl is cantankerous. I prefer Python, which is the official RPi language...
[20:36] <McGooch> Thanks for the info, gordonDrogon :)
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> nelson, I prefer BASIC. I don't program in Python at all - I'm creating a boot-into-basic image.
[20:37] <McGooch> GordonDrogon, interesting. My plan was to do something similar with lua
[20:37] <trevorman> ReggieUK: if its like a p4 then expect it to be about 20 hours. if its a bit newer like a C2D then 10 hours or so? if you've got the latest/greatest then it'd be significantly less.
[20:37] <trevorman> ReggieUK: its pretty heavy on RAM usage as well
[20:37] <nelson> gordonDrogon: ahh. That would be interesting, but basic is too limiting. Many more interesting libraries available with Python.
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> I need to see how well I can compress it - not sure I want to host it in my own network!
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> nelson, I really program in C. I wrote my BASIC in C.
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> rootfs 3.7G 388M 3.1G 12% /
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> still too much )-:
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[20:41] <McGooch> Has anyone tried building a custom distro using LFS?
[20:41] <trevorman> the openelec build for rpi is pretty barebone
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[20:41] <trevorman> the kernel + ramdisk image is about 70MB
[20:42] <cslouiswith> raspbian is pretty lightweight too
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> I've built my own ram-based linux system in the past. and it's been about 60MB on disk, running in a 128MB ramdisk.
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> wonder what Debian has extra....
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> /var/lib/apt is 31MB.
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> that's a big chunk.
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> /usr/share/local, perl is another 64MB.
[20:45] <McGooch> gordonDrogon, do you more often compile on a PC and copy it to the Pi or compile on the Pi?
[20:46] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: its a squashfs image for openelec. the rest of your SD card is mounted as storage for settings, media etc...
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> McGooch, I only have one project right now - my BASIc interpreter - I develop & compile that on my desktop (x86), then rsync to the Pi and compile on the Pi.
[20:46] <trevorman> its got python inside as well
[20:47] <McGooch> I haven'
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> it takes 85 seconds to compile from a make clean on the pi, so rsync makes it quicker.
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> Hm. can't online resize to shrink...
[20:48] <McGooch> t done any cross compiling yet. Are there any good tutorials on how to set that up?
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[20:48] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, http://pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> McGooch, there is also this: I've used it to compile a new kernel
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> McGooch, http://pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> dolp!
[20:50] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> McGooch, http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
[20:50] <McGooch> ShiftPlusOne I'll have to set up a linux VM I think. I use OSX
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> silly X with it's 2 methods of copy & paste )-:
[20:51] <bootc> McGooch: that should work on OSX
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> Shift-insert or ctrl-v gives the pastebin link, middle mouse button give the bootc link.
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> ah, speak of the devil ;-)
[20:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Seems like a tutorial on how to roll your own cross-compiler, rather than a cross-compiling environment.
[20:51] <bootc> gordonDrogon: you can't utter 'bootc' without me noticing :-)
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> bootc, and If I say it 3 times ???
[20:52] <ShiftPlusOne> When compiling a kernel, there's not much of a transition, but if you're compiling applications, scratchbox2 is a good idea.
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[20:53] <McGooch> Ok, thats a lot of info to keep me busy. Thanks :)
[20:53] <McGooch> bootc, have you done this on osx?
[20:54] <bootc> no, I haven't tried, but crosstool-ng apparently does build working compilers on OSX
[20:54] <bootc> my Mac has much less beef than my home server, so even if I do use BBEdit to write my code I won't bother compiling on it :-D
[20:54] <McGooch> I don't even know if I have the apt-get stuff though. I might need to get things another way
[20:55] <bootc> you won't have apt-get on OSX
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[21:00] <gordonDrogon> spot of TV time now.
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[21:08] <McGooch> ShiftPlusOne what is the difference between going the cross tool-ng route vs the scratchbox2 route?
[21:09] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, cross-tool-ng is used to build a crosscompiler, scratchbox2 lets you use that or any other cross-compiler to build things simpled (usually just by doing sb2 ./configure; sb2 make)
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[21:09] <ShiftPlusOne> (with the relevant flags 'course)
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[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> And it allows you to use your target os' features by using qemu (so you can sb2 apt-get install some dev libs to link against)
[21:10] <McGooch> So if I use scratchbox2 I'll still need to get cross tool working?
[21:11] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, you can, but you don't have to. The steps I gave you use an already built toolchain from codesourcery.
[21:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Or you can also use the one provided by the raspberry pi guys
[21:12] <McGooch> ShiftPlusOne: I'm on OSX as host so I'm not sure what it would mean to use apt-get for the host
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[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> It's debian's package managment tool
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[21:12] <McGooch> Right but I'm not running debian
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[21:12] <McGooch> <-- obvious confused
[21:13] * D34TH wonders if he can build scratchbox2 with mingw
[21:13] <ShiftPlusOne> You'll have to try cross-compiling without scratchbox2 to realise how great scratchbox2 is.
[21:13] <D34TH> im going to cross compile a crosscompiler
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[21:14] <McGooch> ShiftPlusOne: I have VMWare, is it just simpler to put debian on a vm, and then scratch box in there?
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[21:15] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, if you want to compile something that uses SDL, you need libraries to link against. Without sb2, you'd have to install them on pi then copy them across or cross-compile them as well... then you'll end up trying to resolve a chain of dependencies, mucking about with configure scripts, different build systems, cursing God and so on.
[21:16] <D34TH> meh didnt even get past configure
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[21:16] <ShiftPlusOne> with sb2 you can install those libs using your target's native package managment method.
[21:16] <McGooch> I'm not trying to avoid sb2. I just want to know if/how to do it on OSX
[21:16] <D34TH> hmm target=WINDOWS
[21:16] <D34TH> D:
[21:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Sorry, I am not sure about OSX
[21:16] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd use a virtual machine
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[21:16] <D34TH> mcgooch git it
[21:16] <D34TH> compile it
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> there are VMs with the build environment set up already
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[21:17] <GabrialDestruir> ooo got any links for one ShiftPlusOne?
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi?MER=i-e1a0-00001283
[21:17] <D34TH> http://russelldavis.org/2012/01/27/setting-up-a-vm-for-raspberry-pi-development-using-virtualbox-scratchbox2-qemu-part-1/
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> scroll down to Raspberry Pi Download Center
[21:18] <ShiftPlusOne> D34TH, that's steps on how to set it up. The element14 one is his thing already done.
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[21:18] <D34TH> ahh
[21:18] <ShiftPlusOne> So you'll just need to download "Raspberry Pi Development VM v0.8"
[21:18] <ShiftPlusOne> 8GB though
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[21:19] <Foxhoundz> Hello, RPi
[21:20] <ShiftPlusOne> I think doing it yourself given the steps D34TH gave might be faster, but they're a little more dated than the pastebin ones.
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[21:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Shouldn't make too much of a difference, but there are important qemu patches which might not be in the pre-built VM.
[21:20] <McGooch> I don't know if I want to setup virtual box. If I can't run sb2 under osx then I'll just create a debian VM in vmware and use the other script
[21:21] <ShiftPlusOne> can't you import virtualbox vms into vmware?
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[21:21] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[21:21] <GabrialDestruir> You can last time I checked.
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[21:23] <ukscone> if you are going to do it yourself use http://pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb as linaro qemu is better than head qemu
[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, it's... about the same.
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[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, I gave that link already
[21:25] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: there were some bugs and missing stuff in head qemu that linaro fixed
[21:25] <ukscone> but then linaro did break some things too but they fixed that last time i checked
[21:26] <ShiftPlusOne> the patches it has don't seem to be relevant to the target we're interested in
[21:26] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, it is a ahead of head qemu in some ways, so fair enough.
[21:26] <ukscone> and ShiftPlusOne what are you doing in here you should be doing your patriotic duty and watching your head of state waving at all the boats
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[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, I have no idea what you're talking about O_o
[21:27] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: there was one to do with freeing cpu instance that caused problems with beebem and b-em they fixed but on the whole they are the same but linaro seems faster
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[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, was that the same thing we talked about a while back? head qemu fixed it first
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[21:28] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: wife took control of the tv to day now after the jubilee pagent she's watching the royal weddings show -- all the royal weddings from the queens on
[21:28] <ukscone> i am looking for a knife to stab myself with if she don't turn it over
[21:29] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: the bug i found? in march/april?
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right, nuh, she may as well drown for all I care. =)
[21:29] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: nooooo then andy would be king as the next 4 were ont he boat with her
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/982321
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[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> They fixed it like an hour after I reported it.
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[21:32] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: k looks like same day for linaro http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/152614/
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> correction: LATER the same day.
[21:33] <ukscone> :) same diff
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[21:34] <bcgrown> is there documentation somewhere on how to make audio work properly? the wiki doesn't mention anything about only being able to set volume to 35% or 100%...
[21:34] <ShiftPlusOne> long story short, it doesn't really make a difference.
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[21:35] <McGooch> bcgrown, are you from BC? :P
[21:35] <bcgrown> ShiftPlusOne: was that a reply to me?
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[21:35] <bcgrown> McGooch: how'd you guess? :P
[21:35] <ShiftPlusOne> bcgrown, nope
[21:36] <McGooch> I wonder how many ppl in BC have their pi
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> McGooch, is our official channel psychic.
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> -,
[21:36] <bcgrown> McGooch: not many I bet. i just got mine on friday, which ordered back in february or something
[21:37] <McGooch> Same here, I ordered day one once I could finally get though and it showed up friday
[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, what have you been so busy with anyway? you don't seem to be around all that much nowadays
[21:38] <bcgrown> McGooch: have you got analog audio out working? it seems to be kind of... terrible, by default
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[21:38] <McGooch> I've played with enabling the module, but no. Not actually plugged in speakers
[21:39] <bcgrown> hrm. it seems that the driver is complete shit.
[21:40] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: wife was home sick for 14 days with a dislocated hip and she gets annoyed if i am on the computer all day (dunno why but she gets grouchy) so not a lot other than some xmpp stuff for the raspi
[21:40] <McGooch> bcgrown, are you using the debian squeeze right now? how do you reproduce the problem?
[21:41] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, ah fair enough
[21:41] <bcgrown> McGooch: yes, and i'm just playing audio with mpd. it doesn't play anything unless you "adjust" the volume to the 35% level, and then it's super distorted
[21:42] <bcgrown> if i stop playback and then start again it plays undistorted
[21:42] <bcgrown> but still can't change the volume from 35%
[21:42] <cslouiswith> would dribble short out my pi?
[21:42] <bcgrown> dribble?
[21:42] <cslouiswith> dribble
[21:42] <nid0> if its running quite possibly
[21:42] <nid0> depends what it hits
[21:42] <cslouiswith> okay
[21:43] <reider59> might depend apon the relative viscosity index of the dribble ;-)
[21:43] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: dunno why she is such a grouch as it's how i earn my crust but she becomes a right witch speelt with a B if i turn on the desktop or dig out a dev board even after i've done the house work -- really confuzzling as it's not as if she wants to talk as she just reads and watches crappy yankee tv :)
[21:44] <McGooch> I get similar issue in LXMusic, reducing the volume actually causes it to go up. Sounds like clipping.
[21:44] <cslouiswith> ukscone: Just do the same when she logs onto facebook
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, have you tried... asking?
[21:44] <bcgrown> McGooch: yeah, clipping like a mofo
[21:44] <reider59> maybe needs a service (my god that was polite)
[21:44] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: yes i just get a paddington bear stare and told i should know why :)
[21:44] <cslouiswith> reider59: a service?
[21:44] <bcgrown> ukscone: lawyer up, hit the gym, etc..
[21:45] <reider59> sounds like a good hard flagging
[21:45] <bcgrown> ukscone: women who do that drive me nuts. i won't tolerate it anymore
[21:45] <cslouiswith> buy her some flowers
[21:45] <ukscone> bcgrown: then i'd have to get out of bed and stop being a slob
[21:46] <reider59> noooooo not the flowers, they think you`re guilty n even if you are don`t chance it
[21:46] <cslouiswith> ukscone: you could always voip to her while you're on the computer.
[21:46] <cslouiswith> give her a bluetooth headset
[21:47] <ukscone> my mother was a bit like t too -- used to complain i was typing too loud ok i was nocternal so it was 3am but still
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[21:48] <cslouiswith> ukscone: It's these damn model m's
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[21:48] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, that's very freudian of you to make that connection. >.>
[21:48] <bcgrown> McGooch: apparently sound support is still "experimental" :( http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7094&p=91048&hilit=audio#p91048
[21:48] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: not freudian think it's more like a female thing
[21:48] <ukscone> any excuse to have something to hold over you
[21:49] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah it is, my ex used to be like that, but it was still possible to reason with her, it just took a lot of effort.
[21:49] <reider59> my Mum was very obtuse, you readd too much, you should go out more, you go out too much.....was glad I left home and moved 100 miles away lol
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[21:49] <McGooch> bcgrown: its all still alpha lots doesn't work. Thats part of the fun of being a developer
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> I prefer to be... A Lumberjack!
[21:49] * SpeedEvil chops down trees.
[21:49] <reider59> cos lumberjacks are OK
[21:49] <bcgrown> McGooch: haha, i'm not a developer. i was just hoping other people would have figured this stuff out by now :) i wonder if there are any good USB sound cards with ARM drivers?
[21:49] <reider59> they cut down trees n go to the lava tree
[21:50] <reider59> oops
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> Any soundcard will work - as long as it's not got binary drivers
[21:50] <cslouiswith> SpeedEvil: as long as you plant new ones
[21:50] <McGooch> bcgrown: That might be optimistic. You got your board before most developers
[21:50] <ukscone> the best thing was that i was able to complain to my mother about pressing the keys too loud -- when tetris was first out i showed it to her one evening, came down stairs the next day and she was still playing it 14 hours later
[21:50] <ukscone> said i hadn't been able to sleep as she was typing too loud
[21:50] <bcgrown> McGooch: orly? I was under the impression that lots of people have had them for quite a while
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[21:50] <ukscone> got a whack around the head for that one
[21:51] <mythos> so, the onboard sound is not useable yet?
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> ukscone: hah
[21:51] <ShiftPlusOne> it's usable, it's just crackling and 'meh'
[21:51] <cslouiswith> ukscone: I'm haunted by Korobeiniki.
[21:51] <mythos> ShiftPlusOne, ok... so not useable ;)
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[21:52] <bcgrown> mythos: it's.. *usable*. it's just not any good
[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> mythos, depends on what you're using it for
[21:52] <McGooch> Mine crackled a bit on startup then worked fine till I fiddled with the volume
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[21:53] <McGooch> For now I can just adjust volume externally
[21:53] <mythos> i have a logitech usb-soundcard here, so i'm fine with that
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[21:54] <weasel> bootc: you don't happen to have kernel builds with that MMC patch reverted lying around for testing, do you?
[21:54] <bootc> weasel: no, but sraue does I believe
[21:54] <bootc> (well, I don't yet, when 3.2.19 is released I'll upload a kernel with that patch missing)
[21:55] <cslouiswith> what does the mmc patch do?
[21:55] <weasel> bootc: btw, thanks for building a kernel with vlan and netfilter and all.
[21:55] <weasel> (now I just need it booting :)
[21:55] <bootc> cslouiswith: adds delays in places - it's an official patch that I added to my tree that's supposed to fix SD access for people, but appears to break it more often than not with 3.2
[21:56] <cslouiswith> oh
[21:56] <DaQatz> So far SD access on the pi is a bit flaky
[21:56] <weasel> bootc: also, any plans of making a simple apt repository?
[21:56] <ukscone> is anyonee in heere good at converting mobi to epub? tried using calibre defaults and it works but kind of crappy esp. the TOC
[21:56] <bootc> weasel: I was considering it, I must admit
[21:57] <weasel> bootc: please do. let me know if you want a walk-through on a quick&dirty apt-ftparchive thing
[21:57] <DaQatz> ukscone: Never had an issue with calibre myself.
[21:57] <bootc> I do actually have a reprepo running on http://apt.bootc.net/, but it has no RPi / armel stuff in there at all atm
[21:57] <cslouiswith> calibre should be fine
[21:57] <weasel> that also works. a new suite and voila
[21:57] <bootc> yep
[21:58] <ukscone> DaQatz: on the whole it mostly works but having problems with an omnibus edition. the epub ver available is on TOC wise but some character encoding issues
[21:58] <cslouiswith> calibre was always such a pain to use though
[21:58] <weasel> how did you build that kernel .deb?
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[21:58] <weasel> no .dsc there :(
[21:58] <DaQatz> Hmm
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[22:00] <cslouiswith> guys, what would you say is the best ssh software for windows? I'm currently using putty but was wondering if there was anything better,
[22:00] <Kripton> cslouiswith, putty is best
[22:00] <teKuru> bootc: how do you like the Open Bench logic sniffer?
[22:00] <weasel> putty is pretty decent
[22:00] <bootc> teKuru: <3
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[22:00] <cslouiswith> Kripton, weasel: Okay, thanks.
[22:00] <Kripton> cslouiswith, if you want to to many transfers, use FileZilla. It can do ssh connections
[22:00] <bootc> Kripton: PuTTY
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[22:00] <weasel> so can winscp
[22:01] <teKuru> I've been loving my Saleae
[22:01] <weasel> (with putty, iirc)
[22:01] <teKuru> i debated for a bit on the open bench
[22:01] <bootc> teKuru: yeah I'm clearly not as flush as you :-)
[22:01] <teKuru> actually got it as a birthday gift from the wife :D
[22:01] <teKuru> oh wow, $50
[22:01] <teKuru> i never actually saw the price of the open bench
[22:02] <cslouiswith> wow it looks pretty
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[22:03] <teKuru> huh I may have to get an open bench as well, I assumed it to be around the sam as the salea one
[22:03] <teKuru> saleae
[22:03] <teKuru> I'm the only one in my circle with a logic analyzer, I'd rather lend out the OB vs the saleae one heh
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[22:07] <teKuru> wow the OB cable&clips is CHEAP
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[22:07] <teKuru> some places sell 4 of those little minigrabbers for more than that
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[22:10] <cslouiswith> is anyone else's pi a little bit sticky?
[22:10] <teKuru> im confused by the question
[22:10] <teKuru> sticky to the touch?
[22:10] <teKuru> have kids or pets? :D
[22:10] <cslouiswith> yeah
[22:10] <cslouiswith> nope
[22:10] <blkhawk> whats the best way to tar.gz up a crosscompiled kernel with all modules and firmwares?
[22:11] <blkhawk> there has to be some thing that makes this easier than doing strange and unusual things with chroot
[22:12] <trevorman> cslouiswith: they not clean the flux off properly at the factory?
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> I just copy the kernel over. no modules.
[22:12] <teKuru> can't say mines sticky, feels fine to me
[22:13] <daxroc> Mine was, a little nailvarnish remover and Qtips does the trick
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> you can't get good Trichloroethane anymore ...
[22:13] <cslouiswith> I'm thinking of peeling off the stickers.
[22:14] <cslouiswith> would the fcc get made at me if I do?
[22:14] <Decepshun> I am really strugling here....it keeps asking me for a root password and the only 2 passwords I would have used don't work.
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[22:15] <trevorman> cslouiswith: only got 2 stickers on mine. the EU WEE and CE logos and another one with some kind of model number
[22:15] <cslouiswith> Decepshun: Which OS?
[22:15] <teKuru> Decepshun: are you logged in as a user now?
[22:15] <Decepshun> gnome
[22:15] <Decepshun> gnome3 infact
[22:15] <cslouiswith> Why would you run gnome on a pi?
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> Decepshun, Debian?
[22:15] <Decepshun> because I can?
[22:15] <cslouiswith> Can it actually handle gnome?
[22:15] <cslouiswith> cool
[22:15] <Decepshun> yeah...runs fine
[22:15] <teKuru> in a terminal "sudo su", type in your users password. once youre at a # prompt, type "passwd" and set it to whatever you want it to be
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[22:16] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's no password by default, so gnome3 wants one, so give it one...
[22:16] <trevorman> Decepshun: does anything else run though is the question
[22:16] <cslouiswith> would you need to have swap enabled for gnome?
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[22:17] <Decepshun> sigh
[22:17] <Decepshun> ok
[22:17] <Decepshun> here's what I have done
[22:17] <cslouiswith> Decepshun: Just do what teKuru said
[22:17] <Decepshun> would gnome pick it up tho?
[22:18] <cslouiswith> pick it up?
[22:18] <teKuru> yes it will see the changes Decepshun
[22:18] <Decepshun> the password change
[22:18] <cslouiswith> before you startx
[22:19] <Decepshun> it autos startx
[22:19] <teKuru> you can still do it inside x11
[22:19] <cslouiswith> do ctrl alt f2
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[22:21] <Decepshun> it worked that time...I could have sworn I done that before
[22:22] <Decepshun> now can someone link me a guide for fixing my screen size/resolution issues>
[22:22] <Decepshun> ?
[22:22] <cslouiswith> that's easy
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[22:23] <harold> hey guys... so, here's the situation
[22:23] <cslouiswith> you'll need to edit your /boot/config.txt
[22:24] <harold> I got the rpi, installed debian on an sd disk (using the win imager thing)... and inserted it, powered it with my usb cable (the same one that I use for my google nexus phone), connected it to the hdtv using an hdmi port, and apparently it's not being powered up
[22:24] <cslouiswith> Decepshun: Here's a guide, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[22:24] <harold> I see no activity on the tv (two leds are on on the pi though... PWR is red, and OK is green)
[22:24] <ShiftPlusOne> harold, is the power led turning on?
[22:24] <cslouiswith> harold: What does the sticker on the nexus charger say, next to "output".
[22:24] <ShiftPlusOne> harold, is ok just on or is it flickering (at all)?
[22:25] <harold> it's on, at green
[22:25] <harold> the PWR led is on, similarly, constant, red
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[22:26] <cslouiswith> harold: if you unplug and plug the power back in, does the "ok" blink like crazy?
[22:26] <harold> cslouiswith: not so sure what you mean. basically I just meant to say that I'm using that cable that came with the nexus... I haev it hooked to my laptop
[22:26] <cslouiswith> harold: You don't want to do that
[22:26] <cslouiswith> harold: You will need an AC adaptor
[22:27] <cslouiswith> harold: Your laptop probably isn't going to give your pi the 700mA it wants.
[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> harold, usb ports are only supposed to provide 500mA (though many provide much more), pi needs about 700mA to boot.
[22:27] <cslouiswith> harold: Did your nexus come with an AC adaptor?
[22:28] <Decepshun> cslouiswith: when I try to edit /boot/config.txt....it comes up blank?
[22:28] <Decepshun> what do I do at the # prompt?
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[22:28] <harold> cslouiswith: it did, but I've misplaced it.. I borrowed my dad's iphone 4s adapter, and I use that. Should I use it to power the pi now?
[22:28] <cslouiswith> Decepshun: Blank by default.
[22:28] <Decepshun> ah ok
[22:28] <Decepshun> so I have add the settings into it
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[22:28] <Decepshun> then reboot?
[22:28] <cslouiswith> Yeah
[22:28] <Decepshun> kk
[22:29] <cslouiswith> You'll probably need to fiddle with the hdmi_group, like my hdmi tv doesn't want to work with DMT
[22:30] <Decepshun> I wonder if someoen has figured out the settings for a samsung led tv already
[22:30] <harold> the PWR led should be green? or is it supposed to be red?
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[22:30] <cslouiswith> the leds don't change colour
[22:31] <harold> the iphone 4s miniusb adapter says it provides 5v at 1A. should I not use this?
[22:31] <zgreg> the PWR led is amber
[22:31] <cslouiswith> harold: That should be fine.
[22:31] <harold> alright, thanks.
[22:32] <harold> cool! It's on
[22:32] <cslouiswith> harold: The raspberry pi needs 5V and at least 700mA, so 1A is perfectly fine.
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[22:33] <cslouiswith> Decepshun: It's mostly trial and error.
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[22:34] <Decepshun> man....getting xbmc to work is gonna be a bitch then
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[22:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Decepshun, maybe so, but this channel is pg.
[22:34] <cslouiswith> Decepshun: Actually openelec was actually easier for me. They have a GUI for changing all the overscan settings and such
[22:35] <cslouiswith> ShiftPlusOne: perhaps he was referring to a female dog
[22:35] <Decepshun> ok mr op...
[22:36] <Decepshun> which version of openelec you using cslouiswith?
[22:36] <PinkiePi> hi - is there a good samba tutorial anywhere? I should mention that the Raspi is my first linux machine I have ever worked with...
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[22:37] <cslouiswith> PinkiePi: Apparently cifs would be better for the pi
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[22:37] <cslouiswith> Decepshun: http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[22:37] <PinkiePi> cslouiswith: better in what regard?
[22:37] <Decepshun> thanks cslouiswith
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[22:38] <kane77> what is the performance difference when using armv5 vs optimal flags for raspberry pi?
[22:38] <cslouiswith> PinkiePi: Less resource intensive
[22:38] <Decepshun> cslouiswith: should I remove gnome3 and just install openelec then?
[22:38] <zgreg> kane77: depends
[22:39] <cslouiswith> Decepshun: Have you got more than one SD card?
[22:39] <zgreg> softfloat vs hardfloat can make a huge difference with FP-heavy code
[22:39] <GabrialDestruir> Gnome 3 on Pi? o.O
[22:39] <Decepshun> yes...a 32gig and 8gig
[22:39] <Decepshun> lol...typical response GabrialDestruir
[22:39] <cslouiswith> Decepshun: Why not both? :D
[22:39] <Decepshun> GabrialDestruir: it works fine btw
[22:39] <cslouiswith> GabrialDestruir: Better than unity
[22:40] <daxroc> Anyone know what version of xbmc openelec stable uses offhand ?
[22:40] <harold> what's the root password? raspberry doesn't work (I'm on the debian one btw)
[22:41] <Decepshun> raspberry harold
[22:41] <Decepshun> oh
[22:41] <Decepshun> nm
[22:41] <kane77> zgreg, is it worth the effort? since the arch packages are build with armv5 soft I would have to recompile everything..
[22:41] <zgreg> kane77: use raspbian
[22:41] <weasel> harold: can you log on as pi?
[22:41] <harold> raspberry is the pw for pi, I'm not sure what root pw is
[22:41] <harold> yes, I did just log in as pi :)
[22:41] <weasel> maybe sudo is set up?
[22:41] * harold tries
[22:41] <GabrialDestruir> I just figured it's too resource intensive.
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[22:42] <cslouiswith> I don't think debian comes with a root password
[22:42] * weasel wished his kernel compiled faster
[22:42] <zgreg> IIRC it was "pi" for username with the password "raspberry" in the debian image
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[22:43] <harold> zgreg: yep, that worked. But when I open up the "root shell" (through start menu > Accessories > 'Root Shell') it asks me for the root pw...
[22:44] <harold> if the root shell is available as an item in the menu so readily.. I thought surely there'd be a pw that I could use
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[22:44] <kane77> zgreg, looks nice.. will it be rolling release?
[22:44] <mrdragons> If sude is set up, you should be able to do "sudo su; passwd" or "sudo passwd root" to change the password
[22:44] <zgreg> there is no root password set by default
[22:44] <mrdragons> sudo*
[22:44] <zgreg> what mrdragons says
[22:45] <Decepshun> cslouiswith: tried to dl that openelec and said could not be found :(
[22:45] <zgreg> kane77: it's debian testing, so sort of yes
[22:45] <GabrialDestruir> OpenELEC doesn't have passwd
[22:45] <zgreg> I'd prefer if they keep following debian wheezy release
[22:45] <GabrialDestruir> Even if it did it wouldn't be a persistent change.
[22:45] <harold> zgreg: ok, how can I get to a terminal then? The only shortcut that I see is for a 'Root shell' -- I don't see any other icon that'll just let me open a normal terminal
[22:46] <cslouiswith> Decepshun: Try the second latest
[22:46] <cslouiswith> harold: ctrl + alt + f1
[22:46] <zgreg> harold: are you in lxde? there should be a regular terminal under "accesoires", I think
[22:46] <Decepshun> cslouiswith: looks like the 3rd link worked :P
[22:47] <cslouiswith> harold: ctrl + alt + f7 to get back to x
[22:47] <zgreg> oh, you're running openelec?
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[22:47] <zgreg> now I'm a bit confused
[22:47] <cslouiswith> zgreg: harold is running debian
[22:48] <PinkiePi> cslouiswith: ooookay, I added a //192.168.xxx.xxx/Share /mnt/share cifs username=name,uid=1000,gid=1000,password=pw line to my fstab.the target machine is runnign windows. What else do I have to do?
[22:48] <harold> I did manage to find one... and I guess I got root access in an interesting manner: sudo su. when I jus tstraight up su, it asks me for a pw I don't know
[22:49] <GabrialDestruir> Though you could probably change the sshd settings, and setup public key access, disable root passwords etc
[22:49] <harold> ok, note to self, new pw is "rasp" for root
[22:49] <cslouiswith> PinkiePi: I'm not sure, I haven't done it myself. I'm just going by what someone told me yesterday.
[22:49] <GabrialDestruir> Now we all know...
[22:49] <trevorman> harold: doing "sudo su -" is normal
[22:49] <GabrialDestruir> You'll have to change it again :p
[22:49] <zgreg> or just use sudo -s :p
[22:50] <PinkiePi> cslouiswith: thanks, though
[22:50] <mastensg> ~.
[22:50] <harold> GabrialDestruir: you'd have to be pretty baddass to now own my r-pi, considering that it's not exactly hooked to the internet
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[22:51] <PinkiePi> does anybody know how to access a windows shared folder from the raspi using cifs?
[22:51] <harold> ah ok, I didn't know I could get to su like that. thanks
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[22:51] <harold> PinkiePi: using mount with argument cifs?
[22:51] <SpeedEvil> I will pay 1000 quid to anyone that can own my Pi.
[22:51] <SpeedEvil> (which is unplugged, with no SD card, or power)
[22:51] <trevorman> zgreg: if you actually want all the root env vars then you need to do sudo su -
[22:51] <cslouiswith> SpeedEvil: Where do you live?
[22:51] <GabrialDestruir> It's a new method of electrical impulse communication harold :p
[22:51] <r00t|home> SpeedEvil: address?
[22:51] <GabrialDestruir> All done through the electrical grid.
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[22:52] <PinkiePi> harold: sorry, I am using linux since like... today. I posted the line I entered into fstab 4 minutes ago. anything I need to do to mount/access it?
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[22:52] <zgreg> trevorman: that's true, but in my experience sudo -s is enough for most purposes
[22:52] <nid0> if you've setup your mount in fstab, just mount /folder
[22:52] <trevorman> PinkiePi: "mount /mnt/share" or reboot
[22:52] <nid0> where folder is the mountpoint specified in fstab
[22:53] <mrdragons> PinkiePi: Out of curiousity, did the RPi introduce you to linux?
[22:54] <PinkiePi> mrdragons: yes
[22:54] <harold> PinkiePi: if you're new to linux then take it easy -- there're lots of tutorials and such for it online, look a few up. ask for help here when you get paritcularly stuck
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[22:54] <zgreg> FYI... upping SD clock to 50 MHz is entirely stable here
[22:54] <trevorman> zgreg: cool. will have to try it
[22:54] <zgreg> the pi has worked fine with that since yesterday
[22:54] <PinkiePi> I did a reboot earlier after the change, it did not help. when I enter the mount command I get "mount error(115): Operation now in progress"
[22:54] <GabrialDestruir> Just be careful who you ask, some people get all "YOU SHOULD OF WAITED" -nods-
[22:55] <cslouiswith> zgreg: and what benefits?
[22:55] <GabrialDestruir> Faster SD clock means faster transfers?
[22:55] <trevorman> PinkiePi: its hanging trying to do the mount then. you double checked the details like IP, username and password?
[22:55] <zgreg> cslouiswith: 10.5 MB/s instead of 4.5 MB/s transfer speed
[22:55] <zgreg> it's definitely noticeable
[22:55] <PhonicUK> lo chaps
[22:55] <zgreg> booting is faster, etc.
[22:55] <PhonicUK> (and chapettes?)
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[22:56] <GabrialDestruir> How do you change sd clock?
[22:56] <trevorman> zgreg: you just alter the emmc clock? any divider that needs to be altered as well?
[22:56] <cslouiswith> zgreg: Wow
[22:56] <zgreg> the emmc clock needs to be raised to 100 MHz and the kernel needs to be hacked
[22:56] <PinkiePi> trevorman: uhm... yeah. 192.168.1.x does not equal 192.168.0.x. it works now. yay!
[22:57] <cslouiswith> init_emmc_clock?
[22:57] <PinkiePi> thanks a lot
[22:57] <mrdragons> zgreg: Can you make a patch file?
[22:58] <zgreg> sure. but at the moment it's a nasty, nasty hack
[22:58] <zgreg> cslouiswith: yes
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[22:58] <trevorman> PinkiePi: good to hear its working
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[22:59] <harold> hmm, my hdtv is on the upper floor.. but the modem is downstairs (we use no wires for that connection.. it's all wifi). Getting on the internet is going to be tricky....
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[22:59] <PinkiePi> another question: is it recommended to change the default username to something else besides pi? I want it to be accessible from outside, but I read that changing the name might screw with some settings/rights
[23:00] <harold> PinkiePi: it'd help to a nominal degree. There're more important things you'd have to be worried about
[23:00] <harold> maybe use keys for ssh access, strong passphrase, etc.
[23:00] <ShiftPlusOne> PinkiePi, up to you (but it's not 'changing' it's creating a new one). If you do it right, then you won't lose anything. However, there's no real point.
[23:01] <ShiftPlusOne> PinkiePi, there's nothing wrong with sticking with 'pi', just change the default password.
[23:01] <harold> small question: how dangerous exactly is it to just un-gracefully power the thing off? (instead of going through a normal shutdown -h now procedure or something)
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> actually... the default password/group/shadow files for Debian are somewaht ... "creative" but I've not had a chance to write something up about sanitising them yet.
[23:02] <cslouiswith> harold: I got wifi working on mine
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> harold, try not to - but if you must, type sync first.
[23:02] <harold> cslouiswith: using a wifi adapter or what?
[23:02] <cslouiswith> harold: Yup
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[23:03] <harold> I guess I should stop thinking of this device as a delicate thing that I have to not stress too much... if we think about it, it's probably more powerful than some of the home computers people had just a decade ago
[23:03] <PinkiePi> okay, thanks. I read up ssh a little today and figured to use proper keys instead of the simple username/password logon. and changing the incoming port on my router to obscure it further
[23:04] <cslouiswith> harold: No, keep thinking that! Plenty of people have snapped off the capacitor or the hdmi connector
[23:04] <harold> I mean, in terms of how computationally powerful it
[23:04] <Thorn_> i snapped off the soc
[23:04] <harold> (not physically)
[23:04] <zgreg> http://pastebin.com/sP1ZHk0P
[23:04] <cslouiswith> It really is quite slow
[23:04] <zgreg> here's your patch
[23:04] <cslouiswith> It is arm6 after all
[23:04] <cslouiswith> My phone is faster.
[23:04] <harold> 'arm6' -- what's the significance of that?
[23:04] <trevorman> harold: you risk damaging your data and possibly the card. the rpi itself wont' care about you removing power suddenly.
[23:05] <ShiftPlusOne> PinkiePi, you're doing pretty well given it's your first time with linux.
[23:05] <zgreg> cslouiswith: ARM*v*6 :p
[23:05] <zgreg> ARM naming is confusing...
[23:05] <mrdragons> zgreg: Awesome. :D
[23:05] <PinkiePi> ShiftPlusOne: just wikipedia and googling my questions
[23:05] <cslouiswith> zgreg: That numbering system always confused me
[23:05] <trevorman> harold: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM#ARM_cores
[23:05] <cslouiswith> like armv6 is arm11. wtf?!
[23:06] <trevorman> ARMv* = architecture version
[23:06] <trevorman> no v = a specific ARM core
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[23:06] <ShiftPlusOne> PinkiePi, that's all there is to it, really =P. You'll find gentoo and archlinux documentation to be a great resource even if you're not using those distros.
[23:06] <harold> wait, I'm confused -- so the rpi is basically a 6 core CPU? o.0
[23:07] <cslouiswith> 1 core
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[23:07] <harold> ah, right right
[23:08] <GabrialDestruir> If the rpi were a 6 core
[23:08] <KenBW2> I'm setting up my newly arrived pi as a headless fileserver - can I get the debian setup going without a display - ie through SSH or somesuch?
[23:08] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine it'd be beastly
[23:08] <ShiftPlusOne> KenBW2, yup.
[23:08] <GabrialDestruir> Though it would kind of suck if it were a 6 core and each core was only like 100Mhz xD
[23:08] <KenBW2> ShiftPlusOne: ssh enabled by default?
[23:08] <cslouiswith> harold: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores
[23:09] <ShiftPlusOne> KenBW2, I think debian is stupid and has it disables by default, but you can just mount the filesystem and enable it manually.
[23:09] <cslouiswith> raspbian has ssh by default
[23:09] <trevorman> KenBW2: you don't have a display handy just to get initial setup going?
[23:09] <cslouiswith> trevorman: Not everyone can afford a hdmi monitor
[23:10] <ShiftPlusOne> KenBW2, debian comes with a script to enable it, I am not sure how it's used though
[23:10] <KenBW2> trevorman: i do, but no HDMI to VGA conversion
[23:10] <trevorman> ah okay
[23:11] <KenBW2> is there any way of me getting around this aside from not using debian?
[23:11] <ShiftPlusOne> KenBW2, "ssh disabled by default ? boot commands taken from /boot/boot.rc if present ? candidate to enable ssh included"
[23:11] <cslouiswith> KenBW2: Do you have a tv with composite video?
[23:11] <PinkiePi> ShiftPlusOne: thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I have to things I want my raspi to do for the start - a) hosting a git rep and b) pull and save a, image from a website every hour, and move it to my windows share as soon as it is powered on (using python). which of the two would you consider being better for a begginer to start with?
[23:11] <freezer_> is there an linux tool to create a PDF from multiple jpegs?
[23:11] <KenBW2> i do, but im damned if i have a cable
[23:11] <freezer_> like one jpeg per site
[23:11] <cslouiswith> PinkiePi: The website pulling sounds simplier
[23:11] <ShiftPlusOne> PinkiePi, I'd vote B, but I don't know anything about git.
[23:12] <cslouiswith> git is a git
[23:12] <ShiftPlusOne> samba is a bit fiddly though
[23:12] <KenBW2> ShiftPlusOne: is that the debian image?
[23:12] <cslouiswith> ShiftPlusOne: he already has samba
[23:12] <ShiftPlusOne> KenBW2, yup.
[23:12] <KenBW2> this of course is once i get the only SD card reader I have to be detected =/
[23:12] <PinkiePi> ShiftPlusOne: I can already access the shared folder using cifs
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[23:12] <Mrkva> hmm, is someone working on GPIO interrupts (they're disabled in kernel source and code is not complete)?
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> PinkiePi, ah, then you're set to get b done pretty quickly. =)
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[23:13] <harold> hm, I have a thing that multiplies a usb connection to 4... I guess I've finally found a use for this little thing
[23:14] <trevorman> a usb hub?
[23:14] <harold> yes!
[23:14] <zgreg> trevorman, cslouiswith, mrdragons: if you test the patch above, please tell me if it worked
[23:14] <trevorman> it needs to be a self powered one. it can't be bus powered.
[23:14] <cslouiswith> harold: is it powered?
[23:14] <PinkiePi> ShiftPlusOne: okay, thanks. if the share is not available on startup, will it check its availability automatically? In any case, I'll start learning python now, then. :)
[23:15] <trevorman> PinkiePi: no. it won't keep retrying if it can't get it when you start.
[23:15] <harold> it's not self-powered... but considering that my amperage is 1A (isntead of 750 mA) do you think I might be ok?
[23:15] <zgreg> harold: no
[23:15] <PinkiePi> trevorman: is there a common solution for that problem?
[23:15] <harold> amperage being provided to the pi, I mean (I'm using hte iphone adapter.. which provides 5V at 1A)
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[23:15] <zgreg> harold: there are current-limiting fuses in place
[23:15] <ShiftPlusOne> PinkiePi, sorry, I don't use samba, so I don't know.
[23:16] <zgreg> harold: the whole will never use more than 700mA, and the USB ports are limited to 140mA each
[23:16] <zgreg> *the whole pi
[23:16] <harold> hm alright. Okay then, I guess I'll try to find a self-powered one
[23:16] <harold> cslouiswith: do you have the wifi adapter connected via a usb interface or what?
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[23:17] <trevorman> PinkiePi: if you want that then you'll need autofs which automatically mounts stuff for you. I don't use it so you'll have to ask somebody else or look into it yourself unfortunately
[23:17] <zgreg> harold: I think this is pretty bad :/ I'd prefer if the fuses at the USB ports allowed for a bit more current
[23:17] <PinkiePi> cifs is samba, too? cslouiswith told me a few minutes ago that I should use cifs instead of samba, which made it sound like these two aren't the same. but thanks, I know what to look for now
[23:17] <PinkiePi> trevorman: will do. thanks!
[23:17] <trevorman> cifs is the protocol that the samba package actually uses
[23:17] <harold> zgreg: why? so you could use a greater variety of usb devices that demand more amperage than 140mA?
[23:17] <normod> freezer_: poppler
[23:17] <zgreg> harold: what's more, check this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5830
[23:17] <cslouiswith> PinkiePi: sorta
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[23:19] <jaxdahl2> so drawing 100mA such as from a keyboard might drop the voltage to 4.5V?
[23:19] <zgreg> harold: well, as the forum thread lines out, the real problem is that these polyfuses used for limiting have a rather large resistance well under the maximum current
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[23:19] <zgreg> jaxdahl2: yes
[23:19] <jaxdahl2> "The USB2.0 spec allows low-powered ports to provide a Vbus of 4.4V minimum." so i guess that's ok
[23:20] <trevorman> jaxdahl: now remember that you're also powering it from a USB PSU which might not be exactly 5V
[23:20] <zgreg> yeah, down to 4.75V is just fine by specs
[23:21] <zgreg> also, many devices don't use much power, but they have peaks while initializing
[23:21] <zgreg> and those break easily
[23:22] <freezer_> normod, it's only a library?
[23:23] <normod> freezer_: nope
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[23:23] <harold> that can't be good.. as my usb keyboard has lots of bell and whistles (7 leds, many extra keys, etc.)
[23:24] <cslouiswith> harold: powered hub
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[23:24] <GabrialDestruir> Wireless is better :p
[23:24] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5830&start=125#p81091 <-- that's a neat hack
[23:24] <harold> hm alright
[23:24] <cslouiswith> harold: You could also power the pi off the powered hub too
[23:25] <cslouiswith> zgreg: That's not going to lead to a danieldaniel is it?
[23:26] <zgreg> cslouiswith: huh?
[23:27] <cslouiswith> zgreg: brick via soldering
[23:27] <Milos> this is weird
[23:27] <Milos> I just noticed my rpi has no OK light but it works perfectly fine
[23:27] <Milos> I mean
[23:27] <Milos> the light does flicker occasionally if I do something
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[23:27] <cslouiswith> Milos: Yes
[23:27] <Milos> but my understanding is, at idle it should be on
[23:27] <Decepshun> I thought a powered hub was not recommended for powering the raspi
[23:27] <GabrialDestruir> Why would anyone weld those two spots together?
[23:27] <Milos> cslouiswith, yes what
[23:27] <GabrialDestruir> er
[23:27] <cslouiswith> Milos: My pi is sitting there doing nothing and it only has the pwr
[23:27] <GabrialDestruir> wolder
[23:28] <GabrialDestruir> solder*
[23:28] <GabrialDestruir> not weld -.-
[23:28] <Milos> cslouiswith, that wasn't how it was before, I don't think
[23:28] <Milos> maybe a firmware update changed it or something
[23:28] <zgreg> cslouiswith: not unless you have VERY shaky hands :)
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[23:28] <Milos> I have been working with my rpi upside-down for ages so I only just noticed
[23:28] <freezer_> normod, i need the other way around jpeg->pdf
[23:28] <Milos> did you overclock/overvolt yours cslouiswith ?
[23:28] <freezer_> not pdf->jpeg
[23:29] <zgreg> what this does, instead of 140mA per port, you'll have 280mA combined for both ports
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[23:29] <freezer_> zgreg, interesting
[23:29] <jaxdahl2> Milos, it is my understanding that OK is the SD card indicator
[23:29] <cslouiswith> Milos: well raspbian is overclocked by 100mhz by default
[23:29] <zgreg> it will deal better with devices that have power peaks or if you have one especially power-hungry device
[23:29] <Milos> cslouiswith, well I'm running mine at 1GHz stable for the last few days
[23:29] <Milos> spend hours compiling without issues
[23:29] <Milos> but that's all irrelevant
[23:30] <Milos> I was just wondering
[23:30] <trevorman> zgreg: hmm. that thread says the input fuse is actually 700ma which does match up with the "07" silkscreened on the actual fuse on my RPi
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> Milos, OK led doubles as the SD access LED..
[23:30] <zgreg> trevorman: yep.
[23:30] <zgreg> trevorman: just as I said earlier?
[23:30] <Milos> imo, the "OK" LED should be called ACT and it should be the "HDD" indicator.
[23:30] <Milos> like on every other machine that exists on this planet
[23:30] <cslouiswith> Milos: THERE IS NO HDD
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> Milos, 1GHz without overvolting?
[23:30] <trevorman> zgreg: bleh. schematic fails!
[23:31] <Milos> gordonDrogon, with, 1.35V
[23:31] <Milos> cslouiswith, who you screaming at buddy
[23:31] <cslouiswith> Milos: typo
[23:31] <Milos> gordonDrogon, at least that is my understanding. I used "6"
[23:31] <daxroc> Anyone seen "hub 1- hub_port_status failed (err = -110)" before ?
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> Milos, ok. My Pis seem OK at 900MHz without overvolt, but I've only tried 1GHz one one - didn't work.
[23:31] <trevorman> Milos: the OK LED is under software control anyway so its up to the kernel to make it blink for SD activity
[23:32] <cslouiswith> daxroc: has something been chewing through your usb cable?
[23:32] <Milos> oh!
[23:32] <Milos> I didn't think that
[23:32] <Milos> I thought it was programmed on the chip
[23:32] <trevorman> the silkscreen is slightly misleading/wrong anyway
[23:32] <Milos> gordonDrogon, yeah I tried 900MHz but when I was compiling I got internal compiler segfaults
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> Well. Got raspbian minimalised & BASIC installed, gzipped down to 105MB.
[23:32] <trevorman> the "10M" LED lights up to indicate 100M
[23:32] <zgreg> BTW, the microusb socket looks rather fragile... did anyone manage to break it off yet?
[23:32] <daxroc> cslouiswith: No
[23:32] <Milos> gordonDrogon, so I thought I'd try 1GHz + overvolting or return to stock
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> Milos, ok. have you overclocked the sdram? Mine are ok at 500MHz except when using the GPU - ie. the hello_triangle fails on one, but woks on another at 500MHz.
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir> I did 900Mhz, it got pretty hot so I dropped it to 800
[23:33] <zgreg> 1 GHz w/ overvolting (dom's recommended settings) work completely fine here, too
[23:33] <trevorman> zgreg: yeah. the socket on mine doesn't even have the solder tabs so I wouldn't be surprised if somebody does manage to knock it off
[23:33] <zgreg> 800 MHz without overvolting work fine also
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir> Right now it's running stock for OpenELEC
[23:33] <zgreg> 900 MHz w/o overvolting work, but it's not stable
[23:34] <Milos> gordonDrogon, I did not touch the sdram or gpu (I don't care about gpu, my setup is headless anyway). well I did try messing with sdram but I don't think it will make a huge difference for me, and I only tried it with 900MHz and no overvolting which caused segfaults
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> not had an issue on 3 now at 900MHz, but I'm not going anything other than smallish compiles (well, compared to compiling the kernel!)
[23:34] <GabrialDestruir> No wait... I was doing 875 not 900 lol
[23:34] <Milos> maybe I should try at 500MHz now with overvolting
[23:34] <zgreg> Milos: increasing the GPU frequency also improves CPU performance
[23:34] <trevorman> Milos: be aware that overvolting will void your warranty
[23:34] <eggy> guess raspbian is the way to go
[23:35] <Milos> trevorman, I didn't even know it came with warranty, so.
[23:35] <Milos> zgreg, :|
[23:35] <Milos> just because they're on the same chip
[23:35] <Milos> I don't see how increasing the GPU frequency is going to increase the CPU frequency
[23:35] <trevorman> they share RAM
[23:35] <zgreg> Milos: that's because the RAM is accessed through the GPU, and the L2 cache is also part of the GPU
[23:35] <Milos> hmm
[23:35] <zgreg> so overclocking the GPU reduces RAM and L2 cache latency
[23:36] <Milos> gordonDrogon, I was compiling ncurses which takes forever
[23:36] <Milos> zgreg, I see...
[23:36] <Milos> maybe I should try some more settings then
[23:36] <Milos> but bah, then I have to test it
[23:36] <trevorman> Milos: if you overvolt then it'll blow a OTP fuse inside the SoC and they're able to read it. undervolting apparently doesn't set this fuse.
[23:36] <daxroc> cslouiswith: The kernel is reseting the usb "openelec user.info kernel: [ 574.603345] usb 1- reset full speed USB device number 63 using dwc_otg "
[23:37] <Milos> trevorman, ok, I already knew this, and remember I didn't even know it came with a warranty
[23:37] <Milos> but thank you for the information
[23:37] <zgreg> undervolting doesn't really affect power consumption much, or does it?
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[23:37] <Milos> you would think it would go down wouldn't you
[23:37] <Milos> I haven't tested
[23:37] <trevorman> doubt it'd go down much
[23:37] <Milos> I need some smart way of measuring current/voltage on this thing
[23:37] <zgreg> it will go down for sure, just not very much
[23:37] <Milos> I know I can measure voltage
[23:37] <Milos> but I need some fancy USB plug that reads the current
[23:37] <zgreg> Milos: you can use a shunt
[23:38] <harold> what's a shunt?
[23:38] <Milos> yeah what is a shunt
[23:38] <zgreg> it's a small, high-precision resistor
[23:38] <Milos> fancy
[23:38] <harold> a resistor hooked in parallel tohelp determine the voltage in a roundabout way?
[23:38] <zgreg> put it in series with a power line and measure the voltage over it
[23:38] <zgreg> you can then calculate the current with ohm's law
[23:38] <Milos> what about current :P
[23:38] <harold> ahhhhhhh, ok
[23:38] <Milos> I guess so.
[23:38] <trevorman> http://www.alternatezone.com/electronics/ucurrent/ if you want to measure the current
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[23:39] <harold> Milos: then you can just measure across... since the 'shunt' is something you can take off and on easily
[23:39] <Milos> mmmmm I see
[23:39] <dmsuse> we talking about shunts
[23:39] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if overclocking would help with OpenELEC any
[23:39] <Milos> on another note
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[23:40] <Milos> my pi is now running fully automated and headless over 3G
[23:40] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: 700 -> 800 didn't do anything noticeable for me
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[23:40] <Milos> so I turn it on, and it connects to the Internet and pings my web servers with its current IP
[23:40] <dmsuse> Milos: i want the same thing, i want to measure current from my shunt for solar panels
[23:40] <harold> when you say high precision you mean it's very small.. like a few ohms or something?
[23:40] <Milos> and bingo
[23:40] <zgreg> hmm I think I have a 0.1 ohm resistor lying around somewhere... that should be handy :)
[23:40] <trevorman> harold: high precision in that its exactly 1.00 or whatever
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[23:42] <GabrialDestruir> There's a problem with this tested values table -.-
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir> It has no mention of stability
[23:42] <trevorman> what tested values table?
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir> At the bottom
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir> it's rather incomplete
[23:42] <Milos> very incomplete
[23:42] <Milos> my pi is running with the last row
[23:43] <Milos> 1GHz and 6
[23:43] <trevorman> that table is useless as it all depends on the specific chip anyway
[23:43] <Milos> indeed
[23:43] <Milos> but worksforme
[23:43] <GabrialDestruir> Aren't they all suppose to have the same chip?
[23:43] <Milos> yes
[23:43] <Milos> but
[23:43] <Milos> when you manufacture, you get inconsitencies
[23:43] <trevorman> yes but you're working outside of the rated specifications
[23:44] <Milos> some chips might be better at overclocking than others
[23:44] <Milos> just out of pure luck
[23:44] <daxroc> 4.6V across tp1,2 is too low right?
[23:44] <trevorman> somebody out there might have a rpi that is only reliable at 700mhz. its still a completely valid and working chip which fits the specs though so its able to be sold.
[23:44] <Milos> also please tell me there is a typo on that page
[23:44] <trevorman> daxroc: yes. that is pretty low
[23:44] <Milos> it says 0.25V steps
[23:44] <Milos> don't they mean 0.025V steps?
[23:45] <GabrialDestruir> Well a fuller table still would be nice.
[23:45] <Milos> it will be filled over time
[23:45] <zgreg> the tested values aren't useless. while you can't say for sure, statistically you can determine that a certain setting works fine with a certain propability
[23:45] <daxroc> trevorman: I don't under stand it's a 5.1v 2A psu ?
[23:45] <dmsuse> umm, the rpi is actually rated for 800mhz, they just lowered it 700 to be safe
[23:45] <trevorman> dmsuse: where did you read that
[23:45] <dmsuse> gert / jamesh said it on the forum
[23:46] <GabrialDestruir> Give a better idea of what's stable and what isn't. Like none of the 800Mhz settings are there. Yet a lot of them have been tested before.
[23:46] <zgreg> dmsuse: interesting, but is the bcm2835 rated for 800 MHz at the default voltage of 1.2V?
[23:47] <dmsuse> i have no idea, just repeating what i vaguely remember reading
[23:47] <GabrialDestruir> Well 800Mhz is pretty stable at default voltage, I haven't heard anyone say it isn't.
[23:47] <trevorman> dmsuse: idk. the FAQ on the rpf site says "There's a little overclocking headroom ? most devices will run happily at 800MHz"
[23:47] <Milos> can someone confirm the config.txt wiki page has a massive typo on it, re: 0.25V steps
[23:47] <Milos> they mean 0.025V don't they
[23:48] <trevorman> saying most devices doesn't really indicate to me that its actually rated for 800mhz at 1.2V
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[23:48] <dmsuse> trevorman: that pretty much confirms it :P
[23:48] <trevorman> Milos: yes I assume so
[23:48] <dmsuse> ill try and find the post
[23:48] <Milos> trevorman, ok good, because my calculations yielded it must be 0.025V steps
[23:48] <trevorman> dmsuse: confirms what? if its a 800mhz at 1.2V part then wouldn't it be "all devices will run at 800mhz"
[23:49] <GabrialDestruir> Not if they wanted further stability and trying to "extend the life" of the chip?
[23:49] <dmsuse> they all do, don't they?
[23:49] <dmsuse> what GabrialDestruir said :P
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[23:50] <trevorman> "I thought my Pi was running fairly reliably at 800Mhz but I had occasional weird stuff happening under load. Overclocking the sdram made it more unreliable. It might run for days with a light load but is useless running benchmarks. Luck of the draw I guess. Back to 700Mhz for me and hopefully the next one does better. "
[23:50] <trevorman> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=309&p=78314
[23:50] <trevorman> they might have had a marginal psu though
[23:50] <GabrialDestruir> Test each chip extensively at 800Mhz, then they can drop it to 700Mhz, which should be theoretically more stable than the 800Mhz they tested for, also because it's not at the higher rating, the card "shouldn't" die out as fast.
[23:51] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: where does it say that?
[23:52] <GabrialDestruir> It doesn't, but it's a logical assumption that's why they did it if they're 800Mhz chips.
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[23:53] <trevorman> "The belief is that the worst that can happen from overclocking is your Pi will crash. It shouldn't have any affect on lifespan (no more than running it in a slightly warmer room)."
[23:53] <trevorman> same thread
[23:53] <Milos> :D
[23:53] <daxroc> ok, apple usb psu cause issues, tho they are rated @ 5.1V 2.1A. The voltage across tp1,2 is 4.6V
[23:53] <dmsuse> GabrialDestruir: i remember reading they ran theirs at 800 all way through development and lowered it for the reason u just said
[23:53] <dmsuse> maybe i just dreamt up reading this.. hope not :P or im going crazy
[23:54] <GabrialDestruir> Could just be when they started producing multiple boards they just found some to be unstable at 800Mhz, so they underclocked to 800Mhz
[23:54] <GabrialDestruir> Which would just be bad QC
[23:54] <trevorman> dmsuse: dom says he's never had a failure at 800mhz in the thread I linked but doesn't mention anything about dropping down to 700
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[23:55] <oldman> Is there anywhere I can get hold of xbmc to run as a program on Debian?. Not the embedded solution that is available.
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[23:55] <GabrialDestruir> As far as I know, an xbmc standalone binary doesn't exist yet.
[23:56] <GabrialDestruir> or even an xbmc binary that runs on something other than Raspbmc/OpenELEC
[23:56] <zgreg> http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r526/squareitround/Punnet_Mk1_group_shot.jpg
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[23:56] <zgreg> hm, that looks really nice now
[23:57] <dmsuse> so what were ppl saying i need to do to get a shunt reading?
[23:57] <dmsuse> a resistor?
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[23:57] <trevorman> you want the lowest value precision resistor you can find
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[23:58] <Skrotus> yeah think I'll do the punnet thing while I wait for a real case
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[23:58] <zgreg> the paper case is just fine. I simply need something to protect against dust and short circuits
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