#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-05

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[0:07] <Foxhoundz> I keep getting a kernel panic when connecting a USB keyboard on my Pi
[0:07] <jaxdahl2> what kind of keyboard
[0:07] <Foxhoundz> It's a Gear Head standard keyboard
[0:08] <Foxhoundz> no special functions or anything
[0:08] <Foxhoundz> and the power source I'm using is 5V, .7A
[0:08] <Foxhoundz> which is supposed to be optimal for the Pi
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[0:09] <chris_99> it could be the keyboard is using too much power Foxhoundz ?
[0:09] <chris_99> as usb ports are apparently power limited
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[0:09] <Foxhoundz> Weird
[0:09] <Foxhoundz> this is the last keyboard I would have expected to cause power issues
[0:10] <plugwash> bottom line, do not rule out power problems until/unless you have measured the ACTUAL voltages present
[0:10] <plugwash> lots of cheaper USB power supplies are fraudulently labelled and the Pi has a badly designed power circuit that can't even deliver 100ma to USB devices at acceptable voltages
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[0:11] <phoque> wow
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[0:11] <phoque> my raspi does so well when watching H264 material
[0:11] <fakker> mine does it better than yours
[0:12] <phoque> nope
[0:12] <phoque> but mine does better than my main PC
[0:13] <Foxhoundz> I'm going to try another keyboard
[0:13] <Foxhoundz> I just need to get to a point where I can SSH into the Pi
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[0:16] <Foxhoundz> go figure
[0:16] <Foxhoundz> my keyboard loaded with a bunch of LEDs and function keys work
[0:16] <Foxhoundz> the standard keyboard does not
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[0:17] <SpeedEvil> In addition - try booting with keyboard plugged in
[0:17] <SpeedEvil> not ...
[0:18] <Foxhoundz> I tried all methods on the first keyboard
[0:18] <Foxhoundz> but it's okay now
[0:18] <Foxhoundz> I'll use this keyboard from now on
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[0:23] <Foxhoundz> weird
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[0:27] <Gadgetoid> Eee, disturbing noises in house, do not want!
[0:27] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid: http://news.sky.com/home/strange-news/article/16240998 you need something to investigate!
[0:28] <Gadgetoid> SpeedEvil: Holy f*2837!
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[0:30] <Trickierstinky> i know what Im doing with my spare Pi.......I just need a cat!
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> Trickierstinky: Just go to your local cats home.
[0:30] <Gadgetoid> Plenty of cats here
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> 'Do you have any particularly aerodynamic ones?'
[0:31] <Gadgetoid> neighbours wouldn't even notice it gone, until it crashed into their window
[0:31] <Trickierstinky> could always pass it off has it is actually the next stage of evolution
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[0:32] <Foxhoundz> Interesting
[0:32] <Foxhoundz> on Debian Squeeze, users have to manually start the window manager
[0:32] <Foxhoundz> Why so? :<
[0:33] <ShiftPlusOne> They don't HAVE to start it.
[0:33] <Foxhoundz> True, but RPi is intended for children in impoverished nations
[0:33] <plugwash> no it isn't
[0:33] <Foxhoundz> Yes, yes it is.
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> It's designed with children in impoverished nations in mind.
[0:34] <Foxhoundz> Well, now we're just splitting hairs
[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Right now it's intended for developers to get it into shape for kids in not-so-impoverished countries.
[0:34] <plugwash> at least that wasn't it's primary goal, it was created by a UK charity to try and encourage kids in the UK to take a deeper interest in computing by making available a computer cheap enough to be theirs to tinker with
[0:35] <Foxhoundz> Anyway, the point being, it would have been helpful for others if the GNOME started up
[0:35] <gordonDrogon> just back from a local beacon lighting & fireworks! http://a.yfrog.com/img740/8546/mrtrr.jpg
[0:35] <plugwash> I'm not so convinced of that. while the Pi can run an X desktop it doesn't do a very good job of it and it's likely that many apps for the Pi will run better outside of X
[0:35] <gmjhowe> Yes, but for most people playing with linux, trying 'startx' is expected, if not, it is a google away.
[0:36] <plugwash> especially as we don't have any facilities for accelerated graphics within X yet
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Foxhoundz, I don't mean this in a 'being a jerk' way, but you can roll your own distro the way you think it should be and if it's good and what people want, it will be succesful. I think that's what it's all about right now... the work of the community.
[0:36] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the "official" releases aren't quite there yet and there might well be another release of debian from the foundation ...
[0:36] <Foxhoundz> I tried LXDE and it's pretty snappy
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[0:37] <gordonDrogon> xfce4 is snappy if you turn off the desktop features.
[0:37] <plugwash> LXDE itself isn't too bad, the trouble is that it's eating up quite a chunk of the Pi's limited memory and until we get integration of the accelerated graphics libs with X it is also preventing apps from using accelerated graphics
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[0:38] <plugwash> So while there are usecases for running X on the Pi most apps that can run outside of X will likely run better outside of X
[0:38] <Trickierstinky> scary moment at the min am doing my first bit of soldering to use with the pi....its not pretty
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[0:39] <ShiftPlusOne> I also consider being able to solve problems to be a part of computer literacy. So if you start it up and don't see anything interesting, that's a blank canvas for you to get started with linux on. Though I think it should boot into some sort of guided tutorial the first time.
[0:39] <ShiftPlusOne> but that's just me
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[0:40] <gmjhowe> I was thinking of soldering directly on the Pi
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[0:40] <Foxhoundz> Well that's the thing. In developing countries, one does not have the luxury of hopping on a second computer to Google for a solution
[0:40] <gmjhowe> so many tiny resistors to knock off with the iron..
[0:41] <Foxhoundz> I believe the Pi was advertized as a neat little package to encourage programming, as evident in the programming related packages that come preinstalled on the Pi
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[0:41] <gmjhowe> It will be ready for developing countries when they introduce the buy one/give one scheme
[0:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Foxhoundz, agreed
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[0:41] <ShiftPlusOne> gmjhowe, why do you need to solder directly?
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[0:42] <gmjhowe> I am not actually going to do it with this Pi, but plans involving replacing the SD card slot with a MicroSD, as well as inverting the Video connector
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid: On the daily mail website - ***The artist should be carefully watched. This is what serial killers do before they become lunatics.*** Rubbish! I bet you can't come up with a SINGLE example of a convicted serial killer who was known to turn pets into helicopters!!!!!!!!!
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2154283/Cats-away-Artist-turns-dead-pet-flying-helicopter-killed-car.html#ixzz1wrop3ou4
[0:43] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, lol!
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> yea, talk about a lol cat ...
[0:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I've seen the cat before, but " I bet you can't come up with a SINGLE example of a convicted serial killer who was known to turn pets into helicopters!" is brilliant.
[0:44] <dmsuse> gmjhowe: umm why?
[0:44] <reider59> most cerial killers eat wheatabix for breakfast
[0:44] <gmjhowe> Because the SD card slot sticks out a massive distance, and MicroSD cards are almost the same price as normal SD
[0:45] <ShiftPlusOne> gmjhowe, have you used microsd through an adapter to see if it works well enough?
[0:45] <gmjhowe> Yep
[0:45] <ShiftPlusOne> I was under the impression that microsd is iffy
[0:45] <gmjhowe> Works fine.
[0:45] <ShiftPlusOne> (on pi)
[0:45] <gmjhowe> Only if you use a slow one
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[0:46] <gmjhowe> Got a class4 one
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[0:46] <ShiftPlusOne> well, good luck with it.. going to be a bit difficult.
[0:47] <plugwash> ShiftPlusOne, some cards are fine some give issues and this applies regardless of whether you are talking full-size or micro, at one stage it was thought that microSD were more likely to be problematic than regular SD but I don't think anyone has gathered any real stats
[0:47] <hamitron> just solder wires a memory card, and then to a connector
[0:47] <hamitron> ;)
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[0:48] <gmjhowe> Done more complicated soldering before.
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[0:48] <gmjhowe> The difference is, I only wast ??25 if I wreck a board.
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[0:49] <hamitron> I'd say go for it
[0:49] <plugwash> more like ??50 at the moment if you want a replacement quickly dropping to ??30 when the backlog is cleared
[0:49] <Trickierstinky> I've come to realise i do not have the hands for soldering
[0:49] <ReggieUK> I'm wondering if some of the issues that are being found are down to other things
[0:49] <ReggieUK> I was getting errors on a raspbian install
[0:49] <ReggieUK> about an hour ago I checked the voltages on the 1amp 5v supply I was using and it was giving me 4.5v
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[0:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Trickierstinky, nonsense, you might just not have the right soldering iron, bad solder, or bad technique.
[0:50] <ReggieUK> swapped that out for a supply that's a steady 5v and drops to 4.75v with a powered usb hub and all of the microSD card errors have gone
[0:50] <gmjhowe> plugwash: hence why I have not done any such mods to the Pi I have!
[0:50] <gmjhowe> when they are easy to order then I will.
[0:51] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, add poor eyesight or lack of magnification to that too!!
[0:51] <Trickierstinky> shiftpluone: or it could be the fact i'm doing it at ten to midnight as well :P
[0:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, I was going to add that the right equipment makes all the difference... magnification would be a part of it.
[0:51] <hamitron> it is a lot easier to solder something already broken
[0:51] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, if you're blind, then avoid soldering
[0:51] <hamitron> then nothing lost
[0:51] <hamitron> :)
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[0:52] <ReggieUK> if you can't get a jewellers loupe then +3 reading glasses are awesome :D
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[0:52] <Trickierstinky> oh yeah got magnification just hands always wobble even when not soldering
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[0:52] <hamitron> I find it hard to work under magnification
[0:52] <ReggieUK> Trickierstinky, learn how to brace yourself properly
[0:52] <hamitron> hard to judge distances :/
[0:53] <gmjhowe> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26330117/gmjhowe/Piv2.png
[0:53] <Trickierstinky> I suppose just always had trouble with the shakes.
[0:53] <gmjhowe> Coming together now.
[0:53] <ReggieUK> hamitron, I've been using reading glasses recently, much better for soldering
[0:53] <hamitron> yeh, I can imagine
[0:53] <ShiftPlusOne> gmjhowe, is that going to be laser cut or what?
[0:54] <hamitron> although, I am short sighted anyway, and don't have issues with things close up
[0:54] <gmjhowe> Yeah, laser cut case
[0:54] <ShiftPlusOne> gmjhowe, your own laser cutter?
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[0:55] <gmjhowe> We have one at the hackspace where I am a member
[0:55] <gmjhowe> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gmjhowe/7336644130/in/photostream
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[0:55] <gmjhowe> Thats the prototype
[0:55] <IT_Sean> laaaaaser!
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[0:55] <Trickierstinky> which hackspace is it you go too?
[0:55] <ReggieUK> pew pew pew
[0:55] <IT_Sean> That's a pretty awesome case. Not sure on the color.
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[0:55] <gmjhowe> Nottinghack
[0:55] <ShiftPlusOne> gmjhowe, nice
[0:56] <Trickierstinky> wish they had one in sheffield or a meetup
[0:56] <gmjhowe> Close enough for you to visit though!
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[0:56] <gmjhowe> Do not think it will be long till sheffield has something.
[0:57] <Trickierstinky> we have the gist hub, just the hackspace seems more robust if you know what i mean
[0:57] <gmjhowe> Perhaps you will be a founding member.
[0:57] <Trickierstinky> a guy who can't solder properly :P
[0:58] <gmjhowe> no excuse
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[1:01] <Trickierstinky> yay all done :P first ever bit of soldering http://imgur.com/5xgje
[1:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Trickierstinky, yeah, you're doing it wrong.
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[1:03] <IT_Sean> Yeah, i didn't want to say anything, but, that's crap. Sorry.
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I wouldn't go that far
[1:03] <IT_Sean> It's not bad ofr a first go
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Trickierstinky, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY
[1:03] <IT_Sean> But, it could easily be improved.
[1:03] <Trickierstinky> I know it crap, i dont dispute that.
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[1:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Trickierstinky, the trick is to put the iron against the OPPOSITE side of where you're putting the solder, heat up the pad and pin, then let the solder flow around towards the iron. Just make sure you don't heat the pad so much that the board chars or the pad comes off.
[1:06] <ShiftPlusOne> And less is more, you don't want blobs, you just want enough to form the joint.
[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> but watch the video, that will demonstrate how it's done properly
[1:07] <hamitron> I prefer to touch both iron tip and pin at same time
[1:07] * plugwash finds the solder doesn't tend to melt unless it touches either the iron or the blob of solder
[1:07] <plugwash> even with the iron set pretty hot
[1:07] <Trickierstinky> ahh right cool thaks
[1:07] <plugwash> using thin solder helps
[1:07] <chod> ppl
[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, plugwash probably the solder is too thick
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[1:08] <hamitron> it works ;/
[1:08] <plugwash> nah even with thin solder I find it doesn't want to melt unless it touches the iron
[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I do that too sometimes
[1:08] <hamitron> important to heat the pad and pin, like you say though
[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne> but even then, I just touch it to get it going then bring it over to the other side
[1:08] <ReggieUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uiroWBkdFY
[1:09] <ReggieUK> soldering skills
[1:09] <hamitron> best lesson I ever had, was soldering bits of wire together into a cube :/
[1:09] <hamitron> keep doing that, and see how smaller cube you can make
[1:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, nuh, just the right equipment.
[1:10] <ShiftPlusOne> educational though... some good tricks there.
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[1:10] <hamitron> no cheating with tools, just the soldering iron ;)
[1:10] <ShiftPlusOne> hamitron, may I ask why?
[1:11] <hamitron> teaches you to solder, without applying too much heat into wire
[1:11] <hamitron> and hardens up your fingers
[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
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[1:11] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, sure but you have to have a certain amount of skill to get the right tools, the right solder/flux and know that the iron is at the right temperature or if it's not optimal, how long you can keep the iron on things before you damage stuff
[1:11] <hamitron> but mostly to not heat it too much
[1:12] <ReggieUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUyetZ5RtPs
[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, I don't know if there is any difference between skill and experience, but I'd call that experience... probably semantics though.
[1:13] <ReggieUK> the skill is what you gain from the experience
[1:13] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[1:13] <Trickierstinky> I give these a watch!but I suppose it will do for testing :P
[1:14] <ReggieUK> it's just to show that soldering really is very simple if you do it right
[1:14] <ReggieUK> watch more videos
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Trickierstinky, watch the first video I sent you instead. The other ones are for surface mount, which you don't seem to be doing yet.
[1:14] <ReggieUK> practice on old junk
[1:14] <Trickierstinky> i'll give them all a watch thanks
[1:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ahh, this has been a lovely quiet Jubamajig, just a shame it leaked into IRC slightly
[1:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm pretty sure everyone's getting robbed blind right now
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[1:17] <ReggieUK> Gadgetoid_Air, a bit random?
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Jubamajig? O_o
[1:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> The queen thingy
[1:17] <ReggieUK> I understand the jubamajig but wheres the robbed blind bit come in?
[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ah k
[1:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> ReggieUK: everyone's out of their houses doing stupid stuff like lighting fires
[1:18] <trevorman> the jubilee show was more "how crazy can I be with my outfit?"
[1:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm pretty sure the noises I heard were someone trying to sneak into my house, but the darkness is impenetrable out there
[1:20] <ReggieUK> ahh
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[1:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> Also, my aforementioned lack of directional hearing coupled with currently raised levels of anxiety and paranoia, garnished with recently-moved-in-neighbours have made me a little jumpy
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[1:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Set up bear traps?
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[1:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> ShiftPlusOne: nuclear bear traps!
[1:22] <ShiftPlusOne> exactly
[1:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> On the plus side, I found out my wife has not only taught Scratch but has a bunch of interesting teaching resources for it
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[1:25] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: caltrops. just leave some mains leads out with the pins facing up.
[1:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> also ShiftPlusOne, I haven't tried the new XECLoader yet :(
[1:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Gadgetoid_Air, it's pretty 'meh'... left some bugs in there and because of proper network support it takes a noticable amount of time to boot up.
[1:26] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid: Pi + USB-IR cams
[1:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> trevorman: eee, we've all felt that pain... I would wish it upon no man!
[1:27] <trevorman> lol. lego brick is worse IMO
[1:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm definitely feeling the lack of an IR cam
[1:27] <trevorman> the little 1x1 brick
[1:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> I raise you an upside-down thomas-the-tank-engine coal loader placed on the penultimate stair
[1:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not even the train, but the plastic shell on top... I almost died!
[1:29] <SpeedEvil> The Pi might be quite entertaining.
[1:29] <SpeedEvil> Getting all the GPIO pins in at once would be a challenge
[1:29] <trevorman> ouch okay you win
[1:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> I think the Pi would ultimately lose that battle
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[1:35] <Trickierstinky> looking forward to hooking the screen up 2morrow now, I may change my mind half way through doing it but we'll soon see
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[1:54] <L33TG33KG34R> hey guys, I just got my raspberry pi and I loaded the latest debian image but I get this: "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel"
[1:54] <L33TG33KG34R> I am using win 7
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[1:56] <mythos> try init=/bin/sh
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[1:57] <mythos> if you get a shell, not everything is broken
[1:57] <L33TG33KG34R> I can't use my keyboard at all
[1:57] <mythos> you know, how to set a kernelparameter?
[1:57] <L33TG33KG34R> everything is "frozen" so to speak
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[1:58] <mythos> yes, that's normal for a kernel panic (what happens instantly when init dies/not startup)
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[2:03] <mythos> L33TG33KG34R, maybe, for a beginner, it is easier to recreate the image/sdcard
[2:04] <SpeedEvil> Init=/bin/bash only works if you are using a bootloader which lets you enter the command line.
[2:04] <mythos> maybe the downloaded file is broken
[2:05] <SpeedEvil> Likely
[2:06] <mythos> SpeedEvil, i have no working pi here, tomorrow i get my power supply. but it must be possible to set kernelparameters, i guess
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[2:06] <SpeedEvil> Not using the keyboard
[2:07] <mythos> SpeedEvil, that was never a requirement
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[2:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, my random interesting component shopping list keeps getting longer!
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[2:16] <nid0> what've you added to it?
[2:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> nid0: just a logic level converter breakout
[2:18] <Decepshun> so...Raspbmc is givving me fits about playing movies: http://pastebin.com/cKjG9nPF
[2:18] <Decepshun> is it becuase it is trying to output a movie in a higer resolution than my monitor can support?
[2:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> I fancy building an arduino on a breadboard and interfacing it with the Pi, avoiding USB
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[2:23] <Decepshun> anyone know how to get the firmware verson off the pi?
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[2:24] <Decepshun> tap...tap....this thing working?
[2:24] <SpeedEvil> There is only one firmware version
[2:24] <SpeedEvil> - most of the firmware is in the SD
[2:24] <Decepshun> ok
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> 0\
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[2:27] <Syliss> lol
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[2:34] <L33TG33KG34R> do I need to format my sd card in any specific format?
[2:35] <nid0> if you're writing the debian image and doing it using win32diskimager, you dont need to be formatting it at all
[2:36] <L33TG33KG34R> hmm... where is the wiki for the supported sd cards?
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> L33TG33KG34R, the question is 'wrong'. When you write the image, everything will be done for you.
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[2:36] <L33TG33KG34R> thanks
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[2:40] <L33TG33KG34R> Im downloading the older image off element 14
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[2:41] <L33TG33KG34R> the debian image that is and see if that works. In the meantime I don't see the MS kbd and mouse on the "problematic" list and neither my SD card on the "problematic" list...
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[3:10] <L33TG33KG34R> hmm... it seems there is a problem with the SD card itself...
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[3:11] <trevorman> the verified peripherals list isn't exhaustive or definitive
[3:11] <trevorman> just because it isn't on there doesn't mean it guaranteed to work unfortunately
[3:11] <trevorman> what is your problem with the SD card anyway?
[3:12] <trevorman> not booting at all? starting but then fails? boots but you get millions of errors?
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[3:14] <david3x3x3> for some reason the music player on the debian image isn't playing
[3:14] <L33TG33KG34R> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/--q8j1kza0wA/T81b2iMivtI/AAAAAAAABTc/qdLDqpawBcU/s1135/20120604_190717.jpg
[3:14] <arthurdent> what usb network adapter do you recommend? I'm looking for something low profile but not sucking is more important
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[3:15] <nid0> arthurdent: any realtek 8192-based device will work fine with a kernel module added (tons of guides floating around on doing so), its used in a lot of v low profile devices such as micronext MN-WD552B (usually priced at around ??6) or Edimax EW-7811Un (usually a couple of ?? more)
[3:16] <nid0> both are tiny, I use the former in my pis
[3:16] <L33TG33KG34R> http://www.uawifi.com/ ???
[3:16] <SStrife> why do you need multiple nics on Pi?
[3:16] * plugwash has used http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/56475-hub-3x-usb-ethernet-blkgrey-psg90189.html on other arm systems successfully
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[3:16] <trevorman> L33TG33KG34R: what image you using?
[3:16] <plugwash> as a bonus it comes with a fairly nice PSU
[3:17] <arthurdent> SStrife: what do you mean?
[3:17] <nid0> SStrife my assumption is he was referring to wifi, could be wrong though :)
[3:17] <L33TG33KG34R> I am using the 13-04 image off element14 and I also tried 19-04 off the raspberry pi site...
[3:17] <arthurdent> i definitely was referring to wifi :P thanks nid0
[3:17] <SStrife> ah
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[3:18] <trevorman> L33TG33KG34R: you probably need to update the bootloader and possibly the kernel
[3:18] <arthurdent> yeah i wasn't explicitly clear
[3:18] <trevorman> they did a bunch of fixes which improved compatibility
[3:18] <L33TG33KG34R> and how do I go about doing this?
[3:19] <trevorman> L33TG33KG34R: replace the files in the FAT partition with https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
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[3:26] <arthurdent> sweet, purchased all of the parts i need for my raspi, which is at my dad's house. I was going to ship it here but the expected arrival date was for after I was moving out :/
[3:26] <arthurdent> which clearly was poorly estimated
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[3:33] <L33TG33KG34R> hmm, that didn't work
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[3:38] <ReggieUK> I've just been checking the voltage on my pi's test points
[3:38] <ReggieUK> some slightly? odd stuff occuring
[3:38] <ReggieUK> tried one psu that ends up below spec if i plug in a powered usb hub
[3:39] <ReggieUK> 2nd psu stays in spec because it starts with a higher voltage but plugging various things into either port, or the hub, gives different voltage drops on the 5v rail
[3:39] <ReggieUK> for either psu
[3:40] <ReggieUK> empty hub on it's own causes 250mv alone
[3:40] <plugwash> arthurdent, I think they are being deliberately pessimistic on their estimates
[3:40] <arthurdent> yeah, makes sense
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[3:42] <ReggieUK> the upshot was that i get the 250mv voltage drop using the hub no matter what, and although the keyboard, mouse, webcam i tried all cause a drop, I get least voltage drop from the peripherals if they're all plugged into the hub
[3:43] <ReggieUK> the hub has got a decent psu on it (12v 4amps)
[3:45] <ReggieUK> hmmmmn
[3:45] <ReggieUK> I need a micro-usb cable I can destroy
[3:46] <plugwash> it may be that the regulator in the hub is set a little low
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[3:47] <plugwash> So that under no load on the hub the Pi powers the hub but as the load increases and the voltage from the Pi drops the hub's PSU starts to take over
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[3:47] <plugwash> (this asusming that the hub is too cheap to have proper power control and just ties all 5V lines together)
[3:48] <ReggieUK> the hub has got a proper voltage regulator inside
[3:48] <plugwash> sure but if it's setpoint is a bit low and it's output is tied to the Pi's power line.
[3:48] <plugwash> then the Pi will provide most of the power under light load
[3:49] <plugwash> until the voltage from the Pi drops to the setpoint of the regulator
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[3:49] <ReggieUK> setpoint?
[3:50] <Ricksl> i forget what is the most voltage it can pass through its usb port
[3:50] <Ricksl> assume there is nothing plugged into the other one, so like whats the most it can pass through one single device
[3:51] <ReggieUK> plugwash, the plot thickens
[3:51] <ReggieUK> I've just tried a different micro-usb cable
[3:51] <ReggieUK> back up to 5v output on the pi's 5v rail
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[3:52] <plugwash> ReggieUK, the voltage that the regulator tries to keep it's output at
[3:53] <ReggieUK> as far as I know, as long as the psu is plugged into the hub, it's powered externally
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[3:54] <plugwash> have you verified that? in particular what happens if the Pi is connected to the hub and the hub is powered but the Pi isn't?
[3:54] <ReggieUK> either way, the simple fact of changing the micro-usb cable that's giving me power to the pi has put the voltage back up to 5v
[3:54] <SStrife> some hubs are crap
[3:54] <SStrife> they will shoot power out the "in" plug
[3:54] <ReggieUK> how should I verify it plugwash? measure tp1 and tp2 with the power off on the pi?
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[3:55] <SStrife> the first hub I bought did that
[3:55] <SStrife> so even if you pulled power from the Pi's power plug, it stayed on
[3:55] <ReggieUK> the pi did?
[3:55] <SStrife> yep
[3:55] <SStrife> it didn't work
[3:56] <SStrife> the red light was on but flickering
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[3:57] <ReggieUK> ok, hub is still powered (I can see it's red led), pi is not powered, no lights on the pi, just going to test tp1/2
[3:57] <arthurdent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wearcompevolution.jpg
[3:57] <ReggieUK> 850mv
[3:57] <arthurdent> oops
[3:57] <arthurdent> wrong channel, but this one can probably still appreciate it
[4:00] <ReggieUK> plugwash, also, having changed the cable and measured teh voltage back up to 5v, doesn't that suggest that it was the cable supplying power to the pi that had the issue and not the hub?
[4:01] <plugwash> well it suggests that the cable was impacting on the voltage to the Pi certainly
[4:01] <plugwash> the fact that plugging the hub in reduced the voltage though would seem to indicate it was drawing some power from the Pi despite having a PSU connected
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[4:03] <L33TG33KG34R> ok, I used a different SD card and it works now. I started the GUI but the screen resolution is this really odd 1824 x 984... and there are no options other than "auto" which doesn't change anything
[4:03] <L33TG33KG34R> I have it connected to a 1080p monitor from samsung...
[4:03] <arthurdent> it probably thinks it's plugged into a TV
[4:03] <ReggieUK> plugwash, still getting a voltage drop with the hub and the new cable
[4:04] <plugwash> L33TG33KG34R, the Pi by default has an overscan compensation border
[4:04] <ReggieUK> but with the hub unplugged I'm actually reading 5.19v on tp1/2
[4:04] <plugwash> so that when used with a TV stuff doesn't go off the eduge of the screen
[4:04] <ReggieUK> so the hubs got it's own drop along with the cable
[4:05] <plugwash> so the output is 1920x1080 but the size of the framebuffer is a bit smaller than that
[4:05] <L33TG33KG34R> so how do I change that?
[4:05] <plugwash> see http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[4:09] <L33TG33KG34R> ok, cool, thanks again
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[4:10] <ass_polyp> Anyone know the username/password for the DarkElec distro?
[4:10] <ass_polyp> I can't seem to find it anywhere and I can't ssh with it :/
[4:11] <ass_polyp> I've tried root:root and pi:raspberry but no dice
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[4:16] <Foxhoundz> Has anyone tried Node.js on RPi?
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[4:18] <ReggieUK> https://github.com/darkimmortal/DarkELEC
[4:19] <ReggieUK> it's in the notes
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[4:28] <ass_polyp> thanks!
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[4:51] <Syliss> thx ReggieUK totally gonna try that one
[4:54] <ReggieUK> which?
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[5:02] <Syliss> darkelec
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[5:02] <Syliss> i have openelec running but if that one is better ill use it
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[5:07] <eyeris> I've written the raspbmc image to an sd card and booted it up but the default user/pass of pi/raspberry doesn't work
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[5:09] <passstab> goods nights
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[5:15] <overrider> j #ubuntu
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[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> !!!! =D
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> atrix lapdock is here
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[5:20] <eyeris> Has anyone here had trouble with the raspbmc username/password?
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[5:21] <eyeris> The default of pi/raspberry is not working for me
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[5:21] <Syliss> odd
[5:21] * ReggieUK slaps ShiftPlusOne with a motorola box
[5:21] <Syliss> lol
[5:23] <Crenn-NAS> ShiftPlusOne: What you using it for?
[5:23] <Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: Which motorola product?
[5:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Crenn-NAS, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6747
[5:24] <eyeris> This is strange. If I open the /etc/passwd from the raspbmc image, it doesn't have an account named pi
[5:24] <ShiftPlusOne> damn this thing has a good 'quality' feel to it... love it.
[5:24] <Syliss> nice
[5:25] <Crenn-NAS> ShiftPlusOne: You're veryevil?
[5:25] <ShiftPlusOne> no veryevil is veryevil.
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[5:27] <Syliss> ShiftPlusOne: i so want to do that!
[5:28] * Crenn-NAS is having a problem with MySQL on his pi :(
[5:28] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it's brilliant... gotta love veryevil for getting it working.
[5:28] <Crenn-NAS> ShiftPlusOne: Stop loving yourself?
[5:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not veryevil! >_<
[5:29] <Syliss> lol
[5:29] <Crenn-NAS> Yes you are! You're extremely veryevil
[5:29] <Syliss> i have a bunch of amazon gift cards i could use that on!
[5:29] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/
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[5:30] <ReggieUK> so have you turned it on yet?
[5:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't have the adapters yet
[5:32] <Crenn-NAS> Anyone had this: "An error occurred while setting the password for the MySQL administrative user. This may have happened because the account already has a password, or because of a communication problem with the MySQL server."
[5:33] <hotwings> thats a bit useless. if theres a already a password, it should know
[5:34] <ShiftPlusOne> have you checked whether the abbount already has a password or if there's a communication problem with the MySQL server?
[5:34] <ShiftPlusOne> *account
[5:34] <hotwings> i have error messages that give you little-to-no useful info about the error
[5:34] <Crenn-NAS> That happens when installing
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[5:39] <Syliss> hmm i may buy that lapdock
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[5:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Looks like you have to be really careful with the connectors on it
[5:42] <ShiftPlusOne> the adapters required will give a lot of levarage to snap them easily, since the dock isn't designed to be used like that.
[5:44] <Syliss> maybe a rewire?
[5:44] <Syliss> who knows
[5:44] <Syliss> i wouldn't mind wasting my amazon gc's on that
[5:46] <Syliss> plus when ubuntu gets on android phones that would be something to use later. i like to have my stuff useful
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[5:48] <Syliss> or that mk802 device
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> haven't seen that one
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> looks pretty cool
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[5:58] <L33TG33KG34R> hmm, I added a configuration file but its not being applied since there is always this overscan even when I added overscan_xxxx=0
[5:58] <Syliss> yeah sucks that its almost $80 tho
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[6:00] <Syliss> that would be good for the lapdock
[6:00] * Syliss looks to see how many $5 amazon gift cards he has
[6:05] <L33TG33KG34R> so why won't my config file take effect?
[6:06] <jaxdahl2> L33TG33KG34R, try disable_overscan=1
[6:06] <jaxdahl2> then reboot
[6:06] <jaxdahl2> you are doing /boot/config.txt right
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[6:06] <L33TG33KG34R> yeah
[6:06] <L33TG33KG34R> ok, will try that, thanks
[6:08] <L33TG33KG34R> yup, it worked!
[6:08] <L33TG33KG34R> thanks again
[6:14] <SStrife> rrrgh
[6:15] <SStrife> there are cheap Texas Instruments clones of MAX3232
[6:15] <SStrife> but they are all surface mount
[6:15] <SStrife> element14 only has Maxim brand DIP package variants
[6:15] <SStrife> nearly $8
[6:15] <SStrife> vs $4 for a texas instruments version, but surface mount instead of DIP
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[6:16] <SStrife> guess i just need to get better at soldering :P
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[6:32] <tpresence> SMD isnt horrible
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[6:34] <tpresence> http://www.siliconfarmers.com/smtmanga/
[6:34] <tpresence> lol
[6:36] <ShiftPlusOne> ... O_o
[6:37] <ShiftPlusOne> strange presentation, but not bad.
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[6:37] <Syliss> ugh, now I'm buzzing from my beer and want the lapdock.
[6:38] <L33TG33KG34R> Every project I have done involves atleast one SMD component... the most challenging was the IMU I built for a camera/antenna pan/tilt/roll for tracking and stabilization
[6:39] <L33TG33KG34R> 4mm x 4mm x 1mm ICs and 0603 size passive componnets
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[6:39] <L33TG33KG34R> all hand soldered ofcourse I had a stencil made for the solderpaste
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[6:47] <Syliss> nice
[6:47] <Syliss> i totally suck at soldering
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[6:51] <SStrife> i'm a solder barbarian though
[6:51] <SStrife> i have a decent temp-controlled iron with a 1mm tip, but I just use rosin-core solder
[6:51] <SStrife> none of this fancy pants paste business :P
[6:52] <Syliss> ah
[6:52] <L33TG33KG34R> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Wq6B9BNKJII/T5HKgBqRZMI/AAAAAAAABFM/_0OJjgl5dS8/s1135/20120414_014750.jpg
[6:53] <L33TG33KG34R> each unit is 0.4" x 1" in size and the carrier board (far left) just houses the V-reg for 5V to 3V3
[6:53] <L33TG33KG34R> 9DOF
[6:53] <L33TG33KG34R> going to start selling these pretty soon once I get it working with my Pi
[6:54] <L33TG33KG34R> I have them working with my MBed and its pretty awesome...fun and educational, atleast for me anyway
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[6:55] <Syliss> nice
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[6:56] <L33TG33KG34R> what sort of "electronic entertainment" do you guys enjoy?
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[6:58] <SStrife> i have a pretty comprehensive retro gaming setup
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[6:59] <L33TG33KG34R> no, I meant in terms of building and designing your own electronic devices, what do you guys enjoy the most? assembly, finding new stuff to play with, coding?
[6:59] <Syliss> im more into the knowledge person
[6:59] <SStrife> ah
[6:59] <SStrife> hahah
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[7:00] <SStrife> mine are usually just incidental, i build stuff as a means to fix/accomplish some other task
[7:00] <SStrife> rarely projects for their own sake
[7:00] <Syliss> i do wiring but nothing special
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[7:00] <SStrife> which is one of the reasons I'm excited about Pi
[7:00] <Syliss> me too
[7:03] <Syliss> could totally use this fore the lap dock http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HDMI-Male-to-Micro-HDMI-Female-Gold-Plated-Adapter-converter-Connector-M-F-/270979953763?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item3f17a9f463#ht_2649wt_1378
[7:04] <Syliss> hmm
[7:04] * Syliss always gets stupid ideas
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[7:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Syliss, you'd still need a cable. Connecting the pi straight to that (without some fancy support system) would probably snap the connector
[7:07] <Syliss> case
[7:07] <ShiftPlusOne> and the two connectors are right next to each other, so I am nto sure if there is enough room
[7:08] <Syliss> id make a case
[7:08] <Syliss> true
[7:08] <Syliss> id shave it
[7:09] <ShiftPlusOne> could work
[7:09] <Syliss> id make a case just for this
[7:09] <ShiftPlusOne> the connectors look about 7 mm apart
[7:10] <Syliss> thats fine
[7:11] <ShiftPlusOne> would be awesome. actually planning to do that or just considering it?
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[7:12] <Syliss> oh look, http://rpidock.blogspot.com/2012_05_01_archive.html
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[7:13] <ShiftPlusOne> veryevil's solution is better
[7:14] <ShiftPlusOne> (uses one cable to power the pi and provide the inputs. So you get two usable usb ports left on the dock itself
[7:15] <ShiftPlusOne> then again, you've got the keyboard and mouse there, so there's no much you'd need an extra port for.
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[7:17] <hotwings> any of you powering your rpi with a usb hub?
[7:17] <ShiftPlusOne> tried it, seemed to work fine
[7:18] <ShiftPlusOne> though I have keyboard issues, so I didn't actually test it properly
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[7:18] <hotwings> was thinking about buying a small powered hub, taking the guts out and putting them + the rpi in an custom acrylic case
[7:19] <hotwings> might even get fancy and put all the ports on one side instead of all 4 sides :\
[7:23] <ShiftPlusOne> not a bad idea either
[7:25] <Syliss> i was thinking that for the lapdock
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[8:07] <Matt_P> what parts do i need for using the rpi to throw a switch on a completely different circuit ?
[8:07] <Matt_P> using gpio
[8:07] <Matt_P> and the other circuit just needs two wires to connect
[8:07] <Matt_P> iw as told to google fet..
[8:08] <Vostok> you need a fet
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[8:16] <L33TG33KG34R> an IGBT would be nice...
[8:16] <L33TG33KG34R> <_<
[8:17] <L33TG33KG34R> a NOMFET is pretty good too...
[8:18] <L33TG33KG34R> but a Mosfet should suffice
[8:19] <Matt_P> igbt ?
[8:19] <Matt_P> i dont have any parts atm
[8:20] <Matt_P> so i can go with any design that works lol
[8:20] <SStrife> intergender gay bi-curious transistor?
[8:20] <Matt_P> close
[8:20] <Matt_P> "Insulated gate bipolar transistor"
[8:20] <L33TG33KG34R> I was kidding about the IGBT, unless you are controlling a traction motor for a full sized car or something a mosfet should do
[8:20] <SStrife> (sorry, it looked like LGBT the first few times i read it)
[8:20] <SStrife> couldnt resist :P
[8:20] <Matt_P> lol
[8:21] <L33TG33KG34R> lgbt?
[8:21] <Matt_P> L33TG33KG34R, was nomfet a serious suggestion ?
[8:21] <L33TG33KG34R> what that?
[8:21] <SStrife> with a lowercase L at the front
[8:21] <Matt_P> no lol
[8:21] <Matt_P> it was not :(
[8:21] <Matt_P> nanoparticle organic memory field-effect transistor.
[8:21] <L33TG33KG34R> actually a nomfet popped up on my search for different types of fets to satisfy my short lived curiosity
[8:21] <SStrife> i'm running out of steam today, tired as hell :-/
[8:21] <L33TG33KG34R> so did a dnafet
[8:21] <Matt_P> SStrife, you can download more at steam.com
[8:22] <L33TG33KG34R> lolz
[8:22] <SStrife> ha
[8:22] <SStrife> :)
[8:22] <Matt_P> that is not what i thought it was...
[8:22] <SStrife> nomfet: powered by eating??? nom nom nom nom
[8:23] <Matt_P> why cant i find an example of siwtching a seperate circuit using a fet :\
[8:23] <Matt_P> all of them share a common ground
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[8:24] <SStrife> Matt_P: opto-isolate
[8:24] <SStrife> then you have an air-gap between your high voltage shananigans, and your Pi
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[8:25] <SStrife> shenanigans*
[8:26] <L33TG33KG34R> there are some power mosfets that have isolated gates via an opto-isolator built-in
[8:28] <Matt_P> ..
[8:28] <Matt_P> i am not making an ac to dc convertor
[8:28] <Matt_P> :(
[8:29] <L33TG33KG34R> lol... also those specific mosfets also have logic level gates, meaning their RDSon is at their lowest to a specific logic level voltage... you should look into these...
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[8:30] <L33TG33KG34R> what are you trying to switch?
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[8:30] <Matt_P> wii reset and shutdown buttons
[8:31] <L33TG33KG34R> oh... then thats simple...
[8:31] <Matt_P> i think they are ground based anyway
[8:31] <Matt_P> i.e. detects connection as opposed to floating
[8:33] <L33TG33KG34R> so they are active low inputs with pull ups...
[8:33] <L33TG33KG34R> then you require an N-channel mosfet
[8:33] <Matt_P> if i knew all the terminology I wouldn't be asking for simple mosfet examples haha
[8:34] <Matt_P> N-channel mosfet looks very similiar to a transitor lol
[8:35] <L33TG33KG34R> so, I am curious, why aren't you using a transistor for this? why a mosfet?
[8:36] <Matt_P> i didnt think a transitor would bridge a connection in a different circuit ?
[8:36] <L33TG33KG34R> a mosfet is a voltage controlled current source, where a transistor is a current controlled current source...
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[8:36] <Matt_P> gpio just chucks out 5v afaik
[8:36] <Matt_P> when its a 1
[8:36] <L33TG33KG34R> well if you isolate the base of the transistor with an opto-isolator then you needn't worry
[8:37] <L33TG33KG34R> not on the Pi, I believe its 3V3
[8:37] <L33TG33KG34R> heck, it could even be 1.8V
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[8:37] <Matt_P> damnit lol
[8:37] <Matt_P> contradicting interwebs!
[8:37] <Matt_P> also lol at opto-isolator :(
[8:37] <L33TG33KG34R> I don't have an oscilloscope to check with unfortunately...
[8:37] <Matt_P> now i know what that is
[8:38] <Matt_P> also wtf...
[8:38] <Matt_P> a think a multimeter would suffice lol
[8:38] <Matt_P> just leave the pin high
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[8:38] <L33TG33KG34R> oh, pff then check if you can
[8:38] <L33TG33KG34R> I don't have anything at the moment
[8:38] <Matt_P> i do not have a multimeter
[8:38] <Matt_P> haha
[8:38] <L33TG33KG34R> accept a Pi
[8:38] <Matt_P> always used my brothers but dont live with him anymore
[8:38] <L33TG33KG34R> well, to the interwebz!
[8:39] <Matt_P> need to get one to fault find why my bike isnt charging
[8:39] <Matt_P> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/384
[8:39] <Matt_P> thats confusing, its both ?
[8:40] <Matt_P> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-43484/l/raspberry-pi-gpio-expansion--low-level-peripherals
[8:40] <Matt_P> nah not both, just has its own 5v out
[8:40] <Matt_P> so ye gpio is 3v3
[8:41] <Matt_P> GPIO voltage level is 3V3 and are not 5V tolerant.
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[8:42] <L33TG33KG34R> yeah...
[8:43] <Matt_P> is composite done on a different chip than the broadcom main soc ?
[8:44] <Matt_P> it looks like it goes straight in to the soc
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[8:56] <GabrialDestruir_> You know... it'd be cool if someone could create a real life Darwinia, with actual AI >.>
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[9:59] <reider59> hi di hi campers
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[10:53] <kain88> Hi, can the raspberrypi play HD-content with 5.1 sound over HDMI?
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[10:55] <gordonDrogon> me waves 'morning.
[10:55] * gordonDrogon goofs again.
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> kain88, I understand it can, but media is not one of my strong points.
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[10:56] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not so sure about the 5.1 part
[10:57] <kain88> I've seen it playing HD movies which is already pretty nice, but to use it as a cheap multimedia PC it also should support 5.1
[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> 5.1 requires a license from dolby
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> I am of the understanding that the 5.1 part is handled by the far-end - ie. the Pi will just pass the data through the HDMI to whatever is actully decoding the audio, amplifying it and putting it to the speakers..
[10:59] <ShiftPlusOne> "I have a *lot* to say about the price Dolby demands for licences, which will be going into a blog post later on when we've finalised all the codec licences for the board. In short, the licence we have to buy for Dolby 5.1 takes up 4% of the $25 cost of the board, which seems absolutely obscene when you consider everything else that makes up the other 96%. (Hardware prices have been really manageable, and h.264, which does a hell of a
[10:59] <ShiftPlusOne> lot more, costs a hell of a lot less - the licence for 5.1 was a real stand-out in terms of price.) It's a racket, and it's particularly infuriating because we know that a lot of our audience won't find the device usable without it."
[11:00] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1110
[11:00] <SStrife> jeeze! is that for decoding dolby for playback, or just passing the bits to an external decoder??
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[11:00] <gordonDrogon> Hm. that was back in October..
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4101
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds promising
[11:01] <GabrialDestruir_> Wait... so it does or doesn't have 5.1?
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> " The audio is passed un-processed through the cable to whatever you plug it into (assuming you are using HDMI.)"
[11:01] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh right.
[11:01] <GabrialDestruir_> I've experienced that.
[11:02] <ShiftPlusOne> so... it depends on what you have it plugged into.
[11:02] <GabrialDestruir_> XBMC has passthrough modes for both AC3 and DST, if the receiving device isn't capable though you lose your sound.
[11:02] <ShiftPlusOne> well that's good.... I thought it was just not supported at all.
[11:03] <SStrife> i want an SPDIF out... my decoder doesn't have HDMI, and my TV doesn't have pass-through
[11:03] <SStrife> i dont think the GPIO is fast enough to drive an SPDIF out though...
[11:03] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe if you want it enough it will appear?
[11:03] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[11:03] <ShiftPlusOne> <.<
[11:03] <SStrife> well, i was wondering if it could be hacked on
[11:03] <SStrife> but hope looks dim
[11:04] <mjr> that's why His Noodliness invented USB
[11:04] <ShiftPlusOne> there has got to be away... might require an extra board.
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> I just have an olde tube TV ...
[11:04] <SStrife> unless I can use a USB card with spdif out
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> maybe one day I'll "upgrade", but ...
[11:04] <SStrife> hm
[11:04] <SStrife> mjr: timing :) I was just thinking that
[11:04] <mjr> SStrife, with His Noodliness and all? :)
[11:04] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
[11:05] <SStrife> something like that ;)
[11:05] <SStrife> i got a good price on my TV
[11:05] <SStrife> because it was an outgoing model
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I was actually thinking of His Noodliness when I wrote "maybe if you want it enough it will appear?"
[11:05] <SStrife> but that of course meant no HDMI -> Optical passthru
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> was going to write 'if you pray enough', but didn't want to make a jab at religion.
[11:06] <SStrife> if I had a TV with that functionality, so many problems would just disappear
[11:06] * gordonDrogon just looked at SPDIF out of curiosity...
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> so it's essentially 2 x 48Kb/sec digital data streams.
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[11:06] <kain88> also could you recommend me a sd-card for the pi?
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[11:07] <ShiftPlusOne> and what sort of transfer rate can you get on a single gpio pin?
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> possibly do-able over GPIO, but it would be a very carefully crafted kernel driver to do it and probably needing a lot of cpu to manage it by effectively bit-banging...
[11:07] <ShiftPlusOne> kain88, http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> 4.5MHz is possible in a C program...
[11:07] <mjr> gordonDrogon, yeah so not sanely
[11:07] <SStrife> gordonDrogon: that's what I thought.
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> however you then have Linux (de) schedulling issues.
[11:07] <SStrife> USB sound card it is then
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[11:08] <kain88> ShiftPlusOne: thanks
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> if you could arrange at 48KHz interrupt source...
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> but even on a 700MHz processor that's going to add on a lot of overhead..
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[11:12] <ShiftPlusOne> how much is a lot?
[11:13] <ShiftPlusOne> like 5% extra cpu usage or like 90%?
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> I really don't know. Only guessing.
[11:15] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
[11:15] <Matt_P> does anyone know if the rca port can be used as an input as well?
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> If you could get the ARM to vector directly to your interrupt code, bypassing any Linux overhead, then your code is simple reading a buffer, and toggling a bit on/off, then potentially it could be low.
[11:16] <Matt_P> i cant find anything abou the dac ;\
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> Matt_P, no.
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[11:22] <gordonDrogon> Matt_P, actually... I don't know. For some reason I thought the DAC output went via a buffer which would make it one way, but re-checking the circuit diagram, it's not, however I'd be mightilly surprised if the DAC could be re-programmed for input.
[11:23] <Matt_P> itd make me exceptionally happy haha
[11:23] <Matt_P> its a useless port to me as it is
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> I use it ...
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> back inna bit. need to help my wife load up her car in the pouring rain...
[11:24] <Matt_P> I use hdmi.
[11:24] <Matt_P> no real need for a second video OUT
[11:24] <Matt_P> but if I could use it for video in.. that would be a different story
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[11:28] <Trickierstinky> hey guys
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[11:33] <gordonDrogon> Matt_P, there is the camera port ... but I guess that's all digital..
[11:34] <Matt_P> was hoping to get video feed from wii
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[11:34] <Matt_P> thats what my rpi is for, usb to usb gecko, gpio to switch on/off
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> even if you can, is there enough proccessing power in the Pi to do anything with it?
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> given that direct access to the GPU is highly unlikely to happen..
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[11:38] <djazz> yes! connected my raspi to my lego NXT device!
[11:39] <djazz> reading sensor values :)
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[11:40] <Matt_P> bt?
[11:40] <djazz> usb
[11:40] <Matt_P> then ir?
[11:40] <djazz> ehm?
[11:40] <Matt_P> ive got mindstorms but not nxt
[11:41] <Matt_P> so not sure what communication was
[11:41] <djazz> on RCX its IR
[11:41] <djazz> here its BT/USB
[11:41] <Matt_P> yep
[11:41] <reider59> I want one of those robotic arms to add to the RPi
[11:41] <djazz> I'll build the most awesome robot featuring RPi :)
[11:41] <djazz> of legos
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[11:42] <reider59> its my birthday this month, might treat myself lol
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[11:43] <gordonDrogon> I have the original RCX kit.. with the serial IR tower...
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> 6 x AA's in the RCX, then probably anothe 6 to power the Pi :)
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[11:44] <gordonDrogon> one heavy robot :)
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[11:45] <gordonDrogon> it would probably be better t build some motor drivers for the Pi
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[11:45] <djazz> gordonDrogon: Rpi only need 4 AA, the FAQ says
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[11:46] <djazz> "Yes. The device should run well off 4 x AA cells."
[11:46] <Domin> hmm strange on first boot my raspi detects my asus wl-167g usb key fine but on second boot it gives device descriptor read/l6 error -110
[11:46] <Domin> aos
[11:46] <Domin> anyone got any help on that ?
[11:46] <rm> not enough power?
[11:46] <Domin> that is on the debian
[11:46] <gmjhowe> Heh
[11:46] <Domin> its on an 2A powerede usb hub
[11:47] <gmjhowe> 'Not enough power?' is the go to question for any issue on the Pi.
[11:47] <jaakkos> Domin: did you connect the dongle to pi's usb or via hub?
[11:47] <Domin> its connectede via usb hub
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[11:48] <gordonDrogon> djazz, Doh. Yes. Why was I thinking that AA's are 1 volt and not 1.5!
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> djazz, the RCX has 6 - 9V for the motors I guess.
[11:49] <djazz> gordonDrogon: :), i have a batterycharger that takes 4 AA/AAA and have USB output, but i think the ampere is too low
[11:49] <djazz> to power the rpi
[11:50] <Trickierstinky> gordonDragon : I'm going to try and hook up my lcd to pi today, did you say you had some tutorial for GPIO interfacing?
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> Trickierstinky, not a tutorial as such, (not had time to write that), just some C libraries to drive it (from C)
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> Trickierstinky, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[11:52] <Trickierstinky> cool thanks
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> my idea was to emulate Arudino type functions.
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[11:53] <kain88> Domin: Try to connect the dongle directly to the pi. Hubs often need a seperated power supply
[11:53] <Domin> the hub got a seperate 2A power supply
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[11:53] <tero_> Hi everyone. I got my pi. does it work with a 700ma power supply?
[11:54] <Trickierstinky> oh that would be brilliant
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> tero_: If the supply is 5V, and is actually 700mA - yes
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> (or more)
[11:54] <tero_> it is from my phone and the label says 700mA
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> tero_, it should work, but it may be marginal.
[11:55] <tero_> hmmm
[11:55] <mjr> putting in even low-power usb devices such as keyboards will probably fail
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> I've powering 2 Pi's with (separate) 700mA PSUs (Jawbone chargers) and they're fine, but they have no USB devices plugged into them.
[11:55] <mjr> (unless with a powered hub etc)
[11:55] <tero_> it also says 5.1V ?!? is this okay*?
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[11:56] <gordonDrogon> Actually one has a keyboard - minature type.
[11:56] <Domin> my setup is like this, pi is powerede with a 1A supply and the usb key is powerede from an usb hub with a 2A powersupply connectede to it
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[11:56] <tero_> so what is the suggested os ?
[11:57] <SStrife> i keep seeing "powerade"
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> tero_: linux
[11:57] <tero_> hehe
[11:57] <SStrife> quenches your Pi's thirst for energy
[11:57] <tero_> i mean the debian from pi website?
[11:57] <tero_> or something else?
[11:58] <mjr> PowerThirst!
[11:59] <gmjhowe> The best two options I have found is the Debian Squeeze, and Raspbmc
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[12:03] <gordonDrogon> tero_, I'd start with the Debian from the Pi website.
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[12:30] <Domin> http://pastebin.com/CStqWXfQ <-- dont that look ok ?
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[12:30] <Domin> ifconfig show wlan0
[12:30] <Domin> but if i do iwlist scan it will just hang
[12:33] <frankivo> I used ndiswrapper for rt devices few years back
[12:33] <frankivo> open driver sucked back then
[12:33] <frankivo> not sure about current status
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[12:34] <SpeedEvil> ndiswrapper will not, of course work on ARM.
[12:34] <Domin> hmm perhaps i will have better luck with the buffalo device
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea either. I may have been lucky with the wifi adapeters I've used...
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> My 2 laptops have ath5k and broadcom chips.
[12:34] <SpeedEvil> Anyone suggesting Qemu+ndisweapper, please line up on the right, one cross each.
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[12:34] <Domin> its a WLI-U2-KG54L
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> the ath5k is supported natively, the broadcom has binary blobs, but works just fine.
[12:34] <frankivo> SpeedEvil: just saying that those devices can be a pain :P
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[12:35] <frankivo> anyway
[12:35] <frankivo> < lunch
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> http://www.osscsc.gov.uk/judgmentfiles/j3364/CE%201217%202011-00.doc
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> argh
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> I'm thinking that if I ever put a Pi on my TV, I'll use a separate Wi-Fi client bridge device and connect ethernet into the Pi.
[12:36] <tero_> ok pi works with a usb ps/2 converter :)
[12:36] <tero_> umm
[12:36] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm trying to use the GPIO pins on my raspberry pi, using quick2wire python-api and gpio-admin. However, when I hook up pins to an LED and resistor, and then set the pin to "1", I get a kernel panic: http://pastebin.com/tPe4aH5j
[12:36] <Lunar_Lamp> Suggestions?
[12:36] <tero_> how can i change keyboard layout?
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lamp: Does this happen when there is no LED and resistor?
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[12:36] <khildin> hi all.... anyone here that has been able to run Sugar on rpi?
[12:36] <Lunar_Lamp> SpeedEvil: it didn't yesterday, but I'll just run through it again and make sure that I'm not be stupid.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> Lunar_Lamp, you might also want to try my wiringPi library - there is a handy command-line program for playing with the GPIO.
[12:37] <Lunar_Lamp> gordonDrogon: oh, link please?
[12:37] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm in no way tied to my current methods.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[12:37] <dmsuse> python, wiring library
[12:37] <dmsuse> whats so wrong with bash script sheesh
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> khildin, surgar crm? It's a bit LAMP application - it'll work as a server ... slowly ...
[12:38] <khildin> no... sugar from the olpc project....
[12:38] <Lunar_Lamp> dmsuse: that's what I'd probably do myself, but I may well be wrapping this in a larger python app anyway, so, meh, we'll see :-)
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[12:38] <gordonDrogon> khildin, ok - no idea then (whatever is is!)
[12:38] <Lunar_Lamp> (at the moment I just want to make an LED flash and giggle like a 7yo)
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> Lunar_Lamp, excellent - do it in a shell script :)
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> right. really much shower & shave. back in 15.
[12:39] <Lunar_Lamp> gordonDrogon: how do I do that?
[12:39] <khildin> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/The_OLPC_Wiki
[12:39] <dmsuse> Lunar_Lamp: u did set it to out the pins?
[12:39] <Lunar_Lamp> I did exactly this, but with gpio4: https://github.com/quick2wire/quick2wire-gpio-admin (Getting Started section).
[12:39] <dmsuse> export it, change direction to out echo 1
[12:39] <khildin> it's a fedora remix for the olpc project... runs on ARM...
[12:40] <Lunar_Lamp> dmsuse: yup!
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[12:41] <dmsuse> im clueless P
[12:41] <tero_> hey guys how can I change the keyboard layout on debian ?
[12:42] <Domin> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Re-mapping_the_keyboard_with_Debian_Squeeze
[12:42] <Lunar_Lamp> dmsuse: I'm a little confused by the talk of "pins are referenced by SOC etc etc". Is there a table showing the mappings?
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[12:46] <Lunar_Lamp> (also, gordonDrogon, it does not crash when I have nothing hooked up to the gpio pins)
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> What value is your resistor Lunar_Lamp?
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> Also what colour of LED
[12:47] * Lunar_Lamp grumbles while he works out the resistor value
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> colours are fine too
[12:48] <Lunar_Lamp> orange, orange, brown, gold.
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> 330 ohms, 5%
[12:48] <Lunar_Lamp> So 330 5%
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> That should be OK
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> Odd
[12:48] <Lunar_Lamp> As for the colour of the LED, I'm actually not sure - I just fished it out of an assorted mix, but red or blue.
[12:48] <Lunar_Lamp> SpeedEvil: oh, I'm completely open to this being *my* error.
[12:48] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm just not quite sure what I might be doing wrong.
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[12:51] <phoque> oh no, the kernel in the Debian image isn't compiled with the nwhwconf parameter enabled
[12:52] <dmsuse> Lunar_Lamp: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[12:52] <phoque> I don't want to compile the kernel myself :-/
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[12:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: any plans to add "pulseIn" to wiringPi?
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[13:14] <Lunar_Lamp> Heh, I removed my breadboard from teh equation, and thigns started working properly.
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> Breadboards are evil.
[13:15] <dmsuse> lol how can a breadboard cause that?
[13:15] <gmjhowe> Only the electronics ones.
[13:15] <dmsuse> unless u wired it wrong :P
[13:16] <Lunar_Lamp> Oh, the kernel panic was caused by me being an idiot I think (connecting wrong pins), but even once I was using the right ones, things didn't start working.
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[13:18] <Lunar_Lamp> Rewired things and it now works \o/
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, pulseIn needs accurate timing - something that's hard to do on a multi-tasking OS. However Simon- has some patches to the GPIO to allow interrupts which may help there.
[13:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ooo, interrupts!
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[13:20] <gordonDrogon> Lunar_Lamp, glad your sorted, however I'm somewhat surprised that the wrong pin on the GPIO can cause a kernel panic..
[13:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I'm trying to hack in a pulseIn function using wall-clock microseconds, it'll probably fail hard for successfully decoding IR pulses
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, it will work - some of the time, but Linux will pre-empt your process and you'll possibly lose counts.
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, however if you using wall-clock then you can set a counter to be the value you next expect and if when you read the clock it's more then you've "lost" time.
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, also check just how long gettimeofday() takes!
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, (assuming that's what you're using)
[13:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: arrhh, good point!
[13:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> we're going quantum uncertainty again, it takes time to time things!
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> :-)
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[13:26] <gordonDrogon> brb coffe & toast time. I'm running late today by about 1.5 hours )-: Ah well, it is a bank holiday!
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[13:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> wow, is that the time!
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[13:46] <techman2> ugh.
[13:46] <techman2> the invoice for my pi showed up in the post.
[13:47] <techman2> no pi though.
[13:47] <dmsuse> lawl
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> I got the Farnell invoice a few days after the Pi was delivered.
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> The RS one was in the box.
[13:47] <techman2> it's been a week since it was posted.
[13:47] <techman2> seriously hoping Aus post haven't lost it.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> in the UK they post via the cheapest letter post possible.
[13:48] <techman2> that's what they do here too.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> mine took 4 days to arrive.
[13:48] <techman2> regular aus post parcel post.
[13:49] <techman2> if they manage to deliver the invoice but lose the pi I will not be impressed.
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[13:49] <Habbie> i still haven't paid for my farnell pi
[13:49] <techman2> no way to track it either.
[13:49] <Habbie> been here for a few weeks now
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[13:51] <gmjhowe> mine from RS was sent via parcel force 24 hour.
[13:52] <gmjhowe> in the UK
[13:52] <gmjhowe> arrived the next day after they had said it was shipped, at about 9 in the morning.
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> tracking costs money and I suspect the margins for RS & Farnell are realyl tight ...
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[13:54] <techman2> today was the fourth business day (not counting the day it was posted)
[13:54] <gmjhowe> gordonDrogon: I did not pay any extra for a faster service.
[13:55] <gmjhowe> I tracked mine all the way too
[13:57] <techman2> I suppose it depends on the different freight contracts they have in place
[13:58] <gmjhowe> Yeah
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> gmjhowe, ah yes. RS use parcelforse, Farnell just use royal mail..
[13:58] <gmjhowe> Aha I se
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> and mine cost slightly more via Farnell too..
[13:59] <gmjhowe> The box the RS one came via seems a bit nicer too
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> yea, nice padding.
[13:59] <gmjhowe> Makes up for their site crapping out on release day.
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> (I have 2 from RS, one from farnell)
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[14:01] <techman2> hmm aus post reckons 4-5 business days for postage to here
[14:01] <techman2> so maybe not all hope is lost yet
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> give it time.. maybe they're having the UK bank holdiay too :)
[14:01] <techman2> monday was a holiday here
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:02] <techman2> so I can probably expect it tomorrow
[14:02] <techman2> I would not have had much chance to play with it tonight anyway
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> Monday was our "normal" May bank holdiay which had been put back by a week for the Jubilee, then we got an extra 2nd day too.
[14:02] <techman2> I am exhausted after another 12hr day
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> 12?
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> try being self-employed...
[14:03] <techman2> I was.
[14:03] <techman2> gave it up
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> wish I could..
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> but sometimes I don't. Actually I really don't.
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[14:04] <gordonDrogon> but I wish I could jsut dump one part of my business that's not worked out quite the way I wanted it to.
[14:04] <Matt_P> why cant you
[14:04] <Matt_P> ..
[14:04] <techman2> I still miss being able to do things the way I wanted.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> it's a VoIP telephony service.
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[14:05] <gordonDrogon> it's really hard to tell customers who rely on you to go elsewhere for VoIP...
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[14:05] <Matt_P> find them elsewhere first
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> that's a possibility.
[14:05] <Matt_P> an make a deal with tht someone else
[14:06] <Matt_P> to take your customers
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> it'll still take time and energy.
[14:06] <Matt_P> whats it costing you atm ?
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> actually my own customers are fine - the model I tried to build up was one of working via resellers. it's the resellers that have proven to be the biggest burden.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> it makes money - just costs me time.
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[14:10] <Matt_P> put a dollar figure on your time
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[14:10] <Matt_P> is it still making money ?
[14:10] <Matt_P> if so.. hire someone for half the price
[14:10] * Crenn-NAS ponders how to fix the MySQL problem :/
[14:10] <Matt_P> use postgrs? (trololol)
[14:10] <dmsuse> your running mysql on a pi :O?
[14:11] <nid0> mysql runs fine on the pi
[14:11] <dmsuse> its bloatware
[14:11] <dmsuse> use sqlite
[14:11] <Matt_P> ye fast sd cards are better than hdd's!
[14:11] <Matt_P> until they die.
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> Matt_P, that was the issue - my plans were to take on someone, however the issues I had with supporting the resellers meant I didn't have time to do more development on it and get enough resellers to make it afforable to employ someone.
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> it makes money for me, but not for me+1
[14:11] <Matt_P> catch 22
[14:11] <Matt_P> nice
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> Well... the original business plan didn't take into account just how thick the resellers would be.
[14:12] <Matt_P> code it to work without any admin needed! :D
[14:12] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, got any children?
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> it's not the code - it's the support - VoIp is very demanding on Itnernet connection, routers, LAN setup and so on.
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, no.
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, just me and wifey!
[14:13] <Matt_P> he has a wife tho, so he is already lost to the world!
[14:13] <ReggieUK> shame, you could've started to train them up to do the telephony
[14:13] <Matt_P> haha
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> nah, I'd had trained them up to avoid it :)
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[14:13] <ReggieUK> no I don't mean in a slave kind of way
[14:13] <Matt_P> sure..
[14:13] <ReggieUK> but whilst they're younger they'll take a lower wage, they'll hopefully have the enthusiasm and time to push forward and allow you to do other things
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> I'm slowly sanitising things. Manged to dump most of the rubbish resellers last year, now concentrating on amalgamating the others.
[14:14] <Matt_P> back in my day we had to manage over 9000 voip connections in one day whilst it was snowing!
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> so I now have one big reseller and 3-4 smaller ones - and the big reseller now has a stand-alone platform of their own - which from my point of view is mostly just a hosting issue.
[14:14] <Matt_P> all for a nickle tht we could spend at the shops at the end of the week
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> cue 4 yorkshiremen :)
[14:15] <Matt_P> :D
[14:15] <ReggieUK> in my day we had to get up 3 hours before we woke up just to get drinking water from a puddle
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> (oh just fyi - my wife is not a geek - she's not involved in the business at all - she has her own one to deal with!)
[14:16] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, it wouldn't matter if she was a geek :)
[14:16] <Matt_P> "We'd wake up at 6:00 in the evening 5 hours before we had gone to bed"
[14:17] * gordonDrogon fastwinds on to "kids of today - wouldn't believe a word of it" ...
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[14:17] <Matt> and now for a man with a taperecorder up his nose
[14:18] <Lunar_Lamp> Will these fit the GPIO headers on a rpi? http://www.maplin.co.uk/0.1-series-socket-housing-1490
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> Mmmmm?
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> Lunar_Lamp, yea, that's standard 0.1" 'molex' stuff.
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[14:21] <Lunar_Lamp> gordonDrogon: I thought so, but I'm not really a hardware guy, so wanted to be sure.
[14:21] <ReggieUK> it's not standard molex stuff as such
[14:21] <Lunar_Lamp> (I rarely go near Maplin, but will be walking past it today)
[14:21] <ReggieUK> it's 0.1" spacing
[14:21] <ReggieUK> but if you look at the back of those sockets, they're latched
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> Lunar_Lamp, get a proper crimp tool if you can and remember to crimp bare wire and the 2nd crimp goes over the insulation. crimp, don't solder.
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[14:22] <ReggieUK> try and use 2 of those to do both rows of gpio and get them the wrong way round and they won't fit
[14:22] <Lunar_Lamp> gordonDrogon: I'm hoping to use it with stiff wire (e.g. LED legs) for temporary testing etc.
[14:22] <Lunar_Lamp> ReggieUK: heh, yeah, I spotted that already!
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> that could work to your advantage though.
[14:22] <Lunar_Lamp> gordonDrogon: stops accidental "wrong way round"-itis?
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> Lunar_Lamp, well you'll need some pins to crimp the LEDs and resistors onto, but it's a bit fiddly for quick testing.
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[14:23] <ReggieUK> probably better off getting a breadboard and some female to male jumper cables/female to female jumper cables
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> Lunar_Lamp, I'd really suggest a breadboard and jumper wires.
[14:23] <ReggieUK> ha
[14:23] <Lunar_Lamp> gordonDrogon: yes, but I have to connect the breadboard to the gpio pins.
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> that's got all you need.
[14:23] <ReggieUK> or you can specifically look for 2x10pin cables on ebay
[14:23] <ReggieUK> erm, 2x13pin I mean
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> cut-down floppy drive cable :)
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[14:24] <Lunar_Lamp> I've already got all of that, except for the female-ended link cables.
[14:24] <gmjhowe> Yeah floppy cable will do the job.
[14:24] <ReggieUK> that too but it gets messy if you're not good at soldering
[14:25] <Lunar_Lamp> The "problem" I'm trying to solve is that I want to keep wires attached to the rpi while playing around.
[14:25] <Lunar_Lamp> And I'd like to do so today if possible - i.e. pick something up from the shops while I'm in town.
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[14:25] <gmjhowe> Also, floppy cable is not colour coded
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> I originally soldered and heatshrunk pins onto a floppy cable. very fiddly but it got me off to a start.
[14:26] <gmjhowe> Have you got any standard jump cables laying around?
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> Lunar_Lamp, in which case, I'd get a breadboard and some standard male/male jumper cables and cut one end off and crimp them into pins for that header shell..
[14:26] <gmjhowe> ^
[14:26] <gmjhowe> that
[14:26] <Lunar_Lamp> gmjhowe: not that I can see.
[14:27] <ReggieUK> do you have any old computers knocking about Lunar_Lamp?
[14:27] <Lunar_Lamp> (maybe if I dig around in "old computer parts" long enough I could find something suitable)
[14:27] <ReggieUK> or any mates with old pcs etc.
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> just try to not short the +5v to the +3.3v although either to ground will be fine (for a few seconds :)
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[14:27] <gmjhowe> Watch out for some cables that have a twist/swap at one end
[14:28] <ReggieUK> so, if you're going to look at old PCs then the place to look is the somewhere on the bottom right corner of the motherboard
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[14:28] <ReggieUK> there should be a bunch of female connectors for hdd leds, power switch, reset switch etc.
[14:28] <Lunar_Lamp> ReggieUK: yeah, I've just found a few old fans that I can use.
[14:29] <ReggieUK> you can also look for cables going from optical drives to the motherboard/soundcard (if the pc is old enough)
[14:29] <ReggieUK> if you look around the front bezel of the pc case you will also find some tactile switches
[14:29] <ReggieUK> and some leds
[14:29] <ReggieUK> you might find a piezo buzzer that could be useful too
[14:30] <gmjhowe> Any ribbon cable will do, you can always hand it off one end of the pi.
[14:30] <Lunar_Lamp> I've just raided the parts bin and found at least the minimal stuff I need, so that'll keep me sorted there.
[14:30] <gmjhowe> Open up the other end, and strip the cables back a bit seperate, and off you go.
[14:30] <ReggieUK> if you follow the power and reset switches cables back, you can recover the whole switch and cable in one piece
[14:30] <Lunar_Lamp> If I find a ribbon cable of course... :-D
[14:31] <ReggieUK> do you have resistors?
[14:31] <Lunar_Lamp> ReggieUK: aye, loads of them.
[14:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> Lunar_Lamp: to get started with the GPIO, I bought a box of jump leads and some computer jumpers, and just jammed the two together
[14:31] <ReggieUK> cool beans
[14:31] <gmjhowe> I have like ten ribbon cables, yet not a single computer that uses them.
[14:31] <gmjhowe> Except maybe the 1984 mac and the Amiga 1200
[14:32] <ReggieUK> Lunar_Lamp
[14:32] <ReggieUK> http://www.maplin.co.uk/components/pcb-development/breadboards
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[14:32] <ReggieUK> AD-102 would be useful
[14:33] <Lunar_Lamp> ding ding ding ding ding! Just found a floppy cable \o/
[14:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm already looking at something bigger than AD-102, size matters :D
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[14:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I've finished my shoddy pulseIn function and wrapped it up for Ruby... now I've got to actually generate some input :D
[14:34] <ReggieUK> Gadgetoid_Air, sure, I was really recommending it because it's cheap and it's got the power rail on both sides :)
[14:34] <ReggieUK> and lastly
[14:35] <ReggieUK> grab some of this:
[14:35] <ReggieUK> http://www.maplin.co.uk/solid-core-wire-1-0.6-6187
[14:35] <ReggieUK> red and black for starters :D
[14:35] <gmjhowe> congrats Lunar_Lamp
[14:35] <ReggieUK> always running out
[14:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> I got the jump wire kit from maplin, because lazy! I'll probably not use half of the wires though, they're a complete random mess and cutting your own solid core is probably much tidier
[14:35] * gmjhowe doubt I will even use the GPIO
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[14:36] <ReggieUK> Gadgetoid_Air, it's quite so much tidier as just more convenient :)
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[14:36] <ReggieUK> it's not quite so much tidier I meant to say
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[14:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> ReggieUK: thinking back to the first random confusing mess I cobbled together with the jump wire kit, I couldn't agree more
[14:38] <ReggieUK> really breadboards and jumper wires are ok for simple stuff
[14:38] <ReggieUK> but sometimes they can cause more issues than they solve
[14:39] <ReggieUK> Lunar_Lamp, have you got yourself a pack of capacitors yet?
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[14:40] <ReggieUK> maplin really isn't that cost effective for stuff
[14:41] <plugwash> yeah but if you are in a hurry there isn't much other choice since tandy died many years ago
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[14:42] <plugwash> IIRC RS trade counters don't like to deal with individuals (at least that is what i've heard, haven't tried myself) and travelling to leeds to go to Farnells's trade counter would cost more than just buying the stuff in maplin
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[14:42] <ReggieUK> but you'd get exactly what you wanted at farnell
[14:43] <ReggieUK> not arguing though, maplin is great if you need something in a hurry or a one off
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[14:45] <gordonDrogon> when I wur a lad breadboards seemes very expensive - we all lusted after them... veroboard and solder was cheaper.
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> it's easy to deal with trade counters - just be a sole trader (which I am)
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> although my business is also VAT registered which makes it easier.
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[14:47] <gordonDrogon> my nearest maplin is 30 miles away.
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> I think.
[14:47] <ReggieUK> I saw a real breadboard from teh 1930s a few years back
[14:47] <ReggieUK> it really was a board
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> ah, slightly closer. 20 miles to exeter, 18 to plymouth.
[14:47] <ReggieUK> with hoop nails nailed into it
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> :)
[14:48] <ReggieUK> it was used to test theatre pipe organ instruments
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> I was taught to solder by a ferranti training instructor - he had me nail 100 pins into a board then solder a wire to each pin...
[14:49] <ReggieUK> just run a crocodile clip with a wire screwed to teh board and off to gnd down the nails and listen to all the notes being played
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[14:49] <gordonDrogon> that was quite a number of years ago now... before ferraniti went bust )-:
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, sounds like a practical way to do it..
[14:49] <ReggieUK> oh indeed it was
[14:50] <ReggieUK> no fiddling around trying to get fingers past wires to get into a tiny hole
[14:50] <ReggieUK> you could do it with a big screwdriver :D
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> exetermapin might have easier parking, but each way costs me more in petrol than to order stuff.
[14:51] <ReggieUK> maplin just causes me mental anguish every time i use it
[14:51] <ReggieUK> so I'd rather ebay for stuff
[14:51] <ReggieUK> I check their site for stock levels
[14:51] <ReggieUK> even phone them sometimes to make sure it actually exists in their building
[14:52] <ReggieUK> get there and it's not in stock
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> that sucks.
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[14:52] <ReggieUK> I've had that happen quite a few times
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[14:53] <gordonDrogon> surprised they still stock hobby electronics stuff - thought they were moving more into consumer stuff though.
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> however they were fantastic 25+ years ago when they started as only RS and Farnell existed and getting stuff from them as a hobbyist was impossible.
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> or looking through the small-ads in the back of practical electronics/elektor, etc.
[14:54] <ReggieUK> 25+ years ago though you used to have the specialist electronics shops
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> I was living in edinburgh back then and we had one shop: Browns Electrical. Very old fashioned even then, but you could go in and buy a single transistor...
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[14:55] <ReggieUK> oooh
[14:55] <ReggieUK> I wonder if they're still going
[14:55] <ReggieUK> radio ham rallys
[14:56] <ReggieUK> you'd get bundles of electronics there
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> Browns Wireless. They shut down a long time ago. I suspect the old man died and that was that.
[14:57] <IT_Sean> Yeah, but it meant having to talk to ham radio enthusiasts
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> He used to smoke big cigars in the shop from what I recall..
[14:57] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, only if you want to
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> I never got into the radio stuff - not for lack of trying, but ...
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> I did have an illegal CB radio confiscated once though :)
[14:58] <IT_Sean> How? And what made it illegal?
[14:58] <ReggieUK> him not having a license
[14:58] <ReggieUK> and it being cb
[14:58] <IT_Sean> You need a license for a CB radio?
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> no - it was analogue 27MHz. They were illegal in the UK (still are)
[14:58] <IT_Sean> OOOoooohhhh!
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> er, AM 27MHz.
[14:58] <IT_Sean> kidneys
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> they legalised the FM bands a year later...
[14:59] <ReggieUK> you need a license for ham radio in the uk
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[14:59] <IT_Sean> You need a license for a ham radio in the states as well, but not for a CB.
[14:59] <IT_Sean> ... or something.
[14:59] <IT_Sean> I dunno. I never really got into that 'scene'
[15:00] <IT_Sean> (although i did have a CB in my old Ford)
[15:00] <ReggieUK> I'm not sure what the state of things wrt cb is over here
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[15:01] <Trickierstinky> do you think I would be able to use the raspberry pi a google music box? I.E build it to look like a internet radio?
[15:01] <ReggieUK> I know that frequency usage is is properly controlled though
[15:01] <ReggieUK> even using FM transmitters for mp3 players was frowned upon until a few years back
[15:01] <ReggieUK> Trickierstinky, probably
[15:02] <IT_Sean> Trickierstinky: with the right soffware, i suppose you could. You'd need to build some supporting electronics for any knobs, buttons, displays, etc... though.
[15:02] <gmjhowe> Trickierstinky: Would be nice to fit it in a broken vintage radio case.
[15:02] <ReggieUK> gmjhowe, I've got one downstairs
[15:02] <ReggieUK> old brown bakolite thing
[15:03] <gmjhowe> Nice
[15:03] <ReggieUK> always thought about doing something with it, never got round to it
[15:03] <Trickierstinky> yeah I was thinking something like that I have a LCD wired up and displaying now just need to think of controls for it
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[15:03] <gmjhowe> Would make a good case for using it as a computer as well
[15:04] <Trickierstinky> whats the quality like from the audio jack? acceptable? or am i best looking for other solutions?
[15:04] <IT_Sean> it's 'meh'
[15:04] <IT_Sean> by all reports
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[15:05] <IT_Sean> Although, using a less than optimal quality output might lend it that 'old radio' sound. :p
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[15:05] <Draylor> lol
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[15:05] <gmjhowe> Depends how good a speaker you use too.
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[15:07] <ReggieUK> rubbish in rubbish out
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[15:07] <ReggieUK> doesn't mean to say the audio on the jack won't get better though does it?
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> Trickierstinky, it's acceptable - for playing Doom.
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[15:09] <Trickierstinky> lol so not very good for todays music? would usb audio be any better or is something today with firmware
[15:10] <Trickierstinky> sorry or is it something in the firmware
[15:10] <ReggieUK> it's bascially, the audio jack is being fed by pwm pins rather than a dedicated IC
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> it's probably OK. Basically it's not a proper sound device, but PWM output.
[15:10] <IT_Sean> the audio hardware for the analog jack is, by it's nature, going ot produce less than optimal audio
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> Gert reckons it's about the same as an 11-bit sound card.
[15:10] <IT_Sean> So, you can bugger with the firmware all you like, it's never going ot get better
[15:11] <ReggieUK> although if things improve with the gpio handling, then the audio might improve along with it?
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, I doubt it - it's still PWM..
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[15:11] <IT_Sean> Yeah, it's really never going ot get better without a hardware change
[15:11] <ReggieUK> my other thought was to actually have a pop at interfacing to the i2s pins on the board
[15:11] <ReggieUK> with a real codec chip
[15:12] <ReggieUK> cirrus logic do plenty
[15:12] <ReggieUK> there are plenty of i2s based chips that already have drivers in linux
[15:13] <ReggieUK> and there's always bluetooth
[15:13] <ReggieUK> I think you can get a bluetooth speaker dongle for about ??13 on ebay these days
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[15:15] <Trickierstinky> ok think may use the jack just for now
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[15:17] <Adya> Hi everybody!
[15:17] <IT_Sean> Hi Dr. Nick!
[15:18] <frankivo> :D
[15:18] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:18] <phoque> has anybody tried fiddling with the MACadress of their raspi?
[15:18] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[15:20] <Crenn-NAS> dmsuse: If I have an existing SQL database on a MySQL server, is it possible to bring it over to sqlite?
[15:21] <Adya> ;P
[15:21] <plugwash> you could try dumping it and importing it but i'd expect you will have to mess with the dump a bit to get it to import
[15:21] <plugwash> i'm not a SQL expert though
[15:21] <frankivo> phoque: that sounds sexier than it should
[15:21] <Crenn-NAS> plugwash: Neither am I!
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[15:22] <Adya> Frankivo, yeah:)
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[15:24] <Matt> it'll depend a lot on your DB
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[15:24] <Adya> Sure, depends at all
[15:25] <ratherDashing> quick question, anyone get pianobar to work (which I means you got alsa to work)
[15:25] <Crenn-NAS> Matt: Say a Joomla website?
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[15:25] <Adya> Have you setted up them rather dashing?
[15:26] <Adya> I mean alas drivers
[15:26] <ratherDashing> i installed alsa base
[15:26] <Adya> *alsa
[15:26] <Adya> Ok, should work
[15:26] <dmsuse> xport the database in an ASCII compatible format. (functionnality available in phpMyAdmin 2.6.1)
[15:26] <dmsuse> Import to SQLite with command line : sqlite3 mySQLiteDataBase < dumpMySQL
[15:26] <Matt> Crenn-NAS: you're gonna have issues :)
[15:27] <dmsuse> simple as dat :P
[15:27] <ratherDashing> Adya: nope doesn't work
[15:27] <Adya> But there alsa in alpha quality, so, better wait beta at start. In next de Ian may be
[15:28] <Adya> Stupid iPad:(
[15:28] <dmsuse> Crenn-NAS: aint tried it though :P
[15:28] <ratherDashing> |> "Iron Sharpening Iron" by "Culture" on "Harder Than The Rest" ALSA lib pcm.c:2217:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.front
[15:28] <Adya> changed debian into de Ian))))))
[15:28] <ratherDashing> thats the message i get
[15:28] <ratherDashing> and no audio
[15:29] <Adya> other geeks may help
[15:29] <Adya> I don't know:(
[15:29] <ratherDashing> haha nor do I
[15:29] <Adya> I had no issues with sound on the raspberry pi
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[15:29] <ratherDashing> just installed alsa-base and modprobed the driver?
[15:29] <Adya> Cause I don't need it)))))
[15:30] <Adya> Yeah
[15:30] <Adya> Did so
[15:30] <Adya> It plays mp3
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[15:30] <Adya> And I don't need anything more)))))
[15:30] <ratherDashing> pianobar is good for people in the US
[15:30] <ratherDashing> it's like a radio station of your favorite music
[15:31] <Crenn-NAS> dmsuse: Looking at PostgreSQL currently
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[15:33] <Adya> Rather dashing, that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_bar. .
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[15:33] <Adya> ?
[15:34] <Adya> Ok?
[15:34] <ratherDashing> http://6xq.net/projects/pianobar/
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[15:35] <Adya> I live in the Ukraine;)
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[15:36] <ratherDashing> yep, its just good for us US people
[15:36] <Adya> It works, but no sound?
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[15:36] <Adya> Here is info, there's proxy for other countries
[15:37] <blkhawk> ratherDashing: its good for people with a vpn
[15:38] <Adya> Ok, I have to go)) maybe other help)) who asks, gets answer))
[15:38] <Adya> Bye bye))
[15:38] <Adya> I'll be here in the evening!!
[15:38] <Adya> I love my pi
[15:38] <blkhawk> bye))
[15:38] <blkhawk> :)
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[15:39] <blkhawk> it loves you too
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[15:41] <Crenn-NAS> blkhawk: No it doesn't
[15:41] <blkhawk> Crenn-NAS: don't blame others when your pi doesn't love you - blame yourself
[15:41] <blkhawk> :D
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[15:48] <normod> Hey I just unboxed my Raspberry Pi
[15:48] <normod> what does the sticker on the back tell me? V1.0B1.1
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> normod, who cares - just plug it in :)
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> but that's the same as the sticker on one of mine, so go for it..
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> it's an RS one, isn't it?
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[15:49] <normod> ye
[15:49] <normod> s
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[15:49] <gordonDrogon> plug it in & go :)
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> brb
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[15:50] <frankivo> normod: bastard
[15:50] <frankivo> :P
[15:50] <[SLB]> lol
[15:50] <reider59> hey come on, theirs kids on here
[15:50] <Crenn-NAS> blkhawk: I blame the RPi Foundation for releasing this popular hardware ;D
[15:51] <frankivo> reider59: sorry
[15:51] <normod> it's hard to tell the size of it from pictures
[15:51] <reider59> okies
[15:51] <Crenn-NAS> reider59: HI KIDS!
[15:51] <normod> I have mine beside an arduino uno now and it's just a bit longer
[15:52] <rotozip> Oh the kids on here are busy recompiling the Linux kernel. :-)
[15:52] <Crenn-NAS> In other news, the new release of Joomla means I could use SQLite or PostgreSQL
[15:52] <Crenn-NAS> rotozip: By hand?
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[15:52] <rotozip> yep
[15:53] <Crenn-NAS> Poor buggers
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[15:54] <Gadgetoid> That's a lot of machine code to write!
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[15:55] <ReggieUK> normod, I've got an arduino mega here and it's the same length as the pi including the sd card poking out, pi is a few mm wider than the mega
[15:56] <Gadgetoid> ReggieUK: sure your mega hasn't shrunk in the wash?
[15:56] <ReggieUK> pretty sure
[15:57] <Gadgetoid> The Pi was pretty close to the Duemilanove, unless I'm imagining things
[15:57] <ReggieUK> I think you are
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[15:58] <Gadgetoid> The mega looks longer than the Pi, but I guess you have to count that bleedin' SD card??? if it stuck out any further the Pi could achieve flight
[15:59] <ReggieUK> that sd card poking out of the side of the pi just looks like a busted SD slot waiting to happen
[15:59] <Gadgetoid> I guess I should be thankful that the SKPang "case" protects it rather effectively, just a shame it makes getting cards in and out such a fiddle
[15:59] <ReggieUK> what we need is a 1/2 height SD card to microSD breakoutboard
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[16:00] <Gadgetoid> Or just an SD-to-SD breakoutboard which reverses the direction of the SD card for giggles
[16:00] <ReggieUK> or a right angled sd card adapter
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[16:02] <normod> yeah I have a question about SD-cards, I don't have my prepared card with me?
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[16:02] <normod> how do I tell the speed of the three micro sd-card I have laying around
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[16:03] <ReggieUK> there might be a C with a number in on the card
[16:04] <ReggieUK> like c2, c4, c6, c10
[16:04] <ReggieUK> that is the speed class that the card is
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[16:04] <ReggieUK> that'll give you a rough idea
[16:04] <Gadgetoid> normod: I used AJA System Test to bench the IO performance from my desktop, but it'd vary in the Pi
[16:05] <Gadgetoid> The fastest one on your desktop could, for example, not even work in the Pi!
[16:05] <normod> Gadgetoid: ok
[16:06] <normod> ReggieUK: I don't see anything on them
[16:06] <ReggieUK> it's only an indicator anyway
[16:06] <ReggieUK> so try software suggestions that people offer you
[16:06] <ReggieUK> test it on the pc so you know roughly what it's capable of on a working system
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[16:07] <normod> yeah, thanks
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, see: http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess2.jpg note blue tape on sd card :)
[16:14] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: yes yes, I haven't 'got round to it yet :P
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[16:14] <Gadgetoid> I even have my electrical tape handy, but haven't needed to remove my SD card lately
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[16:17] <ReggieUK> http://hackaday.com/2012/06/05/chibikart-step-by-step-lets-you-build-your-own-tiny-wheel-racer/
[16:17] <ReggieUK> I have an idea
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[16:18] <ReggieUK> head mounted cams, RC controls on the kart, fullsized mariokart!
[16:18] <OneFix_Work> Is work being done on a version of BackTrack Linux for the rPi?
[16:18] <ReggieUK> not as far as I know
[16:18] <passstab> no
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[16:19] <passstab> OneFix_Work, why what would you do with it?
[16:19] <ReggieUK> what does anyone do with backtrack?
[16:20] <passstab> lol just kidding
[16:21] <OneFix_Work> passstab: http://www.pwnieexpress.com/eliteplug.html
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[16:23] <OneFix_Work> Funny thing is, with a little bit of work, I bet you could even make the air freshener part work with heat from the CPU
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[16:31] <Gadgetoid> OneFix_Work: network enabled air freshener??? I suppose it's inconspicuous to the average joe
[16:32] <Gadgetoid> $795!? ....
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[16:34] <Adya> Hi once more!
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[16:35] <Gadgetoid> Allo Adya
[16:37] <Adya> http://oi46.tinypic.com/b9ce39.jpg
[16:37] <Adya> Which of those openoffices should I choose for my Pi?
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> none of them.
[16:37] <Adya> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/openoffice.org
[16:37] <Adya> why non?
[16:37] <Adya> *none
[16:37] <passstab> use apt-get
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> it's really really going to be slow and slow and even slower trying to run open office on the Pi.
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> but if you must, just type sudo apt-get install openoffice
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> and it will pick the right one for you.
[16:38] <Adya> I've got no Internet ob Pi
[16:38] <Adya> *on
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> then you want the armel one.
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> however it required dozens of additional packages to work.
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> you'll spend the next day getting all those packages and installing them.
[16:39] <Adya> ((
[16:39] <passstab> and you will always want amrel packages
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> armel even ;)
[16:39] <Adya> If I don't need anything but work with *.doc files?
[16:39] <passstab> are you sure you can't connect it directly to the internet?
[16:40] <Adya> What can you advice?
[16:40] <Adya> passstab, no Internet at home
[16:40] <Gadgetoid> What about Abiword?
[16:40] <passstab> :( sorry to hear that
[16:40] <Adya> Ok, how can I download it??
[16:40] <Adya> AbiWord?
[16:40] <Owner> abiword was great before it required all of gnome
[16:41] <Owner> years and years ago..same with gnumeric :>
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> so the same issue with abiword - you'll need to get all the package dependancies ...
[16:41] <Gadgetoid> All things tend towards bloat
[16:41] <Gadgetoid> Abiword has a glut of deps, too, just checked
[16:41] <frankivo> gedit *O* :P
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> I really don't think the Pi is going to be good at all for packages like that.
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[16:42] <Gadgetoid> I've run Abiword on the Pandora, once it's done started up it doesn't fare too badly
[16:42] <Gadgetoid> "done starting" yeehaw!
[16:42] <Gadgetoid> I think, if you're going to grab all the individual packages then abiword will be easier, but still a pain
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[16:43] <OneFix_Work> Gadgetoid: If you're just doing wifi and 3G, it could all be self-contained
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[16:44] <passstab> Adya, is it possible to work with plaintext instead of .doc?
[16:44] <passstab> hi smjms
[16:45] <OneFix_Work> Gadgetoid: Just watch when you try and convince someone that your air freshener is trying to hack your network :)
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[16:46] <Gadgetoid> OneFix_Work: that's nothing, here they attach wifi access points to foxes and throw them down your chimney!
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[16:47] <Adya> And if I want to coneect to the Internet via my 3G USB dongle, how can I get it working??
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[16:49] <jaakkos> Adya: wvdial
[16:49] <Gadgetoid> Adya: sounds like the best chance you have, assuming your computer has a network port, is to network your Pi to your computer and share t'internet
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[16:52] <rm> what?... "sounds like the best way to answer your question is to not answer your question"
[16:53] <rm> and wvdial was indeed the correct answer :)
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[16:53] <rm> or just google any howto for setting up 3G Internet via your model of USB dongle for GNU/Linux
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[16:53] <Gadgetoid> rm: those usually assume you have an internet connection in the first place
[16:54] <OneFix_Work> BTW, anyone seen this http://www.pwnpi.com/
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[16:54] <rm> hm
[16:55] <rm> mimicing the official website does not look nice at all
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[16:56] <OneFix_Work> rm: Yea, someone might get the idea that the foundation is supporting it
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[16:57] <OneFix_Work> rm: Actually, the FAWQ section directly references the foundation as "we"
[16:58] <OneFix_Work> rm: So, the site claims to be part of the foundation...
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[17:02] <OneFix_Work> rm: But the project looks like it's coming along quite nicely ... http://sourceforge.net/projects/pwnpi/
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[17:03] <OneFix_Work> rm: However, most of the work is already done, since Debian already contains most of the apps they are using
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[17:04] <rm> I don't care
[17:05] <rm> I don't have an actual pi yet, and the blog theme gave a bad impression, so I didn't look into what the project actually is, even
[17:05] <rm> contact them to have the blog template changed
[17:05] <rm> if you think that project is something useful
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> I've made myself a minimal debian install to run my BASIC under.
[17:06] <Vilkku> hey, I have a logitech k400 keyboard, it works fine to log in in the console with it but after I start the gui (startx) the keyboard doesn't respond to anything
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> it comes out at 105MB compressed.
[17:07] <Vilkku> any ideas, anyone? afaik I'm using the latest firmware
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> runs from a 2GB sd card.
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> Vilkku, does your mouse work ?
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[17:08] <Vilkku> it's a keyboard with a touchpad. reported that it should work if everything's updated
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[17:08] <Vilkku> but no, that doesn't work either
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> ok, your missing a module (I suspect) hang on, I'll look it up.
[17:08] <Vilkku> the cpu usage chart is moving, so it haven't frozen completely
[17:08] <Vilkku> and I tested with another KB and that did work
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[17:09] <gordonDrogon> I think it's evdev - try modprobe evdev
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> oh - if another keyboard does work, then it's not that.
[17:09] <Vilkku> oh
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> but try it anyway - lsmod - it might already be there.
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[17:10] <Vilkku> okay
[17:10] <Vilkku> well, rebooting it first so that I can get to the console
[17:10] <Vilkku> fyi "Problems with no pointer movement Debian 19.04.12 firmware. Firmware update restores pointer but sticky key problem when connected through Trust powered hub." is what the wiki says
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> ok
[17:10] <Vilkku> and I remember someone mentioning that they have gotten this to work
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[17:13] <Gadgetoid> Has anyone tried to run an ATmega328 directly from the Pi?
[17:13] <tero_> Gadgetoid I am trying to do this :)
[17:13] <tero_> but 168
[17:13] <Gadgetoid> tero_: awesome, I wanted to skip the whole serial->usb nonsense and just hook the ATmega straight up to the GPIO
[17:14] <tero_> yeah that was my idea
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[17:14] <Gadgetoid> Specially as it'll run at 16Mhz, 3.3v
[17:14] <tero_> well I am actually using *duino
[17:14] <tero_> i mean atmega168 with arduino bootloader
[17:14] <tero_> and connect the uart port directly
[17:15] <Gadgetoid> Aye, yes I'd be using an arduino bootloader version too
[17:15] <tero_> from my experience atmega168 works with 3.3 directly
[17:15] <Gadgetoid> I don't much like the idea of a prefabbed arduino with all the simplicity and lack of education it comes with
[17:15] <tero_> but you have to boot a resistor on on Tx potr
[17:15] <tero_> just in cause
[17:16] <Gadgetoid> I'd be powering it from the Pi's 3.3v line, so presumably it would be incapable of producing any harmful voltage- same can't be said for current, I suppose
[17:16] <tero_> hm
[17:16] <tero_> well i don't know about 328 but 168 has 5V vcc
[17:17] <Vilkku> gordonDrogon, was I supposed to run those commands with the GUI started?
[17:17] <Gadgetoid> It's supposed to run at 3.8v to 5.5v at 16mhz, but hobbytronics reckon they've run it down to 2.7v
[17:18] <tero_> Gadgetoid i had a wifi router that i connected to a arduino with uart port
[17:18] <tero_> I have a similiar plan with rpi
[17:18] <Gadgetoid> Let me know how it goes :D
[17:19] <Gadgetoid> It doesn't look too complicated, but I'm new to this stuff??? so explosions might happen
[17:19] <tero_> lol
[17:19] <tero_> just remember
[17:19] <tero_> if you see smoke
[17:19] <tero_> it does not work
[17:19] <tero_> :D
[17:19] <Gadgetoid> Depends if you were trying to build a smoke machine or not, I suppose :D
[17:20] <Owner> i love the smell of burnt silicon in the morning
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> Vilkku, before..
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[17:21] <Vilkku> gordonDrogon, because I'm not having success with that, getting FATAL: Error inserting evdev /lib/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/drivers/input/evdev.ko Operation not permitted
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[17:21] <Adya> Smell of burnt scrambled eggs is marvellous!!
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> Vilkku, sudo modprobe evdev
[17:22] <Adya> Eggs, that are burnt on RasPi)
[17:22] <Vilkku> invalid module format this time, gordonDrogon
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> Vilkku, sorry - that's my limit, although it's possible the module is built-in..
[17:22] <Vilkku> okay, well thanks anyway :)
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I'm running at arduinos off my Pis.
[17:23] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: are you still using USB?
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes, but hopefully I'll be using the serial in a few days time.
[17:23] <Gadgetoid> Nice! would love to know how that works out
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> I've getting something that will run directly off the 3.3
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> but in theory, if you can talk to an arduino via usb serial then it's all the same using the on-board serial.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> however I suspect you'll need to disable console over serial first and make sure there is no getty running on the serial line.
[17:24] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: generally its fine a bit undervoltage at 16mhz. its rated for the full temperature range so you get a large margin from that anyway + the actual manufacturing margins
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> I'm told it much more stable at 12MHz at 3.3v, but I think it depends on ceramic oscillator vs. crystal.
[17:25] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: yay! thanks??? I'll have to grab a 3.3v regulator to replace the 5v one in the kit then
[17:25] <Gadgetoid> Although I guess the Pi's output is already regulated enough
[17:25] <trevorman> yeah
[17:25] <Gadgetoid> Can't be *too* regulated :D
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> they only take milliamps, sothe 3.3v supply from the Pi ought to be fine.
[17:26] <trevorman> I wouldn't put it into a commercial product that you're making millions of though
[17:26] <trevorman> doing things out of spec is bad for cases like that unless you do extensive testing of each chip first to be 100% sure it'll be okay
[17:26] <Gadgetoid> Haha, this is simply to further my education of electronics in the most painful and complicated way I can accomplish without going insane
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[17:26] <gordonDrogon> 328Ps are relatively cheap...
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> one xtal + 2 caps will get them going.
[17:27] <Gadgetoid> I've forsaken the starter kit in favour of adding a ridiculous list of components, ICs and other gubbins that I know little to nothing about
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> :)
[17:28] <trevorman> if you're feel cheap and don't mind it being a bit more inaccurate then a ceramic resonator with built in caps will be easier
[17:28] <trevorman> well. cheaper really. not particularly hard to do a crystal + 2 caps
[17:28] <Gadgetoid> Haha, true
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> I've found the 16MHz ones to be highly innaccurate too - when it comes to wall-clock timing anyway.
[17:29] <trevorman> yeah. if you actually want it to be accurate or you're trying to interface it to something else then you want a crystal
[17:29] <Gadgetoid> Crystal and caps are about 40p, not breaking the bank
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[17:29] <Gadgetoid> But I just used the "??3 extra for all the bits you need to breadboard this" option
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> I've got an arduino that drifts by several seconds a day using the 16MHz clock as a timing reference.
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, where from?
[17:30] <tero_pi> em quick question... how can I enable sound?
[17:30] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Hobbytronics.co.uk
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ok. not heard of them...
[17:31] <Gadgetoid> kit adds 16Mhz Crystal, 2x 22uF capacitors, 5v voltage regulator with 47uF capacitor, reset switch with 10k pullup resistor, 0.1uF capacitor, LED and accompanying resistor
[17:31] <trevorman> some uCs have an internal RC oscillator option so you don't need any external parts. clock speed will vary based on temperature and the specific chip you're using though.
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, similar stuff to skpang & coolcomponents by the looks.
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> the AVRs have an internal 8MHz oscillator which can be calibrated.
[17:31] <Gadgetoid> Aye gordonDrogon, pretty much??? they lured me in with their low price starter kit, and now I'm building component lists instead
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> they can also run off a 32768KHz watch crystal too.
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> slowly :)
[17:32] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: if you're starting out and don't mind a little extra work then just buy like 20+ of each of the most used resistors, bag of LEDs, bunch of random capacitors etc... from rapid electronics
[17:34] <ReggieUK> or do an ebay run
[17:34] <trevorman> a ton of 1K and 10K resistors will be useful. if you can be bothered them buy some resistors specifically as current limiting resistors for LEDs. if not, just stick a 1K in there (assuming you're not using some weird supply voltage). it'll just be a bit dimmer than normal.
[17:34] <trevorman> yeah. ebay you can get massive bags of LEDs.
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, heh 40p for a crystal & caps set..
[17:35] <ReggieUK> 10uF,1uF electrolytic caps
[17:35] <trevorman> try to avoid buying from RS as they're generally expensive lol
[17:35] <ReggieUK> maybe some 100s
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> I used to have lots and lots of electronics bits, but other the years, house moves, etc. most of it has dwindled...
[17:35] <ReggieUK> and some non polarised
[17:35] <Gadgetoid> I've got 4.7uF and 10uF caps in my list
[17:35] <trevorman> RS has a massive selection and you could probably outfit an entire factory just by buying from their catalog but everything is expensive
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> I resorted to buying one of the sparkfun resistor "books" recently just to built up some supplies.
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[17:36] <ReggieUK> get some non polarised caps too
[17:36] <ReggieUK> RS is expensive until you start ordering in bulk
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/resistor-kit-14w-5-500-total-p-1035.html
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> I don't know if it's sparkfun, or skpang, but everything seems to smell of mothballs ..
[17:37] <ReggieUK> I've never sniffed a moth
[17:37] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: 0 ohm resistor links? why would you want through hole 0 ohm resistors if you're not using a pick & place machine
[17:38] <trevorman> daft inclusion that since everybody just uses the cut off ends of other resistors :)
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, it's not just 0 ohm, it's 0 omn +/- 5% :)
[17:38] <trevorman> lol
[17:38] <Gadgetoid> rofl
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[17:38] <trevorman> weird selection in there
[17:38] <trevorman> 1.5 ohm? 4.7?
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[17:38] <Gadgetoid> I'm going with 10k, 1k, 220R, 330R
[17:38] <Gadgetoid> And 1M for some reason
[17:38] <ReggieUK> it doesn't look like a standard kit
[17:39] <ReggieUK> like E12 or something
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> 330 is OK for modern LEDs at 3.3v.
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> although the LEDs I bought technically only need 47 ohm resistors - but the increase in brightness isn't worth burning out the GPIO pins!
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> I did try with 47R resistors though....
[17:41] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: hence my desire to interface the ATMega as tightly as possible, so I can use it as a smart buffer
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[17:42] <Gadgetoid> It could, for example, read in IR pulses, convert them into binary and forward them to the Pi
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> it certianly could.
[17:42] <Gadgetoid> And do so with robust timing, whee :D
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[17:42] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: What you doing with the 1 megs?
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[17:43] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: something to do with IR, I think
[17:43] <Gadgetoid> Same with the MCP6002 op amp
[17:43] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: buy some diodes as well. a bunch of 1N1004s will do
[17:43] <trevorman> maybe some small signal diodes as well
[17:44] <Gadgetoid> I found 1N4007 and added them, plus BZX55C3v3??? just cos they said 3.3V :D
[17:44] <trevorman> uh 1n4001 not 1n1004. brain fart
[17:45] <Gadgetoid> presumably 1n4001 is just a cheaper version with less amperage/voltage tolerance?
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. I've not done anything as detailled as that for years and years. Used to be a big hobby of mine dabbling with electronics (and it was my first degree choice - did computing instead)
[17:45] <trevorman> lower voltage
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[17:45] <Gadgetoid> Ah, so these should do??? just a little overspecified :D
[17:46] <Gadgetoid> Well??? massively overspecified
[17:46] <trevorman> 1N4001 = 50V max at 1A. 1N4007 = 1000V max at 1A
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> I then spent 5/6 years building micro controllers out of mostly 6502 based systems.. such fun!
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[17:46] <gordonDrogon> I recall using 4004's over solenoids (did a lot of stuff with pneumatics)
[17:46] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I never really got into electronics, for some reason??? probably because actually using computers was more accessible to me at the time
[17:47] <trevorman> yeah. you'll want a diode if you've got a relay or solenoid
[17:47] <trevorman> 1n4004 will do for that
[17:48] <Gadgetoid> So...many...components
[17:48] <Gadgetoid> I threw out the H bridge, would be more fun building one from scratch
[17:48] <trevorman> your next consideration is getting a box or little cabinet with lots of trays :P
[17:48] <Gadgetoid> Still got a darlington array, non-inverting buffer and shift register ICs to play with though
[17:49] <trevorman> don't just chuck all the resistors into a single compartment or bag
[17:49] <Gadgetoid> Although the darlington array doesn't do much
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[17:50] <trevorman> what you buy depends on what you really want to do. like a cheap 3.3V TTL GPS unit would be quite neat to mess around with but its not going to do very much in terms of furthering your electronics knowledge
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[17:53] <gordonDrogon> yea, a lot of "join the dots" stuff now - certianly at the component density & frequencies we're looking at.
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> I remember when one company was developing a board with chips running at 70MHz - and they thought they were pushing the boundaries then..
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> some 20+ years back.
[17:54] <Gadgetoid> Everything is handed to us on a plate, now, it's difficult to cast it aside and get down to the basics
[17:54] * gordonDrogon shows his age again..
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> there's still excitement - I'm doing some work now for a company producing kit in the 60GHz range...
[17:55] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: you should remember those electronics kits you used to get where its all on a big board with little spring terminals on each lead :)
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[17:55] <trevorman> big board + a massive bag of wires + book
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, I had one with components mounted on plastic and 6BA bolts to hold everything together!
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[17:55] <trevorman> wonder why you don't get those types of kit any more
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> I wonder why they stopped teaching computing in schools ...
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> probably went out of fashion...
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[17:56] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: pretty sure I saw a kit like that in maplin
[17:56] <Gadgetoid> Nothing like the old ones, though
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> and modern chemistry sets - you can barely posion yourself, let alone make a kaboom!!!
[17:57] <hotwings> whoever was looking for an hdmi switcher: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882021219 on sale for $9.99 from $29.99.
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[17:59] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: you mean where you got bored and then decided to see what happened if you mixed a bit of everything from the kit and lit it?
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, Heh.. something like that!
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[17:59] <Gadgetoid> I'm slowly crawling to the ??50 free shipping mark :D
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[18:00] <IT_Sean> How much would shipping be?
[18:00] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:00] <Gadgetoid> *shrug*
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[18:00] <IT_Sean> It's not free if you have to spend ??50 on crap to get it. :p
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[18:01] <Gadgetoid> I'm running out of ideas for stuff to add, keep looking up circuit diagrams and adding more resistors/diodes/transistors
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[18:02] <IT_Sean> Get a few random buttons & switches. Can never have too many of those.
[18:03] <Gadgetoid> The 8 position DIP keeps catching my eye, not sure what for though :D
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[18:04] <IT_Sean> Meh... you never know. Grab it.
[18:04] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: get some 10K pots that will fit into a breadboard
[18:04] <IT_Sean> oooh
[18:05] <Gadgetoid> Pots *and* trimpots, whee
[18:05] <trevorman> you doing all this on a breadboard?
[18:05] <Gadgetoid> yup
[18:06] <trevorman> get a wiring kit
[18:06] <Gadgetoid> got one already, hurrah :D
[18:06] <trevorman> :)
[18:06] <Gadgetoid> It was one of the random things I grabbed in Maplin to get started
[18:06] <trevorman> arduino or using a bare AVR?
[18:06] <Gadgetoid> using the 328 with arduino bootloader
[18:07] <Gadgetoid> Not sure how to program the bare chip, that could be??? interesting
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[18:07] <trevorman> you need an AVR programmer or another AVR with the correct program loaded into it
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[18:07] <trevorman> where you ordering your stuff from?
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> bare chip programming is easy, but you need a programmer to do it.
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> I've done a couple of projects like that.
[18:08] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: all from hobbytronics.co.uk at the moment
[18:08] <trevorman> what gordonDrogon said
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[18:08] <Gadgetoid> They seem to have a limited selection, but that's probably helping more than it hinders??? too much choice would break my brain
[18:08] <trevorman> if you've got the programmer then you can skip getting preprogrammed chips and save some money
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> I made a parallel port programmer, but recently bought a "proper" one as my current desktop PC doesn't have a parallel port )-:
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[18:09] <trevorman> modern PCs are really unfriendly for homebrew hardware
[18:09] <trevorman> you pretty much have to dangle it off a USB->Serial adapter with a uC now
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> yea - the one I have is USB.
[18:09] <Gadgetoid> Or use an arduno AVR programming shield
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[18:10] <Gadgetoid> I wonder if I could wrangle a breadboarduino to be shield compatible.. .would probably have to do all the header stuff on a separate breadboard
[18:10] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: yeah thats why I said another AVR with the correct program loaded into it :) the shield isn't actually necessary
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[18:10] <trevorman> proper arduino boards won't fit into a breadboard btw
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[18:10] <trevorman> the spacing is messed up
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[18:11] <blkhawk> borduino by adafruit is gread on a breadboard
[18:11] <Gadgetoid> That's probably for the best??? will keep me away from lazyness
[18:11] <blkhawk> *great
[18:11] <trevorman> bit stupid but *shrug* bit late now for arduino or anybody else to really change
[18:12] <plugwash> hmm, not all modern PCs lack legacy ports
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[18:12] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, true, but they're bcoming rarer to find.
[18:12] <Gadgetoid> closing on ??50??? wonder if I should buy heatsinks to make everything look more awesome than it actually is
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, heat shrink?
[18:13] <Gadgetoid> nah, heatsinks!
[18:13] <IT_Sean> O_o
[18:13] <Gadgetoid> Metal things, with fins, that you stick on with thermal paste
[18:13] <trevorman> you can still buy proper parallel and serial port cards but they're expensive as they're aimed at industrial applications
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, sure - but heatshrink is always handy...
[18:13] <Gadgetoid> true, that
[18:13] <trevorman> don't glue heatsinks on :P
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a good hot-air gun though - I use a lighter...
[18:13] <trevorman> waste of money and it'll be annoying when you want to reuse the parts
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[18:14] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, the last motherboard I bought had both paralell and serial and I wasn't even looking for those features
[18:14] <blkhawk> you can glue sinks on
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[18:14] <blkhawk> with the proper temal conducting glue
[18:14] <plugwash> (and it was a z68 board so pretty recent)
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, that's lucky - I bought one jsut a month or 2 back and forgot to check )-: It has serial on-board, on a header, not brought out the back though.
[18:14] <Gadgetoid> thermal paste isn't so much glue as goop you can scrape/clean off
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[18:14] <trevorman> blkhawk: its not necessary and you've just more than doubled the physical volume of the chip for no reason
[18:14] <Adya> When I wrote .img file to my 8 gb sd card, I had only ~1.9 gb on general partition, and ~5.8 unallocated. I formatted them. Now I want to add them to the general partition(where /home, /usr, etc are placed). How can I do this on Pi or on Windows computer?
[18:14] <Gadgetoid> It sticks only because of suction
[18:14] <blkhawk> most boards still have headers for parallel and serial ports
[18:15] <trevorman> blkhawk: not on any board I've bought or seen recently
[18:15] <blkhawk> trevorman: define recently
[18:15] <trevorman> last 3 years
[18:15] <blkhawk> the board i bought last year still had them
[18:15] <blkhawk> no isa slots tho
[18:15] <blkhawk> :D
[18:15] <trevorman> ISA should have died off when PCI was current
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> Adya, did you put any data on the new partition?
[18:16] <Gadgetoid> Reet, topped it off with a 400 point breadboard for good measure, can't have enough breadboard
[18:16] <trevorman> if you've still got ISA ports on a PCIe board then thats really weird
[18:16] <plugwash> You can get motherboards that support core2 series processors and have ISA slots
[18:16] <plugwash> but they are bloody expensive and I haven't seen anything more recent than core2
[18:17] <Gadgetoid> Never know when you might need to use that Trident 1mb graphics card
[18:17] <blkhawk> that isa bit wasa joke ppl
[18:17] <trevorman> the stuff aimed at industrial will probably still have it jsut so they can rip you off when upgrading/fixing some legacy system
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[18:17] <blkhawk> sad but true
[18:18] <blkhawk> at least vesa-local bus is dead
[18:18] <Adya> Gordon, yes, I put, but I can delete it if it's needed:)
[18:18] <blkhawk> or MCI
[18:18] <plugwash> blkhawk, it may be a joke to you but if you have a card that would cost thousands of pounds to replace then ??300 for a motherboard can be a perfectly reasonable options
[18:18] <trevorman> still cheaper to pay extortionate prices than to actually replace it all
[18:18] <trevorman> yeah
[18:18] <trevorman> blkhawk: MCA was never popular so that wasn't a problem lol
[18:18] <trevorman> wasn't
[18:18] <trevorman> uh
[18:18] <trevorman> nvm
[18:19] <blkhawk> :)
[18:20] <trevorman> VLB died because it was basically the 486 memory bus brought out to a socket. Getting the Pentium bus to even resemble that vaguely was difficult and compatibility of cards was awful anyway even with a legitimate VLB 486 board.
[18:21] <blkhawk> trevorman: not that "compability" was something that worked faily well back rthen
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[18:21] <blkhawk> if memory serves it took 10 years for pnp to work
[18:21] <blkhawk> andwhat really solved it in the end was that everything migrated onto the main board
[18:21] <Adya> So?
[18:22] <trevorman> PNP was plug n pray that it worked
[18:22] <plugwash> No what really solved PNP was PCI
[18:22] <plugwash> which had proper enumeration designed in from the start
[18:22] <plugwash> unlike ISA where it was hacked on later
[18:22] <blkhawk> even pci pnp was terrible at first
[18:23] <trevorman> PCI PNP always worked fine for me
[18:23] <blkhawk> and i count os support into the equation
[18:23] <rm> IRQ conflicts were the main problem and were solved by having shared IRQs at first, then something like 42 IRQs later
[18:24] <blkhawk> yes
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[18:24] <blkhawk> but thattook about 10 years (or it seemed like 10 years)
[18:25] <blkhawk> pci, more irq, better os support, integration of components into mainboards
[18:25] <plugwash> though even today some cards just don't get on with some machines, I remember putting an intel gigabit PCIe card in an older HP desktop recently and the thing just wouldn't get past the BIOS screen
[18:25] <blkhawk> all that together made pnp work in the end
[18:25] <trevorman> ISA IRQs were edge triggered so you couldn't share. PCI let you use level
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[18:25] <trevorman> plugwash: I blame HP in that case as I've had loads of odd issues with their weird BIOS before
[18:26] <trevorman> I've had HP cards which refused to work in specific Proliants yet worked in another box that was the same model, revision and BIOS
[18:26] <plugwash> and then there was an old maxdata machine of mine where windows started to BSOD when I put in a trust 7 port USB card (and i've since used that card in other machines with the same version of windows)
[18:26] <plugwash> some combinations just don't seem to play nice :(
[18:27] <rm> wouldn't get past the BIOS screen <- ooooooooooh yes that's a great source of problems today
[18:27] <rm> I juggled various models of SATA/RAID controllers and NICs trying to get a server to boot
[18:28] <Gadgetoid> Hmm would the Raspberry Pi UART be inverted or not?
[18:28] <rm> because all of these have "option ROM", i.e. a small BIOS that loads after the main one
[18:28] <plugwash> Gadgetoid, I presume it's inverted relative to RS232 as is normal for logic level serial
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[18:28] <rm> and it seems like some of them want to load at the same position, or just require free space in lower RAM, etc
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[18:29] <rm> so not all cards which show any kind of additional screens after the main BIOS can work together
[18:29] <Gadgetoid> plugwash: does that mean anything when wiring it directly to an ATmega?
[18:29] <plugwash> Gadgetoid, it probablly means it will just work
[18:29] <Gadgetoid> plugwash: Yay! thanks, and fingers crossed
[18:29] <plugwash> most logic level serial is inverted relative to RS-232
[18:29] <plugwash> because most level shift chips are inverting
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[18:34] <Gadgetoid> Right, I swapped out some parts for a complete breadboard arduino kit with USB->Serial adaptor just in case :D
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[18:35] <Vilkku> is it possible to install xbmc into squeeze, or do I have to use the OS-versions of it?
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[18:44] <Gadgetoid> There goes the rest of my GPB paypal balance
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[18:46] <phoque> did anyone manage to get ioquake to run on debian (http://blog.modmypi.com/2012/06/1.html)?
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[18:46] <phoque> it's (again) complaining about vchiq
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[18:58] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, if I hooked a crystal up to the Pi, could it read the GPIO fast enough to use it for timing? haha
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, what?
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> No.
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> Unless you use a oscillator module with a very low output frequency
[19:04] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: the pi has a crystal already for the clock
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[19:04] <trevorman> the SoC has some timers inside anyway if you really want to do that. not sure if they've got any exposed interface to userland though
[19:04] <rotozip> My Pi just arrived at our local UPS hub??? Out for delivery tommorrow.
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> Several crystals even.
[19:05] <trevorman> one is for the LAN chip
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[19:06] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, wouldn't know how to get at any of those timers
[19:06] <Gadgetoid> But they'd be massively useful for timing pulses on the gpio
[19:06] <hotwings> rotozip - i have an rpi on the truck for delivery today
[19:07] <chris_99> what are you planning on doing Gadgetoid
[19:07] <trevorman> they look like resonators actually
[19:07] <rotozip> hotwings lucky
[19:07] <hotwings> rotozip - depends how you look at it. i ordered on march 1 lol :\
[19:07] <Gadgetoid> chris_99: I just wanted to time pulses from an IR receiver accurately, so I had half a chance of decoding them
[19:07] <hotwings> only took 3+ months
[19:08] <chris_99> ah, i think they're only in the KHz range
[19:08] <Gadgetoid> I've implemented a solution with wall-clock timing in C, using gettimeofday, but it'll throw its own timings out
[19:08] <chris_99> so you should be fine i would have thought
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[19:08] <Gadgetoid> But I haven't got the components to test it yet! will find out soon
[19:08] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: uhh. i'd just use some cheap uC for that
[19:08] <chris_99> aha, good luck
[19:09] <trevorman> you don't want it to suddenly go IR blind because some other process is hogging the CPU
[19:09] <chris_99> maybe he wants to use it to control video playback trevorman
[19:09] <Gadgetoid> Haha
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[19:09] <chris_99> it's not going to hog the cpu
[19:09] <chris_99> depending how you do it
[19:09] <trevorman> chris_99: yeah but uC that decodes IR and then you can talk to that via serial, I2C or SPI
[19:09] <trevorman> chris_99: not the IR -.-
[19:09] <Gadgetoid> For the most part, I just want to learn things??? so it doesn't matter much if it actually works
[19:09] <rotozip> hotwings my order date was March 2nd
[19:10] <trevorman> chris:99: some other process that uses up lots of CPU means that this IR receiver utility will get messed up timing
[19:10] <Gadgetoid> And the possible need for a uC is why I picked up an ATMega with an arduino bootloader
[19:10] <chris_99> in my view the less components the better trevorman
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[19:10] <rotozip> from Element 14
[19:10] <simonlc> has allied elec shipped out any raspis ever?
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[19:10] <hotwings> rotozip - lol well, i guess theyre right on schedule
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[19:11] <rotozip> yep
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[19:11] <trevorman> chris_99: still easier to do via a uC and its just 1 extra component which can do other things
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[19:11] <trevorman> more reliable as well
[19:12] <chris_99> can you generate interrupts on GPIO
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[19:12] <Gadgetoid> chris_99: apparently there's someone working on it
[19:13] <chris_99> cool
[19:13] <Gadgetoid> interrupts would certainly help me produce a more responsive megadrive controller hookup??? not that it was particularly sluggish or unresponsive anyway
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[19:13] <Gadgetoid> And the real Megadrive didn't use no stinkin' interrupts!
[19:13] <chris_99> heh you hooked up a megadrive controller? :)
[19:14] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, I wrote a simple driver for it in Ruby??? it's easy as???err.. Pi
[19:14] <chris_99> sweet :)
[19:14] <Gadgetoid> I should really document it better, as it's a nice simple starter project
[19:14] <trevorman> pfft megadrive. get a SNES pad :P
[19:14] <chris_99> yeah i'd be interested how you di dthat
[19:15] <Gadgetoid> Stuffing jumper wires into the 9-pin connector is a bit messy though
[19:15] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: got a SNES pad, haven't tried hooking it up yet though
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[19:15] <trevorman> I think the megadrive controller is simpler than the SNES one
[19:16] <Gadgetoid> megadrive is as simple as it gets, I think.. .well almost
[19:16] <trevorman> megadrive is just 4 data lines and another control line that selects from the two sets
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[19:16] <Gadgetoid> The "Select" pin was the only complicated thing, just hooked it up to a pin on the Pi with a 10k pullup
[19:16] <trevorman> yeah
[19:16] <hotwings> so you bought an rpi just to try to get a megadrive controller to work on it?!
[19:16] <hotwings> ??_??
[19:16] <Gadgetoid> And ran the megadrive controller on 3.3v which it was happy with
[19:17] <trevorman> the SNES one is serial IIRC
[19:17] <Gadgetoid> hotwings: nah, I just had a megadrive controller lying around??? decided to hook it up
[19:17] <Draylor> fun
[19:17] <trevorman> you need to clock it to read all the buttons
[19:17] <Gadgetoid> I bought a Pi to learn things!
[19:17] <hotwings> like what slow computing is like?
[19:17] <hotwings> :)
[19:17] <Gadgetoid> Ayoo, the Pi is only slow if you try to use a GUI :D
[19:18] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, yes the SNES controller appears to have clock/latch nonsense going on
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[19:18] <trevorman> its not difficult to do. you just clock it how many buttons there are and that many data bits come out the other end
[19:19] <trevorman> anything newer gets more complicated though. ps1 actually has commands to send it
[19:19] <Gadgetoid> Haha, really?
[19:19] <Gadgetoid> What about early pre-rumble, pre-dual-analogue PS1 controllers?
[19:20] <trevorman> similar protocol
[19:20] <trevorman> it just had extensions along the way to add analog + rumble
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[19:20] <trevorman> there is a uC inside the controller you need to talk to
[19:24] <Gadgetoid> When I get my new components I'll be able to re-hook up my megadrive controller without tearing apart my lovely binary clock :D
[19:24] <Gadgetoid> An
[19:25] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: oh what might be neat for you is to plug a PS/2 keyboard or mouse into the AVR. The protocol is well documented now and there is lots of example code. You could make a useless 40x2 serial terminal with an LCD + keyboard :D
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[19:25] <Gadgetoid> Thus I shall document!
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[19:25] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: hmmm, PS/2 keyboard might be interesting
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[19:26] <Gadgetoid> The Pi should have a PS/2 port :D it's the only real way to connect a keyboard
[19:26] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: its also good if you need many many key inputs for something. get a scrap PS/2 keyboard and rip it apart. you wire your other switches to the keys.
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[19:30] <phoque> Gadgetoid, you can probably implement a PS/2 port your own using the GPIO ports
[19:30] <phoque> I did that on an Atmel once
[19:30] <Gadgetoid> When GPIO generates interrupts, perhaps
[19:30] <phoque> exactly
[19:31] <protozoa> so none of the gpio do interrupting?
[19:31] <Gadgetoid> USB is just shoddy for keyboards, flakes out under high load??? or any load sometimes
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[19:31] <protozoa> you could probably implement a ps2 port with a custom kernel module
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[19:32] <ReggieUK> Gadgetoid, are you taking usb keyboards in general or on the pi specifically?
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[19:33] <mkopack> Bah! XT KB interface all the way!
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[19:34] <hotwings> must be the pi specifically. ive never experienced any usb keyboard problems
[19:34] <hotwings> even with cheap chinese ebay crap
[19:34] <Gadgetoid> ReggieUK: in general
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[19:34] <trevorman> I've not had any general USB problems for many years now
[19:34] <trevorman> only time I ever did consistently was when USB first came out and everything was brand new and flakey still
[19:35] <hotwings> yup
[19:35] <mkopack> And USB is WAY WAY better in that you can have those funky KB with all the extra buttons and audio controls and such??? I remember when they tried doing that stuff on PS/2 KB's. It was a NIGHTMARE - special drivers and such and they NEVEr worked right
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[19:36] <Gadgetoid> mkopack: *shudder* keyboard sacrilege!
[19:36] <Gadgetoid> The only way to do audio control on a PC is via a stonking great rotary volume control, aww yeah
[19:36] <IT_Sean> MOAR BUTTONS!
[19:37] <trevorman> you can buy one of those but its intended for video editing
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[19:37] <trevorman> http://store.griffintechnology.com/powermate-1
[19:37] <Gadgetoid> they, fortunately, often come connected to, or as a wired remote for speakers
[19:37] <IT_Sean> ^ I have one of those, trev.
[19:37] <trevorman> that ^ looks cool but no real reason for me to get it
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[19:37] <Gadgetoid> Gorgeous!
[19:38] <GoodGuy> Just testing - bbl
[19:38] <Gadgetoid> Apart from the shoddy USB cord, which looks a bit cheap
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[19:38] <trevorman> lol
[19:38] <IT_Sean> Meh... i've seen cheaper.
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[19:40] <Gadgetoid> Eben Upton is staring out of my screen??? I feel??? threatened
[19:40] <IT_Sean> scroll down.
[19:41] <IT_Sean> problem solved.
[19:41] <Gadgetoid> Stills from videos are about the most unflattering thing in the universe!
[19:41] <Gadgetoid> This video is embedded in businessweekly and has the worse sound in the universe
[19:42] <[SkG]> ping friggle ;)
[19:42] <Gadgetoid> Oh god, the quality, it burns!
[19:42] <Gadgetoid> Aha! This one is better
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[19:54] <Gadgetoid> the need to manufacture the RPi abroad highlights another fairly fundamental problem to technology in the UK
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> Need is largely bull.
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> import duty is 5%
[19:55] <Gadgetoid> It should, without a shadow of a doubt, be 0% on components
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[19:56] <Gadgetoid> the revenue generated by jobs and industry created to actually *do* things with those components would far outstrip any otherwise crippling and anti-incentivising taxes
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[19:57] <Gadgetoid> Actually, import duty on the whole is a preposterous concept- isn't it supposed to dissuade purchasing abroad so that local suppliers have a chance???? WHAT local suppliers...
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[19:58] <SpeedEvil> I have a fab 3 miles from me.
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[19:58] <SpeedEvil> http://www.semefab.com/
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[19:59] <Gadgetoid> Scotland!? YOu'd have to peel the batter off the chips before you could use them :D
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> used to make stuff in scotland - e.g. the ZX80's, etc. IIRC.
[20:00] <Gadgetoid> I'd dare say they're the exception to a growing rule
[20:01] <Gadgetoid> We used to make a lot of stuff in GB :(
[20:01] <Gadgetoid> Norwich is full of shoe-factories turned offices
[20:01] <Gadgetoid> Used to have a chocolate factory here, too??? them were the days
[20:01] <ReggieUK> lots of 'lectronics research done in scotland
[20:02] <Gadgetoid> We need to bring more manufacturing home, as a matter of national pride!
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> As a matter of not haemoragging funds overseas.
[20:02] <Gadgetoid> And that
[20:02] <Gadgetoid> Also, if China wants to cut us out??? we're basically dead in the water
[20:03] <ReggieUK> but with chinas control of the rare earth market even if we do mfr here, we're slightly jiggered for raw materials
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> Mines in the west are reopening
[20:04] <ReggieUK> so we'd really need to start reclaiming stuff from old tech in a big way
[20:04] <n17ikh> yeah, there are plenty of raw materials in the US and elsewhere if it comes to it
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> It's unfortunate that the market does strategic stuff so poorly.
[20:04] <Gadgetoid> ReggieUK: that's another thing we outsource
[20:04] <ReggieUK> indeed
[20:04] <ReggieUK> so again, sending money abroad
[20:05] <Gadgetoid> We basically just borrow rare earths from China and send 'em all back when we're done
[20:05] <ReggieUK> so my vote is the continued exploration of the falklands :D
[20:05] <Gadgetoid> Excuse my ignorance, but what's the deal with the falklands anyway!?
[20:05] <IT_Sean> bloody chinese
[20:06] <ReggieUK> more like capitalism rather than the chinese fault
[20:06] <ReggieUK> can't blame them for embracing western principals
[20:08] <Gadgetoid> If things were manufactured here, they wouldn't be as cheap??? but our economy wouldn't be in the tank, so we could actually afford them
[20:08] <ReggieUK> that's slightly debateable
[20:09] <ReggieUK> china has lots of subsidy it seems
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[20:10] <ReggieUK> what with the chinese government maniuplating their interest and exchange rates to favour exporting
[20:13] <ReggieUK> which has helped skew the worlds economies
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[20:18] <Gadgetoid> Rebooting Pi into Fedora??? fingers crossed it actually works this time :D
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[20:19] <Gadgetoid> ??? derp!
[20:20] <gmjhowe> I tried it once then gave up.
[20:21] <gmjhowe> There is a reason they dropped it from the recommended downloads.
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[20:21] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
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[20:23] <reider59> I got Fedora working but its iffy
[20:23] <reider59> Knew it was bugged but wanted to take a look
[20:23] <IT_Sean> As gm said, there is a reason it was dropped.
[20:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> Got it working, but haven't booted into it since I repaired my hard disk
[20:24] <reider59> If the log in gives you problems just keep repeating the same password, eventually it lets you in, or mine did
[20:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> you mean fedoraarm? probably easy to type fedorarm
[20:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> I already changed the root pw :D
[20:26] <reider59> changing password is easy, one of the bugged parts is the actual login
[20:27] <reider59> I got to the GUI, just need to change the size of the desktop, the taskbar is nearly off the bottom of the screen
[20:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> The PCI stuff is irritating
[20:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, I expected yum upgrade to do more than nothing
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[20:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> yum install gdm has an exciting list of dependencies :D
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[20:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> Damn it's fast
[20:35] <trevorman> hmm. I need to find another RTL2832U dongle. I don't think these things really have a great life expectancy.
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[20:38] <beardface> anyone else have lots of issues with X?
[20:38] <beardface> my mouse / kbd never work
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[20:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> Fedora has gone ape, spamming "kevent 2 may have been dropped" ha
[20:43] <snaipperi> you got the X input drivers installed?
[20:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> back to Debian
[20:44] <stephan48> Gadgetoid_Air: keyboard?
[20:44] <stephan48> Gadgetoid_Air: connected via switch or directly?
[20:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> stephan48: what who when where?
[20:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> stephan48: I think it was network related
[20:44] <stephan48> Gadgetoid_Air: is the hub ok(doesnt draw more than 100mA from the pi)
[20:45] <stephan48> ?
[20:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> No hub connected at the moment
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[20:46] <chancellorsmith> anyone point me to latest .img file for xbmc for pi ?
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[20:47] <trevorman> raspbmc? openelec?
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[20:48] <chancellorsmith> yeah - but is there a pre made .img around
[20:48] <chancellorsmith> of a recent build
[20:48] <IT_Sean> which build?
[20:48] <beardface> snaipperi: i figured they were installed by default
[20:48] <IT_Sean> raspbmc or openelec?
[20:48] <chancellorsmith> i have grabbed darkelec1
[20:48] <chancellorsmith> oh, openelec
[20:48] <chancellorsmith> whichever is less buggy
[20:49] <RaYmAn> IEF: http://www.mk802shop.com/ not really sure how trustworthy they are, lol. But 1GB variant
[20:49] <RaYmAn> uh
[20:49] <RaYmAn> wrong channel.
[20:50] <Gadgetoid> skree, my wife found me a nice big breadboard and some misc components in her dad's shed
[20:50] <ReggieUK> :)
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[20:51] <rm> RaYmAn, greedy bastards
[20:51] <Gadgetoid> Shame I just bought an 830 and 400 breadboard :D
[20:52] <rm> $95 + $14
[20:52] <trevorman> chancellorsmith: if you've already got openelec running then you can just do an update
[20:52] <trevorman> you don't need to write a whole new image on
[20:53] <nid0> rm, hows that particularly "greedy"?
[20:53] <chancellorsmith> aha??? handy??? well am currently dd-ing xbmc darkelec1.img... will see
[20:53] <chancellorsmith> guess i can update that if it boots
[20:53] <Gadgetoid> I accidentally tore the tap off the lid of my Calippo, and now I can't open it??? sweet delicious ice lolly, why have you forsaken me!
[20:53] <chancellorsmith> don't have an xbmc SD card yet
[20:53] <chancellorsmith> time dd bs=1024k if=./darkelec1.img of=/dev/disk1
[20:54] <rm> nid0, the 512 MB version is $74 (Free shipping) on Aliexpress
[20:54] <trevorman> chancellorsmith: http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/ for OpenELEC disk images. http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/ if you want the basic files to partition yourself or if you want to do the update system.
[20:54] <chancellorsmith> love xbmc and can't wait to retire my jailbroken ATV2 for a pi.
[20:54] <chancellorsmith> ta
[20:54] <rm> I am NOT convinced +512 MB of RAM justifies +47% price
[20:54] <rm> and I am not convinced this one *really* has 1GB of RAM, either
[20:55] <nid0> bear in mind thats free "you'll get it in a month, maybe" shipping on aliexpress. they add $16 for tracked shipping
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[20:55] <nid0> ie more than mk802
[20:55] <rm> hm, and here?
[20:55] <chancellorsmith> bugger??? i'll cancel this dd and grab this one http://ubuntuone.com/7OUMPJ2BmSIT6A8C2b019d
[20:55] <rm> > delivered using EMS
[20:55] <rm> okay
[20:55] <trevorman> chancellorsmith: darkelec is just a fork of openelec with some plugins installed by default, some wifi related utilities and driver and the RSS scroller disabled. not sure how quickly the author will be updating for new openelec changes.
[20:55] <rm> a bit better
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[20:56] <chancellorsmith> trevor - right thanks, CTRL-C on that dd
[20:56] <trevorman> chancellorsmith: why do you want to retire the ATV2?
[20:56] <chancellorsmith> downloading latest openelec
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[20:57] <chancellorsmith> trevorman: will ebay it???anyway never liked all the jailbreak' nonsense
[20:57] <trevorman> xbmc for the rpi isn't quite 100% yet. codec support is quite patchy. if all your content is h264 or xvid then it'll work well but if you've got a mix then expect odd issues
[20:57] <chancellorsmith> far better some open source hardware
[20:57] <chancellorsmith> fair enough - over time it'll improve i guess
[20:57] <Owner> anyone try slackware yet?
[20:57] <trevorman> eh maybe
[20:57] <trevorman> the problem is that we have very limited codecs that are HW decoded
[20:57] <Owner> slackware has an official arm port
[20:58] <chancellorsmith> how big are the images??? 326 KB/s - 59.0 MB
[20:58] <chancellorsmith> <yawn>
[20:58] <trevorman> the GPU either doesn't support it or we don't have the required license + plugin to enable it
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[20:58] <Owner> is this 32bit or 64bit
[20:59] <trevorman> is what 32bit or 64bit?
[20:59] <Owner> cpu
[20:59] <mjr> there are no 64-bit arms around yet
[20:59] <Owner> ok
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[20:59] <trevorman> they've defined ARMv8 which is 64 bit but nobody has actually made one yet to my knowledge
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[21:00] <Habbie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARMv8_and_64-bit
[21:00] <Owner> http://www.armedslack.org/
[21:00] <Habbie> trevorman, ah
[21:00] <Habbie> in any case the pi is not new enough to benefit
[21:00] <Owner> ARMv4t will that work?
[21:00] <Owner> Slackware ARM v13.1 and v13.37 are built for ARMv4t, little endian, soft float, EABI.
[21:00] <mjr> Owner, it should
[21:00] <Owner> nice, a real distro for rpi!
[21:01] <mjr> though it won't take full advantage of the pi's particular brand of arm
[21:01] <trevorman> Owner: it should work but idk if anybody has actually packaged it up ready to run
[21:01] <Habbie> trevorman, just unpack to sda2, right?
[21:01] <trevorman> a real distro? whats debian then?
[21:01] <Habbie> trevorman, don't bite - don't feed the troll ;)
[21:01] <trevorman> :P
[21:01] <Owner> ARMv5tel (thumb, little endian, soft float, EABI) , and will also work on machines with a newer model of CPU such as the ARMv7.
[21:02] <trevorman> I was going fedora as well but thats not really working so doesn't count :D
[21:02] <Owner> debian is okay
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[21:02] <mjr> oh yeah, I forgot who Owner was
[21:03] <Owner> ?
[21:03] <Gadgetoid> debian is imaginary, trevorman
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[21:04] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: :D
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[21:04] <Owner> mjr~# ??
[21:04] <trevorman> not that I'd use it but wonder if anybody will make gentoo for rpi
[21:04] <trevorman> start installation now. come back in a month.
[21:05] <Owner> trevorman~# wut?? is there a military grade rpi?
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[21:05] <trevorman> yes. its painted camo green.
[21:05] <Gadgetoid> gentoo: Becuase.
[21:05] <Gadgetoid> Because!
[21:06] <trevorman> gentoo - because you really like staring at a compiler doing its thing
[21:06] <Gadgetoid> Admit it, we've all done it at least once
[21:07] <Gadgetoid> gentoo: because your central heating packed in
[21:07] <trevorman> compiling the kernel looks weird because its all hidden now...
[21:07] <Owner> gentoo: because broken upgrades are learning experiences
[21:07] <Gadgetoid> gentoo taught me little more than how to type in commands to make it bootstrap, then wait for ages, then uninstall it
[21:08] <IT_Sean> lol
[21:08] <Gadgetoid> Yay! following instructions for the great success!
[21:08] <Gadgetoid> iirc I left it compiling overnight on my pentium 4
[21:08] <Owner> just like Linux from scratch!
[21:08] <dmsuse> you could try vidalinux if u dont like waiting :P
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[21:09] <nid0> overnight's not bad, first time I ever bootstrapped gentoo was on a dual-cpu celeron and it took like 4 days
[21:09] <Owner> pft
[21:09] <Owner> i did it on my 1.1ghz celeron faster than that
[21:09] <IT_Sean> O_O
[21:10] <Owner> stage1 of course
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[21:10] <nid0> im talking like *old* style celerons, I think they were 600mhz or so
[21:10] <Owner> ah
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[21:10] <trevorman> my 300A Celeron was great :P
[21:11] <Gadgetoid> They had 600mhz celeron? I thought they only went up to about 20mhz??? how they managed to make crappy laptops running Windows ME with them always eluded me
[21:12] <trevorman> I think the 3rd revision ones did
[21:12] <Owner> i thought ARM only went up to 20mhz
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[21:12] <Gadgetoid> ARM only goes up to 11, but that's one better ya know!
[21:13] <Owner> nope, explain
[21:13] <nid0> ..
[21:13] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: you're typing to much. "why they made Windows ME always eluded me" <-- that is sufficient
[21:13] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: haha, truth!
[21:13] <Gadgetoid> Owner: you need *that* meme explained, of all the memes!?
[21:13] <Owner> i hate memes
[21:14] <Gadgetoid> Memes aside, you've not heard of Spinal Tap?
[21:14] <nid0> how can you not know about going up to eleven being best.
[21:15] <Owner> spinal tap?
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[21:15] * nid0 sighs
[21:15] <Owner> you youngins...and your...spinal taps
[21:16] <Gadgetoid> crappy quality, but it puts the point across: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVKWCpNFhY
[21:16] <nid0> whatre you, like 90?
[21:16] <jcran> anyone know of a half-size sd card or smallish micro adapter?
[21:16] <Gadgetoid> I'm sorry, are you from the past or something?
[21:16] <nid0> theres no chance of him getting that one.
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[21:16] <Gadgetoid> nid0: worth a try :(
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[21:17] <Gadgetoid> Oh oh oh! I just happened across the I.T. Crowd phone support clip :D
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[21:17] <Owner> hah what video was funny, what is that from
[21:17] <nid0> are you serious?
[21:17] <Owner> thats a cool site btw
[21:17] <trevorman> jcran: RSMMC but it still sticks out a little and it doesn't appear to be reliable despite the SDHCI controller inside the SoC saying it supports MMC
[21:17] <Owner> youtube.com
[21:18] <trevorman> jcran: I can't get any of the RSMMC cards I've got to work and the only other person I can find to have tried can't get it to work either
[21:18] <Owner> gadgetoid: is that your site?
[21:18] <Gadgetoid> I think we're being trolled??? getting the feeling??? yes
[21:18] <ShiftPlusOne> trolled? D=
[21:18] <Gadgetoid> Owner: I made YouTube entirely out of six lego bricks, an arduino and a slice of cake
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> MMC being supported does not mean uboot supports MMC mode
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[21:19] <SpeedEvil> It would be interesting to see if RSMMC works once booted
[21:19] <Owner> gadgetoid: :D
[21:20] <jcran> trevorman: cool, wasn't aware of the rsmmc format, looking into it...
[21:20] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: somebody else got as far as the kernel loading and then it freaks out
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[21:20] <trevorman> loads of controller errors
[21:20] <SpeedEvil> I mean boot all the way into linux, then unmount and swap cards.
[21:20] <trevorman> oh right
[21:20] <trevorman> hmm
[21:20] <SpeedEvil> Woo - food delivery (tesco)
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[21:22] <trevorman> the RSMMC cards I've got say they're compliant with the same MMC specs that the Broadcom datasheet say the SoC is compatible with *shrug*
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[21:22] <Gadgetoid> I've got an MMC card somewhere??? quaint :D
[21:23] <trevorman> I've got loads of useless MMC cards
[21:23] <trevorman> Canon used to like giving you a 16MB or 32MB one with their cameras
[21:23] <Gadgetoid> All the megabytes!
[21:23] <trevorman> woo! 6 pics per card!
[21:23] <Bensa> does RASPBMC have its own channel?
[21:24] <Gadgetoid> I still remember thinking a 512mb SD card was *huge*??? oh how far we've come
[21:24] <trevorman> nah. microdrives were huge :P
[21:24] <Gadgetoid> I don't even want to think about hard drives measured in mb
[21:24] * D34TH points at tape drives
[21:25] <ShiftPlusOne> bensa, doesn't look like it.
[21:25] <Bensa> ShiftPlusOne: mk
[21:25] <Bensa> bad start for the brand new RC :D
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[21:26] * IT_Sean still has a HD with a capacity measured in MB at home
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[21:28] <amelia_> IT_Sean: I've got a very nice 40MB external SCSI hard drive... will weight any paper down, and hold open any door! ;)
[21:29] <Gadgetoid> IT_Sean: so do I! It's 1048576mb!
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[21:30] <IT_Sean> amelia_: het your 2nd raspi yet?
[21:30] <IT_Sean> *get
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[21:30] <amelia_> IT_Sean: nope.. but when I do... it'll be going on eBay ;_) muhahahaha
[21:30] * IT_Sean has the 32mb HDD out of his first computer on a shelf above his current computer :p
[21:30] <IT_Sean> hey!
[21:30] <IT_Sean> I called dibs!
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[21:31] <IT_Sean> :(
[21:31] <amelia_> IT_Sean: oh, yes.. lest I forget ;)
[21:31] <tero_> um any ideas when the sound drivers will be better?
[21:31] <amelia_> Don't worry, I'll let you know when I know :)
[21:31] <tero_> this is crap
[21:31] <tero_> :(
[21:31] <trevorman> better?
[21:31] <trevorman> whats wrong with it?
[21:32] <reider59> <<< still have my CPU out of my first PC, on a shelf in the puter studio. It was a 486 DX33
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[21:32] <ShiftPlusOne> trevorman, presumably he's talkig about analog... which crackles and doesn't sound too good.
[21:32] <haltdef> mine's on my bedside table for some reason, athlon xp 2400+
[21:32] <dmsuse> reider59: want me to lend you my bin?
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: I have next to me a 1.3" IDE 20MB drive
[21:32] <trevorman> huh. mine doesn't crackle
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[21:33] <reider59> nope! I love collecting puter bits, got alsorts
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: RSMMC being compatible with the HW does not mean the SW is compatible with it.
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: It may require different configuration, that the SW does not do, or does not do reliably.
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> This may or may not be fixable.
[21:34] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: I'd expect the bootloader ROM to actually do something though
[21:34] <trevorman> it doesn't do anything at all. it acts like I haven't even connected a card at all
[21:35] <trevorman> not particularly concerned as they're all 1GB cards and I actually use it with SD. I was just curious to see if it would work or not.
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[21:37] <SpeedEvil> The bootloader ROM is quite limited in its smarts.
[21:37] <SpeedEvil> It may only be designed for EMMC, and not have considered someone wanting to connect a MMC on the external SD port
[21:37] <trevorman> yeah. thats what I figure
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[21:41] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> In addition to the food delivery from tesco - he's left behind a couple of those trays.
[21:43] <nid0> I remember they used to intentionally leave them with you if you wanted
[21:43] <Owner> what is a tesco
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[21:43] <Owner> what kind of food
[21:45] <hotwings> indian
[21:45] <hotwings> they have decent mutton burgers
[21:45] <trevorman> nid0: really?
[21:45] <Owner> with a slurpee?
[21:46] <trevorman> they've never left them or offered to leave them here
[21:46] <trevorman> :|
[21:47] <nid0> its maybe 2-3 years ago they stopped round here, but prior to that if you couldnt be assed unloading them straight away they just left and would get em next time
[21:47] <nid0> presumably they ended up losing so many that way they decided the extra time for the delivery guy hanging round was worth the wait
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> Owner: Tesco is the largest UK supermarket - that delivers for about 3 quid, or 4 euro.
[21:48] <trevorman> ahh
[21:48] <trevorman> when I do get them to deliver then its always really really late as I'm up anyway and its usually the cheapest
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[21:49] <the_cuckoo> other than openelec, are there any other distros which provide accelerated playback of video? can it be done with the debian distro without building stuff?
[21:49] <Owner> whats so good about a tray
[21:49] <Owner> can you make a raspberry pi case out of it?
[21:49] <trevorman> ordered once when it was snowing and the guy did actually come out to deliver. his van got stuck trying to leave though and he was out there for over an hour
[21:49] <trevorman> the_cuckoo: omxplayer
[21:50] <trevorman> the_cuckoo: raspbmc as well but thats basically the same as openelec and not really intended to be a general purpose distribution
[21:50] <the_cuckoo> is omxplayer a distro?
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> Owner: And http://pastebin.com/mV1dXXJb - actually
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> Owner: It's a robust handy size of tray for carrying stuff about in
[21:51] <trevorman> the_cuckoo: omxplayer is a command line video player
[21:51] <the_cuckoo> k - part of the debian distro?
[21:51] <Owner> SpeedEvil~# that chicken seems a little pricy
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> Owner: It's chicken and thyme crisps - and they were actually 79p, not 1.99
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> So I stocked up.
[21:52] <trevorman> the_cuckoo: http://elinux.org/Omxplayer
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> This is basically a months shopping, with more than that in stock for some items
[21:52] <Owner> OH nice
[21:52] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: was going to say. you'll need more than one pack of strepsils if you're munching through 25 packets of sensations
[21:52] <Owner> i see 25 lol
[21:52] <the_cuckoo> trevorman: thanks
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:52] <Owner> 15 litres of milk? hows that going to stay good
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> Owner: It's UHT - it can sit in a cupboard.
[21:53] <Owner> hows that work
[21:53] <Owner> oh
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> They heat treat it to 65C for 10s or so
[21:53] <Owner> just pastuerization?
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> Basically.
[21:54] <Owner> ...i must look this up
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> With a very controlled profile so that it's not affected too much tastewise.
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[21:54] <SpeedEvil> It being skimmed bothers me more tastewise than it being UHT.
[21:55] <Owner> wow six to nine months on shelf
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[21:55] <trevorman> once you get used to skimmed then everything else tastes really weird :|
[21:56] <Owner> http://www.foodrenegade.com/just-say-no-to-uht-milk/
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> eww.
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> Owner, you might appreciate this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough.jpg
[21:59] <Owner> :D nice
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[21:59] <Owner> i drank real milk from a farm in kentucky
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> I really meant the milk...
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[21:59] <Owner> you have to shake it because it has cream at the top
[21:59] <Owner> and tastes like grass :D
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> I think raw milk is illegal in the US ...
[21:59] <praest76> 'lo
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> and Scotland.
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> fortunately we have a local farm that delivers.
[22:00] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: it's illegal to sell in a market.
[22:00] <IT_Sean> It's perfectly legal to drink it, assuming you have a cow of your own :p
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> ah, so you can buy from a farm?
[22:00] <praest76> I love coming in on a conversation out ofcontext
[22:00] <Owner> gordonDrogon~# lucky!
[22:00] <IT_Sean> I /think/ you can buy it direct from a farm, but, i've never lived near a dairy farm, so...
[22:00] <praest76> I've never drank unpasturised cows milk
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> I drink it every day :)
[22:01] <IT_Sean> You cannot distribute raw milk for resale in the US.
[22:01] <Owner> you get like 2 dollars when you b ring the bottles back
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> so sad.
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> we actually pay 1p more per pint than if I walked to the coop to buy it in a plastic container.
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[22:02] <Owner> milk isnt really good for you anyway
[22:02] <DaQatz> I grew up on a dairy farm. All drank milk wise in my youth was raw dairy milk.
[22:02] <praest76> I've just set up irssi on my 'pi so I thought I should join a channel
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> it's fine if you can digest it.
[22:02] <IT_Sean> welcome, then, praest76
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> praest76, using the pi to connect here?
[22:02] <chancellorsmith> praest76: i was gonna do that - with "screen" maybe
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[22:03] <gordonDrogon> wonder if I can run up xchat :)
[22:03] <raspi_camper> xchat works :D
[22:03] <praest76> My gran was raised on a dairy farm in Tyrone. I'm trying ton get my bro so post oe of their branded bottles
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> Ah, it wants python. don't want to pollute my Pi ;-)
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[22:03] <praest76> gordonDrogon: Yep :)#
[22:04] <praest76> chancellorsmith: I'm using irssi in a byobu session
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> I worked for a dairy when younger & at uny. we pasturised & bottled and delivered. it was great fun. good money too :)
[22:04] <chancellorsmith> byo-what?
[22:05] <praest76> chancellorsmith: It's a kinda wrapper for screen. Gives you a footer with sysinfo
[22:05] <chancellorsmith> okey
[22:05] <DaQatz> http://eatthattoast.com/comics/2010-06-21.png
[22:05] <praest76> Fully customisable. i've got upload and download speeds, free mem, cpu load etc
[22:06] <chancellorsmith> interestings http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/byobu-a-shortcut-to-a-prettier-screen/
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[22:08] <praest76> I use it over screen most of the time, however I'm forced to use shell-in-a-box at werk and it doesn't format well there, so I try to stick with trad. screen there.
[22:08] <chancellorsmith> i used to use screen but i've forgotten the keys to press
[22:09] <praest76> In obu ctrl[A
[22:09] <Owner> why not use tmux
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[22:09] <praest76> ctrl+a and ? gets you the helps
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[22:09] <chancellorsmith> ta
[22:10] <chancellorsmith> screen ping
[22:11] <Owner> hailing frequencies
[22:11] <Owner> view screen on
[22:11] <praest76> Earl Grey Hot!
[22:11] <Owner> lol
[22:12] <Owner> darmok
[22:12] <praest76> It goes nerd very quickly here does it?
[22:13] <Gadgetoid> Nerdtastic
[22:13] <Owner> nerdgasmic
[22:14] <Gadgetoid> Who needs earl grey when you can have vindaloo and a beer milkshake
[22:15] <praest76> I you are at a gathering of people that look like nerds andshould "darmok and jilhad!" and get a response of "at tenagra". You are in quite deep.
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[22:15] <Owner> jallad, tunagra, LRN2SPL
[22:15] <normod> temba his arms wide
[22:15] <Owner> ok i could be wrong
[22:15] <Owner> SHAKA
[22:16] <normod> when the walls fell
[22:16] <IT_Sean> Ooookay... we all get it. You are nerds that watch ST:TNG.
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[22:16] <normod> I just have a good memory, that was an awesome episode
[22:16] <Owner> WE ALL = not the star trek nerds?
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[22:17] <Owner> diablo 3 has a woman named temba wide arms
[22:17] <Gadgetoid> Haha, this is funny??? I started a TNG riot yesterday
[22:18] <reider59> wonder if the Captains Log rotted yet
[22:18] <Gadgetoid> with the same damned phrase!
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> I enjoy ST, but am not fanatical aBout it. However I recognise that episode, but couldn't qote the words...
[22:18] <Owner> gadgetoid: go on
[22:18] <Gadgetoid> Owner: it wasn't so much as a riot, as a similar outpouring of geekiness in this very same channel
[22:19] <Owner> cool story
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[22:19] <Gadgetoid> Bro?
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[22:19] <Owner> i have a cool story...i call my dog Lacutest of Dog
[22:19] <reider59> Similarity between Captain Kirk of the SS enterprise and a toilet roll......One discovers the Klingons and the other wipes em out.
[22:20] <chancellorsmith> have installed pi and webcam in my mums house (a cottage)???hostname? any takers ?
[22:20] <Gadgetoid> I say number one, would you join me in a laugh...
[22:20] <IT_Sean> SS enterprise? really.
[22:20] <IT_Sean> just get out.
[22:20] * IT_Sean points towards the exit.
[22:20] <reider59> beam up me Scotty
[22:21] <praest76> chancellorsmith: Sorry, you have webcam'd your mum and wonder if anyone is interested?
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[22:21] <praest76> me may have misread
[22:21] <Owner> chancellorsmith~# SeeMomsPi
[22:21] <Owner> lol
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> reider59, Kirk never said 'beam me up Scotty' ...
[22:22] <Owner> i read that as Beam me up Scrotty
[22:22] <praest76> He did say "Scotty, beam me up."
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[22:22] <reider59> beam up me lol, was a gay man called Scotty
[22:22] * gordonDrogon nods.
[22:22] <praest76> I used to know a gay man called Scotty. He kept lizards.
[22:22] <trevorman> finally got a confirmation email about the modmypi case
[22:23] <trevorman> "We are currently waiting on injection moulding tooling to be manufactured, which is on target to be completed on the 15th June 2012."
[22:23] <praest76> I'm tmpted to pre-order a Mindcraft lego set and try to build a ase from it.
[22:23] <trevorman> "After an initial small prototype production run and adjustment (if necessary), we will enter full scale production and start distribution as soon as we can! "
[22:23] <trevorman> mindcraft?
[22:24] <praest76> Minecraft.
[22:24] <trevorman> oh right
[22:24] <praest76> Sorry, laptop key6board and IRC ona Pi with java running in th background
[22:24] <the_cuckoo> in case anyone is interested, i've knocked up a small http server in python which can transcode most things to h264 - wrote it to allow me to watch satellite tv streams and dvd rips with xbmc... needs a bit of spit and polish, but is working rather well
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[22:28] <the_cuckoo> happy to paste the code if anyone actually is interested :) - it's missing a vital component (because i'm working on a virgin ubuntu 12.04 and there's no libx264 encoder support there afaict) - currently hacked around that for testing, but needs to be corrected
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[22:28] <trevorman> the_cuckoo: oh? that'd be cool. I don't need it for my DVDs as I did the painful slow task of transcoding all of those to h264 already but the transcoding streams would be useful
[22:28] <shaulkr> the_cuckoo: Sounds interesting
[22:28] <trevorman> handbrake + a few days of WHIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR noises as the fans were constantly at 100%
[22:29] <the_cuckoo> ok - cool - will post in a minute :)
[22:29] <reider59> It's good to see people working on many different uses, Cuckoo. well done
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[22:29] <Gadgetoid> praest76: Minecraft lego sets look a bit naff
[22:30] <blkhawk> i wonder if there is an easy way to strip the h254 from a flv container
[22:30] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: they're for the obsessed MC players who <3 Minecraft and everything Minecraft
[22:30] <trevorman> blkhawk: mencoder or ffmpeg should be able to do it
[22:30] <blkhawk> trevorman: online? without much overhead?
[22:30] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: I play minecraft too much, and I love lego??? but those sets??? they're just wrong
[22:30] <blkhawk> preferably n the rasberry
[22:30] <praest76> Gadgetoid: Yes, they do. I was[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C dissapoijted in how they turned out. Looks like Lego vomit actually.
[22:30] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: I'm more bleh about the price
[22:30] <shaulkr> blkhawk: You're probably looking for mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy
[22:31] <Gadgetoid> praest76: "lego vomit" is a pretty good way to put it :D
[22:31] <praest76> Looked like mini-duplo.
[22:31] <blkhawk> shaulkr: heh i will try that
[22:31] <trevorman> ?30 for 480 bits
[22:31] <shaulkr> It's only limited by disk bandwidth, as it doesn't encode anything
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[22:31] <Gadgetoid> Come back when I can magically suspend lego bricks in mid air to build elaborate impossible constructs
[22:31] <the_cuckoo> trevorman: shaulkr: http://pastebin.com/aYwRqnB3 <- the current output is an mpegts with mpeg4/mp2 - openelec xbmc can't grok the mpeg4 - just need to switch to h264 and it should be all good
[22:32] <the_cuckoo> that's on line 94
[22:32] <praest76> Lego has got very expensive in general. Though i've also got quitye old since childhood so that may just be standard inflation.
[22:32] <Gadgetoid> Built a 36x36 pyramid in the Xbox minecraft yesterday, holy pain
[22:32] <trevorman> praest76: true
[22:32] <trevorman> praest76: mindstorms is better than minecraft lego anyway ;)
[22:32] <praest76> I'm also just bitter as they never had licensed Lego or transformers when I was a child.
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[22:33] <blkhawk> i have this retarded problem that flv files take exactly 40 seconds to play
[22:33] <Gadgetoid> I wish I had a mindstorms kit again :( mine was given away/lost
[22:33] <blkhawk> like a timeout
[22:33] <ReggieUK> or a buffer filling up?
[22:33] <the_cuckoo> trevorman: shaulkr: oh yeah - usage - i called the httpi :) - just run it and install the missing python packages it grumbles about - then to test ffplay "http://localhost:57740/stream?url=/path/or/url/to/mpeg/or/wahetever"
[22:33] <blkhawk> ReggieUK: its ALWAYS 40 seconds
[22:34] <ReggieUK> buffer is set to 40seconds?
[22:34] <blkhawk> even for short files
[22:34] <ReggieUK> :D
[22:34] <praest76> The girlfriend bought me that Tranasformer Millennium Falcon for xmas a few years ago. That would have been so awesome when I was 8.
[22:34] <trevorman> the_cuckoo: you tried VLC to transcode the stream?
[22:34] <ReggieUK> and it just twiddles its thumbs for the extra time on short files
[22:34] <shaulkr> thecuckoo: Nice.
[22:34] <the_cuckoo> trevorman: nope
[22:34] <trevorman> I've got a WinTV PVR cards that does hardware MPEG2 encoding and I use VLC to stream that
[22:34] <the_cuckoo> shaulkr: cheers :)
[22:34] <blkhawk> ReggieUK: that would actually be retarded to code
[22:34] <trevorman> not actually tried making it transcode though but I probably should
[22:35] <blkhawk> that reminds me
[22:35] <the_cuckoo> trevorman: prefer command line for my video editing requirements :D
[22:35] <trevorman> sleep(ANNOY_BLKHAWK_TIMER);
[22:35] <trevorman> the_cuckoo: it is commandline
[22:35] <blkhawk> anyone tried dvbt with a raspberry yet?
[22:35] <the_cuckoo> trevorman: ah - no gui involved? could be interesting then
[22:35] <trevorman> you can have VLC completely headless and controlled via the console or web
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[22:36] <the_cuckoo> yeah, have used the web controller before - was a bit flaky back then though - am sure it's improved
[22:36] <blkhawk> trevorman: that would suggest a frightening amount of foreknowlege and planning on whoever made omxplayer
[22:36] <trevorman> it is pretty annoying to compile though from scratch so hope that all the bits you need are in the prebuilt binaries
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[22:37] <the_cuckoo> trevorman: shaulkr: anyway, once done, you can create an m3u which lists your stuff and throw that in your openelec storage partition and select from the ui
[22:37] <trevorman> kk. will try
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[22:37] <trevorman> thanks!
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[22:37] <RickPi7> hi guys
[22:38] <the_cuckoo> trevorman: no problems :)
[22:38] <RickPi7> i had an order code offered to get an raspi from rs-online but i don't know the url to enter it
[22:38] <RickPi7> can anyone enlighten me?
[22:38] <RickPi7> :)
[22:38] <the_cuckoo> oh and if you could let me know what you use to generate h264 (if indeed you manage), let me know :)
[22:39] <blkhawk> a
[22:39] <praest76> Hmmm. I have a DVTB stickin a laptop ba somewhere. Didn't think to try it with the Pi. Assumed it wouldn't work.
[22:39] <blkhawk> I use ffmpeg to generate h264
[22:39] <blkhawk> i don't see why not -aside from the decoding the mpeg2 stream problem
[22:40] <the_cuckoo> blkhawk: yeah - that's what i would do too - only my stoopid ubuntu box doesn't have ffmpeg with libx264
[22:40] <the_cuckoo> can't be arsed trying to build it tonight :)
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[22:40] <blkhawk> I thing the gpu can do it but i don't think the raspberry foundation has licenced that function
[22:40] <Owner> wut
[22:40] <Owner> ubuntu is perfect
[22:40] <trevorman> RickPi7: it should be in the email
[22:40] <praest76> Owner: Alost#
[22:40] <the_cuckoo> Owner: :)
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[22:41] <RickPi7> trevorman, i was offered the code and the email address in a forum but he hasn't come back to me with the url so i am stuck :)
[22:41] <trevorman> RickPi7: oh right. its http://authenticate.rsdelivers.com
[22:41] <trevorman> the site looks really shoddy and bad but that really is it
[22:41] <trevorman> RS contracted it out to somebody else and thats what they made -.-
[22:41] <RickPi7> awesome, really excited here. cheers mate!
[22:42] <blkhawk> trevorman: it works
[22:42] <praest76> I'm trying 12.04 or the3 first time since 11.04 this weekend. Still not sold on unity.
[22:42] <the_cuckoo> unity was the first thing i kicked out
[22:42] <blkhawk> and considering that farnell send out my raspbery last week and it hasn't gotten here yet
[22:43] <blkhawk> and rs online shipped it to me in 18 hours from the uk
[22:43] <blkhawk> 18 hours!
[22:43] <praest76> i have Ubuntu on another machine that has been running gnome-shell for a year. Still, wante to give it the beneft of the doubt. Alan Pope and Jono Bacon keep ravin abut it.
[22:44] <blkhawk> that site looks mightly good compared
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[22:44] <blkhawk> praest76: welll if the pope says its good
[22:44] <blkhawk> it has to be!
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[22:45] <blkhawk> besides everybody loves bacon
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[22:45] <praest76> I waited two month my Pi from Farell. then got invite to order from RS. Got two in the post the post last week.
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[22:46] <praest76> As Pope and Bacon both work for Canonical they may be a touch biased.
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[22:48] <Owner> praest76~# in the future we will all smudge glass
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> new firefox. Hm. wonder what bloat it'll come with this time...
[22:48] * Owner huggles his firefox 3.6
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[22:51] <shaulkr> \
[22:51] <trevorman> Owner: ff 3.6 isn't supported now
[22:51] <trevorman> mozilla stopped back in april
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[22:52] <Owner> ive never once had to call mozilla for firefox support
[22:52] <trevorman> you've been getting updates though
[22:53] <Owner> nah
[22:53] <trevorman> you won't get any new ones now
[22:53] <Owner> i dont update
[22:53] <trevorman> not even within 3.6?
[22:53] <trevorman> have fun with all those security holes
[22:53] <Owner> eh i might be running the latest on some systems
[22:53] <praest76> Owner: What are you talking about? We smudge glass now.
[22:53] <Owner> im not scared of security holes not in the least
[22:53] <trevorman> k. good to know
[22:54] <Owner> on unpatched winxp sp2 :D
[22:54] <praest76> I work on a suport helpline. Last thing I'd ever do is call a support helpline for support.
[22:54] <Owner> have you tried turning it off and on again?
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[22:55] <praest76> Owner: 90% of my calls..
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[22:55] <blkhawk> ya
[22:55] <blkhawk> when have you last called say - microsoft
[22:55] <praest76> "I think a power-cycle may help."
[22:55] <Owner> i called microsoft when i was like 16
[22:56] <Owner> and they actually fixed my problem
[22:56] <trevorman> blkhawk: few months ago. we've got a support contract with them at work.
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[22:56] <blkhawk> ah
[22:56] <trevorman> as a home user? never
[22:56] <Matt> VMware support are pretty good
[22:56] <praest76> 90% of my cals I think "Why didn't you just oogle this problem?"
[22:56] <Matt> and Dell's enterprise support arent bad
[22:56] <trevorman> its generally not worth calling anyway as it'll turn out to be some obscure bug that won't get a patch anytime soon or its a bug with some third party component
[22:56] <praest76> s/oogle/google
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[22:57] <Gadgetoid> Turning off f.lux is an interesting experience, tantamount to looking directly into the sun
[22:57] <haltdef> true words
[22:57] <blkhawk> ah
[22:57] <blkhawk> that reminds me
[22:57] <trevorman> praest76: same reason people ask questions that are in the FAQ. it is less effort for them to ask than to actually go hmm maybe I should read that
[22:57] <blkhawk> venus transit tomorrow at 5
[22:57] <praest76> If it's a simple issue yu could fix it wth a Google, i it's a bug you need to report it and not cal tech support.
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[22:59] <praest76> I work in Enterprise support. These people aren't paid read FAQs.
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[23:00] <praest76> I love Linux: "Turn off the app that's causing the issue and restart that."
[23:00] <praest76> Easy to support.
[23:00] <praest76> That's how you get four figure uptimes.
[23:00] <ReggieUK> blkhawk, transit of venus starts in about an hour doesn't it?
[23:01] <ReggieUK> for those countries with daylight
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[23:01] <blkhawk> ya but only the last hour or so is visible here in frankfurt
[23:01] <ReggieUK> uk we should see it about 5.30am i think
[23:01] <the_cuckoo> ReggieUK: which channels are they showing it on?
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[23:01] <ReggieUK> no idea
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[23:01] <praest76> This 'Pi is runnng ok. I' curious to see how long I can have it running before a power cycle.
[23:02] <frankivo> hmm, highlite on frankfurt :')
[23:02] <frankivo> -gh
[23:02] <arthurdent> why would you have to powercycle it?
[23:02] <blkhawk> ya
[23:02] <Owner> is he running ubuntu?
[23:02] <blkhawk> keep it running for decades
[23:02] <reider59> just trying sound on mine now, not tried it up to this point. It.s not too bad
[23:02] <praest76> arthurdent: Because your girlfriend wants to change her phone?
[23:03] <the_cuckoo> ah - it's on bbc 2 scotland - great - i get that on my sat box :D
[23:03] <arthurdent> oh charge
[23:03] <the_cuckoo> which means i get it on my pi :p
[23:03] <arthurdent> yeah i can run mine until i need to charge my kindle...
[23:04] <praest76> Someone was asking about uptimes in the forums. Early day yet, but an see these things running for years.
[23:04] <nid0> both my pis are currently powered from my desktop so theyre up until I next have to restart that...
[23:04] <Owner> someday raspberry pi will get some real manufacturers jeezus
[23:04] <nid0> which, according to MS's schedule, should be next weds
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[23:05] <Owner> 'farnell' sounds like something i do on the toilet
[23:05] <blkhawk> lol
[23:05] <blkhawk> indeed
[23:05] <frankivo> I'd like to flush farnell
[23:05] <blkhawk> element5
[23:06] <blkhawk> sounds like 5th element
[23:06] <neofutur> Owner: +1 , and perhaps real distributors too . . .
[23:06] <Owner> i got plus oned like 5 times today, im a star
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[23:08] <neu_genes> hi, everybody. i'm sorry that i'm interrupt you, but could anybody tell me a channel for English Language learners? may be somebody knows...
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[23:09] <gmjhowe> apart from their site taking a lot of hammer, had no qualms with RS at all.
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[23:12] <bolosaur> does anyone here live in detroit or wayne?
[23:13] <praest76> RS had nicer boxes than Farnell
[23:13] <trevorman> the RS one looks like its packaged better. the one I got from Farnell was just stuck inside a little cardboard with no foam
[23:14] <praest76> trevorman: I'm lucky my dog didn't get it.
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[23:15] <trevorman> heh. the dog my parents used to have would routinely destroy anything that got pushed through the letter box. everything would have at least 1 really hard bite mark
[23:15] * praest76 power-cycles his OpenElec Pi
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[23:16] <Gadgetoid> Dog, eats Pi.
[23:16] <praest76> trevorman: Our snaps items and then hides 'em in the wardrobe or under the bed.
[23:16] <praest76> I get most of my mail sent to work now.
[23:17] <trevorman> okay that'd be annoying. lose stuff and then when you do find it again its all torn or broken :)
[23:17] <Gadgetoid> How many digits does one have to memorise Pi to in order to be considered cool?
[23:17] <SpeedEvil> All of them.
[23:17] <praest76> She ate a cheque for ??240
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[23:18] <Gadgetoid> 3.1415926535893238462643383279502884197 ....uuuh
[23:18] <praest76> She ate a cheque for ??3.14
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> Anyway.
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> It's 10. In base pi.
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[23:20] <praest76> A friend had Pi to four significant numbers as the pin for his alarm system. He was confident none of the thieves inn his area would know that.
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[23:20] <r00t|home> then he came home and his house was empty?
[23:21] <praest76> Nope. He was right.
[23:21] <praest76> Or he has very feirce cats.
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[23:23] <praest76> I'm still the only member.
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[23:23] <praest76> It makes me look a bit sad.
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[23:23] <praest76> Anyone else use last.fm?
[23:24] <ShiftPlusOne> gah.... of all the days to be cloudy, it had to be today. So much for the transit of venus =(
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[23:26] <ReggieUK> got a few hours yet though haven't you ShiftPlusOne?
[23:26] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
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[23:26] <trevorman> praest76: used to when I still used spotify. not really now though
[23:26] <ShiftPlusOne> should start in about 2 and a half hours I think, but it's unlikely that anything will be seen.
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[23:27] <SpeedEvil> I would be really surprised if anything can be seen from here in a couple of hours :)
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> ...will begin at 22:09 UTC on 5??June 2012, and will finish at 04:49 UTC on 6??June.
[23:27] <ShiftPlusOne> night time?
[23:27] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> yes
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> So under an hour till the start.
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[23:28] <ShiftPlusOne> if it wasn't cloudy, the entire transit would be visible here.
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[23:31] <wizkid057> anyone know of a good AC current meter ciruit using a clamp on CT?
[23:31] <praest76> trevorman: I got six free months with Virginmedia on Spotify. Think I might keep it. I haven't tried despotify yet. Be nice nif it works on ARM.
[23:32] <praest76> OpenElec will scrobble to last.fm and libre.fm though.
[23:32] <praest76> Anyone using OpenElec?
[23:32] <the_cuckoo> me
[23:33] <trevorman> praest76: its nice but wasn't worth the premium sub for the rare times I did actually want to use it mobile
[23:33] <praest76> It's brilliant.
[23:33] <the_cuckoo> praest76: indeed :) - having a lot of fun with it myself
[23:34] <trevorman> in the end I just stopped the subscription completely instead of jsut dropping down one
[23:34] <praest76> trevorman: To bw honest, as nice as Spotify is, I listen to most music on Subsonic from my own colection.
[23:34] <trevorman> no sub is useless also because of all the stupid limits
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[23:34] <trevorman> yeah. I just switched to listening to my own music
[23:35] <trevorman> figured spending 10 a month on spotify wasn't worth it when I could just buy an album every month instead
[23:35] <praest76> java is a bit sluggish but for one user it's fine.
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[23:36] <praest76> I'm running Subsonic on this Pi. irssi is a bonus.
[23:36] <praest76> Subsonic is amazing.
[23:36] <daxroc> Can you reboot from openelec ?
[23:38] <praest76> daxroc: I've successfully rebooted from no distro on a Pi, but xbmc.bin restarts when killed.
[23:38] <praest76> Which helps withn the media scanning issues.
[23:39] <daxroc> ah saturdays nightly does reboot. the stable doesn't (I think)
[23:39] <trevorman> heh. I've never had XBMC actually work properly when scanning
[23:39] <trevorman> it always crashes or restarts itself. not just on the RPi
[23:39] <praest76> Not happy with the inability to change main user.
[23:39] <trevorman> main user?
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[23:40] <praest76> I've alway6s had XBMC issue3s when scanning my music collection. According to the Pi logs it doesn't like some jpg cover files.
[23:41] <trevorman> XBMC always dies when scanning my DVD collection even though I ripped and transcoded everything myself using the same version of handbrake
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[23:41] <trevorman> if I start it again then it continues for a bit and then falls over again. need to do that 2-3 times. the spot it breaks at isn't the same if I run it again.
[23:41] <praest76> trevorman: I've read that back and I'm not sure what I meant by 'main user'
[23:42] <trevorman> the openelec user?
[23:42] <trevorman> you're not actually supposed to be logging into openelec. the SSH daemon is supposed to be off normally
[23:42] <praest76> trevorman: I just log in to check the... erm... logs.
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[23:44] <praest76> It sticks on some albums. I delete then cover.jpg. Restart. It continues.
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[23:45] <daxroc> trevorman: strange, I'm using a central library here (mysql) So I scan on a decent computer and it's on all then. The interface is very snappy on the nightly I have to say
[23:45] <praest76> In my OpenELEC I think SSH was on.
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[23:46] <praest76> daxroc: What size is your collection?
[23:46] <daxroc> 1.5TB roughly
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[23:46] <praest76> Samwe as mine. Hmm.
[23:46] <trevorman> daxroc: hm weird
[23:47] <praest76> It seems to freeze on some albums dirs.
[23:48] <praest76> Deleting any jpgs in said dir seems to clear the problem on the next scan.
[23:49] <daxroc> Any issues I had with stability were gone when I switched to an rs power supply tho. Interface was sticky, keypress were being duplcated / sticking even tho voltage across tp1,2 was 4.9v
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[23:50] <jamesglanville> 3d printed cases anyone? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270990835208 I can do black/red/blue/pink, soon green/white
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> Can you do edible raspberry flavour ones?
[23:51] <gmjhowe> I would prefer having nylon bolts or some such rather than zip ties.
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> nylon bolts are cheap
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[23:51] <jamesglanville> gmjhowe: I have some m3 bolts now, I really need to update the listing, but i've only got metal bolts right now, and they're a bit long
[23:52] <gmjhowe> There are a lot of people doing cases, so having a nice finished package that is just right will do well.
[23:52] <jamesglanville> SpeedEvil: I can do ones that you /can/ eat if you have very strong teeth :)
[23:52] <nid0> sadly no-one's doing multiple-pi cases :(
[23:52] <jamesglanville> yeah i plan to add them, in the middle of my exams right now so no time
[23:52] <jamesglanville> nid0: what for?
[23:52] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/machine-screws/0527662/
[23:52] <jamesglanville> you could stack mine if you really wanted :P
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[23:53] <hamitron> doesn't the lego one stack?
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[23:53] <nid0> jamesglanville: i'm on the lookout for a decent looking case that can hold 5 pis in a small volume
[23:53] <hamitron> ;)
[23:53] <gmjhowe> nid0: I already said I would design/make one
[23:53] <gmjhowe> add it as the 3rd option of my case designs.
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> james's one, with a 125mm or so rod in each corner would work fine
[23:54] <gmjhowe> Working on a case that holds the pi vertically atm, could easily adapt it to fit 5 together.
[23:54] <nid0> gmjhowe: ah, I didnt know the "design" part of that was on offer as well, i've been vaguely looking at having a crack at designing one but i'm cack at CAD - if so thanks a bunch, would be very interested to see what you might be able to come up with
[23:54] <jamesglanville> nid0: if you had 5 of mine stacking on top, the case would be 170/70/150mm
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[23:54] <nid0> jamesglanville: yeah there are a few stackable options, but its not really ideal
[23:55] <Markavian> rpi froze again (every time I disconnect >:D)
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[23:55] <jamesglanville> ideally, I guess you'd want each one the other way around, and upside down, so the usb port isn't the limiting factor heightwise
[23:56] <hamitron> or you could just get 1 faster board that does everything you need
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[23:56] <nid0> i'm not sure how well it could be made to fit, I had a go at just stacking my pis various ways round and upside down/other way round doesnt really provide any benefit as the composite outputs hit each other, and total height ends up being the same as just having them the same way up/round
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[23:57] <jamesglanville> nid0: ah fair enough, in that case the minimum height for 5 is unlikely to be much smaller than 150mm tall I think
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> jamesglanville: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3mm-x-30-NYLON-PLASTIC-SCREW-M3-BOLT-NUT-WASHER-PACK-10-/250882040614?pt=UK_DIY_Material_Nails_Fixing_MJ&hash=item3a69bc2326 would make a nice add-on
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> (though they are vastly cheaper in larger quantities
[23:58] <nid0> jamesglanville: unless the case, for example, had them in a block of 4 (2x2 high) with a third centred, equalling twice the width but only 3 high
[23:58] <jamesglanville> SpeedEvil: thanks for pointing those out, i'll order some
[23:59] <nid0> or as gmjhowe suggested, having them stacked vertically on their side and 5 across, then its wide and deep but not very high
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