#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-06

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[0:40] <mythos> nice, my pi works
[0:41] <DaQatz> =)
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[0:47] <djkool> anyone here?
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[0:48] <Syliss> yup
[0:49] <djkool> has the default login changed in the new RC?
[0:49] <djkool> pi/raspberry doesn't appear to be working
[0:49] <arthurdent> can i run these raspi images easily in a VM?
[0:50] <trevorman> arthurdent: you can run it in qemu but I've never tried http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions#QEMU
[0:52] <arthurdent> what about virtualbox?
[0:52] <trevorman> no
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[0:53] <arthurdent> ah, x86 only, bummer
[0:53] <trevorman> its not an ARM emulator
[0:53] <arthurdent> i'll try qemu
[0:53] <arthurdent> i guess that'll help me get a better feel for actual raspi performance anyway :P
[0:53] <trevorman> ehhhh
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[0:54] <trevorman> can't compare performance of QEMU running an image and a real RPi
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[0:54] <arthurdent> because
[0:54] <arthurdent> ?
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[0:54] <haltdef> an x86 core emulating an arm core is far, far faster than an actual arm core
[0:54] <trevorman> because your CPU isn't a BCM2835 at 700MHz with 256MB RAM and a VideoCore GPU?
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[0:54] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: slower.
[0:55] <haltdef> srs?
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> yes
[0:55] <arthurdent> i guess i'll see later when i try it
[0:55] <trevorman> emulating other architectures is generally slow to really slow compared to the real thing
[0:55] <haltdef> I could run qemu on my 4ghz i7 and the pi would outperform it?
[0:55] <SpeedEvil> Probably.
[0:55] <haltdef> :o
[0:55] <trevorman> idk how good the JIT is in QEMU
[0:56] <SpeedEvil> It's inherently a single-task problem
[0:56] <SpeedEvil> so multi-core doesn't help you much.
[0:56] <arthurdent> properly emulated NES requires a 3.4GHz core or something
[0:56] <trevorman> if its decent then you might find it to be faster at least once the JIT has kicked in and done its work the first time
[0:56] <SpeedEvil> Unless lots of work goes into it.
[0:56] <trevorman> either way, its not a good representation of real hardware
[0:57] <trevorman> especially if you're trying to target a specific device
[0:57] <trevorman> running rpi images on qemu is purely for development and testing. you don't have the GPU either so anything which needs HW accel or OpenGL will need a real RPi
[0:58] <plugwash> mmm, for development qemu in user mode is probablly better than qemu in system mode
[0:58] <plugwash> because it avoids the cost of emulating perhipherals lets you use lots of ram
[1:01] <djkool> has anyone have any issues actually logging in with the default creds?
[1:01] <djkool> do I just have a bad image?
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[1:09] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=7496&p=92825#p92825
[1:11] <Cheery> told my opinion about open source
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[1:13] <mythos> hmm... the sdcard is a real bottleneck
[1:14] <Matt_P> really ?
[1:14] <mythos> in my opionion: yes
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[1:14] <mythos> *opinion
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[1:15] <mythos> so... what ist the rpi-update (firmware) for?
[1:15] <arthurdent> that's not really something you can be opinionated about...
[1:15] <arthurdent> i mean you can have an opinion, but an opinion is never an answer to "really?"
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[1:17] <mythos> so 4mb/s readperformance is not a bottleneck?
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[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> arthurdent, you win 5 pedantry points! =D
[1:18] <arthurdent> wooo
[1:18] <arthurdent> that sounds like a nice way of saying internet-douche points
[1:18] <ratherDashing> anyone get this error: DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
[1:19] <ratherDashing> i get it now that i plug in my external self powered usb drive
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> arthurdent, nuh, not at all.
[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ratherDashing, yup
[1:19] <GabrialDestruir_> Wth, another cannibal attack?
[1:19] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
[1:19] <arthurdent> its bath salts dude
[1:19] <arthurdent> chinese zombie drugs
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[1:20] <GabrialDestruir_> Apparently a Canadian Porn Star killed his gay lover and dismembered and ate him, while sending other remains to politicians.
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[1:20] <IT_Sean> O_o
[1:20] <ShiftPlusOne> at least he was considerate enough to share
[1:21] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
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[1:23] <GabrialDestruir> Blink... an athiest Boy Scout? Blasphemy!
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[1:24] <ShiftPlusOne> stone him!
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[1:25] <GabrialDestruir> Wonder how he got away with that one, last I remember you couldn't get your Eagle badge unless you believed in a higher power.
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[1:27] <ShiftPlusOne> insanity
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[1:27] <IT_Sean> What the hell are you on about?
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[1:36] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies#Position_on_atheists_and_agnostics
[1:36] <IT_Sean> ahh
[1:36] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
[1:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Now I'll never be a boy scout! ='(
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[1:40] <GabrialDestruir> You'll never be one regardless unless you just happen to be a 13 year old boy .-.
[1:40] <IT_Sean> :p
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[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought the sarcasm was implied. >.>
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[1:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> I just tilted forward the screen to light the keys on my backlit keyboard... HURRAH!
[1:43] <GabrialDestruir> Your sarcasm was met with cold hard reality..... YOU'RE OLD!
[1:43] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[1:43] <IT_Sean> backlit keyboard FTW
[1:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> Being old isn't so bad, you don't have to cry for lego anymore, you just have to do the dishes
[1:43] <blkhawk> whats the best way to display a splash screen while booting?
[1:44] <ShiftPlusOne> =(
[1:45] <ShiftPlusOne> blkhawk, the way openelec does it, hang on.
[1:45] <blkhawk> google says bootsplash but thats ancient
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently there are a new species of spider, that will hunt down and attack humans.
[1:45] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[1:45] <ShiftPlusOne> all ways are going to be ancient, afaik splash screens don't catch on.
[1:45] <SpeedEvil> SpiderPig
[1:45] <Syliss> i still don't see the point of a backlit keyboard
[1:45] <Syliss> never needed it
[1:46] <blkhawk> Syliss: depends oin what color your keyboard has
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't they all?
[1:46] <blkhawk> a black keyboard is unusuable in the dark :P
[1:46] <SpeedEvil> Me neither.
[1:46] <GabrialDestruir> Bah backlit keyboards are so 2005
[1:46] <SpeedEvil> blkhawk: Wrong!
[1:46] <IT_Sean> Um... so you can see the keys in the dark?
[1:46] <blkhawk> yes
[1:46] <Syliss> blkhawk really? i don't need to see my keys
[1:46] <SpeedEvil> blkhawk: I am at the moment using a black keyboard, with no lights on in the room.
[1:46] <SpeedEvil> blkhawk: Underneath the blankets.
[1:46] <blkhawk> ah
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> blkhawk, https://launchpad.net/plymouth is the way openelec does it. It uses fbset to set the resolution first and then displays the splash
[1:47] <blkhawk> well not everybody learned to type properly
[1:47] <Syliss> but i also touch type
[1:47] <blkhawk> ahty
[1:47] <SpeedEvil> I love my IBM keyboard with trackpoint
[1:47] <Syliss> i taught myself
[1:47] <blkhawk> Syliss: when did you teach yourself and how?
[1:47] <SpeedEvil> Means the blanket doesn't get in the way of the mouse
[1:48] <Syliss> well I'm 27 and have been doing it since 12ish
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/maximus/
[1:48] <GabrialDestruir> This is where it's at :p
[1:48] <Syliss> i hid my keyboard under my desk
[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne> blkhawk, https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/blob/master/packages/initramfs/sysutils/busybox-initramfs/scripts/init lines 332-343
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[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> gah, I read taught as touch and the rest of the conversation went downhill.
[1:49] <Syliss> sicko
[1:49] <Syliss> lulz
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> In my defense I was busy looking up plymouth.
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[1:49] <GabrialDestruir> Fully customizable keyboard, each key is a little screen type thing, which allows you to reprogram all the keys however you want.
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[1:50] <ShiftPlusOne> stupidest thing I've seen
[1:50] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, we use plymouth-lite, which is a higly stripped down plymouth
[1:50] <Syliss> i like that keyboard GabrialDestruir
[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, nice, thanks.
[1:51] <GabrialDestruir> It's a really nice idea.... but last I checked, that type of keyboard costs you a grand.
[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> The keyboard is fine, the price makes it stupid.
[1:51] <Syliss> yep
[1:51] <Syliss> well be back later
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[1:51] <SpeedEvil> In principle you could do it a lot cheaper with a screen, and some fibre bundles
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> 1,086USD for their compact version
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> I guess that's the price of cusomizability.
[1:52] <ShiftPlusOne> or the price of buying a keyboard with a 'cast'
[1:53] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, this package comes originally from Moblin/Meego you can download this here: http://sources.openelec.tv/devel/plymouth-lite-0.6.0.tar.bz2 and the buildscript and patches you find here https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/tree/master/packages/initramfs/sysutils/plymouth-lite
[1:53] <ShiftPlusOne> blkhawk, ^
[1:53] <GabrialDestruir> lol that too.
[1:53] <GabrialDestruir> You could probably build a cheaper one by getting rid of all the keys and just doing a touch keyboard type thing...
[1:54] <djkool> has anyone else seen a kernel panic after the Raspbmc install?
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[1:55] <blkhawk> thanks
[1:55] <blkhawk> reading now
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[1:56] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder why ubuntu went with pangolin, instead of the highly obvious penguin
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[1:59] <ShiftPlusOne> didn't want to be too obvious?
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[2:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Pangolin is the animal of choice for several reasons. 1. It is secure because of its scaly armour. 2. It loves eating bugs (well ants but you get it...) 3. It's an endangered species and while the opposite might be said of Ubuntu it would be nice to give this special animal some recognition.
[2:04] <ShiftPlusOne> as you can see, the reasons are threefold.
[2:05] <trevorman> the reason is simpler than that
[2:05] <trevorman> mark shuttleworth saw one when he was on vacation
[2:05] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[2:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Who's to say he hasn't seen a penguin as well?
[2:06] <trevorman> ShiftPlusOne: he actually stated that as the reason. its on his blog somewhere
[2:06] <trevorman> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784 "Now, I?ve recently spent a few hours tracking a pangolin through the Kalahari. I can vouch for their precision ? there wasn?t an ant hill in the valley that he missed."
[2:07] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't doubt that's the actual reason. The thing I pasted was just from the suggestions.
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[2:16] <mythos> has someone tried audio-out with raspbian?
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[2:29] <bbeattie> mythos: yes
[2:29] <bbeattie> you also having problems with the audio driver crashing?
[2:29] <mythos> bbeattie, i don't see the chip recognized in /proc/asound
[2:30] <bbeattie> modprobe bcm... um, sec
[2:30] <bbeattie> modprobe snd_bcm2835
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[2:31] <bbeattie> do me a favor and test playing some wav files with sox and/or aplay and see if the kernel driver crashes as well
[2:31] <bbeattie> send me a private message (going afk) if after 4-10 attempts if you no longer can play sound files
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[2:32] <mythos> ok
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[2:33] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[2:33] <SSilver2k2> so i got mame compiled / installed :)
[2:34] <SSilver2k2> what i thought were compiler issues, just need to set my video device in the config since im using a tv
[2:35] <ShiftPlusOne> tried it out yet?
[2:35] <trevorman> SSilver2k2: mame on the rpi would be pretty cool. guess you'd be limited to the older games but there are hundreds of those anyway so not too bad :)
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[2:35] <SSilver2k2> i used to own an arcade
[2:36] <SSilver2k2> i have a garage full of the big games
[2:36] <SSilver2k2> so seeing it on the little device is awesome :)
[2:36] <trevorman> now you can replace it with a really really small one >.>
[2:36] <SSilver2k2> bubble bobble played perfectly
[2:36] <SSilver2k2> galaga had hiccups
[2:36] <SSilver2k2> small slowdown
[2:36] <SSilver2k2> pacman played great as did 1942
[2:36] <trevorman> ah. wonder if there is anything we could tweak
[2:36] <trevorman> you running at the default 700mhz?
[2:37] <SSilver2k2> yep
[2:37] <trevorman> you can try overclocking slightly to 800mhz which all rpis should be able to do. won't void any warranty so long as you don't overvolt
[2:37] <SSilver2k2> im going to stick to 700mhz for as long as possible
[2:37] <trevorman> kk
[2:37] <SSilver2k2> but i do want to try overclocking
[2:38] <SSilver2k2> id actually love to package the compiled program into a .deb but ive never done that
[2:38] <SSilver2k2> right now i have the whole folder copied over to my dev machine for a backup
[2:38] <trevorman> what you rendering to? SDL or X?
[2:38] <SSilver2k2> i was able to just scp it to a fresh install, and then do make install
[2:38] <SSilver2k2> SDL
[2:39] <SSilver2k2> havent tried running it in X, though im fairly certain it should run
[2:39] <trevorman> it'll probably be slower
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[2:46] <mythos> bbeattie, the onboard-chip does not work. but i got my usb-soundcard to work (even with pulseaudio) =D
[2:46] <SSilver2k2> trevorman: dont doubt it. i really want dodonpachi to work well, then ill be happy
[2:47] <trevorman> never heard of that one. google!
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[2:47] <SSilver2k2> its a really fun shmup if you are a fan of 1942/ galaga / rtype like games
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[2:49] <trevorman> yeah. played quite a few :) looks interesting and fun
[2:50] <SSilver2k2> anyone need an RS order code? i already got my RPI from element14, dont need to order one from RS now
[2:51] <blkhawk> soo is there a mame bin for raspberry already?
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[2:53] <SSilver2k2> not a .deb
[2:53] <SSilver2k2> i have the compiled folder, its 200MB, compressed to 60MB
[2:53] <SSilver2k2> i could send it to you, or you can compile it yourself
[2:53] <blkhawk> ah i have a vm set up
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[2:54] <chris_99> 200MB!
[2:54] <chris_99> does that include ROMS?
[2:55] <blkhawk> apparently not ;)
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[2:58] <chris_99> normally emulators are really small i thought
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[3:02] <SSilver2k2> MAME has a huge codebase
[3:02] <SSilver2k2> 200MB was the whole folder including src
[3:03] <SSilver2k2> not just the compiled binaries
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[3:09] <eyeris> I cannot find a straight answer as to which raspbmc image to download. The blog post says don't use the installer but the questions in the forum about what to download are all replied to by Sam saying "READ THE FAQ" and the FAQ says to use the installer. Wtf?
[3:09] <sraue> seems like a chicken egg problem?
[3:09] <eyeris> Exactly
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[3:11] <trevorman> use openelec >.>
[3:11] <sraue> :-)
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[3:30] <adamaze> just got my raspi and made the sd card and i cant get it to boot/show up on my monitor. can someone point to troubleshooting steps?
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[3:32] <trevorman> what LEDs are lit and do any of them blink?
[3:32] <trevorman> ignore the PWR one as that is permanently on anyway if the RPi has power
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[3:33] <adamaze> all i have is PWR
[3:33] <trevorman> you got another SD card to try?
[3:33] <trevorman> what did you put on the SD card?
[3:34] <adamaze> i used dd to put on the latest debiun build
[3:34] <adamaze> *debian
[3:34] <trevorman> from where?
[3:34] <adamaze> main download page. the checksum was good
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[3:35] <adamaze> *torrent from the main download page
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[3:35] <jocafa> my rpi just arrived :D
[3:35] <adamaze> if it was just my monitor messing up, would i get more than just the PWR LED?
[3:36] <trevorman> the debian image isn't that up to date. try updating the files from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[3:36] <trevorman> adamaze: you got ethernet plugged in?
[3:36] <adamaze> yup
[3:36] <trevorman> if its booting and you've got ethernet then those LEDs will light
[3:36] <trevorman> not booting = ethernet chip isn't initialised = none of those LEDs will light up
[3:37] <adamaze> also, when i pop the sd card back into my laptop, it isnt recognized
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[3:37] <trevorman> was it okay when you first wrote it?
[3:37] <adamaze> yup
[3:37] <adamaze> dmesg shows that i plugged it in
[3:38] <adamaze> i have actually tried two cards
[3:38] <trevorman> no partitions on it at all?
[3:38] <adamaze> well should it auto mount after?
[3:38] <trevorman> idk what distribution you're using
[3:39] <adamaze> ubuntu 12.04. it automounted when i first put it in, but i wasnt sure what would happen after i dd'ed the image onto it
[3:39] <trevorman> there should be at least 2 partitions on there. the first should be FAT and contain the bootfiles. the second and onwards will be the rest of the image like the root FS
[3:40] <trevorman> I have very little experience of Ubuntu so I've no idea
[3:40] <trevorman> you able to see how many partitions are on there?
[3:41] <plugwash> cat /proc/partitions
[3:41] <adamaze> not sure. it isnt mounted, and i dont see it with df
[3:42] <adamaze> cat /proc/partitions
[3:42] <adamaze> oops
[3:42] <adamaze> lol
[3:42] <plugwash> sometimes I've seen people screwup by dding the image to a partition rather than to the whole device
[3:42] <Ben64> is openelec worth it yet
[3:43] <adamaze> it is a weird device
[3:43] <Skrotus> jocafa: huzzah!
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> I need a domain name idea...
[3:43] <SSilver2k2> if you have access to a mac id reccomend raspiwrite
[3:43] <adamaze> /dev/mmcblk0
[3:43] <SSilver2k2> GabrialDestruir: for what
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[3:43] <jocafa> and??? that's about it. i don't have a power source at the moment. heh
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> for my free domain with domain.com when I get hosting :p
[3:44] <SSilver2k2> ugh
[3:44] <SSilver2k2> dont get a domain registered through your same host
[3:44] <adamaze> hmmmmm
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[3:44] <Skrotus> I'm using my phone's charger
[3:44] <adamaze> thanks plugwash , i think you just helped me with that
[3:44] <SSilver2k2> always keep your domain registrar and your hosting account seperate
[3:44] <Skrotus> which is kind of annoying because now I have no way to charge my phone
[3:44] <jocafa> what sort of phone?
[3:44] <SSilver2k2> that way if you decide to leave at any point they cant hold you ransom
[3:44] <Skrotus> samsung galaxy s
[3:44] <jocafa> i don't think i have any microusb cords anywhere
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[3:45] <GabrialDestruir> Well it's not exactly like they're giving me a no domain option, and the domain is free...
[3:45] <trevorman> pick a good registrar as well
[3:45] <trevorman> quite a lot of them are really sketchy and make it really hard to leave
[3:45] <jardiamj> Hi guys, I just have a little question, can somebody tell me how do I have to place my raspberrypi so the gpio layout matches the one on the wiki..
[3:46] <GabrialDestruir> My current registar is godaddy
[3:46] <trevorman> jardiamj: pin one is marked on the PCB
[3:46] <jocafa> think a current macbook pro usb port will output enough?
[3:46] <jardiamj> thanks trevorman..
[3:46] <jardiamj> I should look closer.. haha
[3:46] <adamaze> the main samsung chip on mine seems a bit discolored now that it has been on (just the text) seem normal?
[3:47] <trevorman> did you touch it?
[3:47] <adamaze> it is only very very slightly warm
[3:47] <trevorman> the text is laser engraved so it shouldn't change colour unless it physically gets dirty
[3:48] <adamaze> hmmm
[3:48] <jocafa> adamaze: you're not supposed to lick it.
[3:48] <adamaze> lol
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[3:49] <GabrialDestruir> apparently domain.com has changed their shopping experience some .-.
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[3:54] <Decepshun> anyone here familiar with the Openelec XBMC for raspi?
[3:54] <GabrialDestruir> AYe
[3:54] <GabrialDestruir> Aye*
[3:55] <Decepshun> it wont play the videos.....does it only recognize certain video files?
[3:55] <Decepshun> otherwise...everything else is working
[3:55] <sraue> Decepshun, which build you use?
[3:55] <trevorman> what codec
[3:55] <GabrialDestruir> Like you try to play a video and get no video, or it refuses to play completely?
[3:56] <trevorman> MPEG2 files did that when I tested a while back. Not tried since.
[3:56] <Decepshun> it just refuses and I get a error
[3:56] <trevorman> I think RMVB did something weird as well
[3:56] <Decepshun> the log just looks like a bunch of videos modes
[3:56] <GabrialDestruir> Then I'd answer sraue's question.
[3:56] <Decepshun> lemme look
[3:57] <Decepshun> OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20120603125323-r11212
[3:58] <sraue> this should work with most videos... can you enable debugging in xbmc and try again, then paste /storage/.xbmc/temp/xbmc.log with "paste storage/.xbmc/temp/xbmc.log"?
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[4:00] <Decepshun> I am not that saavy with debugging...if I ssh into it can you guide me?
[4:00] <adamaze> yay my first successful raspi boot! thanks trevorman
[4:00] <trevorman> adamaze: what did you do to fix it?
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[4:01] <sraue> Decepshun, enable debugging via xbmc: system/settings/system/debugging
[4:01] <Decepshun> ah ok
[4:01] <Decepshun> lemme reboot
[4:01] <sraue> then try to play one or two such videos
[4:01] <sraue> then login via ssh
[4:01] <sraue> and run:
[4:02] <sraue> "paste storage/.xbmc/temp/xbmc.log
[4:02] <Decepshun> ok
[4:02] <sraue> oh without the quote
[4:02] <adamaze> trevorman: i dd'ed to /dev/mmcblk0p1 instead of /dev/mmcblk0
[4:02] <trevorman> ahh
[4:02] <trevorman> :)
[4:03] <trevorman> good to hear that its all working now
[4:04] <adamaze> is openssh-server not installed by default? i was hoping not to have to dig out a keyboard :-P
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[4:05] <Skrotus> debian has it installed but not enabled by default
[4:05] <adamaze> ah
[4:05] <Skrotus> you just have to rename a file in the boot partition
[4:06] <Skrotus> /boot/boot_enable_ssh.rc to /boot/boot.rc
[4:07] <Skrotus> worked for me
[4:07] <Skrotus> I don't have a tv or anything that will act as a display so I had to run it headless
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[4:09] <jocafa> woot, brother-in-law has a usbmicro cable
[4:10] <Decepshun> sraue: It won't let me ssh into it...
[4:10] <sraue> how you do this?
[4:10] <Decepshun> putty
[4:11] <Decepshun> worked with raspbmc...not with openelec tho
[4:11] <sraue> username/password: root/openelec ?
[4:11] <Decepshun> I can't even get a prompt
[4:11] <Decepshun> like ssh isn't enabled in openelec
[4:12] <sraue> it is normally... its the same ip you had with raspbmc? then you must remove the old key anywhere, i think
[4:13] <Decepshun> same ip
[4:13] <sraue> but not sure how you can remove the key with putty
[4:13] <sraue> you have a working network connection? a ping works?
[4:14] <Skrotus> putty will ask you if you want to update the key if it's changed
[4:14] <sraue> ok...
[4:14] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone have experience with justhost.com?
[4:14] <Decepshun> I can ping to it fine
[4:14] <adamaze> Skrotus: copying boot_enable_ssh.rc to boot.rc didnt seem to work for me :(
[4:15] <sraue> Decepshun, your cmdline.txt on the first partition of the sdcard, how this looks?
[4:16] <Decepshun> boot=/dev/mmcblk0p1 disk=/dev/mmcblk0p2 nosplash
[4:16] <sraue> ah thats why, add "ssh" there too
[4:17] <sraue> and maybe "quiet"
[4:17] <Decepshun> after nosplash?
[4:17] <sraue> yes
[4:17] <sraue> dont matter
[4:17] <sraue> the same line
[4:17] <Skrotus> no idea adamaze, all I did was rename that file and then when I booted ssh was working
[4:17] <adamaze> Skrotus: cool. well thanks
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[4:19] <Decepshun> still get teh connection refuse error in putty :|
[4:19] <Decepshun> cmon pi...y u no play nice?
[4:19] <SSilver2k2> adamaze: have you tried manually starting ssh
[4:20] <SSilver2k2> once logged in, type: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
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[4:22] <adamaze> i was trying to not find a usb keyboard to use :-P
[4:22] <adamaze> but it oudns like i might have to
[4:22] <SSilver2k2> http://www.amazon.com/Combination-XBOX-360-PC-PS3-Wii/dp/B004CSXY9K
[4:22] <SSilver2k2> im so picking this up
[4:22] <adamaze> when i remounted the sd card in ubuntu,it said something about a bad superblock, so im dd-ing it again to start over
[4:23] <adamaze> SSilver2k2: oooooh nice
[4:23] <sraue> Decepshun, try to play a video with debugging enabled and then look via the "Logfiles" samba share if you have a compressed logfile there
[4:24] <jocafa> stupid apple quarantine flag
[4:24] <SSilver2k2> gnight all
[4:24] <Skrotus> night
[4:24] <Decepshun> I am totally new to this...not sure what you are saying: "Logfiles" samba share if you have a compressed logfile there
[4:25] <Decepshun> I am connecting to a drobo fs via SMB
[4:25] <Decepshun> I am wonder if I should just use droboapps and use Fuppes
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[4:28] <sraue> Decepshun, you use windows on your main pc? then browse the Network folders, there should be a openelec system with many shares, one is called "Logfiles"
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[4:30] <Decepshun> I am looking at the movie share that I have xbmc pointed to and there is no openelec directories
[4:31] <Decepshun> it's the only share I have connected until I get this working
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[4:31] <sraue> Decepshun, you use windows?
[4:31] <Decepshun> yeah...win7
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[4:32] <sraue> then go via the filemanager to the netwok locations, there should be a openelec device or point directly with "\\<ipadress>" via the explorer
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[4:34] <Decepshun> ok...now that's odd...the drobo-fs doesn't show up in my network devices...but the share does "my computer"
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[4:35] <adamaze> yay my first kernel panic
[4:35] <adamaze> lol
[4:35] <Decepshun> oh wait sraue
[4:35] <Decepshun> nm
[4:35] <Decepshun> in media devices I see XBMC (openelec)
[4:36] <eggy> hm; is there a good way to find out what modules are built into the kernel/firmware?
[4:36] <sraue> thats maybe a different service, browse via windows file explorer to \\<ipadress>
[4:36] <eggy> I know it doesn't have iptables, so I'd guess it wouldn't have tun/tap either
[4:36] <Wolfram74> any of you guys catch the transit of venus?
[4:37] <Decepshun> on video yes :P
[4:37] <mute> eggy: debian? /lib/modules isn't populated?
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[4:38] <Decepshun> sraue: \\\\movies
[4:38] <eggy> might be -- I don't have my RPi infront of me, however
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[4:39] <sraue> \\\Logfiles
[4:39] <mute> eggy: oh you're right. some of it is compiled-in.. i suppose you could inspect /proc/config.gz
[4:39] <eggy> yeah -- that'll do
[4:39] <mute> not very debian of them.
[4:40] <eggy> right, kernel is built separately as far as I am aware, as there seems to be several flavors.
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[4:42] <Decepshun> I dunno sraue: I have if figure out why I dont see my drobo listed in network devices but I see the share
[4:42] <adamaze> so plugging in my usb keyboard after the pi is booted causes a kernel panic, and if it is plugged in before boot, all i get is the kernel panic on boot. ideas?
[4:43] <jocafa> well, crap. no way of hooking up the pi to a display, and i have no ethernet cable hanging around
[4:43] <mute> Decepshun: i wasn't completely following, but i do believe it needs to run upnpd to be listed there
[4:43] <sraue> Decepshun, you see the lofiles share? is there a zipfile inside?
[4:43] <Decepshun> no sraue...I think I need to fix a network issue on my end first
[4:44] <sraue> ok
[4:44] <jocafa> is there any remaining way to tell if it boots?
[4:44] <Skrotus> I seem to have quite a lot of ethernet cables
[4:44] * jocafa = geekfail
[4:44] <Decepshun> and mute: I am just trying to find out why my drobo doesnt appear on my network devices in windows...
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[4:45] <kwixson> Yay! @Raspberry_Pi number 3 arrived today!. Woohoo! Okay now I'm done for a while.
[4:45] <eggy> three of them? -- Wha! I only have one, and that's enough for me :P
[4:45] <Skrotus> 3? hax
[4:46] <eggy> but they're high in demand... so.. yah
[4:46] <eggy> haven an extra can't hurt ;)
[4:46] <Skrotus> I want a second one to play with, my first one is busy
[4:46] <mute> i've not found enough to do with this 1 i've got
[4:46] <kwixson> One for school, one for me, one to loan.
[4:46] <Skrotus> and then perhaps a third one incase I break the second
[4:47] <kwixson> Didn't mean to get three to start. Just worked out that way because I wanted to be /really/ sure I got one at least.
[4:48] <Skrotus> I can understand getting 2 (RS and Farnell) but where did the third one come from?
[4:48] <neofutur> same question
[4:48] <kwixson> 2 from element14 ???
[4:49] <kwixson> Registered interest on 2/28, then found the super secret order link on 3/3, then eventually they responded to my request from 2/28
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[4:49] <kwixson> Er.. 29th I mean
[4:49] <neofutur> grrr a super secret order link i missed ;(
[4:50] * neofutur waited 2 or 3 months to order, now waiting for shipping
[4:50] <jocafa> well, it looks like it's booting??? power led is on, "ok" led is flashing with sd access
[4:51] <mute> the one which required the import s&h?
[4:51] <kwixson> Whenever that was that I stayed up until 3am hitting the refresh button
[4:52] <mute> that was a wasted night and a horrible day at work following =)
[4:52] <Decepshun> so anyway sraue
[4:53] <Decepshun> there is no \\drobo-fs\logfiles
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[4:53] <Decepshun> my windows was being mentally challenged and I had to beat it a bit
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[4:54] <jocafa> i guess that's all i can do with it for now haha
[4:54] <sraue> Decepshun, you have give openelec the hostname "drobo-fs" or what you mean with drobo-fs?
[4:55] <adamaze> jocafa: dont feel too down. i have a screen, but no keyboard, and i cant get ssh to work. lol
[4:55] <Decepshun> \\drobo-fs is the drobo network root
[4:56] <sraue> try \\openelec
[4:56] <Decepshun> it's not there
[4:56] <sraue> or use the ipadress
[4:56] <Decepshun> why hello there
[4:56] <Decepshun> now why didn't that show up before?
[4:56] <sraue> write it manually to the explorer
[4:57] <Decepshun> I did and it showed up
[4:57] <Decepshun> ok...going to logfiles now
[4:57] <sraue> is there a zipfile?
[4:58] <Decepshun> still thinking...it's being slow
[4:59] <Decepshun> it wont let me in that directory
[4:59] <Decepshun> I see all the folders tho
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[5:01] <Decepshun> now it wont even allow me access to \\openelec
[5:01] * Decepshun nukes computer area
[5:02] <sraue> network problems on rpi?
[5:02] <mute> "nuclear launch detected."
[5:03] <amelia_> :P
[5:03] <Skrotus> spawn more overlords
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[5:04] <mute> man my buddy told me last week he got the sc1 installed and we need to get a game going. nostalgia.. been too busy though
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[5:07] <jocafa> too bad i don't have a good way to do ip over usb at the moment
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[5:07] <Decepshun> anyone got a nifty program that will check network quality to each ip?
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[5:07] <jardiamj> yey... my first blinking led...
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[5:07] <Decepshun> anyone got a nifty program that will check network quality to each ip? (due to flood)
[5:07] <adamaze> now i can get ssh starting at boot, but now it doesnt start network...
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[5:08] <adamaze> aaaaaaand that is because im an idiot and unplugged the ethernet cable....
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[5:08] <Skrotus> lol adamaze
[5:09] <adamaze> yay, my first successful raspi login!
[5:09] <Skrotus> woo
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[5:09] <jocafa> adamaze: what distro?
[5:10] <adamaze> just the stock debian one on the raspi site
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[5:10] <jocafa> cool
[5:10] <eggy> i say try raspbian ;)
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[5:11] <adamaze> eggy: difference?
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[5:11] <jocafa> i dd'd the debian one to my sd card
[5:11] <mute> it's recompiled to utilize the floating point unit
[5:12] <eggy> difference is documented on their website
[5:12] <mute> debian has a armhf (hard float) target but it's for arm v7l
[5:12] <mute> so raspbian is recompiling everythings with v6l+vfp
[5:13] <eggy> yea.. optomized
[5:13] <adamaze> cool
[5:13] <jocafa> and no sd card image yet :(
[5:13] <eggy> for..?
[5:14] <mute> raspbian has 2 'unofficial' images.
[5:14] <mute> the pieces one expanded to 4GB i think
[5:14] <eggy> yeah -- i installed that one to an 8gb sd card and grew it to that size
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[5:15] <eggy> my 4gb sd was giving me all kinds of sd errors on my RPi <:
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[5:16] <eggy> 8gb one is working better
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[5:33] <Decepshun> ok sraue
[5:33] <Decepshun> I think I got my network issue resolved
[5:33] <Decepshun> but the folder logfiles is empty
[5:34] <sraue> can you press F5?
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[5:34] <sraue> it will be created on accessing this share, maybe it needs a bit
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[5:36] <Decepshun> cmon...now it denied me again
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[5:40] <Decepshun> just out of curiousity...hwo do I find out what workgroup I am in in windows7?
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[5:49] <GabrialDestruir> System Information
[5:49] <GabrialDestruir> Ctrl + Pause/Break
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[6:00] <hotwings> well, ups delivered my first rpi so im in the club now
[6:01] <Quietlyawesome94> I need to make a Punnet case
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[6:01] <hotwings> somehow its smaller than i expected, though im not sure why. i was expecting credit card size and thats about right
[6:06] <Foxhoundz> hotwings: congrats
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[6:07] <Foxhoundz> I trust you have the SD card and image prepped?
[6:07] <hotwings> i dont want to answer that
[6:07] <hotwings> its shameful
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[6:08] <hotwings> i'll be ready for some rpi'ing by the weekend ;\
[6:08] <Foxhoundz> Well
[6:09] <Foxhoundz> I guess I should show off my Pi!
[6:09] <Foxhoundz> http://foxhound.privatedns.org/
[6:09] <Foxhoundz> ( hosted on a Raspberry Pi)
[6:09] <hotwings> i thought i had a spare sdhc laying around, and a spare charger.. neither or which turned out to be true so i just ordered from newegg last yesturday
[6:09] <Foxhoundz> hotwings: it's funny, a lot of people were having issues with their SD card
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[6:10] <Foxhoundz> I took an old one out of my camera and tried it and worked the first time
[6:10] <Foxhoundz> I don't know if it's a class 10 card or not
[6:10] <Foxhoundz> But the read/write speed seems to be sufficient
[6:10] <hotwings> i ordered an 8gb class 6 that had 5 stars on newegg with like 500 reviews
[6:10] <neofutur> Foxhoundz: thanks for the link !
[6:11] <Foxhoundz> neofutur: No problem.
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[6:12] <neofutur> Foxhoundz: i m spreading the link on some irc channels to get you some load on the pi
[6:14] <Foxhoundz> This is going to be interesting
[6:14] <jocafa> responsive
[6:14] <Foxhoundz> there's not a lot of dynamic content so that's to be expected. I'll try installing a Wordpress blog on there and see how it goes
[6:21] <neofutur> Foxhoundz: I ll also tweet it now ;9
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[6:22] <neofutur> https://twitter.com/neofutur/status/210224644526051328
[6:22] <jocafa> put it on reddit or something heh
[6:22] <neofutur> anyone wanting to buzz around thpi , retweet ;)
[6:23] <jocafa> retwoted.
[6:24] <neofutur> Foxhoundz: if you have apache logs, i ll be interested in seeing the awstats later ;)
[6:24] <GabrialDestruir> I'm trying to remember why I stopped using Godaddy for hosting.
[6:24] <Dagger2> GabrialDestruir: because Godaddy
[6:24] * jocafa makes out with Linode
[6:25] <GabrialDestruir> That's not a
[6:25] * neofutur no more trusting linode since the bitcoinica hack
[6:26] <Dagger2> GabrialDestruir: their support of SOPA should be a good enough reason to drop them/keep them dropped
[6:26] <neofutur> https://twitter.com/neofutur/statuses/175494903424499712
[6:26] <Foxhoundz> will do
[6:26] <neofutur> linode admits the "incident"http://gw.gd/linode_hacked (incident meaning the theft of more than 200 000 $ worth of bitcoins
[6:27] <jocafa> well damn
[6:27] <neofutur> ( fyi )
[6:30] <GabrialDestruir> Eh I'm busy trying to find replacement hosting for dreamhost.
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[6:35] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxyoeGH7bes
[6:35] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[6:52] <neofutur> GabrialDestruir: I can recommend some hostings if needed
[6:53] <neofutur> ( I also left dreamhost months ago, and finally found good options, query me if interested )
[6:55] <GabrialDestruir> Well I had a year plan and that's up in a few days, so I'm looking for cheaper price alternatives.
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[6:57] <neofutur> as i said query me if interested
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[7:06] <Foxhoundz> neofutur: here are the stats so far http://foxhound.privatedns.org/awstats/awstats.pl
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[7:07] <neofutur> Foxhoundz: ah very slow now
[7:07] <neofutur> but probably a dns pb
[7:08] <neofutur> i can offer you a dns like h.gw.gd if needed ;)
[7:08] <Foxhoundz> it's the Pi ;(
[7:08] <GabrialDestruir> What exactly is bitcoin? .-.
[7:09] <neofutur> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki
[7:09] <neofutur> http://bitcoin.org/
[7:09] <neofutur> a p2p, free digital currency, with no central bank issuers able to do this : http://gw.gd/backed_or_not
[7:10] <Dagger2> GabrialDestruir: basically a version of Paypal with no central controlling entity
[7:12] <neofutur> more or less . . . paypal is not a currency, but yes you could describe it like this to make it very simple
[7:12] <neofutur> its a currency you can send and receive, without needing to use a bank or paypal . . .
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[7:13] <neofutur> and with no FED
[7:13] <neofutur> bitcoin users are those creting the money, no FED
[7:13] <neofutur> creating
[7:13] <GabrialDestruir> Well I'm looking at the VPS neofutur suggested, but I'm not quite sure the exchange rate or w/e.
[7:14] <neofutur> you can also pay with paypal
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[7:14] <rm> http://www.lowendbox.com/ check out this site for cheap VPSes
[7:15] <neofutur> its just a little bit cheaper if you pay with bitcoins
[7:17] <Dagger2> neofutur: I'd say most people should be using it as a payment network rather than a currency at the moment though (that is, using it to send value around, not to store it) so it's a reasonable way of describing it to new users
[7:17] <neofutur> ( the two links i recommended accept bitcoin and paypal
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[7:17] <neofutur> and the two and run by IRC friends ;)
[7:17] <neofutur> and the two also have IRC support here on freenode
[7:18] <Dagger2> also, describing it as a currency always gets people up in arms about how it's not a real currency because the US government doesn't accept it for paying taxes :/
[7:18] <ewan> fucking taxes, man
[7:18] * ewan had to pay 12 large to the IRS ;_;
[7:18] <huene> Dagger2: does the us gvt accept any other currency than american dollars?
[7:19] <Dagger2> huene: no. only US dollars are real, anything else is fake
[7:19] <neofutur> http://gw.gd/backed_or_not
[7:19] <Dagger2> (or so some people on /. seem to think)
[7:19] <neofutur> is more dangerous than btcs ;)
[7:19] <huene> damnit, i never had real money than
[7:19] <huene> wondering how i got my pi :)
[7:19] <neofutur> this is official FEd data, and this is real mad
[7:21] <neofutur> right noe i think storing value in btc is better than storing value in usd
[7:22] <neofutur> ( if you are able to secure and backup your bitcoin wallet )
[7:22] <neofutur> mostly meaning "not using windows"
[7:23] <GabrialDestruir> These prices don't look as nice in USD xD
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[7:31] <neofutur> 6 $ is a good price for a good hosting, and a very good price for a reliable vps
[7:31] <Foxhoundz> Good god
[7:31] <Foxhoundz> the Pi is slow.
[7:32] <Foxhoundz> Even running small PHP scripts takes ages
[7:32] <neofutur> Foxhoundz: you made the trick to have faster Sd card ?
[7:32] <Foxhoundz> I guess it's to be expected
[7:32] <Foxhoundz> neofutur: I'll buy a class 10 soon and try again
[7:33] <Foxhoundz> More RaspberryPi stats: http://foxhound.privatedns.org/phpsysinfo/index.php?disp=dynamic
[7:33] <Foxhoundz> this one is generated on the fly
[7:33] <neofutur> probably due to low ram
[7:33] <neofutur> are you swapping ?
[7:34] <Foxhoundz> not that I know of
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[7:34] <neofutur> just type
[7:34] <neofutur> free
[7:34] <neofutur> on a shell
[7:34] <neofutur> will tell you ram and swap usage
[7:34] <Foxhoundz> nope
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[7:35] <Foxhoundz> I need a bigger SD card as well
[7:35] <Foxhoundz> is the phpsysinfo working for you, neofutur?
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[7:37] <SirFunk> Hey, just got my Pi today. running Arch. Is there a way to install packages from another computer? I need to get wifi tools on the sd card
[7:38] <bonelifer> SirFunk, ssh
[7:38] <SirFunk> I don't have ethernet
[7:38] <Foxhoundz> SirFunk: USB stick
[7:38] <rm> bring the SD card to another computer, mount it, put the files there
[7:39] <rm> now you will tell us you have no USB sticks
[7:39] <rm> and your other computer is Windows
[7:39] <rm> will you? :D
[7:39] <SirFunk> oh derp. I can just copy the .xzs :-P
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[7:40] <bonelifer> wonders if I still have phpsysinfo on my Pogoplug, probably not since I installed webmin, but still worth an ssh session to see....
[7:40] <SirFunk> also... isn't this supposed to have 256mb ram?
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[7:42] <Foxhoundz> SirFunk: the ram is shred with the CPU and GPU
[7:42] <neofutur> Foxhoundz: i could reach your phpsysinfo fter 2 mins waiting
[7:42] <neofutur> ram nearly full and no swap
[7:42] <SirFunk> folays_: 128 each?
[7:42] <neofutur> i d be interested in knowing what is using so much ram
[7:43] <neofutur> hosting on pi is probably possible by removing everything you dont need
[7:43] <neofutur> what is using most ram ?
[7:43] <neofutur> Foxhoundz: could you pastebin the result of ps aux ?
[7:44] <neofutur> imo this low ram is the weak point of the pi, 512 mb would have been so much better . . .
[7:44] <Dagger2> SirFunk: depends on whether you pick the GPU firmware with the 128/128 split, the 192/64 split or the 224/32 split
[7:44] <GabrialDestruir> Screw that, the Pi needs a gig
[7:44] <GabrialDestruir> at least
[7:44] <GabrialDestruir> Minecraft yo :p
[7:45] <bonelifer> lol I run apache2, mysql,php anampache on 128mb on a Pogoplug, with Crashplan backup.
[7:45] <neofutur> 512 and 1024 options
[7:45] <neofutur> but really 128 and 256 . . . is low
[7:45] <GabrialDestruir> There's only 256
[7:46] <SirFunk> Dagger2: ahh, i'll need to read more into that
[7:46] <Foxhoundz> neofutur: http://pastebin.com/yLTCe9Ub
[7:47] <Foxhoundz> it's apache
[7:47] <neofutur> /usr/sbin/rsyslogd uses 27 MB of ram ?
[7:47] <neofutur> /usr/sbin/hald 15 MB
[7:49] <neofutur> probably tuning mysql can help saving much ram
[7:49] <neofutur> or just ot using mysql on a pi
[7:49] <neofutur> not
[7:49] <bonelifer> also remove any modules that you don't need from apache
[7:49] <GabrialDestruir> use sqlite3?
[7:49] <neofutur> also creating less apache workers
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[7:55] <GabrialDestruir> free domain for life? Wonder if that's a "as long as you're hosting with us" life, or a "we really mean forever" life
[7:58] <Foxhoundz> I don't intend on running a web server for too long on the pi so it won't be much of a problem
[7:58] <Foxhoundz> either way, I'll leave the Pi on overnight and see how it goes in the morning
[7:58] <Foxhoundz> bye guys
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[8:00] <neofutur> GabrialDestruir: yup it means as long as you re hosted there
[8:03] <neofutur> GabrialDestruir: just told it to the owner of kalyhost, he agrees they have to fix that
[8:03] <neofutur> ( yes bitvps and kalyhost owners are on freenode geeks ;)
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[8:13] <GabrialDestruir> Error colors without error messages are annoying xD
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[8:38] <GabrialDestruir> Okay this seems like a very confusing system to exchange actual cash into bitcoins .-.
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[8:46] <Syliss> yay, found a clear case from a deck of playing cards that I'm going to cut for a pi case
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[8:46] <UnaClocker> Nice. I used an iPod touch clear case..
[8:47] <jardiamj> does anybody know about the status of the Gertboard?
[8:47] <UnaClocker> The "box" they ship them in, that is.
[8:47] <Skrotus> I made a cardboard one from that punnet thing, but it didn't turn out too good
[8:47] <Skrotus> I suck at cutting out circles
[8:47] <Syliss> yeah UnaClocker it was only 64 cents
[8:47] <steveccc> does anyone know of a good pi case supplier in the uk?
[8:48] <GabrialDestruir> Legos yo!
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[8:48] <jardiamj> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cases-and-covers-c-240_242.html
[8:49] <jardiamj> steveccc, ^^
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[8:52] <steveccc> jardiamj: thanks - what storage space is taken up by the default installation image?
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[8:55] <Syliss> those cases are rather expensive for 2 pieces of acrylic
[8:56] <steveccc> they are I suppose but if I had to buy the materials and make them I think it would take more than ??7 of effort and parts?\
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[8:57] <bonelifer> with the impending release of my RPi from it's warehouse/ups confinement, I think I'll head back over to shapeways to look at some cases.
[8:57] <bonelifer> not really keen on the two sheets of plexiglass look personally.
[8:58] <Skrotus> I like marcoa's one, but way too expensive
[8:58] <GabrialDestruir> 16USD for a lego case :p
[8:58] <GabrialDestruir> J/s
[9:00] <Syliss> js?
[9:00] <GabrialDestruir> Just saying
[9:01] <the_cuckoo> GabrialDestruir: yeah - there's a world wide shortage of lego - mostly caused by too many people buying pi's...
[9:01] <the_cuckoo> buy lego stock - going to go up :)
[9:01] <GabrialDestruir> Pi + Lego = Lego Brick shortage? xD
[9:02] <steveccc> I presume the pi is ok reading from 32gb sd card or is that too large?
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[9:02] <GabrialDestruir> Yea 32GB should be fine.
[9:02] <Syliss> steveccc: that is fine
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[9:03] <GabrialDestruir> So let me get this straight.... by just running this BitCoin client, it generates bitcoins? o.O
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[9:03] <Matt_P> I like these
[9:03] <Matt_P> http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
[9:03] <GabrialDestruir> Cause that's what the bitcoin site makes it sound like .-.
[9:03] <Xark> Hello. I finally received my RPi and am toying with it currently. I am considering this case (the nicest I have seen - especially since it allows for a ribbon cable to the GPIO). :) -> http://www.adafruit.com/products/859 (but not quite out yet)
[9:04] <Matt_P> just dont get ore than 9 as it wil cost you more per case hha
[9:04] <Matt_P> haha *
[9:04] <Xark> Jinx, I owe you a coke. :)
[9:04] <Matt_P> Xark, i bet you to it
[9:05] <Xark> Matt_P: Indeed, hence I owe YOU a Coke. :) However, I didn't read yours as I was finishing typing.
[9:05] <Matt_P> :P
[9:06] * Xark favorite feature RPi so far is the console serial port. :)
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[9:06] <freezer> hi
[9:06] <bonelifer> Xark, there's also a case on shapeways that has the ribbon out on the side.
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[9:07] <Xark> bonelifer: Got a link?
[9:07] <bonelifer> looking right now
[9:07] <Xark> Thanks. :)
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[9:08] <bonelifer> I think more than one of FreakyShape's does, here's one: http://www.shapeways.com/model/565087/raspberry-pi-standard-case.html
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[9:08] <Xark> ...dang google finds a lot of cases. :)
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[9:09] <Xark> bonelifer: Hey, that is pretty nice. But quite a bit more (and I like the clear I think).
[9:11] <Xark> Does have the advantage of being available now though. Hmm. Thanks for the link. :)
[9:12] <bonelifer> wish there was a version of the vesa mount one that included a cover to offer more protection.
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[9:14] <steveccc> whats the best os image for the pi - I am not new to linux so dont mind a bit of config - just want good gui and speed
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[9:26] <Crenn-NAS> HI GUYS!
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[9:39] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, Debian appears to be the best supported image right now, but a few are using Arch...
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, however you may have to be a little patient on the speed front...
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[9:40] <haltdef> if you want speed check out raspbian
[9:40] <Skrotus> I'm using debian until raspbian is a bit more ready
[9:40] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Hi do you know about official Debian vs "Raspian" (or maybe those are the same)?
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> Xark, I'm using both.
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[9:40] <haltdef> raspbian is a port of debian armhf for the pi, the official squeeze image is armel
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> Xark, I'd suggest starting with debian then moving to raspbian once you've got the hang on debian unless you're an old-hand with debian...
[9:40] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Any suggestions (experienced Linux person who wants to do OpenGL stuff without running X)?
[9:41] <Xark> OK, I am running the official Debian currently.
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> Xark, you might get better (ie. official!) support if using the standard debian...
[9:41] <Xark> Also, do you know if it is "safe" (or a good idea) to install all updates?
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> it ought to be very safe.
[9:41] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yeah, more people are going to use that one.
[9:42] <gordonDrogon> I've done apt-get update/upgrade a few times on the official debian with no real issues.
[9:42] <gordonDrogon> and I'm doing the same on Raspbian too.
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[9:43] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Just got a little HD formatted. I've been mostly using it from the console serial port (which is awesome you get a login prompt out of the box), however it looks great on (literally) the cheapest 720p TV I could get at Best Buy. :)
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> Xark, I started on a 30-year old mono monitor :)
[9:43] <Xark> Great thanks. Just double checking (since I got a few repository warnings).
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> have you run rpi_update too?
[9:44] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Haha, I have a B&W one from a Sol-20 I dusted off (for use on an Arduino). Sadly, it needs a TV tech to get it synching apparently.
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[9:45] <Xark> gordonDrogon: No, I haven't. I'm guessing that would be a good idea? :)
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/README.md
[9:45] <Xark> ...thanks.
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> possibly, but I did hear some people have issues with it.
[9:46] <gordonDrogon> I've run it without any issues, but I have custom compiled kernel on the raspbian Pi.
[9:46] <steveccc> gordondrogon: i appreciate it wont be rapid but just meant if one is quicker than another distro
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, the supplied Debian uses the lxde window manger - it's fairly lightweight. RAM is what we're short on in the Pi.
[9:47] <steveccc> Does anyone know of a cheap converter from hdmi to vga connection in the uk so that I can use an old monitor
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[9:48] <gordonDrogon> they're not cheap.
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> best I've seen is about 40-50 quid.
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> hdmi to DVI is cheaper and they can be had for under a tenner if your monitor supports dvi ..
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> that's what I do now.
[9:48] <steveccc> gordondrogon: I cant remember of my home monitor has a dvi port but if it does thats sorted
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> Xark, http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[9:49] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Neat-o. :)
[9:49] <Xark> I'm sure I'll be doing something similar soon.
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[9:50] <frankivo> gordonDrogon: that makes me wanna play pong
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> frankivo, I'll have a pong game going on my Pi soon - bit busy the rest of this week though )-:
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[9:51] <gordonDrogon> frankivo, my BASIC is more than fast enough for it.
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> so I'll write it in BASIC :)
[9:51] <Xark> gordonDrogon: I especially like the 5 1/4 disk case to prop the monitor. Nice touch. :)
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> If Woz can do it in BASIC on a 1MHz 6502 ...
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> Xark, ah, your the 2nd person to notice that :)
[9:51] * Xark has a decent pong running on his Arduino (and it is generating the video by bit-banging).
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> Excellent.
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> Have you seen the fignition board?
[9:52] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Gameduino?
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> http://sites.google.com/site/libby8dev/fignition
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> I met the chap who developed that a few weeks back. total geek nutter, but very enthusiastic. those 8 buttons can be used to enter any text upper/lower case, numbers, etc. He could 'type' very fast on it..
[9:53] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Cool, no, I haven't seen that one. .good looks it
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> ." Forth it talks"
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> right. showe time then I need to do some work )-:
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> laters...
[9:54] <Hourd> work--
[9:54] <Hourd> morning all
[9:54] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Thanks for that link, it looks like he is doing AVR character generations like I am. :)
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[9:56] <bonelifer> wow, 2:55 am. need to sleep.
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[10:06] <shirro> Does alsa on the Pi usually screw up after a few minutes of use, requiring restarting the app?
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[10:06] <friggle> probably :/
[10:07] <steveccc> gotdondrogon: whats the main use of the pi for you then?
[10:08] <haltdef> mine just hosts znc and bitlbee :/
[10:08] <haltdef> best use I could come up with
[10:09] <steveccc> I have a dvi to vga converter for my mac that allows the dvi output from my mac to be viewed on an old pc monitor - this in theory the same plug could be used with a hdmi to dvi cable from the pi - correct?
[10:09] <shirro> friggle: so it probably isn't a scratch/squeak thing? just the alsa kernel driver?
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[10:11] <haltdef> no
[10:11] <friggle> shirro: if any given application has problems with sound, given the current state of the alsa kernel driver I'd blame it on that rather than the app
[10:11] <haltdef> your mac's dvi port will be dvi-i, which supports both analog and digital output
[10:11] <beorn> hi, i read something about some code examples in a forum, namely some hello-video app, anyone know where to find this? (and yes, I tried finding it myself already)
[10:11] <haltdef> the pi's hdmi port is digital only do you'll need an active converter, which is expensive
[10:12] <Gadgetoid_mbp> steveccc: depends if it's a "converter" or an "adaptor"
[10:12] <shirro> friggle: I would plug a usb sound card in, but given the state of the usb kernel driver... ;-)
[10:12] <friggle> :)
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[10:13] <steveccc> gadgetoid: i suspect just a simple adaptor but I was thinking with my simplistic mind that if it works for a mac it will work for a pi - am I dreaming?
[10:13] <steveccc> gadgetoid_mbp: ^ sorry got your nick wrong
[10:13] <Gadgetoid_mbp> steveccc: As haltdef mentions, you're dreaming :D you'd need an adaptor
[10:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> steveccc: that's also me??? I should really use a bnc :D
[10:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Sorry, you'd need a *converter*
[10:14] <haltdef> install one on your pi! :D
[10:14] <steveccc> i see - the mac must output the analog and digital on the dvi I assume then. I will hope my monitor at home has a dvi port
[10:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I think the lack of VGA out is probably getting a few folks riled up about the Pi, it doesn't necessarily bode well for schools with shoddy old VGA monitors
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[10:15] <blkhawk> Gadgetoid_mpd: the empasis is on _monitor_ as in CRT
[10:16] <Gadgetoid_mbp> steveccc: most desktop/laptop computers will output analogue/digital through the DVI ports, they did it specifically to confuse people and be annoying!
[10:16] <haltdef> steveccc, that's what I said
[10:17] <gmjhowe> Even new 'Cheap' monitors still only have VGA sometimes.
[10:17] <blkhawk> considering the quality of capacitators in the first vga-only tft monitors they should be all safely broken by now :P
[10:17] <Gallomimia> clearly some development into displays on par with the price point for the pi is warranted.
[10:18] <blkhawk> also isn't there this display connector on the pi?
[10:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The composite connector?
[10:18] <Gallomimia> svideo?/
[10:18] <blkhawk> no
[10:18] <blkhawk> the flat cable
[10:19] <Gadgetoid_mbp> You mean HDMI, the one that isn't VGA...?
[10:19] <reider59> DSI or something?
[10:19] <blkhawk> no
[10:19] <blkhawk> the DSI connector
[10:19] <blkhawk> ya
[10:19] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Oh *that* one
[10:19] <blkhawk> ya
[10:19] <blkhawk> cheap displays
[10:19] <blkhawk> thats it
[10:19] <blkhawk> not much resolution on those tho
[10:19] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I don't think people normally think <10" when they're thinking of hooking up a display...
[10:20] <blkhawk> so?
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[10:21] <steveccc> is it viable to play video from the pi or is it just purely a simple browsing / fileserver computer
[10:21] <Gadgetoid_mbp> steveccc: the Pi is good at video
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, fun :)
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, actually fun, education, learning. It's nice to have something new to use and learn about. Linux (& PCs) has gotten so boring in the past 10 years or so.
[10:26] * Hourd has only been using linux for the last 10 years
[10:27] <steveccc> gordondrogon: i am being given one so thinking of turning it into a basic web server / download machine - eliminate the noisy fan of the old pc I currently use
[10:27] <the_cuckoo> steveccc: it's very capable of video :)
[10:27] <blkhawk> well
[10:28] <blkhawk> its h264 capable
[10:28] <blkhawk> try playing an mpeg1
[10:28] <blkhawk> and all you get is nothing ;)
[10:28] <the_cuckoo> yup - that's why i wrote an http transcoding script to work around it :D
[10:29] <the_cuckoo> does on the fly h264 encoding on my desktop and will play pretty much anything
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[10:29] <blkhawk> I hope somebody extracts the blobs needed for it from one of the other devices with the same chip
[10:30] <Hourd> would be nice
[10:30] <steveccc> blkhawk: I assume that if playing h264 then thats it 100% fully used ie if you tried to use it for anything else at the same time it would make the video jump
[10:30] <Ben64> would that work
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[10:30] <blkhawk> steveccc: actually
[10:31] <blkhawk> no the gpu does the heavy video lifting
[10:31] <blkhawk> there is some troule with the limited sd card bandwith
[10:31] <Ben64> I'm able to stream 1080p over the network with no problem
[10:31] <blkhawk> but i think the cpu load is actually moderate
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[10:33] <gordonDrogon> anyone see the venus transit? I got up for it, but it was 100% cloudy )-:
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[10:41] <steveccc> has the pi done well in the market. I wondered if in the future we may get a range of models with varying ram so that the thin client could maybe return
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[10:42] <einonm> steveccc: It's not being marketed as a product, it's created by a charity organisation to promote learning in schools
[10:43] <einonm> steveccc: So to answer your question, probably not.
[10:44] <steveccc> einonm: thats good - however I think the item as a product could have some legs - ie media centre etc. I think the charity should maybe create products like that and make a profit and use the money to pump back into schools - I think that would take off
[10:44] <Skrotus> it is selling like crazy at the moment, but I have no idea how much of profit the foundation gets from them - I can't imagine it's much
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[10:45] <einonm> steveccc: I think the Synology range of NAS does quite well in that area
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[10:46] <_inc> a sellout in less than 24hours; a higher demand than what they could supply. only advertising being a blog and a few interviews??? I think it's doing well
[10:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> IMHO the foundation should have artificially inflated the price by ~50% in the early release, and made bank on us- we're clearly capable of paying it
[10:46] <Skrotus> think it actually sold out in the first couple of minutes
[10:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Those who look at the Pi as a bargain basement beagleboard could probably stomach an extra few quid
[10:47] <Skrotus> considering there were only 10k in the first batch
[10:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> And it's simple economics to raise the price when demand is high and supply is low...
[10:47] <Ben64> oh well, i like my $35 mini computer
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[10:49] <gmjhowe> Lets put it like this, it is the same price as an Arduino
[10:49] <Matt_P> my arduino was a lot more expensive...
[10:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> How do you classify an arduino? 'cos mine was ~??7??? some assembly required
[10:51] <gmjhowe> Well you can get a Xino or some such for ??3
[10:51] <gmjhowe> But for an assembled official Arduino.
[10:52] <gmjhowe> There was a lot of projects using Pi instead of Arduino at the maker faire
[10:53] <gmjhowe> Just because it has ethernet built in.
[10:53] <blkhawk> mot to mention ram - runs python
[10:53] <dmsuse> projects, i have not seen any projects at all yet...
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[10:54] <_inc> anyone making car projects with the pi
[10:54] <dmsuse> seems people are allergic to doing anything with the gpios except putting led's on them
[10:54] <Ben64> pi is much more powerful than arduino
[10:54] <_inc> that are a bit more complex than simple odb2 stats?
[10:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The Pi, as I think gordonDrogon said, makes a great ethernet shield for the Arduino :D
[10:54] <gmjhowe> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nottinghack/7336277262/in/set-72157630047263334
[10:54] <Matt_P> dmsuse, ive been trying to find how to connect the gpios to my wii reset/shutdown
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[10:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: I'm trying to do more with the GPIO, just ordered a glut of parts
[10:54] <frankivo> gmjhowe: :D
[10:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: And I think ShiftPlusOne (amirite?) has hooked up an SD card reader to his
[10:55] <gmjhowe> That was my favourite from the maker faire
[10:55] <frankivo> irc would be more usefull :+
[10:55] <dmsuse> i want to do so many things, but im waiting on others to do projects so i can copy them lol
[10:55] <gmjhowe> Twitter on a BBC computer.
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[10:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I did what now?
[10:55] <gmjhowe> That little colour cable for the GPIO looks like a nice thing to have.
[10:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ShiftPlusOne: or am I thinking of bootc??? I might be thinking of bootc
[10:56] <ShiftPlusOne> probably, I don't remember hooking up an sd card reader to my anything
[10:56] <gmjhowe> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nottinghack/7336328266/in/set-72157630047263334
[10:56] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ShiftPlusOne: sure??? not even a fridge!? a car?
[10:56] <gmjhowe> those guys had various break out boards
[10:56] <gmjhowe> Including that little one there.
[10:57] <ShiftPlusOne> I can proudly say never
[10:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I think I've got enough components to build my own breakout board now
[10:57] <dmsuse> could an rpi switch a small relay, then that small relay switch a bigger relay?
[10:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'd love an official arduino shield for the Pi, though
[10:57] <Gadgetoid_mbp> dmsuse: errr. yes...
[10:58] <dmsuse> cool, ima have relay clicking all over the place :D
[10:58] <gmjhowe> Yeah, it would be nice to combine the Pi with say an Arduino mega, then the Arduino serves to manage all the extra input/output
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[10:59] <gmjhowe> full set of derby maker faire pictures if people want to browse - http://www.flickr.com/photos/nottinghack/sets/72157630047263334/
[10:59] <dmsuse> gmjhowe: that has already happened?
[10:59] <gmjhowe> Yep, this weekend just gone.
[10:59] <dmsuse> aww
[10:59] <dmsuse> why no 1 tell me :(
[11:00] <gmjhowe> It has been advitised for a while now..
[11:01] <gmjhowe> There is also one in Manchester and Brighton this year.
[11:01] <gmjhowe> Either of those close enough for you to visit?
[11:01] <dmsuse> manchester maybe
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[11:04] <gmjhowe> Where abouts are you based dmsuse?
[11:05] <dmsuse> near sheffield/doncaster
[11:05] <gmjhowe> About the same distance then.
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[11:06] <dmsuse> yeah :P derby is a little easier to get to though :)
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[11:06] <gmjhowe> Yeah
[11:06] <gmjhowe> I live like 30 minutes up the road from Derby
[11:06] <gmjhowe> http://makerfairemanchester.com/
[11:06] <dmsuse> the snake pass to manchester is a little scary in a 3 wheeler :P
[11:06] <dmsuse> thanks
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[11:07] <Matt_P> 3 wheeler?
[11:07] <dmsuse> reliant robin ;)
[11:07] <gmjhowe> Well, Derby was amazing, well worth the effort to get to Manchester
[11:07] <dmsuse> many attend?
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[11:08] <dmsuse> i should imagine manchesters will be bigger
[11:08] <BusError> Trying to get this Pi to work herel Managed to boot the rsdpbian image, but there is no USB, and no ethernet (no link LED). the 5V reads 4.97
[11:08] <gmjhowe> We must have had at least 100 makers, then it was busy with visitors for most of the day.
[11:08] <BusError> tried 2 keyboards, and a riii mini, no input, no console message saying it has anything on usb
[11:08] <dmsuse> gmjhowe: wow not bad
[11:09] <gmjhowe> Really nice range of makers as well.
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[11:10] <gmjhowe> Also there tends to be a lot of overlap of makers.
[11:10] <gmjhowe> So most the people at Derby are likely to be at Manchester as well.
[11:11] <dmsuse> that would be cool
[11:11] <gmjhowe> A lot of the makers were the same I had seen at the big newcastle maker faires
[11:11] <dmsuse> anything rpi related there?
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[11:11] <gmjhowe> Derby Maker faire was the first faire since the Pi was released.
[11:12] <gmjhowe> must have been at least 20 Pi there
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[11:13] <dmsuse> not bad
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[11:14] <gmjhowe> then at least 20 more people jealous of those of us with our Pi already
[11:15] <dmsuse> haha
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[11:16] <gmjhowe> A lot of the muggles recognised the name when people asked about things though.
[11:16] <gmjhowe> Thanks to all the coverage.
[11:18] <dmsuse> muggles?
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> wish someone would arrange a maker fayre in Devon...
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[11:20] <gmjhowe> Rule 3
[11:20] <gmjhowe> Talk is cheap.
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[11:25] <BusError> Ok, the 25mhz crystal on my Pi is flatlined... anyone found a trick to kick it alive ?
[11:25] <drazyltoo> reverse the polarity?
[11:25] <drazyltoo> :)
[11:25] <gmjhowe> I am sure I saw something on the forums about that.
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[11:27] <GabrialDestruir> bah.... I should of just used paypal xD
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[11:40] <BusError> silly hardware. resoldered the crystal, it now works
[11:42] <GabrialDestruir> -facedesks-
[11:42] <gmjhowe> Another great thing about the Pi, people are not too worried about fixing it themselves, because if they screw it up, it is not a massive loss.
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[11:42] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently I can't attach a Dowlla account to Mt.Gox without being verified.... which apparently requires a monthly utility bill or a certificate of residency....
[11:43] <GabrialDestruir> The issue being.... I went all e-billing ages ago.
[11:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> BusError: on the topic of crystals, do you know if there is any userland way to access any crystal-based timing mechanism on the Pi? Or am I talking nonsense?
[11:44] <BusError> the PLL ? there are probsably registers to configure it from the base clock(s)
[11:45] <BusError> these are not application clocks tho, they are used to derivate the IO, memory, usb etc clocks
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[11:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> BusError: they'd still be a damned fine timing mechanism for getting accurate millisecond delays between GPIO state changes??? I think
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[11:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I think ultimately I'll end up using the ardiuno baked ATMega as a Pi IO expander
[11:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> And make my wife solder me up an arduino shield for the Pi, mu ha ha
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[11:51] <BusError> Gadgetoid, you can;t do very precise timing for bitbangs on linux, it's not just made for that
[11:52] <BusError> but, a millisecond is a very long time, thats not 'precise' :-)
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[11:52] <Matt_P> Gadgetoid_mbp, is your wife an EE ?
[11:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Matt_P: my wife just has more soldering experience than my zero
[11:53] <Matt_P> haha
[11:53] <Matt_P> damn
[11:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> She sorted my retrode N64 adaptor a treat
[11:53] <Matt_P> im trying to find someone who can point me in the right direction of bridging a connection on a seperate circuit
[11:53] <Matt_P> without using a mechanical relay
[11:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Matt_P: optoisolators?
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[11:55] <Matt_P> was hoping a fet could do it
[11:56] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on the application, doesn't it?
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[11:57] <ebswift> opto isn't able to activate my nikon shutter unless i bridge the first two presses first :/
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[11:57] <ebswift> *first press
[11:58] <gmjhowe> Gadgetoid_mbp: Yeah the ATMega would be a nice IO expander
[11:59] <gmjhowe> If you are gonna expand it, your mareswell go the whole hog.
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[11:59] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gmjhowe: particularly as it could run directly off the 3.3v line of the Pi and communicate at the same logic level over UART??? hopefully!
[11:59] <gmjhowe> Of course!
[12:00] <gmjhowe> I need to make better use of my Uno, it has sat in a draw since I bought it.
[12:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm going to breadboard mine up and if all goes well I'll make a Pi topping which is arduino-shield compatible
[12:00] <gmjhowe> Pi Topping would be a great name for it.
[12:00] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Shame you can't fit a shield into a breadboard
[12:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Matt_P, what are you doing exactly? It's unlikely that you require an optocoupler, I think.
[12:01] <Matt_P> ok so the wii has twoo switches
[12:01] <gmjhowe> http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/slice-of-pi/
[12:01] <Matt_P> reset and power
[12:01] <Matt_P> lies
[12:01] <gmjhowe> Had those at the maker faire, nice little board.
[12:01] <Matt_P> power and eject
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[12:02] <Matt_P> ok i was right the first time lol
[12:02] <Matt_P> power/reset
[12:02] <Matt_P> just want to activate them using a gpio
[12:02] <Matt_P> simplest way possible
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[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> excuse my ignorance, but what's wrong with using a fet?
[12:05] <Matt_P> didnt think itd work without the same voltage supply
[12:05] <Matt_P> all examples ive seen use the same reference voltage lines
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah that's what crossed my mind
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[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> there has go to be a cheap, simple way though
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> ask in #electronics
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> my brain has shut down for the day
[12:08] <Crenn-NAS> I'm so close to getting Joomla working on my Pi :(
[12:09] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I wonder if I could fit all the Arduino parts onto a slice-of-pi board
[12:09] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It wouldn't be shield compatible, though
[12:09] <gmjhowe> Might work well to prototype though.
[12:11] <gmjhowe> What sheilds were you planning to use on it?
[12:11] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, are you around by any chance?
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> might want to hang about for a Gert board- it'll have an ATmega on-board...
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[12:16] <fALSO> hi
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[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> done anything interesting with that sdr?
[12:18] <reider59> << Looking at getting the CrystalFontz 635 (possibly other models too) LCD Module working but via USB
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[12:18] <reider59> I was a beta tester and wrote screens for them all
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[12:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Gert board has an atmega? Interesting??? but will it be shield compatible???? I should probably read up on it :D
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[12:23] <Gadgetoid_mbp> It'll probably be too expensive and too overspecified for the likes of me, not to mention I'd require one assembled
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> shif yes
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> argh - fail
[12:26] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Spee haha!
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[12:30] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, Mega, yes, shield no. However lots of header pins.
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6792/gbrev2.jpg
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[12:34] <gmjhowe> ALL THE PINS
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[12:36] <gordonDrogon> yup. they're all brought out and you can jumper them.
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[12:37] <gordonDrogon> it's a shame he's used male pins on the board, so we'd need female to female jumper leads and they're not readilly avalable.
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[12:38] <gordonDrogon> a-ha: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-kit-100mm-ff-50pcs-p-380.html
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[12:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I'm starting to wonder if gordonDrogon runs SKPang...
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, I wish...
[12:47] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: You should be earning commission :D
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> I've just found them OK to deal with recently and they seem to be the only one carrying Pi specific stuff too.
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, again, I wish :)
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[12:48] <gordonDrogon> heh. looking at some other stuff - check out the best chinglish on page 3 of this: http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/LED/Technical%20Information%20of%20Flexible%20Neon%20wire.pdf
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[12:52] <megaproxy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Windsave-1KW-wind-turbine-with-inverter?item=110888749242&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DPI.WATCH%26otn%3D12%26po%3DLCA%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8941470534345882973#ht_500wt_1413
[12:52] <megaproxy> mmm want
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[12:53] <Skrotus> is anyone else having trouble with google?
[12:53] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how well the GPU on the Pi would do bitcoin mining.
[12:53] <fALSO> lol bitcoin mining
[12:53] <shirro> Skrotus: it is slooooow. using duckduckgo
[12:53] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[12:53] <Skrotus> not loading at all for me
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[12:54] <GabrialDestruir> Well GPU is the new thing apparently in bitcoin mining, and if the Pi's gpu did a good job then when it's broken, you could just setup a Pi Mining Farm xD
[12:54] <Ben64> except bitcoins are worthless
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> megaproxy: It's unlikely to produce meaningfully unless you have a _very_ good site.
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> megaproxy: Stick it on your random house, and you get almost no output.
[12:54] <GabrialDestruir> They're only worthless if you don't exchange them :p
[12:54] <megaproxy> i haz good place for it
[12:54] <GabrialDestruir> If you exchange them they've got worth.
[12:54] <fALSO> you would need a million pi's
[12:54] <Ben64> they're worthless if you exchange them too
[12:55] <shirro> Skrotus: Likely a local network problem. it is back faster than ever now for me.
[12:55] <fALSO> connected during a year or so
[12:55] <fALSO> to get 1BTC
[12:55] <fALSO> LOL
[12:55] <Skrotus> yeah working now
[12:55] <GabrialDestruir> Probably xD
[12:55] <fALSO> :-)
[12:55] <Skrotus> just wanted to see if it was just affecting australia or if the problem was affecting others as well
[12:55] <GabrialDestruir> But it'd be interesting to see how many Mhash/s it could do.
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> L
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> K
[12:56] <fALSO> how would you think about doing that?
[12:56] <fALSO> the pi doesnt have any kind of CUDA
[12:56] <GabrialDestruir> Ah...
[12:56] <GabrialDestruir> dunno
[12:56] <fALSO> i dont believe OPENGL ES is usable to make calculations
[12:56] <fALSO> :-)
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[13:00] <mjr> Not very. And even if you had an API for it, the GPU isn't _that_ powerful that it'd do decent mining
[13:00] <mjr> just good for a $25 device
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[13:02] <techman2> My pi just arrived!!
[13:02] <Skrotus> woo
[13:03] <GabrialDestruir> YAY PI
[13:04] <techman2> late delivery
[13:04] <techman2> 7:00pm
[13:04] <frankivo> argh
[13:04] <frankivo> this channel is not good for my health
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[13:05] <GabrialDestruir> Okay the settings for this mining thing is weird xD
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> My SD card for my Pi just arrived
[13:06] <GabrialDestruir> YAY PI CARD!
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[13:06] <crnd> captain pi card
[13:07] <Bensa> what SD card class is recommended?
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[13:08] <shirro> Bensa: just get something solid and reliable and not too expensive. The Pi's sd interface is so handicapped a really fast card is wasted
[13:08] <Bensa> yeah, so class4 will do?
[13:08] <Bensa> or is it worth the upgrade to 10?
[13:08] <Bensa> ignoring cost
[13:08] <Bensa> just performance
[13:09] <shirro> I am using class 6 because that is what I had. I wouldn't bother with a class10 specially for the Pi having seen how slow it runs. The interface maxes out at just over 4MB/s reads unless you overclock it. It is hopeless.
[13:09] <Bensa> okay
[13:09] <fALSO> lol
[13:10] <mjr> probably not, and class 10s are reportedly more likely to have problems, and they're not optimized for random access anyway so might be slower in actual use
[13:10] <Bensa> yeah, my class4 seems to be behaving well
[13:10] <Bensa> i'll just stick to that then
[13:11] <mjr> also, it doesn't seem to be "overclocking" the interface that'll give you decent sd performance, rather it seems to me to be underclocked by default
[13:11] <Bensa> oh.
[13:13] <mjr> possibly to be conservative in the face of potential sd card trouble, but some people here have gotten the sd performance reliably up by tuning. Hopefully that'll be made easy/default at some point.
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> I just tried init_emmc_clock=240000000 on my standard Debian Pi. Works fine, however it has been rpi-updated'd
[13:15] <shirro> hopefully someone will rewrite all the Pi hardware drivers so they are all small, neat, fast and less buggy.
[13:15] <Bensa> :D
[13:15] <Skrotus> I had to update the kernel and stuff manually to get my sd card to even boot
[13:15] <mjr> shirro, that would be swell as well!
[13:15] * mjr has heard bad things about the USB driver. How stable is it these days?
[13:16] <shirro> mjr: I have been avoiding it. It scares me
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> it seems "good enough" for me, but I've not tried anything special with it.
[13:17] <shirro> I would love a model A just so I could eliminate the hub/nic chip as a source of problems
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[13:17] <gordonDrogon> compile a kernel with the drivers left out...
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> tricky to get data in/out though :)
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> good olf Kermit & serial lines!!!
[13:21] <shirro> gordonDrogon: no, I mean I would like the usb brought straight out without going into that smsc lan chip to see if stuff would work better without it. Also would like a board without poly fuses. At the moment there are too many things that could cause problems. I haven't had a good run with usb stuff and my Pi
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[13:28] <gordonDrogon> shirro, ah right. I see now.
[13:29] <tech2-pi> IRC from pi :)
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> tech2-pi, not the first, but it's a good check that it's all working fine!
[13:29] <tech2-pi> I know :), I'm just excited to have my pi finally.
[13:30] <Draylor> gotta get the priorities right
[13:30] <Draylor> 1. boot. 2. irssi \o/
[13:30] <tech2-pi> absolutely
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[13:30] <tech2-pi> lol
[13:30] <tech2-pi> keyboard seems to be behaving so far
[13:30] <mjr> init=/usr/bin/irssi
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> shirro, looking at the circuit diagram, the BCM has a single USB output and this goes directly to one USB port. It also goes to the smcc ethernet chip which presumably acts as a hub for the 2nd port...
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> shirro, so if you remove the ethernet chip then you get one USB port ..
[13:32] <shirro> yes, a model A
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> shirro, actually I suspect you need to remove the ethernet chip and insert 2 0R links...
[13:32] * gordonDrogon nods.
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> it might be possible with one of those fancy square bits on a good soldering iron...
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[13:48] <GabrialDestruir> Oh yay! I have a whole 0.0075BTC xD
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[13:50] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: don't spend it all at once
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[13:51] <RITRedbeard> Got a knot in my pocket weighin' least a grand
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[13:51] <RITRedbeard> Gold on my wrist, GabrialDestruir's pistols close at handddd
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[13:52] <gmjhowe> Hello, IT_Sean
[13:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hello indeed!
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[13:53] <RITRedbeard> IT_Sean, bad news.
[13:53] <RITRedbeard> You won't be able to install OS X on the Pi.
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[13:53] <gmjhowe> RITRedbeard: All the talk of pistols, I thought this was my steampunk channel!
[13:53] <Gabrial|Laptop> Curious has xbmc been compiled for raspbian yet? >.>
[13:54] <RITRedbeard> gmjhowe, soldering gun
[13:54] <gmjhowe> That's more like it.
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[13:54] <RITRedbeard> Everytime someone asks about xbmc I want to disembowel them with a wooden cooking spoon.
[13:54] <gmjhowe> Why so?
[13:55] <RITRedbeard> I don't think so but xbmc devs were given an alpha board weren't they?
[13:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RITRedbeard: that's hardly appropriate
[13:55] <RITRedbeard> You're on a Macbook Pro.
[13:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RITRedbeard: I don't think a wooden cooking spoon would hurt enough
[13:55] <RITRedbeard> I'm on a Thinkpad T410.
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[13:55] <RITRedbeard> Your opinion is moot.
[13:56] <gmjhowe> Woah, we got an asshat over here!
[13:56] <RITRedbeard> I am the resident asshole, yes.
[13:56] <Gadgetoid_mbp> How do you know it doesn't stand for???uhh???. massive??? bla??? oh dear
[13:56] <gmjhowe> We have a pub near the hackspace call the moot
[13:56] <gmjhowe> The source of all our beer and puns
[13:56] <RITRedbeard> Only because I dislike the Raspberry Pi Foundation.
[13:57] <gmjhowe> So you just come here to hate?
[13:57] <RITRedbeard> Gabrial|Laptop, no idea man.
[13:57] <RITRedbeard> Not exactly.
[13:57] <ReggieUK> RITRedbeard, mind your language please
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[13:58] <RITRedbeard> Mind your country.
[13:58] <gmjhowe> Heh
[13:58] * gmjhowe sits back and grabs some popcorn
[13:58] <RITRedbeard> You don't even have anything resembling an army.
[13:58] <RITRedbeard> We'll have you singing the Anthem by this time noon EST.
[13:58] <RITRedbeard> :)
[13:59] <RITRedbeard> gmjhowe, I like the idea of the Raspberry Pi, embedded developement, but there have been hiccups along the way.
[13:59] <RITRedbeard> And everyone is still waiting to get one.
[13:59] <gmjhowe> Not everyone
[13:59] <RITRedbeard> But I'm also dev'ing other devices.
[13:59] <ReggieUK> no they're not
[13:59] <RITRedbeard> That are much faster.
[14:00] <gmjhowe> I have mine in my bag right now
[14:00] <gmjhowe> Turning it into a media centre
[14:00] <RITRedbeard> Why not get a nice low end Radeon?
[14:00] <gmjhowe> Yeah but there names do not mimic food and maths
[14:00] <RITRedbeard> True.
[14:00] <RITRedbeard> This is true.
[14:00] <gmjhowe> Hence they usefulness is moot
[14:01] <RITRedbeard> Raspberry Pi Foundation is inherently bigotted towards their own country.
[14:01] <RITRedbeard> So I don't mind.
[14:01] <gmjhowe> Are you a pirate?
[14:01] <frankivo> yaar?
[14:01] <frankivo> yarr*
[14:01] <gmjhowe> I think he must. E
[14:01] <RITRedbeard> Everyone who keeps talking about media centers or xbmc is a pirate.
[14:02] <RITRedbeard> Seriously.
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[14:02] <RITRedbeard> You ripped all those blu-rays yourself?
[14:02] <shirro> No, I am just a time shifter
[14:02] * RITRedbeard rolls his eyes.
[14:02] <Gabrial|Laptop> Damn right I'm a pirate.
[14:02] <gmjhowe> Actually I have no illegal music or films
[14:02] <Bensa> right
[14:02] <Bensa> liar
[14:02] <gmjhowe> Straight up
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[14:03] <Bensa> straight down i say, to hell, the place for liars!
[14:03] <RITRedbeard> I believe him.
[14:03] <Bensa> ;)
[14:03] <Bensa> i dont care, its just fun.
[14:03] <RITRedbeard> I buy CDs and stuff when I really like an album and I rip straight to FLAC
[14:03] <gmjhowe> Its not like DVDs are expensive
[14:04] <gmjhowe> I buy all my music from iTunes
[14:04] <Bensa> if the <insert company here> would provide me with an alternative i can enjoy, i'll pay
[14:04] <Bensa> :p
[14:04] <RITRedbeard> That's horrible.
[14:04] <RITRedbeard> You pay for 128kbps mp3s?
[14:04] <RITRedbeard> Ought to be a crime!
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[14:04] <gmjhowe> Too lazy to go buy a cd, too impatient to wait for it in the post
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[14:04] <RITRedbeard> gmjhowe, let me take you to used record store man.
[14:04] <shirro> whats a record store?
[14:05] <RITRedbeard> :(
[14:05] <gmjhowe> Will the record automatically beam down to all my devices?
[14:05] <RITRedbeard> No, we'd be looking through used CDs
[14:05] <RITRedbeard> but
[14:05] <RITRedbeard> ask Thomas Edison
[14:05] <RITRedbeard> "all my devices"
[14:05] <RITRedbeard> How many media devices do you have?
[14:05] <RITRedbeard> At most, three
[14:06] <gmjhowe> 12
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[14:06] <drazyltoo> most of my dvd purchases are from a supermarket these days
[14:06] <RITRedbeard> MP3 player, smartphone, computer, laptop... okay, FOUR.
[14:07] <gmjhowe> Same
[14:07] <Gabrial|Laptop> Laptop, Desktop, TV, Phone, Tablet, Smart Fridge, Smart Car, Work Computer
[14:07] <Gabrial|Laptop> That's 8 right there.
[14:07] <RITRedbeard> What about smart washer and drier?
[14:07] <gmjhowe> Not all of us live by ourselves RITRedbeard
[14:07] <drazyltoo> smart toilet
[14:07] <RITRedbeard> It's not about that.
[14:07] <RITRedbeard> I live a live of minimalism.
[14:08] <RITRedbeard> Ahem.
[14:08] <gmjhowe> Good for you
[14:08] <steveccc> has anyone found a good wireless solution for the pi
[14:08] <RITRedbeard> I live a life of minimalism.
[14:08] <IT_Sean> Hi all. Was AFK, sorry.
[14:08] <drazyltoo> you don't if you have technology
[14:08] <drazyltoo> it's not really minimalist
[14:08] <gmjhowe> Stop ramming it down our throats
[14:08] <Bensa> i wonder if the PI can manage a usenet-client
[14:08] <Gabrial|Laptop> Eh.
[14:08] <RITRedbeard> I didn't say materialism-less.
[14:08] <drazyltoo> no, you said minimalist
[14:08] <drazyltoo> and most tech is not required, so you are not minimalist if you have it
[14:09] <Gabrial|Laptop> The way I see it, is I'd rather be a Pirate and get all the digital copies for a movie/song/whatever than have to buy it multiple times, when I already own it. J/s :p
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[14:09] <RITRedbeard> I'm parting out my desktop, I think.
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[14:09] <RITRedbeard> That's not my definition of minimalist. I'm not talking Bear Grylls.
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[14:10] <RITRedbeard> I mean less materialism.
[14:10] <RITRedbeard> It's nice.
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[14:13] <RITRedbeard> My family members actually had to purchase and build sheds in the back because they HAVE so much crap.
[14:13] <RITRedbeard> Their bedrooms are jam packed with... junk.
[14:13] <RITRedbeard> I don't want to ever have to do that or deal with that.
[14:14] <drazyltoo> yeah, but, he who dies with the most gadgets wins
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[14:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> RITRedbeard: I've got junk everywhere :(
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> Bensa, apt-get install trn for usenet...
[14:15] <RITRedbeard> drazyltoo, maybe... my guilty pleasure is books.
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[14:15] <RITRedbeard> I own a ton of books.
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[14:15] <drazyltoo> we'd have more books if we had somewhere to keep 'em
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[14:15] <Bensa> gordonDrogon: well, i was worried about performance.. parity check.. unrary..
[14:16] <Bensa> -y
[14:16] <markllama> which reminds me, I need to expense the most recent one to appease my financial advisor/wife
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[14:16] <Bensa> not like, gonna rea
[14:16] <Bensa> d
[14:16] <Bensa> :P
[14:17] <trevorman> Bensa: it'll work. just don't expect it to be really quick for large files. doing PAR files will hit the CPU and do loads of I/O and the RPi isn't amazing for both of them.
[14:18] <Bensa> hehe, yeah
[14:18] <Bensa> im fine with it taking a week, just curious if it will burn up and go emo on me
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[14:18] <trevorman> shouldn't do. it'll just be slow
[14:19] <Bensa> yeah..
[14:19] <Bensa> gonna be fun trying
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[14:20] <raspbian7> hi
[14:22] <RITRedbeard> wilkomenn
[14:22] <IT_Sean> ahoy
[14:22] <Bensa> raspbmc seems pretty fubar now
[14:23] <raspbian7> can you test something for me?
[14:25] <mute> maybe. spit it out.
[14:25] <raspbian7> go to [#raspberrypi]
[14:25] <raspbian7> I mean
[14:26] <raspbian7>
[14:26] <Bensa> check
[14:26] <Bensa> :P
[14:26] <raspbian7> But don't hack me.
[14:26] <raspbian7> I just want to see if you can see my raspberrypi webserver
[14:26] <Bensa> ull see ur house be fallin apart soon
[14:26] <Bensa> we can
[14:26] * IT_Sean hacks raspbian7
[14:26] <raspbian7> oh dear
[14:27] <raspbian7> but can you see the raspberry?
[14:27] <techman2> sudo apt-get install hax0r-tools
[14:27] <drazyltoo> nice berries!
[14:27] <IT_Sean> O_O
[14:28] <raspbian7> ?
[14:28] <mute> yes
[14:28] <raspbian7> cool
[14:28] <Bensa> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[14:28] <Bensa> well
[14:28] <Bensa> ..
[14:28] <raspbian7> does it stay in the center?
[14:29] <drazyltoo> seems to
[14:29] <raspbian7> cool, it's supposed to
[14:29] <raspbian7> vertical alignment is a pain in the bum with css3
[14:30] <raspbian7> oh by the way, do you have any security tips?
[14:31] <raspbian7> ssh is wide open, so I'm not sure whether I should be doing anything to protect it
[14:31] <Bensa> you should
[14:31] <Bensa> and you should block port 22 in your firewall
[14:31] <Bensa> unless you wanna use it
[14:31] <Bensa> :D
[14:31] <raspbian7> But what if I wanted to use it?
[14:31] <Bensa> then you should change your password
[14:31] <Bensa> (s)
[14:31] <Bensa> and dont permit root login
[14:31] <Bensa> and so on
[14:32] <raspbian7> Okay, how do I disable root login?
[14:32] <Bensa> sshd_confnig
[14:32] <Bensa> config
[14:32] <raspbian7> I already changed the passwords
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[14:32] <Bensa> probably disabled by default, i dunno
[14:32] <raspbian7> I don't think it is on raspbian
[14:33] <raspbian7> Do I want to edit the user-wide config file or just the user one?
[14:33] <raspbian7> *system wide
[14:33] <mute> euh
[14:33] <mute> i always move my ssh ports at home to something more random
[14:33] <raspbian7> sudo nano /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[14:33] <raspbian7> whoops
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[14:34] <raspbian7> mute: Okay, I'll keep that in mind.
[14:34] <mute> usually with an iptables redirect so its still 22 on the lan
[14:34] <raspbian7> hmm
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[14:41] <raspbian7> okay disbled root ssh
[14:42] <zgreg> happy ipv6 launch day :)
[14:42] <raspbian7> oh damn I got left behind. I'm still v4 :(
[14:42] <zgreg> many people don't have native ipv6 yet, but tunnels work well
[14:42] <ReggieUK> anyone know where to get hold of the arasan pdf file mentioned in the sd controller section of the broadcom datasheet for the pi chip?
[14:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> ipv6 launch day? haaa
[14:43] <zgreg> ReggieUK: no... I triedd googling for it, but no dice
[14:43] <shirro> ReggieUK: I went googling. I couldn't find it
[14:43] <ReggieUK> me too
[14:43] <frankivo> some mayor sites get native ipv6 support as of todayu
[14:43] <ReggieUK> and I signed up at arasan too
[14:43] <frankivo> _finally_
[14:43] <zgreg> Gadgetoid_mbp: well, it's a nice effort
[14:43] <ReggieUK> no dice there either
[14:43] <raspbian7> ReggieUK: http://ebookbrowse.com/20090729-arasan-pdf-d103539111 ?
[14:43] <ReggieUK> I guess we should ask the foundation
[14:43] <shirro> it might be an nda thing
[14:44] <Gadgetoid_mbp> zgreg: truth, there's definitely some noticeable movement toward ipv6, but to say uptake has been incredibly sluggish would be an understatement
[14:44] <raspbian7> what kind of tagline for a company is.. "the bus stops here"?
[14:44] <ReggieUK> raspbian7, nope, not even close that's a press release
[14:44] <IT_Sean> Unless it's a bus line, a crappy one?
[14:44] <raspbian7> ReggieUK: You need to be more specific, arasan is just the name of the company
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[14:45] <ReggieUK> I'd say that was a reasonable tagline for a company providing interfaces to the outside world for SoC chips
[14:45] <trevorman> idk. had native ipv6 for several years now
[14:45] <zgreg> Gadgetoid_mbp: definitely, but it's definitely a good effort to have IPv6 connectivity at the most popular websites
[14:45] <IT_Sean> Sounds more like something Greyhound or FungWah would use. 'Greyhound. The bus stops here. [sound of poorly maintained air brakes]"
[14:46] <zgreg> trevorman: I wish my ISP would offer native IPv6
[14:46] <raspbian7> perhaps the bus represents the SoC
[14:46] <zgreg> I use HE's tunnels, which work well, but of course aren't ideal
[14:46] <trevorman> the issue with ipv6 was that people have broken or misconfigured ipv6 stacks and they'll suddenly lose access when suddenly an ipv6 address appears for a website. the last ipv6 test day however showed it really wasn't as bad as expected though.
[14:46] <raspbian7> or does the bus station represent the SoC?
[14:47] <zgreg> trevorman: that's what happy eyeballs is for
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[14:47] <trevorman> zgreg: they'll eventually need to get something sorted anyway once ipv6 only sites start to appear :)
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[14:48] <ReggieUK> raspbian7 SD3.0_Host_AHB_eMMC4.4_Usersguide_ver5.9_jan11_10.pdf
[14:48] <trevorman> zgreg: yeah. tunnelled isn't great but there are so many people with it now that hopefully you won't get odd MTU problems
[14:48] <ReggieUK> that's teh document I'm looking for
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[14:48] <ReggieUK> I reckon that's specific enough :)
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[14:48] <raspbian7> does it have to be version 5.9?
[14:48] <zgreg> trevorman: well, the people that unconditionally block ICMP should be shot
[14:49] <ReggieUK> raspbian7, well, it'd be nice if it was that actual document
[14:49] <dirty_d> hello
[14:49] * Gadgetoid_mbp makes a note to add unconditional ICMP blocks to all his IPTables rules
[14:49] <trevorman> zgreg: lol. they must think large chunks of the internet is just mysteriously broken but only for them
[14:49] <ReggieUK> as that's the one that broadcom are referring to with regard to changes that bcm made
[14:49] <dirty_d> just got my rpi setup last night :)
[14:50] <dirty_d> none of my ecternal hard drives are being detected properly
[14:50] <dirty_d> could that be due to not using a powered hub?
[14:50] <raspbian7> dirty_d: external hard drives are very hungry for power
[14:50] <trevorman> dirty_d: yes
[14:50] <dirty_d> ok
[14:50] <ReggieUK> yes
[14:51] <techman2> definitely need a hub.
[14:51] <dirty_d> ill pick one up on the way home from work
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[14:51] <trevorman> you're only realistically going to get a little over 100mA from each port. pretty much all external HDs want 500mA+
[14:51] <ReggieUK> anything more than a mouse and a cheap keyboard will need a powered hub
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[14:51] <dirty_d> also, whats the reccomended player to play video?
[14:51] <trevorman> if its got a double headed USB cable then its definitely not going to work
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[14:51] <shirro> pity my powered hub doesn't play well with my Pi
[14:51] <raspbian7> omxplayer, but it has a few requirements
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[14:51] <trevorman> dirty_d: omxplayer if you want command line. something like openelec if you want xbmc
[14:52] <dirty_d> what type of requirements?
[14:52] <raspbian7> trevorman: openelec uses omxplayer
[14:52] <neofutur> "Once your order has been despatched we will send you further details on shipment and courier, to help track your delivery."
[14:52] <raspbian7> dirty_d: 64mb of gpu memory and some other stuff
[14:52] <trevorman> raspbian7: eh?
[14:52] <neofutur> I received my pi _before_ they give me aby infos . . .
[14:53] <neofutur> ( and DHL woke me up at 7 AM ) but still happy I received it
[14:53] <Habbie> neofutur, RS has not given me any info either, they just sent out the Pi via DHL
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[14:53] <mute> ah man..
[14:54] <dirty_d> does mplayer work?
[14:54] <mute> mute@rpi:~$ nuttcp 98.6875 MB / 10.00 sec = 82.7556 Mbps 98 %TX 20 %RX 0 retrans 1.03 msRTT
[14:54] <raspbian7> it won't have gpu acclerated playback
[14:54] <mute> 98% CPU usage to utilize ethernetz
[14:54] <neofutur> and as far as I remember I chose a pack including a pre written SD card with raspbian
[14:54] <raspbian7> mute: How come?
[14:54] <neofutur> which is ot there
[14:54] <mute> raspbian7: suppose that's the overhead of using usb
[14:55] <dirty_d> i was getting very low ethernet performance before i upgraded my kernel and everything else on archlinux
[14:55] <mute> i dunno
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[14:55] <dirty_d> after it was fine
[14:55] <raspbian7> mute: What command to see that?
[14:55] <dirty_d> may have just been a coincidence
[14:56] <mute> raspbian7: i install 'nuttcp' on the Pi and another machine
[14:56] <dirty_d> so do the videos you want to play have to be 1080p? not 720p etc?
[14:56] <mute> my seagate goflex NAS
[14:56] <trevorman> dirty_d: no
[14:56] <dirty_d> as long as its h.264 it will play at full framerate?
[14:56] <raspbian7> mute: are you sure it's accurate?
[14:56] <dirty_d> and 1080p or lower?
[14:57] <trevorman> if you want HW acceleration then it has to be h264 or mpeg4
[14:57] <mute> raspbian7: rather sure it's accurate. but how often do you saturate 100mbps if it's not a file server
[14:57] <mute> lets see if i can limit it to 20
[14:58] <dirty_d> trevorman, is there also an audio requirement?
[14:58] <raspbian7> mute: What would you recommend for an ftp client?
[14:59] <raspbian7> I mean server
[14:59] <raspbian7> ftp server for the raspberry pi
[14:59] <trevorman> dirty_d: HD audio only just got merged into XBMC so if you want that then you'll have to wait
[14:59] <mute> oh i dunno. my debian VPS i just use pure-ftpd
[14:59] <mute> i don't use FTP often. it's usually disabled. mostly use scp
[15:00] <raspbian7> Hmm
[15:00] <trevorman> use SFTP :P
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[15:00] <mute> same thing !
[15:00] <trevorman> yeah
[15:00] <dirty_d> trevorman, as in DTS audio wont work with omxplayer?
[15:00] <raspbian7> okay what would you recommend for an scp server?
[15:00] <trevorman> dirty_d: it should work. not really tried it myself.
[15:00] <frankivo> raspbian7: openssh?
[15:00] <trevorman> raspbian7: openssh or dropbear
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[15:01] <trevorman> openssh if its a proper linux install
[15:01] <raspbian7> Oh so it should already be installed on raspbian?
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[15:01] <trevorman> yes but it may not be enabled by default
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[15:01] <raspbian7> How would I go about enabling it?
[15:02] <raspbian7> oh, sftp works
[15:03] <frankivo> :)
[15:03] <mute> seems a lot of that CPU usage was the performance tool itself. i switched roles of send/recv and CPU usage is 37% on the Pi
[15:04] <raspbian7> I don't think my router supports the ip tables thing.
[15:04] <mute> nuttcp-r: 75.9865 MB in 10.01 real seconds = 7773.60 KB/sec = 63.6813 Mbps
[15:04] <raspbian7> It's only got port forwarding and triggering
[15:05] <mute> ah
[15:05] <dirty_d> i thought the GPIO header didnt come with the board? i got one
[15:05] <mute> usually port forwarding you can specify say, input port 61022 forward 192.168.0.x:22
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: It does
[15:06] <raspbian7> dirty_d: it was changed last minute
[15:06] <dirty_d> ahh
[15:07] <raspbian7> mute: hmm
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[15:08] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I would have been dissapoint without a GPIO header, and would probably have borked the board trying to solder one on; good call there
[15:09] <raspbian7> mute: Nope, it won't let me
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[15:09] <raspbian7> Gadgetoid_mbp: I copied you,
[15:10] <mute> raspbian7: http://home.scottn.us/
[15:10] <mute> :D
[15:10] <Gadgetoid_mbp> raspbian7: link fail'd for me
[15:10] <raspbian7> bugger
[15:10] <mute> hence, i've not found much to run on the Pi since i've already that ..
[15:10] <raspbian7> they could see it earlier
[15:11] <raspbian7> mute: I got mine to email me when it boots
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[15:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> raspbian7: IP is being caught and redirected by our router for some reason
[15:14] <raspbian7> I'm not a russian spammer if that's what your routers insinuating :P
[15:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> raspbian7: it's insinuating that you're a chinese botnet command and control center :D
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[15:18] <IT_Sean> Gadgetoid_mbp: just install the flied_lice.dll on your router to solve that problem.
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[15:19] <Gadgetoid_mbp> IT_Sean: haha, overzealous router probably needs some flied lice to compromise it into calmness
[15:19] <dirty_d> i should be able to build omxplayer in qemu then just install the binaries on the real rpi to save hours of compiling right?
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[15:21] <PhonicUK> hey all
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[15:24] <Bensa> is Raspbian a better choice than Debian as of now?
[15:24] <Bensa> like, if you want working software
[15:25] <Bensa> rather than rough edges and h4x
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[15:27] <shirro> Bensa: there are still packages that will not build on armhf and getting them to build is going to take time
[15:28] <Bensa> yeh, guess Debian is the best choice atm
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[15:28] <frankivo> i hear Arch does quite well too
[15:28] <shirro> Not for me it isn't but it maybe for you. It depends what you need
[15:28] <Bensa> i just wanna play with the pi, so
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[15:29] <shirro> Yes, Arch is great. Really all the distros are. It just depends on what you need.
[15:29] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Don't go walking slow on your own in forbidden forest...
[15:29] <Bensa> :D
[15:29] <dirty_d> hmm, i see '-mfloat-abi=softfp' while building omxplayer
[15:29] <dirty_d> the rpi doesnt have a hardware fpu?
[15:30] <shirro> Debian is probably the easiest at the moment as it has some of the best support. I expect Raspbian will catch up
[15:30] <Bensa> but for performance they are pretty much the same? Except the raspbian packages
[15:30] <Bensa> yeh
[15:30] <shirro> dirty_d: yes it does. That is the abi, not the fpu
[15:30] <shirro> dirty_d: what distro are you compiling for?
[15:31] <dirty_d> shirro, ok, archlinux
[15:31] <dirty_d> using the PKGBUILD
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[15:32] <shirro> ok, not sure but I think arch is soft float abi so that would be right
[15:32] <dirty_d> ok
[15:33] <Bensa> shirro: Debian performance vs Arch performance is the same?
[15:34] <dirty_d> why wouldnt it
[15:34] <shirro> there are two incompatable ways of passing floating point arguments to functions. softfloat juggles them in and out of integer registers. hardfloat sends them in floating point registers. hardfloat is more efficient if you are doing lots of floting point ops. you can't run them together
[15:34] <Bensa> dirty_d: no idea, im just making sure :D
[15:35] <dirty_d> shirro, they would be on the stack not in registers wouldnt they?
[15:35] <shirro> arch will have pretty good performance. probably better than debian I would think.
[15:36] <shirro> dirty_d: not these days
[15:36] <dirty_d> is this arm specific?
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[15:37] <shirro> all cpus will pass stuff in registers for performance if they will fit. Obviously if you are passing hundreds of parameters they will not fit
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[15:38] <dirty_d> so if hard has better performance and this distro is made for rpi, then why dont they compile everything with hardfp?
[15:42] <shirro> compatibility mainly. most stuff doesn't gain much unless it uses heavy floating point so it isn't a big thing for most users.
[15:43] <dirty_d> ok
[15:43] <shirro> raspbian is totally hardfloat abi and I think so is OpenElec. It probably wouldn't be hard to make an Arch or Gentoo build hardfloat
[15:44] <shirro> The trouble is it is all or nothing. You can't have a hardloat binary link to softfloat libraries
[15:44] <dirty_d> does the entire system need to be compiled like that? or just the program and libraries it uses?
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[15:44] <dirty_d> ok
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[15:45] <neofutur> the pi can boot on a usb key or _need_ the sd card ?
[15:45] <dirty_d> damn, whoever made this PKGBUILD forgot a bunch of deps
[15:45] <trevorman> neofutur: needs Sd
[15:45] <shirro> The only way to mix them on a single system really is to use a chroot. So I can have a raspbian armhf chroot inside debian armel
[15:45] <mjr> "jus tthe program and libraries" is pretty much the entire system ;)
[15:45] <dirty_d> cannot find -lWFC
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> you can compile apps to use hard float with the soft-float abi - that's better, but not perfect...
[15:45] <dirty_d> what on earch is WFC
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[15:46] <gordonDrogon> actually, LXC virtualisation would work well on the Pi - you could then run Raspbian as a virtual host under it - the same kernel will handle both ABI's AIUI.
[15:46] <mjr> neofutur, firmware and kernel (possibly initrd) need to be on sd. You can have the root filesystem elsewhere if you like.
[15:46] <shirro> dirty_d: on Raspbian we found omxplayer could be built with existing packaged ffmpeg libs and libpcre and the broadcom things
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> LXc is like a "super" chroot environment. I use it in all my servers in the data centre..
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> Might give it a go when I have time...
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> zero performance overhead too.
[15:47] <dirty_d> damn
[15:47] <neofutur> mjr: grumph i could find a sd card but I hoped i could use the pi to write the OS on it
[15:48] <dirty_d> google cant figure out what these libs belong to
[15:48] <neofutur> my old laptop dot have the sd card reader ;(
[15:48] <shirro> gordonDrogon: yeah, is not so nice having duplication on the Pi's limited memory though
[15:48] <shirro> better to have a softfloat Pi and a hardfloat Pi
[15:48] <dirty_d> cannot find -lbcm_host
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[15:58] <zgreg> Bensa: it's no better or worse than debian armel
[15:58] <zgreg> however, raspbian performs much better
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[15:59] <zgreg> IMO raspbian is the only distro worth bothering with
[15:59] <raspbian_> I like it
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[16:00] <shirro> arch would be compiled for better than armv4t though wouldn't it? So it is probably marginally better than Debian in that gentoo-ish 1% way
[16:00] <zgreg> very marginally, probably
[16:01] <shirro> Ofcourse you probably lose whatever time you saved messing around with build flags and reading manuals
[16:02] <neofutur> is QTonPi a full distro or just a development kit ?
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[16:03] <shirro> neofutur: It is a project I think. To get Pi out to qt devs. The distro is to provide a development system I guess
[16:04] <shirro> They have their own irc channel. Don't see them much here
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[16:07] <zgreg> did the qtonpi developers get their devices yet?
[16:07] <dirty_d> well thats not good, running omxplayer i get killed by 'Illegal Instruction'
[16:07] <dirty_d> hopefully just because its running on qemu
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[16:11] <neofutur> ah thanks I ll ask on #qtonpi
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[16:12] <neofutur> another question, using micro SD card with the adapter should work ?
[16:13] <raspbian> work for what?
[16:13] <raspbian> Oh I see
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[16:13] <mjr> should work.
[16:13] <raspbian> neofutur: Yes, it worked for me. But micro sd's tend to be a lot slower
[16:13] <neofutur> ok thanks
[16:14] <neofutur> I ll try weith a transcend 8GB micro SDHC
[16:14] <neofutur> and add it on the wiki if it works
[16:14] <raspbian> neofutur: in the long term you might want to invest in an sd though
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[16:17] <raspbian> Do you think an envelope would make an alright case? Just to keep dust off it until I get a real case.
[16:18] <dwatkins> is it easy enough to boot the Pi from a USB stick?
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> raspbian: I'd recommend a small cardboard box
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> RaspberryPiBot: the one from RS is fine
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> (with nothing else as padding - just the box
[16:19] <dwatkins> SpeedEvil: I assume the Pi doesn't get too hot for cardboard...
[16:19] <ReggieUK> RaspberryPiBot has no fingers, stop with your cruel jokes
[16:19] <raspbian> hmm
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> maybe cut a couple of holes in as vents
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> dwatkins: nope
[16:19] <mjr> dwatkins, the kernel (and firmware) need to be booted from sd. Rest is easy to put on usb.
[16:19] <dwatkins> SpeedEvil: neat, I might make one of these, raspbian might find the plans handy: http://squareitround.co.uk/Resources/Punnet_net_Alpha3.pdf
[16:20] <dwatkins> mjr: aha, thanks :)
[16:20] <raspbian> is that the revised punnet?
[16:20] <raspbian> because the first punnet didn't really fit
[16:20] <SpeedEvil> dwatkins: that's fine.
[16:20] <raspbian> someone else on the forums had to redesign it
[16:20] <SpeedEvil> dwatkins: I'd suggest cardboard though, and not bother really about the holes so much
[16:20] <dwatkins> raspbian: hmmm, 'alpha 3' suggests it's not revised
[16:21] <dwatkins> SpeedEvil: yeah, I was just considering what thickness cardboard to use
[16:21] <raspbian> dwatkins: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6500
[16:21] <ReggieUK> that could also easily double up as a template for cutting a pi case from acrylic/perspex etc.
[16:22] <dwatkins> If I had the plans for a case made from separate parts, I might cut up some thin plastic I have spare.
[16:22] <ReggieUK> aluminium
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> If you use plastic - you must spray the inside with anti-static furniture polish or similar - IMO
[16:22] <ReggieUK> dwatkins, you have got plans for seperate parts if you cut carefully along the dotted lines
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[16:23] <dwatkins> ReggieUK: yeah, I wasn't sure if I'd have to take the thickness of the plastic into account.
[16:23] <dwatkins> I guess I could cut at 45 degrees.
[16:23] <raspbian> trial and error!
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[16:23] <dwatkins> yeah, that's part of the fun, raspbian :)
[16:25] <raspbian> mute: What did you use to display stats on your website?
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[16:28] <SpeedEvil> Simply cut a case out of a block of cheese.
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> Naturally anti-static.
[16:28] <mute> uhm. df -h
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[16:29] * ReggieUK stores all of his important data in cheese
[16:30] <frankivo> I heared parma-cheese is cheap these days
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[16:30] <raspbian> df -h
[16:31] <raspbian> So, you just echo'd to that the html?
[16:35] <mute> it's a cgi-bin
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[16:36] <mute> runs a script that just echo's a few things and then df -h
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[16:38] <raspbian> ok
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[16:53] <fanderson> I am a web developer who just got my Pi. If I wanted to simply run a full screen browser as a wall board, what is the simplest approach?
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[16:54] <GabrialDestruir> Don't.
[16:54] <raspbian> midori?
[16:54] <GabrialDestruir> Is the simplest approach.
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[16:54] <raspbian> in kiosk mode
[16:54] <GabrialDestruir> Without X Accel, a full screen browser will just suck.
[16:55] <fanderson> GabrialDestruir: I am not sure if you are serious, how is not approaching an approach?
[16:55] <fALSO> fanderson, because they forgot to tell the users
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[16:55] <fALSO> that that arent 2d drivers available
[16:55] <fALSO> so everything in X is super-slow
[16:55] <raspbian> no
[16:55] <dirty_d> so does bcm provide hard and softpf compiled versions of their proprietary libraries?
[16:55] <dirty_d> they must right?
[16:56] <raspbian> it's not *that* slow if you turn everything off
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[16:56] <fanderson> raspbian: I will start with that, if it proves to be too slow I will return to the mac mini.
[16:57] <fALSO> dont waste your time
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[16:57] <raspbian> someone else was having trouble getting midori to use the full resolution without starting x up first
[16:58] <fanderson> This is my first day here in the IRC, is it always this negative? "Don't waste your time" "Don't Try" ?
[16:59] <raspbian> fanderson: I guess it depends on the time of day
[16:59] <fALSO> its just because its it
[16:59] <fALSO> you will waste your time
[16:59] <fALSO> it will just work if you have a static page
[16:59] <fALSO> if you anything with animations or something like that
[16:59] <blob25> hi all
[16:59] <fALSO> forget
[16:59] <arfonzo> fanderson: mostly, yes. Unfortunately.
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> fanderson: If people believe that you can't get things to work - do you want them to sugar-coat it?
[17:00] <fanderson> let me ask you this, if I learn to build an SD card, has it been a waste of time?
[17:00] <fALSO> nop
[17:00] <fALSO> you will learn
[17:00] <fanderson> SpeedEvil: no. but if I stoped trying everytime someone believed I could not do it, I would not be where I am
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> Is it a waste of time - in all respects - no - if it can't do what you want.
[17:00] <fALSO> in the fanderson case he will just learn that: it wont be of any use, like we told him
[17:00] <fanderson> I appreciate the warnings, dont get me wrong..
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[17:01] <fanderson> and I will not spend my time trying to convince you of a more constructive way to share your experiences.
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> fanderson: There is that point, but there is also the point that people trying to make supersonic aircraft out of toiletrolls should perhaps be pointed in other directions.
[17:01] <cromag> fanderson: what is your goal at this point ?
[17:01] <fanderson> thanks for the info.
[17:01] <raspbian> Just sign a disclaimer form first
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[17:01] <fALSO> huhuhuh drama
[17:01] <blob25> lol
[17:02] <raspbian> lol you guys are so mean
[17:02] <cromag> not regarding the negativity :D
[17:02] <cromag> but with sdcard :)
[17:02] * blob25 laughs at his first day on irc :)
[17:02] <fALSO> i dont think im being mean
[17:02] <fALSO> the rpi foundation are the ones that are being mean
[17:02] <fALSO> by not specificly saying this stuff on their site
[17:02] <fALSO> people just learn about it , when they receive it
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> It's about as fast as a 12 year old laptop, with no video accelleration.
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> (unless you can use the 3d accel, or video decoders)
[17:03] <cromag> bah - he left!
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[17:03] <cromag> i didnt even seethat
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> Oh
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[17:05] <SSilver2k2> http://blog.sheasilverman.com/?p=37 - posted the MAME compiled source as well as a small howto
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[17:11] <cromag> THAT is awsome
[17:11] <cromag> mame on the PI is a winner
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[17:12] <blkhawk> hmmm - looking for a router solutiuon that allows me to bond channels
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[17:12] <fALSO> nice ssilver2k2
[17:12] <fALSO> does it run on Framebuffer?
[17:12] <SSilver2k2> so far it only runs on the commandline without X
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[17:13] <SSilver2k2> though it may work on X, i havent actually tried
[17:13] <SSilver2k2> im also running it on a TV through RCA
[17:13] <cromag> doest it play rom's ?
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[17:13] <SSilver2k2> ive gotten pacman, mspacman, bubblebobble and 1942 running
[17:13] <SSilver2k2> galaga of all things had slowdown
[17:13] <fALSO> do you get output ?
[17:13] <cromag> those are the only real games anyway
[17:14] <SSilver2k2> bubble bobble ran perfectly
[17:14] <fALSO> nice
[17:14] <SSilver2k2> mspacman ran great
[17:14] <SSilver2k2> 1942 was fine
[17:15] <SSilver2k2> if anybody wants to try it out, and let me know if the instructions need cleaning up, im more than willing to take any feedback
[17:15] <Bensa> any rasmbcer's?
[17:15] <Bensa> raspbmc
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[17:18] <raspbian> nno
[17:19] <ReggieUK> SSilver2k2, can you test robotron and tempest?
[17:19] <neofutur> (17:56) <+ fALSO> the rpi foundation are the ones that are being mean
[17:19] <neofutur> (17:56) <+ fALSO> by not specificly saying this stuff on their site
[17:19] <SSilver2k2> ReggieUK: sure. PM me the games you want tested since im at work right now and can't do it until later
[17:19] <neofutur> if its true there are no 2d drivers its true they should say it
[17:19] <neofutur> i was also planing on not using X . . .
[17:20] <fALSO> also... i think that there isnt also a sound driver
[17:20] <raspbian> I'm not using x right now!
[17:20] <fALSO> at least some weeks are there wasnt any
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[17:20] <fALSO> no working alsa driver
[17:20] <jocafa> Got it all working this morning when i got to work! http://www.flickr.com/photos/jocafa/7160032481/in/photostream
[17:20] <fALSO> maybe that has changed
[17:21] <trevorman> ReggieUK: you need a spinner for tempest though :(
[17:21] <trevorman> hm. wonder how hard it would be to interface one to the GPIOs...
[17:21] <raspbian> jocafa: noice
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[17:22] <dirty_d> trevorman, interface what?
[17:22] <blkhawk> whats a cheap arm ingle board computer running linux that can handle 100mbit+ cable?
[17:22] <trevorman> a spinner
[17:22] <blkhawk> by handle i mean is able tto route
[17:22] <dirty_d> whats that?
[17:22] <trevorman> blkhawk: routerboards can do that but they're not ARM
[17:23] <beardface> yargh i hate the internet; someone told me to stop selling my raspberry pi case, because it was too close to theirs
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[17:23] <blkhawk> trevorman: doesn't have to be arm as long as they suck less power than a PC
[17:23] <blkhawk> and run linux
[17:23] <trevorman> dirty_d: its a controller for some old arcade games. think a massive rotary encoder.
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> blkhawk: pogoplug?
[17:23] <raspbian> beardface: 3d printed?
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> Isn't that GE?
[17:23] <beardface> A) every case that fits a raspberry pi will be similar, and B) That goes completely against the point of open hardware
[17:23] <beardface> raspbian: yes
[17:23] <trevorman> blkhawk: well routerboard will do that. you can run openwrt on it.
[17:23] <blkhawk> SpeedEvil: the pogoplug has 1 ethernet port
[17:24] <beardface> I redesigned my case to make it more 'unique' but really, he had no right IMHO
[17:24] <dirty_d> trevorman, i think interfacing an avr that interfaces the spinner might work better
[17:24] <raspbian> beardface: tell them where they can shove their cease and desist
[17:24] <trevorman> I've got a 450G and its got 5 gigabit ethernet ports and can route over 100mbps
[17:24] <beardface> raspbian: i would, but they threatened to alert ebay to end my auctions
[17:24] <blkhawk> i havemultiple options sitting here but none are ideal - looking into routerboard
[17:24] <beardface> i have other auctions and don't want one dick to impact all my sales
[17:24] <raspbian> beardface: ebay wouldn't care
[17:24] <beardface> i'd rather just drive to wherever he lives, and tell him to eat my ass
[17:24] <trevorman> dirty_d: prolly. you'd need a ton of level translation anyway so putting in some cheap uC to do all the precise timing would be better
[17:24] <beardface> probably a 12 yr old
[17:25] <raspbian> beardface: He's full of hot air
[17:25] <beardface> his 'compromise' was to have me give him 20% of all my sales
[17:25] <raspbian> ...
[17:25] <beardface> I considered moving my price to .01 penny and charging shipping only
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> hah
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[17:25] <beardface> as a F-U to him
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[17:25] <beardface> but instead i just redesigned my case, its better anyway.
[17:25] <IT_Sean> !!????
[17:25] <trevorman> beardface: its a case for a specific object i.e. RPi. they're all going to kind of look similar. thats a really stupid argument by that other person ><
[17:25] <raspbian> beardface: I don't think ebay likes that because it bypasses fees
[17:25] <beardface> I agree
[17:25] <beardface> Oh, I hate people who charge shipping only
[17:26] <beardface> but that was my compromise
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[17:26] <raspbian> beardface: Don't compromise at all
[17:26] <beardface> Anyway, I'll have a new case design on ebay / for sale tomorrow
[17:26] <beardface> it really does look better
[17:26] <trevorman> ?1 auction! Only ?30 to ship! >.>
[17:26] <IT_Sean> I hate that
[17:26] <raspbian> beardface: Fight back, report his auctions, threaten his kids.
[17:26] <beardface> raspbian: oh i plan to do that soon
[17:26] <raspbian> maybe not the kids part
[17:26] <beardface> I've started a github to track all my progress start-to-finish on my case
[17:27] <IT_Sean> I usually report those auctions for excessive shipping charges, then hit the Buy it Now after ebay forces the seller to reduce the shipping. :p
[17:27] <beardface> so if he comes at me again, i'll have a complete workign history
[17:27] <mkopack> I just basically have given up on ebay altogether
[17:27] <raspbian> beardface: wouldn't he need a patent for the design?
[17:27] <beardface> he said something like 'my design is completely unique and gives me an advantage in the market'
[17:27] <beardface> his design is a box, with holes for ports
[17:27] <beardface> i want to stab him
[17:27] <beardface> raspbian: he listed it on thingivesre as CC-NC
[17:28] <beardface> (Collective Commons Non Commercial)
[17:28] <beardface> so that he could be the only one to sell a raspberry pi case
[17:28] <mkopack> Unless he has 1) patented/copywriten his design or 2) you stole a copy of his cad/3D printing files, I'd tell him to go pound sand
[17:28] <beardface> i dont know what the point of even posting it was
[17:28] <raspbian> beardface: don't stab him, just tell him he's delusional we live in a capitalist society.
[17:28] <beardface> he is definitely delusional
[17:28] <dirty_d> does the GPIO have SPI or just I2C?
[17:28] <Owner> good thing he doesnt know your real name!
[17:28] <raspbian> mkopack: I don't think copyright would count because copyright is automatic
[17:28] <beardface> hm, maybe i'll do that
[17:28] <trevorman> dirty_d: both
[17:29] <dirty_d> trevorman, do you know the max speeds?
[17:29] <trevorman> nope
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[17:29] <trevorman> the SPI port is very unlikely to hit the really high speeds though
[17:29] <trevorman> It says I2C is up to 400Kb/s
[17:30] <raspbian> beardface: what's his profile page? I want to see this revolutionary design of his
[17:30] <beardface> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:23430
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[17:30] <mkopack> I've seen that one??? I don't see what's so special about it
[17:31] <beardface> I could say he based it on this: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:16104
[17:31] <mkopack> and that big R on the top is STUPID looking
[17:31] <raspbian> lol, it's not even a good case
[17:31] <raspbian> there are much better cases out there
[17:31] <dirty_d> trevorman, SPI apparently goes up to 250MHz
[17:31] <raspbian> you can't patent a box
[17:31] <dirty_d> id only use 1Mhz though
[17:31] <mkopack> Yeah, I'd tell him to stick it
[17:31] <trevorman> dirty_d: 250mhz on the rpi?
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[17:31] <beardface> this is _was_ my case: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-XOwNsUEAzuI/T8w0yJ1fojI/AAAAAAAAIE0/UUGPJaLD6Qc/w416-h312-k/20120603_224459.jpg
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[17:31] <raspbian> stick it where the sun doesn't shine
[17:31] <dirty_d> trevorman, theoretically, it wouldnt work though
[17:31] <mkopack> It's a box with holes.. the holes are going to be in the same space for EVERY case...
[17:32] <n17ikh> I doubt you can run the pi's spi at 250MHz
[17:32] <beardface> Exactly.
[17:32] <trevorman> dirty_d: the rpi won't do that :P
[17:32] <SSilver2k2> beardface: ill buy a case from you
[17:32] <trevorman> dirty_d: I don't know what the SoC is capable of
[17:32] <dirty_d> i wonder how good of an oscilliscope i could make with an atxmega and and rpi and opengl
[17:32] <mkopack> beard: Yours looks nice (although, again, I'm no a fan of the Pi symbol on the top...)
[17:32] <beardface> Really? I like the Pi Symbol on there
[17:32] <dirty_d> might be able to get 1Msps
[17:32] <raspbian> beardface: get rid of the pi
[17:33] <n17ikh> I'd say 1Msps easily
[17:33] <beardface> hm, i guess I will for the next case
[17:33] <mkopack> Eh, just seems pointless to me???
[17:33] <trevorman> dirty_d: it'd work but anything more than a few MHz is going to be too fast
[17:33] <raspbian> beardface: if you really need the pi then make it recessed by not all the way through
[17:33] <dirty_d> trevorman, i never work with things that fast anyway
[17:33] <mkopack> So maybe remove that, maybe do just a couple little slots on the top for venting and then I don't see how the heck he can get upset???
[17:33] <mkopack> A box is a box is a box
[17:33] <raspbian> he's probably only a kid
[17:33] <mkopack> probably
[17:34] <raspbian> beardface: I like the mounting holes
[17:34] <trevorman> dirty_d: http://www.gabotronics.com/development-boards/xmega-xprotolab.htm
[17:34] <mkopack> What I need is some way to stack 3 together...
[17:34] <IT_Sean> does anyone make a VESA mount raspi case yet?
[17:34] <beardface> raspbian: the new case is a lot better
[17:34] <blkhawk> looking at the RB750GL seems like it might work for me
[17:34] <trevorman> its a tiny scope that somebody made with an AVR and a little OLED screen
[17:34] <beardface> the mounting holes have caps on them to keep screws from shorting the board
[17:34] <trevorman> mkopack: duct tape? >.>
[17:34] <raspbian> IT_Sean: modmypi is vesa mount
[17:35] <mkopack> I was looking at the PiHouse http://www.bitbarn.co.uk/thepishop/pihouse.htm
[17:35] <IT_Sean> groovy
[17:35] <raspbian> they have an irc channel now
[17:35] <dirty_d> trevorman, wow, thats the same avr i was planning on using
[17:35] <beardface> SSilver2k2: I'll have a new ebay auction up today or tomorrow
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[17:35] <mkopack> I need to stack 3 Rpi's, plus the PandaES + 2(3?) External 2.5" drives, a couple usb hubs and a 4 port Ethernet switch
[17:35] <mkopack> and possibly a 4-port HDMI switchbox
[17:36] <trevorman> mkopack: RPis and a Pandaboard?
[17:36] <ReggieUK> you should look at the cypress cy7c68013 based boards if you want to try your hand at a scope/analyser through the pi
[17:36] <raspbian> mkopack: stick a sheevaplug in there aswell for good measure
[17:36] <ReggieUK> sigrok should work on the pi
[17:36] <neofutur> yeah theres a howto ( try to get a ) gentoo on pi : http://wiki.gentoo.org/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi&redirect=no
[17:36] <mkopack> raspbian: lol, I have one of those as well...
[17:36] <beardface> Oh man, that guy who told me tnot to sell my case
[17:36] <beardface> WHAT A DICK
[17:37] <beardface> here is a post by him "New to 3d printing and cad but my friends tell me I am a natural at it."
[17:37] <ReggieUK> beardface, I appreciate the guy is annoying you but please watch the language :)
[17:37] <raspbian> my rule of thumb: don't trust a friends opinion on design
[17:37] <mkopack> but it's used as my Zonefinder home video monitoring system
[17:37] <beardface> the D?
[17:37] <beardface> sorry thought tha twas PG
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[17:38] <raspbian> beardface: the PG rating spec according to the MPAA allows for some profanity
[17:38] <mkopack> lol
[17:39] <raspbian> There may also be some brief nudity
[17:39] <ReggieUK> it does and I do but not much and I really didn't want it to escalate into something
[17:39] * beardface flashes
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[17:39] <drazyltoo> it's not the kids you have to worry about, it's their parents
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[17:40] <IT_Sean> beardface: put that away!
[17:40] <IT_Sean> nobody wants to see your... .... ... dongle.
[17:40] <raspbian> parents are warned against sending their children, unseen and without inquiry to a PG-rated film, surely the same should apply here.
[17:40] <beardface> no no... its a floppy
[17:40] <mkopack> Eh, basically, I'd reply to him and say "Look, it's a case. there are a BUNCH of 3D printed cases out there that all basically look the same. I didn't copy your files, I didn't copy your exact design. If you can't deal with that TOUGH. "
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[17:41] <raspbian> exactly, the kid is full of excrement
[17:41] <mkopack> Alternatively, put little useless lips and overhangs and such in your design and then tell him to screw off
[17:41] <ReggieUK> looking at the guys thingyverse page, he's posted everything up there
[17:41] <ReggieUK> links etc.
[17:41] <ReggieUK> and not mentioned copyright on his page
[17:41] <beardface> copyright is on the very bottom
[17:41] <mkopack> Is the way he went around the audio + composite jacks the same as you did them?
[17:41] <ReggieUK> I missed that
[17:41] <raspbian> mkopack: yeah
[17:42] <beardface> "Raspberry Pi Case by wamd is licensed under the Attribution - Non-Commercial - Creative Commons license."
[17:42] <raspbian> there's a gap between the audio and composite jacks on both designs
[17:42] <drazyltoo> copyright doesn't cover design tho
[17:42] <dirty_d> speaking of cases, recommendations?
[17:42] <raspbian> drazyltoo: patent?
[17:43] <drazyltoo> particularly if it is necessary for practical use
[17:43] <beardface> the CC-NC license covers the files
[17:43] <drazyltoo> quite
[17:43] <beardface> not what you make with the files
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[17:43] <raspbian> dirty_d: skpang, modmypi, punnet, lego, allied have one now
[17:43] <dirty_d> ok
[17:43] <beardface> that is like saying, i CC-NC this tasty cookie recipe
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[17:43] <beardface> but dont sell them at a bake sale
[17:43] <drazyltoo> this is where you get into registered designs, design patents, trade dress etc
[17:43] <drazyltoo> none of which apply to him
[17:44] <raspbian> drazyltoo: Plus he's a little kid.
[17:44] <raspbian> So it's unlikely he's applied for a patent pending
[17:45] <IT_Sean> Just ignore the little mouth breather
[17:45] <ReggieUK> how does the foundations logo fit in with his copywrong?
[17:45] <drazyltoo> I would just politely point out that his case is pretty much the same as the others, and he probably does not want to make threats like that in the big world as the adults are talking
[17:45] <raspbian> beardface: Just put him in his place, but don't try and scare him about the business. What he did was wrong, but once he knows that you don't need to match him
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[17:47] <ReggieUK> point out that it's going to be hard and expensive for him to try and prove you stole his magic beans and ultimately prove futile
[17:47] <raspbian> "You may not:
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[17:47] <blkhawk> HAH!
[17:47] <raspbian> use the Raspberry Pi Marks as part of your company name, company logo or product name;"
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[17:47] <blkhawk> farnell uses royal mail: transit time is 14 days
[17:47] <blkhawk> Rs online uses dhl
[17:48] <blkhawk> 18 hours
[17:48] <drazyltoo> "Are functional or industrial articles protected by copyright?
[17:48] <drazyltoo> Copyright may protect the drawing from which an article is made, but it cannot prevent the manufacture of purely industrial articles. For information on protection of industrial articles see design right.
[17:48] <drazyltoo> However, articles that are replicated by an industrial process, but which are of an aesthetically pleasing appearance may be protected by copyright where the article itself is an artistic work. This includes sculptures as well as works of artistic craftsmanship. Where it is possible to obtain a registered design for such articles, the copyright term will be reduced to match the term of protection for registered designs."
[17:48] <blkhawk> HOW in the world is it possible for a package to take 14 days
[17:48] <raspbian> blkhawk: where do you live?
[17:48] <blkhawk> it would be faster via bicycle
[17:48] <drazyltoo> (that is from the UK but probably the basics apply most places)
[17:48] <blkhawk> Germany
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[17:48] <trevorman> blkhawk: its not. they're just giving you a really long time when it'll actually take about a day or two
[17:48] <raspbian> treq
[17:49] <blkhawk> trevorman: its already taking 8
[17:49] <raspbian> trevorman: I'd say a week max
[17:49] <trevorman> I thought Farnell used DHL as well for international?
[17:49] <blkhawk> normall royal mail stuff takes at least 10days for me
[17:49] <raspbian> blkhawk: then wait 2 days then
[17:49] <blkhawk> trevorman: yes thats what they toldme at first
[17:49] <rotozip> My Pi is out for delivery. Ordered 3/3/2012.
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[17:50] <raspbian> RIP Ray Bradbury
[17:50] <blkhawk> i'm not complaining because it takes this long
[17:50] <blkhawk> i'm complaining because rs online is that fast
[17:50] <blkhawk> and its retarded tht it takes so long
[17:50] <blkhawk> what is royal mail doing? does the queen have o stamp packages personally?
[17:51] <drazyltoo> blkhawk - why so long?
[17:51] <Davespice> ladies and gents, has anyone sucessfully set up a wireless card using NDISwrapper on the Pi?
[17:51] <raspbian> blkhawk: It's a mostly state owned company. And they go on strike every other week
[17:51] <blkhawk> drazyltoo: no idea really - I assume there is some deal going on where royal mail has to fill up a boat or something
[17:51] <drazyltoo> Davespice will that work - isn;t that limited to x86?
[17:52] <raspbian> wouldn't it go via train?
[17:52] <raspbian> Davespice: I got a wifi dongle working, but not with ndiswrapper
[17:52] <Davespice> drazyltoo: not sure... as far as I know its just a driver adaptor to allow a windows driver to be used
[17:52] <blkhawk> raspbian: it wouldn't take this long even with draisine
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[17:53] <blkhawk> ndsiswrapper only works on x86
[17:53] <raspbian> blkhawk: perhaps they lost it
[17:53] <blkhawk> erm
[17:53] <blkhawk> mails by royal mail take at least 10 days normally for me so i am not woried about that
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[17:53] <raspbian> then why are you even asking?
[17:53] <blkhawk> its just boggles the mind that they take this long
[17:54] <raspbian> I'm sure noone here works for the royal mail
[17:54] <blkhawk> i had hoped for some insight
[17:54] <blkhawk> like ya they still have to carry everything everywhere on foot becvause of a royal degree
[17:54] <raspbian> it's just a name
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[17:56] <raspbian> does stuff within the EU have to go through customs?
[17:56] <blkhawk> raspbian: but it would be an explanation
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[17:56] <blkhawk> NO
[17:56] <blkhawk> unless the uk is secial in that way
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[17:56] <Davespice> okay thanks for the info guys, I've got a spare Netgear WG111 unused and though about giving it a go, so far looks like there are no open source drivers for it
[17:56] <blkhawk> maybe they still inspect
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[17:57] <raspbian> Davespice: but we didn't give you any info
[17:57] <Davespice> raspbian: yeah you did, I was told ndiswrapper only works for x86 :)
[17:58] <Davespice> I should've guess this really, as I am sure the windows driver will have some x86 compiled code in it
[17:58] <raspbian> blkhawk: does this help? http://www.royalmail.com/small-medium-business/international-business/using-international-services/delivery-other-countries/delivery-process
[17:58] <dirty_d> hmm, if i have a DVI to HDMI cable for my computer to my TV, can i plug the HDMI side in the rpi, and the DVI side in a computer monitor?
[17:58] <dirty_d> its interchangable right?
[17:58] <drazyltoo> yeah, as far as I know it just converts linux api calls to ndis style calls, sort of like a very specific subset of wine :)
[17:58] <dirty_d> electrically
[17:58] <raspbian> dirty_d: Yes, but you won't get sound through the hdmi
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[17:58] <dirty_d> right
[17:58] <blkhawk> raspbian: so the machines run really slow and break a lot?
[17:59] <neofutur> could someone pastebin an example of raspberrypi fstab ?
[17:59] <neofutur> could seem silly question, but the "Don't forget to adjust /etc/fstab and /etc/shadow root password. " on http://wiki.gentoo.org/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi is a little bit short
[17:59] <raspbian> blkhawk: There's a video somewhere of youtube of an amazon package getting stuck on conveyer belt with an incline
[17:59] <blkhawk> ehehe
[17:59] <raspbian> blkhawk: It keeps rolling down it so it perpetually stays in the same place
[18:00] <dirty_d> lol
[18:00] <blkhawk> "If surface/economy is selected then it is most likely to travel by boat for most non-European countries. "
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[18:00] <blkhawk> that impies it goes by train
[18:00] <blkhawk> or plane but i dount that
[18:01] <raspbian> blkhawk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxX1kA-nhZk
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[18:02] <blkhawk> raspbian: i wonder how loing until that package is round
[18:02] <raspbian> I feel sorry for the recipient
[18:02] <raspbian> Hope it wasn't fragile
[18:02] <neofutur> partitions will be seen as /dev/mmcblk0p2 ?
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[18:02] <Yngwiie> neofutur: http://pastebin.com/3civTBvt
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[18:03] <neofutur> Yngwiie: thanks ;)
[18:03] <neofutur> ah yours see /dev/mmcblk0p1
[18:03] <neofutur> some examples say /dev/mmcblk0p2
[18:03] <neofutur> how can i know which i need ?
[18:03] <raspbian> trial and error
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[18:04] <Yngwiie> here it is with the output of the mount command: http://pastebin.com/tKAaKZ79
[18:04] <neofutur> hum p1 for /boot and p2 for the system ?
[18:04] <Yngwiie> mount is a bit bellow
[18:04] <Yngwiie> this is a default arch linux install
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[18:07] <neofutur> yup probably with one partition only
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[18:07] <neofutur> i have 3, boot, root and swap
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[18:07] <Yngwiie> i have two actually
[18:07] <Yngwiie> p1 and p2
[18:07] <dirty_d> are any of you using omxplayer?
[18:08] <Yngwiie> the /dev/root one is a rootfs one, so it is probably using the p2 partition
[18:08] <Limb_> ReggieUK: Before when you said scope through the pi, you didnt mean turning the pi into an actual scope.. did you?
[18:08] <neofutur> Yngwiie: but only p1 shows in your fstab ?
[18:08] <Yngwiie> yes
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[18:08] <blkhawk> dirty_d: using ... not quite yet
[18:08] <blkhawk> but i tested it
[18:08] <dirty_d> how did you test it without your pi?
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[18:09] <Yngwiie> neofutur: in /boot in the file cmdline.txt i have root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4, amongst other things
[18:10] <neofutur> ok
[18:10] <neofutur> thanks
[18:10] <neofutur> is ext4 recommended or ext3 is ok ?
[18:10] <blkhawk> i have a pi
[18:10] <blkhawk> but only 1
[18:11] <blkhawk> i desire more
[18:11] <neofutur> Yngwiie: I could use your full cmdline.txt too ;)
[18:11] <Yngwiie> ok one sec
[18:11] <raspbian> ext3 isn't good for flash
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[18:11] <blkhawk> i originally ordered with farnell right away
[18:11] <blkhawk> and registered my interest with rs online as a backup
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[18:11] <Yngwiie> neofutur: http://pastebin.com/zqcuvJ4x
[18:12] <dirty_d> blkhawk, have you played anything with dts audio?
[18:12] <blkhawk> turned out that was a wise choice
[18:12] <blkhawk> or i would be foaming at farnell
[18:12] <blkhawk> erm
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[18:12] <blkhawk> you mean over the HDMI port?
[18:12] <dirty_d> blkhawk, yea
[18:12] <blkhawk> yes and no
[18:12] <blkhawk> I have no HDMI device capble of playing
[18:12] <neofutur> Yngwiie: many thanks ;)
[18:12] <Yngwiie> np
[18:13] <dirty_d> blkhawk, but in theory it works fine right?
[18:13] <blkhawk> so i do the -o local thing
[18:13] <blkhawk> i assume so
[18:13] <blkhawk> omxplayer is a bit wonky
[18:13] <blkhawk> or so i noticed
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[18:13] <dirty_d> oh noes
[18:13] <blkhawk> certain format take exactly 40 seconds warm up time before they play
[18:14] <blkhawk> flv for instance
[18:14] <blkhawk> others like mpeg1 just don't play at all
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[18:14] <dirty_d> i only care about HD video
[18:14] <dirty_d> h264 + DTS or whatever else is common audio
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[18:20] <raspbian> mega_huge_cock: hi, nice nick
[18:20] <dirty_d> lol
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[18:20] <mega_huge_cock> :D
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[18:21] <D-side> i'm lurking and searching the logs for wifi usb nic suggestions, but if someone one wants to chime in, great.
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[18:22] <mega_huge_cock> sorry
[18:22] <mega_huge_cock> haha
[18:22] <raspbian> IT_Sean: He might have had auto-join on
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[18:22] <megaproxy> it was in another chan
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[18:22] <IT_Sean> I don't give a toss. come in hear again with that nic, and you are out perminantly.
[18:22] <megaproxy> mmmmkay.
[18:22] <D-side> so if anyone was paying attention to my question about wifi, disregard and thanks anyway.
[18:23] <raspbian> D-side: huh
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[18:23] <D-side> i dont want to waste a usb port on it, nor do i particularly want to use a usb hub, so... i'll just get an ethernet-to-wifi bridge device
[18:23] <raspbian> D-side: do you know the chipset?
[18:23] <D-side> only like $20ish more than a usb wifi nic
[18:24] <D-side> raspbian: my new plan makes worrying about linux wifi tools a non-issue :)
[18:24] <raspbian> Bit of a waste of money though
[18:24] <Syliss> yeah no kidding
[18:24] <D-side> for the $20-$30 USD its not bad.
[18:24] <D-side> considering how much is saved by using a rpi instead of another small form box
[18:25] <raspbian> Paying $20 extra for a $35 computer
[18:25] <D-side> in case i decide to change my mind yet again, any personal recommendations on usb wifi nic?
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[18:26] <raspbian> D-side: There's a list on the wiki of working peripherals
[18:26] <D-side> oh hell
[18:26] <raspbian> I'll go fetch it
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[18:26] <D-side> i'm sorry i bothered you
[18:26] <D-side> i should have looked there first, thanks
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[18:26] <raspbian> D-side: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
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[18:27] <D-side> thanks, appreciated
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[18:27] <raspbian> D-side: Sorry I can't be much more help than that. I'm not much of a linux guy
[18:28] <Syliss> cool, the price of the lap dock on amazon keeps dropping.
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[18:28] <raspbian7> Syliss: the motorola one?
[18:28] <Syliss> yep
[18:29] <raspbian7> It seems a bit pointless to me. Unless you have a specially made case then you're going to have a bunch of wires everywhere
[18:29] <Syliss> i am
[18:29] <Syliss> I'm going to make one
[18:30] <Syliss> i have a gc for ebay so i can buy the hdmi adapter
[18:30] <D-side> i cant seem to find the list of supported devices. still looking.
[18:30] <Syliss> D-side: are you looking for wifi?
[18:30] <raspbian7> D-side: did you go to the link I posted?
[18:30] <D-side> raspbian7: yeah absolutely
[18:31] <raspbian7> D-side: You need to scroll down
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[18:31] <D-side> raspbian7: i have no excuse
[18:31] <D-side> that
[18:31] <D-side> that's the dumbest thing i've done today.
[18:32] <D-side> Syliss: yeah
[18:32] <Syliss> nice
[18:32] <raspbian7> D-side: That page has some weird formatting at the top, so it has a massive gap for some reason
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[18:33] <D-side> yeah exactly my issue. still feel stupid though. thanks.
[18:33] <raspbian7> D-side: Especially as normally on a wiki the links at the top of a page bring you to different sections within the page, instead these just link you to different pages
[18:33] <D-side> My rpi shows up tomorrow so I'm trying to get all my ducks in a row. have an sd card ready with raspbmc, printed out that card stock paper case (punnet i think)
[18:33] <D-side> raspbian7: thanks, you're making me feel better.
[18:34] <raspbian7> D-side: Don't worry, you're not the only one!
[18:34] <raspbian7> D-side: You might also want to try openelec and darkelec
[18:34] <Syliss> yeah i was like wtf when i saw it
[18:34] <Syliss> openelec works well
[18:34] <D-side> hah $25 for a micro usb adapter
[18:34] <Syliss> I'm going to try dark soon
[18:34] <D-side> this might be a winner
[18:35] <D-side> dark?
[18:35] <D-side> raspbian7: yeah I'm gonna try all of them
[18:35] <GabrialDestruir> and then tomorrow....
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[18:35] <D-side> oh darkelec, question rescinded
[18:35] <GabrialDestruir> You find out the postman stole it from the truck.
[18:35] <D-side> http://www.staples.com/Netgear-G54-N150-Wireless-USB-Micro-Adapter/product_927666
[18:35] <Syliss> $25 micro usb adapter?
[18:35] <D-side> that's compelling.
[18:35] <D-side> Syliss: wifi. supported chipset.
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> Afternoon peeps!
[18:35] <Syliss> ah
[18:36] <GabrialDestruir> Or rather, that it went 'missing' but you know the postman took it.
[18:36] <D-side> question is whether it'll draw too much power or not. we'll find out.
[18:36] <raspbian7> afternono
[18:36] <hotwings> $25 for a mini usb wifi? ouch
[18:36] <D-side> GabrialDestruir: the postmen in this town are lucky to find their way around the neighborhood i think
[18:36] <D-side> ouch?
[18:36] <D-side> okay so
[18:36] <Bensa> any Raspbmc users unable to install skins or addons?
[18:36] <D-side> when did $25 become expensive? seriously
[18:36] <GabrialDestruir> Too expensive for a USB adapter .-.
[18:37] <D-side> i remember spending double that years ago
[18:37] <D-side> but its been years since i've given a damn about usb wifi
[18:37] <Syliss> hence years
[18:37] <D-side> yeah but double then
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[18:37] <D-side> so half now seems about right.
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[18:37] <Syliss> well must get, bbl
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[18:38] <D-side> wonder how problematic wlan tools will be.
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[18:38] <raspbian7> I'm using one of these, http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001KOTDDU , which I managed to get working but I can't remember how! lol
[18:39] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315091
[18:39] <hotwings> does anyone know definitively whether the gpu has hw deinterlacing or not?
[18:39] <raspbian7> hotwings: email liz
[18:40] <D-side> GabrialDestruir: not bad at all.
[18:40] <raspbian7> GabrialDestruir: same brand as mine
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[18:40] <raspbian7> edimax are pretty good
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[18:40] <D-side> hotwings: should be able to determine from the GPU's datasheet
[18:40] <D-side> probably available at broadcom's site
[18:40] <D-side> but as i havent looked, i could be wrong
[18:41] <hotwings> i checked broadcoms site some time ago but details on the videocore iv were pretty thin
[18:42] <D-side> okay
[18:42] <raspbian7> did the main blog post a datasheet a while back?
[18:43] <D-side> it did
[18:43] <D-side> but it doesnt address this concern
[18:43] <D-side> i concur: email liz
[18:44] <Habbie> are there any visual differences between RS and Farnell boards?
[18:44] <D-side> dunno.
[18:44] <hotwings> email liz it is i guess. hopefully she'll know
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> Yay! - cmp debian6-19-04-2012.img /dev/mmcblk0
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> cmp: EOF on debian6-19-04-2012.img
[18:44] <D-side> board layout will remain the same
[18:44] <hotwings> or can find o ut
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> I guess that's ready for testing then
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[18:45] <raspbian7> Habbie: Someone said that the components were straighter on the 2nd batch
[18:46] <Habbie> ah
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[18:46] <Habbie> actually i'm asking because i gave my RS pi to a friend
[18:46] <Habbie> and he says the components are not straight
[18:46] <Habbie> something i did not notice with my farnell pi
[18:46] <raspbian7> Habbie: They should be identical.
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[18:46] <raspbian7> *should*
[18:46] <Habbie> :)
[18:46] <shaulkr> Nice, rt5370 works without a powered usb hub
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[18:47] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, yes the silkscreen printing is different.
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[18:47] <Habbie> ah
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[18:48] <Habbie> got pics?
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> Er, I could make some. hang on.
[18:48] <Habbie> awesome
[18:48] <jocafa> is there a good way to figure out what ip address the pi gets from dhcp? does it do anything like broadcast over zeroconf "hey i'm raspberrypi.local" or something?
[18:48] <jocafa> (no display)
[18:48] <Habbie> jocafa, if you install avahi-daemon it will - otherwise i suggest tcpdump or a ping sweep
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> jocafa, debian prints it at boot time on the screen.
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[18:48] <Habbie> jocafa, or, of course, ask your dhcp server
[18:49] <raspbian7> jocafa: try "hostname -I"
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> /sbin/ifconfig eth0
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> and a million other ways.
[18:50] <raspbian7> gordonDrogon: Mine is eth1
[18:50] <D-side> since theres no display, that might be a little hard at first. check the dhcpd log
[18:50] <D-side> if its a device like a router it'll show you the assignment table
[18:51] <D-side> nic transceiver is broadcom, so you should be able to determine from the MAC what the make is
[18:51] <D-side> etc etc
[18:51] <Habbie> jocafa, your next issue might be that at least the stock debian image does not start ssh by default
[18:51] <D-side> i dont really know why i'm still typing
[18:51] <jocafa> you just have to mv that one file right?
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[18:52] <akSeya> hi folks :)
[18:52] <jocafa> boot_enable_ssh.rc to boot.rc
[18:52] <akSeya> just got my hands on my raspi
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi2.jpg
[18:52] <raspbian7> akSeya: I'll trade it for a banana
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> bottom one is RS, top is Farnell
[18:53] <jocafa> good times for a lot of people eh? i got mine yesterday :)
[18:53] <akSeya> ^^ no thanks
[18:53] <raspbian7> gordonDrogon: damn that is wonky
[18:53] <D-side> i got my tracking number last night at around 10:30pm and a delivery date of tomorrow. woot.
[18:53] <akSeya> well.. i got the arch image, dd it to the sdcard and trying to boot
[18:53] <akSeya> but I get no screen at all
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> raspbian7, eth1.. Ah. You've hit the udev rules too by plugging an SD card from one pi into another...
[18:53] <akSeya> the OK led and PWR led are on
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> wonky? it's just a crappy camera phone :)
[18:54] <raspbian7> gordonDrogon: ?
[18:54] <Habbie> http://dump.wiretrip.org/Photo4-ukCMRf4HtV.jpg
[18:54] <Habbie> RS Pi
[18:54] <Habbie> on my farnell pi, the CE logo is simple white on green
[18:54] <Habbie> like the raspi logo on the front
[18:54] <akSeya> the power source is my USB Hub.. is that OK?
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> raspbian7, if you move an SD card from one Pi to another it 'remembers' the ethernet interface on the udev rules. Or maybe that's just mine...
[18:54] <raspbian7> on mine the CE is a sticker
[18:54] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, no, that's normal
[18:55] <D-side> gordonDrogon: sounds right.
[18:55] <Habbie> although an image for the pi should perhaps not do that
[18:55] <raspbian7> gordonDrogon: Well, for some reason on raspbian it needs you to change it to use eth1
[18:55] <D-side> though you could leverage that to your advantage
[18:55] <Habbie> it's normal debian behaviour anyway
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> my raspbian uses eth0
[18:55] <D-side> setup udev rules to check against the usb id of each
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> it's udev that 'remembers' the MAC address.
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[18:55] <D-side> multiple configs on a single SD image, depending on which rip its plugged into
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[18:56] <gordonDrogon> or just rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and reboot
[18:56] <D-side> also true
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[18:56] <gordonDrogon> So the RS one has that sillt C E letters on it.
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> *silly
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[18:57] <D-side> eh, its not really "silly"
[18:57] <D-side> though you can be mad at it since its the reason there was such a long wait
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> not silly, but it's wrong. it's not the proper way to put a CE mark on something.
[18:57] <akSeya> now I changed the power source to my cellphone charger.. ok just blinks and still no screen
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> Done that way it more or less means Chinese Export ...
[18:58] <D-side> gordonDrogon: okay lol, point
[18:58] <raspbian7> gordonDrogon: if I peel off the sticker will CE/FCC come break down my door?
[18:58] <IT_Sean> yes
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> highly unlikely!
[18:58] <raspbian7> I am afraid
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> must check the backs, but I don't want to flip the one that's plugged in right now.
[18:58] <IT_Sean> They have a Sticker Removal Alert System (SRAL) that will alert them to any tampering with the sticker.
[18:58] <IT_Sean> There average response time is 4 minutes.
[18:58] <IT_Sean> They are heavily armed.
[18:58] <D-side> bleh. i wish this wifi chipset datasheet defined the max power draw
[18:58] <akSeya> oh.. the charger is 500mA
[18:59] <Habbie> akSeya, that's a bit thin
[18:59] <jecxjo> Its the same as if you remove the tag from your mattress
[18:59] <D-side> actually, you're permitted to rip that one off once you get it home :D
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> A-Ha. They both have proper CE marking on the back.
[18:59] <akSeya> trying again on the usb Hub.. at least the OK LED stays on
[19:00] <akSeya> it has enough power to power up the keyboard, but still no screen :(
[19:01] <raspbian7> the OK led does different things depending on the distro
[19:01] <akSeya> i got arch
[19:01] <Habbie> what are the s2 and fd1 connectors? i believe one of those is SPI LCD
[19:01] <raspbian7> one is dsi
[19:02] <raspbian7> one is camera
[19:02] <Habbie> ah
[19:02] <raspbian7> I think
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> akSeya, are you sure the SD card is correct? Tak it out and read it in the PC your wrote it on...
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> I know that a Pi will boot up and put something on the screen when you supply it with 140mA.
[19:03] <Habbie> s2 is dsi lcd, confirmed
[19:04] <D-side> ooh. any wifi users ever try the wicd-curses tool?
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> however at some point it needs more than 140mA and the source I was using tripped at that point.
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> curses? neat. I only use wifi in laptops and then it's Hm. wicd too.
[19:05] <D-side> i'm not opposed to doing it the hard way
[19:05] <D-side> but if i dont have to, i dont wanna
[19:06] <Habbie> fd1/s5 is camera, indeed
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[19:07] <akSeya> gordonDrogon, it's a 4GB class 4 sandisk sdcard. It has a 100mb vfat partition (sdb1) and a 1876mb ext4 partition that mounts OK and has a lot of files
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> First boot! Yay.
[19:08] <raspbian7> SpeedEvil: congrats
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> Seemingly problem earlier was the monitor - not the SD
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[19:09] <SpeedEvil> - no signs of boot with it plugged in
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[19:10] <gordonDrogon> akSeya, card seems OK then.
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[19:11] * gordonDrogon ponders what 2 numbers can I divide 12,000,000 by to get 1000 ...
[19:11] <raspbian7> SpeedEvil: try fiddling with the config.txt
[19:11] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, many numbers qualify )
[19:11] <Habbie> :)
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> the first must be a power of 2 the 2nd up to 255.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> 16, 75 then a 3rd divide by 10 works.
[19:12] <raspbian7> this isn't #maths
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[19:12] <jocafa> is boot.rc just run as root on startup or what?
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[19:12] <gordonDrogon> I know - but people "know" this stuff - I will write a program.
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> jocafa, what distro?
[19:13] <jocafa> the debian one
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> jocafa, not debian...
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> unless someones fiddled with it.
[19:14] <jocafa> the debian squeeze one listed on http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> raspbian7: no, as I assumed it was the SD
[19:14] <friggle> gordonDrogon: jocafa: yes, /boot/boot.rc is sourced in rc.local
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> raspbian7: as there was not even a flicker of green
[19:14] <jocafa> k
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> Ah, so it's been "fiddled" with .. I never noticed that. Don't seem to have a /boot/boot.rc..
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[19:15] <friggle> gordonDrogon: you'll have /boot/boot_enable_ssh.rc or something
[19:16] <friggle> the idea being you can rename it to enable ssh
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> yes, I remember that one now...
[19:16] <jocafa> derp. it says clearly right there in the first comment of the file: "sourced from rc.local on Raspberry Pi"
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> # But locally (for BCM 2835 ARM Linux) we...
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> :)
[19:17] <akSeya> it is booting
[19:17] <akSeya> i have ssh server
[19:17] <akSeya> just trying to find the default username ans password for ssh on arch
[19:17] <akSeya> root root XD
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[19:21] <D-side> er.
[19:21] <D-side> bah why is this only 128mb
[19:21] <raspbian7> .re
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[19:22] <neofutur> i have a strange error trying to unzip the current rpi liux sources :
[19:22] <neofutur> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/34
[19:22] <neofutur> any idea ?
[19:22] <Habbie> how are you unzipping?
[19:25] <raspbian7> you don't unzip a tarball
[19:25] <raspbian7> you untar it
[19:25] <Habbie> that's why i'm asking
[19:26] <IrquiM> tar xvfz if it's .gz / xvfj if it's .bz2
[19:26] <jra___> or dont specify the z or j and let tar find out by itself
[19:26] <jra___> if it's gnu tar anyway
[19:27] <IrquiM> that's making it too easy ;)
[19:27] <IrquiM> z/j are in my fingers
[19:27] <raspbian7> why is it in your fingers?
[19:28] <IrquiM> because i've been using it for soon 20 years... hard to stop typing it
[19:29] <neofutur> raspbian7: well the download is called .zip
[19:29] <neofutur> not .tr.gz
[19:29] <Habbie> neofutur, url?
[19:29] <neofutur> raspberrypi-linux-b683e89.zip
[19:29] <IrquiM> neofutur, then unzip
[19:30] <neofutur> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[19:30] <Habbie> the error is from unzip, too
[19:30] <raspbian7> why are you referring to a zip file as a tarball?
[19:30] <neofutur> click the ip button
[19:30] <Habbie> raspbian7, he didn't
[19:30] <Habbie> oh
[19:30] <Habbie> he did in the bug
[19:30] <Habbie> silly
[19:30] <neofutur> i have not "referred to a zip file as a tarball" afaik
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[19:30] <Habbie> neofutur, you have, in your github issue
[19:31] <jdobmeier> i seem to have to put the z behind the x as in "xzfv"
[19:31] <neofutur> ah yes i ll edit the bugreport
[19:31] <Habbie> anyway, is this the 'Download as zip' button on github?
[19:32] <Habbie> neofutur, ^ ?
[19:32] <neofutur> yes the ZIP button on https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[19:32] <Habbie> ok
[19:32] <Habbie> that's a github feature
[19:32] <neofutur> linking to https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/zipball/rpi-patches
[19:32] <Habbie> so you need to file a bug with github itself
[19:32] <Habbie> not with the raspi project
[19:33] <neofutur> hum
[19:34] <raspbian7> I'm going for a new record
[19:34] <raspbian7> 3 hours and 26 minutes of uptime so far
[19:34] <IrquiM> yeah, just tested it and it's an issue with the download zip feature
[19:34] <Habbie> neofutur, and, it would be interesting to hear if 'git archive' has the same issue
[19:34] <Habbie> neofutur, if that shows it too, you should file an issue with git-scm :)
[19:35] <Habbie> neofutur, of course, you can decide to leave that test to github
[19:35] <Habbie> i now get server error on downloading the zip
[19:36] <neofutur> i ll get the tar.gz on https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/downloads
[19:36] <Habbie> sounds like a plan
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[19:36] <Habbie> are you also going to file a bug in the right place, neofutur?
[19:37] <neofutur> I ll see the feedback on my issue, and if needed trying to find "the good place" later
[19:37] <Habbie> or at least update your current issue to reflect the actual situation?
[19:37] <Habbie> ok
[19:37] <neofutur> I edited the issue to make it more clear
[19:37] <neofutur> feel free to comment the issue ;)
[19:37] <Habbie> it has been closed already, i see
[19:37] <Habbie> with a comment
[19:37] <Habbie> saying it's a github issue ;)
[19:38] <neofutur> also is there a mean to get the rpi patches only to apply them on a vanilla kernel myself ?
[19:39] <shaulkr> Where is th Pi's serial number written?
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> shaulkr: You need to toss it into a fire, and then remove it with pliers. The number appears in glowing fire before it cools.
[19:40] <shaulkr> lol
[19:40] <mkopack> shaulkr: sticker on the bottom
[19:40] <shaulkr> Thanks
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[19:48] <IT_Sean> Be aware that SpeedEvil's method for retrieving your Pi's S/N will void the warrenty
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[19:49] <akSeya> guys.. i have no screen.. i can access my raspi via ssh
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[19:51] <raspbian7> akSeya: ditto
[19:51] <akSeya> i have a DVI monitor, and I'm using hdmi to dvi cable
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[19:52] <akSeya> i was hopping for at least a blinking cursor
[19:52] <raspbian7> monitors are overrated anyway
[19:52] <Bensa> Kenneths-MacBook-Pro:Downloads kennethk$ sudo dd bs=1m if=~/installer-testing.img of=/dev/rdisk1
[19:52] <Bensa> Password:
[19:52] <Bensa> dd: /dev/rdisk1: Operation not supported
[19:52] <Bensa> any idea whats wrong?
[19:52] <raspbian7> Bensa: the operation isn't supported
[19:52] <akSeya> :P
[19:52] <Bensa> slap!
[19:53] <neofutur> Bensa: what is /dev/rdisk1 ? the SD card reader ?
[19:53] <Bensa> neofutur: ye
[19:53] <neofutur> perhaps the SD card is locked ?
[19:53] <Bensa> nope
[19:53] <neofutur> on micro sd adapter , tehres a read only small switch
[19:54] <Bensa> ye, iknow, its not locke
[19:54] <Bensa> d
[19:54] <Bensa> :)
[19:54] <IrquiM> try mounting /dev/rdisk1 to somewhere
[19:54] <Bensa> im doing it wrong
[19:54] <IrquiM> then create a folder
[19:54] <neofutur> and what fdisk /dev/rdisk1 says ?
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[19:54] <neofutur> what does the kernel log says when you insert the card ?
[19:54] <Bensa> overload!
[19:54] <Bensa> lets see
[19:55] <Bensa> fdisk: /dev/rdisk1: No such file or directory
[19:55] <Bensa> thats funny
[19:55] <Bensa> when its mounted it says busy, so i guess the real device is elsewhere
[19:55] <neofutur> the kernel log should tell you the good name when you insert it
[19:56] <neofutur> tail -f /var/log/kern.log
[19:56] <neofutur> or wherever it is in your distro
[19:56] <Bensa> my distro i OSX
[19:56] <Bensa> is
[19:56] <Bensa> so
[19:57] <neofutur> ah i cant help you with non liux
[19:57] <neofutur> good luck :p
[19:57] <Bensa> hehe
[19:58] <jocafa> Bensa: xattr ~/installer-testing.img
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[19:58] <D-side> i strongly suggest you stop what you're doing
[19:58] <D-side> since rdisk1 wont be the sd card
[19:58] <Bensa> ye
[19:59] <Bensa> well, it is when its mounted
[19:59] <Bensa> guess its some sort of link
[19:59] <Bensa> or somethingsomething
[19:59] <D-side> open up a terminal and try "diskutil list"
[19:59] <akSeya> Bensa, do you have a /proc/partitions ?
[19:59] <jocafa> did xattr spit out anything, Bensa?
[19:59] <D-side> no its osx
[19:59] <Bensa> magic
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[20:00] <Bensa> that would be the guy
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[20:00] <Bensa> 0: FDisk_partition_scheme *2.0 GB disk1
[20:00] <Bensa> 1: DOS_FAT_32 U 2.0 GB disk1s1
[20:00] <Bensa> dev/disk1
[20:00] <Bensa> do, disk1s1 then
[20:00] <Bensa> so*
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[20:01] <Bensa> jocafa: nothing
[20:01] <jocafa> k
[20:02] <Bensa> still operation not supported
[20:02] <Bensa> bah, I did this yesteray.
[20:02] <Bensa> damnit.
[20:02] <neofutur> Bensa: you do it as root ?
[20:03] <Bensa> yeah
[20:03] <jocafa> glare at it and make it feel uncomfortable.
[20:03] <Bensa> i will
[20:03] <D-side> if all you're trying to do is dd it, that should work
[20:04] <Bensa> it should.
[20:04] <D-side> so
[20:04] <D-side> sudo su -
[20:04] <D-side> then your dd command
[20:04] <D-side> provided that you're damned sure that /dev/rdisk1 is the raw disk of the sd card
[20:04] <D-side> if its not, dont blame me.
[20:06] <Bensa> hehe
[20:07] <Bensa> yay
[20:07] <Bensa> http://chris-potter.co.uk/2012/05/raspbmc-image-sdcard-install/
[20:08] <Bensa> instead of unmounting using OSX Finder, I did diskutil umount
[20:08] <Bensa> and voila
[20:08] <Bensa> weird.
[20:08] <D-side> OH
[20:08] <D-side> it was mounted?
[20:08] <Bensa> no
[20:08] <Bensa> well, partially
[20:08] <D-side> :|
[20:08] <Bensa> i inmounted it using Finder
[20:08] <Bensa> guess Finder sucks at umounting stuff
[20:08] <Bensa> unmounted*
[20:09] <Bensa> when it was mounted in finder i got "resource busy"
[20:09] <Bensa> i dunno, got it working :)
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[20:12] <Cheery> it's 2 weeks since I got my order confirmation
[20:13] <D-side> lol i got mine like a month+ ago
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[20:14] <Cheery> well farnell let you to confirm orders early
[20:14] <Cheery> RS put you to wait
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[20:23] <ironzorg> how bad is it to unplug the PSU when the rpi is running ?
[20:24] <ironzorg> also I booted on the pisces (raspbian) distro, but I can't seem to be able to ssh on it
[20:24] <ironzorg> I'm not even sure ssh is started at boot/dhcp works
[20:25] <raspbian7> ironzorg: ssh is on by default with pisces
[20:26] <dmsuse> unplugging it is the only way to turn it off :P
[20:26] <raspbian7> do shutdown now -h before you unplug it though
[20:26] <dmsuse> ^^
[20:26] <ironzorg> you see thats the problem :p
[20:26] <ironzorg> I was assuming I was going to be able to ssh to it
[20:26] <ironzorg> and I dont have an usb keyboard atm
[20:27] <raspbian7> ssh should be on by default
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[20:27] <dmsuse> dhclient isn't though, is it?
[20:27] <raspbian7> you could try asking in #raspbian
[20:28] <raspbian7> you might have to tweak a few things to get dhcp working
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[20:28] <raspbian7> I think it has a troubleshooter on the download page
[20:28] <dmsuse> you can probably do that by mounting the sd card on your computer and adding stuff to /etc/network
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[20:28] <ironzorg> I'm currently reading the wiki, yea
[20:28] <dmsuse> or whatever it is
[20:28] <ironzorg> yes
[20:28] <ironzorg> thats what its about
[20:28] <ironzorg> anyway, thanks
[20:29] * ironzorg put his hands over his hears and unplug the rpi
[20:29] <raspbian7> umm
[20:29] <raspbian7> how can you unplug the pi if your hands are over your "hears"
[20:29] <silent__thought> nice multitasking there, unplugging something while your hands are on your ears. can we have a photo?
[20:30] <D-side> you fellas are clearly not thinkign this through
[20:30] <D-side> what appendages might be be using to unplug this
[20:30] <raspbian7> he could pull it out wuth his teeth
[20:30] <D-side> and you want pictures?
[20:30] <D-side> i dont judge but
[20:30] <D-side> i can tell you i dont want pics of this.
[20:30] <dmsuse> he clearly has another pi running controlling a servo motor to pull the cord
[20:30] <silent__thought> touche
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[20:33] <silent__thought> Man. I get my Pi today but I was so stuck in the 'waiting for it to ship' rut that I forgot to make sure I had the power cord and SD cards... Now I have to wait for those to arrive. Thank God for coworkers who loan stuff.
[20:34] <Foxhoundz> silent__thought: Go to your local electronics store and pick it up
[20:34] <raspbian> silent__thought: both can be bought at a local supermarket
[20:35] <silent__thought> Eh. They were more pricy than what I could get them for online. :)
[20:35] <Foxhoundz> silent__thought: It's a few dollars worth of difference
[20:35] <Foxhoundz> You're not that miserly, are you?
[20:36] <raspbian> Foxhoundz: Sometimes twice the price
[20:36] <silent__thought> At least with the SD cards I got them for about 50% less online ($11 for 2x 8GB cards). Few bucks for 2 USB cables.
[20:36] <raspbian> you're buying two pis?
[20:36] <raspbian> THAT'S ILLEGAL
[20:36] <silent__thought> Nope. Just one.
[20:37] <silent__thought> No kidding.
[20:37] <Foxhoundz> Speaking of which
[20:37] <Foxhoundz> My Pi is still humming along
[20:37] <silent__thought> How long you had it?
[20:37] <Foxhoundz> silent__thought: http://foxhound.privatedns.org/phpsysinfo/index.php?disp=dynamic
[20:37] <Foxhoundz> About two days now
[20:37] <hotwings> [11:32:14] <silent__thought> Man. I get my Pi today but I was so stuck in the 'waiting for it to ship' rut that I forgot to make sure I had the power cord and SD cards... Now I have to wait for those to arrive. <--- SAME BOAT HERE!! :\
[20:37] <Foxhoundz> And AWStats: http://foxhound.privatedns.org/awstats/awstats.pl
[20:37] <hotwings> actually newegg will have my stuff here thursday so no worries
[20:37] <raspbian> Mine has reached 4 hours!
[20:38] <hotwings> just in time for some weekend beer + rpi'ing
[20:38] <mikey_w> Do you get an email that your pi has shipped or does it just show up?
[20:38] <silent__thought> I got an email.
[20:38] <raspbian> mikey_w: email, but probably no tracking info
[20:38] <silent__thought> Ordered thru newark and got a tracking #
[20:38] <Foxhoundz> mikey_w: I got an email from RS with the tracking infformation
[20:38] <Foxhoundz> DHL took them about four days to deliver my Pi
[20:38] <neofutur> Bensa: for installing from macosX : https://github.com/exaviorn/RasPiWrite
[20:38] <silent__thought> Foxhoundz: those pages are still loading... yay for speed.
[20:38] <neofutur> ( someone should port it to linux )
[20:39] <raspbian> Foxhoundz: What's your uptime?
[20:39] <mikey_w> I ordered through Newark on Mar 28th and it still shows as backordered.?
[20:39] <Foxhoundz> 19:38:01 up 14:32, 1 user, load average: 8.05, 3.71, 1.64
[20:39] <raspbian> mikey_w: I ordered on 1st march and it showed as backordered until the day they shipped it
[20:39] <Bensa> neofutur: yeah, but does it support raspbmc? managed to find a solution anways
[20:39] <Bensa> anyways
[20:40] <Bensa> used it yesterday for debian
[20:40] <Foxhoundz> the broadcom chip is getting very hot
[20:40] <Bensa> damnit, i need moar pi's
[20:40] <raspbian> Foxhoundz: You beat me, 19:36:01 up 4:30, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.03, 0.05
[20:40] <neofutur> dunon i dont have macos, i cant try it ;)
[20:40] <Bensa> :D
[20:40] <Bensa> think it only supports arch, debian and raspbian
[20:40] <Bensa> but its a good tip!
[20:41] <hotwings> ray bradbury died :\
[20:41] <raspbian> Foxhoundz: What have you been doing on it to make it that hot?
[20:41] <Foxhoundz> raspbian: Not much. It's just hosting a web server right now
[20:41] <mikey_w> What's the best deal on a case for a rpi?
[20:41] <raspbian> mikey_w: country?
[20:41] <Foxhoundz> but the chip is noticeably hot to the touch
[20:41] <mikey_w> USA
[20:42] <raspbian> Foxhoundz: I'm a webserver too, but my load average seemed to be much lower
[20:42] <Foxhoundz> raspbian: Are you hosting any scripts along with the server?
[20:42] <raspbian> mikey_w: allied have one for cheap
[20:42] <raspbian> Foxhoundz: nope
[20:42] <Foxhoundz> That could explain it
[20:43] <mikey_w> Thanks raspbian.
[20:43] <Foxhoundz> Linux is not my forte so I'm still learning how to configure it properly as I go along
[20:44] <raspbian> mikey_w: youtube.com/watch?v=RhAnIHiJhLo
[20:44] <raspbian> mikey_w: ts along with the server?
[20:44] <raspbian> 19:41 <+raspbian> mikey_w: allied have one for cheap
[20:44] <raspbian> whoops
[20:44] <raspbian> youtube.com/watch?v=UYu_bCMTM_w
[20:44] <raspbian> these two youtube links are of the allied cases
[20:44] <neofutur> raspbian: we posted the link to Foxhoundz site on irc channels and tweeter, could help for the load ;)
[20:48] <rotozip> The pi needs a power input of 5volts 500ma right?
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[20:48] <neofutur> mikey_w: i gathered all the links i found for cases on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f23-Case.html
[20:48] <raspbian> rotozip: more
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[20:48] <neofutur> if you find more, tell me I ll add them to the OP
[20:49] <rotozip> I have a micro usb supply that is 5v 1.8amps. Will that be okay?
[20:49] <hotwings> my rpi case is going to be the antistatic bag it came in, with hole cut where i need to plug things in
[20:49] <Foxhoundz> rotozip: 700 miliamps
[20:49] <Foxhoundz> milli*
[20:49] <trevorman> rotozip: yeah it'll be fine
[20:49] <rotozip> k, cool.
[20:49] <trevorman> rotozip: it'll only ever draw a maximum of about 700mA anyway so 1.8A will be plenty
[20:49] <raspbian> neofutur: you're missing skpangs
[20:49] <neofutur> http://foxhound.privatedns.org/raspberrypi.html#Top%20memory%20consuming%20processes
[20:49] <neofutur> Foxhoundz: rsyslog is reaaly using much ram
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[20:50] <rotozip> trevorman cool thanks.
[20:50] <neofutur> raspbian: thanks i ll try to find this skpangs
[20:50] <daxroc> trevorman: my expierence it's hit and miss with power supplys
[20:51] <raspbian> neo http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cases-and-covers-c-240_242.html
[20:51] <trevorman> daxroc: *shrug* 5V at 1.8A should be fine at least based on the known information
[20:51] <trevorman> daxroc: can't start second guessing it before even trying it
[20:51] <Foxhoundz> neofutur: What can I do to remedy that?
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[20:52] <daxroc> trevorman: granted :D, I've used 5v @2.1A and had a voltage of 4.2 across tp1,2
[20:52] <neofutur> Foxhoundz: perhaps having no system logger if you dont need logs ;) or trying another system logger
[20:52] <neofutur> or settig it up to write less logs . . .
[20:53] <trevorman> daxroc: you checked your USB cable? somebody else here had that and they swapped cable and it improved
[20:53] <neofutur> raspbian: skpang added ! thanks !
[20:53] <Foxhoundz> hmm
[20:53] <daxroc> trevorman: yeah, changed power supply and got a bit better 4.8, the only one that's really been stable is the one from RS
[20:54] <trevorman> I'm using a HP Touchpad PSU and not had any problems with it at all
[20:54] <daxroc> Maybe I just got a sensitve board !
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[20:55] <raspbian> daxroc: they're all quite sensitive to fluxuating voltage
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[20:56] <trevorman> measures 5.1V so the touchpad PSU must be slightly high
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[20:56] <trevorman> across the TPs
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[20:58] <daxroc> any gallery on what people have done/doing with their pi's ?
[20:58] <raspbian> mines hidden away
[20:58] <silent__thought> daxroc: there is quite a bit on the forums
[20:58] <raspbian> it's not allowed a monitor or a keyboard
[20:59] <neofutur> daxroc: good idea ! i can setup a gallery3 website if people are interested to have one
[21:00] <raspbian> neofutur: please don't, your web design skills are quite bad
[21:01] <neofutur> raspbian: if you dont like the default black background, you can change it, there are many other themes ;)
[21:01] <raspbian> oh
[21:02] <neofutur> the oygen theme will make you feel like you re on a normal website
[21:02] <neofutur> oxygen
[21:03] <Foxhoundz> I have a few pictures of my pi
[21:03] <Foxhoundz> but nowhere to share it :(
[21:03] <Foxhoundz> I'm making a case for it from the box it was shipped with
[21:03] <Foxhoundz> I don't know why people haven't thought of it before
[21:03] <neofutur> also contributions are welcome, the forum software and the Rpi theme are opensource on https://github.com/neofutur/MyBestBB/commit/cd993cc32653cae4c953438c3c9bab328c7169d3
[21:04] <neofutur> raspbian: ?????? make it better !
[21:04] <neofutur> I d love to see a pull request with a bootstrap based theme ;)
[21:07] <silent__thought> Foxhoundz: Put them on your Pi to serve them up :)
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[21:09] <neofutur> Foxhoundz: i can give you vhost if you want for your photos, or just post them on my forum ;)
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[21:13] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7665
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[21:13] <neofutur> (anyone needing free hosting for a raspberry pi related project , just ask ;)
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[21:16] <raspbian> neofutur: Yeah, plugwash needs somewhere to host the master server for raspbian
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[21:16] <jdobmeier> +1 raspian
[21:17] <neofutur> raspbian: i can provide 2 mirrors on 2 different dedicated servers if needed
[21:18] <raspbian> neofutur: he'll probably be in #raspbian
[21:18] <neofutur> main download server . . . i dont know, would need more info
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[21:18] <raspbian> he needs 500gb
[21:18] <neofutur> eeeeeeeetell himto query me
[21:19] <neofutur> ah 500 GB is too much
[21:19] <raspbian> well not 500gb right now
[21:19] <raspbian> but 500gb eventually
[21:19] <raspbian> the repo is always growing
[21:19] <neofutur> i have seerrvers with 1 TB but giving 500 GB . . . i cant
[21:19] <nirokato> yeah, that's a fair chunk of space.
[21:19] <neofutur> up to 100 or 200 GB is ok
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[21:21] <IT_Sean> 500 gigs!? O.o
[21:21] <neofutur> yup, why do youneed so much ? thats only image doewnloads ? what more ?
[21:22] <raspbian> neofutur: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=7599
[21:22] <jdobmeier> neofutur: there has been some interest in donations for raspian...would you take a hard drive donation?
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[21:23] <Mrgoose2> Hi, quick question. I installed the debian image onto my raspberry pi. I am trying to mount a networked drive and I get the error "mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system". However I have samba samba-client cifs-utils all installed
[21:23] <daxroc> It should be possible to add an ir reciever/transmitter to the gpio, you shouldn't need an external chip doing the modulation etc
[21:23] <raspbian> Mrgoose2: cifs-utils should be enough
[21:24] <neofutur> jdobmeier: nop, i cant add a harddrive in the datacenter where the dedicated servers are
[21:24] <Mrgoose2> yea, any idea why i still get that error. I have cifs-utils installed
[21:24] <daxroc> Would it be difficult to integrate that with lirc ?
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[21:24] <neofutur> raspbian: if its 90 GB now, I could offer mirrors for some time, later if its too big i d keep the mirrors only for the stable version
[21:24] <raspbian> Mrgoose2: whats the command you're using?
[21:25] <raspbian> neofutur: post on the thread!
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[21:25] <neofutur> raspbian: I wont beg to host a mirror for free, query me if needed
[21:25] <neofutur> + I hate the official forum :p
[21:25] <Mrgoose2> sudo apt-get install cifs-utils says that it is already installed . Then i run sudo modprobe cifs
[21:25] <Mrgoose2> and i get
[21:26] <Mrgoose2> pi@raspberrypi:~$ sudo modprobe cifs
[21:26] <Mrgoose2> FATAL: Error inserting cifs (/lib/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/fs/cifs/cifs.ko): Invalid module format
[21:26] <raspbian> neofutur: I'm not associated with raspbian, I've just got this nick because it's the default
[21:26] <wiiguy> Mrgoose2 try removing it then ?
[21:26] <wiiguy> then reinstall ?
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[21:27] <neofutur> raspbian: ok, i ll join #raspbian and tell them
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[21:29] <Mrgoose2> wiiguy: yea tried to remove and install
[21:29] <rasp7aa> Mrgoose2: mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/point -o user=username,pass=password
[21:29] <rasp7aa> that doesn't do anything?
[21:29] <Mrgoose2> yea that gives me the error "mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system"
[21:29] <rasp7aa> hmm
[21:29] <rasp7aa> which OS?
[21:30] <ender|> try modprobe cifs
[21:30] <Mrgoose2> Debian Squeeze
[21:30] <Mrgoose2> modprobe gives me " FATAL: Error inserting cifs (/lib/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/fs/cifs/cifs.ko): Invalid module format"
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[21:31] <ender|> that's weird - did you update the kernel without updating the modules?
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[21:31] <Mrgoose2> ah i did update the firmware kernel.img and start.elf
[21:31] <Mrgoose2> i guess i need to copy the modules over also?
[21:32] <ender|> yup
[21:32] <Mrgoose2> which one's?
[21:32] <Mrgoose2> or just copy the whole folder?
[21:32] <ender|> all of them
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[21:36] <Mrgoose2> question then
[21:36] <Mrgoose2> when i plug in my sd card. it doesn't have any modules on the card
[21:37] <Mrgoose2> where would i put the modules.* files
[21:37] <ender|> /lib/modules
[21:37] <daxroc> Is there a debian minimal image, no gui fluff ?
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[21:37] <ender|> (use the appropriate subdirectory for your kernel there)
[21:38] <neofutur> daxroc: i found a minimalist gentoo image with no X if needed
[21:39] * ender| 's preparing a stage3 gentoo image :)
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[21:39] <neofutur> ender|: I gathered some images and stage3s on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f15-Gentoo-Linux.html
[21:39] <neofutur> tell me when you have one I ll add it
[21:40] <neofutur> also tell me if you need a mirror for the downloads
[21:40] <ender|> probably sometime tomorrow
[21:40] <neofutur> query me i m always here ;)
[21:40] <neofutur> i m still downloading the linked images, not tested them yet
[21:40] <ender|> i started from stage3 armv6j image and switched chost to armv6zk, and i'm currently doing an emerge -e world
[21:40] <neofutur> i ll also test yours if you need testers ;)
[21:41] <ender|> (and yes, stage3-armv6j_hardfp-20120427.tar.bz2 does work)
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[21:43] <neofutur> ender|: is there yet a gentoo-rpi ( or rpi-gentoo ) channel ?
[21:43] <neofutur> if not ewe need to create one ;)
[21:43] <ender|> no idea
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[21:43] <lee> man, I am having zero luck getting either pi to boot either the official debian image or raspbian
[21:44] <ender|> lee: how far do you get?
[21:44] <rasp7aa> lee: is it plugged in?
[21:44] <ender|> anything on the screen at all?
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[21:44] <neofutur> can you see any error message o boot ?
[21:44] <rasp7aa> does the ok LED light up?
[21:44] <lee> "mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt" is repeated over and over
[21:44] <rasp7aa> just leave it
[21:44] <ender|> also, if you have anything plugged in to the USB ports, try unplugging it (and connect a powered hub instead) - i've had a lot of trouble with things plugged in directly
[21:45] <rasp7aa> mmc errors are quite common
[21:45] <rasp7aa> just leave it for 5 mins
[21:45] <lee> "OK" light does not light up, no
[21:45] <rasp7aa> the errors will stop
[21:45] <Owner> 5 minute boot time?
[21:45] <lee> the only connected item is a logitech wireless receiver for the kb & mouse, directly connected
[21:46] <nirokato> ender|: nice job on getting gentoo to run on the RPi
[21:46] <ender|> lee: another thing you could try is to write the image to an USB pendrive, too, and edit cmdline.txt on the FAT partition to say root=/dev/sda2 if you have a flakey card
[21:46] <lee> raspbian got to a login prompt pretty quickly, but kept redecting the USB over and over and over, and the keyboard didn't work
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[21:46] <ender|> (FAT partition on SD card)
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[21:46] <lee> it's a brand new genuine sandisk card, I can try others though
[21:47] <ssvb> ender|, when using stage3-armv6j_hardfp-20120427.tar.bz2 be ready to encounter http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_4475b26b1a715a81900c37f91ee04465.xml
[21:47] <ender|> anyway, make sure the only thing connected to USB is a powered hub, and connect everything else to the hub
[21:47] <Owner> is it just me or do Disqus comments at end of articles never load on multiple systems and multiple browsers
[21:48] <rasp7aa> Owner: They've never worked for me with chrome. It's just a terrible system
[21:48] <ender|> ssvb: when i switched chost, i updated gcc to 4.6.3 (and glibc to 2.14.1), and i'm doing an emerge -e world at the moment
[21:48] <Owner> rasp7aa~# i like how they are probably BIGGER THAN INSTAGRAM
[21:48] <Owner> and its a joke
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[21:49] <lee> ok, got the keyboard dongle plugged into a powered usb hub now
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[21:49] <lee> still getting the mmc0 errors ten minutes later...
[21:49] <ssvb> ender|, in any case if/when your system stops working, just create a compatibility symlink to fix it
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[21:49] <ender|> yeah
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[21:50] <ender|> ssvb: as far as i can see, the symlink is there already
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[21:51] <ssvb> ok, then you are safe
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[21:57] <lee> still spitting out those errors, no login prompt... however at least now replugging the keyboard dongle means the keyboard works
[21:57] <lee> can't switch to another console either
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[21:58] <trevorman> lee: try updating the bootloader to the latest versino
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[21:58] <trevorman> lee: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
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[21:59] <ender|> lee: do you have the keyboard connected directly?
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[22:00] <ender|> i had similar problems (though mine booted eventually, but would hang every now and then) when i had keyboard and USB drive connected
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[22:00] <lee> ender|: no, the keyboard is going via a powered usb hub
[22:01] <ender|> putting them on powered hub fixed the proble
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[22:01] <ender|> do you have a spare USB drive?
[22:01] <lee> trevorman: literally just replace those files on the partition that's visible from windows?
[22:01] <ender|> lee: yes, that works
[22:01] <lee> ender|: maybe, but not without digging
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[22:02] <lee> maybe it will have unshat itself after walkies, that should give it plenty of time to think
[22:02] <trevorman> lee: yeah. just replace those files you see
[22:03] <trevorman> the files on the image are actually quite old and the bootloader + kernel has been updated several times since then
[22:03] <trevorman> fixing bugs etc...
[22:03] <lee> ok, let's give it a shot
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[22:08] <lee> hmm, can't grab kernel_emergency.img, "error: blob is too big" when hitting view raw
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[22:10] <lee> after replacing the files on the sd card, does it take a few minutes to process on next boot?
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[22:10] <lee> +with no hdmi output
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[22:11] <rasp7aa> give it an hour to make sure
[22:12] <lee> it can have 30 minutes whilst I take the dog out, biab
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[22:13] <neure> hi
[22:14] <ender|> lee: you should have HDMI immediately during boot (a rainbow square for about a second - though it disappears fast enough that some mointors might not be able to show it), then the kernel output should start
[22:14] <neure> i'm using pisces image - where do i get egl and gles libs?
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[22:16] <neure> oo
[22:16] <neure> in /opt
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[22:22] <neofutur> hehe #rpi-gentoo is all setup, all gentoo users welcome there ;)
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[22:29] <DaQatz> !channel #rpi-gentoo
[22:29] <PiBot> DaQatz: #rpi-gentoo - Gentoo for the raspberry-pi.
[22:29] <DaQatz> !channel #raspbian
[22:29] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspbian - Hard float Debian chat room.
[22:29] <DaQatz> Okies both work.
[22:31] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-dev
[22:31] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi-dev - Chat room for Raspberry PI development discussion.
[22:31] <akSeya> my "no screen" problem was archlinux falt
[22:31] <akSeya> fault
[22:31] <akSeya> now with debian all worked fine \o/
[22:32] <daxroc> What options Other than C are available for timing critical gpio manipulation?
[22:32] <wej> assembler
[22:33] <daxroc> C it is then :D
[22:34] * gordonDrogon waves.
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[22:34] <gordonDrogon> another 80 scones and a lemon drizzle cake in the oven..
[22:34] <chris_99> 80!
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[22:34] <gordonDrogon> hi daxroc you'll never achieve accurate timing of the GPIO with a simple C program...
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> there is this thing called the Linux kernel that will get in your way...
[22:35] <DaQatz> gordonDrogon: How many do you have to make?
[22:35] <chris_99> depends how accurate you need though gordonDrogon
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> DaQatz, no more scones - 2 more lemin drizzle cakes, 2 chocolate cakes, 2 coffee & walnut cakes and 2 victoria sancwitches.
[22:36] <chris_99> and that's just for breakfast...
[22:36] <plugwash> bootc, you arround?
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> DaQatz, then 100 mini cup cakes and 240 slices of bread into posh sandwitches with the crusts cut-off.
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> 4 fillings.
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[22:36] <gordonDrogon> this is for an afternoon tea party in Saturday for 100 guests.
[22:36] <chris_99> what's all that for?
[22:36] <chris_99> ah
[22:36] <daxroc> I need to do the timing on sending and recieving IR pulses
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[22:36] <DaQatz> Catering?
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> although my wifes going to do the cupcakes.
[22:37] <DaQatz> Yeah I've worked in that field some
[22:37] <daxroc> C should be ok I would think
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> the issue with timing is the the kernel will pre-empt your process when it feels like it.
[22:37] <DaQatz> Mostly kitchens, but when I worked at country clubs catering too.
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> e.g. to service a network broadcast, run another program, flush buffers to disk and so on.
[22:38] <daxroc> gordonDrogon: thats fine, just have to catch when that happens no ?
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> DaQatz, this is supposed to just be a hobby business... http://moorbakes.co.uk
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> daxroc, well - possibly - if you use the wallclock to work out how much time you've missed.
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> ie. the gettimeofday() system call.
[22:39] <daxroc> maybe I'll just use a pic and i2c ?
[22:39] <DaQatz> gordonDrogon: Hobby businesses can "bloom"
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[22:39] <rasp7aa> hmm http://liliputing.com/2012/06/74-mk802-android-4-0-mini-pc-first-impressions-video.html
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> DaQatz, maybe.... but this one doesn't pay - yet.
[22:39] <DaQatz> Oi
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> daxroc, I thought IR was basically rs232 type serial anyway?
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> DaQatz, we're doing this for friends - it's their wedding, so have given them a good rate.
[22:40] <DaQatz> Nods
[22:40] <rasp7aa> http://moorbakes.co.uk
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> normally we just do small buffet suppers/lunches, or bake cakes & bread for local events.
[22:41] <rasp7aa> where's your online shop?!
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> it started off with my wife doing cupcakes for a gift-shop up the street..
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> heh... can't really sell cupcakes online!
[22:41] <rasp7aa> course you can
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> so our kitchen is all registered with the LA and I have the right food hygeine certs, etc.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> well, maybe, but I don't think they travel well.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> brb gotta check that cake.
[22:42] <rasp7aa> or pickup
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[22:43] <daxroc> gordonDrogon: I'll give it a shot with the python lib and see if can be done, only one way to be sure...
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> cakes doing fine just needed turning.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> our ovens not got a fan and is always a bit hotter on one side.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> actually, this lemin drizzle cake is for the local Linux Users Group meeting on Friday night .
[22:45] <rasp7aa> what do you talk about in a local linux group?
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[22:46] <jecxjo> lots of them typically have a per meeting theme
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[22:46] <jecxjo> people give presentations on different topics, stuff they are working on, stuff they need help with
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[22:46] <gordonDrogon> the exeter one is brand new - 1st meeting was last month and I demod the Pi.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> the other one is the geenric devon/cornwall one and it's a bit quiet, despite having 200 members on the mailing list.
[22:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: you know... lemon drizzle cake would be fine in the post ;D
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, they keep well wrapped in clingfilm - just need a good box.
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, but how much would you pay for one?
[22:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: that's a good question, the shipping alone could be prohibitive
[22:48] <gmjhowe> We did a inter hackspace cupcake challenge
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, hand-made with fair-trade &| free range ingridients..
[22:48] <gmjhowe> All about mailing a cupcake in one piece
[22:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> lemon drizzle is one of the most princely of cakes
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm. brightong maker faire has just followed me on twitter...
[22:49] <IT_Sean> did somebody mention lemon drizzle cake?
[22:49] * IT_Sean perks up
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[22:49] * gordonDrogon is baking one right now.
[22:49] <IT_Sean> oooooooooooooh
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> come to the Exeter LUG meeting on Friday to sample it :)
[22:49] <IT_Sean> it would be a bit of a long way for me.
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> Ah well...
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> probably illegal for me to post it to the US too.
[22:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: you could be the play.com of lemon dizzle!
[22:50] <IT_Sean> possibly.
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[22:50] <gmjhowe> Reasons we all bought RaspberryPi - because it is named after a sweet desert, it does computing or some thing, oh and it is small and stuff
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> yea, I'll make some raspberry pi's when they're in eason.
[22:50] <rasp7aa> pies have meat in them silly, not fruit
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> season.
[22:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> my strawberries are doing well, damn them for not being raspberries!
[22:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> Although crumble is the only way!
[22:51] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: got any wild strawberries?
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> we have both in the garden - which is rather neglected right now. Hmm.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> wonder how my grape vine is doing...
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'll check it all on Sunday when I can relax...
[22:51] <gmjhowe> First person to make a Pi case from actual raspberries wins
[22:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> speaking of strawberries, got a bunch of supermarket bought ones in the fridge... and I don't really eat them mysql, guess I'll have to endure them
[22:51] <IT_Sean> It would also be a biblically expensive piece of cake, after you factored in the travel expenses.
[22:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> gmjhowe: raspberries frozen into sheets with liquid nitrogen and then laser cut?
[22:51] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: freeze them
[22:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> rasp7aa: doesn't freezing strawberries turn them to mush?
[22:52] <gmjhowe> Yep laser cut on a 3D printer
[22:52] <rasp7aa> no idea
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, quarter them. add a tablespoon of sugar and just gently spoon them round the bowl for a few moments and put back in the fridge for 15 minutes...
[22:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> Then eat?
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> strawberries lose colour when frozen.
[22:52] <rasp7aa> who cares about colour
[22:52] <gmjhowe> I am sure you could make a plastic with actual raspberries
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, yes, eat - with cream.
[22:52] <lee> well that was unexpected, the rpi drawing power via the usb ports to keep itself going, rather than the power port
[22:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> I think I've got some strawberry pouring yoghurt too... TO THE KITCHEN!!!
[22:52] <rasp7aa> flavour is what matters
[22:53] <rasp7aa> lee: It can't and won't do that
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> lee yes, I see that with the hub I use - the up-lead wrongly provides power...
[22:53] <lee> rasp7aa: well, it does
[22:53] <gmjhowe> That shall be my next task
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> it won't boot via the up-lead due to the 140mA polyfuses, but will generally keep running!
[22:53] <IT_Sean> Might i recommend making a DLO (data leads only) USB cable to go between the Pi and the hub?
[22:54] <gmjhowe> Am I right in thinking I can just use the power pins to run a couple of LEDs?
[22:54] <rasp7aa> IT_Sean: Can you buy them?
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> gmjhowe, via resistors yes.
[22:54] <IT_Sean> rasp7aa: no. they violate the USB spec.
[22:54] <lee> trevorman: firmware update seems to have worked, thanks!
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[22:54] <rasp7aa> lots of things violate the spec and are still sold
[22:54] <rasp7aa> >500mA violates the spec
[22:54] <IT_Sean> I have never, ever, seen a DLO USB cable.
[22:55] <gmjhowe> Figured as much, with no need for code.
[22:55] <IT_Sean> you would have to make one.
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> I don't think it's a biggie having the up-lead power the Pi - you just need to be careful. Don't think it'll actually break anything.
[22:55] <lee> IT_Sean: I want to mess as little as possible with it tbh, I just want the basics to work right now
[22:55] <gmjhowe> Got a new case which will look fancy with some.
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> right cake out time. back inna bit...
[22:55] <rasp7aa> the pi is designed to be messed with
[22:55] * IT_Sean sneaks off to lick gordonDrogon's cake when he isn't looking
[22:55] <lee> so long as nothing's going to explode, it's a minor issue, just surprised me, thinking "this residual power's going on for a bit isn't it"
[22:55] <Mrgoose2> however wu-tang clan aint nothin to mess with
[22:56] <daxroc> anyone know if there is a ftdi serial driver in the standard debian image ?
[22:57] <Mrgoose2> anyone know the best way to update to the latest raspberry pi firmware? or do I have to copy all the files over manually?
[22:57] <jecxjo> there is in x86 debian so if there isnt in the ARM should be easy enough to rebuild
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> mabe another 5 mins.
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> daxroc, yes there is.
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> Mrgoose2, rpi-update
[22:58] <Mrgoose2> gordonDrogon: is that a command?
[22:58] <Mrgoose2> just run that?
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> Mrgoose2, no, you'll need to get it first.
[22:58] <rasp7aa> do an apt-get update before you rpi-update
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/README.md
[22:59] <rasp7aa> rpi-update comes with raspbian
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> follow that to install it, then you can run it, but yes, do apt-get update/upgrade first.
[22:59] <Mrgoose2> nice
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> then you can have 12MB/sec SD speeds :)
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> (shhhhhh)
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[22:59] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: ?!
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> sorry, did I say something?
[23:00] <gmjhowe> Wait, there is a firmware update for faster SD speeds?
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[23:00] * gordonDrogon whisltes nonchalantly.
[23:01] <gmjhowe> Someone was asking me if a microsd in an adapter is slower than a standard SD?
[23:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> nom nom nom
[23:01] <rasp7aa> it is
[23:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> Vanilla pouring yoghurt in a glass with a drop of maple syrup
[23:01] <rasp7aa> calories
[23:01] <gmjhowe> How much so? I thought they were rated the same?
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> IF you have updated the firmware and kernel is: 3.1.9+ #101 THEN you may be able to benefit from a bit of a hack to get faster SD card speeds ...
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, Oy. It's Yum Yum Yum ...
[23:02] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: the config.txt thing?
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, yes
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> brb checking this blasted cake again.
[23:02] <rasp7aa> I'm not brave enough
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> the worst that can happen is you need totake the SD card out and edit it out of config.txt in another PC ...
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> brb
[23:03] <rasp7aa> my sd card won't explode?
[23:03] <gmjhowe> How much slower will a microsd via adapter be the ?
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[23:03] <rasp7aa> a little bit
[23:03] <gmjhowe> Then*
[23:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> I feel gordonDrogon should obtain a new oven...
[23:04] <gmjhowe> I bought a 32gb micro SD you see because it was so cheap
[23:04] <Mrgoose2> woot woot
[23:04] <Mrgoose2> Raspberry Pi firmware updater by Hexxeh, enhanced by AndrewS
[23:04] <rasp7aa> stick it in your phone
[23:05] <Mrgoose2> and that will update to the latest files here . https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/crypto
[23:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> Mrgoose2: "enhanced"?
[23:05] <Mrgoose2> ?
[23:05] <dmsuse> what are the changes?
[23:05] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: the one that comes with raspbian is enhanced too
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[23:05] <gmjhowe> I don't need it in my phone.
[23:05] <gmjhowe> I need it in my pi.
[23:05] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: What did you change in the config.txt?
[23:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, still no mceusb in kernel 3.1.9
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[23:07] <cehteh> hi
[23:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've been pretty happy with bootc's 3.2.18 kernel
[23:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've heard people say that 3.2.18 can be unstable under load, and that ~900mhz can be unstable under load... but no test cases to prove it =
[23:10] <rasp7aa> how do you check the kernal version?
[23:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> uname -a works for me
[23:10] <akSeya> anyone from Brazil in here?
[23:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> but if you don't know, then you're probably running 3.1.9
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[23:10] <rasp7aa> Linux pisces 3.1.9+ #101 PREEMPT M
[23:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> qed
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[23:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Don't be misled into thinking that a higher number is better... I imagine the 3.1.9 kernel is being kept much more abreast of Pi-related fixes
[23:12] <akSeya> absurd.. i payed U$55 for the board and shipment.. now my dear government want to tax US$ 95
[23:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'd be using it, if I weren't too lazy/incapable of compiling mceusb for it
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[23:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> akSeya: holy cow, what government is that!?
[23:12] <cehteh> is 1080p the maximal screen resolution possible with the hardware? i have a 2k monitor here :)
[23:12] <akSeya> Gadgetoid, brazil
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[23:12] <akSeya> Gadgetoid_Air, brazil
[23:12] <rasp7aa> don't brazil heavily tax that stuff anyway?
[23:13] <ender|> cehteh: 2048x1152?
[23:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wow... why tax electronics imports, do they produce any in-country?
[23:13] <rasp7aa> like computer games are heavily taxed
[23:13] <akSeya> rasp7aa, i just didn't know it has taht heavly
[23:13] <cehteh> yes tried with fbset but it only sets 1080
[23:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> Taxing more than the value is... just... I don't even...
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[23:13] <rasp7aa> I think it's to encourage more stuff being developed inside the country
[23:13] <akSeya> absurd!!!
[23:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> I guess you've got trees and beaches and stuff... but wow... I'd rather occupy a desert island with a wooden shack and a glut of solar panels
[23:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> I get taxed occasionally for press samples, which annoys me, but not to the tune of almost twice their value
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[23:14] <rasp7aa> Cidade de Deus is my favourite film.
[23:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> Most of the so called "tax" is just a snide handling fee added by the courier because they have to pay the import duty up-front and reclaim it from you
[23:16] <akSeya> i'll will return it!!!
[23:17] <akSeya> i wont pay US$140 for something that costs 35
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[23:17] <akSeya> it's absurd!!!
[23:17] <akSeya> =/
[23:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> akSeya: that's disappointing :( I feel your pain
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[23:17] <rasp7aa> akSeya: Contact the distributor first, see if they'll refund you it
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[23:18] <dmsuse> the uk should put 100% tax on all electronics imports :P
[23:18] <akSeya> rasp7aa, i'll probably need to pay the shipment fees
[23:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> dmsuse: I somehow doubt they'd want the prices of televisions to increase, that might cause people to get off their behinds and actually usurp them
[23:19] <rasp7aa> people aren't watching tv anymore anyway
[23:19] <rasp7aa> it's all iplayer and on-demand content
[23:19] <akSeya> it's almost 400% the raspi cost :(
[23:19] <akSeya> shame on Brazil!!!
[23:19] <rasp7aa> I haven't watched tv in years and I haven't missed it
[23:19] <rasp7aa> akSeya: huehuehuehuehue
[23:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> rasp7aa: rubbish, broadcast TV is still pervasive amongst the average unwashed masses
[23:19] <dmsuse> akSeya: should have got one from ebay lol
[23:20] <akSeya> yeah :(
[23:20] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: The numbers are shrinking though
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[23:20] <rasp7aa> when is gordonDrogon going to get back from that cake?
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> cake is done and drizzled...
[23:20] <dmsuse> but that's what you get for supporting argentina ;)
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> was also chatting to wifey :)
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[23:21] <rasp7aa> oh hey, what value did you enter in he config txt?
[23:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> rasp7aa: no doubt about that, but on-demand is probably going to get more and more bogged down with hairbrained revenue sources
[23:21] <Syliss> ugh, i hate having ideas
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> init_emmc_clock=240000000
[23:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: nomnomnom!
[23:21] <rasp7aa> oh dear that's a big number
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, Grrrr.. I'm British, Dammit!
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> I have 2 Pi's running on that now.
[23:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> emmc_clock!?
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> Shhhh...
[23:22] <Syliss> 2?
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> super secret hackity hack ;-0
[23:22] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: Something wrong with that?
[23:22] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: How can I measure the read/write speed?
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[23:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> I don't even know what that means... it's not really elaborated upon in the wiki
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> sudo hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0
[23:23] <rasp7aa> sudo hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> will give you a crude read test.
[23:23] <Foxhoundz> I need help with a file/user permission on the Pi
[23:23] <Foxhoundz> this is generally a Linux question but it should apply here as well
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> ask away...
[23:24] <rasp7aa> chown all the files
[23:24] <Foxhoundz> rasp7aa: Well
[23:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> My SD apparently does 4.45mb/sec buffered
[23:24] <Foxhoundz> Let's try that!
[23:24] <dmsuse> rasp7aa: he aint even asked the question yet :P
[23:25] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: mine does 3.98, going to reboot to test the new value
[23:25] <rasp7aa> brb
[23:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> Let me know!
[23:25] <Mrkva> kids, any idea how much overvoltage on GPIO pins can Rpi tolerate?
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Foxhoundz, you'll need to update the kernel, etc. first.
[23:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> Mrkva: nope nope nope nope nope!
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Mrkva, I'd suggest ... none.
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[23:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> Mrkva: that's not even a question you should be asking :D
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Timing buffered disk reads: 38 MB in 3.14 seconds = 12.10 MB/sec
[23:26] <Mrkva> well
[23:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> If you're talking pumping ~5v logic into those 3.3v GPIO... get a buffer
[23:26] <Myst> Hi all
[23:26] <Mrkva> nooo
[23:26] <Myst> I've a little problem with config.txt
[23:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: 12!?
[23:27] <Mrkva> I ment to use clamping diodes as a protection... but they have ~1V drop
[23:27] <Myst> My config.txt : http://pastebin.com/mtVnEWfg
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> Yes. 12.
[23:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: what class of SD?
[23:27] <Myst> I don't understand why, but with the lastest kernel, hdmi_group and hdmi_mode seem to doesn't work
[23:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> My hard disk only gets 19.43mb/sec
[23:28] <trevorman> Myst: hdmi_group is now 0 and 1
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, it's a Sandisk Ultra class 6. It gives ~4 without the hack.
[23:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Woah... that's... a profound difference
[23:28] <Myst> trevorman: ok, i think it's something like that
[23:28] <Myst> trevorman: 2 -> 1 ?
[23:28] <trevorman> Myst: it recently got changed
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, that's typically what others seen too.
[23:28] <trevorman> Myst: can't remember which is what. you'll have to test it sorry
[23:29] <trevorman> the actual mode should be the same though assuming you've got the right group
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[23:29] <Myst> trevorman: maybe need to update : http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[23:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> Mrkva: I don't know enough about clamping diodes to know whether they're a good or bad idea, but they don't seem it in this case...
[23:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Will be interesting to see what rasp7aa comes back with!
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[23:30] <gordonDrogon> if he comes back...
[23:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> Pi esplode!
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> unlikely, but he might have to re-write the SD in another PC if it doesn't work.
[23:32] <Myst> trevorman: didn't work, hdmi_group 0 or 1, my screen is not like before :(
[23:32] <trevorman> Myst: you've not actually said what it does yet
[23:32] <trevorman> is overscan now on for you or something?
[23:32] <trevorman> Myst: you updated the bootloader?
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[23:32] <Myst> yes overscan
[23:33] <Myst> trevorman: i updated with rpi-update
[23:33] <trevorman> disable_overscan=1
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[23:33] <trevorman> add that to config.txt
[23:33] <Myst> trevorman: with or without config.txt, hdmi_group 0/1/2, screen is always the same
[23:34] <Myst> nothing change :(
[23:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> hdmi_group doesn't do anything without a corresponding mode, does it?
[23:34] <Myst> i don't know
[23:34] <Myst> i use hdmi_mode=58
[23:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> What's your display, Myst?
[23:36] <Myst> Computer screen, 1680x1050, DVI input, use HDMI output
[23:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> So hdmi_group should be left at 2
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[23:36] <Myst> hdmi_group work before, but not with lastest kernel
[23:37] <Myst> now, it's seem that is not config.txt
[23:37] <rasp7aa> grrr the last two times I've rebooted my pi, it hasn't booted back up properly, I had to go manually turn it off and on again
[23:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> What's happening on-screen then? no display, cut off, not filling screen, yellow, too many badgers?
[23:37] <trevorman> Gadgetoid_Air: hdmi_group is now 0 and 1 apparently
[23:37] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: Timing buffered disk reads: 38 MB in 3.07 seconds = 12.37 MB/sec
[23:37] <rasp7aa> MASSIVE DIFFERENCE
[23:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> trevorman: great! glad to see the wiki is... oh wait, it isn't :D
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> Did someone say too many badgers? http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
[23:38] <Myst> Gadgetoid: not fillinf screen, too much at left/right, not enough at upper/bottom
[23:38] <Myst> Gadgetoid_Air
[23:38] <ReggieUK> I've tried the init_emmc_clock thing on 2 different cards now
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, so happy?
[23:38] <ReggieUK> still not seeing any difference at all
[23:38] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: Yeah, muuuuuch faster
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, have you updated the firmware, etc. ?
[23:39] <ReggieUK> actually, no it's just a stock debian
[23:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> Myst: sounds like overscan is your problem, then... would be worth trying "disable_overscan", or simply playing with the individual values for top/bottom/left/right
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> you need to rpi-update first.
[23:39] <Myst> ok, iwill try disable overscan
[23:39] <ReggieUK> I havbe some theories to go with your hacks
[23:39] <rasp7aa> 3.98 MB/sec versus 12.37 MB/sec
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, actually, the full thing - sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
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[23:39] <trevorman> Gadgetoid_Air: yeah. the wiki isn't amazingly accurate the moment. need somebody to champion it and start updating. dibs not me >.>
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> then get rpi-upgrade and run it.
[23:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> trevorman: I've championed wiki's before... so much time sunk, eee
[23:39] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, how long is that gonna take?
[23:39] <GabrialDestruir> Dips also not me.
[23:40] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: Not long if your internet is fast
[23:40] <GabrialDestruir> dibs*
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, 5 minutes? maybe 10. https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/README.md
[23:40] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok
[23:40] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, you might want to take a look at this:
[23:40] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7665&p=93589#p93589
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, do the apt-get stuff first though.
[23:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm not sure if I'm confident in this whole SD overclocking business... sounds like a recipe for corruption
[23:40] <ReggieUK> will do
[23:41] <ReggieUK> you can query the card to find out what it's max speed is
[23:41] <Myst> Gadgetoid_Air: didn't work :s
[23:41] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: how?
[23:41] <Myst> Gadgetoid_Air: and the screen i brighted
[23:41] <ReggieUK> sudo cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/mmc*/csd
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, so there's hope for the driver getting fixed then?
[23:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> Myst: drop disable_overscan=1 and try: overscan_left=0 overscan_right=0 overscan_top=20 overscan_bottom=20
[23:42] <ReggieUK> then read the 4th byte from the left of the 32char string it returns (4th pair of chars from the left)
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, reading that article, it seems we've not overclocked the SD at all - it's designed to be clocked faster, it's just not being clocked faster in the driver to start with.
[23:42] <rasp7aa> is it overclocking both reads and writes or just reads?
[23:43] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, tbh i have no idea, I'm not an expert, just making hopefully semi educated guesses
[23:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Interesting... I'd try it out if it were likely to make any difference, but as I'm running from a HDD anyway it's moot
[23:43] <Myst> Gadgetoid_Air: "#" work to commont in the config.txt ?
[23:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> Myst: I believe so
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[23:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, ah, you have root on USB HDD?
[23:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: yup
[23:44] <ReggieUK> btw. both of the cards I've tried so far have returned '32' for the csd tran_speed bits for the card
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[23:44] <ReggieUK> which = 25Mhz
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, real HDD or flash?
[23:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: regular spinning platter oldschool HDD
[23:44] <ReggieUK> I don't know what other values you should expect in there
[23:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Flash would be a little redundant, since it's about 50x faster than the Pi is even capable of sustaining over USB
[23:45] <rasp7aa> pi2 needs esata
[23:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> Although the low power aspect would be nice, I suppose
[23:45] <gordonDrogon>
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> 400e00325b5900001da77f800a400000
[23:45] <ReggieUK> but some people (especially the cards that claim ultra-high-speeds) will be using 100Mhz
[23:45] <oldman> I have just installed a wifi dongle into my Rpi. AS soon as I enable it the cpu maxes out. Does anyone else have the same problem?
[23:45] <ReggieUK> 32 gordonDrogon
[23:45] <ReggieUK> 25Mhz
[23:45] * akSeya (~gres@2001:470:1f0f:c20:5958:5e24:d679:dcfb) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[23:45] <ReggieUK> do me a favour then
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, how does 400e00325b5900001da77f800a400000 read as 32?
[23:45] <rasp7aa> 400e00325b59000076b27f800a404000
[23:45] <ReggieUK> set your emmc clock to 25000000 and see what hdparm gives you
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[23:46] <ReggieUK> rasp7aa, again, 32
[23:46] <ReggieUK> 25Mhz :)
[23:46] <Myst> overscan_*** can have negative value ?
[23:46] <ReggieUK> 40-0e-00-32 <--- that's the byte we're looking at :D
[23:46] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: It's only a bog standard blue sandisk 16gb
[23:46] <rasp7aa> Myst: I believe so
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> ok. 3 * 16 + 2 is not 25.
[23:46] <ReggieUK> rasp7aa, it doesn't matter what it is, it's interesting to see what values people are getting from there
[23:47] <Syliss> nope tis 50
[23:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> Myst: no harm in trying.. although part of your picture may appear on your wall, or possibly in an alternate universe
[23:47] <SpeedEvil> Could this also be the reason why some cards don't work?
[23:47] <rasp7aa> too many hz?
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> Timing buffered disk reads: 38 MB in 3.03 seconds = 12.54 MB/sec
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> marginally faster.
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> but 12.5 is half 25 ...
[23:48] <ReggieUK> marginally faster than what?
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> 12.10 MB/sec
[23:48] * Mrkva tried 300M. won't boot
[23:48] <rasp7aa> mines gone down to 8.35 :(
[23:48] <ReggieUK> but is that 25Mhz speed about the same as when you set init_clock_speed to 240Mhz?
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> init_emmc_clock=250000000
[23:49] <Mrkva> but I've got Timing buffered disk reads 1.17MB with default, 12.76MB/s with init_emmc_clock=250000000
[23:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> Connect USB hard drives, be happy :D
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> with 24 it was 12.1 with 25 it was 12.5
[23:49] * oldman (~martin@host-2-103-173-250.as13285.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[23:50] <Mrkva> on a class 6 card
[23:50] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, no I asked you to do 25,000,000!
[23:50] <rasp7aa> same amount of zeros?
[23:50] <ReggieUK> sorry, not telling you off :)
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> oh, make it go slower?
[23:50] <ReggieUK> yes
[23:50] <ReggieUK> set it to 25mhz
[23:51] * gordonDrogon knocks off a zero and reboots.
[23:51] <Ben64> everyone's lego case is better than mine :(
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> it's booting...
[23:51] <rasp7aa> all the lego cases look terrible imo
[23:51] * jprvita is now known as jprvita|afk
[23:52] <Ben64> the hdmi hole is huge
[23:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> rasp7aa: the one with the little lego Pi logo on top isn't so bad, but none of them provide any sort of port reinforcement
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> no, it's not booting. it's timing out waiting for the interrupts.
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> bother.
[23:52] <Ben64> port reinforcement?
[23:52] * GabrialDestruir (60f03570@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[23:52] <rasp7aa> port reinforcement
[23:52] * mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:52] * PiBot sets mode +v mkopack
[23:53] <Ben64> port reinforcement?
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> Ben64, aparently some people are like gorillas and break the ports ...
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> or knock the capacitors off...
[23:53] <rasp7aa> the hdmi snaps easily enough
[23:53] <ReggieUK> more like, sometimes people will drop them
[23:53] <ReggieUK> or sometimes they won't be properly secured etc.
[23:53] * chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> mmc0: Internet clock never stabilised
[23:54] <Ben64> my pi is solid in the case i made
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> *Internal
[23:54] <rasp7aa> to be fair, a hdmi port does take a little bit of force to get in
[23:54] <Ben64> it just looks terrible
[23:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> better to have port reinforcement and not need it, than to need it and not have it; Nokia N900 proved this pretty well
[23:54] <ReggieUK> now that does seem odd gordonDrogon
[23:54] <rasp7aa> Ben64: cover it in epoxy and then paint it
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> oh well. I'll power it down now.
[23:54] <Ben64> the pi? :|
[23:54] <ReggieUK> as that is the speed your card should go at in theory
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> My n900 never had a usb port failure.
[23:55] <rasp7aa> lol ReggieUK is just guessing
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> so why driving it 10x faster was making it work?
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> sure there isn't a divider in there somewhere?
[23:55] <dmsuse> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/images/raspberrypi/IMG_0004.jpg
[23:55] <ReggieUK> exactly, why was it working
[23:55] <dmsuse> this is the only case worth getting
[23:55] <ReggieUK> I might be guessing but I'm taking at least semi educated guesses
[23:55] <rasp7aa> the modmypi case!
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, I have the red one :)
[23:55] <Ben64> that is barely a case
[23:56] <dmsuse> well its not a mobile phone, what more do you need ;)
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> Got a clear one on order thouh - will get it tomorow.
[23:56] <Ben64> i want mine enclosed
[23:56] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: the clear looks cool :D im worried about scratches though
[23:56] <Ben64> no dust holes
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> laptops tuned off. double bother.
[23:56] <rasp7aa> I prefer the look of the adafruit case with the ribbon connector
[23:57] <rasp7aa> it looks badass
[23:57] <rasp7aa> brb
[23:57] * rasp7aa (~raspbian@cpc19-epso4-2-0-cust160.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[23:58] * akSeya (~gres@2001:470:1f0f:c20:d552:fe70:7587:a76a) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:58] * PiBot sets mode +v akSeya
[23:58] * akSeya is now known as Guest64720
[23:59] * ebswift (kvirc@ has joined #raspberrypi
[23:59] * PiBot sets mode +v ebswift
[23:59] <trevorman> dmsuse: looks like a floppy disk
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> Timing buffered disk reads: 38 MB in 3.03 seconds = 12.54 MB/sec

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