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IRC Log for 2012-06-07

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[0:00] <gordonDrogon> back to "normal".
[0:00] <dmsuse> lol it does
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[0:03] <ReggieUK> :)
[0:03] <ReggieUK> thanks for trying anyway
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[0:04] <plugwash> any git experts arround who want to help out raspbian?
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[0:04] <rasp7aa> ugh this is so annoying
[0:05] <rasp7aa> does the sequence get logged somewhere?
[0:05] <rasp7aa> Because my pi doesn't start up if I reboot it. It only starts up if I turn it off and on again
[0:05] <rasp7aa> *boot sequence
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[0:08] <Mrkva> rasp7aa: reboot = reboot command?
[0:08] <Valter> Hey everyone
[0:08] <rasp7aa> yeah
[0:08] <Mrkva> strange, that works for me
[0:08] <Mrkva> although I have non-stock kernel
[0:08] <rasp7aa> Mrkva: It used to work for me too
[0:09] <Valter> I have two 32GB microSD cards and neither seem to work. The OK LED never lights up. One is Adata and the other is SanDisk, both class 4. Are they a total lost cause or are there some things known to help MicroSD compatibility?
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[0:10] <rasp7aa> are you sure you're dding them correctly?
[0:10] <Valter> I'm pretty sure. I've been using W32DI because I'm too lazy to reboot into Windows. But my 2GB SD card and 2GB MicroSD card both work.
[0:11] <Mrkva> Valter: microSDs were quite issue for me
[0:11] <Valter> I suppose trying dd from Arch is a good idea.
[0:11] <Mrkva> that microSD->SD adapter usually sucks
[0:11] <Valter> I've tried different adapters.
[0:11] <Valter> The 2GB MicroSD works with them all.
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[0:11] <Valter> One sec, let me reboot into Linux
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[0:15] <david3x3x3> i'm using a microsd now and it's working, but i'll probably try to buy a fast sdcard
[0:16] <Valter> Okay, I'm in Arch. I'll try reflashing with dd
[0:16] <Valter> Do I need to use any special parameters?
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> Sandisk Ultra class 6
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> actually, it might be worth seeing if my Kingston ones work fast...
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[0:17] <ender|> Valter: bs=1M or so, otherwise it'll go really slow
[0:17] <Valter> ender|, thanks
[0:17] <ender|> btw, there's a dd for windows, too
[0:17] <Valter> Really?
[0:17] <ender|> http://uranus.chrysocome.net/linux/rawwrite/index.htm
[0:18] <ReggieUK> anyone else listening to bbc radio 1xtra
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[0:18] <ender|> run it from elevated command prompt, start with dd --list to get the list of drives
[0:19] <Valter> Well, I might as well use Linux while I'm here.
[0:20] <ender|> note that if your sd card is formatted, windows often won't let you overwrite it, even if it's not in use - in that case doing dd if=/dev/zero of=\\?\Device\Harddisk5\Partition0 bs=512 count=15 then removing and reinserting the card will fix that
[0:20] <ender|> (always use \\?\Device\HarddiskX\Partition0 when writing a disk image)
[0:21] <Mrkva> hmmm.... http://dx.com/p/android-4-0-mini-pc-google-tv-player-w-wifi-allwinner-a10-cortex-a8-tf-hdmi-white-4gb-137012
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[0:21] <Valter> ender|, What about a tool with which to extend the root partition of the SD card?
[0:22] <rasp7aa> gparted
[0:22] <Valter> I mean from Windows.
[0:22] <ender|> gparted should work from linux
[0:22] <ender|> forget it
[0:22] <ender|> you'd need something that understands ext4
[0:22] <Valter> Yeah, but I didn't know if something like that exists for Windows.
[0:23] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: no
[0:24] <ender|> might be possible to extend just the partition with diskpart, and then extend the fs after booting though
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[0:25] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: any good?
[0:25] <shayter> There any one from Seneca around?
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[0:26] <shayter> (or anyone working on the Fedora fork) ?
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[0:27] <shayter> Or anyone that knows how to mitigate these recurring errors:
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[0:27] <shayter> Jun 6 18:16:39 raspberry kernel: [257103.620363] mmc0: note - long write sync 51098000ns - 517832 its.
[0:27] <rasp7aa> shayter: mmc0 is your sd card
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[0:28] <shayter> ya, I know what it is, but it's throwing chronic errors, regardless of what card I use. Same card w/Debian doesn't gen errors.
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[0:29] <shayter> (F14ARM works flawlessly besides that -- but the perf hit is making me contemplate going back to squeeze.
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[0:31] <shayter> Same behavior with a Sandisk C2 card, and a Kingston C10 card. (4GB and 16GB respectively). I picked up a PNY C6 card last night which I'm gonna try this evening... But I'm certain it's a tuning parm someplace that'll be resolved with F17 -- but I'm impatient. ;-)
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[0:33] <shayter> So no one from Seneca?
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[0:38] <Valter> Copied the arch image with dd, still no dice.
[0:39] <shayter> well -- after 4 days of playing, I found my answer right at the same time I asked the question here... *grumble* I'll switch to the PNY card tonight -- the one I got yesterday is on the "known good hardware list" at elinux.org. The SanDisk card is known to do exactly what it's doing with Remix 14, even thought it works fine with Squeeze. Weird...
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[0:39] <Foxhoundz> I wonder
[0:39] <Foxhoundz> Can I use the Raspberry Pi logo on my little site?
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[0:40] <rasp7aa> Foxhoundz: As long as it's non-commercial
[0:40] <rasp7aa> Foxhoundz: liz is going to sue me, http://86.30.196.161/
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[0:42] <libv> does anyone know where the firmware/boot/*.elf files get loaded and how?
[0:42] <rasp7aa> libv: mysteries of the binary blob
[0:42] <trevorman> libv: the bootloader in ROM
[0:43] <trevorman> it knows just enough to talk to (most) SD cards, read a FAT partition and load a file
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[0:47] <libv> without looking at an strace, it seems that the userspace bits talk to /dev/vchiq over a load of ioctls
[0:49] <CapNemo> Hello
[0:49] <libv> i guess this is some GPLed code in the kernel that basically just pipes through to the blob loaded at some reserved memory space?
[0:49] <rasp7aa> hi CapNemo
[0:50] <trevorman> libv: you have a binary GPU firmware and a binary library
[0:50] <trevorman> the kernel driver is just the interface between the two
[0:50] <libv> it's not firmware as far as i can see
[0:50] <trevorman> its inside start.elf
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[0:52] <libv> what is the relationship between the arm***_start.elf files and the start.elf
[0:52] <rasp7aa> they both end in .elf
[0:52] <trevorman> you pick the one you want with the correct memory split
[0:52] <trevorman> just rename whatever one you want to start.elf
[0:52] <libv> rasp7aa: amusing.
[0:52] <libv> trevorman: aha, so only one of them is used
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[0:52] <libv> cool
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[0:53] <trevorman> GPU bootloader loads bootcode.bin which enables RAM and then loads loader.bin. That is just a stub loader that understands ELF and it loads start.elf which then does all the various initialisation and then loads your kernel. start.elf contains the GPU firmware.
[0:53] <libv> quite a bit more than just GPU firmware
[0:53] <trevorman> yes
[0:53] <trevorman> never said it was just GPU firmware :P
[0:53] <trevorman> you don't get a usable system until after start.elf has done its thing
[0:53] <libv> they even hid away the display stuff.
[0:53] <libv> *sighs*
[0:54] <trevorman> thats fairly normal unfortunately for these socs
[0:54] <libv> not really
[0:54] <ShiftPlusOne> they hid away the accelerated display stuff, you can still use the framebuffer if you're working on your own distro.
[0:54] <libv> maybe for broadcom
[0:54] <ShiftPlusOne> *your own os/kernel
[0:55] <scorphus> Hello, I've lost my activation code without placing the oder. I already sent the email as per the FAQs but no response in weeks, can someone help me?
[0:55] <rasp7aa> scorphus: Contact RS customer support
[0:55] <trevorman> libv: broadcom are generally useless for release specs. took forever just to get their ethernet controllers going -.-
[0:55] <ReggieUK> tbh the pi is the first time i've seen anything better than a marginal 2d framebuffer and a bit of opengles on an arm embedded platform
[0:55] <scorphus> rasp7aa: by email? I already did that 3 weeks ago
[0:55] <trevorman> scorphus: you'll have to do what rasp7aa said. none of us are part of RS and have no access at all to the queue.
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[0:56] <ReggieUK> last device I messed with only had 8MB of ram total
[0:56] <ReggieUK> including graphics
[0:56] <ShiftPlusOne> libv, what's a good soc which provides open drivers for everything?
[0:56] <rasp7aa> scorphus: By phone if possible
[0:56] <libv> ShiftPlusOne: when i get round to finishing my mali work, samsung exynos, allwinner A10
[0:56] <scorphus> rasp7aa: oh, sure! thanks =)
[0:57] * scorphus never thought about contacting by phone
[0:57] <rasp7aa> I don't think it's a freephone number though
[0:57] <ShiftPlusOne> libv, a bit sceptical, but we'll see.
[0:58] <libv> ShiftPlusOne: really?
[0:58] <libv> ShiftPlusOne: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwODA
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> libv, yeah I am aware that it's there, I am not aware of it being usable or any good (yet?)
[0:59] <Valter> I can't for the life of me get this microSD card to work.
[0:59] <libv> needs (quite a bit) more of my love, but it'll get there
[0:59] <Valter> I just get no response from the Pi
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Valter, yup, it can be a bit picky about which cards work.
[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne> libv, that will be great.
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[1:01] <Valter> ShiftPlusOne, Neither of my 32GB cards work :(
[1:01] <Valter> And the largest I have besides them are 2GB cards.
[1:01] <cehteh> is there a simple way to boot the pi into single user mode?
[1:02] <ShiftPlusOne> cehteh, yup, the way you'd do it normally, modify cmdline.
[1:02] <ShiftPlusOne> cehteh, try adding the word 'single' if you're using debian. Not 100% sure that it will work, but it should
[1:02] <cehteh> is there a bootmenu?
[1:02] <cehteh> or beforehand editing the file?
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> edit the file
[1:03] <cehteh> ok thanks
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> there is a multiboot thing I've been working on, but it's not quite there yet.
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Valter, you could use the 2gb then load the rest off USB.
[1:04] <cehteh> i just added a new partition and want to move /usr /opt /home /var to it, needs a single user boot to remove the old cruft
[1:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Valter, then the sdcard is just for the kernel and firmware and your actual OS is on USB. At least that's what I would do if I was in that situation.
[1:04] <Valter> ShiftPlusOne, that was my plan B
[1:05] <cehteh> lets try
[1:05] <ShiftPlusOne> cehteh, if that doesn't work, you could add 'init=/bin/sh' which I know works for sure.
[1:05] <gordonDrogon> debian would use -s or -b on the command line for single or low-level 'boot' mode.
[1:05] <Valter> ShiftPlusOne, but how do I get the kernel to look for the OS on another device?
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[1:06] <cehteh> yep i know, i just didnt know if and how a bootmenu is used
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> Valter: you'd need a SD
[1:06] <cehteh> another question: how do i reboot? shutdown -r now does a poweroff
[1:06] <ReggieUK> root=/dev/someplace/else?
[1:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Valter, by editing cmdline.txt and changing root= to the right value
[1:07] <ReggieUK> sudo reboot
[1:07] <Valter> ....wow, I can't believe I asked that.
[1:07] <Valter> I should know these things, heh
[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Valter, heh
[1:07] <cehteh> anyone tried zram yet? i am going to try that next
[1:07] <Valter> It's been a long week.
[1:07] <ReggieUK> everyone has to start somewhere Valter :)
[1:07] <Valter> And I got my first mechanical keyboard today. I love it so much.
[1:08] <Valter> But I've been maintaining my own headless Debian server for a couple of years now.
[1:08] <cehteh> single worked for the record
[1:08] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, it seems there is definitely an upper and lower limit that you can use for init_emmc_clock
[1:09] <ReggieUK> 25,26,30Mhz, no dice, 50Mhz, slow as mud but booting
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[1:09] <ReggieUK> all the way upto 250mhz with increasing speeds (but still not as fast as windows + card reader)
[1:10] <ReggieUK> I think the best I got was 240mhz and 12.4mb/s
[1:10] <ReggieUK> in windows I get 18mb/s
[1:10] <SpeedEvil> odd.
[1:10] <SpeedEvil> Where is this speed coming from - it's clearly not the actual clock speed
[1:10] <SpeedEvil> which is ~25MHz
[1:11] <ReggieUK> indeed
[1:11] <ReggieUK> this is the bit I really don't understand
[1:11] <ReggieUK> the numbers are random compared to the card speed
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[1:11] <ReggieUK> and they really don't even relate to the recommended settings, nor the natural values that you expect to find for all cards in the SD family
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[1:12] <ReggieUK> so I suppose next up is poking the emmc driver with a stick to see what it's actually setting clocks and dividers to and when it's doing it
[1:13] <lennard> what about the voltage switching thing?
[1:13] <cehteh> oops .. there is no tmpfs on /tmp by default (debian)
[1:13] <ReggieUK> that's something that bothers me lennard
[1:14] <ReggieUK> are we in 4bit or 1bit mode too
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[1:17] <RoyK> http://karlsbakk.net/bilder/webgal/ny-aalesund/ <-- cool!
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[1:20] <SpeedEvil> I'm pretty sure 1 bit mode can't support close to that speed
[1:20] <SpeedEvil> simple test would be to attach a scope to the clock
[1:21] <Mrgoose2> anyone used one of those radioshack project boxes as a raspberry pi case
[1:22] <ReggieUK> something's not right, those clock speeds are for uhs cards
[1:22] <ReggieUK> the reallly fast ones
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[1:24] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, I've not pushed it ...
[1:24] <ReggieUK> I'm not pushing it over 240
[1:24] <ReggieUK> but I think I'll probably drop way back down just to be on the safe side
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[1:25] <ReggieUK> I pushed it to 260 and it failed in a glorious heap
[1:25] <Simon-> do you realise that the DMA code in the SD driver has a busy wait in it? :)
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[1:25] <neofutur> Mrgoose2: radioshackproject boxes ? link ?
[1:25] * cehteh bought a UHS card for the rpi today .. now deliver me the speed please :)
[1:25] <ReggieUK> at low speeds, the card does a lot of timeout errors
[1:25] <ReggieUK> at 260mhz, it just lost the card comletely
[1:26] <Simon-> oh, it never calls bcm_dma_wait_idle
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[1:26] <ReggieUK> Simon-m what is the significance of that
[1:26] <rasp7aa> cehteh: reboot
[1:26] <ReggieUK> because it's also got udelays in the code too
[1:26] <ReggieUK> which was pointed out to me
[1:26] <cehteh> rasp7aa: you have a long lag :)
[1:26] <rasp7aa> I was watching something, sorry
[1:27] * cehteh rebooted twice meanwhile and preparing to build a kernel now
[1:28] <SpeedEvil> Has anyone done DAB reception under linux?
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[1:28] <Mrgoose2> neofutur: http://www.radioshack.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=project%20box&origkw=project+box&sr=1
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[1:29] <arthurdent> after dding the image to my sd card, should i expand the size of the ext4 partition to the full size of the card, or make another ext4 partition on it?
[1:29] <Simon-> the comment in sdhci_bcm2708_raw_writel is hilarious
[1:29] <Vexxecon> Hello, everyone!
[1:29] <CapNemo> mmmm my pi doesn't boot I think :( I have put archlinux on the sd but nothing on the screen. anyway to troubleshoot it ?
[1:29] <neofutur> I have a radioshack near my home and need a case for the pi, thanks for the link
[1:29] <cehteh> arthurdent: i just made another one .. but ymmv
[1:29] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: should I return it back to stock value then?
[1:29] <Vexxecon> I have a question that hopefully you will be able to help me with, if anybody cares to lend a hand.
[1:29] <ReggieUK> imho, probably
[1:29] <Simon-> it seems that they decided to go with poor quality hardware chips to get the cost down too
[1:30] <rasp7aa> okay
[1:30] <arthurdent> cehteh: is there any space to install anything on the ext4 partition that the dd'd image lives on?
[1:30] <arthurdent> more importantly, will it hurt anything to extend it?
[1:30] <ReggieUK> until we know why it works
[1:30] <plugwash> extending the root partition should be fine
[1:30] <Ben64> i extended mine to fill up the 16GB
[1:30] <Ben64> works perfect
[1:30] <cehteh> arthurdent: not much .. i (*just*) moved /usr /opt /var and /home to the new partition
[1:31] <Vexxecon> I just got my Pi yesterday, and I'm attempting to install Fedora Remix on an SD card(from windows). I run through the installer(as administrator), and it says successful, but it it doesn't do anything.The SD card is empty, and nothing has been written.
[1:31] <cehteh> got my device today :P
[1:31] <Vexxecon> Thoughts?
[1:31] <rasp7aa> Vexxecon: try raspbian instead
[1:31] <cehteh> arthurdent: rsync over .. mount the new partition .. make bindmounts in fstab
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[1:32] <Vexxecon> rasp7aa: will do
[1:33] <arthurdent> should i make a swap?
[1:33] <rasp7aa> no
[1:33] <cehteh> swap on SD is ultra slow .. for emergency maybe but you rather come to a halt than any progress if the system starts swapping
[1:34] <arthurdent> heh
[1:34] * plugwash generally wouldn't, swapping on a SD is generally a bad idea so no point wasting SD space with a swap partition that you probablly won't enable
[1:34] <cehteh> i am just building a new kernel with zram and report about that later
[1:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> http://www.kerrywong.com/2012/02/19/atmega328-fuse-bit-setting-for-3-3v-vcc/
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[1:34] <cehteh> and i have swap on sd for the kernel build (emergency .. you know :))
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[1:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wonder if the people who have problems running an arduino ATMega328 down to 3.3v are simply dipping theirs below the brownout voltage
[1:35] <ExeciN> Is there a way to test my unit without a TV? Can I get video over the network?
[1:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> ExeciN: depends what you mean by "video"
[1:36] <ReggieUK> you can ssh into the pi over the network
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[1:36] <ReggieUK> so you can see if it's working
[1:36] <arthurdent> ExeciN: you could certainly ssh into it if you have a way of enabling it on the image
[1:37] <arthurdent> and then maybe use x11 forwarding? hahaha, that would suck
[1:37] <ReggieUK> add ssh to the end of the line in cmdline.txt
[1:37] <ExeciN> ReffieUK: I know but is there a way to get what the RCA gives?
[1:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> I had a great way of enabling SSH before I figured out the cmdline.txt method
[1:37] <ReggieUK> there is only one way to get the stuff out of the rca socket
[1:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'd hook up a keyboard, log-in blind and fire it up with sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start
[1:37] <ReggieUK> with an rca cable and a tv
[1:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Works every time, 50% of the time!
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[1:38] <Mrgoose2> what kind of cases are you all using?
[1:38] <ReggieUK> but talking to it over ssh is usually a very reasonable indicator that everything is working
[1:38] <ReggieUK> or should work
[1:38] <cehteh> at times you are not a few continents away :)
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[1:38] <ReggieUK> case?
[1:38] <Mrgoose2> ya
[1:39] <Mrgoose2> no case?
[1:39] <ReggieUK> heresy
[1:39] <ReggieUK> my case is 'going commando'
[1:39] <ReggieUK> my pi is going commando even
[1:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> Mrgoose2: I use SKPangs simple two sheets of laser cut acrylic and a bunch of hacked up separators
[1:39] <Skrotus> I'm using the cardboard punnet one until the plastic one I ordered comes
[1:39] * plugwash is using the yoctopuce one
[1:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> SKPangs "case" is good if you ignore all the countless bad things about it :D
[1:39] <Mrgoose2> Skrotus: where did you order yours from?
[1:40] <Skrotus> modmypi
[1:40] <cehteh> how long does a kernel build on the device take? less than a hour?
[1:40] <Mrgoose2> oh, those are back ordered right?
[1:40] <Skrotus> I wanted marcoa's one but it cost more than I was willing to spend
[1:40] <arthurdent> lol
[1:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> cehteh: less than a day
[1:40] <Skrotus> yeah
[1:40] <Mrgoose2> eww shiping from Europe
[1:40] <Mrgoose2> :(
[1:40] <cehteh> Gadgetoid: ok :)
[1:40] <Skrotus> cheap though!
[1:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> cehteh: I never actually stuck around long enough to count, but definitely more than an hour
[1:41] <ReggieUK> anybody got any resources for installing your own toolchain to compile debian squeeze?
[1:41] <Mrgoose2> Skrotus: ship to america?
[1:41] <cehteh> i just start it and check tomorrow
[1:41] <cehteh> installing ccache might be worthwhile
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[1:42] <ReggieUK> oh no, I'm not going to compile on the pi
[1:42] <ReggieUK> there's no fun waiting for stuff to compile
[1:42] <arthurdent> waiting for _everything_ to compile* >_>
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[1:43] <cehteh> haha no one came up with a gentoo for the rpi yet?
[1:43] <Skrotus> it said on the site that shipping was the same no matter where you were, I can't find it now though
[1:43] * plugwash has never got into crossbuilding
[1:43] <ReggieUK> crossbuilding is fun kinda
[1:43] <plugwash> cehteh, there are some guys working on gentoo for pi, I beleive they are using some kind of crossbuild setup
[1:43] <plugwash> rebuilding all of debian natively on arm to produce raspbian was an "interesting" experiance
[1:43] <cehteh> sure but i like to have self contained devices if bearable (that doesnt mean to compile everything on my own .. but have the opportunity)
[1:44] <arthurdent> where is cmdline.txt?
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[1:44] <arthurdent> for archlinux
[1:44] <plugwash> (admittedly we did use better arm hardware than the Pi but still)
[1:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Has anyone actually *got* a ModMyPi case yet?
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[1:45] <plugwash> arthurdent, it goes on the fat partition along with the kernel bootloader etc
[1:45] <plugwash> most linux images i've seen seem to mount that partition as /boot
[1:45] <arthurdent> do i have to make it? i don't see it in there already
[1:45] <plugwash> I think so
[1:45] <Skrotus> they don't start production until the 15th of june last I saw Gadgetoid_Air
[1:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> Skrotus: Ah, so the "In Stock" on their store pages is a dirty great lie then?
[1:46] <arthurdent> where can i get instructions for cmdline.txt?
[1:46] <Skrotus> the site has changed since I ordered
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[1:47] <Skrotus> it does say preorder on the front page though
[1:47] <plugwash> arthurdent, pretty sure whatever you put in there just goes on the kernel command line
[1:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> Confusing :D oh well, I'm in no rush!
[1:47] <arthurdent> oh ok
[1:48] <arthurdent> i don't actually have my pi yet :(
[1:48] <arthurdent> well i mean it's not in my posession, it's at my dad's house because I didn't think it was going to ship to my apartment before i moved out
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[1:50] <Syliss> so i was thinking, the pi A would be great for the lap dock
[1:51] <CapNemo> woot! nice to see the pi booting up :)
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[1:52] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: they have an irc channel now
[1:53] <rasp7aa> #modmypi
[1:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> rasp7aa: mu ha ha, might have to tickle them for a review sample ;D
[1:53] <Skrotus> so they do
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[1:57] <rasp7aa> ah
[1:57] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: ta
[1:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> alt+x too, apparently
[1:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'll have to make a mental note to remember to remember that
[1:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> And now, I must slee
[1:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or sleep
[1:58] <Skrotus> night
[1:58] <rasp7aa> night
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[1:59] <PhonRaspPi> hey all
[1:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> night folks!
[1:59] <rasp7aa> hi
[1:59] * PiBot sets mode +v PhonRaspPi
[1:59] <PhonRaspPi> i <3 my pi :)
[1:59] <PhonRaspPi> im gonna build a hardfp gentoo image for it later
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[1:59] <rasp7aa> PhonRaspPi: My pi doesn't come back if I use "reboot" :(
[1:59] <PhonRaspPi> see how that performs
[2:00] <cehteh> cloning the kernel already takes ages and swap :P
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[2:02] <ExeciN> How much space do I need for squeeze? Can it fit on a 2GB SD?
[2:02] <PhonRaspPi> that was odd, my terminal just froze up
[2:02] <PhonRaspPi> who was having the issue of their pi not coming back after a reboot?
[2:03] <Ben64> sweet, 2nd pi on its way
[2:03] <ReggieUK> PhonRaspPi, rasp7aa was
[2:03] <ReggieUK> ExeciN, yeah it'll fit on a 2gb card
[2:03] <PhonRaspPi> rasp7aa: is it throwing SD errors?
[2:04] <PhonRaspPi> im gonna get a 2nd pi after i finish moving home
[2:04] <rasp7aa> PhonRaspPi: I dunno, it doesn't have a monitor
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[2:05] <rasp7aa> PhonRaspPi: But the last couple of times I've used "reboot" it hasn't come back and I've had to go downstairs and manually turn it off and on again
[2:05] <PhonRaspPi> rasp7aa: then attatch one to find out what's going on?
[2:05] <rasp7aa> logs would be useful, but I don't know how to turn them on
[2:06] <PhonRaspPi> well if its an SD issue then there wont be any :P
[2:06] <rasp7aa> grr
[2:06] <PhonRaspPi> mine ften fails to mount the SD on boo
[2:06] <PhonRaspPi> *BOOT
[2:06] <rasp7aa> It never did before
[2:06] <PhonRaspPi> bleh i keep hitting caps lock
[2:06] <rasp7aa> :(
[2:07] <PhonRaspPi> using my android tablet as a terminal to my pi
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[2:07] <PhonRaspPi> my pi has an uptime of 9 days 4 hours :)
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[2:07] <rasp7aa> hmm, so I could get away with never resetting it?
[2:08] <PhonRaspPi> i never restart mine
[2:08] <PhonRaspPi> unless i have to
[2:08] <rasp7aa> you should do a rpi-update
[2:09] <Skrotus> the newer kernel fixes a lot of the sd card problems
[2:09] <Skrotus> or at least it fixed mine
[2:10] <PhonRaspPi> hmm, dont have rpi update on this SD
[2:10] <PhonRaspPi> i run debian instead of raspbian
[2:10] <rasp7aa> install it then
[2:10] <rasp7aa> raspbian is pretty nice
[2:10] <PhonRaspPi> ive got a raspbian image on another SD card
[2:10] <PhonRaspPi> i didn't like it as much
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[2:11] <PhonRaspPi> mainly due to the repos not having as much in
[2:11] <Skrotus> I'm running debian, just waiting for raspbian to be a bit more finished
[2:11] <PhonRaspPi> im gonna sort out a gentoo image later and use that
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[2:12] <vexxecon_> Howdy! I came in earlier with issues on the Fedora
[2:12] <vexxecon_> Remix, and was told to try Raspbian
[2:12] <PhonRaspPi> seems sensible
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[2:13] <vexxecon_> I'm having issues with Raspbian now, the DHCP isn't configuring correctly and neither is manual configuration
[2:13] <Ben64> try debian :P
[2:13] <Skrotus> I'd kind of like to do lfs, not sure how hard it would be though
[2:13] <PhonRaspPi> lol
[2:14] <Skrotus> and would take aages
[2:14] <PhonRaspPi> Skrotus: its not that bad
[2:14] <PhonRaspPi> the LFS book does it the long way
[2:14] <PhonRaspPi> you can do it with just a kernel and busybox
[2:14] <PhonRaspPi> ive done it a stack of times
[2:14] <Skrotus> cool
[2:15] <PhonRaspPi> thats a thought...
[2:15] <PhonRaspPi> maybe i should just build busybox for the pi
[2:15] <PhonRaspPi> and have a ultra-minimal system
[2:15] <vexxecon_> hah, that would be awesome.
[2:16] <Skrotus> I'm just running a few services on mine for the moment, don't need most of this stuff
[2:16] <PhonRaspPi> i think busybox even has dhclient in it
[2:16] <ReggieUK> there's so much junk on the debian client
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[2:16] <ReggieUK> it's all well and good having a shiny desktop and all that
[2:17] <shirro> Have a look at OE
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[2:17] <PhonRaspPi> openelec is cool
[2:17] <ReggieUK> but if everything runs sloooooow because it's struggling to cope with 2d on the cpu, what's teh point?
[2:17] <rasp7aa> vexxecon_: try changing it from eth0 to eth1
[2:17] <shirro> I meant Open Embedded
[2:17] <PhonRaspPi> ah
[2:17] <Ben64> ReggieUK: i don't even use gui
[2:17] <PhonRaspPi> i wanna run Android on my
[2:17] <ReggieUK> I Could do with finding a decent crosscompiling tutorial
[2:17] <PhonRaspPi> pi, 2.3 should be usable
[2:18] <PhonRaspPi> ReggieUK: if you use gentoo its really really easy
[2:18] <Skrotus> they're going to get X drivers happening for the gpu eventually aren't they?
[2:18] <PhonRaspPi> Skrotus: we can only hope
[2:18] <Ben64> Skrotus: likely
[2:18] <PhonRaspPi> then I can play theme hospital! woo
[2:18] <PhonRaspPi> well i can already but its a bit slow
[2:18] <ReggieUK> well, I'd like to mess with debian and for a minimal install I've got something else in mind
[2:18] <Skrotus> I'm still just running mine headless, don't even have a tv to plug in to it
[2:18] <PhonRaspPi> i posted some binaries if anyone else wants them
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[2:19] <vexxecon_> Here is a fun little update: Raspbian isn't detecting any ethernet controller on the board
[2:19] <PhonRaspPi> the Pi is supprisingly good at doing 3D output to my TV
[2:19] <PhonRaspPi> vexxecon_: dmesg | grep eth
[2:19] <vexxecon_> Uno moment. It's restarting.
[2:20] <Ben64> are there 3d demos around to play with?
[2:20] <PhonRaspPi> Ben64: 3D as in 3D films with shutter glasses 3D
[2:20] <Ben64> oh
[2:20] <PhonRaspPi> for 3D as in 3D graphics use Quake3 as a demo
[2:20] <Ben64> well time to look for more legos for my case
[2:21] <vexxecon_> PhonRaspPi: Ok, so after the restart it is now detecting it. I have all the fun stuff like a port, mac address, etc
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[2:21] <PhonRaspPi> vexxecon_: and what does ifconfig make of everything?
[2:22] <vexxecon_> PhonRaspPi: uno momento. My bro just restarted it(again)
[2:22] <PhonRaspPi> lol
[2:23] <vexxecon_> He's practicing fo rhis that is coming later this week.
[2:23] <PhonRaspPi> i love this terminal emulator
[2:23] <PhonRaspPi> swipe the screen to change sessions
[2:24] <vexxecon_> PhonRaspPi: ifconfig > ifconfig not found
[2:24] <PhonRaspPi> sudo ifconfig
[2:25] <r00t|home> no!
[2:25] <r00t|home> no need to run it as root
[2:25] <r00t|home> /sbin/ifconfig
[2:25] <r00t|home> it's just not in user's $PATH
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[2:26] <PhonRaspPi> i was being lazy :P
[2:26] <ReggieUK> oh something else i noticed when i 'underclocked' the emmc clock
[2:26] <ReggieUK> it kept coming back with timeout errors
[2:26] <ReggieUK> and usb errors
[2:26] <vexxecon_> PhonRaspPi: sudo not found r00t|home: no sudo in bin or sbin =x
[2:26] <ReggieUK> and reset errors
[2:26] <PhonRaspPi> is the emmc on the USB bus?
[2:26] <r00t|home> vexxecon_: i don't have sudo installed either
[2:27] <PhonRaspPi> vexxecon_: /sbin/ifconfig ?
[2:27] <r00t|home> "ip addr list"
[2:27] <ReggieUK> PhonRaspPi, not as far as i know, it's a seperate peripheral, with it's own totally independent clock source
[2:27] <r00t|home> ifconfig is obsolete anyway ;)
[2:27] <rasp7aa> why don't you people have sudo installed?
[2:27] <PhonRaspPi> righto
[2:27] <ReggieUK> it's made by arasan
[2:27] <vexxecon_> PhonRaspPi, r00t|home: no ifconfig in /sbin/ or /bin/, imeant
[2:27] <PhonRaspPi> rasp7aa: I don't think raspbian has it as stock
[2:27] <ReggieUK> but it's on the SoC
[2:27] <rasp7aa> yeah it does
[2:27] <r00t|home> rasp7aa: sudo is for noobs and ubuntu users
[2:27] <PhonRaspPi> vexxecon_: grab a better image :P
[2:28] <rasp7aa> r00t|home: so you just login as root?
[2:28] <shirro> ReggieUK: though who knows how they are hooked up inside the SoC. Someone was linking usb resets to heavy sd card use last night
[2:28] <shirro> It could have been a power thing though
[2:28] <r00t|home> rasp7aa: on a pi, i probably would... on other systems, i "exec su -" in some terminal emulator window
[2:29] <vexxecon_> PhonRaspPi: got an error with eth detect: ip: SIOCSIFFLAGS: unknown error 4008
[2:29] <ReggieUK> I was getting sd card issues and usb issues until I sorted out my power
[2:29] <ReggieUK> my usb cable was causing a 250mv voltage drop on the 5v rail
[2:29] <PhonRaspPi> vexxecon_: what happens if you set yourself a static IP?
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[2:29] <PhonRaspPi> erp you cant without ifconfig...
[2:29] <r00t|home> PhonRaspPi: he can't set an ip without ifconfig ;)
[2:29] <ReggieUK> and plugging in a decent powered hub causes a 250mv voltage drop on my 5v rail too
[2:30] <vexxecon_> my life is a lie without ifconfig
[2:30] <PhonRaspPi> apt-get install ifconfig ?
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[2:30] <r00t|home> maybe he has 'ip' (from iproute2)
[2:30] <ReggieUK> so the original psu i was using was dropping to 4.5v for the 5v rail
[2:30] <ReggieUK> which is out of spec
[2:30] <shirro> It doesn't seem unreasonable that writing to sd card heavily would draw more power and push a usb device over the edge
[2:30] <r00t|home> PhonRaspPi: where from would it install it without network connectivity...
[2:30] <PhonRaspPi> errrr
[2:30] <ReggieUK> well, it shouldn't push a usb device over the edge that is within spec
[2:30] <r00t|home> PhonRaspPi: also: $ dpkg -S /sbin/ifconfig
[2:30] <r00t|home> net-tools: /sbin/ifconfig
[2:31] <shirro> ReggieUK: but they often seem to be running on the edge thanks to those fuses
[2:31] <PhonRaspPi> r00t|home: he doesn't have i there - we checked
[2:31] <PhonRaspPi> *it
[2:31] <ReggieUK> because if extra power draw on the sd card causes essentially a brown-out on the usb, then the psu for the pi isn't sufficient
[2:31] <r00t|home> PhonRaspPi: i was pointing out the name of the PACKAGE
[2:31] <PhonRaspPi> ah
[2:31] <ReggieUK> shirro, sure but if you're using a powered hub it shouldn't matter
[2:32] <shirro> Unfortunately my powered hub makes some things worse
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[2:32] <ReggieUK> I should not be getting a 250mv drop on the 5v rail purely by plugging in a powered usb hub
[2:32] <ReggieUK> it had nothing else plugged into it
[2:32] <vexxecon_> So we're attempting it with a very linux friendly wireless adapter
[2:32] <shirro> I have my hub out now but it was causing more problems than it was fixing
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[2:33] <PhonRaspPi> good luck
[2:33] <ReggieUK> I get the feeling there are probably 2 stages of issues for people
[2:33] <ReggieUK> the first stage is all power related
[2:33] <ReggieUK> sd, usb, keyboards
[2:34] <ReggieUK> the 2nd stage is just general early adopter stuff with drivers/distros/settings
[2:35] <shirro> I wonder when the RPF will get enough money to hire a couple of full time kernel developers
[2:35] <ReggieUK> like slow sd cards, poor performance in certain drivers etc.
[2:35] <ReggieUK> I@m not sure they'll need to
[2:35] <ReggieUK> although, how long until the edu release?
[2:36] <vexxecon_> Sooo... Any other reccomendations of good Pi distros? I'm having nothing but issues.
[2:36] <ReggieUK> debian squeeze
[2:36] <Skrotus> debian is the officially recommended one for the moment I believe
[2:36] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[2:36] <Skrotus> it sounds like you've got bigger problems though
[2:36] <shirro> Leaving it to the community seems a cop out when you have a business that could turn over $35million in the first year. The drivers would get fixed so much faster if they hired people to work on them full time until they are fixed. Nobody is working on alsa are they?
[2:37] <rasp7aa> I think I'm going to go into a medically induced coma until the pi is decent product
[2:37] <ReggieUK> once it's installed, do sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[2:37] <ReggieUK> then follow the instructions here
[2:37] <ReggieUK> you will probably need to do sudo passwd root
[2:37] <ReggieUK> and put a password in
[2:38] <ReggieUK> so that you can su to root to do the rpi-update
[2:38] <Skrotus> I just sudo everything
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[2:39] <shirro> Oh, the shame, but the first thing I do when I get on Debian is setup the sudo to be exactly the same as Ubuntu
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[2:41] <ReggieUK> my take on it is, do whatever you need to do to get the job done
[2:41] <ReggieUK> don't take any notice of OS snobs and use whatever you feel comfortable with
[2:44] <rasp7aa> that's the worst thing about linux
[2:44] <rasp7aa> the neckbeards
[2:44] <Wolfram74> and yet very little we enjoy would exist were it not for neckbeards
[2:45] <rasp7aa> maybe, maybe not
[2:46] <Wolfram74> there's a joke in physics departments, how do you tell a hobo and a physics professor apart?
[2:46] <shirro> fsck I hate that term neckbeards. I am a beardy guy and I am not a pedantic unfriendly os snob. I even like Unity up to a point
[2:46] <IT_Sean> the hobo smells better?
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[2:46] <Wolfram74> yeah, that or the hobo's dressed better
[2:47] <IT_Sean> :p
[2:47] <rasp7aa> But a neckbeard is not just a beard, its also a false sense of superiority
[2:47] <Skrotus> I couldn't grow a proper beard if I tried :(
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[2:47] <rasp7aa> shirro: then you're not a neckbeard
[2:48] <shirro> Call them something else. Beards are cool
[2:48] * SpeedEvil possibly may qualify for a neckbeard.
[2:49] <Valter> Grr, my Synergy client daemon isn't connecting. Does anyone know of a good on-screen keyboard for Linux?
[2:49] <Skrotus> ooh my pi has been crawled by the googlebot
[2:49] <Valter> I can only have either keyboard or mouse connected at the moment
[2:49] <Wolfram74> i'm incredibly hirsute, but its been awhile since i let the hair grow in and see if it would beard properly
[2:49] <rasp7aa> Valter: you have a touchscreen?
[2:49] * IT_Sean has facemoss, but, not a neck beard
[2:50] <Valter> rasp7aa, nope
[2:50] * IT_Sean would look really silly with a neck beard
[2:50] <ReggieUK> my dad bought a 24" touchscreen recently
[2:50] <ReggieUK> the git
[2:50] <Valter> Wow
[2:50] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: Trust me, they'll be everywhere within three years
[2:50] <rasp7aa> its tft all over again
[2:51] <Wolfram74> tft?
[2:51] <ReggieUK> I'm sure they will be
[2:51] <shirro> Last thing I would want is fingerprints all over my screen. The iToys are bad enough
[2:51] <rasp7aa> thin film transistor
[2:51] <rasp7aa> shirro: there's coatings for that
[2:51] <des2> thats why they have onscreen keyboards....
[2:51] <Skrotus> it makes sense for a tablet or a phone, but I don't wanna be touching my pc screen
[2:52] <rasp7aa> what if your pc screen was a tablet?
[2:52] <shirro> rasp7aa: oh, the screens here have coatings. saliva, vegemite, honey...
[2:52] <rasp7aa> shirro: ewww
[2:52] <SpeedEvil> Now, if it was marmite, it'd be fine.
[2:52] <SpeedEvil> But vegemite is clerly eww
[2:52] <IT_Sean> eew
[2:53] <Skrotus> if my pc screen were a tablet it would be too small
[2:53] <rasp7aa> that's why we won't let vegemite out of australia
[2:53] <Skrotus> or too large and unweildy to be used as a tablet
[2:53] <IT_Sean> you silly australians
[2:53] <Skrotus> they sell vegemite in other countries I'm pretty sure
[2:53] <rasp7aa> Skrotus: It's an illusion
[2:54] <rasp7aa> Skrotus: you were really in australia the whole time
[2:54] <IT_Sean> lol
[2:55] <shirro> The decline in vegemite sales is causing a whole generation of weak useless Australian kids. We will be a sporting joke soon. I bet the chinese are injecting into the veins of their kids to build their future olympic greats
[2:56] <rasp7aa> it's worse than that
[2:56] <SpeedEvil> shirro: You've noticed the hue of the recent 100m winners. Clearly vegemite abuse.
[2:57] <rasp7aa> the chinese just lie about their ages
[2:57] <Skrotus> my sister won't buy vegemite anymore since it was certified as halal
[2:57] <shirro> Skrotus: seriously?
[2:58] <Skrotus> I pointed out that it was right next to the kosher symbol on the jar but she seems to think it's the muslims taking over
[2:58] <Skrotus> yeah
[2:58] <rasp7aa> rofl
[2:58] <rasp7aa> is she a bit white trash?
[2:58] <des2> There needs to a group certifying thinfs atheistic.
[2:59] <Skrotus> I think she is a bit
[2:59] <Valter> des2, 100% deity free?
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[2:59] <rasp7aa> what's the australian term.. bogan?
[3:00] <Skrotus> yeah that fits
[3:00] <Skrotus> she drives a ute and goes to ute musters, that sounds pretty bogan doesn't it?
[3:01] <rasp7aa> dunno, what's a ute?
[3:01] <Valter> Doesn't it mean utility vehicle?
[3:01] <Valter> Like an SUV?
[3:01] <Skrotus> oh right
[3:01] <SpeedEvil> Like a SUV, but with the back of the roof cut off
[3:01] <rasp7aa> wow SUV = white trash in australia?
[3:01] <Skrotus> well it's basically a car with the back ripped off and replaced with a tray
[3:02] <rasp7aa> oh, a flat bed truck?
[3:02] <shirro> Skrotus: some of those people are ok though. They are just ignorant and when they meet someone from another culture they grow up real fast and are all accepting. My wife taught at a school which was pretty much monocultural in a farm community and they would all talk like that. Her current school is the united nations
[3:02] <Valter> A flatbed sedan?
[3:02] <IT_Sean> Ute = http://www.netcarshow.com/holden/2011-ve_ii_ute_sv6/1600x1200/wallpaper_02.htm
[3:03] <Valter> That... is moderately ugly.
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> But you can put a sheep in the back!
[3:03] <rasp7aa> that looks pretty expensive for white trash
[3:03] <Valter> Hah
[3:03] <IT_Sean> Shhh... Don't tell that to ShiftPlusOne!
[3:03] <shirro> They are hopeless things. All the weight of the back of a rear wheel drive with a huge engine. Only good for going around in circles
[3:04] <rasp7aa> better than triangles
[3:04] <Foxhoundz> Has anyone tried Node.js on Pi?
[3:05] <rasp7aa> no
[3:05] <shirro> Most people around here drive big suvs and only the trash drive shitty old rusty commies. We go with a Subie and pretend we live somewhere else
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[3:13] <Foxhoundz> Damn it.
[3:13] <Foxhoundz> I'm going to try Node.js
[3:14] <Valter> The kernel doesn't seem to want to boot from a USB drive.
[3:15] <rasp7aa> Valter: try harder
[3:15] <Valter> rasp7aa: Okay.
[3:15] <Valter> :P
[3:15] <SpeedEvil> Valter: you may need the bootwait fag
[3:15] <SpeedEvil> flag
[3:16] <SpeedEvil> Or is it rootwait
[3:16] <shirro> Foxhoundz: I haven't got node to build on Raspbian yet. Which dsitro are you going to use?
[3:16] <Valter> ...my desktop's cursor is shaking around.
[3:16] <Foxhoundz> Foxhoundz: The same.
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[3:17] <shirro> Foxhoundz: good luck. And if you get it working please let me know. Anything you learn could also help with getting Chromium browser going
[3:17] <Valter> SpeedEvil: Looks like rootwait is what I want. Thanks.
[3:18] <Valter> SpeedEvil: Except that it's already there =/
[3:19] <ReggieUK> does it need anything modprobing to get the usb drive to be seen without trying to boot from it?
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[3:20] <Valter> ReggieUK: no idea
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[3:21] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone get Spotify running on a Pi yet? lol
[3:21] <Valter> I know that it's mounted as /dev/sda1 on a booted system.
[3:21] <Valter> Not mounted, but assigned
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[3:22] <ReggieUK> can you mount it?
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[3:23] <Valter> ReggieUK: Yep
[3:23] <Valter> ReggieUK: does the root param expect a preceeding /?
[3:24] <ReggieUK> it should be root=/dev/devicename
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[3:24] <rasp7aa> only on wednesdays
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[3:24] <Valter> "root=/dev/sda1"
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[3:24] <Valter> That's exactly how I have it
[3:25] <ReggieUK> shouldn't be any quotes around it
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[3:25] <Valter> I get "kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(8,1)"
[3:25] <Valter> Err... sorry, it doesn't have quotes
[3:26] <trevorman> the USB controller driver in the kernel or a module?
[3:26] <ReggieUK> try root=0x0801
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[3:28] <Valter> Same panic
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[3:31] <ReggieUK> I guess do lsmod or sudo lsmod to see whether there are any extra modules loadeD?
[3:31] <shirro> Valter: where is your kernel from?
[3:32] <ReggieUK> then find some way to get the modules you need loaded
[3:32] <Valter> shirro: Arch ARM
[3:32] <ReggieUK> whether you can poke initrd or something I'm not sure
[3:33] <ReggieUK> or initramfs perhaps?
[3:33] <Valter> Hmm
[3:33] <shirro> My kernel is custom but I have everything I need compiled in and I thought the github one did as well now. Don't know what arch uses really
[3:33] <ReggieUK> me either
[3:33] <ReggieUK> and I haven't compile my own kernel yet
[3:34] <ReggieUK> really resisting the urge
[3:34] <shirro> does lsmod show usb-storage or sd or anything when you have the drive mounted?
[3:34] <ReggieUK> got to crosscopile
[3:34] <ReggieUK> not doing qemu
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[3:37] <aknewhope> I need my PI
[3:37] <aknewhope> :(
[3:37] <aknewhope> who else waiting?
[3:37] <rgoodwin> gents. such a dumb question. running squeeze,
[3:37] <rgoodwin> a
[3:37] <rgoodwin> nd
[3:37] <rgoodwin> try
[3:37] <rgoodwin> ing
[3:37] <rgoodwin> to play an mp3 file to the audio jack
[3:37] <GabrialDestruir> I think my brand new external hdd is dying -.-
[3:38] <rgoodwin> i tried mpg123, it says it can't find an audio output (it tries jack, alsa, others)
[3:38] <rgoodwin> any ideas?
[3:38] <aknewhope> GabrialDestruir: SSD pricing needs to come down. Would solve that.
[3:38] <trevorman> rgoodwin: try sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[3:38] <rgoodwin> ugh. i just read that
[3:39] <rgoodwin> and i read it earlier
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[3:39] <rgoodwin> trevorman: thanks
[3:39] <GabrialDestruir> It's beeping like it doesn't want to spin up properly....
[3:39] <aknewhope> A small SSD wouldn't be a bad idea for a RBP
[3:39] <rgoodwin> i can't believe i forgot it :)
[3:39] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: unplug and try again?
[3:39] <aknewhope> Not enough power
[3:39] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: my samsung external HD does that on occasion
[3:39] <trevorman> what aknewhope said
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[3:39] <aknewhope> probably
[3:39] <aknewhope> I have same problem when using one usb port
[3:40] <GabrialDestruir> It's externally powered.
[3:40] <rasp7aa> are you using ethernet?
[3:40] <aknewhope> Most drives and enclosure have external power jack or dual usb. You can get a y splitter usb cable as well.
[3:40] <aknewhope> oh ok nevermind
[3:41] <Valter> ReggieUK: I was wrong. It's recognized as /dev/sda2
[3:41] <GabrialDestruir> I'll let it cool off since it's feeling a little warm and maybe that'll fix it...
[3:41] <Valter> I'll try again
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[3:43] <Valter> ReggieUK: Now a rather large kernel panic scrolled across the screen.
[3:46] <cehteh> power glitch?
[3:47] <Valter> Maybe
[3:47] <cehteh> i had that before too .. prolly because of too small power supply, since i am using a more capable power supply now i dont see that again
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[3:47] <Valter> My PSU is the one for the HP TouchPad.
[3:47] <Valter> Rated to provide 1A
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[3:48] <cehteh> i am using my n900 one rated at 1.5A iirc
[3:48] <cehteh> ordered a 2A one now
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[3:48] <Vexxecon_> Ok ladies and gentlemen. For all parties concerned and helping: I abandoned Fedora Remix, abandoned Raspbian, and I'm now on Debian Squeeze, installing XFCE
[3:48] <cehteh> the one i started with has 850mA or so .. that was not enough
[3:49] <Vexxecon_> Thanks for all the help from you guys, you guys(and gals) rock.
[3:49] <ReggieUK> what rootfs are you using for the hdd Valter?
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[3:49] <Valter> ext4?
[3:49] <ReggieUK> and is rootfstype=4 in your cmdline.txt too?
[3:50] <ReggieUK> erm
[3:50] <Valter> Yeah
[3:50] <ReggieUK> rootfstype=ext4
[3:50] <ReggieUK> ok
[3:50] <Valter> I made an image of the SD card, burned it to the USB drive, then expanded the root partition to fill the drive.
[3:51] <Valter> Maybe the kernel isn't set up to do this.
[3:51] <Valter> Should I try using the latest kernel from the github?
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[3:53] <Valter> That didn't help
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[3:53] <Valter> It's not a power glitch, because it boots fine when the root is on the SD card.
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[3:54] <cehteh> ok
[3:56] <ReggieUK> you probably need to start the debian image normally to start off with from the SD card
[3:57] <ReggieUK> then plug in the hard drive
[3:57] <ReggieUK> then do dmesg|tail
[3:57] <ReggieUK> and see what it does
[3:57] <ReggieUK> see if it probes any drivers etc.
[3:57] <ReggieUK> you might need to set loglevel=7 in cmdline.txt
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[3:58] <Valter> ReggieUK: I'll try that tomorrow.
[3:58] <Valter> Thanks for the help
[3:58] <ReggieUK> if it probes some drivers then you'll need to either figure out whether initramfs, or initrd or whether you can configure it in cmdline.txt to get your driver for the hdd to be where it needs to be before it trys to mount
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[3:59] <Mrgoose2> I have a 8gb SD card in my PI when I do df-H it only shows about 3gb of mounts, how do i use the rest of the space?
[3:59] <Valter> That makes sense.
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[4:02] <rredd4> is the video out ntsc or pal? I am in the US
[4:02] <Mrgoose2> ntsc i assume, im in the us and video works fine
[4:02] <rredd4> all i get is a red light
[4:02] <rredd4> no green light
[4:03] <rredd4> mouse does not light up
[4:03] <Mrgoose2> maybe not enough power?
[4:03] <rredd4> just got the pi todau
[4:03] <Mrgoose2> 5v 1A?
[4:03] <rredd4> today
[4:03] <rredd4> yes
[4:03] <rredd4> brand new ps
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[4:04] <Mrgoose2> and you have a sdcard in?
[4:04] <Mrgoose2> with an image on it
[4:04] <rredd4> yes and yes
[4:04] <rredd4> no usb stuff plugged in
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[4:05] <Mrgoose2> weird
[4:05] <rredd4> or ethernet
[4:06] <ReggieUK> checked the voltage on tp1/tp2?
[4:06] <rredd4> also tried with usb, ethernet plugged in
[4:06] <rredd4> no, but i will now
[4:06] <ReggieUK> double checked there really is data on the SD card?
[4:07] <eggy> only time it does that to me, is when my sdcard isn't working
[4:07] <rredd4> 5.09 volts
[4:08] <rredd4> I can't verify sd card data
[4:08] <ReggieUK> that's plenty then
[4:08] <rredd4> since
[4:08] <ReggieUK> you should be able to
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[4:08] <ReggieUK> just plug it back into the pc
[4:08] <Mrgoose2> how did you create your image in the sdcard, also did you check that your sd card is on the "verified" working list
[4:08] <rredd4> on my mac
[4:08] <rredd4> i followed the instructions
[4:09] <rredd4> i will disconnect the sd card, will it still go green?
[4:09] <ReggieUK> oh, so you can't read fat on the mac?
[4:09] <ReggieUK> you should remove power if you're going to take the sd card out
[4:09] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, it appears it was overheating.
[4:09] <rredd4> when i plug it in it to the mac, it does not read it
[4:09] <ReggieUK> :/
[4:09] <rredd4> what was overheating?
[4:10] <GabrialDestruir> My external HDD. lol
[4:10] <ReggieUK> have you been using it as the rootfs for your pi?
[4:10] <DaQatz> I do the same
[4:10] <rredd4> debian
[4:11] <rredd4> still the same after sd card removed
[4:11] <rredd4> only red light
[4:11] <ReggieUK> ?
[4:11] <rredd4> just power connected, nothing else
[4:11] <ReggieUK> you should've powered off the pi before you took the card out
[4:11] <rredd4> debian squeeze
[4:11] <rredd4> i did
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[4:12] <rredd4> i am an electronic tech? i know about that stuff!
[4:12] <eggy> Hm - do you have a linux machine (VM) to check the rootfs?
[4:12] <rredd4> yes
[4:12] <eggy> could do that
[4:13] <GabrialDestruir> No, just been using it to store all my movies/music.
[4:13] <rredd4> should i get a green light with just the power connected and nothing else?
[4:13] <GabrialDestruir> But it's just so hot in my room that the drive wasn't happy.
[4:13] <eggy> no. Only a red led will light if you have only power connected
[4:13] <rredd4> ok, eggy ty
[4:13] <rredd4> i will check the rootfs
[4:14] <ReggieUK> you should in theory be able to read fat/fat32 on a mac
[4:14] <rredd4> how do i do that any way in linux
[4:14] <rredd4> its arm
[4:14] <eggy> that's true, but Mac OS is kinda silly.
[4:14] <eggy> You can still mount the ext4 partions in linux, eventhough the binary files are for another arch
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[4:15] <ReggieUK> you can mount the fat partition too
[4:15] <ReggieUK> in linux
[4:15] <ReggieUK> in fact, if it's ubuntu, debian etc. it should automount
[4:15] <eggy> if its ubuntu, it should automaticly mount all of them on the sd
[4:15] <eggy> yep
[4:15] <rredd4> yes ubuntu
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[4:16] <rredd4> turning on ubuntu now
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[4:18] <rredd4> dinner is ready, it will be a little bit...
[4:19] <cehteh> kernel building, that will be a little bit :)
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[4:23] <eggy> I actually want to build the kenrel for the RPi at somepoint
[4:23] <eggy> might have to -- to get some needed modules
[4:23] <cehteh> uhm .. break .. rinse .. repeat
[4:23] <eggy> Yep, that's how it goes usually =)
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[4:24] <cehteh> need to reboot for more memory (other start.elf) and forgot ccache in the Makefile
[4:24] <eggy> oh, you build on the RPi iteslf
[4:24] <cehteh> yes for fun and confidence :)
[4:24] <eggy> I was thinking I'd likely cross-compile mine
[4:24] <eggy> but that's more complicated
[4:25] <cehteh> its 4:23am here i can start it and look tomorrow
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[4:44] <rredd4> guess i will have to reload to os, not showing up in linux mint on my pc
[4:46] <rredd4> are these instructions ok to use? http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Copying_an_image_to_the_SD_Card_in_Mac_OSx
[4:48] <cehteh> echo 3600 >/proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode ... fun :)
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[4:50] <cehteh> rredd4: just 'dd' is what matters
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[4:50] <rredd4> ok
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[4:50] <cehteh> well you need to figure out the right devices
[4:50] <cehteh> otherwise you may trash some other data
[4:51] <cehteh> double check (i dont use a mac)
[4:51] <cehteh> but same counts on linux as well
[4:51] <rredd4> ok, downloading debian squeeze, using a pc now with linux mint
[4:51] <netman87> nah its easy to know right device
[4:52] <netman87> just tell "mount" and see which device is your automounted memorycard :)
[4:52] <cehteh> yes but some people have dump fingers and hasty pinkys on the enter key :)
[4:52] <netman87> atleast on all linux i have used
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[4:53] <jaebird> looks like I'm having trouble with multiple pl2303 usb to serial adapters
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[4:53] <jaebird> i'm using a dlink 7 port hub
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[4:53] <cehteh> mhm
[4:53] <cehteh> i have some usb to serial adapter but didnt tested it yet
[4:53] <jaebird> when I try to open more than 2, the third fails
[4:54] <cehteh> should have done that before building the kernel .. maybe its missing :P
[4:54] <netman87> this good? http://www.dealextreme.com/p/precision-screw-drivers-toolkit-for-electronics-diy-45-piece-set-36203
[4:54] <jaebird> lsusb reports ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port
[4:55] <cehteh> powered hub?
[4:55] <rredd4> any usa mirors to download squeeze?
[4:55] <jaebird> yes dlink dub-h7
[4:55] <cehteh> didnt you used bittorrent?
[4:55] <cehteh> was here in no time :)
[4:55] <rredd4> not set up for torrent yet
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[4:56] <jaebird> same hub device configuration works on my ubu desktop
[4:56] <cehteh> no idea then
[4:56] <netman87> rredd4: network install ~60MB
[4:57] <rredd4> how?
[4:57] <netman87> oh but im not sure how well that would work
[4:57] <netman87> didnt remeber which channel this is
[4:57] <rredd4> lol
[4:58] <rredd4> didn't know u could netinstall debian squeeze
[4:58] <netman87> but qemu -> arm & hda = /dev/memorycard -> debian network install
[4:58] <rredd4> i am a third of the way downloaded now
[4:59] <netman87> but have used it only on i386 and amd64
[4:59] <jaebird> dmesg: pl2303_open - failed submitting interrupt urb, error -4008
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[5:02] <Mrgoose2> i'm using my raspberry pi as a mpd box
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[5:07] <rredd4> is a Kingston SD card 16Gb ok to use?
[5:10] <nicdev_> i am using 32", how do i can i resize the debian desktop to fill the screen?
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[5:12] <Mrgoose2> rredd4: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_SD_Cards
[5:18] <Mrkva> damn
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[5:18] <Mrkva> my rpi is sadly blinking on my desk... yet I have to mess with that f... enterprise java
[5:18] <dirty_d> oh balls
[5:18] <rredd4> Mrgoose2 ty, its on the list!
[5:19] <dirty_d> im having badly studdering video with omxplayer and mkv + dts
[5:19] <dirty_d> if i disable sound, all is well
[5:20] <dirty_d> is there anything to do besides reencode to some other sound format?
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[5:25] <Mrgoose2> how do you control the audio ?
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[5:25] <Mrgoose2> in debian
[5:25] <Mrgoose2> there is no alsa mixer
[5:27] <shirro> install the alsa-utils package
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[5:27] <shirro> The volume doesn't work properly for me so I just use the volume control on the speaker amp
[5:28] <Mrgoose2> is there a mixer?
[5:30] <shirro> alsamixer says there is but the volume doesn't work in any sane way for me
[5:31] <shirro> and since the alsa driver is buggy as and the mixer doesn't change omxplayer output I just use the physical volume knob
[5:31] <Mrgoose2> pi@raspberrypi:~$ alsamixer
[5:31] <Mrgoose2> -bash: alsamixer: command not found
[5:31] <Mrgoose2> i get that, does that mean i dont have audio working?
[5:31] <shirro> sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[5:33] <shirro> You will need the sound driver loaded. If you type lsmod you should have snd_bcm2835 in there. If not you need to sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[5:33] <shirro> Don't expect much from the sound driver
[5:35] <Mrgoose2> it wasn't loaded
[5:35] <Mrgoose2> do i have to modprobe that everytime i restart?
[5:35] <shirro> no.just put snd_bcm2835 in /etc/modules
[5:38] <shirro> though after you have used the sound driver once you probably won't want to use it again
[5:38] <Mrgoose2> ha
[5:38] <Mrgoose2> well I mean you have to use something to get sound right?
[5:39] <shirro> for games and stuff it is the only choice yes. Or a usb sound card perhaps. For other media there is xbmc or omxplayer
[5:40] <Mrgoose2> wait im confused. Wouldnt xbmc use the same sound driver?
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[5:40] <shirro> Nope. They use openmax
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[5:42] <Mrgoose2> hmm
[5:42] <Mrgoose2> could i use that with MPD?
[5:42] <rredd4> do i sudo the dd command?
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[5:44] <shirro> Mrgoose2: nope. openmax il is tricky. eventually there should be support in gstreamer and vlc. (I have compiled gstreamer support but can't get it working). mpd may just work ok with the alsa sound driver. It depends on the program and how they work with alsa. some things work ok. some don't
[5:44] <rredd4> i figured it out, yes to sudo
[5:44] <Mrgoose2> shirro: ah, i just want to play music out
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[5:44] <Mrgoose2> i have an amp that it will be going into
[5:45] <shirro> try it and see. reports differ on how well it works. I think bits of alsa are not implememented in the driver. If your app uses the right bits you might be ok
[5:46] <Mrgoose2> ah, this doesn't sound too hopeful lol
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[5:46] <shirro> the headphone sound is really ordinary. you will want to grab the sound from hdmi via a tv or something for quality
[5:47] <Mrgoose2> hmm
[5:47] <Mrgoose2> i was planning on going audio out -> amplifier
[5:47] <shirro> driver support is a work in progress. it should improve. xbmc and omxplayer do a pretty damn good job with xvid and h264
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[5:48] <shirro> the headphone socket should do 8bit game sounds nicely. It might not live up to your standards for audio. I think fm radio quality is being a bit polite
[5:49] <Exdaix> Hi there, anyone know how on Arch to get Xorg to use vesa? I've uninstalled all drivers except vesa but it keeps trying to autoconfig and load fbdev
[5:49] <shirro> there is no vesa. this isn't a pc. you want the framebuffer
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[5:50] <shirro> the hdmi sound seems pretty good
[5:50] <dirty_d> indeed
[5:50] <dirty_d> im having problems with DTS audio
[5:50] <dirty_d> reencoding to AC3 fixes it
[5:51] <Exdaix> shirro: So are there any drivers at this point for graphics besides fbdev?
[5:51] <Mrgoose2> shirro: so i cant really use it for mpd i guess. MPD isn't gonna work with hdmi to give me audio out though
[5:51] <Exdaix> shirro: For such as running a desktop environment
[5:51] <Mrgoose2> could i use a usb sound card?
[5:51] <shirro> Exdaix: not for X. No. X is not accelerated. If you want pretty graphics that isn't where the action is
[5:52] <Mrgoose2> Creative
[5:52] <Mrgoose2> Sound Blaster Play!
[5:52] <shirro> Mrgoose2: you could try. You need to be aware of the Pi's insanely low current limit on usb devices. You will probably need a hub
[5:52] <Mrgoose2> i see that listed on the pi peripherial list
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[5:53] <Exdaix> shirro: How do you do nice video playback then within X. Or is that impossible and only through certain programs
[5:53] <dirty_d> excellent, this DTS audio problem isnt really a problem
[5:53] <dirty_d> my PC can reencode the movie to AC# at 900fps
[5:53] <dirty_d> AC3
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[5:55] <Ben64> finished my case, its silly and lego-y
[5:55] <shirro> Exdaix: the gpu can play full hd x264 and xvid using a special api. The only players that use that api at the moment are omxplayer and xbmc. Gstreamer and vlc should be able to use it in future. There is omx support for them, especially gstreamer but I can't get it working
[5:55] <Mrgoose2> shirro: so i just played a song with mpd and the audio is coming out of hdmi . Any idea how to make it use the headphone? I get no audio from it
[5:55] <Exdaix> shirro: Ok thanks for the tip
[5:56] <shirro> sudo amixer cset numid=1
[5:56] <shirro> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound
[5:56] <Mrgoose2> or rather how do i view the audio devices, so that i can set mpd to the right one
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[5:57] <Mrgoose2> i see
[5:58] <Mrgoose2> weird
[5:58] <Mrgoose2> i ran that
[5:58] <Mrgoose2> still no output
[6:01] <shirro> perhaps after you do the amixer cset run alsamixer and check the volume.
[6:01] <shirro> though the volume does insane things for me
[6:02] <Mrgoose2> ya
[6:02] <Mrgoose2> i got it
[6:02] <Mrgoose2> although the volume only has like 3 settings
[6:02] <Mrgoose2> 0 , like 35% and 100%
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[6:03] <Mrgoose2> ah man, that's some terrible quality ha
[6:03] <shirro> There is talk on the forums and places. You might have to do some research to go further. I haven't got much further with audio
[6:03] <Mrgoose2> i'll see if i can pick up one of the usb cards in the morning
[6:03] <Mrgoose2> and see if i get better luck
[6:04] <shirro> It doesn't have proper analogue sound hardware. You need a card
[6:04] <Mrgoose2> yea, usb card....
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[6:06] <shirro> just be aware of the current limiting on the usb ports. you may need a powered hub
[6:06] <Mrgoose2> ya, i have a couple of those around
[6:07] <shirro> Under 100mA will probably be ok.
[6:07] <shirro> They say 140mA or something but it seems way dodgier to me
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[6:08] <Ben64> http://2.ben64.com/rpi/case/
[6:08] <Ben64> thoughts?
[6:08] <Mrgoose2> lol
[6:08] <Mrgoose2> neat
[6:08] <shirro> love the windows and doors
[6:08] <Ben64> :D
[6:09] <DeviceZer0> ha nice
[6:09] <Ben64> its all parts i had lying around for the past ~10 years
[6:09] <Mrgoose2> what parts did you get
[6:09] <Mrgoose2> ah
[6:09] <Ben64> i would have liked it more uniformly colored
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[6:09] <shirro> Yes, it is really nice. I might raid the hand-me-down lego that my 4yo isn't putting to good use
[6:10] <Ben64> all my legos were in a box marked "FRAGILE - Legos"
[6:10] <rredd4> can i verify that the sd card debian squeeze image was loaded on the card in linux mint. when I connect the sd card, it does not mount
[6:10] <Ben64> silly young me
[6:10] <Mrgoose2> shirro: the Sound Blaster Play! is on the verified periphial list . so in theory i should just be able to plug it into a hub and it will work
[6:10] <shirro> I like the hinges. I don't have them. My lego is very limited
[6:10] <Ben64> legos are invincible
[6:10] <rredd4> and I still get a red light on the pi
[6:10] <rredd4> only
[6:10] <DeviceZer0> I think I'm gonna need to pick up some legos
[6:11] <Ben64> the pi board itself fits perfectly within the lego grid
[6:11] <Ben64> the ports ... not so much
[6:11] <shirro> red light only is likely an image problem. usually people just image again
[6:12] <rredd4> shirro this is the 2nd time for the image on the sd card
[6:12] <rredd4> I will try again?.
[6:12] <shirro> I might put mine on a lego railway carriage
[6:12] <Mrgoose2> rredd4: possibly try a different type of sd cad
[6:12] <Mrgoose2> i can link you to the one that worked for me
[6:12] <Ben64> i saw a design on the r-pi forum of a racecar
[6:12] <Ben64> looks awesome
[6:12] <shirro> I have lego compatible doctor who figures I can stick on top
[6:12] <Ben64> you have lego doctor?
[6:12] <Ben64> where?
[6:13] <rredd4> Mrgoose2 the sd card is in the supported list
[6:13] <shirro> A dalek at one end and doctor 11 and amy at the other
[6:13] <Ben64> rredd4: what are you using to put the image on the card?
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[6:13] <Ben64> shirro: sounds awesome
[6:14] <shirro> http://www.characterbuilding.eu/dr-who/micro-figures/
[6:14] <rredd4> linux on a pc sudo dd bs=1M if=~/debian6-19-04-2012/debian6-19-04-2012.img of=/dev/sdd
[6:14] <Ben64> shirro: buy a bunch of blue legos, make tardis case for pi
[6:14] <rredd4> without the ~ and using sdb1
[6:15] <shirro> I have a little blue tardis I made with my son already. I am a bit short on blue bricks though
[6:15] <rredd4> i am in the download folder when I do this command and sha1sum is correct
[6:15] <Ben64> what size is the SD
[6:15] <rredd4> 16gb
[6:15] <Ben64> did you resize the root partition
[6:15] <rredd4> nope
[6:15] <shirro> I think it is funny that Eben couldn't get BBC endorsement for a BBC Micro Pi. He should have asked for Doctor Who branding. You can get that on anything.
[6:16] <rredd4> followed the "Easy SD Card Setup" directions
[6:17] <rredd4> for linux command line
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[6:17] <Ben64> use fdisk or something to make sure the partitions exist on the card
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[6:21] <rredd4> fdisk -l
[6:21] <rredd4> ?
[6:21] <rredd4> says system W98 fat32
[6:21] <rredd4> W95
[6:23] <D34TH> close enough
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[6:26] <Mrgoose2> shirro: can I assume the kernel is already configured for usb sound support?
[6:27] <rredd4> I see w95 fat32 (LBA) and Linux and Linux swap / Solaris when I do fdisk -l /dev/sdb1
[6:28] <Mrgoose2> sounds right
[6:28] <rredd4> don't know why I get a red light only then
[6:29] <Mrgoose2> i would say try a different card. I had a sandisk card that was on the list
[6:29] <Mrgoose2> and it didnt owrk
[6:29] <rredd4> ok, hope I don't have to spend to much $$...
[6:29] <Mrgoose2> heh i can link you to the exact one i got
[6:29] <Mrgoose2> are you in the states?
[6:30] <rredd4> yes
[6:30] <rredd4> oregon
[6:30] <D34TH> oh wow, the US census now has an api
[6:31] <Mrgoose2> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/SanDisk+-+Mobile+Ultra+8GB+microSDHC+Class+6+Memory+Card/4088965.p?id=1218454592088&skuId=4088965&st=sandisk%208gb%20class%206&cp=1&lp=1 , that's the exact one i have. Although it was like $12.99 in the store
[6:31] <Mrgoose2> so should be on sale at your store too
[6:31] <rredd4> ok
[6:32] <rredd4> that one is listed at 24.99 Mrgoose2
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[6:38] <beardface> working on a new case
[6:39] <beardface> loving it so far
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[6:40] <beardface> case back: with holes for gpio wiring
[6:40] <beardface> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/846109/3d/new_case/20120606_232701.jpg
[6:40] <beardface> Case front: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/846109/3d/new_case/20120606_232637.jpg
[6:41] <beardface> the top of the case (printing now) has a mount for a 50mm fan
[6:41] <Mrgoose2> nice what are you makint it out of
[6:41] <beardface> PLA plastic on my 3d printer
[6:41] <Mrgoose2> ah, i wish i had one
[6:41] <Mrgoose2> how much did it costyou
[6:41] <beardface> here is my printer live, making the case: http://3d.hawkorn.com/
[6:41] <beardface> kind of crappy video
[6:41] <beardface> i put about 400 initially into it
[6:41] <beardface> have upgraded it to about 600
[6:41] <beardface> i have 1 other functioning printer
[6:41] <beardface> cost me around 500
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[6:47] <Mrgoose2> ah nice
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[6:49] <Mrgoose2> sooo, I found a usb audio card. I plugged it into the pi and it gets detected by alsamixer, and dmesg
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[6:49] <Mrgoose2> how do i make the audio play out through it though
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[6:58] <shirro> http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Configuration http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc
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[7:18] <kghost> Need hlep, my pi can't boot, red led on, nothing works
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[7:20] <kghost> it managed to boot only once, but after that, no luck
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[7:21] <Mrgoose2> kghost: usually means bad image
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[7:22] <kghost> but it managed to boot once
[7:22] <hotwings> corrupted sd?
[7:22] <the_cuckoo> kghost: mine sometimes takes a few attempts to boot - othertimes it comes up straight away
[7:23] <the_cuckoo> light comes on, but nothing else happens
[7:23] <kghost> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=6822 same as this thread
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[7:28] <Xark> kghost: Hiow many SD cards have you tried? Since the "BIOS" is on the SD card, it is dead as a brick if it has trouble reading the SD (of course it could be anything...).
[7:29] <the_cuckoo> kghost: can you try with the analogue video?
[7:29] <the_cuckoo> instead of hdmi
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[7:49] <neofutur> grrr Rs send me a hdmi cable instead of the RCA composite video cable for Raspberry Pi
[7:49] <neofutur> i cant use my pi ;(
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[7:53] <Mrgoose2> didnt know there was a rca composite
[7:54] <gordonDrogon> 'morning.
[7:55] <Sakyl> good morning
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[7:55] <kghost> I didn't connect the video output
[7:55] <Sakyl> don't you need a converterbox for that?
[7:57] <kghost> the_cuckoo: only sdcard/power connected, red led on, nothing changed
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[8:00] <jaxdahl2> kghost, how are you powering it?
[8:00] <Mrgoose2> 5v 1a ?
[8:01] <kghost> 5V 2A touchpad usb power
[8:01] <jaxdahl2> do you have a multimeter handy?
[8:02] <kghost> I can borrow one
[8:02] <Sakyl> I read somewhere that should be 5v and 700mA
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[8:02] <jaxdahl2> higher current is fine
[8:02] <jaxdahl2> it will only draw as much as it will use
[8:03] <Sakyl> Oh -.- I ordered extra a new one, because all my others have a higher current...
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[8:05] <gordonDrogon> the current output of the PSU doesn't have a max. rating
[8:05] <gordonDrogon> ie. a 2A psu will work just fine.
[8:05] <gordonDrogon> as long as it's at least 700mA.
[8:05] <gordonDrogon> The Pi will only draw as much current as it needs.
[8:05] <jaxdahl2> kghost, inspect the SD card connections, anything look broken?
[8:06] <jaxdahl2> contacts.
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[8:06] <neofutur> np its ok
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[8:07] <jaxdahl2> if you can find a multimeter, i'd test TP1 and TP2
[8:07] <neofutur> i have my pi running on gentoo on my tv display
[8:07] <neofutur> ;)
[8:07] <neofutur> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/rca-phono-cable-assemblies/0410905/
[8:08] <neofutur> + http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/rca-phono-cable-assemblies/7424579/
[8:08] <neofutur> works great
[8:08] <Sakyl> neofutur : do you have a tutorial for getting gentoo runnig on the pi?
[8:09] <neofutur> hum i mean http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/rca-phono-cable-assemblies/0410905/
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[8:09] <neofutur> no need of a tutorial, just dump the gentoo image :
[8:10] <jaxdahl2> what's between HDMI and ethernet?
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[8:10] <neofutur> http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f15-Gentoo-Linux.html
[8:10] <jaxdahl2> how do you do multiple images on one card?
[8:10] <neofutur> i tested the image without X for now
[8:10] <neofutur> cause i have a 4 Gb sd card only now
[8:11] <neofutur> but pretty sure the other image with x will also work
[8:11] <neofutur> jaxdahl2: also we made a #rpi-gentoo channel , feel free to join
[8:11] <neofutur> we ll try to make a smaller image
[8:11] <neofutur> 3.8 Gb for a tet only gentoo is mad ;)
[8:11] <neofutur> but a good , working, beginning ;)
[8:12] <neofutur> s/tet/text
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[8:13] <jaxdahl2> what is going to go between the HDMI and ethernet jacks? i forgot
[8:14] <neofutur> jaxdahl2: HDMI is for display, ethernet if for network
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[8:14] <neofutur> ( afaik )
[8:14] <jaxdahl2> that was not my question and did not answer it in any way
[8:15] <r00t|home> neofutur: he did not ask how to connect them, but what's between them on the pcb...?
[8:15] <r00t|home> jaxdahl2: camera -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Raspberrypi_pcb_overview_v03.svg
[8:16] <jaxdahl2> ah yes , thank you
[8:17] <r00t|home> also, there are video-over-cat5 interfaces, or, more correctly, IP KVMs with ethernet, so that might be the answer ;)
[8:19] <GabrialDestruir> One of the little handles for the CSI gets in the way of legos...
[8:19] <GabrialDestruir> It needs to be sanded down or something.
[8:19] <Sakyl> ty neofutur and jaxdahl2, I ordered a new SD Card (8GB Class 6) yesterday on EBay. wanted to try to get gentoo running on it
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[8:21] <jaxdahl2> how do the CSI/DSI connectors work? you pull the black tab up, tilt it to the side, put a ribbon in and lock it back into place?
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[8:21] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine so, yes.
[8:23] <kghost> is there any suggest DSI screen ?
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[8:26] <neofutur> i found http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2476
[8:26] <neofutur> for dsi screens
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[8:30] <Scepterr> anybody having issues with kb layout ?
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[8:31] <mpthompson> Is there a forum thread where people are capturing issues around USB hubs and the Raspberry Pi?
[8:32] <GabrialDestruir> You mean like the current going up the lines into the USB ports and such?
[8:32] <GabrialDestruir> I don't know.
[8:33] <Scepterr> ive been using this for reference http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
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[8:34] <Sakyl> did anyone the Alfa AWUS036H (with RTL8781L chipset) up and running?
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> Scepterr whats the issue?
[8:35] <Scepterr> key map is off
[8:35] <Scepterr> get # for \
[8:35] <Scepterr> which is a bitch when trying to update lol
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> are you in the US?
[8:35] <Habbie> Scepterr, apt-get install console-common; install-keymap us
[8:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Scepterr, pg13
[8:36] <Sakyl> Scepterr : just try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" (without the "")
[8:36] <gordonDrogon> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration should just be enough.
[8:36] <Habbie> or that
[8:36] <Scepterr> ShiftPlusOne think that falls under pg13 :)
[8:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Scepterr, no
[8:37] <gordonDrogon> feels like breakfast time.
[8:38] <Habbie> feels like second breakfast time
[8:38] <Sakyl> it is breakfast time (actually 8:36 am here).
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[8:40] <Habbie> 8:38am here, now
[8:40] <Scepterr> all good with updated keymap
[8:40] <Scepterr> thanks guys
[8:41] <Habbie> ShiftPlusOne, it turns out the b-word is often allowed under pg13. better rate this channel down some more
[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> shh
[8:42] <Habbie> i was actually curious so i set out to find out ;)
[8:46] <Scepterr> i didnt wanna argue :)
[8:46] <Habbie> Scepterr, that's good :)
[8:46] <Scepterr> anybody aware of any cm porting effort ?
[8:47] <Scepterr> cyanogenmod*
[8:47] <RaYmAn> I know Hexxeh put in a bit of work towards one and I've been planning to start one as well
[8:47] <RaYmAn> but it's kind of pointless :P
[8:47] <Scepterr> cm is never pointless :)
[8:47] <RaYmAn> Only CM7 will really run in any usable way
[8:48] <RaYmAn> and CM7 isn't that great without a touchscreen
[8:48] <Scepterr> yah 256mb ram is super tight for ics
[8:48] <Scepterr> cm7 has mouse/pointer support though
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[8:49] <RaYmAn> I'd think it should be fairly easy, mostly accounting to the lack of any proper hardware accel for UI
[8:50] <Scepterr> check what props are available/needed ?
[8:50] <RaYmAn> there are no android props available
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[8:53] <Scepterr> anybody getting repeated keystrokes ?
[8:53] <Habbie> hasn't happened to me
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[8:54] <steveccc> scepterr: i have been this morning - presumed it was the old keyboard I was using. does it take ages to allow the keyboard to be used also and no caps lock light?
[8:55] <Scepterr> im using wireless kbs
[8:55] <Scepterr> logitech k700, mk710
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[9:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Scepterr, very common problem, yup.
[9:03] <steveccc> can anyone tell me the keystroak to pull up a terminal in debian please
[9:04] <steveccc> shiftplusone: are these hardware problems or software things which will be fixed in future downloads?
[9:04] <ShiftPlusOne> steveccc, I am pretty sure it's a lack of current issue which can be fixed by using a good hub. I am only 80% sure though.
[9:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I have got everything I need to do some proper testing to see what's going on, but a bit busy right now.
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[9:15] <steveccc> can anyone tell me the keyboard shortcut for a terminal in debian
[9:16] <frankivo> alt+f2 ?
[9:16] <frankivo> you can start anything you want then
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[9:38] <steveccc> how do you recognise a "good" powered usb hub instead of a bad one?
[9:38] <joukio> with a multimeter I guess
[9:39] <joukio> and a look at the power adapter and used usb chipset
[9:39] <hotwings> what do you mean by good?
[9:39] <hotwings> just in general?
[9:39] <hotwings> or something specific
[9:39] <joukio> :)
[9:39] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd define good as a hub that doesn't just draw all the current from the usb port it's attached to. >=/
[9:39] <steveccc> i ask as people have said you need a good usb hub but looking on ebay and amazon I am unsure what is good as they are mostly all powered
[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I am looking at you, Targus and Belkin! >=/
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[9:40] <steveccc> shiftplusone: so even if they are powered they do that?
[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Some seem to, but I haven't tested properly yet.
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[9:42] <jvd_> I am using belkin USB hub to power up my rpi
[9:42] <jvd_> http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=159070
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[9:58] <kghost> my belkin USB hub just arrived this morning
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, get a powered hub then :)
[9:58] <kghost> but my pi is broken :(
[9:59] <kghost> the power supply shipped with belkin USB hub is only 0.5A, I'm finding some replacement
[9:59] <GabrialDestruir> Fried Pi into for a Power Supply?
[9:59] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[9:59] <GabrialDestruir> in time*
[9:59] <steveccc> gordondrogon: i am - that was my question - have seen people say get a good powered hub not a bad one but I was asking for the definition of good when browsing amazon and ebay and cant use a multimeter
[10:00] <Orb> You really shouldn't make pie in a frying pan.
[10:00] <kghost> http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2-0-7-Port-F4U022v/dp/B005A0B3FQ this is mine
[10:00] <GabrialDestruir> If it's cheap, it probably shouldn't be used.
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, hard to say though - I got what I thought was a cheap one in PCW and it's turned out to be OK.
[10:00] <ShiftPlusOne> steveccc, trial and error, unfortunatly. You could check the verified peripherals list http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Hubs
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, it's a LOGIK one.
[10:01] <chnops> my RPi was pretty cheap
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> came with a 2A PSU.
[10:02] <jvd_> my belkin is with 2.5A PSU
[10:02] <kghost> rechecked it is 2.5A
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/logik-lp4hub10-4-port-powered-usb-hub-04979038-pdt.html
[10:02] <kghost> 0.5A is DC
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> I'm not a big fan of PCW, but they were there at the time.
[10:03] <kghost> I mean AC :)
[10:03] <jvd_> yep =)
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> 0.5A (ac) at 230 volts is 115 watts! I'd be really surprised if it drew that for a 5V PSU - stupidly innefficient if it did.
[10:04] <GabrialDestruir> Pitastic!
[10:04] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[10:04] <kghost> AC 100~240V 0.5A DC 5V 2.5A
[10:04] <ShiftPlusOne> A good example of a bad hub http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvYnt7HvoL0
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[10:08] <GabrialDestruir> Wow....
[10:09] <GabrialDestruir> that's not even worth the money to manufacture it really. xD
[10:09] <MaZ-> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberrypi/comments/uoz5x/waited_for_months_to_get_my_pi_and_it_breaks_the/ guys my raspberry pi was broken on arrival (after i dropped it on the floor) O_o
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[10:10] <chnops> MaZ-, :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
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[10:10] <GabrialDestruir> How could you?!?!?
[10:10] <ShiftPlusOne> lol "i was also pretty pissed when I found out that the pi wouldn't work after being dropped in my blender."
[10:10] <GabrialDestruir> That Pi could of gone to good use!
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[10:11] <chnops> MaZ-, if this happened to me I would take it as an opportunity to get the hang of soldering stuff :D
[10:11] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course there is no reason the guy shouldn't be able to fix it.
[10:11] <MaZ-> TIL: exposed circuit boards dont take well to being dropped on the floor
[10:11] <MaZ-> yeah chnops - assuming he doesnt drop it again while soldering ;)
[10:12] <chnops> or drop the soldering iron and burn down the house
[10:12] <chnops> then blaming it on the rpi of course
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[10:12] <ShiftPlusOne> to be fair, that slot is as cheap as they get.
[10:12] <GabrialDestruir> "My Pi burned down my house! (Because I forgot to turn off the soldering iron when I was done"
[10:13] <hotwings> my rpi doesnt work (after i dropped it in my cereal this morning)
[10:13] <GabrialDestruir> The slot doesn't seem that cheap to me... then again I'm using mine in a case too.
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> "I Blame Eben & Liz - it's their fault!" ...
[10:14] <MaZ-> im using mine without a case, but i didnt drop it
[10:14] <GabrialDestruir> Which leads to the question where you were playing with your plugged in Pi over cereal :p
[10:14] <MaZ-> so the sd slot is fine
[10:14] <MaZ-> :>
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[10:15] <GabrialDestruir> You'd think with the chinese ability to produce ANYTHING
[10:15] <GabrialDestruir> They would have a way to create high quality knock offs for cheap.
[10:16] <rm> MK802?
[10:16] <RaYmAn> the mk802 only really competes with rpi on a very specific subset of uses :P
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[10:17] <ShiftPlusOne> might have been good if it wasn't android
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[10:17] <ShiftPlusOne> or can you just run normal linux on it too?
[10:17] <RaYmAn> sure
[10:17] <rm> there will be ways to install a generic distro
[10:17] <GabrialDestruir> That actually looks pretty sweet.
[10:17] <RaYmAn> I'm not sure how well the graphics drivers work on regular linux yet though
[10:17] <rm> they will royally suck
[10:18] <rm> i.e. just like on the rPi today
[10:18] <GabrialDestruir> What's the difference between an HDMI Port and an HDMI connector?
[10:18] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[10:18] <rm> but later, better
[10:18] <RaYmAn> rm: well, there are a lot of allwinner devces out there
[10:18] <rm> because the Mali GPU has an actual open X driver project ongoing
[10:18] <rm> is there one for RPi yet?
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> smali?
[10:18] <RaYmAn> so there might be decent x11/opengles drivers out though :P
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> scratch that
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[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> whatever the open source version is called..... escapes my brain right now
[10:19] <rm> lima
[10:19] <GabrialDestruir> The design on the MK802 looks a lot better than that design for cotton candy too. lol
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, yeah... smali is that other android thing... I was in the right area though >.>
[10:20] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs I see the difference, female vs male, port vs connector xD
[10:20] <ShiftPlusOne> well then.... if you can use normal linux on that, then that's awesome.
[10:20] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir, yeah, I was going to slap you for asking, then got distracted.
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> right. stuff to do!
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> laters.
[10:21] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> I think I'd want a port instead of a connector.
[10:21] * plugwash hopes that the Pi will start setting a new benchmark in value for money in arm linux boards/boxes
[10:22] * Hourd seconds that ^
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> +1
[10:22] <GabrialDestruir> +2
[10:22] <shirro> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/432382/raspberrypi.jpg
[10:23] <GabrialDestruir> You went with 10 across? >.>
[10:23] <mjr> lima is the project for a free mali driver
[10:23] <GabrialDestruir> Isn't your board a bit loose at 10?
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[10:24] <Scepterr> anybody using it as a vm terminal for windows ?
[10:24] <mjr> and yeah it seems the most promising route to a freely supported 3d arm gpu
[10:24] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: I have some double bricks on one size. I wanted to leave room around the gpio for later
[10:24] <GabrialDestruir> Ah, okay then.
[10:25] <shirro> And yes it is loose. I probably will not keep it. I just wanted a BBC branded Pi
[10:25] <mjr> oops, rm actually said lima already, missed that
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[10:25] <GabrialDestruir> With my design I want with 9 so it's nice and snug, also dropped a 1x3 between the GPIO and Composite which keeps it from moving back and forth a lot.
[10:25] <GabrialDestruir> went with*
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[10:27] <GabrialDestruir> It's got some space around the GPIO, but it'd need some adjustments if I wanted it GPIO friendly.
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[10:27] <shirro> But do you have a Dalek?
[10:27] <GabrialDestruir> Sadly and disappointingly... I do not.
[10:28] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.thoughtsofthemasses.com/gabrialdestruir/2012/05/30/raspberry-pi-meets-lego-bricks/
[10:28] <GabrialDestruir> There's mine.
[10:29] <freezer> lego bricks :D
[10:29] <hughg> Nice
[10:29] <ironzorg> I would pay for this
[10:29] <GabrialDestruir> Another model I was thinking about would open up around the GPIO but keep the rest all nice and secure.
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[10:30] <ironzorg> the pics arent that great though
[10:30] <GabrialDestruir> Oh?
[10:30] <ironzorg> the angles are weird, idk
[10:31] <ironzorg> good job though, I like it
[10:31] <ironzorg> my giant box of legos is still at my parents :<
[10:31] <GabrialDestruir> I'm thinking about selling the instructions, but that'll have to wait until after I move my webhost and such.
[10:34] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: that looks nice. Better than some of the cases I have seen people selling
[10:35] <GabrialDestruir> Something like 5 bucks per set, no reason to buy lego sets and put them together and charge 20+ People can buy the instructions/part list, acquire their own legos and some people might spend just 5 others a little closer to 20 depending how they go about it.
[10:37] <shirro> I have two Daleks on there now.
[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne> strange.... using an Apple PSU causes mmc to fail.
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[10:40] <GabrialDestruir> Also by just selling the instructions I don't have to worry about supplying a certain color, or w/e xD
[10:40] <ShiftPlusOne> but would anyone buy instructions?
[10:41] <GabrialDestruir> Eh who knows.
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[10:43] <Hourd> probably
[10:43] <Hourd> people buy all sorts of stuff
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[10:44] <GabrialDestruir> Could be useful for someone who doesn't want to go through the hassle of finding the "Just right" design that keeps it all nice and snug.
[10:44] <Hourd> yeah, tried and tested
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[10:45] <dupondje> Hello! Some small question, is it possible to fit Debian or OpenELEC on a 1GB SD card ?
[10:45] <dupondje> or is it really to small ?
[10:45] <reider59> <<< Bought the AWI Robotic Arm with USB yesterday, ready to add to the Pi and program some more applications for it. Took 7 hours to build it, though I brok off for dinner and a break part way through.
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[10:45] <sraue> dupondje, for openelec its enough f you dont store much content
[10:45] <sraue> if
[10:47] <GabrialDestruir> OpenElec could fit on a 1GB, then you could use network storage for anything you want to store besides settings.
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[10:47] <dupondje> sraue: ok cool :)
[10:48] <GabrialDestruir> I still need to make a script for OpenELEC that detects my USB drive or Network shares and mounts them accordingly.
[10:48] <dupondje> any good places to get a 1GB image for OpenELEC ? or best to build myself ? :)
[10:48] <sraue> dupondje, you use a linux system?
[10:48] <dupondje> yep
[10:48] <sraue> then you can write our official images to a sdcard with a script
[10:49] <sraue> its included in our tar.bz2 files and is called "create_sdcard"
[10:49] <sraue> http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/ there are the builds
[10:49] <Hourd> reider59: nice :)
[10:49] <dupondje> great
[10:50] <dupondje> btw, MicroSD is slower then normal SD card? or simular?
[10:50] <Scepterr> depends on class
[10:50] <sraue> hmmm i use a microsd too, dont see much differences
[10:51] <Scepterr> full sd goes to higher classes than microsd
[10:51] <dupondje> any recommendations for a SD card? or doesnt it matter alot ?
[10:51] <Hourd> want to buy/make a stubby sd card adapter for microsd so that the profile of the pi is smaller
[10:51] <Scepterr> class 6/10 would be optimal
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[10:52] <GabrialDestruir> I use Class 10 MicroSDs
[10:52] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[10:52] <reider59> It's good quality, nice build but at least 16 nuts to drop into holders and they don`t hold too well, while you put other components in before putting the top of the motors on. Only other problem was the final wiring instructions are a little awkward to follow but not too bad. If the routing of the wires to the PCB were better described it would help. But a pretty good build and not too difficult.
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[10:52] <Scepterr> same here, adata 16gb
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[10:52] <Scepterr> keeping an eye out for a faster full sd on sale
[10:53] <Scepterr> ordered lego set to put some cases together :)
[10:53] * dupondje just found a 1GB microsd under a piece of crap on his desk and using that now :)
[10:53] <the_cuckoo> GabrialDestruir: your lego case is very nice indeed :) - mine is funnier though :) - all round colour blocks - the only thing is that mine has three layers and houses a powered usb hub, pico projector and has a speaker on the roof :D
[10:53] <Scepterr> ide bet thats class 2
[10:53] <the_cuckoo> will post current pics later
[10:53] <Scepterr> its gonna hurt
[10:53] <the_cuckoo> round should have been random - oh weel
[10:54] <Scepterr> set i ordered http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005VPRDD6/ref=ox_ya_os_product
[10:54] <the_cuckoo> can't type today
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, that's what's nice about Legos.
[10:54] * Hourd has ordered a 3d printer to build cases
[10:54] <Scepterr> want my cases on wheels :)
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir> You could customize the case to anything you want.
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[10:54] <Scepterr> gonna make one to mount my lcd arm
[10:55] <Scepterr> gonna use the rpi to run an outdoor display
[10:56] <GabrialDestruir> This is why I predesigned my case before buying legos, I didn't want to buy a bunch of legos and find out I didn't have all the right pieces. lol
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[10:56] <Scepterr> got everything ide need with that set
[10:56] <Scepterr> atleast for 2 rpis
[10:56] <dupondje> I ordered ModMyPi, but seems its delayed :(
[10:56] <dupondje> sad
[10:57] <Scepterr> now if only i could get another rpi :)
[10:57] <reider59> I had a paper case from a template someone in the forum made. I laminated some photo paper because I had no card to hand. Used that a week or so then pinched a card divider and cut the tab off it, printed a nice coloured version on and hand wrote the wording for the slots, then added an extra hole for the lights. The box has a raspberry on and I cut out the centres of the bits of fruit then glued some cellophane inside the li
[10:57] <frankivo> I ordered a Pi, but seems its delayed :(
[10:57] <reider59> t I cut out. Looks pretty good
[10:57] <Draylor> heh, so elaborate
[10:57] <Draylor> whats wrong with just cutting a few holes in the box it shipped in? crude but effective
[10:58] <GabrialDestruir> Really? Oh yea, I suppose I could see a case coming out of that, not sure about two, but maybe.
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[10:58] <reider59> I`ll be getting a transparent plastic one when they go on sale, someone offered to sell them for a fiver
[10:59] <GabrialDestruir> Guess it would depend on how you were designing the case.
[10:59] <reider59> Because I had a crude paper one and decided to take it a step further. I`m proud of th ePi and wanted to be proud of the case too, as well as making it myself.
[11:00] <drazyltoo> when I can be bothered, I think mine will be going into a clear plastic business card box, seems to be the ideal size
[11:00] <reider59> I bought a baccy tin for ??1 to put it in but like the case I`m after buying
[11:02] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if a Pinless lego brick would fit over the GPIO nicely.
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[11:05] <dupondje> [ 3293.970757] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
[11:05] <dupondje> joy, guess i'll better get a new SD card ;)
[11:06] <frankivo> and destroy this one :P
[11:06] <GabrialDestruir> Anywho time to go watching one piece without distraction, bbl.
[11:07] <GabrialDestruir> and by later I mean after I pass out and wake up.
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[11:14] <KrnlPanic> Can someone send me their RPi and I will send it back once mine FINALLY ARRIVES! ;P This anticipation is KILLING ME!
[11:14] <reider59> have you had a date for it yet?
[11:14] <KrnlPanic> reider59: I got an email saying it's supposed to ship mid-June
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[11:15] <dupondje> mine shipped yesterday, waiting waiting :)
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[11:16] <reider59> ahhh not too long, my initial date was mid May then it changed to end of May, week commencing May 28 and it arrived that day. May have been sooner had it been 1st Class Post
[11:16] * popey hides his two RPis ???
[11:16] <reider59> You got everything ready for its arrival?
[11:17] <reider59> <<< got a spare code if anyone needs it
[11:17] <dupondje> omg, SD card of 128GB
[11:17] <dupondje> now thats cool :)
[11:17] <reider59> might still be active, got it a few days ago
[11:17] <KrnlPanic> reider59: Nope.. :( Wasn't sure what to get, figured I'd wait till it got here.. I have a dedicated 22" HDMI monitor and a 4GB SD card.. need to get a mouse/keyboard/dongle/etc..
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[11:19] <reider59> OK, best to look at the lists, not everything works on it but sometimes you drop lucky. I bought a min keyboard/touchpad from Rii, works perfect everywhere but the touchpad is temperamental on th ePi. Luckilly I had a spare MS WiFi K/board and mouse that worked. Good to get the Debian Image on ready though.
[11:20] <KrnlPanic> reider59: I was thinking about ordering the preloaded one from element14 (I think that's where I seen it, if not maybe it was Newark...)
[11:20] <reider59> one of my SD Cards blew a gasket too, was neew but after it stopped working I noticed a gouge out of the plastic case.
[11:21] <reider59> luckilly I had 2 spares
[11:21] <reider59> The install isn`t so bad as long as you have the installers to hand
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[11:22] <reider59> Just PM me if you decide to do it some time
[11:22] <KrnlPanic> reider59: Thank you for that, I'd expect a PM or two.. ;) I have nix experience but it's all in Slackware Linux.. no Debian experience
[11:23] <reider59> I only pottered about with this stuff in the past, did most stuff on Puppy Linux so all this is new to me too. Don`t mind helping folk though
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[11:24] <reider59> I`m waiting for Puppy to get going then I`ll have that on a card too, but I want Fedora Remix when they sort it out. Maybe Fedora Remix 17 will work better. I got the faulty one working just to have a look at it, managed to get logged in and open the GUI.
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[11:26] <KrnlPanic> reider59: I would like to see Ubuntu run on it, I have used that in the past (The only GUI nix I've ever used) otherwise I would like to, somehow, get Slackware or Slax on it.. :) Haiku would be cool too...
[11:26] <reider59> Debian works well enough though and at least for me it was configured and worked with my screen size on my TV. The Fedora taskbar was below the TV window.
[11:28] <KrnlPanic> Newark.com: Expected Ship date 28 June 2012.. :/
[11:29] <reider59> I just used the Fedora Remix installer to put Debian on and that worked perfectly. Once I tried Win32 disk Imager too, as a comparison.
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[11:29] <KrnlPanic> Newark.com: Order date 16 Mar 2012
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[11:29] <reider59> Day before my Birthday, mine is June 29th lol
[11:30] <KrnlPanic> reider59: I was just going to ask you about that, can I use my WinBox to push the image to my Kingston SD Card?
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[11:32] <reider59> I downloaded and installed the Fedora Remix Installer on my Win 7 laptop as the SD card reader on the main machine is a little picky. Then got the image and unzipped. Started the installer, with the SD Card in the reader. Pointed it to the image on the desktop, picked out the SD Card to use and set it going. Doesn`t take long.
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[11:34] <KrnlPanic> reider59: Awesome stuff, thanks! I have Ubuntu in a Virtual machine, but it doesn't like to pick up my USB ports for some reason so I was hopeing I could do it on my Win7 box as well..
[11:35] <reider59> Use at least a 2 gig. If you have to resize the remaining space after the RPi arrives then I have a link to a video and a text link that describes the process. For me at least a setting a Static IP (LAN only not the internet WAN address) was beneficial also.
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[11:35] <reider59> then I set SSH and VNC
[11:36] <KrnlPanic> reider59: I think my Kingston is a 4GB.. I've had it around a while and don't quite remember..
[11:36] <ShiftPlusOne> pretty cool detailed Apple II teardown, if anyone is into that sort of thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ESDANSNqdVk
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[11:36] <reider59> Everything I`ve done so far, apart from the Robot Arm I got yesterday, I put on my RPi forum with links to all the videos I used to help me.
[11:37] <reider59> It`s mainly for people who live within say a 30 mile radius of my home town but here is the link.....http://wraspi.freeforums.org/
[11:38] <reider59> Has basically "how To" and links on there
[11:38] <KrnlPanic> reider59: Northbranch, MI?
[11:39] <reider59> Warrington, UK lol
[11:39] <KrnlPanic> oh, LOL
[11:39] <reider59> Theirs about 15-20 reported users around here so I put a few things up to help
[11:40] <reider59> Someone made a world map with flags on for people who declare they got one
[11:40] <reider59> http://rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/
[11:44] <reider59> woo hoo, my edimax WiFi adaptor just arrived for the Pi. I have an adaptor but its a little too big, wanted a button one. this one is supported better too.
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[11:46] <arfonzo> reider59: neat map
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[11:47] <Hourd> Warrington \o/
[11:48] <KrnlPanic> Sorry, at work right now so I can only pop in and out.. I've bookmarked both of those links, reider59, thank you!
[11:48] <reider59> I thought so too, think I read somewhere its just a school kid that made it. If so then I take my hat off to him. Love it when kids get invoved and learn useful stuff for themselves
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[11:48] <arfonzo> wow, impressive.
[11:48] <Hourd> reider59: its the point of the project :D
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[11:48] <reider59> np, time will soon pass. I`m going to set up this WiFi adaptor now and later play some more with the Robot Arm, need to add it to my lappy yet
[11:49] <arfonzo> People in the forums should perhaps follow this kid's example.
[11:50] <arfonzo> it seems everything I post, ends up with some lazy asking for step-by-step howtos... it's a bit disenchanting that they can't even bother to check docs and try stuff out.
[11:50] <Hourd> =[
[11:50] <reider59> thats true and I`m a coming up 53 year old kid, semi invalid, on meds for severe pain that affect the brain and kill short term memory and thought control so all of this helps to keep me active too
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[11:52] <kghost> wtf, element14 do not provide warranty, where can I get RMA
[11:52] <Xark> kghost: Mine came with a slp of paper with an RMA sticker (also E14).
[11:52] <arfonzo> reider59: good advice for all ages and all afflictions :) The brain does not thrive on laziness and step by step instructions, that's my opinion.
[11:53] <Xark> slip*
[11:53] <drazyltoo> kghost what country?
[11:53] <kghost> china
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[11:55] <reider59> Imagine reading a book and you skip a few chapters, sometimes pages and then later in the book things don`t make sense. Well thats what my brain does on the meds, it cuts out for a few minutes. Hence me documenting what I`ve done on my forum and I use it to reinstore stuff too. But its there for anyone else who makes use of it, no matter if they join or not.
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[11:57] <gordonDrogon> more cake baking today... wil it never end.... I want to play with my other Pi's! :)
[11:57] <Hourd> gordonDrogon: yummy pis?
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[11:58] <frankivo> pies?
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> today is 2 rich chocolate cakes and 2 lemon drizzle cakes. (did one last night, need 2 more)
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[12:05] <SStrife> you're making me hungry :-/
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> first task, get the coffee on for me :)
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> laters
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[12:08] <Hourd> om nom nom lemon drizzle
[12:08] <Hourd> 2 hours until lunch :(
[12:09] <Hourd> the local bakery will be getting a visit from me this lunch time
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> Sorry, Hourd but my Lemon Drizzle cake is Yum Yum, not nom nom...
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[12:20] <Hourd> lol
[12:20] <Hourd> will be nom nom if i got anywhere near it
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> Only Yums allowed in my kitchen.
[12:27] <Hourd> =[
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[12:51] <darkbasic> the pi hangs while trying to run the phoronix-test-suite, even before starting the real benchmarks :(
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[12:52] <darkbasic> it hangs while installing the dependencies or while downloading the tests
[12:52] <darkbasic> it doesn't even answer to the pings
[12:53] <darkbasic> I'd like to benchmark debian armel vs raspbian, can someone help me?
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[12:54] <zgreg> darkbasic: in short, integer performance is similar, FP is much faster
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[12:55] <darkbasic> I know, but I can't understand why I can't run pts, did someone else succedeed running it?
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[12:56] <darkbasic> can someone try a "phoronix-test-suite benchmark pts/cpu" and let me know if it hangs before starting the tests?
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[13:14] <koichirose> Hello! I just got my RPi. It is now at home and I'm connected to it via SSH. Problem: if I run something intensive like rtorrent or plowshare I get disconnected and there's no way to unstuck it if not by pulling the power cable. What could it be?
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[13:16] <oldman> Has there been any progress with the dsi connector and lcd connectivity?
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[13:19] <gordonDrogon> koichirose, hae you run rpi-update on it yet? (assuming Debian) ?
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> koichirose, otherwise you may need to edit /boot/cmdline.txt
[13:19] <koichirose> gordonDrogon: I did not. A simple apt-get update
[13:20] <koichirose> gordonDrogon: where's this rpi-update?
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> ok give this a go first though: Edit /boot/cmdline.txt and prepend smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N to the single line in it.
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> ie. put that at the start of the line, then a space then the rest of the line which probably has dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 , etc. in it.
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> and reboot.
[13:20] <koichirose> my line is now smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[13:21] <koichirose> what's that supposed to do?
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[13:22] <gordonDrogon> it puts the ethernet chip (the smsc chip) into a slightly slower mode.
[13:22] <chris_99> i've tried that and it never fixed it
[13:22] <chris_99> when i used the debug kernel though atm i haven't had it panic
[13:22] <chris_99> although i haven't tested it that much
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> It certianly worked for me.
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> There is another "fix" too for heavy duty ethernet loads:
[13:23] <chris_99> have you bittorrented though
[13:23] <chris_99> i've tried that too
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> no, but I was seeing the lock-ups on apt-get update/upgrade ...
[13:23] <chris_99> when you say lockup - do you mean full out kernel panic
[13:23] <koichirose> gordonDrogon: what's the other fix?
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> koichirose, put this: #vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288 at the top of /etc/sysctl.conf and reboot.
[13:24] <koichirose> will do :D
[13:24] <koichirose> do I have to run this?
[13:24] <koichirose> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> lockup - not a panic, just the ethernet chip timing out - it would work eventually, but I was seeing very high pings, and the occasional time-out.
[13:24] <chris_99> oh, well i've had panics
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> koichirose, at some point it will be advisable to run that.
[13:25] <chris_99> that won't work btw, #vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288
[13:25] <chris_99> as it's commented out
[13:25] <koichirose> gordonDrogon: isn't #vm??? a comment?
[13:25] <frankivo> yes
[13:25] <chris_99> you need to just change vm.min_free_kbytes
[13:25] <chris_99> to 12288
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> koichirose, yes - I just copied & pasted mine - I'm not using it - it was there, poised to use if I needed it.
[13:26] <chris_99> koichirose, are you getting kernel panics?
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo - more new toys from skpang - 2 more breadboards. I went for the clear ones this time.
[13:26] <koichirose> chris_99: how do I know that?
[13:26] <chris_99> just look at the screen, and you should see a load of text
[13:26] <koichirose> I have no keyboard/mouse/monitor plugged-in. I sometimes get disconnected from ssh
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[13:27] <chris_99> ah, plug in a monitor ;)
[13:27] <koichirose> heh ^^
[13:27] <koichirose> I will
[13:27] <koichirose> trying those fixes for now
[13:27] <chris_99> then if you get a kernel panic, do you mind checking if its the same as mine
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[13:27] <koichirose> I hope I don't get disconnected otherwise I'll have to wait till I get home tonight
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[13:27] <gordonDrogon> they've put a nice cut-out notch for the SD card :)
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[13:28] <GabrialDestruir> Someone needs to buy up a bunch of atrix laptop docks, and convert them into Pi Terminals
[13:29] <koichirose> gordonDrogon: ?
[13:29] <koichirose> are nice rpi cases out yet?
[13:29] <GabrialDestruir> Yep
[13:29] <GabrialDestruir> Lego cases :p
[13:29] <koichirose> :D
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> plenty. just search ebay.
[13:29] <koichirose> I wouldn't mind actually
[13:30] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.thoughtsofthemasses.com/gabrialdestruir/2012/05/30/raspberry-pi-meets-lego-bricks/
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-red-p-1071.html
[13:31] <GabrialDestruir> Oh not that's just cool
[13:31] <GabrialDestruir> now*
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> I just got a clear version too, and one with the big breadboard area.
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[13:32] <GabrialDestruir> When I get a brad board I want a setup like that
[13:32] <GabrialDestruir> bread*
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[13:32] <GabrialDestruir> Or maybe I'll just build a lego version >.>
[13:32] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[13:33] <ReggieUK> that 2nd link isn't a case
[13:33] <ReggieUK> it's a pi sandwich
[13:33] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[13:33] <GabrialDestruir> I know
[13:34] <ReggieUK> and seriously, what's with all the mounting posted?
[13:34] <ReggieUK> posts*
[13:34] <ReggieUK> what's wrong with hot glue and straws?
[13:34] <chris_99> hehe
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> there are no holes in the Pi board.
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> I did consider sugru, but it's expensive :)
[13:34] <ReggieUK> hotglue and straws
[13:34] <GabrialDestruir> But you could do the same things with Legos I'm sure. It'd increase the cool factor J/s
[13:34] <ReggieUK> take a look at polymorph
[13:35] <GabrialDestruir> polymorph? o.O
[13:35] <ReggieUK> I don't think lego does increase the cool factor
[13:35] <ReggieUK> unless you're 7
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> Lego is always cool.
[13:35] <GabrialDestruir> Legos increase the cool factor always
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[13:35] <gordonDrogon> back to the kitchen... laters!
[13:35] <ReggieUK> it's never cool when you tread on some pointy bricks
[13:35] <ReggieUK> but polymorh
[13:35] <ReggieUK> you get it in pellet form
[13:36] <GabrialDestruir> Wth are you doing walking on your pi? :p
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[13:36] <ReggieUK> heat to 60c, mould to shape with your fingers or whatever, wait for it to cool, custom nylon-ish parts
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[13:42] * BusError recommends a gaz-soldering iron with the hot air tip to mold polymorph
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[13:51] <deuxenun> hi there
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[13:51] <deuxenun> do you know if it's possible to host a blog with the Pi ?
[13:52] <deuxenun> a personal blog
[13:52] <arfonzo> it is
[13:52] <deuxenun> Apache is available ?
[13:52] <ironzorg> lighthttpd
[13:52] <ironzorg> lighthttpd
[13:53] <ironzorg> dont ever mention this piece of crap
[13:53] <chris_99> what's wrong with lighttpd
[13:53] <ironzorg> with apache*
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[13:55] <IT_Sean> Good morning
[13:56] <WASDx> hey IT_Sean when did you become op here?
[13:56] <WASDx> I don't remember that from a few months ago when I was active
[13:56] <IT_Sean> I've been an Op here since the channel was founded.
[13:56] <WASDx> ah ok
[13:56] <WASDx> I want my RPi :<
[13:56] <IT_Sean> As do i.
[13:56] <gmjhowe> He is just flexing his muscles so everyone keeps in line.
[13:57] <GabrialDestruir> I hijacked your Pi in the post.
[13:57] <IT_Sean> Mine?
[13:57] <GabrialDestruir> Sure?
[13:57] <IT_Sean> You dirty bugger!
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[13:57] <gmjhowe> I set fire to one of my Pi just for fun
[13:57] <GabrialDestruir> You burnt a Pi? .-.
[13:57] <GabrialDestruir> That's just cruel.
[13:57] <ReggieUK> g'morning IT_Sean
[13:58] <IT_Sean> Morning Reg.
[13:59] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose it could be worse though.
[13:59] <GabrialDestruir> rPi vs Blender
[14:00] <gmjhowe> I was tempted to photoshop together a broken Pi, just because it would make so many people upset.
[14:00] <IT_Sean> erft... don't give the "will it blend" guy any ideas. :/
[14:00] <GabrialDestruir> Someone dropped their Pi
[14:00] <GabrialDestruir> broke it
[14:00] <Ben64> someone dropped hot solder on it
[14:00] <ReggieUK> someone dropped a soldering iron on their pi
[14:00] <Ben64> oh
[14:01] <Ben64> thought it was the solder
[14:01] <gmjhowe> ack
[14:01] <GabrialDestruir> Landed on the sdcard and the whole sdcard harness just snapped off.
[14:01] <ReggieUK> don't think so
[14:01] <ReggieUK> ha
[14:01] <gmjhowe> thats not too bad
[14:01] <Ben64> anyway they threw it away
[14:01] <gmjhowe> That could be fixed.
[14:01] <Ben64> coulda maybe saved it
[14:01] <ReggieUK> I've been muttering to myself for the last few days that the sd card socket is just an accident waiting to happen
[14:01] <IT_Sean> Are you referring to DanielDaniel? He dropped a hot iron on his board, then powered it up anyway.
[14:01] <IT_Sean> FIZAPFZZL
[14:01] <gmjhowe> I was thinking of desolder my SD card slot and replacing it with MicroSD
[14:02] <ReggieUK> I was thinking of encouraging someone to make a microSd 1/2 height sd breakout
[14:02] <Ben64> sd card slot doesn't look bad
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[14:03] <GabrialDestruir> It would be nice to have something that doesn't stick out so much.
[14:03] <Ben64> yeah maybe, but its still tiny
[14:03] <GabrialDestruir> You could probably just use a half sized adapter or something if it exists.
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[14:05] <IT_Sean> that was odd
[14:05] <ReggieUK> GabrialDestruir, it doesn't
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[14:05] <ReggieUK> that's why I'm thinking of encouraging someone to make one
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[14:05] <GabrialDestruir> Someone could make one for the Pi
[14:05] <GabrialDestruir> make millions
[14:05] <Ben64> hundreds*
[14:06] <Kolin> a few quid*
[14:06] <ReggieUK> I partially dismantled a sd adapter yesterday
[14:06] <ReggieUK> there's nothing inside them at all
[14:06] <Ben64> well yeah
[14:06] <ReggieUK> just pixies
[14:06] <GabrialDestruir> idk, I think there could be a market for it.
[14:06] <Ben64> sd and microsd are exactly the same thing
[14:06] <IT_Sean> You didn't let the pixies out, did you!?
[14:06] <Ben64> theres no converting to be done
[14:07] <ReggieUK> well, no, they're not exactly the same thing but I do agree mechanically they are the same pinout :)
[14:07] <GabrialDestruir> You could easily make a few hundred bucks off it, I imagine more as the Pi became more available
[14:07] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, I didn't, I kept them well coralled
[14:07] <Kolin> GabrialDestruir: just chew the corners off the sd card
[14:08] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: they are nearly IMPOSSIBLE to put back in, though.
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[14:08] <frankivo> thats what she said
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[14:09] <ReggieUK> not if you're a pixie whisperer!
[14:09] <gmjhowe> me and my friend were thinking of desoldering the SD slot, then soldering on an adapter board with a Micro SD slot on it.
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[14:09] <Ben64> sounds dangerous
[14:09] <ReggieUK> I wonder if there's much point desoldering the sd slot
[14:09] <IT_Sean> DO IT! :p
[14:09] <ReggieUK> would make more sense to make an sd card breakout
[14:10] <ReggieUK> a micro-sd socket would easily fit on the bottom 1/2 of an sd card
[14:10] <ReggieUK> then you haven't got to worry about desoldering the sd socket
[14:10] <gmjhowe> True
[14:11] <gmjhowe> You could make an SD card shaped adapter
[14:11] <gmjhowe> But half sized out of a PCB
[14:11] <ReggieUK> that's what I'm talking about
[14:11] <ReggieUK> 1/2 height
[14:11] <gmjhowe> have the MicroSD attached for on the bottom.
[14:11] <ReggieUK> micro-sd could be attached horizontally/vertically according to the socket
[14:12] <gmjhowe> Would there be any way to get a better speed versus the adpater cards provided?
[14:12] <ReggieUK> you'd still want a little bit of overhang so that you can actually get the card out
[14:12] <ReggieUK> gmjhowe, not sure I understand the question?
[14:12] <ReggieUK> and if I do, no, I don't think it'll make any difference to speed
[14:12] <gmjhowe> Well, I was told that MicroSD in SD adapters was slowly than a standard SD
[14:12] <IT_Sean> Thats a load of [censored]
[14:13] <ReggieUK> I would say that's highly debateable
[14:13] <IT_Sean> SD / MicroSD adapters are entirely passive. they just relocate pins
[14:13] <ReggieUK> DISCUSS!!!!
[14:13] <gmjhowe> Thats what I said!
[14:13] <gmjhowe> But people were telling me there was some issue.
[14:13] <IT_Sean> i think you can safely ignore them. :p
[14:13] <ReggieUK> but unless the controllers on the cards are the same and the nand chips, how could you possibly make a comparison?
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[14:15] <ReggieUK> in fact, if they were, all things being equal, you'd expect hte microsd to be slightly faster (negligibly) because of the shorter track lengths on the data lines
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[14:15] <IT_Sean> possibly, but, that difference would be immeasurably small.
[14:15] <ReggieUK> indeed
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[14:17] <ReggieUK> maybe the sd adapters have an issue with stray capacitance that causes noise issues in some cases?
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[14:17] <IT_Sean> To my ear, that sounds like a load of [censored]
[14:17] <drazyltoo> no, its because you have to make the electrickery smaller to fit down the little wires, and squeezing it means it goes through slower
[14:18] <ReggieUK> anywho, the issues with sd cards and the pi are driver/power related
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[14:18] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, indeed, I was really clutching at straws
[14:18] <IT_Sean> Indeed. :p
[14:18] <drazyltoo> i know because i read a book once
[14:18] <drazyltoo> it had a dog called spot in it
[14:19] <ReggieUK> but having experienced stray capacitance recently and seeing the damage it does to a signal, it's not beyond the realms of possibility
[14:19] <IT_Sean> drazyltoo: you have to be careful, though. If you make the wires too fat, the electrons can pass one another, and they end up all in the wrong order.
[14:19] <nrdb> finally got my Rpi, and located a suitable USB cable to power it (at the 3rd shop). It is working now.
[14:19] <drazyltoo> oooh that must have been in the next book
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[14:25] <nemo> ReggieUK: wrt overhang
[14:26] <nemo> ReggieUK: not really. you can remove it just w/ friction
[14:26] <ReggieUK> which? the card, sure but I'm really thinking about people with cases too
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[14:26] <nemo> ReggieUK: my tablet has an external micro SD slot. inserts flush, and only way to remove is to slide it out. they reveal about a 3rd of the card
[14:27] <nemo> ReggieUK: just about idea of microsd. might not be safe, but the overhang isn't really necessary
[14:27] <nemo> if someone really thought that would save them space in some config
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[14:27] <elspuddy> hello :
[14:27] <ReggieUK> oh sure, it's just a discussion :) everything is potentially valid
[14:27] <IT_Sean> hello :
[14:28] <elspuddy> just put my pi in a case :) http://twitpic.com/9tq47a
[14:29] <frankivo> elspuddy: did it give you headeaches?
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[14:30] <elspuddy> yep, but thats becaues i got fat fingers and the nuts keeped dropping thrue :)
[14:31] <nrdb> elspuddy, nice case, where did you get it?
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[14:32] <elspuddy> ebay, ?12 inc postage, one mo il get a link for you
[14:32] <elspuddy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251072149023
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[14:33] <gmjhowe> I met the guy who makes those at the maker faire, had a table opposite me.
[14:33] <gmjhowe> Very nice gent.
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[14:35] <chris_99> maker faire?
[14:35] <gmjhowe> Derby Mini Makre Faire
[14:36] <chris_99> aha cool
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[14:37] <cehteh> hmm me self build kernel doesnt boot, so how do i check whats happened`
[14:37] <arfonzo> cehteh: is your rpi headless?
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[14:37] <drazyltoo> angle grind the chips so you can see the naught bits moving
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[14:38] <cehteh> plugged monitor in, stucks at the inital color-table screen
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[14:40] <arfonzo> cehteh: did you try to rescue boot, perhaps, to load up the old kernel to see if there were any booting messages logged with your custom kernel?
[14:40] <cehteh> ah my fault wrong image (hey i just woke up .. should rtfm more closely)
[14:41] <arfonzo> Cool. :)
[14:41] <cehteh> wrong image
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[14:42] <cehteh> new kernel has kexec .. trying that later, woulld make recovery easier
[14:42] <cehteh> bootin now
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[14:47] <nrdb> elspuddy, there doesn't seem to be any available atm.
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[14:53] <cehteh> echo 100 >/proc/sys/vm/swappiness .. lets go :)
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[14:54] <chris_99> what's that do
[14:54] <DaQatz> Slow things down
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[14:56] <cehteh> swapon -s
[14:56] <cehteh> Filename Type Size Used Priority
[14:56] <cehteh> /dev/zram0 partition 196604 12184 1
[14:56] <cehteh> \o/ ..
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[14:59] <gordonDrogon> first chocolate cake on the cooling rack 2nd about to go in :)
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[15:03] <cehteh> doing a git gc on the kernel tree and device is still responsible while using 100+MB zram as swap
[15:04] <dupondje> Class 4 should be fast enough? Or is a Class 6/10 much better ?
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[15:06] <cehteh> fast enough in the eye of the beholder, in my n900 i have a sandisk class2 card which beats quite some other brands class4 or class6 cards
[15:07] <cehteh> and class rating are about continous write performance, nothing else .. for a device like the rpi that matters least
[15:07] <mjr> in OS use, especially class 10 isn't all it's cracked up to be
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[15:07] <mjr> what he said
[15:07] <dupondje> any reviews/benchmarks of preferrend brands ? :)
[15:07] <cehteh> i buyed a class10 yesterday .. but the software has still problems to use its potential
[15:08] <dupondje> cause brand X class 4 isn't same as brand Y class 4 I guess
[15:08] <cehteh> sandisk, sanddisk, sandisk :) ...
[15:08] <cehteh> if that doesnt work then maybe samsung
[15:08] <dupondje> Kingston ?
[15:08] <cehteh> kingston is not a brand :)
[15:08] <mjr> the Pi's SD interface (with the usual kernels and default parameters) is probably a bigger problem, but that seems to be tunable to decency, keep your eyes on it
[15:08] <cehteh> there are only 2 manufacturers or so
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[15:09] <mjr> (meaning, it's pretty slow as default)
[15:09] <cehteh> kingston (trancend, crucical, corsair, ...) are just repackaged/relabled things
[15:09] <dupondje> SD4/8GB SDHC Card 8 GB Class 4
[15:09] <dupondje> only 9 fucking euro's :)
[15:10] <dupondje> Kingston
[15:10] <cehteh> and sandisk (i dont get payed by them :P) has just the best controllers when it comes to random read access
[15:10] <dupondje> yea but how you know whats the brand :)
[15:10] <cehteh> you'll regret it when your card is slow
[15:10] <cehteh> it should work with a cheap slow card as long its compatible and doesnt loose bits
[15:11] <dupondje> doesn't RS also sell Kingston ?
[15:11] <cehteh> no idea
[15:12] <chris_99> do the bits just fall out
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[15:13] <mjr> yeah, watch out for holes in the card
[15:14] <ReggieUK> dupondje, mind your language please
[15:14] <cehteh> Swap: 392184k total, 177096k used, 215088k free, 18928k cached
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[15:14] <rasp7aa> hi
[15:15] <cehteh> where can i send a feature request (or patch) about adding zram? :)
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[15:15] <ReggieUK> cehteh, santa claus, 1, the north pole.
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[15:15] <rasp7aa> email liz
[15:16] <cehteh> heh
[15:16] <Milos> What's so special about the kernel sources the rpi foundation are using?
[15:16] <chris_99> zrm?
[15:16] <cehteh> well i have it for me now, so i dont overly care, would be just a benefit for everyone
[15:16] <Milos> Does it actually contain changes?
[15:16] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: any progress with init_emmc_clock?
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[15:17] <Milos> If I take the .config file and compile a vanilla source version, will it fail?
[15:17] <ReggieUK> rasp7aa, not particularly as such
[15:17] <cehteh> Milos: /proc/config.gz ? try it .. but the raspberry pi kernel has some tweaks
[15:17] <Milos> cehteh, yeah I am curious to try.
[15:18] <cehteh> but careful this embedded chips control their voltage on their own
[15:18] <chris_99> what are the tweaks cehteh ?
[15:18] <Milos> What?
[15:18] <cehteh> some other (n900) just overheated with stock kernel because of missing patches :)
[15:18] <Milos> cehteh, voltage control should be outside the scope of the kernel?
[15:18] <Milos> I'm running mine on 1GHz lol..
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[15:18] <cehteh> chris_99: staging driver, lzop compressed swap in ram .. thats effectively a very fast memory compression
[15:19] <freezer> Milos, whats your settings?
[15:19] <cehteh> Milos: its not
[15:19] <rasp7aa> Milos: voltage control voids warranty
[15:19] <Milos> yes it is
[15:19] <Milos> so what
[15:19] <gmjhowe> I assume running it at 1ghz you need some extra cooling?
[15:19] <Milos> I hardly care :P
[15:19] <Milos> no
[15:19] <ReggieUK> cehteh, best bet would be to make a blog or a forum post, share it with the community, get critiqued, improve/ditch
[15:19] <Milos> 1GHz and 1.25V
[15:19] <gmjhowe> Or are you just running it hot?
[15:19] <Milos> I've been compiling stuff all day
[15:19] <Milos> runs fine and not hot.
[15:19] <cehteh> well maybe for the rpi, i am new here .. but for other arm based devices its a kernel option
[15:19] <chris_99> Milos, how did you get it to 1GHz?
[15:19] <Milos> 1.35V I mean *
[15:19] <Milos> not 1.25V, sincee that's stock
[15:19] <freezer> Milos, whats the value for that in config.txt
[15:19] <Milos> freezer, 6
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[15:19] <rasp7aa> cehteh: bootc has a kernal
[15:20] <Milos> kernel not kernal
[15:20] <freezer> 0 is default?
[15:20] <Milos> yes
[15:20] <chris_99> and that's all you did Milos ?
[15:20] <chris_99> just change the value
[15:20] <Milos> yes.
[15:20] <Milos> freq 1000, voltage 6
[15:20] <freezer> so 0.0133V per step?
[15:20] <Milos> 0.0015V
[15:20] <Milos> shit typo
[15:20] <Milos> 0.0025V
[15:21] <freezer> shouldn't it be 0.0166?
[15:21] <rasp7aa> freezer: It will void your warranty
[15:21] <freezer> 6x166?
[15:21] <cehteh> 995 root 20 0 460m 56m 17m R 49.6 26.2 10:42.08 git
[15:21] <Milos> 1.25V -> 1.35V
[15:21] <cehteh> device still responsible
[15:21] <freezer> = +1,25
[15:21] <freezer> +0.1
[15:22] <gmjhowe> The Pi is more hackable because it is so cheap to replace.
[15:22] <ReggieUK> Milos, mind your language please
[15:22] <Milos> Sorry yes, children present.
[15:22] <Milos> freezer, the docs say 0.25V steps, which is not right, it is 0.025V.
[15:22] <rasp7aa> we should do a poll
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> right. I have an hour between cakes ;-)
[15:23] <Milos> And I may be running it at 1.4V then.
[15:23] <rasp7aa> I don't think there are actually any children present
[15:23] <freezer> Milos, 6x0.025 = 0.125
[15:23] <freezer> eh 0.150
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[15:23] <Milos> Stock voltage is 1.25V is it?
[15:23] <freezer> so your setting would be 4?
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[15:24] <Milos> My setting is definitely 6 and I seem to be thinking that equates to 1.35V but I am willing to assume I made some incorrect caltulations here.
[15:24] <Milos> I have it at 1GHz at an overvolt of "6".
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[15:24] <Milos> The docs says 0.25V per step, which can't be right.
[15:24] <Milos> Because that would be a whole 1.5V higher.
[15:24] <freezer> can you measure the actual voltage somehow?
[15:25] <Milos> Through the chip no.
[15:25] <Milos> Through the whole thing yes.
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[15:25] <chris_99> Milos, what does cat /proc/cpuinfo show
[15:25] <Milos> BogoMIPS : 996.14
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[15:26] <freezer> i think 1ghz is probably no big deal
[15:26] <Milos> exactly
[15:26] <Milos> it's rated for 800MHz anyway
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[15:29] <cehteh> except that cpu speed is not really a problem, io and ram is
[15:29] <Milos> I could test RAM easily.
[15:29] <ReggieUK> but aren't cpu speed, io, ram and timings in general all related?
[15:30] <Milos> but I'm eating chips
[15:31] <ReggieUK> I've seen devices where the cpu speed is clocked entirely to keep the audio clock happy for 32Khz audio
[15:31] <DaQatz> oi
[15:31] <rasp7aa> io
[15:31] <Milos> what oi
[15:31] <ReggieUK> oi?
[15:31] <Milos> you talking to me?
[15:31] <cehteh> ReggieUK: i dont meant speed alone .. if the device would have 1G ram it would be vastly more capable, same with less iowaits
[15:32] <cehteh> common usage deands low latency not number crunching capabilities
[15:32] <Milos> 512 would've veen nice
[15:32] <cehteh> yesp
[15:32] <Milos> I want them to build model C for junkies
[15:32] <ReggieUK> sure but with disparate speeds for ram/cpu, don't those latencies increase?
[15:32] <cehteh> well this is a cheap device anyway
[15:32] <Milos> 1GB RAM etc
[15:32] <ReggieUK> like a misfiring cylinder on a car
[15:32] <rasp7aa> Milos: I heard that model c is going to have a cd rom drive
[15:32] <Milos> lol
[15:32] <cehteh> ReggieUK: the clocks should be syncronized yes
[15:33] <ReggieUK> ^^ 'should be' :D
[15:33] <SSilver2k2> morning all
[15:33] <SSilver2k2> morning ReggieUK
[15:33] <ReggieUK> hi SSilver2k2
[15:33] <rasp7aa> morning
[15:33] <Milos> how did you know it was morning
[15:33] -NickServ- MABot!datagutt@static.130.149.9.176.clients.your-server.de has just authenticated as you (DataBot)
[15:33] <Milos> are you spying on me
[15:33] <ReggieUK> I think you can set a prefix for the install dir when you do ./configure for advmame
[15:34] <Milos> by the way linked passwords leaked
[15:34] <ReggieUK> so that it will install them into a 'build' dir for you SSilver2k2
[15:34] <rasp7aa> it's afternoon here
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[15:34] <Milos> linkedin rather
[15:34] <ReggieUK> then from there you should be able to package up a tarball
[15:34] <Milos> a ball of hot tar
[15:35] <IT_Sean> erft. Our UK office has terrible hold music. :/
[15:35] <SSilver2k2> ReggieUK: good point
[15:35] <ReggieUK> SSilver2k2, try ./configure --help
[15:35] <ReggieUK> and look at the options
[15:35] <ReggieUK> you should see stuff for sdl there too
[15:36] <rasp7aa> virgin have always had nice hold music
[15:36] <ReggieUK> you should grab sdl-devel from somewhere
[15:36] <IT_Sean> I never understood the point of hold music.
[15:36] <ReggieUK> and see if you can get that installed
[15:36] <rasp7aa> IT_Sean: Statisticly it probably keeps a smaller percentage on hold longer
[15:36] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, because it gives you a sense that there is something on the end of the line
[15:37] <SSilver2k2> isnt sdl-devel already in the repos?
[15:37] <ReggieUK> SSilver2k2, no idea
[15:37] <SSilver2k2> i belive it is
[15:37] <ReggieUK> if it is, then you should be able to do sdl-config at the cmdline
[15:37] <SSilver2k2> i had to install it to compile advmame
[15:37] <ReggieUK> and get a response
[15:37] <ReggieUK> that's really odd
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[15:37] <ReggieUK> because I looked through your config.log and it doesn't seem to find it
[15:37] <SSilver2k2> libsdl1.2-dev
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[15:40] <megaproxy> http://flood.firetree.net/
[15:40] <frankivo> flood?
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[15:41] <megaproxy> yea, simulates sea rise
[15:41] <megaproxy> im safe for 60m!
[15:42] <amelia_> megaproxy: that's fine, but the new Minimum Flood Depth is 80m ;)
[15:43] <megaproxy> really?
[15:43] <megaproxy> oh damn
[15:43] <megaproxy> lol
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[15:43] <IT_Sean> What are you on about?
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[15:43] <rasp7aa> global warming
[15:43] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[15:43] <megaproxy> hahah
[15:43] <ReggieUK> SSilver2k2, check the config.log from your archive
[15:43] <megaproxy> http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=51.4799,-0.9939&z=1&m=60 < thats my island
[15:43] <megaproxy> :D
[15:43] <amelia_> flooooooooding!
[15:43] <ReggieUK> search for sdl
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[15:44] <megaproxy> also why is my pi not here yet!
[15:44] <megaproxy> ordered 3 weeks ago
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[15:44] <defswork> hi - I've ran rpi-update to update the firmare on my sd card (I'm getting mmc0 timeout errors) but it's hasnt resolved the errors - can I double check where the firmware images should be being placed ?
[15:44] <rasp7aa> it seems most of london is screwed with +60m
[15:45] <megaproxy> look at netherlands :P
[15:45] <frankivo> i'm in NL :(
[15:45] <defswork> should the .bin and .img files etc.. be in / ?
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[15:45] <drazyltoo> I'm good to 30m
[15:45] <drazyltoo> at 40m my island becomes a swimming pool :(
[15:46] <frankivo> im screwed at +2 :P
[15:46] <rasp7aa> although the place where I am now is safe at +60, just south of london
[15:46] <rasp7aa> But we would have turned it our own island
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[15:46] <rasp7aa> We shall call it crawley isle
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[15:47] <Dave> hello peeps!
[15:47] <steveccc> has anyone in the uk got bbc iplayer working on the pi?
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[15:48] <megaproxy> i thought rpi had no flash?
[15:48] <rasp7aa> steveccc: I tried with darkelec but it just screamed at me
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[15:48] <rasp7aa> megaproxy: There's plugins for in for xbmc
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[15:49] <megaproxy> ah ok
[15:49] <megaproxy> ic ant wait to get my pi and set up xbmc
[15:49] <steveccc> ia xbmc a complete os or just an application on top of debian?
[15:49] <rasp7aa> you will be disappointed
[15:49] <rasp7aa> steveccc: both
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[15:50] <rasp7aa> steveccc: there is a debian distro with xbmc called raspbmc, and there is also openelec, which is just essentially xbmc
[15:50] <megaproxy> ill be dissipoint?
[15:50] <megaproxy> so its not good?
[15:50] <rasp7aa> megaproxy: It's not good
[15:50] <megaproxy> crap
[15:51] <megaproxy> so what use is my rpi now : P
[15:51] <the_cuckoo> works fine for me
[15:51] <the_cuckoo> what's the issue?
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[15:51] <rasp7aa> the_cuckoo: Fine if all you've got is h264
[15:51] <the_cuckoo> (i'm using openelec btw)
[15:51] <megaproxy> isnt most HD content h264
[15:51] <megaproxy> on torrents etc.
[15:51] <the_cuckoo> i don't - i wrote my own server to generate h264 from my sat box and dvd content
[15:51] <the_cuckoo> works like a charm - live tv - woot
[15:52] <rasp7aa> megaproxy: They switched yes a couple of months ago
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[15:52] <megaproxy> i should be ok then
[15:52] <megaproxy> if not it only takes a min to download it again in a diff format :D
[15:52] <megaproxy> <3 100meg
[15:52] <the_cuckoo> it's always worth a try
[15:52] <the_cuckoo> and you can always run my server to do on the fly converts :p
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[15:54] <SSilver2k2> ReggieUK: will do when im not swamped at work lol
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[15:54] <SSilver2k2> i probably shouldnt even be in chan because its too distracting
[15:54] <mjr> one might be able to download bbc iplayer stuff with that iplayer downloader tool whatever it was (if it's still maintained)
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[15:54] <mjr> then play with whatever
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[15:55] <mjr> get_iplayer was the thing
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[15:59] <Milos> When compiling 3.4.1 I get asked for PHYS_OFFSET but I'm unsure of what value to put, however I am sure I saw it mentioned somewhere.
[15:59] <Milos> Physical address of main memory (PHYS_OFFSET) [] (NEW)
[15:59] <GibbaTheHutt> megaproxy, everything I have played on xbmc (raspmc) has played fine
[15:59] <megaproxy> sweet :D
[16:00] <GibbaTheHutt> also have iplayer and catchuptv on it working
[16:00] <rasp7aa> what is iplayer streamed in?
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[16:02] <GibbaTheHutt> not sure, I've just used the plugin
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[16:09] <Oooch> Has anyone figured out how to fix the overscan bug where it fits in the screen fine until you play a video file and then it spreads over the edges
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[16:09] <rasp7aa> Oooch: That really annoyed me
[16:10] <defswork> do I have a hope of getting my 32gb sandisk card working ? getting mmc0 timeouts
[16:10] <rasp7aa> defswork: Try leaving it 10 mins
[16:10] <GibbaTheHutt> defswork, is that on debian squeeze ver ?
[16:10] <Oooch> rasp7aa, yeah it's frustrating I don't know how to fix it :/
[16:10] <rasp7aa> Oooch: I just gave up and went back to raspbian
[16:11] <Oooch> Is raspbian any good?
[16:11] <rasp7aa> yeah
[16:11] <Oooch> I kind of want XBMC :/
[16:11] <defswork> yes deb
[16:11] <Oooch> I'm not linux savvy enough for anything more complex
[16:11] <rasp7aa> check the forums
[16:11] <cehteh> defswork: yes google for rpi-update and/or that bug message, you have to install a new firmware
[16:11] <GibbaTheHutt> defswork, there is a patch which may fix it, or you could try a diff distro/firmware
[16:11] <Oooch> The problem seems to be with XBMC itself and not raspbmc
[16:12] <defswork> is the patch in the latest firmware ?
[16:12] <rasp7aa> Yeah I got the problem with darkelec
[16:12] <GibbaTheHutt> I had probs with a sandisk and deb,but works fine with raspmc for me
[16:12] <defswork> I've installed the latest
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[16:12] <D-side> today's the day!
[16:12] <defswork> both manually and using rpi-update
[16:12] <cehteh> hmm
[16:13] <defswork> I'm not sure how to tell if the firmware is actually loading
[16:13] <cehteh> works for me (sandisk extreme 16GB)
[16:14] <D-side> anyone using raspbmc?
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[16:14] <Oooch> I am D-side
[16:14] <D-side> it is now in my hand
[16:14] <D-side> (the raspberry pi)
[16:15] <D-side> Oooch: i'm trying this RC2 image, i imagine i'm just supposed to dd it to an sd card, right?
[16:15] <koichirose> gordonDrogon: it seems I'm not getting disconnected anymore, thanks
[16:15] <Oooch> I put it on with USB Image Tool
[16:15] <D-side> there's no installer for this latest release, and its apparently
[16:15] <D-side> hm
[16:16] <Oooch> It seems pretty hit and miss depending on the SD card you're using
[16:16] <Oooch> I tried three and only one worked
[16:16] <ReggieUK> yeah, if it's a .img file you should just be able to dd if=theimage.img of=/dev/yourcard bs=1M
[16:16] <D-side> ReggieUK: yeah i'd think so too
[16:16] <D-side> so i'm trying it ;)
[16:16] <Oooch> I don't know anything about dding or linux
[16:17] <Oooch> I just did it inside windows, haha
[16:17] <ReggieUK> you should unmount any partitions from teh card first before you start DD'ing
[16:17] <D-side> brian@brian-VirtualBox:~$ file installer-testing.img
[16:17] <D-side> installer-testing.img: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xc, starthead 0, startsector 2048, 131072 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x83, starthead 3, startsector 133120, 251904 sectors, code offset 0xb8
[16:17] <D-side> ReggieUK: yeah already done
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[16:18] <ReggieUK> no idea what to suggest, can you access the partitions on the linux pc?
[16:19] <D-side> you know
[16:19] <D-side> nevermind
[16:19] <D-side> ReggieUK: everything i need to know is right there in the file output
[16:19] <D-side> partition 1, partition 2
[16:19] <D-side> damned right its an image to be dd'ed. sorry :)
[16:20] <ReggieUK> :)
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[16:20] <D-side> i didnt specify block size though. wonder if that'll bite me in the rear
[16:20] <ReggieUK> only in terms of time
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[16:21] <D-side> ReggieUK: it wont be the worst decision i've made today :)
[16:21] <ReggieUK> indeed it probably won't :)
[16:21] <Oooch> I don't even understand why I need to mess around with the image not being over the side of the monitor, I thought HDMI just kind of sorted it all out for you
[16:22] <ReggieUK> Oooch, have you checked /proc/cmdline on the pi?
[16:22] <rasp7aa> Oooch: This is linux, nothing is simple
[16:22] <ReggieUK> cat /proc/cmdline
[16:22] <ReggieUK> and see what hinky resolution your pi is actually being booted with?
[16:22] <Oooch> It's definitely not the resolution
[16:23] <ReggieUK> none of the images I've tried so far have used 1920x1080
[16:23] <Oooch> Outside of video files I don't have overscan issues
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[16:23] <ReggieUK> something close to 1920x984
[16:23] <Oooch> As soon as I play one, it starts ignoring my calibration settings
[16:23] <rasp7aa> my tv is 1680x1050, but for some reason it likes to broadcast it's capable of 1920x1080
[16:23] <rasp7aa> such a crap tv
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[16:24] <Oooch> If I could bring up the video calibration option whilst in a video it'd be fine
[16:24] <Mrgoose2> rasp7aa: did you ever get it working
[16:25] <Mrgoose2> your pi that is
[16:25] <D-side> this little thing is amazing
[16:25] <rasp7aa> Mrgoose2: the reboot thing?
[16:25] <Oooch> Yeah I'm really impressed with it
[16:25] <Mrgoose2> rasp7aa: yea
[16:25] <Mrgoose2> what are you all using your pi's for so far
[16:25] <D-side> i hvent even turned it on yet
[16:25] <Oooch> XBMC
[16:25] <Oooch> I intend to just have it set up on my main tv downstairs with a remote
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[16:26] <Mrgoose2> ah, that was my intended use but I dont think the software is quite ready for it to be my main media player
[16:26] <rasp7aa> Mrgoose2: Well shutdown -r now seems to reboot okay, but reboot still buggers it. So I just have to remember never to use "reboot" :D. I found a post with people having the same problem on the forums
[16:26] <Oooch> Mrgoose2 it's getting there but still quite buggy I agree
[16:26] <Mrgoose2> Yea its getting there
[16:26] <Oooch> If I could just fix this overscan bug
[16:26] <Billy_> I'm chatting from my Raspberry Pi. :D
[16:27] <rasp7aa> Billy_: ditto
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[16:27] <rasp7aa> Billy_: Well actually that's a lie, I'm sshing into my pi which I'm chatting from
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[16:28] <Billy_> I'm here because I need help with resolutions.
[16:28] <D-side> well i've got lit leds
[16:28] <D-side> so that's a plus
[16:28] <defswork> raspbmc boots ok without mmc0 timeouts
[16:28] <rasp7aa> D-side: The okay led does different things depending on the distro apparently
[16:28] <Billy_> I'm stuck on a weird resolution.
[16:29] <drazyltoo> Billy_ : speak to the inlaws more often?
[16:29] <rasp7aa> Billy_: sudo nano /boot/config.txt
[16:29] <drazyltoo> or not that sort of resolution
[16:29] <Billy_> I'm using HDMI.
[16:29] <D-side> rasp7aa: i was kinda hoping the OK led could be used for hd access indication
[16:29] <Oooch> God that is screwed up, the video files play OUTSIDE of the area of the XBMC interface, so you get a big box around the middle of the screen with the XBMC interface and then the video is playing inside of it and all around it too
[16:29] <rasp7aa> Billy_: and see this, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[16:29] <Billy_> Thanks.
[16:29] <rasp7aa> D-side: No idea how that could be done
[16:29] <Milos> Has anyone compiled a vanilla kernel for the rpi before?
[16:30] <rasp7aa> Billy_: You'll need to reboot for the changes in config.txt to take effect
[16:30] <Billy_> There's no config.txt at /boot/
[16:31] <rasp7aa> there is, it's just empty
[16:31] <rasp7aa> try doing sudo ls /boot
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[16:33] <D-side> well
[16:33] <D-side> it booted
[16:33] <Billy_> I used that console command, still no config.txt.
[16:33] <rasp7aa> what distro?
[16:33] <Billy_> I don't know.
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[16:33] <Billy_> I baught a preloaded card/
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[16:34] <Billy_> bought
[16:34] <rasp7aa> Billy_: have you got an sdcard reader?
[16:34] <rasp7aa> for your computer
[16:34] <Billy_> Yes.
[16:34] <Billy_> In a printer.
[16:34] <D-side> hmm.
[16:35] <D-side> mmc0: Timeout waiting for hwardware interrupt - cmd12
[16:35] <rasp7aa> connect the sdcard to your computer
[16:35] <rasp7aa> you should see a config.txt
[16:35] <Billy_> Why?
[16:35] <Billy_> Oh.
[16:35] <D-side> mmcblk0 error -110 sending stop command, original cmd response 0x900, card status 0x900
[16:35] <rasp7aa> D-side: try hitting it with a shovel
[16:35] <ReggieUK> D-side, do you have a multimeter?
[16:35] <Billy_> So I can't edit config.txt from my raspberry pi?
[16:35] <D-side> ReggieUK: at home
[16:36] <rasp7aa> Billy_: you can, and it could be there in /boot/, I don't know why you can't see it
[16:36] <ReggieUK> check the voltage across tp1/tp2 when you get home
[16:36] <Tiksi[work]> Billy_, you can, it's at /boot/config.txt
[16:36] <D-side> ReggieUK: what should it be
[16:36] <rasp7aa> Tiksi[work]: He says it isn't there :/
[16:36] <ReggieUK> if it's below 4.75v then that's probably why you're getting card issues
[16:36] <D-side> blargh.
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[16:36] <Tiksi[work]> then you can make one
[16:36] <D-side> ReggieUK: replacement board in that case?
[16:36] <ReggieUK> nope
[16:36] <Billy_> I have issue.txt and cmdline.txt.
[16:37] <Tiksi[work]> I know the deb install doesnt come with one
[16:37] <ReggieUK> replace your power supply with something better :)
[16:37] <Tiksi[work]> just make a new one
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[16:37] <rasp7aa> Billy_: Just make a new one like Tiksi[work] said
[16:37] <D-side> ugh maybe i'm an idiot
[16:37] <Billy_> Okay.
[16:37] <D-side> ReggieUK: i bought a powered usb hub yesterday for this. usb2.0, figured it'd be sufficient
[16:37] <D-side> it probably isnt
[16:37] <ReggieUK> check the rating of the psu for the usb hub
[16:38] <D-side> 5V @ 2.1A
[16:38] <rasp7aa> try booting it up with only the hdmi plugged in
[16:38] <ReggieUK> that should be enough to power the pi but it's whether the usb ports on the hub are able to supply enough voltage to the pi or not
[16:38] <ReggieUK> my 4port hub has got 0.75amp polyfuses
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[16:39] <ReggieUK> so I don't think it's really sensible to try and power the pi from it
[16:39] <D-side> usb 2.0 spec for power is above that, but
[16:39] <rasp7aa> has he got a mobile phone charger lying about?
[16:39] <D-side> who bothers with specs :|
[16:39] <D-side> well i've got an ipad charger
[16:39] <ReggieUK> usb might be spec'd for whatever
[16:39] <rasp7aa> use the ipad charger
[16:39] <D-side> i could try that.
[16:39] <ReggieUK> but those polyfuses say different
[16:39] <ReggieUK> along with polyfuses on the pi too
[16:39] <D-side> ReggieUK: yeah no argument.
[16:40] <D-side> it should be noted thatit DID boot, but just kept getting those msgs
[16:40] <ReggieUK> just try it with the pi , hdmi and an sd card plugged in
[16:41] <rasp7aa> ipad charger should work fine though
[16:41] <Billy_> I can't create gonfig.txt. Permission denied.
[16:41] <rasp7aa> Billy_: sudo
[16:41] <Billy_> config*
[16:41] <ReggieUK> and try the ipad charger :D
[16:42] <ReggieUK> sorry, missed that
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[16:42] <Oooch> Are ipad chargers even microusb?
[16:42] <ReggieUK> although I've got an iphone charger here that's 1amp and it doesn't work well with the pi
[16:42] <D-side> female usb port, i've got a microusb cable
[16:42] <rasp7aa> Oooch: you don't need the cable
[16:42] <ReggieUK> the pi can't possibly be drawing 1amp
[16:42] <Billy_> Sorry if I seem unknowledgable. I'm new to linux. But how do you use sudo?
[16:43] <rasp7aa> Oooch: They come in two parts, an ac adaptor with a usb port and standard cable
[16:43] <defswork> Billy_, sudo command_to_run
[16:43] <ReggieUK> you type the word sudo before the command you want to run
[16:43] <ReggieUK> sudo nano /boot/config.txt
[16:43] <nrdb> Billy_, sudo -i means become root
[16:43] <Billy_> Thanks.
[16:43] <D-side> okay you guys were right.
[16:43] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: The ipad chargers have 2A or something
[16:43] <defswork> how do you get to a shell in raspbmc ?
[16:43] <D-side> so, current test:
[16:44] <nrdb> Billy_, sudo <cmd> means execute cmd as root.
[16:44] <D-side> powered by usb hub, hdmi plugged in, sd card
[16:44] <D-side> nothing else
[16:44] <D-side> booted without an errors
[16:44] <rasp7aa> defswork: ctrl + alt + f1 work?
[16:44] <D-side> oh and look here comes the mmcblk0 error again. lets swap to that different power supply
[16:45] <defswork> rasp7aa, nah - none of the f-keys switch
[16:45] <D-side> difference between initial boot and just now: usb (host, not power) was plugged in
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[16:46] <Tiksi[work]> Am I the only one that hasn't had power or hardware problems? first thing I grabbed was a phone charger, it booted just fine
[16:46] <Tiksi[work]> it seems like everyone is having keyboard/power/etc issues
[16:46] <nrdb> Tiksi[work], booted mine by pluging into my laptop, worked just fine.
[16:46] <rasp7aa> Tiksi[work]: Most phone chargers would work fine, but D-side was trying to boot off a powered hub (which *should* work in theory)
[16:46] <andatche> Tiksi[work]: same here
[16:47] <D-side> well time to take this usb hub back
[16:47] <andatche> also had no problems driving wifi, usb webcam and an i2c lcd on the 5V rail at the same time
[16:47] <gmjhowe> I found a case and hub combo perfect for the Pi
[16:47] <gmjhowe> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Tardis-Port-Powered-Station/dp/B000F46CQM/ref=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&qid=1339079682&sr=8-31
[16:47] <Tiksi[work]> ah, but any powered 2.0 hub should push 700ma
[16:47] <Tiksi[work]> odd
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[16:48] <Tiksi[work]> gmjhowe, that's pretty sweet, if only it was more compact
[16:48] <D-side> thanks guys, for talking me through something i damned well should have known better about :(
[16:48] <D-side> the thanks are heartfelt, as is my shame
[16:48] <Tiksi[work]> I need to make me a case for mine still
[16:48] <rasp7aa> D-side: so the ipad charger worked?
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[16:48] <D-side> rasp7aa: 100%
[16:48] <gmjhowe> Think I may make a Pi sized tardis case on the laser cutter.
[16:49] <rasp7aa> cool
[16:49] <Billy_> The following is my new config file, is it okay?: hdmi_mode=4 hdmi_drive= 2 overscan_top=0 overscan_bottom=0
[16:49] <Tiksi[work]> that's a 3A charger iirc
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> gmjhowe: The Pitard.
[16:49] <rasp7aa> Billy_: new line for each
[16:49] <Tiksi[work]> should be able to pull a bit off that
[16:49] <Billy_> It is.
[16:49] <Billy_> It's just IRC.
[16:49] <rasp7aa> Billy_: then reboot and see if it works
[16:49] <Billy_> Okay, thanks.
[16:50] <ReggieUK> so it's working :)
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[16:50] <Tiksi[work]> I had to add hdmi_force_hotplug=1 because my tv doesnt conform to specs
[16:50] <ReggieUK> awesome
[16:50] <Tiksi[work]> so if you have issues add that too
[16:50] <Billy_> How do I save it?
[16:50] <Tiksi[work]> ctrl-O
[16:50] <rasp7aa> Billy_: one thing to note is that /boot is fat32 so if you plugged the sdcard into a computer you can edit the file again if your monitor stops woking
[16:50] <Billy_> Thanks.
[16:50] <Tiksi[work]> or just ctrl-x, y, enter
[16:51] <Tiksi[work]> is anyone currently trying to port android? I saw a couple people on the forums talking about it, but nothing more.
[16:51] <Tiksi[work]> Just wanna know if I'm gonna have to start from scratch or not :P
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[16:52] <rasp7aa> Tiksi[work]: see if you can get a forum on xda-developers
[16:53] <Tiksi[work]> I love XDA for getting things, for actual development, or any kind of discussion
[16:53] <Tiksi[work]> it kinda sucks
[16:53] <rasp7aa> yeah, but it's still the most popular place for android dev
[16:53] <Tiksi[work]> this is true
[16:54] <rasp7aa> plus it would be easier to get devs from other devices to help out
[16:54] <Tiksi[work]> Also a valid point, I just hate the people that go on with a sense of entitlement
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[16:55] <rasp7aa> meh
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[17:01] <Mrgoose2> does anyone know which lego set i need to get to make a case
[17:02] <dirty_d> is there a trick to get omxplayer to play fullscreen without it being all screwed up after the movies done?
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[17:02] <frankivo> just random lego blocks I suppose :P
[17:02] <dirty_d> ie i need to reboot because its just a black screen
[17:02] <Katey> Hi ;]
[17:02] <Guest27094> Hello folks!
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[17:02] * nrdb hi
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[17:03] <Guest27094> Any magicians here? I need some magic!
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[17:04] <Tiksi[work]> nope, I think there are some programmers and tech minded people though Guest27094
[17:04] <drazyltoo> where???
[17:04] <Guest27094> lol.. just what Im looking for.
[17:04] <IrquiM> remember - magic is just science you cannot explain
[17:04] <Katey> Hi nrdb how are you
[17:04] <drazyltoo> no, science is just magic you don't appreciate
[17:05] <IrquiM> :P
[17:05] <nrdb> Katey, how are you doing... just got my Rpi powered today.
[17:05] <Guest27094> Anyone know how I can get Xibo going? I see lots of threads on forums but no directions for a lil Windows guy (with basic Linux exp) like me,
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[17:06] * nrdb wonders what is Xibo
[17:07] <Guest27094> It's a digital signage program. Xibo.org
[17:07] <drazyltoo> what problem are you having, and is it with client or server?
[17:08] <Guest27094> Client... need to set it up.
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[17:09] <DaQatz> !channel
[17:09] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspbian #rpi-gentoo #raspberrypi-owners
[17:09] <GibbaTheHutt> Mrgoose2, I have a lego pi case here, just made out of random stuff
[17:10] <rasp7aa> #raspberrypi-owners
[17:10] <rasp7aa> does anyone use that?
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[17:10] <DaQatz> Not really
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[17:10] <DaQatz> Pretty empty there
[17:10] <Oooch> Isn't it implied in the name that you should kind of own one to be in this channel, haha
[17:11] <beardface> anyone mount a 5v fan to the 5v gpio line?
[17:11] <rasp7aa> Oooch: Nope
[17:11] <beardface> i'm building a case and going to test mount a fan on there
[17:11] <D-side> hm odd
[17:11] <rasp7aa> Oooch: This channel existed before they were available to buy
[17:11] <D-side> those mmcblk errors persist whenever there's anythign connected via usb
[17:11] <Oooch> I guess
[17:11] <D-side> but
[17:12] <rasp7aa> D-side: Use a powered hub
[17:12] <gmjhowe> Have you noticed your Pi getting warm beardface?
[17:12] <D-side> usb hub is powered
[17:12] <D-side> rasp7aa: yeah it is
[17:12] <D-side> that's why this is odd
[17:12] <nrdb> beardface, I would be worried about how much current can be supplied by the gpio lines... you probably need at least a transistor there.
[17:12] <Tiksi[work]> beardface, does it really run hot enough that it needs a fan?
[17:12] <beardface> Tiksi: yes, if you watch 1080p video all day long, it can get hot
[17:13] <rasp7aa> Active cooling isn't needed for a non-overclocked pi
[17:13] <cehteh> google for it, conclusion is that the rpi needs no cooling
[17:13] <Tiksi[work]> I'd run a split before the power supply and hook a fan off of that
[17:13] <dirty_d> anyone else have a problem with omxplayer -r?
[17:13] <Tiksi[work]> instead of drawing from the rpi
[17:13] <cehteh> i am thinking about sticking some cheap passive coolers on the chips .. just cautionous
[17:13] <gmjhowe> Rather than a fan, would a little heat sink not be plenty enough for the Pi?
[17:13] <Tiksi[work]> fans can be pretty power hungry
[17:13] <beardface> i want a micro fan on my case, b/c it will look cool. :)
[17:14] <gmjhowe> If you were going to worry about cooling it at all.
[17:14] <gmjhowe> Heh
[17:14] <cehteh> yes fans suck .. go passive if you really feel for it
[17:14] <rasp7aa> oh so this is a form over purpose thing?
[17:14] <Guest27094> so, anyone on xibo?
[17:14] <the_cuckoo> cehteh: no - they tend to blow
[17:14] <gmjhowe> I am gonna add some nice red LEDs on my Pi case, just to look nice.
[17:14] <nrdb> quite is best --- no fan if at all possible.
[17:14] <beardface> rasp7aa: mostly yes
[17:14] <cehteh> the_cuckoo: woot?
[17:14] <gmjhowe> 'Pimp My Pi'
[17:14] <the_cuckoo> cehteh: :P
[17:15] <beardface> the case i have built looks like a micro rack mount blade
[17:15] <rasp7aa> beardface: But the pi is silent! You'll be making it noisy! :(
[17:15] <cehteh> hey why is there no blue led on the led panel? :) just one
[17:15] <dirty_d> a litle heat sink glued to the cpu would be fine
[17:15] <Tiksi[work]> the_cuckoo, they suck too, on the othe side
[17:15] <dirty_d> do they make thermal glue?
[17:15] <Tiksi[work]> other*
[17:15] <nrdb> hook some leds to the gpio.... setup a light chaser.
[17:15] <beardface> rasp7aa: its like adding a loud muffler to a shitty car
[17:15] <beardface> it makes it 'faster'
[17:15] <beardface> ;)
[17:15] <rasp7aa> wtf
[17:15] <Tiksi[work]> thermal paste is practically glue
[17:15] <the_cuckoo> Tiksi[work]: true, true
[17:15] <rasp7aa> that makes no sense
[17:15] <beardface> it makes total sense
[17:15] <cehteh> dirty_d: yes some alreday come with self-adhesive thermal glue
[17:16] <rasp7aa> you don't need to pimp up your pi
[17:16] <cehteh> i pimp its software :)
[17:16] <Tiksi[work]> beardface, you have a civic with a fart can on it as your daily driver, don't you
[17:16] <beardface> lol
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[17:16] <nrdb> Tiksi[work], super glue and alluminum powder work too ... so I have been told.
[17:16] <beardface> dual fart cans
[17:17] <Tiksi[work]> nrdb, I'd be a little scared that it would flake off onto the board
[17:17] <trevorman> beardface: the 5V line is direct from the USB power input so you won't be overloading a GPIO pin but you're eating into the 700mA available
[17:17] <beardface> trevorman: thanks, that is helpful
[17:17] <beardface> I'm using a 1000mA PS anyway
[17:17] <beardface> so it'll have room to draw
[17:17] <trevorman> you only ever get 700ma
[17:17] <trevorman> the fuse on the power input is 700ma despite it saying 1.1A on the schematic
[17:17] <beardface> so its regulated before that
[17:18] <trevorman> there is a polyfuse directly after the USB power input. everything hangs off that
[17:18] <cehteh> you can shorten that fuse :P
[17:18] <Tiksi[work]> that's why I was saying I'd run it off the PS directly
[17:18] <trevorman> what Tiksi[work] said
[17:18] <Tiksi[work]> 700ma isnt all that much power to play with
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[17:18] <beardface> ah' well, i plan to set it up and i'll let you know how it works out
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[17:19] <Tiksi[work]> a fan alone can draw more than that
[17:19] <beardface> regardless of the fan, the case is solid which is good enough for me
[17:19] <ReggieUK> mind your language please guys
[17:19] <nrdb> can you monitor the CPU temp from software?
[17:19] <trevorman> nrdb: no
[17:19] <D-side> so i'm becoming less convinced this is solely a power issue
[17:19] <nrdb> trevorman, oh ... rats... it would be nice.
[17:20] <beardface> oh whoops, sorry ReggieUK
[17:20] <D-side> i'm seeing this error persist, but its not stopping normal operation i think
[17:20] * beardface gets the pepper
[17:20] <D-side> i'm going to stop worryig
[17:20] <Tiksi[work]> D-side, what's the error
[17:20] <D-side> mmcblk0: error -115 sending stop command
[17:21] <dirty_d> im running mine off a 2A usb hub
[17:21] <trevorman> beardface: you don't want to get too close to 700ma anyway. its not a good idea to run at the limit.
[17:21] <dirty_d> since i need the hub anyway, less wires
[17:21] <trevorman> D-side: you updated the bootloader?
[17:21] <Tiksi[work]> D-side, seems like a firmware issue
[17:22] <Tiksi[work]> or bad sd card
[17:22] <D-side> negative, just received the board today.
[17:22] <dirty_d> i bought a new sd card yesterday
[17:22] <D-side> is there a wiki entry on how to do this?
[17:22] <dirty_d> the thing runs at least like 5 times faster
[17:22] <cehteh> the fuses are little over cautionous .. 1.1A or even 1.5A and 250ma for the usb ports would be more useful
[17:22] <dirty_d> there were problems with the old one
[17:23] <trevorman> in unrelated matters - http://tideals.com/ has the metawatch
[17:23] <trevorman> way nicer looking than the chronos watch which is pretty ugly even for a sports watch
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[17:23] <D-side> i'm going to buy a known-working SD card
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[17:23] <trevorman> D-side: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[17:23] <dirty_d> i cant figure out how the hell to play video fullscreen with omxplayer
[17:23] <Guest27094> Too expensive for an ugly watch
[17:23] <D-side> and stop with the complaining until i've taken out all known factors
[17:23] <D-side> trevorman: thanks
[17:24] <trevorman> D-side: just replace the files from the first partition (FAT) with those
[17:24] <D-side> trevorman: excellent, thanks very much
[17:24] <trevorman> the ones that are part of the debian images are quite old and they've made several bugfixes and compatbility changes since then
[17:26] <beardface> 130ma fan... to much draw on the 700 ma?
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[17:27] <trevorman> yes
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[17:28] <dirty_d> what the hell does "omxplayer is sctipt. Look at it." mean?
[17:29] <dirty_d> script spelle wrong? or is that an acronym for something
[17:29] <trevorman> beardface: if you add USB devices then I'd expect you to get a mini brownout
[17:29] <trevorman> dirty_d: script I assume as R is next to T
[17:29] <beardface> 100 ma
[17:29] <beardface> not bad
[17:29] <beardface> trevorman: I have a powered usb hub
[17:29] <tomtiger11> Anyone here any good with cad software?
[17:30] <trevorman> beardface: *shrug* you can try it but I'd still do what Tiksi[work] said and tap the 5V line before it enters the RPi
[17:30] <freezer> i ordered the acrylic case @ ebay
[17:30] <tomtiger11> ive got a case designed, but i don't know if its got the right dimensions
[17:31] <Oooch> There's cases on ebay?
[17:31] <tomtiger11> yep
[17:31] <Oooch> Why are they half the price of the device itself lol
[17:31] <tomtiger11> the device is really cheap
[17:31] <tomtiger11> thats why
[17:31] <trevorman> make a punnet case if you want cheap :P
[17:31] <Oooch> Honestly I don't care what it looks like I just want it non-exposed
[17:32] <trevorman> punnet then
[17:32] <Oooch> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GREEN-Pi-Crust-A-laser-cut-case-to-protect-your-Raspberry-Pi-Fits-Model-A-B-/261040021938?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item3cc732a1b2#ht_1388wt_1396
[17:32] <tomtiger11> I want mine to take the strain off the ports
[17:32] <trevorman> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1310
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[17:32] <Oooch> Actually this is quite good
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[17:32] <trevorman> strain?
[17:32] <tomtiger11> Yep
[17:32] <trevorman> doubt any of them will actually be that closely fitted to be able to do that
[17:33] <trevorman> there is some variation in actual parts used
[17:33] <tomtiger11> Mmm
[17:33] <trevorman> e.g. the HDMI connector is sourced from more than one supplier
[17:33] <Tiksi[work]> you'd have to make one to get it that close
[17:33] <tomtiger11> Tiksi: Thats what im doing :P
[17:34] <Oooch> Has anyone built their own raspberry pi from scratch using the same parts?
[17:34] <rasp7aa> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GREEN-Pi-Crust-A-laser-cut-case-to-protect-your-Raspberry-Pi-Fits-Model-A-B-/261040021938?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item3cc732a1b2#ht_1388wt_1396
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> you can't really make the case rigid enough to support meaningfully the ports
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> Oooch: you can't buy the parts.
[17:34] <Oooch> Ah I see okay
[17:34] <trevorman> ^
[17:34] <trevorman> and getting that PoP on would be annoying
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> Oooch: They literally will not sell them to you in batches of under a quarter of a million
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: It's not _ that_ bad.
[17:34] <Oooch> I'll buy a quarter of a million of each part then build one raspberry pi
[17:34] <Oooch> lol
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> Light coating of flux, align properly, IR reflow
[17:34] <D-side> now to remember how to check something out of git
[17:35] <rasp7aa> SpeedEvil: the foundation only bought 10k
[17:35] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: beyond the ability of most people though. assuming you've not got some crazy fine pitch package then just regular SMD is fairly easy.
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> rasp7aa: It helps if when you ask to buy 10K that you're also on the board of broadcom.
[17:35] <Kolin> the foundation have connections with broadcom
[17:35] <trevorman> rasp7aa: its an initial order of 10k as well
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[17:35] <ReggieUK> they're not on the board of broadcom though are they?
[17:36] <ReggieUK> they just work for them/
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> I thought he was
[17:36] <ReggieUK> well, I say 'just'
[17:36] <trevorman> I think so
[17:36] <rasp7aa> eben just works for them
[17:36] <ReggieUK> I'd like to just work for them :D
[17:36] <keksdose> is there a known bug, that ethernet stops working?
[17:36] <trevorman> either way, they've got inside links with broadcom and they know that they'll be ordering many many thousands of these over the next few years
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[17:37] <SpeedEvil> 'just works for them'
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ebenupton
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[17:37] <SpeedEvil> As technical director.
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[17:37] <SpeedEvil> / SoC architect
[17:37] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: there isn't just one technical directory
[17:37] <trevorman> -y
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> And yes, of course.
[17:38] <rasp7aa> Overall responsibility for Merlyn 3 application processor architecture (2011 onward)
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[17:39] <SpeedEvil> But he's not someone that does the tea-trolley.
[17:39] <rasp7aa> SpeedEvil: so?
[17:39] <rasp7aa> SpeedEvil: we never said he was an intern at broadcom
[17:39] <tomtiger11> I cant see how to make holes in google sketchup
[17:39] <rasp7aa> SpeedEvil: we said he wasn't on the board
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> Fair enough - 'just works for them' tends to imply also that he's not in any position of authority.
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[17:40] <SpeedEvil> Not really botehred either way.
[17:40] <rasp7aa> no it doesn't
[17:41] <rasp7aa> there are over 10,000 people working at broadcom
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> It does to me. But anyway - his position certainly helped to convince them to sell a 'small' quantity.
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[17:41] <rasp7aa> It wouldn't have taken much convincing to sell old chips.
[17:41] <ReggieUK> they're not 'old' though
[17:42] <ReggieUK> they've been put into the roku2
[17:42] <ReggieUK> that's it
[17:42] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: They're not likely to be used in any new phones.
[17:42] <ReggieUK> no of course
[17:42] <ReggieUK> but they're not aimed at phones
[17:42] <rasp7aa> Which is where most of these ARM chips go
[17:42] <trevorman> they're low end not old
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[17:42] <drazyltoo> the arm component is "old", the gpu isn't I believe
[17:43] <drazyltoo> bear in mind it is a GPU that happens to have an ARM, not an ARM CPU that happens to have a good GPU
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[17:43] <Billy_> Hi.
[17:43] <steveccc> is powering a usb laptop disk via the pi out of the question without a powered hub?
[17:44] <drazyltoo> steveccc probably
[17:44] <cehteh> absolutely
[17:44] <rasp7aa> yes
[17:44] <Billy_> Is there a way to install flash player?
[17:44] <cehteh> most disks are already out of spec for normal usb (500ma) and have a Y cable
[17:44] <rasp7aa> if the pi had esata then you wouldn't have an issue
[17:44] <steveccc> does anyone think that is a downfall of the pi (that it maybe should have had a more powerful powersupply than usb?
[17:45] <D-side> trevorman: still around?
[17:45] <trevorman> hm?
[17:45] <cehteh> but the rpi can supply around 100ma on a usb port *at best*
[17:45] <rasp7aa> cehteh: 140
[17:45] <trevorman> rasp7aa: the fuse is rated for 140ma. you shouldn't be running at 140ma :P
[17:45] <cehteh> 140 are the fuse ratings, but you wont stress that
[17:45] <D-side> trevorman: thanks for the help before per firmware flashing. quick question: its powered up with a color palette image
[17:45] <trevorman> the rating varies wildly depending on temperature as well
[17:45] <D-side> i take it that's a good thing
[17:45] <trevorman> D-side: uhh. you got a config.txt?
[17:45] <trevorman> whats in there?
[17:46] <steveccc> cehteh: would i risk blowing the fuse by trying a usb hard disk or would it simply not power up?
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> steveccc: they are resettable fuseds
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> s
[17:46] <cehteh> prolly not power up, the fuses are self resetting
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> automatically
[17:46] <trevorman> steveccc: you don't even need to try it. it won't work properly. no USB HD is going to want less than 100ma
[17:46] <cehteh> but things on the hdd may get worse at undervoltage, dont even try
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[17:46] <steveccc> thought that but just been hopeful - hope my hub arrives soon :)
[17:47] <cehteh> hdd spinup needs the most current anyways
[17:47] <D-side> no actually, i just removed the contents of the first partition and dumped the contents of the firmware/boot dir into it
[17:47] <D-side> if there's docs on this i'll be glad to read them and leave you guys alone
[17:47] <Billy_> Does anyone know how to install Adobe Flash plugin or alternative on the Raspberry Pi?
[17:47] <cehteh> i rather waiting for reports about usb flash which doesnt work because it needs more current :P
[17:48] <cehteh> (wifi adapters too .. many (most) need more power )
[17:48] <trevorman> D-side: it shouldn't give you that colour palette. thats the factory test iirc. its enabled via an option in config.txt
[17:48] <trevorman> cehteh: the new USB3 sticks will probably do that
[17:48] <cehteh> my corsair padock maybe too
[17:48] <cehteh> didnt tried
[17:49] <D-side> trevorman: my problem is twofold: i dont have a config.txt, and i dont have any idea what i'm doing. appreciate your help and patience.
[17:49] <drazyltoo> Billy_ : http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6123
[17:49] <rasp7aa> D-side: make one then
[17:49] <Billy_> Thanks.
[17:49] <trevorman> just make a blank config.txt
[17:49] <drazyltoo> it's not going to help you
[17:49] <D-side> rasp7aa: yeah gonna, need to find docs on the subject. really just trying to bump the firmware up on this
[17:49] <cehteh> can you change the hdmi mode at runtime or only in config.txt?
[17:50] <rasp7aa> D-side: you need to download rpi-update
[17:50] * cehteh wants to get his 2k monitor working :)
[17:51] <Mrgoose2> $2000 monior??
[17:51] <trevorman> cehteh: you can do it with tvservice
[17:51] <cehteh> 2k resolution
[17:51] <cehteh> 2048x1152
[17:52] <D-side> rasp7aa: looking at it now, thanks. is this run on the pi itself? currently i'm without network access to it
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[17:52] <trevorman> D-side: you tried a blank config.txt?
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[17:53] <cehteh> trevorman: tvservice?
[17:53] <rasp7aa> D-side: It needs network
[17:53] <Billy_> Is there any way to get youtube videos and other flash content to work on a raspberry pi using a flash alternative?
[17:53] <D-side> trevorman: no but I can. i dont have a solid foundation on how/why things work on this platform
[17:53] <trevorman> cehteh: the utility
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[17:53] <cehteh> not in debian?
[17:54] <D-side> trevorman: simple as just touch'ing the file?
[17:54] <rasp7aa> Billy_: youtube has html5 aswell
[17:54] <Davespice> Billy_: you can try xbmc, raspbmc or openelec both play youtube videos via the youtube xbmc plugin
[17:54] <trevorman> D-side: yeah
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[17:55] <trevorman> cehteh: you not got /opt/vc/bin/tvservice ?
[17:55] <Billy_> Davespice: I mean within the debian OS.
[17:55] * cehteh checks
[17:55] <D-side> rasp7aa: thanks. i'll have more flexibility with this when i get home
[17:55] <cehteh> ah not in path
[17:55] <Billy_> rasp7aa: I am using chromium and youtube says I need flash.
[17:55] <Davespice> Billy_: omxplayer might work, but I haven't tried it
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[17:56] <oldman> My usb dongle will not configure if I plug it into a powered hub. Is there a solution?
[17:56] <des2> youtube works with html5
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> usb what dongle
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[17:57] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/html5
[17:57] <oldman> SpeedEvil: Belkin 75???
[17:57] <D-side> trevorman: first partition with nothing but the contents of the git repo you linked me, and a blank config.txt. same color palette image. gonna guess i'll hvae to wait til i'm able to get this on the network to get this done. thanks though
[17:57] <trevorman> D-side: weird
[17:57] <oldman> SpeedEvil: It works for a few moments if I plug it into the Rpi
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[17:58] <D-side> trevorman: i should really *really* read up on this
[17:58] <trevorman> oldman: you've still not actually said what this dongle does
[17:58] <trevorman> USB ethernet dongle? USB wifi? USB cup warmer?
[17:59] <oldman> SpeedEvil: Sorry I misunderstood. It is a wifi dongle.
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[17:59] <trevorman> what does the kernel say when you plug it in?
[18:00] <oldman> SpeedEvil: You mean in dmesg?
[18:00] <cehteh> anyone tried an EyeFi card on the rpi yet?
[18:00] <rm> what's the point
[18:00] <cehteh> i dont really like the propietary crap, but if one can leverage the wifi from it it would be cool
[18:01] <rm> it's overpriced and you can get separate SD storage and USB WiFi for like 5x cheaper
[18:01] <rasp7aa> cehteh: I wouldn't imagine the range would be very good
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[18:02] <cehteh> i suspect the SD slot has its own and possibly faster DMA than the usb port and usb is already overused on the rpi
[18:02] <cehteh> ethernet goes through usb too right?
[18:02] <rasp7aa> sd is limited
[18:02] <rasp7aa> cehteh: ask ReggieUK about overclocking the sd slot
[18:03] <cehteh> heh
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[18:04] <Tiksi[work]> I kinda wish it was a CF slot, get an old ipod or other 1.5" drive and have a ton of space
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[18:05] <rasp7aa> Tiksi[work]: I hate pins. sd is to cf like ide is to sata
[18:05] <trevorman> cehteh: eyefi card wouldn't be very useful
[18:05] <rasp7aa> other way around though
[18:06] <Billy_> Youtube seems to be working, presumably from HTML5. However, it runs extremely slowly. Any way to remedy this?
[18:06] <skryking> wireless without needing a powered hub might make it interesting..
[18:06] <Tiksi[work]> yeah, that's true, but CF is the same interface as ide, which makes life easy
[18:06] <cehteh> note that CF *is* ide :)
[18:06] <trevorman> cehteh: I've got one. Its one way only. You can't write to it from the network. The one way transfer is also for only a very limited set of file extensions. I tihnk it only understands FAT as well.
[18:06] <cehteh> trevorman: ok
[18:06] <Tiksi[work]> where as sd to sata, if possible, isn't nearly as easy
[18:07] <trevorman> cehteh: CF can be IDE. Its not always.
[18:07] <cehteh> trevorman: well thats aritifically limited by the propietary firmware i guess
[18:07] <cehteh> yes i know
[18:07] <trevorman> cehteh: yeah. it runs eCos IIRC
[18:07] * gordonDrogon waves
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> another 2 lemon drizzles in the oven...
[18:07] <cehteh> if someone could open that up and make it hackable it might be useful
[18:07] <trevorman> the developers said that its incredibly constrained for RAM as it runs off a little Atheros SoC
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> not a bad day. 2 more cakes to go. (coffee & walnut)
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[18:08] <trevorman> it uses the pre GPL version of eCos as well
[18:08] * Billy_ wonders why his youtube framerate has to be measures in seconds per frame rather than frames per second.
[18:08] <passstab> are they?
[18:08] <passstab> thas weird
[18:09] <rasp7aa> lol then it would be more of a slideshow than a video
[18:09] <Billy_> Exactly.
[18:09] <rasp7aa> 24 seconds per frame :D
[18:10] <trevorman> Billy_: on the RPi?
[18:10] <Billy_> Yeah.
[18:11] <trevorman> what browser you using?
[18:11] <jardiamj> Hi guys, I followed this tutorial aimed to the Arduino and did it with the RPi and programmed on Python using the RPi.GPIO library.
[18:11] <jardiamj> http://www.ladyada.net/learn/arduino/lesson5.html
[18:11] <Billy_> Chromium
[18:11] <trevorman> I assume its not doing hw acceleration
[18:11] <trevorman> its probably doing WebM then and thats not accelerated
[18:11] <rasp7aa> you actually managed to compile chrome for the pi?
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[18:11] <Billy_> Chromium is easy to install.
[18:12] <Billy_> I didn't have to compile anything.
[18:12] <jardiamj> I could write the same tutorial using the RPi and Python. Would it be suitable for a wiki or maybe just post in the forums?
[18:12] <rasp7aa> jardiamj: why not both?
[18:12] <trevorman> rasp7aa: http://elinux.org/RPi_Chromium
[18:13] <trevorman> Billy_: when you go to http://youtube.com/html5 what codec does it list as being available?
[18:13] <jardiamj> well, I don't really know what can go on the wiki page...
[18:13] <rasp7aa> trevorman: Oh god why did apt get + startx need it's own wiki tutorial?
[18:13] <trevorman> rasp7aa: lol
[18:14] <jardiamj> rasp7aa: hahahaha, I don't know
[18:14] <jardiamj> I'm working on it, and will report later...
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[18:15] <Billy_> I think I'll give up on youtube.
[18:16] <Billy_> So, how do I get rid of these black bars?
[18:16] <Billy_> On the top and bottom.
[18:16] <Tiksi[work]> Billy_, use one of the programs for it
[18:16] <Tiksi[work]> xbmc
[18:16] <Tiksi[work]> instead of the browser
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[18:16] <Tiksi[work]> and as far as the black bars
[18:16] <Billy_> Okay.
[18:16] <Tiksi[work]> set your hdmi mode
[18:16] <Tiksi[work]> in config.txt
[18:16] <Billy_> I have.
[18:16] <Billy_> Maybe I chose the wrong one.
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[18:17] <Billy_> Is xbmc a program or an OS?
[18:17] <trevorman> program
[18:18] <Billy_> Okay.
[18:18] <Billy_> Brb.
[18:18] <trevorman> people have packed it up into dedicated distributions which only run xbmc though. openelec and raspbmc are the two main ones.
[18:18] <cehteh> thats like asking if emacs is a editor or an os :)
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[18:18] <trevorman> cehteh: bad idea using emacs for your example lol
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[18:18] <trevorman> give it a couple extra features and you probably could use emacs as an os >.>
[18:19] <Draylor> now now
[18:19] * cehteh wanted to make an emacsos some(1st april)day
[18:19] <Draylor> wars have started over less ;)
[18:19] <cehteh> that is init=/bin/emacs ..
[18:19] <trevorman> lol
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[18:19] <cehteh> since emacs its an lisp vm its actually a bit serious, it gives an useable platform for some (not too small) embedded stuff
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[18:36] <Billy_> How do I install XBMC?
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[18:37] <IT_Sean> Have you downloaded either the openelec or raspbmc image?
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[18:37] <Billy_> No.
[18:37] <Billy_> What are they?
[18:38] <IT_Sean> They are the SD card images for xbmc. you can use either one.
[18:38] <Billy_> I thought I could run it on debian.
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[18:38] <IT_Sean> raspbmc is debian with xbmc
[18:39] <Billy_> Is it possible for me to install it in my current SD card which I use for my raspberry pi?
[18:39] <Billy_> I mean, within my current debian installation?
[18:40] <IT_Sean> i am not sure.
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[18:40] <Billy_> Okay.
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[18:42] <Billy_> Do I have to buy quake 3 in order to play it on my raspberry pi?
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[18:42] <hotwings> no
[18:43] <Billy_> Do I have to buy quake 3 in order to play it on my raspberry pi without making myself a criminal?
[18:44] <Cheery> you are a criminal already
[18:44] <Cheery> highly likely
[18:44] <jaxdahl2> only for the original data
[18:44] <jaxdahl2> q3a source is open, the levels/textures are still copyrighted
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[18:44] <rasp7aa> can't you get the resources from the demo?
[18:44] <jaxdahl2> forgot the right term to use.. nondistributable
[18:45] <jaxdahl2> maybe. levels may have been compiled differently?
[18:45] <Billy_> What about Quake Live?
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[18:45] <jaxdahl2> there's total conversions
[18:45] <jaxdahl2> QLive is different
[18:45] <the_cuckoo> Billy_: no
[18:45] <rasp7aa> modmypi has linked these,
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[18:45] <rasp7aa> http://www.andershizzle.com/Q3%20Demo%20Paks.zip
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[18:46] <rasp7aa> Billy_: http://blog.modmypi.com/
[18:46] <Billy_> Thanks.
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[18:46] <Steffanx> I'm playing around with my rpi for a while now. I have a samba share and ftp server running, get nice speeds up to 10MB/s, but for some reason it keeps dropping the connection after a while..
[18:47] <Steffanx> ifdown and ifup eth0 fixes it.. until I start uploading files again
[18:47] <rasp7aa> Steffanx: It's only a 10/100mbit ethernet
[18:47] <Steffanx> I know rasp7aa
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[18:48] <Steffanx> The speed isn't the issue, but the connection drop is
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[18:49] <Steffanx> I'm using the standard debian image .. and tried different power supplies
[18:49] <rasp7aa> Steffanx: are you using usb devices?
[18:49] <rasp7aa> the ethernet shares the usb bandwidth
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[18:50] <Steffanx> Yeah, an external hard disk
[18:50] <Steffanx> With it's own power supply
[18:50] <koichirose> Steffanx: exactly the same problem here
[18:50] <jaxdahl2> shares the bandwith to what? cpu? memory?
[18:50] <rasp7aa> Steffanx: I'm not sure, but that may contribute.
[18:50] <koichirose> I have a usb pendrive connected. no display, no keyboard, no mouse
[18:50] <rasp7aa> jaxdahl2: usb bus
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[18:50] <IT_Sean> The external HD is using some USB bandwith
[18:50] <IT_Sean> USB shares bandwith with ethernet
[18:50] <jaxdahl2> that seems silly
[18:50] <rasp7aa> the ethernet shares the same 480mbit usb bus with the two usb ports
[18:50] <jaxdahl2> but whatever cuts costs
[18:50] <IT_Sean> the ethernet port is basically a USB ethernet adapter
[18:51] <jaxdahl2> ahhh
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[18:51] <rasp7aa> it sucks I know
[18:52] <Steffanx> So koichirose has some issues with the connection that's getting dropped too?
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[18:53] <koichirose> Steffanx: I do
[18:53] <Steffanx> Also see a "smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: kevent 0 may have been dropped" message (see dmesg) all the time?
[18:54] <koichirose> I was trying to use rtorrent. the connection drops after a while and I have to unplug the power cable, since I have no displays attached, nor keyboard
[18:54] <jaxdahl2> wonder if it has issues with high rates of packets?
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[18:55] <Steffanx> Yes, sort of jaxdahl2
[18:55] <rasp7aa> transmission > rtorrent
[18:55] <rasp7aa> Steffanx: I used to get that with too much usb stuff
[18:57] <tero_> any good tutorials on how to setup wifi?
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[18:58] <rasp7aa> tero_: there's some posts in the forum
[18:58] <Steffanx> Any idea if the different linux distros available for the rpi use the same kernel?
[18:58] <Steffanx> Otherwise I'll try another distro
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[18:59] <rasp7aa> 3.1.9+ here on raspbian
[19:00] <Steffanx> Same with debian
[19:00] <megaproxy> bbl
[19:00] <Owner> does this run on stock kernel?
[19:00] <rasp7aa> no
[19:01] <Owner> when are changes going to be in mainline?
[19:01] <rasp7aa> it's modified a bit for the raspberypi
[19:01] <Owner> where are the patches
[19:01] <rasp7aa> Owner: maybe this https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
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[19:04] <smjms> does Lightspark work on RPi?
[19:04] <Owner> i'd have to figure out how to get a .patch file for a specific stable release from that mess
[19:04] <passstab> smjms, why do you want that?
[19:05] <passstab> lightspark is useless
[19:05] <passstab> jus use gnash
[19:05] <rasp7aa> lightspark uses opengl
[19:06] <passstab> oh i that why it makes thing worse for me?
[19:06] <passstab> i see
[19:06] <passstab> *is
[19:06] <rasp7aa> passstab: are you sober?
[19:07] <passstab> ya
[19:07] <DaQatz> Since when?
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[19:09] <koichirose> Steffanx: I tried a couple fixes someone gave me here earlier
[19:09] <koichirose> no luck
[19:09] <koichirose> rasp7aa: is there a server-side command-line transmission?
[19:10] <Steffanx> Yes
[19:10] <koichirose> I'll check that
[19:10] <Steffanx> If you use something debian-ish .. transmission-cli iirc
[19:10] <koichirose> anyway, what about our issue?
[19:10] <koichirose> yes, I'm using the latest debian from raspberry.org
[19:10] <rasp7aa> koichirose: yup, and a daemon
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[19:11] <Steffanx> but transmission also has a fancy with and webinterface
[19:11] <Steffanx> fancy deamon
[19:11] <Steffanx> ae
[19:11] <koichirose> wow. I'll try that as soon as I solve this network issue
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[19:11] <D-side> lol this is annoying.
[19:11] <koichirose> Steffanx: what do you plan to do
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[19:12] <D-side> so i'm trying to get this raspbmc install completed so i can run the rpi-updater script
[19:12] <D-side> so i can resolve errors with the mmc block device
[19:12] <Steffanx> I was just messing around with a samba share/ftp server and an external (usb) hdd koichirose
[19:12] <D-side> of course, the install process requires writes to said mmc device, so its slow going and half b0rk
[19:12] <Steffanx> Just wanted to know how well it would perform, but the connection drops make it pretty useless
[19:12] <Owner> D-side~# RMA it
[19:13] <koichirose> Steffanx: same here. it performs very well until the connection drops
[19:13] <D-side> Owner: i'm not ready to go that far until i've exhausted troubleshooting steps
[19:13] <D-side> if a fw issue resolves it, great
[19:13] <D-side> er fw update
[19:13] <D-side> i'm annoyed, not throwing up my hands yet
[19:13] <Owner> time is money
[19:14] <Owner> for every hour you spend on that, you could be making 100 dollars
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[19:14] <D-side> while valid, i'm okay with it for now. i can multitask
[19:15] <koichirose> Steffanx: can we keep in touch please? I'd really like to solve this
[19:15] <koichirose> it's my nickname @gmail.com
[19:15] <Steffanx> Do you also get that message btw koichirose ?
[19:15] <jaxdahl2> where's the source code for the firmware?
[19:17] <Owner> indeed
[19:17] <koichirose> which one?
[19:17] <Steffanx> "msc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: kevent 0 may have been dropped"
[19:18] <Steffanx> and an extra 's' before msc
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[19:18] <Owner> all the firmware source code
[19:19] <jaxdahl2> specifically, i want to see where it reads /boot/config.txt
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[19:20] <mjr> jaxdahl2, that source code is AFAIK super-secret
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[19:21] <jaxdahl2> are we not going to be able to change resolution without rebooting?
[19:21] <D-side> i wonder if this thing just hates my sandisk and lexar sd cards
[19:21] <jaxdahl2> /opt/vc/* seems to be closed source as well
[19:23] <koichirose> Steffanx: I don't get that one because I have no display connected (nor keyboard).
[19:23] <koichirose> I'm connected with SSH and I simply get disconnected
[19:23] <Steffanx> Hmm, get one :P
[19:23] <koichirose> going to buy a keyboard now
[19:23] <koichirose> yeah
[19:23] <koichirose> please write me an email
[19:23] <koichirose> since I don't have yours
[19:23] <koichirose> bye!
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[19:39] <Owner> guess we will have to reverse the firmware or hack into motorolla
[19:39] <Owner> ill get some people working on it
[19:39] <IT_Sean> what? hack motorola?
[19:39] <IT_Sean> what for?
[19:39] <Owner> firmware source code?
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[19:40] <IT_Sean> for what?
[19:40] <Owner> wasnt that the company
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[19:40] <IT_Sean> the pi? no. that's broadcom.
[19:40] <Owner> er yeah broadcom
[19:40] <Owner> sorry
[19:40] <IT_Sean> and they aren't going to give you the really good stuff on the GPU, if that's what you are after.
[19:40] <Owner> not going to ask
[19:41] <D-side> yeah.
[19:41] <D-side> firmware updated, powercycle time
[19:42] <Owner> or someone should make an r-pi that doesnt depend on super secret code
[19:42] <D-side> well
[19:42] <Owner> probably easier to just social engineer broadcom
[19:42] <D-side> plenty of people make embedded devices that dont rely on "super secret code"
[19:42] <D-side> what sets the pi apart is the fact that its pretty bangin' hardware for an extremely low price point
[19:42] <D-side> and lol @ social engineering broadcom
[19:43] <Owner> its not banging if you cant do anything with the video chip
[19:43] <Owner> without banging your head
[19:43] <IT_Sean> If you want open source, go elsewhere. If you want a pretty powerful, blut closed source, dev board at an awesome price, get a raspi
[19:43] <D-side> ^
[19:43] <IT_Sean> it can't do anything wit the video chip YET.
[19:43] <D-side> that sums it up perfectly
[19:43] <IT_Sean> have patients, grasshopper
[19:43] <Owner> how bout just get the firmware
[19:43] <ironzorg> my tv monitor to which my rpi is plug is blinking, do I have to modify the config.txt file to fix this ?
[19:43] <Owner> easier than waiting
[19:43] <ironzorg> its the only thing I can think of
[19:43] <urs> btw, does anybody know if the official CE compliance testing results are available somewhere?
[19:44] <IT_Sean> I think you are underestimating the difficulty in "just getting the code", Owner
[19:44] <urs> I know my Pi carries a CE mark, but where can I check the test results? :)
[19:44] <Owner> IT_Sean~# i highly doubt that
[19:44] <D-side> :|
[19:44] * IT_Sean gives up
[19:44] <Owner> security is a joke
[19:45] <IT_Sean> have fun little hacker Mchackerpants
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[19:45] <Owner> pfft, i farm it out
[19:46] <rasp7aa> ironzorg: tv monitor blinking means it's in standby
[19:46] <ironzorg> rasp7aa: I do have an output
[19:47] <D-side> i wonder if that fw update didnt resolve my silly SD issue.
[19:47] <ironzorg> it's just blinking
[19:48] <rasp7aa> urs: I doubt it, unless the foundation decide to publish them.
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[19:49] <D-side> alright i'm happier now that this thing booted without bitching
[19:49] <rasp7aa> D-side: it doesn't have a speaker
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[19:50] <D-side> rasp7aa: was that a joke
[19:50] <D-side> say "no"
[19:50] <D-side> and we'll just forget that happened
[19:51] <Owner> not funny
[19:52] <rasp7aa> yes
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[19:55] * gordonDrogon waves
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> having a few moments out of the kitchen.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> although I have 2 coffee and walnut cakes to make before bedtime.
[19:57] <D34TH> dude
[19:57] <D34TH> you have to share now
[19:57] <IT_Sean> Yeah, really. All this talk of chocolate cake and lemon drizzle is driving me mad.
[19:58] <IT_Sean> I'm going to have a cakegasm over here if you don't knock it off.
[19:58] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> hehe...
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[19:58] <gordonDrogon> if you want cake, come to Devon... England.. UK ...
[19:59] * D34TH opens airbnb
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> tomorow is 2 victoria sandwitches and 100 mini cupcakes.
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> and if I get dine in-time I'm off to the local LUG in the evening armed with one of those Lemon Drizzle cakes...
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> so if your near Exeter then ;-)
[20:00] * Hourd ninjas his way to get that cake
[20:01] <D-side> wifi isnt working so hot. oh well. heh
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[20:01] <IT_Sean> It would be a little bit to far for me, sadly.
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[20:02] * PiBot sets mode +v wizkid057
[20:02] <IT_Sean> Hourd: send me a bit of the lemon drizzle while you are in there! :p
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[20:04] <D-side> oh dear god
[20:04] <D-side> wicd-curses just took all the pain away.
[20:05] <D-side> okay. rockin' the suggested squeeze install, wifi up and working
[20:05] <D-side> very, very nice.
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[20:08] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: I want cakes! :O
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> amelia_, come to Devon :)
[20:08] * IT_Sean steals amelia_'s raspberrypi when she isn't looking!
[20:08] * Pyrat (~Xan@host-78-150-158-28.as13285.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> Right. Fresh mug of tea and back to the kitchen batman!
[20:10] <amelia_> where in Devon? :D
[20:10] * amelia_ stabs IT_Sean with a fork|
[20:10] * IT_Sean dodges
[20:10] <haltdef> devon ftw
[20:10] <IT_Sean> you missed!
[20:11] <rasp7aa> somerset > devon
[20:13] <Owner> somerset like..england?
[20:13] <haltdef> explain weston super mare
[20:13] <rasp7aa> I can't..
[20:13] <dupondje> Hmm, copied OpenELEC to my SD card, inserted it in my RPI, but i'm getting "Error in mount_disks: mount_common: Could not mount /dev/mmcblk0p1"
[20:13] <dupondje> any idea's ?
[20:13] <haltdef> though, we have newton abbot
[20:13] <haltdef> ick.
[20:13] <rasp7aa> Owner: what other somerset is there?
[20:13] <Owner> none i guess... thats where Ott is from :D
[20:14] <rasp7aa> ott?
[20:14] <mkopack> dupondje: Did you just COPY the file or did you write the image out to the SD card?
[20:14] <dupondje> mkopack: sudo ./create_sdcard /dev/mmcblk0
[20:14] <dupondje> :)
[20:14] <Owner> ottsonic.net
[20:14] <rasp7aa> although I live on the opposite edge of somerset
[20:15] <mkopack> (is create_sdcard some new script or something????) how about just dd ???
[20:15] <rasp7aa> Owner: does ott sound like a farmer?
[20:15] <dupondje> mkopack: downloaded it from http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20120607081449-r11263.tar.bz2
[20:15] <Owner> haha not even close
[20:15] <mkopack> and I don't think it's supposed to be /dev/mmcblk0 usually it's something more like /dev/sdc
[20:16] <rasp7aa> mkopack: openelec doesn't come in img's.
[20:16] <mkopack> ah
[20:16] <mkopack> I haven't messed with it at all
[20:16] <mkopack> It's on my to-do list after I take my final next Wed
[20:16] <rasp7aa> But there is an img of openelec floating around
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[20:17] <nplus> can anyone recommend a USB oscilloscope? I would run it on my Windows PC and use it for testing SPI/I2C
[20:17] * silent__thought (~joshua@205-162-236-162.ip.interworks.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[20:17] <mkopack> Well, got me??? Short of redoing the SD card and trying again
[20:17] * PiBot sets mode +v silent__thought
[20:18] <rasp7aa> me?????
[20:18] <Owner> rasp7aa~# sounds like an acid trip through jamaica
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> back briefly...
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[20:22] <gordonDrogon> amelia_, deepest, darkest devon...
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> haltdef, no-one can explain weston super mare.
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> gone again.
[20:23] <Owner> sounds like a big horse?
[20:23] <Owner> horse with a cape?
[20:23] <haltdef> hm, I think game developers are finally starting to do it right
[20:23] <haltdef> developing for PC then porting to consoles
[20:24] <haltdef> or at least side by side
[20:24] <Owner> where would you get that idea
[20:24] <rasp7aa> Owner: http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/birmmail/jul2008/6/5/68D67A2E-CC8D-EFFD-48A7F3D0A3709C2E.jpg
[20:24] <haltdef> max payne 3 has blown me away considering it's rockstar
[20:24] <haltdef> who are known for terrible ports :P
[20:24] <Oooch> I thoguht it was a shitty game
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[20:25] <rasp7aa> san andreas was an alright port
[20:25] <haltdef> the engine is pretty impressive
[20:25] <Oooch> Engine ran well
[20:25] <Owner> i thought rockstar did a decent job on the PC versions
[20:25] <rasp7aa> Owner: only gta4 was the terrible port
[20:25] * fiftyonefiftyAFK is now known as fiftyonefifty
[20:25] <haltdef> san andreas was a terrible port
[20:25] <Owner> so what is that a building on fire?
[20:26] <rasp7aa> Owner: western super mare
[20:26] <Owner> that doesnt look like a female horse
[20:26] <haltdef> though it is impressive that it natively supports 2560x1440 being such an old game
[20:26] <plugwash> Afaict rockstar PC ports were shitty to start with but PC hardware marching forward made up for the low quality of porting and gave a superior experiance to the original consoles
[20:27] <IT_Sean> PC > Console, generally.
[20:27] <rasp7aa> pc gaming master race
[20:27] <Oooch> ^
[20:27] <mkopack> ^
[20:27] <Owner> sorry guys
[20:27] <Oooch> To be honest I'll be very surprised if anyone here is a console gamer
[20:27] <mkopack> Consoles have their place though
[20:28] <haltdef> watch dogs looks like ubisoft are starting to give pc some love
[20:28] <IT_Sean> Oooch: I've got an xbox 360.
[20:28] <Owner> consoles have their place in making crap tons of money with crappy games selling to crappy gamers
[20:28] <mkopack> I prefer consoles for some types of games - platformers, shooters (NOT FPS though!) and racing games...
[20:28] <Owner> thats why....they will win
[20:28] <SSilver2k2> i only console game now, but only because i cant afford to make a new gaming rig
[20:28] <mkopack> Everything else (FPS, RTS, Turn based strategy, etc.) give me a PC
[20:28] * LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
[20:28] <haltdef> give me a pc for all of it
[20:28] <Owner> i mean todays consoles, back in the day consoles had some of the best games, and some genres dont translate to PC (without gamepad)
[20:28] <rasp7aa> consoles are only good for racing games
[20:28] <haltdef> no game is ever better on older hardware with inefficient controllers
[20:29] <mkopack> I REFUSE to play a FPS game on a console unless they let me use a KB+Mouse...
[20:29] <rasp7aa> the triggers on the xbox were pretty nice
[20:29] <mkopack> And if they do, I'll RAPE all those idiot gamepad players
[20:29] <rasp7aa> mkopack: you must be fun at parties
[20:29] <Owner> mkopack~# LETS PLAY QUAKE3
[20:29] <Owner> ok so why is this 'horse' building on fire?
[20:29] <rasp7aa> I'd play too but my pi is downstairs without a monitor
[20:29] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: there are deepest darkest $mostplaces.... try again? ;)
[20:30] <mkopack> Yeah, um, I'm at WORK
[20:30] <Owner> so am i
[20:30] <haltdef> are you in devon, amelia_?
[20:30] <Owner> you dont get to play quake3 at work?
[20:30] <mkopack> Which means I don't have Quake here
[20:30] <Owner> here i can send it to you
[20:31] <D34TH> mkopack your at work and works have fast internets
[20:31] <mkopack> HAHAH, not here at Lockheed we don't!
[20:31] <mkopack> I have faster at home!
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[20:31] * PiBot sets mode +v adamaze
[20:32] <adamaze> i acidentally crossed two of the GPIO pins and my pi rebooted....should that have happened?
[20:32] <amelia_> haltdef: nope :D
[20:32] <rasp7aa> adamaze: you bricked it, go buy another
[20:32] <adamaze> lol
[20:32] <adamaze> it still works
[20:32] <Owner> wait
[20:32] <Owner> you can actually BUY these things?
[20:33] <Owner> im calling bullshit
[20:33] <Oooch> One sitting behind me must be imaginary then
[20:33] <plugwash> Owner, sure you can on ebay
[20:33] <plugwash> or you can join the queue at RS/farnell
[20:33] <rasp7aa> I'm talking from one
[20:33] <Owner> lol BUY on ebay? more like scam and get it for free
[20:34] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[20:34] <Owner> works every time
[20:34] <Oooch> Scam how Owner?
[20:34] <Owner> just tell paypal you didnt get item
[20:34] <rasp7aa> Owner: do you live in nigeria?
[20:34] <Owner> and you get your moeny back
[20:34] <adamaze> so... that reboot when i crossed the pins was supposed to happen?
[20:34] <rasp7aa> that's fraud
[20:34] <Oooch> Kind of screwing someone else out of money though
[20:34] <Owner> so is facebook ip
[20:34] <Owner> ipo
[20:34] <Owner> who cares?
[20:34] <Oooch> I do
[20:34] <adamaze> dont feed the troll
[20:34] <Oooch> A giant monolithic company
[20:35] <rasp7aa> adamaze: Wait for gordonDrogon to get back from baking his cake. He's a bit of a gpio guru
[20:35] <Oooch> Is a bit different to a guy selling a cheap piece of kit on ebay
[20:35] <adamaze> rasp7aa: thanks
[20:35] <Owner> adamaze~# does it do it every time?
[20:35] <IT_Sean> owner: language.
[20:35] <adamaze> Owner: well.....i kinda dont want to do it again. haha
[20:35] <plugwash> ReggieUK, ShiftPlusOne can you please kickban owner for advocating fraud
[20:36] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
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[20:36] <Owner> adamaze~# which pins
[20:36] <adamaze> the ones at the edge (top left if you are lookin straight at the logo)
[20:37] <Owner> and did you look at the schematic?
[20:37] <adamaze> oh boy. what did i miss
[20:37] <adamaze> lol
[20:38] <adamaze> im not much of an EE, but i will try reading them. hold on
[20:39] * Owner was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
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[20:39] * PiBot sets mode +v Owner
[20:39] <Owner> ok so on ebay, when you buy something, tell paypal you didnt get it, and you get your money back and the item
[20:39] <Owner> its great
[20:39] <rasp7aa> IT_Sean: lol I was wondering why it was taking so long for you to kick him
[20:40] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*@gateway/tor-sasl/owner
[20:40] <Owner> he was writing a story
[20:40] <D-side> lol
[20:40] * Owner was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[20:40] <D-side> what did i miss
[20:40] <IT_Sean> sorry that took so long, im on a tech call.
[20:40] <D-side> oh that guy. he's a winner.
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[20:41] <raspbi> OK SO ON EBAY, BUY SOMETHING, AND TELL PAYPAL YOU DIDNT GET IT, AND YOU GET YOUR MONEYBACK AND THE ITEM FREE
[20:41] <raspbi> ITS GREAT
[20:41] <raspbi> lol
[20:42] <IT_Sean> it's illegal. :/
[20:42] <raspbi> not uin my country
[20:42] <rasp7aa> hmm
[20:42] <D-side> it's just stupid
[20:42] <Oooch> I wouldn't do it purely for immoral reasons
[20:42] <Oooch> Steal from a chain store, sure
[20:42] <rasp7aa> raspbi: what country?
[20:42] <Oooch> Not this though
[20:42] <adamaze> ok bear with me for a second. using this for reference:
[20:42] <raspbi> rasp7aa: israel
[20:42] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[20:43] <raspbi> as long as its from a Gentile, its not stealing
[20:43] <raspbi> because they are not chosen ones
[20:43] <Steffanx> Isn't that how the isreali thing about everything?
[20:43] <D-side> oh god
[20:43] <Steffanx> Screw them, we are the best? :P
[20:43] <Oooch> Okay I'm staying out of this
[20:43] <Steffanx> Haha Oooch
[20:43] <Steffanx> No, you should troll around too
[20:43] <raspbi> you doubt our superiority? ##zog
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[20:44] <jardiamj> adamaze: It happened to me last night too, my jumper cable accidentally touched the usb port and it rebooted... but it still working find
[20:44] <IT_Sean> ... what. the. [censored. ?
[20:44] <D-side> there's just no answer.
[20:44] * IT_Sean blinks
[20:44] <rasp7aa> The Code of Law clearly states that stealing from a gentile is forbidden.
[20:44] <D-side> this is just going to go downhill
[20:45] <Oooch> ^
[20:45] * beardface changes the topic
[20:45] <beardface> pi
[20:45] <Oooch> I love the raspberry pi
[20:45] <rasp7aa> the pi sucks
[20:45] <Steffanx> Agreed
[20:45] <D-side> so i got that recommended squeeze install working great.
[20:45] <rasp7aa> it can't even play crysis
[20:45] <adamaze> jardiamj: that might have been a shock......well mine could have been as well, i just dont want to test it again. lol
[20:45] <beardface> it playes farcry2 fine for me
[20:45] <Oooch> Actually I play crysis at 1080p on max settings on my pi!
[20:45] <urs> It can play opentyrian!
[20:45] <urs> Which is awesome.
[20:45] <rasp7aa> Oooch: what settings do you use?
[20:45] <D-side> not looking to start a religious war, but anyone have a reasonable opinion on raspbmc vs openelec?
[20:45] <beardface> AND XMOTO!
[20:46] <rasp7aa> D-side: openelec is better
[20:46] <Oooch> Well first what i did is I replaced all of the original components with gaming pc parts and placed them in a real gaming pc case
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[20:46] <Oooch> Really improves the raspberry pi's performance
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[20:46] <D-side> rasp7aa: is that a definable and arguable viewpoint
[20:46] <D-side> or is it just better because it is
[20:46] <Steffann> You see it the wrong way rasp7aa
[20:46] <rasp7aa> D-side: Nah, open elec is so much more lightweight
[20:46] <Steffann> Crysis just doesn't support the rpi :P
[20:46] <rasp7aa> raspbmc has got all that debian bloat
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[20:47] <rasp7aa> D-side: look into dark elec aswell
[20:47] <D-side> oh right you mentioned darkelec yesterday, i forgot
[20:47] <adamaze> rasp7aa: im assuming there is a pi specific build of openelec? if so, can you point me to one?
[20:47] <rasp7aa> dark elec is open elec with some raspberrypi optimisations
[20:47] <D-side> found it
[20:48] <D-side> reading.
[20:48] <D-side> thanks
[20:48] <rasp7aa> adamaze: Do you just want a build or an img?
[20:49] <adamaze> well i guess an img would be best
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[20:50] <rasp7aa> adamaze: http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[20:50] <jardiamj> adamaze: a shock?
[20:50] <adamaze> jardiamj: i mean static shock? if all you did was touch one piece of metal with another piece of metal?
[20:51] <adamaze> rasp7aa: thanks for the link. will all the normal xbmc stuff work on openelec?
[20:52] <adamaze> rasp7aa: like the android remote
[20:52] <rasp7aa> adamaze: I'm not sure. openelec have their own forums at, http://openelec.tv/forum
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[20:52] <adamaze> cool thanks
[20:53] <adamaze> i use xbmc on my ubuntu 12.04 htpc and i love it.
[20:53] <adamaze> i would like to try openelec on the raspi, but i dont want to have to have a keyboard and mouse plugged in to it
[20:53] <rasp7aa> yeah, I wish it still supported my old xbox though :D
[20:54] <jardiamj> adamaze: I had my jumper cable connected to the 3.3V pin...
[20:54] <rasp7aa> adamaze: I'm sure that the remotes will work, but they may need a little bit of configuration. I'm sure lot's of users have done the same thing on the open elec forums
[20:55] <jardiamj> and the other end touched the usb port... I fricked out when it rebooted and prayed... lol
[20:55] <adamaze> jardiamj: ahhhh i get it
[20:55] <IT_Sean> all you did was short 3.3 to ground
[20:55] <plugwash> 3.3V to ground is probablly not that bad, just shorting out the regulator
[20:55] <plugwash> regulators are usually pretty tough
[20:55] <IT_Sean> probably the least dangeroud (for the device) short you can make
[20:55] <IT_Sean> *dangerous
[20:55] <adamaze> is the 3.3 pin that top left one?
[20:56] <IT_Sean> While i wouldn't recommend doing it on purpose, you would really have ot go out of your way ot dapage the Pi doing that
[20:56] <adamaze> or is that the 5 one?
[20:56] <D-side> i'm really goign to be happy when cases are available
[20:57] <jardiamj> yes, that one adamaze
[20:57] <IT_Sean> Not sure, but, either way. Shorting a low volt supply ot ground is probably the least destructive thing you can do.
[20:57] <rasp7aa> D-side: Cases are available
[20:57] <jardiamj> that's the 3.3V one
[20:57] <rasp7aa> D-side: Where do you live?
[20:57] <D-side> US
[20:57] <IT_Sean> It would have been MUCH worse had you, for example, shorted the 5v to the 3.3v
[20:57] <adamaze> so if i read the schematic correctly, then what i did was cross the 3.3 and the 5.......lol
[20:57] <rasp7aa> D-side: Allied are currently selling two cases.
[20:57] <adamaze> but it is still running
[20:57] <bbb^> for now anyway :)
[20:58] <adamaze> damn....
[20:58] <jardiamj> wholy adamaze ...
[20:58] <IT_Sean> I accidentally shorted a 12v rail to a 3.3v rail in one of our devices, once. Thinks went "POP!" :o
[20:58] <rasp7aa> D-side: But I would recommend the adafruit case. It looks soooooo pretty
[20:58] <adamaze> i was thinking they were all GPIO. i didnt know any were power... silly me
[20:58] <rasp7aa> D-side: with a gpio ribbon cable, so neat and tidy
[20:59] <D-side> out of stock :(
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[20:59] <rasp7aa> D-side: They're restocking every few days
[20:59] <D-side> how much ventilation does thta acrylic case allow for?
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[20:59] <rasp7aa> D-side: I don't think the pi needs any ventilation
[21:00] <IT_Sean> you don't need ventilation
[21:00] <D-side> rasp7aa: it will if im' gonna be decoding h.264 i think
[21:00] <IT_Sean> no, you won't
[21:00] <rasp7aa> D-side: these sorts of SoCs are designed to be put in mobile phones and such
[21:00] <D-side> okay
[21:00] <IT_Sean> the SOC should never get above "body temperature"
[21:00] <D-side> well thats good, thanks
[21:00] <rasp7aa> IT_Sean: I heard 45 was max
[21:00] <D-side> but that's a fair poit
[21:00] <D-side> point
[21:00] <IT_Sean> you can decode h.264 all day long without it getting "HOT"
[21:00] <rasp7aa> 45 C
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[21:01] <D-side> thta's even better
[21:02] <rasp7aa> D-side: skpang sell some nice cases with breadboard attachments, but they're based in the uk
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[21:03] <rasp7aa> D-side: And modmypi sell an abs plastic case but they're not starting production until the 15th
[21:03] <D-side> yeah i saw that one
[21:03] <jardiamj> Thanks for the explanation IT_Sean, I'm can breath better now...
[21:03] <D-side> i was hoping to have this buttoned up asap
[21:03] <bbb^> rasp7aa, I look the look of skpang cases, thinking of getting one with the breadboard (I am in the UK).
[21:04] * IT_Sean nods
[21:04] <rasp7aa> bbb^: gordonDrogon has one, if you want a review
[21:04] <bbb^> like the idea of cases showing the internals :)
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[21:05] <rasp7aa> bbb^: I think this one looks better than the skpang, especially with the gpio ribbon cable, but I dunno what uk shipping is like http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
[21:05] <jardiamj> bbb I have that one too..
[21:06] <Oooch> The adafruit one looks very very smart
[21:06] <tero_> damn
[21:06] <tero_> last 4 hour spent on trying to setup wifi
[21:06] <tero_> still not working
[21:06] <tero_> :(
[21:08] <jardiamj> I like that adafruit one... I had not seen it before..
[21:08] <beardface> D-Side: I sell cases
[21:08] <beardface> D-Side: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-3D-Printed-Case-Assorted-Colors-/180901208827?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2a1e8d62fb#ht_733wt_1325
[21:08] <rasp7aa> jardiamj: It's quite new, hence while the stock get's snapped up quickly
[21:08] <jardiamj> but it's not in stock..
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[21:08] <bbb^> rasp7aa, that is a nice looking case - I am thinking of going for the starter kit with the case, breadboard and few leds, switches etc... should be just under ?20 delivered
[21:09] <Sakyl> has som1 figured out how to get a RTL8781L-Chipset Wifi-Card running?
[21:09] <raymohi> It is more than likely printed on their laser cutter
[21:09] <D-side> beardface: i wish you well with that endeavor
[21:09] <D-side> but that case for $20
[21:09] <bbb^> just in case I have an itch to make LEDs flash :)
[21:09] <beardface> lol, yup
[21:09] <flimshaw> oh awesome. was wondering when some shields would come out
[21:09] <D-side> isnt happening :)
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[21:09] <jardiamj> bbb, that's the kit I got, pretty hand to start playing around
[21:09] <jardiamj> *handy
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[21:10] <bbb^> jardiamj, any issues with kit ?
[21:10] <beardface> D-side, no problem: the cases aren't mass produced, I print them one at a time
[21:10] <beardface> and they take 2 hours
[21:10] <D-side> beardface: i totally understand
[21:10] <D-side> i mean it, i hope you make your money with it
[21:10] <beardface> :) still, i wouldn't pay 20 for a case
[21:10] <D-side> personally, no interest
[21:11] <elspuddy> p7
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[21:11] <elspuddy> o7 even
[21:11] <rasp7aa> no offense beardface but all these printed cases have a horrible texture
[21:11] <jardiamj> I followed this tutorial with that kit and worked pretty well: http://www.ladyada.net/learn/arduino/lesson5.html
[21:11] <jardiamj> bbb ^^
[21:11] <beardface> rasp7aa: its not horrible, pictures don't do the case justice
[21:11] <beardface> but i know wha tyou mean
[21:11] <beardface> it isn't glass
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[21:11] <rasp7aa> beardface: not just your case, all printed products in general
[21:12] <elspuddy> i know i posted this link before, but since we on the subject of case;s for the pi, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251072149023?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[21:12] <bbb^> jardiamj, k thanks
[21:13] <D-side> rasp7aa: yeah the resin is just
[21:13] <D-side> it feels like cheap plastic
[21:13] <D-side> which is i suppose for a good reason
[21:13] <rasp7aa> D-side: Yet they are so expensive
[21:13] <beardface> depends on the resin
[21:14] <beardface> PLA is harder then ABS
[21:14] <beardface> ABS is what legos are made of
[21:14] <raymohi> Depends on the layer thickness
[21:14] <rasp7aa> the modmypi is made out of abs
[21:14] <D-side> disclaimer: i've yet to play with a 3D printer myself
[21:14] <beardface> layer thickness and perimiter width
[21:14] <rasp7aa> D-side: beardface is biased because he sells 3d printed pi cases
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[21:15] <beardface> lol
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[21:15] <beardface> I'm 'biased' b/c i 3d print, and know what prints look like
[21:15] <D-side> yes i know that
[21:15] <D-side> he tried to sucker me into buying one
[21:15] <D-side> i mean
[21:15] <beardface> I'm tellin gyou the truth
[21:15] <neure> hi
[21:15] <beardface> lol
[21:15] <D-side> he made me an offer which i declined
[21:15] <neure> is there cross compiler for ubuntu 12.04?
[21:15] <beardface> Don't buy my case
[21:15] <D-side> lol i'm just f'ing with you pal :D
[21:15] <beardface> :) i know
[21:15] <beardface> You can buy it via paypal
[21:15] <beardface> and then tell ebay you didn't get it
[21:15] <beardface> and then get it free
[21:16] <D-side> hahaha
[21:16] <rasp7aa> beardface: gentile!
[21:16] * beardface is quoting earlier, please don't super ban me
[21:16] <D-side> now i wanna
[21:16] <frankivo> beardface: did you post mine? :P
[21:16] <beardface> frankivo: you have a case?
[21:16] <frankivo> s/post/mail
[21:16] <beardface> ah; yup!
[21:16] <beardface> :)
[21:16] <beardface> you ordered 2 right?
[21:16] <frankivo> 3
[21:16] <beardface> or 3?
[21:16] <beardface> yeah, they are in the mail
[21:17] <frankivo> good good
[21:17] <beardface> sent them 3 days ago i think
[21:17] <tero_> um if only a propertiary driver for my wifi card exists, does this mean it won't work on r-pi? does this mean that it works only on x86?
[21:17] <beardface> or 2 days
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[21:17] <beardface> i can't remember... days run together
[21:17] <plugwash> tero_, if the driver itself it propietry then it almost certainly wont' work on the Pi
[21:17] <tero_> ralink....
[21:17] <frankivo> lol
[21:18] <frankivo> beardface: as long as it has been mailed, i'm good
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[21:22] <shaulkr> frankivo: Ralink's own Linux drivers (not those in the kernel itself) are open source, as far as I know
[21:23] <shaulkr> tero, that is
[21:23] <frankivo> :)
[21:23] <tero_> hmm
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[21:23] <tero_> well i am trying to figure out this wifi drivers for the last 4 hours
[21:23] <Mrgoose2> ?
[21:23] <shaulkr> Which chipset is it?
[21:23] <tero_> i tried this http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb does this works only on x86?
[21:24] <gmjhowe> Beta case design for the Pi - https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26330117/gmjhowe/UpperCrust.JPG
[21:24] <frankivo> ralink is a bitch :P
[21:24] <shaulkr> That one is working perfectly on my Pi
[21:24] <shaulkr> It's a 5370
[21:25] <shaulkr> I had to install the firmware from wheezy, though
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[21:26] <jardiamj> bbb^, I moved to another computer, but I just wanted to say that I have a little Python program I wrote last night to blink the leds based on the a switch press if you want to take a look at it.
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[21:27] <elspuddy> still trying to figure out what is wrong with my pi, but it looks like some one else is have thing the same problem im having
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[21:31] <dupondje> Anyone knows a working OpenELEC build for my RPI? http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20120607081449-r11263.tar.bz2 fails to boot here :(
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[21:32] <rasp7aa> dupondje: you want an img?
[21:32] <dupondje> rasp7aa: doesn't matter :) something that works :)
[21:32] <beardface> gmjhowe: that is massive
[21:32] <beardface> but cool
[21:32] <rasp7aa> dupondje: http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[21:32] <bbb^> jardiamj, nah its ok I can figure it out :) plus I am more a C guy.
[21:32] <gmjhowe> The idea is to be able to route all cables to the rear.
[21:32] <gmjhowe> Make it more of a usable desktop computer
[21:33] <dupondje> rasp7aa: thx, lets see how that goes :)
[21:33] <beardface> yeah, i like the idea
[21:33] <beardface> I tried to set up my case to look like a tiny blad node
[21:33] <beardface> *blade
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[21:33] <jardiamj> bbb^, OK, I didn't know... I'm pretty new to playing with this things... so..
[21:33] <beardface> but still, usb & ether in the front takes away a lot
[21:34] <beardface> :) Isn't it a blast designing the case though?
[21:34] <beardface> I've only turned on my Pi for maybe 2 hours
[21:34] <beardface> but I've spent tons of time on the case design
[21:34] <gmjhowe> Same
[21:34] <beardface> I have a garabage bag full of failed prototypes
[21:34] <gmjhowe> Well, I am mostly waiting on further development of the software before I use it more.
[21:34] <beardface> same
[21:34] <beardface> I was very frustrated with the base debian load
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[21:35] <gmjhowe> This is only my second prototype, reckon 3rd one will be perfect.
[21:35] <beardface> raspberry pi needs a debian net install
[21:35] <beardface> rather than someones image from the UK
[21:35] <tero_> ah crap
[21:35] <tero_> i guess i can't install my wifi
[21:35] <tero_> :(
[21:35] <beardface> i had a lot of trouble with my wifi dongle
[21:36] <beardface> gave up on it for now
[21:36] <gmjhowe> Tempted to make that case actually look like a saw.
[21:36] <beardface> need to power my usb hub to have a chance
[21:36] <beardface> make it look like a tiny roku
[21:36] <beardface> call it the 'pimedia' or something
[21:37] <gmjhowe> or the PiTV - http://www.flickr.com/photos/gmjhowe/7336644130/in/photostream
[21:37] <beardface> that works :)
[21:37] <adamaze> rasp7aa: thanks for that openelec link. i already have it booted (it does however stop responding to input about 45 seconds in (time on screen still updates, so it isnt frozen)
[21:37] <rasp7aa> adamaze: I dunno
[21:37] <gmjhowe> As you can see, it bothers me that there are ports on every side.
[21:37] <tero_> who here knows a lot about linux drivers? :) i have installed my usb wifi card on debian on some old machine and it worked great, but on r-pi it just can't get it to work.
[21:38] <tero_> where should i start?
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[21:38] <dupondje> rasp7aa: doesn't work, getting 'Count not mount /dev/mmcblk0p1'
[21:39] <adamaze> dupondje: when usng dd, remember to use /dev/mmcblk0 not mmcblk0p1
[21:40] <dupondje> jean-louis@laptop-jl:~/Downloads$ sudo dd bs=1M if=OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20120606162014-r11258.img of=/dev/mmcblk0
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[21:41] <politoed> yay, got it working
[21:41] <politoed> http://db.tt/R1h6U8T9
[21:42] <politoed> I wonder why I've got no colors
[21:43] <elspuddy> becaue sthe pi is nto set to pal ?
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[21:43] <Scepterr> anybody use RNX-MiniN1 for wifi
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[21:44] <politoed> elspuddy: could be
[21:44] <politoed> how do/can I change that?
[21:44] <Scepterr> tiny little adapter and newegg has it on sale for $8 :)
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[21:45] <politoed> oh. :P
[21:45] <IT_Sean> For $8 just order it.
[21:45] <elspuddy> politoed, To get PAL (colour) signals you need to add a line to the config.txt file in the /boot folder that reads:
[21:45] <elspuddy> sdtv_mode=3
[21:45] <IT_Sean> Can't really go wrong at that price.
[21:45] <politoed> IT_Sean: I'm not in the us
[21:45] <IT_Sean> oh
[21:45] <IT_Sean> where are you?
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[21:46] <politoed> portugal
[21:46] <politoed> will try, elspuddy
[21:46] <politoed> brb
[21:46] <IT_Sean> i see.
[21:46] <elspuddy> then i mite of given the wrong info out :(
[21:47] <politoed> https://sites.google.com/a/davidsingleton.org/www2/home/stuff-i-had-to-do-to-get-raspberry-pi-debian-image-working
[21:47] <politoed> this guy says =2
[21:47] <politoed> ooh, nice
[21:47] <politoed> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[21:47] <politoed> I do have some overscan problems as well
[21:48] <IT_Sean> wait... the official Deeb image defaults to a UK keyboard layou, but DOESN'T default to PAL output? O.o
[21:48] <raymohi> that is odd
[21:48] <IT_Sean> it is.
[21:48] <D-side> i can only imagine the testing was only done via hdmi
[21:48] <D-side> that's the only excuse
[21:49] <IT_Sean> that's poor testing
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[21:49] <D-side> lol
[21:49] <D-side> that's no argument
[21:49] <politoed> isn't uk ntsc?
[21:49] <D-side> no
[21:49] <IT_Sean> no
[21:49] <politoed> I remember my NES not outputting colours
[21:50] <politoed> and I thought it was bought there
[21:50] <D-side> only japan and the US iirc
[21:50] <politoed> maybe it was in the us
[21:50] <politoed> I've been wrong all this time |:
[21:51] <rasp7aa> uk is pal
[21:52] <politoed> yay, got colour :D now to adjust the overscan
[21:53] <IT_Sean> there is a line in the config for that
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[22:00] <arthurdent> is pibot running on a raspberry pi?
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[22:00] <frankivo> 21:58 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from PiBot: irssi v0.8.15 - running on Linux x86_64
[22:00] <frankivo> i guess not
[22:01] <D34TH> -D34TH- VERSION XChat-WDK 1503 [x64] / Windows 7 [3.21GHz]
[22:01] <D34TH> D:
[22:01] <frankivo> xchat is nice
[22:01] <frankivo> best gui-irc imo
[22:02] <amelia_> PiBot needn't run a GUI, however, irssi is lower overheads and much more customisable
[22:03] <amelia_> plus, irssi + screen = your IRC, wherever you are :P
[22:03] <IT_Sean> hmm... one of our customers appears to have dropped off the face of hte planet.
[22:03] <D-side> what services does your org provide?
[22:03] <IT_Sean> are you talking to me?
[22:03] <D-side> yeah, sorry
[22:03] <D-side> should have directed
[22:04] <IT_Sean> I work for a device manufacturer.
[22:04] <D-side> ah.
[22:04] <D-side> hopefully its not a big customer.
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[22:05] <politoed> http://db.tt/d5125odU works \o/ thanks for the help
[22:05] <frankivo> amelia_: i'm on irssi ;)
[22:05] <IT_Sean> I use irssi on my linux machine
[22:05] <amelia_> I'll let you off, then :P
[22:06] <IT_Sean> I'm using colloquy now, though, on my iPad
[22:06] <amelia_> :O
[22:06] <IT_Sean> what!?
[22:06] <D-side> i used to use rooms.
[22:06] <D-side> god, colloquy is better
[22:06] <amelia_> BLASPHEMYYYY!!!! PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE! FONDLESLAB! FOOOOOOONDLESLABBBBB!!!
[22:06] <D-side> oh boy.
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[22:06] <IT_Sean> hey, it's the ONLY way for me to irc from work! ipad over 3G
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[22:06] <amelia_> Nosnense - phone running Replicant with a Free IRC client ;)
[22:07] <amelia_> also, work is for work! -- slacker! :P
[22:07] <amelia_> No Pi for you!
[22:07] <IT_Sean> :o
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[22:07] <IT_Sean> no fair!
[22:07] <D-side> i reiterate
[22:07] <IT_Sean> :(
[22:07] <D-side> oh boy.
[22:07] <IT_Sean> besides, i have dibs!
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[22:07] <steveccc> gparted seems to be installed on my pi but i cant access it - can anyone help
[22:08] <frankivo> ssh + screen + irssi = win
[22:08] <D-side> man i can't wait to get this thing home and mess with it
[22:08] <IT_Sean> what do yo u mean, you "cannot access" it?
[22:08] <shaulkr> tero: If you're still there, I think I can help
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[22:10] <amelia_> frankivo: agreed :P
[22:10] * IT_Sean pokes steveccc
[22:11] <steveccc> its ok sorry - figured i needed to set su password and am in now.
[22:11] <IT_Sean> okeh then
[22:12] <chancellorsmith> ssh + screen + irssi = win <- am planning to give this a go
[22:13] <steveccc> whats the best disk manager on debian?
[22:13] <amelia_> chancellorsmith: you should
[22:13] <rasp7aa> chancellorsmith: I'm using the same setup right now
[22:13] <rasp7aa> chancellorsmith: but without a screen
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[22:14] <chancellorsmith> my pi is headless
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[22:14] <chancellorsmith> ssh in??? perfick
[22:14] <rasp7aa> yeah
[22:14] <raymohi> rasp7aa: not a screen but screen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[22:15] <rasp7aa> oh interesting
[22:15] <rasp7aa> I just use multiple ssh sessions :)
[22:15] <raymohi> First thing I put on all of my linux boxes
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[22:17] <chancellorsmith> raymohi: i used to use it a lot - been while - it's time to bring it back home on the pi, perfect.
[22:17] <chancellorsmith> have forgotten the keyboard moves ctrl+ something or other detach etc
[22:18] <adamaze> so i think i saw someone say this before, but what is a good operating temp of the main chip on the board?
[22:18] <IT_Sean> isn't it esc #
[22:18] <IT_Sean> ?
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> 45C is typical
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[22:19] <adamaze> ok that is what im at.
[22:19] <adamaze> for some reason i thought someone said earlier that it shouldnt get above body temp
[22:19] <IT_Sean> I said that.
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[22:19] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean is not human.
[22:19] <IT_Sean> That's the official statement
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> His body temperature is 84C.
[22:20] <IT_Sean> hush you
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> He can fry eggs on the flat portions of his pincers.
[22:20] <adamaze> mine sits at 45C at idle (just after booting)
[22:21] * IT_Sean resists the temptation to say something crude at this juncture
[22:21] <nplus> anyone here had any luck with running java programs?
[22:21] <shaulkr> I have
[22:21] <shaulkr> Startup is slow, but then they're fine
[22:21] <neure> hmmh
[22:21] <shaulkr> I ran AirReceiver
[22:21] <neure> anyone tried to build cross compiler toolchain?
[22:22] <neure> i get this with crosstool-ng: [INFO ] Retrieving needed toolchain components' tarballs [WARN ] Could not retrieve 'eglibc-2_15'
[22:22] <nplus> shaulkr: what JVM did you use?
[22:22] <shaulkr> IcedTea
[22:23] <shaulkr> The standard one in squeeze
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[22:23] <nplus> hmm ok, and you didn't use the cacao flag?
[22:23] <shaulkr> Cacao flag?
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[22:24] <nplus> http://c1.complang.tuwien.ac.at/cacaowiki/FrontPage
[22:24] <nplus> or.. "CACAO is a Java Virtual Machine (JVM) which uses Just-In-Time (JIT) compilation to execute Java methods natively."
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> Does it understand ARM?
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> It needs to, in order to work at all
[22:25] <shaulkr> Sounds like the regular VM..
[22:25] <shaulkr> Does it have any advantages over the regular one?
[22:26] <nplus> someone on the forums said it was better for the pi
[22:26] <rasp7aa> adamaze: how are you measuring the temp?
[22:27] <nplus> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5111
[22:27] <nplus> near the end
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[22:29] <shaulkr> mredeker says it's faster than ZeroVM, not IcedTea
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[22:30] <nplus> in any case, using cacao was giving me issues so I was curious as to how you were running
[22:30] <shaulkr> This seems relevant: https://blogs.oracle.com/jtc/entry/comparing_jvms_on_arm_linux
[22:31] <ender|> can i swap the SD card while raspberry pi is on if my / isn't on the card (and i have no other partitions mounted from the card either)?
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[22:31] <nplus> thanks
[22:32] <shaulkr> Looks like the regular IcedTea is faster than Cacao, and Oracle's official one is way faster than both
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[22:36] <amelia_> shaulkr: perhaps, but IceaTea = freedom, which beats Oracle's offerings, however speedier they may be
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[22:37] <shaulkr> True
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[22:38] <steveccc> can anyone think of a reason why gparted would keep crashing when trying to format an empty partition on the sd card?
[22:38] <shaulkr> Unless you're a big company who would rather have Oracle's support
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[22:39] <shaulkr> steveccc: What's the error?
[22:39] <steveccc> shaulkr: not sure it just crashes and then wont reopen until i have rebooted
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[22:40] <shaulkr> steveccc: Try running it in a terminal so you can see the error
[22:40] <ender|> steveccc: tried creating the partitions manually?
[22:40] <neure> anyone built a cross compiler for raspbian?
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[22:42] <steveccc> just creating the partition manually now
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[22:43] <BeGamer> Hey.
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[22:45] <BeGamer> @Cheery Did you ask me to try and contact you via the RPi Forums? (:
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[22:51] <Cheery> BeGamer: yes
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[22:51] <mwschib> sorry for the stupid question, but I just received my pi. I am wondering, is it normal for the OK LED to flicker/flash randomly?
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[22:51] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[22:51] <IT_Sean> that's indicating SD access
[22:51] <mwschib> I assume this is to indicate i/o .. but i'm concerned I may have a bad power supply
[22:52] <mwschib> ah ok, thanks
[22:52] <IT_Sean> ^
[22:52] <Oooch> Ohh is that what that does
[22:52] <IT_Sean> Aye.
[22:52] <amelia_> I can't use my power cable with the existing Pi case.. I like the adafruit one, but don't like the idea of shipping
[22:52] <mwschib> just wondered since my LCD doesn't seem to like the hdmi resolution, and it worked ok on my tv. I thought maybe I got lucky on the 2nd attempt
[22:54] <mjr> it's perchance slightly misleading to label a flashing-by-design led "OK"
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[22:55] <amelia_> mwschib: what's the resolution issue you're having?
[22:55] <mwschib> amelia_: my monitor won't switch from standby to on. I have confirmed that it works with an LCD tv and hdmi input though
[22:55] <IT_Sean> I think the decision to pipe SD access to it was amde AFTER the decision to call it the "OK" led.
[22:55] * IT_Sean shruugs
[22:56] <mwschib> amelia_: i'm using an hdmi -> dvi adapter on my monitor
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[22:57] <mwschib> i'm sure it is just my monitor. I will test it at my college next time i'm there on one of their displays
[22:58] <IT_Sean> i'm off
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[23:00] <dupondje> Bleh, can't get OpenELEC working
[23:02] <dupondje> *** Error in mount_disks: mount_common: Could not mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 ***
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[23:02] <dupondje> why oh why :)
[23:02] <neure> dupondje, which distro?
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[23:03] <Cheery> if there are people interested about osdeving on raspberry pi.. I started a channel: #raspberrypi-osdev
[23:03] <dupondje> neure: OpenELEC
[23:04] <neure> wtf is that?
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[23:04] <neure> anyway i could not even boot some distros
[23:04] <neure> due to mmc issues
[23:04] <neure> raspbian booted fine
[23:04] <dupondje> debian squeeze worked here also
[23:04] <dupondje> OpenELEC not :(
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[23:05] <neure> then use a distro that works?
[23:06] <Moofie> having trouble with openelec here as well...
[23:06] <adamaze> is anyone here using the latest debian image from the raspi site?
[23:06] <Oooch> I use raspbmc
[23:07] <adamaze> well if you are, when you "sudo su", then run "history" you can see the last commands they used to prepare the build :)
[23:07] <dupondje> Moofie: what error ? :)
[23:07] <Moofie> TV shows this: *** Error in mount_disks: mount_common: could not mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 ***
[23:07] <neure> solution: drop openelec for now
[23:07] <Moofie> testing the card again with debian to see if that is working
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[23:08] <dupondje> Moofie: exact same issue here
[23:09] <dupondje> debian is working
[23:09] <Moofie> yup, card boots fine with debian image
[23:09] <Moofie> it's an emtec 8GB class 10 SDHC card (not in the list on the wiki)
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[23:09] <Maxxx> Hi
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[23:10] <Moofie> btw, should raspbmc be pingable on the network by default? ssh?
[23:10] <Maxxx> I ordered my Pi on 21.5. on RSonline with expected shipping within 3 weeks ... is this still realistic?
[23:11] <rasp7aa> no
[23:11] <dupondje> Maxxx: ordered it 17/05, got it today
[23:11] <dupondje> so yes
[23:11] <rasp7aa> it'll probably arrive within a week
[23:11] <beardface> wow.
[23:11] <beardface> that is pretty great
[23:11] <beardface> I ordered Feb 29
[23:11] <beardface> got it a week ago
[23:11] <Maxxx> Do you get a shipping confirmation? or a tracking number?
[23:11] <dupondje> lol Moofie exact same card here :)
[23:11] <rasp7aa> beardface: rs didn't have orders then
[23:11] <beardface> I knw
[23:11] <Moofie> :)
[23:12] <gmjhowe> http://flic.kr/p/bV5NzH
[23:12] <beardface> just saying 2 - 3 weeks is great
[23:12] <rasp7aa> beardface: and you didn't order, you pre-ordered
[23:12] <dupondje> Moofie from the MediaMarkt prolly :P
[23:12] <Moofie> ehm, yep :p
[23:12] <rasp7aa> RS didn't allow orders until they had stock
[23:12] <rasp7aa> So you can't compare the two
[23:12] <beardface> Oh, I can, and will compare
[23:12] <beardface> it will just be a terrible comparison
[23:13] <Maxxx> Do you get a shipping confirmation? or a tracking number?
[23:14] <esotera|android> Maxxx: ordered a day after you with rs, it's been dispatched today and is supposed to get here in 24 hours.
[23:14] <Maxxx> esotera|android: WoW how does yours get shipped before mine?
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[23:15] <Moofie> I ordered from farnell on feb 29th, and registered interest at RS. the one from RS arrived first
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[23:15] <politoed> i ordered on 16th of may with rscomponents
[23:15] <dupondje> Moofie: fetched version from 05/17, and seem to work ...
[23:15] <politoed> and it said 3 weeks
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[23:16] <politoed> I got it on the 31st
[23:16] <politoed> so, it took 2 weeks instead of 3
[23:16] <Moofie> dupondje, you mean from openelec?
[23:16] <esotera|android> Maxx: I didn't order immediately after getting the email
[23:16] <dupondje> Moofie: yep
[23:16] <Maxxx> politoed: Did you get an shipping confirmation with tracking number or not?
[23:17] <Moofie> dupondje, where is the link to that image?
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[23:17] <politoed> Maxxx: I did
[23:17] <Maxxx> ok
[23:17] <Maxxx> hoping to get it soon :D
[23:17] <Foxhoundz> this is weird
[23:17] <Mogwai> Anyone have any luck with qemu-system-arm on OSX lion? All I get is beachball .. tried compiling from source and through homebrew
[23:17] <politoed> actually, I'm not sure it's a tracking number, but it's a order reference one
[23:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> All the wonderful electrical components and gubbins I'm going to try hooking up to my Pi have shipped, whee!
[23:18] <Maxxx> Does anyone here need an RSonline order code?
[23:18] <politoed> I didn't bother much with that :P
[23:18] <dupondje> http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20120517204442-r11034.tar.bz2
[23:18] <Foxhoundz> dupondje: Thank!
[23:19] <Foxhoundz> s*
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[23:19] <Foxhoundz> I was looking to find a compiled image
[23:19] <Foxhoundz> I never compiled anything on Linux before
[23:19] <Foxhoundz> let alone a distro
[23:19] <Foxhoundz> In fact, I don't even primarily use Linux
[23:19] <Foxhoundz> Anyway
[23:19] * Foxhoundz goes back to work
[23:20] <Moofie> dupondje, thanks, will try that one
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[23:24] <cehteh> hmpf changing config.txt for another video mode doesnt give the intended results
[23:25] <cehteh> hdmi_group=2
[23:25] <cehteh> hdmi_mode=84
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[23:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> cehteh: legend has it that the hdmi_group options are now 0 and 1 instead of 1 and 2
[23:25] <cehteh> great docs :P
[23:26] <Mrgoose2> i made a raspberry pi case out of hte cardboard case it was shipped in
[23:26] <Mrgoose2> how awesome am i
[23:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm not sure if that's rumour, speculation, badgertalk or whatever... but it might be true, and it might be your problem
[23:26] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: that's the case for raspbian at least
[23:26] <cehteh> Mrgoose2: haha i was thinking about doing that too, but noticed actually 2-4 rpi would fit
[23:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> rasp7aa: aren't all config.txt's created equal? Otherwise confusion would ensue... to say nothing of multi-boot systems
[23:26] <cehteh> rpi cluster in a box1!!1!!
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[23:27] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm going to end up changing the wiki, aren't I... barrglglelglelellele
[23:28] <Maxxx> Still waiting for my pi... already have a GSM Modem here for a nice project :D
[23:28] <Maxxx> *modul
[23:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> GSM modems... everyone with their GSM!
[23:29] <cehteh> anyways tvservice doesnt offer 2048x1152 i guess the device just cant do it
[23:29] <Gadgetoid_Air> Solwise do an awesome one with an ethernet port in it :D
[23:30] <Xpl01t> Hey guys! I've made my order for one RPi, and I have the order number. Is there any way to see if my RPi was ship for delivery or not?
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> sitting down for a few moments... one last cake in the oven... victoria sandwitch number 1.
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> Xpl01t, RS in the UK provides a tracking code, Farnell/E14 doesn't.
[23:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Not cake again!
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[23:32] <Xpl01t> gordonDrogon: i ordered it by RS indeed. It was 16 days ago and I only have that order number. Can I see at least if it was ship for delivery or not? (in fact, it will be sent to south america..)
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[23:32] <gordonDrogon> Xpl01t, Ah. ok. it's not been delivered yet. you'll get an email when they actually deliver it.
[23:33] <Xpl01t> gordonDrogon: oh nice! Sorry for bothering you again, but is there any problable date for that?
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, 'fraid so... today I've made 2 lemon drizzles, 2 ultra rich chocolates, 3 coffee and walnuts and one vicky in the oven...
[23:33] <Xpl01t> when i made my order it says that it would be happening in 3 weeks (that will be in the next week)
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> Xpl01t, really don't know - when I got my invite email, I ordered then they said up to 3 weeks - then 2.5 weeks later they sent me an email saiying it had been dispatched and I got it 2 days later...
[23:34] <Xpl01t> gordonDrogon: oh nice. 2,5 weeks later for me will be in 2 days :)
[23:34] <Xpl01t> thanks for your help :D
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> tomorow one more vicky sandwitch and 100 mini cupcakes...
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[23:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: coffee and walnut, nom nom.... I feel a holiday to the south west coming on
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[23:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'll track you down by your Pi signature
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[23:36] <cehteh> will undervoltaging also set the fuse indicating that played with the voltages and void warranty?
[23:36] <amelia_> I wish Farnell would say something to me.. I want my cute limited edition preorder t-shirt :P
[23:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or... your *dons glasses* PIE signature
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, Hehe... my address isn't hard to find!!!
[23:36] * amelia_ runs over Gadgetoid_Air's glasses
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[23:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yeah gordonDrogon, such is the nature of anyone with more than a cursory internet presence
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> It's not a problem really.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> I've had my domain name since 1995 ...
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> Record created on 13-Aug-1995
[23:38] <dupondje> Somebody here who has a remote control ? :)
[23:38] <amelia_> The joys of PrivacyProtect.org :D
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[23:39] <gordonDrogon> Oddly enough I thought it was the year before that though... Hm. I was living in the US at the time...
[23:39] <neofutur> amelia_: ireceived my pi before farnell even tell me its shipped . . .
[23:39] <neofutur> and they never answered my emails after I ordered . . .
[23:39] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: your whois has an address
[23:39] <neofutur> but I wont complain too much i received my order ;)
[23:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's not like addresses are a secret... most houses have the number written on the door
[23:39] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: I mean your website whois
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, Yes, I know.
[23:40] <rasp7aa> pretty cool that: Record created on 13-Aug-1995
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> same email address since then.
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> although I'm pretty sure I actually created it before then. let me check my CV thing...
[23:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> That's an impressive length of time to retain an email address
[23:41] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: Not really if you own the domain
[23:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> Most people are strangely fickle when it comes to them
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> I get an impressuve amout of spam :)
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> I've more or less given up trying to hide my email address online, etc. I just deal with it.
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[23:42] <rasp7aa> wow you live right on the edge of dartmore
[23:42] <rasp7aa> *moor
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> I missed out on drogon.com - back then you never really thought about "protecting" stuff like that.
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> Yup. it's a great place to live.
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> http://moorbakes.co.uk/ is our cookery business..
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> moor being a pun on more and dartMoor ... :)
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> it seemed like a good idea at the time...
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[23:44] <amelia_> they always do :P
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> So I have 2 more breadboards. what can I do with them now :)
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[23:46] <rasp7aa> give me one
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[23:46] <gordonDrogon> cake check. back in a few.
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[23:47] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: I think I've found the courtyard your webcam was spying on
[23:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: my wife does sugar flowers, if you ever need a supplier for that sort of thing :D
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, neat. my wife just uses roll-out icing and cutters :)
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, it's called Kingcome Court.
[23:49] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: Yeah, the google street view car poked it's head in
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> cakes needed turning. the oven is good, but doesn't heat too evenly. another 10-15.
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[23:49] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, the purple house with the scaffolding is mine.
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> well, it's lilac with purple doors & gates.
[23:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ooo, just found a crazy concept on my server... does anyone know if this would actually work or has been done?: http://www.gadgetoid.com/RechargeAndStore.jpg
[23:52] <rasp7aa> I can see the shed!
[23:52] <Oooch> Where do I buy one
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, Yes - through the alleyway. the window above the alley is my office - where 'm sitting now :)
[23:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oooch: presumably when someone steals my idea, implements it as a working product by figuring out all the real details, ???, profit?
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, if you can do the mechanicals the rest is relatively easy.
[23:54] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: Meh what stops it overcharging?
[23:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: i wonder if an electromagnet would hold the battery
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[23:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> So it can just drop it out of the bottom when it's done charging
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[23:54] <shaulkr> Gadgetoid_Air: You would also need to move the contacts
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> you need a carousell thing, so a battery keeps the same terminals through charging - then a way to get power to them as it rotates about.
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[23:55] <rasp7aa> do people normally have that many rechargables?
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> Well, I used to - lots of things - e.g. everyone here has a torch as it's dark on the moor...
[23:55] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: make one for cr123a
[23:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> Not sure what happens if a battery you put in later charges faster than a battery already in the system... aahhhh!
[23:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> explosions?
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[23:56] <gordonDrogon> no - you can detect if the charger has inteligence.
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[23:56] <rasp7aa> make it so it so it can only use the batteries with the pcbs
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[23:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> I suspect it could all be pulled off quite effectively, but it's probably a solution to a problem which doesn't really exist.. .even though I've got tons of batteries and would love one myself
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> http://i.huffpost.com/gen/303059/TWEET-FIRE.jpg
[23:57] <haltdef> anyone happen to have a logitech g510? eying one up
[23:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: eee! I need that poster for our office!
[23:58] <amelia_> I want :P
[23:58] <rasp7aa> haltdef: get a das
[23:58] <haltdef> no
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[23:58] <gordonDrogon> cake check again. back in 5.
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[23:59] <haltdef> order today here saturday
[23:59] <haltdef> <3 prime
[23:59] <arthurdent> <3
[23:59] <haltdef> not you

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