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IRC Log for 2012-06-08

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[0:00] <arthurdent> i was just showing my love for prime
[0:00] <haltdef> oh
[0:00] <Oooch> He is prime
[0:00] <haltdef> I'm still on my free trial
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[0:00] <haltdef> got it extended by a month because the first prime delivery was a day late
[0:00] <arthurdent> i've talked my mom into paying for it for me every year as a birthday gift or chrismas gift or something i dunno
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[0:01] <haltdef> their fault for using royal mail large letter, isn't guaranteed next day :P
[0:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> Optimus Prime?
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[0:01] <arthurdent> wow that's a lucky break
[0:01] <arthurdent> amazon'
[0:02] <arthurdent> prime is one of those words
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[0:02] <haltdef> responded to me whining quickly, extra month out of it, everything's been fine since
[0:02] <arthurdent> that sounds weird when you think about it too hard
[0:02] <haltdef> I'm sold
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[0:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've had netflix free for the past few months, to try it out... I think they should double their price and beat the movie studios 'round the head 'til they get some worthwhile content
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[0:04] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: I thought it was only free for one month?
[0:04] <arthurdent> even if they had twice the selection nobody would pay almost $20/mo for netflix instant
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[0:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> rasp7aa: unless you're me :P
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[0:04] <arthurdent> and they do have a good selection if you don't only use instant
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[0:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> I blag for a hobby, thus "Gadgetoid"
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> ok. looking fine. 10 minutes to cool in their tins and I'll turn them out.
[0:06] <arthurdent> making raspberry pies?
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> not yet - raspberries aren't in season..
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> but when they are, i'll invent & cook the definitive raspberry pie!
[0:07] <frankivo> I have strawberries :P
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> yea, I have strawberry jam to go on the scones...
[0:08] <arthurdent> there is a farmstand nearby that has these $3 boxes of food that are like... too old to sell, i guess, but still good
[0:08] <arthurdent> they're enormous... like 6lbs of ripe vegetables for $3
[0:08] <arthurdent> yesterday i had an amazing salad and corn on the cob
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[0:08] <haltdef> you in the US?
[0:08] <arthurdent> yeah
[0:08] <haltdef> prime's 2 day there, isn't it
[0:09] <arthurdent> 3kg of ripe vegetables for 1.5 euros
[0:09] <arthurdent> roughly
[0:09] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: cook a Pi shaped raspberry Pi... with all the ports and components fleshed out in raspberry goodness
[0:09] <arthurdent> 2.5 euros*
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[0:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> Does it annoy anyone else when actors are pretending to be stuck to the floor due to abnormally high gravity and yet their hair is still perfect?
[0:10] * PiBot sets mode +v tr-808
[0:10] <arthurdent> 2 gbp
[0:10] <arthurdent> what are you watching/
[0:10] <Maxxx> http://www.ebay.de/itm/180901803872?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649#ht_500wt_1156
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[0:10] <Maxxx> If you want it
[0:10] <arthurdent> a simple solution would be to make them sweaty from having to put up with all the extra gravity, and then grease their hair down to look heavy
[0:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> arthurdent: I'd buy all the vegetables and freeze me up food for the next year :D
[0:11] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: Does it annoy anyone else when actors are pretending to go through walls that then they don't fall through the floor to the centre of the earth?
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[0:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> arthurdent: I don't think the markers of andromeda had the budget for grease, aaaha
[0:11] <arthurdent> rasp7aa: lol
[0:11] <arthurdent> yes.
[0:11] <arthurdent> and then i think about why they would be affected by gravity at all if they're etherial
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[0:12] <rasp7aa> ghosts are so affected by gravity
[0:12] <arthurdent> why?
[0:12] <arthurdent> they have no mass
[0:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> If you could figure out the technology to pass through a wall, I suspect you could probably solve that minor problem :D
[0:12] <rasp7aa> because I said so]
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[0:20] <D-side> gotta get the keymap changed
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[0:25] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, someone will need to make me a Pi shapes pie case :)
[0:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: a Pi logo pie case should be standard merchandise!
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[0:26] <amelia_> gordonDrogon: there are some, basic acrylic cases with a pi-shaped top
[0:26] <amelia_> :D
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[0:31] * hagg wonders if it is possible to bake it into a real pie
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[0:35] <D-side> bleh this thing is being a C and i'm getting angry
[0:36] <SirFunk> Anyone aware of a nano usb 802.11 adapter that works powered off the board?
[0:36] <SirFunk> most of the entries on the wiki don't mention if they can be powered from the board or not
[0:36] <andatche> Edimax EW-7811Un works a treat
[0:36] <andatche> running headless though, so no mouse/kb to power
[0:37] <andatche> it's also managing to power a usb webcam at the same time
[0:37] <SirFunk> yeah, i'd be headless too
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[0:37] <SirFunk> andatche: damn that's cheap too! :-D
[0:38] <SirFunk> do these nano ones have cruddy reception?
[0:38] <andatche> been using it about a week and it's been fine
[0:38] <andatche> reception seems as good as any other usb adapter I've tried
[0:38] <PhonicUK> Hexxeh, you about?
[0:39] <andatche> you'll need to build a kernel module for it, the mainline kernel driver does't work
[0:40] <mythos> andatche, which driver does it use?
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[0:41] <andatche> I'm using this one http://nathan.chantrell.net/downloads/raspberry_pi/rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.0.2164.20110715.tar.gz
[0:42] <andatche> the rtl8192cu mainline driver doesn't work properly
[0:42] <mythos> *brr... i have two sticks here with that chip
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[0:43] <andatche> the driver provided by edimax wouldn't built against a 3.x kernel iirc
[0:43] * cehteh wonders what the reasons are that the fuses are so small .. requirement to label it for <1A psu's?
[0:44] <reider59> Just setting up my 7811UN I got today
[0:45] <SirFunk> I don't even know what I want to do with my raspberry pi :-p
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[0:45] <reider59> Brilliant, doesn`t seem slow at all
[0:45] <cehteh> pack it back in the box and send it to me
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[0:47] <SirFunk> cehteh: hehe
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[0:49] <cehteh> anyone noticed that the big cap at the input is heated by the regulator, not nice
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[0:52] <plugwash> cehteh, I think the reason the USB polyswitches were made so small was to try and stop a bad USB device resetting the entire Pi
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[0:52] <plugwash> but it was a bad idea and i'd advise anyone having USB power problems and confident enough at soldering to bridge them out
[0:52] <cehteh> mhm 4.5V at input .. i shouldnt power it from the bicycle reecharge, thats not capable enough
[0:52] <cehteh> plugwash: well if the main fuse would be 1.5A then the usb fuses could be 250ma
[0:53] <plugwash> yeah but that assumes that the PSU itself doesn't cut out before that point
[0:53] <plugwash> and take down everything
[0:53] <cehteh> i ordered a 2A psu
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[0:53] <plugwash> still I think the polyfuses on the USB were more trouble than they are worth.
[0:54] <cehteh> i think its important to have some fuses to ensure the board doesnt blow .. but if it becomes unstable, who is to blame
[0:54] <plugwash> IMO the slight risk of an unsheduled reboot is less of a problem than flaky USB devices because of high volt drop in those polyswitches
[0:55] <cehteh> fuses should protect against broken cables, short circruits and overly ill designed devices
[0:55] <plugwash> cehteh, agreed but it's OK for things to crash when that happens
[0:55] <plugwash> as long as they aren't permanently damaged
[0:55] <cehteh> i may replace them someday
[0:55] <plugwash> So all you really need is one fuse at the input keeping the current below trace frying levels
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[0:56] <cehteh> well different traces fry at different levels .. and its known that some usb devices are rough
[0:56] <cehteh> its ok to have fuses at the usb ports imo (but one 500ma fuse instead 2 would do)
[0:57] <plugwash> If using a smallish PSU you probablly don't need any fusing at all as the PSU will collapse before currents reach trace frying levels
[0:57] <cehteh> and would saved 1 cent :)
[0:57] <cehteh> yep
[0:57] <plugwash> I mean sure i'd fuse things if I hooked Pis up to the PSU I bought for bulk charging of sensor nodes
[0:58] <plugwash> which is 5V 40A
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[0:58] <plugwash> but small wall warts rated at a few amps don't need it IMO
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[0:59] <cehteh> anyways .. my pi runs stable at 950 mhz :) (no overvoltage)
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[1:01] <DaQatz> cehteh: Nice
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[1:03] <cehteh> now i need to take the best speed out of the sdcard ..
[1:03] <cehteh> ReggieUK: what how far did you work on that?
[1:04] <cehteh> zram is also the next best thing since sliced bread
[1:04] <cehteh> .o(i saied that already, did i?)
[1:06] <cehteh> http://public.pipapo.org/mkzswap
[1:06] <IT_Sean> What is the best thing BEFORE sliced bread?
[1:06] <cehteh> baking oven .. didnt you know?
[1:06] <Oooch> Just non-sliced bread
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[1:07] <cehteh> ^^ if anyone wanna try .. needs zram support in the kernel
[1:07] <IT_Sean> oh.
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[1:11] <shirro> cehteh: stable at 950? Does stable cover checking out a large project with git and compiling it?
[1:11] <cehteh> yes
[1:12] <cehteh> actually i am git gc the kernel tree .. compiling kernel later again :)
[1:12] <cehteh> but if git gc holds then everything holds :P
[1:13] <rasp7aa> new uptime record, 10 hours
[1:13] <shirro> wow. very lucky. Even at 1G with overvolt I find my opengl animation dies unexpectedly after awhile which I think might be due to the core freq overclock. I can't seem to be able to get beyond 850/450 arp/sdram without seeing something unexplained eventually
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[1:15] <cehteh> running headless here
[1:15] <cehteh> trying opengl may change things
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[1:16] <cehteh> gpu_freq=350 arm_freq=950 sdram_freq=500
[1:16] <shirro> cehteh: how does zswap work for you? I am struggling to see why I should give up ram for it
[1:16] <cehteh> extremely well
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[1:16] <SpeedEvil> shirro: It effectively multiplies your swap device bandwidth
[1:17] <cehteh> huh?
[1:17] <cehteh> err zram not zswap
[1:17] <SpeedEvil> swapping compressed pages is more efficient
[1:17] <SpeedEvil> err
[1:17] * SpeedEvil just woke up
[1:17] <cehteh> compressing ram is better than swapping to external device
[1:18] <SpeedEvil> that too
[1:18] <shirro> cehteh: I am amazed by the gpu_freq. Have you hit that with heavy opengl? I get artifacts the moment I step mine up which saddens me. I really wanted gpu overclock
[1:18] <cehteh> shirro: headless .. i just added that, but untested yet
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[1:19] <shirro> cehteh: the gpu doesn't overclock as easily as the arm for me. It barely overclocks at all. The arm is pretty good.
[1:19] <cehteh> ah ok
[1:19] <cehteh> is stellarium in the repos .. lets test :)
[1:20] <shirro> I haven't looked but I doubt it has opengl es rendering and I doubt if anyone has patched it to use dispmanx for the videocore
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[1:20] <shirro> cehteh: what distro are you using?
[1:20] <plugwash> cehteh, squeeze armel: yes wheezy armel: yes raspbian: yes
[1:20] <cehteh> i have stellarium installed on my n900 works reasonable well there with opengles
[1:21] <cehteh> *installing
[1:21] <shirro> cehteh: if it has a gles backend I will go grab the source later then. It will need to be hacked to work on the Pi. If it has Opengl ES the hack is trivial
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[1:21] <cehteh> is opengles supported in the X11 from debian?
[1:22] <shirro> no. it runs on a special native window system called dispmanx (which also provides the framebuffer)
[1:22] <shirro> you can run it within X but you write to a dispmanx layer that you overlay
[1:23] <cehteh> so native apps dont automatically benefit from the fast graphics?
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[1:23] <shirro> there are ways to read the pixels from the gpu and copy them into an x window but it sucks performance
[1:23] <shirro> cehteh: no. this is custom territory. think pandora. think mobile
[1:24] <cehteh> eww
[1:24] <cehteh> ok then testing stellarium makes no sense
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[1:25] <shirro> I will go check stellarium out though. It is really good if people coming from n900 or pandora have knowledge of apps that have gles ports
[1:26] <cehteh> there is a stellarium port for opengles at least .. check the maemo repos and maybe contact upstream
[1:27] <cehteh> imo stellarium is one of the best eye-candy apps on linux :)
[1:28] <cehteh> when people look at my computer and cry "Eeeek linux .. sux .. console" then i start stellarium :)
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[1:33] <birdontophat> hello. my raspberry pi running Openelec doesn't always output the correct solution to my TV
[1:34] <birdontophat> sometimes it works. but most of the time give a "not supported" message
[1:34] <Syliss> thanks cehteh, totally going to install that on my mbp
[1:34] <birdontophat> any suggestions?
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[1:35] <cehteh> long cable?
[1:35] <cehteh> does the tv come out of some sleep? maybe it doesnt negotiate properly
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[1:36] <birdontophat> cable is pretty short
[1:36] <birdontophat> the TV is definitely on while I power on the pi
[1:36] <birdontophat> I've turned it off and on a few times
[1:36] <cehteh> no idea
[1:37] <cehteh> you can use /opt/vc/bin/tvservice to query and set resolution and also nail them down in /boot/config.txt
[1:38] <cehteh> (might not exist yet on your device)
[1:38] <cehteh> google for that
[1:38] <rasp7aa> birdontophat: Is it on the right channel?
[1:38] <birdontophat> i ran tvservice -s
[1:38] <birdontophat> state 0x14001a, 720x480 @ 60Hz, interlace
[1:38] <birdontophat> which is less than native
[1:38] <birdontophat> is what on the right channel? the TV?
[1:38] <rasp7aa> yeah
[1:38] <birdontophat> it's definitely set to the right input
[1:39] <cehteh> try tvservice -m CEA and tvservice -m DMT
[1:39] <cehteh> listing the modes
[1:39] <cehteh> well i cant get my monitor to native res either
[1:39] <cehteh> anyways i am planning to run headless most of the time
[1:39] <rasp7aa> my tv lies about it's native res
[1:40] <rasp7aa> but I don't blame it, it's a rebranded vestel.
[1:40] <D-side> your tv lies about its size
[1:40] <rasp7aa> I'd lie about my resolution too
[1:40] <D-side> your tv is a woman
[1:40] <birdontophat> weirdly, -m CEA says my native res is 1280x720 which is correct
[1:40] <birdontophat> doesn't seem to use it though
[1:40] <rasp7aa> you can force CEA
[1:41] <birdontophat> is that putting hdmi_mode into config.txt?
[1:41] <birdontophat> or something like that
[1:41] <rasp7aa> might be hdmi_group
[1:41] <birdontophat> I tried that earlier, didn't seem to work
[1:41] <rasp7aa> what number did you try?
[1:41] <birdontophat> 19 and then 4
[1:42] <rasp7aa> no, hdmi_group is different
[1:42] <rasp7aa> it only has 2 options
[1:42] <rasp7aa> CEA and DMT
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[1:42] <cehteh> didnt worked for me :P
[1:43] <rasp7aa> birdontophat: stick in hdmi_group 0
[1:43] <rasp7aa> hdmi_group=0 rather
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[1:45] <birdontophat> oh, that's worked
[1:45] <birdontophat> for now
[1:46] <birdontophat> hopefully it isn't a fluke and will be permanent this time
[1:46] <rasp7aa> are you using http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt ?
[1:46] <birdontophat> yeah, that's the page i was looking at
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[1:47] <cehteh> no way to get more than 1920x1080
[1:48] <birdontophat> cheers for the help
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[1:49] <Baneat> Can I run a few flash drives off an unpowered hub?
[1:51] <cehteh> depends .. likely not reliable
[1:51] <IT_Sean> not likely
[1:52] <cehteh> you can get approx 100mA from the rpi usb port
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[1:52] <cehteh> it would be hackable to provide more current if you really need and want to void your warranty
[1:52] <rasp7aa> what was the point of even providing two usb ports?
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[1:53] <IT_Sean> keyboard, mouse.
[1:53] <cehteh> at least you can plug a mouse and a keyboard without a hub
[1:53] <cehteh> if these dont suck too much power
[1:53] <rasp7aa> is that it?
[1:53] <cehteh> works for me
[1:54] <rasp7aa> but the thing can't even do x properly, so a mouse isn't needed
[1:54] <rasp7aa> one usb for keyboard, sorted.
[1:54] <cehteh> haha
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[1:55] <cehteh> well one for the hub and one for the keyboard then
[1:55] <birdontophat> or just ethernet, synergy/ssh
[1:55] <birdontophat> no USB devices required!
[1:55] <cehteh> yesterday i was at a electronics store here .. they have 16GB usb flash sticks as bulkware for 9eur ..
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[1:56] <cehteh> i was thinking about buying a bag and a big powered hub and then run raid10 on them
[1:56] <rasp7aa> birdontophat: I currently use 0 usb devices on my pi (apart from the usb ethernet) and I'm talking to from it!
[1:56] <cehteh> slow but cheap :)
[1:56] <rasp7aa> *to you
[1:57] <cehteh> anyone benchmarked the ethernet port yet? does it max out usb2?
[1:57] <rasp7aa> no
[1:57] <rasp7aa> 8-10MB/s max
[1:57] <Baneat> Mine just arrived today, I installed Raspbmc hopefully I didn't screw up and wipe my second HD or something
[1:57] <SpeedEvil> gigE is needed to max out
[1:57] <cehteh> mhm thats 100mbit speed?
[1:58] <cehteh> no gpu, arm dualcore, 1G ram, 2 ethernet, one usb .. that would be my dream rpi :) ... ah and add sata to it
[1:59] <cehteh> but i guess i am not the target audience then
[2:00] <ReggieUK> that sounds like your dream sheevaplug
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> It's sort-of-OK for what I want, but I want it to powersave properly
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> Down to perhaps 10mA tops
[2:00] <Baneat> ...where's the bloody power button
[2:00] <cehteh> haha
[2:00] <IT_Sean> ... power button?
[2:00] <cehteh> on my bicycle reecharge :)
[2:01] <cehteh> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/reecharge-power-pack << currently running the rpi from that
[2:01] <Baneat> so basically to turn it off you kill the power?
[2:01] <SpeedEvil> yes
[2:01] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[2:01] <IT_Sean> There is no power button
[2:02] <Baneat> fair enough
[2:02] <IT_Sean> Plugged in = on. Unplugged = off
[2:02] <cehteh> you shut it down (poweroff) and then can remove power
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[2:02] <cehteh> just remove power is a bit insane for the filesystems
[2:02] <Baneat> problem 2: it's asking for a user and pass but I can't actually type with my ub keyboard plugged in
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[2:02] <cehteh> ssh to it :)
[2:02] <legendaryish> hello all
[2:03] * SMJ is now known as smjms
[2:03] <cehteh> and some usb keyboard dont work as they draw too much power
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[2:03] <ReggieUK> have you got a mouse plugged in?
[2:04] <neure> someone know how to use git?
[2:04] <ReggieUK> unplug that and try and reboot maybe
[2:04] <Baneat> nah but I did have a deathadder plugged in and it was drawing power (light on)
[2:04] <Baneat> yeah I tried that
[2:04] <cehteh> neure: yes
[2:04] <neure> cehteh, how do i get myself this: https://github.com/elmindreda/glfw/pull/6
[2:04] <ReggieUK> got a powered usb hub?
[2:04] <Baneat> nope!
[2:04] <ReggieUK> you'll need one it would appear
[2:04] <Baneat> this thing's gonna need so many attachments to work :<
[2:04] <ReggieUK> check the back of your keyboard and see what current it's rated to
[2:05] <Baneat> brb then
[2:05] <ReggieUK> should be 100ma, 500ma etc.
[2:05] <Baneat> I saw V but not I
[2:05] <legendaryish> so I just got my Pi, what is the consensus on the best distro to use at the moment?
[2:05] <SpeedEvil> legendaryish: Win98SE
[2:05] <Crenn-NAS> legendaryish: Debian I think
[2:05] <cehteh> neure: git clone git://github.com/elmindreda/glfw.git
[2:05] <neure> debian didnt work for me
[2:05] <ReggieUK> stock debian, then update, upgrade, then install hexxeh's rpi-update and do that too
[2:05] <neure> cehteh, but how do i get that pull applied to my clone?
[2:06] <Crenn-NAS> SpeedEvil: Surely you jest, don't you mean MS-DOS?
[2:06] <Baneat> 30 milliAmperes
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[2:06] <neure> i had to use raspbian / pisces
[2:06] <ReggieUK> Baneat, for the keyboard?
[2:06] <ReggieUK> wow
[2:06] <Baneat> yes
[2:06] <cehteh> uh .. dunno thats github land .. you asked about git didnt you? :) .. lemme see
[2:06] <ReggieUK> that should entirely work
[2:06] <cehteh> i dont use github
[2:06] <Crenn-NAS> neure: Raspbian? Got a link for that?
[2:06] <neure> google knows
[2:06] <Baneat> well yeah my PS/2 runs at 75 mA
[2:06] <Crenn-NAS> Debian didn't work until I updated start.elf and kernal.img
[2:06] <ReggieUK> https://github.com/elmindreda/glfw
[2:06] <ReggieUK> go there
[2:07] <Baneat> could just try a different USB keyboard and cross my fingers..
[2:07] <cehteh> neure: isnt that just a branch?
[2:07] <ReggieUK> click on the 'ZIP' button
[2:07] <neure> ReggieUK, then what?
[2:07] <neure> cehteh, i suppose so
[2:07] <ReggieUK> or 'clone in windows' button
[2:07] <plugwash> Crenn-NAS, www.raspbian.org
[2:07] <Baneat> I don't see why it wouldn't work though because it runs on a proper computer just fine.
[2:07] <cehteh> neure: lemme check
[2:07] <Crenn-NAS> plugwash: Danke
[2:07] <ReggieUK> or alternatively RTFM
[2:07] <legendaryish> what about Raspbmc release 2?
[2:07] <neure> so how do i see what branches i have?
[2:07] <ReggieUK> Baneat, how are you powering the pi?
[2:07] <neure> and how do i switch to that branch?
[2:07] <cehteh> neure: git branch -r
[2:07] <neure> Crenn-NAS, http://www.raspbian.org/PiscesImages i believe
[2:07] <ReggieUK> ?
[2:08] <cehteh> neure: /query ...
[2:08] <Baneat> mini-USB connected to a USB>240V adapter
[2:08] <ReggieUK> do you have a miltimeter?
[2:08] <ReggieUK> multimeter*
[2:08] <Baneat> nope :/ I really need to get one
[2:08] <ReggieUK> indeed :)
[2:08] <plugwash> Crenn-NAS, is "Danke" supposed to mean thanks?
[2:08] <Baneat> but it should be about 1A yeah?
[2:08] <neure> git branch -r just says fatal: Not a git repository
[2:08] <ReggieUK> well, the 1A is quite important
[2:09] <Baneat> it's the setup I use to charge a kindle and a phone
[2:09] <ReggieUK> but just as important is that it can sustain the voltage at whatever current the pi needs to draw
[2:09] <neure> no, github pull request does not show up as branch
[2:09] <legendaryish> SpeedEvil: what about Raspbmc release 2
[2:09] <ReggieUK> should be ok then
[2:09] <ReggieUK> got another keyboard handy?
[2:09] <wizkidO57> raspberry pi is going on 6 days trying to process the bitcoin block chain...
[2:09] <legendaryish> Crenn-NAS: What about Raspbmc release 2?
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> wizkidO57: I tried that on my n900 about 9 months ago.
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> wizkidO57: It never finished after about 3 weeks
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[2:10] <wizkidO57> SpeedEvil: its close, only about 2000 blocks left
[2:10] <wizkidO57> but its getting exponentially slower
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[2:10] <Crenn-NAS> legendaryish: I'm using SSH only to work with my Pi as I don't have constant access to a HDMI monitor/TV
[2:11] <wizkidO57> Crenn-NAS: same...
[2:11] <Crenn-NAS> Need to get a HDMI to DVI adapter at some point
[2:11] <wizkidO57> i've had my poor pi's cpu maxed for almost a week straight now
[2:11] <Baneat> right this HP one is 50mA but worth a go, trying a different USB>240V as well
[2:11] <D-side> well
[2:11] <D-side> this isnt working aswell as i'd hoped
[2:12] <SpeedEvil> wizkidO57: Try cooking the worlds smallest omelette on the CPU
[2:12] <wizkidO57> Baneat: 50ma wont even light the LEDs...
[2:12] <IT_Sean> you NEED a 700ma supply, or better
[2:12] <wizkidO57> SpeedEvil: actually, infrared shows the CPU is only about 85F
[2:12] <IT_Sean> 50ma won't even come close to doing it.
[2:12] <SpeedEvil> wizkidO57: yeah - I know
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[2:13] <wizkidO57> actually, i think the bottleneck isnt CPU anymore
[2:13] <wizkidO57> its the lack of RAM
[2:13] <SpeedEvil> Is it swapping?
[2:13] <SpeedEvil> That's not gonna be pretty
[2:14] <raymohi> Swapping on an sd card never ends well
[2:14] <SpeedEvil> In principle, with a linearised defragmenting swapper, it shouldn't be too bad
[2:15] <cehteh> zram :)
[2:15] <neure> USB might be faster than sd card
[2:15] <raymohi> Even so SD card's have sucky i/o
[2:15] <neure> zzz
[2:15] <cehteh> well nokia patched the kernel to swap to mmc
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[2:16] <cehteh> which works more or less ... but breaks compcache
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[2:16] <cehteh> (zram successor)
[2:16] <cehteh> imo a no-go for the rpi
[2:16] <Foxhoundz> Would the Raspberry Pi cause radio interference with WiFi signals?
[2:17] <cehteh> no
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[2:17] <cehteh> (it has the CE compliance :P)
[2:17] <Foxhoundz> CE ~ European, yes?
[2:17] <cehteh> yes
[2:17] <Foxhoundz> I thought the EU had worse standards than the FCC
[2:18] <cehteh> nah
[2:18] <cehteh> well its prolly on pair with FCC and anyways it shouldnt cause much interference
[2:18] <cehteh> is the rpi shipped to the US? then the FCC should have took a look at it or?
[2:19] <cehteh> ah mine has a fcc sticker too
[2:19] <IT_Sean> feel free to peel that one off
[2:19] <IT_Sean> :p
[2:19] <IT_Sean> be back in a monute or so
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[2:20] <Baneat> wizkid057 I meant the keyboard not the P.S
[2:20] <wizkidO57> Baneat: oh, lol
[2:20] <Syliss> I'm really tempted to get enough amazon gift cards for the lap dock and make a special case for the pi and use that when i know i won't need my mbp
[2:21] <Baneat> I'm reasonably sure it's an amp supply
[2:21] <Baneat> is SSHing into it difficult?
[2:21] <D-side> hah so
[2:22] <D-side> raspbmc is pretty stripped down
[2:22] <D-side> like, all the nic kernel mods
[2:22] <Baneat> ugh nvm apparently if you can't type on an rPi you can't get SSH set up
[2:22] <cehteh> Baneat: what distro do you use?
[2:22] <Baneat> I don't know what's wrong with it at all, I've tried two different power supplies and two different keyboards
[2:22] <cehteh> debian has sshd running
[2:23] <rasp7aa> cehteh: not by default
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[2:23] <Baneat> I put Raspbmc on it but the problem is I can't sign in even once
[2:23] <cehteh> uh not? .. ok scratch that :)
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[2:23] <cehteh> Baneat: whats the problem exactly?
[2:23] <Baneat> it's prompting for user+pass, but neither of my keyboards seem to be powered
[2:23] <Baneat> and they're not high powered at all
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[2:24] <cehteh> you dont have a powered hub?
[2:24] <IT_Sean> do ANY USB devices work???
[2:24] <Baneat> Yeah my razer deathadder was getting powered
[2:24] <Baneat> no I don't have a powered hub
[2:24] <cehteh> how should he find out without being able to log in? :)
[2:24] <Baneat> it's glowing blue :D
[2:25] <D-side> i'm returning my pile of crap usb2.0 powered hub
[2:25] <D-side> in fact i may do that right now
[2:25] <Baneat> but on either of the keyboards pressing numlock doesn't switch the LED
[2:25] <IT_Sean> ok, so, it gets POWER, but, does the USB port pass DATA?
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[2:25] <IT_Sean> hmm.
[2:25] <IT_Sean> :/
[2:25] <cehteh> big keyboards?
[2:25] <IT_Sean> can you enable SSH and SSH into the pi?
[2:26] <Baneat> 30 and 50mA keyboards
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[2:26] * cehteh has an ultra cheap small notebook style one. that works
[2:26] <Baneat> nah I can't do anything at all without a keyboard at least for a while
[2:26] <cehteh> thats strange .. 50mA should work
[2:26] <IT_Sean> i'm wondering if his USB ports are buggered
[2:26] <cehteh> me too
[2:26] <Baneat> that'd be a damn shame
[2:26] <IT_Sean> Does it show up on your network if you plug in a network cable????
[2:27] <Baneat> um.. I have ethernet plugged in
[2:27] <cehteh> the leds are lit?
[2:27] <Baneat> but how would I see it from this computer?
[2:27] <IT_Sean> check your router's config page
[2:27] <cehteh> dhcp on the network?
[2:27] <cehteh> arp?
[2:27] <cehteh> yes router may provide the connected devices too
[2:28] <IT_Sean> see if it's on the network.
[2:28] <IT_Sean> If the network port works properly, your USB is working, most likely.
[2:28] <cehteh> it should be doable to rig the sd-card to start a sshd
[2:28] <cehteh> but the usb ports should work anyways
[2:29] <IT_Sean> yes, they SHOULD work, but, it looks like they do not.
[2:29] * wizkidO57 is now known as wizkid057
[2:29] <IT_Sean> which is why i want to know if he can SSH in
[2:29] <IT_Sean> 'cause then we can test it w/ a flash drive or something
[2:31] <Baneat> 2 secs
[2:31] <Baneat> router config page:
[2:31] <silent___> has anyone tried (at succeeded) compiling the latest Node.js stable release (0.6.19) on their pi? I tried using the instructions I found for compiling 0.6.15 but hit some errors.
[2:31] <Baneat> damn forgot its IP
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[2:32] <Baneat> oh, just unplugged it >.> I'm going to install debian onto the SD card first then try again
[2:32] <rasp7aa> raspbian
[2:33] <Baneat> you wot
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[2:35] <Crenn-NAS> Off to work I go, you all behave yourselves now ;P
[2:36] <Baneat> will the write speed of my SD card affect the stream rate for media over local network?
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[2:49] <silent__thought> Baneat: Just my guess, but I wouldn't think so unless you are transcoding
[2:49] <Baneat> all right cause this SD card is slooow :P
[2:50] <Baneat> But um.. I kinda screwed the card up
[2:50] <Baneat> it says it's 64mb in size now
[2:50] <Baneat> and disk management in windows won't let me extend it back to the full 2GB
[2:50] <silent__thought> Ouch.
[2:50] <cehteh> boot your linux :P
[2:51] <silent__thought> btw. Anyone here running Arch on their pi?
[2:51] <Oooch> Baneat I had to use paragon partition manager to fix it
[2:51] <Baneat> Shareware :<
[2:51] <Baneat> What's available on fedora 17 that can do this?
[2:51] <Baneat> oh, right, never mind >.> Fedora can't even see any of my SD readers so that's out of the window
[2:52] <Oooch> Pirate it? lol
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[2:53] <amelia_> Yarrrrrr, pirate it :P
[2:53] <plugwash> Baneat, if you delete all partitions from a SD card windows will let you create a new full sized one
[2:53] <Oooch> Shouldn't have to pay for software just because windows manager sucks shit
[2:53] <Baneat> I tried that
[2:53] <Baneat> it won't let me delete the final primary partition
[2:53] <Oooch> Yeah plugwash it doesn't work whatever you try I had the same issue
[2:54] <Baneat> so I have.. sec I'll gyazo screenie it
[2:54] <Baneat> http://gyazo.com/8c9d5c2fe3db2d0883d1b24c6533887b
[2:54] <Baneat> and I can't extend either of those
[2:55] <Oooch> Yeah the extend option is greyed out right
[2:55] <Oooch> For like, no reason
[2:55] <Baneat> yep
[2:56] <D-side> well, i was wrong
[2:56] <shirro> cehteh I am going to give zram a go. re-compiling kernel now...
[2:56] <D-side> this thing is running great.
[2:56] <D-side> "this thing" = pi w/ raspbmc
[2:56] <Baneat> Windows Disk Management has never worked 100% for me ever
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[2:57] <Baneat> congratz, all I did was screw up my SD card D:
[2:57] <plugwash> if you are prepared to reboot to sort out the SD card then I would just download the gparted livecd
[2:57] <D-side> lol
[2:57] <Baneat> have you got any 720p x264 stuff to test?
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[2:57] <shirro> Baneat: tpb
[2:57] <Baneat> I rose the flag of the jolly rodger
[2:58] <Baneat> ***** it's a bootCD
[2:58] <Baneat> are there any managers that don't require a reboot?
[2:58] <arthurdent> managers?
[2:58] <Baneat> partition*
[2:59] <arthurdent> wha??? i don't understand
[2:59] <Baneat> partition managers that don't require you to boot from a live image
[2:59] <arthurdent> hmm
[2:59] <arthurdent> see if there is gparted
[2:59] <Baneat> live image only
[2:59] <arthurdent> have you checked?
[3:00] <Baneat> yes
[3:00] <Baneat> first one I looked at actually
[3:00] <arthurdent> how can that be...
[3:00] <Baneat> cause I'm running Windows?
[3:00] <arthurdent> OHHHH
[3:00] <Baneat> lunix can't even see my SD card so yeah
[3:00] <arthurdent> well there is your problem :/
[3:01] <arthurdent> i could never find a good partition editor for windows, at least not a free one
[3:01] <arthurdent> linux definitely sees your SD card, it's just a matter of knowing how to mount it
[3:01] <Baneat> it's in my android phone
[3:02] <Baneat> or I use an old video recorder with USB and an SD card slot
[3:02] <arthurdent> are you only trying to edit the partitions on your SD card?
[3:02] <Baneat> yeah
[3:02] <arthurdent> try running the gparted iso in a virtual machine
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[3:02] <arthurdent> on windows
[3:03] <Baneat> this is becoming a contrived solution to what should be a simple problem :P
[3:03] <arthurdent> not really
[3:03] * Mrkva loves his fdisk :)
[3:03] <arthurdent> i mean yes but it's not that simple of a problem :P
[3:03] <arthurdent> your other option is to pirate something like partition magic
[3:03] <arthurdent> or pay for it
[3:04] <arthurdent> $70
[3:04] <Tomtiger11> I was trying to listen to music in class with my raspberry pi, but startx hated me...
[3:04] <Baneat> yeah I could buy 20 sd cards for $70
[3:04] <Baneat> then just wipe my bum with them every time I ruin it and still have loads
[3:04] <Tomtiger11> And vlc wont run in root...
[3:04] <arthurdent> well free solutions aren't always simple with windows :P
[3:04] <arthurdent> Tomtiger11: why would you want to run as root?
[3:05] <arthurdent> that's a nono, i'm pretty sure vlc intentionally refuses to run as root
[3:05] <Tomtiger11> arthurdent: Because startx doesnt work if you have no card space left
[3:05] <arthurdent> if you're compiling vlc from source you need to compile it with --enable-run-as-root
[3:05] <arthurdent> otherwise there is no way to run it as root
[3:06] <Tomtiger11> And sudo startx gives you roots desktop...
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[3:06] <Tomtiger11> You see?
[3:06] <arthurdent> so su into another user in a term before running vlc?
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[3:06] <arthurdent> sudo -U username vlc
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[3:07] <Tomtiger11> Oh :P
[3:07] <ntwrk_keith> got my RPi tonight!
[3:07] <ntwrk_keith> :D
[3:07] * Mrkva is looking forward for his batch of 600 LEDs
[3:07] <Mrkva> :D
[3:07] <Tomtiger11> Lol
[3:08] <Mrkva> 8x8x8 LED cube controlled by Rpi
[3:08] <Baneat> is it volum or just the faces
[3:08] <Baneat> would be cool to make like 3d shapes
[3:08] <Mrkva> Baneat: filled cube, 512 LEDS
[3:08] <Mrkva> maybe some 3D tetris or space invaders... :)
[3:09] <Tomtiger11> Theres one thing the raspberry pi doesnt come with... Php :D I know why it doesnt...
[3:10] <Baneat> yarrrr
[3:10] <ntwrk_keith> I failed, I dont have a SD card
[3:10] <Tomtiger11> LOL
[3:10] <ntwrk_keith> so no booting RPi tonight :(
[3:10] <Baneat> paragon is the same as windows' but not everything is greyed out
[3:10] <Tomtiger11> find one outnof a camera
[3:10] <Baneat> steal one from your Wii
[3:10] <Foxhoundz> I raided my camera to get the SD card
[3:10] <Mrkva> ntwrk_keith: microsd+adapter works fine as well
[3:10] <Baneat> sort of
[3:10] <Baneat> that's what I'm using
[3:11] <Baneat> and I don't know if the card is going nuts or just me
[3:11] <ntwrk_keith> Hrmm... i dont know if I have an adapter
[3:11] <ntwrk_keith> I know I have a microsd
[3:11] <ntwrk_keith> let me look
[3:11] <Baneat> microsd cards come with adapters usually
[3:11] <Tomtiger11> Foxhoundz: Same, my camera had a 4gb card in, so i hit the jackpot,
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[3:11] <Tomtiger11> !*
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[3:13] <ntwrk_keith> damn,
[3:13] <ntwrk_keith> no adapter! i'm so tempted to run to walmart
[3:14] <Mrkva> I'm running my Pi from powered USB hub
[3:14] <Mrkva> with USB->microUSB cable
[3:14] <Mrkva> works fine
[3:15] <ntwrk_keith> i can power mine up with my cell phone charger
[3:15] <Mrkva> or that
[3:15] <Mrkva> :)
[3:15] <ntwrk_keith> and using hdmi to hdmi...
[3:15] <ntwrk_keith> but just no sd card yet
[3:15] <ntwrk_keith> so I'm stuck for now
[3:15] <ntwrk_keith> what are you doing with yours so far?
[3:16] <Mrkva> hmm, I've been playing with SMT160-30 temperature sensor, written this stuff: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=7509 and I'm making plans for my big cube :)
[3:16] <Mrkva> you?
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[3:19] <ntwrk_keith> Not quite sure yet
[3:19] <ntwrk_keith> maybe wireless security cam at first
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[3:19] <ntwrk_keith> I dont know, I really dont
[3:19] <SpeedEvil> I prefer wired security. Nice razorwire and landmines.
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[3:19] <arthurdent> mine is going to be the ssh gateway for my network
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[3:20] * SpeedEvil ponders a landmine driver.
[3:20] <arthurdent> it will manage all of the wake-on-lan and possibly act as a security camera
[3:20] <ntwrk_keith> i'm no programmer so whatever I do, itll be what someone else has written until I can learn more
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[3:20] <arthurdent> it'll also run my chat bot that i'm running right now... which might entail re-writing an rss-parser if i can't get libnxml libmrss and rsstail working on arm
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[3:21] <arthurdent> that way i can turn off my computer when i leave and save loads on my electricity bill
[3:21] <ntwrk_keith> yeah that would be sweet
[3:21] <ntwrk_keith> are you talking about like a BNC
[3:21] <ntwrk_keith> that you can log into?
[3:22] <arthurdent> basically
[3:22] <ntwrk_keith> that would be cool
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[4:02] <Baneat> will my raspberry pi be able to see my shared files on the network from my Windows PC?
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[4:03] <rasp7aa> Baneat: cifs-utils
[4:03] <D-side> oh hey.
[4:03] <D-side> i need to test airplay
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[4:05] <ztag100> hey, I just got my raspberry pi today
[4:05] <D-side> me too
[4:05] <D-side> o/
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[4:07] <ztag100> :)
[4:07] <ztag100> what distro are you using?
[4:08] <ztag100> I was just trying out fedora, but, it runs a little to slowly and is a little buggy for my tastes, so, I'm installing debian now
[4:08] <Mrgoose2> im using debian squeze
[4:08] <Mrgoose2> using it as a music server
[4:09] <D-side> i'm using raspbmc right now
[4:10] <ztag100> alright, cool
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[4:19] <shirro> Mrgoose2: how did the usb sound turn out?
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[4:22] <ztag100> gosh, writing to my disk takes so bloody long!
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[4:23] <shirro> ztag100: could have been worse. ever heard of floppy drives?
[4:24] <ztag100> shirro: I was born towards the end of that era
[4:24] <ztag100> anyway, it's booting debian now
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[4:25] <DaQatz> I used floppies for years
[4:25] <DaQatz> C64, Amiga, and even the PC's at first
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[4:27] <shirro> Swapping the disks in and out of an original mac was an experience. Though at least the keyboard worked properly on the Mac.
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[4:35] <hotwings> [19:23:33] <DaQatz> C64, Amiga, and even the PC's at first <-- a fellow ex-c64/amiga'er :)
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[4:36] <D-side> i had an SX-64
[4:36] <D-side> i win
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[4:36] <DaQatz> Yes they were good computers in their day
[4:37] <hotwings> mt first programming was on c64.. and then amiga of course.
[4:37] <DaQatz> Same
[4:37] <DaQatz> C64 basic
[4:37] <DaQatz> Then Amos Pro, and C on Amiga
[4:38] <hotwings> i discovered the ml monitor in the epyx fastload cartridge and learned the old fashion way.. changing bytes and seeing what happens + staring at the code until it started to make sense
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[4:39] <hotwings> i went from 6502, 68000, 65816, then finally went to pc and left asm behind
[4:39] <DaQatz> I didn't start ASM till I was on the PC
[4:40] <DaQatz> Though I dabbled a little in 68k. That was for the Dreamcast VMU's
[4:40] <Baneat> Is the Disk Imager tool thing supposed to take a long time?
[4:40] <Baneat> Mine took 15 mins to finish
[4:40] <DaQatz> Baneat: Which tool?
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[4:40] <Baneat> Win32 Disk Imager
[4:40] <Baneat> I put Debian on it
[4:41] <DaQatz> Ah no clue, I'm not using windows.
[4:42] <Baneat> should putting a disk image onto an sd card ever take that long though?
[4:42] <Baneat> that took forever
[4:42] <DaQatz> Sd speeds, and software vary a lot.
[4:42] <DaQatz> SO it's hard to tell.
[4:42] <DaQatz> Also no clue what size card you have.
[4:42] <D-side> imma try this darkelec thing
[4:43] <Baneat> Nah putting a 500mb file on an sd card normally takes me a minute
[4:43] <DaQatz> Then it's probably the software
[4:43] <Baneat> wondering if I ballsed it up
[4:44] <Baneat> explorer says it's a 70mb disk now
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[4:44] <DaQatz> Baneat: Windows is only seeing the first partition
[4:44] <DaQatz> That part sounds fine
[4:44] <Baneat> all right as long as it's not unusual
[4:45] <DaQatz> run the commands diskmgmt.msc
[4:45] <DaQatz> You should be able to see the whole card
[4:45] <Baneat> gonna try it in my rpi
[4:45] * DaQatz nods.
[4:47] <Syliss> ugh, now i really want that lap dock for my pi
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[4:50] <Baneat> God it still can't see my USB keyboard!
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[4:52] <Baneat> my charger outputs 700mA
[4:52] <Oooch> Are you using raspbmc
[4:52] <Baneat> Nah put debian on it
[4:53] <Baneat> same issue, stuck at login screen and can't type
[4:53] <Oooch> Because loads of people are having hit and miss issues with keyboards with raspbmc
[4:53] <Baneat> 700mA should be fine yeah?
[4:53] <Baneat> it's a 50mA keyboard
[4:53] <Oooch> As in the charger for your pi?
[4:54] <Oooch> I'd tell you but I don't know what mA my plug is
[4:54] <DaQatz> My usb keyboard makes the Pi segfault
[4:54] <Oooch> Have you any other keyboards you could try?
[4:54] <Baneat> yeah that charger
[4:54] <Baneat> I tried a different one, same issue
[4:54] <Baneat> it says output 700mA on it
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[4:55] <shirro> Remember if you triggered a poly fuse you have to wait ages for it to recover as well.
[4:55] <Baneat> a what?
[4:55] <SpeedEvil> 60s or so powered off should be fine
[4:57] <shirro> the pi's usb is deliberately limited to running the puniest usb devices imaginable. plug in something that draws close to 140mA and and the fuses will trigger and that usb interface will be dead for hours. keyboards should not do that though. most are fairly low power. Every one I have tried has worked, just not well
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[4:58] <SpeedEvil> seconds
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[4:58] <shirro> SpeedEvil: oh, cool. I read hours.
[4:58] <D-side> huh.
[4:58] <Baneat> okay..
[4:58] <Baneat> I tried plugging a 360 controller in to see what's what
[4:58] <Baneat> the LED went on briefly then shut off
[4:58] <D-side> i really wish i could find how much power a usb wifi nic draws
[4:59] <Baneat> And I tried it with a flash drive with an LED too
[4:59] <SpeedEvil> D-side: Essentially all of them draw >300mA
[4:59] <Baneat> and it powered on then shut off
[4:59] <D-side> well
[4:59] <D-side> SpeedEvil: that's no good for me
[4:59] <SpeedEvil> D-side: >140mA - even recieve only is typical
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[4:59] <D-side> noted, thanks. i need a better powered usb hub, the one i have i just a pile of crap
[5:00] <shirro> Introducing a powered hub adds further complications for me.
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[5:01] <shirro> I wish there was some official word from the foundation on what they are going to do to fix the usb issues. This thing can't go into schools as it is.
[5:01] <Baneat> So what LED's should be on?
[5:01] <Baneat> I have a green and an orange on right now
[5:02] <cehteh> all leds on here :)
[5:02] <Baneat> uh oh
[5:02] <cehteh> well the green OK blinks with access to the sdcard
[5:02] <Baneat> okay
[5:02] <Baneat> what's the one beside it?
[5:02] <cehteh> red PWR must always be on and never blink
[5:02] <Baneat> mine's pretty orange
[5:03] <Baneat> What are the others for?
[5:03] <cehteh> green FDX should be on when a ethernet cable is connected
[5:03] <cehteh> green LNK blinks on ethernet traffic
[5:03] <cehteh> yellow 10M is on when 100Mbit is connected (mislabeld)
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[5:04] <Baneat> okay
[5:04] <Baneat> well I don't have an ethernet plugged in atm anyway
[5:04] <Baneat> so the lights that should be on are
[5:05] <cehteh> red PWR on and green OK maybe blinking (or off when the sdcard is idle)
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[5:05] <Baneat> it's waiting for user input atm anyway so yeah solid green
[5:05] <Xark> Hmm, for me the green is always on and blinks off only during SD access...
[5:05] <cehteh> do you have a multimeter and checked the voltage on the board?
[5:05] <Baneat> I have the suspicion my power supply isn't good enough
[5:06] <Baneat> the HTC one that comes with android phones
[5:06] <cehteh> good for the phone but there are a lot which dont hold the voltage under load
[5:06] <cehteh> for charging thats ok .. but not for running a computer
[5:06] <cehteh> can you measure the voltage?
[5:07] <cehteh> there are 2 test ports on the board
[5:07] <Baneat> I don't have a multimeter
[5:07] <cehteh> fail :P
[5:08] <Baneat> I know that's the electronic equivalent of not owning a hammer
[5:09] <Baneat> I have like 6 usb charge things but they'll all suck if this one does
[5:09] <Baneat> maybe the amazon kindle one might do it
[5:09] <cehteh> do you have some battery for powering/chargning a phone?
[5:09] <cehteh> external i mean
[5:10] <Baneat> nope :<
[5:10] <Baneat> That'd be an interesting solution
[5:10] <cehteh> must be regulated to 5V too .. but usually these cope better with current
[5:11] <Baneat> I take it my PC won't be able to supply the needed current for testing?
[5:11] <Baneat> It's a big desktop unit
[5:11] <cehteh> well read your psu's description 700mA is the absolute minimum
[5:11] <shirro> If you have a kindle psu I believe they are on the list as known to work
[5:12] <cehteh> you may try, generally USB ports supply only 500mA (and that only on request by software) but on desktops they are often not limited
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[5:13] <cehteh> at worst it blows a fuse on the desktop :P
[5:13] <Xark> Baneat: What kind of Kindle? The Fire charger should be more than sufficient...
[5:13] <shirro> I think the power problems are overstated. Unless you are in the habit of buying usb chargers out of bargain bins. Any branded cellphone or tablet charger that can supply around 1A or better will be fine
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[5:13] <Baneat> branded cellphone chargers have 700mA
[5:14] * Xark has done fine so far with his Motorola phone charger (850ma).
[5:14] <cehteh> shirro: many are rated for less than 1A
[5:14] <Baneat> It's a kindle 3 3g charger
[5:14] <cehteh> and then they are not that well regulated and drop voltage under load
[5:14] <Baneat> dunno where it is but it's somewhere
[5:14] <Baneat> When connecting to the USB on the PC it just doesn't even emit a video signal
[5:14] * cehteh uses his n900 charger .. thats rated for 1.2A or more
[5:15] <cehteh> haha then dont do that
[5:15] <shirro> cehteh: yeah note the branded bit. It it has a Nokia, Applem Samsung, Motorola label on it I am betting it will work
[5:15] <cehteh> are the data pins of the power connector connected somewhere?
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[5:16] <Baneat> me?
[5:16] <Xark> cehteh: I don't believe so.
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[5:17] <Xark> cehteh: Not positive, but typically if they are shorted together then the supplying devices "knows" charge only.
[5:18] <cehteh> that shortening is done on the charger side
[5:18] <Xark> cehteh: I was under the impression it was also done for "dumb" USB devices (i.e., power only).
[5:19] <cehteh> older/cheaper dont do that.
[5:19] <cehteh> this shortening got introduced with the european initiative of a universal charger
[5:20] <cehteh> many micro usb chargers predating that dont do so
[5:20] <Baneat> I'm gonna grab all the chargers in the house
[5:20] <cehteh> haha
[5:20] <Xark> Baneat: If you put enough in parallel, you may get enough power. :)
[5:22] <Baneat> Are you SERIES!?
[5:22] <cehteh> no parallel, not serial :)
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[5:23] <cehteh> and yes, that may work but if you dont have a multimeter you dont have a soldering iron either and no clue i assume
[5:23] <cehteh> better dont fry your pi
[5:24] <Baneat> I hated EE
[5:24] <Oooch> Baneat just expose the wire on the microusb cable then jam it directly into the plug socket, that'll give you enough power
[5:24] <Baneat> Should I stick my tongue between?
[5:24] <Oooch> You'll get more power if you use your scrotum
[5:24] <GabrialDestruir> o.o
[5:25] <Baneat> Worth a go
[5:25] <Baneat> Scotty, I need more power
[5:25] <GabrialDestruir> I'm givin' 'er all she's got captain!
[5:25] <Oooch> You could go for the back to the future route and try using lightning
[5:26] <GabrialDestruir> Only need 1.21 Gigawatts? :p
[5:27] <GabrialDestruir> You know, we need a way to turn Lightning into a usable power source.
[5:28] <Baneat> Isn't it Jiggawatts?
[5:28] <Xark> GabrialDestruir: Needs some extremely "quick charge" batteries, that I believe are a bit tricky to make. :)
[5:28] <Oooch> it's gigawatts
[5:28] <Xark> Baneat: I believe so. :)
[5:28] <Oooch> It used to be pronounced Jiggawatts
[5:28] <Baneat> That's not much, brb goin back in time
[5:28] <Oooch> But was spelt gigawatts
[5:28] <Baneat> I assumed he meant some other high value
[5:28] <Baneat> a made up one
[5:28] <Baneat> I found a blackberry charger so yeah this should work
[5:29] <Baneat> 700mA but probably not a bad quality
[5:29] <GabrialDestruir> Yea I imagine so, Xark, but if it worked, we could have in theory, a replenishable supply of energy.
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[5:30] <Xark> GabrialDestruir: Interesting idea, but I suspect solar/wind/water are more feasible.
[5:30] <GabrialDestruir> Probably with todays technology, once we have something that could store a lightning bolt in a jar basically though, it'd be a power revolution :p
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[5:32] <GabrialDestruir> You'd need a way to instantly ground the connections though. So when you got multiple strikes it wouldn't overload the storage.
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[5:33] <SpeedEvil> It's basically pointless - the energy per unit area from lightning is tiny
[5:34] <rasp7aa> all of GabrialDestruir"ideas" are pointless
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[5:35] <Baneat> ugh same issue, a hub can be connected to it and the LED stays on but a flash drive LED just flashes on then stops
[5:35] <Baneat> This isn't a bad charger I don't think most people have issues with a blackberry one
[5:35] <rasp7aa> Baneat: It wants you to be nice to it
[5:36] <rredd4> everythings is to big, only one resolution setting. how do i fix?
[5:36] <Baneat> I fed it power what else
[5:36] <rasp7aa> Baneat: please and thankyou
[5:36] <GabrialDestruir> Bad sdcard image?
[5:36] <Baneat> I begged
[5:36] <Baneat> it still doesn't work
[5:36] <rasp7aa> rredd4: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[5:48] <Xark> Baneat: What does it do?
[5:49] <Baneat> same thing as all the others
[5:50] <Xark> Baneat: So hang with red + greeen LED?
[5:51] <Baneat> Yeah it just doesn't want to give enough power to my USB devices
[5:51] <Baneat> the most I can get it to do it power the LED on a hub
[5:51] <Scepterr> loving the hw omx on rpi
[5:51] <D-side> so i'm compiling openelec's rpi fork
[5:51] <D-side> because i can
[5:51] <sraue> fork?
[5:51] <D-side> i guess its not really a fork
[5:52] <GabrialDestruir> DarkElec
[5:52] <GabrialDestruir> I think?
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[5:52] <D-side> darkelec is a fork
[5:52] <Xark> Baneat: Interesting. I've had problems with a wireless keyboard/mouse dongle and powered hub (in a Dell monitor actually) with a HDD.
[5:52] <D-side> darkelec wouldnt boot
[5:52] <D-side> hdmi stayed off
[5:52] <D-side> didnt even detect signal
[5:52] <Baneat> I got it to power a USB torch and the hub LED lol
[5:53] <Xark> Baneat: Er, sorry, NO problems. :)
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[5:53] <Baneat> What's your charger though?
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[5:53] <Xark> Baneat: Motorola phone charger (850ma).
[5:53] <Baneat> I've tried 700mA blackberry
[5:53] <Baneat> 700mA chinese crap
[5:53] <Baneat> 700mA HTC
[5:53] <Baneat> I see a pattern
[5:53] <Baneat> but I thought 700mA was enough
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[5:54] <Xark> Baneat: Well, 700 is the minumum.
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[5:54] <Scepterr> bare min
[5:54] <Xark> 1A or more is best (from what I have read).
[5:54] <Baneat> I'm using a super low power keyboard though
[5:54] <Baneat> and nothing else
[5:54] <Scepterr> bare min for no periph
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[5:54] <Baneat> so it.. oh
[5:54] <Baneat> hm
[5:55] <Scepterr> got any tablet chargers ?
[5:55] <Baneat> Nah just a ton of phones
[5:56] <Scepterr> im using kindle fire charger 1800mah
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[5:56] <Baneat> isn't that severely high?
[5:56] <Baneat> I thought the upper limit was 1200
[5:57] <Scepterr> havent seen issue
[5:57] <Baneat> mAh?
[5:57] <Xark> Baneat: There is no "upper limit" for available current AFAIK.
[5:57] <Scepterr> should be fine as long as its 5v
[5:57] <Baneat> I have loads of 1A PSP chargers
[5:57] <Baneat> shame the plug is different
[5:58] <Xark> Baneat: Sounds like you have enough cheap chargers, got any scissors and electrical tape? :)
[5:58] <Scepterr> splice it if youre eager
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[5:59] * Xark put banana plugs on a PSP charger he has the other day (nice 5v supply). :)
[5:59] <Scepterr> ordered a 10k mah battery for some portability :)
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[6:00] <Scepterr> will have to integrate battery into lego case :)
[6:01] <Baneat> it says you can get it to run on 4 AA's.. what kind of use time do you get from that?
[6:01] <Scepterr> no idea just ordered batt
[6:01] <Scepterr> im assuming days
[6:02] <Scepterr> if you take phone batt life into consideration
[6:02] <Baneat> that'd be hours, I don't know their relative charge capacities
[6:02] <Scepterr> phone batter on avg 1500mah
[6:03] <Baneat> phones don't really last very long though if they're being used
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[6:03] <Scepterr> lcd takes 50% battery
[6:03] <Scepterr> atleast
[6:04] <Scepterr> radios the other major chunk
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[6:06] <Baneat> I'm pretty tempted to cable splice
[6:06] <Baneat> I could make it long
[6:07] <Baneat> I don't have one of those things where you put a screw in to hold the cable down
[6:09] <Xark> Hmm, i have this 200mAhx2 USB battery that should work with pi (using forked USB cable for 2x500ma). Be interesting to see how long it runs.
[6:09] <Xark> 2000mAhx2*
[6:11] <Baneat> apparently a AA cell is like 2000 mAh on average
[6:11] <cehteh> ok by forcing the SD card freq i get ok'ish performance finally
[6:11] <Baneat> compared to a phone battery that's a pretty long time
[6:12] <Xark> Baneat: Yeah, I have a AAx6 battery pack and it has powered 9v stuff "forever" (compared to a real 9v).
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[6:13] <Xark> Baneat: This USB battery thing is like a pack of cigarettes (so smaller and lighter than 6xAA).
[6:14] <Baneat> How do you connect the 6xAA's?
[6:14] <Baneat> to the terminals
[6:14] <Scepterr> this is what i ordered http://www.amazon.com/Anker-10000mAh-External-GT-P1000-GT-P1000N/dp/B005NGLTZQ
[6:14] <cehteh> uhm you want some voltage regulation
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[6:15] <Scepterr> charge everything off that
[6:15] <Xark> Baneat: I have a battery holder that has 9v clip. I am not using that on the RPi (for Arduino stuff instead of a wall wart for 9v).
[6:15] <cehteh> the rpi has voltage regulation on itself at worst by blowing its fuses
[6:16] <cehteh> voltage protection .. as the zehner will blow the fuse
[6:16] <Baneat> wait
[6:16] <Baneat> what's the point
[6:16] <Baneat> the monitor needs a 240V anyway
[6:16] <cehteh> dont connect batteries *directly* to the rpi
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[6:17] <kigosa> goood morning everyone
[6:17] <Scepterr> dont need to have rpi plugged into a monitor, can be standalone box with wifi
[6:17] * Xark has mostly been using the RPi serial console pins. :)
[6:17] <Scepterr> or even a 3g modem
[6:18] <Baneat> what's the point though?
[6:18] <Scepterr> nothing productive :)
[6:21] <Scepterr> start building a robot around it :p
[6:21] <Xark> Baneat: I do have a cheap TV also hooked to the RPi (literally the cheapest 720p I could find at Best Buy ~$70 and it is pretty decent and the RPi looks good on it). I expect I will "build" on the console (or ssh) and view OpenGL on the TV (perhaps with a USB controller or something).
[6:21] <Baneat> I have a cheap 720p tv
[6:21] <Baneat> it is awful
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[6:22] <Scepterr> just got a new 37" lg 7600, love it
[6:22] <Scepterr> 47"*
[6:22] <Xark> Baneat: Well, I didn't expect much, but it has 2x HDMI, VGA, USB, composite, component (but no S-video). Something like 1380x900 res (forget exactly). Really not too bad.
[6:22] <Baneat> Mine isn't gonna be anything too ambitious, just going to integrate it into an HDTV to run video files instead of my media center pc
[6:22] <D-side> sounds like that's what most people are doign
[6:23] <Scepterr> gonna use my rpi to run outdoor promo/ad displays
[6:23] <Xark> Baneat: A popular choice for the RPi. :)
[6:23] <D-side> i'm hooking this up to my bravia so i can stream movies directly from my nas
[6:23] <D-side> stop using my desktop + appletv
[6:23] <Baneat> Yeah my PC downstairs is a midi tower
[6:23] <Xark> I would like to have the RPi be my "always on" server, but I am not sure it will be reliable enough (we shall see...).
[6:23] <Baneat> way too big
[6:24] <Baneat> but it's gonna have to be able to run any 720p file I throw at it or it's not worth using
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[6:24] <Scepterr> runs 720p tv eps really well
[6:24] <Xark> Baneat: Well, it is known that it won't work like that (at least until a mythical codec pack).
[6:24] <Baneat> matroska x264
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[6:24] <Scepterr> has no proble with 720p x264
[6:25] <Xark> Baneat: RPi will be picky about formats and stuff from everything I've read.
[6:25] <Baneat> ugh
[6:25] <Baneat> that PC definitely isn't
[6:25] <Scepterr> been playing tv eps on mine all day
[6:25] <Baneat> does your SD card speed affect it?
[6:25] <Scepterr> playing them off usb stick
[6:25] <Baneat> oh
[6:26] <Baneat> I want to network the files
[6:26] <Scepterr> havent tried that
[6:26] <Syliss> its not worth it to network files for playing
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[6:26] <Baneat> That's what I've been doing with my PC for ages
[6:26] <Xark> Baneat: I get 4MB/sec from SD (cheap Sandisk), so I wouldn't think SD would be a bottleneck (but perhaps it kills CPU or something...).
[6:27] <Baneat> yeah but I have hundreds of gigabytes of storage on this PC
[6:27] <Scepterr> i get ~85% cpu usage playing 720p x264
[6:27] <Baneat> not asking for 1080, I can't see the difference
[6:27] <Xark> Scepterr: Yeah, I believe it is doing the audio with CPU (among other things too, no doubt).
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[6:27] <Baneat> but if it can play XviD, DivX, mp4 and x264
[6:28] <Baneat> then that's fine
[6:28] <Scepterr> also set output res to 1280x720 instead of 1920x1080, noticably better perf
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[6:28] <Baneat> could it do all that from the debian distro or would I need a dedicated distro for video playing
[6:28] <Scepterr> the os output res
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[6:30] <Xark> Scepterr: Do you mean in cmdline.txt?
[6:30] <Scepterr> well on xmbc you just change it in settings
[6:30] <Baneat> Is it compatible with a 360 controller?
[6:30] <Xark> Scepterr: Ahh
[6:30] <Baneat> the xbmc
[6:31] <Scepterr> sec ill try
[6:31] <Baneat> makes sense when you consider the name..
[6:31] <ebarch> what apps are you guys using to play mkvs? vlc?
[6:31] <Baneat> a keyboard for running a media center is crappy
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[6:32] <Scepterr> get flashing ring on controller, but no responce from xbmc
[6:33] <Scepterr> ebarch: on xbmc the native video player
[6:33] <cehteh> average rate: 13562 kB/s ... sd card reading
[6:33] <Scepterr> im using logitech revue wireless kb
[6:33] <cehteh> anyone got better?
[6:33] <ebarch> what player does xbmc use?
[6:33] <Scepterr> its own
[6:34] <ebarch> gotcha
[6:34] <Baneat> hm
[6:34] <Scepterr> it has the codec support builtin
[6:35] <Baneat> okay so does it work with anything but a keyboard?
[6:35] <Scepterr> can work with anything that works with the logitech nano reciever
[6:35] <Scepterr> receiver* :p
[6:36] <shirro> 3 weeks today. I guess that means RS are mailing my Pi now.
[6:36] <Scepterr> 3rd day with mine :)
[6:36] <Scepterr> now to get more
[6:36] <Baneat> the mailing part took me a day from the email
[6:36] <Baneat> is RS UK based?
[6:36] <Baneat> possibly why it was so fast
[6:37] <shirro> I haven't had an email from RS since the confirmation and credit card payment 3 weeks ago
[6:38] <Baneat> I got one from parcelforce saying they were gonna deliver
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[6:43] <hotwings> well.. it seems as though liz doesnt want to answer my question
[6:46] <shirro> hotwings: what are you bothering liz about? Trying to get recipes TMBG lyrics or something?
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[6:58] <shirro> Nice. Found a DHL email from a couple of days ago. Guess the RS 3 weeks thing was good after all.
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[7:07] <Xark> shirro: Right on. I finally got mine a few days ago (E14).
[7:09] <shirro> My experience of dhl has been slow. Looks like it is still at heathrow. Hope it doesn't go via germany and a dozen other places
[7:11] <shirro> Xark: I really liked E14's service. I would rather have ordered 2 from them than split with RS.
[7:12] <Xark> shirro: Hehe, I did order two units from E14 (but I think they got wise to me). :) I didn't bother to respond to RS by the time they got back to me. I will order another from E14 soon (I will give them a bit to catch up). :)
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[7:54] <skryking> wow compiling ruby on this thing takes a long time :)
[7:55] <blkhawk> duh
[7:55] <blkhawk> :=)
[7:55] <ironzorg> this compiling c++ files that include boost
[7:55] <ironzorg> try*
[7:55] <skryking> heh
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[8:28] <steveccc> I have a 2gb filesystem on the sd card the pi is booted from which I want to mount but getting the error not authorised because I presume I need to mount it as root - can anyone confirm please
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[8:31] <blkhawk> steveccc: your question makes no sense
[8:31] <blkhawk> i would have to guuess that you are not talking about mounting the fs on the pi
[8:32] <steveccc> blkhawk: sorry I have resolved it now but I did badly word it - I meant that the partition is on the same sd card the system is booted from instead of a usb drive or hard disk
[8:32] <blkhawk> but rather mountingit ion a desktop
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[8:32] <blkhawk> ah
[8:32] <blkhawk> ok then
[8:32] <blkhawk> i have to say lxde is surprisingly snappy
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[8:32] <blkhawk> but then i am cheating
[8:34] <steveccc> it is quite quick
[8:34] <steveccc> i am just using a borrowed 4gb sd card will my larger one arrives - what are you using the pi for?
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[8:35] <blkhawk> welli am using the emmc "overclock" plus i raisedthe cpu speed to 900
[8:36] <blkhawk> and the unofficial 204mb memory split
[8:36] <gordonDrogon> morning..
[8:36] <shirro> morning. what is baking today?
[8:36] <Habbie> is the 204 unofficial?
[8:37] <gordonDrogon> the last of the victoria sanditches and 100 mini cupcakes.
[8:37] <Habbie> oh
[8:37] <Habbie> blkhawk, why not use the 224 then?
[8:37] <blkhawk> Habbie: 224 doesn't alllow fr video playback
[8:38] <gordonDrogon> ? is someone hand-patching the start elf's ?
[8:38] <Habbie> blkhawk, ah. fr?
[8:38] <blkhawk> for
[8:38] <Habbie> ah :)
[8:38] <gordonDrogon> to change 224/192 to 204, etc. ?
[8:38] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: not quite somebody wipped up a little c program that does the logical thing
[8:38] <blkhawk> 240 does not boot
[8:38] <gordonDrogon> although I do wonder if that extra 6MB is worth it...
[8:38] <gordonDrogon> ok
[8:39] <blkhawk> dude its 6mb - thats HUGE
[8:39] <blkhawk> :D
[8:39] <gordonDrogon> :)
[8:39] <shirro> dynamic split would be nicer
[8:39] <gordonDrogon> right - my kitchen awaits!
[8:39] <gordonDrogon> for breakfast, if nothing else right now...
[8:39] <gordonDrogon> laters!
[8:39] <blkhawk> shirro: not without the source for the start.elf files
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[8:40] <blkhawk> heh
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[8:42] <blkhawk> i wish we had the sd card stuff running in 50mhz mode
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[8:45] <shirro> blkhawk: you can bump it from 20 to 50 in the source. It won't work for my card.
[8:45] <blkhawk> erm
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[8:46] <Simon-> dynamic should be fairly easy to do if the GPU would co-operate
[8:47] <shirro> I would worry about it freeing stuff up. At least it is in its own little prison at the moment
[8:47] <Simon-> it'd just be like memory hotplugging
[8:48] <Simon-> things go badly wrong if you try to use 192MB on a 128MB start.elf ;)
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[8:54] <shirro> Simon-: Do you know (or can you take a guess) at why the usb driver randomly discards my key presses?
[8:54] <blkhawk> yes
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[8:54] <blkhawk> it is grumpy
[8:55] <blkhawk> cause it doesn't get enought fiber in its diet
[8:55] <blkhawk> or rather in thiscase there isn't enough power :D
[8:56] <shirro> The next person who says there is not enough power gets a multimeter inserted
[8:56] <blkhawk> the keydropping is a well documented effect of that
[8:56] <blkhawk> muhahaha
[8:56] <shirro> blkhawk: but that is crap I think. Too many EEs trying to explain software problems away
[8:57] <blkhawk> well the raspberry has a bit of a power problem - there is the 700ma polyfuse
[8:57] <blkhawk> and the 140ma fuses for the ports
[8:57] <ShiftPlusOne> What's tp1 and tp2 actually connected to? Is it the voltage straight from the input or what?
[8:58] <blkhawk> of course if the USB driver is as bad as the SD diver theni can see it dropping keys, among other things
[8:58] <blkhawk> actually
[8:58] <blkhawk> i don't know if the usb polyfuses are connected straight or after the 700ma polyfuse
[8:58] <blkhawk> good question
[8:58] <DaQatz> !channel
[8:58] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspbian #rpi-gentoo #raspberrypi-owners
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[9:01] <the_cuckoo> is PiBot running on a pi?
[9:02] <DaQatz> No I only have one pi, and do not want it taken full time for the bot.
[9:02] <the_cuckoo> ah :)
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[9:03] <the_cuckoo> yeah - the tau guys are right - 1 * pi is not enough
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[9:05] <blkhawk> ok
[9:06] <blkhawk> good answer: the polyfuses for the usb plugs connect after the 700ma polyfuse
[9:06] <blkhawk> thats a bit retarded
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[9:09] <Simon-> shirro: yes, I know exactly why
[9:09] <Simon-> shirro: the usb chip is junk
[9:09] <DaQatz> Sniff, where is model A?
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[9:10] <Simon-> (and I don't mean that your chip is faulty)
[9:10] <Habbie> DaQatz, why do you care about model A?
[9:11] <DaQatz> Habbie: No internal hub in the way.
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[9:13] <Habbie> DaQatz, ah
[9:13] <Habbie> i had been wondering about that, indeed :)
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[9:34] <siphayne> Is there anyone awake and available to assist me with an boot issue I'm having on my Raspberry Pi?
[9:34] <shirro> I am awake.
[9:35] <siphayne> I've got a forum post started.
[9:35] <siphayne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7812
[9:35] <shirro> Though pondering Simon's words
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[9:36] <siphayne> Which Simon? I'm willing to listen to whatever Simon Says at this point as long as it helps my Pi
[9:36] <steveccc> I have a pi thats working fine - what updates should be installed - obviously os updates but is there a hardware update and should it only be performed if the pi has an issue - dont want to break something that isnt broken?
[9:37] <siphayne> I think that's a shop rule and non-relative to computers.
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[9:38] <Habbie> steveccc, backup, then update :)
[9:38] <the_cuckoo> siphayne: don't know anything about your windows procedure, but i think it's easier on linux - grab compressed distro - unzip and use dd to transfer to card
[9:38] <Habbie> siphayne, what is the color splash screen?
[9:39] <siphayne> Cuckoo: Tried that. Same result.
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[9:39] <steveccc> habbie: whats the update command?
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[9:39] <shirro> steveccc: there are always things broken on the Pi. It is a new-ish platform. If you have a problem you should update first. I have seen a few support sessions where people couldn't get things to work because they had old firmware or libs.
[9:39] <siphayne> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Coloured_splash_screen
[9:39] <Habbie> steveccc, rpi-update, after you install it
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[9:40] <Habbie> siphayne, ah
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[9:40] <Habbie> siphayne, did you update both the firmware and the kernel at the same time?
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[9:40] <siphayne> My process can be seen on the forum post. I couldn't find good instructions online on howto update.
[9:40] <siphayne> 1. Plug in SD Card to Windows 7
[9:40] <siphayne> 2. Delete the contents of the boot partition on the SD Card (Only partition on the card Windows recognizes)
[9:40] <siphayne> 3. Replace contents of Boot Partition with https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware ... aster/boot
[9:40] <siphayne> 4. Eject Card from Windows
[9:40] <siphayne> 5. Put card in Raspberry Pi
[9:40] <siphayne> 6. Plug in Pi
[9:41] <Habbie> reading
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[9:41] <Habbie> that looks good i think
[9:42] <siphayne> Best I could come up with. I couldn't run rpi-update because I never get a cli after updating boot partition.
[9:42] <Habbie> no, i figured
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[9:42] <Habbie> i've had to do the same for mmc0 timeout issues (different error, though)
[9:42] <DigitalOSH2> ahoy
[9:43] <Habbie> siphayne, did you actually remove everything from /boot ?
[9:43] <siphayne> Just wanted to be clear. My forum post leave a bit to be imagined. I imply that that color screen stays there :P
[9:43] <siphayne> Select all and delete. Yes.
[9:43] <Habbie> so you removed cmdline.txt
[9:43] <Habbie> that might be an issue
[9:44] <siphayne> Hah. Let me check what it looks like now. I think you might be right >_<
[9:44] <shirro> I don't get how you created the linux partition on Windows. What tool did you use?
[9:44] <DigitalOSH2> any raspbmc buffs available for PM?
[9:44] <siphayne> Derp. You're right Habbie. Let's see
[9:44] <Habbie> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[9:44] <Habbie> this is cmdline.txt on my debian image
[9:44] <Habbie> it should be default
[9:45] <Habbie> you may need to watch out for putting a DOS line ending on there
[9:45] <siphayne> I backed up my defaults. Thanks though :)
[9:45] <Habbie> ah :)
[9:45] <the_cuckoo> so - my wife wants to buy new baby phones - last set were about 80 euro, weren't anywhere near top of the range, suffered interference and occassionally picked up the neighbours :( - now, if i could get a pair of pi's, i could make some baby piPhones instead :)
[9:45] <siphayne> I may be a noob to Linux but I know rule number 1 of computer software
[9:45] <Habbie> siphayne, good :)
[9:46] <Habbie> the_cuckoo, a good DECT baby phone set is cheaper and easier than a pair of piPhones ;)
[9:46] <siphayne> Back In a second. Switching monitor off and booting Pi.
[9:46] <the_cuckoo> Habbie: yeah, but not as much fun
[9:46] <Habbie> the_cuckoo, certainly not!
[9:46] <Habbie> siphayne, heh, familiar issue
[9:47] <DigitalOSH2> any raspbmc buffs available for PM?
[9:48] <Habbie> DigitalOSH2, no need to repeat your question that quickly; at least try to make the question clearer. what is PM?
[9:48] <DigitalOSH2> private message, so I don't interrupt the current conversation
[9:48] <siphayne> You win all the prizes Habbie! When in doubt, assume it's PEBKAC.
[9:48] <Habbie> oh, don't worry about that too much
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[9:48] <Habbie> siphayne, it's booting? awesome!
[9:49] <shirro> Habbie: a baby phone is even cheaper than a pair of pis, usb sound cards, powered hub, wifi dongles and a month of your life
[9:49] <DigitalOSH2> ok, well then. anyone here who is familiar with raspbmc? I'm having issues installing
[9:49] <Habbie> shirro, hah, yes
[9:49] <Habbie> DigitalOSH2, describe your issues concisely but clearly
[9:49] <siphayne> I'm now at login. :D
[9:49] <Habbie> siphayne, great
[9:49] <Habbie> siphayne, have fun :)
[9:49] <DigitalOSH2> was what i just wrote not sufficient?
[9:50] <DigitalOSH2> i just need to know if there's even anyone here who knows about / uses raspbmc
[9:50] <Habbie> DigitalOSH2, 'issues' is not sufficient, no
[9:50] <siphayne> Thanks! I'll be on but "away" monitor is dual purposed right now. Thanks again Habbie for the assist! (4 hours today, waiting this login prompt
[9:50] <Habbie> DigitalOSH2, in general, in an IRC channel, certainly as big as this one, there are plenty people who knows things about subjects. What they generally don't feel like is saying 'yes, go ahead'
[9:50] <Habbie> siphayne, np :)
[9:50] <Habbie> DigitalOSH2, so just -ask the actual question-
[9:50] <DigitalOSH2> too complicated
[9:50] <Habbie> DigitalOSH2, it may not even be a raspbmc-specific issue
[9:50] <Habbie> DigitalOSH2, then write it out on a pastebin
[9:50] <the_cuckoo> shirro: one need one usb sound card for a mic (have 2 so could go two way), have dlan devices, so no wlan needed - unsure if hub would be required and month? pah :D
[9:51] <DigitalOSH2> you guys are ridiculous.
[9:51] <Habbie> DigitalOSH2, if you're not willing to put in some effort to get your problem fixed, why should anyone else?
[9:51] <DigitalOSH2> please stop telling me how to state my question. Assume that my only question is whether or not anyone here is familiar with raspbmc
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[9:52] <Habbie> DigitalOSH2, good luck
[9:52] <DigitalOSH2> i am willing to put effort in, but my problem is hard to explain without knowing if anyone has prior knowledge
[9:52] <shirro> DigitalOSH2: someone on here will have tried raspbmc. Just ask the question
[9:52] <DigitalOSH2> upon reflash of the s
[9:53] <DigitalOSH2> same image i am now being taken to the login screen as opposed to having rbmc try to download itself. why is this
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[9:53] <DigitalOSH2> exact same image, using the exact same software on the exact same SD card. I am connected to ethernet
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[9:54] <drazyltoo> so, I'm guessing the "24" in "Parcelforce 24" does not relate to the number of hours it should take to deliver...
[9:56] <DigitalOSH2> plenty of criticism, no help. thanks for nothing
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[9:56] <Habbie> some people don't want to be helped :(
[9:57] <shirro> see, that is why I don't like these xbmc types. I spend 5 minutes trying to google his problem and I am about to offer suggestions and he quits. Only talking to debian/arch people from now on
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[9:58] <Habbie> you should probably /msg him that
[9:58] <shirro> nah, good riddance, I am in this for the educational objectives and to learn opengl stuff. buy a roku2
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[10:01] <haltdef> drazyltoo, I'm pretty sure it does
[10:01] <haltdef> next working day type thing
[10:02] <drazyltoo> maybe yesterday wasn't a working day in parcelforce land then :)
[10:02] <haltdef> stuff under express 24 has always arrived next day for me
[10:03] <siphayne> New question. Haven't googled yet. Should rpi recognize and use mice as plug and play? I ran startx and neither my Logitech Trackball or supercheapo mouse will work.
[10:03] <shirro> Bloody Bundespost are delivering mine.
[10:03] <drazyltoo> I'm sure that's not their official name :)
[10:03] <Habbie> siphayne, worked for me -when plugged into the pi-. WHen i plugged a mouse into my keyboard, neither worked
[10:04] <Habbie> siphayne, try lsusb in a terminal before and after plugging it in
[10:04] <drazyltoo> plugged into powered hub?
[10:04] <siphayne> No, just the two
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[10:04] <Habbie> siphayne, then yes, that *should* work
[10:04] <Habbie> siphayne, unless your keyboard draws too much power, perhaps
[10:04] <drazyltoo> could be too much power
[10:04] <siphayne> Perhaps. I'll try with just one plugged in. Back in a sec
[10:05] <Habbie> siphayne, try this: open a terminal, put 'while sleep 10 ; do lsusb; done' in it, and plug/unplug devices to see what happens
[10:05] <drazyltoo> "watch lsusb" is simpler
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[10:07] <siphayne> With just the mouse plugged in, same result. How might I get a terminal from the desktop interface?
[10:07] <siphayne> With only using a keyboard.
[10:07] <Habbie> i don't know :)
[10:07] <Habbie> drazyltoo, oh good point
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[10:07] <snaipperi> it's possible that your mouse reads the power requirements on a label under the mouse.
[10:07] <Habbie> siphayne, i would go for console instead of X
[10:08] <siphayne> I should probably get used to a console anyway and stop babying myself with a UI.
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[10:08] <siphayne> What does 'watch lsusb' do?
[10:08] <Habbie> it shows you the output of lsusb (a list of detected usb devices), updated every x (i think 2) seconds
[10:09] <siphayne> Interesting. Well I have an answer to what that command would tell us.
[10:09] <Habbie> ah
[10:09] <siphayne> On startup it recognizes both my trackball (Model and everything) as well as my keyboard
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[10:11] <siphayne> During my frustration with the mmc0: "Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt" I was unplugging and plugging things in like crazy
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[10:11] <Habbie> siphayne, ah
[10:11] <siphayne> (Kinda just because I wanted to see my Pi give me some output...)
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[10:11] <siphayne> dunno if that tells you the exact same thing as lsusb
[10:12] <shirro> siphayne: which distro and kernel are you using? if you type lsmod is evdev listed?
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[10:13] <siphayne> using the debian squeeze distro with updated firmware. Back in a moment with the results of that command
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[10:13] <siphayne> pi
[10:16] <siphayne> my bad. Keyboard was sending commands to Desktop instead of Pi.
[10:17] <siphayne> Anyways. When i run lsmod I do not see anything to the effect of evdev. It looks like it is a table with no output
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[10:17] <shirro> do a sudo depmod -a then reboot
[10:17] <siphayne> When I run lsusb it shows my trackbacll model etc.
[10:17] <shirro> It sounds like you have updated the kernel recently. Is that right?
[10:17] <siphayne> With the firmware update, yes.
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[10:18] <shirro> After a kernel update you need to tell it about new modules. If you don't X windows can't load evdev which it needs to see your mouse
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[10:19] <shirro> it should be in the updater. I always do mine manually so I get used to typing sudo depmod -a after the update
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[10:22] <siphayne> Results of uname '3.1.9+'
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[10:23] <siphayne> ran depmod after skimming the man page as 'sudo depmod -a' and then ran startx
[10:23] <siphayne> same result, non-responsive cursor.
[10:25] <shirro> if evdev still isn't showing in lsmod then it is down to modules not being loaded. you could try a reboot if you haven't already
[10:25] <siphayne> I have. Question. the command 'rpi-update' wasn't recognized. I'm assuming because it's a package that I have to get? I'm assuming that's also part of the issue.
[10:26] <shirro> It is a script from https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/rpi-update
[10:26] <siphayne> (my apologies, my typing is atrocious.)
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[10:26] <shirro> So how did you update if you didn't use rpi-update?
[10:26] <reider59> my tie pin isn`t too bad ;-)
[10:27] <siphayne> As was previously noted. Just overwrote the files on the boot partition from Windows.
[10:27] <shirro> So you didn't install the modules that go with the kernel?
[10:27] <siphayne> I'm assuming I'm missing things because of how it was done. (to answer your question, yes)
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[10:27] <siphayne> Without an internet connection on the pi, how would I get rpi-update to work?
[10:28] <shirro> Yep. You need the modules from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/modules in /lib/modules and a depmod so Linux can load them. Then X will see the mouse
[10:28] <reider59> can I ask, what is it you`re trying to do?
[10:29] <shirro> You can see what the rpi-update script is doing and do the same thing yourself manually if you are ok with reading shell scripts
[10:30] <siphayne> I'm reading up on it now.
[10:31] <shirro> siphayne: if you have room on the boot partition you can put a tar of the modules on there and then boot and untar them into position. that gets around the lack of networking
[10:31] <siphayne> @reider, I'm having an issue with my mouse on 'startx' after foolishly not updating things properly.
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[10:32] <reider59> OK, just that with the update and a few other things it sounded like my struggles with my new USB WiFi adapter yesterday, now thankfully sorted
[10:32] <siphayne> @shirro This would only update the modules and not fully update the entire firmware, yes?
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[10:34] <shirro> rpi-update does the lot. But if you have done the rest you just need the modules installed. you just need to get them onto the pi. if you don't have network on the pi or another linux box putting the files on the boot partition might be ok if there is room
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[10:34] <shirro> then you just have to boot and move them into the right place.
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[10:35] <shirro> Not sure if your linux distro will have zip installed so tar is a safer option for bundling them up if you can
[10:35] <siphayne> I've got one idea. I have my pi sitting next to my desktop which is connected to wi-fi. Simply plugging in the ethernet cable to both wouldn't provide an internet connection, correct?
[10:36] <Habbie> siphayne, what os on the desktop?
[10:36] <shirro> If you have internet sharing enabled, probably
[10:36] <steveccc> reider59: do you use your wifi usb adaptor in a powered hub?
[10:36] <Habbie> siphayne, because this is exactly how i do it with OSX Internet Sharing
[10:36] <siphayne> Windows is booted now. I have Mint on another partition of this computer
[10:36] <shirro> windows, mac and most desktop linux will have connection sharing a mouse click or two away
[10:37] <siphayne> I wanna say I have internet connection sharing setup on my desktop. Checking now
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[10:38] <reider59> no, it`s one that will work directly in the USB port of the RPi. The problem was my fault in that I failed to see that 3 files had to go in the /boot folder and secondly that 2 of them had to stay as a TAR file and not be extracted, the third being a script file. Once I reread all 4 pages of the forum someone mentioned these facts, but it wasn`t indicated in the main post. Now it works perfectly.
[10:40] <reider59> Its a small Edimax 7811UN
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[10:41] <shirro> reider59: nice looking device. would look good next to my unified mouse/keyboard thingy
[10:42] <shirro> reider59: so power isn't a problem?
[10:42] <derkadoshaderka> alrighty. Internet Connection Sharing is setup. Back to to run rpi-update!
[10:42] <Habbie> cool
[10:42] <derkadoshaderka> (this is siphayne, secondary nick)
[10:43] <Habbie> we figured :)
[10:43] <reider59> its quite rapid too considering its cheap cost. One of the main things I wish to do apart from make it more portable. Is make a buggy for my Robot Arm, add it to an Arduino board, add the RPi to the buggy. Then by WiFi operate it as a mobile robot arm and add a camera later.
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[10:44] <reider59> no, thats why I got this particular model, because their was support in the forum to get it working, a script to add it and power is not a problem, it works directly in the port
[10:45] <Habbie> cute little thing
[10:45] <shirro> not too expensive either. nice
[10:45] <reider59> My wired connection worked fine but I need it mobile for a few reasons later on.
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[10:46] <shirro> it has been ages since I setup wifi from commandline. I think all the commands have changed (probably several times)
[10:47] <reider59> Once the three files are in the boot folder you set the script running, answer one or two yes/no`s then fill in your network name and passkey, it then asks you to plug in the adapter,finishes its script. then you reboot and its all sorted.
[10:47] <reider59> The script does it all for you and updates too
[10:47] <shirro> reider59: you should be getting a commision. I think I am sold
[10:48] <dupondje> rpi-update is just needed in debian? If you get OpenELEC builds for RPI, its always up to date ?
[10:48] <Habbie> starts at 18 euros with shipping here
[10:48] <_rp> yay
[10:48] <Habbie> the edimax
[10:48] <_rp> my rpi has turned up from rs components
[10:48] <reider59> I believe someone has added the adapter in OpenELEC too, according to the forum
[10:48] <reider59> nice going rp
[10:49] <reider59> now the fun begins lol
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[10:50] <reider59> I`ll get you all the link to install it
[10:51] <reider59> archive this ready..... http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256
[10:52] <reider59> Don`t forget, when you download do not extract the 2 of 3 files
[10:53] <reider59> they must go in the Boot folder. what I did was change su root password, start su root, open STARTX then use Other/File Proggy and move it to the boot folder because it fails unless you have Su Root status
[10:54] <reider59> then open SSH and type/past in the command to start the script
[10:54] <reider59> *paste
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[10:55] <reider59> << busy for 10 mins then back
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[10:57] <MaZ-> man, latest raspbmc is solid
[10:57] <frankivo> cool
[10:58] <derkadoshaderka> Shirro and Habbie. You've both been great. I've got things moving along on the pi (internet connection up, just a lot of packages to update an install to run rpi-update, then I have to repartition the SD card.
[10:58] <derkadoshaderka> )
[10:58] <dennisdegreef> indeed! just installed it 12 hours ago
[10:58] <Habbie> derkadoshaderka, you're welcome :)
[10:58] <MaZ-> i had the beta for a couple of days and it could barely update my library, now it does it while playing stuff at 1080p
[10:59] <derkadoshaderka> Thanks again for the assistance. I'm sure if there were ever Mead Halls to toast excellence in assisting nOObs, you'd both have a toast from me.
[10:59] <MaZ-> it suffers a bit if you havent got a TV that will decode dts / ac3 tho ??_??
[10:59] <reider59> just quickly, recall, I also let it boot the first time, the IP number it got allocated by was displayed near the log in. I then went in to the Router and reserved that IP under DHCP so it always gets the same one issued. Better to use in SSH and VNC when it stays the same.
[10:59] <derkadoshaderka> G'night gentlemen/ladies.
[10:59] <reider59> back in 10 mins
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[11:07] <reider59> << back
[11:08] <reider59> Finally, make sure you don`t plug it in until the script tells you to, once in you press any key to continue so don`t panic
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[11:34] <beagler> hi :)
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[11:43] <GabrialDestruir> It seems my AV has finally decided to start working, whatever virus I have isn't trashing my firewall anymore. lol
[11:43] <swattor> raspberry pi dispatched :-)
[11:43] <megaproxy> mines still not dispatched :(
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[11:45] <_rp> where from?
[11:45] <megaproxy> im waiting for RS
[11:45] <_rp> i've just received mine from rs which got despatched last night
[11:46] <megaproxy> why hasnt mine :(
[11:46] <megaproxy> i bet my order failed and email got spammed..
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[11:47] <reider59> were you issued with a date mega?
[11:47] <megaproxy> no, just said it would dispatch in 3 weeks.
[11:47] <megaproxy> ordered 18th
[11:47] <frankivo> megaproxy: are you dutch ?
[11:47] <reider59> thats unusual, they usually give an expected date
[11:48] <megaproxy> nope, British
[11:48] <frankivo> reider59: same here
[11:48] <frankivo> megaproxy: k
[11:48] <Habbie> reider59, everyone i have spoken to so far has heard 'within 3 weeks' from RS
[11:48] <Habbie> reider59, in the same message, RS promises to notify on despatch but they don't seem to, usually
[11:48] <reider59> ok, got mine from Farnell
[11:48] <fALSO> any news on raspberry pi drivers development ?
[11:48] <Habbie> reider59, i got one from each
[11:48] <fALSO> is the foundation working on that ?
[11:48] <Habbie> fALSO, what kind of drivers?
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[11:48] <fALSO> 2d drivers for X
[11:49] <frankivo> Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 4 week(s))
[11:49] <fALSO> alsa sound drivers
[11:49] <Habbie> megaproxy, i ordered on may 17th, they despatched last friday
[11:49] <frankivo> is what mine says
[11:49] <megaproxy> why is mine taking so long then?!
[11:49] <_rp> on the 18th of May I was given 3 weeks delivery time and it arrived this morning
[11:49] <_rp> so you can work it out from that
[11:49] <_rp> and that was from RS
[11:49] <ExeciN> I currently don't have a micro USB cable to power my Rpi. Can I power it using the headers?
[11:49] <fALSO> Correct, no-one at Broadcom is working on X acceleration, it will need to be a community effort.
[11:50] <reider59> looks like yours may be any time in the next 7 days mega, looking at the calendar, if thats how they work. 3 weeks from the 18th to commence delivery and up to 7 days
[11:50] <shirro> I got notified on dispatch by RS. Ordered 18th. Got email from DHL not RS on 6th with tracking number
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[11:50] <Habbie> oh, dhl
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[11:50] <fALSO> so status for drivers will be: never
[11:50] <shirro> I am in Aus. Uk will have someone else I expect
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[11:50] <fALSO> i wonder why this inst specified on the homepage
[11:50] <rvalles> finally got my pi :)
[11:50] <fALSO> Currently no sound or X 2d or 3d drivers
[11:51] <fALSO> it should be on the site
[11:51] <Habbie> sound works fine on my pi
[11:51] <rvalles> using current debian image (downloaded just today), it seems to be ignoring my config.txt video stuff
[11:51] <fALSO> via hdmi, rigth ?
[11:51] <shirro> Habbie: my email was from dhl.com
[11:51] <fALSO> can you use for example, mpg123
[11:52] <Habbie> shirro, nothing in my spamfolder, either
[11:52] <Habbie> fALSO, i've only tried the analog out; i believe there's something you need to config to get it over hdmi
[11:52] <Habbie> fALSO, but i've heard many reports of people with working hdmi audio
[11:52] <fALSO> habbie, you mean you have a alsa driver ?
[11:53] <fALSO> i know that hdmi works because it doesnt need a "driver"
[11:53] <fALSO> you just pipe the data to the gpu
[11:53] <Habbie> i'm not sure what i had; i just followed instructions from the blog and mpg123 worked
[11:53] <Habbie> also, openelec worked
[11:53] <Habbie> over analog
[11:53] <fALSO> ok
[11:53] <rvalles> fALSO: yes
[11:53] <rvalles> fALSO: tried to use 68 and 69 of family 2
[11:53] <Habbie> rvalles, start with rpi-update
[11:53] <dwatkins> hooray, my Pi has arrived :D
[11:54] <rvalles> I get some real weird res, 1800x1100-ish, rather than 1920x1200
[11:54] <reider59> nice one watkins
[11:54] <rvalles> Habbie :?
[11:54] <rvalles> Habbie: care to elaborate just a little?
[11:54] <shirro> the alsa driver works for some value of works. it is no good for some things
[11:54] <Habbie> rvalles, follow the instructions on https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update to update your kernel and firmware
[11:54] <rvalles> Habbie: ok
[11:54] <rvalles> thanks
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[11:58] <steveccc> is anyone here running the fedora pi software?
[11:59] <steveccc> i wondered which is better the debian pi install or fedora pi install?
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[12:01] <fALSO> arent both linux?
[12:01] <Habbie> they are
[12:01] <fALSO> so whats the problem ?
[12:01] <fALSO> what you can do on one can do on the other
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[12:02] <Habbie> versions of software, different desktop integration, different defaults
[12:02] <steveccc> i have read things about fedora being more efficient as it was compiled specially for the hardware but then it argued that the debian version was more likely to be patched
[12:02] <Habbie> that's a good point
[12:02] <Habbie> the default debian image was compiled for a much lower-specced ARM
[12:02] <Habbie> and thus does not benefit of the pi cpu fully
[12:02] <Kolin> and fedoras package management is a bit crap
[12:02] <Habbie> raspbian exists to fix this, of course
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[12:03] <steveccc> out of us who is running fedora and who debian - just as a rough poll?
[12:03] <ReggieUK> debian here x3
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[12:04] <frankivo> i would pick any deb-os over any rpm-os :p
[12:04] <reider59> Debian here with XFCE GUI, but tried Fedora Remix, yes the dodgy one
[12:04] <ReggieUK> I don't care what the os is as long as it works
[12:04] <Habbie> i have debian and openelec sitting on SD cards; but i'm not doing anything actively yet so i can switch anytime
[12:04] <shirro> raspbian
[12:04] <steveccc> wouldnt the extra optimisation that fedora has make it quicker?
[12:04] <Habbie> the point of the SD cards -is- that you can switch anytime anyway
[12:04] <Habbie> it's likely i'll go for raspbian
[12:05] <frankivo> steveccc: quite a few are running ArchLinux
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[12:05] <shirro> yes, arch is popular
[12:05] <reider59> I`m quite likely to run Puppy once its all sorted
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[12:06] <shirro> I think Fedora use would be lower than openelec, debian, arch, raspbmc or raspbian. Nobody much uses it afaik
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[12:07] <reider59> Fedora 17 may change that, with new users the auto expansion of the SD Card and simplicity may attract them
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[12:08] <shirro> I remember getting berated by people online for using debian and then turned up to my first big linux/open source conf and bdale garbee polled the audience and practically everyone used debian. i haven't apologised since
[12:08] <reider59> especially if it ends up recognising more hardware than Debian does
[12:08] <Habbie> you should not apologise anyway
[12:09] <shirro> they were saying it was not professional to provide professional services on debian. should use redhat. load of crap
[12:09] <ExeciN> Can I power my Rpi from the GPIO headers instead of the micro USB port?
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[12:09] <shirro> ExeciN: yes, I believe you can
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[12:11] <shirro> ExeciN: you have to be careful though as I think you bypass the poly fuse.
[12:11] <ReggieUK> expansion is a trivial issue
[12:12] <ExeciN> poly fuse?
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> it's a parrot that like to eat currents.
[12:13] <Habbie> poly wants a cracker
[12:13] <Habbie> maybe the pi should get off her first
[12:13] <Habbie> etc.
[12:13] <shirro> ExeciN: there is a "resistor" that becomes high resistance past a trigger current. It is sort of like a resettable fuse. without it nothing is protecting your Pi from melting and burning your house down
[12:13] <reider59> it is for many, but some will find it problematic. Having an OS thats already sorted that and other things may attract some people
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> shirro, I've been using Debian since almost day 1 - but I get really irritated when "corporate types" insist on Red Hat )-:
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> today i'm making minature cup-cakes.
[12:14] <ExeciN> shirro: I should be fine if my source is 5V DC without those nasty spikes, right?
[12:15] <reider59> I might do curry, not sure yet
[12:15] <ReggieUK> shirro, they've got a measurable resistance even when the pi is off
[12:15] <reider59> or just buy one
[12:15] <shirro> yes, you want a well regulated 5v power supply and if you like you can provide your own fuse if that sort of thing is important to you
[12:15] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, corporate types sometimes have very good reasons to insist in redhat
[12:16] <ExeciN> I'll just use an apple charging adapter (it has a protection circuit integrated inside)
[12:16] <Habbie> apple chargers are very very good
[12:17] <Slayerduck> cuz they have such power hungry devices
[12:17] <Habbie> no, cuz they care about quality
[12:17] <Kolin> the chargers rs are selling with the pi seem a bit crap
[12:17] <Slayerduck> i can't even charge my ipad with a computer ;/
[12:18] <Ben64> cause it needs like 2A
[12:18] <Habbie> Slayerduck, most tablets do not charge on computers
[12:18] <Slayerduck> the charger from rs works fine for me ;o
[12:18] <Ben64> i made my own charger
[12:18] <Ben64> gonna make my own battery pack soon
[12:19] <shirro> I should hook a bike up to the Pi and lose some weight
[12:19] <Slayerduck> did anyone test how long 4AA's last with the raspberry ?
[12:19] <Ben64> math
[12:19] <Habbie> shirro, be sure to put a regulator in then
[12:19] <shirro> wonder how fast I would have to cycle?
[12:19] <ReggieUK> if they're rechargables, don't bother
[12:19] <Ben64> rechargables work fine
[12:19] <Slayerduck> Why not ?
[12:19] <Slayerduck> 5 AA's then :D?
[12:20] <ReggieUK> 4x1.2=3.8v
[12:20] <ReggieUK> 4.8v*
[12:20] <Ben64> i was going to use 8 or something
[12:20] <ReggieUK> about 50mv off the pi spec
[12:20] <Slayerduck> can the raspberry handle 6V ?
[12:20] <ReggieUK> no
[12:20] <ReggieUK> 5.25v is max
[12:20] <Ben64> just use a step down regulator
[12:20] <Habbie> 4.75-5.25v
[12:20] <Slayerduck> i see
[12:21] <ReggieUK> so at 4.8v it'd probably boot but not for long
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[12:21] <Ben64> rechargables are above 1.2V when fully charged though
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[12:21] <Ben64> but still, need regulator unless you like breaking your pi
[12:21] <ReggieUK> not that much above
[12:21] <ReggieUK> basically, batteries are a bad idea without decent regulation
[12:22] <Ben64> yep
[12:22] <ReggieUK> you could use a boost regulator circiot
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[12:22] <Ben64> i'm going for more batteries and more runtime
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[12:22] <Ben64> could also charge my phone from it
[12:22] <GabrialDestruir> Do any of the openelec builds fix the problem with video calibration not being saved?
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[12:59] <rvalles> /opt/vc/sbin/vcfiled: error while loading shared libraries: libvchiq_arm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:59] <rvalles> If no errors appeared, your firmware was successfully setup
[12:59] <rvalles> hmm.
[12:59] <Habbie> i had that error
[12:59] <Habbie> haven't noticed issues
[12:59] <Habbie> which doesn't mean everything, of course
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[13:00] <ShiftPlusOne> dw, that's a good error
[13:00] <reider59> approx 85,000 Rpi`s out there now
[13:00] <reider59> woo hoo
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> reider59: That's a lot of pi
[13:02] <reider59> Figures according to Liz......
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[13:02] <ShiftPlusOne> isn't it according to the map
[13:03] <reider59> she said she checked the up to date data sheets
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[13:04] <rvalles> bcm2708_fb.fbwidth=576 bcm2708_fb.fbheight=416
[13:04] <rvalles> Habbie: it's become worse
[13:04] <rvalles> rather than better.
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[13:04] <Habbie> rvalles, bah
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[13:05] <rvalles> Habbie: what now? :P
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[13:05] <Habbie> you could restore your old firmware
[13:06] <rvalles> if I had such a thing
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[13:07] <ReggieUK> for the libvchiq_arm.so error, I Think you just need to run ldconfig once after you're done
[13:07] <ReggieUK> check that it actually exists first
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[13:09] <rvalles> Your firmware is already up to date
[13:09] <rvalles> great
[13:09] <rvalles> now it refuses to prepare a new fw
[13:10] <rvalles> edited the script a little.
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[13:11] <rvalles> great, pointless, as it self-updates. Grr.
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[13:14] <rvalles> root@raspberrypi:~# /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m DMT
[13:14] <rvalles> Group DMT has 0 modes:
[13:14] <rvalles> root@raspberrypi:~# /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m CEA
[13:14] <rvalles> Group CEA has 0 modes:
[13:14] <rvalles> root@raspberrypi:~# /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s
[13:14] <rvalles> state: HPD high|DVI mode|HDCP off|composite off (0x120016), 640x480 @ 60Hz, progressive
[13:14] <rvalles> what the...
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[13:17] <megaproxy> my pi arrived
[13:17] <bjorn`> yay
[13:18] <megaproxy> well they accidently sent 2
[13:18] <megaproxy> hahaq
[13:18] <megaproxy> win
[13:19] <ReggieUK> so you're going to keep it?
[13:19] <ReggieUK> :/
[13:19] <megaproxy> ofc
[13:19] <megaproxy> well ill probs give it to a friend
[13:19] <ReggieUK> oh dear
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[13:19] <ReggieUK> so you're going to deprive the foundation of money?
[13:19] <Habbie> i doubt that's the foundation's problem
[13:19] <rvalles> the foundation? rs or farnell at most
[13:20] <megaproxy> rs
[13:20] <megaproxy> rs already bought the boards
[13:20] <Habbie> i gave my second pi to a friend too
[13:20] <megaproxy> its their fault i got 2
[13:20] <reider59> nice one, you got it anyway, that's the main point. I recall you wondering what happened to yours when others had got theirs
[13:20] <Habbie> although in my case both were paid for
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[13:20] <megaproxy> yea i was saying this morning
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[13:21] <rvalles> so stuck with crap video... ideas are welcome.
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[13:24] <rvalles> bleh, guess I'll dump arch to my other sd
[13:24] <rvalles> and copy the files from /boot there
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[13:24] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/yIPNb.jpg
[13:25] <frankivo> :(
[13:26] <frankivo> megaproxy: gimme
[13:27] <megaproxy> haha
[13:27] <megaproxy> i should ebay it for profit
[13:28] <frankivo> hehe
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[13:30] <steveccc> does anyone use the raspberrypi.org website - it has an article from early may that the fedora pi distro is the recommended one but then on the downloads page its not even listed
[13:30] <neofutur> yup things have changed I heard
[13:30] <reider59> They took it down because of problems, may be released later as Fedora Remix 17
[13:30] <neofutur> raspbian and rch are now reommended
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[13:31] <neofutur> if you like gentoo there are also working images
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[13:31] <reider59> The Fedora Remix 14 is a little buggy, login problems and stuff. I managed to get it to the GUI just to take a look at it on another SD Card. but I`m using Debian now with an XFCE GUI
[13:32] <steveccc> neofutur: raspbian isnt listed either
[13:32] <neofutur> hum the debian on http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[13:32] <neofutur> is probably what people call raspbian
[13:33] <reider59> sounds about right
[13:33] <neofutur> no idea, I just tried arch and now using gentoo
[13:33] <steveccc> neofutur: what did you think of arch?
[13:35] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/KaobK.jpg
[13:35] <shirro> neofutur: no raspbian is something else. It isn't on the download page yet because it is still being built. It is a more recent version of Debian and it is optimised for the Pi's cpu
[13:35] <megaproxy> what is the thing to the left of the logo
[13:35] <megaproxy> and to the right of hdmi bit
[13:35] <neofutur> I liked it, pretty much a cutting edge distro
[13:36] <rvalles> root@raspberrypi:/boot# cp arch/*.elf .
[13:36] <rvalles> let's see if I'm lucky.
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[13:38] <megaproxy> anyone?
[13:38] <megaproxy> it dosent seem to be on the layout pic
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> hi
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, that's the foundations Debian release - it's not Raspbian (that I'm aware of)
[13:40] <shirro> megaproxy: camera and flat panel connectors
[13:40] <megaproxy> wat
[13:40] <megaproxy> what are.. they?
[13:41] <shirro> megaproxy: csi connector for camera, and dsi for an lcd display
[13:41] <megaproxy> ribbons?
[13:41] <shirro> yes
[13:41] <megaproxy> ah ok
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> dashes downstairs again. mini cupcakes ... too time consuming! (and time critical)
[13:41] <megaproxy> so i could use a laptop screen?
[13:41] <megaproxy> bang it straight in... ?
[13:41] <r00t|home> gordonDrogon: and time to consume them? ;)
[13:41] <mjr> if one installs a csi camera, will it allow for unlimited zoom/enhance?
[13:41] <kekzpriester> megaproxy: most laptop screens als LVDS interface, not DSI interface
[13:42] <megaproxy> oh
[13:42] <megaproxy> what would use dsi?
[13:42] <megaproxy> nintendo
[13:42] <megaproxy> !
[13:42] <kekzpriester> mobile phone screens
[13:42] <megaproxy> mmm
[13:42] <cehteh> idea! are there pixelqi screens with csi?
[13:43] <megaproxy> it would probably fit in a DS
[13:43] <megaproxy> :D
[13:43] <shirro> megaproxy: they need customisation by broadcom for specific hardware
[13:43] <cehteh> no :/
[13:43] <shirro> they are goin to put out a camera module and perhaps a display later
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[13:45] <steveccc> has anyone setup a pi as a web server (lamp)
[13:45] <dennisdegreef> 20
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> r00t|home, ah, if only :)
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, someone here is running ruby, etc. on a Pi..
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> trying to remember who...
[13:46] <rvalles> no video at all with arch's fw... that's a new low.
[13:46] <rvalles> whatever, going back to the one that came with debian.
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[13:47] <steveccc> gordondrogon:does it run ok with a database I wonder - wondering if the processing power would be too feeble
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[13:47] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, "clunky" ...
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[13:47] <shirro> database transactions would be very slow on pi
[13:47] <steveccc> vm of the web server may still be the best option then
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, I'd see if something coule use sqlite rather than mysql if I were doing that myself.
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[13:48] <ReggieUK> Isn't rasbian debian but with everything being ported to use hard float?
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[13:48] <gordonDrogon> here we are: http://pi.gadgetoid.com/
[13:48] <shirro> ReggieUK: yes. debian wheezy armhf ported to armv6
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> that's a proxy for a server running on a Pi.
[13:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> No database running on my Pi though, and CouchDB map reduce does nasty things to the CPU
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> Ah-ha - there you are :)
[13:49] <shirro> ReggieUK: the port to hardfloat is done. they are porting to armv6 as Debian armhf is armv7
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> brb (again)
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[13:52] <plugwash> shirro, though I wouldn't really call it "porting"
[13:52] <plugwash> mostly rebuilding with a side of fixing package build systems
[13:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I've been throwing together my breadboarduino, ready to hook up to my Pi
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[13:54] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Once I get rid of the serial breakout board (12 rows!!!) I'll have room enough for a shift register to give me a little extra output headroom
[13:55] <megaproxy> so RE dsi screen thingy
[13:55] <megaproxy> nothign works with it *yet*
[13:55] <cehteh> anyone checked yet if the gpio pins are stable at powerup?
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[13:57] <shirro> megaproxy: that is about it. They are working on camera module first http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1254
[13:58] <megaproxy> thats a shame, but neat its there
[13:58] <megaproxy> woudl be nice to have a built in screen
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[13:58] <cehteh> they could saved a few cents by not populating the camera and monitor connectors :P
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[13:59] <ReggieUK> they could but then they don't have an upgrade path that other people can't eat into
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[14:00] <IT_Sean> they do plan on releasing both camera and display modules, making those ports necessary
[14:00] <cehteh> ah ok
[14:00] <cehteh> ReggieUK: how are your experiments with SD card improvemnts going?
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[14:01] <cehteh> is there something else one can do than set init_emmc_clock?
[14:01] <cehteh> (except kernel hacking)
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[14:02] <ReggieUK> not that I know of
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[14:03] <ReggieUK> the only progress I've made is that I've managed to install gcc and compile a kernel
[14:04] <mythos> ReggieUK, oh, you did that? are there some patches needed for the pi? or do you use a vanilla one?
[14:04] <cehteh> there is a rpi kernel repository
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[14:04] <ReggieUK> not sure I understand you?
[14:04] <mythos> cehteh, oh, good to know
[14:05] <ReggieUK> I followed the sparse instructions on the wiki on how to compile a kernel for ubuntu 11.05 and above
[14:05] <cehteh> with some rpi patches .. i already fetched vanilla too
[14:05] <mythos> oh, there is an articel on elinux... thanks
[14:05] <cehteh> going to rebase rpi on vanilla .. but if it makes problems i give up :P
[14:05] <ReggieUK> which involves just downloading a kernel from the git repo
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[14:06] <ReggieUK> erm, sorry, which involves downloading the kernel *sources* from the git repo
[14:07] <cehteh> lemme try
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[14:09] <cehteh> git isnt exactly fast with the kerneltree on the device :P ..
[14:10] <megaproxy> how well can rpi handle a normal gui?
[14:10] <ReggieUK> I didn't compile my kernel on the pi
[14:11] <ReggieUK> I Cross compiled it in ubuntu
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[14:11] <ReggieUK> it's incredibly simple to do once you get gcc 4.6 installed
[14:11] <IT_Sean> megaproxy: the Official distribution has one, which works. It's not going to be a speed demon, but, you can type startx and try it for yourself.
[14:11] <megaproxy> hm ok
[14:11] <cehteh> megaproxy: depends on your definition of normal
[14:11] <megaproxy> also question 2
[14:11] <megaproxy> this is for a buddy
[14:11] <ReggieUK> I have a quick question too
[14:11] <cehteh> lxde works well
[14:11] <megaproxy> but he just plugged his in and everything
[14:11] <megaproxy> it boots
[14:11] <megaproxy> but keyboard dosent work, something about not being able to restart/start usb host?
[14:12] <cehteh> ReggieUK: i just compile on device, thats fun :)
[14:12] <ReggieUK> with regard to the memory split, does X performance improve with more memory given to the gpu?
[14:12] <Maxx_> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Raspberry-Pi-order-code-Bestellcode-/180901803872?pt=DE_Technik_Computer_Peripherieger%C3%A4te_PC_Systeme&hash=item2a1e967760#ht_500wt_1156
[14:12] <frankivo> lol
[14:12] <cehteh> ReggieUK: likely not much, currently X is all software and only needs the framebuffer and little else
[14:12] <shirro> ReggieUK: no X just runs on the framebuffer. No accel. Nothiing makes it faster
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[14:12] <ReggieUK> cehteh, I can see the appeal for some but sitting around for hours waiting for something to compile when I could be testing new code in 5-10minutes is not my idea of fun
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[14:13] <cehteh> i'll check that .. with ccache the next kernel compile might be faster
[14:13] <ReggieUK> shirro/ cehteh, I had a feeling it wouldn't but thought I'd ask, so essentially the gpu split is only really useful for 3d stuff using opengl?
[14:14] <cehteh> and hardware video decoding
[14:14] <Baneat> Hey, okay I finally got all my peripherals working with a 850mA power adapter. If I wanted to set up streaming video files from this windows PC to my pi device (using network share folders) what distro would I use?
[14:14] <cehteh> (why isnt there an image with 256/0 split? :))
[14:14] <ReggieUK> but it will still hardware decode with teh 32mb split?
[14:14] <ReggieUK> I'm wondering why they haven't done splits all the way down to 1MB (even thats generous)
[14:14] <cehteh> depends .. currently there is only one decoder and i didnt tested it
[14:15] <cehteh> hardware accelerated .. means its still software which may need buffers and that depends on the implementation
[14:15] <cehteh> well they prolly wanted a framebuffer at least for the console
[14:16] <ReggieUK> indeed but a 1MB split would cope with double buffering at low res
[14:18] <mjr> a really low gpu memory split would be nice, though we don't actually know what the gpu wastes memory for
[14:20] <IT_Sean> How is the memory split handled? I mean, my understanding is that the config file gives you the choice of one of three (or four?) splits. However, would it be possible to set whatever split you wanted, somehow?
[14:20] <cehteh> thats trade secret :P .. the gpu starts the system, not the cpu
[14:20] <cehteh> and thats handled by the gpu firmware
[14:20] <IT_Sean> awe bugger.
[14:21] <RaYmAn> iirc the forum has examples of different slits
[14:21] <RaYmAn> splits
[14:21] <RaYmAn> binary hacks of the start.elf
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[14:24] <D-side> in true time-wasting fashion, i couldnt get a prebuilt image of openelec booted last night, so i grabbed it's source via git and compiled everything.
[14:24] <D-side> it does work now, at least.
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[14:26] <mjr> RaYmAn, one can binary hack the start.elf? it's not cryptographically signed? well that's a surprise, actually. :]
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[14:26] <RaYmAn> mjr: apparently not. Tbh, I don't think anything on the Pi is signed
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[14:29] <Habbie> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1354
[14:29] <Habbie> awesome
[14:29] <Habbie> and snug
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[14:30] <cehteh> ok .. rebasing on the vanilla kernel is little more work, aborted that for now
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[14:32] <Baneat> I installed Debian on my rPi.. but it's just a command line
[14:32] <Baneat> How do I get GNOME or KDE or whatever it runs to work?
[14:32] <Habbie> startx
[14:32] <Baneat> okey dokey cheers
[14:32] <Baneat> do I need to do that every time I boot it?
[14:32] <Baneat> tbh it uses so little power I might just leave it on
[14:32] <Habbie> you can edit a file, i think /etc/inittab, to change that
[14:33] <Habbie> it's not a raspi specific question, so the internet should be full of HOWTOs
[14:33] <Baneat> I've never had a distro that booted in command line by default
[14:33] <Habbie> good tip there in any case - most questions you might have may not be raspi-specific
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> right. done. no more baking!
[14:33] <cehteh> well you get lxde not gnome or kde
[14:34] <Habbie> true
[14:34] <Baneat> I take it GNOME is off the table for the distros?
[14:34] <Habbie> but you can install either
[14:34] <Baneat> ooh
[14:34] <Habbie> you shouldn't want to, with the limited RAM though
[14:34] <cehteh> there is some way to start gdm right from the beginning
[14:34] <Habbie> gdm is good
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> however there's 130 cup cakes to decorate, along with 2 victoria sandwitches to fill, and the death by chocolate cakes to fill & cover...
[14:34] <Baneat> so lxde is recommended?
[14:34] <cehteh> console is recommended :P
[14:34] <Baneat> 130 cup cakes oh god
[14:34] <Habbie> lxde is small and snappy and very usable
[14:34] <Habbie> there are a -lot- of alternatives
[14:34] <Habbie> i used fluxbox for years
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> Baneat, low memory applications are recomended ;-)
[14:34] <Habbie> it's even lighter
[14:34] <Habbie> it also offers less integration
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[14:35] <Habbie> you should play around :)
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[14:35] <gordonDrogon> however I have been running fvwn4 under Raspbian and it's OK for what I've been doing - mostly X terms, but I've run up midori and it's usable, if a shade slow.
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[14:36] <ratherDashing> i think everyone will be happy to hear: irssi works like a charm in raspbian :)
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[14:36] <Habbie> ratherDashing, hah :)
[14:37] <ratherDashing> i used to use an old dd-wrt router as my vpn when i'm at work (that blocks everything) so now I switched to my raspberry pi which works MUCH better
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> haha.. just noticed the front-page on raspberrypi.org - a neat little Lego case!
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> I liek the way she did the Raspberry logo to :)
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[14:38] <ratherDashing> mine is sitting on it's anti-static bag on top of my A/V receiver, that's my case
[14:38] <Habbie> ratherDashing, hah, i did the same
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[14:39] <ratherDashing> yeah i'm waiting for xbmc to settle down on either openelec or raspbmc and then i'm going to try to turn it into a media center, either that or try to get it to work on raspbian because I like to have a full distrobution on it.
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> just make sure the anti static bag is non-conductive - I gather some of them are. (although the ones I tested aren't)
[14:40] <Baneat> What's openelec?
[14:40] <Baneat> Is there two xbmc distributions?
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[14:41] <reider59> I'm waiting for the same thing with xbmc and I have an app on my Android Phone to use as a remote control for it too
[14:41] <ratherDashing> Baneat: openelec is a bare bones distro to support xbmc that has been for other devices that's currently being ported to raspberry pi. Raspbmc is a port of crystalbuntu which was coded I believe for the apple tv
[14:41] <Baneat> ohhh
[14:41] <Baneat> cool
[14:41] <ratherDashing> reider59: haha me too, it didn't work all too well with openelec
[14:42] <Baneat> When I saw that the dev for raspbmc was 18 I felt despair
[14:42] <steveccc> how do you empty the trash on lxde
[14:42] <reider59> lol, plenty to be going on with here so no rush. I`m sure we`ll get it to work somehow
[14:42] <Baneat> I take it if I want two distros I just use two different SD cards?
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> probably the easiest way.
[14:43] <reider59> just setting up my vncserver to auto start with the RPi startup
[14:43] <ReggieUK> you could in theory dualboot the pi
[14:43] <Baneat> I like Fedora so far so I'll use that + xbmc
[14:43] <ratherDashing> Baneat: yeah, i don't believe with the way that booting works on the pi you can have grub/lilo
[14:43] <Baneat> if I can get xbmc to work nice
[14:43] <ReggieUK> but you'd have to edit the cmdline.txt file each time you wanted to boot to the other distro
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[14:43] <ReggieUK> and the kernel.img would need to be swapped
[14:44] <Baneat> Can you install xbmc on a 256mb SD card?
[14:44] <Baneat> I have one spare...
[14:44] <ratherDashing> ReggieUK: you could have a quick bash script do it though. ./boot.sh Raspbian or ./boot.sh Raspbmc and it'll reboot into that distro
[14:44] <ratherDashing> but you are right, that boot partition would be a mess
[14:44] <ratherDashing> and you would need a bunch of rootfs partitions
[14:45] <ratherDashing> or pay $10 for another sd card ;)
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> if you can use the same kernel between distros, then it's possible to run one as a virtual OS under the other using LXC, however there will be the overhead of the processes running on the "host", but if you pare the host down to the bare minimal, it might be possible to fire-up one continer at a time, each with a different distro in ot.
[14:45] <ReggieUK> ratherDashing, of course
[14:45] <ratherDashing> gordonDrogon: do you have a pi? it barely runs on the metal, nevermind virtually
[14:45] <ReggieUK> it would be very easy to script
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> ratherDashing, I have 3...
[14:45] <rvalles> [Jun 08 12:38:15 UTC] OGR-NG: Benchmark for core #2 (FLEGE 2.0 ARMv5)
[14:45] <rvalles> 0.00:00:17.35 [3,932,160 nodes/sec]
[14:46] <rvalles> my pi is already working hard at distributed.net :-)
[14:46] <ratherDashing> well then you know, running a virtual computer with the RAM the pi has is no bueno
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> ratherDashing, LXC is very lightweight and gives each container 100% of the cpu - there is no overhead.
[14:46] <ratherDashing> ram is the issue
[14:46] <ReggieUK> if you can use the same kernel between distros then the only difference is the rootfs
[14:46] <ReggieUK> you wouldn't need to virtualise it
[14:46] <megaproxy> do you think i could run a minecraft server off a pi
[14:46] <megaproxy> :P
[14:46] <ReggieUK> seems pointless
[14:46] <Baneat> that's ambitious
[14:46] <Baneat> My actual computer takes a performance hit from minecraft server
[14:46] <ReggieUK> then you just need to edit cmdline.txt and point it at the correct root= device
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[14:47] <ratherDashing> i saw someone on the forums tried to run a minecraft server, took over an hour to generate the world
[14:47] <Baneat> It'd suck, someone would crash your server just by walking in one direction for a while
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> I'm fairly sure that someone was/is/has worked on a bootloader though - it works by loading a kernel and a bare-bones program to let you select which kernel/distro, then uses kexec to (re) boot it ...
[14:47] <ratherDashing> then he tried to connect to it and it never responded in time
[14:48] <Baneat> My friend was running a server for about 4 people and it used 2GB of memory at one point
[14:48] <RaYmAn> gordonDrogon: presumably just kexecboot.org then :)
[14:48] <ratherDashing> yeah one thing java isn't very good at is using very little memory, JIT is great an all, but the whole VM gets jammed into memory
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> RaYmAn, I don't know the detsils, but I guess so..
[14:49] <ratherDashing> I did notice that the cpuinfo for the pi cpu have java listed as a feature, does it have native java byte code support yah thing?
[14:49] <Baneat> So yeah is a 256mb SD card sufficient for an XBMC?
[14:49] <ratherDashing> *think?
[14:49] <shirro> it is funny considering the origins of java
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazelle
[14:50] <shirro> gordonDrogon: deprecated
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> yea,
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> lunchtime.
[14:52] <Baneat> I can't find the raspberry pi image of OpenELEC
[14:52] <Baneat> I see all sorts on their site
[14:52] <shirro> ratherDashing: there is and never likely will be an open java running on jazelle - it is all secret. And nobody uses it anymore because it has been replaced in later cpus.
[14:52] <ratherDashing> yeah they didn't produce a .img yet, do you have a linux box?
[14:53] <trevorman> Baneat: http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/ if you want the installation you do yourself or if you're trying to use update
[14:53] <Baneat> I'm gonna go out on a limb and ask if you mean a linux install on this PC
[14:53] <trevorman> Baneat: http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/ if you want a disk image you want to write
[14:53] <ratherDashing> http://sparky0815.de/ <-- that guy makes .img nightly for openelec
[14:53] <Baneat> thank you
[14:53] <Baneat> and.. it'll be in english dashing?
[14:53] <ratherDashing> haha yes
[14:54] <Baneat> okay yeah it needs like a 2gb sd card
[14:54] <Baneat> no worries
[14:54] <trevorman> Baneat: you'll want the files from the openelec site once you're up and running as you can do the built in updates. otherwise you'll wipe out all your settings each time you apply a whole disk firmware update
[14:54] <trevorman> whole disk image update -.-
[14:55] <trevorman> Baneat: you could probably get it to work with a 512MB. the storage partition would be tiny and only for image cache + settings. you'd need to make the image yourself though.
[14:55] <Baneat> I do have a 2GB
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[14:56] <Baneat> but I have a 256mb here doing nothing
[14:56] <trevorman> 256MB?
[14:56] <Baneat> so I'll have to steal another SD card from a phone later on
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[14:56] <Norbert> What is the opposite of "startx" if I want to return to nothing but command line running?
[14:56] <trevorman> ah. misread what you wrote earlier
[14:56] <Norbert> on debian
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[14:56] <trevorman> 256MB is kinda small
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[14:56] <trevorman> you can try it but *shrug* may not be enough
[14:56] <Baneat> I know but if I was not using the distro for any storage there'd be no point
[14:57] <ratherDashing> Norbert: you can log out of of your DM, that will drop you back to your console
[14:57] <Baneat> the other xbmc things were about 128mb in size so I thought it possible
[14:57] <reider59> log out or open a terminal on the desktop
[14:57] <Norbert> ratherDashing: Thanks man!!
[14:57] <trevorman> Baneat: *shrug* you can try it. you'd need to make it from scratch though.
[14:58] <Baneat> crawl before walking then running
[14:58] <Baneat> pretty new to linux as a whole
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[14:58] <Baneat> I don't even know why I use it at all.. it does nothing for me other than look nice
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[14:59] <ratherDashing> linux is great to learn, you'll learn a lot about computers
[14:59] <ratherDashing> view it as a hobby
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[15:01] <mjr> if one really wants to stick stuff on a 256M card it sounds like exploring compressed filesystems would be called for
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[15:02] <SpeedEvil> Naah.
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> 256M is plenty for a basic non-X system
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[15:03] <ratherDashing> mjr: interested to see how that performs, the SD read performance on the pi pretty much sucks right now, but there is also an anemic CPU, so who knows who wins in that race
[15:04] <tero_> any ideas how can I format a SD card in windows that was in raspberry pi that i can use again for something else?
[15:04] <tero_> in windows it only shows around 75MB partition
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[15:05] <ratherDashing> run cmd as an admin and run "diskpart" select the sd card and run "clean" that'll wipe it in windows
[15:05] <rvalles> (==) FBDEV(0): DPMS enabled
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[15:05] <rvalles> is this as good as it gets? No driver for this bcm yet?
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[15:05] <ratherDashing> SpeedEvil: /boot is 34M and /opt/vc is 5.5M so you might be right, you could get by with 256M
[15:06] <camer00n> has anyone been able to get a small (2.x") screen attached to the RPi, and if so, how? I am currently looking at the ILI9325.
[15:06] <ratherDashing> and boot could be cleaned up, you could get rid of the heavy GPU files because you probably wouldn't be rocking X or playing videos
[15:07] <mjr> ratherDashing, heh, indeed :]
[15:07] <mjr> though apparently the sd performance is uppable (at least for many)
[15:07] <ratherDashing> they'll fix it in a firmware update *crosses fingers*
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> camer00n: In principle there are lots of options - some may need more code than others.
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> camer00n: link to it?
[15:09] <camer00n> SpeedEvil: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/221037723753
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[15:10] <frankivo> camer00n: good example photo
[15:10] <frankivo> lol
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> camer00n: ...
[15:10] <camer00n> frankivo: heh, it's not my ebay item :P
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> camer00n: I'd kinda hope for a datasheet with pinout and shizzle on the auction page
[15:11] <camer00n> i believe adafruit has some details.
[15:11] <bbb^work> SpeedEvil, ratherDashing : this is about the smallest image I've seen (107Mb usage): http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/debian-wheezy-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
[15:11] <camer00n> SpeedEvil: www.adafruit.com/datasheets/ILI9325.pdf
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> bbb^work: I'm coming from the context of me putting X+linux kernel + browser + xterm on a single 3.5" 1.44Mish floppy
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> camer00n: In principle - you could 'easily' use the SPI driver. But you will need to write a driver for it.
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> If you wanted to (say) have X displaying on it - it would involve a _lot_ of code.
[15:13] <bbb^work> SpeedEvil: Yep I know whats posible, I've done same sort of things in the past. Only problem is with that sort of solution its not easy to add stuff as doing 'apt-get install <foo>.
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[15:13] <camer00n> SpeedEvil: that is what i fear. I assume some one will be active enough to write the code at some point.... I just hope i can start something :P
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> camer00n: In addition - I don't see any mention of the SD card on that datasheet.
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> camer00n: Is it simply just a socket, brought out to pins - in which case you can ignore it.
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[15:15] <SpeedEvil> At the very least, you'd want a pinout diagram - contact them to see if they have one before buying
[15:16] <camer00n> SpeedEvil: I have been talking to the guys at #dingoonity. They develop for the OpenDingux, a linux port onto the Dingoo which uses the ILI9325 display. It however uses a JZ4740 controller. Not sure if that would make the driver useless for my purpose.
[15:17] <camer00n> SpeedEvil: there's not much on the board from the pictures, so i imagine it's just a socket brought out to pins
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[15:19] <SpeedEvil> The connection may vary - if it's not using SPI in that device - or the above board doesn't support SPI, ...
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> Also - you can't tell what's under the display module
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[15:21] <snaipperi> ugh, my rs components power adapter cuts the power if the wire is shaken a bit, the microusb connector of the wire sucks :F
[15:21] <camer00n> SpeedEvil: how do you tell if the board supports SPI?
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[15:23] <SpeedEvil> camer00n: Well - a datasheet would be good.
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[15:23] <SpeedEvil> Of the board.
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> Giving pinouts and stuff.
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise, you need to buy one, and trace the wires.
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[15:23] <SpeedEvil> Which is at best annoying, at worst you kill the board after connecting power in the wrong place.
[15:24] <camer00n> SpeedEvil: guessing there is no area (that you know of) where people have been looking into this?
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[15:25] <camer00n> the LCD i can deal with breaking... the raspberry pi... definitely not... it will takes months to get a replacement :P
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> camer00n: Unless you can find some place using that particular board, ...
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> camer00n: Contact the seller, ask for any data they ahve on it
[15:26] <camer00n> SpeedEvil: Just a waiting game now, I have sent the message
[15:27] <rvalles> (==) FBDEV(0): DPMS enabled --> is this as good as it gets for X? No driver for this bcm yet?
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[15:27] <megaproxy> my RS power thing is dodgy too
[15:27] <megaproxy> keyboard wont work with it
[15:28] <megaproxy> power it with a diff cable, keyboard works
[15:28] <megaproxy> rly odd
[15:28] <rvalles> using my monitor's usb hub to power mine
[15:28] <techman2> rvalles: there are no accelerated X gpu drivers at this stage. work in progress.
[15:29] <rvalles> techman2: ok
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[15:30] <Diogo> hi..
[15:30] <Diogo> anyone can tell me if is possible to disable the lights of raspberry pi..
[15:31] <drazyltoo> angle grinder
[15:31] <Diogo> i need to sleep in my room..
[15:31] <Diogo> :D
[15:31] <ratherDashing> Diogo: yep, electric tape
[15:31] <Diogo> no
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[15:31] <drazyltoo> turn it upside down?
[15:31] <Diogo> the light of power , ethernet...
[15:31] <ratherDashing> Diogo: yeah, take a strip of black electric tape and put it over the lights
[15:32] <Diogo> this is not danger ?
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[15:32] <ratherDashing> electric tape is specifically designed to not short things out
[15:33] <Diogo> ok thanks..
[15:33] <Crenn-NAS> What is git called?
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[15:34] <Crenn-NAS> I mean on the debian repository cache
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[15:35] <ratherDashing> sudo apt-get -y install git-core
[15:35] <rvalles> techman2: where's the ongoing work on it?
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[15:35] <Crenn-NAS> ratherDashing: Thanks
[15:35] <Crenn-NAS> Just realised I've already installed it xD
[15:36] <ratherDashing> yeah it's installed by default
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[15:36] <techman2> rvalles: all I know is teh_orph is working on it, no idea about where to find code etc.
[15:36] <drazyltoo> "apt-cache search <something> "is your friend
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[15:37] <ratherDashing> drazyltoo: try that with "git" :) it's a mess!
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[15:38] <the_cuckoo> so the baby phones i was muttering about earlier ended up costing 109 euro - definitely would have been cheaper with the baby piphones instead :)
[15:38] <drazyltoo> yeah, but it's the old teach to fish issue
[15:39] <Crenn-NAS> drazyltoo: I searched for git
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[15:39] <Crenn-NAS> I'll say this... it's a long list
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[15:42] <aaa801> yay i got flash working :D
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[15:42] <ratherDashing> aaa801: which browser and what flash alternative did you use
[15:42] <aaa801> gnash
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[15:43] <D-side> this blanking piece of blank openelect makes me want to throw it out the window
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[15:43] <aaa801> rartherDashing: i havnt got it working in the browser yet, going to build it from scratch to see if i can get the gpu acceleration
[15:43] <aaa801> but it works standalone
[15:44] <syntax_erorr> Hey all, could someone please point me to a web page that explains how to install the GPU drivers for Debain? I can't seem to find any info on this.
[15:44] <ratherDashing> aaa801: you can only get gpu acceleration if gnash supports opengl es 2.0
[15:44] <ratherDashing> that's the only thing accelerated, besides raw videoes
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[15:44] <ratherDashing> syntax_erorr: ls /opt/vc/lig
[15:45] <ratherDashing> syntax_erorr: you should see a bunch of libs, those are the drivers
[15:45] <ratherDashing> if they aren't loading properly go to /etc/ld.so.conf and create a file called broadcomlib.conf and add that directory there and sudo ldconfig
[15:46] <syntax_erorr> Thats all there is to it?
[15:46] <ratherDashing> if they are there, they should be :)
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[15:47] <syntax_erorr> I know there were files in /opt/vc I just didn't know what to do with them
[15:47] <syntax_erorr> modules for linux is still a mystery to me.
[15:48] <nemo> ratherDashing: BTW, on the subject of getting hedgewars to support GL accel on pi
[15:48] <ratherDashing> yeah i think the default debian distro forgot to put them in the ldconfig
[15:48] <nemo> ratherDashing: Unless I'm gonna dig into the internals of SDL, I may have a bit of a problem
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[15:48] <nemo> ratherDashing: playing a non-interactive demo or AI vs AI shouldn't be an issue, but if I rewrote context creation, we'd lose SDL I/O
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[15:49] <ratherDashing> is that all you use sdl for? i know you mentioned you didn't use it to draw
[15:49] <nemo> ratherDashing: well. the only thing that involves the window
[15:49] <nemo> ratherDashing: we use SDL for a few other things. loading images (we might rewrite that due to a stupid limitation in SDL1.2)
[15:49] <nemo> network
[15:50] <nemo> oh. fonts of course
[15:50] <nemo> aaand sound
[15:50] <ratherDashing> haha so it's not going away
[15:50] <nemo> naw
[15:50] <nemo> ratherDashing: but wouldn't really want to do that anyway
[15:50] <ratherDashing> yeah i agree, the portability is what you want with sdl
[15:51] <ratherDashing> has anyone seen if anyone is picking up and running with a opengl es 2.0 rendered for SDL, that would fix a bunch of issues
[15:51] <nemo> ratherDashing: I might implement the gl context creation thing just for fun of watching the pi do an AI vs AI hedgewars "screensaver"
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[15:51] <nemo> ratherDashing: I expect getting an actual SDL dev a pi would help
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[15:52] <nemo> ratherDashing: I've submitted *small* patches to SDL
[15:52] <ratherDashing> yeah i wouldn't even know where to start, i've never dug actually into sdl
[15:52] <nemo> and I've dug through their gl layer in the past
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[15:52] <nemo> but I don't realllly want to try this
[15:52] <nemo> have more than enough other things to do
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[15:52] <ratherDashing> yeah nor do i want to try the accelerated X driver for open gl
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[15:53] <ratherDashing> has anyone just setup DMA yet? I think that would help a lot with X
[15:53] <ratherDashing> get us part of the way there
[15:53] <dirty_d> whats that thing called
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[15:54] <politoed> love
[15:54] <frankivo> wow
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[15:54] <dirty_d> DirectFB
[15:54] <dirty_d> is that usable on the pi?
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> phew. can relax for a bit!
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> quick scan back...
[16:06] <frankivo> :o
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> directFB - SDL - all usable on the console.
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> no hardware acceleration - yet...
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> what's needed for fast 2D stuff is to get the GPU to act as a blitter..
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[16:07] <aaa801> D: my pi crashed =/
[16:08] <frankivo> you shouldnt let it fly
[16:08] <D-side> what os distro
[16:08] <rvalles> aaa801: is it overclocked?
[16:09] <IT_Sean> did the airbags deploy? Is there unibody damage? do you have insurance?
[16:09] <aaa801> rvalles: nope
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[16:09] <D-side> if i havent mentioned this before, i'm seriously impressed by this thing's h.264 decoding ability
[16:09] <ratherDashing> yeah local files it plays great
[16:09] <syntax_erorr> Is there any wiki or manual that talks about the files in /opt/vc?
[16:09] <ratherDashing> decoding audio sucks
[16:10] <D-side> ratherDashing: i've got it going through SMB and AFP shares
[16:10] <D-side> i'm passing an AC3 stream directly through to my receiver
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> AV isn't an area I have a lot of expertise in ..
[16:10] <ratherDashing> it hiccups a bunch when I do it
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[16:10] <ratherDashing> yeah, passthrough works great
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[16:10] <ratherDashing> syntax_erorr: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux thats the repo
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[16:11] <rotozip> Got my Pi finally. Running it headless, got Avahi installed, tightvnc, and am vnc'd in from my mac. Having fun now.
[16:11] <syntax_erorr> ratherDashing, thanks
[16:11] <aaa801> <3 xcrp
[16:11] <gmjhowe> Nice
[16:11] <aaa801> xrdp*
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> I just have some chocolare ganash to make for the death by chocolate cakes - leaving that until later as it's got fresh cream in it.
[16:11] <Butcho> Just got my RaspberryPi! Can't use it yet because I don't have a 2G SD card. Was going to order one and a wireless card. Can anyone recommend a wireless dongle for it that has minimal fuss to get it working?
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[16:11] <rvalles> hm, is the arch image hardfp?
[16:11] <aaa801> u didnt buy a sd card..?
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> a 2G SD card?
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[16:11] <Butcho> right
[16:12] <aaa801> have you got a sdcard 2gb+
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[16:12] <gordonDrogon> doh - had my head in the clouds there - 2 Gigs, not 2G GSM!!!
[16:12] <Butcho> I have a 1gig
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[16:12] <aaa801> aha, your screwed then <3
[16:12] <Butcho> yes, yes I am
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> You might get the raspbian installer on that ...
[16:12] <dirty_d> D-side, whats it being passed through to?
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[16:12] <aaa801> i need to resize my stupid system partitions because i just filled up the dam 2gb partition
[16:13] <aaa801> ;P
[16:13] <D-side> dirty_d: pioneer receiver
[16:13] <dirty_d> oh
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[16:13] <dirty_d> i dont think that will work with just a tv right?
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, do it live: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[16:13] <D-side> dirty_d: depends on the content
[16:13] <dirty_d> im having omxplayer decode the AC3
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[16:13] <dirty_d> works fine
[16:13] <dirty_d> it cant handle DTS though
[16:13] <D-side> my content has both two channel and 5.1 channel audio streams
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[16:14] <Butcho> anyway, before I order a 32gb SD card.. anyone recommend a wireless dongle to go along with it that installs/configures with minimal fuss?
[16:14] <dirty_d> luckily re-encoding a full HD movie on my main computer to AC# only takes like 3 minutes
[16:14] <dirty_d> AC3
[16:14] <D-side> (so i can play them on the iphone/ipad, and then appletv/bravia tv/now rpi)
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[16:14] <dirty_d> Butcho, why 32GB?
[16:14] <Butcho> cause they are cheap?
[16:15] <Butcho> 20 dollars
[16:15] <dirty_d> you really only need like 4
[16:15] <rotozip> I got a 8GB SanDisk SD card on Amazon for US $5.68 shipped.
[16:15] <ratherDashing> Butcho: atheros works well in linux http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros
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[16:16] <D-side> i'm gonna go get like 3 or 4 4GB sd cards today i think
[16:16] <ratherDashing> the open source when they can and binary blob when they can't so usually minimal hacking. you will have to "sudo install atheros-firmware" before it works though, so make sure you have something to plug in the ethernet to get that package
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest mounting ore data off a local server if you are running one rather than putting in huge SD cards...
[16:17] <D-side> i'd never even consider putting local content on
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> use a USB data key thingy to play local content, etc.
[16:17] <Mrgoose2> got my seconds pi today
[16:17] <D-side> unless i was doign a demo or something
[16:17] <D-side> i didnt just put together a stupidly expensive NAS just to dump things to SD :)
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> Butcho, be careful with the wifi dongle - some are power hungry and the Pi is limited to 140mA per USB port - maybe best get a powered hub...
[16:18] <Butcho> atheros, got it. netgear WNA1100 uses atheros
[16:18] <D-side> I've got a WNA1100
[16:18] <D-side> it worked on my rpi for about 10 minutes
[16:18] <D-side> it stopped because of something I did i'ms ure.
[16:18] <D-side> i'm sure
[16:18] <dirty_d> anyone played with a webcam yet?
[16:18] <ratherDashing> gordonDrogon: excellent point. i have an external SELF-POWERED HDD that drew too much power, had to order a powered hub (that's in the mail)
[16:18] <megaproxy> http://images.maplin.co.uk/300/A40LG_CNM.jpg
[16:19] <megaproxy> is that the right type of card?
[16:19] <megaproxy> and speed..
[16:19] <dirty_d> should work, looks cheap though
[16:19] <dirty_d> check out the supported hardware list
[16:19] <megaproxy> it is :D
[16:19] <dirty_d> and buy one that you know will work
[16:20] <dirty_d> i got a class 6 4GB SanDisk ultra
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> I got a LOGIC one from PC world...
[16:20] <dirty_d> works fine
[16:20] <megaproxy> http://www.maplin.co.uk/sandisk-extreme-4gb-sdhc-uhs-i-card-611371
[16:20] <megaproxy> bon?
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, what's what I'm using too. although I have some kingston 4GB class 4 ones that are fine.
[16:20] <megaproxy> thats class 10
[16:20] <megaproxy> :D
[16:20] <megaproxy> ill go with that..
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[16:21] <D-side> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[16:21] <megaproxy> balls
[16:21] <D-side> i'm looking at tested/known-working SD cards now
[16:21] <megaproxy> 0 in stock
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, that's a class 10 card - not guaranteed to work...
[16:21] <megaproxy> oh.
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[16:21] <Butcho> avoid class 10?
[16:22] <D-side> that's what i'm hearing
[16:22] <dirty_d> megaproxy, use one from here http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_SD_Cards
[16:22] <D-side> apparnetly they're great for sustained writes
[16:22] <D-side> which no one will really be doing with this i think
[16:22] <Crenn-NAS> Class 10 is a random thing... sort of
[16:22] <megaproxy> http://www.maplin.co.uk/sandisk-ultra-8gb-sdhc-card-611374
[16:22] <megaproxy> idk what one that is..
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[16:24] <gmjhowe> I got a 32gb Micro SD from ebuyer for ??10 in a recent offer
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[16:24] <syntax_erorr> The git repo really doesn't provide any information about the files located in /opt/vc. I swore I remember reading a wiki page that detailed what the files where and how to use them somwhere but I can't find it now.
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> Hm. the cards I got from mymemory are no-longer avalable!
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> syntax_erorr, post on the forums - Dom might be able to explain...
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[16:34] <wadjio9> gordonDrogon: maybe they were on a last of line sale
[16:35] <wadjio9> end of line I mean
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[16:40] <gordonDrogon> possibly... or possibly eveyone else bought them up after I mentioned it - or after whoever mentioned it to me mentioned it!
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[16:41] <dirty_d> OMX_PARAM_BRCMVIDEODECODEERRORCONCEALMENTTYPE concanParam;
[16:41] <dirty_d> really???
[16:41] <D-side> ol
[16:41] <D-side> its descriptive at least
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[16:43] <Habbie> there
[16:43] <Habbie> ordering the edimax wifi dongle
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[16:43] <rvalles> Is the arch image hardfp?
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[16:43] <dirty_d> rvalles, no softfp
[16:43] <rvalles> dirty_d: is anything hardfp?
[16:43] <ratherDashing> raspbian
[16:44] <dirty_d> rvalles, im not sure, but i dont believe its much of a difference
[16:44] <rvalles> :?
[16:44] <D-side> so far i've used raspbmc and openelec
[16:44] <D-side> is raspbian any good?
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[16:44] <ratherDashing> i'm on a hard fp distro if anyone wants me to run some sort of benchmark
[16:44] <JohnTeddy> How can I connect over Wifi with WPA2?
[16:44] <JohnTeddy> Is there a simple guide somewhere?
[16:44] <ratherDashing> it's just debian wheezy recompiled hardfp
[16:44] <D-side> huh
[16:45] <D-side> is wheezy current, or one behind
[16:45] <ratherDashing> JohnTeddy: google "Linux Wireless WPA2"
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[16:45] <haltdef> wheezy is testing
[16:45] <D-side> i thought squeeze ws current, no?
[16:45] <D-side> er
[16:45] <D-side> what happened to sid
[16:45] <haltdef> squeeze is stable
[16:45] <haltdef> sid is unstable
[16:45] <ratherDashing> squeeze is stable, wheezy is testing, sid is unstable
[16:45] <D-side> OH RIGHT
[16:45] <D-side> forgot entirely
[16:45] <Habbie> any other tools or gadgets i should order for my pi while i'm at it, besides the edimax wifi? :)
[16:45] <haltdef> I only recently got the sid bit
[16:45] <D-side> i turned my back on debian years ago and this is the first i've had to deal with it again
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[16:45] <D-side> stays in development
[16:46] <haltdef> gentoo used to be my distro of choice (when I had to deal with linux), debian has suddenly forced its way to the top of my list for some reason
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> D-side, I've used Debian since day 2 - still getting the hang of it ;-)
[16:46] <dirty_d> syntax_erorr, might wanna look at omxplayers source code
[16:47] <ratherDashing> gentoo is good for making the perfect desktop, totally useless as a server though
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[16:47] <D-side> gentoo :|
[16:47] <haltdef> my server used to run windows until 2 months ago :P
[16:47] <ratherDashing> 2008R2 isn't a bad server distro, nor was 2003
[16:47] <ratherDashing> at lot of stuff at work I use 2008R2
[16:48] <haltdef> it made sense at the time for me
[16:48] <haltdef> just had a simple disk span
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[16:48] <haltdef> actually no, I remember now, it wasn't a fileserver at all, didn't do much of anything .. all of the storage was in my desktop
[16:48] <haltdef> made a raid5 on server, windows started to make less sense
[16:49] <haltdef> new update for something I don't even use .. REBOOT
[16:49] <D-side> span?
[16:49] <D-side> erf
[16:49] <D-side> that's
[16:50] <haltdef> ?
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[16:51] <D-side> a simple span = data loss if you lose a disk
[16:51] <D-side> no bueno
[16:51] <D-side> unless you dont care
[16:51] <haltdef> yep
[16:52] <haltdef> is why I built a raid5
[16:52] <D-side> indeed
[16:52] <D-side> i just built a box for use with openmediavault(.org)
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> sure you don't want raid6 ?
[16:52] <D-side> probably
[16:52] <D-side> n-2 and way longer rebuild times
[16:52] <syntax_erorr> What is the difference? 2 partily drives?
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[16:52] <gordonDrogon> as disk sizes increase the probability of getting a 2nd failure during a reconstruction goes up.
[16:53] <D-side> two parity stripes, not dedicated drives
[16:53] <syntax_erorr> ah
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> raid 6 gives you the ability to recover from any 2 drive failures.
[16:53] <D-side> gordonDrogon: true for arrays >6 spindles really
[16:53] <syntax_erorr> so does raid 5
[16:53] <D-side> for home, cost/benefit
[16:53] <D-side> 5 wins in that regard, for me
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> I have a raid6 on a 5- drive set...
[16:53] <D-side> okay
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> sure - possibly for home. not for mission critical stuff.
[16:53] <D-side> i'm only discussing home
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> my home servers are mirrored drives.
[16:54] <dirty_d> syntax_erorr, find anything out, im curious as well
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> raid1
[16:54] <haltdef> raid6 is part of the reason I moved from my fakeraid card to linux md .. no raid6 support
[16:54] <dirty_d> syntax_erorr, ive found a bunch of the exported functions in the code for omxplayer, but i still have no diea what they do
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[16:54] <syntax_erorr> Well, not really I haven't had much time to look. I'm kinda in bewteen this and my real job right now hah
[16:55] <elspuddy> hmmm, Last login: Thu Jan 1 01:01:31 1970 <-- the pi was around then ?? :P
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> I stopped using hardware raid card swhen Linux raid was stable - and that was a long time back for me...
[16:55] <haltdef> only have 3 drives so it's no problem now
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[16:55] <gordonDrogon> elspuddy, check the date/time. it has no clock....
[16:55] <haltdef> plus two for the OS and /home in raid1
[16:55] <haltdef> (MUCH faster than ich8's raid1)
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[16:56] <dirty_d> syntax_erorr, me too, haha
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> you might want to look at raid10 if you do lots of streaming - it can be as fast as raid0
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> however it's not good for random IO, nor writes.
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> brb delivery.
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[17:02] <JohnTeddy> ratherDashing: If I'm connecting to two devices, one on eth0 and one on wlan0, I'm currently ssh'ed in from work to eth0... how can I make sure wlan0 works before disconnecting?
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[17:03] <elspuddy> question, when editing the ntp.conf file, can i add more then one ntp sevrer ?
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> elspuddy, yes.
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> route add www.wherever.com wlan0
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> then load that site
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> elspuddy, the standard debian one should have 4 or 5 servers in it.
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> elspuddy: you should generally add several
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> server 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> server 2.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> server 3.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
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[17:04] <gordonDrogon> or in general, uk.pool.ntp.org if your in the UK, etc. (and you can include the same name like taht more than once as the uk.pool ones ar ereally several servers with round-robin DNS.
[17:05] <syntax_erorr> JohnTeddy, ifconfig wlan0 see if it has an ip
[17:05] <JohnTeddy> syntax_erorr: It has an ip address.
[17:05] <syntax_erorr> I think it would be ok then. as long as you don'thave any firewall rules
[17:05] <JohnTeddy> syntax_erorr: I have to use a command line web browser to connect to the router on wlan0, port forward, then turn off eth0
[17:05] <JohnTeddy> Can all this be done remotely?
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> JohnTeddy, do you feel lucky? ;-)
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[17:06] <syntax_erorr> Also make sure you sshd is set to list on wlan0
[17:06] <syntax_erorr> listen*
[17:06] <elspuddy> exelent, thanks :)
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[17:07] <JohnTeddy> gordonDrogon: How do I specify for a command to use a certain interface?
[17:07] <dirty_d> syntax_erorr, oh, there are some example program's source in /opt/vc/src using the libraries
[17:07] <JohnTeddy> I can see wlan0 has 192.168.1.101, but I need to connect to 192.168.1.1 on wlan0, not 192.168.1.1 on eth0 (which also exists)
[17:08] <steveccc> is everyones power connector very tight - mine takes quite a push to get it in
[17:08] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Turns out it's really hard, if not impossible, to program an arduino using a breakout board without the headers soldered on :D
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[17:08] <gordonDrogon> JohnTeddy, that's hard- you need to look into policy routing and binding routes to PIDs/UIDs (which I think you can do, but it's quite advanced Linux routing/firewalling)
[17:08] <syntax_erorr> dirty_d, thanks
[17:08] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I can bend it enough to get the power working, and the standard blinkenlight program running??? but making a good enough contact for serial programming??? noooppppe nope nope!
[17:08] <trevorman> Gadgetoid_mbp: jam the header in at an angle and apply pressure. just hope that you can hold it on without moving for however long it takes to program :P
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> JohnTeddy, it's easier to select destinations to use interfaces if that's what you need..
[17:08] <trevorman> or blutack. that works
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> sugru - the new blutak ...
[17:09] <JohnTeddy> gordonDrogon: How do I do that/
[17:09] <Gadgetoid_mbp> trevorman: Did that to power it up, doesn't want to work for programming??? I tried far longer than I really should have
[17:09] <syntax_erorr> JohnTeddy, Are you trying to connect to your eth0 from your wlan0?
[17:10] <JohnTeddy> syntax_erorr: no.
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> JohnTeddy, http://lartc.org/ is the definitive site for that stuff, but to add in a route to a destination, then sudo route add -host www.google.co.uk dev wlan0
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> should make all data going to www.google.co.uk go via the wlan0 interface.
[17:10] <megaproxy> ok
[17:10] <megaproxy> got my sd card
[17:10] <megaproxy> and took dog for a walk.
[17:11] <megaproxy> now lets get a image
[17:11] <megaproxy> should i start with the rpi one
[17:11] <JohnTeddy> I setup eth0 because I couldn't figure out wlan0. I ssh'd in over eth0 from work.. because I'm not working and I wanted to play. Now it seems I have wlan0 working with an ip address, though I need to use elinks to connect to 192.168.1.1 to port forward 22 on wlan0
[17:11] <megaproxy> or go straight for the media centre
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> JohnTeddy, do you have another PC on your LAN you can remote into?
[17:11] <JohnTeddy> Once I do that, I can screen sudo ifconfig eth0down; screen ifconfig wlan0 down; screen ifconfig wlan0 up;
[17:11] <JohnTeddy> gordonDrogon: no
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> JohnTeddy, you could ping the wlan interface from there to check it.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> JohnTeddy, maybe best to wait until you get home ;-)
[17:12] <steveccc> has anyone listened to a good podcast about the pi
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, is anyone saying anything 'good' ?
[17:12] <megaproxy> debian6-19-04-2012.zip
[17:12] <megaproxy> is this what i want?
[17:13] <steveccc> gordondrogon: I havent heard one - just wondered if anyone had found any - wouldnt mind downloading a few
[17:14] <megaproxy> also is there a pi subreddit..
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, othe than the PR stuff, I really don' know what's out there...
[17:14] <megaproxy> found the sub, nvm
[17:14] <trevorman> megaproxy: yeah
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> maybe we can make our own podcasts :)
[17:15] <megaproxy> i make a podcast!
[17:15] <megaproxy> unrelated to this tho..
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> I made one a while back - was put on the spot to talk about IRC!!!
[17:15] <megaproxy> haha
[17:15] <megaproxy> mines related to trees
[17:15] * megaproxy mods r/trees
[17:15] <megaproxy> and another mod and myself make the podcast
[17:15] <megaproxy> its pretty fun to do :D
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[17:16] <Tiksi[work]> r/trees has podcasts?
[17:16] <Tiksi[work]> wut
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> right. I need to get back to the kitchen now. one last thing to do tonight (I hope). Make the chocolate ganash for the death by chocolate cakes...
[17:16] <megaproxy> Tiksi[work], yea
[17:16] <megaproxy> http://teahc.co.uk
[17:16] <megaproxy> we have tshirts now too :D
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> laters
[17:17] <megaproxy> peace o/
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[17:17] <Tiksi[work]> wow, that's pretty intense. I only lurk from time to time
[17:18] <megaproxy> http://www.mmmpineapple.com/products/teahc < tshirt :D
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[17:19] <megaproxy> i do hope im getting the right image...
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> back. wifeys still decorating all those cup-cakes I made earlier ;-)
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> so I can play with arduino bootloaders!
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[17:22] <syntax_erorr> JohnTeddy, you could reverse tunnel ssh into your work PC using wlan0
[17:25] <ratherDashing> what the heck is he trying to do that he's reverse ssh tunneling?
[17:25] <ratherDashing> i ssh tunnel at work AMA
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[17:29] <syntax_erorr> I think he is port forwarding to his pi on eth0 and remoted in from work. now he has wlan0 up and wants to take eth0 down
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[17:30] <ratherDashing> oh
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[17:30] <ratherDashing> bring wlan0, log into his router, forward another port to wlan0, log in through wlan0, bring eth0 down
[17:30] <dirty_d> or just wait till you get home
[17:31] <ratherDashing> yeah i wonder what the urgency of bringing eth0 down
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> If you don't bring it down within 18 seconds, it will explode.
[17:31] <reider59> I was going to SSH into some spicy chicken and southern fried potato wedges but I`ll just wait another 10 mins till cooked lol
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[17:33] <megaproxy> unmount: command not found
[17:33] <megaproxy> uhhh
[17:33] <megaproxy> wat
[17:33] <baneat> still having power problems even from 850mW
[17:34] <baneat> mA*
[17:34] <megaproxy> derp
[17:34] <megaproxy> umount
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[17:36] <megaproxy> anyone know how i tell if the dd command is working....
[17:36] <megaproxy> its sat there doing nothing
[17:36] <megaproxy> so i assume its working...
[17:38] <BlackWabi> I wish you were my boss ^^
[17:38] <baneat> it took quite a while for it to finish for me
[17:38] <megaproxy> is it normal for it to just... sit there.
[17:39] <baneat> I don't know, I used a GUI frontend
[17:39] <cehteh> megaproxy: you can send it a sigusr then it will print stats on stderr
[17:39] <baneat> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/102917339/win32diskimager-binary.zip
[17:39] <cehteh> otherwise, just wait it will give stats at the end
[17:39] <megaproxy> so in terminal type wat?
[17:39] <megaproxy> or in a new terminal.
[17:39] <baneat> these power supply issues are driving me mental
[17:40] <cehteh> killall -s USR1 dd
[17:40] <baneat> with an Amazon 850W usb wall charger I can get the rPi and a keyboard working, but no ethernet at the same time
[17:40] <baneat> 850mA
[17:40] <cehteh> or killall -USR1 dd
[17:40] <baneat> christ
[17:40] <wadjio9> 830w O.o
[17:40] <megaproxy> 1950000000 bytes (2.0 GB) copied, 326.641 s, 6.0 MB/s
[17:41] <wadjio9> baneat: what keyboard are you using?
[17:41] <elspuddy> question, how do you beachmark your sd card ?
[17:41] <cehteh> hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0 is a very simple test
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[17:42] * cehteh just builds a new kernel with some sd-card patches .. lets see :)
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[17:42] <cehteh> you can also use dd to get stats about sequential reads and/or writes (conv=fsync for writes)
[17:43] <elspuddy> Timing cached reads: 140 MB in 2.00 seconds = 69.87 MB/sec
[17:43] <elspuddy> Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 3.20 seconds = 4.37 MB/sec
[17:43] <wadjio9> cehteh: If you fiddle with your emmc init value then you can get buffered disk readers 3 times faster
[17:43] <cehteh> but be careful about not destroying data and think about the card wear
[17:43] <megaproxy> uh
[17:43] <megaproxy> so i cant mount my sd card now..
[17:43] <megaproxy> normal?
[17:43] <cehteh> wadjio9: yes done that already :) .. now trying something more
[17:43] <cehteh> megaproxy: what did you do?
[17:44] <megaproxy> copy the deb img :/
[17:44] <megaproxy> dd bs=1M if=/home/doug/Downloads/rpi/debian6-19-04-2012/debian6-19-04-2012.img of=/dev/sdd1
[17:44] <cehteh> just written to it? you may reinsert it to make the kernel recognize the partitions
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[17:44] <megaproxy> taken it out
[17:44] <megaproxy> put it back in
[17:44] <megaproxy> nudda
[17:44] <cehteh> (there is also a hdparm option to reread the partition table)
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[17:44] <cehteh> you are sure writing was finished?
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[17:45] <megaproxy> 1950000000 bytes (2.0 GB) copied, 326.641 s, 6.0 MB/s
[17:45] <cehteh> done a 'sync' before removing?
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[17:45] <megaproxy> yep
[17:45] <cehteh> then something gone wrong
[17:45] <megaproxy> wtf now
[17:46] <cehteh> check your dd line .. did you copied from/to the right file/device?
[17:46] <megaproxy> yea fo sho
[17:46] <megaproxy> :/
[17:47] <ReggieUK> the card 'wear' for that hack is pretty irrelevant
[17:47] <ReggieUK> if the card is spec'd to go at 25Mhz, marginally hitting 12.5MB/s is not going to be stressing a card any more than using it on a pc
[17:47] <megaproxy> how can i get this card readable again?
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[17:47] <cehteh> what hack? .. if you dd over the whole card its pretty irrelevant but should be acknowledged not to do it that often
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[17:48] <cehteh> wear was about writes
[17:48] <ReggieUK> well, again I disagree
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[17:48] <blkhawk> cehteh: we are talking about the speed "hack"
[17:48] <cehteh> the speed hack wont wear it
[17:48] <blkhawk> ya
[17:49] <cehteh> but if you do benchmarking *with* writing big files (gigabytes) the it may become significant when you do that often
[17:49] <ReggieUK> but there are other issues that we're not aware of, so if you're going to recommend the hack, you should really tell people to do it at their own risk
[17:49] <cehteh> elspuddy asked about benchmarking i was replying to him
[17:50] * IT_Sean wonders what he's just walked into
[17:50] <ReggieUK> you're going to have to do a lot of writing to make it significant
[17:50] <baneat> Okay, finally I'm at my network folder in openELEC (Windows SMB) but it's now asking for a username and password.. I've never needed one to access this folder on a different computer before, what do I do?
[17:50] <elspuddy> cehteh, so like an ssd drive, dont benchmark that othen ;)
[17:50] <ReggieUK> I'd really be more worried about writing small files
[17:50] <ReggieUK> but I'm not
[17:51] <cehteh> ssd's have way more sophisticated wear leveling and gc algorithms and hidden spare flash
[17:51] <elspuddy> im not too fussed about loseing this sd card, it's only a cheep ?7 sony one that i got from maplins
[17:51] <ReggieUK> expensive SD cards will have more sophisticated stuff in them too I would've thought
[17:52] <cehteh> not that much
[17:52] <ReggieUK> as it'd be newer tech most likely
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[17:52] <Softnux_> How's it going with your experiments?
[17:52] <cehteh> wear leveling yes ... but usually optimized for FAT filesystems and camera like usage
[17:53] <cehteh> with ccache a kernel rebuild seems to be reasonable fast :)
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[18:01] <neofutur> hi all , i m fixing the overscan problem for the tv display
[18:02] <neofutur> thi config.txt overscan works well
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[18:02] <neofutur> but my question, is it possible to set overscan_bottom=-50
[18:02] <neofutur> ( a negative value )
[18:02] <IT_Sean> Have you tried it?
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[18:03] <neofutur> nop
[18:03] <IT_Sean> why not give it a go?
[18:03] <neofutur> or should it be calles underscan ?
[18:04] <neofutur> i just googled around
[18:04] <neofutur> is this purely a raspberry thing or there should be a doc somehere ?
[18:04] <IT_Sean> this is a raspi thing
[18:04] <neofutur> i found mostly pages relating to nvidia graphic crds when serching for overscan
[18:05] <neofutur> well i ll try negative overscan_bottom=-50
[18:05] <cehteh> should work
[18:05] <Softnux_> got bluetooth up and running: http://81.170.236.52/
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[18:05] <cehteh> dunno about the range if 50 is too much
[18:05] <solutionssquad> Hello all!
[18:06] <Softnux_> hiya
[18:06] <IT_Sean> ahoy
[18:06] <wadjio9> Softnux: be careful
[18:06] <Softnux_> Care to elaborate?
[18:06] * imnichol (~ian@somsen-129-184.winona.edu) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
[18:06] <wadjio9> Softnux: liz will set the lawyers on you
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[18:07] <Softnux_> ?
[18:07] <wadjio9> the logo
[18:07] <Softnux_> I'll risk it
[18:07] <wadjio9> Softnux: teehee, here's mine, http://86.30.196.161/
[18:08] <Softnux_> fancy
[18:08] <wadjio9> fancy?
[18:08] <Softnux_> yes, fancy!
[18:08] <dirty_d> fancy pants
[18:08] <mythos> google-analytics, yay \o/
[18:08] <wadjio9> all I did was make the background grey :(
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[18:09] <Softnux_> yeah but the overall feeling is nice
[18:09] <andatche> here's mine, blatantly nicked from wadjio9 ;) - http://pi.andatche.com/
[18:09] <wadjio9> lol that was fast
[18:09] <hotwings> i dont normally paste links but this says a lot: http://cafewitteveen.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/tumblr_m579m9va0u1qewacoo1_500.jpg
[18:09] <solutionssquad> Alright peeps, anyone here heard of Xibo?
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[18:09] <Softnux_> hahaha
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[18:10] <solutionssquad> http://www.xibo.org
[18:10] <reider59> are those cat flaps?
[18:10] <hotwings> thats the guys dead cat turned into a helicopter
[18:10] <reider59> I know ;-)
[18:11] <wadjio9> why are it's eyes open
[18:11] <reider59> cat flaps.....plane flaps
[18:11] <cehteh> stuffed cat .. glass eyes
[18:11] <hotwings> its taxidermied
[18:11] <hotwings> we have a cat but i would never think to do that to it once it dies
[18:11] <wadjio9> it might be more aerodynamic without the fur
[18:11] <IT_Sean> eew
[18:12] <hotwings> maybe turn it into an rc car, but not a helicopter :]
[18:12] <hotwings> j/k.. thats just wrong somehow
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[18:13] * cehteh suggested to use a mole-fur for a friends small helicopter .. flying moles, that would be cool
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[18:13] <cehteh> (and i should get a rat-skin for mine :P)
[18:13] <IT_Sean> I'm surprised noone has suggested a small pig
[18:13] <IT_Sean> make pigs fly.
[18:13] <hotwings> lol
[18:14] <dirty_d> i ned to get my quadcopter working
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[18:14] <cehteh> thats seen on the pink floyd animals album already
[18:14] <hotwings> im sure peta would like to kill that guy
[18:14] <cehteh> hey the cat was already dead
[18:14] <IT_Sean> Why? He didn't kill the cat?
[18:14] <wadjio9> hotwings: peta are a bunch of hypocrits
[18:14] <IT_Sean> it's not PETDA (people for the ethical treatment of dead animals)
[18:14] <wadjio9> peta put down most of the pets they rescue
[18:15] <IT_Sean> also... PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals, in my book.
[18:15] <cehteh> helicopter driven by doped hamsters in wheels will upset peta for sure :)
[18:15] <DDave> mmmmh
[18:15] <DDave> meat
[18:15] <esotera> how long does it take to get the debian image onto an sd card? Just a couple of minutes?
[18:15] <IT_Sean> Hey... animals are tasty. Im'na eat 'em
[18:15] <cehteh> esotera: patience :)
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[18:15] <hotwings> i got nothing against a nice slab of prime rib!
[18:15] <cehteh> dd will stop at the end
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[18:16] <hotwings> new york strips, baby back ribs, fried chicken YUM
[18:16] <esotera> cehteh: i got two so am going to be really bored by the end of this
[18:16] <dirty_d> bunny shishkabobs
[18:16] <ExeciN> how can I enable SSH?
[18:16] <cehteh> depends on card speed .. few minutes, and dont remove the card instantly do a 'sync' or wait a bit until the led doesnt flash anymore if your cardreader has a led
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[18:17] <esotera> ok, thanks
[18:17] <cehteh> dd can also show its progress if you send it a sigusr1
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[18:18] <cehteh> real 39m9.028s
[18:18] <cehteh> that was a fast kernel build :) (on the rpi with ccache)
[18:19] <wadjio9> andatche: http://86.30.196.161/index3.html
[18:19] <dirty_d> pkill -USR1 dd
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[18:20] <reider59> we need a dyslexic version ;-)
[18:20] <andatche> wadjio9: nice :)
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[18:24] <cehteh> Timing buffered disk reads: 74 MB in 3.06 seconds = 24.16 MB/sec
[18:24] <cehteh> yay \o/
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[18:25] <rotozip> Are the Pi USB ports too low in power to run a micro usb wifi adapter without a hub?
[18:26] <cehteh> yes
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[18:26] <cehteh> few nano adapters are known to work
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[18:27] <rotozip> cehteh ok??? thats what I was seeing
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[18:29] <protozoa> http://9to5mac.com/2012/02/29/raspberry-pi-brings-airplay-video-streaming-for-25-preorder-now/
[18:29] <protozoa> which library was used to make this demo?
[18:30] <protozoa> was it ripped out of xbmc?
[18:30] <Oooch> I finally finished setting up my raspberry pi on the downstairs tv with raspbmc, this device is absolutely mindblowingly good
[18:30] <Oooch> I've been using a really shit WDTV box for like a year and by now it only runs half the videos I put on it
[18:30] <cehteh> 21.7 MB/s writes and 25.7 MB/s reads ... i tihnk i am done for now :)
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[18:32] <wadjio9> cehteh: if you sd card explodes let us know
[18:32] <Diogo> anyone can tell a good cases for raspberry
[18:33] <Diogo> ?
[18:33] <cehteh> the box it shipped with :)
[18:33] <Scepterr> lego :p
[18:33] <cehteh> wadjio9: the card could do more
[18:33] <wadjio9> Diogo: skpang, modmypi, adafruit
[18:33] * cehteh prolly going to woodworking a nice case .. if i dont nail it naked to the wall for display
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[18:33] <wadjio9> Diogo: personally I think the adafruit looks best
[18:33] <cehteh> or make a plexiglas case
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[18:34] <wadjio9> Diogo: http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
[18:34] <dmsuse> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/images/raspberrypi/kits/IMG_0002.jpg
[18:34] <dmsuse> thats the best 1
[18:34] <cehteh> ah exactly like that
[18:34] <wadjio9> Diogo: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-basic-shape-clear-p-1097.html
[18:35] <wadjio9> Diogo: https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-cases
[18:35] <Diogo> thanks for your help :P
[18:35] <hotwings> would prefer a real case, not just a top & bottom cover
[18:36] <wadjio9> hotwings: modmypi, adafruit
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[18:36] <Diogo> thanks wadjio9
[18:36] <Softnux_> http://81.170.236.52/ there, a little bit fancier
[18:37] * PiBot sets mode +v ragna
[18:37] <wadjio9> Softnux: Mind if I grab a copy of your monotone raspberry?
[18:37] <Softnux_> take it
[18:37] <Oooch> http://81.170.236.52/pibg.png
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[18:37] <Softnux_> though, it is made for my current background-color
[18:37] <wadjio9> yoink
[18:37] <Softnux_> hold on and ill fix one
[18:38] <wadjio9> I like the gradiant on the black part
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[18:39] <wadjio9> unless that's an optical illusion :P
[18:39] <Softnux_> http://81.170.236.52/pim.png
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[18:40] <wadjio9> cool
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[18:41] <wadjio9> now I need to try and overload your pi and ruin your uptime >:D
[18:41] <Softnux_> someone did that before when we tested it out
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[18:41] <Softnux_> please don't :D
[18:41] * PiBot sets mode +v [SLB]
[18:41] <wadjio9> :P
[18:41] <Oooch> Quick lets DDOS him
[18:42] <wadjio9> I don't think it would take much
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[18:42] <Oooch> Like 2 people pinging it lol
[18:42] <cehteh> haha
[18:42] <wadjio9> Softnux: do you requery the system for the time every refresh?
[18:43] <Softnux_> nah, cronjob every minute
[18:43] <Softnux_> oh
[18:43] <Softnux_> that one
[18:43] <Softnux_> yes
[18:43] <wadjio9> it's updating seconds for me
[18:43] <Softnux_> the bluetooth part is a cronjob
[18:44] <wadjio9> what did you do to cut out all the junk out of "uptime" and leave just the day?
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[18:44] <Softnux_> explode() in php
[18:44] <wadjio9> I haven't setup php yet
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[18:46] <cehteh> want my kernel? .. 25/20MB sec SD card, zram gives you approx 300-350MB useable ram ...
[18:47] <Softnux_> how is that possible when there's 256MB on the pi?
[18:47] <wadjio9> Softnux: zram is a compression thing
[18:47] <Softnux_> ah
[18:47] <Softnux_> I see
[18:47] <trevorman> urgh. need to compile vlc for rpi. this isn't going to be fun.
[18:48] <Softnux_> omxplayer works fine
[18:48] <wadjio9> trevorman: If it works give us a deb :D
[18:48] <Oooch> <3 omxplayer
[18:48] <trevorman> I don't want it to actually play anything
[18:48] <trevorman> I'm using the streaming part of VLC
[18:48] <Softnux_> ah
[18:49] * cehteh guesses his rpi is now one of the fastest ones around, overclocked also well
[18:49] <trevorman> I've been messing around with a DVB-T dongle and got it streaming an entire multiplex over ethernet but its on a proper server.
[18:49] <trevorman> Just curious if it'll work on the RPi
[18:49] <trevorman> or whether lack of CPU or USB throughput will stop it
[18:49] <cehteh> how much current does it draw?
[18:50] <trevorman> dunno. I won't plug it directly into the RPi anyway
[18:50] <cehteh> ok then you may try
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[18:50] <trevorman> its negotiating for 500mA anyway
[18:50] <cehteh> usb and ethernet are the same bus .. basically ethernet is usb on the rpi
[18:50] <trevorman> I know
[18:51] <trevorman> doubt I'd be able to get more than one multiplex going
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[18:52] <Jef91> Is there a Debian Wheezy ARMEL image hiding somewhere for the Pi?
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[18:54] <neofutur> yup negative overscan work !
[18:54] <neofutur> left 2, right 10, bottom, -36 here
[18:55] <neofutur> and it fits perfectly my tv screen ;)
[18:55] <Oooch> I can't believe i spent so long trying to fix the overscan bug before realising that the tv I intended it to be used on had 1:1 pixel mapping
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[18:58] <wadjio9> Oooch: hmm, so what did you do to fix it?
[18:58] <Oooch> I used the zoom function in appearance in xbmc
[18:59] <wadjio9> hmm zoom
[18:59] <wadjio9> okay
[18:59] <Oooch> Kind of offsets the omxplayer ignoring the overscan settings you've set
[18:59] <wadjio9> and stopped it messing up with video?
[18:59] <Oooch> To a degree
[18:59] <Oooch> Made it watchable
[18:59] <Oooch> But it's now on a full 1080p tv with full scan so I don't have to mess around
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[19:00] <Oooch> Or 1:1 pixel mapping
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[19:00] <wadjio9> who owns simonthepiman.com?
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[19:01] <Oooch> Simon does
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[19:01] <wadjio9> well his php lighttpd tutorial is wrong
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[19:04] <oldtopman> Anybody here live near a Micro Center?
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[19:04] <ReggieUK> I've got a microwave in the kitchen
[19:04] <ReggieUK> will that do?
[19:04] <IT_Sean> There is ONE near me,but it is in a really sketch neighborhood
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[19:04] <IT_Sean> like... "don't go there if you are white" sketch
[19:05] <oldtopman> ooh
[19:05] * rotozip (~rotozip@99-163-26-17.lightspeed.kscymo.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[19:05] <oldtopman> Anyway, I just bought one of these.
[19:05] <IT_Sean> Hence, i have never been. :p
[19:05] <oldtopman> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0392360
[19:05] * oldtopman could go there
[19:05] <Jef91> So I'm going to sound like a retard asking this - but where does the SD card hook into the pi?
[19:05] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't recommend it
[19:05] <Jef91> I don't see a slot for it
[19:05] <trevorman> Jef91: the bottom
[19:05] <Oooch> On the bottom
[19:06] <trevorman> that weird plastic bracket is the socket
[19:06] <IT_Sean> Jef91: in the SD card slot
[19:06] <Jef91> oh what do you know
[19:06] <Jef91> there it is
[19:06] <oldtopman> IT_Sean: I happen to be black. 5/5 resistance against shanking, +1 to jumping
[19:06] <Jef91> I only pulled it out a few minutes ago
[19:06] <Jef91> thanks folks
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[19:07] <IT_Sean> oldtopman: all that means is that they won't shoot you when they steal your car.
[19:07] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:07] <Jef91> are there any nifty cases out for the pi yet?
[19:07] * oldtopman has a brilliant antitheft
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[19:07] <D-side> blarg i'm stuck in newark
[19:07] <D-side> today went to hell pretty fast.
[19:07] <oldtopman> I call it: "Car is crap, doesn't start very often"
[19:07] <D-side> and, wrong channel. sorry.
[19:07] <IT_Sean> that's a good anti-theft
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[19:07] <oldtopman> At any rate, that keyboard is boss, and mine here is in an okay neighbothood.
[19:08] <D-side> oh cpan
[19:08] <D-side> how i hate you
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[19:08] <wadjio9> Jef91: adafruit, modmypi
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[19:09] <trevorman> Jef91: https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-cases http://www.adafruit.com/products/859 http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-basic-shape-clear-p-1097.html http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1310
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[19:09] <trevorman> looooooads available. check ebay as well.
[19:09] <IT_Sean> neat thumbboard, oldtopman
[19:10] <Jef91> anyone have a recommend case they know works decent/is well made?
[19:10] <oldtopman> Jef91: You should make one for yourself, that's what I'm doing.
[19:10] <Oooch> I think I'm just going to cut some holes in the box it came in
[19:10] <trevorman> I ordered one from modmypi but its not actually yet
[19:10] <Oooch> I don't even really need to ever look or access the device itself
[19:10] <Jef91> I'd like something solidish
[19:10] <Oooch> Just need some very basic protection from a cat staticing the device with his fur
[19:11] <Jef91> so I can bring it places without worrying too much
[19:11] <Oooch> Yeah I intend mine to never be moved or touched
[19:11] * oldtopman is going to put his rpi in a box from an AMD FX8150
[19:11] <oldtopman> A friend of mine velcroed his to the back of his monitor :P
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[19:13] <Helldesk> I'm having problems with my Farnell Raspberry Pi - it does not reboot with sudo reboot or sudo shutdown "now" -r
[19:14] <Helldesk> it does not boot again even after cutting the power, and sometimes it does not boot at all, period
[19:14] <hotwings> wow, the powered 4 port usb hub i bought to use with the rpi is about 1/2 the size of the rpi itself. man that thing is tiny
[19:14] <Helldesk> the pi is slightly bigger than I personally expected :)
[19:14] <Oooch> Can you run a 2.5" portable HDD and a tv remote receiver thing directly in the Pi?
[19:14] <Oooch> Or not enough power
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[19:15] <wadjio9> Oooch: not in a million years
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[19:15] <hotwings> give it a try and see
[19:15] <Oooch> What about in 2 million?
[19:15] <hotwings> probably not the hd but the ir receiver, likely
[19:15] <wadjio9> harddrives want a lot of power
[19:15] <Oooch> Doesn't the Pi run better if you install linux onto a HDD?
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[19:15] <Oooch> So I'm assuming that is for powered portable HDDs
[19:16] <hotwings> i guess that depends on the sdhc card you have
[19:16] <wadjio9> Oooch: yes
[19:16] <hotwings> if you have a nice fast one, 'runs better' doesnt mean much
[19:16] <Oooch> I haven't really had any issues with it so it's not really something i will likely do
[19:17] <Oooch> I'm going to go buy some beer now, brb
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[19:19] <wadjio9> you'll never use the full bandwidth of the hdd because you'll always be limited to that theoretical limit of 480mbps
[19:20] <_Lucretia_> is there any docs on the bootup of the rpi? i.e. what you need for a new os?
[19:20] <Helldesk> an entirely new one? you would have to work in the binary blobs for the SoC
[19:20] <_Lucretia_> yup
[19:21] <oldtopman> _Lucretia_: Not certain, but I think you can just steal the kernel and build a new linux.
[19:21] <_Lucretia_> yeah that's fine
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[19:21] <trevorman> you mean new OS as in not Linux?
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[19:21] <_Lucretia_> don't want to build a new linux
[19:21] <trevorman> or new distribution?
[19:21] <_Lucretia_> not linux
[19:21] <Helldesk> a new OS
[19:21] <_Lucretia_> yup
[19:21] <oldtopman> Why would you want to do that?
[19:21] <_Lucretia_> because
[19:21] <trevorman> you'd have to dig around in the kernel source to work out how to do all the initialsation
[19:21] <Helldesk> why not? it is what the raspberry is for
[19:21] <oldtopman> You'd have *no* programs. No libraries.
[19:22] <trevorman> don't expect the GPU to actually do any acceleration though unless you reimplement vchiq and make the libraries compatible etc...
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[19:22] <_Lucretia_> oldtopman: I know
[19:22] <oldtopman> And you're not going to be able to run OS<number> or Windows on there :x
[19:22] <_Lucretia_> I'm not going to use the gpu
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[19:22] <trevorman> _Lucretia_: prolly fine then. just dig around in the kernel source to see how they're initialising stuff
[19:22] <Helldesk> he's contemplating a new OS, I'm sure he knows the basics like that :)
[19:23] <_Lucretia_> is there a repo where the binary blobs are kept?
[19:23] <trevorman> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[19:23] <rasp7aa> you could always do something like openelec, rip away all the bloat until you're left with the very basics
[19:23] <_Lucretia_> trevorman: thanks
[19:23] <_Lucretia_> I just want to know what I need to boot a helloworld kernel to start - i.e. do nothing
[19:24] <trevorman> _Lucretia_: internal GPU ROM understand FAT and will load bootcode.bin from the SD into the cache. bootcode.bin enables RAM and loads loader.bin. loader.bin is just an ELF loader stub which loads start.elf. start.elf is where all the actual initialisation is done and where the GPU modules/firmware are loaded.
[19:25] <trevorman> you'll want to hook into the process after all of that where it actually loads kernel.img
[19:25] <elspuddy> what games can i install via the console for the pi ? :)
[19:25] <oldtopman> elspuddy: Debian?
[19:25] <elspuddy> yep
[19:25] <andatche> nethack!
[19:26] <oldtopman> angband
[19:26] <oldtopman> wesnoth
[19:26] <_Lucretia_> trevorman: ok, so there's no config file which says which start*.elf to load? if I wanted to change the gpu/ram split I just rename the one I want to start.elf?
[19:26] * oldtopman likes wesnoth
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[19:27] <Mike632T> Noobish debian rpi question - I'm puzzled by the fact that /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules doesn't seem to be present when using the default squeeze image - everything seem to work but I don't understand why it should be missing...
[19:27] <oldtopman> "Legends of Yore"
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[19:27] <oldtopman> Not sure if you need to play them on a console as well, wesnoth and yore are gui games.
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[19:28] <trevorman> _Lucretia_: yeah. you rename it
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[19:29] <_Lucretia_> trevorman: ok then, so my kernel has to have the same filename as the lnux one?
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[19:30] <trevorman> yeah. there may be some option in config.txt that alters it though.
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[19:31] <trevorman> start.elf isn't fully documented. there are loads of extra undocumented options in config.txt
[19:31] <trevorman> some of them probably shouldn't be messed with unless you're willing to sacrifice the RPi though
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[19:31] <trevorman> as we've no idea what they actually do and there is a chance it'll blow OTP fuses and alter something permanently
[19:32] <IT_Sean> That sort of exparimentation SHOULD happen, BUT not until Pis are more readily available :p
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[19:32] <elspuddy> any other bar nethack ?
[19:32] <hotwings> or, full documentation could be released so people know what theyre screwing with
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[19:33] <trevorman> hotwings: doubt you'd get everything as some of it would be broadcom secret
[19:33] <cehteh> anyone got kexec working on the rpi?
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[19:33] <trevorman> like it mentions code signing in there and I doubt they'd tell you precisely what that involves
[19:33] <_Lucretia_> trevorman: right
[19:33] <_Lucretia_> yeah, i've noticed some signings in the config
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[19:34] <trevorman> I assume its some standard module thats linked in. Its not something specific for the RPi.
[19:35] <_Lucretia_> hokay, thanks
[19:35] <RaYmAn> cehteh: someone in here definitely got it working - but it has requirements on target kernel.
[19:35] <_Lucretia_> just gotta find the specific kernel source now, hopefully, there'll be something on kernel.org
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[19:37] <Helldesk> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/kernel_emergency.img how can this download be "too big"?
[19:37] <Helldesk> urrrrgh
[19:37] <RaYmAn> Helldesk: just checkout the firmware repo with git
[19:37] <trevorman> _Lucretia_: its the same repo. just go up slightly. https://github.com/raspberrypi
[19:38] <_Lucretia_> trevorman: hokay, thanks
[19:38] <Helldesk> RaYmAn: sigh
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[19:39] <RaYmAn> Helldesk: I believe github "generates" downloads from the git repo live, so that's probably why there is a size limit.
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[19:39] <Helldesk> I had just downloaded everything but that, and now I have to set up git
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[19:40] <_Lucretia_> trevorman: so you don't work for bcom or rpi or anything like that?
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[19:40] <trevorman> nope
[19:40] <RaYmAn> Helldesk: it's pretty easy :) Github has mac & windows clients and linux you just install git and do git clone :)
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[19:40] <IT_Sean> As far as we know, there are no Foundation people in #raspberrypi
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[19:41] <_Lucretia_> trevorman: I've just seen a potential problem, the toolchain, can i not build this from source?
[19:41] <trevorman> you should be able to?
[19:41] <trevorman> I use a crosscompiler that I built from source
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[19:42] <hotwings> i gotta figure out how to crosscompile stuff for rpi from my win7 desktop
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[19:42] <Helldesk> can I even pull stuff from that git without registering?
[19:42] <mjr> hotwings, a linux vm would probably be the path of least pain, really
[19:42] <_Lucretia_> ah, Ijust saw they have binaries for it, I would've thought the toolchain would be a normal arm-elf build but with the prefix of the tools changed for broadcom, no?
[19:42] <RaYmAn> Helldesk: git, they have anonymous checkout
[19:42] <trevorman> _Lucretia_: oh yeah. one more thing. the output from the kernel compile needs to be massaged slightly to be bootable. you need to run another utility on it to make it into something that start.elf likes. https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/tree/master/mkimage
[19:43] <_Lucretia_> yeah saw that
[19:43] <hotwings> is nfs4 enabled in the stock rpi kernel?
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[19:43] <Helldesk> where do I find the address for the repo?
[19:43] <trevorman> _Lucretia_: not sure what they've changed in the toolchain
[19:43] <trevorman> doubt its anything really significant
[19:43] <_Lucretia_> trevorman: ok, didn't see the toolchain source in there, but binaries
[19:43] <RaYmAn> Helldesk: at the main page for the repo, there is an url field. you can choose ssh, http, git etc
[19:44] <trevorman> _Lucretia_: yeah. not sure about that. need to do some investigation
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[19:44] <_Lucretia_> trevorman: but you said you built it from source? normall gcc source?
[19:45] <trevorman> yeah
[19:45] <trevorman> compiled userland and the kernel with it
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[19:47] <_Lucretia_> --target=arm-elf?
[19:47] <_Lucretia_> I've already got a build of that with the compiler I need
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[19:54] <Helldesk> git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware.git, right?
[19:54] <_Lucretia_> yup
[19:55] <Helldesk> I had already forgotten it wasn't more convoluted than that
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[19:56] <hotwings> gah, of course the one type of usb cable i need, i dont have
[19:57] <Butcho> the micro usb?
[19:57] <hotwings> nah, i have a micro->usb A adapter
[19:58] * _Lucretia_ is using a samsung charger
[19:58] <hotwings> i dont have a M->M A cable >:(
[19:58] <_Lucretia_> trevorman: found these options, must be right: -march=armv6zk -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard -marm -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s -mtune=arm1176jzf-s
[19:59] <cehteh> .o(kernel building on device is slightly simpler, if you have the patience)
[19:59] <ironzorg> guys, I'm using pisces on my rpi, and my hdmi plugged TV screen is blinkingm what do ?
[20:00] <ironzorg> (please)
[20:00] <cehteh> pisces?
[20:00] <rasp7aa> cehteh: It's a build of raspbian by mpthompson
[20:00] <cehteh> ah
[20:01] <Foxhoundz> Questioon
[20:01] <_Lucretia_> ironzorg: you got a hub on it?
[20:01] <Helldesk> huh... at first it didn't boot, then it did
[20:01] <cehteh> no color pattern at bootup?
[20:01] <Helldesk> with the latest firmware
[20:01] <Foxhoundz> I hooked up my Pi to an older CRT TV via the RCA video cable
[20:01] <ironzorg> _Lucretia_: no hub
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[20:01] <ironzorg> cehteh: I do have colors ?
[20:01] <Foxhoundz> is there any way to adjust the screen to fit it because it's cutting off the edges
[20:01] <Helldesk> also briefly saw a colourful test pattern (a box with a colour sweep)
[20:01] <cehteh> yes that one
[20:01] <_Lucretia_> ironzorg: I was getting screen auto adjusting all the time, the hub was draining the power from the board
[20:02] <cehteh> if that isnt shown then the fault is prolly in the cabling or tv setup
[20:02] <ironzorg> it works flawless with archlinux though :/
[20:02] <Oooch> I think it's cehteh's fault it's not working
[20:02] <IT_Sean> WHats your power supply rated at?
[20:02] <IT_Sean> oh, it works in Arch?
[20:02] <IT_Sean> sounds like a config issue
[20:02] <cehteh> hah
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[20:03] <ironzorg> IT_Sean: 5V, 750 mA
[20:03] <Oooch> Do mobile phone chargers do the trick? I don't see an mA rating on the plug but it seems to work fine?
[20:03] <IT_Sean> Oooch: you NEED a minimum of 750ma
[20:03] <Oooch> What happens if you don't have that
[20:03] <IT_Sean> Pi won't work
[20:03] <cehteh> random crashes .. at best
[20:03] <Oooch> So if it turns on and runs XBMC fine and runs HD videos without stuttering, it's fine
[20:03] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[20:04] <Oooch> Cool, cheers
[20:04] <trevorman> Oooch: surprised that it doesn't say at all on the plug
[20:04] <Oooch> Oh wait I forgot I'm using the kindle charger
[20:05] <ironzorg> so I'm guessing I'll have to edit the config.txt file, amritie
[20:05] <ironzorg> amirite
[20:05] <Oooch> 850mA if this is correct
[20:06] <rvalles> Hm, my raspberrypi framebuffer is 16bit :(. Why?
[20:07] <rasp7aa> ironzorg: to do what?
[20:07] <ironzorg> rasp7aa: idk, maybe fix the refresh rate ?
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[20:08] <rasp7aa> ironzorg: sure, you can try. Do you have the guide? The worst that could happen is that your monitor stops working and you would have to plug your sd card into a pc and change the config.txt back
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[20:09] <ironzorg> rasp7aa: I tried messing around with the tv monitor but I couldnt find any option to change the refresh rate, so I'm going with the 2nd option
[20:09] <ironzorg> it's weird that arch manages to pick the correct setup though
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[20:10] <rasp7aa> arch is evil
[20:10] <rasp7aa> don't use arch
[20:10] <ironzorg> arch is my favorite system
[20:10] <ironzorg> dont say that again
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[20:11] <frankivo> hehe
[20:11] <ratherDashing> if someone started an arch hardfp project i would try it out
[20:11] <ratherDashing> raspbian so far is going so well though
[20:11] <ironzorg> pisces takes 4GB :|
[20:12] <rasp7aa> ironzorg: mine doesn't
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[20:12] <ironzorg> I meant by default, I hate having to purge packages off of the system I just installed, it's so counter productive
[20:12] <ironzorg> thats probably why I like arch, you have to setup everything yourself
[20:13] <ironzorg> *almost* everything
[20:13] <rasp7aa> mine install uses 1.4gb
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[20:13] <ironzorg> by default ?
[20:13] <ironzorg> after a bare dd ?
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[20:13] <rasp7aa> well
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[20:14] <ratherDashing> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[20:14] <rasp7aa> I haven't purged anything
[20:14] <ratherDashing> rootfs 15G 1.6G 13G 12% /
[20:14] <rasp7aa> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[20:14] <rasp7aa> rootfs 15G 1.4G 13G 11% /
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[20:15] <Myst> Hi
[20:15] <ironzorg> hello
[20:15] <ratherDashing> i'm just saying it doesn't take 4G like someone said
[20:15] <rasp7aa> ditto
[20:15] <Myst> I've some problems with the HDMI output of my raspberrypi
[20:16] <Myst> I use a HDMI -> DVI-D cable to use rpi on my computer screen
[20:16] <rasp7aa> Myst: hdmi is so outdated, composite is better
[20:16] <Myst> But with the lastest kernel, hdmi_group/mode don't work
[20:16] <ironzorg> rasp7aa: yea idk where I've seen that :p
[20:16] <ironzorg> after checking, it takes only 1.4GB
[20:16] <Myst> and i don't understand why
[20:16] <rasp7aa> Myst: hdmi_mode is 0 and 1 instead of 1 and 2
[20:16] <trevorman> you got hdmi_group set to 2?
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[20:17] <trevorman> ^
[20:17] <hotwings> yeah, hdmi is like fios while composite is like dialup. clearly composite > *
[20:17] <rasp7aa> hdmi group rather
[20:17] <Myst> rasp7aa: yes, but this didn't work
[20:17] <ironzorg> rasp7aa: how id hdmi "oudated" ?
[20:17] <Myst> already tested :(
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[20:17] <ironzorg> is
[20:17] <rasp7aa> ironzorg: that's what the tv salesman told me
[20:17] <Myst> group 1/2/3 is like no config.txt
[20:17] <ironzorg> seriously???
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[20:17] <Myst> *group 0/1/2
[20:17] <trevorman> Myst: you updating the bootloader files as well?
[20:17] <neofutur> (21:10) <+ rasp7aa> Myst: hdmi is so outdated, composite is better
[20:17] <DaQatz> rasp7aa: Don't go back to that salesmen
[20:17] <Markavian> hdmi is awesome, just because its so easy to plug in, and carries sound.
[20:18] <trevorman> *whoosh*
[20:18] <ironzorg> also HD
[20:18] <neofutur> gotta say i m surprise, the quality of the composite display on my tv is really good
[20:18] <ironzorg> also ethernet
[20:18] <rasp7aa> I have an awesome 27 inch crt
[20:18] <Markavian> you probably get less signal degradation on long cables across composite
[20:18] <neofutur> but hdmi _should_ be better nop ?
[20:18] <IT_Sean> HDMI > Composite
[20:18] <DaQatz> It's digital
[20:18] <trevorman> you're all getting mildly trolled -.-
[20:19] <Markavian> mhmmm alcohol, where can I find more.
[20:19] <rasp7aa> trevorman: CRTs have much better contrast
[20:19] <Markavian> (its Friday after all)
[20:19] <Oooch> I stick one of my fingers in the HDMI port on the tv and my tongue in the port on the Pi, and it runs great!
[20:19] <ironzorg> gotta have serial
[20:19] <trevorman> Oooch: are you gold plated?
[20:19] <IT_Sean> ooh! That's right! It IS friday! WOOT!
[20:20] <Oooch> I am trevorman
[20:20] <rasp7aa> going drinking on a friday is such an unhealthy culture
[20:20] <rasp7aa> you should be drinking every night
[20:20] <Oooch> rasp7aa what if I'm drinking whilst on irc? lol
[20:20] <Oooch> oh that's better
[20:20] <IT_Sean> WHen i was in college, everyone wen't drinking on a thursday
[20:20] <Myst> So, any help ?
[20:20] <ratherDashing> rasp7aa: people who moderatly drink outlive people who don't drink or drink every night
[20:21] <Oooch> Having a few drinks a day is optimal
[20:21] <rasp7aa> ratherDashing: I have two livers
[20:23] * dupondje can't get recent OpenELEC versions working :( version from 17/05 works perfect :s
[20:23] <Myst> '(
[20:23] <Myst> :'(
[20:23] <Helldesk> lol, the keyboard does not work on the latest version's X
[20:23] <rasp7aa> Helldesk: solution: don't use x
[20:24] <dupondje> mine doesn't even start :s
[20:24] <Helldesk> rasp7aa: I'm not going to, I just wanted to check if the audio works this time
[20:24] <Helldesk> but FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU, how can basic, simple things like this not work?
[20:24] <hotwings> anyone who thinks composite has better image quality, has never seen a high end digital tv
[20:24] <Helldesk> (I hate usb keyboards)
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[20:25] <Helldesk> anyone who thinks composite has image quality has never seen anything else
[20:25] <hotwings> im using a usb keyboard right now, but no complaints here
[20:25] <Helldesk> once on a windows computer there was an update to usb...
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[20:25] <Helldesk> on the next reboot it was in the middle of that update process and the (usb) keyboard did not work to log me in
[20:26] <amelia_> Helldesk: http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/17/hdmi-cable-scam-used-to-fool-in-store-customers/
[20:26] <Helldesk> just incredible stuff
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[20:27] <Helldesk> amelia_: have you seen the double blind test with coat hangers vs. monster cables for audio?
[20:28] <Oooch> XD they might aswell have put a black and white tv next to it
[20:28] <Oooch> What a scam
[20:28] <hotwings> cables make a huge difference for analog audio.. but digital NOPE
[20:28] <cehteh> haha 2 days ago in the electronic store they had HDMI cable with where "optimized for 3D" :)
[20:28] <trevorman> hotwings: thats only true if you've got a decent cable in the first place
[20:29] <trevorman> some of the dirt cheap HDMI cables are really awful
[20:29] <ratherDashing> monoprice
[20:29] <Helldesk> hotwings: only if the difference can be seen in double blind tests
[20:29] <trevorman> HDMI is actually designed to have a certain amount of bit corruption from the cables as they made the spec require less expensive cable
[20:29] <Helldesk> I tried to order from monoprice... 60 dollar postage for a cheap cable? no thanks
[20:30] <trevorman> what you push in one end of the HDMI cable and what you get out the other end won't be bit for bit identical
[20:30] <ratherDashing> Helldesk: lol hyperbole is fun
[20:30] <hotwings> Helldesk - theres no question cable quality directly impacts analog audio & signal quality
[20:30] <cehteh> if its within spec
[20:30] <Helldesk> if you get a picture with a digital cable, it works
[20:31] <amelia_> the beauty of 1 and 0 - it works, or it doesn't
[20:31] <trevorman> not for HDMI :P
[20:31] <ratherDashing> Helldesk: with all the haywacky HDMI specs though you MAY be losing some features over another cable with a higher spec though, so that's not 100% accurate though
[20:31] <trevorman> you can still get a picture with massive corruption. you'd see little sparkles everywhere
[20:31] <Helldesk> if there are too many bit errors, the data gets corrupted and it becomes cleraly evident, not just progressively degraded as the errors increase
[20:31] <trevorman> but any reasonable quality $5 cable will be fine
[20:32] <hotwings> yup
[20:32] <trevorman> you don't need the monster we only make these on full moon by some monk who lives on top of a mountain and its then blessed by the pope on his days off cables
[20:32] <Helldesk> yeah, the thing with digital it's mostly all or nothing
[20:32] <hotwings> ive bought cheap ebay hdmi cables that worked just fine
[20:32] <Helldesk> depending a bit on the implementation details like error correction
[20:32] <Helldesk> or toleration
[20:32] <Oooch> Yeah I use like ??2 cables
[20:32] <hotwings> both hdmi<->hdmi and dvi<->hdmi shipped from china
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[20:33] <hotwings> probably made by a 6 year old
[20:33] <trevorman> HDMI doesn't have any. Its why HDCP is just a blind stream cipher. No hashing or checksum.
[20:33] <Helldesk> I ordered an hdmi cable from ebay, let's see what it's like... must have been just a couple of bucks
[20:33] <trevorman> its how the netv works. it just replaces encrypted HDMI pixels as it goes past on the cable. never actually decrypts anything.
[20:33] <ratherDashing> if yer in the US, there is no reason for not buying 10 HDMI cables at one shot from monoprice
[20:34] <Helldesk> I am not
[20:34] <ratherDashing> i did that a long time ago, that and micro/mini usb's
[20:34] <Helldesk> hence the 60 dollar postage
[20:34] <Helldesk> just ludicrous
[20:34] <ratherDashing> one $20 shipment and i have cables forever
[20:34] <trevorman> I've got loooooads of mini USBs. Not so many micros :|
[20:34] <ratherDashing> yeah that is crazy, i thought you were using hyperbole
[20:35] <Oooch> Yeah cables like that are so cheap I usually buy 2-3 at the same time
[20:35] <Helldesk> it was 59.xx something for normal usps, and 60+ for the economy usps option
[20:35] <Oooch> Even if I don't need them
[20:35] <Helldesk> or something
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[20:35] <lee> yay, raspbian r2 image actually works and results in a bootable pi!
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[20:36] <ratherDashing> lee: i'm on raspbian right now, as we speak :)
[20:36] <ratherDashing> well i'm at work, over ssh, on raspbian, on irssi, on freenode
[20:36] <lee> unfortunately running iceweasel and keeping the mouse moving results in 100% CPU usage but hey, can't have everything...
[20:37] <ratherDashing> lee: when/if accelerated drives happen that'll fix a lot of those problems
[20:37] <ratherDashing> that's just X being X
[20:37] <lee> yeah I fugred =)
[20:37] <lee> er
[20:37] <lee> figured ...
[20:37] <lee> no idea what happened there.
[20:38] <lee> although I thought it was more of a when rather than an if
[20:38] <Helldesk> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7574 others seem to have the same problem
[20:39] <Helldesk> pity I don't have my router up at the moment (dead power supply), so I can't do updates online...
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[20:44] <rasp7aa> Helldesk: How are you talking to us if your routers dead?!
[20:44] <Helldesk> rasp7aa: through the network?
[20:45] <Helldesk> the router would just serve the connection to more than this computer
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[20:45] <ratherDashing> so yer on the internet sans firewall
[20:45] <ratherDashing> PREPARE THE NMAP
[20:45] <Helldesk> no
[20:45] <rasp7aa> :o
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[20:46] <Helldesk> sure, I don't have a separate box doing firewall duties, but I have always had software firewall in addition
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[20:46] <ratherDashing> oh software firewall? REPREPARE THE NMAP :)
[20:47] <Helldesk> anyway, I digress - is there some media player that works on the command line in the default raspberry pi debian?
[20:47] <Helldesk> preferably something that works without having to be installed first, just so I can test if the audio out works
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[20:47] <Helldesk> it probably doesn't, because lol, linux
[20:47] <ratherDashing> omxplayer plays using hardware to play videos
[20:47] <Helldesk> not found
[20:47] <ratherDashing> if you just want to play mp3s you can still mplayer or something like that
[20:47] <ratherDashing> yeah it's not in the repo
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[20:48] <Helldesk> yeah, I would use mplayer if it was installed by default
[20:48] <andrew_> Helldesk, its on github
[20:48] <Helldesk> but it's not, probably because it's not FREE
[20:48] <ratherDashing> https://github.com/downloads/skgsergio/omxplayer/omxplayer_0.0.1-amdhf.deb
[20:48] <Helldesk> yeah, I'm sure it is - but I was asking about the default image
[20:48] <ratherDashing> there is a deb for hardfloat raspbian
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[20:48] <Helldesk> meh, I guess I'll just grab the .deb on a usb stick
[20:48] <ratherDashing> Helldesk: mplayer is free
[20:49] <Markavian> I wasn't blown away by the debian LXDE music player
[20:49] <IT_Sean> 'cpear
[20:49] <Markavian> trying mplayer out now
[20:49] <Helldesk> ratherDashing: but is it free as in FREE
[20:49] <Helldesk> you see, there's free and FREE
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[20:49] <ratherDashing> yeah yeah yeah, i've been using Linux since the mid 90s I know the speil
[20:49] <Helldesk> free software does not include anything that isn't FREE
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[20:49] <rasp7aa> free as in beer?
[20:50] <ratherDashing> mplayer is gpl2
[20:50] <Markavian> I'm a bit sad that the desktop IDE lags when typing
[20:50] <ratherDashing> i had to look it up
[20:50] <Helldesk> so if it supports anything that isn't terrible (thus, using established codecs etc.) it's no go on a distro
[20:50] <ratherDashing> but there you go
[20:50] <rasp7aa> Markavian: don't use x
[20:50] <Markavian> rasp7aa primary use at the moment is driving a monitor, with xchat
[20:50] <Markavian> and then I have a terminal window off to the side
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[20:50] <Helldesk> where can I find mplayer for arm in debian packaging?
[20:50] <rasp7aa> Markavian: irssi works fine for me over ssh
[20:50] <ratherDashing> Markavian: irssi isn't terrible, that's what i'm using now
[20:50] <IT_Sean> irssi ftw
[20:50] <Helldesk> irssi ftw
[20:51] <rasp7aa> irssi ftw
[20:51] <IT_Sean> THat's what i just said
[20:51] <Markavian> yes, but that would be ssh'ing in from a different machine, using up screen space on a different computer
[20:51] <Markavian> this way the pi drives itself
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[20:51] <ratherDashing> you can still use irssi from the console
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[20:51] <Markavian> sorta, with keyboard and mouse from a different pc
[20:51] <rasp7aa> Markavian: I can ssh into irssi from my phone
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[20:52] <stephan48> when i am manually starting an Xserver(to play a game via ssh x forward) i get the following error: https://paste.stejau.de/?28 any idea howto solve that?
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[20:52] <stephan48> the game in question is wolfenstein enemy territory running on my homeserver
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[20:53] <stephan48> and also when running X like this: /usr/bin/X :0 vt7
[20:53] <rasp7aa> stephan48: Don't use https if you don't have a certificate
[20:53] <stephan48> rasp7aa: i got a cert
[20:53] <andrew_> anyone else seeing prometheus tonight?
[20:53] <rasp7aa> stephan48: Well chrome doesn't like it
[20:53] * andrew_ is now known as dirty_d
[20:53] <stephan48> rasp7aa: one from cacert upon which i trust
[20:53] <stephan48> more than the other snakeoil providers
[20:53] <stephan48> so feel free to switch to http
[20:54] <stephan48> when you are not able to force chrome to open the page
[20:54] <rasp7aa> try fiddling with your xorg.conf
[20:54] <Markavian> rasp7aa, cool, but useless to me :D
[20:54] <stephan48> i cant connect via network("DISPLAY=<ip>:0.0 et" either it says cant conntact xserver)
[20:55] <stephan48> rasp7aa: ok any hints?
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[20:55] <rasp7aa> stephan48: try sudo startx
[20:55] <stephan48> where does xorg saves it config per default?
[20:55] <stephan48> i dont want a full guid launched
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[20:56] <rasp7aa> stephan48: read this http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/XoverSSH/X-over-SSH2.html
[20:56] <IT_Sean> amelia_: any sign of Pi#2 ?
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[20:58] <amelia_> IT_Sean: not that I'd tell you :D
[20:58] <IT_Sean> !!!!!
[20:58] <IT_Sean> :o
[20:58] <IT_Sean> But...
[20:58] <IT_Sean> but...!
[20:58] <IT_Sean> DIBS!!!!!!
[20:59] <lee> pi #2 here turned up a week later, despite being dispatched on the same day... now I'm waiting for pi #3 from RS
[20:59] <rasp7aa> IT_Sean: I'll sell you an rs code for $10
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[21:00] <IT_Sean> Urft... I hate people selling codes.
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[21:00] <rasp7aa> I kid I kid, I don't even have one
[21:00] <IT_Sean> Greedy buggers trying to make a profit on something that didn't cost them anything in the first place.
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[21:00] <IT_Sean> taking up a slot in the queue while they are at it.
[21:00] <lee> capitalism in action
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[21:01] <neofutur> http://www.reddit.com/r/cordcutters/comments/urqf6/you_should_all_definitely_buy_raspberry_pis/
[21:01] <neofutur> if anyone want to +1 ;) I just did ;)
[21:01] <amelia_> IT_Sean: my codes cost me being here pre-launch, during launch, post-launch.. that aside, I also have corp accounts with both RS and Farnell ^^
[21:01] <amelia_> neofutur: +1? Google sh*te? lol
[21:01] <rasp7aa> hmm never heard of /r/cordcutters
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[21:04] <neofutur> amelia_: nop reddit is not google
[21:04] <neofutur> you know you can +1 everyewhere
[21:04] <rasp7aa> I think he means upvote
[21:04] * IT_Sean -1000s neofutur
[21:04] <neofutur> people +1 d on irc 15 years before google stareted his own +1
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[21:05] <neofutur> rasp7aa: +1
[21:05] <amelia_> Google is a he?
[21:05] <neofutur> upvote, +1 . . .its nerly synonim . . .
[21:05] <rasp7aa> +1 is so stupid anyway, they should have just made it plus, "hey come plus one my latest status" versus "hey come plus my latest status".
[21:05] <IT_Sean> I'm pretty sure google is female.
[21:05] <IT_Sean> :p
[21:06] <rasp7aa> IT_Sean: Google is a transvestite
[21:06] <IT_Sean> How do you know!?
[21:06] <rasp7aa> since the ipo they've had to make such things public
[21:07] <Oooch> G+ sucks
[21:08] <svenstaro> Oooch: know of anything better?
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[21:09] <IT_Sean> svenstaro: better than G+? How about a kick in the plums. That's better.
[21:09] <Markavian> >google, her, http://th00.deviantart.net/fs32/PRE/i/2008/235/5/7/google_tan_galore_by_Etenar.jpg
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[21:11] <Oooch> svenstaro, social networking sites that people actually use
[21:12] <svenstaro> Oooch: name another that isnt facebook
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[21:12] <Oooch> Tumblr and twitter
[21:13] <hotwings> i wouldnt exactly call twitter a social networking sit
[21:13] <hotwings> *site
[21:13] <Oooch> I was one of the pro G+ people when it first came out
[21:13] <hotwings> linkedin is one, twitter no
[21:13] <D-side> what
[21:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, Pi didn't like trying to program an Arduino over uart :D
[21:14] <D-side> twitter is solely a social networking site
[21:14] <Oooch> But then it just fell flat on its face and a month after it came out, facebook had copied all of the unique features G+ had
[21:14] <amelia_> Diaspora, identi.ca ...
[21:14] <D-side> linked in a professional networking site
[21:14] <D-side> twitter, facebook, the remains of google+, all social
[21:14] <svenstaro> does diaspora do hangout stuff nowadays?
[21:14] <svenstaro> that is, can it do webcam convos with 8 people or so?
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[21:15] <hotwings> reading peoples 'blogging' AKA twitter, is not social networking
[21:15] <D-side> :|
[21:16] <hotwings> you reading celebrities twitter feeds does not mean youre social networking with them, sorry
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[21:16] <D-side> yes, it means precisely that
[21:16] <dirty_d> Gadgetoid_Air, why would you do that? lol
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[21:16] <ratherDashing> hotwings: you are getting data from them, just aren't able to transmit data back
[21:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> dirty_d: why not :D
[21:17] <D-side> IT_Sean: i'm glad to see that (about G+)
[21:17] <dirty_d> cuz you have a real computer too, lol
[21:17] <hotwings> i can tune a free digital tv channel and get data from them as well.. is that networking? no
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[21:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, which serial device is actually the UART? I have no idea what i'm doing :D :D
[21:19] <lee> well that is interesting. if I use a USB Y cable to power the rpi, connected to the power port, the pi just complains constantly about USB resets...
[21:20] <dirty_d> Gadgetoid_Air, good question, i havent even looked at any of the IO stuff yet
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[21:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've got a feeling it's ttyS0
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[21:21] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: its ttyAMA0
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[21:22] <dmsuse> ttyLMFAO :o ?
[21:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> What the hell is S0? I tried "echo "1" > /dev/ttyS0" and Pi instacrash
[21:24] <lee> the first serial port
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[21:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, thanks trevorman
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[21:26] <ReggieUK> Gadgetoid_Air, cat /proc/cmdline should give you a hint with the console= value
[21:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> "sudo echo "1" | sudo tee /dev/ttyAMA0" makes the LED hooked up to my frankenduino flash as expected
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[21:30] <rredd4> any U.S. repositories? when I download openjdk i get failed, file not found
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[21:31] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oo, breakout board comfortably talks to Pi
[21:32] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: http://86.30.196.161/ :D
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[21:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Woohoo, serial freakin' console
[21:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Nice one rasp7aa!
[21:34] <Helldesk> sigh, the kernel does not support ntfs volumes
[21:34] <Helldesk> there's always something
[21:35] <Helldesk> smaller usb stick then...
[21:35] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: What command did you use to get the cpu load percentage like you've got on your site?
[21:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> rasp7aa: are you working in Ruby?
[21:35] <rasp7aa> no
[21:35] <rasp7aa> but it must pass a shell command to start with right?
[21:36] <rredd4> where should i download openjdk from?
[21:36] <rasp7aa> rredd4: apt-get?
[21:36] <ratherDashing> rredd4:
[21:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> rasp7aa: aye, several
[21:36] <ratherDashing> rredd4: what distro
[21:36] <rredd4> says some of the files not found
[21:36] <rredd4> debian
[21:36] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: So what's the shell command to get a cpu load percentage?
[21:36] <rredd4> i did apt-get
[21:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> my CPU % is currently: vmstat | awk '{print $13}' rasp7aa
[21:37] <rredd4> it used uk repository
[21:37] <rredd4> i am in the usa
[21:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> I did use top, but it was extremely bloaty and slow
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[21:37] <ratherDashing> rredd4: openjdk-6-jdk ?
[21:37] <rredd4> yes
[21:37] <ratherDashing> sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk
[21:37] <rredd4> yes
[21:38] <ratherDashing> type that in yer console
[21:38] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid_Air: Which is the load percentage, cs? or us?
[21:38] <rasp7aa> procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu----
[21:38] <rasp7aa> r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa
[21:38] <rasp7aa> 0 0 0 141736 8408 39928 0 0 0 0 811 28 1 0 98 0
[21:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> rasp7aa: I use "us"
[21:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> I think
[21:38] <rasp7aa> So I'm currently at 1% load?
[21:39] <elspuddy> woohoo byobu works :D now if i can only compile this irc client
[21:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> Who knows!
[21:39] <rasp7aa> lol
[21:39] <chancellorsmith> rather pleased to have got ruby on rails running on my arch pi
[21:39] <rredd4> ratherDashing trying sudo apt-get update. i get file not found with install
[21:39] <chancellorsmith> now to do something interesting with it
[21:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> chancellorsmith: can't say much for Rails, but I've done some GPIO stuff in Ruby
[21:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> A clock :D https://github.com/Gadgetoid/Ruby-RPi-Binary-Clock
[21:40] <ratherDashing> rredd4: whats the exact error
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[21:40] <ratherDashing> rasp7aa: good man for chaning yer "pi" password :)
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[21:41] <rasp7aa> ratherDashing: It was never pi to begin with :s
[21:41] <ratherDashing> oh i was assuming you were using the default debian distro
[21:41] <rasp7aa> raspbian
[21:41] <rasp7aa> ftw
[21:41] <ratherDashing> yeah that's what i using
[21:42] <ratherDashing> brb trying the default raspbian login :)
[21:42] <chancellorsmith> Gadgetoid_Air: that looks exceedingly clever - well done
[21:42] <rasp7aa> k
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[21:42] <rredd4> ratherDashing says 404 not found on files, and unable to fetch some archives.
[21:42] <Helldesk> ratherDashing: that omxplayer you linked is the wrong architecture, it's armhf when raspi needs armel
[21:42] <ratherDashing> rasp7aa: did you regenerate your ssh keys
[21:42] <ratherDashing> Helldesk: that only works for raspbian, hardfp
[21:43] <rasp7aa> ratherDashing: Probably not
[21:43] <rasp7aa> rasp7aa: How would I go about doing that?
[21:43] <ratherDashing> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-regenerate-openssh-host-keys/
[21:43] <rredd4> ratherDashing apt get update worked. its finding files now
[21:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> chancellorsmith: I've got a bunch more components I want to try to do things with, Ruby is a really nice language to work in and the GPIO library works a treat
[21:43] <chancellorsmith> the nice thing about pi at the moment is anything you do - e.g. a twitter bootstrapped site running on rails on a pi - you can say confidentially - it's the only one in the world ??? err probably.
[21:43] <ratherDashing> rasp7aa: since everyone is using the same image then i have your private key, big no no
[21:44] <rasp7aa> oh dear
[21:44] <ratherDashing> rasp7aa: this will generate a new public private key, so i wouldn't be able to man-in-the-middle you
[21:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> chancellorsmith: Haha, you mean... like mine?
[21:44] <chancellorsmith> Gadgetoid_Air: i would love to get my Pi controlling some things in the real world via GPIO and a rails site
[21:44] <ratherDashing> it's a quick fix
[21:44] <IT_Sean> That sounds dirty.
[21:44] <Helldesk> I have no idea what a raspbian is
[21:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oh wait, except mine's running on Sinatra... so you'd get the first Rails award :D
[21:44] <ratherDashing> Helldesk: http://raspbian.org/
[21:44] <chancellorsmith> haha
[21:44] <chancellorsmith> I like Sinatra
[21:45] <chancellorsmith> nice and light for the pi also
[21:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> Bah, I've got a serial console up, but I can't seem to interact with it or log in... doesn't send the return key, wuuh!?
[21:46] <rasp7aa> ratherDashing: try now
[21:46] <ratherDashing> rasp7aa: you changed yer keys, sweet, yer good now
[21:47] <rasp7aa> so could you just login before?
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[21:47] <ratherDashing> rasp7aa: no, what i could have done is if somehow i was between you and another person i could read and even write to your encrypted byte stream
[21:47] <rasp7aa> ah
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[21:48] <ratherDashing> ssh's message about it all is pretty funny
[21:48] <ratherDashing> that the keys changed
[21:48] <rasp7aa> why doesn't raspbian gen fresh keys on first boot?
[21:48] <ratherDashing> rasp7aa: because it's not an "install" it's just an image of someone's distro
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[21:48] <ratherDashing> thats why the dhcp was screwy at the first
[21:48] <ratherDashing> because it was associated to someone's MAC address
[21:49] <rasp7aa> ratherDashing: I think they should add it to the install page
[21:49] <ratherDashing> in the future it'll run an install script
[21:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, well, serial terminal is secondary to my requirements... now to write a Pi IO expander program for the aduino, hook the two together and use Ruby to control it and take over the world
[21:49] <ratherDashing> rasp7aa: it's there :)
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[21:49] <rasp7aa> :o It wasn't there when I last downloaded pisces
[21:49] <ratherDashing> rasp7aa: no it probably wasn't, it was added a few days ago
[21:49] <rasp7aa> cool
[21:49] <ratherDashing> but now yer cool
[21:49] <ratherDashing> did you fix ldconfig?
[21:50] <ratherDashing> that's also broken in pisces
[21:50] <rasp7aa> hmm?
[21:50] <rredd4> is there a way to have startx work without having to type it it?
[21:50] <rasp7aa> rredd4: Yes
[21:51] <rasp7aa> rredd4: You can set it to start on boot
[21:51] <dirty_d> The earth is about 4.5 billion years old. If we had been assigning IPv6 addresses at a rate of 1 billion per second since the earth was formed, we would have by now used up less than one trillionth of the address space.
[21:51] <dirty_d> oh my
[21:51] <rredd4> which file do i modify rasp7aa
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[21:51] <rasp7aa> rredd4: follow method1, https://gist.github.com/327480
[21:51] <ratherDashing> rasp7aa: yeah the /opt/vc/lib directory isn't in the ldconfig
[21:51] <ratherDashing> that and the /dev/vchiq device has the wrong persmissions
[21:51] <rasp7aa> ratherDashing: How do I fix that?
[21:52] <ratherDashing> cd /etc/ld.so.conf
[21:52] <Hopsy> I hate firefox
[21:52] <ratherDashing> make a file, call it somin like broadcomlib.conf or somin
[21:52] <Steffanx> ok Hopsy
[21:52] <ratherDashing> edit it
[21:52] <ratherDashing> add one line, /opt/vc/lib, save it
[21:52] <ratherDashing> then sudo ldconfig
[21:52] <ratherDashing> fixed!
[21:53] <rredd4> ty rasp7aa
[21:53] <ratherDashing> then sudo chmod a+rw /dev/vchiq and those are all the fixes I had to do to pisces
[21:53] <dupondje> xbmc working on Raspbian ?
[21:53] <rasp7aa> I make broadcomlib.conf in /etc ?
[21:53] <ratherDashing> nope /etc/ld.so.conf
[21:54] <ratherDashing> sorry /etc/ld.so.conf.d
[21:54] <rasp7aa> ah
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[21:54] <rredd4> html 5 available for arm yet? so i can youtube
[21:54] <ratherDashing> i made a new conf, not to screw with the others, just in case somin in apt decides to overwrite them
[21:55] <ratherDashing> you can name it anything though
[21:55] <D-side> This work thing is for the birds
[21:55] <ratherDashing> but it's to load the broadcom libraries so i named it broadcomlib
[21:55] <rasp7aa> Okay, I did all that
[21:56] <arthurdent> does anyone think peter molyneux cube game is a good idea, or that it will have a valuable contribution to the future of understanding game design?
[21:56] <arthurdent> or do you think it's just more of the same peter molyneux hype everything bullshit?
[21:56] <Oooch> I lost faith in him when he completely lied about Fable and every other project after
[21:57] <Oooch> He's a mindless hype machine with nothing to back up his talks
[21:57] <rasp7aa> fable 1 was good
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[21:57] <Oooch> It was very good but it wasn't the game he said it would be
[21:57] <Oooch> It wasn't even 50% like what he said
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[21:57] <arthurdent> is my friend optimistic or a sucker for thinking his stupid cube game with $77,000 dlc will change the way we think about game design?
[21:58] <Oooch> A sucker.
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[21:59] <Oooch> When he actually releases a game or piece of tech
[21:59] <arthurdent> i'm going to point out in a shameless manner that it feels good when strangers back up my opinions
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[21:59] <Oooch> That's actually exactly what he said and drasitcally changes game development, then we can listen to him
[21:59] <ratherDashing> im going to point out i only have to be at work for 30 more minutes
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[21:59] <dirty_d> im going to point out that i also only have to be at work for 30 more minutes
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[22:00] <syntax_erorr> I gotta be here for 60 minutes =(
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[22:01] <arthurdent> im going to point out that i should be at work right now but i'll probably show up in an hour
[22:02] <arthurdent> yayyy lax hours
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[22:02] <elspuddy> ctcp.c:179: error: static declaration of ?ctcp_type? follows non-static declaration , <-- any one know who to fix that
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[22:04] <trevorman> elspuddy: You'll need to examine the code and work out why its doing that
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[22:09] <elspuddy> hmm, and i dont know how to code or what to look for :
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[22:15] <Mike632T> x reports screen resolution of 1824x1104 (although monitor says 1920 x 1200) and display is centred on the screen with a border - how do I get a full screen 1920 x 1080 output. I've tried various setting in config.txt but none have worked.
[22:16] <amelia_> Mike632T: have you tried disable_overscan=1 ?
[22:16] <Softnux_> Does anyone know why I cant ping my iphone via bluetooth when it's discoverable?
[22:16] <Softnux_> not discoverable*
[22:18] <ratherDashing> Softnux_: tcp over bluetooth?
[22:18] <dirty_d> is there an i2c driver included in any of the distros yet?
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[22:18] <Softnux_> ratherDashing, l2ping -c 1 50:EA:D6:F3:F2:19
[22:19] <Gadget-Mac> dirty_d: take a look at http://www.bootc.net/
[22:19] <Mike632T> amelia_: Thanks thiat might be wat I need - I was trying to set the mode directly. Will try disable_overscan=1 and report back in a few minutes...
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[22:19] <dirty_d> Gadget-Mac, is that THE raspberry pi linux kernel?
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[22:20] <Gadget-Mac> dirty_d: No. It is debian based though (not my work)
[22:20] <amelia_> Mike632T: good luck :)
[22:20] <dirty_d> hmm
[22:20] <ratherDashing> Softnux_: can't help you now, raspberr pi is home and bluetooth is broken on raspbian right now :(
[22:20] <Gadget-Mac> Alternatively http://nathan.chantrell.net/20120602/raspberry-pi-io-expander-board/ has details on what you need to do
[22:20] <dirty_d> i dont like the idea of having to use an entirely different kernel
[22:21] <dirty_d> the driver should be able to just be a module shouldnt it?
[22:21] <dirty_d> that will work with any kernel
[22:21] <Gadget-Mac> No.
[22:21] <Softnux_> ratherDashing, probably just the iphone being locked up Al? Apple, give me a shout if you have any ideas
[22:22] <Softnux_> works when it's discoverable tho
[22:22] <Softnux_> http://81.170.236.52/
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[22:23] <dirty_d> Gadget-Mac, why?
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[22:24] <Gadget-Mac> It might work, but with no guarantee.
[22:24] <Mike632T> amelia_: Oooh - that worked but I don't get 1920x1080 .... I get the full 1920x1200, I thought the limit was 1920x1080 and didn't think the pi could do that! It isn't a bad little bit of kit :-)
[22:24] <rasp7aa> Softnux: what mine looks like now http://86.30.196.161/
[22:24] <bootc> dirty_d: that kernel is mine. you could in theory build the drivers into the 'official' kernel but you'd still have to rebuild the whole kernel
[22:24] <ratherDashing> rasp7aa: Softnux_ you guy using apache?
[22:24] <Softnux_> yeah
[22:24] <rasp7aa> nope
[22:24] <Softnux_> apache + php + mysql
[22:24] <rasp7aa> lighttpd + php
[22:24] <bootc> you also need to change the architecture code to enable you to _use_ SPI devices, either through spidev or in-kernel drivers
[22:25] <bootc> dirty_d: more than happy to field any questions about it though
[22:25] <ratherDashing> ok i'm out of here, everyone enjoy tinkering with yer new linux toys!
[22:25] <Softnux_> rasp7aa, lighttpd much faster?
[22:25] <Softnux_> ratherDashing, laters
[22:25] <rasp7aa> Softnux: Dunno, I haven't tried apache on the pi
[22:25] <dirty_d> bootc, ok im looking at your github, how do i actaully just download the module code?
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[22:26] <bootc> you can't, you'd have to rebase it against the official kernel
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[22:26] <bootc> there is yet talk of me preparing a patch for the official kernel, but seeing as 3.1.9 is end of life and has nasty security bugs in it I'm not very inclined to do so
[22:27] <rasp7aa> Softnux: http://www.markround.com/archives/30-LigHTTPd-and-Apache-Symfony-benchmarks.html
[22:27] <bootc> my kernel is *just* the official one rebased against the supported 3.2 branch (3.2.18 currently) and with my SPI and I2C drivers added in
[22:27] <cehteh> bootc: i was thinking about lifting the raspberry pi patches to more recent kernels
[22:27] <bootc> cehteh: been there, done that
[22:27] <bootc> well, for 3.2
[22:28] <cehteh> bootc: git url please
[22:28] <bootc> for any higher the changes are harder work, and we have an ongoing effort for mainline mergeable code
[22:28] <dirty_d> bootc, how much code did you actually have to change to get your i2c module to work?
[22:28] <bootc> cehteh: https://github.com/bootc/linux/tree/rpi-3.2.18
[22:28] <rredd4> does the last part of this command, </dev/tty1 >/dev/ttyl1 2>&1 stay the way it is typed? 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f YOUR_USER_NAME tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1
[22:28] <rasp7aa> Softnux: How does it know whether you're at home?
[22:29] <cehteh> yes i tried with 3.2 but aborted that to be done later, either way i think such liftting should be done kernel version by kernel version not all at once
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[22:29] <bootc> cehteh: the rpi-linear branch is where the mainline stuff is being worked on (that's just my branch, there's a few of us working on it)
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[22:30] <Softnux> rasp7aa, checks if my phone is near, always have it with me
[22:30] <Softnux> it doesn't work right now however
[22:30] <cehteh> someone posted patches to improve SD-card speed i applied them earlier today
[22:30] <rasp7aa> lol
[22:30] <rasp7aa> it's kind of creepy
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[22:30] <bootc> note that rpi-linear is not a branch where you can just build a kernel and run it and hope it works, it takes some effort to build a device tree file and so on
[22:30] <Softnux> rasp7aa, just for tests :D
[22:30] <bootc> 3.2 however is a drop-in replacement for the official 3.1.9 kernel
[22:30] <cehteh> bootc: i'll see
[22:30] <rasp7aa> you should embed your current location on google maps
[22:31] <rasp7aa> for ultra creepy
[22:31] <Softnux> yeah, just need to set up the webcam first
[22:31] <amelia_> Mike632T: any luck?
[22:31] <cehteh> just collecting .. eventually some kernel group/community should emerge caring that the rpi kernel stays up to date
[22:32] <rasp7aa> Softnux: gordonDrogon had a webcam we could control
[22:32] <cehteh> fatal: https://github.com/bootc/linux/tree/rpi-3.2.18/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?
[22:32] <cehteh> i hate github :P
[22:32] <Cheery> What's the name of object: ???(document, history=[], modified=False, root_frame=None)
[22:32] <adekto> hey people its been a more then a week wen i got the convermation that im on the list or somthing
[22:32] * cehteh wants git:// :)
[22:32] <bootc> cehteh: that's an actual web page, go to it and let github tell you proper urls :-)
[22:32] <Cheery> ???.apply(splice/build/collapse/rename)
[22:33] <bootc> (note that the default branch in my kernel.git on github has got nothing to do with RPi, you'll want to switch to it afterwards)
[22:33] <Softnux> rasp7aa, and I missed it?! dammit
[22:33] <cehteh> hah i asked for git url :) i just remembered that github serves http too :P
[22:33] <Simon-> rebasing the original 3.1.9 code against 3.x is a bad way to waste time
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[22:34] <Cheery> ???.render(screen)
[22:34] <bootc> in fact, reminds me, 3.2.19 has been tagged so I should create a new branch
[22:34] <aaa801> Anyone know the dev package for opengl?
[22:34] <adekto> anyone els having this problem?
[22:34] <plugwash> bootc, i'm guessing it will take a while to rewrite the drivers to mainline standard?
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[22:34] <Simon-> plugwash: the main problem is usb
[22:34] <Cheery> aaa801: I'm waiting my pi to make one. :]
[22:35] <Cheery> aaa801: or wait. dev package?
[22:35] <Cheery> do you need that?
[22:35] <aaa801> yes
[22:35] <Cheery> /opt/vc/lib/ should contain the libs
[22:35] <Cheery> ls and see whether they are there
[22:35] <aaa801> there not being found by this stupid configure script :/
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[22:36] <Simon-> I wonder if the problems with SD speed are related to the high USB interrupts
[22:37] <aaa801> Simon-: did you manualy set the sd frequency?
[22:37] <Simon-> no I've not done anything with sd yet
[22:37] <dirty_d> bootc, where is the actual official kernel youre talking about?
[22:37] <aaa801> make /boot/config.txt, lob in sdram_freq=500, see if it makes a difference
[22:37] <dirty_d> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux ?
[22:38] <aaa801> im not seeing any speed issues
[22:38] <adekto> farnell hasnt send me a mail for over a week. wen can i place my order?
[22:38] <Simon-> aaa801: I don't have a working sd driver.
[22:38] <aaa801> D:
[22:38] <aaa801> How are you booting your pi then :/
[22:38] <bootc> dirty_d: yes
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[22:39] <dirty_d> ok, im gonna look into all this later, gotta leave work
[22:39] <dirty_d> thanks
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[22:43] <aaa801> -- Could NOT find OpenGL (missing: OPENGL_gl_LIBRARY)
[22:43] <aaa801> =/
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[22:49] <rredd4> what is the admin password once i am in debian? it does not seem to be raspberry
[22:49] <Draylor> sudo passwd & set one
[22:49] <D34TH> rredd4 are you typing su?
[22:49] <rredd4> k
[22:49] <rredd4> no synaptic
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[22:51] <cehteh> no password for root ..
[22:51] <reider59> sudo passwd root
[22:52] <aaa801> no
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[22:52] <aaa801> login as pi with pw raspberry
[22:52] <aaa801> then sudo passwd
[22:52] <reider59> put password in and verify
[22:52] <reider59> then use su root and put in password
[22:52] <aaa801> if u do passwd root itl bitch about not permitted to mess with root pw
[22:52] <reider59> mine didn`t
[22:52] <rredd4> yeah, i tried passwd root? lol, it did complain
[22:53] <aaa801> mhm, maybe it varys per dist
[22:53] <aaa801> :/
[22:53] <aaa801> opengl yuno include folder :@
[22:53] <reider59> done it here loads of times
[22:53] <rredd4> does the last part of this command, </dev/tty1 >/dev/ttyl1 2>&1 stay the way it is typed? 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f YOUR_USER_NAME tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1
[22:53] <rredd4> where do i put in the password in that command?
[22:54] <rredd4> for auto login
[22:54] * dupondje just installed Raspbian :)
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[22:56] <duckinator> so my Pi just arrived a while ago. it works, but i hooked up video via composite and the console is very flickery...is there some fix for that? :( i can't find one anywhere
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[22:56] <SpeedEvil> it's 60hz, and interlaced
[22:56] <SpeedEvil> It's meant to flicker
[22:56] <SpeedEvil> ah
[22:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> Wow, my LEDs are dim running through two shift registers
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[22:57] <rredd4> duckinator i tried video also, picture was not good. now i have it hooked to hdmi and its awesome
[22:57] * D34TH hooks up a nuclear reactor to power gadgetoid's pi
[22:57] <duckinator> SpeedEvil: mmm, right, but i meant that it flickers quite noticeably -- like the picture is sortof "wiggling", and it also seems to be going past the edges of the screen (i know that's related to overscan, but idk how)
[22:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> D34TH: I think I'm gonna need one, I'm using the 3.3v GPIO pin to power the ATMega and the 5v pin to power the shift registers/LEDs
[22:58] <duckinator> rredd4: heh, sadly i don't have a single device with HDMI *in*put :(
[22:58] <D34TH> why not seperate power instead of power through the pi
[22:58] <aaa801> hdmi to dvi cable?
[22:58] <D34TH> and make sure they share ground
[22:58] <rredd4> duckinator any chance you are from oregon?
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[22:59] <duckinator> aaa801: yea i'm ordering one, along with a wifi dongle and power cable/converter (so i can avoid snagging my sister's phone charger whenever she leaves :P), but i'm trying to get it working now lol
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[22:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> D34TH: I'm not well equipped for separate power, although I did pick up some voltage regulators so I could do so once I get some method of attaching a power supply
[22:59] <duckinator> rredd4: nope, Virginia. bit far away, I'm thinking. :P
[22:59] <aaa801> aha im using a phone charger and got a usb mini cable from a poundshop for my phone ;)
[23:00] <rredd4> duckinator ok, i was thinking of the Oregon Ducks football team. I am from oregon
[23:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm guessing the shift registers themselves sink a lot of power that the Pi just can't deliver
[23:00] <dupondje> damn apt-get install ntp takes like 2 minutes
[23:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> i've got a very suspect looking LED in my grab bag... it looks slightly different, and there's only one of them
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[23:02] <duckinator> hmm
[23:03] <lee> hmm, I wonder if carefully placing some sugru in the usb plug over the middle two pins will do the job
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[23:06] <lee> probably not... the mating is quite tight
[23:07] <mikey_w> Duckinator I am in Herico, VA, where are you?
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[23:07] <mikey_w> Henrico
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[23:09] <dupondje> Raspbian seems cool !
[23:09] <duckinator> mikey_w: bit north of Fredericksburg
[23:09] <mikey_w> ok
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[23:10] <NatureTM> just got my rspi today, wanted to try out xbmc. Is openelec the way to go?
[23:10] <mikey_w> Hopefully my pi will ship by the end of the month. Would be nice to get a pig started. "pi interest group"
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[23:12] <mikey_w> Or a pug "pi users group". lol
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[23:13] <mkopack> dupondje: Raspbian IS cool??? and it's certainly a bit faster than the normal Debian image
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[23:13] <mkopack> But there are some headaches with it - getting some stuff working on it can sometimes require some ability to deal with missing packages and compiling on your own
[23:13] <mikey_w> later gotta run.
[23:13] <Scepterr> V1 of lego case :) https://plus.google.com/u/0/106544349933037831956/posts/LwdDFpRzQ69
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[23:14] <dwatkins> I like the wheels, Scepterr
[23:14] <Mrgoose2> i bought a lego brick set 232 pieces from target earlier today
[23:14] <D34TH> hmm, http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/BASICStampDevelopmentBoards/tabid/137/CategoryID/12/List/0/SortField/0/Level/a/ProductID/133/Default.aspx found one of these in a tackle box
[23:14] <Mrgoose2> no good pieces
[23:14] <D34TH> what should i do with it
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[23:15] <Scepterr> i got the fun with vehicles set #4635
[23:15] <cehteh> bootc: any noteworthy things for make config / oldconfig?
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[23:16] <Scepterr> need some motors in there :)
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> evening all.
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[23:16] <bootc> cehteh: not especially for the 3.2 kernel, no
[23:17] <cehteh> time nice ionice -c3 make -j2 ... and now a long wait :P
[23:17] <Mrgoose2> Scepterr: http://www.target.com/p/lego-bricks-more-fun-w-vehicles/-/A-13920804#?lnk=sc_qi_detaillink , this?
[23:17] <Mrgoose2> kind of pricey
[23:18] <Scepterr> http://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Bricks-More-Vehicles-4635/dp/B005VPRDD6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339190200&sr=8-1
[23:18] <Scepterr> its enough to make a few cases/mounts though
[23:18] <Scepterr> wanna make a case for it to hang off an lcd arm
[23:18] <dupondje> now just need to get HDMI-CEC working :'(
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> Wonder if I can connect a couple of lego motors up...
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> Hm. would need to cut the cable to connect it into a driver..
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[23:26] <kadafi> NatureTM: I'm going with rasbmc.
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[23:28] <dupondje> anyone got hdmi-cec working ?
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[23:35] <ender|> is it possible to hotswap the SD card if nothing is mounted from it?
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[23:36] <nid0> yes
[23:36] <ferik> SteUK: don't know if you remember but I had eth0 issues, getting an IP address or workign statically. It was the board. Got a new one, same sdcard and everything else. Works no issues
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[23:46] <Cheery> I've always lolled at the lego fire
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[23:50] * Tiksi[work] (~mark@70-88-44-13-ct-ne.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[23:50] * ed-_ (~ferik@38.97.74.242) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:50] * PiBot sets mode +v ed-_
[23:51] * fabrice (~fabrice@nat/mozilla/x-xnocincnzsxvwcro) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[23:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> Well, I haven't done much with Pi/Arduino integration yet, but my setup is presently running quite nicely
[23:52] * lucas_nemeth_ (~quassel@201.87.56.236) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:53] * TTSDA (~Cookies@mcblockit/staff/TTSDA) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:53] * PiBot sets mode +v TTSDA
[23:53] * jelatta (~jelatta@c-24-2-159-36.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[23:53] * ferik (~ferik@38.97.74.242) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[23:53] <Syliss> i need to try my pi on my tube tv
[23:54] * bhoga (~h@212.74.12.7) Quit (Quit: leaving)
[23:54] * ed-_ (~ferik@38.97.74.242) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[23:54] * bhoga (~h@212.74.12.7) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:54] * PiBot sets mode +v bhoga
[23:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> oo, lovely it's 11pm and I've eaten nothing
[23:55] * s[x] (~sx]@ppp59-167-157-96.static.internode.on.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:55] * PiBot sets mode +v s[x]
[23:55] <bhoga> exit
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> I see you're living up to *_Air
[23:55] <bhoga> doh!
[23:55] * bhoga (~h@212.74.12.7) Quit (Client Quit)
[23:56] <Syliss> lol
[23:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ayyooo, that works on two levels
[23:57] <rredd4> no games in the uk repository?
[23:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have a 7 segment, 4 number display hooked up to my breadboarduino now, with a pot to vary the brightness from Meh to Painful!
[23:58] * jelatta (~jelatta@c-24-2-159-36.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:58] * DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[23:59] * PiBot sets mode +v jelatta

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