#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-09

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <Scepterr> a little cable management:) https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/106544349933037831956/albums/5751776573083768129/5751788754709351170
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[0:01] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, how are you talking to the arduino?
[0:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I did some successful tests just hooking up the TX/RX of the Pi's UART to the RX/TX of the Arduino
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[0:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> But I've disconnected those for now, to program from my laptop
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[0:02] <IT_Sean> :p
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, ah, neat. running the ATmega at 3.3V, I presume?
[0:02] <Cheery> hey you both.. I'd say I'm about soon finished with my editor. :]
[0:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: Yup! right from the Pi's 3.3V line
[0:02] <Cheery> (don't laugh)
[0:02] <Cheery> :P
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[0:02] <Cheery> http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=32877
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, Hm. what frequency xtal?
[0:03] <zleap> hi gordonDrogon
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> hi zleap
[0:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: I'm "overclocking" at 16Mhz, but under most circumstances the ATMega doesn't care
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, what am I looking at?
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[0:03] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, Hm. Thought 12 was the most fo 3.3v ... but if you can get away with it...
[0:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Only things you have to watch for is the brownout voltage being close to 3.3 ( it's 2.7 iirc )
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> ok
[0:03] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: the essence, while it's running.. the last version.
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[0:04] <Cheery> today I'm going to finish some features, which will be bit more impressive already
[0:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'll have to do some more thorough tests and try working the ATMega harder, but I think it's happy at 16Mhz/3.3v... and if it breaks, it's hardly prohibitive to replace anyway
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, I suspect I've missed something crucial there...
[0:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've got a spare crystal and caps already, just in case I want to run a second ATMega
[0:04] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: it's a context-recognising structural editor.
[0:04] <Cheery> first one of a kind
[0:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> For my next trick, I need to somehow get sketches uploading from the Pi to the Arduino via UART
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, I'm looking at a 12MHz system just to keep in the specs...
[0:05] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: the graphics are bit stupid now, because my layouter isn't configured by anything yet.
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, and I'll have a solution to that on Sunday...
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, ah... ok.... (I think!)
[0:05] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: but it'll be. :) about quite soon
[0:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: do you have any plans for the reset line?
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, yes....
[0:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yay!
[0:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> I wasn't sure what I'd do to re-implement the auto-reset on the GPIO... I could be missing something though
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> I'm currently programming via the programming header, but I want to move to using the Pi's serial IO.
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> I'll just "borrow" a pin for programming to use to reset the ATmega.
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[0:07] <gordonDrogon> can't look at it until sunday though - going to be spending all day tomorow working on this afternoon tea..
[0:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha, have fun with that :D
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> making the sandwidthes in the morning and serving it in the afternoon...
[0:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> But yeah, I thought "borrowing" a pin would work, but I wouldn't know how to get the arduino software to use that pin
[0:08] <Cheery> the thing I just did and things I'll do next: http://bpaste.net/show/6lHKTuglwbTcRLK3aLon/
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, you wire it to the reset pi..
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[0:08] <cehteh> hey btw .. would it be possible to hook a attiny directly to the spio pins of the rpi for programming it?
[0:08] <Gadgetoid_Air> But for now I'm happy programming via the FTDI breakout
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> cehteh, probably, but a real fiddle to get the software going on the Pi.
[0:09] <cehteh> avrdude?
[0:09] <cehteh> needs some output driver i guess
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, my aim is to get my ones programming directly via serial - initially via avrdude, but ultimately from the arduino IDE.
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> however I've no idea how the IDE hooks into the programmer side.. might have to (*cringe*) look at the source...
[0:10] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: let me know how you go, you'll probably get further than I do :D
[0:10] <ReggieUK> I Don't think it should be too difficult
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> I'm having to compile a new bootloader too as my ATmegas are using a 12MHz ceramic jobbie.
[0:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> gordonDrogon: that's one of the reasons I didn't bother with 12MHz
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> I've rarely used the arduino IDE - prefering makefiles myself.
[0:11] <cehteh> ReggieUK: btw seen my saying earlier .. i am now at 25/20 MB/sec on the SD-Card (read/write)
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_Air, I checked the code earlier today between batches of cup-cakes... not difficult to add in a new type for it.
[0:11] <ReggieUK> cehteh, what did you do to get that speed?
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> 25MB/sec? Neat.
[0:12] <ReggieUK> and is that read speed?
[0:12] <cehteh> fairy dust :)
[0:12] <ReggieUK> what's your write speed?
[0:12] <cehteh> read/write
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[0:12] <cehteh> 25/20
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[0:12] <gordonDrogon> hehe... there's gold dust on my coffee & walnut cakes :)
[0:12] <cehteh> currently building a new kernel lets see if thats even better
[0:12] <ReggieUK> what did you do?
[0:12] <ReggieUK> change the clock and divider?
[0:13] <ReggieUK> so that it's actually relevant to the sd card speed?
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[0:13] <cehteh> applied the experimental patches from Grigori Goronzy
[0:13] <ReggieUK> ahh
[0:13] <ReggieUK> got a link to them
[0:13] <cehteh> now compiling a 3.2.x kernel with them
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[0:14] <cehteh> i think this speeds are good enough
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> right off to bed now. up at silly AM to find the bakery that's making the bread. 15 loaves to collect...
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[0:14] <gordonDrogon> laters...
[0:14] <cehteh> even if the sandisk card claims 45mb/s
[0:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> Good grief this house is cooolllddd
[0:15] <cehteh> rpi doesnt suffice for heating :)
[0:15] <ReggieUK> cehteh, do you have a link to the patches please?
[0:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah... my heating is turned off
[0:15] <cehteh> well its 20??C outside and 24??C inside here .. summer is coming
[0:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oh well, no point turning it on now
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[0:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> It's been raining for the last two days here, and it's howling with wind out there
[0:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> My nipples are like bullets!
[0:16] <cehteh> ReggieUK: moment have to search them too .. but i am likely push that up to my linux git later on
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[0:20] <cehteh> meh i lost the link .. :P
[0:20] <cehteh> (but i have the patches here)
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[0:22] <rredd4> where is .bash_profile at?
[0:22] <rredd4> looked in home folder, don't see it as a hidden file either
[0:22] <cehteh> you create it
[0:22] <cehteh> ReggieUK: http://greg.kinoho.net/rpi-sd.tar.gz
[0:22] <rredd4> ok
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[0:23] <steveccc> has anyone else had the pi locking up after a few hours of use
[0:23] <cehteh> nope
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[0:23] <cehteh> sitting idle?
[0:23] <steveccc> downloading a file
[0:24] <cehteh> warmed up? .. insufficient power supply? ..
[0:24] <rredd4> so i type startx -- done fi in the bash file or just startx -- done ?
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> just startx
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> and that will start x
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[0:24] <steveccc> the powersupply was sent with the device - not sure about the temp - i have it in a case so cant touch the chip
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> if you want to start it againm, type it again
[0:24] <cehteh> maybe consider starting gdm instead
[0:25] <SpeedEvil> or a loop even
[0:25] <SpeedEvil> xdm/gdm/...
[0:25] <cehteh> there is a doc somewhere how to enable gdm
[0:25] <cehteh> its all prepared in debian
[0:25] <rredd4> https://gist.github.com/327480
[0:26] <rredd4> look at that for startx
[0:26] <cehteh> bash_profile is not the proper place to do that, its just a hack
[0:26] <cehteh> moreover bash_profile gets loaded when you login via ssh
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[0:27] <PhonicUK> my pi has been running for 11 days 2 hours now :D
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[0:27] <rredd4> i want startx to run auto.. just want to know how please
[0:27] <steveccc> phonicuk: whats yours being used for?
[0:27] <oldman> Is there a list anywhere of the packages available in the Debian sqeeze RPi repo?
[0:27] <cehteh> rredd4: become root and type '/etc/init.d/gdm start'
[0:28] <steveccc> how can i find the patch level ./ firmware level from command line
[0:28] <cehteh> if you like that then figure out how to make that permanent
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[0:28] <cehteh> steveccc: of what?
[0:28] <cehteh> uname -a ?
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[0:29] <steveccc> cehteh: the pi - i thought i heard people say that when its updated it updates the firmware level - hence i wanted to see if i need patches - its downloading at the mo so dont want to run the update command
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[0:30] <cehteh> ah yes .. dunno, go figure, look at the rpi-update script
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[0:30] <cehteh> maybe something in /opt/vc
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[0:30] <steveccc> Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #84 Fri Apr 13 12:27:52 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux is my version
[0:30] <cehteh> thats the linux not the firmware version
[0:30] <steveccc> i know
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[0:33] <cehteh> hum the update script checks the git revision
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[0:34] <steveccc> i have a vncserver running - could that cause it to crash?
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[0:35] <cehteh> kernel panic?
[0:35] <rasp8aa> does look okay to you?
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[0:36] <steveccc> cehteh: how could i check?
[0:36] <cehteh> for what definition of 'ok'`
[0:36] <plugwash> well there is a clock counting, I dunno what timezone it's supposed to be and the time seems a few minuites off
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[0:36] <cehteh> yeah
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[0:36] <cehteh> in future
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[0:36] <rasp8aa> plugwash: It's an uptime
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[0:37] <rasp8aa> :D
[0:37] <cehteh> 23:35:30 up 3:30, 3 users, load average: 2.22, 2.24, 2.23
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[0:37] <cehteh> mhm you win :P
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[0:38] <rasp8aa> my load average is 0.00 :(
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[0:38] <cehteh> 00:36:22 up 194 days, .. my office server here :)
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[0:38] <cehteh> means we moved 194 days ago :)
[0:39] <rasp8aa> you should reboot it
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[0:39] <cehteh> booted it only once in the new flat :P
[0:39] <aaa801> Mhm
[0:39] <aaa801> i have no sound :/
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[0:39] <cehteh> yeah i should build a new kernel for it and reboot eventually
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[0:41] <DaQatz> Dang netsplits
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[0:41] <plugwash> at least this one wasn't bad enough to make pibot commit suicide
[0:42] <aaa801> mhm lovely, now my pi isnt responding to ssh :@
[0:42] <DaQatz> He shouldn't do that for now. He's better throttled.
[0:42] <plugwash> ah ok
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[0:43] <rasp8aa> what causes it?
[0:43] <aaa801> Ok any help here, all the lights are on on the pi, not responding to pings or ssh
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[0:43] <rasp8aa> aaa801: is the ethernet plugged in?
[0:43] <aaa801> yes
[0:43] <aaa801> all the link lights are on
[0:43] <steveccc> does anyone know of a textbased version of irc chat program?
[0:43] <rasp8aa> aaa801: are you sure it didn't decide to grab a new address of the dhcp?
[0:44] <aaa801> i use a port scanner to get the ip
[0:44] <DaQatz> steveccc: Irssi
[0:44] <rasp8aa> steveccc: irssi
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[0:44] <aaa801> and its not showing up attall
[0:44] <DaQatz> steveccc: Weechat too
[0:44] <rasp8aa> no
[0:44] <aaa801> also all the lights seem solid on apart from the link
[0:44] <rasp8aa> irssi only
[0:44] <Simon-> what's on the serial console?
[0:44] <reider59> I set my router to reserve the same IP for the RPi
[0:44] <aaa801> the pi isnt attached to a router, its attached to a switch with ics
[0:45] <rasp8aa> reider59: why do it via the router? Just turn off dhcp and give the pi a static ip
[0:45] <DaQatz> rasp8aa: weechat is an ncurses client too
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[0:45] <aaa801> but why is the ok light solid on
[0:45] <aaa801> thats never good :/
[0:45] <Ben64> 2nd pi arrived!
[0:45] <rasp8aa> aaa801: Depends on the OS
[0:45] <Ben64> or more accurately, i chased down the DHL truck
[0:45] <reider59> I had that before but the script I use for the new WiFi adapter is for DHCP, it works perfectly so no need to change it
[0:46] <aaa801> maybe i borked the os
[0:46] <aaa801> :/
[0:46] <aaa801> il reflash the sdcard and see if i can get anywhere
[0:46] <cehteh> i doubt that
[0:47] <aaa801> i was messing with packages alot before i rebooted it
[0:47] <cehteh> rather some problem with hardware or power
[0:47] <aaa801> so its perfectly possible
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[0:47] <cehteh> messing with package should not crash the kernel
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[0:47] <aaa801> i dont think its a kernel crash
[0:47] <aaa801> i think its more of a something borked the network configuration file
[0:47] <cehteh> ah ok
[0:47] <nid0> not got a screen to plugin to it?
[0:47] <aaa801> na no hdmi spare atm
[0:47] <cehteh> can you hook in a sc....
[0:48] <cehteh> heh ok
[0:48] <aaa801> well no hdmi attall
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[0:53] <aaa801> ye it lives again after a reflash
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[1:08] <Cheery> huhhuh
[1:08] <Cheery> huhhuhhuhhuh
[1:08] <IT_Sean> ?
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[1:08] <Cheery> now I have undo/redo and modified-flag in my editor
[1:08] <Cheery> and concept of buffer
[1:08] <Cheery> and selection on that buffer
[1:08] <Cheery> it will allow me to implement console mechanisms next, if I want to.
[1:10] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/WKEX6OAjiDoYQTcJMJ5V/
[1:10] <Cheery> my memo
[1:10] <mastensg> Cheery: Infinite, persistent undo and redo?
[1:10] <Cheery> naah. they don't cross processes
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[1:15] <cehteh> Cheery: any extension language?
[1:16] <Cheery> cehteh: what do you mean with that?
[1:16] <Cheery> (that's no, but maybe..)
[1:16] <cehteh> like elisp
[1:16] <SpeedEvil> Cheery: Like LISP, or javascript, or intercal.
[1:16] <Cheery> umm.. I think I'll do better.
[1:16] <cehteh> well i'd prefer lua
[1:16] <cehteh> yeah editor in intercal :)
[1:16] <Cheery> f*** lua. :P
[1:17] <cehteh> PLEASE!
[1:17] <Cheery> or python
[1:17] <Cheery> in fact, any text based language doesn't do
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[1:17] <Cheery> well for now I'll use python. :] as it's the implementation language
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[1:17] <cehteh> well the zile team adopting lua .. i am looking at that
[1:17] <Cheery> but I'll write a new language and rewrite this thing in that.
[1:18] <Cheery> it'll be something like python or lua or javascript. ^^
[1:18] <Cheery> in fact you'll likely like it
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[1:19] <Cheery> the screenshot still looks like this: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=32877
[1:20] <Cheery> but I think it'll change in the weekend.
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[1:24] <Tomtiger11> My overclocked overvolted raspberry pi is blisteringly fast
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[1:27] <Foxhoundz> Tomtiger11: overclocked?
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[1:27] <bttf> so raspberrypi == linux box?
[1:27] <bttf> among other things, of course
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[1:28] <Tomtiger11> Foxhoundz: Yep
[1:28] <SpeedEvil> It's basically equivalent to a decade old laptop, with HDMI out
[1:28] <Foxhoundz> bttf: http://foxhound.privatedns.org/ :D
[1:28] <bttf> cool
[1:28] <bttf> memory upgrades? hdd upgrades? possible?
[1:29] <megaproxy> afaik
[1:29] <megaproxy> no
[1:29] <bttf> ok
[1:29] <Foxhoundz> you can attach an external hard drive
[1:29] <bttf> for $25 its not a bad deal
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[1:30] <Scepterr> no decade old laptop could hw decode 720/1080p :)
[1:31] <bttf> touche
[1:32] <Scepterr> or run on AA batteries
[1:32] <rasp8aa> the raspberry pi can't run on AA for very long
[1:33] <Tomtiger11> What about a car battery? :D
[1:33] <Scepterr> didnt say how long or how many batteries :p
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[1:33] <rasp8aa> Tomtiger11: 11 hours
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[1:34] <Kribby> Guys anyone having probs resizing the root partition using Fedora Remix?
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[1:34] <Kribby> I seem to be timing out at that particular part in the first time setup
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[1:34] <plugwash> dunno, but I run a beagleboard XM and a mobile broadband router of leisure batteries in a project i'm doing
[1:34] <Tomtiger11> rasp8aa: With engine running + wheels turning?
[1:34] <plugwash> and a pair of them can keep it running just over a week
[1:35] <plugwash> they are BIG leisure batteries though, 110AH
[1:35] <rasp8aa> Tomtiger11: well the wheels would recharge the battery
[1:35] <rasp8aa> Tomtiger11: So, until you run out of petrol
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[1:37] <Tomtiger11> rasp8aa: Electric car
[1:37] <Tomtiger11> Charged by its-self
[1:37] <Tomtiger11> :D
[1:37] <rasp8aa> physics doesn't work like that
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[1:39] <bjorn_248> does anyone else have the problem of not having any free space after installing the image to their SD card?
[1:39] <cehteh> downhill it will work :)
[1:39] <bjorn_248> I've tried debian and raspbmc now
[1:39] <bjorn_248> http://paste2.org/p/2049011
[1:39] <cehteh> not any?
[1:39] <bjorn_248> this is on a 4GB SD card
[1:40] <Kribby> yeah my resizing is awfully shitty
[1:40] <Kribby> I have a 30gb sd card
[1:40] <Kribby> *32
[1:40] <bjorn_248> well, not any is an overstatement
[1:40] <Kribby> I get badly reformatted to about 500mb
[1:40] <Kribby> at best
[1:40] <cehteh> bjorn_248: you have to resize the partitions or create a new one for your data
[1:40] <reider59> did you set it to use the rest of the space after the first 2 gig?
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[1:41] <bjorn_248> cehteh, thanks, I'll try that
[1:41] <reider59> check this vid.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4VovMDnsIE&feature=plcp
[1:42] <cehteh> bjorn_248: i created a new partition with the rest of the card and moved / bind mounted /home /usr /opt and /var over there
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[1:42] <Ben64> why not just resize
[1:42] <cehteh> others resize the partitions .. whatever you like
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[1:43] <reider59> its whatever works for each of us, personally I resized too but others do it their way
[1:43] <cehteh> i like to have a semi-static root filesystem
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[1:43] <cehteh> in case of a chrash or power loss the chance that the rootfs gets damaged is smaller
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[2:20] <Markavian> brb, building my rpi into a lego case while its still plugged in
[2:20] <reider59> watch you don`t brick it
[2:20] <Skrotus> ha
[2:20] <Markavian> if I disconnect you'll soon know ;)
[2:21] <bjorn_248> can anyone tell me how to properly install raspbmc
[2:21] <bjorn_248> ?
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[2:21] <rasp8aa> bjorn_248: windows or linux?
[2:21] <bjorn_248> either
[2:21] <rasp8aa> bjorn_248: windows or linux?
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[2:22] <bjorn_248> I have both, I don't have a preference. linux, I guess...
[2:22] <bjorn_248> apparently I am supposed to get the installer from a blog post
[2:22] <bjorn_248> not from the raspbmc website
[2:23] <cehteh> huh
[2:23] <rasp8aa> http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/os-x-linux-installation/
[2:23] <bjorn_248> I went ahead and made this thread, which annoyed the developer.
[2:23] <bjorn_248> http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=489
[2:23] <bjorn_248> rasp8aa, that's for the release version
[2:23] <bjorn_248> and I did that
[2:23] <bjorn_248> which is apparently wrong
[2:23] <rasp8aa> who said it was wrong?
[2:23] <bjorn_248> the developer
[2:24] <bjorn_248> in the forum topic I linked
[2:24] <rasp8aa> http://download.raspbmc.com/downloads/bin/ramdistribution/installer-testing.img.gz
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[2:24] <bjorn_248> that's what I downloaded...I just get a terminal, which is fine, and I am currently resizing the partition of my SD card so it takes up the entire thing, but apparently xbmc is supposed to be installed and run by default
[2:25] <bjorn_248> I have no problem setting up xbmc on my own
[2:25] <bjorn_248> but apparently I'm doing it wrong if xbmc isn't installed already and working on first boot
[2:25] <fakker> weird, auto starts forme
[2:26] <rasp8aa> were you connected to the internet for the first boot?
[2:26] <fakker> yeah
[2:26] <fakker> /opt/xbmc-bcm/xbmc-bin/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin
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[2:32] <rvalles> Raspberrypi's framebuffer is 16bit, so X is also 16bit. Why? How do I get 24bit?
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[2:33] <mastensg> rvalles: OpenGL ES.
[2:34] <rvalles> mastensg: :?
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[2:34] <rvalles> mastensg: so only through opengl es can I see 24bit? Current fb driver limitation or we are stuck with 16bit forever?
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[2:36] <cehteh> isnt there some xserver which can use opengl as backend?
[2:36] <cehteh> (opengles)
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[2:37] <PortaLu> not yet
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[2:38] <cehteh> or even better some port of wayland
[2:39] <cehteh> i am not overly convinced of wayland, but if it makes sense then on such small devices
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[3:15] <JohnTeddy> How can I test sound?
[3:17] <blkhawk> play a video with sound on omxplayer
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[3:18] <JohnTeddy> blkhawk: omxplayer isn't found by apt-cache
[3:18] <blkhawk> ah yes
[3:18] <blkhawk> look in the forum
[3:18] <blkhawk> i only have the hardfp version
[3:19] <blkhawk> use -o local for the 3.5mm audio out
[3:20] <rredd4> is this in the repo? mozilla-compatible plugin for Java?
[3:20] <rredd4> is this is the repo? mozilla-compatible plugin to use Java
[3:20] <rredd4> is this in the repo?
[3:21] <rredd4> sorry
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[3:21] <rredd4> didn't know it posted so many times
[3:21] <rredd4> oops
[3:22] <Kolin> im not sure java has an arm compiled version
[3:22] <Kolin> what distro?
[3:22] <rredd4> debian
[3:22] <Kolin> try apt-get install java
[3:22] <rredd4> really.. wow!
[3:22] <rredd4> that easy
[3:22] <shirro> JohnTeddy: if you want to test alsa (which isn't that great) read http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound and you can install alsa-utils and run speaker-test -t sine
[3:23] <shirro> JohnTeddy: omxplayer is actually useful though
[3:23] <rredd4> html 5 browser available?
[3:23] <rasp8aa> midori
[3:23] <JohnTeddy> shirro: How do I get omxplayer?
[3:23] <shirro> rredd4: for some value of html5 most of them. midori, iceweasel (slow), chromium on some distros
[3:24] <rredd4> tried a html 5 video on you tube.. didn't work
[3:24] <shirro> JohnTeddy: compile it or find someone else who has. It is just a demo program and isn't widely packaged. I only have a raspbian version which won't work elsewhere
[3:25] <Kolin> if its not in the repo, chances are itns not been cross compiled yet
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[3:25] <Kolin> and to be fair trying to run java on a pie isnt goign to be fun
[3:25] <shirro> rredd4: youtube html video will play in iceweasel (only checked on Raspbian). It is very slow as it is software decoded. Like less than frame/second and the audio stutters
[3:25] <rasp8aa> shirro: what's your uptime?
[3:26] <shirro> I reboot a lot to update things. Only 1 day
[3:26] <Kolin> sun/oracle java definatly wont install
[3:26] <rasp8aa> mine is only 7 hours at the moment
[3:26] <rasp8aa>
[3:26] <Kolin> if someones taken the time to compile open java itl be in the repo
[3:27] <rredd4> shirro i have a 11 yr old that is interested in the pi, but she wants to have java for online websites
[3:27] <plugwash> if you want java on debian or raspbian apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk
[3:27] <rredd4> plugwash i have that
[3:27] <plugwash> that is the main java development kit and runtime, the plugin is another package, don't remember what offhand
[3:28] <plugwash> something like icedtea6-plugin iirc
[3:28] <Kribby> Anyone else unable to log into an account on Fedora Remix?
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[3:29] <rredd4> its just not loaded for midori? yeah, the midori channel says to use icedtea
[3:29] <rredd4> "The web browser plugin and Web Start which are part of Oracle Java are not included in OpenJDK. Sun previously indicated that they would try to open source these components but neither Sun nor Oracle have done so.[5]The only currently available free plugin and Web Start implementation are those provided by IcedTea." - Wikipedia
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[3:30] <Kolin> the java plugin will be prety much useless on the pi anyway
[3:30] <shirro> When omx plugins are enabled in gstreamer, vlc, firefox etc lots of programs should be able to play back h264 and xvid/divx pretty well. I have two different omx plugins for gstreamer compiled but can't work out how to configure either. I know you can use a mozplugin to play browser video with gstreamer in firefox if that was available. Though omx requires giving up a stack of memory to the gpu which isn't freindly for web browsing. Would
[3:30] <shirro> better with a custom youtube player app than a full browser.
[3:30] <Kolin> it can hardly run javascript at a decent rate
[3:30] <rredd4> shirro such as?
[3:33] <shirro> rredd4: I am talking hypotheticals. For now xbmc is the way to go for these things. But there are ways to get things like youtube working on the desktop they just haven't been built yet.
[3:34] <Kolin> just get us some decent hardware exceleration in x
[3:34] <rredd4> so increasing the swap won't help this?
[3:35] <Kolin> nope, currently we have no hardware video happening in x
[3:35] <Kolin> thats whats needed
[3:36] <rredd4> then how can they play quake on the pi then?
[3:36] <shirro> Kolin: it will help but a lot of toolkit rendering is done outside of X. It isn't going to compete with a mobile oriented UI written in something like Qt targetting the Pi's GPU
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[3:37] <blkhawk> when quake came out new pcs had about the power the pi has now :P
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[3:37] <blkhawk> ya
[3:37] <blkhawk> 96
[3:37] <rredd4> i thought the ran quake 3
[3:38] <Markavian> raspberry pi lego case construction complete, with 0 pi downtime
[3:38] <blkhawk> well when quake 3 came out the gfx cards were a lot shittier than what the pi has ;)
[3:39] <Kolin> my pi has had about 15 mins uptime since i got it
[3:39] <blkhawk> I really want to setup a cluster of pis
[3:39] <Kolin> to check it worked
[3:39] <Markavian> ;__;
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[3:39] <Markavian> mine has a permanent home now and a dedicated monitor
[3:39] <Markavian> I named it rico :)
[3:39] <Kolin> it wont get more till i get a usb seiral interface to connec to out solar panel inverter
[3:39] <Kolin> to log array output
[3:39] <Markavian> you could be waiting a while :-p
[3:39] <Kolin> and send it to a web service
[3:40] <Kolin> im about 99% sure the software will compile on it
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[3:41] <blkhawk> Kolin: why don't you just use the uart on the gpio block?
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[3:41] <Kolin> can i take a serial input via that?
[3:41] <Kolin> im not a hardware guy
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[3:42] <blkhawk> yes
[3:42] <plugwash> You can BUT you have to know what you are doing
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[3:42] <blkhawk> ya
[3:42] <Kolin> ya, i dont
[3:42] <blkhawk> say that solar thing - are you implementing rs485?
[3:42] <Kolin> leme find the details blkhawk
[3:43] <blkhawk> cause i need to build a solar monitoring thing
[3:43] <plugwash> The serial pins on the GPIO header are 3.3V logic level serial, connecting them directly to 5V logic level serial may damage the chip, connecting them to RS232 almost certainly WILL damage the chip
[3:43] <Kolin> going to compile this http://www.curtronics.com/Solar/AuroraData.html
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[3:43] <Kolin> looks prety simple
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[3:44] <Kolin> then as long as i can get a comand line input i can do the rest
[3:44] <blkhawk> ya
[3:44] <blkhawk> not what i have to do sadly
[3:44] <Simon-> connecting them to RS232 will fry the chip... that can do +/- 25V
[3:45] <Kolin> im a web developer, im only know the slightest bit hardware wise
[3:45] <Kolin> and a bit more low level software wise
[3:45] <blkhawk> Simon-: true rs232 has become a bit of a endangered species
[3:45] <blkhawk> but i agree
[3:46] <Simon-> of course if you're using a cheap pl2303 it'll barely do 5V
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[3:48] <blkhawk> sheesh
[3:49] <blkhawk> the raspberry is unuaualble to me without that mmc hack now
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[3:53] <Kribby> which mmc hack?
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[3:55] <rredd4> is ssh pre installed on the pi? debian
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[3:55] <Markavian> https://plus.google.com/photos/117867005802904356740/albums/5751848591341300401
[3:56] <rredd4> legos!
[3:56] <Markavian> :D
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[3:59] <Ben64> Markavian: yours is much smaller than mine : /
[3:59] <rasp8aa> is this an e-peen thing?
[3:59] <Markavian> did you use bigger blocks?
[3:59] <Ben64> http://2.ben64.com/rpi/case/
[4:00] <Markavian> I managed to get the base down to 10 x 13 (9x13 is the minimum?)
[4:00] <Markavian> I love the doors :)
[4:01] <rasp8aa> where are my pants?
[4:01] <Ben64> it'll hold me over for the foreseeable future
[4:01] <mikey_w> I don't have any kids here and no legos. What is a cheap lego set that would hae the right blocks?
[4:01] <rasp8aa> mikey_w: Just cut holes in the box it came in
[4:01] <Ben64> i really like this case though... http://asset2.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/03/05/raspberry-pi-case_05a-580x435.jpg
[4:02] <Markavian> mikey_w, eek, you need quite a few basic blocks in odd shapes
[4:02] <Markavian> there might be some starter brick packs that have the right parts
[4:02] <Ben64> what odd shapes are required?
[4:02] <Ben64> except for my doors and stuff, its all normal blocks
[4:03] <Markavian> thin 1/3rds, 1x3s, 2x1, 1x1, 4x4, 2x8, 2x3 ... all sorts, the dimensions (13x9) are horrible to work with
[4:03] <mikey_w> rasp8aa, good cheap idea.
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[4:04] <Ben64> http://shop.lego.com/en-US/Pick-A-Brick-11998
[4:04] <Ben64> can buy blocks there, pretty cheap
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[4:06] <Markavian> Ben64, don't give me ideas :-p
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[4:06] <eggy> I've been thinking about a lego case :p
[4:06] <Markavian> I need to sort and store my lego really
[4:06] <eggy> I saw the blog post about it :p
[4:06] <Ben64> i'd like to make a fancier lego case
[4:06] <Ben64> all black, with smooth top or something
[4:07] <Ben64> http://tfvlrue.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/dsc_100107-235652_size.jpg
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[4:07] <Ben64> like that, some guy made it for linksys wrt54g
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[4:08] <rasp8aa> lego is still going to creak like hell
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[4:10] <mikey_w> No real heat problems.
[4:11] <Markavian> that's partly why I left a gaping huge hole at the top
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[4:12] <Markavian> to let it vent some of the nascent heat
[4:13] <rasp8aa> Markavian: max the pi will EVER get is 45C
[4:13] <Markavian> I saw that vid? :D I'm overclocking it too
[4:13] <rasp8aa> vid?
[4:13] <Markavian> it crashed a few times, but its been running 2 days stable now
[4:14] <rasp8aa> when it crashes does it auto restart?
[4:14] <Markavian> yeah there was a vid at Maker Faire where Eben was talking about what not to do when overclocking the pi
[4:14] <Markavian> no it freezes, but I've set everything to boot back up to the desktop
[4:14] <Markavian> its running x, and I couldn't ssh back in
[4:15] <Markavian> but like I say, its not done that for two days now, so going pretty stable
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[4:15] <rasp8aa> that sucks
[4:15] <ztag100_> about legos, if you live near a lego store (in some malls) you can go in and pick the blocks you need
[4:15] <plugwash> you can but the selection generally sucks
[4:16] <Markavian> having problem with audio still, got an mp3 file that it gets various distances through before crashing
[4:16] <Markavian> by crashing, I mean, freeze
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[4:16] <plugwash> If you really want specific places then the only reasonable way to get them is to buy from third party dealers on bricklink
[4:16] <plugwash> *peices
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[4:18] <plugwash> pick a brick on the lego online shop has more but I still think it has less selection than bricklink
[4:18] <plugwash> *more than the stores
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[4:21] <ztag100> sorry bout that, did I miss much
[4:21] <SpeedEvil> They should just do a new 'pi case' block
[4:22] <SpeedEvil> Problem solved
[4:23] <rasp8aa> SpeedEvil: or just force it_sean to crank out wooden cases under gunpoint
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[4:26] <ztag100_> I'm asking one of my artsy friends to make a case for me
[4:26] <Markavian> good night o/
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[4:29] <ztag100> what distros are everybody using?
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[4:30] <shirro> ztag100: given the number of people here I think you can safely assume all of them
[4:31] <ztag100> yes, but I'm just wondering which ones most people are using?
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[4:32] <rasp8aa> raspbian > debian > dark elec > open elec > raspbmc > arch > everything else > fedora
[4:32] <ztag100> raspbian? I have not seen this distro
[4:33] <shirro> people will generally recommend arch or debian for general purpose use.
[4:33] <rasp8aa> ztag100: you be crazy
[4:33] <ztag100> new to the pi community
[4:33] <rasp8aa> raspbian.org
[4:33] <shirro> raspbian is just Debian Wheezy armhf recompiled for the Pi's armv6
[4:33] <ztag100> I kind of ordered it in march, and not paid any attention to the community until I got mine yesterday
[4:34] <rasp8aa> shirro: the build is also lighter than the debian build
[4:34] <ztag100> Maybe, I should tell you guys my plan for my pi, than you can reccomend stuff
[4:34] <rasp8aa> maybe
[4:34] <shirro> the images are but you can put it together however you like. Debian isn't a single thing. It is the universal OS. You make it into whatever you want
[4:34] <rasp8aa> ztag100: this is my pi,
[4:34] <ztag100> I want to setup many classic game system emulators (NES, SNES, Genesis, and such) on the pi
[4:36] <rasp8aa> I think someone compiled mame the other day
[4:36] <shirro> ztag100: you want something with lots of libs which is good to develop on though you will probably want to look into cross compiling for performance. You will be porting stuff from pandora and such to get all of those or waiting until someone else does them in which case you want a widely used syste. debian(+raspbian) or arch would be the strongest candidates.
[4:37] <plugwash> someone really needs to put together a cross-toolchain for raspbian
[4:37] <plugwash> I don't cross compile myself though so i'm probablly not the person to do it
[4:38] <shirro> plugwash: But I have my imx53
[4:38] <plugwash> and I have a beagleXM and we have qemu-user
[4:38] <plugwash> but still for some things I think a cross toolchain is the best soloution
[4:39] <ztag100> rasp8aa: you're pi is running that webserver
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[4:39] <shirro> cross is great for kernels. instant gratification
[4:39] <rasp8aa> ztag100: Yes, and the number is the uptime
[4:39] <ztag100> ahh, nice
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[4:41] <ztag100> I think I might end up porting some of it myself, unless someone else has the same plan as me
[4:41] <Decepshun> hello...I am trying to get raspbmc to work....anyone familiar with it
[4:41] <Decepshun> ?
[4:41] <shirro> rasp8aa: Can you add the number of usb interrupts to the web page? Serve it at the inital page load then increment it by 8000 every second
[4:41] <rasp8aa> ztag100: It's not the time in Bangladesh off by a couple of minute
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[4:41] <rasp8aa> shirro: 8000?
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[4:44] <shirro> You can get the number by reading /proc/interrupts. From command line I do awk '$1 ~ 75 { print $2 }' /proc/interrupts but you can do it in php easy enough.
[4:46] <shirro> Or you could just multiply the number of seconds of uptime by 8000 which will be close enough
[4:46] <rasp8aa> why?
[4:47] <shirro> Art
[4:47] <rasp8aa> I only get 1200 interrupts per second
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[4:48] <shirro> rasp8aa: nice
[4:48] <ReggieUK> indeed
[4:48] <shirro> must be usb 1 mode somehow
[4:48] <ztag100> what web server are you using on it?
[4:48] <rasp8aa> lighttpd
[4:48] <ztag100> I figured
[4:49] <shirro> why no nginx?
[4:49] <ztag100> the rasppi is half as powerful as my VPS
[4:49] <shirro> ztag100: that must be a shocking vps
[4:49] <rasp8aa> ztag100: probably way less
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[4:49] <ztag100> shirro, lol, if you base it off of ram
[4:49] <rasp8aa> you can't compare arm to x86
[4:49] <ztag100> my VPS 512MB of ram
[4:49] <ztag100> rasp8aa: I just did!
[4:50] <glac> hey there everyone. i just got my rpi today, and forgot to order a power supply with it. i do have access to a nokia AC-6U, which has an output of 5V and 550 mA. However, the specs for the rpi says that it should have a max current of 500 mA. should i go look for something else?
[4:50] <Kolin> lol ztag100
[4:50] <rasp8aa> glac: nope
[4:50] <rasp8aa> glac: I mean yes
[4:50] <plugwash> rasp8aa, you can and we do and computing power wise it doesn't look too favorable for arm at the moment
[4:50] <Kolin> lol
[4:50] <plugwash> OTOH power consumption of the arm is much lower
[4:50] <Kolin> nope
[4:50] <Kolin> i mean yes!
[4:50] <rasp8aa> plugwash: I heard it was arm is 8x slower than an atom x86 at a similar clock speed
[4:51] <shirro> glac: it might work but it isn't the best idea for reliable operation
[4:51] <glac> rasp8aa: I should go look for something else, yes?
[4:51] <rasp8aa> glac: Anything with at least 700mA would be better
[4:51] <glac> shirro: that's what I was thinking, but figured I'd ask here before ordering something/going to frys
[4:51] <plugwash> ignore that stupid instruction sheet put in by some idiot at the distributors
[4:51] <shirro> rasp8aa: there is a lot of difference between arms. An a9 is a very different beast to the Pi
[4:51] <des2> glac dou you have a powered usb hub ?
[4:51] <plugwash> you want much MORE than 500ma
[4:51] <rasp8aa> shirro: this arm
[4:52] <glac> des2: yes, I do.
[4:52] <rasp8aa> shirro: arm11 v6
[4:52] <des2> How much can it provide ?
[4:53] <glac> plugwash: in the paperwork that comes with it, it says that the power supple should have a max current of 500mA. why would I want something with more?
[4:53] <plugwash> glac, because that paperwork is BS
[4:53] <shirro> glac: the paperwork is wrong. you want to go shopping. but you may be able to get it to boot. I am guessing nokia kit is probably a bit better than your average supermarket crap
[4:53] <des2> should be 500ma minimum
[4:53] <plugwash> and even that is wrong, 500ma is not enough to run a Pi reliablly afaict
[4:54] <des2> 1000ma is probably ideal
[4:54] <plugwash> someone at the distributors screwed up plain and simple
[4:54] <rasp8aa> glac: do you have an iphone/ipad/kindle charger?
[4:55] <glac> rasp8aa: I have a nook charger
[4:55] <glac> and lovely about the bs paperwork :p I'm happy I asked here!
[4:55] <rasp8aa> glac: That might do, verify that it says 5V on the output, and check the mA output
[4:56] <glac> des2: I'm still looking, but can't find the numbers on it.
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[4:56] <rasp8aa> des2: Isn't the main fuse limited to 750mA or something?
[4:57] <ReggieUK> 700
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[4:57] <rasp8aa> so a 1000mA psu would be pointless
[4:57] <cehteh> not really
[4:57] <rasp8aa> you just need at least 700mA
[4:57] <Aterlatus> Wouldn't give any specific benefit, but wouldn't cause any problems either.
[4:58] <cehteh> and you need 5V, 4.75 at minimum .. even during spikes
[4:58] <cehteh> many small psu's dont hold the voltage very good
[4:58] <cehteh> at least not under load
[4:58] <ReggieUK> actually, it might give some benefit
[4:59] <ReggieUK> not all of these psu's can sustain their voltage at the higher current
[4:59] <Tomtiger11> Bye
[4:59] <ReggieUK> so if it's got a higher current rating, you might stand a better chance of it being able to sustain the current draw
[4:59] * cehteh ordered a 2A once .. but i prolly use the output for some other tools around, tapping it before the rpi (AVR's)
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[5:01] <rasp8aa> according to the internet the nooks charger is rated up to 850mA
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[5:01] <cehteh> and the fuses are very slow, it takes some time until they kick in, while the cpu and moreover a lot USB toys are very sensible to voltage drops
[5:02] <cehteh> chargers dont care very much about voltage stability unfortunally .. at rated current it can happen that they drop to 4.5V or less
[5:02] <Decepshun> anyone know how to stop the LIRC initialization?
[5:02] <Decepshun> with Raspbmc
[5:02] <ReggieUK> g'night all
[5:02] <cehteh> n8 ReggieUK
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[5:02] <rasp8aa> Decepshun: do you know how it's started?
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[5:04] <Decepshun> nope...I don't ewven have and IR device
[5:04] <Decepshun> an*
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[5:05] <glac> rasp8aa: I can't find an exact number on the nook charger, but off of a forum (so not sure on how reliable the info is) it puts of 800 mA
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[5:06] <rasp8aa> glac: That should work, although it is suprising that it doesn't have a sticker with the output specs
[5:06] <cehteh> weared off prolly
[5:06] <glac> rasp8aa: it actually doesn't come with a sticker on it, and i can't find it in the manual
[5:06] <glac> which is weird
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[5:07] <glac> nevermind!
[5:07] <glac> I lied, I'm just blind. 850 mA out.
[5:07] <DaQatz> Hmm qt4 is building so slow on my pi. I wonder why.
[5:07] <rasp8aa> glac: cool, and does it say 5V right next to it?
[5:07] <ztag100> who ever was asking about lego cases, http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1354
[5:08] <cehteh> DaQatz: ha.. i am still waiting for a new kernel to finish :)
[5:08] <glac> rasp8aa: yup. 5V, .85 A
[5:08] <rasp8aa> glac: perfect
[5:08] <cehteh> can you measure the voltage (under load) .. give it a try
[5:09] <cehteh> and acknowlege that a voltmeter wont show spikes
[5:09] <rasp8aa> cehteh: Not everyone has a multimeter handy
[5:09] <Ben64> everyone should
[5:10] <Ben64> very handy thing to have
[5:10] <glac> I think I could go find a multimeter when I'm on campus next week, but not right now. I used to be living with a EE, but not anymore
[5:10] <cehteh> the rpi will work at surprisingly low voltages (it has a 3.3 linear regulator anyways, dunno what its voltage drop is, prolly around 1V) ..
[5:10] <Aterlatus> Not everyone has a multimeter? Blasphemy....
[5:10] <cehteh> but any usb thing will be sensitive to drops
[5:11] <cehteh> as long you dont connect usb things it may even run as low as 4.5V (mine does) .. but if you connect usb toys then things become unreliable
[5:12] <cehteh> LD vmlinux
[5:12] <cehteh> \o/ .. kernel is finished soon
[5:12] <Ben64> the network won't work much under 5v
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[5:13] <cehteh> strangely it does too, no idea why
[5:13] <cehteh> network equipment is prolly less sensitive / has wider marigins of errors
[5:14] <Ben64> the network chip requires 5v
[5:15] <cehteh> works for me anyways .. yesterday i put it on a bike battery/charger where it dropped to 4.5V but still worked
[5:15] <glac> assuming I wanted to buy a dedicated power supply, what do you guys recommend?
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[5:16] <Ben64> 5v non transformer >=1A usb charger
[5:16] <rasp8aa> glac: a decent powered hub, that way you can power both the pi and it's peripherals off the hub
[5:16] * cehteh ordered a cheap 2A one from amazon, but i have already 2 for my nokia n900 if that doesnt work i use the 2A one for the n900 and the original nokia one for the rpi (what i am using now)
[5:17] <cehteh> yes non-transformer is a requirement, better efficency
[5:17] <glac> so say, a belkin f5u404 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817394040)?
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[5:17] <glac> woops, link got messed up. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817394040
[5:18] <cehteh> doesnt look powered to me
[5:18] <cehteh> the small 'mobile' or 'notebook' hubs are often underpowered if at all
[5:19] <glac> It is. and ah, ok.
[5:19] <rasp8aa> glac: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
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[5:19] <cehteh> and an usb port cant supply enough current for the rpi if it is standard conforming
[5:19] <glac> rasp8aa: thanks. I saw that, and just wanted to see if there was any specific product people were raving about.
[5:20] <Aterlatus> The standard allows USB to spit out up to 1.7A (maybe 1.8....), but then there might be some negotiation required in there too.... been a while since I read it.
[5:20] <glac> my hub is on there, so I guess I'll try it.
[5:20] <Ben64> you want a good hub?
[5:20] <cehteh> "Please note that these do not take into account powering the Raspberry Pi ..."
[5:21] <Ben64> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10307&cs_id=1030701&p_id=226&seq=1&format=2
[5:21] <rasp8aa> glac: the one you linked to doesn't say powered in the wiki
[5:21] <Ben64> i have that hub in my computer
[5:21] <rasp8aa> glac: You definitely want a powered one
[5:21] <glac> F5U404 Hi-Speed USB 2.0 4-Port Mobile Hub.
[5:21] <Ben64> works really great
[5:21] <glac> rasp8aa: looks like that's on tere
[5:21] <rasp8aa> glac: It doesn't say powered
[5:22] <rasp8aa> glac: unpowered ones would work, but not with much more than a keyboard.
[5:22] <glac> rasp8aa: it is under the powered header, and I know it is powered, as I'm looking at it right now.
[5:22] <rasp8aa> glac: Okay then
[5:23] <rasp8aa> glac: But note what cehteh said
[5:23] <glac> rasp8aa: yeah, I'm making sure to take that into account
[5:23] <cehteh> glac: do some math .. at most (with negotiation with the host/hub) each usb port may provide 500mA .. a 4 port hub needs at least 2A then (not accounting for its own power budget)
[5:24] <rasp8aa> you'd want to find a 5A hub if you can
[5:24] <cehteh> you may get a cheap powered hub .. but then a 1-2A phone charger to power the rpi
[5:24] <glac> it is a 2.5A hub. i guess I'll look for a 5A hub
[5:25] <Aterlatus> Surely all the lives/grounds would be tied together internally, rather than having separate power regulation for each port? Making it 2A on the bus in total, rather than split evenly between ports.
[5:26] <cehteh> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817120006 just from that page .. at least there is a pic of a serious looking psu (if it is not a transformer one)
[5:26] <rasp8aa> cehteh: I don't like how they didn't bother to put the usb ports in the centre
[5:26] <cehteh> Aterlatus: often they have single protection, fuses, diodes .. maybe even some switching (transistor)
[5:27] <Aterlatus> Per port though? If it's intended to be a cheap device, you want to minimize the components not start throwing extra fuses in there.
[5:28] <cehteh> polly
[5:28] <cehteh> well the rpi is a cheap device and has single fuses and protection diodes
[5:28] <Aterlatus> Then again, I'm thinking from an engineering perspective, not a "copy someone elses design out the back door of a Chinese factory" point of view!
[5:28] <cehteh> actually i am much surprised how much efforts are put into the protection
[5:29] <rasp8aa> you gotta work for that chinese export mark :P
[5:29] <Aterlatus> I was quite impressed. For such a small piece of kit they've managed to squeeze a lot in there. Only thing it's really missing is a 5V reg to cover running off a set of AAs.
[5:29] <cehteh> input has the big cap, a zener diode, a fuse and even a bridge to ground (maybe FCC demaded that)
[5:29] <glac> Thanks a lot for the help everyone! :)
[5:30] <ztag100> anyone here try Puppi?
[5:30] <rasp8aa> ztag100: puppy sucks
[5:30] <rasp8aa> it's kde
[5:30] <cehteh> Aterlatus: the zehner pretty much regulates the 5V :P
[5:30] <ztag100> rasp8aa, no it isn't
[5:30] <Aterlatus> Just tried putting KDE on an arch install on mine. Instantly regretted it. Looking at alternatives now.
[5:31] <rasp8aa> Aterlatus: xfce is supposed to work quite well on the pi
[5:31] <Aterlatus> I want to run gentoo but something in me says it's just going to be a massive ballache.
[5:32] <Aterlatus> It's what I run on my servers, so I'm familiar, but having to distcc everything to avoid booking a week off to compile a "Hello, World!" app....
[5:32] <cehteh> i'd like to play with nixos .. but that needs some build farm :)
[5:33] <Aterlatus> Used to be a debian man many moons ago when I first started tinkering with Linux, but it just feels alien now. Still, if it's becoming the distro of choice I might have to suck it up.
[5:34] <cehteh> later on when one can buy more than one rpi, then i can buy 10 for a cluster/build farm :)
[5:34] <cehteh> model A would suffice then
[5:34] <cehteh> :o)
[5:34] <Aterlatus> I could get a second now, but my credit card says no. At least I got a free t-shirt in the deal. lol
[5:35] <rasp8aa> Aterlatus: !!!
[5:35] <ztag100> I think, I'm going to gather all the ports of random emulators, than make a distro image with all of them install
[5:35] <ztag100> ed
[5:35] <rasp8aa> Free t-shirt?!
[5:35] <ztag100> what distro should I base it off?
[5:35] <Aterlatus> Yeah, off Farnell.
[5:35] <cehteh> second one makes no sense .. if you can bulk order then you can safe a lot postage
[5:35] <ztag100> so far, it seems like debain is the best choice.
[5:35] <rasp8aa> farnell never gave me a sodding t-shirt
[5:35] <Aterlatus> I was going to do that ztag, to show my kids what real gaming is!
[5:35] <cehteh> i know a lot people who want one
[5:36] <Aterlatus> Did you put the size in the comments box like they told you to? :P
[5:36] <blkhawk> well
[5:36] <rasp8aa> they never told me to
[5:36] <Aterlatus> It said it at some point in the order process. Must've, or I woudn't have done it.
[5:36] <blkhawk> I wish farnell would have used a decent shipping company instead of royal snail
[5:37] <rasp8aa> I ordered through uk.farnell though and not element14
[5:37] <Aterlatus> Mine came fairly quick once they said it was dispatched. Was over a weekend though.
[5:37] <blkhawk> i ordered throug farnell.de
[5:37] <blkhawk> didn't make a difference
[5:37] <blkhawk> Aterlatus: mine was send out on may 30th
[5:37] <Aterlatus> Might ebay mine if they're in demand... will moob sweat increase the value? :P
[5:37] <blkhawk> still hasn't gotten here
[5:38] <blkhawk> but understandable considering the distance
[5:38] <Aterlatus> Hang on, you're DE? And you're dissing royal snail? DPD aren't any better... quite the opposite.
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[5:39] <blkhawk> RS online send it via DHL
[5:39] <blkhawk> it took 18 houzrs and 12 minutes
[5:39] <Aterlatus> I had a huge box come from DE through them once and they gave it to the wrong person.... said they'd sort it out, and three days later the guy who'd received it called me and asked if I wanted to pick it up.
[5:40] <blkhawk> i called farnell - they said it could take 2 weeks
[5:40] <blkhawk> fairly insane that
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[5:42] <Aterlatus> If only we could digitise parcel delivery....
[5:42] <ztag100> Aterlatus, If you want to we can work together on it
[5:42] <ztag100> I'm up to it
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[5:42] <Aterlatus> I think I've found myself a masters project. lol
[5:42] <SpeedEvil> There needs to be more integration.
[5:42] <Aterlatus> Let's see them not give me a first if I develop a matter transporter.....
[5:42] <SpeedEvil> A global way to broadcast a way to get to your address exactly
[5:43] <blkhawk> you should apply for military funding - "I want to send pacels everywhere at the speed of light"
[5:43] <Aterlatus> Military? "Everywhere except Iran at the speed of light"
[5:43] <blkhawk> you misunderstood
[5:43] <ztag100> Aterlatus, should I PM you about this?
[5:43] <blkhawk> i was describing a gauss cannon :P
[5:44] <Aterlatus> I can't imagine it taking off ztag. lol
[5:44] <ztag100> lol, just a fun little project
[5:45] <Aterlatus> "* Error: circular dependencies:" Oh damn you Gentoo.... it's too late to debug this crap.
[5:45] <cehteh> uname -a
[5:45] <cehteh> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.18cehteh+ #3 PREEMPT Sat Jun 9 04:10:15 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[5:46] <cehteh> (BST ....)
[5:46] <Aterlatus> Right, XFCE on Debian. RaspberryPi, take 5. Action.
[5:46] <Aterlatus> 4:10? Bit off there.... :P
[5:46] <cehteh> Timing buffered disk reads: 74 MB in 3.04 seconds = 24.31 MB/sec
[5:46] <cehteh> .. still fine but not better :P
[5:47] <blkhawk> lol
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[5:47] <blkhawk> I have the same trouble in 3.2.18
[5:47] <rasp8aa> cehteh: what about writes?
[5:47] <blkhawk> I noticed some "cannot read sdcard staus register" eroors onboot
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[5:48] <cehteh> 21MB/sec
[5:48] <blkhawk> oh waiz
[5:48] <Aterlatus> SanDisk are officially trolls.... 'cut here' line across the top of the packet, so you cut it, and it's glued...
[5:48] <blkhawk> i confused cached an buffered
[5:49] <rasp8aa> Aterlatus: amazon frustration-free packaging ftw
[5:49] <blkhawk> for buffered thats great values :D
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[5:50] <Aterlatus> Anyone tried a bootsplash yet? I'd imagine it's feasible because there's obviously a framebuffer running to get the higher console resolution.
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[5:50] <blkhawk> Aterlatus: i wanted to but couldn't bothered to set a initramfs up for it yet
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[5:51] <cehteh> Timing cached reads: 174 MB in 2.00 seconds = 86.94 MB/sec fyi
[5:51] <blkhawk> i think the media distros have a splash
[5:51] <cehteh> doesnt really matter :)
[5:52] <Aterlatus> Tenner for an 8GB SanDisk SDHC (class IV I believe) from Sainsbury's... soon see what that'll put out.
[5:52] <blkhawk> cehteh: the cached it the same as with my setup
[5:52] <cehteh> likely
[5:52] <cehteh> thats the ram access time ..
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[5:53] <cehteh> dd if=/dev/zero of=/data/deleteme bs=1M count=1024 conv=fdatasync
[5:53] <cehteh> 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 46.6826 s, 23.0 MB/s
[5:53] <cehteh> .. there are the writes
[5:53] <Ben64> probably not
[5:53] <Aterlatus> Writing zeros though - better to use urandom perhaps?
[5:54] <Aterlatus> Because if the flash has any sense it's just triggering the erase operation and moving on...
[5:54] <Ben64> urandom is slow
[5:54] <cehteh> urandom will only stress the cpu, i was interested in sd card performance
[5:55] <Aterlatus> I can't imagine writing zeros to it to be any kind of stress though.
[5:56] <cehteh> makes no special case for the sd-card
[5:56] <cehteh> its not that smart
[5:56] <cehteh> besides most flash memories have 'all bits set' the erased state not zero
[5:57] <Aterlatus> Actually, if it was just clearing the blocks and not going through bit-by-bit then it'd come out a lot higher than 23MB/s. Guess it could be a reasonable test at least.
[5:57] <cehteh> and there are parity and error correction bits to be written with it
[5:58] <Aterlatus> Only ever went into the structure of flash memory itself, never learnt anything about the controllers.
[6:01] <cehteh> any such test is artifical and just serves for comparsion with the same test and other options
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[6:03] <Aterlatus> Wow, something not right there. 60MB/s cached, 4.43MB/s buffered!
[6:06] <rasp8aa> Aterlatus: Don't worry, cehteh is using a modified init_emmc value
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[6:06] <cehteh> and hacked kernel
[6:06] <cehteh> Aterlatus: yours is right :)
[6:06] <cehteh> for stock values/kernel
[6:06] <Aterlatus> No way in hell I'll be settling for 5MB/s. :P
[6:11] <cehteh> good night
[6:12] <Aterlatus> Mornin' ;)
[6:12] <cehteh> yes 6:10am here :P
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[6:52] <Mrgoose2> can i cluster 2 raspery pis?
[6:53] <Ben64> go for it
[6:54] <Mrgoose2> i wouldnt know where to start heh
[6:55] <D-side> |
[6:55] <D-side> :|
[6:55] <D-side> cluster, why
[6:55] <rasp8aa> D-side: kicks and giggles
[6:55] <rasp8aa> otherwise theres no point
[6:55] <Mrgoose2> oh, i thought maybe i would get more power
[6:56] <Ben64> power for what
[6:56] <rasp8aa> you'd get better effeciency with an atom
[6:56] <Mrgoose2> computing power. run xbmc faster??
[6:56] <Mrgoose2> i dunn
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[6:58] <Ben64> you'd be better off waiting for an accelerated X driver
[6:58] <rasp8aa> Ben64: haha yeah right, that's never going to come
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[7:04] <Aterlatus> Anyone compiled a kernel on the Pi yet? Wondering if it's worth grabbing a livecd to crosscompile with...
[7:04] <ztag100> Ah, that sounds like it would take forever
[7:05] <Ben64> rasp8aa: why not
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[7:08] <Aterlatus> If it'll take an hour, I'll do it on the pi. If it'll take 8, I'd crosscompile. Just wondering who's had a go. :P
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[7:14] <Aterlatus> "(NOTE: this will take around 6h; You might find GNU Screen useful) " Ahhh, crosscompile it is.
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[7:17] <pi_> sup
[7:19] <Foxhoundz> hiu
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[7:41] <Milos> raspberry pi is corrupting like every one of my SD cards after a few days' use
[7:42] <dipstick> *gasps* OH NOES!
[7:42] <Milos> you're such a dipstick
[7:42] <dipstick> corrupting? how so?
[7:42] <Milos> cannot mount root fs, corrupt descriptors etc
[7:42] <rasp8aa> stop pulling the power out of the pi without shutdown now first
[7:43] <Milos> I've never done that
[7:43] <Milos> >_>
[7:43] <dipstick> so the card itself is fine?
[7:43] <Skrotus> I have
[7:43] <Skrotus> several times
[7:43] <Milos> I don't think putting an OS on an SD card was a smart choice
[7:43] <Milos> though, it could be the type of SD cards I am using
[7:44] <dipstick> well, it could be worst. intergrated sata into the single usb bus.
[7:44] <Milos> lol
[7:44] <rasp8aa> dipstick: my laptop has an estata/usb combo port
[7:44] <Milos> mine too!
[7:44] <dipstick> ew
[7:44] <dipstick> how does that work?
[7:44] <Milos> easily.
[7:44] <Milos> google it
[7:45] <dipstick> sata and usb have different plugs.
[7:45] <Milos> *gasps* OH NOES!
[7:45] <Milos> how's that for dog food
[7:46] <rasp8aa> dipstick: BAM http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj284/davidli919/DSC00353.jpg?t=1244823039
[7:46] <Milos> and ... the dirt is gone
[7:47] <rasp8aa> esatas lack of power sucks though
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[7:48] <dipstick> esatap looks wank for laptops. kinda defeats the purpose if there's no 12v power.
[7:50] <dipstick> I'm a fan of all in one cables, requiring a seperate power supply for a hdd on a esatap port is redunkulas.
[7:50] <rasp8aa> no
[7:50] <dipstick> anywho, back to that sd corrupting issue...
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[7:51] <Milos> eys
[7:51] <Milos> s/eys/yes/
[7:52] <dipstick> kinda odd imo. what brand are you using?
[7:52] <Milos> "Apacer"
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[7:52] <Milos> that was my guess as to why, maybe
[7:52] <dipstick> mmm, off brand. never heard of it.
[7:52] <Milos> I plan on trying sandisk or kingston?
[7:52] <Milos> what do people recommend?
[7:53] * dipstick is a big fan of sandisk flash media.
[7:53] <Milos> they seem to be quite boss
[7:53] <dipstick> kingston gets second
[7:53] <Milos> what is the rpi controller read/write limitation?
[7:53] <dipstick> good enough for class 10
[7:53] <Aterlatus> I'm a sandisk fan myself - iirc they were a big player in the R&D of SD.
[7:53] <Milos> which is really slow..
[7:53] <Milos> I'm not interested in class 10
[7:54] <Baneat> Doesn't SD stand for Sandisk?
[7:54] <Milos> nah
[7:54] <Aterlatus> I'm trying to get something more than 'pitiful' out of a class IV now, but it's far from straightforward.
[7:54] <dipstick> sd cards are slow to begin with.
[7:54] <Aterlatus> SD = Secure Digital
[7:54] <Baneat> ah, always assumed they just named it after themselves
[7:54] <Milos> lol
[7:54] <Aterlatus> I'm sure it's no coincidence.
[7:54] <Baneat> Certainly can't have harmed their market share
[7:55] <dipstick> I got a class 6 for me pi when I get it.
[7:55] <Milos> I used a class 10, then it corrupted, so I retried, then it corrupted
[7:55] <Milos> so I used a class 6
[7:55] <Milos> it lasted a few extra days
[7:55] <Milos> then it corrupted
[7:55] <dipstick> lol
[7:55] <Baneat> Cursed pi
[7:55] <dipstick> get a new iso
[7:55] <Milos> I'll bet it's the brand
[7:55] <Baneat> I can't get mine to use ethernet or USB consistently
[7:55] <Milos> nah, I use gentoo on it anyway
[7:56] <Milos> I don't use any of the provided images
[7:56] <Milos> don't want them
[7:56] <Aterlatus> I want to run Gentoo, but then I'd have to install it on my desktop again as a distcc box.
[7:56] <Aterlatus> And I CBA doing a full install.
[7:56] <Milos> you can use distcc on any OS
[7:56] <dipstick> could be the drivers.
[7:56] <Milos> gentoo is win, especially here, because we lose the problem of not having enough binaries for arm
[7:57] <DaQatz> !channel #rpi-gentoo
[7:57] <PiBot> DaQatz: #rpi-gentoo - Gentoo for the raspberry-pi.
[7:57] <Aterlatus> Been a Gentoo man for a loooooooong time now.
[7:57] <Milos> lovely
[7:57] <Milos> I'm only 4 years in.
[7:57] <Aterlatus> For that reason. Not using binaries someone else has compiled to their liking - everything just feels fresher. lol
[7:57] <dipstick> I blame the bloddy drivers! :P
[7:58] <dipstick> I cba to compile everything.
[7:58] <Aterlatus> Now when I use a binary package manager I feel like I'm buying someone's used skiddies.
[7:58] <Milos> lol
[7:58] <Aterlatus> So I'm compromising on Debian for the pi - crosscompiling the kernel on a gentoo install. :P
[7:58] <dipstick> I almost read 'skiddies' as 'skiddles'
[7:59] <Milos> debian :(
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[7:59] <TechJeeper> Howdy Room
[7:59] <Milos> um
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[7:59] <Room> howdy
[7:59] * Room is now known as Milos
[7:59] <TechJeeper> Hows it going
[7:59] <Milos> pi-like
[7:59] <dipstick> om nom nom nom nom pi
[7:59] <Milos> I had two mince pies today
[8:00] <Milos> I DON'T DO THAT OFTEN
[8:00] <Scepterr> v1 of my PiMobile complete :) https://plus.google.com/u/0/106544349933037831956/posts/bSaxLhZfX52
[8:00] <Milos> so it's ok
[8:00] * dipstick want pumkin pie
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[8:00] <Milos> lmfao pimobiles
[8:00] <Milos> does it corrupt everything in its path
[8:00] <Milos> file descriptors alike
[8:00] <Scepterr> battery and usb hub upgrade next week :)
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[8:01] <Aterlatus> Dare I wonder what percentage of current pi users are electrical/electronic engineers. Hrmmmm.
[8:01] <Milos> hmmmmm
[8:01] <Aterlatus> Because the use of lego at every opportunity suggests they are.
[8:01] <Milos> lol
[8:01] <dipstick> lol
[8:01] <Scepterr> motors are coming monday :)
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[8:01] * dipstick will be in about a year
[8:01] <TechJeeper> < just a lonely Windows administrator, le'sigh
[8:01] <Milos> is it going to go vroom
[8:02] <Aterlatus> Likewise dipstick, although technically I could be in two days....
[8:02] <rasp8aa> Aterlatus: I though it suggested they were children
[8:02] <Milos> I'm a software engineering student, I write codez
[8:02] <rasp8aa> *thought
[8:02] <Scepterr> Milos: it will
[8:02] <Scepterr> on lego motor but still
[8:02] <Aterlatus> Three years of a masters in electrical & electronic done. If I decided to bail, they'd let me have the BEng Hons. lol
[8:02] <Milos> lol, so what's the actual purpose? does it drive around
[8:02] <TechJeeper> Im a software engineers worst enemy :P "No you cant have admin rights" lol
[8:02] <dipstick> I'm going to college in a couple weeks for electrical engineer.
[8:02] <Milos> you're going to have plenty fun
[8:03] <Milos> know your boolean logic!
[8:03] <Aterlatus> Ahhh buggery. Gonna have to sync emerge methinks. It's been 15 months. lol
[8:03] <Skrotus> false
[8:03] <Scepterr> gonna control it with this http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/EZ430-Chronos
[8:03] <dipstick> I already do it as a hobby and know alot of it.
[8:03] <Milos> Aterlatus, that is sickening :(
[8:04] <dipstick> I'll get to play with a scilicope or however you spell it.
[8:04] <Aterlatus> It's the laptop I don't use anymore. Wife has polluted it with a years worth of spyware and kids spilling drinks on it...
[8:04] <Milos> you know alot of it? http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.co.nz/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
[8:04] <Aterlatus> I've got my own sillyscope.....
[8:04] <Scepterr> need more rpis ;/
[8:04] <TechJeeper> so.... whats the deal with the pickyness of sdcards
[8:04] <dipstick> ok, maby not a lot but it's quite abit.
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[8:04] <boobies> whats up guys
[8:05] <Aterlatus> The menu bar.
[8:05] <Milos> roof
[8:05] <Milos> apparently
[8:05] <Milos> airwaves
[8:05] <dipstick> my dipstick
[8:05] <Milos> dem 3Gs
[8:05] <Scepterr> is there any target date for more rpi inventory ?
[8:05] <Aterlatus> They're omnipotent. :o
[8:05] <Milos> I bought another rpi
[8:05] <TechJeeper> Scepterr, best just put a pre-order in if you havnt already
[8:05] <Milos> they said 3 months
[8:06] <Milos> I was like, sweet.
[8:06] <Aterlatus> I might get another. Got a code off RS.
[8:06] <rasp8aa> Scepterr: continuous
[8:06] <Milos> Scepterr: discrete
[8:06] <dipstick> I hope to have mine in a week and a half.
[8:06] <rasp8aa> there are no more batches
[8:06] <Milos> I read that as a dirty word
[8:06] <TechJeeper> <3 split inputs on my monitor, half pc, half raspbpi :P
[8:06] <Scepterr> ordered mine in march got it a few days ago
[8:06] <Aterlatus> I agree. RPi supply has to be discrete. If it was continuous we would've had them since the dawn of time...
[8:06] <rasp8aa> TechJeeper: get a switch
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[8:07] <Milos> a dipswitch
[8:07] <boobies> have the 2nd batch of raspi been finished yet?
[8:07] <Milos> it switches dips
[8:07] <Milos> not sure boobies
[8:07] <TechJeeper> I wonder if there will be any revisions..
[8:07] <Aterlatus> It's alright, the dodgy Chinese clones will be out in a few months.
[8:07] <Milos> I bet they will
[8:07] <dipstick> I ordered mine on march 3rd >.<
[8:07] <Scepterr> would love more ram
[8:07] <Milos> in fact
[8:07] <Milos> they will probably add more ram
[8:08] <Milos> I really hope they make an expensive batch, like Model C
[8:08] <Milos> with 1GB RAM, 2GHz processor et cetera
[8:08] <Milos> for people who want to pay more
[8:08] <Aterlatus> Yeah but it doesn't count when they just sellotape an old stick of laptop ram to the bottom.
[8:08] <Milos> I don't really mind a high price, if it works a lot better
[8:08] <Milos> their initial idea about kids at school etc that's fine
[8:08] <Milos> but they should make one for power userss
[8:08] <rasp8aa> Milos: It won't have anywhere near the same level of support as the pi
[8:08] <Aterlatus> There's competition in that market though...
[8:09] <rasp8aa> the best thing about the pi is the popularity
[8:09] <Scepterr> 1GB, 1ghz dual core @ $50 would be nice
[8:09] <boobies> where can i order a raspi from; does anyone have a link
[8:09] <reider59> second that rasp
[8:09] <Milos> boobies, two places
[8:09] <rasp8aa> ebay
[8:09] <Milos> lol ebay
[8:09] <Milos> buy it from a certified retalier
[8:09] <boobies> how bad do they mark up on ebay
[8:09] <Milos> go look
[8:09] <Scepterr> cant "buy" it from anybody certified atm
[8:10] <Milos> pre-order, then
[8:10] <Aterlatus> I won't - would be too tempting to use that RS code and that ain't fair. :P
[8:10] <Milos> bloody windows 8 install overwrote my grub bootloader
[8:10] <Aterlatus> Windows anything install normally overwrites grub. :(
[8:10] <TechJeeper> dont bother with win8....
[8:10] <Scepterr> Aterlatus: ill give you $5 :p
[8:10] <Milos> :(
[8:11] <Aterlatus> I once had gentoo booting from the windows bootloader just to get around it.
[8:11] <TechJeeper> seriously, unless you are one of 5 people who have a windows tablet, stay far away lol
[8:11] <TechJeeper> metro just pisses me off
[8:11] <Milos> it's not that bad >_>
[8:11] <TechJeeper> yes, it is
[8:11] <Aterlatus> I'm sitting on 7 until they drop support - should be around 2020.
[8:11] <TechJeeper> it wasnt that bad when you could enable the classic start menu
[8:11] <Milos> well, you can have your opiunion and I can have mine
[8:12] <TechJeeper> but they are shoving metro down our throats
[8:12] <dipstick> I have a the beta win8, never booted it.
[8:12] <Milos> like prostitutes!
[8:12] <Skrotus> it's like android, it'll probably be alright on a tablet or phone but you wouldn't install it on a real computer
[8:12] <TechJeeper> wait till you see Server 2012
[8:12] <Milos> lol it's full of metro
[8:12] <Milos> I have it installed as well
[8:12] <TechJeeper> I should NOT have to dick with Metro for server 2012
[8:12] <Aterlatus> I might finally upgrade my MCSE for 2012. lol
[8:12] <Milos> \o/
[8:12] <Milos> I wonder if some hacker will get win8 ARM working on the rpi, and if so, then it will be the slowest PoS ever
[8:13] <Aterlatus> Got it in windows 2000 around 2002, then started working for the training company maintaining linux servers. Go figure.
[8:13] <TechJeeper> i just hate running something windowed, clicking the "start" button (bottom left corner, not actually a button) and having my entire freakin window fill up with usless squares
[8:13] <TechJeeper> seems counter-productive
[8:13] <rasp8aa> Milos, nope, never. microsoft are only issuing licences to devices with locked bootloaders
[8:13] <Baneat> sounds like GNOME
[8:13] <dipstick> dafuq? metro on a frakkin server!?
[8:13] <TechJeeper> yup
[8:13] <Milos> rasp8aa, hmm ok
[8:13] <Milos> rasp8aa, I'll come back to you if it happens!
[8:13] <Milos> :P
[8:14] <dipstick> wth MS?
[8:14] <TechJeeper> indeed
[8:14] <dipstick> no thanks, I'll stick with linux :3
[8:14] <TechJeeper> its for "remote managment using tablet devices"
[8:14] <TechJeeper> fuck that lol
[8:14] <rasp8aa> so you'll never be able to side-load windows 8 arm on any device, it can only ever come pre-installed, and even then on a device of microsofts approval
[8:14] <dipstick> oh lordy
[8:14] <Aterlatus> rasp: Since when did people need a license to do something with MS software?
[8:14] <dipstick> "remote management"
[8:14] * ChanServ sets mode +o ShiftPlusOne
[8:14] <rasp8aa> Aterlatus: Less of a license and more of a key
[8:14] * TechJeeper was kicked from #raspberrypi by ShiftPlusOne
[8:14] <dipstick> hello!? vnc!
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[8:15] <TechJeeper> got kicked :(
[8:15] <Milos> probably swearing
[8:15] <rasp8aa> indeed
[8:15] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, keep it pg
[8:15] <TechJeeper> sorry bout that
[8:15] <ShiftPlusOne> dw, everyone does it anyway >=/
[8:16] <TechJeeper> I was sad, I had really high hopes for Svr2012, you have the ability to turn the GUI on/off (think Startx)
[8:16] <dipstick> yay, my fav BSG curse word is pg :) xD
[8:16] <Milos> ShiftPlusOne, if I may suggest, warning the user before doing something like that.
[8:16] <rasp8aa> it's not pg
[8:16] <TechJeeper> or saying more then "no"
[8:16] <rasp8aa> it's pg13
[8:16] <TechJeeper> :P
[8:16] <dipstick> close enough :P
[8:16] <rasp8aa> and cursing is allowed within pg-13, under MPAA guidelines
[8:16] <Milos> ShiftPlusOne, seems godlike and condescending otherwise.
[8:17] <Aterlatus> TechJeeper: Server '08 could be installed without a GUI iirc?
[8:17] <Scepterr> heh happen to be setting up a server 08 domain atm
[8:18] <TechJeeper> Aterlatus, Server 2008 "Core Edition" was GUI-less but you didnt have the option to add/remove the "GUI Role"
[8:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Milos, noted.
[8:18] <Milos> :)
[8:18] <Baneat> so windows 8 only runs on motherboards with windows 8 locked into it?
[8:18] <Aterlatus> I only ever had a quick tinker with a freebie version. Only used linux on my servers as far back as I want to remember.
[8:18] <Milos> wat
[8:18] <rasp8aa> Baneat: windows 8 arm
[8:18] <TechJeeper> In 2012, there is a PS3.0 command to start/stop the GUI on the fly
[8:18] <Baneat> all right
[8:19] <rasp8aa> windows 8 arm and windows 8 are completely different
[8:19] <Scepterr> anybody got a handy kiosk user gpo template handy :)
[8:19] <dipstick> I tried server 08 in a vm, didn't like it.
[8:19] <TechJeeper> I love 2008R2
[8:19] <TechJeeper> We pry wont migrate off that for a few years
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[8:20] <TechJeeper> < runs Linux on his personal serves, Windows at work (government employee, money is no object, mwhahaha)
[8:20] <Milos> serves
[8:20] <Milos> like soft-serves?
[8:20] <Milos> ice-cream?
[8:20] <TechJeeper> servers :P
[8:21] <Milos> :P
[8:21] <dipstick> windows server, a hacker's playground.
[8:21] <TechJeeper> making it hard to keep it PG there Milos :P
[8:21] <Milos> tough ;)
[8:21] <Skrotus> do you run windows because money is no object, or because government regulation mandates it?
[8:21] <TechJeeper> not if your infrastructure is done right dipstick :P
[8:22] <dipstick> in most cases its not
[8:22] <TechJeeper> Skrotus, there are more linux servers in our infrastructure then *nix
[8:22] <reider59> govt lol, the people who work for us but carry on like they work for themselves and we work for them
[8:22] <TechJeeper> windows*
[8:22] <Skrotus> I see
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[8:22] <dipstick> I do like the domain based central login thingie on windows. not sure how to do it on linux.
[8:22] <TechJeeper> grrr, more *nix then Windows
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[8:23] * TechJeeper wishes he could get this blasted bluetooth dongle working on his pi
[8:23] <Aterlatus> I can no doubt make you all cry when it comes to servers....
[8:24] <Aterlatus> Last place I worked, before I started there, had got themselves a Mac server.
[8:24] * Aterlatus holds back the puke
[8:24] <dipstick> oh lordy
[8:24] <Aterlatus> It was quite a funny little box really. They charge you WAY over the odds for open source software.
[8:24] <Aterlatus> All the services were open source. Samba fileshares, apache webserver......
[8:24] <TechJeeper> My college has a mac server, but no one knows what its for LOL, its just running, plugged in
[8:25] <dipstick> 4k in gear for something a 200 dollar intel box can do?
[8:25] <Aterlatus> They had to wait 3 months from order to actually receive the server too. It kept getting shipped all round the world. CPU fitted in Japan, RAM fitted in Brazil, an HDD from Netherlands... rofl
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[8:25] <dipstick> rofl
[8:26] <dipstick> they don't have a local warehouse with parts?
[8:27] <Aterlatus> Seems not. It is Apple we're talking though. They put it on a ??100 flight and charge you ??250.
[8:27] <dipstick> well, we can blame globel warming on apple it seems.
[8:28] <TechJeeper> has anyone had sucess with a BT mouse/keyboard combo on their pi in debian
[8:28] <Aterlatus> Nope, but that's because I haven't tried.
[8:28] <Aterlatus> Although I am using a logitech wireless mouse on it fine and dandy.
[8:28] <dipstick> I have a BT mouse on mint on my netbook :D
[8:28] <TechJeeper> I have a nice compact combo from my tab and would love to be able to use it
[8:29] <dipstick> wait. no. all my bt mice keep dying after 6 months.
[8:29] <dipstick> it's just a normal wireless one.
[8:29] <TechJeeper> it sees the dongle but when i go to enable it, gives me a rather unique error that is non-existant on Google lol
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[8:30] <Aterlatus> I love those errors. Honest.
[8:30] <TechJeeper> im going to try to pair it solely from the terminal
[8:30] <dipstick> not enough docs on the pi for google to be much help I'm afraid.
[8:30] <Aterlatus> Plenty of docs on Debain though. :P
[8:30] <TechJeeper> yea
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[8:30] <TechJeeper> I want Fedora to mature... thats what I run on my laptop
[8:31] <dipstick> I'll laugh if it's arm related.
[8:31] <Aterlatus> If I had more patience I'd get gentoo working nice and smooth on the pi for the average numpty so it could become the dominant distro. Too bad I'm an impatient little git.
[8:32] <TechJeeper> What power adapter is everyone running... I had a hard time finding anything over 1amp
[8:33] <dipstick> didja try amazon?
[8:33] <TechJeeper> *locally lol
[8:33] <TechJeeper> 1A seems to work... for no
[8:33] <TechJeeper> now*
[8:33] <Aterlatus> I've got it plugged into the side of my TV... lol
[8:33] <TechJeeper> hmmm
[8:33] <TechJeeper> you know, thats a good idea..
[8:33] <dipstick> I'ma use my 12v 2amp, 5v 2amp brick for now.
[8:33] <dipstick> lol Aterlatus
[8:34] <TechJeeper> it work?
[8:34] <dipstick> I could totally do that
[8:34] <Aterlatus> So far.
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[8:34] <dipstick> put that usb service port to good use.
[8:34] <TechJeeper> hmmmm, I will have to try, thanks for the idea, its already hooked up to the tvs HDMI
[8:34] <Aterlatus> But not run anything more than the mouse/keyboard off the USB.
[8:34] <TechJeeper> See, I am wondering if thats my "bluetooth power" issue...
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[8:35] <Aterlatus> Not got a phone charger you can lob on it to try? They're normally at least an amp.
[8:35] <TechJeeper> Im using a 1A phone charger right now
[8:35] <dipstick> bluetooth does require more power ...
[8:35] <Aterlatus> I've got half a dozen....somewhere....
[8:35] <TechJeeper> and that was for my Galaxy Tab 10.1
[8:36] <TechJeeper> all my "phone" chargers are 500mA-750mA
[8:36] <TechJeeper> Might run to Radio(s)Hack tommorow...
[8:37] <dipstick> I can't find hardly didly for any kind of "non-standard" gear locally.
[8:37] <Aterlatus> Oh well there's your problem right there. You yanks and your wannabe 110V.
[8:37] <dipstick> local comp shops are useless.
[8:38] <dipstick> Aterlatus: what does that have to do with high power 5v bricks?
[8:38] <Aterlatus> Nothing, I just like picking on the inferior northern american power supply.
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[8:38] <dipstick> lol
[8:39] <dipstick> I agree, it is rather wank. funny number that picked.
[8:39] <dipstick> lower voltage, more current. current kills.
[8:39] <Aterlatus> Yes and no - current isn't controlled directly. It depends on the resistance. Higher voltage, same resistance gives more current...
[8:40] <Aterlatus> But higher current does equate to higher losses.
[8:40] <Aterlatus> That's why it's blasted across the country at several hundreds of kV - low current, low loss.
[8:40] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps!
[8:41] <dipstick> how high is yours distributed at?
[8:41] <Aterlatus> 415kV nationally, 25/11kV locally.
[8:41] <Aterlatus> iirc
[8:41] <Aterlatus> It's thereabouts anyway.
[8:41] <dipstick> mmm
[8:42] <dipstick> our house supply run at 2 120v lines.
[8:43] <Aterlatus> Ours is a single 220-240.
[8:43] <dipstick> idk why people seem to think it's 110
[8:43] <Aterlatus> You still have 220 for electric ovens and the like, right?
[8:43] <Ben64> its usually between 110 and 120
[8:43] <Aterlatus> Think it's because most appliances run off a single 110. ;)
[8:43] <dipstick> ya
[8:44] <Aterlatus> If only you could switch to use 220-240 like the rest of us - wouldn't even need to change your infrastructure.
[8:44] <dipstick> ovens, dryers, ... use 240
[8:44] <Aterlatus> Might be a bit expensive replacing bloody everything you plug into the wall though. lol
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[8:44] <dipstick> 2 hot wires
[8:44] <Aterlatus> I assume one +110, one -110.
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[8:44] <gordonDrogon> Ah, we're talking US vs. UK power systems :)
[8:44] <Aterlatus> Kind of anyway....
[8:44] <Ben64> my outlet is 118.3V
[8:44] <TechJeeper> hciconfig hci0 up Can't init device hci0: Connection timed out (110)
[8:44] <TechJeeper> blasted
[8:45] <Aterlatus> Essentially two-phase, with line-line being 240, line-ground 120. Hrmmm. That's got me wondering now. lol
[8:45] <dipstick> you got a wire on each 120v wire from the box.
[8:45] <dipstick> yar
[8:45] <dipstick> you are correct
[8:45] <dipstick> 2 phase
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[8:46] <Aterlatus> Yeah, that'd work, if they're offset 180 degrees. There'll be a single 240V sinusoid between them.
[8:46] <dipstick> we do have 480v 4 phase motors in factories I belive.
[8:47] <gordonDrogon> well I have to feed a part of 100 this afternoon, so I'd best get going. laters!
[8:47] <Aterlatus> God I hate AC theory. Why the hell am I choosing to do a module on power system modelling and control next year? lol
[8:47] <dipstick> lol
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[8:52] <TechJeeper> hmmm
[8:52] <TechJeeper> is it possible to set a series of USB connections up, keeping the same voltage, but raising amps...
[8:53] <dipstick> parallel
[8:53] <dipstick> in series, + to - to + adds voltage
[8:54] <dipstick> parallel, + to + and - to - adds current.
[8:54] <dipstick> why would you do that when you can just tap directly into the psu?
[8:55] <Aterlatus> I'd be careful with that - if the two supplies aren't using floating grounds (rather ground on the DC side connects to ground on the AC side) then you'll let the magic smoke out putting - of one supply to + of the next. lol
[8:56] <dipstick> floating grounds?
[8:56] <TechJeeper> Well I have a double ended mini-usb cable, for an old portable HD
[8:56] <Aterlatus> Yeah - floating ground just refers to the DC ground not being relative to AC ground.
[8:56] <TechJeeper> if I could get a Mini/Micro converter I could possibly turn the 2 1A connections on this charger to 2A
[8:57] <Aterlatus> I think if you've got a 1A supply on there you can rule out power as the cause of your issue. IIRC the pi's fused at 750mA?
[8:58] * dipstick thinks he ought to try a powered usb hub as a test.
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[9:01] <TechJeeper> hmm
[9:01] <TechJeeper> maybe I will nab my USB hub I use at work
[9:02] <TechJeeper> its getting frusterating :P if the OS can see the BT dongle, it seems like it should be able to start it, instead of timing out >.<
[9:02] <dipstick> try putting the dongle on the hub
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[9:03] <TechJeeper> One other "stupid noob" question, anyone tried the fedora build?
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[9:03] * dipstick spits on fedora
[9:04] <Baneat> Not yet :/
[9:04] <Baneat> Still can't get it to reliably power my ethernet or keyboard
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[9:05] <TechJeeper> i tried to use their "card creator" and it makes one large partition, rasp wont even boot with it i
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[9:05] <TechJeeper> in
[9:05] <Baneat> what OS are you using atm?
[9:05] <TechJeeper> I have a card with Debian
[9:06] <dipstick> how big is the card?
[9:06] <TechJeeper> 16
[9:07] <dipstick> also, I'm going to assume the "card creator" is for x86, no? then ofc it won't work >.>
[9:07] <TechJeeper> I have a 4g SanDisk (verified good on the wiki) that Im trying to put the fedora on
[9:07] <TechJeeper> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions its the "Windows Installer" on that page
[9:08] <Baneat> ohh
[9:08] <Baneat> no
[9:08] <Baneat> use um
[9:08] <Baneat> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/102917339/win32diskimager-binary.zip
[9:08] <Baneat> if you're on windows
[9:08] <dipstick> the pi requires it's fw to be on the card in order to even run.
[9:08] <Baneat> also you're gonna need to format your card again
[9:09] <Aterlatus> Is the process of creating an install from scratch documented anywhere?
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[9:13] <Aterlatus> Because it's stuff like getting the right firmware in the right place that's putting me off creating my own gentoo. :P
[9:13] <techman2> anyone had problems with arch image not giving output to screen?
[9:14] * dipstick facepalms
[9:15] <reider59> Was OK here but took it off again cos I preferred Debian
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[9:16] <TechJeeper> so is that 100m partition at the begining of the SD card the firmware or something?
[9:17] <TechJeeper> when you apply the debian image
[9:17] <Aterlatus> It's a FAT partition that contains the firmware, as far as I can tell.
[9:18] * dipstick is sleepy
[9:18] <reider59> think its 75 in Debian but I formatted on my camera between Arch and Debian then used Diskpart to ensure all partitions were gone before flashing Debian
[9:18] <techman2> fixed
[9:18] <techman2> took hdmi_mode=19 out of config.txt
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[9:24] <TechJeeper> Just noticed Hexxeh is in here, heh, cool. Awesome work on the ChromeOS stuff if you happen to see this.
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[9:30] <reider59> Just looking at some Fedora Remix 17 stuff. One download for Pi+XFCE and the other just for the Raspberry Pi but both state; Write with xzcat file.xz > /dev/mmcblkX, put in the device, and you're ready to go. Boots to X GUI. Can anyone tell me what that means? I deduce I cannot just use the Fedora Arm Installer and put it on the SD Card as usual?
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[9:31] <Baneat> Does anyone know where the 25MHz oscilator crystal is on the board?
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[9:32] <reider59> xzcat = data compression? Cannot just use WinRar or Winzip?
[9:33] <reider59> ahhh use it as an argument in the decompression maybe
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[9:37] <Ben64> Baneat: couldn't you just look at the board and see?
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[9:37] <Baneat> yeah it's actually labelled 25MHz
[9:37] <Baneat> apparently it can be defective and stop your usb or ethernet from working
[9:38] <Ben64> then why were you asking where it is
[9:38] <Baneat> to see if I scraped it or something
[9:39] <Ben64> i mean you can just check a pic http://elinux.org/images/b/b8/Raspberry-pi-bottom.jpg
[9:43] <TechJeeper> reider59: was trying to figure the same thing out myself... it dosnt seem to partition the disk right when you use the arm installer for 14, its one big parition.
[9:43] <Baneat> have you tried a different installer?
[9:43] <TechJeeper> yea
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[9:44] <TechJeeper> its an img.xz file, not sure if that makes a differance
[9:44] <reider59> looks like you get the XZ program (similar to WinRAR etc). Set it to write the file using the xz > /dev/mmcblkX argument, then I guess load that image on the SD Card
[9:45] <dipstick> is it a proper disk image?
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[9:45] <TechJeeper> yay for Hexxehs rpi-udpate :P amazing stuffz
[9:45] <TechJeeper> dipstick, im not sure
[9:46] <reider59> no idea, just this second downloaded the XFCE file, just downloading the RPi one with no XFCE
[9:46] <reider59> I think it has to be extracted with the argument prior to using it
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[9:56] <reider59> 7zip is extracting it but something odd, the XFCE is 800-900mb and the RPi only one is only 130mb?? Unless its the compression (doubtful)
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[9:56] <reider59> got one ready to put on SD
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[9:59] <tero_> crap
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[9:59] <tero_> i guess i bought wrong wifi card
[9:59] <tero_> no matter what i do I can't get it to work on r-pi
[9:59] <tero_> :(
[10:00] <reider59> I got an Edimax 7800UN couple of days ago, used an auto script to install it
[10:00] <tero_> ralink drivers don't work
[10:00] <reider59> works a treat direct from the RPi USB Port
[10:01] <reider59> cheap too
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[10:06] <the_cuckoo> my pi's just gone solar :p
[10:07] <reider59> lol the image size of the Fedora 17 RPi only is about 1.7 gig but the size of the Fedora 17 XFCE image file is 3.5 gig
[10:07] <reider59> testing the RPi only version in a few mins
[10:10] <Baneat> there's F17 for rpi? I thought it was 14
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[10:12] <reider59> think its beta and not supported
[10:13] <reider59> worth a try on a spare SD Card though
[10:14] <reider59> got to speculate to accumulate ;-)
[10:15] <reider59> its accepted the image and installing, anything could or could not happen lol
[10:15] <Baneat> why is the xfce so large?
[10:16] <reider59> no idea, seems a little iffy comared to the other one but I`ll check that one last
[10:16] <reider59> *compared
[10:16] <Baneat> what that xfce for rpi or for desktop
[10:16] <Baneat> cause my fedora desktop was like 700mb nowhere near that large
[10:17] <reider59> both are for RPi but one is Fedora 17 only and the other is Fedora 17 XFCE
[10:17] <Baneat> ah
[10:17] <Baneat> Isn't that ironic considering xfce is supposed to be lightweight?
[10:18] <reider59> RPi only was 130mb and extracted to 1.7gig? whereas XFCE was 800-900mb and extracted to 3.5gig
[10:18] <reider59> might be more apps on it
[10:19] <reider59> slow install, I`ll just let it continue, need a razz just now, screen still moving
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[10:19] <tzarc> depends on the packages, I can get a minimal debian to 20MB
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[10:20] <Baneat> okay; I heard that people who have issues with their USB and ethernet have defective 25mhz crystals
[10:21] <Baneat> people fixed it by placing a current across it
[10:21] <Baneat> so I put my fingers on the solder points and now.. my rpi works
[10:21] <reider59> dry solder joints?
[10:22] <Baneat> yes
[10:22] <reider59> just resolder
[10:22] <reider59> carefully and don`t overheat
[10:22] <Baneat> I fixed it using the current from my fingers
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ...
[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> All hail Electricity Man.
[10:23] <reider59> or send back and wait
[10:23] <Baneat> it works..
[10:23] <reider59> hey their was a guy on tv holding live wires
[10:23] <Skrotus> you might not want to keep your fingers there indefinitely though
[10:24] <Baneat> nah all I had to do was touch it and start it up
[10:24] <Baneat> and now it works all the time
[10:24] <reider59> some uni was checking his claims and meter testing him lol
[10:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Get James Randi on that.
[10:24] <reider59> oh shit, black screen, just wait
[10:24] <Baneat> Isn't that why when you put your finger on a headphone jack noise is heard?
[10:24] <reider59> clicked mouse, heart in mouth, and screen back on
[10:25] <Baneat> fell asleep?
[10:25] <reider59> slowwwwwwwww install
[10:25] <Skrotus> I can't hear anything
[10:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Baneat, not exactly. Try that with regular headphones (without a power source)
[10:25] <Baneat> oh I was doing it to an amped source, why does it interfere?
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd imagine it's because there is a very tiny voltage associated with your body that's different from the amp's ground, so it picks it up as a signal and amplifies it. However, I just made that up, so it's worth checking.
[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> And that explanation doesn't sound right to me, btw.
[10:28] <reider59> I`m a millionaire and loaded, however I just made that up so its not worth checking, today it could be me if I buy a ticket that is lol
[10:29] <Baneat> what happens when you put your fingers between oscilloscope terminals then?
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[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Baneat, with amplification, you'll see your heart beat... or electrocute yourself.
[10:30] <reider59> I was moving an electrical socket away from a pipe. Converting an old heating system blank plate to a live socket. I accidentally touched the wires and know how that feels lol
[10:31] <ShiftPlusOne> that's how an EEG works.
[10:31] <ShiftPlusOne> not eeg... the heart one.
[10:31] <reider59> only done that twice, last time was a light socket and hoping not to repeat it
[10:31] <tzarc> this is why optoisolators were invented :P
[10:31] <Baneat> Well I built a heart rate monitor and it used the pressure change induced by the pumping of the blood passed through an electret microphone
[10:32] <ShiftPlusOne> ECG.... close.
[10:32] <reider59> its a bit of a so and so, you get an electric shock and go to the hospital so they can shock you again to regulate the system lol
[10:32] <Baneat> power on power off
[10:33] <reider59> woo hoo, screen is moving quick now it finished probing???
[10:33] <reider59> can of coke time, this is (I guess) like having a baby
[10:34] <reider59> is it going to be still born? got all its moving parts, will it work lol?
[10:35] <reider59> hate installs
[10:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Baneat, So it seems the buzzing you get when you touch an amp's input is more to do with the 50/60Hz mains signal and impedence and other stuff I'd have to think about more to understand properly.
[10:35] <Baneat> heh, I always thought your skin would produce a signal which could be amped to a noticable level
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[10:37] <reider59> it just said on the screen (not spoke lol) password is fedoraarm so I made a note of that, never mentioned login name but I have a few to try if it gets that fare
[10:37] <reider59> *far
[10:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Baneat, well, yeah and you'd get the ECG signal (with a lot of noise). But as tzarc said, without optocouplers it's very dangerous.
[10:38] <Baneat> Where's the danger?
[10:38] <Baneat> I have a headphone amp by the way, it's not very powerful
[10:38] <reider59> starting the SSH Server, looking good so far
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[10:39] <reider59> think the login is normally root/root on Fedora isn`t it?
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[10:41] <dls-bob> anybody got a 3G dongle working with their Pi yet?
[10:41] <ShiftPlusOne> dls-bob, yeah, make sure your kernel has serial over usb enabled and you have a powered hub.
[10:41] <dls-bob> oh cool. how to i check that serial over usb is enabled?
[10:42] <ShiftPlusOne> dls-bob, hang on, I'll find it.
[10:42] <ShiftPlusOne> dls-bob, what's the modem you're using?
[10:43] <ShiftPlusOne> (run lsusb)
[10:44] <ShiftPlusOne> and check dmesg after plugging it in, maybe it 'just works'. I don't know what's in the official kernel and what isn't.
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[10:45] <ShiftPlusOne> and also 'zcat /proc/config.gz | grep USB_SERIAL'
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[10:45] <dls-bob> I think it's a Huawei K3770
[10:45] <dls-bob> with vodafone
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[10:47] <ShiftPlusOne> can you pastebin the output of 'zcat /proc/config.gz | grep USB_SERIAL' ?
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[10:50] <dls-bob> sure. sorry I was just trying to figure out what the dmesg thing was
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[10:51] <ShiftPlusOne> dmesg shows all the interesting background stuff the kernel does. So if a usb device is connected and recognise you'll see it in dmesg.
[10:51] <Dagger2> (there's a `zgrep`)
[10:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nice
[10:52] <ShiftPlusOne> 'zgrep USB_SERIAL /proc/config.gz' =)
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[10:52] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought you were talking about the cat quadcopter there for a second.
[10:52] <dls-bob> on it's way..
[10:53] <Dagger2> that too, but I'm pretty sure just about everyone's seen that already, so I wouldn't bother linking it
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[10:54] <ShiftPlusOne> lol
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[10:56] <dls-bob> http://pastebin.com/bjbSV1yr (thank you)
[10:56] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that looks good
[10:56] <ShiftPlusOne> could you plug it in through a powered hub and post the output of dmesg?
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[10:57] <dls-bob> sure, thanks
[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> (give it a few seconds after plugging it in before running dmesg, to let it do its' thing)
[10:58] <dls-bob> all of the dmesg?
[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> dls-bob, the last 50 lines or so
[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Dagger2, *its
[11:00] <Milos> anyone know what the read/write pi controller limitation is
[11:00] <Milos> for SD
[11:00] <Milos> why is it not documented _anywhere_
[11:00] <dls-bob> http://pastebin.com/kzccaFwr for dmseg (thanks)
[11:00] <Dagger2> ShiftPlusOne: thank you ;)
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> oh.. a composite device =(
[11:01] <Milos> hey I can help with that
[11:01] <Milos> I have a vodafone ZTE device running on 3G just fine
[11:01] <Milos> what's the problem
[11:01] <Milos> ?
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know how to deal with composite 3g modems.
[11:01] <Milos> you mean
[11:01] <Milos> usb_modeswitch?
[11:01] <Milos> :)
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> doh
[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[11:01] <Milos> so install usb_modeswitch if it isn't already
[11:01] <Milos> it has to run in udev
[11:01] <Milos> it will flip the device from storage to 3G
[11:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Milos, did you need to follow this? http://digitalgotcha.blogspot.com.au/2011/11/get-vodafone-3g-dongle-huawei-k3770.html I think dls-bob might have to.
[11:02] <Milos> nope, I've been using 3G on linux for a long time
[11:02] <Milos> I know the procedures
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[11:02] <Milos> what OS is it?
[11:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Milos, did you need to edit /etc/usb_modeswitch.conf though?
[11:03] <Milos> you need the option module and cdc_acm depending on the device
[11:03] <Milos> nope
[11:03] <Milos> my modem was supported
[11:03] <Milos> is his nwer?
[11:03] <Milos> newer, rather
[11:04] <ShiftPlusOne> K3770
[11:04] <dls-bob> Thanks for the article, i'll have a read through
[11:04] <Milos> oh I see.
[11:04] * Milos checks his config file
[11:05] <Milos> ShiftPlusOne, it's already in mine :)
[11:05] <Milos> I have usb_modeswitch 3.2.1
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, great
[11:05] <Milos> if you're on debian it probably pulls on some crappy outdated package
[11:05] <Milos> dls-bob, what OS?
[11:06] <dls-bob> Debian
[11:06] <dls-bob> cant apt-get usb_modeswitch, gunna have to find it somewhere
[11:07] <Milos> not supported on arm?
[11:07] <Milos> if you can't find an arm binary you'll have to compile from scratch which is a pain sometimes, if you have dependencies
[11:07] <ShiftPlusOne> it's available on arch
[11:07] <Milos> but it's definitely supported in the latest version
[11:07] <Milos> one serious thing to note
[11:07] <Milos> I pulled a lot of hair trying to get mine to work on the pi, completely unrelated to this, but I forgot the pi doesn't supply enough power
[11:08] <Milos> so make sure you have a USB Y-cable and you have another host to plug the power bit in
[11:08] <Milos> or a hub
[11:08] <dls-bob> ok, thanks very much
[11:08] <Milos> no problem I'm here all evening if you get stuck, I'll try give you some advice
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[11:12] <Baneat> has anyone been able to get totally stable 1080p x264 playback?
[11:12] <Baneat> mine stutters at the fast scenes pretty bad
[11:12] <Milos> :(
[11:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't done any extensive testing, but it seemed to work fine. Are you using xbmc or omxplayer or something like that?
[11:13] <Baneat> OpenELEC
[11:13] <Baneat> like if an explosion happens it just poos its pants
[11:13] <Milos> it should be fine considering half the population want to use it as a media server, not sure why
[11:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Should be fine. But have you tried omxplayer?
[11:13] <Baneat> isn't that what openELEC uses?
[11:13] <Baneat> or do I have to set it
[11:13] <Milos> explosions and rain, will do the same thing
[11:13] <Milos> anything with lots of noise
[11:13] <Baneat> yeah I get the theory
[11:14] <Baneat> so regular scenes run fine, just when there's a real strain at the movey shooty parts it's useless
[11:14] <Milos> I had the same issues but it was due to wifi being too slow for those scenes
[11:14] <Baneat> hm
[11:15] <Baneat> well.. I can't change my network physical configuration
[11:15] <Baneat> so I'll make do with 720 which works great
[11:15] <Milos> you're running it locally/off LAN?
[11:15] <Baneat> yeah SMB from this PC via wifi to the router, then to Pi using ethernet
[11:15] <Milos> erm
[11:15] <Baneat> but It'd run fine on a big PC
[11:16] <Baneat> I guess that just has a larger buffer
[11:16] <Milos> if you're sure it works fine from wifi to other PCs
[11:16] <Milos> then I'm not sure
[11:16] <Milos> otherwise there's your problem
[11:16] <Baneat> definitely does
[11:16] <Baneat> cause I swapped a big PC for this pi unit
[11:16] <Milos> ah right
[11:16] <Milos> what about the dongle though?
[11:16] <Milos> oh, oops
[11:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ben64: heard of Bricklink?
[11:16] <Baneat> all that's the same,
[11:17] <Milos> yep, I got confused sorry
[11:17] <Milos> I'm not sure then
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[11:17] <Baneat> not worried, over time I think they'll make it more efficient possibly and then it'll be smooth
[11:17] <Milos> it should be smooth, though
[11:18] <Milos> they are marketing it as being able to play full HD just fine
[11:18] <Milos> and what kind of movie doesn't have those high-bandwidth scenes
[11:19] <Milos> hey I have an idea
[11:19] <Milos> why don't you try adding more GPU memory?
[11:19] <Milos> you can swap the start.elf file
[11:19] <Milos> give it 128/128
[11:21] <Baneat> what did it have before?
[11:21] <Milos> 64MB / 192MB
[11:21] <Milos> (GPU / system RAM)
[11:22] <Baneat> Where is the buffer?
[11:22] <Milos> video buffer?
[11:22] <Baneat> Cause I can't sacrifice the buffer otherwise it'll start having to load extra information periodically
[11:22] <Baneat> Yeah the video buffer
[11:22] <Baneat> am I taking space from the video buffer?
[11:23] <Milos> it takes 1 second to changes this setting, and it will do more trying it than asking me
[11:23] <Milos> give it ago
[11:23] <Milos> if it's worse, change it back to 64/192
[11:23] <Milos> s/ago/a go/
[11:23] <Baneat> woth a shot, how do I edit the file? in a text editor?
[11:23] <Milos> nope it's even easier
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[11:23] <Milos> in your boot partition, just copy the 128 file to start.elf
[11:24] <Milos> overwrite the original
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[11:24] <Baneat> where do I get the 128 file from?
[11:24] <Milos> it's already there
[11:24] <Milos> in /boot
[11:24] <Baneat> all right
[11:24] <Milos> all three are
[11:24] <Milos> you just pick which one
[11:24] <Milos> default is 64/192
[11:24] <Baneat> afraid to turn this guy off just now because of how odd it is turning it back on
[11:24] <Baneat> but when it's off I'll switch it over
[11:24] <Milos> sure
[11:25] <Baneat> not sure if I got it on on a fluke or it's fixed; but I need it on the now
[11:25] <Milos> :)
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[11:26] <Milos> for your further information, Baneat: http://elinux.org/RPi_Advanced_Setup#Additional_files_supplied_by_the_foundation
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[11:27] <Baneat> cool
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[11:28] <Baneat> so this is the best configuration for a mcpc considering that's all it does
[11:28] <Milos> well, you will be the judge of that!
[11:29] <Milos> I have mine set on 224MB / 32MB because I would love to completely remove the GPU if I could
[11:29] <Milos> :P
[11:29] <Baneat> so what do you use yours for then?
[11:29] <Skrotus> yeah I'm running headless, wish I could just go 256/0
[11:29] <Milos> just a headless box connected to 3G, it will be part of a quadrocopter project controlled from a web browser
[11:30] <Baneat> like a UAV?
[11:30] <Milos> Skrotus, I know the feeling. Maybe some hacker will find a way to do something like that.
[11:30] <Milos> Yup UAV.
[11:30] <Baneat> sounds like a good project for a CS degree
[11:30] <Milos> Skrotus, I've wanted to compare the hex of those 3 start files but I never bothered, and I figured if it would lead to anything then someone would have done something.
[11:30] <Milos> Haha, well I'm doing software engineering.
[11:30] <Milos> bu this is not university-related.
[11:31] <Skrotus> I'm doing a bachelor of IT
[11:31] <Milos> wooo
[11:31] <Skrotus> want to transfer to CS though
[11:31] <Milos> do it, then!
[11:31] <Milos> if you don't like what you're doing, switch immediately
[11:31] <Milos> if you can ,that is
[11:31] <Skrotus> the local campus doesn't offer it, so I need to work out how I can afford to live in the city
[11:31] <Milos> ah right
[11:32] <Baneat> I want to switch to CS from Mech. Eng
[11:32] <Baneat> I think I will..
[11:32] <Milos> that's hardcore stuff
[11:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Milos, you can remove the GUI... just use omxplayer.
[11:32] <Milos> omxwat?
[11:32] <Milos> How can I "remove" the framebuffer?
[11:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Milos, remove the framebuffer? O_o
[11:33] <Milos> y
[11:33] <Milos> oops
[11:33] <Milos> I typed on the wrong keyboard
[11:33] <Milos> ShiftPlusOne, yeah, my question was I don't want any GPU memory being allocated, as I don't use the GPU, so therefore I don't need a console.
[11:33] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought you just wanted something like openelec/xbmc but without the fancy interface. nvrm >.>
[11:33] <Milos> Haha nope.
[11:34] <Milos> I don't think what I want is possible, at least not yet.
[11:35] <Milos> Is it just me, or is www.php.net down?
[11:35] <Milos> At least, the IP that that resolves to for me.
[11:35] <Dagger2> that sounds like a question for www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com
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[11:35] <Milos> Ah, of course.
[11:35] <Milos> what's the other one about the LHC
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[11:35] <Milos> www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheworldyet.com
[11:35] <Milos> nope not that one
[11:36] <Milos> ah here it is! http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
[11:37] <haltdef> I reckon it'll make all of us black out and flashforward 20 years
[11:37] <Milos> :P
[11:37] <Milos> oxygen, maybe it is poisonous but just takes about 80 years to kill us?
[11:37] <reider59> http://IFancyACurry.korma
[11:38] <Skrotus> I for one welcome the LHC apocalypse
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[11:38] <Milos> bu then you won't be doing CS
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[11:38] <Milos> you'd have got a masters in death
[11:38] <Skrotus> I don't think I'll mind though
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[11:39] <Baneat> is... this a discworld reference
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[11:42] <Milos> I'm not sure, I haven't read that
[11:42] <Baneat> Death in discworld is a big curry fan
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[11:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Interesting, compiling arduino just spontaneously rebooted my Pi
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[11:53] <reider59> anyone know how to start the GUI from the command line in Fedora Arm? I`m using the Fedora 17 beta, got logged in OK and will find out how but then if anyone has an idea, that is if the GUI is installed
[11:54] <ender|> if anybody wants, i have a minimal gentoo image for raspberry pi up: http://eternallybored.org/misc/raspberrypi/gentoo.img.xz - it's really minimal, just enough to boot and get an IP; no portage tree included either, as I mount that over NFS; root password is raspberry
[11:55] <Milos> maybe I need to do that
[11:55] <Milos> you have no idea how flippin long I have to wait for portage
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[11:58] <ShiftPlusOne> ender|, uclibc and busybox?
[11:58] <Milos> it ought to come with busybox if it's the arm stage3
[11:58] <ender|> ShiftPlusOne: no, standard. i started with stage3-armv6j_hardfp-20120427
[11:59] <Milos> yep
[11:59] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[11:59] <Milos> one thing that annoys me about that image is that lack of nano, I love nano! :(
[11:59] <Milos> by image I meant stage3
[12:00] <ender|> wow, i haven't noticed that
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[12:00] <Milos> and to install it you have to compile ncurses, which takes forever on the rpi
[12:00] <Milos> but with distcc it's better
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[12:00] <ender|> ok, i'll redo the image to include nano (and nfs-utils, which i also forgot)
[12:00] <Milos> ;)
[12:00] <ender|> distcc is included
[12:00] <Milos> ah good
[12:01] <Milos> it's really great because the one thing you'd never think about doing in the gentoo world is sharing your image with others because everyone has different hardware, but here, we all have the same hardware!
[12:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ender|, are you using crossdev of just cheating and copying binarieS?
[12:01] <ender|> crossdev
[12:01] <Milos> I'd love to copy binaries.
[12:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ender|, using the crossdev handbook?
[12:01] <Milos> I never managed to figure out how to wrap my emerge though
[12:02] <DaQatz> distcc + crossdev will break on some builds.
[12:02] <DaQatz> But generally works
[12:02] <ender|> ShiftPlusOne: not really - i've been using crossdev for a long time because i cross-compile some windows stuff
[12:02] <Milos> yeah but what are the odds of that
[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd love to use gentoo to replace buildroot, just didn't have much luck with with the tutorials and handbooks I've found. =(
[12:02] <Milos> =(
[12:02] <Milos> it's great once you get to know it!
[12:02] <Milos> you just gotta have faith
[12:03] <DaQatz> Gentoo's crosscompile guides are patchy
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[12:03] <DaQatz> !channel #rpi-gentoo
[12:03] <PiBot> DaQatz: #rpi-gentoo - Gentoo for the raspberry-pi.
[12:03] <Milos> well, they worked for me
[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> orly?
[12:03] <DaQatz> I get them to work too
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[12:04] <DaQatz> But I only use the guides as well a "guide" since I already generally know what I'm doing.
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[12:04] <DaQatz> Someone starting new with it...
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[12:04] <Milos> DaQatz, how the flip do we make a binary on a x86_64 machine for an arm system
[12:04] <Milos> using emerge
[12:04] <Milos> I don't understand that emerge wrapper stuff
[12:05] <Milos> it's sets about 10,000 envvars
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[12:05] <Milos> which seems counter-intuitive
[12:05] <DaQatz> It is counter-intuitive
[12:05] <Milos> yay
[12:05] <DaQatz> But the wrappers do most of the work for you
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[12:06] <DaQatz> And generally work
[12:09] <chancellorsmith> just got XBMC (openelec) going - I'm an old hand at xbmc (had it on xbox1 years ago)??? this is VERY impressive on the Pi, very.
[12:10] <chancellorsmith> Next step - throw some 1080 at her, see how she copes !
[12:11] <DaQatz> My 1080p tests went fine.
[12:11] <DaQatz> Subs made it stutter though
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[12:16] <hotwings> how is the osd response?
[12:18] <DaQatz> That is a bit sluggish
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[12:22] <reider59> Just putting XFCE Fed 17 on the SD Card to try (beta)
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[12:23] <reider59> might try that XMBC openelec later too
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[12:24] <Mike632T> reider59: Which OS image are you using - I tried installing XFCE on one of the unofficial wheezy images but it hung to pi just after displaying a panel dialog. No problems on squeeze though.
[12:24] <Mike632T> s/hung to/hung the/
[12:25] <Scottyob> wow.. big channel already, crazy. Just wondering with the GPIO pins if software PWM is good enough to drive 3 channels for RGB LED's
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[12:26] <reider59> I already have XFCE installed on Debian but on another SD Card I`m trying the beta of Fedora Remix 17, just had the Fedora Remix 17 non XFCE up and running on it to the command line
[12:26] <Mike632T> which version of debian (squeeze or wheezy)?
[12:27] <reider59> standard Debian version on the Raspberry Pi download page
[12:27] <Baneat> chancellor how's it going?
[12:28] <Baneat> I had xbmc on my xbox 1 as well and it was the coolest thing ever
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[12:28] <reider59> then added XFCE to it afterwards
[12:29] <reider59> <<< watching this install
[12:29] <Baneat> have fun!
[12:30] <Mike632T> squeeze then - I've got that working fine I found that I just needed x11-xserver-utils xfwm4 xfce4-panel xfce4-settings xfce4-session xfce4-terminal xfdesktop4 tango-icon-theme for a very minimal install added xfce4-utils xfce4-taskmanager leafpad thunar
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[12:30] <reider59> I just followed 4 steps in a rasp pi forum page link and XFCE was added
[12:31] <Mike632T> I like to keep my installations as light as possible (less is more)
[12:31] <reider59> works lovely, just that VNC still shows the standard Raspberry Pi desktop instead of XFCE
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[12:33] <reider59> my god, already got to a log in on this
[12:33] <reider59> much quicker than the last install so far
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[12:35] <SpeedEvil> Anyone aware of if anyones tried Pi with 64G SDXC?
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[12:36] <DaQatz> It doesn't do SDXC
[12:36] <DaQatz> Just SD and SDHC
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> Oh - the whole high-speed thing
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[12:38] <Elspuddy-pi> moring
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[12:42] <reider59> Fedora 17 beta for RPi, my verdict so far. CLI version for RPi is a longggggggg install. Buggy, login still buggy but possible. Size extracted about 1.7gig. Contrasted with the Fedora 17 beta for RPi with XFCE (desktop/gui version). Quick, very quick install. Log in as gust User with one click and a few moments later on the desktop and ready to go. Extracted Size is 3.5gig and looking really good at this point.
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[12:52] <ReggieUK> morning
[12:52] <_rpi> hey, has anyone managed to get twonky7 working on a rpi yet?
[12:53] <ReggieUK> no idea
[12:55] <chris_99> what's twonky?
[12:55] <ReggieUK> streaming app?
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[12:56] <the_cuckoo> upnp server
[12:56] <_rpi> yeah streaming app
[12:56] <ReggieUK> I win!
[12:57] <chris_99> heh
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[12:57] <the_cuckoo> i was more correct :p
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[13:03] <reider59> twinky twonky twoo
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[13:14] <Adya> Hi:)
[13:14] <Adya> Hi to everybody:)
[13:15] <Adya> If I got my pi from farnell, then, can I get my second one from rs?
[13:15] <rm> yes
[13:15] <reider59> yes
[13:16] <dmsuse> hi
[13:16] <rm> and a third one from Allied Electronics
[13:16] <politoed> you tricksters.
[13:16] <reider59> and a fourth one from the net lol
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[13:18] <reider59> if x offers you 1 Pi, you got one pi. if y also offers you 1 pi you got one pi......I got one and got offered a second but didn`t take it up. I have nothing against anyone who does. They`re just another number in a long queue, not tricksters
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[13:20] <rm> considering how completely fubared the launch was (and still is)
[13:21] <rm> I would have no mercy to the Foundation to encourage people to use all the tricks possible to get the devices they want
[13:21] <reider59> I could also have ordered 1 from each of two places, one for me and one for the wife
[13:21] <reider59> only problem
[13:21] <reider59> I`m divorced
[13:21] <reider59> ;-)
[13:22] <reider59> I have a code here for my second one but had it nearly a week, not sure if its still active
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[13:23] <Adya> I think it will be active forever:)
[13:23] <reider59> I think they will wait so long and pass it on
[13:23] <Adya> Untill RasPi factory blows:)
[13:24] <rm> I go there from time to time
[13:24] <rm> expected "Despatch" time increases
[13:24] <rm> 3 week, then 4, then 6, then 7
[13:24] <reider59> if they`d offered a T shirt again I might have got it. I failed to apply for the Element 14 0ne
[13:24] <rm> and Russian Federation is still not on the list
[13:24] <rm> of the countries. so I can't actually order.
[13:25] <reider59> what if you used a code someone else got?
[13:25] <nid0> farnell have russia on their list
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[13:27] <Adya> Rm, are you from russia?
[13:27] <rm> nid0, Farnel wants 20 Euro for delivery
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[13:27] <rm> I'm not paying that
[13:28] <rm> Adya, yes
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[13:28] <chris_99> 20 euro!
[13:28] <chris_99> that's a rip
[13:28] <Adya> I'm from ukraine:)
[13:28] <rm> have you ordered from RS?
[13:28] <rm> or is Ukraine also not on the list
[13:29] <rm> I believe it was
[13:29] <Adya> Pi + 20 Euro for delivery = 2xPi
[13:29] <rm> RS charges much less for delivery
[13:29] <rm> something like $7
[13:30] <PHahrrgis> I want a raspi to convert all my .flacs to 64k mp3 :3
[13:31] <PHahrrgis> (this is a joke)
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[13:32] <reider59> I want a RasPi to get me the correct numbers for a lotto jackpot, not a joke but unlikely lol
[13:32] <Simon-> unfortunately there's no hwrng
[13:33] <Adya> Reider59, you're cheater
[13:33] <Adya> You'll get ban;)
[13:33] <reider59> I am? OK, whatever!
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[13:34] <reider59> get a ban from where? WTF you on about?
[13:34] * ChanServ sets mode +o ReggieUK
[13:34] <ReggieUK> did someone say ban?
[13:34] <Adya> From a lottery:) ok, forget:)
[13:34] <Thorn_> i did, whut chu gonna do
[13:34] <reider59> yes, Adya for some unknown reason
[13:35] <reider59> was a joke, remember them?
[13:35] * ReggieUK flexes the itchy trigger finger...
[13:35] * Simon- has one from RS and one from Farnell
[13:35] <Adya> You'd better forget:)
[13:35] <reider59> just do it
[13:35] <Thorn_> 'You'd better forget' or Adya's gonna beat you up
[13:35] <reider59> let him
[13:35] <Adya> :(
[13:35] <reider59> he`s a tad touchy
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[13:36] <ReggieUK> who's a tad touchy?
[13:36] <Adya> I've got a headache today
[13:36] <reider59> Adya, calling for a ban when I jokingly wanted the RPi to predict the winning lotto numbers
[13:36] <Adya> :) so inma telling stupid things all the day:)
[13:37] <ReggieUK> reider59, calm down dear!
[13:37] <ReggieUK> I didn't take it seriously
[13:37] <reider59> whatever!
[13:37] <Adya> :( reider, I meant lottery ban
[13:37] <ReggieUK> I thought we could have a chuckle about it
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[13:37] <ReggieUK> you know, like Thorn_ did
[13:38] <reider59> is the headache for real? pain front or back? Seriously, may have something non medicinal to ease it or get rid of it
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[13:38] <Thorn_> germans dont understand humour
[13:38] * Thorn_ legs it
[13:38] <ReggieUK> that's a common misconception
[13:39] <DaQatz> Mostly because they are not funny, and never laugh.
[13:39] <DaQatz> ;)
[13:39] <Thorn_> :D
[13:39] * Adya makes facepalm
[13:39] <reider59> just a different sense of humour I guess, tell a British joke in the US and most don`t get it. Likewise American Humour here
[13:39] <Adya> d:D
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[13:40] <ReggieUK> nonsense
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[13:41] <reider59> That Penn and Teller nonsense on telly, my god I have to change channels when that crap is on
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[13:48] <PHahrrgis> I like Penn
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[13:51] <reider59> but not teller? lol
[13:53] <PHahrrgis> I don't know a whole lot about him
[13:55] <reider59> had to restart Fedora 17 XFCE, 1st time round was fast and brilliant, even opened the desktop, 2nd was dead slow and seemed to fail at the desktop opening then got stuck, just trying again
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[14:00] <Helldesk> any way to remove that pi graphic from the console? it covers vital text!
[14:01] <chris_99> but its so pretty
[14:01] <chris_99> i'm sure there is a way though
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[14:04] <Helldesk> it would be less of an issue if |more did not consider the hidden parts to be usable screen space
[14:04] <Helldesk> so you always lose the top bits of every screen
[14:04] <reider59> change the background image
[14:05] <Helldesk> what background image? It's a console!
[14:05] <Helldesk> it is not X
[14:05] <reider59> ok, calm down
[14:05] <Helldesk> :)
[14:06] <reider59> shuffle, this fed 17 is taking forever to boot, was dead quick 1st time round, mind it is a beta
[14:07] <Helldesk> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=95629#p95629
[14:07] <Helldesk> there's also this more serious issue
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[14:07] <Helldesk> (and lol, that overlay also covers up actual content, the anchor tag points to the relevant spot but the thing up top sabotages it)
[14:08] <Helldesk> seems to be a running gag :)
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[14:09] <reider59> ahhhh black screen and rotating icon heralds the start of the desktop finally
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[14:12] <steveccc> can anyone tell me whats the update command for a pi on debian so that I can install the latest patches including firmware
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[14:14] <Helldesk> does sudo /usr/bin/rpi-update work?
[14:15] <steveccc> command not found
[14:15] <reider59> sudo apt-get update I think is the normal update but not firmware. This link explains how to do the firmware update and it does the normal update too I think.......http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1195
[14:16] <ironzorg> steveccc: what system are you using ?
[14:16] <steveccc> i have a crashing problem and hence wanted to patch it - I am on debian
[14:16] <Helldesk> I guess it's a separate program you need to install for updating the thing(s)
[14:16] <ironzorg> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib /usr/bin/rpi-update as root should do it
[14:16] <steveccc> do you think software patches may correct it - I presumed it maybe a firmware update
[14:16] <ironzorg> I think
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[14:16] <reider59> I`d wipe it and start over personally, updating on top of a bad install is never a good idea
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[14:17] <steveccc> reider59: its a new install
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[14:18] <steveccc> ironzorg: rpi-update isnt installed?
[14:18] <reider59> yes one thats gone wonky and even if the update works it may still be wonky. for the time it takes to clear the SD Card and start over you have the fact that its more likely to work. your choice, red pill or blue pill?
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[14:20] <ironzorg> steveccc: oh, then idk.
[14:20] <ironzorg> I have that problem when I tried to run a binary, it said command not found
[14:20] <reider59> that link is for a firmware update tool by Hex, try it and if it fails wipe
[14:21] <steveccc> reider59: my install was 6-13 and 6-19 is now on the download so I am a bit behind. I would prefer to update rather than keep reinstalling and resetting up - whats the correct way to run the update
[14:21] <reider59> just check that link for the update tool
[14:22] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1195
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[14:22] <reider59> it worked for me on 19
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[14:28] <steveccc> my update is failing saying I need to make sure ca-certificates are installed - where can i find those
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[14:28] <reider59> it tells you in the next link how to update them
[14:29] <reider59> or should I say use the next command and it should update the CA-Certificates
[14:29] <reider59> not got it open and running a partition prog on another puter
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[14:37] <reider59> Anyone know a link to an OpenELEC image ready to download and install?
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[14:39] <Da|Mummy> awesome, farnell tried to charge the CC i gave them months ago for the raspberry pi, but that thing has no money on it. and the email was sent to my spam to let me know, that was 2.5 days ago, and email says order will be cancelled if not contacted within 48 hours
[14:41] <reider59> If you get nowhere come back and pm me, I`ll give you my code from a week ago for free. If it still works, I have the link, then you may need to give them my email address. Then I think you just set up the payment and address for you I guess. Never done it before, this is my second order, I already have a RPi.
[14:43] <svenstaro> why do people have their second pi and I have still have none? :P
[14:43] <cromag> reider59: what size memory card ?
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[14:44] <Da|Mummy> to be fair, this is an order for my 2nd pi as well :| and i havent even touched my first one that came in almost a month ago
[14:44] <reider59> I ordered from both places way back around March. One was delivered and then a few days later I got the code from the other place to put in an order.
[14:45] <reider59> OK, thanks for being honest Da/Mummy, I`d rather the code went to someone who hasn`t got one yet so thanks.
[14:45] <yeshuah> is it possible to ssh into the Pi and mirror output through HDMI?
[14:45] <reider59> It's a 4 gig SC Card, sorry for the delay
[14:45] <reider59> oops SD
[14:45] <cromag> reider59: i can have one for you later ?
[14:45] <reider59> okies thanks, I`ll be on most of the day
[14:45] <cromag> i have one, but not upladed.
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[14:46] <cromag> i'll start the upload.
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[14:46] <reider59> just want to try it out and maybe do something with my collection of DVD`s so I can put them away, if thats possible
[14:46] <reider59> many thanks
[14:47] <reider59> ssh will do a textual link as in the command line, set up VNC and it will show the desktop
[14:48] <reider59> I think their are ways to do a little more with SSH but as standard that's what it does
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[14:48] <steveccc> reider59: got it updated I think - is there a commnd I can run to get a firmware version number to confirm it has updated?
[14:49] <reider59> my Debian setup has both SSH and VNC set to start automatically
[14:49] <steveccc> reider59: out of interest what vnc server do you use
[14:49] <reider59> not sure, have to check in the forum but I would assume so
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[14:49] <cromag> reider59: it will take some time - 5mbit upload. But i will get back to you. It's an image take of a fresh made sdcard.
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[14:50] <steveccc> reider59: sorry to be a pain - what vnc server do you use?
[14:50] <steveccc> \
[14:50] <reider59> on the RPi its tightvncserver and I have a link to describe how to install it and another one to describe how to set it on auto so its on at every boot without starting it manually
[14:51] <reider59> okies cromag and thx
[14:53] <reider59> Install TIGHTVNCSERVER.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5QCoh8S0N4&feature=relmfu.........Set to auto start, no manual adding on every boot.........http://forums.techgage.com/showthread.php?p=55779
[14:53] <reider59> ignore set and the dots in the first link
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[14:54] <steveccc> reider59: its ok thanks - i have that installed - just wasnt sure if that was the best software (may be causing the crashing) and hence thats why I asked - hopefully the firmware update will solve it
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[14:55] <reider59> I have the 19-06 setup with tightvnc added to a wi fi adapter and tested on a wired connection, with the auto start and all works perfectly.
[14:56] <reider59> Just log in on VNC and it works, without having to SSH in on Putty and start the VNC Server. also no problems with crashing etc, which could even be a power problem.
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[14:57] <steveccc> reider59: mine works fine but then crashes irregularly - it managed all night last night but then the day before 2 crashes in an hour
[14:57] <steveccc> will see how it goes now fully updated
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[14:57] <reider59> could be anything really at this stage of the game
[14:57] <reider59> hope you get it sorted
[14:58] <reider59> I`d look at power issues, maybe move stuff from the USB ports if any in and put them on a powered USB box. Make sure the PSU is adequate then monitor the situation from there
[14:59] <steveccc> reider59: thanks - powersupply is from the company who shipped the pi and hence i would hope its ok. nothing in the usb ports - totally headless now setup
[14:59] <reider59> lol, some folks still had problems with those PSU`s
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[15:00] <reider59> you`ll get there, these things can be hard to spot. Its like a car that won`t start, theirs many things it could be
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[15:03] <steveccc> thanks - dont suppose its possible to set crash logging up is it so that i can try to get an idea?
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[15:04] <reider59> it may even be set up and documented in some logs, have to Google that
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[15:05] <steveccc> thats one of the things i used to like on sun servers - they save a complete dump of the os at the time of the crash as an image and you could use their tool to investigate memory registers, command running at the time of the crash etc
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[15:10] <reider59> Someone made a Jetpack game in Python and offering to do a tutorial. Go to http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=3179&p=95708#p95708 and cast your vote if you wish to see one. the game looks really cool too.
[15:13] <dmsuse> not interested :P
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[15:13] <reider59> so just ignore it...... not difficult
[15:15] <the_cuckoo> reider59: that looks like a great idea :)
[15:16] <reider59> It is, thanks. Many people want to learn Python and to see something useful instead of Hello world is really cool!
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[15:16] <the_cuckoo> just showed the pi to the kids next door and was getting bombarded with questions about writing games - i suggested something simple like a platform game might be a good early goal
[15:16] <reider59> good idea
[15:17] <the_cuckoo> and lo, there is this :)
[15:17] <reider59> Its that little inspiration that gets them going, might not work for all. but learning how to do this can spark off other ideas and give them an idea how to achieve it.
[15:20] <reider59> I take meds that affect my brain in an effort to kill severe pain. Meaning I lose short term memory and thought control as well as loss of the use of most of my left leg/foot. So something like this helps to both motivate me and help me learn how to use Python. I`m not a kid but 53 this month, still wishing to learn.
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[15:22] <rotozip> Out of folks on here what seems to be the most common Linux distro used on the Pi?
[15:23] <mythos> some people take this, some that
[15:23] <the_cuckoo> reider59: you have my sympathy and that sounds like a good plan - good luck with that
[15:23] <reider59> I`d say most are using Debian but could be wrong
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[15:24] <mythos> we need a pi-census
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[15:25] <rotozip> Okay yeah, I am using the Debian squeeze image.
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[15:27] <reider59> Mostly Debian here but using other Distros on other SD Cards. But my best setup is on Debian with the XFCE added after the install, but that was only a day or so ago I added it. Its staying on now though
[15:29] <rotozip> reider59 I might try XFCE for fun.
[15:29] <reider59> I have a link to it, easy to do from there in debian.
[15:30] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=7571
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[15:31] <rotozip> reider59 cool thanks I will give it a shot.
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[15:32] <reider59> just changed the background image, was a little kiddified. Be aware it boots straight to the Desktop via SLIM login screen and then you can open a terminal in there from an icon if you wish. I set Chrome up as default browser in it and it works when you click the browser icon too, unlike in the earlier install.
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[15:32] <rotozip> reider59 nice thanks.
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[15:34] <reider59> instead of a command line login its a desktop theme with a field to type in. you can use F1 to choose the XFCE theme, the standard RPi one you had before or OpenBox which seems to be just a bare desktop and right click to open or install stuff. their are other options listed but none are installed. IIt gives you choices.
[15:34] <reider59> np, enjoy
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[15:35] <reider59> my wifi adaptor stayed installed so I was pleased with that
[15:37] <reider59> I set the modprobe to auto install too, so sound always works and no manual setting every boot. If anyone wants that link I have it.
[15:38] <reider59> https://www.element14.com/community/message/52893
[15:40] <reider59> I have to record everything I do as short term memory is shot in my brain. so I opened a Forum for locals of this area to use for info and I use it for reinstalls and links.
[15:41] <_rpi> does anyone know the root password for raspbmc?
[15:41] <_rpi> ah nm
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[15:42] <reider59> did uou change or add the root password after install?
[15:42] <reider59> is this on Debian?
[15:43] <TechJeeper> hey _rpi
[15:44] <TechJeeper> it shouldnt prompt you for a password
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[15:44] <TechJeeper> if it does, your SD didnt write properly
[15:44] <_rpi> yeah, sorry i was confused with another system that i've been working on
[15:44] <TechJeeper> I cant get raspmc to work myself, same issue
[15:44] <_rpi> sorted it now tho
[15:44] <TechJeeper> so its not promptin ya?
[15:44] <reider59> password isn`t set for root at install
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[15:46] <reider59> ok rpi
[15:46] <TechJeeper> Good Morning y'all
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[15:47] <reider59> good afternoon lol
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[15:47] <TechJeeper> 0945 here, lol. went to bed at 0400
[15:47] <reider59> 2:50pm here lol
[15:48] <reider59> OK 2:45pm
[15:48] <reider59> clock needs adjusting on the wall
[15:48] <ender|> new minimal gentoo image, now with nano, nfs-utils and openntpd included: http://eternallybored.org/misc/raspberrypi/gentoo-minimal.img.xz
[15:48] <TechJeeper> does it tick anyone else off that RPis are going for like 100 bucks on ebay lol
[15:49] <reider59> just ignore it, I could send for my second one and do it but not about to rip people off
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[15:49] <TechJeeper> Same thing when I used to see the Google CR48s on there for like 500 bucks.
[15:49] <reider59> and I aint anywhere near rich lol
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[15:50] <reider59> whats the Gentoo user name and password?
[15:50] <reider59> or is it not needed?
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[15:51] <reider59> << time to play again lol
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[15:51] <TechJeeper> Might order a case :) I dont think my ModMiPi one will ever ship :P
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[15:53] <reider59> I ordered a good looking perspex one thats going under production from Monday. Cost me ??7.50 and he emailed back with a latest delevery next Thursday and a thankyou came a day late for the payment by Paypal
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[15:53] <reider59> thats inc delivery
[15:53] <reider59> fully built or build it yourself for a little cheaper
[15:54] <_rpi> url?
[15:54] <_rpi> ive just received a nice perspex one
[15:54] <reider59> hang on, see if I can find it
[15:54] <_rpi> duilding it was a pita
[15:54] <_rpi> building
[15:54] <TechJeeper> cool, I guess ModMiPi planned on 3D printing them to doing full molded so its taking them more time, I ordered that back shortly after ording the pi lol
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[15:55] <reider59> have to look for this one manuall, Joel Ferguson is the guy. I`ll go find the link in the forum, be a few ticks
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[15:59] <reider59> The case I`m buying......http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6520
[16:00] <reider59> sorry about the delay, I best record that link lol
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[16:04] <reider59> I may get a covered case later too, I want the perspex one most of the time. But I`m adding my AWI Robot Arm to a motorised trolley later then the RPi onboard and and Arduino board, run it via SSH or VNC and move it around + operate the arm.
[16:04] <reider59> Thats well down the line to do though
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[16:05] <reider59> put a cam on it too, be a lot of fun
[16:06] <ironzorg> quakelive on rpi, thoughts ?
[16:06] <ironzorg> is it even possible ?
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[16:07] <reider59> I got Quake3 on a week or two back but second install didn`t work and the SD card went tits up so I didn`t repeat. but the card had a chip off the plastic so may have been faulty when I got it.
[16:07] <_rpi> http://thedigitallifestyle.com/w/index.php/2012/05/23/quick-review-laser-cut-acrylic-case-for-the-raspberry-pi/
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[16:07] <_rpi> i've got me one of those
[16:08] <_rpi> looks great
[16:08] <_rpi> but
[16:08] <reider59> similar but different ;-)
[16:08] <_rpi> the nuts holding it al together touch the board on the bottom
[16:08] <_rpi> against certain solder points
[16:09] <_rpi> so i've had to put a business card on the bottom to stop that from happening
[16:09] <reider59> can`t you slip in some kind of thin insulator?
[16:09] <reider59> electricians tape?
[16:09] <bbb^> like a bit card maybe ? :)
[16:09] <reider59> always a way
[16:09] <_rpi> buisness card works a treat
[16:10] <reider59> the fibre washers off a motherboard install
[16:10] <_rpi> and is exactly the right size
[16:10] <reider59> nice one
[16:10] <reider59> just the business
[16:10] <reider59> lol
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[16:19] <ReggieUK> reider59, mind your language please :)
[16:20] <reider59> when?
[16:20] <TechJeeper> So someone mentioned they had RaspMC running eh
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[16:26] <rasp8aa> reider59: you're not allowed to say insulator
[16:26] <rasp8aa> oops
[16:26] <reider59> no, think it was the electricians tape, some people use it for sex and tape it on their body, so it becomes a bodily part lol
[16:27] <reider59> oops sex
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[16:28] <dan___> hey, is it possible to send data with the GPIO rather than just high and low?
[16:28] <reider59> grease nipples are out too
[16:28] <reider59> oops
[16:28] <ReggieUK> dan___, yes
[16:28] <rasp8aa> dan___: telegraph style
[16:29] <dan___> so this means I can drive a serial LCD screen then. this should be fun
[16:29] <reider59> I fancy getting a small screen of some description once a few are tested
[16:30] <ReggieUK> well, yeah, the 2 of the gpio pins are also TX/RX for the pi's serial port
[16:30] <ReggieUK> most of the pins are multifunction
[16:30] <ReggieUK> there's also i2c and spi on there too dan___
[16:30] <reider59> not tryiying that gentoo, something is putting me off
[16:30] <reider59> *trying
[16:30] <rasp8aa> 3 and half more hours
[16:31] <dan___> i was looking at i2c for a hardware clock but i dont think the python library supports it yet and im not sure im good enough at electronics to try it
[16:32] <Wintus> Any idead why I can't ssh to my raspi? I've set static ip and it responds to ping and stuff but ssh doesn't work :l
[16:32] <rasp8aa> Wintus: do a port scan
[16:32] <ReggieUK> but ssh at the end of the line in cmdline.txt
[16:32] <ReggieUK> put*
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[16:33] <reider59> has it been working or just setting it up?
[16:33] <dirty_d> bootc, do i need to do something besides `git clone https://github.com/bootc/linux.git` to get your kernel and the i2c driver?
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[16:34] <bootc> dirty_d: yes, 'git checkout rpi-3.2.18'
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[16:34] <bootc> the master branch is not Raspberry Pi related
[16:34] <reider59> Heres a link to setting up SSH....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmMMKojOE4U&feature=relmfu
[16:34] <dirty_d> bootc, from inside the linux directory?
[16:34] <bootc> yep
[16:35] <dan___> is there a way to limit current on the pins? im worried about frying my pi while doing hardware stuff
[16:36] <dirty_d> bootc, rpi-i2cspi is outdated?
[16:36] <bootc> it's based on an older 3.2 kernel
[16:36] <dirty_d> or do i do both
[16:36] <dirty_d> ok
[16:36] <dirty_d> i really need to learn how to use git
[16:36] <bootc> the drivers should be the same I think, but 3.2.18 is the later base kernel
[16:37] <bootc> I'm hoping to pull my finger out and post a 3.2.19 kernel this weekend too
[16:37] <ReggieUK> dan___, use resistors
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[16:37] <dirty_d> dan___, what are you driving?
[16:38] <dan___> dirty_d: currently just an LED but im planning to drive an LCD screen. a guy on reddit said i should be using a transistor for the LED but i figured a resistor would be alright
[16:38] <dirty_d> dan___, a transistor would be safer, how much current can the GPIO pins supply?
[16:39] <dirty_d> i thought it was like 50mA combined?
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[16:39] <dirty_d> thats not enough for most LEDs
[16:39] <ReggieUK> eh?
[16:39] <ReggieUK> it is
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[16:39] <ReggieUK> more than enough for most leds
[16:39] <ReggieUK> unless its some uber sized thing
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[16:39] <dirty_d> oh yea
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[16:39] <dirty_d> im thinking of 100Ma when its really like 10
[16:40] <dirty_d> dan___, do you have any transistors?
[16:40] <dan___> i think i might have one somewhere around
[16:40] <dan___> but if i use a transistor wouldnt i need an external power source?
[16:40] <dirty_d> dan___, whats the forward voltage drop of the LEDs for normal operation?
[16:41] <dirty_d> dan___, you can use the +3.3v or +5v from the GPIO header i guess
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[16:41] <ReggieUK> 2v ish depending
[16:41] <dirty_d> as long as you dont go over what it can supply
[16:41] <dan___> can they source more current than the GPIO?
[16:41] <dan___> i think my LED went from 3.3 to around 2 when i measured it
[16:42] <rotozip> I installed XFCE but I vnc into my PI and want to default to XFCE instead of LXDE. Is ~/.vnc/xstartup where i configure that?
[16:42] <dirty_d> dan___, a 120ohm resistor with a 2v drop LED will give you 10mA with a 3.3v GPIO driver
[16:43] <dan___> oh i was using more in the range of 330 =P can you set the voltage out on the GPIO? i thought it was just high or low
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[16:43] <dirty_d> bootc, im assuming this is all of the i2c driver code? ./drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-bcm2708.c
[16:43] <bootc> yup
[16:44] <ReggieUK> you don't have to feed the led it's rated current either
[16:44] <ReggieUK> so you could quite easily use a 330ohm or 1k ohm resistor
[16:44] <dan___> yeah i thought i would go on the safe side and give it less
[16:44] <dirty_d> bootc, so what do you need to do to get this driver added to the official rpi kernel?
[16:44] <ReggieUK> it just wouldn't be as bright
[16:44] <reider59> I haven`t set that yet, mine too defaults to that on VNC. Give us a shout if you get it sorted, if not I`ll have a look for it in a bit
[16:45] <dan___> although i did blow one LED with a 220 Ohm resistor
[16:45] <bootc> dirty_d: probably not very much, but as I explained I'd much rather the official kernel was brought to at least 3.2.x
[16:45] <dirty_d> right
[16:45] <bootc> due to serious security issues with 3.1 that just aren't going to be fixed
[16:45] <dan___> i think i was on the 5v rail though
[16:45] <ReggieUK> just get a 330ohm then, and in theory you're probably covered for most leds at 3.3 and 5v
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[16:45] <ReggieUK> I use 1k/10k a lot
[16:46] <dirty_d> me too
[16:46] <dirty_d> instead of having to buy 700 different kinda of resistors
[16:46] <dirty_d> i just series/parallel them to what i need
[16:46] <ReggieUK> mainly because I'm not too interested in brightness from a led, just that I can see it sufficiently
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[16:49] <dirty_d> im thinking about making an oscilloscope with an rpi and an atxmega
[16:49] <ReggieUK> is it worth it?
[16:49] <bootc> dirty_d: just get a DSO Nano :-)
[16:49] <dirty_d> i dunno
[16:49] <ReggieUK> which xmega
[16:50] <dirty_d> atxmega32a4u
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[16:50] <ReggieUK> not sure it's got the bandwidth/memory to cope with much
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[16:50] <reider59> rotorzip: According to what I just read, the file has a startx & at the end and for example KDE would need it changing from that to startkde &
[16:50] <dirty_d> well the atxmega can sample at 2Msps
[16:51] <reider59> the ampersand has to be included
[16:51] <dirty_d> and i dont even work with anything beyond audio range
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[16:51] <ReggieUK> oh then it might well be ideal :)
[16:51] <dirty_d> maybe
[16:51] <IT_Sean> Hihihih
[16:51] <ReggieUK> hi
[16:51] <dirty_d> it would probably look like an abomination when im done with it though
[16:51] <ReggieUK> doesn't have to
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[16:52] <dirty_d> all held together with wires and rubber bands
[16:52] <dirty_d> lol
[16:52] <ReggieUK> and you wouldn't be the first to try it with an atmega chip
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[16:52] <ReggieUK> there are plenty of examples on the arduino for low rate logic analysers/o-scopes
[16:52] <dirty_d> ive seen ones using avrs, but just with an LCD screen
[16:52] <dan___> hmm i think i definitely need a external power source to do anything too interesting. max you can get off 3.3v is 300mA 5v is whatever the Pi isn't using so probably about 300mA
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[16:52] <dirty_d> it would be nice to have it rendered on a big screen
[16:53] <ReggieUK> not sure how you would go about doing it in realtime though
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[17:09] <dirty_d> ReggieUK, what do you mean?
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[17:10] <IT_Sean> /clear
[17:11] <cromag> reider59: ping
[17:11] <reider59> hi cromag
[17:11] <cromag> what image was it you needed by the way ?
[17:11] <cromag> i thought i was in the OpenElec ;)
[17:11] <reider59> the OPENelec
[17:12] <cromag> super
[17:12] <cromag> i got that for you then
[17:12] <reider59> nice one, thx
[17:12] <cromag> sec.
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[17:17] <ReggieUK> dirty_d, well, you want it all displayed in real time without losing any data
[17:17] <ReggieUK> or do you want it to be triggered and recorded then played back to you?
[17:18] <dirty_d> you would lose data
[17:18] <dirty_d> it would only be displayed as fast as opengl can render it
[17:18] <dirty_d> but the data in one frame would be complete
[17:22] <dirty_d> bootc, would i just `make defconfig` then add CONFIG_I2C_BCM2708=m ?
[17:23] <bootc> dirty_d: I haven't been keeping the defconfig up to date, to be honest
[17:23] <dirty_d> so you manually configure it?
[17:23] <bootc> your best bet is probably to grab the .config from a different RPi kernel, either the official one or mine
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[17:24] <bootc> if you grab the official one you'll have to catch up with the other changes between 3.1 and 3.2, with mine you gets *lots* of things built as modules
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[17:24] <dirty_d> they dont usually come with the .config do they?
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[17:25] <dirty_d> i dont have /proc/config.gz on my qemu img
[17:25] <D-side> i've acquired a couple more SD cards, and now its time to play
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[17:25] <ShiftPlusOne> dirty_d, it's created when the kernel is actually loaded, it won't just be on the img.
[17:26] <ShiftPlusOne> you can also extract it from a kernel without running it.
[17:26] <dirty_d> no shit?
[17:26] <dirty_d> how do you do that?
[17:26] <IT_Sean> language, please, dirty_d
[17:26] <dirty_d> sorry
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[17:27] <ShiftPlusOne> ./scripts/extract-ikconfig
[17:27] <ShiftPlusOne> that's in the linux source dir
[17:27] <dirty_d> cool, thanks
[17:27] <ShiftPlusOne> just pass the kernel as the argument and you get the config.
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[17:28] <D-side> that's pretty good.
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[17:31] <dirty_d> hrrm, why is make oldconfig asking me which x86 processor type to use?
[17:32] <dirty_d> is it detecting which arch im configuring it on?
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[17:34] <ShiftPlusOne> because you're not crosscompiling properly
[17:34] <ShiftPlusOne> using make ARCH=arm oldconfig?
[17:35] <dirty_d> no, im going to just move this all over to my qemu image
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[17:35] <dirty_d> i dont think i have the right cross compiler
[17:36] <ShiftPlusOne> no, you just haven't specified that you want to compile for arm.
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[17:36] <dirty_d> i know, but i dont think i have it either
[17:37] <ShiftPlusOne> have what?
[17:37] <dirty_d> the right arm cross compiler
[17:37] <Helldesk> huh, why does |less not work on my raspi
[17:37] <Helldesk> it floods the screen with empty lines beginning with tildes
[17:37] <ShiftPlusOne> dirty_d, what do you have and where did you get it?
[17:37] <rasp8aa> ~~~~~~~~~~~#
[17:37] <mythos> Helldesk, apt-get install less
[17:38] <dan___> oh wow, hooked my GPIO up to a speaker and I can adjust the frequency it plays with my loop routine
[17:38] <dirty_d> ShiftPlusOne, arm-elf-gcc-base from Archlinux community repo
[17:38] <Helldesk> but it's already there?
[17:38] <dan___> need to figure out how to play a song
[17:38] <hamitron> you want more, rather than less? ;)
[17:38] <Helldesk> at least it has a man page
[17:38] <ShiftPlusOne> dirty_d, don't know about that, but the name seems like it could be right.
[17:38] <wcunning> Helldesk: what's the output of "which less"
[17:38] <mythos> Helldesk, hmm... ok
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[17:40] <Helldesk> yeah, it's installed... but when using it, it does not stop when the screen is full, I can't scroll, and if I try to use it, it floods empty lines to the screen
[17:41] <mythos> Helldesk, try "reset"
[17:41] <dirty_d> ShiftPlusOne, ill give it a try, do i just need to do CC=arm-gc... or something?
[17:42] <dan___> anyone know any simple 1 bit songs i can play?
[17:42] <Draylor> beep
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[17:43] <ShiftPlusOne> dirty_d, nope, hang on, I'll find the var
[17:43] <ShiftPlusOne> make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-unknown-linux-gnu- ....
[17:43] <dan___> im not sure what the maximum frequency python/pi can manage does it doesnt seem particularly high
[17:44] <dirty_d> ShiftPlusOne, yea i only have arm-elf-gcc and it didnt work
[17:45] <ShiftPlusOne> try make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-elf- ... (without the gcc)
[17:45] <dirty_d> thats whta i did
[17:45] <dirty_d> scripts/mod/empty.c:1:0: error: FPA is unsupported in the AAPCS
[17:45] <dirty_d> first and only error
[17:45] <ender|> dirty_d: what's the cross-compiler name? type arm- and press tab a few times
[17:46] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, just download the official crosscompiler or use codesourcery's if what you have doesn't work.
[17:47] <dirty_d> ender|, arm-elf-gcc
[17:47] <dirty_d> arm-2011-arm-none-eabi is in aur with some other similar packages
[17:47] <dirty_d> its probably one of those
[17:48] <dirty_d> like literally 20 different ones
[17:48] <ender|> in gentoo i use make CROSS_COMPILE=armv6zk-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi- ARCH=arm
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[17:49] <Marein> ?lo
[17:50] <chaoshax> So has anyone done i2c for gpio?
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[17:56] <chaoshax> Probably easier to use an attiny to convert to serial
[17:56] <Helldesk> hmm... how do you log out in debian?
[17:56] <Helldesk> or with bash in general
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[17:57] <Helldesk> logout just tells me "there are stopped jobs"
[17:57] <wcunning> logout and/or exit
[17:57] <wcunning> the first should log you out
[17:57] <Helldesk> hmm, ps tells me there's... two less and one man job running?!
[17:57] <wcunning> the second will close the active terminal, so if you're in a TTY and that's all that's open, it will effectively log you out
[17:57] <Helldesk> I'm only using this one instance of the shell
[17:57] <des2> type: jobs
[17:58] <wcunning> is X running?
[17:58] <Helldesk> yeah, that's what I was expecting
[17:58] <Helldesk> no
[17:58] <wcunning> then try exit and see
[17:58] <wcunning> you should just end up back at a login prompt
[17:58] <Helldesk> oh, looks like I've managed to stop those jobs
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[17:58] <ender|> Helldesk: if you've got background jobs, try fg
[17:58] <Helldesk> I don't know how, must have been when I was fighting against less
[17:58] <Helldesk> yeah
[17:58] <Helldesk> thanks, I knew fg but had forgotten
[17:59] <Helldesk> now they are gone
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[17:59] <Helldesk> now I'll continue stabbing at the Pi via ssh
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[18:02] <dan___> how do i work out the freqency of a for loop?
[18:02] <Scepterr> hmm ive got an old psone addon display
[18:02] <Gadget-Mac> chaoshax: i2c using the i2c pins on the gpio header is working
[18:02] <Scepterr> has composite in
[18:02] <chaoshax> Gadget-Mac, Cool thanks.
[18:02] <chaoshax> Any packages to get it working?
[18:02] <Gadget-Mac> All thanks to bootc, see http://www.bootc.net/
[18:02] <chaoshax> OK
[18:02] <chaoshax> So it's included in the builds then?
[18:03] <Gadget-Mac> Nope.
[18:03] <Gadget-Mac> Take a look at the site above for details
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[18:03] <Gadget-Mac> I've successfully used if myself :) http://raspberrypi.homelabs.org.uk/i2c-connected-1-wire-masters/
[18:04] <chaoshax> Cool.
[18:04] <Gadget-Mac> What do you have in mind ?
[18:05] <chaoshax> Just to display GPS data perhaps with google earth.
[18:05] <chaoshax> From a arduino which receives from a radio receiver.
[18:06] <chaoshax> I will get to work with it after my exams though, I was just curious if it has been implemented yet.
[18:06] <Gadget-Mac> i2c seems an odd choice
[18:07] <chaoshax> I will probably just go with serial.
[18:07] <Gadget-Mac> No real need for the arduino imho.
[18:07] <chaoshax> Oh the arduino decodes the RTTY I think it is.
[18:08] <chaoshax> But it is actually needed, it then controls servos.
[18:08] <chaoshax> For moving an antenna.
[18:08] <wcunning> forgive me for my ignorance, but, what's the comparison (advantages/disadvantages) between SPI and I2C? Particularly on the RPi, but in general as well
[18:08] <Helldesk> simply amazing... the pi refuses to boot after a clean shutdown, like there's something physically wrong with it
[18:08] <dirty_d> spi is faster
[18:08] <dirty_d> i2c is simple
[18:08] <Helldesk> power off, power on simply will not do
[18:09] <Helldesk> it has to rest for minutes to recover
[18:09] <wcunning> doesn't I2C have the annoying trait of no shared clock? Wouldn't that make it more complicated than SPI?)
[18:09] <dan___> Helldesk, is it in an enclosure where it could get pretty warm?
[18:09] <dirty_d> wcunning, i2c uses one clock
[18:10] <wcunning> but don't you have to do some work to set which end that clock is on?
[18:10] <dirty_d> its always the ,master
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[18:10] <wcunning> ok
[18:11] <wcunning> interesting
[18:11] <wcunning> I'm actually just starting a project and have to decide how to hook things up
[18:11] <wcunning> I2C vs. SPI
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[18:12] <wcunning> I'm having a hard time determining this from the elinux page: how many SPI interfaces and how many I2C interfaces does the RPi have?
[18:12] <wcunning> sorta looks like 2 SPI and 1 I2C
[18:13] <Gadget-Mac> wcunning: On the gpio header ?
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[18:13] <wcunning> yep
[18:13] <Gadget-Mac> 1 i2c, and spi, with two spi select lines.
[18:13] <wcunning> what does the select line do?
[18:14] <ReggieUK> you use it to tell teh spi device you're connected to that you want to talk to it
[18:14] <ReggieUK> so you can connect multiple devices to the spi bus
[18:14] <Gadget-Mac> Well 2 :)
[18:14] <ReggieUK> well, 2 in this particular case without having to do anything wiht the drivers
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[18:15] <wcunning> ah ok
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[18:15] <wcunning> so effectively 2 SPI busses, but that'll be more of an adventure than if there actually were 2
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[18:15] <ReggieUK> no it's one bus
[18:16] <ReggieUK> capable of talking to 2 devices
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[18:19] <Marein> Hello all, I??m extremely new to this Raspberry Pi thing - don??t have one yet myself. I understand they??e sold out at the moment, and I was wondering if there is some estimate of when the stocks will be replenished, or a particular place I should keep my eye on for updates?
[18:20] <rasp8aa> Marein: They're not so much sold out, as much as there is a fairly large backlog
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[18:20] <dwatkins> hi Marein and welcome, assuming you're in the UK, look up Farnell and RS-WWW for Raspberry Pi ordering.
[18:20] <mkopack> Marein: You can put in a request to order and when they get to your spot in line they'll send you an email telling you to go ahead and put it in.
[18:20] <mkopack> The earlier you do that the sooner you'll get the opportunenity to buyu
[18:21] <Marein> I see
[18:21] <rasp8aa> Marein: The two distributors are continiously churning them out, it will just take a while to get over the initial demand
[18:21] <reider59> I have a code from a week ago for a second RPi, you can try it if you`re sincere about getting one. They may ask for my email address to ensure the code is correct then you sort the rest of the details. Might save a long wait
[18:21] <Marein> dwatkins: I?m not, I?m in the Netherlands - are there alternative distributors for different countries?
[18:22] <dwatkins> Marein: I gather Farnell is in NL as well, not sure about RS, sorry.
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[18:22] <Marein> Yeah, their website is localized for NL, at least
[18:22] <rasp8aa> Marein: http://nl.farnell.com/
[18:22] <Marein> Precisely!
[18:23] <Marein> reider59: That would be kind of great
[18:23] <reider59> pm me and I`ll get the link, code and email addy
[18:24] <Marein> I?m not quite sure yet through, have to read a bit more
[18:24] <rasp8aa> Marein: http://be02.rs-online.com/web/home.html
[18:24] <Marein> Only really discovered this some days ago
[18:24] <reider59> ok, np
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[18:27] <Marein> reider59: I?ll make a decision soon, though, so I?ll let you know. Thanks already
[18:28] <Marein> mkopack: Ah yeah, I signed up for that
[18:29] <reider59> okies, not sure if the link is still valid but when you click on it they will tell you. I think they simply ask for my email addy as a precaution. Don`t know how long they hold them available for. I don`t want any payment, just dont want it getting sold on
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[18:30] <Sakyl> Does some1 know how i got a sd-card mounted? connected the sd-card reader, but it doesnt show up in the fdisk -l. the lsusb shows, that it is connected
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[18:31] <Helldesk> when you have connected it, what does dmesg |tail say?
[18:32] <Sakyl> Mhh, sda to sdd connected as removable SCSI disk
[18:33] <rotozip> Nice??? Got XFCE installed on my Pi and set up to be the default window manager for vnc. Works nice on my iPad through iTeleport.
[18:34] <reider59> how did you get the XFCE working in the VNC Window?
[18:34] <Sakyl> thanks, now i know wich 4 /dev/'s are in there
[18:35] <Sakyl> bt whent i try to mount /dev/sda it says that this is not a valid block device
[18:35] <Sakyl> for sdb to sdd it just says "unknown device"
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[18:35] <nidO> you need to mount a valid partition
[18:36] <nidO> if you have a single partition on whatever you have on your sda device its /dev/sda1 youll be mounting
[18:36] <ender|> nidO: not necessarily - there are SD cards in "superfloppy" format, which aren't partitioned, in which case you have to mount the drive
[18:37] <Helldesk> mount ought to be able to tell if it recognizes the partition's file type with -t or was it -l
[18:37] <Helldesk> I haven't gotten it to work though
[18:37] <Sakyl> And from where do i know where this partition is?
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[18:37] <ender|> Sakyl: pull the card out, then reinsert it, and look at dmesg
[18:37] <Helldesk> (and default raspberry debian does no seem to know ntfs, which stumped me when I first tried mount a usb stick)
[18:37] <ender|> (don't unplug the reader)
[18:38] <Sakyl> nothing changes if i change the card
[18:38] <Sakyl> or plug/unplug it
[18:38] <ender|> nothing in dmesg?
[18:38] <Sakyl> not a single change
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[18:41] <rotozip> I booted into XFCE the first time connected to a monitor and selected xfce from the log in window. I just made sure vncserver starts under the pi login profile and it worked.
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[18:42] <Marein> What interests me particularly about the Rpi is that it seems to be a great environment to learn ASM and basic OS stuff. I haven?t done anything at such a low level before though, and I?m wondering if it?s possible to make programming mistakes that will irreversibly break the device. I?ll be making mistakes for sure, and I wouldn?t want to waste the pi and the money on them. What do you guys think?
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[18:42] <reider59> ok, not totally sure but I`ll have a look at that thx
[18:42] <Marein> So what I have in mind is not having linux on it but writing my own things instead, to be clear
[18:43] <nidO> Marein: it's very hard to brick a pi as it has no embedded bootloader or similar, the soc firmware literally loads the minimum code possible to know how to read the sd card then everything's read from there
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> Bricking basically would involve hardware damage
[18:44] <reider59> lol to be honest a few days back all I got from my RPi was a red light, no matter what I tried. I really thought it was bricked. turned out the SD Card had gone wonky donkey (hope that isn`t considered swearing)
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[18:45] <SpeedEvil> you're not allowed to talk about wonkying donkeys, this is a PG channel.
[18:45] <reider59> their was a chip out of the plastic though so it might have been that way when I got it through the post
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[18:45] <Sharka> salut des fran??ais par ici??
[18:45] <reider59> lol
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[18:46] <reider59> was going to mention n.i.p.s but that might be considered something else
[18:46] <reider59> not in parlance for now
[18:47] <Marein> Thanks for the answers on the bricking, great o hear
[18:47] <Marein> to*
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[18:48] <reider59> I think voltage is the one to watch
[18:48] <Marein> Another question... Are there plans for a version C, if so, what will it be like, and when is it expected?
[18:49] <nidO> there have been hints at future models, but no details at all on solid plans, specs, or release
[18:49] <reider59> I think their was talk of a more educational model in a case but not sure when
[18:49] <Helldesk> there was
[18:49] <Helldesk> not their
[18:49] <nidO> (that excludes the educational release of model a in a case)
[18:49] <reider59> oh my god, we got a grammar police in here now
[18:49] <Helldesk> they are hoping to come out with the cased model for schools by autumn
[18:50] <Helldesk> reider59: I mean *damn*, "their was" does not even mean anything
[18:50] <Helldesk> it's not a grammar issue, it's a pig latin issue
[18:50] <Marein> Helldesk: Okay, but except for the case the hardware will be like the model B?
[18:50] <reider59> whatever!
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[18:51] <ExeciN> my Razer Imperator mouse does not work with my Rpi is there a way to make it work?
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> Trying to teach latin to a pig just annoys it IME.
[18:51] <reider59> pigs, police lol
[18:51] <nidO> ExeciN, plugged directly into the pi?
[18:52] <reider59> cooking it doesn`t impress it either.....mmmm got some bacon in too
[18:52] <ExeciN> nidO: yes
[18:53] <nidO> check the bottom label, whats its power draw listed as?
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[18:53] <reider59> bacon butties..... better say sandwiches I suppose
[18:53] <Syliss> butties?
[18:53] <Simon-> is your keyboard missing the ' key? :/
[18:54] <D-side> blargh i cant configure wifi
[18:54] <Helldesk> a grammatical error would be something like missing punctuation or such, but mixing their, there, and they're (and so on) is just silly
[18:54] <D-side> what seems like proper syntax isnt taking. :/
[18:54] <reider59> lol, got to him
[18:54] <Helldesk> D-side: lucky you, you've got that far
[18:55] <ExeciN> 70mA
[18:55] <reider59> speke prupper engrish lik wot wii doo
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[18:55] <ExeciN> I also tried it on a Powered USB HUB but it does not work either
[18:55] <D-side> well, i suck. this is my fault
[18:55] <Helldesk> liek dis?
[18:55] <D-side> well the syntax part.
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[18:55] <nidO> ExeciN: yeah if its rated at 70mA power draw shouldn't be an issue
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[18:55] <nidO> does it just not work at all?
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[18:56] <reider59> dyslexics of the world unie......sell your soul to Santa
[18:56] <Helldesk> dyslexic untied... err...
[18:56] <reider59> *untie - dyslexic keyboard
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[18:57] <ExeciN> well I can hardly see the laser working (that's normal) and also the 2 decorative LEDs emitting blue light (which is also normal)
[18:58] <rasp8aa> products with decorative LEDs need to be destroyed
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> rasp8aa: What about xmas trees?
[18:58] <ExeciN> the mouse is working like it should on my Mac so it shouldn't be my mouse's fault.
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[18:58] <rasp8aa> SpeedEvil: xmas trees interfer with my wifi signal
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[19:00] <ExeciN> rasp8aa: I can configure both LEDs to stay off but they help locating the mouse in the dark.
[19:00] <rasp8aa> ExeciN: someone needs to shoot you
[19:00] <rasp8aa> if you're in the dark then turn the light on
[19:01] <ExeciN> rasp8aa: I try to be as eco as possible
[19:02] <rasp8aa> eco doesn't mean tripping over stuff
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[19:03] <ender|> <+rasp8aa> products with decorative LEDs need to be destroyed <- especially if they're blue!
[19:03] <rasp8aa> ender|: Yes, or red, or green, or white
[19:03] <Helldesk> hear hear
[19:03] <ExeciN> I don't trip over stuff. I can see in the dark with just a little light
[19:03] * ender| has a numpad here with an irritating blue led
[19:04] <Helldesk> happily my monitors allow configuring the power led off
[19:04] <ender|> i also have blue leds on my computer case and my cardreader, but at least i could cover those without making them look too ugly
[19:04] <nidO> my lightswitches have blue leds on them
[19:04] <ender|> ugh. i think i've seen such switches
[19:05] <ender|> made me want to rip them out and replace them with normal ones
[19:05] <ExeciN> on such purposes LEDs were supposed to indicate, not to blind you
[19:05] <ender|> unfortunately whoever chooses those LEDs didn't get that memo
[19:06] <rasp8aa> ExeciN: then they wouldn't be decorative
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[19:07] <D-side> bleh. for real, i cant figure this out
[19:07] <D-side> i'm getting annoyed.
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[19:08] <rasp8aa> D-side: give up
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[19:09] <ender|> hah, raspi boots off my ancient 32MB SD card :)
[19:10] <ExeciN> rasp8aa: this http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRV3MR4SNoOzs2xoCEZuz8tivlwxK3JfdijiOryzPMK7uelIa4CHyJ8DUOMdg
[19:10] <ExeciN> rasp8aa: versus this http://drh2.img.digitalriver.com/DRHM/Storefront/Company/razerusa/images/product/gallery/Razer-Imperator-Gallery2.jpg
[19:10] <Limb> ender|: systems on a usb drive or hdd i take it?
[19:10] <Limb> or you just like _bare_ linux? haha
[19:10] <rasp7aa> ExeciN: both equally horrible
[19:10] <ender|> yup
[19:11] <ExeciN> the second doesn't blind you
[19:11] <rasp7aa> yeah it does
[19:11] <ExeciN> nope
[19:11] <rasp7aa> I don't want any bloody leds on my sodding mice
[19:12] <Limb> but it makes it cooolleerrr rasp7aa
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[19:12] <rasp7aa> no
[19:12] <ExeciN> if you "turn the lights on" you just see a faint blue color
[19:12] <rasp7aa> no
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[19:13] <ExeciN> i like my lights off tho
[19:14] <reider59> though...quick before you get nabbed ;-)
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[19:16] <ExeciN> rasp7aa: you cancel your your own statements (turn the light on) (yeah it does)
[19:17] <Scepterr> mlego usb hub almost done
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[19:26] <dwatkins> I'm guessing I need a powered USB hub to use my optical MS mouse...
[19:26] * dwatkins tries a simpler mouse
[19:27] <Marein> Does anyone know about shipping costs of the Rpi to the Netherlands (maybe western Europe in general)?
[19:27] <dwatkins> must have just been the mouse itself, different optical one works fine :)
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[19:28] <Scepterr> lego usb hub addon for my PiMobile :) https://plus.google.com/u/0/106544349933037831956/posts/ftzAfV86MLJ
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[19:30] <D-side> well
[19:30] <D-side> everything's working.
[19:30] <D-side> wifi
[19:30] <D-side> video playback.
[19:30] <D-side> need a case, and i'm done.
[19:30] <D-side> well no.
[19:30] <D-side> a case and a way to use my harmony remote.
[19:31] <Scepterr> lego it up :p
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[19:32] <Scepterr> ive played with legos more in the past 2 days than i have in the past 20+ years lol
[19:34] <D-side> i preordered the stupid "modmypi" case
[19:35] <Scepterr> PiMobile https://plus.google.com/u/0/106544349933037831956/posts/bSaxLhZfX52
[19:35] <dwatkins> woohoo, I have my Pi online and running X with a gigantic resolution :D
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[19:36] <dwatkins> Scepterr: I noticed the board was a tiny bit larger than 7 lego studs
[19:36] <Scepterr> yah annoyingly so
[19:36] <dwatkins> I shall try to make a case with space for 8, as opposed to having it at an angle/squashed
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[19:37] <plugwash> That could work quite well, if you use those bricks that have more than half the width missing in the middle (not sure what they are called offhand
[19:37] <Scepterr> actually its a little over 8
[19:37] <Scepterr> wait no 7
[19:37] <Scepterr> lol
[19:37] <dwatkins> :)
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[19:37] <dwatkins> had me checking there, Scepterr ;)
[19:37] <Scepterr> i flipped mine over to check :p
[19:38] <IT_Sean_> hi
[19:38] <Scepterr> i did use angled bricks on one side
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[19:39] <Scepterr> worked out quite well to hold it in place
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[19:39] <D-side> man this is amazing.
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[19:39] <D-side> but i need a haircut and lunch, so it'll have to be amazing later. afk
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[19:45] <PiGuy> damn. I booted up first time, everything looked good, then it locked up mapping something. I waited about 10 minutes, then powered down and back on. Now I'm not seeing anything else.
[19:45] <PiGuy> PWR light just stays on re
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[19:51] <SSilver2k2> piguy reflash the card
[19:51] <rasp7aa> PiGuy: sounds like you broke it, you'll have to go buy another
[19:52] <PiGuy> ha, that should be in just about in time for Christmas at this rate
[19:52] <PiGuy> All I did was plug it in. Never even got to the prompt
[19:52] <PiGuy> I will try reflashing the card though
[19:53] <OmIkRoNiXz> PiGuy same trouble with my Pi :)
[19:53] <OmIkRoNiXz> booted with errors once and now tried 5 differend microSD/SD cards cant boot again :)
[19:54] <PiGuy> OmIkRoNiXz - did you et yours working ever a 2nd time?
[19:54] <OmIkRoNiXz> nope
[19:54] <OmIkRoNiXz> tried different sds/psus and etc
[19:54] <OmIkRoNiXz> just pwr led and feint sd led
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[19:55] <OmIkRoNiXz> faint*
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[19:56] <OmIkRoNiXz> and first boot was from microSD class 10 card not listed in verified
[19:56] <PiGuy> If I try without an SD, will at show anything on screen?
[19:56] <OmIkRoNiXz> nope
[19:56] <PiGuy> what kind of power supply did you use?
[19:57] <OmIkRoNiXz> from archos tablet 5V 2A
[19:57] <OmIkRoNiXz> tried from PC molex 5V, tried just USB and etc :)
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[19:59] <OmIkRoNiXz> tried to flash sds on windows, linux with different adapters and etc :)
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[20:04] <ratherDashing> i just got a powered usb hub, solved all my usb problems
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[20:05] <OmIkRoNiXz> it seems my problem is not with power
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> With power comes great stability.
[20:06] <ratherDashing> yeah i had bluetooth and a powered usb hard drive, i thought it would have been fine, i was wrong
[20:06] <DubLo7> Did you get yours working?
[20:06] <ratherDashing> $13 later on monoprice, 7 port usb hub, everything works great
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[20:07] <DubLo7> Wait you power it from a USB hub? I thought it said not to do that. PS usb only
[20:07] <ratherDashing> yeah i power from the same usb hub that i use as my hub :)
[20:07] <ratherDashing> it's a powered hub, you have to plug power into it, it works great
[20:08] <mythos> as long as it works?
[20:08] <ExeciN> when I plug my Powered USB hub on my Rpi, it turns the Rpi on (without the micro USB plugged). Is that normal or my powered USB hub is really cheap in quality?
[20:08] <ratherDashing> yeah the pi just draws power out of the micro usb so it doesn't get all weird doing that
[20:08] <ratherDashing> ExeciN: i don't think that can happen, check again
[20:09] <ratherDashing> I would assume there are diodes on the usb plugs to prevent feedback like that
[20:10] <mythos> the client would power the host... that would really out of specs
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[20:11] <ExeciN> I'll check it again later but I think that it happened as I said.
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[20:12] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=6027&p=95927#p95927
[20:15] <DubLo7> What was the mapping issue warning it was stuck on the first time? Does anyone know what it was trying to do?
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[20:21] <Cheery> Did raspberry pi have additional audio port in their pins?
[20:21] <D-side> pins? no
[20:21] <IT_Sean> in the GPIO? No. There are two audio outputs. the analog out headphone jack, and the digital audio out in the HDMI port
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[20:24] <DubLo7> Tried with another PS. 2.1 amps 5v, but still just a red light. I'll have to find another sd card or start looking for an RMA
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[20:29] <PHahrrgis> I spilled a bowl of scalding hot oatmeal all over my foot.
[20:29] <dwatkins> DubLo7: that's what I get if I remove my sdcard, so it may just be the card itself, yes
[20:29] <ReggieUK> PHahrrgis, that's ok, shouldn't affect the pi
[20:29] <dwatkins> ouch, PHahrrgis
[20:29] <PHahrrgis> that's good to know
[20:29] <PHahrrgis> I was worried
[20:31] <PHahrrgis> I wasn't sure how hardware decoding was affected by the proximity of hot oat substance
[20:32] <DubLo7> what the hell - it's working now. I went outside to get the mail and I have a login prompt
[20:33] <DubLo7> It was dead for about 10 minutes at least with just the red light
[20:33] <dwatkins> perhaps the sdcard wasn't all the way in?
[20:33] <DubLo7> I don't know. I literally was outside and came in to a working system
[20:34] <dwatkins> problem solved :)
[20:34] <DubLo7> no one touched it??? knock on wood :)
[20:34] <DubLo7> we'll chalk this up to stage fright
[20:34] <dwatkins> is openelec 2.0 beta 4 the latest, or is there some newer version not on their website I can try?
[20:34] <ReggieUK> try rebooting
[20:34] <ReggieUK> and observing it for 10minutes
[20:34] <ExeciN> I want to type and move the mouse pointer from my phone. Should I go with VNC or remote X? (I just want to use my phone as keyboard/mouse through the network, I don't care about watching the interface on my phone)
[20:35] <ReggieUK> if you have a usb to serial device, and it's 3.3v IO, connect that to the serial pins on the gpio header and see what it says
[20:35] <ReggieUK> that was for DubLo7
[20:36] <DubLo7> ReggieUK - It might be my keyboard. I have a wireless keyboard and it's duplicating every keypress as if I was holding the key down. I can't login
[20:36] <DubLo7> I have a multimeter, but no usb to serial
[20:37] <sraue> dwatkins, the latest builds for RPi you find at http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/ they are more recent then beta 4. but the RPi builds are not part of the stable builds
[20:37] <dwatkins> ah I see, thanks sraue :)
[20:37] <Scepterr> DubLo7: how close is the kb to receiver
[20:39] <DubLo7> ~6 inches to 1 foot
[20:40] <ReggieUK> DubLo7, sounds more like a power issue
[20:40] <ReggieUK> test the voltage across tp1 and tp2
[20:40] <D-side> so
[20:40] <D-side> now i just need to control this thing with my harmony remote
[20:41] <D-side> and i'm gtg
[20:41] <DubLo7> ReggieUK - 4.88V
[20:41] <DubLo7> that's with keyboard removed
[20:41] <bttf> does the pi have a hard drive?
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> No.
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> SD card only. (which is not included)
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[20:42] <ReggieUK> what about with the keyboard plugged in?
[20:42] <bttf> ah ok
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> You can in principle connect an exterenally powered hard drive
[20:44] <dirty_d> bootc, great success
[20:44] <DubLo7> ReggieUK - 4.87V - almost no difference, but tended to be slightly less
[20:44] <DubLo7> That's with the same wireless keyboard. I'll check the kybd batteries
[20:45] <D-side> hm anyone use an IR usb thing w/ their rpi ?
[20:46] <DubLo7> Brand new batteries = same effect. As if the keyboard keys were held down. Microsoft Arc keyboard if it matters. Going to go get a normal usb keyboard and try again
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[20:48] <DubLo7> Can't believe this, but all my keyboards are PS2. Everything else is a laptop, netbook or tablet.
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[20:50] <DubLo7> Rebooting to see if it goes away on it's own
[20:51] <DubLo7> powered back up??? let's see how long it takes to wake up
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[20:58] <bootc> dirty_d: :-)
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[21:01] <rigel> hi
[21:01] <rigel> i just got my rpi
[21:01] <rigel> im wondering if cups and a webserver with some PHP will be too much for it to handle
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[21:03] <mjr> "Some php" sounds vague. Otherwise, no.
[21:03] <rigel> yeah, it does doesnt it
[21:04] <rigel> i wanted to run an ampache instance
[21:04] <rigel> though that might also require some music playback
[21:04] <DubLo7> 12 minutes and still no boot up. Guess I will try another sd card
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[21:04] <rigel> DubLo7: how are you prepping the sd card
[21:05] <rigel> i ran into some problems last night that were just me being a dolt
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[21:06] <mjr> As for music playback, realize that the analog audio is on the low quality side of things. If you can use the HDMI, fine, or get a USB audio thingy.
[21:06] <blkhawk> hmm
[21:06] <zgreg> the audio quality isn't actually that bad in my experience
[21:06] <blkhawk> can one just extract the audio fromm hdmi?
[21:07] <blkhawk> is it digital?
[21:07] <zgreg> it's possible, but not easy or cheap
[21:07] <zgreg> yes, hdmi audio is digital
[21:07] <blkhawk> ah
[21:07] <blkhawk> so no easy mechanical adapter posible
[21:07] <blkhawk> makes sense
[21:08] <DubLo7> rigel - I used dd on OSX in the default SD card reader port
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[21:08] <DubLo7> I verified the checksum using sha
[21:08] <rigel> DubLo7: ok, im on linux but this may not apply to you
[21:08] <rigel> i just assumed, find the device that comes up, dd the image to that device
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[21:08] <rigel> but the device that comes up is a partition, not the disk device
[21:09] <rigel> i.e. i was writing ti /dev/mmcblk0p1 when i should have been writing to /dev/mmcblk0
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[21:10] <rigel> but once i changed that everything was fine, even with an off-brand possibly-bad no-name chinese microsd card with an sd adapter
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[21:11] <rigel> hopefully that is helpful in some way
[21:11] <DubLo7> Maybe??? now that it's formatted it's not showing up to OSX at all any more
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[21:12] <DubLo7> although it did boot up once after a 10 minute wait. Now 20 minutes later it's not working again
[21:12] <rigel> yeah i dont know anything about osx
[21:12] <DubLo7> It's a dane electric 4gb if labels are to be believed. From k-mart not ebay. :)
[21:12] <nidO> rigel ampache should be no problem, among many things that've been running on my pi are a full lamp install + MySQL, along with ownCloud, whose music playback works flawlessly (and runs ampache)
[21:13] <rigel> awesome
[21:13] <chaoshax> owncloud was slow for me
[21:13] <nidO> owncloud's interface isnt particularly speedy but it works fine, and music playback is perfect
[21:13] <chaoshax> Mine was very slow, unusable for me.
[21:13] <chaoshax> And this was with mysql on another server
[21:14] <nidO> that said, my pi is slightly overclocked (to 800mhz) and the os's rootfs is loading over iscsi rather than an sd card
[21:14] <rigel> nidO: what what? howto pls
[21:14] <nidO> rigel i've done a full iscsi guide, sec
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[21:15] <nidO> http://elinux.org/RPi_iSCSI_Initiator
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[21:16] <rigel> and theres no jvm yet huh?
[21:16] <rigel> i wanted to put my davmail instance on it too, but i guess ill have to fumble with making a python translation this summer
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[21:18] <zgreg> technically 800 MHz isn't an overclock
[21:20] <mjr> what is it then, merely spesifying an operating frequency that is over the default? ;]
[21:20] <zgreg> bc2835 is specified for 800 MHz
[21:20] <zgreg> *bcm2835
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[21:25] <D-side> news that shoud surprise no one: buffering issues w/ wifi and 1080p content
[21:26] <Simon-> it doesn't have wifi
[21:26] <rigel> i get buffering issues with N wifi and 1080p content on my laptop
[21:26] <chaoshax> Wifi will struggle with 1080p on most machines
[21:26] <D-side> eh
[21:26] <rigel> so i am not surprised that 100mbps also struggles
[21:26] <D-side> it goes for every 4-5min
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[21:27] <D-side> and zero issues over 100mbit
[21:27] <D-side> well
[21:27] <D-side> 100mbit wired
[21:27] <D-side> i wonder wht speed i'm associated at
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[21:28] <zgreg> unfortunately ethernet tx is also quite slow and inefficient
[21:28] <D-side> zero problems w/ wired ethernet
[21:28] <zgreg> the smsc95xx is just a POS, apparently
[21:28] <D-side> well
[21:29] <D-side> its still in on the usb bus
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[21:29] <D-side> its not really a surprise
[21:29] <zgreg> that's not the most pressing issue
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[21:29] <zgreg> the issue is in how USB communication is implemented
[21:29] <D-side> okay
[21:29] <D-side> i believe that
[21:29] <zgreg> for transmission (tx) each ethernet frame needs to be transported in a single USB packets
[21:29] <zgreg> USB packets can be up to 64 KB big
[21:30] <axiomsofchoice> afternoon all. I'm trying to compile some v4l kernel modules but have run into issues with i2c drivers that are causing the build to fail
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[21:30] <axiomsofchoice> specifically " error: implicit declaration of function 'i2c_smbus_read_word_data'"
[21:30] <D-side> so wait
[21:30] <zgreg> that's why the pi struggles to send out data at 100 mbps rate, and even if it succeeds to do so, this will use a lot of CPU cycles
[21:30] <axiomsofchoice> anyone able to help work out how to resolve
[21:30] <axiomsofchoice> ?
[21:30] <rasp7aa> my pi has reached a day
[21:30] <D-side> zgreg: so each ether frame is
[21:30] <zgreg> however, reception is MUCH more efficiently implemented for whatever reason
[21:30] <D-side> zgreg: ugh
[21:31] <D-side> luckily rx is the more important thing
[21:31] <D-side> or i should say
[21:31] <D-side> in my usage scenario
[21:31] <zgreg> the chip implements a "turbo mode" for reception only that bundles many frames into one packet
[21:31] <zgreg> well, it heavily depends on the application I'd say :)
[21:31] <zgreg> for the NAS people it's very bad
[21:31] <D-side> lol
[21:31] <D-side> indeed
[21:31] <D-side> i've got darkelec on it right now for xbmc
[21:32] <D-side> its amazing until i try the 1080p content with my usb wifi nic
[21:32] <D-side> and then its amazing for 4 minutes, pauses for 10-15 seconds
[21:32] <D-side> repeat
[21:32] <zgreg> my experience with iperf is that reception has no trouble fully saturating the link and there's still about 50% cpu idle
[21:32] <zgreg> but, transmission struggles and only gets up to about 80 mbps, with full cpu load
[21:33] <D-side> transmission on a pi
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[21:33] <D-side> yeah
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[21:33] <D-side> i bet
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[21:33] <zgreg> D-side: lol
[21:33] <D-side> 80mbit is still pretty impressive
[21:33] <D-side> considering pps and number of connections
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[21:33] <zgreg> huh?
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> hi
[21:34] <zgreg> I'm not talking about the bittorrent app transmission
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[21:34] <D-side> OH.
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[21:34] <rasp7aa> hi
[21:34] <zgreg> I mean raw tcp transmission over a TCP socket
[21:34] <D-side> lol duh
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> well. 100 people are now fed and watered and waddling round venue number 3 in newton abbot...
[21:34] <D-side> i'm smarter than that, oops
[21:34] <zgreg> and for that scenario, 80 mbps and the CPU fully loaded is not great at all
[21:34] <D-side> agreed
[21:35] <D-side> i need a damn IR usb "thing"
[21:35] <D-side> so i can use an IR remote with this
[21:35] <zgreg> why usb?
[21:35] <D-side> uhm
[21:35] <D-side> fair point
[21:35] <D-side> can i get it via gpio?
[21:36] <zgreg> yes, but that requires some work on drivers, of course
[21:36] <D-side> see now there's a reason for usb
[21:36] <D-side> i'm looking for quick and dirty, as little work as possible
[21:37] <D-side> lol well that's not encouraging.
[21:37] <D-side> nothing under the USB IR receivers section in the HCL
[21:38] <zgreg> well, something very similar to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddAnInfraredReceiverAndTransmitterWithLIRC would work on a pi
[21:38] <Simon-> that would make sense if the USB was decent :(
[21:38] <Simon-> but there are spi and i2c drivers now
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> we appear to have had a pwoer cut longer than my UPSs last for )-: That's a bother.
[21:39] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: Ahah, so my uptime is longer than yours now?
[21:39] <rigel> if you look at the lirc website there are some plans for super simple (like 3 components) IR receivers
[21:39] <rigel> that will work with lirc
[21:40] <bootc> axiomsofchoice: lo
[21:40] <bootc> 20:28 <+axiomsofchoice> specifically " error: implicit declaration of function 'i2c_smbus_read_word_data'"
[21:40] <bootc> how are you getting that?
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, only my home/office systems :) I still have this: 20:38:39 up 1320 days, 22:44, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[21:40] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: I just reached a day,
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[21:41] <GabrialDestruir> I'm seriously starting to regret trying to switch to Kalyhost as a web host. -sighs-
[21:41] <axiomsofchoice> bootc: thanks for helping. I'm trying to build v4l as per: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_Obtain,_Build_and_Install_V4L-DVB_Device_Drivers
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> right. quick change then off to the evening 'do' for the wedding we just catered for - lets see if the evening food is anywhere as oogd as our afternoon stuff :)
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> laters!
[21:41] <bootc> axiomsofchoice: can you pastebin a few more lines before that error?
[21:41] <axiomsofchoice> bootc: just a sec...
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> bootc, much chat soon - I now have some i2c and spi devices I can talk to from my Pi... but not tonight!
[21:42] <bootc> gordonDrogon: :-)
[21:43] <axiomsofchoice> bootc: https://gist.github.com/2902291
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[21:44] <jumpkick> axiomsofchoice: I played with v4l earlier with a USB webcam -> steaming??? the results were not good :(
[21:44] <bootc> axiomsofchoice: what module is this you're trying to build? it's clearly something out of the normal linux kernel source
[21:45] <axiomsofchoice> jumpkick: could you actually get it build tho?
[21:45] <jumpkick> axiomsofchoice: I didn't need to build it, it was already there
[21:45] <bootc> axiomsofchoice: most v4l drivers should be built as part of a kernel - the 'official' kernel is missing most of them though
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[21:46] <bootc> so first you need to find out if you have to use an out-of-tree driver, and if you don't you need to build / get a kernel that includes the driver
[21:46] <jumpkick> found some if it in /usr/lib/libv4l
[21:46] <bootc> Are you using Debian image?
[21:47] <jumpkick> yes
[21:47] <ReggieUK> what's teh device you're trying to install drivers for
[21:47] <ReggieUK> lets start with that!
[21:47] <axiomsofchoice> jumpkick: well plugging in my usb video capture card I don't see any devices at /dev/video*
[21:47] <jumpkick> axiomsofchoice: does it show up on lsusb? lsmod?
[21:48] <axiomsofchoice> jumpkick: yes
[21:48] <axiomsofchoice> for both
[21:48] <bootc> axiomsofchoice: (1) are you using the Debian image? (2) run lsusb and post the output
[21:48] <bootc> (with your device plugged-in of course)
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[21:49] <bootc> axiomsofchoice: oh it shows up in lsmod? then your modules are built and you don't need to build them again
[21:49] <jumpkick> the point I was going to make, is if you are capturing any significant amount of data (usb bandwidth), it will probably crap out on you...
[21:49] <jumpkick> I get less then 5 seconds before it dies
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[21:49] <jumpkick> same USB cam works fine on my Core2 desktop though
[21:49] <axiomsofchoice> bootc: 1) yes and 2) https://gist.github.com/2902320
[21:50] <jumpkick> which one is the capture device?
[21:50] <bootc> was just about to ask that
[21:50] <ReggieUK> none of them
[21:50] <axiomsofchoice> device 005
[21:50] <bootc> Bus 001 Device 005: ID eb1a:2861 eMPIA Technology, Inc.
[21:50] <ReggieUK> axiomsofchoice, do lsusb
[21:50] <bootc> that one?
[21:50] <DubLo7> after seating / unseating the SD card a few times my pi finally boots every time very fast
[21:50] <ReggieUK> oh whoops
[21:50] <axiomsofchoice> bootc: yes
[21:51] <ReggieUK> so the usb is finding it but the modules aren't loaded
[21:51] <DubLo7> don't know if it's a bad solder join or what
[21:51] <jumpkick> axiomsofchoice: does it work on a full linux desktop?
[21:51] <DubLo7> still need to get a better keyboard though. Can't type with the wireless one I have
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[21:52] <axiomsofchoice> ReggieUK: so is there a way to check if the modules are actually present on the system at all?
[21:52] <bootc> axiomsofchoice: ah OK, that's the 'em28xx' module
[21:52] <axiomsofchoice> jumpkick: I don't have another machine to try it right here
[21:52] <ReggieUK> essentially, they should be
[21:52] <axiomsofchoice> bootc: right
[21:52] <ReggieUK> as the drivers for that easycap board have been built in to 10.04 ubuntu
[21:52] <bootc> I don't even build that into my kernel right now, but I don't see a reason why I couldn't
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[21:53] <bootc> axiomsofchoice: if you can hang on until tomorrow, I'll try to build a newer kernel with that driver built as a module for you
[21:53] <bootc> but please remind me or I'll forget
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[21:53] <axiomsofchoice> bootc: awesome :)
[21:53] <DubLo7> axiomofchoice - lsmod? or check /proc/modules?
[21:53] <DubLo7> not sure - I can't login to mine, but that works on normal linux modules
[21:54] <axiomsofchoice> DubLo7: tried looking at the output of lsmod https://gist.github.com/2902320
[21:54] <ReggieUK> actually, you should be able to extract the .config of your kernel image I think
[21:55] <axiomsofchoice> ReggieUK: if by that you mean: gzip -dc /proc/config.gz > .config I altready did that
[21:55] <ReggieUK> cool, pastebin the result :)
[21:55] <axiomsofchoice> what, the .config file?
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[21:57] <ReggieUK> axiomsofchoice, yes
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[22:00] <axiomsofchoice> ReggieUK: hold on, it's slightly more invovled as it's a bit too big to screen scrape
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[22:03] <axiomsofchoice> ReggieUK: https://gist.github.com/2902372
[22:03] <axiomsofchoice> my .config ^^
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[22:07] <ratherDashing> any idea why vchiq permissions always get screwy when i reboot?
[22:07] <ratherDashing> I always have to chmod a+rw after i reboot or else audio/video doesn't work
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[22:14] <ReggieUK> axiomsofchoice, no the whole video for linux subsystem is missing from that config
[22:16] <ReggieUK> there are some v4l drivers compiled into debian for pi
[22:16] <ReggieUK> but not sure whether it includes the chip on your card
[22:16] <axiomsofchoice> ReggieUK: well at least that explains why the device wasn't showing up under /dev/video*
[22:16] <Helldesk> this is getting a tad annoying
[22:16] <bootc> axiomsofchoice: I actually have a kernel building right now with that module included
[22:16] <chaoshax> Has anyone got an easycap working on the pi?
[22:16] <Helldesk> got the raspberry pi online and updated, and had to reboot
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[22:17] <axiomsofchoice> bootc
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[22:17] <axiomsofchoice> cool
[22:17] <Helldesk> I've got a cheapo clone "easycap" here, I might try it one day
[22:17] <chaoshax> Helldesk, Yes because it has linux drivers.
[22:17] <chaoshax> I don't see why it should not work apart from lag
[22:17] <Helldesk> it's one of those ebay thingies with a basically broken audio side
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[22:17] <Helldesk> yeah, it will probably be a bit much for the pi
[22:18] <axiomsofchoice> chaoshax Helldesk that's basically what I've been tying to get working
[22:18] <Helldesk> or I dunno...
[22:18] <chaoshax> I was thinking recording might be fine without preview.
[22:18] <chaoshax> That's all I need it for really.
[22:18] <Helldesk> if we had the hardware video encoding licensed on our raspberries, it would work quite nicely I suspect
[22:19] <Helldesk> I wonder how much it would cost to get that licence
[22:19] <D-side> i guess i need a cheap RF keyboard for now.
[22:19] <ReggieUK> if you bought h264 outputting capture devices you wouldn't have to whine about licenses ;)
[22:19] <Helldesk> damn
[22:19] <Helldesk> tried to power up too soon
[22:19] <Helldesk> I'll wait another three minutes...
[22:20] <ReggieUK> ?
[22:20] <chaoshax> Happens for me.
[22:20] <chaoshax> You have to wait a couple of mins before reboot
[22:21] <ReggieUK> it shouldn't
[22:21] <ReggieUK> there is obviously something not right somewhere
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[22:21] <chaoshax> It doesn't bother me
[22:23] <axiomsofchoice> chaoshax: sounds like you might have a dodgy psu?
[22:23] <chaoshax> Could be, I use my tablet charger.
[22:23] <chaoshax> I need to get a pc power supply soon anyway.
[22:24] <chaoshax> So will just wear one of those up
[22:25] <D-side> i'm about to ask a dumb question
[22:26] <D-side> why is this only showing me 128MB ram available?
[22:26] <D-side> gpu?
[22:26] <nidO> yes
[22:26] <D-side> and done
[22:26] <D-side> thanks
[22:26] <nidO> you're on the max video split which allocates half the available mem to gpu
[22:26] <chaoshax> So has anyone converted to rasbian then>?
[22:26] <D-side> any docs or wiki/forum thread about this so i dont have to bother people?
[22:27] <zgreg> hmm, farnell's paper box isn't so bad as a case
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[22:28] <D-side> i tried powering the rpi off a usb port on the tv
[22:28] <D-side> that worked uh
[22:28] <D-side> great w/ wired ethernet
[22:28] <D-side> not so great with a usb wifi nic attached
[22:28] <D-side> (not news to anyone, but figured i'd try)
[22:28] <chaoshax> Drawing relatively high currents from TVs etc is not particularly advised.
[22:29] <nidO> fwiw my pi runs flawlessly, with wifi, from a front panel usb port on my workstation
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[22:29] <D-side> nidO: newer workstation?
[22:29] <chaoshax> Can damage them beyond repair.
[22:29] <D-side> some of them can pump more power out than other devices
[22:29] <D-side> chaoshax: understandable
[22:29] <cehteh> some have old style fuses which just die, ...
[22:29] <rasp7aa> chaoshax: That only usually applies to "service ports"
[22:30] <nidO> yeah they are high power capable ports, but assuming you have *only* a wifi nic plugged in a standard 500mA port should be in the ballpark of the right amount
[22:30] <D-side> huh thats also a fair point, and this is NOT one of the service ports
[22:30] <D-side> in fact i've powered a usb hdd off it, so in retrospect this should be working fine
[22:30] <D-side> nidO: looking to go pick up an RF keyboard as well. that seems like it should be pretty low power
[22:31] <chaoshax> Just get of those >1A phone chargers.
[22:31] <nidO> yeah, the only power draw is the rf dongle which will be much lower than most keyboards
[22:31] <D-side> and that's also a fair point. i shoudl try this again.
[22:31] <D-side> if i can get this to work by solely plugging into the tv, that'd be fun.
[22:32] <chaoshax> You can get 5000mah lipos fairly cheaply as well.
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[22:37] <bootc> axiomsofchoice: http://www.bootc.net/raspberrypi/linux-image-3.2.19-rpi1+_1_armel.deb
[22:38] <bootc> usual disclaimers apply
[22:38] <chaoshax> So v4l is not working yet?
[22:38] * Xark_ boots his RPi on a USB battery (2000 mAh x2 up to w/1A 5v output). I'm curious how long it lasts...
[22:38] <chaoshax> Xark_, Simple maths.
[22:39] <axiomsofchoice> bootc: thanks I'll give it a go right now
[22:39] <chaoshax> 4ish hours
[22:39] <chaoshax> Maybe more.
[22:39] <Xark_> chaoshax: Cool. I'll see how close I get to that in the "real world".
[22:39] <chaoshax> Yes because I would say you draw 500ma-1000mah.
[22:40] <chaoshax> All you have to be careful about is the voltage dropping off near the end of life.
[22:40] <mjr> I doubt the 2000mAh is at 5V
[22:40] <chaoshax> Probably isn't, though if it's off a 2s battery couldn't that go under 5v?
[22:40] <Xark_> mjr: No that is the batteries.
[22:40] <chaoshax> Well then you should be careful, it might drop a bit.
[22:41] <cehteh> bootc: did you include any patches/improvements for the SD Card performance?
[22:42] <cehteh> i applied them to my 3.2kernel which works great for me, but i dont know if these are stable enough for others
[22:42] * Xark_ notes this is his battery -> http://www.amazon.com/Sony-CP-A2LS-Portable-Charger-Battery/dp/B005XJWR5O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339274445&sr=8-1
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[22:45] <cehteh> bootc: http://greg.kinoho.net/rpi-sd.tar.gz (0001 is already in 3.2)
[22:45] <McGooch> Been out of the loop for a while, have any new SD images come out recently?
[22:46] <Markavian> not for debian I don't think
[22:46] <Markavian> but... idk, still getting to grips with the vanilla edition
[22:46] <cehteh> rpi_update and apt-get update/upgrade to the job anyways
[22:46] <Markavian> brb, shutting down to rewire my desk
[22:47] <Markavian> cool
[22:48] <Markavian> I'd forgotten about those
[22:48] <Markavian> sound driver is still being crashy on me
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[22:49] <GabrialDestruir> My openelec system has had an uptime of two days. ^_^
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[22:51] <reider59> there are some beta Fedora 17 files for RPi
[22:51] <bootc> cehteh: yeah that kernel includes the revert
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[22:52] <TechJeeper> *yawn* whats up pi'rs
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[22:53] <svenstaro> waiting for mah pi
[22:54] <TechJeeper> Sell ya mine for 150 bucks :P jussssst kidding
[22:54] <TechJeeper> *ducks the Ban Hammer* :P
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[22:55] <TechJeeper> Yay for CM9 Nightlies (Android)
[22:55] <reider59> Just passed my spare code on today and even at over a week old it worked, thankfully
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[22:57] <reider59> I need to look at the Android stuff again this weekend, see if they have any updates to the FnC Roms, CM9/7 not quite up to scratch yet for my phone
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[22:58] <TechJeeper> I was lucky I bought the NS4G, stable ICS roms out for it (was first to push OTA)
[22:59] <reider59> I tried ICS on mine, just the Cam and GPS to sort I think, close but not quite there
[22:59] <TechJeeper> What phone?
[22:59] <TechJeeper> They figured the Cam out on alot of phones, within the past couple weeks
[23:00] <adekto> anyone knows somting about farnels development on the next shipment of the pi's?
[23:00] <reider59> just a cheapy....San Francisco II, Crescent phone
[23:00] <TechJeeper> :P
[23:00] <reider59> Not the Blade II as some incorrectly term it
[23:01] <TechJeeper> We need to adopt a "First rule about RaspPi, don't ask about delivery dates" :P
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[23:01] <axiomsofchoice> bootc: I was able to install that .deb using sudo dpkg -i linux-image-3.2.19-rpi1+_1_armel.deb but on reboot I'm not actually should it's booting into the new kernel image
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[23:02] <reider59> Good phone though and overclocks OK
[23:02] <bootc> axiomsofchoice: you have to copy /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.19-rpi1+ to /boot/kernel.img
[23:02] <bootc> and make sure your firmware is up to date or it won't boot at all
[23:03] <axiomsofchoice> bootc: I think is was updated about a week ago but I'll check the procedure on the wiki first
[23:03] <bootc> well if it's a week old it should be fine
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[23:04] <axiomsofchoice> at the time I ran: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[23:05] <bootc> should be fine
[23:05] <bootc> just copy it over (keep the old kernel.img just to be sure though) and reboot
[23:05] <axiomsofchoice> I'm assuming those changes persist on the board itself rather than just the sd card, as I've swpped that a couple of times
[23:06] <bootc> no the firmware is loaded off the SD card every boot
[23:07] <ratherDashing> bootc: yeah and it's from fat32 so it's really easy to update to whatever img someone flashed on
[23:07] <bootc> yup
[23:08] <ratherDashing> looking at my /boot/ partition it seems the lastest one i flashed on was jun 5th
[23:08] <ratherDashing> i dunno if that's up-to-date but i believe i rpi-update everyday at like 2am or somin
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[23:13] <cehteh> imo it makes only sense to update the firmware if you have problems with it
[23:14] <bootc> cehteh: well considering the RPi's firmware is just files on an SD card and impossible to brick your Pi with an upgrade, I can't see what the issue is
[23:14] <bootc> but when you're talking BIOS firmware or similar then yes, I'd be inlined to agree
[23:14] <cehteh> yes
[23:14] <cehteh> but there will be no improvement if the old on worked for you
[23:15] <jra___> there could be performance improvements
[23:15] <ratherDashing> yeah the SD card is ver much underperforming an the alsa driver plainly sucks
[23:15] <cehteh> bootc: btw i am thinking about a very minimalistic linux kernel as bootloader using kexec (just a brainfart so far)
[23:15] <ratherDashing> i can't believe someone would think it's 100% functional rigt now
[23:16] <bootc> cehteh: people have been down that road and run into brick walls
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[23:16] <ratherDashing> bash scripts, that's how i dual boot :)
[23:16] <ratherDashing> shuffle kernels and config files
[23:16] <bootc> we ran into a couple of issues, one was something we could work around with a kernel patch that's now included and the other is to do with the VideoCore and needs a firmware patch
[23:16] <cehteh> kexec seems not be that simple right? .. you have to initialize the gpu properly
[23:17] <bootc> right, except the GPU firmware doesn't like being initialised twice
[23:17] <cehteh> eek
[23:17] <axiomsofchoice> rpi-update is taking way longer to exit than I remember
[23:17] <ratherDashing> in top, do you have a lot of "wa" %?
[23:17] <cehteh> i am having problems with plain reboot .. just doesnt reboot most of the time
[23:17] <ratherDashing> cehteh: what distro? what command to reboot?
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[23:18] <cehteh> 'reboot' and debian
[23:18] <bootc> cehteh: which kernel?
[23:18] <cehteh> (and custom kernel) .. from bootc with the SDCard patches i noted earlier
[23:18] <ratherDashing> i think reboot just does a shutdown -r right? ar eyou doing it as root or sudo?
[23:18] <bootc> ah right fair enough
[23:18] <cehteh> but iirc it didnt booted with the stock kernel either
[23:19] <bootc> the kernel reboot code should use the watchdog to trigger a reboot, not sure if the 3.2 one does that as it's a straight port from the 3.1 code
[23:19] <bootc> I know our dev kernel does and that seems to work
[23:19] <cehteh> btw i noted yesterday already that i getting decent performance from the sd card meanwhile 25/32 Mb/sec read/write
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> megabits?
[23:20] <ReggieUK> no MB
[23:20] <cehteh> bytes
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> bytes seems high
[23:20] <cehteh> yes .. i am happy :)
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> I diddn't think that was a valid mode
[23:20] <cehteh> thats more than i expected
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> (at 3.3v)
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> Or is that after patching invalid stuff
[23:20] <ReggieUK> no what he means is that it actually seems a higher speed than the bus speed is capable of cehteh
[23:20] <cehteh> uhs is 3.3v and the card is advertized as 45mbyte/sec
[23:21] <ReggieUK> not all uhs is 3.3v
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> UHS is 1.8V at >50MHz (25Mb/s)
[23:21] <ReggieUK> indeed
[23:21] <cehteh> ah
[23:21] <cehteh> well works for me
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> what card
[23:21] <cehteh> SanDisk Extreme 16GB
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> In principle going too fast at 3.3V mode could cause the regulator on the card to overheat, and bad things happen to your data.
[23:22] <ReggieUK> that's the point though
[23:22] <cehteh> clocked at 25mhz not 50
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: No, it's not.
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: there are 4 wires.
[23:23] <axiomsofchoice> bootc: progress! can has /dev/video0 :)
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> you don't get 32 megabytes/s over 4 wires without using >65MHz clock
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> or so
[23:23] <bootc> axiomsofchoice: excellent!
[23:23] <ReggieUK> or 8 wires
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> (4 data wires)
[23:24] * bootc pushes his rpi-3.2.19 branch to GitHub, a kernel post can wait until tomorrow until I actually boot that kernel myself :-D
[23:24] <ReggieUK> not only that though, the first patch in that set cehteh, effectively makes sure that the driver doesn't go higher than 50Mhz I believe
[23:24] <cehteh> i dont care .. it works reliable for now .. if it dies i give it back its warranty and i buyed it from a big electronics store, they prolly dont ask if a customer turns something defective back (as long there are no burn marks :))
[23:24] <ReggieUK> tsk
[23:24] <ReggieUK> tsk
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> How did you measure it?
[23:24] <ReggieUK> tsk
[23:25] <reider59> task?
[23:25] <cehteh> dd and hdparm
[23:25] <cehteh> dd if=/dev/zero of=deleteme bs=1M count=1024 conv=fdatasync is quite reliable for write tests
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> generally
[23:26] <ReggieUK> that sd driver needs dbg defining
[23:27] <ReggieUK> then people might actually be able to get a sensible idea of what the driver is doing
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[23:27] <ReggieUK> from there they can work out whether the numbers are actually true that are being spat out by various devices
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[23:28] <cehteh> SD protocol is a can of worms .. outside its 'SD' and inside it can be about a dozen different things :)
[23:28] <ReggieUK> I've got a microsd card in a reader, windows says 20MB/s reads, ubuntu hdparm says 4.45mb, same card in pi wiht original drivers says 4.49MB/s, patched drivers say 10.4MB/s
[23:28] <ReggieUK> which one is correct
[23:28] <cehteh> and its negotiated by software and human interpretation of some standard papers
[23:29] <cehteh> prolly all are correct
[23:29] <cehteh> every one accesses it in some different way
[23:30] <cehteh> can you read the parameters how the sd card/protocol is configured from /sys somehere?
[23:31] <ReggieUK> one of those is definitely wrong
[23:32] <ReggieUK> 20mb/s is impossible according to the tran_speed bytes from teh CSD bits
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> you can read the card information parameters from /sys
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> ^a bus speed of 20mb/s
[23:32] <ReggieUK> cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/mmc*/csd
[23:33] <ReggieUK> bus speed of the card is 25Mhz
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[23:33] <SpeedEvil> bus speed of say 25Mb/s and card only doing 20Mb/s is quite possible
[23:33] <cehteh> 400e00325b59000076b27f800a404000
[23:33] <cehteh> whatever .. it works :)
[23:34] <D-side> sorta customized darkelec working with wifi, powered off TV usb port
[23:34] <D-side> xbmc remote on my iphone. i'm nearly done here
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> working outside the spec may mean it's less reliable for others, without an explicit 'overclock' flag
[23:34] <ReggieUK> 32 is apparently 25Mhz card clock speed
[23:34] <cehteh> yes, primarly i am doing this for myself . i am not kernel expert and dont know the sd specs well enouhg
[23:34] <ReggieUK> 40-0e-00-32 <--- thats the tran_speed 'byte'
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> Overclocking the SD bus to invalid speeds may be interesting in principle though.
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[23:35] <ReggieUK> indeed but probably unwise at this stage if you're not sure what you're doing and with other unstable drivers etc. knocking around
[23:35] <cehteh> not a single error so far (bus, filesystem, whatever)
[23:36] <cehteh> yes it needs some review
[23:36] <cehteh> i remember back when i had this laptop new there where some similar problems
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[23:36] <ReggieUK> the ideas behind the patch are sound enough
[23:36] <cehteh> i contacted the kernel maintainer for the mmc system and eventually we worked somethnig out
[23:36] <ReggieUK> 25MB/s sounds like the driver has topped out at as much as it can give
[23:37] <ReggieUK> in what way worked something out?
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[23:37] <cehteh> eventually some fixes where done to the kernel driver .. which was more about negotiating correctly with the card reader
[23:37] <cehteh> thats some years ago, cant remember exactly
[23:38] <zgreg> ReggieUK: hmm my patchset for the drivers worked?
[23:38] <netman87> 3*25
[23:38] <netman87> sorry
[23:38] <zgreg> ReggieUK: for that microsd card=
[23:39] <ReggieUK> oh zgreg, did you write those patches?
[23:39] <zgreg> yes
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[23:39] <cehteh> zgreg: ah yes .. :) didnt know you are on irc
[23:39] <ReggieUK> KUDOS!
[23:39] <ReggieUK> yes they do work it would appear
[23:39] <cehteh> zgreg: i have your patches and the 3.2 kernel from bootc and init_emmc_clock=250000000
[23:39] <cehteh>
[23:40] <zgreg> *both*?
[23:40] <cehteh> gives me decent SD card performance .. its just debateable how much thats within specs
[23:40] <ReggieUK> shoudln't need emmc_clock set any more
[23:40] <zgreg> you shouldn't really overclock the eMMC if you have the patch
[23:40] <cehteh> without init_emmc_clock it will be half as fast
[23:40] <zgreg> not at all within specs I assume
[23:40] <D-side> zgreg: oh you've contributed. thanks for the hard work
[23:40] <D-side> goes to any and all devs for this project here
[23:40] <ReggieUK> the 100Mhz/50Mhz patches were put in to make the clocks sync between the card and the emmc controller
[23:41] <zgreg> SD spec says the max clock is 50 MHz
[23:41] <ReggieUK> and to cap the max speed that the cards will *ever* run at on a normal pi within specs
[23:41] <ReggieUK> is that correct zgreg?
[23:41] <zgreg> if you overclock the eMMC to 250 MHz and then use the patch you'll get more than 100 MHZ SD clock - in theory
[23:41] <ReggieUK> as it's not just the sd spec we're looking at
[23:41] <cehteh> zgreg: the thing is that the card could be faster, prolly still failing to negotiate some parameters correctly
[23:41] <zgreg> ReggieUK: yes
[23:41] <rasp7aa> when will the patch be mainstream?
[23:41] <ReggieUK> it's the sd, sdhc, sdxc and uhs stuff we'll be looking at too
[23:42] <ReggieUK> all of those will start in a low speed 1bit mode for compatibility purposes
[23:42] <cehteh> yes .. but then the problems start
[23:42] <ReggieUK> card gets queried, controller works out what speed it should set it's clocks to
[23:42] <zgreg> rasp7aa: I don't know, some SD cards of a specific manufacturer/chipset seem to be problematic with it
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[23:42] <zgreg> rasp7aa: resulting in super slow speeds
[23:42] <rasp7aa> damn
[23:42] <ReggieUK> cehteh, the problems only arise because there is a missing 1.8v circuit
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[23:42] <ReggieUK> the cards fail when they get set into that mode
[23:43] <zgreg> ReggieUK: no that's not the problem
[23:43] <ReggieUK> oh?
[23:43] <zgreg> the eMMC will never try to set that mode
[23:43] <zgreg> it's configured to not do that
[23:43] <ReggieUK> ah, ok, is that what the first patch does?
[23:43] <cehteh> ReggieUK: thats the difference between theory and practice .. either the linux kernel is too pedantic or wrong .. or cards dont comply well enouhg to the standards or wrongly implemented sometimes
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[23:43] <cehteh> a lot cards dont reach their maximal speed with linux
[23:43] <zgreg> ReggieUK: no. just read the commit message of the first patch. this makes linux correctly recognize some newer SD3.0 cards
[23:43] <cehteh> and i suppose the producers dont even test that
[23:44] <zgreg> ReggieUK: without it, many SD3.0 cards are not correctly recognized as being capable of high-speed (>25 MHz) transfers
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[23:45] <ReggieUK> that patch is an old patch though isn't it, so not a pi only issue?
[23:45] <zgreg> yeah
[23:45] <zgreg> it should be part of linux 3.2+
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[23:46] <ReggieUK> so the missing 1.8v circuit is an issue but not particularly related to your patch set?
[23:46] <cehteh> so init_emmc_clock=250000000 is the clock of what? 250Mhz ... is that the direct bus clock?
[23:46] <ReggieUK> that's the base clock speed that the controller uses with/without dividers alledgedly
[23:47] <zgreg> the only issue should be that you won't get UHS-I speeds
[23:47] * SpeedEvil waves at cehteh from another place.
[23:47] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[23:47] <zgreg> cehteh: the base clock of the eMMC core of the pi
[23:48] <zgreg> specification says you should stay between 50 MHz and 100 MHz base clock, FYI :)
[23:48] <cehteh> any why does the card only transfer 12 somewhat MB/sec with default settings .. that means it doesnt negotiate the protocol properly with the card
[23:48] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok, I mistakenly thought that the first patch was dealing with not bothering to switch to higher speeds/1.8v :)
[23:48] <Butcho> does anyone know anything about this win32diskimager program to write debian.img to a SD card? I can't get the drive E: to show up in it.
[23:48] <cehteh> (maybe its not capable .. i dunno)
[23:48] <zgreg> cehteh: the default kernel caps the SD clock at 20 MHz
[23:48] <Helldesk> does audio work from console at all? (no X)
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: Or it means that the card can only do 12M within the spec, but it will work OK with a host that violates the spec at faster than this.
[23:49] <ReggieUK> zgreg, someone measured teh default speed on the clock line apparently
[23:49] <SpeedEvil> (where OK may mean from appears to work, to works reliably for all devices from that maker)
[23:49] <ReggieUK> 10Mhz apparently
[23:49] <cehteh> SpeedEvil: hey they advertize the card as 45Mb/sec thats almost double as fast as i have it now
[23:49] <zgreg> well, I have no idea what it's clocked at really
[23:49] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: It can't do 45M/s in 4 bit mode at 3.3V (legitimately)
[23:49] <zgreg> no oscillograph here :/
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> (and comply with the published spec)
[23:50] <cehteh> whats the highest speed in 3.3V mode?
[23:50] <zgreg> but the patches configure everything according to spec, and it should work
[23:50] <cehteh> legal
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: 50MHz - 25 megabytes/s - from memory
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[23:51] <cehteh> ok i dont know to how much bus-clock-mhz the 250Mhz emmc core clock relates
[23:51] <ReggieUK> zgreg, i noticed in one patch you've dropped a delay from 100us (I think) to 30us?
[23:51] <ReggieUK> did you try lower than that?
[23:51] <zgreg> I think the eMMC controller in the bcm2835 is somewhat stripped down, and that is why we won't get the speeds the interface offers
[23:51] * SpeedEvil hates random delays.
[23:51] <cehteh> but i have at least a datarate within the spec :)
[23:52] <romaxa> what is the original SDK source link for bcm2708 gles drivers?
[23:52] <zgreg> the FIFO buffer for reading/writing data is only 1K byte in size
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[23:52] <zgreg> that's just *very* small and might limit performance
[23:52] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: 32 can't be in the spec
[23:52] <cehteh> 25/23 i saied that was read/write pair
[23:52] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: it's 4 bits wide - so you need 2 clocks per transfer.
[23:52] <zgreg> ReggieUK: lower than that isn't really useful according to my measurements
[23:52] <ReggieUK> I take it that buffer is set in stone
[23:52] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: Ah - you typoed
[23:52] <zgreg> ReggieUK: and in most cases there's no need to delay so it shouldn't matter much, really
[23:52] * cehteh scrolls up
[23:53] <ReggieUK> Indeed, I Thought you'd said 32mb earlier too :D
[23:54] <ReggieUK> but I think you're still running the emmc clock 50Mhz out of spec(potentially)
[23:54] <ReggieUK> I think though, the only max speed I've seen is broadcom saying it should be between 50-100Mhz
[23:55] <zgreg> yes, that is written in the limited spec we have
[23:55] <Butcho> having a problem writing the debian.img to a SD card using this Win32DiskImage.exe program. My Sd card (E:) doesn't seem to show up in it's device list to write to.
[23:55] <ReggieUK> and the definition of the sd standard(s)
[23:55] <ReggieUK> which spec up to 208Mhz I believe
[23:55] <cehteh> BusError: has it some other device character?
[23:55] <cehteh> err Butcho :)
[23:55] <zgreg> ReggieUK: hmm now you're confusing SD clock speed and eMMC clock speed
[23:55] <cehteh> hi BusError btw :)
[23:56] <Butcho> it's E:
[23:56] <cehteh> dunno .. i am not on windows :)
[23:56] <zgreg> anyway... we need a REAL datasheet for the eMMC core
[23:56] <Butcho> nothing shows up in Win32DiskImager.exe's device drop down list
[23:56] <romaxa> zgreg: what is the original SDK source link for bcm2708 gles drivers? or it is inly available in official examples of SDK from http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads?
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: for everything
[23:57] <zgreg> the partial datasheet we have might look good to the laymen, but it's not very useful
[23:57] * SpeedEvil wishes some nice person would leak it.
[23:57] <rvalles> tried a lot of distros... it seems raspbian's least annoying. I can almost feel comfortable here.
[23:57] <ReggieUK> the really annoying bit is broadcom teasing us by telling is the actual document we need
[23:57] <zgreg> romaxa: check out the firmware repo at github.com/raspberrypi
[23:58] <Mike632T> Thought I'd see if I could get quake3 running on my Pi (debian stable image with updated firmware) but I get an error
[23:58] <Mike632T> 575042566: vchiq_lib: Very incompatible VCHIQ library - cannot retrieve driver version
[23:58] <Mike632T> any idea what is wrong - should I use a different OS image..?
[23:58] <zgreg> Mike632T: have you updated the firmware correctly?
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[23:59] <zgreg> the firmware images, and userland runtime libraries should be in sync
[23:59] <reider59> worked here last week with updated firmware on Debian
[23:59] <Mike632T> I assume so as it boots OK
[23:59] <romaxa> zgreg: thank
[23:59] <reider59> oops sorry.....Worked
[23:59] <GabrialDestruir> you know.... you couuld probably rig rpi-update to trigger everytime the OS was shut down

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