#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-10

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[0:00] <GabrialDestruir> that way you'd always have the most up to date firmware
[0:02] <Mike632T> how do I check versions..?
[0:02] <Mike632T> Or is it simpler to just run rpi-update again and get a whole new version..?
[0:02] <zgreg> yeah
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[0:03] <GabrialDestruir> Just run rpi-update
[0:04] <BusError> ReggieUK, cehteh huh? sorry missed the discussion
[0:04] <BusError> too many people talking at the same time :-)
[0:05] <Simon-> does anyone actually have a copy of SD3.0_Host_AHB_eMMC4.4_Usersguide_ver5.9_jan11_10.pdf ?
[0:05] <romaxa> zgreg: is there are chromium build with WebGL/3d accelartion working available somewhere?
[0:05] <Simon-> or are they just referring to documents that aren't public?
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[0:05] <rasp7aa> you want to apt-get update before you rpi-update
[0:06] <Markavian> where's the rpi-update script?
[0:06] <ReggieUK> Hi BusError, I didn't even noticed you speaking until just then :D
[0:06] <ReggieUK> Simon-, I'm pretty sure that's not public
[0:06] <BusError> well cehteh mentioned me after your intervention, I was sure you were involved :-)
[0:06] <rasp7aa> Markavian: first link on google, https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[0:06] <ReggieUK> I asked on the forums
[0:07] <ReggieUK> in the vain hope that someone from the foundation might look at it and take pity
[0:07] <ReggieUK> BusError ;)
[0:07] <romaxa> [B
[0:07] <Mike632T> zgreg: GabrialDestruir: Will do
[0:07] <rasp7aa> why would the foundation look at the forums?
[0:07] <ReggieUK> BusError, you were correct about the delay causing issues btw. in the sd driver
[0:07] <rasp7aa> They are such a mess, it would just be a waste of their time
[0:08] <ReggieUK> well, people like dom, gert, jamesh all most certainly look at the forums
[0:09] <zgreg> SD performance/compatibility is one thing that bugs me about the pi, another one is the USB packet loss issue
[0:09] <BusError> ReggieUK, have you sorted out that SD clock issue then ? (haven;t followed the multiple pages on both channels ;-))
[0:09] <zgreg> the "sticky keys" keyboard issue is driving me MAD sometimes
[0:09] <cehteh> BusError: that was just wrong nick completion
[0:10] <ReggieUK> BusError, actually, zgreg did
[0:10] <rasp7aa> I never got sticky keys with my wired keyboard
[0:10] <ReggieUK> but it's pretty much what I've been banging on about for the last couple of days
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[0:10] <reider59> lol that stickykeys has it's uses
[0:10] <ReggieUK> ironic really
[0:11] <ReggieUK> I only tried zgregs driver last night as cehteh reported they were working (I avoided them before because someone else reported they didn't work)
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[0:11] <cehteh> well i cant say more than "works for me" :)
[0:11] <cehteh> for some definition of "works"
[0:12] <zgreg> what kind of performance do you see? I mean, you also do that crazy overclock, right?
[0:12] <ReggieUK> no I don't do the overclock
[0:12] <ReggieUK> in fact, I've been dubious about telling too many people about the overclock
[0:12] <zgreg> ok, but cehteh does I think
[0:12] <zgreg> yeah, same here
[0:12] <ReggieUK> I tested teh overclock myself
[0:12] * BusError goes back to reassembling his 3d printer then
[0:12] <ReggieUK> and came to the conclusion that whilst it works it doesn't smell right :D
[0:12] <ReggieUK> so dropped back to 100mhz
[0:12] <cehteh> yes .. but not overvolting :P and i know the dangers, but someone mentioned already, the rpi is inexpensive to replace
[0:12] <ReggieUK> anywho
[0:13] <ReggieUK> I got a big boost when i tried your driver
[0:13] <cehteh> (but not fast to replace for the time being :)
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[0:13] <ReggieUK> 4.45MB/s stock drivers
[0:13] <zgreg> cehteh: anyway, what does "hdparm -t /dev/mmcblk0" say?
[0:13] <ReggieUK> 12.5MB/s @ 240Mhz
[0:13] <cehteh> same here .. that 4.x mb/sec is pretty default
[0:14] <reider59> I joined a photography club and they lost the Admin Password to the lappy. I swapped sticky keys temporarilly for another program by booting from a USB Key. Pressed a key combination that brought up a command prompt at login and changed the Admin Password. Just tickled me again at the thought of sticky keys lol
[0:14] <cehteh> zgreg: 25MB/sec
[0:14] <ReggieUK> with your patches I get 10.4MB/s
[0:14] <zgreg> it will NEVER go beyond ~4.5 MB/s with the standard kernel
[0:14] <zgreg> ReggieUK: that's exactly the expected performance
[0:14] <zgreg> cehteh: that indicates the overclock does work
[0:14] <ReggieUK> with your patches and emmc clock set to 200Mhz I got 12.4MB/s
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[0:14] <zgreg> but it also means your SD clock is beyond specs
[0:14] <ReggieUK> so that's why some people might be reporting that they don't get any gain with your driver
[0:14] <cehteh> zgreg: yes i tried without overclock first that gave me the results ReggieUK is seeing :)
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[0:15] <ReggieUK> oh yes, I immediately set it back after testing
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[0:15] <cehteh> monday i buy some heatsinks :)
[0:15] <ReggieUK> it's obviously pushing things if the gain is only 2mb/s for double clock speed
[0:15] <zgreg> heh
[0:15] <cehteh> yes
[0:15] <rasp7aa> cehteh: the raspberry pi does not require either passive or active cooling
[0:16] <cehteh> 25 vs 12 makes a difference tough
[0:16] <zgreg> also, cooling isn't very effective due to the PoP case
[0:16] <cehteh> rasp7aa: joking .. but hey we figured out that i overclock mine
[0:16] <rasp7aa> to what end?
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[0:16] <cehteh> and the SD card too ... shall i equip it with a heatsink too? :)))
[0:16] <rasp7aa> air fins
[0:16] <rasp7aa> and a spoiler
[0:17] <cehteh> liquid nitrogen immersion cooling :)
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[0:17] <reider59> liquid cooling of the SD Card lol
[0:17] <rasp7aa> you could give it a "go faster" racing strip too
[0:17] <cehteh> overclock your rpi to 4Ghz :)
[0:17] <fakker> ^
[0:18] <fakker> dare youuuu
[0:18] <rasp7aa> is ^ the new QFT?
[0:18] * cehteh is normally not a overclocker .. here my desktop is all sane and completely passive cooled
[0:18] <cehteh> but as i like to compile the rpi kernel on the device and do some other tests there its nice to get it a bit faster
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[0:18] <Markavian> for rpi-update I had to run chmod 0755 /usr/bin/rpi-update to get it to run, its updating now
[0:19] <Helldesk> huh, got alsa installed, it indeed is alpha
[0:19] <rasp7aa> Markavian: did you update everything first?
[0:19] <Helldesk> it barely is able to replay short bits of audio
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[0:20] <friggle> does anyone have outstanding complaints regarding modules included in the kernel in the 'firmware repo'? staging drivers and netfilter/iptables are in. Anything else?
[0:20] <cehteh> i tried quake now too .. same problem with up to date debian and firmware
[0:21] <cehteh> friggle: zram is a must
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[0:21] <friggle> cehteh: yes, that's available as a module from staging
[0:21] <friggle> and is enabled now
[0:22] <friggle> (as in the module, up to you to decide to play with it)
[0:22] <cehteh> i have some scripts to set swap up interested?
[0:22] <Markavian> rasp7aa, yes, everything was up to date, I did an apt-get update a few days ago
[0:22] <friggle> cehteh: license? what do they do? I'm using a swap file and using dphys-swapfile from Debian to manage it (modified to use fallocate rather than dd)
[0:22] <friggle> seems to get the job done
[0:22] <cehteh> also tweaked sysctl.conf for myself
[0:22] <friggle> cehteh: open to suggestions
[0:22] <Aterlatus> Has anyone seen any documentation anyplace on building the FAT32 boot partition? Fancy a nice clean Gentoo...
[0:22] * SpeedEvil wishes someone would make a nice linearising defragmenting swap.
[0:23] <cehteh> http://public.pipapo.org/mkzswap << wtf license .. i promise not to send a lawyer :) .. or gpl it i am even too lazy to add a license there
[0:24] <cehteh> (not really license worthy ..)
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> For a 1G 'swap' make a 1.5G backing device. Fill it up linearly with swap, as normal. Then once you hit the end, read the least occupied 256K (or whatever) block, and then rewrite with new content
[0:24] <SpeedEvil> storing the block translation table in RAM
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[0:24] <friggle> Aterlatus: what are you looking for? it's really trivial. Just make a partition, stick the stuff from github.com/firmware in the boot directory on to it
[0:25] <friggle> Aterlatus: e.g. this will partition a card appropriately https://github.com/asb/spindle/blob/master/wheezy-stage0#L12
[0:25] <cehteh> <spam ...>
[0:25] <cehteh> vm.min_free_kbytes = 2048
[0:25] <cehteh> vm.swappiness=100
[0:25] <cehteh> vm.laptop_mode=3600
[0:25] <cehteh> vm.overcommit_memory=1
[0:25] <cehteh> vm.page-cluster=0
[0:25] <cehteh> vm.vfs_cache_pressure=1
[0:25] <cehteh> </spam>
[0:25] <SpeedEvil> <spam>
[0:25] <cehteh> ymmv on that, works for me :)
[0:25] <friggle> cehteh: we need a higher vm.min_free_kbytes to overcome allocation errors some people observe under high network traffic
[0:25] <cehteh> (zram presumed)
[0:25] <Aterlatus> Cheers Friggle - that's what I'm after. Just didn't see it documented anywhere. ;p
[0:25] <cehteh> ah ok
[0:25] * SpeedEvil wonders.
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> Is it technically possible to talk to the GPU, to ask it to store pages?
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> I'm thinking of those wierd video-card swap programs from 1990.
[0:26] <cehteh> i also played with the io scheduler but didnt found some significant improvement
[0:26] <friggle> cehteh: yeah, I'm thinking of defaulting to deadline - it seems unlikely to make things worse
[0:27] <cehteh> SpeedEvil: the linux kernel can do that with a memory device mapping on PC hardware (price gfx)
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[0:28] <cehteh> friggle: yes, but doesnt give a gain either
[0:28] <cehteh> i also tried with different read deadlines .. no conclusions so far
[0:28] <zgreg> oh my, debian's /etc/network/interfaces is more buggy than network-manager :D
[0:29] * SpeedEvil computes the storage of the CSI/DSI pins, and several large reels of coax.
[0:29] <cehteh> and btw i mount my ext4 with commit=3600 too .. thats a bit dangerous, not for default
[0:29] <zgreg> it always uses the IPv6 DNS server as advertised by DHCPv6, if available
[0:29] <zgreg> at least that is what happens here
[0:29] <cehteh> same as the laptop_mode value but i'd suggest to make it at least 30
[0:29] <zgreg> and removes all the other nameservers
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> http://sellout.woot.com/offers/centon-64gb-class-10-sdxc-card?utm_campaign=Amazon+Daily+-+20120609+-+Sellout.Woot+-+centon-64gb-class-10-sdxc-card+-+camp1&utm_source=Amazon&utm_medium=email
[0:30] <friggle> cehteh: did you play with fifo_batch?
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> cheap 64G card, if anyone wants to play with getting it working on the Pi
[0:30] <cehteh> yes
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> Alas, US only
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> $35
[0:30] <cehteh> no 'predictable' and 'substantial' improvement
[0:31] <cehteh> i ran a git gc on the kernel tree in parallel and watched io with iostat/vmstat
[0:31] <friggle> cehteh: but no degradation either?
[0:31] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: with SD as / ?
[0:32] <cehteh> you may squelch a little bit performance out with tuning the scheduler .. but all below noise and not predictable enough to give some conclusion
[0:32] <cehteh> yes
[0:32] <cehteh> all on SD
[0:32] <SpeedEvil> I suspect that's the limit
[0:32] <cehteh> git gc didnt complete btw .. finally it ran out of memory
[0:32] <SpeedEvil> random write performance kinda blows
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[0:32] <Marein> Hey, I?m looking for a document on the instruction sets for the ARM... I found this http://goo.gl/Hhp07 and this http://goo.gl/pdY5Y and they?re useful, but I?m not sure whether either of them are an exact match for the model that?s in the Rpi. Does anyone happen to know more?
[0:33] <cehteh> laptop_mode=X ... where X is some reasonable high value
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> laptop_mode=macbook_air
[0:33] * Xark is at the two hour mark with his RPi on a USB battery (running "updatedb" in a loop in the background and top in the foreground - load avg ~0.98). Estimated to run for 4 hours, so perhaps halfway there...
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[0:34] <cehteh> that delays all writes until someone syncs, the kernel has to write out things (because of memory shortage, which happens rather soon on the rpi) or that time is passed
[0:34] <friggle> cehteh: can you report positive experiences with that? did you try to measure it?
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[0:34] <cehteh> friggle: i use that since years on all flash based devices, it reduces wear and lowers IO because things get batched together
[0:34] <rvalles> hm, less than 5MB/s accessing the SD :(
[0:35] <cehteh> with some risk that things may not get written in time on a power loss .. that has to be saied
[0:35] <rvalles> hardware limitation or the driver just sucks at this point?
[0:35] <cehteh> rvalles: nope software :)
[0:35] <rvalles> cehteh: hope so, hope so
[0:35] <cehteh> i know :P
[0:35] <rvalles> same sd gives me 20M+ elsewhere
[0:36] <cehteh> 25mb here .. :)
[0:36] <rvalles> which is acceptable territory
[0:36] <zgreg> have you disabled journalling and set the noatime mount option yet?
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[0:36] <Aterlatus> Right, when I get to the kernel in this install... is it better to try and apply rpi patches to a gentoo kernel, or just go with the rpi one from the off?
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[0:36] <cehteh> we know that and talked earlier about that
[0:36] * PiBot sets mode +v [SLB]
[0:36] <rvalles> (it's a 32GB thingy)
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[0:36] <rvalles> zgreg: was hoping the raspbian people did this much
[0:36] <cehteh> zgreg: with journal but commit=3600
[0:36] <cehteh> and thanks .. forgot the atime thingy
[0:36] <rvalles> all I've done is resize the fs with gparted so far
[0:36] <zgreg> use correct partition alignment (4/8 MB), disable journal, set noatime
[0:37] <zgreg> that alone makes for a HUGE performance boost
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[0:37] * Xark notes RPi seems to get 20MB/sec on my crap USB HDD but only 4MB/sec on SD (but I miss the zero-seek time).
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[0:38] <friggle> zgreg: relatime is the default since ages anyway
[0:38] <rvalles> zgreg: my root starts at 768, swap at 512
[0:38] <cehteh> i was considering to disable the journal .. but with commit=3600 and laptop_mode=3600 the journal is the last straw in recovering the filesystem after a crash and journaling does not cost *that* much
[0:38] <cehteh> atime does
[0:39] <rvalles> zgreg: so at least alignment should be fine
[0:39] <zgreg> well, if you handle many small files, journalling can be quite costly...
[0:39] <cehteh> possibly
[0:39] <cehteh> maybe i shall disable it
[0:39] <rvalles> I am fearing flash wear on the journal area
[0:40] <rvalles> perhaps JFFS2 or the like could be used instead
[0:40] <cehteh> there is wear leveling even in sd cards .. not that good but still
[0:40] <rvalles> not sure if the interface is smart enough
[0:40] <cehteh> and if you calculate how much/fast the journal is written, then you find out its not *that* much
[0:41] <friggle> rvalles: with sd card the problem is mostly that you just want a raw interface to get maximum performance, but instead you have to go through the flash translation layer on the card making decisions you don't like
[0:42] <cehteh> zgreg: can one disable the journal with a mount option or do i need to tune2fs?
[0:43] <cehteh> xffs2 wont help much
[0:43] <cehteh> j
[0:45] <zgreg> I think you need tune2fs, at least that is what I did
[0:45] <cehteh> ok
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[0:49] <cehteh> done
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[0:49] <Xark> No doubt you can "reduce the pain" but ultimately, the raw I/O time is the issue (and no magic way to make ~5MB/sec "fast"). :)
[0:50] <cehteh> i dont want to advertize my 25MB/sec overclocked way here anymore :P
[0:50] * WASDx_ is now known as WASDx
[0:51] <Xark> cehteh: Hehe, as was mentioned if it is a software issue, no doubt it will get addressed in time (unless there is a real "problem").
[0:52] <cehteh> there is prolly a problem to get faster than 25MB/sec
[0:52] <Xark> cehteh: Even if it was fast, I don't really feel comfortable with my root on an SD card (for long term use). :)
[0:52] <cehteh> sd card is not that bad
[0:52] <Xark> cehteh: 25MB seems about par.
[0:54] <Markavian> hey, I set my raspberry pi to boot startx and autolog me in, but I get an error with ssh trying to do the same thing
[0:54] <cehteh> sure ssh has no console
[0:54] <Xark> cehteh: Well, I have had issues with them eventually corrupting (so far 100% if you run long enough). This was on N800, OLPC and my WRT54G....
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[0:54] <cehteh> Markavian: start gdm instead
[0:55] <Markavian> gdm?
[0:55] <rvalles> Markavian: you want kdm or gdm or lightdm
[0:55] <rvalles> Markavian: configured to autologin
[0:55] <rvalles> Markavian: and to start at boot
[0:55] <rvalles> instead of your nasty hack
[0:55] <cehteh> Xark: i have this issues with any storage medium so far since 30 years :) .. floppy, tapes, HDD's, CD's, DVD's ...
[0:55] <rvalles> Markavian: you probably have gdm already. Try /etc/init.d/gpm start
[0:55] <Markavian> ok, I'm gonna try and figure out what the hack was first so I can undo it
[0:55] <rvalles> else install it
[0:56] <cehteh> gdm not gpm
[0:56] <Xark> cehteh: Well, true (I also started with 300 baud cassette tape), but SD seems worse than USB HDD in my experience. :)
[0:56] <cehteh> it is installed in debian but disabled
[0:56] <rvalles> yeah, gpm is something else... to have mouse support in the framebuffer console.
[0:56] <Markavian> cehteh, that runs but I don't know what it did
[0:56] <cehteh> SD doesnt get broken if you drop it or it becomes wet
[0:56] * rvalles C64 and Amiga until 2000...
[0:57] <rvalles> so, 16bit video -> no way to get a 24bit fb?
[0:57] <cehteh> actually SD cards are among the most reliable storage mediums here
[0:57] <rvalles> and... who is working on the proper accelerated video drivers, where?
[0:57] <zgreg> NFS root works pretty damn well
[0:57] <zgreg> neato
[0:57] <Xark> cehteh: Yes, and I am fine to use it. I have it in my phone and it is "great" (although, that reminds me I have had a card 100% fail in my phone too). :)
[0:57] <cehteh> but i never store any data on a single medium ..
[0:58] <cehteh> backup ftw
[0:58] <nidO> iscsi root is also pretty nippy \o/
[0:58] <zgreg> NFS should have a performance edge if you use UDP transfers
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[0:59] <zgreg> but of course it's mostly so nice and fast because write performance is so much better :)
[0:59] <Markavian> cehteh, this was the hack I used for auto login: http://elinux.org/RPi_Debian_Auto_Login
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[0:59] <Xark> rvalles: Wow, 2000. That is impressive. :) I thought I was a holdout using Amiga 1000 (with BIX terminal access for internet) until 1992 when I went to Linux on a 386 (with 1GB SCSI HD). :)
[1:00] <zgreg> I'm going to use NFS root for testing the SD compatibility and performance, though
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[1:00] <zgreg> it's nice because you can hotplug SD cards
[1:00] <cehteh> usb too
[1:00] <zgreg> (after unmounting /boot)
[1:00] <cehteh> but usb flash broke more often than SD cards here
[1:01] <rvalles> Xark: well, I was a kid, relatively
[1:01] * Xark wonders if it would be feasible to wire up a little "SD mirror" dongle that would use two SD cards but look like one reliable card to OS (ideally without performance lag...)
[1:01] <Markavian> I guess I want the "startx" command to be conditional based on where the login came from
[1:01] <rvalles> Xark: so I had no money and had to use what we had at home
[1:02] <rvalles> worst is it was an A500 with 1MB RAM, nothing fancy
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[1:02] <Decepshun> Question: Should the OK light be on all the time?
[1:02] <zgreg> Xark: just get yourself a high-performance SD card that has good random write performance (some of the more expensive sandisk cards fall into that category)
[1:02] <rvalles> I got an A1200 way later, just because I felt like getting one :)
[1:02] <cehteh> hey my first amiga hdd came with 512KB ram extension and costed me 2500 German Mark :)
[1:02] <Markavian> if its an autologin from the raspi rebooting, it should startx, if its a remote ssh session it should skip that command
[1:02] <friggle> Decepshun: yeah, though newer firmware switches it so it comes on only on sd access
[1:02] <cehteh> the hdd was 40MB iirc
[1:03] <rvalles> (while having some athlon-xp of my own already)
[1:03] <Xark> rvalles: I see. I had this when I was a kid -> http://doublebit.com/archives/software/challenger1p/
[1:03] <Decepshun> thx friggle...it does flicker
[1:03] <friggle> Markavian: yeah, just add an if [ $(tty) = /dev/tty0 ]; then
[1:03] <friggle> tty1 rather
[1:04] <rvalles> Xark: ic... considering how old that is, you're lucky to have a computer early adopter family.
[1:04] <Xark> zgreg: And do software mirroring? Sounds like a 2x performance hit. :)
[1:04] <rvalles> Xark: hehe
[1:04] <zgreg> Xark: ah sorry, I misread, thought you're going to do that for performance
[1:05] <Markavian> friggle, I think that did the job, ssh logs in normally now
[1:05] <Markavian> gonna reboot and check that it starts x ok
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[1:05] <Xark> rvalles: Well, I was the adopter in the family, but I was very young (into computers at 13, I think I got that system when I was 15 - begging all my relatives to pitch in $350). :)
[1:06] <cehteh> friggle: apropos my mkzswap script the * 1024 multiplier should be a variable defined in /etc/default for a serious thing to make it configureable
[1:06] <rvalles> Xark: amiga arrived when I was 7, I still have amigabasic programs I wrote when I was 9
[1:06] <rvalles> Xark: :)
[1:06] <romaxa> zgreg: I got mozilla-qt5 working with webgl, pretty awesome, but I want to try and compare with latest chromium (hopefully with webgl support working), do you know where I can get pre-built binaries (default queeze or backports does not have latest chromium for rspbi)
[1:07] <friggle> romaxa: what platform?
[1:08] <zgreg> you should ask someone else :)
[1:08] <romaxa> friggle: raspberry pi bcm2708, debian squeeze
[1:09] <romaxa> zgreg: do you know who may know approximately?
[1:09] <rvalles> subjective as it is, xfce4 on raspbian feels so much better than the standard debian's lxde.
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[1:10] <friggle> romaxa: nice, how does mozilla-qt4 do?
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[1:10] <friggle> nobody has had luck with a new chromium to my knowledge :/ certainly nothing like webgl supportr
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[1:11] <romaxa> friggle: mozilla does qt4 and qt5, it compiles with both versions
[1:11] <friggle> romaxa: I mean, how does it perform?
[1:11] <friggle> how well does it perform
[1:11] <zgreg> does webgl actually work in a usable fashion with nontrivial stuff?
[1:12] <zgreg> I mean, http://get.webgl.org/ is nice but that's fine even with software rendering :)
[1:12] <zgreg> try http://plopbyte.com/demojs-fff/ ;)
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[1:13] <friggle> romaxa: do you have a JS JIT on armv6?
[1:13] <Markavian> nope, that didn't work
[1:13] <romaxa> friggle: ah, http://learningwebgl.com/lessons/lesson05/index.html - 60FPS, lesson16 50FPS, http://bubblemark.com/dhtml.htm - only 18FPS (pixman does not have good support for ARMV6 compositing)
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[1:15] <friggle> romaxa: how about normal web browsing? competitive with midori?
[1:15] <romaxa> friggle: need to fix this bug in order to get faster dhtml rendering with SW compositing involved https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761960,
[1:15] <friggle> iceweasel from the Debian repos is an unpleasant experience
[1:15] <cehteh> tried fennec?
[1:16] <friggle> romaxa: ah, glad to see Siarhei is on that bug. I've been chatting with him :)
[1:16] <cehteh> it sux on the n900 .. prolly on the rpi too
[1:16] <cehteh> dillo is extremely fast and small but not as pleasent
[1:16] <friggle> cehteh: websurf isn't bad, but honestly even with latest websurf in wheezy not *that* much better than midori
[1:16] <Markavian> what does $(tty) hold?
[1:16] <zgreg> netsurf is much better if you are fine with a stripped-down browser
[1:17] <friggle> cehteh: I mean netsurf
[1:17] <zgreg> it's quite a bit more capable than dillo
[1:17] <cehteh> yes dillo is very limited
[1:17] <romaxa> friggle: with fennec it is mostly ok, still too fat (due to XUL UI), I do work now on Off Main thread embedding API's, and have Qt MozEmbed client http://hg.mozilla.org/users/romaxa_gmail.com/qtmozembed, which does super fast startup, 60FPS HW accelerated scrolling/zooming, and not memory greedy comparing to XUL UI
[1:17] <cehteh> links2 in graphics mode is even more limited but insanely fast and small
[1:18] <Markavian> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tty_%28Unix%29
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[1:18] <rigel> so does the RPi really only use ~2W
[1:18] <romaxa> cehteh: does links2 run webgl games?
[1:18] <rigel> and the other 2-3 i heard in the estimate are from the power adaptor?
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[1:18] <rigel> because 2W means i could power it off my bicycle hub generator
[1:19] <cehteh> nah :)
[1:19] <friggle> romaxa: if you have want to integrate something as demonstration in the standard Raspberry Pi SD card image using mozilla, let me know. If you can do better than stock wheezy midori, we're very interested in showing it off
[1:19] <cehteh> rigel: without usb and networking prolly yes
[1:20] <Aterlatus> If you give that a try rigel, make sure you get a small battery in there too otherwise every time you stop you're going to destroy your partitions!
[1:20] <cehteh> i ran it from my bicycle hub / battery
[1:20] <SpeedEvil> critically - if it provides a 5V regulated supply
[1:20] <SpeedEvil> else you risk killing stuff
[1:20] <rigel> Aterlatus: well i would probably have a battery or supercap to smooth things out anyway
[1:21] <cehteh> rigel: http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/reecharge-power-pack
[1:21] <rigel> the commercial regulators are too damn expensive
[1:21] <Aterlatus> And a 5V linear regulator (or hell, switching if you fancy blowing some pennies) to make sure you don't overload anything.
[1:21] <rvalles> hm, raspbian has milkytracker
[1:21] <cehteh> a supercap dont smooth .. they have a high internal resistance and are very slow
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[1:21] <rvalles> installing that... in the event it worked it would be nice.
[1:21] <SpeedEvil> rigel: It needs to be 5V+-10%
[1:21] <cehteh> rigel: see what i posted, that one is relative cheap and works
[1:22] <rigel> Aterlatus: yeah, i get the impression that a lot of the sub-$200 regulators are linear, low efficiency crap
[1:22] <cehteh> but as soon you plug usb stuff in, things may become bad
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[1:22] <cehteh> actually just after the hub you want a linear regulator
[1:22] <rigel> and do i really need to spend $200 for a switching regulator ps?
[1:22] <cehteh> because it has the least loss when there is the least power available
[1:22] <Aterlatus> You can get switching regulators for a couple of quid if you're comfortable soldering everything together yourself.
[1:22] <rigel> Aterlatus: i know
[1:23] <rigel> i just havent had the time to experiment and read
[1:23] <Aterlatus> Many of them even come in the same package or at least pin layout as linear regulators. :)
[1:23] <friggle> romaxa: are you planning on supporting html5 video? there is a gst-omx that works with the pi
[1:23] <cehteh> the one i posted above recifies and regulates the hub output for charging the lipo and then has a switching converter on the output
[1:23] <rigel> theyre also out of stock cehteh
[1:23] <Aterlatus> I'm not sure I'd want to go lipo....
[1:23] <friggle> romaxa: also, https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/vgfont may interest
[1:24] <cehteh> maybe you find it somewhere still
[1:24] <plugwash> as long as you know your input voltage will be higher than your output voltage you can use a cheap switching regulator from the likes of tracco or murata
[1:24] <Aterlatus> Set of AAs would do the job fine, and they're a lot less picky about how you charge them.
[1:24] <plugwash> http://uk.farnell.com/tracopower/tsr-1-2450/converter-dc-dc-24v-5v-1a-sip/dp/1696320
[1:24] <Aterlatus> So hub > regulator > charging circuit (can be as simple as a single resistor...) > batteries > pi
[1:24] <cehteh> carful the rpi is picky about its input
[1:25] <Scepterr> i got a 10k mah usb battery
[1:25] <Aterlatus> Possibly a second 5V regulator between the batts and pi to be safe.
[1:25] <cehteh> that has too much drop
[1:25] <Aterlatus> Because although it's got the zener in there, I believe it's just crowbaring so it won't forgive you for running extended periods on overvoltage.
[1:25] <SpeedEvil> Aterlatus: The input regulator has an absolute maximum input rating of 6V
[1:25] <cehteh> the zehner shortens the fuse
[1:26] <SpeedEvil> Aterlatus: Essentially all rechargable batteries will hit 6V on charge
[1:26] <cehteh> but its the last line of defense ..
[1:26] <SpeedEvil> The zener cuts in seriously at about 10V
[1:26] <Aterlatus> Give or take, yeah. NiMH/NiCd will charge to around 1.4-1.45V/cell.
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[1:26] <cehteh> and the rpi processor and stuff are regulated .. 5V only go to the usb directly
[1:26] <Scepterr> why are you guys going with AA batts
[1:27] <Aterlatus> I'd suggest AAs over lipo as someone else mentioned. LiPo can be quite unpredictable if the cell voltages get out of whack or if they drop too low.
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[1:27] <cehteh> i bet you can feed it with anything between 4.4 to 6V as long no network and no usb is connected, but dont blame me if it goes up in smoke :)
[1:27] <rigel> right. i lie lifepo4 but for some reason thats still not widespread
[1:28] <romaxa_> friggle: yep, it supports html5 video but webm and ogg SW for now... will try to build with gstreamer support and will check it too
[1:28] <Aterlatus> I'm planning on picking up some LiFe for my RCs actually... lol
[1:28] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/fr054-dual-usb-protected-mobile-power-board-cob-134286 + lipo
[1:28] <Scepterr> http://www.amazon.com/Anker-10000mAh-External-GT-P1000-GT-P1000N/dp/B005NGLTZQ
[1:28] <Aterlatus> They're generally lower capacity for the same space, but they're far more tolerant to "less than perfect" charging.
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[1:28] <Scepterr> ive had no prob running off the 5k mah version of that i already have
[1:28] <SpeedEvil> LiFePO4 - LiFe also can mean Li-primary 1.5V
[1:29] <Aterlatus> Known as LiFe within RC still.... but OK. ;)
[1:30] <Aterlatus> Beauty of lithium cells is how fast they can discharge, but that's kinda irrelevant for the pi.
[1:30] <Aterlatus> Can get upwards of 300A out of a battery that costs ??30. Insane stuff.
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[1:30] <SpeedEvil> I have a design for a working hoverboard.
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> ~50Kg, and 'portable'.
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> 1m*1m or so.
[1:31] <Aterlatus> If it hovers, what does the weight matter? :P
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> Accellerates at 2G, and can get to 4km in altitude.
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> About half of that weight is fast LiPo.
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> Another third ducted fans.
[1:32] <Aterlatus> I've been toying with the idea of converting an RC car to run an EDF. Just love the noise from them.
[1:32] <Aterlatus> Think the lack of brakes might cause some issues though.
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> Downside is the cost for the above is significant.
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> And it'd upset the CAA.
[1:33] <cehteh> lol
[1:34] <SpeedEvil> Also - the 4km altitude ceiling does require a parachute to get back down :)
[1:34] <cehteh> and poor visibility .. if you RC control it
[1:34] <SpeedEvil> Err - no.
[1:34] <Aterlatus> Not just an electronic speed control on the EDFs? :P
[1:34] <SpeedEvil> Standing on.
[1:35] <cehteh> hah
[1:35] <Aterlatus> It'd obviously take some planning before the power runs short though...
[1:35] <SpeedEvil> As in it will lift a full-grown person at ~2G peak
[1:35] <SpeedEvil> (at close to zero speed, for emergencies)
[1:35] <cehteh> silver surfer :)
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[1:41] <Scepterr> oo 32gb c10 polaroid microsd $19.49 @ newegg
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[1:42] <Aterlatus> Damn you Americans and your newegg. :(
[1:43] <Scepterr> hehe
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[1:43] <reider59> we have a newegg in the UK
[1:44] <Scepterr> youre still paying 50% more :)
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[1:44] <rasp7aa> reider59: nah, our newegg is ebuyer
[1:44] <reider59> next door has chickens
[1:44] <Butcho> default password for debian is pi and suse? doesn't seem to work for me
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> Scepterr: woot has 64g for $35
[1:45] <DaQatz> I was under the understanding that chickens do not deliver sd cards.
[1:45] <SpeedEvil> And also won't ship to the UK
[1:45] <Aterlatus> Have to spend a small fortune on ebuyer to justify the shipping though. :P
[1:45] <reider59> pi and raspberry
[1:45] <Scepterr> by any chance anybody looking to buy an asus zenbook ux31-dh52
[1:45] <rasp7aa> Butcho: pi & raspberry
[1:45] <Scepterr> thats a full sd though SpeedEvil
[1:45] <rasp7aa> Aterlatus: there's always amazon
[1:45] <SpeedEvil> Scepterr: true
[1:46] <Butcho> thanks! worked
[1:46] <Aterlatus> I'm impatient though. Hate waiting for 'economy' delivery. lol
[1:46] <SpeedEvil> I assume newegg.us won't ship cheaply to uk
[1:46] <Butcho> 3 trips to bestbuy to get this working
[1:46] <rasp7aa> you can't wait 3-5 working days?
[1:46] <Aterlatus> Nope.
[1:46] <rigel> of course chickens dont deliver sd cards
[1:46] <rigel> that's egrets
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[1:47] <reider59> I`ve seen one in a kiddies toy egg but it wasn`t a real one lol
[1:47] <Aterlatus> Had to order something for my camera from China recently. Five weeks to deliver.... it almost killed me.
[1:47] <reider59> or the egg
[1:47] <rasp7aa> Aterlatus: dealextreme?
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[1:48] <reider59> could be someone dressed as a chicken, might be an Easter Special
[1:48] <rasp7aa> dealextreme are nice because they also have localised warehouses. So for certain items you only have to wait days instead of weeks
[1:48] <Aterlatus> Never used it.
[1:49] <Aterlatus> Don't often have the money to buy fun stuff. At least that's what the wife tells me.,..
[1:49] <rasp7aa> Used it for years. A lot of the stuff is the same quality of the electronics section of a poundland
[1:49] <rasp7aa> but sooooo cheap and free (loooong) shipping
[1:50] <Aterlatus> I'll keep it in mind. ;)
[1:50] <reider59> should get Raspi from somewhere that takes days instead of weeks ;-)
[1:50] <rasp7aa> Aterlatus: They sell some really nice torches though. Like super high powered ones that will drain the battery in an hour
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[1:50] <rasp7aa> 700 lumens
[1:52] <reider59> my ??1 networking wall jacks work well from poundland, glow in the dark too
[1:52] <reider59> strange, no bulb
[1:52] <reider59> or led
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> EL
[1:52] <reider59> WTH is glowing?
[1:52] <Aterlatus> You've never seen anything glow in the dark without power?
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> Electroluminescant
[1:52] <rasp7aa> reider59: You're a brave man
[1:53] <Scepterr> anybody plugin ir sensor?
[1:53] <rasp7aa> they've got mice that glow in the dark now
[1:53] <reider59> my ??1 BT adaptor works occasionally
[1:53] <rasp7aa> injected them with cells from biolumiencient jellyfish
[1:54] <reider59> just never when I want it to
[1:55] <rasp7aa> I have a 150 meter belkin one, always works
[1:55] <reider59> OK, my ??1 tennis bat fly swatter still works 6 years after I bought it and still on the same batteries. serious, it still smokes the flies, never seen anything like it....thought it was for tennis
[1:56] <reider59> good with spiders too, should hear them pop and frazzle
[1:57] <rasp7aa> spiders in england don't do any harm
[1:57] <rasp7aa> they get rid of flies for you
[1:57] <Aterlatus> Try telling the wife that.
[1:57] <reider59> oh and my ??1 backrest thingie bob wotsit innit for my chair works still but the elastic is going
[1:57] <rasp7aa> just be thankful we don't have the same ones as australia, sitting under the loo seat ready to kill you
[1:58] <reider59> might take it back for a refund lol
[1:58] <Aterlatus> Yeah, but we have the daily mail and according to that pretty much everything will kill us.
[1:58] <reider59> 3D glasses went back twice n still don`t work
[1:59] <reider59> I think I`m addicted to the pound shop
[1:59] <reider59> the tray with 2 dogs on looks cute
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[2:00] <reider59> 7 bags of Russian cheese Snips for a pound is good
[2:00] <reider59> apart from the toe nail cuttings
[2:02] <reider59> get the Star, it's cheaper lol
[2:03] <rasp7aa> O.o
[2:04] <reider59> Are those 99p shops still on the go? Ours closed.
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[2:04] <rasp7aa> probably super low profit margins
[2:05] <Aterlatus> With the crap they sell? Their magin probably beats tesco, %-wise. :P
[2:05] <plugwash> hmm, don't think i've ever seena 99p shop, round here it has always been pound shops
[2:05] <plugwash> they seem to be doing fine though
[2:06] <Scepterr> its a volume game
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[2:06] <reider59> We have at least 4 pound shops here, 5 at one point but one just closed
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[2:13] <rasp7aa> plugwash: I hate the 99p concept.
[2:13] <rasp7aa> Life would be so much easier without coppers.
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[2:59] <Aterlatus> Just saw the background on this gentoo livedvd.... "Gentoo Linux: Still Compiling" rofl
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[3:07] <Softnux> Any idea why my bluetooth dies after a while and has to be reinserted into the pi?
[3:08] <cehteh> any log/backtrace/dmesg .. and what bluetooth?
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[3:09] <Softnux> my bluetooth dongle, after some hours it stops finding devices on scan/ping
[3:09] <cehteh> predictable? always the same time? when idle? when in use?
[3:09] <Softnux> no stats yet, happened to times the past 12 hours
[3:09] <Softnux> scans every minutes
[3:10] <cehteh> try to get some diagnostics
[3:10] <Softnux> Bluetooth: Failed to register connection device
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[3:11] <Softnux> http://pastebin.com/wjaxa5nt
[3:11] <cehteh> sysfs: cannot create duplicate filename '/class/bluetooth/hci0:41'
[3:12] <cehteh> that seems to be the initial error (anything above that. device lost?)
[3:12] <cehteh> if not prolly a bug in the bluetooth stack
[3:12] <Softnux> too many scans?
[3:13] <Softnux> or pings
[3:13] <cehteh> prolly loosing a device but failing to deregister it? .. no idea exactly, did you google that message?
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[3:14] <cehteh> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.bluez.kernel/23848
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[3:18] <Syliss> anyone know if the mn-510 usb wifi adapter is supported in linux?
[3:19] <tech2077> Syliss, seems to not bee
[3:19] <tech2077> be*
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[3:19] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the chipset?
[3:20] <Syliss> no idea
[3:20] <Syliss> its incased, i could open it up
[3:20] <ShiftPlusOne> plug it in and run lsusb
[3:20] <Syliss> okie dokie
[3:20] <Syliss> i just found it in my box of crap
[3:20] <cehteh> big size adapter?
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[3:21] <Syliss> yep
[3:21] <Syliss> takes 500ma too
[3:21] <cehteh> check the voltage on the board, if it goes down then the adapter needs too much power (or use a powered hub)
[3:21] <cehteh> no way without a powered hub
[3:22] <Syliss> yeah i know
[3:22] <cehteh> ok
[3:23] <SpeedEvil> VEry, very few wifi devices will draw under 140mA, even in recieve
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[3:24] <cehteh> under 100 :P
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[3:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Or your usb cable is too long >=/
[3:27] <Syliss> lol
[3:28] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, that's sounds soooooo random :D
[3:29] <ReggieUK> and g'morning!
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[3:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Random? "check the voltage on the board, if it goes down then the adapter needs too much power (or use a powered hub)"... as you know, the cable can be the cause of that as well =(
[3:30] <plugwash> Also what you really need to be checking is the voltage delivered to the USB port
[3:30] <plugwash> not the main voltage on the board
[3:31] <ShiftPlusOne> which pins are those?
[3:31] <ShiftPlusOne> ah nvrm, found them.
[3:31] <plugwash> probablly the easiest place to probe it is on the USB port itself, outer pins are power and ground
[3:32] <cehteh> measure the voltage drop at the fuse :)
[3:32] <tech2077> what are tp1 and tp2 attached to
[3:32] <Syliss> I'm just planning on using what i have to get the most out of the pi
[3:33] <tech2077> are they gnd and vcc
[3:33] <cehteh> yes
[3:33] <cehteh> that direct the 5V you feed to the board
[3:33] <Syliss> i hope that i can get enough amazon gift cards for a lap dock since the ports are moveable on the back id love to use it as a cheap laptop
[3:36] <cehteh> are there any analog inputs, guess no
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[3:39] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, I wasn't having a pop, it just sounds soo random when it's said out loud :)
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[3:41] <ShiftPlusOne> huh? have you been drinking again? >=/
[3:41] <Syliss> i want to be
[3:41] <zgreg> heh, my old 16 MB MMC card works fine
[3:42] <zgreg> and so does my 8 MB SD card
[3:42] <zgreg> yes, MB, not GB
[3:42] <ShiftPlusOne> great, you can fly to the moon on that.
[3:42] <trevorman> zgreg: lemme guess. the freebies from cameras?
[3:42] <trevorman> "free"
[3:42] <zgreg> trevorman: yeah, from 2001 cameras
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Well at least you can put a kernel on there and boot off usb.
[3:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Actually not sure that the firmware + kernel will fit =(
[3:43] <trevorman> bootloader is a little under 2.5mb
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[3:44] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, plenty of room.
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[3:46] <SpeedEvil> 7
[3:46] <SpeedEvil> plenty for enough to netboot
[3:46] <SpeedEvil> or from USB
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[3:48] <Butcho> loving my pi
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[3:52] <Decepshun> I got my rpi to work finally....my stupid keyboard was draining the LAN resources :|
[3:52] <Syliss> yeah i was thinking of using my old 64mb card for booting
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[4:02] <Kasplodey> Finally found a practical use for my rpi. Using it as a ZNC (IRC bouncer) machine. When I go to work I can't be logging in with my work's host in my whois so I connect through my rpi running znc at home.
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[4:07] <rasp7aa> Kasplodey: How does that work?
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[4:25] * Xark notes right on target, about 4:24 minutes of uptime on RPi with 2000 mAh x 2 USB battery. :)
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[4:27] <Kasplodey> It works great...or do you mean HOW does it work?
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[4:28] <Kasplodey> It's like an IRC proxy of sorts. You can connect to a server through znc. ZNC actually connects so your whois will actually show the hostname from its connection rather than the client's connection.
[4:29] <Kasplodey> It will also keep your nick online in whatever channels you're in and when you log back in it will play back the last X number of lines in each channel.
[4:29] <neofutur> Kasplodey: you can ask for a cloak on #freenode ( cloak will hide your host )
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[4:29] <neofutur> ( I prefer ssh/screen/irssi to an irc bouncer )
[4:30] <Kasplodey> Doesn't that require a donation? Not that I am cheap but...yeah, I'm cheap. I also use a couple of other networks so it's just easier to connect through znc.
[4:31] <Kasplodey> I use irssi to connect to znc. They're not the same thing at all.
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[5:16] <netman87> hi how is shipping RPi's going?
[5:16] <netman87> my friend did order from Fsomething when first public order was available
[5:17] <netman87> and he still havent gotten email of shipment
[5:17] <Butcho> I ordered 2/29/12 and got mine Thursday
[5:18] <netman87> i did order 2 weeks ago and it said something about 5 weeks so atleast i dont need yet to start thinking where it is :)
[5:18] <Butcho> would have gotten it 2 weeks earlier but my CC had expired between the months that passed
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[5:19] <netman87> Butcho: yeah, basically im asking whats target day to have all first order shipments done
[5:19] <stev> I got response from RS on 5/17, ordered it immediately, got my raspberry pi on 6/1
[5:19] <stev> I live in Asia
[5:19] <neofutur> its already been fast for me after ordering
[5:19] <neofutur> i received it before they even tell me its shipped
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[5:19] <neofutur> ( i m in Peru )
[5:19] <netman87> i hope i get mine soon
[5:20] <netman87> im in finland so shipment may take week
[5:20] <netman87> shipping*
[5:21] <Syliss> i ordered mine on a saturday and got it on the next thursday
[5:21] <netman87> dunno how fast they can send one for me
[5:21] <Syliss> its been weeks now
[5:21] <Syliss> shouldn't be too long because you are closer to the uk than i
[5:21] <plugwash> Afaict farnell are used to supplying to development buisnesses and as such tend to use relatively fast couirior services
[5:21] <netman87> RS
[5:21] <netman87> Date of order Sat, 26 May 2012, 02:16 AM
[5:21] <netman87> Your order number
[5:21] <netman87> Method of Payment PayPal
[5:21] <plugwash> as are RS
[5:22] <netman87> Delivery Type Desc Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 5 week(s))
[5:22] <Syliss> ouch
[5:22] <Syliss> maybe because of paypal?
[5:22] <plugwash> So once stuff is dispatched it tends to move pretty quick
[5:22] <netman87> friend did order from farnell and months ago
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[5:22] <neofutur> they also said 5 weeks for me
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[5:22] <neofutur> got it in less than 1 week
[5:22] <netman87> Syliss: oh i did pay it immidiately
[5:22] <Syliss> mine said 7 days
[5:23] <plugwash> Afaict both RS and farnell are deliberately overestimating dispatch times to cover their asses
[5:23] <neofutur> DHL woke me upat 7 am
[5:23] <netman87> plugwash: its still been more than 2 weeks
[5:23] <netman87> and i dont even have "shipment send" email
[5:23] <netman87> and my friend did order and pay months ago and also he dont have anything yet
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[5:24] <Syliss> i never got a shipment sent email
[5:24] <netman87> Syliss: farnell or rs?
[5:24] <Syliss> rs
[5:24] <netman87> hmm
[5:24] <netman87> so i need to be sharp when checking mail
[5:24] <netman87> damn small papers
[5:24] <Syliss> mine came dhl
[5:25] <Syliss> and i paid via credit card just in case
[5:25] <netman87> raahe, finland... im pretty sure its coming with drop service but by finnish post
[5:25] <Syliss> ah
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[5:26] <netman87> its about 85 kilometers to closest DHL office
[5:26] <Syliss> but i did sign up for that code that they would email you to buy one
[5:26] <Syliss> since I'm in the usa
[5:26] <shirro> Should be in the Tau club on Tuesday.RS Pi made it from Heathrow to Adelaide
[5:27] <netman87> Syliss: i did order with one of those codes too
[5:27] <shirro> Pleasantly Surprised that DHL went direct instead of twice round the world
[5:27] <netman87> i just needed to wait for week or so to get money
[5:27] <Syliss> ?
[5:28] <netman87> shirro: haha. some TI samples have travelled more world that i in my lifetime... and they did come in 2 days
[5:28] <Syliss> cause those codes are first come first serve
[5:29] <netman87> i did order and pay 26.5.
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[5:29] <netman87> code did come 17.5.
[5:29] <Syliss> hmm
[5:29] <Syliss> thats 9 days, that might have been too long
[5:30] <netman87> yeah it may take some time
[5:30] <netman87> but still dosnt explain why my friend dosnt have his RPi yet
[5:30] <Syliss> hmm
[5:30] <netman87> as its ordered and paid months ago
[5:30] <Syliss> rs or far?
[5:30] <netman87> far
[5:31] <Syliss> that might be why
[5:31] <Milos> near
[5:31] <netman87> yeah maybe it was too far
[5:31] <Milos> lool
[5:32] <Syliss> well time to watch stuffs, bbl
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[5:33] <netman87> oh if u wanna watch something u can check out my web desing
[5:33] <netman87> i did draw it in ms paint... its awesome
[5:33] <Syliss> I'm watching game of thrones
[5:33] <netman87> maybe some of my friend can make real version :)
[5:33] <netman87> oh i should watch it too... still half of last episode left
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[5:34] <netman87> s02e10 im at 36min
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[5:39] <neofutur> Kasplodey: nop unafiliated cloaks are free, just ask a freenode staffer on #freenode
[5:40] <neofutur> donators cloak are just one type of cloak
[5:40] <neofutur> affiliated and unafiliated are free
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[5:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Is it just me or does a whois still show the ip?
[5:43] <netman87> your ip?
[5:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, so it doesn't show others my ip?
[5:43] <netman87> 06:41:39 -!- ShiftPlusOne [~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone]
[5:44] <netman87> from /whois
[5:44] <ShiftPlusOne> but there's no "[ShiftPlusOne] is connecting from ..." ?
[5:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ah well that's good to know. Thanks.
[5:44] <netman87> hmm i dont see when u did join to channel
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[5:46] <netman87> how about /jump or something
[5:47] <netman87> maybe i just grep from log
[5:47] <ShiftPlusOne> What are you doing?
[5:48] <netman87> 14:45 -!- ShiftPlusOne [~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out]
[5:48] <netman87> 14:46 -!- ShiftPlusOne [~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone] has joined #raspberrypi
[5:48] <neofutur> ShiftPlusOne: /whois me you wont have my ip
[5:48] <netman87> so yes your ip is hidden
[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Already did =)
[5:49] <neofutur> but your host can sometimes be disclosed , whe changing host / before authing , depending on your irc client
[5:49] <neofutur> rarely but it happens
[5:49] <netman87> ShiftPlusOne: i just did search your join/connect from logs as u did ask about it
[5:50] <ShiftPlusOne> ah right, nuh I am not that paranoid, was just mildly curious.
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[5:50] <netman87> wanna be paranoid?
[5:50] <netman87> netman87@lakka:~$ grep ShiftPlusOne irclogs/freenode/#raspberrypi.log | wc -l
[5:51] <netman87> 2540
[5:51] <netman87> 2540 lines that have your nick on log
[5:51] <ShiftPlusOne> heh oh no... things I've said on a public forum D=
[5:52] <ShiftPlusOne> It's ok, I don't intend to run for president... not under this name anyway.
[5:52] <neofutur> this zram feature seem really interesting for the pi
[5:52] <shirro> neofutur: I am confused about how to measure its benefits
[5:53] <netman87> connection by iiNet Limited and region name is vic*
[5:53] <neofutur> well you get more ram via a fast swap
[5:53] <neofutur> for what I understood
[5:53] <neofutur> I gathere all the info i could find on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t50-Using-ZRAM-Virtual-Swap-Compressed.html
[5:53] <neofutur> tell me if I forgot anything
[5:53] <netman87> city Mel*
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[5:54] <shirro> neofutur: I want something measurable though. It could be making things slower for all I know.
[5:54] <neofutur> you ll have a compressed swapin ram, thus avoiding slow swap on ssd/ usb
[5:54] <ShiftPlusOne> netman87, you should be able to narrow is down to Seaford.
[5:54] <neofutur> and avoid killing your ssd/usd with swap
[5:54] <neofutur> it will use the cpu to compress swap
[5:54] <neofutur> if you need more cpu and less ram, its not for yu for sure
[5:55] <shirro> neofutur: I have swappiness low to avoid killing sd. I guess I set it hight to benefit from zram? I just don't know how to tune it
[5:55] <neofutur> no tested yet, but afaik for me its useful, the pi a fast enough CPU but not enough ram ( for me )
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[5:56] <netman87> ShiftPlusOne: nah. im too lazy... all i did was grep nick path/to/log | grep join and then copypaste ip to maxmind demo
[5:56] <neofutur> shirro: not tried yet, but the post include recommended /proc settings for swappiness
[5:56] <shirro> If I run a memory hog like IceWeasel I don't notice a huge difference with zram. So I must have it tuned wrong
[5:56] <netman87> most of people will freak out pretty nicely for doing that :)
[5:57] <netman87> pretty fun when u are talking on omegle and someone is being idiot... just link something to get ip and say something about "oh you are using school network, maybe your school should have abuse report."
[5:58] <rasp7aa> people use omegle at school?
[5:58] <ShiftPlusOne> meh, I have no illusion of privacy on the internet.
[5:58] <shirro> there is no privacy but no need to be an idiot and make it easy for people either
[5:59] <netman87> ShiftPlusOne: can u plz go and kick RS peoples ass? i want already my RPi :) maybe they do it faster if u tell that almighty hacker from internet relay chat was already angry about delivery time
[5:59] <shirro> like taking the gps out of your phone pictures before publishing is pretty basic stuff. not sure why people don't do it
[5:59] <rasp7aa> netman87: ShiftPlusOne has nothing to do with the foundation, nor does he have anything to do with RS
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[6:00] <netman87> but (s)he have nice ascii mark before his nick :(
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[6:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Sure, I'll use powers of being an op on an IRC channel to kick down the door at RS and demand a pi for you. =D
[6:00] <rasp7aa> netman87: not on my client
[6:01] <netman87> oh u arent old enough to feel familiar using computer with that "DOS looking things"
[6:01] <netman87> maybe u arent even playing MUD
[6:01] <shirro> I can't believe my Pi has gone direct from London to Adelaide. I can't believe anything goes direct from London to Adelaide. Even an ICBM would stop off somewhere else before going to Adelaide
[6:02] <rasp7aa> shirro: It probably stopped off in singapore
[6:02] <ShiftPlusOne> if 87 is your year of birth, you don't get to act like an internet old timer.
[6:02] <rasp7aa> who is 87?
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[6:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't... what?
[6:03] <TechJeeper> I was born in 86, so I am an internet old timer :P
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[6:04] <rasp7aa> 89er here
[6:04] <TechJeeper> Youngins'
[6:04] <rasp7aa> I just managed to squeeze into the 80's
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[6:05] <netman87> ShiftPlusOne: yeah. im not old like vic20. im did still use DOS as my primary operating system back when i started using PC's
[6:05] <shirro> rasp7aa: true the plane would most likely have stopped for fuel but tracking doesn't show the package logged at another processing center and then forwarded on which is very cool and slightly unexpected.
[6:05] <netman87> year was 1995 or 1996 and i did do some lame programming in Qbasic
[6:05] <techman2> shirro: I expected it would have bounced all over the place being sent from london
[6:05] <rasp7aa> shirro: Meh, maybe it got on with all the holiday-makers
[6:06] <netman87> also i did use finnish mbnet BBS
[6:06] <rasp7aa> I'm using dos right now
[6:06] <techman2> rasp7aa: nobody goes to Adelaide for a holiday.
[6:06] <shirro> rasp7aa: holiday makers? in winter?
[6:07] <shirro> techman2: not and lives to talk about it :-)
[6:07] <techman2> shirro: I suppose a church tour group perhaps might?
[6:07] <rasp7aa> shirro: You expect us to go over there during an australian summer?! You're having a laugh. I once visited the land of oz during your winter and even then it was veeeery hot
[6:08] <shirro> !weather
[6:08] <PiBot> shirro: in Adelaide, SA on Sun Jun 10 19:00:00 2012. Temp 14??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 44%, Later 19??C - 3??C. Condition: Clear.
[6:08] <techman2> rasp7aa: come to Perth for this Christmas...
[6:08] <rasp7aa> 14C is the perfect temp for me
[6:08] <techman2> rasp7aa: should be a mild 45C.
[6:08] <rasp7aa> !weather london
[6:08] <PiBot> rasp7aa: in london. Temp 52??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 88%, Later 63??F - 54??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[6:09] <techman2> !weather Perth
[6:09] <PiBot> techman2: in Perth, WA. Temp 64??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 83%, Later 72??F - 61??F. Condition: Rain.
[6:09] <rasp7aa> ugh, how do I get it to change to celcius?
[6:09] * Xark finds "hello_triangle" woo-hoo. :)
[6:09] <arthurdent> -32 / 2
[6:09] <rasp7aa> !weather london C
[6:09] <PiBot> rasp7aa: in london C. Temp 52??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 88%, Later 63??F - 54??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[6:09] <shirro> usee !weather_set c
[6:09] <neofutur> 73er here, anyone older here ?
[6:09] <rasp7aa> !weather_set c
[6:09] <PiBot> rasp7aa: You're now using celsius.
[6:09] <rasp7aa> !weather london
[6:09] <PiBot> rasp7aa: in london. Temp 11??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 88%, Later 17??C - 12??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[6:09] <techman2> !weather_set c
[6:09] <PiBot> techman2: You're now using celsius.
[6:09] <rasp7aa> 11C is acceptable
[6:09] <techman2> !weather Perth
[6:09] <PiBot> techman2: in Perth, WA. Temp 18??C. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 83%, Later 22??C - 16??C. Condition: Rain.
[6:10] <neofutur> !weather Cusco
[6:10] <PiBot> neofutur: in Cuzco, Cusco. Temp 7??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 59%, Later 20??C - 0??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[6:10] <netman87> ShiftPlusOne: so you are 'internet old timer'? maybe u can even tell me some good games :) street rod I, street rod II, tetris, bubble bobble, golden axe, commander keen, supaplex
[6:10] <neofutur> never hot here ;(
[6:10] <rasp7aa> !weather bath
[6:10] <PiBot> rasp7aa: in Bath, ME on Sun Jun 10 02:53:00 2012. Temp 11??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 80%, Later 25??C - 11??C. Condition: Clear.
[6:10] <rasp7aa> !weather bath uk
[6:10] <PiBot> rasp7aa: in Bath, Bath and North East Somerset. Temp 10??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 94%, Later 17??C - 11??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[6:10] <DaQatz> !weather_set k
[6:10] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using kelvin.
[6:10] <DaQatz> !w
[6:10] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Sun Jun 10 07:51:00 2012. Temp 289K. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 60%, Later 298K - 280K. Condition: Clear.
[6:10] <shirro> Ins't it summer in the uk? What is with the winter temperatures?
[6:10] <rasp7aa> mr smarty pants
[6:11] <arthurdent> !w
[6:11] <arthurdent> :( wat
[6:11] <arthurdent> !weather
[6:11] <arthurdent> !weather Olympia, WA
[6:11] <PiBot> arthurdent: in Olympia, WA on Sun Jun 10 02:54:00 2012. Temp 12??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 66%, Later 20??C - 7??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[6:11] <rasp7aa> shirro: Just high enough for the snow not to settle
[6:11] <arthurdent> !weather_set f
[6:11] <PiBot> arthurdent: You're now using fahrenheit.
[6:11] <arthurdent> !weather Olympia, WA
[6:11] <PiBot> arthurdent: in Olympia, WA on Sun Jun 10 02:54:00 2012. Temp 54??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 66%, Later 68??F - 46??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[6:11] <SSilver2k2> got an interesting issue. put in an 8gb card, installed debian squeeze, had to change the kernel because of the mmc timeouts, then i resized the partiton table so it would see the whole sd card, and then bam, startx freezes.
[6:11] <netman87> !weather oulu, FI
[6:11] <PiBot> netman87: in Oulu, Northern Ostrobothnia. Temp 48??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 76%, Later 63??F - 46??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[6:11] <ShiftPlusOne> netman87, no, I am same as you in that sense... started with dos.
[6:11] <SSilver2k2> im wondering if its a swap issue
[6:12] <arthurdent> SSilver2k2: are you using a swap?
[6:12] <rasp7aa> SSilver2k2: Go back to the stock kernel
[6:12] <DaQatz> !weather_set loc Berwick ,ME
[6:12] <PiBot> DaQatz: Your location has been set to Berwick ,ME.
[6:12] <SSilver2k2> stock kernel causes the mmc0 timeout errors with my sd card
[6:12] <SSilver2k2> i have to use the rpi updater to get the latest kernel
[6:12] <neofutur> weather_set loc Cuzco, Cusco
[6:13] <arthurdent> !weather_set loc Olympia, WA
[6:13] <PiBot> arthurdent: Your location has been set to Olympia, WA.
[6:13] <neofutur> !weather_set loc Cuzco, Cusco
[6:13] <PiBot> neofutur: Your location has been set to Cuzco, Cusco.
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[6:13] <techman2> anyone know of any R-Pi newsgroups?
[6:13] <neofutur> !weather
[6:13] <PiBot> neofutur: in Cuzco, Cusco. Temp 44??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 59%, Later 68??F - 32??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[6:13] <netman87> what bot engine / script is pibot using for weather
[6:13] <neofutur> eh cool feature
[6:13] <shirro> Xark: wait until you see the sequel hello_triangle2 the empire strikes back
[6:13] <netman87> i would like to have that feature at my bot on different network and channel
[6:14] <Xark> shirro: Hehe, actually that one was hyped up too much. :) Maybe that was the prequel? :)
[6:14] <rasp7aa> netman87: irssi
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[6:14] <netman87> oh and my bot is using eggdrop :/
[6:14] <DaQatz> PiBot is custom
[6:14] <netman87> rasp7aa: can u tell name of script or send it? or who owns bot
[6:14] <DaQatz> Not eggdrop
[6:14] <neofutur> netman87: ask on #egghelp
[6:15] <neofutur> pretty sure theres one for eggdrop
[6:15] <netman87> yeah maybe
[6:15] <netman87> i just have used finnish one
[6:15] <DaQatz> Atm it's bouncing through irssi though
[6:15] <Xark> shirro: I have yet to see either triangle in HDMI glory though. I need to reboot as I my TV auto offs without signal, and now I am in composite mode (I've been using serial term for console). :)
[6:15] <netman87> but as im on international clan for one game i would get/make one with english and more countrys supported
[6:16] <Xark> shirro: Your arrive today?
[6:16] <Xark> yours*
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[6:16] * PiBot sets mode +v flimshaw
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[6:17] <shirro> Xark: no it fell out of the sky about 3hrs drive away. it might turn up around tuesday I hope. I have one already so is no biggie
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[6:17] <Xark> shirro: Hehe, cool.
[6:18] <Xark> shirro: I am about ready to order another one (so I can "experiment" more freely - a bit scared to goof with GPIO much on only unit).
[6:18] <rasp7aa> perhaps a bogan stole it
[6:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm... a friend's pi on ebay got $122 in bids so far. Surprised they are still selling for that much.
[6:19] <techman2> yeah I would have thought prices would be down now
[6:19] <mkopack> That's stupid. I bought 3 for that price
[6:19] <mkopack> SHIPPED
[6:19] <rasp7aa> ShiftPlusOne: It's probably all that iranian who was here the other day
[6:19] <shirro> rasp7aa: most bogans are rolling in money these days. They are more likely out tearing the country up with dirtbikes or power boats on a long weekend
[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> And there's still 8 hours to go, so it's likely to jump a fair bit.
[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> mkopack, you're the exception >=/
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[6:20] <netman87> i wanna also order more than one at time
[6:21] <netman87> damn order code did accept only one
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[6:21] * PiBot sets mode +v Lord_DeathMatch
[6:21] <rasp7aa> netman87: The distributors were originally instructed by the foundation to issue one per customer
[6:22] <netman87> its still no good... i wanted 3
[6:22] <shirro> For ebay prices you are better off buying another arm board and getting a broader experience
[6:22] <rasp7aa> buy a sheevaplug
[6:23] <rasp7aa> but don't get a panda, they suck
[6:23] <netman87> i want panda
[6:23] <netman87> if someone have panda lying around i can give good use for one
[6:23] <netman87> just send to my apartment
[6:23] <rasp7aa> how much
[6:24] <netman87> hmm normal one cost about 160-180 eur with tax and so on when new... dunno.. 80?
[6:25] <netman87> hmm i need to check if i did remember it right
[6:25] <rasp7aa> 200 euro
[6:25] <techman2> I'm curious to know how long it will be before linux is available for the VIA APC
[6:25] <GabrialDestruir_> Apparently if you have a windows share go missing and you try to add more windows shares to OpenELEC
[6:25] <GabrialDestruir_> it crashes
[6:25] <rasp7aa> apparently?
[6:25] <netman87> 174,93 EUR
[6:26] <GabrialDestruir_> That's what's happening on mine.
[6:26] <Softnux> does XMBC have network streaming support?
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[6:26] <rasp7aa> 200 euro
[6:26] <GabrialDestruir_> Yes?
[6:26] <Softnux> XBMC*
[6:26] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh
[6:26] <GabrialDestruir_> wait -facedesks-
[6:26] * cyruss (cyruss@unaffiliated/cyruss) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[6:26] <GabrialDestruir_> I know why it's crash.
[6:26] <rasp7aa> CMBX*
[6:26] <GabrialDestruir_> crashing*
[6:26] <netman87> rasp7aa: hah :D 200eur? for that i can get new pandaboard es with shipping
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[6:27] <rasp7aa> netman87: mine has tender love and care
[6:27] <GabrialDestruir_> If you don't have an INTERNET connection
[6:27] <rasp7aa> 200 euro
[6:27] <GabrialDestruir_> and try to add videos from a network share
[6:27] <rasp7aa> GabrialDestruir_: lol noob
[6:27] <GabrialDestruir_> it crashes
[6:27] <netman87> im not paying extra for your love mayonnaise on it
[6:27] <GabrialDestruir_> I forgot I stole the cord to fix a problem with my network
[6:28] <rasp7aa> 200 euro
[6:28] <netman87> no deal
[6:28] <rasp7aa> your loss
[6:28] <GabrialDestruir_> 200 USD
[6:29] <rasp7aa> GabrialDestruir_: what kind of person only has one rj45?
[6:29] <netman87> i have too much cables :(
[6:29] <GabrialDestruir_> I have more than 1 they're all in use though.
[6:29] <GabrialDestruir_> The one for my Pi was my portablish one
[6:30] <netman87> i have more cables than clothes :(
[6:30] <rasp7aa> you need to stockpile
[6:30] <rasp7aa> in case of emergencies
[6:30] <GabrialDestruir_> They're expensive so I avoid stockpiling
[6:30] <rasp7aa> no
[6:30] <netman87> everytime i clean my house i throw away few power,usb and network cables...
[6:30] <rasp7aa> just buy a reel
[6:31] <GabrialDestruir_> You should send your USB and network cables to me :p
[6:31] <GabrialDestruir_> Donate to the poor -nods-
[6:31] * plugwash finds the opposite on cables, it's often worth stockpiling them because buying them online is cheap, buying them when you need on in a hurry is expensive
[6:31] <plugwash> *need one in a hurry
[6:31] <rasp7aa> buy a reel, and a box of jacks, then crimp your own
[6:31] <rasp7aa> perfect length every time
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[6:32] <netman87> plugwash: yeah. but also collecting stuff isnt good... i had no room at my apartment... so i did give away 2 laptops
[6:32] <netman87> well B-ware ones
[6:32] <plugwash> rasp7aa, I do when I want a unusually short or unusually long cables
[6:32] <GabrialDestruir_> Sure if you can afford a real of ethernet
[6:32] <rasp7aa> GabrialDestruir_: quite cheap for 100m
[6:33] <netman87> my friend did come to get them and did give me bag of candy's <3
[6:33] <plugwash> but I find crimping is a PITA and for normal cables there is no real cost saving if you buy the premade cables somewhere cheap
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[6:33] <rasp7aa> yeah but if you want a super shoot cable for connecting your pi to your router, then it's great
[6:33] <rasp7aa> *short
[6:34] <plugwash> agreed, I have a laptop cased up with some network gear for feild work at uni and there is no way I would have wanted to use premade cables in that
[6:34] <netman87> yeah less cable, less latency
[6:34] <arthurdent> http://sellout.woot.com/offers/centon-64gb-class-10-sdxc-card
[6:34] <arthurdent> 64GB for $35
[6:34] <plugwash> because I wanted specific lengths to keep the cables under control
[6:35] <rasp7aa> arthurdent: unlikely to work on the pi
[6:35] <mute> sdxc ? hrm
[6:35] <arthurdent> ok :P well i didn't buy one
[6:35] <plugwash> but for regular cables (not super short not super long) it's easier and just as cheap to buy them ready made from rapid
[6:35] <GabrialDestruir_> That's not a bad price, but I don't think the Pi could use it xD
[6:35] <akSeya> hey there :)
[6:35] <rasp7aa> I tend to find with flash memory, the bigger it is, the slower it is
[6:35] <arthurdent> that's a pretty incredible price really o_O ~50c/gb
[6:36] <arthurdent> GB*
[6:36] <rasp7aa> arthurdent: well it woot, what did you expect other than an incredible price?
[6:36] <rasp7aa> *its
[6:36] <akSeya> folks, i'm trying to get a bluetooth keyboard to work with my raspi.. i'm on it via ssh, and playing with hcitool and examples from /usr/share/doc/bluez/exaplmes
[6:36] <arthurdent> I'm surprised even woot was capable of a deal like this
[6:36] <akSeya> s/examplmes/examples
[6:37] <rasp7aa> examples
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[6:37] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm weary of low priced high space cards. I had a 16GB C10 that was a transcend or something
[6:37] <GabrialDestruir_> it burned out in like 2 months
[6:37] <rasp7aa> burnt out?
[6:37] <GabrialDestruir_> w/e sdcards do
[6:37] <GabrialDestruir_> it stopped working period
[6:37] <rasp7aa> GabrialDestruir_: you need to safely remove it before you pull it out
[6:38] <GabrialDestruir_> It was microsd and I had it in my Nook Touch to store all my books on, never removed it until it died.
[6:38] <rasp7aa> well thats microsd for you
[6:38] <neofutur> GabrialDestruir_: ewere you swapping on the sd card ?
[6:39] <GabrialDestruir_> No
[6:39] <neofutur> or other intensive disk usage app ?
[6:39] <rasp7aa> SWAPPING IS FORBIDDEN
[6:39] <GabrialDestruir_> Maybe the reading app might of been disk intensive, but since none of my other microsd have died since I'll go with no
[6:39] <netman87> oh noes i wanna order one or two of those SD cards but i dont have money yet... damn 25minutes
[6:40] <arthurdent> i'm pretty sure it's writes that wear out the ssd, not reads
[6:40] <netman87> maybe it was just made by garfield fan at monday
[6:41] <netman87> before lunch
[6:41] <Xark> arthurdent: That is a pretty significant flaw. :)
[6:41] <rasp7aa> Xark: ssds employ wear leveling
[6:41] <rasp7aa> flash memory does
[6:42] <rasp7aa> not
[6:42] <netman87> but arent they pretty bad with voltage changes? so if there was something with that matter?
[6:43] <Xark> rasp4aa: I understand, but I am with GabrialDestruir_ in not trusting SD. I have seen every machine using SD as a root filesystem die sooner or later (often soon). I wish it were not so...
[6:44] <neofutur> SDXC class 10 is not supported by the pi card reader ?
[6:44] <neofutur> is it sure ?
[6:45] <rasp7aa> sdxc is not supported by a lot of things
[6:46] <GabrialDestruir_> xbmc can't see .mp4?
[6:46] <GabrialDestruir_> That sucks
[6:46] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh wait -.-
[6:46] <GabrialDestruir_> It didn't finish adding the folder. blah
[6:46] <plugwash> AIUI there are no signficiant differences in the interface between SDHC and SDXC so there is no reason SDXC shouldn't work
[6:47] <zgreg> SDXC is not supported in the sense that you cannot use the newer, faster interface speeds
[6:47] <plugwash> whether a particular SDXC card gets along with the Pi's slightly picky interface is another matter
[6:47] <zgreg> but SDXC should definitely work
[6:47] <zgreg> well, anyway, many SDXC don't even support UHS-I speeds
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[6:51] <neofutur> this sellout.woot.com website selling those cards is a serious website ?
[6:51] * neofutur hesitating on getting one
[6:52] <GabrialDestruir_> From my understanding SDXC should work on any type 3 sdhc card reader or something
[6:52] <netman87> what a... i cant order that SD card to finland
[6:53] <neofutur> pff chile is in their country list, but not peru . . .
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[6:54] <GabrialDestruir_> But the OS has to be able to support exfat32 or some BS for it to be usable
[6:54] <rasp7aa> neofutur: Yes, they are quite big, they usually sell clearance stuff
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[6:56] <plugwash> GabrialDestruir_, afaict there is nothing stopping you wiping out the exfat filesystem and replacing it with whatever you like
[6:57] <GabrialDestruir_> I suppose.
[6:57] <rasp7aa> isn't exfat a microsoft venture?
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[6:57] <GabrialDestruir_> and with repartitioning you could drop ext4 on there
[6:58] <neofutur> netman87: same for me, couldnt order to peru ;(
[6:58] <plugwash> rasp7aa, yeah, exfat was created by MS and was intended to be a replacement for fat32 on removable media etc
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[6:58] <GabrialDestruir_> exfat is fat32 or w/e
[6:58] <GabrialDestruir_> But without the 4GB limitation
[6:59] <GabrialDestruir_> at least that's my understanding.
[6:59] <plugwash> unfortunately last I checked support for it was poor. You almost certainly get wider compatibility with NTFS than with exfat
[6:59] <plugwash> downside of NTFS is that it has higher overheads and the permissions can be a pain when using it on removable media
[7:00] <rasp7aa> you're not supposed to use ntfs with flash media
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[7:03] <zgreg> oh lawd
[7:03] <zgreg> I think I found another bug in the arasan sdhci driver
[7:03] <zgreg> the clock divisor calculation is not correct
[7:04] <shirro> zgreg: get me 15MB/s and I will send you a pizza
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[7:05] <zgreg> basically, it assumes that the clock is (base / divisor), but that's not how it works according to documentation
[7:06] <zgreg> according to sdhci specification, the clock is (base / (divisor+1))
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[7:06] <zgreg> so, essentially, the driver always uses only *half* the clock it claims to use
[7:06] <zgreg> I get about 19MB/s now
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[7:07] <neofutur> http://dx.com/p/1200mah-rechargeable-external-battery-pack-with-car-charger-usb-cable-for-iphone-4-3gs-black-94954
[7:07] <neofutur> seem perfect for the pi
[7:08] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.amazon.com/10000mAh-External-Optional-Recorders-Sensation/dp/B005NGKR54/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
[7:08] <jaxdahl2> i bet that takes forver to recharge
[7:09] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, 10000mAh is crazy.
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[7:09] <neofutur> With Two USB ports
[7:10] <neofutur> one for the pi and one for the hub
[7:10] <GabrialDestruir_> I didn't realize that some blu-ray's come in "widescreen" formate
[7:10] <rasp7aa> GabrialDestruir_: they all do
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[7:10] <GabrialDestruir_> Well I mean the old style widescreen format, where you've got the black lines across the top and bottom
[7:11] <netman87> haha
[7:11] <rasp7aa> letterbox?
[7:11] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah yea that's what it's called .-.
[7:11] <rasp7aa> most films will have letterboxes
[7:11] <netman87> "buy blu-ray widescreen, see more" -> "we have removed part of video so u can see it in widescreen"
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[7:12] <GabrialDestruir_> Well it seems the only version of this video i'm looking for online they're all 1280x544
[7:12] <GabrialDestruir_> for the 720p versions
[7:12] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
[7:13] <rasp7aa> interlaced?
[7:13] <rasp7aa> 1280x544 is 1080i isn't it?
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[7:13] <GabrialDestruir_> no clue .-.
[7:13] <kadafi> holy crap pacquiao lost tonight
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[7:15] <zgreg> alright, I've pretty much nailed SD performance now
[7:15] <zgreg> solid Timing buffered disk reads: 56 MB in 3.03 seconds = 18.50 MB/sec
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[7:16] <zgreg> that is with the emmc block running at 50 MHz
[7:16] <netman87> zgreg: magic
[7:20] <rasp7aa> what card?
[7:20] <shirro> zgreg: will this work with a b368 card?
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[7:22] <zgreg> these have been quite problematic overall, dunno
[7:23] <shirro> perhaps I should just get the same sd card you have?
[7:23] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah... and the 1080p ones are all like 1980x860 .-.
[7:24] <zgreg> no, these SD cards should be fixed
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[7:24] <rasp7aa> GabrialDestruir_: where are you looking/
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[7:28] <zgreg> shirro: well, maybe the lowered eMMC base clock is good for stability and helps with those cards
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[7:29] <zgreg> shirro: while researching SDHCI problems in linux I found a post on the LKML about a ricoh SDHCI controller with similar problems which were fixed by lowering the base clock
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[7:31] <shirro> I can bump init_emmc_clock though and get improvements. Just not change the return of sdhci_bcm2708_get_max_clock
[7:31] <shirro> I wonder if this divisor change will help? Which line is it?
[7:33] <zgreg> it's more than one line, but simple
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[7:33] <zgreg> from what I can see those b368 SD cards do not handle the transition to high-speed mode correctly
[7:34] <zgreg> it's no wonder raising emmc clock works... by default the clock is limited to just 10 MHz actual clock, so you should be able to safely raise the emmc clock up to 250 MHz
[7:35] <zgreg> err no, not quite... up to 200 MHz :)
[7:35] <zgreg> shirro: I'm pushing my changes to github at the moment
[7:35] <shirro> zgreg: I think that is about right. I run at 160 at the moment - backed off a bit thinking it might be safer
[7:35] <techman2> what are the b368 cards?
[7:36] <zgreg> it's a certain make/controller of SD cards that is problematic with the SD high-performance fixes I made
[7:36] <shirro> grep dmesg for a line like mmc0: new SDHC card at address b368
[7:36] <techman2> right
[7:37] <zgreg> well, I have
[7:37] <zgreg> mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address 0002
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[7:37] <shirro> one of these things sucks more than the other...
[7:37] <zgreg> well, and
[7:37] <zgreg> Timing buffered disk reads: 56 MB in 3.03 seconds = 18.48 MB/sec
[7:37] <zgreg> :)
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[7:39] <techman2> so dmesg shows the relevant information on cards?
[7:39] <zgreg> only partially
[7:40] <shirro> Can also look at ls /sys/bus/mmc/devices/ I guess
[7:41] <rasp7aa> I am e634
[7:41] <techman2> my card is reporting e624
[7:41] <shirro> zgreg: would it help to have any info from within /sys/bus/mmc/devices/mmc0:b368
[7:41] <rasp7aa> *624
[7:42] <zgreg> shirro: I don't know, someone already sent me register dumps, but they did not look special at all
[7:44] <zgreg> fun thing: google for "sdhci b368" and you'll see a bunch of problem reports
[7:45] <shirro> zgreg: get more results for sdhci 0002
[7:47] <zgreg> yes, but many of the results are not related to SD cards with that address
[7:47] <GabrialDestruir_> Bah... I hate when DNS don't update immediately.
[7:47] <zgreg> try searching for "card at address b368" vs 0002
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[7:48] <techman2> where can the SD clock be bumped?
[7:49] <rasp7aa> kernel
[7:49] <zgreg> I'm still pushing the kernel repo over my slow ADSL line, when it's done it should be at https://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux
[7:50] <shirro> techman2: the wrong way to do it is to add a line in config,txt with init_emmc_clock=[some big number]
[7:50] <shirro> techman2: It isn't subtle but it works up to a point
[7:51] <zgreg> it should (mostly) work up to 200 MHz
[7:51] <zgreg> but you're still out of spec
[7:51] <shirro> 160000000 is definately safe and will about double performance
[7:52] <zgreg> shirro: you know what?
[7:52] <rasp7aa> I thought you weren't going to recommend this
[7:52] <zgreg> I have a b368 card
[7:52] <zgreg> it works fine...
[7:53] <zgreg> it is a small 1 GB card, though
[7:53] <shirro> zgreg: perhaps the number isn't significant
[7:53] <GabrialDestruir_> Why apparently.... is the solution to not getting caught pirating, to spend money on a VPS or something so as not to get caught?
[7:53] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[7:53] <zgreg> yeah, that might be true
[7:54] <rasp7aa> GabrialDestruir_: ???
[7:54] <shirro> I think I need to try a few different cards when I can get your kernel
[7:55] <zgreg> http://pastebin.com/PVNe4GZM
[7:55] <zgreg> this is what it looks like in dmesg, with added debug output
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[7:56] <techman2> atm I am using a C6 Sandisk 4GB that is advertised as capable of 30MB/sec. Writing images to it in Windows on my laptop it seems to write at about 10-11MB/sec.
[7:56] <rasp7aa> techman2: that is the read speed they are advertising
[7:57] <techman2> yeah I know
[7:57] <shirro> techman2: have you tried sudo hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0 on your Pi? what is your buffered disk reads?
[7:57] <zgreg> that must be a UHS-I capable card
[7:58] <shirro> It should be around 4.5 or something
[7:58] <techman2> ok let me try
[7:58] <techman2> buffered reads 4.44MB/sec
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[7:59] <zgreg> if you're curious, I have uploaded a kernel image to http://greg.kinoho.net/kernel-20120610.img.xz
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[7:59] <shirro> techman2: same as everyone else regardless of how much they spent on a card
[8:00] <techman2> yep
[8:00] <shirro> you can almost certainly get it to 8, perhaps even 12 with the config hack but to get it to 18.48 like zgreg is something else
[8:00] <techman2> so basically SD clock is ridiculously low to get as many cards working as possible?
[8:01] <zgreg> techman2: maybe, but it's also low due to bugs
[8:01] <techman2> right
[8:01] <zgreg> by default, it'll only use 10 MHz maximum
[8:01] <techman2> what would be normal operating range for most cards then?
[8:02] <zgreg> with 4-bit transfers that's 40 mbit/s, and 4.5 MB/s is reasonable for that
[8:02] <zgreg> techman2: 50 MHz
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[8:03] <techman2> any idea on the source of the bugs? kernel drivers or hardware?
[8:03] <zgreg> kernel drivers
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[8:03] <techman2> ok
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[8:05] <urata> anyone here interested in the Wikireader?
[8:05] <techman2> is anyone else seeing SD card errors when running rpi-update?
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[8:11] <devz3ro> what up
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[8:17] <chancellorsmith> Gadgetoid: you round' ?
[8:17] <ShiftPlusOne> techman2, if they're the ones I think you're asking about, they're normal.
[8:18] <chancellorsmith> I need a case - recommendations ? or where can i get hold of a load of lego cheap ?
[8:19] <techman2> ShiftPlusOne: I've just run it again but didn't get any this time
[8:19] <neofutur> chancellorsmith: i gathered links on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f23-Case.html
[8:19] <neofutur> if you find others not yet there, tell me
[8:19] <techman2> chancellorsmith: I like the modmypi ones.
[8:20] <chancellorsmith> i'd actually like a lego one but don't have the lego !
[8:20] <chancellorsmith> my son has duplo - too big!
[8:24] <rasp7aa> isn't lego compatible with duplo?
[8:25] <chancellorsmith> it's all rather chunky
[8:29] <plugwash> rasp7aa, duplo bricks are much larger than lego bricks, the stud pitch is doubled, the standard brick height is doubled and single stud wide duplo bricks are very rare
[8:29] <plugwash> there is some compatibility, duplo bricks will stack on top of lego studs but they don't seem to grip that firmly in my experiance. Basic lego bricks with even dimensions will stack on top of duplo
[8:30] <plugwash> most Pi cases i've seen are made of single stud wide lego bricks (1/4 the width of duplo bricks)
[8:30] <plugwash> even using two stud wide lego bricks I think you would find connector access difficult, let alone duplo bricks
[8:30] <rasp7aa> who needs connector access?!
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[8:35] <plugwash> chancellorsmith, if you want bulk lots of mixed lego go to ebay (if you are impatiant and prepared to pay a slight premium) or local auctions/carboots/etc if you are prepared to do some digging and want a better price
[8:35] <plugwash> if you want specific parts then bricklink is generally the place to go but it tends to be more expensive
[8:36] <chancellorsmith> plugwash: you clearly know your onions when it comes to lego!
[8:36] <chancellorsmith> plugwash: many thanks
[8:36] <zgreg> atal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
[8:36] <zgreg> fatal: expected ok/error, helper said '0009???????????ffef[??????^??????+???????Rx??????c???c???pY?????Q?????????_???G*???l\???+cS??????}???suF'
[8:36] <zgreg> nice going, git
[8:36] <zgreg> it's not like I spent half an hour to push this...
[8:37] <techman2> zgreg: doh
[8:37] <techman2> zgreg: what's the speed of your ADSL link?
[8:37] <zgreg> uplink is only 1 mbps
[8:38] <techman2> zgreg: that's the best anyone can get with ADSL here too
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[8:38] <techman2> zgreg: my cable is 30Mbps down/1Mbps up too
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[8:40] <techman2> hrm I was going to try an old PS2 keyboard out with the Pi using an adapter but its power requirements are reported as 5V/200ma
[8:40] <techman2> seems high for a keyboard..
[8:41] <baneat> those old clunkers suck up a lot of power
[8:41] <plugwash> Of course what is printed on it and what it actually uses may be two different things
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[8:41] <plugwash> also note that passive adaptors only work for relatively modern keyboards, to use an older keyboard on USB you will need an active adaptor
[8:41] <techman2> I have no idea re: the adapter
[8:42] <baneat> what came before PS2?
[8:42] <baneat> it's enormous
[8:42] <techman2> baneat: 5 pin DIN AT
[8:42] <baneat> yeah that's what I've got
[8:42] <plugwash> 5 pin DIN AT, electrically compatible with PS/2
[8:42] <techman2> plugwash: it's just a generic adapter I bought a few years back
[8:43] <baneat> Yeah I have it adapted to PS/2
[8:43] <baneat> but it's rated for 200mA as well
[8:43] <techman2> baneat: Model M?
[8:43] <baneat> nah it uses alps greens
[8:43] <techman2> ah right
[8:43] <baneat> pretty uncommon keyboard
[8:43] <techman2> my Unicomp customizer seems to work ok with Pi
[8:43] <baneat> Ortek MCK-301
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[8:44] <baneat> if you google it it doesn't even show much about it at all
[8:44] <plugwash> techman2, in my experiance generally adaptors with just one PS/2 connector are passive adaptors while adaptors with both a keyboard connector and a mouse connector are active adaptors
[8:44] <techman2> plugwash: ok well it has both keyboard and mouse.
[8:44] <baneat> I mean I spilled a can of coke in it so I'm not using it but it looks old school
[8:45] <plugwash> passive adaptors will only work with keyboards that can detect and switch modes between USB and PS/2, active adaptors should work with any keyboard but sometimes they don't due to chineese corner cutting
[8:45] <baneat> no idea how you clean a mechanical keyboard
[8:45] <techman2> baneat: not easily if it's in the switches.
[8:45] <nacimmep> floss
[8:45] <baneat> yeah.. a few of the keys don't work
[8:46] <baneat> I can pull the keys up but that's t
[8:46] <nacimmep> rip them out and fix them
[8:46] <plugwash> If you spill coke on something you pretty much have to respond quickly or you will likely cause major damage
[8:47] <nacimmep> high fructose switch locking epoxy
[8:47] <baneat> can I dissolve it with anything?
[8:47] <baneat> maybe something I can pour into the switches then dry
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[8:48] <nacimmep> hot water bath
[8:48] <baneat> water's not very clean..
[8:48] <plugwash> hot water would be my first try but you would have found things much easier if you had washed it as soon as the spill happened
[8:48] <nacimmep> all that fluoride
[8:48] <techman2> baneat: ask on geekhack.org
[8:48] <baneat> maybe distilled water but not tap water O.o
[8:49] <plugwash> distilled water would be prefferable to tap water but tap water is definately prefereable to coca-cola
[8:49] <baneat> I bet I'd just completely ruin it with tap water
[8:49] <techman2> I've heard of some people having success in dishwashers but I wouldn't be game to try it myself
[8:49] <baneat> I'd have washing powder residue etc
[8:50] <baneat> I was thinking denatured alcohol
[8:50] <baneat> or iso
[8:51] <baneat> unrelated; anyone using openelec and having trouble with subtitles?
[8:51] <baneat> Mine autoloads any subtitle file in the same folder but it doesn't let you disable them
[8:52] <nacimmep> or subfolder
[8:52] <techman2> hrm
[8:52] <nacimmep> i think
[8:52] <baneat> maybe subfolder too,, the thing is when I go to the subtitle section it just says "No subtitles" so I can't actually stop them
[8:53] <baneat> and some of these subtitles are badly out of sync
[8:53] <techman2> plugwash: just tried the PS2 keyboard. Seems to be working but getting no caps lock light
[8:54] * plugwash suggests soldering a wire over the polyswitch
[8:54] <kiriappeee> hey everyone... looking for some help on deciding whether to go with getting a raspberry pi... not sure if this is the right channel..
[8:54] <techman2> I had the same symptoms with my Leopold mechanical.
[8:55] <baneat> The answer is; yes
[8:55] <baneat> also, anyone made a case for theirs?
[8:55] <neofutur> kiriappeee: the Pi is great ! get one
[8:55] <neofutur> ( well you could have to wait 3 months before ordering )
[8:55] <baneat> When did it come out?
[8:55] <neofutur> eeryone ewants a Pi !
[8:55] <baneat> I registered interest on release
[8:56] <baneat> and got it 3 days ago
[8:56] <neofutur> same here
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[8:56] <neofutur> baneat: i gathered links for available cases on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f23-Case.html
[8:57] <kiriappeee> what are the projects you guys are building on it?
[8:57] <baneat> nothing cool; I just really hate xbox 360s
[8:57] <kiriappeee> since I already have my programming rig both at home and office wasn't sure what I'd do with it if I ordered one (I can wait). so looking for some inspiration
[8:57] <neofutur> bed mini computer here , to stay near ssh and irc even when sleeping
[8:58] <baneat> I think most people are adopting the logic of it being so cheap they can buy it then figure out what to do with it later
[8:58] <neofutur> +1
[8:58] <baneat> for fence sitters
[8:58] <baneat> so are there any case schematics I can make using some sheet material and a dremel?
[8:58] <neofutur> a credit card size computer is cool and can be used for many things
[8:59] <kiriappeee> neofutur: projects you've built?
[8:59] <techman2> I like the idea of a system with limitations, makes people more creative with softare
[9:00] <techman2> software even
[9:00] <neofutur> still buiding, waiting to receive a mini display and a blutooth keyboard
[9:00] <neofutur> works well qith RCA on the tv for now
[9:00] <neofutur> also waiting for a wifi dongle
[9:00] <baneat> I'd love to be able to get the template for this: http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
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[9:03] <baneat> speaking of spilling stuff in your keyboard, have a look at the advice they gave this guy http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=As1wTYHsPvZsbPDVvvt6_eKJJ3RG;_ylv=3?qid=20120607175710AAI9NCK
[9:04] <baneat> "let it dry, hope it works" - "Suck the stuff out" - "Cover keyboard in rice"
[9:04] <arthurdent> covering it in rice is somewhat likely to work. best option is to unplug it and throw it in the dishwasher and then put it in a bag of rice
[9:05] <arthurdent> leave it in for a while. at least 24 horus
[9:05] <arthurdent> hours
[9:05] <baneat> why would the rice do anything
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[9:05] <arthurdent> the rice abosrbs the moisture, the moister is causing a short
[9:06] <arthurdent> so the signal from keys pressed don't reach all the way to their destination
[9:06] <baneat> wouldn't the moisture just evaporate anyway
[9:06] <arthurdent> well sure, but the rice will speed it up considerably
[9:06] <baneat> how...
[9:06] <arthurdent> by abosrbing the moisture...
[9:07] <arthurdent> you use dry rice...
[9:07] <baneat> I'll need to think about the mechanics behind that
[9:07] <arthurdent> you don't like... prepare steamy sticky white rice and stick your keyboard in it, you put it in rice that is dry as a bone and it will pull the moisture out of the air sapping it away from the keyboard
[9:07] <arthurdent> it's about equilibrium
[9:07] <baneat> well it won't pull it
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[9:12] <arthurdent> yes it will... it doesn't just wait for the moisture to land on the rice
[9:12] <arthurdent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy
[9:13] <arthurdent> http://www.ehow.com/info_12202245_rice-pull-out-moisture-batteries.html
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[9:15] <arthurdent> probably wont work for chocolate milk because of the sugar, but rice is definitely a savior of electronics when they get wet from liquids composed mostly of water
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[9:18] <baneat> cool
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[9:19] <baneat> like those packets of stuff you're not meant to eat from shoeboxes
[9:19] <hotwings> silica
[9:19] <arthurdent> silica gel
[9:19] <arthurdent> and yep, it works pretty much the same way
[9:20] <arthurdent> sometimes you'll find those in your electronics packages
[9:20] <hotwings> harddrives
[9:22] <baneat> yeah I had one in a motherboard case once? idk
[9:23] <hotwings> yup
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[9:33] <nacimmep> yeh i used rice on my cellphone
[9:34] <nacimmep> had it in a breast pocket bent over for a beer out of a cooler and plop it went in
[9:34] <plugwash> but you should always rememember the order to do things in, remove gunky sticky liquids first THEN try to dry the thing out
[9:34] <nacimmep> yanked it out pulled the battery waited till i got home and rice bagged it for a day
[9:35] <nacimmep> i love it it still works great but the moisture indicators are activated ;)
[9:35] <nacimmep> kind of reduces the resale value
[9:35] <nacimmep> :P
[9:37] <nacimmep> yeah i dont think its soda in his keyboard making keys stick ;)
[9:37] <nacimmep> it might be "something else"
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[9:55] <baneat> definitely cola
[9:55] <baneat> :<
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[10:42] <Skrotus> hellos
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[10:55] <badders> Morning all
[10:55] <Skrotus> hi
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[11:43] <Fatal_eXception0> hi all
[11:43] <Skrotus> hi
[11:43] <reider59> hi skrotus
[11:43] <Fatal_eXception0> I'm after kernel help, is this the right channel or is -dev better?
[11:43] <ShiftPlusOne> What kind of kernel help?
[11:44] <Skrotus> hello reider59
[11:44] <ShiftPlusOne> The simple kind or the not-so-simple kind?
[11:44] <Fatal_eXception0> i've compiled a kernel and done dpkg -i on it, but I don't know how to select it to boot
[11:44] <Fatal_eXception0> it doesn't have lilo
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[11:44] <Fatal_eXception0> it's been a long time since I was compiling kernels...
[11:44] <XeCrypt> config.txt?
[11:44] <Fatal_eXception0> where's that
[11:44] <Fatal_eXception0> ?
[11:44] <XeCrypt> on the first partition, fat
[11:44] <Skrotus> lilo yeah I don't remember using that for a long time
[11:45] <ShiftPlusOne> Fatal_eXception0, embedded linux doesn't work the way you're expecting it to.
[11:45] <Fatal_eXception0> no, i realise that :P
[11:45] <Fatal_eXception0> i guess i have to mount part 0 then
[11:45] <ShiftPlusOne> And... I am not a big fan of debian, so excuse my ignorance, but why do you need to dpkg -i?
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[11:46] <Fatal_eXception0> wait no its on /boot. but I have no config.txt in there
[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Fatal_eXception0, it should be mounted on /boot already.
[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> cmdline.txt
[11:46] <neofutur> mount /boot
[11:46] <Fatal_eXception0> ah I see
[11:46] <neofutur> many distros dont mount it as a default
[11:46] <Fatal_eXception0> it doesn't refer to any kernel.img though
[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> copy the uncompressed kernel (Image) to kernel.img
[11:47] <Fatal_eXception0> oh the other thing is I'm not sure if dpkg actually installed a kernel image
[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Fatal_eXception0, kernel.img is automatically loaded when pi boots up.
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[11:47] <Fatal_eXception0> as for compiling and installing: I used make-kpkg because it's easy and self contained
[11:48] <Fatal_eXception0> then you install the package, and it has installed the modules
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[11:48] <Fatal_eXception0> but I'm not sure it modified the kernel image
[11:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Fatal_eXception0, just so you understand how it work... when the pi powers on, it loads the firmware stored on /boot as well as the kernel, then the kernel is launched with the parameters found in cmdline.txt
[11:48] <Fatal_eXception0> uname -a still shows 3.1.9+, not my 3.1.9jb1+ version
[11:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Did you copy Image to kernel.img?
[11:49] <Fatal_eXception0> I didn't, and I'm not sure dpkg did either
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> in your linux source dir it should be ./arch/arm/boot/Image
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> forget dpkg
[11:49] <Fatal_eXception0> the timestamp is 1am last night, which is before I started compiling... but still later than my install
[11:49] <Fatal_eXception0> come to think of it, rpi-update may have sintalled that kernel
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> that's what rpi-update is for
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> to update the kernel, modules and firmware.
[11:50] <Fatal_eXception0> so whats the difference between firmware and kernel here/
[11:50] <Fatal_eXception0> ?
[11:50] <ShiftPlusOne> firmware is what the gpu needs to work... all the closed blobs.
[11:50] <ShiftPlusOne> start.elf and so on.
[11:50] <Skrotus> I see
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[11:50] <Skrotus> was a bit confused about why it was being called firmware myself
[11:51] <Fatal_eXception0> ok
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[11:52] <Fatal_eXception0> so is there any way to have selectable kernels to boot like lilo/grub?
[11:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Yes, I have multiboot working, but it's not pretty.
[11:52] <Fatal_eXception0> hmm.
[11:53] <Fatal_eXception0> this is all in effort to get my wifi adapter working... I really hope it works.
[11:53] <Fatal_eXception0> it's a rtl8188su which is supposed to work, but hasn't for me
[11:53] <ShiftPlusOne> you'd have to hack up your own scripts using either kexec or switch_root. kexec doesn't work properly yet.... prevent the videocore from working.
[11:53] <Fatal_eXception0> in some cases it is apparently that the modules are old
[11:55] <Fatal_eXception0> so what would you recommend to install kernels - just do it all manually?
[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I like to do it manually because then I know exactly what my config is and when I last updated... rpi-update is good too if you don't want to compile your own.
[11:55] <Skrotus> just put it in /boot as kernel.img
[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> archlinux provides a good kernel and keep it up to date for you as well.
[11:57] <Fatal_eXception0> I have another SD card, i could put archlinux or fedora or raspbian on it
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> But yeah, it's entierly up to you... maybe try all methods and see what works for you.
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[11:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Fatal_eXception0, let me know if you're interested in multiboot. I'll be getting it into more user friendly form when I am done with exams (in a week). Or if you want to do it yourself, you just need to make an initrd image which either has the boot selector built in or launches one from the SD card.
[11:59] <Fatal_eXception0> ok I've backed up and copied in the new kernel.img, here goes...
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[12:00] <Fatal_eXception0> hope it works because I don't have a convenient sd card reader :P
[12:00] <Skrotus> sounds like a good idea to me ShiftPlusOne
[12:00] <Fatal_eXception0> yeah maybe at some point.
[12:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Skrotus, I like it... have archlinux working alongside OpenELEC, which is nice.
[12:00] <Fatal_eXception0> I guess having multiple bootable partitions would be even harder
[12:01] <Fatal_eXception0> also does reboot and halt work for you guys? it never starts again for me
[12:01] <Fatal_eXception0> i have to power cycle it
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[12:01] <ShiftPlusOne> seems to work fine... what do you run?
[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> just 'reboot' and 'halt'?
[12:02] <Fatal_eXception0> sudo reboot or sudo halt
[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that works here IIRC
[12:02] <Fatal_eXception0> weird
[12:02] <Fatal_eXception0> I hope i havent got a slightly dodgy one
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[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, I've seen other people having trouble as well
[12:04] <Fatal_eXception0> ok cool it booted the right kernel, however still no joy with the usb wifi :/
[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Did you install the modules?
[12:04] <Fatal_eXception0> theres a whole bunch of different modules to try but none bring up a wlan0
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[12:04] <ShiftPlusOne> run lsusb and find out which module you should be using
[12:05] <Fatal_eXception0> already done all that, it's a rtl8188su. there are some modules on the verfied list but their solution doesn't wor
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[12:05] <Fatal_eXception0> work
[12:06] <Fatal_eXception0> either the modules are incompatible with this kernel, or just doesn't create a wlan0
[12:06] <Fatal_eXception0> iwconfig shows only eth0 and lo
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> installed the firmware?
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> can you pastebin the output of dmesg?
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[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> (after plugging the dongle in)
[12:07] <Fatal_eXception0> ok
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> also, are you using a powered hub?
[12:08] <ShiftPlusOne> did you apt-get install firmware-realtek ?
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[12:09] <Fatal_eXception0> strange, unplugging and replugging doesn't do anything. I'll reboot without it connected.
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[12:10] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like you're not using a powered hub then
[12:10] <Fatal_eXception0> yeah I installed that, and powered hub yes
[12:10] <Fatal_eXception0> if I dont have that I get weird debug messages
[12:10] <Fatal_eXception0> and it won't finish booting, just loops on that
[12:11] <neofutur> the resolution of the console ca be set with the kernel boot prameter vga= ? or only via the hdmi* parameters ?
[12:11] <Fatal_eXception0> every time I boot it sets up keymap, twice, which slows down the boot by 2x
[12:11] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, check /proc/cmdline, you'll see framebuffer width and height being set... which is basically what the hdmi parameters in config do.
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[12:14] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, (what I am getting at is that you can put those in cmdline.txt) You can also use fbset once booted.
[12:15] <neofutur> ok
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[12:16] <Fatal_eXception0> grr my mac has this stupid thing where it won't connect to an IP for a while after it has become convinced the IP is not available
[12:16] <Fatal_eXception0> so I restarted the pi, and now it refuses to believe in it
[12:17] <Fatal_eXception0> so I have to start gdm to get to pastebin
[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Well I've got to go, but I am sure someone will help you out. Good luck.
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[12:18] <Fatal_eXception0> ok, thanks for your help :)
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[12:19] <markun_> I'm trying to play back some music over HDMI, but hear no sound. I followed http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound and with "./hello_audio.bin 1" it does work.
[12:20] <Beschwa> would my pi running raspbmc be crashing every time as i'm using a blackberry phone charger or is something faulty/buggy ?
[12:20] <markun_> any pointers where I should be looking for the problem?
[12:20] <Fatal_eXception0> beschwa: does your charger output at least 700mA?
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[12:21] <sraue> Beschwa, try with OpenELEC
[12:21] <Beschwa> 5v and 1000ma
[12:22] <Beschwa> normal debian inage doesnt have any problems but no xbmc for it
[12:22] <Skrotus> curious, does the pi actually need 700ma or is it just for attached usb devices and the pi itself can run on less?
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[12:26] <nidO> Skrotus: thats for the pi + the max that usb devices can draw
[12:26] <nidO> its basically ~400 for the pi itself then 3x 100 ish for the (usb) nic + 2 usb ports
[12:26] <Skrotus> cool
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[12:36] <chancellorsmith> what does this mean in dmesg smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: kevent 2 may have been dropped
[12:37] <Fatal_eXception0> I don't know but I don't think it's important
[12:38] <Fatal_eXception0> i've seen that a lot on linux
[12:38] <chancellorsmith> ok - ta
[12:38] <chancellorsmith> reboot has stopped it
[12:39] <shirro> chancellorsmith: what do you get from cat /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes
[12:40] <chancellorsmith> 1908
[12:40] <chancellorsmith> arch - in case it matters
[12:40] <shirro> You need to increase that or you will get problems with networking on the Pi.
[12:42] <shirro> I have vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288 in /etc/sysctl.conf - it is an annoying waste of memory but seems to avert network issues. You could try 8192 or something if you don't want to go that high
[12:43] <chancellorsmith> oh ok - thank you
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[12:45] <shirro> It might not be as important as it was. You used to be able to lock up a Pi very easy by thrashing the network and people would set that and smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N on their /boot/cmdline.txt to work around it. I don't know if both are still needed
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[12:57] <bbb^> anyone having problems getting there pi to poweron with the lastest firmware/kernel ? -- mines now will not cold boot with HDMI connected - was working OK before with revision 317494 / May 31st
[12:57] <reider59> *** Just a reminder.....A guy in the Raspberry Pi Forum has offered to run a tutorial on programming a Jet Pac Game using Python, check it out here; http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=3179
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[13:03] <Skrotus> that would be cool reider59, I'd take the tutorial
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[13:04] <reider59> true, I`m not into a lot of games but that one looks cool, its already working and we can find out how to do it from start to finish. It may then be useful for other projects.
[13:05] <Skrotus> for sure
[13:05] <reider59> far better than learning how to do something like "Hello world" lol
[13:05] <Skrotus> yeah I think I'm a bit past that
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[13:10] <raspbian> hmm
[13:10] <raspbian> 442?
[13:11] <raspbian> what's the record for this channel?
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[13:14] <neofutur> hum whatever i set in config.txt I end up with 644x452 framebuffer
[13:14] <neofutur> the overscan parameters are applied but not the hdmi_ ones
[13:14] <neofutur> i m using the rca adaptors
[13:14] <rasp7aa> are you forcing hdmi mode?
[13:15] <neofutur> nop when i tried hdmi_force_hotplug i had no display
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[13:15] <rasp7aa> try that in combination with hdmi group 0 or 1
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[13:16] <rasp7aa> what does the tvservice stuff say?
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[13:18] <neofutur> I dont have it on the gentoo image i m using
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[13:18] <neofutur> can this be downloaded somewhere ?
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[13:19] <rasp7aa> I dunno possibly. does gentoo have a package manager?
[13:20] <neofutur> yes but my pi is still offline, waiting for a wifi dongle i should receive soon ;(
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[13:20] <neofutur> uname -a
[13:20] <rasp7aa> no ethernet?
[13:20] <neofutur> oups
[13:21] <neofutur> I d need a 20 meters ethernet cable to connect the router ;(
[13:21] <rasp7aa> surely everone has that
[13:22] <neofutur> I ll try to set the bcm2708_fb.width and height on the commandline
[13:22] <Meatballs> plug it in next to the router
[13:22] <rasp7aa> you could always stick the pi next to the router and then ssh into it
[13:22] <Meatballs> and then you wont need a long cable :)
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[13:22] <neofutur> yup thats an idea
[13:23] <neofutur> yup i ll do that
[13:23] * gordonDrogon waves
[13:23] <rasp7aa> Im sshing into my pi right now, from my phone in a train station
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> good after, er, morning.
[13:24] <rasp7aa> hi gordon
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> I'm ON THE TRAIN!!!
[13:24] <shirro> gordonDrogon: what is on the menu today?
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> Today - relaxing.
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> Food: Done.
[13:24] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I fried my FTDI breakout board, so no more arduino fun and games until the replacement I ordered arrives
[13:24] <rasp7aa> my train isnt until 1
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> Going to upload some photos I took of the feast yeaterday, so I'll be a bit slow for a while..
[13:25] <rasp7aa> whats FTDI?
[13:25] <Gadgetoid> rasp7aa: just a USB/Serial chip, FT232RL
[13:25] <shirro> rasp7aa: they make serial/usb converters. in particular a 3.3v variety needed for pi
[13:25] <rasp7aa> how did you fry it?
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[13:26] <ReggieUK> morning
[13:26] <shirro> rasp7aa: batter and hot oil I guess
[13:26] <Gadgetoid> rasp7aa: that remains to be seen, I think using elaborate ways to try and use it without actually soldering the headers on might have done it
[13:26] <rasp7aa> reggieuk: with sky do you get iour internet through the dish or cable?
[13:26] <ReggieUK> ?
[13:27] <rasp7aa> your*
[13:27] <ReggieUK> adsl
[13:27] <bbb^> sky UK is ADSL ..
[13:27] <ReggieUK> through a landline
[13:27] <Gadgetoid> It still works as a USB->Breadboard power supply, so I could have done worse??? I bought a smaller, better, very definitely 3.3v one to replace it
[13:27] <rasp7aa> ah
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[13:27] <ReggieUK> Gadgetoid, what did you do?
[13:27] <rasp7aa> he did a danieldaniel
[13:27] <Gadgetoid> ReggieUK: I suspect levering it up 30 degrees from the breadboard on one header and jamming foam underneath it might have done it
[13:28] <ReggieUK> nah, no one is that stupid to have done a dd
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> 240 slices of bread (15 loaves) into dainty crust-less sandwitches (egg mayo, ham & mustars, cheese & chutney & cucumber), 8 large cakes (2 x chocolate, coffee & walnut, victoria sandwitch, lemon drizzle), 100 mini cup-cakes, 220 scones (1/3 cheese split with butter, the others plain & fruit, split with clotted cream and strawberry jam), and other stuff like tea, coffee, etc.
[13:28] <Gadgetoid> It probably just needs reflashing or something
[13:28] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, STOP WITH YOUR CAKEY GOODNESS!
[13:28] <Gadgetoid> They're not *that* delicate!
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, they're all gone...
[13:28] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: But??? what do you do with the crusts!?
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> all that was left were the cucumber and some of the big cakes..
[13:29] <ReggieUK> when you do the next round, chuck a couple of slices of toast under the grill
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> I have all the "enders" in the freezer - the crusts were (sadly) binned.
[13:29] <ReggieUK> I never really understood cucumber sandwiches
[13:29] <ReggieUK> it's a water sandwich basically
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> cucumber used to be a really expensive veg (victorian times) as it has to be grown in a greenhouse, so to offer your guests cucumber showed you have money/land/staff ...
[13:30] <Gadgetoid> Before frying my breakout board, though, I did get it working connected directly to the Pi??? not that it required any feat of awesomeness or anything
[13:30] <ReggieUK> ahh
[13:30] <ReggieUK> these days it shows you're too tight for salmon?
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> a lot of these 'traditions' go back to the victorians.
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[13:31] <Gadgetoid> On the bright side (aaah pun!) I did get all 14 of the LEDs for my binary clock running directly from 3 pins of the Pi with two shift registers, being programmed in Ruby with gordonDrogon's lovely wiringPi library
[13:31] <ReggieUK> well done
[13:31] <ReggieUK> so what actually broke?
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> salmons not "traditional" at an afternoon tea...
[13:31] <ReggieUK> pi or breakout?
[13:31] <Gadgetoid> ReggieUK: breakout, Pi lives
[13:31] <Gadgetoid> I broke this: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/ft232rl-breakout
[13:32] <Gadgetoid> It was crap, anyway, it eats about half a breadboard
[13:32] <ReggieUK> how did you break it?
[13:32] <Gadgetoid> I had to cram my ATMega right up to the edge of the breadboard and break pin13 back to the middle for the LED
[13:32] <ReggieUK> Gadgetoid, nonono
[13:32] <ReggieUK> ftdi bob != crap
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[13:33] <Gadgetoid> ReggieUK: that one *was* crap, which is why the never version is half the size :D
[13:33] <Gadgetoid> never??? newer!
[13:33] <ReggieUK> show me the newer version?
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[13:33] <Gadgetoid> http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/ftdi-basic-3.3v
[13:33] <ReggieUK> oh dear :D
[13:34] <Gadgetoid> Yeah it ditches half the headers for compactness, but I didn't need any of them
[13:34] <ReggieUK> that's the little cut down jobby with most of the pins missing
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[13:34] <ReggieUK> you should've said 'didn't need any of them right now'
[13:34] <Gadgetoid> Half the pins did silly stuff like break out status LEDs
[13:34] <ReggieUK> no
[13:34] <ReggieUK> 2 of the pins do status leds
[13:35] <ReggieUK> the rest of it is power and bitbanging pins
[13:35] <ReggieUK> so you can program atmega chips wihtout a bootloader
[13:35] <ReggieUK> or eeproms
[13:35] <ReggieUK> or bitbang jtag
[13:35] <Gadgetoid> I don't think I'll be rushing into that sort of stuff :D
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[13:36] <Gadgetoid> When I do, they're ??9??? whoop tee doo! pretty much a drop in the ocean compared to basically any other board-based anything I've come across thus far??? hobby electronics is expensive!
[13:37] <ReggieUK> it is and it isn't :)
[13:37] <ReggieUK> you can buy ftdi chips for ??3
[13:38] <Gadgetoid> True
[13:38] <ReggieUK> you can buy pl2303 boards for about ??3 :)
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[13:38] <ReggieUK> which will do everything that your basic breakout will
[13:39] <ReggieUK> I noticed you mentioned an atmega in all of this, what were you doing with teh atmega chip?
[13:40] <Gadgetoid> ReggieUK: it had an arduino bootloader on it, I'm using an arduino-onna-breadboard so I can run it at a Pi-friendly 3.3v whilst still overclocking to 16Mhz
[13:41] <ReggieUK> that's another reason I like the fdtdi chips
[13:41] <ReggieUK> cos you don't have to pay anyone to put a bootloader on an atmega328
[13:41] <Gadgetoid> Yeah??? I'll cross that bridge when I'm comfortable with the basics :D
[13:42] <ReggieUK> so is the breadboard atmega controlling your shift register?
[13:42] <ReggieUK> Gadgetoid, you seem pretty comfortable so far :)
[13:42] <Gadgetoid> Nah, at the moment the shift register is controller directly from the Pi
[13:42] <Gadgetoid> controlled*
[13:42] <Gadgetoid> There's a difference being comfortable cobbling stuff together, and knowing what on earth it all actually does
[13:43] <Gadgetoid> I think I accidentally a word
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[13:45] <neofutur> Meatballs: many thanks for the idea, now i ll be able to update my gentoo
[13:46] * neofutur was pretty sad with no vi
[13:46] <Meatballs> your welcome :)
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[13:47] <Meatballs> the alternative is to run ethernet cables under the floor to all rooms like I did :)
[13:47] <Meatballs> wallplates and everyting
[13:48] <Gadgetoid> The only thing that breaks my brain more than typesetting is font design, argh
[13:48] <ReggieUK> I can imagine
[13:48] <ReggieUK> my dad used to do font design
[13:49] <ReggieUK> for centronics
[13:49] <Gadgetoid> *shudder*
[13:49] <Gadgetoid> I'm just trying to do TWO characters!
[13:49] <ReggieUK> he had to do an arabic font
[13:49] <baneat> Hey, can anyone tell me if this will work in an rPi? http://remotedroid.net/
[13:50] <ReggieUK> I remember him cursing a lot when he came home from work whilst he was doing it
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[13:50] <ReggieUK> baneat, no reason it shouldn't work
[13:50] <baneat> I know it says compatible for linux but not sure if the input stuff's different
[13:50] <baneat> that'd be pretty cool then if it did
[13:51] <ReggieUK> depends which end needs the java
[13:51] <baneat> the file's basically a jar
[13:51] <baneat> should that work
[13:51] <ReggieUK> but is that jar file for the pc or the android thing?
[13:51] <baneat> The pc
[13:51] <baneat> the server app consists of a jar, a readme.txt and a batch file
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[13:51] <ReggieUK> hmmmn, not sure what java performance is like on the pi
[13:52] <baneat> presumably the batch file isn't needed because it says it works on linux
[13:52] <ReggieUK> but that will likely be the only stumbling block
[13:52] <baneat> It's not that intensive of an app, is it?
[13:52] <ReggieUK> no idea, I've never used it
[13:52] <ReggieUK> it probably isn't
[13:52] <ReggieUK> but who knows
[13:53] <ReggieUK> if the java performance is shockingly poor
[13:53] <baneat> What distro do you recommend for it?
[13:53] <baneat> just in general
[13:53] <baneat> cause right now I have a blank SD card
[13:53] <ReggieUK> foundations updated debian I guess
[13:54] <ReggieUK> install the image, update/upgrade, rpi-update
[13:54] <baneat> while I'm here then what's the linux equivalent of ipconfig/all in DOS?
[13:54] <ReggieUK> ifconfig
[13:54] <ReggieUK> and iwconfig for wifi
[13:54] <baneat> cause I need the IP to connect
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> http://moorbakes.co.uk/?p=98
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> just to make you feel more hungry :)
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[13:59] <ReggieUK> no fair, no toast :(
[14:00] * ReggieUK drinks more coffee
[14:00] <D-side> ugh
[14:00] <D-side> must not think about food
[14:00] <Flea86> gordonDrogon: What? no raspberry pie? ;-)
[14:00] <D-side> (hungover)
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[14:00] <baneat> btw: http://distilleryimage9.s3.amazonaws.com/09ba2c06a29311e1b9f1123138140926_7.jpg these things from mcdonalds happy meals are the same length and breadth as a pi unit. I made a case from one
[14:01] <baneat> SD card out the mouth and ethernet out the bum
[14:01] <shirro> gordonDrogon: amazingly english. familiar yet so different. cupcakes are popular everywhere but cucumber sandwiches and tea cups not so much
[14:01] <D-side> a cucumber sandwich
[14:01] <D-side> sounds great, even now.
[14:01] <ReggieUK> has there been a cupcake revolution or something?
[14:02] <ReggieUK> they seem to be very popular
[14:02] <D-side> yeah
[14:02] <bbb^> baneat: 'hostname -I' will give the ip address (and works as a normal user) - ipconfig needs root
[14:02] <ReggieUK> is it because they've stopped calling them fairy cakes?
[14:02] <D-side> there's two things that are currently huge in the US
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> raspberrys aren't in season - strawberries are only just in-season - we had hoped to go to a PYO, but ended up getting commercially grown ones - still englighs though
[14:02] <D-side> cupcakes and frozen yogurt
[14:02] <baneat> okey dokey
[14:02] <ReggieUK> not sure about that happy meal box
[14:02] <shirro> cupcakes are a good home business thing. lot of people get into it that way i think
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> bbb^, ifconfig can be run by an ordinary user - it's just that /sbin/ isn't normally in the the $PATH, so /sbin/ifconfig -a will work.
[14:03] <baneat> Well... mine's a rabbit
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> shirro, they're sort of on the decline over here - my wife started moorbakes 2-3 years back doing cupcakes for a local shop (just as a hobby, but it paid for a nice mixer!)
[14:03] <ReggieUK> I'm sure it works and all that but the thought of the pi sitting in a used food container for a while...
[14:03] <baneat> It's the toy
[14:04] <ReggieUK> everytime you turn the pi on, you're going to get the faint whiff of macDs :D
[14:04] <baneat> The toy is a little box you can grow cress in
[14:04] <baneat> made of plastic as well not cardboard
[14:04] <bbb^> gordonDrogon: ahh ok .. I am sure I'ved used a distro where that didn't work either :) guess I should of tried it
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[14:04] <ReggieUK> you could name your case design 'pi and chips'
[14:04] <baneat> or bun-bun
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> as soon as rasps. are in season I'm going to make & publish an easy to make Raspberry Pi recipie.... suitable even for non-cooks to make!
[14:04] <neofutur> Meatballs: if I ever build my own house I plan to o this (ethernet cables to all room )
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[14:05] <gordonDrogon> when I moved here I cat5'5 as much as I thought I'd need. Always do more - lots more!
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> now we have fitted carpets down, I can't lift them to run more... )-:
[14:05] <baneat> you can install ethernet ports in the walls
[14:06] <baneat> My high school had that along the desks
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> I recommend ducting.
[14:06] <ReggieUK> whats ethernet over power like these days?
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> ~80cm or so ducting under the floors, and behind the skirting.
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> not easy in a georgian town house made of dartmoor granite/stone...
[14:06] <baneat> I assume the walls aren't
[14:06] <ReggieUK> assume nothing
[14:06] <ReggieUK> expect the unexpected
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> most walls in my house are 2' thick stone.
[14:07] <baneat> How do you route lights?
[14:07] <Meatballs> routed lights?
[14:07] <baneat> yes, through stone
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> I didn't... but cables to the switches go vertical upwards (as is current practice), and the ceilings are under floor.
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> The ceilings are under-floor?
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> internal walls are stud/partition walls (lath and plaster)
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> Radical.
[14:08] <ReggieUK> hehehehe
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. ceiling lights... under the ... ceiling, floor of the room above.
[14:08] <baneat> Easily possible to include ethernet to go alongside the light switch cable routing
[14:08] <baneat> All I had to do was feed it down with a plumb
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> When I installed a new living room chandalier, I found some old gas light pipes and scortched lath & plaster - scary!
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[14:11] * neofutur dreaming of some kind of usb fast "hard disk" containing RAM
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[14:11] <gordonDrogon> not hard to make - hard to keep the data :)
[14:11] <Meatballs> I found as long as you've got 1 cable to each room you can run another switch in that room if you decide to make it your office
[14:11] <neofutur> ideal for swap
[14:12] <bbb^> I cheated in my place, they had used CAT5e to run telephone extensions .. I just disconnected the phone sockets and joined all the bits of CAT5e together :) so I've got a run from the main bedroom to the front room with a switch at each end.
[14:12] <neofutur> the only thing the pi is missing
[14:12] <reider59> I was lucky really when I did mine with Cat5 a few years back. The Dining room/kitchen is one good sized room. between it and the living room is a cupboard of about 6' long. So I drilled through into the bedroom above, behind a wardrobe and routed to all rooms up there. Downstairs was easy to put un wall plates in all rooms and connect through the cupboard. I could have done the patio permanently but instead just throw a ca
[14:12] <reider59> too
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[14:13] <rasp7aa> hhi
[14:13] <bbb^> afternoon
[14:14] <Meatballs> baneat, t's not ideal afaik to run next to electricity cables due to interference?
[14:14] <baneat> shielded cables will stop that completely
[14:14] <Meatballs> aye
[14:15] <chris_99> you know when you install a new kernel in debian, is it normally use automatically
[14:15] <chris_99> i mean via apt-get
[14:15] <shirro> neofutur: I have an arm board with usb otg. I set it up as a network device and ran nbd over it to test the idea of swap over usb. I might try it as a usb storage device next as I didn't think network was fast enough. It has 1G ram and a wd harddrive on a sata interface.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> it's also against best wiring parctices AIUI. I think they need to be in separate ducts.
[14:15] <Meatballs> I dont think I could squeeze another cable in with my electricity ducts, they are really thin plastic
[14:15] <bbb^> gordonDrogon: yep it is :)
[14:15] <reider59> I also put in a powered hub upstairs and had the router up there for the best site setting. However, I`m now semi invalid thanks to a failed spine op so I sleep downstairs. Unless I need it I turn off the upstairs hub and network.
[14:15] <Meatballs> hub!
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[14:16] <neofutur> shirro: you should sell it, could have customers
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[14:18] <reider59> Shame really, I have a good computer studio up there but you can`t have everything in this life
[14:18] <shirro> neofutur: it costs more than several Pi. I have raspbian on it as a faster Pi for compiling. I need to think how I can have them work closer together.
[14:19] <Skrotus> why not?
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> ok. todays job is to finish up my ATmega bootloader that will work directly off the Pi via serial to as 12MHz ATMega...
[14:20] <ReggieUK> you need a pin to tie to reset
[14:20] <ReggieUK> and a means to flip it
[14:20] <ReggieUK> or you're going to need a button on the atmega board
[14:20] <ReggieUK> and judicious timing
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[14:21] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. the power cut I had yesterday took out my workstation, but not the Pi's as they're on a UPS on their own :)
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi2: uptime
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> 13:18:38 up 2 days, 22:50, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[14:21] <Skrotus> I want a ups for my pi
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, yea, I've worked that one out :)
[14:21] <Skrotus> what are you using?
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> I have some older APC units. 3 in my office.
[14:21] <shirro> I need to move a ups. Got one out the back and all it has on it is a wireless router
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> I replaced their batteries last year.
[14:22] <ReggieUK> Just wondering how you'd go about it gordonDrogon
[14:22] <bbb^> could you not just use 4xAA batteries :)
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, Using a GPIO pin.
[14:22] <ReggieUK> of course :D
[14:22] <ReggieUK> but how to control it?
[14:22] <ReggieUK> add code into the pi serial driver for an rts pin?
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, I have a command-line program to toggle GPIOs...
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> the hard part will be integrating it into the Arduino IDE - command-like avrdude is trivial.
[14:23] <ReggieUK> yeah but that's not particularly practical to do it like that
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> if the arduino IDE uses avrdude (and I'm not sure it does) then I just replace the avrdude binary with a bit of code to toggle reset then call the real avrdude.
[14:24] <ReggieUK> sounds reasonable
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> so I'll get the direct avrdud mechanism going first - which for me is fine as that's all I use, but then work on integrating it into the arduini IDE.
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> I think it'll be fine to dedicate a GPIO pin for the ATmega during program development - you can re-assign it once you have your s/ware in the ATmega.
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> so adding an ATmega to a Pi via breadboad and single ceramic osc. with built-in capacitors will then be trivial.
[14:27] <ReggieUK> I think, personally, I'd like to see a pi serial driver with the gpio built in as rts
[14:27] <ReggieUK> with a compile time switch for the driver
[14:28] <ReggieUK> or a init switch
[14:28] <ReggieUK> so you could set rts active at boot
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> the BCM chip does support rts/cts, etc. using other gpio pins - there are 2 serial ports, one full-on, the other just bare-bones, but they never brought out the gpio pins for the full serial driver.
[14:29] <ReggieUK> so the code is in there
[14:29] <ReggieUK> it's just a question of shoehorning a gpio in it's place
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> well, the hardware is there - the standard serial driver is a near clone of the standard PC chips..
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> from what I've read in the ARM peripherals manual anyway.
[14:30] <ReggieUK> I seem to recall the number 16550 a lot looking through arm stuff for the uart
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> yes, that's the age-old serial chip - now implemented as a SoC add on to the north or south bridge no-doubt in modern PCs...
[14:31] <ReggieUK> sure but this in arm source code, so it seems it's adopted as a standard across the board
[14:31] <mjr> bbb^, the Pi may be a bit too finicky on the voltage. You can try. Wouldn't recommend trying with non-rechargables, though, and even rechargables might have too much voltage when full.
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> they probably copied code :)
[14:32] <Viperfang> 4xAA NiMH would br 4.8V, that should be ok
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> mjr, bbb^ lots of talk about Pi on batteries - all you need is a modern switching equivalent of the old 7805 regulator, then feed in anything from 5.5v to whatever...
[14:33] <Viperfang> 7805 typically has a 1.5v drop off, so you need 6.5v to run it
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> Viperfang, best to go for more and regulate it down.
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[14:33] <Viperfang> there are low drop off versions
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> Viperfang, and switching versions with >95% efficiency too.
[14:33] <Viperfang> gordonDrogon: agreed
[14:33] <Ben64> anyone here good at electronics
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> I have a friend who uses them in Spectrums - he reforbises them as a hobby - I'll find out what type he uses.
[14:34] <Ben64> I got a few of these... http://www.ti.com/product/tl2575-05
[14:34] <Ben64> I want to use that to make a AA power supply
[14:34] <Ben64> but the datasheet is confusing me
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> Ben64, yes, that's the type.
[14:36] <Ben64> ok, so i get a breadboard... but I need some external parts.. but which?
[14:36] <Viperfang> Ben64: the example circuits in the datasheet are pretty good
[14:37] <Viperfang> you can just build that
[14:37] <Ben64> I'm not seeing an example?
[14:37] <Viperfang> page 3?
[14:37] <mjr> gordonDrogon, yeah that's the way to do it properly, of course, though you do need more than 4*AA because of the dropoff
[14:37] <Ben64> oh....
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> Ben64, have you got those regulators already?
[14:38] <Ben64> yeah
[14:38] <ReggieUK> what's the drop on that regulator?
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> Hm. ok.
[14:38] <ReggieUK> and efficiency?
[14:38] <ReggieUK> 7805's are useful but......
[14:38] <Ben64> High Efficiency. . .as High as 88% (Typ)
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> You need to provide an external inductor for that regulator.
[14:38] <ReggieUK> and what's the dropout?
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> probably not the best type to use to start with.
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> lets see if I can find a good 3-pin type.
[14:39] <Ben64> external inductor? wha?
[14:39] <ReggieUK> probably better off getting something in this range of regulators:
[14:39] <ReggieUK> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/0453568/
[14:39] <ReggieUK> that's the 12v version
[14:40] <ReggieUK> but they do 3.3v and 5v fixed
[14:40] <Ben64> doesn't that turn extra voltage into heat
[14:40] <ReggieUK> it'll do 3 amps
[14:40] <mjr> (or you could go the mintyboost way and bump a lower voltage up)
[14:40] <Viperfang> Its also 12v output
[14:40] <Viperfang> :|
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[14:40] <ReggieUK> I just said that didn't I?
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> This: http://uk.farnell.com/murata-power-solutions/7805sr-c/ic-switching-regulator/dp/1703410
[14:40] <mjr> the official mintyboost seems to be limited to 500mA though
[14:40] <Ben64> mjr: at the cost of crappier performance from AAs
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> however that has a minimal input voltage of 7.5V.
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[14:41] <ReggieUK> [13:38] <+ReggieUK> that's the 12v version
[14:41] <ReggieUK> [13:38] <+ReggieUK> but they do 3.3v and 5v fixed
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[14:41] <gordonDrogon> So ideally, you need a 9V supply.
[14:41] <Viperfang> Aye, you did
[14:41] <ReggieUK> and
[14:41] <ReggieUK> it's got 350mv dropout
[14:41] <ReggieUK> so you can squeeze the batteries further
[14:41] <Ben64> so how hard would it be to recreate the circuit on page 3
[14:42] <mjr> gordonDrogon, also 500mA max...
[14:42] <mjr> at least as specced
[14:42] <ReggieUK> Ben64, it should be pretty simple
[14:42] <bbb^> hmm .. might go visit the pound shop and see if they any playing cards, so I can nick the box for a pi-case. Lived here over 3 years and never been in lol
[14:42] <Ben64> i see three capacitors, one triangle with a ~ on top, and two quad half-circles
[14:43] <Ben64> i never really got into electronics : /
[14:43] <ReggieUK> yyou need a 100uf and 330uf polarised capacitor
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> mjr, ah. never noticed that...
[14:43] <ReggieUK> a 330uh inductor
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[14:43] <Ben64> oh inductor is half-circles
[14:43] <ReggieUK> and a 1n5819 or equivalent diode
[14:44] <ReggieUK> everything is tied off to ground (caps/diode)
[14:45] <Ben64> ew, new version of firefox changed empty tabs to look like chrome
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> Ben64, you can turn it off by clicking the little checquered-box thing on the top-right of a new tab...
[14:46] <Ben64> yeah just found that a few secs ago
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[14:48] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/dc-dc-converters/6617588/
[14:49] <Viperfang> gordonDrogon: do they do a +ve voltage version?
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> but at the end of the day, 7805's are cheap and cheerfull if you don't mind a bit of wastage - as long as you can get a high enough voltage.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> doh. must read more carefully.
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[14:52] <ReggieUK> will the 7805s need heatsinks too?
[14:52] <Viperfang> depends how much current you are pulling and what voltage you are dropping from
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[14:53] <ReggieUK> yeah, I was thinking with AAs (for the guys that are seriously trying to run a pi from some)
[14:53] <Viperfang> ReggieUK: http://www.dimensionengineering.com/info/switching-regulators <-- explains 7805 poweer wastage, including some heat dissapation
[14:53] <Ben64> i've already run a pi from AAs, but it was mintyboost style
[14:53] <Ben64> makes the device pretty hot
[14:53] <ReggieUK> :)
[14:54] <ReggieUK> there's my point
[14:54] <ReggieUK> all that heat is wasted energy
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> Hm. struggling to find a part that has a 3-pin 7805 type package )-:
[14:54] <ReggieUK> nice as a handwarmer though
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[14:54] <Ben64> which is why i wanted to make it with these regulators
[14:54] <Ben64> and like... 8 AAs
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> I'll wait until my friend gets back to me - although it might be that the spectrum only needs 500mA or something daft...
[14:54] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon
[14:54] <ReggieUK> http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0adb/0900766b80adbbbe.pdf
[14:54] <Viperfang> gordonDrogon: ZX?
[14:54] <ReggieUK> there is a to-220 3 lead package
[14:55] <Ben64> if I'm calculating correctly, 8AAs will give me 6+hrs of Pi
[14:55] <ReggieUK> or a to-247
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[14:55] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, well that looks like the ticket.
[14:55] <Ben64> or a full charge on my phone :)
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> Viperfang, yes, ZX spectrum. He refurbishes them as a hobby.
[14:56] <ReggieUK> page 5 for the circuit diagram gordonDrogon
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> Viperfang, often the 7805's have blown as they run very hot without a heatsink.
[14:56] <Viperfang> gordonDrogon: my speccys run hot too :P
[14:56] <Ben64> all that wasted power :(
[14:57] <Viperfang> Sega mega drive runs on 7805s too
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> if you want to make your own... http://www.romanblack.com/smps/smps.htm
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[14:58] <ReggieUK> my usb hub runs off a 7805 :(
[14:59] <ReggieUK> so that isn't ever going to give me 500ma per port
[14:59] <dan___> hey, does anyone know a way i could get extremely fast oscillation (in the Khz) on the GPIO pins? python simply cant loop fast enough
[14:59] <ReggieUK> what do you need the oscilation for?
[14:59] <dan___> driving a speaker
[14:59] <ReggieUK> and isn't one of the gpio pins a pwm?
[15:00] <ReggieUK> and ummmm, doesn't the analog audio output do exactly what you're trying to do?
[15:00] <dan___> yeah but i dont actually a use for this
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> dan___, you can drive the pins to about 5MHz in software, however it will not be stable.
[15:01] <dan___> gordonDrogon, would this need to be in C or something? Python doesnt seem to be able to achieve anything near that
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> dan___, the biggest issue is that Linux will pre-empt your program and the output will be "gappy" or have lots of jitter in it.
[15:01] <ReggieUK> was I Right in thinking that one of the gpio is a pwm?
[15:01] <dan___> im not really sure what pwm is
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, yes, one of the 2 PWM outputs is abalable via GPIO.
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> dan___, it's a way of outputting a square wave on a pin.
[15:02] <ReggieUK> pulse width modulation
[15:02] <dan___> that would work
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> dan___, at a constant frequency but with a varying mark:space ration.
[15:02] <ReggieUK> is the pwm speed adjustable (like arduino)
[15:02] <dan___> oh if it cant adjust freqency then it's fairly useless
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> dan___, to get analogue sound via PWM you need to integrate the output (capacitor + resistor) then feed the input with a digital represenation of the sound wave.
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, the pwm frequency is fixed in the arduino unless you poke the registerd yourself.
[15:03] <dan___> i wasnt looking at anything nearly advanced as playing music. more just different frequencies maybe play some basic tunes
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, it's also fixed in the Pi - again, unless you poke the clock registers yourself.
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> My wiring Pi code copied Dom/Gerts code to set a fixed frequcnty and a 10-bit counter.
[15:04] <aaa801> Anyone know where i can get a decent sd card for my pi?, 16gb+ preferably
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> dan___, the big issue is keeping it constantly playing. You need to do that via interrutps inside a device driver.
[15:04] <ReggieUK> are those clock registers tied to anything else?
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, I don't think so - assuming you don't want to use the 3.5mm jack for audio output :)
[15:05] <dan___> at the moment i have a python script which just turns a pin on and off and i change the sleep() interval to change the frequency
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> I did get a note that someone found that when using my wiringPi code to play with the PWM output, it was also making weird noises out of the audio output!
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> dan___, at best I think you'll get 1mS resolution on that, so 1KHz.
[15:06] <dan___> yeah i think that is probably around what im getting
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> however Linux can "go away" for multiple mS - or more...
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[15:06] <gordonDrogon> The Pi really isn't the device to do that sort of stuff with.
[15:06] <dan___> i guess its more an arduino thing?
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> yes.
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[15:07] <dan___> i just like the ability to control it over SSH with instant results
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> you can do it in the pi, but it does really need cleve stuff at the device driver level.
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[15:07] <dan___> arduino is a bit of a faff
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[15:07] <gordonDrogon> well - the Gert board will be ready soon, so that'll effectively give you an arduino-like interface to the pi...
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> or like Gadgetoid and me, build your own ATmega chip system :)
[15:08] <Skrotus> hmmm I dunno what's causing this connection reset by peer thing, it's not affecting the pi
[15:08] <dan___> im not really good enough at this sort of stuff to be investing too much money in it =P my original plan for the Pi was a server but GPIO has interested me
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[15:10] <ReggieUK> is there any latency on the gpio code itself?
[15:10] <ReggieUK> barring linux wandering off
[15:11] <ReggieUK> it would be useful to have a 'real' rts on the pi
[15:11] <ReggieUK> but i can work with a gpio pin or 2
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> the 'latency' is just down to Linux.
[15:12] <ReggieUK> are you just interfacing the pi to an arduino via serial?
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> Linux can interrupt your program at any point to do something else...
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> Yes. the on-board serial now, but it was USB serial (and still is for stand-alone Arduinos, etc)
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> via USB it's no-different from any other Linux host platform.
[15:13] <ReggieUK> sure :)
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> right. fresh mug of tea, and I'm getting into the bootloader stuff now :)
[15:15] <ReggieUK> good luck
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[15:28] <shirro> aaa801: is that on the Pi?
[15:29] <aaa801> nope, on the pc with raw writ
[15:29] <aaa801> write*
[15:29] <aaa801> i keep on borking the file system up xD
[15:29] <Viperfang> lol?
[15:29] * aaa801 hasnt used linux in a very very long time
[15:29] <aaa801> ;)
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[15:34] <mythos> hmm... pulseaudio und resample-method speex-float-X is unuseable
[15:34] <mythos> *and
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[15:57] <rvalles> Using an usb HD for raspbian / now
[15:57] <rvalles> System feels so much faster now :)
[15:58] <rvalles> (SD access was the main bottleneck, now as far as I can tell it's software graphics)
[15:58] <Cheery> hmm..
[15:58] <Cheery> I might get my pi next week
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[16:01] <Fatal_eXception0> nice, I wondered if that would be faster
[16:01] <Fatal_eXception0> laptop hdd/
[16:02] <Fatal_eXception0> ?
[16:02] <Fatal_eXception0> someone suggested a USB stick would be faster than SD, but isn't it all really just flash memory?
[16:04] <mythos> not the flashmemory is the problem
[16:05] <mythos> at the moment the driver for the reader troubles
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[16:11] <Fatal_eXception0> the sd reader/
[16:11] <Fatal_eXception0> ?
[16:12] <mythos> is there another cardreader? ;)
[16:12] <bsutt> w 1
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[16:16] <Fatal_eXception0> you just said reader... could be anything
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[16:16] <Fatal_eXception0> anyway... anyone have experience setting up either atheros 9k or realtek wifi adapters? :)
[16:17] <Fatal_eXception0> I'm really not having luck with these things
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[16:19] <Fatal_eXception0> website says N150: Reported as WNA1100 device, uses the Atheros ar9271 chipset. On Debian, requires the firmware-atheros package from the squeeze-backports non-free repository (!)
[16:19] <D-side> i just set one up
[16:19] <Fatal_eXception0> I installed that package, but it said couldn't find htc_9271.fw
[16:19] <D-side> you dont want htc_9271.fw
[16:19] <Fatal_eXception0> so I symlinked it to ath9271.fw
[16:19] <D-side> it should be ar9271.fw
[16:19] <D-side> not ath
[16:19] <D-side> either
[16:20] <D-side> that package shouldh ave installed that
[16:20] <Fatal_eXception0> you're right, ar
[16:20] <D-side> rmmod ath9k_htc
[16:20] <D-side> modprobe that thing
[16:20] <D-side> it worked for me with no real screwing around like that
[16:20] <Fatal_eXception0> dammit I'm not having a good run
[16:21] <D-side> i recompiled darkelec, then threw that fw into it just prior to it writing out the system image.
[16:21] <Fatal_eXception0> the realtek screwed me around like this too
[16:21] <D-side> works great for me now
[16:21] <D-side> that's weird
[16:21] <Fatal_eXception0> what's darkelec/
[16:21] <Fatal_eXception0> ?
[16:21] <D-side> its a fork of openelec
[16:21] <D-side> which probably doesnt answer your question
[16:21] <Mike632T> Hi - Still trying to get Quake III to run (just because it is there). I've gone back to the standard squeeze image on the raspbery pi download site and loaded the .pk files game starts and shows the splash screen then halts just after displaying -
[16:21] <Mike632T> WARNING: NET_IP6Socket: socket: Address family not supported by protocol
[16:21] <Mike632T> WARNING: Couldn't bind to a v6 ip address.
[16:21] <Mike632T> Opening IP socket:
[16:21] <D-side> its basically a build for xbmc
[16:21] <Mike632T> any ideas anyone..?
[16:21] <D-side> Mike632T: probably unrelated
[16:22] <Fatal_eXception0> oh ok
[16:22] <D-side> q3 isnt goign to give a damn about v6
[16:22] <D-side> if this is running on a full featured os like raspbian or something, try strace
[16:22] <Fatal_eXception0> why am I rmmod'ing?
[16:22] <D-side> see if you can determine the fault
[16:22] <Fatal_eXception0> you talking to me or mike?
[16:22] <D-side> Fatal_eXception0: because the fw is dumped into the transceiver at the time of module load
[16:22] <D-side> and previously i was talking to him
[16:22] <Fatal_eXception0> k
[16:23] <D-side> use strace to see why q3 is crapping out
[16:23] <Mike632T> strace ./ioquake3.arm ..?
[16:23] <mikey_w> root
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[16:24] <Fatal_eXception0> whats openelec, is that like raspbian or arch or something else?
[16:24] <Fatal_eXception0> I thought debian would be good, but maybe not so much
[16:24] <D-side> Fatal_eXception0: its built for xbmc use
[16:25] <D-side> along the lines of raspbmc
[16:25] <D-side> bigger project though it seems. they have builds for other embedded device types
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[16:26] <Fatal_eXception0> debian has a history of avoiding new code, which seems to be causing problems here
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[16:26] <Fatal_eXception0> i'm not afraid to compile a kernel, but I don't like messing around with all these modules not working
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[16:27] <D-side> eh
[16:27] <Fatal_eXception0> so... raspbian?
[16:27] <D-side> actually now that i think about it
[16:27] <D-side> i first got this working on the official debian install they have linked off raspberrypi.org
[16:27] <D-side> if thats what you're using...
[16:27] <D-side> i think you're doing something wrong
[16:27] <D-side> what does that dongle look like
[16:27] <Fatal_eXception0> yeah, but now it's been all messed with by rpi-update, various installers etc
[16:27] <D-side> is it super tiny or is it long like an old flash mem stick
[16:27] <Fatal_eXception0> the latter
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[16:28] <Mike632T> quake3 seems to be stuck in a loop
[16:28] <Mike632T> gettimeofday({1339338364, 572704}, NULL) = 0
[16:28] <Mike632T> recvfrom(16, 0x5b99d8, 16384, 0, 0xbebdd5ec, 0xbebdd66c) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:28] <D-side> Fatal_eXception0: well thats good at least, thats the right hardware
[16:28] <D-side> Fatal_eXception0: dmesg | grep ath9k
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[16:30] <Fatal_eXception0> usb 1-1.2.4: new high speed USB device number 12 using dwc_otg
[16:30] <Fatal_eXception0> usb 1-1.2.4: New USB device found, idVendor=0846, idProduct=9030
[16:30] <Fatal_eXception0> usb 1-1.2.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=16, Product=32, SerialNumber=48
[16:30] <Fatal_eXception0> usb 1-1.2.4: Product: WNA1100
[16:30] <Fatal_eXception0> usb 1-1.2.4: Manufacturer: NETGEAR WNA
[16:30] <Fatal_eXception0> usb 1-1.2.4: SerialNumber: 12345
[16:30] <Fatal_eXception0> usb 1-1.2.4: ath9k_htc: Firmware - htc_9271.fw not found
[16:30] <Fatal_eXception0> ath9k_htc: probe of 1-1.2.4:1.0 failed with error -22
[16:30] <Fatal_eXception0> usbcore: registered new interface driver ath9k_htc
[16:30] <Fatal_eXception0> sorry for spam
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[16:31] <D-side> wow what the hell
[16:31] <Fatal_eXception0> so, then I symlinked the firmware it wanted with the ar one
[16:31] <Fatal_eXception0> and then I get a different error
[16:31] <D-side> that's weird though
[16:31] <Fatal_eXception0> maybe the debian mirror im using is behind
[16:31] <D-side> i'm outside smoking ribs for lunch, but when i go back in i'll have a look at my config
[16:32] <D-side> you did get the one from backports and not the more recent version from the regular squeeze repo right?
[16:32] <Fatal_eXception0> i haven't got the backports set up
[16:32] <D-side> uh
[16:32] <Fatal_eXception0> wouldn't have thought that was a good idea
[16:32] <D-side> where did you get the firmware from?
[16:33] <D-side> i just grabbed the file via http
[16:33] <Fatal_eXception0> sudo apt-get install firmware-atheros
[16:33] <D-side> no :(
[16:33] <D-side> this is where you fail
[16:33] <D-side> hold.
[16:33] <Fatal_eXception0> well, i also got one from elsewhere
[16:33] <Fatal_eXception0> that failed too
[16:33] <Fatal_eXception0> because it didn't give me the firmware name that the driver apparently wanted
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[16:33] <Fatal_eXception0> sorry that was out of order, didn't make sense
[16:34] <Fatal_eXception0> http://linuxwireless.org/download/htc_fw/1.3/
[16:34] <D-side> huh im' wrong anyway, there IS an htc_9271.fw required here
[16:34] <D-side> my bad for the misinfo
[16:34] <D-side> hold
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[16:34] <D-side> wget this
[16:34] <D-side> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-backports/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-atheros_0.35~bpo60+1_all.deb
[16:35] <Fatal_eXception0> ok so there's not an apt backports source I should use?
[16:35] <Fatal_eXception0> ta
[16:35] <D-side> i guess you could but i def opted not to
[16:35] <D-side> that should sort you out
[16:36] <Fatal_eXception0> thanks
[16:36] <Fatal_eXception0> it's inconsistent with other instructions ive read but whatever :P
[16:37] <D-side> well
[16:37] <D-side> only the method of retreiving that file
[16:37] <D-side> otherwise its entirely in line
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[16:38] <D-side> Fatal_eXception0: lemme know if that works
[16:38] <D-side> if it doesnt i give up
[16:38] <D-side> lol
[16:39] <Fatal_eXception0> will do, thanks
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[16:45] <Fatal_eXception0> great sadness
[16:45] <Fatal_eXception0> same failure message
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[16:48] <bbb^> hmm got a 1 pound pack of cards - the plastic case fits the pi perfectly :) shame the RCA connector sticks out so far :P going to make cutting holes intresting.
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[16:50] * bbb^ looks the pi and wonders 'hacksaw'
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[16:57] <Iota> Hey guys.
[16:57] <Iota> Just a quick question, when installing xorg for Arch, what's the best video driver to user? Vesa?
[16:58] <Gadgetoid> bbb^: just break the RCA connector off??? what is it, 1980 or something?
[16:58] <bbb^> Gadgetoid: I rather de-solder it to be honest just in case I damage the board :P
[16:59] <bbb^> anyway of to go make things fit :)
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[17:00] <Iota> xf86-video-fbdev and xf86-video-vesa I believe.
[17:03] <cyruss> has anyone else had difficulty getting audio working over HDMI?
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[17:06] <cyruss> even after hdmi_drive=2 in config
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[17:08] <dirty_d> bootc, I'm assuming `echo "blah 0x68" > new_device` adds a new slave devices at address 0x68. what do you actuall read/write to in order to communicate with the device?
[17:12] <aaa801> Updated the ubuntu build instructions to get rid of the symbolic link http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation#compiling
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[17:20] <bootc> dirty_d: depends on the device's driver
[17:20] <fordy> Hey peeps. Quick q
[17:20] <bootc> for example, a hwmon device (tmp102 or other temp sensor) you'd use lm-sensors
[17:20] <bootc> an RTC would be accessed with hwclock
[17:20] <bootc> etc...
[17:20] <dirty_d> bootc, oh this would be for something that doesnt have a driver already
[17:20] <fordy> Is anyone running raspbmc?
[17:20] <dirty_d> i just need raw reads and writes
[17:21] <bootc> dirty_d: then just use /dev/i2c-X and the userspace API
[17:21] <ReggieUK> aaa801, what happens if you've got another version of arm gcc on your system?
[17:21] <bootc> no need for the echo foo > new_device magic
[17:21] <dirty_d> bootc, ahh, ok cool
[17:21] <aaa801> reggieUK: i believe it uses the autoconf so itl be selectable or the highest version avilable
[17:21] <aaa801> but since only 4.6 is avilable for ubuntu at this time..
[17:22] <ReggieUK> on one of my dev boxes, I've got older specific gcc versions for arm, one of those is arm-linux-gnueabi :)
[17:22] <aaa801> Then just use select-alternative
[17:22] <aaa801> or whatever the command is :/
[17:23] <ReggieUK> I'm fine at the moment, it's installed on a clean machine
[17:23] <aaa801> update-alternatives
[17:23] <aaa801> aha k
[17:23] <ReggieUK> but just thought it worth mentioning
[17:23] <romaxa_> where I can find some latest image which includes latest firmware et.c.?
[17:23] <aaa801> But the majority of people are not going to have multiple arm gcc versions
[17:24] <ReggieUK> I've seen a few things on the wiki where most stuff is fairly obvious if you know what you're doing
[17:24] <aaa801> Ye but making a symlink instead of installing the package.. eww
[17:24] <ReggieUK> but if you don't, there is zero explanation to help
[17:24] <ReggieUK> oh of course
[17:24] <ReggieUK> well, it is installed, just under a cruddy name :D
[17:24] <aaa801> lol
[17:25] <ReggieUK> that isn't CROSS_COMPILE= friendly
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[17:26] <dirty_d> i have a neat idea
[17:27] <dirty_d> i cna make a sort of performance monitor for a car
[17:28] <dirty_d> the rpi will read accelerometer data and display torque acceleration and horsepower
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[17:28] <dirty_d> and maybe fuel injector pulses for MPG
[17:29] <jumpkick> bootc: I installed your 3.1.19+ kernel, testing out the usb bus stability (plugged in 2x Temperhum), so far seems a bit better??? Any chance you could include gspca_zc3xx in your next build?
[17:29] <jumpkick> rather 3.2.19
[17:31] <bootc> jumpkick: my kernel has no special USB patches...
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[17:32] <jumpkick> bootc: does it have general performance patches?
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[17:34] <Fatal_eXception0> there's a new kernel//
[17:35] <Fatal_eXception0> ??
[17:35] <dirty_d> jumpkick, im using his kernel, and i have those drivers
[17:35] <dirty_d> driver*
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[17:36] <Fatal_eXception0> what distribution is that part of?
[17:36] <dirty_d> jumpkick, i dont know if you got this msg before i got disconnected, but im using bootc's kernel and that driver is included
[17:37] <bootc> nope, it's literally just the official patches + SPI + I2C on top of 3.2.19 instead of 3.1.9
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[17:37] <bootc> dirty_d: # CONFIG_USB_GSPCA_ZC3XX is not set
[17:37] <Fatal_eXception0> is 3.2.19 different from the rpi github linux?
[17:37] <bootc> Fatal_eXception0: yes, theirs is 3.1.9 and that has nasty security holes
[17:38] <Fatal_eXception0> i grabbed that one, added i2c and spi and checked a few things and compiled it, saw no difference in my wifi problems
[17:38] <Fatal_eXception0> i'm not really concerned about security atm, but stability/reliability
[17:38] <dirty_d> bootc, i have CONFIG_USB_GSPCA_ZC3XX=m
[17:38] <bootc> hmm maybe I'm looking in a different place then
[17:39] <Fatal_eXception0> so you based it on the base linux 3.2.19 i guess
[17:39] <blkhawk> anaged to compile and run http://info-beamer.org/ on the raspberry
[17:39] <bootc> I have so many kernel trees littered around different machines I get confused
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[17:39] <blkhawk> sadly the only thing that seems to work are fonts and background fills
[17:40] <blkhawk> anything more complex gives errors
[17:40] <bootc> dirty_d: no, that particular module isn't built in my config, I have just double-checked
[17:40] <blkhawk> it uses x and opengl
[17:40] <jumpkick> dirty_d: I got your message, that's weird??? when I dpkg -i 3.2.19 I don't see it
[17:40] <bootc> jumpkick: I'll add it in
[17:40] <jumpkick> ls: cannot access /lib/modules/3.2.19-rpi1+/kernel/drivers/media/video/gspca/gspca_zc3xx.ko: No such file or directory
[17:40] <jumpkick> bootc: thanks
[17:40] <dirty_d> bootc, oh i didnt use your comfig, i extracted archlinux's config used that with oldconfig
[17:41] <jumpkick> I'm keen to see if I can get my crappy old webcam to function without dying...
[17:41] <jumpkick> there's a bug on git that said usb packets were being lost
[17:41] <dirty_d> jumpkick, oh its because i compiled the kernel from source and configured it to include that driver
[17:41] <jumpkick> dirty_d: lol??? well that's why
[17:41] <jumpkick> are you guys cross compiling? or building natively?
[17:41] <dirty_d> jumpercable, i can send you my .config if you wanna try
[17:42] <dirty_d> jumpkick, i cross compiled
[17:42] <jumpkick> is there a good reference doc for setting up a tool chain for that?
[17:43] <dirty_d> jumpkick, you need something like arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc
[17:43] <dirty_d> yea
[17:43] <bootc> jumpkick: I cross compile - http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
[17:44] <jumpkick> bootc: thanks! I'll check that out
[17:44] <dirty_d> jumpkick, what distro are you using?
[17:44] <dirty_d> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation#Raspberry_PI_kernel_compilation
[17:44] <jumpkick> dirty_d: debian
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[17:45] <blkhawk> bootc: i tried the 3.2.18 kernel - i seem to have only sd cards that drop to 1.5mb/sec with errors about not being able to read the status register of the card
[17:45] <bootc> blkhawk: the 3.2.19 one should be much better, I reverted a patch that was causing lots of people trouble
[17:45] <blkhawk> bootc: I assume its up?
[17:46] <bootc> I haven't posted about it, but it's at http://www.bootc.net/raspberrypi/
[17:47] * blkhawk grabs it
[17:47] <bootc> I'll write a post about it later tonight, and post a slightly updated version with gspca_zc3xx among other modules included
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[17:47] <bootc> the source is already on GitHub too
[17:48] <Fatal_eXception0> apart from cross compiling, have you guys done distributed cc?
[17:48] * jumpkick cheers! :)
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[17:48] <blkhawk> bootc: whats changed with it?
[17:48] <bootc> blkhawk: just a few extra modules added in
[17:48] <bootc> or do you mean 3.2.18 => 3.2.19?
[17:48] <blkhawk> no
[17:49] <blkhawk> thats the gfx driver yes?
[17:49] <bootc> ?
[17:49] <blkhawk> i managed to compile info-beamer
[17:49] <bootc> the new one I'll post later has some extra webcam modules added to the config, that's all
[17:49] <bootc> unless I get more requests
[17:49] <blkhawk> and i am very interested in any gfx improvements now ;)
[17:49] <Fatal_eXception0> bootc, when I dpkg -i that, does it update kernel.img?
[17:49] <blkhawk> ah shucks
[17:50] <bootc> Fatal_eXception0: no, you'll need to copy over /boot/vmlinux-3.2.19-rpi1+ to kernel.img
[17:50] <bootc> anyway, I must dash now, later all
[17:50] <Fatal_eXception0> ah ok ta
[17:50] <Fatal_eXception0> cya
[17:50] <bootc> or vmlinuz or whatever it's called
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[17:50] <Fatal_eXception0> yah
[17:50] <blkhawk> kernel.img is right
[17:51] <Fatal_eXception0> also I shouldn't rpi-update with that image then?
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[17:52] <blkhawk> Fatal_eXception0: rpi-update wouldoverwrite it in part
[17:52] <Fatal_eXception0> being that it's for the 3.1.9 that would be bad right?
[17:52] <blkhawk> not really
[17:53] <blkhawk> you would just go back to 3.1.9
[17:53] <SebastianFlyte> Is there any place I can order a Raspberry Pi today?
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> ebay
[17:54] <Fatal_eXception0> oh.
[17:54] <jumpkick> I thought running rpi-update updated the firmware (start.elf and *.elf) as well as the kernel
[17:54] <blkhawk> SebastianFlyte: order? maybe? getting it anytime soon? good luck with that
[17:54] <Fatal_eXception0> rs or element14, but you might have to wait a bit
[17:54] <Fatal_eXception0> sebastian
[17:54] <SebastianFlyte> Every time I check, they're out of stock.
[17:54] <blkhawk> i suggest RS
[17:54] <jumpkick> I'd think you'd want the new elfs
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[17:54] <blkhawk> farnell/e14 sends stuff out with royal mail
[17:54] <Fatal_eXception0> gotta love elfs
[17:55] <blkhawk> 12days and counting for me so far
[17:55] <SebastianFlyte> On the other hand, my local Radio Shack has tons of Arduinos
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[17:55] <Fatal_eXception0> in the UK maybe :)
[17:55] <Fatal_eXception0> bahahah
[17:55] <Fatal_eXception0> arduino
[17:55] <|MB|> is there a way to have fullscreen in debian?
[17:55] <blkhawk> you need a lot of arduinos to make one raspberry
[17:56] <Fatal_eXception0> i want to be the first person to accidentally fry a rpi
[17:56] <Fatal_eXception0> so I can say I blew a raspberry
[17:56] <dirty_d> :0
[17:57] <Fatal_eXception0> :P
[17:57] <Fatal_eXception0> so I'm running bootc's kernel
[17:57] <Fatal_eXception0> my wifi adapters still dont work
[17:57] <Fatal_eXception0> I am really running out of patience
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[17:57] <dirty_d> i just use ethernet
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[17:58] <Fatal_eXception0> i can for now, but I want to go wireless
[17:58] <zgreg> hm, apparently it really is the high-speed mode that is problematic with some cards
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[17:58] <zgreg> but, even without high speed transfers, you can get about 10 MB/s throughput
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[17:59] <zgreg> I just added an option to the driver. high speed transfers are disabled by default, and can be enabled by specifying sdhci-bcm2708.allow_highspeed=1 on the kernel command line
[18:00] <mythos> if autodetection does not work reliable, that's the way to go =)
[18:00] <blkhawk> i am of the opinion that there is something wrong with the driver
[18:01] <blkhawk> because the cards that have trouble work relyably in sd card readers
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[18:03] <zgreg> mythos: well, the cards advertise that they are capable of high speed
[18:03] <zgreg> blkhawk: yeah, probably, but I haven't been able to get to the root of this yet
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[18:07] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=5057&p=96480#p96480
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[18:08] <zgreg> if you had problems with the older kernels, try this
[18:08] <blkhawk> i will
[18:08] <blkhawk> mc
[18:08] <blkhawk> whoops
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[18:10] <Helldesk> has anybody else reading this had problems with being unable to (re)boot without a long power down time in between?
[18:10] <hotwings> raspbmc or openelec? which one is preferred for rpi?
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[18:11] * gordonDrogon waves.
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> 5V 1A switching regulators: This is what my friend uses who refurbs. spectrums: http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/sr10s05/switching-regulator-5v-1a-o-p/dp/1861095?Ntt=sr10s05
[18:12] <blkhawk> i see some additional aoutput from the mmc
[18:12] <blkhawk> nice
[18:12] <blkhawk> 20mb/sec
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> or this: http://www.rapidonline.com/Electrical-Power/1A-Single-output-step-down-DC-to-DC-converters-R-78xx-1-0-series-78072
[18:13] <blkhawk> uname -r
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[18:14] <blkhawk> zgreg: i had a good result
[18:14] <blkhawk> however the kernel disagrees witth my kernel modules
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[18:16] <zgreg> yes, I think that happened because I added the module parameter
[18:17] <zgreg> blkhawk: did you have problems with the older kernel image I made, but the new one works with high-speed mode?
[18:17] <zgreg> or did you also do that emmc "overclocking"?
[18:17] <blkhawk> i have yet to try to overclock - i only set it to 100mhz
[18:17] <blkhawk> no mmc errors
[18:18] <blkhawk> but i have some version mismatch on the kernel modules
[18:18] <zgreg> no, you need to set it to 50 MHz :)
[18:18] <zgreg> as written in the post!
[18:18] <blkhawk> ah
[18:18] <blkhawk> well
[18:18] <blkhawk> it works well at 100
[18:18] <blkhawk> 20mhz
[18:18] <blkhawk> erm
[18:18] <blkhawk> mb/sec
[18:18] <blkhawk> lets try 200
[18:19] <zgreg> well, you're running at high speed clocks, but without high-speed bus timings :)
[18:19] <zgreg> that will not work
[18:19] <blkhawk> yes i think so too
[18:19] <blkhawk> doesn't urt to try
[18:19] <zgreg> so you're not really overclocking, but driving the SD card in an illegal mode
[18:19] <cehteh> lala :)
[18:20] <zgreg> but if you push eMMC to 200 MHz, that'll be plenty overclocking :)
[18:20] <blkhawk> sdhci-bcm2708.allow_highspeed=1 i add this to the cmdline?
[18:20] <cehteh> zgreg: good work, are your patches in some git repo somewhere?
[18:20] <zgreg> cehteh: https://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux/commits/sdhci-perf
[18:20] <cehteh> thanks
[18:21] <blkhawk> set it to 50mhz and added the kernel option
[18:21] <blkhawk> EEEEP
[18:21] <zgreg> you also did have problems with the old kernel, right?
[18:21] <blkhawk> it can't get a hold of the card even in 1bit mode then
[18:21] <blkhawk> yes
[18:21] <zgreg> so, just as I guessed...
[18:22] <zgreg> switching to high speed bus timings is problematic with some cards for whatever reason
[18:22] <Fatal_eXception0> so I just put the archlinux image on an SD card and booted, and don't see anything on the hdmi screen :/
[18:22] <blkhawk> there is probably a reason
[18:22] <zgreg> well, I guess clocking the eMMC to 100 MHz (and *not* enabling allow_highspeed) might be an acceptable hack to workaround
[18:23] <blkhawk> maybe you need to set the card up for the other timing
[18:23] <Fatal_eXception0> the ok light flashes and then lan comes up, but nothing on screen, any ideas?
[18:23] <zgreg> blkhawk: yes, of course. but the SDHCI kernel subsystem does it for me
[18:23] <blkhawk> Fatal_eXception0: use a better psu
[18:23] <Fatal_eXception0> nope, 1A usb, works with debian
[18:24] <blkhawk> zgreg: I thing there might be something wrong in the broadcom glue then
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[18:24] <zgreg> that's a possibility
[18:24] <Fatal_eXception0> debian has been working, now i'm trying archlinux
[18:24] <zgreg> it's not really a full SDHCI implementation
[18:24] <blkhawk> i saw some bit switches in the datasheet for my sdcard
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[18:25] <zgreg> SDHCI is a semi-standard for SD host controllers
[18:25] <zgreg> many implement it (and so does the BCM2835), but everyone does it differently
[18:25] <cehteh> sd-card interfaces are a mess
[18:26] <zgreg> well, it's pretty stupid IMHO - SDHCI is only a "guideline" to implement an SD interface
[18:26] <zgreg> it's not a strictly defined interface standard
[18:27] <zgreg> and that's why it is not possible to have a single SDHCI driver
[18:27] <blkhawk> seems like 80mkz plus your kernel is stable
[18:27] <blkhawk> trying 90 now
[18:27] <zgreg> 100 MHz should be stable, too
[18:27] <blkhawk> i had some messages on 100
[18:27] <zgreg> unless you enable allow_highspeed
[18:28] <zgreg> or your card doesn't like being driven in such high frequencies without high speed timings (that's more likely :))
[18:28] <blkhawk> thats actually what the messages say
[18:30] <zgreg> what exactly do you get?
[18:31] <blkhawk> 2 timing errors
[18:31] <blkhawk> i have since rebooted
[18:31] <blkhawk> also overclocking only works on certain frequencies
[18:31] <blkhawk> 90 and 95 won't boot
[18:31] <blkhawk> 100 does
[18:33] <dirty_d> anyone know how youre supposed to control the hdmi sound volume?
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[18:35] <blkhawk> zgreg: 75 doesn't work
[18:35] <blkhawk> neither does 150 or 200
[18:35] * mjr is guessing it'd be entirely too handy for the sd driver to try banging it full tilt and re-initalizing at a lower clock if there are problems, yes? :]
[18:36] <blkhawk> mjr: yes that would be to easy
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[18:38] <zgreg> mjr: there's no infrastructure in the kernel to do that (yes, totally WTF, but that's how it is...)
[18:38] <zgreg> this would require major changes in the SDHCI/MMC subsystem
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[18:39] <cehteh> eek .. zgreg merged with 3.2.19 gives a lot conflicts .. seems to be some work now :)
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[18:43] <D-side> why do i know that nick
[18:44] <D-side> ah, mythtv
[18:45] <zgreg> cehteh: IIRC most of these cherry-picked fixes are in 3.2 anyway
[18:45] <cehteh> i go over it, your tree has a lot differences unrelated to SD cards in 3.2
[18:45] <ReggieUK> zgreg, why is get_max_clock set to 50Mhz and not 100Mhz?
[18:46] <ReggieUK> are you essentially trying to force 50Mhz?
[18:47] <mythos> https://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux/commits/sdhci-perf <-- i think, that's the perfect hub for the raspi. can power devices up to 1250 mA. that solves the usb and the power supply problem at once =D
[18:47] * mythos clicks buy
[18:47] <ReggieUK> github selling usb hubs now then?
[18:47] <mythos> *sigh... i mean http://www.drbott.net/product/3121-T7UH/
[18:47] <ReggieUK> :)
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[18:48] <mythos> ;)
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[18:48] <ReggieUK> they're out of stock
[18:49] <mythos> hmm... not in my country
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[19:02] <hotwings> well, im getting my first taste of raspberry pi SLOWNESS running that raspbmc installer
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[19:14] <zgreg> ReggieUK: because we can only support up to sd high speed mode, and that has a maximum clock of 50 MHz
[19:14] <zgreg> it's not forcing 50 MHz clock at all
[19:15] <Bellagio> anyone has tried to connect a dsi screen on the rpi?
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[19:25] <mythos> my raspberry pi is a decent soundserver now =) ... i only have to wait for the usb-hub, so i can replace my 20W router with it... really neat
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[19:30] <sraue> hotwings, try OpenELEC it installs faster (if you have a linux system)
[19:30] <Simon-> the maximum clock is still 100MHz as it requires a division by 2 at a minimum
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[19:45] <chaoshax> mythos, What software do you use?
[19:45] <chaoshax> For the server and client
[19:45] <mythos> chaoshax, you mean the soundserver? pulseaudio
[19:46] <chaoshax> Ahh k but how about client?
[19:46] <mythos> pulseaudio? ^^"
[19:46] <mythos> export PULSE_SERVER=ip player
[19:46] <chaoshax> I see.
[19:47] <mythos> the tunnel-device is not useable at the moment
[19:47] <mythos> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44806
[19:48] <mythos> oh, and if you want to use pulseaudio on the pi, you have to change the resample-method
[19:48] <mythos> ffmpeg does fine here
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[19:52] <chaoshax> I think I am going to try and get squeezbox working then
[19:52] <mythos> chaoshax, the onboard-analog-audioout ist not useable either (what i consider as useable), so i suggest an usb-audio device
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[19:55] <markus> http://s3.pji.nu/product/standard/800/950829.jpg or http://s3.pji.nu/product/right/800/950829.jpg
[19:55] <markus> Nokia MD-50W Play 360??
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[20:01] <markus> i think white
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[20:03] <hotwings> sraue - yeah i want to try openelec as well. just got done checking out raspbmc and ill say this.. xbmc definitely has some issues to work out before its ready for prime time on rpi
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[20:03] <Decepshun> I would rather have Plex on the rpi
[20:03] <Decepshun> waiting for someone to make a working release
[20:04] <bbb^> poundshop pi case done :)
[20:04] <sraue> no one has said XBMC is stable for RPi, its still not merged to master, this means its even not alpha or something
[20:05] <hotwings> xbmx rpi is rc2 already
[20:05] <hotwings> *xbmc
[20:05] <sraue> thats not true
[20:05] <mythos> it is quite funny: i can here if something access a file on the sd-card
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[20:06] <Decepshun> sraue? Raspmb has released RC2...I am using it
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[20:06] <mythos> *hear
[20:07] <sraue> if *Raspbmc* releases a RC2 this dont means XBMC is RC2, he does not any XBMC development
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[20:08] <Decepshun> ok...you are being a tad to literal...I am sure hotwings meant raspbmc
[20:08] <hotwings> [11:01:50] <hotwings> sraue - yeah i want to try openelec as well. just got done checking out raspbmc and ill say this.. xbmc definitely has some issues to work out before its ready for prime time on rpi
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[20:08] <hotwings> not sure whats so confusing about that
[20:09] <sraue> <sraue> no one has said XBMC is stable for RPi, its still not merged to master, this means its even not alpha or something
[20:09] <hotwings> its all true and straight forward
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[20:09] <hotwings> alpha is not merged to master
[20:09] <hotwings> neither is beta
[20:10] <Decepshun> the heck....raspbmc website is down :(
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[20:11] <Foxhoundz> wtf
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[20:26] <hotwings> btw, this 8GB class 6 works fine with rpi. $8 + free shipping: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208293
[20:28] <Foxhoundz> hotwings: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=class+10+sdhc&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1366&bih=653&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=18243298798918434054&sa=X&ei=w-bUT6WqMMji2QW22PilDw&ved=0CKMBEPMCMAA
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[20:30] <Decepshun> wow...I am totally confused now...had the rpi working fine last night. had it up overnight, go to use it now and it won't do anything. It wouldn't even reboot
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[20:36] <Decepshun> wow...just getting -110 errors out of the yin-yang now upon reboot
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[20:36] <Decepshun> never had this problem with this sdcard
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[20:41] <Helldesk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--RcZum8D2c
[20:41] <Helldesk> nnniiiice
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[20:53] <dirty_d2> i made some changes to omxplayer to enable volume control
[20:53] <dirty_d2> ill make a patch later
[20:55] <Helldesk> anybody tried that OpenELEC on a raspi?
[20:55] <Helldesk> looks like it's so tiny it'll fit on any sd card
[20:56] <dirty_d2> works nice, had to blast my tv vomume before, distorted audio
[20:56] <Helldesk> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi
[20:59] <Habbie> Helldesk, i've tried it, it's was pretty good and i have heard it has gotten much better after i tried it
[21:00] <the_cuckoo> Helldesk: yeah - using it myself - very nice it is too
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[21:03] <D4rkM4s73r777> how large of memory is can fit into the raspi? 4GB? +
[21:03] <blkhawk> D4rkM4s73r777: depends how much pressure is applied
[21:03] <blkhawk> :P
[21:03] <D4rkM4s73r777> lol
[21:03] <bbb^> lol
[21:04] <D4rkM4s73r777> i'd like to see at least 4gb, but i have a feeling the sd only takes 2gb right now
[21:04] <bbb^> blkhawk: tried making a 4GB CF fit ... the pi won :P
[21:06] <Helldesk> Habbie: does audio work on it?
[21:06] <the_cuckoo> D4rkM4s73r777: i have a couple of 16GB cards which work fine
[21:06] <Habbie> Helldesk, yes - i only tested analog but i hear hdmi works too if you configure it
[21:06] <blkhawk> bbb^: apply mopre pressure :P
[21:07] <Helldesk> I ask because in the default debian the alsa only barely works for a short time before breaking
[21:07] <blkhawk> D4rkM4s73r777: the sd card thing is more or less a software thing - the sp?eed is the problemif anything
[21:07] <blkhawk> i personally used the pi with a 16gb card
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[21:07] <jardiamj> Hey guys, is there any information on how to use spi in the RPi, I know there is an SPI kernel from bootc.net, but I'm new to this...
[21:07] <blkhawk> you need however to repartition and resize the default partitions
[21:07] <the_cuckoo> D4rkM4s73r777: audio is fine with both analogue and hdmi on openelec
[21:08] <jardiamj> so, any info would be greatly appreciated..
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[21:08] <Helldesk> grr, my raspi didn't reboot after a three minute wait this time...
[21:08] <the_cuckoo> D4rkM4s73r777: with current git trunk anyway - the first i tried had a lot of problems with analogue and would only play maybe 1 or 2 mp3's before the audio gave out
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[21:09] <jardiamj> I already got blinking led's all over the Pi, so now, I would like to try to use some sensors..
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[21:14] <D4rkM4s73r777> the_cuckoo, which model of 16GB sd cards are you using?
[21:16] <the_cuckoo> D4rkM4s73r777: one is a lexar type 10 and the other is a sandisk micro sdhc - also 10 i think, but jeez, it reminds me that i need to get glasses
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[21:18] <the_cuckoo> couple of others like a sanddisk 8GB type 4 are also working fine
[21:19] <the_cuckoo> of the 5 cards i've got, none have failed so far anyway
[21:19] <the_cuckoo> (well, 5 which are >= 2 GB - think there's a 1GB somewhere which i haven't bothered with)
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[21:20] <trevorman> I'm using a 16GB Lexar class 4 and it works fine
[21:21] <chaoshax> Anyone got squeeze box working?
[21:21] <chaoshax> Is it in the repos?
[21:21] <trevorman> the server?
[21:21] <chaoshax> Yeah
[21:22] <trevorman> don't see why it wouldn't work. its just a massive perl app.
[21:22] <trevorman> using the transcoding feature might not be a great idea though
[21:22] <chaoshax> Yeah
[21:25] <trevorman> ah hah. already done. its a full distro though but shouldn't be that hard to get it going on debian itself.
[21:25] <trevorman> chaoshax: http://squeezeplug.de/
[21:26] <chaoshax> Ahh cool.
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[21:30] <D4rkM4s73r777> I think I have a sandisk 8Gb, i'll give that one a try when i locate it.
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[21:51] <chancellorsmith> Guess what everyone - I built a LEGO case for my Pi !
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[21:56] <the_cuckoo> chancellorsmith: woot - got pics? :)
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[22:15] <chaoshax> Got squeezeslave working :D
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[22:24] <neofutur> what is the package providing the tvservice tool ?
[22:24] <neofutur> i dont have it ( yet ) in the gentoo image i m using, need to install it
[22:25] <Butcho> I bought a SD card on the supported list, and when I boot from it, it gives me the mmc0: timeout waiting for hardware interrupt error.
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[22:27] <hotwings> Butcho - the "supported list" isnt much help at this point until the kinks are worked out
[22:28] <neofutur> Butcho: http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=173&pid=1414
[22:28] <hotwings> youre not the first guy to buy one from the list and it didnt work.. rpi sdhc is very YMMV right now
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[22:28] <neofutur> perhaps you need to update it
[22:28] <Butcho> hrrmm? update?
[22:29] <neofutur> or just re rwite the image
[22:29] <neofutur> Butcho: read the link I posted, seen to have answers for you
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[22:31] <neofutur> also perhaps try another image
[22:31] <Butcho> there a firmware to flash?
[22:32] <neofutur> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[22:34] <neofutur> Butcho: but perhaps beofore flashing try another inage, burned with dd on linux
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[22:35] <Butcho> you recommend just trying to redownload debian and use dd instead?
[22:35] <Butcho> before you flash the firmware with rpi-update?
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[22:36] <neofutur> how oldis the image you used ?
[22:36] <Butcho> debian6-19-04-2012
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[22:39] <neofutur> yuppretty old
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[22:39] <neofutur> better flash the firmware imo
[22:40] <neofutur> latest firmware is on https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[22:40] <neofutur> an the tool on https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[22:40] <neofutur> could help you
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[22:42] <Butcho> there a newer image? I just downloaded it off raspberry.org?
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[22:42] <neofutur> no ide a dont use debian
[22:42] <neofutur> idea
[22:42] <neofutur> but the forum thread i poste seem to say you need to update the firmware
[22:43] <Butcho> ok thanks
[22:43] <Butcho> what do you use?
[22:45] <neofutur> experimental gentoo image
[22:45] <neofutur> the first one on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t43-gentoo-bootable-image.html
[22:45] <Butcho> loved gentoo back in the day
[22:46] <neofutur> hehe /join #rpi-gentoo if you try to use gentoo ;)
[22:46] <neofutur> works every well here
[22:47] <neofutur> the smaller image "small, minimalist : " is made by someone who is on #rpi-gentoo
[22:48] <ntwrk_keith> cant wait for puppy linux-rpi
[22:49] <neofutur> (theres a #puppy channel here also )
[22:49] <IT_Sean> Does it have puppies in it!!
[22:49] <neofutur> hum #puppylinux
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[22:56] <Butcho> didn't work
[22:56] <Butcho> going to try rewriting the image
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[23:09] <neofutur> /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s
[23:09] <neofutur> 2676061635: vchiq_lib: Very incompatible VCHIQ library - cannot retrieve driver version
[23:09] <neofutur> any idea ?
[23:10] <neofutur> hum I probably need to reboot, just updated the firmware
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[23:22] <bootc> jumpkick: http://www.bootc.net/raspberrypi/linux-image-3.2.19-rpi1+_2_armel.deb
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[23:22] <bootc> should have the module in it now
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[23:30] <neofutur> ewhuch module '
[23:31] <neofutur> which module ?
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[23:41] <bootc> neofutur: gspca_zc3xx and other gspca webcam modules
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[23:50] <friggle> I've finally posted the current state of the next 'official' raspberry pi image http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8071
[23:50] <friggle> please check it out (and someone, check the torrent works please)
[23:50] <Tomtiger11> Made a lego case, but its a bit messy...
[23:50] <Simon-> friggle: have you stopped using the "first32k.bin" hack?
[23:51] <friggle> Simon-: depends whether Dom removed it from his build scripts
[23:51] <friggle> I haven't checked I'm afraid
[23:52] <Simon-> I can't see why there was a comment saying that pio mode sd doesn't work
[23:52] <Simon-> there's nothing obviously different about the two drivers in pio mode...
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[23:54] <amelia_> friggle: torrent has 1 connected peer here
[23:54] <IT_Sean> ?
[23:55] <friggle> amelia_: good, that will be me seeding :)
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[23:55] * IT_Sean hates poorly seeded torrents
[23:55] <haltdef> pirate
[23:56] <NucWin> turn dht on
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> turn mainscreen on.
[23:56] <D-side> "main screen turn on"
[23:56] <lennard> D-side: you are one lousy translator!
[23:56] <D-side> :|
[23:57] <D-side> HELLO GENTLEMEN
[23:57] <friggle> NucWin: I believe it should be (DHT is enabled by default in mktorrent I think)
[23:57] <amelia_> friggle: once I've got a couple of other priority downloads finished, I'll get back to grabbing the torrent, then keep seeding it :)
[23:57] <cehteh> fragalot: is there a upgrade path by apt-get?
[23:57] <D-side> i'm so happy
[23:57] <amelia_> D-side: IT'S YOU!!!!!
[23:57] <cehteh> err damn .. friggle
[23:57] <lennard> what torrent are we talking about?
[23:57] <cehteh> i meant
[23:57] <D-side> i smoked ribs for the first time ever today
[23:57] <friggle> cehteh: no, and in fact you remind me - I should make it clear this image is *just for testing*
[23:57] <friggle> I can't guarantee an upgrade path to the final release
[23:58] <cehteh> friggle: that should be the goal
[23:58] <cehteh> i'Ve hacked a lot personal things on my rpi image and dont want to replace it
[23:58] <friggle> cehteh: after the next release, there should always be an upgrade path
[23:58] <cehteh> ack
[23:58] <cehteh> of if not now, but for future this would be nice
[23:58] <friggle> cehteh: that's the aim. firmware etc is all packaged
[23:59] <friggle> cehteh: only real reason it won't be a straight forward upgrade is I need to set up a signed repository on raspberrypi.org
[23:59] <lennard> friggle: why the wheezy-based thing? :)

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