#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-11

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[0:00] <friggle> lennard: wheezy has newer packages, is freezing soon. It makes sense I think to push it as the primary platform
[0:00] <lennard> wouldnt be my choice I think, but I suppose it cant hurt much either
[0:01] <lennard> especially if it freezes soon, havent kept track
[0:02] <cehteh> at this stage its prolly ok ... but for long term future i wont base official images on a not released distrbution
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[0:09] <Moofie> friggle, since omxplayer is included, does it black out the background when playing a video? I'm guessing that this is an omxplayer issue but it would be nice if it would be updated to draw a black background if the black bars are not part of the movie
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[0:10] <friggle> Moofie: no it won't. The right solution is probably a wrapper script that blanks the framebuffer before launchying omxplayer
[0:10] <Moofie> friggle: talking about that new debian image btw
[0:10] <Moofie> would that also work if X is running?
[0:10] <friggle> can anyone jump on the torrent? I'm still seeing no peers http://asbradbury.org/tmp/raspi/2012_06_10_spindle_wheezy_public_alpha.img.gz.torrent
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[0:10] <friggle> Moofie: I suspect so, but haven't tried
[0:10] <lennard> friggle: I should be seeding
[0:11] <friggle> lennard: well, this is an image we're pushing to desktop users. I'll get my build scripts to make a minimal squeeze too for those who want the perceived stability
[0:12] <Moofie> downloading with uTorrent
[0:12] <Moofie> 700'ish kB/s
[0:12] <friggle> Moofie: ok great, I see you downloading. If lennard is seeding too sounds like we're sorted
[0:12] <lennard> I don't see any peers though
[0:13] <Moofie> I see 1 peer
[0:13] <lennard> Moofie: is it something 130.89.*-ey?
[0:13] <Moofie> li60-24.members.linode.com
[0:13] <friggle> that would be me
[0:14] <Moofie> using libtorrent0.12.6
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[0:14] <lennard> hmm, weird
[0:14] <lennard> I'd assume transmission was good for it
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[0:17] <lennard> there then. added an rtorrent in the mix as well
[0:17] <lennard> cant go wrong :P
[0:17] <lennard> still no peers though
[0:18] <D-side> wait what's this?
[0:18] <D-side> need help testing a torrent, or seeding one?
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[0:18] <cehteh> uhm need a 100mbit seed server? :)
[0:18] <lennard> pfft
[0:18] <lennard> thats nothing! :P
[0:18] <lennard> <-- gbit seeding from the home
[0:18] <D-side> i may be able to do gigabit
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[0:19] <D-side> good let that guy do it then :D
[0:19] <Moofie> download complete, some nice uploading there :)
[0:19] <lennard> we *should* be good its just I cant be sure its working as I see no peers
[0:19] <lennard> but maybe there just isnt any need for them
[0:19] <lennard> oh wait
[0:19] <lennard> peers!
[0:19] <lennard> slow ones, too
[0:20] <Moofie> someone in sweden downloading?
[0:20] <cehteh> Failed opening torrent file `http://asbradbury.org/tmp/raspi/2012_06_10_spindle_wheezy_public_alpha.img.gz.torrent'
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[0:21] <cehteh> mhm maybe firewall on the server
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[0:24] <lennard> throwing 10G at is might be overdoing it a bit, right?
[0:24] <lennard> it*
[0:24] <cehteh> the point of bt is distribution not centralization :)
[0:25] <lennard> true :P
[0:25] <lennard> but thats just because the rest of the world doesn't have proper connections yet ;)
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[0:30] <lennard> well, I'm off for the night, too bad ctorrent doesn't show me a total uploaded for when i wake up ;)
[0:31] <lennard> oh wait its a transmission, keep forgetting
[0:31] <lennard> w/e:)
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[0:40] <neofutur> is itpossible to change the resolution when using RCA connectors ( connected to my TV )
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[0:43] <friggle> does the forum prevent you from editing posts after a certain amount of time?
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[0:44] <neofutur> yes you cant edit posts on the official forum
[0:44] <neofutur> main reason why i made my oewn, to be able to refine my posts
[0:44] <neofutur> ( http://r.pi.gw.gd/ )
[0:45] <ReggieUK> given the amount of traffic on the site, I Think it's a good idea that the editign is limited
[0:45] <ReggieUK> if you really need to edit stuff, just add another post to the thread :D
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[0:48] <neofutur> ReggieUK: this means people have to read 100 posts to find 4 lines of useful information
[0:48] <neofutur> editing OP is necessary for a useful forum
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[0:49] <ReggieUK> searching works
[0:49] <SpeedEvil> With a flag to show it was edited of course
[0:49] <SpeedEvil> Searching works if you know the search term
[0:50] <ReggieUK> then I'm not entirely sure how editing automatically helps to put information all in one place in a thread
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[0:51] <ntwrk_keith> 18:38:37] <+neofutur> is itpossible to change the resolution when using RCA connectors ( connected to my TV )
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[0:51] <ntwrk_keith> good question, i wondered the same thing when connected via HDMI
[0:52] <neofutur> tvservice -s says 720*480 60 htz interlaced
[0:52] <ReggieUK> then again, if you want something editable, where you can keep all of the sensible information, there's always the wiki
[0:53] <neofutur> tvservice -m gives 0 modes
[0:54] <neofutur> ReggieUK: (or go away and put your info somewhere else :p )
[0:54] <ntwrk_keith> i didnt even no of that command :)
[0:54] <ntwrk_keith> im a linux newb
[0:54] <neofutur> ntwrk_keith: with hdmi is easy to setup the display :
[0:54] <neofutur> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_configuration
[0:54] <ntwrk_keith> i just plugged in and it worked
[0:54] <ntwrk_keith> jsut couldnt change res
[0:54] <neofutur> but with RCa adaptors on a old TV it semms impossible
[0:56] <friggle> well, I've found a solution to the editing problem ;)
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[0:58] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, torrent seemt o be working fine... download is going well.
[0:58] <ShiftPlusOne> seems to*
[0:58] <friggle> yeah, seem to have had a number of complete downloads now
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[1:01] <neofutur> state: HPD low|HDMI off|NTSC mode|composite CP off (0x140001), 720x480 @ 60Hz, interlaced
[1:01] <neofutur> is it normal I have composite CP off (0x140001) ?
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[1:02] <gordonDrogon> hey ho.
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[1:02] <locojay1> hi i have raspbmc running fine on addon's . unfortuanaly i can't play any file's from mac smb share. i can browse with no probs
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[1:02] <gordonDrogon> right. after a lot of faffing about, I can now boot code into an ATmega 168/328 directly over the serial port on my Pi.
[1:02] <locojay1> but it says failed to playback check log file. where's the log file /var/log/?
[1:02] <gordonDrogon> The ATmega running at 12MHz @ 3.3v.
[1:03] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, congratz
[1:03] <ReggieUK> how did you end up implementing it? like you mentioned earlier?
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[1:04] <gordonDrogon> yes. using a gpio pin to reset the ATmega and working out the right lock & fuse bit settings on the AVR chip to run at 12MHz with the ceramic oscilator thingy.
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[1:04] <ReggieUK> I hate fuses on atmega
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> it's not stable at 115200 baud though - I might have a look at the boot loader code, but it's a mess - looks like it just gets hacked about by someone random every time adrunio releases a new chip
[1:05] <ReggieUK> look for the atmega baudrate calculator
[1:05] <ReggieUK> check and see whether teh clock you're running the atmega is stable enough for 115200
[1:05] <gordonDrogon> yea, tomorow :)
[1:05] <gordonDrogon> I don't think the bootloader I'm using uses the double-rate mode.
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[1:06] <gordonDrogon> my own code uses it, and once it's booted my own code, it works fine at 115000 ... but it's telling that the bootloader code only runs at 57600 on the 2009 arduinos.
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[1:06] <gordonDrogon> however at the end of the day it's really not an issue for the amount of code we're sending into them!
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[1:07] <gordonDrogon> if it were MB then I'd be concerned.
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[1:07] <ReggieUK> http://www.wormfood.net/avrbaudcalc.php?postbitrate=115200&postclock=12
[1:07] <ReggieUK> scroll down to 12Mhz
[1:07] <ReggieUK> 115200 @ 12mhz gives quite a large % of error
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[1:08] <gordonDrogon> yes, 7.5% according to that chart.
[1:08] <ReggieUK> and give that you're using an oscillator rather than a xtal you may well be introducing extra error on top
[1:08] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[1:08] <ReggieUK> +>2% is usually what they describe as good enough
[1:09] <ReggieUK> sorry, that should be <=2%
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[1:09] <neofutur> anyone have a /etc/fb.modes file with the modes available for the raspberry pi display ?
[1:09] <ReggieUK> and the clock speed will wander with temp wiht the oscillator too won't it?
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> Hm. He's not showing the 2nd control byes.
[1:10] <gordonDrogon> probably. I don't know much about these ceraminc things othe than that they're cheap & easy with the serial caps. built in!
[1:10] <amelia_> friggle: seeding now ^^
[1:10] <gordonDrogon> just one blob package with 2 pins - plug in & go!
[1:12] <gordonDrogon> not sure what will happen if some numpty configures the gpio port as output and drives it high...
[1:12] <ReggieUK> http://www.b9.com//elect/avr/kavrcalc/
[1:13] <locojay1> Playlist Player: skipping unplayable item
[1:13] <ReggieUK> the first one I posted, he does mention that the calculator was built when there was only the one register for ubrr
[1:13] <ReggieUK> but the math still holds true
[1:14] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, that avrcalc crashes on my Linux PC!
[1:14] <gordonDrogon> still, no real issue for now.
[1:14] <locojay1> am i not able to play avi files?
[1:14] <gordonDrogon> it works at 57600.
[1:15] <zgreg> alright, all my SD/MMC cards work great with the pi now, and with great performance
[1:15] <bsilvereagle> Other than a new kb, has anyone found a solution to sticky keys?
[1:15] <Decepshun> zgreg: what kind do you use?
[1:15] <zgreg> the only remaining issue is that the host is slow to recognize removal of that one ancient 16 MB (!) MMC card
[1:16] <zgreg> it takes about 10 seconds for the host to notice it's gone
[1:16] <friggle> zgreg: is this you? https://github.com/grigorig
[1:16] <Decepshun> zgreg: what kind do you use?
[1:16] <zgreg> friggle: yes
[1:16] <zgreg> Decepshun: of SD cards? all kinds :)
[1:17] <ReggieUK> does the sd card have a working detect pin?
[1:17] <friggle> great, we're getting Naren to review your changes
[1:17] <ReggieUK> socket*
[1:17] <locojay1> mmh seems like a samba problem on osx
[1:17] <zgreg> ReggieUK: no. :( it polls for card insertion and removal
[1:17] <Decepshun> zgreg: what class/speed?
[1:17] <zgreg> Decepshun: all of them :)
[1:17] <Decepshun> k
[1:17] <zgreg> no, really, I have a good selection of SD cards here to test compatibility
[1:18] <ReggieUK> so if it can poll whether the cards there, surely the dectect pin can be setup as an interrupt instead?
[1:18] <zgreg> I don't know if the detect pin is even connected
[1:18] <zgreg> probably not
[1:18] <ReggieUK> ahh, that's what I was getting at
[1:18] <zgreg> if it were, they'd have used it
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[1:18] <ReggieUK> so it just queries the card directly to see if it's there?
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[1:18] <zgreg> more or less, yes
[1:19] <zgreg> it queries the SD status periodically, and if that fails it tries to find out what's going on
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[1:19] <ReggieUK> zgreg, not sure how you think you can assert that statement with them using 80/20Mhz for clock generation in their sd code ;)
[1:19] <ReggieUK> the 'if it were, tehy'd have used it' statement
[1:19] <zgreg> well, maybe you're right
[1:20] <zgreg> the SD driver also copies from various fragments of other kernel code
[1:20] <gordonDrogon> bed time...
[1:20] <ReggieUK> 'gnight gordonDrogon
[1:20] <zgreg> but it's not just copy & paste, they added a few bugs on top of it (no kidding)
[1:21] <zgreg> the whole set_clock/get_timeout_clock/etc is not neede *at all*
[1:21] <ReggieUK> I think the code has just been written to work on a limited set of hardware
[1:21] <ReggieUK> zgreg, oh?
[1:21] <zgreg> the custom implementations do a worse job than the kernel's implementations
[1:21] <ReggieUK> I noticed that as well as the stuff they do, there was also code in a couple of other places that seemed to do the same thing
[1:22] <ReggieUK> so they've sidestepped the kernels effort and added their own layer of obfuscation in then?
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[1:24] <zgreg> by the way, I found out that maybe we need to use the SDHCI_QUIRK_NO_HISPD_BIT quirk, that seems to fix those cards for me that previously didn't work in high-speed mode
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[1:35] <ReggieUK> I wondered about those too zgreg (quirks)
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[1:35] <ReggieUK> had no idea which ones might be relevant
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[1:37] <zgreg> me neither, because we don't have proper docs...
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[1:37] <zgreg> I was reading broadcom's datasheet and the SDHCI reference and tried to figure out what could be right
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[1:42] <ReggieUK> I'm just taking a look at the serial driver
[1:42] <ReggieUK> kind of wish I hadn't bothered
[1:43] <ReggieUK> basically got to write dtr/rts code ourselves
[1:43] <zgreg> ReggieUK: the card detect pin of the SD slot is connected, at least
[1:43] <zgreg> there's nothing in the driver (yet) to use that, though
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[1:43] <ReggieUK> I kind of knew this but not that the uart on the pi just doesn't have the pins for it (rts/dtr) I just though they weren't brought out anywhere :/
[1:44] <ReggieUK> which, the card detect pin?
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[1:44] <zgreg> these control signals are not part of typical UARTs
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[1:44] <zgreg> really, just look at *any* typical MCU or SoC, they're probably not there
[1:44] <zgreg> do you really need them?
[1:44] <ReggieUK> sure but I'd been informed that they did actually exist but weren't brought out :)
[1:45] <zgreg> well, they exist in the form of GPIO pins
[1:45] <ReggieUK> of course :)
[1:45] <jumpkick> thx boots, downloading and installing now???
[1:45] <jumpkick> thx bootc
[1:46] <ReggieUK> I guess it depends on the state of everything when I get my project together whether I directly need rts (would like to as that would make it hardware compatible with everyone else)
[1:46] <ReggieUK> but I could easily use just a gpio pin myself
[1:46] <ReggieUK> I could use a usb to serial adapter
[1:47] <ReggieUK> but that really depends on how flaky the usb is
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[1:47] <ReggieUK> I don't need much in the way of usb bandwith
[1:47] <ReggieUK> usb 1.1 speeds max
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[1:47] <ReggieUK> but I need it to be stable
[1:48] <ReggieUK> and I don't particularly have faith in the usb on the pi right now
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[1:50] <jumpkick> me neither???
[1:51] * jumpkick hoping newer kernel updates help with it
[1:51] <trevorman> generally on a soc you do the serial handshaking with GPIOs. no point dedicating pins to the UART when most things won't need it.
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[2:00] <rasp7aa> hi
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[2:05] <zgreg> https://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux/commit/dde737df0b63d7c90812e0c338d34a8d21751152 :)
[2:06] <zgreg> it's funny how removing so much code solves most problems
[2:07] <ReggieUK> indeed!
[2:08] <ReggieUK> that's quite a lot of culling
[2:08] <ReggieUK> so does that put max speed as to whatever emmc_clock_freq is now set to?
[2:09] <ReggieUK> or rather what it's defined as initially
[2:10] <zgreg> yes
[2:10] <zgreg> but that's fine, the MMC/SDHCI subsystem will make sure to stay within SD limits
[2:11] <rasp7aa> did you get over the issues you were having yesterday?
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[2:12] <zgreg> the one with high-speed SD cards? yes
[2:12] <zgreg> at least all of my cards work fine now
[2:12] <rasp7aa> so a main]]]
[2:12] <rasp7aa> oops
[2:13] <rasp7aa> so a mainstream release is coming soon?
[2:13] <zgreg> I think more testing is required
[2:13] <zgreg> I'll try to get as many SD cards as possible from friends/colleagues/etc and test them
[2:16] <ReggieUK> what's teh max speed you've hit so far zgreg?
[2:16] <zgreg> 19 MB/s
[2:17] <zgreg> that's about the limit for SD high-speed
[2:17] <zgreg> really good cards might be able to get up to 20 MB/s
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[2:17] <rasp7aa> cool
[2:18] <ReggieUK> so cehtehs 25MB/23MB/s was overclocked? (according to your patch to limit and set correct clock speeds) I know we know it was overclocked
[2:18] <zgreg> yes
[2:18] <ReggieUK> but should he now get those kinds of speeds without overclocking?
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[2:18] <zgreg> almost those speeds
[2:18] <ReggieUK> awesome :)
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[2:19] <zgreg> SD high-speed's physical interface speed is 25 MB/s, but of course there's a bit of overhead, so typically you can get a little over 20 MB/s under best-case conditions
[2:20] <zgreg> I think 20 MB/s is perfectly fine, there's really no need to overclock the SD interface
[2:21] <zgreg> you can definitely feel the difference between 4.5 MB/s and 20 MB/s, but if you get 2-3 MB/s more doesn't really matter anymore at this point
[2:21] <Aterlatus> Is your patch used on top of the ones that were linked on the forum, or instead of? Was planning on doing a compile tonight...
[2:22] <zgreg> Aterlatus: on top of, I also posted those on the forums
[2:22] <Aterlatus> Ahh ;)
[2:22] <Aterlatus> Cheers for the work. :)
[2:22] <mjr> zgreg, whee
[2:23] <Aterlatus> Still needs the init_emmc tweak in config.txt though yeah?
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[2:24] <zgreg> Aterlatus: you actually need to *LOWER* the clock down to 50 MHz
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[2:24] <Aterlatus> Fair enough, as I say, thanks for the work. I know my way around Linux and can do a fair bit of programming, but never had the guts to tinker with the kernel innards myself so would never be able to do it without you. ;)
[2:25] <zgreg> Aterlatus: if you adjust BCM2708_EMMC_CLOCK_FREQ in drivers/mmc/host/sdhci-bcm2708.c you can also use other clock speeds
[2:25] <zgreg> the default clock of 80 MHz is not that useful unfortunately
[2:26] <zgreg> 80 MHz cannot be divided well into 25/50 MHz, which are the most important speeds for SD :)
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[2:31] <rasp7aa> zgreg: Will this patch be compatible with raspbian?
[2:34] <zgreg> of course
[2:34] <zgreg> I'm using raspbian myself
[2:35] <ReggieUK> no reason it shouldn't on debian too :)
[2:35] <ReggieUK> the last set of patches did
[2:35] <zgreg> the userland generally shouldn't matter at all
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[2:36] <Aterlatus> A good thing too.... I'm still not settled on a distro. lol
[2:37] <Aterlatus> I don't feel comfortable if I'm not in Gentoo, and I'm having a lot of 'fun' getting gentoo on there.
[2:37] <mikey_w> We need a LFS for the raspberry pi.
[2:37] <neofutur> Aterlatus: /join #rpi-gentoo
[2:37] <Decepshun> I am curious...I don't really have a distro...I just installed raspbmc...which is all I am looking to do with it
[2:37] <Aterlatus> I'm in there neofutur ;)
[2:37] <neofutur> Aterlatus: http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f15-Gentoo-Linux.html
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[2:38] <neofutur> Aterlatus: ahyes ;) you already got it working ? which image have you chose ?
[2:38] <Decepshun> do I still do apt-gets updates/upgrades even with rasbmc?
[2:39] <Aterlatus> Been trying to set up a fresh install from virtual machines on my other boxes, but had no luck so far. Just now booting rasbian on the pi to hook up an external SD reader and install to a card in that.
[2:39] <neofutur> use one of the gentoo images
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[2:40] <neofutur> http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t43-gentoo-bootable-image.html
[2:40] <neofutur> I have the first one running
[2:40] <Aterlatus> I wanted to do it from scratch - feels more personal then. It's why I like gentoo - when you compile everything yourself, it feels more like your own. lol
[2:41] <Guest35212> have any of you got 720p video to play fullscreen when the config.txt is set to 1080p?
[2:41] <Aterlatus> But if I keep failing, I'll grab an image. ;)
[2:41] <neofutur> Aterlatus: better help us make the gentoo images better
[2:41] <rasp7aa> Decepshun: I don't use it myself, but it's still debian underneath right?
[2:41] <neofutur> still much work to be done
[2:43] <rasp7aa> Decepshun: I'd assume, if you weren't supposed to apt-get then the dev would just change the repo urls to junk
[2:43] <Aterlatus> I'm intending to set the pi up to be used in the field for astronomy - capturing webcam image, giving quick access to maps and the like. If I pull it off, of course I'll be sharing. ;)
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[2:44] <zgreg> heads-up: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=96820#p96820
[2:44] <neofutur> ( cant use fbset )
[2:46] <ReggieUK> might be worth mentioning the maximum speeds that people can get in that thread zgreg?
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[2:46] <zgreg> hmm yeah
[2:47] <Aterlatus> Ahhh damn, the USB SD card reader I was hoping to use turns out to not be one..... was trying to use an old camera. lol
[2:47] <Aterlatus> Might just have to stick it in the laptop and mount with sshfs or something.
[2:47] <ReggieUK> oh and might be worth mentioning about overclocking (to 100Mhz) looking at the spec, at 100Mhz, the card can be drawing 400ma
[2:47] <ReggieUK> and at sdr104 it can be pulling 800ma
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[2:48] <zgreg> yes, at 1.8V :)
[2:48] <zgreg> but that does not matter here
[2:48] <neofutur> cat /proc/fb
[2:48] <ReggieUK> ahh,ok, that's cool, it was the spec that was saying mA/3.6v VDD :)
[2:48] <neofutur> 0 BCM2708 FB
[2:48] <rasp7aa> wow 400mA for just the card?
[2:48] <zgreg> I only remember 150 mA as the max
[2:49] <zgreg> from the SD physical layer specification
[2:49] <ReggieUK> https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/pls/simplified_specs/Part_1_Physical_Layer_Simplified_Specification_Ver_3.01_Final_100518.pdf
[2:49] <ReggieUK> page 17
[2:50] <zgreg> ok, you're right, an 800 mA is crazy
[2:50] <zgreg> but we're only using high-speed mode
[2:51] <mikey_w> zgreg, where is the url for the sd improved bootable image?
[2:51] <zgreg> mikey_w: see the forum post I liked to above
[2:51] <zgreg> *linked
[2:51] <ReggieUK> sure but if someone puts 100mhz overclock in or higher, will that push the current draw up?
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[2:51] <ReggieUK> or does the overclock not actually work now?
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[2:52] <ReggieUK> because you can bet that someone *will* try it :)
[2:52] <zgreg> it's very unlikely such an overclock will work
[2:52] <mikey_w> It says the image is available on the authors site but no url to the site.
[2:52] <zgreg> mikey_w: there's a direct link to an .xz compressed file?!
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[2:53] <zgreg> http://greg.kinoho.net/kernel-20120611.img.xz
[2:55] <ReggieUK> zgreg, did you spot the odd speeds in the other parts of teh sd drivers?
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[2:55] <ReggieUK> 26Mhz, 52Mhz?
[2:55] <mikey_w> I'll look again.
[2:55] <mikey_w> http://greg.kinoho.net/rpi-sd.tar.gz
[2:56] <zgreg> those are old and broken
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[2:56] <zgreg> use teh github
[2:56] <Aterlatus> They're the ones I've got.... where are the right ones on github? lol
[2:57] <zgreg> well, see the forum post... or here: https://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux/tree/sdhci-perf
[2:58] <mikey_w> So where is the correct image?
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[2:59] <Aterlatus> Have to admit I'm not particularly familiar with github - you've got a complete kernel with patches applied there yeah?
[3:00] <zgreg> yes
[3:00] <Aterlatus> np, I'll clone that then. Cheers.
[3:00] <zgreg> mikey_w: the image is linked in the forum post. as I said.
[3:00] <mikey_w> Why don't you just give me the link?
[3:01] <zgreg> I have also posted the link to it a few minutes ago in this channel
[3:03] <mikey_w> http://greg.kinoho.net/kernel-20120611.img.xz
[3:03] <mikey_w> Thaks.
[3:03] <mikey_w> Thanks.
[3:04] <ReggieUK> yay, scrolling up ftw
[3:05] <zgreg> Aterlatus: it's easier to simply merge my changes :)
[3:06] <mikey_w> Now if I only had my pi.
[3:06] <Aterlatus> Never had git in my day, that's where I'm unfamiliar.
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[3:10] <Aterlatus> Guess I've got some man pages to trawl. ;)
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[3:12] <ReggieUK> so, zgreg, quickly back to the current draw, could that affect the card if it's run at higher speeds without the latest patch?
[3:13] <ReggieUK> like I suspect the current draw is a product of clock speed and nothing else
[3:13] <Arch-Raspberrypi> wow there is alot moe people here than before
[3:13] <Aterlatus> Awwww dammit. Eating KFC on South Park.... now I want KFC. At 2AM. :(
[3:13] <ReggieUK> we're getting a KFC in my town :)
[3:14] * ReggieUK does a happy dance
[3:14] <Aterlatus> I've got two within a couple of minutes drive, but neither are open at 2AM. lol
[3:14] <zgreg> ReggieUK: yes, but these limits are worst-case... I've never seen an SD card gobble up so much current
[3:14] <rasp7aa> Aterlatus: kfc solidifies your brain
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[3:15] <ReggieUK> I only found that document a few days ago :)
[3:15] <ReggieUK> and i've never tested teh current draw
[3:16] <neofutur> Arch-Raspberrypi: hehe many people received their pi those last days
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[3:17] <rasp7aa> neofutur: they should be in #raspberrypi-owners then
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[3:24] <neofutur> options like :
[3:24] <neofutur> bcm2708_fb.fbdepth=32 bcm2708.allow_highspeed=1
[3:25] <neofutur> can only be set in the cmdline.txt file
[3:25] <neofutur> or also in the confi.txt ?
[3:26] <ReggieUK> looks like command line stuff to me
[3:26] <neofutur> k
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[3:27] <neofutur> guys, do you have a file /etc/fb.modes ?
[3:27] <neofutur> I dont have one and ned one to get fbset working
[3:28] <rasp7aa> nope
[3:28] <birdontophat> not on mine
[3:28] <neofutur> grumph, fbset need one
[3:29] <Arch-Raspberrypi> i have one
[3:29] <neofutur> it seems the BCM2708 FB have no supported modes
[3:29] <Arch-Raspberrypi> what dist did you install?
[3:29] <neofutur> ah ;) Arch-Raspberrypi could you pastebin it ?
[3:29] <neofutur> custon gentoo
[3:30] <Arch-Raspberrypi> ah sure...gimmie a moment
[3:30] <neofutur> very experimental, many work to be done
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[3:32] <ReggieUK> http://bisqwit.iki.fi/source/fbmodes.html
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[3:34] <Arch-Raspberrypi> neofutur, http://pastebin.com/t7mq57pa
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[3:36] <neofutur> many thanks !
[3:36] <Arch-Raspberrypi> neofutur: np
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[3:40] <GabrialDestruir> Not sure if it's a byproduct of beeing in an overly hot room or running at 800mhz, but just pulled my Pi out of it's case and it felt hotter than one would imagine it'd get.
[3:40] <Decepshun> which is why I am getting the case that has a fan
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[3:41] <neofutur> one more question
[3:41] <neofutur> dev-libs/DirectFB-1.4.9-r1 USE="zlib -X -debug -doc -fbcon -gif -jpeg (-mmx) -png -sdl (-sse) -static-libs -truetype -v4l" INPUT_DEVICES="evdev keyboard mouse -dynapro -elo2300 -joystick -lirc -mutouch -tslib" VIDEO_CARDS="(-intel) (-mach64) (-mga) (-neomagic) (-nsc) (-nvidia) (-r128) (-radeon) (-s3) (-savage) (-sis) (-tdfx) (-via) (-vmware)"
[3:41] <neofutur> which flags should I set for directFB on the pi ?
[3:41] <Arch-Raspberrypi> GabrialDestruir: which case did you get?
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> I went the lego method
[3:42] <Decepshun> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-3D-Printed-Case-Assorted-Colors-/180901208827?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2a1e8d62fb
[3:43] <neofutur> Decepshun: thanks for the link, i ll add it to my list of pi cases
[3:44] <Decepshun> I am getting only because of the fan option
[3:45] <neofutur> Decepshun: can you give feedback here when you receive it ?
[3:45] <neofutur> I ll probably order one if you re happy of it
[3:45] <Arch-Raspberrypi> that makes me want to get a 3d printer
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[3:46] <Decepshun> I wish I still worked at one of my last companies...they do stereolithography
[3:46] <Decepshun> I could have made my own :|
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> I might have to mode my case with a fan somehow if it's gonna get this hot all the time .-.
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[3:47] <Decepshun> GabrialDestruir: instead of a solid top, just drill holes inbetween the legos boss'
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[3:48] <Decepshun> or...just get the 1x1 lego squares and standoff the top to make a vent all the way around
[3:48] <Arch-Raspberrypi> decadance: damnit....i couldnt find any cases at all so i went with shapeways...that costing 2x a much...now ill have to get one of these
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[3:49] <GabrialDestruir> Yea the vent method could work, as it currently is the only vents are around the ports.
[3:49] <cehteh> reminds me that i have some aluminium in the cellar ..
[3:49] <cehteh> unibody ftw :)
[3:50] <Arch-Raspberrypi> GabrialDestruir: i cant see that being any different than the dockstar which only has vents on the side and its doing the same thing
[3:50] <Decepshun> I was just at the lego store yesterday and I forgot about buying pieces to make my own case for the heck of it
[3:50] <Arch-Raspberrypi> and the dockstar is more powerfull but less memory
[3:51] <Decepshun> has there been a wireless home entertainment keyboard/mouse know to work well with the rpi and not a huge drain on the USB bus?
[3:51] <Decepshun> know=known
[3:53] <GabrialDestruir> I wouldn't say it's a "home entertainment" keyboard/mouse but the logitech k400 works nicely
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[3:54] <GabrialDestruir> It's a keyboard/trackpad combo
[3:54] <Decepshun> that's exactly what I am looking for too
[3:54] <Decepshun> nice price
[3:55] <rasp7aa> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B004FSFYG8
[3:55] <Decepshun> http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Multimedia-Remote-Keyboard-N5901/dp/B0036VO67I mate bought that for his rpi...he said it works good too
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[3:56] <GabrialDestruir> The only problem I've had with it so far, is with XBMC failing to properly recognize the volume keys, but that's not they keyboards fault, it's a programming issue in XBMC
[3:56] <Decepshun> yeah
[3:56] <Decepshun> I did hear that
[3:56] <Arch-Raspberrypi> Decepshun: yeah i have that for my media station..works great
[3:57] <Decepshun> I am torn whether I want the trackball or trackpad
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[3:58] <Aterlatus> Take my word for it gents - writing to an SD card over an NFS mount will give you a newfound respect for the unpatched rpi SD access speed...
[3:58] <GabrialDestruir> I think I'd want a trackpad, because I have a tendency to bury my keyboards sometimes and it'd be a pain to have the trackball going all willy nilly xD
[3:58] <Arch-Raspberrypi> trackball doesnt come out
[3:59] <Decepshun> Aterlatus: I still cant figure out how to get NFS to work for me :(
[3:59] <Decepshun> I am not that savvy with it
[3:59] <GabrialDestruir> But things can move it, where as usually you won't have something sliding across your trackpad that can interact with it
[3:59] <Decepshun> everytime I try to mount a NFS drive, it says it can't find it
[4:00] <Arch-Raspberrypi> GabrialDestruir: unless you purposly put something on top of it...well then thats the fault of the user
[4:00] <Aterlatus> Include relevant bits in kernel, install userspace tools, create the /etc/exports file - works well once it's up. Just real damn slow when I'm writing to the SD. lol
[4:00] <Decepshun> I am just trying to mount a share on my drobo-fs using UNFSD
[4:00] <Decepshun> I changed the exports
[4:01] <Decepshun> tried to mount it in the rpi
[4:01] <Decepshun> doesn't let me :|
[4:01] <Aterlatus> What distro you running server-side?
[4:01] <Decepshun> just raspbmc (forgive me...not that *nix savvy
[4:01] <Decepshun> )
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[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently you have to plug in the HDMI ALL the way or it doesn't work
[4:02] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[4:02] <Decepshun> So.. Aterlatus
[4:03] <Aterlatus> On the machine you're trying to access files on, what distro are you using?
[4:04] <Decepshun> there is no distro...it's on a drobo...you can run small drobo-apps on it...one of the apps is a NFS app called UNFSD
[4:04] <Aterlatus> Ahh, it's a SAN.
[4:04] <Decepshun> yes
[4:05] <Decepshun> This is my export path /mnt/DroboFS/Shares/Movies (rw,all_squash,insecure)
[4:05] <Aterlatus> Remove the space between the 24 and the (
[4:05] <Aterlatus> I just made that cockup when I was setting mine up.
[4:05] <Aterlatus> Might be the cause of your problem, might not, but should be fixed either way. ;)
[4:06] <Decepshun> interesting
[4:08] <Decepshun> so my fstab should look like this then? /media/nfs-movies nfs defaults,user,auto,noatime,intr 0 0
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[4:08] <Aterlatus> I'd imagine you want it to be one of the last things mounted rather than first.
[4:09] <Decepshun> well...it is
[4:09] <Decepshun> I just linked that line
[4:09] <Decepshun> but is the format correct?
[4:09] <Aterlatus> The "0 0" at the end makes it mount in the first pass - probably better to mount it after other things if it's auto mounting.
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[4:10] <Decepshun> should I just remove it then?
[4:10] <Decepshun> this is where I get lost
[4:10] <Aterlatus> Well see if you can get it to mount manually, then you can worry about that bit.
[4:10] <Decepshun> ok
[4:10] <Aterlatus> mount -t nfs /media/nfs-movies
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[4:11] <Decepshun> yeah
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[4:20] <Decepshun> crud...now I cant putty to the rpi
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[4:21] <Aterlatus> Has it picked up a new IP off your router? I seem to have had about 10 different ones so far and I've only been working on it a couple of days. :P
[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> My Pi's internet is being tempermental -.-
[4:22] <Decepshun> possible...but my son is using the tv so I cant change to the other HDMI port to check :P
[4:22] <GabrialDestruir> I hate when things get tempermental
[4:22] <Decepshun> also...is it possible to assign an IP to the rpi?
[4:23] <GabrialDestruir> Yes it is.
[4:23] <zgreg> I like to use mDNS, I don't need to care about IPs
[4:23] <Decepshun> I assigned an IP to my drobo...I just need to do the same with the rpi
[4:23] <GabrialDestruir> Yup
[4:24] <Arch-Raspberrypi> mdns? /googles it
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[4:24] <zgreg> just install avahi-daemon, and you'll get mDNS discovery
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[4:24] <Decepshun> actually...I think raspbmc does that
[4:25] <Decepshun> install avahi-daemon that is
[4:25] <zgreg> if so, great :)
[4:25] <Arch-Raspberrypi> Decepshun: yeah i have that installed BUT windows doesnt see it unlike most *nix flavors
[4:25] <zgreg> on an osx/linux system you can just access it with yourhostname.local then
[4:26] <Arch-Raspberrypi> now im trying to get smb working.....and cant seem to...most anoying
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[4:26] <Decepshun> Arch-Raspberrypi: smb didn't work for me untill I unplugged the keyboard :P
[4:26] <GabrialDestruir> Has anyone tried Amazon plugin for XBMC yet?
[4:26] <Decepshun> my keyboard was using too much of the USB bus
[4:27] <Arch-Raspberrypi> Decepshun: really? hmmm....wonder why smb would be effected like that
[4:27] <Decepshun> SMB uses alot of overhead apparently
[4:27] <Decepshun> so..if something else is hogging the bus....smb gets the boot
[4:27] <GabrialDestruir> Too much power drain can cause the ethernet to slow down or even give out completely.
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[4:28] <Decepshun> so...NFS is supposed to be > SMB
[4:28] <Arch-Raspberrypi> ohh...ok well let me try that
[4:28] <Decepshun> less overheard
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> and by give out I mean not work.
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[4:28] <GabrialDestruir> as soon as it has enough power it's fine though
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[4:28] <Decepshun> if you can ssh into the rpi, you don't need the keayboard
[4:28] <Arch-Raspberrypi> Decepshun: really....hmmm....ok....yeah i can and have been....took me like 30 mins to get this up and running
[4:29] <GabrialDestruir> Is there a keyboard emulation thing that you could use via ssh to control the pi as if it had a normal keyboard mouse?
[4:29] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[4:29] <Decepshun> ssh only controls the rpi at the commandline level
[4:29] <Decepshun> you need something like VNC
[4:30] <Arch-Raspberrypi> you dont even need that
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[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> Dratz... apparently amazon videos have quite a bit of lag
[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> -sighs-
[4:31] <birdontophat> synergy is good for doing keyboard stuff over the network
[4:31] <GabrialDestruir> Ah there it goes! Yay ^_^
[4:31] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, but it only works as far as i can find
[4:31] <GabrialDestruir> in some sort of x-window thing
[4:32] <birdontophat> oh yeah, it doesn't work with the TTY only
[4:32] <DaQatz> !channel
[4:32] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspbian #rpi-gentoo #raspberrypi-owners
[4:32] <crenn> !w
[4:32] <PiBot> crenn: in Cuzco, Cusco. Temp 48??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 58%, Later 63??F - 36??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[4:33] <amelia_> !w
[4:33] <PiBot> amelia_: in Cuzco, Cusco. Temp 48??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 58%, Later 63??F - 36??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[4:33] <crenn> !w set Melbourne
[4:33] <PiBot> crenn: in Melbourne, VIC on Mon Jun 11 17:03:00 2012. Temp 52??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 82%.
[4:33] <crenn> !w set celius
[4:33] <PiBot> Not found.
[4:33] <crenn> !w set c
[4:33] <PiBot> Not found.
[4:33] <crenn> !w help
[4:33] <PiBot> Not found.
[4:33] <DaQatz> It's!weather_set
[4:33] <crenn> !weather_set celius
[4:33] <crenn> !w
[4:33] <DaQatz> Just c
[4:33] <PiBot> crenn: in Cuzco, Cusco. Temp 48??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 58%, Later 63??F - 36??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[4:33] <crenn> !weather_set c
[4:33] <PiBot> crenn: You're now using celsius.
[4:33] <crenn> DaQatz: Thanks
[4:33] <crenn> !w
[4:33] <PiBot> crenn: in Cuzco, Cusco. Temp 9??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 58%, Later 17??C - 2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[4:34] <Decepshun> !w
[4:34] <PiBot> Decepshun: in Cuzco, Cusco. Temp 9??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 58%, Later 17??C - 2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[4:34] <Decepshun> I am not in Cuzco :P
[4:34] <crenn> !weather_set Melbourne
[4:34] <crenn> !w
[4:34] <PiBot> crenn: in Cuzco, Cusco. Temp 9??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 58%, Later 17??C - 2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[4:34] <DaQatz> !weather_set loc 03901
[4:34] <PiBot> DaQatz: Your location has been set to 03901.
[4:34] <crenn> !weather_set loc Melbourne
[4:34] <PiBot> crenn: Your location has been set to Melbourne.
[4:34] <crenn> !w
[4:34] <PiBot> crenn: in Melbourne, VIC on Mon Jun 11 17:03:00 2012. Temp 11??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 82%.
[4:34] <neofutur> /dev/mmcblk0: Timing buffered disk reads: 44 MB in 3.05 seconds = 14.42 MB/sec
[4:34] <DaQatz> 14?
[4:34] <amelia_> !w
[4:34] <crenn> neofutur: Ooooo
[4:34] <PiBot> amelia_: in Cuzco, Cusco. Temp 9??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 58%, Later 17??C - 2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[4:35] <neofutur> the new kernel + init_emmc_clock=50000000
[4:35] <neofutur> seems great
[4:35] <crenn> How did you get it that fast?
[4:35] <amelia_> hm, so PiBot stores weather preferences based on nick?
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[4:35] <neofutur> just installed
[4:35] <DaQatz> neofutur: Who's kernel?
[4:35] <DaQatz> whos*
[4:35] <Arch-Raspberrypi> whats the nfs package called ?
[4:35] <crenn> nfs?
[4:35] <neofutur> (03:47) <+ zgreg> http://greg.kinoho.net/kernel-20120611.img.xz
[4:35] <DaQatz> amelia_: Yes
[4:36] <neofutur> ReggieUK: I could make fbset work too : http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t56-Raspberry-framebuffer-adaptor.html
[4:38] <GabrialDestruir> Yay Amazon Videos works, now the only thing you can't do on the Pi yet is Netflix, but i don't have an account to test that xD
[4:38] <neofutur> zgreg: thnks for this mew kernel, seems great ;)
[4:40] <ReggieUK> if you want to create a file that's missing like that, you can just use touch
[4:40] <ReggieUK> like:
[4:40] <ReggieUK> touch /etc/fb.modes
[4:40] <ReggieUK> will create an empty file
[4:40] <zgreg> the sources for the kernel are at https://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux/tree/sdhci-perf
[4:41] <Arch-Raspberrypi> Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. ... (warning). <-- sad panda
[4:41] <ReggieUK> zgreg, page 103/104 of the layer spec. gives the other tran_speed bit settings for uhs modes
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[4:41] <neofutur> 14.42 MB/sec on /dev/mmcblk0 , 13.31 MB/sec on /dev/mmcblk0p1 , 14.69 MB/sec on /dev/mmcblk0p2 ( this one is a swap partition
[4:41] <neofutur> its always faster on the swap partition
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[4:42] <DaQatz> I'm actually working primarily on a USB hard disk.
[4:42] <DaQatz> I only use SD for boot
[4:42] <neofutur> zgreg: i think you can send a pull request ;)
[4:43] <ReggieUK> neofutur, I don't think he needs to
[4:43] <ReggieUK> I believe they're already looking at the previous patches
[4:43] <zgreg> needs some cleanup, then I'll do it
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[4:43] <zgreg> I'll rebase and split up everything in a new branch
[4:43] <Arch-Raspberrypi> who has nfs working on there Pi? and what distro are you using?
[4:44] <neofutur> Arch-Raspberrypi: try using FUSE/sshfs its great
[4:44] <zgreg> Arch-Raspberrypi: can't give you an answer to that, but you should compile your own kernel to get nfs support
[4:44] * neofutur stopped using nfs since he discovered sshfs
[4:44] <Arch-Raspberrypi> ok
[4:44] <zgreg> neofutur: no, it's slow (on the pi, at least) :)
[4:45] <zgreg> nfs definitely makes sense, it usually offers the best performance
[4:45] <neofutur> ok
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[4:49] <neofutur> are those the best settings for overclocking :
[4:49] <neofutur> over_voltage=6 arm_freq=1000 core_freq=500 sdram_freq=500
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[4:50] <ReggieUK> no idea
[4:50] <ReggieUK> but overvolting will void your warranty
[4:51] <neofutur> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Tested_values
[4:52] <neofutur> I ll try 930 with no evervoltage
[4:53] <cehteh> mine works with 950Mhz without overvolting
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[4:54] <neofutur> cehteh: add it on http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Tested_values ?
[4:55] <cehteh> thats very induvidual to your board
[4:55] <neofutur> shoudnt all the pi be the same ?
[4:55] <cehteh> nope
[4:55] <neofutur> BogoMIPS : 927.33
[4:55] <cehteh> we are here at microscopic scale
[4:55] <neofutur> seems to work well ;)
[4:56] <cehteh> and mind you . .read the wikipedia article about electronmigration
[4:56] <cehteh> even if it works it will shorten the lifetime
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[4:56] <cehteh> with overvolting exponentially
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[4:57] <cehteh> the core/gpu is told to not overclock as easily as the arm btw
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[4:57] <neofutur> it even made the write on sd a little bit faster
[4:57] <neofutur> /dev/mmcblk0p2 14.95 MB/sec /dev/mmcblk0p1 13.36 MB/sec /dev/mmcblk0 14.62 MB/sec
[4:57] <neofutur> /dev/mmcblk0p2 14.95 MB/sec /dev/mmcblk0p1 13.36 MB/sec /dev/mmcblk0 14.62 MB/sec
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[4:57] <neofutur> oups
[4:58] <cehteh> i am building zgreg's new kernel that should do the optimmum from the SD without overclocking the SD card
[4:58] <cehteh> currently i have mine overclocked and it gives 25MB/sec:P
[4:59] <cehteh> maybe with zgreg's patches and some slight overclocking i get even more :)))
[4:59] <cehteh> and zram ftw
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[5:00] <neofutur> the difference after overclocking was very slight
[5:00] <cehteh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration
[5:00] <neofutur> (05:35) <+ neofutur> 14.42 MB/sec on /dev/mmcblk0 , 13.31 MB/sec on /dev/mmcblk0p1 , 14.69 MB/sec on /dev/mmcblk0p2 ( this one is a swap partition
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[5:00] <neofutur> before overclocking
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[5:00] <neofutur> (05:51) <+ neofutur> /dev/mmcblk0p2 14.95 MB/sec /dev/mmcblk0p1 13.36 MB/sec /dev/mmcblk0 14.62 MB/sec
[5:00] <neofutur> after
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[5:01] <Arch-Raspberrypi> anyone running sshfs on windows get it to work?
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[5:05] <cehteh> uhm .. i dont use windows .. but either part mounting/fuse on the windows side is different to linux if even possible and sshd's on windows also suck
[5:05] <cehteh> what do you want to do .. mount the rpi on windows or mount a windows drive in the rpi
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[5:06] <cehteh> prolly you are better off with cifs/samba
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[5:09] <neofutur> yup if its for windows . . .sanba could be the easy way
[5:10] <Arch-Raspberrypi> yeah well i cant get samba to work which is why i thought id try the sshfs method
[5:10] <cehteh> thats for sure not simpler
[5:10] <Arch-Raspberrypi> i could easily just use winscp but this will keep me busy
[5:11] <cehteh> even a webdav server will be easier .. but sux
[5:11] <Arch-Raspberrypi> cehteh: well as of right now samba isnt working
[5:11] <cehteh> then make it work
[5:12] <Arch-Raspberrypi> lol
[5:12] <cehteh> there is also a rsync for windows ..
[5:12] <Arch-Raspberrypi> im trying
[5:12] <cehteh> dunno what you try to do
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[5:13] <Arch-Raspberrypi> cehteh: just trying to get samba working....i havent ever had much luck with it
[5:13] <cehteh> i dont use it since about 10 years :P
[5:14] <Arch-Raspberrypi> heh what do you use ?
[5:14] <cehteh> for what?
[5:14] <cehteh> i dont have windows
[5:14] <cehteh> to transfer files, rsync, git, sshfs, webserver .. in that order
[5:15] <cehteh> but i am not aware of sshfs on windows and i expect it painful at best prolly not working at all
[5:15] <Arch-Raspberrypi> ahhhh i just got it to work...hurray
[5:15] <cehteh> do you really need to mount something?
[5:15] <neofutur> now i will load my pi to see how stable it is
[5:15] <Arch-Raspberrypi> nah
[5:15] <neofutur> emerge -e world
[5:16] <cehteh> lol
[5:16] <cehteh> as if building a kernel isnt enough
[5:16] <Arch-Raspberrypi> im just waisting time before i goto work
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[5:26] <neofutur> zgreg: after instaling your new kernel i have module errors :
[5:26] <neofutur> FATAL: Error inserting zram (/lib/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/drivers/staging/zram/zram.ko): Invalid module format
[5:26] <neofutur> what should I do to fix it ?
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[5:29] <crenn> Arch-Raspberrypi: What did you have to do to make it work?
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[5:30] <Arch-Raspberrypi> crenn: what are you using?
[5:31] <trevorman> neofutur: you didn't recompile zram
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[5:31] <neofutur> yup i feared i had to rebuild it myself
[5:31] <Arch-Raspberrypi> crenn: http://code.google.com/p/win-sshfs/ im using this
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[5:32] <Arch-Raspberrypi> crenn: and i forgot to hit the save button
[5:32] <neofutur> zgreg: will your changes be soon in rpi-update ?
[5:33] <neofutur> trevorman: mean i have to install all https://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux/tree/sdhci-perf
[5:33] <neofutur> and make modules ?
[5:33] <trevorman> you need to rebuild your modules yes
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[5:33] <neofutur> I hope i have enough diskspace ;(
[5:34] <trevorman> you get that error if you're trying to load a module for a different version kernel
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[5:34] <ReggieUK> zgregs kernel is raspbian
[5:34] <neofutur> zgreg: since you provide the binary kernel.img . . . could you provide the modules too :p ?
[5:34] <ReggieUK> which is hard float isn't it?
[5:34] <ReggieUK> g'night all
[5:35] <neofutur> ( at least the binary image works well here eith gentoo )
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[5:35] <neofutur> 01:40:49 up 40 min, 3 users, load average: 2.08, 2.05, 1.51
[5:35] * neofutur loading the pi
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[5:42] <rasp7aa> neofutur: 04:40:25 up 2 days, 9:43, 3 users, load average: 0.12, 0.04, 0.05
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[5:47] <neofutur> now load average: 2.78, 2.34, 1.94
[5:48] <neofutur> I want to see how stable it i with the overclocking ;)
[5:48] <neofutur> before overcloaking i had days of uptime ( but with no load )
[5:51] <Aterlatus> Right, anyone got any tips on how I merge this patched git repository with the main rpi one locally?
[5:51] <cehteh> which one, zgreg's?
[5:51] <Aterlatus> Aye
[5:52] <Aterlatus> Got the rpi one cloned to /usr/src/linux - just no idea how I apply his patches now. I've always used patch files in the past. :(
[5:52] <cehteh> you can just reset on it or base your own branch on it
[5:52] <Aterlatus> I'll have to learn git one day, but sods law says when I do it'll move on again like it did with cvs. lol
[5:53] <cehteh> git remote add zgreg git://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux.git
[5:53] <cehteh> git remote update
[5:53] <cehteh> git checkout -b Aterlatus zgreg/sdhci-perf
[5:53] <cehteh> done
[5:54] <Aterlatus> Thanks Centeh, you're a star. :)
[5:54] <cehteh> hint: install and configure ccache .. and modify the Makefile to use ccahe
[5:55] <Aterlatus> I'm gonna cross-compile on my desktop, so shouldn't take long.
[5:55] <cehteh> -HOSTCC = gcc
[5:55] <cehteh> -HOSTCXX = g++
[5:55] <cehteh> +HOSTCC = ccache gcc
[5:55] <cehteh> +HOSTCXX = ccache g++
[5:55] <cehteh> -CC = $(CROSS_COMPILE)gcc
[5:55] <cehteh> +CC = ccache $(CROSS_COMPILE)gcc
[5:55] <cehteh> recompiles will become faster
[5:56] <cehteh> well i am going to bed .. another day you can tell me how to cross compile :P (on debian, no crosscompiler, scratchbox? ...)
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[5:56] <cehteh> i just start kernel compiles on the rpi and go to sleep next day the kernel is there :)
[5:56] <Aterlatus> Gentoo in a virtualbox on a windows desktop. ;)
[5:56] <Aterlatus> If I can figure it out....
[5:56] <cehteh> hah ok
[5:56] <Aterlatus> Take care centeh, thanks for the help. :)
[5:56] <cehteh> n8
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[6:05] <Aterlatus> Right, compiling my crossdev toolchain. This could take a while. :S
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[6:20] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone notice buffering issues when playing a 1080p movie from a USB Flash Drive?
[6:21] <Ademan> So I've been following the pi for a long time, but I just watched Eben's demonstration at Maker Faire and I'm excited again, but how is the wait and price for a US buyer at this point?
[6:21] <Ademan> assuming getting it direct rather than ebay
[6:22] <Aterlatus> And the toolchain's done. Next comes the kernel. :S
[6:23] <Aterlatus> The wait I can't comment on (I was on the queue since release day), but both the companies selling them are international - no doubt it'd take a little more than a week to arrive after being shipped.
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[6:25] <Aterlatus> Still worth watching ebay though I'd think - there'll be plenty of people have got one but have no idea how to use it with it being pitched at developers atm. They'll be looking to get rid...
[6:25] <GabrialDestruir> Last I heard, that wait is quite a few months
[6:25] <GabrialDestruir> but the price point is about 40ish dollars
[6:26] <rasp7aa> GabrialDestruir: what bitrate?
[6:26] <GabrialDestruir> Uhm no clue.
[6:26] <rasp7aa> find out
[6:27] <neofutur> load average: 3.04, 2.63, 2.26
[6:27] <neofutur> loading the pi !
[6:27] <rasp7aa> neofutur: loading the pi?
[6:27] <neofutur> load average
[6:27] <GabrialDestruir> Yea I'm trying to now.
[6:27] <neofutur> hoping it will stay stable
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[6:28] <rasp7aa> why isn't it stable?
[6:28] <neofutur> overclocked at init_emmc_clock=50000000 arm_freq=930 gpu_freq=350 sdram_freq=500
[6:28] <neofutur> its been stable before overclocking and with no load
[6:28] <rasp7aa> 930? you be crazy
[6:28] <sabayonuser_> I think my pi will be at my house soon, I wonder what os to install. Does anyone know which ones are looking the best on the pi? (with a gui)
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[6:29] <Aterlatus> And the kernel's off. Let's see how long it takes on a crosscompile. :)
[6:29] <neofutur> no i want to see how it will be with big load and averclocking ;)
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[6:29] <neofutur> rasp7aa: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Tested_values
[6:29] <cougarten> hi. how to become su in debian / which password to use?
[6:29] <neofutur> this one is reasonnable and with no overvoltage
[6:29] <Aterlatus> I tried the same overclock the other day and paniced during boot. lol
[6:30] <neofutur> the last line could be little crazy ;)
[6:30] <Aterlatus> cougarten: sudo passwd
[6:30] <neofutur> and I already registered interest for a second one ;)
[6:30] <urata> should I just use debian? is there a place where people are working together figuring out how to get it configured?
[6:30] <Aterlatus> I've got a code for a second one - still debating whether to get it and be greedy or let them be shared out further. lol
[6:30] <rasp7aa> urata: raspbian, just type startx after you login. Althought you might want to scrap lxde for xfce
[6:31] <urata> I prefer xfce, yeah
[6:31] <cougarten> Aterlatus, yay, ty
[6:31] <Aterlatus> np
[6:31] <rasp7aa> lxde sucks imo
[6:31] <Aterlatus> Of course you still shouldn't use root... you should just 'sudo' anything you want to do as root. :P
[6:31] <rasp7aa> urata: you can download a pre-configured img from raspbian.org
[6:32] <urata> thanks rasp7aa.
[6:32] <rasp7aa> you just dd it to your sd card, plug it into your pi and BAM, the dirt is gone
[6:32] <GabrialDestruir> 4514Kb/s
[6:32] <GabrialDestruir> or something
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[6:34] <urata> I keep wondering if there will be any problem with using an adapted micro SD card. I wouldn't think it would make a difference though.
[6:35] <Aterlatus> I've been doing that - no obvious problems yet.
[6:35] <Aterlatus> And it was a cheap class 4 off ebay to boot.
[6:35] <cougarten> anyone fit in lcd4linux? I'm trying to build a terminal with it (but my Fifo script doesn't work quite yet)
[6:35] <rasp7aa> urata: No problem, it may be slower
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[6:37] <urata> I can't wait to get my Pi, it's timed so perfectly with the end of my school year :)
[6:38] <Aterlatus> Oddly enough, so was mine. Got the dispatch email the week of my final exam.
[6:39] <urata> my exams are tomorrow and the next day.
[6:39] <GabrialDestruir> rasp7aa: 4514kbps
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[6:41] <rasp7aa> GabrialDestruir: my advice is to give up
[6:41] <GabrialDestruir> Too much for the Pi then?
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[6:45] <neofutur> urata: i wish you to receive it soon !
[6:46] * neofutur is ain love with his pi ;)
[6:46] <urata> hehehe
[6:46] <Aterlatus> I wouldn't go that far - there's things the wife can do that open source will never live up to.
[6:46] <neofutur> urata: beware you will let down everything else when you get it ;(
[6:46] <Aterlatus> The way she cleans the dishes just can't be beat.
[6:46] <urata> that's fine
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[6:46] <neofutur> Aterlatus: my wife wants to divorce after 3 yers married
[6:47] <neofutur> so . . .
[6:47] <Aterlatus> I've an overwhelming urge to link the "The internet's for porn" video...
[6:47] <neofutur> I make my pi a bet computer to always stay near ssh nd irc
[6:47] <neofutur> text only, no X
[6:47] <Aterlatus> ;)
[6:47] <urata> hmm
[6:48] <neofutur> *bed* computer
[6:48] <urata> what do you use for that? I've never installed linux without X
[6:48] <neofutur> http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f15-Gentoo-Linux.html
[6:48] <urata> so you sleep with your Pi? hah
[6:48] <Aterlatus> At least it won't snore.
[6:48] <neofutur> the first text only image
[6:48] <hotwings> urata - ive always installed linux without x :)
[6:48] <neofutur> yup i began sleeping with my pi last night
[6:48] <Aterlatus> I don't often sleep, but when I do, I leave a kernel compiling...
[6:48] <urata> oh cool. I am using a version of gentoo right now
[6:49] <urata> Sabayon9
[6:49] <neofutur> got it on the TV, i can switch from tv to dvd to Pi ;)
[6:49] <Fatal_eXception0> should hdmi work on archlinux image, first boot?
[6:49] <Fatal_eXception0> cause mine isn't :/
[6:49] <neofutur> should work but i use rca adaptor
[6:49] <Aterlatus> I had an issue with arch where the overscan was all wrong - edge of the screen cut off.
[6:49] <Aterlatus> But otherwise worked.
[6:49] <neofutur> had a hrd time getting fbset to work ( http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/viewtopic.php?id=56&action=new )
[6:49] <Fatal_eXception0> i don't have a convenient rca receiver
[6:50] <neofutur> Fatal_eXception0: any tv have the rca
[6:50] <neofutur> its like a dvd player
[6:50] <neofutur> you just ned the cables
[6:50] <Fatal_eXception0> yeah, I don't really want to move everything to the tv
[6:50] <urata> yeah I am going to be using rca mostly for a while
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[6:50] <neofutur> Fatal_eXception0: i m waiting to receive : http://www.dealextreme.com/p/pl8006-portable-8-color-lcd-monitor-tv-w-ypbpr-vga-input-47-870mhz-55245
[6:50] <neofutur> to not have it on the tv
[6:51] <neofutur> and for a small disply in the bed on ewhile travelling ;)
[6:51] <Fatal_eXception0> hehe
[6:51] <Fatal_eXception0> a pi laptop
[6:51] <Aterlatus> Need to find a cheap small screen myself. Want to use my pi with the telescope I've got for the missus for her birthday.
[6:52] <neofutur> hdmi ones are more expensive
[6:52] <Aterlatus> Run it all off a car jumpstart pack - normally got a 10Ah or so battery in there.
[6:52] <Aterlatus> DVI will do though, with a converter.
[6:52] <neofutur> the link above is the best cheap one i found
[6:52] <Aterlatus> The HDMI and DVI signals are identical.
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[6:52] <neofutur> i gathered some links I found on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f5-Screen%2C-display%2C-monitors.html
[6:52] <urata> that's interesting, good to know, I need to get an adapter then
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[6:52] <neofutur> i you find good deals, query me i l add them ;)
[6:53] <urata> I have several DVI/VGA monitors, but only one TV with HDMI in my living room
[6:53] <neofutur> better than nothing
[6:53] <neofutur> I have no hdmi displays ;(
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[6:55] <Aterlatus> Come on kernel.... don't want to sleep until I see if this works. lol
[6:59] <neofutur> load average: 2.98, 2.89, 2.94
[6:59] <neofutur> seems rock solid !
[6:59] <Aterlatus> 9/9/8 on my six core doing this compile... lol
[6:59] <neofutur> thats on the pi ;)
[7:00] <neofutur> emerge -e world + a big git clone at the same time
[7:00] <Aterlatus> Certainly does seem to be holding the overclock well.
[7:00] <neofutur> yup
[7:00] <Aterlatus> Might have to give mine another clock once I've got gentoo on there. ;)
[7:00] <neofutur> + zram
[7:00] <neofutur> but right noew i dont have ir, have to rebuild modules with the new kernel
[7:01] <Aterlatus> I'm going to run the start.elf with the lower GPU RAM - not planning on doing much graphically with it so won't hurt to have some extra system ram.
[7:01] <rasp7aa> hmm, in the latest maker fair video eben says everyone at the fundation runs their pi overvolted
[7:01] <neofutur> ( reason for the big git clone git://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux.git )
[7:01] <neofutur> I use arm192_start.elf
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[7:02] <neofutur> as long as arm_freq=930 gpu_freq=350 sdram_freq=500
[7:02] <neofutur> is very stable
[7:02] <neofutur> i dont need to overvolt . . .
[7:02] <Aterlatus> As I said earlier, I ran that clock on raspbian the other day and it was crashing during boot.
[7:03] <Aterlatus> 900 arm_freq let it boot, but crashed as soon as I ran anything after logging in.
[7:03] <neofutur> varm_freq=930 gpu_freq=350 sdram_freq=500 very stable here for now ;)
[7:03] <neofutur> also perhaps you need a better adapter ?
[7:03] <rasp7aa> neofuter, you need to test it at long term full load aswell as idle
[7:04] <GabrialDestruir> I can't get gpu_freq to anything above default without it crashing.
[7:04] <Aterlatus> Could be - I'm running off the USB port on my TV atm.
[7:04] <Aterlatus> No idea what current it can source.
[7:05] <neofutur> got the one from RS
[7:05] <rasp7aa> Aterlatus: it should be spec usb
[7:05] <neofutur> rasp7aa: its planned for long term ;) emerge -e world should take at least 2 days ;)
[7:05] <neofutur> 2:11 hours for now
[7:05] <Aterlatus> Spec can be up to 1.7A though.
[7:06] <rasp7aa> Aterlatus: does your tv have vesa mounting holes?
[7:06] <Aterlatus> Not sure... not been behind it for some time now. :P
[7:06] <neofutur> yup , try to get a good adapter
[7:06] <neofutur> the one fron RS I use seem to have a good reputation
[7:07] <rasp7aa> Aterlatus: if it does, you might want to look into one of the cases with vesa compatiblity, then you'd be able to secure it behind
[7:07] <Aterlatus> I'm intending it to be portable in the long run - just plugged into the TV to set it up. Hoping one of these ( http://www.maplin.co.uk/portable-power-pack-225153 ) won't be limited to a 500mA USB socket because that's the long term plan.
[7:08] <Aterlatus> Given that it's stated as a "USB Charging" socket, it should be the full 1.7A. Guess I'll find out.
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[7:09] <rasp7aa> Aterlatus: possibly, but mA doesn't really matter that much for charging devices does it? It just takes long
[7:09] <rasp7aa> er
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[7:11] <Aterlatus> Now why on earth are the wireless drivers being compiled as modules in the default kernel config...
[7:12] <Aterlatus> Guess they've tried to keep it simple for people trying to use a USB wifi adapter. Keep forgetting most people aren't familiar with the kernel. lol
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[7:19] <neofutur> Aterlatus: i m also interested on good links for pozeracks and solr batteries
[7:19] <neofutur> posted some links on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t22-small-solar-panel-Raspberry.html
[7:20] <Aterlatus> It'd take quite a sizeable solar panel to run the pi directly, even in full sun. Make sure you've got a battery backup with charger in there too!
[7:20] <Arch1mede> Aterlatus: i would have thought it would be easier to compile in the usb wifi drivers as part of the kernel upgrade..that in my mind would have made is simple...plug and play is as easy as one can get for simple
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[7:21] * neofutur adding a Power Pack subforum
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[7:21] <neofutur> I seriously think on ordering 2 or 3 of those :
[7:21] <neofutur> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/4200mah-portable-dual-panel-solar-power-battery-pack-for-cell-phones-and-usb-gadgets-40210
[7:21] <rasp7aa> it's not allowed
[7:22] <neofutur> small enough, poewerful enough
[7:22] <neofutur> if you find better tell me ;)
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[7:23] <neofutur> load average: 3.30, 3.29, 3.07
[7:23] <neofutur> still stable !
[7:23] <Aterlatus> "- Solar powered charging time: 14~20 hours" So just where is the sun out for 20 hours..... lol
[7:23] <neofutur> thats why i ll order 2 or 3 of them
[7:23] <tpresence> north and south pole part of the year :D
[7:23] <Aterlatus> Smart arse. :P
[7:23] <tpresence> well north pole
[7:23] <neofutur> and while travelling i just need 2 or 3 hours of power a day
[7:24] <tpresence> south pole not so much :D
[7:24] <neofutur> and here the sun is hrd
[7:24] <neofutur> !weather
[7:24] <PiBot> neofutur: in Cuzco, Cusco. Temp 41??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 70%, Later 68??F - 36??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[7:24] <tpresence> anyone else have pi enclosures other than ada
[7:24] <neofutur> air is cold, but sun burns
[7:24] <Aterlatus> If PiBot isn't running on a Pi, someone's cheating...
[7:24] <tpresence> which sold out in less than 4 hours
[7:25] <neofutur> tpresence: see http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f23-Case.html
[7:25] <neofutur> all the links to cases i could find
[7:25] <tpresence> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/4200mah-portable-dual-panel-solar-power-battery-pack-for-cell-phones-and-usb-gadgets-40210
[7:25] <tpresence> ack
[7:25] <tpresence> stupid
[7:25] <tpresence> need to remove center mouse button
[7:25] <neofutur> tpresence: if you find better tell me
[7:25] <neofutur> before saying its stupid ;)
[7:25] <neofutur> why this solar pack would be stupid ?
[7:25] <tpresence> no
[7:25] <tpresence> the paste was stupid
[7:25] <tpresence> I meant to cut
[7:26] <tpresence> and I was middle buttoned
[7:26] <neofutur> ah ok
[7:26] <mjr> that solar pack might be stupid because it doesn't seem to have strict 5V output
[7:26] <neofutur> its probablynot perfect anyway, but i couldnt find better for now
[7:26] <neofutur> price/quality
[7:26] <neofutur> yes, will be 4.8 or 5.8
[7:26] <mjr> does 4.8 do for the pi?
[7:26] <neofutur> 4.8 should be ok
[7:26] <neofutur> at the limits
[7:27] <mjr> 5.8 sounds very high considering somebody said his didn't boot with 5.2V
[7:27] <neofutur> lso could i use it to power a usb hub powering the pi ?
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[7:29] <Aterlatus> Yay, I have a kernel.
[7:29] <Aterlatus> An hour to compile - beats the 6 hours it takes on the pi itself!
[7:30] <gurgalof> Aterlatus, hour? what kind of computer do you have?
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[7:32] <crenn> Arch-Raspberrypi: Samba
[7:32] <neofutur> git clone git://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux.git
[7:32] <neofutur> done
[7:32] <Aterlatus> AMD 6-core black edition, 3.2GHz iirc.
[7:32] <neofutur> make modules
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[7:33] <Aterlatus> Was a bit slower because it was being done over an NFS mount to the SD card though.
[7:33] <neofutur> at the same time as emerge -e world
[7:33] <neofutur> and still stable !
[7:33] <gurgalof> Aterlatus, i compiled the kernel in 5 minutes
[7:33] <Aterlatus> If I had a USB SD-card reader rather than having to mount it on the laptop, it'd be noticeably quicker!
[7:34] <neofutur> gurgalof: -j8 ?
[7:34] <gurgalof> neofutur, -j4 have only 2 cores with hyperthreading
[7:34] <neofutur> Aterlatus: same here, i have a sd card reader only in the old eepc 4G ;(
[7:35] <neofutur> 5 mins is fast eith only -j4 !
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[7:35] <Aterlatus> The -j option just decides how many things it compiles simultaneously - doesn't directly effect the compile time.
[7:37] <gurgalof> Aterlatus, if you have more than 1 core, then it does
[7:37] <neofutur> next step for load
[7:37] <neofutur> trying to mine bitcoins with my pi !
[7:38] <Arch1mede> neofutur: is what your doing with the over clocking only for gentoo?
[7:38] <neofutur> well if you have 8 fast cores and -j8 it will still be faster ;)
[7:38] <neofutur> Arch1mede: i dont understanf the question ?
[7:38] <neofutur> for now yes i m test the overclocking with emerge -e world + make modules
[7:39] <Arch1mede> neofutur: ahh ok
[7:39] <Aterlatus> Arch1mede: You can overclock for any distro - it's done through the config.txt. Check the wiki.
[7:40] <Arch1mede> Aterlatus: ahhhh ok thanks..i wasnt sure where to look for that
[7:40] <neofutur> init_emmc_clock=50000000 arm_freq=930 gpu_freq=350 sdram_freq=500
[7:40] <neofutur> in the /boot/config.txt here
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[7:40] <neofutur> Arch1mede: I gathered info and links on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t26-some-links-overclocking.html
[7:41] <neofutur> ( mouse over the spoiler text to see the infos )
[7:41] <neofutur> i made it a spoiler since it can be dangerous
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[7:42] <gurgalof> what does "init_emmc_clock=50000000" do?
[7:43] <gurgalof> i gues is has to do with the sd card
[7:43] <neofutur> the clock speed for the sd card
[7:43] <neofutur> try
[7:43] <Fatal_eXception0> so I found out the reason I can't see the hdmi output of archlinux is probably hdmi_mode=19
[7:43] <Fatal_eXception0> what does that mean, where can I look these up/
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[7:43] <neofutur> read http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t29-Abnormally-slow-card.html
[7:43] <neofutur> and try :
[7:44] <gurgalof> what is the default sd clock?
[7:44] <neofutur> hdparm -t /dev/mmcblk0
[7:44] <neofutur> i reached :
[7:44] <MauveGnome> i've got a keyboard that i wanted to use with my pi but it causes a kernel panic when i plug it in. is this the kind of this that could be fixed in a future firmware update?
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[7:44] <neofutur> (05:28) <+ neofutur> /dev/mmcblk0: Timing buffered disk reads: 44 MB in 3.05 seconds = 14.42 MB/sec
[7:44] <gurgalof> neofutur, nice
[7:44] <neofutur> with latest kernel
[7:45] <gurgalof> i'll try later
[7:45] <gurgalof> have a class 10 card but reach only 4MB/s on the pi
[7:45] <Arch1mede> man that adafruit case is kewl lookin
[7:45] <neofutur> cehteh: 24.16 MB/sec ? its a class 10 ?
[7:45] <gurgalof> and 18MB/s on my pc
[7:46] <mjr> gurgalof, just last night zgreg reported having butchered the SD driver and now getting decent SD speeds, so things seem good toward fixing that
[7:46] <gurgalof> mjr, thats very nice
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[7:47] <neofutur> http://greg.kinoho.net/kernel-20120611.img.xz
[7:47] <neofutur> sources of this kernel are on
[7:47] <neofutur> https://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux/tree/sdhci-perf
[7:47] <neofutur> to get better speed
[7:48] <neofutur> + the init_emmc_clock=50000000 setting
[7:48] <mjr> yeah, that one
[7:49] <mjr> I see neofutur was already talking about that but didn't bother to read context ;]
[7:49] <Aterlatus> Right, I think I've got an install.... now to see if it boots.
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[7:49] <Fatal_eXception0> umm do I want to update pacman from 1) systemd-tools 2) udev-oxnas ?
[7:50] <Fatal_eXception0> :: systemd-tools and udev are in conflict. Remove udev? [y/N]
[7:50] <Fatal_eXception0> wtf
[7:51] <Fatal_eXception0> it ships broken
[7:51] <neofutur> mjr: and it works great ;)
[7:51] <Aterlatus> Nope, just a big colourful square...
[7:52] <neofutur> I hope this zgreg build will be very fast in the default rpi-update
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[7:53] <Fatal_eXception0> anyone using archlinux?
[7:54] <Aterlatus> Fatal_eXception0: Update pacman directly rather than saying yes when you're trying to update something else...
[7:54] <Aterlatus> I think that's what I had to do when I was tinkering with it.
[7:54] <Fatal_eXception0> I tried to update, it said I need to update pacman first, so I did and that's where I got to
[7:55] <Arch1mede> archlinux is way to different for me so i stuck with debian squeeze
[7:55] <Fatal_eXception0> I was using that but couldn't get any wifi adapters working
[7:56] <Fatal_eXception0> despite the fact that they are supposed to work with a minimum of fuss
[7:56] <Aterlatus> Don't suppose there's anyone here that's built their own install from scratch is there? I'm guessing there's something wrong with my firmware to get this colourful square instead of booting like I was hoping... :P
[7:57] <neofutur> Arch1mede: try gentoo : http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f15-Gentoo-Linux.html
[7:57] <neofutur> support on #rpi-gentoo
[7:57] <neofutur> working great here ;)
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[8:01] <Aterlatus> Right, got my bootcode kernel loader and start.... not missing anything am I? :(
[8:01] <Arch1mede> neofutur: no thanks...gentoo is to much like slackware in the repect that you need to f with it all of the time..i just want to get the distro running and move onto the next project
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[8:02] <neofutur> Arch1mede: I dont agree, use it for dedicated servers and i dont loose time with it
[8:03] <neofutur> but yes its more conplicated if you need X
[8:03] <neofutur> i just hope to get the frame buffer working ewell enough to not need X
[8:04] * neofutur had a hard time getting the fbset working well on the pi
[8:04] <neofutur> http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t56-Raspberry-framebuffer-adaptor.html
[8:05] <Aterlatus> Well, it booted with the firmware from a raspbian card, guess I messed something up in there.
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[8:12] <Aciid> when are the next batches scheluded for manufacturing
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[8:17] <neofutur> they already are afaik
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[8:18] <neofutur> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=7708
[8:18] <neofutur> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/2181896/raspberry-pi-kirby-cushion-factory-answer-uk-tech-sector-boost
[8:18] <neofutur> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/05/16/75000_pis_by_august/
[8:19] <neofutur> But RS Components is taking steps to make the Pi more available to its intended audience and to the 300,000 buyers who are still waiting for their byte of a Pi.
[8:20] <Aciid> wow :\ isn't it possible to get some larger manufacturer with the project? or is it more like keeping the project with do-no-evil 3rd partys?
[8:21] <neofutur> no idea
[8:21] <neofutur> imho its just logistics stuff
[8:21] <Aterlatus> You don't get much bigger than RS...
[8:21] <Aciid> damn , well thanks for the answers tho =)
[8:22] <Aterlatus> http://www.electrocomponents.com/ Worldwide company with a turnover that'd make your eyes water...
[8:23] <neofutur> Edward said the company ???won't make money, but might get famous.??? He also said that the advent of the Pi has dented sales of other single board computers.
[8:23] <neofutur> ???Pi sales have overtaken Arduino in an instant,??? he said, attributing the surge of interest to the Pi's small price and the wealth of developer tools it offers. ??
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[8:26] <Aterlatus> OK this is taking the Michael now.... just pulled down a git clone of the firmware and copied it fresh over to this SD and it's still complaining when I try to boot from it.
[8:26] <Arch1mede> i thought they decided to only make them as needed?
[8:27] <Aterlatus> But use the firmware from debian and it bursts to life. :(
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[8:27] <mjr> Arch1mede, yeah, and a duckload is needed
[8:28] <neofutur> http://www.southgatearc.org/news/june2012/raspberry_pi_the_road_to_compliance.htm
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[8:28] <Arch1mede> mjr: i just got mine friday..but i ordered it in like may
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[8:30] <neofutur> http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs/electronics-legislation/2012/05/raspberry-pi---the-road-to-com.html
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[8:37] * neofutur looking for modertors for http://r.pi.gw.gd/
[8:39] <Aterlatus> Ahhh balls. There's something wrong with my kernel. :(
[8:39] <Aterlatus> Guess I'm gonna have to recompile it on the pi itself.
[8:39] * Mavy-bnc is now known as Mavy
[8:39] * neofutur wants a high quality forum with 100% useful content
[8:39] <neofutur> where you can edit and refine your posts, edit the OP . . .
[8:40] * neofutur need pityless moderators
[8:40] <the_cuckoo> you're describing wikipedia?
[8:40] <Simon-> 06:43:46 <+gurgalof> have a class 10 card but reach only 4MB/s on the pi
[8:40] <Simon-> that's odd
[8:40] <neofutur> well my forum softwre have more fetures than mediawiki :p
[8:41] <Simon-> because I can do this in PIO mode: Timing buffered disk reads: 17 MB in 3.01 seconds = 5781 kB/s
[8:41] <neofutur> https://github.com/neofutur/MyBestBB/
[8:41] <the_cuckoo> neofutur: :)
[8:42] <neofutur> Simon-: read http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t29-Abnormally-slow-card.html
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[8:42] <rasp7aa> neofutur: your forum isn't high quality, far from it infact
[8:42] <Simon-> neofutur: that setting is irrelevant to Linux
[8:42] <neofutur> the_cuckoo: its a fork of punbb 1.2 , with 20 fetures added
[8:43] <neofutur> Simon-: ???
[8:43] <Aterlatus> Oh heya rasp - guess the other Brits are waking up. :P
[8:43] <Simon-> also in the last comment, USB and SD don't use the same DMA engine
[8:43] <the_cuckoo> neofutur: sounds like fun - hosting it anywhere?
[8:43] <neofutur> (05:28) <+ neofutur> /dev/mmcblk0: Timing buffered disk reads: 44 MB in 3.05 seconds = 14.42 MB/sec
[8:43] <Simon-> although USB could easily cause problems given what it's doing
[8:43] <neofutur> Simon-: i went from 4 MB/s to 14 MB/s
[8:43] <neofutur> read the post before telling its irrelevant
[8:43] <Simon-> yes, probably because of the huge udelay in the sd dma code
[8:43] <rasp7aa> hi
[8:44] <neofutur> rasp7aa: help me ake it betteree
[8:44] <rasp7aa> neofutur: no
[8:44] <Arch1mede> lol
[8:44] <neofutur> or tell me whts the preoblem
[8:44] <Simon-> given that the delay required could theoretically be 2??s not 30??s or 100??s there's still scope for improvement at high clock speeds
[8:44] <Simon-> bbl
[8:44] <neofutur> if its a theme problem i dont care
[8:44] <neofutur> registered users can change the theme
[8:44] <rasp7aa> it's ugly, with about 2 registered users.
[8:45] <neofutur> eh its been lauched 5 days ago
[8:45] <neofutur> and already have 400 google bot hits and 30 unique visitors a day ;)
[8:45] <rasp7aa> we don't need the community splitting this early
[8:45] <neofutur> if you dont like the black backround theme register and choose another theme there are 20
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[8:46] <Arch1mede> rasp7aa: well he does have some nice links that i didnt know about
[8:46] <neofutur> rasp7aa: the officil forum can t be used
[8:46] <Aterlatus> Someone should've told RS and farnell that rasp. lol
[8:46] <neofutur> its the owrst forum I ever seen
[8:46] <hotwings> you could always buy unique hits and puff up your site stats
[8:46] <rasp7aa> frankly you're refusal to visit the official forums seems immature
[8:46] <rasp7aa> *your
[8:46] <neofutur> i cant edit my posts
[8:46] <neofutur> they dont verify email
[8:46] <rasp7aa> so what?
[8:47] <neofutur> you need to red 300 posts to find 3 line of useful information
[8:47] <neofutur> read
[8:47] <Ben64> thats how forums work
[8:47] <hotwings> verifying email is next to worthless
[8:47] <neofutur> so its not a good forum
[8:47] <neofutur> hotwings: i an easily spam you using the official forum
[8:47] <rasp7aa> forums only verify emails so they can sell them for more to spammers
[8:47] <neofutur> register your email and subscrive to 4000 posts
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[8:48] <hotwings> i have a trash email address i use for registering at forums, or anywhere else for that matter
[8:48] <neofutur> pre modertion is just a bad idea
[8:48] <Arch1mede> neofutur: its troll prevention
[8:48] <rasp7aa> neofutur: Pre-moderation is only for new users
[8:49] <neofutur> + the official forum is awful on a small device
[8:49] <steveccc> when installing the pi with the standard debian build, how can I get the / partition to have a little extra space so that I dont feel uncomfortable installing new packages
[8:49] <neofutur> troll prevention is not pre modertion, its recruiting real moderators
[8:49] <rasp7aa> steveccc: gparted
[8:49] <steveccc> rasp7aa: will that also grow the underlying filesystem?
[8:49] <Arch1mede> steveccc: there is actually a really nice article on the forums on step by step what you need to do but in short you need to use gparted to resize
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[8:50] <Arch1mede> steveccc: yes
[8:50] <Arch1mede> i did this last night
[8:50] <Arch1mede> it just takes time
[8:50] <rasp7aa> steveccc: yes, gparted is a partition editor
[8:50] <Aterlatus> steveccc: fdisk it, then resize2fs
[8:50] * gordonDrogon yawns
[8:50] <Aterlatus> I had trouble using gparted because it didn't want to tinker with an online partition.
[8:50] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: more cakes today?
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> no!
[8:50] <rasp7aa> Aterlatus: live cd?
[8:50] <neofutur> rasp7aa: and if your only problem is "its ugly" i dont care if you dont like the default theme
[8:50] <steveccc> arch1mede: thanks - is th
[8:51] <steveccc> sorry hit enter too early
[8:51] <neofutur> the look, the theme, is not the useful prt of the forum
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> you don't need gparted to resize the Pi...
[8:51] <Aterlatus> Fine doing it with a livecd. I just figured out how to do it from the pi fine and dandy though. :P
[8:51] <Ben64> you shouldn't be trying to resize a mounted partition anyway
[8:51] <neofutur> just select another theme
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> resizeing a live partition is fine.
[8:51] <rasp7aa> neofutur: Frankly, you don't seem very professional
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[8:51] <neofutur> rasp7aa: you have no arguments
[8:51] <steveccc> arch1mede: is there any reason to leave a large partition unused / formatted and mounted - traditionally I would do this so that on rebuilding I can keep the data partition untouched but as the installer wipes the whole card then is there any point?
[8:51] <neofutur> just "i dont like the theme" is irrelevant
[8:51] <rasp7aa> neofutur: Bottom line, I don't trust you as a forum admin
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[8:52] <neofutur> trust my 10 yer old gpg wot :p
[8:52] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: you're insane
[8:52] <neofutur> http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/stats/690B4E07.html
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, huh? tired, yes...
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[8:52] <hotwings> why would trust have anything to do with a forum?
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[8:52] <neofutur> good question
[8:53] <neofutur> if you find useful informtion its enough
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> I am hungry and it's breakfast time.
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> laters.
[8:53] <steveccc> gordondrogon: laters
[8:53] <rasp7aa> hotwings: He has control over all the content. Who's to say he won't delete every post in a certain topic
[8:54] <neofutur> my 10 yer old gpg wot ;)
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[8:54] <neofutur> you can vuild a trust path to any foss developper easily
[8:54] <Ben64> Too bad I cannot trust someone who can't spell properly..
[8:55] <hotwings> who cares.. if a forum is useful, its useful. if not, its not. placing value on how much you _think_ you can trust the admin(s) and/or moderator(s) is like caring which way the wind blows
[8:55] <Aterlatus> I'll bet you read that three times before hitting enter to make sure there was no typos Ben. :P
[8:55] <Ben64> Well you can't have mistakes while being a grammar Nazi.
[8:55] <neofutur> Ben64: sorry bad keyboard and i m a little bit nerve by these attacks
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[8:56] <steveccc> anyone is there any point in keeping a separate data partition on the sd card instead of just merging the empty space with / - when the card is reinstalled then everything will be wiped and hence I cant see a point bar data can fill the filesystem without bringing down the box
[8:56] <hotwings> the only concern i have with forums is a search feature, the accuracy & usefulness of the posts, and minimal cussing/religion/racism... preferrably none but thats unreasonable so just minimal
[8:57] <neofutur> rasp7aa: show me your gpg key and your web of trust in the FOSS worls :p
[8:57] <neofutur> word
[8:57] <neofutur> world
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[8:57] <oldman> Where do I get the Raspbmc image from?. The installer on the download site does not work.
[8:57] <Arch1mede> steveccc: personally i dont see the need to have small partitions
[8:57] <rasp7aa> oldman: Try the forums
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[8:58] <sraue> oldman, or OpenELEC :-)
[8:58] <steveccc> arch1mede: nor me - on a desktop I do so that I can rebuild and simply remount the /data partition afterward. However on the pi I think just lump it into one filesystem then there is no wasted space
[8:58] <oldman> Irasptaa: I have tried they just point to the download site.
[8:58] <Arch1mede> steveccc: im sure it was made to support 2gig sd cards and not the larger ones
[8:58] <hotwings> oldman - http://download.raspbmc.com/downloads/bin/ramdistribution/installer-testing.img.gz
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[8:59] <steveccc> oh i see. Has anyone tried a 64gb one?
[8:59] <rasp7aa> steveccc: having the boot partition as fat32 is useful
[8:59] <Ben64> Why does anyone really need another forum for raspberry pi anyway
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[8:59] <steveccc> rasp7aa: why is that?
[9:00] <rasp7aa> steveccc: so windows users can edit their config.txt etc if they mess up
[9:00] <Aterlatus> Easy way to transfer files from windows to pi too. Gotta remember that most pi users aren't going to be linux-savvy at first.,
[9:00] <steveccc> also does anyone else get poor network performance when copying files from the pi - I got terrible performance but it was over an sshfs link rather than ftp or samba
[9:00] <Arch1mede> steveccc: not but i have a 16 and seems to work fine
[9:01] <steveccc> rasp7aa: not a prob for me as my desktop is ubuntu and hence can just mount it - however appreciate what youa re saying
[9:01] <rasp7aa> I get ~1MB/sec off SFTP
[9:01] <neofutur> sshfs can be slow
[9:01] <Aterlatus> I've had fairly crappy performance over sshfs and nfs, but that was writing to the SD card at the server end of things.
[9:01] <steveccc> arch1mede; I have a 32 on order but wondered if anyone has tried 64
[9:01] <neofutur> I love sshfs but someone said nfs was much faster on the pi
[9:01] <stev> Hi, all raspberry pi lovers. I have a question.
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[9:01] <friggle> reminder, please help test the next official debian image http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8071
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[9:01] <rasp7aa> stev: no
[9:02] <stev> rasp7aa, no?
[9:02] <Arch1mede> steveccc: considering you will barely use more than 4 i didnt see the need in spending the money on a 64 gig
[9:02] <Aterlatus> stev: Ask again later.
[9:02] <neofutur> rasp7aa: if you have a real irc client you use tab to complte nicknames
[9:02] <rasp7aa> stev: no
[9:02] <Aterlatus> I assume we're going with magic 8-ball answers anyway.
[9:02] <hotwings> stev - if you have an rpi, youre a nerd. and all nerds should know the answer is 42! :]
[9:02] <Arch1mede> seems cost prohibitive to go beyond 16
[9:02] <rasp7aa> neofutur: /ver me
[9:02] <Ben64> 16GB is nice and cheap
[9:02] <Arch1mede> right
[9:02] <steveccc> arch1mede: i wanted to keep it as a standalone unit ie not connect a hard disk or usb stick until I wanted to transfer files off - hence keeping everything on the card
[9:02] <Arch1mede> 64gigs...not so much
[9:02] <Ben64> yep
[9:03] <oldman> hotwings: I have just tried the link you sent. It is the same I tried before . I t seems to be broken.
[9:03] <neofutur> rasp7aa: oups i thought stevwas for steveccc
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[9:03] <hotwings> i bought a 8gb class 6 for $7 or $8 off newegg.. cant see needing more than that for myself personally
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[9:03] <neofutur> rasp7aa: irssi is the best client ;)
[9:03] <Ben64> rootfs 15G 1.6G 12G 12% /
[9:03] <Arch1mede> neofutur: word
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[9:03] <Aterlatus> BitchX!
[9:03] <hotwings> oldman - broken in what way? i just downloaded the image fine
[9:03] <stev> hotwings, having an rpi doesn't necessarily mean I'm a nerd.
[9:04] <Arch1mede> Ben64: youve already used 12 gigs?
[9:04] <Ben64> don't think I'll ever go past 4GB, unless I transfer a ton of videos to the card
[9:04] <hotwings> oh, hes gone.. nevermind then
[9:04] <Arch1mede> or is that 1.6gigs used?
[9:04] <Ben64> Arch1mede: you're reading that backwards :)
[9:04] <Ben64> yeah 1.6
[9:04] <Arch1mede> ahh ok heh
[9:04] <hotwings> stev - yes it does. so you should know the answer is 42
[9:04] <Ben64> 6*9=42
[9:05] <Aterlatus> stev: If you haven't got the picture yet, it's not proper netiquette to "ask to ask". Just throw out your question.
[9:05] <hotwings> rootfs 7.4G 3.4G 3.7G 49%
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[9:05] <hotwings> thats the most ive used for linux
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[9:05] <hotwings> thats one of my debian htpc boxes right there
[9:06] <rasp7aa> logout
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[9:06] <Arch1mede> hotwings: rpi is replacing my dockstar
[9:06] <stev> hotwings, this is my first time to hear 42.
[9:07] <stev> I use debian for my rpi. Now I use ssh to login then type command "pppoe-start" to connect to internet (via ADSL, needs account and password).
[9:07] <hotwings> stev - youre not a very good nerd then!! :\
[9:07] <stev> How can I make it automatic everytime rpi boots?
[9:07] <Arch1mede> hotwings: not everyone has read those books
[9:08] <hotwings> stev - does a script already exist in /etc/init.d for that?
[9:08] <stev> hotwings, I'm not familiar with /etc/init.d
[9:08] <stev> hotwings, I think not.
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[9:10] <Arch1mede> steveccc: you dont have a router already set up for that?
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[9:11] <steveccc> arch1mede: wrong stev
[9:11] <Arch1mede> steveccc: oopps lol sorry
[9:11] <hotwings> stev - you can have a peek any any of the scripts in /etc/init.d, like /etc/init.d/rc.local for example.. its pretty straight forward
[9:11] <Arch1mede> stev: you dont have a router already connecting your internet?
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[9:11] <stev> Arch1mede: no, every one of my computers have to use account and password to connect to internet
[9:11] <steveccc> stev: that sounds a pain
[9:11] <Arch1mede> stev: really? well that blows
[9:12] <Arch1mede> no kidding
[9:12] <hotwings> yeah, thats lame
[9:12] <stev> hotwings: I know.
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[9:12] <stev> hotwings: I roughly know what to do. But i don't exactly what files to edit.
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[9:14] <Arch1mede> stev: on each device you connect to the inetnet do you get a public ip?
[9:14] <Arch1mede> err internet
[9:14] <stev> Arch1mede: yes.
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[9:15] <Arch1mede> stev: ahh thats why...why dont you nat your devices?
[9:15] <stev> Arch1mede: at most 8 public ip (every time will get different ip addresses)
[9:16] <neofutur> http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/05/4538940/bud-industries-announces-case.html
[9:16] <stev> Arch1mede: and I have a fixed public ip address, will assign to my rpi
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[9:19] <hotwings> neofutur - thats basically a travel soap container
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[9:31] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, Debian can be upgraded from version to version without deleting data...
[9:32] <steveccc> gordondrogon: I know you can update - I just meant if you decided to reinstall
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, and rather than run the risk of a new release having a different partition table, I chose to merge the unused space into one bigger partition.
[9:33] <gordonDrogon> hopefully don't need to re-install, however I'm not sure the RPI Foundation have properly packaged the stuff under /opt though.
[9:33] <hotwings> i wonder how long it will take before someone makes their rpi control xmas lights synced to music
[9:33] <gordonDrogon> I suspect they might have been relying on the RH release initially, but as most people seem to be running Debian, who knows...
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[9:33] <gordonDrogon> hotwings, it's been done with arduinos :)
[9:34] <steveccc> gordondrogon: i would be nice to have a dialog I think to ask you questions on install ie do you want to use all the space or create a partition with the remaining data etc
[9:34] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, all that takes time to put together, and I sort of got the impression that they didn't have any )-:
[9:35] <gordonDrogon> and I've watched a complete newb. trying to do a Debian install the hard way - it's not nice!
[9:35] <steveccc> gordondrogon: oh i understand - I appreciate what they have done - not complaining more adding suggestions to increase updake
[9:35] <Arch1mede> gordonDrogon: in its current form its realy easy to get going
[9:35] <gordonDrogon> sadly, one of the stumbling blocks to Linux (IMO) is having to do your own install - when was the last time the average user did a Windows (re) install...
[9:36] <steveccc> i would also be up for a range of pi devices with increased memory and maybe a little more processor
[9:36] <hotwings> it really sucks the rpi cant boot from usb
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[9:36] <gordonDrogon> Personally, I'd like a basre minimal image - the equivalent of a "nettinst" in Debian land, but I fear that would put off most newbies to Linux & the Pi...
[9:36] <Arch1mede> hotwings: it can but you still need to use the sd card as a bootloader
[9:36] <hotwings> YES gordonDrogon! +1 for a netinst
[9:37] <steveccc> adding wireless would be nice too but I guess its just increased cost, complication etc
[9:37] <mjr> I dunno. It does suck a bit but not really a huge deal especially if the sd performance is getting pretty fixed
[9:37] <hotwings> Arch1mede - i mean boot from usb without needing the sdhc card at all
[9:37] <blkhawk> ya +1
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[9:40] <gordonDrogon> I'd like to think that we'll see another Debian release as a whole card type install - based on Raspbian, with everything properly packaged, however that's currently a volunteer project, so who knows.
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> (ie. a release supported by the RPI Foundation)
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure if they were to put up some money and time, then we might get a semi-paid volunteer to make that project work, however I really don't know what their own plans are.
[9:42] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, 'morning - I have ATmega bootloader going at 12MHz and can boot the chip directly from the Pi via serial!
[9:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Oooo, nice!
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, your running yours at 16MHz?
[9:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I haven't got anywhere since I toasted my breakout board
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[9:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: Yup
[9:43] <gordonDrogon> Oh? How did you do that?
[9:43] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: probably my attempts to use it unsoldered, I've got another one on the way so I can resume tinkering this week
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> what was the breakout board? Not a breadboard then?
[9:45] <Arch1mede> hotwings: well i dont see what difference it makes...a boot is a boot
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> Arch1mede, boot boot boot :) The ROM inside the GPU can only boot off the SD card, nothing else.
[9:45] <Gadgetoid_mbp> A USB->Serial jobby, FT232RL
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> Ah, right.
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> so you were still usingthe USB and not the on-board Pi serial?
[9:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Haven't managed to use the PI's serial directly for uploading sketches, but I did some tests and know I can get messages to the chip
[9:46] <Gadgetoid_mbp> The Arduino software by default wont see ttyama0 as a usable serial port
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, yes, it's fine to the chip, although I found last night that the chip isn't good at 115200 baud for uploading.
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> I'll be looking at the Arduino IDE later today. I don't normally run it, so I've no idea how it's patched up to do a bootloader, etc.
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[9:48] <gordonDrogon> how did you get Java installed on the Pi?
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[9:48] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: as far as the Arduino software goes, I just 'apt-get install'd it??? I tried to compile the newer version from source, but it kernel panics without fail
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> ok. I'll give that a go then!
[9:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> When I've got some more time, I'll have to swap back to the "official" kernel and see if I can get it to compile then
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> don't think it'll be fast though...
[9:49] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Yeah, sluggish but it works- I was even using it through x-forwarding
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> the IDE is all Java isn't it? What do you need to compile?
[9:50] <Gadgetoid_mbp> miscellaneous dev tools and ant
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> Hmm..
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> Maybe I'm glad I've just used Makefiles all my life :)
[9:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Probably for the best, the Arduino IDE is??? "clunky" to say the very least
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> installing it now :)
[9:51] <Gadgetoid_mbp> So you use avrdude directly?
[9:53] <steveccc> is the vnc server the most efficient way to get a remote desktop on the pi
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> yes. use the dude directly.
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> however doing it that way sort of doesn't allow for the standard arduino libraries directly, however I don't use them as I wrote my own.
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> so I have my own serial library, wiring library and so on.
[9:55] <Gadgetoid_mbp> wowser!
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> I'm not a fan of using c++ in an embedded controller either, so my stuff is 100% C.
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[9:57] <gordonDrogon> backin a tick.
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[10:00] <gordonDrogon> so..
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[10:01] <gordonDrogon> yes, I devleloped a whole set of libraries for the arduino/ATmega for a project of my own and for a customer who didn't want any GPL code in their device.
[10:01] <stev> I want to use ntpdate to get time from internet, but my rpi(debian) already starts ntp daemon. How to remove it? Is deleting /etc/init.d/ntp the correct way?
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> I have a tiny real-time task scheduller too which is good for getting away from the "big loop" type of programming that the aduino seems to enjoy...
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> stev, why not just use ntp?
[10:02] <frankivo> stev: why not use the daemon?
[10:02] <stev> gordonDrogon: good question. I don't know how to use npt daemon. :)
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> however... sudo apt-get purge ntp ; sudo apt-get install ntpdate
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> you don't need to know how to use it - it starts automatically and sets the time within a minute of booting. (or less)
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> as long as it's connected to the 'net.
[10:03] <stev> gordonDrogon: I see. let me check it. Thanks.
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> if typing the 'date' command gives you the correct time, then it's working.
[10:04] <Arch1mede> stev: just make sure to set your tz
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> also try the command: ntpq -c rl
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> you'll get severa lines of output, but look for the line with 'stratum' in it - if it's 16, time isn't set, if anything less then you have the correct time
[10:06] * gordonDrogon used to be a timelord ...
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[10:07] <gordonDrogon> brb
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[10:12] <Veryevil> Morning, so what have I missed. Ive been awat for a week?
[10:12] <Veryevil> away*
[10:14] <ironzorg> I received mine last week
[10:14] <ironzorg> you missed that
[10:14] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: custom libraries sound good??? I should probably try to be more bare-metal with my Arduino
[10:15] <Gadgetoid_mbp> But I'd have to look at the existing libraries in order to know how to code new ones, at which point I'll probably understand them anyway and rewriting them would be a waste of time :D
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[10:15] <xboxor> Hello Pi nation!
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[10:17] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, not always good - especially for new starters, but when you get paid for it, and it's something you think is better then ... :)
[10:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hello xboxor
[10:17] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: true! I'm just trying to make things as difficult for myself as possible, in the hope I might learn something
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> What Ho Veryevil, xboxor etc.
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, Heh... I'll be putting up all my stuff shortly anyway.
[10:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> O, morning veryevil!
[10:18] * xboxor has finished his Pi project as of today. ArchLinux, X, Xastir all running, wired to my VHF radio and ready to transmit!
[10:18] <Veryevil> Morning!
[10:18] <Gadgetoid_mbp> gordonDrogon: I'll certainly be interested in learning how to program an arduino atmega from command-line only, it'd fit much better with my workflow
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_mbp, all you need is a makefile :)
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo - arduino IDE up and working on Pi... Now to work out how it calls the bootloader..
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[10:21] <xboxor> video of my Pi running Xastir = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdZ_vywomZk
[10:21] <neofutur> OT: big mysql security problem
[10:21] <neofutur> https://community.rapid7.com/community/metasploit/blog/2012/06/11/cve-2012-2122-a-tragically-comedic-security-flaw-in-mysql
[10:21] <neofutur> just a fyi, sorry for the offtopic
[10:22] <Arch1mede> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdZ_vywomZk
[10:22] <Arch1mede> whoops
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[10:24] <xboxor> I would also suggest everyone to setup 'distcc' and a build environment. It was nice having my dual 6-core Xeon compiling for the Pi. :-D
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[10:26] <vvompy> hi, I followed this tutorial to install my edimax wifi dongle, but the rasp complains that "8192cu: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout". I guess i copied the more up to date firmware so the version conflicts with the version the 8192cu.ko was compiled against. What should I do?
[10:26] <vvompy> http://www.ctrl-alt-del.cc/2012/05/raspberry-pi-meets-edimax-ew-7811un-wireless-ada.html
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[10:28] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Can't change arduino serial port to /dev/ttyAMA0
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[10:28] <gordonDrogon> it's an older 0018 arduino IDE in Debian too.
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[10:30] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Hi. Got the 1.0.1 Arduino IDE "up" on the RPi but had various issues. Finally got it compiling (painfully), but then never got it to see the serial port (but I think the Pi saw it - Uno R3). :)
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[10:30] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Xark: did you get a kernel panic whilst compiling the 1.0.1 Arduino IDE?
[10:30] <Arch1mede> xboxor: what is that?
[10:31] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Have you seen this page? http://raspberrypi.homelabs.org.uk/raspberrypi-the-arduino-development-tool/
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> right now I want to use the suppled Debian squeze IDE (for various reasons) it seems to work, OK, just has the serial port greyed out )-:
[10:31] <Xark> Gadgetoid_mbp: I didn't need to compile it (It is java).
[10:31] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Xark: "build"? When I "ant build" it, it explodes
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> Xark, thanks. yes. I am an old-hand at AVR programming - mostly via the command line though - but I have a project now to get the standard Arduino IDE working over the Pi's on-board serial port.
[10:32] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Java is a sin, we should write a new Arduino IDE :D
[10:32] <Xark> Gadgetoid_mbp: I more or less followed the instructions on the page I just linked. However, with 1.0.1 the compiler comes with the IDE so there were a lot more arm replacements to do...
[10:32] <vvompy> could somebody help me with compiling the new driver?
[10:32] <neofutur> +1 java is a sin
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> I have a new Arduino IDE - it's called vi & Makefiles :)
[10:33] <neofutur> stack exec is bad, my grsec will kill any java immediately
[10:33] <xboxor> arch1mede: distcc? distributed c compiler
[10:33] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Xark: interesting, I've seen that page before but didn't bother with it, cos I'd just "apt get install'd the debian package version
[10:34] <xboxor> Arch1mede: it will offload the 'cc' processes to a remote machine or a list of remote machines. (a ARM build environment must be configured on the hosts though)
[10:34] <Arch1mede> xboxor: your youtube vid....xastir
[10:34] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yeah. At least all the avr-* toolchain files work fine on RPi AFAICT. I suspect with the right avrdude line I could work sans IDE.
[10:34] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Ultimately I'm not too bothered about being able to program the Arduino from the Pi, it'd just be really convenient
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> Xark, sure - I have all that going - can program an atmega from the command-line without a hitch.
[10:35] <xboxor> Arch1mede: yes. I am a ham and will be using the Pi as an APRS controller
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[10:35] <Arch1mede> xboxor: neat
[10:35] <chnops> is gentoo actually usable on the rpi with distcc?
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> Xark, using the Pi's on-board serial port that is...
[10:35] <xboxor> any host can be used for distcc (well any linux)
[10:35] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Interestng. I was using USB (for Uno R3) and had putty on GPIO serial.
[10:36] <xboxor> My host was MintLinux.
[10:36] <chnops> I mean run gentoo on the rpi itself, and then have portage use distcc
[10:36] <frankivo> 10:33 <+chnops> is gentoo actually usable? <-- well, no
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[10:36] <xboxor> I used the 'pump' command as well for offloading the pre-processing as well
[10:36] <Arch1mede> xboxor: ohhh distcc sounds neat...ill have to set that up
[10:36] <frankivo> :+
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> Hm. /dev/ttyAMA0 not found. Urg - look you silly java IDE, it's right there!
[10:37] <Xark> gordonDrogon: The IDE is quite frustrating (in more ways than one). :)
[10:37] <xboxor> I'll be periodically looking at this chat window. If I don't answer any question prvmsg me and I'll get to it. I'm at work now.
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[10:38] <gordonDrogon> Xark, So I'm starting to see. Glad I've never had to use it until now )-:
[10:38] <xboxor-at-work> I'm also connected to this IRC via my Pi.. ;-)
[10:39] <neofutur> chnops: gentoo image works well
[10:39] <chnops> neofutur, cool
[10:39] <neofutur> http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f15-Gentoo-Linux.html
[10:39] <chnops> thank you
[10:39] <neofutur> i tested only the first image
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> right will ponder over it later.
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> brb
[10:40] <neofutur> also join #rpi-gentoo
[10:40] <neofutur> load average: 2.87, 2.60, 2.62
[10:40] <neofutur> emerge -e orld + make modules at the sme time
[10:41] <neofutur> still stable @ arm_freq=930 gpu_freq=350 sdram_freq=500
[10:42] <Arch1mede> neofutur: does that shorten the life of the rp?
[10:42] <Gadgetoid_mbp> I really should install bnc on my Pi!
[10:42] <xboxor-at-work> load average: 18.56, 18.58, 17.76
[10:43] <neofutur> yes but 10 yers or 20 years . . .
[10:43] <neofutur> overvolting seems worst than overclocking
[10:43] <neofutur> xboxor-at-work: 18 load ? not on the pi ?
[10:44] <neofutur> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Tested_values
[10:44] <neofutur> for overcloaking
[10:44] <Arch1mede> overcloaking? wonder how translucent you can go
[10:44] <neofutur> clocking sorry
[10:45] <Arch1mede> lol sorry
[10:45] <xboxor-at-work> over-volt = very bad for this chip. It's even good to verify that your power supply is +- 10% of 5vdc
[10:45] <neofutur> yup a good adapter seems to be necessary
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[10:48] <stev> gordonDrogon: I checked it. ntp on my rpi works. thanks.
[10:48] <xboxor-at-work> I found my Samsung (Sprint Epic 4g) charger works great but chinese chargers seem to be not only too high of voltage but a lot of ripple (noise) that could be VERY bad!
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[10:49] <Arch1mede> bb charger works good
[10:49] <xboxor-at-work> I have seen much info on the voltage but ripple is just as important
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[10:50] <stev> Hello. I want to execute command "su", but error "su: Authentication failure", the page tells me http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Some_programs_refuse_to_accept_my_password using "gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/gksu/sudo-mode true" can fix it. However, i received "gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: gconftool-2: undefined symbol: g_option_context_new"
[10:51] <stev> by the way, executing "irssi" also error "irssi: symbol lookup error: irssi: undefined symbol: g_option_context_new"
[10:51] <stev> I searched still have no idea how to fix "undefined symbol: g_option_context_new"
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[10:52] <Arch1mede> stev: which dist are you running?
[10:53] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Hobbytronics are very switched on, they noticed that I ordered a different breakout to replace my fried one and double-checked that I wasn't being a noob :D
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[10:54] <stev> Arch1mede: debian6-19-04-2012.img but I recompiled kernel.
[10:54] <Arch1mede> stev: and you using apt-get install irssi?
[10:55] <stev> Arch1mede: yes
[10:55] <Arch1mede> well mine works but then again i havent recompiled my kernel
[10:55] <stev> Arch-Raspberrypi: I did install some programs from source tar ball.
[10:57] <xboxor-at-work> stev: scrollz works well. :-D
[10:59] <Arch1mede> stev: hmmm yeah i donno..if its available from apt id rather stick with that...then ill move to apt libraries if its available like webmin then ill do the source
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> stev excellent!
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> stev, use sudo -i instead of just using su
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[11:03] <stev> gordonDrogon: well, "sudo -i" works. Howver, "undefined symbol: g_option_context_new" ....unsolved.
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[11:04] <xboxor-at-work> sounds like you need to recompile libgtk
[11:04] <Arch1mede> stev: how come you had to recompile your kernel?
[11:04] <stev> Arch1mede: I can't decipher what you just said. Are you a wizard?
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> stev, I've no idea about gconftool - don't even know why your running it, however...
[11:05] <stev> xboxor-at-work: libgtk? well...I'll try
[11:06] <xboxor-at-work> that is the lib that is having that error
[11:06] <Arch1mede> stev: no, i am speaking english
[11:06] <stev> gordonDrogon: the page http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Some_programs_refuse_to_accept_my_password tells me it will fix su problem
[11:06] <Arch1mede> stev: let me rephrase...why did you have to recompile your kernel?
[11:06] <vvompy> anyone out there understanding the error "8192cu: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout"?
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> stev, hm. ok. not an issue I've ever had, but I'm really not doing much in the GUI on my Pi - however I've run Debian on my desktop for 18 years now and not encountered that, but it's true to say I don't drive it like most people do...
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> Arch1mede, some people (like me) like to recompile kernels "just because".
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[11:08] <Gadgetoid_pi> Hello?
[11:08] <Gadgetoid_mbp> Aha!
[11:08] <Gadgetoid_mbp> bnc success!
[11:08] <Arch1mede> gordonDrogon: i see...well that just seems silly
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[11:09] <stev> Arch1mede: I tried to use pppoe to connect internet. and http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=6559&p=84970 let me think I need to recompile kernel
[11:09] <stev> Arch1mede: Was I wrong?
[11:09] <xboxor-at-work> now adays for most stuff you can just compile a module
[11:09] <stev> gordonDrogon: I don't use GUI on rpi either.
[11:09] <Arch1mede> stev: no no..i was just courious
[11:10] <Arch1mede> stev: and ill prob have to recomple the kernel myself to get NFS support
[11:11] <Arch1mede> stev: i dont have the same setup as you...in fact i get rid of the headaches and NAT so i dont have to worry about things like that...to me thats just easier but in your case it might not be
[11:11] <stev> Arch1mede: recompiling kernel is not silly. It's fun. torture fun. :P
[11:11] <Gadgetoid_pi> Well I bowed to the horror stories about AVR programming and bought a new fully featured breakout board to go with my basic one
[11:12] <Arch1mede> stev: no no recompiling it for a reason is not silly...recompiling it for 0 reason just because is silly and a waiste of time but thats just my opinion
[11:13] <mythos> you just insulted all gentoo-users ;)
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> RIGHT! I've worked out that the Arduino IDE has the serial ports HARD-WIRED into it. So it'll never find /dev/ttyAMA0
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> Bother.
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> I recompile kernels because I like to.
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> :-)
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[11:15] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: hard-wired!? What on earth...
[11:15] <Gadgetoid_pi> Probably pretty trivial to change, though
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[11:18] * Tachyon` looks around suspiciously
[11:18] <gmjhowe> boo
[11:19] <gmjhowe> You got a Pi yet then Tachyon`?
[11:19] <Tachyon`> lol
[11:19] <Tachyon`> not as yet, I had soem trouble ordering one
[11:19] <gmjhowe> oh noes!
[11:19] <Tachyon`> altough I can order one now as the RS link appeared a week or so ago
[11:19] <Tachyon`> I couldn't get on on the day, the sites went down within seconds
[11:19] <Tachyon`> and I didn't realise the register interest page was teh right one
[11:20] <Tachyon`> as teh foundation tweeted it wasn't
[11:20] <Tachyon`> when in fact it was
[11:20] <Tachyon`> a story that can be repeated many times in here I suspect!
[11:20] <gmjhowe> Yep!
[11:20] <Tachyon`> I do have a pandora though
[11:20] <gmjhowe> I was exactly the same, woke up at 6.
[11:20] <Tachyon`> so I'm familiar with the sort of programming required, just need to get one
[11:20] <Gadgetoid_pi> +1 Pandora
[11:20] <Arch1mede> a what?
[11:21] <Tachyon`> www.openpandora.org
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[11:21] <gmjhowe> Thankfully someone told me to register for interest as they had heard it was the actual thing.
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> Woohoo!
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[11:22] <Gadgetoid_pi> I registered interest 'cos I was interested...
[11:22] <Tachyon`> I also have an A3020 although packed away atm (if your name is a reference to that series of machines Arch1mede)
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[11:22] <gordonDrogon> Success. I can write a program using the standard Arduino IDE running on a Pi, and upload it to an ATmega running at 12MHz connected directly to the Pi's serial port.
[11:22] <gmjhowe> That is a fairly nice thing to be able to do.
[11:22] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: How on earth!?
[11:22] <Tachyon`> the pi has a serial port? what are the voltage levels? guessing not 5v
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, There's no kill switch on awesome :-)
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, 3.3v
[11:23] <Arch1mede> gordonDrogon: lol
[11:23] <Tachyon`> ahh, so max233 at least
[11:23] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: how do you sync up the reset?
[11:23] <Tachyon`> was wondering if it might be 2 or something
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, direct connect to a 3.3v ATmega.
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, secret sauce :)
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[11:23] <Tachyon`> ahh, I've only used PICs, not got onto the AVR chips as yet
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, using a spare GPIO pin on the Pi.
[11:23] <Tachyon`> or the propeller come to that which also looks interesting
[11:24] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: you basically just have to use /gpio to blip that pin up and down at the right moment??? but the timing??? how???
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, ah yea -that's the multi-core gaming chip with an ATmega front-end?
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, yes.
[11:24] <Tachyon`> err, it's a multicore 40 pin device, not designed for gaming or anythign particularly
[11:24] <Gadgetoid_pi> Being able to program directly from the Pi would probably render the two breakout boards I just bought redundant ;)
[11:24] <Tachyon`> it can generate VGA and Composite NTSC though
[11:24] <Tachyon`> so it's pretty nice
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> gpio write 6 0
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> gpio mode 6 out ; gpio mode 6 in
[11:24] <Tachyon`> in software
[11:24] <Arch1mede> Tachyon`: lol how much is the pandora? i cant even find a price for it
[11:25] <Tachyon`> bloody expensive
[11:25] <Tachyon`> I paid ?370 for mine
[11:25] <Tachyon`> I did port rpcemu to it...
[11:25] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: Ah, flip it to in so it pulls it down to ground?
[11:25] <Tachyon`> beebem was a dead loss though
[11:25] <Tachyon`> although I got it working something is slowing it to a crawl and I can't find out what
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, yes. I think if I drive the pin high it'll 'upset' the ATmega.
[11:25] * xboxor-at-work wonders if the 4.2" OLED touchscreen for the BeagleBoard would work well on a Pi.
[11:25] <Arch1mede> Tachyon`: eewww to expensive for me then...i got better things to blow 500+USD on
[11:25] <Tachyon`> I can emulate a risc pc at 50 frames/second but can't seem to emulate a model b at more than 4
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> Right. I need to email my sponsor now :)
[11:25] <Tachyon`> BBC Model B that is
[11:26] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: I don't think it'll hurt it much, but I could be wrong
[11:26] <xboxor-at-work> http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-BT/BeagleTouch
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[11:26] <gmjhowe> jeez ???440 for a pandora..
[11:26] <Gadgetoid_pi> At least I know it can be done!
[11:26] <xboxor-at-work> I drool everytime I see that little screen
[11:26] <Gadgetoid_pi> gmjhowe: you should see the price on the 1Ghz version :D
[11:26] <Tachyon`> they're ?270 now I think
[11:26] <Gadgetoid_pi> But the Pandora is without equal
[11:27] <Tachyon`> I paid ?370 for mine early on to jump the queue
[11:27] <gmjhowe> Is it x86 hardware?
[11:27] <Tachyon`> cortex a8
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[11:28] <Tachyon`> although if you have x86 code and don't mind it running slower than an artritic snail, there's dosemu and qemu for it
[11:28] <Gadgetoid_pi> Tachyon`: what do you think of the silver 1Ghz version, by the way?
[11:28] <Arch1mede> omg..that beagletouch is neat....wish i could substantiate the cost for one of those
[11:29] <Tachyon`> well, mine will run at 1GHz
[11:29] <Tachyon`> and I'll be ordering a replacement silver case
[11:29] <Gadgetoid_pi> I've only ever driven mine up to ~900Mhz
[11:29] <gmjhowe> Its no wonder the Pi is so popular.
[11:29] <Tachyon`> as the left hinge has exploded on mine
[11:29] <Tachyon`> I've run mine at 1050 but I use it at 800 or less in the main
[11:29] <Tachyon`> 1050 is as high as it goes before becoming unstable
[11:29] <Arch1mede> OMG that screen only works on the 884$ models
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[11:30] <Tachyon`> I really should finish my elite port, I was looking yesterday and noticed it's nearly a year since I released an update
[11:30] <Arch1mede> you can buy a whole PC for that amount and run any linux at 2x the speed and memory
[11:30] <Tachyon`> taht's pretty poor -.-
[11:30] <Gadgetoid_pi> Tachyon`: pretty typical, though, life and other pursuits always get in the way of package maintenance
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[11:31] <Tachyon`> aye, well, I had to send my pandora back for repair
[11:31] <Tachyon`> and it took two months
[11:31] <Arch1mede> eew
[11:31] <Tachyon`> and I kinda lost what I was doing -.-
[11:31] <Gadgetoid_pi> Hahaha??? "two months" :D
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[11:31] <Tachyon`> they don't normally take two months, I was unlucky enough to send mine just after craig had spat the dummy and dumped all the repairs he was supposed to be doing on ED
[11:31] <Tachyon`> so mine was at the back of a long line
[11:31] <Gadgetoid_pi> Deary me
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[11:32] <Tachyon`> it really was just over 8 weeks though, that number wasn't an exaggeration
[11:32] <Tachyon`> so you can imagine it wasn't so easy to remember what I was doing with the code after that
[11:32] <gmjhowe> So, what can the Pandora do, that a Pi could not do once the software is more evolved?
[11:32] <Tachyon`> well, the pandora is a lot faster than the pi
[11:32] <Tachyon`> the pi also lacks a built in touchscreen, keyboard, games controls, wifi, bluetooth etc.
[11:32] <Tachyon`> they're designed for different purposes really
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, oddly enough the reset pin is good to +17V ... so I guess it must be pretty resilliant to being abused.
[11:33] <Gadgetoid_pi> You can take the board out of the Pandora and use it as Pi, including breaking out the GPIO if you're into masochism
[11:33] <Tachyon`> yes and it has exposed GPIO on the board for people who want to do such things
[11:33] <Tachyon`> but I'd really rather not
[11:34] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: yeah I imagine the reset pin is the thing that gets abused most by hobbyists
[11:34] <gmjhowe> What do you guys use it for then?
[11:34] <xboxor-at-work> The upcomming Cotton Candy embedded device is pretty bad-ass...Once it comes out. (quad core ARM)
[11:34] <Tachyon`> what I want is to see support for the DSI port on the Pi so it can be used with that nice Nokia 640x360 OLED display with an 8x12 framebuffer console font to yield a proper console
[11:34] <Arch1mede> Tachyon`: all i really wanted to do was replace my dockstar since it was pooping out on me...which the rp did nicely for half the cost
[11:35] <Arch1mede> Tachyon`: amd its easier to get...by the time i need a 2nd one im sure the shipping issues will be fixed
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[11:35] <Tachyon`> I'm going to use the first Pi I get to replace my evil NAS
[11:35] <Tachyon`> (yes, I'm aware of the limitations re USB etc.)
[11:35] <Arch1mede> heh
[11:35] <Adya> Good morning:)
[11:35] <Tachyon`> but my NAS lost 3TB of my data a week or two ago
[11:35] <Tachyon`> so its days are numbered
[11:36] <Arch1mede> doh
[11:36] <Adya> Did you see that: raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8071&p=96737
[11:36] <Adya> ?
[11:36] <xboxor-at-work> Tachyon`, yuk. No bandwidth for that on the Pi. Just get a real controller like a Dell Perc 5/i off ebay.
[11:36] <Tachyon`> did I not just say I was aware of the USB limitations
[11:36] <Arch1mede> lol
[11:36] <Tachyon`> the current NAS only manages about 8MB/second and that does for my purposes
[11:37] <Tachyon`> the Pi will certainly be able to equal at least that
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[11:37] <xboxor-at-work> I have 8x 2Tb drives raid5 on a Perc 5/i (512mb ecc)
[11:37] <Tachyon`> and it'll be running a real OS with real samba
[11:37] <Adya> How do you think, is raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8071&p=96737 more useful than standart debian image?
[11:37] <Tachyon`> rather than an evil istor mangled linux variant
[11:38] <Tachyon`> I really just want a base debian image with nothing else, lol
[11:38] <Tachyon`> I can apt-get the something elses as required, moot atm though as I have no pi yet
[11:39] <Adya> Do you know any alternative to wvdial?
[11:39] <Arch1mede> Tachyon`: i just got mine friday
[11:39] <Ben64> I just got my 2nd one friday : /
[11:39] <Tachyon`> if that's for 3G dongles
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[11:39] <Tachyon`> I use chat scripts and pppd
[11:39] <Adya> I know
[11:39] <Tachyon`> but you might want something more user friendly
[11:39] <Adya> Yeah:)
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[11:40] <Adya> So what is the user friendlies alternative;)?
[11:41] <Adya> *friendliest
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[11:41] <gordonDrogon> Hm. just found a problem with running the ATmega at 12MHz. All the Arduino baud rate calcs assume 16MHz clock.
[11:41] <gobby> I'm just trying to figure out a power budget for a Pi setup... I want to plug an SSD into one of the USB ports on my Pi... The SSD will pull ~ 2.3W I'm assuming the Pi is never going to hit 2.7W so the 5W I have coming from a 1A plug is more than enough?
[11:42] <Arch1mede> debian squeeze is the friendliest imho
[11:42] <Tachyon`> the pi usb ports are limited toabout 120mA
[11:42] <Tachyon`> you are not going to run an SSD from one
[11:42] <Adya> Maybe suitable I think...
[11:42] <Ben64> gobby: yeah you can't draw that much from pi
[11:42] <Adya> No, I am not talking about debian
[11:42] <Tachyon`> well, not unless it has a seperate PSU
[11:43] <Arch1mede> Adya: ohh sorry
[11:43] <gobby> Ah cool, I suspected I might have a problem
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[11:43] <vvompy> hi, I found this command in my tutorial for installing my wifi dongle. Could somebody tell me whats the "kernel-path"? make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- KSRC=path/to/kernel KVER=3.1.9+ MODDESTDIR=path/to/SD/lib/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
[11:43] <Adya> Friendliest alternative to wvdial
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> Actually the whole Arduino environment will be slow too - as it assumes a 16MHz clock. Ah well.
[11:43] <gobby> I'll find an enclosure that has its own power supply
[11:43] <Arch1mede> Adya: ohhh duh sorry..i just scrolled up and saw what you said
[11:44] <Adya> Do not mind:)
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[11:45] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: presumably you flashed a 12mhz bootloader?
[11:45] <Arch1mede> cant you load wifi modules?
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[11:45] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, yes, I have that sorted OK, but the rest of the arduino code (wiring, serial, etc.) all assumes at 16MHz clock.
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[11:46] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: Isn't there a clock setting somewhere? As it can't be hard-coded to 16Mhz when 8mhz Arduinos exist
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, it's probably going to require a complete and customised setup for the Pi.
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, there is conditionall compilnation for some platforms - yes, the nanos, etc. that run at 8MHz.
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[11:47] <gordonDrogon> however I don't know how the IDE actually pulls it all together.
[11:47] <Gadgetoid_pi> Just run it at 16Mhz :D overclocking is fun
[11:48] <Adya> I want to use my Kyivstar 3g dongle
[11:48] <Tachyon`> I take it it's not like the PIC where you can just set the fuses for the clock frequency and it works
[11:48] <Gadgetoid_pi> Or bring the voltage back to 5 and just convert the TX pin from the arduino down to 3.3??? I'm sure a 5v arduino would be comfortable with 3.3v going into its rx
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[11:49] <gordonDrogon> can't do 16MHz. this may be a commercial product and you've really got to stick to the specs for that.
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[11:49] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: one other thing to note, you need to set the reference pin for analogue inputs by supplying it with 3.3v or they'll be funky
[11:49] <Gadgetoid_pi> At least, I think you need to- not entirely sure
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, that's already done, it takes 5V off the GPIO connector and has its own 3.3v regulator.
[11:50] <Gadgetoid_pi> I ran a pot to my analogue input at 3.3v but didn't ever push the range out via serial to check what it was getting
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[11:50] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: Any reason for taking the 5v from GPIO instead of 3.3?
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> I've checked mine - works fine. I can read 0 to 3.3v (or 0 to 1023)
[11:50] <Gadgetoid_pi> nice
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, the 5V supply has more current avalable.
[11:50] <Gadgetoid_pi> I'll look into that when I get stuff working again
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> not that the Atmega needs it, however...
[11:51] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: thought as much, fortunately I've got all the stuff required to set up a voltage reg
[11:51] <Gadgetoid_pi> My shift-register driven LEDs were brighter at 5v, and the Pi didn't care that it was shifting out to a 5v circuit??? I think
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[11:52] <gordonDrogon> says the man who blew up the serial convertor ;-)
[11:52] <Gadgetoid_pi> ayoo :D
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[11:52] <Gadgetoid_pi> my fault for not soldering it up first really
[11:52] <Gadgetoid_pi> gotta desolder the damned thing now, so I can use the headers on my new one
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> This board has the potential to power the Pi though - by feeding 3.3v back into it.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> too many options, too many decisions.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> not enough coffee though. about to remedy that! brb.
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[12:08] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: got a pint mug of coffee threatening to dissolve its way out
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[12:10] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, drink it quick :) I have a nice latte ...
[12:11] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: I didn't get much sleep, so I'm abusing myself with caffeine??? had a rough weekend 'cos our parrot died :(
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[12:14] <Gadgetoid_pi> now eating a despicable brick of what must be almost pure sugar
[12:14] <megaproxy> did i link my pi case?
[12:15] <megaproxy> i cant either way now...
[12:15] <megaproxy> bloody imgur
[12:15] <megaproxy> ?.?
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, parrot?
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> I used to keep chickens..
[12:15] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: he was a conure of some variety or another, can never remember which
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:16] <Gadgetoid_pi> parrots are like a bajillion times more intelligent than cat/dogs, most people don't understand them
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[12:16] <gordonDrogon> I was suprised at home clever chickens appear to be, but it's all food related.
[12:17] <Gadgetoid_pi> chickens could build a rocket and fly it to the moon if they thought there was food up there
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[12:17] <Gadgetoid_pi> Look what humanity did!
[12:17] <megaproxy> i really want a grey parrot
[12:17] <megaproxy> a buddy 4 life
[12:17] <Fatal_eXception0> hey anyone used ffmpeg or tried to stream a webcam off the pi?
[12:17] <Gadgetoid_pi> megaproxy: we used to have a grey, but sadly couldn't keep him :(
[12:17] <megaproxy> aww :(
[12:17] <megaproxy> howcome?
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[12:18] <Gadgetoid_pi> we had a child, and the two don't mix well if they grey comes first
[12:18] <Fatal_eXception0> it seems to use lots of CPU, maybe it needs to be recompiled to use the video encoder somehow
[12:18] <Gadgetoid_pi> it wouldn't have been fair to keep him, which is a shame cos he'd had a previous owner too and was only little when we got him
[12:18] <Gadgetoid_pi> they pick up all the words you don't want them to, and have the intelligence and personality of a ~5-year-old child
[12:19] <megaproxy> haha
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[12:19] <Arch1mede> dang it...now i feel bad for canceling this pi case from shapeways...but i dont feel bad for the cost
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[12:28] <xboxor-at-work> nice price on cases here: https://www.modmypi.com/
[12:28] <Habbie> modmypi is starting production next week
[12:28] <Habbie> i ordered some time ago
[12:28] <Arch1mede> i ordered the one on ebay....its already being sent
[12:28] <Arch1mede> witht he fan on it
[12:28] <xboxor-at-work> yup. I ordered mine 2-3 weeks ago. I got a letter saying they'd be produced on the 15th
[12:28] <Habbie> what did you pay?
[12:29] <Arch1mede> who are you asking?
[12:29] <xboxor-at-work> I can't remember now.
[12:29] <Habbie> Arch1mede, you
[12:29] <Arch1mede> Habbie: 22$
[12:29] <Habbie> Arch1mede, for a modmypi? or some other case?
[12:29] <Arch1mede> the one from shapeways was 46
[12:29] <xboxor-at-work> I also ordered a sticker for my SUV seeing as my Pi will be mounted in my SUV.
[12:29] <Arch1mede> Habbie: other...i got it off ebay
[12:29] <Habbie> Arch1mede, ah
[12:29] <Habbie> xboxor-at-work, hah, neat
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[12:30] <xboxor-at-work> that modmypi logo is a good looking logo too
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[12:30] <megaproxy> http://imgur.com/a/To97h
[12:32] <xboxor-at-work> sweet case
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[12:33] <megaproxy> i have lots more lego up in the loft, so ill probably try make it prettyer
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[12:42] <reider59> My case should be getting made today, The guy said it would be here by Thursday at the latest. I need a good strong, solid case because the Pi is going on a motorised platform at some point, loaded with an on board camera, arduino board and a robotic arm.
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> Right. worked out how to add a new board into the Ardunio IDE, so I can now do the serial stuff OK at 12MHz.
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> just got 'wiring' to fix up now.
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> reider59, sounds intersting.
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[12:55] <Gadgetoid_pi> I wonder if I could program two ATMega chips simultaneously by splitting the TX wire :D
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[12:56] <reider59> I thought that too and its high time I started to learn about Arduino and add on boards. This experiment is being led by a third party who is describing what's needed and how to achive it. But I`ll get some books, research and follow
[12:56] <reider59> some experiments in MagPi
[12:57] <reider59> *achieve
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[12:57] <Gadgetoid_pi> I've learned a lot about electronics over the last few weeks, the RPi is a good catalyst
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> No it's not.
[12:58] <friggle> things are looking pretty good on my wheezy image thus far http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8071&f=50
[12:58] <Gadgetoid_pi> SpeedEvil: Yeeeeahhhss it is :D
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> I tried using it to hydrogenate some vegetable oil, and it sucks.
[12:58] <Gadgetoid_pi> *facepalm*
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, I doubt it - the protocol needs comms both ways.
[12:58] <reider59> agreed gadget, I have problems learning because of the meds I take, but the amount of information and help surrounding the RPi and this forum easilly overcomes that.
[12:59] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: I figured the chips, being more or less equal, would send the same things back via their TX
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[12:59] <gordonDrogon> friggle, is this a raspbian wheeze?
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[12:59] <saschi> hi
[12:59] <friggle> gordonDrogon: no, plain armel
[13:00] <Gadgetoid_pi> reider59: the Pi community is impressive at this early stage, I can only imagine how far it'll go??? but I think the whole idea of uniting like-minded people and getting them producing these very educational resources/blogs is a thousand times more valuable than the Pi hardware in and of itself
[13:00] <friggle> gordonDrogon: I'll be looking at generating an identical image with raspbian packages when thsi is out of the door
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> friggle, ok. what's different with that and me simply changing squeeze to wheeze and doing a dist-upgrade?
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_pi: Indeed.
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_pi: The hardware is quite irreelvant.
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> (to a large degree)
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> friggle, but I have to admit in 18 years of using debian, other than raspbian, I've *never* run a system on testing/unstable...
[13:01] <friggle> gordonDrogon: if you prefer that cool. Though this image is in general configured much more cleanly and is not just a snapshot of someone's pi
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[13:01] <Draylor> well to be fair testing hasnt existed for 18 years ;)
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[13:01] <gordonDrogon> friggle, yea, I've had to "undo" some of the things in the foundations debian ...
[13:02] <friggle> gordonDrogon: yeah, it is fairly solid though. If you reqire extreme stability squeeze might be better (and I intend to spit out a minimal squeeze image too)
[13:02] <friggle> gordonDrogon: yes, which is why I wrote spindle and we're using that now :) https://github.com/asb/spindle
[13:03] <Gadgetoid_pi> I think schools/colleges ruin electronics by bombarding people with too much theory before they've even got them interested in the practical aspect of it
[13:03] <Gadgetoid_pi> I took electronics in college for a week before I quit, it bored me to tears
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> friggle, your link doesn't tell me what spindle is and that's why I hate github.
[13:04] <Gadgetoid_pi> To hell with theory, give me a bag of components and I'll work out the theory when I need it!
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[13:04] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, my first degree choice was electrical & electrinics engineering, but I was seduced by computing...
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[13:04] <friggle> gordonDrogon: just some scripts for building a clean, properly configured distribution image
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[13:05] <friggle> which are used to build the wheezy test image I linked to
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[13:07] <megaproxy> what cool pi projects are happening atm
[13:07] <Gadgetoid_pi> megaproxy: programming shift registers in Ruby,AAAHHMAAGAAD!
[13:07] <megaproxy> see that means nothing to me
[13:07] <megaproxy> what would doing said thing imply?
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[13:07] <Gadgetoid_pi> basically means I can drive lots of LEDs from my Pi using only 3 GPIO pin
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> more power scotty ...
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[13:08] <Gadgetoid_pi> Doesn't have to be LEDs, though, I plan to get 4 7-segment displays running from the shift registers once I figure out how to turn them on and off
[13:08] <megaproxy> i read that that can burn out the board now?
[13:08] <megaproxy> no*
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[13:08] <megaproxy> dude Gadgetoid_pi ..
[13:08] <megaproxy> check what i have right beside me
[13:08] <megaproxy> http://imgur.com/a/bFHxQ#0
[13:08] <Gadgetoid_pi> megaproxy: the board is only sending bits to the shift register, so it's not likely to try
[13:08] <megaproxy> i want to use the segments from that.
[13:09] <Gadgetoid_pi> fry*
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> Neat. RS232 with DIP switches!!! How cool is that :)
[13:09] <Gadgetoid_pi> megaproxy: nice!
[13:09] <megaproxy> no idea how to run this thing tho
[13:09] <megaproxy> nothing on the internet abou tit
[13:10] <Gadgetoid_pi> tried sending it random characters over serial and seeing what it does?
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> exactly- that's what I'd do...
[13:10] <megaproxy> no
[13:10] <megaproxy> i should do that.
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> get a serial port onto it, start at 9600 baud and go from there...
[13:10] <megaproxy> im totally new to all t hat
[13:10] <megaproxy> so i wouldnt know how
[13:10] <megaproxy> thats the problem.
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[13:10] <Gadgetoid_pi> ALL the trial and error
[13:10] <Gadgetoid_pi> I'd guess it takes 5v logic as it's got a full-sized regular ol serial connector on it
[13:11] <Gadgetoid_pi> just hook up a USB->Serial adaptor, fire up a terminal emulator and type 'til it does something
[13:11] <Veryevil> dont you mean RS232
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[13:11] <megaproxy> slam keyboard?
[13:11] <megaproxy> that i can do
[13:12] <Gadgetoid_pi> Should probably be slightly more scientific than that, but there's a good chance it just accepts text and displays it automagically
[13:12] <megaproxy> i somehow doubt it
[13:12] <megaproxy> i think this is from a old PBX
[13:12] <megaproxy> was made to display call queues or some shit
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> check the 'betabrite' and 'prolite' protocols. they seem to deal with wallboards like that.
[13:13] <megaproxy> to the google machiens!
[13:14] <megaproxy> mmm full colour led board
[13:14] <megaproxy> want
[13:14] <Gadgetoid_pi> I'd love one of those colour LED matrix thingamies, gonna have to try one of them eventually for the lovely patterns
[13:15] <Gadgetoid_pi> They don't come cheap though :(
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> make one...
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> probably not on stripboard though!
[13:16] * gordonDrogon ponders
[13:16] <Gadgetoid_pi> It'd be hard to do it with multi-colour LEDs, they need a varying voltage don't they?
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[13:17] <SpeedEvil> No.
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> Hm. then again, 5mm RGB LEDs are close to ?1 each )-:
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> yes, variable voltage, or PWM.
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> All LEDs are essentially driven by current, not voltage.
[13:17] <Gadgetoid_pi> Gonna run out of PWM pins pretty quick
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> And PWM
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> one mans voltage is another mans current :)
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> you get LED controllers that are quite cheap and flexible
[13:18] <Gadgetoid_pi> over ??20 for an RGB LED matrix, only 8x8
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> Quite cheap.
[13:19] <megaproxy> 8x8 could be some fun
[13:19] <megaproxy> could show y/n
[13:19] <megaproxy> you could make a simple game
[13:19] <megaproxy> or something
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[13:20] <Gadgetoid_pi> Yeah, I'll definitely have to consider it when my Paypal balance is a bit healthier
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> I note that cellphone LCDs are actually cheaper than this, and you can easily put a cardboard mask in front of them with holes in.
[13:20] <Gadgetoid_pi> Hahaha
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> or mount them side by side for a "long" display type of thing.
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[13:21] <gordonDrogon> software to drive it would be "intersting" though
[13:21] <Gadgetoid_pi> the paid-links market has kinda died recently, nobody gives me any easy money anymore :(
[13:21] <megaproxy> the wah
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/60mm-square-8x8-rgb-led-matrix-p-392.html
[13:22] <Gadgetoid_pi> That's the one, gordonDrogon ??? isn't it lovely!
[13:22] <megaproxy> oh
[13:22] <megaproxy> touchscreens
[13:22] <megaproxy> will they work with pi?
[13:23] <Gadgetoid_pi> megaproxy: what, all of them?
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> Depends how they interface, and how much effort you're qilling top put in
[13:23] <megaproxy> YES ALL
[13:23] <megaproxy> no some
[13:23] <megaproxy> like a usb one or something
[13:23] <Gadgetoid_pi> What SpeedEvil said
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[13:24] <megaproxy> i wouldnt know how to get em working
[13:24] <Gadgetoid_pi> You could get a Nintendo DS touch screen overlay for pretty cheap
[13:24] * megaproxy will wait for someone smart to do it
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> yea, nice little square, but interfacing will be somewhat challenging - too many pins :)
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[13:24] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: yeah you can't drive it from shift registers, I guess?
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/rainbowduino-led-driver-platform-with-atmega328-p-461.html
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[13:25] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, you probably cound drive it with SRs.
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> is there a shoft & latch chip? ie. shift the pattern in, then toggle a pin to load the shift register into the output register?
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[13:25] <SpeedEvil> yes
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> if you can do that, then it'll flicker less and software PWM might be possible.
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> In general, it doesn't matter
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> Simply as you can clock at ~20MHz easily
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> I guess it depends on the frequncy.
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, not off an arduino - Pi maybe in assembler...
[13:26] <Veryevil> for shift and latch you want a 595
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> And (say) 5us in setting the display vs 1ms is irrelevant.
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> There are many, many quite cheap LED matrix drivers.
[13:27] <Veryevil> e.g. 74xx595
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> Also - ##electronics
[13:27] <zgreg> I wonder if it would make sense to use SPI for a secondary SD interface
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> might use one of those rainboduinos for my xmas project. I want to put up a set of programmable LEDs on the towns xmas tree.
[13:27] <Veryevil> e.g. 74HC595
[13:29] <zgreg> SPI mode isn't exactly fast, but it's better than what the current "vanilla" kernel for the pi achieves
[13:29] <zgreg> and that already seems to be acceptable
[13:30] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: position the LEDs correctly and you could write text around the tree :D
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> The correct way to do this is to use a fiber-optic xmas tree.
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[13:32] <SpeedEvil> Now, get a cellphone LCD, place it under the fiber bundle.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, heh.. this is a sleepy town in rural devon you'r on about..
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> Run software to correlate the position in the bundle with the external position.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> the local "chamber of commerce" supplies a 12' tree and leave it up to the townfolk to decorate it...
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[13:32] <Gadgetoid_pi> Looks like I'd need the HL1606 or something
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> Now, you can transform arbitrary images.
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> Ah
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[13:34] <Gadgetoid_pi> Or LPD8806
[13:34] <Gadgetoid_pi> All these controllers seem to come attached to LED strips
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[13:45] <ReggieUK> is someone thinking about buying a rainbowduino?
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[13:46] <Gadgetoid_pi> ReggieUK: why do you ask?
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> Oooo... Thunder!
[13:46] <ReggieUK> because I have one
[13:46] <ReggieUK> and I wasn't that impressed with it
[13:46] <ReggieUK> maybe I needed to sit down with it some more
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[13:47] <ReggieUK> but the support from seeed seemed to be a bit minimal
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[13:47] <ReggieUK> like they didn't release updated information for the newer version that I bought
[13:48] <megaproxy> what are those micro android pc's called?
[13:48] <megaproxy> and are any out ytet..
[13:48] <zgreg> what's the default APB clock on the pi? because that is what SPI clock is based on
[13:48] <Arch1mede> megaproxy: ohhh i know what yer talking about...let me look in my emails
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[13:50] <chris_99> what's a rainbowduino when it's at home ReggieUK
[13:51] <megaproxy> http://www.raspberrymod.com/
[13:51] <megaproxy> what a usefull forum.
[13:51] <megaproxy> if you need penis pills
[13:51] <megaproxy> i hate forums that dont stop spammers....
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> right, well that's more or less that. Arduino running at 12Mhz, 3.3v connected to Pi via on-board serial: Done </Gordon Ramsey>
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[13:52] <gordonDrogon> not another forum...
[13:52] <megaproxy> haha
[13:52] <megaproxy> there are loads.
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[13:52] <gordonDrogon> too many to keep track of.
[13:52] <megaproxy> best one is on the .org?
[13:52] <ShiftPlusOne> megaproxy, lol... I was impressed for a second (after seeing the number of threads)
[13:52] <megaproxy> or are there better ones..
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[13:52] <megaproxy> ShiftPlusOne, same, i thought i found a gold mine
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[13:53] <ReggieUK> chris_99 http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/rainbowduino-led-driver-platform-with-atmega328-p-461.html
[13:53] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: documentation coming soon? :D hee hee
[13:53] <Gadgetoid_pi> although I suspect I could probably get it working somehow
[13:53] <ReggieUK> you have to be careful on the rgb matrix you buy for it too
[13:54] <ReggieUK> they're not all pin compatible
[14:00] <ReggieUK> the one form seeed isn't that brilliant either I found
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[14:00] <ReggieUK> the other one I bought wasn't pin compatible so I had to make a stripboard breakout for it
[14:01] <ReggieUK> that was a huge pita
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[14:05] <Arch1mede> megaproxy: A10 MK802
[14:05] <megaproxy> awesome
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[14:06] <Gadgetoid_pi> Hmm, is having lm-sensors running pointless on the Pi?
[14:06] <Gadgetoid_pi> I've got too many services starting up :D
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[14:06] <megaproxy> tad more expensive..
[14:06] <megaproxy> $95?!
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, working on it now :)
[14:06] <Arch1mede> megaproxy: lol i know right...you might as well buy a beaglebones
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, I don't think there are any sensors for lm-sensors to read )-:
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> I had a go with it a while back, and nothing... further reinforced after I compiled my own kernel for it..
[14:06] <Gadgetoid_pi> gordonDrogon: Yeah, I thought so??? also fancontrol is starting too???
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_pi, yea, silly Debian dependancy.
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[14:06] * tvd4ever slaps Arch1mede around a bit with a large trout
[14:06] <Gadgetoid_pi> guess I could attach a fan for it to control??? wouldn't do a lot though :D
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[14:06] <Arch1mede> tvd4ever: what i do??? :P
[14:06] <friggle> now we see if Liz and Eben will get to say "I told you so". Seem to be coping fine with the load this far
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[14:06] <Gadgetoid_pi> friggle: ?
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[14:06] <friggle> Gadgetoid_pi: Liz tweeted about my wheezy image test
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[14:06] <Gadgetoid_pi> friggle: Oo, I've been on a twitter blackout
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[14:06] <gmjhowe> Why a blackout?
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[14:06] <Arch1mede> friggle: i just got a new SD card to run that on
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> wow. it's raining. really raining. and this is the 2nd wettest town in Devon...
[14:06] * IT_Sean gives gordonDrogon a snorkel
[14:06] <friggle> and the H wrote a post on it? crazy http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Debian-wheezy-for-Raspberry-Pi-goes-into-testing-1615208.html
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[14:06] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, do you want the man to drown in that heavy coat? https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=snorkel+coat&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=A97VT8aaBZGa8gOl84GyAw&ved=0CJ4BELAE&biw=1280&bih=895
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> I have a snorkel. full scuba gear too...
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> brb mug of tea time.
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[14:06] <IT_Sean> If it keeps raining, that scuba gear may come in handy. :p
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[14:08] <Habbie> guys, guys. i just found out Dune II exists for RISC OS.
[14:08] <Arch1mede> *rolls eyes*
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[14:09] <Habbie> is risc os for pi avaiable anywhere, by the way?
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[14:10] <gordonDrogon> I thought someone was working on RiscOS for Pi..
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> however...
[14:11] <Habbie> hard to find anything recent and concrete abot it
[14:11] <Habbie> *about
[14:11] <IT_Sean> At the moment, no. I do not believe it is.
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> it's a long long time since I had my Arc ...
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> hehe rain's eased off a bit and my wife's been sitting in her car waiting... :)
[14:13] <IT_Sean> waiting for what... to come in, or to leave?
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> waiting to come into the house, but she's here now :)
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> and our neighbours back-door has flooded.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> so I've just been out to make sure all our own drains are clear...
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[14:24] <IT_Sean> shame on you for not going out with an umbrella
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> she has one...
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> and used it.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> car park is 5 minutes walk.
[14:24] <IT_Sean> oooh
[14:24] <IT_Sean> I see
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> I would have taken one down to her if she didn't have one...
[14:29] <phoque> gordonDrogon, obviously
[14:29] <phoque> :-P
[14:29] * IT_Sean 's bright sunny and warm here.
[14:29] <IT_Sean> or so i am told. **wishes he had a window**
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> Here is a window for you: http://www.dartcom.co.uk/dartcam/index.php
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> that's about 8 miles from me.
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[14:30] <IT_Sean> I'm not going to see ShiftPlusOne doing unnatural things with sheep if i click on that, am i?
[14:30] <IT_Sean> 'cause there are some things that a re better left unseen
[14:30] <IT_Sean> *are
[14:31] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[14:31] <ShiftPlusOne> <.<
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> Hm. it's 15 miles according to google... Ho hum.
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> not far from the hairdy hands of dartmoor either ...
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> er, hairy hands.
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> http://www.legendarydartmoor.co.uk/hairy_hands.htm
[14:34] <IT_Sean> O_o
[14:34] <IT_Sean> Someone should tell 'em what causes that :p
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[14:45] <dolly> hi. running debian on a raspberry pi. i'm trying to run a program outside of x but receive the message "couldn't oen framebuffer device '/dev/fb0'. how do i enable the framebuffer?
[14:45] <friggle> dolly: probably a permissions issue. Run as root
[14:45] <friggle> or change the permissions on /dev/fb0
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[14:48] <dolly> friggle: hi friggle. i tried running as root but was told a shared library file was missing (libsprectrum.so.8
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[14:48] <gordonDrogon> dolly, try sudo program
[14:48] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[14:49] <IT_Sean> Ahoyhoy
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> dolly, then if that works, you need to add yourself into video group, so you can run without sudo.
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[14:49] <ThePendulum> How well does XBMC run on the Pi?
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[14:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ThePendulum, depends on your expectations.
[14:49] <ThePendulum> ShiftPlusOne: Well... I'd like to be able to play blu-ray quality videos...
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[14:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Some people point out it can take 5 seconds when navigating from menu to menu, others complain about performance during action scenes... seems fine to me, but that's mostly because I don't care about that sort of thing. Short answer is try it out and see for yourself.
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[14:52] <ThePendulum> ShiftPlusOne: Well it's a bit of a waste of money if it won't work
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[14:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I thought you had a pi already.
[14:52] <ThePendulum> I wish I had one
[14:52] <ThePendulum> They're sold out
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[14:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah well, in my opinion it is not a HTPC.
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[14:53] <ThePendulum> True that
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[14:57] <dolly> gordonDrogon: my user is already added to the video group it would seem
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[14:57] <dolly> useradd: user 'pi' already exists
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[14:59] <phoque> dolly, use "adduser" instead
[14:59] <mjr> you want adduser
[14:59] <phoque> if you're on Debian
[14:59] <mjr> yeah
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> no, don't try to re-add the pi user...
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[15:00] <friggle> gordonDrogon: adduser USER GROUP adds the given user to a group
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> dolly, how did you load up the program you'r trying to run? If it's got a missing library then you need to get that library.
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[15:02] <gordonDrogon> who was asking about RiscOS earlier? http://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/show/Software%20information:%20Development%20%28ROM%20image%29
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[15:02] <dolly> gordonDrogon: installed from source
[15:03] <Veryevil> Hey, how do i compile hello_triangle2 on raspbian
[15:03] <dolly> gordonDrogon: basically trying to get the fuse spectrum emulator to run using sdl without the need for x
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[15:03] <Veryevil> I get hello_triangle2.bin uses VFP register arguments
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[15:04] <gordonDrogon> looks like your missing the library then. if the library was compiled, then check where it installed it and maybe look at LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable.
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> SDL works fine on the console. I use it in my BASIC interpreter.
[15:04] <dolly> gordonDrogon: not a big issue really. it runs fine under x, though no sound, so i thought i'd try getting it to run with sdl in the console.
[15:04] <Veryevil> well raspbian uses hard floating point not vfp
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[15:06] <dirty_d> Veryevil, vfp is hardware floating point isnt it?
[15:06] <dolly> gordonDrogon: fuse (the program) reports "fuse: couldn't open framebuffer device '/dev/fb0" "fuse: error initialising --- giving up!"
[15:06] <Veryevil> not sure TBH
[15:06] <dirty_d> VFP (Vector Floating Point) technology is an FPU coprocessor extension to the ARM architecture.
[15:06] <dirty_d> yea
[15:07] <dirty_d> Veryevil, maybe you need to compile with -mfloat-abi=hard
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[15:07] <dolly> the libspectrum.so.8 missing file error is only reported when trying to run the program with sudo
[15:08] <dirty_d> Veryevil, well -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard
[15:08] <Veryevil> does that go in the makefile?
[15:08] <dirty_d> you dont have to
[15:08] <dirty_d> you can do
[15:08] <dirty_d> CFLAGS='-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard' make
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[15:10] <gordonDrogon> dolly, fuse - that's filesystem in user space. I've no idea why it might be wanting that...
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[15:11] <gordonDrogon> dolly, did you modprobe the sound modules first?
[15:11] <Veryevil> dirty_d: tried that didnt work. Getting hello_triangle2.bin uses VFP regsiter arguments ../libs/ilclient/libilclient.a does not
[15:12] <dirty_d> CFLAGS='-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp' make
[15:12] <dirty_d> try that for the hell of it
[15:12] <Veryevil> nope
[15:13] <Veryevil> looks like there is a hard float version of libilclient and a soft float version
[15:14] <dirty_d> on your system?
[15:14] <Veryevil> not sure which is in /opt/vc/lib but Hexxeh's rpi-updater downloader gets both from the github
[15:15] <dirty_d> Veryevil, what distro are you using?
[15:15] <Veryevil> Raspbian
[15:15] <dirty_d> oh right
[15:15] <dirty_d> were those libs there already?
[15:15] <dirty_d> in /opt/vc
[15:15] <Veryevil> i did say in my original question.
[15:15] <Veryevil> yeah
[15:15] <dirty_d> hmm, they should be compiled hard then
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[15:16] <dirty_d> unless there is a mistake
[15:16] <dirty_d> im gonna try compiling that on arch and see what happens
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[15:20] <megaproxy> guys
[15:20] <megaproxy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lilliput-8-869GL-80NP-C-T-DVI-HDMI-Touchscreen-Monitor-/290516227147?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item43a41dd44b#ht_6642wt_1165
[15:20] <megaproxy> think this will work?
[15:20] <megaproxy> or be a failure
[15:20] <Davespice> Veryevil: I found I had to set up a link to get those demos to compile properly, on the pisces r1 image anyway, r2 image worked first time
[15:21] <Veryevil> know what it was?
[15:21] <Davespice> sudo bash -c 'echo "/opt/vc/lib" > /etc/ld.so.conf.d/vmcs.conf'
[15:21] <Davespice> I also needed to do this;
[15:21] <Davespice> sudo nano /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local-rpi.rules
[15:21] <Davespice> paste in this;
[15:21] <Davespice> SUBSYSTEM=="vchiq", GROUP="video", MODE="0660"
[15:22] <Veryevil> im using hexxeh's r3 image
[15:22] <Davespice> then make sure your user is part of the video group;
[15:22] <Davespice> sudo adduser YOURUSER video
[15:22] <dirty_d> Veryevil, hmm?
[15:22] <Veryevil> and /opt/vc/lib is in vmcs.conf
[15:23] <Davespice> try the other steps too and see if that helps
[15:24] <Veryevil> they shouldnt affect build time only run time but will try
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[15:24] <Davespice> oh okay, so is the problem it builds really slowly?
[15:24] <dirty_d> Veryevil, whats that file for?
[15:24] <Veryevil> no it errors
[15:24] <dirty_d> Veryevil, i just compiled it on archlinux no problem
[15:24] <Veryevil> its an OpenGL ES 2.0 demo
[15:25] <dirty_d> i get the error you had when i compile hard
[15:26] <Davespice> If it helps I also found you have to be using at least the 192 start.elf file, otherwise it won't run too - I know that is not a compile issue but just saying
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[15:31] <dolly> gordonDrogon: yes. i have the sound modules setup to work on boot
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> dolly, I've run out of thoughts!
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[15:32] <dolly> gordonDrogon: no probs. thanks for all those you've shared with me! :)
[15:32] <dolly> gordonDrogon: ir runs under x. i'll have to settle for that :)
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[15:34] <parag0n> would people be interested in a little board that costs about 6 quid and adds a battery backed RTC to the pi?
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[15:35] <haltdef> I wouldn't because my pi is network connected, ntp makes it a non-issue
[15:35] <Dysk> I'm sure it'd be useful to *someone* but I can't imagine demand being staggering, exactly.
[15:36] <IT_Sean> parag0n: it'll probably be more of a demand once the Model A comes out, as that has no network connectivity, but, i too do not see a huge demand.
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[15:37] <beardface> hey, i was in here last week talking about hooking a 5v fan up to the pi
[15:37] <beardface> just wanted to report back that it worked great
[15:37] <PHahrrgis> Am I a terrible person for wanting a pi simply for media playback?
[15:38] <Aciid> no
[15:38] <Gadgetoid_pi> PHahrrgis: Yes. Yes you are.
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[15:39] <mjr> you are not a terrible person, at least before you start complaining about the pi's limitations, not having checked those beforehand ;]
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[15:39] <Gadgetoid_pi> PHahrrgis: although buying a Pi means you're donating to the foundation, even if it's a nominal amount
[15:39] <beardface> raspbery pi with fan -> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-IxQgM2UsDkc/T9X0pIM4clI/AAAAAAAAIGo/AkcLnsukQqY/s438/pifan.PNG
[15:39] <Cheery> X]
[15:40] <megaproxy> that seems... pointless
[15:40] <RaTTuS> why
[15:40] <beardface> megaproxy: it is pointless; but awesomely so
[15:40] <megaproxy> pointless because the pi dosent need cooling
[15:40] <megaproxy> and yea, cool none the less
[15:40] <megaproxy> get it
[15:40] <megaproxy> cool?
[15:40] * megaproxy sighs
[15:40] <beardface> buda dum
[15:40] <beardface> ching
[15:40] <Cheery> I consider putting irssi running to my server
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[15:41] <beardface> anyway, it was mainly a test to see if i could run a low voltage 5v (100ma) fan off the pi
[15:41] <beardface> and still do everything on the pi i wanted ot
[15:41] <beardface> answer: yes.
[15:41] <Draylor> nevermind the fan, nice little case in that pic
[15:41] <megaproxy> i want my pi to make me coffee
[15:41] <Draylor> beats my cardboard effort ;)
[15:41] <megaproxy> i made a lego one
[15:41] <megaproxy> wana see it?
[15:41] <megaproxy> its totally not awesome
[15:42] <megaproxy> http://imgur.com/a/To97h
[15:42] <beardface> Thanks Draylor
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[15:42] <beardface> its one of these I printed on my 3d printer: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-3D-Printed-Case-Assorted-Colors-/180901208827?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2a1e8d62fb#ht_712wt_1325
[15:42] <beardface> silver
[15:42] <Draylor> it'll be more awesome than mine: RS shipping box with holes cut in it :p
[15:42] <megaproxy> Draylor, haha
[15:42] <megaproxy> beardface, how much did your printer set you back?
[15:42] <beardface> :) nice ghetto lego case
[15:42] <beardface> it costs me a bout 400 in parts to build one
[15:42] <beardface> and about 20 hours in time
[15:42] <megaproxy> D=
[15:42] <megaproxy> wana print me a case?
[15:42] <megaproxy> lol
[15:43] <beardface> do you have a design you want printed?
[15:43] <megaproxy> i like the case you have.
[15:43] <beardface> yeah, it is a nice little case
[15:43] <megaproxy> but if your in USA, it would cost a bit to ship i guess
[15:43] <beardface> i have some 'throw aways' i'd just charge you shipping for
[15:43] <beardface> they have small defects and didn't want to sell them
[15:43] * megaproxy is in england
[15:43] <beardface> still work and look good
[15:43] <beardface> just not perfect
[15:43] <megaproxy> im down for it :D
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[15:44] <megaproxy> you should name the case.
[15:44] <megaproxy> call it something like.
[15:44] <beardface> I did
[15:44] <beardface> its the PiCrust
[15:44] <megaproxy> ayyye
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[15:44] <megaproxy> :D
[15:44] <IT_Sean> PiCrust? I like it! :p
[15:45] <beardface> :)
[15:45] <megaproxy> so without the fan mount
[15:45] <beardface> seems fitting that you put raspberry pi in a crust
[15:45] <megaproxy> its a solid top
[15:45] <megaproxy> ?
[15:45] <beardface> yeah
[15:45] <beardface> solid color
[15:45] <beardface> no holes
[15:45] <beardface> the only vent holes would be on the back
[15:45] <beardface> and a few mounting holes on the bottom
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[15:47] <megaproxy> word
[15:47] <megaproxy> i laik
[15:47] <pjm> beardface what language does the printer use, gcode or something similar?
[15:47] <beardface> it uses gcode
[15:47] <pjm> nice, and what cadcam s/w do u use?
[15:47] <beardface> I designed the case in google skecthup
[15:47] <beardface> *sketchup
[15:48] <beardface> used a python script to export that to STL
[15:48] <pjm> ah excellent, i've not yet tried that, must give it a whirl
[15:48] <parag0n> you can use anything that'll export STL for a reprap or similar
[15:48] <beardface> then used Slic3r (Open source gcode converter) to slice STL to gcode
[15:48] <beardface> yup
[15:48] <pjm> and what runs the printer, EMC2 or something else?
[15:48] <beardface> Pronterface
[15:48] <beardface> open source python script
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[15:48] <Butcho> you talking about a 3D printer?
[15:48] <beardface> github.com/kliment/printrun
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[15:48] <pjm> thanks, i'll check it out
[15:49] <parag0n> the electronics are mostly arduino based
[15:49] <pjm> always fancied building a printer
[15:49] <beardface> pjm, visit #reprap
[15:49] <parag0n> so it can do better realtime control and GCode buffering than something with a full OS
[15:49] <beardface> everything you need, and all the experts sit there
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[15:50] <pjm> i did this PCB over the weekend on my mill: http://pjm.dyndns.org/twtr/dist.jpg
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[15:50] <pjm> but need to try the 3d printer, seems interesting tech
[15:51] <Veryevil> pjm: what software do you use to make your PCBs?
[15:51] <pjm> eagle for design, then plugin called pcb-gcode
[15:51] <pjm> then gcode loads into emc2 or linuxcnc whatever its called now
[15:52] <pjm> but its not bad, i can do trackwidths down to about 0.3mm with the mill
[15:52] <Veryevil> whats the smallest track size / pin size you can do?
[15:52] <pjm> pin size is probably about the same 0.3mm
[15:53] <Gadgetoid_pi> pjm: what on earth is that thing doing?
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[15:53] <Veryevil> what machine you using?
[15:53] <beardface> nice, pcb etcher would be fun
[15:53] <pjm> Veryevil its a mill i made myself
[15:53] <pjm> Gadgetoid_pi that board is a 10MHz dist amplifier, used to distribute output of Rb oscillator
[15:53] <Veryevil> nice got a blog post for it?
[15:54] <pjm> um not a blog persay but there is a post on linux cnc
[15:54] <Veryevil> build log?
[15:54] <pjm> google pjm cnc should be the top entry
[15:54] <Veryevil> cool
[15:54] <pjm> lol no build log, i'm not htat organised, i build it on the fly
[15:55] <pjm> the pics there are old tho, i need to update them, since the machine has gotten better since they were taken
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[15:55] <beardface> here is a photo build log of my latest printer: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.827398579812.2187652.36104139&type=1
[15:55] <beardface> not very detailed
[15:55] <beardface> but better than nothing
[15:57] <pjm> http://pjm.dyndns.org/twtr/nixie4.jpg this is one of my favorite cases so far that i've built on the mill
[15:57] <pjm> beardface thanks will take a look
[15:58] <beardface> purty
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[15:58] <frankivo> wee
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[15:58] * PiBot sets mode +v SMJ
[15:58] <frankivo> got me Pi-cases
[15:58] <frankivo> my*
[15:59] <megaproxy> i really want a 3d printer
[15:59] <megaproxy> i just dont have the money to get one
[15:59] <dirty_d> id rather have a mill and lathe
[16:00] <frankivo> now all I need is some PI
[16:00] <mjr> apropos 3d, just ordered a line scanner to kludge up something like this scanner setup: http://wiki.makerbot.com/makerscanner
[16:00] <mjr> s/scann/las/
[16:01] <IT_Sean> cake > pi
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[16:01] <gordonDrogon> Hmmmm cake ...
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> no, don't get me started again.
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> I lave lemons left-over from last week... might make another lemon drizzle cake...
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> 8 lemons.. 2 per cake... Hmmm.
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battenberg_cake
[16:02] <Gadgetoid_pi> When life gives you lemons, throw them at the floor and run away before they explode
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> Clearly what's needed is a 3d cake printer.
[16:02] <frankivo> beardface: poke*
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> never was a fan of the batternberg cake, however...
[16:05] <Cheery> When life gives you lemons, eat them and show the finger
[16:05] <mjr> When life gives you lemons, beware of lemon whores
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> I could make lemon curd.. one egg per lemon and a lot of sugar!
[16:05] <blkhawk> lemons don't explode - they just burn really fast
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> we bought lots to make home-made lemonaide... most wasn't drunk, sadly )-:
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> however that's what the client wanted...
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> blkhawk: you can make vapour explosions with citrus oil
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> I think people today just don't appreciate home made lemonaide and ginger beer...
[16:06] * IT_Sean is pretty sure gordonDrogon needs to come over here and make cakes for his office.
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[16:06] <frankivo> http://tweakers.net/ext/f/v531Y2ogWEjxrKonQjLIjkw7/full.jpg
[16:06] <frankivo> :)
[16:06] * IT_Sean will appoint him Head of Cake Procurement
[16:07] <beardface> hey frankiovo
[16:07] <beardface> YEAH!
[16:07] <beardface> :)
[16:07] <frankivo> :D
[16:07] <beardface> so they all 3 made it?
[16:07] <frankivo> yea
[16:07] <beardface> what do you think?
[16:08] <frankivo> bit of plastic-waste that needs to be removed
[16:08] <frankivo> but case looks fine :)
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, sure - just pay my expenses ;-)
[16:09] <IT_Sean> I don't think HR will go for that.
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, Ah well...
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[16:10] <IT_Sean> I would bring it up at the next budgetary meeting, but, i never go to those things in the first place.
[16:10] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:10] <IT_Sean> Besides, my department is fat enough without cake. :p
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[16:11] <Veryevil> friggle: Hey, Im having problems with libilblient not being compiled for hard float
[16:11] <Veryevil> libilclient*
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[16:13] <dirty_d> Veryevil, why dont you build libilclient yourself?
[16:14] <dirty_d> Veryevil, https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/ilclient
[16:14] <Veryevil> might have to
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[16:14] <Habbie> has anyone tried to get iOS running on the raspi? ;)
[16:14] <friggle> Veryevil: Veryevil which libilclient?
[16:14] <friggle> hardfp/opt/vc/lib seems hardfp to me
[16:14] <IT_Sean> Habbie: never going to happen.
[16:14] <Habbie> IT_Sean, why not?
[16:14] <Veryevil> the one in the hardfp git
[16:14] <Gadgetoid_pi> iOS is closed source and compiled for the wrong architecture :D
[16:15] <drazyltoo> I put iOS 6 on it, but it was too easy, so I deleted it and wiped the details from my mind
[16:15] <IT_Sean> Firstly, it won't run on unsigned hardware. Second, completly the wrong architechure.
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[16:15] <Veryevil> friggle: cannot compile any of the hello_ examples (that use libilclient)
[16:15] <drazyltoo> I do remember there was something about "reversing the polarity" though
[16:15] <Gadgetoid_pi> Also, what would you even do with iOS on an RPi!? :D
[16:15] <Veryevil> friggle: Getting hello_triangle2.bin uses VFP regsiter arguments ../libs/ilclient/libilclient.a does not
[16:15] <Habbie> iphone 3gs runs on the same ARM cpu
[16:15] <friggle> Veryevil: use the libilclient from /opt/vc/lib
[16:15] <drazyltoo> oh, and asking a Pony to help
[16:15] <beardface> frankivo: yeah, i pluck them right off my printer and put them in a bag
[16:16] <friggle> Veryevil: but you're right, the one in /opt/vc/src/lib/ilclient is softfp
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[16:16] <frankivo> beardface: nothing my knife cant handle
[16:16] <Veryevil> thats what its linked to but I have checked that that is the file from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/hardfp/opt/vc/lib
[16:16] <Habbie> IT_Sean, unsigned hardware should not be a big issue; i can't judge architecture beyond the impression that the CPU is not the issue
[16:17] <friggle> Veryevil: as I see it, /opt/vc/lib/libilclient.a is hardfp and /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/lib/ilclient/libilclient.a is softfp. No?
[16:17] <bhoga> I got IOS on mine ... http://yfrog.com/o04emfoj
[16:17] <bhoga> :-)
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[16:18] <Habbie> bhoga, hehe
[16:18] <Veryevil> don't know but I'm using Raspbian and I suddenly cannot compile hello_triangle hello_triangle2 hello_displaymax
[16:18] <Veryevil> maybe more
[16:18] <dirty_d> Veryevil, so edit the makefile to use the other libilclient
[16:19] <Veryevil> it was a problem before https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/1 but I guess it was resolved? maybe its back?
[16:19] <friggle> or copy the other ilclient over the hardfp one
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> Veryevil, I managed to compile and run hello_triangle on Raspbian OK.
[16:19] <friggle> Veryevil: yes, the problem is that the ilclient in opt/vc/src/hello_pi/lib/ilclient is softfp. For now, use the hardfp one in /opt/vc/lib. I'll nudge Dom to fix it if it's not already on his list
[16:20] <bionicRobot> hi everyone.
[16:20] <Veryevil> gordonDrogon: can you run rpi-updater and try again to compile them
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> Veryevil, Hm. I've no real desire right now to replace the kernel on my raspbian box.
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> hang on though - I'll save my stuff and give it a go.
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[16:21] <IT_Sean> Habbie: you have better chance of getting linux to run on a dead badger than iOS on a raspi.
[16:21] <friggle> Veryevil: gordonDrogon: ermmm. I've confirmed and described the nature of the problem already. Precompiled libs in /opt/vc/src are not hardfp, you're right
[16:22] <Habbie> IT_Sean, you're no fun :)
[16:22] <IT_Sean> Sorry.
[16:22] <Veryevil> friggle: are any of them>
[16:22] <Veryevil> ?
[16:22] <Habbie> IT_Sean, i would love to hear actual technical reasons for why it would be impossible
[16:22] <blkhawk> IT_Sean: i hear there is a patch for dead badger
[16:22] <Habbie> ubuntu dead badger
[16:22] <IT_Sean> I gave you two, just a couple of minutes ago.
[16:23] <blkhawk> Habbie: well - it would be pointless
[16:23] <Habbie> pointlessness is not a technical reason
[16:23] <friggle> Veryevil: all libs in /opt/vc/lib are hardfp
[16:23] <Habbie> IT_Sean, unsigned is not a reason, to me - especially not if you change the goal from 'run iOS' to 'run iOS binaries'
[16:23] <friggle> and there is a precompiled hardfp libilclient.a there
[16:23] <IT_Sean> No, but it being the wrong architecture, and the whole unsigned hardware issues ARE.
[16:23] <Habbie> IT_Sean, and i'd love to see the architectural differences pointed out
[16:23] <blkhawk> true all you need is a emulator that simulates an apple device
[16:24] <dirty_d> does hard make a noticable performance increase?
[16:24] <dirty_d> archlinux people said 1-7% for heavily fp stuff
[16:24] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[16:24] <blkhawk> Habbie: just google twice - one for the old hrdware in the iphone and once for the raspberry firmware
[16:24] <blkhawk> compare
[16:24] <SpeedEvil> It can be >50%
[16:24] <SpeedEvil> IIRC povray
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> waiting on the updater...
[16:24] <SpeedEvil> But that's a very, very edge-case.
[16:24] <blkhawk> dirty_d: actually for heavy fp stuff you get factor 6-8 or so
[16:24] <IT_Sean> Habbie: there is software out there to EMULATE iOS. But, you will not be able to run it natively on the pi. If you would like to have a discussion on why it won't work, i'll be happy to engage in one after work. I usually get home at around 6pm US ET
[16:25] <Habbie> blkhawk, i did that, but i'm not sure why i should care about anything but the CPU
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[16:25] <blkhawk> Habbie: the gfx chip?
[16:25] <blkhawk> sound?
[16:25] <Habbie> blkhawk, i'm thinking about how 'wine' works on any linux/bsd intel machine
[16:25] <blkhawk> yes
[16:25] <blkhawk> but it ill make stuff SLOW
[16:25] <dirty_d> blkhawk, 6-8 times faster?
[16:25] <blkhawk> SLOW
[16:25] <Habbie> wine often is faster than running an app natively on windows
[16:25] <blkhawk> dirty_d: syntectic fp benchmarks hit that
[16:25] <dirty_d> wow
[16:26] <blkhawk> Habbie: well trust me this would not be
[16:26] <Habbie> blkhawk, why?
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> Hm. seems to be giving me a 224 image too - I was on the 192 one.
[16:26] <dwatkins> did people get Android to run on the Pi, I'm curious.
[16:26] <dirty_d> i've run games in wine that run at about 80% the framerate as on windows
[16:26] <blkhawk> Wine only emulates the API not the system cpu type
[16:26] <dwatkins> I guess not, as it's such a specific architecture...
[16:26] <Habbie> blkhawk, i know - i'm not talking about emulating the cpu either
[16:26] <blkhawk> yes
[16:26] <blkhawk> you just said
[16:27] <blkhawk> wine is several times faster
[16:27] <Habbie> it can be, yes
[16:27] <Veryevil> modified Makefile.Include to point to /opt/vc/lib/libilclient.a
[16:27] <Habbie> next question is whether wine on the pi will run windows 8 arm apps, some day ;)
[16:27] <mythos> wine emulates nothing. wine implements the windows api. if wine emulates anything, than the gtklibs are emulating the same for gtk-programs
[16:27] <Habbie> mythos, indeed
[16:28] <dwatkins> wine stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator ;)
[16:28] <IT_Sean> I always preferred Windows Is Nasty Excrement :p
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> hello_triangle.bin works.
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> however I've run the old binary. I'll compile it again.
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's goofed :)
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[16:31] <Veryevil> if you go to Makefile.Include and change the part that looks for libilclient.a and change the path to be /opt/vc/lib/libilclient.a it works
[16:33] <bionicRobot> Hey anyone else waiting on a Pi from RS? Is it normal to charge your CC before shipping a product?
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[16:33] <drazyltoo> think they did with mine
[16:34] <Habbie> i paid RS via paypal
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> Veryevil, not that bothered - it's not something I'll be doing on the Pi really...
[16:34] <IT_Sean> My understanding was that they did not charge you until they shipped / until they actually had a Pi they were going to ship to you.
[16:34] <IT_Sean> i.e. it may not have left their warehouse yet, but, if they sharged you, it should mean that you will have a Pi on it's way to you shortly.
[16:35] <friggle> Veryevil: thanks for the report. make clean && make inside the /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/lib subdirs would also fix it. Should be fixed in the next firmware update
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[16:35] <bionicRobot> Well its been over 3 weeks. so unless they are walking it here I don't understand the delay
[16:36] <Veryevil> friggle: ok thanks
[16:36] <blkhawk> bionicRobot: rs doesn't send you a note when they SEND the rrpi
[16:36] <Veryevil> how do I downlaod https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_video/test.h264 without pulling the entire git?
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[16:36] <blkhawk> bionicRobot: however when they do its fast - for me it took 18hours 11 minutes from uk to germany
[16:36] <blkhawk> farnell on the other hand
[16:37] <blkhawk> sends you a note that they send it out
[16:37] <blkhawk> however they send it with royal mail
[16:37] <blkhawk> UK - germany transit so far is 13 days
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[16:38] <blkhawk> i know the transit time because DHL send me an emailbragging about it
[16:38] <amelia_> :P
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[16:39] <IT_Sean> they were BRAGGING that it takes them nearly two weeks to get a package from the UK to Germany?
[16:39] <Habbie> dhl only needed two days for me
[16:39] <blkhawk> no
[16:39] <blkhawk> DHL
[16:39] <Butcho> ordered mine from export.farnell.com (UK) on 2/29. Got it 6/7 3 weeks delayed because my CC expired. They charged me $60usd. Think I got robbed but this thing is so awesome.
[16:39] <IT_Sean> Are they moving it by snail!?
[16:39] <Habbie> same for UPS from farnell
[16:39] <blkhawk> 18hours 11 minutes
[16:39] <blkhawk> Habbie: farnel used royal mail
[16:39] <blkhawk> still in transit
[16:39] <Habbie> blkhawk, not to me in .nl :>
[16:39] <blkhawk> well
[16:40] <bionicRobot> @Butcho: I think you did get robbed. $60 is getting into Beagle Bone territory
[16:40] <blkhawk> I got the invoice from farnell days ago yes
[16:40] <Habbie> i haven't seen a farnell invoice yet
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[16:40] <Habbie> Butcho, how much of the $60 is shipping?
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[16:41] <Butcho> yeah I'm not sure why they charged me so much for it, but it's worth it so I don't care. Although I did put it on my Amex and could dispute some of it
[16:41] <Butcho> let me check
[16:41] <Habbie> ohh, apc.io just opened for preorder
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[16:41] <bionicRobot> I sent the "interest" from to both RS and Farnell. RS was the only one to send a reply and I haven't been back to the farnell site since April
[16:42] <blkhawk> bionicRobot: I actually ordered from farnell in the first hour
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[16:42] <Caver> Habbie, where I can see a "Pre-order soon2 on their site
[16:43] <Habbie> http://apc.io/order/pre-order/
[16:43] <Habbie> wow
[16:43] <Habbie> that was quick
[16:43] <bionicRobot> I made the mistake of not creating a user account before trying to order so I was able to put one in the basket the first hour but buy checkout the servers went to shit
[16:44] <Butcho> I just got mine too
[16:44] <Butcho> apc.io
[16:44] <Habbie> and
[16:44] <Habbie> they're sold out
[16:44] <Caver> lol ... oh well
[16:44] <Caver> that went quick
[16:44] <Caver> guess it was like the Pi sell out too
[16:45] <Habbie> except this website did not die
[16:45] <Caver> indeed
[16:45] <bionicRobot> Looks neat. but no GPIO or TTL headers?
[16:46] <Caver> nope
[16:46] <Caver> only 720p as well
[16:46] <Dysk> Hrm... Is there an easy way to access DAAP shares from console?
[16:46] <Dysk> (i.e. a console player, rather than having to get fusedaap working...)
[16:48] <Gadgetoid_pi> APC has all the IO on one side??? yay! version of the Pi like that would be nice
[16:48] <Caver> yeah the lack of GPIO is a shame though
[16:48] <gmjhowe> Shame you need a bigger power supply for it.
[16:49] <IT_Sean> APC?
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> people are actually buying these APC things???
[16:50] <Caver> from the FAQ: Does the HDMI port have Audio & CEC?
[16:50] <Caver> The HDMI port supports 2 channel stereo audio.
[16:50] <Caver> I guess that's a no on CEC then
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[16:50] <IT_Sean> got a link to the "things" in question?
[16:50] <RaYmAn> they've confirmed it has CEC
[16:50] <Habbie> IT_Sean, apc.io
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[16:51] <Caver> http://apc.io/faq/
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[16:51] <blkhawk> via....
[16:51] <Caver> ouch @ the power consumption, 4 watts idle and 13.5W @ full load
[16:51] <IT_Sean> oooooh!
[16:51] <blkhawk> i guess wine would work on that
[16:51] <blkhawk> ya
[16:51] <IT_Sean> tempting
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[16:52] <blkhawk> sounds lie x86 to me
[16:52] <Tumulte> Hi :)
[16:52] <blkhawk> also that power consumtion is intel atom like
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[16:52] <Tumulte> (there's quite a lotta people out there !)
[16:52] <blkhawk> yes indeed
[16:52] <blkhawk> 7 billion in fact
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[16:53] <Veryevil> Does the APC have hardware accelerated X?
[16:53] <gmjhowe> Its not the first mini mobo they have made.
[16:53] <Butcho> omg
[16:53] <Butcho> Item total $49
[16:53] <Butcho> Shipping and handling $38
[16:53] <Butcho> Total $87
[16:53] <Habbie> Veryevil, it does not come with X
[16:53] <Butcho> I'll pass
[16:53] <blkhawk> Veryevil: not much is known about the hardware - it might have similar pitfalls to the pi
[16:53] <dirty_d> $38 shipping?
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[16:54] <Tumulte> I'm just here to ask a question I wasn't able to answer : is ther some ways to add a PCI slot to the Rasperbarry PI?
[16:54] <Butcho> yeah weird huh
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[16:54] <Caver> I think it's ARM as well, so no wine
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> Tumulte, Highly unlikely.
[16:54] <blkhawk> Caver: VIA 800MHZ
[16:54] <Caver> Tumulte, not really, there isn't a PCI bus on the chip
[16:54] <Veryevil> sorry is the graphics chip on it have open source drivers that can very easily be used with X?
[16:54] <blkhawk> that screams x86
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[16:54] <blkhawk> and the power consumption matches it
[16:54] <gmjhowe> Its nice, but I would always choose a full size Micro ITX board or a Pi, not something imbetween
[16:54] <zgreg> Tumulte: realistically, no
[16:55] <Habbie> Butcho, dirty_d, shipping stays $38 if you order two
[16:55] <gmjhowe> I have a 1.6 atom board sat around not doing much.
[16:55] <Habbie> turns out my coworker was early enough to order and got me one too
[16:55] <Caver> he 170 x 85mm APC sports an 800MHz ARM 11 CPU - VIA's own WonderMedia 8750 - 512MB of DDR 3 and 2GB of Flash
[16:55] <Caver> from http://www.reghardware.com/2012/05/22/chip_maker_via_outs_49_dollar_raspberry_pi_alike/
[16:55] <Butcho> would anyone pay $87 for a apc.io ?
[16:55] <blkhawk> gmjhowe: same here
[16:55] <Tumulte> express-card support maybe ?
[16:55] <blkhawk> WonderMedia... now that sounds WOONDERFUL
[16:55] <Tumulte> anything but USB ?
[16:55] <zgreg> Tumulte: high-speed SPI :3
[16:56] <blkhawk> i WONDER if it works as WONDERFULLY as ATIs all-in-WONDER worked as TV card
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[16:56] <Caver> sniggers
[16:56] <zgreg> that's not exactly fast, though :)
[16:56] <blkhawk> :P
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[16:56] <gmjhowe> What they should have done is just made the PicoITX a lot cheaper.
[16:56] <gmjhowe> That little board was excellent.
[16:57] <Caver> sounds entirely like a me too, device
[16:57] <Caver> still a little competition never hurt
[16:57] <Gadgetoid_pi> Tumulte: if you want anything but USB out of the Pi, you accidentally the wrong computer
[16:57] <gmjhowe> http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=39
[16:57] <hotwings> apc up to 720p and stereo over hdmi only? not good enough
[16:58] <parag0n> the APC has VGA out, which costs $40 to add to a r-pi
[16:58] <Caver> Tumulte, what are you wanting to do with it, that would need that kind of speed?
[16:58] <blkhawk> Gadgetoid_pi: well - there is i2c, spi and serial
[16:58] <gmjhowe> Pffft
[16:59] <Linkxsc> question can anyone recommend a small VGA screen that one could use with an RPi?
[16:59] <gmjhowe> VGA is so 1990 parag0n
[16:59] <zgreg> the biggest problem with the APC is that it is made by VIA
[16:59] <Gadgetoid_pi> blkhawk: none of them particularly useful as a high-speed bus though :D
[16:59] <blkhawk> zgreg: ya thats pretty much the kiss-o-death
[16:59] <bionicRobot> I have one device in my house that can do VGA: My LCD TV
[16:59] <Tumulte> Caver, basically, I'd like to make a small audio recorder out of it... (I got the preamps and the sound card, but my PC don't moce)
[16:59] <zgreg> you think raspberry pi was vaporware and long overdue? ha-ha. enter the world of via!
[16:59] <Tumulte> move*
[16:59] <parag0n> gmjhowe, unfortunately, all projectors and most monitors are stuck in 1990
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[16:59] <blkhawk> Gadgetoid_pi: depends what you call highspeed and what you want to use it for
[16:59] <gmjhowe> Yes
[17:00] <zgreg> it easily takes a year for VIA from initial announcement to delivery
[17:00] <gmjhowe> But most of those will have composite video.
[17:00] <hotwings> APC supports MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, VC.1 and H.264 video codecs. <-- +1 for that though
[17:00] <gmjhowe> Pretty much standard for most monitors.
[17:00] <blkhawk> zgreg: not to mention via performance always sucks
[17:00] <blkhawk> I remember my via athon boards
[17:00] <dirty_d> gmjhowe, how much money is that?
[17:00] <blkhawk> boy those were stinkers but at least i didn't have a SIS chipset
[17:01] <gmjhowe> The Pico retailed for about ??200 when it came out in 2007
[17:01] <gmjhowe> If they had just kept that spec, but made it cheaper.
[17:01] <gmjhowe> Came with several extension boards.
[17:01] <Butcho> I emailed them back and told them that a better price point would be to sell them for $1, but charge $86 for shipping/handling.
[17:02] <Caver> Linkxsc, any LCD screen with a HDMI --> DVI-D cable
[17:02] <Matt> I've got some friends at Centaur, who do VIA's CPUs
[17:02] <zgreg> Butcho: where did you get the $86 number from?
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[17:02] <Matt> they're very fond of commenting about how the CPUs are decent, but the VIA chipsets suck
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[17:02] <Caver> or a old TV if you can stand low resolution and connect it via composite
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[17:02] <blkhawk> hotwings: the pi should be able to decode mpeg1 and mpeg2 - we are only using part of the Gpu now
[17:02] <zgreg> blkhawk: be careful, the ARM stuff isn't done by the same people at all
[17:02] <zgreg> blkhawk: it's not similar to the x86 crap at all
[17:02] <Butcho> Cause they are selling them for $49 but charging $38 dollars shipping/handling.
[17:03] <zgreg> Matt: the CPUs aren't that great, IMHO
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[17:03] <gmjhowe> I am sure it comes in a fancy box Butcho
[17:03] <zgreg> Matt: they are years behind intel and amd, in both performance and power consumption
[17:04] <zgreg> VIA is the only CPU maker that is still trying to market 25W CPUs as low-power embedded solutions
[17:04] <blkhawk> zgreg: erm have you looked at the power consumption of it?
[17:04] <blkhawk> ah you have
[17:04] <zgreg> blkhawk: speaking of x86
[17:04] <gmjhowe> It feels like to me, that VIA basically saw the Pi all those months ago and was like 'Shit, need to compete with that'
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[17:05] <hotwings> blkhawk - maybe with an additional codec pack purchase
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[17:05] <blkhawk> ya
[17:05] <Caver> I'll think I'm happy to stick to my 3.5W Pi thanks
[17:05] <hotwings> too bad nobody is motivated enough to reverse engineer it :)
[17:05] <blkhawk> or somebody implements an opengl based video decoder
[17:06] <blkhawk> hotwings: i was of a mind to gran a roku2 box dump and grep for a bit
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[17:07] <blkhawk> the start.elf was intestesting in that it had uncompile shader code in it
[17:07] <zgreg> accelerated MPEG1/2 decoding might be possible with the GPU
[17:08] <blkhawk> zgreg: might be?
[17:08] <zgreg> it is not that hard to offload motion compensation, and that's hopefully all that is needed
[17:08] <blkhawk> how likely is it that it isn't in there
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[17:09] <zgreg> blkhawk: I'm speaking of using opengl shaders to do motion compensation (that's the last part of the decoding pipe and quite demanding)
[17:09] <blkhawk> ah yes
[17:09] <blkhawk> thats what i was hinting at too
[17:09] <zgreg> but fortunately mpeg-2 motion compensation maps rather well to vertex/fragment shaders
[17:09] <hotwings> speaking of which, liz didnt reply but eben did.. apparently the videocore iv doesnt have any deinterlacing capability :(
[17:10] <zgreg> oh, that sucks
[17:10] <blkhawk> uh
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[17:10] <blkhawk> probably not implemented
[17:10] <zgreg> but it should be possible to do (simple) deinterlacing with the help of opengl
[17:10] <blkhawk> ya
[17:11] <Matt> zgreg: I hear good things about the stuff that's not actually out yet :)
[17:11] <blkhawk> the raspberry feels a bit like the OLPC
[17:11] <blkhawk> we might see a totally changed embeded systems lamdscape
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[17:12] <zgreg> Matt: well, if it gets to the market in 2-3 years it'll be outdated anyway :p
[17:12] <gmjhowe> Like only 10% of people have got stuck into developing on it.
[17:12] <zgreg> Matt: that's what happened to via's "atom killer", the nano
[17:12] <blkhawk> there should be a RPI2 by then
[17:12] <gmjhowe> Still no end of people waiting for them.
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[17:13] <zgreg> when it finally saw the light of the day, it was too late, and it didn't live up to the performance promises either
[17:14] <blkhawk> zgreg: neighter does the atom tho
[17:14] <zgreg> guess what? VIA's initial samples were clocked at 1.8 GHz and they promoted the performance with those samples, but in the end they had to reduce clock to 1.3 GHz to lower power consumption, and that set back performance to the same level as the intel atom
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[17:15] <zgreg> blkhawk: atom isn't so bad, actually, especially if you take advantage of SMT
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[17:15] <blkhawk> zgreg: yes
[17:15] <blkhawk> thatswhy i have one
[17:15] <zgreg> and las but not least, the atom still smokes almost any ARM CPU
[17:16] <zgreg> only the very latest cortex-a15 CPUs can compete with atom
[17:16] <blkhawk> yes but there are still no truely low power boards out
[17:16] <blkhawk> due to chipset power draw
[17:16] <zgreg> intel has some pretty neat boards
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[17:17] <zgreg> intel's newest intel boards run straight off 12V (no ATX!) and they idle at < 10W
[17:17] <zgreg> s/intel//2
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[17:17] <oldman47> How do I download Raspbmc? The installation link on the Raspbmc site seems to be broken.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, I have an Atom board that works like that - 12V input.
[17:18] <zgreg> blkhawk: check out the DN2800MT
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, and lots of AMD Geode boards (only 500MHz though)
[17:18] <zgreg> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html
[17:19] <gmjhowe> I remember when the first MicroATX atom board came out for ??50
[17:19] <gmjhowe> Another wake up call for VIA
[17:19] <blkhawk> can't say i'm impressed with how long it took them to realease one with direct 12v
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[17:19] <zgreg> blkhawk: they've had another one for years
[17:20] <gmjhowe> At the time the cheapest MicroATX was nigh twice that.
[17:20] <zgreg> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-d945gsejt.html
[17:20] <zgreg> that's the older one
[17:20] <blkhawk> zgreg: i got one of the first cheap ones
[17:20] <blkhawk> and a nano atx
[17:20] <blkhawk> then upgraded
[17:20] <gmjhowe> How was the Nano ATX?
[17:21] * haltdef wants an ivy bridge ULV tablet
[17:21] <gmjhowe> I was tempted by one of those at the time.
[17:21] <zgreg> gmjhowe: yes, VIA's epia line was (and still is!) totally overpriced
[17:21] <haltdef> transformer book perhaps
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[17:21] <zgreg> I remember buying a POS c3-based epia board, for about 250 EUR
[17:21] <gmjhowe> Like I said, should have focused on making the Pico-ITX cheaper
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[17:23] <mikey_w> ordered May 28th from Newark and still on backorder. Arrrgh!
[17:23] <traeak> well i got mine friday
[17:24] <traeak> i don't think my hdmi connector works
[17:24] <gmjhowe> Pfft, had mine for weeks.
[17:24] <Dysk> Heh, ordered early March, got it last week.
[17:24] <gmjhowe> It just sits there looking pretty on my desk.
[17:24] <mikey_w> traeak, when did you order it?
[17:24] <Dysk> mikey_w, patience!
[17:24] <dmsuse> mikey_w: same here
[17:24] <traeak> mikey_w: feb 29
[17:24] <traeak> if it doesn't work then it's no better than a doorstop
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> I used to buy lots of VIA boards, but they sort of lost the plot and AIUI fell-out with all the UK distys, who more or less stopped stocking them )-:
[17:25] <Dysk> A bit light for a doorstop, really.
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> I really liked their 1GHz fanless boards for PBXs.
[17:25] <traeak> so question: anything i should expect from the HDMI
[17:25] <phoque> traeak, it may be your monitor...
[17:25] <traeak> my router says the rpi got a dhcp assignment
[17:25] <Caver> have you tried the HDMI power boost thing?
[17:25] <phoque> traeak, SSH into it and fiddle around with http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[17:25] <traeak> phoque: which one? i tried a dell 1680x1050 monitor and just now a hanns-g 1920x1200 monitor
[17:26] <phoque> hmm
[17:26] <traeak> phoque: arch did'nt do ssh by default...let me hack the hcard and turn that on
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[17:26] <Caver> config_hdmi_boost=4 ub the /boot/config.txt file, then reboot
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[17:26] <Dysk> traeak, try forcing HDMI in the config.txt which phoque referenced
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[17:26] <phoque> using that file is a bit weird though...
[17:27] <phoque> my Raspi talks to my old TV just fine without, finds the perfect resolution
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[17:27] <dirty_d> traeak, did you set the right HDMI mode?
[17:27] <phoque> setting that mode won't show anything
[17:27] <dirty_d> mine was set to 1080p 50Hz which wont work on 60Hz american tvs
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[17:28] <traeak> dirty_d: hack the primary configuration you mean?
[17:29] <dirty_d> traeak, /boot/config.txt
[17:29] <dirty_d> its on the fat partition
[17:30] <dirty_d> traeak, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[17:30] <dirty_d> mine is set to hdmi_mode=16
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[17:32] <zgreg> by the way, why the heck is the default TV mode NTSC?
[17:32] <Caver> 480p?
[17:33] <zgreg> I thought the pi is an european/british product, it should be PAL :)
[17:33] <megaproxy> ^
[17:33] <megaproxy> it looks crappy on my tv
[17:33] <megaproxy> like a letterbox
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[17:33] <Caver> you need to change the overscan options then I think
[17:33] <amelia_> Well, it's coming up as PAL by default on mine
[17:33] <amelia_> I'd say go into config.txt and add disable_overscan=1
[17:33] <the_cuckoo> ntsc on mine
[17:34] <megaproxy> ooooooooooh
[17:34] <megaproxy> TIL
[17:34] <zgreg> no, it's definitely NTSC by default
[17:34] <the_cuckoo> don't think it's an overscan issue
[17:34] <blkhawk> zgreg: I think that shows that the blobs for the gfx card that set the defaults come directly from broadcom
[17:34] <the_cuckoo> it's not pretty on my pico projector, but it works :p
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[17:35] <zgreg> amelia_: your TV is probably capable of both standards
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[17:35] <amelia_> yup
[17:35] <the_cuckoo> zgreg: my pico is capable of both too
[17:35] <Butcho> I want to pass consoleblank=0 to the kernel, where would I add that?
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[17:35] <Butcho> cmdline.txt ?
[17:35] <zgreg> my philips??? personal monitor CM8802 is not capable of NTSC, though :p
[17:36] <zgreg> (that's an old amiga/c-64 monitor)
[17:36] <the_cuckoo> nice :)
[17:37] <mkopack> Butcho: Yeah, probably
[17:37] <Caver> Butcho, yes in /boot/cmdline.txt
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[17:38] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, My Pi is definately PAL be default.
[17:38] <traeak> no luck yet, these are just normal computer monitors, not hdtv
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[17:39] <Butcho> actually: sudo vi /etc/kbd/config, BLANK_TIME=0, and sudo sh -c "TERM=linux setterm -blank 0 >/dev/tty0"
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[17:39] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg is a 30-year old PAL monitor connected to a Pi ..
[17:39] <Butcho> that pic looks really cool
[17:40] <Butcho> what is the breadboard doing?
[17:40] <Caver> traeak, is this a DVI monitor connected by a HDMI --> DVD-D cable?
[17:40] <dirty_d> traeak, find otu the monitor's native resolution
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> Butcho, the breadboard has an Arduino on-board. The Pi is talking to the arduino to control the stoff on it - leds, switches and a potentiometer. it's echoing the settings to the screen.
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[17:40] <dirty_d> you probably want hdmi_group=2
[17:40] <Butcho> yeah I see the arduino, but what is it doing
[17:41] <dirty_d> and use the modes with the resolutions shown
[17:41] <Butcho> the arduino I mean
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> it's just acting as a dumb IO board for the Pi. It's running a program that takes commands over the serial line.
[17:41] <Butcho> cool
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> So the program in the Pi is using an Arduino "wiring" like library and it sends the commands to the Arduino which then executes them.
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> the setup on the breadboard is just a demo of bits & pieces - not for any specific purpose, just my own testing, really.
[17:42] <Butcho> I bought a arduino few months ago, haven't played with it yet.
[17:43] <traeak> dirty_d: sure
[17:43] <traeak> i switched cards to a dd image and sshd finally came up
[17:43] <traeak> i just hate using dd images
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[17:43] <oldtopman> dd isn't too bad.
[17:43] <dirty_d> traeak, so you know its running just nothing on the screen?
[17:43] <traeak> dirty_d: absolutely
[17:44] <dirty_d> traeak, do you knwo the monitors native resolution?
[17:44] <traeak> 1900x1200
[17:44] <dirty_d> ok
[17:44] <dirty_d> so add
[17:44] <dirty_d> hdmi_group=2
[17:44] <traeak> just got in
[17:44] <dirty_d> hdmi_mode=69
[17:44] <traeak> probably that is the one i was missing
[17:44] <dirty_d> hdmi_mode=69 1920x1200 60Hz
[17:44] <zgreg> the problem with disk images is that you also have to write all of that free space
[17:45] <traeak> hdmi_group=2 didn't esee a good description of what that setting means
[17:45] <zgreg> an image format with sparse blocks would be great
[17:45] <traeak> zgreg: well for the mele i just made 2 partitions
[17:45] <traeak> and copied the data over
[17:45] <traeak> dd'd the necessary uboot part
[17:45] <zgreg> yes, that's what I did, too
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[17:45] <traeak> i did a 1GB card for the rpi that way but for some reason sshd didn't start
[17:45] <traeak> the 1GB card is ancient though
[17:46] <Caver> traeak, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt ..... hdmi_group=2 - DMT (aka computer modes), 1 is TV type modes
[17:47] <dirty_d> oh wait thats not 1900x1200
[17:47] <traeak> ugh looks like its 19x12@50 damn
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[17:47] <dirty_d> you sure its 1900x1200?
[17:47] <traeak> 1920x1200
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[17:47] <traeak> yeah i have 2 of thee monitors, one of them i'm using right now
[17:48] <traeak> current xrandr mode: 1920x1200 50.0*
[17:48] <dirty_d> it looks bad?
[17:48] <traeak> hmm?
[17:48] <traeak> on my main machine? nah loks great witha gf240 :-p
[17:48] * PiBot sets mode +v Viperfang
[17:48] <dirty_d> no on the rpi right now
[17:48] <traeak> the rpi is blank
[17:48] <traeak> wait one
[17:48] <traeak> ie: choose a mode i know is supported
[17:49] <dirty_d> the VGA one?
[17:50] <dirty_d> hdmi_group=1 hdmi_mode=1
[17:50] <ratherDashing> man the alsa driver on this thing really does suck
[17:50] <ratherDashing> i saw the firmware was updated this morning and updated, now the debugging is through the roof on the alsa driver but the bugs remain
[17:50] <dirty_d> whats wrong
[17:51] <ratherDashing> cmus works fine for some reason, pianobar does NOT play well with the alsa driver
[17:51] <ratherDashing> i think they both use libao which is surprising
[17:51] <dirty_d> youre using the analog audio right?
[17:51] <traeak> okay bonus, vga mode works
[17:51] <dirty_d> i havent even tried it
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[17:51] <ratherDashing> pianobar plays for a good 2-20 seconds and then stops
[17:52] <ratherDashing> dmesg is just a mess with alsa debugging code
[17:52] <dirty_d> traeak, see those commands on the wiki to check which modes your monotor supports?
[17:52] <traeak> now to find a supported hires mode
[17:52] <ratherDashing> dirty_d: hdmi for audio and video, it doesn't matter though, the software assplodes, it doesn't have anything to do with the plug
[17:52] <ratherDashing> [ 2115.412336] BUG: scheduling while atomic: VCHIQ-0/28/0x00000003
[17:53] <dirty_d> ratherDashing, hmm im using omxplayer and i have no audio problems
[17:53] <ratherDashing> thats my favorite log line, the "this is a bug" one
[17:53] <ratherDashing> omxplayer doesn't use alsa i don't believe
[17:53] <traeak> dirty_d: nice, either missing library or bad loader paths for the vid mode checker
[17:53] <dirty_d> whats the error?
[17:53] <dirty_d> try
[17:54] <traeak> runnign update on card first then will move on
[17:54] <dirty_d> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m DMT
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[17:54] <traeak> i'm impatient
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[17:54] <traeak> yeah figured needed to search for it
[17:54] <dirty_d> ratherDashing, oh right
[17:54] <traeak> atleast this new card is fast
[17:54] <traeak> the one i've been usign for my mele crawls
[17:55] <dirty_d> yea same here, my old card was crap
[17:56] <traeak> on the mele at least i can boot into an SATA drive
[17:56] <traeak> so bootstrapping doesn't kill me
[17:57] <dirty_d> im surethats possible on the pi after the system is up and running
[17:57] <traeak> except for a missing SATA interface :-p
[17:57] <dirty_d> oh yea not sata
[17:57] <dirty_d> im thinking external usb drive
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[17:57] <traeak> need to do some morespeed checks on how well that operates
[17:57] <mikey_w> traeak, I have 2 mele A1000 and I hate them because information on booting new a new os is so fragmented. No simple images that just work.
[17:58] <traeak> equipment shuffle ot get both running at the same time
[17:58] <traeak> mikey_w: yeah, it's scattered for now still...doesn't help that there's no unified kernel patches yet
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[17:58] <traeak> mikey_w: i put arch on mine (proably the only one to have that running anywhere)
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[17:58] <mikey_w> Compared to the PI it is worthless to me.
[17:59] <traeak> mikey_w: currently less capable, sure
[17:59] <traeak> currently stuck with fbdev
[17:59] <traeak> but everything else works fine for me on it
[18:00] <mikey_w> I hate having to use microsoft magic software to accomplish anything.
[18:00] <traeak> hmm?
[18:00] <traeak> i only used MS software to update the android
[18:00] <traeak> haven't had to touch any MS stuff atall for the mele
[18:00] <traeak> btw, trying to find an XP32 machine is a bitch
[18:00] <mikey_w> I don't want to flash the nand, I just want to boot from an sd card.
[18:00] <Iota> Anyone here have Sky+?
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[18:01] <traeak> thankfully at work we had some p3-600 laptop in the corner as a super disaster backup
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[18:01] <traeak> loading a firmware with usb1.1 is horrible
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[18:04] <dirty_d> i wanna make a submarine with an rpi, lol
[18:04] <megaproxy> do it
[18:04] <dirty_d> tether it with an ethernet cable
[18:04] <megaproxy> i was planning on building a TBM
[18:04] <mikey_w> I wonder how many Pis are in the wild now?
[18:04] <megaproxy> a small TBM
[18:04] <dirty_d> webcam/controls over ethernet
[18:04] <megaproxy> MikeH, i have 2!
[18:04] <megaproxy> :D
[18:04] <megaproxy> id use my TBM to tunnel down my garden
[18:04] <dirty_d> but i think the ethernet cable would get twisted
[18:04] <megaproxy> and feed cable through it
[18:05] <dirty_d> lol
[18:05] <megaproxy> but its more just so i can say i built a TBM
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[18:06] <traeak> dirty_d: interesting, that command shows 19x12@60 should be available
[18:06] <traeak> dirty_d: ie: mode 60
[18:06] <traeak> 69 even
[18:06] <dirty_d> 1900 or 1920?
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[18:08] <traeak> 1920x1200@60
[18:08] <traeak> anyways
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[18:08] <traeak> i'm sure stuff is broken all over the place
[18:08] <dirty_d> you put hdmi_mode=2?
[18:08] <traeak> xrandr doesn't show anything but 60hz
[18:08] <traeak> yup
[18:08] <dirty_d> you tried that and got a blank screen?
[18:09] <dirty_d> did `LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m DMT` show any other modes?
[18:09] <dirty_d> i meant hdmi_group=2
[18:09] <megaproxy> mmm dmt
[18:09] <Caver> did you try the config_hdmi_boost=4 command?
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[18:14] <megaproxy> ok so
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[18:14] <megaproxy> if i were to build a TBM for boring into normal garden soil
[18:14] <megaproxy> with some gravel
[18:14] <megaproxy> what would you use as the tbm face.
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[18:15] <Caver> erm ... have you got the right channel?
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[18:15] <dirty_d> megaproxy, what diameter would this be?
[18:16] <dirty_d> megaproxy, id use regular mild steel
[18:16] <megaproxy> probs 15/20cm
[18:16] <dirty_d> oh so tiny
[18:16] <megaproxy> yea small
[18:16] <dirty_d> yea mild steel
[18:16] <Caver> nah ... cast iron .. much stronger than steel
[18:16] <dirty_d> it doesnt need to be that strong though
[18:16] <dirty_d> for that size and garden soil
[18:16] <Caver> and cheap, as it'll wear fast, so you have to replace it
[18:17] <dirty_d> its harder to work with though
[18:17] <dirty_d> mild steel is easy to cut and weld
[18:17] <megaproxy> mm
[18:17] <megaproxy> it should be a fun project
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[18:17] <megaproxy> not too complicated to get working
[18:17] <megaproxy> but making the parts is a bit... challenging
[18:17] <dirty_d> how would it work?
[18:17] <megaproxy> ive no idea
[18:17] <traeak> it's a hanns-g 27" monitor...what fun
[18:17] <dirty_d> what would keep it from rotating in the hole
[18:17] <megaproxy> probably with some tracks out the back
[18:17] <megaproxy> with a spring
[18:17] <megaproxy> to keep presure on them
[18:17] <megaproxy> so it cant move unless the motors move it
[18:18] <megaproxy> so like it "expands" into the hole
[18:18] <dirty_d> how will the tracks get into the hole?
[18:18] <megaproxy> i guess id predig a starting hole
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[18:18] <megaproxy> like, a station for it
[18:18] <megaproxy> maybe a drain pipe of sorts
[18:18] <Caver> :)
[18:18] <megaproxy> so it can go home, stay dry, and charge
[18:18] <dirty_d> megaproxy, i think an extandable drill would work better
[18:18] <megaproxy> then continue on
[18:18] <dirty_d> make the face of the drill
[18:18] <dirty_d> and pipes that connect together
[18:19] <dirty_d> and then make some sorta motor to power it
[18:19] <megaproxy> i wish i was good at CAD
[18:19] <dirty_d> push it into the hole
[18:19] <dirty_d> when the motor gets up to the hole detach it and add another shaft segment
[18:19] <dirty_d> then pull them out detaching one at a time
[18:19] <megaproxy> hmmm
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[18:19] <megaproxy> what would be SUPER neat
[18:19] <megaproxy> and impossible
[18:19] <dirty_d> giant laser?
[18:19] <dirty_d> lol
[18:20] <megaproxy> was if i could get the tbm to spray plastic on the walls of the hole
[18:20] <megaproxy> so it wont collapse
[18:20] <Caver> ahahah
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[18:20] <megaproxy> like they do with real ones, but with concrete
[18:20] <megaproxy> ohman that would be sweet
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[18:20] <dirty_d> i think it would be in the way of the bit when you gotta pull it out
[18:21] <dirty_d> unless you have an ending hole to pull it out oin the other end
[18:21] <IT_Sean> you keep going through to the other side, then.
[18:21] <dirty_d> megaproxy, what are these holes for?
[18:21] <megaproxy> you just dont stop
[18:21] <megaproxy> dirty_d, idk
[18:21] <megaproxy> im a man
[18:21] <megaproxy> i like holes.
[18:21] <dirty_d> hahaha
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[18:21] <IT_Sean> hey now
[18:21] <Caver> lol
[18:21] <megaproxy> ayyyyeoh
[18:21] <megaproxy> or
[18:21] <megaproxy> for cablin
[18:21] <Caver> big ones or little ones?
[18:21] <megaproxy> or something
[18:21] <megaproxy> cat run?
[18:21] <megaproxy> cat trap...?
[18:22] <IT_Sean> What are you drilling a hole in?
[18:22] <dirty_d> megaproxy, whata bout two tubes of plastic sheet that the boreer pulls through
[18:22] <dirty_d> one inside the other
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[18:22] <dirty_d> you infalte the outer one
[18:23] <dirty_d> then inject some kinda epoxy into it
[18:23] <dirty_d> then inflate the inner one forcing the epoxy into a thin tube
[18:23] <megaproxy> does anyone actually wana start planning out a TBM project?
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[18:23] <megaproxy> make it all opensource plans
[18:23] <megaproxy> for lols mainly
[18:23] <IT_Sean> This sounds really overly complex for a hole.
[18:23] <megaproxy> it would be a fantastic hole though
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[18:24] <dirty_d> dirt removal seems like a problem
[18:24] <traeak> ugh how many monitors have to fail ?
[18:24] <dirty_d> traeak, whats happening?
[18:25] <IT_Sean> don't you keep a stock pile of spare monitors?
[18:25] <traeak> dirty_d: switched over to a soyo, another 1920x1200 ... testing different modes...
[18:25] <traeak> IT_Sean: yeah but it sucks to have to haul them out
[18:25] <dirty_d> traeak, you do have the hdmi_group=2 right?
[18:25] <traeak> dirty_d: bouncing back and forth
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFnD8OmpEt8 megaproxy
[18:25] <dirty_d> traeak, tried config_hdmi_boost=4?
[18:26] <traeak> ie: trying to find any mode that works other than basic vga
[18:26] <traeak> dirty_d: i have that by default right now
[18:26] <megaproxy> dirty_d, re removal, a big belt
[18:26] <megaproxy> or buckets
[18:26] <megaproxy> like from, toys
[18:26] <megaproxy> excavation toys
[18:26] <SpeedEvil> megaproxy: These are air-hammers, which drag pipe
[18:26] <megaproxy> but i want a mini TBM
[18:26] <megaproxy> the aim is not to make a hole
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[18:27] <megaproxy> but to make a TBM, that can make a hole.
[18:27] * megaproxy loves tbm's
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mrPwXwchSc
[18:27] <Caver> rule 34 ....
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> Or they come in rather larger sizes
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[18:27] * IT_Sean saw a massive TBM recently.
[18:27] <traeak> unfortunately none of these monitors are exactly *new*, probably 4yro or more
[18:28] <megaproxy> if i had sound, im pretty sure that would be loud.
[18:28] <dirty_d> watch the end of this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861gWjRtgVU&feature=endscreen&NR=1
[18:28] <dirty_d> lol
[18:29] <traeak> hdm_group=2 mode=4 works (640x480)
[18:29] <traeak> probably same as 1/1
[18:29] <megaproxy> haha
[18:29] <megaproxy> the end
[18:29] <megaproxy> massssssssssssssive poop
[18:29] <Caver> very good dirty_d
[18:29] <IT_Sean> O_o
[18:30] <traeak> i have a pair of even older 1680x1050 monitors, one of them an iz3d, all of them DVI
[18:30] <traeak> or i disconnect my own monitor
[18:31] <Habbie> has anyone tried http://crna.cc/magenta.html on the pi?
[18:31] <Caver> traeak, hdmi_force_hotplug=1 ... on mine it looks at VGA before the DVI connection, so the Pi never sees it as a device
[18:32] <traeak> Caver: will try that then as well
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[18:33] <traeak> so the current status is i can't do anyting but 640x480 vga, not 800x600, etc...is this thing just super picky about monitors or i have to have something that's new ?
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[18:33] <Caver> hmm you've got ssh working?
[18:33] <traeak> yes
[18:34] <Caver> if you select 1600x1200, what does the /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s command report?
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[18:34] <traeak> if the mode doesn't start i get nothing on either
[18:34] <rotozip> Anyone going to be following WWDC today?
[18:34] <Caver> also type "dmesg" in and look for obvious error's
[18:34] <oldman> Where can I get hold of an raspbmc image? The link on Raspbmc site seems to be broken. Raspberry pi.org mirrors this site but I can not find the link.
[18:35] <Dysk> oldman, http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/os-x-linux-installation/ ?
[18:35] <Dysk> Oh wait, no.
[18:35] <Caver> http://download.raspbmc.com/downloads/bin/installers/raspbmc-win32.zip
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[18:36] <oldman> Dysk: That link is broken.
[18:36] <oldman> Dysk: I have no windows in my home.
[18:36] <Dysk> oldman, http://download.raspbmc.com/downloads/bin/ramdistribution/installer-testing.img.gz ?
[18:37] <sraue> oldman, or try OpenELEC: http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/ and http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi
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[18:37] <oldman> Dysk: Ok I will try again thanks.
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[18:37] <traeak> so test_mode stuff doesn't work right now?
[18:37] <Cheery> Heh
[18:37] <Dysk> oldman, that's what the latest post on the main page of raspbmc.com implies, anyway.
[18:37] <oldman> sraue: I have the OpenELEC image.
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[18:37] <Cheery> I opened famicom disk version from the Legend of zelda title theme.. then the youtube messed up and played it twice faster
[18:38] <Cheery> it sounded like a sick fart
[18:38] <sraue> oldman, then you have all you need :-)
[18:38] <oldman> Dysk: I can not get it to find the links. I get error 404.
[18:39] <Dysk> oldman, strange, it works from here...
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[18:39] <traeak> could the hdmi port be toast?
[18:39] <oldman> sraue: The OpenELEC image does not configure my network. I was hoping Raspbmc would.
[18:40] <oldman> Dysk: I will try again thanks
[18:40] <sraue> oldman, sure thats you must do... per default it works with dhcp
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[18:40] <traeak> i guess move from arch over to debian and see
[18:41] <dirty_d> traeak, tried disable_overscan=1?
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[18:41] <oldman> sraue: The network adapter on my Rpi is not configured with OpenELEC xbmc.
[18:42] <oldman> sraue: It works on DEbian
[18:42] <sraue> oldman, it works for all users, why not for you? if network dont work use your usb devices via a powered usb hub
[18:43] <oldman> sraue: You mean a usb wifi adapter
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[18:43] <sraue> no i mean the LAN chip
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[18:44] <oldman> sraue: I have not tried that. It may be the solution.
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[18:46] <lennard> whoa. ratio for friggles torrent 26
[18:46] <lennard> I better start watching my limit :P
[18:49] <friggle> lennard: you beat me, I'm 19.88
[18:50] <friggle> but I limit upload of course, because otherwise it's not so pleasant for those downloading via http
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[19:00] <bolosaur> p....please.....
[19:00] <bolosaur> tell me... tell me there are new pis available....
[19:01] <bolosaur> p...lea...s.e.........
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[19:02] <nidO> there are new pis available on a daily basis
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[19:04] <Butcho> how can I buy like 10 of these things
[19:04] <ShiftPlusOne> ebay
[19:05] <megaproxy> http://imgur.com/a/JHYws
[19:05] <megaproxy> and they said it couldnt be done
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> they probably said shouldn't
[19:06] <megaproxy> haha
[19:06] <megaproxy> why shouldnt :P
[19:06] <Butcho> waht is CraftBukkit?
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> bolosaur, there are new Pi's avalable... every day. You just need to wait your turn...
[19:07] <NucWin> minecraft server with api
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[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne> shouldn't that just be bukkit? isn't craftbukkit the actual API?
[19:07] <parag0n> oh god WHY
[19:07] <NucWin> guessing its using a lot of swap space
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[19:07] <megaproxy> they renamed a while back
[19:08] <megaproxy> well, kinda?
[19:08] <megaproxy> i think the serverstuf is called craftbukkit
[19:08] <megaproxy> but the project is just bukket
[19:08] <megaproxy> or something
[19:08] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[19:08] <NucWin> but it will be changing again as bukket team now work for mojang
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[19:08] <megaproxy> ^
[19:09] <NucWin> bukkit*
[19:09] <megaproxy> and we will get a good api
[19:09] <megaproxy> finally
[19:09] <ShiftPlusOne> wow
[19:10] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it has been a while since I gave up my server.
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[19:10] <megaproxy> ive been running one since it came out haha
[19:10] <megaproxy> rebranded a few times
[19:10] <megaproxy> now running as minecraft wars.
[19:11] <megaproxy> its dead atm as we are waiting for 1.3
[19:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Where is it hosted?
[19:11] <megaproxy> then we reset/new map etc
[19:11] <megaproxy> its hosted on a dedi
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[19:11] <megaproxy> specs: http://rts.minecraft-wars.com
[19:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I mean where in the world is it hosted
[19:11] <megaproxy> with hetzner
[19:11] <megaproxy> germany, sorry
[19:11] <megaproxy> haha
[19:11] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
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[19:12] <Butcho> anyone running tomcat on raspberrypi ? is it slow?
[19:12] <ShiftPlusOne> jeebus that's a lot of memory
[19:12] <megaproxy> :P
[19:12] <bolosaur> gordonDrogon
[19:12] <NucWin> lol 33GB ram
[19:12] <bolosaur> i read the first half of your message to me
[19:12] <bolosaur> and my heart filled with joy
[19:12] <bolosaur> then i read the second half
[19:12] <megaproxy> minecraft loves to suck up ram
[19:12] <bolosaur> and, well
[19:12] <NucWin> java loves it
[19:12] <megaproxy> indeed
[19:13] <megaproxy> i thought id give it enough to feed off :D
[19:13] <NucWin> the one thing i dont like about android is the java
[19:13] <bolosaur> lets just say you've turned me from the light
[19:13] <NucWin> where ios is better
[19:13] <bolosaur> my mind is now shrouded in darkness
[19:13] <bolosaur> im a dark linux user
[19:13] <NucWin> open some windows
[19:13] <bolosaur> i sit in the shadows with a fedora, smoking a cigarette
[19:13] <bolosaur> as i type the darkest of linux commands
[19:13] <bolosaur> this is what youve turned me into.
[19:14] <megaproxy> i prefer android to ios
[19:14] <megaproxy> by lots
[19:14] <megaproxy> and jelly tots
[19:14] <megaproxy> etc
[19:14] <bolosaur> I've never used an Android device that didn't like.
[19:14] <bolosaur> .
[19:14] <bolosaur> didn't lag.*
[19:14] <NucWin> i wont buy an apple product but i do dislike java
[19:14] <bolosaur> when scrolling etc
[19:14] <traeak> the new linaro stuff :-p
[19:14] <megaproxy> mine dosent lag.
[19:14] <megaproxy> neither did my previous one
[19:14] <megaproxy> :/
[19:14] <bolosaur> Every Android user says their device doesn't lag, but then I try it and see that scrolling/animations are done at like
[19:14] <megaproxy> htc desire/ galaxy s2
[19:15] <bolosaur> 10-30 FPS
[19:15] <bolosaur> sometimes it lags like heck
[19:15] <NucWin> mine lags a little at times but thats prob all the junk i have installed
[19:15] <megaproxy> even low fps
[19:15] <NucWin> i have Desire HD
[19:15] <megaproxy> i wouldnt care
[19:15] <megaproxy> thats vanity
[19:15] <traeak> so which is preferable? applications crashing (ios) or hard locking (android) ?
[19:15] <bolosaur> i tried an android tablet with a fresh install
[19:15] <bolosaur> and even out of the box
[19:15] <megaproxy> hard locking?
[19:15] <bolosaur> it lagged when sliding between desktops/screens
[19:15] <bolosaur> thats pretty bad man
[19:15] <megaproxy> wat
[19:15] <traeak> applicatioh locks up and becomed unresponsive
[19:15] <megaproxy> bolosaur, ive never had that experience
[19:15] <megaproxy> traeak, again, never had that happen
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[19:16] <megaproxy> if mine crash it just force closes
[19:16] <bolosaur> megaproxy: That's weird man. It's pretty much the only reason I dislike Android.
[19:16] <megaproxy> bolosaur, maybe i just dont see it?
[19:16] <bolosaur> And I keep going into stores and borrowing friends' devices to see if anything has changed in that regard
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[19:16] <megaproxy> im not really looking out for it so idk
[19:16] <bolosaur> but it's always the same story :(
[19:16] <bolosaur> heh alright
[19:16] <megaproxy> so like
[19:16] <megaproxy> would it affect the notification bar?
[19:16] <bolosaur> I don't know. To me visual consistency and presentation is just as important as the technology backing it up.
[19:16] * megaproxy will play now
[19:16] <traeak> megaproxy: never had an application on android just lock up. the application can be killed but in order to restart it without the app locking up again i find i need to reboot the android system
[19:16] <megaproxy> what phone is it?
[19:17] <traeak> nook color/viewsonic gtablet
[19:17] <traeak> seen it happen on both
[19:17] <megaproxy> odd :Z
[19:17] <megaproxy> the one time my phone locked up
[19:17] <megaproxy> was when i was rooting it.
[19:17] <megaproxy> it bricked
[19:17] <megaproxy> haha
[19:17] <traeak> the phone doesn't lock up, but applications do
[19:17] <megaproxy> luckilly it was within 14 days of purcahse
[19:17] <megaproxy> so i sent it back saying its broken, send another
[19:17] <megaproxy> no questions asked
[19:18] <megaproxy> traeak, is it the same app each time?
[19:18] <megaproxy> its more than likley some compatibility thing
[19:18] <traeak> megaproxy: tends to be games
[19:18] <NucWin> im going to root after ive sent my phone to have proximity sensor fixed under warranty
[19:18] <traeak> megaproxy: pocket legends definitely has that behavior
[19:18] <traeak> i've seen other apps lock up too
[19:18] <NucWin> nice how HTC now provide the tools for rooting
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> ? Do they?
[19:19] <NucWin> yups
[19:19] <NucWin> dev.htc.com i think
[19:19] <megaproxy> yea they became cool about it
[19:19] <megaproxy> its nice
[19:19] <megaproxy> im waiting for samsung to do the same
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I have a desire Z and last time I tried, it said I needed a "gold card" ...
[19:19] <megaproxy> i love samsung
[19:19] <traeak> ahh much better
[19:19] <traeak> POS finally booted
[19:19] <megaproxy> s3 looks so bawla
[19:19] <Scepterr> hardly cool
[19:19] <NucWin> htcdev.com
[19:19] <Scepterr> doesnt unlock all the partitions
[19:19] <trevorman> eh. kind of cool about it
[19:19] <trevorman> what Scepterr said
[19:19] <megaproxy> gordonDrogon, im pretty sure unrevoked would do that with 1 click
[19:19] <IT_Sean> I wish more companies were like that. Let people do whatever they want to the hardware, with the forewarning that tinkering with it voids the warrenty.
[19:19] <trevorman> its better than how it used to be
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[19:20] <NucWin> still need a gold card but HTC have now provided the tools to create one without using dodgy site
[19:20] <megaproxy> they should sell it like they do PC's
[19:20] <megaproxy> you CAN change things
[19:20] <megaproxy> but if you peel the sticker..
[19:20] <megaproxy> the sticker being rom or w.e
[19:20] <NucWin> advantage to the HTC root is the security and bootloader are still locked
[19:21] <NucWin> but it does allow os and recovery partition changes
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> Hm. well, I might give it a go later. Actually, I like my phone as it is, however I stupidly deleted my google account the phone first locked itself into and now it won't access marketplace, etc.
[19:21] <IT_Sean> I used to have a computer like that. The CPU jumpers were clearly marked, but had a warenty voiding sticker.
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[19:21] <NucWin> security is to keep the telco's happy your not going to use your phone on another provider
[19:21] <trevorman> NucWin: it would be nice if you could still update your baseband from official firmware without actually applying the whole RUU though
[19:21] <NucWin> and the bootloader lock is to try and stop you bricking your phone
[19:21] <trevorman> sort of understand why they don't though
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[19:23] <ratherDashing> does everyone else have to chmod a+rw /dev/vchiq every time they reboot?
[19:23] <ratherDashing> i'm on raspbian
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> I don't even know what it's for ...
[19:24] <trevorman> its the interface to the GPU
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 253, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/vchiq
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> it appears to be 666 for me ...
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[19:24] <gordonDrogon> I guess I don't use the GPU ...
[19:24] <ratherDashing> omxplayer will error out if you are a regular user and you don't run that chmod command
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[19:25] <ratherDashing> crw------T 1 root root 253, 0 Dec 31 1969 /dev/vchiq
[19:25] <trevorman> its actually a security risk having that world writeable
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[19:25] <ratherDashing> that's what i have before the chmod
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> so it was 666, then you changed it to ... 666 ?
[19:26] <trevorman> it was 600 before
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[19:26] <traeak> dirty_d: ugh finally got it working...best to actually get the system totally upgraded first
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> Hm. mine is 666 from boot - raspbian.
[19:27] <ratherDashing> hmm that's really odd, i wonder why
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> was it Gert of the Gertboard fame who did the PCB layout for the Pi?
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> fresh reboot and: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 253, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/vchiq
[19:29] <ratherDashing> what the heck
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[19:29] <ratherDashing> do you think loading the bcm audio driver screws this up?
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> /etc/init.d/vchiq does a chmod.
[19:30] <ratherDashing> i don't have a vchiq in /etc/init.d ....
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[19:30] <ratherDashing> what image are you running? what does the file say inside?
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> raspbian.
[19:31] <ratherDashing> the pisces v1 or v2?
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/vchiq
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> the what?
[19:32] <ratherDashing> http://raspbian.org/PiscesImages
[19:32] <ratherDashing> right now it says "Download R2" but below is the older one, R1
[19:32] <NucWin> lol @ people charing ??5 to install deb onto your sd card
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> Oh, never seen those. I've had my raspbian for some weeks now.
[19:33] <lastebil> hey, question for those running debian (I'm running arch, so I can't say.)
[19:33] <lastebil> friend is running debian and his pi will not stay running overnight.
[19:33] <lastebil> is anyone else using debian having that issue?
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> not me.
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> all my Pi's run for as long as they have power...
[19:34] <lastebil> k. this does not bode well then.
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[19:34] <trevorman> lastebil: its only debian? what happens when it "stops"?
[19:34] <lastebil> well, the question then may be "is it getting power the full time" - but as he's an electrician, I think I can rule that out with some certainty
[19:34] <blkhawk> i need a gee-wiz demo for my rasberry - how far along are the mediaplayer distros?
[19:34] <lastebil> trevorman: He has reported it 'not running overnight' so I imagine lockup, not kernel panic.
[19:35] <trevorman> lastebil: idk. he might have a PSU thats under 5V or not able to supply enough current etc...
[19:35] <lastebil> again, he's an electrician, so I would suspect that isn't it, but I _am_ going to ask (:
[19:35] <lastebil> as, well, the other possibility is his is a faulty board, which I would hope is NOT the case.
[19:35] <lastebil> so I am hoping he did something silly like try to use a 3V power supply.
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[19:37] <Butcho> stability issues have been reported even at 4.75 volts across the TP1 and TP2 terminals
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[19:38] <trevorman> what Butcho said
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[19:39] <trevorman> slightly low PSU + bad cable + the voltage drop across the polyfuse on the RPi and it could drop quite significantly
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[19:39] <trevorman> get your friend to measure across TP1 and TP2
[19:39] <zgreg> https://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux/commits/sdhci-perf-cleanup <-- cleaned up the SDHCI fixes now
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[19:39] <trevorman> zgreg: nice work
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[19:41] <friggle> zgreg: Naren seems to think it's not valid to remove the custom clock
[19:41] <zgreg> why?
[19:41] <zgreg> it does EXACTLY the same
[19:41] <zgreg> well, plus a bug
[19:41] <friggle> "There is a valid reason we have the custom clock and this is because our controller is clocked a little bit differently than what the SDHCI spec expects."
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[19:42] <NucWin> is it possible to change the clock settings from the pi its self or is it easier to do on another computer?
[19:42] <NucWin> thinking of seeing if i can script overclocking
[19:42] <zgreg> friggle: btw, where can I reach naren?
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[19:43] <trevorman> NucWin: script overclocking?
[19:43] <trevorman> you can edit it from the rpi if you want to
[19:43] <friggle> zgreg: he doesn't tend to interact directly, we have to forward things to him and relay messages ;) He does common on github sometimes though
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[19:43] <friggle> *comment
[19:43] <ratherDashing> NucWin: /boot/config.txt put in arm_freq=800 to overclock it to 800
[19:43] <trevorman> not sure how you'd script it though
[19:43] <trevorman> if you're trying to make it determien the max
[19:43] <friggle> zgreg: and is subscribed to http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-rpi-kernel which is a good place for patch review (aside from pull requests)
[19:44] <ratherDashing> i have arm_freq=800 and sdram_freq=500
[19:44] <dirty_d> would lowering the temp mean higher overclock without overvolting?
[19:44] <NucWin> yeh thinking making some stability tests eg run something to test cpu/gpu/x264
[19:44] <IT_Sean> dirty_d: no.
[19:44] <NucWin> then have a script keep increasing the clock till it crashes
[19:44] <IT_Sean> You can only go SOOO fast without overvolting.
[19:44] <dirty_d> IT_Sean, would it mean safer overvolting?
[19:44] * IT_Sean shrugs. Even OC'd, you shouldn't have to worry about temperature.
[19:45] <trevorman> NucWin: ah. guess that would work. you'd need to review whatever was set in config.txt and reduce it a little though once you did discover it hung/crashing/rebooting
[19:45] <NucWin> yups thats my plan
[19:45] <IT_Sean> THen again, if you are going to OV & OC, it wouldn't hurt to watch your temps
[19:45] <traeak> OC is eevil
[19:45] <traeak> imean OV
[19:45] <traeak> undervolt is cool
[19:46] <trevorman> dirty_d: as with all electronics, it would help a bit but it is unlikely you'd get any really significant improvement though
[19:46] <linlin> anyone exploring rpi to be used as a car pc ?
[19:46] <traeak> i never had much good from overclocking under linux
[19:46] <ReggieUK> Given how unstable drivers and hardware is atm, I probably wouldn't bother overclocking anything just yet
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> linlin: In some ways it's ideal for limited uses
[19:46] <ratherDashing> i've had no issue running mine at 800mhz
[19:46] <ReggieUK> there will always be someone that says 'Works great for me'
[19:46] <friggle> yeah, I've never known of an issue at 800mhz
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> linlin: For example - if you want to run it into a 3" composite monitor in a guage.
[19:46] <trevorman> its not going to make a RPi that can only do 850 suddenly do 1ghz if thats what you're wondering. not without some truly heroic cooling and you'd probably find it delaminates the board or breaks the pop memory chip off
[19:46] <ReggieUK> without knowing why it works great
[19:46] <ReggieUK> for about an hour
[19:47] <ReggieUK> and then the magic smoke arrives
[19:47] <dirty_d> trevorman, an amd cpu was overclocked to 8GHz on liquid helium
[19:47] <ReggieUK> or a n00b will say oooh, that sounds excellent, I'll try that
[19:47] <ReggieUK> and fries their pi immediately
[19:47] <trevorman> dirty_d: i'd class that as truly heroic cooling :P
[19:47] <linlin> SpeedEvil, im referig to it as actually being installed in the vehicle
[19:47] <dirty_d> lol
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> linlin: Well - yes
[19:47] <trevorman> my rpi actually gets really hot when you keep it at 100% CPU+GPU
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> linlin: I mean behind a 3" screen as a fake guage, for example
[19:48] <trevorman> hot enough that I can't leave my finger on there
[19:48] <ReggieUK> trevorman, what would you class water AND peltier cooling for a DSLR camera/
[19:48] <ReggieUK> ?
[19:48] <linlin> just wondering if anyones doing it already as a place i can look at to start off with and get ideas
[19:48] <traeak> so is there any reallygood reason to keep 128MB with the GPU ?
[19:48] <markus_> hello internet
[19:48] <dirty_d> playing 720p mine is just warm
[19:48] <zgreg> friggle: I'll take a look at it. anyway, I think a scope doesn't lie and proves nicely that my assumptions are correct
[19:48] <ratherDashing> trevorman: yeah i walked over to mine about an hour into a 720 mkv file and put my finger on, i could leave it on there for 20-30 seconds, but it was pretty hot
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[19:48] <trevorman> ReggieUK: somebody who doesn't like the idea of ever moving their camera around without a fishtank and a car battery? >.>
[19:48] <ReggieUK> hehehehe :)
[19:49] <dirty_d> linlin, im planning on it sometime probably
[19:49] <trevorman> ratherDashing: playing a video is actually cooler lol
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[19:49] <ReggieUK> trevorman, http://stargazerslounge.com/topic/146756-1100d-cold-finger-sensor-cooling-with-tec-and-water-cooling/page__pid__1540786__st__280#entry1540786
[19:49] <trevorman> ratherDashing: its when you leave it on the xbmc menu that its at 100% cpu all the time + whatever the gpu is doing
[19:49] <dirty_d> maybe interface an accelerometer to display performance
[19:49] <trevorman> ratherDashing: thats when its ouch - don't want to touch that again
[19:50] <ReggieUK> there's a bunch of pictures at the bottom of that page
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[19:50] <ratherDashing> i haven't used xbmc yet, i'm waiting for them to get more stable
[19:50] <ReggieUK> one of them you can see the cpu cooling block She's using
[19:50] <trevorman> ReggieUK: figured it would be astronomy. they <3 chilled sensors because of their crazy long exposures
[19:50] <ratherDashing> plus i like having a real distro that i can do stuff (like be on irssi like i am right now)
[19:50] <ReggieUK> sure but imho that is a tad overkill
[19:51] <friggle> zgreg: what did you measure with a scope?
[19:51] <ReggieUK> it iced up the sensor
[19:51] <trevorman> lol
[19:51] <ReggieUK> it's supposed to replace the more commericial units
[19:51] <ReggieUK> which are 2-300 quid
[19:52] <ReggieUK> but she already naffed one camera :D
[19:52] <ReggieUK> so it kind of defeats teh object
[19:52] <zgreg> friggle: it's not me, but someone (competent) on the forums
[19:52] <zgreg> friggle: and he measured the frequency on the SD clock line
[19:52] <friggle> zgreg: I'll ask him if he can drop by the thread and clarify
[19:53] <NucWin> so 3v 5GHz running in bath of oil?
[19:53] <trevorman> yeah. I can see icing up the sensor as being pretty deadly for it :)
[19:53] <zgreg> maybe naren refers to the programmed clock mode that is not working on the bcm2835?
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[19:53] <zgreg> if that's the case, it's not being used
[19:54] <ReggieUK> zgreg, is that the system clock or .....?
[19:54] <zgreg> ReggieUK: no, that's just the SD clock, nothing special to it
[19:54] <zgreg> SD uses a synchronous interface
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[19:57] <MarcN> Anyone tried the 2012-06-12 image yet? Does it include openssh-server by default? I'm completely headless and blind typing to install it is no fun.
[19:57] <dirty_d> use qemu
[19:58] <friggle> MarcN: you mean the wheezy image I posted?
[19:58] <friggle> MarcN: ssh will start by default. First boot takes a little longer than usual
[19:58] <ratherDashing> friggle: are you making a raspbian image as well or just debian?
[19:59] <friggle> ratherDashing: when this armel release is out I intend to produce an identical image using raspbian packages
[20:00] <ratherDashing> sweet. this may be a dumb question, but my /dev/vchiq comes up with weird permissions and i saw that some people have a vchiq file in their init.d, do your images have that file or have the issue with the vchiq permissions?
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[20:00] <friggle> ratherDashing: I have a udev rule
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[20:01] <ratherDashing> ok cool, thanks
[20:01] <friggle> ratherDashing: here https://github.com/asb/spindle/blob/master/wheezy-stage1#L123
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[20:01] <friggle> assumes your user is a member of the video group of course
[20:03] <ratherDashing> yep, which i am, thanks
[20:03] <ratherDashing> did you add the /opt/vc/lib directory somewhere that ldconfig picks it up?
[20:03] * ratherDashing is trying to think of all the stuff he did to fix the debian image :)
[20:04] <friggle> ratherDashing: you bet
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[20:06] <ratherDashing> well then i'm pretty much out of ideas! thanks for working on that image, i'll be looking forward to the raspbian version
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[20:11] <phoque> does the device automatically raise HDMI power if I am not using a config.txt setting?
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> ratherDashing, Just FYI: Both my Raspbian and Standard Debian have /etc/init.d/vchiq scripts and both have /dev/vchiq set to 666.
[20:11] <phoque> for some reason the output will be OK without a file but will not work if I put it in place
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> HDMI power is hardwired - I think.
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[20:13] <gordonDrogon> yes it is - just checked the cirduit diagram. +5V is wired to the boards +5V supply.
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[20:16] <Cheery> slow day today
[20:17] <dirty_d> annual report, FML
[20:17] <Cheery> I implemented caption with modified-flag, delete-remove-text, select-all, copy&paste into my structural editor.
[20:19] <n4z> hi everyone i just got my rpi couple of days ago, im wondering would it be possible to get it to communicate with unity 3d i want to send some data like " say something " and the pi uses that data in espeak and it speaks it out .. ??
[20:20] <dirty_d> of course
[20:21] <n4z> any suggestions how i can start this
[20:21] <Cheery> how good are you at networking and unity?
[20:22] <n4z> im ok with unity havent played with networkingso much i was thinking serial port like arduino
[20:22] <ratherDashing> gordonDrogon: I put in the udev rule that friggle gave to me since that is going to be the standard way going forward
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> ratherDashing, I have udev )-:
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> ratherDashing, oop, I hate udev.
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[20:53] <MarcN> friggle, thanks for the ssh-server info. FWIW we now have it connected to our TV using the composite line. So don't need to worry about blind typing now.
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[20:55] <Butcho> what dsitro are you using that doesn't have openssh-server ?
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[21:12] <gordonDrogon> Butcho, Debian comes with openssh-server, but it's not enabled by default.
[21:13] <Butcho> I've found that I've had to sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start to make it run the first time
[21:14] <lee> anybody have a recommendation for a good small USB hub to use with the rpi?
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[21:15] <Butcho> any from this list: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Powered_USB_Hubs
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[21:16] <ratherDashing> lee: I got the 7 port powered one from monoprice
[21:17] <ratherDashing> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1a40:0201 Terminus Technology Inc. FE 2.1 7-port Hub
[21:17] <ratherDashing> that's what usb says it is
[21:17] <ratherDashing> *lsusb
[21:17] <neofutur> lee: powered usb hub or not poweered ?
[21:17] <mjr> unpowered would make zero sense with the pi
[21:18] <lee> ratherDashing: is it silver in the middle with two black curved pieces housing the ports?
[21:18] <neofutur> i agree but still asking
[21:18] <neofutur> powered ones are not the smallest
[21:18] <lee> neofutur: powered, preferably wants 5v with a 2.5mm DC jack
[21:18] <ratherDashing> lee: I am googlefuing it right now
[21:18] <ratherDashing> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10307&cs_id=1030702&p_id=5328&seq=1&format=2
[21:18] <ratherDashing> dar she blow
[21:19] <neofutur> lee: I ordered this one : http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-ports-powered-usb-hub-678
[21:19] <ratherDashing> i have this powering my Pi as well as driving a bluetooth dongle and a powered usb hard drive
[21:19] <ratherDashing> i also charge my phone off it when i'm home
[21:19] <lee> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250992988193 that's what I've got, doesn't work when I try to power the pi off of it with a StarTech USB Y cable
[21:20] <Butcho> thats ratherDashing
[21:20] <ratherDashing> for $13 it works pretty darn well, it wasn't the cheapest i could find on the internet but monoprice always makes quality stuff
[21:20] <Butcho> it powers your pi too ? wow
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[21:21] <ratherDashing> yeah, so i only have to use 1 ac plug
[21:21] <lee> and by "doesn't work", I mean if I have both of the USB Y cable USB A plugs connected to it, and the other end to rpi power, I get frequent USB errors
[21:21] <lee> (this is without having the USB uplink connected)
[21:22] <lee> neofutur: that looks similar (but not identical - plastics are slightly different but otherwise the same) to what I have here
[21:22] <Butcho> recommend a good 5v/microusb to power the pi as well from monoprice? so I can give my wife her kindle charge cable back
[21:22] <ratherDashing> Butcho: monoprice has good stuff, fair prices, but i don't have a 5v/microusb plug
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[21:23] <lee> Butcho: ISTR reading that the rpi wants 700mA minimum, so if you wanted to power it via USB, you'd need a Y cable to allow you to plug into 2x500mA USB ports, and then feed to the rpi
[21:24] <ratherDashing> 750ma is it's max draw, it usually cruises are 300-400 IIRC
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[21:24] <ratherDashing> people have it powered from the tv's usb port no problems, just don't plug anything into the usb port
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[21:25] <Dagger2> you can often draw more than 500 mA from USB though. some motherboards explicitly advertise that as a feature even
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[21:27] <neofutur> lee: have a look at http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Powered_USB_Hubs
[21:28] <lee> oh cool, thanks!
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[21:29] <lee> wow, I am looking on the board to try and identify it. I could do a better soldering job than that, and I SUCK
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[21:35] <syadnom> hi all, hows it going?
[21:36] <syadnom> anyone here running debian wheezy?
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[21:38] <ratherDashing> i'm on raspbian which is wheezy
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[21:41] <syadnom> ratherDashing, is there an option to get armel packages/kernel instead of armhf?
[21:41] <syadnom> I want to try out bohdi linux/e17 but armhf binaries are hard to find
[21:41] <ratherDashing> on raspbian you can't (well you can, but nobody wants to have two sets of libraries and stuff)
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[21:42] <ratherDashing> just compile them armhf
[21:42] <ratherDashing> or boot into regular armel wheezy and try it
[21:42] <dirty_d> whats the el stand for?
[21:42] <ratherDashing> backup yer sd card, put debian wheezy on, tinker, back it up, flash raspbian back on, etc. or get another sd card
[21:42] <syadnom> ratherDashing, how do I boot armel wheezy?
[21:42] <ratherDashing> its on their site
[21:43] <syadnom> really?
[21:43] <ratherDashing> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[21:43] <ratherDashing> thats armel
[21:43] <ratherDashing> sorry that's squeeze, you wanted wheezy
[21:43] <syadnom> but it's squeeze
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[21:43] <syadnom> yeah, need wheezy for bohdi repos
[21:44] <ratherDashing> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8071
[21:44] <syadnom> and e17 has deps > squeeze for armel
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[21:44] <ratherDashing> that's wheezy armel
[21:45] <MarcN> syadnom, got one of my kids downloading and installing wheezy on a new flash card...
[21:45] <syadnom> MarcN, nice!
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[21:46] <MarcN> syadnom, hes a freshman CS student. I'm making sure he is linux savvy
[21:47] <syadnom> be nice if the rpi had just a little more CPU, but I'm happy enough to have such a thing on the market :)
[21:47] <ratherDashing> great way to learn: "go forth and break things, then proceedith to google and fix them"
[21:47] <syadnom> yep
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[21:47] <MarcN> If you run them w/o X there is plenty of CPU!
[21:47] <syadnom> I keep running into the issue that most arm packages are compiled for armel, so the armhf kernel in wheezy is causing me issues.
[21:47] <ratherDashing> i interview programmers and you'll be surprised how many people's answer isn't "google" to the question of "when you don't know how to do something, what is the first thing you do"
[21:48] <syadnom> MarcN, I want to run X :)
[21:48] <syadnom> I read up on e17 and want to see how it performs on the rpi.
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[21:49] <syadnom> Thinking of moving my install over to a fast USB key (keep SD as /boot) for some more performance if e17 is functioanl
[21:49] * MarcN the greybeard says: "Back in my day X11 ran just fine on a 2MB VAXstation. Kids these days..."
[21:49] <chris_99> hehe
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[21:51] <MarcN> I had ThinkUpApp running great on my RPi - apache2, mysql, php5 + libs
[21:51] <neofutur> syadnom: it works when with faster cpu, overclockeed at arm_freq=930 gpu_freq=350 sdram_freq=500
[21:52] <ratherDashing> wow, 930
[21:52] <ratherDashing> i have mine at 800
[21:52] <neofutur> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Tested_values
[21:52] <ratherDashing> what the heck does overclocking he gpu do now? nothing really uses it
[21:52] <neofutur> uptime
[21:52] <neofutur> 20:50:24 up 16:57, 3 users, load average: 2.11, 2.16, 2.14
[21:52] <neofutur> emerge -e world, very stable on load for 17 hours now
[21:52] <neofutur> with those settings
[21:53] <ratherDashing> yer using gentoo?
[21:53] <neofutur> yes
[21:53] <syadnom> are you putting a heatsink on the pop package?
[21:53] <MarcN> neofutur, why? (Serious question)
[21:53] <neofutur> the first bootable image on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f15-Gentoo-Linux.html
[21:53] <ratherDashing> what the heck, how long does it take you to compile all the dumb updates?
[21:54] <friggle> 930 without overvolting is impressive
[21:54] <neofutur> MarcN: because i like it and use it on dedicated servers for 8 years now
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> lee, I'm using a 4-port powered LOGIK hub. Works fine for me.
[21:55] <ratherDashing> do you precompile the updates and push them out to yer servers or do you take an outage with gentoo
[21:55] <neofutur> because its the only distro with a full support of a hardened kernel ( grsec )
[21:55] <MarcN> neofutur, why not cross compile it? I'm assuming gentoo supports it.
[21:55] <ratherDashing> i would always think it would be a server admin's nightmare
[21:55] <neofutur> because its easy to rebuild a package with different options
[21:55] <lee> gordonDrogon: I have ordered a hub on the "works" list from 7dayshop (they are currently out of stock)
[21:56] <neofutur> because the IRC support is much better than debian one
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> lee, I got moe from PCworld...
[21:56] <neofutur> because gentoo respect upstream
[21:56] <neofutur> because its easy to upgrade or downgrade
[21:56] <MarcN> neofutur, okay, we get it, you love gentoo. ;-)
[21:56] <lee> I don't have access to a PC World/Currys/Dixons/etc
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> lee, fairynuff!
[21:56] <Ben64> MarcN: have you met gentoo people before?
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[21:57] <MarcN> Ben64, no, but I've meet RONPAUL2012 fans, so in someways yes
[21:57] <neofutur> ok i ll stop giving reasons/answers
[21:57] <Ben64> heh
[21:58] <neofutur> MarcN: yes better cross compile for the pi, my emerge -e world is made to test the pi staility, on high load with overclocking
[21:58] <neofutur> and for noew its stable ;)
[21:59] <neofutur> ratherDashing: not a server admin nightmare, when i compile packages, the server works, not me
[21:59] <neofutur> the server will losse some time building things, i save time
[22:00] <Ben64> its just too much hassle
[22:00] <neofutur> whatever i need its just a matter of chging u esu flag to rebuild a package with different options or optimizations
[22:00] <neofutur> changing a use flag
[22:01] <neofutur> same thing if I eed to upgrade or downgrade something
[22:01] <neofutur> Ben64: there are gentoo people here, and we made a #rpi-gentoo channel fyi ;)
[22:01] <Ben64> i know you exist
[22:01] <Ben64> it just never makes sense
[22:02] <friggle> I'm a big fan of Gentoo ebuilds, but moved away from Gentoo some time ago for the sake of convenience
[22:02] <ratherDashing> neofutur: you compile on a live production server?
[22:02] <ratherDashing> what the who?
[22:02] <ratherDashing> if i did that, i would be sans job
[22:02] <neofutur> yes and its never been a problem
[22:03] <neofutur> nice -20 if needed and only root can use gcc
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[22:03] <neofutur> ratherDashing: and i m my own boss, with happy customers
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> get a cheap hosted VPS to do cross compiling if you don't have the hardware...
[22:04] <Ben64> gentoo is like a religion for some
[22:04] <syadnom> Ben64, bingo
[22:04] <Ben64> reason doesn't work
[22:04] * neofutur never trusting any binary or black box
[22:04] <Ben64> tin foil hat time?
[22:05] <bootc> http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/06/11/yet-another-new-kernel-3-2-19/
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.18+ #3 PREEMPT Sun May 27 12:05:58 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> 19 already... Hmmm
[22:06] <neofutur> ratherDashing: http://pastebin.com/1p9VCjU5
[22:06] <neofutur> try to have such a good paxtest on a non gentoo server
[22:06] <neofutur> ( without the full PIE/SSP toolchain gentoo provide )
[22:06] <rigel> neofutur: and clearly you hand-code your assembler and c compiler in hex, using a keypad, right?
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[22:07] <rigel> i seem to recall there being some experiments back in the 80s about malicious compilers being able to insert backdoors
[22:07] <Ben64> almost nobody cares about paxtest
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> it wasn't an experiment, it was for real...
[22:07] <rigel> and the current hubbub about backdoored chips themselves makes it all moot
[22:08] <neofutur> rigel: no , and i cant even see the eelation
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/back-door.html
[22:08] <rigel> * neofutur never trusting any binary or black box
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[22:09] <neofutur> rigel: http://www.grsecurity.net/~spender/exploits/exploit2.txt
[22:09] <neofutur> this is the kind of backdoor you are talking of
[22:09] <neofutur> trust grsec, not selinux
[22:09] <neofutur> (where having SELinux enabled actually increases your risk against a large class of kernel vulnerabilities)
[22:10] <rigel> is that class smaller than the class of vulns that you prevent by using SELinux?
[22:10] <neofutur> grsec and http://pastebin.com/1p9VCjU5 should protect me from most of those backdoors
[22:10] <neofutur> process will be killed instantly
[22:10] <Ben64> nothing will protect you from everything
[22:10] <neofutur> I said _most_
[22:10] <Ben64> so why take so much more time to use gentoo
[22:11] <neofutur> not _everything_
[22:11] <mikey_w> Pulling the plug may or may not protect you.
[22:11] <neofutur> i dont loose time
[22:11] <neofutur> I d loose more time using deian
[22:11] <Ben64> mikey_w: not if someone takes the computer physically :)
[22:11] <neofutur> only the CPU loose time with gentoo, not me
[22:11] <Ben64> lose*
[22:11] <mikey_w> Physical control is the first defense.
[22:11] <Ben64> and you do lose time as well
[22:11] <Ben64> because you have to wait for things to compile
[22:12] <Ben64> and time = money
[22:12] <neofutur> I know better than you if i lose time or not
[22:12] <neofutur> you know better than me if you lose time or not
[22:12] <Ben64> unless you have a time machine you do
[22:12] <Ben64> and if you're using a time machine just to eliminate compile time... then you're doing it wrong
[22:13] <neofutur> Ben64: waiting fo things to compile is not a problem with 8 3ghtz core and -j8 and ccache
[22:13] <dirty_d> i used to use gentoo
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> I always wanted to use gentoo, but never had the time to get into it...
[22:13] <neofutur> i m rrely in such a hurry i cant wait 5 mins to upgrade a package
[22:14] <neofutur> rarely
[22:14] <neofutur> ( and if needed i can make a binhost )
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[22:15] <neofutur> waiting 5 mins is not a loss of time for me, i can work on something else while things are compiling
[22:15] <neofutur> so its not what I call losing time
[22:15] <dirty_d> im very impatient so i switched to arch
[22:16] <dirty_d> if i need a custom compile i use a PKGBUILD
[22:16] <dirty_d> which is 1% of the time
[22:16] <ratherDashing> if arch wasn't armel i would try it out
[22:16] <dirty_d> ratherDashing, are you doing heavy floating point stuff?
[22:16] <dirty_d> the archlinux-arm guys were saying they might make a hard fp repo if they get another server or something
[22:17] <ratherDashing> well i did some experiments, playing FLAC music and just general putzing around the system
[22:17] <ratherDashing> the hard fp makes a difference
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[22:20] <dirty_d> hmmm
[22:20] <traeak> oof
[22:20] <traeak> the archlinux-arm stuff is soft ?
[22:20] <ratherDashing> yassir
[22:20] <dirty_d> no
[22:20] <dirty_d> softfp
[22:21] <dirty_d> soft means floating point math is done in software not using the fpu
[22:21] <mkopack> Only Gentoo and Raspbian are supporting hardfp right now
[22:21] <dirty_d> softfp means that the floating point math is done in the fpu, but float arguments are passed in integer registers
[22:22] <syadnom> 10-15% armel (soft fp) vs armhf is what I read
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[22:22] <traeak> that's ouch
[22:22] <traeak> well arch has support for armv5 and armv7
[22:22] <mkopack> It largely depends on what you're doing, but yes, it does make a perf difference
[22:22] <dirty_d> i think i can rebuild every package i have hard
[22:22] <dirty_d> will take time
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[22:23] <traeak> the arch kernel supports hardfp ?
[22:23] <mkopack> If you're doing lots of FP math, then the hardfp is a must and will make a big diff
[22:23] <dirty_d> traeak, im not sure if the kernel makes a difference
[22:23] <dirty_d> i think its only the userspace libraries etc
[22:23] <dirty_d> not positive though
[22:23] <traeak> dirty_d: for properly restoring state for context switching i think it matters
[22:23] <dirty_d> oh
[22:24] <dirty_d> you can recompile the hernel hard anyhow
[22:24] <dirty_d> hernel(hard kernel)
[22:24] <traeak> sure
[22:24] <dirty_d> lol
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[22:28] <ratherDashing> i think flac must use lots of fp math
[22:28] <ratherDashing> because that was the biggest gain i saw
[22:28] <chaoshax> http://dabdig.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/running-squeezeslave-on-raspberry-pi.html
[22:28] <chaoshax> This works really well.
[22:28] <demifuror> hey guys, is it possible to install aix on rpi?
[22:28] <chaoshax> Very cheap sound client
[22:28] <ratherDashing> flac playback killed it on softfp and wasn't breezy on hardfp
[22:29] <mikey_w> Isn't AIX x86?
[22:29] <traeak> demifuror: you have source for AIX ?
[22:29] <ratherDashing> i do not believe aix is open source
[22:29] <ratherDashing> and the binary drivers are linux drivers
[22:29] <traeak> i dont' think IBM ever played with ARM
[22:30] <ratherDashing> so even if you did get it to boot, you won't be able to do anything fun
[22:30] <demifuror> ah okay, no worries
[22:30] <demifuror> thanks anyway! :)
[22:30] <demifuror> was just curious, think i'll go for my beloved arch instead...
[22:30] <ratherDashing> np
[22:30] <ratherDashing> i really hope arch goes hardfp
[22:30] <traeak> well
[22:31] <traeak> frankly it IS hardfp
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[22:31] <traeak> if you have armv7
[22:31] <ratherDashing> haha yeah
[22:31] <traeak> armv6 is really rpi only
[22:31] <ratherDashing> sadly i don't :)
[22:31] <traeak> that i know of
[22:31] <traeak> i guess cortex-m0 or sometihng is armv6
[22:31] <traeak> not sure if it has a vfp
[22:31] <dirty_d> hmm, i dont think it will be that much trouble recompiling all the arch packages i have for hard fp
[22:31] <plugwash> cortex-m are microcontroller cores
[22:32] <ratherDashing> off to the gym and then home, adios
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[22:32] <plugwash> and IIRC they are thumb mode only
[22:32] <the_cuckoo> can anyone advise a good powered usb hub which works for the raspi - and preferably can power the raspi itself? (or, in my case, can provide a charge to a solar panel which is actually powering the raspi)
[22:33] <plugwash> I think the main place you find armv6 cores is older/lower end smartphones
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[22:38] <Butcho> the_cuckoo: someone linked this earlier and said he was powering his pi with it. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10307&cs_id=1030702&p_id=5328&seq=1&format=2
[22:39] <the_cuckoo> Butcho: cool - thanks
[22:39] <Flaviolib> usb hub should be powered?
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[22:40] <the_cuckoo> yup - want to build it into the case if i can - then have one power cable going in and it'll power the pi and a couple of other devices
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[22:42] <Flaviolib> ok, but normaly I can use a usb hub not powerded, right?
[22:43] <Flaviolib> I`m asking couse dont have it yet
[22:43] <the_cuckoo> unsure, but i doubt it
[22:43] <Butcho> I wouldn't
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[22:44] <the_cuckoo> i'd go for the one you posted Butcho, but it seems a bit overkill go get that shipped all the way from the states
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[22:45] <Butcho> I understand your dilemma but someone has it actually working. That could be worth the extra price.
[22:45] <the_cuckoo> yeah - appreciate that :)
[22:46] <the_cuckoo> will bookmark it for now
[22:47] <Butcho> ratherDashing is the user that has it working just in case you want to confirm with him.
[22:48] <the_cuckoo> cool - thanks for info
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[22:54] <traeak> cool, 73MB/s throughput on the mele SATA controller
[22:54] <traeak> probablythe drive thorughput
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[23:01] <WASDx> How limited is cluster technology? Is it theoratically possible to combine a number of RPis to get a fully functioning computer with all their RAM combined for instance?
[23:02] <WASDx> although it would be quite slow ram speeds, might as well use swap in that case
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[23:03] <WASDx> My question is also if software has to be optimized for clusters or not.
[23:04] <traeak> it's not worth it wth the rpi
[23:04] <traeak> single USB port is all you get
[23:05] <traeak> maybe the pins can do something to get more throughput i dunno
[23:06] <urs> WASDx: there's no easy way to have a cluster of machines appear as a single, larger computer
[23:07] <urs> You can combine a cluster of raspberries via openmpi, no problem.
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[23:07] <traeak> something like plan9 is more condusive to setting that up
[23:07] <urs> But you have to modify your applications to actually make use of this
[23:08] <WASDx> urs: I see, thanks
[23:08] <Matt> the think to remember about clustering is that your inter-node connection is going to be massively slower (both in throughput and latency) than communication within a node
[23:08] <Butcho> found it. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0047AALS0/ref=ox_ya_os_product might need that to power a PI off of a usb hub since they might be hardcoded to only output 500ma
[23:09] <Matt> which is why in large HPC (high performance computing) clusters, they use something like Infiniband as the interconnect
[23:09] <Matt> or Myrinet, or suchlike
[23:09] <WASDx> urs: But I think it would be theoretically possible, just no software for it today? To make several computers appear as one.
[23:09] <Matt> ethernet sucks as an interconnect :)
[23:09] <Matt> WASDx: it's highly inefficient
[23:09] <urs> WASDx: sure, yes. Silicon graphics Altix machines do that for example
[23:10] <Matt> typically you write your code around an MPI library
[23:10] <urs> but unless you have incredibly fast interconnects, it will be very very slow.
[23:10] <Matt> and that provides communication between threads
[23:10] <Matt> then the underlying MPI implementation deals with communication between nodes
[23:10] <traeak> basically the cost of fast interconnects ends up dwarfing the cost of the machines themselves
[23:10] <WASDx> yeah i see. Comparing ram-speeds to ethernet proves how slow it would be
[23:11] <urs> The Cray XT series of supercomputers for example, is just a way to scale up the Hypertransport interconnect of opteron cpus
[23:11] <Matt> that way you can write your code to be aware of the fact it's spread across a whole load of nodes and only pass the information between nodes that you need to
[23:11] <WASDx> especially for daily use. I see how software as BOINC could send out tasks which separate machiness compute and return a result
[23:11] <urs> Parallel programming is still very hard. Unfortunately.
[23:12] <Matt> urs: that it is
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[23:13] <gordonDrogon> I've worked for 2 massively parallel supercomputer type companies in the past....
[23:13] <traeak> i prefer to call it "distributed computing"
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> it's still non-trivial.
[23:14] <traeak> our stuff is heavily multithreaded
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> the question that was always asked: "I have this 30 year old FORTRAN program - can you make it go faster?"
[23:14] <traeak> runs about linear...we've only tested on 64 cores though
[23:14] <traeak> hehe
[23:14] <traeak> #1 don't use 30yro hardware
[23:14] * urs is running massively parallel plasma simulations for his PhD thesis
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> so you end up with a solution like the Pi - libraries that execute on the hadrware in the background while the foregound just needs re-linking.
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> traeak, really... people have old old programs and wil not change them - we'd make them go X times faster, but if they re-write them they'd got x^2 times faster... (sort of thing) )-:
[23:15] <WASDx> Is PiBot running on a pi yet? I asked that half a year ago and then the answer was no.
[23:16] <Matt> gordonDrogon: we had a great one to solve - code that was executing a lot slower than we'd expect, which on closer inspection was spending a large chunk of time in iowait
[23:16] <GabrialDestruir> So, apparently if I run this movie via USB, it's got all sorts of buffer issues, but streaming it across network it seems to just be fine.
[23:16] <traeak> gordonDrogon: yup, unrealistic expectations....its fun to compete with companies that do that
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[23:16] <Matt> NFS storage (big batch system)
[23:16] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if that's somehow related to the USB power issues.
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[23:17] <Matt> turns out the code written in the days when 4MB was a lot of RAM
[23:17] <traeak> ugh, NFS is aged, haven't tested the "cloud" alternatives yet though
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[23:17] <Matt> so it was doing successive matrix manipulation using temp files
[23:17] <SpeedEvil> hah
[23:17] <traeak> heh, yeah that's bad
[23:17] <SpeedEvil> malloc() -> 100k speedup?
[23:17] <traeak> Matt: just stick in an SSD it'll run way faster :-p
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> what I find amusing is a suptercomoputer I helped build 20 years ago now is about the same power as a Pi...
[23:17] <Matt> so it was basically creating and deleting these temp files as fast as the array would let it
[23:18] <Matt> traeak: that's basically what we did :)
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> actually, that's not quite right - however it's along the lines.
[23:18] <GabrialDestruir> Time travel!
[23:18] <Matt> except they were 10k SATA disks IIRC
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> anyone know how many cores the Pi chip has?
[23:18] <traeak> what kind of cores? :-p
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: It depends how you define core.
[23:18] <Matt> given that this was 10 years ago
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Probably at least two turing complete cores.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> Hmmmm.
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> my phone has I think 12.
[23:18] <GabrialDestruir> Take todays current technology into the past, advance humanity by 60 years
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> The LED controller has a turing complete processor on it.
[23:19] <oldtopman> LOL
[23:19] <Matt> we couldn't change the code - too much red tape
[23:19] <buzzkill> hey everyone. Just got my R-Pi. Having a bit of an issue... maybe someone knows how to help me find a solution. Unpackaged, wrote the debian6 image to an SD. Connected Keyboard, Ethernet, HDMI, and power. I have an orange light on the board for power, but no signal to the monitor or link on my switch.
[23:19] <buzzkill> no other led's lit on the board.
[23:19] <traeak> buzzkill: went thortugh this this morning..you have to hack the video
[23:19] <traeak> buzzkill: plug in ether?
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> buzzkill, double-check the SD card on another PC first.
[23:19] <traeak> no ether lights then ?
[23:20] <buzzkill> yes. I have Ethernet plugged in, no other lights on PCB.
[23:20] <trevorman> PWR will always light up if there is power
[23:20] <trevorman> if nothing else lights up and you've got ethernet plugged in then its not booting
[23:20] <traeak> buzzkill: do what gordon said: check sdcard
[23:20] <GabrialDestruir> If it's only the power light, I'd say that the image wasn't written properly
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[23:20] <buzzkill> gordonDrogon: what would I check for? Is it an ext3 image?
[23:20] <GabrialDestruir> Plug it into your computer, and see if you can see the boot partition
[23:21] <GabrialDestruir> That's the first step
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> buzzkill, the first partition is FAT32, so readable by anything.
[23:22] <buzzkill> 3 partitions on the image
[23:22] <GabrialDestruir> You'll know it's the boot partition cause it'll have stuff like "start.elf" and "cmdline.txt"
[23:22] <buzzkill> fat32, linux and linux swap
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> you only need to look at the first - see if the files GabrialDestruir mentions are there.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> if so, then that's a good start.
[23:23] <Butcho> you sure it's orange and not red?
[23:24] <traeak> (swap is eevil)
[23:24] <buzzkill> I have nothing to compare it to on this board, but it certainly looks more orange than red.
[23:24] <GabrialDestruir> Someone needs to build/design a sort of USB Ram thing.
[23:25] <trevorman> the PWR LED is only one colour anyway and will always light up that single colour if power is present
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[23:25] <buzzkill> yes, it is the pwr led. so, orange it is.
[23:26] <trevorman> its just wired across the 5V input so the CPU can't turn it off even if it was wanted to
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[23:26] <GabrialDestruir> The power led is always red...
[23:26] <trevorman> you got any other SD cards to try? sometimes it is a bit picky
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, the power LED is software controlled...
[23:26] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: no its not
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, no - forget that. Doh.
[23:26] <buzzkill> um.. .maybe. Brand new 8GB SanDisk Extreme III
[23:26] * gordonDrogon thinking of the 'OK' led..
[23:26] <trevorman> yup :)
[23:26] <trevorman> probably can take over the ethernet LEDs as well
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> buzzkill, what class?
[23:27] <trevorman> the SMC chip talks about how you can turn them into GPIOs
[23:27] <buzzkill> 10
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> buzzkill, class 10's might not work...
[23:27] <buzzkill> bought it for use with my Nikon, but didn't use it yet.
[23:27] <GabrialDestruir> So you could program the Ok LED to do various stuff?
[23:27] <buzzkill> D'oh!
[23:27] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: yes
[23:27] <buzzkill> well, hell's bells.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, not quite - it's used by the kernel to indicate SD card activity..
[23:28] <trevorman> 1. check that you wrote the image correctly. 2. try a different SD card. 3. try updating the bootloader files.
[23:28] <trevorman> buzzkill: ^
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[23:28] <GabrialDestruir> I think..... I'd swap 2 and 3
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[23:28] <trevorman> that works
[23:28] <trevorman> do the kernel as well
[23:28] <GabrialDestruir> Try updating the bootloader files then try another sdcard.... that way you're not messing around with multiple cards needlessly.
[23:29] <buzzkill> ok, I just have to get a linux box that supports (and can mount) this SD card.
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> buzzkill, you can do the update on a Win PC.
[23:29] <GabrialDestruir> Just use a VM
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[23:29] <gordonDrogon> or a MAc.
[23:29] <trevorman> buzzkill: you can update the bootloader + kernel from any PC
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[23:29] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, also any firmware updates are on the Boot partition which is Fat something or another and therefore windows friendly
[23:29] <trevorman> they're kept on the first partition which is FAT
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[23:30] <trevorman> buzzkill: grab the files from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[23:30] <buzzkill> well, to answer the previous question.. I see start.elf and cmdline.txt
[23:31] <trevorman> there should be more than that....
[23:31] <buzzkill> yes, there are.. but the question was do I see those files.
[23:31] <trevorman> minimum is start.elf, bootcode.bin, loader.bin and kernel.img
[23:31] <Butcho> I've always gotten a mmc0: timeout waiting for interrupt
[23:31] <buzzkill> I see 11 files
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[23:31] <Butcho> when using a bad SD card
[23:31] <GabrialDestruir> Seem slike there'd be a better way to keep a computer protected with an AV than have it run 8 hour scans .-.
[23:31] <traeak> what's an AV? audio-visual something ?
[23:31] <trevorman> antivirus
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[23:31] <GabrialDestruir> antivirus, yea.
[23:32] <traeak> how do you get those?
[23:32] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: sure. run a niche OS like haiku
[23:32] <traeak> or niche like linux
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[23:32] <GabrialDestruir> You don't need one for the Pi, I'm just annoyed it takes 8 and a half hours to scan my entire computer.
[23:33] <Draylor> hah
[23:33] <Draylor> i suppose you could run clamav on a pi, it'd be idiotic but it could be done :)
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[23:33] <trevorman> ew clamav would be slooooooooow
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir> And that was in a PX enviroment or w/e it's called, so it was running JUST the AV scan
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> I run ClamAV on Linux servers overnight ...
[23:34] <GabrialDestruir> and of course the power outages aren't helping at all -.-
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[23:34] <Jef91> Can anyone recommend a power adapter for the pi for me?
[23:34] <Jef91> Prefer to get it from amazon
[23:34] <GabrialDestruir> Nook power adapter+cord for the nook touch work for me, but it's only a measly 500mA
[23:35] <buzzkill> ok, updated the files... still just orange. =(
[23:35] <syadnom> I have a few from 550-700mA, all work well
[23:35] * buzzkill goes to find a different SD card.
[23:35] <buzzkill> thanks for the tips!
[23:35] <chaoshax> Just get a PC psu and have no more hassle.
[23:35] <chaoshax> ?10 from your local computer shop if you beg
[23:35] <trevorman> except for it being a bit big :P
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[23:36] <GabrialDestruir> The problem with a PC psu, is it'd use up more electricity than you'd need :p
[23:36] <trevorman> and probably 50x more current than the rpi will ever want or could use
[23:36] <Butcho> buzzkill: try a class 4
[23:36] <chaoshax> Or deal with unreliable power chargers
[23:36] <trevorman> HP Touchpad chargers work well
[23:36] <buzzkill> Butcho: If I have a C4, I will use it.
[23:36] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if someone will actually build a full blown psu/hdd/etc for the Pi in a normal computer case.
[23:36] <buzzkill> Thanks everyone, I will check back if I have any more questions.
[23:36] <chaoshax> Yeah, usually I find these chargers are not too reliable.
[23:36] <Butcho> preferably on the http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards (although doesn't guarantee it will work)
[23:37] <chaoshax> GabrialDestruir, Counter productive.
[23:37] <GabrialDestruir> True....
[23:37] <traeak> both cards i tried worked
[23:37] <GabrialDestruir> We need USB 3.0 -nods-
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[23:37] <traeak> grabbec a micro class10 8gb from mickeycenter
[23:37] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: a laptop would be a better idea imo
[23:37] <traeak> ahd some ancient 1GB pqi card
[23:37] <trevorman> getting HDMI for the LCD might be annoying though
[23:37] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[23:38] <trevorman> not even considering DSI as that seems to be a minefield regarding support
[23:38] <chaoshax> Are they propitiatory?
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> any udev experts here?
[23:38] <GabrialDestruir> A prebuilt one exists trevorman
[23:38] <GabrialDestruir> Atrix Laptop Dock
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> I need to create a /dev entry that's a symbolic link to another /dev entry at boot time...
[23:38] <chaoshax> Small LCD is better for a lot of uses.
[23:38] <GabrialDestruir> You just need to make a conversion cord thing, and then you've got a screen keyboard, powered USB hub, the works.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> and I could just edit /etc/rc.local, however I'm wondering in udev can do it..
[23:39] <trevorman> chaoshax: the DSI and CSI interfaces are standard but commands and registers are specific to the display + camera
[23:39] <chaoshax> You can get 8" screens for less than ?50
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[23:39] <chaoshax> I see.
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[23:39] <trevorman> CSI is most probably just going to be the RPi camera unless somebody does some mad reverse engineering and can root out the datasheets for whatever module they're trying to use
[23:40] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6747
[23:40] <trevorman> it hangs off the GPU as well so thats an extra complication
[23:40] <GabrialDestruir> It wouldn't take much to convert thatinto a neatly little packaged laptop, maybe mount the Pi to the back of the screen or something.
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[23:41] <Jef91> would 5volt 1200MAH work OK?
[23:41] <trevorman> you're trying to power it off a battery?
[23:41] <Jef91> ma*
[23:41] <Jef91> 1200ma
[23:41] <trevorman> yeah that'd be fine
[23:41] <Jef91> kk
[23:41] <Jef91> just didn't want to burn the damn thing out
[23:42] <Jef91> waited so long for it :)
[23:42] <trevorman> more current is fine
[23:42] <trevorman> more voltage is bad
[23:42] <Jef91> perfect
[23:42] <Jef91> n900 charger it is
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir> Heh... that'd suck
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[23:42] <chaoshax> Are there headers for 5v and GND?
[23:42] <trevorman> yes. its on the expansion connector pins
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir> "It's here it's here!" -plugs in and watches it sizzle-
[23:42] <chaoshax> I see, I was considering hacking up a mini usb :D
[23:43] <trevorman> 3.3V, 5V, ground, I2C, SPI, 3.3V UART and a bunch of GPIOs
[23:43] * passstab glares at GabrialDestruir
[23:43] <chaoshax> Probably safer actually doing that.
[23:43] <trevorman> safer than what?
[23:44] <chaoshax> Powering from the headers, just incase you plug it in the wrong connectors.
[23:44] <chaoshax> = Nasty
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[23:45] <GabrialDestruir> What would suck the most in my opinon is the wait after you fry your Pi
[23:46] <trevorman> the expansion connector doesn't have the overcurrent or reverse voltage protection. you'd need to bypass the USB fuses as well if you wanted to power 100mA+ devices
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[23:46] <chaoshax> Oh I was talking about powering the pi
[23:46] <chaoshax> From headers instead of usb.
[23:46] <chaoshax> Not powering other devices from the pi
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[23:46] <trevorman> ah okay
[23:47] <trevorman> then yeah just 5V into the expansion connector will be fine for you
[23:47] <chaoshax> Yeah I was saying that it's not particularly advisable just incase you plug into the wrong header
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[23:47] <chaoshax> Anyway night
[23:48] <trevorman> night
[23:48] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if you could setup a fuse system or something that'd sit between the Pi and a breadboard, accidently short something you blow a fuse instead of a Pi
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[23:49] <trevorman> its already there on the rpi for the usb power input
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[23:50] <trevorman> its not really going to protect very much though
[23:51] <traeak> okay compilation ont he rpi is extremely painful
[23:52] <trevorman> yes
[23:52] <GabrialDestruir> I wouldn't say painful..... just needlessly slow.
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[23:54] <traeak> wonder how much of that is the sd card
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[23:54] <buzzkill> ok, different SD card (Class 6, slowest I've got). Same result.
[23:54] <buzzkill> what was that about hacking the video?
[23:55] <traeak> if you aren't getting lghts on the ethernet
[23:55] <Butcho> tried using composite?
[23:55] <trevorman> its not booting at all so HDMI or composite shouldn't matter
[23:55] <buzzkill> I do not think I have the right cabling for composite.
[23:56] <trevorman> it should boot without any display attahced at all
[23:56] <traeak> it definitely should
[23:56] <buzzkill> typical boot time?
[23:56] <buzzkill> maybe I am just impatient?
[23:56] <trevorman> less than a minute?
[23:56] <buzzkill> ok, then not impatient.
[23:56] <traeak> i screwed up my first card..killed the boot during ssh key generation
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[23:57] <buzzkill> no jumpers need setting, right?
[23:57] <traeak> so i couldn't get into it
[23:57] <buzzkill> your first card? I have been waiting since March.
[23:57] <buzzkill> this is my first card.
[23:57] <buzzkill> =)
[23:57] <trevorman> you should see some signs of life on the LEDs if its booting
[23:57] <traeak> buzzkill: i started this morning
[23:57] * buzzkill could only order one card.
[23:58] <trevorman> I think traeak means SD card and not RPis
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[23:58] <buzzkill> so, status: one orange led. no display, no other 'life'. new SD card, Class 6.
[23:58] <trevorman> what PSU you using?
[23:59] <trevorman> you get really weird behaviour if voltage is low
[23:59] <buzzkill> the one recommended by Newark.
[23:59] <buzzkill> plugged into a UPS
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