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IRC Log for 2012-06-12

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[0:00] <buzzkill> can I use an iPhone USB => Power connector?
[0:00] <trevorman> yeah
[0:00] <buzzkill> or will that make the smoke happen?
[0:00] <syadnom> it will work fine
[0:00] <trevorman> it'll be fine
[0:01] <buzzkill> same result.
[0:01] <buzzkill> charger was 5V 1000mA
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> buzzkill, were you able to read the SD card in your PC OK?
[0:01] <buzzkill> yes
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> did you try updating?
[0:01] <buzzkill> and update the files (boot firmware)
[0:01] <buzzkill> yes.
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> ok
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> sorry - I was AFK for a bit.
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[0:02] <traeak> seems the mele compiles ~3x faster (c++ code)
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> what video output?
[0:02] <romaxa> which k-module I need to enable for ethernet over USB/OTG enabling? is that supported?
[0:02] <buzzkill> HDMI
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> nothing at all - not even a square with rainbow colours?
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[0:03] <buzzkill> nada
[0:03] <buzzkill> just an orange light on the PCB
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> anyone local to you with a working Pi to check with?
[0:04] <GabrialDestruir> Near the edge of the board?
[0:04] <GabrialDestruir> by that I mean the edge closer to the ethernet port
[0:04] <buzzkill> nope
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[0:04] <buzzkill> I live in a wasteland of tech.
[0:04] <buzzkill> =)
[0:05] <buzzkill> GabrialDestruir: were you asking me that question?
[0:05] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
[0:05] <trevorman> romaxa: the USB power input is only for power
[0:05] <nidO> buzzkill where is your wasteland?
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[0:05] <romaxa> trevorman: ah, ok, so network only throug ETH port...
[0:05] <trevorman> yeah
[0:05] <buzzkill> GabrialDestruir: the orange LED is between the audio and the USB
[0:05] <trevorman> or USB dongle
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[0:06] <GabrialDestruir> http://rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/
[0:06] <trevorman> the USB power input doesn't actually have the data lines connected at all
[0:06] <buzzkill> I am in Northern Virginia. But at the very southern part. Nothing here but us rednecks.
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[0:06] <GabrialDestruir> Right, but is it closer to the USB edge or closer to the audio
[0:06] <alien2601> Has anyone here tried to use a USB wireless dongle with the standard Debian OS that comes shipped with Pi?
[0:06] <nidO> plenty of us
[0:07] <alien2601> Works? Have any models that work easily?
[0:07] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: its silk screened so its going to be the power led
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[0:07] <zimba12> hi
[0:07] <friggle> if anyone has a wireless usb dongle that has free firmware and could let me know exactly what you need to get it to work on my latest wheezy image, I can try to make sure it will work out of the box
[0:08] <buzzkill> GabrialDestruir: closer to the audio.
[0:08] <zimba12> is there some xbmc release that works? I am not able to watch movies with the debian distro
[0:08] <GabrialDestruir> I've never seen the power led orange though, the only orange one on mine is the one closest to the USB edge, which makes me wonder if it's a QC issue.
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[0:08] <buzzkill> It is just the pwr LED
[0:08] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: its reddish/orangeish to me
[0:09] <trevorman> thats mainly because its a tiny SMD LED
[0:09] <buzzkill> yea, I guess it _could_ be red...
[0:09] <buzzkill> but an orange red.
[0:09] <buzzkill> =)
[0:09] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, mine looks clearly red to me, I guess it would depend how people view colors xD
[0:09] <trevorman> its silk screened anyway so thats def the PWR LED
[0:09] <Helldesk> ehhhh... I'm trying to install openelec but it requires a tool called "syslinux" that does not exist, at least not in debian (arm)
[0:09] <nidO> alien2601 most will work, realtek RTL8188CUS based devices are common (as theyre tiny + cheap), they dont work out of the box but there are precompiled modules + tons of guides floating round
[0:09] <nidO> can get it working within a couple of minutes
[0:09] <Helldesk> there's syslinux-common but that did not help
[0:09] <trevorman> Helldesk: you're trying to install the x86 version of openelec
[0:10] <trevorman> Helldesk: or you mean that createsd script?
[0:10] <trevorman> never actually used that >.> lemme read it again
[0:10] <nidO> friggle: that'd be a good one to get working on wheezy if not already too, seems to be a fairly popular adaptor
[0:10] <Helldesk> create_sdcard wants it
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[0:10] <sraue> Helldesk, you are sure?
[0:11] <alien2601> nidO: Great recommendation ... will see if I can get one working .. thanks for the headsup !!
[0:11] <Butcho> link me a wireless usb dongle that works right now without any fuss and I'll buy it
[0:11] <GabrialDestruir> That doesn't sound right.... anyways, buzzkill, check the map, maybe you'll find someone close to you with a Pi
[0:11] <Helldesk> I will double check if I downloaded the right version of openelec... one interesting thing was that INSTALL (that is supposed to contain the instructions) is 0 bytes long
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[0:11] <friggle> nidO: I don't have a wireless dongle annoyingly, and haven't had someone voluntee to work with me to get their's working out the box
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[0:11] <Jef91> Does anyone know if this image is armel or armhf? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8071
[0:11] <Helldesk> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi I did download the latest build linked there
[0:11] <Jef91> It doesn't say on that page
[0:12] <buzzkill> one person...
[0:12] <Helldesk> http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/
[0:12] <trevorman> sraue: yeah it def wants it
[0:12] <trevorman> its present in git
[0:12] <nidO> alien2601: Micronext MN-WD552B and Edimax EW-7811Un are examples of adaptors using that chip
[0:12] <Helldesk> well, there's a newer one already, I'll get that
[0:12] <friggle> Jef91: armel
[0:12] <Jef91> Awesome!
[0:12] <trevorman> Helldesk: just chop out the bit about syslinux from the script
[0:12] <Jef91> Exactly what I need friggle
[0:13] <friggle> Jef91: great. (I'm asb and thus posted that thread ;))
[0:13] <nidO> friggle: i've got 2 pis and 2 micronext adaptors, i'll get wheezy up on one of them
[0:13] <Jef91> friggle fantastic - I plan to build Bodhi Linux for Pi on top of that image
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[0:14] <sraue> Helldesk, trevorman, i see, sorry... comment out this lines, its not needed
[0:14] <Butcho> so Edimax EW-7811Un is a good adapter?
[0:14] <nidO> Butcho: it wont work out of the box on the current debian install but takes like 2 minutes to get going, there're loads of guides available
[0:15] <buzzkill> ok. Just so I have everything else correct... I should just write the image to the SD card, plug in SD, USB Keyboard, Ethernet, HDMI, and then power... and all is _supposed_ to go, right?
[0:15] <nidO> i'm pretty sure someone on the forum's put together an auto setup script for it to
[0:15] <Jef91> will that image fit on a 4GB SD card friggle?
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[0:15] <friggle> Jef91: it will fit on a 2gb card
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[0:15] <friggle> Jef91: and includes a script to resize the root partition to take up all available space
[0:16] <Jef91> 4 is the smallest I own, so also perfect
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[0:16] <Jef91> Whew
[0:16] <Jef91> that is nifty
[0:16] <Jef91> I might have to steal that for some of my other ARM builds
[0:16] <trevorman> buzzkill: yes
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[0:16] <friggle> in fairness the fedora 14 release had that from day one. It's one thing it had going for it :)
[0:16] <trevorman> buzzkill: what USB keyboard you trying?
[0:16] <buzzkill> Dell
[0:16] <trevorman> buzzkill: actually, just try power + ethernet + SD card. nothing else
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[0:17] <buzzkill> Power + Ethernet + SD card = no love
[0:17] <alien2601> nidO: thats great was already eyeing up Micronext ..
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[0:18] <trevorman> buzzkill: hmm. not sure then. its definitely not booting at all but don't know whether you're just really unlucky with SD cards or something is broken
[0:18] <trevorman> buzzkill: what image did you write on the card?
[0:18] <buzzkill> debian6-19-04-2012
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[0:19] <sraue> trevorman, Helldesk fixed in git
[0:19] <buzzkill> used WinDiskimg to write it... or whatever that is called.
[0:19] <buzzkill> dd did not seem to work as expected.
[0:19] <trevorman> sraue: didn't affect me anyway as I always just made the card manually :)
[0:20] <Helldesk> sraue: what is?
[0:20] <buzzkill> and, the class 6 SD is on the list of 'Working SD Cards'
[0:21] <Butcho> to get my class 6 running, I had to run rpi-update on a linux server I have.
[0:21] <buzzkill> Is there a different image I _should/could_ try?
[0:21] <sraue> Helldesk, change the create_sdcard script and remove the lines 68-82 like here: https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/commit/60346ff4a4d5f75c30c02ce37f926204d2a101fe
[0:21] <buzzkill> Butcho: um... link?
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[0:21] <Helldesk> ok, thanks
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[0:21] <trevorman> Butcho: I got buzzkill to do it manually
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[0:22] <Butcho> k
[0:22] <trevorman> buzzkill: what did you replace from the github repo?
[0:22] <trevorman> bootcode.bin, loader.bin, start.elf and kernel.img?
[0:22] <Helldesk> I'm trying openelec to see if it is able to reboot without the issue I'm having with debian (squeeze?)
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[0:22] <trevorman> Helldesk: that it sometimes gets wedged and doesn't reboot but also doesn't continue running?
[0:22] <Jef91> friggle just DDed that image to a SD card
[0:22] <Jef91> and it is getting kernel panic at startup
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[0:23] <friggle> Jef91: what is the error?
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[0:23] <friggle> Jef91: and you're sure it wrote properly?
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[0:24] <Helldesk> trevorman: my issue is that it does not reboot when rebooted and has to be kept powered off for three minutes
[0:24] <Jef91> The dd says it completed without errors friggle
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[0:25] <Jef91> "entering kdb opps: null" is the first line of the KP
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[0:25] <trevorman> Helldesk: thats something to do with the kernel
[0:25] <SpeedEvil> cmp image /dev/mmcblk0 or whatever
[0:25] <SpeedEvil> Check the image is actually the same as the SD card
[0:25] <trevorman> Helldesk: it occasionally happens to me as well but I don't need to wait 3 minutes though. just unplugging it and immediately plugging it back in will be fine.
[0:25] <SpeedEvil> (you will get a 'EOF on image'
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[0:27] <Jef91> do you have an MD5sum of the image somewhere? Can check if my download was bad
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[0:29] <Jef91> Friggle do you have an md5sum somewhere?
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[0:29] <friggle> Jef91: I have a sha1sum of the .gz
[0:29] <IT_Sean> Ahoydalehoyhoy
[0:30] <friggle> Jef91: bdad7f1c504e22f8d754028843abb9da4330107f
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[0:30] <zimba12> Helldesk: those OpenELEC images don't work here
[0:30] <friggle> Jef91: and how do you write it?
[0:30] <Jef91> friggle will check that ""entering kdb opps: null" is the first line of the KP"
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[0:30] <Helldesk> ugh, having permission problems
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[0:30] <Jef91> friggle I used "sudo dd if=myfile.img of=/path/to/sdcard bs=1M"
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[0:31] <IT_Sean> O_o
[0:31] <plugwash> Jef91> friggle I used "sudo dd if=myfile.img of=/path/to/sdcard bs=1M" <-- can you specify exactly what you used as /path/to/sdcard ?
[0:32] <Jef91> the path was right plugwash
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[0:32] <Jef91> on this laptop it was /dev/mmcblk0
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[0:33] <plugwash> just checking because i'm sure i've seen people dd an image to a partition rather than to the whole card
[0:33] <friggle> Jef91: so you can insert the sd card in your laptop, mount the root partition and cat /etc/rpi-issue in it?
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[0:33] <Jef91> I know plugwash - I've been doing this awhile
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[0:33] <Jef91> I will do that now friggle - one moment
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[0:34] <nidO> friggle, can the wheezy image be directly run headless or am I gonna need a screen/keyboard to get ssh going?
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[0:34] <friggle> nidO: ssh will be running
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[0:34] <friggle> Jef91: never hurts for us to check :) I've known very experienced linux geeks make such mistakes ;)
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[0:35] <Jef91> friggle -> Raspberry Pi reference 2012-06-10 (from spindle ae6ce3a, stage4-lxde-edu.qed)
[0:35] <Jef91> and my shasum checked out good
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[0:35] <Helldesk> argh, that openelec tarball has stuff in it that it wants to set the ownership on, onto a user that does not exist
[0:35] <Helldesk> so it fails and everything breaks
[0:35] <Helldesk> how are you supposed to unzip these things when that happens?
[0:35] <Jef91> that is the only line in /etc/rpi-issue
[0:36] <Helldesk> I'm trying to uncompress onto a usb stick I've got mounted, it's fat32
[0:36] <friggle> Jef91: ok, so your filesystem is relatively sane
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[0:36] <friggle> Jef91: what usb devices do you have connected?
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[0:36] <trevorman> Helldesk: you'll get that with pretty much every tarball though...
[0:36] <trevorman> (on FAT)
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[0:36] <Jef91> Just a generic keyboard friggle
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[0:37] <Helldesk> some dude called stephan
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[0:37] <friggle> Jef91: can you get anything else useful from the oops?
[0:37] <sraue> Helldesk, fat32 dont support linux ownership, why not extract this on your system?
[0:37] <friggle> Jef91: what happens if you remove the keyboard?
[0:37] <friggle> before booting
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[0:37] <Helldesk> sraue: it's a raspberry pi, I don't want to put stuff onto the sd card
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[0:38] <trevorman> eh? you're trying to write the openelec image from another rpi?
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[0:38] <Helldesk> I'm just trying to temporarily keep them on the usb stick so I can run the installer to create another sd card (I've got it mounted on another usb port in an sd card reader)
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[0:38] <Jef91> the boot hangs
[0:38] <Jef91> at looking for a keyboard
[0:38] <Jef91> let me get the exact line
[0:39] <trevorman> Helldesk: you got a linux PC?
[0:39] <Jef91> friggle ^
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[0:39] <Helldesk> not at this moment, I should create a vm for things like this
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[0:39] <Helldesk> this should not be such a big problem :)
[0:39] <trevorman> its nothing to do with openelec though
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[0:39] <trevorman> its because you're trying to extract a tarball to a FAT FS
[0:39] <Helldesk> no it isn't, it's just a linux thing
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[0:40] <sraue> Helldesk, you like to going the hardest ways?
[0:40] <Helldesk> I can also uncompress it on windows so it doesn't care
[0:40] <trevorman> well. the other option is to use a prebuilt disk image that somebody else made
[0:40] <Jef91> hangs at "setting preliminary keymap" friggle
[0:40] <Jef91> oh wait
[0:40] <Jef91> it got past that
[0:40] <Jef91> just hung for a few minutes
[0:40] <Helldesk> I did that first and ran into that "syslinux" thing earlier
[0:40] <Jef91> huh duh fuck
[0:41] <Helldesk> meh, I'll just unmount this for a moment and uncompress on a windows machine
[0:41] <Jef91> why is a usb keyboard
[0:41] <Jef91> causing KP
[0:41] <trevorman> Helldesk: thats not a prebuilt image
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[0:42] <trevorman> it should still let you extract a tarball to FAT though. it'll just complain a lot about it.
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[0:42] <Helldesk> yeah, it compressed the key things I think, but there were several screens' worth of complaints too
[0:43] <Helldesk> it was probably mostly for the useless licence text files
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[0:43] <Helldesk> but in any case, fuck it
[0:43] <Jef91> Huh yep.
[0:43] <Jef91> KP as soon as I plug in that keyboard
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[0:43] <Jef91> will have to try to find another I guess
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[0:45] <Moofie> did anyone already figure out what is causing the TV to "loose" the signal when playing HD video?
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[0:47] <Moofie> when playing 720p video with raspbmc or omxplayer, tv randomly blanks out for a few seconds and the tv shows icons that it found audio and video on the input. whatever video was playing just continues to play as if nothing happened
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[0:47] <Moofie> sony bravia tv
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[0:48] <trevorman> Moofie: HDMI output on the RPi is unreliable for me with the HDMI -> DVI cable I've got + the Dell monitor. I need to increase the HDMI voltage slightly and then its reliable.
[0:49] <trevorman> Moofie: config_hdmi_boost http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_options
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[0:49] <trevorman> Moofie: 2 gives a stable picture and its reliable for me
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[0:50] <Moofie> not using a hdmi -> DVI, I did boost the signal the other day but that did not help, I'm in europe so sdtv_mode=2 might help?
[0:50] <trevorman> not for HDMI
[0:50] <Moofie> config_hdmi_boost=4 did not change anything either
[0:50] <trevorman> urgh. who wrote "init_emmc_clock initial emmc clock. Default 80000000 (80mhz default. increasing this will speedup your SD-card) "
[0:51] <cehteh> i have a hdmi to dvi converter too .. does that handle some monitor identification or is that a pass through?
[0:51] <trevorman> at least put that 100mhz is the rated maximum and that you may risk corruption if you're giong to write stuff like that on the wiki -.-
[0:51] <trevorman> its just a cable for HDMI to DVI...
[0:51] <cehteh> because the rpi sees my monitor as native 1080p and not 2k :/
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[0:52] <Helldesk> hdmi-dvi converter is just plug size and pinout conversion
[0:52] <trevorman> ^
[0:52] <cehteh> it has a led :)
[0:52] <Jef91> as a heads up friggle it must be something in the raspberry pi patches that hate my normal keyboard
[0:52] <Jef91> I tried a different image
[0:52] <Jef91> and it freaked out there as well
[0:52] <Helldesk> what a waste of electricity :)
[0:52] <Scepterr> overcomplicated
[0:52] <trevorman> cehteh: not sure if the GPU actually supports 2k
[0:52] <Jef91> bbl thanks for all the help folks
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[0:52] <cehteh> the wiki lists my res in the mode tables but tvservice dont
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[0:54] <trevorman> cehteh: yeah but is that somebody actually saying thats what the GPU supports or they just extracting the table from the DMT spec
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[0:55] <cehteh> too bad :)
[0:55] <cehteh> i was thinking about integrating a rpi into this monitor
[0:57] <Moofie> trevorman, regarding the config_hdmi_boost, I find it a bit strange that I only get the tv disconnects when playing HD content, not while just going through the menu of raspbmc or doing random stuff in debian.
[0:57] <trevorman> it is annoying that they redid the rpi site so a lot of the old blog links just don't work any more
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[0:58] <trevorman> Moofie: it is a bit strange *shrug* HDMI/DVI is constantly streaming the contents of the screen without any compression so there isn't any throughput difference between a static menu and something blowing up in a film
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[0:58] <Jef91> My Pi is live and kicking! Exciting.
[0:59] <Jef91> Now to install a DE on it to make it useful
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[0:59] <Moofie> uhu, my guess would be high cpu usage causing an interruption in signal but I don't know the system well enough to know if that is even a possibility...
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[1:01] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8155&p=97669#p97669
[1:01] <trevorman> cehteh: what monitor you got?
[1:02] <trevorman> Moofie: shouldn't be. the GPU is capable of doing 1080p HW decode and its got to be using the GPU as the CPU isn't powerful enough
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[1:02] <cehteh> syncmaster 2343
[1:02] <cehteh> cheap one .. but i really enjoy the high res :)
[1:02] <cehteh> (not IPS)
[1:03] <trevorman> cehteh: the RPi only does single link HDMI and that monitor looks like it wants dual link DVI
[1:04] <cehteh> nope its single link too
[1:04] <trevorman> hm
[1:04] <trevorman> not sure then! talk to the RPi foundation and offer yourself as a tester for 2K resolutions :D
[1:04] <cehteh> driven to the limit
[1:04] <cehteh> haha :)
[1:04] <haltdef> u2711 > *
[1:05] <traeak> ugh sound
[1:05] <traeak> i put windowmaker on it
[1:05] <traeak> turned on wireframe move/resize
[1:05] <traeak> it's fairly acceptable
[1:06] <traeak> for fun i grabbed "jagged alliance 2" straticelli svn, downloaded, compiled and ran it
[1:06] <traeak> slow but acceptable
[1:06] <traeak> 1024x768 mode
[1:06] <trevorman> looks like 2048x1152 is actually slightly past the limit for single link but a lot of stuff will drive it anyway as they're exceeding the spec
[1:06] <traeak> that mode probably isn't in the firmware
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[1:11] <traeak> i've noticed ethernet drop twice so far today
[1:11] <traeak> usb errors
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[1:20] <Helldesk> sraue: got it installed, thanks
[1:20] <friggle> Jef91: glad you got something working. It does seem there are...outstanding issues...with USB
[1:21] <sraue> Helldesk, great :-)
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[1:21] <Helldesk> heh, can't really use it with keyboard only and since I don't yet have the hdmi cable, it's overscanned like hell :)
[1:21] <sraue> Helldesk, now i should run before you find the first bugs?
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[1:22] <Jef91> Looks like it friggle
[1:22] <Jef91> the odd thing is
[1:22] <Helldesk> sraue: heh, that'll be several builds later when I'm running with better resolution and maybe a mouse too
[1:22] <Jef91> my logitech mouse/keyboard combo wireless thing works
[1:22] <Jef91> but my generic USB keyboard doesn't xD
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[1:25] <Helldesk> oh, there's an overscan adjustment... but is it really a black screen with nothing but the instruction text?
[1:26] <IT_Sean> Helldesk, if you are using the official Deeb image, it boots ot the command line by default
[1:26] <IT_Sean> YOu can start a gui by typing 'startx'
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[1:28] <Helldesk> oh, found the object you're supposed to adjust, it was off-screen, naturally :)
[1:28] <Helldesk> IT_Sean: no no, I used the official thing I've been running for a few days to install OpenELEC on another SD card (one that is too small for the official images)
[1:29] <IT_Sean> Ahh, i see
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[1:39] <Moofie> trevorman, hdmi_force_hotplug=1 and config_hdmi_boost=4 do not help with the hdmi signal drop
[1:40] <Moofie> when playing planet earth 1080p
[1:40] <Helldesk> sraue: where are the network settings? All I can see in System Settings under Internet access is HTTP Proxy and bandwidth limitation setting; the ip I see it trying to use in system information is whatever random it happened to be trying to use but I'm not sure if it's working or not
[1:40] <sraue> Helldesk, programs/OpenELEC OS Settings
[1:41] <Helldesk> oh
[1:41] <sraue> needs a reboot after you have changed anything there
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[1:43] <Helldesk> how do you reboot with keyboard control only?
[1:44] <IT_Sean> open a terminal and do a sudo shutdown -h now
[1:44] <syntax_erorr> What video player works well with the lastest raspbian? VLC? mplayer?
[1:44] <Helldesk> again, not in a terminal
[1:44] <Helldesk> I know how to work a basic shell ;)
[1:44] <Helldesk> this is openelec's gui
[1:44] <IT_Sean> oh. Then, no idea. I've never used the gui without a mouse.
[1:44] <IT_Sean> Sorry.
[1:45] <Helldesk> -h would just halt, I would use -r
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[1:45] <sraue> Helldesk, "s" or go to the icon in the bottom left
[1:46] <ebswift> #join cyanogenmod-atrix
[1:46] <ebswift> oops
[1:46] <Helldesk> s did the trick; didn't manage to tab onto that stuff in the corner
[1:46] <IT_Sean> you need a leading / there, ebswift :p
[1:46] <ebswift> hehe
[1:46] <ebswift> sry
[1:46] <IT_Sean> s'all good
[1:46] <Helldesk> hee, OpenELEC rebooted right away with no problems
[1:46] <buzzkill> some success!!!!
[1:46] <sraue> helldesk with the arrow keys you can go there
[1:46] <Helldesk> of course this is a different SD card...
[1:46] <buzzkill> At least now, I have many led's showing me their colors.
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[1:47] <buzzkill> rpi-update seems to have done the trick! Thanks trevorman!
[1:47] <Helldesk> oh, I know - I'll just make an image of the contents of the other sd card so I can flash it back and try OpenELEC on that again
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[1:48] <Helldesk> but first I'll spam reboot on this one to make sure
[1:48] <trevorman> buzzkill: hrmm. wonder what it did though
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[1:48] <trevorman> buzzkill: didn't look like anything was running at all
[1:48] <trevorman> bizarre
[1:48] <buzzkill> well, for starters, it made it work. =)
[1:48] <trevorman> well thank Butcho not me lol
[1:48] <buzzkill> no idea, but I am sitting at a login prompt right now.
[1:48] <buzzkill> ok, Butcho++
[1:49] <buzzkill> ^^^^^
[1:49] <Helldesk> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5817 for anyone interested, my problem with the 4 gig card I'm using is described here
[1:49] <trevorman> Butcho suggested rpi-update but I said you'd done it manually. What did it udpate though....
[1:49] <buzzkill> very few log lines printed
[1:49] <buzzkill> using ARM/GPU memory split 224/32MB
[1:50] <buzzkill> using SoftFP libraries.
[1:50] <trevorman> you ran it on another machine?
[1:51] <buzzkill> mounted the SD card on my ubuntu laptop.
[1:51] <buzzkill> mounted the root and the /boot partitions
[1:52] <buzzkill> changed to the new 'root' partition directory and ran: "ROOT_PATH=/var/tmp/ BOOT_PATH=/var/tmp/mmc rpi-update" I had to install binutils and git-common on the host machine.
[1:52] <Helldesk> sraue: do the overscan adjustments save automatically? looks like they didn't save
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[1:54] <sraue> Helldesk, it should, but i have heard some reports where it was not saved after a reboot
[1:56] <Jef91> Oh poop. My e17 packages are segfaulting on the Pi >.<
[1:56] <Helldesk> very nice, it reboots reliably
[1:57] <Helldesk> so the official image might have something to learn from whatever OpenELEC's start.elf is doing
[1:57] <Helldesk> oh wait, it could also be my other sd card... but damn, it does work when it boots
[1:58] <Helldesk> I'll have to put this image on that card to see if it's at fault
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[2:00] <trevorman> Helldesk: I said earlier that openelec also occasionally gets wedged when I do a reboot
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[2:03] <Helldesk> my primary complaint right now is the slow responses in some aspects of the gui - it feels snappy otherwise, but in some cases you have no feedback if your command went through or not and you need to wait for two seconds
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[2:03] <Helldesk> in OpenELEC
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[2:06] <Helldesk> I need a second Pi for OpenELEC now :)
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[2:07] <bbb^> is mpeg2 decoding sorted in OpenELEC / Xbmc yet ?
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[2:08] <Helldesk> good point, I haven't yet tested it in its intended main use - but Digitally Imported plays nicely
[2:09] <bbb^> cool :) I was thinking myth frontend using the plugin.
[2:09] <sraue> bbb^, i think thats not a xbmc/openelec problem, it simply needs licensed vll files
[2:09] <neofutur> Helldesk: everyone neds a second pi ;)
[2:10] <NucWin> i need a first first
[2:10] <bbb^> sraue: yes I know ... just wondering if there been any progress working around that problem (e.g. optimized CPU decoding ...)
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[2:10] <bbb^> and most likely to see anything like that in xbmc first :)
[2:11] <Helldesk> ok, I have a bug report: whoever wrote the description for the BlipTV add-on in the video add-ons needs to remove that greengrocer's apostrophe from the description
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[2:17] <DeviceZer0> can I use a usb phone charger to power the rp? I think I have a phone charger that is just a usb cable. I know my old blackberry has a wall adapter that you plug a usb cord into.
[2:17] <DeviceZer0> I just dont want to try it and have it fry the thing...i just got it in the mail today :)
[2:18] <IT_Sean> As long as it outputs at least 700ma
[2:18] <Fuggin> ^
[2:18] <bbb^> and 5volts
[2:18] <bbb^> :)
[2:18] <Fuggin> ^
[2:18] <IT_Sean> yes, and the USB standard 5v
[2:18] <Helldesk> as long as it puts out 5 volts DC and is capable of putting out and amp or so at minimum, you're good to go
[2:19] <bbb^> I had my pi running at work of a nokia usb charger only rated for 500ma lol
[2:19] <Helldesk> sraue: heh, just installed the NASA TV addon and played the JSC stream for a few seconds; then it crashed back to the main screen and now it seems to have cropped the sides off my screen
[2:20] <DeviceZer0> hmm. I'm in the usa and it plugs into a normal wall outlet....i dont know much about this.
[2:20] <Helldesk> so it's liek 640x480 when it was 720x480 (still rocking just the composite video so I can't do better for now)
[2:20] <DeviceZer0> I'm assuming those numbers are pretty standard in these types of things?
[2:21] <IT_Sean> well, the USB standard is 5v. So, unless it's a poorly regulated supply, that should be fine
[2:22] <IT_Sean> But check the current rating. you NEED it to be capable of supplying 700ma or better to properly run the Pi. It should say on the adapter what the max. output current is.
[2:22] <Helldesk> DeviceZer0: well, as far as chargers go, they usually ought to be able to power a raspberry pi because charging batteries is a current-hungry business
[2:22] <SpeedEvil> Helldesk: Well - you're assuming that all that glitters is gold there.
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[2:22] <Helldesk> actually no, I'm just getting to the caveat part
[2:23] <Helldesk> a standard usb 2.0 port provides 100 mA and up to 500 mA within spec
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[2:23] <Helldesk> a plain charger is not an intelligent device, they just put out current up to their capability and try to regulate it at their rated voltage
[2:24] <Helldesk> the cheaper they are, the worse they fare
[2:24] <bbb^> I am powering mines at home of a usb port on my pc (which are rated quite high for USB charging) - doesn't cold boot everytime with HDMI connected ... but does after a reboot.
[2:24] <plugwash> The trouble with chargers is that the standard way of limiting charging current per "USB battery charging" is to let the voltage drop off
[2:24] <plugwash> So an underpowered charger will work fine for charging a phone but will cause strange issues when used with the Pi
[2:24] <bbb^> just try it :P if it works it works, if doesn't it dosn't ...
[2:25] <ReggieUK> it'll just take longer to charge the phone
[2:25] <ReggieUK> which is generally ok as they expect you to charge over night
[2:26] <DeviceZer0> ah
[2:26] <ReggieUK> or at least historically
[2:26] <Helldesk> since you will need a powered usb hub in any case if you want to plug in more than just a keyboard and a mouse, get an "active" (powered) hub with a good power supply powering it, and plug the raspberry pi with a full-to-micro USB cable into one of its ports
[2:26] <Helldesk> so you only need one wall wart
[2:26] <DeviceZer0> well looks like I may not have all the proper cables on hand anyways...might have to wait to pick up a hdmi cable...though I had one that would connect to this monitor...but its not looking like I do
[2:26] <ReggieUK> define good power supply :)
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[2:27] <ReggieUK> poundland I think were doing hdmi cables for, erm, a pound :)
[2:27] <Helldesk> a power supply that maintains specified voltage within limits of the specification up to its rated output current :)
[2:27] <Helldesk> so... get a known brand computer PSU and hack into its +5V line
[2:27] <Helldesk> ;)
[2:28] <IT_Sean> That would be rediculusly clunky. not to mention efficient.
[2:28] <IT_Sean> *inefficient
[2:28] <Helldesk> it would be ridiculous and a funny hack
[2:28] <Helldesk> see this PSU? It's my computer
[2:28] <IT_Sean> You'd probably toast the 12v rail, as well, if you ran it with no load.
[2:28] <ReggieUK> make a video
[2:29] <ReggieUK> and wear a t-shirt
[2:29] <Helldesk> it depends on the design, and you would of course put a dummy load if needed
[2:29] <ReggieUK> 'they said I needed a proper psu for my $25 computer'
[2:29] <Helldesk> no power cables coming out of a power supply, just video, network and usb cables
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[2:29] <Helldesk> 'so I used this one lying around the house'
[2:29] <Helldesk> heck, I've got a couple
[2:29] <ReggieUK> not sure I'd want that PSU getting my pi warm
[2:29] <bbb^> atx psu's provide 5v when in standby - my pi stays powered after I soft power off my pc :)
[2:30] <ReggieUK> ewww
[2:30] <Helldesk> with the power levels the Pi draws, they don't get warm
[2:30] <ReggieUK> that psu will get warm
[2:30] <Helldesk> bbb^: you are using the standby power to power a Pi? that's great
[2:30] <SpeedEvil> At standby - maybe not.
[2:30] <ReggieUK> ahh yeah, at standby
[2:30] <SpeedEvil> It also provides a convenient case.
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[2:30] <SpeedEvil> (Do not do this!)
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> (well - unless you have a clue)
[2:31] <bbb^> Helldesk: via USB to micro-usb, I didn't think it would work.
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> It's too easy to put mains on the HDMI port
[2:31] <ReggieUK> bbb^ is this connected to your usb on the pc?
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> If you put the Pi inside the PSU case
[2:31] <bbb^> ReggieUK: yep
[2:31] <Helldesk> there may or may not be room inside a PSU case
[2:31] <ReggieUK> cos that might be a function of your motherboard rather than the psu
[2:31] <bbb^> nod
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[2:32] <bbb^> not all m/b even provide power only to usb ports (same as I've found with some hubs ...)
[2:32] <ReggieUK> and Hi SpeedEvil :)
[2:32] <Helldesk> but it would be a-ok to build something that nearly seamlessly attaches to the outside of the PSU casing, thus retaining the protection from mains voltages... not to mention EMC protection for the Pi
[2:32] <Helldesk> from the switching power supply
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[2:33] <SpeedEvil> Helldesk: sure
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[2:35] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, question about charging/using usb instead
[2:35] <ReggieUK> will the phone draw as much current as it can lay it's hands on?
[2:36] <SpeedEvil> Generally not.
[2:36] <ReggieUK> as you implied (I think) that the charger having a voltage drop at rated current implied that the phone relies on the charger and just grabs what it needs
[2:36] <SpeedEvil> Most phones will only draw up to 100mA, then negotiate for more as a mass storage or empty mass storage device, for example
[2:36] <SpeedEvil> unless D+ and D- are shorted
[2:37] <Helldesk> the phone will draw as much current as it needs to run and what its battery wants in addition
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> then it will draw as much as it wants - and may do low voltage sensing to moderate its needs
[2:37] <Helldesk> a li-poly cell will not draw constant current
[2:37] <ReggieUK> that explains why it's taken hours to charge my phone via this charger cable I got plugged into the usb
[2:37] <ReggieUK> whereas the 800ma charger is done in less than an hour
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> Phone batteries do not get connected directly to USB - ever
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
[2:38] <ReggieUK> that cable is getting culled then as it's next to useless :D
[2:38] <Helldesk> charging li-polys (which the majority of today's phone batteries are I believe) is a pretty involved task
[2:38] <SpeedEvil> Possibly.
[2:39] <ReggieUK> Helldesk, indeed
[2:39] <Helldesk> you usually apply 4.2 volts to each cell and start to monitor the current draw
[2:39] <Helldesk> preferably you would already have some idea about its rated capacity and count the amp hours that get put in
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> Limit to 4.2V, if the cell is over 3V, and then turn off charge when it tapers to a nominal value.
[2:39] <Helldesk> (and what gets put out)
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[2:40] <SpeedEvil> Limiting charge current to 0.5C or so
[2:40] <Helldesk> you stop charging when the current drawn by the cell drops to 10% of the original charging current of an empty cell
[2:40] <ReggieUK> 0.5c for current? c as in centigrade?
[2:40] <shirro> And keep a bucket of sand handy
[2:41] <Helldesk> that's very roughly the charging process of a generic lithium ion battery
[2:41] <Helldesk> C as in the nominal capacity
[2:41] <ReggieUK> ahh :)
[2:41] <ReggieUK> ok
[2:41] <Helldesk> so 0.5 C of a 1000 mAh (one amp hour) battery would be 500 mA
[2:41] <SpeedEvil> yes
[2:42] <Helldesk> li-ion/li-poly batteries should not be discarged below 3 volts per cell
[2:42] <Helldesk> they will get damaged and lose the ability to hold charge
[2:42] <dirty_d> more than that isnt it?
[2:42] <Helldesk> same goes for overcharging
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> It's under 3, from many makers.
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> 2.7 is a common lower limit.
[2:43] <ReggieUK> so essentially, using a phone charger is a lottery as to whether you're actually going to get one that can sustain the voltage at the current the pi needs?
[2:43] <Helldesk> well, 3 V is the rule of thumb I've generally stuck to, but of course you have to check the data sheet
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: yes
[2:43] <ReggieUK> oh wonderful :)
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[2:43] <ReggieUK> so using microUSB might just bite people in the backside?
[2:44] <Helldesk> I charge to 3 V in my Lipos in RC use as below that the voltage drops so rapidly it's not any use to keep drawing several amps from a battery
[2:44] <Helldesk> ReggieUK: well, YMMV
[2:44] <Helldesk> it might put some reliance on hardware that isn't always up to scratch
[2:44] <ReggieUK> of course
[2:44] <Helldesk> but there's always suspect hardware out in the wild
[2:45] <ReggieUK> I'm kind of thinking about the target market (not tinkerers)
[2:45] <Helldesk> as we all should
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[2:45] <dirty_d> my rc lipos charge to 4.25V or so
[2:45] <dirty_d> the ones that catch fire and explode
[2:45] <ReggieUK> kids who may or may not have a proper charger from the mfr. might not have a samsung galaxy/iphone etc.
[2:45] <Helldesk> it boils down to recommending people to try until they find something that works, and with any luck people will find something that is up to scratch
[2:46] <ReggieUK> I've just hacked up a dlink psu
[2:46] <ReggieUK> 5v 2amps
[2:46] <Helldesk> sraue: dang, it's not remembering the overscan settings except sometimes
[2:46] <ReggieUK> not a charger :)
[2:46] <Helldesk> mine is 5V 2.5A :)
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[2:46] <Helldesk> don't know if it's 2.5A still, I don't even remember where I got it
[2:47] <ReggieUK> btw. if anyone is interested, poundland are doing a usb phone charger cable, it does micro/mini usb, nokia and iproduct
[2:47] <ReggieUK> cheap enough to throw away
[2:49] <ReggieUK> and cheap enough to hack up for a psu
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> One of the major issues with crap cables is the conductors are way too thin - whith high voltage drop
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> This will mostly sort-of-work for phones.
[2:49] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, INDEED!
[2:49] <IT_Sean> /clear
[2:49] <IT_Sean> whoops
[2:49] <slacker> hello ~ anyone know how to send keys to omxplayer from a script, echo "p" to /dev/tty sends the "p" to the screen but not the process. ? (thanks)
[2:49] <amelia_> IT_Sean: fail
[2:49] <IT_Sean> hush you
[2:50] <ReggieUK> me and shiftplusone have been seeing all sorts of stuff going on
[2:50] <amelia_> faily-faily-failure :P
[2:50] <ReggieUK> I can attribute a 250mv drop simply because of a usb cable
[2:50] <dirty_d> slacker, maybe use a fifo?
[2:51] <IT_Sean> as i said... hush.
[2:51] <slacker> dirty_d, that might be where I'm going next, need to read up because I have no clue how to do that.
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[2:57] <dirty_d> slacker, mkfifo stdin_fifo; omxplayer blah.mkv < stdin_fifo &; echo "p" stdin_fifo
[2:57] <dirty_d> something like that
[2:58] <Helldesk> SpeedEvil: yeah, and there's no way of telling which cables are terrible unless you can get your hands on them
[2:59] <slacker> dirty_d, Thanks _ i'll study up on that. The RPI is so sweet!
[3:00] <neofutur> 01:58:32 up 22:05, 4 users, load average: 4.32, 4.21, 4.03
[3:00] <neofutur> still stable after nearly 24 hours high load
[3:00] <Butcho> what is it doing?
[3:01] <neofutur> emerge -e world + make modules + compiling other stuff at the same time
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[3:02] <neofutur> ( arm_freq=930 gpu_freq=350 sdram_freq=500 seettings )
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[3:07] <Butcho> I need more cool stuff to install on my Pi
[3:09] <buzzkill> imagine a beowulf cluster of Raspberry Pis
[3:09] <Butcho> buzzkill, did you get your Pi running?
[3:10] <McGooch> buzzkill at $35 per 24GFLOPs per watt, it would be fun if not cost effective.
[3:10] <buzzkill> sure did, thanks to you
[3:11] <buzzkill> rpi-update was the answer
[3:11] <Butcho> cool
[3:11] <Butcho> I had a C4 PNY 4gig, worked out of the box
[3:11] <Butcho> wanted a 8gig
[3:11] <Butcho> so I bought a PNY C6 8gig
[3:11] <Butcho> was on the list as working
[3:12] <Butcho> wrote the image
[3:12] <Butcho> dreaded mmc0: timeout issue
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[3:12] <Butcho> best buy was about to ban me from their store
[3:12] <slacker> Butcho, supertux runs surprisingly well
[3:12] <Butcho> because I've returned so many SD cards
[3:12] <ReggieUK> the drivers in the original sources are a bit borked for some cards
[3:13] <ReggieUK> but a lot of that has been addressed
[3:13] <Butcho> so I mounted it in my linux server, downloaded rpi-update, installed git etc...
[3:13] <ReggieUK> can't give a solid figure but a lot more cards should just work
[3:13] <Butcho> rpi-update updated the card
[3:13] <Butcho> no sweat
[3:13] <ReggieUK> and cards that are capable will deliver upto 25MB/s now :)
[3:13] <Butcho> plugged it in.. wham! works now
[3:14] <Butcho> supertux the game?
[3:15] <buzzkill> which video driver should I use though?
[3:15] * buzzkill guesses google can tell me
[3:15] <McGooch> ReggieUK: just getting to my KBD, there was a fix for the SD speed issue?
[3:15] <Butcho> there's more than one?
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[3:15] <ReggieUK> I wouldn't be surprised if people tried non-working cards again with the patched drivers and they worked
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[3:15] <ReggieUK> McGooch yes
[3:15] <mkopack> Ok, I'm back. I lied...
[3:15] <buzzkill> <- not sure. but fibre lamp is very sluggish. =(
[3:15] <ReggieUK> zgreg produced some patches
[3:15] <Butcho> SD speed issue?
[3:16] <McGooch> ReggieUK: is this a new kernel or do I need a new distro?
[3:16] <ReggieUK> 1 was a known patch but he made 2 patches of his own that essentially fix the drivers to proper clock speeds
[3:16] <zabomber> my rasp-pi has finally shipped. < kid is EXCITED!
[3:17] <shirro> I am waiting for a kernel to compile but has anyone had luck with a lexar card and the latest zgeg patches?
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[3:18] <ReggieUK> Butcho, McGooch, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=5057&p=96837#p96837
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[3:18] <ReggieUK> look for lb
[3:18] <ReggieUK> his posts
[3:19] <ReggieUK> not sure how they're progressing, whether the patches have been accepted or not
[3:19] <ReggieUK> but if you want to test them (no warranty given or implied) go for it :)
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[3:19] <shirro> I think they will need a lot more testing and looks like they will go via bootc kernel
[3:19] <ReggieUK> they worked absolutely fine for me
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[3:20] <ReggieUK> gave me a nice performance boost
[3:20] <ReggieUK> from 4.45MB/s stock to 10.somethingMB/s
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[3:20] <shirro> I have one of the problem cards with previous patches. I had a Pi free day so haven't tried the new ones yet
[3:21] <ReggieUK> with zgregs patches?
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[3:21] <shirro> yep, while I appreciate the work he is doing for everyone else, they were worse than useless for me previously.
[3:21] <ReggieUK> I would have another look, not sure what he's done today but I think there has been some work done to improve card recognition
[3:22] <ReggieUK> what type of card are you using?
[3:22] <shirro> lexar platinum II class 6 8G
[3:22] <shirro> I have a few of them :-(
[3:22] <ReggieUK> any idea on the kinds of speeds those cards are supposed to run at?
[3:23] <McGooch> ReggieUK: I guess I need to learn how to patch and build the kernel now?
[3:23] <shirro> A lot more than 4.5MB/s. They do 15 in the other arm board and do about 12 I think with the overclock
[3:23] <ReggieUK> not sure, I think if you read through that post that lb might provide a kernel to downoad
[3:23] <ReggieUK> download*
[3:23] <ReggieUK> what do they do on a PC?
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[3:24] <ReggieUK> they're only ever going to do 25MB/s if the drivers are keeping within proper spec
[3:24] <ReggieUK> or unless the foundation does a pi2 with teh 1.8v circuitry
[3:24] <ReggieUK> or if someone hacks up a power board and some gpio code to do it
[3:25] <McGooch> ReggieUK: wow, would the GPIO have the throughput for that?
[3:26] <ReggieUK> of course, I think you may be misunderstanding the complexity of switching a gpio once ;)
[3:26] <shirro> McGooch: It just needs to toggle the speed
[3:26] <shirro> I mean the voltage
[3:27] <McGooch> But does the GPIO get updated at the full cpu clock rate?
[3:27] <ReggieUK> the clock rate is fairly irrelevant to what it's being used for
[3:28] <ReggieUK> the single gpio pin will just be used to switch a transistor or a small circuit on
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[3:28] <ReggieUK> not sure if it's something we can do ourselves though
[3:28] <McGooch> Isn't that only true if the update rate between the GPIO and the CPU is fast enough?
[3:28] <ReggieUK> depends on the existing power circuit
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[3:29] <ReggieUK> not at all
[3:29] <ReggieUK> we just want to switch a pin once
[3:29] <McGooch> If the GPIO is basically direct to the CPU then thats pretty cool
[3:29] <trevorman> McGooch: its just a toggle. on = level translation off = nothing
[3:29] <trevorman> you're not toggling it at 50mhz
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[3:29] <ReggieUK> we're not interested in clock speed of anything particularly
[3:30] <shirro> you do it once based on card capability or something then leave it
[3:30] <McGooch> I've obviously misunderstood what you were intending to do with the GPIO
[3:30] <ReggieUK> indeed :)
[3:31] <ReggieUK> basically, sd cards start at 3.3v and low speed
[3:31] <ReggieUK> then the controller queries the card for it's capabilities and other information
[3:31] <ReggieUK> if it sees that it's a card that requires it, it will turn off the 3.3v power and apply 1.8v instead
[3:32] <ReggieUK> well, that's what's supposed to happen
[3:32] <ReggieUK> but it doesnt' because the circuit to do the switching is missing
[3:32] <ReggieUK> so in theory we can just use a gpio pin to turn the 1.8v voltage source on and off
[3:33] <ReggieUK> could be done easily with a simple transistor
[3:33] <McGooch> Ok, I get it now. :)
[3:33] <ReggieUK> but it's how the 3.3v is derived and if it's controllable via the pi or if it's even accesible
[3:33] <ReggieUK> that's going to be the more interesting part
[3:34] <McGooch> For some reason I though you were suggesting connecting a secondary SD reader to the GPIO port and driving it manually.
[3:34] <ReggieUK> for us to retrofit our own pi, we'd need to be able to control the 3.3v power too
[3:34] <ReggieUK> ahh
[3:34] <ReggieUK> now i see why you were confused
[3:34] <ReggieUK> and just to fry your noodle
[3:34] <plugwash> mmm, presumablly you need to lower the voltage not just to the card but also to the relavent IO bank on the SOC
[3:34] <ReggieUK> it should entirely be possible to run SD cards via the gpio :D
[3:34] <trevorman> plugwash: yeah
[3:35] <ReggieUK> plugwash, well, not entirely sure on that one
[3:35] <ReggieUK> because people have been dialing in all sorts of emmc clock speeds into their config.txt
[3:36] <ReggieUK> and anything over 50Mhz should in theory require 1.8v
[3:36] <trevorman> you're going to need to do level translation
[3:36] <plugwash> or I guess you could use a seperate level translator but that may cause problems of it's own
[3:36] <ReggieUK> I'm not so sure you will
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[3:36] <trevorman> ReggieUK: thats out of spec though. you're overclocking the card
[3:36] <ReggieUK> the controller should deal with it
[3:37] <ReggieUK> indeed, that most certainly is out of spec
[3:37] <plugwash> generally both ends of a connection need to be running at the same voltage
[3:37] <plugwash> so if you are going to lower the SD card voltage then you will most likely also need to either lower the voltage to the IO bank on the SOC or put level translation in place
[3:37] <plugwash> unless the SOC has internal IO voltage switching or something
[3:37] <McGooch> ReggieUK: where you find details on the SD specifications? What would the Pi need to support SDXC?
[3:37] <ReggieUK> are you talking for the gpio?
[3:37] <trevorman> putting 3.3V into an SD card thats being powered by 1.8V is not going to be a good idea
[3:38] <ReggieUK> to support sdxc I believe it needs 1.8v for the higher speeds
[3:38] <trevorman> hope those clamping diodes work well
[3:38] <ReggieUK> but *all* sd cards are capable of being run at 25/50Mhz
[3:38] <ReggieUK> trevorman, agreed
[3:39] <ReggieUK> but I'm guessing that the arasan emmc controller deals with all the levels
[3:39] <plugwash> and i'm guessing that it doesn't
[3:39] <SpeedEvil> External voltage switching woul dbe the usual way to do this
[3:39] <SpeedEvil> for the power.
[3:39] <plugwash> i'm guessing that it needs an external feed of the voltage the SD card is being powered off
[3:40] <SpeedEvil> Switching using on-chip regulators or switches for the SD power would be enormously expensive in terms of area
[3:40] <trevorman> there are some pins that power the I/O on the SoC but we don't know what does what
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[3:46] <trevorman> the schematic has the two GPIO blocks show. the SD card one shares with the 4 config bits, audio and the HDMI hotplug detection input
[3:47] <ReggieUK> ahh
[3:48] <trevorman> the problem is that the block for the SD card has 3 Vdd lines for some reason. the other only has 2.
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[3:48] <trevorman> of those 3 lines, 2 of them are connected together and could be altered
[3:49] <trevorman> the other line directly connects to 3.3 so its going to be some internal layer most likely
[3:49] <trevorman> doesn't look very likely for a user mod anyway
[3:50] <ReggieUK> not a practical one at least
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[3:50] <curahack> Anyone here tried Sam Nazarro's RaspBMC?
[3:50] <ReggieUK> you could of course breakout the the sd socket and build your circuit around that
[3:50] <trevorman> you'd have to be incredibly brave and sure of yourself to start drilling into the PCB :)
[3:51] <trevorman> at least until rpis become really easy to buy
[3:51] <ReggieUK> so level translation could be done
[3:51] <ReggieUK> if that's the only issue here?
[3:52] <Butcho> what's is /opt/qt50-snapshot ?
[3:53] <trevorman> it'll need a good quality PCB to be made. you're not going to knock this up with a bit of veroboard. 6 data lines and most of them are bidirectional that you need to translate without too much skew
[3:53] <trevorman> 50mhz+ as well
[3:53] <SpeedEvil> Naah - it's trivial
[3:53] <SpeedEvil> you take a SD-> microSD adaptor, and mod it
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[3:54] <SpeedEvil> Or you don't mod it, and you add a teeny bit of insulation tape, and a wire
[3:54] <SpeedEvil> and some copper tape
[3:54] <trevorman> I mean the level translation circuit. Not the physical card
[3:54] <SpeedEvil> ah
[3:54] <ReggieUK> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9237
[3:54] <trevorman> you can buy SD card extenders. easier than the adapter
[3:55] <trevorman> that works
[3:55] <ReggieUK> you just want somethign like an SD card with some extras on it
[3:55] <ReggieUK> then of course the SD card on the pi would make it even longer :D
[3:56] <ReggieUK> card sniffer*
[3:57] <trevorman> what you need is http://www.ti.com/product/txs0206#feature
[3:57] <trevorman> that'll do precisely what you want
[3:57] <trevorman> BGA though so get the toaster oven ready
[3:58] <ReggieUK> check
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[4:00] <shirro> Nice. 19.84 MB/sec on the card I had given up on
[4:00] <ReggieUK> :)
[4:00] <ReggieUK> awesome
[4:00] <ReggieUK> so the patches work now then?
[4:01] <Helldesk> given up how? did it work at all?
[4:01] <shirro> Yes. This was one of the b368 cards that didn't like any patches up until now
[4:01] <ReggieUK> that'll be the compatibility stuff that zgreg did
[4:02] <SpeedEvil> A little script that dumped the card info, and dd results to a server or something somewhere would eb cool
[4:02] <Helldesk> is there any way to identify sd cards on a very specific level?
[4:03] <ReggieUK> there is kind of
[4:03] <ReggieUK> the driver obviously has to query the card and set up the card accordingly
[4:04] <ReggieUK> might be worth asking zgreg to put some debug stuff in to dump the pertinent information for us
[4:04] <shirro> Helldesk: you can see some of the info in the /sys/bus/mmc/devices/mmc0* directory
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[4:04] <ReggieUK> you can get at most of the info via:
[4:04] <ReggieUK> cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/mmc*/csd
[4:05] <neofutur> (04:54) <+ ReggieUK> so the patches work now then?
[4:05] <neofutur> very well for me
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[4:05] <shirro> Ok, now someone just needs to fix the usb and alsa drivers
[4:05] <ReggieUK> neofutur, I was asking shirro as he'd previously tried them and they didn't work for him, he's got specific cards
[4:05] <ReggieUK> so I suggested he try the new ones
[4:06] <ReggieUK> I believe Simon- is also working on some SD drivers
[4:06] <Helldesk> huh, tried the arch linux image on the 4 GB card I've been using and it won't boot up at all
[4:06] <shirro> Simon will rewrite it though. I want something that works now
[4:06] <trevorman> i'm curious as to why broadcom say that its 80mhz for a good reason though. it would be helpful if they said why lol
[4:06] <ReggieUK> shirro, indeed
[4:06] <trevorman> if it was "oh if you set it to 81mhz then there is a 1/256 chance the rpi will implode" then yeah we know not to do it
[4:06] <ReggieUK> this is a fantastic proof of concept and also shows the way forward
[4:07] <ReggieUK> trevorman, zgreg beat me to coding the patches but I'd come to the conclusion that the driver setup was just wrong
[4:07] <ReggieUK> 80Mhz/20Mhz is not going to get anywhere near 25/50Mhz, ever
[4:07] <trevorman> well yeah but they said its like that for a reason
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[4:08] <trevorman> something about how they do weird clocking
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[4:08] <SpeedEvil> Maybe something like bus corruption at non-integer core clock/mmc clock or something
[4:08] <trevorman> just some clarification as to why its unusual would be nice
[4:08] <trevorman> yeah
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[4:08] <shirro> Ok. Now how do I get it faster than 19MB/s? We think 25 is the limit within spec, is that right?
[4:08] <ReggieUK> 20mhz is mmc clock speed
[4:08] <ReggieUK> 25MB/s is the absolute theoretical limit
[4:09] <ReggieUK> but you'll have overheads
[4:09] <shirro> So 19 is pretty good then
[4:09] <ReggieUK> 19 is very good :)
[4:09] <ReggieUK> and of course, now no one needs to overclock to get modest speeds from their cards
[4:09] <trevorman> shirro: that with a non overclocked emmc core?
[4:10] <trevorman> ReggieUK: urgh yeah. need to update the wiki about that
[4:10] <Helldesk> hmm
[4:10] <shirro> trevorman: init_emmc_clock=50000000
[4:10] <ReggieUK> if anything the emmc clock is now underclocked
[4:10] <trevorman> somebody changed it and just said hey overclock this and it'll be faster! but didn't actually give any other background
[4:10] <trevorman> ReggieUK: broadcom say set it between 50 and 100
[4:10] <ReggieUK> that was the original 'hack' to get more speed out of it
[4:10] <Helldesk> put a start.elf from debian onto the arch boot sector on the sd card and still nothing...
[4:10] <ReggieUK> it shouldn't be *any* faster than 50Mhz
[4:10] <Helldesk> I suppose this Sandisk card could be a bum one
[4:11] <shirro> trevorman: the overclock hack was struggling to get better than 12MB/s
[4:11] <ReggieUK> because of the cards and the missing 1.8v
[4:11] <ReggieUK> we basically have 2 speeds that the cards will run at now
[4:11] <trevorman> ReggieUK: "The frequency of this clock should be selected between 50 MHz and 100
[4:11] <trevorman> MHz." its not the actual clock that the card runs off. this is before the multipler
[4:11] <shirro> Could a card start at 1.8V if the interface was hardwired to the voltage?
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> shirro: It violates spec. This isn't of course a no.
[4:12] <ReggieUK> default speed (25Mhz, yeilding upto 12.5MB/s) and high speed (50Mhz, yeilding upto 25MB/s)
[4:12] <trevorman> shirro: the SoC would still be driving it at 3.3V and that'd be a bad idea
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[4:12] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure the drivers wouldn't be configurable
[4:12] <trevorman> it may work okay for a bit and then mysteriously die or it may work forever *shrug*
[4:13] <ReggieUK> wow
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[4:13] <ReggieUK> first time I've taken a decent look at the sd socket
[4:13] <ReggieUK> those are some biiiiiig pins to solder to :D
[4:13] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: they are but getting access to the Vdd IO pin that drives that particular IO group wouldn't be easy
[4:14] <trevorman> ReggieUK: ehh seen bigger. look over at the composite socket ;)
[4:14] <trevorman> I look at the SD socket and think somebody has broken off the usual metal shield
[4:15] <Helldesk> looks like I have to buy in and win at the SD card lottery...
[4:15] <ReggieUK> everything I've messed with recently has had a microSD on it
[4:16] <ReggieUK> that's why they look big :)
[4:16] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: I mean configurable between the rails internally
[4:16] * SpeedEvil wants a proper datasheet.
[4:16] <Helldesk> the weird part is that this card works with debian at least, IF it's not powered up if it's just been shut down...
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[4:17] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: looks like its just the VDDIO pins. not having any other datasheet apart from one to configure the peripherals is annoying
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[4:17] <SpeedEvil> hmm
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[4:19] <trevorman> shame that they didn't break out any of the unused GPIOs
[4:19] <trevorman> even just a bunch of TPs would be okay
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[4:20] <ReggieUK> text version of the schematic would be nice too
[4:20] <ReggieUK> and an accurate schematic :D
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[4:21] <trevorman> who was it that wanted the serial handshaking lines?
[4:22] <ReggieUK> me and gordonDrogon
[4:22] <trevorman> the GPIO docs has it defined as alternative pin functions
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[4:25] <trevorman> wonder if you could turn the SoC JTAG pins into GPIOs
[4:25] <trevorman> JTAG is listed as an alternative function for some of the GPIO pins
[4:26] <ReggieUK> trevorman, thanks for pointing it out!
[4:27] <ReggieUK> so there was actually no need for either myself or gordonDrogon to think about having to implement it via gpio :D
[4:27] <SpeedEvil> you can probably use the SD as GPIO too.
[4:27] <SpeedEvil> But...
[4:28] <trevorman> lol
[4:28] <trevorman> this is similar to the card detect switch that is wired up
[4:28] <trevorman> great that you can detect that somebody has yanked out your boot card....
[4:28] <ReggieUK> welllll
[4:28] <trevorman> wiring up the WP switch would have been more helpful
[4:28] <ReggieUK> only if you query the gpio
[4:29] <ReggieUK> which the driver doesn't so the card detect pin is quite useless right now
[4:29] <ReggieUK> but in theory it could be useful for hotplugging
[4:29] <trevorman> so it can print out "AHHH!!! PUT THAT BACK BEFORE YOU REBOOT!!!"
[4:30] <ReggieUK> it's more useful if you are running the rootfs from elsewhere and want to put a different card in
[4:30] <ReggieUK> but admittedly, it's usefulness is limited
[4:31] <Helldesk> sd cards rely on the thing reading it respecting the write protect "switch", it does nothing by itself and mini- and microsd cards don't even have them
[4:31] <trevorman> Helldesk: yeah. its just a little plastic tab
[4:31] <Helldesk> how fast is a "class 4" sd card?
[4:31] <trevorman> the socket does have the switch though
[4:32] <Helldesk> I'm writing back the image I backed up from one earlier and it's going onto it at 3.5 MB/s
[4:32] <trevorman> class 4 is 4MB/s minimum
[4:32] <trevorman> when card is fragmented
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[4:33] <trevorman> my card is a class 4 but also says 133x which is 20MB/s. I assume that 20MB/s is actually sustained non fragmented
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[4:33] <Helldesk> the hard part about buying new sd cards is that you have no idea what you are getting
[4:33] <Helldesk> and you can't buy quality
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[4:34] <trevorman> ah no. that x speed apparently means read OR write. useful
[4:34] <trevorman> so you could have a card that writes at 1MB/s but if you can read it at 90MB/s then you could call it a class 1 600x card
[4:35] <Helldesk> 1) try it yourself 2) fix it yourself 3) trust nothing
[4:36] <amelia_> Trust nothing anyway :P
[4:37] <Helldesk> that is a given and it's the rule number zero, that third one there was just a reminder
[4:40] <Wolfram74> grumble, for some reason my pygame.midi isn't working
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[4:51] <Helldesk> SanDisk SDHC 4 GB Class 4, BH1029316016G
[4:51] <Helldesk> terrible
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[4:56] <amelia_> Helldesk: I'll keep that in mind :)
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[5:01] <jebba> wow. huge room.
[5:01] * jebba powering on *pi for first time fwiw
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[5:07] <Helldesk> it's all down to the power supply and the SD card :)
[5:07] <Helldesk> you can choose a good power supply, but SD card is down to sheer luck
[5:08] <ReggieUK> g'night all
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[5:08] <Helldesk> sleep tight, I'm off as well
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[5:08] <shirro> Does anyone else get lots of Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt - cmd12 with the faster sd card
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[5:09] <shirro> Writing to the card produces lots of them.
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[5:10] <jebba> inflating: debian6-19-04-2012/debian6-19-04-2012.img
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[5:13] <jebba> Helldesk: i just powered it off usb, which is presumably fine (connected to laptop). i havent rtfm much of anything yet tho
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[5:48] <RITRedbeard> Hello.
[5:49] <McGooch> Hi
[5:50] <RITRedbeard> Anyone having any interesting adventures with their Raspberries lately?
[5:51] <McGooch> I got mine working, but don't know enough about linux yet to get the new patches in.
[5:51] <Darth_X> I want to buy one
[5:51] <McGooch> I would like to apply the SD speed fix patch once I figure out how to compile it
[5:51] <RITRedbeard> I've moved on to Allwinner A10 platform.
[5:51] <RITRedbeard> But we're all on the same team.
[5:52] <McGooch> Darth_X: I hope backlog gets cleared up soon, I want another on :)
[5:52] <RITRedbeard> Should be here in early July for me, my A10/M802
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[5:54] <RITRedbeard> I also got the Atrix Lapdock.
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[5:55] <McGooch> I don't think the A10 is going to be near the same price point
[5:55] <RITRedbeard> It was $75 USD
[5:55] <mikey_w> The A13 is closer to the price point.
[5:55] <RITRedbeard> but it was worth it.
[5:56] <McGooch> At $75 I care if I break it.
[5:56] <McGooch> The R-Pi I'm going to build it into things :)
[5:56] <RITRedbeard> Eh.
[5:56] <mikey_w> A10 development is totally unorganized.
[5:56] <RITRedbeard> lol
[5:56] <RITRedbeard> Funny, those guys say the same things about you.
[5:56] <Scepterr> community matters
[5:57] <RITRedbeard> Working on an open source driver for your GPU?
[5:57] <RITRedbeard> Oh, you're not?
[5:57] <RITRedbeard> Shame.
[5:57] <Syliss> lol
[5:57] <Scepterr> is there a need for it ?
[5:57] <McGooch> I don't need it
[5:58] <RITRedbeard> Also, building the Pi into things just screams "Arduino Mentality"
[5:58] <McGooch> OpenGL ES 2.0 already working in my code. That box is checked already.
[5:58] <Syliss> RITRedbeard: same with the m802
[5:58] <Scepterr> first one im using to run outdoor displays
[5:58] <Scepterr> once more volume is avail, vm terminals
[5:58] <McGooch> Yes it does, and nothing wrong with that
[5:58] <McGooch> \
[5:58] <Syliss> i want too tho
[5:58] <RITRedbeard> I don't plan to build an alarm clock with the m802.
[5:58] <RITRedbeard> I plan to use it for computing.
[5:59] <RITRedbeard> That's what I mean.
[5:59] <McGooch> Bah, I have a computer for that
[5:59] <Syliss> i wouldn't use the pi for an alarm clock
[5:59] <McGooch> This one
[5:59] <Syliss> I've used mine as media pc
[5:59] <McGooch> I'd use a teensy for an alarm clock
[5:59] <Syliss> my iPhone works just fine
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[6:00] <McGooch> I'm building a little games console on the Pi
[6:00] <Darth_X> yeah!
[6:00] <RITRedbeard> Well, that's different.
[6:00] <RITRedbeard> I thought you meant like, centering around a simple solution around a Pi.
[6:00] <Darth_X> you're not the only one, heh
[6:00] <Syliss> i want to get the lap dock for my pi
[6:00] <RITRedbeard> as is commonly found on Hackaday
[6:00] <RITRedbeard> I'll let you know how the Lapdock works.
[6:00] <Syliss> thats all crap
[6:00] <RITRedbeard> If you want I can do a review or whatever.
[6:00] <Syliss> RITRedbeard: i know it works
[6:01] <RITRedbeard> I mean how well it is, build quality, etc
[6:01] <RITRedbeard> especially if you managed to snag one for $50
[6:01] <RITRedbeard> yum yum yum!
[6:01] <Syliss> lol
[6:01] <RITRedbeard> with a real resolution, too
[6:01] <RITRedbeard> x768 is right, son
[6:01] <Syliss> I've used the dock before
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[6:02] <Syliss> you just need to make/buy a case for the pi to fit nicely with the dock
[6:02] <RITRedbeard> I've also got 5vdc switchmode battery packs (commerical ones)
[6:02] <RITRedbeard> I feel like I'm one of few who is doing this kinda stuff-ish
[6:02] <RITRedbeard> So it should be interesting.
[6:02] <RITRedbeard> I still want a Pi, though.
[6:03] <RITRedbeard> I'm going to wait until the craze blows over, the xbmc media craze blows over and get a model a
[6:03] <Syliss> well i have the pi already
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[6:03] <McGooch> I got 3 of them
[6:03] <Scepterr> with a model a you could power it off the usb port on most tvs
[6:03] <Syliss> oh and i would suggest taking the panel off from the back, the micro hdmi and usb are moveable
[6:04] <RITRedbeard> from the lapdock?
[6:04] <Syliss> yes
[6:04] <RITRedbeard> for the motorola atrix?
[6:04] <Syliss> cause you will need adapters
[6:04] <RITRedbeard> hmm
[6:04] <RITRedbeard> i'll keep that in mind and check it out
[6:04] <Syliss> and you will need more room between jacks
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[6:04] <Syliss> it works for a phone, not the pi
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[6:05] <RITRedbeard> I understand, I'll be getting the mk802 in a few days
[6:05] <RITRedbeard> the selling point was cortex, community seemed to be burning oil, and it was available :)
[6:05] <Syliss> i wanted one of those
[6:05] <RITRedbeard> you can still get one if you've got some money
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[6:05] <RITRedbeard> this whole project thing is hurting my wallet
[6:05] <Syliss> i dont
[6:06] <RITRedbeard> dx has em
[6:06] <Syliss> if they had them on amazon i would, have a bunch of gc's
[6:06] <RITRedbeard> gc?
[6:06] <Syliss> which I'm planning on using towards a lapdock
[6:06] <Syliss> gift cards
[6:06] <RITRedbeard> oh
[6:06] <RITRedbeard> yeah I wish that RPfoundation made a deal with Amazon or something
[6:07] <RITRedbeard> or raised some capital for better launch
[6:07] <RITRedbeard> :(
[6:07] <Syliss> yeah
[6:08] <Syliss> i plan on getting an A for the lap dock too since i can keep the B at home and use the A when out
[6:08] <RITRedbeard> weird question, what are you going to use the GPIO for?
[6:08] <RITRedbeard> I mean theoretically older computers have GPIO, it's just called a parallel port and not as easy... bit of circuitry required - not much :)
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[6:09] <Syliss> i dont really
[6:10] <McGooch> Not sure, generally when I needed GPIO the job was really simple and something like a teensy made a lot more sense. I don't have anything that needs GPIO and a lot of horsepower yet.
[6:10] <McGooch> But still a fun option to play with
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[6:10] <RITRedbeard> I love the guys who make the teensy
[6:10] <RITRedbeard> useful, that damn teensy
[6:10] <neofutur> !weather
[6:10] <PiBot> neofutur: in Cuzco, Cusco. Temp 42??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 30%, Later 66??F - 34??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[6:11] <McGooch> I plan on making some custom controllers for my little console out of old snes controllers but I won't use gpio for that either
[6:12] <McGooch> Again, I would put a teensy in it and use USB
[6:12] <RITRedbeard> I bet the raspberry pi is fast enough to run some DSP applications
[6:12] <RITRedbeard> like guitar rig mobile
[6:12] <McGooch> Easily fast enough
[6:13] <RITRedbeard> not the heavy CPU simulations
[6:13] <RITRedbeard> but the simplier ones, sure
[6:13] <RITRedbeard> "my pedal board is a pi"
[6:13] <McGooch> No, it could do a convolution reverb also
[6:14] <McGooch> The harder DSP would need to be moved to the GPU
[6:14] <McGooch> There are ~24GFLOPs over there that could be used.
[6:14] <RITRedbeard> heh
[6:14] <RITRedbeard> yeah
[6:15] <RITRedbeard> there is a USB GPS unit on market for $30 USD, have you tried it?
[6:15] <RITRedbeard> I wonder if it is any decent.
[6:16] <Scepterr> ive got a globalsat usb gps dongle i could try
[6:17] <Syliss> what gpu does the m802 have?
[6:18] <RITRedbeard> Mali 400?
[6:18] <RITRedbeard> same as FXI's Cotton Candy
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[6:19] <RITRedbeard> Scepterr, ND-100S?
[6:20] <neofutur> !weather_set c
[6:20] <PiBot> neofutur: You're now using celsius.
[6:20] <neofutur> !weather
[6:20] <PiBot> neofutur: in Cuzco, Cusco. Temp 6??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 30%, Later 18??C - 1??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[6:21] <Syliss> the cotton candy is way too expensive
[6:21] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, if they don't adjust price it will crash and burn because of the clones.
[6:21] <Syliss> that apc board is now up for preorder
[6:21] <RITRedbeard> Which is essentially what mk802 is
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[6:24] <Syliss> the mk802 looks cool, only issue i have is linux other than android on it
[6:24] <RITRedbeard> simple fix I think
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[6:25] <trevorman> you can run ubuntu on it
[6:25] * PiBot sets mode +v ebarch
[6:26] <Syliss> okay
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[6:31] <RITRedbeard> Any MIPI/DSI devices we can use with Pi?
[6:31] <RITRedbeard> or any that exist?
[6:31] <RITRedbeard> like
[6:31] <RITRedbeard> it's kinda obscure-ish... meant for embedded no?
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[6:38] <mischief> hey guys i just got my raspberry pi and downloaded the debian image off the main site. but the login pi/raspberry doesn't work. any ideas??
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[6:39] <neofutur> mischief: azerty/qwerty ? uppercase ?
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[6:40] <mischief> azerty/qwerty didnt work nor did the same thing uppercase
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[6:41] <mischief> i guess i can mount it and change the pw that way :\
[6:41] <stev> did you download debian6-19-04-2012.zip ?
[6:41] <mischief> yep
[6:42] <stev> well, then I don't know why.
[6:45] <stev> maybe try pi/suse or root/root ?
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[6:48] <Arch1mede> neofutur: you here?
[6:49] <neofutur> yes ?
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[6:50] <Arch1mede> neofutur: i tried your cpu settings and i got a wierd multicolored screen and the pi refused to boot.....any suggestions?
[6:50] <neofutur> mine is reall happy with those settings
[6:50] <neofutur> i think having a very good AC adaptor is important
[6:50] <Arch1mede> neofutur: and what i mean by that is...no other lights came on except the power light and that was it
[6:50] <neofutur> I have the RS one
[6:50] <Arch1mede> neofutur: ohh maybe thats it
[6:51] <Arch1mede> rs?
[6:51] <neofutur> once in a while i need to unplug / replug more than once to get it boot
[6:51] <neofutur> ( even before i overclocked )
[6:51] <Arch1mede> yeah i tried that to
[6:51] <Arch1mede> i removed the config/txt file and it boots like normal
[6:51] <neofutur> just in case paste your full config.txt ?
[6:51] <Arch1mede> err config.txt
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[6:51] <Arch1mede> well i copied and pasted it from what was on the web site
[6:51] <Ben64> whats the point of overclocking pi?
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[6:52] <neofutur> http://p.gw.gd/index.php/view/cf923d71
[6:52] <neofutur> my config.txt
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[6:53] <Arch1mede> hmm maybe i will try that but all i had was the first 4 lines
[6:53] <Arch1mede> neofutur: do you have a link to the ps you are using?
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[6:54] <neofutur> yup the forst 4 lines are the importnt part
[6:54] <neofutur> what s your Ac adaptor ?
[6:54] <Arch1mede> its a blackberry charger
[6:56] <Arch1mede> i have an old bb storm lying around
[6:56] <Arch1mede> man what a pile of pew that was
[6:57] <Ben64> yep
[6:57] <Ben64> i remember trying that when i was looking for my 1st smartphone
[6:57] <Ben64> insta-nope
[6:57] <neofutur> the rs one have a good reputation : http://export.rsdelivers.com/product/rs/hnp06-microusb/micro-usb-power-supply-adapter-euro-12a/7263053.aspx
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[7:00] <Arch1mede> man i always forget how to search in a scrollback buffer in irssi
[7:00] <neofutur> ( and its the one I use )
[7:00] <neofutur> Arch1mede: pageup
[7:01] <Arch1mede> neofutur: lol no
[7:01] <neofutur> /lastlog keyword
[7:02] <Arch1mede> yeah i just tried that and didnt get the result i was looking for...im actually looking for your hdparm output to show Ben64 the benifit of overclocking
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[7:03] <neofutur> (09:37) <+ neofutur> (05:28) <+ neofutur> /dev/mmcblk0: Timing buffered disk reads: 44 MB in 3.05 seconds = 14.42 MB/sec
[7:03] <neofutur> I used /lastlog uffered to find it
[7:03] <neofutur> I was at 4MB/s before the setting and zgreg kernel
[7:03] <Arch1mede> ohhhh i used the wrong word to search
[7:03] <Arch1mede> Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 3.15 seconds = 4.44 MB/sec
[7:04] <Ben64> you know its not the cpu speed that matters for that
[7:04] <neofutur> yes 4-5 MB seems to be the limit before the patches
[7:04] <neofutur> and my card isold, like 3-4 years
[7:07] <Arch1mede> Ben64: yes i know but the sd card read makes a difference
[7:07] <neofutur> I ll try to find a class 1 to test it soon
[7:07] <neofutur> class _10_
[7:07] <Ben64> overclocking wouldn't change that
[7:07] <Arch1mede> thats what i have now is a class 10
[7:07] <Ben64> class 10 can be slower than class 6
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[7:07] <Darth_X> <+Ben64> class 10 can be slower than class 6 <- UH OH! I just ordered a class 10
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[7:07] <Arch1mede> as did i
[7:07] <neofutur> ben64_: actually overclocking made it a little bit faster
[7:07] <neofutur> nearly nothing but still
[7:07] <Arch1mede> i guess i just assumed that a class 10 was faster
[7:07] <neofutur> from
[7:07] <Ben64> class 10 = minimum 10MB/s sequential
[7:07] <Ben64> class 6 = minimum 6MB/s random
[7:07] <neofutur> ah i cant find it
[7:08] <neofutur> but something like 0.2 MB/seconds faster after overclocking
[7:08] <Ben64> thats statistically insignificant
[7:08] <neofutur> sure
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[7:46] <chancellorsmith> Gadgetoid: are you around ?
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[7:56] * Xark wishes "shutdown -h now" worked reliably on the Pi (about 1/2 of the time it just hangs after printing "Restarting system." on the serial console). Not fun when toying with the RPI remotely. :)
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[7:58] <Arch1mede> Xark: ok i thought it was just me that noticed that
[7:59] <Xark> Arch1mede: Cool. Thanks for confirming it isn't just me. :)
[7:59] <Ben64> Xark: -h is halt, not reboot
[7:59] <Xark> D'oh, that was a brain fart (sure I said "-r"). Otherwise the TTY log would have "Halting system" (I checked). :)
[8:00] <Arch1mede> Xark: i thought maybe it was the settings i was messing with
[8:01] * Xark also sees "Jun 11 20:32:04 raspberrypi shutdown[1535]: shutting down for system reboot" in logs...
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[8:02] <Arch1mede> i donno if its a pi issue though or a disto issue
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[8:04] <Xark> Arch1mede: It is odd that it prints that message (and sometimes does work). I suspect it is a Pi specific issue (kernel is "trying" to reboot).
[8:05] <Arch1mede> Xark: yeah but the way i understand it...you issue a shutdown that sends it to the OS then the hardware
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[8:06] <Xark> Arch1mede: Yeah, I get that. However, I believe the "system halted" and "System restarting" are low-level prints directly from the kernel before it tries to do each (so if you get that, you already are out of userland and into low-level kernel). It is not surprising that Pi may need some special shutdown/restart code.
[8:07] <Xark> So, the way I see it if the kernel didn't do whatever it needed to do to restart reliably, it is a kernel issue. :)
[8:08] <Xark> (Unless something wacky like this hardware is "unable" to restart cleanly - but I am doubting that).
[8:14] <Darth_X> blame it on the kernel!
[8:14] <Arch1mede> heh
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[8:16] <Xark> Does anybody know if it is normal for a Debian system to keep rpcbind port open? Seems questionable (I added OPTIONS="-i 127.0.0.1" to /etc/defaults/portmap to make it stop).
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[8:18] <Arch1mede> Xark: which port is that? 111?
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[8:18] <Xark> Arch1mede: Sounds right IIRC.
[8:19] <Arch1mede> Xark: yeah just go into services and disable it
[8:20] <Xark> Arch1mede: OK. I wasn't sure exactly what needed it (but I think mainly nfs, which I doubt I will use).
[8:20] * gordonDrogon waves.
[8:20] <gordonDrogon> Morning...
[8:21] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Hi. Did you ever get the Arduino IDE to cooperate? :)
[8:21] <gordonDrogon> Absolutely.
[8:22] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Any "tips" on the serial port?
[8:22] <gordonDrogon> And I can download via serial into the ATmegas too.
[8:22] <gordonDrogon> tips? in what way?
[8:22] <Xark> (also I wonder if they would work for USB Arduino - it does show up as a tty...)
[8:22] <gordonDrogon> USB is OK too...
[8:22] <gordonDrogon> I've had USB arduinos off my Pi for some time now..
[8:23] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Well, I spent a good while but never got the IDE to show any serial (but I am sure it is my issue).
[8:23] <gordonDrogon> Right - that is an issue.
[8:23] <gordonDrogon> You can hack the IDE...
[8:23] <gordonDrogon> Or fake the serial port.
[8:23] <Xark> OK, so there is some hackery required. :)
[8:23] <gordonDrogon> cd /dev ; ln -s ttyAMA0 ttyUSB9
[8:24] <gordonDrogon> then restart the IDE.
[8:24] <gordonDrogon> but you first need to kill getty and edit cmdline.txt to remove all traces of console output.
[8:25] <Xark> Hmm. I did mess around and install some drivers, so when I plug in USB Arduino R3 (not FTDI based), I get a /dev/ttyACM0
[8:26] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Even if I am using that console for syslog?
[8:26] <Xark> gordonDrogon: I don't want my Arduino on GPIO port...
[8:27] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to do the same I think as I don't think the 0018 arduino IDE recognises ACM devices.
[8:27] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Well, I am using 1.0.1 (older ones have too many lib bugs).
[8:27] <Xark> gordonDrogon: You are using Debian version?
[8:27] <gordonDrogon> ok. if your just using USB, then no need to touch the console stuff.
[8:27] <gordonDrogon> Yes. standard debian.
[8:28] <gordonDrogon> so cd /dev ; ln -s ttyACM0 ttyUSB9
[8:28] <gordonDrogon> then look for ttyUSB9 in the IDE.
[8:28] <Xark> gordonDrogon: OK, I'll try that and give it another go (probably hose off my current hack and start fresh again).
[8:29] <gordonDrogon> it's jus a matter of faking it up to make the IDE work OK.
[8:29] <gordonDrogon> when you say lib bugs, I presume you mean in the Arduino supplied ones?
[8:29] <gordonDrogon> and not avr-gcc, etc ?
[8:29] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yes. I am working on an Arduino lib.
[8:29] <gordonDrogon> ok
[8:30] <gordonDrogon> Have to admit, I've rarely used the Arduino IDE + libs at all.
[8:30] <Xark> gordonDrogon: However, I did find (and report) an AVR binutils bug (lpm rN,Z is incorrectly disassembled as lpm rN,Z+ by objdump -d).
[8:30] <gordonDrogon> I more or less re-write it for my own needs, but for this project, I need to be as close to the standard install as possible.
[8:31] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yeah, I don't find the Arduino libs "helpful" personally, but I am trying to "play nice" with them. :)
[8:31] <gordonDrogon> I'm writing a guide to use the on-board Pi serial port with a custom board.
[8:32] <gordonDrogon> so if I make it use all the standard stuff, then old-hands will be able to adapt it to their need to use e.g. later IDEs manually installed rather than apt-get ...
[8:32] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Cool. I was considering adding a bit to the wiki saying that it works great with standard Arduino FTDI cable or FTDI "friend" type breakout (since these are 3.3v for signal lines).
[8:33] <gordonDrogon> that's still USB - but that already works if it pops up a /dev/ttyUSBx..
[8:33] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Well, I am saying for use as a serial port (outputting to "putty" on PC).
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[8:33] <gordonDrogon> ah, right. serial port on the Pi to a PC ..
[8:33] <Xark> IOW RPi GPIO -> FTDI -> PC USB
[8:34] <gordonDrogon> yes, that'll work fine.
[8:34] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Serial terminals are hard to find these days. :)
[8:34] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yeah. The wiki claims "you need soldering skills", which isn't quite true (but probably a handy "scarecrow" there anyways). :)
[8:34] <gordonDrogon> indeed... probably for the best too - it's 'real' serial ports on PCs that are becoming rarer..
[8:34] <gordonDrogon> what wiki page?
[8:35] <Xark> elinux...one...one sec
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[8:36] <Xark> http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection (it is linked from raspberrypi.org, so it is semi-official)
[8:36] <gordonDrogon> This project board connectes directly to the GPIO header, so no soldering needed at that point.
[8:37] <gordonDrogon> ok, thanks. was just wondering if there was any duplication of effort!
[8:37] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Nice. I assume buffers the delicate Pi?
[8:37] <Xark> gordonDrogon: The wiki is pretty light, so I doubt it. :)
[8:37] <gordonDrogon> not to the ATmega - it's all direct 3.3v logic.
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[8:38] <gordonDrogon> an issue I have is that at 3.3v the max. clock speed of an aTmega is a shade under 12MHz...
[8:38] <Xark> Ahh, right, custom board you menationed.
[8:38] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Which chip?
[8:39] <gordonDrogon> either 168 or 328p
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[8:39] <gordonDrogon> standard 28-pin DIL one.
[8:39] <Xark> Hmm.
[8:39] <gordonDrogon> maybe a bit old fashioned, but they're cheap enough.
[8:40] <gordonDrogon> I've not used a 168 for some time - forgotten how little RAM they have - oops!
[8:41] <Xark> I was under the impression that 8Mhz was max (but may have been diff chip).
[8:41] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yeah, not like the 328 has "lots", but the different is significant. :)
[8:41] <Xark> difference*
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> They'll do 20MHz, but need a good 5V supply for that.
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> yes, double :)
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> a massive 2K of RAM :)
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[8:42] <Xark> Yes, but at 3.3v I thought it was 8Mhz (but I think that may be more for internal osc than chip limit - like on Fio etc.)
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> yes, the internal osc. is 8MHz max.
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[8:44] <Xark> Hmm found "At 1.8V you can clock upto 4MHz, at 2.7V upto 10MHz and 4.5V upto 20MHz." so 12Mhz at 3.3v is very believable. :)
[8:44] <gordonDrogon> See page 322 of the manual - it has a graph...
[8:44] <gordonDrogon> bit like overvoltaging the Pi :)
[8:44] <Xark> Thanks. That is the chart I was looking for (but pdf search was failing). :)
[8:45] <gordonDrogon> (assuming you have the same manual as me!)
[8:45] <Xark> Yeah, AVR chips are "robust" I have run my 328 at 25Mhz no problem (and 30Mhz is supposedly not too difficult).
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[8:46] <gordonDrogon> :)
[8:46] <gordonDrogon> I did some work on an ArduPilotMega last year - I was surprised they didn't use 20MHz, but that would have needed more changes to the bootloader.
[8:47] <gordonDrogon> and the bootloader is ugly - looks like it's been hacked at random over the years with no one person looking after it.
[8:47] <gordonDrogon> I had to edit the code just to make it compile.
[8:47] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yeah. I swapped crystals after uploading for my little test (I can generate 64 column video @ 25Mhz). :)
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[8:47] <gordonDrogon> neat!
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[8:47] <gordonDrogon> the only biggie is then the baud-rate, but that's easy once the system is booted.
[8:48] <gordonDrogon> Do you have a parallel/usb programmer?
[8:48] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yeah, enhancing the TVout library -> here is 16Mhz with character graphics -> http://imgur.com/ARyVk
[8:48] <gordonDrogon> I built one when my last desktop had a parallel port, but bought a usb one recently.
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[8:48] <xboxor-at-work> Good morning Pi world
[8:48] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yes, avrMkII
[8:49] <gordonDrogon> not a bad font that.
[8:49] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Also, TinyISP...
[8:49] <gordonDrogon> I have an olimex USB device.
[8:49] <Xark> gordonDrogon: That was semi-difficult at 2 cycles per pixel. :)
[8:49] <gordonDrogon> doesn't leave much left over for anything else to run :)
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> morning xboxor-at-work
[8:50] <Xark> gordonDrogon: About 20-30% of the CPU is available. You can see "bogomips" test here http://imgur.com/a/clIyn
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[8:50] <Xark> gordonDrogon: That is a 4 cycle/pixel mode (but still "wastes" the entire screen time regardless)
[8:51] <stev> Currently the foundation says debian is the recommended distro; Will they change to fedora remix when new version releases?
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> heh.. that's a mass of wired there and I think I spot a seeduino mega there too :)
[8:51] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yeah, really just a 328 on a breadboard, but a few other Arduinos in the shot. :)
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> stev, no idea - and why would they change? Debian seems to be being accepted...
[8:52] <stev> gordonDrogon: They listed fedora remix as recommended previously.
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> stev, yup - but it wasn't stable enough from what I recall...
[8:53] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yes, Seeeduino mega 1280 (nice board - brings all lines out) and Teensy++2.0 (nice for the size and upload speed). Also a "Hackvision" which was my starting point (but it is bitmap only and as we were discussing AVR doesn't have enough RAM for a good bitmap mode).
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> I'm happy with Debian - but I've been using it for 18 years...
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> Xark, yea, I bought one for a project a while back when I needed more IO.
[8:53] <Xark> stev: I think Fedora remix got delayed a "class" (so more students can get it ready).
[8:54] <stev> Xark: I don't understand what you said.
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> Personally, I will be somewhat annoyed if the foundation immediately drops support for Debian when Fedora is 'ready' ...
[8:54] <Xark> gordonDrogon: It kills me that (e.g.) Arduino folks left out 3 of 3 XCK lines on their Mega (and I need XCK to read PS/2 keyboard while generating video).
[8:55] <stev> gordonDrogon: me too.
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> Xark, yea, there have been some very intersting design decisions over the whole range... e.g. the non 0.1" spacings between the connectors!
[8:55] <Xark> stev: Fedora remix for Pi is being worked on by students in Canada. It wasn't ready when Pi launched (lots of problems), so they aren't recommending it now (but perhaps they will on the next revision).
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> still, it's been a great platform for getting people back into this sort of lower level control.
[8:55] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Totally.
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> it'll be nice to have alternatives - just like Linux on the PC platform, but if the foundation then starts to produce software dedicated to just one release (e.g. critical drivers!) then it'll be a major PITA
[8:56] <stev> Xark: I see. Thanks for explanation. Howver some pages still say fedora remix is "recommanded".
[8:57] <gordonDrogon> I think they're just lazy in updating their own website :)
[8:57] <gordonDrogon> right. I need to go get some breakfast and put the bins out....
[8:57] <gordonDrogon> later...
[8:57] <Xark> stev: Those pages are out of date, it isn't even linked on the download page. :)
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[8:58] <stev> Xark: well, I know that. But I spooses many people out there don't know that.
[8:58] <Xark> stev: No doubt. :)
[9:00] <Arch1mede> i like debian squeeze
[9:01] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, wonder what chancellorsmith wanted
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[9:04] <stev> Xark: by the way, did you say you are annoyed by rpi's shutdown -h?
[9:04] <Xark> stev: Yes, typo I mean "shutdown -r now" (an it hangs and doesn't reboot sometimes - usually when it senses I am actually remote).
[9:05] <stev> Xark: I'm annoyed by the same situation.
[9:06] <Xark> stev: A minor point, but a real basic thing that one would like to rely on. Hopefully it will not be too difficult to teach the kernel to reboot reliably...
[9:06] <stev> Xark: rpi sometimes doesn't reboot. Have any idea?
[9:06] <Xark> stev: I haven't looked at the code, but it seems to me it is a kernel issue.
[9:06] <stev> Xark: well, this is not a minor point to me.
[9:07] <Xark> stev: Well, minor (to some) compared to non-accelerated X and flaky slow SD card access. :)
[9:07] <Xark> However, one would hope much easier to address (I wonder if the kernel devs are aware of this issue).
[9:08] <stev> Xark: i don't use X.
[9:08] <Arch1mede> stev: i dont use X as well normally but its neat to show someone what a 35$ computer can do running it
[9:08] <stev> Xark: Kernel issue. Wonderful...out of my touch. I'll depend on you and kernel devs to fix it. :)
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[9:09] <Arch1mede> i need to speed up the SD access though
[9:09] <Xark> Arch1mede: I think that will be coming soon from what I am hearing. :)
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[9:09] <stev> Arch1mede: X on my rpi and SD card is too slow to use......for me.
[9:10] * Xark doesn't trust SD (slow or fast), so he has a USB HDD root for now.
[9:10] <Arch1mede> yeah X is a little slow but i have a machine that i got used for like 30$ and the pi puts it to shame
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[9:10] <stev> Xark: very good. I'll buy USB HDD some time later. Currently just mess with rpi.
[9:10] <hotwings> Xark - why dont you trust sd?
[9:10] <hotwings> or do you mean rpi sd only?
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[9:10] <stev> Arch1mede: I see. i know that.
[9:10] <Arch1mede> Xark: yeah i was looking into that myself...what guide did you use to get it to boot from the usb hdd?
[9:11] <Xark> hotwings: Because in my experience it is just not up to being a root filesystem. I base this on experience with N800, OLPC and goofing around with Live distros on it.
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[9:11] <Xark> hotwings: Sooner or later it will take a dive (usually pretty soon if you really are using the system).
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[9:12] <Xark> hotwings: It is the same "don't put swap on SD". If it is not reliable for swap, it is just unreliable. :)
[9:12] <Arch1mede> do you really need swap for debian squeeze?
[9:12] <Xark> (only a matter of how fast it dies on you...)
[9:13] <Xark> Arch1mede: Sure, if you do any big compiles or anything that needs more than 128MB (depending on mem split).
[9:13] <hotwings> Xark - i have the opposite experience.. ive been installing systems to sdhc for years now and have never had a single problem. as a matter of fact, all of my installs are still working fine with the oldest being about 5 years old.
[9:13] <Xark> hotwings: Well, I guess I have just been unlucky.
[9:13] <Xark> hotwings: USB HDD is also much faster and bigger on RPi anyways, so no worries. :)
[9:13] <hotwings> all the boxes have at least 2GB ram, use ext2, and have no swap
[9:14] <Xark> hotwings: If I had 2GB (or even 1GB) on RPi then I could totally see omitting swap. :)
[9:15] <hotwings> one thing i love about using sdhc for installs... in the event one did die, you can just pull the corrupted sdhc out, put in a back up, and have the system running again in a matter of seconds. assuming you cloned your install of course
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[9:16] <xboxor-at-work> If you're doing big compiles just offload it with distcc and a desktop w/an ARM build environment
[9:16] <Xark> hotwings: Yes, that is nice. Almost the same with external HDDs (but bigger, so harder to want to "image").
[9:16] <xboxor-at-work> this will work on most linux platforms not just Arch: http://archlinuxarm.org/developers/distcc-cross-compiling
[9:17] <hotwings> biggest compiles i do are mplayer2...i guess
[9:18] <Xark> xboxor-at-work: Yeah, I mostly see myself doing cross compiles and running remotely (and see OpenGL pop up on the "target"). However, for the moment my RPi is being a "test server" so I don't want it to run out of RAM (and I have done a few compiles and things - not sure I *need* swap, but on a HDD, WTH).
[9:18] <hotwings> i compile everything, but then i only use linux in dedicated and specific cases.. either way, kernel, drivers, and a few apps are it
[9:18] <hotwings> i dont compile xserver though
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[9:19] <Xark> Hasen't even touched it yet (although I did have to reboot a bit ago to shut down rpcbind port).
[9:19] <xboxor-at-work> I will also add that there are things about Class10 SD cards not working. I'm using a SanDisk Extreme Class 10. Granted I'm not seeing the 45Mb/sec max that it advertises but faster than the generic old 2Gb SD card I tried first.
[9:20] <Xark> hotwings: I see the RPi as a standardized home brew "game console". :) So far having fun pounding on the GPU (which is pretty decent for a $35 board).
[9:20] <hotwings> maybe a nes emulator :)
[9:20] <xboxor-at-work> I was seeing ~3MB/sec when downloading files off the Pi via sftp. That might have been restricted by the encryption layer.
[9:21] <Xark> hotwings: No problemo. N64 emulator even (but I am skeptical of PS2). :)
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[9:22] <hotwings> Xark - if the rpi can emulate super mario kart at full framerate, and with networking support, then ill get excited
[9:22] <Xark> hotwings: So figure, Xbox 1 but with 4x the memory (and HD). :
[9:23] <xboxor-at-work> I could not see a Pi emulating PS2.
[9:23] <Xark> hotwings: I am pretty sure it can, only question is speed. There is a good dynamic-recompiler for N64 on ARM and I believe it is already running on RPi (Mupen fork - forget the name).
[9:23] <Xark> xboxor-at-work: No, PC can't really emulate PS2 (without limitations).
[9:23] <Ben64> i couldn't even get nes emulator with sound : /
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[9:24] <Xark> Ben64: Mostly driver issues, though, not RPi "capability" I wouldn't think.
[9:24] <xboxor-at-work> My home PC may have a slight chance..but my home PC is not the 'normal pc that any sane person would have'. ;-)
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[9:24] <Ben64> Xark: just saying, without sound its not worth it
[9:25] <Xark> xboxor-at-work: PS2 had chips like IPU where you store 16 bytes and out pops out a decoded macroblock 4 cycles later (at 300Mhz). That is hard to fake (PC has horsepower, but too much latency). :)
[9:26] <Xark> Ben64: I hear you (haha). I am pretty sure that is being addressed...
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[17:47] <datagutt> haha
[17:47] <datagutt> yup
[17:47] <DaQatz> odd
[17:47] <rvalles> AROS on the pi: http://bayimg.com/GapmDaADb
[17:47] <DaQatz> Why did it stop logging just because it had not logged in?
[17:47] <datagutt> hm it is odd
[17:47] <DaQatz> rvalles: Nice
[17:48] <datagutt> i should get an rpi
[17:48] <datagutt> for running my bot, ofcourse
[17:48] <bfdb> yes, it would be more appropriate
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[17:48] <rvalles> note I cheated and did the screenshot from my desktop (more comfortable).
[17:48] <bfdb> next the irc server on the pi
[17:48] <datagutt> sounds good
[17:48] <rvalles> since it's behind vnc, it's the same (vnc client on the pi displays the vnc server on the pi)
[17:48] <bfdb> and then force every client to connect from a pi
[17:49] <datagutt> now the only problem is getting ahold of one
[17:49] <rvalles> the problem is AROS needs 24bit, so I have to run it on a vnc-backed X server rather than the pi's 16bit fb X server.
[17:49] <DaQatz> rvalles: Is that just stock Aros arm?
[17:49] <bfdb> a pi only room, constructed from pis, for pis
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[17:49] <Milos> RaspberryPiBot, WASAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[17:49] <rvalles> DaQatz: linux-hosted AROS ARMv6 with VFP stock, yes
[17:50] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently after 18 hours of Virus Scans, my computer lost the will to compute.
[17:50] <rvalles> It just works, minus the 16bit issue.
[17:50] <bbb^work> pi's are quite good for suplementing existing networks with extra services (web server, irc things, etcc ..) , seems to one of the few things that works out the box :)
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[17:50] <bfdb> GabrialDestruir: Now time for some defragging
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[17:51] <bfdb> bbb^: I dunno, there's too many restrictions on speed
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[17:51] <gordonDrogon_> bfdb, defragging a Pi ???
[17:51] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, defragging isn't an issue, the issue is the apparent root kit on my computer that NOTHING can find -.-
[17:51] <GabrialDestruir> Not a Pi, windows PC
[17:51] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[17:52] <bfdb> gordonDrogon: nah, it would be silly to defrag an sd, you'd just end up shortening it's life
[17:52] <GabrialDestruir> and I'm slowly regretting it being a Windows PC lol
[17:52] <mikey_w> Chinese computer?
[17:52] <bfdb> GabrialDestruir: why?
[17:53] <bfdb> GabrialDestruir: 3.1 works fine for me
[17:53] <GabrialDestruir> lmao...
[17:54] <bfdb> go on /ver me, I dare you
[17:54] <TopherBrink> wonder if that Frontier port will turn up soon
[17:54] <GabrialDestruir> Time to test my theories on why this movie has buffering issues.
[17:54] <GabrialDestruir> Not a bandwidth issue...
[17:55] <trevorman> if you've had malware then you should nuke the entire install and start again
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[17:56] <GabrialDestruir> I don't want to nuke the install >.<
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[17:56] <GabrialDestruir> I put a lot of time and effort into this install....
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[17:57] <GabrialDestruir> and sadly Windows has yet to adopt just reinstalling on top of itself, so you don't lose any info or installed programs, but you still get all the benefits of a fresh install .-.
[17:57] <trevorman> you just spent 17 hours scanning it
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[17:58] <GabrialDestruir> There's a lot of crap on it .-.
[17:58] <bfdb> GabrialDestruir: you should be formating every 6 months with windows anyway
[17:58] <trevorman> you could have redone your config by now
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[17:58] <GabrialDestruir> Fair enough .-.
[17:58] <IT_Sean> I personally recommend a reformat & reinstall of windows a minimum of once per year.
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[17:58] <traeak> Gadgetoid: no power bleeds back from the powered hub
[17:59] <GabrialDestruir> Seriously? .-. Sounds like such a hassle....
[17:59] <Dagger2> how are you going to get the benfits of a fresh install with all your installed programs? seems a bit contradictory to me
[17:59] <Gadgetoid> traeak: curious
[17:59] <bfdb> GabrialDestruir: ninite to the rescue
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[18:01] <bfdb> I love ninite.com
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[18:02] <traeak> Gadgetoid: probably lame usb hub that gets confused
[18:03] <Gadgetoid> traeak: is it a generic or branded one?
[18:03] <traeak> probably generic? i got it at microcenter a while back on sale
[18:04] <Gadgetoid> I hope someone cracks USB weirdness at some point
[18:04] <Gadgetoid> Weirdly my branded USB hub bleeds power back to the Pi, so buying something expensive/decent probably doesn't necessarily help
[18:04] <traeak> http://www.digitalinnovations.com/computer-accessories/usb-hubs-and-connectivity/
[18:04] <traeak> 7 port powered hub
[18:04] <bfdb> cracks usb?
[18:04] <GabrialDestruir> The only reason I haven't bothered with a reinstall is because until this stupid malware thing, the only issue I've had is with the Windows Search Indexer -.-
[18:05] <traeak> now i realize it
[18:05] <Gadgetoid> GabrialDestruir: You mean "with windows"
[18:05] <traeak> the rpi should have shipped with a dedicated power supply
[18:05] <traeak> which would have jacked up the price
[18:05] <bfdb> GabrialDestruir: you should turn that off, it starts indexing at inappopriate times
[18:05] <GabrialDestruir> No, the Windows Search Indexer... lol
[18:05] <traeak> but would have allowed them to not do stupid crap with the usb ports
[18:05] <TopherBrink> people installing malware and crap = windows fault. somehow.
[18:06] <GabrialDestruir> I've been tempted to, bfdb, but I just know once I do I'll need to find something.... and blah. lol
[18:06] <Gadgetoid> The RPi needs an ardunio-like barrel connector that accepts 5v+ imo
[18:06] <bfdb> traeak: an extra dollar
[18:06] <ReggieUK> Gadgetoid, agreed
[18:06] <traeak> bfdb: seriously, just an extra dollar for a 2A/5V power supply?
[18:06] <traeak> bfdb: may have killt shipping though (bigger wart than the rpi itself)
[18:06] <jaxdahl> can't you do that via the GPIO pins?
[18:07] <bfdb> traeak: Of course, retail prices are much higher than the original construction cost
[18:07] <Gadgetoid> I hate micro-USB as a power supply, and it's obsolete as a data transport too??? smartphones should all sync wirelessly and have robust barrel connectors, arrrr!
[18:07] <bbb^work> Gadgetoid: indeed I would have plenty of options then if the power was like that, but having to cut up a micro usb cable just seems brain dead :P
[18:07] <rvalles> http://b.rvalles.net/unsorted/raspberrypi_aros.png
[18:07] <bfdb> Gadgetoid: wireless power isn't exactly efficient though
[18:07] <rvalles> better version of the screenshot earlier.
[18:07] <rvalles> :)
[18:07] <Gadgetoid> bfdb: wireless sync is good, wireless power less so??? but would be nice. That's why: barrel connector!
[18:08] <Gadgetoid> Actually, USB should have been an appropriation of the 3.5mm jack from the outset??? square keyed connectors? lulwut!?
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[18:08] <traeak> Gadgetoid: nah, they should use some vendor's power connector from the early 2000's, one of those cool connectors
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[18:09] <bfdb> the pi needs a propriatrary 30 pin connector instead
[18:09] <traeak> aros doesn't look too bad
[18:09] <Gadgetoid> iPod dock compatible Pi, yay!
[18:09] <bbb^work> jaxdahl: you can, but it bypasses a fuse and a smoothing capacitor ...
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[18:09] <bbb^work> recommendation is supply your own fuse if powering via GPIO.
[18:09] <GabrialDestruir> There.... that should stop the stupid Indexer from freezing up my computer .-.
[18:10] <Gadgetoid> GabrialDestruir: installing linux will fix it pretty good
[18:10] <GabrialDestruir> Indeed it would
[18:10] <Gadgetoid> GabrialDestruir: It'll break a whole lot of other things, but it'l solve most common windows problems??? like having to do work
[18:10] <traeak> now...if the rpi distros all used hardfp instead of this soft crap
[18:11] <bfdb> traeak: or an armv7
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[18:11] <traeak> bfdb: well armv7 would fix that but then you would have an allwinner a10 (well, no pop so that's a problem)
[18:12] <mikey_w> traeak, when will your mele page on the wiki linking all of the usable sd images be raedy?
[18:12] <mikey_w> ready
[18:12] <bfdb> traeak: so what? armv6 is so outdated, it should have been armv7 from the outset
[18:13] <traeak> mikey_w: ugh, i haven't done any of that yet...in fact i'm about ready to settle down into doing real work instead of playing around
[18:13] <Gadgetoid> I don't think the Pi was designed with the hardware requirements of us technically inclined folk in mind :D
[18:13] <bfdb> Gadgetoid: Of course it was
[18:13] <DaQatz> The target cost made it an arm6 in this case the pricepoint was important.
[18:13] <bbb^work> there was a question on that during one of Eben's video, something down the lines of they had all ready commited to to the broadcom chip before everyone jump on the ARMv7 bandwagon ...
[18:13] <Gadgetoid> Otherwise it'd have 16GB RAM and feature a POP of SOCs so high that it resembles a box of pringles more than it does a computer
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[18:15] <mikey_w> real work, how boring.
[18:16] <gordonDrogon_> yea )-:
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[18:23] <GabrialDestruir> That'd be kind of cool actually....
[18:23] <GabrialDestruir> The Pringle Computer
[18:24] <bbb^work> Once you pop a stack you can't stop programming ?
[18:24] <GabrialDestruir> lmao
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[18:25] <GabrialDestruir> I need a powered hub to further my testing .-.
[18:26] <ratherDashing> yeah i had to buy one too
[18:26] <ratherDashing> pi couldn't even keep up with a powered external hdd
[18:26] <traeak> what's a good cpu stress program ?
[18:26] <andatche> 'stress'
[18:26] <trevorman> traeak: XBMC at the menu >.>
[18:26] <GabrialDestruir> Well my current issue is I have a 16GB Flash, but when I try to play this movie of it, it freezes like it's got Buffering issues.
[18:27] <GabrialDestruir> xbmc on the Summary Info Page
[18:27] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[18:27] <Viperfang> a move of a 16BG flash drive? sounds boring
[18:27] <ratherDashing> what does the log say? you'll see usb connection problems
[18:27] <Viperfang> * movie
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[18:27] <GabrialDestruir> off of it*
[18:27] <Viperfang> :P
[18:27] <GabrialDestruir> Which logs where?
[18:27] <bbb^work> Any recommendations for a USB hub that can power the PI and run a USB HDD ? - currently using a USB1.1 hub for keyboard and mouse and powering the thing of a USB port on the back of a PC :)
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[18:28] <ratherDashing> bbb^work: i used the 7 port one from monoprice
[18:28] <ratherDashing> it was $14 i think
[18:29] <ratherDashing> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1a40:0201 Terminus Technology Inc. FE 2.1 7-port Hub
[18:29] <ratherDashing> so says lsusb
[18:29] <bbb^work> ahh ... and not from the US from a UK retailer :) will check mind you and see if I can get one here.
[18:29] <Gadgetoid> And now I must depart!
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[18:30] <reider59> search for Terminus products in the uk
[18:31] <traeak> is the ok ligtht supposed to flash ?
[18:32] <GabrialDestruir> If it's flashing things are Ok? :p
[18:32] <bbb^work> reider59: ta,, googling now.
[18:32] <kvarley> are there any pre-built chromium-os images out there? or a binary rootfs?
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[18:32] <reider59> okies, good luck
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[18:34] <Viperfang> A cloths peg for holding during soldering? why didnt i think of that
[18:34] <bbb^work> google product search sucks :P search for 'terminus powered usb hub', sort by cheapest brings up a load of USB cables made by Hama.
[18:34] <Viperfang> I use surgical clamps
[18:34] <GabrialDestruir> This might be why it's having an issue...
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[18:35] <GabrialDestruir> FAT-fs (sda1): FAT read failed (blocknr 17142)
[18:35] <ratherDashing> bbb^work: you can look on the wiki for a list of powered hubs, i just have this one but i bet there are a bunch that work well
[18:35] <bbb^work> ratherDashing: I had a look before, but I didn't see any mention of what ones work and power the pi (just that they work ...) :)
[18:36] <ratherDashing> ahh yeah mine powers the pi just fine
[18:36] <traeak> doing more testing with whati have, i can't seem to keep the ethernet up OR i get the keyboard repeat dealey with the dmesg error
[18:36] <gordonDrogon_> right time to knock off here and get back to comfortable & quiet home office :)
[18:36] <traeak> hmm...i guess try a pc usb port for powering it
[18:36] <GabrialDestruir> Technically any USB Hub that works, should be able to power the Pi
[18:36] <GabrialDestruir> the major issue with Hubs is the possibility of back leaking power.
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[18:36] <gmjhowe> Any 'Powered' usb hub
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[18:37] <GabrialDestruir> Right any Powered USB Hub
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[18:37] <gmjhowe> Not being picky, just a lot of noobs reading the channel.
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[18:37] <GabrialDestruir> Right, of course.
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[18:38] <gmjhowe> Also, some people have have mixed results with keyboards and mice.
[18:38] <bbb^work> GabrialDestruir: nope some don't provide much power, only if something is connected and negotiates for more power.
[18:38] <gmjhowe> Some that would 'appear' to need more power, actually use less.
[18:38] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=5057&p=98195#p98195
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[18:38] <bbb^work> I've tried a DLink 7 port and a older belkin 4 port and they don't provide any juice to the pi :(
[18:39] <bbb^work> I could 'hack' one of them :)
[18:39] <gmjhowe> hmm that is worrying.
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[18:40] <GabrialDestruir> I need a powered Lego Hub, that way I can just attach it to my pre existing lego case xD
[18:40] <friggle> zgreg: you. are. awesome.
[18:40] <gmjhowe> Yeah, there are several non powered ones.
[18:41] <bbb^work> You need one that supports 'charging' from some or all the ports basically.
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[18:41] <traeak> i've got no back leakage i can tell
[18:42] <traeak> runnign "stress" made my ethernet drop out
[18:42] <traeak> no messages, just can't ping or anything, have to reboot
[18:42] <zgreg> friggle: one guy was reporting *two* of his cards failed, but I bet that's a configuration problem
[18:42] <zgreg> especially if I look at these results
[18:42] <GabrialDestruir> Unfortunately... when I search for things like "Lego hub" I end up finding stuff like "http://www.legoeducation.us/eng/product/lego_usb_hub/1655"
[18:42] <traeak> so far tried: laptop esata/usb charger port, laptop usb port, PC usb port, usb powered hub (2.5A)
[18:43] <friggle> zgreg: could you explain the SDHCI_QUIRK_NO_HISPD_BIT quirk? I need to look properly in the sdhci code, but does it still work out when a card is not high-speed capable?
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[18:43] <GabrialDestruir> As opposed to what I actually want.
[18:43] <traeak> i haven't found my nokia microusb charger yet
[18:43] <zgreg> friggle: as far as I can see it doesn't set the SDHCI high-speed bit in the controller settings
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[18:47] <bbb^work> Powered pluscom usb hubs work and power the pi : http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=7071
[18:50] <gmjhowe> my 7 port belkin has no issues.
[18:50] <gmjhowe> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26330117/gmjhowe/2012-06-04%2018.25.58.jpg
[18:51] <bbb^work> this one looks a lot like the pluscom (which doesn't come with a PSU, but I have plently of them around ...) http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_5&products_id=111297
[18:51] <friggle> gmjhowe: interesting, someone at the lab has that and will get usb dropouts
[18:51] <gmjhowe> Really?
[18:51] <gmjhowe> Mine is a much older model, maybe 5 years old.
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[18:52] <friggle> gmjhowe: not sure how old it is. I have one as well, which I don't think I've actually tried...
[18:53] <traeak> yeah, it might be that the powered hub is causing eevil on both sides...
[18:54] <traeak> right now i have the pi running off the laptop charger port with kb/mouse plugged in
[18:54] <traeak> seems to pass the tests for now
[18:54] <traeak> will run more of course
[18:54] <traeak> tossing in the GPU will stress the power more
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[18:59] <trevorman> friggle / gmjhowe: belkin have a habit of changing the internals of a device without actually changing the model numbers
[19:01] <reider59> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Powered_USB_Hubs
[19:02] <reider59> You`ll find a Logilink one in the UK and it's on that list. don`t know about the rest
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[19:02] <reider59> *Don`t
[19:03] <jaxdahl> seems weird that the rpi has power issues when i run a FPGA with vga/ethernet/usb/vhdci/SSEGs off the same usb power
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[19:03] <jaxdahl> how much current does the broadcom chip use
[19:04] <GabrialDestruir> Heh... now there's an idea
[19:04] <GabrialDestruir> Wireless USB Hub
[19:05] <traeak> oof my hub reports genesis logic...
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[19:05] <traeak> reider59: thx for the link
[19:06] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/cef0/?srp=1
[19:06] <GabrialDestruir> Think that'd be a bit overkill for a Pi?
[19:06] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[19:06] <jaxdahl> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overpriced
[19:06] <reider59> yw
[19:07] <GabrialDestruir> Supposedly it insures that all ports get power though....
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[19:08] <friggle> GabrialDestruir: pricy, but nice
[19:09] <traeak> rebranded belkin powered hub is what i got
[19:09] <traeak> grr
[19:09] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/e2d2/
[19:09] <GabrialDestruir> I guess something like that would be more in pi range
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[19:11] <ratherDashing> left for lunch, came back, still powered usb conversation :)
[19:11] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: weak. you need a http://www.cambrionix.com/cambrionix_products/large-capacity-usb-station-professional-hub-series-a4/ ;)
[19:12] <GabrialDestruir> lmao
[19:12] <GabrialDestruir> nice
[19:12] <Bellagio> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=8209
[19:12] <traeak> so the question is: is this compatibility stuff due to problems with the rpi itself ?
[19:13] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/eb7b/
[19:13] <GabrialDestruir> Pi Battery ^_^
[19:13] <trevorman> plugging that 49 port hub into a windows PC would probably kill it
[19:14] <IT_Sean> how so?
[19:14] <trevorman> USB detection x49?
[19:14] <IT_Sean> good point.
[19:15] <GabrialDestruir> Thinkgeek got rid of their Mini USB monitor .-.
[19:15] <trevorman> I guess its just a bunch of 7 port hubs all dangling off another USB hub
[19:15] <IT_Sean> you can still get 'em, just not from thinkgeek
[19:15] <trevorman> there are loads of displaylink displays
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[19:16] <GabrialDestruir> Yea.... but Thinkgeek has been losing a lot of the cool stuff they have .-.
[19:16] <gmjhowe> trevorman: I had figured as much, the new ones probably have some fancy management stuff
[19:16] <trevorman> thinkgeek is pretty much just like every other gadget shop now
[19:16] <gmjhowe> http://usb.brando.com/usb-hub_c039d015
[19:16] <gmjhowe> brando is where it is at
[19:16] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
[19:17] <gmjhowe> http://usb.brando.com/industrial-usb-16-port-hub_p01936c039d015.html
[19:18] <jaxdahl> i worked for a company once where we had to stress test connecting and disconnecting USB devices
[19:18] <trevorman> not sure how industrial it is without a case
[19:18] <friggle> gmjhowe: rubbish power supply
[19:18] <jaxdahl> they made a custom board that randomly switched on/off the USB ports
[19:19] <jaxdahl> only a 500mA power supply
[19:19] <jaxdahl> ew
[19:19] <trevorman> jaxdahl: I expect that most OSes would freak out about that if you repeatedly did it and fast
[19:19] <jaxdahl> trevorman, our drivers were bluescreening
[19:19] <ratherDashing> that brando was 3A which is still nothig for 16 ports
[19:19] <ratherDashing> the monoprice one is 2A for 7 I believe
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[19:24] <ReggieUK> they seem to be underpowering the usb on most of these things because they don't expect you to use 500ma per port at all times
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[19:26] <friggle> not much point of calling it "industrial" then
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[19:32] <Tayuan> It's very got now in my country and my pi doesn't work after 5 minutes working
[19:32] <ReggieUK> how hot is very hot?
[19:32] <Tayuan> It just doesn't move mouse
[19:33] <Tayuan> 30??
[19:33] <ReggieUK> are you using a powered usb hub?
[19:33] <Tayuan> Yep
[19:33] * gordonDrogon waves.
[19:33] <ReggieUK> hmmm
[19:33] <Tayuan> D-link one
[19:33] * ReggieUK waves politely back and wonders why gordonDrogon is waving....
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[19:34] <ReggieUK> is the mouse actually turning on?
[19:35] <ReggieUK> can you see it being recognised in dmesg?
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[19:38] <slowfuse> I have a half inch black border around my screen which the PI is not using. Any recommendations on how to adjust display settings to use the entire monitor?
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[19:38] <plugwash> google rpi config.txt overscan and you should find the documentation you need
[19:39] <slowfuse> thanks plugwash, will give it a try.
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, well just back from the place where I was gordonDrogon_
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[19:39] <oldman> Does anyone have the default login for raspbmc. user pi and passwd raspberry do not work.
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[19:42] <Adya> Hi guys:)
[19:42] * Adya waves:)
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[19:44] <Adya> I've already set up pppconfig. When I'm trying to connect with pon, it tells /usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/provider: unrecognized option /dev/modem
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> Hm. anyone think I could bit-bang the SPI interface to use to program and Arduino via the ISP port?
[19:45] <Viperfang> gordonDrogon: probably
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> there's a bit-banging programmer built into avrdud to work over the parallel port...
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> that might be easier than using the serial port...
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[19:46] <Viperfang> with the bootloadre, you just need serial, so why the SPI port?
[19:46] <Adya> So, what can I do?
[19:46] <Adya> ?
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> the issue is that my ATmega is running at 12MHz.
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> so a standard arduino bootloader won't work.
[19:47] <Viperfang> Well, you never said that :P
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> I have loaded up a modified one to run at 12MHz.
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> however that's an issue for a lot of people - they can't program a bootloadter into an atmega without a programmer...
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[19:48] <gordonDrogon> so I buy a bunch of chips and offer a programming service, or see if someone else wants to do it, or bit-bang the SPI port...
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> needs to work on standard kernel, so not a bootc one with the spi driver in it...
[19:50] * gordonDrogon gets the avrdude source...
[19:50] <Adya> Ah?
[19:50] <plugwash> If there is already a bitbang programmer for PC paralell ports it shouldn't be hard to adapt it to work with Pi GPIO
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[19:51] <beardface> what do i need to do to enable input (mouse kdbd) in X?
[19:51] <IT_Sean> um. .... ... plug in a mouse and a keyboard.
[19:52] <beardface> IT_Sean--
[19:52] <beardface> no
[19:52] <IT_Sean>
[19:52] <IT_Sean> O.o
[19:52] <Viperfang> IT_Sean is correct
[19:52] <beardface> he is partly correct
[19:52] <IT_Sean> thanks Viperfang
[19:52] <beardface> not the part that is helpful
[19:52] <Viperfang> np
[19:53] <IT_Sean> ok, fine... plug in a mouse & keyboard that A) works and B) doesn't draw too much current
[19:53] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[19:53] <Viperfang> beardface: If you are having problems, try outlining you issues
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> modprobe evdev
[19:54] <beardface> IT_Sean needs to have the @ removed from you rname
[19:54] <beardface> you are a right git
[19:54] <beardface> thanks gordon
[19:55] <macbeth99> Does anyone know whether any PGP/GPG signatures of the system images for RPi exist? I don't want to start my RPi off with unverified system.
[19:56] <amelia_> beardface: that's a matter of opinion.. obvious question got an obvious answer, calling an Op a git generally doesn't do you any favours
[19:57] <beardface> amelia_ i'll call an op what he is
[19:57] <IT_Sean> ^ wot she said.
[19:57] <beardface> an unhelpful op, who is a dick to people, isn't a good op
[19:57] <beardface> just a dick
[19:57] <mischief> how about we start over
[19:57] <mischief> with you, beardface, explicating about your problem
[19:58] <beardface> gordonDrogon has me on the path
[19:58] <beardface> kbd / mouse connected, kdbd works fine at console
[19:58] <IT_Sean> i wasn't tryi.... you know what... no... i'm staying out of this.
[19:58] <beardface> startx -> no kdbd /mouse
[19:58] <mischief> okay
[19:58] <beardface> agreed, please stay out
[19:58] <mischief> did you check the X log
[19:58] <ratherDashing> did you run lsusb and see if linux sees the device attached?
[19:59] <beardface> mischeif: not yet, does the xlog carry over between sessions?
[19:59] <beardface> once i startx, i have to reboot the pi (power cycle) to get back to console
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[19:59] <mischief> um
[19:59] <IT_Sean> beardface: Had you mentioned that the keyboard worked at the console, i would have been able to give you a more helpful reply. There have been a lot of cases of people's keyboard / mouse not working as it was some big fancy arrangement. So, my answer WAS valad, givin the information provided.
[19:59] <beardface> ratherDashing: it does
[19:59] <beardface> IT_Sean, not even reading
[19:59] <beardface> just stop
[19:59] <mischief> beardface: you can't use C-M-F1 for the virtual terminal?
[19:59] <gmjhowe> At least he has the patience of a good op.
[19:59] <mischief> oh right the kb doesn't work in x
[20:00] <beardface> right :) mischief
[20:00] <beardface> there in is my problem
[20:00] <mischief> C-M-BKSP?
[20:00] <beardface> can't do a lot of debuggin w/out kbd
[20:00] <beardface> nope
[20:00] <beardface> nothing while in x
[20:00] <ratherDashing> you can ssh in
[20:00] <ratherDashing> and debug till the cows come home
[20:00] <beardface> ah, good call, i'll do that
[20:00] <mischief> beardface: okay, maybe try using X -configure
[20:00] <mischief> then tweak the settings of the resulting xorg.conf :)
[20:00] <beardface> mischeif: i did a dbpk reconfigure kbd
[20:00] <beardface> but i'll reconfigure X
[20:01] <beardface> didn't try that, probably all it will take
[20:01] <mischief> and look at the log X produces
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[20:01] <mischief> it should say something about a mouse and a keyboard
[20:01] <Viperfang> ~/j #arduino
[20:01] <mischief> HEATHEN!!
[20:01] <beardface> kthx, going to run with ssh enabled and reconfigure x
[20:02] <beardface> arduino isn't even close to the same as pi :)
[20:02] <Viperfang> oops, ignore that
[20:02] <beardface> <3 arduino
[20:02] <dwatkins> beardface: there might already be a /var/log/Xorg.0.log from the last session
[20:03] <dwatkins> lines starting (EE) are worth noting, errors.
[20:03] <beardface> ah yeah
[20:03] <beardface> thanks, that is quicker
[20:03] <beardface> my primary problem with the debian image thus far is that it was build for uk devices
[20:03] <beardface> figure this is a similar issue
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[20:04] <mischief> 'uk' devices?
[20:04] <beardface> uk keyboard
[20:04] <mischief> uh
[20:04] <beardface> 0.o
[20:04] <Viperfang> beardface: the keboard should still work, with a few keys the wrong way around
[20:04] <mischief> i was using the image off of the rpi website yesertday
[20:04] <beardface> yeah, it did
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[20:04] <mischief> and other than the default pw not working, everything was great
[20:04] <beardface> mischeif: what date? April?
[20:04] <mischief> usb kb/ms, i started X on a high def monitor
[20:04] <mischief> had midori running
[20:04] <beardface> I had to get the latest boot.img from git to even get it to start
[20:05] <mischief> beardface: 4 19
[20:05] <dwatkins> what, people outside the UK are buying Raspberry Pis? ;)
[20:05] <ratherDashing> NYC and I have one
[20:05] <beardface> and my monitor would work by default
[20:05] <dwatkins> onl kidding, ratherDashing :)
[20:05] <beardface> I had to plug into an old tv
[20:05] <mikey_w> Just a few of us, dwatkins
[20:05] <beardface> until i added a config.txt
[20:05] <ReggieUK> so the only real failing with the stock debian is your understanding on how to reconfigure the keyboard for your locale?
[20:05] <beardface> to let me use HDMI
[20:06] <mischief> ReggieUK: his keyboard's not functional at all in X
[20:06] <mischief> at least thats what i gather
[20:06] <beardface> ^^ yes
[20:06] * dwatkins assumes this is a known-working USB keyboard
[20:06] <ReggieUK> ahh, so it's a software issue elsewhere then?
[20:06] <mischief> beardface: maybe you should run X, and put the Xorg log on gist or sprunge and paste it here
[20:06] <beardface> its known to work in console
[20:06] <beardface> so assumed compatibility with X
[20:07] <Viperfang> beardface: considered a power issue?
[20:07] <ratherDashing> gpm compat is diff than X
[20:07] <ReggieUK> and just out of interest, you're using a powered usb hub?
[20:07] <beardface> not a powered hub
[20:07] <beardface> only have mouse / kbd plugged in
[20:07] <ReggieUK> and what keyboard is it?
[20:07] <beardface> and using 1000mA supply, so should be running off all 700ma
[20:07] <dwatkins> is 'patebinit' in the debian repo?
[20:07] <dwatkins> *pastebinit
[20:07] <beardface> micro keyboard i got form microcenter
[20:07] <ratherDashing> check dmesg, see if you have usb connection problems when you start up X
[20:07] <ReggieUK> have you checked the current rating of the keyboard?
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[20:08] <beardface> i have not
[20:08] <ReggieUK> do! :D
[20:09] <slowfuse> adding a /boot/config.txt with option disable_overscan=1 solved my monitor border issue. Thanks
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[20:10] <bootc> gordonDrogon: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/06/12/why-i-wont-support-a-3-1-kernel/
[20:10] <reider59> some micro keyboards have problems and they seem more pronounced in X. My Rii micro keyboard and touchpad repeats letters and the cursor gets stuck in X. I tried an MS WiFi Keyboard/mouse combo and that works perfectly, plugged straight into the USB port.
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[20:10] <mischief> weird
[20:10] <mischief> i had a Das Keyboard hooked up at first
[20:10] <mischief> and it had a similar problem reider59
[20:10] <mischief> but on the console
[20:11] <mischief> keys would repeat or not get detected at all erratically
[20:11] <mischief> i switched to an old mac keyboard though and it worked great
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> bootc, I'll get your 3.2 when I have some time...
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> bootc, got another more pressing project right now.
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[20:12] <dwatkins> does dmidecode work to read the firmware version?
[20:12] <reider59> mmm wish I`d had more time and tried the Rii in the Wheezy Alpha
[20:12] <dwatkins> I'd like to try out the temperature sensing kernel, but want to make sure I have the right firmware first.
[20:12] <reider59> Just to compare
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[20:13] <gordonDrogon> it has a teperature sensor on-board?
[20:13] <mischief> o_O
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[20:14] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: I'm not sure, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=6649
[20:14] <reider59> I want a little 5-8" screen so I can put it near my PC and watch th eRPi boot up. Then maybe swap to SSH or VNC after that. So I don`t need the TV on at all. Besides, I like geeky stuff lol
[20:15] <reider59> *the RPi
[20:15] <dwatkins> perhaps that's just using a 1-wire external device, it's not clear
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[20:16] <dwatkins> I guess the DS1822 temperature sensor is something you have to attach externally.
[20:18] <zgreg> bootc: what's the mainline development branch of your kernel rpi-linear? or rpi-3.2.19?
[20:18] <bootc> zgreg: mainline is rpi-linear, but mine is falling a bit out of date - look in lp0's repo for his one instead
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, ah, that's for an external sensor.
[20:19] <bootc> note that the mainline version is not a drop-in replacement and needs a different bootloader, config.txt and a device tree file and is missing SD card support (unless Simon got it working properly) and USB
[20:19] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: ah ok, thanks
[20:19] <trevorman> dwatkins: no DMI
[20:19] * dwatkins makes a note to try this out on some breadboard
[20:20] <dwatkins> trevorman: I assume that's what an Intel CPU uses to sense temperature or something related
[20:21] <trevorman> DMI isn't anything to do with sensors
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[20:21] <trevorman> its mainly a not very reliable inventory
[20:21] <zgreg> bootc: hmm. just wondering what I should base my SDHCI improvements on. I guess I'll use 3.2.19.
[20:21] <bootc> zgreg: yep, the rpi-linear one is a complete driver rewrite for SD :-)
[20:22] <zgreg> oh?
[20:22] <bootc> it definitely doesn't even have DMA yet
[20:22] <zgreg> broadcom's driver definitely has its issues, but it's not so bad if you remove all the redundant code
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[20:23] <bootc> I think the main issue is its odd 'platform DMA' implementation, that alone makes it unsuitable for mainline
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[20:32] <zgreg> I wonder what kernel version and variant the foundation is planning to use in the near future
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[20:32] <SpeedEvil> 2.0.32
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[20:33] <Kooothor> hello folks
[20:33] <plugwash> From what i'm gathering the foundation is planning to stick with their 3.1 based kernels for now
[20:34] <Kooothor> Just got mine today, did the 'dd' on SD, plugged everything, I GET NOTHING ON SCREEN, I read the troubleshooting wiki, I have no idea what to try now, any help ?
[20:34] <plugwash> long term it is considered desirable to get raspberry pi support upstream but before that can happen substantial work is required
[20:34] <hotwings> i wonder if rpi support will ever be merged
[20:35] <plugwash> depends, the big issue is the USB driver, AIUI it's awful code and is NOT going to get merged
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[20:35] <dwatkins> Kooothor: what's happening with the LEDs?
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[20:35] <Kooothor> dwatkins: all leds are fine
[20:35] <plugwash> so the only way we will see usable RPi support upstream is if it is rewritten
[20:36] <plugwash> there is an effort to rewrite it going on but it's being hampered by poor documentation
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[20:39] <zgreg> upstream support is not such a big deal, IMO
[20:39] <friggle> zgreg: 3.1 for this next armel wheezy release at least
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[20:40] <ratherDashing> zgreg: why do you say that? imagine just pulling and rolling your own kernel without crazy haywacky patches
[20:40] <zgreg> ratherDashing: because it's a specialized embedded device
[20:41] <bootc> hotwings: bunch of us working on a mainline merge, including myself
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[20:41] <ratherDashing> not moreso than an android phone, and that got pushed upstream
[20:41] <zgreg> ratherDashing: the basic infrastructure, but not specific device support at large
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[20:41] <plugwash> IME if suppport is not pushed upstream it tends to rot
[20:41] <plugwash> so you end up stuck on an aincient kernel version
[20:41] <bootc> zgreg: no, we expect to get everything we need into mainline, we just need to get it in a state where they want it
[20:42] <zgreg> ratherDashing: as long as there's no stable standard platform support on ARM, the kernel side device support will ALWAYS be hacky
[20:42] <bootc> frankly, the USB driver code is utter <bleep> and the SD code needs a good cleanup, but this is exactly what we're doing
[20:42] <zgreg> and device tree is still basically unsupported
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[20:43] <mjr> bootc, there is active work on the USB stuff too? good.
[20:43] <mikey_w> How much value are we giving to broadcom and what are they giving back?
[20:43] <bootc> mjr: someone is working on it somewhere...
[20:44] <bootc> mikey_w: well, yes, there is that question
[20:44] <friggle> bootc: if you want to make an argument for your 3.2 tree being the base going forward, let us know
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[20:44] <bootc> friggle: I'd love it :-)
[20:44] <bootc> I think the argument is pretty clear already, don't you?
[20:44] <plugwash> bootc, do you plan to do a 3.2.20 version of your treee?
[20:45] <bootc> plugwash: I've done 3.2.16-3.2.19 so far so I don't see why not
[20:45] <friggle> bootc: I certainly don't see keeping in line with what brcm use internally as a particularly big deal
[20:45] <spikeb> anyone working (or even able to work) on 2d for the X driver?
[20:45] <zgreg> 3.2 is an LTS kernel, too
[20:45] <friggle> bootc: though think it's too short a timescale to switch to 3.2 before I push out this next release
[20:45] <plugwash> mmm, and 3.2.x is what the official debian kernel will be for wheezy
[20:46] <bootc> friggle: probably, I'm in no rush but I'd like to go in that direction
[20:46] <zgreg> both debian's next release and ubuntu 12.04 use 3.2
[20:46] <zgreg> so it's definitely getting a lot of love
[20:46] <bootc> plugwash / zgreg: exactly
[20:46] <plugwash> btw bootc I dunno if you follow the forums but I managed to make a patch out of your 3.2.18 tree and add it to the debian source package and build a working kernel from it
[20:46] <friggle> bootc: yeah, sounds like we should plan to push it out as an update
[20:47] <bootc> plugwash: aha, no I'm not much of a forum nut but I follow a couple of threads - evidently missed that one - nice work!
[20:47] <ratherDashing> i think the day rpi-update gets pushed to pull bootc's kernel that will be the day 90% of people switch kernels
[20:47] <bootc> ratherDashing: :-D
[20:47] <bootc> Hexxeh: want to look into doing that? ;-)
[20:47] <plugwash> I don't know about other people here but i've always regarded rpi-update as a temporary soloution
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[20:48] <plugwash> which should in time be replaced by properly packaged kernels updated through the normal package managers of the distributions in question
[20:48] <bootc> plugwash: yes the firmware really needs to be distributed as a debian package
[20:48] <friggle> we've got the kernel packaged in the wheezy armel. It's not perfect, but it's functional
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[20:48] <ratherDashing> plugwash: well your solution of patching the official debian kernel and pushing it through apt-get is the best way, but then all the drivers would have to be bundled in another non-free package i guess and put in the rpi repo
[20:48] <bbb^work> me 2, updates should via apt-get update with kernel and firmware synced ...
[20:48] <friggle> ratherDashing: that's what we're doing for the armel wheezy release
[20:49] <bootc> ratherDashing: no the drivers are all open source so no non-free required for the kernel
[20:49] <ratherDashing> all that crud in /opt/vc is OS?
[20:49] <bootc> the userspace libs and firmware is 'non-free' however
[20:49] <bootc> that's not part of the kernel though
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[20:52] <ratherDashing> yeah, that has to be a seperate package, i may have phrased it wrong but we are on the same page
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[20:52] <ratherDashing> raspbian has that rpi repo which it's perfect for, i guess that and omxplayer
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[20:53] <MarcN> just installed munin-node to monitor the RPi...
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[20:56] <IT_Sean> BUY ALL THE THINGS!
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[20:57] <traeak> are all these USB problems due to the rpi not supplying enough current to the USB ?
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[20:57] <plugwash> some are probablly due to volt drop at high currents because of those stupid polyswitches, some are almost certainly down to the low code quality of the driver and some may well be hardware bugs
[20:58] <IT_Sean> basically
[20:58] <plugwash> unfortunately it's near impossible to seperate them
[20:58] <traeak> sadly
[20:58] <ratherDashing> from experience, buying a powered hub solved my issues with my external hdd. each their own though
[20:58] <plugwash> well actually power is easy to seperate it's just most people don't have the guts to do it
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[20:58] <traeak> so as mentinoed before they probably should have sold a power supply with the rpi with a LOT more amperage
[20:59] <plugwash> connect a decent 2A PSU to the GPIO header and link out the polyswitches and you basically eliminate power problems
[20:59] <plugwash> so if it's still flaky after doing that you know it's something else
[20:59] <bbb^work> plugwash: I might do it when I get my 2nd pi :P
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[21:00] * bbb^work has plently of 5v PSU's rated at at 2.5A to 3A with barrel connectors.
[21:00] <traeak> we literally now have a "plug and pray" system
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[21:00] <bbb^work> I got a 7.5V one to that kick out 4A :) but I think that might be a bit on the high side for the pi
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[21:05] <plugwash> there is a 5V 40A one I setup for something at uni that I could probablly borrow but that is probablly overkill
[21:06] <ReggieUK> depends how many ports on your usb hub
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[21:13] <Hexxeh> bootc: i'm kinda sharing control of rpi-update with dom to let him get changes tested easily
[21:13] <Hexxeh> but we could easily add a switch that lets you use your kernel
[21:14] <dwatkins> greetings Hexxeh
[21:14] <dwatkins> might I assume from your name that you're porting ChromeOS to the Pi?
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[21:14] <Hexxeh> as soon as somebody sorts out the mess that is the graphics stack, sure
[21:14] <dwatkins> ah yes
[21:15] <plugwash> friggle, what are you doing about mirror selection in your images at the moment?
[21:17] <friggle> plugwash: http.debian.net right now
[21:17] <friggle> which seems to work quite nicely
[21:18] <friggle> plugwash: you might want to look at his code for managing your mirror geolocation? he has a github project
[21:19] <zgreg> bootc: is there a recommended/default config for the 3.2 kernel somewhere?
[21:19] <friggle> friggle: I haven't tried out mirror:// in apt either. Looks like it works in Ubuntu
[21:20] * dwatkins wonders if the OLPC crowd have been involved with the Pi at-all
[21:20] <passstab> is there an olpc crowd?
[21:21] <plugwash> One thing that is concerning me about using geolocation for raspbian mirrors is that we will only have one mirror in the USA
[21:21] <dwatkins> passstab: good point
[21:21] <IT_Sean> olpc?
[21:21] <plugwash> and i'm not sure it's fair on hexxeh to dump all our american users on him
[21:21] <dwatkins> IT_Sean: One Laptop Per Child - they were talking about an OS which paused processing in-between keystrokes to conserve power
[21:21] <IT_Sean> oh
[21:21] <friggle> plugwash: that's the advantage of using a redirector - you can load balance based on mirror capacity
[21:21] <dwatkins> I appreciate that's not much use for a multitasking server, but still
[21:22] <zgreg> OLPC were also taking about throwing the computers from helicopters
[21:22] <dwatkins> zgreg: heh wow
[21:23] <zgreg> IOW something went wrong with OLPC
[21:23] <ratherDashing> i could never see how OLPC would work. I always imagined them going to the market with it the first day and selling it
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[21:23] <dwatkins> ratherDashing: yeah, I guess they'd have to impress upon the entire community what the laptops could be useful for - although that might mean the adults just take them
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[21:25] <ratherDashing> yeah, if i was poor and someone gave me a free laptop, it would be better for me to learn a skill with it, but i would probably just be shortsighted enough to say "my family can eat for a week if i sell this bad boy"
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[21:27] <dwatkins> I think there was more demand from hobbyists than the 3rd world
[21:28] <dwatkins> Microsoft getting involved pretty much killed the project.
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[21:29] <friggle> olpc 1.75 is on its way
[21:30] <friggle> or indeed, may currently be being distribute. not sure
[21:30] <Helldesk> isn't OLPC for countries where the conditions are at least somewhat stable so you don't have to sell it to eat?
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[21:31] <Helldesk> even poor countries need schools - or rather, ESPECIALLY poor countries
[21:32] * SpeedEvil has been surprised there has been no 'camgirls from OLPC' scandals.
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[21:32] <Helldesk> camgirls need bandwidth
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> True.
[21:33] * SpeedEvil ponders a campaign to bring bandwidth to all the underprivilidged young women in the world.
[21:33] <IT_Sean> ... and free webcams?
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[21:46] <the_eye> so, I seem to lack wiki-search-foo .. any pointers re sound on the debian image? I've modprobe'd snd-bcm2835 and confirmed via alsamixer and aplay -L that there is a playback device. playing a wav-file with aplay leads to silence on the analog audio out ..
[21:47] <traeak> maybe it went hdmi?
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[21:47] <traeak> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound
[21:47] <the_eye> traeak: thanks, will read
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[21:49] <Wolfram74> is it possible to ssh onto my rPi from my computer if i have them hooked together using an ethernet chord?
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[21:49] <Wolfram74> i'd like to try and use my laptops keyboard to control my rPi
[21:49] <MarcN> Wolfram74, of course. My RPi is headless
[21:50] <traeak> need gigabit on one of them or an ethernet crossover cable
[21:50] <the_eye> traeak: cool that worked, thanks (amixer cset numid=3 1)
[21:50] <traeak> the_eye: the elinux wiki pages are the best ones
[21:50] <Wolfram74> ok, i have plugged an ethernet chord mating the two machines, the rPi's lighting up the fxk, lnk and 10m lights
[21:51] <Wolfram74> on my rpi screen i have as the latest line on the terminal "raspberrypi login: _"
[21:51] <Wolfram74> blinking
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[21:52] <traeak> Wolfram74: need to set up a subnet, etc
[21:52] <Wolfram74> where would the novices guide to that be found?
[21:52] <MarcN> Wolfram74, or plug the RPi to your router/switch/etc and let DHCP hand out an IP address.
[21:53] <traeak> Wolfram74: markn's suggest would be easiest
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[21:53] <Wolfram74> erk, that could be harder, since my router is on the other side of the house
[21:53] <ratherDashing> you don't even need a crossover cable anymore
[21:53] <dwatkins> Wolfram74: is the ethernet cable a crossover cable?
[21:53] <ratherDashing> i believe modern ethernet cards will let you switch the pins via software
[21:53] <dwatkins> ah, ignore me :)
[21:53] <dwatkins> if they are gigabit interfaces, they should auto-sense
[21:54] <MarcN> Wolfram74, mine too. And the RPi is right next to it. I'm up in the office ssh'ed down to it. Just another server on my network!
[21:54] <Wolfram74> well, i kind of like having a screen showing me what the computer is doing
[21:54] <dwatkins> I should put a hub on the powerline adapter I have in the study for my hardware VPN router, then I could attach the RPi to it as well
[21:54] <MarcN> Wolfram74, login and type: startx
[21:54] <ratherDashing> you can, via ssh, its the same as having it on a monitor
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[21:56] <Wolfram74> but it's own seperate monitor, i guess i'm being fickle about screen realestate
[21:56] <ratherDashing> then plug a monitor into it, if you startx via ssh it should fire X off onto that monitor, if not you can set it up that it does that
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[21:57] <Helldesk> does it actually show what is happening on another user's account or tty even if you have a monitor connected?
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[21:58] <Wolfram74> ok, the router is in house mates room, since that is only place where DSL jacks are, the hand me down monitor is in my basement, where i am located at the present
[21:58] <Helldesk> I think when I had it so that I was logged in "locally" and through ssh in addition, I didn't see what I did over ssh
[21:58] <Wolfram74> i could plug the rPi into the router and have an easier time of ssh'ing
[21:58] <Helldesk> (on the tv)
[21:59] <Wolfram74> or could run it down here where it'll have a monitor
[21:59] <the_eye> w00t rpi running mpd playing music, android phone acting as client and showing cover and everything. \o/
[21:59] <Helldesk> what is mpd?
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[22:00] <the_eye> "music player daemon". nice mp3 player that has a daemon that does the actual playing with various kinds of clients as frontends that can be on different machines
[22:00] <dwatkins> Helldesk: you can see what processes another user is running
[22:01] <Helldesk> oh, right, I've heard of that
[22:01] <DavidA> re all. Just got my Pi in the post. Power, mouse, keyboad, hdmi, ethernet, SD all connected. Red LED on. No picture. Did I miss something?
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[22:01] <Helldesk> could be an SD card the pi doesn't like
[22:01] <Helldesk> sadly
[22:01] <DavidA> ok
[22:02] <Helldesk> but first check the power supply
[22:02] <dwatkins> DavidA: sounds like the problem I had initially, check the SD card is all the way in, formatted ok etc.
[22:02] <Helldesk> do you have a multimeter?
[22:02] <DavidA> no multimeter
[22:02] <DavidA> no pic without SD?
[22:02] <Helldesk> ok, does the power supply have a rating printed on it?
[22:02] <DavidA> 5v
[22:02] <dwatkins> well, if the SD isn't in, the LED stays red
[22:02] <DavidA> ah
[22:02] <DavidA> let me check
[22:02] <Helldesk> 5 V obviously, but how many amps?
[22:03] <IT_Sean> it should say XXXma on it.
[22:03] <DavidA> 1.0
[22:03] <IT_Sean> You need 700ma or better. 1a (1000ma) is preferable.
[22:03] <Helldesk> 1 A?
[22:03] <DavidA> yup
[22:03] <IT_Sean> Okay, good. 1A is good.
[22:03] <DavidA> it's an old htc phone one I think
[22:03] <DavidA> ok
[22:03] <DavidA> I rushed through the SD card bit
[22:03] <Helldesk> mA, not ma
[22:04] <IT_Sean> sorry, mA. :p
[22:04] <friggle> Helldesk: what did you use to write the sd card? what image are you using?
[22:04] <friggle> DavidA: ^ I mean
[22:04] <DavidA> :)
[22:04] <DavidA> raspbmc
[22:05] <DavidA> using the win tool
[22:05] <Helldesk> do you have another SD card you could try it out with?
[22:05] <DavidA> yup
[22:05] <DavidA> trying that now
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[22:05] <Helldesk> good, you should soon be up and running :)
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[22:06] <DavidA> same
[22:06] <DavidA> do I need to format the SD card first? It had an old linux install on it I think
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> you copy it to the unpartitioned device
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> not any partition
[22:06] <DavidA> (alternatively, I could rtfm ;) )
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[22:07] <SpeedEvil> so /dev/whatever - not /dev/whatever1
[22:07] <DavidA> I thought the raspbmc made a bootable sd
[22:07] <Helldesk> it flashes the image as-is so it should not matter
[22:07] <Helldesk> the windows tool
[22:08] <DavidA> yup
[22:08] <DavidA> that's what I'm using
[22:08] <arthurdent> so ready to go pickup my rasberry pi!
[22:08] <arthurdent> probably getting it this friday
[22:08] <arthurdent> i totally had a dream last night that i finally got it XD
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[22:09] <arthurdent> does one have to buy codecs for h264?
[22:09] <arthurdent> and other proprietary formats
[22:09] <DavidA> works!
[22:09] <arthurdent> buy licenses rather
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[22:09] <friggle> arthurdent: it decodes h264 out fo the box
[22:09] <Helldesk> it already has the h264 hardware decoding licence included, but nothing else I think
[22:09] <arthurdent> friggle: with any OS or only the debian one?
[22:10] <arthurdent> oh that's neat
[22:10] <Helldesk> I wonder what would it take to get h264 hardware encoding support
[22:10] <friggle> Helldesk: arthurdent mpeg4 as well
[22:10] <DavidA> thx all - think it was just a bad sd install
[22:10] <friggle> arthurdent: any OS. just need omxplayer or xbmc or something that can use the 'OpenMAX' API for hardware accelerated decoding
[22:11] <arthurdent> vlc?
[22:11] <friggle> not currently
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[22:12] <Wolfram74> so, how bad would it be i just unplugged my rPi without giving it instructions to turn off?
[22:12] <arthurdent> it's toast
[22:12] <Wolfram74> noooo
[22:12] <arthurdent> you gotta buy a new one
[22:12] <mikey_w> lol
[22:12] <Wolfram74> it'll take months!
[22:12] <arthurdent> jk i'm sure it's fine
[22:12] <arthurdent> worst-case you gotta reflash the SD
[22:12] <arthurdent> but nothing else can break from that
[22:13] <Wolfram74> ok, i think i can do that
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> sync
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> sync
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> sync
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> halt
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[22:13] <mikey_w> Probably overwrote the gpu boot rom. Toast.
[22:14] <Matt> SpeedEvil: welcome to 2BSD
[22:16] <buzzkill> anyone have luck w/ the OpenELEC instructions for XBMC on the R-Pi?
[22:18] <the_eye> so, the stability of the audio drivers: not yet rock solid, I take it?
[22:18] <ratherDashing> the_eye: that's right
[22:18] <ratherDashing> alpha quality
[22:18] <ratherDashing> some things work, some don't
[22:18] <the_eye> ratherDashing: but that's something that's being actively worked upon?
[22:19] <trevorman> buzzkill: hmm? what do you mean?
[22:19] <the_eye> (audio player just crashed)
[22:19] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[22:19] <trevorman> buzzkill: openelec works for me on the rpi if thats what you're asking. I did the manual install steps
[22:19] <ratherDashing> i would hope so. every update i look at the audio debug logs that it spews to the console and they look different, more logging added and stuff, so someone is doing something. that being said, i still haven't gotten it to work very well at all as a user
[22:20] <ratherDashing> cmus works the best for me
[22:20] <ratherDashing> pianobar works the worst (well it kinda doesn't work)
[22:20] <the_eye> mpd worked fine for me until sometime in the 3rd song that I was trying to play upon which it suddenly crashed
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[22:21] * buzzkill is embarrassed.
[22:21] <ratherDashing> mpd is airtunes right?
[22:22] <the_eye> not sure how to parse that sentence?
[22:22] <buzzkill> I made an error. I believe it will all be fine
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[22:22] <the_eye> ratherDashing: it plays via alsa if that's what you were asking
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[22:22] <ratherDashing> how does it get it's input? the apple airtunes protocol?
[22:23] <the_eye> ratherDashing: ah you mean control input? uses its own protocol, afaik
[22:23] <amelia_> Someone told me about trying RaspBMC, and that it works well with AirPlay streaming
[22:23] <IT_Sean> I know crystalbuntu (xbmc for the ATV) supports airplay.
[22:23] <ratherDashing> when i get some time i want to setup a2dp
[22:24] <ratherDashing> i got bluetooth to work on my pi, just gotta figure that part out
[22:25] <DavidA> anyone know what is happening here? looks like video corruption: http://imgur.com/2ft1g
[22:25] <Matt> I want a linux airplay client
[22:25] <bfdb> DavidA: aliens
[22:25] <IT_Sean> amelia_: airplay relies on a direct connection of sorts, so, your iDevice and the xbmc device have to be on the same network. i.e. if the iDevice is on a wireless network, the xbmc device needs to be on the same wireless network. If the xbmc is on a wired network, the iDevice (or laptop, etc..) need to be on the same wired network, etc...
[22:26] <DavidA> bfdb: thought so
[22:26] <plugwash> flaky HDMI connection, try increasing the drive level in config.txt
[22:26] <DavidA> :)
[22:26] <DavidA> ok
[22:26] <IT_Sean> It is NOT enough for one to be on the wired part of a router with the other on the wireless part of the same router.
[22:26] <DavidA> thought it might be hardware/unfixable
[22:26] <bfdb> IT_Sean: that seems silly
[22:26] <Dagger2> IT_Sean: that should be enough, assuming the wired and wireless are bridged and no filtering is going on
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> Depends on the routing.
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[22:27] <trevorman> what Dagger2 said. if its doing bridging correctly then it should be the same
[22:27] <IT_Sean> Depends on the router, i suppose. With every setup i have tried, i have not gotten it to work across the wireless/wired barrier
[22:27] <bfdb> as long as they're on the same gateway should be enough shouldn't it?
[22:27] <the_eye> same broadcast domain I would presume
[22:27] <IT_Sean> That SHOULD be enough, but, it depends on how the router is set up.
[22:27] <trevorman> all consumer routers should have wifi and wired as the same segment though
[22:28] <trevorman> never seen any that by default let you unlink them. not in a consumer one anyway
[22:28] <bfdb> so you have to get an apple branded router for it to work?
[22:28] <IT_Sean> No.
[22:28] <IT_Sean> You do not.
[22:28] <IT_Sean> But, you do need the router to bridge the wired and wireless netowkrs properly.
[22:28] <trevorman> bit of a silly limitation by apple if so anyway
[22:28] <bfdb> anyone here on the ios 6 beta?
[22:28] <trevorman> since having wired + wireless is very common
[22:29] <IT_Sean> I agree. I've never gotten it to work. ymmv
[22:29] <Matt> IT_Sean: I'll have to test with our atv2 tonight, but every consumer router I've seen have bridged wired+wireless, rather than route between them
[22:29] <IT_Sean> I have gotten it to work with everything on wireless, but, not across the wireless/wired barrier
[22:29] <trevorman> weird
[22:29] <bfdb> and you're an it technician?
[22:33] <arthurdent> oof
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> hello again.
[22:36] <bfdb> hi
[22:37] <bfdb> would I be able to set up an ssh tunnel with my raspberrypi?
[22:37] <trevorman> yes?
[22:37] <bfdb> is it hard? I'm a bit of a linux newb
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[22:38] <trevorman> tunnel from what to do what?
[22:38] * SpeedEvil looks at the omap5 specs.
[22:38] <Scepterr> is the raspbmc.com site admin in here ?
[22:40] <bfdb> trevorman: tunnel http traffic from a windows laptop to the raspberrypi, so if I connect to an unsecure wifi hotspot of whatever
[22:41] <bfdb> *or
[22:41] <mythos> bfdb, i think, openvpn is what you want
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[22:42] <bfdb> mythos: okay thanks
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> No - tunnelled SSH is perfect for this stuff.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> No need at all to use the overhead of openvpn.
[22:43] <mythos> gordonDrogon, vpn is the easy way
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[22:44] <gordonDrogon> I use both - for a simple port-forward, I'd use ssh every time.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> and I do.
[22:44] <mythos> gordonDrogon, he is new to linux. so don't give him a hard time ;)
[22:45] <bfdb> I can already ssh
[22:45] * Matt nods
[22:45] <bfdb> gordonDrogon: So how would I set up a tunnel?
[22:45] <Matt> for just a simple occasional port-forward, ssh is great
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> mythos, sure - but don't you give him the screaming heeby jeebies by getting him to install openvpn :)
[22:45] <Matt> if I wanna push more network traffic, openvpn is fantastic
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> matt agreed - openvpn is good - but it's a VPN - to just get to a port on a device, ssh is great.
[22:46] <Matt> yup :)
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[22:46] <gordonDrogon> bfdb, Use Putty from Windows. Use it to connect to Pi. Then setup port forward in Putty - e.g. forward localhost, port 8080 to remote IP, port 80, then http://localhost:8080/ on the local PC will get you to the remote.
[22:46] * Matt uses ssh -L3389:foo:3389 customer.bar.com all the time
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> PuTTY is actually a bit harder to setup on a Win PC - you need to use the GUI to add in the forwards after making the connection.
[22:47] <plugwash> IIRC you can add them in before making it too
[22:47] <Matt> you can add in the forwards when you make the connection
[22:47] <plugwash> and you can save them in a profile
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> you can save them...
[22:47] <Ben64> in openelec, how can i get the video to not play larger than my screen?
[22:47] <Matt> enter the connection details on the main page, then click down into SSH | Tunnels and add em in, then connect
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> I always found it odd that the GUI in PuTTY was more awkward than command line!
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> but maybe I'm just better at typing :)
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[22:50] <mythos> i think, he want to surf over his raspi and don't want to access a single http-service
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> right.. now to patch avrdude to make it use gpio ...
[22:50] <neofutur> Ben64: i m not using openelec but perhaps you just need the overscan parameters in the config.txt file
[22:50] <Ben64> i never used it in debian... but what is the syntax?
[22:50] <MarcN> Ben64, what are you using to play videos? vlc? totem?
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[22:51] <Ben64> uh, whatever openelec uses? i'd guess omxplayer
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[22:52] <MarcN> Ben64, I'm running RPi headless. Yup, omxplayer is installed. Will try after kids are in bed.
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[22:52] <nacimmep> i prefer head
[22:53] <MarcN> nacimmep, ;-)
[22:53] <nacimmep> any id a snake? http://i.imgur.com/277ix.jpg
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[22:55] <MarcN> What video formats does omxplayer support? avi, m4v, webm? Not much info around on it.
[22:56] <bootc> 20:17 <+zgreg> bootc: is there a recommended/default config for the 3.2 kernel somewhere?
[22:56] <Ben64> i was able to play everything i tried with omxplayer in debian
[22:56] <Ben64> except for mpeg2, but the pi can't play that anyway
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[22:56] <MarcN> Ben64, not in the ubuntu repos
[22:56] <bootc> zgreg: my kernel config is more debianised than the default one, so it has many more things compiled as modules and many more options selected too
[22:56] <bootc> so not really usable as a defconfig
[22:57] <Ben64> ubuntu?
[22:57] <Ben64> thought you were talking about pi
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[22:57] <MarcN> Ben64, I am. Thought if RPi had omxplayer, that Ubuntu would too.
[22:57] <Ben64> nope
[22:57] <MarcN> Ben64, no /usr/share/doc/oxmplayer nor /usr/share/omxplayer/ nor man page.
[22:58] <Ben64> omxplayer is made to take advantage of the raspberry pi gpu
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[22:58] <pjm> brilliant! http://blog.pwnieexpress.com/post/24967860602/raspberry-pwn-a-pentesting-release-for-the-raspberry
[22:58] <MarcN> Ben64, ah, so one off.
[22:58] <MarcN> pjm, took a quick look at it. Just a bunch of apt-get install
[22:59] <pjm> it is, but there are people that cant, makes u wonder why they want pentesting tools!
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[23:02] * plugwash suspects pentesting is often a codeword for "this is intended for crackers but we can't say it's intended for crackers for legal reasons"
[23:02] <amelia_> ha :P not entirely true, but right enough :D
[23:03] <Dysk> More often than not, that's going to be your largest userbase...
[23:03] <DavidA2> running raspbmc. I get to the login screen login:pi, pwd:raspberry doesn't work - anyone had that?
[23:03] <DavidA2> Installing rapbmc, I should say
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[23:09] <Helldesk> crackers would develop those tools anyway, so might as well spread the analysis tools to the white hats and everyone building their own to harden them to begin with
[23:09] <Helldesk> (building their own systems that is)
[23:09] <bfdb> meh, why would you use a raspberrypi over a laptop to crack your neighbours wifi
[23:09] <bfdb> with a laptop it comes with a battery so you can steal wifi from your car
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[23:11] <ReggieUK> you could hide a pi much more discretely in a car than you could a laptop and of course you could easily power the pi via teh cars battery
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[23:11] <amelia_> The Pwn Plug is just another wall wart with some custom software and a take sticker :P
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[23:26] <the_eye> so I just tried the firmware upload tool. got the error "39905703: vchiq_lib: Very incompatible VCHIQ library - cannot retrieve driver version"
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[23:33] <DavidA2> anyone know why my hdmi signal might be freaking out? http://imgur.com/2ft1g
[23:34] <amelia_> DavidA2: does your screen go fuzzy, like http://melktert.net/temp/ao722_fuzzygfx.ogv ?
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[23:35] <DavidA2> not quite the same, but that might just be the way my TV handles the same problem
[23:35] <DavidA2> currently going in and out of sync
[23:36] <friggle> DavidA2: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Interference_visible_on_a_HDMI_or_DVI_monitor
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[23:36] <DavidA2> ah - that's it
[23:36] <DavidA2> thx
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[23:41] <jagginess> hi
[23:41] <jagginess> does anyone know if this will fit ? http://www.adafruit.com/products/271
[23:42] <jagginess> i've read the clearbox can-- http://wiki.ladyada.net/products/pi-box -- wondering if anything that says "Arduino" means the raspberry would be able to fit..
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[23:57] <frankivo> w00t w00t
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[23:57] <frankivo> my pi is at the airport already
[23:58] <Draylor> make sure it gets its boarding pass before going for a beer :D
[23:58] <frankivo> hehe
[23:58] <frankivo> got my shipment info today
[23:59] <frankivo> but making it to the airport today, may mean I get it before this weekend
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