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IRC Log for 2012-06-13

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[0:00] <nacimmep> newark says they'll ship mine sometime nextweek
[0:00] <nacimmep> :P
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[0:10] <Foxhoundz> pi
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> pi
[0:10] <IT_Sean> pi?
[0:10] <frankivo> 3.14159265
[0:10] <DDave> PEEEE!!!
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> pyie
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[0:12] <MarcN> fyi, the video capture Motion works
[0:13] <gordonDrogon> *sigh* the debian arduino IDE package has a dependancy on avrdude, but I want to install my own avrdude.
[0:13] <frankivo> use --no-deps or whatever :P
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[0:15] <Gabrial|Ubuntu> Running a Ubuntu LiveCD on my desktop trying to decide if I like it or not. lol
[0:15] <Dagger2> or make a fake package with equivs
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[0:16] <gordonDrogon> currently using equivs.
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> however the ultimate solution is to package up my version of avrdude, install that first, then install arduino, I guess.
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> need to learn more about debian packaging...
[0:17] <Dagger2> ah, that might be a better idea
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if my patches will work against the debian source for avrdude - I suspect that's the best place to start as that has everything I need to make a package, AIUI ?
[0:18] <Dagger2> you can often use checkinstall to make debs from random software (e.g. `checkinstall make install` or somesuch)
[0:18] <Dagger2> or yeah, just download the debian source and build that
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[0:18] <gordonDrogon> will look into that, thanks.
[0:18] <plugwash> Dagger2, checkinstall is a gross hack that should generally only be used as a last resort
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> been using debian for ever, but never really made a new package!
[0:19] <Dagger2> using whatever magic invocation of debian tool you're supposed to use for that particular package... there seems to be a lot of different ways of building packages on debian :/
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> yea... I did build a binary only one a while back, but it did seem like there are several ways to do it.
[0:21] <friggle> plugwash: well, it's a step up from make install
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[0:22] <mythos> checkinstall is for most cases a "good enough"?-solution
[0:22] <Dagger2> plugwash: what am I supposed to do? writing all the random crap needed for a debian package is a bit of a pain
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> right. now to wire up the Pi's GPIO to the ISP port on an Ardino...
[0:23] <Gadgetoid> how goes it, gordonDrogon?
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[0:24] <plugwash> iirc in most cases dh_make will write out the nessacerry boilerplate for you
[0:24] <plugwash> unless there is something weird about your package
[0:24] <nacimmep> why not just connect the arduino to the pi through usb ?
[0:24] <plugwash> but generally if it exists best to take the existing debian package and work from there
[0:24] <nacimmep> usb serial
[0:24] <nacimmep> i guess thats too easy ;)
[0:25] <Gadgetoid> nacimmep: one does not simply connect an arduino via USB!
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[0:25] <nacimmep> have one of those cheap ones without the usb port?
[0:25] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: is it me, or does the atmega bleed power through its tx/rx?
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[0:26] <Gadgetoid> nacimmep: define "without the usb port"
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[0:26] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I've not checked...
[0:26] <Gadgetoid> Mine, for example, is just the atmega seated on a breadboard
[0:26] <Gadgetoid> And gordonDrogon is doing the same, only more so
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> mine too
[0:26] <nacimmep> well i have an uno and it has usb
[0:27] <DavidA2> wow - raspbmc is great
[0:27] <Gadgetoid> although I have now added a voltage regulator to mine and seated a usb->serial adaptor on the breadboard
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> I have uno, 2009, the one before that, seeduino er some other randome one and a bag of chips and a new one.
[0:27] <nacimmep> http://www.liquidware.com/system/0000/3648/Arduino_Uno_Angle.jpg
[0:27] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: got the leonardo yet? It's been tempting me
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, what's special about the leo?
[0:28] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I have no idea... it has a couple more IOs...err... and a new name?
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[0:28] <Gadgetoid> The main thing they tout is the onboard USB, and its ability to manifest as a HID device or something to that effect
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> you can do that on the Uno, can't you?
[0:29] <Gadgetoid> Not had my hands upon an Uno to try
[0:29] <nacimmep> "he Leonardo differs from all preceding boards in that the ATmega32u4 has built-in USB communication, eliminating the need for a secondary processor. This allows the Leonardo to appear to a connected computer as a mouse and keyboard, in addition to a virtual (CDC) serial / COM port"
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> I have one in the middle of some weather station kit...
[0:29] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Oh I tested my "dead" breakout board, and it does indeed still work... *sigh*
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Ah well, you have 2 now :)
[0:30] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: three if you count the basic one I bought, too
[0:30] <Gadgetoid> will be handy if I get some more ATMega chips and try to burn my own bootloaders and stuff
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> nacimmep, ok. sounds like they're clutching at straws for applications though...
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I'm just about to try to program an ATmega directly from the Pi's GPIO without using serial or a bootloader...
[0:31] <Gadgetoid> I've put a diode between tx on the ATMega and rx on my breakout board
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[0:31] <gordonDrogon> I didn't - and I programmed it OK via serial.
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> it needs 4 GPIO pins though...
[0:31] <Gadgetoid> Not a lot, really!
[0:32] <gordonDrogon> I'll ultimately use 4 of the 5 SPI pins.
[0:32] <gordonDrogon> Hm. need a hex file.
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[0:33] <Gadgetoid> I think I need a better solution for power distribution on my breadboard altogether, I've got a voltage reg to convert 4.5v 3xAAA batteries for the ATMega to run from
[0:34] <Gadgetoid> But then i've also got the breakout board's 3.3v and GND lines connected
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[0:35] <Gadgetoid> Even with the live and ground to the breakout board's half of the breadboard disconnected, the TX of the ATMega is sufficient to light an LED
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[0:36] <gordonDrogon> Tx would be, yes.
[0:37] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: ooh ISP programming with GPIO :)
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[0:37] <Gadgetoid> Not quite sure how it's completing a circuit though!
[0:39] <plugwash> protection diodes
[0:39] <plugwash> most IO pins on CMOS ICs have diodes to the power rails for ESD protection
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[0:42] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, Yup!
[0:42] <Tachi> Anyone else had a delivery with parcel force where the tracking page is blank? Even though it should have been picked up?
[0:43] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Does it work ?
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[0:43] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, I think so... Just need to make sure the .hex I put into it is actually doing something.
[0:43] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: is determined to render my spontaneous collection of breakout boards redundant :D
[0:43] <Ben64> the overscan setting in config.txt isn't having any noticeable effect, what am i doing wrong?
[0:43] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Be interested in details if it does work :)
[0:44] <Gadgetoid> could make a nice Pi topping designed to flash, set up and run ATMega chips in a variety of delicious flavours
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[0:45] <Tachi> Ben64 I believe you have to restart after every change.
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[0:45] <Gadget-Mac> I've spent the evening using arduinoISP to flash some 1284p's
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[0:46] <Ben64> Tachi: i did
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[0:46] <Ben64> i think openelec is overriding it?
[0:46] <Gadgetoid> I've flashed approximately no ATMega chips, ever, so I'm going to force myself to buy a stock one next time
[0:46] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Gadget-Mac Yes, it is working beautifully.
[0:47] <gordonDrogon> and it also means that I don't need any serial bootloader.
[0:47] <gordonDrogon> which means that as it's running at 12MHz it doesn't need to be special.
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[0:48] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: coolness
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> which means a lot of things for this particular project.
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> so now (well tomorow) I'll make a proper .deb of my avrdude.
[0:48] <Gadget-Mac> Can you provide details of what you've done ?
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> it's even using the proper /sys/class/gpio interface too and not my wiringPi!
[0:48] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: how do you program a bare ATMega, same way you do an arduino?
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> er, sort of.
[0:49] <gordonDrogon> a bare arduino must be programmed through it's ISP port.
[0:49] <gordonDrogon> I have a programmer that I use on Arduinos and it's how I put the serial bootloader on this system.
[0:49] <gordonDrogon> However, I've just used the same ISP port on the arduino via 4 GPIO pins on the Pi to program the ATmega chip directly.
[0:50] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: you highlight well how much I've yet to learn :D
[0:50] <gordonDrogon> I have a hacked version of avrdude that uses the GPIO pins.
[0:50] <Gadget-Mac> Tis cool, frees up serial ports on atmega and Pi
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[0:51] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, well the serial ports are connected togther...
[0:51] <trevorman> just don't mess with the fuses and disable ISP :D
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> so I can keep minicom running on the Pi.
[0:51] <Gadget-Mac> Sure.
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, I do need to fiddle with the fuses to set the right bits for 12MHz ceramic osc. and to clear the lock bits to program the full chip...
[0:51] <trevorman> so annoying when that happens. have to dig out the flakey dragon.
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[0:52] <Gadget-Mac> 12Mhz for ruuing at 3v3 I assume.
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> yes. powered off the Pi.
[0:52] <Gadget-Mac> Although I still find that dammed graph annoying in the atmel data sheets
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> actually the board is powered off the Pi's 5V supply and has its own regulator.
[0:52] * Gadgetoid just runs his at 16mhz, live on the wild side!
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[0:53] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: haha, I have a regulator set up so I can do the same now ;)
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> makes life easier.
[0:53] <Gadgetoid> makes LEDs brighter, whee!
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[0:54] <Gadget-Mac> If they're smoking you know it's too bright
[0:54] <trevorman> smells awful when that happens
[0:54] <Gadgetoid> I wonder if I can turn my arduino into a software shift register
[0:54] <Gadgetoid> I suspect the answer to that question is: too easy, gah
[0:54] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: which atmega chip ?
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[0:56] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: the BCM SoC can output a clock on the GPIOs. if you configure it for something < 12mhz then you could get away with not having a resonator or crystal at all
[0:56] <gordonDrogon> Im using 168's and 328p's.
[0:56] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, waste of a gpio pin. good idea though.
[0:56] <trevorman> just as a programmer I mean
[0:56] <trevorman> not for actual permanent attachment
[0:57] <gordonDrogon> well, the chips will be attached to the Pi ... sort of.
[0:57] <gordonDrogon> it's an expansion board with on-board arduino...
[0:57] <gordonDrogon> ultimately...
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[0:58] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'll take one! huzzah
[0:58] <plugwash> you can always put some jumpers on the board which are put in place for programming and removed if you want to use the GPIO for other stuff
[0:58] <trevorman> somebody could make a very low cost AVR ISP adapter for the RPi. pretty much just a PCB with two sockets on + some bypass caps if you really want to add them
[0:59] <trevorman> same again for PIC
[0:59] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, that's the plan...
[1:00] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, bit of ribbon cable and the right connectors is all that's needed...
[1:00] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: How about an digital switch activated from a gpio pin :)
[1:00] <gordonDrogon> I'm using 4 female to female jumpers from the GPIO to the ISP header...
[1:01] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, and another gpio pin to disable the switch, so you can use that gpio pin and another to ....
[1:01] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: this would be for bare chips. edu usage etc...
[1:01] <Gadget-Mac> lol
[1:02] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, actually, this board with Pi, expansion board and a ZIF header would be neat for bulk programming...
[1:02] <Gadget-Mac> Indeed.
[1:02] <Gadget-Mac> Can you use an 4 gpio pins ?
[1:03] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[1:03] <gordonDrogon> that's what 'm using...
[1:03] <Gadget-Mac> So you could run 2 ?
[1:03] <gordonDrogon> could run 3, possibly 4 ...
[1:03] <gordonDrogon> there are 17 gpio pins ...
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> however it's my bed time.... until tomorow!!!
[1:05] <trevorman> just connect the SPI interface to all your chips and hold them in reset if you want to do bulk but sequential
[1:06] <trevorman> YMMV if you're trying to do loads of chips together as the SPI bus will probably not appreciate that
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[2:23] <syntax_erorr> So can someone give me a link or explain to me how to get the drivers loaded on the debian 6-19-04-2012 release?
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[2:24] <syntax_erorr> I'm on the pi now, but I don't have an gpu acceleration. I have /opt/vc/lib added to /etc/ld.so.conf.d still can't get it going.
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[2:39] <nirokato> Hi everyone, does anyone know of a RaspberryPi project for a TTS alarm clock/notifier?
[2:42] <syntax_erorr> So is there even an accelerated X driver for the the debian image?
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[2:45] <mythos> syntax_erorr, my raspbian is useing fbdev, so... maybe not
[2:46] <plugwash> no we don't have an accelerated X driver yet, people have talked about writing one but afaict noone has succeeded :(
[2:46] <syntax_erorr> raspbmc has gpu acceleration.
[2:46] <syntax_erorr> but I have keyboard issuses with that distro right now.
[2:47] <mythos> syntax_erorr, maybe you have power-issues. try to use an usb-hub
[2:48] <AthlonRob> How long does the RPi firmware take to load?
[2:49] <syntax_erorr> mythos, I can try that, I am using a 2 amp supply though.
[2:50] <syntax_erorr> And it only happens in raspbmc. Debian works fine.
[2:50] <mythos> syntax_erorr, did you check the power-state with a multimeter?
[2:51] <mythos> syntax_erorr, http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#How_Can_I_tell_if_the_power_supply_is_inadequate.3F
[2:51] <syntax_erorr> I'll check
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[2:52] <blkhawk> lo
[2:53] <mythos> AthlonRob, that depends on your internet-connection ;)
[2:54] <syntax_erorr> mythos, hmm it is low 4.32 volts
[2:54] <mythos> syntax_erorr, that explains it
[2:54] <syntax_erorr> brand new power supply
[2:54] <syntax_erorr> I'm gonna try an older one I'll brb
[2:54] <syntax_erorr> thanks
[2:55] <mythos> maybe your micro(?)-usb cable's resistence is too high
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[2:57] <blkhawk> i had a few cheap cables that were like this
[2:57] <blkhawk> good source of easy to dissasemble microusb plugs tho
[2:58] <ReggieUK> I took one apart today, looks like it's made with headphone wire
[2:58] <ReggieUK> very thin
[2:58] <ReggieUK> 4 strands per line
[2:58] <AthlonRob> mythos: updated my pi in archlinux and it's hanging, I'm wondering if the firware package might be to blame
[2:58] <ReggieUK> poor
[2:58] <ReggieUK> very poor
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[2:59] <amelia_> Hm, RaspBMC has full-HD audio and video working happily through HDMI.. I wish stock Debian had that.
[3:00] <mythos> AthlonRob, hanging in "does nothing after time x"?
[3:01] <Ben64> amelia_: it does
[3:01] <blkhawk> amelia_: i dunnow about full hd audio but i had some audio ;)
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[3:01] <AthlonRob> mythos: I haven't plugged it into a display just yet
[3:01] <Ben64> openelec is freaking rediculous
[3:01] <amelia_> Ben64: last I knew, alsa was flaky at best, and modprobe didn't achieve much
[3:01] <AthlonRob> it's not coming back up on network
[3:01] <Ben64> amelia_: omxplayer
[3:02] <mythos> AthlonRob, so you bricked your pi ;)
[3:03] <AthlonRob> mythos: I'd like to plug it in to a display before saying that :-)
[3:03] <AthlonRob> but, yeah
[3:03] <mythos> AthlonRob, if it doesn't start at all, yeah, you should check your /boot
[3:03] <Ben64> the joke is pi is impossible to brick
[3:03] <AthlonRob> nothing is impossible to brick
[3:03] <AthlonRob> not if you try hard enough :-)
[3:04] <Ben64> you just make a new sd card, bam fixed
[3:04] <mythos> Ben64, /boot/config.txt is a easy way ;)
[3:04] <mythos> *an
[3:04] <Ben64> not booting != brick
[3:05] <AthlonRob> Ben64: every time somebody has said something can't be bricked, it's been bricked by somebody...
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[3:05] <Ben64> can't be bricked
[3:05] <mythos> overvolting?
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[3:06] <Ben64> thats breaking
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[3:07] <AthlonRob> I'm getting no OK light
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[3:08] <mythos> AthlonRob, http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[3:09] <syntax_erorr> Well I tried every usb charger in the house. With one being 5.3v 2a out for a tablet. That still only produced 4.5 volts at tp1 and 2
[3:09] <syntax_erorr> and every cable
[3:09] <AthlonRob> second pi also shows no ok light with the SD card... hmmm
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[3:09] <AthlonRob2> The OK light isn't coming on for me :-(
[3:09] <AthlonRob2> I dropped the SD card into my second pi, and again, no OK light
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[3:10] <mythos> you have a second pi? ;)
[3:10] <edsiper> fyi: if anyone is interested into a Raspberry_HTTP benchmark here is one: http://monkey-project.com/benchmarks/raspberry_pi_monkey_nginx
[3:10] <mythos> AthlonRob, recreate a new sdcard and check against it
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[3:12] <AthlonRob2> mythos: yes, I do
[3:12] <AthlonRob2> I have no other SD card, though... *sigh*
[3:12] <mythos> syntax_erorr, try the check the resistance of one of your cables
[3:12] <AthlonRob2> mythos: what turns the OK light on?
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[3:13] <mythos> AthlonRob, OK-led? hmm.. that only blinks if the sdcard is accessed
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[3:14] <syntax_erorr> mythos, looks like this one is around .4 ohms
[3:15] <mythos> AthlonRob, D5(Green) - OK - SDCard Access (via GPIO16)
[3:16] <mythos> syntax_erorr, then i don't know, why it is so low. but maybe someone other does. or ask in the forum
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[3:20] <syntax_erorr> Think a usb3 port would power a pi?
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[3:22] <mythos> syntax_erorr, wp says it can handle up to 900mA, so maybe
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[3:22] <Butcho> Might with this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0047AALS0/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
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[3:24] <syntax_erorr> Well I want just a stand alone wall charger.
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[3:27] <nirokato> syntax_erorr: I'm using a Motorola phone charging power supply, model: FMP5358A. Great option if you're in the US.
[3:27] <nirokato> can be found for <$10
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[3:28] <syntax_erorr> usb3 port had same result. 4.5 volts
[3:28] <Ben64> why/how is openelec ignoring config.txt and is there another media center that won't be a bitch?
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[3:29] <syntax_erorr> either net and hdmi had no effect on voltage
[3:29] <syntax_erorr> and my usb keyboard
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[3:32] <zrtsch> hello
[3:33] <nirokato> Hi zrtsch
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[3:35] <zrtsch> So, I'm reading on the wiki/forums here about people getting corrupted sd cards
[3:35] <zrtsch> I was originally just trying to find the max transfer rate of the RPi
[3:36] <shirro> zrtsch: which forum thread.
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[3:36] <zrtsch> Should I be ok as long as I get something off the list of working SD cards? http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[3:36] <zrtsch> I was looking for a class 10 32gb
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[3:36] <zrtsch> and this thread http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=5057&start=25
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[3:37] <shirro> Does the card cost more than the Pi?
[3:37] <zrtsch> It's like $27
[3:37] <zrtsch> so no
[3:37] <Butcho> most class 10s don't work
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[3:37] <zrtsch> oh?
[3:38] <Butcho> buy it locally so you can take it back if it doesn't work
[3:38] <passstab> it needs to be class 6?
[3:38] <Butcho> even a card on the supported list may not work
[3:38] <zrtsch> Well that's a bummer
[3:38] <zrtsch> maybe I can try before I buy
[3:39] <Butcho> I bought a PNY 8gb Class 6
[3:39] <Butcho> and it didn't work with debian6-04-19
[3:39] <Butcho> I had to perform a firmware update for it to work
[3:39] <Butcho> so technically it did work, but not out of the box
[3:40] <Butcho> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[3:40] <shirro> My class 6 flies with reads now but not with an out of the box config or kernel. I wouldn't mind faster writes. I don't think class 10 cards are a guarantee of that do they?
[3:41] <ReggieUK> I would probably wait a few days before commiting yourself to a large sized card
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[3:41] <shirro> zrtsch: with the standard kernel now shipping you will not get more than 4.5 MB/s read from any card no matter how much you spend.
[3:42] <ReggieUK> work is/has been done on the SD drivers but as you can see, people have issues so it would be better to wait until they've gathered more test data
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[3:43] <ReggieUK> unless you have a pressing need to buy something now
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[3:44] <AthlonRob3> So, I'm still not getting an OK light when I boot. :-(
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[3:44] <AthlonRob3> I dropped the latest kernel, from a windows box, onto the SD card in /boot and am still not getting the OK light
[3:44] <Butcho> did you update firmware?
[3:45] <AthlonRob3> yes, before the death
[3:45] <Butcho> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[3:45] <AthlonRob3> I don't understand
[3:45] <Butcho> have another linux box?
[3:45] <shirro> AthlonRob3: copy your firmware files over again. It sounds like one is corrupt.
[3:46] <AthlonRob3> Butcho: not conveniently
[3:46] <AthlonRob3> shirro: which all files make that up and can I do it from windoze?
[3:46] <Butcho> think you can do it manually by copying the files to the fat32 partition, but I used my linux server to run rpi-update
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[3:49] <shirro> AthlonRob3: don't know anything much about windows anymore but I think it supports dos filesystems :-) So you should be able to grab the .bin files and .elf files from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[3:50] <AthlonRob3> shirro: I wish I could say the same... ran slackware as my desktop for many years...
[3:50] <AthlonRob3> I'm giving that a shit now
[3:50] <AthlonRob3> haha
[3:50] <AthlonRob3> a shot
[3:50] <shirro> AthlonRob3: irc from the throne room? wouldn't be the first
[3:51] <AthlonRob3> still no ok light... *sigh*
[3:51] <AthlonRob3> I made a backup of the image, I'm going to rewrite the starting image
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[3:51] <AthlonRob3> wish I would have backed up /etc
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[3:51] <Butcho> copied those bin and elf files that quickly?
[3:51] <AthlonRob3> Yeah
[3:52] <AthlonRob3> it's only a few MB
[3:52] <AthlonRob3> I was downloading them when you suggested it
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[3:52] <Butcho> wait... you're not even getting the ok light
[3:52] <AthlonRob3> indeed
[3:52] <Butcho> ugg
[3:52] <AthlonRob3> yeah
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[3:53] <AthlonRob3> I have a second pi and plugged the SD card into it to test... still a no-go
[3:53] <Butcho> thought you were having the same problem as another guy who wasn't getting screen
[3:53] <AthlonRob3> I'd be happy with no display at all
[3:53] <AthlonRob3> this thing is acting as my router
[3:53] <Butcho> you have two pis and they both don't work?
[3:53] <AthlonRob3> well, it was
[3:53] <AthlonRob3> Butcho: yes
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[3:54] <AthlonRob3> I upgraded the kernel and firmware in archlinux, rebooted, and, well, no green light
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[3:54] <Butcho> tried another SD card?
[3:54] <AthlonRob3> I don't own another SD card :-(
[3:54] <Butcho> then why do you have two pis
[3:54] <shirro> two pis one card?
[3:54] <Butcho> doing the math = not adding up
[3:54] <AthlonRob3> shirro: when you say it like that, it sounds quite naughty
[3:54] <AthlonRob3> I'm waiting to get a second card
[3:55] <AthlonRob3> I ordered a pi each from two stores hoping to get just one
[3:55] <AthlonRob3> they both came within a week of each other
[3:55] <shirro> AthlonRob3: you should have seen the reaction face
[3:55] <ReggieUK> AthlonRob3, mind your language please :)
[3:55] <Butcho> must be your power supply
[3:55] <AthlonRob3> Butcho: tried two of those that have both worked well
[3:55] <AthlonRob3> both are 1A
[3:55] <Ben64> probably sd card
[3:56] <Butcho> didn't someone say the OK light is hardwired across the power circuit, i.e. if it has power, ok light is on ?
[3:56] <Ben64> don't think so
[3:56] <Ben64> pretty sure theres a program that blinks it
[3:56] <AthlonRob3> Just rewrote the stock image to the SD card and got lights
[3:56] <Butcho> oh ok
[3:56] <Butcho> making progress
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[3:57] <Butcho> brb
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[3:57] <AthlonRob3> I wonder if I can steal /boot from this image and then flash my old one on there and replace it again...
[3:57] <Ben64> what are you trying to do
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[3:57] <shirro> has anyone had usb keyboard issues with missing keys and repeats clear up a lot recently? mine seems to have improved and I am trying to work out why
[3:57] <AthlonRob3> Ben64: recover to a few hours ago, really
[3:58] <AthlonRob3> I updated the kernel and firmware packages in archlinux and then it wasn't working
[3:58] <AthlonRob3> I want to get it working again
[3:58] <Ben64> oh
[3:58] <AthlonRob3> it works with the stock image
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[3:59] <AthlonRob3> writing back my image now...
[3:59] <AthlonRob3> definitely need to get /etc backing up...
[3:59] <AthlonRob3> ...and another SD card
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[4:00] <AthlonRob3> I'm thinking about stealing the microsd from my old phone and giving that a shot
[4:00] <AthlonRob3> 8GB should be enough to run as a router/proxy
[4:01] <AthlonRob3> afk while this thing writes....
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[4:12] <dirty_d> which package provides cc1 on raspbian?
[4:12] <zrtsch> shirro, ReggieUK, I don't.. just ordered rpi today so I have to wait until August or later :/
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[4:34] <Wolfram74> so if i have an IP address, how do i ssh onto my rPI?
[4:34] <syntax_erorr> ssh pi@yourpiaddress
[4:34] <syntax_erorr> that is if you are using debian
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[4:34] <syntax_erorr> Wolfram74, are you on windows or linux?
[4:35] <Wolfram74> mac, so linux*, yes?
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[4:35] <syntax_erorr> do you have an ssh client on the mac?
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[4:35] <Wolfram74> i'm using the terminal
[4:35] <syntax_erorr> type ssh and see what happens
[4:35] <Wolfram74> oh, im on/through
[4:36] <syntax_erorr> your on/through?
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[4:37] <syntax_erorr> well as for my problem I found a really short cable
[4:37] <syntax_erorr> and with my 5.3v charger are getting 4.8 volts now.
[4:38] <syntax_erorr> I just can't believe that all these chargers are so underrated from what is stamped on them.
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[4:38] <shirro> I am in the Tau club (hope the box isn't empty)
[4:38] <syntax_erorr> Wolfram74, did you try that ssh command?
[4:39] <Wolfram74> i've been presented with a password request, did the debian distribution come with a default password, cause i don't remember setting one
[4:39] <syntax_erorr> yes
[4:39] <syntax_erorr> it was raspberry
[4:39] <syntax_erorr> pi user name and raspberry as password
[4:39] <Wolfram74> huh, permission denied, please try again
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[4:40] <syntax_erorr> If you have an older image the password was different
[4:40] <Wolfram74> that's encouraging
[4:40] <syntax_erorr> which version of debian are you using? 6-19-04-2012?
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[4:40] <syntax_erorr> that is the most current and is listed on raspberrypi.org downloads page.
[4:41] <Limb> Wolfram74: Are you sure you typed 'ssh pi@ip.address' ?
[4:41] <Wolfram74> i was excited, i have the 6-17-02-2012 version
[4:41] <Wolfram74> yep
[4:43] <stev> Wolfram74: that is the older version. username/password is ......well I forgot.
[4:43] <Wolfram74> get the new distro or is the password still floating around
[4:43] <Wolfram74> i'll check the wiki
[4:43] <stev> Wolfram74: root/root ?
[4:44] <McGooch> capslock? ;)
[4:44] <syntax_erorr> maybe pi/pi
[4:44] <Wolfram74> root and pi don't work
[4:44] <McGooch> also make sure you put the p in raspberry and not just rasberry
[4:45] <stev> Wolfram74: try pi/suse
[4:45] <Wolfram74> suse did it
[4:46] <McGooch> What distro is that?
[4:46] <syntax_erorr> hjah can't be debian
[4:47] <stev> syntax_erorr: it's older version of debian
[4:47] <syntax_erorr> suse?
[4:47] <stev> syntax_erorr: 2012.02.17 probably...
[4:47] <syntax_erorr> just seems werid they would use suse as the password.
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[4:49] <syntax_erorr> wow suse costs money now? $50 a year.
[4:49] <Limb> Wolfram74: You're probably better off just reflashing the latest image from the RaspberryPi page
[4:49] <Wolfram74> k
[4:50] <syntax_erorr> Wolfram74, or try rasbmc or rasbian
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[5:02] <ReggieUK> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18419231
[5:07] <Limb> He really is selfish, I'll give him that. The man gets his way and that's it lol
[5:07] <ReggieUK> I only posted it because of the pi reference
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[5:14] <shirro> If it wasn't for Sinclair making budget computers we might never have heard of Linux Torvalds. His comment about them being cheap enough to risk giving them to kids who might not use them was spot on.
[5:14] <shirro> Linus even
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[5:16] <amelia_> Lest ye all forget, the kernel called Linux is merely one component of the GNU/Linux system :P
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[5:19] <shirro> amelia_: true. Though Linus is a good example of what the Pi can do. Uber hackers don't appear out of thin air. If Linus hadn't experienced a dodgy English computer in the 1980s he might have become an accountant or something.
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[5:23] <shirro> And I use an MIT/BSD/Apache/Artistic/GNU/Other/Linux system. Or as I prefer to call it: OpenSource/Linux :-)
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[5:26] <syntax_erorr> None of my usb chargers seem to supply enough voltage....what is everyone using to power their pi?
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[5:28] <amelia_> shigawire: how is Linus an example of what the Pi can do? :/ and also, 'open source' != free software... so can mean very little, depending how the source is licenced
[5:29] <shigawire> amelia_: Errr, are you confusing me with shirro?
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[5:29] <stev> syntax_erorr: something like this http://pic.pimg.tw/peacelife8868/1316417053-853804557.jpg
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[5:30] <syntax_erorr> I have an HP 5.3v 2a and it is only getting me 4.8 at tp1 and 2
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[5:30] <syntax_erorr> a HTC 1a, and an ipad 2a, and a usb3 port all only give 4.6 to 4.8
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[5:31] <amelia_> shigawire: apologies. shirro, read above :P
[5:32] <amelia_> syntax_erorr: I use the PSU I got from RS as it made sense to get one at the time.. also have used a MicroUSB cable with a Mu adapter
[5:33] <syntax_erorr> amelia_, is it a wall wart type PSU?
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[5:33] <shigawire> Independant of anything else, Linux and GNU being free changed the way I used computers, and being a teenager meant that I had to push them as hard as possible. Having a totally free system with limited resources for cheap I think is really useful for people who have the desire to hack on stuff anyway to do it in a different way
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[5:34] <shigawire> My only dissapointment with rpi is the closed parts. I'm not complaining, I understand why, but I want to poke those bits too :)
[5:34] <amelia_> syntax_erorr: what do you mean by wall wart type PSU?
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[5:35] <shirro> amelia_: The Pi has some limitations. Limitations create innovation. Add in a price where you afford to fail and it has a lot of potential. With having to work around the problems of a Sinclair QL, Linus might not have gone on to develop an OS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVTWCPoUt8w&t=9m13s
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[5:35] <syntax_erorr> you know...is it a brick you plug into an outlet then a usb cable into it? Or is it more of a dedicated 5v with jsut a positive and negitave lead
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[5:36] <amelia_> syntax_erorr: one is a plug/transformer with attached microusb cable, the other is simply a USB adapter which is 1A rated and takes whatever I need to plug into it USB-wise
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[5:42] <syntax_erorr> Its just really annoying that a device claims it is 5.3v and 2a and apparently can't power a 700ma device. Now I don't know what to buy
[5:43] <stev> syntax_erorr: strange. why ?
[5:44] <amelia_> overcurrent perhaps? And the RPi can handle 4.75 - 5.25v, but can have PSU issues at the outer edges of that.. hold on
[5:44] <syntax_erorr> none of my usb chargers supply enough voltage. I've tried an HP tablet 5.3v, 2a. A HTC 5v,1a. And a ipad 5v,2a. Also a usb3 port
[5:44] <amelia_> http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#How_Can_I_tell_if_the_power_supply_is_inadequate.3F
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[5:44] <syntax_erorr> the HP tablet charger was the best normally at 4.8. But under load would drop to 4.6
[5:45] <syntax_erorr> I already determined that none of my chargers are supplying enough voltage.
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[5:47] <adamaze> anyone have a link to an openelec .img file for the raspberry pi? the wiki just seems to have a way to build it yourself
[5:47] <syntax_erorr> I don't really want to spend 50 on a stand alone 5v supply either. But I don't wanna waste 16 on an other wall wart.
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[5:50] <Decepshun> syntax_erorr: go to equipment surplus places...you can prolly pick up a good variable PSU for cheap :P
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[5:51] <syntax_erorr> Decepshun, yeah I'll have to see if their are any around here.
[5:52] <amelia_> syntax_erorr: get on Amazon / eBay. You'll get a decent MicroUSB charger or cell/mobile phone charger for very little
[5:52] <syntax_erorr> amelia_, thats the thing I have already tried 4 of those.
[5:52] <Decepshun> is there an approved power supply list like there is with the SD cards?
[5:52] <syntax_erorr> including ones that say they are rated at over twice the amp load.
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[5:53] <Decepshun> shame the rpi is so twitchy
[5:53] <syntax_erorr> I'm about to go buy a freaking 5v battery
[5:53] <Decepshun> I might invest in a high quality 5v power supply for permanent use
[5:54] <neofutur> the rs adapter seems pretty good
[5:54] <syntax_erorr> I"ll have to look at their site.
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[5:55] <amelia_> syntax_erorr: more current doesn't mean it'll work. Overcurrent can screw things up anyway
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[5:55] <Decepshun> the rpi will only draw what it needs
[5:56] <syntax_erorr> yeah..but voltage will drop if the supply can't do the current
[5:56] <Decepshun> even if you have a 10am supply...it will only consume 2watts or w/e it needs
[5:56] <amelia_> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/external-power-supplies/7263069/
[5:56] <amelia_> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/external-power-supplies/7263053/
[5:56] <syntax_erorr> which is what I'm thinking is happening. I need to find an old usb cable so I can cut it up and measure the amp load
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[7:34] <chbg> AFAIK, I wrote the ArchLinux image to my 32GB Class 10 Sony SDHC successfully. However, it takes an awful long time to boot up. It takes 5 - 10 minutes for it to get past the "Mounting Boot Read-Only" stage, then stalls out on "Starting Network."
[7:34] <chbg> Any pointers?
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[7:40] <neofutur> chbg: ntpd is hanging for minutes if there is no network
[7:41] <neofutur> if you are not on the network, try removing the ntpd from boot and set the date manually
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[7:42] <rm> remove ntpd, install 'ntpdate' and run it when needed
[7:42] <rm> add to /etc/crontab to run @restart and periodically
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[7:43] <rm> => some RAM saved due to no ntpd running constantly
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[7:43] <chbg> rm: Thank you. Implementing your instructions right now. I'll be back shortly to give an update. I appreciate it.
[7:43] <chbg> neofutur: Thank you for chiming in!
[7:44] <chbg> Thought I was alone in here.
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[7:46] <rm> regarding crontab, it's @reboot, not @restart, and I am not sure of the precise syntax
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[7:46] <rm> so I'd just add it to /etc/rc.local, and use the crontab only for periodic execution (e.g. every 4 hours)
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[8:00] <Milos> Does the raspberry pi not initialise the HDMI link unless something is plugged in?
[8:00] <Milos> I have a headless box and when it plug it in I don't get output until I reboot.
[8:01] <Milos> I think I saw a setting that I can put in config.txt.
[8:01] <Milos> That defaults to HDMI or something.
[8:01] <Xark> Milos: I believe that is correct. There is a cmdline.txt setting to change this if you like (i.e., force HDMI).
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[8:01] <Milos> Xark, that doesn't actually use any power though right?
[8:01] <Xark> Right, config.txt... :)
[8:01] <neofutur> Milos: you can force the dhmi
[8:01] <neofutur> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_configuration
[8:01] <Milos> Yarp.
[8:01] <Xark> Milos: Not that I am aware of.
[8:01] <neofutur> hdmi_force_hotplug=1 Use HDMI mode even if no HDMI monitor is detected
[8:01] <Milos> Woot woot.
[8:01] <Milos> Thanks!
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[8:11] <Milos> Works like a charm, thanks guys.
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[8:41] <gordonDrogon> 'morning chaps, chapesses, penguins, etc.
[8:41] <Milos> :O
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[8:47] <Gadget-Work> Lo gordonDrogon
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[9:05] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. Someone on twitter sugesting to install get_iplayer and 'at' to build a Pi powered PVR :)
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[9:06] <gordonDrogon> spot of breakfast time now.
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[9:21] <zgreg> sigh. why is github's interface so retarded?
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[9:23] <jzu> maybe because you didn't write it?
[9:23] <jzu> I can cope with github's interface :-)
[9:24] <zgreg> I can *cope* with it as well, but it's not a very efficient interface
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[9:26] <zgreg> also, at the moment it's just broken here - I can't create a pull request. internal server error.
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[9:31] <frankivo> Amsterdam - Netherlands, Arrived at DHL facility
[9:31] <frankivo> \o
[9:33] <friggle> neat, didn't realise adafruit's case was cc-by-sa and public http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:24461
[9:33] <friggle> anyone tried it out, can comment on the durability of the snap together mechanism?
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[9:33] <zgreg> now the page loaded. but it won't le me specify the repository I want to pull into...
[9:33] <Habbie> zgreg, (a) can you please watch your language in here? (b) can you be slightly more precise than this?
[9:36] <friggle> zgreg: presumably the issue is bootc is forked from torvalds linux, not raspberrypi linux so they have no common lineage?
[9:36] <friggle> (obviously in reality they do, but as far as github is concerned...)
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[9:37] <zgreg> friggle: yes
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[9:38] <zgreg> friggle: actually, I imported bootc's branch into my repository, but it looks like github can't handle that
[9:39] <zgreg> so they do have a common lineage, but github is just not good enough to notice that
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[9:42] <freezer> hi
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[9:50] <gordonDrogon> learning more about the Arduino IDE than I thought I ever would...
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[9:53] <Viperfang> gordonDrogon: :D
[9:53] <Viperfang> freezer: hello to you too :)
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[9:56] <gordonDrogon> Need to take some nice photos of the project I'm doing. Not sur my mobile phone is up to it...
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> My old digital camera is a Nokon CP5000 - a massive 5MP camera!
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> It was fantastic all those years ago when I got it, but now ...
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[10:00] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, is learning about arduinoIDE good or bad though ;)
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> http://drogon.net/scuba/sharm/large/dscn4494.jpg
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, no, not at all - but I'm having to edit its config files - and write a guide for others...
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[10:01] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, sounds intriguing
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[10:02] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, I just like documenting my work - you never know.
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[10:03] <gordonDrogon> and just when I thought I'd got it all sorted, I go and change the goalposts by moving from serial to ISP programming on the ATmega :)
[10:03] <Gadget-Work> It's a good move imho
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[10:13] * Gadgetoid doesn't know the difference between serial and ISP programming
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, it's certianly removed all the hassles of getting a bootloader in the ATmegas in the first place - especially as my board is running at 12MHz, so it needs to be a semi-custom bootloader.
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[10:14] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, serial needs a program already running in the ATmega to take the data and write it to flash, ISP lets the ATmega program its own flash directly without any bootloader being present.
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> you need to use ISP method to get the bootloader into the chip in the first place.
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> ISP is also a serial interface, but it needs an external clock, so uses 3 wires rather than the 2 of the rs232 port. (plus the reset pin)
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: seems counterintuitive that you'd ever use a bootloader...
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[10:15] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ISP "programmers" cost more...
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> But I guess programming via ISP is more complex in a normal arduino setup
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: ha, yes.. but only because they've been pegged as a low level, pro-only product
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> and in some cases, boards are designed without the pins needed for ISP programming brought out...
[10:16] <Dagger2> you can get AVR ISP programmers pretty cheaply
[10:16] <Dagger2> e.g. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/230762022712
[10:16] <Gadgetoid> pre-fabbed arduinos are just weird imo??? lack of flexibility, lack of education
[10:16] <Gadgetoid> Dagger2: if you've got a Pi, you've already got an ISP programmer apparently :D
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, sure, but no need to when the Pi has the hardware required on-board. Just hook up 4 wires :)
[10:17] <bootc> friggle / zgreg: I think the problem stems from raspberrypi/linux not being forked from torvalds/linux either
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[10:17] <Gadgetoid> Ooo, lookie here: http://instagr.am/p/Lzo3aqNLAd/
[10:17] <Dagger2> fair enough, but you were complaining about cost :p
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, that's a neat 'experimenters' board hes put together.
[10:18] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: That's his photo of my board :)
[10:18] <Habbie> farnell indicates 64 days to order a pi
[10:19] <Gadgetoid> Although I've since removed the diodes from the TX/RX lines as they prevent me from programming, back to the drawing board with that
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, oh, it's your board! very neat!
[10:19] <Gadgetoid> And the dip switch to bring in USB power is a massive kludge
[10:20] <Gadgetoid> I plan to figure out how to make an auto switching power supply, so it'll favour USB and cut out the battery??? if I can figure it out and fit it on the breadboard
[10:20] <Gadgetoid> Also the shift registers aren't hooked up yet- they'll be used to interface with the display and save a whole bunch of pins on the ATMega
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[10:25] <Xark> Gadgetoid: Why did you add the diodes?
[10:26] <Gadgetoid> Xark: I was having weirdness with power leaking back from the ATMega into the breakout using some sort of voodoo magic, just wanted to protect it
[10:27] <Gadgetoid> Or, I think it was the breakout leaking power through the ATMega and back into itself even when its 3v3 and GND rails were cut off??? something was happening that probably shouldn't be anyway
[10:27] <Xark> Gadgetoid: I see. I haven't worried about my rx/tx on a very similar breadboard, so I was curious. I have been using rx to read a PS/2 keyboard (with XCK as external clock).
[10:27] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, so you're basically developing an arduino that plugs into a Pi with a fully integrated IDE ?
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[10:27] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Work: damn, how awesome would that be!
[10:28] <Gadgetoid> Xark: yeah, I'm probably being overcautious
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[10:28] <Xark> Gadgetoid: Here is my messy board (with also a Hackvision, Teensy++2.0 and Seeeduino stealing the limelight from the 328 that is actually running). http://imgur.com/a/clIyn
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[10:29] <Yam_> Hi all i've had no luck on the forums but i'm wanting to ask someone to try something pretty basic with the dabian release
[10:30] <Habbie> just ask, Yam_
[10:30] <Gadgetoid> Nice Xark!
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[10:30] <Yam_> ok i found xstart extremely slow, slower than i would have expected
[10:30] <Yam_> So I decided to do a little digging
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[10:31] <Xark> Gadgetoid: Thanks. :) Still tweaking the software, now the display looks like this (with sampled sound playing) -> http://imgur.com/ARyVk
[10:31] <Yam_> then I found that in halting the system it halts gdm
[10:31] <Yam_> so I decided to stat it under $ sudo gdm
[10:32] <Yam_> It gave me a very similat but slightly different x window system
[10:32] <Yam_> which runs much faster and now runs as default
[10:32] <Yam_> it is not the same as $ sudo startx
[10:32] <Yam_> can someone else just try it please
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[10:33] <Gadgetoid> Xark: I'm slowly working my way up to more interesting things, I think cashflow will fast become the limiting factor
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, it's not an arduino, but it has an ATmega on-board.
[10:34] <Xark> Gadgetoid: Yeah, parts do add up. You save a fair bit breadboarding though (vs $35 on an official board).
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, and the IDE is the standard Arduino IDE - personally I use makefiles, but people used to the arudino will probably be using the IDE.
[10:35] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, ok. Sorry, made the mistake that most do when they see ATMeag ;)
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, sadly, the board isn't pin compatable with shields, but that was never really its aim.
[10:35] <Yam_> is nobody willing to type $ sudo gdm into there raspberry
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, it's a sort of general purpose experimentors board thing.
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> Yam_, sorry, no - don't need it - I even removed gdm from my systems.
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> Yam_, when you say it's slow, how slow? It takes about 5-10 seconds for X to be ready on my Pi...
[10:37] <Gadgetoid> Shields are bad for your health
[10:37] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, great. Any more details available ?
[10:37] <Yam_> it was 5-10 secs to start
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, soon :) Maybe by this weekend.
[10:37] <Gadget-Work> Okay.
[10:37] <Gadgetoid> Shut up and take my money :D
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[10:37] <gordonDrogon> I'm not selling anything!
[10:37] <Yam_> start has shortened a little bit but its more that the menus act much faster now and programs take 1/2 time to load
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> Wish I was, but hey...
[10:38] <Gadget-Work> Happy to test stuff out. Be a nice distraction from my tinkering with atmega1284p's
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> Yam_, sure it's not just because you're starting it again, everything is cached?
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[10:38] <Yam_> pretty sure
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> Yam_, well a 5-10 second startup time seems normal...
[10:39] <Yam_> got something of a linux expert in the house hes a bit baffled but agrees its running faster
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> I'd be baffled too as running gdm just uses a bit more memory...
[10:40] <Yam_> but thats the thing it still loads the light desktop
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[10:40] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, what are you using the 1284's for?
[10:40] <Yam_> I was expercting it to load gnome
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> Yam_, Hahaha... lol, etc. :)
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> (sorry)
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[10:41] <Xark> Yam_: Placebo effect?
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> Pi really don't have enough memory or resources for Gnome.
[10:41] <Yam_> just try it and call me a fool
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> lxde or xfce4 is about it...
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> I'm running xfce4 under the Raspbian release.
[10:41] <Yam_> I'm aware how stupid this sounds and really wouldnt say it if i thought something hadnt changed
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[10:42] <gordonDrogon> it's really not the platform to run those bigger window mangers.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> so lxde as a launchpad for one, maybe 2 applications and that's about it.
[10:42] <mythos> Yam_, you could do some benchmarks (like gtkperf(?))
[10:42] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, ethernet connected arduino clone
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, ah ok. sounds intersting. I alaways though ethernet on an arduino was a bit overkill. I've been using the xrf/urf modules recnently - only serial at 9600 baud though!
[10:43] <Yam_> fine
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[10:44] <mythos> Yam_, and you could compare the running services
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> Yam_, memory is more the limitation right now - although the lines of Gnome will use acelleratred hardware which X can't use right now.
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> so even with memory, it'll still be somewhat slow.
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[10:45] <Veryevil> Hey, does anyone know what happend to teh_orph and his x driver?
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> I'd love to get some paid work locally programming microcontrollers. It's basically what I started out doing some 30 years ago, but back then we were making our own ...
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[10:48] <Yam_> gtkperf not found
[10:48] <Yam_> ive got no internet access on my pi at the moment
[10:49] <mythos> Yam_, and compare memory-usage. if it is much bigger, it is an indication that something is precached. for instance if the icons are cached, it would seem, that everthing starts and reacts much faster... search for things like that
[10:49] <Yam_> running sudo gdm uses a massive 42 mb ram :P
[10:50] <Yam_> appologies 45mb
[10:50] <Yam_> its the cpu usage that really changes
[10:51] <Yam_> it no longer maxes out the cpu for 5-8 secs when loading a program
[10:51] <mythos> as far as i know: sdcard access does need cpu too
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[10:52] <Yam_> it does take longer to start however
[10:52] <Yam_> 15 secs and theres a login screen
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[10:53] <Yam_> why is everyone so reluctant to type 1 command line?
[10:53] <mythos> Yam_, maybe because gdm uses much more gtk-specific sharedlibs, your application does profit from it. that would be another caching effect
[10:53] <Tachyon`> because they've been spoiled by dinosaur microsoft operating systems
[10:54] <mythos> Yam_, my pi is headless, so i cannot test it ;)
[10:54] <Yam_> its not application dependent the whole thing runs faster!
[10:55] <Yam_> ive used everysingle major GUI oout there accross 15 years
[10:55] <Yam_> (the worst easily being mac os9)
[10:55] <Yam_> starting at GEM
[10:55] <Yam_> GEM is faster than the default startx
[10:55] <Tachyon`> GEM usually lives in ROM so would be
[10:56] <Tachyon`> assuming you refer to the Atari ST variant
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[10:57] <Yam_> the GEM i used was on Amstrad dos
[10:58] <Yam_> ok im doing more testing
[10:58] <Yam_> running sudo startx is faster
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[10:59] <Yam_> is sudo needed to start the chasing?
[10:59] <Yam_> caching*
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[10:59] <mythos> sudo := super user do (afaik)
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[11:00] <Habbie> mythos, su = substitute user
[11:00] <Yam_> im aware of what sudo does
[11:01] <mythos> Habbie, does not su stand for switch user? ;)
[11:01] <Habbie> it does not
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[11:01] <Habbie> it stands for substitute user
[11:01] <frankivo> default user is root
[11:01] <frankivo> but -u can switch to other users :P
[11:01] <Yam_> I actually dont like the system i prefered the old root user methode
[11:02] <mythos> Yam_, you cannot start x without root-privileges. so sudo is maybe required (regarding your setup)
[11:02] <Yam_> I'm a bit baffled why a root user still has to use sudo
[11:03] <mythos> Yam_, you don't need sudo, if you are already root
[11:03] <frankivo> what mythos says :)
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[11:03] <Yam_> ive not looked into it enough and in all honesty i cant be bothered anymore i think someones suggestion on the forum was correct that starting it in superuser changed something
[11:03] <Habbie> startx does not require root
[11:04] <Habbie> and should in fact NEVER be done as root
[11:04] <Habbie> gdm probably needs root, though
[11:04] <Yam_> ok mythos try and change the /boot/config file under the default user without it
[11:04] <Yam_> is Pi the root user?
[11:04] <Habbie> pi is not the root user
[11:04] <mythos> Yam_, i did that many times with root
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[11:06] <Yam_> ok i can see where im being a fool
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[11:06] <Yam_> i stupidly asumed the user pi was root
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[11:06] <Yam_> apparently not
[11:06] <Yam_> so what is?
[11:06] <Habbie> it's just a user
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[11:07] <Yam_> whats the password?
[11:07] <Dagger2> the root user is "root"
[11:07] <Habbie> Yam_, raspberry
[11:07] <Dagger2> not sure what the default password is, but just get a root shell with `sudo -i`
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[11:10] <Yam_> ok im the fool but now i know why and I feel better!
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[11:10] <Yam_> cheers guys
[11:11] <Draylor> just sudo passwd & set it
[11:11] <Yam_> is there anywhere I can catch up on 8 years of debian changes?
[11:11] <itsjareds> hey guys, I just finished writing the archlinux image onto my SD card and tried booting the pi, but nothing's booting up. This is my first time using it, could the card be the issue?
[11:11] <frankivo> its debian, not a lot has changed :+
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[11:12] <neofutur> zgreg: try to ask on #github ?
[11:12] <neofutur> many helpful people there
[11:14] <Aldasa> itsjareds: try a different card. or power supply. I would try the card first
[11:14] <stev> itsjareds: I tried arch linux image once and couldn't boot.
[11:15] <Yam_> If the card works in the pc i'd check the power supply
[11:15] <mythos> Habbie, that X does not run as root, would be new to me
[11:15] <Yam_> I was shocked at the quality of the powered hub I tried to use
[11:15] <itsjareds> yeah, the card works on the PC fine. the power supply is a cell phone USB cable that plugs into a wall charger.
[11:16] <Aldasa> not necesserally. the pi is very pickey when it comes to sd cards
[11:16] <Yam_> it was delivering 100milliamps under load :(
[11:16] <Habbie> mythos, the X binary runs as root; but running startx as root is a mistake
[11:16] <mythos> Habbie, ok, that can be true
[11:17] <Aldasa> to get the pi to boot of my sandisk class6, i need to put it in the freezer
[11:17] <Aldasa> no joke
[11:17] <reider59> The only time I used startx as root was to move some files to the boot fold in the root section.
[11:17] <mythos> so... i have to go to work... bye
[11:17] <Yam_> ok if youve got a cellphone charger i agree try a different sd card
[11:17] <reider59> *folder
[11:17] <freezer> Aldasa, i will put you somewhere ...
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[11:18] <Aldasa> :/
[11:18] <Yam_> bye all
[11:18] <Yam_> thanks for helping me work through my issues lol
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[11:19] <itsjareds> Aldasa: the phone charger says the output is 5.1V at 0.7A, should that be fine?
[11:19] <Aldasa> perfect. same as mine
[11:20] <Aldasa> try a different sd card
[11:20] <itsjareds> http://www.walmart.com/ip/SanDisk-16GB-SDHC-Memory-Card/11090206
[11:20] <itsjareds> I guess I"ll have to buy another :s
[11:20] <itsjareds> that's the one I used
[11:20] <itsjareds> 8GB, though.
[11:21] <itsjareds> couldn't find it listed on the site
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[11:21] <Aldasa> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
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[11:23] <stev> itsjareds: check if your card listed in the http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[11:23] <reider59> For users in the UK I was in Maplins having a browse yesterday. I noticed some 4 gig class four SD Cards for ??3.95 and some 16 gig SD Cards for a tenner. Not the cheapest in the world but considering they are High Street prices, no waiting, no postage I don`t think that's three bad ;-)
[11:23] <reider59> Can`t recall the make but a Google on Maplins should tell you
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[11:24] <itsjareds> Aldasa: stev: thanks, I took a look at that but it wasn't listed. I guess I'll add my SD card to the doesn't boot list if I get another card to work.
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[11:27] <stev> itsjareds: will you try debian image?
[11:27] <itsjareds> stev: I can do that, sure. would it raise my chances of having it work?
[11:27] <stev> itsjareds: i can boot debian, can't boot arch linux.
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[11:28] <itsjareds> stev: ah okay. debian will be fine too.
[11:29] <itsjareds> I'm just more comfortable with arch
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[11:31] <stev> itsjareds: well, try it to see where the problem is.
[11:34] <Scepterr> PNY/Polaroid 32GB C10 microsd i got from newegg for $20 is working great
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[11:49] <itsjareds> stev: awesome, the debian image works! This is fun. Thanks for your help.
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> coffee time...
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[12:02] <steveccc> reider59: there are some 32gb cards on amazon for 15 ish quid
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[12:03] <reider59> true, I knew that, what I`m saying is "as High Street Prices go" that isn`t bad. the kind of while you`r epassing, mmm ??4 for 4 gig, not bad, might as well have one.
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[12:04] <steveccc> reider59: oh i agree - just thought that may as have 32gb for a small difference in price
[12:05] <steveccc> i would love to try a 64 and 128gb card if it didnt mean spending lots of money on the basis they may not work
[12:05] <reider59> Very often I use th enet and wait for delivery but if I need something there and then the prices are not bad for high Street
[12:05] * dwatkins wonders what the price/capacity sweet spot is for SD cards at the moment
[12:06] <dwatkins> I should look this up as well as comparing buying a MicroSD card and adapter, but it'll take a while to compare them all, especially comparing different marketplaces such as play.com and amazon.com
[12:08] <reider59> I got a 16 gig from the net a week or so back, it went belly up (hope saying that doesn`t contravene some arcane rule in 20 mins time). Unfortunately some of the plastic was missing from its casing too but I prised it apart to get a look at it, so no sending it back. Was only ??7 though. I got a 4 gig one from a different supplier, same make as the 16 gig and it's working perfectly. both were in sealed packs.
[12:09] <steveccc> dwatkins: i think its a matter of supply - I think the sweet spot is 32gb but it may be 64 gig but supply seems limited where i have looked
[12:09] <dwatkins> I guess it depends on the applications you'll be running as to how much capacity you need on the SD card, and whether you can just use external storage of one type or another, too.
[12:10] <steveccc> dwatkins: I agree - I could plugin an external laptop disk but I didnt like the idea of having it running constantly and hence I wanted to keep it all on the sd card and then plugin the hard disk to backup data when required
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[12:33] <steveccc> is anyone using dyndns to point to their pi?
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[12:36] <Milos> nah but I could
[12:36] <megaproxy> nah.
[12:36] <Milos> I just get it to txt me the IP
[12:36] <megaproxy> my IP is pretty much static
[12:37] * megaproxy just points bedserv.com to home
[12:37] <Milos> boot PI -> 3G connect -> txt IP -> tada
[12:38] <megaproxy> im redoing my lego case.
[12:38] <megaproxy> so its uniform colour
[12:38] <Gabrial|Laptop> Anyone have any idea why the Pi might be having streaming issues with the Hulu Plugin? There doesn't seem to be a bandwidth issue in the network, and I'm not sure of any way to see if it's being bottlenecked at the Pi or not.
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[12:43] <ping-> nc -v miku.acm.uiuc.edu 23
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[12:45] <Gabrial|Laptop> I'm not falling for that one .-.
[12:45] <Gabrial|Laptop> lol
[12:45] <ping-> lol
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[12:46] <ping-> its just a cat
[12:46] <ping-> netcat
[12:46] <ping-> :P
[12:47] <Gabrial|Laptop> I know what it is... lol
[12:47] <ping-> lol
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[12:48] <ping-> its like those making telnet starwars or whatever
[12:48] <ping-> people have too much free time
[12:48] <ping-> :P
[12:48] <Gabrial|Laptop> The only thing that makes me sad about the starwars is no telenet sound .-.
[12:48] <ping-> haha
[12:49] <[deXter]> It's nyancat, not netcat .:P
[12:49] <freezer> haha
[12:49] <ping-> nc..could be netcat..could be nyancat
[12:49] <ping-> :P
[12:49] <ping-> nyetcat
[12:49] <[deXter]> Funny you should mention it now.. I've been spamming that nyancat telnet all day today
[12:49] <ping-> hahaha
[12:49] <ping-> nice
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[12:50] <Gabrial|Laptop> Apparently my Pi thinks that it is wed Dec 31 1969
[12:50] <Gabrial|Laptop> lol
[12:51] <Habbie> what timezone? :)
[12:51] <Gabrial|Laptop> GMT-8
[12:51] <ReggieUK> you mean it isn't 1969?
[12:51] <ReggieUK> zomg
[12:51] <Gabrial|Laptop> so 4PM
[12:51] <Gabrial|Laptop> lol
[12:51] <Habbie> Gabrial|Laptop, sounds like you already know why it thinks this ;)
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[12:51] <Gabrial|Laptop> because for some reason it's not autoupdating the time .-.
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[12:53] <ping-> i had that problem too in the beginning
[12:53] <ping-> but found out it was my servers firewall/nat rules that were messed up and blocking ntp packets from inside my lan to outside world
[12:53] <ping-> duh
[12:54] <friggle> ping-: what sd card image are you using?
[12:54] <Gabrial|Laptop> I'm not sure WHY it's not updating though, it could be a distro bug, or something could of change on my network that I didn't know about... and of course my Pi refuses to properly reboot
[12:54] <ping-> i use raspbmc beta, and raspbmc rc2, and the debian 19-04 thing from raspberrypi.org
[12:54] <friggle> worst case you should get the time the image was generated rather than 1969
[12:54] <Habbie> friggle, why do you think the image should do that?
[12:55] <ping-> ntp worked fine when i used my local server as timesource
[12:55] <friggle> Habbie: the wheezy images use fake-hwclock and read a saved time from the rootfs. The squeeze image gets the last known good time from /var/log/messages
[12:55] <Habbie> ok
[12:55] <ping-> after i changed ntp.conf to point to that it worked..but not outside sources, until i found a bug in my firewall :)
[12:55] <ping-> lol
[12:55] <Habbie> i'm having trouble seeing the point
[12:56] <Habbie> time that is off by two days is no better than time that is clearly unset
[12:56] <ping-> -> .
[12:56] <ping-> theres a point
[12:56] <ping-> :P
[12:56] <ping-> ... :P
[12:56] <friggle> Habbie: I'm not saying it's particularly useful, just the behaviour I expect
[12:56] <Habbie> ok :)
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[12:56] <friggle> Habbie: and I think it's a little better than having time 1969. Probably time should update by parsing time from a HTTP HEAD response if ntp seems to be firewalled
[12:57] <Gabrial|Laptop> Apparently pining my Pi to see when it's up so I could ssh into it, stopped the Pi from retrieving ntp info
[12:57] <Gabrial|Laptop> lol
[12:57] <Habbie> friggle, yes, HTP would be a great fallback
[12:57] <Gabrial|Laptop> Viral Time! >.>
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[12:58] <Gabrial|Laptop> If all else fails it'll infect a network computer to retrieve the time from that computer and update itself -nods-
[12:58] <Gabrial|Laptop> xD
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[12:58] <megaproxy> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bluenext-BN903S-Channels-GPS-Dongle/dp/B003Q6KZOQ/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt
[12:58] <megaproxy> what are the chances of this working with pi?
[12:58] <Gabrial|Laptop> I don't think a lot of people would be too happy with that though...
[12:59] <Gabrial|Laptop> There's a chance it could work, but last I checked there was no decent linux based GPS mapping software type stuff
[12:59] <megaproxy> i would be happy with it logging coords
[12:59] <megaproxy> then overlaying that on a map later
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[13:01] <Gabrial|Laptop> I wonder how small you could keep the pi+ peripherals yet turn it into a GPS/3G Audo Visual Recording bug type thing....
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[13:03] <megaproxy> i kinda want to send mine to space.
[13:03] <Gabrial|Laptop> Hook it up under the seat of a car or something and it'd report via 3G/4G it's GPS location while doing something like Voip Streaming of audio from a USB mic, or ditching the 3G/4G bit have it all save to a USB drive you could yank later.
[13:03] <megaproxy> or just strap it to helium balloon and see where it goes.
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[13:04] <Gabrial|Laptop> You could do one of those hook it to a weather balloon w/e type deals that people do with their phones and cameras, first pi in "space"
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[13:06] <Gabrial|Laptop> Could you imagine if somehow one of those projects got into like a low orbit.... just lose an iPhone or something outside the atmosphere? xD
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[13:11] <[deXter]> ping-, (wget http://qr.net/nyan -qO - | mplayer -really-quiet -cache 512 -) & telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu
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[13:11] <[deXter]> Now with stereo sound!
[13:11] <Gabrial|Laptop> lol
[13:11] <Gabrial|Laptop> nice
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[13:13] <Gabrial|Laptop> Now do the same for Starwars Telenet and i'll be really impressed :p
[13:14] <[deXter]> Challenge Accepted. :)
[13:14] <[deXter]> Well, it'll take a while for me to cut and sync the audio though...
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[13:15] <megaproxy> Gabrial|Laptop, thats one of the plans
[13:16] <megaproxy> i might also just tether it
[13:16] <megaproxy> so i dont loose it
[13:16] <megaproxy> and just send it up a km or so
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[13:16] <Gabrial|Laptop> Put it on the worlds longest tether and send it to the ISS >.>
[13:16] <Gabrial|Laptop> xD
[13:16] <megaproxy> haha
[13:17] <megaproxy> get them to put some spacefood in the cargo of it
[13:17] <chris_99> lol
[13:17] <megaproxy> and ill eat it
[13:17] <megaproxy> awwwyea
[13:17] <Gabrial|Laptop> -facedesks- It doesn't turn off with the telnet! xD
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[13:17] <[deXter]> That's a feature. ;)
[13:18] <Gabrial|Laptop> Uh huh
[13:18] <Gabrial|Laptop> that's what they all say :p
[13:19] <Gabrial|Laptop> That'd be a hilarious way to screw with people though.... give them ssh access to my Pi and have that run upon login xD
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[13:20] <[deXter]> haha
[13:21] <Gabrial|Laptop> Oh what's this....
[13:22] <Gabrial|Laptop> the song stopped before the cat did
[13:22] <Gabrial|Laptop> xD
[13:23] <[deXter]> yeah, you'll have to add -loop 0
[13:23] <[deXter]> for infinite looping :)
[13:24] <Gabrial|Laptop> There..... infinite looping added xD
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[13:27] <Gabrial|Laptop> I should see what it'd take to setup that Pi domination game I was thinking about.... this would be a great way to screw with people xD
[13:27] <[deXter]> nice
[13:28] <Gabrial|Laptop> "Wassat... you want to use nano or vi or something to edit this file? NyanCat telent script instead! xD
[13:28] <Gabrial|Laptop> telnet*
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[13:30] <Gabrial|Laptop> Hm.... -loop 0 didn't seem to actually loop
[13:31] <ping-> lol
[13:33] <Gabrial|Laptop> Hmm..... I need to get my USB/Network Share Script running, see if it actually works on openelec
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> Gabrial|Laptop, I'm sur someone posted a link here yesterday where the have a Pi with a battery pack, 3G modem, GPS doing data logging...
[13:35] <Gabrial|Laptop> Really? lol
[13:35] <nidO> [12:41] <+Milos> http://www.wut.co.nz/images/pi-gps.jpg
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> yes, that was it..
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> the big part is the battery...
[13:35] <Gabrial|Laptop> Nice.
[13:36] <Gabrial|Laptop> Well for any sort of life you're kind of expecting a big battery.
[13:36] <Milos> ya it was me
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[13:36] <nidO> thats a 16Ah battery apparently, so should run that whole setup for around 36 hours
[13:36] <Milos> yup!
[13:37] <Milos> and that's basically how long it does run it for :)
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[13:38] <Gabrial|Laptop> Hmm.... so it seems my Pi script for Network/USB switching isn't gonna work on OpenELEC
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[13:43] <Gabrial|Laptop> Apparently openelec doesn't have smbclient which is what my script idea depends on to see if my external hdd is hooked up to my Desktop and being shared. Then I was going to have it detect it through USB to so if the drive was directly plugged in, and have it mount to the same folders that way the Pi would see both network shares from the drive and directly connected as the same .-.
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[13:49] <Gabrial|Laptop> This sucks, I'm gonna have to invest in a replacement cord for my laptop .-.
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[13:51] <friggle> Gabrial|Laptop: or alternatively, contribute smbclient to openelec
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[13:56] <Gabrial|Laptop> Eh, I think smbclient doesn't exist in openelec to keep the bloat down.
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[14:14] <steveccc> does anyone know if its possible to set up remote desktop / vncserver so that it mirrors the remote desktop - ie the remote view is the same as the sit in front of it view
[14:15] <franta> steveccc, try using x0vncserver
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[14:16] <r00t|home> franta: for what i know, more recent X servers have vnc support integrated, as a module, making x0vncserver obsolete, one you configure X right
[14:16] <r00t|home> *once
[14:17] <dfex> anyone had issues with keyboard lag in Q3Arena?
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[14:18] <r00t|home> dfex: maybe 3d was not working right? framerate ok? the q3 engine has the issue that keyboard response is coupled to the frame rate, basically it responds to any keypress two frames later...
[14:19] <zgreg> neat, dom merged the SD improvements
[14:20] <ratherDashing> franta: x11vnc
[14:20] <dfex> it's weird - mouse look and firing works in synch, but i can hold a key down for 5-10 seconds before i move 1 step. 3D doesn't look as good as it could, either, so maybe that's it
[14:20] <dfex> i'm using pre-compiled hexxeh binaries, so I might just bite the bullet and roll my own
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[14:25] <friggle> zgreg: yep :)
[14:25] <WASDx> How many status LEDs does it have and what do they represent?
[14:26] <frankivo> PI IN THE BUILDING
[14:26] <frankivo> wee
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[14:40] <daysaver> how do you connect to the io pins? What kind of connection do I use?
[14:40] <ratherDashing> you can use an old ide plug, i think the pin seperation is pretty much the same
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[14:41] <IT_Sean> I would recommend a floppy cable, as some IDE plugs have a pin blocked off
[14:41] <ratherDashing> just don't copy that floppy
[14:42] <steveccc> if not you can get the plugs that you used to push onto the motherboard to connect hdd led and reset button etc and create your own
[14:42] <ReggieUK> they're 0.1" (2.54mm) PCB headers
[14:42] <daysaver> IDE plug, is that the one with the ribbon cable from old hard drives?
[14:43] <ReggieUK> male on the board
[14:43] <ReggieUK> so you want female
[14:43] <ReggieUK> 13x2 will do it
[14:43] <IT_Sean> daysaver: yes.
[14:43] <ratherDashing> yeah a female ribbon cable, you got what i'm talking about
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[14:43] <ratherDashing> but IT_Sean is right, there is a pin blocked off, so don't use that part, but i think there were more ide pins than gpio pins on the pi so yer fine
[14:43] <daysaver> cool thanks
[14:43] <ReggieUK> way more
[14:43] <ReggieUK> floppy cable would be better
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[14:44] <ReggieUK> as it's got less pins
[14:44] <IT_Sean> Floppy cable is probably the best cable to use
[14:44] <ratherDashing> yeah so use that, i didn't think of that
[14:44] <ReggieUK> or if you don't plan on using all of the io pins, get a pack of jumper leads
[14:45] <r00t|home> the cable with the matching pin count is the best to use... you realize you can buy those connetors in the size required?
[14:45] <IT_Sean> daysaver: what are you planning on doing w/ the GPIO>
[14:45] <IT_Sean> ?
[14:45] <ReggieUK> r00t|home of course but I doubt most people have a 13x2 cable at home
[14:45] <IT_Sean> r00t|home: yeah, but most people have a dusty old floppy cable lying around that they aren't using
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> daysaver, if you're in the UK, I can recommend one of these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> daysaver, or if you've already got the hardware, then that site sells the female to male jumper wires separately.
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[14:47] <daysaver> that's cool but I do arduino development so I have all most of those things
[14:47] <markllama> I've thought of one of those. I ordered a 2x5 IDC connector instead.
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> Using IDE cable is "hard" unless it's an old 40-wire one. The newer ones (of about 10 years) have 40 pins and 80 wires...
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[14:48] <daysaver> although ??14.50 is a bargin
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[14:48] <markllama> yeah. It's the shipping to .US that's a btch :-)
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> daysaver, yes. only a few p more for the bits individually too.
[14:48] <markllama> I used the Lego case design
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[14:48] <daysaver> and I like the look of the acrylic
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[14:50] <reider59> I think I may get one of those kits, thanks. Maplins had all the stuff in on my list for an experiment in MagPi except male/female jumper wires so I left it. this looks like it has all I want and more besides, in a good presentation with the cover. thanks again
[14:50] <reider59> *This
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> daysaver, e.g. http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi_sht15.jpg
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[14:52] <gordonDrogon> One down-side of the Red acrylic one is that the Green Ethernet LEDs are effectively invisible...
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> Not a big issue, however...
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[14:53] <nemo> gordonDrogon: oh. hey. I was curious about getting started on GPIO
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[14:53] <nemo> gordonDrogon: is it possible to just clip a couple of LEDs off some board I having lying around and hook them up to a couple of pins?
[14:54] <nemo> gordonDrogon: for the purposes of learning
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm old, but I can't see what's wrong with that name ....
[14:54] <nemo> was wondering if there'd be enough power
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> nemo you need 330 ohm resistors too - well anything from about 270 to 1K ohms will work.
[14:54] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: i just PM'd you
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> nemo more than enough.
[14:54] <nemo> IT_Sean: heh. seemed abstract enough to me, despite the abbreviation, but whatever. :)
[14:55] <nemo> gordonDrogon: m'k
[14:55] <nemo> gordonDrogon: welp, if I'm scavenging old boards, I guess I can hunt for a couple of those
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> nemo, http://unicorn.drogon.net/15leds.jpg
[14:55] <steveccc> does vncserver take much resources - wondering if it would be stupid to run x11vnc for access to the running console along with vncserver so that a session could be created into a virtual desktop
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> nemo, much easier and less error prone if you can get a starter kit...
[14:55] <nemo> gordonDrogon: pretty
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[14:56] <ratherDashing> x11vnc for the current session and forwarding X for a different session might be less resource intensive. vnc is kind of a hog
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[14:56] <andatche> heh, my current setup is a bit of a mess
[14:56] <andatche> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7103/7183257973_077a884245_b.jpg
[14:57] <ReggieUK> nah, looks fine
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[14:58] <andatche> I wish the postie would hurry up, waiting for some PICs from farnell
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[14:58] <gordonDrogon> andatche, is that a Pi inside a metal tin??
[14:58] <ReggieUK> I wish they'd left the gpio header unpopulated
[14:58] <nemo> andatche: whatcha makin' ?
[14:59] <steveccc> does anyone here use no-ip or dydns
[14:59] <ReggieUK> then we could've put female headers on
[14:59] <nemo> gordonDrogon: huh. looks more like cardboard to me?
[14:59] <ReggieUK> which is much more hookup wire freindly
[14:59] <andatche> gordonDrogon: nah, a case made from a bit of spare card
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[15:00] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, the big debate is male or female headers... female like Arduino means you have male pins floating about, ready to touch something they might not want to touch, but all breadboards are female and need male pins to fit in so it's a real catch-22...
[15:00] <andatche> nemo: environmental control/automation stuff, PICs are for wireless sensors
[15:00] <reider59> Ordered the kit on next day delivery, hate waiting. Thanks again for the info
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> I think they should have gone for female, however male means you can plug in ribbon cable - e.g. look at the photos of the Gertboard - it's a single ribbon cable that connects the 2 ...
[15:01] <ReggieUK> I say leave it unpopulated and let the user choose, default is male for those that don't know any better and the rest of us can make an informed choice
[15:02] <ReggieUK> like have stock of male header populated boards and some unpopulated
[15:02] <reider59> Any idea what sort of Arduino board I should go for? ie a Mega xxxx or something similar. I just want to try some circuits with the RPi and later use it to operate a robot arm and possibly a motorized trolley/cart
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[15:02] <gordonDrogon> reider59, wait for the Gertboard?
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> however that has ATmega 168 or 328's by the looks of it.
[15:03] <reider59> Ok, sounds a good idea, never thought of that
[15:03] <daysaver> Gertboard?
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[15:03] <gordonDrogon> however, an Uno is fairly cheap and easy to use.
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[15:03] <daysaver> Gertboard that looks cool
[15:03] <reider59> woo hoo! Sorry, just glad I finally got started down this road.
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> daysaver, Gertboard - one of the foundatio chaps has been owrking on it for some time AIUI - it's been mentioned on the forums for months now.. Gert is his name.
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[15:04] <ReggieUK> and boarding is his game
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[15:04] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> Actually, I think he was the one who did the PCB layout for the Pi, but ICBW ..
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[15:04] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, have you tried an ftdi usb to serial thing on the pi yet?
[15:05] <ReggieUK> I read in the forums that some people didn't think there were drivers for arm linux
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, Yes. It was connected to an Arduino 2009 though, but it worked perfectly.
[15:05] <ReggieUK> I thoght it would
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> and I did that nearly 1.5 months ago now...
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[15:05] <Gadget-Work> Gertboard is a 28pin atmega,
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> that's an older deminupmunble 2009 with an ftdi chip on-board.
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[15:06] <ReggieUK> duemilanove
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[15:06] <gordonDrogon> 2009...
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[15:08] <steveccc> does anyone know if its possible to start a local desktop with a pi via ssh - I was hoping not to have to leave a vnc server port visible on my firewall and hence I figured if I could ssh in remotely and then run the vncviewer from there rather than having inscure passwords going across the net
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[15:10] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, do you just want to run X apps, or the whole desktop remotely?
[15:10] <reider59> Not sure if it would help, but you can set the VNC server to start at boot instead of using SSH to set it going
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[15:10] <steveccc> gordondrogon: whole desktip really - I want to leave something like a browser open or a torrent client and be able to login to check on a download
[15:11] <steveccc> sorry desktop
[15:11] <buzzkill> steveccc: ssh port forwarding maybe? ssh -L12345:yourpi:yourvncport yourfw then run vncviewer localhost:12345
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, ok - no experience of that..
[15:13] <steveccc> buzzkill: ah thats nice - so you tell ssh to consider the local port 12345 to point to the vncserver port and then just run the vncviewer as if it was running locally and let it be translated - is that correct?
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> Hm. another power cut..
[15:13] <huene> alternatively, you could download and torrent from the commandline :)
[15:14] <buzzkill> yes
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[15:14] <steveccc> huene: i could but unfortunately I am looking for a solution which is operable by my wife which is a whole different challenge :)
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[15:14] <huene> lol ok :)
[15:14] <IT_Sean> Ah... it has to be wife-proof. Damn.
[15:15] <Viperfang> use a torrent client with a web interface?
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[15:15] <steveccc> buzzkill: does the vncserver take many resources if I ran x11vnc and also another vncserver
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[15:15] <huene> i was just thinking of that Viperfang - can't remember which one i've been using some years ago
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[15:15] <Viperfang> I think deluge does it
[15:15] <huene> but there's definitely some software, which is capable of that
[15:15] <buzzkill> steveccc: I have no idea.
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[15:16] <buzzkill> steveccc: I would presume you may run into some sharing issues and/or some artifact issues if you are running two separate vncserver-like tools on the same machine though.
[15:17] <steveccc> buzzkill: i suppose will have to try it - Just wanted to be able to use either view desktop option or a get remote desktop session
[15:18] <buzzkill> you can port forward either one.
[15:18] <markllama> You certainly can run a VNC session inside a login with no exposed ports. You should be able to port-forward the required ports through SSH to the vnc connction on localhost.
[15:18] <markllama> damn, scrollback .
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[15:20] <oldman> How do I ssh into raspbm? The raspberry password does not work. Could it be a firewall error.
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> oldman, if your promoted for a password, the firewall is ok.
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[15:21] <oldman> gordonDrogon: What is the password? Do ihave to root.
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[15:23] <gordonDrogon> oldman, I've no idea - don't use raspbm ...
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[15:24] <oldman> gordonDrogon: I meant Raspbmc
[15:24] <alexsdut1on> woo. mine has arrived \o/. Now to buy all the things I need so I can actually use it :D
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[15:25] <alexsdut1on> hub question: powered hub. USB from hub to RPi power. USB from RPi data to hub. Lots of things plugged into hub. Good idea?
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> alexsdut1on, if your hub will supply the juice, then it can be used to power the Pi.
[15:27] <alexsdut1on> I'm thinking possibly not, given the RPi take 700mA, which doesn't leave much room from the usual 1A adapters that power hubs
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> alexsdut1on, that's how I power one of mine. The hub has 2 connections to the Pi - one for power and one for the uplink.
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> alexsdut1on, I have a hub with a 2A PSU ..
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[15:29] <alexsdutton> gordonDrogon: ah, crafty. I should go hunting for such a thing
[15:31] <dfex> US source for GPIO header cable - $3.95 http://www.adafruit.com/products/862
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[15:32] <ratherDashing> alexsdutton: my hub at least is 2A
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[15:33] <stev> alexsdutton: congratulations.
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[15:34] <alexsdutton> gordonDrogon, ratherDashing: Ooh. http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004AVITWQ claims to be 3A
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[15:34] <alexsdutton> stev: thank you :)
[15:35] <ratherDashing> alexsdutton: that look good, do you know the chipset though, i do believe some chipsets are wonky with the pi
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[15:35] <_rp> i have that hub
[15:36] <_rp> you cant power the rpi from it tho
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[15:36] <dirty_d> is http://www.raspbian.org/ down for everyone else?
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> alexsdutton, looks like it might work, but who knows.
[15:36] <_rp> yup
[15:36] <alexsdutton> _rp: any idea why?
[15:36] <_rp> seems down
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> alexsdutton, I bought a LOGIK one from PC world...
[15:37] <dirty_d> damnit, right when i need it
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[15:37] <_rp> not sure really, the hubb pwoer light quickly got dim and went out
[15:37] <_rp> so i quickly unplugged them incase it was damaging something
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, the server is pingable, but not serving. probably crashed or something..
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[15:38] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, yea
[15:38] <stev> alexsdutton: check http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards to buy a working SD card for rpi
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[15:41] <zgreg> card compatibility should be much better now
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[15:42] <stev> zgreg: I see. Still better to buy a already-known-working card at first place.
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[15:42] <the_cuckoo> _rp: could you charge one of these from the router and then charge the pi from the battery? :) - http://www.themanwhohaseverything.co.uk/2011/golf-sports/portable-usb-charger-mobile-phones/
[15:43] <the_cuckoo> router/hub even
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[15:46] <alexsdutton> stev: thanks for making me check. the one on my list wasn't explicitly listed, so I've picked another :)
[15:46] * alexsdutton feels like a newb again \o/
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[15:55] <reider59> Not Pi related but just in case anyone here is from Manchester or knows the area.....does anyone know approx how far the Manchester Airport Rail station is from the aircraft viewing area? Not the multi storey car park, the new area near Concorde.
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[15:55] <IT_Sean> Google Earth would tell you that, via the Measure tool.
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> reider59, your in Manchester? Been to madlab ?
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[15:56] <reider59> ok thx, been tasked with the job of finding out for our Photographic Club, here in Warrington. A possible future Photography trip
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[15:57] <reider59> I`ve been to MC quite a few times but not been to madlab
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[15:58] <gordonDrogon> reider59, ok. just wondered - I was there at the start of May. Fantastic place.
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[16:01] <reider59> I love going to MC, its about 30 mins away on the train. I started first going to Salford, Edward Street to Spoton Computers, they were dirt cheap then. But when the expanded to three places it started going sour for them. Many more places like that are there though. I go to the Trafford centre and all around town, when I used to drink I even went to the Cultural part down Canal street ;-) lol. But 2 for one on the drinks wa
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[16:02] <reider59> oh and Bowlers, the computer Market was in MC too
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[16:03] <lee> I've been to a couple of them, but not for at least 4 years
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> oh to get good transport to the "big city" ...
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> here we have to drive...
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> so I could drive to Totnes (twinned with Narnia), and get the train to Exeter or Plymouth..
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> or drive to either, then try to park for a non-extortionate fee...
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> but driving != drinking
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> FYI: http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Twin-town-s-return-Narnia/story-15522236-detail/story.html
[16:06] <reider59> I don`t drive and the last 3 years at least I have walking and breathing problems. My family live 100 miles away so it's a case of taking any available transport. The only trouble is Salford is not an area any stranger should be walking in, but someone walking with a stick? You get in and out as fast as you can.
[16:07] <lee> or you upgrade to a walking sword
[16:08] <reider59> lol, thought about that
[16:09] <ratherDashing> just carry mace
[16:09] <Caver> taxi :)
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[16:10] <reider59> must tell you this, it was so funny. A group of us, all strangers were stood at the bus stop a day or so ago. A Boy and girl walked past, we judged them both to be about 7, the boy was heard to say "When she dies I get the house". well we all fell about, when I was a kid we were lucky to get a bike, this kid has his future mapped out and eyes on the property ladder.
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[16:12] <nemo> reider59: could just have recently gone through an inheritence like the death of a grandmother
[16:13] <reider59> could have, we all wondered if he was talking about his Mum
[16:13] <nemo> parents probably had to explain how it works
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> reider59, I suspect he'll be lucky to get the house these days...
[16:13] <nemo> "grandma gave the house to mom, why, etc..."
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> but then again, perhaps inheriting one is the only way now ...
[16:14] <ratherDashing> people can still buy, i bought recently
[16:14] <nemo> gordonDrogon: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/03/09/148218539/this-14-year-old-girl-just-bought-a-house-in-florida
[16:14] <reider59> true about getting/not getting it. either way I suspect it was the adult talking, not the child. Just repeating either what he`d been told or what he overheard
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[16:15] <Caver> how strange ... here you can't have a contract until your 16
[16:15] <nemo> Caver: was with assistance of mother
[16:15] <nemo> Caver: minors can do a lot of stuff w/ help of parents
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[16:15] <ratherDashing> Caver: in the US you can have a contract as long as it's also signed by your guardian
[16:15] <nemo> can also apply for emancipation of course
[16:15] <Caver> ah ok
[16:16] <Caver> best you can do here is get your parents to sign, it in "trust" for you when you turn 16/18/21
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> nemo, just one lucky kid...
[16:16] <Caver> I had a friend at school who managed to get a credit card
[16:16] <nemo> Caver: her mom paid half. "Willow wound up splitting the house with her mom. Willow plans to buy her mom out in the next few years, and put her name on the title when she turns 18."
[16:16] <nemo> gordonDrogon: who. willow?
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> nemo, yes. good set of circumstances.
[16:16] <Caver> lol ... he spent loads on it, then wrote to them and explained it was 15, and good luck
[16:16] <nemo> Caver: so. $6k paid by kid, $6k by mom
[16:16] <dirty_d> any of you use distcc?
[16:16] <nemo> gordonDrogon: well. also motivation. she earned the money herself
[16:17] <nemo> "One day, she went to a house that an investor wanted to flip. "It was filled with all kinds of stuff!" Willow says. "I was like, 'I can sell this stuff if he'd want to let me have it.' "
[16:17] <nemo> That was fine with the investor. So Willow sold the furniture and appliances from the house on Craigslist. She did the same thing with a bunch more houses. After a while, she was clearing about $500 a month, and saving a lot of it."
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> nemo, yes, that's what I mean - good set of circumstances - educated parents and a good sense of business.
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> and a lot of luck.
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[16:17] <nemo> fair. but still. her own individual. same circumstances, same luck, maybe different w/ someone else
[16:17] <nemo> didn't want to take away from her self-directed enterprise
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[16:18] <nemo> also interesting in that it is the next generation growing up in the collapse
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> right. lunchtime (late). I have mutton today....
[16:19] <Caver> meh I grew up in the 80's and lived
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[16:19] <nemo> Caver: I just mean she's building a career off of, well, collapse of other people's lives
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[16:20] <nemo> salvage operation
[16:20] <nemo> for her it is the backdrop of her life I guess
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[16:20] <Caver> yup scrap ... find and mend ...
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[16:41] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[16:42] <syntax_erorr> Well
[16:42] <syntax_erorr> I fixed my power issue
[16:42] <SSilver2k2> got another build of advancemame compiled - http://blog.sheasilverman.com/?p=44 - better instructions too
[16:42] <syntax_erorr> Complete bs through.
[16:42] <Caver> oh .. how?
[16:42] <syntax_erorr> a PC power supply.
[16:42] <SSilver2k2> at 900mhz i can play Street Fighter 2, though it is slow
[16:43] <syntax_erorr> I tried 4 usb wall warts and all of them would only supply around 4.6 to 4.8 volts when the pi was on =(
[16:43] <ratherDashing> SSilver2k2: well that's great news!
[16:43] <ratherDashing> SSilver2k2: i would only imagine that it should be 100% playable if it was hardware accelerated
[16:44] <Caver> does mame use SDL?
[16:44] <syntax_erorr> hey ratherDashing do you happen to know if their is an accelerated X driver for debian yet?
[16:44] <ratherDashing> syntax_erorr: I don't believe so although i am not working on that
[16:44] <SSilver2k2> ratherDashing: I would assume so. The hardware in Street Fighter 2 is pretty complex for its time. the CPS-1 system was really cool. CPS-2 is just an upgraded version of that (think Marvel Vs Capcom)
[16:45] <SSilver2k2> SF2 was made in 1991, anythign before that has been running really well so far
[16:45] <SSilver2k2> Bubble Bobble ftw
[16:45] <ratherDashing> SSilver2k2: yep, I have a mame box, very familar with cps2 games. that's really good news that there is a possibility that cps1 or 2 games will be playable!
[16:45] <ratherDashing> SSilver2k2: hat trick hockey
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[16:45] <SSilver2k2> ratherDashing: I used to own an arcade, so I have real boards EVERYwhere
[16:46] <ratherDashing> best multiplayer game in the history of mame
[16:46] <ratherDashing> oh cool! i just have a plywood mame box i made
[16:46] <SSilver2k2> so MAME is very close to my heart :)
[16:46] <syntax_erorr> So what does rasbmc use to play back video smooth? Its on running in X?
[16:46] <SSilver2k2> my next goal is testing Neo-Geo since thats my favorite hardware/games
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[16:46] <ratherDashing> syntax_erorr: it's using omxplayer under the covers which uses the gpu to player videos. i don't know about the menu but that might be using open gl es 2, which also has driver support. i don't believe it uses X
[16:47] <syntax_erorr> So omxplayer doesn't need to run in an X window?
[16:47] <Caver> correct
[16:47] <ratherDashing> i believe it doesn't run in a X window even if you wanted, it just plays straight to the hdmi port, screw anything else going on
[16:48] <syntax_erorr> Ah.. ok I was wondering. Every other linunx system I've used any graphics / video ran in an X server.
[16:49] <franta> carldani, Hi! I've seen your thead about flashrom on RasPi, but it's almost 5 months old so I'd like to ask whether there is something new / if you have some experimental branch for RasPI or some docs regarding it ... maybe reading the code of 0.9.5.2 will be enough ... I just didn't have time to look into it deeper (hopefully this weekend...)
[16:49] <ratherDashing> it will be somewhat like that, once X is accelerated!
[16:49] <Caver> nods .. but it doesn't have too ... it's a bit like the old DOS games ... it can address the video hardware directly .. or in this case though a different open gl es API
[16:49] <ratherDashing> dos4gw :)
[16:50] <Caver> grins
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> syntax_erorr, most linux systems can access the framebuffer directly without using X. e.g. the SDL libraries for 2D graphics...
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[16:50] <gordonDrogon> some framebuffers even have 2D acelleration... Pi doesn't - yet.
[16:51] <syntax_erorr> gordonDrogon, I wasn't aware of that. I've only got into linux about 4 years ago so I'm still learning
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[16:52] <gordonDrogon> syntax_erorr, I got into it um a very long time ago and I'm still learning too :)
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[16:52] <syntax_erorr> modules / drivers are still a mystery to me in linux
[16:52] <syntax_erorr> built in to the kernel? loaded at boot? Never found a good write up on them.
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> they're just bits of software that provide interfaces between the hardware and the programs...
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[16:53] <gordonDrogon> either/or.
[16:53] <syntax_erorr> I know *what* they are. Just not how to enable / disable to install / build new ones, where to put them, etc
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> I prefer to build kernels with all the device drivers I need built in, but some people build kernels with them as modules.
[16:53] <Caver> syntax_erorr, you can built them into the kernal - which has the downside of making it huge
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> Caver, can also make it very small if you only build the exact modules you need.
[16:53] <Caver> or a lot of them can be pushed out to a dynamically loaded module
[16:53] <Caver> correct
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2404272 Jun 11 15:21 /boot/kernel.img
[16:54] <syntax_erorr> OK,so it can be either way, built in or loaded at boot.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> that's my custom compiled kernel.
[16:54] <Caver> then you get things like the initrd which allows for the kernel to load certain modules very early on in the boot sequency
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[16:54] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4195844 Jun 6 12:14 /boot/kernel.img
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> that's the one on debian.
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> so I'm saving 2MB of RAM. However I don't have wi-fi drivers...
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[16:59] <syntax_erorr> How can you tell what drivers are built in to the kernel? And am I assuming right when I say lsmod list the drivers that are loaded at boot? Or does lsmod include drivers built into the kernel?
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> I'm not a fan of initrd myself, but it's very useful for distribution builders who won't know what hardware their systems are being booted onto.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> so you boot a fairly generic kernel, the initrd is loaded and it probes for common hardware, e.g. disk drive or RAID drivers then the system 'boots' properly.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> and during the subsequent parts of boot, it can then do more hardware probing to load extra things like network/wireless and usb drivers.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> that seems to be managed by a system called udev these days to dynamically load modues as needed.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> also not a fan of udev, but I'm sure it has its uses.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> however, big difference between the likes of me who can build a fully customised and optimised kernel for a particular bit of hardware and people who just want a linux box to boot and run without tweaking the knobs...
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> I'm in a very small minority...
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> and my lunch must be cooked by now...
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[17:01] <Caver> udev does module loading these days?
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[17:02] <Caver> you live and learn!
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[17:02] <Caver> used to be hotplug!
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[17:04] <mythos> oh, hotplug is deprecated a long time ago
[17:04] <Caver> yeah .. I'm showing my age :(
[17:04] <mythos> tell us more, grandpa ;)
[17:05] <ratherDashing> i remember when usb wasn't build into the kernel. 2.4 was a god send!
[17:05] <ReggieUK> it depends on the system and the kernel in use
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[17:05] <ratherDashing> haha, my first computer didn't have one, my second one iad 2
[17:05] <ratherDashing> x86 computer i mean, i had a c64 before that
[17:05] <IT_Sean> i ADDED USB to my second computer, via PCI card.
[17:06] <ratherDashing> as did I, my first PC as ISA only
[17:06] <ratherDashing> so no usb
[17:06] <IT_Sean> A single PCI card with USB, FireWire, and SCSI
[17:06] <IT_Sean> :p
[17:06] <Caver> very posh
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[17:08] <Caver> anyway ... point being ... you can have kernel modules that drive hardware ... like the USB bus, or they can be for something like NTFS file system, support
[17:08] <Caver> modern setups use things like udev, to automatically pull them in when required
[17:09] <Caver> so your kernel doesn't have more code and memory space being used for features that aren't in use
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[17:09] <mythos> udev does more the autodetection of the hardware-part. if a userspace-tool like fuse needs a module, it loads it by itself
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[17:10] <syntax_erorr> This is great info guys
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[17:12] <Caver> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd explains the initrd a bit more
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[17:16] <mythos> syntax_erorr> How can you tell what drivers are built in to the kernel? <-- hmm... it seems, the question was not really answered. in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ you find a file named modules.builtin
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[17:18] <Caver> mmm or look at /boot/config-(your kernel number)
[17:18] <Caver> anything with =m at the end of the line ought to be a module
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[17:20] <R`> highlight rage!
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[17:21] <syntax_erorr> mythos, thanks for that. So they are only stored there right? They would also be built into a kernel image in my /boot right?
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[17:24] <Caver> the actual files are in /lib/modules/(name of kernel)
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[17:25] <GabrialDestruir> Yeesh.... empathy's IRC client is worse than Trillians
[17:25] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[17:25] <mythos> syntax_erorr, modules.builtin is a list of all drivers built in your kernel. any other driver must be in an intird/intitramfs, if it is necessary to boot your device or belongs in /lib/modules/`unamr -r`/kernel
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[17:27] <mythos> *initrd/initramfs
[17:27] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm
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[17:29] <gordonDrogon> well that was a nice lunch. A grilled barnsley chop!
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[17:42] <Caver> the 4 legged barnsley?
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> well it was a 4 legged sheep...
[17:43] <Caver> always good to know
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> well - at least I think it was :) I didn't know it when it was running around the fields...
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[17:48] <gordonDrogon> what possesed people to create .info files when man pages were perfectly acceptable...
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[17:49] <hourd> ignorance?
[17:49] <reider59> I was really impressed with the Debian Wheezy alpha (was more like a late beta). Install was fast, in use was fast and smooth. Using a USB Stick was no problem being set up by the RPi. Loved the menu to resize the SD Card, set up SSH etc too. Just a pity my Edimax 7800UN Wifi adapter wan`t recognised, but the wired connection worked no problem.
[17:50] <NucWin> reider59 have you read the wiki about wifi dongles to see if you need drivers
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[17:53] <reider59> No, too late now lol, I put Debian Squeeze back on. I only tried it because a script that had previously worked to install the Edimax failed after an RPi-Update. I was left with no wired net access or WiFi either, so I decided to try the Alpha. Now I reinstalled Debian Squeeze, put on the older script file and turned down th eoption to perform the RPi-Update.
[17:53] <ratherDashing> yeah i'm waiting for a raspbian image that friggle is putting together
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[17:58] * gordonDrogon patches avrdude and rebuilds ...
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> then I'll need to do it all again under raspbian...
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[18:06] <dirty_d> im trying to put together an archlinux hardfp image
[18:07] <traeak> dirty_d: what resources are you using to do that?
[18:08] <ratherDashing> dirty_d: how's it going, i would be really interested in that project
[18:08] <traeak> i've never set up an arch build server b4?
[18:08] <traeak> i guess at this point need to use qemu to do that
[18:08] <dirty_d> traeak, ratherDashing im using raspbian to build the arch PKGBUILDS
[18:08] <traeak> ahh okay
[18:09] <dirty_d> i have makepkg and stuff install on raspbian
[18:09] <traeak> ideal would be to use my dual xeons to pull off the build
[18:09] <dirty_d> trying to use distcc, but its not working for some reason
[18:09] <traeak> that would work too
[18:09] <ratherDashing> i remember distcc from my gentoo days
[18:09] <dirty_d> soemthing to do with makepgk i think, might be missing something
[18:09] <traeak> could use already existing arch to rebuild everything?
[18:09] <dirty_d> its compiling locally, jsut very slow
[18:09] <traeak> just go from softfp to hard ?
[18:09] <dirty_d> traeak, no
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[18:10] <traeak> uhh yeah...the rpi is very pathetic
[18:10] <dirty_d> you need to start with a hard glibc and stuff
[18:10] <traeak> c++ is uber painful
[18:10] <traeak> well yeah, you can build all that
[18:10] <traeak> just have to set up root, etc
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[18:10] <traeak> but i'm not familiar with the intricacies of building distros
[18:11] <traeak> other than gentoo, which i ditched a few years back
[18:11] <ratherDashing> dirty_d: i would imagine you would have the base install compiled in a few days though, right?
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[18:12] <dirty_d> probably
[18:12] <ratherDashing> obviously not the entire repo, that would probably take you weeks/months
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[18:12] <dirty_d> im just trying to figure out why distcc isnt being used
[18:12] <dirty_d> it works if i run it by hand file
[18:13] <dirty_d> but makepkg isnt doing something it should
[18:13] <dirty_d> setting some env vars or soemthing
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[18:14] <dirty_d> hmm
[18:14] <dirty_d> heres a hint
[18:14] <dirty_d> if i run 'set'
[18:14] <dirty_d> i see the entire contents of makepkg
[18:15] <dirty_d> lol, wtf
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[18:16] <dirty_d> nevermind
[18:16] <dirty_d> its soemthing else
[18:16] <traeak> hmm
[18:17] <ratherDashing> git fucks your day up when you run set
[18:17] <traeak> seems an asus rt-16N serves well as an rpi power source
[18:17] <traeak> not seeing ether or keyboard dropouts today (yet)
[18:17] <mikey_w> Joy, I called Newark and they said my PI would ship on June 28th. I just hope it's true.
[18:17] <traeak> mikey_w: then you get to maybe have fun with hardware stability
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[18:18] <mikey_w> I was a hardware engineer in my youth so that shouldn't be a challenge.
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[18:20] <traeak> you have tons more expertise than any schools out there will have though
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[18:21] <mikey_w> People without a multimeter shouldn't own a PI.
[18:21] <mikey_w> lol
[18:21] <traeak> i left mine at home again
[18:23] <Butcho> I have a multimeter, can't find my leads.
[18:23] <traeak> oscilloscope is probably more appropriate though
[18:24] <traeak> watch spikes, etc
[18:24] <traeak> but costly
[18:24] <traeak> hmm...how much are pc pluggable oscilloscopes anyways?
[18:24] <traeak> i was back in the stone age when that stuff didn't exist yet
[18:26] <traeak> hmm..i guess an arduino would work for that
[18:26] <traeak> cool...sampling rate is kind of low though
[18:26] <traeak> anyways
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[18:27] <Butcho> anyone running nagios or tomcat on the Pi ? I want to see if I can run jira/confluence on tomcat (doubtful)
[18:28] <traeak> hehe
[18:28] <traeak> how much ram does nagios/tomcat usually take for you?
[18:28] <traeak> i recall jira just about killling our athlon 2 x4
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[18:28] <IT_Sean> ouch
[18:28] <traeak> hunk of crap
[18:28] <traeak> i hate jira
[18:29] <traeak> that's just me though, my view on project management seems to be almost opposite of how the jira guys invision it
[18:29] <traeak> anyways no more ranting
[18:30] <traeak> i wish i could offer better alternatives
[18:30] <ratherDashing> i think you'll be hard pressed on ram
[18:30] <IT_Sean> at least until the next rant.
[18:30] <IT_Sean> amirite?
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[18:30] <Butcho> jira I dont care about
[18:30] <Butcho> I like confluence
[18:30] <traeak> you'd probably be better off getting a mele a1000, freeing up some of the ram, plugging in a SATA drive and using that
[18:30] <traeak> would be more appropriate for what you need
[18:31] <Da|Mummy> wow. this shipping box from rs farnell is so much better than the shipping box from newark for the USA
[18:31] <traeak> since it'd be server only you could install and run that today
[18:31] <traeak> got 2 now eh?
[18:31] <Da|Mummy> yup
[18:31] <traeak> nice they charged 5USD for shipping in an envelope
[18:31] <Da|Mummy> just got the 2nd one. im surprised how badly newark shipping box was
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[18:32] <ratherDashing> yeah newark just slapped it in a envelope and put it in the mail
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[18:32] <Da|Mummy> ^
[18:32] <Da|Mummy> faster shipping though than rs farnell was for me, but rs had such a nice padded box for it
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[18:35] <amelia_> The nice little box I got my RS Pi in was awesome :P
[18:35] <Butcho> thanks for the tip on the mele a1000
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[18:46] <mikey_w> They can just slap a stamp and a label on my PI. I just want it.
[18:47] <IT_Sean> Yar, 'cause that would survive the postal sort. [/carcasm]
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[18:56] <dirty_d> sweet, distcc is working
[18:56] <dirty_d> maybe now gcc will finish compiling within my lifetime
[18:56] <amelia_> :P
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[18:57] <dirty_d> although im not sure distcc can even be used for compiling the later stages
[18:57] <dirty_d> pretty sure it cant
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[18:57] <dirty_d> arrrrg, i shoulda used ccache so at least after it fails i dont have to wait all over again
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[19:02] <traeak> heh
[19:02] <traeak> you have a usb drive for this i gather?
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[19:10] <dirty_d> traeak, yea
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[19:20] <dirty_d> this is still really slow with distcc
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[19:21] <dirty_d> because the rpi has to preprocess the files
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[19:30] <traeak> the love of c/c++
[19:30] <traeak> works okay on pcs but for compilingon embedded it sucks
[19:30] <traeak> need to "upgrade" c++ for ease of compilation
[19:31] <IT_Sean> erft. I played with C++ in high school.
[19:31] <DaQatz> C++ is not much like it used to be.
[19:32] <IT_Sean> Oh?
[19:32] <traeak> yup, if you code in c++ like you would code in java you are doing it very wrong
[19:32] <RITRedbeard__> holy hell
[19:32] <IT_Sean> I never learn't java, so...
[19:32] <RITRedbeard__> something I read in this channel that made sense!
[19:32] <RITRedbeard__> <traeak> yup, if you code in c++ like you would code in java you are doing it very wrong
[19:32] <IT_Sean> LOL
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[19:33] <RITRedbeard> Hello folks! :)
[19:33] <IT_Sean> 'ello
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[19:34] <RITRedbeard> except I should have said 'blimey' instead of what I said, sorry for the language
[19:35] <Caver> "bother"
[19:35] <IT_Sean> holy hell? wasswrong with 'hell'?
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[19:39] <RITRedbeard> I dunno.
[19:39] <RITRedbeard> Keeping it kid friendly, I 'pose.
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[19:39] <IT_Sean> fair 'nuff
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> Bother said Pooh.
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[19:45] <Linkas> hi, I'm filling now "delivery adress" on farnell website and I don't know what should I put in "company name" field? My name? there is no field for my name and surname
[19:46] <Cheery> maybe your name then
[19:46] <Caver> what country are you in?
[19:46] <dirty_d> traeak, i believe thay are
[19:46] <dirty_d> creating a module system
[19:46] <dirty_d> for c++
[19:46] <IT_Sean> Put your name in.
[19:47] <Linkas> ok, thanks
[19:47] <Cheery> I'd need to collect my legos again
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[19:49] <Cheery> The layouter I created for EEPR is causing me lot of effort when I try to get it do more complex layouting.
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> Bah. Why is the Debian build process failing after I patch a package! I can patch and manually compile OK, but debian oh no ...
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[19:51] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, what error is it failing with?
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[19:53] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, it just hangs during the configure stage - it's waiting for keyboard input, so if I ctrl-D it, it carries on, but then fails to build.
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> so if I fetch the source, then build it with 'debian/rules binary' it works OK, but if I fetch then apply some patches, then run debian/rules binary it fails.
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> however I can apply the patches and build it OK outside the debian build system
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> apply patches, run aclocal then autoconf then ./configure then make ...
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'll run the aclocal and autoconf before runnig the debian/rules binary thing..
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[19:57] <plugwash> generally unless you really know what you are doing you shouldn't be running debian/rules targets manually, you should be using tools like dpkg-buildpackage
[19:57] <plugwash> and if you are going to do it manually you should be running clean then build then binary
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> the trouble is, I really don't know what I'm doing, so I google, find a page that tells me to run debian/rules... so I do.
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> I have also used dpkg-buildpackage and get the same results though.
[19:58] <Gadget-Mac> Evening all
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> and apt-get -b
[19:59] <IT_Sean> Afternoon
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> trying again... maybe I ought to be doing it on my desktop as it would fail quicker ...
[20:02] <DaQatz> What an odd thing, webkit is taking a long time to compile on my pi.
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[20:02] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. well, it's now passed the point it usually stalls at. so aclocal and autoconf were needed after the patches...
[20:03] <plugwash> DaQatz, hmm, IIRC it takes a couple of days to build the debian webkit package on an imx board
[20:04] <plugwash> (more if the testsuite is enabled)
[20:04] <plugwash> I dread to think what building it on a Pi would be like
[20:04] <DaQatz> Yeah mines been going since the day before yesterday
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> Ah, no. it's stalled again. it seems to be running the configure twice. what on earth is debian doing )-:
[20:05] <IT_Sean> whatever it bloody feels like?
[20:05] <DaQatz> I know! Lets compile libreoffice on it!
[20:06] <IT_Sean> O_O
[20:07] <markllama> sheesh. What's wrong with LaTeX and X11R6?
[20:07] <Caver> where to begin!
[20:07] * markllama is old school. kpathsea and IMake rule....
[20:08] * plugwash can think of a few things that are wrong with LaTeX, the big one being that WAY too many characters are markup significant
[20:08] <Caver> a thought ... if it appears to halt, expecting input from a file
[20:08] <Caver> or in this case the console
[20:08] <Caver> have a look for unpaired ` charactors in the scripts?
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> I do a lot in latex - you get used to it.
[20:09] <Caver> but thing of the children ... no one should be forced to grow up being made to learn about latex!
[20:09] <markllama> I don't USE LaTeX. I just *build* it.
[20:09] <Caver> think
[20:09] <markllama> Wax On... Wax Off...
[20:10] <Caver> sniggers
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[20:10] <IT_Sean> heynow
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[20:15] <gordonDrogon> I first used latex over 20 years ago..
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[20:18] <pedro> Hello from vienna
[20:18] <IT_Sean> o_o
[20:18] <IT_Sean> Bonjour!
[20:19] <amelia_> IT_Sean: Hej!
[20:19] <IT_Sean> hi amelia_
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[20:20] <IT_Sean> SYN!
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[20:25] <amelia_> ACK!
[20:25] * IT_Sean took you bloody long enough. :p
[20:26] <dirty_d> is there a hardfloat kernel anywhere that i cna use with qemu and a rasbian image?
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, the one I'm currently using is http://unicorn.drogon.net/zImage
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, not sure if that will run under qemu though, but...
[20:28] <dirty_d> if ite made for the pi im pretty sure it wont
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[20:29] <plugwash> dirty_d, mpthompson includes one with his raspbian qemu image
[20:29] <plugwash> unfortunately the only way I know of to get a copy is to download the whole image
[20:30] <dirty_d> plugwash, cool, where is that?
[20:31] <plugwash> http://archive.raspbian.org/qemu/raspbian_qemu_image.tar.bz2
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[20:32] <dirty_d> oh nice
[20:32] <dirty_d> qemu can definitly only use a single core of my machine for emulating the rpi's processor right?
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, so I can ./configure and compile this package manually and it compiled just fine - can I now just run debian/rules binary to make the binary, or will it un-do everything?
[20:34] <plugwash> depends on exactly how the debian packager did the packaging
[20:35] <dirty_d> hmm
[20:35] <plugwash> note that debian/rules is not magic it's just a Makefile
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[20:36] <plugwash> and being a makefile it can do pretty much whatever the debian packager likes
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> ok, I'll give it a go..
[20:36] <dirty_d> hmm, you cna make qemu use a higher clockspeed right?
[20:37] <dirty_d> in the README for the qemu image is shows BogoMIPS : 331.77
[20:37] <dirty_d> you should be able to make that match your physical processor should you?
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[20:39] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, ok... so debian/rules binary wants the binaries in a particular place... so I can oblige. Getting there...
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[20:47] <dirty_d> plugwash, seems to work fine in qemu
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[20:50] <traeak> kill latex, use lout
[20:50] <traeak> latex is HUGE
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[20:51] <ratherDashing> i've never used crunchbang but is it just wheezy+openbox+tint2?
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[20:52] * markllama chortles with glee at the creation of an off-topic latex bash :-)
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> Oddly, I used to run LaTeX on Sun workstations - 20MHz 68000's with 4MB of RAM. What happened...
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[20:56] <amelia_> :P
[20:56] <amelia_> I miss 68k..
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[20:59] <RITRedbeard> I was born before all the cool computers
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> I do remember upgrading those Suns to 12MB of RAM though - it involved removing the processor and MMU (or was it the FPU?) and plugging in a board with more RAM on it, then putting the processor back. Just like the upgrades to some home micros :)
[20:59] <RITRedbeard> What was the coolest computer to have in the 80s?
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[21:00] <markllama> Timex Sinclair
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> It depends...
[21:00] <RITRedbeard> ZX Spectrum?
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> Basically there was the 6502 camp and the Z80 camp...
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> so apple II/BBC Micro vs. the ZXs.
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[21:00] <gordonDrogon> I was in the 6502 camp...
[21:00] <markllama> Who cares about camps. Learn em both!
[21:00] <RITRedbeard> Well, I can tell the C64 was crap from playing with one.
[21:01] <markllama> And PDP-11 as well.
[21:01] <RITRedbeard> Not a real computer in any sense.
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> I did work on some embedded 8080 boxes at the time though.
[21:01] * markllama liked CP/M actually
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I did have a North Star Horizon Z80 CP/M box once upon a time.
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> it weighed a tonne!
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> S100 bus system though. We used it for industrial control apps. until we replaced it with BBC Micros...
[21:02] <RITRedbeard> Wasn't there a real nice 80s computer with sound synthesis chips and all that jazz?
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> even had a multi-user one - each user had a bank of 48KB of RAM!
[21:02] <RITRedbeard> GUI
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> The Beeb had a nice sound chip.
[21:03] <mjr> C64? ;)
[21:03] <RITRedbeard> not SID, I don't think
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[21:03] <ratherDashing> haha c64 sound was crud
[21:03] <ratherDashing> amiga?
[21:03] <lastebil> um
[21:03] <RITRedbeard> maybe it was Commodore's Amiga 500?
[21:03] <RITRedbeard> but I thought those were supeeeeer expensive and rare?
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> Yea, might have been the amiga. (or ST)
[21:03] <lastebil> c64 sound was not crud, amiga was ok, but it had no full on synth like the sid.
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[21:03] <gordonDrogon> If you want proper retro, then: http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
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[21:04] <RITRedbeard> wow is that a mini nixie array or vfd of some sort
[21:04] <steve_rox> hmm i miss my c64
[21:04] <steve_rox> its around here somewhere
[21:04] <lastebil> I have a c64 and a c128.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, it's old calculator style LED.
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[21:04] <lastebil> the c64 demo releases this past weekend in Australia were very cool.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> 7-segment LEDs with tiny magnifiers.
[21:04] <steve_rox> most memorable time was when "stay a while stay foreverrrrr!"
[21:05] <RITRedbeard> Anyway, the Amiga looks like it was totally awesome
[21:05] <RITRedbeard> :)
[21:05] <lastebil> Impossible Mission (: Impossible Mission II was strange.
[21:05] <steve_rox> true
[21:05] <mjr> ST was fairly popular for music stuff but I don't know if it had any decent internal synths, it might've just been that it (IIRC) had MIDI by default
[21:05] <lastebil> the Amiga was an amazing computer. Still is, but, well.
[21:05] <steve_rox> i couldent really get on with v2
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[21:05] <lastebil> ST had no good sound chip, it was a YM chip. Later models had a DSP.
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[21:05] <steve_rox> sound effects in impossible mission were great :-D
[21:06] <lastebil> Speccy had AY chips, incidentally.
[21:06] <lastebil> (for sound.)
[21:06] <RITRedbeard> the amiga is what I was thinking of, what an amazing computer for the time
[21:06] <lastebil> I will agree there. I also have way too many Amigas (:
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[21:06] <RITRedbeard> too bad I was being born the stuff was being phased out for x86 clones
[21:06] <lastebil> yes. that is a shame. it is a very good computer for MAKING things.
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[21:07] <lastebil> I hope that same sort of thing comes thru the pi.
[21:07] <lastebil> a lot of us Amiga folks feel that way.
[21:07] <steve_rox> but one thing is for sure , the programming and devlopment has kinda vanished since these compys died out
[21:07] <RITRedbeard> maybe I fully don't understand the BBC Micro and Amiga communities, how they were, then
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[21:07] <steve_rox> dont you miss the days of programming dodgy option text based games? :-D
[21:07] <lastebil> steve_rox: dunno, as a demoscener, I've seen stuff still done on them these days; and also on other machines; mindblowing stuff.
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[21:08] <lastebil> steve_rox: yeah, inform just is NOT the same.
[21:08] <RITRedbeard> my only frame of reference is demoscene and arduino, lol
[21:08] <RITRedbeard> avr
[21:08] <lastebil> RITRedbeard: ah, ol LFT (:
[21:08] <lastebil> yeah, he's a clever one, and a good guy.
[21:08] <syntax_erorr> Does the debian arm that is listed on raspberrypi.org use a soft FPU?
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[21:09] <steve_rox> when at shitty school i used to write a quick option game on a bbc micro since i learnt basic from c64 , then type run and walk away and see what the general reaction is to ppl who play it :-D
[21:09] <lastebil> syntax_erorr: I don't know. I know the question came up with archlinux the other day, and I think it was said that on arch we use soft.
[21:09] <ReggieUK> steve_rox, mind your language please
[21:09] <steve_rox> as you wish
[21:09] <lastebil> mjr: also, yes, you remember properly. the Atari ST had MIDI. It was well known for working well with MIDI, the Amiga did not have that.
[21:09] <steve_rox> been a while since ive been in a sane chat room ;-)
[21:10] <amelia_> steve_rox: reading the topic does wonders ;)
[21:10] <RITRedbeard> yeah ST used MIDI for a MP token ring FPS didn't it?
[21:10] <steve_rox> not when the window is shrank so you cant read it all
[21:11] <lastebil> /topic works (:
[21:11] <steve_rox> ive been reading some post on forums about some pi's have been defective?
[21:11] <steve_rox> suddenly i worry
[21:11] <amelia_> steve_rox: no need to worry, my Pi isn't defective :P
[21:11] * IT_Sean 's been a very small number.
[21:11] <lastebil> have they? a friend of mine has had issues with his staying up overnight. I have not, so I can't say. I told him to swap from debian to arch and test, cuz I have not had issues with arch.
[21:12] <steve_rox> they said that they run for few mins then black out
[21:12] <steve_rox> suspected dry solder or something
[21:12] <lastebil> it may just be some spurious interrupt in some program that it launches that arch does not. I cannot say until he tries.
[21:12] <syntax_erorr> I thought I had a bad unit. Turns out I wasn't supplying enough power
[21:12] <reider59> My Pi is OK but in any form of manufacturing you will find occasional faulty units
[21:12] <lastebil> my friend has checked the power several times.
[21:12] <steve_rox> i assumed a usb port supplyed same ammount of power defined by a standard?
[21:12] <lastebil> so, in short: mine good. I have only heard of one possibly, and I would not worry.
[21:13] <syntax_erorr> steve_rox, I wouldn't assume that
[21:13] <steve_rox> so standards are out the window ? ;-)
[21:13] <ReggieUK> definitely don't assume that
[21:13] <ReggieUK> well out of the window
[21:13] <steve_rox> i ordered one like a week or two ago
[21:13] <syntax_erorr> I tried 4 usb wall wart chargers. None of them would go above 4.6 volts.
[21:13] <ReggieUK> baby, bathwater, pi ->>> window
[21:13] <steve_rox> they sent me a email invite to order
[21:13] <steve_rox> for some reasion they did think i was from italy or sommat tho no idea why
[21:14] * lastebil has to go fix a server, unfortunately.
[21:14] <steve_rox> i was half awake at the time tho i thought i better order damn fast before they all vanish
[21:14] <steve_rox> could of been a spoof email for all i know :-P
[21:15] <steve_rox> agh i dont feel well i think ill go snuff it for a bit
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[21:21] <traeak> need to do more benchies but a c++ project takes about 3.7x longer to compile on the rpi compared with the mele
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[21:22] <traeak> ie: might make more sense to create an arch based rpi distro using a mele for compilation :-p
[21:22] <ReggieUK> only for you :D
[21:23] <FR^2> So installing gentoo linux from within the raspberry pi is not a good idea? ;)
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[21:24] <dirty_d> FYI: http://blogs.igalia.com/jasuarez/2008/09/01/qemu-arm-in-text-mode/
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[21:25] <djp_> hi. i have installed an app from source. if i run the app in the framebuffer i have to use sudo for it to run, otherwise it fails. if i run it under x however, it works with sudo. do i need to add my user to a certain group to launch sdl apps in the framebuffer?
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[21:28] <djp_> oops that should have read... "if i run it under x however, it works without sudo..."
[21:29] <AlcariTheMad> djp_: quite possibly the 'video' group
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[21:34] <traeak> FR^2: hehe, knock yourself out
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[21:34] <traeak> djp_: add yourself ot video/audio groups at least
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[21:36] <djp_> AlcariTheMad: groups username shows my user is already a member of video
[21:37] <djp_> traeak: already in the audio and video group
[21:37] <djp_> AlcariTheMad: traeak strange thing is, under x, no need for sudo, but in the framebuffer i have to use it
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> type 'id' just to check your group memberships...
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[21:41] <djp_> gordonDrogon: groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev)
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[21:43] <syntax_erorr> ...dialout....
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[21:46] <djp_> maybe i need to look into pam_console?
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> djp_, well if ls -l /dev/fb0 shows crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/fb0 then you ought to be fine.
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> djp_, are you sure it's /dev/fb0 is failing on?
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[21:50] <djp_> gordonDrogon: ls -l /dev/fb0 reads just as you put
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[21:51] <djp_> gordonDrogon: how do i check it's running under /dev/fb0?
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[21:53] <Bellagio> hi
[21:53] <syntax_erorr> maybe lsof | grep fb0
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[21:54] <syntax_erorr> That should at lest tell you if something has it open.
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[21:55] <Bellagio> when the hdmi output is plugged, the jack output doesn't work
[21:56] <Bellagio> any ideas?
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[21:56] <syntax_erorr> Bellagio, what OS?
[21:56] <Bellagio> raspbian
[21:56] <syntax_erorr> I know on rasbmc you have to set an option in xbmc for the analog jack to work.
[21:56] <syntax_erorr> I'm not sure about rasbian
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[21:57] <Bellagio> I tried to set with amixer but it doesn't work
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[21:59] <djp_> syntax_erorr: lsof | grep fb0 doesn't list anything
[22:00] <syntax_erorr> djp I'm not totally sure on this. But if you run that as root and nothing returns I would assume that nothing has the frame buffer open.
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[22:03] <djp_> syntax_erorr: ah, you're right... my stupid... didn't run as root... sure enough, the app is using /dev/fb0
[22:03] <syntax_erorr> Bellagio, did you follow http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound_does_not_work_with_a_HDMI_monitor
[22:04] <syntax_erorr> looks like some distros have sound disabled because the driver is buggy
[22:05] <syntax_erorr> but you can install it
[22:08] <Bellagio> syntax_erorr: yes I already tried that, the sound works perfectly with hdmi output
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[22:09] <syntax_erorr> Bellagio, I haven't even tried analog audio out yet. Might try a different distro if you have a spare SD card. Alot of ...not a lot ...all the distros are pretty buggy in different areas right now it seems
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[22:16] <Bellagio> syntax_erorr: okay It does not matter
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[22:17] <ratherDashing> Bellagio: run pianobar and then tell me sound works perfectly :)
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[22:24] <Bellagio> ratherDashing: ahah actually I try with a player youtube written in Python
[22:24] <FR^2> Is there any swap implementation that performs wear levelling? ;)
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[22:31] <fryguy128> How do I fix the 'could not mount /dev/mmcblk0p1' error on openelec for raspberry pi? Anything past 11160 fails, and I need flash drive support which I can't get in 11160.
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[22:32] <syntax_erorr> FR^2 I believe most SD cards have built in wear leveling
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> best to not swap :)
[22:33] <lennard> use yaffs and a file-based swap :P
[22:33] <ReggieUK> they might have wear leveling but if you put swap on it's own partition then it's only going to level stuff across the partition and not the whole card
[22:34] <syntax_erorr> Ah, I thought they were whole card style
[22:34] <lennard> ReggieUK: that doesn't make any sense at all (as long as we're talking built-in)
[22:34] <lennard> why on earth would the sd card go and look at the partition table to limit wear levelling use :P
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> doesn't yaffs need low-level access to the raw device though? or can it work on a partition?
[22:35] <lennard> I think my android used to have multiple yaffs partitions
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[22:35] <lennard> not entirely sure
[22:35] <ReggieUK> i could be wrong
[22:35] <ReggieUK> wouldn't be the first time
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[22:35] <syntax_erorr> yaffs is a file system not a partition
[22:35] <ReggieUK> today
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> the on-board SD wear leveling (if any) can only keep track of writes - and once it's written every block, it's game over...
[22:35] <lennard> ReggieUK: I may have reacted a bit strongly though, sorry about that :)
[22:36] <ReggieUK> not at all :)
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[22:36] <ReggieUK> I'd rather be told than ignorant :)
[22:36] <lennard> gordonDrogon: well unless it has 'hidden' space for this exact purpose
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> lennard, well ,even so, just run badblocks over an sd card and it's more or less done for!
[22:36] <lennard> probably yes :)
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> I used to run badblocks (in write mode!) on CF cards without thinking ...
[22:37] <lennard> or null it 'just to be sure' :)
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[22:37] <lennard> baww, I think the mannschaft just beat 'my' team
[22:38] * IT_Sean sets ReggieUK's SD card on fire
[22:38] <ReggieUK> yup
[22:38] <ReggieUK> 2-1
[22:38] <lennard> ReggieUK: I wish ;)
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[22:38] * ReggieUK kicks IT_Sean in the sd cards
[22:38] <lennard> alas, its 1-2 :P
[22:38] <IT_Sean> O.O
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[22:39] <ReggieUK> are you counting teh bits?
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[22:39] <lennard> doesn't SD have discard or low level format or something?
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[22:39] <lennard> to reset the potentially existing wear levelling
[22:39] <FR^2> syntax_erorr: That would be a (cpu-intensive) workaround: Use a swap file on a copy-on-write filesystem ;)
[22:40] <lennard> I assume thats pretty much what yaffs does :P
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[22:41] <fryguy128> How do I fix the 'could not mount /dev/mmcblk0p1' error on openelec for raspberry pi? Anything past 11160 fails, and I need flash drive support which I can't get in 11160.
[22:41] <lennard> ooh I've read that one before
[22:42] <fryguy128> Noone helped
[22:42] <syntax_erorr> what is the 11160 number?
[22:43] <fryguy128> The openelec daily build version
[22:43] <lennard> I was guessing either kernel timestamp or block number
[22:43] <lennard> oh
[22:43] <lennard> that would work I suppose :P
[22:43] <lennard> fryguy128: did you fetch the rpi-specific build?
[22:43] <fryguy128> yes
[22:43] <Ben64> you know 11160 is old
[22:44] <fryguy128> Yes
[22:44] <fryguy128> I have a sandisk ultra that won't boot after 11160
[22:44] <Ben64> hm
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. 2 Pi's compiling at the same time..
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> The raspbian one is winning...
[22:47] <syntax_erorr> so thats 3.14^2?
[22:47] <fryguy128> No one knows the solution to my problem?
[22:47] <syntax_erorr> have you tried the 11826 build?
[22:48] <syntax_erorr> 286
[22:48] <fryguy128> yes
[22:48] <lennard> also, have you tracked down the reason your sandisk wont boot after 11160?
[22:48] <syntax_erorr> and then you went back to 11034?
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[22:49] <fryguy128> 'could not mount /dev/mmcblk0p1'
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[22:50] <lennard> well yes, but thats just the end result, I would expect earlier messages showing some more of a root cause
[22:51] <syntax_erorr> Have you tried every image from 11160 forward? Could it be that 11286 is a bad image, or a bad download, or even just a bad run of dd?
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[22:52] <fryguy128> It was something they changed on ALL builds after 11160
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[22:53] <syntax_erorr> hmm you might be screwed then. Seems odd though that the card would be an issue.
[22:53] <fryguy128> It has to do with the kernel
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[22:54] <lennard> might be worth tracking down the commit messages
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[22:55] <lennard> fryguy128: just to be clear, 11180 boots but doesn't have usb mass storage support?
[22:55] <lennard> err, 11160*
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[23:02] <traeak> take that back...started getting keyboard errors again
[23:02] <traeak> grr
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[23:07] <traeak> nah, dropped eth packets
[23:07] <traeak> hmm
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[23:12] <Bellagio> anyone has tried to overclock his rpi?
[23:12] <gardar> So guys I just received a mail from Farnell that I can place a order, does anyone of you know if I can order more than one pi's?
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[23:13] <amelia_> gardar: I'd imagine it's restricted to one per person, given the waiting lists
[23:14] <gardar> yeah it seems like it, just wanted to make sure there wasn't a button I wasn't seeing on the site where I could increase the qty
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> think I'm actually getting somewhere building a debian package for the Pi..
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> .. at last )-:
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> Bellagio, yes, lots of people overclocking. I have a couple running at 900MHz.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> Bellagio, to go faster you'll likely need to overvolt too
[23:19] <Bellagio> gordonDrogon: yep I know but its soo dangerous :p
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> Bellagio, not really.
[23:19] <gardar> gordonDrogon: what methods are used to overclock? Volts and multiplier like on desktops?
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> Bellagio, well - not if you don't fiddle with the voltage.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> gardar, you set the frequency explicitly in a config file.
[23:20] <gardar> oh as simple as that haha
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> gardar, and it it doesn't work, you take the card out, edit in another PC to something less..
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> brb
[23:22] <traeak> ugh, need to find a .config for a qemu'able arm image
[23:22] <traeak> what fun
[23:23] <Bellagio> for the moment I didn't find a great config with cpu, gpu and sdram overclock
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[23:42] * brougham (brougham@213.152.60.37) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:42] * PiBot sets mode +v brougham
[23:43] * kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:43] * PiBot sets mode +v kcj
[23:43] * kevc (~kev@kerouac.projectcolo.org.uk) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:43] * PiBot sets mode +v kevc
[23:46] * mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: mkopack)
[23:46] * BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d90-130-9-40.cust.tele2.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[23:47] * Guest71780 (~Matthew@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[23:47] * [SkG] (~SkG@unaffiliated/skg/x-897332) Quit (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com ))
[23:48] * kevc (~kev@kerouac.projectcolo.org.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[23:48] * markbook (~markbook@pool-74-104-180-140.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:48] * PiBot sets mode +v markbook
[23:48] * kevc (~kev@kerouac.projectcolo.org.uk) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:48] * PiBot sets mode +v kevc
[23:50] * im2me_ (~im2me@109.224.133.169) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:50] * PiBot sets mode +v im2me_
[23:51] * Siph0n| (~Siph0n@181.sub-174-254-224.myvzw.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:51] * PiBot sets mode +v Siph0n|
[23:51] * im2me (~im2me@109.224.133.169) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[23:52] * Axman6 (~Axman@pdpc/supporter/student/Axman6) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[23:54] * Siph0n (~Siph0n@213.sub-174-235-196.myvzw.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[23:57] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:57] * PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean
[23:57] * Axman6 (~Axman@210.9.140.167) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:57] * PiBot sets mode +v Axman6
[23:57] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[23:58] * iMatttt (~imatttt@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:58] * PiBot sets mode +v iMatttt
[23:58] * fredr1k is now known as FREDR1K

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