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IRC Log for 2012-06-14

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[0:11] <neofutur> fyi : release of MediaWiki 1.19.1 One security issue was discovered, Both Chris Steipp and Formafix discovered that the uselang http parameter was vulnerable to XSS
[0:11] <dirty_d> uhhg, cant use more than 256MB of ram in qemu-system-arm ?
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[0:14] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, for that true Pi experience ;-)
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[0:15] <dirty_d> damn
[0:15] <dirty_d> i think my build of gcc failed on the pi because of now enough ram
[0:16] <dirty_d> hopefully thats not the case now that i have a qemu vm with 256MB
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[0:17] <dirty_d> ill know soon enough
[0:17] <dirty_d> or not, it took a few hours to fail
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[0:25] <ReggieUK> dirty_d, perhaps you need to setup a big swap (just on qemu)
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[0:28] <plugwash> dirty_d, OOI why were you rebuilding gcc?
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[0:45] <dirty_d> plugwash, im rebuilding the official archlinux-arm gcc hard float
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[0:45] <dirty_d> im trying to get a minimal hard arch image made
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[0:45] <dirty_d> im using arch's makepkg on raspbian
[0:45] <dirty_d> i dont think there is any quick way out of it
[0:46] <dirty_d> cross compiling woulf be fast but its too fincky
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[0:46] <dirty_d> requires per package modifications to work
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[0:46] <dirty_d> i tried distcc
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[0:46] <dirty_d> the arm system is the bottleneck since it has to preprcess and link
[0:47] <dirty_d> qemu is using a measly 10% of my i7's total processing power
[0:48] <plugwash> my advice if you are serious about building a distro variant and the distro isn't designed for cross compiling would be to get some better arm hardware
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[0:48] <dirty_d> i suppose i could make 10 images and run 10 qemu's each building a separate package
[0:48] <plugwash> at least that is what we did for raspbian
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[0:48] <plugwash> also consider using qemu in user mode
[0:48] <dirty_d> what is user mode?
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[0:49] <plugwash> qemu has two modes of operation, system mode and user mode, system mode emulates a whole system
[0:49] <plugwash> user mode emulates the processor only and passes system calls to the host
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[0:50] <dirty_d> qemu-arm vs qemu-system-arm?
[0:50] <mamili> hey all raspberry pi fans :)
[0:50] <plugwash> yeah, though in practice you more normally use qemu-arm-static
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[0:51] <plugwash> You can use qemu-arm-static in combination with binfmt_misc and chroot to create an arm environment on an x86 host while only emulating the userland code
[0:52] <dirty_d> whats the advantage?
[0:52] <dirty_d> much faster?
[0:52] <plugwash> better performance because you aren't emulating all the hardware
[0:52] <plugwash> each process runs in seperate emulation so you can take advantage of multiple host cores
[0:53] <plugwash> and avoids the stupid ram limits that most of the full system emulation targets have
[0:53] <dirty_d> hmmm
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[0:54] <plugwash> http://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation
[0:55] <dirty_d> already there ;)
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[0:56] <dirty_d> darn, i dont see a qemu static for archlinux
[0:57] <dirty_d> although if its static the debian one should work no problem i guess
[0:57] <dirty_d> static as in statically linked right?
[0:57] <plugwash> yeah
[0:57] <plugwash> the only tricky thing is you may have to setup binfmt_misc manually
[0:57] <plugwash> whereas on debian there is a package that does it for you
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[1:00] <dirty_d> yea i noticed there is no binfmt packages
[1:01] <traeak> what's qemu static mean?
[1:01] <traeak> hehe
[1:01] <traeak> or better yet, why is that improtatn?
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[1:02] <dirty_d> it has no dependenciues
[1:02] <moegreen> hey guys just got my pi today and i can ssh into it just fine, but im running export DISPLAY=192.168.0.6 and its xwindow is not coming up on my monitor..am i doing something wrong?
[1:03] <plugwash> the thing is when using qemu user mode with a chroot the qemu binary being used needs to be available in the chroot
[1:03] <plugwash> and trying to make libaries for the host CPU available in the chroot would be a PITA
[1:03] <plugwash> so using a static qemu binary is the easiest soloution
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[1:07] <dirty_d> plugwash, i think this is gonna be a lot of work to get going on archlinux
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[1:07] <plugwash> Yeah, probablly easier to use a ubuntu host
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[1:07] <markbook> moegreen: if you ssh in (assuming you have xforwarding enabled on your client) if xterm is on the pi then ssh should manage the port forwarding
[1:08] <plugwash> or possiblly a debian testing host (but I beleive ubuntu have a better version of qemu for arm stuff)
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[1:12] <moegreen> xterm was not installed so i just did that..how do i check the forwarding..what file is that in?
[1:12] <Meatballs> http://blog.pwnieexpress.com/post/24967860602/raspberry-pwn-a-pentesting-release-for-the-raspberry
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[1:15] <amelia_> old news is old
[1:15] <ntwrk_keith> hey all
[1:16] <ntwrk_keith> I have a microSD that I used with my blackberry for awhile that I want to repurpose for Raspbmc... trying to format the card in Windows and it says its write protected... Is there a way around this?
[1:17] <Meatballs> is there a little switch on the side of the adapter?
[1:17] <neofutur> theres is probably a switch on the sd card adaptor for write protection
[1:17] <Meatballs> I have a little switch on the side of my normal SD card which I have assumed is write protect?
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[1:18] <moegreen> nevermind i just checked my ssh2_config and x11 forwarding is set to yes...What else is stopping it from showing up on my monitor?
[1:19] <traeak> moegreen: check troubleshooting section of rpi at http://elinux.org
[1:19] <traeak> ohoh
[1:19] <traeak> try ssh -X from client as well
[1:20] <traeak> make sure yo have xorg-xauth installed
[1:21] <ntwrk_keith> hmm let me check
[1:21] <ntwrk_keith> nah i dont see anything
[1:21] <ntwrk_keith> oh wait
[1:21] <ntwrk_keith> i do!
[1:22] <ntwrk_keith> THANKS!
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[1:24] <chbg> i want to take a handful of mediawiki xml dumps i harvested and import them into my own mediawiki installation within my r-pi to be accessed locally. what are my options in terms of lightweight web servers and database engines? my initial thoughts were sqlite for the database engine, and nanohttpd, but i don't know much in that regard.
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[1:32] <ntwrk_keith> hmm
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[1:33] <ntwrk_keith> anyone running raspbmc? i cant do startx
[1:33] <ntwrk_keith> doesnt load the gui
[1:34] <amelia_> ntwrk_keith: I installed otno the card, never needed startx, GUI came up fine
[1:36] <ntwrk_keith> really?
[1:37] <ntwrk_keith> hmmm
[1:37] <amelia_> really. Got the image recommended at the bottom of the post at http://www.raspbmc.com/2012/06/release-candidate-2/
[1:38] <amelia_> used ImageWriter (.img to bootable disk utility) to write it to the SD card, then put the card in the Pi, and all was goof
[1:38] <amelia_> good
[1:39] <ntwrk_keith> i have win32diskimager-binary... would that be able to do the same thing?
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[1:41] <amelia_> Couldn't say - what's your OS?
[1:42] <amelia_> try http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[1:43] <ntwrk_keith> it looks like its going to work
[1:43] <ntwrk_keith> Windows on this particular machine,
[1:43] <ntwrk_keith> Thanks for your help, time to test the image
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[1:49] <ntwrk_keith> looks like its failing to boot on this image
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[1:50] <chbg> have you updated the firmware?
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[1:52] <sraue> ntwrk_keith, maybe you should try OpenELEC, images you can find http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/ and http://sparky0815.de/2012/06/raspberry-pi-openelec-image-vom-12-06-2012-downloaden-r11290/
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[1:54] <ntwrk_keith> not heard of it, is it similar to raspbmc?
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[1:54] <ntwrk_keith> i'm looking for a media center type image
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[1:54] <sraue> its smaller, more optimized, hardfp, a bigger project
[1:55] <sraue> and more recent software
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[1:55] <amelia_> ntwrk_keith: RapbBMC = OpenELEC + XBMC
[1:56] <sraue> amelia_, thats not true
[1:56] <amelia_> oh?
[1:56] <sraue> OpenELEC is a own distro for XBMC
[1:56] <sraue> it has nothing todo with raspbmc
[1:56] <sraue> raspbmc = debian + xbmc
[1:56] <amelia_> Well, my RaspBMC RC2 image has OpenELEC splash :/
[1:56] <ntwrk_keith> hmm well my first problem might be the fact that my 2GB microSD is showing up as 60mb in Windows :(
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[1:57] <sraue> amelia_, really?
[1:57] <dirty_d> ntwrk_keith, thats ok
[1:57] <dirty_d> well, if youve already messed with it
[1:58] <amelia_> sraue: yup. hence my saying that - and my obvious confusion :(
[1:58] <dirty_d> its not seeing the linux partitions
[1:58] <ntwrk_keith> yeah disk management sees 1.65gb unallocated
[1:58] <sraue> amelia_, maybe you have openelec installed?
[1:58] <amelia_> sraue: if I wanted to grab that kvarley openelec image, would I need to tinker with it at all? or just (1) image to SD card (2) SD card into Pi, (3) power on? :)
[1:58] <dirty_d> im gonna download this openelec
[1:58] <amelia_> sraue: I've not touched it, it's the default image they offered.
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[1:59] <sraue> amelia_, show me a photo/video from boot
[1:59] <amelia_> sraue: Give me a couple of minutes
[1:59] <bfdb> amelia_: no raspbmc = debian + xbmc, openelec is something else entirely
[2:00] <dirty_d> openelec is better?
[2:00] <bfdb> that depends
[2:00] <dirty_d> on whqat
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[2:01] <bfdb> it's a hell of a lot more lightweight, but performance wise I hear conflicting reports
[2:01] <sraue> openelec uses a newer kernel, based on bootc's work, also its hardfp
[2:01] <bfdb> some say openelec is better, others raspmbc
[2:01] <bfdb> but if you're trying openelec, you might also want to try dark elec, which is just open elec with optimisations for the pi
[2:01] <amelia_> sraue / bfdb - give me a sec to convert/upload the video. Boot is from the stock image advised for download at the bottom of the post on http://www.raspbmc.com/2012/06/release-candidate-2/
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[2:02] <bfdb> amelia_: If that's the case, then you should email the developer of raspbmc and tell him he's put the wrong splash up
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[2:03] <sraue> bfdb, openelec is optimized too, darkelec contains preinstalled addons, some more wlan drivers, and they have disabled the RSS feed per default to get a faster GUI
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[2:03] <bfdb> sraue: indeed
[2:04] <ntwrk_keith> well raspbmc aint working so i'll try openelec
[2:05] <dirty_d> im gonna try darkelec
[2:05] <dirty_d> i cant see that im going to use this for anything but playing movies so it seems the best fit
[2:05] <dirty_d> ive got archlinux on it now
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[2:05] <zgreg> hm, does raspberrypi.org work for you?
[2:06] <ratherDashing> if does omxplayer take up ~25% CPU and ~30% memory playing a 720p video and passing the audio
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[2:06] <birdontophat> I gave openelec a go but there were a few problems, I'm trying raspbmc but can't get wireless to work
[2:06] <bfdb> zgreg: nope
[2:06] <ratherDashing> for anyone else?
[2:06] <bfdb> zgreg: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/raspberrypi.org
[2:07] <ntwrk_keith> its just so early... all new images and nothings really stable yet
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[2:07] <bfdb> accelerated x would be nice
[2:07] <ntwrk_keith> i want to use mine as a media center as well dirty_d
[2:07] <amelia_> Ok, for some reason it's upside down, but... http://melktert.net/temp/raspbmc_boot.ogv
[2:08] <amelia_> apologies for it being upside-down :S
[2:08] <ntwrk_keith> I definitely dont see that on my screen amelia_
[2:08] <ntwrk_keith> wth
[2:08] <amelia_> however you can clearly see the openelec splash screen, and it says something about openelec at the top...
[2:08] <amelia_> it's an OpenELEC version number
[2:08] <ntwrk_keith> what os you use to image the SD card?
[2:08] <bfdb> amelia_: how big is the partition?
[2:09] <amelia_> bfdb: I just put the image I linked to on a 4GB SD card
[2:09] <sraue> amelia_, its openelec, but a older version because of the "result = 1" message on boot
[2:09] <amelia_> Ah, right
[2:10] <bfdb> so how did you manage to think you were downloading and installing raspbmc?
[2:10] <amelia_> sraue: should it still be showing that then, or not? And what advantages would that openelec image you linked to have?
[2:10] <amelia_> bfdb: because the image on that card is the one at http://download.raspbmc.com/downloads/bin/ramdistribution/installer-testing.img.gz
[2:11] <amelia_> Recommended from the RaspBMC RC2 post at http://www.raspbmc.com/2012/06/release-candidate-2/
[2:11] <amelia_> ("So, now, I?d recommend you re-image your SD card with this installer image here and let me know how it goes!") -- so I did. And what I've posted is what I see on boot.
[2:11] <bfdb> are you sure you didn't download both and mix them up in your downloads dir?
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[2:12] <sraue> amelia_, its a newer xbmc, which can be in certain cases a bit more problematic, because of a big merge from xbmc-master, the newer builds have also a newer kernel with higher sdcard transferrates, also some stuff like a very early CEC daemon
[2:12] <amelia_> bfdb: I'm certain. I can also tell my left foot from my right :O
[2:12] <sraue> amelia_, you must try if it works for you, if not stick on this build
[2:12] <shirro> amelia_: that is ok. I am in Australia and the video looked right to me
[2:12] <bfdb> but you can't tell up from down
[2:12] <tech2077> microcenter has great sd cards
[2:12] <tech2077> class 10 8gb for ~$7
[2:13] <bfdb> so what?
[2:13] <sraue> amelia_, tomorrow i will release a newer build with some updated sdcard stuff, in the hope more sdcards will work
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[2:14] <amelia_> bfdb: I held a phone up quickly to get the video. It's 1:12am. I wasn't that bothered what way I was holding the phone, it looked absolutely fine until I converted it. So sue me :/
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[2:15] <ntwrk_keith> this image aint working
[2:15] <ntwrk_keith> i tried on a known good SD card that loaded debian
[2:15] <bfdb> ntwrk_keith: was it an img file or an installer?
[2:15] <ntwrk_keith> .img file
[2:15] * bfdb sues amelia_ for $20,000
[2:15] <ntwrk_keith> and I used w32imager on Windows 7
[2:15] <bfdb> ntwrk_keith: try again
[2:16] <ntwrk_keith> I tried 2 separate SD cards
[2:16] <bfdb> try again
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[2:16] <ntwrk_keith> this is raspbmc btw
[2:16] <amelia_> bfdb: that's what, about ?2? lol
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[2:16] <ntwrk_keith> any rason i would be trying again?
[2:16] <ratherDashing> if the gpu is the part decoding the mkv, anyone know why it takes 25% of the cpu?
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[2:17] <SpeedEvil> sound
[2:17] <blkhawk> io?
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[2:18] <dirty_d> all of the above
[2:18] <dirty_d> remember it is a 700Mhz cpu
[2:19] * SpeedEvil wishes OMAP5 boards were available.
[2:19] <dirty_d> i cant play a movie with dts audio
[2:19] <dirty_d> i have to reencode to ac3
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[2:20] <bfdb> dirty_d: subtitles
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[2:20] <dirty_d> fortunately that only takes 3-5 minutes on my main pc
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[2:20] <dirty_d> im not using subtitles
[2:20] <bfdb> use them
[2:21] <dirty_d> hmm?
[2:22] <ratherDashing> i'm using passthrough for audio
[2:22] <ratherDashing> having my receiver decode it
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[2:23] <ntwrk_keith> i think im just going to wait until raspbmc matures
[2:23] <zabomber> YEEEEEEEEEEEES! i got my rasppi this morning
[2:23] <ntwrk_keith> there are no clear instructions for installing openelec on windows
[2:24] <blkhawk> zabomber: congrats
[2:24] <IT_Sean> Congarats zabomber
[2:24] <bfdb> ntwrk_keith: it is easy, someone made img files if you want a link
[2:24] <ntwrk_keith> if you dont mind
[2:24] <sraue> ntwrk_keith, simply write the *.img file to the card
[2:24] <bfdb> http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[2:24] <zabomber> i haven't been this excited since i was a kid
[2:24] <ntwrk_keith> i'm a newb at all things linux right now
[2:25] <bfdb> zabomber: prepare yourself for the ensuing disappointment
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[2:25] <blkhawk> ntwrk_keith: it comes down to downloading a premade image and copying it byte by byte to the sd card
[2:25] <IT_Sean> :/ don't be negativitist
[2:25] <bfdb> IT_Sean: He's gone to work it out eventually
[2:26] <blkhawk> drat
[2:26] <ntwrk_keith> bfdb: lol, i understand that, i'm using the same installer that was recommended to install debian and raspbmc didnt work
[2:26] <blkhawk> I thinki broke my raspbian sd card
[2:26] <bfdb> blkhawk: how?
[2:26] <blkhawk> not sure
[2:26] <bfdb> did you snap it?
[2:26] <blkhawk> the fs is all messed up
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[2:26] <blkhawk> nono
[2:27] <blkhawk> its software broke not hardware broke
[2:27] <bfdb> are you with hexxehs or pisces?
[2:27] <blkhawk> ntwrk_keith: it worked for me wheni tried it last
[2:27] <blkhawk> hmm that image would have been hexxehs
[2:27] <ntwrk_keith> :/
[2:28] <blkhawk> ntwrk_keith: can you post the link you used to download the image?
[2:28] <zabomber> bfdb: why do you say that?
[2:28] <ntwrk_keith> for raspbmc? the same one amelia used
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[2:28] <ntwrk_keith> [20:09:30] <+amelia_> bfdb: because the image on that card is the one at http://download.raspbmc.com/downloads/bin/ramdistribution/installer-testing.img.gz
[2:28] <blkhawk> ah
[2:29] <amelia_> ...which is the release candidate image recommended by RaspBMC.com :)
[2:29] <blkhawk> I used a different openelec image onmy sd
[2:29] <blkhawk> but i can see what it gets me
[2:29] <bfdb> ntwrk_keith: use the kvarley link I gave you
[2:30] <ntwrk_keith> for openelec?
[2:30] <ntwrk_keith> im gonna try that now
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[2:31] <bfdb> zabomber: peripheral issues, the fact you can't power virtually anything over usb without the pi panicking, And even when you use a powered hub, it still manages to suck power through
[2:31] <bfdb> zabomber: lack of accelerated x, so you can't run anything gui
[2:32] <bfdb> zabomber: lag and repetition with wireless peripherals,
[2:32] <blkhawk> bfdb: gui works ok with a cpu @ 900mhz and some sd card hacks
[2:32] <blkhawk> not great mind you
[2:32] <blkhawk> just ok
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[2:32] <zabomber> bfdb: fair points. i wasn't expecting much though for $40....
[2:33] <blkhawk> zabomber: the raspberry will likely get excelent supports sooner rather than later - too many people poking at it
[2:33] <bfdb> zabomber: I hope you're a linux guru, otherwise it's going to be a long and bumpy journey
[2:33] <friggle> bfdb: plenty of non-linux gurus seem to be muddling along and enjoying themselves just fine
[2:33] <zabomber> bfdb: im not bad with linux. i run distros at home and work ;) thanks for your input though. ill keep it in mind
[2:34] <zabomber> all in all im quite excited ;) off to play. cheers boyz
[2:34] <blkhawk> ya
[2:34] <blkhawk> the raspberry already has much better wlan support than my dockstar
[2:34] <blkhawk> at a much reduced power draw overall
[2:34] <bfdb> blkhawk: Yeah but you shouldn't really be recommending overclocking by 30% to get rid of lag
[2:34] <blkhawk> i could drop it in with how the raspbian images are now
[2:35] <blkhawk> bfdb: why not? it is educational and there is a near zero chance of doing any harm
[2:35] <bfdb> near zero? hmm
[2:35] <blkhawk> yes
[2:35] <bfdb> okay then
[2:35] <blkhawk> worst that can happen is filesystem corruption
[2:36] <blkhawk> and thats a bit of a stretch really
[2:37] <ntwrk_keith> debian image worked again
[2:37] <ntwrk_keith> openelec image did not
[2:37] <sraue> ntwrk_keith, you have a different sdcard to try?
[2:37] <Syliss> oc'ing the cpu can burn it out faster
[2:37] <ntwrk_keith> i have 2
[2:37] <ntwrk_keith> 1s an 8gb
[2:38] <ntwrk_keith> the other a 2gb
[2:38] <bfdb> Syliss: I don't think he's overvolting
[2:38] <blkhawk> bfdb: technically he is correct
[2:38] <blkhawk> however even when overvolting by the amounts setable
[2:38] <Syliss> it causing more heat and the gpu is right there as well
[2:38] <ReggieUK> over volting is what will do the damage
[2:38] <IT_Sean> No... overVOLTing the CPU will kill it faster.
[2:39] <blkhawk> no it wont do much damage
[2:39] <IT_Sean> overCLOCKing without overvolting will not
[2:39] <blkhawk> IT_Sean: overclocking without overvolting raises cpu temperature slightly
[2:39] <blkhawk> however these cpus are running so cool
[2:39] <blkhawk> even overvolted
[2:39] <IT_Sean> Even OVing shouldn't noticibly shorten the CPU life
[2:39] <blkhawk> and are speccd so high temperture wise
[2:40] <ratherDashing> it's also $35
[2:40] <IT_Sean> That too
[2:40] <IT_Sean> But, be aware that OCing will NOT void the warrent,y but OVing will.
[2:40] <blkhawk> IT_Sean: yes, he said shorten not noticeably shorten - so he is technically correct
[2:40] <ratherDashing> i bet not using it will make it last longer
[2:40] <Syliss> true that its only $35 but its still hard to buy another atm
[2:41] <blkhawk> ratherDashing: ya and storing it near 0k
[2:41] <ratherDashing> yeah by the time you burn through the darn thing there should be more
[2:41] <Syliss> one would hope
[2:41] <Syliss> i want a model a to go with my b
[2:41] <blkhawk> ratherDashing: by the time you burn through the cpu from overclocking we will have flying cars and nuklear fusion
[2:41] <Syliss> lol
[2:42] <blkhawk> sooo
[2:42] <blkhawk> I will unabashedly recommend overclocking
[2:42] * IT_Sean does plan to OV and OC his
[2:42] <bfdb> eben said everyone at the foundation overvolts
[2:42] <Syliss> i plan to oc as well
[2:42] <blkhawk> I will also add a little radiator just because it makes it go faster
[2:42] <Syliss> lulz
[2:42] <blkhawk> :D
[2:43] <IT_Sean> Hey, remember, a raspi sticker adds 50 mhz
[2:43] <IT_Sean> :p
[2:43] <blkhawk> anyway mine goes to 900 without an overvolt - however undervoling is not possible at that speed
[2:43] * IT_Sean wants to break the 1GHz mark
[2:43] <ratherDashing> i have mine at 800 no problems
[2:43] <ratherDashing> i haven't tried 900
[2:43] <Syliss> that would be nice at 1ghz
[2:43] <blkhawk> also i am the crazy person who ran the emmcat 250mhz :D
[2:44] <bfdb> hexxehs raspbian comes 800 out the box
[2:44] <ratherDashing> i'm on the first pisces image
[2:45] <Syliss> i need to find another sd card and test more images
[2:45] <bfdb> ratherDashing: ditto
[2:45] <ratherDashing> anyone know why openbox starts as a user but lxde doesnt?
[2:45] <bfdb> ratherDashing: my pisces has been up 5 days
[2:46] <ratherDashing> i rebooted on sunday because there was a new firmware
[2:46] <Syliss> well bbl have to go buy food
[2:46] <bfdb> ratherDashing: add startx to the startup
[2:46] <zgreg> blkhawk: well, that won't be needed anymore
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[2:46] <ratherDashing> i'm talking about when i run "startx" as a user, openbox runs, not lxde
[2:46] <zgreg> 1 ghz with dom's recommended settings works fine here
[2:46] <blkhawk> zgreg: well i overclocked a testbuild to 100mhz after that
[2:46] <blkhawk> zgreg: oh what are those?
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[2:47] <bfdb> ratherDashing: you might aswell scrap lxde anyway, xfce runs better
[2:47] <zgreg> posted on the forums somewhere
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[2:47] <zgreg> #arm_freq=1000
[2:47] <zgreg> #over_voltage=6
[2:47] <zgreg> #arm_freq=1000
[2:47] <zgreg> #core_freq=500
[2:47] <zgreg> #sdram_freq=500
[2:47] <blkhawk> oh?
[2:47] <zgreg> oops, double arm_freq
[2:47] <blkhawk> hum
[2:48] <bfdb> do we have a benchmarking system
[2:48] <blkhawk> zgreg: so it runs twice as fast ;)
[2:48] <blkhawk> bfdb: not really
[2:48] <bfdb> blkhawk: we should start one
[2:48] <blkhawk> the sdcard used to be the biggest bottleneck
[2:48] <blkhawk> hdparm was enough to test that
[2:49] <zgreg> the sd card fixes are now in the standard 3.1 kernel
[2:49] <bfdb> but what about a 3d rendering test, would sd still bottleneck that?
[2:49] <zgreg> if you have a capable card, you'll hit 20 MB/s with hdparm -t
[2:49] <blkhawk> zgreg: oh? I hope they work cause all fixes so far got me a painfully slow sd speed
[2:49] <zgreg> yes, they should work, but testing is appreciated
[2:49] <bfdb> zgreg: Does raspbian have it?
[2:49] <blkhawk> i managed to hit 20mb/sec in low speed mode
[2:50] <zgreg> just run rpi-update
[2:50] <blkhawk> i am reimaging my image
[2:50] <bfdb> ugh, but then I'd have to reboot :(
[2:50] <zgreg> and don't forget to remove that emmc overclocking setting
[2:50] <blkhawk> will test in a bit
[2:50] <zgreg> emmc runs at just 50 mhz now
[2:50] <bfdb> my beautiful ticker would be ruined http://pi.dnsd.me/
[2:51] <ReggieUK> no 25Mhz zgreg?
[2:51] <amelia_> bfdb: whilst the new image booted a lot quicker, alas, it spazzed out when I tried to view a YouTube video.
[2:51] <zgreg> ReggieUK: huh?
[2:51] <bfdb> amelia_: as it should
[2:51] <zgreg> ReggieUK: 50 MHz is just the base clock
[2:51] <ReggieUK> oh i see :)
[2:52] <bfdb> maybe ReggieUK means 250Mhz
[2:52] <ReggieUK> I thought by that statement you meant that it was locked to 50Mhz
[2:52] <ratherDashing> haha i get 4 megs a second on my class 6 SD card
[2:52] <ReggieUK> and nope bfdb, I really did mean 25Mhz :)
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[2:52] <bfdb> ratherDashing: thats typical before the fix
[2:53] <ratherDashing> is the fix in the bootc kernel or the official kernel?
[2:53] <amelia_> bfdb: oh? worked ok on the other image
[2:53] <zgreg> ratherDashing: the official kernel
[2:53] <bfdb> amelia_: it's telling you to get off youtube
[2:53] <ratherDashing> oh cool, i rebooted on sunday, was there a push since then?
[2:53] <zgreg> yeah, today
[2:54] <ratherDashing> cool, running rpi-update right now
[2:54] <bfdb> zgreg: is there a changelog?
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[2:54] <ratherDashing> god bless screen, best console program in the history of console programs
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[2:54] <bfdb> ratherDashing: you should run an apt-get update & upgrade before that
[2:54] <zgreg> bfdb: well, sure, on github.com/raspberrypi
[2:55] <ratherDashing> bfdb: yeah i do an update and a dist-upgrade before i do rpi-update usually
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[2:55] <ratherDashing> i'm on rasbian
[2:55] <amelia_> ratherDashing: indeed
[2:56] <ratherDashing> i love how the files download so quick and then the cpu just chugs and chugs processing them, and then says i downloaded it at like 100k! :)
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[2:56] <bfdb> has anyone else noticed a trend with websites defaulting to https even when you don't need to login?
[2:57] <blkhawk> yes
[2:57] <blkhawk> a good thing
[2:57] <zgreg> that's a good trend
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[2:57] <ratherDashing> prolly to encrypt the cookie so you can't steal the session like you can with facebook
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[3:00] <amelia_> wb IT_Sean
[3:02] <IT_Sean> thx
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[3:18] <blkhawk> ok
[3:18] <blkhawk> my VPS is down
[3:18] <amelia_> Aww
[3:18] <blkhawk> annoing
[3:18] <amelia_> reboot?
[3:18] <blkhawk> "Service is administratively disabled."
[3:18] <blkhawk> unpossible
[3:18] <blkhawk> wrote a service request
[3:18] <moegreen> hey guys how can i can check my network speed on my pi? I thought this thing had 100mbps but i am doing an scp right now and only getting 1.4MB/s
[3:18] <blkhawk> anyway
[3:18] <moegreen> want to make sure my pi is running at the full 100
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[3:19] <blkhawk> moegreen: the network is attached via USB
[3:19] <NucWin> and scp has lots of overhead
[3:19] <blkhawk> also ssh is fairly cpu limited
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[3:19] <blkhawk> oh
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[3:19] <blkhawk> just reimaged my raspbian sdcard
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[3:20] <moegreen> is there something other than scp i can use? doesnt need to be secure..just transferring via command line
[3:20] <ratherDashing> yeah that makes sense, i use my pi as a ssh socks proxy to browse at work and at ~600k it's pegging at 50-60%
[3:20] <blkhawk> 20mb/sec buffered
[3:20] <ratherDashing> moegreen: samba, nfs, ftp
[3:20] <blkhawk> 161mb/sec cached :D
[3:20] <blkhawk> mc
[3:21] <NucWin> i would try ftp if you want more speed
[3:21] <moegreen> k th
[3:21] <moegreen> thx
[3:22] <ratherDashing> nfs is pretty low overhead and it comes preinstalled on debian
[3:22] <blkhawk> smb is a bit slow
[3:22] <blkhawk> nfs is better
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[3:23] <ratherDashing> yeah smb is slow but super awesome for a house with two laptops and a wife who doesn't know how to use anything else :)
[3:25] <blkhawk> i like the new kernel
[3:25] <blkhawk> lets see if i can make the sdcard go faster
[3:25] <zgreg> blkhawk: neato
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[3:25] <ratherDashing> yeah i'm going to reboot tonight to boot up the new kernel
[3:25] <blkhawk> zgreg: I noticed the card still reports running at 25mhz
[3:25] <zgreg> oh?
[3:25] <ratherDashing> my wife is currently watching the bachelorette on the pi :)
[3:25] <blkhawk> ya
[3:25] <zgreg> where does it do that?
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[3:26] <blkhawk> erm a sec - running dist-upgrade
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[3:26] <zgreg> because that's simply not possible (unless you messed with the emmc clock again, which you really shouldn't do with the new kernel)
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[3:27] <blkhawk> zgreg: csd gets me this: 400e00325b5900007b7d7f800a400000
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[3:27] <blkhawk> 32 is 25mhz mode if i remember correctly
[3:27] <zgreg> meh
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[3:27] <zgreg> no, that's not how it works
[3:27] <blkhawk> i did not set the emmc clock yet
[3:28] <blkhawk> zgreg: I thought it was from reading the sdcard spec
[3:28] <blkhawk> if this is wrong i blame ReggieUK
[3:28] <zgreg> I did write a rather detailed forum post on that
[3:29] <zgreg> basically, the TRANS_SPEED value depends on the currently configured transfer mode
[3:29] <blkhawk> yes
[3:29] <blkhawk> thats what i meant
[3:29] <blkhawk> the status is show
[3:29] <blkhawk> ah my VPS is back
[3:29] <zgreg> the CSD dump you get in sysfs is what the kernel read when the card was initialized, before switching to high-speed mode
[3:29] <blkhawk> a sec
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[3:29] <blkhawk> zgreg: OOOOH!
[3:29] <zgreg> so it ALWAYS reports 32 for TRANS_SPEED
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[3:29] <blkhawk> :D
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[3:29] <blkhawk> brb
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[3:30] <blkhawk> much better
[3:30] <blkhawk> zgreg: it makes soo muchmore sense now
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[3:31] <ReggieUK> zgreg, so the sysfs csd dump is stale data?
[3:31] <ReggieUK> meh
[3:31] <ReggieUK> that's all a bit clearer now kind of
[3:32] <zgreg> mount -t debugfs none /sys/kernel/debug
[3:32] <zgreg> cat /sys/kernel/debug/mmc0/ios
[3:32] <zgreg> that's much more useful and correct data
[3:32] <ReggieUK> awesome
[3:32] <ReggieUK> thanks
[3:32] <zgreg> ReggieUK: yes, basically
[3:33] <ReggieUK> so how does the controller know whether to switch into default/high speed/sdr50 etc.?
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[3:33] <blkhawk> zgreg: IO wish i had known about this wheni was doing my crazy sdcard experiments
[3:33] <zgreg> there's a dedicated command for querying and setting transfer mode and other elementary settings
[3:33] <zgreg> look for CMD6 in the specs
[3:34] <ReggieUK> I saw it say something about 32/5a and cmd0/cmd6
[3:34] <ReggieUK> but thought that they were only done when the card was inited
[3:34] <blkhawk> ReggieUK: the debugfs output is very verbose and easy to read
[3:34] <ReggieUK> and of course trusted the csd data
[3:34] <ReggieUK> my pi isn't on right now
[3:34] <ReggieUK> but I will play with it tomorrow
[3:35] <ReggieUK> many thanks for clearing that up zgreg!
[3:35] <blkhawk> you have a message
[3:35] <blkhawk> :D
[3:35] <ReggieUK> thx
[3:36] <ReggieUK> how we know how you're getting 50Mhz speeds when the card is reporting 25Mhz :D
[3:36] <ReggieUK> now*
[3:36] <blkhawk> eerm
[3:36] <blkhawk> its not overclocked now
[3:36] <blkhawk> this is stock
[3:36] <blkhawk> the card driver is finally functional
[3:36] <ReggieUK> I know it is
[3:37] <ReggieUK> the issue was with reading the tran_speed data that was stale
[3:37] <blkhawk> lets try overclocking it
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[3:38] <blkhawk> well we figured out two days ago that the value was chaning
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[3:41] <zgreg> haha, what. via's APC can be preordered. the device is $49. shipping is $38.
[3:42] <ratherDashing> i don't know why someone would want to run android on a $50 pc
[3:42] <blkhawk> zgreg: :)
[3:43] <zgreg> this really looks like via wasn't really able to get the price down to the promised $49
[3:44] <zgreg> i.e. you actually pay a hefty markup with the shipping
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[3:46] <blkhawk> hah!
[3:46] <blkhawk> Timing buffered disk reads: 66 MB in 3.00 seconds = 22.00 MB/sec
[3:46] <ReggieUK> might as well have sold it for $1 and done $87 shipping
[3:46] <bfdb> is that legal?
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[3:47] <blkhawk> zgreg: the debugfs is stale too
[3:47] <jardiamj> Hello guys, I think I need some help
[3:48] <zgreg> blkhawk: how so?
[3:48] <jardiamj> I just downloaded and tried to install the new kernel from bootc.net
[3:48] <jardiamj> and now my RPi refuses to boot
[3:48] <blkhawk> zgreg: I OC'd the emmc
[3:49] <blkhawk> :D
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[3:49] <zgreg> blkhawk: the kernel doesn't know about that. there's no way to query the actual clock. the kernel assumes a hardcoded clock value.
[3:50] <blkhawk> ah
[3:50] <blkhawk> ok
[3:50] <blkhawk> good to know
[3:50] <blkhawk> i am testing how high it will go (tm)
[3:50] <blkhawk> trying 75mhz
[3:51] <jardiamj> when I couldn't get my Pi to boot, I plugged the card to my laptop and tried to copy the old kernel back to /mnt/boot but I don't know what happened and now the system partition seems corrupted,
[3:51] <jardiamj> I can't mount it
[3:51] <bfdb> jardiamj: reimage your backup
[3:51] <blkhawk> jardiamj: did you run rpi-update after installing?
[3:52] <jardiamj> I run it before installiing
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[3:53] <jardiamj> there is something funny about my card, because if I try plug it to my laptop and write to it, the partition gets busy and then I can't umount it...
[3:53] <evantravers> that is odd.
[3:53] <jardiamj> and if I remove it I can't mount it back
[3:53] <jardiamj> but if I put it in RPi it will work fine again..
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[3:54] <jardiamj> but not this time, because it doesn't boot..
[3:55] <jardiamj> any ideas why that could be?.. I will have to reimage my card but, it seems odd
[3:55] <evantravers> have you reimaged it before?
[3:56] <jardiamj> no...
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[3:59] <blkhawk> ok 1000 doesn't rallywotk for me
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[4:07] <ReggieUK> zgreg, just read your forum post mentioning the debugfs stuff, first time I've looked on the forums all day :D
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[4:11] <jardiamj> I checked dmesg, and this is what I get, can somebody take a look at it please?
[4:11] <jardiamj> http://pastebin.com/bEgBdBm9
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[4:12] <ratherDashing> well you guys were right, the sd and usb read speeds have greatly increased with this new kernel
[4:13] <ratherDashing> although it didn't change my user experience too much
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[4:13] <ratherDashing> but the hdparm tests run better! :)
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[4:19] <blkhawk> well when the sdcard isn't bottlenecking the cpu is
[4:19] <blkhawk> in X thats mainly because of the missing acceleration
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[4:20] <jardiamj> well... I guess I don't have other option but reimaging the card... I had some python code there, but what the heck..
[4:22] <blkhawk> jardiamj: my card gets eaten all the time
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[4:24] <jardiamj> I imagine... it my fault, I should have back that up before attempting a kernel update..
[4:25] <jardiamj> but well... that will teach me, I hope...lol
[4:25] <blkhawk> also i think the reboot scripts aren't setup right
[4:25] <blkhawk> I had it eat my config txt twice now
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[4:29] <jardiamj> yep, that happened to me several times also..
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[4:29] <jardiamj> what if you sync before rebooting
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[4:29] <blkhawk> it should do that by itself
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[4:30] <jardiamj> I think that's what happened with my card
[4:30] <jardiamj> I apparently copied the kernel into /mnt/boot/
[4:30] <jardiamj> but after reboot it refused to boot...
[4:31] <jardiamj> when I plug the card to my laptop the kernel.img wasn't there
[4:31] <ReggieUK> did you update the modules too?
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[4:35] <blkhawk> i am pretty sure the reboot script doe something wrong
[4:36] <jardiamj> yes I did ReggieUK
[4:36] <jardiamj> I'm reimaging now
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[4:40] <blkhawk> libXmuu.so.1.0.0 might be broken
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[5:31] <mikey_w> Do the kernel sources need a binary blob or are the all gpl?
[5:31] <mikey_w> they
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[5:33] <Tiksi> So I was thinking of a way to get a bootloader menu onto the rpi, though I still have some doubts.
[5:34] <Tiksi> I was thinking of having it boot into a basic runtime with just a menu that then replaced config.txt and rebooted
[5:34] <Tiksi> but then I realized that would only work once
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[5:36] <Xark> Tiksi: I believe there is a way for a kernel to boot another kernel, but not sure if this is "working" for RPi. This would be what you would want (then the boot kernel can pop up a menu or whatever).
[5:37] <GabrialDestruir_> It's probably a bad sign if the cord for my laptop is heating up where it plugs into the PC, huh?
[5:37] <Xark> Tiksi: Random google search finds this, which sounds "close" http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-linux-bootloader.php
[5:38] <Xark> GabrialDestruir_: Power cable (or USB with power)?
[5:38] <GabrialDestruir_> Power cable
[5:39] <Xark> GabrialDestruir_: Ahh, doesn't sound good (but it is normal for PC laptop power bricks to get fairly warm...but I wouldn't think the cord).
[5:40] <GabrialDestruir_> I think there's a short cause it's not charging properly either.... only charges if it's twisted a certain way. Sucks too because I needed the laptop this weekend, and there's no way I can get a replacement cord in time.
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[5:41] <Tiksi> hmm, yeah that seems promising, however it wouldn't allow you to use different memory profiles for different OSes
[5:41] <mikey_w> Indicates some resistance at the connection.
[5:42] <mikey_w> Not good.
[5:42] <Xark> Tiksi: You mean because it can't boot non-linux OSes?
[5:43] <GabrialDestruir_> Definitely not Good, I'm tempted to try using it through the weekend and order a cord and have it arrive monday... but I'm a bit worried about the damage it could do to the battery .-.
[5:43] <Xark> GabrialDestruir_: Perhaps remove the battery (if you will on AC)?
[5:43] <Xark> ^be
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[5:44] <Tiksi> Xark, no, I'm thinking along the lines of not being able to change the GPU/CPU memory allocation since that's handled in config.txt and would be set before the "bootloader" kernel boots
[5:45] <GabrialDestruir_> Maybe if the cable were stable enough...
[5:45] <Xark> Tiksi: Ok, but seems that isn't an insurmountable problem. Just set a "flag" and reboot (then when it sees the flag set [or set and not matching memory config], just keep booting the target OS with correct image).
[5:46] <Tiksi> hmm, that makes sense. I'll see if I can get that kernel running on my pi
[5:47] <Xark> Tiksi: You will have to have a tiny bit of "state" saved to boot partition, but I suspect you would need something like that anyways (current "boot preferences").
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[5:47] <Xark> Tiksi: Cool. Good luck, as this would be very handy. :)
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[5:54] <Syliss> So how's the OC'ing and OV'ing going?
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[6:14] <Xark> Anybody know why Debian would have this issue (noticed in syslog): ntpd[604]: frequency file /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift.TEMP: Permission denied
[6:15] <Xark> Should I manually hack the perms?
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[6:18] <ThantiK> Anyone know where I can get info on the 2 ribbon connectors on the raspberry pi? My google-fu is failing me.
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[6:20] <Xark> ThantiK: The GPIO connector is documented I don't believe the others are (and they aren't useful without firmware changes, supposedly).
[6:21] <ThantiK> Just found this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1254 but no info on it.
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[6:22] <Xark> ThantiK: I think your best bet is http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals (the "official" wiki as linked from raspberrypi.org).
[6:23] <ThantiK> ah, that gives me a little more info. One is a DSI (Display Serial Interface) and the other a Camera Serial Interface.
[6:24] <Xark> ThantiK: Yep
[6:24] <ThantiK> So of course, seeing as those both tie into the GPU, and broadcom hates us, that's why info is so hard to find.
[6:25] <Xark> ThantiK: Yes, even with compatible devices, the Broadcom CPU firmware would need changes (i.e., binary blob). The RPi people are supposedly working on releasing some supported items at some point.
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[6:25] <ThantiK> Yeah, well that's cool then. At least I know work is being done on display devices and camera devices. That makes me plenty happy.
[6:26] <ThantiK> Largely, I just want a big, fat, bulky, handheld linux device with a 8000mAh battery strapped to the back.
[6:27] <ThantiK> with the Pi sandwiched inbetween the display and the battery =P
[6:27] <Xark> ThantiK: There are already pictures showing the prototype camera (to show they are working on it now).
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[6:27] <ThantiK> Yeah, I ran across those. Good stuff. :)
[6:27] <Xark> ThantiK: The RPi runs great from battery (I got 4:25 with 2000 mAh x2). However, the display is the issue.
[6:30] <ThantiK> I've got outlets all around me all the time. I'll take nearly any hurt coming my way just to have something under 6", 2lbs, with a full linux toolchain and access to putting a wifi dongle in monitor mode. (I wardrive a lot)
[6:30] <Xark> ThantiK: I haven't heard the RPi people officially mention working on a display. You could put one on GPIO (probably not a fast option - forget GPU graphics etc), but portable "HDMI" gets pricey.
[6:30] <ThantiK> Yeah, I found a couple drivers for TFT displays that work on gpio
[6:31] <Xark> ThantiK: You could get a LCD "serial terminal", X would require drivers etc.
[6:31] <Xark> ThantiK: Depending on your needs, a S-video "car" LCD may be acceptable.
[6:32] <Xark> (since the composite port isn't too bad on an LCD monitor - just not super hi-res)
[6:32] <ThantiK> yeah, I've been playing around with the I2C/SPI interfaces - there are drivers out there and code I'd just need to port over.
[6:32] <ThantiK> I'm wondering if there are any small displays that could natively take a DVI signal
[6:32] <Xark> ThantiK: You want graphics (i.e., X)?
[6:32] <ThantiK> Largely, yes.
[6:33] <Xark> ThantiK: Sure, I just think they are expensive (and don't get too small).
[6:33] <ThantiK> My pi is started up with X, PekWM, Conky, Tint2 in just under 8mb of ram
[6:33] <ThantiK> I've got plenty of headroom for the stuff I need.
[6:34] <Xark> I wonder if a USB monitor would be useful (those are pretty cheap and have a standard interface that I believe Linux can support)...
[6:35] <ThantiK> I have a couple laying around, but I believe the drivers for them are binary blobs
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[6:35] <ThantiK> Seeing as ARM isn't big endian (or...is it big endian and intel is little endian?) it probably wouldn't work.
[6:36] <ThantiK> So, it does look like liliput produces an 800x480 screen that takes DVI input.
[6:36] <ThantiK> and reports that it supports 1920x1080, and scales it down in hardware.
[6:36] <ThantiK> That's...interesting.
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[6:38] <Xark> ThantiK: The endian doesn't "matter" over USB (the driver can just deal with it as needed - and ARM has some instructions for that).
[6:38] <Xark> ThantiK: Yeah, lots of monitors like that I think (just not "cheap" relative to RPi).
[6:39] <Xark> However, with 800x480 you are already pretty much composite. :)
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[6:40] <ThantiK> 'eh. Composite is 320x240
[6:40] <Xark> Is 13" too big? Just get a thin desktop monitor with vesa mount and "don't mount it" (tuck the pi in the spot).
[6:40] <trevorman> ARM can be both BE and LE. Not sure whether the BCM2835 can do it though as they might have chopped those parts out *shrug*
[6:40] <Xark> ThantiK: No, 720x480i (with 704 visible). :)
[6:40] <ThantiK> dvi->composite?
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[6:41] <ThantiK> Yeah, 13" = too big. Not looking for tablet size, more like 4"-7" screen size...I seem to have found something that works though.
[6:41] <Xark> ThantiK: RPi has built in composite out, just plug it into TV. :)
[6:41] <trevorman> Xark: the USB displays you're thinking of are displaylink. They should work on the RPi as people have plugged them into routers before that were reflashed with OpenWRT
[6:42] <Xark> trevorman: Thanks, that is what I thought.
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[6:43] <ThantiK> I think I've got my monitor: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lilliput-7-SKD-Open-Frame-Touch-Screen-VGA-Monitor-HDMI-DVI-Input-669GL-/300694283713?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item4602c6a5c1#ht_1451wt_1396
[6:44] <ThantiK> although, 11-13v is a little bleh. I'll have to use a boost converter.
[6:45] <ThantiK> It's closer to tablet size, but whatever. I should be able to 3D print a nice enclosure that holds the pi, power, etc.
[6:45] <trevorman> hmm. probably uses the 12V for the backlight. rest of the display must want 5V or 3.3V
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[6:46] <ThantiK> Kinda wish there were a 5" model that accepted DVI input.
[6:47] <ThantiK> Also, I'm pretty sure the analog connector on the rpi is component output
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[6:47] * Xark notes RPi is little endian (and while ARM is "bi-endian", typically you can't switch in user mode [and perhaps not in kernel mode even]).
[6:47] <ThantiK> not composite.
[6:47] <ThantiK> meaning 320x240
[6:47] <ThantiK> not 480i
[6:47] <Xark> ThantiK: Well, I am even more sure you are incorrect. :)
[6:48] <ThantiK> sec, I've got composite cables, and a TV that supports it.
[6:48] <ThantiK> I had been hooking up into my component input and getting video.
[6:48] <trevorman> Xark: why do you care about endianess anyway?
[6:48] <trevorman> on the RPi
[6:48] <ThantiK> trevorman: I was talking about the displaylink drivers.
[6:48] <trevorman> ah
[6:49] <trevorman> it won't care
[6:49] <trevorman> USB is USB. its fixed
[6:49] <Xark> trevorman: I don't, but somebody mentioned it. :) However, I did want to know what endian RPi was.
[6:49] <Xark> trevorman: I totally get it is irrelevant to a USB driver (i.e., just another thing to deal with as needed). :)
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[6:50] <trevorman> only place that you might care would be for the expansion connector but thats really oddly distributed anyway so you're not going to be just writing 8 bits at a time
[6:50] <Xark> trevorman: You can anytime you interchange binary data (i.e., quite often). :)
[6:50] <Xark> care*
[6:50] <trevorman> htons
[6:51] <Xark> trevorman: That is one (slow) way, yes.
[6:51] <trevorman> should be portable though :)
[6:52] <Xark> trevorman: Indeed, and more than sufficient in most cases. However, I would be disappointed if a device driver was calling that to swab data (if it was performance critical - like a display driver). :)
[6:52] <trevorman> I was more referring to external interfaces though
[6:52] <trevorman> the GPIOs have been assigned really oddly
[6:52] <trevorman> they're not consecutive
[6:53] <Xark> trevorman: Yes, they mentioned some oddness due to routing constraints.
[6:53] <Xark> (on the PCB)
[6:53] <trevorman> yeah. figured that was the reason along with some of them have been set into some alternative function
[6:53] <Xark> trevorman: Yes, pin choices are often "forced".
[6:54] <trevorman> another layer on the PCB would have been nice but that would have make it quite a bit more expensive :|
[6:54] <trevorman> even just breaking out all the unused GPIOs to some TPs would have been nice
[6:55] <Xark> trevorman: Yeah, but at least they shipped something (or are in the process). :) No doubt they will be able to take more care on any future revisions (and they already mentioned wanting to rev the board to fix a few "bummers").
[6:57] <ThantiK> I'm kinda waiting on a 512mb version myself. Even at increased cost.
[6:58] <ThantiK> The one I'm working on belongs to a co-hackerspace member.
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[6:58] <trevorman> idk. increase the cost too much and you might as well buy something like a pandaboard or one of the other boards
[6:59] <trevorman> or the many many many allwinner things which seem to have appeared all of a sudden
[7:00] <ThantiK> beagleboard only has 128mb of ram @$150
[7:00] <ThantiK> APC is the closest thing, and it doesn't have GPIO
[7:00] <Xark> No doubt there will be many more choices in the "cheap computer" space after RPi success (and the RPi people are probably not the best for that market).
[7:00] <trevorman> yeah
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[7:01] <ThantiK> GPIO is a huge factor for me.
[7:01] <Xark> ThantiK: Yeah, me too. I already am using the TTY serial (works great with Arduino FTDI cables/breakouts). :)
[7:01] <ThantiK> As the beagleboard will largely supplant the Arduino Uno for hacking @ my hackerspace.
[7:01] <ThantiK> oops, the pi
[7:01] <McGooch> Yes, R-Pi has proved there is a demand. Others will enter the space.
[7:02] <trevorman> hopefully we'll get SoCs that actually have some public docs -.-
[7:02] <Xark> ThantiK: Well, it depends on the application. I personally don't want to wait for Linux to boot to see my LEDs blink. :) However, Ethernet shield is "toast" . :)
[7:03] <ThantiK> I sped up the arch distro a lot. No reason to halt on clock, network, etc.
[7:03] <ThantiK> I opened up the rc.conf and backgrounded a bunch of startup tasks.
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[7:03] <Xark> ThantiK: Still, I don't *want* an OS for many low-level projects. RPi booting from SD is a huge "failure mode".
[7:04] <ThantiK> I can agree there.
[7:04] <Xark> ThantiK: However, RPi is still awesome. :) That is kind of unfortunate...
[7:05] <ThantiK> At the same time, it's a nice double-edged sword.
[7:05] <ThantiK> You can't screw something up so much that you can't just reflash the sd card.
[7:05] <ThantiK> or pop the SD card into another machine and fix it via the filesystem.
[7:05] <Xark> ThantiK: Yes, hard to brick. However, flash with a few protected blocks would have been so much nicer (but I am sure would have added cost etc.)
[7:06] <Xark> Arduino is pretty hard to brick in my experience (but not impossible...)
[7:06] <ThantiK> short of hardware failure, the atmega chips are basically impossible to "brick"
[7:07] <trevorman> you shouldn't be able to brick an AVR. not without actually damaging it via overvoltage or whatever
[7:07] <trevorman> the worst you can do is turn off ISP but you can fix that with a HV programmer
[7:07] <ThantiK> They don't need the bootloader they are typically loaded with
[7:07] <Xark> ThantiK: I am great with onboard SD, I am just not trilled about the "BIOS" being on it or it is a brick. :)
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[7:07] <Xark> thrilled*
[7:08] <ThantiK> Well, the Pi can boot sans OS if you want too
[7:08] <Xark> trevorman: Right, but the average Arduino user needing an ISP is the same as "bricking". :) No doubt Motorola can fix "bricked" phones with special equipment too... :)
[7:08] <ThantiK> at least, that's what my research has led me to believe.
[7:08] <ThantiK> Xark, you can recover an arduino with another arduino and the "Arduino as ISP" sketch.
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[7:09] <ThantiK> no special hardware needed.
[7:09] <trevorman> my view of the word "brick" is that its completely dead dead anyway :P
[7:09] <ThantiK> I use my uno to program ATTiny45s on a regular basis.
[7:09] <trevorman> what ThantiK said. AVR ISP programmers are cheap anyway
[7:10] <Xark> ThantiK: I am aware (and have done so), but still that is a "hacker skill" and should ideally never be needed (short of hardware failure).
[7:10] <trevorman> somebody has made a HV programming shield as well I think
[7:10] <ThantiK> I disagree. If you've got an Arduino in hand...chances are you're already in that "hacker skill" zone you talk about
[7:10] <trevorman> the STM chips have a USB bootloader I believe
[7:11] <Xark> ThantiK: It is a reasonable fallback for Arduino, but it is no "feature". :)
[7:11] <trevorman> hmm or not
[7:11] <trevorman> something recent has a USB bootloader
[7:11] <ThantiK> LPCXpresso?
[7:11] * Xark notes it is also a real PITA with Uno R3s (very tricky reset timing and capacitor needed....)
[7:11] <trevorman> ThantiK: yeah probably thinking of that
[7:12] <ThantiK> I just recently went to the STM seminar in my area for an F0 board. Still have yet to play with it.
[7:13] <ThantiK> Largely the same thing applied. I met many people who used their F0 boards USB programmer to program their other F[X] boards.
[7:13] <trevorman> Xark: buy an mbed if you want easy to use and nonbrickable
[7:13] <RITRedbeard> silly question; why are all the linux distros now very user friendly?
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[7:13] <Xark> ThantiK: I have a STM32F4 Discovery board. Haven't done too much with it either, but it is pretty nice with accelerometers and such (for like $16 I think).
[7:13] <trevorman> RITRedbeard: thats a bad thing?
[7:13] <RITRedbeard> debian 6 live cd supports all my hardware except my wireless
[7:13] <RITRedbeard> it does oss at init I think
[7:14] <ThantiK> I bet it supports your wireless too.
[7:14] <Xark> trevorman: One of the few MCUs I don't have (not a fan of "cloud" development). :)
[7:14] <trevorman> wireless is a crapshoot anyway
[7:14] <trevorman> Xark: you can compile using gcc locally
[7:14] <RITRedbeard> supposedly there is a driver for it
[7:14] <ThantiK> Largely with wireless, if it's "not supported", I hit up the gentoo forums, they tell me what I need to modprobe and blacklist, and wham, I'm there.
[7:15] <trevorman> wireless tends to need annoying binary blobs or drivers to be loaded into the dongle
[7:15] <Xark> trevorman: Yes, but it is still overpriced verses other boards IMO. I did look at it (I have way more MCUs than free time anyways). :)
[7:16] <trevorman> it is pretty expensive but you do get a lot of features and its in theory easy to use. I don't have one so can't confirm that part
[7:16] <ThantiK> Just something about the gentoo guys and hardware... =P
[7:16] <trevorman> lpcxpresso if you want cheap :)
[7:16] <ThantiK> I'd like to start seeing the reprap firmwares move away from the AVR platform tbqh
[7:17] <trevorman> yeah
[7:17] <Xark> trevorman: I may yet get one, but since I had the Pi "on order" I thought I would wait.
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[7:17] * Xark is also very curious about Arduino Due
[7:18] <ThantiK> I'm thinking with a GPIO expander, the pi could handle STL slicing, motor control, the whole bit.
[7:18] <Xark> ThantiK: No doubt, unless it is super time critical stuff (in which case Linux may not be suitable).
[7:18] <trevorman> idk. i'd probably still have some cheap uC to actually drive the motors
[7:18] <ThantiK> There are RTOS linux kernels
[7:19] <Xark> ThantiK: They suck. :)
[7:19] <trevorman> rtlinux is dead
[7:19] <ThantiK> which are fine for motor control, seeing as they do it with CNC routers.
[7:19] <ThantiK> Pretty much anyone that runs EMC2 will tell you.
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[7:19] <trevorman> not sure how well they'd work on the rpi anyway
[7:19] <trevorman> the architecture of the soc is slightly odd with the gpu
[7:20] <ThantiK> just need step/direction pulses, generally the driver takes care of microstepping, etc.
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[7:20] <Xark> trevorman: Yeah, I think if you needed some cheap CPU cycles and a decent HDMI disaplay (and OS) RPi shines. If you just need CPU cycles, there are other choices.
[7:21] <RITRedbeard> what if you compiled minimalist distro for the pi?
[7:21] <hermanhermitage> cortexm0
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[7:21] <ThantiK> Largely, CNC control doesn't require a lot of cycles. If a 16mhz AVR can handle it...the pi can. :)
[7:21] <RITRedbeard> Tiny Core Linux
[7:21] <RITRedbeard> or LFS
[7:21] <trevorman> the AVR is very predictable for timing and interrupt latency though
[7:22] <Xark> RITRedbeard: No doubt you could do whatever with custom Linux hacks. If you put your app "in the kernel", then you are only limited by hardware (and NDAs...).
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[7:22] <hermanhermitage> AVR is also very easy to write asm for
[7:22] <Xark> hermanhermitage: ARM is easy too (but if you get Linux APIs into the picture...not so much).
[7:22] <ThantiK> reprap firmwares aren't written in asm, they're all C++
[7:22] <hermanhermitage> arm is easy but exact cycle counting much easier on AVR
[7:22] <trevorman> doing that with Linux and especially the the GPU in the RPi doing its own things in the background using the same L2 + RAM will be more difficult
[7:23] <ThantiK> interesting point that I hadn't thought of.
[7:23] <trevorman> even if you're not using it, the GPU does some unspecified maintenance tasks
[7:23] <hermanhermitage> and it controls l2 and memory
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[7:23] <trevorman> you can't disable it completely or dedicate the whole 256MB to the ARM core
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[7:24] <Xark> hermanhermitage: Yes, forget cycle accurate on any CPU with a cache (without flushing it etc. - mostly not feasible for general OS). However, doing timing with NOPs isn't for beefy CPUs (add an AVR ATTiny for that stuff).
[7:24] <hermanhermitage> Xark: possible on arm see rbox, but not easy
[7:24] <Xark> hermanhermitage: Yeah, I understand the issues.
[7:25] <ThantiK> Well, TIL then. Didn't know more powerful CPUs gave up cycle accuracy
[7:25] <hermanhermitage> my only gripe about the AVR is the Load from program memory, gets 1/2 or 1/3rd the bandwidth it should
[7:25] <hermanhermitage> lpm
[7:25] <trevorman> easier to just add a couple dirt cheap uCs which get commanded by your main system to do something. you'd reduce load on the main CPU also.
[7:25] <RITRedbeard> it has to do with the design of decreasing propigation delay I think... gets down into physics
[7:26] <Xark> hermanhermitage: Often you have DMA and stuff, so you don't need cycle accurate on fancier CPUs (to allow e.g., "software" video generation with <2% overhead is possible on PIC32 and probably some ARMs).
[7:26] <RITRedbeard> although I heard the Allwinner A10 (Cortex) can clock way down which makes no sense from what I've learned.
[7:26] <hermanhermitage> Xark: or just a shift register with a hard clock
[7:26] <RITRedbeard> Anyone else joining the Lapdock crew? :)
[7:27] <Xark> hermanhermitage: Yep, (same as adding AVR hardware pretty much).
[7:27] <RITRedbeard> I want to try propeller stuff
[7:28] <RITRedbeard> the weird embedded with the multi-cores?
[7:28] <hermanhermitage> i got a propeller, a AVR and a pic kit for doing video generation
[7:28] <hermanhermitage> i must say the AVR is just the nicest
[7:29] <RITRedbeard> I saw some projects on hackaday where the propeller did some heavy duty stuff for embedded chip
[7:29] <trevorman> the compilers for propeller hide a lot of the underlying details
[7:29] <Xark> RITRedbeard: I have a Quickstart board (dirt cheap). I hooked some simple hardware to it and it does generate a nice NTSC display (and VGA too I think). :) Not a big fan of "SPIN" but the asm is decent (as long as you fit in ~500 istructions).
[7:29] <RITRedbeard> Whoa. See? Not too bad.
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[7:30] <hermanhermitage> anyone got a heads up on the videocore iv isa?
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[7:31] <trevorman> you willing to sign your soul over to broadcom? :P
[7:31] <jardiamj> I just reimaged my SDcard and I'm trying to use rpi-update, but it gives me this message: /boot/start.elf doesn't exist.
[7:31] <hermanhermitage> trevorman: :P
[7:32] <trevorman> not sure you could even get those docs
[7:32] <hermanhermitage> looking for re
[7:32] <hermanhermitage> or if someone runs hexrays over Metaware
[7:32] <Xark> hermanhermitage: Even if you did get docs, the firmware is no doubt signed (due to codecs etc.).
[7:33] <hermanhermitage> Xark: yeah do objdump and check out the crypto section
[7:33] <RITRedbeard> hermanhermitage, I think we have some sort of interface
[7:33] <jardiamj> I think it is because I'm using the wheezy minimal image from bootc.net
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[7:33] <RITRedbeard> I had some links on it but now my bookmarks are unmanagable
[7:33] <Xark> hermanhermitage: While "the key is in the box", it can be quite difficult to get out (i.e., objdump trick is unlikely to be useful).
[7:34] <hermanhermitage> RITRedbeard: yeah there is a mailbox from arm to vc
[7:34] <hermanhermitage> Just curious, I write a closed source gfx driver for one of the videologic chips
[7:34] <RITRedbeard> if only we could get a fast bus on one of these ARM devices
[7:34] <hermanhermitage> write=wrote
[7:34] <RITRedbeard> like mini pciexpress 1x
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[7:34] <RITRedbeard> that'd be enough
[7:34] <trevorman> hermanhermitage: best bet is to dig around and see if you can find anything from the older Alphamosaic chips
[7:35] <hermanhermitage> sure the I/II seem to be 16bit integer DSP
[7:36] <hermanhermitage> and dont haev the 3d pipe. see the pipe here http://www.faqs.org/patents/imgfull/20110242113_05
[7:36] <jardiamj> should I have to modify Hexxeh rpi-update to use it with bootc image?
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[7:36] <jardiamj> in his image the boot partition is mounted on /mnt/boot
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[7:37] <Xark> jardiamj: Hmm, that sounds familiar, I think I may have had to do that. I suspect that the OS was slightly different that was using hexxeh or something.
[7:39] <ThantiK> hah, so I just found largely something I can hack into what I would like - something called the "Zipit Z2" instant messenger. 32mb of ram, 312mhz xscale processor, 320x240 screen, wifi, usb, can be hacked to throw angstrom/debian on it. =P
[7:39] <ThantiK> for $34, so it's cheap too. =P
[7:40] <Xark> Nice. :)
[7:40] <jardiamj> I'll take a look at the script and see..
[7:40] <Xark> jardiamj: Looking at my (current) distro (official Debian), it doesn't look like i had to modify it.
[7:41] <Xark> jardiamj: But it is /mnt....hmm
[7:41] <Xark> I mean /boot
[7:41] <jardiamj> ok, in mine start.elf is under /mnt/boot/
[7:42] <jardiamj> this is what I get when I run rpi-update
[7:42] <jardiamj> /boot/start.elf doesn't exist.
[7:42] <hermanhermitage> which image was that?
[7:42] <hermanhermitage> i ran it on the latest debian and it ran straight thru
[7:43] <Xark> jardiamj: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/issues/4
[7:43] <jardiamj> but as I said, it's not there because the boot partition is mounted under /mnt/boot
[7:43] <Xark> jardiamj: THere is a workaround...
[7:44] <hermanhermitage> jardiamj do you have a /boot ?
[7:44] <hermanhermitage> (in addition to /mnt/boot)
[7:44] <jardiamj> yes I do have a /boot
[7:44] <jardiamj> but there isn't and start.elf there
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[7:45] <ThantiK> Xark: I can confirm, rpi cannot do composite.
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[7:45] <Xark> ThantiK: What are you talking about?
[7:45] <RITRedbeard> Wait, it can't?
[7:45] <jardiamj> they are suggestion to just create and empty start.elf there..
[7:45] <ThantiK> http://elinux.org/RPi_Screens
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[7:46] <jardiamj> but I'm not sure that's the right work around...
[7:46] <ThantiK> argh, nvm
[7:46] <ThantiK> I'm not brain good
[7:46] <Xark> ThantiK: OK, I see that link, what are you taking about (it is the first bullet...). :)
[7:46] <jardiamj> because it's in a different location, or how does it work
[7:46] <Xark> ThantiK: No worries. Tried coffee? :)
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[7:47] <Xark> ThantiK: I tried it on my (cheap) LCD TV the other day and the console was quite readable (not as many chars as HDMI, but > 80x25 I believe).
[7:48] <hermanhermitage> i can only use composite
[7:48] <Xark> hermanhermitage: Do you know the resolution? Do you find it readable?
[7:48] <ThantiK> what resolution is that?
[7:48] <hermanhermitage> Xark: I am sampling composite on a DC60 TV in device - its not pretty!
[7:49] <Xark> hermanhermitage: Hehe.
[7:49] <hermanhermitage> so i enable SSH etc
[7:49] <netman87> :( still nothing about my RPi
[7:50] <stev> emergency, please help. I accidentally remove a component from the rpi board. please see the photo: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35616101/rpi_broken.JPG
[7:50] <stev> I have not used a soldering iron for a long time.
[7:50] <ThantiK> btw, an awesome "trick" is to use the USB connection on the back of a modern TV to drive the pi :)
[7:50] <Xark> ThantiK: Can you not try with a TV and RCA cable? I *could* reboot and take a picture, but it is 480i I am fairly certain (which in my experience [as a video game professional] typically means 704x480 with ~15% lost to overscan).
[7:51] <hermanhermitage> ThantiK: its a bit below that with the default overscan
[7:51] <ThantiK> Xark: I think you might be right. That pi logo is awfully detailed.
[7:51] <hermanhermitage> let me fire the damn thing up again
[7:51] <ThantiK> stev, solder it back on.
[7:51] <hermanhermitage> stev: there is a good video on youtube on soldering
[7:52] <Xark> hermanhermitage: Sure they need to be conservative. We avoid all but 85% for "important" info.
[7:52] <hermanhermitage> i'm stoked it does composite
[7:52] <hermanhermitage> stev: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4
[7:53] <hermanhermitage> stev: take it slow and watch the vid
[7:53] <stev> hermanhermitage: thanks. It's hard to me. The legs of that component are short. Do you have any advices?
[7:53] <ThantiK> add wires.
[7:54] <hermanhermitage> stev: i'm a complete klutz, i tend to go to the hardware store and talk one of the kids into doing that kind of thing
[7:54] <Xark> stev: Ouch. Does look fairly fixable even without great solder skills (but it is small).
[7:54] <RITRedbeard> I wish someone would make little metallic Pi stickers like the Intel badges on laptops and such
[7:54] <hermanhermitage> stev: if you know someone that does "mod" chips for playstation then they can help you
[7:54] <RITRedbeard> would be cool
[7:54] <hermanhermitage> stev: (as in they will have the requisite skills with sldering iron)
[7:55] <ThantiK> Lucky the traces aren't lifted.
[7:55] <stev> hermanhermitage: good. I think i know what to do. thx.
[7:55] <stev> Xark: I can solder. But it's so small.
[7:55] <hermanhermitage> stev; looks awkward as there isnt any room
[7:56] <Xark> stev: Use a fine tip low watt iron, perhaps put a tiny bit of solder on the contacts, then hold the component over it (maybe a small piece of tape) and heat one pin then the other (try to be somewhat quick). Then if you can hold it still for a sec, you should be good. :)
[7:56] <hermanhermitage> stev: someone with a rework (hot air) could fix that very quick for you
[7:56] <ThantiK> as long as they know what they're doing.
[7:56] <Xark> Yeah, you could easily drop off a few more parts... :)
[7:58] <Xark> stev: A bummer no doubt, but I think it could have been a lot worse. One pin is the edge (so no problem getting to it) and a enough of a gap on the other side to make it fairly doable. Of course if you don't trust your skills, you may want to locate a "friendly hacker" nearby...
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[7:59] <hermanhermitage> ok trying to boot this up to work out the res, sitting here juggling composite input devices and what not
[7:59] <stev> Xark: I see. thanks a lot.
[7:59] * Xark is happy with his RPi, but it doesn't strike him as very mechanically robust (I treat mine as delicately as if it is were a real pastry). :)
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[8:01] <Xark> stev: One issue may be the pins on the capacitor are so short. You could maybe extend them a bit (like [carefully] twist a bit of fine wire onto them - and make sure a bit of solder flows to the twist).
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[8:05] <hermanhermitage> ThantiK: 656x416
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[8:05] <hermanhermitage> booting up into a dubious EasyCAP caoture card, configured to an unknown setting (ie pal or nstc)
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[8:07] <Milos> BogoMIPS : 1099.36 woot woot
[8:08] <ThantiK> hermanhermitage: thanks, I think that resolution is _more_ than enough then.
[8:10] <hermanhermitage> i'm pretty sure it will do any safe rectangle inside 720x576 (pal) or 720x480 (nstc)
[8:11] <hermanhermitage> but out of the box the debian image i'm using has the config files for that 656x416 (just small enough to make some of the default window sizes awkward :) )
[8:12] <hermanhermitage> as to quality, it is somewhere between and Apple II and a Mac book pro (retina) (heh ie i cant tell with this input device)
[8:13] <Xark> ThantiK: If your LCD TV supports it (most cheap ones are PAL/NTSC these days), use PAL since you won't notice 50hz flicker on LCD (and get more res and possible slightly better color definition than NTSC).
[8:14] <Xark> hermanhermitage: Hehe, thanks for clearing up the quality question for us. :)
[8:14] <hermanhermitage> yeah :P
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[8:14] <hermanhermitage> maybe some MPAL signal is possible later
[8:14] <mcfundash> hey all
[8:15] <hermanhermitage> yo
[8:15] <mcfundash> gueas what!
[8:15] <mcfundash> this is my first time here!
[8:15] <hermanhermitage> you eating pi? :P
[8:15] <mcfundash> anyways, totday I got on a role overclocking
[8:16] <DaQatz> !w
[8:16] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Thu Jun 14 10:43:00 2012. Temp 16??C. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 100%, Later 25??C - 10??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[8:16] <mcfundash> and these are my current stats :D very proud
[8:16] <mcfundash> arm_freq=1125
[8:16] <mcfundash> gpu_freq=538
[8:16] <mcfundash> sdram_freq=513
[8:16] <mcfundash> over_voltage=8
[8:16] <DaQatz> Oi
[8:16] <Milos> :DDDDDDDD
[8:17] <Milos> I set my overvoltage to 7, arm freq to 1100
[8:17] <mcfundash> I figured the life of the Pi while it may be reduced won't matter since worst case scenario it ends up lasting like 2 years instead of 10 or 20
[8:17] <mcfundash> I had no Idea I could actually more than DOUBLE the gpu!
[8:17] <Milos> increasing sdram seemed to cause lockups or at least that's what it looks like
[8:17] <mcfundash> same
[8:17] <Milos> since I don't use gpu I didn't change it (headless box)
[8:18] <Xark> mcfundash: So how does Quake3 run now?
[8:18] <Milos> though someone said it still increases performance because it's on the same chip
[8:18] <Milos> but I beg to differ
[8:18] <mcfundash> I couldn't go about 500 for awhile and I slowly got it to 513 but thats it
[8:18] <hermanhermitage> the gpu you probably wont know until it runs a heavy load
[8:18] <Milos> mcfundash, what's your method of stress-testing?
[8:18] <mcfundash> I have not installed quake yet, I've been using glxgears to benchmark/stress but I definitly need something better
[8:18] <Milos> :P
[8:19] <Milos> I just compile stuff.
[8:19] <Milos> if it segfaults, change settings :P
[8:19] <mcfundash> would just compiling a bunch of repeating code work?
[8:19] <Milos> if you compile it for hours
[8:19] <Milos> I guess. :P
[8:19] <mcfundash> like if you copy/pasted the same thing for 2000 lines
[8:19] <Milos> I was compiling ncurses, it took like an hour
[8:19] <mcfundash> ?
[8:20] <Milos> I dunno
[8:20] <DaQatz> I'm compiling webkit
[8:20] <mcfundash> like a hello world program
[8:20] <mcfundash> huh
[8:20] <hermanhermitage> you probably need prime95+highbitrate h256 + shaders to really test it
[8:20] <mcfundash> is glxgears good?
[8:20] <Milos> you're better off using a real benching program
[8:20] <DaQatz> Have been for a few days now.
[8:20] <Milos> LOL
[8:20] <DaQatz> Not joking
[8:20] <hermanhermitage> 95% of the gpu pipe is going to be shut down unless you are running video + shaders
[8:20] <mcfundash> I mainly used glx gears to compare framerate but it did show full load
[8:21] <mcfundash> so idk if its good for stress
[8:21] <Milos> lol
[8:21] <Milos> there mine goes
[8:21] <Milos> kernel panic, not syncing
[8:21] <Milos> looks like overvoltage 7 1.1GHz is no good
[8:21] <Milos> was compiling gpsd
[8:21] <Milos> coz I needed it >_>
[8:21] <DaQatz> Volt to 8
[8:22] <Milos> ok, will do :D
[8:22] <mcfundash> yea I had to goto 8 at about 1090
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[8:22] <Xark> mcfundash: Get Quake3 or somethiing, gears is not a good test.
[8:22] <mcfundash> are there binaries for quake yet?
[8:22] <mcfundash> I hate compiling sh*t
[8:22] <Milos> has anyone here noticed that kernel panics are extremely deadly
[8:22] <mcfundash> they are?
[8:22] <Milos> I basically need to rewrite my OS every time it happens
[8:23] <Milos> because it keeps corrupting the SD card
[8:23] <Milos> -_-
[8:23] <mcfundash> not for me
[8:23] <Milos> yeah it will just be my crap SD card
[8:23] <DaQatz> Yeah OC crashes will do that
[8:23] <Xark> mcfundash: You could also just add a "for loop" to the supplied "hello_triangle" sample to draw (say) 1000 textured cubes a frame also. This will grind the GPU to a crawl (I did this to see how hot it would get).
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[8:24] <mcfundash> btw, I have a small fan (about 80mm not sure exactly) attatched to the GPIO, not sure if it really helps but it makes me feel better about heat
[8:25] <Milos> lol!
[8:25] <jardiamj> hahahahaaha
[8:25] <Milos> mine doesn't get thaat hot
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[8:25] <mcfundash> I had to rearrange the polarity but the header perfecly connects from 5v to gnd
[8:25] <ThantiK> stev: I just found some interesting information that pertains to you
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[8:26] <mcfundash> what?
[8:26] <DaQatz> Mine running at 850 is just warm to the touch.
[8:26] <ThantiK> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#A_part_broke_off - looks like you can run w/o that cap
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[8:27] <mcfundash> how does this pertain to me?
[8:27] <mcfundash> or were you talking to someone else?
[8:27] <hermanhermitage> mcfundash: like this
[8:27] <Xark> DaQatz: The chip never gets hot until you stress the GPU.
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[8:27] <hermanhermitage> <username>: msg
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[8:27] <hermanhermitage> so thantik was talking to "stev"
[8:27] <mcfundash> ???
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[8:28] <mcfundash> ok...
[8:28] <hermanhermitage> just a sort of convention on irc
[8:28] <ThantiK> ...I did put "stev:" in front of my previous sentence.
[8:28] <Milos> DaQatz, no overvolt?
[8:28] <Xark> DaQatz: I am not overclocked or anything, but I was able to get it "hot" (but not burning hot) by running the above cube test overnight (but my Pi did fine - no issues).
[8:28] <mcfundash> ahh I see
[8:28] <hermanhermitage> ThantiK: yeah i think mcfundash is new to irc
[8:28] <DaQatz> No overvolt
[8:28] <Milos> Nice.
[8:28] <hermanhermitage> mcfundash: there is also a way of sending private messages
[8:28] <Milos> Is it definitely stable DaQatz ?
[8:28] <DaQatz> yeap
[8:28] <mcfundash> I used to be an irc adict but haven't touched it in awhile
[8:29] <Milos> Nice. As they were rated for 800Mhz right?
[8:29] <DaQatz> Been compiling on it for 6 days none stop now.
[8:29] <hermanhermitage> yeah me too, not for 10 years
[8:29] <mcfundash> I'm going to re-setup my pi right now, (I did the overclocking at a computer repair shop I'm interning at so my pi is actually packed up now)
[8:30] <Milos> Ok here we go, compiling gpsd with overvolt at 8 and 2 simultaneous jobs at 1.1GHz. Let's see if it manages.
[8:30] <Milos> So far so good.
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[8:30] <Xark> DaQatz: I ran overnight at 2.0 loadavg, but it never got too warm doing that. The GPU seems to be the heat generator (not surprising).
[8:31] <DaQatz> Yeah no surprise.
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[8:32] <stev> ThantiK: Thanks. I was away from keyboard. Saw your message now.
[8:32] <stev> Xark: Thanks good advice.
[8:32] <hermanhermitage> stev: should be a relief :) just make sure u have a stable power unit
[8:33] <mcfundash> I turn my back for one second and my SD card suddenly does not exist...
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[8:34] <mcfundash> I thought it was plugged into the Pi but noooo
[8:34] <Milos> Oh that's excellent, because I don't use the GPU.
[8:34] <Milos> re: heat generator
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[8:34] <stev> hermanhermitage: I saw the page. I will try boot rpi without that component. If bad thing happened, well...buy a new rpi.
[8:34] <mjr> oh no, conservation of matter is broken!
[8:34] <hermanhermitage> mjr: previously scientists had a hint with all the missing socks
[8:35] <mcfundash> and pens
[8:35] <hermanhermitage> (but now proven!)
[8:35] <hermanhermitage> haha
[8:35] <Milos> Oh, I have a question. I don't know how/when this started happening but I only noticed it after I switched SD cards.
[8:35] <Milos> When I boot the pi, and plug in a PHYSICAL keyboard and use the console, the keys sometimes lag.
[8:35] <zabomber> anyone bought an SD on ebay? if so, got a link? i need a new one...
[8:35] <Milos> Like.
[8:36] <Milos> Lag so bad that they never show up.
[8:36] <Milos> And I lose keystrokes.
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[8:36] <zabomber> Milos: this is why im asking about type of SD's to buy...
[8:36] <Milos> But it can't possibly be related.
[8:36] <Milos> I just only noticed it after that.
[8:36] <Milos> But yeah, go SanDisk :P
[8:36] <hermanhermitage> unless a particular SD is doing spurious interrupts
[8:36] <Milos> I'm using cheap Apacers at the moment.
[8:36] <Milos> They are killing me.
[8:37] <Milos> They corrupt way too often.
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[8:37] <hermanhermitage> i'm using kingston in an adapter
[8:37] <Milos> I should check vmstat to see the number of interrupts.
[8:37] <hermanhermitage> i put the lag down to my video capture card :P
[8:38] <Milos> wohoo compiled
[8:38] <Milos> with 1.1GHz overvolted 8
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[8:46] <DaQatz> Ooo webkit is into it's linking stage, it's nearly done.
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[8:51] <itsjareds> Has anyone tried Raspbian? Is it better or worse than OpenElec?
[8:52] <itsjareds> (for the purpose of running xbmc)
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[8:52] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[8:52] <Markavian> 'morning
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> itsjareds, I'm running Raspbian, but I don't use that new fangled media stuff ...
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[8:54] <itsjareds> gordonDrogon: oh, I have the regular debian image on mine, would it be possible to just add the raspbian repository to sources.list to make it more or less the same?
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> itsjareds, no - you need everything again from scratch.
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[8:55] <gordonDrogon> itsjareds, so if you have a 2nd SD card then you can fetch and install it just like the regular debian.
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> the binaries are not compatable.
[8:56] <itsjareds> gordonDrogon: alright, fair enough. just trying to see if I could save some time :p thanks for the help.
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspbian.org/
[8:57] <DaQatz> !channel #raspbian
[8:57] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspbian - Hard float Debian chat room.
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[8:57] <gordonDrogon> right shower time. laters!
[8:57] <itsjareds> Oh wow, was not aware of the channel. I'll head there.
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[8:59] <DaQatz> kk webkit-gtk takes 4 days to compile on the pi.
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[9:01] <SLFCore> greetings
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[9:02] <mcfundash> ok back so I need to reqwrite both my SD cards
[9:02] <mcfundash> neithe boots
[9:02] <mcfundash> -_-
[9:02] <SLFCore> anyone using the recent DarkELEC distro for Pi?
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[9:03] <mcfundash> unfortunately I didn't even download the image on this computer so I have to redownload it *sigh*
[9:04] <mcfundash> ;_; at least its summer so I don't have to worry about school in the morning :)
[9:04] <mcfundash> has anyone tried my settings and succeded?
[9:04] <mcfundash> hello?
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[9:05] <mcfundash> whered everyone go?
[9:06] <mcfundash> anyone here
[9:06] <Xark> Hello.
[9:06] <mcfundash> aha a person!
[9:06] <mcfundash> everyone was talking 5 mins ago now suddenly its almost silent here :/
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[9:07] <mcfundash> ...
[9:07] <Xark> It happens. :) I am about to go to sleep myself.
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[9:07] <mcfundash> well im staying awake
[9:07] <mcfundash> so ha
[9:07] <mcfundash> sucks2beme
[9:08] <mcfundash> wait thats does suck...I'll tell everyone my results tomorrow though
[9:08] <SLFCore> mcfundash: what distro are you using on the pi?
[9:08] <mcfundash> debain squeeze
[9:09] <SLFCore> many packages are out dated on the official raspberry pi debian distro
[9:09] <mcfundash> would something else be better? I was thinking of switching to Arch
[9:09] <SLFCore> http://raspbian.org/
[9:09] <mcfundash> I see
[9:09] <mcfundash> is it really better?
[9:10] <ironzorg> arch > *
[9:10] <SLFCore> its better to first use arch on a normal computer and then use it on the pi
[9:10] <SLFCore> raspbian is debian wheezy (testing)
[9:10] <SLFCore> so most of the packages are up to date
[9:10] <mcfundash> I am already pretty good with linux I can handle arch
[9:10] <ironzorg> agreed with SLFCore, I wouldnt recommend diving into arch without having a bit of experience with it
[9:10] <ironzorg> mcfundash: "begin good with linux" doesnt mean much
[9:10] <mcfundash> ironzorg: you are saying arch is better than everything?
[9:10] <ironzorg> I'm not saying you arent, of course
[9:11] <SLFCore> then its good. but again...there are way more packages for debian then there are for arch
[9:11] <SLFCore> but what will you be using raspberry pi for?
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[9:11] <SLFCore> it all depends
[9:11] <ironzorg> thats so wrong SLFCore
[9:11] <ironzorg> theres not more packages for debien than there is for debian
[9:11] <ironzorg> *at all*
[9:11] <mcfundash> for the moment I'm just expierementing, currently with overclocking
[9:11] <mcfundash> I might make it into an HTPC but not 100% sure about that
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[9:12] <SLFCore> i meant debian*
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[9:12] <mcfundash> it would work well since my tv has a USB port so the raspi can get powered on/off with the tv
[9:12] <ocx> is the raspberrypi available yet ?
[9:12] <steveccc> when running rpi-update - is the memory split the amount of ram allocated to the os?
[9:12] <SLFCore> if you are going to use it for HTPC, then i would recommend RaspBMC, OpenELEC or DarkELEC
[9:12] <mcfundash> I would need either wifi or a router because the tv is far from the router
[9:13] <mcfundash> yea but I still need to figure out other stuff
[9:13] <SLFCore> DarkELEC has wifi utiilities and drivers preinstalled
[9:13] <mcfundash> I'm going to oc mine some more right not
[9:13] <mcfundash> *now
[9:13] <hermanhermitage> steveccc: its the amount arm gets
[9:13] <mcfundash> I'll download rasbian to my second SD card and try that too
[9:13] <jardiamj> Ok, I fixed it.. I think it's rpi-update what causes my system not to boot
[9:14] <mcfundash> I think my GPIO fan does help a bit btw
[9:14] <hermanhermitage> steveccc: arm<x>_start.elf => arm gets x, GPU gets 256-x
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[9:14] <ocx> is the raspberrypi available yet for purchase?
[9:14] <hermanhermitage> ocx: yes, shipping times may vary
[9:14] <steveccc> hermanhermitage: I am just using it as a small fileserver / download box - is there any advantage to straying away from the default of 192mb?
[9:14] <ocx> what is the maimum usb storage that can be connected to this box?
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[9:15] <ocx> maximum*
[9:15] <mcfundash> downloading raspbian right now, just started and debian squeeze just finished
[9:15] <Xark> ocx: No predetermined limit. I have a 500GB USB HDD, no problem (and I could have a few).
[9:15] <ocx> so you can use soft RAID1
[9:15] <ocx> if you conect 2 usb storage
[9:16] <Xark> ocx: Since you have only one serial connection, bandwidth will be limited. I think you can max is with one HD. :)
[9:16] <bionicRobot> GM everyone. Does anyone know if POE is possible on the raspi?
[9:16] <nidO> it isnt
[9:16] <mcfundash> and now downloading win32 disk imager yay
[9:16] <nidO> the foundation are apparently considering it for future revisions though
[9:16] <Xark> ocx: Raid would be a waste for performance (probably a slowdown).
[9:16] <ocx> i am thinking of using this bo as a fileserver
[9:16] <ocx> so need redundancy
[9:17] <Xark> ocx: OK, for redundancy, that makes sense. :)
[9:17] <ocx> but i am concerned about performance
[9:17] <ocx> and access time
[9:17] <ocx> can anyone give any figure?
[9:17] <mcfundash> so would having my Pi be overclocked be a good idea for XBMC as an HTPC?
[9:17] <hermanhermitage> steveccc: not sure its early days with most of the OS images. but I think a arm224_start.elf makes sense if you arent doing anything on the gpu/high res
[9:17] <bionicRobot> So are the other 4 ethernet leads grounded to the shield?
[9:17] <ocx> for example copying a 100mb over network what time does it take
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[9:17] <hermanhermitage> ocx: if you are connecting via USB you are limited to USB perf
[9:18] <ocx> yes but for example what is the speed of copying 100mb over the network using a usb drive? :/
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[9:18] <hermanhermitage> assuming its USB2 the absolute max is 480MBits/sec ie <50MB/s
[9:18] <ocx> i guess network is not an issue since 100mbps
[9:18] <Xark> ocx: The network bandwidth is close to 100Mbps max in my tests. On my USB HDD (a cheap WD one) I get 20MB/sec from hdparm.
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[9:19] <DaQatz> Now I'm compiling firefox 13, wonder how long this will take.
[9:19] <SLFCore> using Firefox 13 for pi?
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[9:19] <mjr> pi as a fileserver isn't one of the best ideas. Plus somebody said here that the ethernet driver has a rather large USB overhead when transmitting
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[9:19] <hermanhermitage> ocx: eth is only 10/100. So you will be lucky to get 10MB/s
[9:19] <ocx> Xark: thank you
[9:19] <ocx> ok
[9:20] <ocx> anyone tested soft RAID1?
[9:20] <ocx> i think it will impact the usb throuput
[9:20] <mjr> it would certainly do so
[9:20] <ocx> rdoes this box have any sd card?
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[9:21] <Xark> ocx: RPi boots from SD.
[9:21] <hermanhermitage> the boot device is SD
[9:21] <hermanhermitage> ocx: some stuff at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[9:21] <Xark> ocx: Normally that is the root filesystem too.
[9:21] <ocx> and what is the maximum size of an SD ? :)
[9:21] <ocx> great let me check
[9:21] <SLFCore> 32gb'
[9:21] <bionicRobot> where's a good place to order electronic parts. Not looking forward to order 10 pack of resistors and paying 5??? in shipping
[9:21] <ocx> hmmm so RAID 1 beteen SC and usb is not an option
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[9:22] <hermanhermitage> ocx: basically its a low perf box. You can get great pixel pushing and hardware IO for the price, but not much memory or filesystem IO
[9:22] <bionicRobot> like a grab bag of kit
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[9:22] <mcfundash> I am so scared this will not work...
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[9:23] <ocx> ok regarding the case of this box, any good sites to buy decent cases?
[9:23] <nidO> there are a lot of different case options
[9:23] <mcfundash> copying at ~1.5 mb/s currently at 12%
[9:23] <ocx> saw a lego one :)
[9:23] <nidO> laser cut, 3d printed, and a few injection moulded
[9:23] <mcfundash> stupid kernal panic corrupting my card :S
[9:23] <nidO> or print-your-own cardboard, or instructions for lego ones
[9:24] <hermanhermitage> from element14 it coems in a box anyway
[9:24] <hermanhermitage> a cardboard box
[9:24] <mcfundash> I might make a case...out of FANS
[9:24] <mcfundash> ALL the airflow yeeeassssssssss
[9:24] <ocx> hermanhermitage: any idea what is the price rangoe f the cases?
[9:25] <hermanhermitage> not sure
[9:25] <hermanhermitage> i'd probably make one out of wood if i had to
[9:25] <hermanhermitage> like a small cigar box
[9:25] <nidO> ??5 to ??25 for the various cases available
[9:25] <Xark> ocx: $10-$49 (but some $$$ ones).
[9:25] <ocx> Xark: costs more than the bo itself :)
[9:26] <bootc> jardiamj: yes, my minimal image is laid out a bit differently, the firmware and kernel go into /mnt/boot instead of /boot
[9:26] <jardiamj> OK, I got it booting now
[9:27] <bootc> aha you're the one who posted on my blog - glad you got it sorted :-)
[9:27] <jardiamj> I have to copy /boot/start.elf to /mnt/boot/start.elf
[9:27] <jardiamj> is there a way to pass the $BOOT_PATH into rpi-update?
[9:27] <Xark> ocx: Yeah, I like this one -> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/06/12/pi-squared/ (actually shows it with optional protoboard).
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[9:28] <jardiamj> I think that's what cause my system not to boot
[9:28] <ocx> nice
[9:28] <Xark> ocx: Seems like a reasonable case for $15
[9:28] <ocx> yes
[9:28] <ocx> good taste
[9:28] <jardiamj> yes bootc, it was me... but I think the problem is with rpi-update
[9:28] <ocx> any ideas if the guys are shipping outside uk/us?
[9:29] <DaQatz> \http://i.imgur.com/Uco2E.jpg
[9:29] <jardiamj> have it worked for you bootc?
[9:29] <bootc> jardiamj: well the problem is with rpi-update assuming stuff just goes into /boot rather than /mnt/boot
[9:29] <Xark> ocx: Yep -> http://rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/
[9:29] <jardiamj> yeah, and I tried to change the path in the script, but it changes it back..
[9:30] <bootc> hehehe :-)
[9:30] <jardiamj> I don't know why...
[9:30] <bootc> probably easiest to just download the latest start.elf and put it in manually, I don't think any of the other files have changed since the first release
[9:30] <ocx> Xark: what is that?
[9:30] <jardiamj> that's what I did..
[9:31] <bootc> probably because it auto-updates itself from git, so will just overwrite your changes
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[9:31] <jardiamj> I also updated /lib/modules just in case
[9:31] <Xark> ocx: A map of where people have received their RPis (take it with a grain of salt, but most entries are legit - maybe even some in Antarctica...) :)
[9:31] <jardiamj> and it worked without and problem, but I have been in this for a couple of hours already
[9:32] <jardiamj> *any
[9:32] <ocx> Xark: and best is to order with element14 right
[9:32] <Xark> ocx: Well, I've got two from them so far, so I am happy. :) [Didn't know they kept both orders active...]
[9:33] <Xark> ocx: I hear it varies by country, so you might see what is best for your area.
[9:33] <jardiamj> and I also lost my RPi_led_party.py program, because my system partition in my SDcard got corrupted for being playing with it so much...
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[9:43] <blkhawk> ik called farnell again
[9:43] <mcfundash> yay thats written, time to write raspbian to my second SD card
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[9:44] <jardiamj> bootc, I don't seem to have this file: /usr/include/linux/spi/spidev.h, that you mention in your blog
[9:45] <bootc> jardiamj: it's in the linux-libc-dev package
[9:46] <jardiamj> ok, thanks... I'll install it then
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[9:47] <jardiamj> I'm a little newbie on this, so pardon me if I bother too much...
[9:47] <stev> Xark, hermanhermitage: I accidentally removed the 220 uF capicator. Without soldering it back, booting is ok. Thanks for help. Still I will try to solder it back.
[9:48] <Xark> stev: Right on. As was mentioned, it may be OK if you have a "steady" power supply, but I would want it on also. :)
[9:49] <mcfundash> I am begging my camera to let raspbian write to the SD card lol
[9:49] <mcfundash> I have to use this cheap camera as an SD card reader
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[9:53] <steveccc> i have had an issue with my pi loosing the lan connection when I have my powered usb hub connected with just a keyboard and mouse plugged into it - does this indicate a bad usb hub with insufficient power supply (1A) or could there be another issue?
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[9:59] <ocx> anyone from south africa?
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[10:04] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, I'd suggest it's possibly a power issue, but it's really hard to tell.
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, I used to have LAN issues when Iwas overlcolocking mine, but an update and some magic in /boot/cmdline.txt seems to have fixed it.
[10:06] <steveccc> gordondrogon: its a trust hub which isnt mentioned in the supported hubs or non working hubs but it seemed to have a reasonable power rating on the power supply but whether it does actually supply that amount is a different matter. I have ordered one which is on the supported list so will be able to tell more later
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[10:07] <mcfundash_pc> hello
[10:07] <mcfundash_pc> back
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, and remember there is a 1A polyfuse on the 5V input anyway, so if the whole lot was drawing more than 1A then it sould kill the whole board...
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[10:08] <mcfundash_pc> Still trying to write Raspbian to my SD card and have failed THREE times now...
[10:08] <steveccc> gordondrogon: well unless I missunderstand how they operate I wouldnt think the powered hub should draw much at all and that is all that was connected
[10:08] <Axman6> stop failing
[10:08] <Axman6> mwhat's gone wrong?
[10:08] <Axman6> mcfundash_pc*
[10:09] <ocx> seems cannot order from element14 yet, need to sit in the queue still!
[10:10] <steveccc> ocx: why has there been an announcement they have received their shipment?
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, the hub itself takes powere from it's own PSU and then provides power to the peripherals plugged into it.
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> I'm using my hub to power my Pi...
[10:10] <ocx> steveccc: no rsapberry in stock seems
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> so my hub is plugged into the Pi twice - one to the microusb power inlet and one to one of the USB sockets to extend the hub..
[10:11] <mcfundash_pc> first the camera I'm using as an SD reader got unplugged, then I retried and my wifi card got unplugged giving a BSOD, then I stopped it on purpose to restart with wifi
[10:11] <ocx> seems dreamplug beats the raspberrypi
[10:11] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: my breadboard is jam packed now, using transistors and a darlington array
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, wow!
[10:11] <steveccc> ocx: oh i know they didnt have any and also RS are awaiting a shipment too.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I'm clearing my workbench so I can take some photos of my setup.
[10:12] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I didn't think I'd use either any time soon, but now I more or less understand them
[10:12] <ocx> check dreamplug very nice
[10:12] <steveccc> gordondrogon: i have a power supply onto the microusb port and then usb to the powered hub - hence amazed that the keyboard and mouse cant be powered from it
[10:12] <Gadgetoid> Applying this learning to a Pi interfaced arduino could be interesting, though, I need to come up with a project :D
[10:12] <mcfundash_pc> now my PC won't recognize my tablet which I need to operate both my Pi and Pc at once *sigh* this is gonna be a looooonngggg night
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, I have no issues with mine. I've even powered a 2nd Pi off my hub..
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[10:13] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yea, doing anything more than simple demos is challenging. I need to find a motor today...
[10:13] <mcfundash_pc> alright 32%
[10:13] <steveccc> gordondrogon: maybe its my hub - just annoying that you buy a new hub and its powered and doesnt work (so much for standards)
[10:13] <mcfundash_pc> raspbian here I come
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, I suspect I just got lucky... They're all made to a budget these days.
[10:14] <steveccc> gordondrogon: what hub you got?
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, LOGIK - I bought it from PCworld... (much as I hate the place)
[10:14] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: challenging is exactly what I want :D but it's hard to stick at a challenge without a goal
[10:15] <steveccc> gordondrogon: this is the one I ordered http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003ECC702/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
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[10:15] <mcfundash_pc> 45%
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[10:16] <mcfundash_pc> still have to get tablet working argh
[10:16] <mcfundash_pc> on pc not pi
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[10:17] <steveccc> gordondrogon: I think its bad though as non techies may get a bad impression that the pi is rubbish based on keyboards, mice..... not working but in reality its just hub makers not doing their jobs properly
[10:18] <hourd> this ^ would suck =[
[10:18] <SLFCore> anyone know how to use youtube on raspberry pi?
[10:18] <mcfundash_pc> SLFCore: I have tried, no success yet, it is possible though
[10:18] <blkhawk> erm
[10:19] <blkhawk> dependfs what you mean by use
[10:19] <blkhawk> i'm building a youtube autoplayer thingy
[10:19] <mjr> suggest youtube-dl'ing the videos and playing with whatever player
[10:19] <mcfundash_pc> sounds good
[10:19] <mcfundash_pc> @mjr
[10:20] <SLFCore> i even tried it thorugh DarkELEC tweaked version of OpenELEC for Pi and youtube still didn't work
[10:20] <mjr> I've got a youtube player script here with youtube-dl and mplayeR: http://mjr.iki.fi/software/ytp
[10:20] <SLFCore> how about minitube?
[10:20] <mjr> I don't know if mplayer can play on the pi accelerated, though
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[10:20] <SLFCore> http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube
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[10:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[10:21] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton. Temp 13??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 82%, Later 17??C - 10??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
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[10:22] <SLFCore> !w
[10:22] <PiBot> SLFCore: in Harrisburg, PA on Thu Jun 14 07:56:00 2012. Temp 58??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 84%, Later 86??F - 59??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[10:23] <blkhawk> !w
[10:23] <PiBot> blkhawk: in Harrisburg, PA on Thu Jun 14 07:56:00 2012. Temp 58??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 84%, Later 86??F - 59??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, Yes. I suspect there's going to be a lot of hassles...
[10:23] <hourd> !w
[10:23] <PiBot> hourd: in Harrisburg, PA on Thu Jun 14 07:56:00 2012. Temp 58??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 84%, Later 86??F - 59??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[10:31] <Gadgetoid> Runcorn is a real place!?
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[10:34] <hourd> yup
[10:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> indeed it is
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[10:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> excellent got my Rpi with root fs on an 2" drive - now to see if I can fit it all into an exteral HD enclouser
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[10:43] <ocx> guys, can a raspberrypi boot from network?
[10:43] <ocx> i mean read its boot image from network
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[10:44] <ocx> and then after the user makes changes to the image, save that image again for example on a cloud
[10:44] <ocx> :/
[10:45] <stev> as I know, currently, rpi has to boot from SD card. at least initially has to read bootloader from sd card.
[10:46] <ocx> no PXE boot?
[10:46] <stev> then you can put OS in external USB hard drive.
[10:46] <mjr> no PXE.
[10:47] <mjr> you can have your root fs on nfs (or with some more tuning, iscsi or something), but the firmware, kernel (and possible initrd) have to be on sd
[10:47] <stev> ocx: http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs search "PXE"
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[10:48] <mjr> the SD can thus be pretty minimal but has to exist
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[10:48] <gordonDrogon> yup - boot off SD - basically the ROM BIOS in the GPU can only boot from its SD card and nothing else. It's the GPU that starts first, it loads it's own code, then loads the kernel then pokes the ARM into life which runs the kernel...
[10:49] <ocx> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_System/Data_Management
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[10:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^wts
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[10:52] <mjr> theoretically you could of course write an intermediate PXE boot loader - but you'd still need the SD to house _that_ (plus firmware)
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[10:53] <RITRedbeard> morning?
[10:54] <ocx> so boot from network would basicly be booting off the SD getting an ip address and then connecting to the server etc...
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> essentially yes.
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[10:55] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, yup, still morning :)
[10:55] <bionicRobot> is there a net boot version of debian.
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> ocx there is a project (or 2) to actually boot a kernel off the SD which then allows you to select other kernels.
[10:55] <bionicRobot> I have a net install image but a net boot would be neat
[10:55] <ocx> you mean locally stored kernels
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> also it's possible to boot the kernel off the SD, then have the root filesystem mounted from usb, network (nfs/ iScsi)...
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> but a "true" net boot isn't going to be possible - it must load a kernel/loader of some sort off the SD card.
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> Right. Thursday. Local farmers market day! back in a while.
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[11:09] <blkhawk> hmmm
[11:10] <blkhawk> anybody know whats the url is for the roku 2 firmware?
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[11:22] <teubay> Hello I'm trying the debian official build on my raspberry and i got "mmc0: "Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt"", if I use Hexxeh/rpi-firmware kernel I got pretty much the same: problem reading SD, is there a list of supported SD card ?
[11:23] <frankivo> yes
[11:23] <frankivo> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
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[11:24] * PiBot sets mode +v zag2
[11:24] * Guest51167 is now known as Hydrazine
[11:25] <teubay> May be it's because its a class10 card, is there any build that support such card ?
[11:25] <frankivo> there are class 10 cards in that list
[11:25] <frankivo> so I suppose, yes :P
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[11:26] <teubay> frankivo, where can I find this list ?
[11:26] <AlanBell> anyone got a pi with working sound? I want to see if the buttons on this work http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/speak.html
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[11:28] <AlanBell> teubay: I use a class 10 card
[11:28] <frankivo> teubay: 11:22 -!- zag2 [~zag@xbmc/staff/zag] has joined #raspberrypi
[11:28] <frankivo> errr
[11:28] <AlanBell> but I have had problems with some cards
[11:28] <frankivo> 11:22 <+frankivo> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[11:29] <teubay> frankivo cheers I've got my answer
[11:29] <teubay> 16GB SDHC Class 10 Extreme (45MB/s U1) (BL1203322025G) - Doesn't work with stock debian6-19-04-2012 image, but does work with freshly compiled kernel
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[11:30] <frankivo> teubay: newest builds should support more cards, I heared
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[11:31] <teubay> is there a place where i can get latest prebuilt kernel ?
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[11:40] <zgreg> teubay: hmm it works with newly compiled kernel, but not with the latest prebuilt one?
[11:41] <zgreg> that's odd, because they should be similar
[11:42] * mythos (~mythos@unaffiliated/mythos) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[11:43] <blkhawk> the /boot fs should be mounted ro by default
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[11:44] <blkhawk> also i would like to know how the pi handles more than one video at a time
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[11:46] <freezer> hi
[11:48] <RITRedbeard> hi
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[11:54] <teubay> zgreg finally I've no more video output i might have short-circuit my raspberry pi :(
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[11:58] <megaproxy> our fridge is leaking at work
[11:58] * megaproxy senses a disturbance in the food.
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[12:01] <mcfundash_pc> !w
[12:01] <PiBot> mcfundash_pc: in Harrisburg, PA on Thu Jun 14 08:56:00 2012. Temp 55??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 89%, Later 86??F - 59??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[12:02] <Veryevil> !w
[12:02] <PiBot> Veryevil: in Harrisburg, PA on Thu Jun 14 08:56:00 2012. Temp 55??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 89%, Later 86??F - 59??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[12:02] <mcfundash_pc> hi
[12:02] <Veryevil> !w derby
[12:02] <PiBot> Veryevil: in derby. Temp 61??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 48%, Later 63??F - 52??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[12:02] <mcfundash_pc> !w blargshlarg
[12:02] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> !w
[12:03] <PiBot> gordonDrogon: in Harrisburg, PA on Thu Jun 14 08:56:00 2012. Temp 55??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 89%, Later 86??F - 59??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[12:03] <mcfundash_pc> !w Calabasas
[12:03] <PiBot> mcfundash_pc: in Calabasas, CA on Thu Jun 14 08:51:00 2012. Temp 60??F. Condition: Haze, Humidity: 83%, Later 79??F - 55??F. Condition: Fog.
[12:03] * kwerk (~livion@2600:1008:b002:fe57:0:16:75d4:a701) Quit (Client Quit)
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> Except I'm not in Harrisburg...
[12:03] <freezer> !w Berlin
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> !w buckfastleigh
[12:03] <PiBot> freezer: in Berlin, Berlin. Temp 57??F. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 63%, Later 66??F - 50??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[12:03] <mcfundash_pc> type your city
[12:03] <PiBot> gordonDrogon: in Buckfastleigh, Devon. Temp 57??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 82%, Later 57??F - 52??F. Condition: Rain.
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> city? haha...
[12:03] <mcfundash_pc> !w california
[12:03] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:03] <mcfundash_pc> !w poop
[12:03] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:04] <freezer> !w Kuala Lumpur
[12:04] <PiBot> freezer: in Kuala Lumpur, Federal Territory of Kuala Lumpur. Temp 93??F. Condition: Haze, Humidity: 43%, Later 95??F - 72??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[12:04] <mcfundash_pc> !w bitchfield
[12:04] <PiBot> mcfundash_pc: in Bitchfield, Lincolnshire. Temp 57??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 72%, Later 65??F - 46??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[12:04] <mcfundash_pc> Lol
[12:04] <mcfundash_pc> !w bitchfield
[12:04] <PiBot> mcfundash_pc: in Bitchfield, Lincolnshire. Temp 57??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 72%, Later 65??F - 46??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> !w nempnett thrubwell
[12:04] <PiBot> gordonDrogon: in Nempnett Thrubwell, Bath and North East Somerset. Temp 57??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 82%, Later 59??F - 54??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> nice little village, nempnett thrubwell
[12:05] <mcfundash_pc> !w middelfart
[12:05] <PiBot> mcfundash_pc: in Middelfart, Syddanmark. Temp 54??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 67%, Later 61??F - 41??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
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[12:05] <mcfundash_pc> !w dildo
[12:05] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> !w narnia
[12:05] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:05] <stev> !w taipei
[12:05] <PiBot> stev: in taipei on Thu Jun 14 23:30:00 2012. Temp 79??F. Condition: Rain, Humidity: 89%, Later 88??F - 77??F. Condition: Thunderstorm.
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Twin-town-s-return-Narnia/story-15522236-detail/story.html
[12:06] <reider59> Where is Bitchfield near in Lincolnshire? I moved here to the West coast from Lincolnshire, nearly 30 years ago and still have family there. Don`t recall that name......
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> ah, enough fun with PiBot ...
[12:06] <mcfundash_pc> !w Boring
[12:06] <PiBot> Not found.
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[12:07] <mcfundash_pc> !w Titty Ho
[12:07] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:07] <blkhawk> !w boringtown
[12:07] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:07] <mcfundash_pc> daww
[12:07] <blkhawk> !w stupidtown
[12:07] <PiBot> Not found.
[12:07] <mcfundash_pc> http://www.oddee.com/item_96555.aspx
[12:08] <megaproxy> !w reading, UK
[12:08] <PiBot> megaproxy: in reading, UK. Temp 61??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 68%, Later 61??F - 54??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[12:08] <megaproxy> all this F shit
[12:08] <megaproxy> wat
[12:08] <mcfundash_pc> !w middelfart
[12:08] <PiBot> mcfundash_pc: in Middelfart, Syddanmark. Temp 54??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 67%, Later 61??F - 41??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[12:08] <megaproxy> where the C at
[12:08] <mcfundash_pc> !w bitchfield
[12:08] <PiBot> mcfundash_pc: in Bitchfield, Lincolnshire. Temp 57??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 72%, Later 65??F - 46??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[12:08] <mcfundash_pc> yay
[12:08] <reider59> !w warrington
[12:08] <PiBot> reider59: in Warrington, Warrington. Temp 59??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 77%, Later 63??F - 52??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[12:08] * ChanServ sets mode +o ReggieUK
[12:08] <ReggieUK> mind your language megaproxy
[12:08] <megaproxy> sorry
[12:08] <mcfundash_pc> !w sun valley
[12:08] <PiBot> mcfundash_pc: in Sun Valley, NV on Thu Jun 14 08:55:00 2012. Temp 69??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 19%, Later 88??F - 57??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[12:08] <megaproxy> realised as i said it =x
[12:09] <mcfundash_pc> !w sun valley, ID
[12:09] <PiBot> mcfundash_pc: in Sun Valley, ID on Thu Jun 14 09:15:00 2012. Temp 50??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 47%, Later 70??F - 39??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[12:09] * megaproxy forgets this is a child friendly chan
[12:09] * Arch-Raspberrypi (~arch1mede@static-50-43-13-228.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[12:09] <ReggieUK> and stop spamming pibot
[12:09] <megaproxy> thats not me D=
[12:09] <mcfundash_pc> aiighty
[12:09] <ReggieUK> all of you
[12:09] <megaproxy> oh
[12:09] <mcfundash_pc> yup
[12:09] <megaproxy> :P
[12:09] <mcfundash_pc> k
[12:09] <megaproxy> pi-wise
[12:09] <megaproxy> i rebuilt my case.
[12:09] <reider59> I never used that before and tested for my home town, no spamming
[12:09] <megaproxy> but i cant find any lego roof's to fit :(
[12:09] <mcfundash_pc> sorry, its late...im going to go anyways
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[12:12] <ReggieUK> reider59, not much point protesting your innocence, you joined the herd
[12:13] <megaproxy> do you think a balsa wood case would be a bad idea?
[12:13] <megaproxy> balsa is so flimsy
[12:13] <reider59> WRONG! I tested for my home town only, get your facts right......
[12:15] <ReggieUK> you may have 'tested for your home town only' but it was in the middle of a bunch of other people doing it
[12:15] <ReggieUK> or am I WRONG again?
[12:15] * mingdao is now known as mingdao_
[12:15] * mingdao_ is now known as mingdao
[12:15] * megaproxy ponders other case materials
[12:15] <reider59> I really do not care how many were doing it at the time. "I" had not seen that before and simply tested for my home town. END OF
[12:16] <reider59> yes, you are WRONG again, not a God yet
[12:18] <frankivo> bots like this shouldnt be here anyway
[12:18] <ReggieUK> I asked you all to stop, you were part of the people that were asked to stop, I don't care how many times you did it
[12:18] <ReggieUK> and it's up to the channel owner whether he wants the bot here or not
[12:18] <frankivo> very true
[12:18] <megaproxy> could atleast put some trigger control in it
[12:18] <megaproxy> so it cant spam like that
[12:18] <frankivo> but thats my opinion :)
[12:19] <reider59> I don`t care what you think, you`re nobody special. I tested for my home town and not about to spend all day arguing with the likes of you
[12:19] * reider59 was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[12:19] * megaproxy lold
[12:19] <frankivo> ...
[12:19] <ReggieUK> special enough it would appear
[12:19] <megaproxy> should i make a playdough case?
[12:20] <megaproxy> for lulz
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[12:20] * PiBot sets mode +v reider59
[12:20] <reider59> whatever!
[12:21] * megaproxy sigs
[12:21] <megaproxy> sighs*
[12:22] <frankivo> http://www.basst.nl/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/RaspPi_Koeling.jpg
[12:22] <freezer> PARTY!
[12:22] <reider59> check you`re allowed first
[12:22] <frankivo> hehe, heatsinks :P
[12:22] <megaproxy> whats the other board doing?
[12:22] <frankivo> I have no idea
[12:22] <freezer> do you really need heatsinks?
[12:22] <megaproxy> oh i just spoted the heatsinks
[12:22] <megaproxy> haha
[12:22] <megaproxy> cute.
[12:22] <megaproxy> uesless, but cute.
[12:22] <freezer> or is it just for the looks
[12:23] <freezer> maybe if you OC to 1GHz
[12:23] <frankivo> freezer: he claims it too hot to touch after HD playback
[12:23] <freezer> it might extend the lifespan
[12:23] <megaproxy> would be easier just to put a fan in
[12:23] <megaproxy> but heatsinks would help lots with a fan..
[12:23] <megaproxy> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-be7WdHjuQ7o/T7GcGaC1fLI/AAAAAAAAA1k/1NqHEhgUp3U/s640/2012-05-14_17-00-18_898.jpg
[12:24] <megaproxy> ^ another
[12:24] <megaproxy> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5823&p=77318&hilit=heatsink#p77318
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[12:24] <ReggieUK> I'd heard that heatsinks were potentially a bad idea
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[12:25] <ReggieUK> as they put undue stress on the die
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[12:25] <megaproxy> yea and something abou tthe CPU being under the ram etc
[12:25] <ReggieUK> that too
[12:25] <ReggieUK> it's a PoP stack
[12:25] <megaproxy> sink it in mineral oil
[12:26] <megaproxy> cooil the oil
[12:26] <megaproxy> haha
[12:27] <stev> ReggieUK: heatsinks cause undue stree on the die? really? this is new to me.
[12:28] <ReggieUK> Like I said, I'd only seen someone mention it on here
[12:28] <ReggieUK> don't shoot the messenger :)
[12:28] * ReggieUK sets mode -o ReggieUK
[12:29] <Draylor> shrug, if it doesnt get hot it doesnt need a heatsink
[12:29] <ReggieUK> Draylor, that too
[12:29] <Draylor> the worst that can happen is it cooks itself - as long as it lasts until you can realistically order a replacemnt now for delivery tomorrow theres no problem :p
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[12:30] * PiBot sets mode +v Elspuddy-pi
[12:31] <Elspuddy-pi> lo
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> ugh. stupid firefox keeps grabbing the mouse cursor when inside tinymce/wordpress )-:
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[12:37] <megaproxy> ff is poop
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> Why are people bothering with heatsinks when time after time, Gert, Dom and others are saying to not bother and heat is NOT a factor on clockspeeds on these things... It's just bonkers!
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> pretty but bonkers.
[12:43] <hourd> maybe they feel it getting warm and think it needs them?
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> I've had Atoms run at 90C.
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> I'v also had a 3G/GPS module run at 102C.
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> The gPS was struggling though - it was 10m out...
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[12:47] <hourd> hmmm
[12:47] <reider59> Doesn`t look like that electronics kit will arrive today, though I ordered on next day. It's still marked as pending and has gone out of stock after I ordered. No emails at all about it yet.
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[12:49] <gordonDrogon> reider59, who did you order from?
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[13:09] <ThantiK> anyone else have a problem getting tint2 to run on an arch install?
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[13:15] * gordonDrogon watches the tumbleweed drift by at the mention of Arch ... ;-)
[13:15] <hourd> hurr
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[13:16] <gordonDrogon> I guess I got lucky by being an existing Debian user though...
[13:17] <mythos> debian ftw ;)
[13:18] <ThantiK> That the same Pi distro that packs Firefox 3.6 with it?
[13:18] <ThantiK> or was that fedora?
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> nothing if not stable.
[13:19] <ThantiK> Packing Firefox 3.6...on a distro for a machine that has 256mb of memory = LOLDERP
[13:19] <neofutur> also the one that patched openssl for the fun :p
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> every distro has it's LOL moments.
[13:19] <ThantiK> Either way, using pypanel, which is largely just as functional.
[13:20] <neofutur> yes but some people respect upstream
[13:20] <neofutur> and others love to make it their owen way
[13:21] <neofutur> probably better for the resume to say " I patched openssl to make it better" than saysing "I sent a bugreport to upstrean"
[13:21] <mythos> hmm... iceweasel is in version 10, so...
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> I run stable + backports from time to time - e.g. to get libreoffice ratherthan openoffice on my desktop.
[13:22] <ThantiK> gordonDrogon: that's a particularly egregious mistake I think.
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[13:22] <gordonDrogon> ThantiK, what - to run backports?
[13:22] <ThantiK> firefox.
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> don't know. I un-installed iceweasel and installed firebox manually.
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> I'm on ff13.0
[13:23] <ThantiK> and suddenly, you were using 500mb of swap.
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> am I?
[13:23] <mythos> ThantiK, that's ff bashing and not true ;)
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> There are issues I have with firefox, but using lots of RAM isn't one of them.
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> 14089 gordon 20 0 562m 222m 32m R 6 7.3 4:06.43 firefox
[13:24] <neofutur> http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DebianDeb0rkification
[13:24] <neofutur> same problem as the openssl fiasco imo
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> biggest issues I've seen is buggy plugins, so I don't run them.
[13:24] <megaproxy> chromium
[13:25] <ThantiK> not really talking so much about recent firefox versions.
[13:25] <ThantiK> Older versions of firefox though were atrocious.
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> It's all what you make of it.
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> and how you use it.
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> I've been happy with Debian since the 0.9r6 days.
[13:26] * megaproxy hates firefox
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[13:26] <gordonDrogon> good thing you have a choice then.
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[13:27] <gordonDrogon> you almost didn't if MS had gotten their way...
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> love the top story on /. right now: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/06/14/0253237/aussie-online-retailer-impose-ie7-tax
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[13:27] <ThantiK> So far, I've gotten away with no GTK/Qt frameworks on this box.
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> mug of tea time.
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> brb.
[13:27] <ThantiK> Total install is sitting at under 500mb
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[13:42] <gordonDrogon> instal for what?
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[13:55] <gordonDrogon> Taking photos of IO boards. And my 9 year old camera is still good enough!
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> Hm. it might actually be 10 years old now.
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[14:02] <hermanhermitage> finally, got raspberrypi+tmux+irc going :P
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[14:04] <frankivo> hermanhermitage: why ircII over irssi?
[14:05] <hermanhermitage> good question
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[14:05] <hermanhermitage> frankivo: didnt know what to type, and my mind shot back to 1992 when i used to run ircii on sunos1
[14:05] <hermanhermitage> (or precursor to ircii)
[14:06] <frankivo> hehe
[14:06] <frankivo> I was just wondering :)
[14:06] <hermanhermitage> so how do install it? :P
[14:07] <frankivo> apt-get install irssi ? :P
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[14:07] <hermanhermitage> sweet, seconds away
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[14:08] <ratherDashing> if there is no .xinitrc how does X know what DM to start up?
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[14:09] <ReggieUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0ps0THasUwA
[14:09] <ReggieUK> pi/raspbmc made hackaday
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[14:13] <megaproxy> im going to put xbmc on mine tonight i think
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[14:14] <ThantiK> ratherDashing: there's a skeleton file in /etc/skel you can copy to the home dir
[14:14] <hermanhermitage> now in irssi but not sure how to use it
[14:14] <IT_Sean> type /server irc.freenode.net
[14:14] <IT_Sean> then when it connects, /nikc yournick
[14:14] <IT_Sean> * /nick
[14:14] <IT_Sean> then /join #[channel]
[14:15] <hermanhermitage> /help isnt listing anything for me
[14:15] <IT_Sean> It should come with an example config file if you want to customoze it
[14:15] <ratherDashing> ThantiK: that dir is empty in raspbian
[14:15] <hermanhermitage> i've never used an irc client that doesnt use the normal commands, i must be confused
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[14:15] <IT_Sean> it does use the normal commands, hermanhermitage
[14:15] <IT_Sean> what are you trying to do?
[14:15] <hermanhermitage> use the normal slash commands
[14:16] <hermanhermitage> nothing is scrolling by
[14:16] <ratherDashing> irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n yourNick
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[14:16] <hermanhermitage> i should practice this in my own channel so i dont make a fool of myself infront of the kids :)
[14:16] <ratherDashing> you can just start it with that if yuo want
[14:16] <hermanhermitage> yeah i used irc for a decade but none of the / commands seem to show me anything *blush*
[14:17] <hermanhermitage> does it mux the window output into separate areas?
[14:17] <ratherDashing> hermanhermitage: hit ctrl p till you see where the help is printing
[14:17] <hermanhermitage> oh no, not nice
[14:17] <hermanhermitage> can it just serialize it
[14:18] <Vostok> you can disable the status window
[14:18] <Vostok> i got it disabled
[14:18] <hermanhermitage> ratherDashing: thanks, this is not the client i'm looking for as they say :P
[14:19] <hermanhermitage> 1992 called and ask for me back
[14:19] <Vostok> dude, that can not be an issue
[14:19] <ratherDashing> i was on irc in 92, irssi should make you feel at home
[14:19] <hermanhermitage> not sure about the screens
[14:20] <Vostok> hermanhermitage: irssi is highly configurable
[14:20] <normod> and tmux and screen doesn't mess up irssi
[14:20] <Vostok> although sounds like you'd be better off with just making a raw telnet connection to the irc server
[14:20] <hermanhermitage> great, i'll read the man and work out how to get something more vanilla
[14:21] <Vostok> what's not vanilla for you
[14:21] <Vostok> channels on different windows?
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[14:21] <Vostok> *in
[14:21] <hermanhermitage> yeah
[14:21] <clockwize> hi
[14:21] <ratherDashing> yeah i'm using screen and irssi right now, no problems
[14:21] <normod> me too
[14:21] <Vostok> so you want everything from every channel in a single window
[14:21] <hermanhermitage> cuz i'm already running vnc->mac/expose->tmux on mac->ssh->tmux on rpi
[14:22] <hermanhermitage> vostok: yeah great
[14:22] <Vostok> well i suppose that's doable
[14:22] <Vostok> consult the documentation
[14:22] <clockwize> I've plugged a wifi dongle and a usb hard drive in to my debian squeeze Pi, where would I find details of if they've loaded or not, their details etc?
[14:22] <hermanhermitage> chees
[14:22] <hermanhermitage> rs
[14:22] <normod> clockwize: start with dmesg|tail
[14:22] <Vostok> altough i do think wanting something like that is insane. :)
[14:22] <ratherDashing> clockwize: sudo lsusb
[14:23] <clockwize> dmesg has *alot* of DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
[14:23] <ratherDashing> never used tmux, always been a screen guy
[14:23] <ratherDashing> clockwize: you need a powered hub :(
[14:24] <clockwize> I have a powered hub
[14:24] <hermanhermitage> vostok: so i can see everything
[14:24] <ratherDashing> you need a better powered hub
[14:24] <Vostok> hehe, i'm on 50 channels
[14:24] <kvarley> has anybody built the android kernel for the raspberry pi yet?
[14:24] <clockwize> I have a powered hub with a 2.5A 5V AC/DC power converter
[14:24] <Vostok> i wouldn't dare to put them in a single window
[14:24] <ratherDashing> try not powering the pi through the hub maybe? get a 1A plug
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[14:25] <hermanhermitage> vostok: :P
[14:25] <ratherDashing> i used to have those errors all the time, got a powered hub, no more issues
[14:25] <ratherDashing> did you do a lsusb? who makes yer hub?
[14:25] <clockwize> let me reboot
[14:25] <clockwize> 1 min
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[14:26] <clockwize> I thought a 2.5A 5V plug would be good to power the Pi, the Hd and the wifi dongle
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[14:27] <ratherDashing> it should be good enough if you have a good hub. i have a 2A plug, it powers the pi, external hdd, wifi, and bluetooth
[14:27] <ratherDashing> no issues
[14:28] <ratherDashing> and keyboard and mouse
[14:28] <clockwize> hmm ok
[14:28] <ratherDashing> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1a40:0201 Terminus Technology Inc. FE 2.1 7-port Hub
[14:28] <ratherDashing> that's what i use
[14:28] <ReggieUK> YUK
[14:28] <ReggieUK> FE2.1 :(
[14:28] <clockwize> I have 4 devices in lsusb, Standard Microsystems Corp twice, then Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub and Dell Computer Corp(my keyboard)
[14:29] <ratherDashing> ReggieUK: whats that?
[14:29] <ReggieUK> a poor chipset :D
[14:29] <ratherDashing> ha, i've had no issues!
[14:29] <ReggieUK> I own a 7port hub that has fe1.1 chips in it
[14:29] <ReggieUK> 2 of them
[14:29] <ReggieUK> which is like a 2.1 chopped in 1/2 then glued back together
[14:30] <megaproxy> all this means nothing to me
[14:30] <megaproxy> *woosh*
[14:30] <ReggieUK> anyhow, from what I've seen of the FE chips they're in all the cheap generic usb hubs
[14:30] <ReggieUK> and the circuits on these things are somewhat questionable
[14:30] <ReggieUK> working != good :)
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[14:31] <ReggieUK> it just means it's working for now
[14:31] <clockwize> I get that debug error thing without my HD connected or Pi being powered from the hub
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[14:31] <ratherDashing> well it's working well, and the hub i got was a monoprice one with tons of reviews and 98% happy. they also have a good return policy, i'm not worried
[14:31] <ReggieUK> I@m not saying you should necessarily be worried, just that it's something to consider
[14:32] <ratherDashing> clockwize: so it's just the wifi then, drawing too much power?
[14:32] <ReggieUK> for instance, I took mine apart
[14:32] <ReggieUK> there are a total of 7 caps missing on the board
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[14:32] <clockwize> ReggieUK: I've unplugged the hub, and the wifi from it
[14:32] <ReggieUK> there is 1 single 10uf cap
[14:32] <clockwize> going to plug hub in, then look at dmesages
[14:32] <ratherDashing> well that's not a bad chipset, that's a bad manufacturer.
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[14:32] <clockwize> then plug wifi in and look at dmesg
[14:32] <clockwize> >.<
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[14:33] <ReggieUK> ratherDashing, I concede that point but just the fact that it's got the FE chip in it would have me opening the case to see what else is/isn't in there
[14:34] <clockwize> its the hub
[14:34] <clockwize> with no devices plugged in
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[14:34] <clockwize> who'd have thought a ??4 usb hub would be such bad quality ;)
[14:34] <ratherDashing> ReggieUK: the company i bought it for is known for producing quality products in the US. This is it: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10307&cs_id=1030702&p_id=5328&seq=1&format=2
[14:35] <ratherDashing> 158 user reviews, 95.5% are happy with it
[14:35] <megaproxy> how long would the pi last on a phone battery?
[14:35] <megaproxy> and how could i intergrate the battery to the pi..
[14:35] <clockwize> megaproxy: someone made a portable pi??? not sure what battery it used but they said 2 hours?
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[14:35] <megaproxy> D= so little
[14:35] <IT_Sean> depends on the battery.
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[14:35] <megaproxy> a s3 battery
[14:36] <megaproxy> :D
[14:36] <megaproxy> no wait
[14:36] <megaproxy> you cant get them out
[14:36] <megaproxy> uhhh
[14:36] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes.
[14:36] <megaproxy> s2 battery
[14:36] <megaproxy> :D
[14:36] <ReggieUK> ratherDashing, I'm not saying yours is bad, just that I would take a look at the pcb *myself* if I owned it
[14:36] <IT_Sean> lemme pull out my battery / run time raspi comparison chart :|
[14:36] <clockwize> how can I test how much power a hub is drawing with a multimeter?
[14:36] <megaproxy> if such a thing exists thats awesome
[14:36] <megaproxy> but i fear the sarcasum
[14:36] <ReggieUK> because I have 2 other hubs with that family of chips on it and they're pretty poorly designed, it seems to be a chipset that cheap manufacturers go for
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[14:38] <ReggieUK> no polyfuses, no caps to stop teh rail dipping when you plug devices in, no v-regulation, missing diodes etc.
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[14:42] <blkhawk> the one i use wasm't powered originakyy - i retrofitted that
[14:43] <blkhawk> I also added more caps in the places where there were unpopulated spaces
[14:43] <Matt> clockwize: same way you measure power in any circuit - stick an ammeter in line
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[14:44] <clockwize> in theory the usb hub shouldn't drawing ANY from the RPi! It's plugged in to power >.<
[14:46] <clockwize> Matt: so can I do that between the + and - of the usb port its plugged in to?
[14:46] <ratherDashing> it still needs some power for those little 1's and 0's
[14:47] <ratherDashing> they don't get from A to B on hopes and dreams
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[14:47] <markllama> ratherDashing: They don't? The Unicorn Lied? I'm crushed!
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[14:48] <clockwize> ratherDashing: shouldn't it get that power from the power cable i plug in to the hub, not the port the hub is plugged in to?
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[14:48] <ferik> hi guys, doesn't squeeze block most network traffic in by default? Some kidn of firewall?
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[14:49] <ratherDashing> the pi still has to produce some power to send data along the usb plug
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[14:50] <clockwize> yeah, but not much?
[14:50] <IT_Sean> the Pi should not draw any power from the power leads going between the pi's USB ports and a powered hub.
[14:51] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, it shouldn't but there has been a case where it is happening!
[14:51] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[14:51] <IT_Sean> I am aware
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[14:57] <gordonDrogon> it's the that the Pi shouldn't draw current, it's that the hub shouldn't supply it...
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[14:57] <gordonDrogon> However hubs are made cheaply and it seems they do supply it - well mine does!
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[15:00] <IT_Sean> Will USB connectivity work between the Pi and a powered hub if you connect ONLY the data leads in the USB cable between the pi and the hub?
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[15:00] <clockwize> it should do
[15:01] <clockwize> as long as the hub has power from the power adaptor
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[15:01] <clockwize> I've done this with a USB experiment board. Connected the data to a usb plug and plugged in to a pc, connected +/- 5v to a 5v battery pack
[15:02] <clockwize> worked great
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[15:04] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: http://distilleryimage2.instagram.com/7f9bc882b5fb11e1a9f71231382044a1_7.jpg
[15:04] <Matt> IT_Sean: I'd be tempted to use data+, data- and gnd
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[15:06] <IT_Sean> Fine, leave the ground, but take ppos out of the loop.
[15:06] <Matt> yeah
[15:06] <IT_Sean> I bet it'd work, and it would solve the issue of hte pi suckling power from the hub
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[15:09] <steveccc> have people had to create a startup script to set the time automatically?
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, neat - and a big red button too :)
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, as long as ntp is running the time will get set.
[15:09] <nidO> steveccc no need if you have ntp setup
[15:10] <steveccc> it has set now - thanks - think was a bit quick to check
[15:10] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: couldn't resist the big red button!
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> everyone needs a BRB!
[15:10] <Gadgetoid> now I should probably do something actually worthwhile :D I think I might need to order some more components, eee!
[15:10] <steveccc> is it true that if a display adaptor isnt present at boot that the interface is then dead - if I dont have my hdmi present at boot then I get no output when i do plug int in
[15:11] <Gadgetoid> My transistors and resistors are a bit weedy, and I'd like some resistors packaged up into an IC for neatness
[15:11] <IT_Sean> I have a big red button on my desk.
[15:11] <ReggieUK> don't press it
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, look for SIL resistor modules.
[15:11] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: why not!?
[15:11] <ReggieUK> black holes
[15:12] <IT_Sean> no. it's nit wired into anything
[15:12] <NucWin> steveccc i believe you can force hdmi on in config.txt
[15:12] <ReggieUK> that's why everyone got cranky over the large hadron collider
[15:12] <IT_Sean> I keep meaning to do something cool with it.
[15:12] <ReggieUK> they had a big red button too
[15:12] <IT_Sean> I want to have it do something really rube goldberg-esque
[15:13] <ReggieUK> you're going to need more than a button
[15:13] <reider59> Finally got an email about the electronics kit I applied for yesterday. I have a PO reference for the next day delivery and it,s marked at the Pang site as being processed. Looks like tomorrow may be on the card but I have to leave here no later than dinner time so that's looking dodgy. So is the next day delivery I paid for that's taking 2 days.
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[15:13] <Gadgetoid> reider59: electronics kit?
[15:13] <reider59> that kit that was linked yesterday, board, wires, LED`s etc
[15:14] <Gadgetoid> reider59: I suspect I know the one :D
[15:14] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: I had thought about wiring it up to a USB input board i have lying around, and using that to trigger a script on my PC that would use my PCs modem to dial a device acorss the office that would then turn the PFY's desk lamp on/off. :p
[15:14] <reider59> Looks good but not impressed with the lack of communication and delay.
[15:14] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I like the DIL resistor networks
[15:14] <steveccc> nucwin: where is config.txt located?
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yea, same idea. pita on a breadboard - unless you've got lots of linear space.
[15:15] <NucWin> /boot/
[15:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'd rather buy a bigger breadboard and have it look tidy :D
[15:16] <NucWin> steveccc http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, just realised your breadboard is identical to one of mine: http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[15:16] <Gadgetoid> They're pretty pricy, those resistor ICs, but I guess I only need one or two of each common type
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> I've never used them...
[15:16] <Matt> neither have I
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[15:17] <Matt> but I'm wondering if you could make one up with a socket and some descrete resistors :)
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[15:17] <gordonDrogon> Used the single in-line ones. plenty of those on my board.
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> matt sure - if you're patient :)
[15:17] <Gadgetoid> Matt: If you could find a socket that fits on a bb, that's not a bad idea!
[15:17] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Don't the SIL ones still need space, although I guess they don't bridge the middle bit
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> the SIL ones might be better suited for a breadboard though.
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[15:18] <Gadgetoid> They're also a lot cheaper
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes - they don't bridge, so you can use the bridge for LEDs then put the SILs behind them.
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> I have a nice 10-segment bargraph LED thing.
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> it needs a SIL module (or 2) to neaten the wiring up.
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[15:19] <Gadgetoid> It gets really difficult once you want decent components, most of the small hobby sites don't have thenm
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> I suspect you'll find that RS & Farnell/E14 will now deal with joe public.. especiall Pi owners now ...
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[15:20] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Hahaha, yeah that's an interesting idea
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[15:20] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, indeed, 50,000 1.2a psu's aren't going to sell themselves ;)
[15:20] <Gadgetoid> Ooo, they share a common ground!
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[15:21] <Gadgetoid> Farnell has some sexy ones
[15:22] <Gadgetoid> http://uk.farnell.com/bourns/4308r-102-221lf/resistor-network-sip-220r/dp/1902613
[15:22] <dirty_d> anyone have any idea about this compile error? "Error: selected processor does not support ARM mode `sfmfd f4,4,[sp]!'"
[15:22] <dirty_d> building gcc
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[15:25] <hermanhermitage> digikey
[15:25] <hermanhermitage> dirty_d: maybe a fp issue?
[15:26] <hermanhermitage> my image is softfp for now
[15:26] <dirty_d> yea i dont know why though
[15:26] <dirty_d> im on rasbian hard
[15:26] <hermanhermitage> oic
[15:26] <dirty_d> compiling archlinux's gcc package
[15:26] <dirty_d> it compiles if i run the failed compile command with softfp
[15:26] <dirty_d> but thats nto what i want
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[15:27] <Gadgetoid> Buying components kinda sucks in general, Farnell have minimum quantities and I'm not sure I'm ready for 5 of each :D
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[15:28] <Gadgetoid> Should form a Raspberry Pi community for component buying groups :D
[15:28] <hermanhermitage> dirty_d: shrug, that error certainly looks like a toolchain not set up for hardfp
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[15:28] <TheBadger> Hi, I have a powered USB hub which when I plug in makes the power light on the raspberry pi light up, am I right in thinking that if I also powered the chip from the micro usb I would break it?
[15:29] <dirty_d> it is though, everything built is hardfp
[15:29] <Gadgetoid> TheBadger: no, you wouldn't break it
[15:29] <hermanhermitage> dirty_d: what tool is generate that error?
[15:29] <Gadgetoid> TheBadger: my USB hub bleeds power upstream, too, no idea why or how
[15:30] <dirty_d> hermanhermitage, a mid stage xgcc
[15:30] <TheBadger> so as the powered hub is only 1A, do you think I should also plug my micro usb supply in aswell to power the chip
[15:30] <dirty_d> hermanhermitage, hmm, -fexceptions is causing that error
[15:31] <dirty_d> i dont think this is supposed to be an error
[15:31] <Gadgetoid> TheBadger: you'll have a much happier time if you power your Pi directly from a mains adaptor, rather than running a power supply from the hub
[15:31] <dirty_d> its a configure test
[15:31] <Gadgetoid> Although some people here apparently have theirs working happily with that setup, others have said otherwise??? when it comes to USB/power there's a lot of anecdotal evidence and not much concrete ;D
[15:32] <TheBadger> thanks man :D I hope that it doesn't just blow up now lol
[15:32] <Gadgetoid> TheBadger: I've done it myself, with my hub connected and external power, and even tried powering my Pi from the hub
[15:32] <Gadgetoid> Not blown anything up, but I feel more comfortable giving it a dedicated supply
[15:33] * IT_Sean listends for the muffled 'THWOOMP" in the distance... ... ...
[15:33] <Gadgetoid> I don't think the Pi is all that easy to blow up
[15:34] <Gadgetoid> It's not like you can just switch the little switch on the back of the power supply and get instant fire
[15:34] <clockwize> hmm, my PI is on, the OK light is on (constantly?) but my HDMI isn't up :/ what do i do...
[15:34] <IT_Sean> Not unless you pull a daniel.
[15:34] <IT_Sean> :p
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[15:34] <markllama> It's small enough to fit in a water glass filled with Coca-Cola :-)
[15:34] <Gadgetoid> I wish some of these component suppliers would put together more starter kits, it costs them nothing to bundle stuff up
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[15:35] <umami> clackwize : have you ever gotten it to display?
[15:35] <clockwize> umami: yes
[15:35] <markllama> The one I built (and would like to see made) is a GPIO connector with a USB serial tail.
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[15:35] <markllama> I built one from a Nokia CA-42 USB cable and a 2x5 2.5mm connector unit.
[15:35] <umami> clockwize : through HDMI? I had to mess with my TV's settings to get it to be recognized
[15:35] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: LOL
[15:36] <markllama> (all computers should come with live console serial ports)
[15:37] <clockwize> umami: yes, worked 5 mins ag o:)
[15:37] <clockwize> hmm, just unplugged it and plugged it back in ..worked now >.<
[15:37] <umami> clockwize: what build are you running? Is that right off of a boot?
[15:37] <umami> clockwize: well, good deal that :)
[15:38] <clockwize> i'm running squeeze
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[15:39] <umami> clockwize: I haven't had much luck hotplugging/unplugging on my Sony CRT but it's supposed to be supported
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[15:42] <ReggieUK> should be incredibly simple to knock up a breakout board with a usb to serial adapter on it
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[15:58] <dirty_d> clockwize, not all usb hubs work
[15:58] <dirty_d> clockwize, what model is it
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[16:00] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8079&p=96901
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[16:00] <TheBadger> I am having a problem with FT232RQ on Rpi, program works on an ubuntu machine and just doesnt work on the rpi with same setup. The only difference I can notice with the dmesg on either machine is that ubuntu says using uhci_hcd and rpi says using dwc_otg
[16:00] <megaproxy> guys
[16:00] <megaproxy> how many rpi's do you think i coudl cram into a 2u case :P
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[16:00] <megaproxy> i want to make a bramble cluster :D
[16:01] <TheBadger> as soon as I plug into ubuntu machine the device flashes twice with leds, but only once on the pi, so it makes me think something is wrong with the pi and this chip:(
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[16:01] <IT_Sean> a 2 RU case? Lots.
[16:01] <IT_Sean> lots of Pis.
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[16:02] <dirty_d> TheBadger, usb to serial device?
[16:02] <TheBadger> yeah
[16:02] <TheBadger> sorry usb to 485
[16:03] <dirty_d> maybe youre missing a mocule?
[16:03] <dirty_d> module
[16:03] <TheBadger> I have tried using a powered hub and thats made no diffence
[16:03] <dirty_d> whats dmesg say when you plug it in?
[16:04] <NucWin> megaproxy i had that thought... guessing quite a lot
[16:04] <clockwize> dirty_d: It was like ??4 and totally unbranded, so i'm not bothered that I just destroyed the cable for it :)
[16:04] <clockwize> dirty_d: Which are supporteD?
[16:05] <TheBadger> okay here is dmesg on the pi which isnt working (leds flash once)
[16:05] <TheBadger> http://pastebin.com/pFcZ1MYS
[16:05] <dirty_d> clockwize, http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Hubs
[16:05] <TheBadger> and here is dmesg on ubuntu machine which is working (leds flash twice)
[16:05] <TheBadger> http://pastebin.com/m0v13vJN
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[16:05] <dirty_d> it looks like it is working
[16:06] <dirty_d> look in /dev and /dev/usb
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[16:07] <buzzkill> is there a bot in here I can trigger for things like the URI for the SD Card compatibility list?
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[16:07] <IT_Sean> buzzkill: No.
[16:07] <IT_Sean> sorry.
[16:07] <clockwize> dirty_d: this just stood out
[16:07] <clockwize> 7-port silver/black hub. Also sold elsewhere under brands such as 'EX-Pro', 'Trixes' and 'Xentra' -- This is probably due to an inadequate power supply.
[16:07] <clockwize> thats what I have
[16:07] <zrtsch> buzzkill: I heard the compatibility list isn't entirely accurate
[16:07] <ratherDashing> clockwize: whats the output of lsusb
[16:07] <buzzkill> it is a start...
[16:08] <clockwize> think it says ex-pro on the packaging that i got rid of
[16:08] <blkhawk> also at this point it seems to me a sd card incompatibility list would be better :P
[16:08] <clockwize> ratherDashing: It doesn't appear at al
[16:08] <megaproxy> i ask because i have 14u of 2u cases
[16:08] <ReggieUK> the compatibility list is moving all the time really
[16:08] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/zcoXw.jpg
[16:08] <TheBadger> dirty_d well it isnt working, I mean I am sure some of the features are
[16:08] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/BdsTy.jpg
[16:08] <ReggieUK> as there have been updates to the emmc driver that will have 'fixed' previous issues for some cards
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[16:09] <clockwize> anyway, its not an inadequate power supply! I replaced the inadequate power supply with a 2.5A 5V power supply that was quite expensive and good quality, it still didn't work
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[16:10] <steveccc> if i use tightvncserver to run a remote desktop server on display 1 then can I access this from the pi keyboard and mouse without logging into an environment - can I click the other button at the bottom and is there a remote client?
[16:11] <vvompy> Hi, I am running out of space on my rasp but I've an external hdd over USB connected..what is the best way to "integrate" that space into debian,so I can install more programs ?
[16:11] <ratherDashing> vvompy: move your whole root fs to the usb drive
[16:11] <megaproxy> i need to buy a rack tbh
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> vvompy, what size SD card did you use?
[16:12] <vvompy> 2gig
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> ok..
[16:12] <IT_Sean> And you've used up 2 gigs?
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[16:12] <IT_Sean> Impressive, green one.
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[16:12] <vvompy> yeah..I was playing around a bit ;)
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> hard to seamlessly integrate a 2nd drive, but you can format and mount it as another device, but you'll not be able to readilly install system type programs on it, just data.
[16:13] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> you really need a 4GB card if you've got that many pogramms installed!
[16:13] <ratherDashing> yeah i wouldn't integrate it, just move everything to the usb drive and have that are yer root fs
[16:13] <vvompy> so if I move the whole root folder to the usb-drive,I've to manipulate some paths or not?
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> I'd really sugest not trying it.
[16:14] <zgreg> I've seeb people recommend to reduce the maximum stack size (with ulimit or whatever) to reduce overall memory consumption. how is that opimization going to work? isn't stack space allocated as needed?
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> you end up with too many dependancies to boot - e.g. what happens if it's not plugged in and so on...
[16:14] <reider59> get some headache pills in ready if you do
[16:14] <ratherDashing> root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 you would change to your new root drive, i would suggest starting again with the debian installer
[16:14] <dirty_d> TheBadger, what is this converter attached to?
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> brb lunch is calling...
[16:16] <megaproxy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rittal-Glass-Fronted-Rack-Cabinet-Enclosure-Fan-/180891274254?pt=UK_Computing_Servers&hash=item2a1df5cc0e#ht_2860wt_1398
[16:16] <megaproxy> want
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> lunch still cooking.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, for home?
[16:16] <IT_Sean> That is a REALLY nice rack.
[16:16] <megaproxy> yea
[16:16] <IT_Sean> WANT
[16:17] <megaproxy> it has no sides though
[16:17] <megaproxy> easy to fix i guess
[16:17] <megaproxy> but getting room for that.
[16:17] <megaproxy> would be somewhat hard
[16:17] <IT_Sean> you could fabricate sides easily enough
[16:17] <Caver> erm .. think there's 3 of those in the server room here going unloved!
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[16:17] <megaproxy> i need a rack
[16:17] <Caver> you'll need a forklift and 4 burly men to move it mind
[16:17] <megaproxy> but 42u is way overkill
[16:17] <megaproxy> i need like, 10u
[16:17] <megaproxy> or 20
[16:17] <IT_Sean> Still... it's a really nice rack.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> hard to get deep 10U ones as they're typically "comms" racks for wallmounting....
[16:18] <Kolin> yeah gordonDrogon i have a 14u one
[16:18] <Kolin> and its not very deep
[16:18] * Caver plays with his rack
[16:18] <Kolin> about 600mm
[16:18] <megaproxy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/19-Server-Rack-Cabinet-22U-1000mm-Deep-/110855281325?pt=UK_Computing_Rackmount_Cabinets_Frames&hash=item19cf7d5aad
[16:18] <megaproxy> oh wow
[16:18] <megaproxy> thats prettty
[16:19] <vvompy> ratherDashing: I guess I wait till my friend gives me my 32gig back..thought it would easy to symlink some "unimportant" folders..but copying the whole / makes it really ugly when it comes to "forgot to plugin" and so on..
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[16:19] <NucWin> megaproxy you need some funky electronics to connect sd slot to shared hdd to boot them all in the case without flooding the 100mbps lan
[16:19] <Kolin> I only really use it for comms stuff though
[16:19] <megaproxy> NucWin, it would have its own vlan
[16:19] <megaproxy> 1gmbps
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[16:19] <megaproxy> and dedicated switch/router
[16:19] <megaproxy> gbps*
[16:19] <NucWin> but pi on 100mbps
[16:19] <megaproxy> derp
[16:20] <megaproxy> very good point..
[16:20] <NucWin> only*
[16:20] <NucWin> and management of 100x SD cards in the case will be a pain
[16:21] <megaproxy> id mount them on their side
[16:21] <NucWin> ooooh wonder how far an sd card signal would go
[16:21] <ratherDashing> vvompy: well if you want to cheat, symlink /usr/local/bin to yer external hard drive, but you won't be able to apt-get install stuff easily
[16:21] <megaproxy> like ... : | | | | | |
[16:21] <Matt> megaproxy: you're about a year and a half too late
[16:21] <megaproxy> for what.
[16:21] * Matt had a half-rack he was getting rid of
[16:21] <Matt> 20U or so
[16:21] <megaproxy> ooooooooh
[16:21] <megaproxy> lame :(
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[16:22] <Matt> if you only need a few U, get yourself an Ikea Lack coffee table
[16:22] <megaproxy> yea i saw them
[16:22] <megaproxy> but i have more than that would take
[16:22] <megaproxy> currently have 4u running at home
[16:23] <megaproxy> about to add 14u
[16:23] <Matt> aye, nothing beats a real rack :)
[16:23] <megaproxy> but i doubt ill use all 14u
[16:23] <megaproxy> ill give some to scouts groups
[16:23] <Matt> except a real rack with cable management :)
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[16:23] <megaproxy> haha
[16:23] <megaproxy> <3 cable management
[16:23] <megaproxy> have you see r/cableporn?
[16:24] <vvompy> oh..and if I want to get the raspbmc running under my existing debian image..is that possible? Till now I only found sd-images
[16:24] <megaproxy> i hope thats the right sub, otherwise ill get banhammerd
[16:24] <megaproxy> haha
[16:24] * Matt loves customers who have extra-wide and deep racks with cable management
[16:24] <three14> cable management is a lost art.
[16:24] <megaproxy> mmmm deep racks
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[16:24] <Matt> three14: aye
[16:24] <megaproxy> http://www.reddit.com/r/cableporn/
[16:24] <frankivo> megaproxy: i read that in homers voice :(
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[16:25] <steveccc> sorry to be a pain all - does anyone know if you can connect to a vncserver from the login screen of the pi?
[16:26] <traeak> framebuffer version of vnc ?
[16:26] <ratherDashing> steveccc: like using ssh?
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[16:27] <buzzkill> steveccc: didn't we talk about this yesterday?
[16:27] <hermanhermitage> steveccc: are you connecting to the pi or from the pi?
[16:27] <steveccc> ratherdashing: no i can remember that there is an option if you click session for different gui environments and I think there is an option for remote desktop - hence I wondered if this was able to connect to a vnc server
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[16:28] <traeak> you should qualify which distro you are running
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[16:28] <traeak> instead of asking something so nebulous
[16:28] <three14> megaproxy: i hate you for showing me this cableporn subreddit. :-| work day: wasted.
[16:28] <traeak> my rpi boots to a console login prompt
[16:29] <steveccc> hermanhermitage: kinda both - I have tightvncserver running on the pi and will mainly use it headless but then I thought can I connect from the pi to itself on display:1 if I want to pick up on what I was working on remotely
[16:29] <Gadgetoid> So many ICs??? my poor brain
[16:29] <steveccc> I am on debian
[16:29] <traeak> thankfully someone else will do the cabling
[16:29] <hermanhermitage> steveccc: i'm just using tmux/screens for that
[16:29] <traeak> i have no patience for that crap
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[16:29] <steveccc> hermanhermitage: what is tmux?
[16:30] <hermanhermitage> steveccc: but its shell only. with the right installation you should be able to do what you are trying. but out of the box vnc isnt secure, so you may want to run it over ssh (if you are doing it over a public network)
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[16:30] <steveccc> hermanhermitage: it will be local only
[16:30] <hermanhermitage> steveccc: think of it like a text version of vnc... for terminal windows/shell.
[16:30] <traeak> why do you need a gui to run on the pi ?
[16:30] <traeak> just curious
[16:31] <traeak> memory is pretty precious and probably better spent on caching
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[16:31] <hermanhermitage> traeak: i'm not, i'm using ssh via putty to raspberry pi now
[16:31] <hermanhermitage> but horses for courses, different strokes, different folks
[16:31] <traeak> steveccc: screen is more standard and works fine as well, but tmux is probably okay as well
[16:32] <traeak> hermanhermitage: ugh that means you are running windows somewhere :-p
[16:32] <hermanhermitage> yes
[16:32] <traeak> i prefer multiple ssh sessions honestly
[16:32] <traeak> that's what virtual desktops are for
[16:32] <chris_99> vnc is very slow tbh, something like neatx is far better
[16:34] <hermanhermitage> whats neatx?
[16:34] <hermanhermitage> is it for x11?
[16:34] <friggle> for anyone using my wheezy test image, please apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to update kernel+firmware for better sd card performance
[16:34] <traeak> NX server
[16:34] <steveccc> hermanhermitage: under actions on the logon screen there is an option for run XDMCP chooser - I this is what I wondered if it would be possible to connect to a vncserver
[16:34] <friggle> sorry the update wasn't instant, dpkg doesn't like updating files on a FAT partition (thanks to plugwash for the help there)
[16:34] <traeak> anything on the ubuntu/debian forums for doing this?
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[16:35] <traeak> what you are asking isn't very pi specific
[16:35] <steveccc> friggle: what are the advantages of the new image - what new features are there?
[16:35] <ratherDashing> friggle: what did you have to do to fix that? the boot partition has to be fat i believe
[16:35] <friggle> ratherDashing: plugwash had the cunning idea of a dpkg-divert in both preinst and postinst
[16:36] <friggle> steveccc: based on wheezy, much cleaner config and initial setup (no stale log files, user accounts etc), includes omxplayer
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[16:36] <friggle> steveccc: newer veersion of firmware. firmware is packaged as a deb
[16:36] <Caver> I thought NX was i386 only
[16:36] <friggle> steveccc: but it is *not* final yet. Just for testing
[16:37] <steveccc> friggle: whats the link - may install it onto a spare card when i have 5 mins
[16:37] <friggle> steveccc: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8071
[16:37] <ratherDashing> friggle: is omxplayer in the raspbian repo as well? did the regular debian repo add it?
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[16:38] <friggle> ratherDashing: I don't know if it's in raspbian. The package I'm using is not perfect debian style
[16:38] <friggle> definitely not in upstream debian
[16:38] <dirty_d> id build omxplayer from git
[16:38] <friggle> it is at least linked against system libav/libffmpeg
[16:38] <dirty_d> included one is probably old
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[16:38] <dirty_d> the git one has volume control
[16:39] <three14> speaking of raspbian, anyone know where i can find razor-qt. i've honestly never tried it.
[16:39] <ratherDashing> well i would doubt omxplayer would get pushed upstream, i think it's pretty platform specific
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[16:39] <friggle> dirty_d: yeah, I need to pull in those changes. Advantage of it being in the apt source is everyone can apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to get it
[16:40] <megaproxy> http://imgur.com/a/RyoUn#0
[16:40] <megaproxy> mmmmmmmmm
[16:40] <traeak> dirty_d: any luck on hardfloat package rebuilds?
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[16:40] <traeak> dirty_d: might be nice to try to leverage arch's build farm if possible
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[16:44] <dirty_d> traeak, workin on it
[16:44] <dirty_d> gcc is being a real pain
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[16:44] <ReggieUK> nothing new then
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[16:47] <dirty_d> traeak, how would i di that?
[16:48] <traeak> dirty_d: not sure
[16:49] <traeak> dirty_d: i was looking into running qemu yesterday but need to find an appropriately configured kernel to kick that off
[16:49] <dirty_d> traeak, thats what im doing now here use this...
[16:49] <traeak> dirty_d: you said you've been using debian for that?
[16:50] <dirty_d> http://archive.raspbian.org/qemu/raspbian_qemu_image.tar.bz2
[16:50] <dirty_d> raspbian
[16:50] <dirty_d> im using qemu in nographics mode
[16:50] <dirty_d> much better
[16:50] <traeak> sure
[16:50] <dirty_d> at least then you can copy and paste and use it over ssh
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[16:50] <traeak> avoid guis when possible, especially for stuff like this
[16:51] <traeak> i do almost all my windows work through cygwin ssh
[16:51] <dirty_d> you just gotta add a line to /etc/initrd
[16:51] <dirty_d> inittab
[16:51] <dirty_d> and console=ttyAMA0 in qemu cmdline
[16:52] <dirty_d> annual report, fml
[16:52] <dirty_d> ive been slacking all week
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[16:56] <steveccc> is there an ssh flag for install dependences
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[16:56] <dirty_d> ?
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[16:56] <steveccc> sorry i meant apt-get - been staring at a screen for too long
[16:57] <dirty_d> oh lol
[16:57] <steveccc> i want to install x-chat but its listing dependences and saying they wont be installed - could this be lack of disk space?
[16:57] <dirty_d> apt-cache depends ssh
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[16:58] <ratherDashing> steveccc: df -h
[16:58] <steveccc> 83mb free
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[17:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/raspberrypi.org :-(
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> yep. just noticed that...
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[17:07] <frankivo> E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 9165938D90FDDD2E)
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> site pings OK though.
[17:07] <frankivo> anyone else got that ?
[17:07] <frankivo> on raspbian
[17:07] <frankivo> well.. creating the chroot :P
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[17:08] <ukscone> down for me too
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[17:08] <ukscone> last night oit was down for several hours but i think it's the internet as pinterest and several other sites were down too
[17:08] <mythos> they are commng back for sure... they always do
[17:08] <mythos> ;)
[17:11] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: whaddya think of this display? http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/lcd/st7565-128x64-graphics-lcd-rgb
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[17:13] <steveccc> has anyone got a good guide to extending the / partition including filesystem - mines getting a bit close for comfort
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, looks pretty neat...
[17:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> Raspberry Pi ???@Raspberry_Pi
[17:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> Some twonk has been pointing a botnet at us every now and then over the last 24 hours - sorry if you're experiencing a DDoS.
[17:13] <markllama> nice.
[17:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://twitter.com/#!/Raspberry_Pi
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[17:14] <megaproxy> rpi shouldnt use webfusion :P
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> that's a bother.
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> I don't think they're using webfusion...
[17:15] <Butcho> DDoSing raspberrypi is like DDoSing Mister Rogers... why?
[17:15] <megaproxy> says on their site they are
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> Mythic beasts... thought they were independant..
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[17:15] <friggle> webfusion donate bandwidth for the cdn
[17:16] * megaproxy thinks rpi.org should move to the company i work for.
[17:16] <megaproxy> :P
[17:16] <friggle> megaproxy: maybe you should persuade them to donate some hosting :)
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> definately mythic-beasts.com
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[17:16] <megaproxy> tbh we probably would
[17:16] <megaproxy> shove em on our cloud
[17:16] <megaproxy> 10+gbps
[17:16] <megaproxy> :D
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> what cdn? it's hardly graphical content... just a big mysql database...
[17:17] <trevorman> Butcho: raging that they've not received their preorder yet? idk
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[17:17] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: the OS images?
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> probably some of ths nutters in COLA.
[17:17] <friggle> gordonDrogon: for the sd card image downloads
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, Hm. ok - thought they were all torrented though...
[17:18] <trevorman> there is a torrent and a direct download
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> ok. fairynuff!
[17:18] <Caver> steveccc, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4VovMDnsIE
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[17:19] <gordonDrogon> last tweet suggests they're use @cloudflare ...
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> I thought that was a fairly expensive thing, however...
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[17:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://elsmorian.com/post/23366148056/basic-raspberry-pi-setup
[17:20] <steveccc> caver: thanks - i only want to extend not use the whole card but the same method will apply - cheers
[17:20] <trevorman> downloads.raspberrypi.org is run by webfusion
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> only has one proper DDoS to my servers. Fortunately it didn't last long. It was quite effective though, but once I isolated the target server and dropped it at the edges it was managable.
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, yet another extend page: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it's text only, not graphics but you can often download new fonts to these things.
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[17:22] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, then again, I need to read more :)
[17:22] <steveccc> gordondrogon: thanks
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[17:24] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: not overly keen on the price, though :D
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, 18 quid? I don't think that's too bad....
[17:25] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Shame about the need for a display buffer, too, but that wouldn't be a problem on the Pi
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[17:25] <Gadgetoid> Getting the library up and running with the Pi would be interesting, though
[17:26] <Gadgetoid> Although perhaps not a huge challenge: https://github.com/adafruit/ST7565-LCD
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, no - more than enough memory there.
[17:27] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, I think I can spare a whole 1k :D
[17:28] <Gadgetoid> On the ATMega??? not so much, that's half the 328s RAM
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> wouldn't work in the ATmega168 I have here..
[17:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> time make
[17:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> oops
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> make time
[17:28] <Gadgetoid> Although driving it from a separate ATMega could be an interesting exercise
[17:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> well now done it on the RPi lets see how loing for a kernel
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, could do it from a 328.
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> RaTTuS|BIG, Get lots of coffee in :)
[17:29] * RaTTuS|BIG going home soon so will let it run all night ..,.,,.
[17:29] <Gadgetoid> RaTTuS|BIG: my bet's in at 1 hour 30 mins
[17:29] <Gadgetoid> No, wait, make that 3 hours
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[17:33] <gordonDrogon> I remember compiling MySQL on an ancient (200MHz) PC a couple of years ago... It took several hours... Not sure what the longest compile job I've done since leaving uny where getting a small fortran program through their batch system in under a day was a challenge sometimes...
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> My basic takes a mere 90 seconds on the Pi - 5 seconds on my desktop.
[17:33] <traeak> it's a problem
[17:35] <Gadgetoid> So many tempting components! make it stop, argh
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[17:36] <trevorman> I compiled openelec on an old p4 era celeron. It took about 20 hours
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[17:37] <trevorman> I've since moved everything to a new opteron machine
[17:38] <traeak> well compiling jagged alliance 2 stracciatella code base:
[17:38] <traeak> dual xeon: 10.7s
[17:38] <traeak> mele a1000: 2m10s
[17:38] <traeak> rpi: 7m40s
[17:38] <Gadgetoid> I might be better starting with the Nokia 3310 LCD
[17:41] <mjr> some thread sometime commented how some people might've been interested to port stepmania over to opengl es. Has that thing progressed at all?
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[17:43] <ratherDashing> why is the root partition formatted ext4 in raspbian but mounted ext3 in fstab?
[17:43] <traeak> atom z530: 2m35s
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> ratherDashing, sounds like someone goofed?
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[17:43] <zgreg> bootc: what's the state of the SPI driver in the 3.2 kernel?
[17:44] <traeak> wow, the a10 beats out the HT atom?
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I've used this before: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/graphic-lcd-128x64-stn-led-backlight-p-542.html slightly cheaper, but only green background.
[17:44] <traeak> retesting
[17:44] <zgreg> generally a cortex-a8 is no contender for atom
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, however that's 5v only.
[17:45] <traeak> doing a simple c++ project compilation
[17:45] <traeak> wonder if using HT slows down the compile
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[17:46] <Caver> does putting it on a USB mounted hard drive speed compiles up much?
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[17:46] <traeak> Caver: could test if the machine would stay stable
[17:46] <jardiamj> Hey silly me, should have read the README file of rpi-update,
[17:47] <zgreg> traeak: HT is usually beneficial for these kinds of loads
[17:47] <jardiamj> I just found out that you can pass a different ROOT_PATH and BOOT_PATH to it
[17:47] <zgreg> you have to actually use a parallel build, though (make -j3 or something like that)
[17:48] <Caver> just thinking how much a USB hard drive vs a network share would compare speed wise
[17:48] <markllama> Depends on the components
[17:49] <markllama> but likely the network would win
[17:49] <traeak> zgreg: usually yes, i know what i'm doing :-p
[17:49] <Caver> will have to experiment when I get home
[17:49] <markllama> (assuming iscsi)
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[17:49] <markllama> NFS, meh
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[17:49] <Caver> as I power mine from a USB hard drive base
[17:50] <traeak> and i forgot my multimeter again
[17:50] <markllama> of course, the Pi doesn't have a stock net-boot mechanism. I've been thinking of creating an SD card image to PXE boot.
[17:50] <Caver> go for it :)
[17:50] <bootc> zgreg: the state of it? works a treat :-)
[17:50] <markllama> from there you could start an iscsi initiator or run an overwrite kickstart install.
[17:51] <zgreg> I'd think a USB HDD performs better. I don't really get more than 6-7 MB/s over NFS, while USB HDDs have been reporting to achieve about 24 MB/s throughput
[17:51] <zgreg> bootc: also at high speeds? looks like there's no DMA support
[17:51] <bootc> no there's no DMA yet
[17:52] <markllama> yeah, probably most people won't have access to FCOE or iscsi targets ;-)
[17:52] <bootc> you're unlikely to get more than 8MHz through it anyway IMO
[17:52] <traeak> sry got timings all backwards
[17:52] <zgreg> really? why?
[17:52] <traeak> i mean builds
[17:52] <bootc> zgreg: well I got nasty signal degradation at 16 MHz
[17:53] <traeak> z530: 2m40s, a10 7m27s, rpi 27m40s
[17:53] <bootc> markllama: anyone running Linux can set up an iSCSI or FCoE target
[17:53] <traeak> testing with rpi to usb2.0 drive
[17:53] <zgreg> traeak: oh heh... no does makes more sense :)
[17:53] * markllama said "most people" ;-)
[17:53] <zgreg> *now
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[17:53] <markllama> but yeah, if you're talking most Pi users, it's probably more likely
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[17:54] <zgreg> bootc: that sucks. :( in theory it should be able to run at very high clock speeds, up to over 100 MHZ, IIRC
[17:54] <traeak> the 10s is an 2x core2q xeons
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[17:55] <traeak> probably uglier with 3930k
[17:55] <traeak> which i don'thave here
[17:56] <Caver> I'm confused ... what are you talking about
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo :) I can now upload from standard arduino IDE to ATmega via bit-banged GPIO with no other nast hacks required!
[17:57] <mjr> gordonDrogon, I like the part about "no _other_" ;)
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[17:58] <zgreg> well, the SPI interface we were talking about earlier should be perfect for programming AVRs
[17:58] <zgreg> without ANY nasty hack ;)
[17:58] <bootc> zgreg: you're welcome to try it, that's just what I found
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[17:59] <gordonDrogon> mjr, well quite. actually the whole process has been intersting. The tricky bit was getting a debian package re-built with some patches in it.
[17:59] <traeak> found this cool oscilloscope: Xprotolab
[17:59] <traeak> anyone play with that?
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> got a link?
[18:00] <traeak> http://www.saelig.com/product/PSHA026.htm
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[18:00] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. I saw those a while back.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> 200KHz... ATmega based too
[18:01] <bootc> take a look at the DSO Nano
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> I fancy one of these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/dso-quad-pocketsized-digital-oscilloscope-p-920.html
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> I think that's the updated nano?
[18:02] <bootc> I have an original DSO Nano, it's rather nice
[18:02] <bootc> gordonDrogon: no that's the Quad, has 4 channels
[18:02] <bootc> the Nano V2 has just one - http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/dso-nano-v2-p-681.html
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[18:03] <gordonDrogon> the quad has a faster sampling rate too by the looks of it. Something that would do 20MHz would be handy for arduino type projects.
[18:03] <trevorman> urgh "The "-" pole of proble is directly connected to GND of PC when USB connected. "
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[18:05] <gordonDrogon> Yea, I think a DSO quad will be on my shopping list at some point. Need to earn some more toy money.... any jobs going???
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[18:05] <trevorman> do you actually need it to be pocketable?
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> I've another catering go next week though, but this one won't pay )-: it's for a local project I volunteer at - they'll cover my costs and that's about it.
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, probably not!
[18:06] <tech2077> rpi-cecd works pretty good with xbmc
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[18:06] <tech2077> i haven't been able to crash it with regular use
[18:09] <traeak> the xprotolab used to be 35USD
[18:09] <traeak> but the DSO looks way bettef for not much more
[18:10] <trevorman> idk. i'd save up for something like a rigol if you're considering the DSO quad
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[18:11] <traeak> i don't use something like this professionally at this time
[18:11] <tech2077> i have the rigol, hacked to 100MHz, and it's great
[18:11] <dirty_d> i was going to get one
[18:11] <tech2077> i
[18:12] <dirty_d> the screen is big enough?
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[18:12] <tech2077> it usually helps solve any problems i have that my bus pirate or regular debugging can't fix
[18:12] <tech2077> dirty_d, yeah, it has a pretty nice display
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[18:13] <dirty_d> better than the similar owon ones?
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[18:13] <trevorman> advantage of the rigol is that they are/were easily hackable to double the bandwidth
[18:13] <tech2077> dirty_d, from what i've heard, yes
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[18:14] <trevorman> buy cheap 50mhz. reprogram slightly and get another 50mhz for free
[18:14] <tech2077> yep
[18:14] <tech2077> but now rigol sells the 100MHz officially at the same or around the same price
[18:14] <trevorman> actually having physical knobs on a scope is better anyway. messing around with a GUI will get annoying fast
[18:14] <trevorman> ahh
[18:15] <tech2077> trevorman, unless you create a custom usb device to twiddle a gui
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[18:16] <trevorman> I had the misfortune to use some agilent scope that had just one huge knob that you need to select the function for first
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[18:21] <traeak> changing from SD to usb didn't chnage the build time
[18:21] <rigel> can the RPi's USB/Ethernet handle two ethernet ports at 100mbps simultaneously?
[18:21] <IT_Sean> Why dost AT&T wee on me!? Where is my 3G!!!???
[18:22] <trevorman> rigel: its only got 1 ethernet interface
[18:22] <IT_Sean> Bloody slow Edge connectivity :|
[18:22] <trevorman> I'd be surprised if it can max out the single existing 100mbps interface anyway
[18:22] <megaproxy> guys.
[18:22] <megaproxy> best way to destroy 100hdds
[18:22] <megaproxy> best = funest
[18:23] <trevorman> industrial shredder thats rated to do HDs
[18:23] <rigel> i know, but since the ethernet depends on the usb, dont it?
[18:23] <trevorman> rigel: yes
[18:23] <dirty_d> shaped charges
[18:23] <megaproxy> but thats not fun.
[18:23] <megaproxy> im thinking thermite
[18:23] <mjr> rigel, do you mean if you plug in another usb ethernet? wouldn't count on it being able to saturate both at once
[18:23] <rigel> was wondering if i could plug in another ethernet int via usb
[18:23] <trevorman> well it is fun if you're allowed to throw them in :)
[18:23] <IT_Sean> megaproxy: mains voltage applied to alternate IDE pins
[18:23] <traeak> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856205006
[18:23] <trevorman> rigel: you can
[18:23] <traeak> buy one of those :-p
[18:23] <rigel> i know i CAN
[18:23] <trevorman> rigel: the ethernet chip is actually a USB hub with a built in USB ethernet dongle
[18:23] <rigel> im wondering if it can handle it
[18:24] <trevorman> so you'd be running everything off that single USB port on the SoC
[18:24] <traeak> that has dual gigabit
[18:24] <mjr> it's been said on the channel that the on-board ethernet especially has large USB overhead for transmit (not sure if that's fixable in the driver)
[18:24] <trevorman> rigel: not tried it but I'd hazard a guess and say that no, you won't be able to max out two 100mbps ethernet connections on the RPi
[18:25] <mjr> so especially with that, probably won't get both running full tilt
[18:25] <tech2077> megaproxy, you need to stack them
[18:25] <megaproxy> make a pyramid
[18:25] <trevorman> assuming large packets anyway. if you're trying to push something like 68 byte packets then there is no chance
[18:25] <tech2077> not as affective
[18:25] <megaproxy> then put a load of thermite on
[18:25] <megaproxy> WOOSH
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[18:25] <tech2077> if you stack them, you can see it burn THROUGH them
[18:25] <megaproxy> i guess if i stack
[18:25] <megaproxy> yea
[18:25] <megaproxy> hmmm
[18:25] <megaproxy> 100 tall stack tho..
[18:25] <megaproxy> will just fall over
[18:25] <megaproxy> haha
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[18:26] <tech2077> you also need something to funnel the thermite onto one spot
[18:26] <trevorman> megaproxy: that much thermite would probably be more akin to an explosion
[18:26] <dirty_d> use 4 25 stacks
[18:26] <trevorman> if its got to burn through 100 HDs
[18:26] <tech2077> trevorman, no
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[18:26] <tech2077> it won't explode if you didn't put any weird stuff in the mix
[18:27] <trevorman> yeah but you're burning through HDs that have a mixture of metals, plastics etc...
[18:27] <megaproxy> http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=fubar+tool&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&resnum=3&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&ix=h9&biw=1854&bih=938&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=457511900406324893&sa=X&ei=axDaT4GOBond8gOFnYj4AQ&ved=0CIgBEPICMAU
[18:27] <dirty_d> crush 1 at a time with a large sledgehammer
[18:27] <megaproxy> we hav eone of them in the office...
[18:27] <megaproxy> could use that
[18:27] <megaproxy> its a mean tool :D
[18:27] <dirty_d> thats the most satisfying way
[18:27] <dirty_d> lol
[18:27] <oldman> Has anyone managed to get OpenELEC xbmc to connect to a network?
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[18:27] <trevorman> the "easy" way is industrial shredder. the cheap but tedious way is to just take them apart.
[18:27] <megaproxy> i wouldnt mind taking the magnets
[18:27] <trevorman> oldman: yeah. works fine here over cifs. nfs does work as well
[18:28] <megaproxy> because.... magnets
[18:28] <dirty_d> megaproxy, build a rocket sled and fly them int oa brick wall at 500mph
[18:28] <Davespice> I've had openelec working over a samba share, as in playing a file accross the network from the hard drive of a windows pc
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[18:28] <dirty_d> lol
[18:28] <megaproxy> hahaha
[18:28] <megaproxy> impact test them
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, boring but workable is to use a pillar drill and an apprentice... at least that's what I've done before... single drill, done.
[18:28] <hotwings> why do you want to destroy hd's
[18:28] <megaproxy> customer data
[18:29] <megaproxy> old servers etc
[18:29] <oldman> trevorman: Any tips one what I am doing wrong . I can not get it to connect. Debian works fine as does raspbmc
[18:29] <dirty_d> that wont destroy all the ata on the platters
[18:29] <megaproxy> this is why thermite
[18:29] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: poor apprentice. hey! got a fun job for you today! as you lead them to massive crate of HDs and a single drill press
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd just takes too long )-:
[18:29] <trevorman> oldman: using cifs?
[18:29] <megaproxy> we will probably get a shredder anyway
[18:29] <megaproxy> but we wana have some fun with them first
[18:29] <dirty_d> kill it with fire
[18:29] <dirty_d> just burn them
[18:29] <megaproxy> with thermite
[18:29] <megaproxy> >.>
[18:29] <megaproxy> :D
[18:29] <dirty_d> or a regular fire
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[18:29] <hotwings> hd's have very powerful magnets in them.. they work GREAT for magnetizing things like screwdrivers! :)
[18:29] <megaproxy> nein!
[18:29] <dirty_d> heat is ehough to demagnetize
[18:29] <IT_Sean> I have a sure fire way to destroy them
[18:30] <trevorman> just don't drop your wallet on them
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> hotwings, yea, but a pita to remove sometimes...
[18:30] <TheBadger> trying to resize my sd partition on the pi, however it says value out of range for my last sector
[18:30] <TheBadger> am i right in thinking an 8GB cards last sector would be like 790000000
[18:30] <oldman> trevorman: I can not get my system to allocate an ip address. so cifs or nfs etc will not work.
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> admittedly, the last lot I got rid of, I used an axe and big chopping block...
[18:30] <IT_Sean> You will need 5 miles of railroad track, three GE diesel electric locomotives, 5 garden gnomes, and a video camera, though.
[18:30] <ratherDashing> TheBadger: you usually just have to hit enter for the last sector
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> only had 30 to do though.
[18:30] <megaproxy> hahah
[18:30] <megaproxy> im sure that can be arranged.
[18:30] <trevorman> oldman: eh? thats not normal. are the LEDs lighting up on your RPi?
[18:30] <TheBadger> ahh right awesome ratherdashing!
[18:30] <IT_Sean> Lemme know when you've arranged that, megaproxy
[18:30] <hotwings> ive found hd's dont hold up well to a hammer
[18:31] <megaproxy> hehe
[18:31] <hotwings> those poor little screws are easy to pop
[18:31] <oldman> trevorman I think I have 4 leds.lit.
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[18:31] <r00t|home> poor hdds... you bastards... :(
[18:31] <megaproxy> should i get a load of acid?
[18:31] <hotwings> cats paw + hammer = hd disassembly in <20secs
[18:31] <megaproxy> and drop them in that
[18:31] <IT_Sean> I know for a fact that the US NSA uses a big [cencored]off shredder to destroy harddrives.
[18:31] <megaproxy> or put them in a bath of iron filings
[18:31] <trevorman> oldman: odd then. it should work. DHCP works okay on the rest of your network?
[18:31] <megaproxy> then spin them up
[18:31] <megaproxy> :D
[18:32] <trevorman> IT_Sean: loads of places do. you can rent industrial shredders that are rated to handle metal (or bodies). the offsite storage place we use has one and we go there every so often to shred tapes and old HDs
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[18:32] <IT_Sean> I'm just saying, if it's good enough for the gubment...
[18:32] <dirty_d> maybe make some very powerful electromagnet
[18:33] <oldman> trevorman: no problems with any oter equipment.I have a mixture of dhcp and fixed ips.
[18:33] <trevorman> just make sure you have a really long wooden plank as a poking stick. you don't want to get that close to the input hopper...
[18:33] <r00t|home> trevorman: "or bodies"... i wonder how often you rented one of those yet...
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[18:33] <dirty_d> i think fire is the easiest though
[18:33] <dirty_d> just dump them in and youre done
[18:33] <trevorman> the smoke from it will be pretty nasty
[18:33] <dirty_d> or bury them, lol
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> right. need to pop-out an go past this sign: http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Twin-town-s-return-Narnia/story-15522236-detail/story.html
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> laters!
[18:33] <trevorman> r00t|home: >.>
[18:33] <r00t|home> dirty_d: has to be hot enough and burn long enough, doesn't seem safe...
[18:34] <dirty_d> shouldnt take long to demagnetize the platters
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[18:34] <trevorman> if it was a couple HDs then a fire would be fine. not so sure about a massive pile of 100
[18:34] <dirty_d> no its not safe at all
[18:34] <dirty_d> but its fun
[18:34] <IT_Sean> Fire them out of a tank's main turrent gun, into a concrete wall
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[18:34] <megaproxy> ^best
[18:34] <dirty_d> or fire a sabot through 100 lined up
[18:34] <megaproxy> i do have some model rocket engines
[18:34] <megaproxy> i will strap 4 to a drive
[18:34] <megaproxy> and hit fire
[18:34] <megaproxy> see what happens
[18:35] <IT_Sean> OOOH! Armor peircing rounds! Se hoow many one can go through!
[18:35] <trevorman> then run like hell in hopefully the opposite direction?
[18:35] <megaproxy> guns, in england?!
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[18:35] <megaproxy> mind you i have a shotgun
[18:35] <megaproxy> i could use that
[18:35] <megaproxy> i say i
[18:35] <megaproxy> i mean my uncle
[18:35] <dirty_d> youre gonna need a lot of ammo
[18:35] <dirty_d> lol
[18:35] <megaproxy> but he lives down the road..
[18:35] <r00t|home> megaproxy: is sending them to space safe enough? what if aliens recover them and read your customer's data?
[18:35] <IT_Sean> I like the tank idea
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[18:35] <megaproxy> hmmm good point
[18:35] <megaproxy> aleins might do some fraud n shit
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[18:36] <trevorman> megaproxy: well if you're a school or government office then the correct disposal method is apparently just not formatting them and ebaying it
[18:36] <megaproxy> lmao
[18:36] <megaproxy> :D
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[18:37] <IT_Sean> I have found SOO much stuff i shouldn't on secondhand computers
[18:37] <megaproxy> ohgod
[18:37] <megaproxy> migrane inbound
[18:37] <megaproxy> D=
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[18:39] <reider59> is it you with migraine Mega or joking? I know something that can and does ease it, sometimes gets rid of it in a few minutes, non medicinal. PM me if you want to try it.
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[18:40] <IT_Sean> ...
[18:40] <reider59> I used to get migraine all the time and never get so much as a headache now
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[18:48] <jardiamj> I think I might need it too reider59...
[18:48] <jardiamj> what is it?
[18:49] <reider59> pm me
[18:49] <hotwings> reider59 quit trying to sell drugs in here
[18:49] <reider59> not selling anything, I never do anything with drugs and hate druggies so butt out
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[18:52] <reider59> It's Chinese and from years back, nerve manipulation
[18:52] <sjc_> reider59: If you have some 'non-medicinal' way of alleviating it, you should have no issue saying what it is - yes, it's off-topic, but being so hush-hush and making it PM only doesn't look very good, you must admit.
[18:52] <the_cuckoo> lying down in a dark room works for me - i believe oxygen works well too
[18:52] <reider59> I took it to pm to keep it out of th eroom
[18:52] <reider59> thats good too cuckoo
[18:53] <reider59> hotwings: I`m not into gay sex so stop pming me
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[18:54] <hotwings> [09:48:38] <hotwings> ok fine, what is it if its not drugs then?
[18:54] <hotwings> [09:49:40] <reider59> WTF has it to do with you? Someone has pain and I told them an old Chinese remedy from years back. Stop sticking your nose in when someone tries to help folks having migraine like I had for years
[18:54] <hotwings> [09:49:46] <reider59> who are you God?
[18:54] <hotwings> [09:49:52] <reider59> now sod off
[18:54] <hotwings> [09:51:02] <hotwings> are you stupid?
[18:54] <hotwings> [09:51:14] <reider59> piss off
[18:54] <hotwings> [09:51:42] <hotwings> yes, you are stupid apparently. and probably a teenager from the sound of it
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[18:54] <reider59> lol
[18:54] * Matt blinks
[18:54] <hotwings> why would somebody be sooooo secretive about such things?
[18:54] <IT_Sean> AHEM
[18:54] <hotwings> reider59 is about as legit as a 3 dollar bill
[18:54] <reider59> try reading, I tried to keep it out of the room cos its not Pi D`oh!
[18:55] <megaproxy> home time o/
[18:55] <reider59> whatever!
[18:55] <reider59> mega, what did I tell you basically?
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[18:55] <hotwings> in case you didnt notice, there was plenty of chat about destroying harddrives in here a few minutes ago.. also not rpi related
[18:55] <reider59> a possible way to fix your migraine without drugs?
[18:56] <reider59> were they purveyors of dodgy harddrives, did you accuse them? lol
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[19:02] <ratherDashing> migraine without drugs? tons of water and time, that's basically everything you can do without drugs
[19:03] <IT_Sean> let's all agree to drop the migrane drug discussion, so as to not feed the troll?
[19:03] <three14> ^this
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[19:05] <three14> So has anyone here tried Razor-QT? I asked earlier but walked away from the computer for a bit.
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[19:06] <reider59> no troll, I tried to take it to pm
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[19:07] <IT_Sean> reider59: we've dropped it.
[19:08] <reider59> good
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[19:09] <reider59> quit the pms please
[19:09] <nirokato> three14: Not yet, it looks nice and light.
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[19:10] <nirokato> three14: have you been using it at all?
[19:10] <three14> nirokato, No, I haven't had a chance to try it. It looked nice and I was wondering how it compared to XFCE or LXDE.
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[19:11] <nirokato> three14: it looks similar from the screenshots on their website. I've got tomorrow off, I'll give it a go then and see how well it does.
[19:12] <three14> nirokato, same. today or tmw i might try. a quick search doesn't show it in the raspbian repo from what i can tell. but i could be wrong.
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[19:13] <frankivo> without SD, will de RPi give any display at all?
[19:13] <trevorman> no
[19:13] <IT_Sean> No.
[19:14] <frankivo> thanks :)
[19:14] <trevorman> no SD = a paperweight that lights up that single PWR LED. nothing else at all.
[19:14] <frankivo> will eat my pizza quickly then
[19:14] <frankivo> and run off the a store
[19:14] <frankivo> :)
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[19:15] <three14> without an sd card you could use the underside as a pumice stone.
[19:15] <zleap> yeah it may damage the board though lol
[19:16] <zleap> actually that gives me an idea for my old windows cd's attach sand paper to em and use em for sanding things lol
[19:16] <IT_Sean> could use old AOL CDs too
[19:16] <zleap> not got many of those, used to get loads
[19:17] <hotwings> i swear i would get aol cds in the mail every other day
[19:17] <nirokato> IT_Sean: I have a few of those that I use for coasters still.
[19:17] <three14> remember when AOL sent you something useful, like floppies.
[19:17] <IT_Sean> Ah yes, the goold old days
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[19:18] <hotwings> compuserve :]
[19:18] <hotwings> qsd
[19:20] <three14> i miss the sound of dial-up
[19:20] <three14> except at 3am
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[19:20] <IT_Sean> erft... my office is full of modems. I cannot stand the screechy modem noise
[19:20] <mute> that is awesome
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[19:21] <hotwings> IT_Sean - do you work in a museum?
[19:21] <nirokato> lol
[19:21] <IT_Sean> No.
[19:21] <IT_Sean> I do not.
[19:21] <IT_Sean> But i do work with analog dial modems on a day to day basis.
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> Payment industry?
[19:21] <trevorman> turn down the speaker volume then...
[19:21] <IT_Sean> Nope.
[19:21] <three14> remove the piezo?
[19:21] <IT_Sean> And hearing hte modem train is a good troubleshooting tool, so, no muting them.
[19:21] <mute> we still use modems for automated weather system.
[19:22] <IT_Sean> Nope, not weather systems, either.
[19:22] <three14> and ISP?
[19:22] <three14> an*
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[19:22] <trevorman> loads of embedded stuff use modems still
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[19:22] <IT_Sean> I don't work for an ISP, no.
[19:22] <hotwings> fax center
[19:22] <nidO> modem repair shop?
[19:22] <IT_Sean> nope, not faxes.
[19:22] <mute> just tell us!
[19:22] <trevorman> people repair modems?
[19:22] <IT_Sean> not am odem repair shop (do those exist!?)
[19:22] <three14> a modem repair shop. lol
[19:22] <hotwings> heh nidO
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> A cheese shop.
[19:23] <trevorman> I would have thought you'd just throw it out and buy another one
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[19:23] <IT_Sean> heh... I like the MP reference, but, no, this is NOT a cheese shoppe.
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[19:24] <hotwings> i still own 2 modems.. a commodore 1670 1200 baud, and a usr v.everything... both of which are somewhere buried in a pile of stuff i havent touched in well over a decade
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[19:24] <three14> i wish i still have my external USR
[19:24] * IT_Sean has no less than 5 modems in his office, at the moment.
[19:24] <three14> :'(
[19:24] <trevorman> I had a v.everything as well
[19:24] <trevorman> good modem
[19:24] <traeak> what's a modem
[19:25] <hotwings> IT_Sean works for n.korea national security
[19:25] <Matt> MOdulator DEModulator
[19:25] <IT_Sean> No he doesn't, hotwings
[19:25] <Caver> you say that
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[19:26] <three14> Pfft, a good portion of the USA still uses dial-up or satellite.
[19:26] <trevorman> traeak: the sound bite on TV/films where some l33t hax0r is also using a green CRT that makes ditditdit noises when characters appear at 110baud
[19:26] <IT_Sean> I love the ditditdit noise :)
[19:27] <three14> I wasn't even able to get ADSL until 2001-ish, and even then it was something like 768/384
[19:27] <trevorman> an OS designed by Hollywood would have amazing security until you typed in BYPASS with the password GOD or LETMEIN
[19:27] <Caver> IT_Sean, can you whistle it yourself and suceeed?
[19:27] <traeak> trevorman: i had one of the earlier modems as well...the old days of using 370 mainframes as the "internet"
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[19:27] <three14> trevorman, unless it was a Gibson
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[19:28] <trevorman> my uncle had a modem that was as big as a regular PC now
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[19:28] <trevorman> it was the best doorstop ever
[19:28] <trevorman> big metal box with many many cards inside
[19:28] <trevorman> three14: lol
[19:29] <ivanoats> hi I am using the directions here: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup "Copying an image to the SD Card in Mac OS X" and I get an error dd: /dev/rdisk3: invalid argument. I also get the same error trying to restore the image from Disk Utility. any tips or suggestions?
[19:29] <ivanoats> here's my dd command: sudo dd bs=1 if=./debian6-19-04-2012/debian6-19-04-2012.img of=/dev/rdisk3
[19:30] <nidO> is disk3 where your card is?
[19:30] <ivanoats> yeah, df -h lists /dev/disk3/s1 /Volumes/UNTITLED
[19:30] <ivanoats> a brand new SD card
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[19:31] <nidO> and you've then unmounted it?
[19:31] <ivanoats> I was thinking - maybe the torrent got corrupted? but it was a zip, and it unzipped fine
[19:31] <ivanoats> yes, unmounted
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[19:32] <jardiamj> why some times when I apt-get update I get a bunch of lines going full speed up my screen endlessly?
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[19:32] <jardiamj> they seem to repeat, but I cannot read them..
[19:32] <ivanoats> jardiamj: it's just checking a lot of sources
[19:32] <nirokato> ivanoats: df -h should not list the card if it is unmounted
[19:32] <jardiamj> no, it gets stocked there...
[19:32] <Butcho> anyone install wordpress on their pi? The minute I hit a wp page, my pi becomes unresponsive (but not locked up, just slow)
[19:33] <ivanoats> nirokato: correct, it shows up before unmount, not after
[19:33] <jardiamj> I have to power off and on my Pi
[19:33] <rm> Butcho, permanently slow?
[19:33] <rm> or just while the page is loading
[19:33] <nidO> Butcho, not terribly suprising
[19:34] <Butcho> well I never waited around to stop mysql on it
[19:34] <Butcho> I just rebooted it.
[19:34] <ivanoats> Butcho - can you run top and see what is using CPU or memory?
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[19:35] <Butcho> it's like somehow when apache2 hits the database, it has problems
[19:35] <Butcho> but it installed fine
[19:35] <nacimmep> dont you think apache is a bit bulky for a pi?
[19:36] <nacimmep> maybe lighttpd
[19:36] <nacimmep> :P
[19:36] <Butcho> heck no
[19:36] <Butcho> apache is fine
[19:36] <friggle> I like nginx
[19:36] <nidO> apache+php+mysql run fine on the pi, but they gobble a fair amount of the system's memory, then wordpress is undoubtedly slurping up the rest
[19:36] <nacimmep> sqlite
[19:36] <nacimmep> :P
[19:36] <ivanoats> I'm raspberry pi newb but I've been using Apache for years on cloud servers with only 256MB RAM and a shared process.. should run fine on a PI, right ?
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[19:37] <nacimmep> i dont like apache
[19:37] <Butcho> apache certainly runs fine on pis
[19:37] <nidO> wordpress needs mysql, but you can use nginx instead of apache
[19:37] <ivanoats> how much memory are you giving php in your php.ini ?
[19:38] <Butcho> 128M
[19:39] <mute> there are memory tweaks for mysql as well
[19:39] <Caver> well probably you want to tune down the number of threads it's got
[19:39] <Caver> also change the bios blob for the 224Mb one
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[19:39] <nidO> lower that 128MB limit, its pointlessly high on a pi and unneccesary for wordpress, if you've got a plugin gobbling more than it should thats just gonna instantly kill your pi
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[19:40] <nidO> change php's memory limit to 32mb, see if you have the same problem or just start getting max memory errors (or blank pages) from wordpress
[19:40] <ivanoats> but really you should just use phuby ( https://github.com/tenderlove/phuby ) :p
[19:40] <Butcho> what do you recommend?
[19:40] <Butcho> ahh 32 nm
[19:40] <Butcho> mb
[19:41] <ivanoats> oh fixed my dd problem, was missing bs=1m, has bs=1 by mistake
[19:41] <ivanoats> wait spoke too soon
[19:41] <nacimmep> over 9000!!!
[19:42] <ivanoats> what 9000?
[19:43] <mythos> that's the joke
[19:43] <ivanoats> no, there's no way that can be right
[19:44] <mythos> your meme-skillz are over 9000!!!111elf
[19:44] <mythos> ;)
[19:44] <nirokato> ivanoats: how about leaving the "bs" option off the dd command?
[19:44] <ivanoats> now I'm going to actually man dd and actually read it
[19:45] <mythos> maybe a big M?
[19:45] <ivanoats> yeah, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=6605&p=90319&hilit=invalid+argument#p90319
[19:46] * mythos just got over 9000 leetpoints
[19:47] <Matt> nirokato: if you leave off bs, it defaults to 512 byte blocks
[19:47] <ivanoats> so in that forum post above xtramural said he gets the invalid argument error but it still works
[19:47] <ivanoats> gonna assume the same, find my hdmi cable and try it
[19:48] <Matt> "if" is input file, "of" is output file, "bs" is block size (in bytes), "count" is how many blocks to read/write
[19:48] <Matt> then other typical options are seek and skip, which specify how many blocks to skip in the source and destination files
[19:51] <Butcho> wordpress on a pi (lol) -> http://pastebin.com/USHdn0s6
[19:53] <Caver> erk ... why not change to the 224Mb bios?
[19:53] <Butcho> I haven't read up on that yet
[19:53] <Butcho> just getting to know my little sweetheart
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[19:54] <Caver> :)
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[19:55] <Butcho> sudo cp /boot/arm224_start.elf /boot/start.elf
[19:55] <Butcho> well thats easy
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[19:56] <Butcho> ruined my 3 day uptime
[19:57] <Caver> :(
[19:58] <politoed> sniffles
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[19:58] <politoed> I need to do the same
[19:59] <three14> i wish there were a way to give less than 32 to the GPU
[20:03] <Caver> well some of it is buffers for other bits of hardware too
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[20:04] <Caver> night all
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[20:05] <Gadgetoid> I don't even.... what... err: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YV2WG9DuXhE/T9nrnxa9AiI/AAAAAAAAI2Q/9nv17Y6juJc/s934/Understanding+Debian.png
[20:05] <mute> growing up my video card had no where near 32mb and it did just fine !
[20:06] <Gadgetoid> Trident 1mb, ftw
[20:06] <three14> Mmm, Trident
[20:07] <three14> I had an S3 Virge once.
[20:08] <three14> Pretty sure it had 4MB ram
[20:08] <mute> thought mine was a CL of some sort
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[20:09] <mute> gigantic VLB welding a whopping 1mb
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[20:11] <three14> remember the old voodoo cards? back when SLI meant scan line interleave?
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[20:11] <mute> what's SLI mean now...?
[20:11] <three14> scalable link....something
[20:12] <mute> ah
[20:12] <three14> interface
[20:12] <reider59> I probably still have S3 Virge and voodoo in my collection in the puter studio. I hate throwing out computer equipment
[20:12] <zleap> same here
[20:12] <zleap> even though i have to some times or at least try and give stuff away
[20:13] <three14> old hardware + aqua regia, ftw
[20:13] <three14> especially on old cyrix cpus
[20:13] <zleap> yeah
[20:13] <zleap> thats a mix of nitric acid and another acid IIRC
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[20:13] <three14> hydrochloric + nitric
[20:13] <zleap> thats it
[20:14] <three14> i think 3 parts hydrochloric, 1 part nitric
[20:14] <zleap> ah
[20:14] <nacimmep> who's cooking meff?
[20:14] <zleap> yeah it dissolves gold iirc
[20:14] <reider59> I give some away to friends and family but their`s still about 7 machines here including my Mac Mini (pre Intel) then god knows what spares. I threw out about 10 keyboards and 3 printers + an old broken monitor/TV recentlt, broke my heart to do it.
[20:14] <politoed> and platinum
[20:14] <reider59> *recently
[20:15] <zleap> yeah they are close to each other in the periodic table i think (i need to look)
[20:16] <three14> i think platinum is 78 and gold is 79
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[20:16] <three14> could be wrong
[20:16] <reider59> My son goes for a nosey sometimes and grabs a few bits when he visits lol
[20:16] <traeak> so what does only giving the gpu 32MB do to it?
[20:16] <traeak> just kill 1080p gaming?
[20:17] <three14> if by 1080p gaming you mean playing Frozen Bubble at 1080p, then yes
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[20:19] <reider59> My electronics starter kit should be here tomorrow. I`ll take a look over the weekend and see what I can blow up with it lol
[20:20] <reider59> Hey, maybe I can rob some parts to add to it from some of the old stuff I have, circuit boards, motherboards etc. If anything is salvagable.....
[20:20] <three14> pair of hemostats, good iron, and a solder sucker is what i usually use
[20:22] <Butcho> there a direct link to order a PI from RS? all I can do is register my interest
[20:22] <three14> no, just register
[20:22] <three14> they'll add you to a queue
[20:22] <IT_Sean> You register interest, and then they let you know when they have one you cna order
[20:22] <IT_Sean> you need to join the queue
[20:22] <Butcho> roger that
[20:23] <reider59> I got a large magnifying glass on an adjustable arm and two crocodile clips on arms at each side. Invaluable when your eyes start going, I pick the soldering iron up then can`t see a thing normally
[20:23] <zleap> they are useful for spotting problems with pcb's anyway or checking joints
[20:24] <reider59> Dad picked up a vice on a suction cup, press a lever and it/s stuck solid. Couldn`t believe it
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[20:24] <reider59> It's really made life easy using that
[20:25] <zleap> reider59, i have one of those
[20:25] <reider59> You use it much?
[20:25] <three14> mpthompson, how goes the donations?
[20:25] <zleap> used to
[20:25] <zleap> may use it more once i have a rasp PI
[20:26] <reider59> I do all the time. ahhhh has the RasPi not got there yet?
[20:26] <zleap> but its there for when i need it, in a tool box at the moment
[20:27] <ReggieUK> I use a jewellers loupe and reading glasses depending what it is
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[20:27] <ReggieUK> +3 readers are great :)
[20:28] <three14> as i've gotten older I've noticed that one eye can see up close better than the other. i imagine i look like a fool with my head slightly turned while i squint.
[20:29] <reider59> It's a bit infuriating when you have to put glasses on to see to solder. That's why I picked up the magnifying glass/Croc Clips. They were on offer but I couldn`t move at the time due to my spine, so my Dad got one and dropped it off on his next visit, he lives 100 miles away so it was good he had the same shop.
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[20:30] <ReggieUK> I found that light is a big issue these days too
[20:30] <ReggieUK> need lots of it
[20:30] <reider59> That's exactly how I feel with mine, one eye feels stronger. enough to make a difference. shutting one eye and keeping the other open sometimes makes it easier lol
[20:30] <three14> now are crocodile clips different from alligator clips? because i know that the two animals differ in width of their....snout (right word?)
[20:31] <reider59> They might be alligator, I just used the term crocodile. On my meds I`m lucky to get most words right lol
[20:31] <teubay> Hello, do you know what can of module should I add in my kernel to get my SD card (16GB SDHC Class 10 Extreme (45MB/s U1) (BL1203322025G) - Doesn't work with stock debian6-19-04-2012 image, but does work with freshly compiled kernel)
[20:31] <ReggieUK> maybe ones got a round nose
[20:31] <teubay> thanks
[20:31] <ReggieUK> and the other one is squarer?
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[20:32] <ReggieUK> teubay, you just need the latest kernel, the stock debian has the original drivers afaik
[20:32] <piney0> wouldn't something round nose be called bull nosed? I never realized all the references to different animal species.
[20:32] <teubay> ReggiesUK I built the latest kernel but its still failing to boot
[20:33] <reider59> ahhh bull dog clips too, but they`re easier to work out
[20:33] <ReggieUK> not sure what to suggest teubay
[20:34] <ReggieUK> maybe zgreg can suggest something when he is around
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[20:34] <teubay> ReggieUK Ok I will try to figure it by myself in the meantime
[20:34] <reider59> I think if I won the lottery I might, just might, be tempted to try laser eye treatment. Not 100% sure though, I do know a few people who had it done and swear by it, but long term may be a different thing.
[20:35] <sjc_> reider59: long-term I probably wouldn't.. too many unknowns. I've seen people rejected from jobs because of it :/
[20:36] <reider59> Yes, I heard about some companies turning people down for jobs after it.
[20:36] <ReggieUK> teubay, do you have another sd card?
[20:36] <reider59> Another 13 years and I retire anyway ;-)
[20:37] <teubay> ReggieUK not big enough
[20:37] <teubay> is there a raspberry pi firmware to update ?
[20:37] <ReggieUK> you could always get a debian image working on that, update it using rpi-update and then dd it to your class 10 card
[20:37] <ReggieUK> but if you haven't got one that's big enough
[20:37] <ReggieUK> teubay, wait a moment, let me find you a link
[20:38] <teubay> ReggiesUK I will try that
[20:38] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=5057&start=75
[20:38] <ReggieUK> somewhere in that thread, lb has posted a kernel img that you can try
[20:38] <ReggieUK> I think it needs the firmware updated too
[20:39] <ReggieUK> perhaps that's the issue, needs the latest firmware to go with your self made kernel
[20:39] <Butcho> there got my pi powered off a usb hub so I can return my wife's kindle charger to her.
[20:39] * IT_Sean powers his raspi off a very small nuclear reactor
[20:39] <ReggieUK> he does
[20:39] <ReggieUK> I've seen it
[20:40] <ReggieUK> all glowy and stuff
[20:40] <IT_Sean> Heh, yeah, those LEDs make it look awesome.
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[20:40] <three14> Butcho!! Haha, my fiance hates that I use her kindle charger
[20:40] <Butcho> lets hope the pi doesn't run the cooling system
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[20:41] <IT_Sean> No. The cooling system is not pi-based.
[20:41] <three14> When the Pis become more readily available, someone should overvolt and submerge it in mineral oil (hardware permitting, of course)
[20:42] <reider59> I`ve mislaid my E book (not Kindle, a cheapy) PSU some place, unless I grabbed it to power something. Only 1 bar left on the reader and the USB lead doesn`t charge it.
[20:42] <reider59> I can use my Android Phone as a E Reader for now
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[20:43] <IT_Sean> three14: evne OV'd and OC'd there would be no need for active cooling.
[20:43] <IT_Sean> *even
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[20:43] <three14> I found a cheap LG charger that I thought about using. It's 700mA so it should be enough. Thouts, anyone?
[20:43] * gordonDrogon returns.
[20:43] <IT_Sean> 700mA is the _minimum_ you can get away with
[20:43] <IT_Sean> it MIGHT work
[20:43] <IT_Sean> try it and see
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> I see that the modMyPi case is being made in Devon - hurrah for the south west!
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> or the south wet as it is right now...
[20:44] <IT_Sean> But, you may want to get one that can handle MORE than 700mA, if you are going to hang ANYTHING off the USB ports
[20:44] <zleap> hi gordonDrogon
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[20:44] <reider59> Can`t recall what I used now, it might even be the missing E book PSU but I don`t think so.
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> ah, zleap :)
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> just back for Narnia, er. totnes ;)
[20:44] <three14> IT_Sean, I'm only at 900MHz right now, with no overvolting. Runs warm to hot, but not enough that would burn you. I tried the 700mA charger and it did power the pi and boot ok, but I didn't try it with accessories.
[20:45] <reider59> I put mine into one of those remote controlled sockets so I can switch it on and off. Got 3 for a fiver from Asda last year, with a remote for four adapters.
[20:45] <Butcho> I'm powering mine from two usb ports, each 500ma with a Y-plug
[20:45] <zleap> gordonDrogon, i have added a link to that computer gaming group to the lug site
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> three14, check the temp. with it at the standard 700MHz. My bet is that it's no different - well, that's my own experience anyway..
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> zleap, ok.
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> brb - spot of supper time.
[20:46] <zleap> ok
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[20:47] <reider59> mmm supper, pea n ham soup time with some fresh Danish bread
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[20:48] <three14> gordonDrogon, sadly about the only way I have of measuring the temperature would with with crappy TMP36 sensor held up against the chip. :-\
[20:48] <ReggieUK> better than nothing
[20:48] <trevorman> I've got an IR thermometer somewhere. I should dig it out.
[20:49] <hehaw> Butcho: could you still run powered usb devices off the same hub/
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[20:49] <hehaw> 4 port powered hub --
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[20:50] <hehaw> 4 port powered hub --> 2 for the pi 1 for a webcam 1 for wifi
[20:50] <Butcho> yeah I'm sure you could
[20:50] <Butcho> it's 2 amps to the hub
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[20:51] <hehaw> interesting. could be on th right track for a wifi security cam. Would not take much of a solar setup for that
[20:51] <three14> i thought about trying a webcam with the Pi, but it's an old logitech quickcam 4000, iirc. hasn't been used in years. If memory serves, the picture quality was somewhere between VHS with bad tracking, and Excitebike.
[20:51] <IT_Sean> You'd need a pretty decent sized panel, plus a battery to act as a buffer, plus the charging circuit
[20:52] <IT_Sean> solar powering a Pi is a lot more involved than a lot of people think
[20:52] <zleap> there is a webcam for the PI I think there are details on the website
[20:52] <Butcho> I need to buy a webcam
[20:52] * IT_Sean 's not out yet, but, The Foundation is working on a camera module
[20:52] <hehaw> right any solar system has 4 parts. cell + chaarger + battery + inverter for AC
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> hehaw: No, it doesn't. Many don't need AC.
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[20:55] <ReggieUK> ha
[20:55] <hehaw> i stand technically corrected
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> hehaw: It depends also where you are. If you truly want 24*7*52 operation in most of the UK, for example, you're looking at a panel of well over 150W, and a large battery
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[20:55] <zleap> what would be needed to power the PI
[20:55] <ReggieUK> I wondered how long it would be before SpeedEvil turned up to explain how many watts you'd need :)
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> The above
[20:56] <three14> maybe with a monitor
[20:56] <three14> no more than 3W for the Pi itself, right?
[20:56] <hehaw> How do you measure the wattage needed? Or can you point me in the right direction?
[20:57] <reider59> a dodgy curry and a funnel might be used to power the Pi
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> three14: No - that's 150W panel wattage - to cope with december weather
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvgis/apps4/pvest.php
[20:57] <three14> hehaw: voltage x amperage
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[20:59] <SpeedEvil> In december - at about london - you get ~1Wh/W of panel on average generation. So - 150Wh/day for a 150W panel. This is 8W over 18 hours. But, then you lop off a third for battery inefficiencies - and another half for worse than average days - and it's now looking like you may have problems with a not sunny week
[21:01] <three14> hehaw, I'd consult someone else before trusting 100% of what I say, but if the Pi needs 700mA at 5V minimum, it'd come out to 3.5W(0.7 * 5 = 3.5). Which is higher than my above estimate of 3W.
[21:01] <arthurdent> how long should i expect to wait for the comcast guy to arrive before calling him?
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[21:01] <three14> SpeedEvil, good points.
[21:01] <arthurdent> I know there is a cable-guy steretype
[21:01] <arthurdent> but should i really wait more than an hour before contacting him?
[21:02] <Syliss> is he/she late?
[21:02] <arthurdent> I mean yesterday he made it sound like he was free pretty much all day.
[21:02] <arthurdent> yeah it's been an hour
[21:02] <Syliss> id call
[21:02] <Syliss> since comcast has a policy about that now
[21:02] <Syliss> if their person is late, you will get a credit
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[21:03] <three14> comcast has a policy about it? pity they can't tell you exactly when the serviceperson will show up. last time i had to take off an entire day just to wait for him to bring a splitter.
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[21:03] <Syliss> wow thats bs
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[21:04] <Syliss> and yes three14, they have been doing commercials about giving credits if their are late now because their customer service stats are horrid
[21:04] <three14> yea, upstream power was too high or something. he added a splitter and it somehow fixed it
[21:04] <three14> i didn't pay attention because i just wanted it fixed.\
[21:05] <Syliss> i won't pay for cable ever, too expensive and cs is crap
[21:05] <IT_Sean> Weihd. Our innerent just hiccup'd. Was out ofr a couple of minutes, according to our logs.
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[21:06] <three14> i wish i still had cable. I am too far away now (by two miles), so I am back to using ADSL
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[21:06] <three14> I do all of my large downloads at work, then ferry them home on the flashdrive.
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[21:07] <arthurdent> :O
[21:08] <reider59> I`m on Virgin, they double the speed for free next month (lol, then put the prices up a little later).
[21:09] <three14> you know how long a 700MB file takes to download on 1535/384 ADSL?! 1.5hrs or so. At work I can have it in 10min or so.
[21:09] <arthurdent> yuck
[21:09] <arthurdent> oh good.he's not even answering is phone
[21:09] <three14> thats 1.5hrs at home that I can't surf or laugh derisively at youtube videos
[21:10] <arthurdent> i'm in an empty apartment with virtually no food and i can't leave :/
[21:10] <three14> at least you have your towel
[21:10] <Syliss> yeah my adsl is 6mbit
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[21:11] <Syliss> price should be going up soon, will have to see about changing it into my wifes name to save money
[21:11] <Butcho> life's too short to have bad broadband
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[21:11] <three14> and the loop's too long from C.O. to have fast ADSL. :'(
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[21:13] <three14> Syliss, that's almost as scummy as what I do with DIsh Network and DirecTV. I sign up for one to get the special offers, then after 18mo or so I cancel and jump to the other for special offers.
[21:13] <Syliss> lol
[21:13] <Syliss> its a good idea tho
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> tn
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> Why not simply throttle the download?
[21:14] <Butcho> I just call them up and say "hey give me discounts or I'll bail" and they always do.
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> Discounts don't change the laws of physics
[21:14] <three14> Butcho, no no, that's what I do with the credit card companies.
[21:14] <three14> but with interest rates
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[21:19] <mythos> hmm... without hourly ntpdate the timeshift is quite big
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[21:19] <IT_Sean> on the Pi?
[21:19] <arthurdent> what I don't undestand is why does he have to come out to do a "self install"?
[21:20] <arthurdent> I guess he has to put they key in the cable box outside or whatever
[21:20] <three14> arthurdent, what i didn't understand is why i was charged $12 for a self install
[21:20] <IT_Sean> They don't trust you to take a modem out of a box and plug it in
[21:20] <IT_Sean> To be frank, i don't blame them. I have seen customers do some stupid stupid things.
[21:20] <mythos> IT_Sean, yeah... i test it further... maybe i have a flaw in my installation
[21:20] <markllama> ... "and not blame them when you do it wrong"
[21:20] <IT_Sean> mythos: it's entirely possible. the pi doesn't have an RTC
[21:21] <markllama> how bad is an ntpd really?
[21:21] * markllama hasn't tried chrony yet...
[21:21] <trevorman> IT_Sean: it shouldn't need an RTC to stay accurate though
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[21:22] <IT_Sean> What does it base it's timing on?
[21:22] <trevorman> your x86 PC queries the RTC at boot and writes it back again at shutdown. during normal operation, the kernel is keeping track of time
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[21:22] <IT_Sean> really?
[21:22] <trevorman> yeah
[21:22] <markllama> yep.
[21:22] <three14> arthurdent: The most confusing part about Comcast was the annoying names they gave the packages. I assume it's on purpose to 1.) Sell it easier and 2.) to confuse people. I remember telling them on the phone at least 3 times that I had my own modem. A week later I had a craptastic Ubee brand modem.
[21:22] <IT_Sean> The Pi isn't an x86 pc, though
[21:22] <trevorman> look at the hwclock utility
[21:22] <IT_Sean> I know my old PPC machine would loose time if the rtc battery went flat
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[21:23] <trevorman> IT_Sean: yes but it should be the same for the rpi
[21:23] <IT_Sean> jokay.
[21:23] <markllama> so pi's and the like don't have an RTC. They have to sync on boot from an external source and then maintain sync.
[21:23] <IT_Sean> I'll take your word on that.
[21:23] <trevorman> my old nslu2 was a little ARM linux box with a real RTC
[21:23] * markllama checks, thinking his nslu2 didn't have one, but could be wrong.
[21:24] <trevorman> the clock would progressively get more and more out of sync with real time because the crystal they used wasn't the same as the one configured in the kernel so timing was slightly messed up
[21:24] <trevorman> its got a battery backed RTC
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[21:24] * markllama rooted his slug and ran ntpd after about 5 min with his slug
[21:24] <three14> How is the lack of an RTC going to affect those who will be using a Model A with no network access? Anyone have a guide on wiring up a DS1307 or similar on the PI?
[21:24] <markllama> unslung..
[21:25] <markllama> three14: so long as there's no external reference at all, it doesn't really matter.
[21:25] <trevorman> I used to be one of the main nslu2 linux developers
[21:25] <tech2077> three14, theres a few
[21:25] <tech2077> not specific writeups
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[21:25] <tech2077> but examples for using the i2c driver
[21:25] <markllama> the time will get set to some initial value and will increase, but at an uncontrolled rate.
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[21:26] <trevorman> if your crystal is stable but slightly off still then you can use adjtime
[21:26] <arthurdent> wtf
[21:26] <arthurdent> he just called me and said there is something wrong with my credit
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[21:27] <three14> tech2077, i'll need to look into it. I considered adding an RTC since I have a tube of DS1307s around the house somewhere.
[21:27] <arthurdent> I don't even have any credit history...
[21:27] <reider59> Oh dear
[21:28] <tech2077> time to use my raspberrypi with my FIRST team robot
[21:28] <reider59> Forum is down for me here. Liz said it's been up/down the last 24 hours due to a DDos Attack
[21:28] <reider59> ahh it's back
[21:28] <tech2077> wonder if i can get on the rpi blog since if this goes it basically sums up everything the pi is for (STEM education and involvement)
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[21:29] <syntax_erorr> people have nothing better to do than ddos a hardware forum
[21:29] <tech2077> who ddos's a hardware forum
[21:29] <dirty_d> you could add a rtc pretty easily
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[21:29] <three14> some Anonymous members may be allergic to raspberries, you know.
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[21:29] <tech2077> heh
[21:29] <dirty_d> and just sync it with the system time every second or so
[21:30] <tech2077> dirty_d, not really a need, you just need sync on boot
[21:30] <dirty_d> that way it cant drift far if the cpu is really 700.5Mhz instead of 700
[21:30] <dirty_d> tech2077, that wont hold very good time i dont think
[21:30] <dirty_d> the cpu isnt a RTC
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[21:30] <tech2077> the cpu is "good enough"
[21:31] <tech2077> what do you need the precision for
[21:31] <dirty_d> how good is good enough?
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[21:31] <dirty_d> what if you boot it and leave it running for a year
[21:31] <tech2077> ~1sec for a few days/weeks i would say
[21:31] <dirty_d> i doublt its taht accurate
[21:31] <tech2077> i guess its time for SCIENCE
[21:32] <tech2077> someone has to leave their rpi on for a month doing nothing but keeping time
[21:32] <dirty_d> even if the cpu freq is off by 1% thats 15 minutes in 1 day
[21:32] <IT_Sean> Send me a pi, and i'll do it
[21:32] <mythos> i doubt that too: 14 Jun 21:07:21 ntpdate[1302]: step time server 62.48.53.90 offset -1873.519427 sec
[21:33] <three14> how long has that been up?
[21:33] <three14> that's like 30min, no?
[21:34] <mythos> hmm.. two days with shutdowns in between
[21:34] <mythos> so, it basically says nothing ;)
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[21:35] <t3hcoolness> Hey guys, I found something.
[21:35] <t3hcoolness> #raspberrypi
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[21:35] <t3hcoolness> wait lol wrong copy paste :D
[21:35] <mythos> but for doubt i don't need evidence
[21:35] <syntax_erorr> hah
[21:35] <IT_Sean> wow
[21:35] <syntax_erorr> I was gonna say we know about it
[21:35] <t3hcoolness> This: http://www.crystalfontz.com/product/CFAF240320K-024T-TS
[21:35] <t3hcoolness> xD
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[21:35] <t3hcoolness> Would this baby work?
[21:35] <chbg> t3hcoolness: Nice find!
[21:36] <t3hcoolness> It would work??
[21:36] <tech2077> yeah
[21:36] <tech2077> with a shift register
[21:36] <dirty_d> you need something to drive that
[21:37] <t3hcoolness> What would I need?
[21:37] <t3hcoolness> Also, check out the other stuff on that site.
[21:37] <three14> tech2077, not familiar with that one, would a 74HC595 work?
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[21:37] <reider59> I used to program the screens on the USB ones for CrystalFontz. Got about 5 modules here they sent free of charge.
[21:37] <tech2077> a serial(SPI) in, 8 bit parallel out shift register
[21:37] <dirty_d> youre not going to be able to play video or anything on that right?
[21:38] <tech2077> if you get ma speed on the SPI interface and your SR is fast, maybe
[21:38] <reider59> oh and a SCAB temperature board
[21:38] <tech2077> max*
[21:38] <t3hcoolness> reider59: Free? How?
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[21:38] <t3hcoolness> Social engineering? xD
[21:39] <tech2077> i got my google+ private beta through social engineering
[21:39] <three14> a lot of electronics suppliers will send you free stuff, if you agreed to review or market it, they might sendyou some.
[21:39] <reider59> I started as a beta tester but then began programming screens so they shipped over a few modules for test and development purposes so I had no duty to pay. I worked on them at home and got the buttons working, as well as loads of other stuff. They sent me allsorts over about 3 years or more
[21:39] <tech2077> but you need some presence right?
[21:40] <tech2077> for review or marketing
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> three14, it doesn't matter how crappy it is - all you need is a relative measurement.
[21:40] <three14> if i were the supplier, i'd only give free things to well established individuals/websites.
[21:40] <reider59> you just help out in forums, if they need you they pick who they want and make you an offer
[21:40] <t3hcoolness> Neat.
[21:41] <reider59> Once CF2 was built, tested and the units shipped in big numbers it started to die down. so the freebies ended then.
[21:41] <tech2077> i have at least $100 in samples though
[21:41] <tech2077> all put to good use
[21:41] <reider59> I still have access to the beta forums though
[21:42] <three14> gordonDrogon, Yea, I suppose. Maybe I'll try gently taping the TMP36 to the broadcom and taking some readings over time. THe fiance is going to the beach with her girlfriends this weekend, so i have time.
[21:42] <three14> and if i don't have to shower.....MORE time.
[21:42] <trevorman> ew
[21:43] <tech2077> not ew, effiency
[21:43] <tech2077> :P
[21:43] <trevorman> waterproof the rpi and you can do both at the same time
[21:43] <trevorman> experiment with water cooling
[21:43] <reider59> I got t shirts, pens, memory sticks and allsorts off them.
[21:43] <trevorman> wasn't there some new magical coating thats supposed to make it okay to dunk your phone into water? it was in the news recently
[21:44] <tech2077> trevorman, or bath in mineral oil
[21:44] <mjr> hmm, you could waterproof the pi by covering it in blue-tack
[21:44] <tech2077> yeah
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> three14, the reality is that it doesn't really matter. I went through checking chip temps with a sensor and IT thermo a couple of weeks ago and all I learned is that if you put electricity through something it gets warm.
[21:44] <three14> LOL
[21:45] <t3hcoolness> How many of you buy your supplies from here? http://www.newark.com/?COM=element14_store_main
[21:45] <trevorman> gordonDrogon's law of thermodynamics
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> I have 3 Pi's that have been running at 900MHz for some time now - the oldest is nearly 8 weeks old now. Even have the SDRAM up to 500MHz on one.
[21:45] <IT_Sean> pi-horder!
[21:46] <IT_Sean> hoarder*
[21:46] <tech2077> shun the hoarder!
[21:46] <NucWin> how do you have three when i have big fat 0
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> personally I really don't think we ought to bother with overvolting just to get to 1GHz - 700MHz to 900Mhz with no overvolting - sure, tha'ts a about 20% faster, but for that extra 100MHz? Nah...
[21:46] <three14> t3hcoolness, i suppose it depends on what you want. if it's just a metric crapton of passive compnents, there are probably cheaper places.
[21:46] <mythos> my pi also runs with 900/500 for a week or may a little longer
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, I was prepared to pay over the odds to get one off eBay. you can too if you really want one.
[21:47] <trevorman> the prices are much better now
[21:47] <trevorman> or you could buy one of those stupid RS codes -.-
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> the others came by the "proper" channels - I got lucky. I placed my orders at 6pm on the 29th.
[21:47] <NucWin> i have ordered with the RS code about 2 weeks ago
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, you'll get it in a week or so.
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> hang in there.
[21:47] <three14> I placed my order Mar 02, got my Pi on Jun 05 (Element14)
[21:47] <nidO> i'm at 2 pi's so far, need 3 moar :(
[21:48] <reider59> I gave my code awy for free a few days back, not into that blagging more money malarky but good luck to anyone who does
[21:48] <NucWin> order on farnell about2 months ago with creditcard details but didnt even get conformation email just some funky code that is different than most other pre order codes
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> 3 more? what for? I'm almost considering selling No. 3.
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> it's actually turned off right now too.
[21:48] <IT_Sean> How much for?
[21:48] <tech2077> like such: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-Brand-New-/120931498561?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c28143a41
[21:48] <nidO> working on various clustering projects with my pis and, 5 seems like a good number
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, dunno - the going rate plus the cost of the SKpang board its in.... Maybe....
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm. raspberrypi.org is still under attack, I see.
[21:49] <three14> My logic, when the finace asked me why I bought two Pis, was 'why have one when i can have two at twice the price?'
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[21:50] <tech2077> lol
[21:50] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: skpang board?
[21:50] <three14> then i proceeded to bring up all the shoes she buys
[21:50] <trevorman> three14: hope you slept okay on the sofa
[21:50] <reider59> yes, it`s down again here
[21:50] <IT_Sean> lol
[21:51] <three14> trevorman, pfft, i get worse. every night i get 1/5th of the bed. right near the edge where the mattress' spraings are coupled with the edges. feels great. :'(
[21:51] <reider59> it`s on the 2nd monitor so I`ll keep a watch on it
[21:51] <trevorman> lol
[21:51] <three14> springs*
[21:52] <trevorman> the other half is probably unused as well. just likes your half :D
[21:52] <three14> she sleeps diagonally
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-clear-p-1095.html with breadboard fitted.
[21:53] <trevorman> cunning plan to occupy as much space as possible
[21:54] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: ahh. is it supposed to look like a floppy?
[21:54] <tech2077> gordonDrogon, i prefer adafruits case + their pi "plate"
[21:55] <tech2077> it fits a small breadboard on top easily, and is more compact and protective
[21:55] <three14> lol, i got the back in stock email yesterday about adafruit's pi plate. made a mad dash on the ipad in the kitchen to place an order.
[21:55] <three14> 3hrs later, gone.
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[21:56] <three14> got lucky as it's the second restock email i got
[21:56] <reider59> Site is back, but a tad slow yet
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[21:58] <nidO> maybe getting the site cdn distributed would be worthwhile
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi.jpg
[22:00] <oldtopman> Where can I find a pinout for the rpi's header?
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> nidO, it's wordpress - don't know how well that lends itself to that...
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[22:00] <gordonDrogon> oldtopman, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[22:00] <reider59> I`m looking forward to my skpang board tomorrow, in the form of a kit with maybe just the base board in that last Shot Gordon showed
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[22:01] <oldtopman> gordonDrogon: When it says GPIO, that means you can call it high or low, right?
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> Game Port Input Output (Or General Purpose IO)
[22:01] <nidO> gordonDrogon, perfectly well - Cloudflare for example have had their own wordpress plugin for ages for example that will plug a wordpress install straight into cloudflare's cdn
[22:01] <nidO> perfectly easy with pretty much any other cdn service as well
[22:01] <jecxjo> lol who calls it Game Port Input Output?
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> nidO, but do they have the money?
[22:02] <nidO> gordonDrogon: Cloudflare's basic service is free
[22:02] <nidO> upgraded is $20 a month
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> nidO, maybe they need some advice then...
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[22:02] <tech2077> anyone have luck with those raspberry pi codes
[22:03] <tech2077> i want another pi, or kinda need another for a project
[22:03] <tech2077> and don't want to wait ~3-5 months
[22:03] <jecxjo> tech2077 i agree but i think the best bet is to just order one
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> reider59, that board is part of this kit I bought: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-a-p-1070.html sounds like that's what you've ordered?
[22:03] <jecxjo> thats what I'm gonna do
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, there's no reason the codes won't work (assuming you buy of someone on ebay with a decent reputation)
[22:04] <IT_Sean> I don't think you'll find much sympathy here, most of use are still wiating for ONE pi.
[22:04] <tech2077> IT_Sean, i'm not asking for sympathy :P
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[22:05] <oldman> XBMC will not play wmv files. Does anyone know where I can get a codec from?
[22:05] <steve_rox> wonder what it can play
[22:06] <reider59> Get back to you in a minute or two Gordon, I hadn`t realised I was getting the top part. Missed that somehow. That's quite a deal really even if it is a day or so late.
[22:06] <steve_rox> im sure legal issues are holding them back
[22:06] <reider59> need to go check the order
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[22:06] <oldman> steve_rox: xbmc on desktop running opensuse plays them no problem.
[22:07] <steve_rox> oh
[22:07] <jecxjo> never heard of a wmv licensing issue, didn't think it was restircted, every distro can play them. must just need to install a package
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[22:08] <steve_rox> i rember reading they cant support all vid types with the pi , maybe in native os due to codec licence
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[22:08] <oldman> steve_rox: So you think it will never play wmv.
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[22:09] <steve_rox> i dident say never
[22:09] <Syliss> prolly
[22:09] <steve_rox> someone will code a fix but legal issues may arise
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> reider59, yea, I forgot to oder the breadboard with my first one - the red one! Make sure you get the female to male jumpers too!!!
[22:09] <steve_rox> ms are evil rember when it comes to licencein etc assumeing wmv is ms
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, there are codecs for Linux for just about everything - however they'll all be software ones and be too slow to work on the Pi.
[22:10] <oldman> steve_rox Then I will just have to wait.
[22:10] <steve_rox> im sure there will be some kinda work around
[22:10] <steve_rox> or transcode vids to another format?
[22:10] <reider59> ok will do, I`ll just wait til tomorrow and check, hope it arrives am, I need to be out of here for an exam in town. Got to leave about 12:30
[22:11] <trevorman> you'd need to dig deep into the GPU to get HW accel working for anything that isn't already supplied
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, so the "trick" will be to transcode videos into something the Pi will play - however it's likely to take more time to do th etranscode than it takes to play it, however these things can be batched up and run out of hours for example - or on another PC
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[22:11] <trevorman> if you're trying to implement a codec from scratch on the GPU then good luck
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> just make sure you video collection is all h264 ...
[22:12] <steve_rox> well its only one possible solution to reincode
[22:12] <steve_rox> others are more intensive im sure
[22:12] <trevorman> oldman: wmv encompasses many codecs. what specific one you missing anyway?
[22:12] <steve_rox> can it play mpg1/2 ?
[22:12] <trevorman> no
[22:12] <three14> fwiw, handbrake these days is practically a set it and forget it solution if you're looking to transcode everything.
[22:12] <trevorman> we don't have the license for MPEG2
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> it's not something I car about myself for now though - I only have an old 36" tube TV ...
[22:12] <steve_rox> most the media on my server is mpg :-P
[22:13] <oldman> Thanks all. Yes i an sure you are right. I will consider re-encoding. Thanks again.
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[22:13] <oldman> trevorman:I am not sure
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[22:13] <Syliss> yeah pretty much everything needs to be mpeg 4
[22:14] <steve_rox> how annoying
[22:14] <steve_rox> i shall hope a solution will be found in time
[22:14] <trevorman> *shrug* would have cost more money to get all the other supported codecs when most people won't need it
[22:14] <three14> has anyone tried h264 in a matroska container? (in openelec/xbmc)? thoughts?
[22:14] <trevorman> it would be nice to have but I do understand why we don't have it
[22:14] <Syliss> yep
[22:14] <Syliss> mkv should work
[22:14] <Syliss> actually it does, i tried it
[22:15] <rigel> does it work WELL?
[22:15] <nacimmep> ew 7 days till my pi ships
[22:15] <Syliss> no subs showed up tho
[22:15] <oldman> Syliss:mkv work fine.
[22:15] <Syliss> mkv worked great
[22:15] <rigel> how do we hack mpeg2 into it
[22:15] <nacimmep> unless they move the date back.... AGAIN
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[22:15] <steve_rox> i havent been given a date
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[22:15] <jecxjo> rigel legally we dont
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[22:15] <rigel> i didnt say legally
[22:16] <nacimmep> want a code? it might work
[22:16] <jecxjo> reverse engineer the GPU, the write code for it? easy as pie
[22:16] <trevorman> rigel: unless you're a reverse engineering god and know everything about mpeg2 then there isn't anything you can do at the moment
[22:16] <nacimmep> i didnt use it cause i already backordered
[22:16] <steve_rox> im sure illigally is possible but not without the mpg overlords comeing after you
[22:16] <trevorman> the only other device I know of that uses the BCM2835 is the Roku 2 boxes but they don't support MPEG2 either
[22:16] <rigel> steve_rox: lul
[22:16] <steve_rox> ;-)
[22:16] <trevorman> so you can't extract the codec from there
[22:16] <reider59> My code was 9/10 days old and still worked when I gave it to someone
[22:16] <jecxjo> nope
[22:16] <rigel> so i guess i'll have to wait until bunnie releases a patch
[22:17] <zgreg> the raspberrypi.org is still doing pretty badly
[22:17] <ReggieUK> indeed it is
[22:17] <ReggieUK> been up and down since last night
[22:17] <jecxjo> someone with a botnet pissed their pi hasnt arrived?
[22:17] <nacimmep> this code is almost a month old
[22:17] <three14> so is this DDoS attack the "drama" that was mentioned on twitter earlier?
[22:18] <steve_rox> maybe a rival board wants them gone
[22:18] <jecxjo> Its the Via board
[22:18] <ratherDashing> steve_rox: if you own an actual company you don't DDoS your competition
[22:18] <nidO> maybe this is how via is stress-testing their first batch
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[22:18] <jecxjo> ratherDashing....you hire someone to do it for you
[22:18] <steve_rox> you would on science and industry mod for halflife 1
[22:19] <reider59> PMDG get a DDos Attck nearly every plane that comes out. It`s awful when you`re waiting to get one for FSX
[22:19] <nidO> ratherDashing: you dont? plenty of large businesses have been caught doing exactly that
[22:19] <ratherDashing> nidO: like who
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[22:20] <three14> oooh, see if Gabe Newell can get us an ARM port of the GoldSrc engine for HL1. Since we're not getting HL3 any time soon.
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[22:22] <jecxjo> the one up side to the site being down, i'm actually getting work done
[22:22] <nacimmep> damn it worked
[22:23] <nacimmep> i ordered it
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[22:23] <nacimmep> heh
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[22:25] <nacimmep> yeah i wish i could play half life on anything besides windows
[22:25] <nacimmep> original is still the best in my mind
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[22:26] <nacimmep> like to see average timetables for play through's ill bet anything the first is the longest
[22:26] <haltdef> ps2
[22:27] <haltdef> you're welcome
[22:27] <nacimmep> no glitching speedruns
[22:27] <nacimmep> maybe it was just me since it was so monumental i explored every corner at the time
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[22:28] <frankivo> raspbian install was easy
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[22:29] <frankivo> so i'm online: )
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[22:31] <ratherDashing> flashing an image to a sd card is pretty easy
[22:31] <nacimmep> heh
[22:31] <frankivo> yea
[22:32] <frankivo> had to do something while compiling openelec :P
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[22:35] <dirty_d> wow really?
[22:35] <ntwrk_keith> ratherDashing: easy when it works :)
[22:35] <dirty_d> ive been trying to build the x86 PKGBUILD for gcc this whole time
[22:35] <dirty_d> there is an archlinux-arm specific one
[22:37] <dirty_d> fml
[22:38] <jecxjo> you're trying to build a cross compiler or a native one?
[22:38] <dirty_d> a native one
[22:38] <nacimmep> have fun with that
[22:38] <dirty_d> on a qemu image
[22:38] <jecxjo> for arm or x86?
[22:38] <dirty_d> for arm
[22:38] <nacimmep> oh well that might be a bit faster
[22:39] <jecxjo> you'll get better response if you build a cross compiter
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[22:39] <dirty_d> i already did
[22:39] <dirty_d> its too much of a pain to use though
[22:39] <dirty_d> because so many packages try to run the programs the compile
[22:39] <dirty_d> which will fail
[22:39] <jecxjo> you should look into Scratchbox2
[22:39] <dirty_d> yea i did a little
[22:40] <jecxjo> thats what i use daily, much much faster than trying to run everything in ane emulator
[22:40] <dirty_d> is it hard to setup?
[22:40] <jecxjo> nope
[22:40] <jecxjo> matter-o-fact...one sec
[22:40] <dirty_d> i might have been looking at scratchbox not scratchbox2
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[22:41] <jecxjo> if you want to do EVERYTHING by hand, follow this whole tutorial, otherwise just install the parts you dont want to build: http://biffengineering.com/wiki/index.php?title=HowToSetupCrossCompileEnvironment
[22:41] <aaa801> Guys. Anyone who does dev work on the pi might like this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8418
[22:41] <nacimmep> never heard of it im familiar with openembedded
[22:42] <dirty_d> jecxjo, cool, ill try that later
[22:43] <jecxjo> dirty_d sounds good and again, dont have to build everything if you don't want, but i like knowing what the config is for everything
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[22:44] <dirty_d> archlinux has scratchbox2 in aur, ill give that a shot
[22:44] <jecxjo> I wish real jails would come to linux like they have in FreeBSD
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[22:44] <Gadgetoid> playing a slideshow of Starcraft on an ARM Linux handheld in qemu... mmmm
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[22:48] <Gadgetoid> best thing about emulating starcraft is my brain fills in the music automatically
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[22:48] <frankivo> hmm
[22:48] <frankivo> my keyboard causes kernel pacnis
[22:48] <frankivo> panics even
[22:49] <jecxjo> frankivo new install?
[22:49] <jecxjo> or an update?
[22:49] <frankivo> i was updating raspbian
[22:49] <frankivo> panic when inserting keyboard
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[22:50] <NucWin> note to self.... must save this chan in config
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> writing a bash script to manipulate files. gosh this is fun. not a fan of bash, however...
[23:01] <steve_rox> yeah i find myself more familure with windows .bat files heh
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[23:01] <frankivo> bash is powerfull
[23:02] <frankivo> but not that much fun indeed :/
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[23:03] <steve_rox> usually where scripts are so annoying to write i used to make a prog in vb6 which could auto write em
[23:03] <steve_rox> :-P
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[23:04] <trevorman> eh. bash scripts are only good for simple things. once it gets more complex then you should switch to a proper scripting language like perl or python
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[23:04] <frankivo> I like to use PHP :P
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[23:05] <trevorman> PHP is like a swiss army knife but it has 548595839539 attachments and has a high chance of you stabbing yourself with it :P
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[23:07] <steve_rox> i miss vb6 , i know everyone hates it but still it could create progs so fast
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[23:10] <mikey_w> There is supposed to be a basic for the pi.
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[23:12] <frankivo> trevorman: quite powerfull for cli scripts :)
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[23:18] <nacimmep> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1408 "but there???s already plenty you can already it do with it if you???re interesting in playing with 3D models on your Raspberry Pi."
[23:18] <nacimmep> awesome grammar
[23:19] <nacimmep> someone had too much coffee or not enough
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[23:21] <gordonDrogon> bash is fairly universal. for my own stuff I write small scripts in php or tsch, but I'm writing something where I can guarantee bash, and not much else.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> mikey_w, I wrote a BASIC - not for the Pi, but it rusn well on the Pi ...
[23:21] <frankivo> gordonDrogon: you should go with sh then :)
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[23:22] <mikey_w> Now what we really need is a good forth implementation.
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> gfprth is there.
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> *gforth
[23:23] <mikey_w> I know.
[23:23] <reider59> you mean like "go forth and multiply" ;-)
[23:23] <mikey_w> lol
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> apt-cache search forth
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> actually, if you want forth, then: https://sites.google.com/site/libby8dev/fignition
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[23:25] <dirty_d> hmm scratchbox isnt working right
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[23:30] <mikey_w> Fignition is uber retro.
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> mikey_w, I met the chap behine it last month. great bloke, dedicated.
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> I must find time to package my BASIC properly.
[23:31] * gordonDrogon sighs.
[23:32] <Yanluk> Hi everyone, quick queastion. Any one managed to get DisplayLink drivers to work on RPi?
[23:32] <trevorman> Yanluk: not heard of anybody trying. I'd expect it to work though
[23:33] <mikey_w> I was a member of the "Silicon Valley Forth Interest Group".
[23:33] <jecxjo> oh that reminds me, anyone know of those 1.5" Digital Keychains you can pick up at a box store in the US?
[23:33] <trevorman> jecxjo: yeah
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> I did spent time porting Suns Forth Open Boot ROM once upon a time. Still didn't like Forth after that.
[23:34] <trevorman> people hack them into teeny tiny displays but you need to get the right type of keychain
[23:34] <Yanluk> trevorman: hmm i have been trying to get them to work for last two days (though i havent used linux in 10 years, and even back than it was just a simple stuff), but without luck, I'm getting stuck trying to compile drivers :(
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> digital keychains? never heard of them!
[23:34] <Yanluk> trevorman: yeah, I've seen couple few shots of rpi running with keyrings
[23:34] <jecxjo> trevorman yes I know, and I can order one online but if one was available at Staples or somewhere
[23:34] <Yanluk> gordonDrogon: keyring with 1,5" lcd
[23:35] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: its a tiny picture frame
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sweex-MM004V5-Digital-Photo-Chain/dp/B0013K8FC6
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> those sort of thing?
[23:35] <Leestons> Me neither ordonDragon
[23:35] <trevorman> usually runs on some weird never heard of this brand 8051 chip with integrated LCD controller and USB interface
[23:35] <jecxjo> yep
[23:35] <mythos> what does /opt/vc/sbin/vcfiled?
[23:35] <Yanluk> gordonDrogon: something like that, yes
[23:35] <trevorman> mythos: GPU interface
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> do they not just look like a USB disk drive then?
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> maybe that would be too sensible...
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> I've got one of those digital name badges - pretty silly and buggy...
[23:36] <mythos> trevorman, hmm... ok... so i don't need it, thanks ;)
[23:36] <jecxjo> the ones that do are possibly hackable, the others arent
[23:36] <mikey_w> Yes a USB drive with malware.
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[23:37] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: well some of them do look a USB drive but its not any USB drive you've ever used before
[23:37] <jecxjo> well its either that or I hook up my larger LCD that has a SPI interface
[23:37] <trevorman> think a USB drive full of weird corrupted crap because whoever implemented it couldn't be bothered to send valid data. the loader app just writes into specific offsets on the drive and hopes for the best.
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[23:38] <mythos> a video core file server daemon... never heard anything like that. what does it anyways? =)
[23:39] <plugwash> It allows the firmware on the videocore to access the linux filesystem
[23:39] <plugwash> AIUI the intent is to allow modules to be loaded into the firmware on the videocore but no such modules yet exist
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[23:40] <mythos> hmm.. ok. i have to think a little about. thanks plugwash =)
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[23:41] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: http://picframe.spritesserver.nl/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[23:42] <trevorman> thats the one I was thinking of it. its a 6502 not a 8051
[23:42] <trevorman> which makes it even more retro tbh since 8051 is in everything
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[23:44] <SirFunk> Any recommendations on usb wifi adapter that doesn't need extra power (and has good drivers)?
[23:45] <trevorman> extra power?
[23:45] <trevorman> you want to run it off the USB ports on the RPi directly?
[23:45] <SirFunk> trevorman: yeah
[23:46] <reider59> Edimax 7800UN
[23:46] <reider59> cheap n cheerful
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[23:47] <SirFunk> reider59: native driver or some kinda ndis junk?
[23:47] <reider59> Someone made a script to insyall it on Debian
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[23:47] <reider59> *install
[23:47] <reider59> hang on
[23:48] <SirFunk> hmm
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[23:48] <SirFunk> i can't seem to find where to buy one
[23:48] <reider59> It's on sale all over the place
[23:48] <SirFunk> google gets 4 hits, none of which are stores
[23:49] <reider59> Install is here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256
[23:49] <reider59> http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=edimax+wifi&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=868&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=5334924684771426699&sa=X&ei=BVzaT9zFDuP80QWBxPCnAg&ved=0CHcQ8wIwAA
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[23:50] <BusError> OT: https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/32400
[23:50] <reider59> Those are for the UK
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[23:51] <trevorman> idk there are any that will run off the RPi USB ports directly
[23:51] <trevorman> it can't use more than 100mA which isn't much for a wifi adapter
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[23:51] <reider59> I have one of those and it runs direct off the RPi USB Port
[23:52] <reider59> With my keyboard/mouse in the other port
[23:52] <SirFunk> reider59: is yours the 7811? i see those i just don't see 7800
[23:52] <reider59> ahh might be 7811 hang on
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[23:54] <reider59> My fault, its the 7811 because that`s listed and I checked the list of adapters to make sure the script would work first
[23:54] <SirFunk> ah
[23:55] <reider59> Might have thought the 7800 range
[23:55] <SirFunk> yeah $10. Can't go wrong
[23:55] <reider59> seems quite fast too
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[23:56] <reider59> I wanted one that sits in the port and small so I can put the RPi, Arduino and a Robot Arm on a motorised trolley, bang on a cam and operate it via VNC or similar by WiFi. Maybe a battery pack on there.
[23:57] <reider59> Then use it to go round and pick my washing up, saves getting married again ;-)
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[23:58] * SpeedEvil is pondering a quadcopter with an arm on it.
[23:59] <SpeedEvil> Hedgetrimming
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[23:59] <reider59> lol I like that, can visualise it
[23:59] <three14> add a cheap 2.4GHz wireless cam and you can plunk yourself down on the couch inside and perform yardwork
[23:59] <gwalters> anyone running f17arm-latest-arm-rpi-xfce-mmcblk0.img.xz on their pi?

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