#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-15

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <reider59> Theirs that nasty neighboor from over the road, oops thats his head gone
[0:00] <reider59> Theres
[0:00] <gwalters> I've got it booting but it stops about 8 seconds in. Doesn't look like init is starting
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[0:01] <reider59> I tried 2 versions of F17 but with the meds causing short term memory loss I couldn`t tell you what they were. Head is a brick wall sometimes
[0:01] <gwalters> dang :P
[0:02] <SpeedEvil> three14: I really want one that can lift and manipulate a standard rooftile
[0:02] <SpeedEvil> three14: So ~5Kg
[0:02] <reider59> I found both and other versions of Fedora a trifle problematic but normally get them going. not something I`d use for everyday though
[0:02] <SpeedEvil> three14: unfortunately, this gets a little expensive
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[0:03] <SpeedEvil> three14: I find the concept of a bot that can remove someones roof for the lulz amusing.
[0:03] <reider59> lol reroof the house by RasPi
[0:04] <three14> If they have shingled roofs, you could add a strong enough manipulator arm, clamp on to one end of the shingle strip, then full throttle.
[0:04] <reider59> did you know you had 6 slates missing? Look up there, I can fix that real quick for a price lol
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[0:05] <reider59> oops about 6 (don`t make it too obvious and keep em well hidden)
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[0:05] <reider59> Thatched roof types may work but they only get replaced about every 25 years
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[0:06] <reider59> you have some thatch missing, no not on your head
[0:06] <three14> for a thatched roof, could you not just equip the bot with a Bic lighter?
[0:06] <reider59> I`d say they`re protected against that
[0:07] <reider59> might be treated
[0:07] <three14> a little on-board accelerant would be required
[0:07] <three14> not many thatched roofs here in the US where I live.
[0:08] <three14> as an American I tend to stereotype everything and compare it to some fictional movie
[0:08] <reider59> I`m not awful keen on them
[0:08] <three14> you say thatched roof, i see bag end in the shire
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[0:09] <markbook> one long stair case just going up, another one longer coming down?
[0:09] <three14> markbook, no that's how i think of Nepal
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[0:12] <reider59> I think I`d also be a little wary of sitting in the Airport lounge playing with the RPi uncovered and a few wires and/or breadboard too.
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[0:13] <reider59> It may draw a crowd for the wrong reasons lol
[0:13] <reider59> or not
[0:13] <reider59> but but but I`m just checking the forums
[0:14] <three14> Especially in the US
[0:14] <three14> Here's a nice article: http://blog.makezine.com/2012/04/17/how-to-fly-with-homemade-electronics/
[0:14] <reider59> why did you just shoot me?
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[0:21] * gordonDrogon yawns. bed time I think.
[0:21] <reider59> Only just found the paperwork for the Edimax and this is a copy/paste from it......1 of Edimax EW-7811UN Wireless 802.11b/g/n 150Mbps Nano USB Adaptor
[0:21] <gordonDrogon> little script is written to hack away at the arduino config files.
[0:21] <gordonDrogon> seems to even work :)
[0:21] <reider59> just for clarification
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> so now mostly automated install of new avrdude, arduino ide and off you go with a directly connected ATmega.
[0:22] <three14> i haven't read up on it recently, but has anyone had any luck with the Arduino IDE and the Arduino Uno R2?
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[0:26] <gordonDrogon> three14, is it not recognising the usb serial port?
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[0:27] <gordonDrogon> I've spent the last day working out some of the gorey details of the arduino IDE...
[0:27] <three14> I personally haven't tried yet as I've had some other stuff to tinker with first. But I was under the impression that the R3 worked while the R2 and older did not. I could be very wrong though, so any clarification would be appreciated.
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> three14, if it's an older IDE and a newer Uno, the Uno comes up as /dev/ttyACM0 and the older IDEs don't know to look for that device.
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> three14, the simple fix is to symlink /dev/ttyUSB9 to /dev/ttyACM0 ...
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[0:29] <gordonDrogon> I've been hacking a new programmer type into avrdude, so it can now use the Pi directly as a programmer to an ATmega. 4 jumper wires and off you go!
[0:29] <three14> give me a few and i'll check. will need to free one of the arduinos from their rat's nest of wires first.
[0:29] <three14> oh, that's pretty awesome
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[0:32] <gordonDrogon> I've more or less stopped serial programming them, but it's handy when e.g. I have a shield on which blocks the ISP port - like this XRF shield I'm using.
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> there might also be a baud rate issue with the uno. I've a funny feeling they default to 115200.
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> which meands you'll need to edit a new entry into boards.txt.
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[0:34] <three14> damnit, i just rolled my chair over's the Pi's keyboard's usb plug, now to find an extension to i can bend it back
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[0:34] <gordonDrogon> heh..
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> I'm off to zed now. until tomorow ...
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[0:36] <three14> One of these days, this unprotected capacitor is gonna get torn off the pi by accident.
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[0:37] <tuxx> hey guys
[0:38] <tuxx> i just received my rp yesterday
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[0:38] <mikey_w> congrats
[0:38] <reider59> nice one tuxx, welcome to the family
[0:38] <tuxx> i'm just wondering on the debian image.. has anyone managed to play music?
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[0:38] <tuxx> reider59: thanks bro :)
[0:38] <superlime> wooo pi
[0:38] <superlime> got mine a few days ago. :)
[0:38] <mikey_w> WhooPI
[0:39] <tuxx> is analoge sound working for you guys?
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[0:39] <reider59> yes, some built in program and built in music. you have to add a modprobe command first
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[0:39] <mikey_w> To enable the output.
[0:39] <superlime> tuxx: I've been fooling around with the xbmc distros (raspbmc & openelec)
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[0:39] <superlime> which the sound *does* work in, out of the box. :)
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[0:40] <reider59> only tried it on HDMI, you have to tell it to use the ano port
[0:40] <tuxx> superlime: i see
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[0:40] <three14> superlime, i believe OpenELEC/XBMC accesses OpenMax directly, so no driver, per se.
[0:40] <superlime> oh actually, that's a good point
[0:40] <tuxx> superlime: so what about movies .. can it playback most formats ? or only like h.264?
[0:40] <superlime> I was using the hdmi audio
[0:40] <superlime> tuxx: that's what I'm fooling with *right now*
[0:41] <superlime> :D
[0:41] <superlime> throwing a few problematic formats at it
[0:41] <tuxx> superlime: tried mkv/xvid etc?
[0:41] <three14> the ALSA driver sounds like you're listening to music inside of a tin can wrapped in plastic grocery bags.
[0:41] <superlime> (hi10p h264, etc)
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[0:41] <superlime> I'm about to switch back to raspbmc
[0:41] <reider59> A new Debian image has the sound working from default, even in scratch I believe. but it's only at the alpha stage just yet, looks dead good though and a lot faster than the one we have
[0:41] <tuxx> three14: they use PPLs for sound.. the analoge sound is gunna be pretty shitty
[0:41] <superlime> I was having more success on it than openelec
[0:42] <three14> tuxx, it certainly is, but at least it works
[0:42] <superlime> (plus, I'd rather have a debian-ish base than whatever openelec seems to be doing)
[0:42] <tuxx> three14: "works"
[0:42] <three14> 'just works'
[0:43] <superlime> I threw the "killa sampla" at both
[0:43] <superlime> openelec flat out locks up
[0:43] <three14> the first thing I tried was mplayer playing an mp3 of 'cats on mars'
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[0:43] <superlime> raspbmc reports that it's playing, but only black screen. :(
[0:43] <superlime> at least it doesn't die, though
[0:43] <reider59> It's here if anyone wants to read about it and/or check it out......http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8071&f=50
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[0:44] <reider59> Debian Wheezy, we had Squeeze, next one is Lemon Squeezy Wheezy ;-)
[0:45] <three14> Fo' Sheezy
[0:45] <tuxx> it doesnt seem to work with my display since it needs dual channel dvi
[0:45] <superlime> meh
[0:45] <superlime> hopping back to raspbmc
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[0:51] <three14> It's amazing how much memory and processing power goes into simply browsing the web nowadays
[0:52] <three14> even the mobiel versions bring the pi to it's knees at times.
[0:52] <tuxx> d
[0:52] <three14> mobile*
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[0:53] <mythos> three14, i have one of those pandaboards. it's an arm-dualcore with 1.2 ghz each. and even those are too slow for browsing-stuff
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[0:53] <three14> the Pi's the first ARM based deviced i've tinkered with since thew Nintendo DS Lite.
[0:54] <three14> I don't count handsets and tablets.
[0:54] <three14> kind of happy to be using one again.
[0:55] <mythos> yeah, i love the device too ;)
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[0:56] <three14> I wish i could contribute more to the Pi
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[0:57] <mythos> i think, buying one is a good start
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[0:58] <three14> yea i suppose. i would have even paid double if one was donated to a school.
[0:59] <three14> i'm not a very good programmer, and even if i did write something with the pi in mind, it's probably already been done.
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[0:59] <mythos> afaik it is not really ready for school as is. but soon the worst flaws are fixed ;)
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[0:59] <three14> it was different with DS homebrew, but by the time i got around to writing anything, the scene was dying.
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[1:00] <reider59> Its the taking part that matters. No matter if it's been done before or not you have that sense of achievement that you did it for yourself
[1:01] <three14> so the one thing i did create never saw the light of day. not to mention you'd need a flashcart to run the app, so the number of people that could use it was limited to a niche group
[1:01] <blkhawk> dunnow sometime io want just finish my project
[1:01] <markbook> keep writing stuff. Sooner or later something will stick.
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[1:01] <reider59> I could program a calculator in VB and many many have been done before. But if I personally never did one before then I achieved something for myself.
[1:01] <three14> ffs, i wrote a periodic table of elements app for ds
[1:01] <three14> not exactly a hot item
[1:02] <dirty_d> is anyone using scratchbox2?
[1:02] <markbook> you don't have to invent facebook to be useful.
[1:02] <reider59> Believe it or not I programmed a teleporter
[1:02] <hermanhermitage> invent?
[1:02] <superlime> you could go the alternate direction and just write obnoxiously *not* productive stuff
[1:02] <hermanhermitage> .plan + email + usenet
[1:02] <three14> superlime -- not thats interesting
[1:02] <superlime> I made a thing that controls christmas lights from .net gadgeteer
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[1:02] <three14> now*
[1:02] <superlime> which doesn't sound that bad
[1:02] <markbook> now you're just trolling. That's MY job!
[1:03] <hermanhermitage> hah
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[1:03] <superlime> but you can render WPF to the lights, and you can debug the framebuffer over Azure.
[1:03] <superlime> :D:D:D
[1:04] <three14> i'd have to have someone else handle art and graphics for a project. while i might be proficient in photoshop, i'm not a designer.
[1:04] <hermanhermitage> expensive tool for a non designer? :P
[1:05] <markbook> I've been writing a hexmap game service since I was in college. Before there was a web. Some day it might accept bits
[1:05] <three14> plus there wasn't a whole lot you could do with a resolution of 256x192
[1:05] <markbook> but I keep working on it.
[1:05] <three14> and the memory contraints of the DS Lite
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[1:05] <reider59> It`s for a virtual site and they made their own version of HTML for the site. Instead of www they have VWW and this leads to an area within that would, with the rest of the address. So I programmed about 20 odd buttons to accept them, somewhere to type/paste them in, record addresses to a database. Allow the user to add them to a button, any button, rename the button, that sort of thing and a simple "Go there" button. No goo
[1:06] <reider59> *world
[1:06] <reider59> lt good planning it, programming it and testing it out
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[1:10] <mythos> hm... apt-file on raspbian does not work
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[1:15] <tuxx> mythos: apt-file?
[1:15] <tuxx> whats that supposed to be
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[1:15] <mythos> tuxx, if you want to know in which package a file belongs
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[1:16] <DaQatz> Wow firefox uses a lot of ram when linking.
[1:16] <DaQatz> All the ram, and 800 megs swap.
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[1:16] <tuxx> mythos: ah opposite of dkpg -l then
[1:17] <mythos> tuxx, yeah. the package has not to be installed
[1:17] <tuxx> mythos: nice
[1:17] <mythos> if it works ;)
[1:17] <tuxx> ye
[1:17] <mythos> ok, i see... i can fix it
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[1:23] <three14> clear
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[1:23] <three14> hmm,
[1:24] <three14> oh, nm, it's mirc
[1:24] <three14> ahh, a clear buffer :-]
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[1:32] <SStrife> morning
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[1:39] <three14> hmm, the arduino ide says i need to be in the dialout group, but i most certainly added my user with usermod -a -G dialout username, something i am missing?
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[1:40] <three14> if my username is in the dialout group but not tty, would it still warn me about not being in the dialout group?
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[1:41] <SStrife> did you log off and log back on after you added yourself to the group?
[1:41] <SStrife> i had to do that when I added myself to video for fb0 access
[1:43] <Mike632T> you don't pick up any changed to group member ship until you login again
[1:43] <three14> you know, it might just be that. i killed X but didn't log out
[1:43] <Mike632T> s/changed/changes/
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[1:45] <Mike632T> time for bed - good night all
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[1:46] <three14> ah, thank you for reminding me to log out, sirs. works fine with an Uno R2
[1:47] <SStrife> :)
[1:47] <SStrife> woo, got my Pi a serial port
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[1:48] <markbook> SStrive: Yay!
[1:48] <three14> you should write up a nice how-to
[1:48] <markbook> how did you do it? I did the pogoplug Nokia CR-42 thing with a 2x5 IDC connector.
[1:48] <markbook> Yeah, I need to take pics and write it up.
[1:48] <three14> i'm sure a ton of people would thank you, until it's mentioned on Hackaday, then the trolls will come out of the woodwork and put down everything you've done.
[1:48] <mythos> uhoh, i was just thinking if it is possible
[1:49] <SStrife> i got a MAX3232 and chucked it on a perfboard with some caps, just followed the datasheet
[1:49] <markbook> cool. I have a couple of MAX3232 RJ-45's up in my office.
[1:49] <markbook> though the USB's may prove more useful
[1:50] <markbook> I'm thinking for a classroom to hook all of them to a big stack of hubs and feed them to another "terminal server" pi
[1:50] <trevorman> urgh just don't put it on instructables. really dislike how that site works
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[1:50] <trevorman> yeah lets annoying you until you get fed up and pay
[1:50] <trevorman> -ing
[1:50] <markbook> gack no. We have a pi wiki, right?
[1:50] <SStrife> yeah
[1:50] <SStrife> on eLinux.org
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[1:51] <SStrife> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Hub
[1:51] <trevorman> hackaday comments are basically "could have done that with an arduino" or "fail. you used an arduino for that?"
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[1:51] <trevorman> posts themselves are generally good. just keep away from the comments :P
[1:52] <three14> they are a distant cousin to youtube comments.
[1:52] <trevorman> yeah
[1:52] <SStrife> i'm going to use my Pi to get an old 286 portable machine online
[1:52] <trevorman> SLIP?
[1:52] <three14> can't you just use an arduino ethernet for that? ;-P
[1:52] <SStrife> yeah, or PPP, haven't quite decided yet
[1:52] <three14> :-D
[1:52] <trevorman> lol
[1:52] <SStrife> three14: I could, but it would cost more
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[1:53] <SStrife> ;)
[1:53] <SStrife> the MAX3232 chip was free, (good ol Maxim)
[1:53] <trevorman> if you're really feeling the need for speed then you should try and get PLIP working again
[1:53] <three14> SStrife, I was joking. As if it were a hackaday comment
[1:53] <SStrife> i know, hence ;)
[1:54] <SStrife> trevorman: a parallel port interface would be good, it was be heaps faster than what i'll end up with this way
[1:54] <SStrife> the portable only has a 16450 UART
[1:54] <SStrife> so craps out at about 19.2kbps
[1:54] <trevorman> lol
[1:54] <trevorman> guess its not socketed so no upgrading?
[1:54] <SStrife> nah
[1:55] <SStrife> i could add a faster ISA cart
[1:55] <SStrife> card*
[1:55] <SStrife> but the slots are occupied already, by a SCSI card and a sound card
[1:56] <trevorman> soundblaster?
[1:56] <SStrife> Sound Blaster 1.5
[1:56] <trevorman> with those useless CMS chips
[1:56] <SStrife> with the elusive CMS upgrade kit
[1:56] <SStrife> yep
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[1:58] <three14> Ugh, every microwave I have owned recently has a popcorn setting, and no matter what the setting, it either underpops or burns the popcorn
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[1:59] <trevorman> thats normal for popcorn
[1:59] <trevorman> get an airpopper if you want nice popcorn
[1:59] <SStrife> a microwave that can consistently do good popcorn, will be an invention that will change the world for the better
[1:59] <three14> it's 2012, i would think by now you could install a mic that listens to the frequency of pops, then ends the cook cycle when the pops have a 2-3sec delay between them
[2:00] <SStrife> genius
[2:00] <SStrife> patent it
[2:00] <SStrife> then don't build or sell it, but sue the pants of someone else that comes up with the same idea
[2:00] <ThantiK> Any of you have tint2 working on debian/fedora?
[2:00] <three14> "You could use an Arduino for that." -hackadaycomment
[2:00] <SStrife> haha
[2:01] <three14> SStrife, as yes, the Apple Gambit
[2:01] <three14> ah*
[2:01] <trevorman> another idea would be the various manufacturers actually putting a barcode or whatever on the box that tells the microwave what to do. scan box. put item into the microwave. push go.
[2:01] <SStrife> AppleOracleGoogleSunSurprise more like
[2:01] <trevorman> none of this oh well it wants 2 minutes at 800W but my microwave is 850W so hmmm....
[2:01] <SStrife> haha
[2:02] <three14> i would pay 35$ more for a microwave that would just not emulate the fukushima reactor when cooking my popcorn.
[2:02] <trevorman> three14: the engineer that designed it may just really love burnt popcorn
[2:02] <trevorman> I know people are nuts enough to buy the underpopped popcorn
[2:03] <three14> you know, they sell half-popped popcorn now
[2:03] <three14> not kidding
[2:03] <trevorman> yeah
[2:03] <trevorman> thats why I said they're nuts enough to buy that
[2:03] <three14> what are people's teeth made of?
[2:03] <three14> adamantium?
[2:03] <trevorman> probably still not strong enough
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[2:04] <trevorman> those little hard corn kernels are like rocks imo
[2:04] <three14> indeed
[2:07] <three14> the microwave really is one of the most commonly used appliances that haven't had any major overhauls since they came out
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[2:07] <SStrife> they've gone from step-up transformers to solid-state inverters
[2:07] <three14> the only difference i can see between one of my old ones and a newer one is a smaller mesh on the front window
[2:07] <trevorman> you could say the same for most kitchen appliances though
[2:08] <SStrife> MOTs are lots of fun, but super dangerous
[2:08] <trevorman> a kettle hasn't changed much
[2:08] <three14> i assume they went from the standard 1/10th wavelength to something like 1/16th
[2:08] <SStrife> but now it's all SCR's and IC's
[2:08] <SStrife> pfft
[2:08] <three14> the display went out on the one i bought just two years ago, fixed it with a mechanical pencil
[2:09] <SStrife> macguyver that shiz :)
[2:09] <three14> appliances are seriously created just for the landfill, because that's exactly where it would have went for most people.
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[2:10] <SStrife> i like when appliances go to landfill, because then I can scaven----er---salvage them
[2:10] <SStrife> either pull them apart and have some fun, or repair it and donate to charity
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[2:12] <three14> once i tried to illegally dispose of an air conditioner at the local landfill. wrapped it up in a huge throw-rug and pitched it out of the truck. this guy comes over in this massive crusher, and, as if he were a neuro-surgeon, meticulously unwrapped the AC unit and got on the intercom and chewed me out.
[2:12] <three14> needless to say i brought it back home
[2:13] <markbook> you must have been the first person ever to try that.
[2:13] <markbook> throwing out an AC unit shaped throw rug
[2:13] <three14> lol, at the time i thought i was clever. apparently not. :-\
[2:13] <three14> humbled at the landfill
[2:13] <SStrife> hahaha
[2:14] <trevorman> he unwrapped it with the crusher??
[2:14] <three14> it had a bucket on the end of an arm, he used that to unwrap it
[2:15] <trevorman> ah
[2:16] <three14> had it been me at the controls, i would have smashed it to bit and probably slung it half a mile by accident. this man was truly a master of this machine.
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[2:17] <SStrife> on Mythbusters they managed to thread a needle with an excavator
[2:17] <three14> i suppose it's a perk of living in west virginia
[2:17] <IT_Sean> SHHH! I Haven't seen that one yet!
[2:17] <SStrife> so, those machines are capable of pretty fine movements
[2:17] <SStrife> oops, sorry! :P
[2:17] <IT_Sean> :p
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[2:19] <three14> well, i'll never again attempt to illegally dispose of an AC unit.
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[2:20] <three14> it was a walk of shame to stumble back out there and pick up the unit while the man gave me the evil eye as he held the manipulator/bucket over me.
[2:21] <trevorman> pick it back up again or he'll accidentally bump one of the levers
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[2:24] <IT_Sean> you tried to throw an A/C unit in the normal trash for collection?
[2:24] <ThantiK> Would anyone be willing to test if tint2 works under the debian/fedora pi distros?
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[2:28] <three14> IT_Sean, I thought about wrapping it in a blanket and triple bagging it with trash bags, but ended up taking it to some local guy that recycled them.
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[2:29] <oldtopman> I threw out car tires once.
[2:29] <oldtopman> One tire wasn't really a problem.
[2:29] <oldtopman> One tire one week, another the next...you get the idea :3
[2:29] <three14> i think they allow us to simply shuck those out into the land fills
[2:29] <NucWin> ThantiK http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/t/tint2/
[2:29] <three14> not sure about normal door to door garbage collection, though.
[2:29] <three14> chuck*
[2:30] <IT_Sean> three14: you environmental terrorist! :o
[2:30] <three14> IT_Sean, it's WV, man.
[2:30] <ThantiK> NucWin: just because it's available doesn't mean it works.
[2:30] <three14> lol
[2:31] <three14> mountaintop mining is the number one problem with wv, right now.
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[2:31] <SStrife> http://i.imgur.com/OeUhfl.jpg
[2:31] <three14> sure they put the dirt back and plant trees, but it screws up the entire local ecosystem, water table, and half the trees don't make it past 2yrs.
[2:32] <SStrife> http://i.imgur.com/TqZbul.png
[2:32] <SStrife> occasionally it spits out a few garbage characters, but that doesn't seem to happen once getty has kicked in..
[2:32] <three14> ok, that seems extremely simple, Sstrife. definitely write up a how-to. :-)
[2:33] <SStrife> i just followed some other guy's build
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[2:33] <SStrife> but on perfboard instead of etching my own PCB
[2:33] <r00t|home> three14: bastard
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[2:33] <three14> i need to unpack the hakko, using the ghetto weller for the time being
[2:34] <SStrife> http://zuzebox.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/rs232-breakout-board-v0-20-for-raspberry-pi/
[2:34] <three14> but fwiw, it does a damned good job on 90% of things
[2:34] <SStrife> he uses a 3v3 reg to run off pi's more abundant 5v rail
[2:34] <three14> i also need to buy more solder. i'm down to my .022" spool now
[2:35] <SStrife> but i bypassed that, because all I want to do it go into a PC's serial port
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[2:35] <SStrife> i don't need any extra current, and the max3232cpe uses stuff all
[2:37] <three14> bookmarked and saved the schematic.
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[2:38] <three14> i should order a few of those MAX3232s
[2:38] <SStrife> http://i.imgur.com/TqZbu.png
[2:38] <SStrife> thats better
[2:39] <three14> lol, i use that same ascii font
[2:39] <three14> ended up using the bashrc from gentoo, though. i like the color scheme
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[2:43] <three14> i need to work on my organization skills. i found 4 tlc5940s. don't really have a use for them atm.
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[2:52] <ReggieUK> I've got a handful of those I Think
[2:53] <three14> any ideas for use?
[2:53] <ReggieUK> led matrix driver?
[2:53] <ReggieUK> should have enough there for rgb8x8
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[2:54] <ReggieUK> 4096 shades per colour I think
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[3:34] <three14> curious..is there any performance difference between using a swap partition versus a swapfile?
[3:35] <trevorman> a little. doubt you'd notice it though.
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[3:36] <three14> was writing an image to another card and getting ready to resize the partition. thought i'd try the lazy route and just use a file.
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[3:36] <three14> thanks
[3:37] <three14> looking back, i regret playing it safe and getting 8gb class 6 sd cards
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[3:38] <trevorman> they do 25MB/s?
[3:38] <three14> probably closer to 15-20
[3:40] <three14> can't I use hdparm to check the speed?
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[3:41] <three14> something like hdparm -t -T or something
[3:43] <trevorman> you using zgreg's patches?
[3:43] <three14> no that i am aware.
[3:43] <three14> here's the result of hdparm -t -T
[3:44] <three14> Timing cached reads: 138 MB in 2.01 seconds = 68.55 MB/sec
[3:44] <three14> Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 3.18 seconds = 4.41 MB/sec
[3:44] <three14> o_O
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[3:44] <trevorman> not sure of the current progress but zgreg's patches should improve that significantly and hit pretty much the limit for your card
[3:44] <trevorman> like 4MB/s going to ~23MB/s
[3:45] <three14> awesome. i will look into it. It'd certainly be an improvement
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[3:47] <hermanhermitage> i guess the quickest input IO channel is the camera interface
[3:47] <hermanhermitage> SD and USB2 and 10/100 are naturally pretty limited
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[3:50] <trevorman> hermanhermitage: only problem is that the CSI interface hangs off the GPU IIRC
[3:52] <three14> are there any links to an already patched kernel image for zgreg's sd patch?
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[3:54] <neofutur> think those patched are in the latest rpi-update
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[3:55] <alusion> Where can I keep updated on Raspberry Pi orders n information / releases? I have still yet to get one
[3:56] <neofutur> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commit/1178c4db57e8676f331fdacfb37ff1662430ea5f
[3:56] <three14> neofutur, thanks. i haven't ran rpi-update on this install yet. :-)
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[3:58] <chbg> alusion: http://bit.ly/MLwZP6 or http://bit.ly/xAi7IB. If you aren't comfortable going through shortened URLs, I can give you the original URLs (they were just long & messy).
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[3:58] <chbg> alusion: Fill out the forms and they'll notify you when they've received a shipment of R-Pis.
[3:59] <jardiamj> Hi guys, if I plug my earphones to the rpi and do the test as it says in the wiki, it works fine
[3:59] <jardiamj> but it doesn't work when I try it through the HDMI
[4:00] <chbg> Doesn't that depend on the HDMI?
[4:00] <chbg> Or, the audio/video receiver?
[4:01] <markbook> you mean you're not getting audio on your TV via the HDMI output?
[4:01] <three14> using the alsa driver?
[4:01] <jardiamj> I'm trying the trouble shutting on the wiki, because I can't seem to get it working
[4:01] <hermanhermitage> trevorman: yes but if they show a frame capture working...
[4:01] * markbook has not had a problem with that using the OpenElec build.
[4:01] <jardiamj> yes, with alsa-utils package installed
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[4:02] <three14> try to force hdmi with sudo amixer cset numid=3 2
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[4:02] <three14> 0 is auto, 1 is headphone, 2 is hdmi
[4:02] <three14> see here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=7663
[4:03] <three14> hope that helps :-\
[4:03] <jardiamj> that's what I just tried
[4:03] <jardiamj> the headphone one works fine
[4:03] <jardiamj> but not with the hdmi
[4:03] <jardiamj> that's what I just wrote
[4:04] <jardiamj> I'm trying the trouble shooting on the wiki
[4:06] <chbg> jardiamj: So, I'm assuming you've checked & made sure that the HDMI worked with your monitor/TV when connected to another device?
[4:06] <jardiamj> yes it does..
[4:07] <jardiamj> it works perfectly fine with my Xbox
[4:08] <three14> wow, i went from 4MBps to 18.5MBps after rpi-update according to hdparm -t -T
[4:08] <three14> that'll do, donkey. that'll do.
[4:08] <chbg> Okay. What all have you tried per the troubleshooting instructions?
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[4:09] <jagginess> hi
[4:10] <three14> howdy
[4:11] <jagginess> i made a request with farnell.com for availability of the next stock.. any of you by any chance know if this will be weeks? because chances are i'll completely forget about it ://
[4:12] <jagginess> hi three14
[4:12] <three14> i haven't a clue, jagginess.
[4:12] <chbg> I'm interested in an answer to jagginess's question, as well.
[4:13] <jardiamj> chbg, I have tried all what it says there...
[4:13] <three14> any way to ask them via Twitter? Asking in public will usually get you a faster response.
[4:13] <jardiamj> forced to hdmi does nothing
[4:13] <jardiamj> no sound comes out..
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[4:14] <jardiamj> forcing to earphones, workes ok
[4:14] <jardiamj> *works..
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[4:14] <jardiamj> I can hear what that file plays
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[4:17] <jagginess> jardiamj, the usb factor i'm guessing it's 1.1?
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[4:18] <chbg> jardiamj: Post your EDID dump with "tvserver -d".
[4:18] <chbg> *tvservice
[4:18] <chbg> "tvservice -d"
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[4:21] <jagginess> anyone here using the model b?
[4:21] <chbg> I am.
[4:21] <three14> all of us?
[4:21] <david3x3x3> i'm not sure they're selling model a yet
[4:22] <markbook> Yep, I have a B and another coming.
[4:22] <jagginess> i intend to try to relive an old stereo system with good speakers-- a music box-- problem is the audio is rca.. and that audio jack looks low quality-- so i'm thinking of trying to hook a good usb audio-rca jack adapter on it
[4:23] <markbook> With much of the stuff on the board I'm less worried about the quality of the jack than I am about insert/remove cycles and the connection of the components to the board.
[4:24] <three14> if it's a phonograph, the current alsa driver is perfect. ;-) j/k I's just get an 1/8" stereo to rca adapter and roll with that until the alsa driver improves.
[4:24] <jagginess> a concern i have is if the usb port would be good enough.. (and perhaps building/compiling if necessary later on for the usb audio)
[4:25] <jagginess> which is why i was wondering if the usb is 1.1+ or better
[4:26] <three14> not much experience with usb soundcards, but i don't see why 1.1 wouldnt be good enough. chances are it's cheaper and already has decent drivers available. but again, i don't have much experience with them.
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[4:26] <jagginess> unless someone can refer me to a very cost-effective hdmi-audio converter that works with the board.. that'll be worth a shot
[4:27] <david3x3x3> i'd probably try going with the 1/8" stereo jack
[4:28] <three14> ^ probably the best bet for now.
[4:31] <jagginess> david3x3x3, what chipset is used for that? maybe i can research that chip and give me an idea
[4:31] <jagginess> (also i noticed it says 2 usb ports for the model b, according to wikipedia)
[4:31] <david3x3x3> how is the chipset relevant? it's built into the raspberry pi.
[4:32] <david3x3x3> get an adapter cable and plug it into the line inputs of your stereo.
[4:32] <markbook> but the drivers aren't
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[4:33] <three14> jagginess: http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Audio-Cable-Splitter-1-Mini/dp/B00004Z5CP/ref=sr_1_11?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1339727461&sr=1-11&keywords=1%2F8+rca+adapter
[4:33] <david3x3x3> i had to load the snd_bcm2835 module to get the hdmi audio working
[4:33] <three14> get that, plug into the jack on the Raspberry Pi, then connect the RCAs to the old radio you had in mind
[4:33] <jagginess> hdmi. good choice. definitely better than audio jack.
[4:33] <david3x3x3> that same module might support the stereo output too. i haven't tried it.
[4:33] * jagginess thinks he may end up buying a converter unit
[4:34] <birdontophat> the sound quality of the analogue output on my pi is pretty bad
[4:34] <jagginess> birdontophat, thank you.
[4:34] <birdontophat> it's possible I have a defective one, but I think all boards suffer from it
[4:34] <markbook> check what's on OpenElec and/or raspbmc. Both got me audio over HDMI
[4:34] <birdontophat> something to do with a lack of isolation from electrical interference made by the pi itself
[4:35] <birdontophat> anyway, I tried a Behringer USB soundcard but couldn't get it to work sadly :|
[4:35] <three14> i'd wait until you have a raspberry pi, then check the progress/quality of the audio from the ALSA driver, then decide on buying a converter. if you want to go with OpenELEC/XBMC for your audio needs, it's quality is worlds better.
[4:35] <jagginess> birdontophat, you using model a?
[4:35] <three14> there is no model a yet
[4:35] <birdontophat> model b
[4:36] <birdontophat> I didn't notice the quality being any better on XBMC
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[4:36] <markbook> I haven't had any audio issues with xbmc via hdmi
[4:36] <markbook> I haven't tried the audio jack
[4:37] <birdontophat> yeah, hdmi is fine
[4:37] <markbook> ah
[4:37] <three14> via hdmi, it's nearly perfect here in XBMC. haven't checked via the audio jack
[4:37] <markbook> if the ground to the audio jack or the A/D is marginal that would cause problems
[4:38] <birdontophat> hdmi quality generally relies on what it's being plugged into rather than the pi hardware
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[4:38] * markbook suspects that HDMI uses an A/D on the target rather than the pi
[4:38] <markbook> or D/A actually
[4:38] <birdontophat> yeah
[4:40] <three14> I'd still suggest he wait until he has the Raspberry Pi in-hand.
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[4:43] <birdontophat> might as well, it's not terrible, just there's a bit of noticeable distortion
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[4:45] <dirty_d> anyone using scratchbox2?
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[4:49] <nacimmep> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG7vhMMXagQ&feature=plcp
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[4:52] <three14> pi is good enough
[4:52] <three14> just like the 700MHz arm6
[4:53] <three14> but we can always call the next one Raspberry Tau
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[4:54] <markbook> three14: then things will have come full circle.
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[4:54] * three14 is now hungry.
[4:55] <jagginess> three14, tau should be taught. those who teach pi should well.. get a pie.
[4:55] <jagginess> makes my math thinking easier and clearer.
[4:55] <jagginess> lol
[4:55] <mikey_w> Blueberry Tart.
[4:55] <markbook> heh
[4:55] <three14> that's a lot of people that get pies
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[4:56] <markbook> Chocolate Mu?
[4:56] <three14> that depends on how people pronounce mu
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[4:58] <three14> all jokes aside, i do agree with the video
[4:58] <markbook> yep. I hadn't heard of Tau until Pi day last year.
[4:59] <markbook> but recently working with complex numbers Tau is SO much easier to deal with.
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[5:00] <three14> average math skills in the US are dreadful, though
[5:01] <three14> blame it on whatever you'd like, schools, funding, etc. but it's still embarrassing as an american
[5:02] <three14> ask a random american something simple, like 'what's pythagorean theorem'
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[5:03] <three14> i was talking about it a few weeks back to a co-worker and i was stared at like i was a reincarnatiuon of Tsiolkovsky
[5:03] <Helldesk> then again, ask a random person anywhere and you still won't find a place where everyone knows the answer
[5:03] <Helldesk> what, for knowing your right-angled triangles?
[5:03] <three14> it doesn't have to be everyone.
[5:04] <Helldesk> but yeah, I can imagine you'd find less people knowing the answers around the states
[5:04] <Helldesk> (Finnish, myself, and we know everything)
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[5:05] <three14> if test scores are too low here, they just lower the requirements.
[5:05] <mikey_w> Trig is a beautiful thing.
[5:06] <three14> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/test-scores-plummet--so-florida-drops-passing-grade/2012/05/21/gIQAzopIeU_blog.html
[5:06] <mikey_w> I love trigometric substitutions.
[5:07] <three14> ^ lik dis if u cry evrytim
[5:10] <three14> this kind of crap worries me. one day these children with low test scores will run the country
[5:11] <three14> with any luck, the raspberry pi will help spark the imaginations of a few. even if it's just 1/20 children
[5:12] <Helldesk> quite often when they pull the old school grades of politicians around here, they definitely weren't among the best
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[5:12] <three14> around here, we pull birth certificates.
[5:12] <Helldesk> three14: with any luck, it'll inspire some kids to pick more STEM fields instead of becoming lawyers or bankers
[5:13] <three14> nearly every one of our politicians have a degree in law
[5:14] <three14> but i'm not going to get into politics. not here.
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[5:16] <Helldesk> yeah, I've heard - so they learn to beat each other to submission with presentation and formalities, not facts
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[5:17] <Helldesk> three14: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/576671_10151910879215942_1625995357_n.jpg
[5:19] <three14> i would tend to agree.
[5:21] <three14> education is really screwed up here.
[5:21] <three14> kids bust their humps in college and can't find a job when they get out
[5:22] <three14> stuck trying to pay off a mountain of debt with a mcdonalds salary
[5:22] <hermanhermitage> if you turn on a light a moth flies towards it pointlessly
[5:23] <hermanhermitage> is the human condition that different?
[5:23] <three14> elaborate
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[5:23] <hermanhermitage> hah caught out on a glib statement :P
[5:23] <mcfundash_pc> helloooo
[5:23] <hermanhermitage> i wasnt expecting to justify it :P
[5:24] <three14> i could apply it to a number of things.
[5:24] <three14> like, education inflation
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[5:25] <mcfundash_pc> I'm back, I'mg going to attempt to setup my pi again! also I got a usb to sata adapter so I can try using an actuall hard drive! W'ell see how it goes :D
[5:25] <hermanhermitage> i was thinking in a chomskyesque manufactured consent sense
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[5:25] <mcfundash_pc> I'm going to go write my Raspbian image and report back
[5:25] <mcfundash_pc> ?
[5:25] <mcfundash_pc> ok
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[5:26] <three14> lol
[5:26] <mcfundash_pc> there we go
[5:26] <mcfundash_pc> now im /away
[5:26] <mcfundash_pc> :)
[5:26] <mcfundash_pc> see ya
[5:27] <hermanhermitage> i do like my raspberrypi, its very good
[5:27] <hermanhermitage> even more so if someone gets accelerated X, and maybe somenoe else leaks GPU data sheets... :P
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[5:29] <jecxjo> oh all you silly people, i use my pi to replace my desktop (it died and i didnt want to try and figure otu what was wrong). who needs X when you have screen and tmux to make multiple consoles :D
[5:29] <three14> honestly, i'm happy that i 4x boost in sd card performance after rpi-update.
[5:29] <three14> got a*
[5:30] <hermanhermitage> i use tmux
[5:31] <hermanhermitage> but i'm also a graphics guy
[5:31] <hermanhermitage> three14: what MB/s do you get?
[5:31] <mcfundash_pc> I'm building a gaming computer and I'm going to sell this pc and use my Pi until I get everything for the gaming comp, then my Pi will become a seedbox or NAS or put XMBC on it for media center...
[5:32] <hermanhermitage> i've got this amazing setup here, i'm in a warehouse and i have a window over the warehouse, I have a TV down stairs because its too heavy to bring upstairs, and I use a digital camera to zoom to look at the TV. The Pi is connected to the TV
[5:32] <neofutur> anyone could get some graphic apps to work in the frame buffer, without X ?
[5:32] <mcfundash_pc> nice setup man
[5:32] <jecxjo> mine is seeding at the moment, a pptp server for when im on the road
[5:32] <hermanhermitage> neofutur: yeah gles works fine without X
[5:32] <three14> hermanhermitage, with an 8GB Class 6 I was getting only 4MBps, after rpi-update it am seeing 18.5MBps.
[5:32] <hermanhermitage> three14: sweet!
[5:32] <mcfundash_pc> I'm hopefully going to use it for seeding so my ratio on demonoid gets better
[5:32] <three14> well, you can always watch movies with mplayer+aalib, no? ;-)
[5:33] <neofutur> hermanhermitage: i had the same increse more or less
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[5:33] <mcfundash_pc> its ok right now but I want it to be really good
[5:33] <jecxjo> three14 what are you running for your test?
[5:33] <three14> hdparm -t -T , I din't know of any other tests to run off hand.
[5:33] <three14> didn't*
[5:34] <mcfundash_pc> YAY, writing Raspbian right now, can't wait to play quake at 9001 fps
[5:34] <jecxjo> oh thats as good as any, wasnt sure if everyone was testing against the same situation
[5:34] <three14> it's probably the max speed of this card. in Win7 it was getting something like 17ish
[5:35] <hermanhermitage> whats the card?
[5:35] <three14> Transcend brand
[5:35] <three14> can't read the other info on it.
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[5:36] <three14> not eith these eyes
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[5:36] <hermanhermitage> heh:)
[5:36] <three14> I wanted to play it safe -- bought two of them just for the Pi.
[5:36] <jecxjo> Timing cached reads: 250 MB in 2.00 seconds = 124.85 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 58 MB in 3.01 seconds = 19.26 MB/sec
[5:36] <jecxjo> not too shabby
[5:36] <three14> in retrospect, i should have mixed it up a bit and got a 16gb class 10 as well
[5:37] <three14> no, that's pretty good. what's the card?
[5:37] <jecxjo> let me check
[5:37] <jagginess> mcfundash_pc, you know alot about hdmi? because that's something i dont :/
[5:38] <jagginess> mcfundash_pc, media center is a great idea.. i'm thinking of doing that..
[5:38] <hotwings> three14 - i got a transcend 8gb class 6 for my rpi. works great. havent tried any of my other sdhc cards in it
[5:38] <three14> ah, same card then
[5:38] <jecxjo> three14 PNY 16GB SDHC Class 10
[5:39] <mcfundash_pc> jagginess: no sorry I don't
[5:39] <jagginess> three14, what's that an 8gb class6.. ssd?
[5:39] <three14> the only other card i have besides these two 8GB ones is a Kingston 2GB Class ? MicroSD with SD adapter.
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[5:40] <hotwings> i have several sdhc's.. been installing systems on them for years now :)
[5:40] <three14> the 2GB one works, but dmesg spits out -101 errors for 20-30sec before debian or raspbian boot.
[5:40] <jagginess> if one can do raid1 with two highspeed sd cards (64gb), that'll be so cool
[5:40] <hotwings> most of them are sandisk extreme iii's but i also have the transcend, a few patriot ones, etc
[5:40] <hermanhermitage> hah i'm only get 4.5MB/s
[5:41] <three14> damn, i'm behind on my SD card ownership
[5:41] <hermanhermitage> but then mine is a crusty old kingston card from a JAMMA/FRUIT machine i built
[5:41] <hotwings> my fileserver is installed on a 4gb kingston lol
[5:41] <three14> hermanhermitage, that's after a rpi-update?
[5:41] <hermanhermitage> i did one late last week, whats the latest
[5:42] <three14> hmm, don't remember the command to check. i glanced over it on the forums, but didn't absorb it. i just did it a little over an hour ago.
[5:43] <hermanhermitage> i'm on 318074 / june 4
[5:43] <hermanhermitage> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd version
[5:45] <jagginess> later folks..
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[5:47] <jecxjo> Jun 13 2012 11:49:28
[5:47] <jecxjo> Copyright (c) 2012 Broadcom
[5:47] <jecxjo> version 319510 (release)
[5:47] <mcfundash_pc> Ok, I'm going to try this now!
[5:47] <mcfundash_pc> booting in
[5:47] <mcfundash_pc> ...
[5:48] <hermanhermitage> nice, time for an update :P
[5:48] <three14> oh damn, i didn't notice you posted it
[5:48] <mcfundash_pc> 5...
[5:48] <three14> yea, let us know if it helps
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[5:49] <hermanhermitage> i wish this puppy had 10/100/1000G
[5:49] <hermanhermitage> err 1G
[5:50] <rvalles> that's pretty hard with an usb nic
[5:50] <hermanhermitage> yeah
[5:50] <hermanhermitage> i'm sitting on a 1G pipe here, straight onto the backbone at telstra/australia
[5:50] <rvalles> whatever the next pi is, is gonna be at least ARMv7 and will at least have builtin ethernet mac, that's for sure
[5:50] <three14> 1536/384 adsl. :'( I'm in the boondocks.
[5:50] <hermanhermitage> three14: yeah my rpi is on adsl
[5:51] <hermanhermitage> i'll get shot if i stick it on the production network
[5:51] <rvalles> if only if somebody would make a proper, quality breakout board for the allwinner A10.
[5:51] <hermanhermitage> yeah indeed
[5:51] <three14> who's gonna know.
[5:51] <mcfundash_pc> Insisting SD card... Btw This takes me awhile to type because Im actully not typing I'm writing wit
[5:51] <three14> come on, just the tip
[5:51] <three14> lol
[5:51] <hermanhermitage> haha
[5:51] <three14> just long enough for an apt-get update
[5:51] <three14> just to see how it feels
[5:52] <mcfundash_pc> Ok time to boot
[5:52] <hermanhermitage> onchip 1Gbit running netmap would be a great network processor
[5:52] <rvalles> notice there's huge SD perf improvements in latest fw/kernel.
[5:52] <three14> yea, definitely
[5:52] <hermanhermitage> kernel or firmware?
[5:52] <rvalles> 4->18 for me.
[5:52] <netman87> free 8/1 Mbps
[5:52] <hermanhermitage> ok lets see i'm about to reboot
[5:53] <rvalles> kernel for sure, could be both.
[5:53] <three14> same
[5:53] <jecxjo> rpi-update is now in the AUR, dont know why i didnt post it there before
[5:53] <rvalles> rpi-upgrade shall do the trick.
[5:53] <netman87> dunno if im going to get 100/10 Mbps
[5:53] <rvalles> that, yes.
[5:53] <mcfundash_pc> WTF I No power, event, my GPIO fan
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[5:54] <rvalles> right now what's nagging me the most is no 24bit fb
[5:54] <three14> banding?
[5:54] <rvalles> (framebuffer_depth = 24 works, but X draws shit. Not sure if fw problem or X bug)
[5:54] <rvalles> three14: yes, banding is eww.
[5:54] <rvalles> I use a wide-gamut H-IPS screen, not TN crap.
[5:55] <rvalles> meaning I'm not losing a couple bit but 8.
[5:55] <rvalles> it's quite the contrast.
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[5:55] <mcfundash_pc> Never mind Folks up and running
[5:55] <rvalles> my lightdm bg pic (default in raspian) has some cute gradients of blue
[5:56] <rvalles> it's quite the contrast just seeing it with 16 vs 24.
[5:56] <hermanhermitage> 19MB/s. i dont believe it :-)
[5:56] <three14> hell yea, seems like a nice boost
[5:56] <rvalles> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/41
[5:56] <mcfundash_pc> startx...
[5:56] <rvalles> hermanhermitage: :)
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[6:01] <mcfundash_pc> significantly better gpu performance on Raspbian vs Debian Squeeze
[6:02] <hermanhermitage> whats raspbian?
[6:02] <mikey_w> mcfundash_pc, does x actually run?
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[6:03] <three14> hermanhermitage, a flavor of debian for the pi
[6:03] <mcfundash_pc> Galaxies screensaver went about 2 fps, now goes at id Say like 10-30
[6:04] <mcfundash_pc> tes but No Extreme OC Yet
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[6:04] <rvalles> mcfundash_pc: nonsense
[6:04] <rvalles> mcfundash_pc: and I'm on raspian. It's faster overall.
[6:05] <rvalles> mcfundash_pc: the gpu... is still a framebuffer. And assuming you use rpi-update/etc, the fw and kernel are the same.
[6:05] <hermanhermitage> yeah i would have thought X is still soft
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[6:05] <rvalles> at most, since like everything is hardfp and built for the arm in the pi
[6:05] <hermanhermitage> is there an official X accelerated project?
[6:06] <hermanhermitage> (sorry soft as in software rendering)
[6:06] <rvalles> it should be that X, like everything else, is faster :P
[6:06] <rvalles> so the software rendering should be somewhat faster.
[6:06] <rvalles> hermanhermitage: not that I know of
[6:06] <hermanhermitage> i'm sure its all a ldm stm pump
[6:06] <rvalles> btw, do you know where the rpi-next tree is?
[6:06] <rvalles> I've seen people talk about it, but google's not finding it for me
[6:07] <rvalles> it apparently uses DMA rather than PIO for the SD and is even faster (and more CPU time left since no PIO)
[6:08] <rvalles> (but corrupts stuff, so not gonna test it... just want to track changes)
[6:08] <mcfundash_pc> I'm getting that on it right now I do@sanyoneknewany good terminal IRC chat program?
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[6:09] <mcfundash_pc> I'm just installing XChat
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[6:10] <mcfundash_pc> i'm very impresssed with raspbian
[6:11] <mcfundash_pc> using pisces build btw
[6:11] <birdontophat> irssi is supposed be a good terminal IRC
[6:11] <mcfundash_pc> too late, already got xchat
[6:11] <Helldesk> what lib do you need to poke at the gpio pins in python?
[6:12] <birdontophat> maybe if xchat is too hefty
[6:12] <three14> seriously, i am really taken aback by this sudden speed increase for the sd card
[6:12] <hermanhermitage> i'm using ircii
[6:12] <hermanhermitage> everyone said use irssi but i dont like it... no sir i dont like it!
[6:12] <Helldesk> irssi definitely, though if you need graphical free-form windowing then... well, xchat doesn't cut it
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[6:13] <three14> is bitchx still around?
[6:13] <hermanhermitage> i use it on my desktop here
[6:13] <hermanhermitage> but i tried to install it on rpi but didnt take
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[6:14] <hermanhermitage> (probably because i'm a career idiot)
[6:14] * raspbian is now known as mcfundash_pi
[6:14] <mcfundash_pi> yay
[6:14] <mcfundash_pi> this is me from my pi
[6:14] <three14> we never would have guessed ;-)
[6:14] <hermanhermitage> heh
[6:14] <mcfundash_pc> and from pc ^_^
[6:15] <mcfundash_pi> I'll use this now though since I hate using my pcs handwriting non-recognition
[6:15] <mcfundash_pi> wait no I'll just steal my moms keyboard >:D
[6:15] <mcfundash_pi> brb
[6:16] <hermanhermitage> i must watch my language, i forget this is all ages.
[6:17] <mcfundash_pi> yea im actually 14 btw
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[6:17] <mcfundash_pi> I don't think anyone my age cares about language though
[6:17] <hermanhermitage> i'm old enough to be my own father (something to do with transfinite numbers)
[6:17] <three14> sorry i said bitchx, bro
[6:17] <hermanhermitage> haha
[6:17] <three14> but it's the name
[6:17] <rvalles> 04:07:08 +mcfundash_pc | I'm getting that on it right now I do@sanyoneknewany good terminal IRC chat program?
[6:17] <mcfundash_pi> but you never know, I guess some like 7 year old kid could be here
[6:17] <Milos> im 3
[6:17] <Helldesk> well what about cloning git?
[6:17] <mcfundash_pi> I am using xchat
[6:17] <rvalles> mcfundash_pi: you've got irssi and weechat as options
[6:18] <Milos> gugu gaga
[6:18] <hermanhermitage> yeah i think raspberrypi is an inclusive community
[6:18] <hermanhermitage> so time to clean my mouth
[6:18] <three14> i'm actually a zygote
[6:18] <Milos> try detoll
[6:18] <mcfundash_pc> ok my pi might have just crashed
[6:18] <Milos> yay
[6:18] <Milos> mine does that all the time!
[6:18] <rvalles> mcfundash_pi: irssi's old and tested, more or less mantained but no new stuff. Weechat is the cool new thing, quite active development and has nice features and design decisions irssi lacks and doesn't seem willing to implement.
[6:18] <mcfundash_pc> good thing I got this keyboard now
[6:18] <Milos> it's fantastic!
[6:18] <mcfundash_pc> c rap keyboard though
[6:19] <mcfundash_pc> feels like I'm typing with jello
[6:19] <mcfundash_pc> ewww
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[6:19] <mcfundash_pc> rebbotin ma pi
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[6:19] <rvalles> hermanhermitage: tried weechat? see weechat.oreg
[6:19] <rvalles> -> org
[6:19] <three14> oooh, weechat is pretty
[6:19] <hermanhermitage> i like it really simple
[6:20] <three14> it looks like it can be simple, too
[6:20] <mcfundash_pc> hay my pi is rebooted yet no disconnect
[6:20] <hermanhermitage> just a step above telneting in (obviously the fixed text entry bar at the bottom of the screen and not having to ping all the time)
[6:20] <rvalles> hermanhermitage: well, if anything it isn't bloated.
[6:20] <rvalles> it's written in c.
[6:20] <three14> you're on your pc, bro
[6:20] <mcfundash_pc> channel must not hace synched yet
[6:20] <mcfundash_pc> uhhh
[6:20] <snaipperi> weechat looks interesting, gotta give it a try at some point
[6:20] <hermanhermitage> ok
[6:20] <mcfundash_pc> I'm seeing red text...not good :/
[6:20] <birdontophat> weechat looks nice, but I haven't figured out how to connect to a server yet..
[6:20] <Milos> what does it say
[6:20] <mcfundash_pc> reboot...
[6:20] <rvalles> they're at #weechat fwiw :)
[6:21] <mcfundash_pc> mcfundash_pi
[6:21] <mcfundash_pc> ...
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[6:21] <mcfundash_pc> yay working now
[6:21] <mcfundash_pc> whatrs the IRC terminal client again?
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[6:22] <hermanhermitage> bitchx ircii irssi ...
[6:22] <Helldesk> hmm, maybe I'll take a closer look at weechat; does it support something similar to irssi-proxy? not an irc connection through a proxy, but acting as a proxy you can either connect to from another client or irc through ssh?
[6:22] <mcfundash_pc> k
[6:22] <Helldesk> like with a screen normally
[6:22] <D34TH> hmm, real men use 10TB bw a month
[6:22] <neofutur> irssi is great
[6:22] <D34TH> i think someone is trolling me
[6:22] <hermanhermitage> irssi had me feraking with every channel in a separate screen, and crazy formatting of messages (indented to length of nick)
[6:22] <mcfundash_pc> installing ircii now
[6:23] <three14> http://www.weechat.org/features/
[6:23] <mcfundash_pc> D34TH: how so
[6:23] <mcfundash_pc> ?
[6:23] <Helldesk> little things like that can drive you crazy; what I absolutely hated about xchat when I tried it once was how the nicknames weren't a part of the text buffer
[6:23] <D34TH> what do you have to do to use 10TB of bw in a month
[6:23] <Helldesk> so you could not copy them when you highlighted a piece of the conversation
[6:24] <D34TH> besides downloading movies
[6:24] <D34TH> s//movies
[6:24] <hermanhermitage> helldesk: hah that will freak me out
[6:25] <Helldesk> things like that is why nothing still beats mirc in the category of graphical irc clients
[6:25] <three14> people here will hate me, but a long time ago i fell in love with mirc, and i still have feelings for her.
[6:25] <Helldesk> and that's just unbelievable
[6:25] <D34TH> helldesk xchat-wdk
[6:25] <D34TH> all day every day
[6:25] <hermanhermitage> trying weechat now, however it seems to be pulling the known universe (and a few more) with it
[6:25] <Helldesk> I use mirc as well, because it's the least terrible option
[6:25] <mcfundash_pc> ok what i freenodes adress?
[6:26] <hermanhermitage> python, ruby, tcl? carzy
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[6:26] <Helldesk> D34TH: your suggestion for a better-than-xchat mirc replacement is xchat?
[6:26] <D34TH> meh the wdk is fun
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[6:26] <mcfundash_pi> YES
[6:26] <mcfundash_pi> it worked
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[6:26] <mcfundash_pi> im talking from ircii right npow
[6:27] <mcfundash_pi> :D
[6:27] <D34TH> and icechat is just terrible
[6:27] <Helldesk> granted, it's been years since I last tried it, but I doubt basic design choices have been re-done since that time
[6:27] <three14> hermanhermitage, well, i connected to freenode with weechat
[6:27] <three14> lol
[6:27] <mcfundash_pc> hey me on my pi thats realy cool
[6:27] <mcfundash_pi> I know it is man!!!
[6:27] <mcfundash_pi> your keyboard sucks btw
[6:27] <mcfundash_pc> Yea it does
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[6:27] <mcfundash_pc> lol
[6:27] <mcfundash_pi> lol
[6:28] <mcfundash_pc> so now what...
[6:28] <three14> will leave weechat on for a bit so i can 'decide'
[6:28] <mcfundash_pi> any ideas???
[6:28] <D34TH> helldesk: my friend swears by kvirc
[6:28] <mcfundash_pi> here wait a sec
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[6:28] <D34TH> i couldnt stand making a module for literally everything
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[6:28] <mcfundash_pc> ok, ima try doin irciii in x
[6:29] <mcfundash_pc> lets see...
[6:29] <Helldesk> I think I tried that too... I remember all alternatives being fundamentally unusable due to some basic design choices (or lack of them)
[6:30] <three14> "<+Helldesk> D34TH: your suggestion for a better-than-xchat mirc replacement is xchat?" <--Dear god, i nearly lost it.
[6:30] <D34TH> xchat > xchat
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[6:30] <mcfundash_pi> ok now im in x
[6:30] <three14> lmfao
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[6:30] <mcfundash_pc> wut
[6:31] <mcfundash_pc> so gys how do I install Quake3 on this?
[6:31] <mcfundash_pc> gotta see what it can do with Raspbina now
[6:31] <three14> compile the source, add the demo or retail pk3 files
[6:32] <mcfundash_pc> but its soooo much work
[6:32] <three14> but it's sooo rewarding
[6:32] <mcfundash_pc> I wonder if it can play warsow
[6:32] <mcfundash_pc> has anyone tried warsow?
[6:32] <mcfundash_pc> not sure if warsow has an ARM11 version but if so that would bb epic
[6:33] <birdontophat> probably no arm version
[6:33] <mcfundash_pc> is there any binaries for quake?
[6:33] <mcfundash_pc> there ahs to be
[6:33] <birdontophat> unless someone has tried compiling one, I think it's open source
[6:33] <SStrife> compiling Q3A is easy
[6:33] <mcfundash_pi> -_-
[6:33] <SStrife> and takes a about an hour
[6:34] <mcfundash_pi> alright can I have the links? lets do this!
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[6:34] <three14> christ on a crutch, mcfundash_pc. here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7gvvhjwhyt1zg9h/quake3_arm_raspberrypi.zip
[6:34] <SStrife> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6511
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[6:34] <three14> everyone and their grandma has the binaries. lol
[6:35] <SStrife> three14: are those binaries for hardfloat?
[6:35] <D34TH> even us windows kids have our bins
[6:35] <three14> probably not, i think they were compiled by liam
[6:35] <mcfundash_pi> ok also I'm going to try running at Doms settings of 1GHz with 6 over_voltage
[6:35] <SStrife> is that the original zip file from when rpi was first launched?
[6:36] <mcfundash_pc> three14: do I goto that from my pc or pi?
[6:36] <SStrife> you know that setting over voltage seta a non-resettable flag on the SoC
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[6:36] <SStrife> so if you break it and take it back, they will know it's been overvolted
[6:36] <three14> SStrife, pretty sure i rezipped it, and yes, from sometime 'near' launch
[6:36] <mcfundash_pc> I
[6:36] <three14> yea, go for 900mhz until there are more pis available
[6:37] <SStrife> also, vsync is stuck on, so you won't get over 60FPS
[6:37] <mcfundash_pc> SStrife: I have already overvolted, too late -_-
[6:37] <three14> SStrife, if you have hardfloat bins, let me know.
[6:37] <SStrife> no matter how much you OC pi
[6:37] <mcfundash_pc> i went all the way to 8
[6:37] <SStrife> three14: I did, till I wiped my SD card about an hour ago
[6:38] <three14> haha
[6:38] <mcfundash_pc> Its a $50 computer, if it dies, its ok plus it was in the name of SCIENCE
[6:38] <SStrife> if it dies you might not get another one for a few months, that's the only thing
[6:38] <rvalles> three14: hardfloat bins for what?
[6:38] <three14> q3a
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[6:38] <SStrife> it's easy to compile, srs
[6:38] <rvalles> oh
[6:38] <mcfundash_pc> why wwoyuld I need above 60 fps?
[6:38] <mcfundash_pc> lol
[6:38] <SStrife> just use the link up there
[6:38] <three14> yea, i can compile, not a problem
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[6:39] <SStrife> mcfundash_pc: to see how much of a difference OC'ing makes
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[6:39] <SStrife> thats all though
[6:39] <SStrife> nothing special other than that
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[6:39] <three14> you'll gain about 100 bogomips per 100MHz or so
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[6:39] <three14> at least from what i saw going from 700, to 800, to 900
[6:40] <Syliss> has anyone hit 1ghz yet?
[6:40] <three14> Dom
[6:40] <three14> with overvolt of 6
[6:40] <three14> probably others, i'd imagine
[6:40] <Syliss> only way to do it is ov, no?
[6:41] <three14> past 900, yes. i tried 1000 without ov, and no boot
[6:41] <mcfundash_pc> I got to 1.1 yesterday but only semi-stable
[6:41] <mcfundash_pc> my goal is to fully stablize that tonight
[6:41] <Syliss> nice
[6:41] <hermanhermitage> rather than overclock, i prefer to underclock myself (ie a few beers)
[6:42] <SStrife> It just took 15 minutes to transfer 2MB from my Pi to my PC
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[6:42] <mcfundash_pc> rebooitin
[6:42] <SStrife> sigh
[6:43] <mcfundash_pc> 1GHz booting...
[6:43] <three14> ok, but we'd better not see you do this, mcfundash_pc:
[6:43] <three14> http://i.qkme.me/3ppzp1.jpg
[6:43] <rvalles> overvolt's silly
[6:43] <mcfundash_pc> something already failed -_-
[6:43] <three14> logic?
[6:43] <rvalles> do that if you want to destroy your pi and only then
[6:44] <rvalles> just for a little more speed.
[6:44] <mcfundash_pc> yea but that makes no sence
[6:44] <mcfundash_pc> it reduces life
[6:44] <rvalles> three14: nice pic xD
[6:44] <rvalles> it makes no sense _now_
[6:44] <rvalles> that there's a short supply of pis
[6:44] <hermanhermitage> if you want to find the devices breaking point its interesting experiment
[6:44] <mcfundash_pc> but worst case scenario it ends up dieing a year from now rather than maybe 10 or twenty with no overvolt
[6:44] <hermanhermitage> but its not very useful one :P
[6:45] <rvalles> once they're easier to obtain then by all means risk it if you wanna
[6:45] <three14> is overvolt really worth it for a net gain of 100 bogomips more than a 900MHz overclock?
[6:45] <birdontophat> wasn't there a video posted on the raspbi blog recently with eben saying that everyone at the office overclocks their pi?
[6:45] <rvalles> I overclock mine, too.
[6:45] <three14> i doubt he meant overvolt, though
[6:45] <mcfundash_pc> and ABSOLUTE worst case scenario, you find out how quickly a pi dies from overvolting and can warn everyone else
[6:45] <rvalles> Just not overvolt.
[6:46] <three14> i've been running at 900MHz since i first booted on the 5th
[6:46] <birdontophat> i mean, he said they overvolt
[6:46] <mcfundash_pc> startingx on my pi
[6:46] <birdontophat> since the topic was about overclocking and voiding warranty
[6:46] <mcfundash_pc> with 1ghz
[6:46] <SStrife> eben has unlimited pi's though.
[6:46] <rvalles> http://www.despair.com/mis24x30prin.html
[6:46] <Syliss> isn't the hexxeh image 800?
[6:46] <birdontophat> that's true
[6:47] <three14> there are tons of devs out there still waiting on Pis, why risk frying one. if you want to stress test it, mail it to a dev.
[6:47] <Syliss> is it only in increments of 100?
[6:47] <hermanhermitage> yet to see a "will it blend" or someone smashing their pi on youtube :P
[6:47] <SStrife> my local electronics store wants $25 for a basic 20MHz oscilloscope probe
[6:47] <mcfundash_pc> I'll do whatteverI want with my pi, overvolt it as much as I want and noibody can stop my mwahahaha
[6:48] <SStrife> pfft
[6:48] <three14> that's true
[6:48] <three14> we can't make you do anything, but we can make you wish you did.
[6:48] <mcfundash_pc> so my piu is not showing desktop but everything else works...weird
[6:48] <SStrife> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/20mhz-oscilloscope-probe-with-x1-x10-switch-max-600v-34219?item=8
[6:48] <SStrife> pfft
[6:48] <SStrife> $6
[6:48] <SStrife> i love dealextreme
[6:48] <rvalles> SStrife: was gonna suggest just that.
[6:49] <rvalles> atm pondering where to get some female-female jumper wires
[6:49] <Syliss> how long does it take to get stuff from DE?
[6:49] <SStrife> i bought a secondhand 20MHz scope from gumtree (kinda like craigslist)
[6:49] <rvalles> even in dx it seems there's a huge premium for it.
[6:49] <SStrife> best $50 ever
[6:50] <mcfundash_pc> wtf, can't install chrome
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[6:50] <rvalles> I sort of got one for free, SStrife.
[6:50] <rvalles> beat that :P
[6:50] <mcfundash_pc> I'm getting
[6:50] <SStrife> that's pretty rad
[6:50] <rvalles> tipical hameg thingy
[6:50] <rvalles> 2ch analog.
[6:50] <SStrife> haha, mine's only 1 channel
[6:50] <mcfundash_pc> chromium-browser : Depends: chromium (>=10) but it is not installable
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[6:51] <SStrife> and I had to replace the BNC connectors before i could use it
[6:51] <rvalles> mcfundash_pc: raspbian?
[6:51] <rvalles> mcfundash_pc: no arm chrome in wheezy.
[6:51] <mcfundash_pc> E: Unable to correct problems, you have help broken packages
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[6:51] <mcfundash_pc> do I have to add a repo?
[6:51] <rvalles> (looking forward to it like everybody else)
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[6:51] <mcfundash_pc> it worked fine in debian squeeze
[6:51] <rvalles> yep
[6:52] <rvalles> but wheezy != squeeze, as you see
[6:52] <SStrife> debian squeeze uses software floating point
[6:52] <rvalles> chrome build is currently broken in wheezy and has apparently been for a while.
[6:52] <rvalles> SStrife: not raspbian's repo.
[6:52] <mcfundash_pc> daawwwwww
[6:52] <SStrife> (at least, the foundation's squeeze image)
[6:52] <rvalles> SStrife: err, sorry, you said squeeze.
[6:52] <rvalles> :)
[6:52] <SStrife> i did. :)
[6:52] <mcfundash_pc> fine I'll use midori
[6:52] <rvalles> names so confusing.
[6:52] <rvalles> mcfundash_pc: if only if that sucked less :)
[6:52] <mcfundash_pc> or not...task bar just disappeared
[6:53] <mcfundash_pc> yay
[6:53] <SStrife> unstable
[6:53] <mcfundash_pc> how nice
[6:53] <mcfundash_pc> thanks pi
[6:53] <rvalles> gotta lower that clock into something reasonable
[6:53] <mcfundash_pc> no
[6:53] <rvalles> 900/350/500 seems like a good idea.
[6:53] <mcfundash_pc> Must....Raise...it...higher >:D
[6:53] <SStrife> mcfundash_pc: raise the volts till you get the blue smoke
[6:53] <mcfundash_pc> more volts more clocks more frequencies
[6:53] <rvalles> oh well, there's one less #raspberrypi-er.
[6:54] <mcfundash_pc> SStrife: will do
[6:54] <three14> Firefox/IceWeasel works ok, but rendering some of the more popular sites will bring the Pi to it's knees, no matter how high you clock it.
[6:54] <SStrife> all you need is a screenshot from CPU-Z right? that counts! :P
[6:54] <mcfundash_pc> jk but I want to see the limits of this
[6:54] <hermanhermitage> anything less than 110v and you arent trying hard enough
[6:54] <rvalles> three14: firefox likes its ram.
[6:54] <rvalles> 256's just not enough
[6:54] <rvalles> with 512m is probably about usable
[6:54] <three14> rvalles, yea, strictly a one-tab browsing experience.
[6:55] <mcfundash_pc> I won't go above 8 until I can get a stable >1Ghz OC/OV
[6:55] <mcfundash_pc> 8 overvolting
[6:55] <neofutur> arm_freq=930 gpu_freq=350 sdram_freq=500
[6:55] <mcfundash_pc> which is 1.4v
[6:55] <neofutur> works very well here
[6:55] <rvalles> neofutur: 940 doesn't?
[6:55] <D34TH> hermanhermitage: anything less than 1.1kv and you arent trying enough
[6:55] <neofutur> not tried, 930 is enough for me
[6:55] <SStrife> i'm using stock, because my pi will be talking to a device over 19.2kbps serial
[6:55] <three14> i'll stick to 900 until the supply increases.
[6:55] <rvalles> neofutur: 929 isn't?
[6:55] <neofutur> and i m happy i found a very stable setting, even on long lasting high load
[6:55] <hermanhermitage> i'm going to underclock just to be anti-cool
[6:56] <mcfundash_pc> how the hell does it kernal panic shutting down
[6:56] <mcfundash_pc> *sigh*
[6:56] <three14> lol
[6:56] <mcfundash_pc> booting
[6:56] <rvalles> hermanhermitage: a bit pointless, seeing the usb hub with eth chip is wasting 1w
[6:56] <SStrife> underclock and undervolt it till you can run pi off a single AA battery
[6:56] <mcfundash_pc> lets see...
[6:56] <mcfundash_pc> activating swap...
[6:56] <neofutur> but it seems you need a good, stable power adapter for stable overclocking
[6:56] <mcfundash_pc> just s-nope its going now
[6:57] <hermanhermitage> rvalles: 666 for me
[6:57] <hermanhermitage> evil pi
[6:57] <mcfundash_pc> im using apple usb wall adapter
[6:57] <McGooch> the iPad one is awesome
[6:57] <mcfundash_pc> I figure the most stable/most amps would be when its straight from mains
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[6:58] <three14> yea, mains voltage ac should nail it
[6:58] <three14> the polyfuse can take it
[6:58] <mcfundash_pc> no I mean because it should delive the max USB is allowed to carry
[6:58] <mcfundash_pc> not straight into mains
[6:59] <McGooch> Also depends on how the poser supply was built, certainly not all equal
[6:59] <rvalles> hermanhermitage: hehe
[6:59] <McGooch> power
[6:59] <mcfundash_pc> frozen pi...
[6:59] <D34TH> throw it in a defroster
[6:59] <mcfundash_pc> gotta heat this pi up before eating
[6:59] <D34TH> silly goose
[7:00] <McGooch> The iPhone wall adapter is no where near as good as the iPad wall adapter and both are USB
[7:00] <mcfundash_pc> I actually modified a normal pc fan to plug int the GPIO
[7:00] <mcfundash_pc> I swear it keeps it cooler
[7:00] <three14> *facepalm*
[7:00] <mcfundash_pc> mayvbe a placebo but whateva
[7:00] <three14> the ram will run cooloer
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[7:01] <three14> cooler*
[7:01] <three14> but not the gpu itself
[7:01] <three14> errm, cpu/gpu
[7:01] <McGooch> The lan chip gets surprisingly hot
[7:01] <three14> iirc, the ram is stacked on top
[7:01] <mcfundash_pc> thats why I have a fan. it cools the entire board
[7:01] <nacimmep> i cover mine with dry ice!!!
[7:01] <nacimmep> suck it!!!!!!!!!!!!
[7:01] <three14> liquid helium, ftw
[7:02] <mcfundash_pc> actually might try that when I go above 8 (1.4v) overvolting
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[7:02] <three14> be sure to get the proper containment vessel for the liquid helium
[7:02] <mcfundash_pc> dry ice
[7:02] <nacimmep> omfg im so sick of hear about people overclocking
[7:03] <nacimmep> get a faster CPU if you want those speeds!!!
[7:03] <hermanhermitage> haha
[7:03] <McGooch> Or even enable hardware FP
[7:03] <three14> we've been trying to tell him, nacimmep
[7:03] <hermanhermitage> its all just play :)
[7:03] <hermanhermitage> are there any rules to play? :)
[7:03] <nacimmep> just know this when you overvolt/clock you're shortening its life
[7:03] <three14> depends on the game, i suppose
[7:04] <hermanhermitage> blow up a couple, get a feel for it
[7:04] <mcfundash_pc> I know that duh
[7:04] <mcfundash_pc> overclock doesn't shorten life3
[7:04] <nacimmep> so while you burn through multiple boards ill still be using my one
[7:04] <mcfundash_pc> overvolt on the othernhand.....
[7:04] <three14> if you're gonna do it just to fry it, at least take accurate temperature readings and post everything to the forums
[7:04] <hermanhermitage> in sky diving and base jumping there is an expression "ground is limit"
[7:04] <mcfundash_pc> Its a $50 dollar computer
[7:04] <mcfundash_pc> I don'
[7:04] <nacimmep> spend that money wisely on a more expensive faster board :PPPP
[7:05] <mcfundash_pc> t care if it dies its all just for expierementing
[7:05] <hermanhermitage> let him find the "smoke is limit" line of overclocking :)
[7:05] <rvalles> yeah, just get a pandaboard.
[7:05] <mcfundash_pc> I'm building a gaming px
[7:05] <rvalles> :P
[7:05] <three14> my face is red from all the facepalms
[7:05] <mcfundash_pc> pc
[7:05] <nacimmep> you cant even spell experiment
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[7:05] <nacimmep> :PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPp
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[7:05] <rvalles> looking forward to OMAPv5-based pandaboard-like boards.
[7:06] <McGooch> I can't spell niether
[7:06] <rvalles> omapv5's Q3 afaik
[7:06] <mcfundash_pc> I can but this isx a horible keyboard that messes up and I sometimes use shortuc spllings because it is so painful to type on
[7:06] <three14> anyone look at open magenta yet? (ios compatible clone)
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[7:06] * nacimmep rage
[7:06] * mcfundash_pc calm yourself
[7:06] <three14> apparently only for armv7, but could it not be compiled for armv6
[7:06] <nacimmep> you shut your mouth
[7:06] <McGooch> Hey, did the KND key stuck issue with the Pi distr.'s get fixed yet?
[7:06] * mcfundash_pc opens his mouth wide
[7:07] * three14 places a dirty sock in mcfundash_pc's mouth
[7:07] <nacimmep> go burn through the already limited supply of pi's
[7:07] <nacimmep> dbag
[7:07] <nacimmep> :PPPPP
[7:07] * mcfundash_pc suddenly is a dog and enjoys ripping the sock to shreds
[7:07] <nacimmep> i still DONT HAVE MY OWN!!!!!
[7:07] * mcfundash_pc is no longer a dog
[7:08] <mcfundash_pc> lol IRC /me ing
[7:08] <nacimmep> cause you fools keep snarfing multiple ones and burning them overvolting
[7:08] <mcfundash_pc> ok I gotta actually work on my pi now
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[7:08] <nacimmep> "hmm 700mhz arm is cool but i WANT MOARRRRR!"
[7:08] <nacimmep> then buy a damn x64 ya ween
[7:08] <hermanhermitage> more pi becomes less pi
[7:09] <mcfundash_pc> I WANT 3GHZ ON MY PI YEESSSS
[7:09] <McGooch> 700 to 900 is a big jump and worth it.
[7:09] <nacimmep> pi sucks tau is where its at
[7:09] <three14> fwiw, you could oc it to 3ghz and it still wouldn't render a modern webpage fast enough
[7:09] <three14> so...what's the real point
[7:09] <hermanhermitage> smoke is limit!!!
[7:10] <nacimmep> tip, your pi will never compete with your current computer 02 DONE
[7:10] <mcfundash_pc> agreed
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[7:10] <mcfundash_pc> I will not stop until I beat the current OC record of 8.x Ghz
[7:11] <three14> you'll need 8 of them for that
[7:11] <mcfundash_pc> ill go all th way to 9Ghz O_o
[7:11] <SStrife> or more
[7:11] <mcfundash_pc> no
[7:11] <mcfundash_pc> just EXTREME cooling
[7:11] <mcfundash_pc> and overvolting
[7:11] <hermanhermitage> faith
[7:11] <hermanhermitage> and alot of raspberry pi's :P
[7:11] <three14> cooling can onyl do so much , even if it's at absolute zero
[7:11] <mcfundash_pc> all I have to do is defy the laws of physics, shouldn't be too hard right?
[7:12] <nacimmep> shouldnt you be playing some overpriced game on your windows computer?
[7:12] <nacimmep> leave the software development to the real men
[7:12] <mcfundash_pc> My windowas computer sucks
[7:12] <three14> i could go for some l4d2
[7:12] <mcfundash_pc> I am building a gaming pc
[7:12] <mcfundash_pc> building, not built
[7:12] <nacimmep> go build then gtfo of here
[7:13] <hermanhermitage> haha settle
[7:13] <mcfundash_pc> currently im on a pentium 4 at 3Ghz, about equal to a 1.5Ghz recent chip
[7:13] <mcfundash_pc> thats not how it works
[7:13] <nacimmep> go back to 4chan where you belong
[7:14] <mcfundash_pc> that explains allot...
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[7:14] * three14 is still using a core2quad @ 2.5GHz :'(
[7:14] * PiBot sets mode +v nrdb
[7:14] <hermanhermitage> nacimmep: its going to be a long slow lif for you if you want to waste it berating others ;P
[7:14] * arch1mede is now known as Arch1mede
[7:14] <mcfundash_pc> yea, just chill k
[7:14] <three14> plus troll food is expensive, yo
[7:14] <hermanhermitage> haha
[7:14] <nacimmep> you shut your mouth men are talking
[7:15] <nacimmep> shouldnt you be photoshopping pony images?
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[7:15] <DaQatz> nacimmep: are you the same nacimmep from rizon?
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[7:16] <mcfundash_pc> damn it I keep typing commands on the wrong keybard
[7:16] <DaQatz> mcfundash_pc: I do that a lot.
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[7:16] <SStrife> need a good terminal emulator for my pc
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[7:16] <D34TH> sstrife define emulator
[7:16] <SStrife> PuTTY renders everything properly, but doesn't support Zmodem
[7:16] <three14> i typed 'clear' earlier, than tried to play it off like it was mIRC's fault
[7:16] <D34TH> powershell would do
[7:17] <DaQatz> !channel
[7:17] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspbian #rpi-gentoo #raspberrypi-owners
[7:17] <SStrife> HyperTerminal doesn't support linux's escape sequences, but supports Zmodem
[7:17] <mcfundash_pc> Oh god nacimmep please chill man \
[7:17] <nacimmep> zip it
[7:18] <three14> has anyone here attempted to run a vanilla minecraft server with a pre-rendered world on the Pi?
[7:18] * DaQatz pokes at nacimmep.
[7:18] <nrdb> SStrife, has MS ever done anything by the book!
[7:18] <D34TH> sstrife: leputty
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[7:18] <SStrife> hmm
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[7:19] <nacimmep> minecraft needs like atleast 256mb of ram something a pi cant do
[7:19] <nacimmep> and if it did it would suck
[7:19] <SStrife> oh wow, that looks like exactly what i was after, thanks D34TH :)
[7:19] <D34TH> np
[7:19] <DaQatz> Has nacimmep Done anything but troll?
[7:19] <netman87> minecraft is pretty heavy
[7:19] <nacimmep> you shut up
[7:19] <three14> nacimmep, I saw this and wondered if it was BS
[7:19] <three14> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberrypi/comments/uwmsh/rasberry_pi_can_run_a_minecraft_server_xpost/
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[7:20] <three14> the server doesn't have to be that beefy if the world has been generated.
[7:20] <mcfundash_pc> ok how do I compile quake3
[7:20] <D34TH> make
[7:20] <D34TH> :/
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[7:20] <nacimmep> if youre the only client im sure it wont be enjoyable
[7:21] <hermanhermitage> nacimmep: seems to work for you
[7:21] <mcfundash_pc> I am bad with compiling, i know its make somthing but what do I actually do, I got the quake3 folder on the desktop with start.sh, ioquake3.arm, ioq3ded.arm, and folers baseq3 and lib
[7:22] <mcfundash_pc> wut do
[7:22] <nacimmep> "reboot"
[7:22] <nacimmep> that seems to help all you windows people
[7:22] <nacimmep> HAHAHAHA
[7:22] <Arch1mede> i thought there was a quake3 tutorial?
[7:22] <mcfundash_pc> nacimmep please be constructive
[7:22] <mcfundash_pc> I am not in a possition to go anywher but this chat
[7:23] <nacimmep> shouldnt you be burning more boards?
[7:23] <mcfundash_pc> it would be much easier if someone could tell my the commands
[7:23] <nacimmep> be gone
[7:23] <three14> mcfundash_pc: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6511
[7:23] <mcfundash_pc> *sigh* where did everone else go
[7:23] <mcfundash_pc> thanks,lets hope I can visit that
[7:23] <DaQatz> !mute nacimmep
[7:23] * PiBot sets mode -v nacimmep
[7:23] <PiBot> nacimmep is muted.
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[7:24] <nacimmep> you suck
[7:24] * PiBot sets mode +m
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[7:25] <DaQatz> Why was PiBot so slow on the +m?
[7:25] <three14> too many bags of crisps?
[7:25] <mcfundash_pc> ok cloning now
[7:25] <DaQatz> Maybe
[7:25] <mcfundash_pc> ok
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[7:27] <mcfundash_pc> !mute nacimmep
[7:27] <mcfundash_pc> blarg
[7:27] <mcfundash_pc> okay
[7:27] <DaQatz> He is already muted.
[7:27] <mcfundash_pc> for everyone
[7:27] <mcfundash_pc> cool
[7:28] <mcfundash_pc> :)
[7:28] <three14_2> from what i can tell, a minecraft server is possible, but if the Pi is forced to generate the world, you're gonna have a bad time, and probably no server.
[7:28] <three14_2> meh, oh well
[7:28] <mcfundash_pc> so im trying to to quake now, rebooted -_-
[7:31] <three14> anyone remember when doom3 came out, and there were all these speed tweak guides. some dude got it to run on some ancient machine, but without lighting and textures so crappy it looked like a boot print in mud?
[7:33] <three14> http://www.firingsquad.com/media/gallery_index.asp/244
[7:33] <three14> http://www.firingsquad.com/media/galleries/doom_3_voodoo_2/13.jpg
[7:33] <three14> dat quality
[7:33] <mcfundash_pc> great, build.sh appeards to be empty
[7:33] <mcfundash_pc> how exciting
[7:33] <mcfundash_pc> ._,
[7:34] <mcfundash_pc> imagine a world..where everything in linux just worke4d
[7:35] <mcfundash_pc> or in any OS
[7:35] <mcfundash_pc> but mainly linux
[7:35] <mcfundash_pc> am I alone here
[7:35] <mcfundash_pc> ?
[7:35] <mcfundash_pc> !unmute nacimmep
[7:36] <DaQatz> !unmute nacimmep
[7:36] <PiBot> nacimmep is unmuted.
[7:36] * PiBot sets mode +v nacimmep
[7:36] <mcfundash_pc> nacimmep wassup
[7:36] <mcfundash_pc> hello?
[7:36] <mcfundash_pc> ;_;
[7:36] * PiBot sets mode -m
[7:37] <mcfundash_pc> -m
[7:37] <mcfundash_pc> !-m
[7:37] <mcfundash_pc> !+m
[7:37] <nacimmep> i have become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
[7:37] <mcfundash_pc> noa wai
[7:37] <mcfundash_pc> I don't habeeb it
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[7:38] <mcfundash_pc> hello
[7:38] <mcfundash_pc> Sakyl
[7:38] <mcfundash_pc> Pibot
[7:38] <Sakyl> mornin'
[7:38] <mcfundash_pc> I'm just failing at running quake3 on my pi
[7:39] <Sakyl> And I'm compiling since 2 days gentoo in a virtual machine, so I can compile a kernel for my pi...
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[7:39] <mcfundash_pi> this is my from my pi hooray
[7:40] <mcfundash_pc> cool i guess
[7:40] <mcfundash_pc> nacimmep
[7:40] <mcfundash_pc> what will you do to the world with your infinite power?
[7:40] <nacimmep> not help you
[7:40] <mcfundash_pi> what about me?
[7:41] <nacimmep> /ignore mcfundash_*
[7:41] <DaQatz> Sakyl: I compiled webkit on pi pi in gentoo. Took 4 days
[7:41] <mcfundash_pc> yea what about him
[7:41] <mcfundash_pc> lol cool
[7:41] <mcfundash_pc> I actually gtg
[7:41] <three14> Sakyl, Gentoo was the distro that finally made me switch to Linux <3 Back in the 1.3 days
[7:42] <three14> always a place in my heart for portage
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[7:43] <chbg> With Debian Squeeze, my USB mouse & keyboard become inoperable once I run X. This just recently started happening. How do I start troubleshooting this?
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[7:44] <three14> chbg, try swapping their ports? e.g. kb to mouse, mouse to kb
[7:44] <chbg> Did that. No cigar.
[7:44] <three14> how about unplugging one or the other
[7:44] <three14> i'm sure you did that too, though
[7:44] <chbg> Not yet. Let me try.
[7:45] <Sakyl> The compiling on the pi wouldn't bother me, but at my desktop PC. It just takes a whole lot power and I nearly can't do anything with it :D
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[7:46] <three14> Sakyl, I remember compiling KDE 3.x from a stage3 base install on a celeron 366 and 192mb ram.
[7:46] <three14> dear god it took ages
[7:46] <Helldesk> days?
[7:46] <three14> days
[7:46] <chbg> three14: Unplugging one or the other didn't work.
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[7:47] <three14> chbg, hmm, if you kill X, do they work again?
[7:48] <chbg> I can't do a damn thing once LDXE has been booted.
[7:49] <three14> well, my next question was going to be asking you what lsusb said.
[7:49] <three14> can you ssh in?
[7:49] <chbg> I have no tried that yet, actually. Let me try.
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[7:51] <three14> wb, tech2077
[7:52] <tech2077> hi
[7:52] <tech2077> serial on the pi is AMC0 right
[7:53] <three14> ACM0, iirc
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[7:53] <three14> at least, for my arduino it was
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[8:01] <three14> i think i am starting to like weechat
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[8:03] <DaQatz> Weechat is good
[8:03] <DaQatz> It compares well with irssi
[8:05] <three14> ls
[8:05] <three14> damn
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[8:25] <tech2077> bootc, do all your branches have your i2c and spi drivers
[8:25] <tech2077> because your deb package is for armel, and i'm using an armhf system right now, so i have to compile it myself
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[8:27] <steveccc> can anyone tell me if there is a good reason not to partition the pi to one big partition - normally I would keep the data separate so the os could be rebuilt but if the card is reflashed then whether the data is separate or not makes no difference - it will be wiped?
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[8:28] <tech2077> steveccc, the bootloader blob needs a fat partition with the files in it in order to boot the rootfs
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[8:28] <Dysk> That aside, there's no real compelling reason for a separate /home/
[8:28] <Dysk> Unless it's because it's not on the SD card
[8:28] <steveccc> tech2077: yes I know that I was talking about having just partition 2 for data rather than having 2 for root, 3 for swap and 4 for data
[8:29] <karla> raspberry pi doesn't have text mode, only a framebuffer, so scrolling is pretty slow on 1650x1050 right?
[8:29] <tech2077> no good reason on the pi
[8:29] <steveccc> tech2077: thanks - thought not - I know on servers best to have a sep var and data segmented off etc - thanks
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[8:30] <tech2077> on desktops, it means that you can reimage the rootfs while retaining custom programs and home data
[8:30] <Habbie> on a pi it could mean the same
[8:30] <Habbie> except right now the reimaging tools aren't up for it
[8:31] <tech2077> and for a further extent, with enough ram, your tmp all in ram
[8:31] <Habbie> tmp should be tmpfs on any machine really
[8:31] <tech2077> i wouldn't say all
[8:32] <tech2077> low memory computers shouldn't
[8:32] <Habbie> why not? just add more swap
[8:32] <tech2077> swap is slow
[8:32] <Habbie> swap is about as slow as putting /tmp on disk
[8:32] <Habbie> except the kernel knows all the tricks
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[8:33] <tech2077> if your using swap for regular ram usage, then it's a performance loss IMO
[8:33] * karl is now known as Guest69034
[8:33] <Habbie> it shouldn't be
[8:33] <tech2077> i'll try it out eventually to compare
[8:34] <autopatch> are there any minimal distros that run from a ramdisk?
[8:34] <Helldesk> you're
[8:34] <steveccc> tech2077: i dont suppose you use no-ip do you?
[8:34] <tech2077> i do
[8:34] <Habbie> autopatch, i know openelec does; i bet kernel_rescuei.img or whatsitcalled does it too
[8:34] <Habbie> autopatch, but, why?
[8:35] <autopatch> I was thinking about SD card longevity
[8:35] <DaQatz> Wow checked my logs, when I joined this channel there were 4 people in it regularly. Counting myself...
[8:35] <DaQatz> What happened?
[8:35] <steveccc> tech2077: i am assuming the i do was for me - where did you get the packages - built from the download or via a repo?
[8:35] <autopatch> Habbie, If I only want to do a simple task that doesn't need a full distro
[8:35] <Habbie> autopatch, you would be just as well off by making sure tmp and /var/log are on a ramdisk
[8:36] <Xark> DaQatz: Hehe, it has gotten a bit larger hasn't it. :)
[8:36] <Guest69034> did anyone reply to my question about console scrolling speed? I'm using raspbian.
[8:36] <autopatch> habbie, thanks - that's a good point
[8:36] <DaQatz> !channel #raspbian
[8:36] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspbian - Hard float Debian chat room.
[8:36] <tech2077> tech2077, it's on my dd-wrt router
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[8:38] <steveccc> tech2077: oh sorry I thought you meant you had installed the packages on your pi - my router has dyndns but i didnt want to pay ideally so thought no-ip sounded like a good solution
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[8:40] <Xark> Guest69034: About scrolling speed? Pi could scroll blindingly fast, if it used its hardware fully. Currently it looks like it is using generic software scrolling. Also, since the render resolution can be different than the monitor resolution (hardware scaling), I am not sure a larger monitor will allocate more "pixels" or not...
[8:42] <Guest69034> thx xark
[8:43] <steveccc> dont suppose anyone has any good instructions on setting up x11vnc server do they?
[8:44] <Dysk> 9
[8:44] <Habbie> steveccc, just find a generic debian howto for it
[8:44] <Xark> Guest69034: NP. I have mostly been running full screen opengl apps remotely using Pi via ssh or serial, so I may not be the "expert" on the console. However, I did notice "non hardware scrolling" when I used it a bit. :)
[8:44] <Habbie> steveccc, always important to remember that 99% of questions are not pi-specific
[8:45] <steveccc> habbie: thanks - must admit its easy to forget that
[8:46] <steveccc> final question from me - I have always been taught to give a machine a swap disk of double the amount of ram but on the pi 128mb is recommended for 256mb ram - is there a reason for this?
[8:46] <Habbie> who recommends that?
[8:46] <Habbie> last time linus spoke out on the subject he said 'triple the ram', by the way
[8:46] <steveccc> habbie: seen it in a few places
[8:47] <Habbie> but the reality is that it depends on what you are doing
[8:47] <steveccc> so what do you guys have set for your swap partitions?
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[8:47] <DaQatz> steveccc: I'm using 2 gigs swap on my pi
[8:47] <Habbie> i think i destroyed mine when i resized the debian root
[8:47] <Habbie> but i haven't done a lot with it anyway
[8:47] <Habbie> i would probably go for something like 512mb - wouldn't want to take more out of my 4gb cards
[8:47] <steveccc> daqatz: have you tried it with lower swap - do you think it makes a difference?
[8:48] <steveccc> well have a 32gb card but didnt want to use too much data space for no reason but did want the best performance
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[8:48] <DaQatz> Havn't tried it lower, it rarely uses more then 100 megs swap. That's when it's compiling.
[8:48] <DaQatz> I'm also running on an external hard drive.
[8:48] <DaQatz> Not off SD
[8:48] <steveccc> oh ok
[8:49] <autopatch> DaQatz, how much does the external HD help?
[8:49] <DaQatz> autopatch: Faster then the SD
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[8:49] <DaQatz> I ahve not benchmarked it.
[8:49] <autopatch> DaQatz, do you just DD the image over?
[8:49] <DaQatz> autopatch: No have to boot off SD.
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[8:49] <DaQatz> Just my target is harddrive not second partition.
[8:50] <DaQatz> IE /dev/sda1
[8:50] <autopatch> got it
[8:50] <autopatch> im guessing the BIOS only can boot from SD then
[8:50] <DaQatz> Yeah
[8:50] <tech2077> woo, 4 minutes before i have spi and i2c on my raspberry pi
[8:50] <DaQatz> Once the kernel is in control. You can do what you want.
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[8:51] <autopatch> tech2077, what are you going to use your SPI and i2c for? any project in mind?
[8:51] <tech2077> nothing at the moment, maybe work on piping bash out to a lcd
[8:51] <rvalles> Guest69034: all we have for graphics at the moment is a framebuffer.
[8:51] <tech2077> faking a tty
[8:52] <autopatch> that would be cool
[8:52] <rvalles> Guest69034: meaning the framebuffer is the "screen", is mapped in memory and the CPU has to draw everything there.
[8:53] <rvalles> right now getting other stuff to work reliably and fast (usb, sd) is more important
[8:53] <rvalles> Guest69034: but the idea is there'll be proper 2d and 3d acceleration for X using the GPU, which is pretty powerful relative to the cpu.
[8:54] <bfdc> rvalles: and who exactly is going to give us 2d/3d acceleration for x
[8:54] <Habbie> of course, anyone is free to work on acceleration ;)
[8:54] <Guest69034> thx rvalles
[8:54] <rvalles> bfdc: some blob from broadcom at first, later a proper reverse-engineered driver? Or perhaps I'm too optimistic.
[8:55] <Habbie> i do think it really sucks that we rely on some firmware blob
[8:55] <rvalles> bfdc: I'd say reversing is likely considering how popular the pi is and which what sort of people.
[8:55] <bfdc> rvalles: That's the thing, nobody knows, broadcom haven't said anything about promising blobs
[8:55] <DaQatz> Lets fix the basic drivers before we start reverse engineering.
[8:55] * Xark notes OpenGL is already zippy (but not the best API for a framebuffer or X driver).
[8:55] <DaQatz> DMA, USB, SD
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[8:55] <Habbie> DaQatz, different people can work on different things :)
[8:55] <DaQatz> Maybe even GASP audio
[8:55] <bfdc> Xark: the pi can't do opengl
[8:56] <Habbie> Xark, openGL where? x11? fb?
[8:56] <tech2077> anyone have experience using make-kpkg with cross-compile
[8:56] <rvalles> Habbie: lol, x11.
[8:56] <Habbie> bfdc, opengl es is opengl too ;)
[8:56] <rvalles> Habbie: x11 and fb are the same thing at the moment ;P
[8:56] <Habbie> rvalles, i thought so, but i had to check
[8:56] <Xark> bfdc: I have been happily spinning cubes at nice framerates, what do you mean?
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[8:57] <rvalles> right now I'd be happy if the 24bit framebuffer got fixed
[8:57] * Xark suggests for those who haven't, look in /opt/vc/src/hello_pi for a simple OpenGL demo (runs great w/o X or from ssh).
[8:58] <rvalles> let's leave accel for later.
[8:58] <Xark> rvalles: What is broken?
[8:58] <Habbie> Xark, that ssh tip is great - i'm about to permanently hook up a screen to the pi but i don't feel like having another keyboard
[8:59] <Dysk> The pi framebuffer is 16bpp, isn't it?
[8:59] <shirro> Dysk: by default, yes
[8:59] <Dysk> Has anyone got it to actually work at a higher bitdepth?
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[9:00] <Xark> Dysk: You mean in X? OpenGL is already 24 bit AFAIK.
[9:02] <Dysk> No, I mean the framebuffer console...
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[9:03] <Xark> Dysk: Hmm, I could see wanting 24bpp in X, but why do you want that for framebuffer console (mostly "text" mode)?
[9:03] <Dysk> Because I want to run things in it that aren't pure text?
[9:04] <Dysk> I basically want to avoid having to use X as far as I possibly can
[9:04] <Xark> Habbie: Yeah, it is nice. I can use my nice keyboard and monitors, then when I run, I see the opengl image pop up on the "TV" monitor. :)
[9:04] <Xark> Dysk: OK, but for graphics you want OpenGL, so why do you want framebuffer even slower? :)
[9:05] <Xark> More colors for ls? :)
[9:05] <Dysk> I don't necessarily want OpenGL for graphics
[9:05] <Guest69034> i don't know any framebuffer apps that don't use x. please example?
[9:05] <Dysk> Not everything I want to use necessarily supports it, either.
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> 'morning peeps.
[9:06] <Xark> Dysk: So you want slow, but colorful graphics using the CPU to draw pixels? OpenGL isn't just for 3D you know...
[9:06] * gordonDrogon reads back the last page...
[9:07] <Dysk> Xark, not everything I want to use necessarily supports opengl.
[9:07] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, the old double RAM for swap went out of the window years ago..
[9:07] <tech2077> why does when i run oldconfig, it forces me to go through menuconfig
[9:07] <Xark> Dysk: Give me an example. fbcons type stuff?
[9:08] <steveccc> gordondrogon: i wondered when it would as the memory has increased massively over the last few years
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[9:08] <Xark> Dysk: SDL is fastest with OpenGL AFAIK and it is what most things use for graphics on Linux.
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, I now run with a small swapfile - 64MB or 128MB on the Pi. No need for more than that.
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> Xark, Dysk I'm using SDL with no OpenGL - Theres no acelleration on the Pi with it, but it's adequate.
[9:09] <Xark> gordonDrogon: I gave it a GB (USB HDD), so far doing compiles and OpenGL (no X), it has only wanted to use ~500K.
[9:10] <Xark> gordonDrogon: So it uses OpenGL just to setup the screen then uses CPU for rendering?
[9:10] <Dysk> Pretty sure the version of ScummVM I was using didn't have functioning OpenGL.
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> Xark, that'll be about it's limit unless you're doing really big stuff. I managed to get it to a few meg when building (smallish) debian packages.
[9:10] <Dysk> Can't recall if it ostensibly had it, but it certainly didn't have it functional.
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> so I was building without running up X...
[9:11] <Xark> Dysk: I believe that runs on SDL, so X, OpenGL, framebuffer is all abstracted away.
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[9:11] <tetsu> any good snes emulators for raspberry pi yet?
[9:11] <tetsu> snes9x and zsnes dont have debian packages, though there is virtualboy
[9:12] <Xark> Dysk: Pretty sure it will run "best" on Pi using OpenGL API (regardless if they app uses OpenGL - as gordonDrogon says, SDL can use it).
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[9:12] <gordonDrogon> SDL works OK on the bare framebuffer - but that's all you get - just memory poked by the ARM,
[9:12] <Dysk> Xark, pretty sure it was entirely non-functional doing that
[9:12] <gordonDrogon> I think (but could be wrong!) that you need to venture into OpenGL ES land to get acelleration, but it's really an area I'm a bit dim on.
[9:13] <Dysk> As opposed to functional but with occasional weird colour issues
[9:13] <Xark> Dysk: No fundamental problem doing that (and as I mention, it is up to SDL, not SCUMM etc.).
[9:13] <gordonDrogon> the one thing I found was that the framebuffer is 16bpp by default, so using 32bpp with SDL was very very slow.
[9:14] <Dysk> Xark, 'fundamental' or no, what you are suggesting will not work for me in all circumstances
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[9:14] <gordonDrogon> I'm just using SDL as all I need to do is draw pixels & sprites.
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[9:15] <gordonDrogon> (in BASIC :)
[9:15] <Xark> Dysk: Well, I don't know what issue you had, but it doesn't sound to me like you *want* 24bpp console, you want 24bpp SDL (which IMO should be using OpenGL back-end as I believe it normally does on Linux for good performance).
[9:16] <Dysk> Except that the OpenGL backend is broken on the particular app I want to use
[9:16] <Dysk> So I have to use another backend instead.
[9:16] <lastebil> I'm not sure the 24bpp SDL opengl backend works yet on the pi; as I'm not sure there is an OGLES SDL port yet.
[9:16] <lastebil> it should happen.
[9:16] <lastebil> but right now, I think SDL is mainly framebuffer; which is very, very slow.
[9:16] <Xark> Dysk: Well, it is not up to the app. :) It sounds like an SDL bug.
[9:16] <lastebil> (especially compared to openGLes rendering on the pi)
[9:16] <Dysk> Great.
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[9:16] <gordonDrogon> it's only slow when you run it in anything other than 16bpp.
[9:17] <Dysk> Long story short is still that opengl doesn't work, so it would be nice if I could get decent bitdepth in the alternatives
[9:17] <gordonDrogon> however it's only as fast as the ARM cam poke memory.
[9:17] <lastebil> gordonDrogon: which is why you use the oglES interface and see speed.
[9:17] <lastebil> thus, slow.
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[9:17] <Xark> Dysk: But why waste time on an inferior solution when it just needs a bit of lovin' to work optimally?
[9:18] <gordonDrogon> lastebil, sure - but I only want to poke pixels to the screen - and to be frank, I really can not be bothered writing pages of code just to initialsi the system when 3 lines of code works for SDL.
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[9:18] <lastebil> gordonDrogon: which is why we need that SDL-oglES bit.
[9:18] <Dysk> Xark, because I want to?
[9:18] <Xark> lastebil: Yes, I can't believe somebody isn't working on it.
[9:18] <Dysk> Xark, let me attack the things I want to attack, eh?
[9:18] <lastebil> then kids can write SDL / pygame / etc, and learn LATER about the underlying stuff if they want to.
[9:18] <gordonDrogon> lastebil, maybe one day...
[9:18] <lastebil> Xark: I am, sort of. Unfortunately I'm more SDL oriented, and less oglES oriented.
[9:19] <gordonDrogon> but BASIC is BASIC ...
[9:19] <lastebil> I ... have to learn oglES first, in other words.
[9:19] <Xark> Dysk: Hey, go for it. I am just trying to understand your reasoning. It sounds like the thing to do is a small amount of work to get SDL working.
[9:19] <Dysk> I have not managed to do that. I HAVE managed to get framebuffer working.
[9:19] <lastebil> but yes. we're in the early stages of stuff, and, well, some stuff has to be undertaken first.
[9:20] <Dysk> So it's still a case of something that works, that I can do, vs. something that you're telling me might theoretically work, with some unknown amount of effort
[9:20] <lastebil> (btw, I'm not planning on using X, I'm planning on using oglES direct. X isn't needed.)
[9:20] <lastebil> if someone wants to use X and then the SDL part on top, talking direct to oglES, that's fine, that works too. but X isn't _needed.
[9:20] <lastebil> _
[9:20] <lastebil> and now, more work things (: And hopefully this weekend more oglES.
[9:20] <gordonDrogon> I liked SDL as it works under X and natively on the fb.
[9:22] <lastebil> yes. and, also, on other things. like Amiga, and I noted a nintendo DS port the other day, and various other bits.
[9:22] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yes, it works everywhere (pretty much).
[9:22] * Xark has a few contributions in SDL
[9:22] <lastebil> it just needs some underlying attention to be sure the upper stuff works quickly.
[9:22] <gordonDrogon> graphics under *nix is very very new to me - literally in the past 6 months ...
[9:23] <gordonDrogon> most of my graphics has been on older micros on newer embedded systems, so sort of used to poking pixels :)
[9:23] <gordonDrogon> so I found it quite bewildering the choices and ways to go grapics in unix land - but when I found SDL, I was back in my element :)
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[9:24] <gordonDrogon> as a result, I could work on my project (BASIC interpreter) and not really wory about the graphics.
[9:24] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yep.
[9:24] <gordonDrogon> the irony is that I used to work for a company making an early GPU :)
[9:24] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Sure, that is why it took off. I believe Sam (main developer and former Loki and Blizzard dev) is currently re-writing it to be dual license (so it can be used on iPhone games for $$$ etc.).
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[9:25] <gordonDrogon> Xark, yup - I've yet ro re-compile my basic for Mac and Win, but it doesn't look too hard.
[9:26] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yeah, the SDL part ports nicely. Main issue is fiddly compiler differences IME.
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[9:28] <gordonDrogon> when I get time, I'll see if I can do a Win port. It's a bit of a personal project - didn't really have the Pi in mind when I started it in December, but it runs well on the Pi.
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[9:31] <gordonDrogon> right. quick shower time now.
[9:33] <tech2077> yay, make-kpkg cross-compile seems to be working
[9:33] <tech2077> i2c and spi and raspbian soon to come
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[9:33] <Habbie> raspbian has the kernel in a .deb? neat!
[9:34] <tech2077> no, you still have to move the image to boot
[9:35] <tech2077> but this at least installs all the modules
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[9:57] <bootc> tech2077: more or less, yes - you'll be wanting the rpi-3.2.19 branch though
[9:58] <tech2077> i just compiled and packaged i :D
[9:58] <tech2077> for armhf
[9:58] <tech2077> it*
[9:58] <bootc> the kernel you build will be identical to that in the armel .deb as well - the kernel itself doesn't change for armhf
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[9:58] <tech2077> but i can't find the spi and i2c dev drivers
[9:59] <bootc> did you use the same .config as me?
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[9:59] <bootc> if so they are {i2c,spi}-bcm2708
[10:00] <bootc> (as modules)
[10:00] <tech2077> just found them
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[10:01] <gordonDrogon> Hm. may need to get the spi drivers going soon.
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[10:03] <tech2077> i'm getting an unknown symbol error
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[10:05] <bootc> tech2077: what symbol? you sure you built the modules at the same time as the kernel?
[10:06] <tech2077> yes
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[10:07] <Vostok> stuk = s?teiluturvakeskus
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[10:11] <tech2077> bootc, does your rpi-3.2.19 branch include your userspace spi and i2c drivers
[10:12] <Guest69034> i can view pngs on my pi without x installed. just run fbi
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[10:13] <mcfundash_pi> hrllo
[10:13] <mcfundash_pi> hello i mean
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[10:13] <mcfundash_pi> anyone here?
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[10:13] <ThisWasTypedOnAP> lol
[10:14] <tech2077> hmm
[10:14] * ThisWasTypedOnAP is now known as irc_from_my_pi
[10:14] <irc_from_my_pi> yay another human being!
[10:14] <tech2077> it appears i forgot to enable spi and i2c userspace
[10:15] <irc_from_my_pi> so im currently running at 1.1Ghz
[10:15] <irc_from_my_pi> stable
[10:15] <irc_from_my_pi> I think
[10:15] <frankivo> are you trying to fry eggs?
[10:15] <irc_from_my_pi> I need to do a good sress test
[10:15] <tech2077> it won't heat up much
[10:15] <tech2077> just get warmer
[10:15] <irc_from_my_pi> and I have a fan running power offthe GPIO
[10:15] <tech2077> this thing will either get warm, or die
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[10:16] <irc_from_my_pi> anyone know any python scrips for prime numbers or something that would stress the CPU and GPU?
[10:16] <Guest69034> google stress test
[10:16] <irc_from_my_pi> doesn't have to be python, but python is easy to run and modify the code too
[10:16] <irc_from_my_pi> compile is what I mean by run sorry
[10:17] <irc_from_my_pi> not really that easy
[10:17] <irc_from_my_pi> I'll try searching the forums
[10:17] <irc_from_my_pi> using w3m in terminal lol
[10:17] <irc_from_my_pi> brb
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[10:18] <frankivo> apt-get install screen
[10:18] <frankivo> :P
[10:18] <tech2077> ...
[10:18] <tech2077> he left
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[10:21] <irc_from_my_pi> hello
[10:21] <irc_from_my_pi> back
[10:22] <irc_from_my_pi> didn't find anything of value :(
[10:22] <frankivo> irc_from_my_pi: you know you have more than one terminal, right? :P
[10:23] <irc_from_my_pi> no I don't
[10:23] <irc_from_my_pi> how?
[10:23] <frankivo> try ctrl+alt+f2
[10:23] <irc_from_my_pi> woah
[10:23] <irc_from_my_pi> didn't know Icould do that
[10:23] <irc_from_my_pi> thanks
[10:24] <irc_from_my_pi> I feel stupid now
[10:24] <ironzorg> aptitude install tmux
[10:24] <irc_from_my_pi> is it a stress test?
[10:24] <irc_from_my_pi> ironzorg: what is tmux
[10:24] <ironzorg> it's a terminal multiplexer
[10:25] <irc_from_my_pi> well the ctrl+alt+f# works fine
[10:25] <irc_from_my_pi> so anyways
[10:25] <irc_from_my_pi> is there a way to copy/paste between terminals?
[10:25] <frankivo> irc_from_my_pi: you can leave a screen open
[10:25] <frankivo> so irc from anywhere
[10:25] <frankivo> in same session :)
[10:26] <tech2077> stress tests are generally hardware specific as they are designed efficiently
[10:26] <tech2077> you could try cross-compiling mprime, IIRC it's open sourced
[10:26] <irc_from_my_pi> frankivo: I don't understand?
[10:26] <irc_from_my_pi> I'm using ircii right now
[10:27] <frankivo> if you combine that with tmux
[10:27] <frankivo> you dont have to logout of irc
[10:27] <frankivo> after you reconnect with ssh, you can rejoin your ircII
[10:27] <irc_from_my_pi> anyways my pi (which I'm typing from) is running at 1.11Ghz
[10:27] <irc_from_my_pi> I am happy about this
[10:27] <frankivo> :)
[10:27] <irc_from_my_pi> I am proud of myself :D
[10:27] <frankivo> BogoMIPS : 697.95
[10:27] <ironzorg> irc_from_my_pi: is it running a xorg server as well ?
[10:28] <irc_from_my_pi> also GPU is running at 460
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[10:28] <reider59> Don`t know if this is suitable, it's Funkload for stress testing in Python.......http://pypi.python.org/pypi/funkload
[10:28] <irc_from_my_pi> I can startx but I like the plain terminal environment too
[10:28] <Xark> irc_from_my_pi: Perhaps try a timedemo from Quake3? That should stress the system nicely (and you can brag about your Raspbery Pi Quake3 FPS if you survive the timedemo). :)
[10:28] <irc_from_my_pi> I was using screensavers to stress it but I'm not sure if that really works
[10:29] <ironzorg> x11perf ?
[10:29] <irc_from_my_pi> I know people are using quake but I can't seem to get it to compile, I give up on quake until a precompiled version comes out
[10:29] <Xark> irc_from_my_pi: Probably an OK CPU stress (since X is all CPU currently), but not best for real RPi stress test since most of the chip is GPU.
[10:29] * Meatballs|Away is now known as Meatballs
[10:30] <tech2077> play a 720p movie with subtitles
[10:30] <reider59> Check out that program that sends signals out into space or does unit checking for leukemia research, they may still be on the go
[10:30] <tech2077> since xbmc appears to be using cpu for subtitle rendering
[10:30] <irc_from_my_pi> well the glaxy screensaver was running pretty fine
[10:30] <irc_from_my_pi> which must use the GPU i think
[10:30] <tech2077> nope
[10:30] <tech2077> doesn't
[10:30] <irc_from_my_pi> hmm
[10:30] <irc_from_my_pi> what about the fiber lights?
[10:30] <tech2077> only xbmc and omxplayer use gpu right now
[10:30] <reider59> You give up a percentage or all of your processing time
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[10:31] <irc_from_my_pi> hold on, lemmer go into x
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[10:31] <reider59> run it for an hour, a week, a month or whatever you choose
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[10:31] <Xark> irc_from_my_pi: Not yet. The demos in /opt/vs/ use the GPU.
[10:31] <Xark> Sorry, "/opt/vc"
[10:33] <reider59> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
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[10:33] <reider59> seti, that`s the one
[10:33] <irc_from_my_pi> ok
[10:33] <irc_from_my_pi> I'm in X now
[10:33] <irc_from_my_pi> on the terminal emulator
[10:34] <irc_from_my_pi> ok so what were we saying again?
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[10:34] <irc_from_my_pi> I forgot
[10:34] <irc_from_my_pi> It was about stressing the pi
[10:34] <irc_from_my_pi> oh yea
[10:34] <irc_from_my_pi> where do I get omxplayer?
[10:35] <irc_from_my_pi> So I can play some 720p and stress this little thing
[10:35] <irc_from_my_pi> hello?
[10:35] <frankivo> google?
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[10:36] <jardiamj> http://seyrsnys.myzen.co.uk/rpi/omxplayer_0.0.1-arm.deb
[10:36] <irc_from_my_pi> well I would rather someone tell me alink as using w3m is very very hard and midory or whatever its called doesn't work at all
[10:36] <irc_from_my_pi> thanks jardiamj
[10:36] <jardiamj> No problem..
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[10:37] <irc_from_my_pi> opening socket...
[10:38] <irc_from_my_pi> installing hooray!
[10:38] <irc_from_my_pi> uh...errors...dundunDOOONNNN
[10:38] <irc_from_my_pi> what do I do?
[10:38] <irc_from_my_pi> Installing package...
[10:38] <irc_from_my_pi> [sudo] password for raspbian:
[10:38] <irc_from_my_pi> dpkg: error processing /home/raspbian/.w3m/w3mtmp2023-0.deb (--install):
[10:38] <irc_from_my_pi> package architecture (armel) does not match system (armhf)
[10:38] <irc_from_my_pi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:38] <irc_from_my_pi> /home/raspbian/.w3m/w3mtmp2023-0.deb
[10:38] <irc_from_my_pi>
[10:38] <irc_from_my_pi> Done. Press <return> to continue:
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[10:39] <jardiamj> apt-get -f install
[10:39] <frankivo> package architecture (armel) does not match system (armhf)
[10:39] <frankivo> that seems important :P
[10:39] <jardiamj> that will resolve missing dependencies
[10:39] <irc_from_my_pi> you forgot sudo
[10:39] <irc_from_my_pi> lol
[10:39] <irc_from_my_pi> running now
[10:39] <jardiamj> yes I did..
[10:39] <frankivo> :')
[10:39] <jardiamj> haha
[10:40] <irc_from_my_pi> k
[10:40] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian@pisces:~$ sudo apt-get -f install
[10:40] <irc_from_my_pi> Reading package lists... Done
[10:40] <irc_from_my_pi> Building dependency tree
[10:40] <irc_from_my_pi> Reading state information... Done
[10:40] <irc_from_my_pi> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 73 not upgraded.
[10:40] <reider59> I`m not keen on that Midori but did find it more rapid than Chrome on Debian Squeeze. But contrast that with Debian Wheezy which all seems faster and smoother than Squeeze, both Midori and Chrome seemed about the same rather fast response time.
[10:40] <irc_from_my_pi> not sure if it made any difference
[10:40] <jardiamj> why?
[10:40] <reider59> I hope Wheezy is released this weekend, but somehow doubt it
[10:41] <frankivo> Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l
[10:41] <frankivo> I am on Wheezy :P
[10:42] <irc_from_my_pi> reider59: chrome was no faster than midori but it was far more stable as midori kept crashing on me, in raspbian chrome is dead and midori doesn't even seem to want to start so I'm using w3m (terminal text browser) atm
[10:42] <irc_from_my_pi> im retrying OMXplaaayer
[10:42] <irc_from_my_pi> wait
[10:43] <irc_from_my_pi> same errors
[10:43] <irc_from_my_pi> but this line
[10:43] <reider59> On the contray I found Midori faster than Chrome in Debian Squeeze and by an appreciable enough amount to notice it.
[10:43] <reider59> *contrary
[10:43] <irc_from_my_pi> its wrong architecture, not the same ARM type
[10:43] <irc_from_my_pi> dpkg: error processing /home/raspbian/.w3m/w3mtmp2061-0.deb (--install):
[10:43] <irc_from_my_pi> package architecture (armel) does not match system (armhf)
[10:43] <irc_from_my_pi> package architecture (armel) does not match system (armhf)
[10:43] <frankivo> so you got the wrong deb-file :P
[10:43] <reider59> But their are so many things that can affect the speed like ISP, amount of people on th enet etc
[10:43] <irc_from_my_pi> so anyone have the correct one?
[10:44] <irc_from_my_pi> uh...
[10:44] <irc_from_my_pi> hmm
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[10:45] <irc_from_my_pi> hello?
[10:45] <irc_from_my_pi> ;_;
[10:45] <frankivo> https://github.com/downloads/skgsergio/omxplayer/omxplayer_0.0.1-amdhf.deb
[10:45] <frankivo> try this one
[10:45] <irc_from_my_pi> I bet you it will work
[10:45] <irc_from_my_pi> notice the hf
[10:46] <frankivo> well, thats what I searched for
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[10:47] <irc_from_my_pi> hmm
[10:47] <irc_from_my_pi> didn't seem to work really, no install option
[10:47] <irc_from_my_pi> lemme check the folder
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[10:48] <gordonDrogon> do I read that chrome works on the Pi?
[10:48] <irc_from_my_pi> so what do I do with the .deb file
[10:48] <irc_from_my_pi> on debain squeeze
[10:49] <irc_from_my_pi> not on raspbian
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> irc_from_my_pi, dpkg -i filename.deb
[10:49] <irc_from_my_pi> which is what im typign from at this moment
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> as root, so sudo ...
[10:49] <tech2077> wtf is coming out of my pi
[10:49] <reider59> It worked in both Deb Squeeze and Wheezy Alpha for me
[10:49] <irc_from_my_pi> what tech2077???
[10:49] <tech2077> i pipe 0 to my spidev-0.0
[10:49] <tech2077> and i get a weird output on my MOSI
[10:50] <tech2077> anyone with spi-dev experience willing to explain :/
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> so how do I get armhf version of chrome? Boot up midori first?
[10:51] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian@pisces:~$ sudo dpkg -i omxplayer_0.0.1-armhf.deb
[10:51] <irc_from_my_pi> dpkg: error processing omxplayer_0.0.1-armhf.deb (--install):
[10:51] <irc_from_my_pi> cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[10:51] <irc_from_my_pi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:51] <irc_from_my_pi> omxplayer_0.0.1-armhf.deb
[10:51] <irc_from_my_pi> :(
[10:52] <frankivo> are you even in the right directory?
[10:52] <irc_from_my_pi> I tried this tooL|:
[10:52] <reider59> http://elinux.org/RPi_Chromium
[10:52] <irc_from_my_pi> I tried this too:
[10:52] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian@pisces:~$ sudo dpkg -i /home/raspbian/omxplayer_0.0.1-armhf.deb
[10:52] <irc_from_my_pi> dpkg: error processing /home/raspbian/omxplayer_0.0.1-armhf.deb (--install):
[10:52] <irc_from_my_pi> cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[10:52] <irc_from_my_pi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:52] <irc_from_my_pi> /home/raspbian/omxplayer_0.0.1-armhf.deb
[10:52] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian@pisces:~$
[10:52] <reider59> Just check out that link, better than me trying to recall it and type it in
[10:53] <reider59> I cannot remember most things from 5 mins ago with my meds
[10:53] <irc_from_my_pi> gordonDrogon: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
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[10:53] <irc_from_my_pi> only works on squeeze though, not raspbian
[10:53] <reider59> sounds about right
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> Ah, there's a package. didn't realise that.
[10:53] <frankivo> Im curious how he managed to OC his PI :p
[10:53] <tech2077> i assume that this must mean it needs more than just piping in your data
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> oh. not raspbian. oh well. bother.
[10:53] <irc_from_my_pi> me?
[10:54] <irc_from_my_pi> I'm at 1.1Ghz atm
[10:54] <irc_from_my_pi> my pi
[10:54] <irc_from_my_pi> which these letters are typed and sent to this irc channel from
[10:54] <irc_from_my_pi> as my name implys
[10:55] <irc_from_my_pi> this is my current specs
[10:55] <irc_from_my_pi> GNU nano 2.2.6 File: /boot/config.txt
[10:55] <irc_from_my_pi> disable_overscan=1
[10:55] <irc_from_my_pi> arm_freq=1110
[10:55] <irc_from_my_pi> gpu_freq=460
[10:55] <irc_from_my_pi> sdram_freq=485
[10:55] <irc_from_my_pi> over_voltage=8
[10:56] <irc_from_my_pi> I will not go above 8 overvoltage though
[10:56] <irc_from_my_pi> until I have the money for another Pi
[10:56] <irc_from_my_pi> and Pis are more available
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[10:57] <Dysk> That's 50% again out of both the GPU and CPU freqs...
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[10:57] <irc_from_my_pi> 50% what?
[10:57] <irc_from_my_pi> what do you mean?
[10:57] <irc_from_my_pi> ...
[10:57] <irc_from_my_pi> hello?
[10:58] <irc_from_my_pi> Dysk
[10:58] <drazyltoo> I think he means 50% increase over standard
[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> irc_from_my_pi, don't expect instant answers, people are busy.
[10:58] <irc_from_my_pi> gpu is more than that though
[10:58] <Dysk> 700 x 1.5 = 1050 ~= 1110
[10:58] <irc_from_my_pi> I understand
[10:58] <Dysk> Oh yeah, GPU is 250 default, not 300.
[10:59] <irc_from_my_pi> 50Mhz is actually a pretty big difference
[10:59] <irc_from_my_pi> and my GPU is at 460
[10:59] <irc_from_my_pi> lol
[11:00] <tech2077> ah, need to do more complicated things to get spidev to work
[11:00] <irc_from_my_pi> So I still hav not been able to install omxplayer
[11:00] <frankivo> irc_from_my_pi: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1414
[11:00] <tech2077> but all i needed to do was writeup a simple util
[11:00] <frankivo> read up on that first
[11:00] <irc_from_my_pi> k, loadin it up
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> irc_from_my_pi, you don't need to use nano to see a file, just cat /boot/config.txt
[11:01] <irc_from_my_pi> thansk
[11:01] <irc_from_my_pi> *thanks
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[11:02] <gordonDrogon> if it's a big file, then use the less command (or the older more command, but less is more)
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[11:02] <gordonDrogon> and associated with them are the head and tail commands.
[11:02] <frankivo> gordonDrogon: lol
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> to show the first N or last N lines.
[11:02] <irc_from_my_pi> I am good enough with this to use it but being efficient is much better! :)
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[11:03] <gordonDrogon> frankivo, the command like is full of stuff like that - programmers with a sense of humour - e.g. nano is the free version of the pico editor
[11:03] <irc_from_my_pi> so nobody has the link to omxplayer still?
[11:03] <irc_from_my_pi> have you tried
[11:03] <frankivo> gordonDrogon: I know :P
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> pico came with pine and Pine Is Not Elm (Elm is ELectronic Mailer)
[11:04] <tech2077> irc_from_my_pi, build it from the git
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> sudo aptitude moo -v
[11:04] <Dysk> irc_from_my_pi, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5543
[11:04] <reider59> I have a rather interesting thread here on the fight to get Chromium into Raspbian if anyone wants to read and/or track the thread......http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=7517
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> git is such an unfortunate choice of names in the UK :)
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[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian@pisces:~$ sudo aptitude moo -v
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> There really are no Easter Eggs in this program.
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian@pisces:~$ sudo aptitude moo -vv
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> Didn't I already tell you that there are no Easter Eggs in this program?
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian@pisces:~$ sudo aptitude moo -vvv
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> Stop it!
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian@pisces:~$ sudo aptitude moo -vvvv
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> Okay, okay, if I give you an Easter Egg, will you go away?
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian@pisces:~$ sudo aptitude moo -vvvvv
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> All right, you win.
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> /----\
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> -------/ \
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> / \
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> / |
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> -----------------/ --------\
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> ----------------------------------------------
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian@pisces:~$ sudo aptitude moo -vvvvvv
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> What is it? It's an elephant being eaten by a snake, of course.
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian@pisces:~$
[11:04] <ShiftPlusOne> irc_from_my_pi, don't do that
[11:04] <bfdb> umm
[11:04] <irc_from_my_pi> sorry ok
[11:05] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[11:05] <irc_from_my_pi> I actually gtg
[11:05] <irc_from_my_pi> bye
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[11:05] <nidO> (nano was originally called TIP)
[11:05] <bfdb> nid0: just the tip, I promise.
[11:06] <frankivo> :D
[11:06] <frankivo> so, that was interesting
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[11:06] <frankivo> I guess he didnt quite read the bash intro yet :+
[11:06] <tech2077> yay, a The Little Prince reference
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[11:10] <Milos> What's everyone's view on the OK light?
[11:11] <Milos> Mine is off all the time, and blinks the tinest amount every second.
[11:11] <Milos> But you need to look really close to see it blink/
[11:11] <Milos> When I used the debian image, it was always on apart from when there was activity.
[11:11] <Milos> Which seems more normal...
[11:11] <reider59> I`m too far to one side of mine to notice the lights
[11:11] <bfdb> Milos: Well it definitely doesn't mean okay, it just does whatever the kernel tells it to do
[11:11] <Milos> I've been using my own compilation of the kernel ever since.
[11:11] <Milos> So that might be why.
[11:12] <Milos> But I don't know how to adjust that effect?
[11:12] <Dagger2> I can't see the lights, because they blinded me the last time I looked at them
[11:12] <Milos> Hahah
[11:12] <bfdb> Milos: So, I think the distro you're using is using the led to show idleness
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[11:12] <neofutur> same here ok light sometimes blinks
[11:12] <nice1> first irssi chat from my new raspi! kapow!
[11:12] <Xark> Milos: Mine is the same way. Super fast tiny flicker, mostly off.
[11:12] <neofutur> probably disk access ?
[11:12] <reider59> I only use them when I need to see if the RasPi has a fault
[11:12] <Milos> bfdb, oh, good. And the thing should be relabeled to say ACT
[11:12] <Milos> Not OK.
[11:12] <Milos> ACTivity.
[11:12] <nice1> took a big of work to get it workig with my 16GB 30MB/s SDHC
[11:12] <Milos> Like every other machine on this planet
[11:12] <nice1> but its working ;)
[11:13] <neofutur> try hdparm -t /dev/mmcblk0
[11:13] <Milos> I just installed a 95MB/s Sandisk super extreme amazing pro pro super duper card
[11:13] <Milos> but obviously I don't get those speeds
[11:13] <neofutur> and see your ok light ;)
[11:13] <bfdb> Milos: No, what I'm saying is that it's not set in stone, it can either be idle or whatever depending on what the distro is
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[11:13] <Milos> bfdb, yeah I know, but it makes more sense to call it ACT and have the default (as it seems to be) show activity.
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[11:14] <bfdb> Milos: lots of things are mislabled on that board
[11:14] <Milos> :/
[11:14] <bfdb> the ethernet is mislabled iirc
[11:14] <Milos> Xark, ah good to know.
[11:15] <Milos> reider59, me too, except I have to really look closely now (since it's not on by default)
[11:16] <Xark> Milos: Apparently it "inverted" on purpose with rpi_upgrade -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7714&p=94135
[11:16] <blkhawk> so the 2nd raspbery got here
[11:16] <Milos> omfg
[11:16] <blkhawk> 18 days
[11:16] <Milos> he INITIALLY wanted it to show activity
[11:17] <blkhawk> runtime
[11:17] <Milos> but still called it OK?
[11:17] <Milos> jeez
[11:17] <blkhawk> from uk to germany
[11:18] <Xark> Milos: I was wondering, because I remember seeing it on when I first got my pi (but I looked before I answered you and went "huh?"). :)
[11:18] <Milos> Xark, :D
[11:18] <Milos> I'm glad I have an answer, thank you for this.
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[11:20] <Xark> Milos: Well, with it mostly off it will run for 4.7 more minutes for the people using RPi on batteries. :)
[11:20] <Milos> loooool
[11:21] <Milos> I use it on battery :)
[11:21] <Milos> 36 hours
[11:22] <Xark> Milos: Right on. I got 4:25 min with my tiny USB batteries (2000 mAh x 2). :)
[11:22] <Milos> wait
[11:22] <Milos> 4 hours 25 min?
[11:22] <Xark> Yeah...sorry. :)
[11:22] <Milos> awesome :D
[11:22] <Milos> I have 16Ah, it's quite chunky
[11:22] <mjr> that's pretty good
[11:22] <Milos> it's been posted/repeated here a few times
[11:22] <Milos> here it is: www.wut.co.nz/images/pi-gps.jpg
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[11:23] <Xark> Nice. Here is what I have http://www.amazon.com/Sony-CP-A2LS-Portable-Charger-Battery/dp/B005XJWR5O/ref=pd_sxp_grid_i_0_0
[11:24] <Milos> ooo
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[11:24] <Xark> Smaller than the Pi (with charger detached).
[11:24] <Milos> oh snap!
[11:25] <Milos> is that with charger included?
[11:25] <Milos> dang that is small
[11:25] <Milos> I want it now LOL
[11:25] <Xark> Yep, nice folding plug too.
[11:25] <Xark> I am pretty happy with it (but hey, 36 hours its sounding amazing). :)
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[11:26] <Milos> yeah, though it's about 400g
[11:27] <RoyK> hrmf - any idea how far from release it is now? I thought it was just a few weeks off, a month back...
[11:27] <Milos> how far what
[11:27] <Milos> it was 'released' in like march
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[11:27] <Xark> Umm, yeah, if you are carrying it much, this is much more pocket sized (cigarette pack sized). It is a nice design (much better than some similar products). It has a led bar graph battery level indicator too.
[11:28] <Milos> Oh lovely, mine has a button to push to get charge status, BUT as you can imagine I wish I could do something like cat /proc/battery/level
[11:28] <Milos> haha
[11:28] <Xark> Milos: Hehe, I guess it depends how handy you are with a soldering iron (but it is such a tidy case...). :)
[11:29] <Milos> :D
[11:29] <trevorman> guess you could make something that interfaces to an infolithium pack. that shouldn't be too bad?
[11:29] <RoyK> Milos: far from "release" as in "I can hit the order link"
[11:29] <Milos> 3 months waiting time
[11:30] <RoyK> there's no order link...
[11:30] <Milos> yes there is
[11:30] <trevorman> farnell do
[11:30] <Milos> you need to be registered to see it
[11:31] <RoyK> erm - where is the login button?
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[11:31] <RoyK> I've been registered for a while
[11:32] <trevorman> what site you trying to order from?
[11:33] <trevorman> you can backorder it from http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/displayProduct.jsp?sku=2081185 *shrug*
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[11:33] <RoyK> well, I just started out from http://www.raspberrypi.org/, but the "where to buy" thing there is just text, not a link
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[11:34] <trevorman> RoyK: eh?
[11:34] <trevorman> it should link to farnell and RS
[11:35] <trevorman> yeah. there are two links in the FAQ. it doesn't directly link to the RPi though. you need to select country and then search.
[11:36] <RoyK> it'd be rather nice if the text on the frontpage was a link too ;)
[11:36] <nidO> they are links
[11:36] <RoyK> not on the frontpage
[11:36] <trevorman> the logos are
[11:36] <RoyK> oh, below that
[11:36] <nidO> the top right of the front page has a "Where to buy" heading with logos for element14 and RS, and those logos are links
[11:36] <RoyK> :D
[11:36] <RoyK> sorry
[11:37] <stephan48> can rpi-update be used with the debian kernel?
[11:37] <stephan48> debian image*
[11:37] <RoyK> rs-online says "We are expecting to receive our next delivery very shortly." <-- still 3 months or so delivery?
[11:37] <trevorman> not too bad of a mistake though. everybody is trained to skip over stuff like that as they're generally ads
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[11:38] <nidO> RoyK: both farnell and rs are producing/shipping like thousands a day now, but theres still a backlog to clear
[11:38] <Draylor> yeah, works fine stephan48
[11:38] <trevorman> on farnell you preorder. on RS you register interest to get into a queue.
[11:39] <RoyK> also, RS says "The Raspberry Pi model B board is supplied as the board only, and comes without memory, power supply, keyboard, case or cables." <-- without memory? I thought that was soldered on
[11:39] <trevorman> when you hit the head of the RS queue then you get a special order code sent to you in an email
[11:39] <trevorman> RoyK: yeah ignore that
[11:39] <nidO> memoy = an sd card "hard disk"
[11:39] <Draylor> lol. memory is soldered on
[11:39] <Draylor> i assume its means a memory card
[11:39] <RoyK> thanks :)
[11:39] <stephan48> good luck soldering the ram ;)
[11:39] <Draylor> better than soldered, its mounted on the processor
[11:39] <trevorman> RoyK: you can preorder from farnell and register interest on RS at the same time
[11:40] <stephan48> jup
[11:40] <Draylor> but hey ho, same difference at teh level most folks care for :)
[11:40] <trevorman> there is no obligation to actually buy from RS
[11:40] <stephan48> and nothing that prevents you buying from both
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[11:41] <trevorman> doubt it'll be 3 months but it'll be more than 3 weeks at least since that seems to be the current time it takes from getting the RS order code and it appearing on your door
[11:41] <tech2077> YAY!!
[11:41] <tech2077> spi works
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[11:42] <stephan48> spi?
[11:42] <reider59> I hope it is 3 weeks, a guy I gave my code to was told within 7 weeks. He said if it went to 7 weeks he'd be on holiday then
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[11:44] <Gadgetoid> reider59 when was that?
[11:44] <trevorman> I think they're a bit pessimistic on the dates but it'll depend on when the next shipment arrives I guess
[11:44] <reider59> a wek ago maybe and at that time the code was about 9 days old
[11:45] <reider59> *week
[11:45] <Gadgetoid> Seems to be going up, was 6 weeks when the guy I net a code for ordered??? he's been waiting two or three thus far
[11:45] <reider59> I was just pleased it was going to someone who wasn`t out to sell it
[11:46] <Gadgetoid> reider59 true, there are a lot on ebay!
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[11:47] <trevorman> the whole selling codes thing is just wrong
[11:47] <Gadgetoid> Ah, he ordered on may 30th, so it's been two weeks and change
[11:47] <rm> I'd sell my code
[11:47] <rm> I can't order anyway
[11:48] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: I wouldn't call it wrong, but it's probably irritating for those further down the queue
[11:48] <rm> hmm, or would donate it to someone known in the FOSS circles
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[11:49] <reider59> hey gordon, you may not recall it but that starter electronics kit we were discussing yesterday.... did yours get delivered by the postman or was it a PO van? I have to leave here dinner time so just wondering.
[11:49] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: ehh. didn't cost them anything except maybe 5 seconds of their time. really goes against the spirit of it IMO.
[11:50] <Gadgetoid> reider59: you're going to blow through the limitations of that starter kit pretty sharpish, you might want to start ordering buckets of components :D
[11:50] <reider59> oh hang on, mine was next day delivery so that could make a difference
[11:50] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: yeah, definitely against the whole spirit of the foundation- selling codes and donating the money would be good though :D
[11:51] <trevorman> yeah
[11:51] <reider59> I know, thought that. Apart from the male/female jumper leads Maplins has some stock and I have loads of IC boards upstairs I can rape and pillage
[11:51] <reider59> I gave my code for free
[11:52] <Gadgetoid> Maplins got me started, but they don't seem to have anything beyond the basics??? which I found weir
[11:52] <reider59> time to hang some washing out, the RPi hasn`t mastered that yet
[11:53] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: maplin used to be good about 15+ years ago
[11:53] <Gadgetoid> I feel like buying a ton of components and setting up my own hobby electronics shop that lets users build project bundles
[11:53] <trevorman> now they're just a slightly more specialised version of a generic gadget shop
[11:53] <Gadgetoid> So you can just add all the components for a project to your basket in one click
[11:53] <nidO> you missed out hideously expensive
[11:53] <trevorman> well. "good" as they really weren't that great even back then but still better than now
[11:54] <trevorman> just buy from rapid if you want components
[11:54] <reider59> scratch the washing, it's now raining, was sunny and a clear sky when I started it
[11:54] <Gadgetoid> Maplin is tragic, I struggle to comprehend how they still survive
[11:54] <bfdb> Gadgetoid: they still have their niche
[11:54] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: Yeah I've got a list of stuff I want from rapid, might go through with that although they don't seem to take paypal
[11:55] <trevorman> I'm always horrified when going in and overhearing the advice the staff give
[11:55] <bfdb> it's like sony stores, always completely vacant, I can't work out why sony just doesn't scrap them
[11:55] <Gadgetoid> Mostly DIL/SIL resistor packages and a few ICs, my next main challenge will be hooking up a graphics LCD of some sort to the Pi and Arduino
[11:55] <trevorman> bfdb: advertising I guess
[11:55] <reider59> I don`t think Maplins will last but I still like to browse. Some deals can be had here and there. I also wonder how long PC world will last, the prices there are terrible. They have improved but not by enough to make a difference.
[11:55] <trevorman> its somewhere you can go and see it all setup and ready
[11:55] <Gadgetoid> Ugh: "All you have to do is make a confirmed S3 sale between 15th - 22nd June"
[11:56] <reider59> I got my Robot Arm from Maplins, after comparing with the net
[11:56] <bfdb> Gadget-Mac: dsi?
[11:56] <trevorman> reider59: lol pc world is more like dixons now. more than half the pc world near me is AV gear
[11:56] <bfdb> Gadgetoid: dsi
[11:56] <bfdb> ?
[11:56] <Gadgetoid> reider59: got to agree with you on the browsing, the dying highstreet is a terrible thing in that respect??? I like to dive into a store when I have no ideas
[11:57] <Gadgetoid> bfdb: It's an affiliate competition to win a Galaxy S3, and to enter I've got to sell a Galaxy S3??? bah humbug
[11:57] <reider59> The net had the remote control version, I wanted USB so it was no match.
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[11:57] <bfdb> trevorman: dixons just got rebranded
[11:58] <reider59> I used to love browsing in TandyShack but that's long gone
[11:58] <trevorman> into what?
[11:58] <bfdb> currys digital
[11:58] <trevorman> ah
[11:58] <trevorman> why though.... people know what dixons is
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[11:58] <bfdb> meh
[11:59] <reider59> on the net they only have a small bunch of selected products and were out of stock on the male/femal jumper leads I wanted, Maplins had never heard of them lol
[11:59] <frankivo> bfdb: what did they rebrand it to?
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[11:59] <bfdb> they still have dixons in ireland apparently
[11:59] <bfdb> frankivo: currys digital
[11:59] <frankivo> ah
[11:59] <frankivo> got rebranded to something else here
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[11:59] <bfdb> frankivo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currys_Digital
[12:00] <trevorman> reider59: the maplin staff near me have on occasion failed to know how to use a multimeter. both probes on one side of the battery when I went in once.
[12:00] <frankivo> bfdb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixons_(Netherlands)
[12:00] <frankivo> :P
[12:00] <reider59> Our High Street Dixons closed down, but there is one in Liverpool-some 20 miles away. Meanwhile, Currys and PC World combined to one building instead of the two side by side they previously had.
[12:01] <bfdb> frankivo: the dutch arm of dixons was sold to something else before the main company decided to rebran
[12:01] <frankivo> yeah
[12:01] <frankivo> the split some years ago, appearently
[12:01] <frankivo> they*
[12:01] <bfdb> Maxeda
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[12:02] <trevorman> hmm dixons rebranded years ago. shows how often I go into one!
[12:02] <reider59> If I want to go to PC Word/Currys I have to get a bus into town and then another to the retail park. I used to walk there in about 40 minutes but since my spine op went wrong that's impossible most days. If I do make it I`m really ill for about a week and a half afterwards.
[12:02] <bfdb> lol they call their tech service "knowhow"
[12:03] <trevorman> pcworld should rename their tech service to oooitllcostyoumate
[12:03] <bfdb> pc world and currys are owned by the same people
[12:03] <trevorman> DSG?
[12:03] <bfdb> yeah
[12:03] <reider59> If I set my mind and really want something there and then I can push myself though. Got a wheelchair but it's got hard solid tyres and takes ages to get anywhere.
[12:04] <reider59> I`m sure they own Dixons as well as PC World and Currys
[12:04] <megaproxy> srs where can i get a server rack..
[12:04] <megaproxy> for cheapies
[12:04] <bfdb> reider59: you should win the lottery and then get one of these robotic chairs
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[12:04] <bfdb> megaproxy: ebay
[12:04] <megaproxy> only 42u jobbys
[12:05] <megaproxy> or not deep enough
[12:05] <trevorman> only 42u? how tall do you want it??!
[12:05] <megaproxy> i dont want 42u atall
[12:05] <trevorman> ohh
[12:05] <trevorman> lol
[12:05] <megaproxy> i ment only as in, thats all there is
[12:05] <megaproxy> haha
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[12:05] <frankivo> lol
[12:06] <trevorman> occasionally see racks going cheap but they're all generally pick up only
[12:06] <trevorman> nobody is gonna ship it to you and it'd cost a fortune anyway
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[12:06] <reider59> I would but I`ve seen one of those electric buggies with a hard case shell over it and window wipers. Locked by a key, can be used on the road and on the pavement. That would tempt me. When I go to town I use a charity electric buggy for as long as I want, that only costs ??17 a year for a membership and no other fees. But mostly I try not to use it if I can.
[12:06] <megaproxy> if its in berkshire/london im game.
[12:07] <bfdb> megaproxy: ebuyer or scan
[12:07] <reider59> I`d build in the Pi and some other stuff to one lol
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[12:08] <reider59> Set the buggy on auto drive and play with the Pi, next minute I notice I`m in the fast lane of the motorway. oops, buggy software
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[12:09] <megaproxy> hmm
[12:09] <megaproxy> id prefer a used cab
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[12:30] <tech2077> now i can sleep
[12:30] <tech2077> i got i2c and spi working perfectly on raspberry pi
[12:30] <tech2077> now i just want a shift register
[12:31] <tech2077> so i can actually SEE something physical from the spi port
[12:31] <tech2077> i'm reading temps off of i2c
[12:32] <frankivo> cool
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[12:33] <tech2077> just seeing the waveform on my scope isn't enough
[12:33] <tech2077> time to build a shift register
[12:35] <megaproxy> http://www.ebuyer.com/387370-transcend-32gb-class-4-secure-digital-high-capacity-card-ts32gsdhc4
[12:35] <megaproxy> ?11
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[12:39] <neofutur> hehe welcome here SomeoneWeird
[12:40] <neofutur> already have your pi or waiting for it ?
[12:40] <reider59> Good offer. I have to cap my spending now, got alot lately and the electric bill will be due soon
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[12:42] <SomeoneWeird> neofutur, no $ to buy one :(
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[12:49] <LordThumper> Is pi available for pre-order?
[12:49] <neofutur> yes, see http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f45-Ordering.html
[12:50] <nidO> no, but its available to back-order and has been since 29th of feb
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[12:51] <neofutur> "REGISTER YOUR
[12:51] <neofutur> INTEREST!
[12:51] <neofutur> oups
[12:51] <n1x0n> ;-P
[12:51] <neofutur> isnt "register your interest" the same meaning as "pre order" ?
[12:52] <Kripton> no
[12:52] <nidO> well no, cos theyre already making and selling them
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[12:52] <nidO> but you cant buy one right now because they have none in stock because theres a queue, aka a back-order
[12:52] <neofutur> so this is called back order
[12:52] * neofutur not english speaking native
[12:52] <neofutur> thanks for the detail
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[13:00] <reider59> A cool humanitarian use of a RPi......http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/12/raspberry_pi_drone/ The RPi flying a drone plane
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[13:04] <friggle> some people using my wheezy test image are reporting issues on apt-get upgrade (whichI can't reproduce). If you have a chance, please take a look http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8071&p=100844#p100844
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[13:07] <nidO> I've had no problems with my wheezy image
[13:08] <reider59> No problems of any nature so far and reinstalling it later today, hoping it gets released soon
[13:08] <nidO> i'm using the one from the 10th, is that still the current image he's having problems with?
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[13:15] <neofutur> 12:13:51 up 1 day, 3:42, 6 users, load average: 6.25, 5.82, 4.29
[13:15] <neofutur> loded pi !
[13:15] <neofutur> loaded
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[13:28] <gordonDrogon> wow. nearly 12:30 already. where did my morning go!
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[13:29] <friggle> nidO: yes. I made a firmware update that gets installed when you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[13:30] <friggle> reider59: that's the plan :) front page beta is next (though really, it will be pretty much final and you shouldn't need to re-image after that)
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[13:31] <gordonDrogon> what can I do with an ATmega and some LEDs for a quick demo... fancy flashing I guess. seems a bit dull.
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[13:32] <andatche> gordonDrogon: count some input and display the output in binary?
[13:32] <andatche> that's my usual demo/test
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> andatche, actually, that's a good idea. I have some input buttons to play with too.
[13:32] <reider59> Any idea when the beta will be ready to download?
[13:33] <reider59> kit has just this second arrived Gordon, time for a quick look before I go out
[13:33] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Put together an 8x8 array :D
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[13:33] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I'm limited by only having a single row of red leds ...
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[13:33] <andatche> gordonDrogon: cool, can be good for playing with/demonstrating interrupts too, if you're explaining to to someone who's new to microcontrollers
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> and I have to use the arduino IDE which I dislike, however ...
[13:34] <friggle> reider59: ideally I'd hand over an image to put on the distribution network this evening. Though today is rapidly disappearing and I need to get some non-pi work done first.
[13:34] <friggle> reider59: expect to see it this weekend
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> andatche, hoping this will attract existing arduino users, so I just need entry-level proof of concept to show them how to use the board and connect the hook-up wires, etc.
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[13:34] <andatche> gordonDrogon: cool :)
[13:35] <reider59> Woo hoo, thankyou, my prayers are answered. It feels really good to use too. Much faster than Debian Squeeze
[13:35] <andatche> how are you interfacing the arduino with the pi? serial/uart?
[13:35] <andatche> ah, nm, usb I guess :)
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[13:35] <gordonDrogon> andatche, yes - I have a direct serial connection with the 3.3v signals and am using the GPIO to program it via the ISP port.
[13:35] <andatche> ooh, cool
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> the ATmega runs at 3.3v.
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[13:36] <andatche> I've done the same with a few PICs so far
[13:36] <friggle> anyone cut their own adafruit box? http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:24461
[13:36] <friggle> or indeed, bought and received one
[13:36] <friggle> if so, thoughts?
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> the down-side is that it would need a custom bootloader to run at 12MHz to get the baud setting right, so I've opted to just use the ISP port
[13:36] <reider59> Everything is there Gordon, inc the male/female jumper wires. Many thanks for pointing this kit out and your help.
[13:37] <andatche> would like to play with some AVRs but I don't have an arduino/programmer of any sort - might buy some and try the GPIO method
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> reider59, oh, you got the kit from skpang?
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> andatche, start with a bog-standard arduino uno and program via the USB/serial.
[13:37] <andatche> more familiar with PICs, but everyone seems to be into the AVRs these days ;)
[13:37] <reider59> yes, maybe just in time to build it up before I go into town for my exam ;-)
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> I did some stuff on a PIC a couple of years ago, but I much prefer the architecture of the avrs - I suspect it has less legacy of the PICs though.
[13:38] <andatche> there's lots of libraries/code around for the AVRs too, and the C compiler it a lot more standards compliant that the meeeellion different PIC compilers
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> I used SDCC on the PICs. It was good enough for my needs (a real-time dive computer)
[13:38] <andatche> they seem pretty similar on price too, which is nice
[13:38] <andatche> yeah, I tend to use a mix of SDCC and the C8X compiler from MCP
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> Yea. Atmega 328's can be had for about ?2 in quantities.
[13:39] <andatche> guess I should cough up and buy an uno board :)
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> there are clones which are cheaper...
[13:40] <andatche> could just build one tbh
[13:40] <andatche> need to buy some AVRs to play with then, yet another farnell order this week :)
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[13:40] <gordonDrogon> Ah, looks like the Leo is now avalable.
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[13:41] <andatche> been working on a wireless sensor network this week, driven by some PIC 16f690s and some cheap FM wireless transceivers I found on farnell
[13:41] <umami> instead of an Uno you could get a Bare Bones Board. If you just need AVR functions it works the same as a dumvelliore
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/arduino-leonardo-with-headers-p-1106.html
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[13:41] <ReggieUK> what's a dumvelliore?
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> I'm trying to fine some work locally programming microcontrollers, but there's noting poping up on the radar...
[13:41] <ReggieUK> do you mean duemilanove?
[13:42] <umami> thank you :0
[13:42] <ReggieUK> or a diecimila?
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> demilllllmumble 2009.
[13:42] <umami> duemilanove
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[13:42] <gordonDrogon> Just do what Mr. Gadgetoid has done and build your own on a big breadboard :)
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[13:42] <ReggieUK> just get an atmega chip off fleabay
[13:42] <umami> http://shop.moderndevice.com/products/bbb-kit "The Bare Bones Board (BBB) is an Arduino-compatible board (Freeduino) that implements the functionality of the Arduino Duemilanove/Diecimila, on a smaller printed circuit board, by removing the USB communications chip to another board."
[13:43] <ReggieUK> and a cheap ftdi board
[13:43] <umami> requires an usb -> FTDI cable
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> great if you're in the US ...
[13:43] <andatche> think I'll just buy some AVRs and build an ICP
[13:43] <ReggieUK> for an tdi cable?
[13:43] <ReggieUK> ftdi are uk based :D
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> The ICP is 4 wires + ground if everything is at 3.3v.
[13:43] <umami> I didn't know that
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> I've gotten some patches going for avrdude to use the Pi's GPIO directly to program them that way.
[13:44] <andatche> are they online anywhere? :)
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> so it needs 4 GPIO pins, but I've defaulted it to the SPI pins.
[13:44] <andatche> github?
[13:44] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, now you're starting to get impressive! ;)
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> I don't/won't use github - I have my own hosting company...
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> however ...
[13:45] <andatche> fair enough :) are they in a git repository that's accessible anywhere? ;)
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> well - the source for avrdude & the patches are freely online.
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> I've put my packaged binarys avrdudes there.
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[13:46] <gordonDrogon> you need to install it before arduino on the Pi because I don't yet know how to repace packages yet. complete newbie to debian packaging.
[13:47] <Gadgetoid> +1 for breadboard arduino
[13:47] <Gadgetoid> You learn more
[13:47] <ReggieUK> + another 1 for breadboard arduino
[13:47] <Gadgetoid> I want to try an ATMega644 though, that could be interesting
[13:47] <andatche> gordonDrogon: that's great, thanks, will take a look this eve :)
[13:47] <ReggieUK> http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-Your-Own-Arduino/
[13:47] <Gadgetoid> But 4K RAM should be good for holding an LCD buffer??? 3k to spare mmm
[13:47] <andatche> gordonDrogon: might have a go at something similar for PIC ICP
[13:48] <Veryevil> Arduinos suck. PICs for life
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[13:48] <ReggieUK> pics must suck
[13:48] <ReggieUK> maplins sell them
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> I'm hoping the board I'm working on will ship with a 328p, but I don't know yet what it will ultimately contain.
[13:48] <ReggieUK> oh wait
[13:48] <ReggieUK> haven't tehy just started selling arduinos
[13:48] <ReggieUK> and
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> andatche, if I have time... and could get some paid work on PICs I might look at it... time is the issue right now...
[13:49] <ReggieUK> I heard a rumour from a maplin employee that they might be trying to get in on the PI love
[13:49] <Gadgetoid> Yup they sell Arduinos, albeit with probably the worse and most patchy jumble-sale assortment of stock you could imagine
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure someone was working on a PICduino type of thing?
[13:49] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Have you published any of your ATMega fiddling yet? :D
[13:49] <andatche> gordonDrogon: there are already several arduino type boards available for various PICs
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, sadly no - I'm more or less ready to go, but I need to wait on the others in the project to give it the green light.
[13:50] <andatche> MCP provide a "low pin count" board with the pickit ICP
[13:50] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: aww, I'm eagerly awaiting it ;)
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[13:51] <Veryevil> Great Dev Board http://www.schmalzhaus.com/UBW32/
[13:51] <andatche> heh, wish I was going to lemans this week :(
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[13:51] <andatche> 32-bit PICs??? madness
[13:52] <Veryevil> 32-bit pics are great. They even come in DIP packages now!
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> Ah, I've just had conformation that it will be a 328p... however the launch date has slipped maybe by 10 days.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> however maybe that gives me time to go a " Gadgetoid " and produce my own clone on a breadboard...
[13:53] <andatche> Veryevil: cool, never bought any, stuck with the midrange 8-bit kit mostly
[13:53] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Run it out of spec, you know you secretly want to! I'm considering running the ATMega 644 at 16Mz/3.3v
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> Yea, I know, but this is a little commercial project, so has to stick to the specs as much as possible.
[13:54] <Veryevil> andatche: like I said a great way to start using PIC32s is this board http://www.schmalzhaus.com/UBW32/
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> and 12MHz will be fine for little projects. the only issue was the serial bootloader, but now I've moved to using the ISP port, it's not an issue at all.
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> mug of tea time. brb.
[13:57] <andatche> Veryevil: ta, think I'll grab one of those, not really sure I have any need for anything >8-bit but will be fun to play with :)
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[13:59] <Veryevil> Yeah its really good. You could get some of the PIC32MX1xx/PIC32MX2xx series low end pics in DIP packages. I'm working on a project at the minute. Nothing like dual DMA controlled SPI and twin UARTS running at 40Mhz in DIP package with maybe three external components!
[14:00] <Veryevil> (Which was a FREE sample)
[14:00] <ReggieUK> tidy
[14:00] <Veryevil> Free Development IDE and FREE C Compiler
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[14:00] <ReggieUK> I should hope so
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[14:01] <ReggieUK> nothing worse than buying mcus and finding you need to sell a kidney to get an ide
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[14:01] <lastebil> this is bad, I read that as 'mucous'
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[14:01] <Veryevil> ReggieUK: True Dat! (I never really talk like that)
[14:01] <lastebil> I certainly hope that does not mean I am coming down with the flu.
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[14:02] <IT_Sean> Good morning
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[14:02] <ReggieUK> good morning
[14:02] <andatche> yeah, the CCS PIC compiler is awfully expensive
[14:02] <oldman> I want to install bbc iplayer onto my openelec xbmc system. I can't find the xbmc folder to put the addon into. Does anyone know where it is?
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[14:03] <lennard> /storage/xbmc
[14:03] <lennard> /storage/.xbmc
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[14:03] <lennard> even
[14:03] <Veryevil> Yeah but the PIC C32 compiler is free although now superseeded by XC32 which is also FREE
[14:04] <andatche> yeah, the (now) free compilers from MCP do the job
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[14:04] <andatche> I find them a bit nicer (hi-tech style C) than CCS too
[14:05] <andatche> one advantage the AVR really has though is standards compliant C compilers!
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[14:05] <oldman> lennard: Thankyou. I forgot the.
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> is the PIC32 just an arm core like the AVR stuff?
[14:07] <Kripton> gordonDrogon, there are also 32bit-AVRs that do not use the ARM-core
[14:07] <Veryevil> its a MIPS core
[14:08] <Veryevil> M4K core
[14:08] <Veryevil> http://www.mips.com/products/processor-cores/mips32-m4k/
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[14:09] <mjr> hmh, somehow I don't think "PIC" when I hear "MIPS"
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[14:09] <Veryevil> http://www.microchip.com/_images/32bitOverviewArchGraph.jpg
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:10] * gordonDrogon wonders where it will all end ...
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[14:10] <gordonDrogon> Interstingly a client of mine was using an embedded Linux has now moved to a Ti based chip and is using TI's own embeded real-time OS on their chips.
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> it seemed to save the hassles of trying to do the real-time stuff in Linux.
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[14:11] <Veryevil> Real-time is a pain in the ass on linux
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> I can see a case for a dual-provisioned system - low level real time control by something like AVR/PIC and higher level control by Pi/etc.
[14:11] <frankivo> RT is a pain the ass
[14:11] <frankivo> :P
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[14:12] <Veryevil> best way is use external micro for real-time and some embedded linux for heavy work
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> Veryevil, yup, yet people want to do balancing robots, CNC, etc. on the Pi without realising this. (or they whinge bitterly about it without realising that it's Linux)
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[14:13] <Veryevil> you could do some amazing things bare metal but not a cat in hell you could without 20+ years expierence lol
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> I was doing this 25+ years ago :) I built a little 6502 based board to do the actual control and it talked back to a BBC Micro which was doing the overall schedulling, graphical display, etc.
[14:13] <andatche> tbh, RT is hard anywhere/on anything
[14:13] <Veryevil> true
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> I was into factory automation/robotics at the time.
[14:13] <andatche> particularly when there are tens of layers of OS in the way
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> we actually ran Econet through the factory mock-up - and it worked perfectly!
[14:14] <Veryevil> Thats why I love PIC32 DMA. you just tell it what you want and it does it
[14:14] <ThantiK> so derp, found out my tint2 compile issue. It was that the pkgbuild didn't list build-devel as a dependency.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> Each station had a BBC B taking to the IO board and they all talked to each other via a shared file server
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> IT was pretty amazing for the time. Wish I had more photos of it now.
[14:15] <andatche> gordonDrogon: sounds cool :
[14:15] <Veryevil> agreed
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> I wrote all the Beeb stuff in BCPL as it supported coroutines too.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> fond memories!
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> and now I want to go back to that sort of programing work, but finding it hard to find any locally.
[14:16] <Veryevil> I started out with PIC assembler at 12 lol could churn out thousand line programs no problem
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> a bit fed-up with what I'm currently doing )-:
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> yea, as a teenager you were invincible!
[14:16] <Veryevil> Also had the god damn time back then!
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> I started at 15 on an Apple II (in 78 - as they'd just been invented)
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[14:17] <Veryevil> Work spoils all my fun!
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> Veryevil, try being self employed )-: this month has been spent chasing up 2 of my biggest customers for non-payment )-:
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[14:18] <Veryevil> what do you do when your working not admin-ing
[14:18] <IT_Sean> Do you have a collections agency you can send the case to?
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> my work? It's sort of running a small ISP, going customised hosting projects and a bit of VoIP. Also some contract syadmin.
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, we have the small claims court here. I'd use that before using a collections agency.
[14:20] <Veryevil> Given what you used to do that sounds horrible! :p
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[14:21] <gordonDrogon> It's one of those things you sort of wanter into.. I was progrmaming, doing control stuff, then working with some nice companies doing hardware device driver for custom hardware/supercomputers, then sysadmin, then I worked for what was a big ISP for 2.5 years, then tried to get back into programming at a games company (never again!) then I got offered IT managers jobs ...
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[14:21] <SocksG> Nothing wrong with being an IT Manager...
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> got made redundant ~11 years ago and went self employed.
[14:21] * andatche is a sysadmin/network engineer by trade
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> doing mostly it sysadmin contract, but the hosting stuff grew a little and ...
[14:21] <hermanhermitage> whats an IT manager do
[14:21] <hermanhermitage> ?
[14:22] <SocksG> Good question
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> hermanhermitage, paperwork )-:
[14:22] <andatche> not much, usually ;)
[14:22] <IT_Sean> manages IT, generally.
[14:22] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:22] <andatche> generally, they get in the way of any actual work being done
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> actually, at that point, it was a good job, I had a PFY working for me, the company was going well - 120 staff, etc.
[14:22] <hermanhermitage> whats IT? are pen and paper consider information tech?
[14:22] <Dysk> That's managers is general though, andatche
[14:22] <andatche> tru.dat
[14:22] <SocksG> At the moment, I'm trying to identify people who never use their door access privs, so that I can get the door access privs file small enough that the door access system will load it.
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[14:23] <Veryevil> they come up with reasons such as cost for not letting you update to the latest version of software!
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> then the company decided to go down the MS route and it all went wrong after that ;-)
[14:23] <hermanhermitage> (aaarg tell me there is a way to turn off hanging indent in irssi)
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[14:26] <snaipperi> hanging indent?
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> so now I'm facing pulling the plug on a company and I know that if I do, they'll likely go belly up and their staff will be out of a job.
[14:26] * gordonDrogon sighs.
[14:26] <hermanhermitage> what do they do?
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> web design.
[14:26] <andatche> gordonDrogon: chasing non-payers sucks :(
[14:27] <hermanhermitage> i've always wanted to get into the cheese making profession, i'd love to get sacked so i could live my dream.
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> I host & manage their servers and provide a sort of remote sysadmin service for them.
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> hosting alone is so cut-throat these days, you need to offer more if you want to keep it small scale.
[14:27] <hermanhermitage> ok, interesting
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> hermanhermitage, my hobby project is http://moorbakes.co.uk/ I often think of trying to make a go at that full-time!
[14:27] <hermanhermitage> if you did hosting but offered complimentary small cheeses do you think it would get better ROI?
[14:28] <andatche> hermanhermitage: hahaha
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> yea, I could offer cupcakes :)
[14:28] <hermanhermitage> wow that looks good
[14:29] <hermanhermitage> i'm too far away to try some
[14:30] <hermanhermitage> i was hoping to get sacked today, but they sacked the CTO instead
[14:30] <_Lucretia_> gordonDrogon: ahhh, fresh bread, can't beat that
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> yea, I made good sourdough!
[14:31] * _Lucretia_ has made his own bread too and pizza's :D
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough.jpg
[14:31] <hermanhermitage> do you do any bread products with olives?
[14:31] <_Lucretia_> hermanhermitage: why do you want to get sacked?
[14:31] <hermanhermitage> i like my olives
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> I've made foccaccia (however many c's are in it)
[14:32] * _Lucretia_ has never had sourdough, might make some some time
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> with olives in it.
[14:32] <hermanhermitage> great stuff!
[14:32] <_Lucretia_> those 2 brothers on telly made it look so easy, making the butter from cream and using the remaining liquid to make the sourdough
[14:32] <hermanhermitage> _Lucretia_ so i can start getting paid
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[14:33] <hermanhermitage> i seem to be stuck in a startup loop where i work but dont get paid
[14:33] <_Lucretia_> hermanhermitage: ok, you'll have to enlighten me, how does that work?
[14:33] <_Lucretia_> if I got sacked, I wouldn't be getting paid :/
[14:33] <nidO> I heard theres an alternative to getting fired, called quitting
[14:33] <hermanhermitage> cant let the team down
[14:34] <hermanhermitage> never give up! (like rexona)
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[14:34] <hermanhermitage> although i swear kimi raikkonen gives up before he starts half the races
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> _Lucretia_, of the baker brothers! Yea, I liked that show. It really is easy though :)
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> _Lucretia_, although that's not sourdough, it's soda bread.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> I've made that too :)
[14:34] <_Lucretia_> ah, will try that then too :D
[14:34] <hermanhermitage> hows sour dough work?
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[14:35] <_Lucretia_> no yeast added
[14:35] <hermanhermitage> ok
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> essentially it's wild years and a lacto bacteria the proper name I can never remember.
[14:35] <_Lucretia_> hermanhermitage: it's natural yeast from a starter
[14:35] <hermanhermitage> like lambic beer?
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> yup. my starter is now 10 months old.
[14:35] <hermanhermitage> just splash something ini it when no one is looking?
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> not me...
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> it gets flour & water added every time I use it.
[14:36] <hermanhermitage> do you need the right microclimate?
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> dunno. it just works. lives in my fridge.
[14:36] <hermanhermitage> great
[14:36] <_Lucretia_> gordonDrogon: I made some turbo cider but there was what looked like mould on the top, decanted into another steralised demijohn, got more, haven't actually touched the stuff, but I think it's yeast, can I use that as a starter? :D
[14:36] <hermanhermitage> dont let MS near it
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> I take it out in the moring, use it in the evening, feed it more flour & water, and put it back in the fridge the next morning when I bake the bread.
[14:36] <hermanhermitage> or it will stop "just working"
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: I find I tend to lose sourdough cultures every 3 months or so.
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> _Lucretia_, maybe, but I'd follow the baker brothers recipie - get a big jar, 100g flour, 100g water. mix *by hand*, repeat this for 5 days...
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> When I forget, and bake the whole thing.
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> that's more or less what I did.
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> I actually left my jar outside overnight when I started it...
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> I think there's too much science and not enough "just do it" in bread making.
[14:38] <hermanhermitage> same in IT i think
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> It's very hard to screw up.
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> I take 200g of my starter, add in 333g of flour (ie. 1/3 of a 1Kg bag!), 6g of salt,water, mix/knead 10 mins, rise 2 hours, knead, rise overnight, bake.
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> A breadmachine makes it so much easier and faster once you've got the recipie down.
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[14:39] <gordonDrogon> then I add 100g flour + 100g of water back into the starter and it keeps on going.
[14:39] <_Lucretia_> gordonDrogon: hokay
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[14:39] <SpeedEvil> However, it's probe to oopses that'd never occur with handmade.
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> For example - bread doesn't work so well if you leave out the water.
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> breadmakers are fine, but you need to be very accurate.
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
[14:39] <hermanhermitage> at a risk of pushing my own agenda, what sort of cheese do you prefer with sourdough?
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> Scales are mandatory
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> butter :)
[14:39] <hermanhermitage> hah
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> actually, we did scour Devon recently on a cheese hunt.
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> found a really strong cheddar for scone making and a strong but tasty cheddar for sandwidtches.
[14:40] <SpeedEvil> Woo! just got notice that my usage allowance has gone up to 120G
[14:40] <hermanhermitage> i had 3 months of hell in korea earlier this year, couldnt find any cheese.
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> I also like clotted cream on sourdought toast...
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> ah, no dairy over there.
[14:41] <_Lucretia_> hermanhermitage: how is the computer industry these days? I've been out of it for 7 years, thinking about coming back, dunno what's involved anymore :/
[14:41] <hermanhermitage> bit of a stand up row in the supermarket when i tried to return some "cheese"
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[14:41] <SpeedEvil> Plus - due to annoying reasons, I'm shopping only online once a month.
[14:41] <Matt> morning pi peeps
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> Which means that breadmaker bread works best
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> aftermorning, Matt
[14:41] <hermanhermitage> _Lucretia_: its ok, just need some gumboots to wade thru it all
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[14:41] <_Lucretia_> hermanhermitage: and why would you return cheese?
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> I don't think the town I live in would buy posh bread - well not enough to run a shop...
[14:42] <hermanhermitage> well i like my cheese to be made of cheese
[14:42] <hermanhermitage> im not sure if you guys have "kraft" "food" products over there
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[14:42] <hermanhermitage> this particular cheese made a kraft cheese stick look and smell like the worlds finest cheese
[14:43] <_Lucretia_> hermanhermitage: yup, in england, have kraft squares n the like
[14:43] <hermanhermitage> the problem with a computer called raspberrypi is that all i can think of is food
[14:43] <hermanhermitage> how i love raspberries
[14:43] <_Lucretia_> yup
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[14:45] <SpeedEvil> hermanhermitage: I have ~20Kg left in the freezer.
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> I am working on some Raspberry Pie recipies - suitable for complete newbs to cooking to more expeirences who can make their own pastry :)
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> they're not quite in season yet though..
[14:46] <hermanhermitage> i wanted to write a intro to rasppi called "raspberries all the way down"
[14:46] <andatche> raspberry pie for rapberry pi's :)
[14:46] <hermanhermitage> maybe it could be a book with the first half on programming nd the second half on cooking
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> hermanhermitage: One 500g pot of low-fat value yogurt from tesco, 500g of raspberries, 100g of sugar.
[14:46] <_Lucretia_> you lot seem to your yer cheeses, how to youkeep parmesan from going mouldy in the freezer? I've tried all sorts, only stuff not to is the pregrated in a bag I keep in there
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> hermanhermitage: Lovely sharp yogurt - which goes wonderfully with a little crumbled biscuit on top.
[14:46] <frankivo> thats quite some sugar :P
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> _Lucretia_: the freezer - not the fridge?
[14:47] <ReggieUK> permesan should be removed from teh face of the earth
[14:47] <_Lucretia_> SpeedEvil: yup, goes mouldy in the fridge
[14:47] <ReggieUK> parmesan even
[14:47] <IT_Sean> :o
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> _Lucretia_: Keep it in the freezer
[14:47] <_Lucretia_> SpeedEvil: that's what I'm saying in the freezer, i've had blocks go mouldy
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> Most hard cheeses freeze very well.
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> _Lucretia_: At -20C?
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[14:47] * IT_Sean loves a good hard, sharp cheese
[14:47] <_Lucretia_> no temp guage
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[14:48] <andatche> IT_Sean: ooh err! ;)
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> _Lucretia_: I mean - the actual freezer compartment of a properly operating freezer? And are you sure the mould wasn't there first?
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> frankivo: It's _much_ less sugar than normal yogurt.
[14:48] <_Lucretia_> no not there first
[14:49] <IT_Sean> andatche: hush you
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0140700784900264 contains a reference to mould growing at -5V
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> C
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> I'd first check the freezer is operating properly - under or equal to -18C
[14:51] <Veryevil> How did we go from Microcontrollers to bread to cheese?
[14:51] <hermanhermitage> i miss my cheeses
[14:51] <hermanhermitage> they have strict rules here
[14:51] <hermanhermitage> and salami, its hell
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[14:52] <hermanhermitage> i need to get back to europe
[14:52] <frankivo> :)
[14:52] <_Lucretia_> hermanhermitage: you in korea then?
[14:52] <hermanhermitage> no australia now
[14:52] <_Lucretia_> they have cheeses
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[14:52] <hermanhermitage> some but its still a legacy of pasturization here
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[14:53] <ratherDashing> dumb question, tightvnc will not listen to my .xinitrc or my update-alternatives --config x-window-manager. what the heck am i doing wrong. it wants to start up lxde no matter what i do
[14:53] <hermanhermitage> i used to hover about stockholm where i could get good cheeses and salami from all europe
[14:53] <_Lucretia_> so no brie?
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> freezers just slow things down, don't stop them totally.
[14:54] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Depends what it is.
[14:54] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: And what the temperature is. They essentially stop bacterial growth.
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[14:54] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, sure - but most domestic/commercial food freezers are at -18 or a few lower.
[14:55] <hermanhermitage> ratherDashing: "listen"?
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> I've got mine at ~-24 I think
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> probably just wasting energy keeping it that low...
[14:55] <ratherDashing> hermanhermitage: what do you mean?
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Pretty negligible.
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: If I turn on the 'boost' button, and leave it a couple of days, it goes to below -45C
[14:56] <frankivo> nice airco :P
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: -52C or so, extrapolating the rise time
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12678120 - interesting. fungal growth at -20C
[14:57] <Veryevil> Hey, does any one know where teh_orph and Hexxeh have gone? havent seen them on here in over a week?
[14:58] <hermanhermitage> off on a cheese making course i hope.
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> Veryevil, there is a #raspbian channel now ... possibly there?
[15:00] <tuxx> i wanted to build an rp kernel from scratch.. so i checked out the git repo
[15:00] <tuxx> but i cant seem to find the correct .config
[15:00] <tuxx> is it included in the repository?
[15:02] <andatche> there is an example in arch/arm/configs/bcmrpi_cutdown_defconfig
[15:02] <hermanhermitage> i wish andrew braybrook would write paradroid for the iphone
[15:02] <andatche> might want to copy the config from a running kernel though, which includes considerably more than that cutdown example
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> tuxx, you could get the .config from /proc/config.gz
[15:03] <_Lucretia_> tuxx: i will be doing the same soon
[15:03] <andatche> cat /proc/^
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[15:04] <tuxx> gordonDrogon: is that enabled in proc?
[15:04] <tuxx> gordonDrogon: what a waste on a 256mb ram system
[15:05] <Draylor> paradroid, damn
[15:05] <Draylor> its been years, thanks for wasting an hour of my weekend - need to dig out an emulator :D
[15:05] <andatche> tuxx: the ram usage is minimal
[15:05] <_Lucretia_> tuxx: actually, did you mean you intend to build a linux kernel from scratch or your own kernel?
[15:06] <tuxx> andatche: like 100kb probably
[15:06] <andatche> worth it for the convenience, imo
[15:06] <tuxx> andatche: hm actually less... since its compressed...
[15:06] <tuxx> andatche: actually i agree.
[15:07] <andatche> it's annoying that not all distribution maintainers enable it by default
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[15:07] <andatche> digging through packages to find kernel configs is :/
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[15:14] <gordonDrogon> tuxx, it's in /proc on the Pi - yes.
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> tuxx it's 10KB.
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[15:18] <gordonDrogon> ugh. no-wonder I thought my old camera was slower than normal - I'd it set to save in TIF format.
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> bother.
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[15:26] <ratherDashing> anyone try openbox + tint2, way faster than xfce or lxde
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[15:28] <syntax_erorr> Hi
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> Lo
[15:30] <bfdb> hey
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[15:53] <syntax_erorr> OK so I'm having some problems powering my pi. I was wondering if anyone here is knowledgeable in power supplies and might be able to tell me what is going on?
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[15:53] <nidO> friggle just an update, no problems with your firmware updater here - i've just run it through and its updated from 1.20120610-1 to 1.20120614-1 no problems
[15:54] <ironzorg> syntax_erorr: ??Don't ask to ask, ask??
[15:54] <syntax_erorr> Gotcha, its kinda long winded story...I"ll try to make it simple
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[15:55] <bfdb> syntax_erorr: 5V at >=700mA
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[15:57] <friggle> nidO: thanks for testing
[15:57] <syntax_erorr> At first I powered my pi with a ipad charger. I sometimes had keyboard problems. I measured the voltage at TP1 and 2. 4.6 volts. Not good, should be 4.8-5.25. Next I decided I was going to try and use an old PC power supply, as it was rated 5 volts 14 amps, should be plenty. Well the PC powersupply's voltage flys all over the place from 3.6 to 5 and will not even allow the pi to boot. Why would my PC power supply n
[15:57] <syntax_erorr> ot be supply a constant voltage ? I get the same results with 2 different PC power supplies.
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[15:58] <Habbie> syntax_erorr, are you sure your ipad charger is official?
[15:58] <syntax_erorr> no. It was "rated" at 5volts 2 amps
[15:58] <bfdb> syntax_erorr: you want a decent brand usb ac adaptor
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[15:58] <bfdb> not a random chinese one
[15:58] <Habbie> apple is a decent brand for adaptors, normally
[15:59] <Habbie> but many people buy knockoffs
[15:59] <syntax_erorr> I'm really confused about the PC powersupply though. I've tried 2. One that I absolutely know is good becuase it is powering my main rig
[15:59] <Habbie> i.e. random chinese ones that happen to be white
[15:59] <bfdb> Habbie: yes, an official ipad charger should work perfectly fine
[15:59] <Habbie> i use the hp touchpad charger usually
[15:59] <Habbie> and i've seen other Pi-users do that too
[15:59] <Habbie> works well
[15:59] <bfdb> syntax_erorr: the pi is much more sensitive to varying voltage than typical
[16:00] <syntax_erorr> That is what I have been using a touchpad charger
[16:00] <syntax_erorr> but I still fall to 4.6 volts on that
[16:00] <Habbie> syntax_erorr, i thought you said ipad
[16:00] <syntax_erorr> I had one of theose also
[16:00] <syntax_erorr> I retruned it
[16:00] <Habbie> can you tell us -exactly- what kinds of chargers from what manufacturers you tried?
[16:00] <syntax_erorr> yes
[16:00] <Habbie> shame i don't have my multimeter handy
[16:01] <bfdb> and compare them against the wiki page for verified peripherals
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[16:01] <a_> wtf
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[16:01] <aaa801> thats bette
[16:01] <bfdb> with the family?
[16:01] <Habbie> aaa801, language please
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[16:02] <syntax_erorr> HP touch pad(best output) 5.3 volts 2 amps. office depot ipad charger rated at 5volts, 2 amps. HTC phone charger 5volts 1a. All the wall warts will boot the pi. But the voltage stays at around 4.6 volts on almost all but the touchpad. It is normally at 4.8 but will dip to 4.6 when the system is working hard.
[16:02] <syntax_erorr> Now the PC power supplies won't even boot the pi
[16:02] <bfdb> syntax_erorr: the htc phone charger should work fine
[16:02] <syntax_erorr> It doesn't it drops to 4.6 and below
[16:03] <syntax_erorr> have you measured the voltage ?
[16:03] <megaproxy> the power things RS sent me dont work at all
[16:03] <megaproxy> tempted to ask for a refund
[16:03] <megaproxy> they are useless
[16:03] <ReggieUK> have you tried different micro usb cables?
[16:03] <megaproxy> plug dosent even stay in properly
[16:03] <syntax_erorr> hah
[16:03] <syntax_erorr> yes
[16:03] <bfdb> megaproxy: rma
[16:03] <megaproxy> yea i should
[16:03] <syntax_erorr> including making my own.
[16:03] <megaproxy> but it was ?1.99 or w.e
[16:03] <megaproxy> i cant really be bothered
[16:03] <bfdb> you'll still have to ship them back if you want a refund
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[16:04] <megaproxy> exactly
[16:04] <megaproxy> that means i have to do somethign
[16:04] <megaproxy> letting them collect dust requires less ... doing
[16:05] <bfdb> you get what you paid for
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> my HTC phone charger works OK.
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> As does the 700mA jawbone chargers I have.
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> as does my PC directly off a USB port..
[16:06] <syntax_erorr> Why would a PC power supply fail to boot a pi? I mean it is rated at 14 amps on the 5 volt rail, but drops to under 4 volts.
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> I guess I'm lucky as I've not found anything that doesn't work yet...
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> syntax_erorr, a USB socket is supposed to only give 100mA without power negotiation.
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[16:07] <syntax_erorr> No
[16:07] <syntax_erorr> I tapped the red 5v wire on the supply it self
[16:07] <aaa801> When i use my raspberry pi on my hdmi monitor, it doesnt appear to display at full resolution (1920x1080) Also i get no sound devices detected when trying to run a emulator, alnough the sound output works in the hello_audio sample
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> sure, I'm using USB sockets though.
[16:07] <aaa801> Also my monitor has audio support
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> and my PC obviously doesn't do power negotiation as it just works...
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, do you get black borders?
[16:08] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: yes
[16:08] <syntax_erorr> gordonDrogon, and have you measured the power on the pi board?
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, put this: disable_overscan=1 into /boot/config.txt
[16:08] <aaa801> Will try that gordonDrogon
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> syntax_erorr, never - because I've never had it not work, so I've not needed to.
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, just create that file if it doesn't exist.
[16:09] <bfdb> syntax_erorr: maybe you have a faulty pi
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, and thee's a modprobe command you need to get sound, but I don't have the right rune to hand.
[16:09] <nidO> fwiw i'm in the same boat as gordonDrogon, my touchpad charger, proper nokia chargers, aftermarket phone charger, and pc frontpanel usb sockets all power my pi flawlessly
[16:09] <syntax_erorr> No , I know its not the pi. I've ruled that out.
[16:09] <aaa801> ok
[16:09] <aaa801> aparantly my pi is not connecting to the network now :@
[16:09] <bfdb> nidO: my nokia charger isn't micro usb :(
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> let me check some voltages for you...
[16:09] <syntax_erorr> My wall warts do power the pi
[16:10] <syntax_erorr> but it the voltage falls below what they recommend you run it at.
[16:10] <nidO> bfdb: tbh one of mine isnt either, its an old one that uses the little mini-pin but came supplied with a little adaptor box that has a mini pin input and micro-usb out
[16:10] <aaa801> brb testing pi
[16:11] <bfdb> nidO: :O, nokia are so cheeky, they stuck a data-only micro usb port on my old phone
[16:11] <syntax_erorr> gordonDrogon, thanks. I'd like to know what others are getting
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> Pi powered off LOGIX hub - 4.89V.
[16:11] <Habbie> bfdb, they did that for quite a while, yes
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> er, LOGIC hub.
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[16:11] <nidO> bfdb: indeed, my e90 has that, but its a mini rather than micro usb
[16:11] <syntax_erorr> OK so your using a powered hub.
[16:11] <nidO> the usb for data only, and a minipin for power
[16:12] <bfdb> wow mini usb on a phone?
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[16:12] <ReggieUK> powering from a powered hub won't necessarily work either
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[16:12] <gordonDrogon> Pi powered off 700mA jawbone charger - 5.01V
[16:12] <bfdb> I used to have an old htc that was sorta mini usb but that phone was like a brick
[16:12] <nidO> bfdb: yep, e90 is from like 2007 though and the phone's roughly the size of my house so its not like there isnt room on the case
[16:13] <syntax_erorr> Really? a 700 ma charger and you still have 5 volts.
[16:13] <bfdb> gordonDrogon: noice
[16:13] <syntax_erorr> with the system booted?
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[16:13] <syntax_erorr> becuase if you power it on with out a SD card it will not draw anything
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> Pi powered off PC's USB port: 5.02V
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> Yes, all 3 booted.
[16:13] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, ye that worked
[16:14] <aaa801> Is it possible to draw too much current from the usb would cause the eathernet to not work?
[16:14] <syntax_erorr> gordonDrogon, did you get your pi from RS or element 14?
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> the LOGIC one is running X/xfce4 the Jawbone one is outputting to composite and is powering an add-on board from the 5V suppoy too the 3rd just booted with nothing plugged in. At least I think it booted, it usually does, I didn't bother to check - just waiting until the LEDs stopped flashing.
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> syntax_erorr, Pi1: RS, Pi2: Farnell, Pi3 RS.
[16:14] <bfdb> aaa801: possibly, they share the same usb hub
[16:15] <aaa801> bfdb: and im guessing my g15 is pulling alot of power from the hub
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> Pi1 is 1st gen, the others are 2nd gen.
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> all 3 PCBs are scrreened differently.
[16:15] <aaa801> i think ima invest in a powered hub :3
[16:15] <Habbie> you have 3 Pi's? you should give some away :)
[16:15] <bfdb> aaa801: use a powered usb hub
[16:15] <Habbie> that's what i did, anyway
[16:15] <aaa801> bfdb: if i had one here i would :p
[16:16] <Kolin> hes a greedy bastard
[16:16] <Kolin> stoping other poor people geting pi :(
[16:16] <nidO> you coulda bought the one off ebay before he did
[16:16] <aaa801> btw the pi runs virtualboyadvance just great
[16:16] <aaa801> apart from the sound issue :/
[16:16] <bfdb> gordonDrogon: I think different gens usually have hardware differences
[16:17] <Habbie> bfdb, there are also visible differences between RS and Farnell
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> Kolin, You too can get as many Pis if you really want to, so stop pouting and buy them off ebay like I did.
[16:17] <Kolin> i have one
[16:17] <aaa801> Anyone know if the pi will work with a 32gb sandisk?
[16:17] <Habbie> heh, E80 for a Pi on ebay
[16:17] <Habbie> aaa801, check the wiki
[16:17] <bfdb> Kolin: what are you using your pi for?
[16:17] <Kolin> absolutly nothing yet bfdb
[16:18] <Kolin> i need to find some time to play around with getting it to communicate with our solar array inverter
[16:18] <bfdb> Kolin: stop being a greedy bastard, stopping real developers from getting their hands on a pi
[16:18] <Kolin> will be useing it to log output
[16:18] <frankivo> lol
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> ebay: plenty from ?45 to 135!
[16:27] <FransWillem> Hi, would anyone know if I'd be able to push 1.000.000 bps over the raspberry's UART ?
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[16:28] <traeak> damnit forgot my multimeter again
[16:28] <IT_Sean> traeak: that's why i have two. Keep one in the office, one at home.
[16:29] <aaa801> New cross compiling guide: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8478
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> FransWillem, probably not.
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> FransWillem, I've used it at 115200 and the max. normally supported by unix is 230400
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> FransWillem, you may get faster than that by poking the hardware directly - if you can work out how.
[16:30] <FransWillem> Really? I'm trying to replace another computer that's using an FTDI dongle to push that, which is also a debian linux setup, so I guess *nix should be able to support it :/
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> FransWillem, well you may be lucky.
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> FransWillem, actually, I've just found a newer library than the one I've been using for the past 10 years - seems things have improved a little and 4,000,000 might be supproted - at least in software, but whether the hardware supports it is another matter.
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> serial at that baud rate really isn't efficient at all. the interrupt load is very high.
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> if you really need that sort of data speeds, then there might be better ways to do it...
[16:35] <Veryevil> He did say 1,000,000 bps surely / 8 for baud?
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[16:35] <Veryevil> or was that baud not bits?
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[16:44] <xmlich02> pi
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[16:44] <ratherDashing> anyone see if they can plug a ps3 controller in a pi running debian/raspbian yet?
[16:45] <bfdb> ratherDashing: ps3 controllers are bluetooth
[16:46] <ratherDashing> and usb
[16:46] <ratherDashing> either or, i wanted to see if they were picked up on the usb and then if they paired on bluetooth
[16:47] <traeak> if the ps3 controllers are seen on linux then why not on the rpi ?
[16:48] <ratherDashing> never plugged a ps3 controller into a linux box
[16:48] <traeak> rumble might kill them for the ports
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> Veryevil, I was assuming that was 1 million baud - which in this case equates to bits per second, or approx. 10,000 bytes/sec.
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[16:49] <Veryevil> either way we would need more info to help
[16:49] <bfdb> traeak: the usb is used for charging, the controllers have their own battery
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[16:54] <trevorman> FransWillem: yes. it should be able to.
[16:56] <xmlich02> bootc, i would like to ask whether you 3.2.19r3 contains GSPCA drivers, or if you can provide us deb package with these drivers
[16:56] <SomeoneWeird> bfdb, they pair through usb too
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[17:04] <zgreg> I wonder why people keep saying that mercurial is easier than git, and that it has a better user interface.
[17:04] <mikey_w> fan boys
[17:04] <zgreg> I have to use mercurial for a new project, and I keep pulling my hair our over its limitations and stupidities
[17:05] <bootc> xmlich02: yes, that package should contain the GSPCA webcam drivers
[17:05] <mikey_w> sorry
[17:05] <bootc> if not, do let me know what's missing and I'll create a new package
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[17:07] <mikey_w> So where are all of the python games from the school kids?
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[17:08] <mikey_w> Are school kids even using the PI?
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[17:08] <Wolfram74> the school model hasn't been released yet
[17:08] <Wolfram74> i think
[17:08] <Wolfram74> so the mass dessimination hasn't happened yet
[17:09] <mikey_w> When it happens it could be exciting.
[17:09] <Wolfram74> oh definitely
[17:09] <bfdb> mikey_w: the educational release hasn't happened yet, it will be the same model, but bundled with a case
[17:09] <mikey_w> If the teachers don't screw it up.
[17:09] <mikey_w> A case is good.
[17:10] <traeak> zgreg: it's what you are used to. both mercurial and git have limitations i don't like
[17:10] <IT_Sean> The educational release will, as per my understanding, be largely Model As
[17:10] <IT_Sean> The edu release has not happened yet.
[17:10] <mikey_w> Is there a time table?
[17:11] * IT_Sean shrugs
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[17:12] <Wolfram74> have you considered working on any development tools for these game creators mikey_w?
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[17:12] <mikey_w> I am looking forward to reading the tutorials used in the schools.
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[17:13] <mikey_w> That could be fun.
[17:14] <mikey_w> My PI is supposed to ship on June 28th.
[17:15] <mikey_w> By then all of the paper cuts should be solved. :)
[17:15] * IT_Sean passes mikey_w the Channel Optimist Hat
[17:15] <mikey_w> lol
[17:16] <bfdb> mikey_w: unlikely
[17:16] <mikey_w> Compared to the allwinner stuff the progress has been amazing.
[17:16] <traeak> mikey_w: community stuff...i'll be blunt and say the allwinner hardware is less problematic
[17:16] <bfdb> mikey_w: That's what tends to happen when you have a large community of impatient neckbeards
[17:17] <mikey_w> A pox on all NDAs.
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[17:17] <traeak> https://www.miniand.com/forums/forums/2/topics/1
[17:17] <traeak> there's your ubuntu* images
[17:17] <traeak> allwinner stuff i mean
[17:18] <bfdb> yeah but that android dongle is muuuuuuch more expensive
[17:19] <bfdb> traeak: the bezel on that monitor is amazing. I waaaaant
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[17:19] <mikey_w> Hopefully the image will work on a mele A1000 since it;s the same uboot.
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[17:19] <traeak> mikey_w: mnight not have SATA support builting
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[17:20] <mikey_w> I can live with that.
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[17:20] <traeak> and dunno bout wifi or ethernet either
[17:20] <traeak> but you can rebuild a kernel pretty easily
[17:20] <traeak> the sata makes a difference
[17:20] <traeak> a huge one
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[17:21] <traeak> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/06/13/hardware-packs-for-allwinner-a10-devices-and-easier-method-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-12-04-sd-card/
[17:21] <traeak> and more for you mikey
[17:21] <traeak> go have fun :-p
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[17:26] <dirty_d> damnit
[17:26] <dirty_d> lost my reverse ssh tunnel to home
[17:27] <dirty_d> traeak, im very close to having a very very fast hardfloat compiling env
[17:27] <dirty_d> using scratchbox2
[17:28] <mikey_w> lunch time so later.
[17:28] <traeak> scratchbox2 ?
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[17:29] <dirty_d> its like a chroot into a arm root filesystem essentially
[17:29] <dirty_d> using qemu-arm
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[17:29] <dirty_d> it doesnt emulate the whole system just programs
[17:30] <dirty_d> but gcc doesnt get emulated, it runs a native cross compiler so it compiles very fastr
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[17:30] <dirty_d> i used crosstool-ng to build the cross compiler
[17:31] <dirty_d> followed this: http://randomsplat.com/id192-building-a-hard-float-arm-toolchain.html
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[17:34] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Hows progress ?
[17:34] <traeak> i've just been using arch's AUR to grab cross compilation stuff
[17:34] <traeak> but only for kernel builds
[17:34] <dirty_d> me too
[17:34] <dirty_d> oh
[17:35] <dirty_d> i was doing that
[17:35] <dirty_d> but they didnt work
[17:35] <dirty_d> crosstools-ng did
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[17:36] <zgreg> traeak: yeah, but it's just as confusing as git for first-time users, that's my point
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[17:37] <zgreg> while fanboys always claim it's easier to get started with
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[17:38] <dirty_d> there are loads of crap pkgbuilds though
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, Hi... how goes what ! Life plods on :)
[17:40] <Gadget-Mac> No photo's yet then ?
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[17:52] <Davespice> omg...
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[17:52] <Davespice> anyone typed "English Person" into google recently? lolz
[17:53] <Wolfram74> I think the raspian distro i downloaded is completely naked...
[17:54] <drazyltoo> Davespice : ouch, that's a bit harsh
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[17:55] <Davespice> drazyltoo: yeah I thought so! boo to google! lol
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[17:55] <dirty_d> hahaha
[17:55] <drazyltoo> didn't think we'd upset google particularly recently
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[17:55] <drazyltoo> maybe it's the run up to the 4th of July
[17:56] * Davespice shrugs
[17:56] <Davespice> hey have we got any opengles programmers present?
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[17:57] * drazyltoo is always amused by americans who are surprised about people in the UK celebrating independence day
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[17:57] <IT_Sean> What are you celebrating? Being rid of us?? :p
[17:57] <mikey_w> lol
[17:57] <IT_Sean> Oooh! lunch is here
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[17:57] <Kolin> im surprised that people in the uk would celebrate independence day
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[17:57] <Kolin> and im in the uk...
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[17:58] <Wolfram74> i have a query about setting up my SD card
[17:58] <drazyltoo> I think it's because the defeat is not that big a deal here, but in the US it's a really important victory
[17:59] <mikey_w> Well you did hae a crazy king at the time.
[17:59] <drazyltoo> and it's a good excuse to have a US themed menu etc
[17:59] <mikey_w> We kept you anthem, just changed the words.
[17:59] <Wolfram74> how big a table could you have to have a "uS themed" menu? the diversity of food styles in the US would require a fairly massive surface area
[18:00] <drazyltoo> same with italian, french, or even british menus
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[18:01] <drazyltoo> but for the US people tend to stick with german burgers, italian pizza or mexican chilli.... :p
[18:01] <mikey_w> Let's see, hell is a place where all of the politicians are French, all of the guards are German and all of the cooks are British.
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[18:02] <IT_Sean> Why did i log out, if i'm eating in?
[18:02] <drazyltoo> you tell us
[18:02] <IT_Sean> WHOOOF! Stinky chicken! :D
[18:02] <Draylor> scared of idling?
[18:03] <IT_Sean> mmmmmmmm
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[18:06] <Wolfram74> is now a bad time to ask computer-oriented questions?
[18:06] <IT_Sean> I'm eating lunch.
[18:06] <IT_Sean> so... yes.
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[18:07] <IT_Sean> I'm kidding. Go ahead. :p
[18:07] <phire> :D
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[18:07] <Wolfram74> :P
[18:07] <Wolfram74> well, so i got a distro onto my SDcard the other day, and some folks suggested i update it
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[18:08] <Wolfram74> so i repeated the process i used last time with the same SD card, i'm wondering if since there was already an OS on it maybe that interfered/
[18:08] <Wolfram74> ?
[18:08] <Wolfram74> should i have cleaned off the contents first?
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[18:09] * IT_Sean shrugs
[18:09] <Wolfram74> it's just i installed the raspian distro and there's nothing on it
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> question for anyone who's used arduino... A blank, brand new arduino needs some magic runes poking at it to make it work for the very first time. Most people would buy them ready programmed in an Arduino, but my board will come with a blank chip. Do you think it's OK to say: You have a blankchip, run this program first? (and give them a little shell-script to run)?
[18:09] <bfdb> Wolfram74: nothing at all?
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[18:09] <Wolfram74> like, startx works, and i check to see if there are any applications and there's nothing
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> Wolfram74, yes, it's bare bones to let you install what you need.
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> er, I meant a blank brand new ATmega chip ...
[18:10] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: don't see why not so long as its idiot proof. it'll save them some ??? in the long run as well since they can flash the bootloader themselves
[18:10] <Wolfram74> i tried to run python, but even though i find some of the documents in... bin i think, doing "python" in the terminal doesn't boot up
[18:10] <bfdb> gordonDrogon: who is the target user?
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[18:11] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, it doesn't need a bootloader at all, but does need the fuses set - else it runs at 1MHz...
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[18:11] <gordonDrogon> bfdb, not sure - it might be hobbyists, teachers - people intersted in using an "experimentors" type of IO board for the Pi.
[18:11] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: ah thought you were trying to turn the blank chips into "arduino" chips with the STK bootloader
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, no - I'm programming them natively from the Pi - to be used with the Pi.
[18:12] <bfdb> gordonDrogon: so someone who would have previous experience in running shell scripts?
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, I did originally use a bootloader in the, but that's a hassle as they run at 12MHz.
[18:12] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: then yeah go for it
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> bfdb, yes - actually, to install the Arduino IDE, they'll need to type a few commands in first...
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> so one more sudo setup2.sh will be fine, I guess.
[18:13] <bfdb> yeah
[18:13] <trevorman> you're not raising the bar anyway since you'd need at least that level of knowledge to use it
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[18:13] <gordonDrogon> and it can check for basic connectivity - that they have the 4 wires connected up correctly...
[18:13] <trevorman> "Do you see smoke? Y/N"
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> :)
[18:13] <trevorman> "If you can't read this then you blew up your RPi"
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> and the lights dim ...
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[18:14] <reider59> "if you can read this then you may be about to blow up your pi"
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> running at 12Mhz has proven to be more problems than I guess was first thought about, but you have to run at 12MHz at 3.3v ...
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> so buying ATmegas pre-programmed for an arduino won't work.
[18:15] <dirty_d> hmm
[18:15] <trevorman> you could overclock it. they're pretty much all capable of it but you're going out of spec. really low or really high temps may give odd results though.
[18:15] <dirty_d> i think im gonna up my PC to 24GB of memory
[18:15] <dirty_d> set up a ramdisk and do some crazy stuff
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, indeed, but I think we need to stick to the published "standards" for a commercial product.
[18:16] <trevorman> dirty_d: crazy stuff?
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[18:16] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: once you get everything running then you could make overclocking an option. might not want to open that support can of worms though :)
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[18:19] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, the ceramic osc. is soldered in...
[18:19] <trevorman> ohh
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, and the board doesn't have space for an xtal + the 2 caps needed to take it to 16MHz.
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[18:20] <gordonDrogon> it's a combined unit with the caps internal to it.
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[18:21] <trevorman> at least put the traces needed for it there as a warranty voiding mod :P
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> Heh... a possibility. however the board design is more or less set in stone for now.
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[18:35] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Seems odd you din't have room for a xtal and 2 caps. Is the board pre-built or a kit ?
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, I didn't build the board...
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, so the desginer wanted to use one blobby thing for the xtal...
[18:45] <Gadget-Mac> K. Shame, but you have to make of it what you can I guess
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[18:46] <gordonDrogon> yea. there's space near it if someone wanted to up it to 16MHz, but it would be on flying leads :)
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[18:46] <Gadget-Mac> 328p processor ?
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[18:47] <Gadget-Mac> Sounds like good stuff
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[18:47] <gordonDrogon> I wasn't sure which would be shipped, but it's been fixed at the 328. I was sent the board with a 168 in it..
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[18:49] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, it's fun stuff - basically helping out friends with their project.
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> but I plan to publish everything I've done independantly - that way it'll benefit folks like you who're doing their own thing with atmegas connected to the Pi (i hope)
[18:50] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Sure I've already started thinking about being able to bulk program bootloaders :)
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, Well, I did, but then felt that "sure, I could buy 500 328's for ?2 and sell them for ?5, but really, would it be worth it?"
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> which is why I actually abandoned the bootloader approach and went the direct programming via the GPIO way.
[18:51] <Gadget-Mac> Well, interested in being able to do that for another project.
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> I found there were some GPIO patches for Avrdude anyway, but they weren't in the main release, so I got the debian sources, applied the patches and re-made the package.
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> I really could do with more knowledge on that side of things - e.g. I'd like my avrdude to take priority in-case someone else already has avrdude on their Pi ...
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[18:53] <Gadget-Mac> Well, just need to make sure it appears in the path ahead of anything else
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[18:53] <gordonDrogon> right now, you need to un-unstall avrdude (if installed, which wil then un-install arduino ide), wget the .deb, and dpkg -i it, then install arduino, then wget a script which edits all the Pi's config files and the arduino config files...
[18:53] <trevorman> thats kind of unfriendly though. should trust the user to sort that out
[18:54] <trevorman> about priority
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[18:54] <gordonDrogon> that's the issue - I really don't know enough about debian packages, even though I'e been a debian user forever...
[18:54] <nemo> gordonDrogon: say. what would you recommend as a good intro kit? kinda wondering what you used http://unicorn.drogon.net/15leds.jpg here actually
[18:54] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: How are you installing the ide ?
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> I know that if they install my avrdude first, then arduino it'll be fine.
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[18:55] <nemo> gordonDrogon: anything I can get at the local radio shack?
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, apt-get install arduino
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[18:55] <gordonDrogon> nemo, it's a kit from http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-red-p-1071.html
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[18:55] <gordonDrogon> nemo, I guess by radio shack that implys the US ... though
[18:56] <nemo> yep
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[18:56] <nemo> or canada :-p
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> ok!
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> There's this in the US: http://www.adafruit.com/products/801
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> you could stick a breadboard onto that
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[18:57] <RoyK> gordonDrogon: cool :)
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> I don't know if skpang will ship to the other side of the pond though.
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[18:58] <gordonDrogon> where are you, RoyK ?
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> I think the shield idea is good, but I really would have prefered to see it like the skpang one with a breadboard and not having to solder stuff just to get started.
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi.jpg
[19:00] <RoyK> gordonDrogon: Oslo, .no
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[19:00] <gordonDrogon> Ah. I've absolutely no idea about hobby electronics over there!
[19:01] <RoyK> gordonDrogon: looks a bit too flashy for my taste, no cables, no dust, no nothing, looks like it came from Apple
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[19:01] <gordonDrogon> RoyK, Haha... That's because I've just assembled it up ... Well a day or 2 ago.
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[19:01] <gordonDrogon> if you want dust, look at the red one :)
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[19:02] <dirty_d> hmm i cant remeber how to do this
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[19:02] <megaproxy> hometime
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[19:02] <dirty_d> mount a partition in a users home directory so they own that directory and have rw access
[19:02] <IT_Sean> +5 internets to gordonDrogon for the Linux Inside sticker
[19:02] <dirty_d> how do you do that?
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi_sht15.jpg
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[19:03] <dirty_d> this is what im trying to do: mount -o size=60M,owner,user -t ramfs none /home/andrew/ramdisk
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, man mount.
[19:03] <dirty_d> i didnt
[19:03] <dirty_d> i did
[19:03] <dirty_d> i know how to add it to fstab so andrew can mount it himself
[19:03] <dirty_d> but i want it mounted at boot
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[19:03] <gordonDrogon> put it in the fstab then.
[19:04] <dirty_d> the directory changes to being owned by root after i mount it
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> hang on I have some I do myself.
[19:04] <dirty_d> i think i need the uid= maybe
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> /dev/shm /var/spool/MIMEDefang tmpfs rw,nodiratime,noatime,size=128m,mode=0700,uid=102,gid=0
[19:04] <dirty_d> yea
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> yes, uid= and gid=
[19:05] <dirty_d> hmm, wtf didnt work
[19:05] <dirty_d> still shows the directory as root:root
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[19:07] <dirty_d> mount -o size=60M,uid=1000,gid=1000 -t ramfs none /home/andrew/ramdisk
[19:07] <dirty_d> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jun 15 13:05 ramdisk
[19:08] <Wolfram74> neat little board dragon, what's it do?
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[19:08] <Tachyon`> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18456746
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[19:08] <Wolfram74> gordonDrogon: i mean, what's your board do?
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> Wolfram74, the sht_15 one?
[19:09] <Wolfram74> yes
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> It's got an SHT-15 temperature and humidity sensor on it. and 8 LEDs
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is reading the sensor and displaying the temperature in binary on the LEDs
[19:09] <Wolfram74> LED's read off values?
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> binary, in C.
[19:10] <Wolfram74> if you had a few more you could do it properly in kelvin
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[19:10] <gordonDrogon> so it' sreading 21C.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[19:10] <Wolfram74> actually even with 8, if you just assumed a +200 you could do it as is
[19:10] <tech2077> gordonDrogon, what temp sensor
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> sht-15
[19:11] <tech2077> ah, i'm using a tmp102 right now
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/humidity-and-temperature-sensor-sht15-breakout-p-714.html
[19:12] <tech2077> ah, you lik ethis skpang place
[19:12] <tech2077> like this*
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[19:12] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, I've got an sht11
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[19:12] <ReggieUK> I believe there is already sensiron code in the kernel
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> The program that reads it is: http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/sht15.rtb
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[19:13] <gordonDrogon> it's all part of a weather station I'm putting together.. er, tomorow actually.
[19:13] <andatche> I've got a DS180S20 hooked up to the pi, bit banging 1-wire over GPIO to speak to it
[19:13] <andatche> http://pi.andatche.com/temps :)
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> andatche, 1-wire is timing critical - does it work all the time?
[19:14] <ReggieUK> do you actually need to bitbang 1-wire?
[19:14] <andatche> yup, been reliable so far, only 1 device on the bus though and the CRC checks occasionally fail
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[19:14] <ReggieUK> I'm pretty sure I've seen circuits that just hook it up to the serial port
[19:14] <andatche> I'm using the uart on the pi already for something else :)
[19:14] <neofutur> dirty_d: you also chowned the mount point before mounting ?
[19:14] <dirty_d> neofutur, yea
[19:14] <dirty_d> i think its because im using ramfs
[19:15] <dirty_d> i think i want tmpfs
[19:15] <ReggieUK> http://stargazerslounge.com/topic/150941-1-wire-temperature-logging-etc/#entry1520386
[19:15] <andatche> there are lots of serial/usb -> 1-wire adapters though
[19:15] <neofutur> dirty_d: http://serverfault.com/questions/39288/how-to-change-owner-of-mount-point
[19:15] <neofutur> anf also chown -R it after mount ?
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[19:15] <andatche> ReggieUK: cool, ta!
[19:16] <dirty_d> neofutur, i only changed ramfs to tmpfs, now the mount point is owned by the user i wanted
[19:16] <tech2077> andatche, what distro are you running
[19:16] <dirty_d> i think its a security thing since there is no max size to a ramfs mount
[19:16] <neofutur> yup perhaps theres something special with ramfs
[19:16] <andatche> tech2077: raspbian, with my own kernel
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[19:16] <ReggieUK> andatche, you're welcome :)
[19:17] <tech2077> ah, the hexxeh image or built from scratch
[19:17] <andatche> ReggieUK: I think I've seen that page before
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> It was a test for this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws.jpg
[19:17] <TomSlominski> Hi. I'm running debian and compiling some packages- openssl and foomatic-filters. I need those for cups, but they're not available in the repo for the arm architecture. Anyway, I've compiled openssl just fine but when I do sudo apt-get install cups it says that it can't see it, 404's. I'll send a log in a sec.
[19:17] <neofutur> you could try to add the user option in the fstab entry
[19:18] <andatche> ReggieUK: think I've come across that first link before actually :)
[19:18] <ReggieUK> :)
[19:18] <andatche> gordonDrogon: building a wireless sensor network?
[19:18] <neofutur> ramdisk /mnt/ramdisk ramfs rw,user,suid,dev,exec,noauto,async 0 0
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[19:18] <TomSlominski> http://pastebin.me/72e405b6fda85b8f6146e28b8b05d15b
[19:18] <ReggieUK> I just googled because the sgl guys and gals were discussing the ds18b20s
[19:18] <andatche> I'm working towards something similar, with PICs, 1-wire sensors and some cheap FM transceivers that speak SPI
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> TomSlominski, you sure openssl isn't there? there are enough packags for it.
[19:18] <TomSlominski> gordonDrogon, that's what it says. trying --fix-missing now, something is happening
[19:19] * tech2077 cringes at the mention of PICs
[19:19] <andatche> total cost per sensor unit is < ??10
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> andatche, well - not really. it was part of a hackday project a few weeks ago - we were looking to replace and old fashioned weather station at a field studies centre with something a bit more modern.
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[19:19] <gordonDrogon> so the arduino will go outside - ultimately powered off a LiPo & solar panel, sending data once every minute to a Pi inside...
[19:19] <ReggieUK> should take a look on that sgl forum gordonDrogon
[19:19] <ReggieUK> they've done quite a few bits and bobs for weather
[19:20] <ReggieUK> cloud detectors etc.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> maybe for the future.
[19:20] <andatche> yeah, I'm hoping to power the pi from a 30w solar panel charing a 12v lead acid
[19:20] <ReggieUK> 360degree cameras
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> this was a 1.5 day hack event and we picked the short straw.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> budget of zero, etc.
[19:20] <ReggieUK> big fisheyes on them
[19:20] * andatche nods
[19:20] <ReggieUK> andatche, you're going to fail
[19:21] <ReggieUK> you'll need at least 5x that probably
[19:21] * ReggieUK waits for SpeedEvil to inform people why.....
[19:21] <ReggieUK> depending where you live
[19:21] <andatche> because of the distinct lack of sun? :)
[19:21] <ReggieUK> yes
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[19:21] <IT_Sean> Aye
[19:22] <ReggieUK> and of course you can't capture sun at night
[19:22] <andatche> I dunno, my my calculations it should be just enough
[19:22] <tech2077> heh, here thats perfect
[19:22] <tech2077> always sunny in texas
[19:22] <IT_Sean> That 30w panel is only going to be generating 30w in direct 100% clear sunlight, with no dirt on the panel.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> I'm looking at a 5W panel to keep a 1C LiPo topped up - fortunately the Arduino only conumes 2mA, but the radion does spike it a lot more.
[19:22] <IT_Sean> Any degredation in the sun, even the slightest, will cause a massive drop in panel output
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> fortunately I can shut down the radio - it's powered from an Atmega IO pin...
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> I'm quite liking the xrf / urf radios.
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> the other end urf just plugs into a usb socket, then you get a wireless 9600 baud link between the 2 without doing anythingl
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/urf-radio-module-and-serial-inteface-via-usb/
[19:26] <andatche> IT_Sean: 5W of output from it should be just enough to charge the battery and power the pi
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> slightly cheaper than xbee stuff.
[19:27] <andatche> so assuming it achieves an average output of ~5W during daylight hours, it should be OK
[19:27] <andatche> that might be a *bit* ambitious
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> andatche: 5W pointed at the sun, in full unobstructed sun
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[19:28] <mjr> SpeedEvil, he's looking at a 30W (nominal) solar panel, not the same as gordonDrogon mentioned
[19:28] <SpeedEvil> ah
[19:28] * SpeedEvil is mostly asleep
[19:28] <mjr> I'm not sure if that'll work, but at least it's not trivially infeasible
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[19:30] <gordonDrogon> I'm powering an arduino... not a Pi..
[19:30] <andatche> it should be just enough, if not I'll swap it for a 40w panel
[19:30] <mjr> especially with the battery being able to charge pretty well when the sun is good enough to approach the nominal production capacity
[19:30] <TomSlominski> I updated the package list and it all works fine now. I'm such an embarassment.
[19:31] <trevorman> a solar tracker would improve it significantly but a lot more complex + expensive
[19:31] <andatche> yup, lead acid batteries are much better suited to that kind of cycle than a LiPo or LiIon too
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> the biggest issue is getting a panel and a lipo charger to match up. I'm looking at using a low-loss DC/DC convertor to feed the panel into a USB lipo charger to then feed into the arduino.
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[19:31] <andatche> gordonDrogon: that's why I went down the lead-acid route, a simple solar charge controller is <??10
[19:31] <mjr> say, if it manages to keep nominal production for an hour, that's 8 hours of Pi runtime right there
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> andatche, actually, a sealed LA battery might be an option.
[19:32] <trevorman> constantly cycling a lithium battery would be bad
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> lipos are fine. just ask the RC boys.
[19:32] <andatche> it's a much simpler option and the battery will live for *much* longer
[19:34] <andatche> controllers are dirt cheap too
[19:34] <trevorman> ^
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> got a good uk site for solar chargers, etc?
[19:36] <andatche> got my stuff off ebay, quite some time ago
[19:36] <andatche> let me see if I can find the sellers
[19:36] <andatche> there are tons of cheap panels and controllers on there though
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[19:36] <andatche> I had the batteries already
[19:37] <trevorman> avoid the really dirt cheap chargers. they generally have really dubious circuitry
[19:39] <andatche> gordonDrogon: I'm using these transceivers - http://uk.farnell.com/rf-solutions/alpha-trx433s/module-transceiver-trx433s/dp/1718689?in_merch=true&MER=i-9b10-00001460
[19:40] <andatche> cheap and they speak spi
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> andatche, they look fun - sure they're legal in the UK though?
[19:44] <andatche> yeah, they're ISM band
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> ok. sometimes I like stuff ready built though... I know the xrf stuff "just works" :)
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Looking at this: http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/lipoly-charger-single-cell-p-650.html with some solar panels in parallel might be an intersting solution for me.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> 3 of 4 of these in parallel: http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/solar-panel-watt-p-800.html
[19:46] <FransWillem> According to [1] the RPi has two serial ports available, would anyone know how to find out which I'm using and how to change between the two? [1] http://lavalink.com/2012/04/more-on-raspberry-pi-serial-ports/
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> FransWillem, the BCM chip has 2, but only one is easy to get to on the Pi.
[19:46] <FransWillem> Which is probably the first one ?
[19:47] <FransWillem> the mini uart?
[19:47] <trevorman> its the first one we have access to. not the mini
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Just get http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160793904940
[19:47] <FransWillem> So, according to this doc, the PL011 one
[19:47] <FransWillem> ?
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, a shade overkill for an arudino :)
[19:48] <SpeedEvil> Moonpower!
[19:48] <trevorman> FransWillem: yes
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> :)
[19:48] <mythos> has someone tested openvpn with the pi and can say something about the cpuload?
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> mythos, I've used ssh/rsync on the Pi and cpu load is high )-:
[19:49] <andatche> gordonDrogon: I have a similar 5w 5v panel, it's pretty woeful, output wise
[19:49] <mythos> gordonDrogon, hmm... but there are patches, which should change that, right?
[19:49] <andatche> ~1w tops for anything less than direct, strong sunlight
[19:50] <andatche> could probably get away with 4 or 5 of them
[19:50] <andatche> be cheaper to just go with a larger, 12v panel though
[19:51] <mythos> gordonDrogon, i speak about those http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=8433&sid=b73f431fe61f0a8fc3338d9dabf5fecb
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> mythos, I really don't know - it has not hardware crypto that I know of.
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> ah right. so it works, but without those patches, works slowly...
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> I'd wait until they put them into raspbian then ...
[19:52] <andatche> I've seen openssl benchmarks online somewhere, which should give a reasonable indication of openvpn performance, without those patches
[19:52] <mythos> ok... can not wait for the first raspbian release =D
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[19:53] <gordonDrogon> I've been using raspbian for some weeks now.
[19:53] <mythos> me too
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[19:53] <andatche> me too</aol>
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> actually, I have one Pi on debian, the othe on raspbian.
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[19:54] <gordonDrogon> and the 3rd just boots directly into basic right now..
[19:54] <mythos> but i wait for the kerneldeb, so i can go into production mode ;)
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[19:54] <gordonDrogon> in about 5 seconds.
[19:54] <andatche> how are you doing that? init=/bin/basic? ;)
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> more or less yes.
[19:55] <andatche> cool
[19:55] * mythos *shivers
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> there's a little shell script.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> it works, but you don't get a filesystem... network ... date/time... etc.
[19:55] <mjr> gordonDrogon, perv
[19:55] * andatche nods
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> heh
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> I tried to make it a bit better, but still fast and discovered that root *must* be on ext or anything other than vfat - you can't make /dev/ entries on vfat..
[19:56] <andatche> hehe, indeed!
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> so plan B is to boot a minimal debian and have /etc/rc.local start basic. that's up to about 25 seconds though )-:
[19:56] <traeak> mknod sort of fails
[19:57] <andatche> gordonDrogon: sounds more sensible, or boot to single user mode and then run it
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> I doubt we'll ever see the sub-seconds boot into basic of the Apple II or 1 seconds of the Duuuuuuuu Beep of the Beeb...
[19:57] <FransWillem> Would anyone know of any tricks to push the default speed of ttyAMA0 beyond 115200 baud?
[19:57] <Habbie> we used to have umsdos for making weird stuff on fat
[19:57] <Habbie> but i think it's gone
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> FransWillem, is it not working above that?
[19:57] <mjr> yeah it's been deprecated ages ago
[19:58] <trevorman> umsdos was such a hack though so its good its gone
[19:58] <Habbie> been 15 years since i used umsdos, too
[19:58] <Habbie> of course it was
[19:58] <Habbie> but it served a very useful purpose for me
[19:58] * gordonDrogon ponders 15 years ago...
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[19:59] <mjr> still, shouldn't you be able to use root on vfat if you slap your /dev on tmpfs early enough in the initrd if necessary?
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[19:59] <FransWillem> gordonDrogon: stty fails to, yeah. I'm actually hoping to push it towards 1000000 baud rate so I don't have to add a custom FTDI dongle, but I'm not sure if that's even possible. (tbh, if my Atmel ATTiny2313 running at 12mhz can do it, I'd guess a raspberry running at 700mhz should be able to, right?)
[19:59] <mjr> or whatever, devtmpfs
[19:59] <Habbie> vfat has a few other limitations that might prove interesting
[19:59] <Habbie> but dev on tmpfs would solve a lot
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[19:59] <trevorman> although back then it was minix, ext or umsdos as your choices
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> FransWillem, not neccessarily.
[20:00] <trevorman> Habbie: looks like they were trying to make a UVFAT with some of the hacks taken out. storing the filenames how VFAT does it normally.
[20:00] <dirty_d> just bought a 128GB SSD and 8 more GB of ram
[20:00] <trevorman> FransWillem: it should be able to do it but you need to check that you can get the exact baud rate you want
[20:00] <trevorman> it all depends on the system clock
[20:01] <Habbie> trevorman, yes, but looks like that did not make it either
[20:01] <mjr> Habbie, which is how udev these days does handle it..
[20:01] <Habbie> i wonder if http://sourceforge.net/projects/posixovl/ could be a root filesystem
[20:01] <Habbie> mjr, yes
[20:01] <trevorman> NTFS killed it anyway
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[20:01] <Habbie> trevorman, hah, true
[20:01] <trevorman> time for VNTFS! *cough*
[20:02] <trevorman> you probably could host it on NTFS actually. the FS is actually fairly decent in terms of features. only problem is no docs
[20:02] <FransWillem> trevorman: Any baud-rate around 1MBps would be ok, I guess, I could adjust my attiny's if need be, but I need that kinda throughput for the data I'm pushing :/
[20:02] <Habbie> should be a lot easier than umsdos ;)
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[20:02] <trevorman> FransWillem: you won't have any handshaking though
[20:02] <irc_from_my_pi> hello
[20:02] <FransWillem> Don't need that anyway :)
[20:02] <trevorman> if you want it then you'll need to dedicate some GPIOs to it and drive them yourself
[20:03] <trevorman> what are you doing that needs to send 1mbps but doesn't need handshaking?
[20:03] <FransWillem> Nah, I need just pure UART-TTL, send only, running into an RS485 chip :)
[20:03] <trevorman> ah
[20:03] <FransWillem> trevorman: Basically an adjusted DMX protocol, with a shitload more channels :p
[20:03] <trevorman> it should work. the UART is rated for much more
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> I don't think there's a kernel driver for the main uart, or if there is you might have to compile it in yourself.
[20:04] <trevorman> its the one on the expansion connector
[20:04] <Foxhoundz> Has anyone not ordered the Pi?
[20:05] * IT_Sean is still in the queue
[20:05] <autopatch> I have not ordered my 2nd one yet
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[20:07] <irc_from_my_pi> A\I am on my pi as my name implys
[20:07] <FransWillem> trevorman: So any idea how to set that baudrate using stty or setserial ?
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[20:08] <irc_from_my_pi> has anyone made an RTC for the Pi yet? I would but I lack the materials and coding skill...
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[20:08] <trevorman> no idea for 1mbps sorry
[20:08] <trevorman> if its not a predefined rate then you might need to mess with the driver and alter the divsors
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[20:09] <andatche> irc_from_my_pi: it's very easy to interface with a DS1307 RTC
[20:10] <irc_from_my_pi> Maybe an RTC culd work by having a config file which you put your timezone into then the Pi syncs online using the timezone file to figuure it out, that way no physical electrical stuff with GPIO needs to be done although it could
[20:10] <andatche> 8-pin dip, speaks i2c, drivers in the kernel
[20:10] <andatche> just needs an external crystal and power, nothing else
[20:10] <Foxhoundz> Does the default debian image come with wireless tools?
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[20:10] <andatche> and battery, if you want backup
[20:10] <Foxhoundz> I have a wireless USB network adapter I'm trying to use with my Pi
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> andatche: Kinda pointless to do if you've got network though
[20:11] <irc_from_my_pi> yea that would be the only problem is without a physical RTC with battery, you would need internet
[20:11] <andatche> indeed, I've added one to the Pi I intend to use for my heating controller though, incase network is down in a power outage or something, don't want the heating to stop working :)
[20:11] <irc_from_my_pi> so it would also not work on model A pi's
[20:11] <andatche> you can build one for a few pence
[20:11] <andatche> DS1307, crystal and a small battery
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[20:12] <trevorman> there are loads of premade RTC modules you can buy for not much more
[20:12] <trevorman> chronodot etc...
[20:12] <irc_from_my_pi> Its alright I don't really need an RTC, was just thinking for those who might
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[20:12] <andatche> yeah, there are lots of pre made ones
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> irc_from_my_pi, make the RTC stick the UTC time - Linux will figure out the rest.
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[20:13] <irc_from_my_pi> so has anyone broken 1.1Ghz yet?
[20:13] <trevorman> your RTC should always be in UTC. its just Windows thats broken with wanting local time :|
[20:13] <andatche> ^
[20:13] <irc_from_my_pi> or rather, has anyone gotten to 1.2?
[20:14] <irc_from_my_pi> I'm currently running at 1.11Ghz off my pi
[20:14] <irc_from_my_pi> havnnnnnn't stress tested it yet
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[20:14] <andatche> don't want to try until my 2nd one turns up :)
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> irc_from_my_pi, how much overvoltage?
[20:15] * blkhawk is now known as blkaway
[20:15] <traeak> you overvolting that thing?
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[20:15] <traeak> and maybe you need to cook and add more rice to it while you are at it
[20:17] <irc_from_my_pi> 8
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[20:17] <AthomIk> hello
[20:17] <irc_from_my_pi> I have a fan on top just to be safe
[20:17] <irc_from_my_pi> It actually is pretty cool
[20:17] <AthomIk> i have now raspberry, and a sd debian card, but log : pi and passwd : raspberry no good !
[20:17] <AthomIk> pffffffff
[20:18] <irc_from_my_pi> you sure you have a good source of usb power
[20:18] <irc_from_my_pi> ?
[20:18] <AthomIk> yes 5.1V 0.7A
[20:19] <irc_from_my_pi> mine glitches and often takes awhile to logon because I'm pretty sure my keyboard/mouse reciever is not getting enough power
[20:19] <irc_from_my_pi> occasionally it does something like thiiiiiiiiisssss
[20:19] <irc_from_my_pi> seems to be fine right now...
[20:19] <AthomIk> no keyboard run fine
[20:19] <irc_from_my_pi> try getting raspbian
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[20:19] <irc_from_my_pi> google it, get the pisces image
[20:20] <AthomIk> fuckk i wanna debian
[20:20] <irc_from_my_pi> thtas what I'm typing from now
[20:20] <irc_from_my_pi> debian squeeeeze sucks
[20:20] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian is MUCH better
[20:20] <irc_from_my_pi> trust me
[20:20] <AthomIk> irc_from_my_pi: sucks
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[20:20] <AthomIk> fucking child
[20:21] <irc_from_my_pi> raspbian IS debian, Raspberry+debian=raspbian
[20:21] * AthomIk was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[20:21] <irc_from_my_pi> its just better
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[20:21] <dirty_d> irc_from_my_pi, how long ago did you ask that rtc question?
[20:22] <dirty_d> anyone else have a problem of xchat disconnecting but not telling you?
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[20:22] <irc_from_my_pi> idk
[20:22] <dirty_d> in general, not rpi
[20:22] <irc_from_my_pi> a few minutes ago?
[20:22] <irc_from_my_pi> i guess
[20:22] <dirty_d> did you get my message before?
[20:22] <andatche> 19:06:32 +irc_from_my_pi: has anyone made an RTC for the Pi yet? I would but I lack the materials and coding skill...
[20:22] <irc_from_my_pi> not sure
[20:22] <andatche> (BST)
[20:22] <irc_from_my_pi> yea
[20:22] <dirty_d> irc_from_my_pi, you can probably add a RTC pretty easily
[20:23] <irc_from_my_pi> yea
[20:23] <irc_from_my_pi> I know
[20:23] <irc_from_my_pi> I don't need one now though
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[20:23] <irc_from_my_pi> a nice little irc machine is pretty cool righ tnow
[20:24] <andatche> RTC is nice for driving interrupts based on alarms
[20:24] <irc_from_my_pi> ooh the chip is kinda warm
[20:24] <irc_from_my_pi> still not hot
[20:24] <irc_from_my_pi> im going to leave the fan off for a few minutes
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[20:25] <irc_from_my_pi> btw would doing something like calculating a million digits of Pi(3.14...) be a good stress test?
[20:25] <andatche> running "stress -c 2" would be easier :)
[20:25] <irc_from_my_pi> what does it do?
[20:26] <andatche> runs 2 cpu-bound threads
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[20:26] <andatche> it can also do vm/io/memory stress testing
[20:26] <irc_from_my_pi> I mainly need to stress GPU actually
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> wonder if cpuburn is still valid..
[20:26] <irc_from_my_pi> Lemme try running that now
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> run quake III to stress the gpu..
[20:26] <andatche> ^
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[20:26] <irc_from_my_pi> I give up on quake
[20:27] <irc_from_my_pi> not compiling that
[20:27] <irc_from_my_pi> give me binaries
[20:27] <irc_from_my_pi> I got it but then all the files were empty
[20:27] <andatche> it's not very difficult to build and probably the simplest option
[20:27] <irc_from_my_pi> nopnopenopenopenope
[20:27] <irc_from_my_pi> I tried it all night yesterday
[20:27] <irc_from_my_pi> no success
[20:27] <irc_from_my_pi> missing files
[20:28] <irc_from_my_pi> empty files
[20:28] <irc_from_my_pi> errors
[20:28] <irc_from_my_pi> depedancies everywhere
[20:28] <irc_from_my_pi> nope
[20:30] <irc_from_my_pi> h
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> fine. run hello_triangle then.
[20:31] <irc_from_my_pi> am I still here
[20:31] <irc_from_my_pi> ok
[20:31] <irc_from_my_pi> command not found
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[20:31] <irc_from_my_pi> apt-get install?
[20:31] <dirty_d> irc_from_my_pi, you could pretty easily hook up a DS1307 to the rpi with i2c
[20:32] <dirty_d> just set the time to the current UTC time
[20:32] <dirty_d> and read from it and use settimeofday
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[20:32] <Hoppelchen> irc over i2c O.o
[20:32] <andatche> I have a DS1307 hooked up to my pi, just using the kernel driver for it
[20:33] <Hoppelchen> sounds like overkill ~.~
[20:33] <andatche> get a device node you can easily read/write to
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> irc_from_my_pi, you need to compile it.
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[20:34] <irc_from_my_pi> ok I don't really need to do an RTC thing, it was just a question of curiusity
[20:34] <irc_from_my_pi> I need to stress this thing
[20:34] <dirty_d> andatche, there is already a DS1307 driver?
[20:34] * andatche nods
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> irc_from_my_pi, cd /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_triangle
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> and type make
[20:35] <andatche> dirty_d: there are drivers for all kinds of i2/spi ICs in the kernel already
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[20:36] <irc_from_my_pi> how do I copy between terminals without X
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> then type ./hello_triangle.bin
[20:36] <irc_from_my_pi> or rather copy at all...
[20:36] <irc_from_my_pi> gtg
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[20:37] <dirty_d> use gpm
[20:37] <Habbie> yes, gpm
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> gpm - there's a blast from the past..
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[20:38] <Habbie> indeed
[20:38] <Habbie> also 15 years since i last used that ;)
[20:41] <dirty_d> i used it yesterday, lol
[20:41] <dirty_d> DS3231 would actually be better
[20:41] <dirty_d> +/-2ppm accuracy
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[20:41] <dirty_d> and no crystal needed
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[20:47] <mcfundash_pc> hello
[20:47] <IT_Sean> g'day
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[20:47] <IT_Sean> or not
[20:47] * IT_Sean shrugs
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[20:49] <Foxhoundz> I can't figure out how to configure my wireless USB adapter on debian
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[20:50] <Foxhoundz> iwconfig detects it, but every time I try to configure it, via this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188, it simply does not connect to my open network
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[20:56] <andatche> has anyone tried using mcplabx IPE for PIC on OS X?
[20:57] <andatche> doesn't seem to like my pickit 2 :(
[20:57] <andatche> it seems rather ropey, tbh
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[21:07] <mikey_w> Arggh! I explicitly copied the 2nd partition on th lubuntu image to my sd card and dd the image's u-boot and kernel to the sd card and it won't boot.
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> your trying bot boot ubuntu on a Pi?
[21:08] <mikey_w> I read about everything on creating a bootable sd card and I am flustered.
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> on the pi? you just need 3 files...
[21:09] <mikey_w> Ooops wrong channel. sorry.
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> heh..
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> Hm. tubes are a bit slow tonight. probably too many people watching footie..
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[21:49] <ReggieUK> ha
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[21:49] <ReggieUK> 1/2 time
[21:49] <haltdef> NO SPORTS
[21:50] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
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[22:07] <dirty_d> lol, http://imgur.com/BADLH
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[22:12] <phasip> Hey, I want to make a kind of Video-Phone with my RPI, I thought of using skype but it seems it doesn't have any good api or arm support, do you have any suggestions on what system I could use that is as easy as skype but has good api/open source and works on arm?
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[22:21] <dirty_d> newegg is on the freakin ball
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[22:21] <dirty_d> order something then a couple hours later get a tracking number
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[22:23] <trevorman> phasip: XMPP/Jabber is probably your best bet
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[22:32] <DaQatz> !channel
[22:32] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspbian #rpi-gentoo #raspberrypi-owners
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> phasip, biggest headache is getting the video hardware going - and audio and ....
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> phasip, however, Ekiga works if the webcam and audio is supported. Remember there is no audio input...
[22:34] <mjr> yeah you'll want a usb audio thing
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[22:35] <trevorman> you'd probably end up stuck with some horrible codec as well
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> ekiga can be patched to use h264...
[22:36] <mjr> video might be problematic yeah
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> personally I'd not bother. I did try to use ekiga on netbooks and just got fed-up with it.
[22:36] <trevorman> decode sure but how you going to encode?
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> I've tried SIP video phones too - got a pile of them gathering dust.
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> encode in software.
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> decode in software... slow in Pi
[22:37] <trevorman> encode h.264 in software on the Pi? o.O
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> workable on Atom netbook though.
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[22:37] <mjr> just put a crappy enough resolution and it'll manage ;]
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> 320x200...
[22:38] <adekto> hey u guys know what farnel means bye "shortly"?
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[22:38] <trevorman> shortly for what
[22:39] <adekto> pi ordering
[22:39] <rvalles> 20:30:50 @PiBot | DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspbian #rpi-gentoo #raspberrypi-owners
[22:39] <trevorman> from what? shipping? preorder?
[22:39] <rvalles> PiBot: add #raspberrypi-osdev to that :P
[22:39] <trevorman> you need to be more specific :P
[22:39] <adekto> just ordering
[22:40] <trevorman> at least a month. probably 2+
[22:40] <DaQatz> rvalles: With what description?
[22:40] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi
[22:40] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi - Main Raspberry PI chat room.
[22:40] <trevorman> RS when they invite you to order with the code seems to be taking 2-3 weeks alone so I'd expect way more than that if you're preordering
[22:40] <adekto> i aplyede about more then a month ago
[22:40] <DaQatz> See each one has a desc
[22:41] <adekto> 2 weeks ago i got a mail, u can order shortly
[22:41] <rvalles> DaQatz:
[22:41] <rvalles> hmm
[22:41] <rvalles> Raspberry Pi OS development chat room?
[22:41] <rvalles> something like that.
[22:42] <trevorman> adekto: so you just registered interest?
[22:42] <rvalles> basically, they're working on porting non-linux stuff
[22:42] <trevorman> not actually preordered?
[22:42] <rvalles> and just playing at hammering the hw directly.
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[22:42] <adekto> trevorman idk there is only one option
[22:42] <rvalles> (which is interesting when you've got some hundreds of thousands of identical, cheap devices)
[22:42] <trevorman> adekto: did you enter payment details
[22:43] <adekto> they wont even let me preorder
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[22:43] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-osdev
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[22:43] <trevorman> no idea what country you're in but http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/displayProduct.jsp?sku=2081185 for the UK
[22:43] <adekto> u can only sign up
[22:43] <trevorman> you'll have to dig around to find the relevant page for your country
[22:43] <DaQatz> !channel #raspberrypi-osdev
[22:44] <adekto> since wen is this?
[22:44] <adekto> why dint they tell me
[22:44] <trevorman> *shrug*
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[22:45] <trevorman> element14 seem to only have that register your interest page
[22:45] <adekto> im from belgium
[22:45] <trevorman> no idea what is going on but there are order pages in farnell
[22:46] <adekto> is this linkt on rasperypi site?
[22:46] <rvalles> !channel #raspberrypi-osdev
[22:46] <PiBot> rvalles: #raspberrypi-osdev - Raspberry Pi OS development chat room.
[22:46] <rvalles> :)
[22:46] <rvalles> !channel #raspberrypi-owners
[22:46] <PiBot> rvalles: #raspberrypi-owners - The channel for the lucky few.
[22:46] <rvalles> -_-
[22:46] <markbook> heh
[22:47] <markbook> do they check at the door?
[22:47] <IT_Sean> yes.
[22:47] <trevorman> adekto: *shrug* thats the link I originally ordered from back on release day
[22:47] <trevorman> ymmv
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[22:48] <adekto> its not allowd outside uk
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[22:48] <trevorman> I'm in the UK
[22:49] <adekto> im in belgium
[22:49] <phasip> Thanks guys! I'll try to use Ekiga, I was thinking of a USB webcam with mic that I have lying around the house, but I didn't think of the missing audio input, good reminder!
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[22:49] <trevorman> phasip: does it have a Linux driver?
[22:50] <adekto> thiss is bullshit
[22:50] <dwatkins> some webcams have built-in microphones
[22:50] <phasip> I hope someone has made one, it is old so theres a chance =) But I'll look into it. If I have to buy a new, any suggestions?
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[22:51] <plugwash_> adekto, i've noticed that pretty much since they put the register for interest page up if you know where to look you can find a direct order page
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[22:51] <plugwash_> dunno if that gains you anything queue wise over just registering your interest though
[22:51] <adekto> but i cant order since im not from uk
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[22:52] <plugwash_> just change the uk. in that url to whatever country you want
[22:53] <adekto> then i get the regester page
[22:53] <adekto> ...
[22:54] <plugwash_> which country are you in?
[22:54] <adekto> belgium
[22:54] <plugwash_> http://be.farnell.com/jsp/search/displayProduct.jsp?sku=2081185 looks ok to me....
[22:55] <trevorman> same
[22:55] <adekto> ?
[22:55] <adekto> i cant place the order
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[22:55] <trevorman> if those order pages don't work then you'll just have to wait for them to get around to your queue slot
[22:56] <trevorman> i've not actually tried ordering another RPi from farnell
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[22:59] <adekto> its not alowing my acount aperently
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[23:02] <adrian|home> good evening all
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[23:06] <adekto> 64 days, realy?
[23:07] <adekto> why dint anyone tell me sooner
[23:08] <trevorman> because that isn't a specific set duration. some people have gotten RPis quickly. some have taken ages to get their order accepted.
[23:08] <trevorman> it'll turn up when it turns up
[23:08] <trevorman> what country you're in affects it as well
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[23:09] <adekto> but about a moth ago i ask this irc allot on how to get it
[23:09] <trevorman> considering you've not actually preordered means that number doesn't mean anything anyway for you
[23:10] <adekto> i preorderd now
[23:10] <adekto> right
[23:10] <trevorman> you're still in a queue
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[23:10] <trevorman> and farnell + RS both still have a backlog of other orders
[23:11] <adekto> but i just orderd it
[23:11] <adekto> ad it states within 64 days
[23:12] <adekto> thats beter then u can order shortly
[23:13] <trevorman> it doesn't necessarily mean you'll have an RPi in 64 days though
[23:13] <adekto> i just payed for it
[23:13] <trevorman> still doesn't mean anything
[23:13] <trevorman> I paid for an RPi on release day
[23:14] <trevorman> I didn't get it until a month or so ago
[23:14] <Habbie> farnell tells me 64 days if i order today, too
[23:14] <trevorman> the original estimate april sometime
[23:14] <Habbie> but i don't trust the number one bit :)
[23:14] <adekto> they have to diliver in there set time or the product deliverd is free
[23:14] <Habbie> trevorman, that's not a fair comparison - there were specific holdups in the first batch
[23:14] <Habbie> adekto, says who?
[23:14] <adekto> ordering law
[23:14] <adekto> ..
[23:14] <trevorman> no
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[23:15] <adekto> yes
[23:15] <Habbie> adekto, i'm not aware of any country in which that law exists
[23:15] <trevorman> farnell isn't a pizza restaurant
[23:15] <Habbie> it's not the law for pizza either
[23:15] <trevorman> Habbie: was just saying that ETAs can and do slip
[23:15] <trevorman> nope
[23:15] <adekto> u pay for for there delivery service and they dont deliver
[23:15] <Habbie> oh, they sure do
[23:15] <plugwash_> IIRC while farnell take the card details upfront they don't actually take any money until they are about to ship
[23:15] <trevorman> yeah
[23:15] <Habbie> adekto, if they *do not* deliver, of course you deserve your money back
[23:16] <Dysk> They didn't take the money until about a week after I had the Pi in my hands, in my case.
[23:16] <trevorman> they called me up a week or so before I got mine to reconfirm my details as I had replaced my card by that point
[23:16] <trevorman> if any country had a law like that then everybody would just give massive estimates
[23:16] <reider59> No, in the UK you`re paying only a part of the fee for PO delivery, that's down to the PO not Farnell
[23:16] <trevorman> you'll get your order within 365 days. thanks for shopping with us.
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[23:17] <adekto> but its true if u pay for it and its not dileverd in time u need to get ur money back
[23:17] <trevorman> you can cancel if you wish
[23:17] <trevorman> it doesn't mean you'll get it for free though
[23:17] <adekto> if they ship it
[23:17] <adekto> out of the week u do
[23:18] <trevorman> you'll find thats actually theft
[23:18] <reider59> you never get it for free that way, there is no law that states that
[23:18] <trevorman> oh hey they shipped! *cancel*
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[23:18] <pjm> any idea when the rpi production will be scaled up so they are available in quantity
[23:18] <adekto> i study'd this stuff
[23:18] <pjm> so far it seems a pretty poor effort
[23:18] <trevorman> if you cancel and they still ship it afterwards then yeah its yours at least in the UK
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[23:19] <reider59> You didn`t study well then, you cannot get it for free that way
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[23:19] <Simon-> I'm going to remove the ` key from your keyboard :|
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> I think production has been ramped up - and it still can't meet demand...
[23:19] <adekto> i dont want it free but i want it in time
[23:19] <trevorman> if you could get free stuff like that then you should order really expensive items when there is majorly bad weather or a postal strike
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[23:20] <adekto> trevor there is a 7day after delevery date law
[23:20] <trevorman> for returns
[23:20] <trevorman> it doesn't mean you get it for free
[23:20] <trevorman> you can send it back and get a refund
[23:20] <trevorman> but you must send it back :P
[23:20] <adekto> free/discounted
[23:21] <trevorman> believe what you will but I wouldn't advise testing this out unless you've got a good lawyer
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[23:21] <Habbie> adekto, can you point us to a website about this law?
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> the UK has the distance selling regulations...
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> but it doesn't apply business to business, just to consumers.
[23:22] <Habbie> same for .nl
[23:22] <trevorman> yeah. 7 working days for a return with refund
[23:22] <Habbie> probably quite similar rules
[23:23] <trevorman> its a great law for consumers. really awful for businesses since they just have to accept it back and now have to deal with a secondhand item
[23:23] <adekto> anyway its not the point, its that they have to deliver within in this case 64 days
[23:23] <trevorman> no they don't -.-
[23:24] <trevorman> go read the T&Cs for farnell
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[23:25] <trevorman> "FARNELL zal al het mogelijke in het werk stellen om de afgesproken leverdatum te halen, maar accepteert geen aansprakelijkheid in wat voor vorm dan ook, ingeval zij in gebreke blijft om Goederen op tijd te leveren."
[23:25] <adekto> this is like u cant sell stuff out of its expire date, that iligal
[23:25] <trevorman> no its not
[23:25] <trevorman> -.-
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[23:26] <Habbie> adekto, in many countries selling stuff beyond the expiration date is, in fact, perfectly legal
[23:26] <adekto> omg
[23:26] <adekto> realy
[23:26] <adekto> uk?
[23:26] <Habbie> don't know, do know it applies to .nl
[23:26] <reider59> No, they don`t have to do anything. It's an advised within date only
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[23:26] <reider59> and subject to change
[23:26] <trevorman> translated section is "Premier Farnell will do everything in their power to achieve the agreed delivery date to get, but accepts no liability in any form whatsoever, if it fails to deliver goods on time."
[23:27] <adekto> its ridiculas
[23:27] <Habbie> adekto, then order your Pi somewhere else :)
[23:27] <adekto> u cant
[23:27] <Habbie> then deal with it
[23:27] <reider59> you can
[23:27] <Habbie> it's that simple
[23:28] <reider59> go on E bay
[23:28] <Habbie> heh, yes
[23:28] <Habbie> E80 for a pi
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[23:28] <trevorman> RS sell to Belgium apparently
[23:28] <adekto> hahaha ebay
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[23:28] <trevorman> ?80 for an RPi? huh. its gone up then recently
[23:28] <Habbie> that's what i saw today
[23:28] <Habbie> did not look very long, wasn't interested anyway
[23:29] <adekto> who wood buy electonics from ebay
[23:29] <Habbie> i've bought electronics off of ebay plenty of time
[23:29] <Habbie> s
[23:29] <adekto> and how many times did u get the epty case dvd player iseu
[23:29] <trevorman> for the UK at least, they're going for just under ?50 so about ?60 :)
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[23:29] <trevorman> slightly cheaper!
[23:30] <trevorman> well the other route would be to buy somebody elses RS order code from them
[23:30] <reider59> I gave a code away a few days ago, they were still advised within 7 weeks
[23:31] <adekto> i wood rater break out an android phone for the chip
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[23:33] <adekto> arent there any clones out?
[23:33] <Habbie> there are pleny similar devices on market
[23:33] <Habbie> like apc.io
[23:33] <Habbie> of course, that one is sold out too
[23:33] <rigel> yeah youd think that if someone was willing to shell out $80 for a RPi theyd just get a beaglebone/board instead
[23:33] <baneat> Hey does anyone have a link to that person that does compiles of nightly builds of openELEC for rpi?
[23:34] <reider59> Yes, a Chinese clone is out but it isn`t as good as the RPi
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> rigel, not quite - a beagleboard isn't a Pi... and that's why a few people will shell out more ...
[23:34] <trevorman> baneat: http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[23:34] <Habbie> baneat, openelec.tv has weeklies, if that helps
[23:34] <Habbie> ah yes, kvarley
[23:34] <baneat> cheers
[23:34] <rigel> i would say a beagleboard is better, personally
[23:35] <trevorman> an actual clone of the RPi would be difficult at least currently. convincing Broadcom to sell you those chips won't be easy.
[23:35] <adekto> beagleboard better then pi?
[23:35] <rigel> looking @specs
[23:35] <rigel> sec
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> it's still not a Pi.
[23:36] <adekto> oke im reasking me this question, why buy a pi
[23:36] <rigel> oh hell, no ethernet on the bb
[23:36] <rigel> my bad
[23:37] <adekto> is oke rigel
[23:37] <markbook> adekto: for me I'm looking at developing a teaching lab for HS computer club. I need to keep each unit under $50US so I can send one home with each student.
[23:37] <trevorman> for the price, the rpi is very good
[23:37] <markbook> and I need to add USB serial, a plug in power and an SD card.
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[23:39] <markbook> it's a lab/demonstrator. It's not really the base of a real appliance. For that you need something more.
[23:39] <markbook> (though give it 2-3 years)
[23:39] <trevorman> the upgrade from the RPi would be the Beagleboard XM at least for me
[23:39] <trevorman> it is significantly more expensive though
[23:39] <rigel> http://www.amazon.com/Eye-Fi-Class-Wireless-Memory-EYE-FI-8PC/dp/B002UT42UI/ref=pd_cp_pc_1
[23:39] <rigel> anyone know if that will work with an RPi?
[23:40] <trevorman> doubt it
[23:40] <trevorman> I've got an EyeFi card in my camera
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[23:40] <Habbie> well
[23:40] <trevorman> its extremely limited in what it can do
[23:40] <Habbie> eyefi prtends to be simple SD
[23:40] <trevorman> well. it'd work. it just won't do anything useful
[23:40] <trevorman> transfer is one way and it has to be FAT formatted
[23:40] <rigel> oh
[23:40] <rigel> yikes
[23:41] <rigel> thats pretty craptastic
[23:41] <trevorman> its got a hardcoded list of file extensions as well
[23:41] <rigel> skree
[23:41] <trevorman> anything else that gets written to the camera data directories gets ignored
[23:41] <Habbie> apple just dropped support for armv6 ;)
[23:41] <Habbie> (in xcode)
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[23:42] <trevorman> hm. hope LLVM keeps it going then
[23:42] <markbook> for me, given the price points, I'd pick either a pi which is bare bones or go straight to a trimslice pro which has bells, whistles and power to be a real appliance.
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[23:43] * markbook has a few pogoplug/dockstars and the pi's are nearly as nice and cheaper.
[23:43] <rigel> yikes
[23:43] <rigel> thats friggin expensive
[23:43] <rigel> you can get a3 year old tower for that
[23:43] <trevorman> markbook: is the PCB plating on your dockstars still okay?
[23:44] <adekto2> what did u people say
[23:44] <trevorman> the one I have is really discoloured and looks like its starting to corrode yet its in a dry office environment and its never been near water
[23:44] <markbook> 320. But it's a real computer. Pi's are lab tools. My dockstars seem fine.
[23:44] <adekto2> what did i mis?
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[23:45] <markbook> rigel: find a 3 year old tower the size of a half height dvd player?
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[23:47] <markbook> time to run.
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[23:50] <adekto2> can u expend these micro pc in anyway? gpu apu ..
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> Expand? No.
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[23:53] <adekto2> how good is its fps on 1080p and lan speed
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[23:59] <SpeedEvil> Lan speed is 100Mbits/s
[23:59] <SpeedEvil> So 8 megabytes/s or so top

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