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IRC Log for 2012-06-16

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[0:05] <megaproxy> how do i install this openlec thingy
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[0:06] <lee> sk pang pi holder is pretty good
[0:07] <trevorman> megaproxy: easiest way is to grab a disk image from http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[0:07] <traeak> SpeedEvil: i've gotten 12MB/s sustained off 100BT ... at least on a decent machine
[0:07] <trevorman> use dd or whatever to write it to your SD card
[0:07] <megaproxy> awesome
[0:07] <megaproxy> how do i do the sd card on windows?
[0:07] <megaproxy> did it on linux last time..
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[0:08] <trevorman> uhh. there is some tool for it but I don't know what it is
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[0:08] <trevorman> anybody else know what it is?
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[0:08] <megaproxy> IT_Sean, windows sd card writer?
[0:08] <megaproxy> any idea..?
[0:08] <IT_Sean> ... any idea about what?
[0:08] <megaproxy> what its called
[0:09] <trevorman> megaproxy wants the utility that writes disk images
[0:09] <IT_Sean> Ooooooh!
[0:09] <lee> win32diskimager
[0:09] <IT_Sean> Sorry, OS X & Linux user here
[0:09] <trevorman> and lee takes the prize!
[0:09] <reider59> Fedora tool works on Debian
[0:09] <megaproxy> oh also one of my server died
[0:09] <megaproxy> the mobo led thing just says FF
[0:09] <Thorn_> OSX and linux? but what if you ever need to be productive ?
[0:09] <megaproxy> i was like... FFF
[0:09] <sjc> IT_Sean: GNU/Linux
[0:09] <trevorman> lol
[0:10] <lee> instant flame war! just add GNU!
[0:10] <reider59> Fedora-arm-installer
[0:10] <IT_Sean> Thorn_ Be productive? That's why i use OS X & Linux!
[0:10] <sjc> lee: shush!
[0:10] <trevorman> odd failure if it stops at FF. that usually means its gone through everything and is just about to start your OS
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[0:11] <megaproxy> writing the sd card now
[0:12] <megaproxy> does this work out the box?
[0:13] <trevorman> should do assuming the card, display and keyboard is a known good one
[0:13] <dirty_d3> what a freakin pain in the ass
[0:13] <trevorman> first boot takes a little longer than normal because of SSH
[0:14] <megaproxy> lets give it a go
[0:14] <megaproxy> i have a ..
[0:14] <megaproxy> -
[0:14] <megaproxy> just sat there
[0:14] <megaproxy> hmm
[0:14] <megaproxy> error in prepare_sysroot: mount_uncommon
[0:14] <megaproxy> wellnow.
[0:14] <trevorman> eh?
[0:15] <megaproxy> should i format the sd card then do it again?
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[0:16] <reider59> Check all partitions are cleared too
[0:16] <megaproxy> how can i do that on windows
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[0:17] <reider59> diskpart, built into windows does it
[0:17] <reider59> or get a free utility
[0:18] <reider59> mini partition tool, download that
[0:18] <reider59> it's free and easy
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[0:18] <megaproxy> ta
[0:18] <reider59> http://download.cnet.com/MiniTool-Partition-Wizard-Home-Edition/3000-2094_4-10962200.html
[0:19] <NucWin> bah "easy" spoils the fun
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[0:20] <megaproxy> could not mound /flash/system
[0:20] <megaproxy> what would that mean though
[0:20] <megaproxy> the sd card cant be mounted?
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[0:21] <megaproxy> ok got it up, 2 partitions and some empty
[0:21] <megaproxy> ima delete it all right?
[0:21] <reider59> Install, put the SD Card in the reader, start Minitool. Make sure you only select on the SD Card, look carefully. Mark each and every partition on the SD Card for deletion, then hit the APPLY button. Then right click the SD Card and select Create, set it to fat32 for now and let the installer sort it later. Hit apply and when done use it with the selected program you`re using to put it on the SD Card
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[0:22] <megaproxy> you sir.
[0:22] <reider59> Make sure you only choose the ones on th eSD Card, not your harddrive
[0:22] <megaproxy> have meaningless internet love from me.
[0:23] <megaproxy> OH NO SYSTEM32!
[0:23] <megaproxy> :D
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[0:23] <megaproxy> this is a neat tool
[0:23] <dirty_d3> compiling gcc is the most complex process so far created by mankind
[0:24] <traeak> is clang any better?
[0:24] <reider59> it is good, I used Diskpart but that tool makes it so easy as long as you`re careful
[0:24] <dirty_d3> it compile sitself, then it compiles itself again, the nit finally compiles itself a last time, while compiling a bunch of other stuff inbetween
[0:24] <NucWin> lol which came first the compiler or the code
[0:24] <traeak> and it's not just gcc, but binutils, some libc
[0:24] <trevorman> dirty_d: try compiling ICS :P
[0:24] <dirty_d3> clang is awesome
[0:24] <traeak> yeah, bootstrapping
[0:24] <megaproxy> attempt 2
[0:24] <reider59> see if you can get the Fedora installer too, I use it on all the Distros I put on
[0:24] <trevorman> you end up using 30GB and right at the end you get a little 200MB file
[0:24] <dirty_d3> thats a sign of bad design
[0:25] <dirty_d3> a compile should be able to be expressed in standard C
[0:25] <megaproxy> it didnt work again ?.?
[0:25] <megaproxy> is my pi brokenz :(
[0:25] <dirty_d3> and compiled in one step from any platform with a C compiler
[0:25] <trevorman> just a ton of stuff to compile and it makes massive cache files to speed it up
[0:25] <dirty_d3> text in, binary out
[0:25] <megaproxy> "error in prepare_sysroot: mount_common: could not mount /flash/system
[0:25] <dirty_d3> no magic inbetween
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[0:25] <megaproxy> system halted
[0:25] <reider59> download the image again, may be a bad image file
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[0:26] <dirty_d3> trevorman, whats ICS
[0:26] * megaproxy blames windows
[0:26] <megaproxy> ice cream sandwich
[0:26] <megaproxy> android
[0:26] <trevorman> ^
[0:27] <megaproxy> easy way to do a md5 check on windows?
[0:27] <traeak> md5sum? :-p
[0:27] <megaproxy> in cmd?
[0:27] <traeak> install cygwin
[0:27] <megaproxy> ive never done it on windows lol
[0:27] <reider59> get this too, Fedora Arm Installer.....http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_ARM_Installer
[0:27] <Simon-> cehteh: I've got an sdhci driver in https://github.com/lp0/linux/commits/rpi-split that should be faster at bulk DMA than the 3.1.9 version
[0:28] <Simon-> cehteh: it needs some manual device tree setup so let me know if you want to try it
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[0:30] <Viperfang> megaproxy: md5summer
[0:30] <Viperfang> free download
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[0:32] <megaproxy> md5 was fine D=
[0:33] <megaproxy> yea this dosent work :(
[0:33] <Simon-> <+dirty_d3> and compiled in one step from any platform with a C compiler <-- and if you don't have one? :p
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[0:34] <dirty_d3> Simon-, then youre screwed
[0:34] <Simon-> I'm fairly sure gcc can be compiled without any external compiler
[0:34] <dirty_d3> you need gcc to compile gcc
[0:34] <dirty_d3> what came first the gcc or the gcc?
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[0:36] * megaproxy rages
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[0:37] <megaproxy> i thnk
[0:37] <megaproxy> that version dosent work, the older one looks more promising
[0:39] <megaproxy> omgz
[0:39] <megaproxy> it works
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[0:45] <rigel> so im trying to run my RPi as a cups server, and it keeps saying print job successful but nothing's coming out of the printer
[0:47] <dwatkins> anything in the logs, rigel?
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[0:48] <rigel> http://pastebin.com/khxtpHPa
[0:48] <rigel> that's it
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[0:50] <dwatkins> "No authentication data provided" might be worth looking up, rigel
[0:50] <rigel> i have it set to accept all
[0:51] <rigel> trying to print a self-test page from the RPi's cups page didnt work either
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[0:52] <dwatkins> I don't know, rigel - I found this thread which might help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=775695
[0:52] <steveccc> hi all - whats the most efficient torrent downloader in terms of resources
[0:53] <hamitron> aria2?
[0:53] <NucWin> utorrent but that involves windows which isnt resources friendly
[0:53] <hamitron> also rtorrent
[0:54] <NucWin> something libtorrent based for linux i would guess
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[0:54] <megaproxy> srs
[0:54] <megaproxy> these RS power things suck
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[0:55] <NucWin> the joys of cheap psu's megaproxy?
[0:55] <megaproxy> well its the micro usb one
[0:55] <megaproxy> its ... rubbish
[0:55] <steveccc> nucwin: by windows do you mean gui windows rather than microsoft
[0:55] <megaproxy> dosent get a good connection most of the time
[0:55] <megaproxy> when it does, its not giving enough power to boot.
[0:56] <megaproxy> works fine with my phone charger.
[0:56] <NucWin> nopes i mean microsoft
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[0:56] <hamitron> the utorrent linux client is not out yet is it?
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[0:56] <NucWin> i will be powering my pi via htc 1A charger
[0:56] <NucWin> if it ever arrives
[0:56] <hamitron> yeh :/
[0:56] <NucWin> guessing it will turn up while im away at ascot next week
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[0:57] <Simon-> steveccc: rtorrent can handle 50K+ concurrent connections easily, it's the trackers that start to struggle
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[0:57] <NucWin> or your crappy router^^^^
[0:57] <Simon-> no, the trackers start ignoring you if you make too many requests
[0:57] <NucWin> (especially if you have a virginmedia super sh*t hub
[0:58] <NucWin> 50k connections my router would die
[0:58] <Simon-> :)
[0:58] <NucWin> need pfsense for that many connections
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[0:58] <NucWin> even smoothwall would have issues unless mega overspec'ed hardware
[0:58] <NucWin> unix ftw
[0:58] <hamitron> rtorrent running 1 torrent is using 14MB memory here, to give ya an idea
[0:59] <NucWin> ^^^ guessing that libtorrent based?
[0:59] <hamitron> yep
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[0:59] <NucWin> :)
[0:59] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/o9GYQ.jpg
[0:59] <hamitron> I used to like ctorrent, but it is unmaintained now :/
[1:00] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/gR2l9.jpg
[1:00] <hamitron> and aria2 doesn't report stats correctly all the time
[1:01] <hamitron> megaproxy, not got any lego flowers to make it pretty down the border? ;)
[1:01] <NucWin> lol
[1:01] <megaproxy> i do!"
[1:01] <megaproxy> and some trees, and sharks.
[1:01] <hamitron> :D
[1:01] <megaproxy> my other pi is going in my old lego pirate ship
[1:01] <hamitron> :-o
[1:01] <megaproxy> hostname: longjohnsilver
[1:01] <megaproxy> or some shit
[1:02] <megaproxy> :X
[1:02] <hamitron> "other" ;/
[1:02] <megaproxy> sorry
[1:02] <megaproxy> 2 :D
[1:02] <megaproxy> but this one wont boot anymore
[1:02] <megaproxy> i just got it working...
[1:02] <megaproxy> now its just a black screen
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[1:02] <hamitron> to think I delayed ordering, to give others a chance to get 1, (read "one").....
[1:03] <hamitron> means I have less distractions for longer too I guess
[1:03] <NucWin> i want my one dammit
[1:03] <hamitron> same
[1:03] <hamitron> :/
[1:03] <hamitron> ideally for the xmas break
[1:03] <megaproxy> i did only order one..
[1:04] <NucWin> wondering which will be first my pi or ICS for my desire HD
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[1:07] <Gadgetoid> http://www.gadgetoid.com/rpi/breadboarduino-ir.jpg just got to grab all the codes from my IR remote and hard-code 'em into my sketch to send serial commands to my Pi :D
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[1:19] <dirty_d3> Gadgetoid, nice
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[1:29] <chbg> On Debian Squeeze, my mouse and keyboard become inoperable after I run X. Can someone help me troubleshoot this? I don't know where to start.
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[2:05] <oneadvent> hi i was trying to compile http://www.gcat.org.uk/emul/ on raspberry pi, using raspbmc. Can someone direct me to how this could be done? I am getting a compiling error but according to the README.TXT I have met the requirements
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[2:09] <SpeedEvil> What is the error?
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[2:14] -jtrucks- [Global Notice] - A reminder that at 2PM UTC on Saturday we have our long awaited services upgrade and database prune. All nicks unused for 150 days or more will be dropped from the database. Please make sure you have identified to your accounts and used your grouped nicks before the upgrade begins. Thank you!
[2:14] <aaa801> o lord thats gona be a big prune
[2:14] -jtrucks- [Global Notice] - Our services upgrade is scheduled for 2PM UTC on Saturday. We expect services to be unavailable for up to an hour, so please plan your channel management accordingly. Thank you!
[2:14] * Thorn_ prunes aaa801
[2:14] * IT_Sean prunes Thorn_
[2:15] * aaa801 Prunes IT_Sean
[2:15] * IT_Sean prunes aaa801's mum
[2:15] <aaa801> >_<
[2:15] * aaa801 lobs a raspberry pi at IT_Sean
[2:15] * IT_Sean takes the raspi, plugs it in, and beginds fiddling with it
[2:15] <aaa801> Dont you have one yet :P?
[2:16] <IT_Sean> No, i do not. :/
[2:16] <aaa801> :(
[2:16] <aaa801> i have 2
[2:16] <IT_Sean> you greedy [censored]
[2:16] <mikey_w> braggard
[2:16] <aaa801> :P
[2:16] <mikey_w> I have none.
[2:16] <aaa801> :(, why nots
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[2:17] <NucWin> mv aaa801 /dev/nul
[2:17] <mikey_w> But I have 2 mele A1000(s) to keep me company for now.
[2:17] * aaa801 walks over to NucWins pc, types in "chmod -x chmod" runs away
[2:18] * IT_Sean walks over to aaa801's pc, rips the harddrive out of it with a big claw hammer, then tosses it off a cliff
[2:18] <PortaLu> mikey_w: Amiga's?
[2:18] <aaa801> D:
[2:18] <NucWin> Im on my mobile and it's not rooted
[2:18] * aaa801 restores from his nas >_<
[2:18] <mikey_w> No, a10(s).
[2:18] <mikey_w> soc
[2:18] <PortaLu> oh
[2:19] <NucWin> IT_Sean: hdds have not come back down in price yet please do not destroy any
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[2:19] <IT_Sean> Too late
[2:20] <mikey_w> lol
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[2:21] <aaa801> oneadvent: Whats the issue?
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[2:28] <Arch-iMac> anyone know why my usb drive keeps getting unmounted? i see in my messages - reset low speed usb device number 5 using dwc_otg
[2:28] <Syliss> ugh, the lap dock price keeps dropping on amazon
[2:32] <trevorman> Arch-iMac: it trying to draw too much current?
[2:33] <hermanhermitage> is it powered?
[2:33] <Arch-iMac> i have it connected to a powered usb hub
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[2:33] <trevorman> ah
[2:33] <trevorman> not sure then
[2:33] <hermanhermitage> does the hub provide >1200ma?
[2:34] <hermanhermitage> transient startup (or wakeup after sleep), often needs well over an amp even on tiny little drives
[2:34] <hermanhermitage> i
[2:34] <Arch-iMac> if i unplug it and plug back in i see the drive...but if i leave it idle sometime during that it kicks it......uhh i didnt think that even mattered since its powered
[2:34] <hermanhermitage> i've been burn before with ports that are hard limited to 450ma
[2:35] <hermanhermitage> sometimes there is a per port limit (correct in the standard), otherwise they share total across all ports
[2:36] <hermanhermitage> if it is power, you can hear it with your ear to the drive. it will give out a small sigh :P
[2:36] <Arch-iMac> says 5V 2.5A
[2:36] <Arch-iMac> if i unplug it nothing works
[2:36] <aaa801> i think my pi just died q_q
[2:36] <hermanhermitage> ok 2.5A should be enough to re-animate the dead
[2:37] <hermanhermitage> is it a 3.5"?
[2:37] <aaa801> WTF
[2:38] <aaa801> if i pull the power connector up a bit it works
[2:38] <Arch-iMac> yeah its a laptop drive
[2:38] <aaa801> >_<
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[2:40] <hermanhermitage> arch-imac: when i google i get alot of hits aout hub issues
[2:40] <Arch-iMac> really? dang it
[2:40] * aaa801 crys
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[2:42] <Arch-iMac> i see it when i do a lsusb
[2:43] <Arch-iMac> it just doesnt freakin mount
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[3:35] <dirty_d3> microwaved hashbrown ftw
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[3:39] <Yanluk> Hi everyone. I've asked a quoeastion yesterday re DisplayLink driver for RPi. I did manage to get some progress (I have DisplayLink screen displaying test patterns. But when I'm tryin to get drivers to work, after command make a get error: fatal error: xf86Resources.h: No such file or directory
[3:39] <Yanluk> compilation terminated. I tried to google the problem but without any luck. Would someone be able to share some light?
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[3:42] <NucWin> Yanluk http://www.google.co.uk/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=DisplayLink+arm&btnG=Search&pbx=1&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=
[3:42] <NucWin> have you tried the first two posts atleast?
[3:42] <NucWin> s/posts/results/
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[3:47] <Yanluk> NucWin<< Hi, Yeah i have read those posts (and probly 100 others, as I have been working on it for last 3 days :) ) I got the libdlo to work (that how i get the test patterns on the screen).
[3:48] <Yanluk> But problem now is to get x to work on it (or for that matter command line it self)
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[3:48] <Yanluk> NucWin<< after lsusb my device is listed as DisplayLink, but I just can't find a way to get console or x to display on it
[3:50] <Yanluk> NucWin<< and the error i desciribe above, happens when i try to get modified x module (framebufer) to work, i read that x86Resources.h should be included in Xorg-dev library, but apparently was removed in never versions
[3:54] <Dagger2> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.libdlo/334 the patch in this post should make it compile, at least
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[3:59] <tuxx> hey guys
[3:59] <tuxx> i'm getting really weird behavior when i compile my own kernel
[3:59] <tuxx> i checked out the git repo and installed the standard arm toolchain from ubuntus aptitude repository
[4:00] <tuxx> when i build a kernel .. sometimes it boots into linux but then i get alot of errors saying:
[4:00] <tuxx> error -110 whilst initialising sd card raspberry pi
[4:00] <tuxx> or it doesnt boot at all
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[4:00] <ReggieUK> what have you got in your /boot/config.txt?
[4:01] <tuxx> ReggieUK: must i adjust that?
[4:01] <tuxx> ReggieUK: i left that untouched actually
[4:01] <ReggieUK> depends what's in it :)
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[4:01] <tuxx> ReggieUK: config.txt on the first pratition of the sd card?
[4:01] <ReggieUK> yes
[4:02] <tuxx> ReggieUK: i dont have such a file
[4:02] <ReggieUK> hmmmn, not sure if you still need it or not, but try it anyway
[4:02] <ReggieUK> make a file called config.txt
[4:02] <tuxx> ReggieUK: what must be written in it?
[4:02] <ReggieUK> and put this inside it:
[4:03] <ReggieUK> init_emmc_clock=50000000
[4:03] <tuxx> thats it?
[4:03] <ReggieUK> yup
[4:03] <Yanluk> Dagger2: sorry but I can't really understand this post. How should i use this patch?
[4:04] <Dagger2> the lazy way would be to search for each line that begins with "-" and delete it (or comment it out)
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[4:05] <Dagger2> (the right way would be to save it to a file and use `patch`, but eh, it's simple enough to do manually)
[4:05] <Yanluk> Dagger2<< got it:) Will give it a go
[4:05] <tuxx> ReggieUK: have you built a kernel yourself?
[4:06] <ReggieUK> yes
[4:06] <ReggieUK> and it booted just fine
[4:06] <ReggieUK> and I didn't have to mess with anything
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[4:06] <tuxx> ReggieUK: what were the steps? git clone, build, then git clone tools, cd mkimage, python ./imagetool-uncompressed.py linux-kernel/arch/arm/zImage
[4:06] <tuxx> and copy?
[4:07] <ReggieUK> you may need some patches but if you've done a fresh git pull then it should be there
[4:07] <Dagger2> (and just for clarity: they won't actually begin with a - in displaylink.c. the - is unified diff syntax for "delete this line")
[4:07] <ReggieUK> nah, you shouldn't need to bother with the mkimage stuff
[4:07] <tuxx> ReggieUK: oh?
[4:07] <tuxx> ReggieUK: so what is the build result name?
[4:07] <tuxx> make -j8 ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi- kernel.img
[4:08] <tuxx> what should i be using as the result?
[4:08] <ReggieUK> just cp arch/arm/boot/Image /where/ever/you/want/kernel.img
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[4:08] <tuxx> oh
[4:08] <ReggieUK> have you got the latest firmware on the boot partition too?
[4:08] <tuxx> i guess?
[4:08] <tuxx> ReggieUK: i flashed the debian image
[4:08] <ReggieUK> not entirely sure how you check
[4:09] <tuxx> i dont think i can just copy the image
[4:09] <ReggieUK> ahh, that might be the issue
[4:09] <tuxx> arch/arm/boot/Image: data
[4:09] <tuxx> /media/kernel-orig.img: DBase 3 index file
[4:09] <tuxx> its not the same file format even
[4:09] <Yanluk> Dagger2: i know that will be extreamly stupid quastion, but where do I find displaylink.c
[4:09] <Yanluk> Dagger2: i think i'm starting to get realy confused
[4:09] <tuxx> ReggieUK: where do i get the latest firmware from?
[4:09] <ReggieUK> it'll be fine, just cp Image like I said
[4:10] <ReggieUK> not sure where you get the latest firmware
[4:10] <ReggieUK> but I believe it's needed for the updated mmc drivers to work correctly
[4:10] <Dagger2> no idea. try `find | grep displaylink.c`
[4:10] <ReggieUK> so if you're having issues with an sd card, that'll be why
[4:10] <ReggieUK> did it work with teh normal debian image?
[4:10] <Yanluk> Dagger2: got it, thanks
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[4:11] <tuxx> ReggieUK: hmmm weird
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[4:11] <tuxx> ReggieUK: what is the firmware even called?
[4:11] <tuxx> loader.bin?
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[4:11] <tuxx> bootcode.bin?
[4:11] <ReggieUK> no idea :D
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[4:12] <ReggieUK> tbh atm, I've been preoccupied with other stuff, so I've got the image working, used rpi-update to update kernel/firmware, apart from when I tested my kernel
[4:12] <ReggieUK> it's all been automated
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[4:13] <tuxx> ReggieUK: rpi-update?
[4:14] <tuxx> ReggieUK: ive made a small kernel patch to export the gpio-16 (led0)
[4:14] <tuxx> i wld like to test it but the damn thing wont load
[4:14] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/Rpi_kernel_compilation#Image_Generation_For_Latest_Firmware
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[4:15] <ReggieUK> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[4:16] <ReggieUK> funny you should mention exporting the led
[4:16] <ReggieUK> I was just looking at the bcm2708.c file and thinking it would be nice to re-appropriate it
[4:16] <ReggieUK> but I think you can set what triggers it anyway?
[4:17] <ReggieUK> it's just set to mmc atm
[4:17] <tuxx> yea
[4:17] <ReggieUK> I'm going to look at adding gpio-keys
[4:17] <tuxx> well i think a simple gpio_export() would make it visible in sysfs
[4:17] <tuxx> ReggieUK: i just toggled the gpio-17 earlier
[4:17] <tuxx> pin 11
[4:18] <ReggieUK> there's loads of work being done on gpio stuff
[4:18] <tuxx> well.. i would like to attach an HD44780 lcd to it
[4:18] <ReggieUK> but I specifically want gpio-keys as it's an easy way to add a simple keypad
[4:18] <tuxx> although prehaps an spi lcd would be better
[4:19] <tuxx> ReggieUK: theres a driver for that
[4:19] <ReggieUK> there was loads of hacky stuff done to the hd44780 lcds for arduino
[4:19] <tuxx> just add a platform device
[4:19] <ReggieUK> yeah, the driver's called gpio-keys :D
[4:19] <tuxx> ReggieUK: hd44780 is ultra standard
[4:19] <tuxx> but maybe spi would be nicer
[4:19] <three14> how about a simple 74hc595 shift register and HD44780 16x2 lcd?
[4:19] <tuxx> i'm not sure if i'd need to write an spi driver first though
[4:19] <ReggieUK> and sure, i've just got to set it up in bcm2708.c decide what keys I want to map to which gpios
[4:20] <three14> i have more 74hc595s than i know what do do with
[4:20] <ReggieUK> the spi driver side of things is done but you'd obviously have to set it up and send the correct bytes
[4:20] <ReggieUK> I've got a load of those too
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[4:20] <tuxx> three14: you mean you use spi to program the 74hc595s and shove it into the lcd?
[4:20] <three14> yea
[4:20] <tuxx> three14: sounds cool. yea
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[4:21] <tuxx> has anyone done anything with spi on rp?
[4:21] <tuxx> i still havent even made the myself a uart
[4:21] <three14> the lcds are dirt cheap and the shift registers can be had for next to nothing. only other thing you'd really need is a pot
[4:21] <tuxx> and the only display that works with my rp is a beamer
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[4:21] <ReggieUK> don't think I've seen any specific code but there's stuff been done with the spi
[4:21] <ReggieUK> got pots
[4:22] <ReggieUK> tux, I think you can use rpi-update to do an offline update of the sd card connected to your pc
[4:22] <ReggieUK> if you're running linux
[4:22] <three14> i got an oled 16x2 lcd from adafruit, HD44780 compatible. tested it briefly with a 74hc595. had a bit of flicker, but i'm sure thats a simple remedy
[4:23] <ReggieUK> I've got a 128x128 rgb spi lcd that I think I can use
[4:23] <ReggieUK> but tbh I think they're way to small to be practical for much
[4:23] <tuxx> i just cloned https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[4:24] <tuxx> what the hell am i supposed to do with it?
[4:24] <tuxx> cp the contents of boot to my first sd card partition?
[4:24] <three14> http://www.adafruit.com/products/823 Apparently it can also be used as a 100x16 display with some work.
[4:25] <three14> has the added perk of not needing a pot
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[4:26] <tuxx> three14: have you built your own kernel? :)
[4:26] <ReggieUK> not sure Tuxuser, I've not had to mess with it myself
[4:26] <ReggieUK> my kernel just worked :D
[4:26] <ReggieUK> meh, autocompletefail
[4:26] <tuxx> ReggieUK: how annoying :)
[4:26] <three14> last time i built my own was 3yrs ago in gentoo. not yet for the pi
[4:26] <tuxx> three14: :D
[4:28] <three14> scratching my head tonight over this monoprice wifi dongle. pretty sure i've got everything set up correctly, but it hangs and reboots the pi and a lot of other odd issues. starting to think it's because it's drawing too much power...
[4:28] <three14> ...but i left the hub at work
[4:29] <Yanluk> Dagger2: thanks that did let me compile the drivers
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[4:32] <ReggieUK> three14, I've had issues with a couple of bluetooth dongles tonight
[4:32] <ReggieUK> all the time they're plugged into my hub, the usb keyboard plays up
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[4:32] <ReggieUK> but if I have the hub in one port and the bluetooth in the other port it works fine
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[4:36] <three14> i've had a lot of sporadic issues with the usb, at times it's like a game of 'musical usb ports'. at first i went through 3 kbs before i found one with zero issues. got lucky on the cheap mouse. minor annoyances really.
[4:37] <three14> the wifi dongle is an infamous RTL8188CUS. plenty about those on the forums
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[4:47] <ReggieUK> I would look at the usb cables you're using too
[4:48] <ReggieUK> I've seen 0.5v drop on the 5v rail due to cabling
[4:48] <rvalles> pretty weird
[4:48] <rvalles> look at the voltages @ start point
[4:48] <ReggieUK> well, 1 was a cable, teh other was plugging a powered usb hub in
[4:48] <rvalles> perhaps you're not giving enough voltage to the pi to begin with.
[4:48] <rvalles> oh, powered hubs.
[4:48] <ReggieUK> it's getting plenty of power
[4:48] <ReggieUK> it's got a 7ah 12v battery feeding it at the moment
[4:49] <ReggieUK> it's getting a solid 4.89v
[4:50] <three14> i tried a kindle charger at 850mA, the iPhone charger at 1000mA, and the massive iPad charger at 2100mA. All the same. Haven't busted out the multimeter yet.
[4:50] <three14> shortest usb cable i have is about 3ft.
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[4:51] <tech2077> finally, i made something "useful" with the i2c bus
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[4:52] <three14> i'm pretty sure the wifi dongle wouldn't use over 140mA, but it might ask for 500mA.
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[4:52] <ReggieUK> my psu is rated 12v 4amps for the hub
[4:52] <tech2077> i'm taking the reading from a tmp102 chip, and piping it out to a PCA8574 io expander so it displays the room temp in binary
[4:52] <ReggieUK> with a 7805 5v 1.5amp regulator
[4:53] <ReggieUK> I believe it's also got 750ma polyfuses on each port
[4:53] <three14> again, i haven't yet tested it with a powered hub, and i can't tonight because it's an hour away at work
[4:53] <ReggieUK> imho the power provision on the pi is poor
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[4:54] <three14> yea, but we'll have to deal with it until the supplies are more abundant, then we can mod them a bit
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[4:55] <three14> not doing anything risky until i have the luxary of ordering a replacement and having it here within 3days max
[4:55] <three14> i suppose if all else fails i can chop up a usb extension cable and supplying my own 5v source for whatever is plugged in
[4:57] <three14> right now the pi looks like the octopus from 20,000 leagues under the sea
[4:57] <three14> and just as dangerous
[4:57] <ReggieUK> I think I've got some polyfuses
[4:57] <ReggieUK> although their probably not useful in this situation as they're through hole
[4:58] <three14> what's your f3 polyfuse labeled?
[4:58] <ReggieUK> 7
[4:58] <ReggieUK> so it's 700ma
[4:58] <three14> same here. but i was certain it was supposed to be larger
[4:58] <ReggieUK> it was supposed to be 1.1amp
[4:59] <three14> yea, that's right. i think i saw it in the schematic or something. wonder why the change was made?
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[5:07] <mikey_w> The schematic is different. And you're surprised? Welcome to the real world.
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[5:08] <three14> surprised? not in the slightest. curious? yes.
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[5:09] <mikey_w> Wrong tape may have been loaded on the pick and place machine.
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[5:13] <three14> possibly. but i would that that after a spool or two they'd have caught the mistake. noo worries, though. i'll work with it.
[5:13] <chbg> ReggieUK: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[5:13] <three14> think*
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[5:16] <ReggieUK> ?
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[5:20] <mythmon> hi. I just hooked up my pi, and the hdmi output is flickering on my monitor. the system appears to have booted fine, but the monitor will be on for a split second, then go black for about 5 seconds
[5:22] <tuxx> ReggieUK: good lord i am simply unable to boot a damn kernel wtf is wrong with this crap
[5:22] <mythmon> just double checked the hdmi connection, it isn't loose
[5:23] <tuxx> ReggieUK: which image are you using btw/
[5:23] <ReggieUK> debian
[5:27] <trevorman> mythmon: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Interference_visible_on_a_HDMI_or_DVI_monitor
[5:27] <trevorman> read the next FAQ as well
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[5:30] <three14> hmm, anyone using hexxeh's raspbian-r3 image? just wrote it to the extra sdcard. at login i use root and pass 'hexxeh', displays motd.tail for a split second, then kicks me back to login. ideas?
[5:31] <mythmon> trevorman: fantastic, thank you.
[5:31] <mythmon> hdmi boost fixed the issue, which is odd because i am using a 3ft cable.
[5:31] <Decepshun> but it's probably not GOLD PLATED! USE MONSTER CABLE! :P
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[5:32] <trevorman> depends on the quality + length of the cable and interaction between your display and the RPi *shrug*
[5:32] <Decepshun> I use 15' HDMI cable with no issues
[5:32] <trevorman> I need to set the config_hdmi_boost for reliable detection of a signal. If I don't and I put the display into standby then it doesn't always recognise that there is a signal when I turn it back on again.
[5:33] <ReggieUK> g'night all
[5:33] <trevorman> its not just the RPi though. I've got an old PPC Mac Mini and it did the same thing.
[5:33] <trevorman> Night
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[5:35] <mythmon> is there a specific channel for things regarding arch on the rpi, or is this channel appropriate for that?
[5:35] <mythmon> i don't have questions yet, i have reading to do, but i will later.
[5:35] <three14> this chan is probably your best bet for now
[5:36] <mythmon> cool
[5:40] <Decepshun> there is #archlinux-arm
[5:40] <Decepshun> since rpi has an ARM proc...it might have some additional help
[5:42] <three14> anyone at all out there using Hexxeh's Raspbian R3 image?
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[5:44] <BHSPitMonkey> My new brethrin!
[5:49] <rvalles> three14: why that specific image?
[5:50] <rvalles> three14: once you upgrade whatever, it *should* be the same
[5:50] <rvalles> three14: I'm on raspbian, not sure if I can help.
[5:51] <three14> just needed an image to try on a second card. wasn't sure if i'd somehow borked my config files trying to set up wifi or if it's a power issue.
[5:52] <three14> just an odd error to have, login as root, flashes the motd.tail, then kicks me back to login. attwempting to ssh in just kills the connection.
[5:55] <three14> tbh, i'd prefer the most minimal image/install possible. don't need X or anything.
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[6:53] <Arch-iMac> who is working on debian squeeze?
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[6:55] <b0g> deathmatch?
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[7:00] <Arch-iMac> no...i have debian squeeze running with a 5v 800mA ps and its acting wierd....keyboard sticks and my usb hd coeected to a powered hub doesnt work....in fact whats wierd is the cable thats supposed to connect to the hub on the pi sorta powered the pi before it goes into a constant reboot
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[7:04] <NiteSnow> is there a decent XBMC distro that actually works for the raspberry pi
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[7:07] <three14> openelec/xbmc worked perfectly for me
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[7:13] <NiteSnow> three14, the latest build doesn't boot for me.
[7:14] <NiteSnow> I installed it by using dd if=openelec.img of=/dev/sdd
[7:14] <NiteSnow> which should be correct.
[7:14] <three14> try with bs=1M
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[7:18] <NiteSnow> kk one sec
[7:21] <Xark> Hi, does anybody know why when I run Quake3 I get "173388504: vchiq_lib: Very incompatible VCHIQ library - cannot retrieve driver version"? I installed with these instructions -> http://mitchtech.net/install-quake-3-on-raspberry-pi/
[7:23] <Xark> N/M, found the answer... http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5037&p=92585 (incompatible Quake3 build)
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[8:14] -mrmist- Our services upgrade and database prune is scheduled to start at 2pm GMT, which is just slightly less than 7 hours away. There will be no chanserv or nickserv for around an hour. Consider opping up on your channels in advance of the outage. More messages to follow.
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[8:21] -mrmist- The observant ones noticed that my last message contained an error, it's 8 hours away from how. Remember also that this outage will contain our database prune. Nicks older than 150 days unused will be dropped from the nickserv database. Remember to identify to your accounts and use your alt nicks. THanks!
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[8:50] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. Looks like I lost interwebs overnight.
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[9:23] <Arch-iMac> anyone know where to get ferdora remix?
[9:24] <three14> i think the fedora arm installer will fetch and write it for you
[9:24] <three14> at least in windows :-\
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[9:25] <Arch-iMac> three14: what are you running?
[9:29] <three14> Arch-iMac, at the moment the desktop is running win7 (netflix and all)
[9:29] <three14> the pi is rnning raspbian
[9:34] <three14> i'm missing a step after adding a new user. i have a custom bash.bashrc in /etc/, root is able to use the colorful prompt no problem, but my user cannot unless i source /etc/profile . what am i missing?
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[9:42] <three14> pfft, disregard the previous issue. :-)
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[10:15] <bfdb> hi
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[11:02] <gordonDrogon> morning!
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[11:11] <netman87> okey someone tell me address where is RS offices... im bored of waiting so im gonna go and get it by myself... (or just send random while flour to them with creepy card)
[11:12] <netman87> hope waffle flours make them send my RPi faster
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[11:16] <hermanhermitage> hah
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[11:16] <three14> yea, for real. I mean, I already have one Pi from Element 14, and I already ordered a month ago from RS for the second one. They said it'd be dispatched within 3wks.
[11:17] <three14> no way to log in and check the status from what i can tell.
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> bear in-mind that the margins on the Pis are as low as a low thing, so while RS and Farnell want to ship them, there's only so much they appear to be willing to do - e.g. Farnell shipping by letter post (cheap)
[11:18] <hermanhermitage> RS seem very slow
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> I think RS send people the "invite" email when they estimate the time to delivery is 3 weeks or less, but it seems it might be a day or 3 more sometimes.
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[11:19] <hermanhermitage> also with RS i couldnt work out which country i was ordering from
[11:19] <three14> I don't mind waiting. THe second one will probably go to a friend. But I have heard nothing but terrible things about RS
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> I got my RS Pi 2 weeks 6 days after the invite - my farnell one came 4 days after the final conformation.
[11:19] <hermanhermitage> with farnell/element14 to my surprise they made it easy
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[11:19] <gordonDrogon> just be patient.
[11:19] <three14> i'm fine. i can wait a few more months if need be.
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> if your taht desperate then pay ?55 for one off ebay.
[11:19] * haltdef flicks steam and slow internet connection
[11:19] <haltdef> hurry up pls
[11:20] <hermanhermitage> or SSH into mine, its on the net
[11:20] <hermanhermitage> i was hoping to set it up on a webcam for people
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[11:20] <haltdef> you could just take a photo of it
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[11:21] <three14> ooh, someone try sshing into hermanhermitage's Pi
[11:21] <mythos> use a gif with flashing leds... that's good enough ;)
[11:21] <hermanhermitage> hah
[11:21] <three14> that's an idea.
[11:21] <AthomIk> raspberrypi have 12x or 25x M ram ?
[11:21] <hermanhermitage> 256Megabyte
[11:22] <three14> just have a gif of the pi with flashing leds, then throw goatse in the last few frames
[11:22] <haltdef> do research, the specs are very well known
[11:22] <hermanhermitage> subtract minimum of 32MB for GPU
[11:22] <AthomIk> humm archilinux image give 12x to video ?
[11:22] <hermanhermitage> three14: sick puppy
[11:22] <three14> hermanhermitage, could be worse. could be 1guy1jar.
[11:23] <AthomIk> exist minimum sd card image for boot on usb hdd ?
[11:23] <hermanhermitage> i'm doing my best to keep it clean i figure rpi is good for 7 & up
[11:23] <three14> just as long as they don't physically handle it
[11:23] <three14> nearly broke off the smoothing cap one day 1
[11:23] <hermanhermitage> yeah they can ssh in safely :P
[11:24] <haltdef> the fat32 partition only needs to hold 40MB or so
[11:24] <three14> haltdef, mine is /dev/mmcblk0p1 75M 34M 42M 46% /boot
[11:24] <AthomIk> mini sd in sd adaptator is a bad way, not work ?
[11:25] <three14> 42MB
[11:25] <haltdef> my pi uses a microsd just fine
[11:25] <hermanhermitage> athomik: i use adapter
[11:25] <three14> microsd in sd adapter 'might' work. i have a 2gb that works. but it spits out errors for 30sec before finishing boot
[11:25] <hermanhermitage> i use adapter fine, but every connector in a system raises the chances of errors...
[11:25] <AthomIk> when i use micro sd in adaptator i havent raspberry run, not at tv, only red light
[11:26] <haltdef> I fin those adapters stop working very easily
[11:26] <haltdef> find
[11:26] <three14> it's hit or miss for mine.
[11:27] <three14> after i got the 8gb cards partitioned and chock full of goodness, i put the microsd back in the DS Lite's R4.
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[11:28] <AthomIk> with debian image, user : pi and passwd : rasperry not work.....
[11:28] <hermanhermitage> raspBerry
[11:28] <three14> raspberry*
[11:28] <hermanhermitage> lowercase B
[11:29] <hermanhermitage> or try "suse" if its an old image perhaps
[11:29] <saschi> :)
[11:29] <hermanhermitage> me Element14 instructions said suse
[11:29] <hermanhermitage> the pb thing is quite tricky
[11:29] <hermanhermitage> in english words
[11:30] <AthomIk> debian6-19-04-2012.img is not the last ?
[11:30] <three14> for more info about the stupidity of english, see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_dc65V7DV8
[11:31] <AthomIk> have you url ftp for debian raspberry last image ?
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[11:32] <AthomIk> debian6-19-04-2012.img is not the last image ?
[11:32] <AthomIk> :D
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[11:32] <Arch-iMac> AthomIk: thats the last image...then do a rpi-update
[11:33] <hermanhermitage> heh nice youtube link
[11:33] <three14> hermanhermitage, it's a favorite. mostly because the guy is 102
[11:33] <AthomIk> have you the good cmd line for test debian6-19-04-2012.img in qemu debian ?
[11:36] <three14> AthomIk, I don't. Sorry. You may want to check the forums.
[11:36] <hermanhermitage> how well does the qemu stuff work? i figure it basically just gives you arm11 right? no GPU etc...
[11:37] <hermanhermitage> none of the special raspberry sauce
[11:37] <three14> it's quite slow, i hear.
[11:37] <three14> oooh, the script kiddies stopped DDoSing raspberrypi.org, eh?
[11:38] <three14> pathetic butthurt kids that are probably mad over availability.
[11:38] <hermanhermitage> is it under attack?
[11:38] <three14> not now, but for two days or so it was
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[11:39] <hermanhermitage> the mind boggles
[11:39] <three14> https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/213361512323096577
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[11:41] <three14> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=8398
[11:41] <three14> both of those are about the DDoS
[11:42] <hermanhermitage> they should just sit behind cloudflare or something
[11:42] <hermanhermitage> keep the scallywags at bay
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[11:44] <dwatkins> why would someone do that? :(
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[11:46] <three14> like i said, they were probably butthurt about not being able to score a Pi
[11:46] <dwatkins> how unbelievably childish
[11:46] <three14> most of the hate toward the Pi on the net seems to stem from people not being able to get one.
[11:47] <three14> It's like hackaday comments, but throughout the entire web
[11:47] <Arch-iMac> anyone running raspbian? if so what image?
[11:48] <three14> someone will be like "I wonder if Android is possible" which is followed up by "pfft, just get a cotton candy"
[11:48] <dwatkins> three14: I've stopped reading comments on youtube and hackaday, it makes me lose faith in humanity ;)
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[11:49] <hermanhermitage> pity the foundation underestimated the interest from the hacker community
[11:49] <three14> i've had a few people tell me that exact same thing, about the cotton candy. but i don't think they realize that it doesn't have gpio pins. pretty myuch most of the appeal about the Pi
[11:49] <hermanhermitage> they should have instigated a ticket system
[11:49] <dwatkins> I don't know anything about the numbers, but I thought they were making them as fast as they could.
[11:49] <hermanhermitage> i signed up to the forums very early, maybe in the first 100
[11:49] <hermanhermitage> it would be good if they handed out tickets based on when you signed up
[11:49] <three14> even a crappy poll would have given them better numbers to go off of
[11:49] <dwatkins> [having them made, since it's being done in another country]
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[11:50] <three14> i still worry about the Pi going into classrooms as-is.
[11:51] <hermanhermitage> another challenge is the distribution channel RS/Farnell
[11:51] <dwatkins> three14: I tend to agree, although I don't know how they might include it in the curriculum, it just seems unlikely it will be very useful.
[11:52] <hermanhermitage> my experience is Farnell exists simply for ripping off people in companies who are building prototypes. I dont see them as a distribution channel for an "at cost" item
[11:52] <Arch-iMac> three14: lol i know you are running raspbian...which image did you use? hexxeh or pisces
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> I'm pretty sure it'll be boxed for classrooms - they're producing a kit as I understand it..
[11:52] <hermanhermitage> i'd like to see the Pi's at kmart or equiv
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[11:52] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: I hope it does work out well in schools, I can imagine it being something that's used rarely, or worse that they get stolen/broken easily
[11:52] <three14> dwatkins, from what i saw on a BBC video, the kids were just reading and re-typing some code that was printed out on a sheet of paper, then wiring up and led just like it was on that same sheet
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> saw a news article recently about a firm on Devon (near where I live) making the injection moulded cases for the modMyPi lot too...
[11:53] <dwatkins> ahh, those were the days - typing in games from a magazine... ;)
[11:53] <three14> seemed the only challenge was ability to type and distinguish true from false.
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> it's a start. anything better than learning word/excell is a start.
[11:53] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: I look forward to getting my ModMyPo case soon.
[11:54] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: indeed, I hope it leads a lot of kids to learn more
[11:54] <Beschwa> pp
[11:54] <three14> now in a high school setting. i think you could implement it much better
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[11:54] <gordonDrogon> http://www.torbaydevelopmentagency.co.uk/tda-index/tda-latestnews/tdanews2012/pr3458.htm
[11:54] <dwatkins> A friend of mine teaches ICT, he pointed out that the school might look at the Pi and consider that it's not much different from buying a PC, since it still needs a keyboard, mouse and display
[11:54] <three14> possibly a bit earlier, maybe 12-14yrs of age.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> but I don't really know who/what/why the modmypi lot are aiming their case at.
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> Ah, foind their site. Seems they're Devon based anyway!
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo for Devon ...
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> https://www.modmypi.com/contact.php
[11:55] <dwatkins> hooray for industries that aren't farmed out to other continents
[11:55] <three14> plus, consider the annoyances most of us have had. high power devices in the usb slots, scrambling to find just the right psu, keyboard, mouse, POWERED hub, etc, etc.
[11:56] <tobyy> ur welcome to test your stuff on my 11year old son... hopefully soon there will be good worksheets/excises to help him
[11:56] <three14> honestly i don't see many schools playing that game of mix and match til you find a good combination
[11:56] <Arch-iMac> three14: thats exactly what im doing
[11:56] <dwatkins> three14: indeed, the only real benefit I can see for a school is that each child could have their own SD card
[11:56] <dwatkins> tobyy: yeah, I suspect the Pi will be much more popular at home than in schools in general
[11:56] <three14> or, at $35 USD, their own Pi
[11:57] <dwatkins> yep
[11:57] <tobyy> ye i got him to install squeeze himself.. but then we got a bit lost for easy stuff to do while he learns
[11:57] <three14> I don't think each kid needs their own, either, but for the price, they could choose to buy one like they have in school, and not break their parents' pockets (at least until they have to pour out $70 in accessories)
[11:57] <dwatkins> that live coding environment looks neat
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[11:57] <tobyy> ye each child can use there own SD card
[11:58] <dwatkins> make raspberries bounce and see the changes in the code as you write them
[11:58] <tobyy> like we used to with flooppys
[11:58] <dwatkins> perhaps someone will make a case that can easily be locked to a desk
[11:58] <Arch-iMac> i dont miss the floppy days
[11:58] <hermanhermitage> did they have lessons at school?
[11:58] <dwatkins> we had computing lessons in secondary school
[11:59] <dwatkins> we learned desktop publishing in GEM, how to write simple BASIC programs to draw graphs etc. on the BBC Micro
[12:00] <hermanhermitage> 10 GCOL 3, RND(15): MOVE RND(1280), RND(1024): MOVE RND(1280),RND(1024): PLOT 85,RND(1280),RND(1024): GOTO 10
[12:00] <hermanhermitage> or something like that
[12:00] <dwatkins> hermanhermitage: heh, guess what I wrote in beebem just an hour ago.... something very similar, just as a test
[12:00] <three14> i really don't like they layout of the pi, how the connectors stick out from every side of the board. sure, it's a compact design, but grab your pi right now and try to move it with a bunch of crap plugged in. it's a huge pain, and i'd imagine that'd be an issue in schools too.
[12:00] <bfdb> three14: lot's of people feel that way
[12:00] <Arch-iMac> yeah i dont like that either
[12:00] <dwatkins> rep.:gcol 3,rnd(7):plot 85,rnd(1280),rnd(1024):until 0
[12:00] <tobyy> in DT they can make there own plastic case
[12:00] <Arch-iMac> i wish it was all on one side
[12:01] <bfdb> three14: even having the ethernet/usb lining up would have been nice
[12:01] <hermanhermitage> dtwakins: you structured programmer!
[12:01] <bfdb> Arch-iMac: there's always the mele 1000
[12:01] <three14> they could have made it a bit bigger. i don't think anyone would care. plus they might have room for proper mounting holes.
[12:01] <dwatkins> hermanhermitage: I am? I'm not sure why you say that, but I'm honoured.
[12:01] <tobyy> just use the box which the pie came in.. and cut out holes
[12:01] <Arch-iMac> bfdb: thats a android only isnt it?
[12:01] <AthomIk> hey i use debian image, and and log, my keyboard send raaaapberrrrrrryyyyyyyyyy or other ?
[12:01] <hermanhermitage> i never got much past goto
[12:01] <bfdb> Arch-iMac: nope, they've already got ubuntu working on it
[12:02] <AthomIk> i use a 5.1V 0.7a phone charger, is not good ?
[12:02] <dwatkins> tobyy: I considered that - if they dlivered it in a slightly thicker cardboard box, they could have it turn into a case with perforations etc.
[12:02] <Arch-iMac> AthomIk: i have that same issue on mine
[12:02] <bfdb> AthlonRob: yes, it's good
[12:02] <Arch-iMac> AthomIk: nope...seems you need better
[12:02] <three14> i ordered a Pi Box from Adafruit. We'll see how that works. I just hate not being able to mount it myself with screws.
[12:02] <AthomIk> Arch-iMac: yes and ssh is not running !!!
[12:02] <dwatkins> three14: I've been looking into building a case from Lego.
[12:02] <AthomIk> pfffff
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> hermanhermitage, I have a BASIC that runs on the Pi..
[12:03] <bfdb> three14: Yeah, it looks nice, I just can't help feeling it would look worse in real life than their promo shots
[12:03] <three14> dwatkins, i did that a few days ago and it was jank. :'(
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[12:03] <dwatkins> three14: not sure I understand 'jank'
[12:03] <Arch-iMac> bfdb: i donno..i have a 5v .850a and i get the same thing...plus my usb drive doesnt want to stay mounted...i did a volt meter test and i was getting like 4.73
[12:03] <tobyy> within a year we will all have cases
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> coffee time.
[12:03] <three14> dwatkins, jank = crappy, low quality, problematic, etc
[12:03] <bfdb> Arch-iMac: use a powered hub
[12:03] <hermanhermitage> gordonDrogon: which basic?
[12:03] <dwatkins> three14: ah I see, hopefully I'll have a ModMyPi case soon
[12:04] <AthomIk> is raspbian use ssh as default ?
[12:04] <bfdb> three14: lego is abs plastic, perhaps if you glued it
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[12:04] <Arch-iMac> bfdb: i am...still not working as intended
[12:04] <bfdb> dwatkins: ditto
[12:04] <dwatkins> a friend of mine ported Spectrum BASIC to Linux, he's looking into it on the Pi, I think.
[12:04] <dwatkins> 'specbas'
[12:04] <Arch-iMac> AthomIk: yes as does debian squeeze
[12:04] <hermanhermitage> i guess python or javacript i the new basic
[12:04] <chancellorsmith> i fancy playing with LOGO on my pi with my son (3 years) wonder how that'll go !
[12:04] <three14> i'd like to build one out of quality wood, but i'm sure as hell not cutting holes in all 4 sides. I'll have to use extensions and whatnot to put all of the connectors on the back
[12:05] <AthomIk> Arch-iMac: no in debian image, not ssh run
[12:05] <dwatkins> three14: I'd be concerned a wooden case might get too hot, even though the Pi is quite low temperature
[12:05] <hermanhermitage> yeah LOGO would be good
[12:05] <hermanhermitage> would be cool if someone makes a robot with a slot in it to take the PI
[12:05] <bfdb> three14: that is what it_sean is planning to do
[12:05] <Arch-iMac> AthomIk: i dont understand
[12:06] <tobyy> make a wooden box same size as pi then cover it in plastic then cut open and remove the wood then place pi inside
[12:06] <three14> could always add a crappy tmp36 sensor to it. it's gonna have to be big enough to house a powered hub too.
[12:06] <AthomIk> Arch-iMac: i see my raspberry on the lan, but i cannot connect whit SSH
[12:07] <Arch-iMac> AthomIk: what did you install? rasbian or debian squeeze?
[12:07] <bfdb> three14: I think it would be easy to use a thin cable to get the power micro usb coming out the same end as the ethernet
[12:07] <AthomIk> Arch-iMac: debian squeeze a this time
[12:07] <hermanhermitage> i think the real winner out of the PI is going to be linux
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[12:07] <tobyy> and the kids!
[12:07] <bfdb> hermanhermitage: what else is there?
[12:08] <Arch-iMac> AthomIk: i know for a fact ssh runs on that
[12:08] <dwatkins> hermanhermitage: yeah, a browser-controlled wifi robot would be neat
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[12:08] <hermanhermitage> bfdb: well alot of the kids have a ipod touch i guess
[12:08] <hermanhermitage> linux is so much more complicated than the apple][ and bbc i learnt on
[12:08] <hermanhermitage> but kids learn so fast
[12:09] <frankivo> coding for apple isnt quite easy too
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[12:09] <hermanhermitage> also learning ARM is much harder than me learning 6502 back in the day
[12:09] <hermanhermitage> but kids will lap it up
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[12:09] <hermanhermitage> windows will take a hit
[12:10] <hermanhermitage> windows+VS used to be a basic dev platform for many
[12:10] <hermanhermitage> but with raspberry pi getting them onto linux first... its great!
[12:10] <bfdb> hermanhermitage: windows will not take a hit
[12:10] <Arch-iMac> windows will def not take a hit
[12:10] <bfdb> hermanhermitage: the pi is a niche product, it will be at least 3 or 4 years until these sorts of products are replacing desktop computers
[12:11] <three14> you need something flashy to turn kids onto it. they all have xboxes at home. they're not going to be impressed with a brisk game of xbill.
[12:11] <bfdb> three14: so the pi needs to run cod?
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[12:11] <three14> if you can 'wow' them, there's a better chance that they'll take interest.
[12:12] <dwatkins> three14: yeah, and text on the screen won't get them excited about programming either, sadly
[12:12] <hermanhermitage> i agree and disagree
[12:12] <hermanhermitage> any kid interewted in going deep will be able to
[12:12] <three14> no, but the pi needs something that a desktop doesn't have
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[12:12] <bfdb> three14: portability?
[12:12] <three14> the pi doesn't have that
[12:12] <three14> maybe naked with nothing plugged in
[12:12] <hermanhermitage> haters!
[12:13] <bfdb> sure it does, you can just pick it up and bring it to school, they have monitors there, you have monitors at home
[12:13] <dwatkins> I walked over to a friend's house with my Pi, had my keyboard attached to the outside of my rucksack
[12:13] <hermanhermitage> price is key to me
[12:13] <hermanhermitage> there will be some under priviledged who will make good
[12:13] <dwatkins> price for the bare unit, or everything, hermanhermitage?
[12:13] <three14> it takes up a ton of desk space too. i don't know about the rest of you, but we didn't have a ton of table space in our computer labs in my school
[12:13] <hermanhermitage> a kid who owns his own pi
[12:13] <hermanhermitage> stuck in some housing estate
[12:14] <hermanhermitage> and some quite space at school to use it
[12:14] <hermanhermitage> quiet even
[12:14] <bfdb> three14: you could probably embed it into a keyboard
[12:14] <three14> female headers on the gpio would be nice too
[12:14] <dwatkins> they need a TV with composite in or HDMI in, which most have, so the cost is for the Pi, keyboard and mouse, plus cables and power supply
[12:14] <hermanhermitage> stolen phone charger
[12:14] <hermanhermitage> from mum or dad
[12:14] <hermanhermitage> keyboard stolen from anywhere
[12:14] <dwatkins> hermanhermitage: heh, I used my Tomtom charger
[12:14] <bfdb> dwatkins: most monitors will have dvi
[12:15] <dwatkins> bfdb: true, but that requires another adapter, so extra cost
[12:15] <three14> i sat in front of an old tv for an hour with the pi on composite. you're not gonna code at that resolution and quality
[12:15] <hermanhermitage> think of the kid with the brain of alan turing but parents who cant educate them
[12:15] <bfdb> if your monitor doesn't have dvi, then it isn't worth having
[12:15] <bfdb> dwatkins: dvi-hdmi adapters don't cost anything because it's just digital > digital
[12:15] <bfdb> it's not like converting vga > dvi, which gets pretty expensive
[12:16] <dwatkins> bfdb: yeah, I appreciate it's not a lot, but it all adds up
[12:16] <three14> my hdmi-dvi adapter had analog pins on it too, wouldn't plug into my monitor, had to yank them out with foreceps
[12:16] <dwatkins> also, the kid buying all this needs to know, or needs a ready made kit
[12:16] <bfdb> dwatkins: I think the schools would supply them
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[12:16] <three14> dwatkins, yes, that is key. the foundation is going to have to source known good accessories.
[12:17] <three14> like RPi certified devices.
[12:17] <bfdb> school gives the kid a pi on loan for the school year, they can take it home, do whatever
[12:17] <dwatkins> bfdb: yeah, that could work well
[12:17] <bfdb> learn python
[12:17] <hermanhermitage> hah i wrote all my best code in 40 columns on a tv
[12:18] <mythos> don't forget the usb-hub
[12:18] <hermanhermitage> the irony is once i could cut and paste from the internet on a 24" monitor, suddenly the crap i was producing was worth big bucks...
[12:18] <three14> but not in X, hermanhermitage
[12:18] <bfdb> hermanhermitage: print boobs?
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[12:18] <hermanhermitage> yeah X is one of the uglier parts of the equation
[12:18] <hermanhermitage> i've never really meshed with it
[12:18] <three14> it's nice to have as an option
[12:18] <hermanhermitage> yeah def, mos def
[12:19] <bfdb> mythos: If it's just a basic mouse and keyboard then you won't really need a hub
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb3.png
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb1.png
[12:19] <dwatkins> neat, gordonDrogon
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb4.png
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[12:20] <gordonDrogon> rtb4.png is running in qemu before I got a real pi..
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[12:20] <gordonDrogon> not sure what to do with it really. it's got all sorts of commands built-in to access the GPIO and a remote Arduino/Atmega connected via serial too.
[12:20] <mythos> bfdb, as long the raspi does not fulfil the usb-specs (500 mA), there are plenty cases you need one. also does the a-version only have one usb-port
[12:20] <bfdb> lxde is so frigging ugly
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[12:20] <gordonDrogon> I use xfce4 now.
[12:20] <Arch-iMac> i like xfce4
[12:21] <hermanhermitage> yeah its nice
[12:21] <dwatkins> A case with a built-in powersupply and powered hub might be useful, so all you need to do is connect an ICE/kettle lead to it
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> I moved to it for my desktop & laptops just over a years ago after using fvwn for about 20 years
[12:21] <bfdb> I don't have access to my pi for a week.. and I rebooted it and it didn't come back up :(
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> *fvwm
[12:21] <dwatkins> fvwm++
[12:21] <dwatkins> gutted, bfdb :(
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> something wasn't quite right in fvwm when I ugpraded my desktop to squeeze, so made the switch to xfce4 then.
[12:22] <bfdb> dwatkins: yeah, apparently some other people are experiencing that bug with raspbian
[12:22] <hermanhermitage> anyone got xmonad up :P
[12:22] <dwatkins> bfdb: useful to know, I'll watch out for it
[12:22] <three14> dwatkins, i'd buy a case like that
[12:23] <dwatkins> three14: yeah, I think it could save a lot of hassle
[12:23] <dunib> I was using wmii earlier this evening. it's not really xmonad though.
[12:23] <bfdb> dwatkins: You only have to disconnect the power to bring it back, I dunno the reason why, it's just not rebooting after it halts with either "reboot" or "shutdown -r now"
[12:23] <dwatkins> If you provided locking screws, or ones with non-standard heads, it could be useful for all kinds of applications.
[12:24] <dunib> using the console now, though. X was terribly sluggish.
[12:24] <three14> dunib, did you rpi-update?
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> depends what you need to do - I spent some time making sure my BASIC worked fine on the console.
[12:24] <three14> it sped up xfce4 slightly for me
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> for that full-on retro experience :)
[12:24] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: is it available for download?
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, er... yes.
[12:24] <dwatkins> all proper BASIC languages should work in text mode also :)
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> Hang on, I'll put up some new versions.
[12:24] <dwatkins> thanks gordonDrogon
[12:25] <hermanhermitage> EDE might be the best on a low end device
[12:25] <three14> gordonDrogon, how many extra components would be needed to interface a ps/2 keyboard to the Pi?
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[12:25] <gordonDrogon> three14, I've no idea - sorry.
[12:26] <dwatkins> three14: depending on the keyboard, you might need a special adapter. Most PS2 keyboards work fine with the tiny little adapters you get cheaply, but something old like an IBM Model M needs more.
[12:26] <dwatkins> e.g. http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/11298/subcatid/0/id/124184
[12:26] <three14> i have a few AT mechanical keyboard
[12:26] <three14> my fiance refuses to let me use them
[12:26] <dwatkins> It may also need a powered hub, of course.
[12:26] <dunib> three14: I did an aptitude update. there's no rpi-update command in my path.
[12:26] <dwatkins> I'm tempted to get one just because the Model M is a great keyboard, and I miss using mine.
[12:27] <three14> dunib: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[12:27] <bfdb> dwatkins: yeah most keyboards ship with ps/2 backwards compatibility
[12:27] <dwatkins> bfdb: yeah, most new ones just need the little purple adapters
[12:27] <hermanhermitage> three14: really? i had a girlfriend smash my Model M
[12:28] <hermanhermitage> apparently too noisy to be used in the house
[12:28] <bfdb> dwatkins: get a das
[12:28] <dunib> hermanhermitage: how did she smash it? they're built like tanks...
[12:28] <three14> hermanhermitage, exactly the reason i can't use mine. plus she's a bookworm
[12:28] <dwatkins> bfdb: yeah, that's also tempting ;) as is the happy hacking II
[12:28] <hermanhermitage> dunib: mineral turpentine!
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, if you go to http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/ then you'll find 3 executables rtb-x86-32, rtb-armel and rtb-armhf
[12:28] <hermanhermitage> the things dissolved!
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, pick one :)
[12:28] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: many thanks :)
[12:28] <bfdb> I'd definitely get a das if I could afford it
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> there are demos there too.
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[12:29] <gordonDrogon> what I need to do is sit down and finish the documentation, do more examples and create a proper debian package for it.
[12:29] <three14> should it not be nearly as simple to interface the ps/2 kb to the Pi?: http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Main/PS2Keyboard
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> was actually hoping to do some of that today as I thought my thing I am going to might be cancelled, but it's just been delayed..
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[12:30] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: if you's like a second pair of eyes for the docs, drop me a line
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[12:31] <hermanhermitage> i had my eye on a new mechnical
[12:31] <hermanhermitage> with the blue cherry switches
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[12:31] <three14> because if i can free up the usb and get some of my retired input devices back up and running. i'd gladly do it.
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[12:31] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, there is a .pdf there too - feel free to read and comment! just email me if you like - gordon@drogon.net
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[12:32] <dwatkins> great, will do gordonDrogon
[12:32] <bfdb> http://imgur.com/a/pe7Vp
[12:32] <Arch-iMac> anyone running rasbian here? can you tell me what image you used?
[12:32] <dwatkins> bfdb: haha
[12:33] <bfdb> Arch-iMac: pisces
[12:33] <three14> Arch-iMac, I used the RPi-Installer
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[12:33] <gordonDrogon> haha - neat. filled the keyboard with grass!
[12:33] <Arch-iMac> bfdb: why that one? im courious
[12:33] <tobyy> wrong type of grass for me
[12:33] <Arch-iMac> three14: it didnt give you the option?
[12:33] <three14> Arch-iMac, http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> Arch-iMac, I'm running rasbian , but I started off 4-5 weeks ago... so I'm not sure how it's being packaged up now.
[12:33] <three14> Arch-iMac, it's essentially a netinstall
[12:34] <bfdb> Arch-iMac: no reason
[12:34] <Arch-iMac> three14: ahh ok i was looking at that and the 8-9 hours
[12:34] <Arch-iMac> and decided to install the hexxeh image
[12:35] <Arch-iMac> figured it would be faster
[12:35] <bfdb> hexxeh's used to come overclocked, I dunno if it still does
[12:35] <bfdb> just a warning
[12:35] <three14> 8-9hrs? I did a base install in a little over an hour. it's slow because the installer uses older firmware/kernel without the sd patches.
[12:35] <Arch-iMac> well that would explain why it booted hella quick
[12:36] <dwatkins> wow, it's $20 to get one of those keyboard adapters shipped to the UK, I might as well buy several.
[12:36] <Arch-iMac> three14: ahh ok ill try that next...thank you
[12:36] <three14> Arch-iMac no problem.
[12:37] <three14> first thing i suggest after the install is complete is immediately doing rpi-update and setting arm_freq=900 in the config.txt
[12:37] <bfdb> three14: you should apt-get update & dist-update before that
[12:38] <Arch-iMac> three14: yeah i tried that qith debian squeeze and i got the multi colored screen before it startes to read the kernel
[12:38] <bfdb> *dist-upgrade
[12:38] <three14> bfdb, right you are, because you won't be able to install rpi-update unless you apt-get update at least once.
[12:38] <Arch-iMac> im attributing it to a not so good ps
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> I think the multi-coloured screen is a new part of the GPU setup. I think it's quite neat.
[12:38] <bfdb> you also need to setup the time before you rpi-update aswell
[12:38] <Arch-iMac> it is unless you mess with the clock rate..then not so good
[12:38] <hermanhermitage> yeah rgb colored quad
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> I certianly don't recall it in the early days.
[12:39] <hermanhermitage> it appeared after my first firmware update
[12:39] <Arch-iMac> it just means its not able to read the kernel
[12:39] <three14> bfdb, right again
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[12:40] <Arch-iMac> AthomIk: how is your ssh issue doing?
[12:40] <AthomIk> Arch-iMac: i remove mouse, an i can loggin and install ssh
[12:41] <AthomIk> but very poor speed...... sd card or cpu.....
[12:41] <Arch-iMac> AthomIk: see i dont ever remember needing to install ssh
[12:41] <dwatkins> Anyone tried compiling beebem on the Pi?
[12:41] <Arch-iMac> AthomIk: well yeah sd card is doing like 4mps, cpu at 600 mhz
[12:42] <AthomIk> Arch-iMac: i use debian6-19-04-2012.img, and no sshd by default
[12:42] <Arch-iMac> AthomIk: i think i read its the ps on the elinux.org under troubleshooting
[12:42] <Arch-iMac> AthomIk: really?? hmmm sriously i dont remember having to install that.....i must be getting old
[12:43] <bfdb> Arch-iMac: ssh is already setup with raspbian
[12:43] <Arch-iMac> bfdb: ohh yeah i know that
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[12:44] <three14> hermanhermitage, were you in here when that kid was going nuts about overclocking yesterday?
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[12:44] <hermanhermitage> :)
[12:44] <Arch-iMac> i just dont recall installing ssh on that image....maybe i just did without thinking.....i know i hardly needed to do anything to get it working
[12:44] <hermanhermitage> three14: everyone has there own thing... :P
[12:45] <three14> http://i.qkme.me/3pqiis.jpg
[12:45] <hermanhermitage> i used to love blowing things up, finding the breaking point
[12:45] <Arch-iMac> heh
[12:45] <hermanhermitage> haha
[12:45] <hermanhermitage> you never know this kid might be a natural
[12:45] <hermanhermitage> might intuitively find the absolute limit
[12:45] <three14> maybe
[12:45] <Arch-iMac> are there that many overvolters they had to mke one of those?
[12:46] <hermanhermitage> the schumacher of overclocking
[12:46] <three14> oh, you mean smoke?
[12:46] <bfdb> Arch-iMac: eben said everyone in the foundation overvolts
[12:46] <three14> Arch-iMac, i just threw it together
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[12:46] <gordonDrogon> Hm. update for firefox 13 already..
[12:46] <bfdb> gordonDrogon: get with the times old man, get rid of firefox
[12:46] <hermanhermitage> haha
[12:46] <three14> the foundation has spares. the general public doesn't.
[12:47] <hermanhermitage> i'm about to dump chrome and go to firefox
[12:47] <bfdb> why?
[12:47] <hermanhermitage> my old man got to me
[12:47] <bfdb> firefox promised they've fixed the memory issues every release
[12:47] <hermanhermitage> he runs some combination of german and chinese browsers
[12:47] <hermanhermitage> he is pushing some chrome and microsoft are government funded monitors
[12:47] <bfdb> the chinese run ie6
[12:47] <Arch-iMac> bfdb: really?
[12:47] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> bfdb, I like it - don't like chromw - yet.
[12:47] <bfdb> Arch-iMac: they lie
[12:47] <Arch-iMac> three14: ohh well that explains it
[12:47] <Arch-iMac> bfdb: lol
[12:47] <hermanhermitage> bfdb: there is a open branch of chrome i think
[12:48] <three14> did you hear about some sites will start charging a tax if you're using an older version of IE, like 7 or earlier?
[12:48] <RITRedbeard> Silly question, how do you cross compile for ARM?
[12:48] <Arch-iMac> lol i red that article to
[12:48] <bfdb> Arch-iMac: oh the eben thing? yeah he says it in one of the maker fair videos
[12:49] <three14> Arch-iMac, it was the most recent video from Maker Faire posted on raspberrypi.org. Like 20-30min long
[12:49] <bfdb> three14: It wasn't a real tax, it said it on the checkout page but it didn't apply it to the total
[12:49] <hermanhermitage> chrome is going a bit MS
[12:49] <hermanhermitage> NaCl, SPDY, maybe dart vm soon... Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
[12:50] <three14> can a web developer explain something to me? why is it that my old iphone 3gs can render pages beautifully, but the pi cannot?
[12:50] <hermanhermitage> three14: hah i wish
[12:50] <hermanhermitage> three14: my ipad1+iOS5 crashes instantly on every second site
[12:50] <three14> no issues with the ipad2 and 5.1.1, if you want me to test a page for you, just ask.
[12:50] <hermanhermitage> three14: also remember videologic and apple are tuning the driver
[12:51] <dwatkins> what browser on the Pi?
[12:51] <hermanhermitage> three14: techcrunch.com
[12:51] <hermanhermitage> three14: the rpi has no real version of X yet
[12:51] <Arch-iMac> RITRedbeard: i have that on my todo list but havent done it myself but you need to install the cross compile environment.....look up distcc i think it has the instructions on there
[12:51] <hermanhermitage> three14: the iPhone has UIKit and the CFLayer stuff, hand tuned to the small footprint
[12:52] <three14> do you do anything in particular to make techcrunch crash?
[12:52] <hermanhermitage> (sorry CALayers)
[12:52] <hermanhermitage> three14: on my ipad1, just visit it and scroll around
[12:52] <three14> seems to work fine
[12:52] <hermanhermitage> hah let me grab my ipad
[12:52] <RITRedbeard> Arch-iMac, I mean can you target ARM directly from x86 or ?
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[12:53] <Arch-iMac> RITRedbeard: yes
[12:53] <three14> although i noticed they were amongst the other douchebag sites that give you that popup that says an app is available.
[12:53] <three14> yes, thank you, i know there's an app, and it's trash
[12:53] <Arch-iMac> heh
[12:53] <dwatkins> heh, techcrunch.com offers me an iPad app
[12:53] <RITRedbeard> Just curious, has anyone compiled from Pi itself?
[12:54] <Arch-iMac> RITRedbeard: yes i have seen some chatter about it here....takes a long time to do
[12:54] <dwatkins> hermanhermitage: I suspect it's a memory thing, the iPad 1 doesn't have a lot of RAM. If you have PhoneDisk you can look at the crash log on the iPad's storage.
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[12:55] <hermanhermitage> three14?" i hate the app prompt crap
[12:55] <RITRedbeard> Arch-iMac, :(
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> right. off to Slapton for the rest of the day and it's raining cats & dogs ...
[12:55] <three14> i can try techcrunch on the 3gs
[12:55] <dwatkins> hope the weather improves, gordonDrogon :) ciao
[12:55] <frankivo> hmm, what was the name of that hardware accelerated video player
[12:55] <Arch-iMac> RITRedbeard: setup distcc to offload the compile time then its not so bad
[12:55] <three14> omxplayer?
[12:55] <frankivo> three14: ye, thanks!
[12:56] <bfdb> I don't think there's a repo for it though
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[12:56] <three14> hermanhermitage, try m.techcrunch.com
[12:56] <hermanhermitage> arg
[12:57] <three14> lol
[12:57] <hermanhermitage> no i dont want your app, no i dont want some crappy mobile site
[12:57] <hermanhermitage> :P
[12:57] <dwatkins> hermanhermitage: try http://news.ycombinator.com/news instead of Techcrunch? ;)
[12:57] <hermanhermitage> yeah i do
[12:57] <hermanhermitage> i just read techcrunch when i want to get angry
[12:58] <hermanhermitage> watch gilmorgang apple fanclub etc
[12:58] <dwatkins> heh, I read Slashdot when I want to get angry ...
[12:58] <hermanhermitage> hah still around?
[12:58] <Arch-iMac> i gave up reading slashdot
[12:58] <hermanhermitage> i thought slashdot and bluesnews died back in the 80s
[12:58] <dwatkins> yeah, although it's usually a couple days behind
[12:58] <dwatkins> reddit has some good communities
[12:58] <Arch-iMac> hermanhermitage: no i read bluesnews every day
[12:59] <hermanhermitage> but yeah hackernews is good
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[12:59] <hermanhermitage> but for crashing my iPad, techcrunch is the best
[12:59] <RITRedbeard> Arch-iMac, I was imagining myself in an environment I was stuck on an island with a Pi Top
[12:59] <hermanhermitage> three14: back to your point, web rendering can be reallymemory intensive
[12:59] <hermanhermitage> three14: these early linux+X are really not tuned
[13:00] <hermanhermitage> a chip like the BCM is set up for full screen video surfaces and EGL
[13:00] <hermanhermitage> not X
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[13:00] <mythos> so we have the old situation: no driver for x ;)
[13:00] <hermanhermitage> a good tiled web renderer might help, plus a hardware accelerated X driver and then a lower bit depth
[13:01] <hermanhermitage> mythos: its great! i spend my whole life on embedded platforms trying to get rid of X :P
[13:01] <hermanhermitage> on the rpi i can do full screen EGL and its sweet!
[13:01] <mythos> hermanhermitage, x is here to stay ;)
[13:01] <hermanhermitage> not for me
[13:01] <hermanhermitage> i do embedded terminals
[13:01] <hermanhermitage> its all DirectFB, GLES, etc
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[13:02] <hermanhermitage> and occasionally on horrid x86 platforms you have to keep X around because there is no OGL without X in many occasions
[13:02] <three14> hermanhermitage, so what can we do to speed up rendering? can we fake the useragent so we're served stripped down versions of the sites by default, disable something?
[13:02] <hermanhermitage> lynx ftw!
[13:02] <three14> take google for example. remember when google/gmail was fast?
[13:02] <hermanhermitage> three14: there are 2 hard things in life
[13:02] <three14> before they added all of the google+ crap
[13:03] <hermanhermitage> three14: factorizing large numbers
[13:03] <hermanhermitage> three14: and rendering html
[13:03] <mythos> hermanhermitage, most programs do need x... so you only solve a problem to get a new sack of problems (fewer applications)
[13:03] <hermanhermitage> mythos: sure not complaining for app ecosystem
[13:03] <hermanhermitage> mythos: but for kiosk mode you never never never want it
[13:04] <mythos> hermanhermitage, sure. but that's not what the pi is going to be used ;)
[13:04] <hermanhermitage> hah too late for mine
[13:04] <three14> so what is midori doing differently than firefox/chromium? i notice pages are rendered differently. google/gmail resemble older versions of the sites.
[13:05] <hermanhermitage> well its webkit like chromium
[13:05] <hermanhermitage> but it begins and ends there
[13:05] <three14> using the plain html version of gmail helps a lot.
[13:05] <hermanhermitage> at the risk of being burnt at the stake, i have never seen a browser in linux work
[13:05] <hermanhermitage> and i'm not trolling
[13:06] <three14> i believe you. the windows and osx counterparts have always been better, imo
[13:06] <hermanhermitage> the default fonts in firefox and chrome would burn out the eyes of a blind man
[13:06] <hermanhermitage> i copied all my windows and mac fonts across...
[13:06] <hermanhermitage> but a few hours in, i still cant get proper retail grade font rendering
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[13:07] <bfdb> yeah, ubuntu always had terrible font rendering
[13:07] <hermanhermitage> i'm pretty sure freetype is compiled with the patent thingy enabled now the patent is out of its window
[13:08] <hermanhermitage> i kinda wish i could choose the font renderer as part of the font style
[13:08] <mythos> hermanhermitage, i spend three days to get my fontrendering right. so... i yeah, it's kinda true
[13:08] <bfdb> isn't there a non-free package you can download with all that stuff?
[13:08] <hermanhermitage> i use a mac at work, and i'd like to use winxp font rendering with no cleartext, not the mac blur stuff
[13:08] <hermanhermitage> bfdb: yes msftcore fonts
[13:09] <hermanhermitage> but the thing is, i'd need to edit preferences and settings for a day or two to get it readable
[13:09] <hermanhermitage> where as out of the box on the mac and windows the browsers render ok-ish
[13:09] <bfdb> it takes you two days to edit settings?
[13:09] <hermanhermitage> hah at least
[13:09] <hermanhermitage> anyone who can send me settings to make chrome render identical to winxp+cleartextoff feel free
[13:09] <hermanhermitage> pixel-by-pixel identical
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[13:09] <bfdb> I always found that on windows 3rd party browsers didn't anti-alias like they should
[13:10] <hermanhermitage> i have anti-aliasing off
[13:10] <three14> ok, i just used the Kindle 3G/WiFi's browser. It's webkit based and still, aside from the painfully slow refreshing of eink, faster it seems.
[13:10] <hermanhermitage> tahoma et al are all designed to work with hinting on and anti-aliasing nd clear text off
[13:10] <hermanhermitage> ...</rant>
[13:11] <hermanhermitage> three14: maybe u can fork it?
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[13:11] <hermanhermitage> all the good renders on a small footprint have many man years of tiled rendering in there
[13:11] <three14> sadly my programming skills are inadequate for that. a crappy Nintendo DS Lite homebrew, sure, but not a fork of webkit.
[13:12] <hermanhermitage> not just the hardware tiling (which X isnt doing because its not accelerated), but also html rendering is tiled to keep the memory footprint down, and then they use the jpg accelerator to page static tiles into and out of compressed memory
[13:12] <hermanhermitage> the same way the iphone snapshots app images to jpg to make switching look fast
[13:13] <hermanhermitage> three14: so long story short you are comparing hand tuned, to built with no tuning
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[13:14] <hermanhermitage> three14: in theory if some genius wrote a html renderer as a GPU blob the rasp-pi would have the fastest web renderer in the world
[13:14] <hermanhermitage> they would also end up insane, gibbering about vector processing units in a mental institution
[13:14] <RITRedbeard> lol
[13:15] <hermanhermitage> #define ENABLE_IE6_COMPATIBLE_GPU_RENDERER
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[13:16] <three14> better than someone rambling about instruction sets for x86.
[13:17] <hermanhermitage> heh
[13:17] <RITRedbeard> **VAX
[13:17] <RITRedbeard> ***PowerPC
[13:18] <three14> hmm, are there any depreciated browsers still using the old pre-webkit khtml?
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[13:20] <hermanhermitage> you've convinced me to install lynx
[13:21] <RITRedbeard> lynx is alright
[13:21] <RITRedbeard> I say that you all go minimalist.
[13:21] <three14> my pi is
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[13:21] <hermanhermitage> indeed
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[13:21] <three14> has barebones xfce4 installed just in case.
[13:22] <RITRedbeard> You're all here because you're enthusiasts of a computer that is as fast as... I'm not so sure, really
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[13:22] <three14> the pi is plenty fast enough
[13:22] <RITRedbeard> I know that it is.
[13:22] <hermanhermitage> its too fast!
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> Mine isn't.
[13:22] <hermanhermitage> i'm going to send it back
[13:22] <reider59> I think this Govt will do away with Mental Institutions. Since many of them would meet the tests to be put in one.
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> I want an integrated orbital capable rocket.
[13:23] <RITRedbeard> I just spent time working on 486DX compatible chipset :)
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> I am willing to pay $5 more.
[13:23] <RITRedbeard> RDC 3xx / bifferboard
[13:23] <IrquiM> lynx is so outdated - use links instead
[13:23] <hermanhermitage> IrquiM:P really?
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: I was just using a 386 system.
[13:23] <RITRedbeard> init reports 43 bogomips or sometihng
[13:23] <RITRedbeard> or 34?
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: Garmin GPS12
[13:23] <IrquiM> yeah, links is really good
[13:23] <RITRedbeard> excellent
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[13:24] <RITRedbeard> SpeedEvil, you flash it?
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[13:24] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: No.
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: In principle it would be interesting to do so, but it would need RAM upgrade.
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> In principle, this is quite possible and easy to do in comparison to later hardware.
[13:25] <SpeedEvil> It would technically be quite trivial to boost it from 4M to 512 or something.
[13:25] <RITRedbeard> How much memory?
[13:25] <hermanhermitage> IrquiM: thanks, you are right
[13:25] <SpeedEvil> But then you're left with reverse engineering it to get the GPS function working
[13:25] <three14> Ok, so who exactly is doing the work with the gpu blob/acceleration, etc? I've already donated to Raspbian, show me where to throw money.
[13:25] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: 4M I think. Or it may have been 2
[13:25] <RITRedbeard> 4MB?
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> yes
[13:26] <RITRedbeard> Pfft!
[13:26] <RITRedbeard> Easy peasy.
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: Well - yes - but then you need to get the original functions back, rather than only linux.
[13:26] <RITRedbeard> 2MB is a little close
[13:26] <RITRedbeard> Oh.
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[13:27] <RITRedbeard> So does it use a common display type there is source for? or functionality?
[13:28] <RITRedbeard> serial GPS?
[13:28] <RITRedbeard> I2C?
[13:28] <RITRedbeard> surely
[13:28] <RITRedbeard> bit bang?
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[13:28] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: A custom GPS solution.
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[13:28] <RITRedbeard> well it's communicating somehow
[13:29] <SpeedEvil> It was produced at the time where a 386 was pretty much needed to do the heavy lifting on GPS.
[13:29] <SpeedEvil> There were few, if any standalone modules.
[13:29] <SpeedEvil> And of course not a standard display.
[13:29] <NiteSnow> three14, I got OpenELEC working I had to download the tar.gz from their site and run the sdcard_install utility.
[13:30] <three14> NiteSnow, awesome. how's it run?
[13:30] <NiteSnow> pretty good, video is quite smooth. I just have to take the time and mount the system image on my desktop via loop and add my NFS share to /etc/fstab
[13:31] <NiteSnow> I can mount the nfs share from ssh I just need to make it automatic so I can be extra lazy :P
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[13:33] <tuxx> hey guys
[13:33] <tuxx> is there a raspberrypi dev channel?
[13:34] <tuxx> for some reason the RP does not boot the kernels which I build from hand
[13:34] <NiteSnow> #raspberrypi-dev
[13:34] <NiteSnow> #raspberrypi-osdev
[13:34] <tuxx> has anyone successfully built and booted a kernel?
[13:35] <NiteSnow> no, but what source are you building the kernel from?
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[13:35] <RITRedbeard> Wait, what?
[13:36] <ReggieUK> I have tuxx ;)
[13:36] <RITRedbeard> Nobody has built and booted a kernel that wasn't the default distros?
[13:36] <RITRedbeard> Why not?
[13:36] * RITRedbeard blinks.
[13:36] <ReggieUK> eh
[13:36] <ReggieUK> I have!
[13:36] <NiteSnow> I haven't... but others probably have.
[13:36] <tuxx> ReggieUK: :D
[13:36] <RITRedbeard> oh
[13:36] <RITRedbeard> OH
[13:36] * NiteSnow isn't a dev
[13:37] <RITRedbeard> you were answering for yourself, not the community, I'm a bit tired
[13:37] <NiteSnow> :P
[13:37] <RITRedbeard> hurfy durfy moment for me
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[13:37] <RITRedbeard> ReggieUK, anything out of the norm?
[13:38] <ReggieUK> nope, nothing at all out of the norm
[13:38] <ReggieUK> in fact, I built the kernel to test out zgregs mmc patches
[13:38] <ReggieUK> which all went swimmingly :)
[13:39] <tuxx> ReggieUK: i really dont understand how you can have simply copied the Image or zImage file... every firmware ive looked at says the kernel is a "DBase 3" file
[13:39] <NiteSnow> I'm kinda interested to find out how you would actually use the binary blob with mplayer or something similar...
[13:39] <ReggieUK> would like like me to post the link, one more time, that says you don't need to do that with the newer firmware?
[13:39] <NiteSnow> yes :P
[13:39] <tuxx> ReggieUK: I have read the link a zillion times
[13:40] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/Rpi_kernel_compilation#Final_step:_Making_the_.27kernel.img.27_for_your_Pi
[13:40] <tuxx> ReggieUK: I checked out the latest firmware and guess what:
[13:40] * NiteSnow missed what tux posted /derp
[13:40] <ReggieUK> then 1. why do you think I can't simply have done it?
[13:40] <tuxx> root@tranquillity:~/raspberrypi/firmware/boot# file kernel.img
[13:40] <tuxx> kernel.img: DBase 3 index file
[13:40] <ReggieUK> I don't care tuxx :) Not being rude dude, just telling you what I did and where I got the information from :)
[13:41] <ReggieUK> I didn't do anything special
[13:41] <Dagger2> tuxx: there is a difference between "don't need to do" and "must not do" that I guess might be relevant here
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[13:41] <ReggieUK> I certainly didn't install the mkimage junk
[13:42] <ReggieUK> you can try it with the zImage if you like
[13:42] <ReggieUK> perhaps that will get you a matching file type
[13:42] <ReggieUK> but in reality, it only matters what the firmware expects to load
[13:42] <tuxx> ReggieUK: so what you did was download debian, flash it to mmc, then zcat /proc/config.gz > .config ; build vanilla kernel of the RP repo; cp arch/arm/boot/Image to mmc; boot into kernel?
[13:43] <ReggieUK> and that appears to be a compressed or uncompressed kernel
[13:43] <tuxx> or did i skip something?
[13:43] <tuxx> ReggieUK: dude i hate to admit this but.. i work for an embedded linux company :)
[13:43] <tuxx> ReggieUK: i know what a zImage is.. i build and patch kernels on a daily basis
[13:43] <ReggieUK> I was lazy, so I just used the defconfig
[13:44] <tuxx> ReggieUK: the problem here is the loader is closed and the documentation is horrible
[13:44] <ReggieUK> indeed
[13:44] <tuxx> ReggieUK: ok i will try the defconfig
[13:44] <ReggieUK> so we can only go with teh information we know or discover
[13:44] <ReggieUK> there's 2
[13:44] <AthomIk> what s the good battery for raspberry ?
[13:44] <ReggieUK> I think I used the cutdown
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> AthomIk: A good 'USB' battery
[13:44] <ReggieUK> I take it you also copied all the modules over to the pi too?
[13:44] <tuxx> ReggieUK: i see ... thanks mate.. sorry for being such a prick :)
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> AthomIk: how long do you want to run it for?
[13:45] <ReggieUK> I would say a 20ah
[13:45] <tuxx> ReggieUK: i did but i mean i dont even get to that point where it would load modules
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> AthomIk: And do you care about weight.
[13:45] <AthomIk> SpeedEvil: now i use lg charger for phone 5.1V 0.7A.. but seem probleme if mouse and keyboard is connected
[13:45] <RITRedbeard> AthomIk, not sure.
[13:46] <RITRedbeard> I'm researching that in my spare time right now, although I do not have a Pi.
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> AthomIk: you should use a powered hub.
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> AthomIk: If you don't mind it being plugged into the wall
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[13:46] <RITRedbeard> I have one of the ones Duracell is discontinuing.
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[13:47] <three14> a small lead acid battery would work well and it's easier to charge than a LiPo
[13:47] <RITRedbeard> basically with these switchmode USB chargers/psus just take the mAh rating and think realistically 80% of that
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> three14: Well - if he doesn't actually want it portable...
[13:47] <three14> SpeedEvil, hit the gym, fss. lol
[13:47] <RITRedbeard> the problem with them is delivering proper amount of current and discharge rate
[13:48] <RITRedbeard> my phone won't come out of a dead start with the present battery I've got
[13:48] <megaproxy> so i installed openlec yesterday
[13:49] <megaproxy> latest version wouldnt boot
[13:49] <megaproxy> 2nd to latest booted, but has now stopped
[13:49] <megaproxy> D=
[13:49] <NiteSnow> megaproxy, are you installing the .img's from that one site with the co.uk tld?
[13:49] <megaproxy> uhhh
[13:49] <megaproxy> maybe
[13:49] <AthomIk> pfff cheap rapsberry, but a lot of usb charger etc......
[13:49] <megaproxy> leme look in history
[13:50] <NiteSnow> one sec
[13:50] <megaproxy> http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[13:50] <NiteSnow> I use a HTC usb charger
[13:50] <NiteSnow> those are a pain
[13:50] <NiteSnow> one sec
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[13:51] <NiteSnow> megaproxy, http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/
[13:51] <NiteSnow> hopefully you're on linux
[13:52] <megaproxy> im not :(
[13:52] <megaproxy> normally i am
[13:52] <megaproxy> but im at home
[13:52] <megaproxy> so im on my gaming pc
[13:53] <NiteSnow> you'll need linux to run the install script
[13:53] <megaproxy> D=
[13:53] <megaproxy> this is why i wanted the .co.uk imgs
[13:53] <RITRedbeard> AthomIk, I can start doing tests/time tests if you'd like
[13:54] <megaproxy> i can just use disk32windwos or w.e its called
[13:54] <RITRedbeard> I can then release information to community and make a page on wiki or something
[13:54] <RITRedbeard> as it pertains to not only RPi but mobile/ARM/hobby computing
[13:56] <NiteSnow> megaproxy, how big is your sd card?
[13:56] <megaproxy> 4gb
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[13:57] <NiteSnow> megaproxy, I may or may not be able to hack up an image for you
[13:57] <megaproxy> ima try this co.uk one again
[13:57] <megaproxy> see if its something i did.,
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[14:00] <NiteSnow> megaproxy, I had the same problem with it lol.
[14:00] <megaproxy> yea its working now
[14:00] <megaproxy> i think its a setting i put on
[14:00] <megaproxy> "enable lcd/vcd"
[14:00] <megaproxy> or something
[14:00] <NiteSnow> hmm odd
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[14:02] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/xDdGx.jpg
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[14:05] <NiteSnow> none of those images would boot for me, It would just say it couldn't mount one of the partitions and stop booting.
[14:07] <RITRedbeard> How does the Pi boot?
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[14:08] <RITRedbeard> boot loader on fat32 partition on the SD card?
[14:08] <NiteSnow> boot loader and kernel on a fat16/32 partition on the sd card
[14:08] <RITRedbeard> can you stick it in your windows/linux box and edit the configuration of boot process?
[14:08] <NiteSnow> you can then from there boot to nfs or a partition on the sd card
[14:08] <NiteSnow> yeah
[14:08] <RITRedbeard> neat
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[14:16] <brougham> without an SD card in should i get any output on the hdmi output? what should the leds be showing?
[14:17] <brougham> the power led is red and stays red, nothing else happens- tried multipile psu
[14:19] <reider59> Unless I`m misunderstanding you or them I think someone said on boot (with the SD Card in) one of the first things it does is initialise the video side. So it sounds like you need the SD Card in before you`ll see any true signs other than a red light.
[14:19] <megaproxy> http://imgur.com/zcoXw :D
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[14:22] <NiteSnow> megaproxy, is that a nerf dart?
[14:22] <megaproxy> yes
[14:22] <NiteSnow> brougham, you'll only see a red light, you need a SD card.
[14:22] <megaproxy> we have nerf wars at work
[14:22] <NiteSnow> nice!
[14:22] <three14> beautiful cactus
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[14:23] <brougham> with the SD card in (raspmbc - easy install) I get the same issue
[14:24] <RITRedbeard> That's a known thing, you need to boot from SD card, I believe.
[14:24] <NiteSnow> OO
[14:25] <zgreg> without SD card in the pi, you will not see any video output
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[14:26] <brougham> with the SD card i don't get any output either
[14:26] <NiteSnow> I don't see how...
[14:26] <NiteSnow> what power supply are you using?
[14:26] <zgreg> the first-stage boot loader tries to load the actual firmware from SD, and if that fails, you won't see any output either
[14:27] <brougham> phone charger at 0.8a, port on a pc and port on a monitor all the samw
[14:27] <NiteSnow> have you tried other images?
[14:27] <zgreg> brougham: verify that the SD card is set up correctly
[14:27] <zgreg> and try another SD card, if you can, if it still fails
[14:27] <brougham> just getting debian image now
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[14:28] <NiteSnow> k
[14:28] <brougham> i got the card RS recommeneded
[14:28] <brougham> just to avoid issue like this
[14:28] <zgreg> SD card compatibility should be pretty good overall now, anyway
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[14:29] <Habbie> even with a bad SDcard you would get some video
[14:29] <NiteSnow> buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuullllllllllll
[14:30] <brougham> k, i'll try on another monitor while it downloads
[14:30] <NiteSnow> you get nothing unless it's actually going to boot.
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[14:30] <zgreg> Habbie: depends on your definition of "bad"
[14:30] <zgreg> there are very few (!) cards that don't work with the first-stage bootloader. and those can't be fixed.
[14:32] <zgreg> and you won't see any video output either
[14:34] <Milos|Netbook> Um
[14:34] <Milos|Netbook> wtf
[14:34] <Milos|Netbook> I upgraded my firmware and now my 3G dongle doesn't seem to respond?
[14:35] <Milos|Netbook> damn closed source bull, broadcom
[14:36] <Milos|Netbook> doesn't make any sense though
[14:36] <Milos|Netbook> it can't be the firmware...
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[14:45] <Guest2812> the balls :s
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[14:50] <Habbie> zgreg, yes, clearly
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[14:51] <dunib> I would have thought my monitors usb hub would be powered, but apparently not.
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[14:58] <mick2004> hi. i've got a problem with omxplayer. sound works great, but video plays too fast and is not in sync.
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[15:05] <tuxx> zgreg: hey are you there?
[15:06] <tuxx> zgreg: i heard you have written some kernel patches for mmc?
[15:06] <tuxx> zgreg: i built my own kernel last night and tried booting it but got the following error messages:
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[15:07] <tuxx> error -110 whilst initialising sd card raspberry pi
[15:08] <FransWillem> Any idea where I can find the source codes for the serial port driver for debian?
[15:08] <aaa801> do you know the package name?
[15:08] <FransWillem> Nope :/
[15:08] <tuxx> zgreg: and actually my kernels sometimes don't boot at all.. i really dont understand why... do i need to use the scripts from tools/mkimage?
[15:08] <tuxx> FransWillem: the serial port driver would be in the kernel not in debian
[15:11] <tuxx> zgreg: i heard it is unneccessary with the "latest firmware"
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[15:16] <FransWillem> Would anyone know if UART_CLK is some kind of constant that depends on an external crystal, or if it's adjustable ?
[15:16] <tuxx> FransWillem: i would think it is adjustable
[15:17] <tuxx> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[15:17] <tuxx> init_uart_clock initial uart clock. Default 3000000
[15:18] <FransWillem> Think it'd be safe setting it to 16000000 ?
[15:18] <Milos> holy mother
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[15:18] <Milos> played with some clock settings
[15:18] <Milos> 22.6MB/s write, 26MB/s read speed
[15:18] <Milos> WOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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[15:19] <mjr> on the SD slot, you mean?
[15:19] <Milos> YUP
[15:19] <mjr> that's quite the improvement
[15:19] <trevorman> the UART is based off the system clock. you need to recompile the kernel if you want the actual baud rate to match up with what your app is setting. ymmv if you don't do that.
[15:19] <Milos> I have pics
[15:20] <nirokato> Milos: I'd like to see 'em!
[15:20] <Milos> I set my init_emmc_clock to 50MHz
[15:20] <Milos> 51 = no worky
[15:20] <Milos> 50 = REALLY WORKY
[15:21] <Milos> on a fresh boot: www.wut.co.nz/images/pi-sd.jpg
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[15:21] <zgreg> tuxx: have you messed with init_emmc_clock? which kernel source have you been building?
[15:21] <Milos> should probably do a force cache clear in case people go all derp
[15:22] <tuxx> zgreg: i juts built and successfully booted https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git
[15:23] <zgreg> yeah, but just to be sure, there's no line reading init_emmc_clock in config.txt?
[15:23] <nirokato> Milos: Very nice bit of work there.
[15:23] <tuxx> zgreg: no theres no such line
[15:24] <zgreg> tuxx: that's bad, did it work previously? and what kind of card do you have?
[15:24] <Milos> WOHOOO 27MB/s again, just tested with all cached dropped in case it was using memory
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[15:24] <Milos> s/cached/caches/
[15:24] <tuxx> zgreg: http://pastebin.com/ZAPmNKQf
[15:24] <Milos> nirokato, keep in mind I am using a card rated 95MB/s lol, too bad I can't use it to its full potential
[15:25] <tuxx> zgreg: i have a class 4 panasonic 4GB sdcard
[15:25] <tuxx> zgreg: actually my last kernel booted successfully with the exception of that small backtrace
[15:25] <zgreg> tuxx: a kernel panic? that looks like something odd is going on
[15:25] <tuxx> no its not a panic
[15:25] <zgreg> does the latest prebuilt kernel work fine?
[15:26] <tuxx> zgreg: yea.. actually i might have messed this up myself.. dont worry
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[15:26] <nirokato> Milos: I kinda figured as much. Sadly it will take a fair amount of community development effort to really see the RPi do its best.
[15:26] <tuxx> zgreg: i patched somethjing earlier
[15:26] <zgreg> well, then it's not related to the mmc patches
[15:26] <tuxx> zgreg: anyway i was having some trouble booting the kernel earlier now that i updated the firmware using rpi-update it seems ok
[15:26] <tuxx> zgreg: sorry for bothering :)
[15:26] <zgreg> the latest prebuilt kernel image already includes the mmc/sdhci changes
[15:27] <zgreg> alright
[15:27] <nirokato> But then again, that's why we're all in it right? Learn something new and to contribute to the community.
[15:27] <zgreg> Milos: you set init_emmc_clock to 50 MHz? but that's the default anyway :)
[15:28] <zgreg> Milos: if you set it higher, you
[15:28] <zgreg> are going out of SD
[15:28] <zgreg> specs
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[15:28] <zgreg> so it *might* work, but terible things might happen
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[15:28] <zgreg> *terrible
[15:29] <zgreg> I can't type today for some reason
[15:29] <tuxx> btw is it possible to playback hd video in formats other than h.264?
[15:29] <tuxx> like say with mplayer?
[15:30] <zgreg> in theory, yes. realistically, no. it's just too slow.
[15:30] <mjr> only the more primitive mpeg4 variant whatever it was
[15:31] <zgreg> mjr: yes, that works. but it also works with omxplayer and xbmc
[15:31] <Milos> zgreg, 10MHz is default apparently
[15:31] <zgreg> Milos: no
[15:31] <Milos> lol WELL CLEARLY I have a huge performance boost
[15:31] <tuxx> can videos be played back without X?
[15:31] <zgreg> mjr: that variant is mpeg-4 part 2, aka mpeg-4 ASP, better known as xvid or divx :)
[15:32] <Milos> zgreg, default is 25MHz as of 3 days ago
[15:32] <Milos> zgreg, not sure what it was before that
[15:32] <Milos> read the changelog
[15:32] <zgreg> Milos: no, the default is 50 MHz. I should know, I wrote the code. :)
[15:32] <Milos> well, who pushed the latest firmware git?
[15:33] <zgreg> I think that was dom, but I did the kernel changes.
[15:33] <zgreg> and if you read the changelog, you'll see it's 50 MHz
[15:34] <Milos> ah it is
[15:34] <Milos> well no idea, but it's crap without me setting it :)
[15:34] <zgreg> what are you setting exactly?
[15:34] <Milos> also I'm talking about firmware, not kernel?
[15:34] <Milos> I compile my own kernel
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[15:35] <zgreg> just make sure that the kernel's idea of the emmc clock and the actual emmc clock are the same
[15:35] <Milos> 1.1GHz with overvolt at 8, 450MHz RAM and just set the clock to 50MHz to get some pretty nice speeds
[15:35] <zgreg> otherwise, various "funny" things might happen
[15:35] <Milos> I will check what I have as the kernel clock
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[15:36] <Milos> haha well, it's 80MHz as I thought
[15:36] <Milos> since that's what it used to be
[15:36] <Milos> #define BCM2708_EMMC_CLOCK_FREQ 80000000
[15:37] <Milos> as I haven't grabbed the latest
[15:37] <Milos> though I should, and I will
[15:37] <Milos> I don't quite see how there are two values here
[15:37] <Milos> kernel vs firmware
[15:37] <Milos> which one does what
[15:37] <Milos> so what happens if I set my firmware one to 80MHz?
[15:37] * Milos tries
[15:38] <Milos> here are my current benchmarks, run 3 times each to be sure: www.wut.co.nz/images/pi-sd.jpg
[15:39] <Milos> pic is updated
[15:41] <zgreg> Milos: are you using the 3.2 kernel?
[15:41] <Milos> there's a 3.2 now
[15:41] <Milos> ?
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[15:41] <zgreg> yes
[15:41] <Milos> I'm on a self-compiled veresion of the 3.1.9 from github
[15:42] <zgreg> the latest 3.1.9 kernel already should have BCM2708_EMMC_CLOCK_FREQ at 50 MHz
[15:42] <Milos> well that's not what mine says
[15:42] <Milos> oh
[15:42] <Milos> latest, maybe
[15:42] <zgreg> it also has a bunch of performance and compatibility fixes
[15:43] <Milos> so is it 3.1.9 or 3.2
[15:43] <Milos> where do I get 3.2
[15:43] <zgreg> it's probably safer to stay with 3.1 for npw
[15:43] <Milos> safe? hah
[15:43] <Milos> you can tell I do not care much about safe
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[15:44] <Milos> 3.2 sources, do you know where I can get a copy?
[15:45] <laneon> can I use raspberry's general purpose Input Output pins to turn something on and off? like a LED light?
[15:45] <Milos> sure
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[15:46] <zgreg> https://github.com/bootc/linux/tree/rpi-3.2.19, but the branch https://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux/commits/rpi-3.2.19-sdhci contains the new SDHCI fixes that already landed in the 3.1 tree
[15:46] <Milos> thank you very much
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[16:02] <FransWillem> Would anyone know where and how uart_clk is set? Apparently the GPU sets it at boot from config.txt, but it appears either that isn't read properly, or linux resets it later in the boot process :/
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[16:09] <stev> A question, which part of rpi executes bootcode.bin and loader.bin?
[16:11] <kvarley> stev: I imagine its the start.elf
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[16:11] <kvarley> stev: Thats wrong
[16:12] <kvarley> stev: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=6685&p=85140
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[16:15] <Milos> zgreg, where does the + come from in the kernel version?
[16:16] <Milos> zgreg, when I used the stock kernel, the + was there, when I compiled my own 3.1.9, it disappeared
[16:16] <Milos> zgreg, but after compiling your 3.2.19, the + remains
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[16:17] <stev> kvarley: which means that GPU executes bootcode.bin, loaders.bin, and start.elf. Is it correct?
[16:17] <zgreg> Milos: no idea, maybe it's something in the kernel config
[16:18] <Milos> zgreg, I see.
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[16:18] <hamitron> adding a plus makes it better anyway ;)
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[16:19] <NucWin> win98 plus!
[16:20] <hamitron> NucWin, totally wrecking my theory, ty ;)
[16:20] <Milos> zgreg, one more question, do I still need to use that random python script when I compile a kernel or can I just use the zImage?
[16:20] <NucWin> np
[16:21] <zgreg> Milos: as far as I know you still need that
[16:21] <Milos> ok
[16:22] <nidO> you coulda bought the one off ebay before he did
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[16:22] <nidO> oops
[16:23] <Milos> I read somewhere i.e. http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
[16:23] <Milos> With the latest firmware (available from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware), you no longer need to create an explicit kernel image; you can directly use Image or zImage from the kernel build process as /boot/kernel.img.
[16:24] <Milos> So... whatever, I'll give it a go!
[16:24] <Milos> zgreg, ^
[16:25] <Milos|Netbook> works! and no random rainbow at the start
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[16:26] <zgreg> ah, good to know, but this wasn't really documented officially
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[16:27] <Milos|Netbook> holy mother
[16:27] <Milos|Netbook> boots even faster now
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[16:28] <mikey_w> If the SD card reads faster that should make booting faster.
[16:28] <Milos|Netbook> yeah but I have 27MB/s read speeds usually
[16:29] <mikey_w> good speed.
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[16:29] <Milos|Netbook> yup, mikey_w www.wut.co.nz/images/pi-sd.jpg
[16:29] <zgreg> 27 MB/s aren't really possible (unless you go way out of SD specs)
[16:29] <Milos|Netbook> I beg to differ.
[16:29] <Milos|Netbook> my card is rated 95MB/s anyway
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[16:29] <zgreg> Milos: use a reliable benchmark
[16:29] <Milos|Netbook> suggest one :)
[16:30] <zgreg> e.g. hdpartm
[16:30] <zgreg> hdparm -t
[16:30] <Milos|Netbook> actually, I know a better one
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[16:30] <Milos|Netbook> has a y in it...
[16:30] <Milos|Netbook> I think
[16:30] <Milos|Netbook> sounds like cindy?
[16:30] <zgreg> anyway, the point is, the raw interface of the SD interface is 25 MB/s, and then there's a bit of overhead
[16:31] <Milos|Netbook> bonnie++
[16:31] <zgreg> bonnie is also testing your filesystem, just like your dd "benchmark"
[16:32] <Milos|Netbook> I don't see how that makes it a bad benchmarking tool
[16:32] <zgreg> it doesn't, if that is what you want to measure
[16:33] <zgreg> I thought you're interested in measuring raw SD speed, though
[16:33] <mythmon> I lament that most of the popular electronics stuff appears to be targeted at Arduino, which isn't very helpful
[16:33] <zgreg> mythmon: I don't like arduino either, but what do you mean?
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[16:34] <mythmon> zgreg: for example, amazon sells a bunch of electronics stuff now. but all the jumper cables are M/M, cause that is what arduino uses.
[16:34] <mythmon> where as I want M/F for the rpi (to connect to a breadboard.
[16:34] <zgreg> don't buy on amazon?
[16:35] <mythmon> thats was actually what i was going to ask about after i stopped complaining...
[16:35] <zgreg> but yeah, the arduino hype is pretty bad
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[16:35] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, ok, hdparm reports 21.8MB/s read speed
[16:35] <mythmon> I don't have much experience with electronics. obviously i need stuff to play with. where could i get that?
[16:35] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, so what was dd doing that was giving it a misreading?
[16:36] <friggle> zgreg: seen this? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=101606&sid=2c1016bd6555e0a76ee06ce2348bfd5c#p101606 any ideas?
[16:37] <zgreg> Milos|Netbook: it's not really possible to reliably and completely circumvent the kernel's cache
[16:37] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, a-ha! dd also reports 20MB/s read which means new options slowed it down
[16:37] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, so I will boot old kernel and run hdparm
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[16:38] <Milos|Netbook> ah crap, I just overwrite the old kernel
[16:38] <Milos|Netbook> where is the undo button, hahahaha
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[16:38] <zgreg> friggle: nope
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[16:42] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, old kernel reads 25MB/s for hdparm
[16:43] <friggle> Milos|Netbook: the 3.1 kernel without zgreg's patches? That seems unlikely
[16:43] <Milos|Netbook> yup
[16:43] <Milos|Netbook> in fact so likely that it's true
[16:43] <Milos|Netbook> with --direct, hdparm reads 26.8MB/s
[16:44] <Milos|Netbook> so I'd love to hear more about your 25MB/s theoretical limit
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[16:44] <friggle> there was at least an off by one clock division error in the old kernel
[16:44] <Milos|Netbook> I did not edit the clock in the .c file, but I did chaneg the clk in the config.txt, made it 50MHz
[16:44] <Milos|Netbook> with that, hdparm is what I tell you
[16:45] <Milos|Netbook> booting 3.2.19 I had to remove the 50MHz from config.txt as it was complaining about SD read errors, and once booted I only got 20MB/s with/without --direct
[16:46] <friggle> I'm not sure if bootc's 3.2.19 kernel includes the sd patches yet
[16:46] <Milos|Netbook> but I wasn't even using the 3.1.9 kernel with the patches
[16:46] <bootc> it doesn't include the latest set of SD patches, no
[16:46] <Milos|Netbook> I'm using 3.1.9 from about 15 days ago now
[16:46] <Milos|Netbook> that's the last time I updated
[16:47] <bootc> it does have other SD patches though
[16:47] <Milos|Netbook> what do you think could be the reason for tihs?
[16:47] <bootc> it's possible, yes
[16:47] <Milos|Netbook> it'll have something to do with that init_emmc_clock setting
[16:47] <Milos|Netbook> because I can't boot 3.2.19 without commenting it out
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[16:48] <Trickierstinky> hi guys
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[16:48] <zgreg> Milos|Netbook: it's not "my" theoretical limit, it's the definitive theoretical limit of the SD interface found in the pi
[16:49] <Milos|Netbook> yes, but your suggestion of a "real" hdd test seems to be saying otherwise
[16:49] <zgreg> unless you mess with init_emmc_clock in the wrong way and you overclock the interface
[16:49] <Milos|Netbook> the only way I messed, was I set it to 50MHz
[16:51] <zgreg> I have no idea what's going on on your side, but as your're juggling with various kernel versions and overclocking, all kinds of things might be going wrong :)
[16:51] <Milos|Netbook> 3.1.9 used to have that CLK set at 80MHz, right?
[16:51] <Milos|Netbook> according to changelog?
[16:51] <stev> Milos: Did you successfully boot without converting kernel using the python script imagetool-uncompressed.py?
[16:52] <Milos|Netbook> if that CLK is at 80MHz, and my firmware setting is 50MHz, then how is it working fine (24MB/s write, 27MB/s read)
[16:52] <Milos|Netbook> stev, I did boot :) and no crazy rainbow image
[16:52] <Milos|Netbook> = faster boot
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[16:52] <Milos|Netbook> took 3 seconds off the startup
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[16:53] <stev> Milos: thanks. So you use new firmware from github/raspberrypi/firmwar?
[16:53] <Milos|Netbook> yu[p
[16:53] <Milos|Netbook> s/\[//
[16:53] <zgreg> are you actually measuring performance of the SD card? :D because what you're saying you're measuring (and with the kernel versions you say) doesn't make much sense :)
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[16:55] <Milos|Netbook> I just typed like 200 words
[16:55] <Milos|Netbook> and acidentally closed the damn window
[16:56] <Milos|Netbook> My card is a Sandisk Extreme Pro 95MB/s. Originally, without tinkering with any emmc clock settings, I got 5MB/s write. I read somewhere that someone had better performance by setting it to 25MHz, so I did that, and my speed increased to 12MB/s read and write, and then I doubled it to 50MHz and my speed also doubled.
[16:57] <Milos|Netbook> Then I tried your 3.2.19 revision and I had to remove the init_emmc_clock setting from config.txt as it was complaining about SD read failures. Once I did that it booted fine, also choppy and quick, but the speeds were slightly lowered by about 5MB/s.
[16:57] <Milos|Netbook> The changes I am aware of that initially the 3.1.9 kernel had the clock set in the .c file at 80MHz, 3.2.19 lowered that to 50MHz with a heap of other chanegs I think.
[16:58] <Milos|Netbook> But with 3.2.19 I am not getting the same performance I did with 3.1.9.
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[16:59] <Milos|Netbook> When I say lowered by about 5MB/s, I mean from 25MB/s read/write average it went to 20MB/s read/write average.
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[16:59] <Milos|Netbook> What I will do is backup my current 3.1.9 revision, clone the new 3.1.9 changes and see what happens.
[17:00] <zgreg> the stock emmc clock was 80 MHz earlier, right. but lowering it to 25 MHz doesn't make sense at all, if you want to improve performance? or did you actually specify the setting in MHz, i.e. "init_emmc_clock=25"?
[17:01] <Milos|Netbook> Correct.
[17:01] <Milos|Netbook> Beats me.
[17:01] <zgreg> ouch
[17:01] <zgreg> you have to specify that in Hz
[17:01] <Milos|Netbook> Oh, sorry I misread your question.
[17:01] <Milos|Netbook> No it was 25 with 7 zeros.
[17:01] <zgreg> but that's 250 MHz
[17:01] <Milos|Netbook> LOL
[17:01] <Milos|Netbook> Let me double check what I have going on here.
[17:02] <zgreg> and yes, these hacks worked with the old kernel, but they should not be used
[17:03] <Milos|Netbook> wow!
[17:03] <Milos|Netbook> you're right, sorry
[17:03] <Milos|Netbook> I had it at 250MHz
[17:03] <Milos|Netbook> HAHA
[17:03] <Milos|Netbook> well it's on 500MHz now
[17:03] <Milos|Netbook> working nicely
[17:03] <Milos|Netbook> >_>
[17:03] <Milos|Netbook> this made my day
[17:04] <Milos|Netbook> 501MHz makes it break
[17:04] <Milos|Netbook> but 500Mhz works like a babe
[17:04] <Milos|Netbook> I'm a little shocked
[17:05] <Milos|Netbook> I'll see how high I can get it in 3.2.19 to try match 25MB/s on 3.1.9
[17:05] <Milos|Netbook> what's funny is that at one point I tried setting it at 1GHz (thinking it was 100MHz)
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[17:07] <zgreg> well, actually 50 MHz is more than enough
[17:07] <Milos|Netbook> doesn't give me the best speed, sadly
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[17:08] <Milos|Netbook> I've I managed to see a consistent 24MB/s write and 26.8MB/s read then that is what I will try get
[17:08] <Milos|Netbook> WITH hdparm.
[17:08] <zgreg> yes, but ypu
[17:08] <zgreg> argh
[17:08] <Milos|Netbook> but I what?
[17:09] <zgreg> yes, but you're running completely out of specifications, of both the SDHCI controller and the SD interface
[17:09] <Milos|Netbook> life is too short to run everything within spec
[17:09] <Milos|Netbook> you gotta have some fun sometime
[17:09] <Milos|Netbook> I have a 30m USB cabe
[17:09] <Milos|Netbook> s/be/ble/
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[17:10] <Milos|Netbook> ok, new kernel booted with 80MHz, let's see what happens
[17:11] <zgreg> it'd still be safer to run with only somewhat elevated emmc base clock (e.g. 65 MHz, that's 30% over SD specifications, and still within emmc specifications)
[17:11] <Milos|Netbook> no problem, I'm just curious to see what I can get
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[17:11] <Milos|Netbook> once testing is over I'll stick to whaver I found to be stable
[17:11] <Milos|Netbook> s/whaver/whatever/
[17:12] <zgreg> if you overclock emmc base clock a little bit, and let the kernel assume 50 MHz emmc clock, you'll get somewhat higher SD clocks as a result
[17:12] <zgreg> that probably works with a good selection of cards
[17:12] <Milos|Netbook> with my 500 million cycles per sec it seemed pretty stable on 3.1.9, haha
[17:12] <Milos|Netbook> which is weird
[17:12] <Milos|Netbook> LOOOOOL
[17:12] <Milos|Netbook> 80MHz => 30MB/s read on hdparm
[17:13] <Milos|Netbook> with your 3.2.19 kernel
[17:13] <Milos|Netbook> well it really read "31.15MB/s"
[17:13] <Milos|Netbook> but I rounded down in case you were sceptical.
[17:14] <zgreg> no, this makes sense. but as I said, you're overclockuing the SD interface pretty badly
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[17:14] <Milos|Netbook> good
[17:14] <Milos|Netbook> I'll double it
[17:15] <zgreg> heh, that won't work :)
[17:15] <NucWin> 100MHz & 3.2.19 next Milos|Netbook?
[17:15] <Milos|Netbook> nope, 160MHz
[17:15] <Milos|Netbook> 80MHz doubled is 160
[17:15] <NucWin> this is helping me decide what sd card to order
[17:15] <Milos|Netbook> (MHz)
[17:15] <zgreg> that's even far beyond UHS-1 specs :)
[17:15] <Milos|Netbook> this SD card is rated 95MB/s
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[17:15] <Milos|Netbook> I'm trying to get my monies worth
[17:15] <Milos|Netbook> :D
[17:16] <NucWin> guessing they not worth the premium though
[17:16] <NucWin> was thinkng of a 30MB/s one
[17:16] <zgreg> you're not going to get it without hardware modifications
[17:16] <Milos|Netbook> Sandisk Extreme Pro 16GB for $50USD
[17:16] <Milos|Netbook> or $45USD? I forget
[17:16] <Milos|Netbook> I think $45
[17:16] <zgreg> the SDHCI controller of the pi supports UHS-1 transfer modes, but they do not work on the pi, because 1.8V I/O voltage are required for those
[17:16] <Milos|Netbook> Sandisk Extreme 45MB/s will also be great I think
[17:17] <zgreg> and the pi can only use 3.3V I/O voltage for the SDHCI interface
[17:17] <Milos|Netbook> half price, same storage
[17:17] <Milos|Netbook> ok, well zgreg I'll get what I can
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> The SD card is rated at that speed at low voltage.
[17:17] <rvalles> zgreg: ouch, design oversight :/
[17:17] <zgreg> rvalles: it's more like a compromise
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> It is not impossible that at high voltages, the regulator will overheat.
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[17:18] <SpeedEvil> And possibly damage either the data, or the card.
[17:18] <rvalles> zgreg: I wonder how much a voltage leveling thingy for that would have cost.
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> (the regulator inside the card)
[17:18] <NucWin> UHS-I cards, specified in SD Version 3.01,[40] support a clock frequency of 100 MHz (a quadrupling of the original Default Speed), which in four-bit transfer mode could transfer 50 MB/s. UHS-I cards declared as UHS104 also support a clock frequency of 208 MHz,
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> rvalles: ~$1
[17:18] <rvalles> SpeedEvil: :/
[17:18] <cehteh> there are 1.8V on board right? ... now get that routed :)
[17:18] <Milos|Netbook> NucWin, 100MHz is no go, I'll try 80MHz
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> there is 1.8V onboard, but the IO is not set to, nor can it be set to 1.8V
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[17:19] * SpeedEvil wonders if that's true.
[17:19] * SpeedEvil stabs the lack of a proper datasheet.
[17:19] <Milos|Netbook> NucWin, oh wait I was already doing 80MHz
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> If you're happy with _all_ the GPIO being at 1.8V, then maybe
[17:19] <Milos|Netbook> okay I'll try 90 then
[17:19] <Milos|Netbook> looks like we've hit the bounds pretty close
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[17:20] <Milos|Netbook> nope 90 no go either
[17:20] <Milos|Netbook> 85 then
[17:21] <cehteh> SpeedEvil: considering what first told impossible with the n900 and then got made :)
[17:21] <cehteh> and well .. for any serious use of the gpio you need some buffer/driver anyways, 1.8V there wont harm then if you are prepared
[17:22] <Milos|Netbook> ok, I'll keep it at 80MHz, 85MHz NEARLY got it, but unable to mount root fs
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[17:22] <Milos|Netbook> and we're back at 80MHz!
[17:23] <Milos|Netbook> sounds safe, will keep it at that
[17:23] <NucWin> so the 30MB card should be good think the 45's are a little more expensive
[17:23] <Milos|Netbook> yeah
[17:23] <Milos|Netbook> I agree
[17:23] <zgreg> well, if you like living on the edge, for a small performance improvement ;)
[17:23] <Milos|Netbook> I bought the 45MB/s one as well but it hasn't arrived either
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[17:23] <Milos|Netbook> s/either/yet/
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: I was one of the first to argue that impossible things may not be impossible :)
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[17:24] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, :D ! I'm extremely happy with the results, rpi is no longer a slowpoke.
[17:24] <Milos|Netbook> >30MB/s is just fantastic.
[17:24] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: New DMA SD stuff?
[17:24] <Milos|Netbook> Thank you for providing your bleeding-edge kernel updates.
[17:24] <Milos|Netbook> Appreciated.
[17:24] <Milos|Netbook> rvalles, what's that?
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[17:24] <SpeedEvil> Milos|Netbook: Now try random block write.
[17:24] <rvalles> SpeedEvil: heh
[17:25] <Milos|Netbook> SpeedEvil, with what tool?
[17:25] <zgreg> I have a different goal - I'd like to get reasonable SD performance, with near-perfect compatibility
[17:25] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, of coures, you need to make sure the rest of the world is OK with some defaults.
[17:25] <zgreg> and the current kernel fixes are a good step in that direction
[17:25] <Milos|Netbook> s/coures/course/
[17:25] <zgreg> although a few hours ago someone on the forum popped up with some legitimate problems
[17:25] <Milos|Netbook> Oh? :(
[17:25] <rvalles> zgreg: The thing about DMA is it should leave the CPU free for other tasks
[17:25] <Milos|Netbook> I've had insane problems with USB, I don't even
[17:25] <Milos|Netbook> Occasionally all my devices would disconnect and it would say
[17:26] <zgreg> rvalles: of course, and...?
[17:26] <rvalles> since the cpu isn't the fastest ever and it also has to do GPU-ish work as we only have a fb...
[17:26] <Milos|Netbook> that electrmagnetic interference disconnected my devices
[17:26] <Milos|Netbook> ......
[17:26] <rvalles> DMA's greatly appreciated.
[17:26] <zgreg> rvalles: the driver used DMA from the very start
[17:26] <zgreg> and of course it still does
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[17:26] <Milos|Netbook> NucWin, I don't think this relates but I've somehow managed to find that my class 6 apacer causes my keyboard to miss keystrokes.
[17:27] <Milos|Netbook> It's the weirdest thing ever but that's what I found.
[17:27] <rvalles> zgreg: what's with https://github.com/lp0/linux/commit/f961b8f02d969291a9b67ed041eb257438ae977b
[17:27] <Milos|Netbook> I have no idea how an SD card can affect input interrupts.
[17:27] <Milos|Netbook> But it seemed to.
[17:28] <AthomIk> well without keyboard and mouse, my raspberry work :)
[17:28] <AthomIk> lol
[17:28] <AthomIk> speed is like arduino :D
[17:28] <Milos|Netbook> I use it through SSH
[17:28] <Milos|Netbook> but when I need to use console
[17:28] <NucWin> amazon have the 45MB/s for ??12.98 so think i will get one of those
[17:29] <Milos|Netbook> it was choopy. now is fine with my new Sandisk though
[17:29] <rvalles> zgreg: I understand they removed it, then rewrote it for some reason. (trouble with the original dma code?)
[17:29] <rvalles> AthomIk: thankfully faster than an arduino.
[17:29] <Milos|Netbook> NucWin, sounds great I may likely swap my 95MB/s for that one (and use 95MB/s in hardware that can actually support it)
[17:29] <AthomIk> yes i think i have a very bad sd card i think......
[17:29] <zgreg> rvalles: that's on ongoing rewrite, yes, but that's not the currently used kernel
[17:30] <AthomIk> now i try to install postfix...
[17:30] <rvalles> AthomIk: those things are AVR8 (8bit and lotsa cycles to do anything), 16MHz
[17:30] <rvalles> zgreg: currently as in rpi-update?
[17:30] <zgreg> rvalles: as far as I know custom DMA code isn't really allowed in the upstream kernel normally, and that's why the rewrite is going on
[17:30] <zgreg> rvalles: yes
[17:30] <rvalles> zgreg: ok, good to know.
[17:31] <zgreg> rvalles: the "linear" branch tracks the current kernel development. some people want to get raspberry pi support into the mainline kernel
[17:31] <zgreg> but it's still going to be a lot of work
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[17:31] <rvalles> zgreg: definitely worth it in the long term.
[17:32] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, any idea how to mess with the OK light?
[17:32] <rvalles> there's already enough of ARM and MIPS devices which are stuck with an ancient kernel version
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[17:32] <rvalles> because the device makers only wanted it to work and didn't care any further.
[17:32] <rvalles> :/
[17:32] <AthomIk> rvalles: for a 697 cpu, this raspberry seems slow, very slow
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[17:33] <zgreg> 697 cpu?
[17:33] <rvalles> pretty wtf indeed.
[17:33] <rvalles> wait, I?m inspired.
[17:33] <rvalles> he might mean bogusmips
[17:33] <AthomIk> 697 mhz cat /proc/cpu
[17:34] <rvalles> (which if the name isn't enough, is meaningless)
[17:34] <Milos|Netbook> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[17:34] <Milos|Netbook> I have mine at 1100MHz
[17:34] <Milos|Netbook> works beautifully
[17:34] <rvalles> mine is at 900, no overvolting
[17:34] <Milos|Netbook> I had to overvolt to 8 for me
[17:34] <Milos|Netbook> rvalles, is it really that stable without overvolting?
[17:34] <Milos|Netbook> did you do a stress-test?
[17:34] <rvalles> overvolting is a disrespect to devs who don't have a board yet
[17:34] <AthomIk> humm i have 697 mhz because my charger is bad ?
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[17:35] <rvalles> it's not like there's plenty of pis to risk frying them for a few percent points of performance
[17:35] <AthomIk> rvalles: how you have 900 Mhz ??
[17:35] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: I built a kernel, it booted afterwards.
[17:35] <zgreg> AthomIk: no, that is the default clock.
[17:35] <AthomIk> zgreg: how i can change this clock ?
[17:35] <zgreg> AthomIk: the raspberry pi is just not very fast. get used to it. :)
[17:36] <Milos|Netbook> rvalles, it's possible that if you try do something CPU-intensive you will encounter faults.
[17:36] <rvalles> AthomIk: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[17:36] <Milos|Netbook> It's very important that you stress-test your overclock, otherwise you can encounter a crash if you're doing something important (but it's an rpi, what are the chances of that.)
[17:36] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: yeah, I'm aware. I built the kernel to begin with. That's some 6h of compiling.
[17:36] <Milos|Netbook> Wtf?
[17:36] <Milos|Netbook> I compiled it on a Xeon E3-1240
[17:36] <Milos|Netbook> took 4 mins
[17:37] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: gcc is, in my experience, a decent way to test stability.
[17:37] <AthomIk> rvalles: thk :)
[17:37] <zgreg> Milos|Netbook: it takes about 6h on the pi itself
[17:37] <Milos|Netbook> Oh, you built it after setting the overclock. You didn't say that.
[17:37] <Milos|Netbook> Oh you did, it just wasn't clear.
[17:37] <Milos|Netbook> Sorry
[17:37] <rvalles> (internal gcc errors or segfaults that don't happen if you try again-> faulty hw or too much OC)
[17:37] <rvalles> :)
[17:38] <Milos|Netbook> Yeah, I have had segfaults when I overclocked with not enough volatge.
[17:38] <Milos|Netbook> I was just compiling ncurses.
[17:38] <Milos|Netbook> Still took a flipping hour.
[17:39] <rvalles> my favourite annoyance is now https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/41
[17:39] <rvalles> 16bit just makes me sick. Uncanny valley. I can live with 8bit and ditherings.
[17:39] <rvalles> 16bit's like using a TN screen... it causes great unrest.
[17:39] <Milos|Netbook> Framebuffers. Does anyone know what determines how fast text can scroll on my console?
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[17:40] <zgreg> Milos|Netbook: the cpu. there is no acceleration.
[17:40] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: CPU has to draw *everything*.
[17:40] <rvalles> a framebuffer is all you get with the current drivers.
[17:40] <Milos|Netbook> Ah. that explains the dmesg being slow as flip when udev is doing something
[17:40] <Milos|Netbook> I can see it accelerating.
[17:40] <Milos|Netbook> positively and negatively.
[17:40] <rvalles> I'm hoping for some 2d accel support on X via a broadcom blob
[17:41] <rvalles> and, later on, for drm&kms with a reversed driver
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[17:41] <rvalles> but I'm being perhaps very optimistic there.
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[17:41] <Milos|Netbook> if anyone cares, here are my latest SD card benchmarks: www.wut.co.nz/images/pi-sd.jpg
[17:42] <Milos|Netbook> oh damn, I meant to include hdparm at the end
[17:42] <Milos|Netbook> oh well, it shows the same stuff
[17:42] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: whatever is wrong with hdparm -t?
[17:42] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: for reading at least.
[17:42] <Milos|Netbook> because it doesn't do writing?
[17:42] <rvalles> you're fixated on writing, ic
[17:42] <rvalles> yet you're using a file, and not the actual block device.
[17:42] <Milos|Netbook> it really doesn't matter
[17:42] <Milos|Netbook> the difference I get with hdparm is minimal
[17:43] <Milos|Netbook> last time I did it reading was 2MB/s less
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[17:43] <rvalles> well, doing io against the fs is meaningless imho
[17:43] <rvalles> but whatever, if you're happy with those.
[17:44] <Milos|Netbook> I've had this discussion already with zgreg.
[17:44] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: also, fbcat is your friend.
[17:44] <Milos|Netbook> The difference I noticed are minimal, with reading. With writing, I haven't tested a block device.
[17:44] <Milos|Netbook> This will do.
[17:44] <Milos|Netbook> fbcat?
[17:44] <Milos|Netbook> framebuffer cat?
[17:44] <rvalles> yeah.
[17:44] <Milos|Netbook> shroedinger's cat?
[17:44] <rvalles> pretty much.,
[17:45] <rvalles> Just observing you've made an actual photo of the screen.
[17:45] <rvalles> A screenshot in more ways than one.
[17:45] <Milos|Netbook> ok, I'll keep that in mind, though this gives it more a sense of reality
[17:45] <rvalles> and an excuse to use jpeg
[17:45] <Milos|Netbook> is it?
[17:45] <Milos|Netbook> should I use .gif next time?
[17:45] <rvalles> jpeg, like 16bit, is a pet peeve.
[17:45] <McGooch> are the SD speed fixes in the latest kernel or just in patches?
[17:46] <Milos|Netbook> I got a little lost on what is where, someone else will know the answer to that
[17:46] <rvalles> McGooch: rpi-update should get you in the 20MB/s territory.
[17:47] <rvalles> McGooch: with the fw/kernel that images from a few weeks ago ship, you'd only get about 4MB/s.
[17:47] <McGooch> Thats where I still am, haven had time to work on the pi. was just curious
[17:47] <Milos|Netbook> How did the speed improvement actually come by? Did someone suddenly have an epiphany or what?
[17:47] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: more like this is why it's called a "developer release".
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[17:48] <Milos|Netbook> :O
[17:48] <rvalles> the state when people started getting the boards
[17:48] <rvalles> was "linux boots"
[17:48] <Milos|Netbook> Yum. Boards.
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[17:48] <rvalles> basically.
[17:48] <Milos|Netbook> That's good I'm glad there's lots of progress.
[17:48] <rvalles> once they made SD work, they had other pressing needs.
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[17:48] <Milos|Netbook> I can imagine.
[17:48] <Milos|Netbook> This is great :)
[17:48] <rvalles> Couldn't stop and waste time optimizing SD when, say, there was no graphics (I don't know the actual situation but can imagine)
[17:49] <Milos|Netbook> I completely understand and that makes a lot of sense.
[17:50] <Milos|Netbook> By the way, Sandisk rocks.
[17:50] * SpeedEvil imagines linux boots.
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> Would they be fluffy, and have penguins on?
[17:50] <Milos|Netbook> Yes.
[17:50] <Milos|Netbook> Keep you warm in the winter.
[17:51] <Milos|Netbook> Then you'd have BSD boots.
[17:51] <Milos|Netbook> They would hurt.
[17:51] <Milos|Netbook> Pufferfish etc.
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> np: Sir Swimalot - I like big halibuts.
[17:51] <Milos|Netbook> Well, openbsd anyway.
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[17:53] <Milos|Netbook> oh that's right, back to the swap problem
[17:53] <Milos|Netbook> so the new kernel 3.2.19 boots fine etc, but I get a swap allocation failure in the dmesg out of nowhere
[17:53] <Milos|Netbook> yet htop shows 101MB of swap as it should
[17:53] <Milos|Netbook> I set my swappiness to 1% so it shouldn't even be using it
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[17:53] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: openbsd slippers would be cute, I imagine.
[17:54] <Milos|Netbook> :D
[17:54] <McGooch> What does echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches do?
[17:54] <Milos|Netbook> McGooch, clears the linux cache, otherwise it would be reading from memory.
[17:54] <Milos|Netbook> And it would show a speed much higher.
[17:54] <Milos|Netbook> Because it would be reading from RAM which is basically always faster than SD/HDD/etc.
[17:55] <McGooch> Does the 3 indicate which cache?
[17:55] <rvalles> McGooch: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt
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[17:55] <Milos|Netbook> Basically.
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[17:56] <Milos|Netbook> blah
[17:56] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: now, www.wut.co.nz/images/pi-sd.jpg
[17:56] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: as an exercise, why is that wrong? :P
[17:56] <Milos|Netbook> why am I getting bmalloc allocation failure 0 bytes!
[17:56] <Milos|Netbook> why is what wrong
[17:56] <Milos|Netbook> s/bmalloc/vmalloc/
[17:57] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt
[17:57] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: read the drop_caches part of that.
[17:57] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: hint: something to do with "sync"
[17:57] <Milos|Netbook> uh okay
[17:58] <Milos|Netbook> it will not make a difference
[17:58] <Milos|Netbook> sync just flushes the disk
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[17:58] <Milos|Netbook> got 30MB/s
[17:58] <rvalles> It might. Either way, your procedure was flawed, even conceding the fact you're hitting the fs rather than the blockdev.
[17:58] <Milos|Netbook> ??? what is your point
[17:58] <Milos|Netbook> want me to use hdparm and tell you the speed?
[17:58] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: why do you drop caches? Basically.
[17:59] <AthomIk> rvalles can you pastebin you config.txt ?
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[17:59] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: if you do it so that all reading has to hit the disk, not doing sync makes it meaningless.
[17:59] <Milos|Netbook> rvalles, timing cached reads 87MB/s timing buffered disk rewads: 31.21MB/s
[17:59] <Milos|Netbook> using hdparm -Tt
[17:59] <Milos|Netbook> am I doing something wrong again?
[18:00] <Milos|Netbook> or was it just right? :)
[18:00] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: also notice you're not using sync for writing. (you can do it with dd, see dd manpage)
[18:00] <Diogo> this is possible to read wmv with openelec RaspberryPi
[18:00] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: that was thankfully right.
[18:00] <Milos|Netbook> rvalles, right, so the speed is correct.
[18:00] <Milos|Netbook> sync or no sync, it finishes immediately.
[18:00] <Milos|Netbook> there is nothing left to sync after dd finishes because it's fast enough to flush.
[18:00] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: note the fact dd ends and reports a speed doesn't mean everything is written to the dd.
[18:00] <Milos|Netbook> well it is.
[18:00] <rvalles> *sd.
[18:01] <rvalles> because you never used O_DIRECT
[18:01] <Milos|Netbook> I used --direct ytes
[18:01] <Milos|Netbook> same speed
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[18:01] <Milos|Netbook> do I have to keep taking screenshots, lol
[18:02] <Milos|Netbook> Timing O_DIRECT cached reads 33.6MB/s Timing O_DIRECT disk reads 33.65MB/s
[18:02] <rvalles> whatever, just saying numbers are meaningless if the procedure is flawed
[18:02] <Milos|Netbook> how is the proceduer for hdparm flawed now?
[18:02] <rvalles> if they're any close to what they should be, it's just luck, not correctness.
[18:02] <Milos|Netbook> do I need to && sync after?
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[18:02] <rvalles> hdparm's test is not.
[18:02] <Milos|Netbook> what do I need to do to make you happy?
[18:02] <rvalles> your dd stuff was.
[18:03] <Milos|Netbook> because it seems like everything you suggest I am doing, but it's not enough
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[18:07] <Milos|Netbook> with hdparm and flushing cache: www.wut.co.nz/images/pi-sd2.jpg
[18:07] <Milos|Netbook> same thing
[18:07] <Milos|Netbook> I've done enough testing, I want to fix this swap issue now
[18:07] <rvalles> root@pi:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mmcblk0
[18:07] <rvalles> /dev/mmcblk0:
[18:07] <rvalles> Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 64 MB in 3.03 seconds = 21.11 MB/sec
[18:08] <rvalles> my SD isn't as awesome :/
[18:08] <zgreg> you're probably not doing that crazy SD interface overclocking, or are you?
[18:08] <rvalles> (SDHC class10 32GB transcend)
[18:08] <Milos|Netbook> well I have overclocked the controller to 80MHz, using 3.2.19 with all the latest patches, and using a 95MB/s-rated dandisk
[18:08] <Milos|Netbook> s/dandisk/sandisk/
[18:08] <Milos|Netbook> so it's to be expected.
[18:09] <zgreg> (note that SD interface overclocking is NOT the same as raising the emmc clock)
[18:09] <Milos|Netbook> oh, ok
[18:09] <Milos|Netbook> too hardcore for me
[18:09] <Milos|Netbook> I'll read more on all that later, I want to fix this swap issue. anyone know why linux is trying to vmalloc swap when it has a swappiness value of 1?
[18:10] <Milos|Netbook> in dmesg, on boot?
[18:10] <Milos|Netbook> even though swap is added fine
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[18:10] <rvalles> no clue frankly
[18:10] <Milos|Netbook> :/
[18:10] <rvalles> likely nothing to do with swappiness or not
[18:10] <Milos|Netbook> seemingly
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[18:11] <Milos|Netbook> since it didn't have that error in 3.1.9 with the exact same SD card and swap config
[18:11] <Milos|Netbook> hmmmmmmm
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[18:11] <Milos|Netbook> it's not a deal-breaker anyway, boots fine works great, just an annoying error
[18:12] <AthomIk> seem my raspberry not read the config.txt, or cannot run at 900 mhz...
[18:12] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, just before we all disappear, do you know what the difference is between the clock in .c and the clock in my firmware? Is the former the interface clock and the latter something else? Or what?
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[18:13] <zgreg> Milos|Netbook: the kernel needs to know the actual clock (it cannot query it), to calculate the correct frequency divisor for the SD clock
[18:14] <Milos|Netbook> So what's the config.txt value?
[18:14] <zgreg> if you raise the emmc clock without changing the kernel, those assumptions will be wrong and the kernel will select a higher actual SD frequency
[18:14] <Milos|Netbook> o_O
[18:14] <zgreg> the config.txt configures the actual emmc clock
[18:15] <Milos|Netbook> Oh I see - does the kernel end up syncing?
[18:15] <Milos|Netbook> With the right value?
[18:15] <Milos|Netbook> Or are implications unknown?
[18:15] <zgreg> hm what do you mean?
[18:15] <Milos|Netbook> Well
[18:15] <Milos|Netbook> You have it set at 50Mhz in the kernel, and I set my config.txt to 80Mhz
[18:15] <AthomIk> ok i see bogomips in cat /proc/cpuinfo, but where i see Mhz ?
[18:16] <Milos|Netbook> AthlonRob, that is basically MHz.
[18:16] <Milos|Netbook> I maen AthomIk, sorry.
[18:16] <rvalles> AthomIk: you don't see mhz anywhere, sadly.
[18:16] <Milos|Netbook> If you set it to 900Mhz, it will probably say 899.something
[18:16] <FransWillem> Would anyone know what packages I need to compile on Debian? gcc-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabi doesn't exist somehow :(
[18:16] <rvalles> AthomIk: but bogomips happens to be somewhat close.
[18:16] <rvalles> (in this arm1176, at least)
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[18:17] <AthomIk> rvalles: yes i think my raspberry cannot go at 900 mhz or other that 697.5 bogomips....
[18:17] <AthomIk> is /boot/config.txt is for all distrib ?
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[18:17] <Milos|Netbook> That's 700MHz
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[18:18] <zgreg> Milos|Netbook: in that scenario, the kernel think you have emmc @ 50 MHz and tries to configure your card to 50 MHz clock. it will select a divisor of 1, and the kernel thinks this will then result in 50 MHz SD clock.
[18:18] <Milos|Netbook> AthomIk, you will have to overvolt if you want to do that, but that voids your warranty.
[18:18] <zgreg> Milos|Netbook: but in reality, emmc clock is 80 MHz, and so SD clock is 80 MHz, too
[18:18] <rvalles> AthomIk: cat /boot/config.txt, just to make sure it got written last time.
[18:18] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, I see...
[18:18] <rvalles> AthomIk: also, did you power-cycle it or just reboot? I don't know if reboot does the trick.
[18:18] <Milos|Netbook> reboot definitely does the trick
[18:18] <AthomIk> i have tree line in config.txt
[18:18] <mjr> zgreg, and then the SD interface blows up?
[18:18] <Milos|Netbook> BOOM
[18:18] <AthomIk> rm_freq=900
[18:19] <zgreg> mjr: apparently it works for Milos|Netbook
[18:19] <rvalles> rm?
[18:19] <AthomIk> gpu_freq=250
[18:19] <Milos|Netbook> t works nicely for me.
[18:19] <AthomIk> sdram_freq=500
[18:19] <rvalles> AthomIk: perhaps if you add an a to that rm :P
[18:19] <Milos|Netbook> Stable and fab speeds!
[18:19] <rvalles> AthomIk: it should be arm.
[18:19] <Milos|Netbook> lol, rm
[18:19] <zgreg> I did a similar experiment once, but I experienced problems at about 70 MHz
[18:19] <AthomIk> ok arm :D
[18:19] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, I still can't believe I set it to 0.5GHz on 3.1.9 earlier.
[18:20] <Milos|Netbook> But that worked.
[18:20] <Milos|Netbook> -_-
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[18:20] <zgreg> Milos|Netbook: you were lucky, I guess
[18:20] <Milos|Netbook> It doesn't seem to cause any damage.
[18:20] <Milos|Netbook> But who knows.
[18:21] <AthomIk> wait the reboot whit arm :D
[18:21] <Milos|Netbook> It's not like the integer overflowed or anything.
[18:21] <rvalles> AthomIk: good luck.
[18:22] <Milos|Netbook> [ 35.236828] vmalloc: allocation failure: 0 bytes
[18:22] <Milos|Netbook> [ 35.236864] modprobe: page allocation failure: order:0, mode:0xd0
[18:22] <Milos|Netbook> hmmmmmmm
[18:23] <rvalles> somebody requests 0 bytes? O_O
[18:23] <Milos|Netbook> yay lots of hits on google
[18:23] <Milos|Netbook> and under my distro
[18:23] <Milos|Netbook> must be solvable :D
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[18:23] <rvalles> what distro is that, Milos|Netbook?
[18:23] <Milos|Netbook> Gentoo
[18:23] <AthomIk> rvalles: Milos|Netbook for 900 Mhz i must change sdram_freq=500
[18:23] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: yay.
[18:23] <Milos|Netbook> Um
[18:23] <AthomIk> rvalles: Milos|Netbook for 900 Mhz i must change over_voltage ???
[18:23] <Milos|Netbook> AthomIk, that is RAM!
[18:24] <Milos|Netbook> I had LOTS OF PROBLEMS with RAM at 500MHz
[18:24] <AthomIk> yes error
[18:24] <Milos|Netbook> I recommend you do not change sdram now.
[18:24] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: that's my fav distro. Using debian (raspbian) just to play with it, as I hadn't used debian in a while.
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[18:24] <Milos|Netbook> You can increase CPU to 900MHz alone. That is all you can do without overvolting.
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[18:24] <Milos|Netbook> rvalles, gentoo is your fav? (pls say yes ;))
[18:24] <rvalles> Also tried arch, but didn't like the state of their rpi stuff.
[18:24] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: yes
[18:24] <Milos|Netbook> :D
[18:24] <Milos|Netbook> I use it on all my servers, because I'm crazy.
[18:25] <rvalles> I use it everywhere, too.
[18:25] <Milos|Netbook> Woohoo!
[18:25] <Milos|Netbook> The craziest thing I've done
[18:25] <rvalles> Nothing to do with crazyness. IMHO whoever uses something else on his servers is just asking for trouble.
[18:25] <Milos|Netbook> is while I was on holiday in europe, I compiled a new kernel for a school I work at, and rebooted their main server, and it booted fine
[18:25] <AthomIk> humm my sd card is old, 4/5 year....
[18:25] * rvalles not fond of the intrusive approach other distros take.
[18:25] <rvalles> gentoo doesn't get in the way.
[18:26] <rvalles> or at the very least, it gets less in the way than the other, popular distros seem to do.
[18:26] <Milos|Netbook> Compile time is the only drawback I think.
[18:26] <Milos|Netbook> that's why I make all the servers beefy first.
[18:26] <Milos|Netbook> Works great though. I'm glad to have an opinion from you that I agree with, LOL
[18:26] <rvalles> wasn't much trouble on my (free) vps
[18:26] <rvalles> at bigv.io
[18:27] <rvalles> (bytemark's new VPS thingy, currently free beta)
[18:27] <Milos|Netbook> ah, I have gentoo on linode as well, isn't bad there either
[18:27] <Milos|Netbook> but I mean
[18:27] <Milos|Netbook> on my rpi
[18:27] <Milos|Netbook> you know.
[18:27] <Milos|Netbook> ./configure
[18:27] <Milos|Netbook> takes 30 days to finish
[18:27] <rvalles> (basically a glorified IaaS refresh of what they already had)
[18:27] <Milos|Netbook> checking for rvalles ...
[18:27] <rvalles> Milos|Netbook: distcc?
[18:27] <Milos|Netbook> yeah but ./configure still happens on the host
[18:27] <Milos|Netbook> can't distribute ./configure
[18:28] <rvalles> oh right
[18:28] <Milos|Netbook> yeah
[18:28] <Milos|Netbook> ./configure is what takes long :D
[18:28] <rvalles> must be the lack of sugar
[18:28] <Milos|Netbook> compiling is fine, with distcc anyway
[18:28] <rvalles> gonna eat lunch (baked a pizza, oven alarm ringing now)
[18:28] <Milos|Netbook> I have 3G Internet on my rpi, and I compiled glibc via disctt over the Internet, it used 1GB -_-
[18:28] <Milos|Netbook> ok, I'll probably be in bed, it's 4:30am here.
[18:28] <Milos|Netbook> nice talking to you
[18:29] <rvalles> good night, Milos.
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[18:29] <Milos|Netbook> good lunch, rvalles
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[18:29] <AthomIk> well 3 reboot and rapberry can read sd....
[18:30] <AthomIk> well, i have a 898.66
[18:30] <AthomIk> bogomips
[18:30] <Milos> that's good
[18:30] <Milos> you have 900MHz now
[18:30] <Milos> congrats
[18:31] <AthomIk> yes, but you say, don't touch ram config ?
[18:32] <Milos|Netbook> AthomIk, when I tried 500MHz, I had lots of problems (not permanent) but if you want you can try 450 first.
[18:32] <Milos|Netbook> The stock is 400Mhz, by the way.
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[18:32] <Milos|Netbook> AthomIk, actually - I think if you try any higher than the stock 400MHz, you will have problems because you are not overvolting.
[18:32] <Milos|Netbook> You can try it though!
[18:32] <Milos|Netbook> Nothing hurts if you don't overvolt.
[18:33] <Milos|Netbook> Once you start overvolting (if you ever do) you must be careful not to put too high a value.
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[18:33] <AthomIk> Milos|Netbook: what s limit ???
[18:33] <Milos|Netbook> For which setting?
[18:33] <AthomIk> for overvolting ?
[18:33] <AthomIk> 898.66
[18:34] <AthomIk> over_voltage ??
[18:34] <friggle> anyone have an idea on forcing console keymaps to be cached before first boot? setupcon --force --save-only before exporting the image apparently isn't sufficient
[18:34] <Milos|Netbook> Ok, the stock voltage is 1.2V if I remember correctly, and if you set over_voltage to 1 that will increase the volage by 0.025V. If you make it 2, it will increase by 2 * 0.025V, et cetera.
[18:34] <Milos|Netbook> Do not go over 8, as that will significantly decrease the lifetime of your pi.
[18:34] <Reeves> Hello Guys I have a question concerning the power supply needed for the raspberry pi: will a 5V-1A output usb charger, that came with my samsung smartphone be ok? I read that the raspberry needs 750-870mA i dont wanna fry it the first time i connect
[18:34] <Milos|Netbook> Remember, if you overclock, you VOID your warranty permanently.
[18:35] <Milos|Netbook> Sorry, I mean overvolt!
[18:35] <zgreg> as if that matters
[18:35] <AthomIk> think you i can play at wesnoth with this ???
[18:35] <Milos|Netbook> I know right.
[18:35] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, it's good to warn people though, right? :)
[18:35] <zgreg> sure, but the pi is a very cheap device and it's very unlikely you'll destroy it through overclocking anyway
[18:35] <Milos|Netbook> AthomIk, I have mine overvolt setting on 8, but you should increase yours slowly if you want to try.
[18:36] <Milos|Netbook> :)
[18:36] <Milos|Netbook> zgreg, nek minit?
[18:36] <Milos|Netbook> Actually I don't know if people know that meme.
[18:36] <Milos|Netbook> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTZyorJVeqI
[18:37] <Milos|Netbook> It's a local thing.
[18:37] <AthomIk> Milos|Netbook: thk for you re help on overvolting
[18:37] <Milos|Netbook> AthomIk, no worries. Good luck.
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[18:38] <Milos|Netbook> rvalles, I found the issue: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-908032-start-0.html
[18:38] <Milos|Netbook> rvalles, CONFIG_EXPERT=y &&
[18:38] <Milos|Netbook> CONFIG_KALLSYMS=y fixes
[18:38] <Milos|Netbook> or CONFIG_EXPERT=n, apparently.
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[18:38] <Milos|Netbook> Anyway, bedtime for me. See you all later.
[18:39] <Reeves> Bye!
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[18:40] <AthomIk> exist a way, for small boot with sd card and use hdd usd ?
[18:40] <Milos|Netbook> Yup, should be possible.
[18:40] <mjr> yes
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[18:42] <mjr> Reeves, that should worl
[18:42] <AthomIk> what s you use for powered you raspberry ?
[18:42] <AthomIk> because if i connect mouse and keyboard, i have problem
[18:42] <Milos|Netbook> You need a hub, then.
[18:42] <mjr> Reeves, having the supply capable of 1A is good anyway so you have some capacity for (low-power) usb devices
[18:43] <Milos|Netbook> mjr, is it 700mA for the device itself with additional requierd for USB?
[18:43] <AthomIk> mjr: 5V 1A ?
[18:43] <Milos|Netbook> That's fine.
[18:43] <Reeves> great mjr, that sounds very good thank you! I was afraod of supplying "to much" ampere, if that is even possible, that is why i asked
[18:43] <Milos|Netbook> You can't supply too much.
[18:43] <Milos|Netbook> It will draw all it needs.
[18:44] <Reeves> thank you milos
[18:44] <mjr> Reeves, the supply doesn't "push" amperes, the Pi "pulls" it. The supply just needs to be able to supply enough.
[18:44] <mjr> voltage is a "push" thing, current isn't
[18:44] <Reeves> sounds great! mjr thanks
[18:44] <AthomIk> 6V 500mA is not good ?
[18:44] * Milos|Netbook feeds mjr 150V
[18:44] <mjr> AthomIk, no, it's not good
[18:45] <AthomIk> 5.1V 0.7mA ?
[18:45] <Milos|Netbook> Sounds fine.
[18:45] <Milos|Netbook> That will do.
[18:45] <Milos|Netbook> Not for USB though, maybe.
[18:45] <mjr> AthomIk, that might work, it's pretty close to 5. I won't be held responsible though ;]
[18:45] <Reeves> i'm sure i can find this in the Forums somewhere but i dont know who to trust: can i go with a 64gb sd card as well or is 32 max?
[18:45] <Milos|Netbook> I dunno that one. :/
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[18:46] <Milos|Netbook> Are you looking to buy 64GB?
[18:46] <mjr> IIRC somebody once said that his Pi didn't work on 5.2V, but that's a tad higher still anyway.
[18:46] <Reeves> yes, i have some stuff i am not keen on streaming
[18:46] <Reeves> i would like to run it locally
[18:46] <Reeves> and therefore i would need >32gb
[18:46] <Milos|Netbook> I can't say, you'll have to keep asking or someone else could confirm. zgreg any idea if the SD card slot supports >32GB?
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[18:46] <AthomIk> mjr: my pi work on 5.1V .7 A, at this time
[18:47] <AthomIk> but no keyboard or mouse or other
[18:47] <mjr> *nod*
[18:47] <mjr> Reeves, how about a small usb stick?
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[18:48] <Reeves> mjr that would be my alternative
[18:48] <Reeves> but if i'm ok for 64gb of course i would like to try that :)
[18:48] <Milos|Netbook> Gamble!
[18:48] <AthomIk> humm i try irssi on my raspberry
[18:48] <Milos|Netbook> Buy it and see what happens.
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[18:48] <Reeves> but 32 is definatly ok? or is even anything <8gb not tested yet?
[18:49] <Reeves> >8gb* sorry
[18:49] <Milos|Netbook> I'm using 16GB just fine.
[18:49] <Milos|Netbook> In fact, Reeves, I remember seeing a supported SD card list.
[18:49] <Milos|Netbook> Did you read through that?
[18:49] <mjr> yeah SDHC only goes up to 32GB (by user-hostile arbitrary decision). I don't know if there's a chance to get bigger ones working outside the spec anyway, though.
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[18:49] <Reeves> great milos i will google that :)
[18:49] <AthomIk> hello, i am on my rapberry over ssh
[18:50] <Milos|Netbook> Reeves, http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[18:50] <Milos|Netbook> Reeves, I think this is what I saw.
[18:50] <Milos|Netbook> Reeves, I see 32GB on it too.
[18:51] <Milos|Netbook> Lots of times.
[18:51] <Milos|Netbook> Nothing greater though; could be a brick wall >32GB.
[18:51] <mjr> hmm, interesting that: 64GB microSDXC Class 6 Mobile Ultra (SDSDQY-064G-A11A) (boots up much more consistently with latest firmware)
[18:51] <mjr> implies it doesn't boot up as consistently as it could though ;)
[18:51] <Milos|Netbook> Oops, I missed that one.
[18:51] <Milos|Netbook> Good spotting.
[18:52] <Reeves> great stuff milos thanks a million
[18:52] <zgreg> SDXC cards will work fine
[18:52] <Milos|Netbook> No problem Reeves, good luck.
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[18:52] <zgreg> the only difference between SDHC and SDXC is the standard filesystem
[18:53] <zgreg> FAT32 is only specified to work up to 32 GB partition size, and that's why SDHC only supports 32 GB
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[18:53] <zgreg> SDXC uses exFAT instead
[18:54] <zgreg> but, the basic interface for talking to the cards on the block device level is unchanged
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[18:59] <AthomIk> where is xen :D
[19:01] <mjr> zgreg, I've been wondering about that for a while, whether they support the old data transfer / addressing modes, knowing that technically they'll work higher. Good if so.
[19:03] <zgreg> the SDHC addressing scheme can support capacities up to 2 TB :D
[19:03] <zgreg> that's with the default block size of 512 bytes, with 2K blocks it's even more, 8 TB
[19:03] <AthomIk> very thk for all, have a good day, i go test wesnoth :D
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[19:05] <DaMummy|PND> raspbian the best current OS?
[19:07] <mjr> yeah I know, that's why I said "user-hostile arbitrary decision" :]
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[19:11] <rvalles> "the best" "OS"
[19:11] <rvalles> material plenty for a flamewar.
[19:13] <zgreg> mjr: well, SDHC-capable devices won't magically get exFAT support, so I can sort of understand why they opted for a new name
[19:13] <th0t> ok, i have what might be a dumb question - can you power the pi off a usb hub and also connect the pi to the hub so it can access the usb devices on the hub?
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[19:14] <th0t> or do i need a separate power supply to power the pi, then just plug the pi into the hub normally?
[19:14] <th0t> *powered* usb hub
[19:14] <zgreg> mjr: I just think it wasn't very farsighted to use FAT32 for SDHC to start with
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[19:16] <DaMummy|PND> hubs will usually only provide 500mah from usb slot. rpi needs 700mah
[19:17] <th0t> DaMummy|PND: thx, yah, i should thought of that - ok, separate power support and powered usb hub it is then - thx again ;-}
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[19:19] <rvalles> zgreg: Windows. :/
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[19:20] <zgreg> rvalles: that, and the lack of a simple general-purpose filesystem that does not suck
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[19:21] <rvalles> zgreg: ext3, minixfs3 do the trick imo.
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[19:23] <MBS> what about using a hub and one of those dual usb cords that some external 2.5" drives use
[19:24] <DaMummy|PND> where is the hub connected? cant use pc usb ports either :/
[19:25] <friggle> ....what? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1986127174/designing-an-affordable-and-beautiful-raspberry-pi
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[19:28] <nidO> $15,000 for a case project? seems shady as hell to me
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[19:29] <friggle> it's the fan mount I'm mostly bemused by
[19:29] <friggle> I think the Adafruit case looks great http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:24461 anyone bought or made one?
[19:29] <friggle> I'll have to try it out on the laser cutter at the lab
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[19:30] <nidO> I just have 2 modmypi cases on order, still hoping for the opportunity to get a single case thatll hold multiple (ideally 5) pis though
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[19:33] <reider59> Bring on the Wheezy Beta....so we can play lol
[19:33] <zgreg> shady as hell? yes, kickstarter in general is quite shady ;)
[19:34] <zgreg> lol, with fan mount!
[19:34] <friggle> reider59: I managed to reproduce the corruption on the /boot partition locally, and so I'm not going to ship anything until we get to the bottom of that
[19:35] <reider59> okies, let's hope it doesn`t take too long
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[19:36] <friggle> zgreg: after I get some food I'm going to see if I can reproduce the config.txt corruption before your patchset got merged
[19:37] <friggle> zgreg: it's most odd, part of the new config.txt never seems to make it to disk
[19:38] <zgreg> hm... I don't see this here
[19:38] <friggle> zgreg: e.g. this is the diff of a hexdumped boot partition http://pastebin.com/Q2ZkSw1T (where the second dump is taken after 1) making the edit, 2) sync, 3) umount)
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[19:46] <reider59> I got a brilliant electronics starter kit in acrylic, jumper leads etc that Gordon mentioned a few days ago. Has a base for the RPi inc room for a breadboard, then a lid is screwed down on to pillars. that's for doing experiments on but the main acrylic case arrived today. that one, the side unhatches and opens then allows one of the long side pieces to open. The RPi goes inside and both sides are closed leaving it fully enc
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[19:47] <reider59> ow
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[19:55] <mikey_w> reider59, the url for the starter kit please.
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[19:56] <reider59> They were out of stock but hopefully that changes, hang on
[19:56] <AthomIk> hey
[19:56] <AthomIk> how i can configure hdmi sound ?
[19:56] <AthomIk> i use debian
[19:56] <rvalles> that case earlier -> a fan? hard to get more silly.
[19:57] <AthomIk> debian 3.1.9 kernel
[19:57] <reider59> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-a-p-1070.html
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[19:57] <reider59> well worth waiting for
[19:57] <reider59> or get the bigger, more expensive one
[19:57] <Reeves> hey guys will an ordinary hdmi to dvi converter do?
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[19:59] <AthomIk> alsa work on linux arm ?
[20:00] <rvalles> Reeves: it should.
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[20:00] <Reeves> thanks rvalles
[20:01] <rvalles> AthomIk: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=8242
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[20:02] <reider59> if you get stuck then wait for the Debian Wheezy Beta, sound is already configured
[20:04] <rvalles> reider59: not raspbian? something else?
[20:04] <reider59> No, not Raspbian
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[20:06] <reider59> In Debian, when not preconfigured, it's a mod probe command and then another that switches it to the anologue port from the HDMI. Not sure how it`s done in Raspbian, their should be a menu setting by rights I`d think.
[20:08] <Reeves> were any of the modelB units with faulty ethernet ports actually ever shipped?
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[20:11] <tech2077> hmm, time to do a lot of work on tty
[20:11] <tech2077> i just wish i had an lcd module to test as i write this
[20:12] <tech2077> hopefully i can actually get a tty onto a spi lcd
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[20:17] <rvalles> reider59: so softfp :/
[20:17] <Milos> Looks like I haven't gone to bed yet.
[20:17] <Milos> And now it's 6:15am.
[20:17] <rvalles> reider59: imho the foundation itself should setup builds and mirrors for wheezy hardfp :/
[20:17] * rvalles not very happy about raspbian donation-asking.
[20:18] <rvalles> should instead find a sponsor that provides them with vps for mirrors and building.
[20:19] <Milos> zgreg, I noticed something new with the 3.2.19 kernel. I run gpsd on the rpi, it generates 40k interrupts, but it never caused the load average to increase on 3.1.9 - sits nicely on 0.00. With 3.2.19 however, the load average surpasses 1 while receiving data from the GPS via USB. Just my two cents, I'm not asking you to do anything! :)
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[20:20] <zgreg> Milos: bootc is the right person for most things concerning the 3.2 kernel
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[20:20] <Milos> zgreg, noted, thanks.
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[20:30] <Alkarex> Hello, has someone tried ffmpeg under Debian Wheezy on Raspberry Pi? I get an error "Illegal instruction" just by starting ffmpeg. strace: http://pastebin.com/7RHCr3B2
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[20:30] <Alkarex> I test the image from http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8071
[20:31] <Alkarex> ffmpeg works fine on Debian Squeeze
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[20:45] <Alkarex> Apparently, the error is due to a processor instruction used at compile time but not available on Raspberry Pi
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[20:47] <Alkarex> I guess the only solution it to recompile from source... Strange, because the compiled ffmpeg version from apt-get works on Debian Squeeze
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[21:01] <FransWillem> Would anyone know what the APB clock could be, and how it would influence or set the UART_CLK ?
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[21:08] <DaMummy|PND> on first install, will blutooth dongle work right away to use bt mouse and keyboard, or will i have to connect usb mouse and keyboards first and tinker around to get bt dongle to work properly?
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[21:24] <mick2004> hi, i've tried to copy the new firmwares and the new kernel.img to the sd card manually. but then rpi won't work anymore. if i try it over rpi-update it works. what's the difference there?
[21:25] <zgreg> define "doesn't work", does it not boot at all?
[21:25] <zgreg> manually updating the firmware and kernel should work fine
[21:25] <FransWillem> mick2004: Did you also copy the modules ?
[21:25] <DaMummy|PND> define "copy"
[21:25] <trevorman> what zgreg said
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[21:26] <mikey_w> it must be the copyrights
[21:26] <trevorman> somebody else had trouble doing manual update. it turns out they were saving the HTML download page and not the actual files.
[21:26] <zgreg> FransWillem: those aren't required to work at all
[21:26] <zgreg> FransWillem: everything essential is in the kernel itself
[21:26] <FransWillem> zgreg: For me it was. Not sure what kernel I was coming from, but it wouldn't boot at all unless I also copied over the modules that fit with it
[21:27] <trevorman> mick2004: you downloaded the files properly?
[21:27] <mick2004> raspberry throwed errors on boot. maybe modules where missing? where to put them?
[21:27] <trevorman> ah. what errors
[21:27] <trevorman> you need to be more specific about "won't work anymore"
[21:29] <zgreg> just run rpi-update now, it'll fix the kernel modules
[21:29] <mick2004> i don't know anymore, becuase i set it up again and updated over rpi-update only. i didn't find something in the forums, that's why i'm asking here.
[21:29] <DaQatz> !channel
[21:29] <DaQatz> !channel
[21:29] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-osdev #raspbian #rpi-gentoo #raspberrypi-owners
[21:30] <neofutur> mick2004: next time pastebin the errors if you eant answers
[21:31] <mick2004> second, i've got problems to play movies using omxplayer. audio works just fine but the movie plays too fast. regarding this problem i did also not find anything on the web.
[21:31] <neofutur> what did you do before using rpi-update ?
[21:31] <hermanhermitage> chickensalt
[21:39] <zgreg> friggle: I fixed that SD problem you told me about earlier (at least I think so, cannot reproduce :3)
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[21:40] <three14> oh, it was you, zgreg that patched the kernel to fix the slow sd card issues?
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[21:47] <Nistur> Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any luck with raspbmc and wifi dongles?
[21:47] <zgreg> three14: yeah
[21:49] <three14> zgreg, thank you so much. you have no idea how much time it's saved.
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[21:50] <mick2004> Nistur: WiFi drivers are not included in the kernel.
[21:51] <mick2004> I had the same question and found the answer somewhere in a forum.
[21:51] <sraue> Nistur, OpenELEC has wifi support, if your driver is included depends on your wifi dongle
[21:52] <Nistur> yeah, I was trying to work with MrEngman's stuff, but it seems the kernel it's compiled for is slightly different and not compatible
[21:52] <friggle> zgreg: where's your patch?
[21:52] <friggle> zgreg: oh yes, you linked to it. Stupid forum making links invisible
[21:53] <Nistur> sraue: it's an 8188SU apparently
[21:55] <Nistur> I'll try OpenELEC
[21:56] <mick2004> did anybody install slitaz? i got the image from the wiki but usb keyboards do not work on firts login.
[21:56] <zgreg> friggle: are you rghon the forums, btw?
[21:56] <zgreg> or did you just have the same problem as rgh?
[21:56] <friggle> zgreg: no, I'm asb on the forums
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[22:01] <three14> lol, which one of you is responsible for this: http://imgur.com/a/PDI3v
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[22:02] <rasper> anyone know of a distro that iptables is in the kernel?
[22:02] <zleap> maybe one of the firewall distros not sure
[22:02] <rasper> or that bridge utils work in ?
[22:03] <rasper> iptables would be the best for my project
[22:03] <zleap> not sure
[22:04] <zleap> it was just a suggestion for further investigation
[22:04] <chris_99> huh rasper, iptables is a usermode command
[22:04] <rasper> yea I know , but it requires kernel modules
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[22:04] <chris_99> netfilter is in the kernel
[22:04] <chris_99> what do you mean then?
[22:05] <rasper> non of the iptables modules are compiled with the deb distro
[22:05] <friggle> rasper: there are a lot more in the wheezy image http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8071
[22:05] <friggle> rasper: but sounds like I have missed some
[22:05] <rasper> or bridge utils
[22:07] <rasper> bummer
[22:07] <rasper> may look at ipfire
[22:07] <friggle> rasper: though I'll go through the config again and make sure they're included before the next release
[22:07] <Nistur> why is it that my pi doesn't always turn on? A lot of the time I just get the PWR light, but no video output
[22:08] <neofutur> rasper: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep NETFILTER
[22:08] <rasper> anyone using the arch image?
[22:09] <neofutur> the default kernel have modules for netfilter, you just need to install iptables package and modprobe the netfilter modules you need nop ?
[22:09] <Reeves> hey guys, does anyone know if boards with the faulty ethernet port were even dispatched to customers?
[22:09] <zgreg> friggle: I just use phpBB's default theme now as nobody seems to care about fixing the fancy rpi theme
[22:09] <Reeves> or did the manufacturerers notice before shipping?
[22:09] <rasper> no you need ipt_masq and all the iptables modules. not just netfilter
[22:10] <zgreg> friggle: and there are *many* issues with that theme
[22:10] <rasper> you also need the 802.11x stuff for bridge-utils
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[22:13] <AthomIk> iptables v1.4.8: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?)
[22:13] <AthomIk> how i can have this filter table ?
[22:13] <AthomIk> use last debian img
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[22:17] <AthomIk> :( # CONFIG_NETFILTER is not set
[22:17] <AthomIk> why this ?
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[22:18] <rasper> athomik I feel your pain
[22:18] <rasper> I am loading arch now to see if it's there
[22:19] <rasper> same with bridge-utils
[22:19] <DaMummy|PND> got a red and yellow LED on trying to turn on rpi. whats that mean?
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[22:21] <rasper> anyone know of a distro that iptables and/or bridge-util kernel deps are met ?
[22:22] <AthomIk> find this http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation#Ubuntu_Linux
[22:22] <rasper> athomik looks like ipfire maybe
[22:23] <rasper> yea was hoping for something quicker , but
[22:23] <rasper> I have seen where people have recompiled with support and it works
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[22:24] <AthomIk> ok i go to test this cross compil....
[22:24] <rasper> http://people.ipfire.org/~arne_f/testing/RPi/
[22:25] <rredd4> how do I put raspbian on the sd card using a mac to install it
[22:25] <rasper> although I don't want a firewall platform , may serve my needs for the moment
[22:25] <friggle> rasper: did you try my latest wheezy image? If it doesn't have the kernel modules you need, please let me know which ones
[22:25] <hermanhermitage> speaking of links, can someone help me find one on the internet?
[22:26] <rasper> friggle you have a link?
[22:26] <friggle> rasper: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8071
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[22:27] <stephan48> does openelec work with usb speakers?
[22:27] <rasper> yes I did try that image and no go
[22:27] <sraue> stephan48, no, because XBMC for RPi dont use ALSA
[22:28] <friggle> rasper: on my todo list https://github.com/asb/spindle/issues/45
[22:28] <stephan48> sraue: to bad
[22:29] <rasper> I think you are missing the ipt_masquerade
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[22:29] <sraue> stephan48, whats the advantage of using usb speakers?
[22:29] <rasper> the 802.11x stuff would be nice for the bridging
[22:29] <rasper> too
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[22:31] <stephan48> sraue: they are far more powerfull than my tubes buildin speaker
[22:31] <stephan48> s
[22:31] <stephan48> i can position them freely
[22:31] <rasper> arch dosen't even work for me
[22:31] <rasper> blank screen
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[22:34] <nze> hi, just booted debian on my raspberry and it seems to work so far, but i don't have a screen with hdmi input.
[22:34] <dirty_d> rasper, probably need to change the hdmi mode
[22:34] <nze> shouldn't the debian distro have ssh enabled by default?
[22:34] <rasper> how do I do that dirty_d?
[22:35] <rasper> nze I use hdmi to dvi cable
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[22:35] <hermanhermitage> nze: maybe but the password is public
[22:35] <friggle> nze: for the wheezy image we compromise and start ssh by default, but on first boot let the user change htier password
[22:35] <dirty_d> rasper, in the fat32 partition there is a config.txt file
[22:35] <nze> dhcp gave it an ip, but scanning it revealed only port 111 open
[22:35] <rredd4> anyone use raspbian?
[22:35] <dirty_d> you set the hdmi mode there
[22:36] <dirty_d> rredd4, yea
[22:36] <nze> rasper: don't happen to have one of those around :/
[22:36] <friggle> nze: on the squeeze image, there is a file you can rename so that ssh will start on next boot
[22:36] <friggle> nze: in the boot partition (fat32). boot_eenable_ssh.rc or similar
[22:36] <rredd4> dirty_d what instructions did you use to install it to the sd card?
[22:36] <dirty_d> i didnt use any
[22:36] <rasper> ahh dirty_d what are my options?
[22:36] <dirty_d> i just did
[22:36] <nze> friggle: hen-and-egg paradox there; can't log in to move the file allowing me to log in ;)
[22:37] <dirty_d> dd if=blah.img of=/dev/sdd bs=4k
[22:37] <rredd4> ok
[22:37] <friggle> nze: it's on the boot partition, so you can do it on whatever you used to write the image
[22:37] <dirty_d> rasper, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[22:38] <rredd4> dirty_d u use windows, linux, or mac to dd...
[22:38] <hermanhermitage> nze: put boot_enable_ssh.rc on root
[22:38] <dirty_d> rredd4, linux
[22:38] <nze> friggle: what's my best bet then..? logging into the squeeze and trying to rename the file blindly?
[22:38] <three14> rredd4, if you are comfortable/familiar with a debian netinstall, you can use the Raspbian Installer.
[22:38] <hermanhermitage> nze: ie take the SD out and stick in another machine
[22:38] <AthomIk> here a user have compile his kernel for iptables ?
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[22:38] <rredd4> three14 cool, its on the raspbian website?
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[22:39] <mythos> it is not that hard in general to compile a kernel nowadays
[22:39] <three14> rredd4, yep. http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller But you'll want to update it afterwards, and be sre to run rpi-update as well.
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[22:39] <nze> hermanhermitage: yeah ofc, thanks, didn't think of that -_-"
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[22:39] <hermanhermitage> nze: i see your pain, i went thru it as well
[22:39] <hermanhermitage> as i was headless
[22:40] <rredd4> three14 ok
[22:40] <nze> hermanhermitage: headless nails it
[22:41] <rredd4> three14 its for what os? linux?
[22:44] <three14> rredd4, basically you just extrct the contents of the installer to a fat32 formatted sdcard, then boot it. it'll run a netinstall and do all of the partitioning and whatnot for you. just fiollow the directions on that page.
[22:45] <three14> rredd4, one thing you may want to watch for is that it'll, by default, attempt to give you an ext3 fs on the rootfs (i changed it to ext4)
[22:46] <rredd4> ok
[22:46] <AthomIk> mythos: lol, not compile on raspberry, cross compile on linux
[22:46] <mythos> AthomIk, both doable ;)
[22:47] <dirty_d> im trying to get scratchbox2 working right
[22:47] <dirty_d> to compile on my pc for the RPi
[22:47] <dirty_d> [SB2 emulate archlinux_arm] root@themachine mnt # cat <(echo "Hello")
[22:47] <dirty_d> cat: /dev/fd/63: No such file or directory
[22:47] <dirty_d> i cant figure out why this is happening
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[22:48] <zgreg> I wonder if there are still SD cards that do not work on the pi with the updated driver
[22:48] <zgreg> anyone here?
[22:48] <mythos> AthomIk, i'm waiting for the official raspbian-kernel out of the repository. because updating for security purpose is serious business, even if i could easily do it by myself
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[22:51] <three14> zgreg, i could test this kingston 2gb microsd > sd card adapter I have. It's been hit or miss in the past.
[22:51] <zgreg> three14: please do, if you have the time
[22:51] <three14> zgreg, ok, i will try it in a bit.
[22:52] <zgreg> if you get the "final write to SD card still running" error, please also try the updated image from the post http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=5057&start=125#p101813
[22:52] <mythos> zgreg, if you have a tar.gz for /boot and /lib/modules, i'm happy to test it
[22:52] <zgreg> yeah, I can provide that
[22:56] <AthomIk> i test this http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/
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[22:56] <zgreg> well, that's something different
[22:59] <three14> writing an image to this 2gb takes ages. haha. 3-5MB/s
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[23:00] <zgreg> I have all necessary files bundled together: http://greg.kinoho.net/rpi-sd-testkit.tar.bz2
[23:00] <mythos> oh, nice
[23:01] <three14> would you prefer i use this as well, zgreg?
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[23:04] <zgreg> yeah
[23:04] <dirty_d> you dont really need to use dd to image the sd card
[23:04] <dirty_d> `cat file.img > /dev/sd?` will probably be faster
[23:05] <zgreg> yes, cat might be more clever about choosing the right block size
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[23:05] <mythos> this is going to take a while (gziping /boot and /lib/modules on the pi is not like a rocket)
[23:05] <dirty_d> the block size doesnt even matter
[23:05] <dirty_d> thats old school stuff for like tape drives
[23:05] <zgreg> in my experience this still matters
[23:05] <dirty_d> how?
[23:06] <friggle> just do dd with bs=1M or bs=4M
[23:06] <three14> mythos, ha, might be even longer for me, i'm in win7 waiting on a download. will boot over to linux in a bit.
[23:06] <zgreg> anyway, bbl
[23:06] <dmsuse> http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_756415_langId_-1_categoryId_255229
[23:06] <dmsuse> could a pi power that?
[23:06] <zgreg> need to buy some food and stuff before the shops close
[23:06] <dirty_d> i can see it being useful for where there are errors
[23:07] <rredd4> three14 unable to get the pi to boot off sd card. formatted to fat, extracted the file to the sd card. the pi green light does not come on.
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[23:08] <rredd4> three14 used mac and linux pc's
[23:08] <dirty_d> rredd4, tahts not how you do it
[23:08] <dirty_d> you need to image it
[23:08] <rredd4> oh
[23:08] <dirty_d> the file doesnt go on the sd card, the file IS the sd card
[23:09] <three14> dirty_d, he's not using an img to my knowledge, he's attempting to use the raspbian installer.
[23:09] <dirty_d> rredd4, youre on widnows?
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[23:09] <rredd4> no
[23:09] <rredd4> linux
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[23:09] <three14> dirty_d: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[23:10] <three14> he should only need to create a single fat32 partition, then extract the contents of the installer to the fat32 partition
[23:10] <dirty_d> oh ok
[23:10] <rredd4> thats what i did
[23:10] <rredd4> but no img
[23:11] <three14> can you verify that it's fat32?
[23:11] <dirty_d> rredd4, use this isntead
[23:11] <dirty_d> http://www.raspbian.org/PiscesImages
[23:11] <dirty_d> the installer is POC
[23:11] <bob_binz> might want this link for installer: http://multiupload.biz/rhsks1ipgc5l/installer-kernel_MultiUpload.biz.zip.html - jerry.tk just issued update
[23:11] <rredd4> dirty_d the properties says msdos, but i selected fat
[23:12] <dirty_d> why use an isntaller when you have a ready to use image?
[23:12] <bob_binz> POC=?
[23:12] <dirty_d> proof of concept
[23:12] <dirty_d> not price of crap
[23:12] <bob_binz> lol
[23:12] <dirty_d> piece
[23:12] <dirty_d> price of crap is $0
[23:12] <bob_binz> thx, was thinking :)
[23:12] <dirty_d> lol
[23:13] <bob_binz> no reason for installer really - but as the raspbian link was pointed to, I thought I'd mention the update
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[23:15] <rredd4> dirty_d this is what is loaded on the sd card: arm128_start.elf, arm192_start.elf, arm224_start.elf, bootcode.bin, cmdline.txt, config.txt, issue.txt, kernel.img, loader.bin, start.elf
[23:15] <rredd4> kernel.img
[23:15] <rredd4> loader.bin
[23:15] <rredd4> start.elf
[23:15] <friggle> zgreg: your new kernel seems to fix my config.txt corruption.
[23:15] <three14> dirty_d, i only suggested the installer as an alternative to an image, since he said he'd had problems with the previous image he'd tried.
[23:16] <friggle> cheers
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[23:16] <bob_binz> anyone using bootc 3.2.19 kernel with latest f/w & raspbian, and happy?
[23:17] <dirty_d> three14, ahh
[23:17] <three14> rredd4, anyway, be sure the partition's fs id is correct in fdisk, and that the partition has a bootable flag. iirc, you can create a fat32 fs with: mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/whatever
[23:17] <dirty_d> bob_binz, i used it on arch, worked fine
[23:17] <dirty_d> rredd4, which image did you try first?
[23:17] <dirty_d> rredd4, did you run `sync` after imaging it?
[23:18] <rredd4> dirty_d did not use image, extracted installer files to sd card
[23:18] <rredd4> and no to 2nd question
[23:19] <bob_binz> ok thx dirty_d, it's working generally ok here too, on raspbian, but I'm still having usb issues, gonna try new hub tomorrow i think
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[23:21] <dirty_d> bob_binz, yea its probably the hub
[23:21] <dirty_d> rredd4, use this image http://www.raspbian.org/PiscesImages
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[23:21] <rredd4> ok
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[23:24] <dirty_d> rredd4, just do "cat rpi_pisces_r2.img > /dev/whatever; sync"
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[23:26] <AthomIk> bob_binz: i have tested 3.2.19 deb file, and raspberry cannot boot in my case
[23:26] <AthomIk> i use debian
[23:27] <AthomIk> a firmware problem, i must take this ? https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[23:28] <AthomIk> what s cmd line with git for take this --> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot ?
[23:29] <mythos> that's why i love fat: i/o errors
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[23:30] <neofutur> AthomIk: git clone git://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware.git
[23:31] <AthomIk> neofutur: thk
[23:34] <rasper> anyone able to get ip masquerade working on raspberry like lan0 > wlan0 ?
[23:34] <rasper> tried bridge and iptables , but no kernel support
[23:35] <AthomIk> rasper: i think we must recompil kernel http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
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[23:35] <dirty_d> rasper, no kernel support?
[23:36] <friggle> rasper: I'm going to send Dom a new defconfig very shortly. If you want to go through and pick the modules you need I'll make doubly sure they're included
[23:36] <dirty_d> cross compiling a kernel is pretty easy
[23:36] <friggle> indeed it is
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[23:36] <dirty_d> its the userspace stuff thats a PITA
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[23:37] <rasper> going to be trial and error to find out the modules , but I'll give it a shot
[23:37] <dirty_d> rasper, theres no iptables support?
[23:37] <rasper> dirty_d very little
[23:38] <rasper> no masq support or 802.11x support
[23:38] <dirty_d> rasper, get crosstool-ng
[23:39] <dirty_d> or if your distro has an arm cross compiler just use that
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[23:40] <rasper> dirty_d I am out of town with two laptops. one is goverment laptop that wifi is locked off. was going to eth0 to rasperry from laptop , connect wlan0 to hotel wifi and bridge or masq
[23:40] <rasper> should have been a really simple , quick hack :)
[23:41] <dirty_d> yea it should be
[23:41] <dirty_d> i use that for my home network
[23:41] <dirty_d> free wifi courtesy of the ghetto
[23:41] <rasper> but no masq support on any distro I have tried
[23:42] <rasper> about to try ipfire but not excited
[23:42] <dirty_d> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE
[23:42] <dirty_d> tahts what you did right
[23:42] <rasper> yep and it dosen't understand nat
[23:43] <rasper> ipt
[23:43] <rasper> ipt_nat module or ipt_masq
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[23:43] <rasper> I forget the names , they usally auto ins
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[23:43] <dirty_d> rasper, i think i can just send you a kernel image
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[23:44] <rasper> that would be awesome. I don't really want to try and build a kernel in a vm
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[23:45] <dirty_d> hmm i think my kernel already has nat and everything im gonna test
[23:46] <mythos> cool... my pi boots again =)
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[23:47] <DaMummy|PND> is there a way to boot rpi with only bluetooth mouse and keyboard?
[23:47] <DaMummy|PND> i cant seem to pair it before first bootup in order to log in
[23:47] <dirty_d> rasper, are you using rasbian hardfloat?
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[23:48] <rasper> dirty_d at the moment I am imaging ipfire ;)
[23:49] <plugwash> DaMummy|PND, using bluetooth has a fundamental chicken and egg problem, you need access to the system to pair stuff but you need the stuff paired to get access
[23:49] <dirty_d> rasper, thats a distro?
[23:49] <rasper> firewall distro
[23:49] <friggle> CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE=m is what you're after right?
[23:49] <dirty_d> made for the rpi?
[23:49] <rasper> I know it has the kernel I need :)
[23:49] <rasper> yea
[23:49] <dirty_d> yea that should work fine then
[23:50] <rasper> http://people.ipfire.org/~arne_f/testing/RPi/
[23:50] <rasper> if it boots
[23:50] <dirty_d> the kernel i already have should work for you
[23:50] <rasper> di you try it?
[23:50] <rasper> did
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[23:50] <rasper> you built your kernel or using piscesis?
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[23:52] <rredd4> dirty_d after unzip, then dd command or cat?
[23:53] <three14> evening, gordonDrogon
[23:55] <three14> possums are seriously the dumbest animal ever. hides in the garage, lets me pick it up to move it, 2sec before putting him down in the woods he throws an tantram, hisses, then plays dead. *facepalm*
[23:56] <dirty_d> rredd4, cat should be faster
[23:56] <rredd4> ok, thanks
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[23:58] <dirty_d> rasper, i built it from bootc's kernel
[23:58] <dirty_d> but i configured it

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