#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-17

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[0:05] <bob_binz> this is way o/t, but McCoys sausage flavour crisps are awesome - sorry, just had to share that - as you were
[0:07] <three14> not as o/t as the 16 cans of rockstar coconut water i bought last night at 7-11 that were one clearance.
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[0:07] <three14> on*
[0:07] <SpeedEvil> I bought about a month ago 15 quids worth of chocolate.
[0:07] <SpeedEvil> It had a pricing error.
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[0:07] <SpeedEvil> It filled two carrier bags.
[0:07] <SpeedEvil> 15kg total.
[0:08] <three14> lmao
[0:08] <bob_binz> coconut water sounds ewww, I'm afraid - especially in a can - it's bad enough out of a cococut!
[0:08] <lee> it is pretty dire
[0:08] <lee> supposed to be good for you - shame it tastes awful
[0:08] <SpeedEvil> I now have enough chocolate to have a chocolate only diet for approaching 2 months.
[0:08] <three14> bob_binz, it's not too bad. although, i'm pretty sure the only reason they were on clearance is because no one but me likes them.
[0:09] <lee> my mum likes it too
[0:09] <bob_binz> someone has to I guess!
[0:09] <lee> I can't stand more than a mouthful
[0:09] <three14> quaote of the day
[0:09] <three14> quote*
[0:10] <dirty_d> lol
[0:10] <bob_binz> 15kg of chocolate sounds ok though
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> Snickers, Mars, Galaxy, and one other I forget
[0:12] <DaMummy|PND> whats login/pass for raspbian again?
[0:12] <bob_binz> mmm, snickers (well marathon if you're old enough!!) send em this way!!!
[0:12] <three14> root, raspberry?
[0:12] <dirty_d> DaMummy|PND, which image?
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[0:13] <three14> hexxeh's image is root/hexxeh
[0:13] <DaMummy|PND> i dunno, whatevers the lastest on download page
[0:13] <dirty_d> pisces? root/raspbian
[0:13] <DaMummy|PND> latest
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[0:14] <lee> I find I tend to eat a lot less chocolate if it's decent chocolate, e.g. green & blacks, montezumas
[0:15] <bob_binz> http://www.hotelchocolat.co.uk/
[0:15] <lee> nah, DECENT chocolate :P
[0:15] <bob_binz> lol
[0:15] <bob_binz> HC is great
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[0:16] <bob_binz> this is a well and truly spammed chan now, sorry peeps
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[0:16] <three14> the US has a fine selection of chocolate flavored carnuba wax.
[0:16] <lee> I'm not keen on it, just doesn't taste as good
[0:16] <DaMummy|PND> yay im in
[0:17] <bob_binz> well at least you mentioned decent alternatives - those that say "don't like H/C, I'll have a bag 'o' maltesers" do me head in!!
[0:17] <bob_binz> gratz @ DaMummy|PND
[0:18] <SpeedEvil> One Snickers Snacksize bar has enough energy to run a Pi for over 2 days.
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[0:19] <bob_binz> yeah, that's why I can 't see my feet when I stand straight!!
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[0:19] <Xark> SpeedEvil: Assuming it doesn't care about its waistline... :)
[0:19] * Xark is not feeding his Pi "junk food". :)
[0:19] <three14> bicycle > automotive alternator > battery > Pi
[0:19] <markbook> Xark is a cruel strict parent.
[0:20] <Arch-iMac> three14: dude dont you sleep?
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[0:20] <Xark> markbook: Well, maybe a soda on weekends if it has been good.... :D
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[0:20] <three14> Arch-iMac, sadly i can only sleep about 4-5hrs/day because of a back injury.
[0:21] * markbook let's his pi watch X-Files marathons on hulu
[0:21] <Arch-iMac> three14: ahh well that explains why you were here when i left and back again when i came on
[0:21] <SpeedEvil> three14: I recommend sleeping in zero gravity.
[0:21] <three14> SpeedEvil, i'm sure it'd be the best sleep i've had in years.
[0:22] <three14> markbook, check out the Episode 'Small Potatoes", it takes place 20mi from where i am sitting.
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[0:24] <dirty_d> rasper, that work for you?
[0:26] <dirty_d> if i slept in zero gravity i think when i woke up id thisnk i was falling to my death
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[0:29] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: Most people get used to it after a couple of days of vomiting.
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[0:30] <dirty_d> sounds hellish
[0:30] <zgreg> mythmon, three14: did you test the kernel?
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[0:30] <zgreg> heh, dom already pulled the commit for that bugfix
[0:31] <friggle> zgreg: well, it was obviously good and I passed on my Tested-By
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[0:32] <three14> zgreg, not yet. i had a bit of an incident with a rodent, here. :-\
[0:32] <friggle> don't try to download the latest kernel.img from the firmware right now though. A silly commit crept in
[0:32] <reider59> Dad dad are we there yet?
[0:32] <bob_binz> how does a "silly commit" creep in?
[0:33] <zgreg> he hides in the commit log
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[0:33] <friggle> bob_binz: gremlins
[0:34] <bob_binz> ahh, feeding after midnight - always a problem!
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[0:35] <zgreg> friggle: and the last commit is just a half-fix ;)
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[0:35] <zgreg> situations like that are good for a sneaky rebase
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[0:42] <friggle> zgreg: yeah, poor Dom :)
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[0:44] <friggle> rasper: just sent a new defconfig over to Dom, includes the bridge and masq stuff now. sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE now works
[0:45] <rasper> sweet!
[0:45] <rasper> ipfire got me going
[0:45] <mythos> zgreg, http://pastebin.com/TdSiLNxp
[0:45] <rasper> really neat little distro
[0:45] <rasper> thanks friggle
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[0:47] <dirty_d> success!
[0:47] <dirty_d> archlinux-arm gcc built hardfloat
[0:49] <zgreg> mythos: great, so it works fine?
[0:49] <mythos> zgreg, afaik. i do a little dd-stuff for the testing-sake
[0:50] <zgreg> and that didn't work with the older kernels?
[0:50] <zgreg> that card I mean
[0:51] <mythos> i got a bunch of errors i can't recapitulate
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[0:51] <mythos> something with "1 bit..." and such
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[0:55] <mythos> zgreg, i have to say: great work ;)
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[0:57] <Arch-iMac> three14: how did you resolve the raspbian pub key issue? im getting unable to resolve host address?
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[0:57] <three14> Arch-iMac, with the raspbianinstaller?
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[0:59] <three14> Arch-iMac, try: wget http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian.public.key -O - | apt-key add -
[1:01] <Arch-iMac> thrhttp://pastebin.com/2gD97qW1:
[1:01] <Arch-iMac> whoops
[1:01] <Arch-iMac> three14: looks at this http://pastebin.com/2gD97qW1
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[1:02] <Arch-iMac> heh that triggered there spam detection
[1:03] <three14> hmm, i don't recall having that issue..
[1:06] <zgreg> friggle: hmm. I don't have any luck with the newest firmware...
[1:07] <zgreg> the kernel doesn't even boot up correctly
[1:07] <three14> Lol, is it bad if there's division by zero in the kernel? haha o_O
[1:07] <friggle> zgreg: yeah, you need to build yourself or wait for Dom to rebuild
[1:07] <friggle> zgreg: the firmware that got pushed has the facepalm bool bug
[1:07] <zgreg> how should I rebuild the firmware? :D
[1:07] <friggle> zgreg: well, it's only the kernel that changed
[1:07] <zgreg> I think I'm using my fixed kernel
[1:07] <zgreg> or am I?
[1:08] <Arch-iMac> three14: i can resolve the host...wierd
[1:08] <friggle> zgreg: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commit/2f79816fc98d037a447f3d3cf33faa0114233fed he didn't modify anything over than kernel stuff (and changing mode of loader.bin)
[1:09] <Arch-iMac> three14: ahhhh seems i had to wait awhile ...now its working
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[1:10] <zgreg> friggle: I think https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commit/64fc2001fea287414f9b318a5d9c1edf03580940 breaks it for me
[1:11] <friggle> zgreg: hmm, I was only updating my kernel and haven't tried those yet
[1:11] <zgreg> the blinking definitely works. the rest doesn't. not a good compromise :)
[1:11] <friggle> zgreg: your kernel doesn't even start? you should at least have flashy lights to debug it
[1:12] <friggle> zgreg: how many flashes do you get?
[1:12] <zgreg> friggle: to be more accurate, it doesn't start correctly. I see the pi logo in the top left, cursor blinks once, then nothing
[1:12] <zgreg> and this kernel worked with the older firmware files
[1:12] <three14> something tells me the pi isn't going to boot after updating the kernel et al. on this crappy 2gb microsd-sd adapter. it's 7min into it. division by zero in the kernel, etc.
[1:13] <zgreg> three14: division by zero? wait what. and where does that happen? :)
[1:14] <three14> during boot. i fear i may not be able to give you a pastepin of dmesg.
[1:14] <NucWin> any python knowing peeps awake?
[1:14] <NucWin> if os.path.exists('/sys/class/gpio/gpio%s'%id): <-- can you explain what %s is doing?
[1:15] <RockHawk> It's formatting the id into the string
[1:15] <friggle> zgreg: I'm getting a "rainbow of death" after updating the *.bin files
[1:15] <RockHawk> so if id is 1 then 'blah %s' % id will give the string 'blah 1'
[1:16] <NucWin> ok so its just like a replace with params
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[1:16] <three14> zgreg: http://i.imgur.com/VSEVu.jpg
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[1:16] <NucWin> thanks
[1:16] <three14> could be pebkac, but who knows.
[1:16] <friggle> zgreg: fine now I've updated *.elf too
[1:16] <zgreg> friggle: I reverted the *.elf *.bin files to an revision earlier and it works again. so it's definitely commit 64fc2001 that is faulty
[1:19] <zgreg> three14: hm, somewhere in mmc_set_data_timeout?
[1:19] <zgreg> let's check it out...
[1:21] <friggle> zgreg: that happens if you run the current kernel.img from the 'firmware' repo
[1:21] <friggle> zgreg: and now I can't boot again either, so the successul boot must have been a fluke...
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[1:23] <three14> 15min in, i don't think the pi's going to boot. haha
[1:24] <friggle> just had another succesful boot
[1:25] <Arch-iMac> lol omg.....i just did a rpi-update and im getting the same thing as three14
[1:25] <Simon-> heh
[1:25] <Simon-> friggle: have you found a bug? I don't have that sync process at all
[1:26] <friggle> Simon-: "sync process"?
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[1:26] <Simon-> "Rebuilt kernel with sdhci-bcm2708: raise DMA sync timeout "
[1:27] <three14> zgreg, ok. originally with this 2gb card i was getting error -110 for about 30sec. rpi-update results in division by zero in kernel, and using the files provided by you in your testkit, boot is perfect.
[1:27] <friggle> Simon-: that was zgreg's commit. It at least seems to make it so I can't reproduce the corruption I was having any more
[1:27] <three14> zgreg, you sir deserve a beer.
[1:28] <friggle> Simon-: but people were reporting that corruption before any SD patches got in (I just couldn't reproduce it), so I'm not totally happy with that code
[1:28] <friggle> or well, that problem
[1:29] <zgreg> three14: great
[1:29] <zgreg> I have major problems with the current firmware, though
[1:29] <zgreg> and when I say firmware, I mean the *.elf/*.bin files, not the kernel
[1:29] <friggle> zgreg: me too, I've dropped Dom a note
[1:30] <Arch-iMac> where do i get the testkit files? im getting that division by zero flooding my screen
[1:30] <zgreg> they're at http://greg.kinoho.net/rpi-sd-testkit.tar.bz2
[1:31] <Arch-iMac> thanks
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[1:33] <zgreg> friggle: does that problem only happen with very few SD cards? I can't reproduce it
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[1:35] <friggle> zgreg: which problem? the config.txt corruption?
[1:35] <zgreg> yes
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[1:35] <friggle> zgreg: by the way, does boot_delay=1 in config.txt fix booting for you with latest *.elf,*.bin. Does for me
[1:35] <three14> wow. was gettign 1.15MB/s on this 2gb card before zgreg's newest patches. now getting 9.78MB/s
[1:36] <zgreg> friggle: I'll give it a try
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[1:37] <zgreg> friggle: that option doesn't seem to be documented anywhere, what exactly does it do?
[1:37] <friggle> zgreg: I'm not entirely sure. Dom asked me to see if that fixed my failure to boot
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[1:38] <ReggieUK> I wonder
[1:38] <ReggieUK> I've been thinking about this, with power etc.
[1:38] <ReggieUK> I've been powering my pi via a battery
[1:38] <ReggieUK> it's got a switch
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[1:38] <ReggieUK> first time I turn it on, pi doesn't boot
[1:38] <zgreg> ok, give me a minute, I'll test it
[1:39] <ReggieUK> if I toggle the power off and back on again, it boots, and boots everytime thereafter
[1:39] <SpeedEvil> odd
[1:39] <ReggieUK> odd indeed
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[1:39] <Simon-> I get that a lot too
[1:39] <Arch-iMac> on this test kit....i have access to /boot but not to lib...do i move lib files after its booted or is it mandatory before booting?
[1:40] <ReggieUK> and the first real boot seems to give me some mmc/dma errors (this is from a kernel from a couple of days ago)
[1:40] <ReggieUK> then after that it settles
[1:40] <ReggieUK> so I wonder if the boot_delay is some kind of power settling period?
[1:40] <three14> Arch-iMac, if you just want to get it booted, you can probably just copy/replace the /boot stuff
[1:40] <three14> backup first
[1:40] <friggle> ReggieUK: that would be my guess
[1:41] <ReggieUK> which leads me right back to thinking that 1/2 the issues people get are power related
[1:41] <Arch-iMac> three14: well this is a fresh install so it doesnt matter if its backedup
[1:41] <zgreg> friggle: nope. same issue.
[1:42] <ReggieUK> I read in one forum post that the alpha boards had proper power provision
[1:42] <Arch-iMac> hurray no more division by zero flooding my screen
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[1:42] <ReggieUK> but that was removed so that the 700ma charger policy could be used instead
[1:43] <friggle> ReggieUK: they also had big power adaptors. I much prefer my dinky little kindle charger
[1:43] <ReggieUK> which is the fatal flaw I believe
[1:43] <ReggieUK> I don't care how big the charger is
[1:43] <ReggieUK> it's away from me
[1:43] <ReggieUK> what i care about is the pi having sufficient power
[1:43] <zgreg> friggle: ah, boot_delay appears to delay a part of the bootloader by the number of seconds specified.
[1:44] <zgreg> well, that works for me, but after that, the kernel still crashes or whatever, very early on
[1:44] <three14> i actually prefer barrel jacks or mini-b, i tend to agree with ReggieUK though.
[1:44] <friggle> zgreg: your kernel crashes or the current one from firmware?
[1:44] <ReggieUK> I prefer barrel jacks and mini-usb too
[1:44] <mikey_w> Well you have to allow for the sd card rotation to get up to speed.
[1:44] <zgreg> friggle: my kernel
[1:44] <friggle> zgreg: in what way does it crash?
[1:44] <zgreg> which works fine with the old firmware files
[1:45] <zgreg> I see the raspberry pi logo, cursor blinks once, then freezes, then nothing else happens
[1:45] <friggle> zgreg: so with boot_delay you get past the coloured splash screen?
[1:45] <ReggieUK> but after seeing the state of microUsb cables I'd prefer just a barrel jack
[1:45] <zgreg> no text on screen
[1:45] <zgreg> friggle: yes
[1:45] <zgreg> friggle: I also get into this stage without boot_delay
[1:46] <friggle> zgreg: do you get any output over serial?
[1:46] <zgreg> and again, none of these problems with the old firmware files
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[1:46] <zgreg> friggle: I have no hardware for that ready, sorry
[1:46] <zgreg> all my stuff is 5V-compliant
[1:47] <mikey_w> I don't consider some nice wires soldered to a power socket a difficult task
[1:47] <mikey_w> Less voltage sag.
[1:47] <three14> no one said it was difficult, but i would bet vital parts of my anatomy that 7yr olds aren't going to be doing that.
[1:47] <ReggieUK> indeed, that seems to be another issue that is coming to the fore
[1:48] * hamitron goes to find a 7 year old to do it, to do three14 harm
[1:48] <ReggieUK> I suspect that if you've got a samsung galaxy or ipad original charger/psu then things will work
[1:48] <three14> as soon as there's a better supply of Pis, i will modify one.
[1:48] <three14> hamitron, haha ;-)
[1:49] <ReggieUK> but if you're using a clone, some random microusb cable, a less than in spec usb hub, then you've got a whole host of issues waiting to happen
[1:49] <zgreg> just copied back the *.elf *.bin files from one revision earlier. as expected, no issues, boots fine
[1:50] <blkhawk> zgreg: the newest blobs are faulty?
[1:50] <friggle> zgreg: baffling...
[1:50] <mikey_w> We need the sources.
[1:50] <friggle> zgreg: the only time I've had just a blinking cursor on kernel bootup is when I missed out console=tty1 in cmdline.txt
[1:51] <zgreg> friggle: that's what I checked first
[1:51] <mikey_w> And I need my pi.
[1:51] <zgreg> it's there, and it's pretty clear that the kernel does not boot up at all
[1:51] <blkhawk> mikey_w: we probably cannot have them because we might then just change enable_mpeg2=0 to enable_mpeg2=1
[1:51] <mikey_w> Oh bad us.
[1:51] <zgreg> no SD light activity, and no other signs of anything loading
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[1:52] <friggle> zgreg: if you haven't totally run out of patience, narrowing it down to start.elf, bootcode.bin or loader.bin might be helpful. You'd expect start.elf is at fault
[1:53] <zgreg> ok, I'll check start.elf first
[1:54] <friggle> zgreg: is your kernel prepended with first32k.bin or not?
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[1:56] <zgreg> friggle: it's prepended with first32k.bin
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[1:58] <NucWin> ive made a totally untested GPIO module for perl if anyone want to try it
[1:59] <three14> ReggieUK, missed your message about chargers. Using the Kindle one at 850mA seems to work fine, but it's also only 4.9v. Could explain some of my issues with my tiny wifi dongle if the voltage drops enough.
[2:01] <ReggieUK> 4.9v is fine
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[2:02] <Arch-iMac> three14: i have one thats 5v 850mA and it drops to 4.73-4.75 when i have the usb hub connected...which explains why i cant get a usb hdd to stay mounted or this usb hub doesnt work like it should
[2:02] <ReggieUK> but yeah, if the voltage drops that can cause issues
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[2:03] <mikey_w> Cheap bastards use wires that are too thin.
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[2:04] <three14> mikey_w, if you want to call them wires.
[2:04] <zgreg> friggle: looks like it's not possible to freely switch versions of the various firmware files. I'm getting strange results here...
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[2:04] <friggle> zgreg: ok, there can sometimes be dependencies. Dom didn't think so in this case but he may well have been wrong
[2:05] <three14> Arch-iMac, yikes, I'm afraid to check what mine drops to using the kindle charger, then.
[2:05] <zgreg> friggle: I'll try again
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[2:06] <friggle> three14: I use the kindle charger, seems to work well (other than the last firmware update :))
[2:06] <three14> friggle, at 4.9v, 850mA? (from my Kindle3 3G/Wifi)
[2:07] <Arch-iMac> friggle: yeah all of my chargers will boot up the pi but then once i start connecting stuff to it it dropps the voltage
[2:07] <friggle> Arch-iMac: yeah, it performs well under a stress test for me though
[2:07] <friggle> better than cheap 1A chargers
[2:07] <friggle> three14: haven't tested the voltage and don't have a multimeter handy. Yes, it's rated at 850mA
[2:07] <three14> hmm, i think i'll go grab the multimeter. where are you guys taking a measurement?
[2:07] * hamitron likes cheap
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[2:08] <three14> friggle, i was just going by what the bottom of the charger said.
[2:08] <three14> haven't physically tested anything yet
[2:09] <friggle> three14: oh, that's odd.
[2:10] <friggle> three14: mine claims 5.0V. Seems bizarre to have a USB charger actually claiming to put out 4.9V
[2:10] <hamitron> powering it from inside your PC is probably the most handy solution, for those worried about power
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[2:10] <Arch-iMac> i even tried powering my pi on this usb hub and still the same results
[2:10] <blkhawk> hamitron: erm
[2:11] <blkhawk> hamitron: if that works then your pc is doing it wrong
[2:11] <Arch-iMac> lol if you need to keep your pc on to power the pi that defeats the whole purpose of a low powered pi
[2:11] <hamitron> doing it wrong? :|
[2:12] <blkhawk> the raspberry is not registering properly so the pc should warn about overvoltage and disable the port as soon as the current goes over 100ma or at least when it tops 500ma
[2:12] <ReggieUK> powering a pi from a hub in theory should always fail (if the pi is drawing the 700ma)
[2:12] <blkhawk> ya
[2:12] <hamitron> I was thinking more about plugging it into a molex
[2:12] <hamitron> :/
[2:12] <Arch-iMac> ReggieUK: on the wiki they have references to powering the pi via usb hub
[2:13] <blkhawk> the point of using the usb plug is that it garantees the rated voltaghe of the psu is 5v
[2:13] <ReggieUK> care to link to them
[2:13] <ReggieUK> because whatever they say, I think they're wrong if they recommend it
[2:13] <Arch-iMac> ReggieUK: hold
[2:13] <blkhawk> Arch-iMac: its clear that it might work
[2:13] <hamitron> think I have more spare molex, than usb actually ;)
[2:13] <ReggieUK> I can show you plenty of hubs that will probably work
[2:13] <zgreg> friggle: works now, but I have no idea why. maybe something is flaky over here
[2:13] <ReggieUK> but they're out of spec
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[2:14] <three14> friggle, http://i.imgur.com/rfgZ8.jpg Thats what my kindle charger says
[2:14] <ReggieUK> and the only reason they work is because the mfr. is lazy/incompetent
[2:14] <hamitron> what about USB 3.0?
[2:15] <Arch-iMac> ReggieUK: ohh sorry seems i remembered that from the problem usb hub section
[2:15] <zgreg> friggle: or wait, no it doesn't. it's just unreliable...
[2:17] <Arch-iMac> whats the best way to get the lib dir stuff from this testkit to the pi? sftp then move it?
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[2:17] <ReggieUK> imho most of this stuff works normally because pc's are built to cope mostly and have adequate protection to deal with everything
[2:17] <ReggieUK> the pi doesn't
[2:17] <ReggieUK> it just relies on underpowered polyfuses
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[2:17] <ReggieUK> erm, underrated
[2:18] <ReggieUK> once the polyfuses die, the current sense on the lan controller knows that there isn't any and does appropriate things
[2:19] <three14> i'm gonna run this 5.1V, 700mA LG charger, just to see what happens.
[2:20] <cehteh> apropos anyone did a power over ethernet hack yet?
[2:21] <Arch-iMac> ReggieUK: well i bought a powered usb hub i thought would work but it doesnt seem to....im fact when i have it plugged in i can see the pi boot over and over again if i have the power adapter unplugged on the pi
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[2:21] <plugwash> cehteh, not that i've actually done either but are we talking real POE or ghetto POE here?
[2:22] <cehteh> real one
[2:22] <plugwash> for proper POE there are commercially available splitters that should work
[2:23] <cehteh> prolly defeats the purpose of a cheap computer :)
[2:23] <zgreg> friggle: whatever... I've recreated the boot partition and now it works reliably
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[2:23] <ReggieUK> Arch-iMac, that's exactly the kind of issue i'm talking about
[2:23] <lwizardl> Hello
[2:23] <ReggieUK> that's an out of spec hub
[2:23] <zgreg> friggle: with boot_delay=1, that is
[2:23] <ReggieUK> it should not be supply power to the pi (unless you're powering it from one of the hub ports)
[2:23] <cehteh> yes i know .. but some small hack on board (tap it, negotioate ..convert the voltage) would be nice .. i wonder how small/cheap thats doable
[2:24] <lwizardl> I was wondering if a Raspberry Pi would be strong enough for running GnuRadio on with a usb radio connected
[2:24] <cehteh> you need at least some dcdc converter but i dont know very much about the specs except that it runs around 48Volts
[2:24] <plugwash> Proper POE has a few complications
[2:25] <cehteh> lwizardl: its not about the strength .. its about the fuses there
[2:25] <cehteh> 100mA are fine anything more is likely go to fail (the fuses are 140mA)
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[2:25] <plugwash> cehteh, nothing a bit of wire and a soldering iron won't fix
[2:26] <cehteh> if you know what you are doing and want to void your warranty you can bridge the fuses
[2:26] <plugwash> To work with all POE sources you have to be able to accept power on either the data pairs or the spare pairs, accepting power on the spare pairs is relatively easy but accepting it on the data pairs means you need special magnetics
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[2:27] <ReggieUK> I think 100ma could be optimistic if it's a warm day
[2:27] <plugwash> once you have the power tapped off the lines you then need to rectify it and then feed it to a device that will handle the POE negotiations
[2:27] <Arch-iMac> ReggieUK: see thats what i thought as well, it doesnt make sense to have this thing sorta power the pi
[2:27] <plugwash> and finally you need a DC-DC converter to turn the POE voltage into the voltage the Pi wants
[2:28] <cehteh> plugwash: is it AC?
[2:28] <three14> as i understand it, a usb can ask for the power it needs, but what if the manufacturer was cheap and a low power device ~100mA-ish asks for more (like 500mA), how is this interpreted by the Pi? Does the Pi attempt to give it 500mA like it wants? or... (sorry if i am confused or just plain wrong)
[2:28] <plugwash> AIUI the supply is DC but you don't know the polarity or which pairs it's being delivered on so you need rectifiers to sort that out
[2:29] <cehteh> three14: it just cant, i dont know about how the kernel or firmware handles it either way the fuses wont agree
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[2:30] <plugwash> three14, AIUI the Pi doesn't care how much power a device reports as using
[2:30] <three14> cehteh, that's what i am wondering. if the Pi attempts to give it 500mA which trips the polyfuse, or if it has some way of denying the device the exta power
[2:30] <cehteh> try it :)
[2:31] <trevorman> it will know that the fuses have gone high resistance
[2:31] <three14> lol, at that point, so will i
[2:31] <trevorman> doubtful that the RPi driver has been configured to only negotiate up to 100mA
[2:32] <trevorman> it is quite likely that it will jsut go sure 500mA. nothing else on that root port. go for it!
[2:32] <trevorman> and the device will turn on whatever its been waiting to do and then fuse will say lolno
[2:32] <ReggieUK> there is a sense line on the smsc chip
[2:33] <cehteh> on a normal PC this is handles by the kernel and can be configured. on the rpi prolly too, someone may look over that and supply the configs
[2:33] <Arch-iMac> ReggieUK: this is what i ordered http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00483WRZ6/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00
[2:33] <trevorman> loads of devices aren't compliant with the USB spec and just draw as much as they want without proper negotiation anyway
[2:33] <hamitron> these fuses are easy to get to to replace?
[2:33] <trevorman> hamitron: they don't permanently die
[2:33] <cehteh> hamitron: self resetting fuses
[2:33] <ReggieUK> once the polyfuse trips, the voltage drops to zero, the current sense trips and that's that
[2:33] <hamitron> ah, ok
[2:34] <ReggieUK> Arch-iMac, I wouldn't buy that hub myself
[2:34] <cehteh> well they may die after a lot of stress and trips .. and they are rather big SMD parts well reachable and only 2 terminals .. so moderately easy to replace
[2:34] <Arch-iMac> you have to wait till they re-crystalize after a few hours
[2:34] <Arch-iMac> ReggieUK: yeah well lesson learned i guess
[2:34] <ReggieUK> it's got the 'terminus technology' chipset in there
[2:34] <Arch-iMac> yes it does
[2:34] <ReggieUK> and that's teh chip on all of the cheap generic hubs
[2:34] <hamitron> time for sleeps anyways o/
[2:35] <ReggieUK> including all of those silver and black 7 port hubs
[2:35] <Arch-iMac> great :(
[2:35] <cehteh> i'd like to put biggier fuses on the board .. but getting this fuses in small quantities is complicated and expensive
[2:35] <cehteh> prolly i can order them for 50 cent each and play 5Eur delivery :P
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[2:35] <cehteh> pay
[2:35] <plugwash> cehteh, just replace the damn things with links
[2:35] <plugwash> they really aren't needed
[2:36] <cehteh> when i become too much annoyed yes
[2:36] <trevorman> three14: if you look at the schematic you'll see that it actually draws 5V from the 5V input via a polyfuse. the RPi can't actually turn that off.
[2:36] <dirty_d> that orgreenic frying pan on tv really works
[2:36] <cehteh> or if i have to order parts and think about it i can order some better ones
[2:36] <dirty_d> i just made a cheese pancake
[2:36] <dirty_d> lol
[2:37] <cehteh> i wonder how much cheaper the rpi would be without the fuses, without the zehner at the input and without the 0Ohm bridge to the supply gnd
[2:37] <cehteh> the parts costs only cents ... but manufacturing adds up for every part
[2:37] <dirty_d> 5 cents less
[2:38] <trevorman> its not going to drop it by ?1 if thats what you're wondering
[2:38] <trevorman> what dirty_d said
[2:38] <Arch-iMac> ReggieUK: how did you know it has the Terminus chip set? i dont see it on any of these descriptions
[2:38] <cehteh> maybe
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[2:38] <Arch-iMac> ohh duh there it is
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[2:40] <Arch-iMac> ReggieUK: i ordered this one instead http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000SAB34O/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
[2:40] <IT_Sean> O/
[2:40] <ReggieUK> it's in the tech details for the first link you posted
[2:41] <ReggieUK> Hi IT_Sean
[2:41] <trevorman> Arch-iMac: no PSU?
[2:41] <IT_Sean> Hi
[2:41] <Arch-iMac> trevorman: suppedly it comes with it
[2:41] <ReggieUK> I'd probably look for something that wasn't added to amazon in 2004 myself
[2:41] <ReggieUK> good to see you going for something branded
[2:41] <Arch-iMac> says in the feedback its included
[2:41] <ReggieUK> but really, do some research
[2:42] <Arch-iMac> ReggieUK: this was from that wiki
[2:42] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok :)
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[2:43] <trevorman> Arch-iMac: looks like it does have a PSU. its just got really awful documentation that it comes with it
[2:43] <ReggieUK> oh
[2:43] <ReggieUK> and another thing
[2:43] <trevorman> some ebay auctions list a PSU and the actual instruction sheet says it has one
[2:43] <cehteh> another Q: anyone knows if there is some date set when the rpi becomes bulk-order-able?
[2:43] <trevorman> cehteh: nope
[2:43] <ReggieUK> the pi will be rebooting if it's pulling power from the hub because it's got to be tripping the polyfuse
[2:45] <Arch-iMac> ReggieUK: ahh is that why it looks like its rebooting endlessly?
[2:45] <ReggieUK> it's only a guess but yeah, i think so
[2:46] <ReggieUK> do we have any figures on what the pi draws at boot/idling?
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[2:46] <ReggieUK> don't forget as well, that the 140ma/100ma rating is at a given temperature
[2:46] <ReggieUK> if it's warmer it'll be lower
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[2:46] <three14> ReggieUK, i think there was a forum post where someone measured various configs and plotted them on a nicve graph
[2:47] <Arch-iMac> ReggieUK: i have a volt meter here and can tell you if you want?
[2:47] <Arch-iMac> three14: i think i saw that as well
[2:47] <ReggieUK> I'd be happy with teh forum post if you can find it
[2:48] <cromag> how much voltage does a std flatscreen tv put out of the USB ports ?
[2:48] <cromag> enough from RPi ?
[2:48] <cromag> for*
[2:48] <ReggieUK> cromag, it depends how long the piece of string is
[2:48] <cromag> wich of them ?
[2:48] <cromag> from usb to rpi ?
[2:49] <ReggieUK> no what I mean is, it's going to be different for every tv
[2:49] <cromag> ah - ok.
[2:49] <ReggieUK> which kind of fits in with what we're talking about
[2:49] <cromag> oh my bad :)
[2:50] <ReggieUK> lots of standards, lots of labels but not all manufacturers follow them
[2:50] <ReggieUK> the voltage should be 5v from any usb port
[2:50] <cromag> would be nice if it would be possible in the future
[2:50] <cromag> yes
[2:50] <cromag> but mah .x
[2:50] <ReggieUK> but not all provide a full 5v as we're finding out
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[2:51] <cromag> i should test my port someday
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[2:54] <three14> is there a way to reset the pi via gpio?
[2:56] <ReggieUK> no
[2:57] <three14> -_-
[2:58] <three14> my meter's showing 4.7v on the 5v gpio pin with a 5.1v, 700mA LG charger. keyboard and arduino are connected via usb.
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[3:00] <ReggieUK> that's just on the cusp
[3:00] <three14> can you advise me on a better place to test?
[3:00] <ReggieUK> in fact, 4.75-5.25v for pi
[3:01] <ReggieUK> nope, I've always used tp1/tp2 myself
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[3:02] <three14> still getting 4.7, but this meter's not the best because i have a fiance who tends to move the 4 boxes of crap that i have because she thinks i resemble a hoarder
[3:03] <three14> the 72 boxes of shoes of hers, however, ....
[3:05] <three14> hmm, the arduino (connected to Pi via usb) is only getting 4.5v on it's 5v pin, if it's connected to the desktop's usb it's reading 4.9v
[3:06] <three14> arduino is only programmed with the blink sketch
[3:07] <ReggieUK> doesn't matter really, it's connected via an ftdi chip which will provide upto about 90ma I think
[3:07] <ReggieUK> oh wait, no the power is provided from usb to the 328 chip and the ftdi seperately
[3:09] <three14> will check the TI Launchpad connected as well
[3:09] <three14> it should draw less, i believe.
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[3:10] <ReggieUK> I don't think it's necessarily just the power drawn from other devices
[3:10] <ReggieUK> I Think the usb cables have a bit to do with it too
[3:10] <rvalles> $ qemu-system-i386
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[3:10] <ReggieUK> qemu-system-i386 not found
[3:10] <rvalles> qemu-system-i386: malloc.c:3096: sYSMALLOc: Assertion `(old_top == (((mbinptr) (((char *) &((av)->bins[((1) - 1) * 2])) - __builtin_offsetof (struct malloc_chunk, fd)))) && old_size == 0) || ((unsigned long) (old_size) >= (unsigned long)((((__builtin_offsetof (struct malloc_chunk, fd_nextsize))+((2 * (sizeof(size_t))) - 1)) & ~((2 * (sizeof(size_t))) - 1))) && ((old_top)->size & 0x1) && ((unsigned
[3:10] <rvalles> long)old_end & pagemask) == 0)' failed.
[3:10] <rvalles> Aborted
[3:10] <rvalles> :(
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[3:11] <three14> i can hook up a 6" mini-usb to the msp, and then try a 3' one as well, for comparison
[3:11] <rvalles> wrong channel tho
[3:11] <rvalles> this was meant for #raspbian
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[3:12] <ReggieUK> cable length might not be that good an indicator
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[3:13] <three14> no change, fwiw
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[3:14] <three14> Oooooh, lol. F2 is down for the count
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[3:15] <three14> obviously it can't handle the arduino powering a few bits of hardware.
[3:16] <three14> i guess i'm waiting for a bit. haha
[3:17] <rvalles> three14: let's see about the arduino
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[3:18] <three14> rvalles, huh? it still works fine.
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[3:21] <rvalles> haha, 3v
[3:21] <rvalles> on the 5v header
[3:21] <cehteh> avr wont care :P
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[3:22] <cehteh> mhm this might be the solution to my current problem
[3:22] <rvalles> avr certainly won't
[3:22] <cehteh> programming a avr with 5v bus levels while it hangs on a 4V lipo
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[3:23] <cehteh> just use the programmer on the rpi .. voltage will drop to acceptable levels :)
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[3:23] <rvalles> ti ez430-r2013
[3:24] <rvalles> programmed to just blink
[3:24] <rvalles> obviously blinks just fine
[3:24] <dirty_d> seems kinda unacceptable for the 5V on the rpi tp not be close to 5V
[3:24] <rvalles> (msp430)
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[3:25] <cehteh> the rpi doesnt care much about the 5V either .. there is a linear regulator for 3.3V there anything beyond the regulators drop will do
[3:25] <dirty_d> i use the 3.3V xmega anyway so it doesnt matter
[3:25] <cehteh> (as long you dont trip the zehner)
[3:25] <cehteh> the 5V is only the problem with connected usb gadgets
[3:25] <dirty_d> yea
[3:26] <cehteh> dunno how much the buildin ethernet counts for that, so far i see its pretty stable even with off-the line voltages
[3:27] <rvalles> xmega?
[3:27] <rvalles> their most beefed up arv8?
[3:28] * cehteh using a tiny13 here :)
[3:28] <dirty_d> rvalles, yea
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[3:28] <dirty_d> its pretty darn great
[3:28] <dirty_d> way better than a regular megaavr
[3:28] <rvalles> dirty_d: seen there's now DIP Cortex-M0 stuff?
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[3:28] <trevorman> cehteh: the soc runs off 5V as well
[3:28] <three14> ok, F2 is working again. didn't take long.
[3:28] <dirty_d> rvalles, no ive never used an arm
[3:29] <dirty_d> i use smd stuff anyway
[3:29] <rvalles> dirty_d: http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers/cortex_m0/lpc1100_x_l/LPC1114FN28.html
[3:29] <dirty_d> i aint scurred
[3:29] <trevorman> its got a connection from 5V to something marked as battery so its not going to be very picky about it but it does want it
[3:29] <dirty_d> i have a UV etching setup
[3:29] <rvalles> yeah, but dip is still cool / insanely convenient at times.
[3:29] <dirty_d> but for my last project i just had it made in a fab place
[3:29] <rvalles> dirty_d: china?
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[3:30] <dirty_d> usa
[3:30] <cehteh> trevorman: does it? on a first glance (really fast, incomplete) i only seen 3.3v
[3:31] <trevorman> cehteh: yeah. first page of schematic. bottom of the page. the block marked SMPS
[3:31] <dirty_d> rvalles, i used this http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order
[3:32] <dirty_d> i paid $15 for 3 boards
[3:32] <dirty_d> with shipping nd everything, not bad
[3:32] <trevorman> the BCM SoC uses 5V, 3.3V, 2.5V and 1.8V
[3:33] <cehteh> ok
[3:33] <trevorman> the other 2 hang off the 3.3V reg though
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[3:34] <rvalles> dirty_d: cute... wish I knew something similar in eu
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[3:34] <dirty_d> there was a guy in #avr doing something similar from china
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[3:34] <dirty_d> i think he got deported though
[3:34] <trevorman> idk. ordering PCBs from seeed is pretty cheap now so its not a massive problem if you can't find somebody to do a big panel or two
[3:34] <dirty_d> lol
[3:35] <trevorman> quality may be a little hit & miss for some supplies though
[3:35] <cehteh> dirty_d: yes thats nice
[3:35] <trevorman> suppliers
[3:35] <dirty_d> the one i used was very nice quality
[3:35] <dirty_d> gold plated
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[3:37] <trevorman> I've gotten stuff back from I think itead? that was a little off on tolerances but still worked anyway so didn't bother me
[3:37] <dirty_d> see, http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z372/dirty_d2285/Quadcopter/IMG_0888.jpg
[3:38] <cehteh> nice blue :P
[3:38] <dirty_d> taht QFN24 was kinda scary
[3:38] <dirty_d> i think i resoldered it like 5 times
[3:38] <trevorman> 10 pieces of 5cm x 5cm 2 layer is $10
[3:39] <dirty_d> because i wasnt sure it was actually soldered
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[3:39] <cehteh> i am doing a lipo-watcher/lost-plane beeper here .. no PCB at all just directly soldered to the chip :P
[3:40] <dirty_d> dead bug style
[3:40] <cehteh> shrinktube :)
[3:40] <three14> dead bug can be lovely
[3:40] <trevorman> is dead bug going to be reliable in a vibrating RC plane?
[3:40] <cehteh> sure
[3:40] <dirty_d> i gotta get my quadcopter flying
[3:40] <dirty_d> thats what the board was for
[3:40] <dirty_d> im too lazy
[3:41] <trevorman> somebody was making a quadrocopter where the PCB was actually the frame as well
[3:41] <trevorman> wonder how far they got with that
[3:41] <dirty_d> must have been small
[3:41] <dirty_d> mines very very big
[3:41] <three14> dirty_d, do you use a tack/reflow method to solder those passive bits on?
[3:41] <dirty_d> 15 pounds
[3:42] <dirty_d> i just tinned pads with an iron then reflowed with hot air
[3:42] <trevorman> there was a kickstarter as well from somebody else
[3:42] <trevorman> yeah they're tiny
[3:42] <cehteh> heh someone told me today they have some competition at the hobby king forums .. lifting beer
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[3:42] <three14> dirty_d, ah. nice.
[3:42] <cehteh> they are already at 15kg with a octocopter or so
[3:42] <dirty_d> i think mine can lift about 15 pounds
[3:43] <dirty_d> it just doenst fly
[3:43] <cehteh> not bad :)
[3:43] <cehteh> haha thats bad
[3:43] <dirty_d> i havent dialed the PID in yet
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[3:43] <cehteh> my heli just weights 100gramms :) ..
[3:43] <three14> dirty_d, whoa, that means it could theoretically lift a burlap sack with two human heads inside!!
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[3:43] <dirty_d> i have one of those little blade 120sr helis
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[3:43] <trevorman> somebody I know is at MIT doing a PhD in autonomous vehicles and they've got some really cool quadcopters. mostly commercial ones that have been modified though.
[3:44] <cehteh> walkera 120 here ...
[3:44] <dirty_d> three14, youre on to me maaaannn.....
[3:44] <dirty_d> hobbyking sells a trex 500 clone for like $55
[3:44] <dirty_d> thats crazy
[3:44] <cehteh> hmmm avr pullup RESET to Vcc. ... 10k resistor should be acceptable?
[3:44] <dirty_d> i was gonna get it
[3:45] <dirty_d> cehteh, thats what i use
[3:45] <cehteh> ok
[3:45] <cehteh> well on the first test i just shortened it .. but i want it to be reprogrammable :)
[3:45] <dirty_d> yea
[3:46] <trevorman> dirty_d: You need this many! ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6lCUGPixEnk#t=27s
[3:46] <cehteh> my first AVR hacking :) http://git.pipapo.org/?p=blitzbeep;a=blob;f=attiny13_blitzbeep.c
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[3:47] <cehteh> trevorman: there is a cool TED talk from that prof
[3:47] <dirty_d> this is my first flight attempt, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBCbTRqPMTY&feature=plcp
[3:47] <cehteh> looks like some stability problems :P
[3:48] <dirty_d> yea, lol
[3:48] <three14> we need a compact arduino x-ray machine. should only need an hbridge, stepper, roll of scotch tape, vacuum chamber, and some xray film.
[3:48] <bishin> anyone here use a pandaboard?
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[3:48] <cehteh> heh whats got lost at the end of the video? cant eben spot what it is
[3:49] <trevorman> three14: you'd need many many rolls of tape if you wanted to xray something big :)
[3:49] <dirty_d> hte sound of a thousand angry bees...
[3:49] <three14> trevorman, lol, we're talking fingers here.
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[3:49] <dirty_d> cehteh, the prop nut came off and the propeller flew like 50 feet in the air
[3:50] <dirty_d> it hivered very nicely
[3:50] <cehteh> lol
[3:50] <dirty_d> hovered
[3:50] <trevorman> three14: really weird affect that causes it. you'd think scotch tape is completely 100% harmless unless you tried to eat the roll or something.
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[3:51] <three14> yea, but most of us don't unwind roll after roll in a vacuum
[3:51] <trevorman> says you! >.>
[3:51] <trevorman> lol
[3:52] <three14> i wonder if you could x-ray small pcbs with it, and have good clarity.
[3:52] * IT_Sean just got an email: n this email you will find your unique Raspberry Pi registration details as well as a link to our Raspberry Pi site, where you can find out when you will receive an invitation to order a Raspberry Pi model B board and essential accessories.
[3:53] <three14> trevorman, might be a cheap solution for diy'ers who....need xrays of multi-layer pcbs
[3:53] <dirty_d> im very confused
[3:53] <dirty_d> scotch tape and x-rays?
[3:53] <IT_Sean> Yes
[3:53] <IT_Sean> If you peel off scotch tape in a vacuum, you get X-rays
[3:53] <dirty_d> what the.....
[3:53] <dirty_d> how?
[3:53] <three14> dirty_d: yes, unroll a roll of scotch tape in a vacuum and it emits xrays
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[3:54] <trevorman> its to do with the energy released when you're breaking the chemical bonds in the adhesive
[3:54] <dirty_d> why only in a vacuume though?
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[3:54] <trevorman> its pretty weak
[3:55] <dirty_d> well if it cant go though air, how will it go through anything else?
[3:55] <trevorman> no. its something in air that stops it working
[3:55] <trevorman> moisture possibly
[3:55] <three14> i wonder if you could use doublesides scotch tape respool it on a second spool so you could reuse it a few times.
[3:56] <dirty_d> oh
[3:56] <trevorman> three14: if it is reusable and you could get it into a loop then just two big rollers would do
[3:57] <three14> dirty_d, toss the quad in the bin and get started on a diy pcb xray machine. sell a kit. profit.
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[3:57] <three14> i'll buy one from you
[3:57] <dirty_d> cancer
[3:57] <three14> lead vest.
[3:57] <trevorman> lead boxers
[3:57] <dirty_d> lol
[3:57] <IT_Sean> ..
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[3:58] <trevorman> dirty_d: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/28/science/28xray.html?_r=1
[3:59] <trevorman> mainly for the pictures. the article is a little silly in places
[3:59] <dirty_d> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn15016-humble-sticky-tape-emits-powerful-xrays.html
[4:01] <dirty_d> i now live in fear
[4:01] <Wolfram7_> who wants a quick run down on types of radiation and which of them you should be actually worried about?
[4:02] <IT_Sean> Just don't keep stikkytape in your front pocket.
[4:02] <IT_Sean> :p
[4:02] <three14> or unroll it near your nards
[4:02] <trevorman> when in space
[4:02] <IT_Sean> Yah, don't unroll it near the ole twig n' berries. :p
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[4:03] <three14> most expensive thing would probably be the vacuum chamber. pretty sure you could order one from labmart or similar.
[4:03] <dirty_d> i dont get it
[4:03] <three14> no clue about xray film costs.
[4:03] <dirty_d> its in a vacuum
[4:04] <dirty_d> then it leaves the vacuum and goes into the air
[4:04] <dirty_d> through a finger
[4:04] <dirty_d> is it a chemical thing?
[4:04] <trevorman> its an xray
[4:04] <trevorman> it goes through stuff
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[4:05] <three14> preferable not the unwindowed part of the chamber
[4:05] <three14> but lead foil is cheap
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[4:05] <Wolfram7_> x-rays are a range of photons
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[4:05] <Wolfram7_> followed by gamma rays, they have very shallow penetration
[4:06] <dirty_d> x-rays go through my whole damn head
[4:06] <trevorman> doesn't look that great for a PCB xray though. that pic is very fuzzy. they probably weren't aiming for a sharp image though :)
[4:06] <three14> i'm sure it's just a matter of exposure time and focal distance.
[4:06] <Wolfram7_> then beta radiation, which are solitary electrons, they are more substantial than a photon, but also charged, so they don't penetrate very deep either, old TV's had electron guns as primary source of radiation
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[4:07] <Wolfram7_> then alpha radiation, a naked helium nucleus, way more massive and only twice as charged, they can get a bit deeper, but still, way safer than neutrons
[4:07] <Wolfram7_> neutrons are bad fuckers
[4:07] <dirty_d> aplha is helium nucleus?
[4:07] <Wolfram7_> yep
[4:08] <three14> problem with all of these articles is that they don't tell if if unwind speed affects the xray emission, or how long the exposures are.
[4:08] <Wolfram7_> people have actually tried using scotch tape x-ray emission for things?
[4:08] <dirty_d> nuetron radiation has no name?
[4:08] <dirty_d> besides that?
[4:08] <three14> not outside of these articles to my knowledge.
[4:08] <Wolfram7_> hot neutrons, i guess
[4:09] <Wolfram7_> alpha and beta emission was kind of discovered before they had a good handle on what made up nuclei, so it sort of came from two directions at once when they realized they were the same particles
[4:10] <mikey_w> Doesn't seem practical. Urban legend stuff.
[4:10] <three14> what kills me is that being researchers, you'd think they'd have tested a wider variety of tapes. "Oh, we have the setup and everything, all we need to do is swap out rolls of scotch tape for electrical."
[4:10] <three14> "No, let's dismantle it, go to the press, then publish the work behind an annoying paywall
[4:11] <mikey_w> Like snapping a necco for the spark.
[4:11] <Wolfram7_> this number theory junk doesn't seem practical, just silly wanking by the mathematicians
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[4:13] <mikey_w> Like meta-stability of transistor flip-flops.
[4:13] <Wolfram7_> yeah, like that'll ever catch on
[4:13] <mikey_w> hmmmm
[4:13] <Wolfram7_> scientists never did anything that wasn't immediately and obviously useful
[4:13] <Wolfram7_> like refridgeration
[4:14] <Wolfram7_> faraday discovered it and in the short span of 60 years somebody tried commercializing it
[4:14] * fiftyonefiftyAFK is now known as fiftyonefifty
[4:15] <mikey_w> The FET was theorized in 1929 in Germany and finally built in the late 60s.
[4:16] <mikey_w> Babbage designed a computer that couldn't be constructed.
[4:16] <Wolfram7_> i'm aware, i was trying to be facetious, i will include a :p next time to avoid falling pray to poes law
[4:16] <mikey_w> I conceived the 6 hour erection. Still a work in progress.
[4:17] * IT_Sean clears his throat
[4:17] <mikey_w> lol
[4:17] <three14> mikey_w, need moar viagra
[4:17] <mikey_w> Or water melon rind.
[4:17] <three14> no problem to go from paper to pants.
[4:17] <IT_Sean> Hey, if it lasts more than four hours, you should see a doctor.
[4:18] <three14> IT_Sean, i wonder why? a blood pressure thing? or because an erection lasting that long would probably hurt badly.
[4:18] <mikey_w> Who would have thunk that millions of transistors could dance on the tip of a pin?
[4:18] <IT_Sean> Apparently, without getting to graphic, it can cause irreparable damage ot your willy
[4:18] <three14> it'd also negate your morning excercise routine of pushups
[4:18] <ReggieUK> got about 10 seconds to stop this conversation before I get all banny
[4:19] <mikey_w> Yes mam.
[4:19] <three14> ReggieUK, as you wish ;-)
[4:19] <IT_Sean> Bah
[4:19] <mikey_w> And no potty jokes either.
[4:20] * IT_Sean makes a rude noise
[4:20] <three14> damnit, then that means i can't ask the question i had about squat-toilets.
[4:20] <mikey_w> Careful there IT_Sean.
[4:20] <Wolfram7_> so what kind of projects are people doing with their pi's?
[4:20] <IT_Sean> Reg is right.... Keep it clean in here
[4:21] <mikey_w> My current project is waiting for it to ship.
[4:21] <three14> Wolfram7_, getting everything i own to work with it, at the moment.
[4:21] <IT_Sean> Aye... I'm working on a project that has to do with tracking now long it take RS to send out a pi from the time I reg'd interest.
[4:21] <IT_Sean> :p
[4:22] <Wolfram7_> sad face
[4:22] <three14> eventually i'd like to get the pi to log from this mtk3329 gps unit i have. only needs to log generic nmea, nothing more.
[4:22] <IT_Sean> I'm hoping to have mine by September
[4:22] <mikey_w> And all of those school kids are waiting too.
[4:22] <Wolfram7_> what distro is suggested for a low experience person? i got the raspian distro but it was pretty much empty
[4:22] <D-side> IT_Sean: you haven't got yours yet?
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[4:23] <Wolfram7_> it didn't even have a text editor as far as i could tell
[4:23] <three14> mikey_w, they'll have an even longer wait when their teachers are frantically looking around for a powered hub that's not garbage.
[4:23] <mikey_w> Linux from scratch.
[4:23] <Arch-iMac> Wolfram7_: try debian squeeze
[4:23] <IT_Sean> D-side: Nyet
[4:23] <D-side> IT_Sean: i figured everyone around here (esp an op) would have theirs.
[4:24] <D-side> mine's just sitting next to my tv, barely being used
[4:24] <D-side> (i'm sure that doesnt help)
[4:24] <mikey_w> I am waiting for the LFS book.
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[4:24] <IT_Sean> I tired to get priority shipping for chan ops, but, Liz said no.
[4:24] <D-side> how dare she
[4:24] <three14> D-side loves rubbing the salt into IT_Sean's wounds.
[4:24] <mikey_w> LFS book for the PI.
[4:24] <D-side> hm wonder when the modmypi cases are shipping
[4:24] <Arch-iMac> after the 18th i thought i read
[4:25] <passstab> Wolfram7_, try the official Debian image
[4:25] * IT_Sean lights a doggie poo bag on fire and leaves it on D-side's front walk
[4:25] <D-side> ah i didnt even look at the site yet, was pondering aloud
[4:25] <three14> that's a potty joke!
[4:25] <passstab> then if that software is too old
[4:25] <mikey_w> I called Newark and they said mine would ship on June 28th but I don't really believe that.
[4:25] <D-side> for as much as i typically hate the "keep it clean" rules, in this channel in particular it makes total sense
[4:25] <D-side> considering the project's raison d'etre is to involve kids
[4:26] <three14> yea, i have hit backspace many many times to avoid the fbomb
[4:26] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[4:26] <passstab> (which it probably will be) change the sources.lst file to testing
[4:26] <mikey_w> French always sounds dirty.
[4:26] <passstab> ^^google that if you want
[4:26] <oldtopman> Are you people still looking for rpis?
[4:26] <D-side> oldtopman: some are
[4:26] <mikey_w> yes
[4:26] <D-side> why, got a source?
[4:26] <D-side> someone i know foudn one on ebay or something like that
[4:27] <D-side> from someone who had no idea what they were originally ordering
[4:27] <passstab> hey kid i can hook you up
[4:27] <mikey_w> A Russian scam company?
[4:27] <passstab> :P
[4:27] <three14> i got a mental image of oldtopman wearing a trenchcoat with a bunch of pis attached to the inside. lurking in the alley, trying to sell them.
[4:28] <mikey_w> Hey Joe, wanna buy a PI?
[4:28] <D-side> i wish these xbmc project people would get on the ball and make me happy
[4:28] <D-side> with a faster release schedule. jeez.
[4:28] <oldtopman> I found a super cheap one over on eBay
[4:28] <oldtopman> I've already made my $5, the market crached, buut I broke even :P
[4:28] <mikey_w> Some assembly required?
[4:28] <oldtopman> Tis only $51
[4:29] <mikey_w> No returns accepted.
[4:29] <oldtopman> No.
[4:29] <oldtopman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/130710914156?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649
[4:29] <oldtopman> Make of it what you will.
[4:29] <D-side> oh perhaps some of you will know this. i'm seeing buffering issues within xbmc via a usb wireless nic
[4:29] <D-side> i found some forum post somewhere (not particularly helpful, i know) that says its kernel related
[4:29] <D-side> anyone hear about this?
[4:29] <three14> http://theinfosphere.org/images/b/bd/Organ_Dealer.jpg
[4:30] <mikey_w> That's the bid, not the final price.
[4:30] <Arch-iMac> three14: on that testkit did you move the lib dir to your sd? if so how did you get it there? sftp it then move it?
[4:30] <three14> i was on the pi when i did it. but you could probably just scp it over as root.
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[4:31] <oldtopman> mikey_w: derp
[4:31] <oldtopman> carry on
[4:31] <Arch-iMac> three14: ahh ok thanks
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[4:33] <D-side> hmmm
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[4:33] <D-side> thoughts? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UE52ME/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B005L2NTTQ&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=19KYV1HAJ12D7BWD2GZW
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[4:37] <three14> D-side, i looked at that very same keyboard. it's probsbly hit or miss. :-\
[4:37] <oldtopman> three14: Here's your picture of me: http://uploadpie.com/4D3tY
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[4:37] <three14> oldtopman, lol!
[4:38] <D-side> three14: i know. damnit.
[4:38] <D-side> three14: be the guinea pig. let me know how it is.
[4:38] <Arch-iMac> lol
[4:38] <D-side> i'm looking at the lenovo one
[4:39] <three14> i would thnk that the fancier it is, the less chance it has of working
[4:39] <three14> unless you used a powered hub, of course. then i'm sure it'd be ok
[4:40] <three14> i'd still like to know which one of you did this: http://imgur.com/a/PDI3v
[4:40] <three14> i know it's one of you
[4:41] <three14> -_-
[4:43] <NucWin> nice
[4:44] <NucWin> i was thinking of removing them all if possible
[4:44] <NucWin> there is electronics in the lan port though so direct soldering wont work :(
[4:46] <Arch-iMac> man that usb hack is kewl
[4:46] <Arch-iMac> wish i was smart enuf to do that
[4:47] <Arch-iMac> what i really wish was for all this shit sticking all over the place for inputs was replaced by ribbon equivalents so we can mount in any case
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[4:48] <NucWin> ^^^ thats what i was thinking remove all ports and make them external
[4:48] <three14> and proper mounting holes.
[4:48] <NucWin> but the lan is a bit of an issue
[4:48] <NucWin> and not sure hdmi
[4:48] <NucWin> +about
[4:49] <three14> nucwin, could you not terminate a small section of cat5 with an rj45 on one end, and a keystone jack on the other?
[4:49] <three14> or are you worried about the size itself of the jack connected to the board.
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[4:49] <NucWin> i remeber a post ages ago about having to get the right network socket that had some componets builtin
[4:50] <three14> a magjack, yea, but if you leave it on the board, and just make an extension cable, you could still re-route it
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[4:50] <NucWin> might be able to desolder the connector and just solder it to some cat5 but not sure if the length to the connector will be an issue with it containing components
[4:52] <trevorman> keep it short and make sure the pairs are twisted. it should be okay for short distances though
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[4:52] <NucWin> :)
[4:53] <trevorman> three14: I don't see the point of that USB mod
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[4:53] <NucWin> less bulky connector
[4:53] <NucWin> easier to mount in a box with the other pcb
[4:53] <three14> trevorman, at first i thought he was going to put everything in a case, but then i saw that he just plunked it down on top. odd.
[4:54] <trevorman> a right angle USB plug wouldn't take up more space
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[4:54] <trevorman> just seems odd to go to all that effort to put it into a box anyway
[4:54] <Arch-iMac> three14: well i assumed he placed it on top to show where it was going to go reletive to the box
[4:55] <trevorman> the other route would just be to solder onto the bottom of the RPi and leave the socket there
[4:55] <NucWin> needs to get it all running from one power adapter
[4:55] <trevorman> NucWin: yeah but why bother with removing the USB sockets *shrug*
[4:55] <NucWin> oh wait he has
[4:56] <trevorman> right angle plug and you don't need to unsolder the socket + you keep usage of both sockets if needed
[4:56] <trevorman> or short lead soldered to the USB socket pins on the bottom of the RPi
[4:56] <three14> plus the usb socket is just as high as the composite video
[4:58] <trevorman> something like a http://www.usbfirewire.com/Parts/rr-aar02-14.jpg
[4:58] <Arch-iMac> ohhh
[4:59] <NucWin> still quite outward pointy
[4:59] <Arch-iMac> if it was on a thin robbon cable that would be perfect
[4:59] <Arch-iMac> err ribbon
[4:59] <trevorman> they plugged into the USB power input still so *shrug*
[5:00] <trevorman> I'm not against modding. I just need to have a good reason for the mod :)
[5:00] <NucWin> wip?
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[5:00] <three14> work in progress
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[5:00] <hadifarnoud> anyone here?
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[5:00] <NucWin> no
[5:00] <Arch-iMac> hadifarnoud: nope
[5:00] <hadifarnoud> :D
[5:00] <hadifarnoud> oh good Arch
[5:00] <Arch-iMac> aww crap
[5:01] <trevorman> that said, you could make a USB power boost just with a couple extension leads like I linked above and by chopping a micro USB cable in half
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[5:01] <hadifarnoud> I've got an issue with Arch actually Arch-iMac
[5:01] <Arch-iMac> ohhh good
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[5:01] <Arch-iMac> i dont know anything about archlinux
[5:01] <hadifarnoud> got /usr/bin/X: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[5:01] <hadifarnoud> after upgrade
[5:01] <hadifarnoud> upgrade*
[5:01] <hadifarnoud> damn
[5:01] <hadifarnoud> anyone?
[5:02] <trevorman> it would bypass all the fuses and let you draw whatever you want without needing to alter the RPi at all. a little bulky though
[5:02] <three14> http://i.qkme.me/3pqree.jpg
[5:02] <Arch-iMac> lol
[5:03] <hadifarnoud> I have to three14, no usb keyboard :( Arch image has ssh
[5:03] <three14> debian and raspbian both have ssh
[5:03] <Arch-iMac> yarp
[5:03] <hadifarnoud> not running by default
[5:04] <three14> just rename boot_enable_ssh.rc to boot.rc to enable ssh on boot
[5:04] <NucWin> hadifarnoud http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/41620
[5:04] <NucWin> read comments too
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[5:05] <NucWin> gets a bit flamy lol
[5:06] <hadifarnoud> ln -s /usr/lib/libudev.so.1.0.1 /usr/lib/libudev.so.0 is not a proper way of doint it.
[5:06] <three14> linux is chock full of workarounds using symlinks.
[5:06] <Arch-iMac> yarp
[5:06] <NucWin> seems rebuilding the kernel might fix it
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[5:06] <NucWin> mkinitcpio -p linux
[5:07] <hadifarnoud> tried that before ==> ERROR: Preset not found: `/etc/mkinitcpio.d/linux.preset'
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[5:08] <hadifarnoud> NucWin: am I doing it wrong?
[5:09] <NucWin> have a look in /etc/mkinitcpio.d/ to see if any other presets
[5:09] <NucWin> argh birds
[5:10] <NucWin> thats a bad sign
[5:10] <hadifarnoud> there is an example.present
[5:10] <hadifarnoud> should I use that?
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[5:11] <hadifarnoud> NucWin: here too. Pisomnia
[5:12] <NucWin> need to have a look for other arch documentation to find right command for building kernel
[5:12] <NucWin> or atleast do --help to see what params are
[5:13] <NucWin> ive not got a linux box with me to have a look
[5:13] <hadifarnoud> thanks anyway man :)
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[5:14] <hadifarnoud> I try Pacman -Suuy and see what happens
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[5:15] <hadifarnoud> wondering if PiBot is actually running on RPi
[5:16] <NucWin> dont think so
[5:16] <Arch-iMac> three14: i guess with the raspbian installer it downloads the lastest stuff so when you do a apt-get update nothing will be found?
[5:16] <Arch-iMac> hadifarnoud: i dont think it is
[5:17] <mikey_w> I never go anywhere without a linux box or at least a good rooted android console,
[5:17] <tech2077> mikey_w, agreed
[5:18] <hadifarnoud> I wish Raspbian had ssh by default. my macbook SD reader is faulty (read-only) can't rename anything :(
[5:18] <mikey_w> "Better terminal" works for me
[5:18] <mikey_w> And connectbot.
[5:18] <mikey_w> And a vnc viewer.
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[5:19] <NucWin> i use connectbot and hackers keyboard for ctrl esc etc
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[5:20] <hadifarnoud> anyone has an image of custom raspbian that has ssh?
[5:20] <mikey_w> I use a nook color, good battery and inexpesive.
[5:20] <mikey_w> inexpensive
[5:20] <Arch-iMac> hadifarnoud: it does...but i used rasbian installer
[5:20] <hadifarnoud> is it for linux only?
[5:21] <mikey_w> It dual boots stock nook android or CM7.
[5:21] <three14> hadifarnoud, nope. any os that can extract the files and copy them over to a fat32 partition
[5:21] <Arch-iMac> hadifarnoud: you make your sd card fat32...install the contents onto it and boot it up and follow the directions....one of the options near the end lets you install ssh
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[5:23] <three14> hadifarnoud, http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[5:23] <hadifarnoud> cheers. three14
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[5:24] <three14> hadifarnoud, here's an image of a minimal raspbian install that a guy named darkbasic made: http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
[5:25] <hadifarnoud> fantastic. cheers
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[5:25] <three14> after you write it, open up the boot partition (that's FAT), and rename the boot_enable_ssh.rc to boot.rc, then boot the sd card on the pi
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[5:26] <three14> hadifarnoud, and here's the thread concerning it: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=7735&p=96861
[5:26] <hadifarnoud> did u use this?
[5:26] <hadifarnoud> sounds great
[5:27] <three14> hadifarnoud, yes until i used the raspbian installer to make my own.
[5:27] <Arch-iMac> i used the raspbianinstaller as well
[5:27] <three14> should be enought o get you started
[5:27] <hadifarnoud> cool.
[5:27] <hadifarnoud> it's still hard to find good stuff by googling
[5:28] <hadifarnoud> community is still young
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[5:29] <three14> when you get it up and running, come back here and ask about rpi-update.
[5:29] <three14> it'll fix the slow sd speeds
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[5:29] <Arch-iMac> three14: did they fix the division by zero issue?
[5:30] <three14> Arch-iMac, in rpi-update. i don't know yet. but if not, he'll need to use the boot stuiff from zgreg's testkit
[5:30] <Arch-iMac> three14: yeah because i did rpi-update and i got the division by zero flood but that was 6+ hours ago
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[5:32] <RoyOnWheels> hi
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[5:36] <RoyOnWheels> http://www.indiegogo.com/arcol-raspi
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[5:41] <hadifarnoud> dd bs=1m if=raspbian_wheezy_20120608.img of=/dev/disk1s1 gives me Resource busy
[5:41] <hadifarnoud> any idea?
[5:41] <hadifarnoud> (using mac)
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[5:42] <three14> there's a cat command to do it as well, unfortunately i can't remember it
[5:45] <hadifarnoud> how can I make sure that's the right disk?
[5:46] <kadafi> disk utility
[5:47] <hadifarnoud> got it working.
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[5:49] <three14> damnit, lol
[5:49] <three14> well, here's the command from earlier...
[5:49] <three14> <+dirty_d> rredd4, just do "cat rpi_pisces_r2.img > /dev/whatever; sync"
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[6:05] <three14> man, i just stumbled across some old install notes from gentoo 1.4
[6:06] <three14> i forgot how much i loved reiserfs
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[6:09] <kadafi> ah the wife murdering file system
[6:09] <three14> dude, i was devastated.
[6:10] <three14> i was like 'f'it, there goes reiserfs'
[6:10] <Arch-iMac> i cant believe no one else took it over
[6:10] <three14> they could have forked it and named it after his wife.
[6:10] <phire> It got a bad reputation
[6:10] <phire> and it happend at the worst possible time
[6:11] <phire> right as they were transistioning from reisterfs3 to reisterfs4
[6:11] <three14> does anyone still use it?
[6:11] <phire> also, ext4 came out
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[6:12] <Xpl01t> three14: about was so special about reiserfs? (sorry, i'm not expert at filesystems)
[6:12] <Xpl01t> three14: what was so special about reiserfs? (sorry, i'm not expert at filesystems)
[6:13] <three14> Xpl01t, tbh, it's been so long, i can't remember why i was so enfatuated.
[6:13] <phire> it was advanced for its time
[6:13] <kadafi> was a decent performing journaling fs before ext was? at least what I remember.
[6:14] <three14> well, there was still ext3 at the time, that's what i went to after the murder
[6:14] <kadafi> same
[6:14] <Xpl01t> hmm
[6:15] <three14> brings back a lot of memories, though
[6:15] <three14> "mkreiserfs /dev/hda3" clearly written in my notes :'(
[6:16] <three14> i used to rock vixie-cron
[6:17] <three14> i still pay homage to my gentoo dayts by using it's bashrc
[6:18] <kadafi> I was a hardcore slackware user
[6:18] <three14> nothing wrong with that
[6:19] <kadafi> still run it on my vps
[6:19] <Arch-iMac> vps?
[6:19] <kadafi> virtual private server, cloud virtual machine.
[6:19] <Arch-iMac> ahh
[6:21] <Arch-iMac> kadafi: how much does that cost?
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[6:21] <three14> know what else i miss? kde 3.x
[6:22] <kadafi> I use vr.org, most of my friends use linode. I have the base package from vr.org, it's like 10 bucks a month. good enough to irc from and do some other random stuff.
[6:23] <magn3ts> Sooo, if I want to remote to my Rasp Pi, mount via SSH and playback.... what tool should I use for playback?
[6:23] <magn3ts> ffplay and mplayer are unusable, even though XBMC can play this stuff back
[6:25] <three14> i only got mplayer playing an mp3, that's about it. havenm't tried video
[6:26] <phire> xbmc will be using the hardware acclerated backend
[6:26] <phire> which mplayer/ffplay will have no idea about
[6:26] <magn3ts> Is there a way to get ffplay to as well?
[6:26] <magn3ts> Or are there patches for it? I thought xbmc used ffmpeg in a way.
[6:28] <three14> all i did to get mplayer to work was modprobing the snd_bcm2835 module, installing mplayer and pulseaudio, and then i think that's it. it was a pain at first because i didn't know what was wrong.
[6:28] <Arch-iMac> kadafi: are you doing more than that? because if you are just ircing from it there are much cheaper solutions....i pay like 30$ a year for shell access and i can irc from that all i want
[6:29] <kadafi> do you have full dns control of your shell?
[6:29] <kadafi> reverse dns is nice.
[6:29] <kadafi> but yeah, I do other stuff from it.
[6:29] <Arch-iMac> ohh no i dont but i have access to a bunch of vhosts
[6:29] <magn3ts> three14: well I'm sure I can get it to play audio
[6:29] <magn3ts> but I want video :)
[6:29] <kadafi> vpn, web server, sql. all squeezed in the low mem I have allocated.
[6:30] <three14> magn3ts, honestly, i doubt it would satisfy you. xbmc might be your best best for quality
[6:30] <kadafi> I'd guess then the advantage I have is root? and dns?
[6:30] <three14> bet*
[6:31] <Arch-iMac> kadafi: looks that way :)
[6:31] <Arch-iMac> but then again all im doing is ircing
[6:32] <kadafi> I have a couple of friends and a bot that irc from this "box" too.
[6:33] <magn3ts> No one here knows how the xbmc guys are taking advantage of the hardware acceld GLES? :(
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[6:38] <three14> they probably have it easier with no X
[6:40] <phire> do they have source code?
[6:41] <magn3ts> weird, looks like omxplayer and xbmc are the only ones patched for the rasp
[6:41] <magn3ts> :/
[6:47] * three14 places his hand on magn3ts' forehead..
[6:47] <three14> "Patience, Neo. The answers are coming."
[6:47] <magn3ts> well the only reason I find it noteworthy is that FFMPEG has already been patched inside XBMC :P
[6:49] <phire> xbmc uses omxplayer as a backend
[6:53] <phire> looks like there is a library
[6:53] <phire> /opt/vc/lib/libbcm_host.so
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[6:57] <phire> if you want hardware accleration, you have to use those libraries in /opt/vc/
[6:59] <phire> it also has same code in the /opt/vc/src directory
[6:59] <phire> *sample
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[7:06] <magn3ts> phire: :O
[7:06] <magn3ts> I didn't know xbmc was channeling omxplayer, I guess that makes some sense.
[7:07] <magn3ts> I assumed someone had patched the version of ffmpeg they normally use
[7:07] <phire> basically, xmbc doesn't do anything
[7:07] <phire> just unwraps the fileformat and sends the video stream to the gpu
[7:08] <three14> it's got it's flashy 'game-loop' ui though
[7:09] <three14> the same game-loop ui that runs the piss out of my original xbox and ensures that i am fully aware that the fan still works. ;-)
[7:11] <phire> :)
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[7:15] <magn3ts> Hm, a bit disappointed, the headphone jack on my pi seems to be messedu p
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[7:48] * Xark tabs over to his terminal window and sees his Pi at a kernel debugger prompt. Cool (except for the "Oops" part. :-) ) -> http://pastebin.com/sADJSvtw
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[7:49] <Arch-iMac> Xark: lol i had that earlier today
[7:49] * three14 is bored and should come up with a Pi rap
[7:50] <Xark> Arch-iMac: Ok, glad it is not just my RPi. :) Not too many clues I can see in the dump...
[7:50] <three14> I said the Pi don't fry in the fab house
[7:50] <three14> Blobs don't work on the real (that's right)
[7:50] <three14> It took a whole lotta dd'ing
[7:50] <three14> Just to get up that shell
[7:50] <three14> I said but now we're up in the BIN BASH
[7:51] <three14> My polyfuse gon' turn and trip
[7:51] <three14> And just as long as it's livin'
[7:51] <three14> It's Raspbian, playa'
[7:51] <three14> It ain't nuttin' wrong wit that, what -- boot it up!
[7:51] * Xark head bobs and flashes gang signs :)
[7:51] <Arch-iMac> lol
[7:52] <TypenameT> Well done. :)
[7:52] * rvalles palmfaces
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[7:52] <three14> set those lyrics to this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNGaa5Opfmc
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[7:54] <three14> best i could do at short notice
[7:55] <OlDrunk> Hello
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[7:56] <megatog615> ohi
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[7:57] <TypenameT> Hi.
[7:58] <megatog615> i think im eating mike&ikes from like 4 years ago
[7:58] <three14> all Mike & Ikes are from 4yrs ago
[7:58] <three14> and still delicious
[7:59] <megatog615> oh yes, agreed
[7:59] <DaQatz> I like Zours from Mike & Ike.
[7:59] <DaQatz> But they are rare, and hard to find here.
[8:01] <three14> having iced coffee here. no candy :'(
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[8:03] <three14> i probably should have held off on that ghetto rap about the pi, so i could incorporate Eben, Liz, kill -9 and emacs
[8:03] <three14> so many random ideas at 2am
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[8:08] <megatog615> anyway
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[8:08] <megatog615> what is the typical amperage of computer usb ports?
[8:08] <megatog615> not hub or wall charger
[8:08] <three14> depends on the standard
[8:09] <megatog615> ok, 2.0 then
[8:09] <Helldesk> with usb 2.0, 100 mA and up to 500 mA if the device asks for it
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[8:09] <three14> i usually use 500mA/port in estimates
[8:09] <megatog615> huh
[8:09] <megatog615> so its quite a bit less than a 700mA charger
[8:10] <Helldesk> so, for example a passive usb hub asks for the full 500 mA and can use 100 mA for itself and provide 100 mA per port
[8:10] <three14> well, the best the pi can do is 140mA/port
[8:10] <megatog615> lol really?
[8:10] <three14> yea, limited by the polyfuses
[8:10] <megatog615> i remember reading minimum was 500
[8:10] <three14> that'd be nice :-\
[8:10] <megatog615> or it wouldnt even power on
[8:10] <Helldesk> you really mustn't count on the Pi actually powering anything power hungry directly
[8:11] <three14> well, the pi needs about 700mA for it's power source.
[8:11] <megatog615> yeah unfortunately the logitech unifying receiver eats up a bit too much power
[8:11] <three14> but the pi itself can only output 140mA/usb
[8:11] <megatog615> i was hoping i wouldnt need a powered hub for that
[8:11] <megatog615> ah
[8:11] <Helldesk> power the Pi with an active (powered) hub and power the Pi itself with one of its ports
[8:12] <three14> Piception!
[8:12] <Helldesk> that way you only need one wall wart or power source, the one going into the hub
[8:12] <Helldesk> that's what I do
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[8:12] <SLFCore> greetings
[8:12] <megatog615> hah
[8:12] <megatog615> good idea
[8:12] <SLFCore> anyone using rpi as a shoutcast streamer
[8:12] <SLFCore> (client)
[8:12] <Xark> Helldesk: That works well, but often you need a "dual port" power cord (that is what I am using and it is working fine with 3.5A USB 7 port hub power supply).
[8:12] <megatog615> hook the pi into its own hub
[8:13] <Helldesk> Xark: what's the problem?
[8:13] <magn3ts> does openelec come with the alsa driver?
[8:13] <megatog615> it's too bad we can't get connectivity over the power connector
[8:13] <magn3ts> Also, is anyone using Raspbian ? Is it "worth" it?
[8:13] <three14> magn3ts, no, it accesses openmax directly
[8:13] <megatog615> was really hoping it would, like a phone does
[8:13] <Helldesk> as long as the hub's power source can power what you want to plug in, it'll work
[8:13] <Xark> Helldesk: Each USB port (by the spec) supplys 500ma, that isn't quite enough for the Pi so you need two ports (although depending on hub it may "work for you").
[8:13] <megatog615> anyone know how much power a logitech unifying receiver draws?
[8:14] <Helldesk> just don't try to put two amps *through* the Pi (in at the power jack, out its usb ports)
[8:14] <Helldesk> Xark: I was asking what the problem was; a port on a powered hub provides the milliamps the spec demands
[8:15] <Helldesk> so go ahead and plug in a "dual port" power cord
[8:15] <Xark> Helldesk: Well, I am just saying, I believe you need TWO ports (700ma for RPi is > 500ma per port from USB spec).
[8:15] <Helldesk> the Pi doesn't enter into it as far as power supply goes
[8:15] <Xark> Helldesk: It does if you are powering the RPi from the powered USB hub (which is what I thought you were saying...)
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[8:16] <Helldesk> ah yes
[8:16] <Helldesk> well, use a usb 3.0 hub :)
[8:17] <Helldesk> (I'm not sure if they provide 500+ mA to usb 2.0 devices though
[8:17] <Xark> Helldesk: Hehe, or that. PI wouldn't talk to my USB HDD for some reason (fell back to slower USB 2.0 one).
[8:17] <Xark> USB 3.0 HDD I mean*
[8:17] <Helldesk> it's a usb 2.0 device so that would be expected, right?
[8:17] <magn3ts> how stripped down is openelec?
[8:18] <Xark> Helldesk: I thought they were backwards compatible (same USB connector [on the PC side]).
[8:18] <Helldesk> yes, backwards compatible connector, but a 2.0 host is a 2.0 host, and Pi has 2.0
[8:18] <tech2077> magn3ts, very, just the basics and xbmc
[8:18] <Helldesk> so getting usb 3.0 speeds out of it would be odd
[8:18] <tech2077> its almost just xbmc
[8:19] <Xark> Helldesk: Sure, I wasn't expecting it to be faster than 2.0, I just thought it would *work* (it did not at all - hung the kernel).
[8:19] <magn3ts> oh well, I guess I'll try it and then install raspbian for my tinkering needs.
[8:19] <magn3ts> Raspbmc doesn't include the alsa driver annoyingly.
[8:19] <magn3ts> well I guess I don't know if Raspbian does either
[8:20] <three14> if you install it
[8:20] <magn3ts> you mean rebuild the kern
[8:20] <three14> should already be in the prebuilt images
[8:20] <Xark> Helldesk: It was a much newer better spec drive though, so even as USB 2.0 it would be faster than the ancient WD I am using (but it is fine for the RPi, really - better than SD).
[8:20] <magn3ts> not of Raspbmc it's not
[8:20] <magn3ts> oh
[8:20] <magn3ts> you mean in Raspbian :)
[8:21] <three14> you only need install the usual alsa-utils, etc
[8:21] <magn3ts> cool :)
[8:21] <Helldesk> does your usb hub/ethernet chip get hot?
[8:21] <magn3ts> I assume Raspbian is "better" than the official debian builds because of the hard float
[8:21] <Helldesk> the little one
[8:21] <Xark> Helldesk: Yes, warmer than the CPU (but not too hot to hold my finger on).
[8:22] <three14> magn3ts, it's slightly faster i think
[8:22] <Helldesk> running openelec gets it too hot to touch
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[8:22] <Helldesk> well, not too hot to touch, but hotter than you can keep your finger on indefinitely
[8:22] <three14> probably because openelec/xbmc run the hell out of the cpu/gpu for it's ui that's constantly redrawn
[8:22] <Helldesk> yup, it's not event driven, it just runs as fast as possible like a game
[8:22] <Helldesk> due to its heritage
[8:23] <magn3ts> that's why I'm trying to get away without needing it :)
[8:23] <three14> my xbox1 (and poor fan) agrees
[8:23] <Xark> Helldesk: My RPi is mostly idle currently. When I ran a GPU stress test the CPU (GPU) got pretty hot (1000 textured cubes per frame in hello_triangle). I measured its actual power use (on my bench power supply) and the highest I measured was with GPU cranking at about 540ma IIRC.
[8:23] <tech2077> Helldesk, i have yet to get that hot with raspbmc and a 1080p movie
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[8:23] <tech2077> or 720 with subs (cpu and gpu)
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[8:25] <Xark> (that 540ma was with no USB devices directly in the RPi - all in the powered hub)
[8:25] <Xark> ...but I wasn't stressing Ethernet (so that may add some power and heat, for sure)
[8:26] <magn3ts> Does the Raspbian XBMC package have the Rpi patches, I wonder...
[8:26] <magn3ts> Or is that already in mainline xbmc?
[8:27] <three14> Anyopne have detailed operating conditions for the Pi (like temp and humidity)?
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[8:29] <megatog615> three14: isn't that in the users manual that comes with it?
[8:29] * three14 looks for this 'user manual'.
[8:30] * megatog615 got his from element14 and it was packaged
[8:30] <megatog615> it's basically the compliance and safety paper
[8:31] <megatog615> in fact it's actually titled that, lol
[8:31] <three14> got my from e14 as well, but i only got a box, anti-static bag, and a two page stapled sheet
[8:31] * megatog615 gets his copy
[8:31] * Xark just got a one page folded zerox that says "GETTING STARTED" FOr your free download go to raspberrypi.org/downloads (and legal/safety stuff on the other side). Also had a RMA form.
[8:32] <three14> says keep away from water and moisture
[8:32] <three14> brilliant
[8:32] <Arch-iMac> three14: same here
[8:32] <megatog615> yeah it doesnt give numbers
[8:32] <Xark> three14: Yeah, but I hear it is OK to rub it on your cat. :)
[8:32] <megatog615> lol
[8:32] <three14> i call BS on that
[8:32] * megatog615 gets his kitty
[8:32] <three14> rub on the cat for how long
[8:32] * Xark is not testing that theory with his massively fluffy cat. :)
[8:33] <megatog615> does color of furt affect this theory?
[8:33] <three14> can i have a Pi in a room full of cats, party balloons, and rocking chairs?
[8:33] <megatog615> if it's black it might be unlucky
[8:33] <three14> because something's gonna get a nice esd discharge
[8:34] <megatog615> three14: MCDONALDS BALL PIT
[8:34] * Xark is uncertain if it applies to Schrodinger's Cat or not... :)
[8:34] <three14> i don't want the Pi to get a staph infection
[8:34] <three14> Xark, interesting point, will cesium be involved?
[8:35] <Xark> three14: Of coz. :D
[8:35] <megatog615> LOL
[8:35] <three14> i the pi could suffer from esd, it or might not
[8:35] <three14> i guess it depends if you stare at it or think about it
[8:36] <Arch-iMac> ive started at it..nothing happened
[8:36] <Arch-iMac> err starred
[8:36] <three14> stared?
[8:36] <Arch-iMac> is that not the correct spelling?
[8:37] <three14> someone needs to clock the cpu to 900, preheat their oven to 125F, and compile kde while the Pi is in the oven.
[8:37] <Arch-iMac> lol
[8:37] <Arch-iMac> well im not gonna do that
[8:37] <Arch-iMac> ohhh that reminds me
[8:37] <Arch-iMac> three14: what was it i needed to do once i installed rasbian?
[8:38] <Arch-iMac> set the cpu speed?
[8:38] <three14> well, you rpi-updated, right? that gave you the divide by zero kernel error, right?
[8:39] <three14> then you used the kernel, etc from zgreg's test kit
[8:39] <Arch-iMac> correct...i applied the zgreg toolkit and it fixed that
[8:39] <three14> which fixed it
[8:39] <Arch-iMac> righto
[8:39] <Arch-iMac> i di a apt-get update and upgrade
[8:39] <megatog615> eh?
[8:39] <three14> you can create a config.txt in /boot and add cpu_freq-900 to it. mines solid as a rock with that setting
[8:39] <megatog615> i was about to rpi-update
[8:39] <magn3ts> wat? does this apply if I'm using the pisces image?
[8:40] <Arch-iMac> lol
[8:40] <megatog615> is there something about dividing by zero that i should know?
[8:40] <three14> megatog615, go ahead, but if you get kernel error spam after reboot, you'll need a few files to fix it
[8:40] <three14> megatog615, yea, don't
[8:40] <three14> ever
[8:40] <megatog615> then i will wait
[8:40] <Arch-iMac> three14: just add that line and nothing else?
[8:41] <magn3ts> but I really want the latest and greatest :)
[8:42] <three14> about 12hrs ago the rpi-update was broken. it updated correctly, but the kernel has a bit of an error. zgreg gave us a 'testkit' which included a different kernel image and whatnot that fixed the rpi-update error. it was a simple matter of cpoy/replace with some files.
[8:42] <three14> Arch-iMac, yep
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[8:44] <tech2077> hmm
[8:45] <three14> magn3ts, go ahead and rpi-update, but if you get a ton of errors afterwards and it refuses to boot, download and extract this: http://greg.kinoho.net/rpi-sd-testkit.tar.bz2 . Copy the stuff from the boot directory to /boot on your pi. should fix it.
[8:45] <tech2077> it seems easier to just write a tty driver to write out a terminal to a lcd than to create a program to do weird piping and emulation of input and output
[8:45] <magn3ts> three14: much appreciated
[8:46] <three14> in fact, it even fixed a jank 2gb microsd card i had. was getting like 1.5MB/s speed, now it gets 9.8MB/s
[8:46] <magn3ts> o_0 what is the purpose of rpi_update anyway? it updates the kernel? Is it raspbian specific then?
[8:46] <magn3ts> I thought it was just firmware?
[8:47] <three14> magn3ts, kernel/firmware i believe
[8:47] <megatog615> tbh i wish rpi-update was a debian repository
[8:47] <magn3ts> so raspbian uses the official raspberry pi debian kernel?
[8:47] <magn3ts> or is rpi_update modified in raspbian to pull the raspbian kernel?
[8:47] <magn3ts> I agree with megatog615
[8:47] <three14> don't all of the distros use the same kernel?
[8:48] <magn3ts> three14: no idea, I figured with raspbian's goal, they would want their own built kernel...
[8:48] <three14> magn3ts, i imagine they will. i donated $$ so i hope it takes off.
[8:48] <tech2077> anyone willing to donate a spi lcd module to me in that name of science :)
[8:49] <Arch-iMac> three14: whats the command to see the new cpu speed?
[8:50] <three14> cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
[8:50] <Arch-iMac> ahh thats it
[8:50] <three14> if you're near 900 bogomips, it's about right
[8:51] <Arch-iMac> 697.95
[8:51] <Arch-iMac> seems it didnt take
[8:51] <three14> mine says 898.66 bogomips
[8:51] <Arch-iMac> cpu_freq=900 right?
[8:52] <neofutur> init_emmc_clock=50000000 arm_freq=930 gpu_freq=350 sdram_freq=500
[8:52] <neofutur> arm_freq
[8:52] <neofutur> not cpu_freq
[8:53] <three14> AHHHH, so sorry, Arch-iMac, neofutur is right
[8:53] <Arch-iMac> ahh ok
[8:53] <neofutur> i recommend the settings above, got mine very stable even on long tern high load ith those settings ;)
[8:53] <neofutur> 07:51:47 up 2 days, 23:20, 6 users, load average: 6.66, 5.58, 3.25
[8:53] <three14> neofutur, what's the stock sdram and gpu freq?
[8:53] <three14> neofutur, holy hell, look at that load average. what are you doing, currently
[8:54] <neofutur> I dont remember the defaults ;( can just say they re lower than my settings ;(
[8:54] <neofutur> three14: rebuilding gentoo
[8:54] <neofutur> emerge -e world
[8:54] <three14> neofutur, that'll do it
[8:54] <Arch-iMac> three14: well setting that dumps me into the kernel debug
[8:54] <neofutur> main goal is to test stabilitly on long term high load with init_emmc_clock=50000000 arm_freq=930 gpu_freq=350 sdram_freq=500
[8:55] <three14> neofutur, what is init_emmc_clock=50000000
[8:55] <neofutur> after 2 days high load, i think i can recommend the overclocking settings ;)
[8:55] <Arch-iMac> maybe i need the other settings?
[8:55] <neofutur> its for the sd card
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[8:55] <three14> Arch-iMac, it should work with just the gpu_freq=900
[8:55] <three14> arm* sorry
[8:55] <neofutur> hdparm -t /dev/mmcblk0
[8:55] <Arch-iMac> yeah it doesnt
[8:55] <neofutur> to see how fast is your sd card
[8:55] <Arch-iMac> maybe its a ps issue
[8:56] <three14> hdparm -t -T is what i use
[8:56] <three14> Arch-iMac, how are you creating the config.txt?
[8:56] <Arch-iMac> it was already there so i just edited the blank file
[8:57] <Arch-iMac> used nano
[8:57] <tech2077> my pi loves to eat up SD cards
[8:57] <three14> Arch-iMac, rm the config.txt
[8:57] <three14> then just use nano and add arm_freq=900
[8:57] <tech2077> if i don't nfs boot, or carefully shutdown, the card fs gets corrupt very quickly
[8:57] <three14> saving will create the file
[8:58] <three14> tech2077, so no reboot -f?
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[8:59] <tech2077> i have to admit to usually just unplugging the power though
[8:59] <tech2077> since my pi travels a lot
[9:00] <three14> i just yank the power cord as well if the OK led isn't flashing
[9:01] <tech2077> same
[9:01] <tech2077> still get corruption eventually
[9:03] <Arch-iMac> three14: same thing....its either a ps issue or my pi isnt good enuf to be over clocked
[9:03] <Arch-iMac> i used vi this time as well
[9:04] <megatog615> gpu_freq doesn't void warranty right?
[9:04] <megatog615> only overvolting?
[9:05] <tech2077> i'm at 900 and 430 no problem IIRC
[9:05] <nacimmep> i bet the gpu blob logs that stuff
[9:05] <three14> Arch-iMac, i have no clue why it's not working for you
[9:05] <three14> try 800
[9:06] <Arch-iMac> three14: ok
[9:06] <Arch-iMac> three14: yeah i donno why it doesnt work for me either
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[9:12] <three14> megatog615, sorry, yes, only overvolting will void warranty according to the eLinux.org site "Warranty will be voided if overvoltage is used."
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[9:14] <mpthompson> magn3ts, a little while ago you had some questions on the Raspbian kernel. Currently, we are using the same kernel that Debian squeeze uses on the Raspberry Pi. However, it is not a "Debian" kernel, but rather one hand rolled by the folks at the RPi Foundation.
[9:14] <tech2077> in addition to there being a bit that is permanently set when you over-volt
[9:15] <megatog615> three14: usage paper says not to overclock because it will make it hot
[9:15] <megatog615> and doesnt say anything about voiding warranty
[9:15] <magn3ts> mpthompson: cool and thanks for the reply. Is there a desire to build your own with the hardware floating point enabled?
[9:15] <mpthompson> magn3ts, We are currently working on a "Debian"-like kernel for Raspbian, but it is taking a bit of time to create.
[9:15] <megatog615> i just want to know from someone who definitely knows
[9:15] <magn3ts> I see
[9:15] <Arch-iMac> ok 800 seems to work
[9:15] <megatog615> as in, they're from the staff or something
[9:16] <three14> mpthompson, thanks for the reply.
[9:16] <Arch-iMac> BogoMIPS : 795.44
[9:16] <three14> Arch-iMac, now i know it sounds odd, but try 900 now
[9:16] <Arch-iMac> three14: i was using that value when it borked
[9:16] <nacimmep> keep trying till you release the magic smoke hah
[9:16] <mpthompson> The kernel contains no floating point code, so it wouldn't gain any benefit there. It may gain a few percentage is speed from the armv6 instructions though rather than the armv4 instructions.
[9:16] <Arch-iMac> lol
[9:17] <three14> Arch-iMac, the Pi needs romanced.
[9:18] <Arch-iMac> lol apparently
[9:18] <mpthompson> The main reason Raspbina is creating a kernel is to support something closer to the "official" Debian kernel configuration including modules and such. Also, so we can track and fix bugs against a known kernel that we control the release of.
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[9:18] <tech2077> is there any way to reduce the time network setup takes when no ethernet is connected
[9:18] <Arch-iMac> im going to keep adding +10 to that value till it borks
[9:18] <tech2077> it's the longest step in my boot
[9:19] <three14> mpthompson, have you been able to buy equipment, etc that the project needs yet?
[9:19] <mpthompson> With Raspbian, it's been a bit difficult to track problems when we have no idea what specific kernel a person might be using.
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[9:20] <mpthompson> Well, we have enough equipment to have built all the Debian armhf packages -- 18,000+ of them. We're in pretty good shape. I do have three more build systems on order that I hope to get at the end of the month to give us a little more cushion.
[9:20] <nacimmep> maybe change /etc/config/network
[9:21] <three14> mpthompson, well i'll try to donate a little more soon. the hard part is justifying it to the old lady.
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[9:21] <mpthompson> I think one of the bigger problems is the limited availability of Pi's themselves.
[9:21] <tech2077> mpthompson, is xbmc in raspbian now, last i checked the core bin package wasn't available
[9:21] <mpthompson> three14, I know how that goes. My wife was a little skeptical when I ordered all the equipment.
[9:22] <three14> mpthompson, ha. i just try to bring up the shoes she seems to buy every week.
[9:22] <mpthompson> tech2077, no, the Debian xbmc module isn't building in Raspbian. However, we've been told it's not worth building as it has deficiencies.
[9:22] <tech2077> ah
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[9:23] <three14> mpthompson, how about razor-qt. can't seem to find it. it's no rush, though as i use xfce or just go without x most of thge time.
[9:23] <mpthompson> For xbmc, I think there are other distributions that are focusing on it so it hasn't really been a high priority for Raspbian.
[9:23] <tech2077> that makes me a bit sad, i really am not looking foward to building xbmc
[9:23] <megatog615> raspbian = armhf debian for rpi right?
[9:23] <mpthompson> razor-qt? Let me look.
[9:23] <three14> Arch-iMac, any luck with romancing the pi?
[9:24] <mpthompson> Yes, raspbian is armhf -- but for armv6+vfp instead of armv7+vp3+thumb2
[9:25] <Arch-iMac> three14: i had to install hdparm so im romacing it now
[9:25] <Arch-iMac> but i see a huge increase in sd reads
[9:25] <Arch-iMac> went from 4mb/s to 18
[9:25] <megatog615> mpthompson: what kind of speed comparison is there between debian armel and raspbian?
[9:26] <three14> Arch-iMac, about the same here. what about with the overclocking?
[9:26] <mpthompson> three14, I don't see a razor-qt package for Debian. Can you give me a more specific package name?
[9:26] <Arch-iMac> three14: raised to 810...rebooting now
[9:27] <three14> mpthompson, the site ( http://razor-qt.org/ ) doesn't even mention debian at all. I was just curious. I assume I could compile it myself.
[9:27] <mpthompson> megatog615, for non-floating point code, it's only marginally faster because armv6 instructions are used instead of armv4. Maybe a few percentage points, if that. However, for floating point code, it can be 10x to 15x faster depending how dense the floating point instructions are in the application that's being used.
[9:28] <three14> mpthompson, apprently it's not in debian due to a licensing thing, but 0.4.1 fixed that?
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[9:28] <mpthompson> three14, I'll have to save that link. I'm collecting possible guis we want Raspbian to focus on. Anything light weight is great.
[9:29] <megatog615> mpthompson: i pulled the xbmc nightly build from raspbmc and ran it on my debian armel install and it was far too slow to be usable
[9:29] <megatog615> i'm wondering if it's similar for rasbian?
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[9:31] <tech2077> is raspbmc armel or armhf
[9:31] <mpthompson> megatog615, I don't know if the slowness you saw was because of simply very slow non-floating point code, or if xbmc can benefit greatly by hard float. I just don't know enough about xmbc.
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[9:32] <magn3ts> mpthompson: oh since you're here, is it possible that xbmc with the rasp pi patches will appear in raspbian?
[9:33] <Arch-iMac> three14: im up to 830
[9:33] <mpthompson> If it does appear any time soon, the packages would have to be contributed by others in the community. Plugwash and I are still busy just trying to get Debian armhf stable along with kernel and firmware packages that are yet to be done.
[9:34] <nacimmep> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4837
[9:34] <three14> Arch-iMac, just bump it to 900, i know it can take it.
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[9:34] <nacimmep> ill get more motivated when my board arrives for now ill just enjoy my off time
[9:35] <nacimmep> i dont even want to think of a build env yet :P
[9:35] <nacimmep> need to reinstall these machines first
[9:35] <three14> mpthompson, thanks. if you need a tester, pm me on the forums. same monicker.
[9:35] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[9:36] <mpthompson> three14, razor-qt looks very interesting. I've save the link to look at later.
[9:37] <mpthompson> three14, the Ubuntu packages could probably be used to build razor-qt for Raspbian, although Debian packages would make for an easier port.
[9:39] <three14> mpthompson, it's whatever is easier for the project. i'd feel terrible knowing a ton of time was put into razor-qt when other more important things need to be done. :-)
[9:40] <nacimmep> http://log.liminastudio.com/writing/tutorials/tutorial-how-to-use-your-raspberry-pi-like-an-arduino
[9:40] <mpthompson> three14, well, I wouldn't jump on it immediately. It's just nice to know there are other options out there. I'm looking to see if there is already an ARM port of Razor-qt.
[9:42] <three14> mpthompson, http://mihalovic.sk/razor-qt-on-arm-ubuntu-1204
[9:43] <mpthompson> Thanks. I'm saving that link too.
[9:43] <Arch-iMac> three14: while it boots and doesnt go into a kernel debug it freezes at 890
[9:43] <three14> he says it's a tegra 2, which i think is armv7
[9:44] <Arch-iMac> ohh anther reboot throws it into kernel debug
[9:44] <three14> Arch-iMac, that's so odd.
[9:44] <magn3ts> ugh, this image is taking foooor ever to write
[9:44] <three14> Arch-iMac, what's your psu again?
[9:45] <nacimmep> yuk i jsut saw razorqt for the first time bleh smells like windows
[9:45] <nacimmep> kill it with fire
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[9:45] <three14> nacimmep, you could say that about nearly any wm
[9:46] <nacimmep> nah
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[9:46] <nacimmep> just razor and lxde
[9:46] <Arch-iMac> three14: 5v 850mA
[9:46] <three14> I've been testing this LG 5.1V, 700ma charger instead og my 4.9V, 850mA kindle3 charger and no problems.
[9:47] <three14> yet
[9:47] <nacimmep> and thats not a razor logo... thats a pizza cutter
[9:48] <three14> you don't like pizza?
[9:48] <nacimmep> pizza-wheel-qt
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[9:49] <three14> you could design them a new logo
[9:49] <nacimmep> i wont touch that project with a ten foot pole
[9:50] <magn3ts> It shouldn't be taking over a half hour to write 4GB to class 10 card... should it?
[9:50] <three14> who has a ten foot pole just laying around?
[9:51] <nacimmep> plus in my eyes i dont see the pi being practical with a desktop interface
[9:51] <three14> hard to use scratch in cli
[9:51] <magn3ts> 4000MB / 10MB/s
[9:53] <three14> magn3ts, how are you writing the image?
[9:53] <magn3ts> dd if=rpi_pisces_r2.img of=/dev/disk1
[9:53] <magn3ts> via my mac
[9:53] <magn3ts> I should've included progress :(
[9:54] <Arch-iMac> three14: BogoMIPS : 864.25 thats as far as i can romance it before i go into a kernel debug
[9:54] <three14> should probably have a bs=1M in there.
[9:54] <three14> try cat ./whatever.img > /dev/whatever
[9:54] <magn3ts> aw, it was very nearly done when I killed it >_<
[9:54] <three14> Arch-iMac, that's pretty good
[9:55] <nacimmep> patience
[9:55] <Arch-iMac> well thats more than the standard
[9:55] <three14> plus with zgreg's patches, you've probably got a rather fast piece of pi
[9:56] <Arch-iMac> it does seem really fast compared to debian squeeze
[9:57] <three14> i think you could disable incremental updates for apt, or so i've heard. that should speed up apt-get update. don't think i have ever done it before, though
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[10:00] <magn3ts> This SD card is writing at 1/5 the speed advertised >_>
[10:00] <Arch-iMac> magn3ts: yes thats normal
[10:00] * magn3ts is not pleased
[10:00] <magn3ts> I expected better of Sandisk
[10:01] <Arch-iMac> you will get that on all sdhc's
[10:01] <Arch-iMac> i think
[10:01] <Arch-iMac> at least on all of mine i get that unless you make some modifications..even then it will be slower than advertised
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[10:06] <magn3ts> Arch-iMac: modifications, eh?
[10:07] <Arch-iMac> yarp
[10:07] <Arch-iMac> Timing buffered disk reads: 58 MB in 3.10 seconds = 18.70 MB/sec thats about as fast as its going to get at the moment
[10:08] <Arch-iMac> i dont know if lower class sdhc's make a difference or not since all i have is class 10's
[10:09] <Arch-iMac> now to install webmin
[10:09] <nacimmep> 18MB/s aint bad
[10:10] <Arch-iMac> yeah its much better than the 4.25 mb/s i was getting but still not at the rated speed
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[10:10] <mythos> i was happy with 4 mb/s (read). a router does not need that much readperformance
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[10:10] <Arch-iMac> heh true
[10:11] <three14> mine: Timing buffered disk reads: 56 MB in 3.02 seconds = 18.56 MB/sec
[10:11] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8155&p=102064#p102064
[10:11] <three14> seems to vary by about a meg
[10:12] <mythos> with the new kernel from zgreg i get 11 mb/s... which is a quite impressive performance boost
[10:12] <Cheery> once I'll get my pi, I'll try get the github repository package to work on RPi. :)
[10:12] <three14> Cheery, very nice
[10:13] <nacimmep> mine should ship this thur
[10:14] <Arch-iMac> well this is way better then hacking a dockstar
[10:14] <Arch-iMac> however much of a pain that was...it was still fun to f with it
[10:14] <Cheery> three14: the next thing would be to write lispy -plugin into the editor.
[10:15] <nacimmep> i was about to buy a bunch of zipits
[10:15] <magn3ts> So why do they advertise them at 10MB/sec if OS X won't write that fast
[10:15] <Arch-iMac> nacimmep: link?
[10:15] <nacimmep> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipit
[10:16] <nacimmep> http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/zipit_wireless_messenger_2.jpg
[10:16] <Arch-iMac> nacimmep: OOOoooo neat
[10:16] <nacimmep> not really they're slow as crap
[10:16] <Arch-iMac> lol that looks like a speak and spell for kids
[10:16] <nacimmep> but theres a bit of a linux crowd playing with them
[10:17] <three14> i used to bend my old speak n spell
[10:17] <nacimmep> using them like mesh nodes for misc stuff can slap a usb on it
[10:17] <nacimmep> have like a webcam network of them
[10:17] <three14> used to be pretty good at making it say funny things and sounds, just by touching solder joints on the pcb
[10:18] <nacimmep> but its a crap cpu crap ram costs like 20$ per still need to buy dock ports to solder usb cables to and buy sdcards/usb junk you want to enhance it with
[10:19] <nacimmep> in the long run i descided it wasnt worth it before pi it was intrigueing
[10:19] <magn3ts> are they cheaper than pi's?
[10:19] <magn3ts> are they cheaper than pi's?
[10:19] <magn3ts> oops
[10:19] <nacimmep> in bulk you can save a few bucks
[10:20] <nacimmep> but for 1 its like 20$
[10:20] <nacimmep> save your money for an A model
[10:21] <nacimmep> could use it as a thin client to a pi
[10:21] <nacimmep> heh
[10:22] <Arch-iMac> three14: heh soo 870 freezes the pi after a bit
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[10:22] <three14> still looks better than the radica im me
[10:22] <three14> ^ which is probably on sale by now
[10:22] <three14> http://www.amazon.com/Radica-IM-Wireless-Handheld-Device/dp/B000NX1LUM/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1339921194&sr=8-9&keywords=zipit
[10:22] <three14> *shudder*, it's fugly
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[10:23] <three14> OH EM GEE!!!! "Three godmothers, Flora, Fauna and Meriwether are included"
[10:23] <nacimmep> lul pink
[10:23] <three14> that dongle might be of use
[10:25] <three14> http://www.amazon.com/Manley-34727-Rip-Roar-Messanger/dp/B000P446BA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1339921194&sr=8-5&keywords=zipit
[10:25] <three14> had no idea there were so many of these janky messengers
[10:26] <nacimmep> http://www.amazon.com/ZIPIT-All-In-One-Wi-Fi-Messenger-Black/dp/B00115PR2O
[10:27] <nacimmep> http://linux.zipitwireless.com/
[10:27] <three14> that one's not bad
[10:28] <nacimmep> its pretyt funny amazon/ebay people selling them for over 20$ (if you send an email to esolomon@proactivedistribution.com he'll give you one for 20$ and bulk deals)
[10:28] <three14> http://www.amazon.com/Peek-Mobile-E-mail-Device-Aqua/dp/B001FC3AY0/ref=pd_sim_sbs_t_13
[10:28] <three14> http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/3b/d3/5575e03ae7a0bb984a16c110.L.jpg
[10:28] <nacimmep> "We are selling them for 1 - 3 for $18.00, 4 - 8 for $15.00 each, 9 - 16 for $12.50 each and $10.00 each for any quantity above 16. "
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[10:29] <nacimmep> there i found the old email i sent him
[10:30] <megatog615> did somebody say i could get the same performance out of a powered usb hub if i used a dual-usb A cable?
[10:30] <megatog615> (instead of a wall plug)
[10:30] <nacimmep> i'd buy one for 10$ its got enough onboard ram for a small openwrt image
[10:30] <nacimmep> not sure what i'd do with it
[10:30] <megatog615> actually that doesn't make sense for the pi, nevermind
[10:30] <three14> nacimmep, which one?
[10:31] <nacimmep> zipit
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[10:32] <nacimmep> im more into arduinos now
[10:32] <nacimmep> im a bit commited
[10:32] <nacimmep> been charging paypal debt ordering junk of ebay for my uno
[10:33] * three14 looks at the box of arduinos...
[10:33] <three14> yea, i know how you feel
[10:33] <nacimmep> relays/humidity/temp/lcd
[10:33] <nacimmep> servos
[10:33] <three14> i have to admit, i make a lot of impulse buys for the arduino
[10:34] <nacimmep> i need an ftdi and some of those cheaper pro mini's for more permanent applications
[10:35] <three14> adafruit has a nice blue oled 16x2 display, but if you shop around you can find a yellowish orange oled one for quite a bit less.
[10:35] <nacimmep> everything she sells is like double the price you can get on ebay from china
[10:35] <nacimmep> "the source"
[10:35] <three14> that's everyone's source
[10:35] <nacimmep> if you can live with 3-6week delivery times
[10:35] <three14> they have good support and a few of their own products.
[10:36] <three14> you just hit the nail on the head, the delivery times
[10:36] <nacimmep> i dont mind it
[10:36] <three14> i thought i was clever getting some bluetooth dongles for less than $1 each. well, that was over a month ago
[10:36] <nacimmep> heh
[10:37] <nacimmep> i sniped this "herb grinder" for cheap arrived today... its like dollhouse size
[10:37] <megatog615> i would trade a small die size for a bigger soc with wifi and bluetooth built in
[10:37] <megatog615> a model C, if you will :)
[10:38] <megatog615> adafruit stuff seems really expensive
[10:38] <nacimmep> i'd like to automate my fishtank
[10:38] <megatog615> they had their power symbol necklace for $75
[10:38] <megatog615> it pulsates light!
[10:38] <three14> if there's a model C i'd like all the ports to be on one side, proper power, a barrel jack, mounting holes, and a more robust sdcard slot
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[10:39] <nacimmep> she's a sellout if you ask me ;)
[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne2> If there's a model C, everyone is going to want a different thing. I'd rather they revised model b and got rid of the 140mA nonsense.
[10:39] <three14> i'd be happy with a revision of model b
[10:40] <nacimmep> 10$ says she's idling in here logging
[10:40] <three14> but i'm sure the board size would need to be increased
[10:40] <megatog615> yeah, if anything i'd just like more reliable power
[10:40] <megatog615> and being able to use the power connector for connectivity like a phone
[10:40] <three14> and if they increase the board size, add some damned mounting holes so i can affix it to whatever. none of this sandwiching in cases bs
[10:40] <ShiftPlusOne2> Does anyone know why they replaces the 1.1A fuse with 700mA?
[10:41] <three14> ShiftPlusOne2, no, and if you find out, pm me
[10:41] <nacimmep> bridge it with a blob of solder
[10:41] <ShiftPlusOne2> nacimmep, I'd like to know why it's there first.
[10:41] <nacimmep> unmited powah
[10:41] <nacimmep> unlimited
[10:42] <three14> i heard a rumor that the traces can't withstand the power
[10:42] <ShiftPlusOne2> also, why 140mA. I've gone through the datasheets and the schematics and can't figure out why those particular low current limits are there.
[10:42] <megatog615> three14: scotty, we need more power!
[10:42] <nacimmep> im a doctor not an electrical engineer
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[10:42] <three14> i'm giving it all she's got, captain
[10:43] <mythos> maybe the next pi revision will fix this limit
[10:43] <three14> well, i don't see this cirrent configuration working in schools unless the foundation cherry picks all acceptable hardware for it. e.g hub, dongles, kb, mice, etc
[10:43] <three14> current*
[10:44] <three14> the idea was to use what people/schools had laying around
[10:44] <Arch-iMac> yeah..they need to get on it so we can complain about C and wish for D
[10:44] <three14> well, i had to buy stuff because what i had laying around wasn't good enough
[10:44] <Arch-iMac> three14: heh same here
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[10:46] <megatog615> lol speaking of which i just went out and got a powered hub
[10:46] <mythos> the 140 mA limit is a quite serious one.
[10:46] <nacimmep> should be enough to add fun stuff to the gpio's
[10:48] <nacimmep> that might be the first thing i do when mine arrives
[10:49] <nacimmep> put an led on each gpio and write a script to make them blink in crazy startrek order
[10:49] <nacimmep> maybe relate it to cpu load
[10:51] <nacimmep> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE8Tc1cvSYM
[10:52] <Arch-iMac> hurray, webmin is running on raspbian
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[10:53] <ShiftPlusOne> also, why 140mA. I've gone through the datasheets and the schematics and can't figure out why those particular low current limits are there.
[10:53] <ShiftPlusOne> I have a few theories (in the order of likelyhood). 1) The traces can't handle the power. 2) They want to be able to say that all you need is a 700mA supply. 3) Higher power causes EM emissions which mean they can't get FCC/CE markings
[10:53] <ShiftPlusOne> It would be nice to get an official answer though.
[10:53] <nacimmep> firehazard?
[10:53] <three14> i don't know why they included composite out, either. go boot the pi on a 19" crt television, startx and tell me how easy Scratch is to use.
[10:54] <three14> they could have simply given the option to use composite out via pin headers.
[10:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Meh, that's a matter of personal preference, and you can't please everyone.
[10:55] <three14> with the room they'd save they could have possibly added better power provisioning
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[10:56] * neofutur is _very_ happy he can use composite output
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[10:56] <three14> it's nice to have, don't get me wrong, but a pin header would have sufficed.
[10:56] <neofutur> not everyone have a HDMI display yet
[10:56] <three14> neofutur, exactly!
[10:56] <neofutur> I bought the pi with the RCA cables, and could use it when I received it
[10:56] <mythos> i bought a hdmi2dvi adapter
[10:57] <three14> but it's not really about people like us. we'll hack up usb cables, remove components, bridge polyfuses, etc, etc. but will a school?
[10:57] <ShiftPlusOne> mythos, how much are those?
[10:58] <Arch-iMac> three14: damnit..it dumped me into kernel debug
[10:58] <three14> Arch-iMac, what did you do?!
[10:58] <mythos> ShiftPlusOne, how much it cost?
[10:58] <ShiftPlusOne> mythos, yeah
[10:58] <Arch-iMac> three14: changed the arm_freq to 860
[10:59] <Arch-iMac> i installed webmin but that couldnt have caused it
[10:59] <mythos> ShiftPlusOne, 6 euros
[11:00] <three14> i know adding more stuff and replacing other things on the pi would increase the overall cost of the board. the solution is to charge schools $25/35, and charge everyone else $70
[11:00] <three14> half the cost you or i would pay would go toward buying one for the school
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[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> mythos, O_o and that works for pi?
[11:01] <mythos> ShaneHudson, why it shouldn't?
[11:01] <mythos> sorry, ShiftPlusOne
[11:02] <nacimmep> im taxed enough for schools :P
[11:02] <three14> nacimmep, who says you couldn't get a student discount ;-)
[11:02] <ShiftPlusOne> mythos, because pi outputs digital signal only and it sounds like that adapter doesn't convert it to analog, which you'd need (depending on your monitor). But I am not sure.
[11:02] <mythos> ShiftPlusOne, or do you mean, that it is too expensive? maybe
[11:03] <nacimmep> school never helped me why should i help them
[11:03] <mythos> ShiftPlusOne, hdmi is compatible to dvi...
[11:03] <three14> mythos, dvi-D
[11:03] <mythos> three14, right
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[11:03] <nacimmep> dont get me on a rant on school politics and corruption
[11:04] <ShiftPlusOne> so yeah, it depends on what your monitor supports.. if it takes digital through dvi, then that's good.
[11:04] <mythos> a passive adapter is not able to serve a vga-monitor
[11:04] <Arch-iMac> man im sure glad i got this 22$ raspberry case with all this romancing im doin to it
[11:04] <three14> vga monitor compatiblity would have been nice. lol. got 7 in the basement not in use.
[11:05] <three14> Arch-iMac, there is such a thing as too much romancing
[11:05] <three14> your sdcard probably has carpet burns by now
[11:05] <nacimmep> i think there are hdmi>vga but iirc max res of like 1024
[11:05] <Arch-iMac> three14: LOL
[11:05] <three14> nacimmep, still better than ntsc/pal
[11:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I still had a vga monitor, so pi finally nudged me to buy the hdmi monitor >.>
[11:06] <nacimmep> im on 1024 now and i'd rather be pal atleast the shortcoming are in your face
[11:07] <three14> they certainly are, xrays and ghosting included.
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[11:07] <nacimmep> was messing with an rtl grc somone made, doesnt fit my screen
[11:08] <mjr> nacimmep, sure there are converters, but having to be active, they're also expensive
[11:08] <Arch-iMac> ewwwwww tube monitors
[11:08] * Arch-iMac shudders
[11:08] <three14> mjr, yes they are
[11:08] <three14> :'(
[11:10] <three14> crt monitors keep you warm in the winter
[11:10] <Arch-iMac> lol
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[11:17] <megatog615> holy crap the gpio headers are sensitive
[11:17] <megatog615> i can trigger errors on the console if i touch them with my finger
[11:17] <three14> if you find a proper way to reset the Pi via GPIO, let me know
[11:17] <three14> the alpha boards had a reset button
[11:19] <three14> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/DSCF1808.jpg
[11:19] <three14> dat barrel jack <3
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[11:20] <Arch-iMac> you mean for the power?
[11:20] <three14> yes
[11:20] <three14> i hate the micro usb
[11:20] <megatog615> lol
[11:21] <Arch-iMac> hmmm that certinatly would be better for definitive volts
[11:21] <haltdef> get a pandaboard, they have a barrel jack
[11:21] <mythos> i have one
[11:21] <mythos> but the pi is more fun ;)
[11:21] <Arch-iMac> heh
[11:21] <haltdef> mine's gathering dust in a drawer
[11:21] <haltdef> need to think of a use for it
[11:22] <three14> so does the beaglebone
[11:22] <Arch-iMac> i was looking at that
[11:23] <three14> i might still buy one
[11:24] <haltdef> <+three14> crt monitors keep you warm in the winter <- so does my u2711
[11:25] <haltdef> can feel the heat coming off the front, the top heat is even more intense :P
[11:27] <three14> the beaglebone wouldn't be so bad if the capes weren't so expensive.
[11:27] <three14> dvi-d cape is $50 usd
[11:28] <Arch-iMac> wow that pico projector is kewl
[11:28] <Arch-iMac> and...expensive
[11:29] <Arch-iMac> lol
[11:29] <Arch-iMac> 350
[11:29] <three14> the 7" lcd cap is $150
[11:29] <three14> http://www.mouser.com/beaglebonecapes/
[11:29] <Tachyon`> oh and those nasty high density IDC connectors I can never find anything to fit
[11:30] <Tachyon`> I'm guessing those became the dsi display and camera ports
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[11:31] <three14> oh, the beaglebone comes with a 4gb microsd, the justifies the cost.....slightly
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[11:37] <Arch-iMac> man...the cost for a beagleboard-xm and case is almost the same as buying a microxt
[11:38] <three14> yea, saw the xm and price. said nope
[11:39] <megatog615> anyone know why the logitech k400 keyboard has stuck keys issues with the pi?
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[11:39] <Arch-iMac> you can get a netbook if you spent 40$ more
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[11:40] <Arch-iMac> megatog615: mine does that to....not enuf power
[11:40] <Holden> megatog615, http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Keyboards
[11:40] <Holden> oh sorry, you asked why
[11:40] <three14> Arch-iMac, but no gpio on a netbook
[11:40] <megatog615> Holden: iirc it's on the verified working list
[11:40] <megatog615> Arch-iMac: it's hooked to a powered hub
[11:40] <Simon-> 10:15:59 <+three14> if you find a proper way to reset the Pi via GPIO, let me know <-- couldn't you just do that in software?
[11:40] <Holden> yes, but if it doesn't work maybe someone should edit the wiki :|
[11:41] <three14> alright, i have to sleep. late folks.
[11:41] <megatog615> it exhibits the same issue when plugged directly into the pi and in the hub
[11:41] <Arch-iMac> megatog615: yep mine is doing the exact same thing
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[11:41] <Arch-iMac> megatog615: i gave up and hooked directly to the usb on the pi
[11:41] <neofutur> megatog615: perhaps you need to type loadkeys something
[11:41] <Arch-iMac> you have an approved hub im assuming?
[11:42] <megatog615> not sure
[11:42] <megatog615> there aren't any of the approved ones around where i live
[11:42] <megatog615> also, there's like 4, lol
[11:42] <megatog615> belkin f4u020
[11:46] <magn3ts> What's the latest method of getting omxplayer for raspbian?
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[11:53] <megatog615> Arch-iMac: it does the same thing if i connect directly to the pi
[11:54] <Arch-iMac> megatog615: really.....hmmm using debian squeeze by chance?
[11:54] <megatog615> yes
[11:54] <megatog615> at the moment i'm attempting a dangerous conversion straight to raspbian
[11:54] <Arch-iMac> miight be that distro's issue
[11:55] <Arch-iMac> im running raspbian and i dont have that issue but then again im sshing into it more than using the physical kb
[11:59] <megatog615> meh
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[11:59] <megatog615> forget it, i'll just back up my sdcard and dd a raspbian image onto it
[12:00] <megatog615> i should use a second storage medium for edits
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[12:06] <Arch-iMac> megatog615: id suggest doing the raspbian installer method
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[12:08] <ReggieUK> g'morning all
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[12:09] <Arch-iMac> hey there ReggieUK
[12:10] <ReggieUK> hi
[12:12] <Arch-iMac> darn it...now i gotta remember to ask three14_afk for his bashrc script
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[13:25] <megatog615> Arch-iMac: switching to raspbian seems to have made the keyboard issue go away
[13:25] <megatog615> Arch-iMac: thanks for the suggestion
[13:25] <Arch-iMac> nice
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[13:27] <neofutur> megatog615: you were probably just needing to use loadkeys if changing distro fixed the problem . . .
[13:27] <megatog615> neofutur: i meant to change to raspbian at some point anyway
[13:28] <Arch-iMac> loadkeys?
[13:29] <megatog615> it definitely felt like an interference issue
[13:29] <megatog615> but i guess i was wrong
[13:29] <neofutur> loadekeys fr , loadkeys en
[13:30] <neofutur> a command to tell your linux the keyboard you have
[13:30] <Arch-iMac> really? that would cause it to not type and or make keys stick?
[13:30] <neofutur> ls -al /usr/share/keymaps/*/*
[13:30] <megatog615> i think it might have been a driver issue
[13:31] <neofutur> ls -al /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty | wc -l
[13:31] <neofutur> 121
[13:31] <neofutur> there are 121 different types of qwerty keyboards
[13:33] <megatog615> neofutur: the problem didn't occur for the first minute or so that it was connected with the receiver
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[13:44] <Arch-iMac> ok sleepy time for me
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[14:02] <SpeedEvil> There is a powerful argument against overclocking.
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[14:02] <SpeedEvil> Everytime you overclock, god kills a kitten.
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> Per second, per hertz of overclocking.
[14:02] <gulyan_> 
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[14:03] <neofutur> 13:02:04 up 3 days, 4:30, 6 users, load average: 3.57, 2.66, 1.99
[14:04] <neofutur> SpeedEvil: overvolting is bad, overclocking is cool ;)
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[14:06] <SpeedEvil> Overclocking without overvolting can increase current, and increase the risk of electromigration induced failures.
[14:06] <ReggieUK> 3 days of oc'ing and that's what you're basing 'cool' on?
[14:07] <ReggieUK> the only reason people think overclocking is cool on a pi is because it doesn't void your warranty
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> If you'd be more than mildly inconvenienced if your Pi fails - don't. IMO
[14:08] <dunib> if overclocking was cool, they'd have simply set the base clock higher. :/
[14:09] <dunib> the pi is not a piece of hardware that has performance gimped for market discrimination purposes, like other cpus
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[14:13] <NucWin> overvolting is bad.... "but everyone in the office is doing it"
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[14:19] <NucWin> when i get my pi i will be scripting overclocking (with stability test)
[14:20] <NucWin> might have to keep in mind to add feature to undervolt
[14:20] <NucWin> so set the desired speed then it will keep ducking the voltage untill it crashes
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> you can't change voltage without hardware mods
[14:21] <NucWin> thought i was an option in config.txt
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> Maybe I'm mistaken.
[14:22] <NucWin> believe its as an offset with 0.025v steps
[14:22] <ricky26> I was pretty sure there was, because it mentions that it sets a permanent flag in the SoC
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[14:22] <SpeedEvil> seems unlikely
[14:23] <NucWin> at the maker fayer eben said in the office they are all overvolting and overclocking
[14:23] <NucWin> its in one of the videes
[14:23] <zgreg> the SoC includes a voltage regulator for its internals
[14:23] <nidO> you can overvolt via config.txt
[14:24] <zgreg> and yes, you can modify its output
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> Right - I thought it was run off the 1.8V rail.
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[14:24] <SpeedEvil> On reflection, that's a bit high.
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> What's the voltage?
[14:25] <zgreg> the default cpu voltage is 1.2v
[14:26] <NucWin> haha my i5 runns at that
[14:26] <NucWin> 1.25
[14:26] <NucWin> 1.225*
[14:28] <NucWin> i get 4.1GHz out of that
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[14:29] <mjr> relevancy approaches zero
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[14:30] <NucWin> just setting a target for blowing pi's up lol
[14:31] <NucWin> if you want something more relevent i have a perl module for GPIO that is totally untested but does have some POD etc
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[14:35] <NucWin> i will test it when i get a pi but if anyone wants to try it in the meantime i can upload it to dropbox
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> POD?
[14:35] <NucWin> inline documentation
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[14:38] <NucWin> i willl upload it to forum and maybe cpan once i know it atleast works
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[15:56] <D-side> when your keyboard costs $15+ more than your computer
[15:56] <D-side> you may be making a silly purchase
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[16:05] <pedro> I wrote a small book about the RPI in german language, hopefully its useful. http://bitkistl.blogspot.co.at/2012/06/raspberry-pi.html
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[16:30] <stev> pedro: great. though I can't read german
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[16:31] <Spiffy> Hello everybody :)
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[16:37] <Spiffy> Anyone from Denmark here? :)
[16:37] <dunib> D-side: quit possibly. my keyboard was $400ish, and completely worth it. Don't know what sort of computer you'd get from less than that though. For starters, you'd be sacrificing on the monitor.
[16:37] <mythos> pedro, do you think, this is really necessary?
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[16:39] <ping-> Spiffy: yep :)
[16:39] <Spiffy> :D
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[16:40] <D-side> dunib: i need to know what keyboard is $400
[16:42] <bfdb> D-side: he didn't say USD
[16:43] <trevorman> D-side: those optimus OLED keyboards are > $400 lol
[16:43] <pedro> @mythos: I think it is useful because english documentation can be painful for the german and austrian kids ;-)
[16:44] <dunib> keep in mind, I live in .au and I was getting badly exchange-rate hurt at the time (they're $299US): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinesis_(keyboard)
[16:45] <mythos> pedro, you know a kid who got a raspberry? ;)
[16:45] <pedro> @mythos: not yet
[16:46] <dunib> In my opinion, any keyboard that causes your wrist pain to stop is worth thousands.
[16:49] <tnovelli> it's not the keyboard, it's the programming language and editor that make you type too much and contort your hands :)
[16:49] <bfdb> yeah, you should switch from c to lolcat
[16:49] <bfdb> *lolcode
[16:50] <dunib> Most of what I type is English prose.
[16:53] <D-side> i hate australians today.
[16:54] <D-side> yesterday my pal's wife sends me a pic of a pavlova she made
[16:54] <D-side> none for me.
[16:54] <D-side> so you can all rot
[16:54] <dunib> To be fair, it wouldn't survive the postage.
[16:54] <D-side> no no
[16:54] <D-side> she's here in the US
[16:54] <D-side> there's no excuse.
[16:55] <D-side> fyi for anyone who's using xbmc and had an iphone
[16:56] <D-side> the iphone remote control app is great.
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[16:56] <D-side> i've now just gotta figure out this buffering problem
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[16:57] <tnovelli> Anyone running a non-Linux OS on a raspi?
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[17:06] <IT_Sean> Hey SpeedEvil
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> hey
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[17:10] <deebo> anyone know how the debian dist decides which wm to run? trying to replace lxde but can't figure out the non-standard configs
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[17:12] <mythos> deebo, depends on your display manager. or if you use xinit, you should check xinitrc in /etc/X11 i think
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[17:13] <deebo> yeah figured it out, it just reads ~/.xinitrc, or if thats not available, a default from /etc/X11
[17:13] <gwalters> Anyone running f17 on their pi and gotten sound to work without pulseaudio?
[17:15] <D-side> f17?
[17:15] <D-side> i've got a pile of sd cards and too much free time
[17:15] <D-side> give me something to play with
[17:15] <gwalters> fedora 17
[17:15] <D-side> oh
[17:15] <D-side> nevermind. :D
[17:15] <mythos> fedora and no pulseaudio... lennart won't appreciate this ;)
[17:16] <gwalters> friggin pulseaudio process uses 100% of the cpu, just playing a test wav file
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[17:16] <gwalters> if I remove the alsa pulseaudio plugin, no sound at all :(
[17:17] <mythos> gwalters, you have to change the resample-algo
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[17:17] <gwalters> any suggestions mythos ?
[17:17] <mythos> i use resample-method = src-sinc-fastest
[17:17] <mythos> ffmpeg works also
[17:17] <megaproxy> ok openlec broke again...
[17:18] <mythos> in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
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[17:19] <megaproxy> any good reliable openlec img's around
[17:19] <megaproxy> the ones on the .co.uk site all seem broken
[17:19] <gwalters> ok, src-sinc-fastest is a bit less choppy but still sounds like poo
[17:20] <D-side> openelec?
[17:20] <D-side> or is openlec something different
[17:20] <mythos> gwalters, if you use the soc-autio, you won't get really a good solution
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[17:20] <deebo> ah got xmonad running
[17:21] <deebo> so much lighter than lxde
[17:21] <mythos> *audio
[17:21] <megaproxy> openlec is the media centre
[17:21] <D-side> i'm not trying to split hairs here but that extra e might be important
[17:22] <megaproxy> im dyslexic
[17:22] <megaproxy> read it as openlec
[17:22] <megaproxy> mah bad
[17:22] <D-side> i'm just making sure we're on the same page
[17:22] <D-side> i'm using the DarkELEC fork
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[17:22] <D-side> solely because i read somewhere it might be optimized and blah blah
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[17:22] <D-side> then i needed to rebuild it to add a firmware file to it
[17:22] <hadifarn_> how can I use rpi installer without a keyboard?
[17:23] <megaproxy> i cant compile anything
[17:23] <megaproxy> on windows + i dont know how
[17:23] <Dagger2> OpenELEC is entirely painless to compile, you could just do that
[17:23] <Dagger2> it will take until tomorrow though
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[17:23] <megaproxy> there is one site with the images online
[17:23] <Dagger2> oh, Windows. get a Linux VM
[17:23] <megaproxy> not enough power :(
[17:23] <megaproxy> pc is old and dying
[17:23] <pedro> could some send me please the /etc/apt/sources.list file which us currently used in debian install for the RPI
[17:24] <D-side> Dagger2: yeah
[17:24] <D-side> Dagger2: it keeps crapping out at building acpid from within the build script
[17:24] <D-side> and the damnedest thing is if i hit that source dir and just "make", its no issue
[17:24] <D-side> and re-running the build script catches up and goes
[17:24] <megaproxy> http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/.
[17:24] <D-side> havent spent any time at all investigating
[17:25] <megaproxy> http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[17:25] <Dagger2> weird, it was fine for me
[17:25] <megaproxy> ^pre done images
[17:25] <megaproxy> but they dont seem to work :(((
[17:25] <Dagger2> apart from the bit where I ran out of disk space half way through and had to expand the partition :/
[17:25] <D-side> Dagger2: yeah it's happened each time for me within a debian build environment
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[17:25] <D-side> weird as hell.
[17:25] <D-side> Dagger2: so do you know of a way to remount rw openelec's / partition?
[17:25] <Dagger2> Debian Squeeze here too
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[17:27] <D-side> i reallllly wish i could lock down why i'm getting silly buffering issues within xbmc, when streaming 1080p via wireless
[17:27] <dunib> I've realised why things look like they're in a small box in the middle of my screen; it turns out X11 is running at the weird resolution of 1824x1104.
[17:27] <dunib> how might I go about changing that?
[17:29] <megaproxy> what other things can i try other than openelec?
[17:29] <megaproxy> premade imgs if poss :D
[17:30] <BCMM> D-side: i'd be kinda surprised if it wasn't down to unpredictable bandwidth on the wlan
[17:30] <mythos> dunib, http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Display
[17:30] <D-side> BCMM: i'd be extremely surprised if that was it, i can stream it jsut fine to other devices
[17:30] <D-side> BCMM: i found some forum threads that suggest it may be a 3.whatever kernel issue
[17:31] <D-side> i wish i had bookmarked them
[17:31] <D-side> BCMM: i cant even blame usb for this, since the wired nic is presnted to the device via usb
[17:31] <D-side> and wired is no trouble
[17:31] <BCMM> D-side: a kernel issue? to do with kernel net buffer sizes perhaps? they are configurable
[17:31] <D-side> BCMM: could well be, but
[17:31] <D-side> i can't change those in openelec
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[17:32] <D-side> so i was looking for vm.min_free_kbytes
[17:32] <D-side> no entry in /proc
[17:32] <D-side> try to create it by simply echoing the value to it
[17:32] <D-side> nope
[17:33] <D-side> root /proc/sys/vm # echo "16384" > vm.min_free_kbytes
[17:33] <D-side> -sh: can't create vm.min_free_kbytes: nonexistent directory
[17:33] <Dagger2> # find /proc/sys | grep min_free_kbytes
[17:33] <Dagger2> /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes
[17:33] <gwalters> can also set that using sysctl
[17:34] <Dagger2> or just directly with `sysctl -w vm.min_free_kbytes=16384`
[17:34] <gwalters> or set it in /etc/sysctl and reboot
[17:34] <D-side> Dagger2: oh so i'm basically just an idiot
[17:34] <D-side> Dagger2: thanks
[17:35] <Dagger2> well I was trying to avoid saying as much... :-)
[17:35] <D-side> Dagger2: no that's fine
[17:35] <D-side> when i'm wrong i'm wrong
[17:35] <D-side> thank you
[17:35] <D-side> gwalters: that i *can't* do
[17:35] <D-side> /etc is ro
[17:35] <gwalters> Dagger2: that find could be optimized `find /proc/sys -name "*min_free_kbytes"`
[17:35] <megaproxy> argh
[17:35] <gwalters> D-side: ah, missed that >.<
[17:35] <megaproxy> this is so annoying
[17:35] <megaproxy> openelec
[17:36] <megaproxy> just boots to a black screen
[17:36] <megaproxy> OHNOWAIT
[17:36] <megaproxy> it just came up
[17:36] <megaproxy> REAL slow
[17:36] <trevorman> megaproxy: first boot takes a while
[17:36] <Dagger2> yeah, I can never remember find's syntax, and a trip to the manpage makes it a lot less efficient
[17:36] <D-side> my problem was that i forgot how sysctl works
[17:37] <D-side> and i was searching vm.min
[17:37] <D-side> that's where i failed entirely
[17:37] <gwalters> -iname -name and -type have been super useful for me to memorize
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[17:42] <megaproxy> ok so openlec kinda works.
[17:42] <megaproxy> but how do i get it to see like, media on a server..
[17:42] <megaproxy> or does it have to be local D=
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[17:46] <megaproxy> gah. forgot to boot with the keyboard plugged in.
[17:46] <megaproxy> why cant it pick up me plugging it in :(
[17:47] <D-side> yeah i hate that too
[17:47] <megaproxy> i need to read up more on openelec
[17:47] <megaproxy> so i can add media
[17:47] <megaproxy> i dont want to put it on the pi
[17:48] <megaproxy> i want the pi to look at my server in the garrage.
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[17:55] <trevorman> megaproxy: videos -> files -> add
[17:55] <trevorman> wait. megaproxy, do you know Ooer? lol
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[18:16] <megaproxy> i know the username
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[18:17] <megaproxy> howcome trevorman
[18:18] <trevorman> he was rambling on about needing a tunnel to IRC and your name was briefly mentioned
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[18:19] <megaproxy> oooh
[18:19] <megaproxy> yea i have a few ppl goign through my internets
[18:19] <megaproxy> lol
[18:19] <megaproxy> i forget who
[18:19] <megaproxy> thats probably bad..
[18:19] <pedro> could someone send me please the /etc/apt/sources.list file which is currently used in debian install for the RPI
[18:19] <trevorman> just blame them for anything that happens >.>
[18:20] <politoed> pedro: http://pastie.org/4103644 this is what I've got in my sources.list
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[18:22] <AthomIk> hello
[18:23] <AthomIk> raspberry like no old 4G sd card....
[18:23] <AthomIk> what s cheaper model 4 Go run ?
[18:23] <AthomIk> a lot exist...
[18:24] <trevorman> AthomIk: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[18:24] <megaproxy> awesome
[18:24] <megaproxy> now i just need a ir remote
[18:24] <AthomIk> megaproxy: arduino sensor can work on raspberry ?
[18:24] <megaproxy> then id need a arduino
[18:24] <trevorman> megaproxy: if you find a good one then tell me lol
[18:25] <trevorman> I'm still using a keyboard with mine
[18:25] <megaproxy> is it me
[18:25] <megaproxy> or is it still very slow at responding
[18:25] <trevorman> hm?
[18:25] <AthomIk> pins on raspberry can work like pins on arduino ?
[18:26] <megaproxy> mine is veeery slow
[18:26] <megaproxy> infact i htink it has crashed
[18:26] <trevorman> did you add a share?
[18:26] <megaproxy> yea
[18:26] <megaproxy> sftp..
[18:26] <trevorman> when its scanning then it takes forever and its sloooow
[18:26] <trevorman> uhhh. sftp is probably a bad idea
[18:26] <megaproxy> hm ok
[18:26] <megaproxy> ill set up network share.
[18:26] <trevorman> the extra crypto will make it painfully slow
[18:26] <AthomIk> lol, i try raspbian on qemu, and cannot log, root raspbian .... pfffff
[18:28] <bootc> http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/ updates for my new 3.2.20 kernel
[18:28] <megaproxy> my dads going to love me for this :D
[18:29] <megaproxy> im installing sabnzbd on the server too
[18:29] <megaproxy> and telling my dad to get "groopie" on android
[18:29] <megaproxy> :D
[18:29] <megaproxy> so he can get whatever, whenever. Without me
[18:29] <AthomIk> bootc: work with image ?
[18:29] <AthomIk> debian ?
[18:29] <trevorman> lol nice
[18:30] <bootc> AthomIk: yes works with the official Debian image, the new Wheezy-based beta image and my own Wheezy image
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[18:30] <AthomIk> bootc: give me the link, for this beta image, plz
[18:30] <trevorman> megaproxy: you might be opening a can of worms there though as he'll need to know to only pick MPEG4 or h.264 files...
[18:30] <megaproxy> what audio codecs?
[18:30] <megaproxy> i dont know this stuff myself...
[18:30] <megaproxy> lol
[18:31] <trevorman> not sure tbh
[18:31] <megaproxy> why cant they be like vlc
[18:31] <megaproxy> and play anything
[18:31] <bootc> AthomIk: it's in the forums somewhere
[18:31] <bootc> sorry I don't have any more info without looking for it myself
[18:31] <trevorman> no HW accel for anything but MPEG4 and h.264
[18:31] <AthomIk> why sd card work fine in qemu and not with raspberry..... pffffffffff
[18:32] <trevorman> lack of MPEG2 is slightly annoying. I can't get freeview to work :|
[18:32] <AthomIk> bootc: i have install cross compilator like your site, never see a comple img for raspberry, only kernel
[18:33] <Dysk> Does the chip have hardware support for MPEG2 (that's just not in the RPi binary blob) or not?
[18:33] <Dysk> AthomIk, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8071
[18:34] <trevorman> yeah it does
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[18:34] <trevorman> we don't have the license so it doesn't work
[18:34] <trevorman> don't know whether the actual codec is inside start.elf or whether it'd need to be loaded in as a vll
[18:34] <Dysk> Well, that leaves some potential for it in the future sometime.
[18:34] <AthomIk> Dysk: ok thk
[18:36] <trevorman> Dysk: yeah. the idea of a codec pack you purchase later has been brought up by the RPi foundation but its just an idea at the moment. loads of complications like how to ensure the licensing is adhered to and how to collect the ???
[18:36] <Dysk> Yeah, of course. It's the sort of thing I see becoming more likely as the hardware ages and becomes less commercially relevant/current.
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[18:38] <trevorman> Dysk: might be a while before that happens since the BCM2835 is brand new and it would most probably affect all VideoCore GPUs
[18:39] <trevorman> Dysk: only other devices we know of that have a BCM2835 are the new Roku boxes and even they don't bother to license MPEG2
[18:39] <megaproxy> how are folders shared on ubuntu
[18:39] <megaproxy> like, nfs? or wat
[18:39] <Dysk> megaproxy, you have options
[18:39] <megaproxy> i just right clicked and shared it lol
[18:39] <trevorman> cifs or nfs are your best bets
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[18:40] <megaproxy> so i need to install nfs ayeee
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[18:41] <trevorman> idk. its doing something already so...
[18:41] <trevorman> try cifs?
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[18:43] <megaproxy> i have no idea what im doing
[18:43] <megaproxy> but here i go
[18:44] <megaproxy> got a guide..
[18:44] <megaproxy> lol
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[18:44] <Wolfram74> hi, i have a query about setting up the OS on my SD card
[18:44] <Wolfram74> is now a good time?
[18:45] <trevorman> just ask the question instead of asking to ask. if somebody knows then they'll reply :)
[18:45] <Wolfram74> well, sometimes we're having off topic parties
[18:45] <Wolfram74> don't like interrupting
[18:45] <Wolfram74> anyway
[18:45] <Wolfram74> i installed raspian on my SD card, but it was /too/ bare bones for the level of experience i have
[18:45] <megaproxy> halp
[18:45] * megaproxy is so lost
[18:46] <Wolfram74> so at someones suggestion i got the debian squeeze distro
[18:46] <Wolfram74> and tried following the same instructions for installing the last one, and booted up my pi, but the raspian was still the distro being used
[18:46] <trevorman> megaproxy: wat
[18:46] <megaproxy> cifs
[18:46] <megaproxy> wat do
[18:46] <trevorman> cifs = windows file sharing
[18:47] <Wolfram74> so i'm thinking i did something wrong, how do i clear off a card before installing a new one
[18:47] <megaproxy> my server is ubuntu
[18:47] <megaproxy> D=
[18:47] <trevorman> megaproxy: yeah but its probably got samba installed
[18:47] <trevorman> which does CIFS
[18:47] <megaproxy> any idea how to configure it?
[18:47] <nidO> Wolfram74 if you're doing it from windows there's no need to, just write the new image using win32diskimager
[18:47] <trevorman> just try browsing to it from the rpi
[18:47] <Wolfram74> doing it from terminal on a mac
[18:47] <nidO> equally if you're using nic there's no need to, just dd the image over top of whatever's already on the card
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[18:49] <megaproxy> so files add
[18:49] <megaproxy> then.... sap stream... smb?
[18:49] <megaproxy> wat
[18:50] <trevorman> yeah smb
[18:50] <megaproxy> awww yea
[18:50] <trevorman> smb = server message block = cifs
[18:50] <trevorman> smb is the old name for the protocol
[18:51] <trevorman> it should be a lot faster than trying to access it via sftp
[18:51] <megaproxy> bloody thing keeps crashign haah
[18:51] <megaproxy> it just locks up
[18:51] <trevorman> you trying to scan your library?
[18:51] <megaproxy> yea haha
[18:51] <megaproxy> so lame
[18:51] <trevorman> yeah that always breaks for me
[18:51] <trevorman> I think its XBMC though as it does it on my ATV
[18:52] <trevorman> if you just add the folder but don't do all the extra bits like downloading the images, metadata etc... then its fine
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[18:52] <megaproxy> now lets see if its smoother
[18:52] <trevorman> or just reboot it and get it to rescan. it'll continue where it left off. eventually it'll do them all and you'll find its got confused with other films
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[18:53] <megaproxy> it seems to lock up just pressing the home button..
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[18:54] <trevorman> ?
[18:54] <megaproxy> also how do i remove the sftp share i had.
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[18:54] <megaproxy> right click lolderp
[18:54] <megaproxy> even that locked up for a min ?.?
[18:54] <trevorman> stop scanning the library :P
[18:55] <megaproxy> it should be done now
[18:55] <trevorman> I've found it unstable when you do that
[18:55] <megaproxy> only 1 tv season and 1 movie
[18:55] <trevorman> ah
[18:55] <oldman> Does the debian image on Rpi have a firewall?. I can not ssh into it.
[18:55] <megaproxy> ok its better now the sftp shares gone
[18:56] <megaproxy> aww yea
[18:56] <megaproxy> get the gringo
[18:56] * megaproxy will now be distracted
[18:57] <trevorman> if you've got an idevice or android then you can download a remote for xbmc
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[19:04] <megaproxy> trevorman, really?
[19:04] <megaproxy> linx
[19:04] <trevorman> just search for xbmc on the store and market
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[19:05] <megaproxy> <3
[19:05] <megaproxy> fuck
[19:05] <megaproxy> i just broke a hdd
[19:05] <megaproxy> i htink
[19:06] <Dysk> How?
[19:06] <megaproxy> woah
[19:06] <megaproxy> close call
[19:06] <megaproxy> case is open
[19:06] <megaproxy> keyboard fell off my lap
[19:06] <megaproxy> just knocked the sata cable out :|
[19:06] <megaproxy> all the i/o errors!
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[19:18] <megaproxy> i think my pi broke ?.?
[19:18] <megaproxy> black screen..
[19:18] <Wolfram74> 8O
[19:19] <Wolfram74> query, how would i check which version of pygames is installed on my drive?
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[19:22] <megaproxy> scumbag openelec, get it configured. breaks.
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[19:24] <mythos> megaproxy, you are not the patience-type, aren't you?
[19:24] <megaproxy> not at all
[19:24] <megaproxy> i reimaged it :P
[19:24] <megaproxy> lolol
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[19:35] <megaproxy> i wish it wasnt so slow.
[19:35] <megaproxy> any tips to speed this up?
[19:36] <romprod> overclocked it?
[19:36] <megaproxy> no
[19:36] <romprod> the latest firmware speeds the sd card up by twice the speed
[19:36] <romprod> that's one of the main limiting factors
[19:36] <three14_afk> romprod, megaproxy, a 3x increase here.
[19:36] * three14_afk is now known as three14
[19:36] <megaproxy> wait, how do i do this?
[19:36] <three14> rpi-update
[19:36] <romprod> rpi-update
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[19:37] <romprod> heh
[19:37] <megaproxy> in openelec?
[19:37] <romprod> oh infact
[19:37] <romprod> yeah 3x here
[19:37] <romprod> i had 150MB/sec
[19:37] <three14> can also create config.txt in /boot , then add arm_freq=900 to that for 900MHz
[19:37] <romprod> i couldnt get it to work with raspbmc tho but RC3 is due with the new drivers shortly anyway
[19:38] <three14> test your sdcard speed with something like hdparm -t /dev/mmcblk0
[19:38] <DaQatz> Yours is stable at 900 with no over volt?
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[19:39] <three14> my class 6 8GB sdcard went from 4MB/s to 18-19MB/s, and a jank 2gb class nothing went from 1.5MB/s to 9.8MB/s
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[19:39] <three14> DaQatz, mine, yes
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[19:40] <DaQatz> Nice
[19:40] <drestaes> hello there :)
[19:40] <three14> combined with sdcard patches from zgreg, a bit overclock, it was a significant all-around speed increase on my Pi
[19:42] <drestaes> tree14: can i ask you a question abaout playing video on raspberry pi?
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[19:44] <romprod> Timing cached reads: 230 MB in 2.00 seconds = 114.79 MB/sec
[19:44] <romprod> Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 3.22 seconds = 4.35 MB/sec
[19:44] <romprod> my results from "sudo hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0"
[19:44] <romprod> class 10 kingston 8gb card
[19:45] <romprod> running wheezy
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[19:47] <Wolfram74> i see that pygame 1.9 is still in testing on debian
[19:47] <three14> _rp, you should be getting more than 4MB/s
[19:47] <three14> _rp, at least 18MB/s
[19:49] <_rp> hmmm, i wonder why that is then
[19:49] <_rp> that's from a fresh install of wheezy
[19:50] <three14> _rp, so you haven't rpi-update?
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[19:55] <koaschten> Linus talking about the RPi at around minute 52 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA
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[19:56] <_rp> not on wheezy no
[19:56] <_rp> will do in a sec tho
[19:56] <_rp> on a fresh install of squeeze i was getting around 55MB/sec
[19:56] <mjr> Linus also not keeping it clean in that video ;]
[19:57] <_rp> after the rpi-update it would leap up to 110MB/sec
[19:57] <three14> _rp, ok. let me know if there are any odd errors in dmesg after rpi-update.
[19:57] <_rp> k
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[19:57] <three14> -rp, the -t option is what you'll want to pay attention to, not -T
[19:58] <SpeedEvil> @52:25 (q) - (a) 54:00
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[20:00] <three14> set +b first, ReggieUK. lol
[20:01] <ReggieUK> I thought he'd managed to wander round the ban that's in place
[20:01] <ReggieUK> and until I can talk to the mod who issued the ban, it's staying in place
[20:01] <ReggieUK> we don't ban for much
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> evening chaps, etc.
[20:02] <ReggieUK> swearing (persistent), trolling (persistent), inappropriate content (instant depending on our mood)
[20:02] <ReggieUK> hi gordonDrogon, how's the cakes
[20:03] <three14> ReggieUK, admittedly, i've let a few slip. no fbomgs though, my backspace made sure of that.
[20:03] <three14> fbombs*
[20:03] <ReggieUK> from time to time we appreciate that in the heat of the moment etc. that things might be said
[20:04] <ReggieUK> so we do accept that there might be a slip here and there
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, no cakes today. might kick off some bread tonight though.
[20:04] <ReggieUK> oooh
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> sourdough. overnight rise, bake it in the morning
[20:05] <three14> i'm an old school irc kinda guy. i kick for unsolicited pm (if the person being pm'ed didn't give permission), but it depends on the chan.
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> I'm doing an evening canape thing for thursday - 50 people... and cooking for a party my wifes throwing on saturday.
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> although the saturday thing is demonstrating meal recipies, so not too fancy..
[20:06] <ReggieUK> got to say I wouldnt' kick for unsolicited pm'ing
[20:06] <three14> gordonDrogon, oooh, make some Oreo Balls.
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> three14, what?
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> I know what oreos are.. I think you can even buy them in the UK now..
[20:07] <ReggieUK> I've made up my little breadboard breakout today
[20:07] <ReggieUK> so I can supply power to the pi directly
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, neat!
[20:07] <three14> gordonDrogon, crush up a ton of oreo cookies, mix in cream cheese as a binder, then dip them in melted chocolate. allow to cool, serve chilled.
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> via the GPIO 5V pin?
[20:07] <ReggieUK> yes
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[20:07] <gordonDrogon> three14, sounds ... ok, but it's not sort of the thing I do!
[20:07] <KazW> Does anyone know if all of the first 10k batch have shipped?
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> KazW, no-one can tell for sure, however I do know both RS and Farnell are on to their own batches now...
[20:08] <ReggieUK> KazW, you would hope so, as there are at least 85,000 in the wild as far as I know
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[20:08] <three14> gordonDrogon, they're surprisingly good. but try to limit yourself to 2-3, they're very rich and extremely fattening.
[20:08] <ReggieUK> doesn't feel like it in here to be fair
[20:08] <KazW> ReggieUK: Wow, really?
[20:08] <ReggieUK> apparently so
[20:09] <KazW> Crazy
[20:09] <three14> ReggieUK, i don't think the channel is advertised enough
[20:09] <ReggieUK> there was a post either on the pi website or the forums
[20:09] <ReggieUK> I'm kind of glad it's not
[20:09] <ReggieUK> I hope people discover us after a couple of weeks
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> three14, I try to use local ingridients, fare trade, that sort of stuff...
[20:09] <SpeedEvil> I only use locally sourced banannas.
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, what... from the coop ?
[20:10] <three14> where are you guys living?
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> :)
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> Devon, UK.
[20:10] <ReggieUK> co-op is awful
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> ours is good.
[20:10] <ReggieUK> we've got 2 in the area
[20:10] <ReggieUK> and 1 has been notoriously bad for 30 years
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> only one. it's our only big shop.
[20:11] <ReggieUK> the other is just a store that seems to change hands and always the same staff
[20:11] <ReggieUK> currently a co-op
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> I think I'm lucky where I live.
[20:11] <three14> It's tough in my area of the US. I can get plenty of locally sourced beef, etc. But unless it's the perfect time of the year, it's hard to get anything else. Right now I can get tons of veggies, though,. :-)
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[20:11] <KazW> I've heard that the GPIO pins can be made into a pps device, has anyone actually done this yet?
[20:11] <ReggieUK> good with food - if you like poor quality short date food
[20:11] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: naah - from the cupboard.
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> I have a plethora of good food sources really close.
[20:11] * SpeedEvil mehs.
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> KazW, pps? Pulse per second?
[20:11] <KazW> gordonDrogon: Yes.
[20:11] <SpeedEvil> I order from tesco once a month and use the freezer a lot.
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> KazW, there is one PWM output.
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> KazW, the others can be controlled via software, but the jitter when tryting to do accurate pulses will be high.
[20:12] <KazW> gordonDrogon: Nope, pps is input, usually with micro second accuracy.
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> KazW, input from what? However you're not going to make that work in software.
[20:13] <three14> another problem in the US is free-range laws/labeling. just an fyi, the US free-range label can only be applied to chicken/pultry, and in order to qualify as free range, they just need to be marched, outside, around the slaughterhouse before slaughter.
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> I don't know if interrupts on the GPIO pins are supported.
[20:13] <three14> poultry*
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> In principle, it's quite possible with jitter of well under a millisecond
[20:13] <trevorman> KazW: timing on the RPi is slightly strange so it may not be suitable depending on your application
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> you have an interrupt handler, and a kernel module.
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, yes, they are - but at microsecont timings, it'll be close...
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> Linux is really not the best tool for that sort of timings & speed.
[20:14] <trevorman> an unadjusted clock will start differing from real time quite significantly on the rpi
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[20:14] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: you don't care about that, if it's consistent
[20:15] <trevorman> yeah
[20:15] <KazW> Specifically, I want to hook up a GPS receiver and use it as a stratum 0 time source... It should be possible according to this http://www.frambozenbier.org/index.php/raspi-community-news/4439-george-lu-on-ntp-pps
[20:15] <KazW> but it wasn't actually done
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> oh - just do it on the serial port.
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> far easier.
[20:15] <KazW> gordonDrogon: That's not possible for stratum 0
[20:15] <trevorman> thats not a stratum 0 :P
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> KazW, Really? It didn't seem to stop me doing it.
[20:16] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: you hook it up to the serial handshake lines
[20:16] <KazW> gordonDrogon: A true stratum 0 uses pps in conjunction with serial
[20:16] * gordonDrogon shrugs.
[20:17] <trevorman> the serial data will say yeah time is BLAH and the serial line indicates precisely when that actually occurs
[20:17] <KazW> I guess I'll know soon enough, I have 4 Pis shipping out from newark this week :)
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> Duck excercise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWgbmgIzoT8&feature=player_embedded
[20:19] <ReggieUK> olympic duck
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> I have three Pis here now ...
[20:20] <trevorman> KazW: the rpi would be stratum 1 anyway :P
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[20:21] <trevorman> the gps itself is 0
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> It's clearly stratum 3 and a bit.
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[20:23] <KazW> trevorman: I know, but a local Stratum 0 on my network would be nice, the nearest public stratum 1 server isn't even in my province :P
[20:23] <KazW> *stratum 1
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> is it really that important? Even at s3 it's still accurate.
[20:24] <trevorman> your ISP not have one?
[20:24] <KazW> trevorman: Not that I know of
[20:24] <trevorman> ah sucky. cheap to do and useful. shame they don't
[20:24] <KazW> gordonDrogon: Yes, but where's the fun in that
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> have you checked <country>.pool.ntp.org ?
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[20:24] <KazW> gordonDrogon: Yep.
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[20:25] <KazW> Anyways, time to head out on to the lake, later :)
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> I ran an s1 server for a while, but when they moved the UK radio clock it stopped working for some reason that I never fogured out why, so abandoned it.
[20:26] <trevorman> I just connect to a bunch of stratum 2s from the pool and run a local server. Good enough for me at home :)
[20:26] <trevorman> everything just looks at that server
[20:26] <ReggieUK> I just turn round and look at the radio clock on the wall, that does me just fine
[20:26] <ReggieUK> I love knowing exactly how late I am
[20:26] <trevorman> lol
[20:26] <trevorman> fashionably and very accurately late
[20:26] <ReggieUK> :D
[20:28] <huene> !w
[20:28] <PiBot> huene: in Linz, Upper Austria. Temp 27??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 58%, Later 30??C - 17??C. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> !w
[20:28] <PiBot> SpeedEvil: in Glenrothes, Fife. Temp 285K. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 88%, Later 288K - 280K. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Well, that automated weather station I left running today is still going... wonder how long it will last... it's an arduino with an xrf radio sending data once a minute, pwered by a 300VA UPS...
[20:28] <three14> the microwave's clock is what tells me when it's time to leave for work. it loses a minute every 3mo or so. :-|
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: ~10-15h likely
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> tops
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, I reckoned it might last a week..
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> but I've no idea how innefficient the UPS us.
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: the 'idle' power consumption of the UPS is probably around 20W
[20:29] <three14> Pibot can determine my location and give me weather?
[20:29] <three14> !w
[20:29] <ReggieUK> don't abuse it
[20:29] <three14> :'(
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[20:29] <reider59> Best not to use it
[20:30] <trevorman> going with the low tech theme, I just look out the window for weather >.>
[20:30] <ReggieUK> it's fine if people use it but when it becomes a pageful of weather spam it gets tedious
[20:30] <huene> three14: it doesn't determine your location, you have to set it.
[20:30] <ReggieUK> I'm off out bbl
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> http://slapton.fsc.drogon.net/
[20:30] <trevorman> the forecast is easy for the UK at the moment anyway "its raining or will rain soon"
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> that's the front-end for the arduino..
[20:31] <NucWin> no raining here atm
[20:31] <NucWin> not stoped for a few days
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[20:31] <three14> oh, well, no matter then. at least 5 things around me, not including the window, can tell me the weather.
[20:31] <trevorman> its ominously dark here
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/hour_by_hour.html :/
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> original plan was to use a Pi to collect the data and send it to a remote website, but the place provided an old laptop instead.
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> in the kingdom of fife...
[20:32] <reider59> Even if you use it to test a proper town once and for the very first time, whereas others are putting in false towns you get accused of abusing it. Best not to use it
[20:32] <three14> yikes, had to squint. read that as 'kingdom of fire'
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[20:32] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Also. Lumens isn't spelled like that.
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> I have a solar panel here - probably going to use it to charge a 6V SLA, then feed that into the Arduino.
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, not my code - and it's not at all accurate either - its just guessing.
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> And lumens isn't a sane measure of light intensity, unless it's emitted light
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> I did all the arduino stuff.
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> you/they may mean lux
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what I mean - I just stuck an LDR into a spare analogue port..
[20:33] <reider59> I watched a video on using the arduino earlier, was dead cool
[20:33] <NucWin> oooh could make a mini pi powered weather station that would be better than the supercomputer metoffice have
[20:33] <Wolfram74> the units of measure for light have been nebulous for me for a long time
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> Wolfram74: It's a mess.
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> Wolfram74: When you go from watts to human units, and then a pile of mess when you need to consider colour.
[20:34] <Wolfram74> same goes for radiation, becqurels and sieverts and REM and shenanigans
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> reider59, I've done tonned of stuff on Arduinos at ATmegas. all good fun!
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws.jpg
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> that's the arduino with the sensors on, but not the external sensors connected up.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> I used sugru for the first time to secure the sockets for the external sensors..
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[20:36] <reider59> It was about the built in LED and testing it. then went on about connecting your own LED, using buttons. Then moved on to different sensors, how to set them up and use them, a little light programming etc
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> yea, the new ones use "pin 13" to hook-up the on-board LED.
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> Getting the first "blink" program going is always good!
[20:37] <reider59> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&list=PL6CB60CB5551FFF8F&v=fCxzA9_kg6s
[20:37] <reider59> Jeremy Blum he`s callled
[20:37] <reider59> *called
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[20:40] <_rp> three14
[20:40] <_rp> Timing cached reads: 294 MB in 2.01 seconds = 146.57 MB/sec
[20:40] <_rp> Timing buffered disk reads: 56 MB in 3.03 seconds = 18.48 MB/sec
[20:40] <_rp> after rpi-update
[20:41] <three14> _rp, looks good :-)
[20:42] <nacimmep> i just hooked up an arduino servo activated pressure spray bottle to my hermit crabitat (i'd prefer an ultrasonic fogger)
[20:43] <three14> damn! Linus Torvalds dropped the f-bomb and gave the finger to nVidia!
[20:43] <nacimmep> waiting for my humidity sensor so i can put some logic to it
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[20:43] <Helldesk> "I like offending people because I think people who get offended _should_ be offended"
[20:44] <Helldesk> he said at the end, and I can't help agreeing 100% :)
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[20:44] <three14> Helldesk, oh, i agree, but it was just so sudden. lol
[20:45] <Helldesk> a nice personal touch
[20:45] <Helldesk> I have no beef with any chipmaker but I think I have an idea what the point is
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[20:50] <_rp> now if i knew how to install xbmc
[20:50] <_rp> and have it auto startup on boot
[20:51] <_rp> that'd be even better
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[20:52] <nacimmep> boot scripts
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> Hm. oomlout are now in the UK.
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[20:52] <gordonDrogon> http://www.oomlout.co.uk/
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[20:52] <gordonDrogon> more choice for arduino stuff.
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[20:59] <reider59> Thanks, I`ve saved that link. Looks a useful one
[20:59] <nacimmep> _rp: maybe look at http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi#Installing_XBMC
[21:01] <_rp> ta
[21:01] <_rp> i've tried raspbmc
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> reider59, I use skpang and coolcomponents mostly.
[21:02] <_rp> but I have a few problems witgh it so thought about installing it ontop of a debian image
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> but choice is good!
[21:02] <three14> well, that aalto talk with linus was long. now i need to stretch.
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[21:03] <reider59> I might get the Arduino R3 from Maplins. It's a same day purchase and pretty reasonable at ??24.99. If I got one on the net and added postage then waited their would be no saving really.
[21:04] <reider59> Arduino Uno R3
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> get a breadboard and some bits & pieces if you've not already go them.
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[21:06] <reider59> Yes, I need a few more bits. got the breadboard with the RPi kit I bought but I`ve been fooling with a rechargable battery, LEDs etc and it would be better to get another breadboard for that. I need to get a selection of resistors and some jumper wires.
[21:06] <reider59> some more LEDs too and maybe more switches, got two for now.
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[21:08] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws1.jpg and http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws2.jpg
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> Need to replace that UPS with a small SLA and solar panel.
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[21:17] <tuxx> hm has anyone successfully booted into a uboot?
[21:20] <RaYmAn> tuxx: someone seems to have: http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=122
[21:21] <mythos> zgreg, only let you know - i got some of these messages: mmc0: waited 86340 us for SD card
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[21:22] <oldman> Do I need to install ssh server in order to ssh in from another machine on my lan? I am using the debian image.
[21:22] <tuxx> RaYmAn: well yea i know its possible but its not booting for me atm
[21:23] <mythos> oldman, 'apt-get install ssh' should be all you need
[21:23] <oldman> mythos: Ok so no ssh is installed initially?
[21:23] <_rp> apt-get install openssh-server
[21:24] <three14> oldman, it should be, and to enable it on boot you should only need to rename boot_enable_ssh.rc to boot.rc in /boot
[21:24] <mythos> oldman, i don't know. but that command would install it, if it isn't preinstalled
[21:26] <oldman> three14: Where are these files located /etc/ssh?
[21:27] <three14> boot_enable_ssh.rc? it's in /boot
[21:27] <three14> sudo mv /boot/boot_enable_ssh.rc /boot/boot.rc
[21:27] <three14> then sudo reboot
[21:27] <oldman> three14: Now I understand thanks.
[21:27] <three14> should start on boot
[21:28] <oldman> three14:mythos etc Thanks very much.
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[21:29] <three14> i guess it works
[21:29] <three14> lol
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[22:01] <three14> alright, after and exhilaration romp with a black bear and trying to catch the dog, i'm beat.
[22:01] <NucWin> where are the rpi boot files on the internet?
[22:01] <NucWin> can only find the ones in disributions
[22:02] <NucWin> guessing there is some more upstream somewhere
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[22:03] <Holden> NucWin, https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware , boot folder
[22:03] <NucWin> thanks didnt think of looking there lol
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[23:06] <ballisticpain> Anyone having issues with Raspbian and Restart/Logoff?
[23:06] <ballisticpain> It has different behavior at different times.
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[23:08] <guimg> Ask me about my cum vase. It is a vase filled to the brim with premium ejaculate. I keep it in my closet.
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[23:18] <reider59> guimg: there are kids in here, take it some place else
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[23:22] <gordonDrogon> Woo hoo... I now have a speed controlled fan connected to my Pi.
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[23:22] <gordonDrogon> The overclockers/fanners/heatsinkers were right all along!
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> All it took was an ATmega, some PWM code to speed control the fan (made of Lego) and an LM35 temp. sensor to check the chip temperature.
[23:23] * gordonDrogon gibbers insanely.
[23:23] <trevorman> a lego fan?
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> Yes, I'm a fan of Lego.
[23:23] <NucWin> \o/
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> and I made a fan of Lego too :)
[23:23] <trevorman> wouldn't have thought a fan made out of lego would give you much airflow...
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> it's somewhat challenging, but ...
[23:24] <trevorman> not unless it was really huge. can't really have sculpted blades with lego on a small sacel
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:24] <trevorman> scale
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[23:25] <ballisticpain> Has anyone had any success getting another application to start once logged in and startx has run?
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> it's really a joke - to poke fun at the people who're putting heatsinks and fans on their Pis ...
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> I'm going to try to make a video of it ..
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> but tomorow.
[23:25] <ballisticpain> I've written a small python script that displays an environment variable called CURRENT_IP
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> ballisticpain, yes is the simple answer.
[23:26] <ballisticpain> However, I can't get it to start after startx
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[23:26] <ballisticpain> gordonDrogon: Care to share how you were able to do it?
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> maybe you need to open a terminal and type the command that starts it?
[23:26] <ballisticpain> I know exactly how to start my application.
[23:26] <ballisticpain> I wrote it.
[23:26] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: nah. you need to make it more complex. get some NXT motors!
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[23:27] <trevorman> NXT + motor thats talked to via bluetooth obv
[23:27] <ballisticpain> I just don't know how to make it autostart when the raspberry pi is finished with startx.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, this is a 9V geared motor.
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> ballisticpain, put it inside the .xinitrc file.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, seems to work well with the PWM out of the GPIO though.
[23:29] <ballisticpain> Tried that..
[23:29] <ballisticpain> Followed with an &
[23:29] <ballisticpain> It would actually fail to startx when I placed it in there.
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> .xsession ?
[23:29] <ballisticpain> It's a GUI app...
[23:29] <ballisticpain> I didn't try in there...
[23:29] <ballisticpain> Same syntax (& at the end?)
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> that's all I can think of. don't really care for python. good luck.
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[23:30] <ballisticpain> gordonDrogon: Fair enough. I appreciate you attempting to help. The code runs fine so not related to Python...
[23:30] <ballisticpain> But I used to not like python...
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> I have no need for it.
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> but .xsession is executed by your shell, so if you want stuff to run and other things to run in it then use &
[23:32] <ballisticpain> Thanks!
[23:32] <ballisticpain> Attempting it now.
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[23:35] <ballisticpain> gordonDrogon: for whatever reason it worked well in my .xsession... thanks
[23:35] <ballisticpain> Now I can't exit haha
[23:36] <ballisticpain> I didn't put an & on the end so nothing else started.
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> Ctrl-Alt F1
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> to get back to a text screen.
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[23:37] <wizkid057> is there a precompiled 3.1.9+ kernel with iptables?
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[23:38] <ballisticpain> If I'm on tty1 I should CTRL-ALT F2?
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> ballisticpain, it doesn't matter, once in text mode you can swithc.
[23:38] <ballisticpain> Gotcha...
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> with just alt+f1, alt+f2, etc.
[23:38] <ballisticpain> Neither of those keyboard shortcuts are working :-/
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[23:39] <ballisticpain> Trying CTRL+C as well.
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> looks like you might have to ssh into it from elsewhere - or can't you close your app?
[23:39] <ballisticpain> I can't close my app...
[23:39] <ballisticpain> I can't change to another tty either :(
[23:39] <ballisticpain> which means i also can't boot in.
[23:40] <ballisticpain> I can try ssh.
[23:40] <ballisticpain> :)
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> pull the plug then :)
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> Just tried it on a Pi running xfce4 and Ctrl+Alt+F1 works fine - maybe it needs the window manager fully started first ...
[23:43] <blarson__> Got my pi, got image downloaded, now just need to put it on an sd and hook things up. *&#$ isp that only supports windows and mac preventing me from using internet where i'm living now.
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[23:44] <blarson__> (once I reinitialize the card, linux works fine)
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> what 3rd world country do you live in?
[23:44] <blarson__> USA
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> and the ISP only allows Win PCs to connect?
[23:45] <blarson__> 3g internet stick. no wired in the campground i'm hosting.
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Get a MiFi..
[23:46] <blarson__> it worked fine for over a year, then went haywire and needs reinitialized. only system I had windows on died.
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> ok
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> ah well. zed time here.
[23:48] <blarson__> i'm in a library 40 miles away to get wifi.
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