#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-18

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[0:04] <reider59> sorry, was on phone, so just a little backtracking here. Imagine getting a RasPi set up in front of a wind tunnel (not switche don of course, nor the wind tunnel lol) . Then sending a pic in to say cooling is now sorted!
[0:04] <zgreg> mythos: ok, that's fine. that is some debugging code I put into the kernel to see how slow some SD cards react. looks like your card takes almost 90ms in some cases
[0:05] <TuxBlackEdo> reider59, HYUK HYUK HYUK
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[0:05] <zgreg> mythos: earlier, the maximum timeout for these cases was 100ms (so quite close to what you see), and I raised it to 150ms just to be sure, if a card is really slow
[0:05] <mythos> zgreg, yeah... samsung is labeled on it... so it's not a surprise
[0:06] <mythos> zgreg, i read that (in the forum i think) =)
[0:06] <zgreg> hmm, I have two samsung SD cards and they're fast
[0:06] <zgreg> usually less than 1ms delay
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[0:07] <mythos> zgreg, it appeared as i did network performance test with iperf
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[0:15] <zgreg> mythos: that's probably a coincidence, it usually appears with long writes
[0:16] <mythos> zgreg, the only thing my raspi is doing, is serving a pulseaudio for me
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[0:17] <mythos> zgreg, so there should be as good as never a long write to the sdcard
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[0:19] <mythos> and with "long write" i hope you mean a big file ;)
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[0:21] <mythos> zgreg, btw i can hear it, if the sdcard is accessed
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[0:21] <mythos> only a side note
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[0:35] <zgreg> mythos: yes, I mean a lond sequential write
[0:35] <zgreg> *long
[0:35] <mythos> yeah, that was definitely not the case ;)
[0:36] <zgreg> however, depending on the SD card, this might happen under various circumstances
[0:36] <mythos> i guess so too
[0:37] <zgreg> it's actually pretty ugly. the SDHCI does busy-waiting (!) until the card becomes available again
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[0:38] <zgreg> and if you have a bad card, the kernel might end up freezing the entire system for as long as 150ms
[0:38] <mythos> if it is the only way to get a reliable behaviour, it can't be helped, i guess
[0:38] <zgreg> I'm currently experimenting with some changes to get rid of the busy-waiting
[0:38] <mythos> oh
[0:39] <mythos> that would explain why i can here it
[0:39] <mythos> *hear
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[0:39] <zgreg> hmm... are you interested in testing the changes?
[0:39] <mythos> sure
[0:40] <zgreg> can you compile the kernel yourself?
[0:40] <mythos> of course =)
[0:40] <mythos> in fact i maintain a linux myself...
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[0:41] <mythos> so... do i have to get the source from your git?
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[0:43] <zgreg> mythos: it's not in the git repo yet
[0:43] <mythos> patches are fine too
[0:43] <zgreg> I think that's better because this is so experimental :)
[0:44] <mythos> you can open an experimental branch... but i guess you know that already ;)
[0:44] <zgreg> of course
[0:45] <mythos> of course you do... i love your work btw...
[0:45] <mythos> libass was a lifesaver =)
[0:46] <zgreg> lifesaver?
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[0:46] <zgreg> ok, I've pushed this this no a branch named sdhci-nobusywait
[0:46] <mythos> as i switched to linux it really was
[0:46] <zgreg> s/no/to/
[0:47] <mythos> have you a link to your repo?
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[0:47] <mythos> *do
[0:47] <zgreg> https://github.com/grigorig/rpi-linux/tree/sdhci-nobusywait
[0:48] <friggle> zgreg: do you have any stress tests to check for corruption/problems?
[0:48] <zgreg> I use the auto-cmd12 feature of the controller to automatically stop transfers, instead of busy-waiting until the card is ready
[0:49] <zgreg> friggle: no, I didn't do any heavy stress tests yet.
[0:50] <zgreg> anyway, I'll be AFK now, but please report if those patches change anything for the better for you, mythos
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[0:50] <mythos> zgreg, i will
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[0:51] <mythos> zgreg, but it is after midnight here... so i have to go to sleep now
[0:51] <Hopsy> hey can I ask something, what does concat mean?
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[0:52] <Hopsy> where does it stand for?
[0:52] <plugwash> IIRC it's short for concatenate
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[0:53] <Hopsy> huh?
[0:53] <bob_binz> to join together
[0:53] <bob_binz> if you concatenate "See" and "Saw" you get "SeeSaw"
[0:53] <neofutur> emerge -e world finished
[0:53] <neofutur> 4 days of uninterrupted high load between 2 and 6
[0:53] <neofutur> perfectly stable at init_emmc_clock=50000000 arm_freq=930 gpu_freq=350 sdram_freq=500
[0:53] <neofutur> ;)
[0:54] <plugwash> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/concatenate
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[0:57] <friggle> neofutur: core_freq would be worth doing
[0:57] <friggle> neofutur: but you would have to turn gpu_freq down to 250
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[1:02] <neofutur> friggle: would not be a problem i m not really using the gpu
[1:02] <neofutur> ( until i can use it to mine bitcoins :p )
[1:02] <neofutur> but
[1:02] <neofutur> friggle: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Tested_values
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[1:03] <neofutur> changing this core freq means overvolting ?
[1:03] <friggle> neofutur: I haven't played, possibly it is needed. The gains should be worthwhile. Reduced L2 latency
[1:03] <neofutur> gotta say i m pretty happy ewith those settings, good performance upgrade and very stable . . . not sure i want to try to go higher
[1:04] <neofutur> and i prefer not even trying to overvolt
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[1:06] <oddy> Hiya, is there a way I can run the squeeze I have on my SD card in a virtual machine on another computer? I want to do some stuff in aptitude then won't need network again, but can't get ethernet anywhere near why my pi and screen can fit.
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[1:08] <reider59> http://sourceforge.net/projects/rpiqemuwindows/
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[1:08] <reider59> try thaT link
[1:08] <oddy_> sorry, was that for me
[1:08] <oddy_> ?
[1:08] <oddy_> my internet connection blipped out
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[1:08] <reider59> Hopefully, if it does whaty you want
[1:08] <reider59> *what
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[1:09] <reider59> It`s easy to set up and install too
[1:10] <oddy> reider59: is it me you're talking to? i acidentally disconnected and missed a chunk of your conversation
[1:10] <reider59> okies, did you get the link?
[1:10] <oddy> nope :(
[1:10] <reider59> http://sourceforge.net/projects/rpiqemuwindows/
[1:10] <reider59> Try that, it's easy to set up and use
[1:11] <oddy> sweet! i'll give that a go!
[1:11] <oddy> thank you so much, i guess i was googling the wrong things
[1:12] <reider59> It`s OK, you just hit lucky. I had it in my archive a fair while but needed to use it today. I have a robotic arm that even with 64 bit drivers will not run on my 64 bit lappy. so I` aim to use that and had another look at it today.
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[2:16] <SSilver2k2> lo all
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[2:16] <IT_Sean> o/
[2:17] <supaplex> <greetings/>
[2:17] <D-side> \o
[2:17] <D-side> no one should be left hanging
[2:17] <SSilver2k2> now that advancemame is compiled, that thread abotu gneogeo has me intriqued to try that
[2:17] <SSilver2k2> compiling it now :-D
[2:18] <SSilver2k2> i must say, im loving this little community we have. been getting tons of emails and collaboration requests
[2:20] <D-side> its hard not to be happily excited about a project like this
[2:23] <supaplex> I still want to buy one, but I guess the waiting list is as long as the macbook retnas
[2:24] <tnovelli> they should raise the price :-D
[2:25] <SSilver2k2> and here i am feeling bad that i got two purchase invites
[2:25] <plugwash> there hasn't been any official word from the distrubutors on queue lengths for a while but i'd expect if you register your interest now it will probablly be at least a couple of months before you get your Pi
[2:25] <SSilver2k2> though im in the education field, and its going to a good cause
[2:25] <plugwash> if you want one quicker there is always ebay
[2:28] <shirro> supaplex: I have seen a lot of willingness to loan them. I have two and if a local teacher or dev wanted one I would give it up in an instant until they could get one. At $40 you don't get too precious about them.
[2:29] <SSilver2k2> aye
[2:29] <SSilver2k2> we have 2 floating around our department at my university
[2:29] <SSilver2k2> we also have a drawer full of arduinos and other neat dev things, all available on loan
[2:29] <supaplex> :)
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[2:31] <SSilver2k2> one of our students, she saw us using the arduinos, started playing with it, and then for her birthday asked for the sparkfun inventors kit
[2:32] <shirro> When there is more availability I want to leave a couple with my wife at school to loan out to kids. I don't see her school getting onboard with a computer science curriculum in a hurry but I think kids can gain a lot if they can grab one to take home and play with. They won't even hear about them in any of the local press or know how to obtain them.
[2:32] <supaplex> I have a arm5/6 board I'm trying to figure out what firmware is on it (eg, gpl?). I've never used jtag/spi, but understand some of the concepts. this one has my goat, because it's here (and I'll just wait for pi).
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[2:33] <supaplex> any suggestions on a rather fool proof spi programmer in that regards?
[2:33] <MarcN> Anyone using the debian/wheezy spin do a apt-get update today? I'm not rebooting (haven't debugged yet until the kids are in bed and I have the TV...)
[2:35] <SSilver2k2> brb, gngeo just compiled, gotta switch HDMI cables and try it :-D
[2:36] <friggle> MarcN: some people seem to have run in to corruption on the /boot partition (some files are missing). I've been unable to reproduce that locally though
[2:36] <MarcN> never mind -- it got a different DHCP address. It rebooted...
[2:36] <MarcN> do'h
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[2:45] <ReggieUK> hi all
[2:50] <sjc> Morning, ReggieUK
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[2:50] <MarcN> ReggieUK, good evening
[2:52] <SSilver2k2> yo ReggieUK
[2:52] <SSilver2k2> got gneogeo running :)
[2:52] <MarcN> SSilver2k2, what is gneogeo?
[2:53] <SSilver2k2> its a neo geo emulator
[2:56] <trevorman> oo nice!
[2:56] <MarcN> SSilver2k2, what did you need to port? just compile? I'm curious.
[2:58] <SSilver2k2> so far, its just a straight compile
[2:58] <SSilver2k2> im using gngeo
[2:58] <SSilver2k2> it ran
[2:58] <trevorman> I probably still have my neogeo memory card somewhere... o.O
[2:58] <SSilver2k2> im downloading some ROMs right now
[2:58] <SSilver2k2> all legal, since i actually own a couple Neo Geo Arcade Machines
[2:58] <SSilver2k2> and have a drawer full of games
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[3:01] <MarcN> Has anyone here needed to do anything more than a simple compile?
[3:01] <D-side> man. if this thing wasnt buffering like a sob when i try to stream 1080p over wireless
[3:01] <D-side> it'd be perfect
[3:02] <MarcN> Question: I only briefly tried using the composite out and performance was ok. Would the HDMI out perform better?
[3:05] <SpeedEvil> DEfine performance
[3:05] <SpeedEvil> Compile speed will not improve
[3:06] <MarcN> SpeedEvil, moving windows around. The question is Composite out vs HDMI out.
[3:06] <trevorman> graphics performance is the same
[3:06] <trevorman> any difference would be due to change is resolution
[3:06] <trevorman> in
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[3:07] <MarcN> trevorman, fair enough. I'm taking my Pi to a linux users group this week and trying to anticipate questions.
[3:07] <SpeedEvil> Lower resolution may improve performance
[3:07] <SpeedEvil> Especially if you've got the CPU doing the work, not the PU
[3:07] <SpeedEvil> X is not accelleerated
[3:07] <izibi> hi. what data rates can you get over the GPIO ports of the RPI?
[3:07] <trevorman> MarcN: the GPU driver is meh at the moment. needs work ^
[3:08] <trevorman> izibi: if you want to transfer a significant amount of data then use I2C, SPI or the UART
[3:08] <SpeedEvil> izibi: depends on what the protocol you're using with them is
[3:08] <trevorman> bit banging using the other GPIOs will be a lot slower
[3:08] <SpeedEvil> izibi: In general, it's going to be problematic to push much data over them
[3:10] <izibi> i'm planning to play around with optical data transfer so i'm not locked to the GPIO pins, they were just the first thing i thought about as i guess it would be easier to build hardware than with usb
[3:10] <SpeedEvil> They are.
[3:10] <SpeedEvil> They will be lots slower though
[3:10] <izibi> i just need to get some kind of signal in and out between the RPI and some custom electronics
[3:10] <SpeedEvil> Using serial is probably easiest
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[3:12] <izibi> SpeedEvil: should be enough for my first attemps. what would i want to use if i want to get higher data rates?
[3:13] <izibi> so there's a project called RONJA (http://ronja.twibright.com/) that promises 10mbit/s. i'd like to beat that :D
[3:13] <izibi> btw what's the speed of the ethernet port? 100mbit/s?
[3:13] <Decepshun> 10/100
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[3:15] <trevorman> you best bet is to do what the ronja people did and do something with the ethernet connection. 10mbps iirc
[3:16] <trevorman> there is a high speed serial interface in the CSI port but its not documented and you'll need to do a ton of hacking + reverse engineering to make it work
[3:17] <trevorman> it hangs off the GPU as well that that makes it way more annoying to make work
[3:21] <SpeedEvil> izibi: In principle, you could do a 100mbit version of RONJA off the ethernet port.
[3:21] <SpeedEvil> izibi: What experience do you have in high speed analog design?
[3:22] <izibi> well... none :D would be happy to get a 10bit/s connection in the first place :D
[3:23] <SSilver2k2> and thats enough testing for tonight
[3:23] <mpthompson> I'm attempting to get the MATE desktop working on the Raspberry Pi (under Raspbian). Anyone familiar with getting MATE/GNOME 2 with the Slim display manager?
[3:25] <mpthompson> I don't understand how Slim determines which desktop environments it should launch. It seems to ignore the .xinitrc which I guess isn't supported by the default configuration under Debian.
[3:26] <neofutur> mpthompson: i wouldnt recommend gnome with 256 mb ram
[3:26] <neofutur> you will swap and kill the ssd
[3:26] <neofutur> perhaps itcould work with zram but still, better have a light desktop like wmaker or xfce
[3:27] <mpthompson> It does run slow out of the box, but there are supposed to be configuration settings and such to dramatically reduce it's memory footprint. I would like to give those a try.
[3:27] <Arch-iMac> mpthompson: i figured out how to change what it booted using slim but not how to make it the default...plus im not all that thrilled with startx auto starting for me anyways
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[3:28] <mpthompson> Arch-iMac, I've got it working without a display manager. I just wanted to document it working with Slim. Not a big deal for now though.
[3:28] <Arch-iMac> and i didnt give it much of a chance so i removed it
[3:29] <mpthompson> In my own opinion, Gnome 2 looks so much better and is easier to understand/use than xfce and lxde (I'm not familiar with wmaker). It would be great to get it working with the Raspberry Pi, even in some reduced configuration.
[3:30] <Arch-iMac> i agree with neofutur, while gnome2 would be best i think the performance and swap isnt worth using on an ssd but more on a usb hdd
[3:31] <neofutur> you will use all your ram for gnome, and be sloew for hatever you want to do after booting it
[3:31] <Arch-iMac> yeah screw that
[3:31] <neofutur> and swap is dangerous for sd and usb . . .
[3:31] <neofutur> but perhaps using zram you could make it usable
[3:32] <neofutur> have a look at http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t50-Using-ZRAM.html
[3:32] <mpthompson> OK, I'll look at zram... Thanks.
[3:33] <neofutur> but seriously your Pi would be muchhappier with a wmaker or xfce or other light desktop ;)
[3:33] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: is that the right link? it doesnt work
[3:34] <mpthompson> Well, booting up Gnome2/MATE top tells me it takes 183MB off the top... Yeesh...
[3:35] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: its http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t50-Using-ZRAM-Virtual-Swap-Compressed.html
[3:37] <mpthompson> It's unfortunate that MATE inherits Gnome 2 memory hog ways. It does look pretty...
[3:37] <Arch-iMac> ohh im sure it does
[3:37] <Arch-iMac> but so does xfce
[3:38] <neofutur> http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t50-Using-ZRAM.html works from here
[3:38] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: donno what to tell you but it doesnt here
[3:38] <Arch-iMac> i had to google it and it brought me to your page
[3:39] <mpthompson> The first link worked for me.
[3:39] <Arch-iMac> hmmm wierd now its working
[3:40] <Arch-iMac> its the same page
[3:40] <Arch-iMac> heh
[3:41] <neofutur> also works for responsiator : http://www.responsinator.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fraspberry.pi.gw.gd%2Ft50-Using-ZRAM.html
[3:41] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: do you have that going? the zram?
[3:41] <neofutur> yup
[3:41] <neofutur> irunning well here
[3:41] <Arch-iMac> did it make a difference?
[3:42] <neofutur> eh it gives you more ram ;)
[3:43] <neofutur> and a little bit more CPU usage
[3:43] <Arch-iMac> ok gonna give it a go
[3:44] <mpthompson> Yeah, ZRAM does look very interesting. I'll need to test it under Raspbian...
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[3:58] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: whats the command to see how much cpu is being used now?
[4:00] <ccssnet> top
[4:00] <Arch-iMac> yeah i thought there was some other command
[4:00] <cehteh> for some definitions of 'used'
[4:00] <cehteh> try 'uptime' to get the load
[4:01] <Arch-iMac> ahh ok
[4:03] <three14> what's this abotu zram, you try it Arch-iMac?
[4:03] <Arch-iMac> three14: im TRYING to try it
[4:03] <neofutur> yup I also use top
[4:03] <Arch-iMac> three14: ran into an issue already
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[4:05] <neofutur> if you try it feel free to help me make the post about zram better
[4:05] <neofutur> i ll updte OP with useful details
[4:05] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: im stuck at the mkswap portion of it...i think i need to install something
[4:06] <Arch-iMac> its not clear on those instructions
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[4:08] <Arch-iMac> root@new-host-3:~# ./mkzswap.sh start
[4:08] <Arch-iMac> ./mkzswap.sh: 14: ./mkzswap.sh: cannot create /sys/block/zram0/disksize: Directory nonexistent
[4:08] <neofutur> lsmod shows zram ?
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[4:08] <neofutur> you gave it a num_devices argument ?
[4:08] <neofutur> /dev/zram0 exists ?
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[4:09] <Arch-iMac> no...that part of the instruction i assumed was to add that to /etc/modules and not run it....should i have rebooted first then run the mkzswap script?
[4:10] <Arch-iMac> and no zram isnt listed in modules
[4:10] <Arch-iMac> its saying zram not found
[4:11] <neofutur> modprobe zram num_devices=1
[4:11] <neofutur> hum the latest firmware should provide the zram module
[4:11] <three14> might have to try this tmw at work. the old lady's home from her beach trip with the girl. will want me to actually sleep tonight.
[4:11] <neofutur> /lib/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/drivers/staging/zram/zram.ko
[4:11] <three14> plus my powered hub is at work, so i will be able to play withthat too.
[4:12] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: ok that command now has it listed in lsmod
[4:13] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: do i still need to do zram zram_num_devices=4?
[4:14] <neofutur> num_devices=1
[4:14] <neofutur> probably enough
[4:14] <three14> i use a 256MB swap partition, how will this affect it? or will the Pi have extra ram to use before it starts swapping?
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[4:15] <neofutur> you can have more than one swap
[4:15] <neofutur> one one sd, one on usb, and one in zram
[4:15] <neofutur> but if zram orks you probably want to stop seapping on the sd card
[4:16] <cehteh> zram works well for me
[4:16] <neofutur> I updted the post to make it more clear you need to modprobe the module before making the swap
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[4:16] <Arch-iMac> ok let me refresh
[4:16] <three14> hmm, believe it or not i never knew that. so i can, say, create a swapfile with dd if=/dev/zero on a usb drive, then all i have to do is mkswap on it, then swapon, then add it to the fstab?
[4:17] <cehteh> currently i dont use the rpi, had different things to do, but i installed it as first when i got my device
[4:17] <neofutur> mkswap is probably better than dd
[4:17] <Arch-iMac> i didnt even know about zram
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[4:17] <neofutur> hy use dd hen there is a mksap command ?
[4:17] <cehteh> swap on a slow drive will be way to slow. if it starts swapping (which is 10000times slower than ram) you could reboot instead
[4:18] <three14> neofutur, well, i only use dd to make a file, like dd if=/dev/zero of ./swapfile s=256 (can't remember the exact syntax)
[4:18] <neofutur> why use dd when
[4:18] <cehteh> http://public.pipapo.org/mkzswap btw .. have fun with that
[4:18] <cehteh> bs=1M count=256 .. but better dont :)
[4:19] <three14> count, that's it
[4:19] <neofutur> cehteh: thats linked on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t50-Using-ZRAM.html ;)
[4:19] <cehteh> i know
[4:19] <three14> how else do i create a 256MB file? other than by using dd to fill it with zeros?
[4:19] <neofutur> iirc i discovered zram thanks to you
[4:19] <neofutur> then made that post ;)
[4:19] <cehteh> yes
[4:19] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: if i run that zram num_devices=4 it says zram not found..is that the correct syntax to add to /etc/modules?
[4:20] <cehteh> Arch-iMac: you need a kernel which is zram enabled
[4:20] <cehteh> and they changed the config a bit with more recent kernels its now named zram_num_devices (since 3.2 iirc)
[4:20] <neofutur> where to put it depend on your distro
[4:21] <cehteh> yes thats for debian
[4:21] <neofutur> and you probably want num_devices=1
[4:21] <neofutur> afaik no options will create 1 as a default
[4:21] <neofutur> ls -al /dev/zram*
[4:21] <Arch-iMac> cehteh: i have that module in raspbian
[4:21] <neofutur> to ceck it created one
[4:22] <cehteh> try modprobe manually
[4:22] <neofutur> ah I wondered why you used zram_num_devices ceteh
[4:22] <neofutur> its still num_devices here
[4:22] <Arch-iMac> cehteh: this worked for me modprobe zram num_devices=1
[4:22] <neofutur> so its zram_num_devices after 3.2
[4:22] <neofutur> i ll ad it on my post
[4:23] <Arch-iMac> and i see zram in /dev now
[4:23] <neofutur> rpi-update provides 3.1.9
[4:24] <Arch-iMac> yeah im running 3.1.9
[4:24] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: so do i need to change the line in /etc/modules?
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[4:25] <neofutur> Arch-iMac: i dont know for debian
[4:25] <Arch-iMac> ahh ok
[4:25] <three14> so after i modprobe zram num_devices=1, it shows in /dev/ as zram0, can i just swapon to that? or do i need to mkswap?
[4:25] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: what are you running?
[4:26] <neofutur> on gento i just have
[4:26] <neofutur> conf.d/modules:modules="zram lzo_decompress lzo_compress ipv6"
[4:26] <neofutur> conf.d/modules:module_zram_args="num_devices=2"
[4:26] <neofutur> modprobe.d/zram.conf:options zram num_devices=2
[4:26] <neofutur> ( gentoo )
[4:26] <Arch-iMac> ahhh right gento
[4:26] <Arch-iMac> i keep forgetting
[4:26] <neofutur> but it should be easy to find some docs on specific debian module management ;)
[4:27] <Arch-iMac> can you make that clear in your post? or at least make a reference to debian on the differences...your actually the only one i know of right now thats even running gento
[4:27] <neofutur> i wont add specific info for each distro . . .
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[4:28] <three14> Arch-iMac, i think you just need to add it to /etc/modules
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[4:28] <neofutur> until now theres nothing distro specific in the post
[4:28] <neofutur> nothing gentoo specific either
[4:28] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: wouldnt it be considered distro specific if it only works in gento?
[4:28] <Arch-iMac> i mean your instructions
[4:28] <neofutur> it just tells how to manually set it up
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[4:29] <neofutur> after that use your distro specific setup to make it automatic on boot
[4:29] <Arch-iMac> three14: i have zram num_devices=4 in there now...replace it with the modprobe line instead?
[4:29] <neofutur> feel free to add a post for specific debian setup ;)
[4:30] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: okie dokie
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[4:30] <three14> no, no need to modprobe in /etc/modules
[4:30] <three14> just the module name and options
[4:30] <Arch-iMac> ahh ok
[4:30] <three14> but now seriously, do i need to mkswap or swapon on this /dev/zram0?
[4:31] <evinrude> where can I find the complete memory map for the broad com chip the Rpi uses? I have had a look at the documentation provided with the pi, but the memory map is only partial, and is scattered throughout the doc.
[4:32] <neofutur> I added : warning
[4:32] <neofutur> this is a generic way to manually setup zram, to make this automatic you will have to use your distro specific tools ( conf.d/modules on gentoo , /etc/modules on debian . . . check the docs of your favorite distro ;)
[4:32] <neofutur> at the end of the post
[4:32] <Arch-iMac> fair enuf
[4:32] <neofutur> three14: you probably need to mksap _and swapon
[4:33] <three14> thank you
[4:33] <SpeedEvil> evinrude: there is no full datasheet
[4:33] <neofutur> probably everytime you reboot or modprobe zrm
[4:34] <evinrude> SpeedEvil: yep, I was afraid of that. I had a look at Gert's code and I was wondering where he got his info from.
[4:34] <Arch-iMac> waiting for raspberry.pi.gw.gd.... :( your site doesnt like me
[4:34] <SpeedEvil> you know of the datasheet?
[4:34] <SpeedEvil> limited oe?
[4:34] <SpeedEvil> one
[4:34] <three14> hmm, mkswap won't let me because it says /dev/zram0 must be at least 40KB, do i need to edit/execute that script that was linked (i added it to /etc/defaults/)
[4:34] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, I tested the pi booting via the 5v/gnd on the pin header
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[4:35] <ReggieUK> found a 26pin idc cable, made a simple breakout to plug into the cable and breadboard
[4:35] <ReggieUK> refused to boot
[4:35] <evinrude> SpeedEvil: yes, it is limited. Broadcom probably releases a full data sheet, but under an NDA.
[4:35] <ReggieUK> would get to xinetd and die
[4:36] <ReggieUK> I'd already double checked the breakout/cable for shorts
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[4:36] * PiBot sets mode +v craag
[4:36] <ReggieUK> and it also wouldnt boot from microUSB with the breakout in
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[4:36] <ReggieUK> no idea why i tried but I turned the breakout round and it's decided to work
[4:37] <ReggieUK> and it's repeatable
[4:37] <ReggieUK> if I turn it back round the other way it'll freeze at xinetd
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[4:38] <neofutur> Arch-iMac: strange, the server is not loaded and the dns is clean
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[4:38] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: it eventually loaded....maybe its the route its having issues with
[4:40] <neofutur> hum one of the 2 dns of the provider is odwn
[4:40] <neofutur> down
[4:40] <Milos|Netbook> I look forward to some USB fixes.
[4:40] <Milos|Netbook> Raspberry Pi uses 8,000 interrupts idle.
[4:40] <neofutur> probably the problem
[4:40] <three14> ok, zram.ko loaded (but with num_devices=1), added to /etc/modules, mkzswap added to /etc/default (and executed (changed 1024 to 256, though)), swapon /dev/zram0, edited fstab accordingly. Ready to restart?
[4:40] <Arch-iMac> doo eeet
[4:41] * Milos|Netbook does eet
[4:41] <Milos|Netbook> what am I doing
[4:41] <Arch-iMac> lol
[4:41] <Arch-iMac> not you Milos|Netbook
[4:41] <Milos|Netbook> fine
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[4:41] <three14> rebooting
[4:41] <lrvick> ohai
[4:41] <Milos|Netbook> reshoeing
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[4:42] <lrvick> the real question: does PiBot run on a Rpi?
[4:42] <D-side> it doesnt
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[4:42] <Milos|Netbook> no
[4:42] <Milos|Netbook> it runs on gentoo though
[4:42] <Milos|Netbook> :)
[4:42] <Arch-iMac> why does everyone ask that? lol
[4:42] <Milos|Netbook> because they are curious?
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[4:42] <lrvick> oh come on. I had gentoo running on my NSLU2
[4:43] <Milos|Netbook> \
[4:43] <Milos|Netbook> I use gento on the rpi
[4:43] <lrvick> you can put your gentoo instlal ona pi
[4:43] <neofutur> is it a eggdrop, supybot , other ?
[4:43] <lrvick> lol
[4:43] <Milos|Netbook> I wouldn't ever use anyhting else
[4:43] <Milos|Netbook> I don't like any other distro
[4:43] <lrvick> +1 Milos|Netbook
[4:43] <Milos|Netbook> :D
[4:43] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: ok make that 3 blokes using gento :P
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[4:43] * PiBot sets mode +v craag
[4:43] <D-side> :|
[4:43] <neofutur> +2 Milos|Netbook ;)
[4:43] <Milos|Netbook> :DD
[4:44] <neofutur> Arch-iMac: 3 blokes ?
[4:44] <three14> Oh SNAPZ!! stuck in a boot loop. lol
[4:44] <Milos|Netbook> what if one of them is a woman
[4:44] * lrvick % dict(repo_name=repo_config.name))
[4:44] <lrvick> Portage (default/linux/amd64/10.0, gcc-4.4.5, glibc-2.14.1-r3, 3.3.2 x86_64)
[4:44] <Milos|Netbook> what's a woman bloke
[4:44] <lrvick> woops
[4:44] <Arch-iMac> ok 3 people
[4:44] <Milos|Netbook> nek minit
[4:44] <lrvick> I run arch on my macbook.
[4:44] <Milos|Netbook> all gentoo people should be in #rpi-gentoo btw
[4:44] <lrvick> but workstations and servers are always gentoo
[4:44] <Milos|Netbook> also, my bus stop is arriving, time to get off the bus
[4:45] <Milos|Netbook> be home in a tick
[4:45] <lrvick> I remember building gentoo on my nslu2. gcc took days
[4:45] <D-side> :|
[4:45] <lrvick> and that was after i overclocked it to 133mhz
[4:46] * lrvick popped a resister
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[4:46] <three14> ok, so called boot loop fixed, zram appears to be running.
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[4:47] <Hybridsix> neat.
[4:47] <Arch-iMac> three14: what did you do to fix the boot loop?
[4:47] <three14> Arch-iMac, cycled the power? nothing at all. i was getting ready to yank the sd card and chroot in on another machine
[4:48] <Arch-iMac> oh
[4:48] <Arch-iMac> try another reboot see if it does the same thing?
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[4:48] <three14> one sec. i am trying to figure out what is causing me to only have 196MB swap
[4:49] <three14> neofutur, so let me ask you this. in fstab, can i have two entries both attempting to use different swaps?
[4:49] <neofutur> yes
[4:50] <three14> so if i have a 256mb swap partition, and, what i think is 256MB zram swap, should the total of both be displayed in top?
[4:51] <neofutur> i d say yes
[4:51] <Milos_> o hai
[4:51] <three14> ok, let me troubleshoot
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[4:52] <Milos_> shoot the trouble
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[4:52] <three14> hmm, module is loaded, and if i try to swapon again i get "swapon: /dev/zram0: read swap header failed: Invalid argument"
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[4:54] <three14> ok, now top shows 250MB swap..
[4:54] <three14> mkzswap wasn't being executed on boot
[4:55] <three14> so it wasn't setting up /dev/zram0 and i couldn't swapon
[4:55] <three14> nor could fstab
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[4:57] <three14> heh, helps if you make the script executable
[4:57] <three14> *doh*
[4:57] <supaplex> mkswap /dev/spit
[4:57] <Arch-iMac> lol
[4:57] <neofutur> Arch-iMac: dns issues fixed fast answer and fix from the registrar ;)
[4:57] <Milos> 30MB/s SD card speed om nom
[4:57] <Arch-iMac> neofutur: nice
[4:57] <Arch-iMac> Milos: running on the pi?
[4:57] <Milos> ya
[4:58] <Arch-iMac> how did you do that?
[4:58] <Milos> overclocked emmc interface
[4:58] <Milos> and I'm also using a $60USD SD card rated 95MBs
[4:58] <Milos> s/MBs/MB\/s/
[4:58] <Arch-iMac> ah
[4:58] * neofutur have 14.51 MB/sec on an old class 4 sd
[4:58] <Milos> but here you go: www.wut.co.nz/images/pi-sd.jpg
[4:58] <neofutur> since the latest kernel
[4:59] <Arch-iMac> wow nice
[4:59] <neofutur> Milos: init_emmc_clock=50000000
[4:59] <Milos> also tried with hdparm
[4:59] <neofutur> is the good setting ?
[4:59] <Milos> neofutur, I set mine to 80MHz (at first I accidentally set it to 500MHz LOL)
[4:59] * fiftyonefifty (~fiftyonef@ Quit (Quit: This here's FiftyOneFifty on the side. We gone, bye bye)
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[5:00] <neofutur> ( everyone should send a kiss to zgreg for fixing thise slow SD problems ;)
[5:00] <Arch-iMac> word
[5:00] <Milos> I had a big long chat with him yesterday
[5:00] <Milos> he was like but you can't get >25MB/s!!! and then he realised I was actually overclocking it
[5:00] <neofutur> thanks Milos I ll try init_emmc_clock=80000000 at next reboot
[5:00] <neofutur> to see if it makes a difference
[5:00] <Milos> be warned I don't know if it does damage; mine didn't
[5:00] <neofutur> but probably not with an old class 4
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[5:02] <dirty_d> i cant see it causing damage
[5:02] <Milos> well mine crapped itself this morning, not sure if related
[5:02] <Milos> some inodes were plonkered
[5:02] <Milos> so I lost a few files
[5:02] <three14> hmm..
[5:03] <dirty_d> data loss or the dard is acutally damaged?
[5:03] <dirty_d> card*
[5:03] <Milos> na never physical
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[5:03] <Milos> always fs-related
[5:03] <neofutur> Milos: bogomips 1099 ? overvolted ?
[5:03] <Milos> yep
[5:03] <dirty_d> oh yea i can definitely see losing data with an overclock
[5:03] <Milos> um why?
[5:03] <dirty_d> but as long as the voltage is within spec i cant see how it could get physically damaged
[5:03] <neofutur> dirty_d: overclock is very stable here
[5:03] <Milos> likewise, at 1.1GHz
[5:04] <neofutur> but i will probably not try overvolting
[5:04] <Milos> improvements are pretty spectacular :P
[5:04] <three14> attempting to update-rc.d mkzswap complains that the script isn't a regular executable file.
[5:04] <neofutur> chmod +x /path/to/the/script
[5:05] <neofutur> could help
[5:05] <three14> did that. then i thought that it was because i made a symbolic link to it
[5:05] <three14> cp'ed it there instead. same thing
[5:05] * ChanServ sets mode -v Guest27781
[5:05] <three14> missing a simple step here, i know it
[5:06] <Milos> herpderp
[5:06] <dirty_d> three14, is update-rc.d a script itself? if so see what its actually looking at to show that messae
[5:06] * Guest27781 is now known as delusr
[5:06] <three14> update-rc.d is just to add scripts/etc to a specified runlevel, iirc
[5:07] <dirty_d> is it a script though?
[5:07] <Milos> it's a ninja
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[5:08] <dirty_d> three14, grep -A1
[5:08] <dirty_d> oops
[5:08] <dirty_d> grep -B10 -A10 "regular executable file" $(which update-rc.d)
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[5:09] <three14> dirty_d, sorry. volume was down. restarting at the moment
[5:09] <three14> i'm not certain it's skipping the file
[5:09] <dirty_d> oh
[5:09] <three14> even though it says
[5:09] <three14> i think it's just informing me of the obvious
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[5:11] <dirty_d> you sure its executable?
[5:11] <three14> i chmod -x twice
[5:11] <dirty_d> googles first result has something about it saying that if its not executable
[5:11] <dirty_d> +x
[5:11] <dirty_d> -x clears the executable bit
[5:11] * three14 wonders if he did + or - now
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[5:12] <dirty_d> just do an ls -l on it and see
[5:12] <three14> i did...
[5:12] <three14> and you are correct
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[5:12] * PiBot sets mode +v Out`Of`Control
[5:12] <three14> -rw-r--r--
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[5:12] <three14> damn these simple user errors
[5:13] <dirty_d> yea, lol
[5:13] <Arch-iMac> heh
[5:13] <three14> well, obviously now it works perfectly
[5:13] <three14> thank you, dirty_d
[5:13] <dirty_d> no problem
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[5:14] <three14> rebooting again
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[5:16] <three14> ok, now we're cooking with fire
[5:16] <three14> except that my changes to the script itself is only giving me 51MB of swap for zram. will need to change it
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[5:17] <dirty_d> what the hell is zram?
[5:17] <Arch-iMac> lol
[5:18] <lrvick> anyone been doing anything fun with the gpio?
[5:18] <dirty_d> is that like bzip2ed swap or something?
[5:18] <supaplex> pfm
[5:18] <dirty_d> sounds like madness
[5:18] <three14> something like that
[5:18] <three14> madness?!?!...
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[5:18] <dirty_d> that sounds extremely slow
[5:18] <dirty_d> lol
[5:18] <three14> it's compressed ram
[5:18] <supaplex> actually pfm2.21
[5:18] <ReggieUK> might as well use pencil and paper
[5:19] <dirty_d> swap might even be faster than compressed ram
[5:19] <dirty_d> on a slow cpu
[5:19] <dirty_d> thats a pretty cool idea though
[5:19] <supaplex> turns a dual core into a z80 in a megaflop
[5:20] <dirty_d> lol
[5:20] <three14> i haven't noticed any speed improvment yet. gonna go into x and muck about.
[5:21] <three14> have 256MB swap on zram, and 256MB swap partition
[5:21] <dirty_d> meh, i dont even have X installed on mine
[5:21] <dirty_d> i have a PC for that
[5:21] <three14> not sure if i should disable the swap partition to check if zram is faster
[5:21] <dirty_d> i just use it to play movies
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[5:22] <dirty_d> i havent thought of any neat project to do yet
[5:22] <three14> add a powerful wifi dongle and drive around and sit in front of internet cafes and broadcast deauthentication packets.
[5:23] <dirty_d> lol
[5:23] <supaplex> there's an app for that (probably)
[5:23] <three14> there's a script
[5:23] <supaplex> hey good idea, time to fire up the 1w radio
[5:24] <supaplex> deauth any jerks near my channel
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[5:26] <three14> dirty_d went to go broadcast deauthentication packets.
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[5:28] <three14> installing firefox. it should suck up enough ram to test zram
[5:28] <supaplex> good choice
[5:29] <wizkid057> so, openvpn on the raspberry pi maxes out CPU at about 8 megabit
[5:30] <Milos|Netbook> emerge --sync SO FAST
[5:30] <Milos|Netbook> omg
[5:30] <Milos|Netbook> no delays when it finishes
[5:31] <Milos|Netbook> the OK light actually blinks like a proper HDD light out
[5:31] <Milos|Netbook> s/out/would/
[5:38] <megatog615> speaking of zram, anyone know why it's not available on raspbian?
[5:39] <three14> im using raspbian
[5:40] <three14> it was already availabl
[5:40] <three14> using it now, and have 30 firefox tabs open
[5:40] <tnovelli> wizkid057: interesting. 8mbit ain't bad for a dinky ARM board :)
[5:40] <three14> cpu is more than pegged, of course. and i am using about 55mb of swap. still have to wait for some of the extra tabs to load and render.
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[5:41] <three14> 90mb swap used atm
[5:41] <three14> come on firefox, suck that ram
[5:42] <Milos|Netbook> lolol
[5:42] * Milos|Netbook is now known as firefox
[5:42] * firefox sucks ram
[5:43] <tnovelli> indeed. go try a webgl demo, that might do the trick :)
[5:43] <firefox> I'm over 9000!
[5:44] <firefox> I'm version 99999!
[5:44] <three14> link me up, tnovelli
[5:44] <three14> might take me 5min to open a new tab and type the addy though
[5:44] <firefox> LOL
[5:44] <firefox> ho ho ho
[5:44] <firefox> I'm lazy like that
[5:44] * supaplex tosses firefox some null pointers
[5:44] <supaplex> dereference that!
[5:44] * firefox (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Quit: [])
[5:44] <supaplex> woops
[5:45] <tnovelli> three14: http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki/Demo_Repository
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[5:46] <tnovelli> three14: or http://tnovelli.net/blog/1206-webgl-lierojs/demo1.html
[5:46] <Milos|Netbook> It would have been funnier if I typed /quit SIGSEGV
[5:46] <supaplex> yup
[5:46] <Milos|Netbook> but [] came to mind
[5:46] <supaplex> ^5
[5:46] <Milos|Netbook> :D
[5:46] * Milos|Netbook ^gs supaplex
[5:46] <Milos|Netbook> fail
[5:46] <tnovelli> ^%1~~%%% NO CARRIER
[5:46] <three14> "A script on this page has become unresponsive."
[5:46] <Milos|Netbook> NO CARRIER
[5:46] <Milos|Netbook> ERROR
[5:46] <Milos|Netbook> RETRY
[5:47] <three14> yes, of course it has....NOW CONTINUE RUNNING IT
[5:47] <supaplex> BUSY
[5:47] <Milos|Netbook> AT
[5:47] <Milos|Netbook> CONNECT
[5:47] <Milos|Netbook> Alarm
[5:47] <Milos|Netbook> failed.
[5:48] <tnovelli> it's quicker to kill & restart FF than wait for that unresponsive-script thing to do something
[5:48] <Milos|Netbook> haha
[5:48] <Milos|Netbook> brb IRC update
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[5:48] <three14> no, i sort of want it to continue. trying to get it to eat as much as possible
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[5:49] <three14> sadly, the cpu is pegged so hard that it's difficult to open enough tabs to use more swap
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[5:50] <three14> it's starting to settle down (the cpu)
[5:50] <three14> still holding a constant 40% or so
[5:50] <three14> using nearly every ounce of the 224MB ram, and about 150MB swap so far
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[5:57] <three14> i will say, zram definitely uses quite a bit of processing power
[5:57] <arthurdent> wooo
[5:57] <arthurdent> got my raspi today, updating packages right now
[5:57] <megatog615> three14: is it a module or builtin?
[5:57] <three14> arthurdent, congrats!
[5:57] <three14> megatog615, module
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[6:00] <three14> well, it does indeed work as advertised. but if you're using the pi at 700MHz, i'd stay away from it.
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[6:01] <three14> megatog615, here. check this out: http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t50-Using-ZRAM-Virtual-Swap-Compressed.html
[6:01] <three14> megatog615, script is here: http://public.pipapo.org/mkzswap
[6:03] <megatog615> oh i know how to do it
[6:03] <three14> i don't know how useful it is for everyday things. i suppose if you had some extremely memory intensive thing to do, or if you wanted to take the stress off the sd card for swapping, it might be handy.
[6:03] <megatog615> it is just not not available as a module for me
[6:04] <megatog615> i have used it quite a bit on another project i had
[6:04] <megatog615> in fact it worked fine in regular debian
[6:06] <three14> i am wondering if there is a way to prioritize the swapping. like use zram before the swap partition. i believe there's an option to add tot he fstab, but i can't remember what it is.
[6:06] <nacimmep> i need to make a gpio IR sensor
[6:07] <arthurdent> is there an iwconfig package for archlinux arm?
[6:07] <nacimmep> http://aron.ws/projects/lirc_rpi/
[6:07] <three14> it might work better in X whenever there's some type of gpu acceleration, because right now, combined with the mere act of running X, it bogs down the cpu a lot. might not be as noticeable with acceleration.
[6:08] <three14> nacimmep, nice find!
[6:08] <three14> ahh, back to cli <3
[6:09] <three14> there's something refreshing about it
[6:09] <arthurdent> lsusb sees my wireless usb (Realtek RTL8188CUS) but iwconfig / ifconfig does not :
[6:10] <three14> arthurdent, i have a monoprice wifi dongle with the same chipset. had the same problem, but since i don't have my powered hub til tmw, i assumed it was due to a power issue.
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[6:11] <three14> arthurdent, there's like a 10page thread on the Raspberry Pi forum about that chipset. i'd read through it, because i haven't
[6:11] <nacimmep> yeah looks like you can just pop an ir reciever onto a few mins and be done with it
[6:11] <nacimmep> mins/pins*
[6:11] <three14> nacimmep, that's pretty sweet, actually.
[6:11] <three14> tons of leftover ir remotes here.
[6:11] <nacimmep> gpio is where the fun is
[6:12] <three14> i thought abotu wiring up a ds1307 rtc, but got sidetracked.
[6:12] <nacimmep> pop an extra flash chip... not sure what would be the point though not sure what kind of speeds you can get
[6:13] <three14> i'd really like to log nmea data from a mtk3329 gps module.
[6:13] <nacimmep> your pi doesnt stand still?
[6:14] <three14> bought a breakout board for it to easily test it's accuracy. it was great so i went online and got a few of the bare modules.
[6:14] <three14> they can be had for $13 or less if you shop around
[6:15] <three14> nacimmep, it does stand still, but i am just interested in interfacing a lot of the crap i have for the arduino with the pi
[6:15] <three14> it's like a whole new project.
[6:15] <three14> lol
[6:15] <nacimmep> relays are fun
[6:15] <nacimmep> temp/humidity sensors too
[6:16] <three14> it'd be nice to get a Pi > 74HC595 shift register > 16x2 LCD up and running too.
[6:16] <nacimmep> ew yes an lcd
[6:16] <three14> how much can the gpios put out? 16mA?
[6:17] <nacimmep> not much they wont be able to power more than a few dinky sensors really need external power for anything substaintial
[6:17] <three14> just wondering if i could use the same transistor i use with the arduino to trigger a relay
[6:17] <three14> probably not that simple. >_<
[6:19] <nacimmep> yeah they really screwed the pooch on power limits
[6:19] <three14> i have 4 of those powerswitch tails. a friend bought them and some arduino stuff. he punked out and gave up when he realized there'd be actual work involved, so he sold me his stuff for dirt cheap.
[6:19] <three14> no way i am paying the retail on those ps tails
[6:20] <nacimmep> maybe make a power backpack board
[6:21] <three14> nacimmep, doesn't the yet-to-be-released Gertboard do that?
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[6:25] <three14> something is definitely needed if the gpios are only capable of 16mA. that's about hat you'd get out of busting out a wet fart on a piezo.
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[6:25] <three14> what*
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[6:29] <nacimmep> yeah thats pretty much what the gert does i guess now that i look at it
[6:29] <nacimmep> even expands the available io's
[6:29] <nacimmep> awesome i want one
[6:30] <megatog615> three14: swapon has a priority switch
[6:30] <megatog615> i gave my zram swap devices priority 10 and disk swap -1
[6:30] <megatog615> -1 is default
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[6:31] <megatog615> swapon -p<priority>
[6:31] <three14_2> Ah, thank you!
[6:33] <arthurdent> ugh, not having any luck with this wireless adapter :(
[6:33] <arthurdent> probably because i'm doing it on arch and i'm not familiar enough with the differences to know if i'm putting something in the wrong place or something
[6:34] <three14_2> arthurdent: Its a pain too. Part of the reason I gave up. Aso because I am always near an Ethernet cable.
[6:35] <nacimmep> what chipset is the wireless
[6:37] <three14_2> Realtek rtl8somethingsomethingCUS
[6:37] <arthurdent> RTL8188cus
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[6:37] <arthurdent> i found some very simple instructions, i'm going to try them now
[6:37] <three14_2> Post them if you have luck
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[6:39] <megatog615> three14: how did you make a 256MB zram swap device? O.o
[6:39] <arthurdent> didnt :(
[6:40] <arthurdent> i only bought this because someone said it was guaranteed to work :(
[6:40] <three14_2> The script I linked needs to be ran, itll set it up. Then you can swapon /dev/zram0, its already set for 256.
[6:40] <three14_2> That same script will need to be chmod +x
[6:41] <three14_2> Then added to the appropriate runlevel, and fstab will need to be edited to reflect it
[6:45] <megatog615> three14_2: i know, it's just that the zram device will consume all the ram on the board...
[6:45] <megatog615> i don't think that's possible since the kernel reserves some for itself
[6:45] <megatog615> and even then, you have a cpu/gpu split
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[6:46] <supaplex> then it should be a bananna split board
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[6:47] <megatog615> is the black border around the picture on my screen from overscan?
[6:49] <three14_2> megatog615: It seemed to work fine for me. But like I was saying earlier, itd only be useful under certain circumstances.
[6:49] <megatog615> i find that zram is useful for keeping it from writing to the disk swap
[6:49] <three14_2> Yea
[6:50] <megatog615> woah wtf
[6:50] <megatog615> i'm attempting to build mame
[6:50] <megatog615> and i'm getting kernel oopses all the time
[6:50] <three14_2> Might also be useful for using small sd cards where space is limited and you can afford to sacrifice any.
[6:50] <megatog615> it's a good thing i'm using ccache
[6:51] <megatog615> ... there it goes again!
[6:51] <megatog615> three14_2: did rpi-update get fixed?
[6:52] <three14_2> megatog615: Haha, no clue, I didnt feel like trying it to find out.
[6:52] <three14_2> Try and and tell me. :-)
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[6:53] <megatog615> three14_2: before i do, what is the default values for overscan_*?
[6:53] <three14_2> Not sure, something with 20s in it? It was on the elinux site, iirc
[6:53] <megatog615> i'm just gonna set them all to 0 and try that
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[6:55] <megatog615> no difference
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[6:56] <megatog615> ok i just set overscan_left to 200 and the values definitely work
[6:56] <megatog615> lol
[6:57] <megatog615> oh here we go, the config.txt page doesn't have "disable_overscan"
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[6:58] <megatog615> there we go, now to try rpi-update
[7:02] <arthurdent> >:( still no wifi. i tried the drivers on the disk but the makefile barfs
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[7:04] <arthurdent> "Makefile:567: /usr/src/linux-3.1.9-22-ARCH+/arch/armv61/Makefile: No such file or directory"
[7:04] <arthurdent> but the makefile is only 200-some lines long so i don't know what it's talking about :( and no that file doesn't exist, there is no armv61 folder
[7:05] <three14_2> The module should already be in arch and Debian/Raspbian. I think its 8129cu
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[7:06] <arthurdent> i mean the device shows up in lsusb and everything
[7:06] <arthurdent> it just wont show up in iwiconfig
[7:06] <arthurdent> iwconfig*
[7:06] <arthurdent> or ifconfig (sorry for scrolling)
[7:16] <arthurdent> *sigh* maybe i'll try debian :( I was so excited to run arch on it but it seems like it might be a no-go with this wireless card
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[7:23] <megatog615> "mmc0: missed completion of cmd..." is the sign of a dying sdcard right?
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[7:50] <megatog615> three14_2: rpi-update worked
[7:51] <megatog615> three14_2: and it seems that zram is once again a module
[7:51] <megatog615> it just wasn't available before
[7:51] <three14_2> Lol, ok awesome. Now I can rest easy.
[7:51] <three14_2> Yea. Comes with RPi-update
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[8:16] <Helldesk> the Chinese spacecraft Shenzhou 9 with its crew of three has docked to the Tiangong 1 space station
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[8:38] <RITRedbeard> good... morning/evening
[8:39] <chbg> Hello, RITRedbeard!
[8:41] <RITRedbeard> How is everyone tonight? Working away on their Pi or other embedded projects, I hope.
[8:41] * gordonDrogon yawns. It's morning here..
[8:42] <arthurdent> trying debian now...
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> Going to get my Pi fan speed controller finished this morning
[8:42] <chbg> I'm currently working on getting this project's (http://elinux.org/Rubus) image set up properly.
[8:42] <arthurdent> couldn't get my wireless adapter working in arch :(
[8:43] <gordonDrogon> Looks like the battery in my UPS failed about 7 days sooner than I expected it to.
[8:43] <RITRedbeard> That sucks. Best to take breaks, I found. I'm in the process of actually learning linux from administrative/root perspective and I'm getting ready to switch over completely... soon as I become more familiar with running as root and such.
[8:44] <RITRedbeard> My laptop's network card is supported, but after awhile it stops.
[8:44] <RITRedbeard> :(
[8:44] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, my wife uses Linux without needing to know anything about running as root.
[8:44] <arthurdent> hmm, you should see if it has any power saving features and try to turn them off
[8:45] <gordonDrogon> arthurdent, no matter - my uPS was powering an automated weather station outdoors - it's an arduino. I suspect the UPS was using 100x more juice itself than the arduino.
[8:45] <RITRedbeard> gordonDrogon, but everything is all setup already, yeah? udev or hotplug2 etc...
[8:45] <arthurdent> gordonDrogon: i was referring to RITRedbeard's wifi card, sorry
[8:45] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, I just installed standard debian for her and made sure the networking, etc. was going. showed her to install s/w and how to do updates..
[8:46] <RITRedbeard> Ah.
[8:46] <gordonDrogon> a-ha :)
[8:46] <RITRedbeard> Knowing how to play as root is useful, though.
[8:47] * gordonDrogon ponders.... shower then breakfast, or breakfast then shower...
[8:47] <RITRedbeard> And usually required for something.
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[8:50] <RITRedbeard> arthurdent, in the firmware you mean?
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[8:53] <RITRedbeard> or perhaps as a daemon... the distro is presently running off USB/live and it's Lubuntu based; I think there is one for power/achi events
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[8:54] <RITRedbeard> My MK802 is actually on backorder! Dealextreme lied to me! In stock my eye...
[8:55] <RITRedbeard> No Pi, No Allwinner A10, just my Bifferboard, I'm afraid. :(
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[9:05] <Pitel> wohey, it arrived today \o/
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[9:05] <RITRedbeard> Lucky.
[9:09] <frankivo> :)
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[9:11] <Pitel> it's heating a bit more than I expected
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[9:15] <RITRedbeard> I should finally just put a pre-order in.
[9:15] <RITRedbeard> Since it will take a long time to fufill the order
[9:15] <nacimmep> i've pre ordered... back in early march
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[9:16] <nacimmep> says it'll ship next week
[9:16] <nacimmep> woohoo
[9:16] <nacimmep> only took like 4 months
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[9:16] <RITRedbeard> yeah I've been waiting for a year+ a few months maybe
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[9:17] <nacimmep> i almost wish i never heard of raspberry pi
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[9:17] <RITRedbeard> What makes you say that?
[9:18] <nacimmep> high hopes long waits disapointments
[9:18] <RITRedbeard> What's got you disappointed?
[9:19] <nacimmep> few things
[9:19] <nacimmep> not in the mood to point them all out
[9:19] <RITRedbeard> If it's underpowered, well, the media really didn't help in that department.
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[9:20] <RITRedbeard> The ARM processor it is running is quite... aged.
[9:20] <chbg> I feel like everyone grievances with Raspberry Pi neglect the context of the entire project.
[9:20] <chbg> *everyone's
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[9:21] <RITRedbeard> chbg, possibly. It's actually a really good platform for hobby projects from what I can see.
[9:22] <RITRedbeard> Education? I'm not so sure, but it's better than nothing.
[9:22] <Hybridsix> chbg: I agree. some of my friends dont quite get it.
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[9:22] <chbg> Why wouldn't it be good for education?
[9:22] <Hybridsix> chbg: cheap hardware, thats easy to fix when you screw up the OS
[9:22] <Hybridsix> (give the kid a new SD card)
[9:22] <Hybridsix> so when you program on it, write kernels, etc
[9:22] <Hybridsix> even if you blow the whole thing up.
[9:22] <RITRedbeard> Depending on what type of classes or level of education you attempt to teach... there are a few gotchas
[9:23] <Hybridsix> its only $35.
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[9:27] <chbg> they were built to promote comp sci in kids. imho, it's the perfect catalyst for such intentions. it's biggest plus is how inexpensive it is. it pretty much shouts, "break the ever living shit out of me," which is good because in order to do that... kids will have to navigate throughout the pi.
[9:27] <neofutur> nacimmep: I also had to wait months, but i m very happy with my Pi
[9:27] <ShiftPlusOne> chbg, *cough*
[9:27] <neofutur> its exactly what it had to bem and worth the price
[9:28] <neofutur> i wish it had a little bit more ram, but its respecting the specs
[9:28] <neofutur> you cant say
[9:28] <neofutur> (10:11) <+ nacimmep> i almost wish i never heard of raspberry pi
[9:28] <neofutur> and then refuse to answer to
[9:28] <neofutur> (10:12) <+RITRedbea> What's got you disappointed?
[9:28] <neofutur> its just unfair
[9:29] <chbg> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18301670 <- that video shows you just how well the raspberry pi foundation is achieving it's goal
[9:29] <Pitel> I changed my locale to cz_cz utf8, but thos unicode characters are displayed as squares. how can I fix this?
[9:29] <chbg> the kids that get interviewed are ecstatic
[9:30] <chbg> and all they did was write a few lines of code that turned an led light on and off
[9:30] <RITRedbeard> That's great.
[9:30] <gordonDrogon> never underestimate the power of flashing light technology!
[9:31] <RITRedbeard> What I meant was nowadays (I have briefly played with debian img in qemu) linux has a lot of overhead and subsystems
[9:31] <ShiftPlusOne> chbg, could be why they were the ones interviewed. It really depends on the school and how it's presented. If the school plays it up and has the media there, 'course they are going to be excited. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it's not great, I am just saying that I wouldn't go by that video alone.
[9:31] <RITRedbeard> and they differ from other distros at certain points
[9:31] <RITRedbeard> but I think raspberry pi is good
[9:32] <RITRedbeard> I just think the Foundation doesn't 'quite get' a few things much like many people don't quite get the Pi.
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[9:32] <chbg> ShiftPlusOne: oh, i know. i'm not going by that video alone. i never really take anything like that at face value. but, the fact remains that it go at least a few of the kids who partook in that class excited about comp sci, and that's the goal.
[9:32] <chbg> of course they're not going to turn everyone into a computer scientist.
[9:32] <ShiftPlusOne> agreed =D
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[9:33] <RITRedbeard> However, I think the Foundation had to make some sacrifices and that's cool; they need to stop being so xenophobic, though.
[9:33] <RITRedbeard> Other kids in English speaking Western countries could use something like this.
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[9:34] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
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[9:34] <RITRedbeard> But UK will probably get priority on orders...
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[9:34] <ShiftPlusOne> as someone from an English speaking Western country that's not UK, I have no idea what you're talking about.
[9:34] <chbg> RITRedbeard: Explain the xenophobia thing for me. I think I know what you're saying, but...
[9:35] <RITRedbeard> The whole crap about how the Foundation literally wanted to have the Pi produced in the UK, ignoring the fact they're trying to keep the price very low, and they accused looking for assembly company in UK as result of delay of release.
[9:36] <RITRedbeard> If you have half a brain you realize China/Asia is where this pick 'n place and pcb stuff is all done. Cheaply.
[9:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Bringing the industry back to UK is part of the goal...
[9:36] <RITRedbeard> So they compromised by having UK only retailers? I'm not sure if tax laws and import/export was a problem or what?
[9:36] <RITRedbeard> And also the fact that config default is for UK keyboard last time I heard
[9:37] <RITRedbeard> They need to add config like many distros have
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ..... O_o
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Now you're starting to see what it's like not to be American =D
[9:38] <chbg> does anyone have a link to the literature saying they only want it produced in the UK?
[9:38] <ShiftPlusOne> chbg, their main blog... they couldn't get it done though, too many taxes slapped on.
[9:39] <chbg> i don't think it's fair to call that xenophobia, though. :/
[9:39] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course not
[9:39] <megatog615> what's the best sdl video driver to use on the pi?
[9:40] <megatog615> i don't want to use x for now
[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> The one that works =P (I am guessing directfb?)
[9:40] <megatog615> well i will have to wait a while for mame to finish
[9:40] <megatog615> compiling that is
[9:41] <megatog615> i was going to try fbcon, then something else if that didn't work
[9:41] <ShiftPlusOne> also, if it doesn't work try running as root and if that works, fix permissions.
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[9:42] <megatog615> well so far, mame(0.14x+) has always simply segfaulted
[9:42] <megatog615> that was then, on regular debian
[9:42] <megatog615> i'll find out if my own mame package runs on raspbian(which doesn't have mame in the repositories)
[9:43] <megatog615> taking forever even with it running from qemu on my quad core phenom ii
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> too many people want too many things in Linux - hence the overload & bloat.
[9:44] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: in many ways that could be a good thing
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> Also, from my point of view, people just don't get "it"... So they re-write stuff without isong older stuff.
[9:44] <ShiftPlusOne> isong?
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> *using
[9:44] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> so even simple command-line program suffer from bloat.
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> e.g. grep - grep was once simple and if you wanted to recirsively scan a heirarchy, you'd use find, but now grep has a directory traverser buit-in...
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> and little things like that build up.
[9:46] <gordonDrogon> even before you add on all the new GUI eye-candy.
[9:46] <ShiftPlusOne> a minimalist, are ye?
[9:46] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[9:46] <gordonDrogon> probably because I'm old and stubborn and my first unix machine ha 128KW of core memory.
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> and it supported 6 people on terminals ...
[9:47] <RITRedbeard> I agree with gordonDrogon.
[9:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I used to have an obsession with keeping everything as minimalist as possible, but gave up eventually. If you ask about such things people tell you to upgrade your computer rather than actually answer the question.
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> I'm not saying we need to go back to those days, but a little bit of prespective...
[9:47] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, KISS philosophy and minimalism.
[9:48] <RITRedbeard> "Do one thing, do it well."
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[9:48] <RITRedbeard> Who said that?
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> Ritchie, or someone of his ilk.
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[9:49] <RITRedbeard> Doug Mcllroy (came up with Unix pipes / dev )
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> My suspicions is that it's people who've come from a relatively new background - e.g. Windows who've moved into Unix without having the Unix historical background.
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> So fresh ideas are good, but it's always good to respect the past...
[9:50] <RITRedbeard> Well, our industry is a bit funny in that regard.
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> MS with the whole "not invented here" syndrome..
[9:51] <RITRedbeard> Maybe we're the 1% of our industry or field but IMHO Unix and plan9 are "the future".
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> plan9 ??? Hasn't it died yet???
[9:51] <RITRedbeard> So is IBM's work with zSeries and hypervisor concept
[9:52] <RITRedbeard> Except they're not really adopted at levels I'm consciously aware of.
[9:52] <RITRedbeard> Besides deep in industry applications.
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[9:53] <gordonDrogon> the general public are woo'd by the eye candy, but I'm not always sure it's the best. but what do I know - I usedthe same window manager for nearly 20 years :)
[9:54] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, I think there is a precarious balance between the two, modern methods with older methods.
[9:54] <RITRedbeard> Just a matter of finding some middle ground.
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> and everyone works differently. I work with lots and lots of xterms - but my wife works with "applications".
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> she runs debian and gnome.
[9:55] <RITRedbeard> Yeah. Some people utilize the virtual terminals via alt F keys
[9:55] <RITRedbeard> some people have two xterms or just one and are gnu screen wizards
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> I tried tabbed xterms and didn't get on with them. bog-standard xterm for me!
[9:56] * lastebil uses tiled xterms, well, urxvt (:
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> I used to use screen too, but when was when I was using a real vt100 (and equiv.) type terminal.
[9:56] <RITRedbeard> oh, I can imagine it being quite useful
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> other use emacs to the same effect.
[9:56] <RITRedbeard> Hey, keep it clean gordonDrogon! There might be children present! :P
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> I can put 4 xterms up on a page and work to that...
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> :)
[9:57] <lastebil> he didn't mention the virus integrator, it's ok.
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> vi(m) user here..
[9:57] <RITRedbeard> I'm a convert myself.
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> to vi?
[9:58] <lastebil> So am I. I recently fixed the virus integrator, improved, so it's keys are correct. altered vimacs a bit, then modified and improved it.
[9:58] <RITRedbeard> vim, I can do vi but not so well... need my syntax highlighting, man :)
[9:58] <RITRedbeard> and visual mode
[9:58] <RITRedbeard> to yank
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[9:58] <RITRedbeard> but you can yank with ed, I think?
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> colour - something I don't get on well with, so I need to turn syntax heighlighting off all the time. it especially irritates me with the default 'ls'...
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> yes, 'ed' has yank. I use nano from time to time too.
[9:59] <lastebil> I turn it off for most everything except code; but I'm using the solorized color scheme
[9:59] <shirro> damn, I love colour in terms.
[9:59] <RITRedbeard> does ls --color do soemthing bad? like with symbolic links?
[9:59] <RITRedbeard> doesn't it actually try to resolve the links?
[9:59] <lastebil> it's a personal choice, really. I find it uses blue on blue far too much for my liking.
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> my xterm background is pale yellow - I need a higher contrast and that helps with dyslexia.
[9:59] <RITRedbeard> I was reading a piece about it.
[10:00] <lastebil> gordonDrogon: hmm, so you might get on with something like the light version of solarized. I use the dark, but yes - pale yellow, or a form of off-white is much better on the eyes
[10:01] <lastebil> I have to fix my fbterm to use solarized, and then I'm pretty well set (along with tmux)
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[10:02] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/screen.png
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> what is solarized - is it a window manager, or ?
[10:02] <ShiftPlusOne> and yet you use xchat? D=
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> Yea, I'm slowly moving to applications :)
[10:02] <lastebil> solarized is a color scheme. hang on.
[10:02] <ShiftPlusOne> (instead of irssi or something)
[10:02] <RITRedbeard> Oh no! Xchat!
[10:02] <RITRedbeard> That's okay. :)
[10:03] <RITRedbeard> I'm using XChat on W7 here... I have to learn howto configure irssi to my liking.
[10:03] <lastebil> what is that new term-based irc that isn't irssi, weechat? yes. weechat.
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> I used iirc before. Text based.
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> I still use trn for usenet ... and alpin for email.
[10:03] <lastebil> it's a bit more like a configured irssi I suppose.
[10:03] <RITRedbeard> hmm
[10:04] <lastebil> trn was the best newsreader. the threading was the best I've ever dealt with.
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> I run in a 3x3 vortual window things under xfce4.
[10:04] <lastebil> http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized < solarized
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> I live vertical height, hence moving the menu bar to one side.
[10:05] <lastebil> I've got horizontal as well as vertical monitors; I prefer vertical for coding.
[10:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I can never get used to vertical O_o
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> lastebil, thanks.
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> I only have one 1280x1024 monitor.
[10:06] <lastebil> I have far too many monitors, mostly tubes, and I need to get rid of them (:
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> I had 2 for a while, but don't have a decent pcie graphics card to drive the 2nd right now.
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> heh love that solarized is aimed at unix and is distributed as a .zip file!
[10:07] <lastebil> well, not... really (: it's distributed as git (:
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> ok, I clocked the download button and it gave me .zip.
[10:07] <lastebil> yeah.
[10:08] <lastebil> I think he links that, behind the scenes, to his github - which can do zip or bzip2/tarball - and defaults to zip.
[10:08] <RITRedbeard> lastebil, that's cool. That project is sort of what I'd like to do myself
[10:08] <lastebil> RITRedbeard: there are a few forks - and yes. it's a good set of starting colors.
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[10:08] <lastebil> since you use vim, look at how he did his vim bundle.
[10:09] <lastebil> it's actually nicer in vim than in the term (:
[10:09] <lastebil> (menu with ability to turn up/down contrast, flip from dark to light, etc.)
[10:10] <RITRedbeard> He seems like he did it pretty intensely, studying color wheel/theory, calibrated displays...
[10:10] <RITRedbeard> I want to make my own color theme and have it applicable for many applications
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[10:10] <gordonDrogon> Hm. loaded solarized, started an xterm and it's pale grey on a black background. not high contrast at all )-:
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[10:11] <lastebil> gordonDrogon: sounds like your xdefaults overrode something.
[10:11] <lastebil> or, it didn't import all of your xdefaults...
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> xrdb -load
[10:11] <lastebil> yeah, hmm. hang on, I'll pastebin mine
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> using xresources-colors-solarized/Xresources
[10:13] <lastebil> odd. well I compared, and mine is identical; but I also modified it so it would start urxvt with those colors (and not use xdefaults.)
[10:13] <lastebil> I don't have xterm installed, actually; xterm is just an alias to urxvtc
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> *background: S_base03
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> and #define S_base03 #002b36
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> so that's pretty dark.
[10:15] <lastebil> yes. it is.
[10:15] <lastebil> the light version - hmm.
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> I'll have a look at some of them later.
[10:15] <lastebil> you know, since I use the dark version, I never really noted there is no "light" version for term.
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm just old :)
[10:16] <Pitel> when I miss 3 letters from left and 1 from right, how should I set overscan? How many pixels is one letter?
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[10:16] <lastebil> there definately is for the vim bit - you just select the item in the menu (or trigger the equivalent option when not using a menu)
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> Pitel, do you have disable_overscan=1
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> in /boot/config.txt ?
[10:16] <lastebil> Pitel: In my case, I told my boot script to not do overscan.
[10:16] <lastebil> what gordon said (:
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> if you do, then comment it out.
[10:17] <Pitel> gordonDrogon: lastebil nope, nothing about overscans in config
[10:17] <Pitel> I am using RCA connection to old TV
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> ok. tweak the TV controls then.
[10:17] <Ben64> overscan settings don't affect playback for some reason
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> I think the defaults are set faily agressively though.
[10:18] * lastebil heads to do some coding
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> I have this:
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> framebuffer_width=704
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> framebuffer_height=544
[10:18] <Pitel> gordonDrogon: the TV does not allow that
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> in a Pi that outputs to an old composite monitor.
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> if your running Debian, it will chop off 32 pixels each side on those values. That will give you a 640x480 pixel screen.
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> if you are in the US that will probably not work.
[10:19] * lastebil will check with arch later
[10:19] <Ben64> gordonDrogon: framebuffer_width and height exist?!
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> Ben64, sure.
[10:19] <Ben64> :o
[10:19] <Ben64> i tried all sorts of overscan settings to no avail
[10:20] <Pitel> framebuffer_width console framebuffer width in pixels. Default is display width minus overscan.
[10:20] <Pitel> framebuffer_height console framebuffer height in pixels. Default is display height minus overscan.
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> the overscan is 32 pixels each side, top and bottom.
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> so use hose numbers to get 640x480
[10:20] <lastebil> US composite monitors past 1988 or so genearlly could do that size. It depends if it is set to 60hz, 50hz, or vga signalling
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> with #disable_overscan=1 (ie. commented out so we are using overscan)
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[10:22] <gordonDrogon> This: http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg Pi on old monitor running at 640x480 - with 80 column text just readable.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> Monitor is 30 years old...
[10:24] <lastebil> majority of monitors I know that are that age are Commodore 1084s monitors, and those do both NTSC and PAL (switchable; I forget if it's on front or back panel switch)
[10:24] <lastebil> personally, when I had the ability finally to do PAL display, I switched; the extra lines helped greatly.
[10:25] <lastebil> (but that was on Amiga.)
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[10:27] <gordonDrogon> back inna bit... stuff to do.
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[10:32] <megatog615> has anyone compiled sdlmame for the pi before(not advancemame)?
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[10:33] <Pitel> it seems 8 is width of oe letter. so overscan_left=24 and I see everything :)
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[10:40] <frankivo> so, about that Hybridsix guy
[10:40] <frankivo> :+
[10:41] <RITRedbeard> yeeeeeeeeah
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[10:43] <friggle> new iteration of my debian wheezy image should hit raspberrypi.org later today. Thanks all for testing
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[10:44] <frankivo> friggle: updates? :)
[10:44] <frankivo> anything in particular?
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[10:47] <friggle> frankivo: now ships with newer firmware including zgreg's sd card stuff. updates are now delivered via an official raspberrypi.org apt repo. various misc tweaks, though nothing mindblowing
[10:48] * Milos 's mind blows up
[10:48] <Milos> poof
[10:48] <frankivo> :P
[10:48] <frankivo> friggle: cool
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> is zgreg's sd stuff in the kernel that bootc is maintaining?
[10:48] <frankivo> thanks for the infoi
[10:49] <Milos> gordonDrogon, yup
[10:49] <Milos> it has all the latest stoofs
[10:49] <bootc> gordonDrogon: yes, in my latest 3.2.20 branch
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> ok. I'l need to work out how to check that out and built it over the 3.1 one I did originally.
[10:50] <Milos> bootc, do you have any plans to target the interrupt issues?
[10:50] <bootc> interrupt issues?
[10:50] <Milos> gordonDrogon, copy .config over?
[10:50] <Milos> bootc, the rpi has 8k interrupts idle, caused by USB.
[10:50] <Milos> if you run vmstat 1
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> that's the not issue - it's downloading the files off his git hub!
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[10:51] <bootc> Milos: ah, that. there isn't anything we can do about that other than disable USB :-)
[10:51] <Milos> and/or cat /proc/interrupts
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[10:51] <gordonDrogon> so I have 3.2.18.
[10:51] <bootc> gordonDrogon: git clone <my repo url>; git checkout rpi-3.2.20
[10:51] <Milos> bootc, really, you mean it's by design?!
[10:51] <friggle> bootc: well, the idea of using FIQs seemed like it might reduce load a bit
[10:51] <bootc> Milos: yes, the hardware produces one interrupt per microframe apparently
[10:52] <Milos> When I run gpsd, the interupts increase to 42,000 per second -_-
[10:52] <bootc> friggle: OK, we can reduce the load the interrupts cause, but we can't reduce the number of interrupts
[10:52] <friggle> bootc: no, people have played with disabling then re-enabling interrupts but you end up with missing keypresses etc
[10:52] <Milos> Can't reduce the polling / clock time?
[10:53] <Milos> Does it really need all those interrupts?
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> so git clone https://github.com/bootc/linux.git ; git checkout rpi-3.2.20 ?
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[10:55] <Milos> gordonDrogon, you need to change directories first I think.
[10:55] <Milos> I'm also a bit new to git.
[10:56] <Milos> But that sounds right apart from the directory.
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> yea, me too - learning slowly!
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[10:56] <reider59> << swapping my 8gb and 4gb cards around so Debian Squeeze goes on the smaller one and the new Debian Wheezy goes on the larger one, when it's released
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> doing it into a fresh directoyr.
[10:56] <Milos> gordonDrogon, you might be wanting to use --depth=1
[10:56] <Milos> Unless you want absolutely every revision.
[10:56] <Milos> Because that's what it does when you clone it.
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[10:57] <haltdef> when it's released? wut
[10:57] <bootc> gordonDrogon: if you already have a checkout of my 3.2.19 code, cd into that directory then 'git fetch --all'
[10:57] <Milos> When is what released?
[10:57] <bootc> when that's done, 'git checkout 3.2.20'
[10:57] <haltdef> nothing stopping you from having wheezy now
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[10:57] <gordonDrogon> bootc, ah, that might be quicker.
[10:57] <Milos> bootc, does that reduce downloads?
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> ah, I had .18 though.
[10:57] <bootc> Milos: yes, a lot
[10:57] <Milos> :D
[10:57] <bootc> gordonDrogon: same thing
[10:57] <Milos> gordonDrogon, still
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> ok
[10:58] <reider59> the beta is what I want, not the alpha
[10:58] <bootc> as long as it's a clone of my repo (or it's been added as a remote to another repo)
[10:58] <cjbaird> Has it been mentioned that it looks like the Australian Farnell/Element14 shipment for last June has arrived a week early...?
[10:58] <cjbaird> *for late June
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[10:58] <reider59> it`s being propagated now
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> remote: Counting objects: 546327
[10:59] <Milos> bootc, could I clarify one thing with you recarding init_emmc_clock. There's a definition of this in a .c file, as well as the firmware. What is the difference, do you know? Does one take precedence and the other one syncs, or?
[10:59] <Milos> s/reca/rega/
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[10:59] <haltdef> oh, they're making wheezy stable soon?
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[11:00] <reider59> well, not sure about stable, it`s a beta. But the last I was told, it's a final beta
[11:00] <bootc> Milos: the one in the firmware/config.txt sets the actual clock, the one in the source should match so the divider is calculated properly
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[11:00] <bootc> (the one in the sdhci driver doesn't _set_ the clock, but works out the divider from what it thinks the clock speed should be)
[11:01] <reider59> or could be considered as one
[11:01] <haltdef> are you talking about a pi image or debian itself?
[11:01] <Milos> bootc, does that mean if I want to increase the clock, I need to recompile the kernel? Currently I am not doing so and I have my init_emmc_clock set to 80MHz, while I think the new kernel has this as 50Mhz, but I get 33MB/s read and 30MB/s write. Could this cause problems?
[11:01] <haltdef> I;m running debian wheezy on my pi, it's solid
[11:01] <haltdef> raspbian's armhf rather than official armel
[11:01] <bootc> Milos: your firmware and kernel really have the match up or you'll get issues
[11:01] <reider59> the one out now is the alpha, the beta has been worked on too
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[11:01] <bootc> believe it or not the 50MHz is _faster_ than the 80MHz
[11:02] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8071&f=50
[11:02] <bootc> (because 50/1 is 50MHz and 80/2 is 40MHz, and the speed has to be strictly <= 50MHz)
[11:02] <Milos> bootc, but when I removed the init_emmc_clock=80*10^6 then I could only get 25MB/s read/write.
[11:02] <Milos> I will test again though in case I confused this with anything.
[11:03] <bootc> you'll want both the latest firmware and the latest kernel at the same time
[11:03] <reider59> Page 7, post by asb....."Everyone, thanks for your help in testing. A new version of the image is now being propagated to the raspberrypi.org download system."
[11:03] <bootc> or you will either overclock your SD card or underclock it, and it may not even boot at all
[11:03] <Milos> bootc, I have your 3.2.19 currently, compiled 16th US time.
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[11:03] <bootc> Milos: 3.2.19 is for the old firmware and 80Mhz, 3.2.20 is for the new firmware and 50MHz
[11:04] <Milos> Oh wow fast changes!
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[11:04] <gordonDrogon> Seems to be taking forever to do the fetch - how long shoud it take?
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> doesn't seem to be using any cpu or network...
[11:04] <bootc> gordonDrogon: depends how much it fetched last time
[11:04] <bootc> what does it say it's doing?
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> ah, just moved to saying compressing objects (28%)
[11:05] <Milos> bootc, are you saying it's not possible to overclock higher than that setting because the divider has to make it less than or equal to 50MHz, or is that only because 50MHz is what is set in the .c file, and if I modify that then I can overclock higher?
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> now recieving... guess I was just too twitchy :)
[11:05] <bootc> gordonDrogon: could be GitHub being slow as everyone around the world updates their repos first thing on Monday
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> that might be it!
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[11:06] <bootc> Milos: the SD standard says you can't run the card oer 50MHz (unless you use UHS modes, but then you have to go down to 1.8V which the Pi can't do)
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> so with 3.2.20, do I need the emmc line in config.txt?
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[11:06] <bootc> if your kernel thinks the clock runs at 50Mhz (e.g. my 3.2.20 kernel) but your firmware runs it at 80MHz, you'll actually run the card at 80MHz, thus a big overclock
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[11:07] <Milos> Oh :D
[11:07] <bootc> gordonDrogon: no, you shouldn't be setting the emmc clock anymore
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[11:07] <Scepterr> has there been any progress on a multiboot bootloader ?
[11:07] <bootc> Milos: that's likely to cause your Pi not to boot, or to get data errors on your SD, or even burn out the SD card
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> think I'll go & make a coffee while it's downloading.
[11:07] <bootc> Scepterr: there has been some interesting work on getting u-boot running on the Pi lately
[11:07] <ant_work> don't you have working kexec finally?
[11:08] <Scepterr> was wondering about uboot
[11:08] <bootc> kexec itself works fine now, yes - but the VC still gets confused about being initialised twice
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> I know little about u-boot, but those I've talked to about it seem to dislike it - a lot...
[11:08] <ant_work> ah, ok. btw we added ubifs boot to kexecboot
[11:08] <bob_binz> @bootc, sorry if this has been asked before - are you still applying updates to the .19 branch, or only .20 now?
[11:08] <Scepterr> possibly borrowing one of the implementations from a CyanogenMod device
[11:08] <Milos> bootc, I did pay a lot for this SD card, it's the Sandisk Extreme Pro 95MB/s, so I am trying to get it to run as fast as possible. I did have some fs errors out of the blue, but I don't know if this is directly related as I accidentally power-cycled the device while in use.
[11:09] <bootc> bob_binz: once a new 3.2.X branch comes out I freeze the previous ones
[11:09] <Scepterr> can get 95MB/s i/o on the device ?
[11:09] <Milos> No.
[11:09] <bootc> Milos: best bet is 50MHz all round then
[11:09] <bootc> Scepterr: no, that would require UHS modes that the Pi can't do
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[11:09] <Milos> I've hit 33MB/s read maximum, 30MB/s write maximum: www.wut.co.nz/images/pi-sd.jpg and yes I did it with hdparm as well before you complain I wasn't doing it at the block level.
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[11:09] <bob_binz> ok, thx - I re-fetched 3.2.19 a couple of days ago, but I guess it was already frozen by then
[11:09] <Scepterr> whats the fastest you guys have seen
[11:09] <bootc> fastest possible speed without overclock is 25MB/sec
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[11:09] <Scepterr> cool
[11:10] <Scepterr> read ?
[11:10] <Milos> Same.
[11:10] <kghost> why not use a USB adapter ?
[11:10] <bootc> that's 50MHz and 4 channels, and assuming no overheads
[11:10] <Milos> Without overclock the interface limits to 25MB/s in both directions.
[11:10] <bootc> kghost: you could do, but you can't boot from those
[11:10] <Scepterr> i should get a full sd card and stop using microsd's :p
[11:10] <bootc> (and the USB isn't very stable)
[11:10] <bootc> microsd cards are just fine
[11:10] <Milos> It's a lot cooler to have a slim SD card than use up a USB slot I don't have.
[11:11] <kghost> bootc: I didn't see why I can't
[11:11] <Milos> Yeah USB really does cause problems thank you for saying that.
[11:11] <Milos> My 3G dongle randomly "disconnects".
[11:11] <Milos> Like physically.
[11:11] <Milos> As said by dmesg, but it's still plugged in.
[11:11] <bootc> kghost: because the VC won't load a kernel off a USB connected SD card, only from the built-in slot
[11:11] <Scepterr> got an awesome 2 part belkin 7 port usb hub
[11:11] <bob_binz> so next newb question, how do I update my local git folder to update from the .20 branch (i.e. to update the .19)
[11:11] <bootc> Milos: that would be because the ports are current limited to 140mA each, and your 3G dongle _will_ draw more current than that
[11:12] <Milos> bootc, I have a USB Y-cable; without it it doesn't work at all.
[11:12] <kghost> bootc: yes, we need put the kernel in sd slot, but we can put whole system in usb adapter
[11:12] <Milos> bootc, but I am worried it's drawing power from possibly the wrong end of the Ycable.
[11:12] <Scepterr> http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2-0-7-PORT-HUB/dp/B000TTTJ36
[11:12] <Milos> bootc, but I really don't want to get down and dirty with the cabling and cut power to the pi.
[11:13] <bootc> bob_binz: 09:55 <+bootc> gordonDrogon: if you already have a checkout of my 3.2.19 code, cd into that directory then 'git fetch --all'
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[11:13] <bootc> 09:55 <+bootc> when that's done, 'git checkout 3.2.20'
[11:13] <Milos> It will work stable for a day and randomly disconnect, anyhow.
[11:13] <Scepterr> the male usb port on the 4 port part rotates 360
[11:13] <bootc> kghost: yes, you can do that
[11:13] <bob_binz> ok, thx bootc, and sorry for not reading back!
[11:13] <bootc> :-)
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> Hm. neither my Pis have come up after the latest rpi-update )-: That's a bother.
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> ah, that's installed a new kernel, hasn't it.
[11:14] <Milos> Just do it manually.
[11:15] <kghost> USB 2.0 is 480Mbit/s, so we can get 60MB throughtput, is there any faster interface on pi ?
[11:16] <Milos> No.
[11:16] <bubu\a> raspberrypi arriving in 9 weeks!
[11:16] <bootc> kghost: no, and I dare say you'll never get 60MB/sec from USB either
[11:16] <Milos> kghost, that's exclusing any overhead.
[11:16] <Milos> s/exclus/exclud/
[11:16] <Milos> And unfortunately there is a lot of overhead.
[11:16] <fALSO> lol 60mb/s
[11:16] <fALSO> good luck
[11:17] <Milos> fALSO, given your typing 60mb/s is very feasible.
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[11:17] <fALSO> :-P
[11:17] <bootc> ehehehe yes :-P
[11:17] <bob_binz> the 'git checkout 3.2.20' gives "error: pathspec '3.2.20' did not match any file(s) known to git." what've I done wrong?
[11:18] <Milos> Did you change directories to the new folder?
[11:18] <bootc> bob_binz: git checkout rpi-3.2.20
[11:18] <Milos> Oh.
[11:18] <bootc> my mistake
[11:18] <bob_binz> ahh, cool thanks - should have spotted that myself tbh
[11:19] <kghost> my pi can't shutdown monitor, is APM module enabled ?
[11:19] <kghost> I'm using debian
[11:20] <bootc> APM has nothing to do with it, but the monitor shutdown (I assume over HDMI) would have to be done with coordination from the VC
[11:20] <Milos> Mine doesn't turn the monitor off either.
[11:20] <bootc> I don't know if that coordination exists or not at the moment
[11:21] <Milos> It's not a biggie anyway, the bi'll be on as long as you supply power.
[11:21] <Milos> s/bi/pi/
[11:21] <reider59> once you see "halted" (I think) in the CLI it`s ready to turn off. Same from the desktop.
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[11:22] <kghost> I'm using HDMI, so is there any way to auto turn off monitor, when idle ?
[11:24] <Milos> Not that I know of.
[11:25] <kghost> hardware limit ?
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[11:25] <reider59> I don`t think the OS has that built in, it also needs the capability built into the HDMI cable as well as the OS I believe, so I read.
[11:25] <reider59> Not all HDMI cables are equal
[11:25] <Dysk> Uh...
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[11:28] <friggle> sounds like it should be possible through hdmi-cec
[11:28] <friggle> assuming you mean actually turn off, rather than go in to standby
[11:29] <kghost> I mean go to standby
[11:29] <kghost> is it possible ?
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[11:32] <blkhawk> kghost: no idea
[11:32] <blkhawk> kghost: the RPI is fairly low power so it might not have to
[11:34] <kghost> but my monitor is not low power
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[11:36] <adrian|work> morning al
[11:36] <adrian|work> +l
[11:38] <RITRedbeard> hi
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[11:39] <kghost> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=7570
[11:39] <chbg1> on archlinux, when i start x, i'm getting: "/usr/bin/startx: line 174: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device" along with "/usr/bin/X: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebuyer.com/387370-transcend-32gb-class-4-secure-digital-high-capacity-card-ts32gsdhc4 - i SUSPECT someoe's already liked this
[11:40] <kghost> I got transcend 32gb class10 for my phone
[11:40] <Dysk> chbg1, looks like you've run out of space on your SDcard? what's 'df -h' tell you?
[11:40] <sjc> SpeedEvil: not a bad price.. would a Class 6 not be better?
[11:41] <chbg1> Dysk: do you want me to paste the entire output of "df -h" ?
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[11:41] <Dysk> chbg1, you should be able to see how much free space there is on rootfs
[11:41] <Dysk> chbg1, if it's very little, that's your problem right there
[11:42] <sjc> If you're after a little more speed, the class 6 can be bought for a few ? more at www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001PLIG68/
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[11:44] <chbg1> Dysk: Thank you. rootfs was full. Not sure how I managed to do that.
[11:44] <Dysk> chbg1, have you resized the partition on your SDcard?
[11:45] <chbg1> Yes.
[11:45] <Dysk> Fair enough. In that case, it's down to deleting stuff :P
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.20+ #1 PREEMPT Mon Jun 18 10:39:49 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[11:45] <chbg1> However, I could've messed up that process. Going to start with a fresh image and go from there.
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> /dev/mmcblk0:
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> Timing cached reads: 162 MB in 2.01 seconds = 80.57 MB/sec
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> Timing buffered disk reads: 62 MB in 3.10 seconds = 20.01 MB/sec
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> that's raspbian. now to fixup my standard debian one.
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[11:49] <gordonDrogon> Timing buffered disk reads: 50 MB in 3.11 seconds = 16.08 MB/sec
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> standard debian - that's with a Kingston c4 microSD in an adapter. the raspbian one has a sandisk ultra calss 6.
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[11:51] <gordonDrogon> almost don't need to use eatmydata now ...
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> chbg, stuff here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/ with a bit about resizing if you're not sure.
[11:53] <chbg> how come 2 volumes are created when writing an image to my sd card (one of which isn't named)?
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> volumes? The standard debian creates 3 partitions.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> the first is fat32, the 2nd is ext4 and the 3rd is swap.
[11:55] <r00t|home> chbg: and standard "partition table" partitions can't have names anyway
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> bootc, anything I can do to stress test the sd card driver other than running (e.g.) bonnie, etc. ?
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[12:01] <Milos> my face when http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Gldt.svg
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[12:03] <rm> someone wasted so much time
[12:04] <Milos> hey rm can you type -rf
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[12:04] <rm> sure anytime
[12:04] <Milos> ;(
[12:04] <rm> :P
[12:04] <Milos> :D
[12:04] <Arch1mede> three14: you still alive?
[12:04] <Milos> lol, no he died
[12:04] <Arch1mede> did he? darn
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> Ah, SLS... I remember that well. My first Linux 'distro'.
[12:05] <Arch1mede> usually he sets himself away
[12:05] <Milos> SLS?
[12:05] <Milos> Slackware something?
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[12:05] <Milos> Oh I see.
[12:05] <Milos> Wow that was ages ago.
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[12:06] <Milos> I like how the redhat logo is missing.
[12:06] <Milos> Copyright issues, am I right?
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> Software Landing Systems IIRC.
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> It pre-dates Slackware.
[12:07] <Milos> :O
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> Yea, about '93 ish.
[12:07] <Arch1mede> something predate slackware..no way
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> slackware came out of SLS.
[12:08] <deebo> are there instructions for vanilla debian etc installs? or has everyone started with the official debian/arch imagse?
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> I've moved from SLS to Debian round about 94 I think.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> I've almost always used the standard Debian installs. I'm running Debian Squeeze on my desktop & one laptop. The other is running Debian Lenny.
[12:09] <Milos> Oldie!
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> that's me.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> I still have one server running: cat /etc/debian_version
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> 3.0
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> That's 'woody' ...
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> although it's actually sitting inside a virtual container these days.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> I keep trying to kill it off, but my client won't let me.
[12:11] <Milos> Wow nice!
[12:11] <Milos> :D
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[12:13] <kghost> is uart on pi 3.3v or 5v ?
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> 3.3
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> it's all 3.3
[12:13] <kghost> thx
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> apart from the usb.
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[12:16] <Milos> bootc, is 0x0 the correct value for PHYS_OFFSET? It forces me to set it.
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[12:18] <bootc> Milos: Ah, I remember that popping up before, a config oddity I think
[12:18] <bootc> you maybe need to set CONFIG_ARM_PATCH_PHYS_VIRT=y
[12:18] <Milos> bootc, that sounds familiar too, I think *that* popped up while I was trying to get rid of the PHYS_OFFSET thing in the first place.
[12:19] <Milos> I will try without PHYS_VIRT and see if it boots.
[12:19] <bootc> but yes I'm pretty sure 0x0 is correct anyway
[12:19] <Milos> Me too.
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[12:20] <Milos> EPMOD 3.4.0-rc2+ yummy
[12:20] <Milos> s/EP/DPE/
[12:20] <Milos> Ok, I'm not going to bother to fix that typo.
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> right now to fix avrdude again.
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[12:33] <Milos> bootc, surprisingly, no boot with 0x0.
[12:34] <Milos> I'll see if enabling the patch fixes it.
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[12:35] <gordonDrogon> is it me or is it just soooo hard to get into the debian packageing thing )-:
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[12:37] <lastebil> don't know; I'm using arch. I do prefer apt/dpkg over yum/rpm, but I don't care for either.
[12:41] <Arch1mede> what does arch use?
[12:42] <deebo> pacman
[12:42] <zag2> anyone know a good audio player for debian raspi?
[12:43] <zag2> Also looking for a video player, vlc doesnt work apparently
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[12:46] <Arch1mede> zag2: omxplayer, xbmc
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> (which could be made into a case, but probably should not.
[12:47] <Arch1mede> i donno about an audio player
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[12:53] <gurgalof> aww casedesign i found on the internet does not fit...
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[12:54] <gurgalof> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=4654&f=9 this does not fit
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[12:55] <bootc> gordonDrogon: kernel-package and make-kpkg
[12:55] <sjc> gurgalof: perhaps you should take it up with rory838 on the forum?
[12:55] <bootc> but you have to use my patched one if you're on wheezy
[12:55] <gurgalof> sjc i will
[12:57] <Pitel> I have a wifi dongle when I boot with it connected, I get lot of weird isb errors. I guess it's because low power supply (I'm using 700 mA phone charger). Will getting beter supply (1200 mA) help? Or do I realy need powered USB hub?
[12:57] <zag2> so there is no working audio player yet?
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> wifi dogle requires USB hub always
[12:58] <Pitel> SpeedEvil: well, true, I have some cheap one from DX.
[12:58] <Vostok> Pitel: pi usb ports supply too low current for a wifi dongle regardless of your power supply
[12:59] <Arch1mede> Pitel: look at the approved list first...i got a cheapo one and it was to sheap and doesnt work right
[12:59] <Arch1mede> err cheap i mean
[13:00] <jaakkos> i wonder if the usb host port's 5V supply line current could be amplified
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> jaakkos: That's what a powered hub is.
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> A USB amplifier.
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[13:01] <jaakkos> SpeedEvil: compare that to soldering a single wire on the board :P
[13:01] <chbg> i keep getting confused about what i'm supposed to do when i get prompted to upgrade pacman after running things like "pacman -Sy sudo." can someone help me out?
[13:01] <jaakkos> what would happen if you just solder the 5V input line to the host ports' supply line?
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[13:01] <jaakkos> input as in, the mircousb input
[13:02] <jaakkos> because you can draw enough current from there.
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[13:05] <SpeedEvil> If you solder across the fuses, it will probably work
[13:06] <jaakkos> i wonder why that isn't in the design
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> what?
[13:06] <gurgalof> does anyone have a case design for lasercutting?
[13:06] <jaakkos> well of course they want to have the fuses yes
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> hmm - blob pads next to the fuses would be nice
[13:07] <kghost> any guild about xbmc on pi ?
[13:07] <kghost> s/guild/guide/
[13:08] <jaakkos> SpeedEvil: input 5v directly connected to output 5v. perhaps you could rearrange the fuses a bit to have some extra safety which is not there if you simply skip the fuses like i thought :)
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[13:08] <cromag> kghost: http://www.raspbmc.com/ does that help ?
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[13:09] <SpeedEvil> A low power Pi might also be nice.
[13:09] <kghost> great !
[13:09] <SpeedEvil> You can easily half or more the power by usig appropriate regulators.
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[13:09] <SpeedEvil> (at additional cost)
[13:10] <jaakkos> the 3.3V regulator wastes a lot of power?
[13:10] <SpeedEvil> jaakkos: yes
[13:10] <SpeedEvil> They are all linear regulators.
[13:10] <jaakkos> hmm... is there also a 5V step-up regulator for the host ports? i bet there is?
[13:10] <SpeedEvil> Most of the power is - as I understand it - used at 1.8V and under
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[13:11] <SpeedEvil> the efficiecy of this is less than 5/1.8 = 36%
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> It's straight through
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> 0oqi888888888
[13:12] <jaakkos> was that a cat
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[13:12] <SpeedEvil> oops
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> vaccuuming my keyboard.
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[13:14] <Vostok> would a 500mA spec-fullfilling usb port be too hard to make on a pi?
[13:15] <jaakkos> Vostok: perhaps if you do the mod we discussed above with a 500mA fuse, that might be it
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> Vostok: it's largely pointless
[13:15] <jaakkos> why is it pointless
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> Vostok: in practice, removing the fuses will not be a problem, if plugged into USB compatible devices.
[13:16] <Vostok> making a usb port to function like a usb port should is hardly pointless
[13:16] <Vostok> SpeedEvil: then why are the fuses so limited in the first place
[13:16] <jaakkos> SpeedEvil: also, a hub has its own controller instead of being "just an amplifier"
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> It's only an issue if you plug it into a 12V battery
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[13:16] <SpeedEvil> jaakkos: yes, I know.
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> jaakkos: I was dumbing down quite a lot.
[13:16] <Vostok> jumpercable: sure, but soldering stuff is a different thing
[13:16] <mjr> Vostok, you seem to be under the false impression that 100mA USB ports don't fulfill the spec
[13:17] <mjr> that said, *shrug* to the original question
[13:17] <Vostok> well, fair enough
[13:17] <jaakkos> SpeedEvil: but simply removing the fuses probably causes dangerous amounts of current through the SoC
[13:17] <jaakkos> SpeedEvil: which is why, perhaps, doing the jumpwire is a better idea?
[13:17] <mjr> it doesn't go through the soc
[13:18] <Vostok> anyway, not being able to run wifi without a hub is major inconvenience for me
[13:18] <jaakkos> ok, i should look at the schematic :)
[13:19] <mjr> and sure, it would be nice if the power lines would have more capacity but I presume there's a reason they don't
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[13:20] <gordonDrogon> AIUI, the Pi's power limitation is from the track sizes on the 5V side of things.
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> USB is specced. at 100mA without negotiation (which nothing does anyway).
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> to get 500mA to each USB means carrying > 1A over the PBC from the power-in.
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> so it was all a compromise.
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[13:22] <bfdb> hi
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> hi bfdb hows the video looking?
[13:22] <bfdb> the video?
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> weren't you fiddling with overscan earler, or was that someone else...
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> no, that was someone else... doh!
[13:23] <bfdb> Hmm
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> too mant people with ETLA names.
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[13:26] <zgreg> the micro-usb connectors are specified for 1A
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[13:27] <zgreg> I don't think it would have been a problem to allow more than ~100mA for each USB port, but it's probably down to those crappy USB chargers why they settled for 700mA max
[13:27] <jaakkos> the schematics pdf doesn't seem to show where the +5V0 comes from...
[13:28] <jaakkos> you can see the capacitors and fuses before usb Vcc but where is the source of the +5V0?
[13:28] <Habbie> woo, risc os
[13:28] <Habbie> http://rougol.jellybaby.net/
[13:29] <Milos> bootc, I can't boot your 3.2.20 (3.4-rc2) kernel :( I don't suppose you know why?
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[13:31] <jaakkos> mjr: 14:16:17 <+mjr> it doesn't go through the soc
[13:31] <jaakkos> mjr: do you know where the usb 5V Vcc is sourced from?
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[13:35] <bootc> Milos: 3.4-rc2? I think you have the wrong branch there
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[13:35] <Milos> That's what I thought.
[13:35] <Milos> OH RIGHT
[13:35] <Milos> Crap I forgot to actually pick the branch.
[13:36] <Milos> It just hit me.
[13:36] <bootc> :-)
[13:36] <Milos> Sorry for the noise.
[13:36] <bootc> that one has no rpi stuff in it *at all* :-)
[13:36] <SLFCore> greetings
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> +5V comes from the micro usb connector.
[13:36] <Milos> Yeah I recall because I had the same problem trying a kernel.org image, just to see what would happen - nothing happened.
[13:36] <Milos> :P
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[13:37] <gordonDrogon> page 1 of the schematic has the power input.
[13:38] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: on page 3 there is the usb setup. can i assume the +5V0 there, next to C33 and before fuses etc, is directly connected to the microusb input?
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> jaakkos, the +5V0 comes from after the 1A polyfuse on the microusb input.
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[13:39] <jaakkos> alright.
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> if you want to bypass that, you can feed 5V into the GPIO connector, but it's not recommended and you'll still need to change the polyfuses on the USB sockets.
[13:40] <ReggieUK> it isn't a 1amp polyfuse on my pi
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[13:40] <gordonDrogon> it's 1.1 on the circuit diagram...
[13:40] <ReggieUK> it's most definitely *NOT* a 1.1 on my circuit board
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> what is it then?
[13:41] <ReggieUK> it's got a 7 on it, which I really hope translates to 700ma
[13:41] <ReggieUK> as opposed to the 14 on the usb polys which we know stands for 140ma :)
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> Intersting. I've just checked one of mine - labled 07
[13:42] <Vostok> ha ha. got my second pi
[13:42] <Habbie> give it away!
[13:42] <Vostok> been at the reception for two weeks i guess
[13:42] <Vostok> they didn't bother to bring the package to my office
[13:43] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, just double checking mine and it's also 07
[13:43] <ReggieUK> either way, it's not 1.1 :D
[13:43] <ReggieUK> or 11
[13:43] <ReggieUK> or some other combination that we could infer as 1.1a :)
[13:43] <Vostok> which one of these are the polyfuses?
[13:44] <ReggieUK> the little green thingsa
[13:44] <Vostok> with "14" printed on them?
[13:44] <ReggieUK> 2 up near the usb socket
[13:44] <ReggieUK> yes
[13:44] <Vostok> between the usb socket and lights?
[13:44] <ReggieUK> and there's another 1 below the microusb
[13:44] <ReggieUK> yes
[13:44] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: it does sound very reasonable to do that if your hw setup is fixed, and avoid having a usb hub...
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[13:44] <Vostok> the microusb one says 07
[13:45] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: i was thinking of simply skipping the polyfuses
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> jaakkos, the design is full of compromises - I suspect they hopefully worked out the typical target and devices vs. complevity of the PCB, vs cost etc...
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[13:46] <Vostok> has anyone actually soldered over the polyfuses yet to get wifi working?
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> jaakkos, it's possible, but do make sure the underylng PBC tracks can handle the load!
[13:46] <jaakkos> Vostok: i could try it tonight
[13:46] <Vostok> nice.
[13:46] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: good point... perhaps a jumper wire would be a good idea to be on the safe side
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[13:48] <gordonDrogon> jaakkos, probably right back from the micro usb socket...
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[13:52] <Vostok> no one at the forum shorted the fuses yet?
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[13:53] <Vostok> or anywhere else?
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[13:53] <zgreg> Vostok: people did that already
[13:53] <ReggieUK> I believe there is someone who might've shorted them
[13:53] <Vostok> with success? got a url?
[13:53] <zgreg> see http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=8591
[13:54] <Vostok> thanks, lets see
[13:54] <ReggieUK> but it's not something we would recommend anyone doing particularly
[13:54] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: yes... now wondering where to stick the other end. it would be nice to have a lot of solder area to not make it extremely fragile
[13:54] <ReggieUK> of course if people want to do it and are happy with the consequences, we can't stop them
[13:54] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: i'm thinking of the output end of the polyfuses
[13:54] <jaakkos> those are quite big
[13:55] <zgreg> the probem with shorting out the fuses is that power-greedy USB devices might trip the 0.7A fuse
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> personally, I'd go direct from the microusb to the main usb connectors.
[13:56] <zgreg> or, if you attach to the power directly, a greedy device might lead to a huge voltage drop
[13:56] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: was just coming to that - trying to figure out which pin is which...
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> you can do that on the underside of the board.
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, sort of self-limiting then :)
[13:56] <zgreg> well, anyway
[13:57] <zgreg> I hope a new batch of raspis will ship with less limiting fuses
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> jaakkos, it's easy to work out which pin is which with a multimeter - I'd suggest that if you can't do that, then you shouldn't be taking a soldering iron anywhere near it ...
[13:57] <ReggieUK> there should be caps to help cope with the voltage drops
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[13:57] <ReggieUK> that's usually what you get on a reasonable usb hub
[13:57] <ReggieUK> something like a 10uf across each vUsb to gnd
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[13:58] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: i can do that, but not when i'm at work :) however, i'm not sure if there is a chance of misinterpreting the results if you simply judge by zero resistance...
[13:58] <IT_Sean> Ahoy
[13:58] <zgreg> ReggieUK: that doesn't help if it is a permanent drop :)
[13:59] <jaakkos> but that's probably the way to go
[13:59] <ReggieUK> of course :)
[13:59] <zgreg> e.g. if you attach something like a 2.5" USB HDD
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[13:59] <gordonDrogon> jaakkos, I'd judge by checking for +5 in the right places myself.
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[14:03] <jaakkos> i'm moderately surprised i didn't find this information online :)
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[14:04] <Vostok> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VvS7NNh5rko/T903ZQuu2zI/AAAAAAAAAXA/8SoDdgoec0Q/s1600/IMG_9642.JPG
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[14:04] <Vostok> oh, they need to go like that :)
[14:04] <jaakkos> ok so someone did it :D
[14:05] <Vostok> jaakkos: http://theiopage.blogspot.nl/
[14:05] <jaakkos> so they simply skip the polyfuse
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[14:05] <jaakkos> this extra wire i'm planning with gordonDrogon isn't in the pic though
[14:05] <Vostok> why won't they just go over the single polyfuse and then the same for the other one?
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[14:06] <jaakkos> "the same for the other one?"
[14:07] <jaakkos> 2 separate polyfuses for 2 host ports
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[14:07] <gordonDrogon> as I said, I'd wire directly to the actual socket. There are 2 x +5V pins on the socket.
[14:07] <Vostok> if there's a single polyfuse anywere in the circuit, can't i just short one wire over it?
[14:07] <jaakkos> yes
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[14:08] <Vostok> why do those wires cross from one fuse to another?
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[14:08] <jaakkos> it's probably easier to solder
[14:08] <jaakkos> and have it a bit more robust, physically
[14:09] <jaakkos> Vostok: afaik that cross-soldering is functionally no different from soldering them one by one
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> the USB has 2 rows of 4 pins. One is +5, the other 0V, the other 2 are data.
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> It ought to be trivial to identify those pins, and take the +5's back to the microusb.
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[14:10] <gordonDrogon> if you're not capable of soldering 2 separate hookup wires to do that then don't even try.
[14:10] <jaakkos> Vostok: anyway as discussed, this way is potentially dangerous since there's no telling if the pcb's wiring can take the current
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> you could take separate 0V hookup wires too, but I'd start to wory about decoupling then.
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> Of-course the alternative is that you just stop whining about it and live with it. Get a good hub, or better yet, get a proper wireless to Ethernet client bridge device and hook into the Ethernet port.
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[14:13] <birdontophat> does anyone know how to persuade omxplayer to use a usb soundcard?
[14:13] <birdontophat> I gather -o is used for selecting a sound card, but only gives hints on how to select between hdmi or onboard
[14:13] <IT_Sean> what is he trying to do?
[14:14] <ReggieUK> actually
[14:14] <ReggieUK> dom mentioned on the forum that the traces could cope with 500ma
[14:14] <ReggieUK> but gert says different
[14:14] <ReggieUK> perhaps we should ask them to clarify the whole power circuit for us and it's potential weaknesses
[14:15] <Vostok> jaakkos: that's why i've got two pi's. ;)
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[14:16] <Vostok> ah well yeah, looking at this: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rutnv8_rXNI/T900pzSOvdI/AAAAAAAAAWw/QfYYAQGuYk0/s1600/2.png it's immediately evident
[14:16] <Vostok> crossing the wires makes no difference
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[14:16] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: btw, what part of the discussion suggests i have a problem with soldering these wires? valid discussions about hacking the R-Pi to do something useful are "whining"?
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[14:17] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: btw, what part of the discussion suggests i have a problem with soldering these wires? valid discussions about hacking the R-Pi to do something useful are "whining"?
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> jaakkos, sounded like you had an issue performing the relatively trivial task of identifying the pins on the USB connector.
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[14:18] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: which i clarified.
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> good for you
[14:18] <jaakkos> but let's stop it here.
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[14:18] <ReggieUK> indeed gentlemen :)
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[14:18] <chbg> why can't we be friends? :(
[14:18] <markllama> chbg: that kind of talk will get you ignored ;-)
[14:19] <zgreg> I like the idea of just sticking some aluminium foil over the fuses
[14:19] <zgreg> that's a nice hack
[14:19] <ReggieUK> I say licking your finger and shorting the 2 sides is better
[14:19] <ReggieUK> not permanent
[14:19] <zgreg> or, to test if shorting the fuses is effective, to use a crocodile clamp
[14:19] <ReggieUK> no way of a warranty void being detected!!
[14:20] <ReggieUK> j/k btw.
[14:20] <markllama> pi s have a warrenty?
[14:20] <chbg> markllama: up until that comment, nothing i've said has been unsubstantive.
[14:20] <zgreg> well, the crocodile clip shouldn't void your warranty either
[14:20] <chbg> so, i apologize.
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> I think there are good reasons for things being the way they are and have no intention of modding my Pi in that manner, but if I were, it would be 2 lengths of hookup-wire from the USB socket under the PCB to the micro usb socket (also under the PCB)
[14:20] <Vostok> gordonDrogon: and skip modding the polyfuses at all?
[14:20] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: yes, that is by far the cleanest solution
[14:21] <markllama> chbg: I'm kidding.
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> Vostok, I have no need, absolutely no need whatsoever to mod the hardware on my Pi.
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> Vostok, but if I were, then I'd bypass the fuses and the PCB tracks and go directl.
[14:21] <Vostok> yes you made that quite clear. i referred to your "but if i were" -line
[14:22] * mjr would probably go a step further into meta and just make a USB power injector "adapter"
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> the down-side is that you're then carrying more current via the boards ground plane.
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> or you simply use a powered hub and a bigger box.
[14:23] <ReggieUK> I'd just like to throw my hat in the ring here
[14:23] <Pitel> how to play music? I installed mplayer, it plays for a while, with occasional cracks, but freeze after a while :(
[14:23] <ReggieUK> they provide 5v and gnd on the gpio
[14:23] <ReggieUK> there is zero protection on it
[14:23] <zgreg> Pitel: it's the buggy alsa driver's fault
[14:23] <ReggieUK> there is no mention of limiting current via these pins
[14:23] <Pitel> zgreg: so no sound at this sime?
[14:24] <zgreg> Pitel: you can get sound, but prepare for kernel panics :3
[14:24] <Vostok> anyway just quickly back to the whining subject. my main interest with the pi would be to stick a small usb wifi dongle to the usb port and then plug it in a wall socket anywhere to get an instant server. fooling around with hubs hardly fits in well in that scenario
[14:24] <zgreg> FYI, mplayer2 works better with pulseaudio in my experience
[14:25] <zgreg> mplayer(2)'s alsa output trips a bug in the alsa driver, apparently. and pulseaudio doesn't
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[14:25] <ReggieUK> anyone tried mplayer via sdl?
[14:25] <Pitel> zgreg: but PA is not installed by default, right?
[14:25] <jaakkos> ReggieUK: doesn't sound like a solution - i suppose you still have F1 and F2 before the usb Vcc.
[14:25] <ReggieUK> maybe that talks nicely to alsa
[14:25] <zgreg> Pitel: no, but neither is mplayer
[14:26] <Pitel> zgreg: ok, just asking
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> Vostok: Plug both Pi and wifi dongle into hub - job done
[14:26] <zgreg> ReggieUK: I can't imagine that as SDL is crap in most regards
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> Vostok: An adequately powered hub, that is.
[14:26] <ReggieUK> jaakkos, of course but the point is that they've left the pins exposed, so there has got to be some merit for bypassing the input fuse entirely
[14:26] <Vostok> SpeedEvil: obviously i'm well aware that it's easily done
[14:26] <ReggieUK> of course you have to be aware that it is now unprotected
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[14:27] <ReggieUK> and there's nothing stopping you putting in your own polyfuse that's more upto the job
[14:27] <Vostok> but i don't have a hub and if i get one, chances are i'd get one that's of a wrong kind
[14:28] <zgreg> ReggieUK: I considered replacing the fuses, actually, but these SMD polyfuses aren't readily available
[14:28] <Vostok> or actually i do have those, but i reckon they won't give me over 500mA in any port
[14:28] <ReggieUK> are they not?
[14:28] <Pitel> ReggieUK: yup, sdl seems ok
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> if you want a mini nas type server thing, then you'll need power from the drives anyway..
[14:28] <Pitel> ReggieUK: occasional underruns, but no freezes
[14:28] <ReggieUK> I thought they were all over farnell/rs
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[14:28] <zgreg> ReggieUK: I can get TTH polyfuses in all sizes and values, but SMD, nope
[14:28] <ReggieUK> zgreg, did you see what pitel wrote?
[14:29] <jaakkos> but as discussed, is replacing or jumping over the fuses safe at all, if the PCB's wiring is too weak to take more current?
[14:29] <zgreg> ReggieUK: yeah
[14:29] <jaakkos> which is the motivation for doing the jumpwire like gordonDrogon has been saying.
[14:29] <ReggieUK> expect the unexpected!!
[14:30] <zgreg> jaakkos: I wouldn't go all the way to 500mA. I suppose 200-300mA should be fine for most devices.
[14:30] <friggle> zgreg: "Bad idea due to HW bugs. Please tell him that is a waste of time" was the comment I got back on your autocmd12 stuff
[14:30] <zgreg> friggle: ok
[14:30] <zgreg> what hardware bugs?
[14:31] * zgreg wants proper specifications
[14:31] <zgreg> a datasheet or something
[14:31] <nidO> this is a long shot, has anyone by any chance ever seen a powered usb hub which allows power to individual ports to be controlled by software?
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[14:32] <Pitel> okay, can I configure mlpayer2 to use hw video decoding?
[14:32] <friggle> I don't understand why these things are only released under NDA...
[14:32] <zgreg> Pitel: no
[14:32] <zgreg> Pitel: there simply is no openmax support in mplayer2 at all
[14:33] <zgreg> friggle: yes, it's just an SDHCI controller, a very unspectacular piece of hardware
[14:34] <zgreg> I can sort of understand that they want to keep parts of the GPU secret, but the rest should be documented properly
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[14:34] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LITTELFUSE-1812L075-33DR-POLYFUSE-PTC-1812-0-75A-/251002840073?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a70ef6409
[14:34] <zgreg> i.e. just like TI does
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[14:35] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LITTELFUSE-1812L125-16DR-POLYFUSE-PTC-1812-1-25A-/251002884867?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a70f01303
[14:35] <Vostok> i wonder where to get a decent usb power supply in finland
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> nokia?
[14:36] <tnovelli> friggle: what's this about hw bugs?
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[14:37] <Vostok> gordonDrogon: huh?
[14:38] <Vostok> Someone told they use a 3A usb power supply unit.
[14:38] <Vostok> i haven't seen those anywhere
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[14:38] <friggle> zgreg: this is an NDA with Arasan not Broadcom
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> Aren't nokia finnish? So find a nokia shop and buy a charger ..
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> my hub PSU is 2A.
[14:39] <mjr> I'm not sure, but nokia chargers probably carry a notable premium...
[14:39] <frankivo> nokia still alive?
[14:39] <mjr> frankivo, oh, just barely
[14:39] <frankivo> :p
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> popping off for a tick. got to tidy up a room full of Lego...
[14:40] <zgreg> friggle: yeah, I know, but broadcom and/or the rpi foundation should try to talk to arasan to make a deal ;)
[14:40] <tnovelli> cell chargers are all made in China right?
[14:40] <Vostok> unhelpful advice. nokia chargers are expensive, usually come with a wire for the phone and if you find one with a usb socket, chances are it's not more than 1A
[14:40] <nidO> why would you need more than 1A?
[14:40] <jaakkos> Vostok: checked verkkokauppa?
[14:40] <Vostok> jaakkos: doing that right now
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[14:41] <tnovelli> I have an HTC and a Motorola charger for android phones.. both about 5V 1A
[14:41] <Vostok> nidO: to power all sorts of stuff
[14:41] <zgreg> friggle: I sort of have the feeling they do not want to publicly document their IP because it's so buggy
[14:41] <Vostok> I've got a few 1A supplies too
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[14:41] <tnovelli> zgreg: haha
[14:41] <ReggieUK> zgreg, either that or there is sensitive information in there that mike make their other customers hardware open to attack?
[14:41] <tnovelli> Vostok: so 1A is not enough?
[14:41] <ReggieUK> that might*
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[14:42] <zgreg> the sdhci-bcm2708 driver contains a good amount of hacks
[14:42] <Vostok> tnovelli: What difference does it make? Just consider my question to be RPi-unrelated.
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[14:42] <Vostok> I'm wondering where to get a usb wall charger with 2-3A output
[14:42] <zgreg> to work around bugs and shortcomings of the arasand controller
[14:42] <dirty_d> Vostok, you wont, a powered usb hub
[14:43] <Vostok> i won't? absolutely sure?
[14:43] <Vostok> not even 2A?
[14:43] <dirty_d> i dunno, maybe
[14:43] <tnovelli> I don't think USB is designed for more than 500ma or 1A per connection
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[14:44] <Vostok> All my powered hubs came with real shitty power supplies.
[14:44] <tnovelli> hence the external hard drives with an extra USB plug for power, etc...
[14:44] <Vostok> 1A of current and maybe three inches of wire
[14:44] <jaakkos> Vostok: i also haven't come across powerful chargers with microusb directly... and the usb hubs don't use usb for power like you probably know
[14:44] <zgreg> tnovelli: I don't think apple cares about that :)
[14:44] <Vostok> jaakkos: yeah
[14:44] <dirty_d> Vostok, you could just find a wall wort that puts out 5V at 2A and splice a usb cable on it
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[14:44] <Vostok> dirty_d: seems to be the only option, yeah
[14:45] <tnovelli> that's a good idea dirty_d
[14:46] <jaakkos> Vostok: putting that aside, many usb hubs do have quite powerful supplies, eg. the small, black belkin hubs at vk.com are multiple amps
[14:46] <Vostok> jaakkos: got a link?
[14:46] * gurgalof is lasercutting adafruits case right now
[14:46] <tnovelli> Back to the other thread... nobody's got hw video acceleration working on the RPi? all you get is a crappy binary blob driver?
[14:46] <jaakkos> Vostok: http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/42348/chvgg/Belkin-7-porttinen-USB-2-0-hubi-musta
[14:47] <Vostok> multiple would be 2A, or?
[14:47] <jaakkos> Vostok: however if you do the PSU mod, don't seriously buy a hub, just buy a bare 5V PSU
[14:47] <jaakkos> Vostok: iirc it was 2A
[14:47] <Vostok> funny how many 7-port hubs come with a PSU lower than 7x500mA. :)
[14:47] <zgreg> tnovelli: it's working fine in omxplayer and xbmc
[14:47] <jaakkos> have those at work and home, but don't remember exactly
[14:48] <mjr> tnovelli, those are two separate matters, but yeah, the GPU is extremely closed and proprietary
[14:49] <Vostok> do i remember correctly that using hubs with pi also required that the powered hub won't draw any power from the pi's usb ports?
[14:49] <Vostok> did any of you have real issues with that?
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[14:49] <jaakkos> Vostok: for dirty_d's suggestion, any of partco, yeoy.fi and bebek should be more than sufficient
[14:50] <Vostok> sure
[14:50] <zgreg> friggle: by the way, did you get that info about auto-cmd12 buggyness from dom?
[14:50] <RaYmAn> powered hubs are decidedly broken if they need more than 100mA from host :/
[14:51] <Vostok> surely many of them actually are
[14:51] <zgreg> friggle: can you ask him if auto-cmd23 at least works correctly? or do you know how to directly contact dom?
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[14:52] <friggle> zgreg: Naren, who is the guy who should know. He doesn't believe in verbose email responses as you can see :)
[14:52] <friggle> zgreg: I'll see if I can get more info for you
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[14:53] <ReggieUK> Vostok, i seem to have issues with my powered hub and the pi
[14:53] <ReggieUK> I get a voltage drop purely by plugging an empty powered hub into the pi
[14:54] <ReggieUK> I can't plug a bluetooth dongle into the hub (2 of them, cheapo ebay $2 thing and a belkin) as it causes sticky keys on the usb keyboard
[14:55] <ReggieUK> I can plug the bluetooth into the pi directly though and it will work and not cause the hub issues
[14:55] <zgreg> ReggieUK: maybe the resistance of the upstream 0.7A polyfuse is causing that
[14:55] <friggle> zgreg: what does auto-cmd23 do by the way?
[14:56] <ReggieUK> zgreg, nope I'm powering my pi from the 5v/gnd gpio pins
[14:56] <zgreg> friggle: CMD23 specifies the number of blocks for multiblock transfers. SDHCI includes a feature to have the controller automatically send that before any multiblock transfer.
[14:57] <ReggieUK> you're talking about the 0.7A F3 fuse I take it, zgreg?
[14:57] <zgreg> friggle: currently the kernel detects that auto-cmd23 works and might use it (not many cards support it, though)
[14:57] <zgreg> friggle: if it is actually broken, too, it might break some fancy new UHS cards
[14:57] <jaakkos> is F3 really 0.7A?
[14:57] <zgreg> ReggieUK: yes
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[14:58] <ReggieUK> jaakkos, unless 07 magically translates to 1.1v then yes, it's got to be 700ma
[14:58] <ReggieUK> erm 1.1A*
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[14:59] <zgreg> friggle: I actually mean that not many cards support CMD23
[14:59] <zgreg> friggle: so auto-cmd23 isn't relevant
[14:59] <ReggieUK> anyone know exactly how polyfuses work?
[14:59] <jaakkos> ReggieUK: alright... i hope the schematic is not otherwise much different from actual product :)
[14:59] <Caver> I know if they smoke it's a bad thing
[14:59] <friggle> zgreg: ok
[14:59] <friggle> zgreg: so does the current kernel try to use it or not?
[14:59] <zgreg> yes
[15:00] <friggle> ok, so we need to check whether it is supported so we can force it to be disabled if necessary
[15:00] <friggle> supported/broken
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> https://plus.google.com/photos/111231837380609783261/albums/5755342381860267489 what a waste of time and resources IMO.
[15:00] <zgreg> I don't have any card that supports it, unfortunatel
[15:01] <zgreg> cards that support it set bit 33 in the CSD
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[15:02] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, indeed, you could lick the pi at full tilt and not get a burnt tongue for heavens sake :)
[15:02] <ReggieUK> not recommended!
[15:04] <ReggieUK> what's the difference between trip current and hold current? and which do the rated values for the polyfuses we've got apply to?
[15:04] <NucWin> does the cpu have a thermonitor that is accessable from linux?
[15:04] <ReggieUK> hold current is the current you know it's safe to put throught he device isn't it?
[15:04] <ReggieUK> and trip current is where the polyfuse actually starts acting like a fuse
[15:04] <ReggieUK> I believe that the holding current is the value stamped on the fuse
[15:05] <ReggieUK> and the trip current is usually rated as double that
[15:05] <ReggieUK> if that's all true
[15:05] <ReggieUK> then is the limit 140ma on the f1/f2 polyfuses
[15:05] <ReggieUK> or is it somewhere upto 280ma (or lower depending on ambient temperature)
[15:06] <friggle> zgreg: have you seen Simon-'s sd driver?
[15:06] <friggle> zgreg: also, you might want to hang out on #raspberrypi-dev, a number of kernel hackers there
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> I'm just about to upload a picture of my new Pi cooling systems. (patent pending)
[15:07] <friggle> gordonDrogon: watercool your pi!
[15:07] <ReggieUK> does it involve a strawberry mivi?
[15:07] <friggle> gordonDrogon: submerge it in oil
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[15:09] <ReggieUK> is it on a windowsill?
[15:09] <ReggieUK> with the window.... OPEN!
[15:09] <gurgalof> https://www.dropbox.com/s/iz7h7jviazu7njs/2012-06-18%2015.05.38.jpg
[15:09] <gurgalof> this is the adafruit case
[15:09] <zgreg> friggle: in the lp0-linear branch? yes
[15:09] <zgreg> hmm I didn't even know that channel exists
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[15:10] <gurgalof> i love having access to a lasercutter
[15:10] <ReggieUK> that's a nice neat functional looking case
[15:10] <ReggieUK> is it stackable?
[15:11] <gurgalof> not stackable
[15:11] <gurgalof> or it could stack, but not made for it
[15:11] <ReggieUK> not that I've got more than 1 pi
[15:11] <ReggieUK> but it's a feature I haven't seen on pi cases yet
[15:11] <gurgalof> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:24461 this is the case
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[15:12] <nidO> ReggieUK: there are one or two stackable cases available but they generally dont seem great, particularly for more than 2 pis
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg and http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan2.jpg
[15:12] <nidO> (i'm still on the lookout for a 5-pi case)
[15:13] <friggle> zgreg: I think rpi-split is a little easier to flick through but yes
[15:14] <NucWin> gordonDrogon is that fan not moving anti clockwise?
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[15:18] <gordonDrogon> it moves the right way to move the air over the pi.
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> well, as much air as a lego fan can move :)
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> anyway, I'm left-handed.
[15:19] <stephan48> nidO: 5pi case?
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[15:24] <gordonDrogon> looking at the front of the fan it's turning clockwise.
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[15:25] <expiation> gordonDrogon love it
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> I'm quite impressed how slow I can make it rotate. it's a 9V lego geared motor from the original mindstorms set.
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> just about to post it to the forums :)
[15:26] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, please link it when you do. :-)
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> that's an LM35 on-top of the SoC chip too.
[15:28] <megaproxy> im happy with openelec
[15:28] <megaproxy> var 1 thing
[15:28] <megaproxy> bar*
[15:29] <megaproxy> and it only seems to happen on my dads tv. But the picture sometimes glitches for a second
[15:29] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, are you pwming the fan from the pi?
[15:29] <megaproxy> then the tv picks up the hdmi again as though its just been plugged in.
[15:29] <three14_2> question for anyone who can answer -- finally got to work this morning and grabbed my powered hub that i forgot last week. should it be applying power to the pi through the usb?!
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[15:29] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=102932#p102932
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, Yes!
[15:30] <ReggieUK> :)
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, technically no, but you might find the hub does it anyway. So connect 2 leads from the hub to the pi - one usb to micro usb for power, and one for the normal uplink port to the hub.
[15:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> three14_2 - no but it may
[15:31] <dunib> megaproxy: I heard xmbc is sluggish in the menus, did you notice that too, or is it an unsubstantiated rumour?
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> now to see how much flak I get for that one!
[15:31] <ReggieUK> oooh, another thought on the pi usb, what bearing does the ethernet side of things have on current draw?
[15:31] <megaproxy> it is
[15:31] <megaproxy> if you click something
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[15:31] <megaproxy> on occasion it likes to sit there and count its fingers
[15:31] <megaproxy> then move onto its toes
[15:31] <stephan48> three14_2: i got a logilink 10 port which does that
[15:32] <stephan48> but otherwhise they work nicely with pi
[15:32] <megaproxy> oh i have a question
[15:33] <megaproxy> i have a powered usb hub. But it dosent power on unless its plugged into a device thats already on
[15:33] <megaproxy> how can i fool it into staying powered on.
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[15:33] <IT_Sean> YOu have a powered hub that only works when the host device is on?
[15:33] <IT_Sean> Sounds like you don't have a powered hub.
[15:33] <megaproxy> yea.
[15:33] <megaproxy> i do, its just from rockband on xbox
[15:33] <megaproxy> lol
[15:33] <megaproxy> :D
[15:33] <three14_2> hmm, could i cut the 5v line on the hub to pi usb? if that makes sense?
[15:34] <three14_2> so i neither draw nor supply anything to/from the Pi
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[15:35] <IT_Sean> three14: you should be able to. Just leave data +/- connected, as well as gnd
[15:35] <three14_2> ok, will probably go that route. i don't see how it could adversely affect anything
[15:37] <three14_2> hopefully i can get this wifi dongle working. was trying to rule out a power issue, but had to wait to pick up the hub. if it still doesn't work it can only be a driver/hardware issue or pebkac
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[15:45] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if that fan really does cool it at all. I suppose I could actually read the temp sensor..
[15:45] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, how does that sensor compare to a tmp36?
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> I don't know what that is - I'm using an LM35 - calibrated analogue output - 0.1v/deg C or something
[15:47] <ReggieUK> don't those hit a negative voltage if you go below 0c?
[15:47] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: lol. nice fan! just looked at the photos :D
[15:47] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/TMP35_36_37.pdf
[15:47] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, cheap sensor, but works well enough
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> volts = 5 * AnalogRead (arduTest, 0) / 1023
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> temp = volts * 100
[15:47] <trevorman> you put way more effort into it than I expected. I thought it was just the motor sitting on top of the rpi
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> Ooh there's a mistake- it's running at 3.3v not 5.
[15:48] <NucWin> rofl at linus' message to nvidia
[15:48] <ReggieUK> 'hai, plz fix, love linus'?
[15:48] <three14_2> NucWin, did you wait until the end when an nvidia employeee commented on his comment?
[15:48] <NucWin> oooh no i missed that
[15:49] <NucWin> i did watch to end but was doing other things so not really paying attention
[15:49] <three14_2> was the last question of q&a
[15:49] <NucWin> ty i shall check that out
[15:50] <three14_2> NucWin, it was sort of an awkward moment.
[15:50] <Hybridsix> gordonDrogon: you were up when I was still working lat night at 4am.
[15:50] <Hybridsix> at least, IIRC
[15:50] <Hybridsix> dont you sleep?
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> Hybridsix, I went to be at about 10:30...
[15:51] <Hybridsix> then I have you mistaken. :)
[15:51] <Hybridsix> I guess it was late. :)
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> I'm in the uk - the time s 14:50.
[15:51] <three14_2> i don't sleep much. i'm pretty much here all the time
[15:52] <three14_2> 'got the herniated discs and all
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[15:53] <NucWin> booo cant quite workout what he is mumbling about upstreaming
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[15:55] <three14_2> he was shy and afraid of facing "the torvalds"
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[15:55] <three14_2> linus' reply? if you get offended, you deserve it. (or something to that effect)
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[15:58] <zgreg> well, nvidia at least is the only way to have usable and stable opengl on linux
[15:58] <zgreg> oh, and opencl and/or cuda
[15:59] <jaakkos> radeon does better in opencl atm
[15:59] <zgreg> wat
[15:59] <zgreg> no way!
[15:59] <zgreg> well, in my experience at least
[15:59] <jaakkos> which is why i bought hd 7970 instead of gtx 680, gtx 680 seems to be slower than gtx 5xx in gpgpu.
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[16:00] <zgreg> jaakkos: that entirely depends on what you're doing and if you properly optimize for the respective gpu
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[16:00] <NucWin> think its because nvidia used its baby gpu for 680
[16:01] <Habbie> ati beats nvidia for bitcoin mining
[16:01] <Habbie> but that's a very specific application ;)
[16:01] <three14_2> lol
[16:01] <NucWin> bitcoin mining?
[16:01] <jaakkos> i came across various gpgpu benchmarks where ati beats nvidia atm
[16:02] <zgreg> AFAIK amd's implementation still requires an X server to be running, and that alone is a big issue
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. Seems the kid who started the 'fan' thread is upset at my posting.
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> Ho hum.
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> He's probably one of the ones who blasted me for my comments on magpi too, I guess.
[16:03] <zgreg> huh?
[16:04] <zgreg> oh, the magpi *shudder*
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> the magazine. I was very critical about the way they presented it - I never said a word about the content, but the way they presented it and I got a bit of a roasting for it - unjustly IMO as the way they presented it was rubbish IMO. (and still is)
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[16:05] <drazyltoo> but PDF is the format for the web
[16:05] <zgreg> yes, the presentation is and was horrible
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> I mean - hosting it on Microsofts servers!
[16:05] <zgreg> I also got flamed just for stating that
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> insisting that I download Adobe reader.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> andthat horrible page flippy flash thing... )-:
[16:05] <drazyltoo> the only way it could be improved would be publishing as a .docx
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> aargh! don't get me started again!
[16:06] <zgreg> drazyltoo: I think at first they only published it with some flash thingie
[16:06] * gordonDrogon gives drazyltoo a hard stare.
[16:06] <drazyltoo> yeah flash is rubbish
[16:06] <drazyltoo> they should have used silverlight
[16:06] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: you see PDF as a problem, really?
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, no - pdf is fine. it's the horrible page flippy flash thing I got irritated at.
[16:07] <zgreg> oh yeah.
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> and it being hosted on MS servers!
[16:07] <jaakkos> was there a moment when it was not available as pdf? i seem to recall something like that, and it was awful.
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> although there is a vertian irnoy in that.
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> yes, initially it was the flash thing.
[16:08] <zgreg> well, what puts me off the most is the appalling and inconsistent layout
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[16:08] <gordonDrogon> yes, but that's just naivety.
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> It would have been so easy to make it like "wired" magazine or Make magazine, etc.
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> web content, accessible to all, inc. mobile devices.
[16:09] <zgreg> and of the course the various spelling/grammar errors
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> I tend to not see those..
[16:09] <GibbaTheHutt> hmm tough crowd :)
[16:09] * three14_2 downloaded, but hasn't yet opened the MagPi issues...
[16:09] <zgreg> I didn't look much at the content, because there wasn't much new for me
[16:10] <jaakkos> however, give it some time :) only a few months have passed since the release.
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[16:10] <zgreg> but I can only guess it's equally bad as the presentation
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[16:12] <three14_2> wow, i do have to agree with zgreg on layout. personally i don't like the random choices of fonts. kerning isn't the best on some of them either.
[16:13] <three14_2> i suppose it's not too bad for being free and in an immature state.
[16:15] <three14_2> seems to be designed for school children more than hackers or devs.
[16:15] <three14_2> and in that sense it's not bad at all.
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> designed by school kids too - not that that's neccessarily bad.
[16:16] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, well, then that sort of kicks it up a notch then.
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> well I've replied to the fan person now.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> Looks like a few more comments too.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> heh
[16:17] <Pitel> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1139 is this still the lastest and best quake3 available?
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[16:18] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: is that on the forums? I'm bored.
[16:19] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, be a little more silly and cobble together a transistor, diode, relay and huge honking box fan. ;-)
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[16:21] <three14_2> i can see how/why the kid was offended, but fwiw, it won't be easier anywhere else. twisting wires around the pins is just asinine.
[16:21] <three14_2> 2 days ago i touched a few of the gpio pins with my finger and the Pi reset.
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[16:22] <three14_2> plus an inductive load right off the gpios can't be a good thing. o_O
[16:24] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: do you know about that kickstarter project, btw?
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=8554
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, no? kickstarter for what?
[16:24] <zgreg> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1986127174/designing-an-affordable-and-beautiful-raspberry-pi
[16:24] <zgreg> "
[16:25] <zgreg> Designing an Affordable and Beautiful Raspberry Pi Case"
[16:25] <zgreg> of course with fan mount!!!11111one
[16:26] <zgreg> it's a good idea to mass-produce cases to get the price down, but the proposed case design is just rubbish
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> yea, it somewhat sub-optimal.
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> and I sort of feel I have to support the modMyPi case, although only because it's being made in Devon.
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> Actually, I probably will never buy a case for a Pi, however...
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> I have 3 of the SKpang sandwich/open frame type things.
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[16:28] <gordonDrogon> maybe if he was in the UK ... but not with that fan on top!! That's am immediate fail on H&S grounds alone.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> it fails the 4 year old finger test.
[16:29] <ReggieUK> it fails on the random things floating around on a desk test too
[16:30] <ReggieUK> if you're going to print it anyway, why not make a cage for the fan
[16:30] <three14_2> i ordered one of the adafruit pi boxes. if it works well i'll use the files she posted on thingverse and have a few of my own made with some better material
[16:30] <gurgalof> i'm happy with the adafruit case
[16:30] <three14_2> definitely not acrylic
[16:30] <three14_2> gurgalof, does the pi rattle around or anything?
[16:30] <gurgalof> i just lasered one today
[16:31] <gurgalof> a little bit
[16:31] * markllama is buying just the right legos.
[16:31] <megaproxy> im happy with my lego case..
[16:31] <ReggieUK> I like the modmypi cases best of all
[16:31] <ReggieUK> they just look professional
[16:31] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/gR2l9h.jpg
[16:31] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/xDdGxh.jpg
[16:31] <D-side> ReggieUK: agreed.
[16:31] <D-side> i want mine now.
[16:31] <ReggieUK> failing that I'd like someone to design a case that's slightly bigger and reroutes all of the cables to come out of one side of the pi
[16:31] <gurgalof> three14_2, without sdcard inserted it rattles a lot
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[16:32] <ReggieUK> I do appreciate that the foundation set themselves some constraints on the design but it's not helpful having cables flailing around in every direction
[16:32] <three14_2> gurgalof, *sigh*. this is the problem with no proper mounting holes. i suppose i could wedge something into the case with it. what type of material did you use?
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> I like the mounting of the skpank ones, but it does make it fiddly to get access to the compost video connector.
[16:32] <three14_2> ReggieUK, agreed
[16:33] <zgreg> isn't therea bit of unused space somewhere on the PCB?
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[16:33] <gurgalof> three14_2, acrylic, because i have lots of it
[16:33] <three14_2> zgreg, under the ethernet connecter?
[16:33] <ReggieUK> I thought that using bits of polymorph and m3 screws would do the trick for mounting
[16:33] <megaproxy> ReggieUK, totally agree on the cable thing
[16:33] <megaproxy> i was thinking of changing my lego case a bit to do just that.
[16:33] <three14_2> zgreg, from what i hear, the pi with it's many layers is pretty crowded.
[16:33] <gurgalof> i will hotglue down the pi in my case
[16:33] <ReggieUK> I've seen the method used for keeping lcds in digital photoframes
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[16:34] <ReggieUK> kind of like a cable clip but using a bolt to attach it instead of a pin
[16:34] <ReggieUK> then you just get the pi in place, tighten each of the bits of plastic and they naturally push up against the side of the pi
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> the skpang method uses grooves milled into the side of the mounting pillars.
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/images/raspberrypi/pi_dev.jpg
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> but that's hard to make for a sort of box with a lid you drop the pi into.
[16:35] <ReggieUK> that's why I like polymorph
[16:36] <ReggieUK> you could easily make something to attach and clamp the pi
[16:36] <three14_2> ReggieUK, i thought about using a dummy 1/8" jack in the analog audio out port to hold it in place since i'll never use it
[16:36] <ReggieUK> your only real issue is fixing it to the box which isn't really an issue
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> There's space on the underside to allow for 3 or 4 bumps on the base of the case to lift the board above the base and keep it level.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> Then you need long pillars on the lid to give some vertical force down to keep in in-place.
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[16:37] <reider59> I`ve got an acrylic case that flips open like a hinge on th elongest side and that unlocks the shortest side. You can guess that th ePi just slides in and out. Brilliant concept and just works. In the meantime, though never wanting a sandwich case, I used a link Gordon gave out and got one with a breadboard and a few bits and pieces with it. To be honest I like that the best
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/raspberry-pi-cover-with-breadboard-area-clear-p-1095.html
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> with the starter kit, etc.
[16:38] <three14_2> the whole ethernet/usb connecters not extending out the same distance gives me the red-ass too, but it's manageable.
[16:38] <dirty_d> what the hell is polymorph
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> malliable plastic.
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> heat it, mould it, cool it and it sets.
[16:39] <ReggieUK> malleable at >60c
[16:39] <dirty_d> this must be the future
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> bit liek re-usable sugru - and more expensive.
[16:39] <reider59> This is the one I got and like the best.....http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-a-p-1070.html
[16:39] <fALSO> guys
[16:39] <fALSO> are there any news on the Pi drivers?
[16:40] <ReggieUK> I think you could use something like a servo horn too
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> what drivers, fALSO
[16:40] <fALSO> 2d drivers for X
[16:40] <three14_2> maybe he means accelerated X drivers
[16:40] <fALSO> and 3d
[16:40] <fALSO> and also, ALSA sound drivers
[16:41] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, three14_2, http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachments/radio-electronics/669720d1290316150-aluminum-servo-horn-screw-lhrcm5701.jpg
[16:41] <three14_2> there's already alsa
[16:41] <ReggieUK> obviously a plastic one
[16:41] <fALSO> im thinking about buying a pi, but without those... i wont
[16:41] <fALSO> theres already a WORKING alsa driver?
[16:41] <fALSO> ie.. you can use for example aumix and mpg123 ?
[16:41] <ReggieUK> m3 bolt goes through the centre bit, as you're tightening it, it will naturally engage with the side of the pi
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, ah right.
[16:42] <ReggieUK> doesn't have to be that big
[16:42] <three14_2> falso, yes, it works, but quality of it through the analog 1/8" jack sounds like you're inside of a tin can wrapped in plastic grocery bags.
[16:42] <ReggieUK> maybe raised with a washer if you want to make sure the pi really doesn't fall out, so that the 'arm' goes over the top of the pi
[16:42] <fALSO> bleh....
[16:43] <fALSO> well thanks for the info
[16:43] <three14_2> falso, apparently hdmi is much better
[16:43] <fALSO> i think im going to wait for the raspberry pi 2
[16:43] <fALSO> :-P
[16:43] <ReggieUK> seems like a reasonable solution for any case without taking any extra space up tbh
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[16:43] <three14_2> might be awhile
[16:43] <markllama> really, if I build a media device out of an ARM, I'm going to get a thinslice or something like it.
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[16:43] <fALSO> three14_2, i have time. :)
[16:44] <fALSO> i will continue playing with the arduino in the meanwhile
[16:44] <markllama> You do kindof get what you pay for and a Pi is designed for teaching.
[16:44] <three14_2> fALSO, i'd go ahead and register interest now, and when you're selected to place an order, re-check the status of audio and accelerated X drivers. if the state hasn't changed, give someone your token.
[16:44] <fALSO> i believe because of the PI chip being so closed
[16:45] <markllama> but at $35US, I can afford to play with it and see what it can do.
[16:45] <fALSO> i guess that there will never be drivers for X
[16:45] <three14_2> fALSO, i wouldn't be that pessamistic, lol
[16:45] <fALSO> and from what i've read, the "cpu" of the pi its in it END-of-LIFE
[16:45] <hamitron> at least he won't be disappointed ;)
[16:45] <three14_2> pessimistic*
[16:45] <fALSO> so surely, a PI 2 will come out soon :)
[16:45] <dirty_d> PI 3.14159
[16:45] <fALSO> and maybe with better support and fixed bugs
[16:46] <markllama> not pi 2. Tau
[16:46] <fALSO> hehehe dirty_d :-P
[16:46] <cehteh> 1-2GB RAM please :)
[16:46] <fALSO> I will keep coming here once a while and ask you guys the same thing :-)
[16:46] <hamitron> you don't think they may extend the life of the current cpu, because of the increased demand?
[16:46] <three14_2> boysenberry tau
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> a-ha! the fan does make the temp. go down!
[16:46] <fALSO> its very weird that isnt a STATUS page on the main site
[16:46] <fALSO> with info about these issues
[16:46] <fALSO> i have to come here and bug you guys out :)
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> fALSO, it's a community driven project as much as anything - check the forums...
[16:47] <markllama> fALSO: Pi is a research/charity project. It gets what people contribute mostly.
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> chip temp has gone from 37C down to 30C :)
[16:47] <ReggieUK> nice
[16:47] <hamitron> gordonDrogon, what this on?
[16:47] <ReggieUK> when are you adding the peltier?
[16:48] <three14_2> jesus, a peltier
[16:48] <fALSO> did broadcom release any info about how the VIDEOCORE works ?
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> hamitron, http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg
[16:48] <fALSO> at a hardware level...
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> fALSO, you know that's not going to happen.
[16:48] <fALSO> hum, OK!
[16:48] <hamitron> you have got to be kidding me
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> now down to 28.1
[16:48] <hamitron> hahaha
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> see fan2.jpg too.
[16:49] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, are you overclocked?
[16:49] <fALSO> that should also be on the PI site
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, yea, that's running at 900MHz.
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[16:49] <hamitron> first person to break 4ghz wins a sticky badge
[16:49] <three14_2> fALSO, i believe Eben said on multiple occasions that only certain info had been publically released and that more in-depth details required an NDA
[16:49] <hamitron> ;/
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> ok. stopped the fan, lets see it rise :)
[16:50] <fALSO> so,, its better to forget about having a smooth X usage
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> yes, temp is slowly rising again :)
[16:50] <fALSO> thats too bad, i had a few ideas :)
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> fALSO, do you have a Pi yet?
[16:51] <fALSO> i dont know if i should buy one or not
[16:51] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, same, 900MHz here as well. any changes to sdcard/gpu/or sdram speeds?
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> fALSO, have you actually used one at all?
[16:51] * markllama really agonized over $35US (x2)
[16:51] * markllama has to stop the snark, sorry.
[16:51] <fALSO> just saw the videos
[16:51] <fALSO> that poeple post on youtube etc
[16:51] <three14_2> fALSO, like i said. register interest now, and then check pack when it's your turn to order. if it still sucks, give a dev or a kid your token.
[16:51] <three14_2> :-)
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, I had sram up t 500 but it didn't work the hello_triaingle reliably. (on one Pi, on another it was ok
[16:52] <fALSO> well, but do i HAve to pay now?
[16:52] <hamitron> no
[16:52] <fALSO> or just when its "ready" ?
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[16:52] <hamitron> you are only applying to get a ticket to give you the option to buy
[16:52] <nidO> both farnell and rs will charge you when they actually ship your pi
[16:52] * hamitron is waiting for his
[16:52] <three14_2> fALSO, no. you are just "taking a number"
[16:53] <fALSO> those sell to private persons?
[16:53] <nidO> yes
[16:53] <fALSO> or do i have to use a COMPANY ?
[16:53] <hamitron> any idea what the queue is like now?
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> oh stop trolling. you've been through this several times in the past.
[16:53] <three14_2> you can fill in "twigs & berries" for your company if you want.
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> fALSO, ^^
[16:53] <NucWin> so anyone want to test a perl module for gpio access for me?
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[16:54] <nidO> hamitron: according to the rs site, registrations of interest now can be expected to be delivered in about 16 weeks
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> does it use /sys/class/gpio ?
[16:54] <NucWin> yes
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> should just work then. How areyou handling the root acces reuired for export?
[16:54] <NucWin> i started by looking at the python module
[16:54] <hamitron> hmmm, can't remember which I registered interest with
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[16:54] <hamitron> farnell I think
[16:55] <frankivo> has farnell shipped anything?
[16:55] <NucWin> hamitron im not
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> I have one Pi from Farnell.
[16:55] <NucWin> as i dont have a pi ive not found these things out yet
[16:55] <frankivo> gordonDrogon: ah, thanks
[16:55] <nidO> my farnell pi arrived a good month and a half ago
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> and 2 from RS.
[16:55] <frankivo> nidO: :)
[16:55] <three14_2> Element14 had excellent service for me. RS, on the other hand, still hasn't shipped my second on. But I believe gordonDrogon had great luck with RS. I guess it's luck of the draw.
[16:55] <hamitron> I'm thinking I'll get a de0-nano at same time
[16:55] <hamitron> :)
[16:55] <frankivo> I have a RS PI :)
[16:55] <frankivo> but havent heared from farnell
[16:56] <frankivo> after giving my CC details :p
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> one of my "RS" ones was realyl ebay.
[16:56] <nidO> Farnell got my pi to me about 3 and a half weeks before RS, i've received them both though
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[16:56] <sjc> three14: RS were great with me, Farnell (element14) were awful
[16:57] <nidO> (I probably registered interest with farnell 5 seconds before rs, hence the extra few weeks queue)
[16:57] <three14_2> sjc, as i suspected. luck of the draw.
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[16:57] <drazyltoo> had a Pi from both Farnell and RS, the RS one went to a friend
[16:57] <markllama> mine arrived from element14 fine. Still waiting for one from RS.
[16:58] <markllama> though if they weren't wildly wrong on my order form it should be shipping Real Soon Now.
[16:58] <NucWin> kinda wish they had done a better job of this one pi per person plan
[16:58] <NucWin> maybe i would have one
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[16:59] <gordonDrogon> temp 35. running hello_triangle.bin...
[16:59] <nidO> well, 1 pi per person per distributor, itd be much more difficult to do it across both of them
[16:59] <three14_2> a month ago they (RS) told me to expect it to be 'dispatched' within 3wks. so if dispatched == shipped, they're a bit behind on that estimate. not that worried since i have the element14 one.
[16:59] <markllama> It was really kind of loose and it's "per reseller".
[16:59] <markllama> three14_2: yeah, I'm not too stressed about getting #2.
[17:00] <NucWin> gordonDrogon your having too much faith with my code lol ive tried to add quite a few anti stupid checks
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[17:00] <NucWin> but still might be bugs
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[17:00] <markllama> I just went to every site I could find the morning after they opened up and registered. In time both have come back.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, I wrote a whole load of GPIO code in C.
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> Hm. seems to have stabilised at 37.7
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> what else can I run on the ARM.
[17:01] <three14_2> markllama, should never stress about #2, that's how you get hemorrhoids. Which may, if severe enough, resemble the Raspberry Pi logo.
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> anything better than cpuburn these days?
[17:01] <drazyltoo> a fork bomb?
[17:01] <dunib> I thought the 1 pi per person plan's purpose was to prevent prospectors procuring them all for profit?
[17:02] <markllama> three14_2: *grin* *sigh*
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> ah, let me try a kernel compile. I've not tried that on the Pi yet.
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[17:02] <nidO> dunib: both that, and to get them into as many people's hands as possible
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[17:02] <three14_2> markllama, i know i know, it's a tasteless comment.
[17:03] <NucWin> https://github.com/nucwin/rpi-gpio
[17:03] * markllama refrains from escalating
[17:03] <markllama> it would be fun, but...
[17:03] <friggle> dunib: there's gold in them thar pis
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[17:03] <three14_2> friggle, that's what i used to say about the old Cyrix cpus.
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[17:04] <three14_2> wasn't good for much anything else
[17:04] <dunib> friggle: probably not enough to justify melting them down for it, unlike the old mainframes
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> heh.. just running rsync and ssh is causing a high load...
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> and it's up to 40C
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[17:05] <dunib> gordonDrogon: rsync can max out my 3ghz intel cpu...
[17:05] <dunib> well, one of its cores.
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> dunib, yea, and the ssh encryption doesn't help.
[17:06] <NucWin> gordonDrogon see if it can divide by 0
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> heh
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> Hm. linux kernel source appears t obe 1.5GB. That's now right.
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> *not right.
[17:07] <hamitron> not yet anyway
[17:07] <dunib> gordonDrogon: they added a lot of cutscenes.
[17:07] <hamitron> ;)
[17:07] <drazyltoo> it's all the easter eggs
[17:08] <three14_2> frickin bink video cutscenes
[17:08] <drazyltoo> oh, and the directors commentary
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[17:08] <three14_2> a few laugh tracks
[17:08] <drazyltoo> 1.5 hours of Linux talkng you through the apis
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[17:09] <three14_2> can you imagine if everything had director commentary?! imagine the commentary for x86
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[17:10] <hamitron> people talking over each other? ;)
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> bother. don't have enough space on my 4GB SD card.
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[17:12] <three14_2> hamitron, it'd be a constant overlap when it came time for the commentary on the instruction sets and the reasoning behind keeping crap from 8088 or something.
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[17:13] <NucWin> booo nearly 4 weeks since i got to order from rs (they said about 3 weeks for delivery)
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[17:13] <NucWin> and not heard anything at all from farnell and i gave them cc details months ago
[17:14] <three14_2> NucWin, same boat here.
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[17:15] <D-side> i got my order in like 12 hours after they were finally available for order in jan/feb, whenever it was
[17:15] <D-side> i've had mine for maybe a week
[17:15] <NucWin> dunno whats going on with farnell just got some funky code that is not a proper order number and not even had an email
[17:15] <three14_2> D-side, feb 29, iirc
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[17:15] <three14_2> didn't get my order in until mar02
[17:16] <three14_2> got it jun05
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[17:17] <D-side> i got mine through an e14 company, newark.com
[17:17] <D-side> (I'm in the US)
[17:17] <three14_2> same
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[17:17] <NucWin> do they fit through the letter box or need to be signed for?
[17:17] <D-side> small box, medium sized envelope for me
[17:17] <D-side> padded. probably would fit through a mail slot, yeah
[17:18] <Habbie> my farnell pi was dropped in the mail i believe
[17:18] <Habbie> RS uses bigger boxes
[17:18] <three14_2> mine came in a brown paper package, lined with bubble wrap, inside with a two page stapled pamphlet, and a small white box containing the Pi in an anti-static bag.
[17:18] <reider59> I watched as mine dropped to the floor, through the letterbox. Didn`t quite get to the door in time
[17:18] <Habbie> three14_2, sounds like farnell
[17:18] <three14_2> element14
[17:18] <Habbie> same
[17:18] <D-side> i really want my modmypi case
[17:19] <three14_2> i was upset that i didn't get a t-shirt
[17:19] <Habbie> any news from modmypi?
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[17:19] <NucWin> well im away this week so guessing my rs one will arrive and not fit through the letter box
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[17:19] <NucWin> hope the post office keep it till i get back
[17:19] <Habbie> modmypi hopes to deliver before end of june
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[17:35] <gordonDrogon> I suspect once the injection mounds have been made, they'll be able to churn them out by the zillion.
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> *moulds
[17:36] <IT_Sean> Injection mounds? That sounds really painful! O_O
[17:36] * SpeedEvil is pondering injectable microchips.
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> I spend 5 min a day searching for keys. Seemingly.
[17:37] <IT_Sean> Why not just always keep your keys in the same place?
[17:37] <IT_Sean> My keys are always in one of two places: On my bedside table, or in my pocket. As a rule.
[17:37] * SpeedEvil stabs IT_Sean in the face with keys.
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> Wait.
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> Where did my keys go.
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> Damn.
[17:38] <IT_Sean> WTF!!!???
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> My keys migrate.
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> Sorry - /me is feeling silly.
[17:38] <nidO> I bought my mum a keyfinder a couple of years ago, shes always losing hers
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> Totally exhausted after just doing way too much.
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> Minimal barriers between thinking and pressing enter have dissapeared.
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> nidO: I want to make a peoper one of those.
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> Which can recognise a whistled tune.
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> Even at slight pitch and speed variations.
[17:39] <nidO> my mum cant whistle, I got her one which comes with 4 fobs and a remote to activate em :P
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> ah
[17:41] <three14_2> nidO, have a whistle tip installed on her car for her birthday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqBB5BBFubA
[17:44] <nidO> luckily things as repulsively awful as that would be illegal here
[17:45] <three14_2> i think the video's from like 2003. they never caught on, but the video is a classic.
[17:46] <lrvick> Has there been any progress on an accelerated openvg video driver? If so what is a page i should keep an eye on for updates?
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[18:26] <Guest20410> #raspberrypi-dev
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[18:26] <sjc> Guest20410: try adding /join ;)
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[18:27] <Guest20410> haha yeah allready done :P
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[18:35] <alex______> hi
[18:35] <IT_Sean> _______: Hi.
[18:36] <alex______> Hi, IT_Sean
[18:36] <alex______> Do you know when the X11 acceleration will be avaible for the Pi?
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[18:37] <IT_Sean> No.
[18:37] <IT_Sean> There is no set timeline for it.
[18:37] <alex______> Ups
[18:37] <alex______> My Pi is running so slow Debian Squeeze, and i think that this is the problem
[18:38] <friggle> alex______: the new debian wheezy builds are somewhat snappier
[18:38] <friggle> and raspbian probably more so
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[18:38] <friggle> but there's still no good solution to the graphics acceleration problem
[18:38] <alex______> Wheezy is better?
[18:38] <haltdef> make sure your expectations are realistic
[18:38] <friggle> alex______: yes, partly due to firmware changes, partly the newer version of midori seems snappier
[18:39] <reider59> if the Wheezy beta is as good as the alpha it's going to be quite a speed increase in general
[18:39] <friggle> reider59: just waiting for it to go live and propagate to mirrors. Of course I've already seen a few things I wish I had fixed, but that's how these things go :)
[18:39] <alex______> i'v test OpenElec
[18:40] <alex______> and is faster than Debian
[18:40] <alex______> i'm downloading Wheezy, i will test in some minutes...
[18:40] <reider59> course it is and no problem, that's what beta is for. There will most likely be a few things to look at but it's a heck of an improvement as far as I could see. Just can`t wait for it here
[18:41] <friggle> alex______: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8071 this is the one, though there'll be a a newer version of it posted soon
[18:41] <alex______> Thanks so much!
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[18:42] <alex______> Is the Raspberry Pi firmware open source?
[18:42] <markllama> I don't think so.
[18:42] <friggle> alex______: the kernel we run is, but not the stuff that runs on the 'VideoCore' or the userspace openGL ES libraries
[18:42] <markllama> I think to get commericial help they had to agree to keep it closed.
[18:43] <alex______> But, is property of Broadcom, Raspy fundation...
[18:43] <alex______> ?
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[18:44] <IT_Sean> alex______: the GPU stuff is very much closed source
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[18:45] <alex______> But who is the author of it, the RaspPi foundation?
[18:45] <friggle> alex______: Broadcom
[18:45] <alex______> Am
[18:45] <friggle> alex______: the README at https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware describes the licenses of the various files
[18:45] <zgreg> I wonder if any of those cheap SPI-based TFT displays work well on the pi
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[18:46] <alex______> Then, you can't for example modify the splash of colours at the start of RaspPi?
[18:46] <IT_Sean> The SOC (the brains of the raspi) which includes the GPU, is a Broadcom product. And Broadcom is very keen on keeping it's GPU closed source.
[18:46] <friggle> IT_Sean: in fairness, as are all the other GPU vendors at the moment :/
[18:47] <alex______> I don't know why Broadcom doesn't release the GPU source code...
[18:47] <alex______> :S
[18:47] <IT_Sean> It isn't in their best interests, business wise, to release it.
[18:48] <markllama> they think not.
[18:48] <alex______> Who wants to steal that code?
[18:48] <alex______> It's only valid for that GPU, isn't it?
[18:48] <alex______> * is
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[18:49] <markllama> you're applying logic to lawyers.
[18:49] <zgreg> http://www.ebay.de/itm/3-2-TFT-LCD-Module-Display-Touch-Panel-PCB-adapter-/200475566068?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ead465ff4 <-- this looks pretty interesting, 3.2" display w/ resistive touchscreen
[18:49] <bootc> xmlich02: no worries :-)
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[18:49] <alex______> zgreg, iPhone screen doesn't works directly on the RPi?
[18:50] <zgreg> alex______: no
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[18:50] <alex______> i'v readed that can be used directly throught the CSI, or DSI, or..., i can't remember, port
[18:51] <zgreg> maybe some day, when there's software support for it :)
[18:51] <IT_Sean> DSI is the display port, but, you need an adapter for the display, to go between the DSI port and the LCD.
[18:52] <alex______> Amm ok
[18:52] <zgreg> also, I doubt you can buy an iphone 4 display for as little as 20 USD anywhere credible
[18:53] <alex______> OMFG
[18:54] <alex______> I'v searched "iPhone screen" on eBay
[18:54] <alex______> and only appears screen protectors, and stylus
[18:54] <alex______> :S
[18:55] <traeak> ugh trying to figure out the best place to grab new firmware files
[18:55] <friggle> traeak: github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[18:56] <three14_2> as an iphone owner i can tell you, 95% of anything related to iphones online are noob questions, scams, replacement part/repair info, and junk )screen protectors and swag) even attempting to troubleshoot a problem requires hours of pouring through junk.
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[18:56] <traeak> it's not exactly an easy place to click and download
[18:56] <friggle> traeak: Hexxeh's rpi-update, or in the new images we have firmware packages as .debs
[18:57] <traeak> running arch
[18:57] <three14_2> traeak: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[18:57] <alex______> I'v bought a new SD card for the RPi
[18:57] <alex______> and doesn't works even with the new firmware
[18:57] <RITRedbeard> I really want to convert this laptop keyboard to USB
[18:57] <RITRedbeard> but the connector is very obscure
[18:57] <friggle> alex______: at what point does the boot fail?
[18:57] <RITRedbeard> and it has conductive double sided ribbon going to it
[18:57] <RITRedbeard> like flex pcb
[18:57] <alex______> Doesn't boot, friggle
[18:58] <friggle> alex______: so you don't even get the colour flash screen?
[18:58] <trevorman> traeak: use git
[18:58] <friggle> *splash
[18:58] <alex______> Nope
[18:58] <friggle> alex______: what is the card?
[18:58] <alex______> Just stack the "OK" Led
[18:58] <alex______> * stuck
[18:58] <alex______> Sandisk HD Video Class 10 30 mb/s
[18:58] <alex______> 4GB
[18:58] <alex______> Extreme
[18:59] <IT_Sean> Ah, it's a class 10
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[18:59] <alex______> Doesn't works on the RPi?
[18:59] <IT_Sean> class 10s are a bit squiffy. They might work, but they might not.
[18:59] <friggle> yeah, though we have a super extreme sandisk class 10 here at the lab that seemed to work fine.
[18:59] <IT_Sean> Class 10s have been hit or miss since day 1
[18:59] * RITRedbeard blinks
[18:59] <RITRedbeard> I can mold the male side
[19:00] <IT_Sean> That sounds dirty, RITRedbeard
[19:00] <friggle> sandisk extreme pro
[19:00] <traeak> i'm assuming most people will just leave the default 128/128M split ?
[19:00] <ReggieUK> not sure what the huge issue is with class 10s (of course I know they're the most likely to not work)
[19:00] <alex______> I'v tested a lot of things with that "Sandisk Extreme HD Video Class 10 - 30 mb/s"
[19:00] <ReggieUK> I can understand the uhs1 cards
[19:00] <ReggieUK> as they're running at higher clocks
[19:00] <alex______> and only do the same thing, stuck in the green "OK" led
[19:01] <trevorman> I expect some class 10 cards have some cap bit set that the bootloader doesn't like
[19:01] <ReggieUK> so until zgreg/simon etc. fixed up the drivers to recognise the right cards and limit them to 50mhz, that was expected
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[19:01] <ReggieUK> but class 10s is a garuanteed write of 10MB/s isn't it?
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[19:01] <friggle> ReggieUK: yep
[19:01] <alex______> Yes, Reggie
[19:01] <alex______> :D
[19:01] <three14_2> i wonder, could he try a lower than stock value for init_emmc_clock?
[19:01] <IT_Sean> Class 10 is optimized for sequential access, though, not random.
[19:01] <ReggieUK> which should entirely be doable at 50 or even 25Mhz
[19:01] <trevorman> ^
[19:01] <trevorman> what IT_Sean said
[19:02] <IT_Sean> So, even if one does work, you won't see a speed benefit
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[19:02] <trevorman> class 2,4,6 don't mean the same thing as a class 10 even accounting to relative speed
[19:02] <ReggieUK> ahh, so the issue is not so much that they don't work? Just that they are slow
[19:02] <friggle> IT_Sean: well, true of all cards really. Though for whatever reason some of the class 10 cards seem particularly bad at that (or at least, no real benefit over class 4/6 for random writes)
[19:02] <trevorman> ReggieUK: no
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[19:02] <alex______> i'm ussing an microSD with an MicroSD adapter
[19:02] <alex______> and it's soooo slow
[19:02] <ReggieUK> I've got a class 10 8gb on order
[19:03] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: No, some class 10s plan do not work. Do not pass go, do not startx, do not collect 100 gigabytes
[19:03] <IT_Sean> *plain
[19:03] <ReggieUK> but if it's rubbish on the pi I'll just use it on my dslr anyway
[19:03] <zgreg> AFAIR class 2/4/6 also specify a minimum random write performance
[19:03] <zgreg> class 10 doesn't
[19:03] <friggle> yeah, if it doesn't even get to the kernel boot that's not much fun
[19:03] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok, that sounds more like a initialisation issue then?
[19:03] <trevorman> there shouldn't be any electrical or protocol differences between the 2,4,6 and 10 cards. it is most probably something in the CSD that makes the bootloader not like them.
[19:04] <zgreg> IT_Sean: I don't think that is something specific to class 10
[19:04] <trevorman> no access to the bootloader so *shrug*
[19:04] <ReggieUK> as all the cards as I understand are supposed to be capable of default/high speed
[19:04] <friggle> trevorman: aren't many of the class 10 cards UHS, which wants 1.8V signalling?
[19:04] <trevorman> they should still be backwards compat though
[19:04] <friggle> yes
[19:04] <ReggieUK> but of course for that to happen, the driver has to know how to recognise those cards and clock them back
[19:04] <zgreg> trevorman: not should, they must be backwards compatible :)
[19:04] <alex______> I think that Sandisk has a lot of incompatibility problems
[19:05] <trevorman> zgreg: :)
[19:05] <trevorman> idk why. sandisk was one of the companies that designed it
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> ah, more SD shenanigans :)
[19:05] <alex______> Only see the elinux RPi problematic SD cards list
[19:06] <trevorman> alex______: it is more likely that they're fake cards
[19:06] <zgreg> ReggieUK: UHS cards should be handled correctly, at least from the kernel side
[19:06] <trevorman> sandisk is a big brand so a popular target for fakes
[19:06] <alex______> Am ok
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> now getting 20MB/sec out of my Sandisk ...
[19:06] <zgreg> the bootloader still has lots of opportunities to break things, of course...
[19:06] <alex______> I'm using now an 2Gb microSD, slow, but works...
[19:06] <alex______> It's kingston and no problems
[19:06] <friggle> zgreg: though up until recently, it's been more likely the bootloader will be fine and then you get problems when the kernel sd driver takes over :)
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> it's supposed to be able to do 30MB/sec, but how hum.
[19:07] <zgreg> friggle: yeah
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> I'll settle for 20 - better than the 4 I was getting :)
[19:07] <zgreg> I don't even know what the bootloader does, but I hope it drives the cards in slow 1-bit mode
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[19:08] <zgreg> which should offer best compatibility
[19:08] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: no, it won't do 30 MB/s
[19:08] <alex______> Today at 00:30 is the Microsoft conference..., i think that the will release today Windows 8 RP (For ARM devices), i expect to see running Windows 8 on my Pi
[19:08] <alex______> :D
[19:08] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: not unless you overclock the SD interface
[19:09] <three14_2> pahaha, win8 on pi
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[19:09] <zgreg> and that is not a good idea at 3.3V signaling voltage
[19:09] <friggle> you heard it here first folks
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, I'm ok as it is...
[19:09] <markllama> will the windows first stage boot loader fit?
[19:09] <traeak> he
[19:09] <traeak> fit where? ram ?
[19:09] <trevorman> I'd be surprised if win8 runs on an ARM11
[19:09] <traeak> i thought it was armv7 only or more
[19:09] <traeak> 1GB ram or more
[19:10] <friggle> trevorman: armv7+ only, and only supported on their partners chips
[19:10] <traeak> maybe that's not a hard requirement (the ram)
[19:10] <trevorman> arm11 is armv6
[19:10] <alex______> 1GB ram?!
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[19:10] <alex______> Windows 8 works with less RAM
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[19:10] <markllama> yeah, somehow pi's don't seem like good windows candiates.
[19:10] <trevorman> you're required to have the locked signed code only bootloader as well
[19:10] <traeak> pi's are pretty slow for general use
[19:11] <traeak> with the current mess of current software out there
[19:11] <alex______> Yes, but they are capable of a lot of things
[19:11] <traeak> ie: the wintel stupidity of the past 15 years has screwed up desktop software so it doesn't scale down
[19:11] <reider59> Here,s a good quote "Warrington Collegiate have been working on getting Windows 7 (!) running on the Raspberry Pi using the VMware View Open Client"
[19:11] <IT_Sean> You won't get Win8 running on a Pi
[19:11] <alex______> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmUdPkarkQA
[19:11] <hamitron> maybe win98
[19:11] <hamitron> ;)
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[19:11] <alex______> Running videos and multitasking on an Z80
[19:11] <trevorman> reider59: -.-
[19:12] <zgreg> reider59: that's funny
[19:12] <three14_2> ugh, why win7 on a pi?! lol win2k seems like a much better and realistic choice.
[19:12] <alex______> So funny
[19:12] <alex______> :d
[19:12] <reider59> It's in the raspberry pi.org news
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[19:12] <trevorman> bleh
[19:12] <alex______> Maybe a Bosch emulator?
[19:12] <trevorman> alex______: contiki for z80
[19:13] <reider59> I thought it funny too, cos I live there lol
[19:13] <traeak> and kde/gnome/etc has all been chasing windows so the popular linux desktops are uber bloated as bad as windows is
[19:13] <three14_2> win95 ran like hell in ios on bosch, took like 20min to boot on the 3gs
[19:14] <trevorman> bochs?
[19:14] <three14_2> ^
[19:14] <alex______> three14_2, running Windows 98 in a iPad 1
[19:14] <alex______> less than 1 minute to boot
[19:14] <three14_2> and less than 1min to crash
[19:14] <trevorman> bosch makes me think of car parts and kitchen appliances
[19:14] <alex______> BSOD on an iPad
[19:14] <alex______> haha
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[19:14] <pmjdebru1jn> hi all
[19:15] <trevorman> saying win7 is running on the rpi is a bit of a stretch when you're running the vmware client. silly news story
[19:15] <pmjdebru1jn> has anybody here tried to natively build a kernel on a pi?
[19:15] <three14_2> bosch does make a hell of a nice little impact driver
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[19:15] <pmjdebru1jn> /wc/bin/sh: arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: not found
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[19:15] <pmjdebru1jn> discard /wc
[19:15] <trevorman> I bought a cheap corded dewalt for that
[19:15] <trevorman> considered cordless but I knew I'd end up killing the battery
[19:15] <pmjdebru1jn> I have to admin ATM I'm not building a raspberry kernel though
[19:15] <alex______> At least, Wine runs on the RPi...
[19:15] <reider59> I think the quote was about running it on VMware........not on the Pi directly
[19:16] <alex______> (In dreams, sure)
[19:16] <alex______> :D
[19:16] <trevorman> reider59: idk. quote is a bit ambiguous.
[19:16] <three14_2> the raspberrypi foundation shouldn't entertain such silliness as vmware/win7 on the pi. imo, it'll only tarnish their image when people find out it runs like hell and call the Pi a hunk of junk.
[19:17] <nidO> pmjdebru1jn: yes, a fair few times. you need to get hold of git, gcc and make to be able to do it
[19:17] <reider59> blame raspberrypi.org.....it`s one they put up
[19:17] <trevorman> yeah. the rpi isn't a good thin client
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> pmjdebru1jn, no reason why it's not possible. have you checked the tools prefix in the general setup page?
[19:17] <alex______> OMG!
[19:17] <pmjdebru1jn> I'm natively building? why should there be a prefix? plain 'gcc' build arm code?
[19:17] <alex______> I'm using Windows 8 now
[19:17] <alex______> and is crashing every 2 minutes!
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi2: which gcc
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> /usr/bin/gcc
[19:17] <haltdef> condolences
[19:17] <alex______> that is impossible!
[19:17] <alex______> :D
[19:17] <pmjdebru1jn> gordonDrogon: yeah
[19:17] <three14_2> Windows 8, Slideshow Edition for Raspberry Pi
[19:18] <AlanBell> three14_2: an rdp viewer will probably perform perfectly fine
[19:18] <haltdef> I normally jump right on new windows releases, but win8 .. I'll be skipping it
[19:18] <alex______> three14_2 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
[19:18] <pmjdebru1jn> Target: arm-linux-gnueabi
[19:18] <pmjdebru1jn> note the ""missing"" -none
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[19:18] <alex______> Installing Wheeze on the SD Card....
[19:18] <alex______> At 8.5 Mb/s....
[19:19] <three14_2> the raspbian net installer at 1.5MB/s is much better /s
[19:19] <pmjdebru1jn> export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi-
[19:19] <pmjdebru1jn> doing that before build seems to fix the issue
[19:20] <pmjdebru1jn> though I'm not really crosscompiling
[19:20] <pmjdebru1jn> oh wait
[19:20] <pmjdebru1jn> now ld fails, because it has no prefix
[19:20] <trevorman> eh? whats with the prefix on your compiler? if its doing a native compile then it shouldn't have one
[19:21] <pmjdebru1jn> I know
[19:21] <pmjdebru1jn> my kernel thinks it needs a prefix
[19:21] <alex______> Someday we could run ChromeOS on the Pi?;
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[19:21] <pmjdebru1jn> export CROSS_COMPILE=
[19:21] <pmjdebru1jn> so that seems to fix it
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[19:21] <pmjdebru1jn> odd
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[19:21] <DaQatz> alex______: Hexxeh is working on that.
[19:21] <trevorman> alex______: Hexxeh was trying to port it IIRC. its a bit lacking in RAM though even if you do compcache
[19:22] <pmjdebru1jn> so I've either accidentally set CROSS_COMPILE. or ... :s
[19:22] <pmjdebru1jn> anyhow
[19:22] <pmjdebru1jn> thanks
[19:22] <alex______> but in the Pi you can't do a swap?
[19:22] <trevorman> you can attach a HD or risk doing it on your SD card
[19:22] <three14_2> swap on an sdcard isn't exactly fast
[19:22] <pmjdebru1jn> buying an Industral SD (with SLC flash) helps though
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[19:23] <trevorman> slow better than not working at all I guess
[19:23] <trevorman> assuming you're okay with it wearing out your card
[19:23] <pmjdebru1jn> kernel panics don't speed up your system eiter :D
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[19:24] <three14_2> i had ok luck with zram, aside from it seeming like it pegged the cpu at times.
[19:24] <pmjdebru1jn> and having oom-killer going bonkers isn't good for functionality
[19:24] <markllama> If you're doing large memory intensive things, having swaps is better than... what pmjdebru1jn said.
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[19:24] <Pitel> http://dx.com/p/gold-plated-1080p-hdmi-v1-3-male-to-dvi-male-connection-cable-1-7m-length-24301 this is the cable to connect RPi to DVI monitor, right?
[19:24] <markllama> like compilatons?
[19:24] <pmjdebru1jn> alex______: make sure you using quality flash if you do that...
[19:24] <nidO> Pitel: yes
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[19:24] <markllama> http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Nokia-5140i-6102i-CA-42/dp/B005YUIJGS
[19:24] <markllama> but that's better ;-)
[19:25] <nidO> fwiw, compiling the kernel on the pi doesnt need any swap
[19:25] <pmjdebru1jn> just patience :D
[19:25] <dirty_d> just cross compile
[19:25] <markllama> nidO cool. I failed doing a kernel on ArchLinux on a Dockstar so I assumed.
[19:25] <pmjdebru1jn> Dockstar is Sheeva or OXNAS?
[19:26] <markllama> Sheeva I think
[19:26] <markllama> it's essentially a pogoplug
[19:27] <pmjdebru1jn> right
[19:27] <alex______> ok
[19:27] <alex______> my Pi now doesn't boot
[19:27] <pmjdebru1jn> however pogoplug pro isn't a sheeva, but an OXNAS
[19:27] <alex______> with Debian Wheeze
[19:27] <alex______> .... ????
[19:27] <alex______> :S
[19:27] * markllama got duped into buying a pair of plug4s... though I did get them cheap.
[19:27] <pmjdebru1jn> plug4s?
[19:27] <markllama> pogoplug4
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[19:27] <markllama> basically slightly stripped down rather than faster/bigger
[19:28] <pmjdebru1jn> isn't that an oxnas too?
[19:28] <markllama> but it has an esata port and an SD port
[19:28] <pmjdebru1jn> dual core 720mhz with 128mb ram
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[19:28] * markllama guesses he doesn't know.
[19:28] <three14_2> does the roku 2 hd use the same SoC as the Pi?
[19:28] <alex______> Why my Pi doesn't boots now with Debian Wheeze?
[19:28] <pmjdebru1jn> http://files.pcode.nl/nbench/nbench-raspberry-pi.txt
[19:28] <pmjdebru1jn> http://files.pcode.nl/nbench/nbench_oxsemi_nas7820.txt
[19:29] <pmjdebru1jn> alex______: are you sure the partitioning is okay? I've found that it's rather wonky
[19:29] <alex______> I'm using Win32DiskImager
[19:30] <reider59> I delete all partitions on the SD Card before changing OS
[19:30] <markllama> and write 10 blocks of /dev/zero to the front? ;-)
[19:30] <reider59> no
[19:31] <pmjdebru1jn> I think it's generally the best idea to re-use the partitioning from the reference squeeze image
[19:31] <pmjdebru1jn> and just overwrite the second partition
[19:31] <alex______> unable to format the SD card...
[19:31] <pmjdebru1jn> and particularly leave the first partition untouched
[19:31] <alex______> arggggg
[19:32] <ratherDashing> run diskpart as a user
[19:32] <ratherDashing> select the sd card, run clean
[19:32] <ratherDashing> then make a new primary partition, format it fat, then use win32diskimager
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[19:33] <alex______> i will format it in OS X... Windows is working horrible today
[19:33] <three14_2> alex______, it's hard to do anything in windows with any relative ease. at one point i had to use MiniTool Partition Wizard to remove all partitions, the Windows Disk Management to format and assign a drive number. nothing else wanted to work
[19:33] <alex______> thanks, three14_2
[19:33] <ratherDashing> diskpart works great (its windows)
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[19:34] <alex______> other crash!
[19:35] <alex______> i love you, Windows 8!
[19:35] <ratherDashing> oh i have no clue with windows 8, yer just asking for problems with that though
[19:35] <DaQatz> It fell the the sar chams
[19:35] <DaQatz> chasm*
[19:36] <three14_2> alex______, you might also try using the fedora installer tool for windows. you can select any image you want, but run it as administrator
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[19:37] <alex______> now seems that all is ok
[19:37] <alex______> i will test it on the Pi
[19:37] <alex______> :D
[19:39] <alex______> now works!
[19:39] <chaoshax> Can you use the pi as an ISP programmer?
[19:39] <alex______> what interesting thing the raspberry-config utility
[19:39] <alex______> :D
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[19:40] <dirty_d> chaoshax, avr isp?
[19:40] <chaoshax> Yes
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, yes.
[19:40] <dirty_d> probably
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> absolutely.
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> I've done it.
[19:40] <chaoshax> Through GPIO?
[19:40] <dirty_d> cool
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> Yes, via gpio.
[19:40] <chaoshax> Cool, gotta try that later.
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> I'm programming ATmegas.
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[19:40] <chaoshax> Nice.
[19:40] <pmjdebru1jn> gordonDrogon: it's probably worth writing about :D
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> I have a patched version of avrdude if you want it.
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> for debian.
[19:41] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, did you modify avrdude?
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> pmjdebru1jn, I'm in the process of putting some blogs together for ut.
[19:41] <chaoshax> Cool, mediafire will be helpful :p
[19:41] <pmjdebru1jn> gordonDrogon: did you submit the changes to the avrdude dudes?
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, I applied some old patches to it and tweaked the config files.
[19:41] <dirty_d> neat
[19:41] <traeak> hmm...looks like arch may already ship the rpi firmware
[19:42] <three14_2> traeak, should be in aur
[19:42] <alex______> I love Wheezy!
[19:42] <alex______> :D
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> pmjdebru1jn, no - it's sort of complicated. the existing patches work on 5.10, but not on the svn version of 5.11.
[19:42] <alex______> Thanks so much!
[19:42] <dirty_d> traeak, the stuff in /op/vc?
[19:42] <pmjdebru1jn> oh :(
[19:42] <traeak> three14_2: figured that out running and update just now
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> the avrdudes sort of suggested I see if I can make the apply to 5.11.
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> I'll do that once I've got this project out of the way..
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> not sure they'll make it into the official debian releases though.
[19:42] <pmjdebru1jn> gordonDrogon: avrdude -c raspberrypi would be nice :D
[19:42] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, the lego fan?
[19:43] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, what are you making with the avrs?
[19:43] <pmjdebru1jn> gordonDrogon: if the patches go upstream, it'll end up in future debian releases automatically
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> yes, the lego fan has an atmega to read the temp. sensor :)
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I'm just experimenting right now. I did make an automated weather station recently, but that was purely arduino - however ultimately it'll talk back to a Pi.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws1.jpg
[19:44] <dirty_d> what type of network connection?
[19:44] <pmjdebru1jn> gordonDrogon: calling it raspberrypi-gpio would probably make more sense :)
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> it's -c gpio
[19:44] <pmjdebru1jn> it's not raspberry specific?
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, network for my weather station? xrf/urf
[19:45] <dirty_d> oh cool
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> pmjdebru1jn, no - any linux box with gpio ...
[19:45] <ratherDashing> dirty_d: hows the arch port coming?
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> you just pick 4 pins to connect to the ISP port.
[19:45] <pmjdebru1jn> cool
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> I've defaulted the config file to use 4 of the SPI pins.
[19:46] <dirty_d> ratherDashing, well i have a scratchbox2 environment capable of compiling the PKGBUILDs
[19:46] <dirty_d> but i havent actually compiled much, lol
[19:46] <dirty_d> gcc is done
[19:46] <dirty_d> only took about an hour
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[19:47] <gordonDrogon> http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> there are some .deb's in there.
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> Need to chmod 4755 /usr/bin/avrdude though once installed to make it run without being root.
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> do make sure everything is at 3.3v :)
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> don't try to hook GPIO to a 5V ATmega...
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[19:49] <sjc> such a PRETTY, PRETTY_FUNCTION
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> too much to do and not though of it pays )-:
[19:50] <sako12> Evening guys. Anyone know when the X will get full native speed?
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> it's got full native speed, but I guess you mean acellerated :)
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[19:51] <sako12> yep :)
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> who knows!
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> we can but hope...
[19:51] <ReggieUK> going to be after the large temperature drop a few hundred miles underground
[19:51] * ReggieUK puts the cynic back inside himself
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, wrong channel again?
[19:52] <ReggieUK> :)
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> you have to believe in a hell for it to freeze over though..
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[19:52] <three14_2> temp would probably go up underground
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[19:52] <three14_2> and humidity
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[19:53] <ReggieUK> yeah, the point was probably missed
[19:53] <three14_2> lol
[19:54] <ReggieUK> i.e. getting acellerated x drivers when hell freezes over
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[19:54] <sako12> It's going to be so sweet when they come through
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[19:54] <ratherDashing> im surprised that nobody from the raspberry pi foundation is working on them, anything X related is pretty much unusable.
[19:54] <sako12> My PI is already kicking the stuffing out of a dual core atom
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[19:55] <ratherDashing> openbox + tint2 is the best i've seen as far as performance, and it's not terribly usable
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> have to say, I've not really run much under X on the Pi.
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[19:55] <dirty_d> same here, seems kinda pointless
[19:55] <sako12> on XBMC
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> sako12, there's something very wrong with your Atom if a Pi is beating it .
[19:55] <dirty_d> i have a pc for that type of stuff
[19:56] <three14_2> it took a 12core arm setup to beat an atom from what i hear.
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[19:56] <gordonDrogon> my BASIC runs very well in the console now.
[19:56] <markllama> dirty_d: you mean Pis are "SERVERS"?
[19:56] <markllama> ;-)
[19:56] <dirty_d> toys?
[19:56] <sako12> Most of my TV's are IP based. No signal over the air :(
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> most? Hm. I only have one TV ...
[19:56] <markllama> dirty_d: or teaching tools. Same thing.
[19:56] <dirty_d> yea
[19:57] * markllama is hoping to create a small club lab net for $daughter's HS
[19:57] <three14_2> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/06/16/1510257/12-core-arm-cluster-beats-intel-atom-amd-fusion
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> anyone here going to the Cambridge Raspberry Jam thing?
[19:57] <sako12> No I work for a living :)
[19:57] <three14_2> lol
[19:57] <dirty_d> ratherDashing, what i really need is to make something that will give me a list of all the packages in abs in the order they need to be built to satisfy all dependencies
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[19:58] <markllama> 8 or 16 Pis, with USB serial, a single net outbound to 1 or 2 small switches. And I'm toying with putting lots of monitoring/visibility probes on the net so the students have visual feedback of what they're building.
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[19:58] <markllama> but right now it's one pi and a dream.
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[19:59] <gordonDrogon> sako12, I work too, but for myself - anyway, it's on a Saturday, sin't it?
[19:59] <sako12> On video performance - My dual atom struggles badly with HD - PI just flys.
[19:59] <pmjdebru1jn> you poor lads, can't get a day off?
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[20:00] <sako12> Just joking mate. No offence was intended
[20:00] <markllama> I did have trouble with OpenELEC and some of the video plugins.
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[20:01] <markllama> the PBS plugin played nice video for 10 sec or so then the pi hung, no serial no net, no response to kbd or mouse.
[20:01] <markllama> but TED talks played nicely.
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[20:01] <sako12> I'm also loving to zero fans. Both Mini ITX boxes screem when you place a load on it.
[20:01] <markllama> the UI is a dog though.
[20:01] <sako12> :)
[20:02] * markllama does see some improvement selecting simpler skins for XBMC
[20:02] <three14_2> youtube didn't work for me. flashed a few frames of the video and went black. audio played a bit longer then got distorted and scrambled. but it was an older build of openelec
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[20:02] <markllama> three14_2: The most recent OpenELEC I can boot (as of yest) is from the 10th of June.
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[20:03] <sako12> I've installed Catchuptv, Iplayer and boy does BBC HD look lush
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[20:04] <markllama> Oh if I can get BBC...
[20:04] <markllama> (from the US)
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[20:05] <sako12> Well there are ways :)
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[20:05] <markllama> One big blocker from dropping VZ cable TV is availability of Dr Who for $daughter.
[20:05] <markllama> there's no apparent on-line access to BBC or BBC-AM in the US.
[20:05] <markllama> (legally)
[20:06] <sako12> Didnt realise going through a VPN was illegal :)
[20:06] <markllama> what I mean is that there's no commercial way other than paying for cable
[20:06] <three14_2> really the only thing in terms of streaming that i'd care about is netflix, and maybe crackle.
[20:06] <three14_2> a nice news channel would be nice as well
[20:06] <markllama> I don't mind paying if it's available. I may use Amazon On-line which seems to get Dr Who ala-cart
[20:06] <markllama> at $2US/ep it's still less.
[20:07] <sako12> For sure. Are you an expat Mark?
[20:07] <markllama> But I don't know if the pi will do it.
[20:07] <markllama> sako12: no, just a geek :-)
[20:07] <sako12> LOL
[20:07] <markllama> with lovable geekie kids.
[20:07] <three14_2> markllama, exactly. i used to pirate everything. but with the cheap availability of things like netflix et al., there's no point.
[20:08] <sako12> Netflix sucks in the UK
[20:08] <three14_2> i won't say i don't pirate at all anymore, but yea, a 90% decrease.
[20:08] <markllama> It's seldom been worth my time
[20:08] <markllama> and if they charge too much I just don't bother.
[20:09] <haltdef> netflix will be getting my money if they will give me arrested development
[20:09] <sako12> i must be getting old :) I thought they were a band
[20:09] <three14_2> when will netflix get the hd scans of Star Trek TNG. The crap on there now is VHS quality or worse.
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[20:10] <ratherDashing> tng is dvd quality on netflix
[20:10] <ratherDashing> the hd scans are going to be a long time coming for tng because all the special effects were done in SD
[20:11] <three14_2> ratherDashing, they call it dvd quality (i have a few seasons on purchased dvds), but it's still terrible quality
[20:11] <ratherDashing> yeah it's certainly not the best
[20:12] <ratherDashing> i have the actual dvds
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[20:12] <three14_2> though, if you watch them on an sd tv, they're not bad
[20:12] <djp_> recently there was an entry on the raspberry pi site referring to pi3d. what needs to be installed in order to view the examples? link is here... http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1408
[20:13] <sako12> Have a good evening gents. outta here
[20:13] <ratherDashing> the blu-ray quality is going to be nice, it'll be very interesting how they do the SD effects though
[20:14] <ratherDashing> some of that show is gold and some of that show is humorously bad though, although i like it all
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[20:14] <three14_2> ratherDashing, bad? like every Marina Sirtis episode?
[20:15] <three14_2> ratherDashing, or the ones focusing on the kids/families on the ship?
[20:15] <zgreg> HD scans of TNG exist? that's great.
[20:15] <three14_2> zgreg, yea
[20:15] <zgreg> I thought the show was filmed in SD to start with
[20:15] <ratherDashing> 35mm
[20:15] <zgreg> really?
[20:16] <ratherDashing> yassir
[20:16] <Hybridsix> I just put my pi in an acrylic case that we cut at our lab.
[20:16] <three14_2> zgreg, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=__CSW9QpWJE
[20:18] <three14_2> the colors are so vibrant
[20:18] <zgreg> strange, I remember reading TNG was one of the first TV shows to be filmed straight with video cameras
[20:18] <reider59> For the Pi3d stuff, not tried here yet. But one of the links mentioned has a readme and that lists details of what is available now. pi3d.py is the main module and then there are four examples. I`d read that and take it from there but remember it's a WIP (work in progress).
[20:19] <three14_2> zgreg, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlklrWYsDLY&feature=related
[20:19] <friggle> adafruit case seems a little rattly to me
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[20:20] <zgreg> three14_2: nice, the first video that announces the HD release... in 360p
[20:20] <three14_2> friggle, i have one on the way and that's what i hear. :-\
[20:20] <three14_2> zgreg, second vid is better
[20:21] <djp_> reider59: thanks for the response. yes, i read the readme and installed python-imaging but undfortunately none of the examples would run, all returning errors. like you say though a wip
[20:21] <ratherDashing> season 1 blu-ray is 7/24
[20:21] <ratherDashing> season 1 was pretty terrible though
[20:21] <djp_> reider59: i'll take a closer look at the errors and see if i can work out what i'm missing
[20:21] <three14_2> yea, it was sort of lame.
[20:21] <three14_2> but looks fantastic
[20:22] <three14_2> hope they do the same with DS9, because it was just as janky in quality
[20:22] <ratherDashing> i never got into ds9
[20:22] <reider59> okies, the download I looked at had individual files. the link I checked just now just sets up a download, so I`ll see what is in that.
[20:22] <ratherDashing> tng was the right time and i was the right age
[20:22] <three14_2> i didn't like it much until the Dominion Wars
[20:23] <three14_2> It was nice to see Chief O'Brien, though
[20:23] <three14_2> but I wonder how many transporter accidents aboard the Enterprise could have been avoided has the Chief stayed aboard.
[20:23] <three14_2> he never screwed up, iirc
[20:23] <sjc> :P
[20:24] <three14_2> VOyager could have been good. but the writing was TERRIBLE
[20:25] <three14_2> every other problem they had was fixed by 1.) Magic, or 2.) Borg tech.
[20:25] <ratherDashing> 7 of 9
[20:25] <ratherDashing> that's all i needed
[20:25] <three14_2> Mmm
[20:25] <three14_2> ;-)
[20:25] <dirty_d> yeaaaa
[20:25] <dirty_d> lol
[20:25] <dirty_d> borg ass pants
[20:26] <three14_2> and Captain Janeway, while pretending to care about him, really busted Harry down every chance she got.
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[20:27] <three14_2> and I hated the Chakotay episodes.
[20:27] <three14_2> spirit guide this, and 'my people' that.
[20:27] <three14_2> stfu
[20:27] <reider59> The second link, which is all contents in one file, seems to suggest other parts are needed. Such as the Python Imaging Library as this is used to load textures. It then tells you how to get it with sudo apt-get. So use the second link, it seems to give more details and is only a small download
[20:27] <reider59> https://github.com/tipam/pi3d/tarball/master
[20:28] <three14_2> They had a hard time getting hairstyles down for Captain Janeway too. She went through like 3-4 of them.
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[20:28] <three14_2> I'd sit down to watch it and say to myself "Oh, we're going with the bun again?"
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[20:30] <sjc> :P
[20:31] <three14_2> Nothing beats Cmdr. Riker in TNG though. So many hilarious moments. Like how every damned door he'd walkthrough he'd seem like he was trying to headbutt it, or no matter what female came on board, he'd try to bed her.
[20:32] <friggle> no, Data is where it's at
[20:32] <ratherDashing> yeah they took kirk's libido and shoved it in riker and made picard the thinking man's captain
[20:32] <friggle> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-ZYzvD1rJ8
[20:32] <three14_2> friggle, remember when he slept with Lt. Yar?
[20:32] <three14_2> he had to knock something loose.
[20:32] <ratherDashing> riker's dad was my professor in college
[20:33] <three14_2> ratherDashing, you mean Frakes' dad?
[20:33] <ratherDashing> haha yeah same thing
[20:33] <three14_2> good times on tng
[20:34] <three14_2> i also liked the creepy parts where riker would put his foot up on part of the console, usually beside data. creepishly peering over his shoulder.
[20:34] <ratherDashing> yeah he wouldn't talk too much about his kid though, i think he passed away a few months after i had him though, sad.
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[20:37] <djp_> reider59: yes, that's what i downloaded. i also installed python-imaging.
[20:37] <reider59> okies, no idea then
[20:38] <djp_> reider59: sure. no problem. thanks for taking a look and offering your advice. appreciated.
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[20:39] <reider59> ok, my SD Cards are both empty just now or I`d fire up the RPi and have a look
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[20:48] <Habbie> looks like just updating start.elf is enough to make my SD stable
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[20:50] <IT_Sean> Whooops! stripped a screw.
[20:50] <IT_Sean> Bloody phillips head
[20:51] <Habbie> phillips was designed to avoid that
[20:51] <Habbie> so you must have been really insistent ;)
[20:51] <three14_2> jam a rupper band in the head and press firmly
[20:52] <Habbie> hehe
[20:52] <plugwash> phillips and pozi are both fairly easy to strip in my experiance, especially if you use the wrong screwdriver
[20:52] <plugwash> torx FTW
[20:52] <traeak> philips sadly is used everywhere
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[20:52] <three14_2> you can also try using a flathead on the phillips head if you have the right size and it can grip it well enough
[20:52] <traeak> torx or "spax"
[20:53] <traeak> i guess spax is a brand (hehe)
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[20:54] <plugwash> the problem with phillips and to a lesser extent pozi is that the head tries to cam-out which is fine for preventing overtightening but a big problem when trying to remove a stuck screw
[20:54] <plugwash> and each time it cams out it wears away a little more of the screw head
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[20:55] <piney0> they were originally designed to cam out too.
[20:55] <Mike632T> Try giving the screw driver a smart tap with a hammer can sometimes help free up a stuck screw
[20:55] <plugwash> phillips was designed to cam out, pozi was designed not to but still does not an extent
[20:55] <reider59> burning gun helps ;-)
[20:56] <plugwash> torx/hex/robertson/etc don't do it at all because the driver and it's recess are straight
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[20:58] <Habbie> Hexxeh, a suggestion - regenerate the short URL in rpi-update/README.md so it doesn't contain an O (easily confused with 0 and that yields a porn site). Also avoid 1 l I etc. :)
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[21:01] <three14_2> Habbie, how do you know the porn site thing was unintentional? ;)
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[21:02] <Habbie> because having a porn site in /usr/bin makes no sense and will yield no banner impressions or clicks ;)
[21:02] <IT_Sean> Sorry was afk.
[21:02] <IT_Sean> Yeah, phillips are really easy to strip.
[21:02] <IT_Sean> Um... what's this about porn?
[21:02] <Habbie> the short link in rpi-update/README is easy to mistype as a link to an adult site
[21:02] * three14_2 has discovered a new place to hide porn.
[21:03] <IT_Sean> O_o
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> philips was designed to cam-out when tight enough - designed to be inserted by machine...
[21:03] <IT_Sean> well, phillip was a jerk.
[21:03] <IT_Sean> his screws are rubbish. :p
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> the biggest issue is using the wrong screwdriver, but most people can't tell the difference...
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> :)
[21:04] <plugwash> a 1 character typo (replacing O with 0) in a shortened url in hexxeh's instructions will lead to downloading a page from a russian porn site instead of the rpi-update tool
[21:04] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, are you admitting that size is important in this case?
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, er, shape!!!
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[21:05] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, agreed, phillips and pozi can be tricky to tell the difference between and screwdrivers of the wrong size will sorta work too
[21:05] <plugwash> unlike hex and torx where it tends to either fit perfectly or not fit at all
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, yes, that's the issue - most will "almost" work and most of the time you'll get away with it...
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[21:05] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, until you mix imperial and metric allen keys )-:
[21:05] <three14_2> whenever i start to strip a phillips, i try to find a flathead that will fit it better than the phillips driver, if possible.
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> mole grips!!!
[21:06] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, you have no idea how much the allen key thing angers me
[21:06] <Habbie> Hexxeh, also, are you realising /root/.rpi-firmware grows with each git commit?
[21:06] <IT_Sean> I just remove the screw, and replace it with a new one
[21:07] <plugwash> well i've seen metric/imperial cases where the key is hard to insert but for the most part even with trying both metric and imperial keys until I find something that fits I can't remember ever stripping a hex head
[21:07] <three14_2> i used to replace gamebit screws with phillips whenever possible.
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[21:07] <gordonDrogon> I was the first in my family not to go into mechanical engineering of some sort ... I chose electronics and computers, but my first "job" was working in a mechanical engineering lab - Iwas in my element!! computers and robots/factor autoamtion/machines :)
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[21:08] <gordonDrogon> If I was building something now I'd use torx.
[21:08] <Matt> how about robertson screws?
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[21:09] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, yea, but i can't stress enough the importance of having quality torx drivers. some of them are so crappy that the teeth break off.
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[21:09] * plugwash suspects robertson is fine but hasn't got any personal experiance with them
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[21:10] <plugwash> they seem to be virtually nonexistent on this side of the pond
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> robertson! What are you, a Farmer?
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[21:11] <three14_2> a friand and i just used torx building his deck. stripped one and bent one. Pretty good for a few hundred torx screws.
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[21:11] <three14_2> friend*
[21:11] <IT_Sean> There once was a man form Racine, he invented a.... wait, no, this is #raspberrypi... can't do dirty limricks in here.
[21:11] <three14_2> aww come on, what about the guy from Nantucket??
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> building a deck with screws? Not a nailgun?
[21:12] <IT_Sean> No, no man from nantucket.
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> or the Young lady from Leith ...
[21:12] <markllama> three14_2: he said "go to hell".
[21:12] <IT_Sean> You MIGHT get away with mine in here, but NOT man from Nantucket.
[21:12] <three14_2> we only used about 20 nails. the rest were screws.
[21:12] <Matt> gordonDrogon: robertson is everywhere in .ca
[21:12] <Matt> being a canadian invention and whatnot
[21:12] <IT_Sean> I'm not sure i know that one.
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> matt loos like it was invented there for farmers... Wallop in in with a hammer, give it a quarter turn :)
[21:13] <Matt> gordonDrogon: was designed as an alternative to phillips
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> There was an old lady from Hyde ...
[21:13] <Matt> cause the americans were charging too much to license it
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> Et a green apple and died ..
[21:13] <Matt> but like hex and torx, it won't cam out
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> The apple fremented
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> inside the lamented
[21:13] <three14_2> how about the pervert from Warsaw?
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> and made cider inside her inside...
[21:14] <IT_Sean> The problem with that oen is that it isn't dirty enough to be against the rules :p
[21:15] <Matt> there was a young man from japan
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> I just modified my Pi Temp/Humidity sensor: Push a button to read humidity now.
[21:15] <Matt> who's poetry never did scan
[21:15] <Matt> when I asked him why
[21:15] <Matt> he gave the reply
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/sht15temp.jpg and http://unicorn.drogon.net/sht15rh.jpg
[21:15] <three14_2> pervert from warsaw, pervert from warsaw!
[21:15] <Matt> "I always try to fit as much in the last line as I possibly can"
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[21:16] <gordonDrogon> I used to have the Blue Peter book of Limericks..
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> probably 40 years ago..
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> I have to add that SHT15 is a bad name for a sensor chip.
[21:17] <IT_Sean> Well, 'less it's a poo detecting sensor.
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> poo's pretty humid...
[21:17] <three14_2> There once was a pervert from Warsaw; Who loved a ewe that he once saw; But instead of getting sleep; He'd go **** a sheep; And now there's a kid who goes "Paaa".
[21:18] * three14_2 hides.
[21:18] * gordonDrogon groans
[21:18] <three14_2> but Paaaaa
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[21:18] <lrvick> Anyone know if the inputs exist to make a basic serial terminal interface to the pi?
[21:19] <dirty_d> yup, on the gpio header
[21:19] <lrvick> so I can easily plug it in to a netbook to configure without a complex network setup?
[21:19] <IT_Sean> Booooo... lrvick, we were doing dirty limricks! :p
[21:19] <dirty_d> network is simpler
[21:19] <markllama> lrvick
[21:19] <three14_2> @IT_Sean, i'll accept a temporary kick/ban. I knew it was against the rules. I did it anyway. I'm a criminal.
[21:19] <IT_Sean> nah, it's alright
[21:20] <IT_Sean> you put in *s
[21:20] <markllama> I did it with a Nokia CA-42 Serial/USB cable and a 5x2 IDC 1.0mm connector.
[21:20] <IT_Sean> Besides, i sort of started it
[21:20] <lrvick> ultimatly if i coudl plug in a usb-to-serial adapter of some kind and just serial terminal in, it would be ideal for me
[21:20] <dirty_d> (but i know what you really meant)
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> Hm. what can I build now on that breadboard.
[21:20] <markllama> Most USB/Serial stock are going to be 5v RS232. The pins off the board are 3.3v TTL
[21:20] <plugwash> lrvick, the Pi has 3.3V logic level serial on the GPIO header which you can use
[21:20] <mjr> gordonDrogon, oo, leds
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> mjr you like LEDs?
[21:21] * markllama will take some pics tonight and post them.
[21:21] <lrvick> markllama: please do :-)
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> mjr, http://unicorn.drogon.net/15leds.jpg
[21:21] <plugwash> make sure whatever you connect to them operates at the right voltage though since those pins go direct to the processor
[21:21] <markllama> next time I'll just get 13x2 IDCs so I don't have to cut one set of tongues off or bend pins :-(
[21:22] <markllama> lrvick: how comfortable are you with the idea of cutting the end off a USB phone cable, seperating the strands and then clamping them into an IDC connector?
[21:22] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, a 555 timer out of only discrete components?
[21:23] <Iota> Next version of Unity 3D game engine has been unveiled and with it comes much requested support for Linux.
[21:23] <Iota> Starting with Unity 4.0, Linux will be supported as a publishing platform allowing Unity games to be played natively on Linux. Only standalone desktop games will be supported initially.
[21:23] <lrvick> markllama: sure. kids stuff.
[21:23] <Iota> \o/
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[21:24] <lrvick> markllama: im fairly handy with electronics, just point me to the parts I need and what needs to be taken apart
[21:24] <lrvick> ^_^
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, huh? You want me to make a 555 ?
[21:25] <three14_2> sure, with 30-ish transistors
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[21:26] <Habbie> does anyone have a compiled driver for Edimax EW-7811Un / rtl8192 that works with the current kernel?
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[21:27] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, well - the interla diagram of the 555 has been published, so it's possible, but ... can't think why I want to!
[21:27] <reider59> Habbie:If you haven`t checked it out yet then take a look here.....http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256
[21:27] <Glisha> hi, what's the max drain current through a gpio pin?
[21:28] <Habbie> reider59, wrong chipset it seems
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[21:28] <gordonDrogon> wow - they still make a billion 555's a year! (2003) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555_timer_IC
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[21:28] <gordonDrogon> Glisha, it's low - stick to about 18mA max IIRc.
[21:28] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, hey you asked. :) Plus it might look neat ona breadboard or perfboard.
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> Glisha, actually, 16 is max.
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, well yes, but I really meant to connect to the Pi!
[21:29] <Glisha> gordonDrogon: thanks, where are you reading it?
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> Glisha, http://www.scribd.com/doc/91353537/GPIO-Pads-Control
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[21:31] <Habbie> reider59, seems that might apply after all, trying it now
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[21:32] <reider59> Thought so. I had mine working in Debian Squeeze, but not in Wheezy. Not sure what the state of play will be until the beta is released for that
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> bacl later.
[21:32] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, hmm, not sure i can think of any Pi to 555 uses.
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[21:34] <Habbie> reider59, nope - useless after all - it relies on the .ko that is outdated
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[21:36] <reider59> Check with MrEngman, the OP in that thread as he has two WiFi adapters and the 7811Un is one of them. He said his is working with the drivers he uses. Only Wheezy is not working and people in that thread were asked for more details on the problem.
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[21:36] <Habbie> i'm trying a compile now
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[21:38] <pedro> Habe ein deutsches Buch zum Raspberry Pi begonnen http://bitkistl.blogspot.co.at/2012/06/raspberry-pi.html
[21:39] <haltdef> rudeness
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[21:53] <gordonDrogon> just started some bread off. fresh bread tomorow morning!
[21:54] <NucWin> pi control oven?
[21:54] <NucWin> controled*
[21:54] <three14_2> doubles an an infrared reflow oven
[21:54] <three14_2> as*
[21:55] <NucWin> that would be useful
[21:55] <ReggieUK> fairly dangerous in gordonDrogon's line of work
[21:55] <ReggieUK> well, more poisonous
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[21:55] <three14_2> put some foil over the pan of bread
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> :)
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> no foil over my bread!
[21:57] <three14_2> fine, then you get solder paste fumes in it.
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> the oven is a pretty simple affair. bit of a gas guzzler though )-:
[21:57] <reider59> *wonders if Gordons oven has a lego fan
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> sadly... no.
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> it has no fan.
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> which means that when I bake cakes, I need to turn them as one side is hotter than the other.
[21:57] <Habbie> Hexxeh, i take back what i said about the dir growing with each commit
[21:57] <Hexxeh> Habbie: indeed, the depth flag is set :)
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> cooker: http://drogon.net/gordon/photoShoots/kitchen/images/view4.jpg
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> Hm. that was 9 years ago
[22:00] <three14_2> time flies
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> yea.
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[22:00] <gordonDrogon> I rebuilt our kitchen from scratch.
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[22:01] <gordonDrogon> http://drogon.net/gordon/photoShoots/kitchen/
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[22:01] <NucWin> lol they gas pipes
[22:01] <NucWin> ?
[22:02] <NucWin> ooh we have the same bin
[22:02] <plugwash> I suspect the big pipes going off towards the ceiling are for heating and/or hot water
[22:02] <three14_2> i like that bin
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> yea, hot water.
[22:03] <friggle> indeed, the bin is magnificent
[22:03] <Kolin> gas pipes above the cooker probably wouldent be a great idea
[22:03] <Kolin> and yeah, i wish i has that bin!
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> we still have it.
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[22:04] <gordonDrogon> don't often buy the "proper" bags for it though - they're expensive :)
[22:04] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, i would hope so, it looks awesome
[22:05] <three14_2> ever think about rbg strips for undercounter lighting?
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> there's been a few small changes to it over the years - it really needs a bit of a "refresh" now ..
[22:05] <three14_2> add more stainless steel and rgb stripes
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> I've thought about better undercounter lighting, prob. won't use RBG thgough - I like to see what I'm doing :)
[22:06] <Habbie> downloading raspi kernel source ...
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> Yea, I'm going to add stainless sheeting round the cooker next.
[22:06] <three14_2> well other colors are just for mood. can always mix a good white color.
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> it's not that big a space, but it quite dark.
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> I've added more lighting to it.
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[22:08] <three14_2> well, the countertop is light enough that a lot of the undercounter lighting would be reflected.
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> someone was telling me that they had used a domestic oven for reflow work on surface mount chips...
[22:09] <three14_2> 375-400F for 20min should do it.
[22:09] <three14_2> at least on a broken xbox
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[22:09] <Habbie> github is slow today
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[22:13] <Vostok> why are the attached images at the forum so small?
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[22:13] <Adya> Hi everybodn
[22:13] <Adya> *everybody
[22:13] <three14_2> Vostok, no clue. annoyed me as well, right clicking and choosing view image gets old
[22:14] <Vostok> well look at that
[22:14] <Vostok> worked
[22:14] <Vostok> (opening the image url separately)
[22:14] <Vostok> or dragging it to the address bar
[22:15] <three14_2> why they aren't just links baffles me
[22:15] <Vostok> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=252 this seems like what people talked about earlier today
[22:16] <three14_2> i'm not a fan of the forum layout/color scheme. there's not enough contrast, so i rarely use it.
[22:16] <friggle> three14_2: you can switch the theme
[22:16] <three14_2> friggle, what!!?!?
[22:16] * three14_2 goes to check
[22:17] <friggle> three14_2: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/ucp.php and click board preferences
[22:17] <reider59> if you used it a bit more often you`d know ;-)
[22:17] <friggle> though I do prefer the raspberry pi theme, even despite its niggles
[22:17] <three14_2> <3!!! it's like a whole new forum!
[22:18] <three14_2> friggle, thanks!
[22:18] <Adya> So, when I connect my nokia 5130xm to RaspberryPi, dmesg accepts it's ttyACM0. I am trying to config everything with help me pppconfig, and to connect with pon. But nothing happens:( What should I do?
[22:19] * Adya cries
[22:19] <ratherDashing> Adya: sudo lsusb
[22:19] <Adya> And?
[22:20] <ratherDashing> whats the two numbers before nokia mobile phone
[22:20] <Adya> It shows the list of connected devices
[22:22] <ratherDashing> i'm about to leave the office so if you want help you got another few minutes
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[22:22] <Adya> Yeah, wait a minute please:)
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[22:24] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, ive used a frying pan
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[22:24] <three14_2> it is about time to go home. :-)
[22:25] <dirty_d> 7 minutes
[22:25] <three14_2> ha, same
[22:25] <ratherDashing> yep same here
[22:25] <ratherDashing> well to the gym
[22:25] <ratherDashing> but at least not at work
[22:25] <three14_2> the other three14 is logged on to keep the chan company.
[22:25] <ratherDashing> but starting july 1st i'm probably going to have to start working 12 hours 7-days a week, yuck
[22:25] <three14_2> i've been up for well over a day. going home to crash
[22:26] <three14_2> scumbag back pain
[22:26] <three14_2> later folks
[22:26] <Adya> Wait 2 minutes please:):):)
[22:26] <ratherDashing> well i'll brain dump
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[22:27] <ratherDashing> sudo /sbin/modprobe usbserial vendor=0x(vid) product=0x(pid) where vid:pid are the two numbers in front of yer nokia mobile phones
[22:27] <ratherDashing> then wvdialconf create
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[22:27] <ratherDashing> sudo nano /etc/wvdial.conf
[22:27] <ratherDashing> Modem = /dev/ttyACM0
[22:27] <Adya> There's no wvdial on debian on pi!
[22:27] <ratherDashing> Baud = 460800
[22:27] <dirty_d> install it
[22:28] <Adya> How?
[22:28] <ratherDashing> sudo apt-get insatll wvdial
[22:28] <ratherDashing> fill in the rest of the wvdial.conf
[22:28] <ratherDashing> then do wvdial
[22:28] <ratherDashing> and that should work
[22:28] <ratherDashing> ok off to the gym
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[22:29] <Adya> I need internet to install wvdial. I need wvdial to have internet:(
[22:29] <dirty_d> put the package on the sdcard from antoher computer
[22:30] <Adya> How:(?
[22:30] <dirty_d> you have no ethernet?
[22:30] <Adya> No:(
[22:30] <dirty_d> whats your network situation?
[22:31] <reider59> Get all of this down in a text file for now if dashing is going. then you can fill in the gaps later
[22:31] <dirty_d> Adya, are you on a phone right now or a computer
[22:31] <Adya> Phone
[22:31] <Adya> ????
[22:31] <dirty_d> oh, this complicates matters
[22:32] <dirty_d> lol
[22:32] <Adya> JmIRC
[22:32] <reider59> write it down quick, only a few lines. I`ll save it for you for now
[22:32] <dirty_d> so you have no internet at all huh?
[22:32] <mythos> how did you create the sdcard?
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[22:34] <Adya> :(
[22:34] <Adya> I've got an Internet in office
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[22:35] <Adya> So, how can I download all pakages on windows computer?
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[22:37] <Adya> Qq
[22:38] <tnovelli> Adya: i've been in that situation.. it sucks. Linux developers all have internet, never really thought about this problem..
[22:38] <plugwash> well you can use packages.debian.org to find and download the packages you want, the trouble is dependencies, you are likely to have serveral rounds of downloading to get all the packages you want
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> Adya, what, a whole Internet in your office? cool... ;-)
[22:38] <tnovelli> exactly.. what apain
[22:38] <jaakkos> Vostok: the microusb->usb host port jump seems to work well
[22:39] <tnovelli> bring your raspi to work if possible
[22:39] <jaakkos> Vostok: i now have rootfs on external hdd and a wireless dongle directly in the r-pi usb ports, all is ok
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> BYOD is all the rage now ...
[22:39] <Vostok> jaakkos: omg
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[22:39] <mythos> Adya, you could use apt-mirror. but I'm not sure, it is available on windows. maybe you could use a virtualized ubuntu/debian?
[22:39] <Adya> Tnovelli, somebody can understand me. Usually nobody understands...
[22:40] <reider59> sorry, that does not compute!
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> no internet.... yup, reider59 it does not compute ...
[22:42] <IT_Sean>
[22:42] <RandIter> simple question - when, if ever, is raspberrypi going to be available in the US market without delay for everyone who wants it?
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> tought they were shipping to the US same as everywhere?
[22:42] <IT_Sean> RandIter: the raspi is not available in ANY market without delay right now.
[22:42] <IT_Sean> If you want one, you get on line with everyone else.
[22:42] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:42] <reider59> only the US? what about the rest of the world?
[22:42] <mythos> yeah, US is nothing special. face it ;)
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[22:43] <tnovelli> they're all made in China
[22:43] * Adya gusta
[22:44] <Adya> What does it mean me gusta?
[22:44] <trevorman> only place without delay is ebay but you're paying a premium for it
[22:44] <plugwash> RandIter, the bottom line is noone knows, it will likely be at least a month or two before the backlog of single unit orders is cleared, then the sites will open up to multi-unit orders
[22:44] <trevorman> me gusta = I like
[22:44] <Adya> I've seen it in comics
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[22:44] <Adya> Thanks
[22:45] <plugwash> at which point there is likely to be another backlog but noone knows how big that second backlog will be since afaict those in a position to measure it have not made any serious attempt to do so
[22:45] <plugwash> It would have been easy for the distributors to ask customers how many they wanted when people were registering their interest but for some reason they didn't
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[22:46] <nidO> 20/20 hindsight sure is wonderful
[22:46] <jecxjo> well some people asked if they would allow for pre-orders, pay ahead and all. they said no. not sure why
[22:46] <trevorman> I would have thought it'd be common sense
[22:46] <RandIter> plugwash: when will production be able to match demand, is what I'd like to know
[22:46] <RandIter> and all backlog cleared
[22:47] <trevorman> they're handling manufacture so you'd tihnk they'd want to know that roughly X people wanted one
[22:47] <plugwash> RandIter, and as I said noone knows that because those in a position to gather the information have not done so
[22:47] <reider59> when the backlog is cleared lol
[22:47] <Adya> I saw wvdial depends qt. But there's no simple qt on pakages.debian.org... Where can I download it?
[22:47] <tnovelli> qt has a bunch of dependencies
[22:47] <Adya> There's qt sdk
[22:47] <plugwash> packages.debian.org should tell you exactly which qt packages the debian wvdial packages depends on
[22:47] <Adya> :( I should download them all!
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[22:48] <RandIter> meanwhile I'll go with some other option then, because i like options that others can readily reproduce
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[22:48] <AthomIk> hello
[22:48] <Adya> My brain blows
[22:48] <tnovelli> mindblowing haha
[22:48] <jecxjo> Adya: look for libqt
[22:48] <AthomIk> i have by a new sd card, work, remove go to pc for extend partition and now
[22:48] <Adya> Yeah, but there's no wvdial for armel on debian pakages website
[22:48] <AthomIk> system say read only........
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[22:49] <tnovelli> Adya: ohhhhhh
[22:49] <jecxjo> Adya: are you looking to install or build wvdial?
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[22:50] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I have a bunch of 3G modems I've never gotten round to trying ...
[22:50] <Adya> Yep
[22:50] <Adya> How can i install it, if it isn't built?
[22:50] <reider59> Can anyone tell me when the backlog will be cleared in llan - fair - pwll - gwyn - gyll - go - ger - ych - wyrn - drob - wll - llan - ty - silio - go - go - goch and we can order straightaway lol
[22:51] <zgreg> mythos: by the way, did you test the nobusywait kernel?
[22:51] <tnovelli> adya: looks like you can use text-mode wvdial without qtwvdialer GUI
[22:51] <reider59> baaaaa baaaaa
[22:51] <Adya> Ok
[22:51] <mythos> zgreg, the kernel just finished =)
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> Haha... 1st thing in he box is a 2-headed USB cable - so I guess these 3G modems needs lots of USB power...
[22:51] <Adya> How?
[22:51] <tnovelli> adya: you'll have to download the wvdial source code and compile it yourself.. let's see...
[22:51] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: huh. never seen one need that much power. is it old?
[22:51] <Adya> Imma blow
[22:52] <jecxjo> Adya: Sorry it just didnt make any sense what you were saying. Install qt-sdk and build wvdial from source
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> they're not that old. 1 year maybe.
[22:52] <Adya> I haven't ever compiled anything:(
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[22:52] <jaakkos> Vostok: http://users.tkk.fi/~jvsalo/usb_mod.jpg
[22:53] <mjr> gordonDrogon, curious. Mine doesn't have or need one anywhere I've tried, though I shan't claim that it's in-spec as to the draw...
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[22:53] <jecxjo> Adya: its easy, first install qt-sdk....sudo apt-get install qt-sdk
[22:53] <tnovelli> Adya: are you on landline dialup or what?
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> combined 3G + GPI.
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> *GPS
[22:53] <AthomIk> why somethime linux systeme say sd card only on read only ?
[22:53] <tnovelli> jecxjo: adya can't get on internet without a dialer
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> they're mini PCIe cards on carriers with mini USB sockets on.
[22:53] <Adya> Nokia 5130 as a modem
[22:54] <Vostok> jaakkos: So you've got the prots on different sides of the 700mA fuse?
[22:54] <jaakkos> yes :)
[22:54] <jecxjo> OOOOOOOHHHHHH yeah thats gonna be more difficult
[22:54] <Vostok> ports
[22:55] <mjr> gordonDrogon, oh those things. Probably they assume that they can get more current from the pcie connector :]
[22:55] <Adya> Yeah, it's difficult
[22:55] <tnovelli> Adya: hmm, i've never used a cellular modem, only the ultra-slow landline type :)
[22:55] <Vostok> I'll probably try that out then, soon
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[22:55] <Vostok> and learn how to mount FAT drives in linux. :)
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> mjr, yea, possibly older devices.
[22:56] <tnovelli> Adya: I wonder if you could use this instead http://tldp.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/x342.html
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> wvdial is really easy to get going though - I've used it a lot with 3G modems.
[22:57] <tnovelli> I remember writing funky dialer scripts to handle this stuff back in the 1990s.. ugh
[22:57] * jecxjo seconds tnovelli's comment
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> Oddly enough, I don't ... or maybe I was just lucky with the dialup ISPs I chose...
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> brb
[22:58] <tnovelli> here's wvdial source code: https://github.com/wlach/wvdial
[23:00] <AthomIk> why somethime linux systeme say sd card only on read only ? if i go to windows pc i can read write this sd ?
[23:00] <tnovelli> and wvstreams https://github.com/wlach/wvstreams
[23:00] <Adya> They have to be compiled?
[23:00] <ReggieUK> AthomIk, if linux sees an error on the fs as it boots, it might mark it read-only
[23:00] <jecxjo> AthomIk: how are you mounting your SD card? Does your user account have write permissions to the mount point?
[23:01] <AthomIk> yes root
[23:01] <ReggieUK> and ^^ what jecxjo said
[23:01] <Adya> Tnovelli, are they compiled?
[23:01] <jecxjo> If root, then what ReggieUK said
[23:01] <tnovelli> Adya: you can download the code from github as a ZIP
[23:02] <AthomIk> for extend sd card after dd debian image, gparted is the good way ?
[23:02] <tnovelli> Adya: then run ./configure && make install
[23:02] <Adya> Tnovelli, I know, but are they compiled?:)
[23:02] <jecxjo> AthomIk gparted is good
[23:02] <tnovelli> Adya: nope
[23:02] <Adya> I got it
[23:03] <tnovelli> Adya: I hope you have lots of patience :)
[23:03] <Adya> After ./configure it says it depends qt, and 6 more pakages
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[23:04] <Adya> Those pakages depend ~10 pakages each.
[23:04] <tnovelli> Adya: wvdial or wvstreams?
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[23:04] <Adya> Wvstreams
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[23:05] <tnovelli> Adya: sounds like Qt isn't optional after all...
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[23:05] <jecxjo> Adya: do a ./configure --help and see if there is an option to remove QT support
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[23:06] <AthomIk> ReggieUK: but if linux see error on the fs, how i can remove all with RO on sd card ?
[23:06] <tnovelli> "--without-qt" or "--without-gui" or "--disable-...."
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[23:08] <Mike632T> Just read http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18457716 find it difficult to believe that the UK doesn't even have a machine in the top 30...
[23:08] <chaoshax> That's not difficult to believe :p.
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> AthomIk, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
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[23:08] <gordonDrogon> AthomIk, if you've not already sorted for extending.
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[23:09] <mythos> zgreg, i bootet it now. have you any suggestions for tests?
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[23:10] <tnovelli> Adya: maybe you could use pppconfig, minicom, picocom - those are available in debian squeeze on armel
[23:11] <jecxjo> Mike632T UK has number 13
[23:12] <AthomIk> look my sd : brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 8, 16 juin 18 23:02 /dev/sdb
[23:12] <AthomIk> what s the T ??
[23:15] <AthomIk> pff
[23:15] <AthomIk> :D
[23:16] <mythos> zgreg, it is even faster now. got 14 mb/s with hdparm (your old kernel got 11 mb/s)
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[23:22] <AthomIk> with my atmos, never see this.......
[23:22] <AthomIk> :)
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[23:23] <traeak> haven't tested before but right now getting 17.14MB/s from my class10 8GB minisd
[23:24] <traeak> hdparm
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[23:27] <Habbie> wifi works
[23:27] <Habbie> using kernel from a month ago
[23:27] <Habbie> sadly ;)
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[23:30] <gordonDrogon> a newer kernel won't do the wifi?
[23:30] <jaakkos> Vostok: wifi dongle, external hdd with no extra power, ethernet all work at the same time, the hdd writes around 20MB/s and via ethernet i get 7MB/s write, capping at the network. it's the default image with a recent self-compiled git kernel.
[23:31] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, i cannot find a .ko for a newer kernel, and i haven't managed to compile a new one myself (but i'm under some time pressure here to deliver this pi with working wifi, even if it means an older kernel ;)
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> must be pretty lightweight hdd...
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[23:31] <jaakkos> gordonDrogon: didn't work without the mod
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, I have no wifi compiled at all in my kernels.
[23:31] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, you compile your own kernels?
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> yes
[23:31] <Habbie> neat
[23:32] <Habbie> i haven't found the time to play around yet
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.20+ #1 PREEMPT Mon Jun 18 10:39:49 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[23:32] <Habbie> oh, 3.2
[23:32] <Habbie> nice
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> I don't even have that on my desktop yet :)
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[23:32] <Habbie> i only compile kernels when i have a good reason
[23:32] <Habbie> do you have a specific reason?
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> habit.
[23:32] <Habbie> ah
[23:33] <Habbie> i'm glad i got rid of that habit
[23:33] <Habbie> switching from freebsd to linux helped, though ;)
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> I just have an old fashioed outlook where I try to make things as tight as possible. So I compile a kernel for the underlying hardware and no more.
[23:33] <Habbie> probably makes sense when RAM is tight
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Last time I used freebest was probably about 96-97 ...
[23:33] <Habbie> although just turning as much as possible into modules works too
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> no modules.
[23:34] <Habbie> why not?
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> beause the kernel only comtains code for the hardware it runs on. So all modules would be loaded, so might as well have them in the kernel at boot time.
[23:35] <Habbie> fair enough
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> it's an old fashioned idea, but it works for me.
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[23:40] <plugwash> yeah, the thing is in the modern world hardware tends to come and go more than it used to
[23:41] <plugwash> do you really want to recompile your kernel every time you plug in a new USB device?
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> not for me.
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm just borting. I don't buy new usb devicesa.
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> mice/keyboard - just work. ftdi/cmc - all work.
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> what else is there?
[23:42] <jecxjo> but what does a compile take you, a few minutes. no biggy
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[23:43] <gordonDrogon> and in the rare times I've needed it, I can compile the module, load it, then next reboot, compile it into the kernel.
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[23:43] <gordonDrogon> my latops have the wifi and sound drivers as modules because they seem to work better that way.
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> 22:42:14 up 1330 days, 47 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> I'll be rebooting that soon.... it's been a good old friend that one ;-)
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[23:49] <three14> fwiw, when i used to use gentoo, i always compiled most everything into the kernel with the exception of modules for hardware that i have available, but wasn't readily using. never had a problem.
[23:51] <bfdb> gordonDrogon: how long does your ups last for?
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> bfdb, which one? the one I used on the weather station?
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> oh, on that load uptime above?
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> er, long uptime?
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> that's in a data centre with triple redundant UPSs and generators...
[23:54] <bfdb> yeah
[23:54] <bfdb> ah well
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> it's my main router - a linux box.
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> 22:53:22 up 872 days, 14:36, 1 user, load average: 0.53, 0.73, 0.91
[23:55] <sjc> gordonDrogon: wait a week, screenshot, then reboot :P
[23:55] <sjc> 1337 <3
[23:55] <bfdb> is the lack of reboot just an e-peen thing>
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> tht's a customer server - busy vbulletin board...
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> sjc, a-ha... :)
[23:55] <nidO> its probably a why-reboot-when-you-dont-need-to thing
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[23:56] <plugwash> hmm, when was the last time there was a serious flaw in the kernel......
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> even if there is a kernel flaw, it's getting either physical access, or a shell into it to expoit it.
[23:56] <nidO> that affects an embedded nix router probably a long long time ago, and the customer server could easily be running ksplice
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> unless it's externally pokable.
[23:56] <megatog615> plugwash: that weird thing where you could get root from a normal use
[23:56] <megatog615> *user
[23:56] <bfdb> kernel upgrades need a reboot don't they?
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> normally.
[23:57] <nidO> not with ksplice or similar
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> is that live and usable?
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> I have a pair of main routers and I reboot the backup one every now and then.
[23:58] <nidO> ksplice? its been usable for years with fedora/oracle/ubuntu, it still works for centos if you have a license from before oracle took it over though
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[23:58] <nidO> and rhel obv*
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> all my servers are debian..
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> still, what's a reboot every now and then.
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> you put it in the schedulle and it doesn't count as unscheduled.

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