#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-19

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:01] <nidO> I still never much like doing remote kernel updates
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> Yea. I do it from time to time, along with debian dist-upgrades..
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[0:02] <gordonDrogon> serial consoles, remote power cyclers and IPKVMs are good tools!
[0:02] <jaakkos> Vostok: tried simultaneously with external hdd, and via unpowered hub: 2 wlan-dongles, 2 usb memory sticks, external hdd. all work at the same time.
[0:03] <nidO> I have to do it on a fairly regular basis, not a problem any more for most of our systems as theyre all vms with vnc consoles if anything goes tits up, but i've never liked having to do it with physical systems
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[0:03] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[0:03] <nidO> its largely no longer a worry though, but I still have decade-old nightmares where a yum/apt kernel update would probably fail to reboot 1 time in 5, and have to get a kvm hooked up
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> I'm moving all my stuff to virtual images too - so I can migrate an image to a new server, then work on the old one and put it back, if needed.
[0:03] * blkhawk is now known as blkaway
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> ouch!
[0:04] <plugwash> nidO, especially physical systems that don't have a serial console setup
[0:05] <plugwash> (e.g. what you get from bottom of the barrel dedicated server hosting providers)
[0:05] <nidO> yeah, none of ours do permanently, we just tend to have a kvm available in each rack to hook up as needed
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> I've got an old serial concentrator - cisco 2500...
[0:06] <megatog615> wtf
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> the issue is finding servers that do proper serial console at the bios level.
[0:06] <megatog615> i can't for the life of me finish compiling sdlmame
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> on a Pi?
[0:07] <megatog615> using gcc-4.6, it eventually craps out with an internal compiler error
[0:07] <megatog615> switched to gcc-4.4, it gets to linking then it crashes the kernel
[0:07] <megatog615> even on qemu on my quadcore phenom ii in a chroot, it crashes qemu
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> that's quite something!
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[0:08] <plugwash> megatog615, is that qemu in system moder or user mode?
[0:08] <plugwash> and which version of qemu?
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[0:09] <megatog615> >1.0
[0:09] <megatog615> and i have no idea, i used this tutorial to do it:
[0:09] <megatog615> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8478&p=101325&hilit=cross+compile+debian#p101325
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> right. got to do a final knead on some bread dough then off to bed.
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[0:11] <ReggieUK> g'night gordonDrogon
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[0:14] <bfdb> gordonDrogon: can you make artisan?
[0:15] <bfdb> I love it
[0:15] <mythos> zgreg, i did run bonnie++ the last hour, did heavy write and read at the same time and it seems that it works just fine
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[0:17] <gordonDrogon> bfdb, artisan just means hand-made. and yes.
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> however tonight I was lazy and used the mixer :)
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[0:17] <bfdb> gordonDrogon: well by artisan, I mean the stuff with the really big holes
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> bfdb, http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough.jpg
[0:18] <bfdb> nice
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> it is :)
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> and I'll be having some for breakfast :)
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> and now I really am off to bed :)
[0:20] <sjc> sleep thee well
[0:21] <bfdb> bread has to be my favourite food, too bad it's not that good for you
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[0:26] <zgreg> mythos: that's great. any improvements with audio playback?
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[0:27] <mythos> zgreg, it doesn't stutter anymore
[0:27] <mythos> i hear some noise, but that could be an electromagnetic interference from something else
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[1:04] <mythos> zgreg, if you want me to test anything else, let me know
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[1:05] <zgreg> mythos: not at the moment
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[1:05] <mythos> sure, i go to bed anyway now ;)
[1:05] <zgreg> me too, soon
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[1:07] <hadifarnoud> does anyone has good browser suggestion for Raspbian?
[1:07] <sjc> I'd liketo see Abrowser working on it
[1:08] <_inc> has anyone got double despatch notifications from "ParcelFarce"?
[1:08] <sjc> Alas, no
[1:09] <_inc> I think two pi are on the way
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[1:09] <sjc> nice
[1:09] <hadifarnoud> I'm going to try Midori and then setup flash player
[1:10] <zgreg> there's no flash
[1:11] <hadifarnoud> no flash for ARM?
[1:11] <hadifarnoud> that sux
[1:11] <_inc> wow
[1:12] <_inc> i wonder how many people will let the pi collect dust
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[1:15] <zgreg> well, just yesterday someone was very disappointed after he learned that there's no MPEG-2 support
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[1:15] <_inc> lol
[1:16] <zgreg> all these things have been documented many, many weeks ago
[1:16] <_inc> * months
[1:17] <sjc> indeed
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[1:18] <_inc> i blame the online media
[1:18] <_inc> bogging it up too much
[1:18] <_inc> * bigging it up too much
[1:18] <zgreg> you mean the "the 35$ HTPC" headlines and such? :)
[1:19] <_inc> right
[1:19] <zgreg> it was also often said that the raspberry pi would be a "small PC" or something like that
[1:19] <_inc> i mean the initial 10k were meant for people to further the software development of the device, I wonder how many actually arrived in the hands of the hackers
[1:20] <zgreg> I think such a statement can be quite deceptive, since the rpi definitely is very different from a usual PC
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[1:20] <zgreg> and that doesn't only mean it has just way less raw power available
[1:20] <SpeedEvil> It is a small PC.
[1:21] <SpeedEvil> A small 12 year old PC
[1:22] <_inc> 12 year old?
[1:22] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: you CAN argue that it is a PC, but it's not at all like a typical x86 PC (12 years old or not) and of course it's very different from the usual expectations people have when they hear "PC"
[1:23] <SpeedEvil> _inc: Of that order
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[1:24] <_inc> well its much akin to calling a HTC model android a PC. The ones with USB host can have a keyboard and mouse attached and whatnot
[1:24] <shirro> zgreg: it is a personal computer but it is not a PC which people generally equate with - can run windows
[1:25] <_inc> i mean it's a broken out SoC, it is more related to mobile devices than desktop computers or HTPCs
[1:25] <friggle> a Microsoft tablet...exactly what everyone expected
[1:25] <shirro> _inc: it is more a set to box than mobile phone
[1:25] <_inc> i still don't get the "12 year old" thing
[1:26] <_inc> well ok then, embedded device
[1:26] <shirro> _inc: and as the basis for the roku2 you can see why people confuse it with a htpc
[1:26] <_inc> i still blame the media for all this
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[1:27] <markbook> the day is coming though. but not yet.
[1:27] <hadifarnoud> how can I install xbmc on my Raspbian?
[1:27] <SpeedEvil> _inc: Comparable in general performance.
[1:28] <friggle> cpu at least. gpu is another story
[1:28] <_inc> My iPhone 4 is compatible to my pc 5 years ago
[1:28] <SpeedEvil> It's a bit of a mix really.
[1:28] <_inc> iPhone is not 5 year old tech
[1:29] <SpeedEvil> It's more like a 12yo PC, with a somewhat newer graphics card.
[1:29] <_inc> thats llke saying the arduino mega has nothing on my old atari
[1:29] <friggle> or to compare it to a mobile device, better specced than iphone 3g. less so than 3gs
[1:30] <hadifarnoud> should I install XBMC from https://github.com/OpenELEC/xbmc or a simple apt-get install xbmc?
[1:30] * _inc looks for projects in development for GPIO
[1:31] <_inc> hadifarnoud:openelec if you can cross compile it
[1:31] <_inc> hadifarnoud: might be a bit tacky to get working though, network configuration for example
[1:32] <_inc> i love openelec but haven't seen it on the pi
[1:32] <hadifarnoud> hmm, was wondering if any1 did install xbmc on raspbian
[1:33] <_inc> hadifarnoud: if you are on raspian now then try the apt-get, the version in the repo would be easier to get working than to cross-compile openelec from source
[1:33] <_inc> and if its in the repo then someone has tried it yea
[1:34] <hadifarnoud> cheers. will give it a try
[1:34] <friggle> xbmc from the repos will not work
[1:34] <friggle> the xbmc with pi support is a separate development branch, that is not distributed in upstream debian now has it been packaged for raspbian
[1:35] <_inc> hadifarnoud: based on newly received info, disregard what i said
[1:35] <_inc> :P
[1:35] <hadifarnoud> :( cant wait for xbmc
[1:35] <friggle> hadifarnoud: you're best off downloading openlec or raspbmc
[1:35] <friggle> *openelec
[1:35] <hadifarnoud> any1 knows a good lightweight media player like vlc?
[1:36] <_inc> for?
[1:36] <hadifarnoud> friggle: yeah I know. I wanted to have it all in raspbian.
[1:36] <plugwash> the problem we have is that it's enough of a workload just trying to keep the main raspbian repo in shape in the face of changes from debian
[1:36] <hadifarnoud> well audio playback.
[1:37] <plugwash> we would welcome packages for Pi specific stuff but they need to be done properly and so far noone has shown up with such packages
[1:37] <friggle> plugwash: plus xbmc is not exactly the most trivial package around :)
[1:37] <hadifarnoud> would be nice to have it there plugwash
[1:38] <hadifarnoud> ok
[1:38] <friggle> hadifarnoud: plugwash: we need more people with packaging knowledge/experience (or who are willing to learn)
[1:38] <hadifarnoud> true that
[1:38] * plugwash pushes hadifarnoud in the direction of the debian new maintainers guide
[1:38] <shirro> friggle: and time
[1:39] <friggle> shirro: yes, that one is a little problematic too :)
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[1:39] <_inc> I'm very nearly a BSc Comp Sci
[1:39] <_inc> whats the problem what what?
[1:40] <_inc> no porters?
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[1:41] <_inc> ah repo maintenance, i don't have experience there
[1:41] <hadifarnoud> anyone knows linux alternative for mac's automator?
[1:41] <shirro> It people want vlc I can tell you the omx stuff in it compiles cleanly (though I have no idea what it will do), at least for the version in wheezy. And there is an egl backend but it obviously needs the bcm boilerplate added. It might be an interesting project for someone.
[1:41] <shirro> hadifarnoud: bash
[1:42] <shirro> hadifarnoud: no probably more python and dbus really
[1:42] <_inc> yeaaa
[1:42] <_inc> i will say more python than bash
[1:43] <hadifarnoud> it's a web-based task. need to login somewhere do a bit of clicking. not possible by bash (I think) since it's mostly ajax based stuff running in browser
[1:43] <_inc> oh
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[1:43] <hadifarnoud> must be something for that somewhere.
[1:44] <_inc> yea well applescripts can tie in with the webkit API, so javascript and the likes it easy
[1:44] <hadifarnoud> applescripts is awesome. very slow though. but works for me.
[1:46] <_inc> if the site degrades gracefully (i.e. works just the same with javascript off), then bash should be able to automate such tasks
[1:47] <_inc> try turning javascript off in chrome or whatever, and see if you can do said tasks manually
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[1:47] <shirro> hadifarnoud: linux was totally into the whole component desktop thing with everything exposed and scriptable. I think KDE still might be. Gnome not so much afaik. LibreOffice is fairly scriptable. If I was doing a web based thing like this I would probably not be scripting a desktop app. There are tools like BeautifulSoup to parse web pages and you can run an emulated dom in nodejs and lots of other cool things. Often all you need is curl
[1:47] <shirro> bit of a script.
[1:47] <hadifarnoud> unfortunately it's a stupid js only script
[1:48] <hadifarnoud> thanks shirro. will give BeatifulSoup a try
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[1:49] <shirro> You could probably do something with a firefox extension. Might be easier
[1:49] <hadifarnoud> let's see whats out there
[1:50] <shirro> hadifarnoud: I conflated a few things. BeautifulSoup will just let you parse a web page in py. If you need javascript it gets messier.
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[1:51] <hadifarnoud> arg. ok, thanks for letting me know
[1:52] <shirro> can you use greasemonkey?
[1:52] <_inc> XUL
[1:53] <hadifarnoud> I think I can use greasemonkey. don't know how XUL works
[1:53] <_inc> ok so i've been in internet hibernation for a few weeks, whats the latest GPIO projects worth looking at?
[1:54] <shirro> _inc: I haven't got to gpio yet but there is bootc kernel and gordonDrogon stuff
[1:58] <_inc> oooh wiringPi
[1:58] <_inc> sweet
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[2:13] <bardzusny> hey #rpi
[2:13] <Noidality> hi
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[2:15] <Noidality> Anyone still burning the midnight oil?
[2:15] <shirro> timezonist!
[2:15] <Noidality> ;-)
[2:15] * sjc !
[2:15] <sjc> 01:13 and no sign of going to bed :P
[2:15] <Noidality> I can't help it if you're on the wrong side of the planet!!!
[2:16] <IT_Sean> 8.14 here
[2:16] <IT_Sean> And YOU are the one on the wrong side of the planet
[2:16] <Noidality> oooh! Come HERE and say that! :-p ;-)
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[2:17] <IT_Sean> I will, if you pay for the airline tickets.
[2:17] <Noidality> Anyone know if they've made any progress with the DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: Xact Err with NYET/NAK/ACK issue?
[2:17] * Noidality posts IT_Sean $600
[2:17] <IT_Sean> Where are you?
[2:17] <shirro> Actually given the longitude of all the people who make all your electronic gear some distance to the north of me I would say I am on the right side.
[2:17] <Noidality> The UK
[2:18] <IT_Sean> Ah, i was just there!
[2:18] <IT_Sean> :/
[2:18] <Noidality> And you didn't come visit? YOU BASTARD
[2:18] <Noidality> ;-)
[2:18] <IT_Sean> Sorry, i was working!
[2:18] <Noidality> Cuh! Likely Escuse.
[2:18] <sjc> IT_Sean: you're on the wrong side. We are the home of the Pi, and we have Pis ... who doesn't... you don't! :P
[2:18] <IT_Sean> I was!
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[2:19] <Noidality> IT_Sean: i guess you're on the east coast of the US?
[2:19] <IT_Sean> I am.
[2:19] <Noidality> (Or CanadiaLand)
[2:19] <Noidality> Whereabouts?
[2:19] <sjc> morning iMatttt
[2:19] <IT_Sean> NJ
[2:19] <_inc> New Yoik?
[2:19] <IT_Sean> NJ
[2:19] <_inc> close
[2:20] <Noidality> :-)
[2:20] <Noidality> Noo Joisey
[2:20] <Noidality> Am getting Married up in Upstate Noo Yoik in a month or so... Can't wait.
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[2:20] <sjc> Noo Yoik Noo Yoik
[2:20] <IT_Sean> You do know we don't all talk like that, right?
[2:21] <sjc> IT_Sean: you would say that, yoi're a Joisey boi :P
[2:21] <Noidality> Don't burst my stereotype!
[2:21] <_inc> my only knowledge of foreign jersey are the monstrosities that are popular on MTV
[2:21] * IT_Sean pops it with a pushpin
[2:21] <IT_Sean> Come visit, then.
[2:21] <Noidality> I'll wave as we fly over :)
[2:21] <IT_Sean> See all the sights, hear all the sounds, smell all the smells!
[2:22] <IT_Sean> I'd probably see you, depending on which airport you come in to.
[2:22] <Noidality> I love Noo Yoik. Apart from seeing a sign to the "Jersey Turnpike", I've not had the pleasure :)
[2:22] <_inc> do you have NEW Jersey cows?
[2:22] <IT_Sean> Not here.
[2:22] <IT_Sean> Too built up
[2:22] <IT_Sean> Want cows? You need to get further away from NY.
[2:22] <Noidality> ;-)
[2:23] <IT_Sean> I live due west of lower manhatten. :p
[2:23] <_inc> yea, thats the only thing i can think of native Jersey
[2:23] <_inc> Cows and play.com
[2:23] <Noidality> play.com?
[2:23] <_inc> like a british amazon
[2:24] <_inc> they are based in Jersey
[2:24] <Noidality> Ahhhh.. OLD Jersey gotcha
[2:24] <_inc> or rather they ship from there to avoid tax
[2:24] <Noidality> I was like "Blimey, they post fast from New Joisey"
[2:24] <Noidality> Have Pis arrived in the Uncle Sam of Americaland yet?
[2:25] <shirro> Noidality: they are everywhere. Haven't you seen the map?
[2:25] <Noidality> I saw tha tthey've delivered to Oz and New Zealand.
[2:25] <Noidality> Got a mate in Darwin who got one.
[2:25] <shirro> http://rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/
[2:25] <_inc> where is "Old Zealand"?
[2:25] <shirro> I am in south australia and have two
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[2:26] <Noidality> I think there's a "Zealand" in Holland.
[2:27] <Noidality> Anyhoo.. Since I've plugged in a USB HDD, My poor root partition is being filled up with DEBUG messages in the /var/log/messages
[2:28] <Noidality> anyone any idea how to stop/fix this?
[2:28] <_inc> oooh danish colonials
[2:28] <_inc> TIL
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[2:28] <_inc> reroute to dev/null
[2:28] <Noidality> haha
[2:29] <Noidality> ok. the message seems to indicate an Error, though.. ln -s to dev null would fix one issue.....
[2:29] <Noidality> if it's harmless I'll do that until the issue is fixed.
[2:30] <_inc> whats the message?
[2:30] <Noidality> DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: Xact Err with NYET/NAK/ACK seems a lot of people are getting it, but there's no answer on whether it's bad or fixable.
[2:32] <_inc> hmmm
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[2:33] <shirro> Noidality: easy fix. don't use usb
[2:34] <Noidality> I'll just whap on a SATA Drive then.. oh.. wait :(
[2:34] <Noidality> :'(
[2:34] <mute> and sdio ethernet?
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[2:36] <_inc> Noidality: is it a powered drive?
[2:36] <Noidality> yeah.. it's in its own powered bay
[2:37] <shirro> I love the docs for that function say it is there because of a possible hardware bug. I just love hardware bugs
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[2:37] <Noidality> :(
[2:38] <Noidality> I dunno about sdio to ethernet, but I wouldn't mind giving sdio to sata a try if the issue is unfixable USB hardware bug.
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[2:39] <plugwash> shirro, my favorite hardware comment is still the introductory text in the bsd driver for the rtl8139
[2:42] <Noidality> hmm.. ok.. I'll cat /var/log/messages to /dev/null to keep the pi upright for now, then, and keep rpi-updating ;-)
[2:43] <_inc> sorry went on a research trance
[2:43] <Noidality> :) s'ok
[2:44] <_inc> apparently, like mentioned, there is a potential hardware screwup concerning usb ports
[2:44] <Noidality> :-(
[2:45] <_inc> the ack/nack thing had me thinking the drive wasn't getting sufficient power on negotiation.. but its externally powered
[2:45] <shirro> plugwash: this? http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/pci/if_rl.c - I like opinionated documentation
[2:45] <_inc> i dont know
[2:45] <plugwash> shirro, that's the one
[2:45] <Noidality> yeah, it's not a power issue, I've got the pi powered by a bench supply delivering a smooth 5v @700ma, no drop.
[2:46] <plugwash> Noidality, what about the voltage on the USB port connected to the drive?
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[2:46] <Noidality> 4.8v
[2:46] <markbook> shirro: that's why commercial closed source hardware manufacturers don't like open-source drivers :-)
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[2:47] <plugwash> ok so probablly not a power problem then
[2:47] <Noidality> Sadly no.
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[2:48] <Noidality> HAve tried with a few different hubs and routers with same issue, so shifted to a bench supply and massacred a Samsung charger cable ;-)
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[2:48] <plugwash> the USB situation on the Pi is a mess, there are the power problems, the hardware design seems poor from what little we know of it and the driver is apparently a steaming POS
[2:49] <Noidality> hmmm. not good then? ;-)
[2:49] <_inc> hypothetically speaking, with todays technology would it be possible to open up an IC, photograph all the internals in an electron microscope and use image processing to get a compose a model of the chip?
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> Yes.
[2:49] <Noidality> I can't believe anything to do with David Braben would possibly be rushed out before it was completed! Look at Frontier, that was.... hmmm.. never mind.
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> You can get that done in china.
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> It's quite expensive
[2:50] <IT_Sean> But less expensive than devloping your own chip.
[2:50] <plugwash> _inc, you can but it's HARD with modern chips
[2:50] <IT_Sean> Bloody chinese.
[2:50] <Noidality> Hey! I'm chinese!
[2:51] <Noidality> only kidding.
[2:51] <IT_Sean> Sorry.
[2:51] <IT_Sean> oh
[2:51] <IT_Sean> you bugger!
[2:51] <Noidality> ;-)
[2:51] * Noidality chuckles.
[2:51] <_inc> interestinggggg
[2:51] <plugwash> and there are tricks that can be done to make chips harder to reverse engineer like storing cricital stuff in floating gates hidden under metal layers
[2:52] <_inc> oh right
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[2:52] <_inc> its just a though I've had now and was surprised i haven't heard of this happen in the industry
[2:53] <shirro> plugwash: just make dumb, buggy hardware and supply a convoluted driver to do all the work. who is going to reverse engineer that? oh, wait....
[2:53] <plugwash> i'm sure it does happen to an extent, i've certainly heard rumours of counterfiet prolific USB-ethernet chips
[2:54] <plugwash> another problem is even if you do manage to extract the design to make an exact copy of a complex design is likely to require a semiconductor foundry as similar as possible to the one that originally made it
[2:54] <plugwash> you may be able to steal the design of an intel chip but you will find it much harder to steal the process technology that allows that design to be manufactured
[2:55] <Noidality> sneak into TSMC after they've gone home and run off a few thousand copies.. Shhh.
[2:55] <_inc> :)
[2:56] <shirro> I am waiting for Nvidia to come up with an alternative to Broadcom's Pi. That will be the one to wait for http://i.imgur.com/jpJfG.jpg
[2:56] <_inc> i was looking into homebrew computer builds and that came up
[2:56] <_inc> in my head
[2:56] <ReggieUK> shirro, nfsw next time please!
[2:56] <Noidality> The NvidiPi GF580 Extreme XXX Edition. TDP: 350Watts.
[2:57] <_inc> i was wondering how far someone has gone in simulating an existing design/architecture homebrew style
[2:57] <ReggieUK> or just don't bother at all if it's inappropriate content
[2:57] <ReggieUK> nsfw*
[2:57] <shirro> ReggieUK: sorry, forgot I was on the pg13 channel
[2:58] <IT_Sean> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diCvsKmDsng&feature=youtu.be
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[2:59] <shirro> Smokers PC as the worst. Factory PCs not much better
[2:59] * Guest38082 nods
[2:59] <Guest38082> ?!
[2:59] <Guest38082> uno momento
[2:59] <_inc> I've seen used vacuum bags cleaner than that
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[3:00] <shirro> Why does that guy not have a mask on?
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[3:00] <Noidality> I used to have to fix PCs from offices. Before they banned smoking you'd get PCs which were literally dripping with tar inside :-/
[3:00] <IT_Sean> 'cause he's a .. .. .. [word i cannot say in #raspberrypi] ?
[3:00] <_inc> have you seen the image of the spider nest case?
[3:00] <IT_Sean> eeww..
[3:00] <Matt> that's better
[3:00] <IT_Sean> I hate spiders!
[3:00] <Noidality> yea
[3:00] <_inc> me too
[3:01] <_inc> it was not a nice site
[3:01] <_inc> sight *
[3:01] <Noidality> they are evil. That's a scientific fact.
[3:01] <Matt> they're useful
[3:02] <IT_Sean> they are dirty evil buggers
[3:02] <_inc> i remember a "blog" (air quotes as this was pre-wordpress days) of a repair technicians nightmare cases
[3:02] <_inc> mice, spiders, dust etc...
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[3:02] <ReggieUK> 1/2 eaten cookies
[3:02] <IT_Sean> The worst i have ever seen was an all in one PC (one of those gateway piles of crap) that had been in a house fire. Soot everywhere.
[3:02] <IT_Sean> clumps of it.
[3:02] <Matt> jam sandwiches
[3:03] <IT_Sean> And it smelled awful
[3:03] <Matt> IT_Sean: language
[3:03] <Noidality> :-s
[3:03] <Matt> :)
[3:03] <IT_Sean> what.. gateway?
[3:03] <IT_Sean> :p
[3:03] <ReggieUK> indeed
[3:03] <Noidality> At least they weren't Escom
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[3:03] <Noidality> :-o
[3:04] <Matt> I had a friend who worked for Time Computers for a while
[3:04] <Matt> they did some really nasty stuff
[3:04] <Matt> he really hated working there too
[3:04] <Matt> got out as soon as he found something else
[3:04] <_inc> blast from the past!
[3:04] <_inc> time, gateway
[3:04] <shirro> If they were serious about stopping people smoking they would make everyone service a chain smokers pc. It gives a totally new perspective
[3:05] <Matt> they used to ship with modified modem drivers that would only dial the ISPs that were pre-configured
[3:05] * Noidality nods. I had to fix a time computer once.. The silly people who put it together must have thought the thermal paste was glue.... once it melted, the fan helicoptered inside the case spraying the compound everywhere :-/
[3:05] <Matt> which of course Time got kick-backs from
[3:06] <trevorman> _inc: only part of gateway I liked was the cow print boxes they came in...
[3:06] <_inc> haha
[3:06] <Noidality> hehehe.. true.
[3:06] <_inc> oh remember the modem sounds
[3:07] <IT_Sean> My new computer came in a UPS laptop box.
[3:07] <IT_Sean> and some bubble wrap
[3:07] <IT_Sean> Not even a box inna box
[3:07] <Noidality> I've still got the Pi sat in the little cardboard box it came in :) Perfectly good case ;-)
[3:08] <NatureTM> So for a easy family os for the tv that non-linux ppl can use, go with the default debian?
[3:09] <IT_Sean> Sorry, correction, it came in a ThinkPad branded UPS laptop box. :p
[3:09] <IT_Sean> http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/81/dscn2438sn.jpg
[3:09] <sjc> time.. gateway... tiny :P
[3:09] <Noidality> night all.. It's been fun chatting. take care over there Sean! :)
[3:09] <IT_Sean> http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1374/dscn2440cx.jpg
[3:09] <IT_Sean> Later
[3:09] * Noidality waves
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[3:09] * IT_Sean waves
[3:10] <NatureTM> is there a particularly noob friendly os, like ubuntu?
[3:11] <_inc> linux mint?
[3:11] <sjc> IT_Sean: machines are often sent like that - packaged sufficiently that they can be sold like that, or mailed that way without extra boxes. Whack a shipping label on and you're done :P
[3:11] <IT_Sean> In general, or for the raspi?
[3:11] <NatureTM> for raspi
[3:11] <IT_Sean> The Official distro would be my recommendation
[3:11] <NatureTM> ok, that's what I was thinking, thx
[3:11] <IT_Sean> sjc, i wasn't complaining, just an observation
[3:11] <sjc> Yup, stock Debian is probably the best way to go - most support
[3:12] <IT_Sean> I'm entirely pleased w/ the new laptop, and that includes the buying experiance.
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[3:12] <shirro> NatureTM: The Pi is not noob friendly. It is for learning tech
[3:12] <NatureTM> right, but it
[3:12] <NatureTM> 's cheap so I have other plans
[3:12] <sjc> IT_Sean: I've had Macs which obviously came in a shiny Mac bokx within shipping box, but I'm seeing plenty now just packaged to ship, straight off the assembly line :P
[3:12] <IT_Sean> Right.
[3:13] <IT_Sean> I dunno how they ship new macs, as i purchased my latest Mac (about a year ago now) in person, at an Apple Store, and carried it out. :p
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[3:13] <shirro> NatureTM: It doesn't have enough memory to run most nice looking modern GUIs and it struggles to load a web page in a modern browser. That machine is quite capable for intended purpose but software bloat has left it behind
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[3:17] <NatureTM> shirro, so if my gf wants to use it to watch a fullscreen youtube vid or use some streaming site in firefox she will be dissapointed?
[3:17] <NatureTM> *music streaming
[3:17] <shirro> very. you will be sleeping on the couch
[3:17] <SpeedEvil> Firefox won't play most media
[3:17] <_inc> NatureTM: it can't handle flash
[3:17] <SpeedEvil> as there is no flash
[3:17] <NatureTM> oh
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> and firefox video if you can do html5 at all is liable to be slideshow
[3:18] <_inc> NatureTM: not saying it works but its poor, it DOES NOT WORK AT ALL. The Pi uses arm architecture which flash wasn't built for
[3:19] <SpeedEvil> umm...
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[3:19] <_inc> SpeedEvil: really? i thought there were just x86 binaries?
[3:19] <bardzusny> SpeedEvil: I don't think Android version works on Pi
[3:19] <shirro> I have only got webm html video going and the frame rate is 1 every few seconds. Theoretically with gstreamer omx support we might see h264 web video running nicely in a couple of web browser or with omx support in chrome. Not sure what year that might happen.
[3:20] <IT_Sean> NatureTM, if you want to use the pi as a proper computer, at present, you will be disaponted.
[3:20] <bardzusny> no hardware support for webm decoding, I presume?
[3:20] <IT_Sean> For what you will spend on a Pi, and the accessories, buy a secondhand laptop off of ebay.
[3:20] <bardzusny> of course not
[3:20] <_inc> no wait hold on, there are flash binaries on ARM?
[3:20] <bardzusny> it's quite new
[3:20] <bardzusny> (answering myself)
[3:20] <NatureTM> Well, I'll have other fun with it then
[3:21] <bardzusny> _inc: there is flash for android
[3:21] <IT_Sean> I don't want to discourage you from getting one, i just don't want your ggirlfriend to castrate you when she can't youtube :p
[3:21] <_inc> bardzusny: yeaaaaaa, but it won't work outside of a certain hardware profile right?
[3:21] <bardzusny> but even if it was for arm11 and even if it somehow could be got to work in non-android environment...slideshow is very optimistic
[3:21] <SpeedEvil> _inc: Flash for android won't work on Pi
[3:22] <NatureTM> I have one, and it will be worth it, I'll just stop telling her we'll be able to use it like a slow computer on the tv
[3:22] <_inc> i mean it won't work outside a device that HTC or whomever designed?
[3:22] <shirro> if your gf is really technical she might like one for debugging kernel drivers. As good as flowers for some I a sure
[3:22] <bardzusny> _inc: it's available for any phone in android market
[3:22] <bardzusny> any android phone
[3:22] <trevorman> ^
[3:22] <bardzusny> any modern android phone
[3:23] <bardzusny> I'm not sure about older ones, but armv7 and up - works
[3:23] <trevorman> would be a tad extreme to emulate all of the necessary bits of android just to get flash working
[3:23] <_inc> whats the floss alternative called? moonshine or something?
[3:23] <bardzusny> flash is obsolete, let's leave it to rot
[3:23] <bardzusny> for flash? gnash?
[3:24] <trevorman> even for android its deprecated anyway
[3:24] <bardzusny> trevorman: yes
[3:24] <_inc> gnash yea
[3:24] <bardzusny> :)
[3:24] <bardzusny> that tells a lot
[3:24] <Hybridsix> can the PI handle any HTML5 video decoding?
[3:24] <Hybridsix> even on customized pages?
[3:24] <Hybridsix> I have mine... still havent had a chance to sit down and play with it. too much work!
[3:24] <trevorman> Hybridsix: it only does h264 and mpeg4
[3:24] <bardzusny> h264 is good news
[3:24] <Hybridsix> will it decode those in a web browser?
[3:24] <Hybridsix> or only with its media player app?
[3:24] <trevorman> if you need to do mpeg2, webm, vc1 etc... then you dont' want the rpi
[3:25] <Hybridsix> like luakit or something?
[3:25] <trevorman> doubt any browser supports it at the moment
[3:25] <Hybridsix> hrm
[3:25] <Hybridsix> just curious!
[3:25] <Hybridsix> I cut the adafruit acrylic case for mine
[3:25] <Hybridsix> fits well.
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[3:27] <NatureTM> so... It specifically supports h264 in hw? Is there opengl?
[3:28] <IT_Sean> The GPU will decode h264 and mpeg2, and only in a supported media playing app, i believe.
[3:28] <trevorman> mpeg4
[3:28] <trevorman> *cough*
[3:28] <IT_Sean> sorry, 4
[3:28] <Matt> I was gonna say
[3:28] <_inc> NatureTM: opengl es
[3:28] <IT_Sean> mpeg[eleventybillion] /drevil
[3:28] <Matt> cause mpeg2 would actually be helpful for me :)
[3:28] <trevorman> well it does in theory support mpeg2. we just don't have the codec license so it doesn't work
[3:29] <IT_Sean> dammed license
[3:29] <IT_Sean> And on that, i am off
[3:29] <trevorman> roku use the same broadcom soc in their roku 2 boxes but even they don't bother with mpeg2
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[3:29] <_inc> it will be reverse engineered in 10 years or so
[3:29] <trevorman> useful :P
[3:30] <bardzusny> once there was a device with comparable price and killer specs compared to pi...seagate dockstar?
[3:31] <trevorman> dockstar has no video output
[3:32] <ReggieUK> I think a lot of people are just looking at the pi from the wrong angle :)
[3:32] <bardzusny> yes, and I just checked it had armv5
[3:32] <plugwash> the dockstar seems a lot more expensive than the Pi, still if your project is storage focussed a hackable NAS is probablly a better bet than a Pi
[3:32] <plugwash> because it is likely to have native sata and native ethernet
[3:32] <trevorman> its a bit lacking in RAM as well
[3:33] <trevorman> its got gigabit I think
[3:33] <ReggieUK> I guess it depends what you want teh pi to do really
[3:33] <trevorman> everything!
[3:33] <trevorman> >.>
[3:33] <bardzusny> plugwash: the price was lower before people started installing debian on it
[3:33] <ReggieUK> I want to be able to capture a 640x480 webcam image once every couple of seconds
[3:33] <trevorman> the mele boxes seem to be current favoured hacking device
[3:33] <bardzusny> talking and talking about this pi, and I still don't have one...would make sweet portable wifi router
[3:33] <trevorman> + whatever the A10 next ends up in
[3:34] <trevorman> bardzusny: why not just buy a mifi
[3:34] <plugwash> trevorman, mmm, you mean the IPTV boxes that have specs comparable to a beaglexm but at a much lower price?
[3:36] <trevorman> 1GHz A10, SATA, ethernet, composite, HDMI and VGA
[3:36] <bardzusny> maybe in other words, great improvement over my current setup (openwrt router with second wifi on usb)
[3:37] <trevorman> bardzusny: you'd need a USB hub for the rpi
[3:37] <bardzusny> yeah
[3:37] <bardzusny> playtime :)
[3:38] <bardzusny> hmm, most importantly, it's full os
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[4:16] <megatog615> i got my adafruit pi box
[4:16] <megatog615> it came in a nondescript white box
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[4:16] <jamesglanville> this is probably a silly question, but do model As exist?
[4:17] <jamesglanville> or are all the sold ones b?
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[4:23] <ollymorfik_> not sure when the model A will be available
[4:27] <megatog615> model a is more economical if you're making a cluster i think
[4:27] <megatog615> can pis be linked at high speed with gpio?
[4:27] <cehteh> without ethernet :)
[4:27] <cehteh> gpio drivers are all cpu, no dma
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[4:28] <DaQatz> A is better if you are already going to provide your own hub and networking.
[4:28] <DaQatz> Which you pretty much have to anyway if you want more then a keyboard and mouse.
[4:29] <ReggieUK> depends how they implement power handling for the model a
[4:29] <ReggieUK> and whether people have other methods for getting keyboard/mouse running on a pi by then
[4:29] <DaQatz> Powered hub either way.
[4:29] <DaQatz> Since I want run an external HD
[4:37] <neofutur> A is better if yo udont need ram . . .
[4:37] <neofutur> 256 is already low, 128 . . . no way for me
[4:37] <neofutur> a have only 128 mb ram nop ?
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[4:39] <tnovelli> lol, that's right, Android phones do Flash no prob
[4:39] <ReggieUK> ram will be the same on teh A as it is on the B
[4:40] <tnovelli> oops, i was in scrollback..
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[4:41] <tnovelli> Yeah, model A is gonna have 256 too.. they changed it
[4:41] <Syliss> i wonder how much longer till the A comes out
[4:41] <tnovelli> doesn't anybody read the raspi blog?
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[4:43] <tnovelli> Not sure I'd want an A... only if I could tether it to the PC via USB, since there's no ethernet..
[4:43] <Syliss> i do
[4:43] <tnovelli> what software?
[4:44] <Syliss> i meant the blog
[4:44] <tnovelli> oh ahaha
[4:44] <Syliss> lulz
[4:44] <Syliss> why would u have to tether it?
[4:44] <Syliss> usb hub with usb wifi
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[4:44] <Syliss> easy
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[4:45] <tnovelli> so instead of a simple cable, I also need 2 active devices plus my house wifi? so complicated
[4:45] <tnovelli> I guess I'm thinking of RPI as more of an embedded device than a "real computer"
[4:45] <markbook> it makes some sense for mobile apps.
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[4:46] <markbook> tnovelli: yeah, a model A would be for things like robotic controllers where a net cable isn't useful.
[4:46] <tnovelli> I want to do OS development on the PC and boot it on the RPI
[4:46] <tnovelli> boot it over ethernet or USB
[4:47] <Syliss> you can't, its not able to do over ether
[4:47] <tnovelli> bummer
[4:47] <markbook> or for things like classroom where the extra $10US could be avoided by using USB NICs for class but still give the device to the students.
[4:47] <tnovelli> I was thinking crossover cable and PXE.. oh well
[4:47] <markbook> not yet.
[4:48] <markbook> there's no theoretical reason you couldn't create a PXE image on the SD card and have it net-boot
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[4:48] <markbook> but it's not built in.
[4:48] <tnovelli> that
[4:48] <Syliss> can't do power over ether either
[4:48] <trevorman> the soc can do otg but that'd only work with model a
[4:48] <trevorman> and no idea if drivers exist for it
[4:48] <tnovelli> er, um, I could write a USB bootloader and stick that on the SD card
[4:48] <markbook> yep
[4:49] <markbook> you just add a boot step.
[4:49] <markbook> and what ever's on the SD has to be able to initialize the comm devices and then allow itself to be overwritten.
[4:49] <trevorman> tnovelli: you can kexec assuming you're okay with the extra work
[4:49] <tnovelli> I can test that in qemu
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[4:50] <tnovelli> trevorman: kexec.. escape from a linux kernel.. yeah....
[4:51] <trevorman> tnovelli: I said if you're okay with it :P
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[4:52] <tnovelli> of course the whole idea is not to have a bloated Linux system.. I'd want a really minimal rootfs
[4:52] <tnovelli> and besides, an early step in osdev would be USB support, which would also go in the bootloader
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[4:53] <neofutur> ah ideed if it have 256 mb ram, the model A can be interesting
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[4:57] <tnovelli> yeah, so, A or B will do, whichever I get my hands on first... assuming I've got something working in qemu
[4:59] <trevorman> they're still franticly trying to make model Bs so model A won't appear for ages. not unless somebody puts in a massive order for them like a bunch of schools
[4:59] <tnovelli> doubtful that i'll ever get around to it, but RPI seems like a great device for homebrew osdev... unlike the PC.
[4:59] <trevorman> why not the PC?
[5:01] <tnovelli> too many hardware variations... hundreds of GPUs, etc.
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[5:02] <a5m0> tnovelli, on that note, there are tons and tons of devboards
[5:02] <a5m0> not really fair to say that r-pi is totally unique
[5:03] <a5m0> so i've got archlinux on my r-pi can anyone recommend some programs that will run well? i tried midori browser, runs ok, but crashes on sites with lots of javascript
[5:04] <trevorman> tnovelli: problem with the rpi is that a lot of it is not documented publicly
[5:05] <trevorman> the bootloader runs off the GPU so its just a bunch of binary blobs. the GPU itself relies on libraries which are provided compiled already by broadcom *shrug*
[5:05] <mikey_w> Damn NDAs.
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[5:07] <trevorman> trying to protect their secret sauce recipe. not particularly unusual for the embedded market unfortunately.
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[5:08] <mikey_w> Let's start a fund to offer as a bribe for the internal documents.
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[5:16] <Syliss> i want the A for the lap dock, since its smaller profile and just use the 2 usb ports on it for wifi
[5:18] <Syliss> i just wish amazon would become a distributor of the rpi.
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[5:21] <trevorman> Syliss: its only got 1 USB port
[5:22] <Syliss> the lapdock
[5:22] <Syliss> it has 2
[5:22] <trevorman> ah right
[5:22] <trevorman> thought you meant the rpi
[5:22] <Syliss> na
[5:22] <Syliss> i do like the b
[5:22] <Syliss> but it being lower would help in the case to make it more compact
[5:22] <tnovelli> trevorman: bootloader on the gpu? sheesh
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[5:23] <trevorman> Syliss: you'd only save a couple mm. the composite video socket is pretty high still :|
[5:23] <trevorman> tnovelli: yes
[5:23] <Syliss> speaking of, i need to get a new solder head and hammer it to make a hot knife so i can cut the clear box i have
[5:23] <megatog615> anyone ever try bsnes with the pi? :)
[5:23] <trevorman> tnovelli: the 3 bootloader files all run on the GPU
[5:23] <Syliss> id remove it
[5:24] <Syliss> if I'm using it for that i don't need composite
[5:24] <tnovelli> a5m0: are there any other inexpensive dev boards that *don't* have these NDA binary blob headaches?
[5:24] <Syliss> and maybe by the time the A's come out, they will be easy to get and no waiting other then simple shipping
[5:24] <Syliss> if so id buy like 3
[5:25] <tnovelli> Syliss: you could just heat a knife on a stove or whatever
[5:25] <Syliss> i just wish the sd card didn't stick out so much
[5:26] <Syliss> meh, 2 bucks and i can get a solder point, and it will stand up to the heat ok
[5:26] <trevorman> Syliss: I tried a RSMMC and it didn't like it. YMMV
[5:26] <Syliss> too old for it
[5:26] <Syliss> lol
[5:26] <trevorman> the docs for the SDHCI controller say it should do MMC as well
[5:27] <Syliss> maybe brand?
[5:27] <trevorman> but bootloader does its own weird things
[5:27] <trevorman> possibly. only have one type of RSMMC cards here so can't test any others
[5:27] <a5m0> tnovelli, probably the beagleboard
[5:27] <ReggieUK> what the docs say and the drivers do are 2 different things :D
[5:27] <trevorman> ReggieUK: yeah :|
[5:27] <trevorman> an accurate schematic would be nice as well
[5:28] <trevorman> there is at least 1 known difference. wonder if there are any more
[5:28] <a5m0> what's this lapdock?
[5:28] <Syliss> motorola lap dock, made for 3 or 4 android phones
[5:29] <Syliss> its basically a keyboard, mouse, screen, battery, and 2 port hub all-in-one
[5:29] <trevorman> plug in via HDMI + USB so it'll work on pretty much everything
[5:29] <Syliss> yep
[5:30] <Syliss> but it has to be plugged in via hdmi for it to turn on
[5:30] <trevorman> ah cool. uboot is working for the rpi
[5:32] <tnovelli> a5m0: nah, the beagleboard has proprietary gfx drivers too. And it's kinda expensive.. and buggy hardware I hear..
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[5:33] <tnovelli> trevorman: now we're talking
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[5:33] <trevorman> something with a mali gpu is your best bet since thats the one with the furthest along open source drivers. still not fully working but its getting there slowly.
[5:34] <trevorman> tnovelli: http://kernelnomicon.org/ <--- not tried it myself
[5:35] <Syliss> i think the mk802 thingy has mali
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[5:38] <Syliss> if it wasn't $75~ for the mk802, it would be great for the lap dock. maybe even better since its ics.
[5:41] <tnovelli> oh, that's got nice specs
[5:43] <Syliss> and it looks like puppy and ubuntu will run on it
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[5:46] <tnovelli> which means pretty much anything. bootable from SD card.
[5:47] <tnovelli> the Mele 1000 has an eSATA port, nice
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[5:48] <Syliss> price?
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[5:48] <tnovelli> $70
[5:49] <Syliss> little big for me
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[5:52] <Syliss> hmm
[5:53] <Syliss> if i can get the lap dock cheap enough from amazon ill see what i can do
[5:53] <tnovelli> hmm... mk802 is sold out.. apparently Mele1000 isn't.. but looks like a small niche market
[5:53] <Syliss> dx has the mk802
[5:54] <Syliss> ali has a 1gb ram one for 84 which isn't bad
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[5:56] <tnovelli> wow, they have a lot of cheap chinese tablets and stuff
[5:58] <mingdao> cheap not only in price ... *very* cheap quality
[5:58] <tnovelli> yeah, these are not ipads or galaxy tabs or HTC phones
[5:59] <tnovelli> makes me wary of mk802, mele, etc
[6:00] <Syliss> well i know engadget reviewed the mk802 and liked it
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[6:08] <tnovelli> hey thanks for the info.. time for bed
[6:08] <Syliss> np
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[6:48] <a5m0> I have archlinux on my r-pi, are there any video player programs that take advantage of the r-pi h.264 decoder for arch?
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[6:58] <megatog615> why does my pi hang when using the network a lot?
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[6:59] <mcfundash> are you overclocking?
[6:59] <megatog615> i think raspbian sets the cpu to 800 by default, so yes
[6:59] <mcfundash> megatog615
[7:00] <megatog615> but that's a safe number afaik
[7:00] <megatog615> also, it did this when i was using regular debian
[7:00] <Milos> Anyone around who knows much about BCM2708_EMMC_CLOCK_FREQ and init_emmc_clock?
[7:00] <mcfundash> try un overclocking it (delete anything with _freq from the config.txt file)
[7:01] <mcfundash> 800 is usually fine but there is a slight chance your pi could be more sensitive
[7:01] <mcfundash> also check if the network chip (one next to USB) is warm
[7:02] <megatog615> oh yes, it is hot
[7:02] <megatog615> i figure it is the heat that's doing it
[7:02] <megatog615> now that i have my adafruit case i think i will cut some breathing holes and make a mount for a laptop fan
[7:02] <mcfundash> try turning it off, putting your pi in the freezer for 2 minutes
[7:03] <Milos> eh?
[7:03] <megatog615> woah, no way
[7:03] <mcfundash> no more because if it is too cold it might get condensation
[7:03] <Milos> I have mine at 1.1GHz, voltage set to value "8"
[7:03] <Milos> not hot at all
[7:03] <mcfundash> Milos: me too
[7:03] <Milos> :)
[7:03] <megatog615> that would cause hot/cold effects
[7:03] <mcfundash> thats not the network chip though
[7:03] <megatog615> Milos: the smaller chip(usb) is what gets hot
[7:04] <Milos> that's network?
[7:04] <mcfundash> yea
[7:04] <Milos> oh
[7:04] <mcfundash> mine is running fine a 1.1ghz
[7:04] <mcfundash> with 8 ov
[7:04] <Milos> same
[7:04] <Milos> no excess heat
[7:04] <megatog615> Milos: it's technically the usb chip
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[7:04] <Milos> does USB/network share a chip?
[7:04] <mcfundash> I have a fan hooked up to the GPIO just to be safe
[7:04] <megatog615> Milos: yes
[7:04] <mcfundash> probably a placebo though
[7:04] <mjr> usb _hub_ and the network share a chip
[7:04] <megatog615> mcfundash: ah, cool
[7:05] <Milos> right
[7:05] <megatog615> mcfundash: do you have a wiring diagram(new to this stuff :)
[7:05] <Milos> so does anyone know much about BCM2708_EMMC_CLOCK_FREQ and init_emmc_clock?
[7:05] <mjr> the original usb host interface is on the SoC
[7:05] <megatog615> mcfundash: i have a few tiny laptop fans i want to try
[7:05] <Milos> because when I set both to 50MHz, I don't get best speeds, when I set both to 80MHz I don't get best speeds, when I set kernel to 50MHz and init_emmc_clock to 80MHz, then I get 33MB/s
[7:05] <mcfundash> no do you have skype though?
[7:05] <megatog615> no, lol
[7:06] <mcfundash> I could just show you over webcam
[7:06] <mcfundash> damn
[7:06] <megatog615> take a pic?
[7:06] <Milos> yeah take a picture
[7:06] <megatog615> this could be useful on the wiki, actually
[7:06] <mcfundash> hold on just a sec I'll draw a diagram
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[7:08] <Arch1mede> Milos: can you pastebin your config.txt...I want to try your settings but im not home right now
[7:08] <Milos> ok
[7:08] <Arch1mede> i installed a proper ps and a proper hub now its all working fine..so now i wanna try overclocking over volting
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[7:09] <Arch1mede> any hazard a guess when you overvolt how much shorter the life span would be?
[7:09] <Arch1mede> err anyone
[7:10] <Milos> I just run my pi off my netbook's USB port
[7:10] <Milos> >_>
[7:10] <Milos> Arch1mede, 10 years from 20 years, for example
[7:10] <megatog615> Milos: that might not be enough power
[7:10] <Milos|Netbook> Arch1mede, http://dpaste.com/761042/
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[7:10] <megatog615> not sure if netbooks have full power usb ports or not
[7:10] <Arch1mede> Milos: yeah i tried doing that but was getting 4.73 volts tp1/tp2
[7:10] <Milos> megatog615, I have absolutely no problems.
[7:10] <megatog615> Milos: well that's just perfect then, lol
[7:10] <Milos> ;)
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[7:11] <Arch1mede> Milos: thank you...so you over volt but dont over clock?
[7:11] <Milos> wat
[7:11] <Arch1mede> ohh never mind i see it now
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[7:13] <Milos> Time to read C code for the next hour to try grasp this.
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[7:15] <mcfundash> ehh...
[7:16] <mcfundash> my drawing is kinda well...
[7:16] <mcfundash> ehh
[7:16] <mcfundash> Ill upload it anyways, idk if you will understand it or not
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[7:17] <mcfundash> http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/376/newcanvasl.png
[7:17] <mcfundash> megatog615
[7:17] <mcfundash> idk if you can understand it
[7:18] <mcfundash> basicly make yellow goto black and black to red (coming from header)
[7:19] <megatog615> insterdecting...
[7:20] <megatog615> oh shit
[7:20] <megatog615> i didn't realize you could just plug the fan plug into the header directly
[7:21] <megatog615> yay i don't have to solder
[7:21] <megatog615> still have to flip some cables, but nice diagram
[7:21] <megatog615> you sure this doesn't pull too much power from the pi?
[7:24] <mcfundash> if it does, it is not significant
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[7:25] <mjr> if it's not significant, is it really "too much" then ;)
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[7:28] <jardiamj> wow, raspbmc is looking very nice..
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[7:28] <jardiamj> I'm watching my youtube videos right now, with no problem what so ever
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[7:30] <jardiamj> I bought a 16GB class 10 SDcard for my camera, but it works perfectly with my RPi, so my camera will have to wait for a new card... haha
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[7:37] <megatog615> mcfundash: ok i'm going to try it
[7:39] <megatog615> mcfundash: actually, laptop fans seem to have the yellow in the middle; is the wiring the same?
[7:40] <megatog615> color-wise, i mean
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[7:59] <mcfundash> just make it so Red from fan goes to +5vdc and black to ground, NOTHING TO MIDDLE
[7:59] <mcfundash> megatog615
[8:00] <megatog615> ok
[8:00] <mcfundash> did you try it?
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[8:01] <mcfundash> if it doesn't work, just switch the wires around until itdoes
[8:01] <mcfundash> just make sure nothing connects to pin inbetween +5v and ground on the GPIO
[8:05] <mcfundash> megatog615 did you try it?
[8:06] <megatog615> lol
[8:06] <megatog615> yeah i've been trying it
[8:06] <megatog615> the first fan i tried instantly crashed the pi
[8:07] <ollymorfik_> doenst have the amps to power it
[8:07] <megatog615> YES
[8:07] <mcfundash> no it does
[8:07] <megatog615> i found one that works
[8:07] <megatog615> the other one was unlabled and i had no idea how many amps it used
[8:07] <mcfundash> yea you probably connected to the middle pin, that goes straight to the chip
[8:07] <mcfundash> amps smamps
[8:07] <megatog615> nah, i left the middle unconnected
[8:07] <mcfundash> don't mean anything with little fans
[8:07] <ollymorfik_> whaterver try putting a bunch of usb devices in too
[8:08] <mcfundash> mu must have accidentally or it would not crash the pi
[8:08] <mcfundash> yea were talking about GPIO, intedpendant power from USB which is shared with pi
[8:08] <ollymorfik_> ill bet you anything at full load it wont power a fan
[8:08] <megatog615> i like this one better because it has a scoop fan
[8:08] <mcfundash> mine does
[8:08] <megatog615> yeah this fan works
[8:08] <mcfundash> so you lost everything
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[8:08] <megatog615> wow that was cool :D
[8:09] <megatog615> literally
[8:09] <mcfundash> USB takes from the power with the pi curcuit, the GPIO power is independant and unregulated as it is pretty much a seperate circuit altogether
[8:09] <megatog615> now to clean up the wiring
[8:09] <mcfundash> if you ran a fan off of USB than it would slow at full load yes
[8:09] <mcfundash> I used heatshrink tubing on mine
[8:10] <mcfundash> megatog615 ^^^
[8:10] <megatog615> ah i have some of that
[8:10] <megatog615> not sure where it is tho
[8:10] <megatog615> btw, no way to hook up the yellow wire anywhere?
[8:10] <megatog615> afaik it's the fanspeed wire
[8:11] <mcfundash> you could redirect it to an actual GPIO and control it with python
[8:11] <mcfundash> but it should be fine as is
[8:11] <mcfundash> mine is
[8:13] <megatog615> i will leave the wire as it is
[8:13] <megatog615> this one was tricky btw
[8:13] <mcfundash> yea I just cut the yellow out alltogether
[8:13] <megatog615> well, as far as 3 wires goes
[8:14] <megatog615> this one had a black(ground, obviously), purple, and brown
[8:14] <mcfundash> yea some have weird ones
[8:15] <mcfundash> mine was the CPU fan from an old computer and it had black red yellow, which is the standard
[8:15] <megatog615> wait
[8:15] <mcfundash> they are all the same, some just have different colors
[8:15] <megatog615> you're running an 80mm?
[8:15] <mcfundash> I think so maybe
[8:15] <mcfundash> idk what size exactly
[8:16] <mcfundash> oh btw...you can just look on the fan it should give a diagram of what color is what
[8:16] <mcfundash> what size fan are you using?
[8:16] <megatog615> yea, no such diagram lol
[8:16] <megatog615> idunno, it's like an inch wide
[8:16] <megatog615> it's a laptop fan
[8:17] <mcfundash> wow pretty small
[8:17] <megatog615> probably for a gpu or something a long time ago
[8:17] <mcfundash> mine is like 2 and a half inches wide
[8:18] <mcfundash> Its actually a 12v fan so the 5v is pretty ok for it
[8:18] <mcfundash> I don't have to worry about too slow or too loud speed
[8:22] <megatog615> is there any way to query the cpu temp?
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[8:26] <SpeedEvil> lick it.
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[8:27] <SpeedEvil> (more sensibly - touch it with your finger - after touching one of the USB connectors to ensure you're not charged with static charge)
[8:27] <megatog615> uh
[8:27] <SpeedEvil> Not programatically
[8:27] <megatog615> i wanted to watch the difference between a fan being used and not
[8:30] <Milos> bootc, what sets the 'clock' parameter in static void sdhci_set_clock(struct sdhci_host *host, unsigned int clock)? I've done some tests, and I get optimal performance with init_emmc_clock=82*10^6, and BCM2708_EMMC_CLOCK_FREQ 50*10^6, even though they do not match. I've edited sdhci.c to print some debug statements and I found that with the CLOCK_FREQ set at 50MHz, it divides 50MHz by 126 to meet the '<= clock' requiremnt. What sets this p
[8:30] <Milos> arameter?
[8:32] <Milos> It seems to be 400000 initially, unless the divider fails, then it lowers it by 100K.
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[8:32] <haltdef> Last tracked at:
[8:32] <haltdef> Exeter Depot
[8:32] <haltdef> ivy bridge build so close
[8:33] <gordonDrogon> morning
[8:33] <gordonDrogon> haltdef, you'r ein ivybridge?
[8:34] <haltdef> no, I'm building an ivy bridge system
[8:34] <gordonDrogon> a-ha - just saw the Exeter depot thing above :)
[8:35] <haltdef> will replace my i7 920, though it's my first full build since my core 2 duo system :P
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> I don't really need all those cycles, so try to use something lower powered.
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> however it's bread time now!
[8:35] <haltdef> you'd be surprised at their power use
[8:36] <Milos> ivy bridge is 69W TDP.
[8:36] <Milos> that's low.
[8:36] <haltdef> unless you overvolt, gets out of hand quickly there
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[8:45] <Simon-> Milos: you're overclocking sdhci as it'll be running faster than it thinks it is
[8:45] <Simon-> unless it was actually the wrong clock speed to start with
[8:45] <Simon-> but I can get very close to the maximum at 50MHz
[8:46] <Milos> Simon-, well I need some advice on this. I can get 34MB/s read and 30MB/s write with init_emmc_clock=82M, and the kernel clock at 50M.
[8:46] <Simon-> PIO mode http://s85.org/K6oM0jz9 and DMA mode http://s85.org/0wVADerz
[8:46] <Milos> If I match them, speeds get crap.
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[8:47] <Simon-> you're exceeding the theoretical max speed
[8:47] <Milos> That's too bad :)
[8:47] <Simon-> which implies you're running it at 80MHz at 3.3V
[8:47] <Milos> I need to know the correlation between the values I'm setting.
[8:47] <Milos> Simon-, https://gist.github.com/2952655
[8:48] <Milos> With my debug statements.
[8:48] <Simon-> it's dividing it by 2
[8:48] <Milos> Yeah, but what sets the clock param of 400k?
[8:48] <Simon-> try using my driver which should divide by 1
[8:48] <Milos> Oh sweet, where can I find it?
[8:49] <Simon-> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/wiki/How-to-boot-using-device-tree
[8:49] <Simon-> note: there's no usb...
[8:50] <Milos> But before I get into that, what will a divider of 1 help with?
[8:50] <Milos> I still don't know where it's getting the 400k from.
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[8:50] <Milos> I just want the kernel to match my firmware setting of 80MHz, but when I do that the speed gets worse than it is.
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> bread is cooking away nicely.
[8:52] * SpeedEvil is making yogurt
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> Hm. not made any yogury myself for a while.
[8:53] <Mr_Sheesh> Odd question for folks - I got my RPi but RL stuff happened, cannot really use it much yet, how soon are the next lot of RPis supposed to be selling from Newark/Element14 etc.?
[8:53] * Milos is making kernels :|
[8:53] * megatog615 is watching the world burn.
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> I think the currently delat is some 6 weeks...
[8:53] <Milos> Yeah something like that.
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> http://drogon.net/blog/2011/01/geek-yoghurt/
[8:54] <Mr_Sheesh> Are they selling for enough on eBay that it'd be worth doing that?
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> some people will buy anything off eBay :)
[8:55] <Mr_Sheesh> LOL true that. I bought some old 5.25" full height ESDI drives once :) Used them on a server
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> ebay top print: ?135, bottom price ?55 today.
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> on the buy it now's ..
[8:55] <reider59> Sounds about right Gordon. the guy I gave my code to, over a week ago, was told up to 7 weeks
[8:56] <Mr_Sheesh> Hmmm, I'm in US so it'd be 6 weeks, but over $100 US?
[8:57] <reider59> I`ve had stuff come from the US I had to pay duty on and it came to nowhere near that figure
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> some intersting cases, etc. on ebay too - e.g. 200777265208
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[8:58] <Mr_Sheesh> OK, I wasn't sure what the $USD <=> ?? rate was
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[8:58] <Milos> Simon-, any idea?
[8:59] <reider59> I think it was maybe 35-40UKP for the product and about 17 UKP for the duty and delivery tax
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> this is mildly irritating: 130711659086 that heatsink is way overpriced and the Pi simply doesn't need one.
[8:59] <reider59> But that was a few years back
[9:01] <reider59> Thankfully when the rest of the units came (5) I got them for research and development, paid no fee for them and no import tax because they were R&D only and marked up as such with the correct paperwork.
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[9:01] <Mr_Sheesh> xxe.net/ucc says: 1.00 GBP = 1.56792 USD
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[9:04] <reider59> It`s a shame all the units being sold on the foriegn markets cannot be marked up as R&D because that's all they are really.
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[9:05] <Mr_Sheesh> True - I'm thinking of making my RPi into a sort of wearable computer; Have to use a DVDplayer display at first
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[9:15] <megatog615> might i suggest that future pi sd images come with lightdm instead of gdm?
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[9:15] <megatog615> gdm is pretty heavy compared to lightdm
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[9:42] <freezer> hi
[9:42] <Pitel> can I somehow get letterbox in omxplayer? I have 4:3 screen connected through RCA
[9:43] <freezer> so i ordered one of those acrylic cases to Germany, but it did not arrive after over 2weeks yet :(
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[9:45] <megatog615> freezer: beware, if you close it up completely the acrylic case makes the network/usb chip heat problem worse
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[9:47] <megatog615> freezer: i have it set up with the top panel removed
[9:47] <Adya> I've been trying to get wvdial up and running and fell asleep near my pi:)
[9:47] <Mr_Sheesh> Is that on an RPi that you're getting overheating?
[9:47] <Adya> Yesterday
[9:48] <megatog615> Mr_Sheesh: yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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[9:48] <megatog615> lag
[9:48] <Adya> Mr Sheesh, me?
[9:48] <megatog615> ...
[9:48] <megatog615> yes
[9:48] <Mr_Sheesh> Huh I plan to 3d print a case, I guess I'll make it ventilated :)
[9:48] <megatog615> Mr_Sheesh: i hear it is because of a simple usb driver provided by whoever makes the chip
[9:49] <megatog615> which means it could be simply fixed in the future
[9:49] <Mr_Sheesh> Adya - I was asking megatog615 sorry
[9:49] <megatog615> do not quote me though, i just read it in a forum thread i can't seem to find right now
[9:50] <Mr_Sheesh> I know the feeling, forums tend to be tough to find info in
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[10:08] <kghost> is the black box near power suply port regulator ? it is very very hot
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> kghost, is the 'black box' your on about next to a big round thing?
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[10:10] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: i think he's talking about the part labeled "RG2" on the board
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> that's the 3.3v regulator.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> it's expect it to be warm.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> it's about 40C on one of mine.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> not hot enough for the fan to come on...
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[10:12] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg
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[10:13] <megatog615> i found the forum thread btw: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5898
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[10:14] <friggle> new wheezy image is finally propagated to all the download servers, just waiting on liz/eben to make a front page post now
[10:15] <haltdef> raspbian based?
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[10:15] <gordonDrogon> looks like that might be a one-off.
[10:15] <friggle> not at the moment
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[10:15] <haltdef> finally invested in an antistatic wrist strap
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> is this a softfp wheezy?
[10:16] <friggle> gordonDrogon: yes
[10:16] <haltdef> ordered yesterday, amazon prime ftw
[10:16] <friggle> raspbian-based is next on the list
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> ok. will give it a miss.
[10:16] <Ben64> is there a gui frontend thing for debian to play videos and whatnot
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[10:16] <Ben64> like xbmc, but not crashy and stuff
[10:16] <reider59> nice going n thanks to all
[10:16] <megatog615> friggle: if i can apt-get dist-upgrade, and i can rpi-update, what would be the benefit of flashing a new image?
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[10:17] <Mr_Sheesh> megatog615 - I'll look at that TY
[10:17] <friggle> megatog615: none other than a cleaner stock config
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[10:18] <megatog615> friggle: what exactly does that consist of?
[10:19] <_Lucretia_> is skorpy from farscape?
[10:20] <Skorpy> it was Scorpy actually
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> I might put my 3d Pi online. I have a spare IP address here. What should I put on it ...
[10:20] <friggle> megatog615: well the squeeze release had lots of random junk all over it, as it was an image taken from an actual pi installation. This one is totally clean. Otherwise, lots of little thing like setting gksu to sudo mode
[10:21] <friggle> megatog615: and there's a config tool at first startup
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[10:21] <friggle> megatog615: but if you're happy with what you have via dist-upgrade and rpi-update, I'd stick with that
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> is it a 'netinst' type of install?
[10:21] <megatog615> friggle: actually i'm using hexxeh's latest raspbian image right now
[10:22] <megatog615> friggle: used to use the official debian image
[10:22] <friggle> gordonDrogon: debootstrap + chroot in and install extra stuff/configure (within qemu)
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[10:22] <_Lucretia_> skippyish: good point, but there is artistic licence :/
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> ok
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> I'm sort of happy with what I've got though, but I might take the standard debian back to basics, then re-install what I want.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> I did that for raspbian.
[10:23] <Arch1mede> i really like raspbian
[10:24] <megatog615> raspbian needs a working xbmc and sdlmame
[10:24] <megatog615> then it would be the perfect distro
[10:24] <friggle> gordonDrogon: allow me to advertise my image build scripts http://github.com/asb/spindle
[10:24] <frankivo> megatog615: :)
[10:25] <enthusi> heyas
[10:25] <friggle> megatog615: sdlmame and is much better than plain old mame?
[10:25] <enthusi> just received my raspi today
[10:26] <megatog615> friggle: sdlmame/mame
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[10:26] <enthusi> wrote debian-squeeze-image to SD and booted
[10:26] <enthusi> VERY nice ;-)
[10:26] <enthusi> btw that Elite Frontier port was just posted as video, not image, right?
[10:29] <Tachyon`> afaik, it also accepted no input and just showed the demo running
[10:30] <Arch1mede> enthusi: the what?
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[10:31] <enthusi> Tachyon`: ah, too bad
[10:31] <enthusi> Arch1mede: someone showed a video ff Elite Frontier running on raspi
[10:32] <enthusi> as true port
[10:32] <enthusi> not dosbox or such
[10:32] <Arch1mede> enthusi: link?
[10:33] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/files.pandora/preview.png
[10:33] <Arch1mede> ahh
[10:33] <Tachyon`> had that working quite nicely on pandora, a port of Elite TNK but aren't allowed to distribute it (thankyou David Braben)
[10:33] <Arch1mede> to old school for me
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[10:34] <enthusi> Tachyon`: aaawww, too bad
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[10:35] <Tachyon`> yeah, might have a crack at my own elite style game (particularly given both systems support OpenGL ES of a sort)
[10:35] <enthusi> Tachyon`: ah so just the 'intro' was shown on raspi?
[10:36] <enthusi> well might even run well in dosbox, no?
[10:36] <Tachyon`> yeah, right at the end it shows the start page
[10:36] <Tachyon`> it should, I used to run it on a 386 after all
[10:36] <Tachyon`> and an A500 come to that
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[10:36] <enthusi> Tachyon`: yeah :)
[10:36] <enthusi> nice nice
[10:36] <Tachyon`> there was a bug which you could explout for infinite money
[10:36] <enthusi> Im running alix3d3 board these days
[10:36] <enthusi> the raspi seems to be more powerful
[10:37] <Tachyon`> buy a passenger cabin, put a passenger in it, sell the cabin, it'd refuse to let you sell due to the presence of a person in it but still give you the cash
[10:37] <Tachyon`> in the original frontier that is, it was fixed in later releases
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[10:38] <enthusi> played alot back then
[10:39] <enthusi> yes, I was aware of that bug :)
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[10:39] <enthusi> played original elite more often though
[10:39] <enthusi> mostly c64 version :)
[10:39] <Tachyon`> yes, I prefer original elite
[10:39] <enthusi> been hacking that one quite alot :)
[10:39] <Tachyon`> the pandora port will eventually have shipyard and bulletin board from frontier added
[10:39] <enthusi> you can i.e. change the seeds of the galaxy/planet generator quite easily etc
[10:39] <Tachyon`> as it's the combat/flight in frontier I particularly dislike
[10:40] <Tachyon`> have you ever seen elite-a for the BBC?
[10:40] <Tachyon`> that had a lot of things added (shipyard) etc.
[10:40] <enthusi> not on real thing, no
[10:40] <enthusi> just the Acorn Electron version
[10:42] <Tachyon`> ahh, I've never used the electron version
[10:42] <Tachyon`> although given the limitations in video mode on that machine I'd guess it was entirely black and white
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[10:46] <gordonDrogon> friggle, really not good for newbies though! Just give them an SD card image of about 100KB (smallest I could get a bare bones one to) with a curses based installer (tasksel) to let them pull the rest...
[10:49] <freezer> gordonDrogon, but 100kb wont even hold the kernel?
[10:49] <freezer> or MB?
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> freezer, sorty, MB
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> I did a strip-back to see what I could get away with to boot my BASIC interpreter directly, but keeping networking, etc.
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> that was compressed too. I was somewhat irritated by its size - bulk taken up by timezones and locale data.
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[10:52] <Pitel> can someone with clean wheezy install tell me the content of /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> Heh... I've just run up Oolite under Raspbian to see if it would work... It works!!! at about 1 frame per second )-:
[10:55] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: better allow the user to specify an apt proxy
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> megatog615, I'm not writing an installer, but yes, whoever does should do that.
[10:56] <enthusi> yes, Electron was white on black full screen
[10:57] <enthusi> and more limited mission-wise
[10:57] <enthusi> and iirc a few ships were missing
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[10:58] <Trieste> Hi, is it possible to use the GPIO pins for serial communication (e.g. UART, USI)?
[10:58] <SStrife> Trieste: definitely
[10:58] <SStrife> two of the pins are set up as UART by default
[10:59] <zleap> hi gordonDrogon
[10:59] <Trieste> SStrife: awesome, where can I find more information about it? (e.g., is there a /dev file? What libraries should I use, and how?)
[10:59] <SStrife> 3v3 TTL level signals, but a circuit to convert them is trivial
[11:00] <SStrife> the UART works just like a serial port in any other linux, it's found at /dev/ttyAMA0
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[11:01] <Trieste> That's great, thanks!
[11:01] <SStrife> no worries
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[11:01] <SStrife> http://zuzebox.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/rs232-breakout-board-v0-20-for-raspberry-pi/
[11:02] <kghost> my PL2303 uart board arrived, havn't tried yet
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[11:02] <Trieste> oh, and one more thing, I couldn't find a SD reader/writer, so I just popped a microSD into an adapter and loaded the image onto it, but I get an "error whlist initializing", should I assume the card is incompatible, or could it be the adapter?
[11:03] <bionicRobot> Finally, just got the delivery confirmation this morning
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[11:03] <gordonDrogon> morning zleap
[11:03] <SStrife> afaik, SD cards are still largely hit and miss
[11:03] <Trieste> ah, maybe we could make a page on wiki with models that work/don't work
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> Trieste, serial is enabled by default, but it's 3.3v serial, so be aware of that.
[11:04] <SStrife> most will work to some extent, but if you find one that doesn't work, it's just tough bikkies
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> Trieste, the serial port is /dev/ttyAMA0
[11:04] <SStrife> all over it, gordonDrogon :)
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> ah. just a bit slow at catching up!
[11:04] <SStrife> hehe
[11:04] <bionicRobot> whats a good way to go from 5v -> 3v3? I'm thinking a a few 1n4007 should be simple enough
[11:05] <kghost> maybe a simple resister will work
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> arguably the easiest way is to use 3.3v hardware on the other side ;-)
[11:05] <Trieste> SStrife: so, buy or try out a new card?
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> 2 resistors will work.
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[11:05] <SStrife> yeah, that's what i did, but i have a handful of SD cards lying around
[11:05] <SStrife> i didn't have much success with smaller SD cards in adapters
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/logic-level-converter-p-511.html
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> or one of those ^^^
[11:07] <kghost> there is a jumper on my board to switch between 3.3v and 5v
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> switch it to 3.3 then :)
[11:07] <SStrife> i just used a max3232, which is a 3v3 part
[11:07] <SStrife> i guess you have less flexibility in a device you haven't built yourself tho :P
[11:07] <Mr_Sheesh> For RaspPi what luck are people having with 2Gb microSD cards in a microSD to SD card adapter?
[11:07] <bionicRobot> 2.28?? seems bit steep
[11:08] * gordonDrogon shrugs.
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> not cheap to do it properly IMO.
[11:08] <SStrife> i made an awful youtube video of my serial port adaptor in action, haha
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> You can get away with a couple of resistors, and most 5V inputs will recognise 3.3v as a logic one...
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> but it's a bit hacky :)
[11:09] <Trieste> Mr_Sheesh: I had just talked about this, I had used a (unbranded, I think?) 4GB class 4 microsd, but it doesn't work for some reason
[11:09] <kghost> Mr_Sheesh: mine works
[11:10] <bionicRobot> trieste where did you get them. I bought a bunch of 2GB mSD cards in some shanzai place and none of them worked correctly
[11:10] <Mr_Sheesh> OK TY Trieste & kghost, I have sandisk uSD cards - should do. Worst case I'll buy a full size SD card I guess
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> the only thing I've connected the serial port up to so-far has been an ATmega and they are running at 3.3v anyway...
[11:11] <Trieste> bionicRobot: I don't really recall, haha, I just ripped it out from my phone, which I've had for two years now
[11:11] <SStrife> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM4rmMOxu4c
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[11:12] * Xark has a PC hooked up the the RPi serial port via a FTDI cable (also FTDI breakout). The logic levels are 3.3v already (and 5v tolerant).
[11:12] <Trieste> SStrife: what is that beast?
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[11:12] <SStrife> it's a 286 portable
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> oh, no sockets. hardcore :)
[11:12] <SStrife> gas plasma display
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[11:13] <Xark> SStrife: "Classic". :)
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> DOS!
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[11:13] <bionicRobot> Is it possible to buy the uSD <-> SD adaptors? I've got plenty of uSD cards but I'm down to 1-2 adaptors, they're really fragile for some reason
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> What camera did you use?
[11:14] <SStrife> probably find em on ebay
[11:14] <SStrife> my phone
[11:14] <SStrife> haha
[11:14] <SStrife> Galaxy Nexus
[11:15] <Dysk> bionicRobot, some people have had success, some people have had problems.
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> hand held?
[11:15] <SStrife> the 1080p is horrible
[11:15] <SStrife> yep
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> My old camera will only do one minute of video - but it's handy as I can tripod it.
[11:15] <Dysk> bionicRobot, so if you have an microSD->SD adapter, can't hurt to try, I guess?
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[11:15] <friggle> what, how do I have a bug report on the new wheezy image already
[11:15] <SStrife> oh yeah, i got cut off at the end of the video, because the battery went flat :-/
[11:16] <megatog615> http://www.amazon.com/Cosmos-Copper-Cooling-Heatsinks-cooler/dp/B00637X42A/ref=pd_cp_e_0
[11:16] <megatog615> anyone know if these might reduce the temps a bit from the smsc chip?
[11:16] <reider59> <<< wasn`t me, I was nowhere near at the time and if it was me then they made me do it
[11:16] <bionicRobot> yeah one lost the ability to write and the one remaining good one gets babied. I think I've done one too many android flashes
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> megatog615, nooooooo...... use this instead: http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg
[11:17] <megatog615> bionicRobot: android flashes never stop being scary
[11:17] <friggle> most confusing as it doesn't seem to actually be posted yet
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[11:17] <zleap> gordonDrogon, nice lego fan
[11:17] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: looks like he has a temp sensor on the soc?
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
[11:18] <reider59> someone adjusted the addy so it defaults to showing the directory structure, then fed the correct addy in to download?
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> it's an lm35, feeing into an ATmega which talks back to the Pi and the fan is speed controlled via the GPIO PWM output.
[11:18] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: you seem to know much about this image
[11:18] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: perhaps it is your lego masterpiece?
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> megatog615, I took it. it's my Pi, my lego...
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> one of many Lego masterpieces...
[11:19] <kghost> gordonDrogon: I need a lego bundle, lol
[11:19] <haltdef> new pc is here!
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> I have a steamer trunk full of Lego. You can buy it by the kilo on ebay don't you know ...
[11:19] <reider59> woo hoo new toys
[11:19] <megatog615> the adafruit acrylic case doesnt leave much room to plug a fan plug into the pins
[11:19] <megatog615> in fact the plug is taller than the ceiling on the box
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> megatog615, you really shouldn't need a fan or heatsinks. just how hot is the chip running?
[11:19] <reider59> I`m hoping for one today. Might go to town and pick up my arduino Uno R3
[11:20] <megatog615> so i'm back to square one
[11:20] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: when i get my infrared thermometer in 5-7 days you'll find out :)
[11:20] <zleap> i like lego
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> is it too hot to touch?
[11:20] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: not for more than a few seconds
[11:20] <megatog615> (the smsc chip)
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> megatog615, then it's < 50C so probably fine.
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[11:20] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: for now
[11:21] <megatog615> i could try touchign it just before it hangs
[11:21] <megatog615> and probably toast my finger
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> then it's faulty - send it back.
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> or are you the one who stadted the thread on the forums about it?
[11:21] <megatog615> i will read the temp with the thermometer when it hangs
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> someone posted that earlier...
[11:21] <megatog615> yeah i did
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> ok
[11:21] <megatog615> i am convinced that it is a driver issue... for now
[11:21] <kghost> is there any temp sensor on the board ?
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> ?
[11:22] <reider59> << waiting to see the first liquid cooled RasPi lol
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[11:22] <gordonDrogon> kghost, none that I know of.
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[11:22] <reider59> oops I dropped it in me drink
[11:22] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: i have heard that the smsc usb driver is pretty much a super simple driver
[11:22] <megatog615> kghost: sensors-detect from lm-sensors complains about a lack of i2c available
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> megatog615, it probably is, but I've not noticed any issues with mine, but saying that I've not used USB datakeys & ethernet in anger.
[11:23] <megatog615> everything usb(except for the ethernet port of course) is chooked to a hub
[11:23] <megatog615> *hooked
[11:23] <reider59> There is a thought. Nice strong rubbery bag (lol), tight where the cables come out and dunk it in a jam jar. Et Voila liquid cooled RasPi
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[11:23] <megatog615> reider59: halfway
[11:24] <megatog615> reider59: you still need the liquid to flow
[11:24] <Dysk> Not if you're just using a body of water as a heatsink.
[11:24] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: i can get it to hang just by checking out the svn of ioquake3
[11:24] <Dysk> You might well not need to pass it through a radiator at all.
[11:25] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: but it will go all day compiling mame, so the soc is obviously ok
[11:25] <Dysk> The Pi doesn't generate a hell of a lot of heat, after all.
[11:25] <megatog615> nope
[11:25] <megatog615> but in particular, the smsc usb/net chip gets quite hot
[11:26] <megatog615> in my case anyway
[11:26] <Dysk> Put it at the bottom, let thermal flows disperse the heat.
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[11:26] <Dysk> Convection currents, even.
[11:26] <megatog615> put what at the bottom?
[11:26] <Dysk> The USB chip.
[11:26] <megatog615> of what?
[11:26] <Dysk> It's on one end of the board, and all.
[11:26] <megatog615> yes?
[11:26] <Dysk> The hypothetical jam jar :P
[11:26] <megatog615> oh
[11:27] <megatog615> ...
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[11:29] <gordonDrogon> well, just put a fan over it to see if that makes a difference - my Lego fan did reduce the ship temp from about 40C down to 29C!
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> er, gpu chip temp...
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> but it does sound like a duffer and not the usual case..
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> brb
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[11:31] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: lol this dinky little fan actually wedges between the composite out and usb ports
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[11:35] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/17072074/raspberrypi/IMG_20120619_053027.jpg
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[11:35] <gordonDrogon> megatog615, ok, but does it make a difference? ie. stop it crashing?
[11:35] <megatog615> no idea
[11:35] <megatog615> let's find out
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[11:36] <megatog615> holy crap, i can't feel any heat coming from the smsc
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> I suspect I'd be tempted to wrap some insulating tape round that bare wire first though...
[11:37] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: they're safely separated
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> just in-case- that's 5V and it it touches any 3.3V then it's game over...
[11:37] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: it hung :(
[11:37] <freezer> gordonDrogon, 40C seems not too hot for a GPU though?
[11:37] <Ben64> could replace the 3.3v regulator with a better one
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> ok, so it's not a temperature related thing then...
[11:37] <freezer> nvidias like to go to 70-80 ingame
[11:38] <Ben64> my nvidia is 47C at idle
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> 40C on the GPU is fine. I've had mine at 45C running hello_triangle OK.
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[11:38] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: evidently not
[11:38] <megaproxy> my ATI can boil water.
[11:38] <megaproxy> i should make a kettle out of it
[11:38] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: my keyboard lacks status led's so i can't tell if it panicked
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> some of the big chips with relatively slow clocks can run at very high temperatures.
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[11:39] <Ben64> would be cool to make a copper case that acts as a heatsink
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> I have my oven on for the next few days, if I have time I might give one of mine a baking and see if it'll run at 80C.
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it will.
[11:39] <Ben64> they've already run a pi in an oven
[11:39] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: let's do a test
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> I know - but people on the forums still want to put heatsinks, fan, etc. on them )-:
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[11:40] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: on your pi, i want you to svn co the ioquake3 svn
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> not really.
[11:40] <megatog615> (turn off your fan :)
[11:40] <megatog615> just cd somewhere and do this
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> how long will it take to install/compile?
[11:40] <megatog615> svn co svn://svn.icculus.org/quake3/trunk ioquake3
[11:40] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: you dont even need to compile it
[11:40] <megatog615> just check out the source code, and it should hang midway as it is downloading
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[11:41] <megatog615> if we have the same issue, that is
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> E: Unable to locate package svn
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[11:41] <megatog615> subversion
[11:41] <megatog615> i can get it to hang when dist-upgrade, etc
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> duh.
[11:41] <megatog615> anything with a large download
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> I had that, and fixed it with runes in cmdline.txt
[11:42] <megatog615> good little fan
[11:42] * megatog615 pets it
[11:42] <Ben64> if anything, i'd just use a heatsink and no fan
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> waiting for the subversion install...
[11:42] <megatog615> Ben64: i had that in mind
[11:42] <Ben64> don't need more power draw or dust
[11:42] <megatog615> Ben64: but a fan running off the +5v on the gpio is just so cool
[11:43] <Ben64> right now my pi is hanging out completely enclosed by lego
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> a Lego fan is even cooler.
[11:43] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: if you fixed it with some cmdline.txt stuff, do you mind sharing?
[11:43] <megatog615> that might be my issue after all
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> that's my /boot/cmdline.txt
[11:43] <Ben64> 02:42:05 up 3 days, 10:34, load average: 0.12, 0.04, 0.05
[11:44] <megatog615> woah, what's with the smsc95xx.turbo_mode?
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> dunno - someone here suggested it some weeks back, so I did it and it cured my ethernet hanging issues.
[11:44] <megatog615> that should be default
[11:44] <megatog615> -.-
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> it wasn't when I got my Pis...
[11:44] <megatog615> gonna try that, i'll let you know if it fixed it
[11:44] <Ben64> turbo is good though
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> doing the svn co now..
[11:45] <megatog615> Ben64: i had a mouse named turbo
[11:45] <Ben64> always had it on my 486 dx2
[11:45] <megatog615> Ben64: he died
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> I have the serial console stuff removed from my /boot/config.txt as it interferes with the ATmega stuff.
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> top - 10:44:31 up 23:57, 3 users, load average: 3.12, 1.85, 0.91
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> doing the svn co
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> oh, it's running hello_triangle too. maybe best to kill that..
[11:46] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: btw, was your composite jack soldered on a tad sideways?
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, might be on one of my boards.
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> the one with the fan seems OK.
[11:47] <megatog615> i figured it was a defect but it works
[11:47] <megatog615> i dunno, it makes my pi unique :)
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> my original is OK, and the other one which I think is RS seems a bit wonky.
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> but it's hard to tell.
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> Checked out revision 2276.
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> root@pi2:/var/tmp#
[11:48] <megaproxy> huh?
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[11:48] <gordonDrogon> ok, it's checked out, now what?
[11:48] <megatog615> mine is quite easy to tell now that i have a case
[11:48] <megatog615> the hole is way off center
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> I'm not really concerned about it.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> it's downloaded about 44MB.
[11:49] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: turbo_mode is probably what is doing it
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> etherchip is cold to touch.
[11:49] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: i googled it and i'm reading up on what it actually does
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> so try it on yours...
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[11:51] <gordonDrogon> you've nothing to lose...
[11:51] <megatog615> i added it
[11:51] <megatog615> i just want to know what it does, is all
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> now do the thing that normally makes it crash ...
[11:51] <megatog615> i like learning :)
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> sure, me too, but sometimes I simply go with the flow :)
[11:53] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: i have learned another possible solution
[11:53] <megatog615> setting it to N can reduce network performance
[11:53] <megatog615> but can potentially fix the problem
[11:54] <megatog615> another solution could be to set vm.min_free_kbytes to 8192
[11:54] <megatog615> according to the bug on launchpad
[11:54] <megatog615> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-linaro/+bug/664477
[11:54] <megatog615> first i will try turbo_mode=N, then i will try that
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> yes, that was my plan B. I have it in my /etc/sysctl.conf file, but commented out.
[11:55] <megatog615> ah, did it work for you?
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> as long as the Pi is faster than your broadband, then it's really not a big issue :)
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> I didn't need to use Plan B. Plan A (turbo) worked fine.
[11:55] <megatog615> i do a lot of local network streaming'
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> I still get 95Mb/sec out of it on iperf tests.
[11:56] <megatog615> Checked out revision 2276.
[11:56] <megatog615> :)
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[11:56] <gordonDrogon> just remember USB is half duplex while Ethernet is fdx. so any interactive stuff with high speed back to back tx/rx may suffer.
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> so it's fixed your issue?
[11:57] <megatog615> apparently
[11:57] * gordonDrogon cheers!
[11:57] <megatog615> i'll definitely need to do more extensive tests
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[11:57] <megatog615> for me that means simply using the device
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> oh, are you overclocking?
[11:57] <megatog615> because before it was almost impossible
[11:57] <megatog615> yes, incidentally
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> I found that if I was overclocking it would stall, but if I stuck to 700MHz it was fine.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> now it's fine for me with overclocking too.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> @900MHz.
[11:58] <megatog615> raspbian has a arm_freq=800 default
[11:58] <megatog615> i had the problem when i used debian as well
[11:58] <megatog615> without overclocking
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> not sure that's wise, however...
[11:59] <megatog615> i've heard 800 is an ok number
[11:59] <megatog615> and so is 900
[11:59] <megatog615> anything after that might become unstable
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> I've meard peoples not working at 900...
[11:59] <megatog615> well, 900 might be the ymmv number
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> so I feel distros ought to stick to the guaranteed 700 and let the user decide..
[12:01] <megatog615> yeah i didn't exactly appreciate having my cpu overclocked without knowing about it
[12:02] <megatog615> at least overclocking doesn't void the warranty
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> yea, I've not ventured into the land of overvolting yet. probably won't bother.
[12:03] <megatog615> i don't think i'll need to
[12:03] <megatog615> until people start needing it with their software
[12:03] <megatog615> i imagine around the end of the pi model b's lifetime, like the game consoles of old
[12:04] <megatog615> where they squeezed as much juice out of them as they could
[12:04] <megatog615> btw, i was able to check out the ioquake3 svn again with the vm.min_free_kbytes set to 8192
[12:04] <megatog615> no turbo_mode hack this time
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> ok, so it's probably the usb driver...
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> does the chip still get hot though?
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> maybe you should post that back to the thread on the forums as Gert, etc. will probably be watching it...
[12:06] <megatog615> yeah it still gets hot
[12:06] <rm> so, I can finally order an R Pi
[12:06] <rm> has anyone recently ordered from RS?
[12:06] <megatog615> i dont think it's a heat issue, honestly
[12:06] <rm> they say "expected in 5 weeks", is that close to reality?
[12:06] <megatog615> though i still want some heatsinks for good measure
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[12:07] <bionicRobot> rm I ordered mine 5 weeks ago. It said expected 3 weeks.
[12:07] <rm> still not shipped?
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[12:07] <sjc> rm: depending on location and the position of the moon, your mileage may vary. I was there for launch day. and when RS finally got around to getting me an order code, I had my Pi within the week - but can't say how they'd be on estimated shipping over the week specified wen I did it
[12:08] <stephan48> i thougth overclocking does void the warranty?
[12:08] <bionicRobot> well I got the conf last night and the tracking site says it is making the rounds in Paris now
[12:08] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: so i want to do this test, where i cat /dev/null from my desktop to the pi over ssh into it's /dev/null
[12:08] <bionicRobot> so UK/EU 1-2days, anywhere else 1-2 weeks
[12:08] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: er, cat /dev/urandom
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:09] <megatog615> i think i have my command wrong
[12:09] <megatog615> cat /dev/urandom | ssh raspberrypi tee /dev/null
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> I'd look at the 'nc' command rather than ssh.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> ssh will add CPU overhead for the encryption.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> netcat' won.t
[12:09] <megatog615> ah, well i am not worried about cpu overhead
[12:09] <megatog615> in fact that's a good test too
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> however, does your desktop run a web server?
[12:09] <friggle> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435 debian wheezy public beta
[12:09] <stephan48> is there a list somewhere which config.txt options set the warranty kill bit and which dont?
[12:09] <megatog615> because i might use sshfs quite a bit
[12:10] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: where did i go wrong with my command?
[12:10] <reider59> .....downloading and thanks again
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> if desktop runs a webservr, it's easier to create a GB file on it from /dev/udrandom, then wget -O /dev/null on the Pi.
[12:10] <megatog615> i could use dd
[12:11] <megatog615> aha!
[12:11] <megatog615> there it goes
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> be aware you you might not be able to read /dev/urandom at 100Mb/sec !
[12:11] <megatog615> dd if=/dev/urandom | ssh raspberrypi dd of=/dev/null
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> hence, create a file on desktop first.
[12:12] <megatog615> i might try /dev/zero instead
[12:12] <megatog615> lol it was only 4.7MB/s
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> you can kill -USR1 the 'dd' process to get progress.
[12:12] <megatog615> but that's ok, the pi hangs only after a little while so it wouldn't take much to trigger the error
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[12:14] <megatog615> hmm if i play around with the bs value it still stays at 4.7MB/s
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> if you want something a bit faster:
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> on the pi: nc -l -p 3333
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> on the desktop nc ip.of.pi 3333 < /dev/urandom
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[12:20] <megatog615> hmm is that upload from the pi?
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> that's PC to Pi.
[12:20] <megatog615> ah ok
[12:20] <SStrife> stephan48: anything to do with overvolting
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm currently sending to Pi at 90Mb/sec ...
[12:20] <SStrife> you can raise the frequency as much as you want, it will just stop working at a point
[12:20] <megatog615> hmm nice
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> actually, I dd'd /dev/urandom into a 1GB file and am sending that.
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[12:25] <gordonDrogon> right. off to see a client. prob. online when I get there,
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> laters.
[12:25] <megatog615> later
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[12:41] <_inc> today is apparently pi delivery day
[12:41] <_inc> this is a red letter day
[12:41] <megaproxy> it would be nice if RS forgot they sent mine
[12:41] <megaproxy> and send me more.
[12:41] <_inc> i have 2 notifications from my rs order
[12:42] <_inc> i think I'm getting 2
[12:42] <megaproxy> yea i got 2
[12:42] <megaproxy> ordered one
[12:42] <_inc> same
[12:42] <shirro> hexxeh is trending on HN
[12:42] <megaproxy> didnt get any shipping notifications for either
[12:42] <megaproxy> also, how long do you think until rpi's are readily avail
[12:42] <megaproxy> i wana buy a few, like 10
[12:42] <megaproxy> make a cluster
[12:42] <_inc> i got a tracker from parcel force but it doesn't work
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[12:42] <megaproxy> and put them all in a 2u case, and colocate it
[12:43] <gurgalof> colocate pis?
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[12:43] <megaproxy> ye
[12:43] <megaproxy> i work for a hosting company so that wuold be free
[12:43] <megaproxy> but having a cluster of rpi's would be win
[12:43] <megaproxy> a "bramble"
[12:43] <megaproxy> :D
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[12:45] <_inc> where are rs based?
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[12:49] <reider59> Hope my lad didn`t put anything inside my Fathers Day card other than the card. Just got it today and it`s obviously been opened, you can see where it "was" stuck down. Wonder if that`s why its late. Was posted last Thursday and it's correctly addressed. The so n so`s can`t leave anything alone. I had a ??50 Asda card stolen in the post a few months back too
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[12:51] <megatog615> does raspbian's libjpeg make pictures blue for anyone else? lol
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[12:53] <_inc> got all excited then, courier came to the door to deliver??? my neighbours parcel
[12:53] <Arch1mede> heh
[12:55] <_inc> i hate parcelforce
[12:55] <_inc> UPS get a lot of stick, but they've always been transparent in their deliveries
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[12:58] <Veryevil> shirro: Hexxeh is trending?
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[13:01] <shirro> Veryevil: not really. somebody posted the chromium commit. no big deal. it was there for a minute or two. guess it didn't get any votes
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[13:03] <Veryevil> any one know where he has gone? havent seen him on in over two weeks?
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> so here we are again.
[13:04] <Milos|Netbook> who
[13:04] <Veryevil> Hexxeh? (And teh_orph for that matter)
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[13:04] <Veryevil> Both dissapeared
[13:04] <Milos|Netbook> ah
[13:05] <megaproxy> anyone know anyone selling a smallish server cab?
[13:05] <Milos|Netbook> RL happened
[13:05] <RaYmAn> There were rumors Hexxeh got a new job, so that might be why he disappeared for a bit =P
[13:05] <mythos> so... my pi runs now nearly perfect.
[13:05] <shirro> he is probably busy googling
[13:05] <RaYmAn> indeed
[13:06] <megaproxy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/15U-19-Inch-Server-Switch-Rack-Cabinet-With-Removable-Sides-Ends-/310408302886?pt=UK_Computing_Rackmount_Cabinets_Frames&hash=item4845c6d126#ht_2583wt_1398
[13:06] <sjaak_trekhaak> \o/ pi just arrived
[13:06] <Veryevil> ah it would seem he did get a new job with google!
[13:07] <gurgalof> megaproxy, what do you need a cabinet for?
[13:07] <megaproxy> my servers.
[13:07] <megaproxy> lol
[13:07] <gurgalof> :P
[13:07] <gurgalof> the closet works fine
[13:07] <gurgalof> warm clothes at the winter too
[13:08] <megaproxy> http://imgur.com/a/QIbpy
[13:08] <megaproxy> them
[13:08] <megaproxy> well, i had them in my closet
[13:08] <megaproxy> but that was too noisey
[13:08] <megaproxy> so i put them in the garage... but it would be nice to have them neat and enclosed
[13:09] <megaproxy> rather than propped ontop of the shelves
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[13:10] <gurgalof> a can't sleep without my servers noise
[13:10] <megaproxy> haha, its just a bit too noisey for me
[13:10] <gurgalof> s/a/i
[13:10] <megaproxy> the dell sounds like a jet..
[13:11] <OsakaFoo> megaproxy: get some metal shelf racks from B&Q cut them up throw in some bolts tada
[13:11] <megaproxy> yea i may just do that
[13:13] <megaproxy> or just build a frame
[13:13] <megaproxy> either or.
[13:13] <OsakaFoo> http://preview.tinyurl.com/cjnre4b <- housemate built it for like a tenner
[13:14] <megaproxy> mmm
[13:14] <megaproxy> thats what ill do, juts a bit shorter,
[13:14] <megaproxy> and cables all round the back :O
[13:14] <megaproxy> :P
[13:15] <megaproxy> i might go to b&q today
[13:15] <megaproxy> =3
[13:15] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/o9GYQh.jpg mah pretty pi :D
[13:16] <OsakaFoo> ace, mine arrived today, need to go stel some lego for some kids now
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[13:17] <megaproxy> you dont have your own legos?
[13:17] <megaproxy> when i have kids, ima have my own box
[13:17] <megaproxy> all neat and organised
[13:17] <megaproxy> and slobber free
[13:18] <OsakaFoo> I did, parental gave it away when I went to uni >.>
[13:18] <lennard> baww
[13:18] <lennard> legos are suppposed to be all jumbled up in a big box!
[13:19] <lennard> thats half the fun
[13:19] <drazyltoo> poor them in the floor and scrabble through them
[13:21] <Adya> Hi everybody
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[13:23] <megatog615> no
[13:23] <megatog615> legos should be strewn about on the floor
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[13:23] <megatog615> where daddy can step on them in the night
[13:24] <megatog615> lego corp.: making night time death traps since 1949
[13:25] <Adya> When I'm trying to install wvdial, it tells "pakage wvdial isn't available but is reffered to by another package. This may mean that package is missing, has been obsoleted or is only available from another source. No installation candicate"
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[13:26] <Adya> What can I do?
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> my evil witch onna broomstick step mother stole all my lego and gave it away when I was about 16. One of the many things I've never forgiven her for.
[13:27] <ReggieUK> wow
[13:27] <ReggieUK> that's a long grudge
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> sure. I'm going to pee on her grave when she dies.
[13:27] * Adya is crying
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> E: Package 'wvdial' has no installation candidate
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I just got that too. Wonder what's missing in ARM land ...
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[13:28] <bionicRobot> I found a deal for a box of 1000 pieces for some ungodly low price
[13:28] <Adya> And what software can I use to connect to ppp?
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> you can buy lego by the Kilo on eBay.
[13:29] <bionicRobot> of LEGOs
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> Adya, I'm having a look now...
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[13:29] <Dysk> Adya, it appears there isn't an armel package for it in Debian Squeeze...
[13:29] <Adya> Thx:)
[13:29] <Adya> :(
[13:29] <Milos|Netbook> You can't use wvdial.
[13:29] <Milos|Netbook> On Debian.
[13:30] <Milos|Netbook> Been there done that. Guess what I did? Used Gentoo.
[13:30] <Milos|Netbook> Gentoo compiles every package, so you'll never have that problem.
[13:30] <rm> what
[13:30] <rm> I use wvdial just fine on debian
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> well, wvdial does not appear to be avalable under ARM Debian fo some reason.
[13:30] <Adya> How?
[13:30] <Milos|Netbook> Ok, so link an armel architecture package.
[13:30] <rm> not on ARM
[13:30] <Milos|Netbook> Yes. My point exactly.
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> I use wvdial with no issues at all under Debian x86.
[13:30] <rm> on mipsel, though
[13:30] <rm> be more specific :)
[13:31] <Milos|Netbook> :P
[13:31] <Milos|Netbook> woooooo gentoo
[13:31] <Milos|Netbook> Adya, you'll have to compile your own.
[13:31] <ReggieUK> the horror
[13:31] <Milos|Netbook> Doing it manually is horrific, yes, due to dependencies.
[13:32] <Milos|Netbook> You'll need wvstreams.
[13:32] <Milos|Netbook> Which compiles about 30,000 files that you don't need.
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[13:32] <gurgalof> lol at lego cases
[13:32] <Milos|Netbook> Unless you have an hour to spare, don't compile it on the raspberry pi.
[13:32] <Adya> Why?
[13:32] <frankivo> pi == slow :P
[13:32] <Milos|Netbook> Because it takes an hour.
[13:32] <Milos|Netbook> I've done it.
[13:33] <Adya> I haven't ever compiled anything
[13:33] <Adya> Did you?
[13:33] <Milos|Netbook> I've compiled a lot of things, yes.
[13:33] <Adya> What have you done?
[13:33] <Adya> Oh:)
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> the good news is that wvdial appears to install OK under Raspbian.
[13:34] <Milos|Netbook> If you really want to use wvdial, you have to compile wvdial. To compile wvdial you need to download and install wvstreams.
[13:34] * Adya is Linux newbie
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> or move to Raspbian.
[13:34] <Milos|Netbook> There might be an arm version of wvstreams? I don't know.
[13:34] <Adya> What is raspbian?
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[13:35] <Milos|Netbook> [Deb]ian, [Raspb]ian
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> wvstreams is missing in arm debian.
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[13:35] <Milos|Netbook> gordonDrogon, :(
[13:35] <Milos|Netbook> Adya, Raspbian has more stuff that works with the raspberry pi.
[13:36] <frankivo> libwvstreams4.6-base
[13:36] <frankivo> i see this on raspbian
[13:36] <Milos|Netbook> It's just rebranded Debian, with sources to the right repos.
[13:36] <rm> frankivo, you need -dev
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[13:37] <frankivo> rm: its there too
[13:37] <rm> https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=wvstreams
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[13:38] <Adya> What is an alternative to wvdial?
[13:39] <Milos|Netbook> Just use PPP.
[13:39] <Milos|Netbook> You want to connect to the Internet?
[13:39] <enthusi> heyas
[13:39] <_inc> YES
[13:39] <_inc> YES YES YES
[13:40] <Milos|Netbook> That's what she said.
[13:40] <_inc> guess what the mailman just gave me
[13:40] <frankivo> lol
[13:40] <rm> xd
[13:40] <enthusi> anyone here with experience with raspbian? Any notable speed improvements?
[13:40] <frankivo> enthusi: ive started with weezy
[13:40] <frankivo> so cant compare
[13:40] <Milos|Netbook> _inc, a mince pie.
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[13:40] <Milos|Netbook> Or did you get a different flavour, per chance?
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[13:41] <_inc> raspberry :)
[13:41] <Milos|Netbook> :D
[13:41] <frankivo> :P
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[13:42] <_inc> FAO Parcelforce customers: "parcel advised" means "we can't be arced updating our tracking system"
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[13:42] <ReggieUK> language!
[13:42] <Adya> Yeah, but pppconfig&pon don't work
[13:43] <enthusi> frankivo: thanks though
[13:43] <_inc> sorry ReggieUK :(
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[13:43] <frankivo> enthusi: anything in particular you are interested in?
[13:43] <ReggieUK> s'ok, I Totally agree with the sentiment _inc
[13:44] <_inc> i read a thread where loads of people have had this "parcel advised" status, they are all calling mike@rs. that dude must have the patience of a saint
[13:45] <IT_Sean> lol
[13:45] <ReggieUK> that dude is paid to have the patience of a saint
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[13:45] <ReggieUK> but I bet he's on his way to an early ulcer
[13:45] <IT_Sean> Even being paid to doesn't always make it easy.
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[13:45] <ReggieUK> indeed
[13:45] <IT_Sean> <-- does IT support over the phone, remember. :p
[13:46] <IT_Sean> I am paid quite well to give a toss, and even then, it is hard sometimes.
[13:46] <ReggieUK> rma department has to be quite bad too
[13:46] <_inc> "WHERES MY PI?! DOES IT PLAY FLASH!??"
[13:46] <megatog615> i wonder why adafruit doesn't sell pis
[13:46] <megatog615> they'd probably sell them for $300 or something though
[13:46] <Milos|Netbook> How did they end up calling it a Raspberry Pi?
[13:46] <Milos|Netbook> I'm keen to know where the name came from.
[13:46] <megatog615> Milos|Netbook: magic
[13:46] <techman2> IT_Sean: I feel your pain.
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> The "Pi" bit is supposed to be from Python ..
[13:46] <Milos|Netbook> Techman talking to IT Sean, hahaha.
[13:47] <_inc> apple/raspberry
[13:47] <_inc> and pi
[13:47] <_inc> cus why not?
[13:47] <megatog615> i thought "ages 3-14"
[13:47] <IT_Sean> ... why is that funny, Milos|Netbook ??
[13:47] <megatog615> pi is 3.14
[13:47] <techman2> yes?
[13:47] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, python? really?
[13:47] <Milos|Netbook> IT_Sean, both prefixed with IT terms.
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> apparently.
[13:47] <Milos|Netbook> Just made me chuckle. Nothing wrong about it.
[13:47] <IT_Sean> ...
[13:48] <_inc> my pi looks different from my friends
[13:48] <frankivo> so Pi is cool
[13:48] <Habbie> _inc, farnell vs. RS?
[13:48] <frankivo> whats your favorite Pie ? :P
[13:48] <_inc> RS
[13:48] <Milos|Netbook> _inc, what's different? SoC brands?
[13:48] <techman2> channel is more active of late
[13:48] <Habbie> i tried to order 5 raspi's from farnell yesterday
[13:49] <Habbie> order confirmation came in today
[13:49] <_inc> no some sort of port soldered onto the pins
[13:49] <ReggieUK> Milos|Netbook, ahahahahaha
[13:49] <Habbie> silently changed to 1 ;)
[13:49] <Milos|Netbook> ReggieUK, hhoohoho
[13:49] <IT_Sean> Yes, that is because the 1 per person thing is still in effect, Habbie
[13:49] <Milos|Netbook> Habbie, LOL ouch
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[13:49] <Milos|Netbook> So just order it five times.
[13:49] <Milos|Netbook> Geez.
[13:49] <Habbie> IT_Sean, i know, but through a glitch i did have a shopping cart with 5 of 'em in it
[13:49] <Milos|Netbook> 1 x 5 might not work, but 5 x 1 will.
[13:49] <Habbie> heh
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[13:50] <Habbie> the order says they will charge me for 5
[13:50] <Habbie> but only ship me one
[13:50] <Habbie> right ;)
[13:50] <Habbie> they haven't even charged me for my first pi
[13:50] <Milos|Netbook> Haha, I got my first pi a month ago, so I ordered another one. That went fine, using Farnell.
[13:51] <Habbie> i can in fact just order again, it seems
[13:51] <Milos|Netbook> Yeah, exactly.
[13:51] <Habbie> weird!
[13:51] <nidO> have you guys got an actual order page at farnell then? all they seem to have for me is register interest
[13:51] <Milos|Netbook> Is Farnell the same as element14?
[13:51] <Habbie> Milos|Netbook, i believe so
[13:51] <IT_Sean> nidO: you need to register interest to get in the order queue, you will then be sent an invite to order, with a code.
[13:51] <nidO> yeah
[13:52] <Milos|Netbook> Then yes.
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[13:52] <Milos|Netbook> You need to REGISTER first.
[13:52] <Milos|Netbook> Make an account
[13:52] <Milos|Netbook> Then you will see a 'buy' button.
[13:52] <nidO> IT_Sean: have farnell started doing that as well? (fwiw I have received pis from both of them)
[13:52] <Habbie> nidO, yes
[13:52] <IT_Sean> nidO: they have both been doing that since day one.
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[13:52] <Habbie> nidO, although some people seem to be able to just order from farnell
[13:52] <nidO> IT_Sean: farnell didnt, I placed my order on day 1
[13:52] <Habbie> i also managed to order from farnell in the afternoon of day 1
[13:52] <Milos|Netbook> You need to have a direct link to the item.
[13:52] <Habbie> without registering interest
[13:53] <Adya> .
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[13:53] <Milos|Netbook> I will link you in a sec.
[13:53] <Milos|Netbook> Adya, not sure sorry.
[13:53] <Milos|Netbook> To anyone to wants to buy a raspberry pi from element14: http://nz.element14.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=2081185
[13:53] <Milos|Netbook> You need to make an account first, and then you will see a 'buy' button.
[13:53] <IT_Sean> The direct link trick won't work, the uninvited order will just get dumped to the back of the queue, guys.
[13:54] <Milos|Netbook> There is no trick.
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[13:54] <Milos|Netbook> You click buy, and you wait in line.
[13:54] <Milos|Netbook> This is to avoid registering one's interest.
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[13:55] <nidO> sadly i'm not in nz :(
[13:55] <IT_Sean> And you won't get it any sooner, is hwat i am saying.
[13:55] <Milos|Netbook> Oops, you can pick your own country.
[13:55] <Milos|Netbook> I meant to link the world one, whoops.
[13:55] <nidO> selecting uk just dumps you back to the homepage, and the sku number in the uk search takes you to the register interest page
[13:56] <Milos|Netbook> IT_Sean, you will get one sooner if you order it yes, because you will have already entered all your information and submitted an order, rather than being notified when they have stock.
[13:56] <Milos|Netbook> Does it?
[13:56] <Milos|Netbook> Well that's strange.
[13:56] <_inc> i moved house 2 weeks ago so i still haven't gotten to do all the boxes yet. can't find my pi peripherals :(
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[13:58] <Milos|Netbook> IT_Sean, you are right, I didn't know that. How odd.
[14:00] <Vostok> it's so 90's not having a raspberry pi
[14:00] <Vostok> or two
[14:00] <ReggieUK> pfft 70s!
[14:00] <Vostok> should i order a third
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[14:00] <Habbie> i order as much as i can, plenty of people around me who somehow seem to be stuck even farther down the line
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[14:01] <ReggieUK> tbh every extra one you order for yourself is probably some poor kid somewhere that little bit longer away from an education!
[14:01] <ReggieUK> I hope you're happy with yourselves
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[14:01] <IT_Sean> bloody greedy noobs. :/
[14:02] <friggle> I don't see it that way
[14:02] <frankivo> the Pi would be a nice addition to the OLPC
[14:02] <Habbie> ReggieUK, they're not producing for kids yet
[14:02] <shirro> volume is good
[14:02] <ReggieUK> they're producing pi's for anyone that can order them
[14:02] <Habbie> yes, but they're still targeted at developers
[14:02] <Habbie> coming without a case and such
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[14:03] <ReggieUK> a lot will be kids/educators trying to get the jump on the edu release
[14:03] <Milos|Netbook> How fast is production?
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[14:03] * ReggieUK wanders off to see if his son's pi has arrived yet.....
[14:03] <Habbie> Milos|Netbook, 'a couple thousand a day' i heard/read
[14:04] <Milos|Netbook> :OOOOOO
[14:04] <Milos|Netbook> That's quite a lot.
[14:04] <IT_Sean> Not compared w/ demand.
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[14:04] <Milos|Netbook> Have they edited things like 10M and any other mislabelings?
[14:04] <larsemil> If i want to run xbmc on my rpi, can i use the debian image?
[14:04] <ReggieUK> last I heard there were 85,000 pis in the wild
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> maybe someone could start a Pi Counter like the old Linux counter...
[14:05] <Habbie> farnell emailed me back in -7 minutes- just now
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> how many pins on that Pi loction site now?
[14:05] <frankivo> Habbie: what did they say
[14:05] <nidO> 6148 on rastrack now
[14:05] <Milos|Netbook> "We heard you like pis, so we sent you one for free."
[14:05] <Habbie> frankivo, i asked them about two mistakes in ordering/payment processing, they said they rectified one and forwarded the other
[14:06] <Habbie> frankivo, although i don't see the rectification in my order history yet ;)
[14:06] <frankivo> hmm
[14:06] <larsemil> If i want to run xbmc on my rpi, can i use the debian image?
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[14:06] <Habbie> larsemil, repeating your question that often is not useful; it also suggests you did not do any research yourself in the meantime
[14:07] <bardzusny> larsemil: it's full debian, if xbmc is in repos, why not? (correct me if I'm wrong)
[14:07] <frankivo> Habbie: farnell could save some time by sending out some more info
[14:07] <frankivo> instead of answering 100s of mails
[14:07] <frankivo> :P
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[14:07] <larsemil> Habbie: well, i am googling like crazy without getting any concrete answer.
[14:08] <_inc> 1.5A is fine right? the pi takes what it needs?
[14:08] <frankivo> _inc: ye, about half of that
[14:08] <Habbie> _inc, yes
[14:08] <bfdb> _inc: the pi won't take any more than 700mA
[14:08] <megatog615> _inc: don't go over 2, lol
[14:08] <Habbie> larsemil, then say so! if you want help, show that you've tried
[14:08] <_inc> sweet
[14:08] <_inc> just need to unpack my sd cards, don't know where the box is
[14:08] <IT_Sean> Anything over 700mA is fine.
[14:08] <ShiftPlusOne> megatog615, you can go over two, it won't make a difference.
[14:09] <nidO> larsemil: result 2 on google: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=8355
[14:09] <Arch1mede> IT_Sean: it made a difference with mu Pi
[14:09] <nidO> larsemil: result 3 on google: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=6632
[14:09] <Habbie> Arch1mede, what made a difference?
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> larsemil, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=raspberry+pi+xbmc
[14:09] <Arch1mede> IT_Sean: to go over 850 mA
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> :)
[14:09] <nidO> both state the answer is a big fat no.
[14:09] <IT_Sean> No it didn't
[14:09] <bfdb> the main fuse is 700mA
[14:10] <IT_Sean> you can supply as much as you like, the polyfuse will only blow if the pi attempts to DRAW too much
[14:10] <gurgalof> you should always have a little headroom on the PSU
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[14:10] <Milos|Netbook> I run my pi from my netbook's USB port. :D
[14:10] <ShiftPlusOne> pi doesn't even draw near 700mA in my experience.
[14:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I get about 300mA
[14:11] <nidO> the 700mA figure assumes the nic + both usb ports are in use and drawing 100mA
[14:11] <nidO> otherwise, power draw is closer to 300-400
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> If you have 2 USBs at 120mA each, then the Pi is only allowed 700-120*2 = 460mA max - plug in a board powered by the GPIO and hope it's inside the limits....
[14:11] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[14:12] <bardzusny> nid0: does that mean pi won't give more than 100mA on it's usb ports?
[14:12] <Arch1mede> IT_Sean: using a 5V 850mA i was getting 4.73V across tp1 and tp2 which is on the cust of being out of bounds....i would get randoms reboots, usb kkb would flake out and such...i replaced with a 1000mA and its much more stable..i also replaced my hub with one that was recommended and that also made alot of difference
[14:12] <nidO> bardzusny: yes
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> nidO, why not 140?
[14:12] <IT_Sean> Arch1mede: then you had a dodgy power supply. Your issues had nothing to do with it being an 850mA supply.
[14:12] <Milos|Netbook> Arch1mede, so what readings do you get now?
[14:12] <nidO> bardzusny: as gordonDrogon has mentioned, the figure's actually closer to 120mA afaik but its that ballpark, you arent gonna be driving high power devices from it
[14:12] <Milos|Netbook> You didn't really report an "after" set of results.
[14:13] <Arch1mede> Milos|Netbook: now i get 4.99-5.01V across tp1 and tp2
[14:13] <Milos|Netbook> Nice.
[14:13] <bardzusny> nidO, gordonDrogon: thanks for this information
[14:13] <Arch1mede> IT_Sean: i tried 4 power supplies all with the sameish results
[14:13] <Milos|Netbook> Which set of results?
[14:13] <IT_Sean> It wounds like your "bad" PSUs were just poorly regulated.
[14:13] <Habbie> Arch1mede, most power supplies are shit
[14:13] <Arch1mede> Habbie: yeah it seems so
[14:13] <Habbie> sorry
[14:13] <Habbie> i meant
[14:13] <Habbie> most power supplies are bad
[14:13] <Milos|Netbook> lol
[14:13] <Habbie> we need to watch language in here :)
[14:14] <nidO> i've really struggled to personally find any power supplies that dont work fine
[14:14] <Milos|Netbook> I haven't had any issues either.
[14:14] * bardzusny had
[14:14] <nidO> i've got: a touchpad charger, 3 nokia chargers of various ages, an htc charger, 2 cheapo aftermarket chargers, and a usb cable from my desktop's front ports
[14:14] <bardzusny> buy cheap chinese crap and sooner or later you'll find one
[14:14] <nidO> all power the pi flawlessly
[14:14] <Milos|Netbook> Yup.
[14:15] <Arch1mede> Milos|Netbook: alot of people dont seem to have issues im reading...i donno why mine is so sensitive
[14:15] <Milos|Netbook> http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.co.nz/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
[14:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Arch1mede, any chance you're using a bad cable?
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> lunchtime. laters...
[14:15] <Arch1mede> nidO: ohhh all of mine powered mine np but when i started hooking up other things it became more unstable
[14:15] <bfdb> Milos: the author of that is an asshole
[14:15] <Milos|Netbook> bfdb, I disagree.
[14:15] <Arch1mede> ShiftPlusOne: i tried different cables as well
[14:16] <Arch1mede> shorter ones.....longer ones...didnt make a difference
[14:16] <Milos|Netbook> bfdb, also, you used a bad word.
[14:16] <bfdb> oh no
[14:16] <bfdb> Milos: that word is pg13
[14:17] <IT_Sean> Guys, please do feel free to leave the language warnings and the like to channel staff. Thank you.
[14:17] <Milos|Netbook> Don't use that language.
[14:18] <Arch1mede> and learn from me...what you think is a cheap hub = garbage....i bought this 7 power powered hub that has 2 little usb ports that flip up for usb flash drives...yeah its not good for the Pi at all
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[14:20] <bfdb> Arch1mede: the problem is that they almost never provide the specs
[14:21] <bfdb> Someone needs to make a usb hub shield
[14:21] <bfdb> I would buy that
[14:22] <Arch1mede> bfdb: well this has all the power ratings right but was using the terminus chip set which doesnt mesh well for the Pi....
[14:22] <ReggieUK> bfdb, mind your language please
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[14:23] <ReggieUK> terminus chipset makes me shudder
[14:23] <ReggieUK> cos it'll be surrounded by 1/2 soldered components
[14:23] <ReggieUK> and empty pads
[14:24] <Arch1mede> ReggieUK: this one i replaced it with...this belkin 4 port it night and day better for the Pi
[14:24] <bfdb> ReggieUK: what language?
[14:24] <ReggieUK> if I thought it was bad I'm not going to repeat it am I?
[14:24] <Arch1mede> ReggieUK: plus the terminus chip set puts the usb ports to sleep which i think is bad
[14:25] <ReggieUK> Arch1mede, really? I didn't know it did that :/
[14:25] <three14> Got a shipping confirmation this morning from RS. Pi #2 is apparently on it's way.
[14:25] <Arch1mede> ReggieUK: i dont know if it was the chip set or if it was for this paticular hub
[14:25] <ReggieUK> I know that in general, on teh hubs I've seen using it, they tie it so that it always thinks it's drawing power from a psu
[14:25] <ReggieUK> whether it is or not
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[14:27] <Arch1mede> ReggieUK: well between the ps and the hub anything i put into the hub stopped being detected on the Pi and i would get a lower power error on the console....so the usb hdd that kept dissapearing has stayed connected
[14:27] <bfdb> ReggieUK: That's easy, you just snip the power lines on the cable
[14:28] <ReggieUK> I'd like to agree taht would be an easy way to do things but it doesn't always work out like that
[14:30] <three14> First World Nail Biter Problem: Can't remove protective film from acrylic case for Pi. :'(
[14:30] <ReggieUK> that's ok
[14:30] <ReggieUK> it'll stay protected until your nails grow
[14:30] <three14> it's fine. i don't mind the brown film
[14:31] <Arch1mede> three14: adafruit?
[14:32] <jaakkos> pretty much all usb devices work for me without power issues, without hub, after doing http://users.tkk.fi/~jvsalo/usb_mod.jpg - i also had supply power via GPIO since the usb hub i was using limited the power too much (voltage drops).
[14:32] <three14> Arch1mede, yea. if it works out nicely i'll have a few more cut from the files posted on thingverse.
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[14:33] <Arch1mede> three14: nice...i dont supposed youd share your .bashrc would you? you made it sould kewl
[14:33] <Arch1mede> err sound
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[14:34] <bfdc> what is kewl?
[14:34] <three14> Arch1mede, really it's just the stock one from gentoo
[14:34] <blkhawk> i wonder if i can get a really iny screen with composite somewhere
[14:35] <ReggieUK> the only thing that bothers me with that mod jaakkos, is there is zero protection on the usb
[14:35] <blkhawk> my new desk hasn't got the space fot a 3rd monitor yet
[14:35] <ReggieUK> mine does blkhawk :)
[14:35] <blkhawk> I moved
[14:35] <blkhawk> it was / is a nighmare
[14:35] <nidO> im going for 4 when I replace these two, cant settle on the screens to get though :<
[14:36] <ReggieUK> oh?
[14:36] <blkhawk> ya
[14:36] <bfdc> blkhawk: I think ssh to be the best solution. Use your existing monitor, from your existing keyboard, from your existing computer
[14:36] <ReggieUK> :(
[14:36] <blkhawk> had to leave a lotbehind
[14:36] <ReggieUK> :(
[14:36] <blkhawk> bfdc: I want to do some development using video
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[14:36] <ReggieUK> I'd like to see that mod with a 750ma fuse for each port
[14:37] <ReggieUK> or maybe a tad less
[14:37] <jaakkos> ReggieUK: one of the ports should be somewhat protected as i'm soldering on different sides of the polyswitch
[14:37] <bfdc> ReggieUK: You would have to replace the main fuse too
[14:37] <jaakkos> ReggieUK: however, i'm now supplying via gpio anyway - microusb just doesn't seem to give me enough power
[14:37] <ReggieUK> bfdc, depends, if hes powering via gpio, he wouldn't need to
[14:37] <ReggieUK> but he should! :)
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[14:38] <bfdc> powering via gpio is crazy talk
[14:38] <blkhawk> bfdc: self powering via gpio?
[14:38] <bfdc> yes
[14:38] <jaakkos> bfdc: what's crazy about it
[14:39] <bfdc> there's no fuse
[14:39] <jaakkos> if i run 1TB usb hdd and some random realtek wifi, with my hub, voltage drops to 4.4-4.5V when i use everything, even when the hub has 3A psu
[14:39] <ShiftPlusOne> bfdc, you can provide your own fuse.
[14:39] <jaakkos> when i supply that via gpio, voltage stays at stable 5.2V
[14:39] <ShiftPlusOne> or limit the current ont he power supply
[14:39] <jaakkos> (using the same psu :))
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[14:40] <bfdc> ShiftPlusOne: you're an aussie right?
[14:40] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[14:40] <bfdc> did you feel an earthquake?
[14:41] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[14:41] <ShiftPlusOne> about an hour ago =)
[14:41] <bfdc> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usb000ajek.php
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[14:42] <Milos|Netbook> does that mean you'er in melbourne?
[14:42] <Milos|Netbook> s/er/re/
[14:43] <_inc> argggh can't find my sdhc
[14:43] <_inc> I'm writing a 1GB kingston :(
[14:43] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I am
[14:44] <bfdc> _inc: smaller sd cards are faster
[14:44] <Milos|Netbook> I was hoping so, otherwise that was implying possibly the entire australia felt it
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[14:44] <_inc> bfdc: older ones aint
[14:44] <Milos|Netbook> 30MB/s :D
[14:44] <blkhawk> bfdc: ohhh i have a 128mb one - that one might beat my ssd :P
[14:44] <bfdc> Milos: most of australia lives in that area
[14:44] <Milos|Netbook> Nice.
[14:44] <Milos|Netbook> Melbourne is the most populated area?
[14:45] <shirro> bfdc: no they don't
[14:45] <shirro> Milos|Netbook: second most
[14:45] <Milos|Netbook> What is first, Sydney?
[14:45] <ShiftPlusOne> The important thing is we survived, a miracle, clearly.
[14:46] <shirro> The cleanup though. All those chairs to pick up
[14:46] <techman2> shirro: latest news reports say 3 broken jars of vegemite.
[14:46] <ShiftPlusOne> that bad? over here the table shook for a few seconds.
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[14:47] <shirro> i hope nobody spilt their freshly roasted coffee.
[14:47] <three14> OH NO!! not the vegemite!!!
[14:48] <bfdc> god australians are weird
[14:48] <shirro> bfdc: compared with?
[14:48] <three14> vegemite's not bad at all if you on;y spread the absolute smallest amount on bread/toast
[14:49] <ShiftPlusOne> vegemite is not bad at all, if you throw it in the bin.
[14:49] <three14> lol
[14:49] <bfdc> shirro: rest of the world
[14:49] <three14> how can you throw it in the bin if it's upside down?!
[14:49] <three14> i mean, it'll just tumble back out
[14:49] <shirro> vegemite is salty beer paste. it is the best thing ever.
[14:49] <ShiftPlusOne> our gravity is upside down too
[14:50] <Milos|Netbook> :O
[14:50] <three14> ShiftPlusOne, that's what you'd like us to think. -_-
[14:50] <Milos|Netbook> And toilets?
[14:50] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[14:50] <Milos|Netbook> Or sinks rather.
[14:50] <Milos|Netbook> Well, drains.
[14:50] <three14> Milos|Netbook, just for show
[14:50] <Milos|Netbook> I'm in NZ, so same applies.
[14:51] <bfdc> it would suck to live in australia if you have agoraphobia, people would be falling into the sky
[14:51] <shirro> I love that nz has earthquakes all day and night and they barely pay melbourne out over their earthquake at all.
[14:51] <three14> lol, so the faildozer came through here this morning. got the adafruit pi box assembled perfectly. dropped it.
[14:51] <bfdc> three14: american?
[14:52] <gurgalof> three14, :(
[14:52] <three14> yea, but don't judge me over dropping the pi box
[14:52] <ShiftPlusOne> it broke because you dropped it? O_o
[14:52] <bfdc> nah, I was just wondering about adafruit's worldwide shipping
[14:52] <three14> it only chipped one corner. power side.
[14:52] <bfdc> three14: did you get a ribbon cable?
[14:53] <three14> bfdc, pretty sure they ship worldwide, but take my advice, only buy specialty or hard to find things there.
[14:53] <three14> if you buy LEDs or some passive components, you're gonna have a bad time
[14:53] <bfdc> Yeah, I've just been eyeing up the pi case
[14:53] <three14> and by specialty items, i mean their breakout boards and the like. great for protoyping
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[14:54] <three14> the drop of the pi box chipped one of the corners that lock on the end.
[14:54] <gurgalof> three14, how is the quality otherwise?
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[14:54] <three14> gurgalof, fine from what i can tell. feels more solid than i imagined.
[14:55] <three14> gurgalof, although it does rattle slightly without an sd card inserted.
[14:55] <bfdc> it's not loose at all with the dragon claws?
[14:55] <gurgalof> yeah...
[14:55] <three14> nope, it's rather tight.
[14:55] <gurgalof> the dragon claws are great
[14:55] <three14> with the sd card in place, you really have to shake it to get itto rattle
[14:56] <gurgalof> mine has a nicer color :P https://www.dropbox.com/s/iz7h7jviazu7njs/2012-06-18%2015.05.38.jpg
[14:56] <three14> oddly enough, the dragon clows didn't break during the drop, but rather the top corner of the end piece that the top claw fit into
[14:56] <three14> gurgalof, i didn't remove the brown protective layer
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[14:56] <bfdc> gurgalof: gross, this isn't the 90's anymore!
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[14:57] <ukscone> three14: i have an adafruit case and i broke that corner off putting it together, they sent me a spare in the next thing i ordered from them
[14:58] <ukscone> it was 100% my fault as i didn't put it together properly but they were really nice about sending a replacement
[14:58] <gurgalof> i got my plastic for free, and just lasercut it myself
[14:59] <three14> ukscone, i don't need a spare. i'd feel bad asking or telling them. haha.
[14:59] <Milos|Netbook> ukscone, did you tell them and they were like "oh no problem we'll send you another"?
[14:59] <markllama> bfdc: It's "Madmen"
[14:59] <bfdc> ukscone: does the adafruit case have the same finish on the edges as gurgalof's picture?
[14:59] <three14> besides. now that i know how the case works. i can go have another cut myself. possibly out of wood too
[14:59] <ukscone> Milos|Netbook: i asked if it was possible to buy just that piece and they said they'd send me a new one
[15:00] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like they are quite useless cases if they chip so easily O_o
[15:00] <Milos|Netbook> ukscone, oh excellent :)
[15:00] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: the plastic is of a harder variety that other softer more plasticy ones like the pihouse
[15:00] <bfdc> I'd rather it chip than break the pi, it's like the crumple-zone on a car :P
[15:00] <ukscone> the pihpuse is almost bendy
[15:01] <ukscone> and very rubber feeling
[15:01] <ShiftPlusOne> bfdc, i'd rather neither >=/
[15:01] <three14> well if you put it together correctly, they work flawlessly. if you ride the faildozer early in the morning like me and drop the damned thing, yea, it'll chip. i mean, it's acrylic.
[15:01] <bfdc> markllama: huh
[15:01] <ukscone> i didn't follow the video exactly and did the last bit in the wrong order because of course I KNOW BETTER than the designer :)
[15:02] <ukscone> i put it on the dragon claw first then the non-movable bit and then just forced it :)
[15:02] <bfdc> ukscone: so wait.. when it wasn't fitting together you just forced it?!
[15:03] <ukscone> bfdc: it was sort of going together and for some reason seemed to think the dragon clay but was both top and botom, i wasn't watching what i was doing as the cycling was on
[15:03] <gurgalof> bfdc the finish on my edges is straight from the laser
[15:03] <bfdc> gurgalof: Yeah, I was just wondering whether they would have the same finish
[15:04] <gurgalof> could be, or could be much nicer, since adafruit has a much nicer cutter
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[15:07] <three14> a case makes a huge difference in terms of plugging things in with ease, though.
[15:07] <techman2> I am waiting on a modmypi case.
[15:08] <bfdc> techman2: ditto, they released some images on twitter a little while ago
[15:08] <techman2> yeah just looking at them now
[15:08] <techman2> I went for a red/white combo
[15:08] <three14> didn't hook up my gpio cable. it's a 26pin cable i happened to have lying around. 2ft long. o_O
[15:09] <three14> i suppose i can always shorten it later
[15:09] <bfdc> techman2: I asked about the finish on the irc channel and the guy said they're going to bead blast them
[15:09] <techman2> so they'll be textured?
[15:09] <bfdc> techman2: boring black for me
[15:10] <three14> how does the modmypi case handle the difference with USB and ethernet ports?
[15:10] <three14> on the adafruit pi box the usb sticks out, while the thernet is slightly recessed
[15:10] <bfdc> techman2: I dunno, he said they won't be too glossy because that looks cheap
[15:11] <three14> like the original ps3
[15:11] <three14> lol
[15:11] <techman2> bfdc: has anyone told apple that?
[15:11] <three14> my friend got some dust on his 1st gen ps3, wiped it down once and it had swirls from that point on.
[15:11] <bfdc> techman2: they stoppped with the shiny years ago, it's been anodised aluminium for ages
[15:12] <techman2> bfdc: my iphone 4 is pretty shiny.
[15:12] <bfdc> techman2: all the shiny bits are glass
[15:12] <IT_Sean> your iPhone 4 is also glass, not plastic
[15:12] <techman2> I know that
[15:12] <three14> My iphone 3gs has a plastic back
[15:12] <techman2> just making the point that it's shiny
[15:12] <bfdc> three14: it's also 2+years old
[15:12] <_inc> ok so i found my sdhc now i just discovered I have mini usb not micro usb power supply :(
[15:13] <three14> it's also still an awesome phone
[15:13] <bfdc> it won't get ios 6
[15:13] <three14> sure it will
[15:13] <techman2> bfdc: yes they will
[15:13] <three14> has to since AT&T still, for some reason, sells it
[15:13] <bfdc> nah, they only support the last 2 gens behind the curren gen
[15:14] <three14> i'll say this. i don't think ios6 is gonna run that well on it.
[15:14] <three14> 5 runs like hell without some tweaks
[15:14] <techman2> three14: I have an old 3G that runs 4.2.1. It's horrible.
[15:14] <_inc> iOS doesn't run on 3g, iOS 6 wont
[15:14] <three14> 3GS
[15:14] <three14> not the 3G
[15:14] <_inc> ah gotcha :P
[15:15] <three14> techman2, downgrade to 4.1
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[15:15] <three14> 4.1 was the best on 3gs
[15:15] <bfdc> three14: apple let you downgrade?
[15:15] <_inc> was anything significant announced for iOS6 other than the maps thing?
[15:15] <three14> if you have backed up shsh blobs
[15:15] <techman2> I cant be bothered. I will be getting a new phone in August
[15:16] <bfdc> _inc: yeah lots of little things
[15:16] <bfdc> they're changing the look of ios, the status bar is going to change colour depending on the app it's in
[15:16] <techman2> _inc: yes it automatically forwards all your personal data to facebook.
[15:16] <_inc> haha
[15:17] <_inc> i think its ridiculous how they feature lock devices
[15:17] <three14> anything integrating facebook is a turn-off for me, tbh
[15:17] <_inc> i want siri on my phone
[15:17] <bfdc> _inc: no you don't. siri doesn't act anything like it does in the ads
[15:17] <bfdc> siri is really crap
[15:17] <three14> ^ this
[15:17] <_inc> for driving
[15:17] <bfdc> it's still crap
[15:17] <three14> ^ this
[15:18] <three14> lol
[15:18] <techman2> three14: but think how convenient it would be to not have to provide all your data the manual, old fashioned way. Now you can be tracked constantly without doing a thing!
[15:18] <three14> techman2, it's be sweet if i still used facebook
[15:19] <techman2> I am not a big fan of it.
[15:19] <three14> i didn't mind the location tracking apple did prior to ios 4.2.x (iirc), i used to use that data to map where i'd been. i thought it was normal until all the news stories broke. and of course, people were up in arms about it.
[15:20] <three14> itunes always had the ability to encrypt backups anyway i think
[15:20] <techman2> yet people "check in" on facebook all day long.
[15:20] <bfdc> I love my android
[15:20] <three14> techman2, they just wanted something to complain about
[15:20] <techman2> providing the whole world with where they've been.
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[15:20] <techman2> yeah
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[15:21] <bfdc> I don't mind network based location data, that can just tell which town I'm in, but gps data just drains my battery
[15:21] <three14> in order to get that location data from your phone, the attackers would have needed root access to the phone or physical access to your comp. if they have physical access to your comp, you have other things to qworry about than logged location data.
[15:22] <bfdc> attackers?
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[15:22] <bfdc> who would want to attack you?
[15:22] <claesmathias> Hi, I got a little problem with my RPi. Openelec boots, but xbmc won't. ssh/.. working, but how can i boot xbmc?
[15:22] <three14> bfdc, exactly. but people that whined to apple about logged data sure thought there was a problem
[15:23] <bfdc> I'm not comfortable living this close to london during the olympics. It's obvious it's going to get nuked by terrorists
[15:23] <three14> and thanks to that comment, the US govt is now watching this chan
[15:23] <bfdc> claesmathias: which OS?
[15:23] <three14> Hi, FBI/CIA/DHS! :-*
[15:24] <techman2> three14: you forgot NSA
[15:24] <bfdc> three14: more likely MI6
[15:24] <three14> Hi NSA too!
[15:24] <claesmathias> Openelec
[15:24] <bfdc> I was thinking of going camping in wales or the lake district for two weeks while it's going on
[15:25] <three14> and yes, hello MI6. Sorry we had to be traitors to the crown a few hundred years ago.
[15:25] <drazyltoo> don't forget to wave to GCHQ
[15:25] <bfdc> That should be far away enough right?
[15:25] <bfdc> What is the blast radius of a nuke?
[15:25] <three14> depends on the type and yield
[15:26] <bfdc> I don't want to get radiated either
[15:26] <drazyltoo> depends on the size and whether it is air-burst, ground-burst etc
[15:26] <three14> bfdc, sart with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-lADZG6-PI
[15:26] <three14> start*
[15:26] <bfdc> I don't want to end up a ghoul
[15:26] <Matt> bfdc: you should go visit hack green
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[15:26] <_inc> oh no the government agencies are watching
[15:27] <bfdc> terrorists are the only ones who would dare use nukes. No sane government would.
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[15:27] <three14> "sane"
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[15:27] <ReggieUK> about time this conversation stopped, back onto at least marginally pi related please
[15:28] <bfdc> Matt: I don't want to get stuck in a bunker. Surely moving up north would be okay?
[15:28] <_inc> anyone wanna send me a free microusb? :P
[15:28] <bfdc> _inc: a cable?
[15:28] <_inc> yea, I've been silly and thought i had one. instead i have 10 or so MINI usb cables
[15:28] <_inc> :)
[15:29] <bfdc> buy a kindle
[15:29] <bfdc> they come with micro usb cables
[15:29] <_inc> tesco.com says ??10 for one
[15:29] <bfdc> whaaaaaat? ??10?!
[15:30] <_inc> i know right
[15:30] <_inc> quite a markup
[15:30] <bfdc> micro usb cables should be max ??2
[15:30] <Milos|Netbook> ebay
[15:30] <bfdc> maybe 50p for a cheap chinese one
[15:30] <gurgalof> bfdc no max ??1
[15:30] <frankivo> those arent worht 50p tho :P
[15:30] <frankivo> garbage mostly
[15:31] <gurgalof> chinese ones are crap
[15:31] <_inc> any places on the british high street i should go?
[15:31] <bfdc> maplin?
[15:31] <_inc> or anything brick and mortar?
[15:31] <ReggieUK> get a samsung 'u2' cable
[15:31] <bfdc> _inc: poundland
[15:32] <_inc> bfdc: good shout
[15:32] <ReggieUK> not really, they're very poor quality
[15:32] <bfdc> holy crap.. ??15 for a micro usb power supply from maplin....
[15:32] <_inc> yup
[15:33] <_inc> crazy isn't it
[15:33] <_inc> i think marlin are loosing it
[15:33] <_inc> maplin alslo
[15:33] <_inc> * losing
[15:33] <bfdc> asda sell these adaptor packs, it's like a fiver or something, it gives you one long usb cable and 5 adaptors or so for all the different usb connectors
[15:34] <ReggieUK> those are also poor quality
[15:34] <ReggieUK> from my experience :D
[15:34] <ReggieUK> you get a voltage drop from teh cable
[15:34] <ReggieUK> same as the poundland charger cables
[15:34] <bfdc> *the
[15:34] <ReggieUK> poundland microusb as 4 strands of wire per pole
[15:35] <ReggieUK> we're talking kynar thickness, not hookup wire here
[15:35] <_inc> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004AVR738/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=A2KWJZUJ4LWGYO
[15:35] <_inc> recommended?
[15:36] <ReggieUK> not had experience of them
[15:36] <bfdc> yup
[15:36] <bfdc> I have one of these
[15:36] <ReggieUK> I've avoided chargers, as they have a tendency to drop off the voltage as they reach their rated current
[15:37] <bfdc> it's annoying that the charger is 3 piece though..
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[15:38] <_inc> ReggieUK: what do you use?
[15:38] <ReggieUK> I've got a 2amp 5v d-link PSU
[15:38] <bfdc> _inc: probably an overpriced monster cable
[15:38] <three14> metal coathangers ftw
[15:38] <ReggieUK> I cut the jack off it and replaced it with a standard DC jack
[15:38] <bfdc> "it's got gold plated connectors so it must be better!"
[15:38] <ReggieUK> 5.5mm/2.1mm
[15:38] <_inc> cool
[15:39] <ReggieUK> wow, bfdc chip on your shoulder, much?
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[15:39] <bfdc> ReggieUK: huh
[15:39] <ReggieUK> I'm only giving advice about cables because I've had experience of them
[15:39] <bfdc> that was a typical monster cable customer
[15:39] <bfdc> not you
[15:40] <_inc> basically, most chargers are not very efficient, and most devices made for them compensate for that
[15:40] <ReggieUK> basically, the samsung u2 cable was the best one I found for not causing a voltage drop when used to power the pi
[15:41] <bfdc> _inc: of course they're not efficient, anything converting AC to DC is not going to be efficient
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[15:41] <ReggieUK> they're expensive on the highstreet
[15:41] <ReggieUK> but cheap enough on ebay
[15:41] <Pitel> can I dd SD image directly on Pi?
[15:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Pitel, what will the pi be running from?
[15:42] <mjr> yeah, if you're running from an usb drive or the network at that point, can't see why not
[15:42] <Pitel> i gurss it can keep all necessary binaries in RAM, and then reboot
[15:42] <mjr> but otherwise, a bit chancy
[15:42] <Pitel> like, you can `rm -rf /` on real linux
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[15:43] <bfdc> ReggieUK: ebay is full of fakes
[15:43] <bfdc> never ever buy an sd card off ebay
[15:43] <bfdc> it applies to a lot of stuff
[15:43] <Pitel> but... I guess it can't keep the whole new image in RAM, so it will fail.
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[15:44] <ReggieUK> all the little phone shops tried to charge me ??6-10 for one
[15:44] <ReggieUK> which I'd pay to know it was a decent cable
[15:44] <jaakkos> i was planning to hack a ribbon cable for serial and gpio power, but these ribbon cables seem so thin i can't imagine running multiple amps through them
[15:44] <ReggieUK> if I hadn't already paid that to get a cable that looked deceptively decent and wasn't
[15:44] <ReggieUK> jaakkos, I have mine running via 5v on the gpio
[15:45] <bfdc> the pi should definitely ship with a cable/power supply in the edu release, since it obviously doesn't run as well with existing equipment as it was supposed to
[15:45] <ReggieUK> and they're not running multiple amps
[15:46] <ReggieUK> agreed, 700ma chargers was a poor choice
[15:46] <ReggieUK> fine if you own an ipad, galaxy etc.
[15:46] <ReggieUK> but for the other 99% of people.......
[15:46] <ReggieUK> miniUSB was also the ubiquitous connection
[15:46] <three14> would have been better to use a barrel jack
[15:47] <IT_Sean> microUSB is rated for a longer life
[15:47] <jaakkos> ReggieUK: i don't really know how much my external hdd and wireless dongle take together - neither worked without the usb_mod.jpg
[15:47] <ReggieUK> not micro-usb
[15:47] <Matt> IT_Sean: by an order of magnitude IIRC
[15:47] <ReggieUK> jaakkos, that's different :)
[15:47] <ReggieUK> I'm not bypassing my polyfuses yet
[15:47] <ShiftPlusOne> would anyone happen to know what the resistance on those 140mA polyfuses?
[15:47] <bfdc> IT_Sean: indeed, because the spring is in the cable connector
[15:47] <ShiftPlusOne> ...is
[15:47] <ReggieUK> in fact, I don't really want to bypass them
[15:47] <ReggieUK> I want to replace them
[15:48] <ReggieUK> I don't think the stock ones are really any good for even 100ma
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[15:49] <three14> anyone try uboot on the pi?
[15:50] <three14> http://people.freebsd.org/~gonzo/arm/rpi/rpi-uboot.tar.gz
[15:50] <ReggieUK> there was some talk of it working
[15:50] <ReggieUK> don't know how far they got with it
[15:50] <three14> http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=127
[15:50] <ReggieUK> it was at least scanning usb and networking when I saw a screenie of it
[15:50] <hadifarnoud> Can RPi handle the VPN traffic? I'm thinking of using it for hosting a VPN server for unfortunate individuals in countries like Iran or China
[15:51] <jaakkos> ReggieUK: hmm. i'm planning to replace the microusb connector with something else
[15:51] <bfdc> hadifarnoud: no
[15:51] <ShiftPlusOne> hadifarnoud, not better than tor
[15:51] <ReggieUK> I'll leave the microusb on mine
[15:52] <ReggieUK> and use the gpio
[15:52] <hadifarnoud> ShiftPlusOne: I don't know how Iranian telecom company did this, but Tor does not work in Iran
[15:52] <three14> jaakkos, problem with that is space available. i'd kill for a good barrel jack. will have to imcorporate one into a custom case.
[15:52] <ReggieUK> I'll probably get rid of the ribbon if I ever need more power going through there
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[15:52] <ShiftPlusOne> hadifarnoud, interesting
[15:52] <bfdc> hadifarnoud: does hotspotshield work?
[15:53] <hadifarnoud> nothing works except VPN and some custom apps like freegate
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[15:53] <hadifarnoud> ShiftPlusOne: just wanted to know if RPi CPU is powerful enough for relaying traffic
[15:53] <ShiftPlusOne> is there more info on uboot support? does it pass kernel parameters from pi's bootloader? does VC work after booting with it?
[15:53] <three14> hadifarnoud, maybe for twitter
[15:54] <bfdc> hadifarnoud: ethernet is limited to ~8MB/s
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[15:54] <hadifarnoud> bfdc: really? why?
[15:54] <mjr> I doubt the ethernet would be a bottleneck for vpn stuff, but I could be wrong
[15:54] <hadifarnoud> I was more worried about cpu and ram tbh
[15:55] <bfdc> hadifarnoud: it's only 10/100mbit, and with overhead you won't get much above 8
[15:56] <hadifarnoud> I give it a try. $35 for giving someone freedom of speech is nothing. hopefully can handle it.
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[15:56] <bfdc> has anyone tried the allied cases? I thought they looked terrible
[15:57] <bfdc> hadifarnoud: a proper vpn would be better, if they can afford it
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[15:58] <three14> hadifarnoud, i think that's a noble use for the Pi, tbh. If it helps to get the word out about oppression and murder (e.g. the basij murder of neda).
[15:58] <Matt> I'm sure the pi will handle openvpn just fine
[15:58] <Matt> afterall, my wrt54gl used to
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[15:59] <djp_> bfdc: i like the lego case :)
[15:59] <bfdc> djp_: lego is fine if you're 8 and have some lying around
[15:59] <bfdc> but otherwise they look terrible
[15:59] <bfdc> and feel terrible
[15:59] <hadifarnoud> three14: If it works, I can put an img together and other folks and help with this cause. it did help at a time. that's why we know about the stuff now
[15:59] <bfdc> and they should feel bad for making one
[16:00] <djp_> bfdc: lego is fine if your closer to 48 as well... and have some lying sround in your kids bedroom! ;) \o/
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[16:00] <bfdc> unfortunately I am neither of these things
[16:01] <djp_> bfdc: :)
[16:01] <bfdc> I'll have to stick with my modmypi case
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[16:01] <gordonDrogon> hadifarnoud, the limitation on the Pi for VPN will be the software overhead of the encryption.
[16:02] <hadifarnoud> I guess it can handle one or two users? gordonDrogon
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[16:02] <gordonDrogon> it'll handle lots - just get slower & slower :)
[16:02] <hadifarnoud> haha, I know. I mean properly
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon> it all depends on your expectations, I guess.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> however it's boringly trivial for really opresive people to block most VPNs.
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[16:04] <mikey_w> Is speed or functionality more important for a clandestine vpn server?
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> and realistically, you'd be better off just using an amazon EC2 instance...
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> if you host it at home, then it's tracable... depending on how hard the people wanting to stop such activities want to find their sympathisers...
[16:05] <bardzusny> I cannot see rpi handling a lot of encrypted traffic (and "clandestine" vpn will or at least should be encrypted traffic)
[16:06] <bardzusny> leave this stuff to tor
[16:06] <mikey_w> I run a openvpn server on one of my home desktops for use when at a public hotspot.
[16:06] <kghost> DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
[16:06] <kghost> is it an hardware issue or software issue ?
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[16:06] <_inc> unknown
[16:06] <kghost> pi design flew ?
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[16:07] <_inc> i was reading this last night and apparently the pi might be flawed with the usb implementation
[16:07] <bardzusny> mikey_w: install ptunnel and use most paid hot-spots for free
[16:08] <mikey_w> I am not interested in stealing services.
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> _inc, in what way do you think it's flawed?
[16:09] <bardzusny> not really stealing, but I understand
[16:09] <_inc> gordonDrogon: its just what i read
[16:10] <_inc> gordonDrogon: it might be misinformation, but i heard there was a slight hardware bug
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> _inc, in general it works, although it's not impossible there may still be some bugs in the code.
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> 10000's of people are using Ethernet over the USB right now for example.
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> and most of them will have keyboards and mice plugged in - all working.
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> mine cerianly seem OK in that respect.
[16:11] <frankivo> i can panic the pi by plugging in a keyboard :P
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> but like any complex bit of hardware & software who can say what the issues might be...
[16:11] <three14> if i had to pick anything that had a flaw, i'd say power provisioning. ethernet and usb (for low power devices) is flawless so far.
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[16:12] <gordonDrogon> FrankBuss, well, win7 can do that too, so it's nothing special ;-)
[16:12] <frankivo> :)
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[16:12] <frankivo> i should try that keyboard on my laptop
[16:13] <frankivo> see if it crashes ubuntu
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[16:14] <Draylor> _inc: could just be software probelms that have been fixed a while ago
[16:15] <Draylor> the debian image from mid-april will fall over if you push ethernet and/or usb remotely hard for example
[16:16] <_inc> possibly
[16:17] <_inc> it wasn't my problem, i was just researching for someone else
[16:17] <Draylor> yeah, i know when i had the problem it took 2.5 seconds to find links to it
[16:17] <_inc> has anyone built a homebrew computer?
[16:17] <Draylor> so i suspect it'll come up on sane search for usb problems :)
[16:18] <Draylor> +any ;)
[16:18] <three14> i built an abacus once. that counts.
[16:18] <_inc> :)
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[16:19] <Thorgrin> hello
[16:20] <frankivo> lo
[16:20] <Thorgrin> I just wanted to ask whether anyone can confirm that the debian for raspberry uses sw implementation of FPA
[16:20] <frankivo> i could if i knew what it was :P
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[16:20] <Veryevil> floating point arithmatic?
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> _inc what level of home built?
[16:21] <Thorgrin> yes, that's it
[16:21] <_inc> gordonDrogon: like old skool z80 style stuff
[16:21] <frankivo> how could I confirm? :P
[16:21] <Veryevil> The Rpi Foundations Debian image uses softFP the Raspbian image used HarfFP
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> _inc, I built this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> 35 years ago (ish)
[16:22] <Veryevil> http://www.raspbian.org/
[16:22] <_inc> gordonDrogon: what model is that?
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> That's a sinclair MK14.
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[16:22] <_inc> oooo
[16:23] <Veryevil> Friggle: Any news on the Offcial Raspbian Image?
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> I also built this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/6502front.jpg http://unicorn.drogon.net/6502back.jpg
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> that would have been some 28 year ago...
[16:23] <Thorgrin> Veryevil: can you give me some reference to read?
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[16:23] <Thorgrin> I'm kinda interested in that
[16:24] <Veryevil> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianFAQ
[16:24] <three14> oooh, dat INS8060.
[16:25] <Thorgrin> Veryevil: thank you
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> yes, the SC/MP ...
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> last one sold on ebay not working for ?750...
[16:25] <Veryevil> Thorgrin: got a project that would be improved with HardFP?
[16:25] <_inc> I want to build and 8bit with component/vga out and possibly ethernet
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> _inc, check this: https://sites.google.com/site/libby8dev/fignition
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> _inc, also google for ardugame
[16:27] <_inc> gordonDrogon: sweet, cheers
[16:27] <Thorgrin> Veryevil: no, I was wondering whether there is some preformance bost using hard fp
[16:27] <mikey_w> _inc, does a mainframe count?
[16:27] <three14> Thorgrin, it's slight, but adds up.
[16:28] <mikey_w> Or various bit-sliced toys.
[16:28] <zgreg> Veryevil: it's not just hardfp, raspbian also benefits quite a bit from the variousbit from various ISA improvements in ARMv6, as opposed to ARMv4 that armel uses
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> Thorgrin, good performance boost, but it all depends on the application.
[16:28] <stev> someone asked me "Is there a mobile/handheld screen suitable for raspberry pi?", do you have any idea?
[16:29] <andatche> zgreg: I thought debian armel was targeted at ARMv5? Could be wrong though :)
[16:29] <Veryevil> there is a very minimal boost all round becasue of the compiler options used but there should be a large improvement in any floating point code
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[16:30] <andatche> zgreg: sorry, you're correct ARMv4
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[16:32] <dexterity> I get no output via UART when my pi is connected to tv via hdmi, but when the hdmi cable is unplugged I get output via UART in minicom
[16:32] <dexterity> why is that?
[16:32] <dexterity> I get a kernel panic in minicom when no connected to tv
[16:32] <Thorgrin> ok guys, thanks for the information
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[16:34] <dexterity> actually I get the login prompt when connected to hdmi and UART, but I get a kernel panic w/o hdmi...
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[16:36] <zgreg> Veryevil: it's sometimes quite a nice boost, due to thumb
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[16:37] <friggle> Veryevil: I haven't claimed anything "official". Just something identical to the official armel :)
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[16:37] <friggle> Veryevil: looks like I should have time to start looking at that now, though I haven't done so yet
[16:38] <Veryevil> friggle: ok cool looking forward to it.
[16:39] <Veryevil> its a shame teh_orph has vanished. He was very close to the mythical hardware accelerated x
[16:42] <three14> mythical hardware accelerated X, like a lost city.
[16:42] <dunib> Mythical hardware accelerated X?
[16:42] <dunib> is that why X is so stupidly slow?
[16:42] <Veryevil> yeah not hardware driver
[16:43] <three14> according to legend
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[16:50] <gordonDrogon> yea, as far as I can tell, it ought to be possible to emulate a 2D acellerated famebuffer by using the GPU as a blitter engine.
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[16:52] <Matt> a blitter
[16:52] <Matt> jeez, that's a throwback
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> sure - but it's all that's needed for an acellerated 2D framebuffer.
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[16:53] <Veryevil> Teh_orph had a DMA kernel driver working that could achive 2Gbps or something like that
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[16:53] <reider59> << paid up member of the Arduino club now lol
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> and AIUI, the GPU can bash the video RAM much much faster than the ARM can, so it would make sense to do it that way.
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> reider59, hurrah! :)
[16:53] <reider59> thanks for all your help and advice Gordon
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[16:54] <Matt> gordonDrogon: aye, it makes perfect sense
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[16:55] <gordonDrogon> however it will need resources in broadcom to do it, I guess - and I've really no idea what they're doing regarding the Pi - I imagine the others who're using the same SoC have their own programmers, etc. (isn't there a commercial PVR type box using the same chip?)
[16:56] <friggle> roku2
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> unless if-course the functionality already exists in the binary driverd for it, and it just needs someone who can re-write the framebuffer driver for it....
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> hard to tell from my point of view...
[16:56] <friggle> gordonDrogon: roku won't be using X
[16:56] <reider59> I went in Maplins with ??25 for the Arduino, thought I`d splurge another ??5-6 on a few bits. ??43 later I was done, but not before I gave them my voucher for ??3 off lol
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> Ah, Roku - that's the PVR type box.
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> reider59, you get sucked in :)
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[16:58] <reider59> Arduino was same price as the net roughly. But they wanted nearly a fiver for 10 jumper wires so I bought the box for a tenner instead. Then got some more LEDs, resistors etc....
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[16:59] <reider59> Got myself a box to keep all my bits and pieces in as well as the jumper wires now
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[17:00] <reider59> So glad I already have a Multi Meter
[17:00] <three14> reider59, wait til you start impulse buying for it
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> I started to look for a new soldering iron earlier.
[17:01] <reider59> lol I can see that happening too, I scratched a couple of things off my list that were just top ups of what I had. Keep the price down for now.
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> I reckoned the 35 year old one I currently have could do with replacing.
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[17:03] <reider59> It's that long since I last used mine I had to brush up on it. I`ve been checking batteries, connections, resistors, even the dog lol
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[17:04] <three14> i have a hakko and a weller. the hakko was never unpacked from my move so i just used the Weller that was in a box i actually felt like unpacking. perhaps it's due to improved soldering skills since i last used it, but it really works well for the price. i'd suggest it as a beginner iron
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[17:04] <gordonDrogon> if I've had a soldering iron for 35 years, I'm hardly a beginner :)
[17:05] <reider59> I put a piece of paper in with each set of resistors to say what they are. It's one thing putting coloured rings on them, it's quite another trying to see them and discern the difference in the colours.
[17:05] <three14> gordonDrogon, oh no, not insinuating you're a beginner. ;) Just saying that lately I've had no problems using the cheap weller over the hakko.
[17:06] <three14> and that it might be a good choice for a beginner.
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> indeed!
[17:06] <ReggieUK> reider59, get a jewellers loupe!
[17:07] <ReggieUK> and print out the resistor colour code chart from le goog
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> Can't find pictures of my old one online. it was 2nd hand when I got it ... takes those magnetic tips...
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> there's a resistor colour code app for iphone & androids :)
[17:07] <andatche> resistor colouring is pretty simple to learn, it's seeing them that is indeed a pain
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[17:08] <three14> gordonDrogon, magnetic iron tips?? you'd think it'd be near the curie point
[17:08] <ReggieUK> there's a resistor colour code thing for linux
[17:08] <ReggieUK> and a led calculator
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[17:08] <gordonDrogon> three14, I think that was how they worked - really not sure.
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[17:09] <reider59> good idea Reggie but the trouble is I tried glasses on, glasses off, reading glasses on/off, magnifying glass of 3 sizes with and without glasses. I still struggle to see the colours on the resistors to match to a chart. so I figure now I tested each 3 times with the multimeter and especially after writing them down then I should be pretty safe.
[17:09] <Mr_Sheesh> reider59 - Friend of mine is rather colorblind. He has a heck of a time reading resistor color codes.
[17:09] <three14> reider59, i know how you feel. i have a hard time seeing yellows.
[17:10] <Mr_Sheesh> I find that most LED lights mess up MY color vision, too
[17:10] <reider59> It`s a struggle. I even have to wear reading glasses to solder lol
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[17:10] <reider59> I blame working in a large but dingy warehouse as well as age creeping on
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[17:11] <three14> a lady at work has to wear three pairs of glasses. each on it's own strap, each for a different use. she hates bi/trifocals. so you're not that bad off. :-)
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[17:12] <markllama> I'm nearly there.
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[17:13] <markllama> but I need 3 different scrips: Distance, arm length reading and close up.
[17:13] <three14> lol, sorry about my comment then, markllama
[17:13] <reider59> I got varifocals this time but the optician said my eyes had improved so he weakened the glasses. Now I hate wearing them and often refert to the old ones or go out with none on and everyone appears a little jaded and unclear. Unless that's how they really are ;-)
[17:13] <markllama> don't be :-)
[17:14] <markllama> I hated progressive lenses. THey're never *right*
[17:14] <reider59> *revert
[17:15] <three14> i only wear contacts now. but i get the odd feeling that the reason my prescription requires a higher strength each time i go back is because they keep giving me a higher strength to begin with.
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[17:16] <reider59> I think if he`d given me the same strength glasses as I had but varifocal then I`d have been happy. good job I got them free
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[17:16] <reider59> They still put a better quality lens in though thankfully
[17:16] <three14> it's like, i don't need 20/15 vision in my left eye. if the doctor had it his way i'd be able to resolve things down to 300 angstroms. 20/50 is the best i will ever have in my right eye due to a condition i suffered as a kid.
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[17:17] <gordonDrogon> when I hit 40, it was time for reading glasses..
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> I'm now on my 2nd set...
[17:17] <reider59> It was about then or just after I got them for the first time
[17:17] <three14> 9 more years for me. and if they're anything like the last 9yrs, it's just around the corner
[17:18] <reider59> I must have been about 46
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[17:18] <reider59> Had the 1st set about 5 years and these about 2 years.
[17:19] <reider59> "Had" lol still got them and use them
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[17:19] <markllama> I feel YOUNG!
[17:20] <reider59> The optician couldn`t believe how good the lenses and the frames were after all that time
[17:20] <reider59> << 53 on the 29th of this month, time is moving on lol
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[17:21] <passstab> does the new debian image include all the stuff on the other images?
[17:22] <passstab> e.g scratch
[17:22] <markllama> at 49, I meet an awful lot of great people who've never used a linker.
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[17:22] <markllama> though that's probably not the majority here.
[17:22] <reider59> I installed the Debian Wheezy beta before I went out. I`ll look at it in detail later. but I will need to install the Arduino program on it though, got it on my main machine just now.
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[17:23] <friggle> passstab: it includes scratch
[17:23] <passstab> :(
[17:24] <friggle> passstab: you want a stripped down, minimal starting point?
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> ah, another 49'er :)
[17:24] * passstab thinks there shouldn't be propitiatory software on it for no reason
[17:24] <friggle> passstab: scratch is not proprietary
[17:25] <passstab> it's not?
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[17:25] <friggle> passstab: nope, they recently released it under GPLv2 (though I think their previous license was FSF-free, just a little non-standard)
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> reider59, apt-get install arduino
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> reider59, that'll pull in everything you need
[17:25] <passstab> 2+ or 2 ?
[17:25] <reider59> friggle: Don`t know if any other feedback has suggested the same but the SSH install in the config menu made my RasPi stick twice. Rebooted and it was still installed though. I had to rush out so never got alook in any detail.
[17:26] <friggle> reider59: yeah, that's a known bug :) I'll update raspi-config this evening
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[17:26] <reider59> Nice one, thanks, going to swap it from the solid case to the breadboard one then do it
[17:26] <friggle> reider59: ssh is enabled by default, the raspi-config menu option just lets you turn it off (or back on again).
[17:26] <reider59> okies, just thought I`d mention it in passing. It`s a beta so I expected one or two niggles
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[17:27] <friggle> reider59: thanks for giving it a try :) glad I could deliver the expected niggles ;)
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[17:28] <reider59> niggles with friggles ;-) :-) Just glad it`s ready to play with
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[17:28] <traeak> just hit 40 here, no reading glasses (yet)
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[17:30] <reider59> I wondered why the top level of the racking looked darker in our warehouse. What a difference it made with glasses. I swore then apologised, thought someone had put binoculars on me. It felt great leaving the opticians and looking at a whole new world. you don`t always realise you need glasses.
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[17:32] <reider59> I sat in a cafe or on the bus/train for ages taking glasses off and looking at signs, back on to look again, like a madman but comparing the view and difference
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[17:32] <mustek> Hi
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[18:02] <SpeedEvil> Is there any sane reason for pibot?
[18:02] <IT_Sean> Yes
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[18:05] <drazyltoo> he is my friend
[18:05] <drazyltoo> he can be your friend too
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[18:06] <sjc> PiBot is your very best friend! less treacherous than the weighted companion cube!
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[18:06] <IT_Sean> lol
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[18:07] <sjc> :(
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[18:13] <ReggieUK> it's a lack of light that seems to cause issues as you get older and eventually everyone needs a set of readers
[18:14] <ReggieUK> tip - get some +3s, great for circuit boards :)
[18:16] <three14> someday i'll get this wifi dongle working. was interrupted once again. this time by the dog. she wanted to go for a ride.
[18:17] <three14> Wanna go for a car ride?! Huh? Wanna go for a car ride?! *jungles keys*
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[18:18] <three14> i can also say that the pi will survive a good lick by a dog. just make sure it'd ry before powering on.
[18:18] <three14> dry*
[18:19] <IT_Sean> You let your dog lick it?
[18:19] <IT_Sean> why??
[18:19] <reider59> it likes raspberries
[18:19] <three14> i was sitting beside her and looking for a cable. had the pi in hand. she decided it needed licked.
[18:20] <three14> this was about a week ago, so i am pretty sure it still works fine
[18:20] <traeak> so it passes the dog test
[18:20] <three14> cat. check. dog. check.
[18:20] <SpeedEvil> In general.
[18:20] <three14> next up: honey badger
[18:21] <SpeedEvil> If any sort of animal emission gets on electronics, wash in hot soapy water, and then dry thouroughly, in an oven at 80C for a day.
[18:21] <SpeedEvil> And then do the same with the electronics.
[18:22] <three14> lol
[18:22] <reider59> take the animal off it first?
[18:22] <three14> i don't think my dog would fit in the oven. and she just had a bath this morning because she thinks it's awesome to roll in some sort of random funk.
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[18:25] <three14> the 900MHz Pi in the Pi Box is appreciably warmer
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[18:29] <Hybridsix> has anyone used the i2c communication yet?
[18:30] <Milos|Netbook> Nobody. Nobody in the whole world.
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[18:31] <IT_Sean> Milos|Netbook. ... ... :/
[18:32] <IT_Sean> 'less you can back that statement up...
[18:32] <Trieste> Hi, I have copied the debian image onto an sd card, booted, but now I only get a flash of the console for a fraction of a second, otherwise it's blacked out, any ideas what might cause that?
[18:33] <Milos|Netbook> Hybridsix, if you have a question about I2C, ask it more specifically, you'll have a better chance of getting an answer taylored to your query.
[18:33] <Milos|Netbook> IT_Sean, ...... ........... !
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[18:33] <IT_Sean> Trieste: what is the rating on your PSU?
[18:36] * three14 is watching Star Trek: TNG, "The Inner Light"
[18:36] <Trieste> IT_Sean: It's an USB charger, and it says 5V/500mA
[18:36] <IT_Sean> you need a batter one
[18:36] <IT_Sean> minimum is 700mA
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[18:37] <Trieste> damn, thanks, I'll see if I can get a better one
[18:37] <Trieste> how about 5V/1A?
[18:37] <traeak> and.....forgot my multimeter again (hehe)
[18:37] <Milos|Netbook> Trieste, that's fine.
[18:37] <IT_Sean> Tha'd work
[18:38] <Milos|Netbook> Providing that's the actual issue.
[18:38] <Trieste> cool, I was afraid it might blow the pi :)
[18:38] <Milos|Netbook> Current is drawn.
[18:38] <Milos|Netbook> It will draw as much as it needs.
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[18:39] <Milos|Netbook> Your PSU can theoretically be 5V/50A, it wouldn't make a difference, as long as it's above the minimum requirement.
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[18:40] <IT_Sean> Yeah, you cannot "blow" something by using a PSU with 'too high' a current rating
[18:40] <friggle> Milos|Netbook: though on of the distributors I believe included a leaflet stating a "maximum" mA for the pi...
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[18:41] <Milos|Netbook> It wouldn't have talked abotu the PSU.
[18:41] <Milos|Netbook> s/abotu/about/
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[18:42] <Milos|Netbook> It might've said the Pi can't draw more than a certain amount; nothing to do with the power supply.
[18:42] <Davespice> hey all o/
[18:42] <Davespice> how's everyone getting on with the new Wheezy beta image?
[18:42] <friggle> Milos|Netbook: I'm well aware that advice is wrong. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=94535#p94535
[18:42] <three14> the PSU thing needs to be officially addressed by the foundation. I can confirm what friggle says about the leaflet.
[18:43] <friggle> three14: it's being addressed, it will be corrected
[18:43] <traeak> the power supply and the polyfuses are bad news
[18:43] <three14> From Element14: "This product shall only be connected to an external power supply rated at 5V dc, and a maximum current of 500mA."
[18:43] <Milos|Netbook> Fail.
[18:43] <three14> ^ my leaflet
[18:43] <traeak> they should probably up the price and ship with a 5V barrel PS
[18:44] <three14> traeak, i would kill for a barrel jack too. haha
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[18:44] <traeak> pi version 1.1 or something
[18:45] <traeak> the usb peripheral instability is pretty unacceptable, especially for school deployment
[18:45] <traeak> this thing needs to be bullet (idiot) proof
[18:45] <traeak> idiot proof: describes typical teacher pretty well
[18:45] <Milos|Netbook> The USB is no good at the moment.
[18:45] <traeak> heh
[18:45] <Milos|Netbook> 8k interrupts per second idle, and very unstable.
[18:45] <Milos|Netbook> I'm not complaining, just saying.
[18:46] <three14> It's fine for hackers/devs. But not schools.
[18:46] <Milos|Netbook> I get lots of these "[ 9358.124284] hub 1-1:1.0: port 3 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling..."
[18:46] <Milos|Netbook> And my USB devices disconnect and re-connect.
[18:46] <Milos|Netbook> It's hard to believe they are being disconnected by "EMI" -> electromagnetic interference.
[18:47] <traeak> probably power related
[18:47] <traeak> the pull by your usb devices
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[18:48] <traeak> the sad part is that PC usb ports are very robust and have allowed peripheral manufacturers to be very sloppy
[18:48] <traeak> so the rpi has tighter usb tolerances based on "the spec" which is pretty much useless
[18:49] <Milos|Netbook> I won't say it's not power-related, but I will say it's unlikely. I mean, I am using a dedicated power supply, 16Ah battery, that can supply 2A.
[18:49] <trevorman> Milos|Netbook: its EMI? with a question mark. it doesn't actually mean it
[18:49] <Milos|Netbook> trevorman, then what is it?
[18:49] <trevorman> its more "something made it disable that port but *shrug*"
[18:49] <Milos|Netbook> What on earth disables USB ports.
[18:49] <trevorman> overcurrent?
[18:49] <Milos|Netbook> :|
[18:49] <trevorman> the hub being crap?
[18:49] <trevorman> the device being glitchy?
[18:50] <trevorman> many many reasons
[18:50] <trevorman> interference?
[18:50] <Milos|Netbook> Exactly, many many reasons.
[18:50] <Milos|Netbook> That I've never encountered with any other device.
[18:50] <trevorman> I see it occasionally
[18:50] <Milos|Netbook> I've never seen it, on a non-rpi device.
[18:50] <trevorman> my APC UPS does that randomly every few weeks
[18:50] <trevorman> a USB GPS dongle I've got does it regularly
[18:50] <Milos|Netbook> And, what do you think?
[18:51] <Milos|Netbook> *shrug*?
[18:51] <trevorman> about what?
[18:51] <trevorman> you're asking for a definitive reason when there isn't one :P
[18:51] <trevorman> its EMI? as a "it might be interference but we don't know"
[18:51] <Milos|Netbook> Nope, I'm saying what do you think about the issue, does it bother you.
[18:51] <trevorman> not particularly. it doesn't happen on my RPi :P
[18:51] <trevorman> the other two devices that do it will reconnect after a second or two so it doesn't bother me
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[18:51] <traeak> Milos|Netbook: theoretically. I have a hub with 2.5A supply and the rpi goes haywire if i load it up
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[18:52] <Milos|Netbook> trevorman, well for a RC helicopter with a 3G link, it's pretty annoying for me to have the connection terminated.
[18:52] <traeak> Milos|Netbook: there's some forum threads about the USB instability
[18:52] <trevorman> the rpi is known to have power issues for USB so it is most likely that the device tried to draw more than what the polyfuses would allow it
[18:52] <Milos|Netbook> It's using a dedicated power supply, I already said.
[18:52] <traeak> there's some 140mA poly fuses which they think provide too much resistance at normal current draw which can cause a substantial voltage drop
[18:53] <Milos|Netbook> It happens to any device.
[18:53] <Milos|Netbook> Keyboard, not keyboard, dongle, etc.
[18:53] <traeak> one quick fix is to bridge the two 140mA poly fuses to make an effective 280mA poly fuse
[18:53] <Milos|Netbook> It's not related to that, though.
[18:53] <traeak> drops the resistance
[18:53] <Milos|Netbook> I have a dedicated power supply, I think I've said that 3 times now!
[18:53] <trevorman> you could have a 100A 5V supply if you wanted. the RPi will only ever use ~700mA
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[18:54] <trevorman> thats including whatever its supplying to the USB ports
[18:54] <Milos|Netbook> The RPI does not know anything about power use.
[18:54] <traeak> Milos|Netbook: so what? i have a dedicated power supply as well...i have instability problems
[18:54] <trevorman> a dedicated supply to what? the USB device only?
[18:54] <Milos|Netbook> Okay, so I'll tape the 5V connector on the USB port, then what you say will be invalid.
[18:54] <Milos|Netbook> YES
[18:54] <traeak> Milos|Netbook: as i mentioned above: the problem is that the PC usb ports are very tolerant and handle stuff way outside the spec allowing the peripheral manufacturers to be very sloppy
[18:54] <trevorman> USB is flakey on the RPi :P
[18:54] <Milos|Netbook> Indeed.
[18:54] <trevorman> it still doesn't mean its EMI :P
[18:55] <Milos|Netbook> I never said it was, I'm saying I'm finding it hard to believe it is.
[18:55] <trevorman> thats just a generic message saying it may be interference
[18:55] <trevorman> wouldn't be surprised if the DWG core is buggy
[18:55] <Milos|Netbook> I think it is, somewhat.
[18:55] <Milos|Netbook> Someone reported a 20% increase in overall performance by disabling USB in the kernel.
[18:56] <traeak> USB is pretty cpu heavy
[18:56] <trevorman> you're going through the SMC chip as well so whatever you're doing will be affected by that
[18:56] <Milos|Netbook> I haven't tested, but it sounds about right really.
[18:56] <Milos|Netbook> traeak, especially with 8k interrupts per second.
[18:56] <three14> wouldn't that also knock out ethernet?
[18:56] <traeak> firewire was far and away more superior in lots of ways when it came out
[18:56] <Milos|Netbook> When I run a GPS daemon, I get FORTY THOUSAND interrupts per second.
[18:56] <traeak> because firewire, etc have more logic in the chipsets
[18:56] <Milos|Netbook> (The dongle is USB)
[18:56] <trevorman> traeak: and thats what killed it. too expensive :|
[18:56] <Milos|Netbook> three14, ethernet always works.
[18:57] <trevorman> smaller market and more expensive chips because of that + the extra features needed
[18:57] <Milos|Netbook> I've had no issues with ethernet.
[18:57] <three14> isn't the ethernet a usb device?
[18:57] <traeak> trevorman: that and desktop x86 cpus that like to draw lots and lots of power are fast enough to make it not noticeable
[18:57] <trevorman> traeak: yup. throw more CPU and RAM at it
[18:57] <traeak> we're basically in the painful part of new platforms requiring a scaling back
[18:57] <Milos|Netbook> About the USB taping - does anyone think it might help? I think it might but I don't have the appropriate tools to try it.
[18:57] <trevorman> taping?
[18:57] <traeak> usb taping?
[18:57] <Milos|Netbook> I.e. taping the 5V connector on the USB port.
[18:57] <Milos|Netbook> Because it has its own power supply.
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[18:58] <Milos|Netbook> The Pi continues to work when I unplug the power, because it's being supplied via the USB socket.
[18:58] <trevorman> you just said its got its own power supply so there isn't any point in bypassing the polyfuses
[18:58] <traeak> you mean bypassing the polyfuses and driving the USB directly
[18:58] <Milos|Netbook> Yes, but I haven't taped it.
[18:58] <trevorman> oh right thats what you mean
[18:58] <Milos|Netbook> Yeah.
[18:58] <trevorman> it shouldn't affect it
[18:58] <traeak> there's a possibility the device is still pulling from the USB port even though it is self powered
[18:58] <trevorman> just don't run it without the main power input
[18:58] <trevorman> not unless your other PSU is wildly off 5V
[18:58] <Milos|Netbook> Of course.
[18:59] <_Lucretia_> anyone using the u-boot project here? can it only be controlled via serial?
[18:59] <trevorman> it sounds like your problem is with the SMC chip anyway if your ethernet is still working okay
[18:59] <three14> the Pi doesn't have on-chip ethernet, i am pretty certain it's a usb device. so if you disabled usb in the kernel, you'd lose ethernet capability, no?
[18:59] <traeak> elinux.org has a huge list of things like USB hubs that aren't compatible with the RPI
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[18:59] <traeak> i have one...works just fine on my desktop (the hub)
[18:59] <trevorman> the port on the hub is glitching for some reason. if it was the DWG controller then you'd knock out ethernet at the same time.
[18:59] <Milos|Netbook> Found it: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=7581&p=96474
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> why is usb generating 8K ints/sec ? does anyone know?
[18:59] <Milos|Netbook> This is what I meant
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[18:59] <Milos|Netbook> gordonDrogon, polls every 1ms, 8 times (8 microframes). Something like that.
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[19:00] <trevorman> USB is expensive for CPU
[19:00] <trevorman> it always has been
[19:00] <traeak> trevorman: yup, classic symptoms. Funny I bet the model 'a' will be more stable, probably depends on what poly fuses they use
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> so no proper interrupt to control the USB?
[19:00] <Milos|Netbook> USB doesn't do that on any other machine I've used trevorman.
[19:00] <trevorman> in unrelated matters, modmypi have the molding tool ready
[19:00] <trevorman> traeak: if the schematic is to be believed then its the same
[19:01] <traeak> the answer for your usb woes is to directly drive the USB +5V with an external power supply
[19:01] <traeak> i dunno which pins you poewr on the pi though
[19:01] <Milos|Netbook> Therefore, taping the pin.
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> mt desktops USB does not interrupt at all. (unless I use it)
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[19:02] <three14> tapping*, i think you mean. i thought you were talking about plunking down some scotch tape on it.
[19:02] <traeak> gordonDrogon: that's because the motherboard manufacturers don't follow the USB spec, they went for way wider tolerances and the peripheral manufacturers got sloppy
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[19:03] <DaQatz> !weather_set f
[19:03] <PiBot> DaQatz: You're now using fahrenheit.
[19:03] <DaQatz> !w
[19:03] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Tue Jun 19 20:51:00 2012. Temp 68??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 73%, Later 81??F - 63??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[19:03] <trevorman> *shrug* USB involves polling
[19:03] <Milos|Netbook> three14, yep PVC tape.
[19:03] <_Lucretia_> gonzo-: ah you're the u-boot guy?
[19:03] <trevorman> its just how they designed it
[19:03] <traeak> for example: i have a machine where the usb3.0 port plain failed. another machine with usb3.0 i plug in a usb3.0 drive and the drive keeps on resetting. Who's fault is it? usb3.0 port or peripheral? answer: next PC chipset release will up the tolerances on their USB3.0 ports
[19:03] <Milos|Netbook> I don't like farenheit. Can I have celcius back?
[19:03] <Milos|Netbook> :P
[19:03] <traeak> and poof, the usb3.0 spec is useless
[19:04] <traeak> there's the USB3.0 "spec" and then there's the practical usb3.0 implementations
[19:04] <trevorman> traeak: from what I understand, Milos|Netbook wants to insulate the 5V pin on his socket/plug so no power will flow either way.
[19:04] <Milos|Netbook> Tada!
[19:04] <trevorman> literally taping it
[19:04] <Milos|Netbook> :)
[19:05] <Milos|Netbook> That isolates the issue from power completely.
[19:05] <traeak> trevorman: he can try, i suspect the power must be available regardless
[19:05] <Milos|Netbook> No.
[19:05] <Iota> http://blog.modmypi.com/2012/06/injection-moulding-tool-is-ready.html
[19:05] <Iota> Just got a new email from Mr. ModMyPi.
[19:05] <trevorman> Iota: ditto
[19:05] <traeak> Milos|Netbook: so you've done that before right?
[19:05] <Milos|Netbook> Nope, but other people have.
[19:05] <Milos|Netbook> I linked you.
[19:05] <Milos|Netbook> <Milos|Netbook> Found it: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=7581&p=96474
[19:05] <Iota> Still doubting it'll arrive at my old address before the end of the month.
[19:06] <traeak> okay, so on the pi they've been able to sever the +5V and still have the downstream hub work
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> well I'm sort of gob-smacked that USB needs to be polled to work and that after years and years of things using interrupts & DMA like IDE deives, SCSI, SATA, Ethernet, etc. they went back to the stone age with a polled high-speed serial device. Might have well used rs422. Who invented that then? Microsoft?
[19:06] <trevorman> Iota: same. its already pushed back a week by the looks of that email
[19:06] <Milos|Netbook> three14, the error messages are unrelated, but either way it would isolate the issue from power.
[19:06] <Iota> Yeah. :(
[19:06] <traeak> those error messages look familiar
[19:07] <mythos> hmm... ethernet gbit usb adapter does not work =/
[19:07] <traeak> for now I can ONLY power my rpi from my z530 netbook usb port and ONLY plug in a usb key and mouse
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[19:07] <mythos> *my
[19:07] <traeak> otherwise my rpi destabilizes...oh yeah, works from a PC as well but i dont' have one close by
[19:07] <Remowylliams> Hello everyone.
[19:07] <Milos|Netbook> Works fine on my netbook but I haven't tried plugging in things other than a keyboard or mouse.
[19:08] <Milos|Netbook> In fact it wasn't designed to run things other than a keyboard or mouse anyway.
[19:08] <traeak> using my powered USB hub as a dedicated power supply for myrpi after i start 'x' i start losing my ethernet
[19:08] <traeak> same thing using my asus rt-16n router's usb port
[19:08] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: yup. the host will go HEY? ANYBODY GOT ANY DATA??? repeatedly. devices aren't able to interrupt the host.
[19:08] <traeak> Milos|Netbook: i bought the powered USB hub so i could use it to power the rpi peripherals
[19:08] <three14> traeak, cut the 5v line on the cable connecting the powered hub to the pi
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[19:09] <three14> tell me if that helps keep the ethernet
[19:09] <Milos|Netbook> trevorman, my netbook, PC, server, <insert any device ever used> doesn't do that kind of polling.
[19:09] <traeak> three14: that would be okay except the damn hub by itself doesn't seem to be able to power the rpi properly
[19:09] <Milos|Netbook> My server uses 8k interrupts when compiling a linux kernel with 9 parallel jobs. The rpi does 8k interrupts idle.
[19:09] <Milos|Netbook> My server has 10 interrupts idle.
[19:10] <traeak> three14: so i have 2 problems: back end powered hub, solvable by what you mentioned, cutting the power
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[19:10] <traeak> and then trying to find a 5V independent power supply
[19:10] <Milos|Netbook> Streaming from a 1920x1080 HD webcam on my server, I get 250 interrupts stable.
[19:10] <Milos|Netbook> That's via USB.
[19:10] <three14> traeak, don't power the Pi with the hub, power the pi with a typical adapter, and power the hub with it's own.
[19:10] <traeak> which i seem to have lost my n900's power supply
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[19:10] <traeak> three14: and also cut the 5V because this damn hub also seems to back destabilize the rpi
[19:11] <Milos|Netbook> gordonDrogon, I'm with you on that one. Hope it can be fixed.
[19:11] <traeak> three14: it's pretty sad, i bought this hub on sale originally hoping to power the rpi and its peripherals with it...epic fail :(
[19:11] <three14> that's why i cut my 5v line connecting the pi to my hub. the hub was supplying power to the pi through usb. not much, but enough to make me worry
[19:12] <traeak> and i'm guessing that when the X serveris upgraded to use the gpu more people will start having power problems
[19:13] <trevorman> Milos|Netbook: they used an IP core that does more interrupts. I've seen the same thing on other embedded devices. reducing the size of the core and power consumption are going to be important criteria for the normal application of this specific SoC.
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[19:14] <Milos|Netbook> IP core?
[19:14] <Milos|Netbook> Interrupt poll something?
[19:14] <traeak> how can i check how many usb interrupts are firing?
[19:14] <Milos|Netbook> vmstat 1
[19:14] <Milos|Netbook> 1 indicates update every second.
[19:14] <trevorman> intellectual property core
[19:14] <Milos|Netbook> If you want mode details, cat /proc/interrupts
[19:15] <Milos|Netbook> It will show you what is interrupting.
[19:15] <trevorman> its a design that bought in from synopsys and integrated into the soc
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[19:15] <traeak> which column would have the usb interrupts?
[19:15] <trevorman> broadcom didn't design it
[19:15] <Milos|Netbook> The 'in' one.
[19:15] <traeak> oh yeah /proc/interrupts does show a crazy high number for the usb port
[19:16] <larsemil> are there any bluetooth dongles that are working?
[19:16] <Milos|Netbook> Run it again and it got even bigger, traeak.
[19:16] <traeak> Milos|Netbook: can they screw with the driver code atall to try to limit this?
[19:16] <Milos|Netbook> I sure hope so.
[19:16] <trevorman> you'd affect performance if you did
[19:17] <Milos|Netbook> One of the kernel devs was skewing towrds 'not really'.
[19:17] <trevorman> bad things will happen if the fifo overflows as well
[19:17] <Milos|Netbook> Yes, improving it.
[19:17] <Milos|Netbook> Depending on your PoV.
[19:17] <trevorman> you'd adversely affect USB performance :P
[19:17] <traeak> looking at my mele the number of interrupts is dramatically fewer
[19:18] <trevorman> well you just complained about it potentially disabling your 3G modem for a couple seconds. I don't think you'd appreciate it randomly dropping data :
[19:18] <trevorman> :P
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[19:18] <Milos|Netbook> vmstat 1 should show 8k minimum for 'in'
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[19:18] <Milos|Netbook> trevorman, yeah I know, but the performance on the rest of the device would increase.
[19:19] <ReggieUK> trevorman. you're assuming that performance isn't already adversely affected
[19:19] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: the rumors are true :P
[19:19] <ReggieUK> usb polling takes 20% cpu just idling
[19:19] <Milos|Netbook> Ha, I knew it.
[19:19] <ReggieUK> 8000/s apparently
[19:20] <Milos|Netbook> <Milos|Netbook> Someone reported a 20% increase in overall performance by disabling USB in the kernel.
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[19:20] <ReggieUK> yup, it's on the forums
[19:20] <trevorman> ReggieUK: yeah but you'd certainly affect USB throughput in a bad way if you altered the polling rate
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[19:20] <trevorman> the fifo in the DWG controller isn't very big
[19:20] <Milos|Netbook> trevorman, and you're saying it's not fixable at all?
[19:20] <ReggieUK> at the moment the usb is just too weird to judge completely
[19:21] <Milos|Netbook> Yeah...
[19:21] <trevorman> Milos|Netbook: you do like putting words into peoples mouths don't you?
[19:21] <Milos|Netbook> Not sure what you mean by that, I'm asking a question.
[19:21] <Milos|Netbook> Do you have an answer?
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[19:21] <megaproxy> time4home
[19:21] <trevorman> for all USB controllers I've had the misfortune to have to program, altering the polling has always affected performance badly
[19:22] <trevorman> if you overflow the FIFO then thats even worse
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[19:22] <traeak> wierd, 7 days uptime with the mele, the usb port shows a total of 310 interrupts
[19:22] <Milos|Netbook> I'll just wait until development continues.
[19:22] <traeak> the rpi of course is in the billions
[19:22] <trevorman> whether the USB controller driver can be improved or not for the RPi is another matter. my best guess is that no, it won't significantly get better.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> sorry afk for a bit traeak another way is watch -n1 cat /proc/interrupts
[19:22] <Milos|Netbook> That was what I was asking about, thanks.
[19:23] <traeak> rpi == appliance
[19:23] <trevorman> traeak: its probably doing MMIO
[19:23] <Milos|Netbook> gordonDrogon, ah cool, I heard about watch not 2 days ago.
[19:23] <three14> if disabling ub in the kernel could squeeze performance out of the pi, i wouldn't be against it, but i can't lose ethernet.
[19:23] <three14> usb*
[19:24] <traeak> trevorman: you mean the mele? probably. the a10 soc looks to be pretty awesome. the sata throughput is only ~5% less than a core i7 mobo
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> Milos|Netbook, watch is handy for all sorts of things - I use it to check progrss of files & drives getting bigger during data xfers, etc.
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[19:24] <Milos|Netbook> Yeah I used it for dding the current image off rpi.
[19:24] <Milos|Netbook> :D
[19:25] <Milos|Netbook> In case it craps itself.
[19:25] <Hybridsix> http://dumpon.us/301/
[19:25] <trevorman> three14: can't have one without the other unfortunately. doesn't look like its possible for the SMC chip to signal the RPi that it should start up the USB controller either.
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[19:25] <DaQatz> 75: 654606822 ARMCTRL dwc_otg, dwc_otg_pcd, dwc_otg_hcd:usb1
[19:25] <DaQatz> Enough interrupts?
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[19:26] <Milos|Netbook> NEED MORE INTERRUPTS
[19:26] <three14> trevorman, as i suspected then. usb will have to remain active.
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[19:26] <Milos|Netbook> I'll do a test of my own to see if I can match the performance stated in the forums, as I am keen to find out.
[19:27] <Milos|Netbook> But that will be later today.
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[19:27] <gonzo-> _Lucretia_: yes
[19:27] <Milos|Netbook> Hybridsix, that's an awesome case :)
[19:28] <bootc> evening all - I've had a few reports now of omxplayer not working with my kernel, anyone else here using my kernel and having issues?
[19:28] <_Lucretia_> gonzo-: thanks
[19:28] <gonzo-> _Lucretia_: no problem :)
[19:28] <trevorman> three14: hmm. looking more closely at the docs for the ethernet USB chip, it might be doable to make it go into suspend and signal when link state changes
[19:29] <_Lucretia_> gonzo-: i can't useit atm
[19:29] <Milos|Netbook> bootc, I'm using your kernel but without X, so I can't help there. Good luck though.
[19:29] <trevorman> you'd need to wire one of the soc GPIOs to the ethernet chip GPIOs though
[19:29] <Hybridsix> thanks Milos|Netbook... its a slightly modified adafruit case. we cut it on our laser at the lab.
[19:29] <traeak> if the ethernet isn't hooked up does the number of interrupts go down ?
[19:29] <bootc> Milos|Netbook: yeah I use it without X too... :-/
[19:29] <Milos|Netbook> bootc, LOL nice.
[19:29] <trevorman> seems a bit of a hack though and you'd need to mess around with the kernel to let you disable the USB controller
[19:29] <Milos|Netbook> Hybridsix, excellent! :)
[19:29] <friggle> Hybridsix: does it rattle?
[19:29] <Hybridsix> not at all
[19:29] <Hybridsix> seems solid
[19:30] <Hybridsix> I was plesantly suprised, actually friggle
[19:30] <friggle> Hybridsix: did you specifically modify it to make it less 'rattly'? what thickness acrylic are you using?
[19:30] <Hybridsix> this is 0.118 translucent cast acrylic from mcmaster carr
[19:31] * three14 makes a note of Hybridsix's acrylic thickness.
[19:31] <Hybridsix> I can provide a part
[19:31] <Hybridsix> number
[19:31] <three14> that'd be fantastic
[19:31] <gonzo-> _Lucretia_: the test build doesn't work for you?
[19:32] <_Lucretia_> gonzo-: I have no serial
[19:32] <friggle> which I think is the same as adafruit. we put together an official one and it seemed a little loose for my taste
[19:32] <gonzo-> Oh, I see
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> 0.118??? Goodness Why not just say 3mm?
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[19:32] <friggle> gordonDrogon: because America that's why
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> it's still 3mm!! Not 0.118 imperial inches. It's 3mm.
[19:33] <three14> American here. I am fine with either.
[19:33] <gonzo-> _Lucretia_: You can build u-boot with predefined startup script. This way it will always go for netboot. I'll experiment with it
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> you won't be if you stack them up - 3mm is 0.11811, so more than 0.118 so if you use 0.118 to calculate height in a stack, you get it wrong.
[19:34] <_Lucretia_> gonzo-: that's what i'm hoping for, i have a number of arm-*-elf or similar compilers, but not one that will build u-boot
[19:34] <three14> but i must say, first thing i did was get google to tell me what 0.118" was in mm. :]
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> tiny errors like that accucmulate over time.
[19:34] <_Lucretia_> gonzo-: I take it the kernel.img is the u-boot file? You can change the filename in config.txt
[19:34] <three14> they do. it becomes a huge problem with lumber as well.
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[19:35] <three14> 3/4" plywood? yea, try finding that.
[19:35] <Hybridsix> three14: www.mcmaster.com 85635K462 or 85635K463 or 85635K464 or 85635K465
[19:35] <three14> thank you, Hybridsix
[19:35] <Hybridsix> those are for the clear / flourescent acrylic
[19:35] <Hybridsix> you can get regular clear, as well.
[19:35] <Hybridsix> but, those are the part numbers we ordered for our lab.
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[19:38] <traeak> hmm
[19:38] <traeak> find a usb extension cable and hack the 5V line off of that
[19:39] <gonzo-> _Lucretia_: thanks for the hint. I'll work on improving it this week
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[19:45] <_Lucretia_> gonzo-: no problems, give us a shout when you want to test it
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[19:48] <Trieste> um, I know I might be a little annoying now, but I downloaded the debian image, found it worked, so I loaded up the archlinux image, and I get no graphic output at all, even though the LEDs do indicate some activity
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[19:51] <traeak> Trieste: for the arch image
[19:51] <traeak> you need to hook up to ethernet
[19:51] <traeak> Trieste: log in and run updates
[19:51] <traeak> Trieste: after you run updates and also screw with the video mode if necessary you should get output
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[19:51] <traeak> Trieste: but i didn't get any image off the downloade arch image
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[19:53] <Hybridsix> three14: the case is on thingiverse, but my friend kept resizing it based upon actual dimensions after cut to get it all perfect.
[19:53] <Hybridsix> so, the thingaverse case is close. but this one is tweaked.
[19:54] <three14> Hybridsix, i have the files, i too heard that the sizes need to be tweaked.
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[19:54] <Hybridsix> what laser are you using?
[19:54] <Hybridsix> I could see if I can get you what we modified.
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[19:54] <three14> i don't have a laser personally, i have to have a friend do it.
[19:54] <Hybridsix> ah okay
[19:54] <friggle> Hybridsix: I'd be interested too. I love the design, just don't like the looseness (we have a cutter at the lab)
[19:55] <Hybridsix> lemme see if I can get the guy who did most of the work in here... holdon
[19:56] <Hybridsix> the pi rattles very slightly in the case, with nothing plugged in
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[19:56] <Hybridsix> very slightly.
[19:56] <Hybridsix> hey f00bard... good to see you on this side.
[19:56] <friggle> with the case with stock dimensions, I found the case itself rattled
[19:56] <Hybridsix> i'm hoping waterbury joins so he can tell friggle and three14 what he did
[19:56] <Hybridsix> oh, nah, my case is snug. almost too snug. :)
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[19:57] <Hybridsix> so, must mean its right.
[19:57] <friggle> indeed. I can understand they need to sell with reasonable tolerances (and I don't know how much variation there is in board sizing), but a snug fit would make it so much nicer
[19:57] <friggle> I love that the design requires nothing other than some laser cut acrylic
[19:58] * plugwash thinks the whole "click together" approach sounds rather fragile
[19:58] <three14> a wooden version would be nice. not sure how the teeth would fare with bending to lock it together.
[19:58] <Hybridsix> its been on, all day in this little case for me... I can feel it warm on thhe bottom, but seems okay.
[19:58] <tetsu> this is waterbury's case http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:24666
[19:58] <friggle> plugwash: that's a concern I had too. Certainly, it has some thin bits of plastic that would be weak points were you to drop it
[19:58] <Hybridsix> plugwash: its pretty darn sturdy.
[19:58] <tetsu> he cut me one too, it works well
[19:58] <three14> Hybridsix, same here. very warm on the bottom, slightly on the top
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[19:59] <Trieste> traeak: oh, and how do I do that without graphic output? over ssh?
[19:59] <Hybridsix> hey tetsu didnt know you were in here too. :)
[19:59] <Hybridsix> guys... thats the case btw. the one that tetsu posted. he's part of our lab too.
[19:59] <tetsu> plugwash: I think you need to be careful about where you put the flexing holes, make sure it has enough space to stretch without cracking. their holes were pretty long
[19:59] <three14> Hybridsix, i love that his version has holes
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[20:00] * plugwash would really like something similar to the yoctopuce case but with a window for access to the GPIO header
[20:00] <tetsu> three14: yeah dude, my rasppi was getting hot
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[20:00] <friggle> *major* props to Adafruit for putting their design on thingiverse with a cc license
[20:00] <waterbury> what
[20:00] <tetsu> WATERBURY
[20:00] * f00bard goes back to playing with his Beaglebone
[20:00] <waterbury> was someone asking for sized SVG?
[20:00] <Hybridsix> waterbury!
[20:00] <Hybridsix> guys, this is the guy
[20:00] <Hybridsix> the famous waterbury
[20:00] <three14> nice case modification, waterbury *thumbs up*
[20:01] <waterbury> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:24666
[20:01] <waterbury> ^
[20:01] <Hybridsix> i posted a pic of my case. :)
[20:01] <Hybridsix> http://dumpon.us/301/
[20:01] <waterbury> adafruit did all the work
[20:01] <waterbury> I just modified it slightly
[20:01] <waterbury> and resized
[20:01] <three14> yes, but you added holes.
[20:01] <tetsu> plugwash: this case http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170862883522 ? this is worth money?
[20:01] <waterbury> dont congrat me too much ;)
[20:01] <waterbury> want to update it more tonight
[20:01] <friggle> waterbury: very nice. someone recently got an official adafruit one and found it was somewhat rattly. Sounds like you've gone for a tighter fit
[20:02] <waterbury> also want holes for mounting perfboards
[20:02] <friggle> waterbury: what's the plan?
[20:02] <friggle> I see
[20:02] <waterbury> hmm really?
[20:02] <waterbury> thought adafruits would have been more tight
[20:02] <waterbury> I kept measuring
[20:02] <tetsu> oh, yeah, mine rattles
[20:02] <Hybridsix> waterbury: you deleted the "V" on composite video too. :)
[20:02] <waterbury> thought mine was too loose
[20:02] <waterbury> D'OH
[20:02] <waterbury> haha
[20:02] <plugwash> tetsu, yeah I have that case and generally I like it, I just wish it had a window for better GPIO access
[20:03] <waterbury> I'm going to play with it more
[20:03] <friggle> waterbury: yeah, the way the case itself fits together seems a bit too loose for my liking
[20:03] <waterbury> may add a DB9 port
[20:03] <waterbury> adafruits one, or my cut?
[20:03] <waterbury> I hate that they have no mounting holes
[20:03] <waterbury> truly do
[20:03] <friggle> waterbury: adafruit's. I'm going to give yours a go next week :)
[20:03] <three14> might try experimenting with a circular pattern of vent holes in the top.
[20:04] <waterbury> also with the sd port on bottom, they are hard to mount
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[20:04] <Hybridsix> waterbury: you should link your thinkaverse to a blog post tonight
[20:04] <three14> whats your blog, waterbury?
[20:04] <Hybridsix> we can take pics of my case, and yours. lrvick has some acrylic to cut as well for one.
[20:05] <Hybridsix> three14: was talking out our lab's page.
[20:05] <Hybridsix> www.familab.org
[20:05] <three14> ok, bookmarked. :-)
[20:05] <Hybridsix> nice, thanks.
[20:05] <three14> will you guys be selling these modified pi boxes?
[20:06] <Hybridsix> waterbury, f00bard, lrvick, tetsu, myself, all members
[20:06] <Hybridsix> selling? I guess we could cut/sell them.
[20:06] <Hybridsix> not sure how that works with the CC liscence.
[20:06] <Hybridsix> any ideas waterbury ?
[20:06] <lrvick> Ill be putting an 2x16 LCD hole in the top of mine
[20:06] <Cheery> I'm getting raspberry today
[20:07] <three14> lrvick, now i am jealous.
[20:07] <Hybridsix> will it fit the short way lrvick ?
[20:07] <waterbury> someone asked me for a modified case
[20:07] <waterbury> to sell
[20:07] <waterbury> felt bad
[20:07] <waterbury> it's adafruit's design
[20:07] <Cheery> or wait. not today but this week
[20:07] <lrvick> Hybridsix: should just fit
[20:07] <markllama> waterbury: read the license....
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[20:07] <Hybridsix> waterbury: we could make three14 one for parts + Labor?
[20:07] <markllama> could be you're allowed under conditions (attribution?)
[20:08] <waterbury> yeah
[20:08] <waterbury> you could
[20:08] <waterbury> you could sell linux
[20:08] <waterbury> or rather
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[20:08] <waterbury> a cd
[20:08] <three14> waterbury, what if you modified the case to accomodate, say, the 16x2 lcd, and possibly a backpack connected to the lecd's underside, with holes to mount the lcd too, of course.
[20:08] <waterbury> with linux
[20:08] <waterbury> same thing I imagine
[20:08] <Hybridsix> also, any of you, feel free to join the lab's IRC channel, so you can keep in touch. #familab
[20:08] <markllama> you just can't prevent someone else from doing it too.
[20:08] <Hybridsix> on freenode here.
[20:08] <waterbury> could do
[20:08] <waterbury> have some neat ideas
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[20:08] <lrvick> eah i already orderd the lcd for mine. adding the lcd is my goal
[20:09] <markllama> damn, My column of channels is getting too big
[20:09] <sjaak_trekhaak> I just plugged in the pi, how long should it take before I actually see anything>
[20:09] <Hybridsix> lrvick: which one?
[20:09] <Cheery> sjaak_trekhaak: immediately?
[20:09] <sjaak_trekhaak> ok
[20:09] <sjaak_trekhaak> i guess its not working then
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[20:09] <sjaak_trekhaak> :X
[20:09] <lrvick> Hybridsix: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0059H60SK/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
[20:10] <bfdb> sjaak_trekhaak: try shaking it
[20:10] <sjaak_trekhaak> :P
[20:10] <Cheery> officially they say it should take about few seconds to minutes to bootup
[20:10] <sjaak_trekhaak> The PWR led is lit, but thats it
[20:10] <Cheery> if I remember correct
[20:10] <trevorman> sjaak_trekhaak: you got a SD card in there
[20:10] <bfdb> Cheery: raspbian took 20 seconds for me
[20:10] <trevorman> no SD card = nothing except PWR LED
[20:10] <Hybridsix> lrvick: adafruit has an SPI/I2C backpack for those displays
[20:10] <Hybridsix> so you use less pins
[20:10] <waterbury> I was using raspbian but had some trouble compiling a GB emulator
[20:11] <sjaak_trekhaak> SD card is plugged in
[20:11] <lrvick> I have a backpack, but I have no idea how to get the pi to speak i2c
[20:11] <waterbury> guess the libraries werent in that built
[20:11] <Cheery> sjaak_trekhaak: have you followed instructions? is there anything in SD card?
[20:11] <waterbury> or GCC environment
[20:11] <waterbury> I gave up
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[20:11] <Hybridsix> brb
[20:12] <sjaak_trekhaak> Cheery: yes, it is preloaded with raspbmc
[20:12] <nichlas> Hi all
[20:12] <Cheery> sjaak_trekhaak: hmm.. maybe yours is broken then.. you could try composite though.
[20:12] <Cheery> also you could try whether you can ssh in it.
[20:13] <sjaak_trekhaak> wud be weird if its broken already
[20:13] <bfdb> Cheery: ssh isn't on by default
[20:14] <friggle> sjaak_trekhaak: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Power_.2F_Start-up
[20:14] <Cheery> bfdb: yeah, but it can be activated.
[20:14] <sjaak_trekhaak> Cheers friggle. Looks like the image cannot be found.
[20:15] <friggle> I wouldn't rule out power issues either if you've never booted that pi before
[20:15] <Cheery> sjaak_trekhaak: oh
[20:15] <Remowylliams> are raspberry pi's shipping in the US yet? I've been waiting to hear from Newark for about 6/7 weeks
[20:15] <Cheery> sjaak_trekhaak: well that's simple then :)
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[20:16] <three14> Remowylliams, yes. got mine from element14 on jun05, my second one was shipped from RS this morning.
[20:16] <sjaak_trekhaak> I'm using a 5V 1200mA power supply
[20:16] <ukscone> Remowylliams: yes. they were shipping those ordered in the 1st week of march a fortnight or so ago
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[20:18] <Hybridsix> How many people can a single channel hold???
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> How much wood can a ...
[20:18] <Cheery> Hybridsix: infinite amount of idlers
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[20:19] <Hybridsix> Hrmm. Interesting.
[20:19] <Hybridsix> Learn something new everyday.
[20:19] <kvarley> gordonDrogon: hehe
[20:19] <plugwash> sjaak_trekhaak, whatever numbers are printed on the PSU I wouldn't rule out power problems until I had actually checked the voltage delivered to the Pi's 5V rail
[20:19] <plugwash> and in the case of USB devices the voltage delivered to the USB port in question
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[20:20] <three14> gordonDrogon: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Hmuch+wood+would+a+woodchuck+chuck+if+a+woodchuck+could+chuck+wood%3F
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[20:20] <kvarley> three14: And that is why wolframalpha is awesome xD
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> Wolfram|Alpha doesn't understand your query
[20:21] <Hybridsix> Lrvick...if you get i2c working from the pi to your lcd, I wanna know how. :)
[20:22] <Remowylliams> three14: thanks. I haven't even been able to order yet. so have been a bit confused if Element14 is shipping.
[20:22] * gordonDrogon corrects the spelling...
[20:22] <three14> kvarley: even better: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+many+licks+does+it+take+to+get+to+the+center+of+a+tootsie+roll+tootsie+pop%3F
[20:22] <three14> not 3 like that scumbag owl said.
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[20:23] <IT_Sean> 3481, aye?
[20:23] <IT_Sean> that's a lot of licks.
[20:23] <three14> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY2A7WIOqCA
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[20:23] <Remowylliams> three14: Mr Owl Solved that empirically decades ago. 3
[20:23] <IT_Sean> Mr Owl was a lying bugger!
[20:23] <Remowylliams> lol
[20:23] <IT_Sean> It takes a lot more than three!
[20:23] <three14> ^ video has a better ending
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[20:27] <three14> Ah, WolframAlpha: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=What+is+the+air-speed+velocity+of+an+unladen+swallow%3F+
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[20:28] <three14> Hello, I'd like to have an argument, please.
[20:28] <lrvick> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=8021&p=96553&hilit=lcd#p96553 looks promising but I have no idea how he wired it.
[20:29] <lrvick> hmmm
[20:29] <Remowylliams> I asked how many kilojoules in 2600 farad charged to 14.4 volts it didn't know.
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[20:29] <lrvick> i have that same module
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[20:29] <SpeedEvil> Remowylliams: .5MJ
[20:30] <IT_Sean> three14: Sorry, we charge by the minute for arguments, and you need to undergo a credit approval first.
[20:30] <three14> No you don't.
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[20:30] <three14> One of my favs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
[20:31] <IT_Sean> I don't think you understand. You can't start arguing until you have submitted a proof of income, so we can be sure you can afford the ??80/minute rate for arguments.
[20:31] <bfdb> three14: that clip is terrible
[20:31] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: You here ?
[20:31] <three14> the dead parrot one comes in at a close second, then the ministry of silly walks.
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Any EEs here who have experienced the sticky keys keyboard issue?
[20:31] <Remowylliams> SpeedEvil: hmm by my figure it should be .27 Mj
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[20:31] <three14> @IT_Sean, yes i can.
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[20:32] <bfdb> ShiftPlusOne: The solution is to drink diet soft drinks around your computer
[20:32] <three14> bfdb, which one?
[20:32] <IT_Sean> That's not a bad idea, though. Some people love to argue. So, why hasn't anyone set up a premium rate number they can call, to aruge with someone trained in the arts of argument!?
[20:32] <bfdb> three14: any, as long as it doesn't have sugar
[20:32] <bfdb> IT_Sean: That's stupid
[20:32] <lrvick> Anyone know the easist LCD i cna connect directly to the GPIO pins without a breakout board?
[20:33] <lrvick> looking for a small 16x2
[20:33] <Remowylliams> which should be around 9 Wh
[20:33] <bfdb> lrvick: none, you want to connect it via dsi
[20:33] <three14> lrvick, probably a 16x6 with a shift register of some sort, like a 74hc595
[20:33] <three14> 16x2*
[20:33] <IT_Sean> bfdb: :/
[20:33] <Hybridsix> is dsi i2c/spi?
[20:34] <_inc> pi error signal: red and green LED....
[20:34] <_inc> SD or power?
[20:34] <Gadget-Mac> I'm about to try one of these http://www.bitwizard.nl/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=85
[20:34] <Gadget-Mac> with one of these http://www.bitwizard.nl/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=69
[20:35] <bfdb> _inc: rma it
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[20:38] <lrvick> It looks like this guy is somehow controlling a simple 44870 via GPIO only: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=8021
[20:38] <bfdb> lrvick: magic
[20:38] <lrvick> bfdb: >.>
[20:40] <lrvick> ok so if I am not connecting to the GPIO or thats the wrong way to do it, what is the easiest way I can get a 16x2 controlled by python
[20:40] <three14> I can't really see what he's working with on that breadboard. that a transistor driving the backlight or something?
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[20:41] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: don't stick bubblegum in your keyboard
[20:42] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: and yes i did have problems with the keyboard sticking. it goes hand in hand with eth0 throwing out tons of bad messages
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[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, yeah, it's the polyfuse causing a voltage drop and making the keyboard act strange. Wonder how ethernet fits in though. Did you check the tp1/tp2 voltage and the usb voltage?
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, hello!
[20:44] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: no i keep on forgetting my damn multimeter
[20:45] <lrvick> I also have an lcd with an adafruit spi/i2c backpack... but I have no idea how to connect it to the pi
[20:45] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: the answer was to stability test all my power sources and to only stick kb/mouse into the usb ports
[20:45] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: so for now i'm stable
[20:46] <three14> lrvick, i bought a few of them to have in the event i need to make things more compact, but since i am cheap i just use a shift register to control the lcd rather than the backpack. if you figure it out, please tell.
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[20:46] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, I am just investigating why it happens right now.
[20:47] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: so you konw how to make your pi stable, just trying to isolate the problem more?
[20:47] <lrvick> three14: so you just hook up the lcd direct to the GPIO pins then?
[20:47] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, can confirm that I have 5v on tp1/tp2 and a 1v drop in the fuse causing a usb voltage of 4v. Just want to check the current to make sure my theory is correct (that it's drawing over the hold current, but under the trip current of the fuse).
[20:48] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: you are probably correct. getting hosed by a powered hub ?
[20:48] <lrvick> traeak: or just with one of these you mean: http://www.amazon.com/SparkFun-Shift-Register-Breakout-74HC595/dp/B007R9SXCE
[20:48] <three14> ShiftPlusOne, if there's that much of a voltage drop on usb, it might explain your ethernet issues too
[20:48] <lrvick> three14: *
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[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> three14, no, shouldn't, because that voltage drop is only on the port that's in use. the rest of the lan chip is still powered properly.
[20:49] <Hybridsix> lrvick: I have one of those shift registeres in my locker, I think
[20:49] <three14> lrvick, i use just a standard through hole 74hc595 from...MXP, i believe.
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[20:49] <three14> NXP?
[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, I am actually not having much luck with hubs, but I think I have a keyboard which tries to draw over 500mA. I am cloberring together a cable to help me test currents right now.
[20:50] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Have you even used an i2c bootloader on atmega ?
[20:50] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, you're pretty much hitting the biggest problem with the rpi....peripheral compatibility
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[20:50] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: if you have a powered hub....
[20:51] <_inc> oooooh i found my sdhc
[20:51] <three14> ShiftPlusOne, i went through three cheap keyboards before i found one that worked well.
[20:51] <_inc> these things take ages to flash
[20:51] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, I'll be making some changes to the board... ordered a 1.5A fuse to replace the 700mA one, and 2 500mA ones for USB.
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> back inna bit.
[20:52] <Kripton> Hey gordonDrogon, is your RPi-WebServer back on?
[20:52] <ShiftPlusOne> three14, yeah, I've got a keyboard that works, this is just plain curiosity.
[20:52] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: very aggressive :-p i would just get a powered hub if i were you, cut the +5V to the hub and use it...then wait for a "fixed" rpi to get released
[20:53] <lrvick> Actualyl this is already i2c. Could i hook this direct to a pi? http://www.amazon.com/Serial-Module-White-Backlight-Arduino/dp/B007LORKYC/
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[20:53] <lrvick> supports serial (TTL), i2c and SPI interfaces
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, having gone through the schematics and datasheets, I don't see much of a risk there. We'll see though.
[20:54] <Hybridsix> i2c is awesome, if we can figure out how to get the pi to talk to one of those backpacks.
[20:54] <Hybridsix> not sure where the i2c porrts even are.
[20:54] <lrvick> Hybridsix: http://www.amazon.com/Serial-Module-White-Backlight-Arduino/dp/B007LORKYC/ dos not even need a backpack
[20:54] <lrvick> Hybridsix: its already prewired
[20:54] <Hybridsix> btw. mine's up and running at my desk now. I'm looking for a second keyboard/mouse to use. rather. third. :)
[20:54] <lrvick> ina single module
[20:54] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: the massive number of usb interrupts is something i dont' think they can fix with this SOC and IMHO is the real achilles heel
[20:55] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: i figured, but rumors are rumors;) congrats! that's pretty awesome!
[20:55] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: but your decision about how much to invest int he rpi...
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[20:55] <ShiftPlusOne> traeak, what's this about usb interrupts?
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[20:56] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: apparently the usb polling is killing the cpu ~20% or so. the only way to fix that is to turn off the USB
[20:57] <ShiftPlusOne> that's just a bad driver, though isn't it?
[20:57] <Hybridsix> lrvick: were you having the same USB issues on arch?
[20:57] <zgreg> it's taking 20% of the cpu? that's crazy
[20:57] <traeak> Hybridsix: i'm running arch and that's
[20:57] <plugwash> ShiftPlusOne, IIRC there are some possible workarrounds for the interrupts issue but the problem is there is very little documentation on the USB core
[20:58] <Gadget-Mac> Hybridsix: i2c is on the gpio header.
[20:58] <traeak> zgreg: ugly rumours i've been reading on here today
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[20:58] <zgreg> well, there should be a way to actually test/profile/benchmark this
[20:58] <lrvick> Hybridsix: yeah I had to fullly upgrade before usb worked. ther is a firmware fix
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[20:58] <Gadget-Mac> I've had good succsess with i2c see here: http://raspberrypi.homelabs.org.uk/i2c-connected-1-wire-masters/
[20:59] <three14> lrvick - http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[20:59] <plugwash> ShiftPlusOne, personally i'd have replaced the polyfuses with plain links
[20:59] <traeak> ShiftPlusOne: put it this way. my mele and rpi have been up about the same time. the mele has 88 usb interrupts, the rpi 40 million
[20:59] <lrvick> Ok does anyone think this LCD could work out of the box? http://nkcelectronics.webstorepowered.com/Serial-Module-White-Backlight-Arduino/dp/B007LORKYC
[20:59] <zgreg> traeak: per second?
[20:59] <djazz> anyone managed to write the wheezy beta image to a sd card? it seems to create misaligned partitions
[20:59] <traeak> cumulative
[20:59] <three14> like 8k/sec, maybe?
[20:59] <traeak> zgreg: cumulative
[21:00] <traeak> three14: yes that's correct
[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> plugwash, what about devices which try to draw over 500mA? you'd need atleast some current limiting.
[21:00] <Gadget-Mac> lrvick: problem with that LCD is it's 5v, remember gpio pins are 3v3
[21:00] <zgreg> hm, it should never be more than about 1000/sec, if I got it right
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[21:00] <friggle> djazz: the partitions should be arranged on 4MiB boundaries. What are you seeing?
[21:01] <djazz> friggle: 4 Mb space yeah
[21:01] <djazz> well it dont boot
[21:01] <Hybridsix> lrvick: we can get an i2c level shifter
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[21:01] <lrvick> Gadget-Mac: What about this: http://nkcelectronics.webstorepowered.com/16x2-Module-white-Backlight-Arduino/dp/B007LO3Y9W
[21:01] <lrvick> Gadget-Mac: its 3.3v
[21:01] <Hybridsix> or that. :)
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[21:01] <djazz> when booting it gets stuck complaining about tty1 smth
[21:01] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: thanks :P
[21:01] <plugwash> ShiftPlusOne, meh, if you are running it off a wall wart then the supply will almost certainly collapse before the current gets high enough to fry anything
[21:02] <plugwash> now If I was to hook up a Pi to the 5V 40A PSU I have that would be a different matter
[21:02] <lrvick> Hybridsix: my goal is to identify an lcd that I can just hook up, so I can focus on the software side.
[21:02] <Hybridsix> yeah
[21:02] <Gadget-Mac> lrvick: You'd need to work out how to drive it. Thats only got the parallel interface.
[21:02] <Hybridsix> lrvick: that would work, we might can jump the backlight off of the 5v in
[21:02] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: must be Puerto awesome to get that kind if recognition:)
[21:02] <Hybridsix> what we need
[21:02] <friggle> djazz: what's the precise error?
[21:02] <Hybridsix> is an I2C 3.3v interface
[21:02] <djazz> hm, wait
[21:03] <Gadget-Mac> What are you trying to do with the LCD Hybridsix / Limb ?
[21:03] <Hybridsix> :)
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[21:04] <Hybridsix> lrvick is thw one who wants to write to the display gadget
[21:04] <Hybridsix> Gadget-Mac:
[21:04] <Gadget-Mac> :)
[21:05] <djazz> friggle: /bin/sh: 1: cannot open /dev/tty1: No such file
[21:05] <three14> Hybridsix, you can pull the 5v you need from the 5v gpio pin, but probably not more than 200mA, maybe a bit more. An OLED 16x2 might draw less power than a standard LED backlit one. But i could be wrong.
[21:05] <djazz> friggle: INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
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[21:06] <lrvick> http://www.amazon.com/16x2-Module-white-Backlight-Arduino/dp/B007LO3Y9W this looks like a fully 3.3v lcd. It should be possible to hook this up directly then right?
[21:06] <friggle> djazz: hmm, never had any report like that before
[21:06] <Adya> Hi guys
[21:06] <three14> lrvick, http://www.adafruit.com/products/823 This one should work with both 5 and 3.3v logic
[21:06] <djazz> i used the dd command to write the sd card, it works fine for other images
[21:07] <_inc> interesting
[21:07] <lrvick> three14: thats 27$ and thsi one is $10 http://www.amazon.com/16x2-Module-white-Backlight-Arduino/dp/B007LO3Y9W are they not the same?
[21:07] <lrvick> its 3.3v
[21:07] <three14> lrvick, also, if you shop around, you can find what appears to be that same OLED display in yellow-ish for much cheaper.
[21:07] <_inc> pi won't work through hdmi switch but will through straight plug to hdmi port in tv
[21:08] <friggle> djazz: interesting. A lot of people downloaded the alpha and not a single report like this
[21:08] <lrvick> _inc: try increasing the power to the hdmi port?
[21:08] <friggle> djazz: I notice some were complaining of the same thing here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=7311&p=97215
[21:08] <three14> lrvick, no, that's led backlit and will priobably require a pot to adjust contrast. the oled doesn't require a pot
[21:08] <Gadget-Mac> lrvick: ok, so you've got the display, then what do you want to do with it ?
[21:08] <djazz> friggle: i used the alpha, no problems there
[21:08] <friggle> I use the same trick to auto-login on tty1
[21:08] <three14> lrvick, also, you can use that 16x2 oled as a 100x16 display.
[21:08] <djazz> friggle: yeah saw that
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[21:09] <friggle> djazz: curiouser and curiouser...
[21:09] <_inc> lrvick:can't tell if you're joking
[21:09] <three14> _inc, he's not
[21:09] <Gadget-Mac> three14: really ?
[21:09] <_inc> how does on increase hdmi power then?
[21:10] <Adya_> I've setted up chat script, and, when I'm trying to "pon edge", it tells there is an Input/Output error when trying to connect to /dev/ttyACM0. What can I do?
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[21:10] <friggle> djazz: same sd card?
[21:10] <djazz> yea
[21:10] <lrvick> _inc: i had similar problems with hdmi until i increeased the power.
[21:10] <lrvick> _inc: you can adjust a boot.txt flag
[21:10] <three14> _inc, use config_hdmi_boost
[21:10] <lrvick> ^^
[21:10] <_inc> ohhh ok
[21:10] <three14> inc_, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[21:10] <lrvick> its just hdmi_boost now
[21:10] <djazz> friggle: there is no tty1 file in /dev, only tty and tty0
[21:10] <lrvick> you dont need the config_
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[21:10] <_inc> i thought you were giving me a "she needs more power cap'n" response
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[21:10] <three14> lrvick, ah, thank you!
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[21:11] <Adya1> I've setted up chat script, and, when I'm trying to "pon edge", it tells there is an Input/Output error when trying to connect to /dev/ttyACM0. What can I do?
[21:11] <lrvick> three14: http://www.adafruit.com/products/823 so this, in theory, should hook up directly to the GPIO pins, then I can send it text with python and truck on, yes?
[21:12] <friggle> djazz: that's right, udev creates them, probably on a tmpfs
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[21:12] <three14> i'd check for a datasheet, but yea, it seems to be the closest thing i can think of that you could directly connect with as few components as possible
[21:12] <Hybridsix> yeah... but I'd hate to use all those pins for just an LCD
[21:12] <Hybridsix> we can find you a good lcd/i2c combo tonight lrvick
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[21:13] <three14> i would go through a shift register to free up pins
[21:13] <three14> or use a backpack if possible
[21:13] <Gadget-Mac> Guys, LCD and connectors here http://www.bitwizard.nl/catalog/
[21:13] <andatche> this is about the easiest thing to interface with, but a bit pricey - http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R272-LCD03.html
[21:13] <andatche> speaks i2c, 4x20
[21:13] <Gadget-Mac> Either using SPI , or i2c, there's even examples for using it on RaspberryPi
[21:14] <friggle> djazz: I haven't changed much in the bootup process since alpha. There's new firmware sure. /etc/inittab is doing the same thing. I moved a little logic from rc.local to init.d scripts
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[21:14] <djazz> friggle: it seems in inittab it already have the line "1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f root tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 # RPICFG_TO_DISABLE"
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[21:14] <djazz> http://elinux.org/RPi_Debian_Auto_Login
[21:14] <friggle> djazz: yeah, just like the alpha did
[21:14] <Hexxeh> fwiw raspberrypi overlay got merged into chromium os today
[21:15] <three14> Hexxeh, haha, that's awesome.
[21:15] <lrvick> all i want to do with my pi is hook up a 16x2 lcd and a serial console.
[21:15] <zgreg> traeak: might be interesting to do some simple CPU benchmarks with and without USB enabled to gauge its performance impact
[21:15] <Hexxeh> http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/overlays/board-overlays.git;a=tree;f=overlay-raspberrypi
[21:15] <three14> thank you sir
[21:15] <Gadget-Mac> lrvick: What do you want to do with the LCD ?
[21:15] <lrvick> Gadget-Mac: display network connection information when it gets on a network
[21:16] <lrvick> so i can connect to it easily
[21:16] <traeak> zgreg: with usb turned off that makes it a pita to benchmark
[21:16] <Gadget-Mac> Ok, using software you've written to drive the LCD ?
[21:16] <lrvick> Gadget-Mac: so for instance if it gets a DHCP address, it can display it on the screen.
[21:16] <friggle> traeak: serial connection
[21:16] <lrvick> Gadget-Mac: well i know ther is a pthon GPIO library so assuming im hooked to the gpio pins it should eb simple to send it text
[21:16] <lrvick> as a part of my regular scripts
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[21:17] <Gadget-Mac> Ok, I'd probably look at using something like LCDProc to drive it tbh.
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[21:18] <lrvick> Gadget-Mac: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=8021
[21:18] <Adya1> I've setted up chat script, and, when I'm trying to "pon edge", it tells there is an Input/Output error when trying to connect to /dev/ttyACM0. What can I do?
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[21:18] <lrvick> some simple python code
[21:18] <Adya1> :'(
[21:18] <lrvick> Gadget-Mac: but yeah if i can run it through a library, all the better
[21:19] <traeak> friggle: ugh...now i have to go look for which pins to hook up to my usb/serial adapter
[21:20] <three14> lrvick, here's the yellow version of that 16x2 OLED: http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_2137764_-1
[21:20] <three14> lrvick, slightly cheaper than the blue from adafruit, but i am certain you could find it cheaper
[21:20] <three14> Jameco, imo, is a bit higher than most.
[21:20] <mythos> zgreg, hmm... cup-benchmark with and without usb-support? that's quite simple to do. i put it on my todo-list, if you don't mind
[21:23] <traeak> crap, what's a good set of cpu benchmarks to run?
[21:24] <three14> traeak, would linpack work?
[21:25] <Gadget-Mac> lrvick: you could try one of these http://www.mini-box.com/picoLCD-20x2-OEM
[21:25] <traeak> three14: well i shoudl just get another usb/serial adapter, i'm too lazy to unplug the one in use
[21:26] <markllama> never unplug a serial adapter. Every computer should have a live serial port
[21:26] <markllama> It Is Written.
[21:26] <traeak> not to mention my failing eyesight and fat fingers
[21:26] <three14> whoa..just had a slight brownout here.
[21:27] * markllama should by stock in Nokia for the CA-42 cables...
[21:27] <three14> UPSs went nuts.
[21:27] <markllama> but nothing else
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> Kripton, Hi - I've never run a Pi server..
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[21:28] <djazz> where can i download the debian wheezy alpha?
[21:28] <djazz> the beta gets stuck halfway in boot
[21:28] <friggle> djazz: I'll message you a link
[21:28] * three14 deletes the link he was pasting to the beta
[21:29] <djazz> ^^
[21:29] <friggle> djazz: and make an issue on github about it (I'm Alex by the way, I made the image)
[21:29] <djazz> ah
[21:29] <djazz> I fixed the tty1 problem
[21:29] <djazz> but it still dont boot
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> hi
[21:29] <friggle> djazz: how did you fix the tty1 problem and where does it get stuck now?
[21:30] <djazz> the messages just stops coming, as if it was waiting for something
[21:30] <djazz> friggle: i did the autologin tutorial backwards
[21:30] <djazz> in the "freezed" state, if i plug in/out an usb device it logs that out
[21:31] <djazz> is the boot logged in a file somewhere?
[21:33] <friggle> djazz: might be worth checking /var/log/messages
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[21:33] <three14> Hmm, my usb/serial eneabled LCD's contrast is really bad on the Pi's usb
[21:33] <pedro__> Hello from Vienna
[21:33] <IT_Sean> Hello from somewhere else!
[21:33] <three14> not bad at an angle
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[21:33] <Hybridsix> neat. just found the disable_overscan=1 trick. :)
[21:34] <pedro__> Can anybody tell me when the OK Led of the Raspi should be on
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[21:35] <pedro__> should it be on when there is SD card access ?
[21:35] <friggle> pedro__: in newer firmware yes, in older it was the other way round
[21:35] <traeak> pedro__: from experience it seems like an SD card IO light
[21:36] <djazz> friggle: "(Nothing has been logged yet.)"
[21:36] <pedro__> thanks
[21:36] <three14> I suppose the contrast isn't too bad, but it has to be pretty much viewed from this exact angle: http://i.imgur.com/3CnTx.jpg
[21:36] <friggle> djazz: in /var/log/messages? very very odd
[21:36] <djazz> messages dont exits
[21:36] <djazz> its a file?
[21:36] <Kripton> gordonDrogon, oh then I got that wrong .. sry :)
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> Kripton, no wories! I was planning on putting a Pi online as a web server - but no idea what to actually put on it though!
[21:37] <friggle> djazz: yeah, and should have been created very early on in boot...
[21:37] <djazz> :P
[21:37] <friggle> djazz: are you sure there are no other errors before the tty1 thing?
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[21:38] <friggle> djazz: and have you tried booting with no usb peripherals connected?
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[21:38] <pedro__> what about the 10M Led, when is it on ?
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[21:38] <gordonDrogon> neat little usb display, three14
[21:38] <djazz> the console prints out tons of stuff that flashes by very quickly, as usual i guess
[21:38] <djazz> friggle: yes, no diff
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[21:39] <three14> gordonDrogon, yea but the contrast is terrible unless you're at an extreme angle like in the pic
[21:40] <Hybridsix> okay... dumb question.
[21:40] <Hybridsix> so how do I tell the pi what kind of keybaord I have?
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[21:40] <traeak> you mean internationalization? that's distribution dependent
[21:40] <Hybridsix> everytime I type in the # sign, I get the weird E sign
[21:40] <three14> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration ?
[21:40] <three14> ^ double check that
[21:41] <three14> debian variants, obviously
[21:41] <Hybridsix> i cant type in the # tag for comments. :)
[21:43] <zgreg> hm. does the max232 work with only 3.3v at its inputs?
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> three14, yep: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[21:44] <Hybridsix> yeah, that looks like itll work. testing now.
[21:44] <zgreg> e.g. can I abuse a max232 somehow for usage with 3.3v?
[21:44] <Hybridsix> took a while to reboot...
[21:44] <Hybridsix> but
[21:44] <Hybridsix> testing... brb
[21:44] <zgreg> my idea was to simply put two diodes into the TX line to drop the voltage down to ~3.6v
[21:44] <zgreg> but RX might be problematic
[21:44] <Hybridsix> yay! that worked. thanks
[21:44] <three14> gordonDrogon, the contrast at a normal angle: http://i.imgur.com/A9a0p.jpg
[21:44] <three14> :-(
[21:45] <zgreg> I'd do it properly, but I don't have a max3232 here
[21:46] <zgreg> http://forum.sparkfun.com/viewtopic.php?t=13011
[21:46] <markllama> yeah, I have a couple of max3232. I wouldn't know how to step down a 5v one
[21:46] <zgreg> huh, it's worth a try
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> three14, yes, it's a bit "thin" ..
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> three14, is there no adjustment? usually you connect a small potentiometer...
[21:48] <Kripton> Gadget-Mac, was it you then with the Web-server on port 31415?
[21:48] <Gadget-Mac> Nope.
[21:48] <Kripton> mmhhh.... I'll have to check my chat logs
[21:48] <three14> gordonDrogon, no, it's a usb/serial backpack. no pot to adjust. it's an rbg lcd and defaulted to white, so it's probably drawing a good bit off the usb. not sure if that'd affect it.
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, what did you mean by an i2c bootloader?
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> three probably not..
[21:49] <Kripton> aahhh... Gadgetoid was it :)
[21:49] <Holden> zgreg, some time ago I used a max232 with +5V supply, rpi_tx directly to max232, rpi_rx via a 18k/12k voltage divider, and I was able to communicate at 115200 8N1 with minicom
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> too many gadgets ;)
[21:49] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: instead of serial for example. adds ability to program multiple devices :)
[21:49] <Kripton> gordonDrogon, true
[21:50] <djazz> friggle: you have an sha1 checksum for the beta .img file?
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, well one possibly exists, but I've not seen one.
[21:50] <Gadget-Mac> ok.
[21:51] <djazz> friggle: boot "screenshot" http://i.imgur.com/XhF2N.jpg
[21:51] <three14> gordonDrogon, here's the back: http://i.imgur.com/2HcXV.jpg
[21:51] <Gadget-Mac> No a biggy, way down the list of things to try
[21:51] <friggle> djazz: a57162c39980ad12f117f94609876c98ad28aaec 2012-06-18-wheezy-beta.img
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[21:52] <djazz> friggle: yeah, its the same
[21:52] <friggle> djazz: seems like it must be a race condition somewhere
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> three14, Ah, I see. Right.
[21:52] <djazz> friggle: what could it be? my sd card?
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[21:53] <three14> gordonDrogon, i can set the contrast, through software, i believe.
[21:53] <djazz> writing alpha image..
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> three14, wouldn't surprise me - those little devices are all much the same and normally I'd use a pot. can you get the type of the underlying display?
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[21:56] <three14> gordonDrogon, it's just a standard HD44780-compatible. The chip on the backpack is a AT90USB162.
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[21:57] <friggle> djazz: and if you change inittab it just got stuck at that point with no output?
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[22:02] <traeak> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7866&hilit=usb+polling
[22:02] <traeak> that's the USB polling dealy if anyone cares
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[22:06] <mythos> trench, i have 494 per second
[22:06] <mythos> *traeak
[22:07] <djazz> friggle: saw the screenshot?
[22:07] <neofutur> fyi http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/ is now live
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[22:07] <mythos> traeak, and i use an usb gbit ethernet adapter right at the moment
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[22:09] <traeak> mythos: overkill for usb2.0
[22:09] <mythos> trench, i need more than 10 mb/s ...
[22:09] <three14> traeak, it's a 'feature' to have 8k interrupts/sec :-]
[22:10] <friggle> djazz: the one with the /dev/tty1 error yes
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[22:10] <traeak> three14: nice feature
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[22:10] <friggle> djazz: just wanted to clarify the behaviour when you edited /etc/inittab
[22:10] <mythos> the adapter reaches max ~230 mbit/s, or were it 270? so it does what i want
[22:10] <traeak> mythos: your throughput is only as good as the weakest link, and its certainly NOT your gigE adapter
[22:11] <mythos> traeak, what is your point?
[22:11] <traeak> mythos: it's like you are trying to drink a river through a coffee stir straw
[22:11] <Gadgetoid> kripton: 31415 :D
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[22:11] <rm> I wonder where are the USB 3.0 gigabit adapters
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[22:11] <three14> with enough pressure, and provided the strength of the straw is up to the task...
[22:11] <mythos> traeak, netfilter is quite fast... so there should nowhere a bottleneck
[22:12] <friggle> djazz: I'm tracking the issue here https://github.com/asb/spindle/issues/69
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[22:12] <djazz> friggle: the alpha boots fine
[22:12] <djazz> ssh isnt enabled, and raspi-config cant enable it
[22:13] * traeak tries to hand mythos a clue
[22:14] <mythos> traeak, thanks
[22:14] <friggle> djazz: ssh is most definitely enabled by default. On the alpha it is started before raspi-config. On the beta the initial key generation will happen in the background so it can take a little longer
[22:14] * mythos puts it in a box
[22:14] <djazz> friggle: it outputs some errors about ssh keys
[22:14] <djazz> on second boot
[22:15] <djazz> file not found or smth
[22:15] * three14 takes traeak's clue out of mythos' box, steals the box, and uses it as a case for another Pi.
[22:15] <friggle> djazz: alpha or beta? that is expected on first boot in the alpha
[22:15] <djazz> alpha
[22:15] <djazz> no ssh on beta either ;P
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[22:16] <friggle> djazz: something totally weird is going on. rc.local in the alpha will generate those ssh host keys if they don't exist (so you'll see the error, then see a message about key generation before you're able to log in)
[22:16] <djazz> hm
[22:17] <djazz> ssh worked just fine yesterday on alpha :/
[22:17] <djazz> by default
[22:18] <friggle> djazz: worked fine for everyone else too ;)
[22:18] <djazz> I'll get new sd cards soon, if that could be the case
[22:18] <friggle> djazz: yeah, I hope it's an SD card issue because at least that would be a reasonable explanation
[22:18] <djazz> class 2 8Gb
[22:19] <djazz> sandisk
[22:19] <friggle> djazz: otherwise, poltergeists
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[22:21] <SpeedEvil> Somewhat off-topic question alert:
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> Is anyone aware of a media player that will allow me to seek in gtreams such as mms://wms002.twofourdigital.net/UKParliament/Archive/0000019728.wmv ?
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[22:26] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, what was the listing-widget you used there?
[22:27] <Gadgetoid> kripton: it was built on Ruby using Thin server
[22:27] <Holden> SpeedEvil, mplayer -dumpstream <url>, you can leave it to download the whole file, or you can play and seek through it while it's still downloading
[22:28] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, yeah but your listings on that page used a specific javascript-thingy and they looked so pretty :)
[22:28] <Gadgetoid> kripton: the page is now at pi.gadgetoid.co.uk if you want to pull it apart, it uses bootstrap CSS to make it pretty for the most part
[22:29] <Kripton> Gadgetoid, great, will do this :) thanks for the info
[22:30] <Kripton> okay, gotta go now... bye
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[22:39] <SpeedEvil> Holden: Thanks.
[22:39] * SpeedEvil sighs.
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> Silly MPs.
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> 'I would guess about a third of people have a driving licence'
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> These people are so ridiculously insulated from the real world.
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[22:48] <Hybridsix> trying to get Q3 running... hitting an error while loading shared libraries libvcos.so cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
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[22:49] <Hybridsix> its the debian squeeze image.
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[22:50] <three14> i haven't even compiled it yet. was considering quake1 instead.
[22:50] <three14> not sure about building it, though
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[22:51] <three14> ah, already in raspbian
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[22:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> maxed out.
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[22:53] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: nice :)
[22:53] <Trickierstinky> hi guys, wondered if someone could lend me their lighttd noggin?
[22:53] <three14> now to make that binary clock you've always wanted.
[22:53] <djazz> friggle: i had to recreate the partition table before running the "dd" command, the alpha is now running as yesterday
[22:53] <djazz> doing the same with the beta dont work
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[22:54] <friggle> djazz: but dd will overwrite the whole partition table.
[22:54] <friggle> djazz: what did you do to recreate it?
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[22:54] <djazz> gparted
[22:54] <djazz> i got suspicious when it said it copied 52 Mb/s
[22:55] <djazz> "1939865600 byte (1,9 GB) copied, 37,6944 s, 51,5 MB/s"
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[22:55] <Trickierstinky> can anyone tell me or point me to the direction on adding cgi scripts to a lightttd server? both .sh and .pl please
[22:55] <friggle> djazz: did you sync before removing the sd card?
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> Trickierstinky, sorry - apache only here...
[22:55] <djazz> sync?
[22:55] <three14> yea, after the dd command
[22:56] <Trickierstinky> gordondrgon: no worries, thanks for the reply anyways
[22:56] <djazz> no
[22:56] <djazz> xd
[22:57] <djazz> also, "sudo reboot" dont reboot, just shutdown
[22:57] <djazz> in rare cases, it reboots
[22:57] <mjr> you want dd conv=fdatasync
[22:58] <three14> djazz, what's sudo reboot -f do?
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[23:00] <friggle> itr /window 1
[23:01] <djazz> three14: no output, shutdown after some secs
[23:02] <three14> no reboot?
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[23:04] <djazz> three14: nope
[23:04] <three14> odd
[23:05] <friggle> some people do seem to have issues rebooting (myself included)
[23:05] <djazz> three14: maybe too little power or smth? i have 1.2 A suppy
[23:08] <Hybridsix> I bought an iPad knockoff supply from a Target store. 2.1A @ 5v :)
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[23:13] <Trickierstinky> any one know if this would work for a cgi assign - ".cgi" => "/usr/bin/sh",
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> Trickierstinky, /bin/bash might work better?
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> Trickierstinky, make sure /usr/bin/sh actually exists on your box.
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> it's not on mine...
[23:15] <djazz> friggle: sync solved it
[23:15] <djazz> beta is now running fine :)
[23:16] <Trickierstinky> ahh thanks it doesn't thanks I'm surprised I've not frazzled this install, going at gun ho
[23:16] <Trickierstinky> getting there I now have... http://teameagle.uk.to/cgi-bin/example.cgi
[23:16] <three14> Hmm, using lcdproc, how can i tell it to use /dev/ttyACM0 instead of /dev/tty1?
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[23:17] <friggle> djazz: hurrah! Thanks for the update
[23:17] <djazz> :)
[23:17] <three14> nm, brainfart
[23:17] <djazz> noticed that raspi-config is broken, but i've seen that reported already
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[23:18] <friggle> djazz: yeah, just the ssh thing. Trivial fix, I've just spent too long responding to everyones questions to be able to push it out yet
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[23:18] <djazz> friggle: changing keyboard layout is broken too
[23:19] <djazz> in alpha too
[23:19] <friggle> djazz: keyboard layout is broken in alpha, fixed in beta
[23:19] <friggle> djazz: though the menu is slow to come up
[23:19] <djazz> ah
[23:20] <djazz> oh, good :)
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[23:20] <djazz> add an option to change hostname too
[23:21] <three14> might as well use a netinstall if you want to do all of that manually. i suggest using the raspbian installer.
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[23:22] <friggle> there are a few thing to be changed when changing hostname, but it looks like it's not too hard to catch most common cases
[23:22] <friggle> http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname
[23:23] <djazz> also, some way to run "setupcon --force??--save"
[23:23] <djazz> easily
[23:24] <Trickierstinky> anyone have anyidea why http://teameagle.uk.to/cgi-bin/example.sh this would just be serving that rather then the actual generated file
[23:24] <Trickierstinky> but teameagle.uk.to/cgi-bin/test.pl works fine
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[23:24] <plugwash> are the permissions set correctly?
[23:24] <friggle> djazz: yeah, change keyboard layout should probably do that when it's done
[23:25] <Trickierstinky> I'm setting 755
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[23:25] <friggle> it does already do dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-setup but possibly that's not enough to pregenerate everything needed for next boot
[23:26] <trevorman> Trickierstinky: does your web server have it setup to allow shell scripts?
[23:26] <plugwash> Trickierstinky, I get a download dialog but what downloads looks like script output not script input
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[23:26] <plugwash> I think the problem is you aren't leaving a blank line between the headers and the body
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[23:27] <Trickierstinky> oh right let me try
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[23:27] <zgreg> heh, the max232 indeed works just fine at 3.3v here
[23:27] <Trickierstinky> that my current config btw http://pastebin.com/CeC9hKD9
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[23:28] <Trickierstinky> plugwash: your a star
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[23:28] <Trickierstinky> you're
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[23:30] <eXiLe> anyone working on a car computer based on the pi...?
[23:31] <Habbie> i've heard various people mention it
[23:31] <Habbie> have you searched?
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[23:32] <eXiLe> Habbie: sure
[23:33] <eXiLe> Habbie: i'm just looking for impressions ;)
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[23:36] <PhonicUK> hey all
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[23:43] <ibloat> hey there, has anyone here tried recompiling arch for hardfp?
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[23:44] <plugwash> ibloat, i'm sure I heard someone talking about it, dunno how far they got
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[23:49] <ibloat> plugwash, i see. in the good old gentoo ricer spirit i wanted to enable native floating point support
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[23:50] <three14> ibloat, could use Raspbian, or even just Gentoo.
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[23:52] <jaakkos> i wonder why nfs kernel support is not in the official image by default
[23:52] <ibloat> oh there is a gentoo image for the rpi?
[23:52] <traeak> enabling the VFP isn't "ricing"
[23:52] <traeak> heh
[23:52] <three14> ibloat, yep, some nice guy posted one on the forums
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[23:53] <three14> ibloat, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=707&p=89018&hilit=gentoo+xfce#p89018
[23:53] <friggle> jaakkos: oversight. I guess it would make sense to enable
[23:53] <three14> ibloat, the first link is just a basic stage3
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[23:54] <ibloat> three14, running a headless system so that'd be fine
[23:55] <_inc> finally working on the pi
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[23:55] <_inc> this is exciting stuff
[23:55] <three14> argh!! configuring lcdproc is a pain! lol
[23:55] <three14> the config file is soooo long and my lcd is somewhere around 2/3 the way down
[23:56] <three14> gonna have to wait and do it from inside x
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[23:59] <_inc> oooh, irc bouncer pi
[23:59] <ibloat> nfs or sshfs ftw :)

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