#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-20

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <_inc> is there a way to make irssi a bouncer? i mean i know its possible, but is it fully featured?
[0:00] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[0:01] <th0t> is anyone using qemu to build/test RPi distro's?
[0:01] <friggle> confession: ever since hearing about Raspberry Jam's I haven't been able to stop listening to Techtronic's Pump Up The Jam
[0:01] <Habbie> _inc, http://www.irssi.org/documentation/proxy - i don't know how well it works
[0:01] <th0t> i tried using qemu with the arch distro, but no luck - just wondering if others are having the same experience - didn't try debian.
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[0:02] <friggle> th0t: I use qemu to put together the wheezy release (though chroot in to the rootfs rather than booting it directly)
[0:02] <friggle> th0t: http://asbradbury.org/projects/spindle/
[0:02] <th0t> friggle: thx, i'll check it
[0:02] <Trickierstinky> i love shell scripts sometimes! just wish I had ideas and what to do with it :P
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[0:10] <Trickierstinky> what would you guys best method to send status emails out on my raspi?
[0:10] <Trickierstinky> say*
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[0:13] <_inc> Trickierstinky: http://theos.in/shell-scripting/send-mail-bash-script/
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[0:13] <Trickierstinky> _inc : always seems to get dead.letter using that ,ethod
[0:13] <Trickierstinky> method*
[0:14] <DJF5> dead.letter is my TODO
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[0:21] <_inc> anyone using tmux/midnight commander or similar console apps?
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[0:22] <DJF5> _inc: yes, i'm using tmux
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[0:23] <_inc> i was trying it until i ran rpi-update and got neck deep in mmc errors...
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[0:25] <DJF5> _inc: I'm not using tmux on my pi, but i could imagine it having too many IOPS (like a refreshrate) to your MMC card
[0:25] <RITRedbeard> Have you ever been?
[0:25] <RITRedbeard> To Electric Ladyland?
[0:25] <bardzusny> Yes
[0:25] <bardzusny> And The Gods Made Love...
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[0:26] <RITRedbeard> Is this Love Or Confusion?
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[0:26] <zgreg> _inc: do you remember what kind of errors?
[0:26] <_inc> DJF5: I was trying to get something a bit less resource heavy than x based wm's, might just stay in terminal
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[0:27] <zgreg> _inc: or was that with old firmware/kernel?
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[0:27] <bardzusny> May This Be Love...
[0:27] <DJF5> _inc: I can imagine, although i don't think i can help you with this pi/tmux-specific problem though...
[0:28] <_inc> zgreg: its rebooted, i had (from memory) mmc failed to write. something about a controller and mmc not released
[0:28] <_inc> sorry
[0:28] <_inc> i rebooted and got a colour test in POST
[0:28] <_inc> so I imagine it worked
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[0:29] <zgreg> _inc: did you update from a somewhat older version of the firmware?
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[0:30] <zgreg> well, in any case, if the current version of the firmware works fine, it's all good
[0:30] <_inc> i just got the pi today so sorry if i can't answer :)
[0:30] <_inc> umm
[0:31] <ReggieUK> I've just gpio-keys-polled working on the pi
[0:31] <_inc> i got todays hexxeh img of raspbian
[0:31] <_inc> set it up a bit
[0:31] <_inc> then rip-update
[0:33] <zgreg> todays's image? there's a new one?
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[0:34] <_inc> no i mean whatever is up as of today
[0:34] <_inc> sorry
[0:34] <RITRedbeard> Castles Made Of Pi, floats into the sea... eventually
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[0:35] <_inc> zgreg: i just got the pi so i haven't really got that familiar with things
[0:35] <MikeL> I got mine this morning :P
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[0:37] <zgreg> _inc: ah, okay
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[0:38] <zgreg> _inc: it's just that I am working a bit on the SD drivers to ensure good compatibility and performance
[0:38] <_inc> MikeL: UK/Parcelforce?
[0:38] <_inc> zgreg: i had a play with my fiends pi and that hates my sd
[0:38] <bardzusny> Hey Joe, where you goin' with that Pi in your hand?
[0:39] <zgreg> even with newest firmware and kernel?
[0:39] <RITRedbeard> Goin up to pi my old lady, caught her messin' round with another SoC, ain't too cooooool
[0:39] <_inc> zgreg: about 3/4 weeks ago.
[0:39] <zgreg> _inc: oh, a lot changed in that timeframe
[0:40] <_inc> zgreg: i'll ping you if i can reproduce it on the current builds
[0:40] <zgreg> most cards that didn't work should work now
[0:40] <zgreg> and read/write performance is much better overall
[0:40] <_inc> even my 5year old kingston 1gb?
[0:40] <zgreg> probably
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[0:40] <_inc> yea i did this firmware upgrade and shot through post
[0:41] <_inc> i log in faster too :)
[0:41] <zgreg> well, at least from the *kernel* side, compatibility should now be very good
[0:42] <zgreg> but if the firmware fails to boot the kernel, that's a different issue (i.e. if you get just a black screen, or the rainbow of death)
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[0:42] <bardzusny> Somewhere a queen is weeping // Somewhere a king has no wife // And the wind, it cries Pi...
[0:43] <buzzkill> bardzusny: You shook me allllll Pi long
[0:43] <DJF5> What'll you do when you get lonely
[0:43] <DJF5> And nobody's waiting by your side?
[0:43] <DJF5> You've been running and hiding much too long.
[0:43] <DJF5> You know it's just your foolish pride.
[0:43] <DJF5> Ooohhh Pi, you've got me on my knees.
[0:43] <DJF5> Oohhh Pi, I'm begging, darling please.
[0:44] <RITRedbeard> Taste so good, make a grown man cry, Sweet Cherry Pi!
[0:44] <RITRedbeard> 8)
[0:44] <RITRedbeard> poor jani lane :(
[0:44] <bardzusny> Pi: around the world - around the world
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[0:46] <MikeL> If you wanna be my lover you've gotta get with my Pi
[0:46] <bardzusny> You've got to have a P-I if you want to be with M-E
[0:46] <DJF5> All around the world, I feel dutiful... Take a Pi, cause life is beautifull
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[0:47] <mcfundash> wuuuuuuuuuttt
[0:47] <MikeL> So
[0:47] <buzzkill> how much is that Pi in the window?... the one with the network interface?
[0:47] <mcfundash> lol
[0:47] <MikeL> is there any remote desktop type stuff I can use to controll my pi without all this hassle of swapping mice? :P
[0:48] <DJF5> Caaaaannnn you feeeeeeeel the Pi toniiiiiiight...
[0:48] <bardzusny> MikeL: vnc-server/x11vnc
[0:48] <buzzkill> MikeL: vnc
[0:48] <MikeL> ah thanks
[0:48] <reider59> how much is that pi in the window, the one with all the fans stood outside
[0:48] <MikeL> shoulda looked up vnc :P
[0:49] <buzzkill> "No more, Mr. Nice Pi" -- Alice Coo'pi'er
[0:49] <DJF5> :D
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[0:50] <buzzkill> "R-A-S-P-B-I-A-N" -- Aretha "I love my Pi" Franklin
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[0:50] <DJF5> We're no strangers to love
[0:50] <DJF5> You know the rules and so do I
[0:50] <DJF5> A full commitment's what I'm thinking of
[0:50] <DJF5> You wouldn't get this from any other Pi
[0:51] <DJF5> Never gonna give you up
[0:51] <DJF5> Never gonna let you down
[0:51] <buzzkill> OMG! Rick Rolled!
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[0:51] <buzzkill> DJF5: FTW!
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[0:51] <DJF5> I couldn't help myself ;) i just had to...
[0:52] <buzzkill> now, how can I work in ceiling cat to a Pi line...?
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[0:55] <reider59> We will, we will PI YOU.... You got mud on your face, big disgrace, kicking your CLI all over the place.......We will we will PI YOU, WE WILL PI YOU
[0:55] <reider59> nearly
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[0:56] <bardzusny> The Great Pi In The Sky
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[0:57] <_inc> pi rockets in flight
[0:57] <markbook> _inc: TMI
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[0:57] <_inc> :D
[0:59] <bardzusny> Another Pi In The Wall
[0:59] <MikeL> This is Raspberry Pi to ground control
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[1:00] <markbook> Scaramouche! Scaramouche! Will you do the Raspberry PI?!
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[1:02] <th0t> first boot ... ;-}
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[1:03] <th0t> i see power light and OK light
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[1:03] <markbook> Fire works! On the fourth of july, (Red white and BLUE!)
[1:03] <th0t> OK is lit (mostly) but goes off occasionally
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[1:04] <MikeL> anything come up on yor screen?
[1:04] <th0t> seems like hdmi-to-dvi out is not sync'ing though
[1:05] * jprvita is now known as jprvita|afk
[1:05] <th0t> i have my monitor with 2 inputs, switching from vga to dvi - but does not sync - may need to use dedicated monitor
[1:05] * Meatballs is now known as Meatballs|Away
[1:05] <th0t> also, wondering if should use the UART for boot messages, etc.
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[1:06] <trevorman> th0t: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#No_HDMI_output_at_all
[1:06] <th0t> trevorman: w0rd - checkts it
[1:06] <trevorman> my monitor doesn't reliably detect the signal unless I set config_hdmi_boost to 2 or highe
[1:06] <trevorman> r
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[1:06] <trevorman> rest of the time it either thinks there is no signal at all or I get a blank screen. very very occasionally it'll actually work.
[1:06] <trevorman> set config_hdmi_boost and its rock solid
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[1:07] <th0t> trevorman: yah, cool - let me try that! - thx
[1:07] <bardzusny> I don't mind you coming here // And wasting all my time // Cause' when you're booting oh so near // I kinda lose my mind
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[1:07] <root___> sweet
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[1:08] <MikeL> Is there a networ manager progam on debian?
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[1:08] <_inc_pi> hdtv irssi, so much more clarity
[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne> MikeL, yes
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[1:11] <th0t> trevorman: you also using hdmi-to-dvi? i see recommendation too for hdmi_group=2 and hdmi_mode=4 for resolving DVI issues.
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[1:12] <trevorman> th0t: I'm using a HDMI to DVI cable yes. Those other settings force the resolution. Its usually not necessary.
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[1:12] <th0t> trevorman: thx, i'll try just the config_hdmi_boost to begin with then - let you know in a sec ;-}
[1:13] <_inc> errrr silly question, how do i detach tmux screen
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[1:17] <MikeL> man i really need a kvm for my pc and pi keep confuding which is what
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[1:17] <MikeL> and this tiny htpc keyboard/mouse reall doesnt help
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[1:21] <_inc> OpenSiri
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[1:24] <Cromulent> so I bought an SD card for my rasperrry pi and installed Debian Linux onto it but it only shows about 4GBs available when the SD card is a 16GB card - does anyone know what might cause this?
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[1:25] <trevorman> the disk image was made on a 4GB card
[1:25] <trevorman> you need to expand the partition to fill the rest of your card
[1:26] <Cromulent> trevorman, ah that explains it thanks :)
[1:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Cromulent, you need to embiggen it.
[1:29] <MikeL> ah
[1:29] <MikeL> stole a low power mice off my brother
[1:29] <MikeL> seems to be working properly now
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[1:31] <_inc_pi> i like this irssi on the big screen
[1:31] <MikeL> could over drawing on the USB ports cause a problem with the network?
[1:31] <trevorman> lol ShiftPlusOne
[1:31] <_inc_pi> judt need to change over my router now so i can dyndns and shell into one instance
[1:32] <ShiftPlusOne> trevorman, glad someone got it =)
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[1:33] <_inc> is PiBot running on a pi?
[1:33] <trevorman> no
[1:33] <MikeL> shame :P
[1:34] <_inc> :(
[1:34] <trevorman> rename it to NotActuallyAPiBot as everybody asks that question
[1:34] <_inc> LieBot
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[1:37] * ShiftPlusOne slaps PiBot across its imposter face.
[1:38] <bardzusny> don't abuse bots
[1:39] <bardzusny> they always mean good
[1:39] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, you shut your harlot mouth.
[1:39] <RITRedbeard> When men are talking.
[1:39] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[1:39] <ReggieUK> steady now :)
[1:39] * RITRedbeard hitches up his britches, by his thumbs
[1:39] <zgreg> [ 9.138490] mmc1: error -22 whilst initialising SD card
[1:39] <zgreg> [ 9.155540] mmc1: host doesn't support card's voltages
[1:39] <zgreg> heh, doesn't work yet ;)
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[1:40] <ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, I got gpio-keys-polled working :)
[1:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I saw, works well?
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[1:40] <ReggieUK> seems to
[1:40] <ReggieUK> haven't wired anythign up properly yet
[1:40] <ReggieUK> too lazy
[1:40] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[1:40] <ReggieUK> just got a wire going from gpio4 into a spare hole in the breadboard
[1:41] <ReggieUK> touching it is enough to illicit a key input :D
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, what more do you need. How does it know what the input event is?
[1:41] <ReggieUK> which is currently set to enter
[1:41] <ReggieUK> I had to enable evdev
[1:41] <ReggieUK> well, I built it into the kernel because I was lazy
[1:42] <ReggieUK> as it was enabled as a module
[1:42] <ShiftPlusOne> got it
[1:42] <ReggieUK> just seeing what I need to do to add a mouse
[1:42] <ReggieUK> seems a lot easier
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[1:44] <MikeL> is working under logging in with root not recomended?
[1:45] <MikeL> umm
[1:45] <MikeL> let me rephrase that
[1:45] <MikeL> is logging in with root recomended?
[1:45] <th0t> trevorman: tried the other options too - hdmi_force_hotplug=1, hdmi_group=2, hdmi_mode=41 (1400x1050) - still no luck - probably need a dedicated monitor or better monitor that sync's - i do have ssh now tho
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[1:45] <bardzusny> root should be only used when you actually need it
[1:45] <trevorman> you're not really supposed to do any day to day tasks as root. make a user for yourself and only use root when necessary for maintenance or admin.
[1:46] <bardzusny> some software will even refuse to start from root account (like vlc)
[1:46] <trevorman> th0t: hmm. have you tried updating the bootloader files + kernel?
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[1:47] <trevorman> th0t: it should work with your monitor. you don't need a monitor that only has a single HDMI/DVI input.
[1:47] <th0t> trevorman: no, this is still the 2012-04-29 image
[1:47] <trevorman> th0t: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[1:47] <th0t> trevorman: nothing else has been updated or anything - my first boot
[1:48] <th0t> ok, let me update firmware and try
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[2:04] <MikeL> that feel when a coputer powers a computer
[2:04] <MikeL> computer*
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[2:05] <IT_Sean> The Germans have got a word for that, but it's got thirty-seven syllables.
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[2:08] <shirro> This could be handy for porting some stuff to the Pi, an opengl1.3 wrapper for gles http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/06/i-have-ported-xscreensaver-to-the-iphone/
[2:11] <zgreg> [ 6.915181] mmc1: new SD card on SPI
[2:11] <zgreg> [ 6.925068] mmcblk1: mmc1:0000 SD 952 MiB
[2:11] <zgreg> [ 6.980481] mmcblk1: p1
[2:11] <zgreg> it works :)
[2:11] <zgreg> I was bored, so I built an SPI SD card interface
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[2:12] <zgreg> /dev/mmcblk1: Timing buffered disk reads: 2 MB in 11.74 seconds = 174.48 kB/sec
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[2:13] <zgreg> what powerful bitbanging!
[2:13] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: neat!
[2:13] <th0t> school me a bit please ;-} how do i 'git' https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot - tried git clone, but no luck
[2:13] <SpeedEvil> zgreg: what sort of speeds?
[2:13] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: I posted that above, about 175 kb/sec
[2:14] <SpeedEvil> ah
[2:14] * SpeedEvil fails reading at this time of night.
[2:14] <zgreg> it's a bit strange because I set the SPI bitrate to 1 MHz, but I don't know what the spi-gpio driver makes out of that
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[2:20] <th0t> git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[2:20] <th0t> this hangs - erm, i don't use git - am i "doing it wrong" <heh>
[2:21] <neofutur> perhaps you need to open git port in firewall
[2:21] <neofutur> port 9418
[2:22] <bardzusny> git clone git://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware.git
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[2:22] <th0t> i have http_proxy set - need to use corporate proxy
[2:23] <th0t> so, it should just use my proxy... hm, might just try and download it as a tar.gz
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[2:25] <th0t> download 95.7 MB tarball - oh boy
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[2:36] <th0t> trevorman: w00w00 - updated kernel/etc fixed HDMI-DVI issue - got vidz - thx again main
[2:36] <th0t> thx again *man*
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[2:38] <trench> mythos: ?
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[2:47] <mpthompson> I finally got around to trying some browsers on the Raspberry Pi. Yipes. Is it generally assumed the Raspberry Pi isn't going to be used for browsing the Internet? I've tried Midori and IceWeasel under Raspbian. Unfortunately, no working Chromium yet to try.
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[2:47] <IT_Sean> Yeah, it's not really going to be good at web browsing, at the moment
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[2:49] <mpthompson> OK. Early on with Raspbian people were really wanting the browsers built, but I haven't heard much mention of them lately. I guess I know why now. I guess everyone's moved onto doing other things.
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[2:49] <friggle> the raspberry pi website is particularly bad
[2:49] <friggle> I haven't found it comes to a grinding halt even on that though, as far as I remember
[2:50] <friggle> it's not exactly a snappy browsing experience certainly
[2:50] <mpthompson> Yeah... It kept crashing Midori on me. Or it became so slow it looked like the whole system locked up.
[2:50] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=8837
[2:50] <rvalles> midori -> whole system
[2:50] <rvalles> (For me)
[2:50] <rvalles> stops responding pings
[2:51] <three14> fwiw, even with accelerated x and a modest boost of 200MHz, it probably won't browse modern websites well either.
[2:51] <slacker> yep, me too, plays videos well though, im not planning on web browsing with it, that best for tablets these days
[2:51] <friggle> well compare the specs to the iphone 3g. There's no reason it can't do better than that
[2:52] <mpthompson> I can use Midori to view the Raspbian.org wiki, but that's not particularly demanding. No chance with www.raspberrypi.org.
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[2:52] <mpthompson> friggle, I agree. I use my iPhone 3G and it isn't the best browsing experience, but at least it works OK for 90% of things I point it towards.
[2:52] <three14> pretty sure browsing on ios has a few tricks involved.
[2:52] * zgreg remembers that people didn't want to believe when I said the rpi will not make a good browsing machine
[2:53] <three14> my 3gs is like butter on pretty much any website.
[2:53] <three14> zgreg pops in for the 'i told you so' comment. haha
[2:53] <friggle> mpthompson: how long does it take you to load e.g. guardian.co.uk?
[2:53] <zgreg> many websites have mobile versions, and they're usually stripped down quite a lot
[2:54] <mpthompson> Something I noticed is that Midori hit swap pretty hard when viewing web sites, even though there was about 128MB free or RAM when I started it up. It must be allocated an insane amount of memory space.
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[2:54] <three14> zgreg, but even with a desktop version of the website, how does the 3gs do it? doesx it take snapshot of the page at a time and process/render them in some special way?
[2:55] <mpthompson> friggle, let me give it a try...
[2:55] <zgreg> mpthompson: IMHO it makes good sense to reduce swappiness a whole lot when swapping to slow-to-write SD cards
[2:55] <mpthompson> zgreg, do you have a link on setting swappiness?
[2:55] <friggle> mpthompson: from my last test, I had content and could start to scroll after 13s, "done" after 25s
[2:55] <mpthompson> Or, I can look it up.
[2:55] <friggle> that was probably a 224MB memory split
[2:55] <zgreg> mpthompson: sysctl vm.swappiness
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[2:56] <friggle> and I had raspberrypi.org completing in about 15 seconds
[2:56] <friggle> but the front page may have some massive images or something at the moment
[2:56] <friggle> en.wikipedia.org: 8 seconds
[2:56] <zgreg> three14: well, the UI is completely and very efficiently accelerated
[2:56] <zgreg> three14: so scrolling is usually smooth, yeah
[2:57] <zgreg> three14: but the 3GS is also quite a bit faster than the pi
[2:57] <mpthompson> zgreg, is setting of 0 for vm.swappiness a good value?
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[2:57] <cehteh> if you dont have zram then yes
[2:57] <cehteh> other way around if you have zram then set it to 100
[2:57] <three14> zgreg, if you scroll quickly down a page on mobile safari, you'll notice it has to finish loading what look like tiles. not sure how to explain, or even how to perceive it.
[2:58] <mpthompson> I think my iPhone 3G is about the same specs as the Pi, except it only has 64M of memory (i think).
[2:58] <three14> 128, iirc
[2:58] <friggle> mpthompson: yeah, iphone 3g is an arm1176 and clocked lower
[2:58] <neofutur> lspci
[2:58] <neofutur> pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci
[2:58] <friggle> mpthompson: so we should be able to do better than an iphone 3g, probably not as well as 3gs due to its newer armv7 core
[2:58] <neofutur> lspci: Cannot find any working access method.
[2:58] <zgreg> mpthompson: I'm not an expert on that, but I think that might be a bit too much.
[2:58] <neofutur> lspci eont work on the raspberry pi ?
[2:59] <slacker> apple team V. pi team
[2:59] <zgreg> mpthompson: with swappiness set to 0, swap will only be used as the very last resort, after all caches and buffers have been cleared
[2:59] <zgreg> mpthompson: and that's bad for performance, too
[2:59] <mpthompson> vm.swappiness by default is set to 60. So I should try it something less than 60, but not at 0?
[3:00] <mpthompson> I'll try 30.
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[3:00] * cehteh urges everyone to use zram :P
[3:01] <cehteh> zgreg: vfs_cache_pressure to 0 has also some ugly side effects :)
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[3:01] <zgreg> neofutur: why would lspci work?
[3:02] <zgreg> neofutur: there is no PCI bus
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[3:02] <mpthompson> friggle, my times for guardian.co.uk were roughly what you described.
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[3:03] <three14> try this on the pi with firefox: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CHcQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chiptune.com%2Fstarfield%2Fstarfield.html&ei=4yDhT8CJG8aH0QGGtdW5Dg&usg=AFQjCNELBDpdSWpQvAb7k1pyuVjVRABYoQ&sig2=qPVIRzrFSADL8MgysN1mAw
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[3:03] <three14> sorry, this: http://www.chiptune.com/starfield/starfield.html
[3:03] <friggle> iceweasel does not run at all well on the pi
[3:03] <three14> should give her a workout
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[3:04] <mpthompson> I de-installed IceWeasel. Wasn't even worth the effort it was so slow for me.
[3:04] * ReggieUK has just written a gpio-mouse driver to go with the gpio-keys driver
[3:04] <bardzusny> guys, try dillo
[3:04] <friggle> bardzusny: well sure, dillo is fast but lacks quite some functionality :)
[3:05] <friggle> netsurf isn't as speedy as I had hoped
[3:05] <zgreg> no, try netsurf
[3:05] <zgreg> friggle: yes, I found that strange as well
[3:05] <zgreg> but it doesn't use much memory
[3:05] <bardzusny> you're right, forget about dillo
[3:05] <bardzusny> lynx is better
[3:06] <friggle> bardzusny: dillo is great for browsing local documentation though. Typically very simple html and loads super quick
[3:06] <mpthompson> lynx? Are you being sarcastic? ;-)
[3:06] <bardzusny> a bit :)
[3:06] <IT_Sean> But not entirely? :p
[3:07] <friggle> just use telnet
[3:07] <bardzusny> actually, forget lynx
[3:07] <bardzusny> netcat
[3:07] <bardzusny> is the way to go
[3:07] <mpthompson> If dillo is fast, at least that's a place to start from... Perhaps the developers just need more time to flesh out the features.
[3:07] * IT_Sean suggests browsing the innernet via semaphore flags
[3:07] <bardzusny> I'm actually wondering if dillo changed since last time I gave it a go
[3:08] * bardzusny makes that up now
[3:09] <bardzusny> netsurf is better, you say?
[3:09] <three14> firefox was almost useable until i got to about 25 tabs worth of modern websites, then there was about a 3sec delay between mouse movements. But this was with 256MB zram swap and a 256MB swap partition on the sdcard.
[3:10] <bardzusny> 25 tabs worth of modern websites, lol
[3:10] <three14> p.s. 'almost useable' = if it was the end of the world and needed to know how to sew, it'd suffice.
[3:10] <mpthompson> three14, 25 tabs???
[3:10] <friggle> mpthompson: netsurf sees much more active development
[3:10] <bardzusny> my notebook would have problems with 1/3 of that
[3:10] <friggle> mpthompson: but I suspect there's more gains to be had in a nice customised webkit build
[3:10] <mpthompson> I'm looking up netsurf now.
[3:10] <IT_Sean> Why would even have that many tabs open!?
[3:10] <DaQatz> New versions of firefox actually use less memory then midori.
[3:10] <three14> the cpu was pegged the entire time
[3:11] <friggle> mpthompson: and firefox's fennec may not be so bad.
[3:11] <three14> either due to rendering, or zram usage or both
[3:11] <mpthompson> I did notice that IceWeasel/Firefox did peg the CPU even when just standing idle.
[3:11] <friggle> mpthompson: I know some mozilla guys have boards and have been playing. They've been keeping quiet, but they may have some luck hooking up some hardware accel
[3:11] <friggle> they strip a lot out for fennec as I understand it
[3:11] <mpthompson> I'm not using zram, but I will give it a try.
[3:12] <mpthompson> friggle, that would be awesome if they came up with a reasonable solution...
[3:12] <bardzusny> it may not be a politically correct thing to say...but gecko is just fat
[3:12] <mpthompson> I think that's how things will generally get done well for the Pi. People taking an interest and making something work.
[3:13] <friggle> mpthompson: you bet :) there are a number of people working in the area, and I do keep prodding and making sure people are aware of other's work where necessary
[3:13] <mpthompson> I can't wait until there are 1 million Pis out there. Some very interesting things will be done when it falls into the right hands.
[3:13] <bardzusny> with 256mb of ram and such cpu I wouldn't expect miracles
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[3:13] <friggle> I'm at QTCS the next few days, hoping to get the lowdown on qt+webkit+accel
[3:14] <bardzusny> I mean, it's magnitudes slower than most smartphones
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[3:14] <friggle> bardzusny: it's a challenge
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[3:14] <friggle> bardzusny: and as we've commented, actually rather well specced compared to the iphone 3g
[3:14] <three14> smartphones have custom tailored UIs. i suppose if you want to fork nearly everything for the Pi, that'd help
[3:14] <mpthompson> I don't expect miracles. But kids need to be able to browse the web to look up documentation and what others are doing.
[3:14] <three14> but i don't have the money for such donations
[3:15] <bardzusny> compared to P2 my notebook is fast :p
[3:15] <three14> mpthompson, i think with accelerated X, it'd improve it enough that you could browse basic stereotypical linux documentation sites.
[3:16] <mpthompson> I've been happy with the MATE test build I've created. People said it wouldn't work, but I positive aspects of MATE/Gnome 2 outweigh the negatives in terms of speed and memory.
[3:16] <bardzusny> I support all of that, but full browser working at decent speed with more than one tab looks ambitious
[3:16] <friggle> mpthompson: the fact lxpanel/openbox (whichever is responsible) doesn't seem to support startup notifications is certainly both annoying and a usability issue
[3:17] <friggle> so I'm looking forward to giving mate a try
[3:17] <mpthompson> startup notifications?
[3:17] <friggle> mpthompson: spinning cursor or whatever when you launch a program
[3:18] <friggle> mpthompson: and as many programs take a little while to launch on the pi, this is a pain. YOu can of course just look at the cpu graph in the bottom right and see it really is doing something
[3:18] <mpthompson> Actually, I'm not seeing that in MATE either. It is a bit annoying.
[3:18] <three14> at this point you might as well make the default cursor in X a spinning hourglass. ;)
[3:18] <mpthompson> But, you do see a "Starting appXXX..." tab on the bottom.
[3:19] <bardzusny> getting back to netsurf, it's actually slower for me than chrome :surprise:
[3:19] <friggle> mpthompson: do you have libstartup-notification installed?
[3:19] <bardzusny> probably takes less memory though
[3:20] <mpthompson> friggle, let me look. I'm actually rarely ever use Linux in a GUI mode so a lot of the Gnome stuff is a bit new to me.
[3:21] <friggle> mpthompson: I'm more of a dwm man myself :)
[3:22] <MikeL> wooo! just set up ssh :P
[3:22] <mpthompson> I've just been using putty for pretty much everything for years. If I want graphics, I just use Windows...
[3:22] <MikeL> least i achived something today :P
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[3:22] <IT_Sean> O_o
[3:24] <mpthompson> friggle, yeah, startup notification is installed... I guess that's how MATE puts up it's startup tab for the apps that use that API.
[3:24] <friggle> mpthompson: yeah, certainly better than nothing
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[3:25] <mpthompson> Now that I'm getting into GUIs with Raspbian, I've been using Synergy to share my PC keyboard/mouse. Works great. I don't have to worry about USB issues I've been struggling with either.
[3:25] <MikeL> For telnet shuold i just do apt-get install telnet?
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[3:26] <mpthompson> MikeL, that should work if telnet isn't already installed.
[3:26] * blkhawk is now known as blkaway
[3:26] <MikeL> ah seems to work
[3:27] <MikeL> watching telnet star wars because i can
[3:28] <three14> MikeL how's that work?
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[3:28] <MikeL> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[3:28] <aaa801> FML
[3:28] <MikeL> ascii i should say :P
[3:28] <aaa801> i may of just worked on a goverment laptop
[3:28] <aaa801> D:
[3:28] <three14> ooooh, i thought you were watching a video locally and using aalib or something.
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[3:29] <three14> which reminds me, what ever happened to aalib?
[3:29] <MikeL> nah im not that cool :/
[3:29] <mpthompson> friggle, does your Debian wheezy image include access to a working Chromium via apt-get?
[3:29] <three14> aalib: Apr 25 2001 Version 1.4rc4 released.
[3:29] <three14> lol
[3:29] <three14> never hit the magic 1.5, i suppose.
[3:31] <reider59> Just downloading chromium on Debian wheezy beta now, soon tell you
[3:31] <arthurdent> still haven't gotten my Edimax adapter working in arch or debian
[3:31] <slacker> MikeL, nice one.
[3:32] <bardzusny> arthurdent: what chipset is it?
[3:32] <arthurdent> rtl8188cus
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[3:32] <arthurdent> trust me, i've already done a lot of googling and following wiki instructions
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[3:32] <mpthompson> reider59, I would be interested to hear how it works. We've been struggling to build a working version for Raspbian.
[3:32] <arthurdent> the problem is that I can't get a version that will compile on 3.1.9-22
[3:33] <reider59> no, some packages could not be installed.
[3:33] <three14> chromium worked like hell for me in debian squeeze (i think it was squeeze)
[3:33] <reider59> worked for me in Squeeze but this Wheezy is a beta
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[3:34] <bardzusny> arthudrent: but drivers are already in kernel, why compiling?
[3:34] <reider59> It will get sorted
[3:34] <three14> pretty much the same story as firefox and midori, no accelerated X.
[3:35] <arthurdent> bardzusny: because it won't show up in ifconfig -a
[3:35] <bardzusny> arthurdent: of course you installed firmware
[3:36] <arthurdent> ?
[3:36] <mpthompson> Hey, netsurf is not too bad at all. Handles www.raspberrypi.org MUCH better than Midori.
[3:36] <bardzusny> arthurdent: what is your distro? debian?
[3:36] <arthurdent> bardzusny: the module is definitely there, it's just not working.
[3:36] <arthurdent> bardzusny: arch
[3:36] <DaQatz> Surf is pretty lightwight
[3:36] <arthurdent> tried debian too, it had even bigger problems
[3:36] <DaQatz> ANd supports a lot.
[3:36] <bardzusny> in debian package is called firmware-realtek
[3:36] <DaQatz> Mind you it uses webkit
[3:37] <bardzusny> you can download it and extract firmware file you need
[3:37] <reider59> Surf gets your whites bright too ;-)
[3:37] <arthurdent> I don't see it in arch
[3:37] <bardzusny> also, try "dmesg" - somewhere it will be looking for firmware file
[3:37] <bardzusny> (guessing)
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[3:37] <arthurdent> bardzusny: yeah I've been working on this for a couple days
[3:38] <arthurdent> I'm close but having trouble compiling, and every pre-compiled driver i've found is for the wrong kernel :/
[3:38] <bardzusny> driver is included in your kernel
[3:38] <mpthompson> So far, NetSurf is the best thing I've found (after three minutes of using it).
[3:38] <arthurdent> bardzusny: the adapter shows up in dmesg and lsusb but not in ifconfig.
[3:38] <bardzusny> mpthompson++, netsurf seems fine alternative for *normal* browsers
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[3:39] <reider59> Thanks, not tried that yet. Just setting up my WiFi adapter
[3:39] <bardzusny> arthurdent: can you paste dmesg output somewhere like pastie.org?
[3:39] <arthurdent> hmm
[3:39] <reider59> Got it working but had to change Wired and WiFi to STATIC instead of DHCP
[3:40] <arthurdent> bardzusny: for rtl8192cu (the kernel module) or 8192cu the one that is for the wrong kernel?
[3:40] <bardzusny> just regular 3.1.9 kernel please
[3:40] <bardzusny> it must be in there
[3:41] <arthurdent> ok, i'll need to unblacklist it and get it running
[3:41] <reider59> which adapter is it?
[3:42] <arthurdent> Edimax
[3:42] <bardzusny> rtl8188cus
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[3:42] <reider59> Deb Squeeze or Wheezy?
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[3:43] <bardzusny> I'm quite sure it's missing firmware (otherwise you would remember installing it)
[3:43] <hotwings> looks like newark is ready to send my second rpi but since my cc expiration changed, they put a hold on it.. hmmm, should i keep the order or let it go?
[3:44] <mikey_w> Send it to me.
[3:44] <reider59> Theres a script to install it in one of the forum threads. Just set the same one up here in Debian wheezy beta
[3:44] <arthurdent> reider59: arch
[3:44] <reider59> ahhhh
[3:44] <reider59> gotcha
[3:44] <arthurdent> i tried the script, it didn't behave
[3:44] <arthurdent> tried to put things in the wrong place, etc.
[3:44] <bardzusny> what script you guys talking about?
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[3:45] <reider59> It worked in Debian Squeeze for me until I updated. then I left it because I wanted Wheezy anyway, now the script works for that too.
[3:45] <bardzusny> arthurdent: http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-realtek
[3:46] <bardzusny> download that, unpack, copy all files in lib/firmware to your arch
[3:46] <reider59> One for the Edimax 7811Un and a few others using the rtl8192cus drivers
[3:46] <bardzusny> Can you bless me with url? I'd love to take a look.
[3:47] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256
[3:47] <bardzusny> thanks
[3:47] <bardzusny> hmm
[3:48] <reider59> np, go to the last page for the up to date drivers they used
[3:48] <reider59> well, page 8/9 ish
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[3:48] <arthurdent> bardzusny: http://pastie.org/4117916
[3:49] <bardzusny> arthurdent: that's not all is it?
[3:49] <arthurdent> that's all that appears when I plug in the device
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[3:50] <arthurdent> bardzusny: http://pastie.org/4117923 here is the whole thing if you really want it
[3:51] <reider59> Netsurf is quite rapid in Wheezy beta, nice one
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[3:53] <mpthompson> reider59, I agree. It's a keeper until I hear of something else that may be better.
[3:53] <bardzusny> arthurdent: how did this script fail exactly?
[3:53] <arthurdent> what script?
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[3:53] <three14> wifi
[3:54] <arthurdent> what wifi script?
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[3:54] <three14> the one from the forums that didn't work
[3:54] <three14> the one that put things in the wrong place
[3:54] <bardzusny> yup
[3:55] <arthurdent> bardzusny: the script was made for debian and i'm using arch. some things are layed out differently, and so the files were trying to save themselves to directories that didn't exist
[3:55] <arthurdent> no mkdir -p or anything, it just flat-out said the target directories didn't exist
[3:55] * three14 is following along because he has yet to set up his Monoprice dongle that uses the same chipset.
[3:55] <bardzusny> like /usr/local/lib/firmware/?
[3:55] <arthurdent> yeah there is no firmware folder in arch
[3:56] <bardzusny> neither here in debian, lol
[3:56] <bardzusny> there is only /lib/firmware/
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[3:56] <arthurdent> well i'm not sure if that is where the script failed
[3:56] <arthurdent> i don't remember. i ran it two days ago
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[3:57] <arthurdent> bardzusny: ok i got the deb extracted, should i copy the files in /lib/firmware to /lib/firmware?
[3:57] <bardzusny> but it installed 8192cu kernel module?
[3:58] <bardzusny> arthurdent: that's generally the idea, but first can you check if they're already here?
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[3:58] <bardzusny> (probably not)
[3:58] <arthurdent> i don't remember, this is a fresh image
[3:58] <bardzusny> hmm
[3:58] <bardzusny> I think script is the way to go
[3:58] <arthurdent> the module that comes with the kernel is called rtl8192cu
[3:58] <arthurdent> and the one that you make is 8192cu and you have to blacklist the other one
[3:58] <bardzusny> most of it is generic network configuration, so skip it if you can do it by yourself
[3:59] <bardzusny> look at it and do these things yourself
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[3:59] <MikeL> Sorry to keep asking questions, but how do I get tightvnc to auto start?
[3:59] <arthurdent> but the make fails because apparently some type of variable or something is not allowed in the new kernel or in a new version of gcc or something. I really don't know.
[4:00] <bardzusny> MikeL: look at /etc/rc.local maybe
[4:00] <bardzusny> but don't run it as root
[4:00] <bardzusny> su -c vnc-server yourusername
[4:00] <bardzusny> (?)
[4:00] <reider59> I had a way to make it work but it occasionally failed, got another way I haven`t tried yet
[4:02] <reider59> Found it, check here; http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=7395
[4:02] <reider59> Not tried that way yet
[4:03] <bardzusny> http://pastie.org/4117988
[4:03] <bardzusny> arthurdent: ^
[4:03] <bardzusny> replicate these steps, just for /lib/firmware/
[4:04] <bardzusny> if this doesn't make wlan0 appear, then I don't know
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[4:06] <bardzusny> try also copying whole /lib/firmware/ from this deb package I gave you, but I don't think it will make any difference
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[4:07] <mano1979> hey guys, quick question. what are those thin ribbon cable connectors for?
[4:09] <arthurdent> bardzusny: what do I do with the firmware once it's in place? should it just work after i restart or something?
[4:09] <MikeL> are they for extending the ports?
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[4:09] <bardzusny> arthurdent: yup
[4:10] <arthurdent> k i'll give it a shot...
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[4:11] <mano1979> MikeL, i don't know. was accually hoping for an lcd interface
[4:12] <trevorman> mano1979: MIPI CSI and DSI
[4:13] <trevorman> CSI = camera DSI = display
[4:13] <arthurdent> bardzusny: nope
[4:13] <trevorman> we don't currently have drivers for either. you'll need to tailor the driver for each camera or display module though.
[4:13] <mano1979> ah i see
[4:14] <arthurdent> bardzusny: when i plugg in the device dmesg gets spammed with "rtlwifi: reg 0x30, usbctrl_vendorre TimeOut! status:0xffffffed value=0x200000
[4:14] <mano1979> that is a bit over my head i think
[4:15] <trevorman> what type of LCD you thinking of anyway? graphical or text?
[4:15] <mano1979> graphical
[4:15] <arthurdent> and it just segfaulted :/
[4:16] <mano1979> i have a projector lcd that i'd like to use
[4:16] <arthurdent> I'm starting to think maybe the raspberrypi will live next to the router instead of next to my TV :(
[4:16] <bardzusny> arthurdent: which driver?
[4:17] <arthurdent> bardzusny: I don't know, I assume rtl8192cu
[4:17] <trevorman> mano1979: if its DSI and you can get the datasheet for that LCD then you might be able to get it to work
[4:17] <bardzusny> arthurdent: http://pastie.org/4117988
[4:17] <trevorman> mano1979: if its anything else then you're going to have to find or make something to convert
[4:17] <bardzusny> replicate everything here please
[4:17] <bardzusny> except /lib/firmware/ instead of /usr/local/lib/firmware/
[4:17] <bardzusny> (I think that's the only difference)
[4:18] <arthurdent> ok i'll try it
[4:18] <arthurdent> should i start with a fresh arch image?
[4:19] <bardzusny> you shouldn't have to
[4:19] <mano1979> trevorman, i don't know if it's DSI but i have the data sheet
[4:20] <trevorman> it'll say on the datasheet
[4:20] <trevorman> probably isn't DSI as they're mostly in phones or media players
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[4:21] <three14> Ok, does anyone know who, or what group is working on an accelerated X driver (besides teh_orphan)?
[4:22] <mano1979> trevorman, http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/sony/a6801754.pdf
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[4:23] <arthurdent> bardzusny: where do i download the zip file for that driver
[4:24] <arthurdent> and is this going to work? it says it's for 3.1.9+ but i have 3.1.9-22-ARCH+
[4:25] <trevorman> mano1979: its not DSI. you'll need to make or find some kind of conversion circuit to make it work. if its a projector, it should already accept composite video? what happened to all of that circuitry
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[4:26] <mano1979> yeah composite would work but my projector has insufficient power
[4:26] <trevorman> insufficient power?
[4:27] <mano1979> not enough light
[4:27] <markbook> it needs 18.6 jiggawatts
[4:27] <mano1979> hahaha
[4:27] <mano1979> back to the future
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[4:28] <mano1979> so i'd figure that i could build my own projector based on the pi
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[4:31] <mano1979> trevorman, time for bed now. thanks for your help
[4:31] <trevorman> np
[4:31] <bardzusny> arthurdent: oops, I thought kernels were the same
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[4:31] <bardzusny> what's the name of directory in /lib/modules/?
[4:35] <arthurdent> what i just said~
[4:35] <arthurdent> 3.1.9-22-ARCH+
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[4:40] <bardzusny> man
[4:41] <arthurdent> ?
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[4:41] <bardzusny> well, I presume your own compiled driver for that kernel doesn't do a thing, even with everything in this pastie
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[4:42] <arthurdent> it wont even compile
[4:43] <arthurdent> fails almost immediately with error: field xmit_taslket has incomplete type
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[4:43] <arthurdent> in rtw_xmit.h
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[4:45] <bardzusny> how did you get your current driver?
[4:45] <bardzusny> (not the rtl one)
[4:45] <arthurdent> well someone precompiled it but it shows errors in dmesg that clearly suggest it was compiled against a different kernel
[4:47] <bardzusny> can't you borrow this kernel they're talking about? 3.1.9?
[4:47] * bardzusny would probably just use debian at this step, but hey...
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[4:50] <arthurdent> replacing the kernel seems like it would be a lot of work :/
[4:51] <arthurdent> the debian image is so unstable :/ it freezes when I plug in the adapter before I even do anything and it's segfaulted twice and I only had it installed for about an hour
[4:51] <arthurdent> kernel panicked twice*
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[4:53] <arthurdent> what is the best wireless usb stick for raspi that doesn't require a hub?
[4:54] <three14> none, probably
[4:54] <three14> usb is terrible on the Pi, no two ways about it
[4:54] <arthurdent> :(
[4:55] <three14> when i attempt to install my dongle, powered hub or not, khubd hangs using 30% cpu
[4:55] <three14> sometimes, like you, if it's plugged in, things hang for a bit, sometimes it doesn't even boot.
[4:55] <three14> remove the dongle, it boots
[4:55] <three14> using Raspbian here. Monoprice dongle, same chipset as you
[4:56] <arthurdent> 8188cus?
[4:56] <three14> yep
[4:56] <three14> as with you, the wlan0 interface is never created.
[4:57] <arthurdent> someone told me to buy this adapter. they said the raspi had good support for this chipset >_>
[4:57] <arthurdent> i wish i could remember who it was
[4:57] <three14> it should. apparently mine works out of the box with linux. adafruit even sells it to go with the beaglebone.
[4:58] <three14> arthurdent: http://www.adafruit.com/products/814
[4:59] <neofutur> rtl8192c ?
[4:59] <three14> cu, yes
[4:59] <neofutur> i have the same one, i can get the wlan0 interface
[4:59] <neofutur> but its not accepting any iwconfig commands
[4:59] <neofutur> you tried http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=6256 ?
[4:59] <arthurdent> neofutur: have you put it up with ifconfig wlan0 up
[4:59] <arthurdent> ?
[4:59] <neofutur> ah i ll try this ;)
[5:01] <neofutur> yes ;)
[5:01] * neofutur sends 1000 kisses to arthurdent
[5:02] <neofutur> arthurdent: if you have a bitcoin wallet i ll tip you 0.2 btc for this ;)
[5:02] <arthurdent> neofutur: did that really work?
[5:02] <neofutur> yes
[5:02] <three14> neofutur, i've tried everything. cannot get a wlan0 interface.
[5:02] <neofutur> I had it all setup, were just missing this ifconfig wlan0 up
[5:02] <arthurdent> i don't have a bitcoin wallet but I'd be more interested in knowing what steps you took to get teh wlan0 adapter to appear
[5:02] <neofutur> before iwconfig commands
[5:02] <neofutur> blacklisting the old module
[5:03] <three14> check
[5:03] <neofutur> echo "blacklist rtl8192cu" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[5:03] <three14> yep
[5:03] <neofutur> installing the new module
[5:03] <three14> yep
[5:03] <neofutur> I mostly followed
[5:03] <neofutur> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=6737
[5:03] <neofutur> dapting it to gentoo
[5:03] <arthurdent> oh so you're not on debian
[5:03] <arthurdent> neofutur: what kernel?
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[5:04] <three14> 3.1.9+, probably
[5:04] <neofutur> the default kernel from rpi-update
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[5:04] <neofutur> yes 3.1.9+
[5:04] <arthurdent> ah bummer :( there is no 3.1.9+ for the arch image :'(
[5:05] <neofutur> and on debian the script on http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=6256
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[5:05] <neofutur> should work ?
[5:06] <three14> neofutur, i am going to try this one more time.
[5:06] <three14> i'm undoing everything i've done previously to start fresh
[5:06] <passstab> why are we supposed to use brand name sd cards?
[5:06] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=8842
[5:07] <three14> ls
[5:07] <three14> damnit
[5:07] <ReggieUK> .
[5:07] <ReggieUK> ..
[5:08] <three14> ;)
[5:08] <ReggieUK> pixie_videos
[5:08] <ReggieUK> neofutur, did you see my post?
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[5:10] <ReggieUK> I've implemented a gpio-keys and gpio-mouse driver :)
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[5:13] <three14> neofutur, well, after trying all over again from scratch, i get "cat: /sys/class/net/wlan0/operstate: No such file or directory" when restarting network interfaces.
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[5:13] <three14> which is new to me, and that could be a good thing
[5:14] <neofutur> ReggieUK: wow good work !
[5:14] <neofutur> three14: theres an error on modprobe ?
[5:15] <three14> neofutur, it could very well be. according to lsmod, rtl8129cu is loaded, but it's blacklisted and i never manually loaded it.
[5:15] <three14> tried rmmodding it, but said it's in use, tried to force it, no luck
[5:16] <neofutur> afaik you dont want rtl8129cu
[5:16] <neofutur> blacklist it
[5:16] <three14> yea, i know, and did
[5:16] <neofutur> then reboot and be sure its not loaded
[5:16] <three14> wait...
[5:17] <ReggieUK> thanks :)
[5:17] <neofutur> ReggieUK: this means we could have keybord and mouse on the gpio extension, thus saving the usb ports for other things ?
[5:17] <ReggieUK> yup
[5:17] <three14> blacklist.conf lists 'blacklist rtl8192cu', but shouldn't it only be 'rtl8192cu'?
[5:17] <ReggieUK> although you would need a port expander to do it properly
[5:17] <ReggieUK> I think
[5:18] <neofutur> for sure it ewill be useful when the cables /hardware are available
[5:18] <arthurdent> three14: no, it's supposed to be blacklist i believe.
[5:18] <ReggieUK> the hardware is available :)
[5:18] <three14> arthurdent, changed it
[5:18] <three14> rebooting again
[5:18] <ReggieUK> there are quite a few drivers for i2c/spi port expanders in the kernel
[5:18] <neofutur> echo "blacklist rtl8192cu" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[5:18] <neofutur> for debian distro
[5:19] <ReggieUK> and there are also examples from other platforms of them being used like this too
[5:19] <three14> raspbian, but yea, that was the command i used originally
[5:19] <ReggieUK> so it would be very simple to implement our own versions
[5:21] <three14> ok, the module (rtl8192cu) continues to load. It's blacklisted and only 8192cu is listed in /etc/modules
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[5:21] <arthurdent> so have you tried to rmmod it?
[5:22] <three14> yep, won't let me, says it's loaded.
[5:22] <three14> even with -f
[5:22] <neofutur> cd /etc/; grep rtl8192cu * ; grep rtl8192cu */* ; grep rtl8192cu */*/*
[5:22] <cjbaird> "Hands up everyone who had their RPi delivery /stolen/ after waiting this long for it!" ... :I
[5:22] <neofutur> just incase there is still something
[5:23] <three14> it only sees the blacklisted mention of it
[5:24] <neofutur> (06:11) <@ ReggieUK> although you would need a port expander to do it properly
[5:24] <cjbaird> neo: try "grep -r rtl8192cu /etc" instead..
[5:24] <neofutur> any link to what this is / where i can order that ?
[5:24] <neofutur> cjbaird: I prefer to do it one level at a time ;)
[5:24] <neofutur> -r can take time
[5:25] <neofutur> three14: and you rebooted after blaklisting it ?
[5:25] <three14> twice now
[5:25] <Milos|Netbook> bootc: (3.2.20+): "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000008" uh oh.
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[5:25] <three14> i can't even modprobe 8192cu
[5:26] <ReggieUK> neofutur, not as such
[5:26] <ReggieUK> basically
[5:26] <arthurdent> three14: what happens
[5:26] <three14> ERROR: could not insert '8192cu': Invalid argument
[5:26] <ReggieUK> I looked at arch/arm/mach-davinci/board-da850-evm.c
[5:26] <three14> trying to run down the list of simple things first
[5:26] <ReggieUK> and it's using an i2c port expander
[5:26] <ReggieUK> but I have no idea what it is
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[5:27] <ReggieUK> but if you find out which device a da850 is, then you can find out which chip it's using as it's port expander :)
[5:27] <Milos|Netbook> bootc: here's a traceback if it has anything to do with your code: http://dpaste.com/761454/
[5:28] <Milos|Netbook> boot: the system kept working though so I dunno. It was while compiling iptables, anyway.
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[5:30] <Syliss> i wonder if anyone who is doing the lap dock system will make a 'streamlined' image for better usage
[5:31] <three14> seriously now, khubd is being a douche, 25% cpu use? really? i kill -9 it's ass and it comes right back. can't rmmod rtl8192cu either, just hangs.
[5:31] <Milos|Netbook> Haha, 25+20 USB is already using.
[5:31] <Milos|Netbook> :P
[5:31] <neofutur> three14: perhaps try booting ewithout the wifi dongle
[5:31] <neofutur> then cleaning it all, then rebooting with the dongle
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[5:32] <three14> i'll try again..
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[5:33] <ReggieUK> neofutur, http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/DaVinci_GIT_Linux_Kernel
[5:33] <ReggieUK> it's apparently an omap-l138
[5:33] <ReggieUK> so it's got to be a dev board
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[5:33] <ReggieUK> dm850
[5:34] <arthurdent> what is the easiest way to downgrade my kernel to 3.1.9+ in arch?
[5:35] <ReggieUK> neofutur, I Think it's using a MAX7310 chip
[5:36] <ReggieUK> according to this page:
[5:36] <ReggieUK> http://www.mail-archive.com/davinci-linux-open-source@linux.davincidsp.com/msg19938.html
[5:36] <ReggieUK> search for i2c gpio expanders
[5:37] <ReggieUK> oh or a TCA6416
[5:37] <ReggieUK> and some others by teh looks of it
[5:37] <neofutur> I ll have a look, now I have my wifi working i need more usb ports . . . or this ;)
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[5:37] <ReggieUK> well, don't forget, the gpio can't source much current, only 50ma
[5:37] <three14> heh, now it doesn't even boot. can't tell what's happening because it's headless. hooked up the hdmi cable to see but whatever is happening is happening too fast and my monitor can't see that there's an active display, or there's plain no display
[5:38] <ReggieUK> three14, serial console
[5:38] <ReggieUK> it's *always* outputting to the console at boot
[5:38] <three14> school kids are gonna be happier than pigs in sh*t to configure it. lmao
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[5:40] <ReggieUK> three14, mind your language please, self censorship with strs doesn't count!
[5:40] <ReggieUK> stars*
[5:40] <three14> sorry, ReggieUK et al., i am quite frustrated.
[5:41] <ReggieUK> no worries, it happens :)
[5:42] <ReggieUK> sooo, can anyone tell me, why, when the system has apparently 'halted', am I still able to tap a key on my gpio-keys key and see it come up on screen?
[5:43] <three14> hmm, so how does unplugging the pi, inserting a second sdcard, booting to check that the pi is ok, then powering off and putting back in the same card eneable it to boot this time?
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[5:44] <three14> 8129cu spits out crap tons of unknown symbol errors and disagrees about nearly everything
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[5:45] <three14> the good news is that rtl8192cu is no longer being loaded on it's own
[5:45] <neofutur> three14: you probably need to rebuild it with your kernel headers
[5:45] <three14> bad news is that 8192cu will not load.
[5:45] <three14> i suspected as much
[5:45] <neofutur> if you used the binary .ko file, its probably for the default rpi-update kernel
[5:46] <three14> i should be using the default rpi-update kernel
[5:46] <neofutur> i think so
[5:46] * neofutur pretty happy his gentoo uses the default rpi-update kernel
[5:46] <neofutur> makes many things more simple, and the rpi-update is good ;)
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[5:47] <arthurdent> arch doesnt :(
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[5:48] <three14> admittedly i do get confused with the whole 'which kernel is which' thing.
[5:48] <arthurdent> I still can
[5:48] <arthurdent> have trouble believing 3.1.9 and 3.1.9-22 are that much different :/
[5:49] <three14> alright, anyone have a link to the driver sources/howto/etc/
[5:49] <arthurdent> for?
[5:49] <three14> this hellishly difficult 8192cu
[5:50] <ReggieUK> g'night all
[5:50] <three14> 'night ReggieUK
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[5:51] <three14> actually, does anyone have a plain link to the current 8192cu.ko for the stock rpi-update kernel (3.1.9+)
[5:51] <arthurdent> three14: http://www.edimax.com/en/support_detail.php?pd_id=347&pl1_id=1&pl2_id=44#01 i believe this is the generic 8192cu source
[5:54] <three14> lol, looks like i shouldn't have rpi-updated today
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[5:58] <arthurdent> omg omg omg
[5:58] <arthurdent> i found a newer version of the kernel module and so far it hasn't errored during compilation
[5:59] <arthurdent> three14: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true
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[6:00] <three14> 3.4.2_3727?
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[6:01] <Hexxeh> RaYmAn: getting a transformer tomorrow :D
[6:01] <arthurdent> still going strong
[6:02] <three14> any idea how long the compile takes? it's bedtime soon for me
[6:02] <arthurdent> nope, but getting it going before you go to bed might be a good idea
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[6:03] * Xark ran an intensive GPU task all last night and today and my temperature gun only shows ~51 C on CPU chip (the hottest part on the board, stock speed). Not too bad. Next I need to do GPU+CPU stress test next (since while GPU is pegged the ARM load is only 0.1 or so).
[6:04] <arthurdent> might be worth it to overclock then
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[6:04] <arthurdent> of course i'm not really sure if the usb power could handle any increased voltage
[6:06] <Xark> arthurdent: I am fine running stock (if that was addressed to me). However, I wouldn't think it would matter significantly for input voltage.
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[6:06] <Xark> arthurdent: Might start needing cooling though, perhaps.
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[6:07] <arthurdent> three14: the module finished and i installed it
[6:08] <arthurdent> it's running and I still don't see wlan0 in ifconfig but i'm going to try rebooting
[6:08] <arthurdent> also it's worth it to note we're running different kernels and distros
[6:09] <arthurdent> OMG!
[6:09] <arthurdent> FINALLY
[6:10] <arthurdent> i can't believe i didn't try this before. i feel so stupid
[6:10] <three14> lol, wlan0 is there?
[6:10] <three14> ifconfig wlan0 up works?
[6:10] <arthurdent> yes! and yes!
[6:10] <three14> lol
[6:10] <three14> you need to make a forum post if you think it'd help others.
[6:10] <arthurdent> now i just gotta figure out wpa_supplicant, which I've never used before but I don't have x11 installed on here because it's going to be a headless server for now
[6:10] <arthurdent> that is a good idea
[6:12] <arthurdent> it was really quite simple, i just downloaded the latest linux drivers from the realtek website and ran make, and make install and blacklisted rtl8192cu (echo "blacklist rtl8192" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf) and then restarted and did ifconfig wlan0 up
[6:13] <three14> seems simple enough, did you have to make any changes to the makefile?
[6:13] <neofutur> (07:03) <+ three14> ifconfig wlan0 up works?
[6:13] <neofutur> (07:03) <+arthurden> yes! and yes!
[6:14] <neofutur> eh you forgot the same thing as I did ;)
[6:14] <arthurdent> neofutur: haha naw, the device wasn't even showing up in ifconfig before that
[6:14] <arthurdent> three14: nope
[6:15] <neofutur> so what were you missing ?
[6:16] <arthurdent> neofutur: i realized the kernel module i was trying to compile was labled as being from 2010
[6:16] <arthurdent> so i went to the realtek website instead of the edimax website
[6:17] <arthurdent> and downloaded one from two months ago instead of 2 years ago :P
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[6:22] <arthurdent> now i just gotta get wpa_supplicant working :/
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[6:33] <arthurdent> anyone have any idea what ioctl[SIOCSIWAP]: Operation not permitted means when i run wpa_supplicant?
[6:33] <arthurdent> I'm worried these drivers are not as compatible as I thought
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[6:38] <arthurdent> where does /etc/network/interface live in arch?
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[6:49] <Arch1mede> three14: do you have apt-file installed on raspbian?
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[7:05] <Arch1mede> Hexxeh: you gere by chance?
[7:05] <Arch1mede> err here
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[7:13] <zutto> is there any other softwares/distros to use rpi as media center other than xmbc?
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[7:32] <ollymorfik_> oh cool my pi shipped... hmm but newark charged me 50$... tax really 10$?
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[7:33] <arthurdent> ollymorfik_: you'll get refunded $8
[7:33] <arthurdent> the board + shipping is $42 it would seem
[7:33] <ollymorfik_> this a common occurance?
[7:33] <arthurdent> $35 + 7, so really a pretty good deal
[7:33] <arthurdent> plus you can never go wrong with 42
[7:34] * Xark hands arthurdent a towel. :)
[7:34] <kghost> my py is $49, 17% tax plus $5 service fee
[7:34] <arthurdent> ollymorfik_: yeah it happened to me
[7:34] <kghost> from element14
[7:34] <ollymorfik_> this is great i cant wait
[7:34] <arthurdent> kghost: what is the tax for? if it's VAT you shouldn'tve gotten charged, assuming you're from the US because you payed in $$
[7:34] <ollymorfik_> im just glad i put off paying my paypal debt till this charge hit
[7:35] <kghost> I'm in china
[7:35] <arthurdent> ollymorfik_: haha yeah i was a little surprised too. i went and contacted tech support and that is what they explained to me
[7:35] <ollymorfik_> riding the seat of my checking accounts pants
[7:35] <arthurdent> all the same i was under the wrong impression that I wouldn't be charged more than $5 for shipping
[7:35] <rm> ollymorfik_, when have you ordered?
[7:35] <arthurdent> kghost: oh i see
[7:35] <ollymorfik_> march 7
[7:35] <rm> whoa...
[7:36] <ollymorfik_> yea
[7:36] <kghost> I forgot $2 shipping
[7:36] <arthurdent> yeah i ordered mine whatever day it was released and recieved it a little over a week ago.
[7:37] <ollymorfik_> hm i should probably make an SD image now
[7:37] <kghost> arthurdent: me too, arrived 3 weeks ago
[7:40] <tashbear> hey all
[7:40] <ollymorfik_> somone fix the raspbmc script to df and not list the root drive mmkay i'd rather not see it the list
[7:41] <ollymorfik_> i might click it
[7:41] <rm> I wonder wtf can't they order 100 thousand R Pi's
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[7:41] <rm> looks like they get a ~1000 every week
[7:41] <arthurdent> it sounds like the manufacturing time is the problem
[7:41] <rm> and ship orders in a slow trickle
[7:41] <arthurdent> yu
[7:41] <arthurdent> yup*
[7:42] <ollymorfik_> ah the sd light is blinking that reassures me
[7:42] <arthurdent> really 1000 a week is a lot if you think about it.
[7:42] <arthurdent> i mean it's one every 10 minutes or so, but whatever :P
[7:49] <rm> a chinese could solder one per 10 minutes manually
[7:49] <arthurdent> rm: where were you born?
[7:49] <rm> supposedly they have pick/place robots and an assembly line with soldering etc
[7:49] <rm> why? :)
[7:50] <arthurdent> just curious if you're "a chinese" :P
[7:50] <arthurdent> or if you're just living there
[7:50] <rm> I'm in Russia
[7:50] <arthurdent> oh kghost was the person from china
[7:51] <arthurdent> i'm getting all confused here :P
[7:51] * ollymorfik_ happy dance
[7:51] <rm> I like China very much
[7:51] <arthurdent> yeah they do have robots because they say the solder points are too small for people
[7:52] <rm> the culture, the tea, and also how they make a lot of nice toys we can buy :P
[7:52] <rm> and I mean actually buy, not preorder and wait for months
[7:52] <arthurdent> :P
[7:52] <rm> (my MK802 already at the post office)
[7:52] <ollymorfik_> they're beeng industrialized we are being de-industrialized
[7:53] <arthurdent> too bad they work in places like foxxcon where there are nets outside the windows so they can't jump out and kill themselves
[7:53] <ollymorfik_> better learn to kiss "red" boots
[7:53] <ollymorfik_> cant compete with slave labor
[7:53] <arthurdent> that's messed up...
[7:54] <arthurdent> I always just think about how it could've been me born into slave labor
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[7:54] <ollymorfik_> you are a slave
[7:54] <arthurdent> to college loans maybe
[7:55] <arthurdent> but at least i know i'm happy without having someone try to convince me
[7:55] <ollymorfik_> property/income/garbage/water/sewerage taxes?
[7:55] * ollymorfik_ whip cracks back to work slave!!
[7:56] <ollymorfik_> and thats not half of it ;)
[7:56] <arthurdent> meh. if you think paying taxes makes you a slave, try imagining a world with no public services.
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[7:56] <ollymorfik_> http://i.imgur.com/xye2v.png
[7:57] <ollymorfik_> lul
[7:57] <arthurdent> heh
[7:57] <ollymorfik_> i have an a-data class 10
[7:58] <ollymorfik_> i could've swore people said class 10 is no good
[7:58] <mjr> people were grossly oversimplifying
[7:58] <Skrotus> there were problems with a lot of them
[7:58] <Skrotus> but I think most of those are fixed
[7:58] <ollymorfik_> lovely
[7:59] <ollymorfik_> well i have a class 4 somewhere
[7:59] <arthurdent> I'm not even sure what kind of card i have. it's just an 8GB sandisk or kingston... It's in the other room right now or i'd check
[7:59] <arthurdent> yaya ssh!
[7:59] <ollymorfik_> ew no a class 2 sandisk bleh
[7:59] <ollymorfik_> well class isnt set in stone
[8:00] <ollymorfik_> sometimes you get a good one
[8:00] <arthurdent> i bet classes are set the same way processors are
[8:01] <arthurdent> where they just cut a bunch of wafers and stress test them and then decide what speed of processor they are
[8:01] <ollymorfik_> yup
[8:02] <ollymorfik_> man i built up a wicked amount of paypal debt the past few weeks
[8:02] <arthurdent> seems kind of messed up once they perfect their processor manufacturing and they make more high-quality super expensive processors than cheap ones, but the demand is still going to be lower for the expensive ones
[8:02] <arthurdent> man debt is what makes you a slave
[8:02] <ollymorfik_> i cant help it ebay sniping is addictive
[8:02] <arthurdent> you should do the xkcd thing and autosnipe $1 items
[8:03] <ollymorfik_> too many people do that
[8:03] <ollymorfik_> i do everything manually
[8:03] <ollymorfik_> its such a damn rush
[8:03] <ollymorfik_> im still riding the rush from one a few hours earlier
[8:04] <arthurdent> with an addiction like that you may actually find drugs to be cheaper
[8:04] <ollymorfik_> awe yeah heart speeding up just thinking about it
[8:05] <ollymorfik_> nah man screw drugs this is better and you actually have something to show for it not fragmented memories
[8:05] <ollymorfik_> order supplies to make droogs lul!!
[8:06] <arthurdent> yeah you could have nice looking bongs and stuff to show people
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[8:08] <ollymorfik_> i bought something and sent it to this chick i now
[8:09] <ollymorfik_> surprise ;)
[8:09] <ollymorfik_> +10 points
[8:09] <zutto> inb4 mafia is at your door for unpaid debt
[8:09] <ollymorfik_> know*
[8:09] <ollymorfik_> no
[8:10] <arthurdent> the paypal mafia?
[8:10] <zutto> yes, the evil paypal mafia..
[8:10] <ollymorfik_> i thought about running my debt as high as possible and then running into the woods for the rest of my life ;)
[8:10] <zutto> ..the one that disables accounts whenever you have alot money collected in there and one person tries to scam you on ebay and recall their money >_<! that paypal
[8:10] <arthurdent> http://i.imgur.com/Nakfh.png
[8:10] <arthurdent> just happened upon this on reddit
[8:11] <lrvick> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197799_360004924064886_1144721250_n.jpg <-- mine is the naked one!
[8:11] <arthurdent> man I want a case but i feel weird about spending as much on the case than my pi...
[8:11] <zutto> i made case out of candy box
[8:11] <ollymorfik_> ill probably just encase mine with legos and felcro it to the back of the tv
[8:11] <arthurdent> for now it's just sitting on the static paper it came in
[8:11] <lrvick> arthurdent: I spent $3.50 on my case
[8:12] <ollymorfik_> doesnt matter what it looks like to me i wont be watching it
[8:12] <arthurdent> lrvick: i see no case
[8:12] <lrvick> arthurdent: I ended up with the green one
[8:12] <lrvick> arthurdent: we made all those cases in that pic at our lab from raw materials.
[8:12] <Skrotus> I made a punnet
[8:12] <ollymorfik_> like my arduino
[8:12] <Skrotus> but it didn't turn out so great
[8:13] <zutto> am i the only one with cooler on rpi?
[8:13] <lrvick> arthurdent: i just paid $3.50 for a 12x6" sheet of plexi and waterbury cut it for me
[8:13] <arthurdent> waterbury?
[8:13] <lrvick> he made all the cases except the dark blue one, which was printed on one of our 3d printers.
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[8:14] <BHSPiMonkey> waterbury: you should really play in the Waturbury Open this weekend
[8:14] <arthurdent> man I'd happily pay $10 plus the cheapest shipping to have one of those
[8:14] <lrvick> pm him if you want the design files he forked from adafruit (assuming you have access to a laser cutter)
[8:15] <ollymorfik_> i do actually
[8:15] <arthurdent> i maaay have access to a 3d printer... I have no idea if i have access to a lser cutter
[8:15] <ollymorfik_> local hacker space has one
[8:15] <arthurdent> a family friend used to own one... not sure if he still does
[8:15] <BHSPiMonkey> ollymorfik_: man, that sounds amazing
[8:15] <BHSPiMonkey> I need to live somewhere cool
[8:15] <ollymorfik_> charge like .30 cents per min or something
[8:16] <ollymorfik_> not sure have to check with them again
[8:16] <lrvick> ollymorfik_: just go buy a peice of plexi here then grab the design files from waterbury : http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=85635K464
[8:16] <arthurdent> hmm, my raspbery pi needs a sweet name
[8:16] <lrvick> you can cut that out in a min or two.
[8:16] <ollymorfik_> home depot has plexi i believe
[8:17] <zutto> arthurdent: dont let your friends name it
[8:17] <ollymorfik_> trash-boat
[8:17] <lrvick> well if you don't care about fancy colors, then sure long as you get 1/8" thick anything will do, even wood
[8:17] <ollymorfik_> yeyah
[8:18] <arthurdent> laser-cut wood usually looks pretty sweet, too
[8:18] <arthurdent> with dark edges and stuff
[8:18] <lrvick> but yeah we made like 4 cases at our hackerspace tonight
[8:18] <ollymorfik_> what no one posted the files? actuall i think i'd want to design it myself honestly
[8:18] <lrvick> it made me happy
[8:18] <arthurdent> man i guess i should check out my local hackerspace
[8:18] <ollymorfik_> aslong as the extremeties and hole's are in the right place i'll do the rest
[8:18] <arthurdent> i'm always worried it's going to be full of people who talk like their big but don't know anything.
[8:19] <lrvick> ollymorfik_: the base design was hard to get sized right and it took waterbury a few revisions. But you can fork the fils and put in your own logos or whatever. or extrude it a bit taller and put in an 16x2 lcd or an expansion board. whatevs
[8:19] <ollymorfik_> just a base but i can draw that myself i have some calipers to measure with
[8:19] <lrvick> arthurdent: if you in fact know more than them, then teach them something
[8:20] <lrvick> arthurdent: teaching people things is one of the quickest ways to humble them a bit, and make them ultimatly more productive until they start eventually teaching you things :-)
[8:20] <ollymorfik_> if its not perfect im pretty handy with a dremel and or sandpaper ;) doesnt have to look like an apple designed case with no edges and one seam
[8:20] <zutto> lrvick: ...that doesnt work in the internet
[8:20] <lrvick> zutto: I was referring to hackerspaces
[8:20] <arthurdent> lrvick: good point :P
[8:20] <lrvick> but yes
[8:21] <lrvick> zutto: Actually though I train people on the internet frequently
[8:21] <clonak> I got a phone call today. My RasberryPi is arriving tomorrow. :D
[8:21] <lrvick> zutto: I have made at least 3 hires from people I have trained on IRC
[8:21] <zutto> lrvick: guessing people who actually ask / need some guidance, not the ones who state that they know everything
[8:21] <lrvick> zutto: and t least 2 of them have progressed enough to teach me things
[8:21] <arthurdent> I just can't stand people who think they know everything :/ I'd be more than happy to teach them a thing or two without being a jerk if they could just keep from pretending like they know everything.
[8:21] <ollymorfik_> no one teaches me anything im the MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE !!!
[8:22] <lrvick> zutto: oh the punk kids that think they know everything are my favorite
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[8:22] <lrvick> zutto: I break their sprit until they (usually) bail. A select few stick around, and end up amazing later.
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[8:23] <zutto> intresting
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[8:23] <lrvick> arthurdent: the ones that think they know it all, are the ones you can make fools of without feeling guilty. The ones with potential will bounce back and have their ego taken downa couple notches.
[8:24] <zutto> you really havent met the real trolls on the internet
[8:24] <ollymorfik_> this is exciting i cant wait
[8:25] <lrvick> zutto: Oh, I have. Again, some of them can't be helped. I have hwoever converted a few.
[8:25] <zutto> *cough* with real trolls i mean the real trolls, not your normal 12-16 year old kids shouting their memes
[8:26] <lrvick> I have also gotten a few to run rm - rf / on their own systems
[8:26] <lrvick> I can troll with the best of them too
[8:26] <zutto> Lol
[8:26] <arthurdent> that hasn't worked in a long time
[8:26] <ollymorfik_> thats pretty evil
[8:26] <zutto> indeed
[8:26] <arthurdent> you have to pass
[8:26] <arthurdent> --no-preserve-root
[8:26] <arthurdent> rm --no-preserve-root -rf /
[8:27] <zutto> rm /dev/null used to create chaos too
[8:27] <lrvick> one of them actually had it traverse into their external drives which i guess were bind mounted
[8:27] <ollymorfik_> thats not nice
[8:27] <lrvick> He was talking like a badass hacker for hours... after he ran that command
[8:27] <ollymorfik_> well /mnt is a subfolder of / :P
[8:27] <lrvick> he obviously dropped out of the irc. When he came back however... he was slightly more humble.
[8:28] <arthurdent> i'm surprised he wasn't threatening to hack you or something
[8:28] <lrvick> Some of the ones we have destroyed come back, asking to learn. Those are my real favorites
[8:28] <arthurdent> "wuts ur ip im gunna hack u"
[8:29] <lrvick> the ones who reacognize that don't know as much as they think they did, got owned properly, and want to get better.
[8:29] <ollymorfik_> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-v8gbtjQQMTA/TcYaRYhJsOI/AAAAAAAAALg/U8x9ehv4Lcc/s1600/jesus32.jpg
[8:30] <lrvick> arthurdent: oh ive encountered plenty of those.
[8:31] <lrvick> arthurdent: usually only takes me a few quick lines of python to take down their webservers most of the time. Fun way to get their attention. They think you are a God, and they are much more teachable then.
[8:31] <ollymorfik_> www.google.com/search?q=fuck off jesus&tbm=isch
[8:31] <ollymorfik_> www.google.com/search?q=fuck+off+jesus&tbm=isch :P
[8:31] <lrvick> By the time they realize how easy such things are to do, they are in a totally different mindset.
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[8:32] <lrvick> and have less interest in destroying things and more in creating things.
[8:32] <Skrotus> wow that jesus fellow gets around
[8:35] <arthurdent> lrvick: weird, i would imagine it would just excited a bunch of script kiddies who want to know how to slow loris amazon.com or something
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[8:35] <arthurdent> would have* would have*
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[8:37] <ollymorfik_> ima go bak 2 speeching liek dis kuz iz kewlr den being a gramcracker nazi
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[8:41] <arthurdent> it's not even tomorrow for another 20 minutes, here.
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[8:42] <gordonDrogon> it was tomorrow here 7h40m ago...
[8:43] <ollymorfik_> http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxypb89iWc1r3k1m8o1_500.png
[8:43] <arthurdent> no. no it's not :(
[8:44] <gordonDrogon> Grilled pony for breakfast?
[8:48] <Dysk> Ugh.
[8:48] <Dysk> Not here, too.
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[8:52] <erniejunior> hi
[8:52] <erniejunior> is mkinitcpio supposed to break the system on arch linux?
[8:53] <ollymorfik_> heh
[8:54] * gordonDrogon has no idea what mkinitcpio is.
[8:54] <ollymorfik_> my guess is it doesnt know the pi's boot methods so dunno what it could've broken though
[8:54] <ollymorfik_> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mkinitcpio
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[8:56] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Well, it's an arch thing. good luck.
[8:57] <ollymorfik_> trying to make a custom ramdisk?
[8:57] <ollymorfik_> ill admit i have zero arch experience
[8:58] <ollymorfik_> cept i heard it was good and got some friends to try it but it didnt boot to a gui so they cried/deleted it heh
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[8:58] <gordonDrogon> don't want to try debian?
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[9:03] <clonak> has anyone tried a micro SD card in an adapter yet ?
[9:04] <arthurdent> i wouldn't recommend it
[9:04] <arthurdent> any reason you can't buy a real 4GB SD card for like $8
[9:04] <arthurdent> ?
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[9:04] <arthurdent> http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDSDB-4096-A11-4GB-SDHC-card/dp/B000WQKOQM $2 **
[9:05] <ollymorfik_> dont forget the 3$ shipping
[9:05] <ollymorfik_> :P
[9:06] <clonak> I could just go down the road and buy one, its no problem. was just wondering if it work.
[9:06] <ollymorfik_> why wouldnt it?
[9:07] <gordonDrogon> clonak, yes. I have 2 Kingston 4GB microSd's in adapters.
[9:07] <gordonDrogon> they work fine. I didn't realise they were microSD's in carriers when I bought then.
[9:08] <zutto> clonak: i'm running rpi off a micro sd w/adapter
[9:08] <zutto> some cheap chinese 8gb one
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> breakfast time now... later!
[9:08] <clonak> Thank you. wasnt that hard was it.
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[9:08] <ollymorfik_> yes it was hard you need to send 2$ to my paypal
[9:09] <arthurdent> of course it will work, the pins are identical they're just closer together. I wouldn't be surprised if it was slow though.
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[9:12] <clonak> I just remember in the begining there was alot about certain SD cards 'wouldnt' work properly.
[9:12] <DaQatz> I have found plenty
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[9:24] <ollymorfik_> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[9:24] <ollymorfik_> awesome mines on the list ;)
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[9:27] <a5m0> is there a zram for r-pi?
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[9:31] <ollymorfik_> find /lib/modules -name zram
[9:32] <ollymorfik_> zram.ko
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[9:36] <Arch1mede> speaking of that...after my reboot zram is missing so i need to figure out why its not loading on its own
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[9:37] <ollymorfik_> /etc/modules maybe
[9:37] <Milos> raspberry pi y u crash so much
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[9:38] <ollymorfik_> PEBCAK
[9:38] <arthurdent> the only pebcak is debian
[9:38] <Arch1mede> ollymorfik_: zram_num_devices=1, this the wrong syntax?
[9:38] <Dysk> Pebcak is the hardest error to fix
[9:38] <Arch1mede> lol
[9:39] <ollymorfik_> dunno never heard of zram till recently
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[9:39] <ollymorfik_> but it looks correct
[9:40] <Arch1mede> if i do a lsmod its not there
[9:40] <ollymorfik_> unless you have like 20 swap partitions? or is that for number of virtual swap disks?
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[9:41] <ollymorfik_> did you put it in modules and all the other stuff to make it work? also need to reboot for modules to be reread and executed
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[9:41] <Arch1mede> i only have 1 swap but zram is new so im assuming thats how many zram's are initiated
[9:42] <ollymorfik_> http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/p56-2012-06-11-01-41-16.html
[9:42] <Arch1mede> ollymorfik_: i had this working till a reboot....so i missed something but i dont know what...ill have to re-review the steps again
[9:43] <ollymorfik_> pop "zram whatever" in /etc/modules (debian) it should be there on reboot
[9:44] <Arch1mede> maybe i need to add zram to that line i just pasted
[9:44] <neofutur> (10:32) <+Arch1mede> ollymorfik_: zram_num_devices=1, this the wrong syntax?
[9:44] <neofutur> it seems it depend of the kernel you have
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[9:45] <neofutur> num_devices before 3.2 afaik and zram_num_devices after
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[9:45] <ollymorfik_> or is it zram only in modules and /etc/modprobe.d/zram "options zram blah"
[9:45] <neofutur> I have
[9:45] <neofutur> cat /etc/modprobe.d/zram.conf
[9:45] <neofutur> options zram num_devices=2
[9:46] <neofutur> but if you dont put any arguments 1 device should be the default afaik
[9:46] <Arch1mede> neofutur: you know...i had all of this documented to and you even said...make a post...and after i did it it seemed pointless...now im kicking myself
[9:46] <neofutur> so if you just need one you probably dont need it
[9:46] <neofutur> why pointless ?
[9:47] <neofutur> ( i was meaning a post on http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/p56-2012-06-11-01-41-16.html to help me make it better ;)
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[9:47] <ollymorfik_> hey thats your post
[9:47] <ollymorfik_> HAH
[9:47] <Arch1mede> yes i know....but as i was composing it it felt like i was repeating what you already wrote
[9:48] <Arch1mede> and then i had it working and saw something shiney and well forgot about it till i rebooted and noticed it was missing
[9:49] <neofutur> ollymorfik_: yup i made my own forum where i can edit and refine my posts ;)
[9:49] <ollymorfik_> awe my stomach hurts
[9:49] <ollymorfik_> i ate like a hole watermelon
[9:49] <ollymorfik_> whole
[9:49] <neofutur> ( and where you wont need to go through 40 posts ofspam to find 3 lines of useful information )
[9:49] <megatog615> what's new in raspbian today?
[9:49] <ollymorfik_> yeah people dont know how to forum these days
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[9:50] <ollymorfik_> its like irc talk not info
[9:50] <neofutur> the official forum is one of the worst forums I ever seen :p
[9:50] <ollymorfik_> ME2!!! and hey how does my hair look? i tried something new
[9:50] <ollymorfik_> lul
[9:50] <Arch1mede> neofutur: hey do you have a post for running root from a usb hdd? i tried that today and failed
[9:51] <neofutur> not yet, but I plan on trying it soon
[9:51] <Arch1mede> neofutur: which incidently i needed to filter through 2-3 pages of posts before i found it again :P
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[9:51] <neofutur> it should be as simple as chanching the root=
[9:51] <neofutur> in
[9:51] <Arch1mede> yeah no
[9:52] <neofutur> /boot/cmdline.txt
[9:52] <Arch1mede> i did a rsync -t / /mnt/ changed that line and rebooted and it barfed
[9:52] <neofutur> not sure rsync is the best way to do it
[9:52] <Arch1mede> my /dev/sda1 was mounted to /mnt
[9:52] <neofutur> i d prefer to dd it
[9:53] <neofutur> also be sure your kernel have the support for the filesystem
[9:53] <ollymorfik_> i love rsync
[9:53] <ollymorfik_> just recently started using it omfg im in love
[9:53] <Arch1mede> im sure rsync works but i might have done the command wrong
[9:54] <Arch1mede> what would the dd command be to clone root to the hdd?
[9:54] <ollymorfik_> that looks like it was a loop syncing / to a subfolder of / /mnt without excluding it
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[9:55] <ollymorfik_> dd if=/dev/device of=./image.bin.file.secret.backup
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[9:55] <arthurdent> night
[9:55] <Arch1mede> ollymorfik_: do i did the command wrong? because it looked like it all synced over....when i browsed the dir it seemed ok
[9:55] <ollymorfik_> waht was in /mnt/mnt?
[9:56] <ollymorfik_> did it go on forever?
[9:56] <Arch1mede> no
[9:56] <Arch1mede> ./dev/sda1 was mounted to /mnt
[9:56] <ollymorfik_> hm i guess rsync is smarter than i thought
[9:57] * gordonDrogon waves.
[9:57] <zutto> Arch1mede: you sure you had your partitions set up correctly?
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> what are you guys trying to do? I can't make much sense of the last page of scroll-back...
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[9:58] <zutto> not quite sure either ;E
[9:59] <ollymorfik_> not sure how reliable dd'ing a root mounted drive is though
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> Zoinks!
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> That's not reliable at all.
[9:59] <Arch1mede> zutto: ext4 yes
[10:00] <zutto> m'kay
[10:00] <Arch1mede> gordonDrogon: running root from usb hdd by rsynching the root fs to the hdd
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> dd will only really work is the device your copying to has the same number of blocks.
[10:00] <ollymorfik_> tarball backup
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> ok - copy root on the SD to usb ...
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[10:00] <gordonDrogon> you should partition the USB key with one partition (at least)..
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> then run mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sda1
[10:01] <Arch1mede> gordonDrogon: i did..it was a 80 gig
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> (or whatever /dev/sdXY it mounts as)
[10:01] <Arch1mede> right
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> then mount the device: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> then copy:
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> cd / ; find . -xdev | cpio -pm /mnt
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> you can use rsync if you like, but you need to make sure you get the right trailing slashes, etc.
[10:02] <mjr> cp -ax / /mnt
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> cd /mnt ; rsync -aHx / .
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> actually, adding --whole-file to rsync is a bit more efficient too.
[10:03] <Arch1mede> gordonDrogon: i did rsync -t / /mnt/
[10:03] * gordonDrogon looks up the -t flag..
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> you need more than -t, should realyl use -a
[10:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> rsync -a should do it
[10:03] <Arch1mede> ahh ok
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> and -H to preserve hard links.
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[10:04] <gordonDrogon> and -x to stop it traversing mounted filesystems.
[10:05] <ollymorfik_> or youre going to have a bad time
[10:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> or dd it then resize the file system [thats what I did]
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> I've been using the find... | cpio method for a number of years now, maybe over 20, so it's habit.
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> dd from a live filesystem will copy an incomprete version as it won't pickup what's cached in RAM
[10:05] <ollymorfik_> i never use it
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> so you need to force an fsck after the copy.
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[10:06] <neofutur> gordonDrogon: isnt it better / faster with dd ?
[10:06] <neofutur> ah yes better do it when its not mounted for sure
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, not always - dd will create a corrupted filesystem and it will copy blank sectors too.
[10:06] <mjr> if you're hell-bent on dd, just at least remount it readonly first
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> so all sectors will be written to, which will negate any form of wear leveling in the target device.
[10:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah .... rsync is generrally my favorite - with a few options -
[10:07] <Arch1mede> gordonDrogon: ok so which flags for rsync then?
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> Arch1mede, -aHx --whole-file
[10:07] <neofutur> so a good rsync command would be rsync -aHx ?
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[10:08] <Arch1mede> rsync -aHx / /mnt/?
[10:08] <neofutur> I ll probably try it soon and make a post on the topic
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> actually, on a blank target, --whole-file probably isn't needed, but it stops a scan of the source file first.
[10:09] <Arch1mede> its a blank target
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> I have to say though... With the recent patches to the kernel, I'm really not sure it's worth it going for root on a USB drive anymore.
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> I'm now seeing 20MB/sec out of my SD card.
[10:09] <Arch1mede> i saw someone here getting 30
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> IMO all your doing is adding one more source of unreliability to the system as a whole - it now needs both SD and USB plugged in just to boot...
[10:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah I think -aHx should be the one to use
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> accidentally remove the USB and ...
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> So - keep root, etc. on the SD and all your user files, etc. on the USB key.
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> or on NFS if you can arrange it.
[10:10] <ollymorfik_> im partial to wiki's these days a forum post gets lost and noisy a wiki page is world editable (for the most part)
[10:11] <neofutur> ollymorfik_: use my forum !
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> I'm managing everything so-far on 4GB SD cards.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> right now I'm rsyncing code, etc. from my desktop, compilng on the SD.
[10:11] <neofutur> perfect middle between wiki and forum, you can edit your post and all spam will be deleted ;)
[10:12] <neofutur> and you can be moderator if you ant ;)
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> rootfs 3.7G 2.2G 1.3G 63% /
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[10:12] <neofutur> + many other useful features ;)
[10:12] <nidO> i'm still happy booting via iscsi, got several iscsi volumes setup with debian roots, and a little initrd script on the sd card that tells one pi apart from another and will boot each to a different volume
[10:13] <nidO> can boot several pis to their own root from a single sd card using that
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, your forum is somewaht sub-optimal. The abiltiy to edit a post after (e.g.) some negative comment is, in some peoples eyes not good. It leads to mis representation and a threaded time-line just breaks horribly.
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> The Pi's forums, while maybe not perfect only allows edits for a very short time - which is OK in my eyes. Good enough to correct typos.
[10:14] <neofutur> updating OP is a widely used technic on many forums
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> nidO, iscsi is probably beyond the realms of most home users though!
[10:14] <neofutur> i cant how this can be a problem
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, yes, a technique to discredit your commentors.
[10:14] <neofutur> having accurate and up to date useful info in the first post is just useful for people needing answers
[10:14] <ollymorfik_> heh
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> e.g. you post something which is "wrong", someone posts a correction, you then correct your post, they then look a fool...
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> who wants to be part of that sort of environment.
[10:15] <Arch1mede> gordonDrogon: i didnt see a responce but was rsync rsync -aHx --whole-file / /mnt/ the right syntax?
[10:15] <neofutur> well i cant see why it would be used to "discredit commentors" but yes, its probably possible
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> Arch1mede, cd /mnt ; rsync -aHx / .
[10:15] <Arch1mede> gordonDrogon: ahhh ok thank you
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> Arch1mede, although rsync works both ways, I always like to think of "Pulling" the data to my current location.
[10:16] <Arch1mede> ahh ok
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> read the rsync man pages for the use of trailing slashes too... sometimes you can dump files in the current directory and sometimes it will create a new one which can be confusing to newcomes to rsync!
[10:17] <Arch1mede> and yes i understand adding another item to the mix makes it potentially more unstable BUT even at 20mbS its still slower then a usb hdd
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> it's mostly writing that you need to wory about. so user data, etc. the 'root' with the programs, etc. should be fine as most frequently used programs will end up cached in RAM - e.g. doing a big compile of lots of files, gcc, etc. will more or less stay in RAM all the time.
[10:18] <Arch1mede> plus if you swap at all it wont kill the usb hdd but you can potentially kill the sdhc
[10:18] <nidO> there is also a practical limit to what you really need though, if you can reliably get 20MB/s through your SD card thats frankly plenty fast enough that any improvement's going to be hard to notice for general use, unless you're specifically planning a lot of heavy io
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> use swapfiles - then you can place them anywhere.
[10:19] <ollymorfik_> hence another reason i lean towards wiki's
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> nidO, agreed.
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> So I think that once we get a good stable kernel with the SDs running at their proper rate (or a good fraction of it),then it's into the realms of diminishing returns ...
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> My sandisk now gives me 20MB/sec and the Kingstons 16MB/sec.
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> and that's really not far away from IDE drives of the late 90's.
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> early SCSI drives were only 5MB/sec too.
[10:21] <nidO> + huge seek simes which an sd card doesnt have
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm getting old, but .. keep it simple stoopid works for me :)
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[10:24] <frankivo> :o
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[10:27] <Gadgetoid> Allo Pi folks
[10:27] <Arch1mede> hola
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> What Ho!
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[10:31] <ollymorfik_> dang i've been up too late time to stay up till atleast the mail gets here
[10:31] * User__ is now known as mcfundash
[10:32] <ollymorfik_> pi not expected but i do have tons of other junk gaw my mail lady must be pissed at me i've been getting ebayed stuff atleast weekly for the past few months
[10:32] <ollymorfik_> one of the packages leaked!
[10:33] <ollymorfik_> (live aquarium animal) ;)
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> woops!
[10:33] <ollymorfik_> still alive so its all good
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> phew!
[10:34] <Gadgetoid> Eee, posting fish!
[10:34] <ollymorfik_> self cloning crayfish
[10:35] <ollymorfik_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmorkrebs
[10:35] <ollymorfik_> Procambarus fallax f. virginalis
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[10:36] <faustinparis> i can't seem to get any video output via HDMI using both arch and debian... can anyone help me troubleshoot?
[10:38] <frankivo> all I did was plug in the cable :P
[10:38] <ollymorfik_> change the tv's source? maybe its hdmi1 hdmi2? or force hdmi output http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_options
[10:38] <Gadgetoid> ollymorfik_: this sounds like a big elaborate joke...
[10:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Display
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[10:39] <CruX|> hello where can I find more info about bootloader ?
[10:39] <CruX|> which is flashed in CPU with jtag probably
[10:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> fragalot - make sure the hdmi is plugged in before you power it
[10:40] <ollymorfik_> its boot method is the proprietary gpu blobs and kernel/config crap on the fat partition
[10:40] <ollymorfik_> on sdcard
[10:42] <CruX|> ok can I change filesystem on boot partition ?
[10:42] <CruX|> for example into one big ext4
[10:42] <ollymorfik_> you can change the root but the boot needs to be fat afaik
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[10:43] <ollymorfik_> so no matter what if you want a disk to boot it must have a small fat partition with the needed files
[10:43] <Arch1mede> 75MB doesnt consume that much space
[10:44] <_inc> 'morning lads
[10:44] <CruX|> isnt fat patented ?
[10:44] <CruX|> i think tomtom has some problems with this
[10:44] <ollymorfik_> RE broadcom cpu "how selfish of me, lets do all the things YOU WANT TO DO"
[10:45] <Arch1mede> _inc: you the same _inc from efnet by chance?
[10:45] <_inc> Arch1mede: not that i know of :P
[10:45] <Arch1mede> your nick looks so familiar
[10:45] <Arch1mede> maybe its someone else using the same nick
[10:46] <_inc> i was around a few months ago here, before this channel got huge
[10:47] <Arch1mede> _inc: ohh yeah...i was here a month ago or a little more and it would be days before there was any chatter
[10:48] <ollymorfik_> http://elinux.org/RPi_Advanced_Setup#Setting_up_the_boot_partition
[10:48] <ollymorfik_> now it doesnt say it but im almost certian the boot part has to be fat so ... it needsw an edit in my eyes
[10:49] <ollymorfik_> unless im wrong?
[10:49] <ollymorfik_> but thats impossible im always right :P
[10:49] <_inc> Arch1mede: The last thing I remember was some dude here wanting to gut his Aspire One and put in the pi because "it would be better for gaming and internet browsing"
[10:50] <ollymorfik_> lul
[10:50] <Arch1mede> _inc: heh i just remember all i saw was alog of joins and leaves with nothing like it is now
[10:50] <_inc> what was that guys name again?
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[10:54] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I have an old AAO... Doubt I'd be able to get the screen connected up though. and the keyboard. and the track pad. not sure it' even deep enough inside ...
[10:55] <Dysk> The Aspire Ones are great little things for the money.
[10:55] <Dysk> I'm using one right now.
[10:55] <Dysk> Best keyboard on a netbook anywhere.
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[10:56] <Dysk> ...and significantly faster than an RPi.
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[10:56] <_inc> yea well, we tried telling him that but he was having none of it
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[10:57] <gordonDrogon> My AAO is currently running Debian Lenny. Might upgrade it to Squeeze, but it has the original 8GB SSD in it - very slow.
[10:58] <ollymorfik_> i need a new desktop
[10:59] <Dysk> Mine's got 160GB HDD (a mistake, I ordered and paid for a 120GB) which has yet to cough up a single error
[11:00] <ollymorfik_> it will be banging ground up no motherboard with everything included (video or sound junk) ill add super awesome purpose built cards for those uber ram/cpu solid state OS drive
[11:00] <ollymorfik_> bam ill leave flames in my wake through the net
[11:02] <ollymorfik_> spend all my money on cpu/ram/video card
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[11:04] <ollymorfik_> maybe it was just the all in one motherboard i had but onboard sound had wicked interference
[11:05] <ollymorfik_> move the mouse and it acompanied a buzzy sound from the speaker
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[11:12] <gordonDrogon> Hm. coffee & toast time :)
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[11:12] <gordonDrogon> at least it's better listening to the polish woman outside shouting into her phone )-:
[11:14] <RoyK> "Despatch expected within 9week(s))" ?!?
[11:14] * RoyK grunts
[11:14] <_inc_pi> rs?
[11:14] <RoyK> mhm
[11:16] * ollymorfik_ tosses RoyK a harmonica
[11:16] * RoyK starts singing through the harmonica
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[11:19] <megatog615> can the pi actually play minecraft btw?
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[11:23] <Dysk> No.
[11:23] <mjr> Sounds doubtful. Somebody did run a (small) server on it though.
[11:23] <Dysk> There is some potential for a variant of Minecraft Pocket Edition at some point, perhaps.
[11:23] <Dysk> But not minecraft proper.
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[11:24] <megaproxy> ive seen a pi server.
[11:24] <Dysk> And yeah, some smaller, unofficial, stripped-down dedicated servers will probably run.
[11:24] <megaproxy> im sure with a cluster of pi's it would run ok
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[11:25] <ollymorfik_> minecraft is a ram hog
[11:25] <_inc> how can i stop the pi from "dimming" in terminal mode on raspbian?
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[11:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> +_inc you mean switch the screen off
[11:26] <_inc> RaTTuS|BIG: indeed
[11:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> setterm -blank 0
[11:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> put that in /etc/rc.local
[11:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> or just run it
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[11:27] <_inc> cheers :)
[11:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> rc.local will keep it over reboots just running it will keep it for this boot
[11:28] <ollymorfik_> dont want to burn your monitor without some sort of screen saving
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> technically ... while that works, it's somewhat "sub optimal" ..
[11:28] <_inc_pi> will it burn this lcd?
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> What you ought to do is edit /etc/kbd/config
[11:28] <_inc_pi> i mean with this amount of join/quits? :P
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[11:29] <gordonDrogon> look in there for BLANK_TIME and POWERDOWN_TIME
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[11:29] <gordonDrogon> set them to zero and either reboot, or /etc/init.d/kbd restart
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[11:29] <ollymorfik_> heh not sure but i remember old monochromes getting screen "memory"
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> old tubes do suffer from burn-in...
[11:30] <_inc_pi> cheeers gordonDrogon
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[11:30] <gordonDrogon> LCD/LEDs mostly don't although I have seen one which looks like it might have.. possibly due to a different effect of the glass/coating fading.
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> fortunatly my old tube is still going strong after 30 years...
[11:30] <_inc_pi> i want to get a JVC Videosphere
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[11:32] <Dysk> gordonDrogon, what's with the big circles?
[11:32] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: what has science done!?
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> the issue with LCDs is more the backlight - they do fade in time. although my Digimate monitor seems to be going fine after 4 years...
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> The dye in LCDs can also bleach
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> Dysk, the circles are mimics for the buttons on the breadboard. in that shot, the Pi is running a program talking to the Arduino.
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> all the Arduino is going is accepting commands from the pi - it's not doing any real actions of its own.
[11:33] <Dysk> Ah, okay.
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> so the pi polls the arduno and says "what's button 1 doing", the arduino returns "on" or "off" and the pi then updates the display
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> the program on the Pi is written in BASIC...
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> it was just a demo of making the Pi control more IO than it has on-board.
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> using an arduino as a sort of IO extended...
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> See my wiringPi and drc projects pages if your intersted...
[11:35] <ollymorfik_> over usb serial
[11:35] <stephan48> is there a list of working PVR dongles(DVB-T/DVBC, or analoge cable)?
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> yes, usb serial, although I have another board that works over the Pi's on-board serial.
[11:35] <ollymorfik_> fun
[11:35] <Ben64> stephan48: i don't think any would work
[11:35] <stephan48> k
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> this fan unit: http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg talks to an ATmega chip to read the temp. sensor, but uses the Pi's on-board GPIO to control the fan speed via PWM.
[11:36] <ollymorfik_> i could see an arduino for use as a controller conteroller (ps2) for something like supermariowar
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what those game controllers do, but I think the Atari/SNES ones are just switches...
[11:37] <ollymorfik_> guess it'd be easier to use the pi's usb with usb controllers/hubs
[11:38] <ollymorfik_> oh yeah i have an old NES or two i've been dying to play emulators with "real" controlers
[11:38] <ollymorfik_> heh
[11:38] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: snes actually provides power over one of the pins
[11:39] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: someone actually managed to make an rf wireless controller for it by using it
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[11:39] <gordonDrogon> It's not something I've looked into in detail, but it sounds fun - I sort of want to connect a joystick to the Game Port IO on the Pi and write some olde style games in BASIC on it.
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[11:41] <frankivo> omg
[11:41] <stephan48> Ben64: due to performance or due to hardware accellaration?
[11:42] <stephan48> i am thinking about the sundtek mediatv pro
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> so who fancies writing some old games in BASIC :)
[11:42] <ollymorfik_> im reading NES is digital using like 3 pins and power
[11:42] <frankivo> http://intelminer.com/blog/?p=18
[11:42] <ollymorfik_> 5v
[11:42] <frankivo> someone setup gentoo to run on Rpi
[11:43] <frankivo> :')
[11:43] <ollymorfik_> cant believe i havent hacked a nes controller till now
[11:43] <ollymorfik_> not thrilled cause of the inevitable blisters/bruises
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[11:46] <gordonDrogon> The old Atari joysticks are plentifull on ebay.
[11:48] <frankivo> is that an actual word?
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[11:48] <frankivo> plentifull
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[11:48] <ollymorfik_> i guess if its not on urbandictionary it doesnt exist eh?
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> one L - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/plentiful
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[11:49] <ollymorfik_> i do that a lot
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[11:50] <ollymorfik_> even did it in my nick
[11:50] <ollymorfik_> "polymorphic"
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[11:51] <ollymorfik_> but with an added twist of the name "ollie"
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[11:52] <gordonDrogon> better than just making an anagram like me ...
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> I picked 'drogon' for a project I started about 21 years ago and it's sort of stuck...
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[11:53] <SocksG> I try to insist that Socks is pronounced Stephen, but it never gets me anywhere.
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> Ghoti ?
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> (google it if you don't know it)
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[11:55] <gordonDrogon> right. best make a start on some cooking I have to do today. 30+ cheese scones and about 50 mini quiche pastry cases.
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> I can only do 12 mini quiche cases at a time, so that'll be somewhat time consuming...
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> or i go out & buy a 2nd tray... Hmmm..
[11:56] <nidO> I cant think of any word that pronounces s as n, so that wont work :<
[11:56] <Dysk> That's a lot of nibbles...
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> yea, doing canapes for 50 tomorow might.
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> the cheese scones will split to 60 halves.
[11:57] <Dysk> Always enjoyed cooking on a large scale.
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[11:57] <ollymorfik_> ew
[11:57] <Dysk> Such a sense of achievement.
[11:57] <ollymorfik_> quiche is nasty
[11:57] * Dysk rolls her eyes
[11:57] <ollymorfik_> not much i will eat "leftover"
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> boiled eggs with piped yellows, smoked salmon on nice cracked black pepper bircuits, and mini toad in the holes :)
[11:57] <nidO> I much prefer eating on a large scale
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> makes a change from the afternoon tea I did 2 weeks ago!
[11:58] <ollymorfik_> fresh of the pan/grill or not at all
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> http://moorbakes.co.uk/?p=98
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> really hard to do fresh out of the pan when bulk cooking unless you have a huge kitchen and lots of staff - then it gets really expensive )-:
[11:59] <nidO> thats an afternoon tea and a half
[11:59] * ollymorfik_ is now known as OllieMorfik
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> for 100 people :)
[11:59] <rm> Despatch expected in 9 week(s)
[11:59] <rm> LOL
[11:59] <nidO> how much did that set the happy couple back? :P
[11:59] <rm> should've ordered yesterday when it said 5 weeks!
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> rm hang in there...
[11:59] <rm> nah, I am still not buying
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> nidO, our going rate for that is ?9 a head. however they're friends so got a rather good deal on it.
[11:59] <rm> probably will, when it will say 1-2 weeks
[12:00] <nidO> youll be waiting a while
[12:00] <OllieMorfik> but that will be like 20weeks away
[12:00] <OllieMorfik> heh
[12:00] <nidO> rs are sending out order invites much quicker now, and giving longer delivery estimates
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> yea, might as well order now and just wait, or get one off ebay.
[12:00] <nidO> queue is coming down, but its the wait between registering interest and ordering thats been slashed
[12:00] <zleap> hi gordonDrogon
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> What Ho Mr. zleap
[12:01] <zleap> hows you
[12:01] <OllieMorfik> http://www.ebay.com/itm/190691104383 one more day to go and its already at 81$
[12:01] <OllieMorfik> (been watching htat one all week
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> doing ok - but just about to head down to the kitchenarium to do some cooking...
[12:01] <zleap> can you connect to the dclug channel ok, i can't connect, my website is back up but e-mail isn't working either
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> OllieMorfik, just check the buy it nows.
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> zleap, I seem to be connected to it OK.
[12:02] <nidO> I wouldnt buy that one purely for the loser instagrammed pi photo, anyway
[12:02] <zleap> ok
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[12:02] <OllieMorfik> oh nice one for 50$
[12:02] <zleap> connected via phractured
[12:03] <zleap> i really need to talk to flash about stuff
[12:03] <OllieMorfik> if i had 50 bucks to spare i'd nab it
[12:03] <nidO> i'm still short 3 pis :<
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[12:04] <OllieMorfik> oh wait thats for the code
[12:04] <OllieMorfik> selling his code for 50$? thats weak
[12:05] <nidO> selling (or rather buying) codes now is dumb anyway as the queue from registering interest to getting a code is dropping to practically nothing
[12:05] <nidO> its the wait after ordering where the delay is now
[12:06] <OllieMorfik> hm ill be getting mine in a few days i should double my money on ebay and wait ;)
[12:06] <dwatkins> wow, people really will sell anything they can
[12:07] <OllieMorfik> the wrapper my single individually packed toothpick was in 1$!
[12:08] <OllieMorfik> im afriad if i did sell mine on ebay for a respectable price like 50-60 it would get resold for some astronaumical price
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[12:14] <bubu\a> anyone buy the 4GB SD card with raspberrypi OS installed? I take it this is the debian squeeze version ... ?
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[12:19] <bfdd> bubu\a: not worth it, it takes 5 minutes to make your own
[12:19] <bubu\a> yeah didnt think so but just wondered
[12:20] <bubu\a> and its only 4gb
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[12:20] <bfdd> anyone in the target market for buying pre-built cards won't have the foggiest idea about irc
[12:20] <bubu\a> lol
[12:20] <bfdd> so you'll probably be better off asking round a retirement community
[12:21] <bfdd> or the forums
[12:22] <tabasko> part
[12:22] <tabasko> woops
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[12:22] <dwatkins> or on stackexchange
[12:22] <dwatkins> the questions there barely relate to the Pi
[12:23] <mcfundash> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU4RUbcETu8
[12:23] <dwatkins> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/ that is
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[12:24] <bubu\a> anyone else order from RS online?
[12:24] <bubu\a> pain in the add wont let me have sep billing/delivery address
[12:24] <dwatkins> perhaps they only allow that for the 2nd order, bubu\a
[12:25] <Draylor> heh, bfdd, you underestimate the power of laziness
[12:25] * Dysk cocks an eyebrow at mcfundash
[12:25] <Draylor> preinstalled cards to save arsing around with a card reader and finding a card that works 100% are a good thing
[12:26] <bubu\a> lol
[12:26] <mcfundash> wrong chat lol, I'm chatting on another channel on freenode sorry
[12:26] <bubu\a> but they are all shit speed Draylor
[12:26] <Draylor> shrug, its only to boot from, doesnt matter really
[12:26] <bfdd> Draylor: Yeah but then there's a 50/50 chance their end up breaking their image anyway.. so what are they supposed to do then.. buy another pre-installed card?
[12:26] <Arch1mede> and buying that card you will still have shit speed
[12:26] <Arch1mede> till you update the kernel
[12:27] <Arch1mede> then its not so bad
[12:27] <bfdd> It's like buying a 3.5" hdd with windows pre-installed
[12:27] <bubu\a> what about storage Draylor ?
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[12:27] <Draylor> usb (once you patch it to actually be usable, heh)
[12:28] <bubu\a> usb into a usb hub?
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[12:28] <bubu\a> are you not using the 1x usb for mouse/keyboard/
[12:28] <Draylor> 2x usb
[12:28] <Draylor> but nah, mine runs headless, no need for mouse/kb
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[12:35] <_inc_pi> now i have my tmux wokring ::)
[12:36] <bubu\a> anyone got any decent cases for the board?
[12:36] <bubu\a> ebay ones look .... :/
[12:36] <_inc_pi> bubu\a: i elastic mine to the box it came with
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[12:36] <OllieMorfik> hotglue+tv
[12:37] <_inc_pi> OllieMorfik: have you actually done that?
[12:37] <OllieMorfik> he no
[12:37] <Vostok> bubu\a: modmypi is about to start shipping
[12:37] <OllieMorfik> i hear it might get hot enough to melt hotglue
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[12:37] <OllieMorfik> but its a funny thought
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[12:39] <_inc_pi> unexpectedly, my shower shower runs hotter than the pi
[12:40] <OllieMorfik> if i had some wood working tools i'd like to make a nice stained cigar box type case
[12:41] <OllieMorfik> in reality ill probably get a sheet of acrylic to work with
[12:42] <OllieMorfik> maybe make a few and ebay em
[12:42] <_inc_pi> i'm gonna wait until the cases come down in price
[12:42] <_inc_pi> or diy
[12:42] <OllieMorfik> use legos till then ;)
[12:43] <OllieMorfik> my arduino is encased in legos
[12:43] <OllieMorfik> not bad ;) dont have to worry about shorts/ESD
[12:44] <Arch1mede> i bought a case for like 22$ thats pretty cheap for now...im sure in like 4-6 months they will be like 5$
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[12:45] * SocksG so wants to correct legos to lego, but knows in truth it should be LEGO?? bricks
[12:46] <OllieMorfik> plural informal legos :P
[12:46] <OllieMorfik> wow a 20$ case...
[12:46] <_inc_pi> yeaaaa
[12:47] <_inc_pi> in my eyes, im going to try to do things as inexpepensive as possible
[12:47] <_inc_pi> keep in spirit with the aim for the pi
[12:47] <Arch1mede> _inc_pi: thats what i said and im afraid to look at how much i have spent
[12:47] <OllieMorfik> i would've rolled mine with a 1$ bill before shelling out 20$ for a case
[12:47] <_inc_pi> :D
[12:47] <OllieMorfik> 1$bill with scotch tape
[12:48] <_inc_pi> we dont have dollar bills in this country
[12:48] <OllieMorfik> rupies
[12:48] <OllieMorfik> pounds
[12:48] <Arch1mede> OllieMorfik: thats the cheapest case right now for it...plus well worth it for all the man handling i am doing to it
[12:48] <OllieMorfik> yen
[12:48] <OllieMorfik> peso
[12:48] <_inc_pi> the cheapest case is the box it was delivered in
[12:48] <Arch1mede> no thats just desperate
[12:49] <OllieMorfik> yeah i would argue with the shipping container
[12:50] <Arch1mede> although now that your bringing it up i could makea case for it to house my usb hdd/hub and pi
[12:50] <OllieMorfik> for 20$ you could probably get one of those water tight otter boxes small and drill a couple holes in it
[12:51] <OllieMorfik> those are tough you could probably sit on it
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[12:52] <OllieMorfik> i guess ill have to relive the market and DIY some cases like lady ada's only 1/3 the price
[12:54] <_inc_pi> just run htop to see what is hogging the most resources
[12:54] <_inc_pi> htop is
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[12:57] <_inc_pi> pi needs more cores
[12:58] <chris_99> just get more Pis
[12:58] <_inc_pi> chris_99: i had the oppurtunity but didnt want to be a dick for those still waiting
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[13:05] <Iota> ClusterPi!
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[13:14] <rasp7aa> Hi
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[13:28] <MrBig> hello, i have been looking for one since Feb, any news on production? i see tons of movies on youtube so i guess tons of them have been shipped already :/
[13:28] <OllieMorfik> im getting mine soon ;) within days
[13:28] <rasp7aa> MrBig: Which country?
[13:28] <MrBig> Portugal
[13:28] <OllieMorfik> ordered back in early march :P
[13:29] <rasp7aa> MrBig: They are being sold through RS and Farnell
[13:29] <MrBig> i didnt get to order, when i tried, it was shutdown, i put my email stating my "interest" but nothing so far :/
[13:29] <OllieMorfik> dang really
[13:29] <nidO> when did you end up registering interest and with who?
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[13:30] <MrBig> i think it was farnell, but i cant be sure, let me look for the email
[13:30] <rasp7aa> MrBig: RS do not let you order until they have allocated stock to your registration of interest
[13:31] <rasp7aa> With farnell you should be able to order now
[13:32] <hamitron> I'm stil waiting for a code from farnell?
[13:32] <hamitron> still*
[13:32] <_inc_pi> RS seem to do the process better
[13:33] <rasp7aa> hamitron: farnell never sent me a code, they just emailed me a link to order after a day
[13:33] <MrBig> well, on farnells site, it only shows "register interest" atm so i guess i cant order yet
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[13:33] <hamitron> rasp7aa, when was that?
[13:33] * hamitron has been waiting weeks
[13:33] <rasp7aa> hamitron: 1st of march
[13:34] <_inc_pi> i was a day one order and i just got mine yesterday
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[13:34] <hamitron> I want mine for xmas anyway
[13:34] <hamitron> so *shrug*
[13:34] <rasp7aa> You're in denial
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[13:35] <rasp7aa> You really want one now
[13:35] <MrBig> oh well, i "registered my interest" in RS now, guess it will be a long time before i get one :/
[13:35] <hamitron> rasp7aa, too right I want one now..... but really shouldn't distract myself ;)
[13:36] <rasp7aa> MrBig: I doubt it, they are starting to catch up to the end of the queue
[13:36] <MrBig> are there any problems with the designs? i mean other than the ones they had with approval
[13:36] <hetOrakel> jihaaa! i received a ups tracking number!!!!
[13:36] <OllieMorfik> me2!!
[13:36] <hetOrakel> mine will be shipped today
[13:36] <rasp7aa> MrBig: there is only one design right now
[13:36] <OllieMorfik> not meaning to rub it in or anything
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[13:37] <_inc_pi> :)
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[13:37] <_inc_pi> people are happy
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[13:37] <hamitron> biggest "issues" in here seem to be power and memory cards, from what I've seen
[13:37] <Arch1mede> yarp
[13:37] <OllieMorfik> and lack of minecraft support
[13:37] <rasp7aa> I don't have physical access to my pi till friday :(
[13:37] <erniejunior> gordonDrogon: I tried debian but i got lots of errors while booting and then it was slow.
[13:38] <OllieMorfik> har
[13:38] <Arch1mede> OllieMorfik: *rolls eyes*
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[13:38] <rasp7aa> OllieMorfik: don't be stupid
[13:38] <OllieMorfik> send notch a board and i bet there will be a version for it soon after
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[13:39] <_inc_pi> doubtful
[13:39] <_inc_pi> he is working on x10c
[13:39] <rasp7aa> OllieMorfik: notch isnt involved with minecraft anymore
[13:39] <rasp7aa> Its all jeb
[13:39] <_inc_pi> his team might if they think its worth the while
[13:39] <hetOrakel> so farnell has beaten rs for me
[13:39] <OllieMorfik> sorry i dont keep up with mincraft news
[13:39] <hamitron> wouldn't it be more useful to get java?
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[13:40] <mythos> biggest issue is the driver for the usb-host
[13:40] <Arch1mede> wow pandaboard is really expensive
[13:41] <hamitron> that new VIA APC is interesting
[13:41] <mythos> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7866
[13:41] <mythos> sdcards are quitely fixed. and the power problems are not that bad
[13:43] <MrBig> just checkd ebay to see if anyone was selling their raspberry, and guess what, a whole sidemarket :/ ppl are just lame, selling their activation codes and their berries at much higher price because farnell and rs cant keep up with the demand, shame
[13:43] <MrBig> i wonder how many "fake" emails have been done just to get activation codes for selling
[13:43] <OllieMorfik> yeah codes for 50$ and boards for 150
[13:44] <OllieMorfik> pretty sad
[13:44] <hetOrakel> i ordered one by myself. been patient. and getting one soon ;)
[13:44] <rasp7aa> MrBig: I gave away my RS code
[13:44] <Arch1mede> codes?
[13:44] <MrBig> rasp7aa: what a nice thing to do :D
[13:44] <hetOrakel> i've got a RS invitation comming
[13:44] <rasp7aa> Arch1mede: rs
[13:45] <hetOrakel> people here interested?
[13:45] <MrBig> but why cant they make them faster? its not like they cant, the money from the interested ppl should make them make them faster
[13:45] <Arch1mede> rasp7aa: ohh i went through element14 so i never needed a code
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[13:46] <MrBig> Arch1mede: element14 sends you a link right? no code
[13:46] <Arch1mede> MrBig: yeah
[13:46] <OllieMorfik> yeah i thought they would have had a steady stream since first batch
[13:46] <nidO> MrBig: they are making them faster
[13:46] <MrBig> nidO: not fast enough :P
[13:46] <rasp7aa> MrBig: They are making them faster than the demand, theres just a bit of a buffer until they catch up
[13:46] <nidO> there's a limit to how much faster you can keep making things though
[13:46] <OllieMorfik> i was led to believe the first 50k or so only took a few weeks to make
[13:46] <hamitron> bad thing about buying them in batches I guess
[13:46] <hamitron> ;)
[13:47] <nidO> they are producing several thousand a day
[13:47] <nidO> hamitron: afaik they switched to serial production quite some time ago
[13:47] <rasp7aa> hamitron: there are no batches
[13:47] <hamitron> ah, k
[13:48] <MrBig> they should film it, would be quite a sight to see them rushing production and packaging
[13:48] <ReggieUK> hardly :D
[13:48] <OllieMorfik> workers losing fingers
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[13:48] <MrBig> OllieMorfik: lol, dont be negative
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[13:49] <hetOrakel> when i go to farnell i can order one again. i checked last minute
[13:49] <IT_Sean> Morning
[13:49] <Arch1mede> yo
[13:49] <hamitron> you need negative to balance things when there is positive
[13:49] <Arch1mede> well i got my pi so thats positive
[13:49] <rasp7aa> Its not morning here
[13:49] <OllieMorfik> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/193/319/I%20SELL%20APPLES%20AND%20APPLES%20ACCESORIES.JPG
[13:49] <hamitron> Arch1mede, and I ahven't, so that is positive too
[13:49] <hamitron> :)
[13:50] <Arch1mede> is it?
[13:50] <hamitron> yeh, got stuff I need to do :/
[13:50] <hamitron> keep using IRC as a distraction though
[13:50] <OllieMorfik> ok so every time i rip on somone i shall post a cutesie pony image
[13:50] <Arch1mede> yeah i been playing with mine for the last 3 days....now a new raspbian image is out i wanna mess with
[13:50] <OllieMorfik> to even out the universe
[13:50] <rasp7aa> Ewww bronies
[13:51] <ReggieUK> spam our channel with pony images and it'll be a short visit you'll be having!
[13:51] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said!
[13:51] <OllieMorfik> i prefer the term "pony infatuated adult"
[13:51] <bubu\a> people have any issues with certain types of SD cards or all the same?
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[13:52] * IT_Sean puts up a "No Bronies" sign
[13:52] <rasp7aa> I agree with regee, bronies should be shot
[13:52] <ReggieUK> I have issues with sdCards that have ponies on
[13:52] <OllieMorfik> heh
[13:53] <ReggieUK> I got an 8GB kingston card today, from overclockers.co.uk
[13:53] <OllieMorfik> class?
[13:53] <ReggieUK> and there's a mini bag of haribo tangtastics in the jiffy bag
[13:53] <ReggieUK> class 10
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[13:54] <rasp7aa> Tangfastics are the best haribo
[13:54] <ReggieUK> that's as maybe but what are a bag of them doing being packed with my micro SD card?
[13:54] <rasp7aa> Maybe second best to a bag of only the sour cherries
[13:54] <IT_Sean> bubu\a: Some people have had issues with Class 10 cards. Other than that, any SD card should work.
[13:55] <ReggieUK> most of the issues got fixed afaik
[13:55] <ReggieUK> I bought my class 10 card with a dslr camera in mind too though
[13:55] <Kolin> ReggieUK: overclockes uk often put sweets in deliveries
[13:55] <ReggieUK> so no biggie if it doesn't work
[13:56] <ReggieUK> Kolin, ahh, cool :)
[13:56] <rasp7aa> I wonder if you buy in bulk they'll give you lots of bags or just one per package
[13:56] <ReggieUK> although that must be harsh on my dad when he orders from them
[13:56] <ReggieUK> he's diabetic
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[13:57] <rasp7aa> Unless you're shooting video the speed of an sd isn't really important
[13:58] <ReggieUK> hmmmmn
[13:58] <ReggieUK> not sure I'd agree with that
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[13:58] <rasp7aa> Or a sports photographer
[13:58] <hamitron> is there an image of an OS for the r-pi that loads everything in the RAM yet?
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[13:59] <ReggieUK> again, have to disagree on that rasp7aa :)
[13:59] <rasp7aa> Normal people dont need to take 20 photos at once
[14:00] <ReggieUK> a single raw image from my dslr is 15MB
[14:00] <ReggieUK> it's about 4 years or so old now
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[14:00] <Arch1mede> hamitron: is that even possible?
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[14:01] <hamitron> dunno ;)
[14:01] <hamitron> I'd guess so
[14:01] <Arch1mede> there is very little memory
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[14:01] <nidO> would need to be a very small os
[14:01] <hamitron> there is LOADS of memory ffs
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[14:02] <hamitron> not for modern media perhaps
[14:02] <ReggieUK> steady there hamitron :)
[14:02] <ReggieUK> and I agree
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[14:03] <ReggieUK> there is loads of memory to fit an os in ram
[14:03] <hamitron> ok, maybe not "loads", but "enough"
[14:03] <hamitron> ;)
[14:03] <ReggieUK> there is oooooodles
[14:03] <ReggieUK> there's enough to fit 24 rootfs's in ram
[14:04] <Davespice> hi all, has any had a Wifi adapter working on the new beta Wheezy image? (if so which one?)
[14:04] <ReggieUK> or 1 and have 186MB left over for apps to run in
[14:04] <ReggieUK> 184*
[14:04] <hamitron> I do testing on a machine with 24MB memory
[14:04] <hamitron> so plenty of space for me
[14:04] <hamitron> :)
[14:05] <hamitron> anyways, better go grab food
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[14:05] <ReggieUK> I mess with an embedded that has a recovery os that boots from 8MB of ram
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[14:05] <ReggieUK> loads the recovery OS into ram via USB
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[14:09] <OllieMorfik> well my Wrt54GL has 4MB flash and 16MBram broadcom@200mhz
[14:09] <OllieMorfik> :P
[14:10] <ReggieUK> my parrot photoframe used to have 8MB of ram in it
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[14:10] <ReggieUK> it's got 64MB now though :)
[14:13] <Kasreyn> ogg123 plays the .. tromboon! (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Tromboon-sample.ogg) on squeeze image, but not the wheezy image from 120618
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[14:13] <bubu\a> people running xbmc on the debian squeeze ras or they using rasbmc ?
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[14:14] <OllieMorfik> thought raspbmc was debian base
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[14:28] <bardzusny> arthurdent: any success with wifi?
[14:28] <umami> raspbmc isn't debian based?
[14:29] <bardzusny> I don't think so
[14:29] <sraue> raspbmc is debian + xbmc
[14:29] <frankivo> Raspbmc is a minimal Linux distribution based on Debian
[14:29] <umami> that's what I thought too
[14:29] <frankivo> http://www.raspbmc.com/about/
[14:30] <sraue> OpenELEC is really minimal
[14:30] <bardzusny> hmm
[14:30] <hamitron> do minimal and debian ever belong in the same sentence? ;/
[14:31] <bardzusny> I noticed talk of upstart on raspmbc front page
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[14:31] <sraue> dont think debian is minimal
[14:32] <frankivo> well, default debian install doesnt contain much
[14:32] <tnovelli> me neither.. but a bare-bones debian installer was only ~30 MB last I checked
[14:32] <tnovelli> X doesn't add much either; it's KDE, GNOME, etc that bloat it up
[14:33] <sraue> OpenELEC is 70MB with xbmc, all deps, python, samba etc... complete
[14:33] <hamitron> tbh, the 2.6 linux kernel kinda broke what I consider a small system
[14:33] <frankivo> sraue: sweet
[14:34] <tnovelli> yeah, 70MB is good for a media center
[14:34] <hamitron> that is good for what it does, yeh
[14:34] <tnovelli> hamitron: well 2.4 was a real piece of... poo
[14:34] <drazyltoo> any kernel over 800k is fat
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[14:35] <hamitron> I think I'm just "mr boring" and use the old stuff all the time
[14:35] <hamitron> ;)
[14:35] <hamitron> I stayed on 2.4 for ages
[14:36] <hamitron> but I also stayed on 2.2 ages when 2.4 arrived too
[14:36] * drazyltoo remembers when you could get everything, including X, running in 2Mb
[14:36] <frankivo> so you havent moved to 3 yet?
[14:36] <KebabBob> I just got my pi from DHL... And it's up and running. I don't have a usb keyboard, but when I ssh in and startx I get x up on the display I have connected to the pi. Which is great. How can I get remote access to that screen?
[14:36] <hamitron> no
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[14:36] <hamitron> haha
[14:36] <frankivo> which is pretty much still 2.6 :P
[14:36] <hamitron> oh tell a lie
[14:36] <hamitron> I am testing 3.2 on a ubuntu machine
[14:36] <dwatkins> KebabBob: I think yuo can use x11vnc for grabbing/controlling the local display
[14:36] <tnovelli> drazyltoo: when was that?? X ran awful slow for me in 4MB in 1994
[14:36] <hamitron> but most my machines are still 2.4
[14:37] <drazyltoo> tnovelli - too long ago to remember the year :)
[14:37] <drazyltoo> you couldn't do anything once X was running, admittedly
[14:37] <_inc_pi> KebabBob: ssh -x -v user@address
[14:37] <KebabBob> dwatkins: Thanks, I'll look into that
[14:37] <tnovelli> drazyltoo: yeah :)
[14:37] <tnovelli> 8MB was ok though, as long as you didn't run EMACS
[14:37] <hamitron> do we actually "do much" most of the time? :/
[14:38] <KebabBob> _inc_pi: I'm running windows on my desktop atm, just have linux on the pi and in vmware
[14:38] <_inc_pi> ok im out
[14:38] <tnovelli> anyone remember the 'joe' editor?
[14:38] <_inc_pi> later
[14:38] * hamitron uses joe sometimes
[14:38] <_inc_pi> KebabBob: google Putty
[14:38] <_inc_pi> bbl
[14:38] <hamitron> joe, nano or elvis, depending on my mood ;)
[14:38] <_inc_pi> ttys
[14:38] <_inc_pi> :)
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[14:38] <dwatkins> KebabBob: yeah, ssh -X will allow you to run applications remotely, but with x11vnc you can actually use the existing display that's going out via HDMI, at least that's how it works on my Ubuntu server.
[14:38] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :D
[14:38] <Draylor> a raspberry pi might be small, but it can still run emacs. no need to lower yourself to those noddy editors :p
[14:39] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> I'm running Mac OS on my Raspberry Pi
[14:39] <hamitron> noddy is cool
[14:39] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Emulated, sure
[14:39] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> xD
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[14:39] <hamitron> leave him alone
[14:39] <KebabBob> dwatkins: That's exactly what i want. basically I want to display some data on the display (automatically refreshing webpage in fullscreen), but I need to be able to navigate to that webpage somehow :)
[14:40] <bardzusny> KebabBob: log in via ssh, "export DISPLAY=:0"
[14:40] <OllieMorfik> synergy?
[14:40] <bardzusny> "chromium http://raspberrypi.org"
[14:40] <bardzusny> or whatever you use
[14:40] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> chromium is so slow
[14:40] <OllieMorfik> synergy is a virtual kvm im told
[14:40] <bardzusny> yeah, just example
[14:40] <hamitron> chromium or firefox run on the pi?
[14:40] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> chromium
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[14:41] <bardzusny> hamitron: everything runs
[14:41] <dwatkins> I didn't know the browser had been ported, thought it was just Chrome OS
[14:41] <bardzusny> khm khm...*runs*
[14:41] <bardzusny> some software just walks
[14:41] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Chrome OS hasn't ported yet
[14:41] <dwatkins> well it is a relatively slow machine
[14:41] <bardzusny> and some crawls
[14:41] <dwatkins> TheGuyThatRunsOS: ah ok
[14:41] <hamitron> the memory intensive tendencies of modern web browsers is kinda the main problem I have with the r-pi
[14:41] <nemo> Firefox uses way less memory
[14:41] <KebabBob> http://imgur.com/KoIur
[14:41] <nemo> but unfortunately the debian package has not been updated :(
[14:41] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> nemo, Firefox less memory than Chromium?
[14:41] <nemo> TheGuyThatRunsOS: very.
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[14:42] <zgreg> TheGuyThatRunsOS: yes, absolutely
[14:42] <dwatkins> KebabBob: neat display, what is it?
[14:42] <bardzusny> nemo: iceweasel 13 is in experimental, if that's what you mean
[14:42] <KebabBob> Something I got off dealextreme...
[14:42] <nemo> bardzusny: omg omg omg
[14:42] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> omg
[14:42] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> xD
[14:42] <nemo> bardzusny: there's an actual package???
[14:42] <KebabBob> I can find the link...
[14:42] <nemo> YAAAAY
[14:42] <nemo> bardzusny: linklinklink
[14:42] <bardzusny> packages.debian.org/experimental/iceweasel
[14:42] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> yet, my raspberry pi is inusual
[14:42] <nidO> lynx or links are fairly memory light
[14:42] <nemo> wooooooot
[14:42] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> i'v downloaded yesterday
[14:42] <drazyltoo> KebabBob - looks like you've connected a Pi up to a TomTom :)
[14:42] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Transmision on my Raspberry
[14:42] <nemo> bardzusny: raspberrypi compatible?
[14:42] <bardzusny> but if you guys are running squeeze, be wary of risks that come from mixing experimental with stable
[14:43] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> and all runs soooo slow
[14:43] <OllieMorfik> netsurf
[14:43] <zgreg> TheGuyThatRunsOS: chrome's multiple process model has quite a bit of overhead, and chrome also generally tends to trade speed for high memory usage
[14:43] <nemo> bardzusny: heh. I am on the stock debian package for rpi, so, yes, squeeze :)
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[14:43] <nemo> zgreg: aggressive caching :)
[14:43] <bardzusny> nemo: armel still has old version it seems...
[14:43] <zgreg> a browser that's light on memory and still somewhat usable is netsurf
[14:44] <nemo> zgreg: oh. and their prefetching. according to statcounter, ??s of pages prefetched by chrome are not viewed :)
[14:44] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> i'm waiting yet for X11 aceleration...
[14:44] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> i want it now :D
[14:44] <nemo> zgreg: I used seamonkey ok a few years ago on my 96MiB laptop - so, despite the demands of the modern websites, I'm hoping latest firefox will do well
[14:44] <Dysk> You will be waiting a long time, probably.
[14:44] <bardzusny> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4
[14:44] <nemo> bardzusny: ah. yeah. that's what the packager said when I talked to him
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[14:44] <nemo> bardzusny: let me poke him again
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[14:45] <nemo> zgreg: did you know that if Firefox switched to UTF-8 internally it might save a third on memory usage? :)
[14:45] <nemo> zgreg: string memory usage that is
[14:45] <buzzkill> KebabBob: What type of Display is that?
[14:45] <nemo> but that's a big chunk
[14:46] <KebabBob> Hold on, I'll find the link to the display :)
[14:46] <nemo> ok. maybe not *that* big w/ all the images out there
[14:46] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Someone can resolve me a question?
[14:46] <zgreg> it uses utf-16, right?
[14:46] <nemo> zgreg: yeah. stupid standards
[14:46] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> I have Debian Wheeze, the release of the 10 of this month
[14:46] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> in the public beta
[14:46] <zgreg> utf-16 is indeed pretty stupid
[14:46] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> are a lot of improvements?
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[14:47] <zgreg> it's prettymuch the worst of both worlds. it's not fixed-length, but still wastes a lot of space.
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[14:47] <nemo> zgreg: http://blog.mozilla.org/dmandelin/2008/02/14/wtf-16/ http://utf8everywhere.org
[14:47] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> ASCII in general is a sheet
[14:47] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> the best is binary
[14:47] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> 001010100010101
[14:48] <Kasreyn> UTF-16, also not backwards compatible? not even a little bit..
[14:48] <nemo> zgreg: hm. only 1-2% of memory usage. neeeevermind
[14:48] <nemo> zgreg: but that gives me another idea. I wonder how usable web browsing would be if I unchecked image rendering
[14:48] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Fedora Remix runs good on the RPi?
[14:48] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> i need the best OS for the RPi, the OS that runs faster
[14:49] <KebabBob> buzzkill, drazyltoo, dwatkins: This is the display: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/et-430-4-3-tft-lcd-digital-monitor-for-vehicle-parking-reverse-camera-ntsc-pal-12v-dc-47973
[14:49] <dwatkins> KebabBob: thanks :)
[14:49] <Kasreyn> i installed squeeze upgraded to wheezy works perfectly
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[14:49] <drazyltoo> KebabBob - good resolution for the money
[14:49] <buzzkill> KebabBob: thanks!
[14:50] <nemo> zgreg: http://robert.ocallahan.org/2008/01/string-theory_08.html roc's rant :)
[14:50] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Kasreyn, but runs slow
[14:50] <KebabBob> yeah the text is surprisingly good on it...
[14:50] <nemo> zgreg: "UTF-16 is the devil's work" :D
[14:50] <Kasreyn> TheGuyThatRunsOS: how come?
[14:50] <KebabBob> I'm not sure that resolution is accurate tho :)
[14:50] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Kasreyn, i'v tested to open Transmission and Leafpad
[14:50] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> and runs incredible slow
[14:50] <dwatkins> KebabBob: at a guess I'd say it's probably running at 800x600
[14:50] <hamitron> "Example code for OpenGL ES, OpenMAX and other multimedia APIs is available in the directory /opt/vc/src/hello_pi." <--- anywhere I can download this stuff separate?
[14:50] <nemo> Kasreyn: hm. wheezy runs well on rpi?
[14:50] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> even the Pi get stuck
[14:50] <nidO> TheGuyThatRunsOS: are you talking about slow X performance?
[14:50] <Dysk> TheGuyThatRunsOS, if you're really after speed, Raspbian is probably the way to go.
[14:51] <ReggieUK> those resolutions are usually x3 pixels
[14:51] <nemo> Dysk: I want easy install of development libraries :)
[14:51] <ReggieUK> so that screen is probably 320x something or other
[14:51] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Dysk, Raspbian is fast?
[14:51] <nemo> Dysk: that's what debian is for :-p
[14:51] <Dysk> Though the RPi isn't exactly a performance machine, and never will be.
[14:51] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> But, is Raspbian the faster OS?
[14:51] <Dysk> TheGuyThatRunsOS, it's basically debian wheezy but armhf
[14:52] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> i'm a little noob about the linux world
[14:52] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> xD
[14:52] <nemo> rpi memory is pretty slow, so lightweight performs better
[14:52] <nemo> just use w3m from console :)
[14:52] <dwatkins> yeah, and cmatrix as a screensaver ;)
[14:53] <bardzusny> stock debian armhf ain't raspberry-friendly, is it?
[14:53] <Dysk> No, it's based on a later ARM version
[14:53] <Dysk> ARMv7 where the Pi is ARMv6?
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[14:53] <bardzusny> I think that's about right
[14:53] <Kasreyn> "The official Debian Squeeze image issued by the Raspberry Pi foundation uses "soft float" settings. The foundation found it necessary to use the existing Debian port for less capable ARM devices due to time and resource constraints during development of the Raspberry Pi. Therefore, it does not use of the Pi's processor's floating point hardware - reducing the Pi's performance during floating point intensive applications - or the advanced instructi
[14:54] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> whats the best Raspbian image?
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[14:54] <Dysk> In all likelihood whichever is newest.
[14:54] <neofutur> ( gentoo images have hardfloat : http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f15-Gentoo-Linux.html )
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[14:55] <nemo> TheGuyThatRunsOS: http://www.itworld.com/software/266362/whats-fastest-browser-maybe-youre-measuring-wrong?page=0,2 - fwiw
[14:55] <Dysk> neofutur, yeah, but gentoo is going to be a pain on the RPi if you don't know exactly what you're doing#
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[14:55] <Dysk> neofutur, just imagine someone running 'emerge kde' or something on it
[14:55] <neofutur> debian is always a pain is you don't know exactly what you're doing :p
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[14:55] <nemo> TheGuyThatRunsOS: and they've made even bigger gains in 15 and 16
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[14:56] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> I don't use Chrome, or Firefox
[14:56] <nemo> Internet Explorer forever? :)
[14:56] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> i'v just use Safari
[14:56] <drazyltoo> telnet
[14:56] <nemo> ah. heh.
[14:56] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> easiest for me
[14:56] <erniejunior> is it normal that there are lots of mmc error -110 mesages while booting debian?
[14:56] <erniejunior> i checked both sha2sums
[14:56] <hamitron> tbh, IE 9 isn't bad if you run windows ;)
[14:56] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> erniejunior, SD card compatibily problems?
[14:57] <erniejunior> class 6
[14:57] <Dysk> neofutur, by comparison, 'apt-get install kde' would be somewhat less system-crippling than 'emerge kde'
[14:57] <erniejunior> i took if off my dslr. should not be too slow
[14:57] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Class 6 and Class 10 have compatibility problems, see the eLinux compatibility SD list
[14:57] <erniejunior> damn
[14:58] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Why to run Linux on the Pi having Windows?
[14:58] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Maybe we need to install Windows Me on the Raspberry Pi
[14:58] <kvarley> TheGuyThatRunsOS: That would be incredibly backwards
[14:58] <nidO> good luck with that
[14:58] <Dysk> TheGuyThatRunsOS, that's not possible.
[14:58] <nidO> (hint: impossible)
[14:58] <Dysk> TheGuyThatRunsOS, windows doesn't support ARM at all.
[14:58] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Dysk, i know, just a joke
[14:58] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> ....
[14:58] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :D
[14:58] <kvarley> Nice troll
[14:59] <MikeL> didnt someone get windows 7 working with vmware?
[14:59] <MikeL> or was that just some remote desktop?
[14:59] <dwatkins> TheGuyThatRunsOS: it would run slower than molasses flows then ;)
[14:59] <kvarley> MikeL: That was a remote session
[14:59] <MikeL> ah thought so
[14:59] <nidO> they got it working with vmware viewer, its just a remote desktop basically
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[14:59] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Qemu running Windows Vista on the Raspberry Pi
[14:59] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> thats incredible fast
[14:59] <nidO> the front page title is badly misleading
[14:59] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :D
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[14:59] <nemo> hamitron: IE9 is approaching a modern browser of 3 years ago, yes :)
[15:00] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Browser wars
[15:00] <dwatkins> heh, I got an e-mail from RS with my ID number in it, only 20 days after registering. Received my Pi from Farnell finally a couple weeks ago.
[15:00] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Good, dwatkins.
[15:00] <Kripton> Dysk, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT
[15:00] <nemo> hamitron: http://m8y.org/tmp/people.mozilla.com/~prouget/ie9/ :)
[15:01] <nidO> Kripton: irrelevant, still wont work on the pi
[15:01] <Dysk> Kripton, red herring
[15:01] <nemo> hamitron: actually... meant to link to http://m8y.org/tmp/people.mozilla.com/~prouget/ie9/ie9_vs_fx9.html :-p
[15:01] <Dysk> Kripton, you know perfectly well that isn't what people mean when they ask if the RPi can run windows
[15:01] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> But Windows CE runs on ARM processors
[15:01] <Kripton> nidO, I know that WinRT won't run there
[15:01] <dwatkins> there are many kinds of ARM
[15:01] <nemo> hamitron: anyway. for the web devs, IE9 is a huuuuge improvement, but still pretty frustrating
[15:01] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> why we can't run Windows CE on the RPi?
[15:01] <Kripton> but Dysk just said windows doen't support arm
[15:01] <drazyltoo> because it's rubbish
[15:01] <Kripton> and I would never want to do that :)
[15:01] <Dysk> Kripton, and main branch windows doesn't
[15:02] <Kripton> true
[15:02] <hamitron> nemo, the memory footprint and how "snappy" it feels are good too
[15:02] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> yes, it's rubbish, but it's interesting
[15:02] <RaYmAn> TheGuyThatRunsOS: lack of drivers is shortest explanation.
[15:02] <drazyltoo> interesting is not a word I'd use for WinCE
[15:02] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Yes
[15:02] <nemo> hamitron: memory footprint is not that great. but you have a point on "snappy"
[15:02] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :D
[15:03] <dwatkins> I'd be surprised if WinCE runs on the specific type of ARM in the RPi
[15:03] <drazyltoo> brain-damaged, incompatible, old fashioned, unsuitable are tho
[15:03] <nemo> hamitron: user experience is important, thus http://arewesnappyyet.com which unfortunately they still have blocked :)
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[15:03] <nemo> someone dug it up a few weeks ago, my guess is it links to their UI bugs
[15:04] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> and
[15:04] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> one more question
[15:04] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Gambas works on the RPi?
[15:04] <IT_Sean> Sorry, you have hit your question limit for the day
[15:04] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> am
[15:04] <IT_Sean> You can purchase additional questions for ??2.99 in the gift shop.
[15:04] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> sorry
[15:04] <IT_Sean> I'm kidding. :p
[15:04] <MikeL> :P
[15:05] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Accept PayPal?
[15:05] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :D
[15:05] <markllama> I cede my questions to TheGuy
[15:05] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Thanks, markllama
[15:05] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :P
[15:05] <IT_Sean> I dunno what Gambas is, sorry.
[15:05] <drazyltoo> can you purchase answers, cos I have enough questions already
[15:05] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> that is Gambas, IT_Sean, gambas.sourceforge.net/
[15:05] <IT_Sean> drazyltoo: You can, but answers are ??7 each.
[15:05] <drazyltoo> ahh well
[15:06] <drazyltoo> out of budget already
[15:06] <ukscone> IT_Sean: Gambas is a Visual Basic "clone"
[15:06] <zgreg> TheGuyThatRunsOS: the compatibility problems are not specific to any SD speed class
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[15:06] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> zgreg, i know, but the are more problems with the Class 10
[15:06] <zgreg> maybe, but it's not in any way safe to buy a class 4 card, or something like that
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[15:07] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> i'v bought a Sandisk Extreme HD Video Class 10
[15:07] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> and doesn't works on the RPi
[15:07] <zgreg> also, recently compatibility of firmware and kernel have improved a lot, and the list is very outdated
[15:07] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> zgreg, my Sandisk doesn't run even with the new firmware
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[15:08] <zgreg> yes, I get it. :)
[15:08] <zgreg> but it already stops in the bootloader, does it?
[15:09] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> nope
[15:09] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> doesn't boot anything
[15:09] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> even a flicker of the OK led
[15:09] <zgreg> or does the kernel boot up and you get mmc0 errors?
[15:09] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> anything
[15:09] <zgreg> ok
[15:09] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> any errors
[15:09] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> only stuck green LED
[15:09] <zgreg> I believe I fixed pretty much all of the kernel's compatibility issues
[15:10] <zgreg> but if it doesn't get as far as booting the kernel it won't help, of course :)
[15:10] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> yes :)
[15:10] <phoque> does anybody know the progress of merging the Raspi specific stuff into the mainline kernel?
[15:11] <zgreg> phoque: a lot of code is being rewritten and refactored to make that eventually possible
[15:12] <zgreg> but it will not happen any time soon
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[15:12] <phoque> ok
[15:12] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> i touched the GPIO pins by mistake yesterday
[15:12] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> and the console shows some messages
[15:13] <hamitron> didn't it like it?
[15:13] <hamitron> ;)
[15:13] <IT_Sean> Wha'd you touch it with?
[15:13] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> My fingers
[15:13] <IT_Sean> O_o
[15:13] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :D
[15:13] <BenO> Bridging the power pins (which are next to each other) is a Bad Thing ;)
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[15:14] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> can i disable that pins
[15:14] <BenO> but not sure how your finger could've carried enough current..
[15:14] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> or something?
[15:14] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> i don't have a case for the RPi and i have to be carefull touching it
[15:14] <Kasreyn> so is it ok or not to power RPi with computer USB to USB micro ?
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[15:15] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Read the manual
[15:15] <BenO> Kasreyn, It's not recommended at all - most computers cannot supply near enough power to satify the Pi's needs
[15:15] <Kasreyn> i read "Raspberry Pi Regulatory compliance and safety information"
[15:15] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> The Quick Manual
[15:15] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :D
[15:16] <Kasreyn> heh
[15:16] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> i have to do a case for the RPi
[15:16] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> made of... wood?
[15:16] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> i don't know
[15:16] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :D
[15:16] <Dysk> Kasreyn, it depends what you're plugging the USB end into
[15:16] <Kasreyn> it seems to work just fine. just wanted to know why they would bother to ship this note
[15:17] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> I want a 3D printer to do things like that
[15:17] <Dysk> I'm running mine off the USB port from a laptop, and it works just fine.
[15:17] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> but there are so expensive
[15:17] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :D
[15:17] <Kasreyn> Dysk: that's what i figured
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[15:18] <BenO> Kasreyn, with just a keyboard plugged in to the pi, the current draw approaches 400mA - if your computer USB can supply that reliably, then you should be okay
[15:18] <Kasreyn> correctness is good though. there are "regulatory compliance" to be followed
[15:18] <hamitron> don't some motherboard provide more power on usb?
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[15:19] <hamitron> I just recall something on the specs of my gigabyte mobo
[15:19] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> this case is perfect for the Pi
[15:19] <BenO> Kasreyn, Dysk The point is that power inconsistences can lead to some very odd and irregular problems :) I ran mine off my laptop during the first week, but prefer dedicated supplies
[15:19] <dirty_d> anyone well versed in UEFI booting?
[15:19] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> but is a little expensive
[15:19] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> http://www.shapeways.com/model/572576/raspberry-pi-design-case-v2.html/?material=6
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[15:20] <dwatkins> TheGuyThatRunsOS: I've ordered a case from ModMyPi
[15:20] <Dysk> BenO, this is assuming that you're limited to 500ma from your USB port.
[15:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> most pC's will ahhpy supply more than 500mA to a usb port ...
[15:20] <dwatkins> I use my Tomtom charger to run my RPi - it's rated at 1 Amp.
[15:20] <Dysk> BenO, which I know is technically the standard, but it really seems like modern USB hosts are often built with the knowledge that there are many devices out there that draw more...
[15:20] <BenO> Dysk, yes, I've drawn 600mA+ from one of my laptop ports ;)
[15:21] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> thanks, dwatkins, i'm seeing that page
[15:21] <Dysk> I've a laptop with a 1A USB port designed for phone charging in the house, as well.
[15:21] <Dysk> That would definitely have no problem.
[15:21] <BenO> Nice :)
[15:22] <Kasreyn> i can't get http://archive.raspbian.org/images/rpi_pisces_r2.zip to boot
[15:22] <frankivo> how did you write it to sd?
[15:22] <frankivo> @ Kasreyn
[15:22] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Kasreyn, i'm downloading that image...
[15:22] <Kasreyn> dd if=rpi*img of=/dev/sdc
[15:22] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :(
[15:23] <Kasreyn> better download Hexxeh image aswell
[15:23] <frankivo> Kasreyn: manual says you should use bs=1M
[15:24] <Kasreyn> i figured that's just so it will go quicker
[15:24] <frankivo> im not sure :P
[15:24] <Kasreyn> byte for byte the same thing is written
[15:24] <BenO> It's for the blocksize
[15:24] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> i'll do a case for the RPi on Minecraft
[15:24] <Kasreyn> such bs :D
[15:24] <hamitron> may it reduce the writes?
[15:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> it is dd -bs=1M means a block size of 1Meg much faster
[15:24] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> then, i'll go to Mineways and buy it
[15:24] <dirty_d> if the size of the image isnt a multiple of 1M wont it write more than the size of the image?
[15:24] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> haha
[15:24] <dirty_d> i always just use cat
[15:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> dirty_d no - it will write the correct ammount
[15:25] <BenO> TheGuyThatRunsOS, know of anyone or anyplace nearby you with a 3d printer?
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[15:25] <BenO> or a CNC?
[15:25] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Ben0, http://www.shapeways.com/
[15:25] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> you can do your model, and buy it
[15:25] <BenO> plenty of nice designs for them on thingiverse
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[15:26] <BenO> Sure, I know. Shapeways does a nice job but is expensive
[15:27] <Dysk> Kasreyn, I dunno if #raspbian might be of some help if that doesn't work
[15:27] <_inc_pi> just got a summer job :D more money for pi
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[15:27] <Dysk> _inc
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[15:27] <dibidi_> Hello !
[15:27] <Dysk> _inc_pi, doing what?
[15:27] <dibidi_> Anyone have success with audio output on raspberry pi? (analog here)
[15:27] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Dysk, selling RPi SD Cards with Raspbian installed
[15:27] <_inc_pi> coffee shop to replenish my overdraft
[15:28] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :D
[15:28] <_inc_pi> then IT sector
[15:28] <_inc_pi> thats the plan :D
[15:28] <BenO> dibidi_, what audio are you trying to play? through alsa? raw?
[15:28] <dibidi_> alsa.. mplayer
[15:28] <BenO> Ah, mplayer, my nemesis
[15:28] <IT_Sean> Erft... food service? Really, _inc_pi?
[15:28] <dibidi_> I am running debian wheezy
[15:29] <IT_Sean> I worked in a restaurant for a while. Hated it
[15:29] <Kripton> dibidi_, works may have a little distortion
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[15:29] <_inc_pi> IT_Sean: i know, but im a qualified barista for what its worth. I trained most the staff that were there
[15:29] <dibidi_> Do you know how to make sure the sound comes out of the analog and not HDMI ?
[15:29] <BenO> dibidi_, I did play about with the alsa driver to try to get non-kernel hanging output, but didn't succeed I'm afraid
[15:29] <BenO> dibidi_, and then real life kicked in and I left it
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[15:30] <IT_Sean> Fair 'nuff, _inc_pi. I just know that i'd rather cut my own [censored]s off with a rusty spoon than work in a restuarant ever again.
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[15:30] <BenO> dibidi_, have you enabled the alsa driver?
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[15:30] <dibidi_> No didn't do anything beside installing mplayer
[15:30] <BenO> dibidi_, modprobe snd_bcm2835?
[15:30] <dibidi_> Ok thx a lot for the help. Will try now :)
[15:30] <_inc_pi> IT_Sean: i know all too much :)
[15:30] <BenO> dibidi_, because the alsa driver is broken^H^H^H I mean, in alpha
[15:30] <Kasreyn> alsa _is_ real life
[15:31] <Kasreyn> it's the realest
[15:31] <BenO> dibidi_, that should enable alsa playback, but there is a bug in the driver. It blocks when transferring data and can cause a kernel oops
[15:32] <dibidi_> Ok "works" now. There seem to be some distortion. Thanks for your time and the explaination :)
[15:32] <BenO> dibidi_, you may also need to install alsa, but I don't know if latest build comes with that
[15:32] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> 29 ???
[15:32] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> a print 3d model
[15:32] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> OMG
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[15:32] <BenO> dibidi_, One known bug is that changing volume can cause a system hang...
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[15:33] <BenO> dibidi_, so.. don't do it ;)
[15:34] <BenO> also, the driver ignores any alsa volume and defaults internally to '100' (which is nothing to do with %) - it's an attenuation figure that is convoluted
[15:34] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> ceramic is cheap than plastic?
[15:34] <dibidi_> Ok :) I am trying to get squeezebox (open source logitech music streaming system) to work. I am hopping to transform my raspberry into something useful. Just playing with it for now though ;)
[15:34] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> wtf?
[15:34] <BenO> TheGuyThatRunsOS, I warned you :)
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[15:34] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> BenO, why?
[15:34] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> ahhh
[15:34] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> yes :D
[15:34] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> sorry
[15:34] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> :D
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[15:35] <TheGuyThatRunsOS> Kripton doesn't loves mayus
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[15:35] <BenO> dibidi_, You are not the first to try squeezebox. Good luck, but distortion is one of the issues IIRC. You might want to try a different device to playback on
[15:35] <BenO> dibidi_, as in speaker/amp
[15:36] <dibidi_> I have a USB soundcard lying arround might try that :)
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[15:37] <BenO> dibidi_, the analog jack electrical 'driver' is kinda hacked in direct to the board and I've found it a little sensitive to device draw
[15:37] <dibidi_> I have an amplifier in between so I should not be a issue
[15:37] <BenO> eg crackly through headphones, but eventually gets clear through a dumb amp and same headphones
[15:38] <dibidi_> Homemade amp actualy :) (well it's just a premade amplifier module in a box)
[15:38] <BenO> ah, okay - then the distortion is probably our old friend alsa ;)
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[15:42] <_inc_pi> arrrrrgh i cant make my keyboard british
[15:42] <ReggieUK> make it complain about the weather
[15:42] <BenO> Make it a cup of Tea
[15:42] <BenO> ReggieUK, great minds and all that
[15:42] <ReggieUK> indeed :)
[15:42] <_inc_pi> BenO: i did that for my macbook once, that was exoensive
[15:43] <BenO> Ouch! Silver lining is that you tend not to do it a second time ;)
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[15:45] <_inc_pi> seriously though, how do i make @ and " (and all the other symbols) go to its rightful place?
[15:45] <_inc_pi> what must i reconfigure?
[15:46] <BenO> debian?
[15:46] <_inc_pi> yea
[15:46] <_inc_pi> well raspbian
[15:46] <BenO> "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" IIRC
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[15:47] <BenO> You may have to reconfigure xorg too but it should inherit...
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[15:48] <_inc_pi> i did that but yea, no help
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[15:48] <_inc_pi> must i restart the shell?
[15:48] <BenO> Worth a go (I'm not sure)
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[15:48] <BenO> are you in X? ie LXDE
[15:49] <_inc_pi> nope
[15:49] <_inc_pi> just terminal
[15:49] <_inc_pi> im trying to avoid GUI :D
[15:51] <BenO> _inc_pi, one alternative is to force it using xmodmap - not pretty but less of a black box operation
[15:52] <_inc_pi> oooh think i found it
[15:54] <_inc_pi> i can see why multitasking is not too hot on some smartphones now
[15:54] <nemo> _inc_pi: huh. that's odd. I had the opposite problem
[15:54] <nemo> _inc_pi: the default image had a brit keyboard config
[15:54] <_inc_pi> apt-get is hogging all the memory
[15:54] <_inc_pi> nemo: hexxeh image?
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[15:55] <_inc_pi> ok so i installed console-common
[15:55] <_inc_pi> and changed it though thart
[15:55] <_inc_pi> that *
[15:56] <_inc_pi> @" <--- see
[15:56] <rasper> so no fedora 17 for raspberry yet?
[15:56] <dexterity> When I try to compile xbmc-rbp I get: checking for gcry_control in -lgcrypt... no configure: error: Could not find a required library. Please see the README for your platform.
[15:56] <rasper> I see they released for beagleboard
[15:56] <dexterity> What am I missing?
[15:56] <nemo> _inc_pi: debian
[15:57] <frankivo> dexterity: gcrypt?
[15:57] <dexterity> I am running Arch Linux and libgcrypt is installed
[15:57] <dexterity> checking gcrypt.h usability... yes checking gcrypt.h presence... yes checking for gcrypt.h... yes
[15:57] <megatog615> can i back up a /boot partition, reformat the partition, then restore the backed up files and expect it to work?
[15:58] <frankivo> dexterity: k, was a first guess :)
[15:58] <megatog615> or are /boot partitions specially made for booting?
[16:00] <dexterity> megatog615: shouldn't be a problem
[16:00] <megatog615> there's nothing written in the first 512k or anything like that?
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[16:01] <dexterity> megatog615: you want to get rid of the boot partition?
[16:01] <megatog615> dexterity: yes i want to recreate the partition itself
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[16:03] <dexterity> megatog615: The bootloader is usually installed in the mbr, not the boot partition, so it shouldn't be a problem I guess
[16:03] <MikeL> if i make a backup image of my sd card will it be the full size of the card?
[16:04] <MikeL> because i dont fancy having loads of 16gb isos everywhere :P
[16:04] <zgreg> there's no boot code in the MBR or anything similar
[16:04] <DaQatz> MikeH: You can gzip while you backup
[16:04] <zgreg> the raspberry pi is no an x86 PC with a BIOS ;)
[16:04] <dexterity> on the pi the bootloader isn't on the sd card, so you don't have to worry about that
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[16:04] <dexterity> zgreg: I know
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[16:05] <megatog615> dexterity: well i'm making a duplicate copy of the partition with dd just in case
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> And I notice early raspberries are in the shops, so time to think of the Raspberry Pie ...
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[16:06] <dexterity> megatog615: actually the bootloader may well be on the card, but as long as you put all the files back it should work
[16:07] <dexterity> what matters is that the gpu can run the bootloader and mount rootfs
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[16:12] <rasper> anyone have a timeline on fedora 17 for raspberry?
[16:12] <Gadgetoid> The Raspberry Pi needs an FPGA topping :)
[16:13] <Gadgetoid> rasper: you can install and use the arm nightlies already if you want to
[16:13] <megatog615> dexterity: yay it worked
[16:13] <megatog615> dexterity: thanks for the help
[16:13] <dexterity> megatog615: good
[16:13] <rasper> I see they released for ARM 17 final
[16:13] <nemo> zgreg: so. WRT iceweasel and rpi. I tried http://mozilla.debian.net/ and I get 404s for armel for aurora and beta, squeeze-backports and experimental
[16:13] <dexterity> megatog615: you're welcome
[16:13] <nemo> :-/
[16:13] <rasper> do I need a special version for PI?
[16:14] <megatog615> just copied the files out, then ran mkfs.vfat -F32 -i<old uuid> /dev/<sdwhatever>, then copied the files back
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[16:15] <Gadgetoid> rasper: I used the one from here: http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/arm-nightlies/
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[16:19] <zgreg> nemo: I have iceweasel 10.0 on raspbian, works fine
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[16:20] <nemo> zgreg: ah. do you have a link to the build?
[16:20] <nemo> or did you make it yourself?
[16:20] <zgreg> nemo: it's in the standard repositories
[16:20] <nemo> where? :)
[16:20] <zgreg> in raspbian's repositories
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[16:20] <nemo> fine. JFGI
[16:21] <nemo> zgreg: any version later than 10? Later the better as far as their memory work is concerned
[16:22] <zgreg> nope, I didn't bother to search for anything newer.
[16:22] <zgreg> IIRC iceweasel/firefox 13 is in debian experimental
[16:22] <nemo> hm. archive.raspbian.org is not exactly browsable
[16:23] <nemo> zgreg: doesn't look like it, at least for armel
[16:23] <Hybridsix> we had a pi party last night.
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[16:23] <zgreg> anyway, I think 10.0 is alright
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[16:23] <nemo> http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/i/iceweasel/
[16:23] <zgreg> the big memory consumption changes happened between firefox 5.0 and 9.0
[16:24] <nemo> guess I can try it on the debian image and see what happens
[16:24] <zgreg> no
[16:25] <zgreg> that won't work, the ABIs are incompatible
[16:25] <Hybridsix> http://dumpon.us/307/
[16:25] <nemo> zgreg: huh. why? they are both built for the same device
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[16:25] <zgreg> nemo: hardfloat and softfloat ABIs are incompatible
[16:25] <nemo> zgreg: the zombie compartment thingy in FF15 would be nice-to-have, but, yeah. FF7 was the big turning point
[16:26] <mjr> nemo, welcome to arm :]
[16:26] <Kasreyn> "The official Debian Squeeze image issued by the Raspberry Pi foundation uses "soft float" settings. The foundation found it necessary to use the existing Debian port for less capable ARM devices due to time and resource constraints during development of the Raspberry Pi. Therefore, it does not use of the Pi's processor's floating point hardware - reducing the Pi's performance during floating point intensive applications - or the advanced instructi
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[16:26] <nemo> oh. that's a shame :(
[16:26] <zgreg> well, just use raspbian. it's teh future!
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[16:27] <Kasreyn> just download the raspbian image nemo
[16:27] <nemo> zgreg: how good a coverage does it have of dev libs?
[16:27] <nemo> that was the only reason I picked debian
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[16:27] <zgreg> raspbian is covers 99% of debian wheezy
[16:27] <zgreg> s/is//
[16:27] <nemo> oh. nice
[16:27] <nemo> welp. in that case...
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[16:28] <markllama> Hrrm.
[16:28] <zgreg> nemo: as far as I know the plan is to switch to raspbian for the default distribution at some point anyway
[16:28] <BenO> zgreg, great to hear that raspian is coming along so well now :)
[16:28] <markllama> my pi just shipped. From Birmingham UK to Boston MA via DHL
[16:28] <markllama> what month should I expect it to arrive?
[16:29] <mikey_w> October.
[16:29] <BenO> markllama, <snark> s/month/year/ </snark>
[16:29] <MikeH> I've had stuff US -> UK in 48 hours before
[16:29] <markllama> that's what I'm thinking
[16:29] <markllama> I didn't pay for air
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[16:29] <mikey_w> My PI is still in the ether.
[16:30] <nemo> zgreg: hm. where *is* raspbian?
[16:30] <nemo> zgreg: I don't see it on the downloads page
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[16:30] <zgreg> raspbian.org
[16:30] <nemo> ah. right. ofc.
[16:30] <nemo> jfgi etc
[16:30] <nemo> righto. will mention it to my coworker too
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> I had stuff from Oz to the UK almost faster than I flew back myself, however it took the short route, and I took the long route (ie. I went Oz, Nz, US, London, package went Oz, Singapore, Germany, UK)
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[16:33] <BenO> gordonDrogon, So at some point, the package could've been as physically distant to you as it could possibly be, without going into orbit?
[16:33] <BenO> (opposite sides of the globe at some altitude)
[16:33] <_inc_pi> virgin intergalactic should deliver packages
[16:34] <_inc_pi> airdrop raspberry pis from orbit
[16:34] <nemo> hm. they are so light, that probably would work pretty well
[16:34] <BenO> They can tolerate a decent amount of heat too
[16:34] <nemo> heh
[16:34] <Hybridsix> markllama: good morning .... http://dumpon.us/307/
[16:34] <markllama> morning
[16:34] <nemo> I wonder how much speed they'd get from virgin's altitude before they hit atmosphere
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[16:35] <gordonDrogon> BenO, very probably!
[16:35] <markllama> all the pretty pi's
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[16:35] <gordonDrogon> Five Pi's!
[16:36] <BenO> gordonDrogon, it has a nice poetry to it, going from the furthest it could be to being in your hands...
[16:36] <markllama> I bet terminal velocity is actually pretty low. They're not heavy and I bet the tumble in a turbulent way.
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> BenO, Yea!
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> brb the cooker calls..
[16:36] <_inc_pi> when are we sending a pi into space?
[16:36] <nemo> ahh. 100km up
[16:36] <nemo> markllama: that's in atmosphere
[16:36] <_inc_pi> someone must be doing a baloon or satellite or something
[16:36] <nemo> markllama: remember they have to brake from 100km :)
[16:36] <markllama> yeah....
[16:37] <markllama> "burnt Pi"
[16:37] <nemo> lessee. what's the melting point of the solder on a pi...
[16:37] <Hybridsix> _inc_pi: we're working on it actually. it on our TBD at the lab. :)
[16:37] <Hybridsix> we're talking weatherballoon. webcam. recovery. etc.
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[16:37] <nemo> Hybridsix: no no, delivering RPIs from orbit using virgin galactic :-p
[16:37] <_inc_pi> Hybridsix: ooh, any material online to look at?
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[16:38] <markllama> Raspberry Pi meets LDRS?
[16:38] <nemo> Hybridsix: oh. wait. you are serious
[16:38] <nemo> omg. pics!
[16:38] <nemo> and a how-to
[16:38] <nemo> and a price list
[16:38] <Hybridsix> its just in discussion now, on the private section of our forums. sorry. :)
[16:38] <Hybridsix> lol
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[16:38] <Hybridsix> but!
[16:38] <Hybridsix> if you keep an eye on our webpage
[16:38] <BenO> Hybridsix, I'm imagining a weather balloon taking up a rocket with a Pi strapped to it. Fire the rocket at the high point ;)
[16:38] <Hybridsix> we might post as things get closer.
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[16:39] <Hybridsix> some of our lab members work at NASA, and can get us FAA clearance for the baloon.
[16:39] <Hybridsix> also, they have experience with telemetry and recovery. (the important part)
[16:39] <markllama> yeah. without recovery it's kinda pointless.
[16:39] <_inc_pi> Hybridsix: what radio?
[16:40] <nemo> Hybridsix: I didn't know weather balloons required FAA clearance? I thought it was just polite
[16:40] <Hybridsix> we'll probably be doing a tethered flight within a month.
[16:40] <Hybridsix> nemo: they most certainly do.
[16:40] <markllama> nemo: and you're liable for damages
[16:40] <Hybridsix> and a full flight not too long after.
[16:40] <Hybridsix> we're gonna launch it over the atlantic. and get a boat.
[16:40] <BenO> Hybridsix, I really hope you can pull it off :)
[16:40] <nemo> http://www.chem.hawaii.edu/uham/part101.html
[16:41] <nemo> Hybridsix: hm. those weight limits seem to suggest the pi might be ok
[16:41] <nemo> unless I'm misreading
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[16:42] <gordonDrogon> last batch in the oven now... shame they're not little raspberry pi's...
[16:42] <_inc_pi> i might look into a quadcopter using the pi, have a floating fileserver and torrentbox
[16:42] <_inc_pi> like SHIELD base :)
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[16:43] <nemo> man. I downloaded a ton of stuff to that stock debian image. wasted all their bandwidth
[16:43] * nemo sighs and wipes it
[16:43] <Hybridsix> nemo: the pi will work.
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[16:43] <Hybridsix> we already have a weather balloon
[16:43] <Hybridsix> and the helium.
[16:43] <BenO> _inc_pi You might want to try arducopter and use the rpi to do higher level control
[16:43] <nemo> Hybridsix: yeah. but I mean, the regulations seem to be for larger devices
[16:43] <nemo> Hybridsix: 4 pound payload
[16:43] <BenO> _inc_pi, or take a look at urbi
[16:43] <Hybridsix> nemo: we will use a telemetry box, the pi, webcam, battery packs, etc
[16:43] <_inc_pi> BenO: aeroquad looks cool
[16:43] <nemo> Hybridsix: still, might be able to stay under that weight
[16:43] <nemo> webcams are stupid light today.
[16:44] <BenO> aeroquad merged with another project to form arducopter IIRC :)
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[16:44] <Hybridsix> nemo: the batteries are what gets us.
[16:44] <Hybridsix> we'll probably use some li-po's and dc-dc converters
[16:44] <nemo> "Before they launched the balloon, Yeh said they read the FAA regulations regarding unmanned balloons and came to the conclusion that if their payload was under 4 pounds, "basically, it's unregulated.""
[16:44] <nemo> hey. same conclusion I came to :)
[16:44] <nemo> Hybridsix: you don't need *large* batteries :)
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[16:45] <Hybridsix> nemo: we need enough battery power to last the entire flight, and reovery period.
[16:45] <Hybridsix> at least
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[16:45] <Hybridsix> for the GPS transmitter.
[16:45] <nemo> hm
[16:45] <Hybridsix> the pi probably only has to last a few hours.
[16:45] <Hybridsix> the GPS, perhaps a day or more.
[16:45] <nemo> Hybridsix: transmitting only needs to activate for recovery
[16:45] <nemo> Hybridsix: and only long enough to return coordinates
[16:45] <Hybridsix> yeah. it'll probably be on a second battery
[16:45] <nemo> send you an SMS :)
[16:46] <Hybridsix> nemo: unless its in the ocean.
[16:46] <Hybridsix> which it 90% will be.
[16:46] <nemo> Hybridsix: if it is in the ocean, recovery might be tricky :-p
[16:46] <nemo> maybe you should do a land flight
[16:46] <Hybridsix> im lining up a 40' boat.
[16:46] <Hybridsix> nemo: we live in florida.
[16:46] <Hybridsix> it'll be in the water.
[16:46] <nemo> I bet a road trip would be cheaper :-p
[16:46] <IT_Sean> Your going to need a bigger boat.
[16:46] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:46] <Hybridsix> there's only 100 miles from coast to coast, maybe lol.
[16:47] <three14_2> Hybridsix, where in FL?
[16:47] <Hybridsix> orlando
[16:47] <nemo> Hybridsix: balloons don't travel that far
[16:47] <three14_2> WHOA, i used to live in Leesburg!
[16:47] <Hybridsix> nemo: we'll most likely launch it from nasa property.
[16:47] <_inc_pi> send it to us via the jetstream
[16:47] <Hybridsix> so, on the east coast.
[16:47] <nemo> Hybridsix: from googling on flights to 30,000m they end up landing like, just down the road
[16:47] <Hybridsix> neat three14
[16:47] <nemo> 50km away or less
[16:47] <Hybridsix> btw, three14_2 http://dumpon.us/307/
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[16:47] <nemo> Hybridsix: ballooon shoots up, pops, payload comes back down
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[16:48] <Hybridsix> hrm
[16:48] <Hybridsix> if we launch it from orlando then.
[16:48] <Hybridsix> we might not have to have a boat.
[16:48] <nemo> Hybridsix: or launch from texas
[16:48] <nemo> ROAD TRIP
[16:48] <three14_2> Hybridsix, aww, come on, where are MY cases? haha
[16:48] <Hybridsix> lol.
[16:48] <Hybridsix> we cut 4 more after that picture was taken.
[16:48] <Hybridsix> the laser was down for maintenance for a few hours last night.
[16:48] <three14_2> You guys have no shortage of Pis to put in them, eh?
[16:49] <nemo> Hybridsix: and if that weight is light enough, unregulated :) although presumably avoiding cities would be a good idea
[16:49] <nemo> besides a parachute landing on someone's roof, you might never get it back
[16:49] <Hybridsix> three14_2: come and bug us in #familab, and we'll cut you one.
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[16:49] <nemo> 1.8kg - that's a lot of weight actually
[16:49] <markllama> oh were those at the meeting last night?
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[16:49] <Hybridsix> yeah markllama
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[16:50] <markllama> how do you cut the material?
[16:50] <markllama> a computerized millling machine?
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[16:52] <Hybridsix> markllama: we have a 40w CO2 Laser
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[16:52] <markllama> oh. of course... doesn't everyone?
[16:52] <Hybridsix> hehe. :)
[16:52] * IT_Sean keeps one in his back pocket, just in case. :p
[16:52] <markllama> I mean, I'd do it myself but my CO2 laser is out for repair.
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[16:54] <gordonDrogon> there has to be some irony about making quche lorraine when you're a programmer ...
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[16:55] <gordonDrogon> I suppose it's OK as long as I don't actually eat it ...
[16:55] <IT_Sean> Indeed. Real men don't eat quiche.
[16:55] <Streakfury> Urgh, quiche :P
[16:56] <Gadgetoid> I don't understand quiche
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[16:56] <Streakfury> It's like it takes a lot of perfectly good foodstuffs, and then mashes them all into something inedible :s
[16:56] <nemo> Does anyone here know anything about building against SDL w/o using X?
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> actually... I do like quiche, but only when make properly... ie. mine :)
[16:57] <nemo> I was looking at http://wiki.meego.com/SDL_Gles and wondering if, w/ tweaking, it might allow that
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> nemo, yes. I've built stuff that uses SDL and no X.
[16:57] <nemo> gordonDrogon: what parts of SDL did you use?
[16:57] <Gadgetoid> Streakfury: it must surely be one of those ancient dishes which was born out of poverty
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> brb oven again. the last batch is done...
[16:57] <nemo> gordonDrogon: did you get an SDL window?
[16:57] <BenO> nemo, using SDL for the kbd+mouse?
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[16:57] <nemo> BenO: yeah :-/
[16:57] <nemo> BenO: also networking and image loading
[16:57] <Gadgetoid> We don't eat offal that much anymore, so can we stop it with the quiche, too?
[16:57] <nemo> although image loading might go away.
[16:57] <nemo> BenO: kbd/mouse is probably the big one.
[16:57] <BenO> nemo, ioquake3 port used a similar hack
[16:58] <Streakfury> Gadgetoid: Yeah probably. Just cram it all into one dish and hope for the best :D
[16:58] <nemo> BenO: if it was just the GL context, could just create that myself
[16:58] <nemo> BenO: and network isn't crucial at first
[16:58] <BenO> nemo, you need to get a null window for SDL and then use BCM to get an Opengles context
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[16:58] <zgreg> meh, nobody is interested in my gpio-spi sd/mmc interface hack :)
[16:58] <nemo> BenO: ooooh
[16:58] <zgreg> I think it's awesome
[16:58] <nemo> BenO: do you have a link to this hack? I didn't think that would work
[16:59] <nemo> BenO: the window is just blank and then the gl is drawn on top?
[16:59] <BenO> nemo, however, I didn't succede with SDL so I just read the mouse direct
[16:59] <nemo> BenO: I assume fullscreened?
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> right. they're cooling nicely. I'll do all the meat tomorow as that's a PITA requiring a full clean-down & disinfect..
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> nemo, I just used standard SDL.
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> nemo, and my program runs under X or on the console.
[16:59] <nemo> gordonDrogon: yeah, the game builds fine like that, but performance is crap
[16:59] <nemo> gordonDrogon: 5 or 6 fps is barely playable
[17:00] <BenO> nemo, whatever size you want, but X has no knowledge of it. SDL hack is in https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3 someplace
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> nemo, make sure you are using 16bpp!!!
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[17:00] <nemo> gordonDrogon: software rendering is always slow, regardless of bpp :)
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> nemo, I can get 27fps moving 100 64x64 sprites in my BASIC on the console...
[17:00] <nemo> gordonDrogon: heh. we do a LOT more draws than that :)
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> before I switched to 16bpp it was much much slower.
[17:00] <nemo> hm
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[17:00] <nemo> gordonDrogon: welp. I'll check
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> so maybe it's the ARM that's slow.
[17:01] <BenO> nemo mouse hack: http://www.gostai.com/doc/en/urbi-tutorial-1.0/urbi-tutorial.balltracking.html#id2545463
[17:01] <nemo> still, accelerated would be nice
[17:01] <BenO> nemo, https://github.com/benosteen/pyopengles/blob/master/pyopengles/pymouse.py sorry, ignore last!
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> Try using a dummy framebuffer.
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[17:01] <gordonDrogon> ie. you need to know if it's the ARM or the framebuffer that's the bottleneck.
[17:01] <_inc_pi> someone mention this nick please
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> this nick please
[17:02] <_inc_pi> thanks gordonDrogon
[17:02] <_inc_pi> :D
[17:02] <BenO> nemo, how heavily are you using blitting?
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> you mean line _inc_pi ?
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> getting the blitting into the GPU would be nice. it can access RAM much faster.
[17:02] <_inc_pi> gordonDrogon: thanks, testing irssi script
[17:02] <nemo> BenO: we aren't using SDL for drawing
[17:02] <nemo> BenO: just for the context
[17:03] <nemo> draws are done using standard GLES11 (and now GLES2)
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[17:03] <gordonDrogon> beyond me. I use SDL to poke pixels into the framebuffer..
[17:03] <Gadgetoid> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1zxDa3t0fg there is simply no way you can excuse this
[17:03] <nemo> BenO: if we could just get a nice reliable window from SDL, and events, I'd be happy
[17:03] <BenO> nemo, fair enough, something sounds slow though
[17:03] <nemo> BenO: slow??
[17:03] <nemo> BenO: you kidding? :)
[17:03] <nemo> that's the whole reason we ditched SDL for drawing :D
[17:04] <BenO> 5/6fps?
[17:04] <nemo> admittedly that was years ago. they've gotten better since
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[17:04] <nemo> BenO: 5 or 6 fps for software emulation of opengl is amazingly good
[17:04] <nemo> BenO: but yes. very slow. we need hardware rendering
[17:04] <BenO> Oh I see, so not on the Pi?
[17:04] <nemo> BenO: that's on the pi, but. if SDL is running as default, it gets the GL context from X
[17:04] <nemo> and there is no acceleration for X on the pi yet
[17:05] <_inc_pi> Gadgetoid: haha
[17:05] <nemo> BenO: we can create the GL context ourselves, but that doesn't solve the mouse/keyboard problem
[17:05] <BenO> You can't get GL from X atm, but you can get a context
[17:05] <nemo> that's why I was interested in this hack you mentioned
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[17:05] <BenO> nemo, ah, then a dummy window should be what you need
[17:05] <Hybridsix> next tuesday, Ben0
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[17:05] <nemo> BenO: m'k. I guess it would need to be fullscreen to not insanely complicate things
[17:06] <_inc_pi> Gadgetoid: to be fair, its still pretty protype right? or is it coming soon?
[17:06] <BenO> nemo, just hidden actually
[17:06] <BenO> nemo, the context will overlay over the top of the /dev/fb0 layer
[17:06] <nemo> sure
[17:06] <nemo> BenO: but. I mean, the mouse/keyboard coordinates need to be correct
[17:06] <nemo> well. mouse in particular
[17:06] <nemo> keyboard just needs to be captured ofc :)
[17:06] <Gadgetoid> _inc_pi: if anyone else had released a "pretty prototype" this far before shipping, we'd jump to call it vaporware and rightly slow
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, hehe surface sunk..
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[17:07] <Gadgetoid> Heard of Zune?
[17:07] <nemo> BenO: well. I've never made a null SDL window. maybe that's just how it works. grabs everything on the entire screen
[17:07] <BenO> ah sure, I see. kbd should work fine, mouse may need fullscreen but you might find you don't need.
[17:07] <nemo> BenO: I'll look into that idea. thanks.
[17:07] <Gadgetoid> Skip to 0:51 and look at all the glowing Apple logos in the audience, ahahaha
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[17:10] <trevorman> free flash samples if you qualify. http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/06/20/spansion-serial-flash-sample-offer/
[17:11] <Gadgetoid> I suspect "quality" means "not be some guy hacking together components on a breadboard in his bedroom"
[17:12] <Gadgetoid> qualify* even
[17:12] <nemo> Hybridsix: http://space.1337arts.com/comment-page-69#comment-33458 - hey, these guys are in your area
[17:13] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: I was looking into flash and eeprom ICs recently, ultimately resolved to just dig an old MMC card out of a box and use that instead
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[17:13] <trevorman> *shrug* can't hurt to give it a go if you do actually have a use for those parts
[17:13] <trevorman> worst they'll do is say no :)
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[17:14] <Gadgetoid> Truth! I'd need a breakout to use them in my breadboarding escapades though
[17:14] <three14_2> Hmm, can anyone tell me what some indicators of SD card corruption or death are? The Pi ran fine last night with my 8GB card, won't boot here at work. OK led flashes a few times, then goes out. Only the PWR led stays on. I swapped it out for my 2GB backup card and it boots fine.
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[17:14] <IT_Sean> Sounds like a bad card.
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[17:15] <three14_2> IT_Sean, already? it's new. :-\
[17:15] <Gadgetoid> three14_2: the Pi can randomly dislike SD cards, try pushing it in firmly, check the lock switch if there is one (not sure if that helps anyway) and reboot a couple of times
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[17:15] <Gadgetoid> My Pi will go from running fine from its SD card, to sporadically not wanting to boot
[17:15] <_inc_pi> blow into the slot NES style
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[17:16] <Gadgetoid> I think I might have tried that??? it's a sort of magic ritual
[17:16] <markllama> heh
[17:16] <nemo> BenO: oh. since you brought this up before http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5VBLHZpko
[17:16] <three14_2> i actually did blow in it. :-|
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[17:17] <three14_2> no go, refuses to boot the card.
[17:18] <nemo> BenO: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/07/vulture_2/
[17:18] <nemo> there are actually a ton of hits for rockoon
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[17:19] <BenO> nemo, look at the rpi quake port, https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3/blob/master/code/sys/sys_main.c has some info too. The RPi port preprocessor flag seems to be VCMODS_NOSDL
[17:19] <BenO> nemo, nice :)
[17:19] <nemo> 'k
[17:19] <BenO> nemo, line 606 in the sys_main.c
[17:19] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: WP switch does nothing. The socket has a switch for it but they didn't wire it up :|
[17:19] <nemo> BenO: NOSDL sounds worrying though
[17:19] <nemo> BenO: definitely need *some* SDL :-p
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[17:20] <BenO> nemo, It's a bad name, but I assume the VC == VideoCore, which is how Broadcom folk refer to the GPU activities :)
[17:20] <BenO> so VC not thru SDL is how I read it
[17:20] <BenO> It unfocuses and minimises the window it seems
[17:20] <macbeth99> Guys, can anybody help me? I just received a HDMI->DVI-D cable yesterday and plugged in my RPi. The cable works, but I can see a black border around the area of the screen that is supposed to be used. I explicitly set the resolution to 1280x1024 but the screen properties window says it's 1164x928.
[17:21] <BenO> macbeth99, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt disable overscan
[17:21] <macbeth99> It's a proper LCD display not a TV BTW (Dell 1703FP to be precise)
[17:21] <BenO> or one of those setting anyhow
[17:21] <macbeth99> BenO: I did. Just made the picture blurry
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[17:21] <nemo> BenO: huh. I don't get how that would have the right mouse coordinates, but ok :)
[17:22] <nemo> BenO: can certainly try
[17:22] <BenO> nemo, nor do I! It's one reason why I went with a quick hack to just read the mouse device ;)
[17:22] <Hybridsix> BenO: start with the disable_overscan
[17:22] <Hybridsix> and then
[17:22] <Hybridsix> make sure yoru monitor is set to "just scan" or no scaling
[17:23] <Hybridsix> and then
[17:23] <Hybridsix> make sure you're at the native resolution for your monitor.
[17:23] <Hybridsix> if its a long cable, you may need to increase the HDMI power/drive
[17:23] <Hybridsix> rather
[17:23] <Hybridsix> that was meant for macbeth99
[17:23] <Hybridsix> ^^ sorry BenO
[17:23] <BenO> Hybridsix, np :)
[17:23] <macbeth99> Hybridsix: the cable is 2.5M, would that be too long?
[17:23] <nemo> BenO: oh. you did the quake port?
[17:23] <nemo> BenO: p'raps you could help w/ ours :)
[17:23] <Hybridsix> nah. shouldnt be.
[17:24] <BenO> nemo, Oh no, Dom did
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[17:24] <BenO> or I believe he did (popcornmix)
[17:24] <Hybridsix> you chould always bump the power up a bit, wont hurt anything.
[17:24] <macbeth99> Hybridsix: I'll try in a moment
[17:24] <Hybridsix> we had a crappy cable we were using at the lab that needed more power.
[17:24] <Hybridsix> but
[17:24] <Hybridsix> matching the resolutions are important.
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[17:25] <macbeth99> Hybridsix: I explicitly set the native resolution, ie monitor profile nr 35
[17:25] <BenO> nemo, You should be able to get away with a stock SDL, doing an SDL_Init with just Video (to kick off event handling etc), and hiding the window
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[17:25] <nemo> BenO: this hiding window seems tedious
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[17:25] <nemo> BenO: and doing your own mouse capture
[17:26] <nemo> BenO: it'd be nice if one could just fullscreen and still get SDL events
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[17:26] <BenO> nemo, agreed. The mouse capture might be part of the quake3 code, as it seems to have a number of workarounds for macosx mice and so on in there
[17:26] <three14_2> lol, let's hope that this kingston card read works on the Pi. I'd like to at least grab some data off the 8GB problem card.
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[17:26] <BenO> nemo, yep, would be nice just simply to get a context through X!
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[17:26] <nemo> BenO: hm. maybe I really can just throw away the SDL context and toss in one of my own!
[17:27] * nemo hopes
[17:27] <nemo> BenO: or the null thing, whatever.
[17:27] <IT_Sean> why does Hybridsix keep saying "client disconnected - bounced out"?
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[17:27] <nemo> BenO: totally trying it tonight!
[17:27] <BenO> nemo, that's what I (and the ioq3 port) does :)
[17:27] <trevorman> IT_Sean: I assume he's got an IRC bouncer and it annoyingly announces when he disconnects from it
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[17:27] <IT_Sean> That's really irritating
[17:28] <BenO> nemo, http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/using-opengl-es-2-0-on-the-raspberry-pi-without-x-windows/ you can get raw context like this
[17:28] <trevorman> yup
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> I'm not using the mouse in my SDL app... Mabre one day I might though
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[17:28] <IT_Sean> Hybridsix: turn off the annouancement, if you want to keep that bouncer, mkay!?
[17:28] <nemo> BenO: yeah, I've seen that
[17:28] <nemo> BenO: although more work needs to be done since the game is written in pascal
[17:28] <BenO> nemo, you might be able to pass that context back into SDL for the SDL es lib
[17:28] <nemo> BenO: bindings really
[17:28] <BenO> nemo, ah... ouch!
[17:29] * BenO knows nothing about pascal<->C bindings...
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> pascal? people still use that??
[17:29] <Hybridsix> heh... sorry, forgot that was even still on IT_Sean
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[17:29] * BenO <3's python's ctypes
[17:29] <macbeth99> OK, disabling overscan. Wish me good luck.
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[17:30] <nemo> gordonDrogon: lol. this from the guy using basic :-p
[17:30] <BenO> nemo +1 ;)
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> nemo, Hey, I *wrote* the BASIC :)
[17:30] <nemo> all the more crazy :-p
[17:31] <nemo> gordonDrogon: http://code.google.com/p/hedgewars/source/browse/hedgewars/hwengine.pas
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> although as a uny project I did once write the input, editor and expression evaluator of a BASIC in ... Pascal...
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> ah, it's hedgehog wars.
[17:31] <nemo> gordonDrogon: not using object oriented though
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[17:32] <gordonDrogon> wow - long time since I looked at Pascal! :=
[17:32] <nemo> gordonDrogon: good old fashioned structs and function pointers :)
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[17:32] <gordonDrogon> nemo my Basic is bog-standard C.
[17:32] <nemo> gordonDrogon: but, you know, function/operator overloading and units since it isn't C :)
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[17:33] <nemo> gordonDrogon: unc0rr is writing a pascal to C converter for the game, just for the purposes of cross-compiling to javascript :D
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> the sdl init stuff is http://unicorn.drogon.net/screenKeyboard.c and rtb.c - someone on the forums was asking about it a while back.
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[17:33] <BenO> nemo O.o
[17:33] <nemo> gordonDrogon: pascal -> C -> llvm -> javascript
[17:33] <nemo> gordonDrogon: he's writing his converter in haskell
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[17:33] <macbeth99> Thanks to everyone for helping me. Everything works perfectly. disable_overscan=1 worked. I didn't expect I needed that.
[17:34] <BenO> nemo, hey, pascal has ctypes too! that should be a quick route :)
[17:34] <nemo> gordonDrogon: still has about a dozen errors. but getting there
[17:34] <BenO> nemo, a technicolour workflow :)
[17:34] <nemo> BenO: http://code.google.com/p/hedgewars/source/browse/hedgewars/SDLh.pas#873 etc
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[17:35] <nemo> BenO: just need a few more of those
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> can't you just compile the pascal using one of the free pascal compilers out there?
[17:35] <nemo> gordonDrogon: erm. to get llvm?
[17:35] <nemo> unfortunately fpc does not support llvm output :(
[17:35] <three14_2> is it possible that the pi could have damaged an sd card?
[17:35] <BenO> nemo, thanks, I was ignorant of how pascal does it :)
[17:35] <nemo> gordonDrogon: for compiling for the pi, it works just fine as is. just need to speed it up. thus the gl context discussion
[17:35] <nemo> gordonDrogon: once that is fixed. GAME ON
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> o
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> k
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[17:36] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, I understand it's technically possibly, however I doubt it's easilly do-able, but ...
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[17:45] <tech2077> finally
[17:45] <_inc_pi> why does PiBot +v people?
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[17:45] <tech2077> hd44780 being controlled over i2c using a pca8574
[17:46] <tech2077> need to put this one up
[17:47] <OsakaFoo> oooh it wants 5V not 5.1V ...
[17:47] <_inc_pi> tech2077: sweet, what are you displaying from it?
[17:47] <IT_Sean> _inc_pi: because we told him to.
[17:47] <_inc_pi> or intend to display when its done
[17:47] <_inc_pi> IT_Sean: the channel isnt +m though
[17:47] <IT_Sean> No, but it CAN be.
[17:48] <_inc_pi> :D
[17:48] <IT_Sean> inc, we know what we be doing here.
[17:48] <_inc_pi> move along
[17:48] <_inc_pi> :P
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[17:49] <tech2077> _inc_pi, sensor readings
[17:49] <tech2077> and maybe after a while, port a tty driver to it
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[17:50] <enthusi> tech2077: very cool
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[17:51] <enthusi> pca8574?
[17:51] <enthusi> aahh
[17:51] <enthusi> the LCD aint i2c
[17:51] <enthusi> just the pca8574 is
[17:51] <enthusi> ok, understood
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[17:51] <enthusi> there _are_ i2c displays available as well
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[17:52] <_inc_pi> eventually i want to have a homebrew everything
[17:53] <_inc_pi> dont know where to start with display though
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[17:54] <BenO> adafruit's got some nice addressable displays
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[17:54] <IT_Sean> Are you looking for serial character displays?
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[17:55] <_inc_pi> full color or mono lcd
[17:55] <BenO> eg http://www.adafruit.com/products/376
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, your running the display in 4-bit mode?
[17:55] <IT_Sean> i dunno if it's what you are looking for, but, crystalfontz makes some good character LCDs.
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[17:57] <gordonDrogon> Hm. the only LCDs I have right now are 5V ones.
[17:57] <_inc_pi> IT_Sean: their tft look nice, goof project to learn?
[17:57] * IT_Sean shrugs
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[17:58] <three14_2> http://i.imgur.com/Hn9pS.jpg
[17:58] <three14_2> that's mine, or was til the sd card went to hell. lol
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[18:00] <_inc_pi> i like the case you designed
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[18:01] <three14_2> _inc, pahaha, oh you kill me. ;), that's just an adafruit pi box without the protective film removed because i don't have fingernails
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[18:02] <BenO> My RPi case is a cable tie ;)
[18:02] <Matt> a pi tie?
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[18:02] <ratherDashing> my case is it laying on top of the anti-static bag it came in
[18:03] <BenO> Matt, :)
[18:03] <ratherDashing> which is sitting on top of my receiver
[18:03] <_inc_pi> i've elastic'd mine to the package box for wight and accesibility
[18:03] <_inc_pi> weight *
[18:03] <Matt> ratherDashing: silver bag?
[18:03] <ratherDashing> yes sir, the silver anti static bag
[18:03] <Matt> you might wanna check how conductive that is
[18:04] <ratherDashing> they are slightly conductive, but not enough to short anything out
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[18:04] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, well, evidently the card itself is fine, but it was corrupted all to hell. Puzzling as to why leaving it on overnight would do that.
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[18:05] <BenO> three14, power fluctuations?
[18:06] <_inc_pi> three14_2: my electronics knowledge is limited, but apparently some of the fuses take a while to reset
[18:06] <three14_2> BenO, i suppose anything is possible. But I'm not sure how. I had the kindle charger hooked to it, and the charger to a UPS.
[18:06] <BenO> three14, huh... that doesn't make fluctuations likely
[18:06] <three14_2> _inc, had no issues with fuses. just sdcard corruption. re-wrote a backup image i made two days ago, and all is well again -- for now.
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[18:08] <_inc_pi> three14_2: i was reading in the forums about the same issue a few days ago. that was apparently a solution. uunplug the pi and let the fuses reset. personally i dont know, i've had the same thing as you before
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[18:09] <nemo> BenO: Displacer thinks your advice might be helpful for his on-again/off-again fiddling w/ a meego port.
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[18:12] <BenO> nemo, Oh cool :) I'm glad it might help!
[18:13] <Kasreyn> took the RPi home now it won't bring up eth0, any ideas?
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[18:14] <Kasreyn> it was working fine before
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[18:19] <Matt> Kasreyn: same psu?
[18:20] <_inc_pi> clear
[18:20] <_inc_pi> silly me
[18:21] <lennard> quite
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[18:21] <_inc_pi> inc
[18:21] <_inc_pi> hunter2
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[18:21] <Kasreyn> Matt: no. powered by different computer over USB
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[18:23] <lrvick> Anyone have a clue of what pinouts to use to hook one of these up directly? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007LO3Y9W/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M2T1_SC_dp_1 ?
[18:25] <_Lucretia_> lrvick: I was considering doing the same
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[18:26] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, you'll need 4 pins for data and 3 for signalling plus a separate power supply for the backlight.
[18:26] <_Lucretia_> lrvick: adafruit has a tutorial on it - well, the founder does on her ladyada pages
[18:26] <_Lucretia_> but that tut is for arduino
[18:26] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: a seperate power supply? i says its 3.3v...
[18:26] <Gadgetoid> lrvick: go bigger! looks naff :D
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, It might be ok on the Pi's 3.3, but the backlight LEDs will need a few milliamps..
[18:27] <Gadgetoid> I'll be hooking this up to my Pi eventually: https://www.adafruit.com/products/438
[18:27] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: do the gpio pins not provide enough current?
[18:28] <Gadgetoid> lrvick: you'd probably have to breadboard up a little voltage regulator circuit and use the Pi's 5v pin
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I fancy one of these: http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/color-128x128-nokia-knock-p-663.html
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[18:29] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, you probably don't want to drive the BACKLIGHT from the gpio. gpio pins are limited to 16mA.
[18:29] <lrvick> Gadgetoid: thats sad :(
[18:29] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: i wanted to avoid having to have a big daughter board. i want an lcd that ffits neatly in my case
[18:29] <lrvick> Gadgetoid: *
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> the logic side will be fine at 3.3 off the Pi - I'd just be wary of the backlight.
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[18:30] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: that looks sexy!
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[18:31] <Gadgetoid> lrvick: a voltage reg only requires a few components, you could probably make it tiny on a PCB
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, you need 30mA to drive the backlight. Probably OK to connect directly to the Pi's 3.3V pin on the GPIO.
[18:31] <Gadgetoid> You can get away with *just* the voltage reg on its lonesome, as I doubt the decoupling caps will be of much use in such a simple setup, but I'm a noob and am not to be listened to :D
[18:31] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: ooo, only 30mA? probably wont be so lucky with a colour LCD :D
[18:32] <Gadgetoid> And on that note, I must depart! whee
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> I got the PDF..
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[18:33] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, you'll need some external components too - a potentiometer to adjust the display contrast.
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[18:40] <_inc_pi> can you watch video without X, just plain command line?
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[18:41] <nperry> in
[18:42] <ratherDashing> omxplayer doesn't use X
[18:42] <ratherDashing> it just dumps the video straight to the hdmi port through whatever DSPs are on the chip to decode the video
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[18:42] <_inc_pi> pi suuport?
[18:43] <ratherDashing> does the pi support what? it supports mpeg4 and x.264 through hardware.
[18:43] <ratherDashing> everything else would have to be decoded via the cpu so you won't be able to do anything 1080p, but maybe a rinky dink xvid or something, who knows
[18:44] <_inc_pi> i meant are there binaries for pi?
[18:44] <_inc_pi> build from git source right?
[18:44] <ratherDashing> what distro are you running?
[18:45] <_inc_pi> raspbain
[18:45] <ratherDashing> i believe it's in the rpi repo
[18:45] <_inc_pi> raspbian * (typos galore here)
[18:45] <_inc_pi> thanks ratherDashing
[18:45] <ratherDashing> deb http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[18:46] <ratherDashing> then sudo apt-get install omxplayer
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[18:50] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: could I not just adjust the contrast once ona breadboard? or must it be constantly attached?
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, you probably could get away with that.
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[18:52] <lrvick> I just wonder if it will retain memory of that setting on a power cycle
[18:52] <erniejunior> after i moved the root fs to my usb stick, the /boot folder is empty. obviously running a linux without kernel.img O.o ?
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[18:53] <gordonDrogon> erniejunior, does it boot?
[18:53] <trevorman> erniejunior: you're either not mounting /boot or you haven't rebooted yet
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[18:53] <erniejunior> yes it boots and it is a lot faster now
[18:53] <erniejunior> so i am assuming i am running off the stick
[18:54] <samb> hihi, when a GPIO is set to output.. does it output a voltage?
[18:54] <erniejunior> i also can easily remove the sd card while running
[18:54] <trevorman> the root FS is but your bootloader + kernel are still on your SD card
[18:54] <erniejunior> and it just runs on
[18:54] <ratherDashing> /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /boot
[18:54] <erniejunior> no it is not mounted
[18:54] <ratherDashing> yer boot partition is mounted to boot
[18:54] <trevorman> thats because its already loaded the bootloader + kernel and the root FS is on the USB stick now
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[18:54] <trevorman> if your SD card really didn't have anything in the boot partition then the RPi wouldn't work at all
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[18:55] <erniejunior> of course the is some content on the sd card
[18:55] <ratherDashing> yeah it doesn't boot off hopes and dreams
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> samb, it can be programmed to be 3.3v or 0v.
[18:55] <ratherDashing> there has to be a primary fat parition as the first partition and it has to be on the sd card
[18:55] <erniejunior> but i can not see it after booting my pi
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[18:56] <ratherDashing> so mount it. mmcblk0p1
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[18:56] <erniejunior> that does not work because it is not in /dev/
[18:56] <ratherDashing> dmesg | grep mmc
[18:57] <samb> gordonDrogon: so, in the current GPIO tutorial floating around (on the frontpage) the circuit flows from 3.3v - resistor - LED - GPIO (Output), does this mean the GPIO is 0v (to complete the circuit?)
[18:57] <erniejunior> lots of : [ 472.913068] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
[18:57] <erniejunior> i wonder why the system started at all
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> samb, which tutorial - there are many..
[18:57] <erniejunior> my sd card is one of the non compatible ones
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[18:58] <samb> gordonDrogon: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1417 - this is the diagram http://imgur.com/UsrSM
[18:58] <ratherDashing> well the chip had no problem loading the firmware and kernel to memory but for some reason then it couldn't see itself again it appears, i blame screwy partitioning
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[18:58] <ratherDashing> kinda like back in the day where you could boot off a cd but your cdrom wasn't supported by the kernel
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> samb, Hm. Yes. Never notice that they were wired that way. IT will work, you need to write 0 to the GPIO pin to make the LED go on.
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> samb, and write 1 to turn the LED off.
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> samb, some people like doing it that way and some hardware prefers it that way, but I think the BCM chip can drive more than it can sink, so best to do it the other way and go GPIO -> Resistor -> LED -> 0v.
[19:00] <erniejunior> hmm
[19:00] <samb> gordonDrogon: that's the way that made sense to me! i thought it looked strange
[19:00] <trevorman> erniejunior: its not needed once the kernel is loaded and running
[19:00] <erniejunior> so how would i diagnose the problem any further?
[19:01] <trevorman> erniejunior: everything in /boot is just for the initial bootup
[19:01] <trevorman> erniejunior: upgrade your kernel + bootloader if you haven't done so already
[19:01] <erniejunior> yes but i would like to update my kernel
[19:01] <trevorman> erniejunior: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[19:01] <phire> it's possible that the kernel and the boot flash are using diffrent methods of accessing the sdcard
[19:01] <erniejunior> i can't upgrade the kernel if /boot is not mounted
[19:01] <erniejunior> that is why I wanted to mount it in the first place
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[19:01] <trevorman> if you can't fix it then yank the card out
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[19:02] <trevorman> first partition is just FAT so everything will be able to mount that
[19:02] <erniejunior> yes but then I need to manually do the kernel update
[19:02] <erniejunior> I liked the script
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[19:04] <trevorman> if the kernel really doesn't like that card then you may have no other choice
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[19:04] <erniejunior> that is bad
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> samb, it should work either way, but I suspect there is personal bias in some circuits (and possible naiveity too)
[19:04] <erniejunior> I am going to try it
[19:04] <erniejunior> thanks anyways
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[19:11] <Linkxsc> I have a question about the RPi (pending me ever getting one)
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> Linkxsc, fire away...
[19:11] <Linkxsc> could one use 1 to acta as a server for a small website thats only accessed by a couple dosen people a day?
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
[19:11] <blkhawk> yes
[19:11] <Linkxsc> hmmm sweet deal then
[19:12] <trevorman> Linkxsc: what will the website actually do? if there is any heavy lifting involves behind the scenes like lots of processing then maybe won't be a great idea
[19:12] <blkhawk> it has better bang for the buck than many small VPS
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, not if you have to host it somewhere :)
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[19:12] <Linkxsc> probably jsut sit there and send basic webpages, maybe a handful of pictures (probably hosted on another site and then linked into the pages)
[19:13] <trevorman> Linkxsc: should be fine then
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> although that's an idea - hosted Pis ...
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> or I could just put a thousand VPSs on a small host for the same 'experience' ;-)
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[19:14] <three14_2> that is a pretty neat idea.
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[19:14] <trevorman> I've got a VPS that is $15 a year
[19:14] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: the space requirement is what will push prices up for a hosted rpi setup
[19:15] <Linkxsc> well thanks for your help. probably cheaper to run an RPi as a small server then some old windows machine pulling over 200W of power just to run itself
[19:15] <nidO> not much, with a well thought-out layout you could probably get at least 50 pis into a 2u case
[19:15] <trevorman> + dealing with people messing up with SD cards
[19:15] <nidO> and just have the sd cards booting off iscsi
[19:15] <Linkxsc> either way its still cheap, but meh saving a buck or 2
[19:15] <trevorman> nidO: yeah but you could get more than 50 VMs of RPi level of performance/resources from a 1U server
[19:16] <th0t> lol
[19:16] <trevorman> I've got a cheapo not-sure-why-I-bought-it VPS that is only $15 a year
[19:16] <trevorman> 128MB RAM guaranteed. burstable to 256MB. 15GB disk.
[19:16] <trevorman> not sure how you'd compete with that by hosting RPis
[19:17] <MBS> ^
[19:17] <trevorman> 500GB transfer
[19:17] <MBS> oh look SD card died again
[19:17] <MBS> hope you had a backup
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[19:18] <trevorman> unracking it to get swap out a SD card would get annoying fast
[19:18] <MBS> oh look 10 people connected to apache and it locked up
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[19:18] <th0t> ha, to funny
[19:18] <trevorman> /s/get//
[19:18] <th0t> trevorman: what vps is this cheap? sounds legit
[19:18] <MBS> microservers are usually bad ideas (im talking about colo'd servers, not single task things for home or w/e)
[19:19] <trevorman> th0t: http://buyvm.net/
[19:19] <MBS> http://www.lowendbox.com/
[19:19] <MBS> you could probably find something similar there, lol
[19:19] <a5m0> MBS, apache should have been killed a long time ago, it's all about nginx
[19:19] <nidO> plenty of places you can get ubercheap small vms running openvz with those kinda specs
[19:19] <blkhawk> the problem with the cheap vps is that the vendors tend to die
[19:19] <trevorman> they jam in loads of those 128MB VPSes onto each box but its apparently still profitable for them to do so
[19:19] <th0t> yah, i'm sure, did't look yet
[19:19] <MBS> lol, i actually mostly use litespeed
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, yea, ultimately. However I am allowed to host mini towers where I am right now - how many Pi's inside a mini tower ;-)
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[19:20] <MBS> great performance, easy to use, apache compatible
[19:20] <Pingless> good evening all
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[19:20] <Pingless> I'm running OpenELEC on my Pi, but I'm having some trouble with the overscan
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> Linkxsc, my home/office server pulls less than 40 watts and has 2 TB of storage in it, a 4-port Ethernet card and an Atom processor with 2GB of RAM ...
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[19:20] <Linkxsc> has anyone tested the amount of power their RPi actually pulls when running, i remember reading that its nominally like 700mA but if anyones tested exactly
[19:21] <trevorman> Linkxsc: maximum of ~700mA
[19:21] <MBS> i pay $70/m for a kimsufi server in france with pretty much a core i7-920, 24GB ram, and a 2TB single disk, and split it into 3 vpses that are pretty nice for like $23/m each
[19:21] <IT_Sean> Raspis have somewhat poor packing efficiency, what with cabling and such. So, even with their small size, you will never pack enough into a case of X size to outperform a normal server in the same case with VMs running on iut
[19:21] <IT_Sean> *it
[19:21] <trevorman> there is a polyfuse on the input so it can't pull more than about 700mA anyway even if it wanted to
[19:21] <traeak> i have to find my kill-a-watt and remember my multimeter:-p
[19:21] <fallenangeluk> hi all - got a quick question regarding lua on my rpi (specifically, luagl), if there are any gurus in here?
[19:21] <trevorman> its only about 700mA and not precisely 700mA because the polyfuse varies by temperature and you wouldn't want to run it at the limit anyway
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[19:22] <trevorman> IT_Sean: that many wires and plugs would make reliability awful
[19:22] <nidO> that 700mA draw does assume your USB devices are drawing power as well
[19:22] <Pingless> whenever I boot it up, my overscan is in the wrong setting: When I've used the OpenELEC utility to correct for overscan, my rPi has no overscan the next time I boot (so I get black bars because OpenELEC is overcompensating); and when I then remove the overscan, the next time it cuts off part of the images
[19:22] <IT_Sean> That too
[19:22] <fragalot> RaTTuS|BIG: sure.. I'll make sure the hdmi is plugged in once mine gets here. :P
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> MBS, how are you getting on with that? I'm experimenting with one right now - I though ?14 for a quarter wasn't bad! So-far so-good ...
[19:22] <trevorman> you'd also need an expensive 48 port managed switch in there
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[19:22] <ReggieUK> a'ternoon everyone
[19:22] <MBS> doing pretty good, lol
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[19:23] <MBS> uptime of like 90 days so far
[19:23] <IT_Sean> aft'noon, Reg
[19:23] <MBS> sometimes kinda annoying having to collect money from 2 other guys on server but meh
[19:23] <MBS> mostly just use it as a seedbox though, not really doing much with mine unfortuantely
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> ok. I already host 2 dozens server in the UK, was just looking for a cheap non-critical backup for some data.
[19:23] <MBS> hmm might work well, but its only a single hdd, no raid
[19:24] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: mele a1000 with a real HD? >.>
[19:24] <trevorman> no faffing around with USB HD adapters, USB hubs, cases etc...
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[19:25] <trevorman> lol
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> yea, I just wanted something to play with really - there is the possibility I could offload some data to it/cache, etc.
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> I figures for ?3.99 a month I couldn't go wrong...
[19:28] <trevorman> 3.99 for what?
[19:28] <three14_2> Ramen
[19:28] <three14_2> for Sudan
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> a cheap VPS hosted by kimsuffi.co.uk
[19:29] <trevorman> ahh
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea how it's provisioned - the "disk" is: /dev/simfs 25G 1.6G 24G 7% /
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> whatever a "simfs" is ..
[19:29] <trevorman> openvz
[19:29] <lrvick> I offer free shells to anyone who joins my irc network, installs gentoo, and learns to use SSH keys.
[19:29] <lrvick> ^_^
[19:29] <nidO> thats an openvz system
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> Ah right.
[19:29] <nidO> probably uses proxmox or similar
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> intersting. I'm using LXC on my own servers.
[19:30] <trevorman> its a compartmentalized Linux box. not actually VMs which reduces the overhead.
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[19:30] <gordonDrogon> sure. Same idea as LXC.
[19:30] <nidO> openvz is container-based the same as lxc yea
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> LXC isn't as "robust" as I'd like it, but it's still quite good.
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> things like the CPUs and total RAM, etc. are exposed to each container.
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> but I'm using it more for my own management of the systems than anything else.
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> and I'm charged per physical box, so putting in bigger boxes that can take the load of more smaller boxes is a good thing :)
[19:33] <trevorman> CPUID isn't a privileged instruction so its showing what the actual CPU is
[19:33] <trevorman> not sure you could trap CPUID even if you wanted to
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[19:35] <gordonDrogon> is there a program that'll return it?
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> dmidecode I suppose..
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[19:35] <trevorman> return what?
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> cpuid
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[19:36] <trevorman> dmidecode is just to read the DMI table in the BIOS. nothing to do with CPUID
[19:37] <trevorman> just look at /proc/cpuinfo anyway. thats the same information which the kernel got from cpuid in the first place. anything you run will be the same.
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[19:38] <lrvick> My pi is no longer naked! http://dumpon.us/310.jpg
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> ok. My kinsuffi server has an AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 6172 in it - 12-core and I can see one of them :)
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> lime green raspberry pie ..
[19:39] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[19:40] <passstab> neat
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[19:45] <ukscone> !w 11220
[19:45] <PiBot> ukscone: in Brooklyn, NY on Wed Jun 20 16:51:00 2012. Temp 36??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 40%, Later 35??C - 25??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[19:45] <ukscone> yes it is
[19:45] <Matt> tasty
[19:45] <IT_Sean> !w 07005
[19:45] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton Township, NJ on Wed Jun 20 19:53:00 2012. Temp 92??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 45%, Later 93??F - 73??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[19:45] <Hybridsix> IT_Sean: I removed my part message from the bouncer.
[19:45] <IT_Sean> 92F
[19:45] <IT_Sean> damn.
[19:45] <Hybridsix> sorry about that. We have crappy wifi at work, and it always drops.
[19:45] <IT_Sean> Hybridsix: thx
[19:45] <Matt> !w
[19:45] <PiBot> Matt: in Burlington, ON on Wed Jun 20 17:00:00 2012. Temp 32??C. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 46%, Later 32??C - 21??C. Condition: Thunderstorm.
[19:45] <traeak> !w
[19:45] <PiBot> traeak: in Parker, CO on Wed Jun 20 10:53:00 2012. Temp 16??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 62%, Later 26??C - 11??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[19:45] <Hybridsix> IT_Sean: neverbothered me. :) I dont have to look at it.
[19:46] <Matt> thunderstorm?
[19:46] <Matt> that's news to me
[19:46] <Hybridsix> !w
[19:46] <Matt> blue skies ATM
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> pibot does't know where I am. I always have to tell it )-:
[19:46] <traeak> wow ontario doubles us on temp
[19:46] <traeak> coolio
[19:46] <Hybridsix> !w 32811
[19:46] <PiBot> Hybridsix: in Orlando, FL on Wed Jun 20 17:00:00 2012. Temp 81??F. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 70%, Later 90??F - 73??F. Condition: Thunderstorm.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> !w buckfastleigh
[19:46] <PiBot> gordonDrogon: in Buckfastleigh, Devon. Temp 61??F. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 55%, Later 63??F - 54??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.
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[19:46] <gordonDrogon> chance? it's actually raining.
[19:49] <three14_2> it's 92F here. :'(
[19:49] <traeak> not sure but yesterday here i think it almost hit 100F
[19:49] <traeak> so today a small relieft, maybe 77F or something
[19:50] <Hybridsix> at what humidity three14_2
[19:50] <ratherDashing> yeah nyc is mid 90s today
[19:51] <traeak> almost noon and only 61F
[19:51] <traeak> coolio
[19:51] <Matt> I should hed back in the direction of my home office
[19:51] <Matt> lunch being eaten and all that
[19:51] <Matt> plus the wifi here is sucking somewhat
[19:52] <IT_Sean> I'm not on wifi.
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> wifi is for the wifey
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> and her gadgets...
[19:53] <markus_> I am not Wifi
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[19:54] <gordonDrogon> er, good luck there then ;-)
[19:54] <nimrodsun> hi, I've just got my raspberry pi and I have a quick question
[19:54] <traeak> 12
[19:54] <IT_Sean> Why, it works brilliantly!
[19:55] <IT_Sean> 42
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> nimrodsun, fire away...
[19:55] <ratherDashing> my work gives me an AT&T card, barely use it, but when i do, it works pretty well
[19:55] <nimrodsun> is there a distro that has either telnet or ssh enabled by default?
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[19:55] <nimrodsun> I don't have a screen here and want to start playing right away :)
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> debian has it installed, but not enabled. Can't you connect in with a keyboard to enable it?
[19:56] <IT_Sean> I donut believe so, however, it is relativly easy, i believe, to enable SSH on the offical deeb image
[19:56] <markus_> nimrodsun: archlinux arm should have it
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> if you have a keyboar, you can blind type... or enable it in the SD before bootting it..
[19:56] <ReggieUK> keyboar?
[19:56] <ReggieUK> is that a wild pig with a key in it's back!
[19:56] <IT_Sean> *keyboard
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> er, yes :)
[19:56] <IT_Sean> dinkus
[19:57] <nimrodsun> I would rather not try and blind type it, if I can help it, how would I enable it on the SD before booting?
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, I have a lot of respect for 3G. Especially in the past year working with an ex Organge R&D chap who continues to be amazed every time his phone rings ...
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[19:57] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:58] <IT_Sean> I never have data connectivity issues w/ AT&T
[19:58] <IT_Sean> Voice, OTOH... ...
[19:58] <ReggieUK> someone posted a very interesting dx forum post about the 7 port usb hubs that are all over the place
[19:58] <ReggieUK> http://club.dx.com/forums/Forums.dx/threadid.433192
[19:58] <nimrodsun> markus_ do you mean that archlinux has ssh up by default?
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[19:59] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, orange were always pretty poor though network wise
[19:59] <markus_> nimrodsun: i don't have a raspberry pi yet but i use the same distro on another computer and it has ssh by default. see here http://archlinuxarm.org/support/guides/system/first-steps
[19:59] <markus_> "The root password by default is "root"."
[19:59] <ReggieUK> and they liked to make their own stupid changes to phone firmwares that made them incompatible with everyone else
[19:59] <nimrodsun> cool, I'll put that on and see if it flies. Many thanks :)
[20:00] <markus_> i don't think it is as newbie friendly as the other distros but i'm not sure because i've only tested archlinux arm
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, I've never bought a contract phone... always sim-free ...
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> nimrodsun, you might get more support with Debian though ...
[20:01] <traeak> don't trust the 7port usb hubs
[20:01] <traeak> and yes archlinux sets up sshd by default
[20:01] <traeak> however it takesa long time to generate SSH keys on first starrt
[20:01] <ratherDashing> wheezy is ssh by default, same with raspbian
[20:01] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, mmm, ADSL is pretty impressive too
[20:01] <nimrodsun> I was an hpux admin for a few years, while that was nearly 10 years ago, between me, google and some foul language, I'm sure I'll get somewhere
[20:01] <traeak> so you hvae to be patient or your ssh keys will be invalid
[20:02] <kvarley> On the Raspberry Pi build how do I configure WiFi? I have a USB Wifi dongle plugged in
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, which ADSL?
[20:02] <traeak> then you hvea to go waste the empty keys on the sd card
[20:02] <ratherDashing> kvarley: what distro?
[20:02] <ratherDashing> and what dongle
[20:02] <kvarley> ratherDashing: OpenELEC
[20:02] <traeak> kvarley: probably need to look at the openelec pages for help on configuring that
[20:02] <kvarley> ratherDashing: Netgear N150 - verified as working on the Wiki
[20:02] <ratherDashing> oh i don't know about the xbmc distros, you might want to try their channel / forums
[20:02] <kvarley> ok np
[20:02] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, personally I find the whole idea of squeezing megabits per second down cable designed for analog voice extremely impressive
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, oh yes :)
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[20:03] <Gadget-Mac> Evening all
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[20:03] <nimrodsun> treaak, thanks, how patient are we talking? Just interested in a ballpark, 5 mins, or an hour? ;)
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, and I'm working with some folks doing Gb wireless comms too...
[20:03] <OsakaFoo> It's alive!
[20:03] <OsakaFoo> aaw no it's not
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[20:03] <gordonDrogon> It? He, or She ?
[20:04] <OsakaFoo> Pi :P
[20:04] <OsakaFoo> It's dead Jim
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[20:05] <Remowylliams> I'm really thinking someone underestimated the desire for these boards. Did any of these boards show up in the US yet?
[20:05] * plugwash wishes ghc built quicker
[20:05] <traeak> nimrodsun: minutes i think, not an hour
[20:05] <traeak> nimrodsun: just try to ssh into it is all :-p
[20:06] <traeak> nimrodsun: i think you can hard set the HDMI port to straight 640x480 vga and watch the boot cycle
[20:06] <nimrodsun> traeak, will do :)
[20:06] <traeak> nimrodsun: but in order to get any real video you have to run a full update
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[20:07] <Mr_Sheesh> i'm in US, have my board
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[20:07] <tzvi|work> any ideas why i cant run add-apt-repository on my debian build?
[20:07] <nimrodsun> traeak thanks, I'll keep that in mind tomorrow, when I get my hands on a screen
[20:07] <tzvi|work> i'm also in the us and have one
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[20:07] <Remowylliams> Mr_Sheesh: ok well that makes me feel a little better. Currently it seems I won't even be able to pre-order a board till July.
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[20:08] <Mr_Sheesh> Should be able to order them? Odd.
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[20:08] <Remowylliams> Mr_Sheesh: no all I can get on the Newark Sight is a register your interest.
[20:08] <Mr_Sheesh> aah, well drat then
[20:08] <fallenangeluk> Does anyone know if there is any way I can start X on my Pi from an SSH session?
[20:09] <fallenangeluk> startx moans about not finidng any screens (which figures, as I'm logged in via SSH...)
[20:09] <traeak> nimrodsun: but you should be able to start up arch, ping it then be able to ssh login
[20:09] <tzvi|work> there is a ssh -x flag
[20:10] <tzvi|work> i believe
[20:10] <kvarley> fallenangeluk: If you want to run X applications through ssh then use ssh -X
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[20:10] <nimrodsun> thanks, I'm about to start the dd
[20:10] <Remowylliams> fallenangeluk: you should be able to but you have to be sure you have a DISPLAY value
[20:10] <Remowylliams> as in etc
[20:11] <fallenangeluk> kvarley: no, I can do that already :) I'm trying to start a X server and on my Pi, and use a screen I've got plugged in via HDMI, but drive it from an SSH session (it's much quicker for me to develop on this PC)
[20:11] <nimrodsun> traeak, it takes longer when I find I've typed the dd command into my IRC chat window :0|
[20:11] <Remowylliams> fallenangeluk: ooh
[20:12] <kvarley> fallenangeluk: Ah you need to do "export DISPLAY:X:X" or something similar first then start the ssh session
[20:12] <Remowylliams> use DISPLAY=:0.0 startx
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[20:12] <fallenangeluk> I'm not sure the DISPLAY env var is the issue - it's complaining about a SCREEN
[20:13] <Remowylliams> fallenangeluk: you have to have a x11.conf file
[20:13] <Remowylliams> fallenangeluk: have you worked with X windows before?
[20:13] <fallenangeluk> Remowylliams: I thought you would say that :) ah well, time to do the black art thing
[20:14] <fallenangeluk> Remowylliams: yes, on debian x86
[20:14] <Remowylliams> fallenangeluk: usually a Xorg --configure (I think) will create one automatically
[20:14] <fallenangeluk> I presume it's pretty much identical
[20:14] <fallenangeluk> yeah
[20:15] <Remowylliams> fallenangeluk: I would think most all this would be on the pi image already though
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[20:16] <OsakaFoo> if for example I wanted to write an artical on "how to enable auto completion" for the Pi, yeah it's identical to Debain, but is there a place on the wiki for it, or just google?
[20:16] <fallenangeluk> hmm, maybe I've actually got a broken xOrg installation - 'Missing output drivers. Configuration failed.' when I run Xorg -configure
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[20:19] <fallenangeluk> I'm guessing I'll need xf86-video-fbdev?
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[20:20] <Remowylliams> fallenangeluk: sorry I'm still waiting to have a chance to order my pi. Someone else I'm sure, knows
[20:21] <fallenangeluk> WOOHOO! it works :)
[20:21] <fallenangeluk> thanks for your help, guys
[20:21] <OsakaFoo> hehe this image has bash history
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[20:22] <EinoT> Hello everyone
[20:22] * OsakaFoo waves at EinoT
[20:22] <Remowylliams> hello EinoT
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> OsakaFoo, the debian image has bash history - yes - it was basically 'snapshotted' off one of the dev's Pi to create the distribution image.
[20:22] * fallenangeluk waves from his newly working X server :D
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[20:24] <bootc> Milos: just had a look at your stack trace - doesn't seem like much in it to go on :-(
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[20:24] <Milos> Oh well. :(
[20:24] <EinoT> I was planning on doing some light osdeving with the rpi (have been writing a kernel before on x86) and after a while of searching I couldn't find any info on emulating the rpi... So do I have to hazzle with the flash drive back and forth in order to test my code?
[20:24] <bootc> EinoT: that's what I'm doing...
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> EinoT, you will probably have to move the flash drive back and forwards between your dev box and the pi - initially at least.
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[20:25] <plugwash> EinoT, afaict there are no tools out there that can emulate a Pi at least not publically available ones
[20:25] <bootc> someone is working on a qemu machine to emulate the Pi but it's not ready yet, AIUI
[20:25] <EinoT> Yeah might be a while to get it self hosted
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> unless... You write some sort of low-level serial downloader thing, so the SD boots into your "bootloader" that can then boot over serial/ethernet/usb/etc.
[20:25] <plugwash> qemu can emulate an arm system with comparable specs to the Pi but the hardware details will be very different so it's no good for OS dev
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> Evening, Mr. zleap
[20:26] <bootc> yep, depends what exactly you want to be doing, EinoT
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[20:27] <EinoT> bootc wasting alot of time ofcourse ;D
[20:27] <bootc> ah, yes, you will find the Pi cerainly does help you do that! :-D
[20:27] <Kasreyn> in a good way?
[20:27] <EinoT> Well anyways I need to start with some basic arm assembly and running it in qemu should be pretty straight forward
[20:27] <bootc> if you want it to be, I guess :-)
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[20:28] <EinoT> Maybe even writing a few user applications in arm assembly on the rpi could be useful
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[20:31] <fallenangeluk> ok, so I've got X running (with startx &), however when I try and run an openGL app, it's moaning that it can't open the display. $DISPLAY is currently set to 0:0, which it obviously not right - so can I extract the current display from the running X server? (/var/log/XOrg.0.log contains nothing useful)
[20:31] <zleap> hi gordonDrogon
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[20:36] <zleap> gordonDrogon, e-mail now back up and running
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> zleap, good oh!
[20:38] <zleap> :)
[20:38] <zleap> brb
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> fallenangeluk|AF, try typing xterm inside an xterm to make sure it's all OK in that respect...
[20:40] <Trickierstinky> right got lightttpd,mysql, and cgi scripts working now what to do with my raspi server
[20:41] <wmat> hi, i'm the admin for elinux.org. If any RPi community members have any suggestions or requirements for RPi elinux.org wiki pages, please email me at admin @ elinux.org
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[20:43] <kvarley> Any ideas why the OpenELEC kernel doesn't like my wifi device? Log here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1051359/
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> Do you have it connected to a powered hub?
[20:44] <kvarley> SpeedEvil: Nope
[20:44] <kvarley> SpeedEvil: It is the only device connected though
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> It will do that then.
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> You absolutely need to connect it to a powered hub for wifi to work.
[20:45] <SpeedEvil> It draws too much power.
[20:45] <kvarley> Ah ok
[20:45] <kvarley> SpeedEvil: thanks
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[20:46] <Cheery> I have keyboard problems
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[20:46] <srynoname> hi all
[20:47] <srynoname> can somebody please tell me where I can find a list of packages (including versions) available on the Debian ???wheezy??? public beta?
[20:47] <kghost> http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages, you can search here
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[20:48] <tzvi|work> trying to open a port for quassel-core, iptables is giving errors :(
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[20:49] <Cheery> I have the card along and it seems to have the logs
[20:50] <srynoname> thanks kghost. how do I know if a package is available on raspberry? check for armel?
[20:51] <kghost> run apt-cache search `package name` on pi, and you need to run apt-get update as root before it
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[20:52] <srynoname> atm I am on raspbian, but I have some problems with it, so depending on the packages now available I would like to switch back to the more official debian one ;-)
[20:52] <Cheery> hmm
[20:52] <srynoname> guess they should roughly have the same packages because they are both wheezy, but I am not 100% sure
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[20:53] <srynoname> still a linux beginner ;-)
[20:53] * Hybridsix would rather be playing with pi than working
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[20:53] <Cheery> Jan 1 01:00:38 raspberrypi kernel: usb 1-1: device not accepting address 9, error -71
[20:53] <Cheery> Jan 1 01:00:38 raspberrypi kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
[20:54] <three14_2> Hybridsix, can't you do both?
[20:54] <Cheery> Jan 1 01:00:38 raspberrypi kernel: DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
[20:54] <Trickierstinky> anyone know why my powered usb stops my raspi from working if plugged in? I was hoping to just use the powered usb to power the pi as well as give me more usb ports
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[20:54] <IT_Sean> What are you using to power the Pi?
[20:54] <traeak> Trickierstinky: check elinux.org to see if the powered hub is supported
[20:54] <Hybridsix> three14_2: I only have 3 monitors at my desk. my laptop, and two desktop monitors. Also, only have two network drops.
[20:54] <Hybridsix> :(
[20:54] <ReggieUK> error -71 = EPROTO 71 /* Protocol error */
[20:54] <Trickierstinky> traeak: i doubt it will be on there just a cheap ebay one
[20:55] <traeak> Trickierstinky: you can use the rpi to get the usb hub's chipset
[20:55] <three14_2> Hybridsix, you need a cheap switch
[20:55] <traeak> lsusb works quite nicely for that
[20:55] <Cheery> IT_Sean: a power outlet RS proposed to be compatible with it
[20:55] <Cheery> IT_Sean: I have one similar power charger, should I try that?
[20:55] <trevorman> Trickierstinky: when you say use the hub, are you connecting to the microusb on the rpi?
[20:55] <Cheery> IT_Sean: also the LAN disconnects shortly after a while
[20:55] <Trickierstinky> trevorman: yeah
[20:56] <Cheery> which is why I couldn't find it from my LAN
[20:56] <trevorman> Trickierstinky: the rpi ideally wants 700mA so if your hub is limiting it to 500mA you'll find the RPi will act oddly
[20:56] <trevorman> Trickierstinky: what you're trying to do works for some people and doesn't work for others *shrug* not guaranteed
[20:56] <OsakaFoo> is the debain image on the rapberry pi downloads page just an older version of Raspbian?
[20:57] <IT_Sean> Try a different PSU, just for gits & shiggles.
[20:57] <Cheery> ReggieUK: what do you propose with that?
[20:57] <Trickierstinky> boo, I guess mine must be a 500mA
[20:57] <Cheery> IT_Sean: can I also try connecting it to a powered hub?
[20:57] <IT_Sean> You can, i suppose.
[20:57] <Cheery> IT_Sean: I bought one after I noticed it's not working
[20:57] <IT_Sean> It won't hurt it
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[20:58] <Cheery> IT_Sean: can the power cable do a loop?
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[20:58] <IT_Sean> a loop?
[20:58] <Cheery> that is usb-hub -> rpi -> usb-hub
[20:58] <IT_Sean> O_o
[20:58] <kghost> is it 500mA limit cause the usb issue ? I'll try external power with my problem hub
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[20:58] <Cheery> IT_Sean: just asking. :P
[20:58] <IT_Sean> You really should power the Pi and the hub seperately
[20:59] <Matt> I think he's thinking of powering the Pi from a powered hub
[20:59] <Cheery> yeah. and putting that same pi to use that powered hub
[20:59] <Matt> and then connecting the Pi's usb output to the hub's input
[20:59] <IT_Sean> in that case, go power- > hub -> pi
[20:59] <IT_Sean> AH, yes, he can do that
[20:59] * Matt nods
[20:59] <jglauche> hi. should the bootloader give any stuff over the RX/TX lines even if the operating system or SD card fail to init?
[20:59] <three14_2> problem is that the hub is also going to supply a little power to the pi through it's usb.
[20:59] <Matt> I was gonna say there shouldn't be an issue with doing that
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[20:59] <Cheery> I saw a fitting cable for that exercise
[21:00] <Cheery> going to try it now.
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[21:00] <Cheery> ooh I love my steelseries keyboard
[21:00] <Trickierstinky> damn I can find the hub on supported devices :( shame really
[21:00] <jglauche> I'm trying to debug a pi that only shows a very faint green light, glowing red light and nothing else. I don't have a HDMI cable.
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[21:03] <kghost> still got error with external power supply
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[21:04] <kghost> I wonder it is a design flaw
[21:04] <trevorman> jglauche: you got an SD card in there with a valid RPi image?
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[21:06] <jglauche> trevorman, I dd'd the image. I noticed that I have a "problematic" sd card.
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[21:07] <jglauche> I tried the solution in coping the boot stuff from the latest github
[21:07] <jglauche> no change.
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[21:08] <jglauche> I'd love to see *anything* coming from the device
[21:08] <jglauche> no green led error code, nothing on the serial line...
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[21:08] <IT_Sean> Can you try with another SD carD?
[21:09] <IT_Sean> *card?
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[21:09] <jglauche> I don't find any
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[21:11] <nimrodsun> Yeah, I have SSH access!!! :)
[21:11] <IT_Sean> WEWT!
[21:11] <Kripton> Hi there. I would like to have the kernel sources from "https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux" (branch "rpi-patches") PLUS the i2c-driver from "https://github.com/bootc/linux/tree/rpi-i2cspi". Is there an easy way? I tried to git pull both into one directory but that just resulted in very bad conflicts :/
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[21:11] <nimrodsun> thanks for your help traeak
[21:11] <Kripton> and: I'm a git noob :/
[21:12] <Kripton> bootc did you just join or were you here hidden?
[21:12] <traeak> yes git is a PITA to try to learn from scratch
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[21:13] <nimrodsun> I was afraid I was going to have to load each and every distro until I found one with ssh on by default
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[21:13] <Kripton> If I could get github to create me patches for the I2C-stuff I'd be perfectly happy
[21:13] <kghost> it is very easy to install ssh on debian
[21:14] <nimrodsun> it's harder when you don't have a screen
[21:14] <kghost> no uart ?
[21:15] <nimrodsun> no monitor, or VDU, as we used to say :)
[21:15] <kghost> use qemu to load the debian image, and install ssh on it
[21:16] <nimrodsun> do the rpi images load on qemu?
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> nimrodsun, don't forget CRTs ...
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[21:19] <kghost> it is very cheap to buy a USB to uart adapter, mine is 1$ + 1$ shipping
[21:20] <nimrodsun> gordonDrogon, ha yes. :)
[21:21] <traeak> kghost: where did you find that one?
[21:21] <traeak> kghost: i need more of them
[21:21] <nimrodsun> kghost, I didn't know that, I'll have to look around
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[21:22] <srynoname> nimrod theres only one file to rename on the sd card to enable ssh by default. on wheezy i think it's already enabled yb default.
[21:22] <srynoname> by
[21:22] <RITRedbeard_> operation wheezy f. baby
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[21:23] <mythos> yeha... 116 mbit/s with an gbit adapter and an overclockt pi \o/
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[21:24] <kghost> I'm in China, everything is cheap here
[21:24] <nimrodsun> srynoname, I just loaded archlinux and that has it on by default too
[21:24] <Cheery> I still have the same problems
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[21:24] <RITRedbeard_> kghost, how cheap?
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[21:26] <Cheery> I tried four different ways to power the pi
[21:26] <Cheery> one was powering from PC USB
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[21:27] <bootc> Kripton: my connection fell over
[21:28] <Kripton> ok, then I'll allow myself to ask my question again :)
[21:28] <Kripton> Hi there. I would like to have the kernel sources from "https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux" (branch "rpi-patches") PLUS the i2c-driver from "https://github.com/bootc/linux/tree/rpi-i2cspi". Is there an easy way? I tried to git pull both into one directory but that just resulted in very bad conflicts :/
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[21:28] <kghost> google "git merge"
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[21:30] <Cheery> raspberry pi boots up relatively fast btw!
[21:30] <ratherDashing> what distro?
[21:30] <Cheery> debian
[21:31] <Hybridsix> dumb question... whats the deal with raspbian vs the debian distros that are on the site?
[21:31] <Cheery> Jan 1 01:00:27 raspberrypi kernel: DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
[21:31] <Hybridsix> and, where is this mythical raspbian?
[21:31] <plugwash> raspbian is definately NOT mythical
[21:31] <ratherDashing> the debian project doesn't support hard float on the arm6 that the raspberry pi has
[21:31] <Hybridsix> oooo
[21:32] <Hybridsix> well thats interesting.
[21:32] <RITRedbeard_> kghost, hong kong?
[21:32] <ratherDashing> so raspbian took all the armhf packages from wheezy, and recompiled them for arm6
[21:32] <ratherDashing> raspbian.org is the location
[21:32] <Hybridsix> neat... now another distro to futz with . :)
[21:33] <Cheery> http://www.belkin.com/uk/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=604707 - I have this hub
[21:33] <plugwash> debian as two arm ports, armel and armhf, debian armel will run on almost any arm device but it uses software floating point and the soft float ABI, debian armhf uses hardware floating point and the hard float ABI but has a mimum CPU requirement of armv7
[21:33] <Cheery> I think I try different distro
[21:33] <Cheery> >:|
[21:33] <Kripton> kghost, okay, so how do I merge a branch that is at another github-URL then the one I cloned from?
[21:33] <plugwash> So with raspbian we took debian armhf and rebuilt everything so it would run on the armv6 CPU the Pi has
[21:34] <Hybridsix> cool
[21:34] <Hybridsix> and of these... unoffiical images... which one is the furthest along/most functional?
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[21:35] <plugwash> pisces is the most recent afaict
[21:35] <ratherDashing> both armel wheezy and raspbian are pretty much as functional as a straight up i386 install of wheezy
[21:35] <Cheery> hmm
[21:35] <ratherDashing> they all share the same kernel and firmware, that's kinda what's holding people back
[21:35] <Cheery> sounds like my PI is intact, but the raspberry image is crap
[21:35] <kghost> checkout one, then 'git add remote name other-url', 'git fetch name', you will get two git-repo in your git local repo
[21:36] <Kripton> kghost, will try that, thanks
[21:36] <kghost> still get usb error with external power supply
[21:36] <plugwash> but honestly it doesn't matter much which raspbian image you used, once you use rpi-update and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade you will be in basically the same place just with a different selection of software installed (but it's easy to install what you want anyway)
[21:36] <dibidi_> I am to trying to make sound work. Got a USB soundcard to work on both Debian Squeeze and Wheezy. In both case I've got pretty bad distortion (background noise). Is Alsa broken on both debian ? :(
[21:36] <reider59> Woo hoo, I did a couple of circuits, programmed them via Python then added a couple of bits and pieces to the program for when the buttons are pressed and the LEDs light. Good fun, I admit they were from ready made examples. Just trying them out.
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[21:36] <Hybridsix> neat plugwash
[21:37] <reider59> I need a third button for the red light now, have to rob something from my train set
[21:37] <Hybridsix> that will be my tonight's project.
[21:37] <Hybridsix> I had a friend helping me with an arch install on another card.
[21:37] <BenO> dibidi_, It does have issues, yes. Try a different (less smart) client (like ogg123 or mpg123)
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[21:37] <Hybridsix> anyone know if arch supports the hardware floating point?
[21:37] <BenO> dibidi_, Hang about, you said this was with an external soundcard?
[21:38] <dibidi_> Yes usb soundcard and still issue
[21:38] <dibidi_> I tried mplayer and Squeezeslave (the program I want to run actually)
[21:38] <BenO> dibidi_, If you are getting equivalent issues, you might want to take a look at the amp connections/circuitry
[21:38] <Cheery> I'm loading archlinux now
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[21:39] <dibidi_> It's not my amplifier but maybe something hardware related on the raspberry pi.
[21:39] <Cheery> lets see whether it messes that badly
[21:39] <ratherDashing> did you read: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound
[21:39] <dibidi_> I have got a friend over and we got 2 of them... so I am going to try swapping hardware.
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[21:39] <dibidi_> Maybe the usb soundcard requieres too much power from USB
[21:39] <ratherDashing> personally i haven't really gotten sound to work except through omxplayer which i just tell to passthrough to my receiver
[21:39] <BenO> dibidi_, alsa uses different drivers for the USB soundcard and the onboard. To get same issues, I'd suggest swapping hw
[21:39] <trevorman> dibidi_: alsa is broken on the rpi
[21:39] <trevorman> tbh sound is kind of broken on the rpi
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[21:39] <Cheery> it seems we'd need another universal port protocol
[21:39] <BenO> dibidi_, You wouldn't get crackling, you'd get failure
[21:40] <trevorman> it either works great for you or you have loads of weird issues with it. works for me >.>
[21:40] <ratherDashing> yeah try pianobar, you get about 10 seconds of music and a bagillion errors logged to dmesg
[21:40] <BenO> trevorman, The alsa driver for the bcm2835 is duff, but usb soundcards should be fine and dandy
[21:40] <BenO> different codebases
[21:40] <trevorman> BenO: ah yeah. sorry.
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[21:41] <dibidi_> I'll try to swap hardware and try with OSS too if I can
[21:41] <dibidi_> Thx :)
[21:41] <BenO> ratherDashing, yep, I lay the blame on the 'block and throw data over to the video core ram' aspect tbh
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[21:42] <Cheery> hey might it be that I have hardware fault if the USB just suddenly craps under itself?
[21:43] <plugwash> dibidi_, I'll bet your sound quality issues are a power problem
[21:43] <plugwash> (sound quality with a USB soundcard that is)
[21:43] <Hybridsix> hrm. I wonder if I can put grub on here. to select different distros.
[21:43] <plugwash> soldering wires across those stupid polyswitches on the supplies to the USB ports would be my first reccomendation
[21:43] <BenO> plugwash, maybe but dibidi_ is getting same distortion issues with both onboard audio and usb soundcard
[21:43] <ratherDashing> Hybridsix: nope, look at the boot sequence of the pi, grub won't cut it
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[21:43] <BenO> as far as I can make out anyhow
[21:44] <Hybridsix> hrm
[21:44] <Cheery> I'll be yet trying with different distro
[21:44] <BenO> Cheery, there is issues with the USB/net chip - see the issues on github about it
[21:44] <ratherDashing> someone got uboot working: http://kernelnomicon.org/
[21:44] <Cheery> then I study whether the the X1 is properly soldered
[21:44] <BenO> (not hw issues specifically, but driver ones)
[21:45] <Cheery> BenO: real?
[21:45] <Cheery> are they recently introduced?
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[21:46] <Cheery> BenO: well my observations hint it's a driver problem
[21:46] <Cheery> USB ports look just okay
[21:46] <Cheery> I have power plug by RS
[21:46] <Cheery> ((which they sold along the pi)
[21:47] <Cheery> also tried samsung plug, which advertised 0.5 - 0.7A
[21:47] <Cheery> also tried mobile hub
[21:47] <Cheery> also tried PC usb port
[21:47] <BenO> Cheery, This may be tl;dr but there is a lot of chat about USB crapping out, etc here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/9
[21:47] <Cheery> and none worked
[21:47] <kghost> does usb issue cause by power supply ?
[21:49] <Cheery> anyway
[21:49] <neofutur> using a good RS power adapter i had no usb problems until now
[21:49] <Cheery> at least the memory card seems to work excellent
[21:49] <dibidi_> I've got the 1200mha from RS Components for what it is worth
[21:49] <Cheery> my var log was full of yawns
[21:49] <BenO> The detail on issues and potential fixes start around here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/9#issuecomment-5352632
[21:49] <neofutur> would be good to know the kind of supply people with problems are using
[21:50] * neofutur in his bed with the ssh/screen/IRC on the tv, thanks to the pi
[21:50] <Trickierstinky> anyone recommend a good wiki to run on pi
[21:51] <neofutur> mediawiki is clearly _the_ wiki to use
[21:51] <neofutur> pi or not
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[21:52] <Trickierstinky> is it lightweight? sorry should have really mentioned that
[21:52] <trevorman> pmwiki is probably better if you're aiming for lightweight
[21:52] <trevorman> if you've got the resources and have the time to maintain it then mediawiki will be better
[21:53] <Simon-> USB is not going to get any better until the driver is rewritten
[21:53] <Trickierstinky> ahh kool thanks
[21:53] <Simon-> and there are no quick fixes :/
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[21:54] <Cheery> how could I get the latest raspberry pi image for archlinux?
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[21:57] <ratherDashing> flash the current one and use pacman to update
[21:57] <ratherDashing> arch is rolling, there really aren't releases
[21:57] <ratherDashing> you just got to hop on the moving train
[21:59] <bootc> http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/06/20/raspberry-pi-xbee-smt-backpack/ <= any comments please? :-)
[22:00] <Hybridsix> ratherDashing: any idea if you know if the arch build is able to take advandage of the hardware FPU? or is it on software like the debian build?
[22:00] <ratherDashing> i don't believe anyone recompiled arch for hardfp.
[22:03] <traeak> someone was trying
[22:03] <traeak> i was sort of interested in trying to set up a build server
[22:03] <RITRedbeard_> I compiled Sys V for Raspberry Pi
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[22:03] <traeak> just was wanting to find a proper hardfloat kernel configured to run inside qemu
[22:04] <traeak> using arch of course
[22:05] <ratherDashing> i just did some googlewacking and someone from archarm said it wasn't worth the effort for them to do it and waste the 8gb of space to host the packages, shame
[22:05] <Cheery> hmhmmhmmm
[22:05] <Cheery> I just dislike the idea that I'd have the faulty one
[22:08] <plugwash> ratherDashing, heh
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[22:08] * plugwash looks at the 100gb of raspbian......
[22:08] <Cheery> alrgiht.
[22:09] <Cheery> I try with archlinux n ow
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[22:09] <Cheery> next wheezy
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[22:09] <Kripton> bootc, reminds me of this: http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/slice-of-pi/ I just got delivered today
[22:10] <ratherDashing> plugwash: yeah i'm not sure how you guys got that all done but thanks. i've always been a vanilla debian guy so this is right up my alley
[22:10] <reider59> << just had to put an order in for an empty biscuit tin when Mum visits (don`t want the biscuits, only like the cheap own label from asda). I want to keep my soldering iron and electrical bits n pieces together where I can find them. I may get a set of plastic drawers at some point as my collection grows lol
[22:11] <reider59> mmmm these crumpets are nice
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[22:12] <bootc> Kripton: yeah, except mine can talk SPI :-)
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[22:13] <Kripton> bootc, true, the other one is normal serial with TxD and RxD
[22:13] <Kripton> just read that on your blog :)
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[22:22] <Cheery> mmc0: problem reading SD Status register.
[22:23] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/HGZo4rEUF5kT2i97OFZM/
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[22:24] <Cheery> Jan 1 01:00:39 alarmpi kernel: DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
[22:24] <Cheery> Jan 1 01:00:39 alarmpi kernel: DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
[22:24] <Cheery> also in there.. >:[
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[22:25] <ratherDashing> those last ones is because your power is wonky
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[22:25] <ratherDashing> what do you have plugged in the usb and what is powering the pi?
[22:26] <Cheery> RS 7263053
[22:26] <ratherDashing> how many amps?
[22:26] <ratherDashing> i dunno what that is
[22:26] <BenO> ?
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[22:26] <Cheery> Output: 5V DC 1200mA
[22:27] <ratherDashing> well that should be fine
[22:27] <ratherDashing> whats in the usb ports
[22:27] <dibidi_> Concerning audio... I installed pulseadio... using ogg123 with option for pulseaudio output I don't get anymore audio problem (I am using usb soundcard)
[22:27] <BenO> See this (which has same kernel log errors) and the comment from narensankar below it https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/9#issuecomment-5443616
[22:27] <Cheery> a logitech keyboard
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[22:27] <dibidi_> try to use alsa directly and I've got distortion problem. So definitely software and not hardware related
[22:27] <Cheery> BenO: isn't that fixed in newest image?
[22:28] <Cheery> 2012-06-18 wheezy beta
[22:28] <BenO> Cheery, I've stayed out of it - I don't think it is 'fixed' but it certainly is better
[22:28] <Cheery> I'm loading that now
[22:28] <slartsa> eek! received an email that my pi is on the way!
[22:28] <Cheery> oh and my pi dropped once on the floor
[22:28] <slartsa> also received an email that it is postponed 'til 07/02
[22:28] <BenO> dibidi_, worth adding an issue for it in that case - something more intrinsic going wrong
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[22:32] <Cheery> BenO: maybe if I'd try with steelseries 6G?
[22:32] <Cheery> my main keyboard
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[22:32] <Cheery> it's a bulky destroyer class keyboard
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[22:33] <BenO> Always worth trying permutations to help rule out potential hw issues (or highlight them!) :)
[22:33] <Cheery> flashing the card is slow :(
[22:34] <Cheery> well at least I can do this still 99997 times
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[22:34] <BenO> SD card lifeforce ticking down with each 'dd'...
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[22:35] <PortaLu> BenO: os-dev?
[22:35] <Cheery> using composite this time
[22:36] <BenO> PortaLu, Not sure what you mean?
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[22:39] <slartsa> pardon me for asking a silly question; is there a max amount of SD memory pi supports?
[22:39] <IT_Sean> Not as such, but, the Pi only supports SD cards. Not SDxx cards. So...
[22:40] <PortaLu> BenO: only reason i can see for many writes to dd is osdev
[22:40] <slartsa> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0037FLUYU/?tag=gmgamzn-20 found this, seems good?
[22:41] <BenO> PortaLu, I was commenting on what Cheery said about flashing the SD -> "...at least I can do this still 99997 times"
[22:41] <robertely> Ben0: and in practice, the card is likely to last much longer than that.
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[22:42] <IT_Sean> slartsa: that's an SDHC card. Not sure the Pi 'll support that. Someone else can chime in, however.
[22:42] <Ben64> sdhc works fine
[22:42] <IT_Sean> It does?
[22:42] <sneakyne1ks> THANK THE GODS
[22:42] <IT_Sean> Okay. I stand corrected.
[22:42] <PortaLu> IT_Sean: i have one in mine
[22:42] <PortaLu> class 4
[22:42] <IT_Sean> I apologise.
[22:42] <IT_Sean> I know some SDxx cards have issues.
[22:42] <PortaLu> mine is kingston, iirc
[22:42] <IT_Sean> Can never keep straight which is which. :p
[22:42] <slartsa> think I might order one, if it's not working with pi, will use it for my nikon
[22:43] <Ben64> theres an issue with speed though
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[22:43] <Ben64> most kernels can't get over 3MB/s without changing settings
[22:43] <traeak> interesting
[22:43] <Ben64> i'm sure it'll be fixed soon
[22:44] <traeak> i was getting ~17MB/s with the sdhc micro card i have
[22:44] <traeak> arch kernel
[22:44] <Ben64> ah
[22:44] <mythos> traeak, you were right. the usb-stack is garbage ;)
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[22:44] <AeroNotix> Just ordered :) 9 weeks delivery time >< ouch
[22:44] <BenO> Would be interesting to get some SD card comparisons going, using random access to small files, rather than the usual camera-style serial r/w to big files.
[22:45] <AeroNotix> anyone been using Django on it?
[22:45] <AeroNotix> or python27 for that matter..
[22:45] <Hybridsix> AeroNotix: one of my good friends uses django a lot. and python. Not sure if they've set it up yet though.
[22:46] <Hybridsix> lrvick might have some insight.
[22:46] <AeroNotix> Great!
[22:46] <AeroNotix> And, what are the Arch arm repos like?
[22:47] <arthurdent> not bad
[22:47] <arthurdent> I tried debian for a little bit but then switched to arm
[22:47] <Cheery> BenO: I tried my steelseries keyboard with the latest thing
[22:47] <plugwash> IT_Sean, you can't really avoid using a SDHC card as basic SD cards generally stop at 2GB
[22:47] <Cheery> it's still not working
[22:47] <arthurdent> the only problem I've had is i can't get wpa_supplicant to work, but i've never used it before so it might just be my problem
[22:47] <IT_Sean> Ah, kinky.
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[22:47] <AeroNotix> arthurdent: wpa_supplicant is tricky. I just put it on a new laptop.
[22:48] <arthurdent> switched to arch*
[22:48] <plugwash> dunno if anyone has tried a SDXC card yet but I think it should work in theory
[22:48] <AeroNotix> arthurdent: the wiki is great for wpa_supplicant. I need to wrap it up into a login script for my lappy but not bad overall
[22:48] <BenO> Cheery, so in general, plugged in USB devices just aren't registering at all? or do they crap out at random points?
[22:48] <BenO> plugwash, the RPi cannot do the lower voltage required for it, IIRC will check
[22:48] <arthurdent> AeroNotix: http://archlinuxarm.org/packages
[22:48] <Cheery> BenO: I see it was reacting to numlock press by toggling the led
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[22:49] <Cheery> BenO: but only at early in the bootup
[22:49] <Cheery> just about after it was booted up
[22:49] <plugwash> The Pi can't do the lower voltage modes but AIUI all cards regardless of whether plain SD, SDHC or SDXC are supposed to start up in 3.3V mode
[22:49] <Cheery> BenO: another tidbit
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[22:49] <BenO> And then it stops responding?
[22:49] <AeroNotix> arthurdent: django is there :D awww yeah
[22:49] <Cheery> BenO: G6v2 starts up with all lights on
[22:49] <AeroNotix> Go as well :D
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[22:49] <Cheery> when I reconnected the keyboard, those all lights stood on
[22:51] <Cheery> [ 20.419074] hub 1-1:1.0: cannot disable port 2 (err = -71)
[22:51] <Cheery> [ 20.419200] DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
[22:51] <Cheery> [ 20.419554] hub 1-1:1.0: cannot reset port 2 (err = -71)
[22:51] <Cheery> [ 20.524642] DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
[22:51] <Cheery> [ 20.524664]
[22:51] <Cheery> [ 20.793986] hub 1-1:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -71)
[22:51] <arthurdent> Cheery: use pastie.org please
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[22:52] <Cheery> it might be it's tripping for real this time
[22:52] <BenO> Cheery, that doesn't look good at all... I'd escalate that up to someone from RPi if I were you, or post it on the forums. I know they scan that for problems.
[22:52] <Cheery> but why would the leds light up again?
[22:52] <Cheery> I'll bring it there
[22:53] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/dEyFCFQPskZFk8enARfr/
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[22:56] <Cheery> oh I could try another thing. :D
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[22:58] <Ben64> i think i just installed debian from within openelec
[22:58] <Hybridsix> Viaken!
[22:58] <Ben64> if i'm right, i can choose which to boot now
[22:58] <Hybridsix> good to see you in the cool guy's room.
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[22:59] <sraue> ben64 from within openelec?
[22:59] <Viaken> Hybridsix! Nice to be here.
[22:59] <Ben64> sraue: yeah
[22:59] <sraue> apt-get install debian ?
[22:59] <sraue> or how :-)
[22:59] <Ben64> openelec doesn't have apt-get
[22:59] <Ben64> and you couldn't apt-get debian
[23:00] <Hybridsix> AeroNotix had a question regarding arch/django on the pi. have any insight yet?
[23:00] <Hybridsix> Viaken ^^
[23:01] <Viaken> What was the question?
[23:01] <Viaken> I have Arch on mine.
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[23:01] <Hybridsix> perhaps AeroNotix will chime in?
[23:02] <Viaken> I can test Django if need be.
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[23:03] <Ben64> yep, looks like debian is booting now
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[23:05] <Hybridsix> Viaken: lrvick had arch running really well on his last night.
[23:05] <Hybridsix> okay. shutting down. ttyl
[23:06] <traeak> arch runs fine
[23:06] <traeak> you just need patience the first time it boots
[23:06] <traeak> and then update it
[23:06] <traeak> before expecting he video to work
[23:06] <zgreg> hm, USB interrupts appear to eat up about 4% of the CPU cycles
[23:06] <WPsites> anyone know of a good tutorial/info on getting a webcam to work on the new debian image (any debian really)?
[23:07] <Simon-> apparently it's more like 20%
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[23:07] <traeak> yup, 20% if you read the thread
[23:07] <traeak> he tested quake3 demo for those numbers
[23:07] <robertely> That's pretty insane
[23:07] <traeak> considering that's gpu related
[23:07] <Viaken> traeak: removing the mode line in config.txt got me a console on first boot.
[23:07] <Ben64> raspi-config locks up the system when i try to enable ssh server...
[23:07] <traeak> i wonder how really valid that test is
[23:07] <Ben64> i don't think it likes my partitions
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[23:08] <traeak> Viaken: good, then i probablydid something wrong with my initial install
[23:08] <zgreg> Simon-: hm, not according to my (very simple) benchmarks, but maybe I didn't do it correctly
[23:08] <Simon-> zgreg: it's not easily measured
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[23:09] <Simon-> and it would depend on what you have connected
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[23:09] <slug> hi, received mine today, but it doesn't boot, the red LED stays on. I measured the voltage with a multimeter and get 5V, i have it connected to a 2A power supply. Tried both with debian the arch image. any thoughts ?
[23:09] <zgreg> I measured it with nothing connected (apart from the LAN9512)
[23:09] <traeak> you have ethernet hoked up?
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[23:10] <lrvick> Anyone knwo of any mini-wifi adapters that work with the pi?
[23:10] <traeak> that helps with gut checking initial boot
[23:10] <traeak> lrvick: they'll work if they draw 100mA or less which i don't think there are any
[23:10] <zgreg> vs. USB completely disabled
[23:10] <slug> traeak: i do, but my router (running tomato), doesn't receive any dhcp request.
[23:10] <zgreg> I just did a simple cpu benchmark with "openssl speed aes-128-cbc", because that is what I had available
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[23:11] <Cheery> hey news! I also got the error with gamepad
[23:11] <plugwash> slug, just wondering is your nickname a reference to the linksys NSLU2?
[23:12] <slug> plugwash: no :)
[23:12] <lrvick> traeak: no i mean one that is actually compatible with arm/linux. The ones i have tried/seen all use a realtek chipset and don't seem to activate on the pi
[23:12] <traeak> slug: that's bad...probably means your system isn't booting
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[23:12] <lrvick> the kernel sees them, but wlan0 device never becomes active
[23:13] <manitou> olla raspberry peoplee
[23:13] <manitou> ;)
[23:13] <slug> traeak: yeah. is there an image that would fit on a 1GB card so that I could try instead of the 4GB I'm using now?
[23:13] <traeak> slug how are you budling the image?
[23:13] <traeak> i have an arch imgae i put on a 1GB stick for starters
[23:14] <Cheery> entul suv-
[23:14] <slug> traeak: no, just downloaded the debian and arch image from the torrent. the sha1 checksums match.
[23:14] <traeak> but then you have to use an external drive to hold any upgrade packages
[23:14] <reider59> I used my Edimax 7811UN in debian Squeeze and just got it going in Debian Wheezy Beta too. It`s a button size WiFi adaptor and works direct from the USB Port of the RasPi. Someone in the forum made a script to install it in Squeeze and Wheezy.
[23:14] <Cheery> the USB seems to work early, but then break down
[23:14] <traeak> slug: if you just dd'd it directly then it probably wouldn't work
[23:14] <traeak> slug: you would need to partition the stick yourself
[23:14] <traeak> slug: mount the image subpartitions using something like kpartx and copy the files from the image onto the card partitions
[23:14] <slug> traeak: oh, really? i see the partitions though. didn't see that mentioned anywhere. url?
[23:14] <reider59> .....and it`s cheap as chips
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[23:15] <traeak> slug: ugh...now that i don't know
[23:16] <Cheery> I'm quite damn sure it's driver bug now
[23:17] <Cheery> X(
[23:18] <Cheery> might it be ALSA?
[23:18] <slug> traeak: thanks for the tip on kpartx, from it i can see that the arch image will fit on 1GB if i copy it manually. I'll give it a try.
[23:18] <Cheery> Jun 17 23:29:03 raspberrypi kernel: [ 39.925820] ### snd_bcm2835_alsa_probe c05ce768 ############### PROBING FOR bcm2835 ALSA device (0):(1) ###############
[23:18] <traeak> slug: good you can figure it out :-p
[23:18] <traeak> slug: i'm guessing the process/procedure is availab
[23:19] <Cheery> or hm. -_-
[23:19] <slug> traeak: fdisk and cp -vax should work, i'll try.
[23:19] <Cheery> how to disable all services except USB and composite?
[23:19] <Cheery> in debian
[23:20] <Cheery> oh
[23:20] <Cheery> /etc/modules.conf it seems
[23:20] <slug> traeak: would a class 1 SD card work?
[23:20] <lrvick> So when I plug in my wifi dongle, the kernel sees it, but it never creates an interface: http://pae.st/yor2/raw/ ideas?
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[23:23] <three14> http://www.mouser.com/soldercoreplatform/
[23:24] <eXiLe> what are these two notebook-like flat connectors on the pi... anyone?
[23:25] <lee> CSI?
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[23:25] <Cheery> I thought I could party now.. but NO
[23:25] <Cheery> it was just unusually long okay
[23:26] <eXiLe> lee: both?
[23:26] <Cheery> it looks like I have to compile a kernel now
[23:26] <Cheery> with minimum amount of modules.
[23:26] <Gadget-Mac> eXiLe: they're for display and camera
[23:27] <eXiLe> Gadget-Mac: so one is output, one input?
[23:27] <Gadget-Mac> You could look at it like that I guess.
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[23:28] <eXiLe> what about MPEG4 encoding directly on the SoC?
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[23:29] <TrekRich> hey
[23:29] <TrekRich> got my pi on monday
[23:29] <TrekRich> and its really good!
[23:29] <Cheery> TrekRich: I might agree if mine was working
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[23:29] <megatog615> Gadget-Mac: what type of display?
[23:29] <Cheery> TrekRich: do you have problems with .img files?
[23:30] <TrekRich> nope
[23:30] <TrekRich> i used winimage
[23:30] <TrekRich> to make mine
[23:30] <TrekRich> and its booted ok
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[23:30] <TrekRich> maybe its your sd card?
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[23:31] <TrekRich> i ordered from cpc, what class is your sd card?
[23:32] <TrekRich> i ordered from cpc, what class is your sd card!
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[23:32] <TrekRich> these might be simple questions, sorry if they are!
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[23:33] <traeak> slut why not? i think the 1GB one i have here is class1 it isnt marked
[23:33] <Cheery> is there reference pics to check against whether your pi is okay?
[23:33] <TrekRich> i am using a class 6 card
[23:33] <traeak> i have a class10 right now
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[23:33] <TrekRich> nice
[23:33] <TrekRich> i bet thats well fast?
[23:34] <TrekRich> can anyone recommend a good irc client for the pi
[23:34] <Cheery> Hey I found some resistors that are missing!
[23:34] <eXiLe> irssi
[23:34] <three14> post photos, Cheery
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[23:35] <Cheery> three14: but they are near GPIO pins
[23:35] <ReggieUK> Cheery, where?
[23:35] <Cheery> there reads R5 next to it
[23:36] <traeak> hmph
[23:36] <three14> i don't have one there either
[23:36] <Cheery> R4 R7 R10
[23:36] <ReggieUK> me either
[23:36] <ReggieUK> they're not missing
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[23:36] <ReggieUK> just not populated :)
[23:36] <ReggieUK> check where they go and then check against the schematic
[23:37] <three14> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/PC2365272.jpg
[23:37] <three14> slightly older pic, but those resistors should be the same
[23:38] <Cheery>
[23:38] <Simon-> 4 5 7 and 10
[23:38] <Cheery> on the front side there seems to be NO problems
[23:38] <Simon-> you could get the rest of the PCM interface or add UART flow control
[23:39] <Cheery> is there backside of rpi somewhere?
[23:39] <three14> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/PC236530.jpg
[23:39] <three14> again, slightly older pic
[23:39] <three14> but should suffice
[23:39] <Cheery> all right
[23:39] <Simon-> if I had hardware that could use digital PCM I'd write an alsa driver for it
[23:40] <Simon-> but I don't :(
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[23:41] <trekrich> yes irssi is working!
[23:41] <Cheery> I wonder WHAT THE HECK is it?
[23:41] <Cheery> really
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[23:42] <Simon-> ?
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[23:46] <Cheery> and I STILL do not know whether this is broken, or just bad software
[23:46] <Cheery> [ 20.170704] DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
[23:46] <Cheery> comes with NOTHING on it
[23:46] <Cheery> nada
[23:46] <Cheery> nutha
[23:48] <sneakyne1ks> pastebin your dmesg
[23:49] <lerc_> So does this screenshot indicate that GLES output can be plonked right on top of the X display? http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/image012.jpg
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[23:49] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/MUR1fUKRHUVVqehewGrz/
[23:50] <Cheery> sneakyne1ks: you think you could locate something from there?L
[23:51] <mythos> lerc_, afaik it draws directly in the framebuffer and does not care anything about x
[23:51] <three14> what kwernel/firmware are you using, Cheery
[23:51] <three14> kernel*
[23:51] <sneakyne1ks> change a setting in the bios for usb from 'full speed
[23:51] <sneakyne1ks> to high speed
[23:52] <Cheery> sneakyne1ks: how to change it?
[23:53] <lerc_> mythos: So you get repaint fighting?
[23:53] <Cheery> three14: the one that was in the last official blogpost
[23:53] <Cheery> wheezy beta
[23:53] <mythos> lerc_, at worst
[23:53] <three14> Cheery, shouldn't be a problem, what other images have you tried?
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[23:53] <Cheery> three14: all of them
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[23:54] <Cheery> three14: well.. three
[23:54] <Cheery> not the qtonpi thing
[23:54] <mythos> lerc_, but i'm not an expert what that matters
[23:54] <three14> and your card class and size?
[23:54] <traeak> qtonpi is HUGE
[23:54] <traeak> i'm amazed at how big that distro is
[23:54] <traeak> just tested again, gettign17MB/s off my class10 microsd 8MB
[23:55] <traeak> probably have a patched kernel or something
[23:55] <AeroNotix> so, the GPIO pins, are they an an arduino?
[23:55] <AeroNotix> like an*
[23:55] <three14> AeroNotix, to an extent, but they can only supply a measley 16mA
[23:55] * SpeedEvil sighs at the question.
[23:55] <AeroNotix> SpeedEvil: Why?
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> AeroNotix: They are IO, like the arduino has, they can do broadly similar things.
[23:55] <three14> i mean, they're GPIOs, lol
[23:55] <sneakyne1ks> Cheery, I think you can by entering the bios durring boot up. I'm not sure what the interrupt key is.
[23:56] <AeroNotix> 16mA is enough for a relay and onwards :)
[23:56] <Cheery> three14: 4GB SD HC6
[23:56] <three14> AeroNotix, with a transistor, yes, perhaps
[23:56] * plugwash would NOT connect a relay directly to the GPIO pin of any microcontroller
[23:56] <eXiLe> does anyone know miniature infrared CSI-2 cameras?
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[23:56] <plugwash> and certainly not direclty to something like the Pi
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[23:57] <AeroNotix> plugwash: what about some diodes in series w/ it?
[23:57] <three14> Cheery, what are you using to write it?
[23:57] <three14> the image
[23:58] <Cheery> three14: df -h to look up what to unmount, unmount them...
[23:58] <Cheery> sudo dd bs=1M if=/home/cheery/raspberrypi/2012-06-18-wheezy-beta.img of=/dev/sdb
[23:58] <Cheery> sudo sync
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[23:58] <plugwash> Very few relays have a low enough coil current to work directly off a microcontroller and the inductive nature of their coils can cause nasty spikes at turn-off time
[23:58] <three14> if there are no errors that should be fine, Cheery
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[23:59] <plugwash> So i'd strongly advise a transistor or mosfet drive circuit so that the current through the relay doesn't go anywhere near the GPIO pin
[23:59] <AeroNotix> plugwash: either way - it's doable.
[23:59] <Cheery> three14: yes, no errors
[23:59] <three14> could use a reed relay to energize a relay, no?

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