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IRC Log for 2012-06-22

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[0:00] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, not seen that one before!
[0:00] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon use Ruby :)
[0:00] <Trickierstinky> actually would use lighttpd or apache really matter isn't it php that i'd need to configure
[0:00] <Gadgetoid> Accompanied by: DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
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[0:00] <Gadgetoid> Only seen it after switching back to SD boot and the latest kernel/firmware from rpi-updater
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[0:01] <Gadgetoid> Might go back to the bleeding edge kernel
[0:01] <FrankZZ> I'm probably not the first person to ask, but, what's going on with raspbmc.com?
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> Trickierstinky, http://www.php.net/manual/en/sqlite.installation.php
[0:01] <Trickierstinky> thanks
[0:01] <Gadgetoid> FrankZZ accidental DDOS due to new version release, I think
[0:02] <Gadgetoid> Someone who managed to get it posted a dropbox link earlier, check the logs :D
[0:02] <FrankZZ> ah
[0:02] <Gadget-Mac> Gadgetoid: Always a worry with anything Pi related
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[0:03] <FrankZZ> Gadgetoid: The raspberry tries to contact raspbmc servers at install too, or not? If so, that'd fail
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[0:03] <gordonDrogon> bed time now. until tomorrow...
[0:03] <Trickierstinky> I fail at linux :(
[0:04] <FrankZZ> or are old installer.img's broken after "Uploading fs into memory"
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[0:04] <Gadgetoid> FrankZZ no idea, not tried raspmc... this ain't no damn media player :D
[0:04] <FrankZZ> Ah
[0:04] <FrankZZ> I'm just looking at all the appliances :)
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[0:05] <FrankZZ> Oh, I've got that file already, the dropbox shared link of raspbmc
[0:05] <FrankZZ> But the pi is waiting forever at "Uploading filesystem into memory"
[0:06] <FrankZZ> It probably tries to contact raspbmc servers which are b0rked
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[0:07] <Terranigma> rc3 killed their servers :P
[0:07] <Gadgetoid> Back to bootc's kernel I think
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[0:08] <FrankZZ> Terranigma: I managed to install rc3 this morning, but I decided to reinstall raspbmc for some reason
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[0:08] <FrankZZ> and now it won't work
[0:08] <Terranigma> mines still installed
[0:08] <FrankZZ> oh well, let's try another os
[0:08] <Terranigma> just pretyy useless still for me :P
[0:08] <FrankZZ> lucky you :)
[0:08] <FrankZZ> oh
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[0:08] <Terranigma> 5.1 doesnt work properly
[0:08] <FrankZZ> hmm didn't test that yet
[0:09] <FrankZZ> does cec work?
[0:09] <Terranigma> dunno
[0:09] <Terranigma> i have no tv that supports it
[0:09] <FrankZZ> ah
[0:09] <Terranigma> at least i assume it doesnt
[0:09] <Terranigma> 2008 plasma
[0:10] <Terranigma> hmmm
[0:10] <Terranigma> maybe im mistaken
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[0:11] <Terranigma> panasonics implementation is viera link, which my tv does have
[0:11] <FrankZZ> yeah, i have a philips and they have a fancy name for it too
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[0:11] <FrankZZ> although my intel atom n330 board + ati hd5450 doesn't support cec over hdmi
[0:11] <Terranigma> might test that out then
[0:12] <Trickierstinky> well annoying everytime i do "sudo reboot" it never actually reboots
[0:12] <FrankZZ> need some fancy usb cec dongle thing
[0:12] <FrankZZ> Trickierstinky: ctrl+alt+del reboots the pi
[0:12] <FrankZZ> it did with raspbmc this noon
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[0:12] <Terranigma> still, without proper 5.1 to stereo its pretty useless to use
[0:12] <Terranigma> shame video plkayback is good
[0:12] <FrankZZ> ye
[0:12] <Terranigma> -k
[0:12] <Trickierstinky> would that work over ssh?
[0:12] <FrankZZ> You didn't mention that :P
[0:13] <FrankZZ> but, there are ssh clients that can 'send' ctrl alt del iirc
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[0:13] <OllieMorfik> try kexec instead of reboot
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[0:13] <Cheery> I'm doing some development on raspberry pi
[0:13] <Cheery> first time!
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[0:13] <Trickierstinky> kool I'll give that a try
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[0:14] <cehteh> kexec on the rpi? doesnt work
[0:14] <Gadget-Mac> Cheery: Congrats
[0:14] <FrankZZ> Cheery: what are you developping? :)
[0:14] <Trickierstinky> and cool cheery what you doing
[0:14] <ReggieUK> oh you got it booting them
[0:14] <ReggieUK> then*
[0:14] <FrankZZ> developing*
[0:14] <ReggieUK> not rma'ing it?
[0:14] * Gadget-Mac watches google anaylitcs
[0:14] <Cheery> ReggieUK: the farnell one came, and worked
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[0:15] <Cheery> so I'm rma:ing that one.. have the RMA slip with me already. :)
[0:15] <Cheery> I guess I keep the farnell one running as long as it runs
[0:16] <Cheery> no ANY point closing it.. at night for example
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[0:16] <Milos|Netbook> it will probably crashe before you can count to 5
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[0:16] <Gadgetoid> I wonder when wheezy will be ready for primetime
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[0:16] <Milos|Netbook> s/crashe/crash/
[0:16] <ReggieUK> what's the state of wheezy atm?
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[0:18] <Cheery> Milos|Netbook: like what would crash it? :)
[0:18] <Milos|Netbook> USB/network, it's very unstable in the kernel at the moment
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[0:18] <Cheery> ok
[0:18] <traeak> usb/network isn't unstable atall in my experience as long as you dont' have power draw problems
[0:18] <Cheery> alright.. I guess I get on developing
[0:19] <Cheery> I try make a graphics library.
[0:19] <Cheery> yes. it's "yet another one" for python
[0:19] <FrankZZ> openELEC vs raspbmc?
[0:19] <Gadgetoid> My Pi website gets almost 5 visits a day! whee
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[0:19] <Milos|Netbook> traeak, it also has 8k interrupts per second idle. :)
[0:20] <Cheery> going to use ctypes to get C APIs, then I'm going to decorate them
[0:20] <Cheery> I had this one idea... of an alternative desktop env.
[0:21] <FrankZZ> Gadgetoid +1 hit now
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[0:21] <traeak> Milos|Netbook: that doesn't make it unstable though, just stupid
[0:21] <Milos|Netbook> Well, on the contracy, in my experience, it is.
[0:21] <Milos|Netbook> But it will depend on the device.
[0:21] <_inc_pi> gordonDrogon: so yea, no longer running root :P thanks for poiting that out
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[0:22] <Cheery> btw.
[0:23] <Cheery> I think my farnell/raspberry pi experience has been really good.
[0:23] <Milos|Netbook> :)
[0:23] <Trickierstinky> cheery I must agree!
[0:24] <Trickierstinky> out of the two I'd say farnell seemed better
[0:24] <Cheery> the tty is really fast, if you ignore web browsing entirely
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[0:25] <Milos|Netbook> As in, ignore X?
[0:25] <Cheery> yep. :)
[0:25] <Trickierstinky> is it wrong i can't live without howtoforge?
[0:25] <JMNUTS> received my pi from farnel in Portugal this week :) 3 months waiting :) ; going to play with a breadboard now :)
[0:25] <Cheery> if I ignore X.. the pi experience is superb.
[0:25] <Milos|Netbook> Since I'm sure people do more than just web browsing in their X sessions.
[0:27] <Gadgetoid> FrankZZ: yay :D
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[0:27] <Cheery> dreaming about making a case for this thing
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[0:27] <traeak> what are you running under X ?
[0:27] <Cheery> it's bit nasty just on table with all wires spreading all around from it lol
[0:28] <Cheery> traeak: I tried it
[0:28] <Cheery> of course I tried it. ^^
[0:28] <Cheery> and it sucked
[0:28] <traeak> so you mean raw 'X' with a single terminal?
[0:28] <traeak> no window manager nothign like in the old days?
[0:28] <traeak> used to do that sometimes with the IBM RTs
[0:29] <traeak> old risc machines bootstrapped with an i286
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[0:29] <Cheery> hmm
[0:29] <MrBig> how many watts does it consume when working as a web server (idle), i would like to try to use it for some always on mini server for websockets, for my own use in the house
[0:29] <plugwash> links seems to perform fine on the Pi btw
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[0:29] <traeak> MrBig: should be less than 3.5W :-p
[0:29] <plugwash> so you can browse the web without X
[0:29] <Cheery> MrBig: sounds like cool idea
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[0:29] <MrBig> traeak: coool :D
[0:30] <sambenj> lynx !
[0:30] <traeak> MrBig: well the rpi is 5V maximum 700mA so there's your limit
[0:30] <traeak> Cheery: so what window manager were you running ?
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[0:31] <Cheery> has anyone looked the raspberry forums from links?
[0:31] <Cheery> it's horrible!
[0:31] <Cheery> traeak: lxde, the lightest one
[0:31] <MrBig> Cheery: yeah, i am making a 3D RTS game, and i have it connecting to a websockets server (i made in C#) and relaying detailed CPU and GPU usage of the various systems and routines, as well as ingame debug data, then i connect to the server using a webpage (js) and display the data, but, always need to power up the server and that is bit borring and i cant test stuff on 1 computer and check the debug data on other without configuring all
[0:31] <MrBig> the networking and such
[0:32] <traeak> i put on windowmaker, turned off opaque move and resize and IMHO it works fine
[0:32] <Milos|Netbook> Cheery, I agree, they are not hightlighted...
[0:32] <traeak> now i wasn't able to run a web browser
[0:32] <Terranigma> viera link doesnt do much here
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[0:32] <traeak> but the rpi doesn't have enough ram to run a full featured web browser
[0:32] <Milos|Netbook> 224MB is a lot of memory...
[0:33] <traeak> Cheery: 'X' and "lxde" are very different beasts
[0:33] <traeak> i just left mine at 128/128 split for now
[0:33] <OllieMorfik> fluxbox
[0:33] <DaQatz> traeak: It can run firefox
[0:33] <MrBig> i still have a HD with 300mb of space, 224mb memory is a ton!
[0:33] <DaQatz> traeak: As long as you stick to 1 or 2 tabs, and JS light sites
[0:33] <Cheery> traeak: they come in same vad of thorns
[0:33] <traeak> DaQatz: probably with a different memory split...and running firefox vs running firefox WELL
[0:34] <traeak> i'm sure you can drive a yugo up to the eisenhower tunnel. you just don't want to do it
[0:34] <Milos|Netbook> MrBig, agreed :)
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[0:34] <three14> there's no running firefox 'well' on the pi. maybe with accelerated x it'd help a little
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[0:35] <three14> with enough swap, you can open a ton of tabs (71 is my record)
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[0:35] <three14> but with a cpu pegged at 100% and a delay of 3-5sec between mouse movements, not gonna work
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[0:35] <MrBig> Milos|Netbook: at school, i have been using 8 bit flipflop shift registers, and its a ton of space :P
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[0:35] <Milos|Netbook> MrBig, hahaha, indeed!
[0:36] <Cheery> hey. what's your take on the dismanx -stuff?
[0:37] <MrBig> btw, anyone tried mono yet? to program stuff in C#
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[0:37] <Cheery> is there a way to make it draw just an image on the screen before creating any contexes?
[0:38] <Trickierstinky> anyone recommend a good sqlite admin
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[0:38] <_inc_pi> does zram increase pi performance significantly?
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[0:45] <three14> _inc, eh, slightly, if you set it's swap to have a higher priority over the swap on the sdcard, yes. but at the cost of higher cpu usage.
[0:45] <three14> i'm still on the fence about it.
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[0:45] <_inc_pi> hmmm
[0:45] <three14> will need to really test it thoroughly later.
[0:46] <_inc_pi> yea it does sound interesting
[0:46] <_inc_pi> it perhaps depends on the use case
[0:46] <three14> it can't hurt to try.
[0:46] <_inc_pi> with me it can
[0:46] <three14> lol
[0:46] <_inc_pi> im too tired :P
[0:47] <_inc_pi> i can only hack around at night so i get really tired
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[0:50] <Cheery> alright.. it can open dispmanx display now.
[0:50] <_inc_pi> i think i need a pi project :/
[0:51] <Cheery> _inc_pi: would you like to group with me? lets make a BSD-licensed python raspberry pi graphics library.
[0:52] <Cheery> well.. it's a low priority project so maybe no
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[0:55] <_inc_pi> Cheery: not too experienced in python
[0:56] <_inc_pi> i can read into it
[0:56] <JMNUTS> why another library ?
[0:56] <_inc_pi> is there a list of goals from the foundation?
[0:58] <_inc_pi> i tell you what annoys me -- the wiki, there is only search for elinux.org and not just the pi hub
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[1:00] <Cheery> JMNUTS: I do a different design.
[1:01] <JMNUTS> different in what ?
[1:01] <JMNUTS> faster ?
[1:02] <Cheery> with support for sharing videobuffers between processes
[1:02] <Cheery> by sending a byte blob through socket
[1:04] <Cheery> JMNUTS: I also sort of seek for sanity.. and future portability
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[1:04] <Cheery> what else would an insane person do?
[1:04] <curahack> Anyone have a mirror of Sam Nazarro's Raspbmc RC3?
[1:04] * blkhawk is now known as blkaway
[1:04] <Cheery> use torrent
[1:05] <Cheery> my comp is sharing at least hexxeh's idea of rasbians.
[1:05] <curahack> anyone got a torrent for me then?
[1:05] <curahack> because his site isn't even opening
[1:05] <Cheery> oh
[1:05] <hamitron> torrent of what?
[1:06] <curahack> Raspbmc RC3
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[1:06] <JMNUTS> tried raspbmc in mi PI, and sound in HDMI was broken, in Analog mode was ok.
[1:06] <hamitron> afraid not ;)
[1:06] <curahack> that was the RC?
[1:06] <curahack> JMNUTS ?
[1:06] <Cheery> sound in HDMI?
[1:06] <curahack> RC3 had no sound?
[1:07] <JMNUTS> don't know well, just tried one yesterday
[1:07] <curahack> wtf http://www.raspbmc.com/ is down like a motherf*ckr
[1:07] <curahack> annying
[1:07] <Cheery> seems like it has
[1:07] <Cheery> RPI would need a fast web browser
[1:08] <JMNUTS> yes, sound in hdmi, in analog was ok
[1:08] <JMNUTS> in hdmi was broken
[1:08] <Cheery> and a good one
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[1:08] <_inc_pi> hexxeh was working on an optimised chromium build
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[1:08] <plugwash> Cheery, that is the compromise isn't it, we need a browser that is fast enough and more importantly light enough on memory to run at the same time as programming activities
[1:08] <_inc_pi> though i heard he is away
[1:09] <plugwash> yet modern enough to actually show the modern web in a reasonable way
[1:09] <three14> ^ this
[1:09] <Cheery> I don't think you'd need to program the web browser on
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[1:09] <curahack> I thin hexxeh hit dry ground
[1:09] <plugwash> I've seen some suggestion that netsurf is a reasonable compromise for the Pi but I haven't tried it myself
[1:10] <_inc_pi> yea, he is doing an internship at google. he seems busy :P
[1:10] <curahack> seriously?
[1:10] <curahack> damn
[1:10] <curahack> cool for him
[1:10] <curahack> he's awesome at what he does
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[1:11] <curahack> shiiiiit I think my only SD card just broke
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[1:11] <JMNUTS> buy anotherone :)
[1:12] <_inc_pi> im going to step in for ReggieUK and say "watch your language, children may visit this channel"
[1:12] <curahack> at this time?
[1:12] <curahack> they'd be in for a spanking
[1:12] <_inc_pi> the internet is international :P
[1:12] <JMNUTS> maybe, they save the chat log for later :)
[1:12] <curahack> I'm from the caribbean :)
[1:13] <IT_Sean> curahack, this is an international channel, and the language policy is clearly posted in the channel topic.
[1:13] <curahack> Curacao to be exact
[1:13] <Cheery> my system keeps all the logs
[1:13] <Cheery> :P
[1:13] <curahack> hahaha, oki :)
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[1:14] <Cheery> an AI reading them in far future might feel disturbed from cursing.
[1:14] <Cheery> ^^
[1:14] <Cheery> (like this channel would be the worst)
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[1:14] * ReggieUK pulls his kicking boots on
[1:14] <ReggieUK> what did I miss?
[1:15] <IT_Sean> It's okay Reg.
[1:15] <IT_Sean> Stand down.
[1:15] * ReggieUK takes the boots off again
[1:16] <tzarc> but they're sexy boots
[1:16] <curahack> OMG [Crying]
[1:16] <tzarc> don't they make you feel special when you wear them?
[1:16] <tzarc> :P
[1:16] <curahack> I just fond my first MP3 player
[1:16] <curahack> it has a 1.0GB SD card
[1:16] <curahack> ./cries
[1:16] <IT_Sean> My first MP3 player has a 32mb SmartMedia card in it, so, it could be worse.
[1:17] <Cheery> tzarc: something in my brain associates that with zelda's link.. something very disturbing
[1:17] <Gadgetoid> My first mp3 player took CDs...
[1:17] <Gadgetoid> I called it Skippy
[1:17] <curahack> IT DOESNT WORK :'(
[1:17] <curahack> *anymore
[1:18] <plugwash> ah yes MP3 CD players, a good idea for a while when flash was expensive but quickly rendered pointless as flash got cheaper
[1:18] * hamitron still uses MP3 CD
[1:18] <Gadgetoid> I dug my dusty scratched iPod classic up recently, pried the back off with a screwdriver and tried to see if I could use the LCD with my Pi... it still works :D
[1:18] <plugwash> anyone remember the sony digital mavica camera which stored your pictures on floppies
[1:18] <three14> plugwash, i still use an Alpine mp3cd player in my car, it's from 2003. I change discs once every few months.
[1:19] <slacker> Anyone Know: what would be the best memory split for performance of a webcam?
[1:19] <plugwash> slacker, I doubt it will make much difference to the performance of the webcam itself
[1:20] <slacker> My web cam kind of works , but cruds out if it gets dark
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[1:20] <slacker> Plugwash - tnx
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[1:20] <_inc_pi> Gadgetoid: thanks for that excellent idea
[1:20] <plugwash> If you aren't using the GPU for anything beyond a framebuffer use 224
[1:21] * _inc_pi looks for old ipod nano
[1:21] <plugwash> If you are using other features of the GPU you will need to give it more memory
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[1:21] <ReggieUK> I don't need boots to make me feel special tzarc, I always feel special
[1:21] <Gadgetoid> _inc_pi: good luck!
[1:22] <slacker> plugwash, guess i should just try different one :-)
[1:23] <Cheery> ReggieUK: are you the Link itself then?
[1:24] <Gadgetoid> Your mileage may vary, but iPod video LCD seem to use.... ALL the pins: http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/ipodlcd.html
[1:24] <Cheery> t_t
[1:24] <IT_Sean> CONNECT ALL THE THINGS!
[1:24] <Cheery> what does happen when the gpu runs out of mem?
[1:25] <_inc_pi> i havent found the iPod yet but I have found my old floppy disks can MD-R's
[1:25] <Gadgetoid> Reminds me I need to raid my loft for a stepper motor
[1:26] * SpeedEvil looks at his stepper motor barrel.
[1:26] <three14> IT_Sean: http://i.qkme.me/3pt1a7.jpg
[1:27] <_inc_pi> ooooooooooooooooo Commodore 64
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[1:29] <IT_Sean> LOL
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[1:31] <Hexxeh> curahack: I'm literally this minute plugging my Pi in to take another crack at this
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[1:33] <_inc_pi> Hexxeh: chromium?
[1:33] <Hexxeh> yeah
[1:33] <_inc_pi> sweet
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[1:40] <Cheery> a question
[1:40] <Cheery> when doing dispmanx_element_add, why <<16 in src_rect?
[1:41] <tell_turtle> hi, regards from uruguay and thx!!
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[1:53] <Cheery> hmm
[1:53] <Cheery> I'm worrying about a bit the fact that the nativewindow is static structure
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[2:10] <Cheery> now this is some seriously freaked code.
[2:10] <Cheery> :)
[2:10] <Cheery> nativewindow is a python string blob
[2:10] <Cheery> and it's coming from display.fullscreen()
[2:11] <Cheery> this is not complete thing, as you'd like the .fullscreen to come from framebuffer object
[2:13] <Cheery> and framebuffer should be always opened before you can get the fullscreen.
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[2:17] <passstab> i got the message from allied :)
[2:19] <Cheery> could use EGL cheatsheet.. but a pdf viewer is probably worse than web
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[2:41] <arthurdent> so whenever i max out my rtl8188cus chipset usb wifi dongle on arch the wifi interface dies
[2:41] <arthurdent> i can start it back up again with ifconfig and netcfg but obviously not remotely.
[2:41] <arthurdent> has anyone experienced this and found a fix for it?
[2:41] <arthurdent> or at least know what might have caused the proble
[2:42] <curahack> for those who just want to download the image file of RaspBMC RC3 here's the link: http://download.raspbmc.com/downloads/bin/ramdistribution/installer.img.gz
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[3:16] <MikeL> yay finally got quake 3 working :p
[3:19] <markbook> on a pi?
[3:19] <MikeL> yea
[3:19] <curahack> ow I haven't tried that yet! :O
[3:19] <Quietlyawesome94> nice!
[3:19] <markbook> dang, that's great. I knew it had to be good for *somthing*
[3:19] <markbook> ;-)
[3:19] <Quietlyawesome94> Should try Saurbraten
[3:19] <curahack> I had it running on my ubuntu PC though
[3:20] <MikeL> took me 3 days to figure it out :/
[3:20] <MikeL> did play with raspbmc in the meantime tho
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[3:21] <D-side> i wish squashfs was easier to dealwith
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[3:32] <OllieMorfik> im playing with oe
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[3:36] <MrBig> has anyone built anything with raspberrypi that isnt just software? like, interface hardware with it
[3:36] <markbook> I know people have played with the LEDs on breadboards
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[3:37] <markbook> they have only been available a few weeks.
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[3:38] <MikeL> Someone did some webcam stuff if that counts
[3:39] <MikeL> it did have some hardware buttons aswell
[3:39] <MrBig> markbook: i see, what types of IO pins does it have? i have an arduino and have been interfacing it with a ton of stuff, but, i am bit limited by it not having ethernet and other stuff
[3:39] <hermanhermitage> i wish i had a monitor for my pi
[3:39] <MikeL> I wish I has a spare mouse :P
[3:40] <hermanhermitage> yeah thats the second on my list
[3:40] <MrBig> if it could interface nicely with other hardware, i could probably build it into my car :/
[3:40] <hermanhermitage> i saw the guy who demoed linux/AROS had an nifty wireless keyboard+mouse
[3:40] <hermanhermitage> I did have a spare MS mouse, but then had a little tantrum and its in pieces alas
[3:41] <markbook> MrBig: google "raspberry pi GPIO
[3:41] <MrBig> i have connected arduino to my car, but, the lack of a proper system behind it has always been a drag
[3:41] <hermanhermitage> MrBig: are you using OBD2 ?
[3:41] <hermanhermitage> there is a USB bridge chip that might make sense
[3:42] <MrBig> obd2?
[3:42] <hermanhermitage> elm327 bridge chip i think
[3:42] <hermanhermitage> http://elmelectronics.com/obdic.html
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[3:45] <MikeL> Just tryed playing Q3 online, wasn't too laggy just kept ketting killed :/
[3:45] <MikeL> tried*
[3:46] <hermanhermitage> MikeL: what is your version of linux?
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[3:47] <MikeL> not sure
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[3:47] <MikeL> the latest squeeze
[3:47] <hermanhermitage> ok so probably soft float? I wonder if hard float will make the cpu parts go faster
[3:47] <MikeL> no idea :P
[3:48] <MikeL> that's all abit above me
[3:48] <hermanhermitage> some of the distros are set up with a bit of ceremony around all the maths calculations
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[3:48] <hermanhermitage> so they can work with or without a floating point unit in the CPU
[3:49] <hermanhermitage> it adds a little bit of overhead when (like the pi) you do have floating point
[3:49] <MikeL> so it's like a portion of the cpu isnt being used?
[3:49] <hermanhermitage> its used, but it talks to itself to work out if it can use it or not
[3:50] <hermanhermitage> each time as it were
[3:50] <ReggieUK> MrBig, I got gpio-keys/gpio-mouse driver working
[3:50] <ReggieUK> so you can use a joystick as a mouse
[3:50] <ReggieUK> and/or build your own keyboard
[3:50] <MrBig> ReggieUK: :D
[3:50] <hermanhermitage> where as hardfp, makes the decision at kernel build time that yep we got acceleration, so no need to ask, just use it
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[3:51] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon has been doing some stuff too
[3:51] <MrBig> ReggieUK: have you tried reading analogic input? such as voltages from 0 to 5v or something like that?
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[3:51] <hermanhermitage> MikeL: so i'd expect a few % faster maybe with a later version (in the fullness of time...)
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[3:59] <ReggieUK> there's no way to read analog on the pi
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[4:03] <bnmorgan> finally!
[4:03] <markbook> "read the analog"?
[4:03] <cehteh> ADC
[4:06] <OllieMorfik> is this thing supposed to power up when i plug in my usb hub?
[4:06] <OllieMorfik> cause mine is
[4:06] <OllieMorfik> powered hub
[4:07] <Helldesk> it does get power "in reserve" but it's not enough to fully power it
[4:08] <Helldesk> "in reverse" I mean
[4:08] <Helldesk> at least mine boots up and crashes, boots up again etc.
[4:08] <Helldesk> I want to make a special cable for it that has the +5 V line disconnected
[4:09] <Helldesk> or maybe a cable that has a male A + female A and a branch with a male micro USB for plugging in the power connector
[4:10] <OllieMorfik> hmm hub says it outputs 2amps
[4:11] <Helldesk> 500 mA to each of its four ports, right?
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[4:11] <Helldesk> but power does not care about the direction if there's no galvanic isolation
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[4:12] <OllieMorfik> this has 7 ports
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[4:12] <OllieMorfik> heh
[4:12] <OllieMorfik> bit overkill
[4:13] <Quietlyawesome94> Someone hooked it up to the Motorola Atrix Dock...
[4:13] <Quietlyawesome94> http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/21/3105822/motorola-lapdock-hacked-raspberry-pi-rikomagic
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[4:14] <Helldesk> any news about the dropped usb packets?
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[4:16] <D-side> http://www.amazon.com/AT-Laptop-Dock-Motorola-ATRIX/dp/B004M17D62/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340331204&sr=8-1&keywords=lapdock
[4:16] <D-side> Quietlyawesome94: go get one :)
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[4:17] <Quietlyawesome94> Nah, I already have a Tablet.
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[4:17] <Quietlyawesome94> It would be cool to play with though.
[4:17] <D-side> not entirely hte point
[4:17] <D-side> i've got a slew of apple devices so i really CANT justify this
[4:17] <Quietlyawesome94> I know. I just don't have the money.
[4:18] <Quietlyawesome94> or the need.
[4:18] <D-side> yes
[4:18] <D-side> agreed
[4:18] <D-side> it'd be great for 15 minutes
[4:18] <D-side> HAHA LOOK WHAT I DID
[4:18] <D-side> then
[4:18] <D-side> "well. now what?"
[4:19] <bnmorgan> ok, somewhat dumb question i guess, especially now.
[4:19] <bnmorgan> I have my rpi today, now what do i use it for?
[4:19] <bnmorgan> >.<
[4:20] <D-side> bnmorgan: you are a plague upon me
[4:20] <bnmorgan> :P
[4:20] <D-side> bnmorgan: sell it to cameron
[4:20] <D-side> that's what you do with it
[4:20] * bnmorgan growls
[4:20] <D-side> i'm not even kidding!
[4:21] <bnmorgan> dside, if i plague you so much, why aggrivate me so that I try harder to plague you
[4:21] <D-side> look
[4:21] <bnmorgan> instead of being either helpful (preferable) or quiet (acceptable)
[4:21] <D-side> sell it to someone who will use it to its potential
[4:21] <D-side> esp since he does embedded dev work and has agreed to do my bidding
[4:21] <D-side> here, sell it to me. will that make you feel better
[4:21] <bnmorgan> that COULD be me with a bit of help, since you aren't helping, you are irrelevant.
[4:21] <D-side> why did you buy it
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[4:22] <bnmorgan> hell, i can't remember, that was like 6 months ago
[4:22] <D-side> that's a valid answer
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[4:22] <bnmorgan> had some bright idea between it and my ardu
[4:22] <D-side> i'd be using mine for streaming movies via xbmc if it werent for this buffering issue
[4:22] <OllieMorfik> http://log.liminastudio.com/writing/tutorials/tutorial-how-to-use-your-raspberry-pi-like-an-arduino
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[4:23] <D-side> bnmorgan: lemme know when you get tired of it and i'll take it off your hands for what you paid for it
[4:23] <Quietlyawesome94> I'm waiting to get a decent case for it.
[4:23] <D-side> i ordered a decent case for it
[4:23] <Quietlyawesome94> Use it as a media center.
[4:23] <D-side> now they just need to fab it and ship it
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[4:23] <OllieMorfik> so you wont power it on till you have a case?
[4:23] <Quietlyawesome94> I need to make a paper one.
[4:23] <Quietlyawesome94> I've been using it
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[4:24] <bnmorgan> same reason i bought a flyback txfr and a half dozen 7.5kv voltage multipliers
[4:24] <Quietlyawesome94> I have a ton of pets though so it makes me nervous
[4:24] <D-side> mine sits on top of the speaker shelf atop my tv
[4:24] <bnmorgan> bought them 6 months ago, got them this morning, and can't remember why too
[4:24] <OllieMorfik> mine doesnt like my keyboard or my usb hub and i am SAD
[4:24] <OllieMorfik> 3 months
[4:24] <Quietlyawesome94> Mine likes my wireless laptop mouse. :D
[4:24] <bnmorgan> i could print a case at work if i had models.
[4:25] <OllieMorfik> dont think you could preorder till late feb early march
[4:25] <D-side> he said it was "like 6mos ago"
[4:25] <OllieMorfik> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:24461
[4:25] <D-side> frankly it seems more like it was 12mos ago, given how long we've waited
[4:25] <OllieMorfik> bnmorgan:
[4:25] <D-side> but whatever, we all understand why
[4:26] <OllieMorfik> check the downloads
[4:30] <bnmorgan> yeah, i said LIKE 6mo
[4:31] <bnmorgan> cool. thank you.
[4:31] <bnmorgan> argh. need either SW or .stl format
[4:31] <bnmorgan> prob one on 3dcc
[4:32] <OllieMorfik> convert it
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[4:47] <magn3ts> Can I use kernel modules built for debian in raspbian?
[4:47] <magn3ts> Or do I need to compile it myself?
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[4:48] <rredd4> the port for the pi server is 1 or 5900?
[4:48] <rredd4> vnc that is
[4:48] <magn3ts> 1?
[4:48] <magn3ts> I've never heard of a VNC server running on port 1.
[4:48] <D-side> i've never heard of anything running on port 1
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[4:48] <rredd4> found that on google some where i think
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[4:49] <rredd4> so is it 5900?
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[4:58] <mute> he left but some VNC clients use :n to mean 5900+n
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[4:58] <mute> at least for some low values of n
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[5:21] <bnmorgan> well, i think it's booting. had some kinda problem with portamp daemon or somesuch.
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[5:25] <bnmorgan> and logged in
[5:25] <Helldesk> now my pi won't boot at all with the problem SD card
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[5:25] <Helldesk> it just blinks the OK light six times, I think
[5:25] <Helldesk> somehow it's hard to count how many times it blinks
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[5:25] <stev> Helldesk: what SD card?
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[5:26] <Helldesk> the one that does not support rebooting, but booted fine until now
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[5:27] <Helldesk> SanDisk SDHC 4 GB Class 4, BH1029316016G
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[5:29] <Syliss> yey wrt54g ftw
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[6:02] <MikeL> raspbmc is online now if anyone cares :P
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[6:12] <hermanhermitage> we all care
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[6:49] <node___> hi
[6:50] <hermanhermitage> ack
[6:50] <node___> i want one of these things so bad
[6:50] <node___> what do
[6:50] <RITRedbeard> mk802+
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[6:50] <node___> but i want wheezy :(
[6:51] <hermanhermitage> yeah
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[6:51] <hermanhermitage> just wait i guess
[6:51] <node___> i sent all my emails into the distributors
[6:51] <hermanhermitage> i've got one u can ssh in to if you like to fiddle with it, but thats no substitute
[6:51] <node___> is there anything else i should do?
[6:51] <node___> that sounds so cool
[6:51] <node___> i want to set up my own to do that
[6:51] <RITRedbeard> buy Allwinner A10
[6:52] <hermanhermitage> i think he wants in the RPI ecosystem
[6:52] <node___> ^
[6:52] <aknewhope> I have two orders in a newark. one in may and one in june
[6:52] <aknewhope> no word on ship dates
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[6:53] <aknewhope> even though newark never sent me an email, i somehow got to a page where i could place an order
[6:53] <aknewhope> from google
[6:53] <node___> WHAAAAt
[6:53] <node___> teach me your ways, lol
[6:53] <aknewhope> ill try to find the link to the page and see what it does
[6:53] <aknewhope> it redirects sometimes to that sign up page
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[7:00] <Arch1mede> hermanhermitage: the mk802 is just as bad as the pi for shipping...not avail till middle or end of next month
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[7:13] <rm> Arch1mede, wrong
[7:13] <rm> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/568297444-In-Stock-Android-4-0-Mini-PC-IPTV-Google-Internet-TV-Smart-Android-Box-DDR3-1GB-wholesalers.html
[7:13] <rm> "This MK802 is In Stock now!!!Welcome to place your orders !!!"
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[7:14] <Arch1mede> rm: 25 days till it ships
[7:17] <steve_rox> damn pi takeing weeks
[7:17] <steve_rox> lets hope they speed up eventually
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[7:18] <hermanhermitage> mk802: Shipping Cost:
[7:18] <hermanhermitage> US $25.77toAustralia Via EMS
[7:19] <hermanhermitage> pass the crack pipe
[7:19] <hermanhermitage> does the tiny USB stick come with a gold bar?
[7:19] <Arch1mede> i tried to order one...i was told it would take 25 days before it ships and it would take 15+ days to get to me
[7:19] <rm> Arch1mede, 25 days was with a different seller, this one promises 15
[7:20] <rm> but since they say "In stock" I'd expect them to ship in 3-5 days
[7:20] <hermanhermitage> i'm sorry but postage is almost as much as the entire PI
[7:20] <rm> Shipping Cost: US $13.40 to Russian Federation Via Hongkong Post Air Mail
[7:20] <rm> sounds okay
[7:20] <hermanhermitage> you can buy an entire VGA+CPU motherboard from newegg for under $70
[7:21] <Arch1mede> hermanhermitage: yeah but thats not the point now is it :P
[7:21] <rm> and I can buy an entire computer for $10 from a second hand market, what's your point? :)
[7:21] <hermanhermitage> totally the point
[7:21] <hermanhermitage> above $50 there is infinite choice for sbc or similar
[7:21] <Arch1mede> you can buy a netbook for less than getting that device+all the cables
[7:21] <rm> anyways, I already got my MK802 (albeit with 512 MB of RAM only)
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[7:21] <hermanhermitage> i do like the A10
[7:21] <hermanhermitage> but the value proposition on the current boards are bad
[7:21] <rm> ordered at the end of May, it was shipped almost instantly, and got it from the post office 1 day ago
[7:22] <rm> hermanhermitage, if you're looking for value er money, then Mele A1000/A2000 is your choice
[7:22] <rm> per*
[7:22] <hermanhermitage> you can get raw A10 boadrs for about $15-28
[7:24] <rm> my raspberry Pi order is $42 - no case, no PSU, no cables, 4x less RAM, 1.5x (to 2x?) slower CPU
[7:25] <rm> so I can't see how MK802 loses when compared by value against that
[7:25] <hermanhermitage> apples to oranges
[7:25] <hermanhermitage> MK802 has no ecosystem
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[7:26] <hermanhermitage> I want mine to come with 110" LCD, wow they all cost the same
[7:26] <hermanhermitage> is not much of an argument
[7:26] <rm> A10 has one
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[7:27] <hermanhermitage> http://rossum.posterous.com/20131601
[7:27] <hermanhermitage> if u want to go down the cost argument :)
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[7:37] <Helldesk> to what does hardfp and softfp refer to? floating point?
[7:38] <Arch1mede> yes
[7:38] <Helldesk> how is it an issue, does the SoC not have an FPU?
[7:39] <hermanhermitage> it has vfp
[7:39] <hermanhermitage> but not neon
[7:39] <Helldesk> I am unfamiliar with these terms
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[7:39] <Helldesk> virtual fpu?
[7:40] <hermanhermitage> vfp = floating point coprocessor on arm
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[7:40] <hermanhermitage> neon = super scalar /simd floating point unit
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[7:40] <hermanhermitage> softfp => a+b => perform_add(a, b) => at run time a different library is used but every op is a sub call
[7:41] <hermanhermitage> hardfp => a+b => a+b (real inline instruction to perform add)
[7:41] <Helldesk> so a significant performance difference
[7:41] <hermanhermitage> so softfp gives the runtime a chance to call a software version of floating point ops, without going into excpetion handling
[7:41] <Helldesk> especially when doing non-accelerated video I guess?
[7:42] <hermanhermitage> wont be much
[7:42] <Helldesk> oh
[7:42] <hermanhermitage> but any tight floating point loops will be faster on hardfp
[7:42] <hermanhermitage> and legacy 3d apps might do floating point on cpu instead of using vertex shaders
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[7:43] <hermanhermitage> hardfp is coming its mainly a config issue from my feeble understanding
[7:43] <hermanhermitage> having the toolchains and targets set up for it
[7:43] <DaQatz> Hmm I know enough arm asm, should do some research, and do hardware level asm guide.
[7:43] <hermanhermitage> if a program is compiled for hardfp it sets a baseline cpu, below which it cant run the executable any more (without very slow traps)
[7:44] <hermanhermitage> same way as a program compiled for neon wouldnt give much joy on rpi
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[7:45] <hermanhermitage> vfp ~= x87, neon ~= sse, in broad terms
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[7:46] <Helldesk> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435#comment-25646 huh, so six blinks means that "start.elf was not launched (but loader.bin must have been fine)."
[7:46] <Helldesk> I have that issue with my card
[7:46] <hermanhermitage> Helldesk: non accelerated X probably doesnt do much fp anyway
[7:47] <hermanhermitage> the best way to visualize non accelerated X is imagine a little old lady (ARM) moving around heavy furniture, while her strong sons lounge around doing nothing (GPU)
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[7:48] <Helldesk> yeah, also robbing the cpu time from stuff that only it could do
[7:48] <hermanhermitage> jupp
[7:49] <hermanhermitage> like bossing around her sons
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[7:51] <rm> awww that's a heartbreaking analogy
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[7:52] <rm> the number one strong son is the VideoCore VPU, but he doesn't live with his family at all :p
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[7:56] <hermanhermitage> yes
[7:56] <hermanhermitage> but he does pick his mother up by the bootstraps
[7:57] <hermanhermitage> and i guess blast out triangles, video and audio when given centre stage
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[8:20] <hermanhermitage> rm: what other devices like 802 or mele do you know?
[8:21] <_inc_pi> 'morning ladies and gents
[8:21] <hermanhermitage> 'evening visitor
[8:23] <rm> hermanhermitage, http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Allwinner_A10
[8:23] <_inc_pi> FAO Britain: what's with this weather aye?
[8:23] <rm> there's something called MiniX
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[8:28] <_inc_pi> (testing irssi)
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[8:29] <_inc_pi> sweet
[8:29] <_inc_pi> just need to solve my port forwarding problem on the superhub
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[8:39] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps.
[8:40] <Gadget-Mac> lo gordonDrogon
[8:42] <_inc> morning
[8:45] <_inc> i set up ddns on my network, forwarded all the ports. tested it from inside the LAN, works fine (but only due to loopback). If I try from WAN nadda
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[8:45] <_inc> solution: dont use the Virgin Media Superhub.
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[8:49] <gordonDrogon> I appear to be lucky in that I don't have a VM Superhub.
[8:49] <gordonDrogon> Don't have VM either.
[8:49] <gordonDrogon> so it's a bit moot :)
[8:50] <_inc> :)
[8:50] <_inc> I can't really complain about them apart from their shoddy router firmwares
[8:51] <_inc> I might flick it over to modem mode and use openwrt on my bufallo router
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> What speed is your connection?
[8:51] <_inc> 30m
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> Pi will handle that...
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> I guess...
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> I've been using Linux routers for quite some time now...
[8:53] <_inc> ive frozen it with some wget a few times
[8:53] <_inc> the pi that is
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> Do you have the turbo=N thing?
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> mine used to freeze until I added that.
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> although it would actually un-freeze itself eventually...
[8:54] <_inc> /boot/config.txt setting?
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> /boot/cmdline.txt
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
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[8:54] <gordonDrogon> and if that doesn't help, then: vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288 (in /etc/sysctl.conf)
[8:55] <_inc> cheers
[8:55] <_inc> ill give it a look
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[8:58] <Arch1mede> gordonDrogon: whats the smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 do?
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> Arch1mede, the smsc... stuff is to do with the Ethernet chip, and I've no idea about the others - that's what mine came with originally.
[8:58] <Arch1mede> ahh ok
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[9:00] <gordonDrogon> spot of breakfast time I thinkj.
[9:00] <_inc> i had eggs bendict yesterday
[9:01] <_inc> IT WAS LOVELY
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[9:29] <tech2077> yes!
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[9:30] <tech2077> now my i2c-device library is complete (sorta :P )
[9:30] <tech2077> it supports general i2c-devices, hd44780 displays controlled over a i2c io expander, and tmp102 temp sensors
[9:31] <tech2077> which leads to a great demo for headless rpi with an lcd showing the current temp
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[9:32] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: i think the vm.min_free_kbytes trick should be tried first because it doesn't result in a lost feature
[9:33] <megatog615> and i've been able to get away with 8192, for the record
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[9:39] <tech2077> https://gist.github.com/2962884 if anyone is interested :)
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[9:42] <oddy> Hiya, I've been looking at this 1600x900 monitor, but the R-Pi config.txt wiki page says that it only exists in reduced blanking mode - what does this mean, and how can I find out if it'll work with the monitor?
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[9:44] <_inc> when was your monitor manfactured?
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[9:47] <_inc> or model/make
[9:47] <_inc> afaik most monitors post-2005 started supporting this in DVI, not sure on HDMI
[9:49] <oddy> _inc: I'm not sure, I've been doign some googling and I can't seem to find out. http://www.aoc-europe.com/no_cache/en/monitors.html?useCacheHash=1&showUid=83 This is the monitor, if you fancy looking.
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[9:50] <_inc> ok well if it were me
[9:51] <_inc> i would use ssh
[9:51] <_inc> change the value and reboot to test it
[9:51] <Gadgetoid> Haha, megaproxy, we're looking into vidahost now ;)
[9:51] <_inc> if it dont work ssh in and edit back to a workable setting
[9:51] <_inc> and reboot again
[9:52] <oddy> I don't have the monitor yet, it'd cost ??60 to get it and maybe not work :/
[9:52] <_inc> with ssh you wont need a monitor. If it were me I would think it will support that mode and go for it (with that backup plan in place). Don't blame me if you breaks it
[9:52] <mjr> blanking is a CRT monitor thing (the signal pauses for a while after every line and frame to let it align the beam), I'd be surprised if a flat panel didn't do well with reduced blanking but won't pinky-swear
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[9:56] <_inc> ??60 for that isn't too bad at all
[9:56] <_inc> source?
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[9:57] <oddy> ebay, refurb, hold on
[9:57] <oddy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AOC-E2050SDA-LED-20-MONITOR-BLK-1600x900-DVI-VGA-SPEAKER-20-000-000-1-DCR-/251072991375?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_Monitors&hash=item3a751dd08f
[10:00] <oddy> Yeah, TBH worst case scenario is that I just have to run it at a reduced resolution than the optimal one, 1366x768 is proppers enough.
[10:00] <oddy> *probbers, i.e. probably
[10:01] <_inc> i dont think the graphics drivers are finalised? there may be more modes yet to be unlocked
[10:01] <_inc> dont quote me on that though
[10:02] <oddy> ah, that is true, plus i could always manually configure x without the config.txt file. But then again, last time I messed around with X it didn't go too well :P
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[10:07] <nidO> is there any reason why that monitor particularly?
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[10:24] <oddy> nidO: it's cheap and has DVI
[10:25] <oddy> I've been looking at a few others, but they always seem to have a max res of 1366x768 which is same as my laptop, so not much use for that, or they don't have DVI inputs, this one is one of the ones under ??100 that have DVI and are higher res.
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[10:27] <gordonDrogon> megatog615, intersting - you may well be right. I don't seem to have lost Ethernet performance though, but I've not checked cpu load as a result.
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[10:28] <nidO> there are a few monitors in the ??70-85 ballpark (new rather than refurb ofc) that're dvi at full hd
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[10:31] <gordonDrogon> HDMI still seems to carry a premium...
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> although I've not checked my local tv,etc. shop for portables.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> I could cope with a 720p TV for simple Pi use.
[10:32] <Gadgetoid> I'm just wondering who these people are with no monitors :D
[10:32] <Gadgetoid> Oh wait??? I don't have any either!
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> Well... All I had was a 30 year old monitor for a while until I realised my desktop monito had a DVI input!
[10:32] <Hourd> headless \o/
[10:32] <Kasreyn> over NFS or FTP, from what I can tell, 1080p is playing without issues on RPi (i'm impressed) (using this: http://sparky0815.de/2012/06/raspberry-pi-openelec-image-vom-21-06-2012-downloaden-r11371/)
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[10:34] <_inc> :( i have been forced to learn about kernel panics now
[10:35] <frankivo> _inc: what did you learn? :P
[10:35] <Xark> _inc: Lucky. Those have been pretty rare on PCs under Linux since the 90s. :)
[10:36] <reider59> I`d be happy with a small 10" or slightly less monitor. So I can at least see when the RPi has booted up, plus occasional use. Then carry on with VNC as I always have 2 side by side monitors on the go with my main machine. I use Input Director so the same keyboard/mouse does my left screen, right screen , laptop when switched on and I can do the same with the Android Phone too. The only one left out currently is the RPi, tho
[10:36] <frankivo> Xark: quite easy to do on Pi :P
[10:36] <reider59> booted or switch on the TV, which defeats the whole exercise.
[10:36] <Kasreyn> kernel panic frequency depends on which drivers you use .. :)
[10:36] <Xark> frankivo: Yeah, I even got to fool with the kernel mode debugger on the serial console on the RPii. :)
[10:37] <Gadgetoid> reider59: the lilliput displays look awesome for the Pi, shame that small size does not equal small price
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> Hm. the NTP pool needs more servers.. Wonder if I could dedicate a Pi to it :)
[10:37] <_inc> VFS: unable to mount root fs via NFS, trying floppy
[10:37] <_inc> then it can't cus yea
[10:37] <frankivo> 10:34 <+Kasreyn> kernel panic frequency depends on which drivers you use .. :)
[10:37] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Where's your Pi going to get accurate time from? :D
[10:37] <_inc> its not 1995
[10:37] <frankivo> yea, it's a keyboard I have
[10:38] <Xark> _inc: Something tells me the floppy fallback didn't work... :)
[10:38] <reider59> I thought that too. What I might do for now is add a serial LCD module, I can attach that to the Arduino. I have about 5 CystalFontz USB modules I got for test and development but not got them working yet.
[10:38] <_inc> Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions:
[10:38] <_inc> and a load of hex
[10:38] <reider59> *CrystalFontz
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[10:39] <Gadgetoid> reider59: I keep drooling over various LCDs, so much choice!
[10:40] <reider59> CrystalFontz are great in windows but I read in the forum the serial ones are really problematic to get going. I miss programming screens on them though.
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, radio clock.
[10:40] <Gadgetoid> reider59: still dying to get one of these: http://www.adafruit.com/products/438
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, but I have an old garmin hand-held GPS I could also use...
[10:40] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Ahh, nice!
[10:41] <Ben64> has anyone gotten a screen to work on the pi yet
[10:41] <Gadgetoid> Ben64: it shouldn't be too problematic on the GPIO, just takes someone to bother doing it
[10:41] <Ben64> i mean dsi
[10:41] <Gadgetoid> Ah, not to my knowledge!
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[10:42] <Gadgetoid> "DSI" is a very hijacked search term :D
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I think it's this: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/graphic-lcd-128x64-stn-led-backlight-p-542.html with rBG backlight.
[10:43] <Xark> Gadgetoid: Yeah, I like that one. I got this one, which is nice but rather tiny (haven't tried it on RPi yet, but it is "crisp"). -> http://www.adafruit.com/products/326
[10:43] <reider59> They look cool. I`m impressed with the colour change by PWM and the fact that they run off Arduino Programming. Much better than confined choices in another third party software like LCD4linux.
[10:43] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: More or less, gordonDrogon, but I wont settle for anything less than the negative RGB backlit version of awesomeness :D
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[10:44] <Gadgetoid> Xark: nice, tiny!
[10:44] <Gadgetoid> Xark: would be awesome to fit right into a case
[10:44] <_inc> http://i.imgur.com/RRa4b.jpg any pointers?
[10:44] <Gadgetoid> _inc: "Cannot open root device "(null)" ?
[10:45] <Gadgetoid> What's the content of your cmdline.txt
[10:45] <Xark> Gadgetoid: Yes, I like it. However, I think the one you linked is a bit nicer (I don't think it was available when I got this little OLED).
[10:45] <Veryevil> looks like its trying to boot from NFS
[10:45] <_inc> ooooo
[10:45] <Gadgetoid> Veryevil: it always says that
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. This looks intersting: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/essentials-c16ldib11-refurbished-16-hd-ready-lcd-tv-11081823-pdt.html
[10:45] <Gadgetoid> not sure why!
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> seems to have all inputs too.
[10:45] <_inc> i changed turbo mode=N, is that it?
[10:46] <Gadgetoid> _inc: you might have monged the syntax
[10:46] <Veryevil> no that wont be it
[10:46] <_inc> Gadgetoid: likely
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[10:46] <Veryevil> need your cmdline
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I guess a small portable TV like that counts as the ultimate LCD display to connect to a Pi ? ?!?!?! :)
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[10:46] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: possibly??? although I think small, mountable LCDs have more "cool factor"
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[10:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, for sure!
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> _inc, you must have lost the root= in the cmdline.txt file.
[10:47] <Gadgetoid> _inc: you need something like: root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 in it
[10:47] <Gadgetoid> For reference, my cmdline is: dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 panic=10 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> _inc, it's all one line, no breaks, just spaces...
[10:47] <_inc> http://pastebin.com/iHdEPK75
[10:48] <_inc> cmdline.txt
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[10:48] <Gadgetoid> _inc: ditch the linebreaks
[10:48] <_inc> wow
[10:48] <_inc> ok thanks
[10:48] <Gadgetoid> _inc: the cmdline is just that, it gets appended to the kernel launch call or whatever real linux people might call it :D
[10:48] <Gadgetoid> _inc: it's not, as it might appear, a config file
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[10:48] <_inc> thanks guys
[10:49] <Gadgetoid> I wonder how hard it would be to allow linebreaks in cmdline.txt though??? should be trivial to do a replace on the file before appending it, and it'd make it much cleaner
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[10:50] <Gadgetoid> _inc: to hell with turbo_mode, just use bootc's non-sucky kernel :D hahaha
[10:50] <_inc> yup, that was it
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[10:50] <gordonDrogon> I'm using kernel sources from bootc ...
[10:50] <Gadgetoid> I posted 8 days uptime with 3.2.19 before I manually rebooted, the 3.1.x barely made a day
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> Maybe I can try it with that out...
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[10:51] <_inc> I'm not to savvy with linux
[10:51] <Gadgetoid> _inc: installing his kernel is easy as pie
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[10:51] <_inc> i've been using rpi-update
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[10:52] <gordonDrogon> rebooting. just realised I've been running that Pi with 17LEDs on for the past 2 days...
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[10:52] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: no ill effect, eh?
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> seems fine.
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[10:53] <Gadgetoid> _inc: http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[10:53] <Gadgetoid> _inc: it's a good thing you've used rpi-update, that gets you most of the way. Installing bootc's is about 3-4 copypasta commands away, and a couple more if you want to keep it up-to-date via APT
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[10:54] <Gadgetoid> Just make sure you don't do this: cp /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.20-rpi1+ /boot/kernel.img
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> I used rpi-update then compiled my own kernel from bootc's sources.
[10:54] <Gadgetoid> Before doing this: cp /boot/kernel.img /boot/kernel.3.1.9-rpi1+
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.20+ #1 PREEMPT Mon Jun 18 10:39:49 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[10:54] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Many tweaks?
[10:54] <Ben64> is that kernel better than the wheezy one?
[10:55] <Gadgetoid> Ben64: what does wheezy ship with?
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[10:55] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, not really, just pared down to the bare minimum for me.
[10:55] <Ben64> Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #125 PREEMPT Sun Jun 17 16:09:36 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2405224 Jun 18 10:41 /boot/kernel.img
[10:55] <Gadgetoid> Or does wheezy use the 3.1.9 too?
[10:55] <Gadgetoid> Ben64: then, yes
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> the only wheezy I'm using the raspbian. Personally 100% not intersted in wheezy otherwize
[10:55] <Gadgetoid> Not so much a professional opinion as speaking from experience
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[10:56] <Ben64> then what do i need to do to change it? drop in a new kernel.img or is there more
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> Everything I run is Debian stable - I'm making an exception for Raspbian.
[10:56] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: yeah, having a non HF wheezy seems like a waste of time that could otherwise be well spent on the Raspbian effort
[10:56] <Gadgetoid> But people will please themselves, and who am I to tell them otherwise!
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> Quite! :)
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> well I have more cooking to do today for a thing my wife is running tomorow and I've just picked up another coroporate lunch for 25 people for next Thursday!
[10:58] <nidO> random question, does anyone use filesanywhere?
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[11:01] <sraue> bootc, can you update to 3.2.21 the next days and inlude the latest alsa driver fixes from 3.1.9 too, if it makes sense?
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[11:07] <gordonDrogon> wonder where I can get Nam Pla in ruralistan...
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[11:11] <nidO> got a waitrose?
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/lcd/st7565-128x64-graphics-lcd-rgb
[11:17] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: don't tempt me :D I might nag them to stock the negative version actually
[11:23] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: fired 'em an email, I really should start pulling my blogging weight and trying to get some free gizmos in exchange for reviews/videos and links??? it would surely pay off for the resellers, given the level of interest in the Pi, and particularly the topic of hooking anything cool up to it
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[11:29] <reider59> Drop an email to Crystalfontz. Tell them you were talking to Reider, one of the beta testers on CrystalFontz2 and ask about suitability for serial LCD`s for the Raspberry Pi.
[11:30] <FND> hi - while I haven't received my yet, I wonder whether it's possible to turn off power on a USB port (so attached HDDs only draw power when actually used, without having to manually un- and replug them)
[11:30] <Mr_Sheesh> Sneaky thought :)
[11:30] <reider59> oops reider not Reider and deffo not reider59. Just looking for the techy admin email addy
[11:30] <Gadgetoid> reider59: they definitely have some nice units
[11:31] <Habbie> any opinions on the power supply RS suggests for the pi?
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[11:31] <Mr_Sheesh> FND - Should be, but hmm would you be able to just turn the +5V line off and on? (High side DC switching isn't super simple in many cases, though there are ways)
[11:31] <reider59> I still have access to the private beta forum though CF2 development has finished. I could have got you one then, I only had to ask and they shipped them over to me for free
[11:31] <Gadgetoid> reider59: Haha, crazy!
[11:31] <FND> Mr_Sheesh: while I'm good with (high-level) software development, I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to hardware - so even your statement there is beyond me... :)
[11:32] <FND> (of course I hope the pi will remedy that to some extent)
[11:32] <reider59> I have 5 here, a Scab temperature module and loads of temp fittings and cables
[11:32] <bootc> sraue: yep, I'll look into it
[11:32] <sraue> bootc, thanks much :-)
[11:32] <Mr_Sheesh> It's easy to switch a ground lead on/off with a logic level FET or the like - High side you could use a SSR (Solid State Relay) though
[11:32] <Gadgetoid> reider59: there's fame to be had for the first people to hook up a small LCD to the Pi, go go go!
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> FND: In general - no
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> FND: Most USB ports do not support soft-off.
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> FND: However - you can put the HDD into suspend mode
[11:33] <FND> SpeedEvil: yes, that's what I heard (wanted to do the same on a regular laptop and OLPC a few years ago)
[11:33] <mjr> which, by the way, sucks donkey
[11:33] <reider59> You don`t want to contact Admin, he is a miserable so and so. Tech Admin is higher than him (Admin only programmed the CF2) and covers both the USB and the serial side
[11:34] <Mr_Sheesh> many HDDs spin down when not accessed for a time, also
[11:34] <reider59> trouble is I archived all my old mail several times when swapping PC and/or motherboard
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> yea, easier to use the HDD's spin-down stuff.
[11:34] <FND> I guess it's not strictly necessary, but I figured it was an interesting concept to get started with the pi
[11:35] <FND> anyway, I'll have to find a different project to get started with then
[11:35] <Mr_Sheesh> I used to have a DOS utility that would let you set a HDD's spin-down time etc.; I'd think there's one like that for ARM Linux variants?
[11:35] <reider59> try support@crystalfontz.com for starters
[11:36] <reider59> joining the tech forum might help too, I`, listed in there as reider
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> gotta go shopping now. laters!
[11:36] <FND> I'll look into that, Mr_Sheesh
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[11:37] <mjr> hdparm can set spin-down time and suspend a disk but I'm not sure if USB enclosures generally work with that
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[11:37] <Mr_Sheesh> GL with that FND; I may be able to find that DOS utility (friend was using it for a router/firewall that ran on DOS, so it may have been on one of the freeware DOS utils he used, unsure)
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[11:38] <FND> thanks guys
[11:38] <Gadgetoid> Thanks, reider59, I'll try and find some time to look into it! much programming to do right now ;)
[11:38] <Gadgetoid> reider59: did you see the palm m500 stuff at http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/ >
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[11:40] <reider59> I might waste another day hooking up one of mine with LCDProc or something, got the 631 (2 line), 633, 635 with 4 lines and 6 buttons, 634 external with no buttons and its own housing and some other one I forgot too. I was the first one to program the buttons and get them working, took a fortnight and I managed it about 3-4am, what a Eureka moment that was. It was only theorettically possible up to that point and the rest of t
[11:40] <reider59> they had a go from my notes
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[11:41] <reider59> Techy Admin just couldn`t believe I`d thrashed it out in something as simple as notepad. they were using specialist software lol
[11:41] <Mr_Sheesh> Gadgetoid - Could use a Palm IIIc for color maybe?
[11:41] <reider59> hackers choice.....notepad
[11:41] <alex16> i know that this channel isn't the appropriated for that but....
[11:42] <alex16> someone can tell me what is the iPhone developer channel?
[11:42] <Habbie> #iphonedev on freenode is popular
[11:43] <alex16> thanks so much, Habbie
[11:43] <reider59> nice one, saved that link in faves.
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[11:52] <Gadgetoid> Mr_Sheesh: I don't know if PalmOrb will do much with colour, although I've just remembered that I *do* have a colour PalmOS device that I didn't think to use
[11:52] <Gadgetoid> Namely??? the Tapwave Zodiac!
[11:52] <Gadgetoid> But I could probably do bluetooth networking on that and just load a full-colour webpage
[11:53] <Mr_Sheesh> I have 3 Palm IIIc's and was considering making my RPi into a wearableish machine, hmmm
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[12:05] <dpwright> My raspberry pi arrived today!
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[12:05] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[12:06] <Gadgetoid> Hurrah dpwright, who did you order from and when?
[12:06] <dpwright> spend the last four hours sitting on the floor in front of my tv like I did when I was a boy :-)
[12:06] <dpwright> RS Electronics, and just after the first rush
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[12:07] <dpwright> I tried to get it during that first chaotic period, got to the "register" screen, and didn't fill it it, because I wanted to purchase, not register
[12:07] <Mr_Sheesh> Grats, dpwright!
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[12:07] <Gadgetoid> dpwright: when did you actually place the order, though? Just trying to get a feel for when my colleagues one will show up, so I can hide it and paint it blue
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[12:07] <dpwright> didn't find out till much later that you had to register there to get on the waiting list
[12:07] <dpwright> oh right
[12:07] <Gadgetoid> dpwright: yeah, that whole register interest thing was a debacle!
[12:07] <dpwright> hang on, I'll look through my mail
[12:07] <Gadgetoid> Cheers :D
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[12:08] <Gadgetoid> I was kidding about the painting it blue, that'd just be wrong!
[12:08] <dpwright> May 23rd
[12:08] <dpwright> My "order confirmed" mail came
[12:08] <Gadgetoid> Ah, so you're a few days before him
[12:08] <dpwright> I'm in Japan, so postage probably takes a bit longer
[12:08] <Gadgetoid> Well, a week actually!
[12:08] <dpwright> they sent it on the 19th
[12:08] <dpwright> it arrived today
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[12:09] <rm> Despatch expected in 10 week(s)
[12:09] <rm> worse and worse
[12:09] <Gadgetoid> 10, wow
[12:09] <dpwright> :-/
[12:09] <rm> first 5, then 9 now 10
[12:09] <dpwright> yeah, I thought a month was pretty standard
[12:09] <rm> I am checking it from time to time
[12:09] <Gadgetoid> It was 1 week back when I got mine, and I got mine in a day or so
[12:09] <rm> if it slashes to 2 weeks at most, I'll order
[12:09] <Gadgetoid> rm: you'll be waiting 10 weeks for it to slash to 2....
[12:10] <Gadgetoid> Just order!
[12:10] <rm> Gadgetoid, yeah but the thing is I'll be waiting with my money with me
[12:10] <Gadgetoid> lady luck might be on your side
[12:10] <Gadgetoid> rm: it's hardly a fortune...
[12:10] <rm> for them to improve their service and actually get the sale
[12:10] <rm> I don't like a feeling of waiting for someone to perform the job (or deliver the goods) I already paid for
[12:11] <Gadgetoid> I don't think they're entirely at fault, it's a throughput issue- I expect they tentatively tested the waters with a limited manufacturing capacity and are now knee deep in fail
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[12:12] <Gadgetoid> Companies that usually sell a couple of hundred assorted dev boards a day to businesses, suddenly selling hundreds of thousands to consumers are going to have troubles
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[12:17] <Mr_Sheesh> I think all of us were amused when the RPi first came out & a couple companies web sites were zombied out for a day :P
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[12:17] <_inc> apparently the foundation did warn them how pupular it was going to be
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[12:18] <Gadgetoid> _inc: I don't think anyone believed them
[12:18] <_inc> and they were like "nothing we can't handle, move along"
[12:18] <Gadgetoid> I'm still pretty surprised at how popular it is
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[12:19] <GabrialDestruir_> http://revision3.com/hak5/raspberry-pi
[12:19] <nidO> the big problem from the web side is just that no-one ever bothers telling the tech staff
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[12:20] <nidO> this was demonstrated even better with the touchpad firesale last year, aka rolling ddos doing the rounds of any stores even thinking of selling them off cheap
[12:21] * Gadgetoid wonders if he should put text-link advertising on his Pi site, in the vague hope of gaining a sale or two
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[12:22] <SpeedEvil> adwords
[12:23] <Gadgetoid> SpeedEvil: adwords disgusts me
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[12:28] <GabrialDestruir_> Apparently Camera boards Q3
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid: have you considered purchasing 'From Disgust to Humanity: Sexual Orientation and Constitutional Law' ?
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[12:32] <Gadgetoid> SpeedEvil: tangent much?
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[12:33] <SpeedEvil> I was attempting a funny. It happened to be the first book on search results for disgust.
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[12:35] <Gadgetoid> Pretty topical at the moment, by the sounds of it???. if the title suggests what I think it suggests
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[12:52] <WASDx> Would running the OS from a usb-drive be faster than the SD-card?
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[12:53] <nidO> in comparison to the stable squeeze release yes, much
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[12:53] <nidO> in comparison to the wheezy release with sd card fixes, no
[12:54] <WASDx> I'm intending to use arch
[12:54] <zutto> WASDx: ideal setup is to run the OS from sd card, and everything else from USB storage
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[12:59] <WASDx> Not sure which SD card to get. I'm looking at the wiki and the card I'm looking at works for some but not for others
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[13:00] <rm> WASDx, some SD cards are very slow, some USB sticks are very fast... and vice versa
[13:00] <zutto> tbh, i havent found slowness of my sd card a problem
[13:00] <rm> though "very fast SD cards" are more difficult to come by, than USB sticks, I think
[13:00] <zutto> and i'm using micro sd card
[13:01] <WASDx> I'm looking at a Sandisk 8GB class6 labeled as 20MB/s rw
[13:01] <WASDx> sdhc
[13:01] <nidO> should be fine
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[13:02] <WASDx> nidO: yeah but one guy has wrote "Boots kernel but won't run init ( mmc timeout waiting for interrupt )" on the wiki while someone else claims it works
[13:02] <nidO> two of my 3 are 20mb/s class 6 sandisk ultra's and they work fine
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[13:03] <zutto> WASDx: you have to remember that not all claims are correct
[13:03] <WASDx> I guess I'll go with that then. The store I'm buying it from are nice and will probably let me return it if it fails
[13:03] <zutto> people claim that something doesnt work, while its just user error
[13:03] <WASDx> Yes. I assume they are not lying but rather having different circumstances
[13:03] <zutto> yeah
[13:05] <nidO> the foundation did mention recently that about 50% of the rma's theyre seeing have been tested to work fine
[13:05] <Draylor> standard
[13:05] <Draylor> never underestimate peoples stupidity
[13:05] <Draylor> they buy stuff, dont want it, so return it claiming its broken
[13:05] <zutto> nidO: did they?
[13:06] <nidO> zutto yes
[13:06] <zutto> i have missed that :<
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[13:08] <_inc> just had a power nap, and a very inception-like dream
[13:09] <haltdef> aw, unstable at 4.7ghz
[13:09] <haltdef> MORE VOLTS
[13:10] <zutto> wat
[13:10] <zutto> what are you clocking?
[13:10] <WASDx> the pi, duh
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[13:10] <haltdef> i7 3770k :P
[13:10] <zutto> ah
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> hi
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> still trying to work out the definitive video settings in config.txt. If I put in sdtv_mode=2 (UK?) then it seems to ignore overscan settings )-:
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[13:16] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Joy! what happens otherwise?
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> if I leave sdtv_mode commented out, then the video seems to be PAL (I think, no 'scope to really be sure), and the overscane thing works as I'd expet.
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> with framebuffer_width=704 & framebuffer_height=544 then I get a 640x480 display.
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> however if I put sdtv_mode=2 in, then I get a full-screen of 704x544 with no overscan.
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> my TV and 30 year old monitor work with no sdtv_mode - so I was assuming that it defaulted to Pal, but it seems some people are suggesting it defaults to NTSC.
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[13:50] <IT_Sean> morning
[13:51] <psypher246> hello fellow modders
[13:51] <Cheery> hi
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> giving up on sdtv fiddling. it's all wrong as far as I can tell.
[13:51] <psypher246> i got my pi yesterday and it seems DOA
[13:51] <Milos> you said it worked fine when you set PAL
[13:51] <psypher246> :(
[13:51] <Milos> what makes you think it's DoA?
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[13:52] <MikeL> Good morning from me aswell
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[13:53] <psypher246> i loaded the recommended image, debain, unplugged all other devices, got the proper powersupply from RPi, got a supported sd card, yet still just have red light on and not booting
[13:53] <MikeL> Didn't mean to sleep past 12 :/
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[13:53] <Milos> psypher246, no rainbow on the screen? Are you using HDMI?
[13:53] <psypher246> nothing on screen
[13:53] <Milos> HDMI?
[13:53] <zutto> psypher246: any lights on the board?
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[13:53] <Milos> zutto, just the red one as he mentioned.
[13:54] <zutto> oh, right
[13:54] <psypher246> troubleshooting tips on the website sayd with nothing plugged in i should see green light blibk for ~20 secs
[13:54] <psypher246> yeah HDMI
[13:54] <Milos> Strange...
[13:54] <psypher246> i know the SD works cos it was my OS install on a netbook, also did a full dd read and write of the SD without errors
[13:54] <Milos> Let me just check what happens with mine if I remove the SD card and boot it.
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[13:54] <psypher246> used dd to image the disk, can see the folders with all the files requred
[13:55] <sako1> Hiya..Besides Quake.. can anyone recommend a FPS game that works on PI??
[13:55] <sako1> running wheezy
[13:56] <Arch1mede> red light with small green light and the color rainbow sreen usually indicates a bad sd card/ bad image
[13:56] <Milos> Ok, so with the SD card removed I get no output and a red right. Have you tried any other SD cards psypher246?
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[13:56] <Arch1mede> err or
[13:56] <psypher246> no unfortunately I haven't got another one, thats my only other option, goning to try steal one somewhere
[13:56] <psypher246> it's a transcend 16GB SDHC which sites says is supported
[13:56] <Milos> If you have nothing better to do at the moment try rewrite the image with dd or whatever you were using, just in case.
[13:57] <IT_Sean> I would try a diffeerent card before calling it quits.
[13:57] <Milos> Though unlikely it's possible the imaeg you downloaded is actually corrupted.
[13:57] <psypher246> did u use dd or windows?
[13:57] <Arch1mede> psypher246: you can find out for sure if you reformat it fat32 and follow the instructions for the raspbian installer
[13:57] <zutto> ^yeah, try that
[13:57] <Milos> I've used many different imaging techniques.
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[13:57] <Milos> They all worked fine for me.
[13:57] <Arch1mede> that will boot it up to the installer if there isnt anything wrong with the sd card
[13:57] <psypher246> Milos: i did check the sha hash after downloading
[13:57] <Milos> Ah, ok.
[13:58] <psypher246> raspbian installer?
[13:58] <Arch1mede> yes
[13:58] <Milos> Hmm... it's gotta have something to do with the SD card.
[13:58] <Arch1mede> Milos: or the image
[13:58] <Milos> He said he verified the hash.
[13:58] <Arch1mede> it doesnt matter
[13:58] <psypher246> i can d/l again
[13:58] <Milos> Yes, it matters a lot.
[13:59] <Milos> Which image did you download exactly?
[13:59] <psypher246> all the tips online point to the SD, so i really hope it's that, is says it's rare for a board with red light on to be dead
[13:59] <psypher246> debian6-19-04-2012.zip
[14:00] <Milos> Are you on Windows?
[14:00] <psypher246> no ubuntu
[14:00] <Arch1mede> psypher246: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[14:01] <Milos> Ok, well put the SD card back in and try mount the partitions somewhere, i.e. mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/rpi and then see if you can read what's inside /mnt/rpi on Ubuntu.
[14:01] <Arch1mede> id try that before pulling out your hair
[14:01] <Milos> Back into your other machine, I mean.
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[14:02] <psypher246> did a full image of the sd with DD to take my data off and then testsd a full zero write, left that to run, was going to try windows and redownloading the image tonight, failing that will try diff SD
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[14:02] <psypher246> really hope it's the SD, I live is south africa, shipping gonna take a while tio replace the board
[14:03] <Milos> I hope it isn't the board either, as that would be really unfortunate.
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[14:03] <psypher246> thanks for assistance guys will try suggestions adn report back
[14:03] <Milos> Good luck.
[14:04] <psypher246> sorry which specific image of raspbian do i d/l?
[14:04] <psypher246> Pisces Images
[14:04] <psypher246> Pisces+MATE Images
[14:04] <psypher246> Hexxeh Images
[14:04] <psypher246> any?
[14:04] <Arch1mede> get the Pisces+Mate
[14:05] <Arch1mede> BUT any will do
[14:05] <psypher246> is that MATE as in gnome 2 clone?
[14:05] <Arch1mede> however you can see if its the sd card now if you follow that link i pasted
[14:05] <Arch1mede> yes
[14:05] <psypher246> cool
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[14:06] <Arch1mede> hexxeh is over clocked
[14:06] <psypher246> oh sorry i see the link on the page now
[14:06] <psypher246> rpi_installer_06-18-12.zip.
[14:06] <Arch1mede> so you might want to stear away from that for now
[14:06] <Arch1mede> yes
[14:06] <Arch1mede> format to fat32
[14:06] <psypher246> kewl
[14:06] <Arch1mede> copy the contents
[14:06] <Arch1mede> boot
[14:06] <Arch1mede> you will see right away if its a bad board
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[14:07] <Arch1mede> and i highely doubt its a bad board
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[14:07] <Arch1mede> hi ReggieUK
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[14:08] <Arch1mede> psypher246: if you want to leave it to install it will take a couple of hours
[14:10] <psypher246> ok cool, so do i unzip the file to the fat32 sd?
[14:10] <ReggieUK> g'morning
[14:10] <Arch1mede> yes
[14:10] <psypher246> ok thought so
[14:10] <Cheery> The lib I were working on is about ready soon
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[14:10] <Cheery> except by gles part
[14:10] <sako1> running wheezy?
[14:10] <psypher246> cool will try it later when i get home
[14:10] <sako1> So anyone got some 3d gaming up yet on the PI and Debian?
[14:11] <psypher246> THANKS GUYS~!
[14:11] <Cheery> sako1: there was this iridium rising guy
[14:12] <Cheery> his game works just well
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[14:12] <sako1> Yeah had it up and running.
[14:12] <Cheery> you know what I did to the first raspberry pi I got up and running?
[14:13] <sako1> media center?
[14:13] <Cheery> nope
[14:13] <IT_Sean> micro-server?
[14:13] <frankivo> blend it?
[14:13] <Cheery> I bought an ASUS IPS panel.. was about something like 160 euros
[14:14] <Cheery> then I put it up to my bedroom
[14:14] <IT_Sean> and.... ... ?
[14:14] <Cheery> then I inserted a separate RSA key for it, that it could connect into my virtual server into IRC
[14:14] <sako1> Focus on gaming son :)
[14:15] <Cheery> I figure I'll try get some case for it sometime soon, that it'd sit behind the asus display
[14:15] <Cheery> smallest, beautiest work console I've had
[14:15] <Cheery> and quietest
[14:16] <sako1> I have to admit the PI whoops my 2 Atom mITX boxes with XBMC
[14:16] <ReggieUK> beautiest isn't a word
[14:16] <ReggieUK> or if it is it surely doesn't apply in this context
[14:17] <sako1> Tssk Reggie :) I understood
[14:17] <sako1> So being so pridefull <g>
[14:17] <IT_Sean>
[14:18] <ReggieUK> actually, it's pedantic
[14:18] <sako1> it was sarcasm!
[14:18] <ReggieUK> but meh, this conversation could go on allllll day it seems
[14:18] <ReggieUK> nope, can't have been sarcasm, there wasn't a <sarcasm>
[14:19] <sako1> ANYWAY - back to gaming. Anyone have any more suggests on FPS that should work on the PI
[14:19] <sako1> Pridefull is not a word Reggie! <sarcasm>
[14:20] <frankivo> sako1: maybe q3
[14:20] <sako1> Done that Frankie
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[14:20] <megaproxy> doom?
[14:20] <sako1> I'd love to see urban terror
[14:20] <Kasreyn> the OpenGL stuff is already working good on RPi?
[14:20] <ReggieUK> that's better sako1, although the moment was lost many lines ago
[14:20] <sako1> Doom plays well.
[14:21] <ReggieUK> doom should play well tbh
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[14:21] <ReggieUK> I got it running on a 266Mhz arm9 unit w/8MB of ram
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[14:21] <drazyltoo> hmmm, head-mounted Pi-doom rig
[14:22] <sako1> something a little more modern :)
[14:22] <Kasreyn> buy loads of SD cards. they're the modenr cartridge equivalent
[14:22] <drazyltoo> doom 2?
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[14:22] <Cheery> too bad I can't get this outside.. it's beautiful out there
[14:23] * ReggieUK wonders when people will start to use the pi to it's advantages and stop trying to shoehorn all the ponies into it?
[14:23] <sako1> Sheeesh back to Hexxan :)
[14:23] <drazyltoo> but teh poneyz are cute
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[14:23] <sako1> Hexxen
[14:24] <ReggieUK> ponies != cute
[14:25] <ReggieUK> they just look cute standing next to horses
[14:25] <drazyltoo> but they haz little bright eyez and fluffy tailz and rainbow colours!
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[14:25] <sako1> LOL
[14:26] <Cheery> ReggieUK: what are pi advantages then?
[14:26] * drazyltoo needs to get another sd card to play with riscosopen
[14:26] <drazyltoo> Cheery small, relatively powerful, very programmable, built in io interfacing
[14:26] <Cheery> drazyltoo: there were multiboot already.. shouldn't that help a bit?
[14:27] <ReggieUK> right now it's a low powered arm device
[14:27] <drazyltoo> and PONEYZ!!!!
[14:27] <sako1> Lot of my little ponies :)
[14:27] <Cheery> yeah.. that made it an always-on-desktop worktop at least here.
[14:28] <Cheery> well.. another reason is that I'm programming raspberryish things on it. :D
[14:28] <ReggieUK> desktop is misleading though
[14:28] <Cheery> okay. work console
[14:28] <Cheery> :P
[14:28] <sako1> Cheery start porting some games then :P :)
[14:28] <Cheery> sako1: why do something entirely useless and such that ppl can do better and faster on other systems already?
[14:29] <ReggieUK> it can do similar stuff to a full blown desktop but not even close to being a full blown PC
[14:29] <drazyltoo> because it's there
[14:29] <Cheery> I'm using it to discover better ways to do things. :)
[14:30] <drazyltoo> I'm using mine to weigh down an ethernet cable so I don't lose it
[14:30] <Cheery> it might be cool idea to port some games.. esp. old emulators on this thing
[14:30] <sako1> lol
[14:30] <ReggieUK> don't get me wrong, I totally get the 'because we can' idea and there's nothing wrong with that
[14:31] <CruX|> Cheery: dosbox ?
[14:31] <ReggieUK> not dissing anyone for doing whatever they're doing on the pi
[14:31] <drazyltoo> why we gonna port games like that, because we want to, because we want to
[14:31] <CruX|> or scummvm ?
[14:31] <sako1> I'm using because now in my late 30's - CTO of a large firm - I miss getting my hands dirty.
[14:31] <ReggieUK> I'd just like to see more original projects that the pi could do really well
[14:31] <Cheery> CruX|: I'm thinking more like snes
[14:32] <zutto> ReggieUK: just be patient, there will be alot of them in near future
[14:32] <ReggieUK> ssilver2k got advmame working, and a neo-geo emulator
[14:33] <sako1> puppies. I remember my first ZX80, Vic20 oh the fun.
[14:33] <ReggieUK> I never had a z80/vic20, my first was a bbc model b
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[14:33] <ReggieUK> zx80*
[14:33] <sako1> loved my Beeb. :)
[14:33] <ReggieUK> my dad had a sinclair calculator that he had to build himself
[14:33] <sako1> Yes Reg ZX80...
[14:34] <ReggieUK> I Was correcting my typo
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[14:34] <sako1> with the same typo? :)
[14:35] <sako1> I still have fond memories of my acorn before I got the model B
[14:35] <ReggieUK> care to read that again?
[14:35] <ReggieUK> [13:31] <@ReggieUK> I never had a z80/vic20, my first was a bbc model b
[14:35] <ReggieUK> [13:31] <@ReggieUK> zx80*
[14:36] <three14> anyone ever have a Tandy PC? (like Tandy 1000)
[14:36] <ReggieUK> yuk
[14:36] <ReggieUK> my dad had what they referred to as a 'trash-80' at work
[14:36] <three14> DeskMate, ftw. haha
[14:37] <three14> ah, the trs-80
[14:37] <sako1> sheesh I must be getting old. I've not used IRC since 1999. sorry If Ive missed something
[14:37] <three14> still not as trashy as the tandy 1000 i had
[14:37] <ReggieUK> my dad used to work for centronics
[14:37] <sako1> trs-80. My first program in dixons :)
[14:37] <three14> deskmate was made for the trs80, iirc
[14:38] <three14> using trs-dos
[14:38] <WASDx> You just have to dd the .img file onto the SD card to get it working, right?
[14:38] <ReggieUK> WASDx, yes
[14:38] <WASDx> thanks
[14:38] <Cheery> all right
[14:39] <ReggieUK> dd bs=1M if=/the/image.img of=/dev/sdcard
[14:39] <Cheery> now I should switch computers if I'd like to show this.
[14:39] <WASDx> yep i know the command
[14:39] <three14> speaking of DOS, anyone try DOSBox on the pi?
[14:39] <sako1> is it ported?
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[14:39] <WASDx> didn't think about using bs=1M though
[14:40] <ReggieUK> the of sdcard name will be either mmcblkp0 or s something depending on how your card reader is seen by the underlying os
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[14:40] <Veryevil> Gadgetoid: Hey, how do you get the blog index section to work?
[14:40] <Cheery> I guess I have to start x on this.. to get this thing shown
[14:40] <ReggieUK> mmcblk0 even
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[14:43] <WASDx> ReggieUK: I guessed it would be /dev/sdc or something. But I'll just check dmesg when I do it
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[14:44] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/bUt7oTjnzuU5EC2Rwy1s/
[14:45] <Cheery> going to add the shared buffers -concept to that about soon
[14:45] * OsakaFoo scared himself by getting too excited about completing an item on his list
[14:45] <three14> Cheery, i take it you got the Pi working. What was wrong?
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[14:46] <Cheery> three14: it was faulty USB controller most likely
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[14:46] <Cheery> or then it broke when I dropped it on floor
[14:46] <Cheery> who knows
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[14:46] <three14> Cheery, that sucks. were you able to continue using the Pi, or did you order another?
[14:47] <Cheery> three14: I got my second order from farnell a day after
[14:47] <three14> Cheery, I imagine you were relieved when the second one worked. haha.
[14:48] <Cheery> what do you think about the thing I wrote?
[14:48] <Cheery> it's quite clear isn't it?
[14:48] <Cheery> all the dispmanx stuff is in display.fullscreen()
[14:48] <Cheery> it's not supposed to be perfect or correct, just clean
[14:49] <three14> i didn't see a problem with it, personally. i haven't tried doing anything on the pi aside from a few shell scripts.
[14:50] <Cheery> ok
[14:50] <Cheery> I'll try get this done then. :) going to publish it afternoon
[14:50] <three14> be sure to link me to it
[14:51] <Cheery> it should be the python-example of that compositing thing shirro packaged
[14:51] <Cheery> should make it slightly more interesting though
[14:51] <Cheery> I consider about doing some input grabbing examples too
[14:52] <three14> i'd like to get this 4 character 7seg display working over i2c. if not that, a ds1307 rtc. no clue when it'll be, everytime i sit down to do something i am interrupted.
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[14:53] <bubu\a> people runnign wireless usb dongles ok from raspi? rtl8187 particularly ..?
[14:53] <Cheery> alright.. hmm.
[14:54] <Cheery> I don't remember how my things went.
[14:54] <three14> bubu\a, it's a mixed bag so far. i advise you to use a powered hub. if you still have trouble you may need to compile the driver yourself.
[14:55] <OllieMorfik> damn i need a new computer to build images
[14:55] <bubu\a> hmm
[14:55] <OllieMorfik> my stuff is too slow
[14:55] <bubu\a> looking to use for rasbmc
[14:55] <nidO> bubu\a: most nano adaptors should work perfectly fine
[14:56] <Cheery> looks like it works well without powered hub
[14:56] <Cheery> but when you connect mouse, it seems to cut the mouse at times
[14:56] <bubu\a> its an awus036h alfa adapter using the realtek rtkl 8187 chipset
[14:57] <three14> if it starts acting up and giving you problems once it's working, i'd try it with a powerted hub
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[14:57] <bubu\a> yeh just reading that Cheery
[14:57] <bubu\a> wont really need a mouse + wifi dongnle atatched once it is setup I hope
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[14:57] <Pitel_Pi> bubu\a: I can't get rtl8188cus to work :(
[14:57] <bubu\a> just wifi
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[14:58] <bubu\a> Pitel_Pi, you using any other USB's?
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[14:58] <Pitel_Pi> I tried just some cheap unpoerered usb hub
[14:58] <bubu\a> needs to be powered thats for sure
[14:58] <Pitel_Pi> yeah, probably
[14:59] <Pitel_Pi> but even if I tired just the dongle (no keyboard or mouse) and configure it through usb, I get no luck. It was vidible in ifconfig and iwconfig, bu I couldn't connect to my network
[14:59] <bubu\a> what if you just have dongle plugged in and nothing else using usb, no mouse keyboard etc ...?
[14:59] <three14> Pitel_Pi, you need to compile the driver so it's compatible with your current kernel. myself and arthurdent had the same problem. he discovered that it started to work fine after compilation. i can verify his findings.
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[15:00] <bubu\a> three14, so need to get the realtek source driver
[15:00] <Pitel_Pi> three14: any tutorial abot that?
[15:00] <bubu\a> and compile on raspi?
[15:00] <nidO> bubu\a: there's a compiled module kicking about
[15:00] <nidO> that works fine
[15:00] <bubu\a> oooooo
[15:00] <bubu\a> any idea where? :)
[15:00] <three14> Pitel_Pi, not that I know of off hand, but there are at least threee forum posts regarding that chipset (which arthurdent and I have as well)
[15:01] <three14> nid0, did someone compile a new module and post it after the last kernel update, because three days ago there was a working one, but after rpi-update it no longer worked.
[15:02] <Pitel_Pi> three14: I know about one, with some script to do the magic. But it mess up sources.list and some other files. :(
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[15:03] <Pitel_Pi> any idea why my numlock led randomly turns off?
[15:03] <nidO> three14 no idea if there's been an updated kernel, i've been using my own kernel with the rtl8188 driver directly compiled in for a while
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[15:03] <Pitel_Pi> but the nuplad seems to continue working
[15:03] <nidO> three14: did you make sure you actually reloaded the module?
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[15:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> Pitel_Pi - what does sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog& say
[15:04] <three14> nid0, yes, even started anew.
[15:04] <three14> nid0, didn't work until i compiled it myself. not a problem, but i don't feel like doing it every time i rpi-update
[15:05] <nidO> tbh, whoever's handling the distro's kernel should really include that driver by default, its the chipset like 90% of pi owners seem to be using
[15:06] <bubu\a> ye
[15:06] <three14> nid0, a thread on the forums suggested the same thing 2 days ago. apparently they were going to ask if it could also be compiled along with the kernel. it's a huge pain
[15:07] <bubu\a> hopefully by the time i actualy get my raspi in 8-9 weeks there would have been progress with the RTL chipsets
[15:07] <nidO> no reason why not, its what I did on like day 2 of my pi ownership, built a few things I needed into my kernels including the driver
[15:07] <OllieMorfik> just build a kernel :P
[15:08] <Pitel_Pi> what is the command to show all avalable wifi entworks?
[15:09] <OllieMorfik> iwlist scan
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[15:11] <OllieMorfik> im going to have to locate ~80$ to buy a cheap refurbed computer to turn into a build host cause none of my computers are up to the task these days
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[15:14] <OllieMorfik> :(
[15:14] <D-side> wow
[15:14] <D-side> thtas
[15:15] <D-side> an $80 build box is going to be pretty... not-speedy
[15:15] <D-side> how bad are your other computers?
[15:15] <dwatkins> depends on the refurb, D-side
[15:15] <OllieMorfik> im looking at some right now 2.8ghz 1g ram for 80$
[15:15] <dwatkins> Dell's outlet sometimes have some really good deals, not sure about that cheap, though.
[15:15] <D-side> dwatkins: for $80, it's still slow
[15:15] <dwatkins> D-side: depends on your definition of slow ;)
[15:16] <D-side> dwatkins: i complain about how long it takes openelec to build on my i7 w/ 16gb ram
[15:16] <D-side> sl
[15:16] <OllieMorfik> "wont play deus ex human revolution" ergo its slow
[15:16] <D-side> so.
[15:16] * Gadgetoid pokes megaproxy
[15:16] <megaproxy> o/
[15:16] <OllieMorfik> :P
[15:16] <megaproxy> sup buddy
[15:16] <Gadgetoid> Haha, I.T. director has moved a personal site to vida for testing ;)
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[15:16] <megaproxy> ooooh
[15:17] <megaproxy> let me know if you have any issues etc :D
[15:17] <Gadgetoid> Go demand some commission or something!
[15:17] <lee> vida?
[15:17] <megaproxy> vidahost
[15:17] <Gadgetoid> Seems to be working out well thus far, easy to set up, abstracts away all the server management bollocks
[15:17] <lee> ick
[15:17] <lee> cpanel is a bug, not a feature :P
[15:17] <Gadgetoid> Just cloud enough
[15:17] <megaproxy> :P
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[15:18] <megaproxy> we built that control panel ourselves :D
[15:18] <Gadgetoid> lee: cpanel is the fail, but vida's control panel is nice
[15:18] <D-side> cpanel :(
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[15:18] <zutto> vida
[15:18] <zutto> lol
[15:18] <Gadgetoid> The C stands for Carp
[15:18] <megaproxy> vida = life
[15:18] <megaproxy> hosting for life :D
[15:18] <megaproxy> https://www.vidahost.com/cloud/
[15:18] <Gadgetoid> Livvin' da vida loca?
[15:19] <lee> I use bytemark for all my hosting, for hosting clients you can install their symbiosis debian packages, makes setting up a website/email/dns/ftp as easy as creating a directory/text file
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[15:20] <zutto> i just have few OVH's dedis for all my hosting needs ;|
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[15:20] <Gadgetoid> we're moving away from dedi where we can, sometimes that require rewriting data crunching into a more parallel process, though, which is not likely to happen fast
[15:21] <megaproxy> im about to sell the cloud to another person now!
[15:21] <megaproxy> teehee
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[15:21] <lee> they have a cloudy vm solution in beta too, bigv.io, which is pretty cool, though I haven't played with it beyond setting up a couple and leaving them to run
[15:21] <Gadgetoid> And this, gentlemen, is why "doss" is really "work"
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[15:23] <tech2077> anyone else willing to test out my library
[15:24] <zutto> what kind of library?
[15:25] <dwatkins> does it have a canteen?
[15:26] <drazyltoo> is there a childrens section?
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[15:27] <tech2077> yes
[15:27] <frankivo> will there be a candy mountain?
[15:27] <tech2077> that too
[15:27] <Gadgetoid> Interesting: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/serial-vga
[15:27] <frankivo> tech2077: you got me
[15:27] <tech2077> https://gist.github.com/2962884
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[15:27] <Gadgetoid> It's not exactly a full-on VGA video output, but it would allow for some nice things over VGA
[15:27] <tech2077> hd44780 i2c library for controlling over a i2c port expander
[15:28] <dwatkins> that reminds me, I was considering getting a y-box: http://www.ladyada.net/make/ybox2/
[15:29] <D-side> so i've been trying to mount openelec's squashfs image under debian
[15:29] <D-side> x86, clearly
[15:29] <D-side> the image is little endian. is that just not going to work?
[15:29] <IT_Sean> !w
[15:29] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton Township, NJ on Fri Jun 22 16:53:00 2012. Temp 83??F. Condition: Haze, Humidity: 60%, Later 90??F - 64??F. Condition: Thunderstorm.
[15:29] <tech2077> dwatkins, you can, propeller gcc is in beta now
[15:30] <tech2077> so parallax is actually doing something great
[15:30] <_Lucretia_> !w
[15:30] <megaproxy> oooh heres something i forgot to ask
[15:30] <dwatkins> tech2077: I don't know what that is, havn't really investigated the y-box yet
[15:30] <megaproxy> in openelec
[15:30] <megaproxy> how do i run the rpi update?
[15:30] <D-side> wait
[15:30] <megaproxy> to get new firmwares
[15:30] <D-side> who's in boonton
[15:30] <three14> The Situation
[15:30] <dwatkins> tech2077: ah I see, it's mentioned on that page
[15:30] <D-side> three14: hope
[15:30] <D-side> er
[15:30] <D-side> three14: nope
[15:31] <D-side> three14: that's faaaaaaaaaaaaar from where that guy is
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[15:32] <three14> tech2077, does one need an i2c port expander to test your lib?
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[15:33] <tech2077> three14, yeah
[15:33] <three14> tech2077, if i ever get the time, i'd like to get this 4digit 7seg display working over i2c on the pi.
[15:33] <three14> damnit
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[15:33] <three14> i suppose i can order some
[15:33] <Pitel> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ iwlist wlan0 scan
[15:33] <Pitel> wlan0 No scan results
[15:33] <Pitel> any idea why?
[15:33] <Pitel> there is plenty of networks around
[15:34] <tech2077> three14, next is getting a oled working over spi
[15:34] <tech2077> which will be easier since there are some pieces of code and font tables floating around
[15:34] <Pitel> also, during boot i got couple of dhcpdiscover messages, but it couldn't get a lease
[15:35] <tech2077> i also should get more i2c devices
[15:36] <three14> they're pretty versitile. i'm a fan of these: http://www.adafruit.com/products/878
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[15:38] <Gadget-Mac> tech2077: Are you going thru the kernel driver for i2c / spi ?
[15:38] <three14> tech2077, saves so much time and space with these backpacks.
[15:38] <three14> physical space*
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[15:39] <tech2077> three14, yep
[15:39] <tech2077> but this is what i had, and i assume for some people it's the same
[15:39] <tech2077> Gadget-Mac, lovely userspace driver with smbus python module
[15:40] <three14> any libs for i2c/spi would help people immensely. the Pi community seems to be growing at a near exponential rate.
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[15:42] <ter0_> hi guys
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[15:45] <ter0_> why doesn't omxplayer work in new wheezy? :(
[15:45] <ter0_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc6BogTflyo
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[15:45] <tech2077> three14, i'm actually in a bet with someone that i can get on hackaday if i make a pretty blog post about the library
[15:45] <Pitel> ter0_: works for me, it;s alroeady part of the beta image
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[15:45] <tech2077> since so few useful rpi things have come out
[15:46] <ter0_> this is so weird
[15:46] <three14> tech2077, i won't bet against you. haha, but be prepared for the comment trolls to come out of the woodwork if you do. i hate hackaday comments.
[15:46] <ter0_> i have a debian squeeze on some sd card
[15:46] <ter0_> that official from the site
[15:46] <ter0_> and there I installed it
[15:46] <ter0_> and it works
[15:46] <ter0_> so I tried this new version
[15:46] <tech2077> three14, thats the thing, i don't care, it's just a bet, i get money, and make a great library :D
[15:46] <ter0_> but here it doesn't work
[15:46] <ter0_> any ideas?
[15:47] <frankivo> check the log
[15:47] <three14> tech2077, go for it. i'll retweet it and link people to it. just be sure to get adsense up and going beforehand. :-)
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[15:48] <Gadget-Mac> analytics live is good when things hit twitter :)
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[15:54] <dmsuse> i have this 12v to 240v inverter and it has a switch on the front to turn it on, could the 2 wires connecting to the switch be connected to the gpio's and the pi turn it on?
[15:54] <Crenn-NAS> On my RPi, irssi starts in screen automatically at boot
[15:54] <three14> dmsuse, no
[15:55] <dmsuse> no?
[15:55] <three14> dmsuse, use a reed relay or plain old relay, you'll need to drive the relay with a transistor and toss a diode on the relay for protection
[15:56] <dmsuse> ok thanks
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[15:57] <odeckmyn> hi everyone
[15:57] <dmsuse> hi
[15:58] <odeckmyn> what Wifi dongle is recommended ? I mean easy drivers, and if possible no external Hub
[15:58] <odeckmyn> (i've read the Wiki, but none is _recommended_ i've only found a raw list)
[15:58] <bionicRobot> does the video on the pi just go to black or does it shutdown the circuit.
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[15:58] <bionicRobot> I woke up this morning to find the TV still on.
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[15:59] <dmsuse> odeckmyn: the list should show those which do not require additional software
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[15:59] <bionicRobot> It was blank, but black. video out never shut down so nobody knew it was still on when we went to bed
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[16:00] <odeckmyn> dmsuse: yes - I was just wondering what you guys would recommend to use
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[16:00] <Cheery> hey ppl
[16:00] <Cheery> BSD or MIT license?
[16:00] <dmsuse> well i recently bought 1 on ebay, but have not had time to test it yet
[16:00] <odeckmyn> :)
[16:00] <odeckmyn> which one did you choose ?
[16:01] <dmsuse> well i don't want to tell you incase i got it wrong :P
[16:01] <Cheery> subject: graphics library which lets you get fullscreen graphics context and shared pixbuffers
[16:01] <odeckmyn> I won't sue you :) I swear :)
[16:01] <mjr> the (MIT) X11 license is less ambiguous, since there are many versions of the BSD. (If you go with BSD, go with the 2-clause or at most 3-clause one)
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[16:02] <three14> DHL just called to make sure I'd be home. The second Pi will arrive today from RS.
[16:02] <mjr> Also Apache 2 license is a relatively nice non-copyleft license. It has patent-disarming language that the BSDs lack (though of course you may disagree with disarming patents, in which case don't use it)
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[16:03] <dmsuse> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130668590798?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[16:03] <_Tomi_> Hi can haelp me a compile omxplayer ?
[16:03] <_Tomi_> a error is /usr/bin/ld: error: linux/XMemUtils.o uses VFP register arguments, omxplayer.bin does not
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[16:10] <Trieste> Hey, what exactly is that "rootfs" mounted on /? I wanted to set read/write permissions for all users for a certain folder (/mnt), but if I just chmod 777 /mnt, nothing changes
[16:10] <Trieste> in the default debian image, I should add
[16:10] <odeckmyn> thx dmsuse
[16:13] <ter0_> um guys does omxplayer that is in wheezy works for you?
[16:13] <ter0_> i don't get any video
[16:13] <frankivo> ter0_: did you check the log?
[16:13] <frankivo> you probably need more memory
[16:13] <frankivo> or rights
[16:13] <ter0_> but I manually install .deb in debian6-19-04-2012 and there it works
[16:13] <ter0_> same file
[16:14] <ter0_> video does not work with only 32MB for video?
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[16:14] <frankivo> needs at least 64m
[16:14] <ter0_> oh---
[16:14] <ter0_> i didn't now that
[16:14] <ter0_> :)
[16:14] <frankivo> :)
[16:14] <ter0_> thanx
[16:14] <ter0_> let me change that
[16:14] * frankivo has had the same problem
[16:15] <bionicRobot> where can I get the debian wheezy image?
[16:15] <bionicRobot> or can I do an upgrade from the squeeze?
[16:15] <three14> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/debian/7/2012-06-18-wheezy-beta.zip.torrent
[16:15] <bionicRobot> merci thee14
[16:15] <ter0_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435
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[16:16] <ter0_> this raspi-config is awesome :)
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[16:16] <Milos> ter0_, uname -a
[16:16] <Milos> ter0_, what kernel?
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[16:18] <ter0_> ?
[16:18] <Milos> What kernel are you running.
[16:18] <ter0_> Milos I allready solve the problem
[16:18] <Milos> Yes, but what kernel are you running? :|
[16:18] <frankivo> :P
[16:19] <ter0_> well that is the default kernel in wheezy? :)
[16:20] <Milos> I don't know what the default is, but don't worry.
[16:20] <ter0_> 3.1.9+
[16:20] <Milos> Right, thanks.
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[16:23] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: this could be awesome for driving an auxiliary VGA display from just the Pi's TX pin: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/serial-vga - I can't stop thinking of 10 Rogue
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Ah, it's a propellor chip.
[16:27] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yeah, you can program the propellor, too, if you're so inclined
[16:27] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Know much about the propellor?
[16:27] <ter0_> hmm
[16:27] <ter0_> 802.11g is not fast enough for 1080p ? :(
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Not much, but I looked into this a while back: http://www.xgamestation.com/view_product.php?id=51
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, if you want additional composite video output, then you could use an ardugame unit and talk to it via serial/parallel, or a fignition device ...
[16:29] <Milos> ter0_, yes, that's too slow.
[16:29] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: That's an interesting concept, and exactly what I mentioned to the Hobbytronics guys- the Propellor could do a lot more for the ATMega than just VGA-output surely, using the TX line to send back sprite positions and perhaps even collision
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[16:30] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, my basic supports sprites .. but I've not impoemented colission detection yet...
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[16:32] <bionicRobot> ter0_, you mean uncompressed 1080p? yeah no go. most of my videos are 3-8Mbps and work fine
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, the manual is 268 pages long )-:
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[16:33] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: ???. eeep
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[16:34] <ter0_> bionicRobot well i have a video in .mkv from piratebay :)
[16:34] <ter0_> and i tried it running from a windows machine over a network
[16:34] <three14> we probably don't want to discuss piracy here.
[16:35] <ter0_> and it plays a few seconds, stops and again plays
[16:35] <ter0_> so my first guess is that wifi is to slow
[16:35] <bionicRobot> the standard isn't that slow. but yes "your" wifi may be slow
[16:36] <IT_Sean> Where are you storing your legitimately acquired video files?
[16:36] <ter0_> well my router is 20cm away...
[16:36] <bionicRobot> around dinner time mine slows to a crawl as every AP in the neighborhood lights up
[16:36] <IT_Sean> On a NAS / server? or a USB connected HD?
[16:36] <ter0_> IT_Sean on a windows 7 pc
[16:36] <IT_Sean> You are probably saturating the network interface or the USB bus
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[16:37] <bionicRobot> you may be too close
[16:37] <bionicRobot> try a few more feet (or meters)
[16:37] <ter0_> so if I had a 802.11n router it won't solve my problem?
[16:37] <IT_Sean> That too
[16:37] <bionicRobot> if you have 5GHz on both sides then yes
[16:38] <IT_Sean> Is your dongle n-capable?
[16:38] <ter0_> yes
[16:38] <ter0_> it has some realtek chipset
[16:38] <IT_Sean> Then having an n router may help
[16:38] <IT_Sean> But, also try moving it a few feet away from the router
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> 802.11g can xfer at a max speed of some 19Mb/sec in ideal conditions.
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> lots of things make it non-ideal though )-:
[16:40] <bionicRobot> and bluray is 25Mbps
[16:41] <bionicRobot> The biggest problem is the ubiquity of 54g APs
[16:41] <ovim> ter0_: how many wifis are around your area?
[16:41] <bionicRobot> they're are all on the same 3 channels and everyone is scrambling for bandwidth
[16:42] <IT_Sean> ter0_: make sure your router is operating on a channel as far away from the surrounding networks as is possible.
[16:42] <three14> could you not also increase the buffer size of whatever you're using to play the video?
[16:43] <ReggieUK> hexxeh got a mention on hackaday :)
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> buffering only delays the inevitable if the underlying transport isn't fast enough..
[16:43] <ReggieUK> http://hackaday.com/2012/06/22/bringing-chromium-to-the-raspberry-pi/
[16:43] <ReggieUK> hi gordonDrogon
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> hi ReggieUK
[16:43] <three14> ReggieUK, nice.
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> right. back to the kitchen I go... more cooking!
[16:44] <three14> more bread, gordonDrogon?
[16:44] <ter0_> ok i guess that 802.11g is to slow
[16:44] <ter0_> i tried my usb wifi card on a windows pc
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Make me a sandwich while you are in there, gordonDrogon!
[16:44] <ter0_> and everything else
[16:44] <ter0_> the same
[16:44] <three14> IT_Sean, it's fresh bread, too.
[16:45] <ter0_> um btw
[16:45] <ter0_> anyone playing with the gpio ports?
[16:45] <ter0_> i have some idea but not sure how can I do this in sofware
[16:46] <bionicRobot> whats the deal on the Gertboard? I'm looking for a motor driver
[16:46] <ter0_> I want that when I put logical 1 (3,3V) on some gpio port r-pi would do some command in bash
[16:46] <ter0_> is this possible?
[16:47] <reider59> I`m playing with the GPIO ports but only a learner
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> not baking today, cooking. just done a large chilli CC, next up is chicken masalla, thai fishcakes and a bit frittata. (tomorow though, they don't keep that well)
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> ter0_, yes.
[16:48] <OllieMorfik> 8o
[16:48] <JMNUTS> me too starting with gpio, and following this toturial: http://lwk.mjhosting.co.uk/?p=343
[16:48] <three14> Mmm, chicken marsalla. we should raid gordonDrogon's house unannounced.
[16:48] <reider59> I`m debating a chefs special from Jenerics, just up the road, tomorrow
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/gpio-examples-1-a-single-led/
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> doing some Pi GPIO examples there, but not tidied it up yet...
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> that'll take you through a simple set of LEDs and a button - programming it is next.
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[16:50] <gordonDrogon> bionicRobot, AIUI, gertboard has a single motor driver on-board...
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> bionicRobot, I've done something very similar here: http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg the motor driving the fan is speed controlled via PWM on the GPIO pin that does PWM via one of the H bridge driver chips.
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> bionicRobot, downside is that there is only one PWM output on the Pi....
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[16:52] <gordonDrogon> right really to the kitchen now!
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> laters...
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[16:52] <bionicRobot> cheers gordondrogon
[16:53] <three14> bionicRobot, you might be able to expand that single pwm pin with a tlc5940, i think.
[16:54] <three14> i can't be sure, but i think people have used them to drive motors/motor drivers.
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[16:57] <ReggieUK> the tlc is a led driver though isn't it
[16:57] <ReggieUK> with dot correction and stuff
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[16:58] <bionicRobot> doesn't seem to handle a lot of current
[16:58] <bionicRobot> 120mA
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[16:59] <ReggieUK> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlc5940.pdf
[16:59] <ReggieUK> might be able to use it to drive some transistors
[16:59] <ReggieUK> but then what's the point
[16:59] <bionicRobot> ahh, I see it can drive servos
[17:00] <ReggieUK> might as well ditch the tlc altogether and just use transistors to drive your circuit
[17:00] <ReggieUK> or a real motor driver
[17:00] <ReggieUK> uln2003 would be fine
[17:01] <bionicRobot> ReggieUK, what's a good driver or to use?
[17:01] <ReggieUK> or an l293
[17:01] <ReggieUK> it really depends on what you wan to drive
[17:01] <bionicRobot> I have a bunch of motors from those cheap 3ch helicopters
[17:02] <ReggieUK> doesn't really tell me too much :D
[17:02] <three14> or how many things, i only suggested the tlc5940 to give you more pwn outputs, from those you could drive h-bridges, same chip ReggieUK suggested.
[17:02] <ReggieUK> the best thing to do is decide what you want to do with them, then investigate some more
[17:02] <three14> ^ this
[17:03] <bionicRobot> I don't know much about them myself, low voltage and high torque. it's not like the chinese are stamping them undercarriage with schematics these days
[17:03] <ReggieUK> if it's robotics, trawl the robotics sites for recommended drivers
[17:03] <ReggieUK> if it's quads, do the same
[17:04] <ReggieUK> if it's driving a stepper motor there are easy ways to get things done but might not be best suited to the end result
[17:04] <bionicRobot> trying to get my little one into programming
[17:04] <three14> it also depends on how many steps of pwm you need. i know the tlc5940 has 4096 steps, whereas something like arduino only has 256 steps. not sure how many steps the pwm pin on the Pi has.
[17:04] <ReggieUK> driving a stepper motor to turn a webcam around is not the same as driving the X axis on a homebuilt cnc router for instance
[17:04] <bionicRobot> basically what gordonDrogon has. switch on GPIO 0: light LED, turn a motor
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[17:08] <bionicRobot> Maybe something like this http://www.robotpower.com/products/wasp_info.html
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[17:13] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Bring on the Ruby :D
[17:13] <Gadgetoid> I should really do my own set of WiringPi + Ruby basic GPIO examples??? my binary clock is a bit much
[17:13] <Kripton> Hi there. bootc are you around? I'm trying to use the I2C-driver from "https://github.com/bootc/linux/tree/rpi-i2cspi/drivers/i2c" but I don't get the /dev/i2c-0 node. (and CONFIG_I2C_CHARDEV=y). Is there some parameter I have to pass or uncomment s.th.?
[17:14] <Trieste> Hey, what exactly is that "rootfs" mounted on / in the default debian image? I wanted to set read/write permissions for all users for a certain folder (/mnt), but if I just chmod 777 /mnt, nothing changes
[17:16] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I don't know how viable it is, but it would be nice to package wiringPi up into a Ruby gem, having to install SWIG and compile it up manually is a bit of a barrier
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[17:31] * gordonDrogon waves. Things simmering away nicely now.
[17:32] <Cheery> had to restart my pi, because it couldn't get display size anymore
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> the Pi's PWM is variable. The way I set it up in wiringPi uses a 10-bit counter, so 1024 steps.
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[17:34] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I don't think i've even read a Ruby program let alone packaged some C for code for one...
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[17:34] <_inc> ruby is quite simple
[17:35] <_inc> would be very good for children to get into programming in my opinion
[17:35] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'll find a way, and run the result by you
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> when I get time (hah!) I want to give the 'gpio' program I write the ability to do the /sys/class/gpio exports too - should be OK as it's set-uid..
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> although I notice someone on the forums simply putting a chmod/chown in /etc/rc.local for it!
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> bionicRobot, those motors used in modern RC stuff are stupidly weird IMO... I did a lot of research last year into them.
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[17:38] <gordonDrogon> bionicRobot, so they're brushless CD motors - a bit like stepper motors, so you need posh driver boards and these board either take standard RC PWM (decoded from PPM), or some of them take I2C (arguably for a faster response)
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> however the motors on the really cheap/small ones might just be brushed DC motors - hard to know.
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> brushed DC motors can be speed controlled via PWM.
[17:39] <bionicRobot> I think they are brushless.
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> modern "digital" radio control is the stupidest of stupidest of setups - all because they wanted to keep bakwards compatability with no-one daring to venture out to change the standards (from what I could see of it)
[17:40] <bionicRobot> its really just a shiny metal cylinder. no markings or anything
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> how many wires?
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[17:40] <bionicRobot> 2, red/black
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> that's brushed. Or it has an internal PIC chip to control it - unlikely.
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> so you control by varying voltage or PWM.
[17:41] <bionicRobot> yes exactly.
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> the brusheless ones would have 4 wires.
[17:42] <bionicRobot> ahh. not sure what brushless was. I assumed 4-wire was PWM
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> it's more like a stepper motor.
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[17:43] <gordonDrogon> so controlling one will be easy - controlling more than one might be harder!
[17:43] <bootc> Kripton: modprobe i2c-dev
[17:44] <bionicRobot> well I've got all summer to figure out the rest
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> you could use an ATmega chip which has about 7 PWM outputs, then send high-level commands to the ATmega.
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> are you actually trying to get something to fly, or just walk a robot?
[17:44] <bionicRobot> just walk
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> not balance?
[17:45] <bootc> Kripton: oh your have CHARDEV=y, I take it you actually have CONFIG_I2C_BCM2708=y|m and the module loaded if =n
[17:45] <bionicRobot> no, more like roll
[17:45] <bionicRobot> or walk on 4 legs
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> thats ok then :)
[17:45] <bionicRobot> I have one of those wooden robot walkers.
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> Linux isn't suitable in it's standard format for the real-time control needed to balance or fly...
[17:45] <bionicRobot> any don't intend to use it as such
[17:46] <bionicRobot> I've got a box of MSP430s that are much more nimble for that
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[17:46] <gordonDrogon> 8-bit ATmegas are fine to fly octocopters...
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> you don't need much more.
[17:47] <bionicRobot> crazy, these hobby kits are expensive
[17:48] <bionicRobot> want a box of wires and some resistors? that'll be 50 bucks
[17:48] <IT_Sean> O_o
[17:49] <bionicRobot> gordonDrogon, thanks for the recommendations.
[17:49] <bionicRobot> I'm off the get juniorRobot
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> $50 is a lot... I suspect you're buying from the wrong place :)
[17:50] <bionicRobot> I was being facetious, but it's not far from the truth either
[17:50] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[17:50] <IT_Sean> It shouldn't be anywhere near that much
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[17:51] <gordonDrogon> I need to build up my toy fund a bit more...
[17:51] <nemo> So there was a discussion on here in the past about reliability of SD cards
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[17:51] <nemo> And I was thinking, buying a boxed card from a big distributor should be pretty safe.
[17:51] <nemo> welll
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> the cooking might help... Thursdays job is 25 people at ?6 a head...
[17:51] <nemo> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918
[17:51] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Me too :(
[17:51] <nemo> (old article I just ran into)
[17:51] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: must??? build??? more??? websites!
[17:52] <_inc> Gadgetoid: blog more, get sent free stuff :)
[17:52] <Gadgetoid> _inc: true, I'm working on that
[17:52] <Kripton> bootc, was having dinner. I have CONFIG_I2C_BCM2708=y and the I2C-debugging stuff turned on but the driver ain't really chatty
[17:52] <Gadgetoid> My interests are so fickle and fleeting, though, it's a royal pain!
[17:53] <Kripton> bootc, I think that maybe I have to tell the driver which of the two I2C-busses I want to use?
[17:53] <Gadgetoid> I'll have to knuckle down and prepare some good Ruby-orientated guides and resources, as just tinkering and blogging isn't exactly making a decent community contribution
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> nemo that article seems to suggest that Kingston deliberatly supplied 'fake' SD cards!
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> cooking is fun, but I need to find someone who wants the odd little programming job done - preferably on some nice embedded controller in C ...
[17:56] <Kripton> bootc, ah I see now that I have "CONFIG_BCM2708_GPIO=y". Maybe that conflicts?
[17:57] <bootc> Kripton: no, the GPIO is separate from the I2C
[17:57] <bootc> Kripton: can you pastebin your dmesg somewhere?
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[17:59] <Kripton> bootc, sure: http://dpaste.com/762422/
[18:00] <nemo> gordonDrogon: "Very low serial numbers, like very low MAC ID addresses, are a hallmark of the ???ghost shift???, i.e. the shift that happens very late at night when a rouge worker enters the factory and runs the production machine off the books. Significantly, ghost shifts are often run using marginal material that would normally be disposed of but were intercepted on the way to the grinder. As a result, the markings and characteristics of
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[18:00] <bootc> Kripton: there's no sign of the i2c busses getting detected at all there
[18:00] <Kripton> bootc, I should note that I used the kernel source from "https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux" and patched the I2C-driver from your branch manually since the kernel from rpi-linear didn't boot at all
[18:00] <bootc> ah, 3.1.9, fun :-/
[18:00] <nemo> gordonDrogon: goes on to mention production of fakes in china
[18:00] <Kripton> bootc, true but the driver is loaded
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[18:01] <bootc> you're probably missing the platform device definitions then
[18:01] <Kripton> in arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/bcm2708.c? The BSC*-stuff is in
[18:01] <Kripton> but maybe I'll just try one of your branches again
[18:02] <Kripton> Which one do you recommend? rpi-linear? rpi-3.2.20?
[18:03] <alyosha_sql> anyone tried to install openElec on sdcard? i tried and i get same error allways...it can't make partitions on sdcard because it's mounted
[18:03] <alyosha_sql> i'm not sure how should i make this
[18:05] <_inc> how would one find a good lasercutting service sans hackerspace
[18:05] <alyosha_sql> got it
[18:05] <alyosha_sql> it works
[18:05] <nemo> gordonDrogon: "This tells me that Kingston must be crushed when it comes to margin, which may explain why irregular cards are finding their way into their supply chain. Kingston is also probably more willing to talk to smaller accounts like me because as a channel brand they can???t compete against OEMs like Sandisk or Samsung for the biggest contracts from the likes of Nokia or RIMM."
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[18:05] <nemo> "Effectively, Kingston is just a channel trader and is probably seen by SanDisk/Toshiba as a demand buffer for their production output."
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[18:12] <_inc> just found i have a local hackspace but it's still very new
[18:12] <_inc> just standard bench equipment
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[18:12] <Gadgetoid> Anyone rocking Ruby on their Pi want to try out a gem?
[18:13] <bootc> Kripton: rpi-3.2.20 definitely
[18:13] <_inc> Gadgetoid: the wiringPI thing you were saying?
[18:14] <Gadgetoid> _inc: yes, I'm trying to include my own Ruby wrapper with it, too, but that doesn't appear to work
[18:15] <megaproxy> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/via-launch-a-49-android-pc-20120522/
[18:15] <megaproxy> this looks neat.
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> nemo, well lets just hope none of the really dodgy cards turn up in the usual outlets for people buying SD's for Pis ...
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> _inc, where are you (hackspace) ?
[18:17] <_inc> Cardiff
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> Ah ok. There's a new one starting in Penzance - just wish I were closer to it. The one in Exeter isn't going anywhere fast by the looks of it.
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[18:19] <markllama> wow!
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[18:20] <markllama> My pi went from East Midlands to Cincinnati in 4 hours?
[18:20] <markllama> une 21, 2012
[18:20] <markllama> 22:13
[18:20] <markllama> East Midlands - UK Departed from DHL facility in East Midlands - UK
[18:20] <markllama> June 22, 2012
[18:20] <markllama> 01:55
[18:20] <markllama> Cincinnati, OH - USA Arrived at DHL facility in Cincinnati, OH - USA
[18:20] <markllama> oops
[18:20] <nidO> theyll both be local time
[18:20] <markllama> ahh yeah time zones... :-)
[18:20] * markllama lives mostly in UTC
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[18:21] <markllama> it's out for delivery to me today. Yay!
[18:21] <Kripton> bootc, kernel from bootc/rpi-3.2.20 booted fine this time and I2C is working (no tested with real slaves but looks good on scope). Thanks :)
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> Farnell are shipping to the US directly from the UK? somewhat surprised about that...
[18:21] <markllama> Yeah, apparently
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> right. off to visit a client in Narnia...
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> laters
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Twin-town-s-return-Narnia/story-15522236-detail/story.html
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[18:27] <Gadgetoid> Looks like my gem is working
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[18:27] <Kripton> gottta get going, public viewing is wating :)
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[18:28] <Gadgetoid> pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/wiringpi-1.0.gem
[18:28] <Gadgetoid> Do not install this on anything but a Pi :D
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[18:28] <Gadgetoid> Magic blue smoke may happen
[18:29] <Gadgetoid> I need to clean up my Ruby wrapper, include the proper license files/description and properly credit/link Gordon and the wiringPi original source, but that's the easy bit
[18:29] <Gadgetoid> Oh, it also requires root :D
[18:29] <Gadgetoid> So: rvmsudo irb require 'wiringpi' WiringPi.methods
[18:29] <dmsuse> has nobody made a website yet for gpio wiring disagrams and projects
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[18:33] <Cheery> oh scrap
[18:34] <Cheery> my python bindings fail so badly from some reason that I reimplement them in C instead
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[18:42] <mrdragons> Heh, hexxeh's on hackaday. :D
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[18:44] <mrdragons> Lots of really cool news about le pi
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[18:53] <mrdragons> Echo! (echo!...echo!.....)
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[19:04] <Gadgetoid> _inc: just got a superhub here, turned it into modem mode straight away... it's still got far too many LEDs
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[19:05] <Gadgetoid> Also, I shouldn't carry on topics from 11 hours ago... no idea how to make shroudbnc cache the log though
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[19:07] <_inc> Gadgetoid: what wireless router/software you using?
[19:08] <Gadgetoid> _inc: I use an Apple router... aaaaaa!
[19:08] <_inc> ooo
[19:08] <_inc> I heard they are nice
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[19:09] <_inc> yea my superhub lights up the livingroom like a disco party
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[19:09] <Gadgetoid> _inc: they're sorta nice, but also absolutely terrible for anything complex
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[19:09] <Gadgetoid> No dynamic dns built in, for example
[19:09] <_Tomi_> Hi can haelp me a compile omxplayer ? on debian wheezy-beta
[19:09] <_Tomi_> a error is /usr/bin/ld: error: linux/XMemUtils.o uses VFP register arguments, omxplayer.bin does not
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[19:10] <_inc> _Tomi_: there is a .deb in the forums somewhere
[19:11] <_Tomi_> but it's a debian na RPI
[19:11] <_inc> no its rpi
[19:11] <_inc> confirmed by myself
[19:11] <_inc> i'll look for it
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[19:15] <_inc> https://github.com/downloads/skgsergio/omxplayer/omxplayer_0.0.1-amdhf.deb
[19:16] <_inc> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=7104Ymw0QWUgoWqAw
[19:16] <_inc> apt-get install libpcre3 libavfilter2 libavformat53 libavcodec53 libswscale2 libpcrecpp0 libva-x11-1 libva1
[19:16] <_inc> then
[19:16] <_inc> dpkg -i omxplayer_0.0.1-amdhf.deb
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[19:17] <_Tomi_> but it's a binary I have a mdify sources fro git-hub
[19:19] <Milos> _Tomi_, is your keyboard broken?
[19:20] <_Tomi_> no
[19:20] <_Tomi_> sorry
[19:21] <Milos> :)
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[19:24] <terranigma> i see the ddos attack on raspbmc site restarted
[19:25] <three14> first raspberrypi.org, now raspbmc?? either dude's got a huge chip on his shoulder or the smallest documented penis on earth.
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[19:28] <Hybridsix> ah, good to be back.
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[19:30] <_inc> ddos?
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[19:30] <_inc> i didn't know it was a ddos
[19:30] <_inc> any details?
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[19:32] <Milos> They might just be migrating to a new IP.
[19:32] <_inc> http://twitter.com/SamNazarko/status/216221045781303299/photo/1/large
[19:32] <three14> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/vfkpm/raspbmc_release_candidate_3_released/
[19:33] <three14> or it could be reddit, but even that mentions ddos
[19:33] <_inc> https://twitter.com/#!/SamNazarko
[19:33] <_inc> theres the details :)
[19:33] <Gadgetoid> Any Rubyists about?
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[19:36] <three14> yay!! second Pi just came
[19:37] <three14> why was the DHL man driving his own car?! lol
[19:37] <MikeL> I'v had people deliver things in cars before too
[19:37] <MikeL> kinda crazy :P
[19:38] <Gadgetoid> Second? aaarrrrrrr
[19:38] <three14> i know he was smoking in the car -_-
[19:38] <_inc> three14: make a variation of this -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4
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[19:38] <MikeL> lol
[19:38] <_inc> pi turning each other on and off
[19:38] <_inc> :)
[19:38] <three14> that or Corby smells so strongly of cigarettes that it still smells like it 4 days later
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> three14: they do that
[19:40] <nidO> dhl regularly use contracted couriers driving their own cars
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[19:40] <three14> i did not know that.
[19:40] <three14> i offered him a bottle of water and/or soda. he declined.
[19:41] <three14> sort of miserable here, weather-wise
[19:41] <nidO> the sun's come out here
[19:42] <nidO> still windy as hell though
[19:42] <dnel> are there any images that'll fit on a 512MB sd card?
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[19:43] <MikeL> you tried a jpeg?
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[19:43] <dnel> haha
[19:43] <dnel> my pi wont boot that
[19:43] <MikeL> :P
[19:43] <dnel> at least, i dont think it will
[19:44] <dnel> only got it today, course my larger SD card has gone missing :(
[19:44] <MikeL> Is there a DSL image?
[19:44] <dnel> havent seen one, was looking for tinycore but not found one
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[19:44] <dnel> maybe thats a porting project to be done
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[19:45] <agumonkey> hi there
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[19:46] <agumonkey> Does the Rpi displays anything before bootloading ? on analog video out
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[19:46] <SpeedEvil> No.
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> If you mean without a SD
[19:46] <tero_rpi> irc from pi itself :)
[19:46] <tero_rpi> awesome :D
[19:46] <MikeL> :P
[19:47] <_inc> you are the 1%
[19:47] <agumonkey> actually a probably bad FS on a SD
[19:47] <MikeL> I can do one better
[19:47] <three14> the box from RS is so much prettier than the Element14 box: http://i.imgur.com/NvM25.jpg
[19:47] <MikeL> I hosted a 4 man quake game earlier on my pi
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[19:47] <agumonkey> agreed three14
[19:47] <markllama> three14: mine from E14 was just in a shipping bag
[19:47] <_inc> three14: makes a good case too
[19:47] <markllama> not even really padded.
[19:48] <three14> markllama, from element14 i had a padded envelope, small white box, static bag, and the pi
[19:48] <three14> and 2 page leaflet
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[19:48] <markllama> maybe I just forgot all that in my eagerness to get to the core.
[19:48] <markllama> :-)
[19:48] <tero_rpi> um what is a "nice" text editor that works in gui?
[19:49] <tero_rpi> on the r-pi
[19:49] <tero_rpi> ?
[19:49] <three14> leafpad?
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[19:49] <_inc> gvim
[19:50] <agumonkey> holy crap it's booting. it's alive. franskennypi
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[20:09] <tero_rpi> why do we have 3 web browsers in this new wheezy?!
[20:09] <tero_rpi> this si stupid
[20:09] <three14> choice?
[20:10] <hansPansen> hey there. whats the best distribution for the raspberry at the moment (and by best i mean, the one with the best performance)
[20:10] <three14> apt-get remove them
[20:11] * tero_rpi is planing to build a case this weekend
[20:11] <tero_rpi> :)
[20:11] <tero_rpi> probally from wood :D
[20:12] <Hybridsix> tero_rpi: http://dumpon.us/307/
[20:12] <Hybridsix> our cases. we didnt have any wood stock, but it would easily be able to be cut
[20:12] <Hybridsix> we've made 4 more of the same variety
[20:12] <tero_rpi> awesome
[20:12] <three14> Hybridsix, be sure to remind me when you guys want to get rid of a few. :-)
[20:13] <tero_rpi> well i don't have any tools to mold plastic
[20:13] <Hybridsix> three14: we'll be cutting some more on tuesday.
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[20:13] <Hybridsix> our laser is going down for some maintenance tonight/tomorrow ish
[20:14] <three14> and definitely let me know if you guys try using some 3mm plywood or similar. :-D
[20:14] <dirty_d> i just found a neat little tool, ttyrec
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[20:14] <dirty_d> lets you record a terminal session like script, but it works with vim and everything too
[20:14] <Hybridsix> real solid wood tends to look better if we can get it in the right thickness
[20:14] <Hybridsix> however
[20:14] <Hybridsix> plywood is easier to source
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[20:15] <dirty_d> good wood is freakin expensive
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[20:15] <rasp7aa> hi
[20:16] <dirty_d> hi
[20:16] <MikeL> hello
[20:17] <rasp7aa> you should make it out of driftwood
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[20:18] <three14> nicer woods look better, but have less strength than plywood.
[20:18] <three14> of course, nice wood vs acrylic...wood might win.
[20:18] <Pingless> good evening all
[20:19] <MikeL> You don't really need stong wood for something so small as a pi tho
[20:19] <Pingless> I'm running OpenELEC on my rPi, but in the latest build (11315) XBMC is refusing to save the video configuration; does anyone have any experience with this?
[20:19] <agumonkey> I can't believe it. I lent(lended?) my only usb keyboard to a friend. ><
[20:20] <tero_rpi> agumonkey, buy a usb ps2 adaptor if you have and old ps2 keyboard and mouse
[20:20] <tero_rpi> it works for me
[20:20] <tero_rpi> and I only use one usb port
[20:20] <tero_rpi> for both
[20:20] <rasp7aa> agumonkey: get a bluetooth one
[20:20] <Hybridsix> three14: / rasp7aa we have a local suplier which sometimes gives us exotic wood scraps.
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[20:21] <Cheery> odd stuff
[20:21] <Cheery> when I put C interface with GLES and whatever pi has, it works.
[20:22] <Cheery> when I try it through ctypes, it doesn't work
[20:22] <rasp7aa> I know some of these words
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[20:23] <dirty_d> just got a new server at work
[20:23] <dirty_d> 24 3.4GHz logical cores and 50GB ram :)
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[20:24] <dirty_d> two of them actually
[20:24] <rasp7aa> jeez
[20:24] <rasp7aa> what's it used for? rendering?
[20:24] <dirty_d> maybe i could install distcc on there and take advantage, lol
[20:25] <MikeL> can it run crysis? ;)
[20:25] <dirty_d> its a database server
[20:25] <dirty_d> for the college i work at
[20:25] <dirty_d> i think its overkill x 1000
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[20:25] <rasp7aa> does it store the whole database in ram?
[20:25] <dirty_d> no
[20:25] <rasp7aa> :P
[20:25] <dirty_d> the server we have now is like sparc cpu and 4GB ram
[20:26] <rasp7aa> you should steal the old one
[20:26] <dirty_d> my home pc is faster lol
[20:26] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: https://rubygems.org/gems/wiringpi
[20:26] <dirty_d> how do you see the cpu info on solaris?
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[20:28] <dirty_d> at least the new ones run linux
[20:29] <dirty_d> but red hat
[20:29] <dirty_d> 2.6.18 kernel...
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[20:29] <rasp7aa> dirty_d: google says prtdiag
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[20:29] <Gadgetoid> Just need someone on a Pi to "gem install wiringpi" and see what happens
[20:30] <rasp7aa> Gadget-Mac: what is gem?
[20:30] <rasp7aa> *gadgetoid: what is gem?
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[20:30] <Gadgetoid> rasp7aa: Ruby package management
[20:30] <nidO> a ruby application
[20:31] <rasp7aa> I'll do it if you want, but I don't have ruby
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[20:31] <dirty_d> rasp7aa, yea our server doesnt have that program
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[20:31] <dirty_d> old peice of crap
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[20:32] <rasp7aa> psrinfo?
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[20:34] <dirty_d> nope
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[20:34] <rasp7aa> not even as root?
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[20:37] <dirty_d> maybe thats why
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[20:37] <Gadgetoid> You need all the Ruby first :)
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[20:40] <Gadgetoid> I'll be putting together some Ruby GPIO examples, and wiringpi will be a pre-requisite... hopefully KidsRuby will be able to do stuff with this too
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[20:50] <djazz> how can I use my RPi as a bluetooth audio reciever, that i can connect from other devices to stream audio to? I'm using Debian Wheezy Beta and a BT usb dongle
[20:50] * gordonDrogon waves.
[20:50] <dirty_d> hah, just build python on this machine, took 12 seconds
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[20:59] <Cheery> all right.
[20:59] <Cheery> now I have videosys -module.. which works properly
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[20:59] <Cheery> next I'd need to get some opengl ES commands covered
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[21:02] <Raynerd> Good evening, can anyone tell me if SSH is enabled automatically from boot on the raspbian pisces image?
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[21:03] <blkhawk> Raynerd: i think that was one of the fixes in r2
[21:03] <blkhawk> the hexxeh image has it too
[21:03] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: It is on pisces
[21:03] <Raynerd> OK, I`m a noob so don`t know much about what I`m talking about... just trying to follow something!
[21:03] <Raynerd> excellent.. thankyou!
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[21:04] <rasp7aa> Don't worry, some of the distros require you to edit a text file in the boot partition before ssh is enabled.
[21:04] <Raynerd> :-D yes, and with this one I can`t see that file!!
[21:05] <rasp7aa> But I raspbian just has ssh on by default
[21:05] <Raynerd> great stuff..
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[21:09] <tRiM> hi, is there a chan for raspbmc? as site appears down
[21:10] <rasp7aa> chan as in japanese image board?
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[21:14] <Cheery> all right.
[21:14] <tRiM> chan as in irc channel , but i just read sams twitter feed and seen he doesn`t frequent irc
[21:14] <rasp7aa> tRiM: The main dev has a twitter, apparently they're being ddos'd
[21:14] <Cheery> now my library only requires some really good GLESv2 bindings. :)
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[21:15] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. Cooking for others all afternoon, then I make some toast for myself and burn it. What a Muppet.
[21:15] <Raynerd> humm, I can`t find me Pi ip address!
[21:16] <Raynerd> I`m using Advanced IP scanner and it just isn`t showing up, my QNAP is, homehub, PC ...
[21:17] <tRiM> yes i see rasp7aa from twitter, looking for raspbmc rc3 download link or way to upgrade rc2 from inside rpi
[21:17] <rasp7aa> RaYmAn: ifconfig?
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, is it plugged in?
[21:18] <RaYmAn> four letter tabcomplete,please :/
[21:18] <rasp7aa> do a sudo ifconfig
[21:18] <Raynerd> lol :-D I`m pretty useless but yes, I have managed to connect it up!
[21:18] <Pitel> any idea how to configure deluge torrent to be more RPi friendly? when it's running, ssh gets lag about 5 seconds :(
[21:18] <agumonkey> Raynerd: I just wrote a bash for loop to find my Pi IP
[21:18] <rasp7aa> RaYmAn: NEVER!
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> agumonkey, *sigh* man fping
[21:19] <rasp7aa> Pitel: cli?
[21:19] <agumonkey> gordonDrogon: No manual entry for fping
[21:19] <Pitel> rasp7aa: actually just daemon which i;m controling from my desktop
[21:19] <rasp7aa> Pitel: If you're running it cli or as a daemon, might I suggest moving to transmission instead?
[21:19] <Raynerd> agumonkey -- OK, although I can deal with plugging it in, I don`t know what that means!!
[21:19] <Raynerd> rasp7aa - will try
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[21:19] <reider59> I spotted my IP on the screen on bootup, then when I changed it to Static IP addressing I knew what it would be every boot
[21:20] <Pitel> rasp7aa: ok, will try
[21:20] <Pitel> after I log in... :D
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> agumonkey, well if you can run a bash loop, presumably on another Linux PC, then install fping on that.
[21:21] <carldani> have all February 29 orders been delivered by now?
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> carldani, weeks ago...
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[21:21] <tRiM> my 7.45am delivery from RS came today
[21:22] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: By the way, if you want *just* your local ip, like if you were emailing it to yourself or w/e, then use "hostname -I"
[21:22] <reider59> nice one, welcome to the RPi Owners Club
[21:22] <tRiM> had my 3/3/12 from farnell 3 weeks ago tho
[21:22] <plugwash> carldani, given that the supply process seems more of a lottery than a queue noone knows for sure
[21:22] <carldani> gordonDrogon: odd, I registered with RS roughly 2 hours after launch, and my delivery estimate is sometime in July
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[21:23] <reider59> Never mind, July is almost here now
[21:23] <carldani> tRiM: 7.45am, feb 29?
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> carldani, I registered with RS and Farnell round about 6pm on the 29th. Got both a few weeks ago. I also got an RS one off ebay about 6 weeks ago...
[21:24] <carldani> gordonDrogon: odd, so the RS queue is more of a random pick
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> carldani, who knows...
[21:25] <tRiM> yes carldani
[21:25] <reider59> Think mine was March but don`t quote me, got it May 28th.
[21:26] <reider59> mid May was the original date to recieve it
[21:27] <agumonkey> gordonDrogon: indeed. Is it multithreaded btw ?
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[21:31] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: blammo https://rubygems.org/gems/wiringpi
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[21:43] <Cheery> I guess I should make a list
[21:43] <Cheery> from GLESv2 features
[21:43] <three14> be sure to check it twice.
[21:43] <Cheery> I remember it was very compact library
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[21:43] <Raynerd> Hi guys, bearing in mind I`m a relaitve noob, can you please explain why I can see my raspberry pi screen via PuTTY using SSH but I can`t run a GUI, as in startx doesn`t work?
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> Startx would start a local X session on the Pi
[21:44] <Raynerd> So at present using PuTTY it "feels" like I`m looking at my Pi screen command promt!
[21:44] <rasp7aa> RaYmAn: you'll need to forward x
[21:44] <rasp7aa> or use vnc or something
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[21:44] <Raynerd> So in reality, I`m not really looking at the screen?
[21:45] <rasp7aa> that would use much more bandwidth
[21:45] <Raynerd> this is wierd! OK.
[21:45] <rasp7aa> RaYmAn: You can change what the fonts and colours look like in the putty settings
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> Raynerd: You're looking at the console
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> Raynerd: Like if you press alt-shift-f1 - you go to console
[21:46] <Raynerd> So I am looking at the "video output" of the raspberry pi?
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> on a normal machine
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> It's just a tty.
[21:46] <reider59> VNC works well to use the GUI
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> TTYs may or may not be connected to physical hardware output
[21:46] <Raynerd> yes, going to try and use VNC now but just trying to get my head around how it is all working!
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[21:47] <reider59> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5QCoh8S0N4&feature=relmfu
[21:47] <reider59> That's a VNC link
[21:48] <rasp7aa> it's like telnet
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[21:52] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: want to see something cool?
[21:52] <Cheery> there seems to be just 2 pages of relevant opengl es2 commands
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[21:53] <Raynerd> yes!
[21:53] <Raynerd> rasp7aa - most definately
[21:54] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: type "telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl" into your putty shell
[21:54] <markllama> Raynerd: what's your background? What do you typically work on?
[21:54] * markllama is trying to get context to know where to go next.
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[21:55] <markllama> rasp7aa: Thats just too.... too..... :-)
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[21:55] <Raynerd> I`m sorry.. I`m just a tinkerer markllama, I teach Science but like engineering and electronics www.raynerd.co.uk
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[21:55] <Raynerd> rasp77a - will try it in a second
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[21:56] <reider59> tinkerer or not you`re taking part and that's all that matters
[21:56] <markllama> there's no such thing as "just a tinkerer" :-)
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> agumonkey, what, fping? no idea. but it can cycle through a range of IP addresses faster than you can write a loop in bash to do it for you.
[21:57] <markllama> is your most common computer Windows or a *nix desktop/laptop?
[21:57] <Niall> Hey guys, did anyone get a pre-order email from Element 14 today?
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[21:57] <rasp7aa> markllama: he's using putty, so probably
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[21:57] <Leestons> I got mine about a week ago Niall
[21:57] <Raynerd> windows! but have played around with linux in the past. Installing software always annoyed me if from a .deb file and I always normally give up on it!
[21:57] <markllama> rasp7aa: ah I missed that.
[21:58] <markllama> ok, and you have your pi powered on and connected to a network? or to a TV?
[21:58] <Niall> Leestons did you order your Pi? If so, did they give you an estimated shipping date?
[21:58] <Leestons> I ordered it Niall , haven't heard anything from then yet though.
[21:58] <Niall> Same here, thanks for the help.
[21:59] <Raynerd> rasp77a - LOL, what the hell is that all about! I don`t get it, but pretty cool!
[21:59] <rasp7aa> it's star wars .. in telnet
[21:59] <Leestons> Niall: You'll probably get an email soon
[21:59] <markllama> It's just Starwars on ascii art. Someone had way too much time on their hands
[21:59] <markllama> cute though
[21:59] <Raynerd> way too much time !!
[21:59] <Raynerd> but awesome!
[22:00] <Niall> Leestons: I was given a reference number and said that when stock is allocated, they will send a full confirmation
[22:00] <Leestons> Niall: hope you get it soon! :D
[22:01] <Niall> I can't wait for it to arrive! I've already got all the cables and my SD card ready.
[22:01] <rasp7aa> Niall: what are you using for power?
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[22:01] <Niall> Wall socket micro USB
[22:02] <rasp7aa> 5V & >=700mA?
[22:02] <Niall> Yup, the one they recommended
[22:02] <Raynerd> VNC is working :D
[22:02] <rasp7aa> good good
[22:02] <Leestons> I had a plug laying around for my Pi, can't find it now >.<
[22:02] <Leestons> so can't even see if it's good enough.
[22:02] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: any lag?
[22:03] <Raynerd> yes
[22:03] <tero_rpi> hmm i guess in real life you could not use raspberry-pi for everyday use
[22:04] <tero_rpi> I am trying to use for the last 3 hours
[22:04] <tero_rpi> and is a pain :)
[22:04] <rasp7aa> tero_rpi: At least not until we get accelerated x
[22:04] <tero_rpi> all the websites opening slow...
[22:04] <hermanhermitage> or without x
[22:04] <tero_rpi> etc...
[22:04] <hermanhermitage> apt-get install links
[22:04] <tero_rpi> hehe
[22:04] <hermanhermitage> :P
[22:04] <rasp7aa> web browsers tend to use a lot of ram
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[22:04] <hermanhermitage> yes
[22:04] <hermanhermitage> oodles of it
[22:05] <tero_rpi> and just apt-get install somestuff and using a browser at the same time
[22:05] <tero_rpi> impossible
[22:05] <tero_rpi> midori just freeze
[22:05] <hermanhermitage> you need a small memory footprint tiling browser
[22:05] <tero_rpi> i have now this xchat open
[22:05] <tero_rpi> midori with 3 tabs
[22:05] <hermanhermitage> not sure if there is one for linux
[22:05] <rasp7aa> tero_rpi: irssi!
[22:05] <tero_rpi> and I am installing some software
[22:05] <hermanhermitage> android and iOS have them
[22:05] <rasp7aa> hermanhermitage: we need android :D
[22:06] <tero_rpi> not to mention you can't use flash
[22:06] <tero_rpi> youtube
[22:06] <tero_rpi> etc
[22:06] <tero_rpi> :)
[22:06] <rasp7aa> youtube has html5 options
[22:06] <hermanhermitage> between X and a desktop browser you have a bad fit for small memory
[22:06] <djazz> hm, when apt-get install bluetooth, it wants to install 100 MB packages :S
[22:06] <tero_rpi> I have installed libreoffice
[22:06] <tero_rpi> that works
[22:06] <tero_rpi> sort of
[22:06] <djazz> on Wheezy
[22:06] <rasp7aa> and adobe is discontinuing flash support for ARM iirc
[22:07] <rasp7aa> libreoffice is quite bloating isn't it?
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[22:07] <tero_rpi> well it works
[22:07] <tero_rpi> i mean
[22:08] <tero_rpi> is not that bloated
[22:08] <markllama> pretty much any office software is bloating
[22:08] <markllama> that's what it is for
[22:08] <markllama> pi's really are best for teaching and hobbying and maybe some embedded stuff.
[22:08] <tero_rpi> so i guess if you want to use raspberry-pi for everyday use
[22:08] <tero_rpi> you need a lot of patience
[22:08] <markllama> If I wanted to do something real on ARM I'd get a thinslice
[22:08] <dmsuse> how many ma do relays use?
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[22:09] <rasp7aa> djazz: 60.8mb here
[22:09] <markllama> I'm looking to see if I can use them to teach or run a computer club at the HS
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[22:09] <zleap> markllama, should be able to,
[22:10] <zleap> i take it HS = high school
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, 10's to 100's.
[22:10] <markllama> yes
[22:10] <djazz> rasp7aa: lots of printer drivers, what does that have to do with bluetooth?
[22:10] <rasp7aa> djazz: bluetooth printers?
[22:10] <tero_rpi> well I am on irc from raspbbery-pi
[22:10] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: thnx
[22:10] <tero_rpi> so at least this works fine :)
[22:10] <zleap> you can download the scratch curriculum guide
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, the Pi will not drive a relay directly.
[22:10] <djazz> yeah
[22:10] <dmsuse> it will :P
[22:11] <zleap> gordonDrogon, you need the gertboard or somehting don't you
[22:11] <hermanhermitage> hah
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, not a mechanican one..
[22:11] <dmsuse> yuhuh
[22:11] <dmsuse> i have a 3v relay
[22:11] <markllama> each student needs a pi with USB serial, a medium sd card and a network cable. Infrastructure would be a pair of 8 port or a 16 port managed switch a set of USB hubs to aggregate the serial ports to a single control head.
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, and it works?
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[22:11] <dmsuse> why wouldn't it?
[22:11] <djazz> is there smth like blueman for the cli?
[22:11] <Leestons> Niall: when you pre-ordered, did you recieve a confirmation email?
[22:11] <markllama> and one or two monitoring boxes so you can do visualization as the network comes up.
[22:11] <zleap> markllama, so how many do you need
[22:12] <markllama> for a real class? one per student :-)
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, if it's a mechanical one, it will need current to pull the contacts - it would need to be very low powered - less than 16mA to stay in-spec for the Pi...
[22:12] <markllama> it's a ways out so I'm not worried about volume yet.
[22:12] <Niall> Leestons: I got an e-mail saying that they received my order, but they didn't confirm it.
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[22:12] <dmsuse> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221039418840?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[22:12] <dmsuse> is that a mechanical 1?
[22:13] <rasp7aa_rpi> tero_rpi: me too
[22:13] <tero_rpi> ql :)
[22:13] <markllama> I think i can get the class costs per student under $50US and send each student home with a working computer and an idea about how to do system administration (what I really want to teach)
[22:13] <Leestons> Niall: I guess I'm
[22:13] <Leestons> ugh
[22:13] <Leestons> i guess i'm re-ordering then, didn't get an email or anything
[22:13] <tero_rpi> i like xchat better then irssi :)
[22:13] <traeak> i just use pidgin and lump everything together
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, ok - that has an on-board driver transistor on it, so it will need to be supplied with +3,3v.
[22:14] <rasp7aa_rpi> you're crazy
[22:14] <markllama> or http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-CA-42-CA-42-USB-Data-Cable-For-Nokia-6101-6102-6102i-6103-2285-2280-/320919831495?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item4ab85003c7#ht_2401wt_1181
[22:14] <Leestons> I use Irssi too,
[22:14] <rasp7aa_rpi> irssi > xchat
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, a quick google showed me this: http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/displayProduct.jsp?sku=1703746&CMP=e-2072-00001000&gross_price=true which requires nearly 50mA to operate.
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, what are you trying to switch?
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[22:15] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: damn they only have 433 in stock for next day delivery.. I wanted 1000
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> :)
[22:15] <Niall> Leestons: After I ordered, this was the e-mail I received http://i.imgur.com/QqfWz.png
[22:15] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: ummm
[22:15] <markllama> http://www.king-cart.com/phoenixent/product_name=HWS1927/category=RECEPTACLES-SOCKETS+IDC+.1SP+%2526+2MM+SP/exact_match=exact
[22:15] <rasp7aa> Niall: Now I'm going to use your reference number to cancel your order!
[22:15] <dmsuse> a switch on an inverter
[22:15] <markllama> the ca-42 and one of those
[22:15] <dmsuse> 12v to 240
[22:16] <dmsuse> inverter
[22:16] <Niall> oh shit
[22:16] <Niall> i didn't see that
[22:16] <Niall> balls
[22:16] <rasp7aa> tee hee
[22:16] <Niall> god dammit
[22:16] <Leestons> Panic over, i recieved the same thing
[22:16] <Leestons> I was thinking "oh god, I ordered and it didn't go through"
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[22:16] <Leestons> thank you Niall <3
[22:16] <Niall> No problem
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, solar inverter? what voltage are you switching?
[22:17] <ReggieUK> niall, mind your language please
[22:17] <Niall> Sorry about that, I was in a short state of panic.
[22:17] <dmsuse> its got a tiny red switch on the front of the 12v to 240v inverter
[22:17] <dmsuse> obviously that doesnt have huge load going to it
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> it might be switcing a relay itself. 12V to 240V will be carrying a lot of current at 12V!
[22:18] <dmsuse> i thought i could just wire the wires from the switch directly to the pi, but someone said i need a relay to do it
[22:18] <dmsuse> well yeah, its a 18000 watt inverter :P
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> I'd definatley use some sort of isolation.
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, er... that's 1500 amps.
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, at 12V thats cables as thick as your arm.
[22:19] <markllama> and your pi will go FAST!
[22:19] <markllama> PPPOOFFFF!
[22:19] <Leestons> It'll go boom :P
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, so it's not 12V off the panel - it's likely to be wired series/parallel to get the output voltage to a nominal 200 or so..
[22:19] <dmsuse> that is the point im making
[22:19] <dmsuse> a tiny switch cant be handling all that power
[22:20] <dmsuse> its on a relay or something itself
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, it's not 12V and the switch is probably switching a relay.
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[22:20] <three14> dmsuse, i said you'd need a relay to switch it
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> why do you want to turn it off anyway?
[22:20] <three14> wiring the switch to gpio = no more pi
[22:20] <dmsuse> inverters waste energy when not being used
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[22:21] <dmsuse> three14: i disagree :P
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> can't you grid-tie it?
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[22:21] <gordonDrogon> if you have a solar panel that big, you'd get a huge savings/money back, thing.
[22:21] <dmsuse> no, just wondering if the pi would be able to switch that inverter relay (that is built in) directly
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> take the lid off and send photos...
[22:22] <three14> not without a transistor to energize the relay
[22:22] <dmsuse> cool
[22:22] <dmsuse> i bought a few of these relays, because i want to remotely turn on/off lights and stuff
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> that little board on ebay had the transistor on it.
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> you have those ciseco boards off ebay?
[22:23] <dmsuse> yeah
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> ok.
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[22:23] <dmsuse> not had chance to try it yet though :P
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> cheaper than the solid state switches I use though... They're about ?9.50 each.
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> far better though :)
[22:24] <dmsuse> the only reason i got this is because it was the highest rated 3v relay i could find
[22:24] <dmsuse> 10 amp
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[22:25] <gordonDrogon> I use these: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/solid-state-relays/7385531/ only rated 5A though.
[22:26] <dmsuse> i think you showed me that before, but 5a at 240v
[22:26] <dmsuse> is like... mere ma at 12v ?
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[22:27] <gordonDrogon> Im not switching 12V.
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> I'm switching mains.
[22:28] <dmsuse> nice
[22:28] <dmsuse> what exactly are you switching?
[22:28] <dmsuse> lights?
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> if you want to activate that little switch remotely, just wire a relay across it.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> pumps mostly.
[22:28] <IT_Sean> pumps?
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> central heating pumps.
[22:28] <ReggieUK> not sneakers
[22:28] <IT_Sean> ahh
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> and a boiler. (US: Furnace)
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> and a 3-way valve.
[22:29] <dmsuse> cool, i can see a web interface with switches and readouts showing your homes temperature/water temperature and switches to turn them on
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> soon to be replaced with momo valves.
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> no.
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> only because there isn't one.
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[22:30] <Leestons> That would be pretty cool dmsuse
[22:30] <dmsuse> well thats what im going to make
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> and the system is offline right now anyway. Needed to remove it when I changed some stuff last year.
[22:30] <dmsuse> but just for lights and inverter and maybe hot water
[22:30] <markllama> yep. You could butt-destroy your house in dozens of ways with your smart phone ;-)
[22:30] <dmsuse> lol
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> so back to the old CH & solar controllers )-:
[22:31] <Leestons> If I had a clue I'd do that, would love to control my house lights from a computer
[22:31] <markllama> turn the lights on, start the stove, run the bath, turn off the heat in the freeze...
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> Looks for the X-10 stuff.
[22:31] <dmsuse> Leestons: well its easier with 12v things, less likely to electrocute yourself :P
[22:31] * IT_Sean has X10
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> it gets quite expensive though and unless you're 100% sure about what your doing, dangerous.
[22:31] <markllama> I have X10 in my house. I'm not sure I'd buy it again.
[22:31] <dmsuse> run the bath, that would be so cool
[22:32] <Leestons> Once I get my pi I'll be reading about the GPIO I think.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> I've a friend who fitted some X10 stuff - oddly enough e wasn't too happy about it either.
[22:32] <markllama> dangerous? Other than blowing out my CFLs too fast (an insteon lamp module seems to do that)
[22:32] <markllama> the power line noise is just too much
[22:32] <IT_Sean> I'm fairly happy with it. I use it mostly for on site security, though, rather than automation
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:32] <markllama> I don't know if the pure insteon is better. I have a couple of modules.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> the effort of re-witing the rest of my house and trying to get it part P compliant is too much now
[22:33] <IT_Sean> I'm running X10 modules w/ Insteon. Redundant power line & RF comms
[22:33] <markllama> I did get the bridge/amplifier and a whole-house surge suppressor which I think has helped at least once during a lightning strike
[22:33] <markllama> are you running any lighting with it? Specifically CFLs?
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[22:33] <IT_Sean> Yes. No CFLs though. All incandescent or LED
[22:33] <markllama> the CFLs don't like dimmers and I don't bother putting them on dimmer controllers
[22:34] <IT_Sean> for CFLs you'd want an appliance module. No dimming on those.
[22:34] <IT_Sean> All of the exterior 12v lighting is automated, as is the interior corridor lighting, and outdoor 120v floods.
[22:34] <markllama> but I have one lamp module with a CFL and it's blown 3 of them in about a month each. The first I thought was a fluke. I've run CFLs on X10 lamp modules. Just don't try dimming them.
[22:35] <IT_Sean> It's all run by an older iBook, as well, for remote access.
[22:35] <markllama> but the lamp modules have a triac rather than a relay and the power curve gets wierd.
[22:35] <dmsuse> IT_Sean: you seen the new smd led lighting?
[22:35] <markllama> Hrrm. I need to make a new cable for my X10 computer interface.
[22:35] <IT_Sean> I have not. All the LED lighting i am using is 12v marine grade stuff.
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[22:36] <three14> just use one low amperage relay to switch mains on to energize a second more powerful relay. had to do it to get the arduino to power on the baseboard heat because it's thermostat wasn't the best.
[22:37] <IT_Sean> I also am using the iBook to link the X10 stuff w/ exterior security cameras for motion detection & tracking.
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[22:38] <markllama> Is there anything for Insteon that will also control X10?
[22:38] <IT_Sean> It's a pretty sweet system. Took about a year to get it running properly, though.
[22:38] <markllama> right now I have X10 with just a few insteon and I'd like to convert them all to Insteon over time, but.
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> you can get dimmable CFLs but who uses those these days? So old fashioned.
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> LEDs are the way forward.
[22:39] <markllama> my wife likes the X10 for one thing: she can turn the xmas lights on and off with a single button.
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[22:40] <IT_Sean> I've also git it wired into the alarm system. Now controlling the siren and a blue strobe above the garage via X10, and should the alarm go off, the outside of the house lights up like a battlefield.
[22:40] <markllama> I haven't been happy with any of the sensor/responders enough to use it for security
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[22:41] <IT_Sean> I'm not using the X10 stuff for the interior sensors. I'm using a proper hardwired alarm system, and interfacing it all via the laptop.
[22:41] <markllama> What I really need is one of the proper signal testers and a bunch of line filters to silence the noisy devices.
[22:41] <markllama> ahh
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[22:42] <IT_Sean> i'm running interior motion, thermal, and sound detection. In the event of an alarm, the alarm panel signals the laptop. The laptop then sends me a text message, turns on all of the exterior lighting, and activates the siren and strobe.
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[22:43] <lrvick> So I have a asus USB-N10 which is supposed to be well supported
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[22:43] <lrvick> and the kernel sees it, but i get o scan results
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[22:44] <lrvick> within 3 feet of two usb hotspots
[22:44] <lrvick> i cna only assume that perhaps it is unsderpowerd
[22:44] <IT_Sean> The siren and spotlights time out after about 3 minutes. the 12v exterior lighting and strobe remain on until i sent a specifically worded sms reply.
[22:44] <lrvick> but seems to work for other people?
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[22:47] <IT_Sean> I am off
[22:47] <IT_Sean> later all
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[22:52] <CruX|> any RPI OE devel here ?
[22:52] <CruX|> ERROR: ParseError at /oe/meta-raspberrypi/recipes-kernel/linux/linux.inc:10: Could not include required file recipes-kernel/linux/linux-tools.inc
[22:52] <CruX|> how can I fix this ?
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[22:56] <three14> tech2077! how goes the i2c?
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[23:06] <Gadgetoid> And finally blogged: http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/post/012-wiringpi-as-a-ruby-gem
[23:07] <lrvick> Anyone had any luck with a xbee wifi module?
[23:07] <three14> Gadget-Mac, that looks great.
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[23:09] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid: your blog index is overlapping your right column for me
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[23:10] <Leestons> fine for me rasp7aa
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[23:11] <rasp7aa> oh it only happens if I load the page in a small window and resize it to the fullsize.
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, looks good!
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[23:12] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, I've used the xrf/urf modules, but not xbee...
[23:12] <reider59> I just had a quick shufty too, very impressive
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[23:14] <Gadgetoid> rasp7aa: when you scroll down?
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[23:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: huzzah! I hope it actually works... tested it locally, but that's hardly a comprehensive test
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, a test is a test :)
[23:15] <Gadgetoid> Haha
[23:15] <three14> tell that to my fiance when she asks if a particular dess looks nice.
[23:16] <three14> dress*
[23:16] <Gadgetoid> I've also hooked up a colour Palm to my Pi to run the LCD simulator... it's still pretty underwhelming though
[23:16] <Gadgetoid> I wonder if I could hack up the source and write something better
[23:16] <Gadgetoid> Probably not much demand for PalmOS Pi LCDs :D
[23:17] <ReggieUK> I think there might be a call for one of the many 2-7" colour LCDs out there though
[23:17] <ReggieUK> with spi or parallel
[23:18] <ReggieUK> or with an onboard controller
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[23:18] <ReggieUK> dsi is the wrong way to go imho
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> ReggieUK: yeah, I'm waiting to get my hands on one
[23:18] <ReggieUK> those screens are anywhere from $10 upwards
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> But I'm being fussy about what I want :D
[23:18] <ReggieUK> I've got an spi based one from nuelectronics
[23:18] <ReggieUK> 1.8" screen
[23:19] <ReggieUK> so it's a bit impractical for anything I really want
[23:19] <ReggieUK> but it would be relatively simple to code up a driver for it
[23:19] <ReggieUK> there's already code for the arduino
[23:19] <ReggieUK> it wouldn't be much of a stretch
[23:19] <Cheery> GLES is an annoying mess
[23:19] <Cheery> esp. the v2
[23:19] <ReggieUK> so my thinking is look for one of the bigger screens that's managed to get some atmega love somewhere and crib the driver :D
[23:20] <ReggieUK> maybe even something with it's own 2d acelleration
[23:20] <xranby> Cheery: i can give you some hints how to convert gles v1 code to v2
[23:20] <Cheery> xranby: go ahead and tell
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[23:21] <Raynerd> Anyone here running a webpage off their pi?
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[23:22] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: http://86.30.196.161/
[23:22] <steveccc> can anyone tell me if its possible to run a command to check the power levels to a usb device - want to check if too much power is being drawn from the pi
[23:23] <markllama> damn. DHL claimed no one was home at 4:45ET
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, Pi doesn't appear to support that function.
[23:23] <Raynerd> rasp7aa - that rocks!!
[23:23] <markllama> while I was IMing with my iwfe there.
[23:23] <Raynerd> Is it easy enough to do?
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, look for a screen with the goldilox commands set maybe?
[23:23] <three14> markllama, blaming the wife, eh? haha
[23:24] <Raynerd> rasp7aa - what happens in 1hour 52?
[23:24] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: yup, http://www.simonthepiman.com/how_to_setup_a_web_server_with_php_support.php
[23:24] <markllama> no, blaming DHL.
[23:24] <markllama> and the fact that the doorbell is busted.
[23:24] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: It's an uptime, days, hours, minutes, seconds
[23:24] <markllama> and that I told them it didn't need a signature.
[23:24] <OCA|> steveccc: I believe there is a way with a multimeter to measure the voltage and give you an idea if power is a problem.
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[23:25] <Raynerd> ahhh, gonna give it a go now. Does it create many security issues?
[23:25] <xranby> Cheery: where do you want me to start? the statemachine is gone (the fixed function pipeline) so.. i wrote this quick introduction code https://raw.github.com/xranby/jogl/master/src/test/com/jogamp/opengl/test/junit/jogl/demos/es2/RawGL2ES2demo.java its java based but the opengl es 2 calls are the same
[23:25] <three14> markllama, at least your dhl driver wasn't smoking like a chimney.
[23:25] <ReggieUK> http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Ego-China-Electronics
[23:25] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, i was thinking more along the lines of one of the TFT's from here
[23:25] <Gadgetoid> steveccc: I don't think the Pi is capable of having "too much" power drawn from it via USB
[23:25] <xranby> Cheery: scroll down to the end to get an idea
[23:25] <Cheery> xranby: if the state machine is 'gone', why there are Enable/Disable?
[23:25] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: I'm not sure about that, I wouldn't have thoght so as long as you get the permissions right
[23:25] <ReggieUK> ??12 for a 3.2" tft with a touch panel
[23:26] <Raynerd> ok, I`ll give it a go...
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, from where... ?
[23:26] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: you would need to forward port 80 on your NAT if you want other people to see it
[23:26] <xranby> Cheery: only the fixed function pipeline with premade functions to set ligning etc
[23:26] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, pocket digital oscilloscope :D
[23:26] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-2-TFT-LCD-Module-Display-Touch-Panel-PCB-adapter-/190451748066?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c57cf0ce2
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[23:26] <xranby> Cheery: i used the wrong wordings the statemachine is still there but the fixed function pipeline is gone
[23:27] <rotozip> Adafruit has their Pi cases back in stock. I just picked one up.
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[23:27] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: you could skip the php part if you don't need it
[23:27] <xranby> Cheery: do you know how the shader code work?
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, looks like it's a 16-bit interface -tricky to get going with the Pi.
[23:28] <Cheery> xranby: yes
[23:28] <three14> does the 3.1.9+ kernel have i2c built in?
[23:29] <xranby> Cheery: is there some specific code that you have trouble converting from gles 1 to gles 2 ?
[23:29] <Raynerd> I`ve just printed a new Pi case on my 3D Printer: http://www.raynerd.co.uk/?p=1590
[23:29] <Cheery> xranby: nope, but I liked to know what you have on there.
[23:29] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, I wasn't sure tbh, they have many boards, though, was hoping one would be useful
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[23:29] <Gadgetoid> three14: not afaik, bootc doesn't want anything to do with 3.1.X
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[23:30] <OCA|> steveccc: Found it, if you've got a multimiter handy - http://elinux.org/Rpi_Hardware#How_Can_I_tell_if_the_power_supply_is_inadequate.3F
[23:30] <ReggieUK> High-speed interface by 8-/9-/16-/18-bit 6800-series / 8080-series parallel ports
[23:30] <ReggieUK> - Serial Peripheral Interface (SPI)
[23:30] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: is the top still rigid with all that empty space?
[23:30] <three14> Gadgetoid, well that certainly explains my problem. Thanks! :-)
[23:30] <ReggieUK> so anything between 8-18bit gordonDrogon
[23:30] <Raynerd> rasp7aa - yea, more than strong enough. PLA is pretty rigid.
[23:30] <Cheery> xranby: thing is, I converted that buffer sharing example what shirro put into github, into simpler version, which can be easily used from python
[23:30] <xranby> Cheery: the pi 3d thing?
[23:30] <Raynerd> Don`t get me wrong, it protects it from bangs - i`d be a gonner if you stood on it!!
[23:31] <ReggieUK> I bet there's a driver knocking around in linux somewhere for those ssd1289 chips
[23:31] <Cheery> xranby: I'd like some simple stuff for gles2, which would make it faster to roll out different things.
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[23:32] <xranby> Cheery: i am working on getting opengl es working on the raspberry pi from java.. the example i posted above currently work on all arm boards with xorg gles drivers
[23:32] <Cheery> xranby: I've got an idea of rolling out a kind of special desktop manager
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[23:32] <Tim3> Raynerd: really nice work <thumbs up>
[23:33] <Cheery> xranby: or more like a library, and then see what people get on with it
[23:33] <Raynerd> Cheers... having another baby shortly so play time will soon stop in my workshop!!
[23:34] <three14> Raynerd, congrats!
[23:34] <xranby> Cheery: ok.. sounds really nice.. it would be great to have a pure python opengl es example that shows how opengl es 2 work
[23:34] <Raynerd> ta!
[23:34] <xranby> and then a simpler api to make programming games easier
[23:34] <xranby> so two examples would be nice
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[23:34] <xranby> one to show whats really going on
[23:34] <zutto> Raynerd: have fun with the diapers ;p
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, I'd be really wary at those prices - anything else seems to be a lot more.
[23:35] <xranby> and one to simply draw a triangle without seeing all initialization
[23:35] <Cheery> xranby: if you abstract too much the API, it causes more effort than help
[23:35] <Raynerd> zutto - my daughter is 3 and now dry at the night, so I was getting use to the end of diapers/nappies
[23:35] <Cheery> xranby: the abstractions must be light enough that they just work most of the time, yet still exposes opengl.
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, and the Pi only has 17 bits of output max...
[23:35] <steveccc> the pi should be able to power a usb memory stick shouldnt it
[23:35] <steveccc> mine appears very weak
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, yes.
[23:36] <xranby> cheery: i agree thus the first example should not use any simplification at all and use opengl es directly
[23:36] <xranby> like in the raw opengl es 2 demo i posted above
[23:36] <steveccc> gordondrogon: its ok until you start to write then after a period of time you get read errors and then the device dissapears from the system
[23:36] <Gadgetoid> three14: get porting :D https://github.com/bootc/linux/blob/rpi-i2cspi/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-bcm2708.c
[23:37] <Cheery> xranby: well it's safe to abstract shader function
[23:37] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, I haven't bought lcds from that store yet but I have bought other stuff and it's been sufficiently good quality for me to go back a couple of times
[23:37] <ReggieUK> never had an issue
[23:37] <Cheery> xranby: things like uniform settings
[23:37] <xranby> hmm... please dont abstract away the shader
[23:37] <ReggieUK> had bluetooth serial modules, ftdi chips, motor driver boards and motor
[23:37] <xranby> because
[23:37] <xranby> if people can program it
[23:37] <xranby> then they will make adwantage of the full power of the pi
[23:38] <xranby> like 4d fractal rendering
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> steveccc, have you tried a powered hub?
[23:38] <Cheery> xranby: well the point is doing things like easy composition of the shader program, and operations on shaders. most details will stay visible and functions remain.
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[23:39] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, or something like this
[23:39] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-TFT-LED-LCD-Module-A-D-Board-VGA-2AV-Function-/190571437289?pt=BI_Electrical_Equipment_Tools&hash=item2c5ef15ce9
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, you buy stuff direct from china via ebay? Hmm
[23:39] <ReggieUK> yeah, why not?
[23:39] <steveccc> gordondrogon: this one is supposedly powered - 2A but I have a better hub which is on the list of supported hubs on the way
[23:39] <Cheery> and say you have VBOs in possession.. there should be some abstractions to make them straightforward to use.
[23:40] <ReggieUK> I appreciate teh pitfalls and the caveats :)
[23:40] <ReggieUK> like I say, I've tested this place out, I know they're ok
[23:40] <ReggieUK> It's not like I'm going to order 100s of ??s worth of kit from them
[23:40] <xranby> Cheery: sound cool.. i will download and try the pi3d http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1408 before i can even comment on api improvements
[23:40] <Raynerd> rasp7aa - I`m not clear on step 7 - I don`t get how to add the line that is missing!
[23:40] <ReggieUK> no worse than getting sold a pup connector at maplins imho
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, that's a complete system for composite input by the looks of it!
[23:41] <ReggieUK> indeed it is sah
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, Hm. I was looking at portable flatscreen TVs earlier - under 70 quid from currys...
[23:42] <Cheery> xranby: should I show really what I mean? :)
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/essentials-c16ldib11-refurbished-16-hd-ready-lcd-tv-11081823-pdt.html
[23:42] <Raynerd> Guys, I`m being asked to edit a file and do this: sudo vi /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf but when it opens in terminal, I can`t edit it!!
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> but then this is getting away from a small 2nd display sort of thing...
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, why not?
[23:43] <ReggieUK> indeed, there are many ways to skin the screen cat with a pi :)
[23:43] <Raynerd> dunno... when I try and randomly type, nothing happens - I`m new to all this so probably doing somethign wrong!!
[23:43] <Gadgetoid> Raynerd: hit "i"
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, ah. ok. don't use 'vi' use nano instead.
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, it has on-screen help. for now, type :q!
[23:44] <Gadgetoid> And read: http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, that's a colon, then q then !
[23:44] <Gadgetoid> Naaooooo, viiiiii!
[23:44] <Raynerd> ahhh!
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[23:44] <Raynerd> clicked i and now my down and up arrows add letters above the text!
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ok, you teach him how to use vi :)
[23:44] <three14> lol
[23:44] <Gadgetoid> Or just echo "line to add" >> /file :D
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, press the ESC key.
[23:44] <Gadgetoid> vi learning curve: |
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, then :q!
[23:45] <Raynerd> humm
[23:45] <Raynerd> OK
[23:45] <Raynerd> right I`m out of it all... that was horrible!
[23:46] <Gadgetoid> Amazing how one takes even the most fundamental knowledge of vi for granted... it's hard to remember how goddamn counter intuitive it is
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, Vi (and vim) is a modal editor - you have an input mode and an edit mode. typing i (or a, A, I, o, O) puts you into input mode. ESC gets you out of it.
[23:46] <zutto> Gadgetoid: use nano!
[23:46] <zutto> lol
[23:46] <zutto> gordonDrogon: *
[23:46] <Gadgetoid> zutto: naNO!
[23:46] <zutto> sorry, wrong person :<
[23:47] <Raynerd> humm, ok
[23:47] <zutto> lol, i was supposed to say that to Raynerd
[23:47] <zutto> >_<
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, nano is a simple editor - it's always in input mode and you give it commands with control-keys.
[23:47] <Gadgetoid> zutto: You win!
[23:47] <zutto> no, i'm not tired!
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[23:48] <Raynerd> so how do I open in nano instead
[23:48] <zutto> nano <file>
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, same as you did for vi, just type nano instead of vi
[23:48] <Raynerd> (can I just clarify, am I being thing because I really didn`t get that at all!!! I couldn`t even add a new line!
[23:48] <traeak> no, not nano!
[23:48] <zutto> traeak: how about pico?
[23:49] <rasp7aa> nano > vi
[23:49] <zutto> ^
[23:49] * Tiksi[work] (~mark@70-88-44-13-ct-ne.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
[23:49] <Gadgetoid> Raynerd: I hope you realise... you've started a war!
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[23:49] <Gadgetoid> Raynerd: and not being able to use vi as a linux beginner is pretty much par for the course, I've been using linux for over a decade and I still don't freakin' get it
[23:50] <zutto> inb4 someone comes up here with kwrite or gedit..
[23:50] <reider59> nano is good and simple. Just forget about the mouse, I keep wondering why pointing and clicking doesn`y move the cursor lol. Get the cursor to the right of the character you want and use backspace.
[23:50] <Gadgetoid> I'm still scraping mortar out of the vim learning wall with a bent fork
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[23:50] <Cheery> xranby: http://bpaste.net/show/6rmIVVAIUTGVfCUEPd1Q/
[23:50] <Cheery> xranby: things like that.
[23:50] <Raynerd> sorry!!! ;-)
[23:50] <daxroc> Hi gordonDrogon, are you going to put wiringPi on github ?
[23:50] <Cheery> I've seen codeflow.org author doing those
[23:50] <Gadgetoid> daxroc: If he doesn't I will :D haha
[23:50] <Cheery> and they work very well really
[23:51] <three14> anyone have an armhf build of bootc's kernel?
[23:51] <reider59> Just use up/down/left/right and move the coloured blob (cursor)
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> daxroc, no - I have my own servers and I don't like github.
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[23:52] <rasp7aa> gordonhub
[23:52] <Gadgetoid> daxroc: translation: Get orf mah lawn :D
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[23:52] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, not quite!
[23:52] <Cheery> xranby: the point is to hide most of the state into objects.
[23:52] <reider59> << found a UK site that sells some of the Ada
[23:52] <daxroc> Don't like github ? just thought the pull requests for changes / improvements would be nice
[23:52] <reider59> Fruit stuff
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> reider59, I'm sure you can get a nano that uses the mouse ...
[23:53] <rasp7aa> reider59: yeah but they don't have the adafruit case!
[23:53] <Cheery> xranby: so that you have less places to trip on.
[23:53] <reider59> http://proto-pic.co.uk
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> daxroc, I've no real interest in putting stuff on other sites - which can then add their own adverts in, etc. I pay for my own dedicated hosting.
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[23:53] <bootc> three14: the kernel is the same oin armhf
[23:53] <bootc> on*
[23:53] <rasp7aa> does github have ads?
[23:53] <reider59> probably can, I just laugh when I keep trying. Old habits die hard
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> daxroc, I do plan to make it all accessable via git one day... When I've mastered git myself!!!
[23:54] <Gadgetoid> daxroc: nothing stopping us throwing it into github, as far as I know, and keeping it up-to-date until such a time as he wants to take the flame :D
[23:54] <Raynerd> Guys, sorry in nano, I`ve edited my file.. to save, do I "write out" ?
[23:54] <Gadgetoid> I've refrained out of courtesy, though, and because I haven't made any worthwhile changes myself
[23:54] <rasp7aa> RaYmAn: ctrl + x
[23:54] <reider59> ctrl o
[23:54] <bootc> three14: it's just the package itself that will change, as in the armel vs armhf - the actual kernel itself will be identical for an 'armhf' build
[23:55] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: ctrl + x
[23:55] <Gadgetoid> Also... effort... eee! was there anything you wanted to contribute to it daxroc?
[23:55] <reider59> I use ctrl o and then ctrl x to exit
[23:55] <Raynerd> cheers!
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, I've no idea - I use adblock+ it seems to have trackers though.
[23:56] <rasp7aa> ctrl + x should ask if you want to save first
[23:56] <zutto> ctrl + o saves
[23:56] <daxroc> github has adverts
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[23:56] <reider59> okies, always careful so I don`t lose all of my te pin ;-)
[23:56] <reider59> *tie pin
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[23:57] <three14> bootc, thank you. :_)
[23:58] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, I think pi.gadgetoid.co.uk needs a favicon... really feeling its absence
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> bed time..... laterzzzzzzzzz
[23:58] <xranby> Cheery: ok, yes.. its nice from a lines of code perspective and probably very usefull to abstract away most initialization
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[23:59] <reider59> later gordon
[23:59] <Raynerd> I`m now stuck with /var/ .... index.php [new file] and no buttons seem to do anything!!
[23:59] <bootc> three14: np :-)

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