#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-23

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <bootc> three14: the primary reason is that the kernel itself can't use any floating point at all, so softfloat / hardfloat is all the same to the kernel
[0:00] <Raynerd> not even esc seems to do anything!
[0:00] <daxroc> Gadgetoid: Some examples, some clean up etc
[0:01] <xranby> Cheery: for example the java jogamp project have also abstracted away most logic.. the only problem i found was that if i took an opengl es book and started to look for the opengl es calls like glSomething() i would not find them in the example since its hidden in a class or object
[0:01] <reider59> try ctrl c
[0:01] <Raynerd> nice one!
[0:01] <reider59> yw
[0:01] <xranby> Cheery: but for your purpose to make it easier to get something 3d on the screen from python its great
[0:02] <three14> bootc, that's what i'd thought, but wasn't sure if something had changed or i heard wrong in the first place. do you have a link to the kernel image itself, rather than a deb?
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[0:02] <Cheery> xranby: if I've gotten it right.. your example only sets up vertex buffer objects and shaders, then uses them to render to screen?
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[0:03] <Cheery> hm
[0:03] <Cheery> my pi goes quite hot after all
[0:03] <three14> Cheery, in a case?
[0:04] <xranby> Cheery: yes its a really basic example.. not the most optimal one
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[0:04] <Cheery> three14: naked
[0:04] <xranby> Cheery: like i do not take adwantage of storing VBO in the GPU and reuse them
[0:04] <three14> Cheery, it's even hotter in a case.
[0:05] <rasp7aa> Cheery: 45C hot?
[0:05] <Leestons> I didn't think that the Pi's got hot?
[0:05] <xranby> Cheery: for example in the example i posted im resending all uniforms and arrays on each frame update
[0:05] <Cheery> rasp7aa: feels hot when I push my finger on it
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[0:05] <Raynerd> rasp7aa - I`ve followed the tutorial and I`m there! However, I`m not clear what I`ve done!!
[0:05] <rasp7aa> it's not supposed to get any hotter than 45C
[0:06] <Cheery> xranby: could you store the uniforms per each frame?
[0:06] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: type in the local ip of the pi in your browser
[0:06] <Cheery> xranby: I thought you can't, except for this kind of simple examples
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[0:06] <Raynerd> Yes, I can see that, but I presume that is just locally?
[0:07] <Raynerd> It is working, I can see the page as it says I should.
[0:07] <rasp7aa> Yeah, it's just a simple matter of fiddling with your router settings to push port 80 to your pi
[0:07] <Raynerd> ahhhh!!!
[0:07] <Raynerd> ahhh!!
[0:07] <Cheery> shutting down my pi.. I think it doesn't need to be on all the time.
[0:07] <Raynerd> So now if I change index.php for a "proper" page, I`m up and running!
[0:08] <Cheery> going to look up some files on my supercomputer
[0:08] <Gadgetoid> daxroc: might be worth setting up a repo then, the awesomeness of WiringPi should be spread like maple butter
[0:08] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: Yup
[0:08] <Raynerd> rock and roll
[0:08] <Cheery> but then..
[0:08] <Cheery> maybe I'll do this all tomorrow
[0:08] <Cheery> getting to sleep
[0:09] <xranby> Cherry: good night, i am learning and experimenting just like you
[0:10] <daxroc> Gadgetoid: true, I would like permission first tho. Don't want to step on any toes
[0:11] <Raynerd> rasp7aa - is all this lost of I turn my pi off?
[0:11] <rasp7aa> Raynerd: well yeah, until you turn it back on.. and then it's all back!
[0:12] <Raynerd> yea, sure. Sorry, I meant that. As in, all working again if I turn it back on, I don`t need to do it all again.
[0:12] <rasp7aa> Yeah, I knew what you meant, I was just kidding :P.
[0:12] <rasp7aa> It should be fine
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[0:20] <SirFunk> anyone using the EW-7811Un adapter?
[0:21] <rasp7aa> SirFunk: I got a EW-7711UAN working
[0:22] <reider59> I`m using the 7811Un
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[0:30] <_inc2> evening all
[0:30] <SirFunk> rasp7aa: what distro
[0:30] <SirFunk> reider59: what distro?
[0:31] <reider59> Debian Wheezy Beta and before that Debian Squeeze
[0:31] <rasp7aa> raspbian
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[0:33] <SirFunk> hmm
[0:33] <SirFunk> i'm trying to use arch
[0:33] <SirFunk> won't compile
[0:34] <Viaken> There's no audio support in Arch, correct?
[0:34] <SirFunk> really?! that would suck
[0:34] <rasp7aa> audio support is sketchy everywhere
[0:34] <SirFunk> i didn't check
[0:34] <Viaken> lovely
[0:35] <SirFunk> bummer.. idk i have no /dev/dsp entries
[0:35] <SirFunk> i didn't even think of that
[0:36] <jmontleon> does anyone else' pi lock up intermittently; sometimes after a week or more time being up?
[0:36] <SirFunk> did either of you guys compile the driver from source?
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[0:38] <reider59> I used a script in both cases
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[0:40] <reider59> The Debian Wheezy Beta is real fast and full audio support is built in
[0:40] <Viaken> As far as I know, there is no source.
[0:40] <reider59> plus my wifi works :-)))
[0:40] <rasp7aa> SirFunk: nope
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[0:41] <rasp7aa> my driver was in debians non-free repo
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[0:42] <reider59> I just placed the script in the /boot folder, placed a command to it and it downloaded the correct driver. the rest was history.....
[0:43] <reider59> I`d like to have said I sat back and smoked a cheroot, sadly I gave up smoking 6 years ago and still occasionally want one lol
[0:44] <bnmorgan> is there anywhere to find projects?
[0:44] <bnmorgan> i mean.....condensed index
[0:44] <rasp7aa> bnmorgan: the forums
[0:44] <bnmorgan> ty
[0:44] <SirFunk> reider59: hmm.. where do i get it? does it have xbmc?
[0:45] <bnmorgan> the xbmc is about all i've seen really.
[0:45] <reider59> no xmbc
[0:45] <reider59> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/download.php?file=/images/debian/7/2012-06-18-wheezy-beta.zip
[0:46] <rasp7aa> raspbmc is debian underneath
[0:46] <SirFunk> reider59: link down
[0:46] <SirFunk> rasp7aa: their website is dead though?
[0:46] <reider59> works ok here, twice now
[0:47] <SirFunk> reider59: oh yes.. yes it does
[0:47] <rasp7aa> SirFunk: they're being ddos'd or something, just give it a day
[0:47] <rasp7aa> it can't be mirrored because the installer needs the website to download stuff
[0:48] <reider59> Are they getting attacked still? Started last week.....
[0:48] <rasp7aa> no, I think it's because he released r3
[0:49] <bnmorgan> how do i uninstall something
[0:50] <rasp7aa> bnmorgan: what os?
[0:50] <bnmorgan> debian
[0:50] <rasp7aa> apt-get remove
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[0:50] <SirFunk> ugh
[0:50] <SirFunk> i want my raspberry pi to work now :-D
[0:50] <Leestons> I want my raspberry pi
[0:51] <bnmorgan> is there a way to see the proper name for the program?
[0:51] <bnmorgan> or what all is installed?
[0:52] <daxroc> with debian ?
[0:52] <bnmorgan> yes.
[0:52] <daxroc> dpkg -l
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[0:56] <bnmorgan> dangit. thank you daxroc
[0:56] <bnmorgan> l and 1 look a lot a like
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[1:04] <daxroc> hym no pulseIn
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[1:06] <SirFunk> ahh! found a new version of the source for that wifi driver, maybe it'll work on arch
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[1:07] <reider59> good luck
[1:08] <SirFunk> It's compiled further than the one on the disk :-P
[1:09] <SirFunk> i do wish i could get xbmc and audio though
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[1:10] <Raynerd> this isn`t a raspi thing, but I`m using the line to SSH files from my windows computer to the pi to host a simple website: pscp -l root -P 22 -r %HOMEPATH%\Documents\RaspPi root@ now currently that is copying the folder RaspPi to var/www on the pi. I just want to copy the files FROM RaspPi not the actual folder itself. The root is var/www and I`m obviously ending up with var/www/RaspPi !!
[1:10] <Kooothor> hello
[1:11] <Leestons> Kooothor: hi
[1:12] <daxroc> Raynerd: look into sftp
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[1:12] <Raynerd> OK, I appreciate your advice but I`m just getting my head around this ... so I presume on that advice that I can`t do anything about it this way?
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[1:13] <Kooothor> les francophones peuvent me rejoindre sur #raspberrypi-fr :)
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[1:13] <SirFunk> raspiberry pi is slow at compiling :-D
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[1:13] <daxroc> Raynerd: you can, sftp has nice gui applications on the windows side so you can traverse the directorys
[1:14] <daxroc> drag and drop folders / files etc
[1:14] <Raynerd> OK, is it a simple fix to the way I`m writing it to copy the contents of the directory and not the actual dir itseldf?
[1:14] <daxroc> add a \ to the source
[1:14] <SirFunk> reider59: any reason your using wheezy instead of squeeze?
[1:15] <Raynerd> pscp -l root -P 22 -r %HOMEPATH%\Documents\RaspPi root@\ like that?
[1:15] <Raynerd> ooops! source!
[1:15] <reider59> Faster, seems more stable
[1:15] <Raynerd> pscp -l root -P 22 -r %HOMEPATH%\Documents\RaspPi\ root@
[1:15] <reider59> Quick to install too
[1:16] <SirFunk> reider59: hmm. ok
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[1:16] <reider59> gives options on a config menu at the start to fill out the space on the SD Card, add password automatically, auto start SSH.....
[1:17] <reider59> sound built in, no modprobe needed
[1:17] <SirFunk> i need to find the sond module for arch
[1:17] <reider59> more reasons to use it than not to ;-)
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[1:28] <reider59> time to kick back and watch tv for a while before bed
[1:28] <reider59> later
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[1:29] <Raynerd> rasp7aa - you still around. Confused now in my router settings to get this to portforward!!
[1:29] <rasp7aa> hmm?
[1:31] <SirFunk> bah! i don't htink the usb port on my laptop provides enough power for this wifi adapter? when i try to scan the device goes bye bye
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[1:31] <Raynerd> It says port range? I don`t even see where to add the ip address of the pi1
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[1:31] <rasp7aa> put 80 for both
[1:32] <rasp7aa> nowhere to put the ip? take a screenshot
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[1:34] <notlistening> Hi all :)
[1:34] <rasp7aa> hi
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[1:35] <notlistening> is anyone using openelec on their pies?
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[1:35] <rasp7aa> quite a few I think
[1:36] <notlistening> lol i am sure
[1:36] <notlistening> has anyone come up with a shutdown proceedure, or as close as we can get to one given the hardware
[1:37] <rasp7aa> the pi is like a pc from 1999, you can't shut it down all the way via software, you've gotta pull the plug
[1:37] <notlistening> thats what i meant
[1:38] <notlistening> I was talking about getting it into a very low power saving mode
[1:39] <rasp7aa> I'm not sure
[1:39] <notlistening> Fair enough
[1:39] <notlistening> let me trawl
[1:39] <bnmorgan> um. how can i set the clock?
[1:40] <rasp7aa> apt-get install ntpdate
[1:40] <rasp7aa> ntpdate uk.pool.ntp.org
[1:40] <bnmorgan> much obliged.
[1:41] <bnmorgan> fmr i have a lot to learn
[1:41] <rasp7aa> bnmorgan: the pi doesn't actually have a clock chip
[1:41] <bnmorgan> will this let it grab time when online?
[1:41] <rasp7aa> so it has to poll the ntp servers
[1:41] <rasp7aa> yeah
[1:41] <bnmorgan> auto?
[1:41] <rasp7aa> you might need to configure your timezone
[1:41] <rasp7aa> yeah
[1:42] <bnmorgan> i'm just glad i was able to steal my pi back from our IT manager at work.
[1:42] <bnmorgan> he fell in love, and i had to sneak it back out of his office.
[1:42] <rasp7aa> what image are you on?
[1:42] <bnmorgan> debian
[1:42] <bnmorgan> it said best for beginners
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[1:43] <notlistening> yeah debian is pretty easy going
[1:43] <rasp7aa> which country are you in?
[1:43] <bnmorgan> US
[1:43] <bnmorgan> central tz
[1:43] <rasp7aa> the defaults are all uk
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[1:44] <bnmorgan> america/chicago
[1:44] <rasp7aa> so you're gunna need to change your keyboard layout / locale / timezone
[1:44] <bnmorgan> ok.
[1:44] <rasp7aa> http://elinux.org/RPi_Beginners#Locale_settings
[1:44] <notlistening> Waves to Chicago from the UK
[1:45] <bnmorgan> i'm actually in mississippi
[1:45] <bnmorgan> o/
[1:45] <rasp7aa> notlistening: you'd probably be better off making a post in the forums, the irc channel seems to be a bit empty this evening
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[1:47] <rasp7aa> hmm, you can set the time like this aswell, sudo date --set ???23 APR 2012 16:01???
[1:47] <rasp7aa> but it would better to grab it from ntp if you have network access
[1:47] <ReggieUK> notlistening, what's your question again?
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[1:48] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: power-saving mode
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[1:48] * PiBot sets mode +v dpwright
[1:48] <ReggieUK> define power saving mode
[1:48] <ReggieUK> as in the arm cores internal power saving mode?
[1:49] <rasp7aa> He/she wants to send their pi to sleep
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[1:49] * JMNUTS_ is now known as JMNUTS
[1:49] <notlistening> he btw
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[1:50] <ReggieUK> at a guess, if the pi core can be set with an internal mode, then it's possible
[1:50] <ReggieUK> but we don't have control over any of the v-regs
[1:50] <nelson> woo hoo! RPi acquired!
[1:50] <rasp7aa> nelson: congrats
[1:50] * bnmorgan cheers
[1:51] <markbook> mine went back to DHL :-(
[1:51] <nelson> rasp7aa: now I just need to find a monitor which can also display HDMI.
[1:51] <ReggieUK> I would say possibly asking in #raspberrypi-dev might get a better answer
[1:51] <ReggieUK> nelson, it only needs to do dvi
[1:51] <rasp7aa> nelson: or dvi
[1:52] <nelson> oh! and a special HDMI -> DVI plug, then.
[1:52] <ReggieUK> lol
[1:52] <rasp7aa> it wouldn't have to be that special
[1:52] <ReggieUK> or $2 for an adapter
[1:52] <rasp7aa> you just won't get sound
[1:52] <nelson> well, that's what I mean.
[1:52] <ReggieUK> I Actually wonder about that
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[1:53] <ReggieUK> whether it would be possible to tap off the audio
[1:53] <ReggieUK> there is some kind of pcm out on the gpio pins
[1:53] <rasp7aa> sounds like too much effort when you've got a 3.5mm jack anyway
[1:53] <ReggieUK> it's not configured for it but it's there
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[1:53] <ReggieUK> kind of but teh sound quality is apparently poor
[1:53] <notlistening> does the 3.5mm jack do digital aswell?
[1:53] <ReggieUK> as it's bit-banged
[1:53] <ReggieUK> no it doesn't do digital
[1:54] <ricky26> I think the 3.5mm jack and the S-Video are just of DACs in the chip
[1:54] <ricky26> off*
[1:54] <ricky26> nothing fancy at all :P
[1:54] <notlistening> GPIO would though
[1:54] <ReggieUK> the 3.5mm is a pwm pin I believe
[1:54] <ricky26> orly?
[1:54] <ReggieUK> it's not part of the audio core as such
[1:54] <ReggieUK> rly
[1:55] <ricky26> I don't even know how you'd do sound with pwm
[1:55] <nelson> "I'm sorry, boss, I had to borrow the status display monitor ... for my research."
[1:55] <ricky26> .. to save the world."
[1:55] <rasp7aa> nelson: most modern monitors should do dvi
[1:56] <nelson> sure, and I can look in the local kit store to see if they have an adapter. In the meantime, who needs a status display over the weekend anyway??
[1:57] <rasp7aa> nelson: my pi doesn't have a display, I just ssh into it over the network
[1:57] <rasp7aa> an extra keyboard and mouse is too much hassle
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[1:57] * PiBot sets mode +v warddr_
[1:57] <SirFunk> rasp7aa: does your wifi work if you power of another computers usb?
[1:58] * nelson glares at the DHCP server and forces it to give up the RPi's address.
[1:58] <ReggieUK> I wrote up a little bit of code so that we can access the gpio-keys / gpio-mouse interfaces
[1:58] <ReggieUK> for the pi
[1:58] <rasp7aa> SirFunk: Dunno haven't tried, but probably not.
[1:58] <ReggieUK> enough pins on a pi to do an 8x8matrix of keys
[1:59] <ReggieUK> or using the gpio-mouse interface you can setup a simple digital joystick and 3 buttons as a mouse
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[2:00] <plugwash> I count 15 usable pins on the GPIO header....
[2:00] <SirFunk> rasp7aa: ok, maybe that's my prob. I'll try it off wall power at home
[2:00] <plugwash> add some decoder chips and you could drive a full keyboard matrix fairly easilly
[2:01] <ReggieUK> I count 17
[2:01] <ReggieUK> tx/rx can be reconfigured
[2:02] <plugwash> your right I must have miscounted
[2:02] <ReggieUK> but my other thoughts were to possibly use something like an atmega chip with the arduino ps2 library convert the x/y data, you could easily use gpio mouse
[2:02] <plugwash> either way get a 1 of 16 decoder chip and you can drive a 6x16 matrix off 10 lines
[2:02] <markbook> so what can you do with those pins? Essentially you can program voltages out and/or sense voltages in?
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[2:03] <ReggieUK> but for a keyboard you could use a similar method but convert it to serial output
[2:03] <plugwash> which is enough for a full keyboard
[2:03] <ReggieUK> markbook, no, they're not programmable in that way
[2:03] <plugwash> (and then some)
[2:03] <ReggieUK> they can sense hi/lo or falling/rising/changing edge
[2:04] <ReggieUK> and you can set them hi/lo
[2:04] <markbook> you can't use them for signalling outbound? ahh
[2:04] <ReggieUK> and they also have alternate functions
[2:04] * Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[2:04] <ReggieUK> yes, they can be used for signalling outbound :)
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[2:04] <ReggieUK> just not in the way you think as such :)
[2:04] <markbook> we;; by "program a voltage" I really meant +-3.3v and 0
[2:05] <plugwash> markbook, you can set them as outputs, what you can't do is set them to some arbitary level, they can only be high or low
[2:05] <markbook> I didn't mean to phrase it as if you could set analog levels.
[2:05] <ReggieUK> so now we know what you're talking about, yes, you can do that ;)
[2:05] <markbook> ahh.. good :-)
[2:05] <ReggieUK> and they have alternate functions too
[2:05] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[2:06] <ReggieUK> so for instance, you've got serial tx/rx, i2c, spi, i2s
[2:06] <markbook> so things like moisture sensors or threshold sensors, but not level readings.
[2:06] <ReggieUK> lots of options
[2:06] <markbook> well the serial tx/rx I already have in use with a USB serial port
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[2:06] <ReggieUK> again, no, you've got access to all kinds of digital interfaces
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[2:07] <ReggieUK> you can get a sht11 for instance, temperature and humidity sensor
[2:07] <ReggieUK> oh, I see, no, you can't measure your own levels directly off a gpio pin (only 0 or 1)
[2:07] * markbook thinks he needs to do some reading and stop asking naive questions.
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[2:08] <markbook> with some programming and smart things on the other end you can program complex signalling as well.
[2:08] <ReggieUK> but access to all of those different interfaces will allow you to attach chips that will do everything you want and pass it back to you digitally
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[2:14] * PiBot sets mode +v JMNUTS
[2:17] <markbook> That's what these need! A Service Processor!
[2:17] <markbook> :-)
[2:19] <three14> Someone posted a link in here a few days ago about an ir remote reciever on the pi. anyone have that lnk or something similar?
[2:20] <markbook> I think the Sun/Oracle SPs I used to work on are ARMs. I wonder what it would take to connect one of these to the BIOS sensors on a modern workstation and to control the power supply etc...
[2:22] <rasp7aa> three14: http://dx.com/p/wireless-multimedia-infrared-ir-remote-controller-with-usb-receiver-for-pc-2-aaa-34434
[2:23] <three14> rasp7aa, i meant using gpio. sorry for the confusion.
[2:23] <rasp7aa> or http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/usb-infrared-toy-v2-p-831.html?cPath=174
[2:23] <three14> like most people i have 'that drawer' full of old tv/vcr/dvd/etc remotes.
[2:24] <three14> just need something simple using gpio and lirc.
[2:24] <bnmorgan> the desktop thing is asking for admin password, if it's not raspberry, what is it?
[2:25] <rasp7aa> try ebenhasnohair
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[2:27] <three14> found the info i needed: http://aron.ws/projects/lirc_rpi/ pretty sure this was the same link that was posted here.
[2:28] <bnmorgan> rasp7aa.....what???
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[2:28] * PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean
[2:28] * PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean
[2:29] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[2:31] <bnmorgan> any ideas
[2:31] <rasp7aa> did the one I gave you not work?
[2:32] <bnmorgan> um...no?
[2:32] <rasp7aa> that's strange
[2:33] <ntwrk_keith> anyone had success downloading raspbmc RC 3?
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[2:34] <rasp7aa> the installer won't work without the site
[2:34] <rasp7aa> you need to wait
[2:35] <ntwrk_keith> the site is up
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[2:35] <rasp7aa> not for me :(
[2:35] <ntwrk_keith> www.raspbmc.com?
[2:35] <ntwrk_keith> works for me just fine
[2:35] <rasp7aa> down down down
[2:37] <ntwrk_keith> weird
[2:37] <bnmorgan> what else to try?
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[2:37] * PiBot sets mode +v Skorski
[2:42] <Matt> how did I miss today's google doodle?
[2:43] <ntwrk_keith> rasp7aa: according to Sam Nazarko's twitter feed, they are definitely still getting DDoS'd :( unfortunate.
[2:43] <three14> yep, been all day i think
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[2:44] * PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean
[2:44] * PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean
[2:44] <OllieMorfik> need to use torrents
[2:44] <three14> ^ this
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[2:57] <PiBot> Bot going off-line do to weather. It will be back up soon.(Within an hour or two.)
[2:57] * PiBot sets mode +v Skorski
[2:58] <three14> bye PiBot. :'(
[2:59] <IT_Sean> kink
[2:59] <bnmorgan> SOB
[2:59] <IT_Sean> *kinky
[2:59] <bnmorgan> still can't get it to take pw
[2:59] <three14> bnmorgan, what image?
[2:59] * tech2077 (~tech2077@ Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[2:59] * SpeedEvil imagines PiBot hitting the beach for some killer surf.
[2:59] <bnmorgan> even with the "Some programs refuse to accept my password" thing
[2:59] <bnmorgan> debian
[2:59] <three14> raspberry should be in.
[2:59] <three14> it*
[3:00] <bnmorgan> i tried it
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[3:00] <three14> SpeedEvil, I was imagining PiBot feeling 'under the weather' and sick as a dog.
[3:00] <three14> Him's sick :(
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[3:01] <three14> IT_Sean, did the rain make it to you yet?
[3:01] <three14> http://sirocco.accuweather.com/nx_mosaic_640x480_public/sir/inmasirva_.gif
[3:03] <IT_Sean> three14, yeah, it's already stopped.
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[3:03] <ntwrk_keith> where u at? i'm in sc
[3:03] <IT_Sean> we got what i would call "a heavy sprinkle"
[3:03] <IT_Sean> me? USA.NJ.Northern
[3:03] <ntwrk_keith> :O
[3:03] <three14> hope it helped lower the temperature. it was a nightmare here for the past three days.
[3:03] <ntwrk_keith> I'm from NJ
[3:06] <IT_Sean> http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1553/screenshotfrom201206222.png <--- new desktop image
[3:06] <bnmorgan> what is it, where, and what's theblue light?
[3:07] <three14> a little work and that'd make a great zombie fortress.
[3:08] <IT_Sean> I have no idea where the pciture was taken
[3:08] <ntwrk_keith> IT_Sean, ever heard of Linden?
[3:08] <IT_Sean> It's what is left of a ship, however.
[3:08] <IT_Sean> Linden, NJ? Yeah. why?
[3:08] <bnmorgan> yeah, i know that
[3:08] <bnmorgan> i mean what's the blue light in the structure of the ship
[3:08] <ntwrk_keith> where I was born and raised at
[3:08] <IT_Sean> Looks like a reflection bnmorgan
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[3:08] <IT_Sean> ahh
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[3:10] <bnmorgan> keith.....on the playground, did you spend most of your days?
[3:10] <three14> Tell me i'm not the only person from WV here.
[3:10] <ntwrk_keith> yeah
[3:10] <ntwrk_keith> chillin out
[3:10] <ntwrk_keith> relaxin all cool
[3:10] <markbook> you're not.
[3:11] <three14> who else?
[3:11] <bnmorgan> hah
[3:11] <markbook> I dunno. you told me to tell you.
[3:11] <three14> that cuts me deep, markbook. :'(
[3:11] <three14> lol
[3:11] <markbook> Hey, you said! I was doing what you asked?
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[3:11] * markbook is markllama
[3:11] * markbook waves
[3:12] * markbook is on his netbook, hence the name.
[3:12] <three14> -_-
[3:12] <three14> lol
[3:12] * IT_Sean is on his thinkpad
[3:13] * three14 is on his...Desktop, with iPad in lap.
[3:13] <ntwrk_keith> im not liking my thinkpad much anymore :(
[3:13] <IT_Sean> why not?
[3:14] * IT_Sean loves his
[3:14] <ntwrk_keith> eh its not pretty and its on some older tech
[3:15] <IT_Sean> ah. Mine is new. Well, it's just been replaced by an updated model (thanks lenovo :/ ) but i've had it only a few months
[3:15] <ntwrk_keith> oh
[3:15] <ntwrk_keith> bought mine in 09
[3:15] <IT_Sean> what model have you got?
[3:16] <markbook> my netbook is from 200.... 7?
[3:16] <markbook> I've replaced the battery and recenly the SSD
[3:16] <ntwrk_keith> R500
[3:16] <IT_Sean> x220t here
[3:16] <markbook> 2008
[3:17] <three14> http://i.qkme.me/3ptq1q.jpg
[3:17] <IT_Sean> Actually, i've two. My personal X220t, and my company issue SL410
[3:17] <IT_Sean> lol. llama.
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[3:18] <IT_Sean> http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4246/dscn2446h.jpg
[3:18] <IT_Sean> and http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/5913/dscn2448j.jpg
[3:18] <ntwrk_keith> just not pretty :P
[3:18] <IT_Sean> :o
[3:19] <three14> sorry, markbook. ;)
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[3:19] <markbook> I love it.
[3:20] <markbook> The only thing I wish it had was 768px instead of 600.
[3:20] <Yanluk> Hi. Im having a problem instalig a udlfb module. After "sudo make install" I'm getting that:
[3:20] <Yanluk> make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=/home/pi/udlfb modules_install
[3:20] <Yanluk> make[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/3.1.9+/build'
[3:20] <Yanluk> INSTALL /home/pi/udlfb/udlfb.ko
[3:20] <Yanluk> DEPMOD 3.1.9+
[3:20] <Yanluk> Warning: you may need to install module-init-tools
[3:20] <Yanluk> See http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt
[3:20] <Yanluk> make[1]: Leaving directory `/lib/modules/3.1.9+/build'
[3:20] <markbook> better graphics (to run DVDs would be nice)
[3:20] <Yanluk> Anyone could help?
[3:22] <ntwrk_keith> i need more res on my laptop ;(
[3:22] <ntwrk_keith> higher*
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[3:34] <Syliss> what res?
[3:34] <hermanhermitage> 320x240 is enough pixels for any man!
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[3:42] <three14> lrvick, saw your Pi Party post on reddit. Gave you an upvote even though i'd seen that pic a day earlier.
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[3:51] <ntwrk_keith> i cant remember but linux mint could use a little more real estate
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[3:54] <three14> linux mint's pretty good, imho. which WM/DE?
[3:54] <ntwrk_keith> yikes
[3:54] <ntwrk_keith> linux newb here... i THINK
[3:54] <ntwrk_keith> its
[3:54] <ntwrk_keith> KDE
[3:55] <three14> let me check their website, i use lxde on mint
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[3:57] <three14> http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/maya/mate.png
[3:57] <three14> using mate there.
[3:58] <three14> i haven't used KDE since 3.x
[3:58] <three14> Mmm, KDE3
[3:59] <three14> man, i need to check their website more often.
[4:00] <hadifarnoud> that desktop looks great three14
[4:00] <three14> hadifarnoud, which one?
[4:00] <hadifarnoud> picture you sent
[4:00] <three14> with MATE?
[4:00] <hadifarnoud> yep
[4:01] <three14> http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/maya/cinnamon.png
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[4:01] <hadifarnoud> never used LXDE
[4:02] <three14> http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2031
[4:02] <three14> i don't know if they have the lxde edition anymore, but it's no problem to install.
[4:03] <hadifarnoud> thanks for the link
[4:03] <three14> http://linuxmint.com/
[4:03] <ntwrk_keith> ah I'm on Mint 11
[4:03] <ntwrk_keith> so not using new WM
[4:04] <hadifarnoud> I was royal ubuntu user past couple of years.
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[4:05] <three14> yea, it rocked for the longest time.
[4:05] <RITRedbeard> Ubuntu? God Bless-you.
[4:05] <RITRedbeard> Terrible allergy season, isn't it?
[4:05] <three14> had a little much in it for me, but not a problem to remove it
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[4:06] <eric2> Hello. I just got my raspberry pi in the mail today. I plugged in a 4GB SD card with debian and hooked it up to my TV but nothing is happening. The PWR OK LED is lit up. Where do I begin troubleshooting?
[4:06] <hadifarnoud> not using it much. moved to mac :D
[4:06] <hadifarnoud> config.txt
[4:08] <hermanhermitage> eric2: usually power, or SD card
[4:08] <hermanhermitage> eric2: or monitor issues
[4:08] <hadifarnoud> have a look at boot/config.txt
[4:08] <hadifarnoud> change driver to 1
[4:08] <hadifarnoud> group to 1
[4:08] <three14> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/06/causeofdeath.png
[4:08] <three14> o_O
[4:10] <eric2> For power I'm using a DigiPower 0.5A 50/60Hz AC converter that has 5VDC 2.1A output. I use it to charge my Nook Color. I understand it delivers more power than required. And the PWR OK light is coming on. Sound good so far?
[4:10] <RITRedbeard> Try Allwinner A10.
[4:11] <three14> eric2, you should use at least 0.7A (700mA)
[4:11] <three14> i know your leaflet might say 500mA, but that's not quite correct.
[4:11] <hadifarnoud> oh, your damaging your Pi eric2
[4:11] <eric2> The SD is a 4GB microSD I'm using in an SD adapter from SanDisk. I wiped the partition table using GParted and made a single FAT32 partition. I'm using RaspiWrite Python script on OS X to download and install the debian squeeze image to the card.
[4:11] <three14> wait
[4:12] <three14> sorry, read that wrong
[4:12] <three14> *doh*
[4:12] <three14> you're good
[4:12] <eric2> So power is good. So maybe I'm screwing up the SD card?
[4:12] <hadifarnoud> does other LEDs blink?
[4:12] <eric2> No other lights come on.
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[4:13] <hadifarnoud> so probably SD is not written properly
[4:13] <three14> the power is good. if the OK led is staying on it might mean an issue with the sdcard.
[4:13] <hadifarnoud> no monitor issue
[4:13] <eric2> Is FAT32 OK for the partition?
[4:13] <hermanhermitage> its a disk image so wont matter
[4:13] <hadifarnoud> yeah, it wipes it up anyway
[4:13] <three14> wait, how are you writing this image?
[4:13] <hermanhermitage> if written correctly
[4:13] <hermanhermitage> RaspiWrite... hows that work?
[4:13] <hadifarnoud> I used that too hermanhermitage
[4:13] <eric2> http://exaviorn.com/raspiwrite/
[4:14] <eric2> The first go I used the disk imager on windows. I neglected to consider that Sandisk keeps a partition for its windows crapware.
[4:14] <hadifarnoud> are you using latest version of raspiwrite? are you writing Debian?
[4:14] <three14> i haven't used that, but hadifarnoud has.
[4:14] <eric2> This raspiwrite python script is supposed to be downloading the latest debian and using dd to write it to the card.
[4:14] <hermanhermitage> eric2: any disk imager will blow away everything
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[4:14] <hadifarnoud> it took me a few tries eric2
[4:15] <eric2> Uch. Discouraging.
[4:15] <hadifarnoud> I mean the raspiwrite itself
[4:15] <hadifarnoud> is it up to date version?
[4:15] <eric2> I just downloaded it from the site.
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[4:16] <hermanhermitage> eric2: and you are on a mac right?
[4:16] <eric2> Too bad there's not some kind of BIOS that can tell me the Pi has a pulse, at least.
[4:16] <three14> eric2, most people have small problems at first, but i'm confident you'll get it eventually. :-)
[4:16] <DaQatz> !channel
[4:16] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-osdev #raspbian #rpi-gentoo #raspberrypi-owners
[4:16] <hermanhermitage> eric2: it does it thru flashing the leds
[4:16] <hermanhermitage> eric2: i dont know the error codes but some lads here do
[4:16] <eric2> So if my LEDs aren't flashing, something else is borked?
[4:16] <hermanhermitage> i get that when i forget to plug in the card
[4:17] <hadifarnoud> probably SD card
[4:17] <hermanhermitage> which an old fart like me is prone to doing
[4:17] <hadifarnoud> oh, is SD card locked?
[4:17] <eric2> OK. Anybody else use a microSD with SD adapter?
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[4:17] <eric2> I don't think so, since I've written to it a couple of times so far tonight.
[4:17] <hadifarnoud> doesnt matter micro or not.
[4:17] <ReggieUK> I do
[4:18] <hadifarnoud> try Raspbian network installer
[4:18] <ReggieUK> no problems with them at all
[4:18] <ReggieUK> definitely try the debian wheezy if you haven't already
[4:18] <hadifarnoud> eric2: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[4:18] <hermanhermitage> eric2: i'm using an adapter
[4:18] <hadifarnoud> probably easiest way
[4:18] <hermanhermitage> eric2: but no flashing of lights at all is like the GPU boot loader cant find any bootcode.bin
[4:19] <hadifarnoud> but it takes ages :D
[4:19] <three14> I second hadifarnoud's suggestion of the Raspbian Installer, and it DOES take ages.
[4:19] <hermanhermitage> eric2: i dont know if the GPU boot loader can indicate failures
[4:19] <eric2> Yeah. The web site says on the order of 90 minutes.
[4:19] <hadifarnoud> give it a go. it's awesome. and make sure install SSH
[4:20] <eric2> Indeed.
[4:20] <three14> really, you can just follow the directions on the website and can't go wrong
[4:20] <hermanhermitage> unless your SD isnt working surely :P
[4:20] <hadifarnoud> and enjoy your Pi eric2
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[4:22] <JohnTeddy> If I order an RPI today, roughly when will it arrive?
[4:22] <Syliss> no one knows sadly
[4:22] <plugwash> noone really knows but i'd guess sometime in august or september
[4:22] <hadifarnoud> nobody knows JohnTeddy. mine took months. might be alot quicker now
[4:23] <Syliss> i can't wait for the model A
[4:23] <Syliss> i kinda want the mk802 device too
[4:23] <JohnTeddy> August/September
[4:23] <JohnTeddy> o well
[4:23] <eric2> They gotta ramp up. When you can pick them up in the checkout aisle of the supermarket, that'll be something.
[4:24] <JohnTeddy> Isn't the demand high enough where they can get funding/find someone else who can do production/manufacturing better/faster?
[4:24] <hadifarnoud> they had to certify it with CE. have a long backlog now.
[4:24] <JohnTeddy> I don't care about CE
[4:24] <hadifarnoud> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=23&sid=75134ee583e348240378068e6e8426ed
[4:24] <JohnTeddy> I'm in America
[4:24] <hadifarnoud> doesn't matter
[4:24] <JohnTeddy> There is no need for any cert here, only FCC, that takes 3 weeks.
[4:25] <JohnTeddy> You only need certs if you're selling at Walmart or whatever.
[4:25] <hadifarnoud> they did it anyway; hence the massive delays
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[4:25] <JohnTeddy> So why don't they just manufacture/sell now in America?
[4:25] <JohnTeddy> If CE wants a change, they can do a hardware rev on a future batch
[4:25] <plugwash> the real issue is that it takes time to work with new factories to bring them on-stream and to work with suppliers to increase supply quantities for parts
[4:26] <hermanhermitage> they will get volume up
[4:26] <plugwash> the CE/FCC thing caused some delays but that was sorted some time ago
[4:26] <hermanhermitage> you gotta remember none of thees guys were operations or manufacturing guys
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[4:26] <JohnTeddy> I worked in China for a couple years, I know things take time. I suspect there are a lot of mistakes being made still though.
[4:26] <RITRedbeard__> I heard Allwinner A10 is stomping all over Shenzen
[4:26] <hermanhermitage> yeah 3-12 months of mistakes and they will be on track
[4:27] <JohnTeddy> I've been to a lot of factories, if you pay them well they'll do what you want and fast.
[4:27] <JohnTeddy> They're quite competent too.
[4:27] <hermanhermitage> i get stuff made in taiwan
[4:27] <hermanhermitage> my main issue is ignoring the spec
[4:27] <JohnTeddy> imho, it's better to pay more than they would now, and give people products instead of letting the buzz die.
[4:28] <ntwrk_keith> buzz isnt going anywhere
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[4:28] <hadifarnoud> they're not Apple. so wait a little. they will get to speed
[4:28] <ntwrk_keith> look at channel
[4:28] <hermanhermitage> open manufacture to anyone and add a certification program
[4:28] <ntwrk_keith> 466 users
[4:28] <hermanhermitage> release chips based on certification
[4:28] <hermanhermitage> seeing as the broadcom is controlled part
[4:29] <hermanhermitage> rasppi foundation should charge for certification
[4:29] <hermanhermitage> and forget making money off the board
[4:29] <hermanhermitage> as JohnTeddy would know with the right "structure" Shenzen et al can crank these things out
[4:30] <hadifarnoud> they dont make money hermanhermitage
[4:30] <ReggieUK> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18541715
[4:30] <hermanhermitage> but there needs to be enough coin on the table for the distribution channel, certification/foundation and factory
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[4:30] <hermanhermitage> do that and it will push itself out into the industry
[4:31] <hermanhermitage> right now RS and Element14 are out of their depth, they dont do high volume, low margin retail
[4:31] <eric2> I don't suppose we're fortunate enough that the raspbian installer has drivers to support the IOGear GWU625 wifi adapter? I shouldn't be so silly, but it's late here. :)
[4:31] <ReggieUK> I suspect they were expect beagleboard etc. type responses
[4:31] <hermanhermitage> yeh
[4:32] <hermanhermitage> everyone is doing an amazing job given their constraints
[4:32] <ReggieUK> and people keep touting that alwinner rubbish
[4:32] <ReggieUK> as being a pi beater
[4:32] <hermanhermitage> but they probably didnt think thru the volume
[4:32] <hermanhermitage> i'm sure the A10 is a better cpu, gpu who knows... but rpi its the ecosystem
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[4:32] <ReggieUK> of course they didn't
[4:32] <plugwash> ReggieUK, AIUI the allwinner hardware is better than what is in the Pi, admittedly it's also more expensive
[4:32] <ReggieUK> well, they did think about it
[4:32] <hermanhermitage> maybe someone will do a joint A10/RPI distro
[4:33] <ReggieUK> well that's the point, it's more expensive, the datasheets apparently aren't all forthcoming
[4:33] <hermanhermitage> and break out the same IO and GPIO
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[4:33] <ReggieUK> lack of gpio
[4:33] <ReggieUK> oh
[4:33] <ReggieUK> and the guy doing it has got working capital to do 5 (count them on one hand) boards at a time
[4:34] <Syliss> which ones ReggieUK ?
[4:34] <ReggieUK> gooseberry on hackaday
[4:34] <Syliss> meh gooseberry is crap
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[4:34] <ReggieUK> exactly
[4:35] <ReggieUK> alwinner, pi wannabee
[4:35] <RITRedbeard__> lol
[4:35] <hermanhermitage> i got MiniX/802/mele on the way for a review
[4:35] <RITRedbeard__> you don't know much about the interworkings of China, do you?
[4:35] <Syliss> there are tons of other all winner stuff tho
[4:35] <Syliss> hermanhermitage: i want to play with one so bad
[4:35] <ReggieUK> the other thing about the pi is the community behind it and why a lot of people are behind it (at least in the uk)
[4:36] <hermanhermitage> yeah
[4:36] <hadifarnoud> its good to have more Pi like projects
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[4:36] <RITRedbeard__> yeah like #ubuntu
[4:36] <RITRedbeard__> lol
[4:36] <hadifarnoud> even if they fail
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[4:36] <Syliss> not just uk ReggieUK
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[4:37] <hermanhermitage> i think the rpi will build a big monoculture for beginners
[4:37] <ReggieUK> I bought into the pi because I do believe that one of the foundations main goals, to kickstart IT in the UK is a very worthy project
[4:37] <hermanhermitage> A10 may be better value prop for hackers
[4:37] <RITRedbeard__> I believe in #ubuntu
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[4:37] <hermanhermitage> hah screw ubuntu
[4:37] <ReggieUK> kickstarting IT education*
[4:37] <hermanhermitage> its a shocker
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[4:38] <hermanhermitage> no doubt the rpi will adopt raspian and a big eco system will form around that as a front line for beginners
[4:38] <ReggieUK> all of the cambridge tie ins, the bbc micro related stuff etc.
[4:38] <RITRedbeard__> an ecosystem like #ubuntu
[4:39] <ReggieUK> the fact that the foundation people all have a decent grasp of english
[4:39] <ReggieUK> and talk to us
[4:39] <hermanhermitage> its debian not ubuntu
[4:39] <hermanhermitage> ubuntu is a commercial effort
[4:39] <ReggieUK> all pi + points
[4:39] <hadifarnoud> they should totally make a powerful version of Pi later
[4:39] <hermanhermitage> mark and his gang screwing up desktop UI on linux back another 25 years
[4:39] <hadifarnoud> nobody buys model A
[4:39] <ReggieUK> I think the pi will take a few directions
[4:39] <Syliss> i want the model A
[4:39] <RITRedbeard__> I think Shenzen will allow us to forget about it, chaps.
[4:39] <ReggieUK> at the moment there is a lot of work going on around getting fat distros working, some gentoo etc.
[4:40] <hadifarnoud> gentoo is awesome, love it
[4:40] <hermanhermitage> reggieUK: yeah for sure
[4:40] <ReggieUK> I think there will also be a barebones linux, so people squeeze as much as they can out of the pi for specific projects
[4:40] <hermanhermitage> reggieUK: but i see a "welcome guide" forming around a front line like rasbian
[4:40] <ReggieUK> and possibly a wrt port
[4:40] <ReggieUK> hermanhermitage, ahh, welcome guide, pushing the right buttons there :)
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[4:41] <hermanhermitage> ReggieUK: got the old BBC one here
[4:41] <hadifarnoud> I really want to create a cluster web server on a few Pi
[4:41] <ReggieUK> like I say, I see it taking a few forms
[4:41] <hermanhermitage> reggieuk: and as you say things like Arch etc for people who want to go hard core
[4:41] <hadifarnoud> any takers
[4:41] <RITRedbeard__> eben the ponzi scheme master / Allwinner A10 keepin CEOs up in Shenzen, it's disaster
[4:41] <ReggieUK> raspbian, debian, gentoo, all great
[4:41] <ReggieUK> but I wonder why they need 1.9GB for a rootfs
[4:42] <ReggieUK> there's a lot of fat to be trimmed
[4:42] <hermanhermitage> reggieuk: yeah check all the X drivers for graphics cards not present :P
[4:42] <ReggieUK> absolutely everything is in there
[4:42] <hermanhermitage> early days
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[4:43] <hermanhermitage> RITBeard__: A10 still a blip, the chinese are making their new ISA choice about now so they can drop the license fees moving forward
[4:43] <hadifarnoud> http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
[4:43] <n17ikh> anyone looked at the motorola lapdock as a pi peripheral?
[4:43] <ReggieUK> I know they've done it to make sure that everyone can plug anything in and it will get drivers loaded
[4:44] <RITRedbeard__> my lapdock only runs Aston Martin/MK802+
[4:44] <ReggieUK> that's much more like it
[4:44] <RITRedbeard__> no honda, sorry :(
[4:44] <Syliss> lol
[4:44] <ReggieUK> I think a few people have hooked up an atrix dock to the pi
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[4:44] <Syliss> I'm planning to
[4:45] <n17ikh> yeah, that's the lapdock. They're quite cheap these days
[4:45] <Syliss> i almost have enough amazon gift cards to get one
[4:45] <D-side> less than $80 usd on amazon
[4:45] <D-side> Syliss: you better get a job because those things are selling out fast
[4:45] <RITRedbeard__> owned
[4:46] <ReggieUK> 109MB is much better
[4:46] <Syliss> lol
[4:46] <ReggieUK> but it's still quite a lot
[4:46] <n17ikh> I'm trying to think of what else I could use one for.. I already have a ton of crappy laptops
[4:46] <Syliss> i don't, all i have is my mbp and an old acer
[4:46] <n17ikh> the pi + lapdock would just make for a cumbersome setup I think
[4:46] <hadifarnoud> anyone wants to try http://www.shapeways.com/
[4:46] <n17ikh> that and I bet the battery life isn't all that great
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[4:46] <ReggieUK> I think it would be fine
[4:47] <RITRedbeard__> <Syliss> i don't, all i have is my mbp and an old acer
[4:47] <RITRedbeard__> Case in point.
[4:47] <Syliss> what?
[4:47] <hadifarnoud> I'm not a 3D designer. can make awesome cases
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[4:47] <Syliss> RITRedbeard__: ?
[4:48] <RITRedbeard__> You should save the money and get an MK802+
[4:48] <RITRedbeard__> before shenzen makes you wait
[4:48] <Syliss> i want to get the mk802
[4:48] <Syliss> and my mbp is from 2008
[4:48] <Syliss> and it was free
[4:49] <eric2> Will loading Raspbian onto an SD card allow it to at least boot the pi to a command line?
[4:49] <RITRedbeard__> sell it for whatever ridiculous price people are buying them for
[4:49] <RITRedbeard__> t61p from ibm refurb outlet
[4:49] <RITRedbeard__> profit
[4:49] <Syliss> screw that
[4:49] <Syliss> i hate windows
[4:49] <Syliss> i love my mbp
[4:49] <RITRedbeard__> Q.E.D.
[4:51] <RITRedbeard__> I have just demonstrated the proof of why the RPi will not gain market traction.
[4:51] <Syliss> ?
[4:52] <des2> eric2 assuming the correct version yes
[4:52] <RITRedbeard__> It's a regional thing. A cultural thing.
[4:52] <Syliss> well i do have the pi
[4:52] <ReggieUK> I have 2 sitting here
[4:53] <des2> http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[4:53] <OllieMorfik> cheater
[4:53] * RITRedbeard__ arrests ReggieUK.
[4:53] <ReggieUK> no wai
[4:53] <ReggieUK> the 2nd one is my sons
[4:53] <ReggieUK> that his grandad got for him
[4:53] <OllieMorfik> im using hexxehs image
[4:53] <hermanhermitage> RITRedbeard: show us on this doll where the RaspberryPi touched you
[4:53] <RITRedbeard__> By the edict of Lord Eben, I hereby arrest you!
[4:54] <OllieMorfik> till my openembedded compile successfully completes
[4:54] <ReggieUK> hey, no need for that kind of talk hermanhermitage!
[4:54] <RITRedbeard__> For breaking the rules.
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[4:54] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[4:54] <hermanhermitage> ReggieUK: apologies sir!
[4:54] <ReggieUK> I really should get around to installing a cross compiling toolchain
[4:54] <ReggieUK> no worries :)
[4:54] <SSilver2k2> howdy Reggie
[4:54] <OllieMorfik> checkout openembedded its pretty easy
[4:55] <RITRedbeard__> You should install and compile on the device itself like a man
[4:55] <ReggieUK> hi SSilver2k2 :)
[4:55] <ReggieUK> good to see you back!
[4:55] <SSilver2k2> i got AdvanceMESS compiled (based on AdvanceMAME)
[4:55] <D-side> RITRedbeard__: :|
[4:55] <RITRedbeard__> nohup make v=99 &
[4:55] <ReggieUK> nice
[4:55] * RITRedbeard__ goes to bed
[4:55] <SSilver2k2> been a LOOOOONG week at work
[4:55] <D-side> and raspbmc.com is down
[4:55] <RITRedbeard__> :D
[4:55] <ReggieUK> and got the neogeo thing working too I saw?
[4:55] <SSilver2k2> ReggieUK: was that you that commented on my blog?
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[4:55] <ReggieUK> it was :)
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[4:56] <ReggieUK> I came looking for you as you hadn't been back
[4:56] <SSilver2k2> ReggieUK: its working in the fact that it launches and can load a neogeo rom.
[4:56] <SSilver2k2> its having some graphical issues now
[4:56] <SSilver2k2> i have to get back to work on that one
[4:56] <SSilver2k2> i was playing KoF 98 for a bit
[4:56] <SSilver2k2> and then the graphics on it just went to poop
[4:57] <ReggieUK> what resolution is your screen set to?
[4:57] <Syliss> hmm, wouldn't mind making a distro just for the lapdock
[4:57] <SSilver2k2> it was sprite corruption, like my rom set had a bad dump
[4:57] <SSilver2k2> its also what happens when my real neogeo has bad contacts???so im thinking bad roms
[4:57] <ReggieUK> my main worry is the pi having to try and render itty bitty res games to big res screens
[4:58] <SSilver2k2> well, my "main" monitor for my pi is a 13inch CRT TV and ssh...
[4:59] <SSilver2k2> sometimes i hook it up via hdmi
[4:59] <ReggieUK> are you using raspbian?
[4:59] <ReggieUK> that might help
[4:59] <ReggieUK> using hardfloat
[4:59] <Syliss> i just started using mine on my old 22" lcd monitor, running darkelec
[4:59] <SSilver2k2> debian
[5:00] <Syliss> airplay is so nice with my iphone
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[5:00] <SSilver2k2> nice syliss
[5:00] <ReggieUK> did I post the link to the gpio-keys/gpio-mouse stuff?
[5:00] <SSilver2k2> what are you using for airplay?
[5:01] <Syliss> its part of darkelec
[5:01] <SSilver2k2> on my blog or in the forum?
[5:01] <ReggieUK> on your blog
[5:01] <SSilver2k2> yes you did :)
[5:01] <ReggieUK> cool
[5:01] <hadifarnoud> SSilver2k2: can u use Pi for airplay?
[5:01] <ReggieUK> another way to claw back cpu would be to turn usb off
[5:01] <Syliss> i plan on hooking it back to my tv and stream twit via airplayy
[5:02] <Syliss> hadifarnoud: yes, i was using it yesterday and the day before
[5:02] <ReggieUK> so gpio or serial keyboard/mouse/joystick would be ideal
[5:02] <SSilver2k2> ive never played with airplay, except at a friends place with his ipad and apple tv, and the mirroring is really cool. im excited for it in mountain lion
[5:02] <hadifarnoud> cool. can u link me to a tut?
[5:02] <Syliss> me too
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[5:03] <ReggieUK> SSilver2k2, there's also a keyboard_matrix.c file too, so you can go mad with a control surface
[5:03] <Syliss> hadifarnoud: http://darkimmortal.com/2012/05/darkelec-raspberry-pi-optimised-openelec-fork/
[5:03] <ReggieUK> 2 sticks and 16 buttons :)
[5:03] <hadifarnoud> thanks mate
[5:03] <Syliss> np
[5:03] <SSilver2k2> ReggieUK: too bad none of the 6 buttons fighters are playing smooth enough yet
[5:03] <Syliss> its much better than openelec
[5:03] <SSilver2k2> my goal is Marvel Vs Capcom
[5:03] <Syliss> lol
[5:03] <ReggieUK> there's also rotary encoder stuff in there too
[5:04] <Syliss> well i will be back in a bit
[5:04] <SSilver2k2> right now Street Fighter 2 is playable but at 3/4 speed
[5:04] <ReggieUK> so trackballs, spinners could be easily interfaced
[5:04] <SpeedEvil> It would be interesting to see what the results of rmmod usb_ohci - in an appropriately configured kernel was.
[5:04] <SSilver2k2> i dont know if you seen the 60 in 1 JAMMA boards
[5:04] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, 20% apparently
[5:04] <SpeedEvil> In terms of CPU usage
[5:04] <SpeedEvil> Interesting
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[5:05] <SSilver2k2> its 60 games in 1 that are made to go straight into a JAMMA arcade cabinet, the baord itself was dumped and apparently playable in MAME (which is funny because it runs an embedded MAME)
[5:05] <ReggieUK> SSilver2k2, I've looked at them from afar
[5:05] <SSilver2k2> so MAME is running MAME emulating an emulator emulating games
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[5:06] <ReggieUK> just sounds like it's waiting to fall over in a glorious heap
[5:06] <SSilver2k2> the failure rate on the boards is astounding. they are bootlegs in general, and theres no testing
[5:07] <DaQatz> Anyone try snes emu on the pi yet?
[5:07] <SSilver2k2> DaQatz: working on it
[5:07] * SpeedEvil wants a proper datasheet.
[5:07] <DaQatz> SSilver2k2: Which emu you working on?
[5:07] <DaQatz> Or a custom?
[5:08] <SSilver2k2> ReggieUK: i want to build another custom arcade control panel just for the Pi
[5:08] <SSilver2k2> and use GPIO
[5:08] <SSilver2k2> maybe a bartop cabinet :)
[5:08] <SSilver2k2> DaQatz: Im trying to get AdvanceMESS working right now
[5:09] <DaQatz> Ahh
[5:09] <SSilver2k2> which i belive has a SNES module
[5:09] <DaQatz> I would like to try snes9x on it.
[5:09] <DaQatz> See how it preforms.
[5:09] <ReggieUK> SSilver2k2, I'm thinking along those lines too
[5:09] <ReggieUK> as an alt function for a pi :)
[5:10] <DaQatz> Would love some a adapter so I could plug old carts right into it.
[5:10] <OCA|> Hmm.. I noticed an MMC IRQ timeout when doing rpi-update, but I haven't seen any more errors or timeouts on this setup since. Should I be concerned?
[5:11] <ReggieUK> SSilver2k2, I got this set recently
[5:11] <ReggieUK> found an old ps2 keyboard, took the board out, tapped out the matrix :)
[5:12] <megatog615> SSilver2k2: Advance* is old as sin
[5:12] <SSilver2k2> yes it is
[5:12] <SSilver2k2> but thats good
[5:12] <megatog615> it probably wont run any new roms
[5:12] <ReggieUK> OCA|, it should be ok, unless you get more issues
[5:13] <SSilver2k2> megatog615: its older and its before MAME went for accuracy over performance
[5:13] <OCA|> ReggieUK: Great, thanks!
[5:13] <ReggieUK> I'd like to see gpsp get another airing
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[5:14] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/Didj_gpSP_GBA_Emulator
[5:15] <ReggieUK> if it can run on a didj (arm9, 393mhz, no floating point, no 2d acelleration) then it should easily run on a pi
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[5:16] <ReggieUK> although it's beyond my skill level for sure
[5:17] <SSilver2k2> DaQatz: https://sites.google.com/site/bearoso/ - source code to snes9x
[5:17] * ThisIsALie is now known as ImPoor
[5:17] <SSilver2k2> i think im going to try compiling it tonight
[5:17] <dlynes> Is there any cheap way to get a vga monitor hooked up to the Pi?
[5:17] <hadifarnoud> does any1 knows JS here?
[5:17] <megatog615> i would like to see current mame running on raspbian
[5:17] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, js? javascript?
[5:17] <SSilver2k2> actually, BRB, im going to go try compiling that now.
[5:17] <hadifarnoud> yep
[5:17] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, specific to the pi?
[5:18] <hadifarnoud> kinda, I use midori on Pi and use a userscript
[5:18] <hadifarnoud> a little problem I have with this passowrd manager script
[5:18] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, ah...I know it a bit...haven't used it on my pi yet though...just got it in from dhl today
[5:19] <megatog615> SSilver2k2: good luck, it doesn't
[5:19] <SSilver2k2> what errors do you get
[5:19] <megatog615> abound
[5:19] <plugwash> dlynes, you need an active converter and those don't come particually cheap, you can find ones from suppliers that you've never heard of that supposedly work for less than a new monitor would cost
[5:19] <hadifarnoud> can u have a look here please dlynes http://userscripts.org/topics/113440
[5:19] <plugwash> but it still looks expensive in light of the price of the Pi
[5:19] <megatog615> SSilver2k2: don't use gcc-4.6, it triggers an internal bug in gcc
[5:19] <dlynes> plugwash, no cheap converters for the composite video port, either?
[5:20] <megatog615> SSilver2k2: then after you get past that, you need to somehow get it to link
[5:20] <dlynes> plugwash, or maybe a cheap usb to vga device?
[5:20] <megatog615> because it won't for me
[5:20] <megatog615> there's a reason it's not in raspbian right now
[5:21] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, what's the problem?
[5:21] <plugwash> according to the wiki http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007KEIRNG works and isn't too expensive
[5:21] <hadifarnoud> it saves passwords fine. I want it to post the form and login automatically too
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[5:23] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, have you tested to make sure it does what you want already, on a webpage, outside of the pi environment?
[5:23] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, or is this completely new functionality that you want to have it implement?
[5:23] <ReggieUK> I looked at those the other day plugwash
[5:23] <ReggieUK> the price makes them interesting
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[5:24] <hadifarnoud> dlynes: it's new functionality
[5:24] <hadifarnoud> cant fine any other script that works on midori
[5:24] <ReggieUK> what we need is someone to buy one and take it apart
[5:24] <ReggieUK> and take hi res photos
[5:24] <hadifarnoud> there are Chrome extensions and stuff, but doesn't work on Pi dlynes
[5:25] <hadifarnoud> I have no js knowledge. I don't know how to edit js file to make it post the form after filling user pass.
[5:26] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, formObject.submit()
[5:26] <hadifarnoud> thanks. I try to find the right place for it.
[5:26] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, so, assuming you have something like <form id="blahblah" ...>....</form>, you can do document.getElementById("blahblah").submit()
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[5:27] <bnmorgan> argh i still can't get it to take the PW for synaptic
[5:27] <hadifarnoud> chhers dlynes. you're a star
[5:28] <SSilver2k2> what id lvoe to see working on a Pi is the USB to display adapters
[5:28] <SirFunk> anyone compile the rtl 8192 driver themselves for the edimax usb adapters?
[5:28] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, for more info: http://dev.w3.org/html5/pf-summary/forms.html
[5:28] <SSilver2k2> we use USB to VGA and USB to DVI all the time at work for 3rd monitors
[5:29] <ReggieUK> not keen on the usb as it stands on the pi
[5:29] <SSilver2k2> gotta "borrow" one for a while and see if it can work on the pi
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[5:30] <ReggieUK> the hdmi to vga adapter looks more appealing (if they work)
[5:30] <plugwash> given that many Pi setups will already be shoving both ethernet and storage down the one USB port and given the poor quality of the USB driver I don't think USB displays on the Pi are a particually good idea
[5:30] <ReggieUK> I concur
[5:31] <dlynes> plugwash, so the 2nd usb port is still using the same bandwidth as the first one, I guess?
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[5:31] <bnmorgan> any ideas how/why i can't get the rpi/debian to accept the password to run synaptic?
[5:31] <ReggieUK> dlynes, yup
[5:31] <plugwash> dlynes, both USB ports on the Pi go to a "USB hub with ethernet" chip
[5:31] <plugwash> which then has a single USB connection back to the main SOC
[5:31] <dlynes> ReggieUK, ah...well, can't expect too much for a lousy $35 :o
[5:31] <ReggieUK> yup
[5:32] <SSilver2k2> you know, a lot of things aren't good ideas???.doesnt mean it still isnt fun to do lol
[5:32] <ReggieUK> well, we can kind of :)
[5:32] <ReggieUK> giving us more information on the usb would help
[5:32] <SSilver2k2> buying a full size sit down crazy taxi wasn't my best idea, but its still damn cool to have
[5:32] <ReggieUK> if they want the community to fix these things, they need to help out a little
[5:32] <SSilver2k2> throw us a bone?
[5:33] <dlynes> ReggieUK, I'd rather think about what I can do with the GPIO, those two sockets that don't seem to be identified, and whatever that other set of pins is for
[5:33] <ReggieUK> which 2 sockets that don't seem to be identified?
[5:33] <bnmorgan> ZIFs
[5:33] <dlynes> ReggieUK, the two that are capped
[5:33] <ReggieUK> you mean the 2 with yellow kapton on them
[5:33] <bnmorgan> yeah
[5:33] <ReggieUK> they're the CSI/DSI connectors
[5:33] <ReggieUK> camera/display
[5:33] <dlynes> ReggieUK, oh...for hooking up a touch screen?
[5:34] <dlynes> ReggieUK, and/or camera?
[5:34] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=16
[5:34] <ReggieUK> basically, the foundation are looking at a some screens/cameras with a view to releasing one of each
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[5:34] <ReggieUK> but it'll be as good as proprietary
[5:35] <ReggieUK> so we'll get camera functions exposed to us
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[5:35] <ReggieUK> but won't get teh source code
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[5:39] <SSilver2k2> LOL???.so on my blog, i link to amazon selling the mini keyboard combo thingie???.i get like 60cents everytime one actually gets bought, not a big deal. i really like the device???but apparently, if you click that link and then buy something else, i still get credit
[5:39] <bnmorgan> found my problem
[5:39] <bnmorgan> there wasn't a passwd
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[5:41] <maden> hi. I just received my email saying I'm next in queue... and I could place my order with RS. I however heard chocking stories about how shitty their service is. Should I wait and buy it off elsewhere in the future or take a chance with them^
[5:41] <maden> ?*
[5:42] <hermanhermitage> take a shot
[5:42] <hermanhermitage> and put another order elsewhere :-)
[5:42] <maden> what?
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[5:42] <hermanhermitage> maden: complete your RS order
[5:42] <hermanhermitage> maden: but maybe also try a order thru element14/farnell
[5:42] <maden> yes that I got. but why puot another order elsewhere?
[5:42] <hermanhermitage> yes do both
[5:43] <maden> hmm
[5:43] <OllieMorfik> and sell one to me
[5:43] <hermanhermitage> then sell extra one
[5:43] <hermanhermitage> yeah
[5:43] <maden> oh..
[5:43] <maden> seems like a lot of trouble
[5:43] <hermanhermitage> because u never know hen it come
[5:43] <maden> I'll just take my chance with RS.
[5:43] <hermanhermitage> hen=when
[5:44] <ReggieUK> maden, mind your language please
[5:44] <maden> ReggieUK: sorry? what did I say wrong
[5:45] <maden> Oh ... wow ok sorry
[5:45] <bnmorgan> how sh***y their service is
[5:45] <OllieMorfik> building angstom la la la la
[5:45] <bnmorgan> i guess...i dunno it's the nearest thing i saw to offensive.
[5:45] <OllieMorfik> i need a faster computer so i dont have to wait a day
[5:46] <ReggieUK> that was it, we've moved on...
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[5:46] <OllieMorfik> who wants to donate 100$ so i can build a proper build host?
[5:46] <bnmorgan> suggest a good video player please?
[5:46] <ReggieUK> on that note, I'm off to bed, g'night
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[5:47] <OllieMorfik> NOTE: Running task 732 of 1147 (ID: 840, virtual:native:/media/hdd1/RasPi/oe/setup-scripts/sources/openembedded-core/meta/recipes-support/lzo/lzo_2.06.bb, do_compile)
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[5:48] <hadifarnoud> dlynes: it worked!!!
[5:48] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, congrats :O
[5:48] <hadifarnoud> cheers
[5:48] <hadifarnoud> :D
[5:48] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, I still need to get video on mine :o
[5:49] <hadifarnoud> what's wrong?
[5:49] <hadifarnoud> I can help with that :D
[5:49] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, I don't have a composite monitor, or an HDMI monitor
[5:49] <hadifarnoud> dlynes: u have ssh installed?
[5:49] <OllieMorfik> check craigslist
[5:49] <hadifarnoud> try x11vnc dlynes
[5:49] <OllieMorfik> vnc is slow
[5:49] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, oh...you can use x11vnc and ssh to get in?
[5:49] <hadifarnoud> atm is the best option OllieMorfik
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[5:50] <hadifarnoud> ssh to install x11vnc
[5:50] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, I'm kinda wanting to double purpose this machine...both as a hacking box for me, and as a desktop computer for my wife
[5:50] <hadifarnoud> I guess you need to auto login to terminal dlynes
[5:51] <hadifarnoud> and then startx in bash_profile
[5:51] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, no need for autologin
[5:51] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, ah..you mean for that...the old slackware method :o
[5:51] <hadifarnoud> u dont have video, how to login dlynes
[5:51] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, I'll get around to that after I've got video happening
[5:51] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, someone mentioned an hdmi to vga cable that supposedly works
[5:52] <hadifarnoud> u have one dlynes?
[5:52] <dlynes> hadifarnoud, Just gotta find a supplier for it in Canada
[5:52] <hadifarnoud> it should work I think
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[5:52] <dlynes> it's better than paying $200 for an hdmi to vga converter box
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[5:57] <OllieMorfik> still think you should check craigslist for some curb alert tv's first
[5:58] <OllieMorfik> dont you get tv's in canada for free? i thought they were communist or socialist
[5:58] <OllieMorfik> heh
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[6:16] <rredd4> how do i get java to work on the web browser? i downloaded openjdk
[6:17] <hadifarnoud> does any1 know how to use cron/command to open a page with midori?
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[6:18] <eric2> I just wrote the latest debian squeeze .img to my SD card and booted it in the raspberry pi. It dropped me down to the command line. Is that supposed to happen? How do I get LXDE going?
[6:18] <bnmorgan> startx
[6:19] * bnmorgan cheers, finally learning enough to answer a question.
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[6:22] * rredd4 understands, bnmorgan
[6:23] <bnmorgan> well, it isn't saying much, considering i'm still clueless but anyway.
[6:23] <rredd4> yeah, i can't seem to get java working on any web browswer
[6:23] <hadifarnoud> when I type $midori google.com in terminal. doesn't work. but in uxterm it works
[6:24] <hadifarnoud> why?
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[6:31] <bnmorgan> how would i resize the main partition from inside the pi
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[6:41] <eric2> On debian squeeze, in LXDE, how does one find network settings?
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[6:47] <rredd4> preferences>network tools
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[6:47] <bnmorgan> i think he just gave up
[6:47] <bnmorgan> but, suggest how ic an get my sd card resized?
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[6:51] <rredd4> http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions
[6:51] <rredd4> hope that helps bnmorgan
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[8:18] <Raynerd> Morning, http://stuffaboutcode.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/raspberry-pi-setting-static-ip-address.html What is the value he has given to network? I don`t see where this has come from
[8:18] <Raynerd> and broadcast for that matter?
[8:20] <OllieMorfik> what
[8:20] <OllieMorfik>
[8:22] <Raynerd> network ?
[8:23] <Raynerd> was the static ip he was giving to the RasPi I presumed.
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[8:23] <OllieMorfik> yea
[8:24] <Raynerd> netmask I can see on my router config is also as he has written, so I presume that is the same for me
[8:24] <Raynerd> however, not idea where the network has come from and I don`t know what to use or look for
[8:24] <Raynerd> not = no (too early and awake with 3 y/o daughter
[8:26] <Raynerd> likewise with the "broadcast" line.... then the last line is the Gateway, router ip. So it is just the network and broadcast lines I`m not sure what I should be using
[8:26] <OllieMorfik>
[8:26] <OllieMorfik> all you need is gateway/subnet/address
[8:26] <Raynerd> so they are not relevent?
[8:27] <OllieMorfik> gateway
[8:27] <gordonDrogon> 'morning Pi peeps!
[8:27] <OllieMorfik> i dont know really dhcp all the way
[8:28] <OllieMorfik> my oe angstrom build is coming along nicely
[8:29] <OllieMorfik> Running task 940 of 1147
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[8:29] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, in that posting, technically spevifying the network & broadcast isn't needed - it's a bit of a hang-over from some olden days.
[8:30] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, but the network is the zero'th IP address in the range and the broadcast is the last one. The IP address and the netmask defines the range bounds.
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[8:31] <rpi01> Linux raspbian 3.1.9+ #128 PREEMPT Thu Jun 21 01:59:01 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[8:33] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi2 3.2.20+ #1 PREEMPT Mon Jun 18 10:39:49 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[8:34] <Raynerd> gordonDrogon - OK cheers!! :-s
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[8:35] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, I was never sure why they were ever there to be honest... Given the IP address and netmask, you can calculate the network and broadcast...
[8:35] <OllieMorfik> in a sane network
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> :)
[8:41] <Raynerd> if I`ve done a ping to my ip address and it tells me the host is unreachable... it just keeps trying and trying... how do I break the cycle!
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[8:42] <rpi01> Ctrl+C
[8:42] <Raynerd> nice one
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[8:44] <Raynerd> I know I asked this last night but I think I`ve actually managed to do this now! Are there any security issues opening up my pi as a server for a webpage?? If the security risk is for them accessing the pi then that isn`t so bad, if it was my LAN then I`d be a little more upset (still not a right lot on there!)
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[8:45] <rpi01> what like a webpage?
[8:46] <DaQatz> Raynerd: There are security issues with every port you open. They pi is no more or less secure then any other device.
[8:46] <Raynerd> yes, it is simply running a simple page
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[8:46] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, if you arrange the network/firewall/router to only allow port 80 to the pi then that's a start.
[8:46] <Raynerd> yes, that is how it is setup.
[8:46] <gordonDrogon> The Pi running debian has a number of accounts that may be a security risk.
[8:46] <Raynerd> It is Bthomehub and it purely pushes port 80 to the raspi ip address
[8:47] <gordonDrogon> then there's the software running on port 80 - a simple webserver with no php/perl/cgi should be fine...
[8:47] <OllieMorfik> zomg flame viruz
[8:47] <Raynerd> ahh, it is index.php it is running!
[8:48] <gordonDrogon> there's nothing intrinisically different from the Pi to any other Linux box, so just read up on generic security, etc.
[8:48] <Raynerd> ok
[8:48] <gordonDrogon> I do this for part of my living... (host servers, etc.)
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[8:50] <gordonDrogon> brb breakfast calls...
[8:50] <Raynerd> Can you please tell me... using my pi as a host web server?
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[8:51] <Raynerd> **am I (what is the proper name for what i`m doing!!)
[8:51] <OllieMorfik> trolling me
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[8:52] <Raynerd> :-(
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[9:07] <OllieMorfik> gimmie a sec
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[9:15] <OllieMorfik> http://raspi.us.to
[9:16] <OllieMorfik> Raynerd:
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[9:32] <dwatkins> phpsysinfo is handy
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[9:34] <OllieMorfik> there i changed the index
[9:34] <OllieMorfik> its way more useful now
[9:39] <dwatkins> good job I'm not susceptible to flashing images ;)
[9:41] <OllieMorfik> music too
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[9:42] <OllieMorfik> youre missing out
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[9:44] <Gadgetoid> OllieMorfik: OMG, ponies!
[9:44] <Trickierstinky> anyone give me a hand with an uptime shell script?
[9:44] <Trickierstinky> sorry shell command
[9:45] <dwatkins> What do you want it to show, Trickierstinky?
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[9:46] <Trickierstinky> well I have used awk to get it to display the hours if < day old however now my pi > day it's just show 1 day
[9:46] <Trickierstinky> so I would like it to show day and time
[9:46] <Trickierstinky> and if day not there just show time
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[9:47] <Trickierstinky> basically UPTIME=$(uptime | awk -F, '{sub(".*up ",x,$1);print $1}')
[9:48] <Gadgetoid> Hmmm, I did my last bit of processing in Ruby for sys info
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[9:50] <Gadgetoid> Trickierstinky: protip: cat /proc/uptime
[9:51] <Trickierstinky> ?_? that simple, DOH!
[9:51] <dwatkins> Trickierstinky: there's a python function to return uptime in seconds, which you could then parse into whatever units you like.
[9:51] <Gadgetoid> First is uptime in seconds, just translate that into time as required
[9:52] <Trickierstinky> thanks guys
[9:52] <dwatkins> heh, even easier :)
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[9:54] <Gadgetoid> I should probably use that, I just use a pretty much raw uptime in pi.gadgetoid.co.uk
[9:54] <Gadgetoid> And if I'm honest, my brain doesn't grok the load averages so they're a little redundant there
[9:54] <Trickierstinky> thats site is awesome love the stats
[9:55] <dwatkins> yeah, load average isn't the same as cpu load anyway
[9:55] <Trickierstinky> bookmarked your site :)
[9:56] <dwatkins> Gadgetoid: that page looks great
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> Trickierstinky, you could try another approache with uptime - if you cat /proc/uptime, you'll get 'raw' numbers.
[9:57] <gordonDrogon> Trickierstinky, then write your own program to interpert those and print as desired (in C, or whatever)
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[9:58] <Trickierstinky> thanks gordonDrogon, yeah using that method now thanks to Gadgetoid :D
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> Trickierstinky, Ah. I really must learn to read more before I reply - Doh!
[10:00] <Trickierstinky> I did unix course at uni for a year and it's surprising how little i understand
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[10:00] <gordonDrogon> Trickierstinky, I've been using/working with/programming/etc/ unix for over 30 years now and I still learn...
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> Trickierstinky, your probably the last person to use awk though :)
[10:01] <Trickierstinky> lol
[10:02] <OllieMorfik> whats wrong with awk?
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> nothing. nothing at all!
[10:02] <Trickierstinky> yay http://twitter.com/TrickierStinky/status/216440109669679104 ><
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> but it fell out of favour when perl came along, then it just got worse...
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> When you get close to: 09:01:56 up 1334 days, 11:07, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00, do let me know ;-)
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[10:04] <Trickierstinky> lol
[10:05] <OllieMorfik> my oe build is almost finished
[10:05] <OllieMorfik> i have no idea what its building though
[10:05] <OllieMorfik> heh
[10:05] <OllieMorfik> i told it to just compile the kernel but it looks like its making a full system
[10:06] <OllieMorfik> its taken allday
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> oe ?
[10:07] <OllieMorfik> openembedded
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> ok
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> anyone here do/did any graphis programming with old fashioned sprites?
[10:08] <Gadgetoid> I'm somewhat glad I shunned Uni, but regret not sticking at electronics in college
[10:08] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: oo, doing something with your BASIC?
[10:08] <Trickierstinky> Gadgetoid : is your site running on the pi?
[10:08] <Gadgetoid> Trickierstinky: indeed
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes - I have sprites in it - works well, but I want to implement simple, but effective collision detection. Just thinking of implementing the 80% rule, then leave it up to users if they want anything better.... just wanted some feedback...
[10:09] <Trickierstinky> Awesome! really do love the stats pannel
[10:09] <Gadgetoid> Trickierstinky: I smoothed it out with a caching proxy, though, so it's not 100% raw unadulterated Pi
[10:10] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: there's generally nothing much more complex than a simple collision detection, and it'll all be done on pixels
[10:10] <Trickierstinky> ahh right, and I thought speeding up mediawiki with sqlite was an achievement, but you put me to shame
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yea, non transparent pixel collision would be the 'perfect' way, but it's slow ...
[10:11] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: ah, so you want to implement bounding box collision and let them check the pixels if it trips?
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes, but allow for a 20% overlap
[10:12] <tech2077> whoo, just sent in my blog post to hackaday
[10:12] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: it's really *that* slow?
[10:12] <Gadgetoid> tech2077: which one?
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, e.g. just checking the boxes will give you a collision when they don't appear to touch if the sprites are circles...
[10:13] <Gadgetoid> I clearly need to do cooler things with the Pi!
[10:13] <tech2077> i2c control of HD44780 lcds using a cheap i2c port expander
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, to do it at the pixel level needs to scan each pixel for non-transparent ones overlapping...
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, this page seems to be one of the better ones to explain it: http://www.gamedev.net/page/resources/_/technical/game-programming/collision-detection-r735
[10:13] <tech2077> theres so few raspberry pi posts on hackaday, i think i have a chance
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[10:14] <Gadgetoid> I've done a lot of circle to circle collision, but haven't got particularly advanced on much else
[10:14] <rlp10> i've just got my rpi working for the first time, yay! :)
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, think 'bullet' hitting 'space invader' ...
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> rlp10, well done!
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: probably not the best example, as those could be pretty easily bounded with rectangles :D
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[10:16] <Gadgetoid> Just provide simple circle and rectangle collision checks and let them call a pixel collision check if they feel like being uber accurate
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, sure, but it's easy to code for specific instances, this is a BASIC interpreter, so the sprites could be any shape!
[10:16] <rlp10> I'm working remotely through ssh. I want to play a video using mplayer. Do I have to install X, I heard there was a way of directing using the graphics card without X, but I can't find any documentation about it.
[10:16] <Gadgetoid> With bullet to space invader you can pretty much binary partition your whole game and discount 80% of the invaders from collision checks simply by knowing they're way too far away
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I'm being general - the bullet is long rectangle, the invader square - just an example.
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, so the circles one wouldn't fit there.
[10:17] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Usually box collision is fine, but if you need "pixel perfect" first do the box text for trivial rejection (and then only check for pixel hits when needed).
[10:17] <Gadgetoid> efficient collision is all about magic and trickery, so implementing it in a general way wouldn't ever result in anything fast or efficient
[10:17] <Xark> box test*
[10:18] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: the problem being that ordinarily you would have to check if that bullet collided with every space invader, one at a time, which is where even bounding box collision becomes inefficient... half your checks are redundant
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> Xark, yea. thinking now of giving the user 3 functions... simple box, 80% box, then full-on pixel check - let them decide how slow the program runs :)
[10:18] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: do that, but add circle too
[10:19] <Gadgetoid> And let the user add optimisation techniques to get around some of the slowness of better methods
[10:19] * gordonDrogon starts to mutter about pythagoras
[10:19] <plugwash> Gadgetoid, trick is you use some crude approximation to check if things might have collided
[10:19] <Xark> gordonDrogon: OK, but you understand that you would want a combination (i.e., stupid to do a pixel check if the box check says sprites aren't close).
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> Xark, sure.
[10:19] <plugwash> and if you think they might have collided then you do more intensive checks to see if they actually have collided
[10:19] <Gadgetoid> plugwash: partitioning your gamespace into sectors and keeping track of which sector an object is in is a basic but effective method
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> well, I'll do some tests. it might be that just being "good enough" is good enough...
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> this is BASIC afterall, and not some 'retina' level display animation :)
[10:20] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: you know what they say about premature optimisation :D
[10:20] <tech2077> i seems that people are seeing my blog
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, absolutely!
[10:20] <tech2077> so that meens hackaday got it
[10:20] <Gadgetoid> Anyway, off out! I *really* need to play with your BASIC!!
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[10:20] <rlp10> Anyone any pointers for me with the video problem?
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[10:21] <tech2077> now i hope it gets accepted :}
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> rlp10, probably best to login on the console to start with if you can. mplayer needs X (I think) and may not be the best thing to play videos with, but it's not an area I'm an expert in (I don't play videos)
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, which hackday?
[10:21] <OllieMorfik> omxplayer or whats it
[10:22] <rlp10> gordonDrogon: ok thanks for that
[10:22] <Xark> rlp10: You can't (realistically) play video via ssh or vnc. However, you don't need X for Opengl ES or video per se. There is a demo video player in /opt/vc/src (and a sample snippet of 1080 video).
[10:22] <tech2077> gordonDrogon, ?
[10:22] <rlp10> OllieMorfik: omxplayer is a different video player for the rpi?
[10:22] <Xark> rlp10: It will play on the HDMI / composite port for video and graphics though.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, your going on about some hackday - what/where/why, etc.?
[10:23] <tech2077> gordonDrogon, hack-a-day
[10:23] <rlp10> Xark: that's what I want, I've got the rpi plugged into tv through hdmi and I'm controlling from ssh
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, yes, there are lots all over the place all the time...
[10:23] <tech2077> the hacker and maker blog
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> Oh Make Magazine...
[10:23] <tech2077> www.hackaday.com
[10:23] <Xark> rlp10: Well, I am not sure about a "user friendly player" but there is a little command line player with source.
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> back in a tick. gotta help load up wifeys car.
[10:24] <rlp10> Do you need to login at the console on the pi to play video over the top, or will it work fine from the login screen? Remember I'll be launching the video from an ssh session.
[10:25] <Xark> rlp10: I have been logging in via ssh (or serial console) and running the OpenGL and video player examples (which play on my HDMI tv).
[10:25] <Xark> rlp10: No X memory waste needed.
[10:25] <OllieMorfik> DISPLAY=:0.0
[10:26] <rlp10> Xark: that's just what I need. And what software are you using to play the video?
[10:26] <tech2077> http://tech2077.blogspot.com/2012/06/running-hd44780-lcd-over-i2c-on.html
[10:26] <tech2077> first time doing something like this
[10:26] <tech2077> so not the greatest quality
[10:26] <Xark> rlp10: Just the sample stuff included on the RPi Debian in /opt/vc/source
[10:27] <rlp10> Xark: ok thanks for your help :)
[10:28] <Xark> tech2077: Nice! :D
[10:29] <tech2077> if i actually get onto hackaday
[10:29] <tech2077> then adsense seems like a good idea...
[10:29] <Xark> tech2077: I would sure think they would accept this (based on some other things I have seen there recently).
[10:30] <tech2077> heh
[10:30] <tech2077> the hardest part was pictures
[10:30] <tech2077> and making it sound somewhat good
[10:30] <Xark> tech2077: Sure, but they are nice (and yes, without them "it didn't happen"). :)
[10:31] <tech2077> :D
[10:31] <tech2077> true
[10:31] <tech2077> "pics of gtfo!" :P
[10:31] <tech2077> or*
[10:31] <Xark> tech2077: A video is good too if you can make one.
[10:31] <tech2077> i'll likely make one in the morning
[10:31] <tech2077> it's almost 4am here
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[10:32] <Xark> tech2077: Hehe, I know the feeling lately (since the electronics bug has bitten me). :)
[10:32] <tech2077> i actually took a while to tweak a old digital camera so the pictures would be decent
[10:33] <tech2077> now i can't really ever take nice blog posts for granted
[10:34] <Xark> tech2077: Yeah, it is non-trival to make a site that looks "slick".
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[10:35] * tech2077 loves seeing the stats section actually have data
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[10:35] <Xark> tech2077: What is the little breakout board (not the FTDI one)?
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[10:36] <Xark> Oh, temp sensor. :)
[10:36] <tech2077> yeah
[10:36] <tech2077> nice sparkfun tmp102
[10:37] <Xark> tech2077: Nice. Is your whole circuit 3.3v?
[10:38] <tech2077> actually no
[10:38] <tech2077> the lcd is 5v
[10:38] <tech2077> but the io expander is 5v tolerant and on a 3.3v line with the tmp102
[10:38] <Xark> tech2077: Ahh. Yeah, that is why it has green wires from the "DIP switch" board (presumably your power).
[10:38] <tech2077> yeah
[10:39] <tech2077> wires for board, backlight, lcd, and ground shutoff to just kill everything easily
[10:39] <Xark> tech2077: Also you might take another picture showing how you are getting wires out from RPi (hard to see in your photo - dark).
[10:39] <tech2077> sadly that won't do much
[10:40] <tech2077> i have a bus pirate cable since i didn't have any regular MtF cables
[10:40] <Xark> tech2077: No worries. I only mention it because I am curious. Ahh, I see.
[10:40] <tech2077> i'll edit that now though
[10:41] <Xark> tech2077: I had a few female to male 12" breadboard wires that have been handy for that (although I have only pulled serial to FTDI so far).
[10:41] <tech2077> if anyone doesn't mind, if you liked the post, send a nice tip about it to hackaday
[10:43] <rlp10> omxplayer is working great. thanks so much for your help all
[10:43] <tech2077> nice 7/7 linux/windows break on viewings
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[10:46] <KaiNeR> Is gentoo available for raspberrypi?
[10:46] <OllieMorfik> lul
[10:46] <tech2077> lol
[10:46] <tech2077> NaiNer, not in that it can be built on the device
[10:46] <rlp10> KaiNeR: yes i think i saw a page about rpi on the gentoo wiki. try googling for it
[10:46] <KaiNeR> Cheers
[10:46] <OllieMorfik> yeah its on the gentoo wiki
[10:47] <KaiNeR> Mint, thanks
[10:47] <OllieMorfik> i wonder how long it takes somone to complete that walkthrough
[10:47] <plugwash> KaiNeR, apparently some people have got it to work through cross-building, building it on the device itself isn't considered practical afaict
[10:47] <KaiNeR> I'll let you know when I'm done
[10:47] <OllieMorfik> heh
[10:47] <OllieMorfik> hint if you want to compile stuff allday try openembedded
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[10:48] <plugwash> The Pi just doesn't have the memory for compling larger packages, heck even the IMX boards with 1 gig of ram we use for building raspbian swap heavilly on some builds
[10:48] <KaiNeR> Any recommendations on fast SD cards to go for?
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[10:51] <terranigma> im sure class 10 is fast enough
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[10:51] <terranigma> wonder if sdxc will eve rbe supported
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[10:51] <tech2077> terranigma, not likely
[10:52] <tech2077> is it a official standard now?
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[10:52] <terranigma> yes?
[10:53] <tech2077> then eventually
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[10:53] <Xark> One issue is MS requires royalty payments for it (since the standards mandates their filesystem).
[10:54] <terranigma> u can reformat with fat32
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[10:54] <Lord_Havoc_> Hey! Wanna learn how to hack from people who actually "know" how to manipulate computers/networks?! Well you can right now by just joining our chat and asking questions. We're all patient and help people who dont understand. Join chat.us.freenode.net (6665) chan #hl2 See ya online!
[10:54] <Xark> terranigma: Yes, but you must still pay MS (if you make cards or claim compatibility).
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[10:55] <OllieMorfik> fricken ads :P
[10:55] <terranigma> u only pay ms anythign if u use exfat
[10:55] <terranigma> not for using sdxc
[10:56] <Xark> terranigma: Yes, but if you "support" SDXC then you _must_ support MS's custom filesystem (since it is part of the standard). That is all I am saying. This is slowing adoption.
[10:56] <OllieMorfik> i watched a bill gates talk about vaccines "and how they're so good for you and stuff then he slips and mentions they are good because of "population reduction"
[10:57] <Trickierstinky> oo so bored now not sure what to do
[10:57] <dwatkins> OllieMorfik: how can vacciunes result in population reduction?
[10:57] <tech2077> lol
[10:58] <dwatkins> vaccines even
[10:58] <OllieMorfik> splice bad stuff in
[10:59] <reider59> I have a book upstairs in my collection. It goes like this...People are stood in a queue in a convenience store. It's taking ages to get served and the guy at the front of the queue is fathing about looking for his 50 cents off coupon. A guy behind him says here I`ll cover that, let me have it back when you hit your first million.
[10:59] <reider59> the guy with the coupon was Bill Gates
[10:59] <dwatkins> ah, the Aschen effect
[10:59] <dwatkins> (Stargate reference)
[11:00] <reider59> Think the book was Incidental Empires
[11:00] <terranigma> looks liek it does support 1 sdxc card
[11:01] <terranigma> be it its probably a first generation one with sdhc speeds
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[11:04] <gordonDrogon> How could a hardware maker get so locked into Microsoft! That's like buying a seagate HDD and saying you can only run NTFS on in and by the ay, you need to pay MS for this..
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> ah well. time to do some other work. some cooking I think...
[11:05] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: contracts ;)
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> yea, the whole thing reeks of reekyness.
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[11:06] <Arch-RPi> anyone know how to change the font on the console....during the boot it chanes to a thin like font....i would like the terinal font back
[11:07] <dwatkins> Arch-RPi: I don't know, but in the past I've done this with 'setfont', there should be something in /etc/init.d somewhere that sets it with this command.
[11:07] <Arch-RPi> dwatkins: ok let me look
[11:07] <dwatkins> just grep -R for 'setfont' in /etc, perhaps
[11:07] <dwatkins> Arch-RPi: which distro are you running?
[11:08] <Arch-RPi> raspbian pisces+mate
[11:08] <dwatkins> I've not tried this, might give it a go.
[11:10] <Arch-RPi> well i see alot of setfonts but not to a certian font
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[11:10] <Trickierstinky> Gadetoid: mind given me a insight into how you did that load stats and keep them updating?
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[11:11] <dwatkins> Arch-RPi: there's also consolechars, iirc
[11:12] <Trieste> Hi, if I want to make my pi into a media centre, is OpenELEC or raspbmc preferred?
[11:13] <Trickierstinky> personally I have Raspmc running on my spare pi
[11:14] <dwatkins> I tried OpenElec, the menus were a little slow.
[11:14] <terranigma> neither work godo enough here yet to make it worthwhile a media center
[11:14] <reider59> For the time it takes I`d try them both, you can reuse the SD Card quickly. Just be aware they are bot a work in progress. I preferred Raspbmc myself
[11:14] <Arch-RPi> dwatkins: well that looks more promising
[11:14] <reider59> *both
[11:14] <Trickierstinky> you could try i think it was darkelec seemed fast and quite reliable
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[11:15] <dwatkins> Arch-RPi: there should be a file it's defined in, which is read by something in /etc/init.d
[11:15] <Trickierstinky> http://darkimmortal.com/2012/05/darkelec-raspberry-pi-optimised-openelec-fork/
[11:15] <dwatkins> ooh, neat
[11:15] <Arch-RPi> console-setup i think is the file
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[11:15] <Trieste> Trickierstinky, reider59: how did it work? I mean, was it at least semi-usable?
[11:16] <terranigma> semi sure
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[11:16] <Trickierstinky> yeah I worked for me, but the version I used I couldn't use airplay which is a must for me
[11:16] <reider59> At the stage the installs were at RaspiBMC was more usable, as OpenElc froze often. but both have been in that stage at some point so I`d have no hesitation in retrying later images of each.
[11:17] <terranigma> menus work with some lag when clickign something and it plays 720p fine, but can have problems with jigher bitrate 1080p
[11:17] <terranigma> also 5.1 coudl be a problem dpending on setup i guess
[11:17] <terranigma> doesnt work properly here
[11:18] <Trieste> cool, I'll try rasbpmc then, thanks :)
[11:18] <terranigma> goes for both imho :P
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[11:30] <Trickierstinky> what people up to this horrid saturday morning
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[11:32] <runde> Almost too little
[11:34] <reider59> <left monitor learning how to program a game in python, this monitor this forum, to the right of that is the lappy putting an image on to try and the Pi is going on soon too. the two monitors and the lappy are all operated by the same keyboard/mouse via Input director
[11:35] <rasp7aa> reider59: forget keyboards, it's all about eyeball tracking nowadays
[11:35] <reider59> that`s to come subject to funds lol
[11:35] <rasp7aa> Either I type with my eyes or it's just not worth it
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[11:36] <reider59> thought control would be nice but I`d have to stop taking my meds as they have a nasty side effect with thoughts ;-)
[11:36] <rasp7aa> you have meds which affect your thoughts?
[11:37] <rasp7aa> Wouldn't that change your personality, killing the old you and replacing yourself with some other you
[11:37] <rasp7aa> That would just be weird
[11:37] <reider59> yup. side effect, they send a signal to the brain to kill severe pain but in doing so short term memory and thought control is shot to pieces
[11:37] <rasp7aa> my short term memory is terrible without meds!
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[11:38] <reider59> it does do that but the more sobering thought is putting hot drinks in the fridge/freezer and leaving the gas turned on, doors unlocked etc..... I just have to find ways to combat it
[11:38] <rasp7aa> O.O
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[11:39] <reider59> I write everything down because usually 5 mins later there is a brick wall in my head and the memory is gone
[11:39] <rasp7aa> what did you say 5 minutes ago? don't cheat and glance up
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[11:41] <reider59> I really, truthfully couldn`t say, something about monitors maybe. but the trouble is my brain cuts out for a few seconds to a minute when it chooses. some things you recall and some you don`t but imagine reading a book and skipping a chapter or a page then later it doesn`t make sense because you`re not aware of skipping anything.
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[11:41] <reider59> Yet years ago when I was a kid and lots of other things I recall in detail
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[11:42] <rasp7aa> that sucks
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[11:43] <reider59> If I explain something to someone that I really know how to do then I have to have the other monitor on and look up the words. raspbmc and xmbc, even OPENelec are typical words I forget
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[11:44] <reider59> but other people are worse off than me so I just get on with it
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[11:50] <r00t|home> ouch
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[12:30] <Trickierstinky> I want a weekend project
[12:30] <Trickierstinky> I've created my twitter uptime script not sure what else to do
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[12:32] <Arch-RPi> twitter uptime script?
[12:33] <rasp7aa> Arch-RPi: perhaps he's counting the time since twitter went down for a couple of hours the other day
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[12:35] <_inc2> morning
[12:36] <Trickierstinky> lol nah I'm just tweeting my raspi uptime every so often just wanted to test if i still remembered shell scripting
[12:38] <rasp7aa> link?
[12:39] <Trickierstinky> i've not go a link as such but http://pastebin.com/p09bLdQ1
[12:40] <Trickierstinky> sorry not full versuon
[12:40] <Trickierstinky> http://pastebin.com/51VVpaME
[12:40] <rasp7aa> cool, I do essentially the same thing but with a website http://pi.dnsd.me/
[12:41] <Trickierstinky> >< Love that
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[12:41] <Trickierstinky> how you doing that just getting the time and javascript to increment it or actually getting updated time every second?
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[12:42] <rasp7aa> first one
[12:43] <WASDx> Trickierstinky: that doesn't look like the full version either. $message is never used
[12:43] <Trickierstinky> damn it >< damn putty
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[12:44] <Trickierstinky> there we go
[12:44] <Trickierstinky> http://pastebin.com/tPiD7LrG
[12:44] <Trickierstinky> 3rd time lucky
[12:44] <WASDx> nice
[12:44] <WASDx> saving that
[12:45] <Trickierstinky> and thats the result http://twitter.com/TrickierStinky/status/216440109669679104
[12:45] <WASDx> I'm not exactly sure what to do with mine yet. It is supposed to arrive next week, shipped already
[12:45] <Trickierstinky> you'll need to a supertweet api account
[12:45] <reider59> is the darkelec author still in the house?
[12:45] <WASDx> I see, that was not the original twitter api
[12:46] <WASDx> I want a webserver on mine but not sure for what.
[12:46] <Trickierstinky> I did that
[12:46] <rasp7aa> you named your pi megatron?
[12:46] <Trickierstinky> yeah
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[12:47] <reider59> Not sure what password to set in my ftp client. tried allsorts already and set a particular one in xbmc but it's still stuttering at the log in
[12:47] <rasp7aa> reider59: can you ssh?
[12:48] <reider59> yes, but tried ssh and not working
[12:48] <rasp7aa> what os?
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[12:48] <reider59> it`s the darkelec mixed raspbmc and OPENelec
[12:49] <rasp7aa> it can't be both
[12:49] <rasp7aa> I thought darkelec was just a modified openelec
[12:49] <reider59> it is, it`s been cross compiled as a mix
[12:49] <rasp7aa> ehhh
[12:50] <rasp7aa> but raspbmc is debian underneath, I thought the whole point of openelec was it didn't have all the typical linux bloat
[12:50] <reider59> says DarkElec fork custom
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[12:51] <reider59> never mind, I tried it. It`s on my spare SD card so I`ll keep it until he comes in again
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[12:53] <rasp7aa> reider59: try SFTP port 22, user: root password: openelec
[12:54] <reider59> tried that
[12:54] <rasp7aa> SSH login details are user: ???root??? password: ???openelec???. SSH allows command line access to your openelec.tv machine for configuration and file transfer. Linux/Mac clients can natively use SSH, while Windows users might want to try PuTTY for their terminal access. Starting with OpenELEC 2.0, SSH is disabled by default but all that is needed is an empty ???ssh_enable??? file to exist in /storage/.config to en
[12:54] <rasp7aa> able it.
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[12:55] <rasp7aa> have you created an empty "ssh_enable" file like he tells you to?
[12:55] <reider59> no, wiping it and starting over
[12:55] <rasp7aa> huh
[12:56] <rasp7aa> just create that file and it will work
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[12:57] <Trickierstinky> really want to create stat script like gadgetoid website http://twitter.com/TrickierStinky/status/216440109669679104
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[13:00] <rasp7aa> the problem with twitter is that it's static
[13:01] <Trickierstinky> sorry not that, my brain not working
[13:01] <Trickierstinky> http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/ thats the right link
[13:01] <reider59> I can`t abide twitter, facebook and all that nonsense
[13:01] <rasp7aa> ooo yay I figured how how to stop it resizing on mobile browsers
[13:02] <Trickierstinky> and I can see what you mean about facebook, but like twitter as it's like a microblog
[13:03] <rasp7aa> reider59: they've changing it now, so if you through enough money in their faces they'll let you post more characters
[13:03] <reider59> what format do pics have to be in raspibmc and OPENelec? .jpg should work but does it accept a few in .bmp format too?
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[13:04] <rasp7aa> You should have stopped using bmp years ago!
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[13:06] <reider59> I have ;-) an old pic collection I found, archived from years ago and it`s got mixed formats in, taking out the .gif ones and maybe the .bmp. took out the browser icon that paintshop pro put in years back cos I know that can cause problems
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[13:19] <pmjdebru1jn> hi all
[13:19] <Trickierstinky> howdy
[13:20] <pmjdebru1jn> I just tired the wheezy image, which works fine when I connect my raspberry to HDMI... but on composite out, I just the get raspberry top-left kernel logo, but no text etc
[13:22] <rasp7aa> pmjdebru1jn: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[13:22] <rasp7aa> pmjdebru1jn: framebuffer_width & framebuffer_height
[13:22] <Gadgetoid> Trickierstinky: learn you the Ruby for the awesome power ;)
[13:23] <pmjdebru1jn> rasp7aa: I have output
[13:23] <pmjdebru1jn> rasp7aa: just no text
[13:23] <Trickierstinky> never touch ruby may just have to look
[13:23] <pmjdebru1jn> I see the raspberry kernel logo
[13:23] <Trickierstinky> touched*
[13:23] <rasp7aa> pmjdebru1jn: yes, the frame buffer settings will force it to use a smaller resolution
[13:23] <Gadgetoid> I need to clean up my website source and release it, it's pretty rubbish though as I'm a Ruby noob
[13:24] <pmjdebru1jn> rasp7aa: how do you figure the resolution is the problem?
[13:24] <pmjdebru1jn> it's a known issue?
[13:24] <rasp7aa> because it's only showing the top left of the screen
[13:24] <pmjdebru1jn> rasp7aa: no
[13:24] <pmjdebru1jn> rasp7aa: the raspberry logo is fairly proportiate
[13:24] <Trickierstinky> hey can't be as bad as my shell script
[13:25] <pmjdebru1jn> rasp7aa: it's only 5% of the screen in the top left
[13:25] <pmjdebru1jn> rasp7aa: so that's to be expected
[13:25] <rasp7aa> oh
[13:26] <pmjdebru1jn> just no kernel messages
[13:26] <pmjdebru1jn> only that logo
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[13:26] <pmjdebru1jn> maybe I'm running into a kernel bug
[13:26] <pmjdebru1jn> generally I'd use HDMI anyhow, but I just wanted to try composite
[13:26] <neofutur> pmjdebru1jn: looks like the kernel is not booting, paste your config.txt and commandline.txt
[13:26] <pmjdebru1jn> neofutur: it's the default off the wheezy image
[13:27] <neofutur> thanks
[13:27] <pmjdebru1jn> I can pastebin them later if needed
[13:27] <pmjdebru1jn> but since I have the logo, I know the kernel has already booted
[13:27] <pmjdebru1jn> it might get stuck somewhere though
[13:27] <neofutur> ok you know
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[13:28] <neofutur> sorry, cant help
[13:28] <pmjdebru1jn> no problem
[13:28] <pmjdebru1jn> like I said, I'll probably use HDMI anyhow
[13:28] <pmjdebru1jn> just curious
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[13:28] <pmjdebru1jn> on a different note... what's the fastest SD card I can get that's compitable with the rPi?
[13:28] <pmjdebru1jn> it seems lots of class 10 cards don't work?
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[13:29] <Trieste> I've found that class 4 works well
[13:30] <Crenn-NAS> pmjdebru1jn: I use a Class 6 card
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[13:30] <Crenn-NAS> And the Class 10 cards I believe should work now
[13:30] <pmjdebru1jn> I have a class6 lying around
[13:30] <pmjdebru1jn> but class6 is slow
[13:30] <Crenn-NAS> With the new kernal
[13:30] <pmjdebru1jn> oh
[13:30] <pmjdebru1jn> stuff got fixed?
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[13:30] <Crenn-NAS> Try the debian wheezy beta
[13:30] <Crenn-NAS> Yeah
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[13:31] <pmjdebru1jn> Crenn-NAS: I'll give it a shot thanks
[13:31] <_inc> can anyone tell me if http://x-wrt.org is working for them? I'm getting blank pages served
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[13:32] <_rpi> _inc same here
[13:32] <_rpi> blank page
[13:32] <_inc> :(
[13:32] <_inc> thanks
[13:32] <Niall> Blank page here
[13:32] <Trieste> _inc: for future reference, http://www.isup.me/ is pretty cool :)
[13:32] <Trieste> though I guess it wouldn't help in this case
[13:32] <_inc> :D
[13:32] <_rpi> It's just you. http://x-wrt.org is up.
[13:33] <Trieste> yup, _rpi
[13:33] <rasp7aa> _inc: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0wqx1fSMQVYJ:x-wrt.org/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
[13:33] <Trieste> sorry, didn't realize it :)
[13:35] <_inc> rasp7aa: thanks
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[13:38] <_inc> im rolling out my own router due to virgins superhub not doing anything it claims it can (i.e. port forwarding)
[13:39] <Trickierstinky> _inc : my superhib port forwards
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[13:39] <_inc> Trickierstinky: even 22?
[13:39] <Trickierstinky> yeah
[13:39] <_inc> whaaaat
[13:40] <Trickierstinky> yeah I currently have my pi setup through it
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[13:40] <_inc> ok so i got the pi set to static ip via MAC on the router, then forward all port 22 to it
[13:40] <_inc> works on local loopback but not external
[13:41] <Trickierstinky> strange
[13:41] <rasp7aa> _inc: my superhub forwards ports okay
[13:41] <_inc> brilliant
[13:42] <rasp7aa> _inc: via mac? Doesn't the pi change it's mac everytime it reboots?
[13:42] <_inc> id rather keep the superhub but i cant figure this out
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[13:42] <Aldasa> rasp7aa, no. my mac stays the same
[13:42] <Trickierstinky> to test why not set the pi to the DMZ on your router and give that a shot
[13:42] <Domin> why wouldt mac adress change
[13:43] <Domin> the mac is sort of the serial of the ethernet card
[13:43] <Domin> it can be changed but it will not change under normal use
[13:43] <_rpi> nah, the mac stays the same
[13:43] <rasp7aa> Domin: I know it's crazy right.. But it apparently does it
[13:43] <Domin> sounds really strange
[13:43] <ReggieUK> g'morning everyone
[13:43] <bootc> http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/06/23/raspberry-pi-3-2-21-kernel/
[13:44] <ReggieUK> not all mac addresses are equal
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[13:44] <bootc> ReggieUK: well you'd certainly hope that was true considering they're supposed to be globally unique :-)
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[13:45] <ReggieUK> many a hope and dream is dashed against the rocks of reality and a programmers will
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[13:45] <ReggieUK> leapfrog, didj, changes mac address on every boot
[13:46] <ReggieUK> why? Cos someone decided that a random mac was better than no mac at all I suppose?
[13:46] <pmjdebru1jn> ah my HP class10 seems to work just fine
[13:46] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: Perhaps they just wanted to troll you
[13:47] <pmjdebru1jn> boots much faster now
[13:48] <ReggieUK> trying to remember the exact circumstances
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[13:48] <ReggieUK> oh yeah, it was when it was set into update mode
[13:48] <ReggieUK> g_ether gadget
[13:49] <ReggieUK> it wasn't even like someone had to write some C to doit
[13:49] <ReggieUK> just script it
[13:49] <plugwash> IIRC linux will use a random mac from the locally administered pool if it can't find a valid mac to use for the interface
[13:49] <Trickierstinky> _inc: did dmz work?
[13:49] <_inc> Trickierstinky: nope
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[13:49] <ReggieUK> plugwash, no doubt but this really was assigning it's own random mac address :)
[13:49] <Trickierstinky> thats really strange then as that should
[13:50] <_inc> timeouts
[13:50] <_inc> ill reboot it
[13:50] <agumonkey> Hi peeps
[13:50] <ReggieUK> a wilful programmer did it :)_
[13:50] <bootc> some things indeed do just assign a random MAC at every boot
[13:50] <rasp7aa> _inc: does your pi have a static ip?
[13:50] <bootc> the idea being some userspace code should go and set the real MAC address at boot based on things like the system serial number
[13:50] <_inc> rasp7aa: indeed
[13:50] <agumonkey> htop reports 122MB, is it a bug or is my model B a model A ?
[13:51] <Terranigma> heh
[13:51] <ReggieUK> bootc, sure, i can go for all that as being valid stuff
[13:51] <bootc> agumonkey: both A and B have 256MB of RAM
[13:51] <Terranigma> i was about to ask the same
[13:51] <Trickierstinky> how are you trying to connect externally? by domain or ip?
[13:51] <agumonkey> I checked dmesg output , it mentions 128MB
[13:51] <rasp7aa> _inc: 22 | 22 | Both | ** works fine for me
[13:51] <Terranigma> says 120mb in openelec
[13:51] <bootc> the reason you're seeing less is because the VideoCore uses half of it
[13:51] <Terranigma> k good
[13:51] <ReggieUK> if it wasn't randomising the first 3 values in the mac too
[13:51] <agumonkey> it's staticly allocated to a half ?
[13:51] <bootc> if you want more, you can switch to the arm192_start.elf firmware or even arm224_start.elf firmware
[13:51] <agumonkey> thanks a lot
[13:51] <ReggieUK> first 3 values is the mfr ID
[13:51] <pmjdebru1jn> ReggieUK: the first three?
[13:52] <pmjdebru1jn> oh
[13:52] <pmjdebru1jn> right
[13:52] <Terranigma> any downsides bootc?
[13:52] <bootc> (basically just copy the armXXX_start.elf firmware over your start.elf and reboot)
[13:52] <ReggieUK> last 3 is the uniquely assigned part (or at least it's supposed to be)
[13:52] <bootc> Terranigma: you give less to the VideoCore, so if you're using it for 3D or H.264 or whatnot it has less memory to do those
[13:53] <Gadgetoid> The WiringPi gem is showing 34 total downloads... someone must be trying it out
[13:53] <_inc> heh
[13:53] <_inc> ok its working a bit
[13:53] <bootc> I personally use the 224 variant because I use my Pi headless so I want as much RAM for the ARM core as I can get
[13:53] <agumonkey> bootc: you anticipated my question
[13:53] <Terranigma> so i guess if i use it for debian and just ircing i can do it with the arm224_start.elf
[13:53] <Trickierstinky> _inc : ?
[13:53] <bootc> yep
[13:53] <Terranigma> and keep it as is for xbmc
[13:53] <_inc> ddns fails but ip doesnt
[13:54] <rasp7aa> _inc: so you can ssh over external ip fine then?
[13:55] <_inc> oh ffs, ddclient is sending the local ip to the service
[13:55] <_inc> what the hell
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[13:56] <rasp7aa> _inc: you can grab your external ip from checkip.dyndns.org
[13:56] <Terranigma> now to decide wether to go just debian or raspbian
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[13:57] <rasp7aa> _inc: I use wget -q -O - checkip.dyndns.org|sed -e 's/.*Current IP Address: //' -e 's/<.*$//'
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[13:58] <_inc> http://icanhazip.com/
[13:58] * plugwash suggests raspbian
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[13:59] <rasp7aa> plugwash: biased!
[13:59] <plugwash> hehe
[13:59] <Terranigma> :P
[13:59] <Terranigma> i had regular debian installed, but gets too slow besides anythign but ircing
[14:00] <rasp7aa> plugwash: are you eventually going to go for one build? or are you sticking with hexxeh/pisces?
[14:00] <rasp7aa> Terranigma: with x?
[14:00] <Terranigma> yes
[14:00] <rasp7aa> that isn't debians fault
[14:00] <Terranigma> i never said it was
[14:00] <rasp7aa> everything is going to be slow without accelerated x
[14:01] <Terranigma> im basically lionux n00b
[14:01] <plugwash> rasp7aa, we haven't really decided on our long term image strategy yet but I suspect there will be multiple images
[14:01] <Terranigma> -o
[14:01] <rasp7aa> you should scrap x and use irssi
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[14:01] <Leestons> irssi <3
[14:01] <plugwash> at the very least I want a minimal image and a "foundation-like" image but there will likely be others too
[14:01] <Leestons> I don't have my pi yet but I use irssi on my netbook
[14:01] <rasp7aa> plugwash: server & desktop images
[14:02] <Terranigma> never used it, not that comfortable in commandline
[14:02] <Leestons> can't go wrong with it.
[14:03] <rasp7aa> neither am I, I keep forgetting all the basic commands
[14:03] <rasp7aa> but with google nearby I'm okay
[14:03] <Leestons> Once you have irssi installed it's just like any other IRC client really.
[14:03] <Leestons> minus the GUI
[14:04] <Terranigma> lots of chans im in, so dunno if i can deal with that withotu a guy to easily switch to
[14:04] <bootc> I currently have 15 chans open in my irssi...
[14:04] <Leestons> How do you keep up?
[14:05] <Leestons> I usually only have two.
[14:05] <Terranigma> might as well stick to xchat
[14:05] <bootc> they aren't all very active, and I mostly only idle in them anyway
[14:05] <Leestons> Ahh, makes sense
[14:05] <Terranigma> i sure u do, but u arent a n00b
[14:05] <rasp7aa> mIRC 5.91 on windows 3.1 ftw
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[14:09] <Trickierstinky> may say sound really stupid but if I have irssi up how can I still use shell for other things?
[14:09] <ReggieUK> swap to another console?
[14:10] <rasp7aa> ctrl alt f2
[14:10] <Trickierstinky> ohh right cool
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[14:10] <rasp7aa> or use something like screen
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[14:11] <Leestons> oh god, not pressing that again
[14:11] <Leestons> Trickierstinky: you can just open a new tab in the terminal
[14:11] <Leestons> if that's what you meant.
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[14:12] <rasp7aa> Leestons: tab?"
[14:12] <Trickierstinky> thanks but meant beacuse I won't have a x session running
[14:12] <Leestons> ohh of course.
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[14:14] <trickierstinky1> yay I now have it set up :P
[14:14] <rasp7aa> irssi?
[14:14] <trickierstinky1> yeah
[14:14] <rasp8aa> me too
[14:15] <trickierstinky1> 12:12 [+fragalot ] [+normod ] [+wiiguy ]
[14:15] <trickierstinky1> 12:12 [+FrankBuss ] [+notfunk ] [+wmat ]
[14:15] <trickierstinky1> 12:12 [+fragalot ] [+normod ] [+wiiguy ]
[14:15] <trickierstinky1> 12:12 [+FrankBuss ] [+notfunk ] [+wmat ]
[14:15] <trickierstinky1> sorry guys
[14:16] <rasp7aa> O.o
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[14:22] <_inc> k so devices in a DMZ... anything goes so to say?
[14:22] <_inc> not very netsec right?
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[14:23] <swiley> hey is any one else having a problem with the usb phy on there raspberry pi overheating and freezing the usb stack?
[14:23] <Gadgetoid> _inc: DMZ is great if you dislike security :D
[14:23] <swiley> I can type as long as I'm blowing on the chip
[14:23] <_inc> Gadgetoid: im just chuffed that I now have ssh :P
[14:23] <ReggieUK> might be worth posting about it on the forums swiley
[14:24] <swiley> I connected a powerd hub to it so I wasn't drawing power from it but that doesn't help
[14:24] <Gadgetoid> _inc: I use dmz cos I'm lazy :D
[14:24] <ReggieUK> try unplugging your power and seeing if the pi is still powered via usb
[14:24] <_inc> well im using public keys so thats a bit more secure
[14:25] <swiley> huh?
[14:25] <swiley> you mean the power to the hub
[14:25] <Terranigma> nice raspbian install guide
[14:25] <Terranigma> half th commands dont work
[14:25] <rasp7aa> Terranigma: link?
[14:25] <swiley> I'm powering the pi off the hub :S
[14:25] <Terranigma> http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
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[14:25] <rasp7aa> Terranigma: stick sudo infront
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[14:25] <Terranigma> installed that but besides 1 command the others error
[14:26] <_inc> Terranigma: worked for me
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[14:26] <Gadgetoid> All the facepalm!
[14:26] <Terranigma> doesnt here
[14:26] <rasp7aa> ...
[14:26] <_inc> what error?
[14:26] <Gadgetoid> Although it's great that the Pi is bringing so many into the linux fold
[14:26] <rasp7aa> stick
[14:26] <rasp7aa> sudo
[14:26] <rasp7aa> infront
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[14:27] <_inc> i.e. "sudo apt-get??install??ntp??fake-hwclock "
[14:27] <Gadgetoid> rasp7aa: that guide says to log into the "root" account... sudo redundant, no?
[14:27] <Terranigma> dsudo not recognised
[14:28] <Terranigma> sudo*
[14:28] <Terranigma> and yes
[14:28] <rasp7aa> are you connected to the internet?
[14:28] <ReggieUK> swiley, I mean unplug power from the microUSB on the pi and see if the pi is still being powered by the usb hub
[14:29] <Terranigma> lxde-icon-theme not available, only reffered to by another package
[14:29] <Terranigma> thats the kind of error i get
[14:29] <rasp7aa> that doesn't matter, you'll even up replacing lxde with xfce anyway
[14:29] <swiley> oh
[14:29] <Terranigma> and yes is connected
[14:29] <swiley> wait
[14:29] <_inc> it works for me
[14:30] <swiley> ok I'll try that
[14:30] <Terranigma> well i dont need that, but the others say the same
[14:30] <plugwash> Terranigma, have you done apt-get update ?
[14:30] <rasp7aa> Terranigma: do "apt-get update"
[14:30] <Terranigma> guess i can do that
[14:30] <Terranigma> but i was following this guide
[14:30] <Gadgetoid> Terranigma: it's not really a guide
[14:30] <rasp7aa> do it and then follow the guide
[14:30] <rasp7aa> it says "notes", not guide
[14:31] <Terranigma> rpi-update doesnt work either
[14:31] <Terranigma> apt-get update does
[14:31] <rasp7aa> rpi-update needs ntp setup first
[14:31] <Gadgetoid> rpi-update does something completely different, also
[14:31] <_inc> Terranigma: run "whoami"
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[14:32] <Gadgetoid> Ahhh... troubleshooting tennis :)
[14:32] <_inc> who are you Terranigma ? :P
[14:32] <Gadgetoid> Hahaha
[14:32] <Terranigma> a noob?
[14:32] <swiley> yeah the hub powers it with no connection to the pi except through the power connector on the back
[14:32] <rasp7aa> tennis is the worst sport ever. People only watch it for the sexy women
[14:32] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, I need to try driving my crazy LED display setup from the Pi
[14:33] <_inc> rasp7aa: next time tennis is on tv, put subtitles on
[14:33] <_inc> Terranigma: everyone is a noob at something
[14:33] <rasp7aa> _inc: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EwvHoubUgBI/SwFLaveGIsI/AAAAAAAAEAA/qJAv13R13zM/s1600/anna_kournik+(6).jpg
[14:34] <TrickierStinky> I Really wish Spoity had a API so i could make a player
[14:34] <TrickierStinky> for the pi
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[14:34] <Gadgetoid> Like Libdespotify TrickierStinky?
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[14:34] <Gadgetoid> TrickierStinky: apt-get install despotify
[14:34] <rasp7aa> hexxeh recently blogged about it I think
[14:34] <Gadgetoid> And then remember that audio sucks on the Pi anyway, fail'd :D
[14:34] <TrickierStinky> I didnt know about that awesome
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[14:35] <TrickierStinky> also off not how can I tell that people have replied to me on irssi
[14:35] <Gadgetoid> despotify is actually a full-blown ncurses spotify client, with a basic command-line counterpart
[14:35] <_inc> TrickierStinky: hilight.pl script
[14:35] <_inc> Gadgetoid: i don't think it works with the seevice now
[14:36] <_inc> service *
[14:36] <_inc> i could be wrong
[14:36] <Gadgetoid> _inc: despotify? It does if you pay :D
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[14:36] <_inc> ohhhh, those reports were from freeloaders?
[14:36] <_inc> ok ill continue that mission later then
[14:37] <swiley> still freezes though :(
[14:37] <rasp7aa> isn't spotify supposed to opening up their mobile service to non-premium?
[14:38] <Terranigma> setting date and time correct did the trick
[14:38] <TrickierStinky> my second PI now has a brillaint use
[14:38] <Gadgetoid> rasp7aa: ohrly? it'll probably be crippled in some way... once you go premium, you can't go back!
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[14:39] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid: Yeah, probably a million ads, I used to use spotify a couple of years ago and the ads just got worse and worse
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[14:39] <rasp7aa> "hello I'm rebecca from spotify blah blah blah.."
[14:39] <Gadgetoid> rasp7aa: oh gawd, the horrors!
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[14:40] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid: I'm too cheap for premium, I just use grooveshark
[14:40] <Gadgetoid> rasp7aa: I use it on my mobile phone a lot, and am too lazy to build and sync a music collection any other way
[14:41] <Gadgetoid> although if I weren't bleeding 9.99/month I could buy far more electronic crap
[14:42] <rasp7aa> I was thinking of doing the netflix trial to see what their catalog is like
[14:42] <Gadgetoid> rasp7aa: it's not bad as far as TV series go, but meh at the films
[14:42] <ReggieUK> swiley, what type of keyboard have you got?
[14:42] <swiley> I've tried a couple
[14:42] <ReggieUK> do you know how much current they draw?
[14:43] <swiley> this one I don't know
[14:43] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid: that's a shame, must be better than lovefilm though
[14:43] <swiley> the other one was 100 or so mah
[14:43] <ReggieUK> try plugging just a keyboard into the usb on the pi and powering it from the microusb socket
[14:43] <ReggieUK> if this one is 100ma try it with this one, if not try with the one you know is 100ma
[14:43] <Gadgetoid> rasp7aa: poking your eyes out is better than lovefilm :D
[14:44] <rasp7aa> amazon should rebrand it and boost it up
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[14:44] <rasp7aa> it's a shame they are just letting it die in the corner
[14:44] <rasp7aa> and they're bring the amazon app store to the uk in the summer
[14:45] <TrickierStinky> can someone please reply to me want to test highlight
[14:45] <rasp7aa> TrickierStinky: NO!
[14:45] <ReggieUK> swiley, my thought here really is that somehow the hub is powering the pi, which is causing the polyfuses to act up, blowing on the smsc chip would also have the effect of you blowing on the polyfuses, which may just be keeping things working rather than the chip itself
[14:45] <ReggieUK> how hot is the chip btw.
[14:45] <TrickierStinky> damn don't work as well as i though lol
[14:45] <rasp7aa> black magic
[14:45] <ReggieUK> like is it cool enough to touch?
[14:45] <swiley> not very hot
[14:45] <ReggieUK> or will it take skin off your finger
[14:46] <swiley> hahaha certainly not
[14:46] <ReggieUK> then that doesn't really feel like it's the chip that's the issue
[14:46] <Gadgetoid> TrickierStinky: no
[14:46] <swiley> hm...
[14:46] <ReggieUK> have you got a multimeter?
[14:46] <swiley> yup
[14:46] <ReggieUK> do you know where tp1/tp2 are on the pi board?
[14:47] <swiley> I see two empty vias with those marks
[14:47] <swiley> so I think yes
[14:47] <ReggieUK> cool, so setup the pi as normal (microusb power, hub and keyboard/mouse plugged in)
[14:48] <ReggieUK> then turn it on, measure the voltage across tp1/tp2
[14:48] <ReggieUK> then wait for it to die
[14:48] <ReggieUK> and measure again
[14:48] <swiley> ok
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[14:48] <swiley> I'm going to let it cool for a moment or so
[14:49] <ReggieUK> you'll just be waiting longer for it to die :D
[14:49] <swiley> yeah but it panics when I try to boot it right now :/
[14:49] <ReggieUK> ahh
[14:50] <ReggieUK> when you boot, do you get other errors coming up apart from the panic?
[14:50] <swiley> it was scrolling really fast
[14:50] <swiley> I can't remember what it said now though
[14:51] <ReggieUK> while you're waiting for it to cool, measure the resistance across the f1/f2 fuses
[14:51] <ReggieUK> seperately!
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[14:52] <rasp7aa> hit it with a mallet
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[14:52] <Cheery> all right
[14:52] <Cheery> should certainly get earlier to sleep today
[14:53] <swiley> it looked very small
[14:53] <swiley> I'm going to boot it now
[14:54] <ReggieUK> what was the resistance?
[14:54] <ReggieUK> small isn't really the information I was after :D
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[14:54] <ReggieUK> a few ohms across the polyfuse is enough to affect things
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[14:56] <swiley> it was way to the right of the decimal point
[14:56] <ReggieUK> ok
[14:56] <swiley> I couldn't read it very well because of the angle though :(
[14:57] <swiley> the voltage stays at about 4.77 volts, until the usb dies where it goes up to about 5.00 volts
[14:57] <swiley> so maybe a software issue?
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[14:57] <ReggieUK> 4.77v is just on the cusp of being in spec, I would see if you can change your power supply for something else to start off with
[14:57] <swiley> hm ok
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[14:58] <swiley> maybe my hub can't source enough current
[14:58] <ReggieUK> your hub is also an issue here, it's allowing power to be drawn back to the pi, this shouldn't happen on a decent hub
[14:58] <swiley> I see
[14:58] <ReggieUK> cheap ebay hubs are a minefield
[14:58] <TrickierStinky> Gadgetoid: what was the spotify lib again?
[14:58] <ReggieUK> what rating is the psu for the hub?
[14:59] <swiley> 2.5A +5 volts
[14:59] <swiley> I thought that would be enough :)
[14:59] <ReggieUK> ok, so it's alledgedly meaty enough
[14:59] <swiley> could I power it from my mac?
[14:59] <Niall> Hey guys, I have a question about power supplies. Mine is 5V and 750mA, would the extra 50A make a difference to the recommended 700mA?
[14:59] <plugwash> assuming that the label is in-line with reality yes
[15:00] <djazz> yay, running RPi on 4xAA (5V, 500mA output) from my charger
[15:00] <djazz> keyboard, mouse, ethernet and bluetooth - all working
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[15:00] <Aldasa> Niall, the higher the amps the better. It only draws what it needs
[15:00] <swiley> niall more amps are good, generally (from what I understand ) volts are pushed from the power supply and amps are pulled from the device
[15:00] <ReggieUK> Niall, anything over 700ma won't affect teh pi, the 700ma is the minimum the psu should be able to supply, if it adequately reaches that minimum, it's good enough for the pi
[15:00] <Niall> Thank you :3
[15:00] <ReggieUK> but
[15:00] <rasp7aa> isn't 700 also the max?
[15:00] <ReggieUK> if it's a charger, in reality, more amps is better in general
[15:01] <plugwash> if you have a REALLY high current PSU you should put protection between it and the Pi....
[15:01] <ReggieUK> simply because they die off on the voltage when they get closer to the rated current
[15:01] <ReggieUK> there is already protection
[15:01] <ReggieUK> a 700ma polyfuse
[15:02] <swiley> no the amp essentially tells you the maximum things you can connect to the powersupply (it's more complex then that but that should make sense)
[15:02] <plugwash> ReggieUK, sure but shorts can happen before the polyfuse on the board trips
[15:02] <plugwash> not an issue if it's just a small wall wart, potentially a rather large issue if a really big PSU is hooked up
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[15:02] <ReggieUK> what would you suggest as extra protection and what would you consider really high current?
[15:03] <rasp7aa> tin foil
[15:03] <swiley> does any one know if the mac can power the pi?
[15:03] <plugwash> I'd say rated current more than about 5A or so
[15:03] * ReggieUK slaps rasp7aa with 50amps
[15:03] <plugwash> and I'd want to see extra protection
[15:03] <ReggieUK> ok, so unlikely that most people will be using 5amps in a wall wart
[15:04] <plugwash> yeah it's not an issue when running 1 pi but i'd want to see additional protection when say running a large number of Pis off one big PSU
[15:04] <ReggieUK> oh sure
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[15:04] <swiley> or you could use a power strip?
[15:05] <ReggieUK> but then you're getting into the realms of actually knowing what you're doing before you hook them up
[15:05] <plugwash> and don't even THINK of using large lead acid batteries without fusing them
[15:05] <TrickierStinky> anyone seen this error before ? http://pastebin.com/CQiA6JRy
[15:06] <ReggieUK> plugwash, yeah, I used fuses
[15:06] <ReggieUK> 1amp I think
[15:06] <swiley> hi current draw= wrench across led acid batteries :D
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[15:07] <swiley> easy diy welder, time to go to instructables!
[15:08] <rasp7aa> TrickierStinky: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/34
[15:09] <Gadgetoid> TrickierStinky: despotify iirc
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[15:10] <gordonDrogon> phew
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> Lunch for 20... /done/
[15:10] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: cake?
[15:10] <Arch-RPi> /quit
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[15:11] <gordonDrogon> no cake... beef chillie, chicken masala, fritata and thai style fishcakes.
[15:11] <TrickierStinky> raspaa : mines an issue with despotify though
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> big salad to go...
[15:11] <TrickierStinky> rasp7aa that was for you
[15:11] <ReggieUK> mmmmmmm, masala
[15:11] <rasp7aa> TrickierStinky: doesn't matter, the guy posts a solution
[15:11] <TrickierStinky> ok ta
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> the chicken all went - however I have a few lunches of chillie left over for me :)
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> set chocolate & vanilla mousse for desert with fresh fruit...
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[15:12] <gordonDrogon> this was for a social group my wife is working with...
[15:13] <GlowingLemon> Have someone here build a mediaserver with their raspberrypi?
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[15:13] <rasp7aa> GlowingLemon: a nas?
[15:13] <Niall> I'm planning to when my Pi arrives
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, I'll be making a lemon drizzle cake and flapjacks for Thursday though :)
[15:13] <GlowingLemon> a htpc
[15:13] <rasp7aa> yuck flapjacks
[15:13] <GlowingLemon> Like with xmbc or something
[15:14] <rasp7aa> GlowingLemon: openelec / raspbmc
[15:14] <rasp7aa> both are xbmc
[15:14] <Draylor> only prob i had was horrible speeds (cpu usage) from a usb drive using ntfs
[15:14] <Draylor> reformat & its fine
[15:14] <GlowingLemon> How well does it play hd material?
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[15:15] <Draylor> im just using minidlna on it, no xbmc stuff. no probs with that
[15:15] <rasp7aa> GlowingLemon: depends on the codec
[15:15] <Draylor> but you wouldnt expect any :)
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[15:17] <gordonDrogon> off to wash-up now... laters..
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[15:17] <ReggieUK> cya
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[15:21] <TrickierStinky> you guys have changed my life with irssi
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[15:23] <rasp7aa> uhuh
[15:25] <TrickierStinky> how do you search a set of folders for a string in linux again?
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[15:26] <ReggieUK> grep
[15:27] <TrickierStinky> grep -r -H "vcos_" ~/despotify/src/
[15:27] <TrickierStinky> that would work right?
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[15:29] <rasp7aa> grep vcos_ -R ~/despotify/src/
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[15:30] <TrickierStinky> damn can't find the string
[15:31] <Terranigma> there, raspbian running
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[15:40] <TrickierStinky> sorry to be a pain any idea on this " fatal error: ilclient.h: No such file or directorycompilation terminated."
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[15:44] <ReggieUK> you need to tell the compiler where ilclient.h is
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[15:44] <ReggieUK> -I/the/path/to/iclient.h
[15:44] <GLaDOSv2> just got my pi yesterday, I've been trying to boot it, but get this error - https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-J7uHsCGNILA/T-XHbUtyR3I/AAAAAAAAABc/2ki8aYWx9I8/w800-h600-k/IMG-20120623-WA0000.jpg
[15:44] <TrickierStinky> I'm not sure where it is lol
[15:44] <ReggieUK> find it then :D
[15:45] <ReggieUK> you only need the path in the -I switch, not the file name
[15:45] <GLaDOSv2> keyboard doesn't work, pressing any key doesn't show
[15:46] <ReggieUK> try in #raspberrypi-dev no idea what that error is myself
[15:46] <ReggieUK> kgdb is all the debugger stuff isn't it?
[15:47] <GLaDOSv2> think it is
[15:47] <ReggieUK> which kernel image are you using?
[15:47] <GLaDOSv2> new debian one
[15:47] <ReggieUK> wheezy?
[15:47] <GLaDOSv2> yep
[15:48] <ReggieUK> I'm out of ideas, apart from making sure that your power supply is up to the job and your usb hub is sufficiently powered
[15:48] <reider59> and the SD card is on th econfirmed working list
[15:48] <GLaDOSv2> I've used linux for quite a while but I'm certainly not a hero with it, so have no idea what to do with this... read something about power problems so bought a 1A supply, tested the voltage with the test pins and got about 5V so that should be fine as well
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[15:49] <GLaDOSv2> and i'm not using a hub
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[15:49] <ReggieUK> what happens if you boot with just the sd card and video cable (hdmi or composite) plugged in?
[15:49] <reider59> How did you transfer the image to the SD Card?
[15:49] <ReggieUK> and check the current draw that your keyboard is rated to
[15:50] <ReggieUK> it'll be on a label on the bottom or it'll be stamped into the plastic
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[15:50] <GLaDOSv2> used win32diskimager, and I'll check with only sd and video (composite)
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[15:50] <ReggieUK> check the current draw of the keyboard too!!
[15:51] <GLaDOSv2> sure
[15:51] <ReggieUK> if it's > 100ma then that could be an issue, especially if it boots without the keyboard plugged in
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[15:52] <TrickierStinky> i really cannot find ilclient.h
[15:52] <ReggieUK> try using pastebin and give more context around the error :)
[15:52] <ReggieUK> what program are you trying to compile
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[15:52] <TrickierStinky> despotify
[15:53] <TrickierStinky> and http://pastebin.com/HsihiYPA
[15:53] <GLaDOSv2> it boots now, apperantly it is the keyboard... it's one of those foldable ones from dealextreme
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[15:53] <ReggieUK> check the current rating on the keyboard!
[15:54] <GLaDOSv2> doesn't show :p
[15:54] <ReggieUK> yuk
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[15:54] <GLaDOSv2> yeah, gotta get myself a new keyboard it seems
[15:54] <ReggieUK> got a link to it on dealextreme
[15:54] <ReggieUK> well, you might not have to
[15:54] <ReggieUK> if you've got a powered hub
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[15:55] <GLaDOSv2> I don't, I'm afraid
[15:55] <ReggieUK> which? the link or a hub?
[15:55] <GLaDOSv2> hub
[15:55] <GLaDOSv2> i'll get the link
[15:56] <ReggieUK> you can always access it over ssh
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[15:57] <GLaDOSv2> true
[15:58] <ReggieUK> or via a usb to serial adapter (3.3v io)
[15:58] <GLaDOSv2> it's this one btw http://dx.com/p/ultrathin-0-3mm-blue-flexible-waterproof-keyboard-7846
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[15:58] <rasp7aa> oh god why
[15:58] <rasp7aa> why would you buy one of these
[15:59] <ReggieUK> cos it comes in a tub, duh!
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[15:59] <ReggieUK> do you have the user manual fo it GLaDOSv2?
[16:00] <rasp7aa> GLaDOSv2: is this you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9O6-G4-28k
[16:01] <GLaDOSv2> rasp7aa: no it isn't ;P
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[16:01] <GLaDOSv2> nope, there was no manual with it ;P
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[16:02] <plugwash> IMO if the keyboard is dragging down the whole system it's most likely a PSU problem
[16:02] <plugwash> not a keyboard problem
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[16:02] <ReggieUK> depends on the keyboard
[16:03] <plugwash> with a decently meaty PSU the USB polyswitches would probablly trip before the keyboard can drag down the main power rail
[16:03] <ReggieUK> if it's pulling more than 100ma through the usb then that's an issue
[16:03] * gordonDrogon sits down and relaxes.
[16:03] <ReggieUK> voltage is apparently fine though plugwash
[16:03] <Matt> morning
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> I'm still surprised keyboard can use that much energy...
[16:04] <GLaDOSv2> I bought a 1A psu so that should be fine right?
[16:04] <GLaDOSv2> any way I can measure the drainage
[16:04] <GLaDOSv2> *?
[16:04] <ReggieUK> if it's putting out > 4.75v when the usb is plugged in then it should be fine
[16:04] <ReggieUK> but no one said it was pulling down the voltage
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> GLaDOSv2, not easilly without cutting the lead...
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[16:06] <ReggieUK> just that it's causing a panic by the looks of it
[16:06] <rasp7aa> alanbell?
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[16:06] * plugwash would next try measuring the voltage delivered to the keyboard
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[16:07] <plugwash> and if it was lower than about 4.5V or so i'd be soldering a wire accross the stupid polyswitch
[16:07] <rasp7aa> who are these people you're muting chanserv?
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> there's an intersting thread on the forums about bypassing the fuses - even contributions by Gert!
[16:08] <rasp7aa> gert is an old fart
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> the best way I reckon is still to take a separate wire to the USB sockets either from the psu socket or (to be safer) from the safeside of the 700ma polyfuse...
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> he's not as old as me ;-)
[16:08] <ReggieUK> TrickierStinky, have you installed openmax? or the openmax dev libs?
[16:08] <TrickierStinky> no
[16:09] <ReggieUK> ok, little tip, if the compiler can't find a .h file, then obviously you look for where that .h file comes from
[16:09] <ReggieUK> google!
[16:10] <AlanBell> rasp7aa: it is voicing people, not muting them
[16:10] <ReggieUK> not 100% certain it's openmax but http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/18/raspberry-pi-opengl-and-openmax-il-hello-world-applications/
[16:10] * plugwash usually starts with the debian package contents search rather than google
[16:10] <GLaDOSv2> when I boot without the keyboard, as soon as I plug the keyboard in the kernel panicks
[16:10] <AlanBell> and it devoiced me as I switched to another account to do some stuff
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[16:11] <GLaDOSv2> still do get 4.80V on the TP1 and TP2 though
[16:11] <ReggieUK> tbh it's an issue not really worth worrying about AlanBell
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[16:11] <plugwash> what do you get on the power pins of the USB port the keyboard is connected to?
[16:11] <GLaDOSv2> I'll check that out
[16:11] <AlanBell> ReggieUK: I am not in the least bit worried :)
[16:11] <ReggieUK> tp1/tp2 should be where you're measuring
[16:12] <plugwash> ReggieUK, no I want him to measure what is actually being delievered to the USB port
[16:12] <plugwash> not the main board voltage
[16:12] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok
[16:12] <ReggieUK> my bad
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[16:12] <ReggieUK> continue with what plugwash was saying :D
[16:13] <SSilver2k2> heh, GLaDOSv2, your name just reminded me of something. at work we were contemplating powering an arduino, and then the rpi via a bunch of potatoes
[16:13] <reider59> computer chips?
[16:14] <SSilver2k2> and lemons
[16:14] <GLaDOSv2> hehehe xD
[16:14] <GLaDOSv2> also, I'm male, to clear that up, some people think I'm female but I just think glados is awesome :p
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[16:14] <GLaDOSv2> also, difficult to measure on the usb port plugwash, but I did get a reading of 4.7 at one point
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[16:15] <TrickierStinky> ok I'm not sure but would i need to install openmax or can i get that through rpi-update
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[16:17] <rasp7aa> huh
[16:18] <GLaDOSv2> yep plugwash, tried again, 4.79 is the highest reading I get which is about the same as on the main board
[16:18] <ReggieUK> you need the headers from openmax (or if not openmax, then which ever lib/app. installs ilclient.h
[16:18] * plugwash was more interested in the lowest reading
[16:18] <plugwash> personally i'd put the bypasses in anyway and see what happens but then i'm competant enough at soldering that the risk to the Pi from my soldering is minimal
[16:19] <GLaDOSv2> well, it continues to fluctuate and it's difficult to keep steady
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[16:19] <GLaDOSv2> I'm not at all competent with soldering, never done it
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[16:19] <reider59> try a croc clip across them as a temporary test
[16:20] <GLaDOSv2> no idea what that means :p
[16:20] <GLaDOSv2> oh
[16:20] <GLaDOSv2> nvm, googled it
[16:20] <dlynes> GLaDOSv2, alligator clips
[16:20] <GLaDOSv2> not sure I have those, but if I get one, where should I put them?
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[16:21] <reider59> Theirs a post linked from the forum showing a pic of the board and I`m sure one of the posts mentions using the clips
[16:22] <dlynes> GLaDOSv2, the power pins of the usb port?
[16:22] <ReggieUK> pfft
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[16:22] <ReggieUK> they're essentially saying to short the polyfuse, so it no longer acts like a fuse
[16:22] <ReggieUK> which imho is an accident waiting to happen :)
[16:23] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: everyone has at least 3 pies anyway
[16:23] <GLaDOSv2> heh, I've got only one :p
[16:23] <GLaDOSv2> I've never worked with low-level electrotechnics tbh
[16:23] <dlynes> rasp7aa, is there a third supplier?
[16:23] <rasp7aa> ebay
[16:23] <dlynes> rasp7aa, ah...true
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[16:24] * plugwash is in control of 3 Pis at the moment though one technically belongs to the uni
[16:24] <Niall> Mine hasn't shipped yet ;_;
[16:24] <TrickierStinky> would this help my cause? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=7353
[16:24] <dlynes> Niall, if you ordered through RS, they just started shipping their second lot around the beginning of June
[16:25] <_AxS_> hey all ; anyone here have any experience with the raspbmc image? i grabbed -rc2 a few days ago, but it seems that a fairly significant bit of it's first boot process is missing or skipped.. just wondering if i';m supposed to be doing something manually that i can't find instructions for anywhere
[16:25] <dlynes> Niall, I just got mine from them the day before yesterday
[16:25] <Niall> I pre-ordered from Element14 yesterday
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[16:25] <dlynes> Niall, ah..they're not shipping their next batch until August, and if you ordered yesterday, you might not even be on the next batch
[16:25] <Niall> ;_;
[16:26] <dlynes> Niall, at least that's the case for newark (US/Canada division of Element 14)
[16:26] <reider59> This will give you an idea, the fuses are near the LEDs.....http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=8591
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[16:26] <Niall> I'm in the UK. Do you think that would make any difference?
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[16:27] <dlynes> Niall, maybe...some of the other UK guys on here would probably have a better idea though
[16:27] <dlynes> Niall, it only took a couple days for me to get my pi from rs though, and it's in Colby
[16:27] <Niall> Alright, thanks for the help
[16:27] <reider59> Here`s a temp fix but at your own risk, this a quote from a user "I use a tiny piece of aluminium foil and sticky tape on top of each polyfuse."
[16:27] <dlynes> Niall, that being said, it was three weeks of handling time before it shipped
[16:28] <GLaDOSv2> stole my moms keyboard and that does work so it is the keyboard... crappy dealextreme stuff
[16:28] <reider59> nice one
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[16:29] <djh__> i've left my pi running for about 3 weeks now. I don't think I've ever had a computer with that much uptime
[16:29] <_AxS_> GLaDOSv2: how much power are you giving the device? if you're using a AC<->usb adapter like a phone charger, make sure it provides at least 700mA
[16:29] <dlynes> djh__, they were all running Windows? :p
[16:29] <_AxS_> GLaDOSv2: there's plenty of those chargers that don't provide enough juice.
[16:29] <djh__> OSX, but all the same
[16:29] <dlynes> djh__, ah...some of my linux boxes have years of uptime
[16:30] <djh__> woah nice, I might try leaving mine on for a year
[16:31] <_AxS_> nobody knows with the raspbmc image, huh?
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[16:31] <dlynes> raspmc? raspberry mastercard?
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[16:31] <_AxS_> raspberry-pi xbmc minimal image
[16:31] <dlynes> ah
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[16:32] <dlynes> The first one I was thinking about trying is the Qt-enabled OS
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[16:32] <_AxS_> s'all good; will wait 'til the site gets back up and try the -rc3 image in a few days
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[16:33] <dlynes> Still need to source a local supplier of hdmi to vga cables though
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[16:33] <SpeedEvil> You can't do that.
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> You need a HDMI to vgi converter box
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> this will have an external PSU
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> VGA
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> the Pi cannot output analog - you can't simply do it that way
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> well - you could do GPIO + composite out to get mono
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> but...
[16:37] <GLaDOSv2> apperantly my composite is black/white, nice :p
[16:38] <GLaDOSv2> but HDMI cables are relatively expensive
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[16:39] <TrickierStinky> find openmax /
[16:39] <TrickierStinky> sorry wrong screen
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[16:40] <dlynes> I'm curious...is the hdmi connector on the raspberry considered to be hdmi or microhdmi?
[16:42] <plugwash> the HDMI connector on the Pi is a full-sized HDMI connector
[16:43] <dlynes> plugwash, thank you.
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[16:43] <oliebol_> On my tel, I can't see the left 1 1/2 column. How to fix ? (what to search for)
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> GLaDOSv2, you're not the chap on uk.diy are you?
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[16:44] <plugwash> oliebol_, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_configuration
[16:44] <plugwash> overscan_left is the option you are looking to tweak
[16:44] <dlynes> plugwash, and which version of hdmi?
[16:45] <plugwash> dlynes, dunno but I don't think it matters much, afaict all versions of hdmi are intercompatible
[16:45] <dlynes> plugwash, also any idea where the spec sheet is on the board, so i don't need to ask all these questions?
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[16:45] <GLaDOSv2> gordonDrogon: I'm not
[16:45] <Terranigma> is there a reason they didnt go for minhdmi?
[16:46] <plugwash> dlynes, most of the information is on the elinux wiki
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> GLaDOSv2, no wories. there was a chap there who also had monochromo output from the composite video...
[16:46] <TrickierStinky> i give up despotify just wont setup on my po
[16:46] <dlynes> plugwash, ah...on the wiki, ok
[16:46] <TrickierStinky> pi
[16:46] <GLaDOSv2> any idea why my pi is outputting black/white though? :p
[16:46] <plugwash> Terranigma, full-sized hdmi is far more common in my experiance
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[16:46] <IT_Sean> GLaDOSv2 NTSC / PAL setting?
[16:46] <Terranigma> not on phones and tablets imho
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[16:46] <plugwash> using weird connectors is a good way to annoy users off and/or make them incur extra expense
[16:46] <GLaDOSv2> IT_Sean: ?
[16:46] <plugwash> Terranigma, the Pi is not a phone or tablet
[16:47] <dlynes> plugwash, oh yeah...the composite output because it's a uk organization i'm guessing is going to be PAL output, not NTSC?
[16:47] <Terranigma> it also means less space on the pi itself tho
[16:47] <IT_Sean> The default on the Pi is NTSC.
[16:47] <IT_Sean> Depending on what sort of TV you have, you will need to set it to PAL
[16:47] <dlynes> ah, cool
[16:47] <tero_rpi> it is possible to autologin in pi?
[16:47] <tero_rpi> without username and password
[16:47] <tero_rpi> ?
[16:48] <Aldasa> http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-auto-login-and-startx-without-a-display-manager-in-debian.html
[16:48] <dlynes> tero_rpi, change your /etc/inittab, so that the default runlevel is 4 or higher
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[16:49] <dlynes> tero_rpi, and make sure you have xdm installed
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> dlynes, tero_rpi only if running someone other than Debian - Debian doesn't support that sort of action in runlevels...
[16:49] <tero_rpi> what
[16:49] <dlynes> gordonDrogon, the autologin? Or the running X at startup?
[16:49] <tero_rpi> now you guys completly confused me
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> dlynes, runlevel 4
[16:49] <tero_rpi> I don't need aurorun startx
[16:50] <tero_rpi> i just want to type in bash
[16:50] <tero_rpi> when my pi in turned on
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> easist is to install gdm and get it to launch your window manager, then use the WM's controls to make it auto-login.
[16:50] <dlynes> gordonDrogon, Oh...didn't even realize it had changed...haven't gone into inittab in a few years
[16:51] <dlynes> gordonDrogon, I knew it wasn't like that in Ubuntu, but hadn't realized debian changed, too
[16:51] <plugwash> you can certainly edit inittab to do an autologin
[16:51] <plugwash> I just don't remember the exact details of how you do it
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[16:52] <dlynes> tero_rpi, if you just want it autologged into bash on startup
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> dlynes, I've been using Debian for 18 years - I'm not sure it was ever like that..
[16:52] <plugwash> I think you make getty pass some parameters to login to make it log in a user automatically
[16:52] <dlynes> tero_rpi, set your password to nothing
[16:53] <plugwash> look at the manpages for getty and login
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> all this conflicting advice ..
[16:53] <plugwash> dlynes, setting the password to login will still require a username
[16:53] <dlynes> plugwash, oh yeah, true...
[16:53] <tero_rpi> hmm nevermind i still need ssh
[16:54] <tero_rpi> so tihtout password is unsafe
[16:54] <tero_rpi> *without
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> guys, look... just do this: Install gdm. Login using gdm. Use the window managerts controls to tell gdm to login you in automatically. don't fiddle with passwords, gety, login, etc. that's the way to do it.
[16:54] <dlynes> tero_rpi, nvm what I said...I forgot you still need to type in your username
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[16:54] <plugwash> indeed whereas by changing inittab you can make the thing autologin on only one console leaving the others alone
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> you login once with gdm, then tell it to auto-login the next time you boot. That's what I've been doing with my little laptops for years.
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> although I use xfce4 on them.
[16:55] <Terranigma> sudo doesnt seem to work here under a different login#
[16:55] <plugwash> Terranigma, probablly because it's not configured to
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> Terranigma, man sudo - you need to edit the sudoers file to update for a new user...
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[16:56] <dlynes> Terranigma, you need to type 'sudoedit', to modify the sudoers file (or insert_favorite_editor_here /etc/sudoers)
[16:56] <Terranigma> not found
[16:56] <rasp7aa> what was that command to apply sudo to the last command?
[16:56] <rasp7aa> I forgot
[16:57] <jaxdahl3> <uparrow><home><s><u><d><o><spacebar><enter>
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[16:57] <Aldasa> sudo !!
[16:58] <dlynes> Terranigma, so use the second method if sudoedit doesn't exist
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> sudon't
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> visudo :)
[16:58] <dlynes> Terranigma, man sudoers to get an idea how to set the sudoers file up
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[16:58] <dlynes> Terranigma, if you scroll down towards the bottom of the man page, it's got examples of some sudoers entries
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[16:59] <Terranigma> i can do su, but asks for a password that isnt the default one#
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[17:00] <dlynes> Does the raspberry pi distribution of debian require sudo for everything, and have an unknown root password set?
[17:00] <Terranigma> nvm worked#
[17:00] <Terranigma> installing sudo :P
[17:01] <djazz> why doesn't sudo ask for password in debian for rpi?
[17:01] <dlynes> ah....guess it's still like debian squeeze...it uses su
[17:01] <rasp7aa> Aldasa: thanks
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[17:01] <dlynes> djazz, sudo will cache your password if you've used it recently
[17:01] <Aldasa> rasp7aa, np
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[17:01] <dlynes> djazz, wait long enough, and it'll prompt for your password again
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[17:02] <djazz> dlynes: you mean like, hours? still dont ask
[17:02] <djazz> in ubuntu on my laptop it asks everytime i open a terminal or wait some minutes
[17:02] <dlynes> djazz, yeah...I don't know what the default time is, offhand, but after a significant amount of time of not using sudo
[17:03] <dlynes> djazz, perhaps the implementation on the raspberry pi port might be different, though
[17:03] <plugwash> djazz, because it's configured not to
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[17:03] <dlynes> djazz, I don't have mine plugged in yet
[17:03] <djazz> plugwash: kk, ty
[17:03] <Dagger2> 15 minutes is the default, according to the manpage
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[17:09] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=9154
[17:09] <zgreg> wat?
[17:11] <rasp7aa> zgreg: I'm guessing he forced it in and part of the plastic came off
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[17:14] <ReggieUK> but he's saying that the slot 'ruins' sd cards on the fly
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[17:14] <ReggieUK> so it's not even clear what happened
[17:15] <ReggieUK> the only clear thing is that he's put a piece of metal over his sd card slot and thinks he's a champ
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[17:15] <zgreg> well, he said it breaks SD cards. how?
[17:16] <ReggieUK> exactly
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[17:17] <ReggieUK> and also, a slight durp there, if he's pushed it in too hard, try pushing a little bit softer
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[17:19] <rasp7aa> he's probably just someone who needs to make all sorts of useless modifications to feel unique, just like all these useless sods gluing heatsinks on
[17:19] <ReggieUK> language timothy!
[17:19] <rasp7aa> huh
[17:19] <rasp7aa> sods?
[17:19] <rasp7aa> you kidding?
[17:20] <ReggieUK> nope
[17:20] <rasp7aa> sod is perfectly safe
[17:20] <rasp7aa> sod = an unpleasant person..
[17:20] <rasp7aa> or grass
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[17:22] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: is hot diggity banned too?
[17:22] <rasp7aa> or perhaps drat
[17:22] <ReggieUK> saying it lots more times won't make me change my mind :)
[17:22] <rasp7aa> egads?
[17:22] <rasp7aa> Great scott!
[17:22] <ReggieUK> and being sarcastic doesn't help either
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[17:22] <ReggieUK> it's not like I'm accusing you of blasphemy or witchcraft
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> Jimminy Cricket ...
[17:22] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: blast and tarnation!
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> well I'll be stacked sideways.
[17:23] <rasp7aa> stacked?
[17:23] <ReggieUK> I would've been happy with you using the term complete and utter moron, idiot etc.
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> who knows. I used to work with a chap who'd say that from time ti time.
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[17:24] <rasp7aa> I thought it was, f*** me sideways
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, if those terms are applying to the SD card chap, well, then I agree. Muppet.
[17:24] <ReggieUK> indeed
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[17:26] <ReggieUK> meh, self censorship doesn't impress me either
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[17:26] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: Precisely, I hate self censorship.
[17:27] <rasp7aa> I didn't have much choice though
[17:27] <ReggieUK> you had quite a bit of choice, like not write it in the first place
[17:28] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: Sure, I'll PM gordonDrogon next time
[17:28] <TrickierStinky> ReggieUK : I had a look at the blog post you passed me about ilclient.h and the sample thats included with the pi works so i'm confused :D
[17:29] <ReggieUK> tbh I'm not sure how much help it would be but it was an example of something using iclient.h, I didn't look much further than that, I thought you might've been able to glean enough information to get despotify working
[17:30] <ReggieUK> there are a few examples on google of iclient.h and the pi, so perhaps it's a common issue?
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[17:31] <TrickierStinky> yeah i've seen it's just really strange as the example compiles fine but i guess I've not got enough knowledge to progress further
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[17:33] <jaxdahl3> is bloody ok?
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[17:34] <Terranigma> netsurf is pretty fast on a pi :)
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[17:35] <rasp7aa> jaxdahl: I don't think so, I once got told off for saying bloody, although I didn't really understand their reasoning at the time
[17:35] <TrickierStinky> i've found a header file here /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/ilclient/ilclient.h
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[17:35] <TrickierStinky> do i just put that path instead of "ilclient.h"
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[17:42] <TrickierStinky> YES sorted not sure if i hacked it but ilclient/ilclient.h worked
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[17:47] <rasp7aa> you hacked it?
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[17:48] <Cheery> is there way to wake up the display remotely?
[17:48] <TrickierStinky> i mean put the full path in the include and it worked-ish now i have another issue
[17:48] <TrickierStinky> cc: error: /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/libilclient.a: No such file or directory
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[17:53] <TrickierStinky> I bloody well fixed despotify to get a working build thanks for the help guys
[17:53] <TrickierStinky> ls
[17:54] <ReggieUK> that's not really the right way to fix it but if it works for now, well done
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[17:55] <rasp7aa> TrickierStinky: If I said bugger infront of you, how would you interpret that?
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[17:57] <TrickierStinky> a yorkshire saying for saying someone a pain ... ie "bugger lugs"
[17:57] <TrickierStinky> someone's
[17:58] <rasp7aa> TrickierStinky: Thank you for partaking in this poll.
[17:58] <TrickierStinky> y?
[17:58] <ReggieUK> trying to prove an irellevant point
[17:58] <rasp7aa> I think it's relevent
[18:00] <bnmorgan> so what are bugger lugs
[18:01] <rasp7aa> bnmorgan: I dunno, I can never tell what these yorkshirians are saying half the time
[18:01] <TrickierStinky> just what you call someone ie "what you been up to bugger lugs"
[18:01] <bnmorgan> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Buggerlugs
[18:01] <rasp7aa> these damn northerners never make any sense
[18:01] <ReggieUK> I'm going to ask once more, again, nicely, that you stop, if you wish to take it further, go for it
[18:02] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: ?? I think you're contradicting yourself mate.
[18:02] <bnmorgan> ohh, sorry, i must have missed something
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[18:03] <ReggieUK> we've been arguing about this for about 40 minutes, it's tedious and boring, I won't change my mind and I'm the op
[18:03] <ReggieUK> so, test me :)
[18:03] <bnmorgan> no, sorry, i only came in here in the last fe wminutes, and my buffer doesn't go that far back (About 10 minutes in current conversation)
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[18:04] <rasp7aa> ???
[18:04] <rasp7aa> ahahaha. Seriously? That's not going to fly mate.
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[18:06] <agumonkey> anyone has used a nano usb wifi/bluetooth ?
[18:08] <rasp7aa> nope
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[18:09] <Terranigma> just pluuged a bluetooth in to see
[18:10] <rasp7aa> doesn't bluetooth require a load of crap though
[18:10] <rasp7aa> like 100mb of dependencies
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[18:10] <agumonkey> rasp7aa: highly probable
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[18:12] <Terranigma> just installed bluez, lets find out
[18:13] <nezZario> Why doesn't the RP use netbsd as the OS?
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[18:13] <nezZario> waiting for mine..
[18:13] <ReggieUK> Terranigma, I've used one of those little bluetooth units on the pi
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[18:13] <ReggieUK> only tested to see whether it scanned or not
[18:13] <ReggieUK> which it did
[18:14] <Terranigma> i assume i gotta reboot to get it all workign eh#
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[18:15] <ReggieUK> tbh I'm having trouble remembering exactly what I did
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[18:15] <ReggieUK> but hci-tools or hci-utils rings a bell
[18:16] <leftStanding> a quick question, i have a 32GB sd card (debian), hdmi, keyboard, 5V 1Amp power supply but I receive the red power light during plug-in. Anything I should check?
[18:16] <ReggieUK> it's something that's been done a million times on other devices though, so a quick scoot around google will show you what to do
[18:16] <ReggieUK> check that the image actually is on the card
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> leftStanding, do you mean you don't get the red LED or you do?
[18:17] <ReggieUK> unplug everything except power and hdmi and see if it boots then
[18:17] <leftStanding> gordonDrogon: I do receive the red light. I haven't been able to boot it.
[18:17] <ReggieUK> if it does plug things back in 1 at a time through reboots and see what makes it die
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> leftStanding, ok... as ReggieUK says - back to basics - check the image on another PC, then start with as little plugged in as possible.
[18:17] <ReggieUK> check the bottom of your keyboard for it's current rating
[18:17] <ReggieUK> if it's > than 100ma then get a powered hub
[18:18] <ReggieUK> check the voltages on tp1/tp2 when it's booting
[18:18] <ReggieUK> < 4.75ma = bad, get a better power supply
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[18:18] <leftStanding> ok, i'll start there ReggieUK, thanks for the advice
[18:19] <ReggieUK> np
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[18:23] <bnmorgan> good deals on powered hubs?
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[18:25] <rasp7aa> bnmorgan: check the verified accessories list
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[18:27] <bnmorgan> um. where?
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[18:29] <leftStanding> *hooray* the raspberry pi booted! thanks ReggieUK, i swapped out the keyboard and it works
[18:29] <rasp7aa> bnmorgan: http://goo.gl/LVDsZ
[18:30] <bnmorgan> thank you
[18:30] <bnmorgan> dangit i keep typing on the wrong kb
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[18:37] <ReggieUK> excellent leftStanding
[18:37] <ReggieUK> check the current draw on the keyboard that doesn't work
[18:37] <ReggieUK> it may or may not be > 100ma
[18:38] <ReggieUK> if it's rated as > 100ma then that's probably why the pi wouldn't boot
[18:38] <alyosha_sql> Is there any way i can make my keybord work? :)
[18:38] <alyosha_sql> i have some xy keybord without any spec
[18:38] <alyosha_sql> and on PC it works on Pi does not
[18:39] <alyosha_sql> :/
[18:40] <ReggieUK> try it in a powered usb hub connected to the pi?
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[18:42] <rasp7aa> alyosha_sql: what do you use it for?
[18:42] <megatog615> i have a usb keyboard that causes a kernel panic even if it's hooked to a powered hub
[18:42] <megatog615> i just got another keyboard
[18:42] <alyosha_sql> ReggieUK i tried with USB hub and it's the same:/
[18:43] <megatog615> alyosha_sql: is it a kernel panic
[18:43] <megatog615> ?
[18:43] <alyosha_sql> rasp7aa how do u mean what do i use it for? i have it on home PC
[18:43] <alyosha_sql> yes
[18:43] <ReggieUK> I take it you've checked everything else
[18:43] <alyosha_sql> kernel panic somethng something
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[18:43] <alyosha_sql> ReggieUK Pi is working fine without keybord
[18:43] <rasp7aa> alyosha_sql: Well X-Y keyboards are typically used in retail
[18:43] <rasp7aa> like a grocery store
[18:43] <alyosha_sql> i have some weird keybord witch doesnt have any spec
[18:43] <alyosha_sql> anywhere
[18:44] <alyosha_sql> yea it was probably bought in chinatown for 3?
[18:44] <alyosha_sql> :)
[18:44] <alyosha_sql> so i have to go out in this crazy weather and buy new one:/
[18:44] <alyosha_sql> grr
[18:44] <alyosha_sql> tnx anyway
[18:44] <ReggieUK> I wonder if there's anything special for it in the kernel drivers?
[18:44] <megatog615> alyosha_sql: yeah mine was unlabeled
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[18:44] <rasp7aa> alyosha_sql: does it normally work in linux?
[18:45] <alyosha_sql> rasp7aa yes
[18:45] <megatog615> rasp7aa: mine does too
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[18:45] <megatog615> alyosha_sql: we might have the same keyboard
[18:45] <megatog615> alyosha_sql: does it have cheap-looking feet on the bottom?
[18:46] <alyosha_sql> megatog615 :) yes it does:) and it has some buttons above F1-12 keys
[18:46] <alyosha_sql> something for music
[18:46] <alyosha_sql> play stop
[18:46] <alyosha_sql> and some useless stu
[18:46] <alyosha_sql> stuff
[18:46] <megatog615> oh, mine doesn't have that
[18:46] <alyosha_sql> maybe i have your keybords younger sister:))
[18:47] <alyosha_sql> anyway i must go to the store
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[18:50] <Tachyon`> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-18555832
[18:50] <sjaak_trekhaak> I experience short sound drops (2secs or smth) every few minutes when playing HD content on my Pi using RaspBMC. Any ideas?
[18:50] <Tachyon`> love the way the pistol is included in case the crucifix, stakes etc. fail
[18:51] <ntwrk_keith> has anyone gotten raspbmc to work on a 2GB card?
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[18:55] <bnmorgan> um, having trouble getting a # in nano
[18:55] <bnmorgan> no idea why
[18:55] <bnmorgan> shift 3 gives me a GBP sign
[18:55] <D-side> local
[18:55] <D-side> locale even
[18:55] <rasp7aa> bnmorgan: the default keyboard layout is uk
[18:55] <sjaak_trekhaak> just dropped, guess nobody had an idea yet about the sound drops?
[18:55] <D-side> its set for a uk keymap
[18:56] <bnmorgan> alright. stby
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[18:57] <bnmorgan> could someone give me the command to change locale so i don't have to back up and find it?
[18:58] <three14> dpk-reconfigure locales?
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[18:59] <bnmorgan> command not found
[18:59] <D-side> dpkg
[18:59] <D-side> :|
[18:59] <rasp7aa> you'd be better off buying a uk keyboard, it is superior.
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[19:08] <bnmorgan> dang 6" monitor, i can barely see what's going on
[19:08] <bnmorgan> how do i type a # on UK
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[19:09] <_inc> Two keys left of return
[19:09] <_inc> Or one sometimes
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[19:10] <bnmorgan> above
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[19:10] <bnmorgan> where pipe and backslash are
[19:11] <OllieMorfik> kewl i got a butane soldering iron
[19:11] <bnmorgan> awesome.
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[19:12] <rasp7aa> pipe and backslash are next to left shift
[19:12] <Gadgetoid> Driving shift registers from the Pi in Ruby... not so effective!
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[19:12] <Gadgetoid> I think I'll need to add a C helper function for shifting out
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[19:12] <archstanton77> help
[19:13] <archstanton77> how do you save i dont seem to have access to home folder
[19:13] * bnmorgan dials 911
[19:13] <archstanton77> nee naw
[19:13] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[19:13] <rasp7aa> bnmorgan: you're using a uk layout now, its 999
[19:13] <archstanton77> rasberry pi irc is the 5th emergency service
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> or 112 ...
[19:14] <bnmorgan> funny that uk emergency services gets porn in the us
[19:14] <rasp7aa> 112 is for all of europe
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> When I allocate numbers in Bristol, they start 911 xxxx ...
[19:14] <archstanton77> haha awesome
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> 112 works in the UK too.
[19:14] <rasp7aa> yup
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[19:15] <archstanton77> im using debian sqeeze
[19:15] <rasp7aa> But, like the euro, I refuse to use 112 in the uk!
[19:15] <rasp7aa> pound ftw!
[19:15] <archstanton77> currenty logged in as pi
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[19:17] <djazz> I get "Input/output error" whenever i try to access my webcam at /dev/video0
[19:17] <djazz> Eye Toy camera
[19:17] <bnmorgan> so far i'm really liking certain things about debian
[19:19] <archstanton77> i take it people can save to home pi folder normally
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[19:19] <OllieMorfik> i luv deb+ian tew
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[19:20] <Kolin> im prety sure 911 works in th uk as well
[19:20] <archstanton77> sorted nevermind
[19:20] <nperry> Isn't it 112 now?
[19:20] <archstanton77> was using scratch and it was trying to save to the root of home
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> 911 DOES NOT work in the UK.
[19:21] <OllieMorfik> yeah i typed 112 on a cellphone in the states and it called to five 0
[19:21] <archstanton77> 112 should work everywhere
[19:21] <OllieMorfik> the five0
[19:21] <Kolin> it does!
[19:21] <Kolin> i just tried it!
[19:21] <OllieMorfik> dipshit
[19:21] <rasp7aa> wtf??
[19:21] <IT_Sean> dollweed
[19:21] <IT_Sean> *dillweed
[19:21] <OllieMorfik> dont be claling emergency services
[19:21] <rasp7aa> you do realise you can get fined for that
[19:21] <archstanton77> thats not an emergency
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> 112 has been working in the UK for some years now.
[19:21] <rasp7aa> like ??400
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[19:22] <nperry> Bribe them with Pi.
[19:22] <archstanton77> think the first bit is automated on 112
[19:22] <archstanton77> or is it
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, You may be subject for a fine for malicious use of the emergency services... I've called 999 & 112 dozens of times to test it though.
[19:22] <zutto> most countries redirect the 911 number to their own emergency number
[19:22] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: O.o
[19:22] <djazz> hm, got webcam working. reconnected it :)
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> can' in the UK as it's part of the dialing codes in some areas.
[19:22] <archstanton77> which webcam
[19:23] <djazz> hm, it crashed
[19:23] <archstanton77> eyetoy?
[19:23] * gordonDrogon runs a small telephone company..
[19:23] <djazz> ye
[19:23] <Kolin> gordonDrogon: it does work
[19:23] <archstanton77> cool
[19:23] <archstanton77> i need to get edimax nano wireless sorted in a bit
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> I call then when testing a new installation. I explain that there is no emergency, confirm my details and thank them for their time. They're OK with that.
[19:23] <Kolin> from an o2 mobile anyway
[19:23] <archstanton77> ive seen its possible
[19:24] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: Wouldn't it have been better to call your mobile or something?
[19:24] <archstanton77> oh one other thing sound on hdmi
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[19:25] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, I do that to check basic connectivity, but I also need to check that the EHA databases are working.
[19:25] <archstanton77> doesnt work out of the box?
[19:25] <rasp7aa> or the speaking clock
[19:25] <rasp7aa> 123
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, thats costs money :)
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> I know the PBX works - it's making doubly sure the clients can dial 999 on it that I need to check.
[19:25] <archstanton77> everything costs money
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> providing 999 services to my clients costs me money and I'm not allowed to charge it on )-:
[19:26] <OllieMorfik> asterisk
[19:26] <archstanton77> what happens if the 9 key breaks as you leave
[19:26] <OllieMorfik> i guess i have my own telco too
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> archstanton77, they dial 112 :)
[19:26] <archstanton77> haha
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> OllieMorfik, yes, I use asterisk.
[19:27] <archstanton77> but you havent tested that
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[19:27] <archstanton77> just use 0800 of a company you dont like for the testing
[19:27] <OllieMorfik> checkout app_rpt
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> you draw the line somewhere... I know that 112 works in the PBX - it uses the same code as 999 does... I just need to make sure that the database is correct for the number.
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> archstanton77, basic connectivity is tested by other means - I do need to test 999 dialling.
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[19:28] <archstanton77> anyway anyone know sound over hdmi?
[19:28] <archstanton77> issues something ive got to do etc
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[19:29] <archstanton77> damn got to go and do some decorating my time is up
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[19:29] <archstanton77> if anyone knows ill check when i return
[19:30] <djp_> archstanton77: sound over hdmi working here
[19:30] <djp_> archstanton77: using debian
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> archstanton77, there's a modprobe you need to do, but I've forgotten the exact rune.
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> archstanton77, it's like modprobe snd_bcm2835
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> I think.
[19:30] <djp_> archstanton77: wiki has details if you're having problems
[19:30] <D-side> i gotta get wireless working
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> Yes, sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[19:31] <D-side> i've never actually done this in linux :|
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> wires are better...
[19:31] <D-side> and yet i still need wireless
[19:32] <djp_> you can set snd_bcm2835 to load at boot time so you don't need to worry about it
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> add it into /etc/modules
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> or (as I did) compile it into the kernel...
[19:33] <djp_> like gordonDrogon says! :)
[19:34] <djazz> hmm, tried different webcams and all work, but only for about 5 sec
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[19:34] <djazz> after that i must reconnect the cable
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[19:34] <zutto> how are you checking the webcams?
[19:34] <djazz> xawtv, motion, ffmpeg
[19:35] <zutto> odd,i have no problems with $2 chinese webcam
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[19:35] <djazz> "libv4l2: error turning on stream: Input/output error"
[19:35] <D-side> how the hell
[19:35] <D-side> does raspbmc
[19:35] <D-side> not have vi
[19:35] <djazz> "v4l2: ioctl(fildes = 4 "/dev/video0", request = VIDIOC_STREAMON, int *data = { V4L2_BUF_TYPE_VIDEO_CAPTURE }) failed, Input/output error (5, EIO) because a low-level I/O error occurred in the "/dev/video0" usb video4linux character special device, possibly as a result of a preceding read(2) or write(2) system call"
[19:36] <zutto> D-side: raspbmc has apt-get, you can just install it
[19:36] <D-side> i know
[19:36] <D-side> but it should be there already :|
[19:36] <zutto> actually, no :|
[19:36] <zutto> nano
[19:36] <zutto> >*
[19:36] <djp_> D-side: it doesn't? that's good to read... i hope it has emacs by default mind?! ;)
[19:36] <D-side> that makes me sad for you :(
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[19:37] <djp_> D-side: :)
[19:39] <OllieMorfik> yall need to learn vi
[19:39] <D-side> I KNOW.
[19:39] <_inc> Please no vim/emacs debates :p
[19:39] <D-side> its not
[19:39] <D-side> its vim vs nano
[19:39] * djp_ is waiting to play with the raspberry pi... currently the domain of his 9 year old...
[19:39] <D-side> and there's no question which is superior
[19:39] <D-side> i'm supposed to add a :D to the end of that
[19:39] <zutto> lol
[19:39] <D-side> to show that its lighthearted and fun
[19:39] <D-side> except it isnt. its srs bsns
[19:40] <djp_> lol
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[19:40] <zutto> been using nano/pico for what, over 10 years? no wai i'd move to anything else >;O
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[19:41] <D-side> airplay sorta worked on raspbmc
[19:41] <D-side> thats good
[19:41] <Syliss> sorta?
[19:41] <D-side> yeah i tried it
[19:41] <OllieMorfik> sort of*
[19:41] <D-side> it died
[19:41] <Syliss> what issues did you have?
[19:41] <Syliss> hmm
[19:41] <D-side> i tried it again and it worked
[19:41] <Syliss> ah, i didn't have any issues
[19:42] <D-side> the second time around it streamed perfectly
[19:42] <D-side> seeking was perfect
[19:42] <Syliss> what distro where u using?
[19:42] <D-side> played the dd5.1 stream
[19:42] <D-side> raspbmc
[19:42] <Syliss> ah
[19:42] <D-side> the latest RC
[19:42] <D-side> rc3
[19:42] <Syliss> i am using darkelec
[19:42] <D-side> i'm trying to get wifi working on it now
[19:42] <D-side> darkelec kinda irritates me
[19:42] <D-side> solely because i need ot build it myself in order to add the wireless fw file
[19:43] <Syliss> hmm
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[19:43] <Syliss> I'm using a wrt54g since i don't have any wifi cards
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[19:47] <WASDx> I'm confused about how the GPIO is supposed to controled a LED. I can connect 3.3V-resistance-LED-GPIO and then turn it on and off?
[19:48] <nickp666> Hi all, can anyone point me in the direction of a pin header block for the GPIO pins, Maplin were about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike and I dont have any boards I can salvage one from. TIA
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, yes, you can do that.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> nickp666, get some leads from skpang.
[19:50] * gordonDrogon looks up the link.
[19:50] <WASDx> Does the GPIO act as ground when it is off then?
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-premium-150mm-mf-pack-of-10-p-909.html
[19:50] <ReggieUK> get 2x40pin female headers if you want to make your own breakout
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, you can do it that way - when you set the gpio to an output and set it low, it will act like a gound pin and sink current.
[19:51] <ntwrk_keith> anyone running RaspBMC RC 3?
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, 'traditionally' you'd use the gpio to drive an led - so gpio - resistor - led - 0v
[19:51] <nickp666> thanks gordonDrogon
[19:52] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: ah, I see. So GPIO outputs 3.3V?
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> nickp666, their starter kits are good value if you don't have a breadboard, etc.
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, gpio outputs 3.3v or can sink current to ground.
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> I'm in the middle of putting this together - might help: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/gpio-examples-1-a-single-led/
[19:53] <nickp666> thanks gordonDrogon - have a few bits left over from my arduino that I can salvage - is just really the pins that were a pain
[19:53] <WASDx> Then I suppose it's also possible to use two GPIOs, one for power source and one for ground?
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> nickp666, ok - sounds good.
[19:53] <ReggieUK> they can't source too much current though
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, you can, but it's a waste of gpio.
[19:53] <WASDx> Thanks gordonDrogon, that's just what I'm looking for
[19:53] <ReggieUK> so I don't expect you could drive superbrights off them at full tilt
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> nickp666, just remember the pi is 3.3v not the 5v of an arduino :)
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> 16mA max ...
[19:54] <nickp666> indeed :)
[19:54] <ReggieUK> oh? Is that the default?
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> (although I've sucked 30mA out of a GPIO pin in the past - sort of deliberately by accident...
[19:54] <nickp666> 30mA? lol
[19:54] <ReggieUK> I thought they had different driving strengths at boot
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, I suspect the driving strengths are more hints ...
[19:54] <ReggieUK> hahahaha :D
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> I shorted the limited resistor with an ammeter to see what would blow first - the LED of the GPIO pin. Both survived.
[19:55] <ReggieUK> I would suspect that the bank can obviously source more current and you got away with it on a single pin
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> probably!
[19:56] <ReggieUK> but running them all at double the rating would more than likely cause issues
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> although I'm currently driving 17 LEDs off a Pi at once.. with 330 ohm series resistors, so not quite maxing it out...
[19:56] <ReggieUK> and given that the pi sucks at power....
[19:56] <ReggieUK> Are you pwming them?
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, no.
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
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[19:58] <ReggieUK> 330 ohms on 3.3v = 10ma
[19:58] <ReggieUK> so not even close to maxing out
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[19:58] <ReggieUK> weee, blinkies!
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[19:59] <gordonDrogon> yea - those leds probably ought to have something closer to 47 ohms @ 3.3v
[19:59] <WASDx> I'm looking at a led and it says "forward voltage: 2...3V". Does that mean any voltage in between depending on how bright you want it to shine?
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> I tried it at 47 ohms on a couple of pins, but the increase in brightness wasn't worth it...
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, 2...3V ? seems odd to me. normally they just specity a single voltage.
[20:00] <zutto> yah
[20:00] <zutto> 2v 20ma is "standard" for leds
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, is it a fairly ordinary 5mm LED ?
[20:01] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: https://www.elfa.se/elfa3~se_en/elfa/init.do?item=75-102-41&toc=20292
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, if so, then a 270 to 330 ohm resistor will be fine.
[20:01] <ReggieUK> in general, from my understanding, as long as the input voltage is higher than the forward voltage, it'll work, and the closer the 2 are together, the less resistance you'll need to limit current
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, Hm. just stick a 270 or 330 owm resistor with it. It'll be a bit dimmer than it could be, but that's not going to be a big issue.
[20:02] <WASDx> alright I'll buy a 270 one
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[20:02] <gordonDrogon> LEDs are often quite forgivng for the hobbyist :)
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[20:02] <ReggieUK> 'buy a 270 one' - you're not just going to order a single resistor are you?
[20:02] <WASDx> Yes
[20:02] <zutto> :|
[20:02] <WASDx> I only need one
[20:02] <OllieMorfik> heh
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> sounds like he's in .se ... stuff's expensive over there!
[20:03] <WASDx> it's a physical store as well, no shipping needed
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[20:03] <WASDx> I'll take my bike there
[20:03] <WASDx> the price listed is swedish kronor
[20:03] <oldman> The majority of my videos fail to play on raspbmc. Could it be a codec problem? Are there any codecs I can download?
[20:03] <zutto> WASDx: just get few of them, you never know if you're going to fail
[20:03] <zutto> also, get few extra leds too
[20:03] <WASDx> yeah you're right
[20:03] <ReggieUK> get a red green and a blue led :D
[20:04] <WASDx> :D
[20:04] <WASDx> that will be like... one euro total
[20:04] <ReggieUK> it's expensive but worth it
[20:04] <WASDx> heh
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[20:04] <ReggieUK> ebay is very cheap for this stuff WASDx
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[20:05] <Dinoclor> Hello?
[20:05] <ReggieUK> but no good if you want it today of course
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> I think skpang gave me some stupidy extra bright LEDs with my last order instead of normal ones. even with a 330 ohm resistor they're too bright to look at directly!
[20:05] <WASDx> ReggieUK: I have a physical store nearby. The shipping would be ten times as expensive than the few items i want
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[20:06] <zutto> ReggieUK: same thing with chinese stores, like dealextreme
[20:06] <ReggieUK> defnitely free shipping on ebay but I do realise you want stuff today :)
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[20:06] <WASDx> I don't even have my Pi yet. It got shipped 2 days ago at least
[20:07] <zutto> O.o
[20:07] <WASDx> so i'm starting to plan stuff. Going to buy my sd-card tomorrow
[20:07] <Dinoclor> I can't find any power cables which are verified or have a microusb on the internet. I have looked in Best Buy and Future Shop IRL. Do you know where I can get a charger that works from the internet (in Canada)?
[20:07] <Dinoclor> Please?
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> Dinoclor, buy a space phone charger ?
[20:08] <Dinoclor> Space phone?
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[20:08] <WASDx> Dinoclor: I got a wallplug-to-usb along with a regular micro-usb cable
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> *spare
[20:08] <Dinoclor> But where did you get it?
[20:09] <WASDx> dealextreme
[20:09] <Dinoclor> Ok, thanks
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[20:09] <WASDx> but expect a month for it to deliver
[20:09] <Dinoclor> But I waited a month for my pi D:
[20:09] <zutto> Dinoclor: you can just walk to any store that sells phones and ask for micro usb charger and wall plug
[20:09] <Dinoclor> Hmm ok
[20:10] <WASDx> make sure it's 1000mA
[20:10] <Dinoclor> k
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. Clients just dumped 100GB of data onto their server and wants to make sure it's backed up via the Internet ASAP ...
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> their outgoung line speed is 1.2Mb/sec )-:
[20:12] <zutto> lol, fun times
[20:12] <WASDx> megabit? ugh
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> yea, they're cheapskates.
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[20:13] <gordonDrogon> going to have to go on-site with a drive to do a bulk copy.
[20:14] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: does it matter if the resistor and the LED switch places?
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, no!
[20:14] <WASDx> alright
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[20:14] * PRETTY_FUNCTION (~sigBART@ Quit (Client Quit)
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, it does matter which way round the LED is though - the long leg goes to the positive side.
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[20:15] * PiBot sets mode +v PRETTY_FUNCTION
[20:15] <WASDx> oh yeah i know that part :P
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> long legs are a lovely plus ...
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[20:15] * PiBot sets mode +v kevc
[20:15] <IT_Sean> ^ Good way to remember that
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> :)
[20:16] <zutto> you can also look inside the LED to determine wich side is minus (minus wire is bigger inside the LED)
[20:16] <Dinoclor> If I get http://bit.ly/Kt0CUt can I get any usb-microusb cable to use or do I need one made for charging?
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[20:16] <zutto> Dinoclor: yes
[20:16] <Dinoclor> Yes to what?
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[20:16] <WASDx> that one looks good to me Dinoclor. Along with a regular cable
[20:16] <zutto> you can get any cable with that
[20:16] <Dinoclor> Thanks! :D
[20:17] <zutto> just remember that dealextremes shipping times are really long
[20:17] <WASDx> my record is 3 months!
[20:17] <zutto> WASDx: 7 months, beat that!
[20:17] <WASDx> hah
[20:17] <WASDx> 19 days was the shortest one
[20:17] <rasp7aa> dx do offer a paid shipping option
[20:17] <zutto> i've never got anything under 1.5months :|
[20:18] <zutto> rasp7aa: thats not too fast either
[20:18] <WASDx> I think i've ordered 4 or 5 times. Only one was above a month
[20:18] <zutto> most times takes the processing inside DX, shipping is always 5-14 days
[20:18] <Dinoclor> lol
[20:19] <rasp7aa> zutto: unless it's chinese new year
[20:19] <Dinoclor> Is it?
[20:19] <rasp7aa> no
[20:19] <zutto> shipping time doesnt change ;|
[20:19] <rasp7aa> but shipping always takes much longer around holidays
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[20:19] <zutto> 14 days max, after that you can pretty much call them and tell them that you didnt get your package
[20:19] <Dinoclor> IT says 7-10 during new year season
[20:20] <Dinoclor> :/
[20:20] <Dinoclor> \:
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[20:20] * PiBot sets mode +v kevc
[20:20] <Dinoclor> Everyone is contradicting each other!
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[20:20] <zutto> tl;dr, dealextremes shipping is slow all year around!
[20:21] <rasp7aa> but extra slow around holidays
[20:21] <zutto> i still say no to that :|
[20:22] <Dinoclor> Everything is so cheap there. There must be a catch >_>
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[20:22] <zutto> Dinoclor: they're chinese products, thats the catch
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[20:22] <zutto> some of them last for years, some of them might break after you open the package
[20:22] <Dinoclor> Oh, ok
[20:22] <rasp7aa> zutto: almost everything is a chinese product
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> sounds like dealextreme might wait until they hav enough orders to fill a pallet load, then they order them...
[20:23] <zutto> rasp7aa: yeah, but the quality and price is usually higher ;p
[20:23] <zutto> gordonDrogon: yeah, they do that
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> woops :-) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/22/women_in_science_eu_campaign/
[20:23] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: They don't bother restocking either, "out of stock" on dx is code for don't ever expect to see this product again
[20:23] <WASDx> Does anything bad happen if I accidentally connect two GPIOs who are on to eachother?
[20:23] <IT_Sean> WASDx: bad things could happen
[20:24] <rasp7aa> WASDx: an explosion
[20:24] * kevc (~kev@kerouac.projectcolo.org.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[20:24] <WASDx> Tomorrows headline: Geek uses $25 computer to blow up building
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[20:25] <zutto> lol ;p
[20:25] <Dinoclor> Eben recalls all RasPis
[20:25] <zutto> "terrorists used 25$ computer for suicide attacks, and plane bombing!"
[20:25] <huene> $35 - the model a isn't out yet :)
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, if your unlucky and set both to outputs and one set high and the other low, you might blow-up both ports.
[20:25] <WASDx> huene: the newspapers always get that wrong
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, *possibly* even the rest of the Pi, but who knows.
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, just don't do it.
[20:26] <huene> oh. i forgot
[20:26] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: yeah that's what happens with no resistance right? division by zero?
[20:26] <Dinoclor> Do they sell fake SD cards or are they really genuine?
[20:27] <WASDx> I'm picking up my SD card from a real store tomorrow. They are cheap enough there
[20:27] <rasp7aa> dividing by zero would cause an implosion, not an explosion
[20:27] <Dinoclor> The price looks right
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[20:27] * PiBot sets mode +v mythos
[20:27] <rasp7aa> Dinoclor: fake
[20:27] <zutto> yeah, they're fake, but they work
[20:27] <rasp7aa> Dinoclor: on dx "designer" is code for fake.
[20:28] <zutto> i'm pretty sure i'm using some microsd card on my PI right now from DX
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, well it'll just get hot... and hotter and ...
[20:28] <WASDx> The said it didn't need cooling
[20:28] <Dinoclor> So are thay all fake?
[20:28] <WASDx> they*
[20:28] <rasp7aa> Dinoclor: hit and miss, there's no way to be sure but it's safer to assume they'll be fake.
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, yes, under normal circumstances - not when some numpty connects 2 GPIOs together..
[20:29] <WASDx> heh
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[20:30] <gordonDrogon> zutto, plan foiled when the batterys run out ...
[20:30] <rasp7aa> Dinoclor: it's like ebay, you shouldn't be buying flash media off ebay
[20:30] <rasp7aa> or earphones
[20:30] <WASDx> So my shopping list would be: Some leds, some 270 resistors and some female-male jumper cables
[20:30] <WASDx> Also I have no breadboard
[20:30] <Dinoclor> Ok
[20:30] <zutto> gordonDrogon: whops ;p
[20:30] <rasp7aa> WASDx: get a ribbon cable
[20:30] <WASDx> Oh one of those
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[20:31] <Dinoclor> It would be safe to buy a charger and usb-microusb cable from them though?
[20:31] <zutto> rasp7aa: what? the earphones are excellent on DX
[20:31] <WASDx> rasp7aa: Like an old IDE cable?
[20:31] <rasp7aa> Dinoclor: assume the specs are blatent lies
[20:31] <D-side> lol
[20:31] <zutto> no, dont
[20:31] <zutto> >_>
[20:31] <D-side> DX sucks
[20:31] <D-side> and sells nothing but garbage that i would never trust
[20:31] <zutto> the specs are correct :|
[20:32] <rasp7aa> zutto: what headphones? the cheapy chinese ones? Or a proper brand?
[20:32] <zutto> rasp7aa: the cheap chinese ones
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[20:32] <rasp7aa> D-side: The torches are really good on deal extreme
[20:32] <Leestons> Just when I thought I had everything for my pi, I need to do more shopping :(
[20:32] <Dinoclor> I just need to know whether it's safe to by a charger :|
[20:32] <D-side> rasp7aa: i was just about to say that
[20:32] <rasp7aa> zutto: Yeah, at least you know what you get.
[20:32] <Leestons> My power supply is 5v at 400ma lol
[20:32] <D-side> rasp7aa: i built a surefire clone out of parts on DX
[20:32] <D-side> worked great til my father nicked it
[20:32] <D-side> and wont admit to it
[20:33] <rasp7aa> I love my little 300 lumen
[20:33] <D-side> i bought a foursevens instead so i'm okay
[20:33] <rasp7aa> I need to order some more batteries for it though
[20:33] <D-side> at 4x what i paid to build the one off DX
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[20:33] <D-side> rasp7aa: what does it take?
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[20:33] <D-side> cr123s?
[20:33] <rasp7aa> cr123a's
[20:33] <rasp7aa> yeah
[20:33] <D-side> i was gonna ask if you're in the US
[20:33] <Dinoclor> 1000ma you say?
[20:34] <D-side> but then i remembered "torches"
[20:34] <D-side> and thta answers that
[20:34] <rasp7aa> lol
[20:34] <Dinoclor> Canada :3
[20:34] <D-side> i got a box of i think 15 cr123as for as many dollars
[20:34] <Dinoclor> You know, the place above the USA
[20:34] <D-side> which i thought was amazing
[20:34] <D-side> Dinoclor: yes, america's hat
[20:34] <rasp7aa> the only downside to the torches is the efficiency is really bad. You get super bright.. for about an hour.
[20:34] <D-side> rasp7aa: yeah.
[20:34] <D-side> rasp7aa: thats one of the reasons i switched to a AA cell light
[20:35] <Dinoclor> America's hat?!
[20:35] <Dinoclor> OH LOL
[20:35] <rasp7aa> no america is canada's pants
[20:35] <Dinoclor> >_>
[20:35] <D-side> rasp7aa: http://www.flashaholics.co.uk/images/nitecore/ex10-nitecore.jpg
[20:35] <Dinoclor> AHAHA
[20:35] <D-side> what i used to carry
[20:35] <rasp7aa> D-side: Yeah mine is similar
[20:36] <D-side> what i carry now: http://www.foursevens.com/product_info.php?products_id=2927
[20:36] <rasp7aa> perfect size to fit in a change pocket in jeans
[20:36] <D-side> i really did prefer the small size of that nitecore but the AA rechargeables i use are just amazing.
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[20:36] <D-side> sanyo eneloop ftw
[20:36] <D-side> rasp7aa: yeah.
[20:36] <Dinoclor> Apparently it's review is good
[20:37] <mythos> hmm... canada does not look like a hat for me
[20:37] <Dinoclor> But I don't know if that's fake too...
[20:37] <D-side> i can't config wifi on raspbmc
[20:37] <D-side> and i wanna flip a table
[20:38] <itsrachelfish> hi #raspberrypi
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[20:38] * PiBot sets mode +v MSDOS-4-RPi
[20:38] <rasp7aa> (??????????????????? ?????????
[20:38] <D-side> rasp7aa: i prefer mine:
[20:38] <D-side> (?????????????????? ????????????
[20:38] <itsrachelfish> What additional compontents would I need to use the GPIO to control voltage to LEDs?
[20:38] <D-side> it really does look a lot more enraged
[20:38] <Dinoclor> I am annoyed by the lack of knowledge whether the charger I need to buy is fake or not. I want to flip a table.
[20:38] <rasp7aa> ????????????( ?? _ ?????)
[20:39] <MSDOS-4-RPi> itsrachelfish, maybe a /\/\/\/\
[20:39] <rasp7aa> Dinoclor: link?
[20:39] <itsrachelfish> Is that an ASCII resistor?
[20:39] <zutto> Dinoclor: "Fake" as in not a real charger, or "fake" as in not real brand-named product >_>?
[20:39] <MSDOS-4-RPi> yes, do you like it?
[20:39] <MSDOS-4-RPi> :D
[20:39] <itsrachelfish> No, I don't.
[20:39] <itsrachelfish> Maybe a... variable resistor?
[20:39] <MSDOS-4-RPi> Why?...
[20:39] <Dinoclor> (?????????????????? ?????????
[20:40] <itsrachelfish> Because I don't want my LEDs to be a specific voltage
[20:40] <Dinoclor> Fake as in it will fry my RAsPi when I get it
[20:40] <rasp7aa> Dinoclor: it probably won't be suitable for the pi, because it may not be anywhere close to 5V or whatever amperage it's supposed to be
[20:40] <itsrachelfish> I want them to be EVERY voltage!
[20:40] <MSDOS-4-RPi> Sorry, i'm bad paintings resistors in ASCII
[20:40] <Dinoclor> (?????????????????? ????????????
[20:40] <itsrachelfish> Dinoclor: Why would it fry your pi?
[20:40] <zutto> rasp7aa: thats not true :|
[20:40] <Dinoclor> It might have fake specs
[20:40] <Dinoclor> (?????????????????? ??????????????????
[20:40] <itsrachelfish> ...use a voltmeter?
[20:40] <zutto> DX doesnt sell products with fake specs
[20:40] <rasp7aa> Dinoclor: it won't fry your pi, it will just be a waste
[20:40] <Dinoclor> I don't have one >_>
[20:40] <itsrachelfish> Buy one?
[20:41] <itsrachelfish> They're very useful
[20:41] <rasp7aa> zutto: Not fake specs.. they just won't be as accurate as proper brands like belkin.
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[20:41] <zutto> they are
[20:41] <rasp7aa> so instead of 5v it will be 4.3v
[20:41] <MSDOS-4-RPi> My RPi can fly
[20:41] <Dinoclor> Will it still work though?
[20:42] <zutto> yet to see single product from DX that would have that inaccurate specs
[20:42] <rasp7aa> you're better off buying a phone charger off amazon
[20:42] <D34TH> but will it blend
[20:42] <zutto> they follow the standards and list +-X% fail rate as all other products that need to list it
[20:42] <D34TH> rasp7aa: amazon brand kindle fire charger
[20:42] <D34TH> 5v @ 1.8A
[20:42] <OCA|> I'll second the Fire charger, mine's working great
[20:43] <Dinoclor> Illl look at that
[20:43] <nickp666> I am using an old Apple charger
[20:43] <D34TH> also its the exact type of plug you need
[20:43] <MSDOS-4-RPi> My Raspberry Pi is saying to me that i must kill all my family
[20:43] * nickp666 realises that this may be a swear word here...
[20:44] <rasp7aa> nickp666: huh
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[20:44] <nickp666> well, I used the brand "Apple"
[20:44] <nickp666> was waiting to be flamed.
[20:44] <neofutur> MSDOS-4-RPi: not surprised ewith such a nick
[20:44] <D34TH> nothing wrong with apple chargers
[20:44] <Dinoclor> Ok, I'll get a Fire charger
[20:44] <rasp7aa> get over yourself
[20:44] <neofutur> just seeing MSDOS i also want to kill :p
[20:44] <Dinoclor> And now I can buy everything else
[20:44] <D34TH> the new ipad chargers are damn good quality
[20:44] <Dinoclor> But I am still frustrated
[20:44] <MSDOS-4-RPi> neofutur, why, DOS is better than Linux
[20:45] <nickp666> LOL
[20:45] <MSDOS-4-RPi> in the Stargate universe
[20:45] <Dinoclor> (??????????????????? ?????????
[20:45] <MSDOS-4-RPi> xD
[20:46] <D34TH> hey msdos
[20:46] <D34TH> why not freedos
[20:46] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: I'm looking at your post number 3 about having a button. So that pin has a 3.3V out with builtin 1.8k ohm resistance? What exactly happens when you press the button, how does that pin recognize it?
[20:46] <MSDOS-4-RPi> DOS is better, support x64 CPU, ARM, even Cell processors
[20:47] <itsrachelfish> Would it be possible to use a capacitor with pulse width modulation to control the voltage of an LED?
[20:49] <nickp666> does anyone see any worth in an android port btw? (With some stuff lifted from androidx86 project - mouse control etc)
[20:49] <Xark> itsrachelfish: I don't think you even really need a capacitor. Square wave works nicely for controlling LED brightness.
[20:49] <rlp10> if I use omxplayer I can play media without X, it goes straight to the graphics. can i do the same thing with mplayer? at the moment it doesn't seem to work.
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[20:50] <mythos> rlp10, nope
[20:50] <Xark> rlp10: It has a dependency on X.
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[20:50] <itsrachelfish> Xark: Do you have any examples? I was playing around with it last night but I could only control the duration the LED was on, not the brightness.
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[20:51] <rlp10> mythos, Xark: thanks for the quick reply :) the community for the rpi seems to be great
[20:51] <mythos> rlp10, you can use -vo fbdev (look into the manpage), but that isn't quite what you want
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, you need to program the pin as an input, then read the value.
[20:51] <mythos> rlp10, you want an openmax-accelerated output and mplayer does not have one
[20:51] <Xark> itsrachelfish: Are you using Python or another slow language? Generally if you rapidly alternate on/off (at least like 30+ times a second) it will be perceived as "dim". If you vary the percentage of time on vs off, you should be able to get fine brightness control.
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, the 1.8K resistor will normally pull the pin to +3.3v, so it will read high(1).
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[20:52] <itsrachelfish> Yeah I was using the python library
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, when you push the button, it shorts the gpio pin to 0v and the pin will read low(0)
[20:52] <rlp10> mythos: ah, I guess that's what omx means in omxplayer :)
[20:52] <mythos> rlp10, right ;)
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[20:52] <Xark> itsrachelfish: It may be possible to use hardware PWM (in which case the chip deals with the duty cycle). I am not sure about this on the RPi currently (works great on other chips).
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> itsrachelfish, you don't need a capacitor - just drive it directly from PWM.
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[20:53] <gordonDrogon> itsrachelfish, down-side is that the Pi only has one PWM output...
[20:54] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: So pushing the button changes what the pin outputs which then can be read as it is in input mode?
[20:54] <itsrachelfish> It has an output specifically for PWM?
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, you need to program the GPIO pin to be an input. They're switchable in software.
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> itsrachelfish, yes.
[20:54] <Xark> itsrachelfish: Apparently. That would be the hardware PWM I am talking about. :) No doubt it has more than one, but only one "available" on GPIO...
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[20:55] <gordonDrogon> It has 2 PWM outputs, but only one on the GPIO.
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[20:55] <gordonDrogon> and it's a good idea to disconnect speakers connected to the 3.5mm jack before playing with the PWM :)
[20:55] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: So it's able to be in input-mode while still outputting those 3.3V?
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[20:55] <MSDOS-4-RPi> neofutur, Windows Vista has hardware acceleration on the RPi
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[20:55] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, no, when in input mode, it's not outputting anything.
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[20:56] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: What does pressing the button actually do? Create resistance?
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, it's 'listening' for a signal..
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, pressing the button changes the voltage from 3.3v to 0v.
[20:57] <mikey_w> Grounds the pin.
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[20:57] <WASDx> I don't understand where the voltage is coming from. The connection looks like pin-button-ground?
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, that's exactly what the connection is, however ...
[20:57] <neofutur> msilas: and your vista works on 256 mb ram ?
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, on the Pi board, there is a 1.8K resistor connecting the pin to +3.3v
[20:58] <Dinoclor> The fire charger isn't avaliable in Canada D:
[20:58] <WASDx> Oh, there are some connections behind that pin?
[20:58] <Dinoclor> (??????????????????? ?????????
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, gpio pins 0 and 1 have this 1.8K resistor - none of the others have it.
[20:58] <rlp10> mythos: is omxplayer the only media player with openmax acceleration?
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[20:59] <mythos> rlp10, gstreamer has an openmax-sink. but omxplayer is at the moment the best player, afaik
[20:59] <Dinoclor> (??????????????????? ????????????
[21:00] <rlp10> mythos: ok, thanks for the information. it doesn't seem to have a man page and the readme doesn't seem to include commands to control it whilst its playing.
[21:00] <mythos> rlp10, i never used it.
[21:00] <Kasreyn> yay! seizure smileys
[21:00] <Dinoclor> (?????o??????????? ????????????z
[21:00] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: So my guess is that the button has a high resistance by default, but clicking it removes the resistance hence leading the current to the ground and the pin knows it?
[21:00] <rlp10> mythos: no problem, thanks anyway
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, not quite... maybe for now just accept what's happening...
[21:01] <WASDx> yeah okay
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, the pin when in input mode is measuring voltage.
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, the 1.8K resistor connected to 3.3v will read as a logic "high" on the pin.
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, when you connect the pin to 0v (via the button) then the voltage will be zero on the pin, and the pin will read a logic low
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[21:02] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, do you have a multimeter?
[21:02] <WASDx> no
[21:03] <WASDx> I think i understand it enough
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> do you have female to female jumper wires?
[21:03] <WASDx> nope
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> ok. no easy way to demo this to you for now.
[21:03] <WASDx> I really have no electronic equipment at home
[21:03] <WASDx> Aside from this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1-7e0TFDGc
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[21:04] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, that's a start...
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[21:05] <Dinoclor> /quit RAAAGE (?????????????????? ????????????
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, good way to slice an ear off, but it's a start ...
[21:05] <Dinoclor> wut
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> try putting it on blu-tak the next time :)
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[21:07] <WASDx> Now when I remembered it, could the RPi control that CD-spinner or is the voltage too low? I don't remember the exact number on those batteries
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[21:09] <Cheery> if I'm wrriting wrapping for opengl ES 2.. should I call it oes module instead of gl?
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[21:11] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, not directly. You need some sort of buffer/relay/drive to turn it on / off.
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[21:12] <WASDx> okay
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[21:14] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, This fan: http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan2.jpg is speed controlled by the Pi.
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[21:15] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg is going a bit slower.
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[21:15] <WASDx> :D
[21:16] <rasp7aa> what if the lego comes loose and flings bricks into your eye
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[21:16] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: are there any performance loss to using a file for swap rather than a separate partition?
[21:16] <WASDx> reading through your other pages now
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[21:16] <Xark> rasp7aa: "Do not look at lego with remaining eye" :)
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[21:20] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, none that you'll ever notice.
[21:20] <WASDx> alright
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> Xark, good one :)
[21:20] <Xark> :)
[21:20] <skwish> I just got my raspberry pi, and now full of questions... am I in the right place?
[21:20] <WASDx> skwish: Probably
[21:21] <Xark> skwish: After you have read the FAQ, sure. :)
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[21:22] <skwish> I got the debian image booted, but unable to get wifi, so trying arch. So far, I've been unable to boot the arch image. At least all I get is a blank screen.
[21:22] <skwish> I've verified the image (sha1hash checks), and re-imaged my sd cards with debian to confirm that my process is correct.
[21:22] <OllieMorfik> cool tried raspbmc
[21:22] <skwish> Any ideas what I could try next?
[21:22] <OllieMorfik> music/pictures work great ;)
[21:23] <OllieMorfik> weather too
[21:23] <WASDx> skwish: check http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_WiFi_Adapters
[21:23] <WASDx> not sure why arch is failing. That's what I'm intending to install when I get mine
[21:23] <OllieMorfik> need the right kernel modules and stuff for wifi to work
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> skwish, also stick with one distro - just switch distros just because one thing doesn't work - if you stick with it you'll probably learn a lot more.
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> more people probably use Debian for now.
[21:24] <OllieMorfik> better off trying to compile a custom kernel/modules
[21:24] <rasp7aa> raspbian ftw
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> I've been using it or 18 years, so may appear somewhat biased..
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[21:24] <skwish> WASdx: awesome, I'm happy to see my wifi in that last
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[21:25] <Tenchworks> just a thought but your wifi adapter might be underpowered and thus refusing to run, are you running it in a powered usb hub?
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[21:25] <skwish> gordonDragon: good plan, I'll try debian again, but still confused why arch wont even boot.
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[21:25] <skwish> Tenchworks: yes, I'm using a very nice powered external usb hub
[21:26] <OllieMorfik> anyone know raspbmc's default login creds(ssh)
[21:27] <Terranigma> pi raspberry
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[21:27] <Terranigma> ow
[21:27] <Terranigma> hmm
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[21:28] <rasp7aa> OllieMorfik: they're listing on the git page
[21:28] <OllieMorfik> cool im in ;)
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[21:31] <grindking> rc3 won't even boot on mine so i just gave up even using raspbmc
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[21:31] <grindking> cuz of them being ddosed or some lame nonsense
[21:31] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[21:31] * Terranigma slaps grindking
[21:31] <grindking> lol
[21:31] * Terranigma MB
[21:31] <Terranigma> just so u know
[21:31] <skwish> is archlinuxarm-29-04-2012.img the latest arch image available?
[21:31] <grindking> i have yet to see rc3 boot
[21:31] <Terranigma> rc3 boots here
[21:32] <grindking> mine just says system is uploading to flash memory or whatever
[21:32] <Terranigma> then again i installed it when the site wasnt offline yet
[21:32] <grindking> and never finishes then just dumps to prompt :D
[21:32] <grindking> yah and they say there are mirrors all over on the download page
[21:32] <grindking> and you go to all the mirrors and there are no links for it
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[21:33] <OllieMorfik> yeah loading to ram shouldnt take longer than a min or two
[21:34] <OllieMorfik> i tried messing with it yesterday kept failing tried again this morning and worked fine
[21:34] <grindking> maybe the server will stop being ddosed some day
[21:34] <grindking> i could try again
[21:34] <Terranigma> i didnt really see much difference between it and the latest openelec tbh
[21:35] <D-side> i got raspbmc rc3 going
[21:35] <D-side> but
[21:35] <D-side> can't get wifi working on it
[21:35] <_inc> What was the different goals between them?
[21:35] <D-side> i'm really hit hard buy the video buffering issues people are reporting
[21:35] <D-side> every 4-6min there's a 30sec pause in play as it buffers
[21:35] <OllieMorfik> i havent tried installing more stuff but raspbmc has a debian base so i think apt works openelec is stuck with the firmware no software packages to play with
[21:35] <rasp7aa> _inc: raspbmc has a debian backend while openelec is it's own thing and super lightweight
[21:36] <Terranigma> didnt even get far enough in a video yet to notice it
[21:36] <D-side> openelec is nice.
[21:36] <Terranigma> the b0rked 5.1 already makes me stop a video within a minute
[21:36] <D-side> but rasp7aa is right, its not really easily "extensible"
[21:36] <D-side> Terranigma: 5.1?
[21:36] <D-side> you mean audio?
[21:36] <Terranigma> yes
[21:36] <D-side> see
[21:36] <D-side> i dont have that problem
[21:36] <_inc> What's the point in raspbmc then? Apt?
[21:36] <OllieMorfik> yeah man
[21:36] <Terranigma> directly connected to tv
[21:37] <D-side> outputting DD5.1 via hdmi, no issue
[21:37] <D-side> to receiver
[21:37] <rasp7aa> _inc: you get all that precompiled driver goodness
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[21:37] <Terranigma> well stereo speakers on the tv
[21:37] <Terranigma> so u get muffled voices
[21:37] <Terranigma> whilst bg music is loud
[21:38] <Terranigma> volume constantly goign up and down
[21:38] <skwish> has anyone here gotten archlinuxarm-29-04-2012.img booted with hdmi out?
[21:38] <OllieMorfik> like if you want to make a xbmc python app that uses say any linux prog as a backend you could (like make an xbmc "fortune displayer" just need to apt-get install fortune and write a python plugin with openelec you'd have to recompile an image with fortune :P
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[21:38] <rasp7aa> Terranigma: maybe it's got a dynamic range compressor
[21:38] <Terranigma> the tv?
[21:39] <Terranigma> i tried aevery settign on it
[21:39] <rasp7aa> xbmc
[21:39] <Kyzz> anyone create something cool with their RPi?
[21:39] <Terranigma> doesnt make a difference
[21:39] <_inc> So the drivers provided by the foundation are only working in Debian based? (not too savvy with low level stuff)
[21:39] <Terranigma> set to 5.1 or downmixing tio stereo, its the same
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[21:39] <Terranigma> to*
[21:39] <rasp7aa> Kyzz: I've got pi.dnsd.me
[21:39] <grindking> yah 'uploading filesystem into memory' endlessly
[21:39] <OllieMorfik> maybe rebuild the sdcard image
[21:40] <OllieMorfik> and try again
[21:40] <Kyzz> rasp7aa: Mine is still in the box...i dont know where to begin hahahaha
[21:40] <OllieMorfik> not much else you can try
[21:40] <skwish> Kyzz: begin with getting all the wires you need :)
[21:40] <grindking> olliemorfik: yah last night it couldn't redownload
[21:40] <Gadgetoid> rasp7aa: nice
[21:40] <Kyzz> I shall soon enough :P
[21:40] <OllieMorfik> the download should be fine
[21:41] <OllieMorfik> if you want i can md5sum the one that worked for me
[21:41] <skwish> Kyzz: also, don't forget a quality sdcard or two
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[21:41] <OllieMorfik> 7ec8190e60091f3310324da7a4ff4f14 installer.img.gz
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[21:42] <grindking> nope servers must still be being ddosed
[21:42] <grindking> raspbmc i mean
[21:42] <Kyzz> slwish how large?
[21:43] <skwish> Kyzz: at least 4gb I think. Tho I went with 16 and 32.
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> Kyzz, this is 'cool' ...http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg
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[21:43] <Gadgetoid> Minecraft is strangely addictive on the xbox, too accessible!
[21:43] <OllieMorfik> /dev/mmcblk0p3 7.3G 608M 6.3G 9% / (my raspbmc's root)
[21:43] <OllieMorfik> 608M used
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[21:44] <Kyzz> gordonDrogon: see that's awesome! but I'm not sure how to do anything like that
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[21:45] <rasp7aa> Gadgetoid: on the phone is even more accessible
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[21:46] <gordonDrogon> Kyzz, it's a bit of fun, but the pi is controlling the speed of the fan.
[21:46] <Kyzz> RPi fan controller o.O
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[21:47] <Gadgetoid> ohai, lego :D
[21:48] <_inc> Someone should make a spinny led pseudo-globe display
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[21:48] <gordonDrogon> Lego is cool.
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> Kyzz, when the Gertboard eventually comes out it'll make it easier for people to connect stuff like that up if you're not sure about making it yourself.
[21:49] <Gadgetoid> I have loads of lego, including some of the power functions stuff
[21:49] <Gadgetoid> Which I could probably control via IR from the Pi, if I salvaged a diode from somewhere
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> I saw some of those recently. dont have any...
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> just build a motor controller and drive it directly.
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[21:51] <gordonDrogon> I cut a genuine lego 2x2 power brick cable to get that motor going. It really hurt me to cut it... but a sacrifice had to be made..
[21:51] <_inc> Gadgetoid: Charity shop? Dead mac remote in drawer? (I know I have one)
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[21:51] <gordonDrogon> _inc I suspect he's refering to the Lego IR remote control interface..
[21:52] <_inc> Sorry im on phone
[21:52] <Gadgetoid> _inc: I don't know how the lego IR stuff works
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[21:52] <_inc> Mobile irc
[21:53] <skwish> has anyone tried installing android? is it possible?
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[21:53] <gordonDrogon> skwish, your free to try.
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[21:58] <rasp7aa> skwish: you'd probably need to create a bootloader
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[22:04] <gordonDrogon> ugh. hit firefox bug again. or maybe it's tinymce and it's photo handling. bother.
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> it's locked my mouse cursor. Now I have to kill firefox, losing edits.
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[22:06] <rasp7aa> you need to move on from firefox
[22:06] <rasp7aa> come join the rest of the world with chrome
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[22:08] <OllieMorfik> ignore the built-in Google spyware
[22:08] <rasp7aa> O.o
[22:09] <OllieMorfik> cause cmon theyre "not evil" they said so! they wouldnt lie to me! ... would they?
[22:09] <ntwrk_keith> if i do "sudo initctl start xbmc"
[22:09] <ntwrk_keith> and it said the job is already started
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[22:09] <ntwrk_keith> does that mean I should have a GUI now?
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[22:14] <OllieMorfik> ntwrk_keith: i'd think so "ps ax|grep xbmc" to see if its up
[22:15] <D34TH> i use 'ps aux | grep name'
[22:15] <OllieMorfik> whatever works
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[22:30] <ntwrk_keith> OllieMorfik, ty just saw this
[22:30] <ntwrk_keith> it actually works
[22:30] <ntwrk_keith> however, i dont know how to get my wifi adapter to work
[22:30] <ntwrk_keith> theres no place to put in wifi settings
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[22:33] <skwish> I'm just curious, is there anyone here connected to irc using your rasppi?
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[22:34] <rasp7aa> skwish: lots
[22:35] <ntwrk_keith> this is so frustrating
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[22:35] <rasp8aa> skwish: I am
[22:35] <skwish> rasp?aa: awesome
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[22:36] <rasp8aa> irrsi
[22:36] <IT_Sean> ?
[22:36] <ntwrk_keith> IT_Sean, have you tried raspbmc?
[22:36] <rasp8aa> irssi*
[22:36] <IT_Sean> I have not.
[22:36] <skwish> as soon as I figure out my wifi drivers, I'll use irssi :)
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[22:37] <IT_Sean> I was on my old laptop, which hasn't got a GUI irc client onnit
[22:37] <ntwrk_keith> im trying to get my RPi connected to network using wifi adapter
[22:37] <ntwrk_keith> but the gui has no options to input anything
[22:37] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: lemme know when you do
[22:38] <D-side> because i tried with mine
[22:38] <ntwrk_keith> so i guess I'm screwed
[22:38] <rasp7aa> you're not living up to your name keith
[22:38] <D-side> and i wanna throw it out the window
[22:38] <ntwrk_keith> i deal with switches/routers
[22:38] <ntwrk_keith> not linux
[22:38] <rasp7aa> you're a fraud
[22:38] <ntwrk_keith> stop trolling
[22:38] <rasp7aa> ?
[22:38] <D-side> lol
[22:39] <ntwrk_keith> if you arent going to help, shut up
[22:39] <ntwrk_keith> in a nut shell
[22:39] <rasp7aa> no
[22:39] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: how do you show the full bgp table on a brocade switch? :D
[22:41] <ntwrk_keith> you cant even run ifconfig from the CLI
[22:41] <ntwrk_keith> i dont use brocade
[22:41] <ntwrk_keith> couldnt tell u
[22:41] <D-side> :|
[22:42] <skwish> ntwrk_keith: I use ifconfig, from the cli
[22:42] <ntwrk_keith> on raspbmc?
[22:42] <D-side> sure
[22:42] <skwish> ntwrk_keith: no, sorry.
[22:42] <D-side> either specify the path
[22:42] <D-side> or su yourself
[22:43] <ntwrk_keith> path to what?
[22:43] <D-side> ..
[22:43] <D-side> ifconfig
[22:43] <ntwrk_keith> i'm a linux newb i apologize
[22:43] <D-side> okay fine
[22:43] <ntwrk_keith> ifconfig has a path?
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[22:43] <D-side> everything has a path
[22:43] <ntwrk_keith> i thought it was just a command like ipconfig
[22:43] <D-side> /sbin/ifconfig
[22:43] <D-side> if you're not root
[22:43] <ntwrk_keith> oh ok
[22:43] <D-side> you need to specify it
[22:43] <ntwrk_keith> let me try that
[22:43] <ntwrk_keith> one sec
[22:43] <D-side> or
[22:43] <D-side> you can type "sudo su -"
[22:43] <D-side> which is basically the same as enabling yourself
[22:43] <skwish> or: sudo bash
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> sudo -i
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[22:44] <D-side> gordonDrogon: that's much better indeed
[22:44] <D-side> same result
[22:44] <ntwrk_keith> ok that worked
[22:44] <D-side> but still
[22:44] <D-side> of course it did
[22:44] <ntwrk_keith> the /sbin/ifconfig
[22:44] <ntwrk_keith> however
[22:44] <ntwrk_keith> I need the wifi aspect
[22:45] <ntwrk_keith> iwconfig did not work
[22:45] <D-side> i'm gonna give you a lot of credit if you can figure out the wifi thing
[22:45] <D-side> because i couldnt
[22:45] <ntwrk_keith> or /sbin/iwconfig rather
[22:45] <D-side> and i'm not new to this
[22:45] <mythos> D-side, it's a miracle! you are a wizzard ;)
[22:45] <D-side> mythos: wat
[22:45] <ntwrk_keith> ugh
[22:45] <ntwrk_keith> the sarcasm
[22:45] <ntwrk_keith> worse than a gaming community
[22:45] <ntwrk_keith> sorry if i'm new to linux
[22:45] * ntwrk_keith bows to all of you
[22:45] <ntwrk_keith> better?
[22:45] <rasp7aa> you come of as really elitist keith
[22:45] <D-side> actually
[22:45] <D-side> i was being serious
[22:45] <ntwrk_keith> D-side, so you think the functionality hasnt been added?
[22:45] <ntwrk_keith> not u D-side
[22:46] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: it is to a degree
[22:46] <skwish> ntwrk_keith: do you see a loaded wifi module in the output of: lsmod
[22:46] <mythos> ntwrk_keith, only a little fun. don't give up. it's not that hard if you are used to it
[22:46] <ntwrk_keith> and i'm not
[22:46] <ntwrk_keith> so its all that fun
[22:46] <ntwrk_keith> let me run lsmod
[22:46] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: are you a black dude who lives in jersey
[22:46] <D-side> well that's a no
[22:46] <D-side> SC maybe
[22:47] <D-side> did i unplug my pi
[22:47] <D-side> wtf
[22:47] <D-side> afk
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[22:47] <rasp7aa> umm
[22:47] <ntwrk_keith> not that i understand the output
[22:47] <ntwrk_keith> but
[22:47] <ntwrk_keith> i dont think so skippyish
[22:47] <ntwrk_keith> i am from jersey
[22:47] <ntwrk_keith> lol
[22:48] <skwish> ntwrk_keith: do you see it listed in the output of: lsusb
[22:48] <ntwrk_keith> but i dont understand why u ask
[22:48] <mythos> ntwrk_keith, what does iwconfig tell you?
[22:48] <ntwrk_keith> it doesnt tell me anything, gives an error back
[22:48] <ntwrk_keith> one sec skwish
[22:48] <mythos> which error?
[22:48] <ntwrk_keith> command not found skwish
[22:49] <ntwrk_keith> mythos: no such file or directory
[22:49] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: do you LIVE in jersey?
[22:49] <ntwrk_keith> not anymore
[22:49] <ntwrk_keith> I used to
[22:49] <D-side> okay just checking
[22:49] <ntwrk_keith> linden
[22:49] <ntwrk_keith> as a matter of fact
[22:49] <D-side> wow
[22:49] <D-side> no wonder you left
[22:49] <ntwrk_keith> lmao
[22:49] <ntwrk_keith> where u at?
[22:50] <mythos> ntwrk_keith, that does not make sense. you should get a command not found
[22:50] <mythos> *at least
[22:50] <D-side> old bridge
[22:50] <ntwrk_keith> i did /sbin/iwconfig
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[22:50] <ntwrk_keith> it said no file or directory
[22:50] <ntwrk_keith> D-side why did you assume I was from jersey?
[22:50] <D-side> it may not be in /sbin
[22:50] <mythos> ntwrk_keith, which iwconfig <-- that's a command
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[22:50] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: i didnt, i just knew a black dude named kevin who was a network admin
[22:51] <ntwrk_keith> i know its a command
[22:51] <D-side> and figured it'd be hilarious if you were him
[22:51] <ntwrk_keith> but thats the output
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> D-side, I never used sudo until I got my Pi... 30 years of 'su' or logging in as root ...
[22:51] <ntwrk_keith> why would i call myself keith then?
[22:51] <mythos> ntwrk_keith, sorry, you said you are new...
[22:51] <ntwrk_keith> no problem
[22:51] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: i meant keith
[22:51] <D-side> damnit
[22:51] <D-side> also
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[22:51] <mythos> ntwrk_keith, and? what does "which iwconfig" gives you?
[22:52] <ntwrk_keith> oh
[22:52] <ntwrk_keith> let me try
[22:52] <D-side> in raspbmc, "which" doesnt show things that arent in your path
[22:52] <D-side> thats dumb
[22:52] <skwish> if iwconfig isn't in his path, than which wouldn't show it, would it?
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[22:52] <D-side> hm
[22:52] <D-side> i thought it would but apparently not
[22:52] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: sudo -i
[22:52] <skwish> maybe just use find, and wait
[22:52] <D-side> its like enable
[22:52] <D-side> type that
[22:53] <D-side> then you'll have access to the iwconfig binary
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[22:53] <ntwrk_keith> hmm
[22:53] <ntwrk_keith> ok
[22:53] <ntwrk_keith> which iwconfig didnt return anything
[22:53] <ntwrk_keith> let me try sudo -i
[22:54] <mythos> you guys help him. i have a book to read ;)
[22:54] <ntwrk_keith> well
[22:54] <D-side> hard for me to help him when i cant get the damn thing working either
[22:54] <ntwrk_keith> command not found after doing sudo -i
[22:54] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: lol
[22:55] <D-side> i probably should have mentioned
[22:55] <mythos> find / -name iwconfig
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[22:55] <D-side> that those arent installed by default on rasbmc
[22:55] <D-side> so dont worry about that find command
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[22:55] <D-side> apt-get install iwtools
[22:55] <D-side> no
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[22:55] <D-side> wireless-tools
[22:55] <D-side> i think?
[22:55] <ntwrk_keith> oh
[22:55] <ntwrk_keith> im going to have to power it down and connect directly to router
[22:55] <D-side> lol i just killed network access to my pi
[22:55] <D-side> great
[22:55] <ntwrk_keith> ok
[22:55] <markus_> my raspberry pi will come next month. i was trying to order the same second orders were opened
[22:56] <ntwrk_keith> D-side, if u cant get it to work, I might as well quit
[22:56] <ntwrk_keith> lol
[22:56] <D-side> markus_: same. had mine for about 2 weeks
[22:56] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: i wasn't going to say that directly.
[22:56] <D-side> because that'd just be rude
[22:56] <markus_> D-side: you had it?
[22:56] <D-side> but
[22:56] <ntwrk_keith> :)
[22:56] <D-side> there's some merit in that comment
[22:56] <ntwrk_keith> do you think they will add this?
[22:56] <D-side> markus_: misspoke
[22:56] <D-side> i've had mine for about two weeks. keeping it.
[22:57] <ntwrk_keith> or will we have to connect physically with a Cat5 cable?
[22:57] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: hard to say. too many variables. the kernel is ready to go for wifi stuff
[22:57] <D-side> but they cant really add all the necessary things for it
[22:57] <Cheery> I wonder where could I get a simplest possible opengl ES 2 shader
[22:57] <D-side> like individual firmware files for every wifi dongle out there
[22:57] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: what usb wifi adapter have you got
[22:57] <ntwrk_keith> its a rosewill
[22:57] <skwish> D-side: do you know what to do once you have the firmware files?
[22:57] <skwish> D-side: this is where I'm stuck
[22:58] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: need to know what transceiver that is
[22:58] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: it might just not work
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[22:58] <ntwrk_keith> hmmm I have no idea to be honest
[22:58] <D-side> skwish: how did you get the firmware files? a deb package?
[22:58] <skwish> ntwrk_keith: the output of lsusb should tell you, or just look at dmsesg output
[22:58] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: do you know if that one even works in linux?
[22:58] <ntwrk_keith> I'm used to Windows, plug it in, download drivers... it works
[22:58] <D-side> yeah no
[22:58] <D-side> that doesnt work in linux ntwrk_keith
[22:58] <ntwrk_keith> lsusb didnt work skwish
[22:58] <ntwrk_keith> no such command
[22:58] <skwish> D-side: I downloaded them from others who posted it in the forum
[22:58] <D-side> you'd have to install lsusb
[22:59] <ntwrk_keith> ok
[22:59] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: have you got network access to this thing?
[22:59] <ntwrk_keith> let me get this thing back on the network
[22:59] <ntwrk_keith> so I can ssh
[22:59] <D-side> skwish: and you put them in /lib/firmware ?
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[22:59] <skwish> D-side: yes, 8192cu.ko
[22:59] <D-side> no
[22:59] <D-side> that's a kernel module
[22:59] <D-side> not a firmware
[22:59] <skwish> D-side: yes, you're correct, I meant rtl8712u.bin
[23:00] <D-side> okay
[23:00] <skwish> D-side: and 8192cu.ko into /lib/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
[23:00] <D-side> and that's in /lib/firmware ?
[23:00] <D-side> okay so that's good
[23:00] <D-side> modprobe 8192cu
[23:00] <D-side> then check dmesg
[23:00] <D-side> see if the kernel recognizes it
[23:00] <skwish> that works, but says "Used by" is 0
[23:00] <D-side> what is this, raspbmc?
[23:01] <ntwrk_keith> ok
[23:01] <skwish> and no "wlan0" in the output of ifconfig
[23:01] <ntwrk_keith> i'm in
[23:01] <D-side> skwish: ifconfig -a
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[23:01] <skwish> btw, I'm using debian, not raspbmc
[23:01] <D-side> still nothing?
[23:01] <skwish> D-side: correct, just eth0 and l0
[23:01] <Gadgetoid> Mmm, piezo electric buzzer
[23:01] <skwish> D-side: err, eth0 and l0...
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[23:01] <ntwrk_keith> updating apt-get and then i'll get lsusb and wireless-tools
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[23:02] <ntwrk_keith> unable to locate package lsusb
[23:03] <ntwrk_keith> ok iwconfig works now
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[23:04] <ntwrk_keith> but says no wireless extensions on the interfaces which makes sense
[23:04] <skwish> is there a way to "tie" a kernel module/firmware to a specific usb device?
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> skwish: what do you mean?
[23:04] <ntwrk_keith> is the package name for lsusb something else?
[23:04] <Raynerd_> Evening, can anyone give me any advice on how to install java on the pi - or my best/only way of getting this running? I`m not going to ask a lot of it, but would like to try
[23:04] <skwish> SpeedEvil: I see my wifi listed in lsub, and I have the kernel module listed, but not sure how to connect the two together
[23:05] <ntwrk_keith> ah its a part of the usbutils package
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[23:06] <skwish> I guess I wonder if I can do whatever depmod -a does, but manually force the kernel module to "bind" to my wifi usb... (obviously I don't really understand this stuff)
[23:06] <ntwrk_keith> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0cf3:9271 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.11n
[23:06] <ntwrk_keith> thats got to be it
[23:06] <ntwrk_keith> so the Pi sees it from a physical standpoint
[23:08] <ntwrk_keith> doesnt look like they have drivers listed on their site for Linux
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[23:08] <SpeedEvil> If the module loads, then it will create a device
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> loads and recognises the hardware properly
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[23:10] <skwish> SpeedEvil: if I see the module in lsmod, but it says "Used by" is 0, will is still create a device?
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> Used by 0 generally means it's loaded, but not doing anything, as it's not found the hardware
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> Check dmesg
[23:14] <skwish> SpeedEvil: I see the usb wifi listed in dmesg, every time I plug or unplug it, but I'm starting to think the driver I have may not match the exact hardware (despite what others on the internet say) rtl8191su vs 8192cu
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[23:17] <skwish> cool, this is probably my problem, as someone else in the forum posted: "The module which works with your Edimx (8192cu) does not seem to work with rtl8191su chipset. However, Steffen Muller's blog provides the working one ."
[23:17] <D-side> lol annnnnnd
[23:17] <D-side> iwlist wlan0 scan
[23:17] <D-side> will successfully scan ssids
[23:18] <D-side> and then drop me from the damn network
[23:18] <D-side> when connected via wired
[23:18] <D-side> awwwwwesome
[23:18] <ntwrk_keith> D-Side
[23:18] <ntwrk_keith> I'm working on getting firmware for mine now
[23:19] <ntwrk_keith> pi@raspbmc:~$ tar jxvf compat-wireless-2012-05-10-p.tar.bz2
[23:19] <ntwrk_keith> tar (child): bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
[23:19] <ntwrk_keith> tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[23:19] <ntwrk_keith> tar: Child returned status 2
[23:19] <ntwrk_keith> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[23:19] <ntwrk_keith> whats that mean?
[23:19] <mjr> you need bzip2 which you lack
[23:19] <ntwrk_keith> ok
[23:19] <ntwrk_keith> thanks
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[23:21] <ntwrk_keith> ok its unzipped i guess
[23:21] <ntwrk_keith> need to find where though
[23:21] <ntwrk_keith> oh i see it
[23:22] <ntwrk_keith> ok what package allows me to use the "make" command?
[23:22] <D-side> i'm about to say "the hell with this"
[23:22] <D-side> and go buy one of those wifi "game extenders"
[23:22] <mjr> on debian(ish), apt-get install build-essential
[23:22] <D-side> kind of an AP
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[23:23] <ntwrk_keith> thanks again :) hopefully it works once done downloading/installing
[23:23] <D-side> i'm gonna be really irritated
[23:24] <D-side> if yours works before mine
[23:24] <ntwrk_keith> I bet it wont
[23:24] <ntwrk_keith> cause its me
[23:24] <D-side> i hope it does for yoursake
[23:24] <ntwrk_keith> and i have no clue what I'm doing
[23:24] <D-side> and for my sake i hope your pi sets itself on fire if it does work
[23:24] <D-side> now i'm mad
[23:24] <D-side> (?????????????????? ????????????
[23:24] <ntwrk_keith> ouch
[23:25] <Milos> Calm down and do whatever you're doing slowly.
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[23:25] <ntwrk_keith> ok make appears to be working
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[23:26] <ntwrk_keith> pi@raspbmc:~/compat-wireless-2012-05-10-p$ make
[23:26] <ntwrk_keith> ./scripts/gen-compat-autoconf.sh /home/pi/compat-wireless-2012-05-10-p/.config /home/pi/compat-wireless-2012-05-10-p/config.mk > include/linux/compat_autoconf.h
[23:26] <ntwrk_keith> make -C /lib/modules/3.1.9-test-12-06/build M=/home/pi/compat-wireless-2012-05-10-p modules
[23:26] <ntwrk_keith> make: *** /lib/modules/3.1.9-test-12-06/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
[23:26] <ntwrk_keith> make: *** [modules] Error 2
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[23:27] <esotera> generally that indicates that the directory isn't there or that make can't find it, I got that one yesterday trying to setup my wifi
[23:28] <ntwrk_keith> hmm
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[23:28] <ntwrk_keith> i'm following the instructions so dont know what to do
[23:28] <Milos> What's in /lib/modules/ ?
[23:28] <Milos> I don't think t here is a 3.1.9-test-12-06.
[23:28] <Milos> There will probably just be 3.1.9+ or 3.1.9.
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[23:29] <ntwrk_keith> pi@raspbmc:~/compat-wireless-2012-05-10-p$ dir /lib/modules
[23:29] <ntwrk_keith> 3.1.9-test-12-06
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[23:29] <Milos> Oh, well then I'm not sure.
[23:30] <Milos> Oh raspbmc, right.
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[23:30] <Milos> Not sure.
[23:30] <ntwrk_keith> wait
[23:30] <ntwrk_keith> i can do ./scripts/driver-select
[23:30] <ntwrk_keith> and choose the specific driver
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[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> lets see if that works
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[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Processing new driver-select request...
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Backing up makefile: Makefile.bk
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Backup exists: Makefile.bk
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Backup exists: Makefile.bk
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Backup exists: Makefile.bk
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Backup exists: Makefile.bk
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Backing up makefile: drivers/net/wireless/Makefile.bk
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Backing up makefile: drivers/net/wireless/ath/Makefile.bk
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Backing up makefile: net/wireless/Makefile.bk
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Backing up makefile: drivers/ssb/Makefile.bk
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Backing up makefile: drivers/bcma/Makefile.bk
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Backing up makefile: drivers/misc/eeprom/Makefile.bk
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> Backup exists: Makefile.bk
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> sorry for the spam
[23:31] <bnmorgan> uhh
[23:31] <Milos> Please don't paste in here.
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> looks like it worked though?
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> sorrry
[23:31] <OllieMorfik> ...
[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> sorry :)
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[23:31] <IT_Sean> ...
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[23:32] <D-side> what's that even from?
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[23:32] <ntwrk_keith> after I did ./scripts/driver-select ath9k_htc
[23:32] <Milos> In terms of the earlier issue, I've come to realise that raspbmc doesn't include the build files so you can't actually build modules, it seems.
[23:32] <ntwrk_keith> to slect my driver
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[23:32] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: from where?
[23:32] <D-side> what dir were you in when you did it?
[23:32] <ntwrk_keith> uhm
[23:32] <OllieMorfik> wpa_supplicant startup script would work for auto wifi (with correct config + drivers installed/laoded
[23:32] <D-side> if you'er still in there, pwd will tell you
[23:32] <D-side> OllieMorfik: i wish i knew how to make that go
[23:33] <ntwrk_keith> this one: /compat-wireless-2012-05-10-p
[23:33] <OllieMorfik> er does /etc/network do that
[23:33] <ntwrk_keith> I downloaded the tar for the drivers
[23:33] <ntwrk_keith> and unzipped it
[23:33] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: aha
[23:33] <D-side> gotcha.
[23:33] <ntwrk_keith> it made that dir
[23:33] <OllieMorfik> auto wifi channel ssid/pass
[23:33] <ntwrk_keith> so now that I selected the driver.... whats next?
[23:33] <D-side> so you've got an ath9k_htc too
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[23:33] <ntwrk_keith> yes i do
[23:33] <bnmorgan> could someone tell me how to make tightvnc run automatically?
[23:33] <Milos> What OS?
[23:33] <Milos> You mean on startup?
[23:34] <bnmorgan> debian and yes
[23:34] <Milos> An easy way is apt-get install rcconf and then use the GUI.
[23:34] <Milos> I.e. type rcconf once it's installed.
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[23:34] <bnmorgan> alright.
[23:34] <bnmorgan> will give it a shot.
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[23:36] <ntwrk_keith> D-side? any clue whats next?
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[23:40] <Gadgetoid> Hmmm, should have bought two LDRs so my laser beam break could measure and compensate for the ambient light level
[23:41] <D-side> BAH
[23:41] <D-side> (?????????????????? ????????????
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[23:41] <D-side> now this thing is showing available essids
[23:41] <D-side> but wont associate
[23:41] * D-side throws everything out the window
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[23:42] <Gadgetoid> D-side: plug in a network cable, works a treat :D
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid: naah - TV remote recievers work well
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid: and appropriately modulated laser
[23:42] <Gadgetoid> SpeedEvil: ohrly!?
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[23:42] <Gadgetoid> How much infra-red is in your average red laser
[23:43] <bnmorgan> zero
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> Many are somewhat sensitive to red
[23:43] <Raynerd> s
[23:43] <ntwrk_keith> D-Side
[23:43] <ntwrk_keith> Have you seen this thread? http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=194&page=2
[23:43] <bnmorgan> lasers are >99% single wavelength, the rest spread within 5-10% of the wavelength, depending on laser quality
[23:43] <D-side> if anyone wants a raspberry pi
[23:44] <D-side> stand outside my window in the next ten minutes
[23:44] <Gadgetoid> bnmorgan: All the wavelength!
[23:44] <Gadgetoid> D-side: I'll be there!!
[23:44] <bnmorgan> dside, i thought you were trying to buy mine yesterady
[23:44] <D-side> ew how do you know where i live
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[23:44] <SpeedEvil> bnmorgan: solid state lasers
[23:44] <D-side> Gadgetoid: you're a creep
[23:44] <D-side> bnmorgan: and i still will when you're tired of it
[23:44] <bnmorgan> errr..
[23:44] <bnmorgan> did you break yours/
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[23:45] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: not only have i seen that thread, i'm having the exact same issue as the first post on page 7
[23:45] <SpeedEvil> bnmorgan: I found that many red laser pointers - if viewed through a green welding lens - will emit a green beam ~10^9 down
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[23:45] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: i want to kick a puppy
[23:45] <Gadgetoid> D-side: I could use a second RPi
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[23:46] <bnmorgan> Speedevil, that's more likely due to fractive scattering don't you figure?
[23:46] <bnmorgan> although, laser diodes used in pointers aren't very precise, so it's possible
[23:48] <Gadgetoid> No idea how good my laser is, it's a random impulse buy and I've only just got 'round to trying a beam-break
[23:48] <bnmorgan> saw a 100mw green for <$20 yesterday :(
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[23:49] <SpeedEvil> bnmorgan: No - it was definately a green emission - could see the actual laser die
[23:49] <Cheery> okay..
[23:49] <Cheery> so I've written a python wrapping now.
[23:49] <Cheery> it's working somewhat okay..
[23:49] <Cheery> but.
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[23:49] <Cheery> at the same time there's some erratic behaviour I cannot really explain
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[23:50] <Cheery> say I open() and read two files.. it doesn't draw anything to the screen
[23:50] <Cheery> but if I don't it does
[23:51] <Cheery> oh and if I do those before opening a window, it works again
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[23:51] <Cheery> it gives a feeling that something would have been done sloppily
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[23:53] <me2pi> You see these files: http://deanlm.com/java/Life/source/ how do you actually run the htm files as the "life" game it is intending to be? I`m trying to run it on my pi
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[23:54] <me2pi> I`m not really clear how they are all working together... and to get them to run on a website which is what I want to do!
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[23:56] <_inc> me2pi:
[23:56] <_inc> download java
[23:56] <_inc> put those files on your pi somehwere
[23:56] <me2pi> done that.. openjdk
[23:56] <me2pi> ok
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[23:56] <bnmorgan> how do i set root password
[23:56] <_inc> and navigate to the location of those files using cd
[23:57] <_inc> then "javac life.java"
[23:57] <_inc> that compiles it through jvm
[23:57] <me2pi> let me give it a bash!
[23:57] <_inc> and then "java life" to run it once compile is done
[23:59] <bnmorgan> milos, i don't see how rcconf helps
[23:59] <_inc> me2pi: its controversial, but most it establishments believe that java is the best language to have people learn the in's and outs of programming. Generally though eclipse as an IDE as it gives you a crutch so to say, points out you mistakes
[23:59] <Milos> bnmorgan, you select which services start on boot. It's as simple as that.
[23:59] <tech2077> bnmorgan, passwd

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