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IRC Log for 2012-06-24

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[0:03] <_inc> hypothetically speaking, if one were to have a gsm module on the pi that sends sms alerts of irc mentions, how would one solve the problem of getting spammed and racking up a huge bill?
[0:03] <esotera> bnmorgan - sudo passwd root
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[0:03] <Terranigma> i see raspbmc site is back up
[0:04] <SpeedEvil> _inc: Rate limiting.
[0:04] <plugwash> i'm not sure one could solve it completely, rate limiting could put a cap on the bill-size but ultimately there is no perfect way to differentiate ham and spam
[0:05] <_inc> hmmm
[0:06] <_inc> 10 sms per day --- text back to continue
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[0:06] <SpeedEvil> Or an approved user list.
[0:06] * me2pi is now known as Raynerd
[0:06] <SpeedEvil> _inc: Also - where in the work are you?
[0:07] <_inc> in the work?
[0:07] <_inc> oh
[0:07] <SpeedEvil> world
[0:07] <_inc> project idea phase
[0:07] <_inc> oh, UK
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[0:08] <SpeedEvil> Well - you can get internet for a year for 40 quid, limited to about a gig a mo.
[0:08] <SpeedEvil> For prepaid
[0:08] <_inc> i just want to play with a gsm module
[0:08] <_inc> SpeedEvil: carrier?
[0:08] <SpeedEvil> t-mobile pay as you go, with internet addon
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[0:10] <_inc> i was thinking of using the pi as a car tracker, sending back gps coords upon sms
[0:10] <_inc> but the pi would eat the cars battery for breakfast
[0:10] <SpeedEvil> Oh - they changed it
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[0:12] <SpeedEvil> Oh - no - there it is
[0:12] <SpeedEvil> http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/help-and-support/index?page=home&cat=PAY_AS_YOU_GO_BOOSTERS
[0:12] <SpeedEvil> internet -> 6 mo - 20 quid
[0:12] <_inc> hmmmm
[0:13] <Raynerd> _inc: javac: file not found: life.java
[0:13] <bnmorgan> inc why would the pi eat the battery?
[0:13] <SpeedEvil> Though 3 have 1G/mo plans from 7.50/mo
[0:13] <bnmorgan> esp if you added a solar panel to it.
[0:13] <SpeedEvil> bnmorgan: It doesn;t powersave
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[0:13] <_inc> bnmorgan: i am not sticking a 4foot solar panel on my car
[0:13] <bnmorgan> no, use one of the small ones.
[0:14] <_inc> i live in the uk
[0:14] <SpeedEvil> bnmorgan: You actually do - in hte UK - need a 4 foot wide panel.
[0:14] <bnmorgan> i'm sorry
[0:14] <_inc> a whole solar farm can barely power a kettle
[0:14] <SpeedEvil> If you want it to keep the battery charged in the darker days.
[0:14] <bnmorgan> i didn't th ink y'all were that much further north.
[0:14] <bnmorgan> what lattitude
[0:14] <ReggieUK> high
[0:14] <SpeedEvil> 56N here
[0:15] <Raynerd> _inc - what does the javac: file not found mean?
[0:15] <bnmorgan> ohh damn. no wonder.
[0:15] <bnmorgan> i'm at just over 34??
[0:15] <_inc> Raynerd: you aren't in the same directory as the file
[0:15] <_inc> Raynerd: where did you put life.java?
[0:16] <Raynerd> var/www/RaspPi/Life
[0:17] <Raynerd> OHH!!!
[0:17] <Raynerd> I downloaded the .htm set, not the java set!?
[0:17] <_inc> "cd var/www/rasppi"
[0:17] <_inc> java life.java
[0:17] <_inc> javac life.java even
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[0:17] <Raynerd> even thought the file is called Life.ht,
[0:18] <Raynerd> htm
[0:18] <_inc> Raynerd: go to this page, then right click and save as
[0:18] <_inc> http://deanlm.com/java/Life/source/
[0:18] <_inc> right click the file links
[0:19] <_inc> silly me
[0:19] <_inc> Raynerd: Entire set of Java classes as a single .zip file at this link. --> Entire set of Java classes as a single .zip file at this link.
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[0:19] <Raynerd> yes, downloaded. Then extract and put onto pi
[0:20] <_inc> yup
[0:20] <_inc> then cd to the folder then run that
[0:20] <_inc> success not garuanteed
[0:20] <_inc> brb
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[0:22] <Raynerd> what, no warranty?
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[0:26] <Raynerd> _inc it "tried" found the file for sure, but failed: Exception in thread "main" java. NoClassDefFoundError: Life/Java and then another few lines Caused by java.lang.Class ... bla bla
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[0:28] <_inc> ummm, I'm running on a mobile at the moment. ill have a look now
[0:33] <Gadgetoid> News just in, 7 segment displays suck for text :D
[0:37] <OllieMorfik> im happy again xbmc works like a charm
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[0:38] <OllieMorfik> bit slow on the UI interface sometimes and doing multiple things at once is taxing on the lil cpu but it works for the most part, even if a few video files have problems
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[0:41] <hadifarnoud> is there anyway I can get Airplayer (https://github.com/PascalW/Airplayer) to work on Raspbian? It needs XBMC.
[0:42] <OllieMorfik> that some mac stuff?
[0:42] <MikeL> Abyone built quake 3 for the new wheezy debian yet?
[0:42] <OllieMorfik> i saw xbmc had some airplay stuff onit
[0:42] <chaoshax> hadifarnoud, use squeezebox
[0:43] <chaoshax> It works fine, don't bother with that junk
[0:43] <OllieMorfik> i'd think its just a matter of configuring the server and pointing *any xbmc install to it*
[0:43] <hadifarnoud> a link chaoshax?
[0:44] <chaoshax> http://dabdig.blogspot.com/2012/05/running-squeezeslave-on-raspberry-pi.html
[0:44] <chaoshax> What's going on with blogspot?
[0:45] <hadifarnoud> so I dont need Airplayer after this chaoshax
[0:45] <chaoshax> Is airplayer for just playing upnp?
[0:45] <OllieMorfik> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=AirPlay
[0:46] <chaoshax> hadifarnoud, Well is there some stupid drm on the apple content?
[0:46] <OllieMorfik> lul@mac we have one over here but i dont like it ;)
[0:46] <hadifarnoud> any way I can run xmbc on raspbian?
[0:46] <chaoshax> Because I would chuck all that malarky into a folder and use squeezebox server.
[0:46] <_inc> Raynerd: i'm looking intoo it, but im having to ssh into the pi and its a bit laggy
[0:47] <OllieMorfik> they are like google they masqurade as being good but they are both evil as hell heh
[0:47] <OllieMorfik> might aswell be windows ;)
[0:48] <OllieMorfik> hadifarnoud: get the right packages or compile it yourself i dont see a problem with it the newer the better in most cases
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[0:49] <hadifarnoud> where can I get the package OllieMorfik? if you know a compile tutorial, would be great
[0:49] <OllieMorfik> maybe i could dump them from this raspbmc install
[0:49] <OllieMorfik> assuming they use the same libraries and such
[0:49] <OllieMorfik> might get some conflicts
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[0:50] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, not doing too bad with a 7-seg font
[0:50] <_inc> Gadgetoid: definitely not if you are reading irc chats from it :)
[0:51] <Gadgetoid> _inc: haha, nah... but that's not a bad idea
[0:51] <OllieMorfik> looks like xbmc isnt a pkg on this install
[0:51] <Gadgetoid> I'm scrolling a-z 0-9 on it at the moment to verify all my mappings
[0:51] <Gadgetoid> Text is very readable, due to the wonder of the human brain and its ability to read the most absurd of things
[0:52] <Gadgetoid> lkie you can raed tihs vrey ealisy for smoe raeosn
[0:52] <_inc> Gadgetoid: ive seen a VFD with amazing character representation, 9 or 10 segment
[0:52] <_inc> alas, i heard they are very rare
[0:52] <Gadgetoid> the star displays aren't bad
[0:53] <hadifarnoud> I guess raspbmc packages should work. not sure how to get them seperately
[0:53] <Gadgetoid> I'll have to see if I can find a common cathode one
[0:53] <Gadgetoid> otherwise I'll be chaining shift registers off the end of my breadboard
[0:53] <Gadgetoid> although not having to multiplex would make the display much less flickery
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[0:55] <_inc> i cant wait to have a stab at all this stuff
[0:56] <Gadgetoid> Now it's rolling off my uptime, I'll have to get a video
[0:57] <Gadgetoid> Looks awesome, in a completely ghetto, horribly inappropriate for the task way
[0:57] <_inc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFFECeyhBxY&feature=related
[0:57] <_inc> how viable would that be on the pi
[0:57] <_inc> how many less can it drive
[0:57] <_inc> LEDS*
[0:58] <dwatkins> you could drive that from an Arduino.
[0:58] <Gadgetoid> Hmm
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[0:59] <Gadgetoid> You could, and probably would, use a shift register to drive the LEDs
[0:59] <Gadgetoid> damn I totally need to try doing some pov stuff
[1:00] <_inc> also, how does that happen without spinning into a big tangle?
[1:00] <_inc> some sorta brush powering the spindle bumper-car style?
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[1:01] <_inc> installing openjdk was a bad idea
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[1:01] <MikeL> omgomg did minecraft worl? /sarcasm
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[1:01] <MikeL> work*
[1:02] <_inc> yea... what?
[1:02] <Raynerd> inc_ did you get anywhere?
[1:02] <Raynerd> with the life.java that is?
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[1:02] <_inc> Raynerd: compiles on my mac, not sure why not on the pi
[1:03] <Raynerd> damn
[1:03] <_inc> im remote installing openjdk on the pi cus im not home yet
[1:03] <Raynerd> probably just me!
[1:03] <Raynerd> maybe I haven`t installed that properly, I just did an apt-get openjdk
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[1:04] <dwatkins> *yawn*
[1:04] <_inc> you've swayed me
[1:05] <dwatkins> there's apparently some logic to using bad grammar and spelling in messages designed to persuade gullible people to visit websites
[1:05] <hadifarnoud> can any1 help me run xbmc on raspbian? I know there are img for that. I want to run it on raspbian
[1:07] <_inc> hadifarnoud: tried the forums?
[1:07] <hadifarnoud> yeah, not many replies
[1:08] <_inc> linky :)
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[1:10] <dwatkins> hadifarnoud: tried installing it with apt-get? It appears to be in the raspbian repository.
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[1:10] <_inc> Raynerd: well for me anyways, it's because I run out of memory mid-compile
[1:11] <hadifarnoud> it fails. dwatkins
[1:11] <hadifarnoud> xbmc : Depends: xbmc-bin (>= 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1) but it is not installable
[1:11] <hadifarnoud> Depends: xbmc-bin (< 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1.1~) but it is not installable
[1:11] <hadifarnoud> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[1:11] <dwatkins> hadifarnoud: oh bah
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[1:11] <Raynerd> ohh !
[1:12] <hadifarnoud> it must be possible, right?
[1:12] <_inc> plus most the functions in the program uses deprecated API calls
[1:13] <_inc> to much hassle to fix
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[1:13] <_inc> Raynerd: if you want to learn java, learn it NOT on the pi
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[1:13] <dwatkins> hadifarnoud: I imagine so, not sure why it failed.
[1:14] <hadifarnoud> dwatkins: I guess there is no armhf package in raspbian repositories
[1:14] <_inc> me now removes openjdk
[1:14] * _inc now removes openjdk
[1:14] <_inc> ...
[1:15] <_inc> y
[1:16] <hadifarnoud> do raspbmc has repo?
[1:16] <hadifarnoud> is xbmc in there?
[1:16] <_inc> i dont think so no
[1:16] <hadifarnoud> damn
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[1:17] <hadifarnoud> how can I compile it for myself? they have some sort of github I suppose
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[1:18] <rasp7aa> hadifarnoud: he uses subversion
[1:18] <RITRedbeard> good for him
[1:18] <rasp7aa> http://svn.stmlabs.com/svn/raspbmc/
[1:18] <hadifarnoud> everybody making their own distro. sometimes ppl need just xbmc
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[1:19] <_inc> i dont know why all the efforts arent put into ONE debian flavour
[1:20] <RITRedbeard> one flavor to rule them all
[1:20] <Gadgetoid> _inc: the micro-controller which drivers the LEDs is entirely on the rotor and is seemingly powered by induction
[1:20] <hadifarnoud> raspbian
[1:21] <RITRedbeard> and one flavor in the darkness to bind them!
[1:21] <hadifarnoud> if I succeed building xbmc, I put a tut on forum
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[1:23] <bnmorgan> overclocking a pi....seriously?
[1:23] <_inc> yea
[1:24] <_inc> anything with unix on it has been overclocked by someone
[1:24] <_inc> comes with the territory
[1:24] <RITRedbeard> underclock!
[1:24] <RITRedbeard> \m/
[1:24] <Terranigma> stick a fan on the pi and u can cool it if it gets too hot :P
[1:24] <rasp7aa> the cpu is rated for higher than the default anyway
[1:25] <bnmorgan> nah, i'll liquid cool it.
[1:25] <Terranigma> dip it in oil
[1:25] <bnmorgan> ethyl tetraziene.
[1:25] <ReggieUK> clove of garlic
[1:25] <Terranigma> freezer
[1:25] <ReggieUK> saute for 6 minutes per side
[1:25] <bnmorgan> same as i do the machines at work.
[1:25] <_inc> raspbian r3 by default sets the clock higher than what the foundation recommends
[1:26] <_inc> and funnily enough, they say overclocking voids the warranty
[1:26] <rasp7aa> _inc: the foundation actually run overvolted pies themselves
[1:26] <bnmorgan> i don't understand this xbmc stuff.
[1:26] <bnmorgan> and rbmc
[1:26] <bnmorgan> is it a whole OS or an application or ?
[1:26] <rasp7aa> bnmorgan: xbox media centre
[1:27] <plugwash> _inc, AIUI the foundation have said that only overvolting viods the warranty mere overclocking doesn't
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[1:27] <_inc> plugwash: ah ok
[1:27] <plugwash> but still I think it's cheeky of hexxeh to set the default clock to an overclocked setting
[1:27] <rasp7aa> plugwash: eben said in one of the maker fair videos that they are looking into making overvolting not void the warranty
[1:28] <rasp7aa> and he said everyone at the foundation overvolts
[1:28] <bnmorgan> i still can't figure out how to get the command line for vnc to run at startup
[1:28] <bnmorgan> i know the line but it'd b e nice not to have to find and plug in a kb every time
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[1:30] <rasp7aa> bnmorgan: cron job?
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[1:31] <dwatkins> bnmorgan: something like this, perhaps? http://www.abdevelopment.ca/blog/start-vnc-server-ubuntu-boot
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[1:32] <DaQatz> !channel
[1:32] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-osdev #raspbian #rpi-gentoo #raspberrypi-owners
[1:32] <rasp7aa> so what?
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[1:33] <hadifarnoud> anyone knows how to make midori open a page at certain time? doesn't work for me from crontab. it works only if I run it through uxterm
[1:33] <Syliss> split?
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[1:33] <dwatkins> hadifarnoud: wouldn't it be simpler to use wget?
[1:34] <rasp7aa> hadifarnoud: would you already be in x?
[1:34] <dwatkins> ...or do you want to reload the page every so often?
[1:34] <hadifarnoud> I know dwatkins, I have to run it with midori. some stupid Magento ajax stuff
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[1:34] <dwatkins> put it in an iframe with a meta refresh tag?
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[1:35] <Cheery> thank you from including -osdev in the channel list :)
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[1:37] <hadifarnoud> good idea! dwatkins
[1:37] <hadifarnoud> :D
[1:37] <blkhawk> motion uses surprisingly little cpu and memory resources
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[1:39] <_inc> for the pi I am using tmux. I sort of like it but maybe want more, what window manager to poeple recommend?
[1:40] <_inc> do *
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[1:44] <dwatkins> _inc: terminal windows or X-windows?
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[1:44] <rasp7aa> screen
[1:45] <dwatkins> I quite like tmux.
[1:45] <_inc> dwatkins: terminal
[1:46] <bnmorgan> once you have done sudo su how do you un-su
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[1:47] <dwatkins> log out with ctrl+D, bnmorgan
[1:47] <dwatkins> (from that subprocess)
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[1:47] <bnmorgan> arg, was trying to find it in man
[1:47] <bnmorgan> now don't know how to get out of the man pages
[1:48] <dwatkins> q
[1:48] <dwatkins> man uses 'less' or 'more' to display the manpages, processed with troff.
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[1:48] <dwatkins> for more details, see 'man man' ;)
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[1:49] <bnmorgan> cool. thank you much.
[1:49] <bnmorgan> feel patient enough for more?
[1:49] <dwatkins> sure
[1:50] <bnmorgan> making a command (for instance sudo vncserver -geometry 1440x900 -depth 24) run at startup
[1:51] <dwatkins> did you see the link I pasted on how to create a startup script in /etc/init.d, bnmorgan?
[1:51] <bnmorgan> um, i saw a link but it confused the crap out of me...not sure it was the same one.
[1:51] <dwatkins> It was for Ubuntu, but I'm pretty sure it's the same in Debianland.
[1:51] <dwatkins> http://www.abdevelopment.ca/blog/start-vnc-server-ubuntu-boot
[1:51] <bnmorgan> yep. got it open
[1:52] <dwatkins> I assume you can manually start the VNC server with the geometry option you mentioned.
[1:52] <bnmorgan> right
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[1:52] <bnmorgan> and copy/pasting that stuff isn't an option
[1:52] <dwatkins> I guess you need to change the username in step 3 to the user you're logging in as, otherwise just copy and paste the example script into a text editor.
[1:52] <dwatkins> ah
[1:53] <dwatkins> can't you ssh in to the RPi?
[1:53] <bnmorgan> err..
[1:53] <bnmorgan> don't know?
[1:53] <dwatkins> if it's on the same network as your laptop/desktop PC, you should be able to
[1:53] <dwatkins> Which Distro are you running, bnmorgan?
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[1:54] <bnmorgan> debian
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[1:54] <dwatkins> This tutorial should help: http://fusionstrike.com/2012/setting-ssh-ftp-raspberry-pi-debian
[1:54] <bnmorgan> once this is done will it stay done between reboots?
[1:54] <dwatkins> if you're lucky, you might be able to login via putty without setting up ssh keys.
[1:55] <bnmorgan> willing ot try with instructions.
[1:55] <dwatkins> yes, renameing the file in /boot will cause the ssh daemon to run at boot-time on the RPi.
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[1:57] <_inc> hell i didnt think of this -- who here uses rootfs on usb? is it much faster?
[1:58] <rasp7aa> _inc: I think Gadgetoid does
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[1:59] <bnmorgan> everything looked good till doing putty, it refused
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[2:00] <dwatkins> bnmorgan: did you reboot it?
[2:00] <bnmorgan> no?
[2:00] <bnmorgan> didn't say to in tutorial
[2:00] <dwatkins> hmmm, I suspect it should have
[2:00] <bnmorgan> doing it now
[2:00] <_inc> computers 101 - if it dont work, turn it off and on again
[2:00] <dwatkins> 'This will also enable SSH at boot by default.' - implied but not very well
[2:00] <bnmorgan> i thought you were supposed to smack it first.
[2:01] <dwatkins> 'percussive maintenence'
[2:01] <bnmorgan> ayep
[2:01] <bnmorgan> helps when it's a PICNIC problem too
[2:01] <_inc> bnmorgan: thats for old CRT tv's and seized up starter motors
[2:01] <bnmorgan> percussive maint on the PIC
[2:02] <dwatkins> PEBKAC ("Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair" and the complementary PEBCAK ("Problem Exists Between Chair and Keyboard")), PICNIC ("Problem In Chair Not In Computer"), PIBCAK ("Problem Is Between Chair And Keyboard") or ID-10T error ("Idiot error")
[2:02] <dwatkins> heh, I like 'PICNIC'
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[2:04] <bnmorgan> well, it got up to where the desktop should display and is now doing nothing.
[2:04] <dwatkins> I thought you had to manually start X-windows with 'startx'
[2:05] <bnmorgan> had managed to set it to auto
[2:05] <bnmorgan> don't remember how.....but wish it wasn't right now
[2:05] <rasp7aa> if you want to auto-login and startx on boot then see this http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-auto-login-and-startx-without-a-display-manager-in-debian.html
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[2:06] <rasp7aa> method 1
[2:06] <bnmorgan> yep, looks like it.
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[2:07] <bnmorgan> so how do i interrupt and change it back
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[2:07] <rasp7aa> follow the same instructions but in reverse
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[2:08] <bnmorgan> oo, xterm worked.
[2:08] <bnmorgan> i mean putty
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[2:08] <dwatkins> excellent, so you can ssh in ok
[2:08] <bnmorgan> yep, which is good cause it looks like that may be the only way i can unscrew the inittab
[2:09] <ossifrage> Anyone know what the power budget is for the rpi? I'm providing power on the 5V expansion pin and not using the USB power connector
[2:09] <ossifrage> I want to make sure the regulator is large enough
[2:09] <bnmorgan> 700mw minimum if i remember reading right
[2:09] <rasp7aa> ossifrage: are you using a fuse?
[2:09] <bnmorgan> more for hungry kb/mice/other stuff
[2:09] <rasp7aa> ossifrage: because the gpio bypasses the main 700mA pollyfuse
[2:10] <ossifrage> I don't have a fuse on the 5V rail, but I will add one
[2:11] <guimg> ossifrage
[2:11] <guimg> i want to be your
[2:11] <guimg> booty bun baby
[2:11] <guimg> booty bun baby
[2:11] <guimg> toniteee
[2:11] <IT_Sean> ... ....
[2:11] <bnmorgan> o.0
[2:12] <_inc> awww thats nice
[2:13] <ossifrage> guimg, huh?
[2:13] <guimg> so hawny love me long time
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[2:15] <OllieMorfik> /clear
[2:16] <[deXter]> /fail
[2:16] <rasp7aa> /killmyself
[2:16] <bnmorgan> ./assist
[2:17] <OllieMorfik> /savethewhaleskillyourself
[2:18] <blkhawk> trying to use the serial port of the rpi to debug another device
[2:18] <OllieMorfik> http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web03/2012/3/22/8/enhanced-buzz-8349-1332418113-8.jpg
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[2:19] <guimg> https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/401931_387155354665312_1347667447_n.jpg
[2:19] <guimg> ay
[2:19] <guimg> papasito
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[2:20] <OllieMorfik> i shant click links that originate from guimg
[2:20] <_inc> my proxied client shows them inline
[2:20] <IT_Sean> what the hell?
[2:21] <guimg> OllieMorfik
[2:21] <guimg> its sfw
[2:21] <OllieMorfik> no you arent
[2:21] <ossifrage> No ops in channel?
[2:22] <IT_Sean> He hasn't actually broekn a rule yet, ossifrage
[2:22] <IT_Sean> sadly, being an irritating little [censored] isn't against channel rules.
[2:22] <OllieMorfik> i love my pi
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[2:22] <bnmorgan> impersonating a human?
[2:22] <IT_Sean> heh
[2:22] <IT_Sean> I like the way you think. :p
[2:23] <OllieMorfik> its been very emotional
[2:23] <bnmorgan> heh, cop joke.
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[2:23] <OllieMorfik> for a min i contemplated pawning it on ebay
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[2:23] <bnmorgan> "but ossifer...whater you arrrresting meee ferr??" "Impersonating a human and public drunk"
[2:24] <bnmorgan> "buuud i din't imperstonatering anbody"
[2:24] <OllieMorfik> now i need to put one on every tv i find
[2:24] <_inc> if i maxed out overvolt, what would happen?
[2:24] <blkhawk> nice it wors
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[2:25] <bnmorgan> pi
[2:25] <bnmorgan> wrong keyboard
[2:27] <bnmorgan> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[2:27] <_inc> sudo startx
[2:27] <bnmorgan> did that a min ago and it locked up
[2:27] <_inc> sudo startx?
[2:28] <bnmorgan> yep
[2:28] <guimg> hey
[2:28] <guimg> OllieMorfik
[2:28] <guimg> wanna buy some cocaine
[2:29] <dwatkins> guimg: that's not appropriate for this channel, please talk about that elsewhere
[2:29] <guimg> ok
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[2:30] <Arch-Cloud> lol wow...really?
[2:30] <OllieMorfik> thats weird
[2:30] <OllieMorfik> i was about to /ignore
[2:30] <OllieMorfik> but that works too
[2:30] <dwatkins> what did I miss by having joins, parts and quits on ignore?
[2:31] <blkhawk> its because of the topic
[2:31] <ossifrage> rasp7aa It is a 1.1A 6V fuse on the USB power input, so that must be the upper bound for the power.
[2:31] <blkhawk> it makes children come here
[2:31] <Arch-Cloud> does that even work? asking on irc
[2:31] <Arch-Cloud> dwatkins: nothing
[2:31] <dwatkins> Arch-Cloud: it probably works really good for getting arrested or buying sugar ;)
[2:31] <dwatkins> Arch-Cloud: ah ok
[2:31] <blkhawk> cocaine over IP is a RFC - look it up
[2:31] <Arch-Cloud> lol
[2:32] <ossifrage> Assuming 1.1A is the iTRIP, the hold is more like 500mA
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[2:40] <bnmorgan> should ssh slow pi down a ton
[2:40] <bnmorgan> cause it's creeping along now
[2:42] <Arch-Cloud> no
[2:42] <_inc> well
[2:42] <_inc> depends what you are doing
[2:42] <bnmorgan> was going to install mplayer
[2:42] <_inc> massive transfers other ethernet froze my pi until i did the turbo_mode=n thing
[2:42] <bnmorgan> taken 10 minutes to get 14%
[2:43] <bnmorgan> of reading package list
[2:43] <_inc> installng packages eats ram
[2:44] <bnmorgan> now it's going
[2:49] <OllieMorfik> more like the whole machine is puttering along not just ssh
[2:50] <bnmorgan> yeah
[2:50] <D34TH> make sure its getting enough power
[2:50] <bnmorgan> hope i didn't screw something up pulling power when it locked up for 20 minutes
[2:50] <OllieMorfik> mine was doing that a lot
[2:51] <OllieMorfik> i wont wait :P cut the power!
[2:51] <dwatkins> bnmorgan: check what's keeping the machine busy with 'top'
[2:51] <OllieMorfik> if it wont respond to pings... i pull the cord
[2:51] <Cheery> okay..
[2:51] <bnmorgan> so how do i know what's doing what
[2:52] <Cheery> it's really odd what I see happening now
[2:52] <dwatkins> just look at what's using the most CPU percentage
[2:52] <dwatkins> s/most/highest/
[2:52] <bnmorgan> cpu is at 1.3
[2:52] <bnmorgan> pi
[2:52] <OllieMorfik> free -m
[2:52] <bnmorgan> err, top
[2:52] <Cheery> if I move array.array('f', ...).tostring() away from certain segment of code, my graphics app runs just fine
[2:52] <dwatkins> ok, so it shouldn't be slow, perhaps it's just taking time to download
[2:52] <bnmorgan> free -m
[2:52] <dwatkins> yeah, 'top' also shows memory usage
[2:52] <OllieMorfik> usually when stuff gets laggy it means everything is locked up in swap
[2:53] <bnmorgan> after free -m top came up quicker
[2:53] <Arch-Cloud> has anyone seen during the boot process where it changes the console font from a terminal like font to this thin font...anyone know how to stop it from changing to this font? id like to keeo the terminal font
[2:54] <bnmorgan> what cuases that and how do i prevent
[2:54] <dwatkins> Arch-Cloud: http://ncloy.co.uk/blog/?p=356
[2:54] <bnmorgan> pi@raspberrypi:~$ sudo apt-get install mplayer
[2:54] <bnmorgan> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[2:54] <bnmorgan> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[2:54] <bnmorgan> pi@raspberrypi:~$
[2:54] <dwatkins> there are other fonts, of course
[2:54] <bnmorgan> sory for paste
[2:55] <_inc> bnmorgan: dpkg is already running
[2:56] <Arch-Cloud> dwatkins: ohh very nice.....exaclty what im looking for
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[2:57] <dwatkins> Arch-Cloud: cool :) I used it earlier, made the console much easier to read on my TV ;)
[2:58] <Arch-Cloud> dwatkins: yeah this thin font sucks
[2:58] <Arch-Cloud> dwatkins: is there a way to restart it without rebooting?
[2:58] <dwatkins> I forget where the fonts are, Arch-Cloud, but you can set it manually and just go through the list one by one
[2:58] <dwatkins> either setfont or consolefont, iirc
[2:59] <bnmorgan> crap. think i'm going to reflash. i've hosed something
[2:59] <dwatkins> anyone here using their RPi as a temperature probe? Just wondering what hardware I can use to measure temperature.
[3:00] <plugwash> dwatkins, depends on what temperature range and accuracy you need
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[3:00] <plugwash> since the Pi doesn't have an ADC you will need either a sensor with a built in ADC or a ADC chip (microchip do some nice little I2C ADCs)
[3:02] <dwatkins> plugwash: yeah, so I gather - there were some threads on the forum discussing 1-wire sensors
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[3:02] <_inc> where is xorg.conf??
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[3:03] <plugwash> _inc, if you put one in /etc/X11 it will be read but modern debian doesn't ship one by default
[3:04] <_inc> hmmm
[3:04] <_inc> how can i tell the startx command to open dwm and not openbox?
[3:06] <plugwash> according to http://wiki.debian.org/WindowManager you want update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
[3:07] <Cheery> anyone of you know where would I find a GLES2 shader language example?
[3:08] <swiley> darn! no adc!? that means no kansas city standard! :(
[3:08] <swiley> I can't back my home directory to micro cassete :(
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[3:11] <Arch-Cloud> dwatkins: i had to # out the codeset, fontface and fontsize
[3:12] <_inc> plugwash: thanks, but got error from raspian dwm version from 'xkbcomp'
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[3:13] <_inc> (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted
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[3:13] <_inc> reverted to openbox
[3:13] <_inc> i wonder if thats something i did or if that worth reporting
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[3:14] <Arch-Cloud> anyone here install Realtek RTL8188CUS wifi adapter? it tried using the Micronet script but it didnt work out so well
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[3:17] <Cheery> hmm
[3:17] <Cheery> found a bug in error checking code
[3:17] <Cheery> if it doesn't tell anything I'll jump to ceiling
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[3:17] <Cheery> uh.. negative of taht
[3:18] <Cheery> if it tells anything I'll jmup to ceiling
[3:18] <Cheery> hmm
[3:19] <Cheery> still doesn't tell anything and doesn't work
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[3:49] <Cheery> now since it's working.. the GLES2 looks quite cute after all
[3:49] <Cheery> at least behind my wrapper
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[3:55] <hermanhermitage> thats good
[3:56] <Cheery> the next thing to do would be texturing and couple uniforms..
[3:56] <Cheery> textures require uniforms. :)
[3:57] <Cheery> as you need to tell the shader which texture unit to sample from
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[3:57] <Cheery> last I checked I still have the problem that handling array() or open() prevents the swapbuffers
[3:58] <Cheery> time.sleep() doesn't though
[3:58] <eric2> Dear #raspberrypi: I connected my Raspi running debian squeeze to an ethernet port connected to my router. However, none of my internet programs are working. What do I need to persuade it to work?
[3:58] <Cheery> eric2: does ethernet router show a light for raspi?
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[3:58] <Cheery> eric2: if it does, the LAN is okay at least
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[3:59] <Cheery> eric2: if the raspi is working.. you could check dmesg
[3:59] <eric2> At first, it did not. I just moved it on the switch box and now it does.
[3:59] <Cheery> and what ifconfig says
[3:59] <djp_> quit
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[4:00] <Cheery> then you could see whether you can ping google.fi
[4:00] <eric2> dmesg: 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: event 4 may have been dropped ???. over and over.
[4:01] <Cheery> well that's something unusual.
[4:01] <eric2> ifconfig: Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr b8:27:eb:b6:5c:77..
[4:01] <eric2> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1488 Metric:1
[4:02] <eric2> RX packets:830 errors:0 dropped:6 overruns:0 frame:0
[4:02] <Cheery> hmm
[4:02] <eric2> TX packets:4 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[4:02] <eric2> collisions:0 txquelen:1000
[4:02] <eric2> RX bytes:134232 (131.0 KiB) TX bytes:1400 (1.3 KiB)
[4:02] <eric2> And a similar entry for "lo"
[4:02] <Cheery> hmm
[4:03] <eric2> ping: unknown host google.com
[4:03] <Cheery> ok
[4:03] <Cheery> the dmesg message you got may have something in it. take an another computer and search for what it might mean.
[4:05] <Cheery> getting to sleep, there's other people here who might help you.. though you are perhaps able to handle it out yourself if you look up a bit.
[4:06] <Cheery> also, more you hit this kind of things, more common it becomes that the finger doesn't visit mouth.
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[4:08] <eric2> There's a thread here that seems to blame the keyboard. Strange.
[4:08] <eric2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=7075&p=92144
[4:10] <Cheery> the LAN controller connects to this computer through the USB hub
[4:10] <Cheery> and keyboard connects to that same USB hub as well
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[4:11] <Cheery> if you have a powered USB hub in your disposal, you could try connect your all peripherals through that.. then see whether the problem persists
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[4:12] <eric2> I was doing just that.
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[4:12] <eric2> I'm replacing my fancy optical Ubuntu mouse with my old ball mouse to see if that matters.
[4:13] <eric2> So I restarted the pi and did a ping to google.com and it seems to work just fine.
[4:13] <Cheery> you can also go without a mouse little while.. and then look at what dmesg and ping says during that.
[4:13] <Cheery> well..
[4:13] <Cheery> maybe it's that then
[4:14] <eric2> I haven't fired up LXDE yet.
[4:15] <eric2> Say, does gnome-shell work on this little guy?
[4:15] <skwish> Is there a usb wifi that works with rasppi without having to add extra firmware/drivers?
[4:15] <eric2> skwish, they all have proprietary drivers...
[4:16] <eric2> There's a good page on the wiki that walks through all the brands.
[4:16] <Cheery> eric2: gnome-shell feels quite much heavy.. might be it still works though.
[4:16] <skwish> eric2: ok, so there is no one "best" that is the least painful?
[4:16] <eric2> Cheery: Not looking to push my luck, but my regular home is on Ubuntu. LXDE seems OK, though.
[4:17] <eric2> I ordered an IOgear in part because it looked the most straightforward on the wiki and partly because it was like $20 shipped rom Amazon.
[4:17] <Cheery> eric2: I looked what choices I have.. then escaped to terminal. :D
[4:17] <Cheery> using my pi through tty
[4:17] <eric2> IOGear GWU625..
[4:17] <Cheery> in fact.. I'm typing through my raspberry pi.
[4:17] <Cheery> right now
[4:18] <skwish> eric2: thanks, I'm ordering that now
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[4:18] <Cheery> considering to get that sleep I promised. :)
[4:18] <eric2> I have yet to try to get it to work on the Pi. I just now got wired ethernet working.
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[4:19] <Cheery> eric2: would you be interested about trying to write your own desktop env?
[4:19] <eric2> Have any of you guys run Firefox, thunderbird or LibreOffice on the pi?
[4:19] <Cheery> eric2: I'm probably publishing something on this next week
[4:19] <eric2> Cheery: I have no idea what that entails. I know only enough linux to get me in really big trouble :)
[4:19] <Cheery> as I got through some harder obstacles just today
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[4:20] <Cheery> eric2: well.. I'm going to write a simple graphics lib that allows it.. combined with some trivial input and RPC mechanisms.
[4:20] <Cheery> it's probably going to be interesting to see what people come up with from that.
[4:21] <eric2> Though I have this notion of writing up all the equipment I purchased and my own setup experience so people just ordering the Pi can set up what I have. Feels mighty presumptuous at this stage, though.
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[4:26] <eric2> Cheery: I'm sorry. A graphics lib that allows what?
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[4:26] <Syliss> has anyone booted from a usb drive yet?
[4:26] <eric2> Is there a straightforward way to add SMB shares in debian in LXDE?
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[4:28] <Cheery> eric2: well I'm thinking in terms of something very granular
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[4:28] <Cheery> eric2: desktop after all is just a multiplexer for displays/input
[4:28] <Cheery> if you are able to multiplex that, you've also got the elements for desktop.
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[4:36] <BrovietRussia> any of you have a raspi yet?
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[4:38] <MikeL> ;I do
[4:38] <BrovietRussia> lies
[4:38] <MikeL> Most of us here do
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[4:39] <BrovietRussia> I am happy to say mine will be shipping out the 28th
[4:39] <Syliss> lol
[4:40] <BrovietRussia> after such a long wait
[4:40] <Syliss> i think i might try booting from a usb drive
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[4:40] <MikeL> I got mine off ebay :P
[4:40] <Syliss> just need to config my old 64mb sd card
[4:40] <bnmorgan> how much $?
[4:41] <MikeL> Thankfully it wasn't an actually raspberry pie
[4:41] <BrovietRussia> Syliss why not put a bootloader on the SD card and boot from an external hard drive?
[4:41] <MikeL> ??58
[4:41] <Syliss> thats what i plan on doing
[4:41] <BrovietRussia> That is what I plan on doing as well
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[4:42] <BrovietRussia> Have there been any updates on the fedora distro for the pi?
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[4:42] <Syliss> I've been running darkelec and like it but wanna try it running from an external drive
[4:43] <bnmorgan> what's darkelec?
[4:44] <Syliss> its like openelec aka a version of xbmc
[4:44] <bnmorgan> advantages over raspbmc?
[4:45] <Syliss> idk
[4:45] <Syliss> I'm going to try raspbmc too
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[4:53] <Syliss> i just need an image tho since i don't want to wait to have it build
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[5:01] <mikey_w> I copied the darkelec.img.zip but the 2nd partition was empty
[5:03] <Dagger2> which it will be. openelec will create folders there on first boot
[5:06] <mikey_w> Ok, that's interesting.
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[5:08] <Syliss> i used an 8gb sdhc card and used gparted to open the rest of the drive
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[5:15] <mikey_w> It's all in the SYSTEM file on the first partition.
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[5:16] <mikey_w> Good night.
[5:16] <bnmorgan> gnight
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[5:19] <OllieMorfik> so much awesome in one lil board ?!?! AMAZING
[5:19] <OllieMorfik> cept the binary proprietary blobs somone needs to seduce the broadcom dude to leak the sources
[5:20] <OllieMorfik> "not it"
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[5:24] <bnmorgan> is arch that much more difficult?
[5:26] <Syliss> not really, its just more intensive
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[5:34] <rigel> "intensive"?
[5:34] <rigel> what does that mean, exactly?
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[5:37] <Syliss> lol
[5:37] <Syliss> just means its more work to get it running the way you want
[5:38] <Syliss> its nice that its more customizable
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[5:44] <Syliss> ugh i going to have like 10GB's of distro's for my pi by tomorrow
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[5:44] <bnmorgan> haha
[5:44] <bnmorgan> same here so far.
[5:46] <bnmorgan> so will this dark thing give a terminal?
[5:48] <Syliss> no idea, I'm not a terminal user
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[5:48] <Syliss> i know, but I'm a gui user
[5:48] <Syliss> also dl'ing puppy for pi. its small, only 65mb
[5:51] <bnmorgan> which is?
[5:51] <Syliss> puppy linux
[5:53] <Syliss> i think i may set the core speeds to 900/350 for dark and see how that goes
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[6:23] <Arch-Cloud> im not a fan of puppy
[6:24] <BrovietRussia> I want to run fedora on my pi
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[6:26] <Arch-Cloud> i dont even think fedora even has a small footprint linux like debian does
[6:27] <BrovietRussia> They had a version for pi but pulled it from the downloads section cause it was too buggy
[6:28] <BrovietRussia> probably won't see another release for pi for a very long time
[6:29] <BrovietRussia> I need to find a bootloader
[6:29] <Arch-Cloud> bootloader?
[6:31] <BrovietRussia> Yeah I plan on loading a bootloader on the SD card and running everything from an external hard drive
[6:32] <Arch-Cloud> uhhhh yeah there is no such thing
[6:32] <Arch-Cloud> you can run the root off an external drive but you will still have to have a boot partition
[6:32] <three14> 'round here, we swap sdcards, pardner.
[6:32] <Arch-Cloud> heh
[6:34] <Arch-Cloud> maybe some enterprising hacker will come up with a way to make that happen but for now it needs a boot partition
[6:34] <Arch-Cloud> or we might need to wait for Model C
[6:34] <Arch-Cloud> you know i dont even think the Beagle-xM even does that and its 3x the cost and more powerfull
[6:35] <BrovietRussia> lol
[6:35] <BrovietRussia> It's linux damn near anything is possible
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[6:39] <Arch-Cloud> this is true...lets hope one day this will be available
[6:41] <Habbie> the /boot rule is in hardware
[6:41] <megatog615> seriously? what's the big deal
[6:41] <megatog615> it loads the kernel, then never touches the sd card again
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[6:41] <Habbie> indeed
[6:42] <megatog615> if you put the root onto an external
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[6:44] <Xark> Right, not too much effective difference from a boot partition and a boot loader. I have my root on USB HDD and it works nicely.
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[6:45] <Xark> It might be nice to have a "kernel version" menu though...
[6:45] <megatog615> i bet there are converters that let you use the sd card interface with an external hard drive
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[6:46] <Xark> megatog615: Perhaps, but I doubt that would buy you much. I already get 20MB/sec with my el-cheapo WD HDD.
[6:46] <Arch-Cloud> i thought i looked for one and it was either non existant or cost prohibitive
[6:46] <megatog615> Xark: performance is not the issue
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[6:47] <Xark> megatog615: I suspect you could achieve a "boot menu" using the SD as it stands (with some clever file copying/renaming).
[6:48] <megatog615> wonder why someone hasn't tried porting grub to the pi
[6:49] <BrovietRussia> I was just thinking of using grub
[6:50] <Xark> megatog615: Well, nit having a "boot sector" kind of breaks grubs M.O. I believe. You need a bootloader that will re-write the pi specific cmdline.txt (and perhaps config.txt), as well as rename the kernel image files.
[6:50] <Xark> not*
[6:50] <Dagger2> or you could just... boot the kernels from the bootloader
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[6:52] <Xark> Dagger2: Yeah, as long as you can boot a linux kernel from within Linux (although I don't believe you could change e.g., memory split or config.txt params that way).
[6:53] <Dagger2> see kexec, and presumably the Pi's bootloader doesn't *have* to boot Linux, but just something that looks similar enough to a Linux kernel
[6:53] <Dagger2> changing the memory split or config.txt params would require a full reboot though
[6:54] <Xark> Dagger2: Sure, bootloaders are generally a cut down linux kernel anyways.
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[7:14] <Arch-Cloud> Xark: what method did you use to run off your hdd?
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[7:14] <r2wj> http://i.imgur.com/ztVde.jpg
[7:14] <r2wj> popped up on reddit
[7:14] <r2wj> now I want pie
[7:14] <Arch-Cloud> heh
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[7:15] <Milos> hoh
[7:15] <Arch-Cloud> hi Milos
[7:15] <Milos> hi Arch-Cloud
[7:16] <Syliss> has anyone messed with emmc ?
[7:18] <Milos> Yes.
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[7:18] <Milos> http://www.wut.co.nz/images/pi-sd.jpg
[7:18] <Syliss> what worked for you?
[7:19] <Milos> 50MHz in the kernel and 80MHz in emmc produced 33MB/s read and 30MB/s write.
[7:19] <Milos> Which is odd, but.
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[7:19] <Syliss> what class sd?
[7:19] <Milos> Super extra crazy class, 95MB/s Sandisk Extreme Pro, $50USD.
[7:20] <Syliss> ah
[7:20] <Syliss> all i have on hand is a c2
[7:20] <Syliss> I'm tempted to try and boot from usb and see how that goes
[7:20] <Arch-Cloud> Milos: yeah BUT your using an expenvie sd card thats 90mbs....so not everyone is going to get the same results as you unless they buy the same card
[7:21] <Milos> Arch-Cloud, this will be achievable with the Sandisk Extreme 45MB/s, which is over half the price (less).
[7:21] <Arch-Cloud> Milos: can you post your config.txt?
[7:22] <Milos> Ok? http://dpaste.com/762858/
[7:23] <Syliss> wow 4100
[7:23] <Milos> That must be a typo.
[7:23] <Syliss> lol
[7:23] <Syliss> so 410?
[7:23] <Milos> I'm surprised the system still works. Last I looked it was 450...
[7:23] <Syliss> haha
[7:24] <Milos> That would have happened while I was using sed to modify values.
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[7:24] <Syliss> i really need an on/off switch
[7:24] <Arch-Cloud> Milos: AHHHHH ok i actually used yours but mine wouldnt take those settings....i have these : http://dpaste.com/762859/
[7:25] <Milos> It wouldn't take them? You mean it really doesn't work with an over-voltage of 8?
[7:25] <Milos> For you?
[7:25] <Syliss> i haven't ov'ed my yet
[7:26] <Arch-Cloud> Milos: it would work for like 2 mins and kernel dump
[7:26] <Milos> With 8?!
[7:26] <Arch-Cloud> yes
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[7:26] <Milos> Bad luck I guess.
[7:26] <Arch-Cloud> agreed
[7:26] <Milos> What if you comment out the emmc settings?
[7:27] <Arch-Cloud> which incidently falls within the same settings as whats already documents..your settings while very nice have proven to be more unstable
[7:27] <Syliss> 80 worked for me
[7:27] <Milos> It's all over the place because they changed the defaults.
[7:28] <Milos> 80Mhz used to be default in the kernel, not sure about firmware, now 50MHz is default in the kernel, again not sure about firmware.
[7:28] <Syliss> well I'm trying darkelec atm
[7:28] <Milos> I've been told the settings should match otherwise bad things happen, but I get optimal speeds with 80 or 82MHz in my eemc, and 50MHz in the kernel.
[7:29] <Milos> s/eemc/emmc/
[7:29] <Syliss> hmm
[7:29] <Syliss> well i know i need a c10 card some time
[7:29] <Milos> :)
[7:29] <Syliss> i just don't want to pay retail
[7:29] <Syliss> plus i almost have enough amazon gift cards for the lapdock
[7:30] <Milos> http://www.ebay.com/itm/270946351768?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 what's wrong with this? :)
[7:30] <Syliss> prefer to order from usa, a little faster in shipping
[7:30] <Milos> You don't sound desperate.
[7:31] <Syliss> this doesn't seem bad
[7:31] <Syliss> http://www.ebay.com/itm/310406553962?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_2112wt_1156
[7:31] <Syliss> c6 tho
[7:31] <Milos> Micro are slower, as well.
[7:31] <Syliss> oh i know
[7:31] <Syliss> which is what i currently have
[7:32] <Syliss> but if i can run the os off usb it might be faster
[7:32] <Syliss> just bootload from sd
[7:32] <Milos> USB is so crap currently, but what you want should work.
[7:33] <Arch-Cloud> Milos: yeah the most i can get out of any of the SD cards without spending more than another rpi is 20mbs
[7:33] <Milos> I get 20MB/s as well, unless I set 80MHz in my init_emmc_clock, then I get 33MB/s.
[7:34] <Arch-Cloud> yeah i tried all of those settings and i got errors....so i set it back to 50
[7:34] <Milos> 20MB/s is fine anyway. Does the job :)
[7:34] <Arch-Cloud> i mean i started at 80 and went down from there
[7:34] <Milos> Ah ok.
[7:34] <Arch-Cloud> BUT it is a notacable difference from 4mbs
[7:34] <Milos> Of course.
[7:35] <Arch-Cloud> what i havent done is set my gpu hz
[7:35] <Arch-Cloud> now i have to find that chart again
[7:35] <Milos> Neither, but I don't use the screen at all, so.
[7:35] <Arch-Cloud> yeah but its fun to use once in a while
[7:35] <Syliss> yeah I'm using the screen for video
[7:36] <Syliss> I'm not a cli type of person
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[7:36] <Arch-Cloud> my first linux was slackware...so that was all cli
[7:36] <Milos> Yum. I just use Gentoo. All the time.
[7:37] <Syliss> well I'm an apple person so yeah
[7:37] <Milos> Gotta put OS X on the pi.
[7:37] <Arch-Cloud> Syliss: as am i
[7:37] <Arch-Cloud> ha
[7:37] <Syliss> i used to run slax/ubuntu on my older acer
[7:37] <maicod> hi what filesystem is the 2nd partition that is created when writing the default debian img files to my SDcard ? I tried mounting it from inside a linux livecd but it gave error 204
[7:37] <Syliss> ext2?
[7:37] <Milos> It's ext3 or ext4.
[7:38] <Syliss> probably 4
[7:38] <maicod> oh could my knoppix livecd be too old?
[7:38] <Syliss> yeah
[7:38] <maicod> it refuses to mount it
[7:38] <Syliss> lol haven't used knoppix in FOREVER
[7:38] <maicod> LOL
[7:38] <Milos> Like this: "ROAAAAR, I'M NOT MOUNTING YOUR NONSENSE"
[7:38] <maicod> I use it under windows in my vmware
[7:39] <Syliss> Arch-Cloud: yeah my friend gave me his dead mbp (early 2008) and apple fixed it free out of warranty
[7:39] <Syliss> haha milos
[7:39] <Milos> Aw, isn't that nice.
[7:39] <Arch-Cloud> Syliss: nice!!
[7:39] <maicod> did everyone put his Pi on the tracker ?
[7:39] <maicod> I love that site
[7:39] <Milos> Nope, I'll do mine, where's this tracker.
[7:39] <Syliss> i did
[7:39] <maicod> http://rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/index.php
[7:39] <maicod> its cool !
[7:40] <maicod> I got mine last thursday
[7:40] <maicod> from RS
[7:41] <maicod> I'd like to show mine on the map but the url doesnt display the coordinates
[7:42] <maicod> can't copy url to my Pi location
[7:43] <Arch-Cloud> wow...there is like 4 others in my area that got a rpi
[7:43] <Arch-Cloud> neat
[7:44] <maicod> hehe
[7:44] <maicod> can you show your location on the map ?
[7:44] <maicod> dunno how to do that ;)
[7:45] <Arch-Cloud> well i drilled down to my general location
[7:45] <maicod> I didnt enter my exact postal code either
[7:45] <maicod> just one in the neighbourhood a few streets away :)
[7:45] <maicod> where u located ?
[7:45] <maicod> <-netherlands
[7:46] <Arch-Cloud> portland OR USA
[7:46] <BrovietRussia> A couple of people about an hour away from me have a pi
[7:46] <maicod> ah OK
[7:46] <maicod> the most are in western-europe and USA :)
[7:46] <Syliss> bbiab
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[7:47] <maicod> wht is bbiab :)
[7:48] <maicod> wth
[7:48] <maicod> I know bbl brb and afk :)
[7:49] <Arch-Cloud> be back in a bit
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[7:49] <maicod> ah thanks
[7:49] <maicod> be back in a byte :P
[7:51] <maicod> on the Pi in the 3D view pics on website the SD card slot has a metal structure and on my Pi its different. isnt that less 'secure' fitting ?
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[7:53] <Arch-Cloud> say what?
[7:53] <Arch-Cloud> ohh
[7:53] <Arch-Cloud> that doesnt matter
[7:53] <maicod> the 'bracket'
[7:53] <maicod> oh so the new one is just as good ?
[7:53] <Arch-Cloud> yes
[7:53] <maicod> ok :)
[7:54] <maicod> it looks cheaper :)
[7:54] <Arch-Cloud> it prob is but works the same none the less
[7:54] <maicod> hehe OK
[7:54] <Arch-Cloud> im sure there was alot to take into consideration to make it 35$
[7:55] <maicod> I looked up the error I get when I mount the 2nd partition of the SDCARD for the Pi
[7:55] <maicod> it says
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[7:56] <maicod> ext3-fs: sda2: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240)
[7:56] <maicod> what does it mean?
[7:56] <Arch-Cloud> how are you mounting it?
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[7:56] <maicod> mount /dev/sda2 /mountpoint
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[7:56] <maicod> mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/sda2 or such
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[7:58] <Arch-Cloud> whats in fstab?
[7:58] <maicod> ehw its a livecd so it probably doest have /dev/sda2 in there
[7:58] <maicod> but I will look
[7:59] <Arch-Cloud> what are you trying to do?
[7:59] <maicod> "/dev/sda2 /media/sda2 ext3 noauto,users,exec 0 0"
[8:00] <maicod> mount sda2
[8:00] <maicod> to look inside it without using the Pi
[8:00] <Arch-Cloud> no no i mean what are you trying to accomplish
[8:00] <maicod> just browse the filestructure
[8:00] <Arch-Cloud> for?
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[8:01] <maicod> out of intrest
[8:01] <maicod> wondered why it didnt mount on my livecd thats all
[8:01] <maicod> its not a big thing
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[8:01] <Arch-Cloud> no worries i was just wondering
[8:02] <Arch-Cloud> that line looks correct so im not sure what the issue is
[8:02] <maicod> so what filesys is it ? ext3 ?
[8:03] <Arch-Cloud> looks that way
[8:03] <maicod> I saw partition type 83 but thats always the same whether its ext2 or ext3 or 4
[8:03] <Arch-Cloud> you have gparted on there by chance?
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[8:03] <maicod> ehm dunno if its in the livecd
[8:03] <maicod> lemme see
[8:04] <Arch-Cloud> is that the latest livecd?
[8:04] <maicod> ah yeah its ext3 it says
[8:05] <maicod> I started gparted
[8:05] <Arch-Cloud> ok
[8:05] <maicod> 1,55 GB
[8:05] <Arch-Cloud> whats your main pc run?
[8:05] <maicod> even the gparted mounting fails with similar message
[8:05] <maicod> windows
[8:05] <maicod> on it runs vmware
[8:06] <maicod> and inside the livecd
[8:06] <maicod> and I moved the device to vmware (pass through)
[8:06] <Arch-Cloud> wouldnt it be easier to browse the filesystem using winscp?
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[8:06] <maicod> does it read ext3 on windows ?
[8:06] <Arch-Cloud> i mean booting from your pi then using winscp
[8:06] <Arch-Cloud> sorry
[8:06] <maicod> sure :)
[8:07] <maicod> I've been busy with something else and need to finish that before I start my Pi for the first time. I want to enjoiy it when I got free time
[8:07] <maicod> now I only got 1 hour before bedtime
[8:07] <Arch-Cloud> i mean i really dont see a value in just browsing to browse unless there is some purpose other than to see if you can do it
[8:08] <maicod> I just have setup the sdcard on the pc
[8:08] <Arch-Cloud> its like any other filesystem
[8:08] <maicod> yeah :)
[8:08] <maicod> I gave up don't worry
[8:08] <Arch-Cloud> lol
[8:08] <maicod> I got my Pi last thursday but i've had to work and when I was free I had to finish something important here first
[8:09] <maicod> thats almost done so after I sleep I will start playing with the Poi
[8:09] <maicod> Pi
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[8:13] <maicod> like my Arduino the Pi is a bare ciruit board and its underside can't be rested on conductive materials so I guess I need to put a plastic 'sheet' under it (I do with arduino too)
[8:15] <ebswift> i'm after a bit of help, i've managed to get my wnda3200 wireless network stick recognised, but when i go to select a network in the wheezy gui everything freezes up... any ideas?
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[8:17] <techman2> !channel
[8:17] <PiBot> techman2: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-osdev #raspbian #rpi-gentoo #raspberrypi-owners
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[8:18] <maicod> lol what a lot of channels
[8:18] <maicod> cool
[8:20] <maicod> I got a Sitecom WL-329 USB dualband wifi stick with chipset : RT3000UD-2T2R . will it work with the Pi ?
[8:23] <Arch-Cloud> maicod: your best bet is to look here: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[8:23] <maicod> thanks I will
[8:23] <Arch-Cloud> im still trying to get mine to work
[8:23] <Arch-Cloud> i wish i knew who to yell at on that page
[8:23] <maicod> Arch-Cloud: what about what I said about the danger of conductivity when lying the Pi on a table with metallic stuff
[8:24] <maicod> hehehe
[8:24] <maicod> better maybe buy a new stick that is supported for sure ?
[8:24] <Arch-Cloud> maicod: id user the static bag it comes with
[8:24] <maicod> oh thats a good one yeah
[8:24] <Arch-Cloud> maicod: yeah well
[8:24] <maicod> I use a tupperware lid turned upside down for my Arduino
[8:24] <Arch-Cloud> i have a case for mine
[8:25] <maicod> I think I'm gonna get some lego to make a 'case' :)
[8:25] <maicod> oh do you ?
[8:25] <Arch-Cloud> ya
[8:25] <maicod> I thought it wasnt yet available
[8:25] <Arch-Cloud> yeah someone from ebay makes them with there 3d printer
[8:25] <maicod> cool
[8:25] <maicod> expensive or not ?
[8:25] <maicod> got the ebayers name ?
[8:26] <Arch-Cloud> i thought it was worth the money to get....im not a fan of the whole...leave the board exposed since im swapping out sd cards all of the time to test out different distro's
[8:26] <Arch-Cloud> 22$
[8:26] <Tenchworks> modmypi is about to start production of their cases, I pre-ordered one there
[8:26] <Arch-Cloud> im sure if you wait they will go down to 5$
[8:26] <maicod> oh so the SD card isnt through a hole :(
[8:26] <techman2> I'm waiting on a modmypi case also
[8:26] <Tenchworks> they looked sturdy enough to survive the abuse I put my gear though
[8:27] <maicod> I need one with holes for every jack and the SD slot
[8:27] <Arch-Cloud> i would have gotten a modmypi but not only was i put on a waiting list but its still 2-3 weeks out
[8:27] <maicod> when did your Pi arrive ?
[8:27] <Arch-Cloud> beginning of this month
[8:28] <maicod> okay cool
[8:28] <Arch-Cloud> so ive had it for 2+ weeks
[8:28] <maicod> I was nr 31747
[8:28] <maicod> order nr
[8:28] <maicod> you?
[8:28] <Arch-Cloud> no idea..i went through newell
[8:28] <maicod> oh thought only element14 and RS sold it
[8:28] <Arch-Cloud> newell is part of that group ya
[8:28] <maicod> ok
[8:29] <maicod> well I live close to UK so I used the british sites
[8:29] <Arch-Cloud> err newwark sorry
[8:29] <maicod> RS does a good job on honest ticket drawing !
[8:29] <Arch-Cloud> Order Number: 187715
[8:29] <maicod> they neatly emailed me every week with updates
[8:30] <Arch-Cloud> submitted in May
[8:30] <maicod> ah cool
[8:30] <maicod> I got my order invitation 3.5 weeks ago
[8:31] <maicod> also got one ordered @ element14
[8:32] <maicod> you ordered a 2nd ?
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[8:34] <ebswift> well, for what it's worth i fixed the problem i was trying to solve above by setting up a wpa.conf and adding it to interfaces as per http://elinux.org/RPi_Peripherals
[8:34] * ebswift has no idea what he is doing
[8:34] <maicod> good
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[8:35] <Arch-Cloud> ebswift: lol
[8:36] <ebswift> on the plus side i do have some succinct instructions for getting wnda3200 working on wheezy
[8:37] <Arch-Cloud> yeah i wish i knew the author of mine and have him talk me through this
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[8:39] <rasp7aa> wouldn't the author have better things to do than customer support?
[8:39] <maicod> do only powered usb hubs work?
[8:40] <maicod> I only see talking about powered hubs on http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Hubs
[8:40] <rasp7aa> no but most things need more power than a unpowered hub can provide
[8:40] <maicod> oh so its not 2x500ma ?
[8:40] <maicod> that the Pi can give on USB ?
[8:40] <rasp7aa> more like 2x100ma
[8:40] <maicod> :(
[8:40] <Tenchworks> a reg will work, but the power draw from the pi can/probably will have negative effects
[8:41] <maicod> so its not like on a pc
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[8:41] <maicod> pc has 500 per port huh
[8:41] <rasp7aa> maicod: Yeah it's a shame. But it's what they went with.
[8:41] <maicod> :(
[8:41] <rasp7aa> You've got to think of the pi as more of a tablet without a screen than a fully fledged desktop
[8:41] <maicod> ofcourse
[8:42] <Tenchworks> a versitable tablet
[8:42] <maicod> but I thought I could use a hub without power adapter on it and use for instance a wifi stick
[8:42] <maicod> :(
[8:42] <Tenchworks> so much can be done, so much to be done
[8:42] <rasp7aa> maicod: The pi has a fuse which prevents it drawing more than 700mA
[8:42] <ebswift> i can add a new hub to that wiki list
[8:43] <maicod> okay but will the USB ports (without using a hub) give normal 500ma max ?
[8:43] <Tenchworks> wifi stick will probably want more than the port provides unpowered
[8:43] <rasp7aa> maicod: Would that be wifi stick + keyboard + mouse?
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[8:43] <rasp7aa> my pi works fine with just a wifi stick.
[8:43] <Tenchworks> or at least my adapters do :(
[8:43] <maicod> rasp7aa: oh yeah then I'd need a hub :)
[8:43] <maicod> rasp7aa: I got this stick: WL-329 from sitecom (its dual band) . you know it ?
[8:44] <rasp7aa> But I didn't like the latency I was getting, so my pi is sitting next to my router now
[8:44] <rasp7aa> http://www.sitecom.com/image/productimage/4455/wl-329-product.jpg
[8:44] <maicod> rasp7aa: its chipset is RT3000UD-2T2R
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[8:45] <Arch-Cloud> rasp7aa: well one COULD think that they would have better things to do but i would think it would benifit others if they got the same hardware and there instructions actually worked rather than re-write the sources.list, not detect what dist it is and have it get stuck at a certian point where it doesnt complete....
[8:45] <rasp7aa> Arch-Cloud: It would have also been nice to have all the ports on one side. To have an ethernet in-line with the usb..
[8:46] <rasp7aa> They should definitely ship it with a power supply with the edu release, there's too many issues with people using their own
[8:46] <maicod> rasp7aa: what do you mean with latency ?
[8:47] <maicod> wifi was slow ?
[8:47] <Arch-Cloud> rasp7aa: ohh i 100% agree with you there
[8:47] <rasp7aa> yeah
[8:47] <rasp7aa> and the signal was a bit crap
[8:47] <maicod> and in a pc the wifi stick has better signal?
[8:47] <maicod> that sucks then
[8:47] <rasp7aa> maicod: I dunno, I think it's just my thick walls.
[8:47] <maicod> OK
[8:48] <maicod> rasp7aa: if you use 5GHZ then its indeed the walls
[8:48] <maicod> 5GHZ doesnt penetrate walls easily
[8:48] <rasp7aa> maicod: I've ended up using one of these for my laptop :P http://www.solidwireless.com/images/SK-30_1.jpg
[8:49] <maicod> is that legal ?
[8:50] <rasp7aa> Of course, it's only a piddly little plastic thing. But the point is that it's directional unlike a traditional antenna, so you can point it directly at the router
[8:50] <maicod> I live in Netherlands might that make a difference ;)
[8:51] <maicod> oh its just a directional antenna thing connected to your laptops wifi thingy ?
[8:51] <maicod> I thought it was a signal booster
[8:51] <maicod> to use a stronger wifi signal than normally is allowed
[8:51] <rasp7aa> yeah it's just an oversized wifi dongle
[8:51] <maicod> LOL
[8:51] <maicod> OK :)
[8:51] <maicod> got it
[8:51] <maicod> hehe
[8:51] <rasp7aa> the actual dongle part is the size of my phone though
[8:52] <maicod> you live in a crowded wifi area probably
[8:52] <maicod> oh so not so small either then
[8:52] <maicod> not like my WL-329 :)
[8:52] <rasp7aa> indeed
[8:52] <maicod> my laptop has a built in wifi
[8:52] <maicod> but its G only
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[8:52] <maicod> suits for most uses
[8:52] <rasp7aa> something like this would be nice, http://s.ecrater.com/stores/242911/4f2dfa34511cf_242911n.jpg
[8:53] <maicod> LOL
[8:53] <maicod> I thought 5GHZ was great but one concrete wall is all thats needed to make it suck :)
[8:54] <rasp7aa> yeah and the router is on the other side of the house
[8:54] <maicod> the speed I get is same as on 2.4 G
[8:54] <maicod> :(
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[8:54] <maicod> I live in a flat so theres wifi under and above me and left and right from me ;)
[8:55] <rasp7aa> yeah it sucks that there's only essentially 3 wifi channels, there's supposed to be 11 or so but they all overlap
[8:55] <maicod> yeah indeed
[8:55] <maicod> 1,6,13
[8:55] <maicod> not more
[8:55] <rasp7aa> I think 14 is legal in japan
[8:55] <maicod> and in USA 1,6,11
[8:55] <maicod> usa has only up to 11 right ?
[8:55] <rasp7aa> probably
[8:56] <maicod> hehe the military wants EVERYTHING
[8:56] <maicod> army crazy :)
[8:56] <Tachyon`> they have bigger electrons though, particularly in texas so 11 there is like 13 here
[8:56] <maicod> sorry fellow americans :)
[8:56] <maicod> don;t want to insult
[8:56] <rasp7aa> lol
[8:56] <rasp7aa> I've gotta catch a train, bye
[8:56] <maicod> bye rasp7aa
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[8:56] <maicod> im leaving too. bye Arch-Cloud
[8:57] <maicod> bedtime
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[8:59] <Arch-Cloud> laters
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[9:54] <Arch-Cloud> anyone know how to tell if your wlan0 is actually working? i see it in ifconfig but not getting a dhcp ip
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[9:55] <magn3ts> Arch-Cloud: you can run dhclient and let it get an IP and then check
[9:56] <Arch-Cloud> yeah i saw that during boot and it tried but gave up
[9:56] <magn3ts> Arch-Cloud: you can also do 'iwconfig' to check if it's connected to an AP
[9:56] <magn3ts> you may need "wireless-tools" or "iw" for that
[9:56] <ebswift> +Arch-Cloud sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[9:56] <Arch-Cloud> doesnt seem i have a iwconfig
[9:56] <ebswift> i just this very minute finished going through all that with a fresh install to get my doco right
[9:56] <ebswift> which distro?
[9:56] <Arch-Cloud> rasbian
[9:57] <Arch-Cloud> wheezy
[9:57] <OllieMorfik> bmc
[9:57] <ebswift> oh, i'm using wheezy - the official beta
[9:57] <magn3ts> Arch-Cloud: apt-get wireless-tools
[9:57] <Arch-Cloud> hmm ok i dont seem to have iwlist either
[9:57] <Arch-Cloud> ok
[9:57] <magn3ts> How does XBMC offset using the omxplayer backend?
[9:57] <ebswift> apt-get aptitude upgrade
[9:58] <ebswift> i didn't have to install the wireless tools
[9:58] <ebswift> erm, but first apt-get aptitude update
[9:58] <Arch-Cloud> k
[9:58] <ebswift> which comes up with md5 errors constantly, so it may require retries :/
[9:58] <ebswift> (the update bit)
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[10:07] <Arch-Cloud> ok...finally got wireless-tools installed
[10:08] <Arch-Cloud> ok i see wlan0 link is not ready
[10:09] <mythos> ifconfig wlan0 up
[10:09] <mythos> and then try iwlist wlan0 scan
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[10:10] <ebswift> i found this page to be especially helpful (even though I'm not using the device or firmware that that page is for) http://elinux.org/RPi_Peripherals
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[10:11] <Arch-Cloud> ebswift: yeah ive been there.....
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[10:13] <ebswift> yeah, gotta get the driver happening first.. i'm fortunate that mine's pretty-much 'out of the box' with wheezy
[10:13] <Arch-Cloud> which one did you get?
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[10:14] <ebswift> driver or wifi device? mine's the virgin branded wnda3200
[10:14] <ebswift> imported from uk
[10:14] <Arch-Cloud> wifi device
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[10:14] <ebswift> they're cheap as chips, dual band
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[10:15] <Arch-Cloud> from that same website?
[10:15] <ebswift> mine's from ebay, there's scattered mentions of it around the web for rpi
[10:15] <ebswift> couldn't get it working for rasbmc, which is pretty-much why i went to debian - get it working there first
[10:16] <ebswift> though i know nothing about linux
[10:16] <Arch-Cloud> hmm ill have to try the official wheezy
[10:16] <Arch-Cloud> see if that makes a difference
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[10:17] <Syliss> hmm, this is a good idea
[10:17] <Syliss> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uM6X-HXWIDI/T-YEU3h63RI/AAAAAAAAK9E/1txOHkekroQ/s800/2012-06-23_10-57-20_823.jpg
[10:17] <Arch-Cloud> ohhh
[10:17] <ebswift> neat
[10:17] <Syliss> I'm using a wrt54g for wifi on my pi
[10:17] <Arch-Cloud> that is neat
[10:18] <Arch-Cloud> Syliss: lol thats cheating
[10:18] <Syliss> no its not
[10:18] <Syliss> if it had usb i would have put it inside the wrt
[10:18] <ebswift> i got the wnda3200 hoping to have the grunt to play back movies over my network
[10:18] <ebswift> (not yet tested)
[10:19] <Arch-Cloud> ahhh ok so the iwlist wlan0 scan does see the AP
[10:19] <Syliss> hmm, that has flash memory in it
[10:20] <ebswift> Syliss, it connects as a cdrom and is then switched over to a wifi
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[10:20] <ebswift> had to install usb-modeswitch
[10:20] <Syliss> i wonder if you could flash it to be used as storage
[10:21] <ebswift> could be handy
[10:21] <Syliss> depends on how big it is
[10:21] <ebswift> probably limited - enough to hold its windows drivers
[10:21] <Syliss> probably like 64mb
[10:23] <ebswift> Arch-Cloud you should be home & hosed
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[10:23] <Arch-Cloud> i am home...and im assuming hosed = drunk?
[10:25] <ebswift> haha, just an expression - like safe & sound i suppose
[10:26] <Arch-Cloud> hmmm so my wlan0 can see the AP's i have in my house but wont get an ip
[10:26] <ebswift> did you add the adapter definition to the network config and create the wpa.conf?
[10:26] <mythos> Arch-Cloud, if it is a wpa-network, you need wpasupplicant
[10:27] <Arch-Cloud> it is a wpa network
[10:27] <mythos> then there you go
[10:27] <ebswift> i think mine's wpa, but didn't need to do anything like that
[10:27] <Arch-Cloud> where is the wpa.conf located?
[10:27] <ebswift> just do those two things from here http://elinux.org/RPi_Peripherals
[10:28] <ebswift> they explain how to fit them together
[10:28] <ebswift> seems for any device
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[10:28] <ebswift> "Add adapter definition to network config"
[10:29] <ebswift> and "Create the wpa.conf file"
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[10:30] <mythos> ebswift, this article descripes how you configure wpasupplicant
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[10:37] <ebswift> mythos, ok thx, i created it, didn't particularly know the terminology
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[10:42] <Arch-Cloud> ok lets see if any of that makes any difference
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[10:43] <Arch-Cloud> sadly it did not
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[10:43] <ebswift> strange given it could see the ssid
[10:45] <Arch-Cloud> it can see all of them
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[10:47] <ebswift> disconnected lan cable before reboot?
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[10:47] <Arch-Cloud> no
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[10:47] <Arch-Cloud> it shoukd still get an ip
[10:47] <ebswift> maybe they can't co-exist; i did see somewhere where they couldn't, but the rules change with distros
[10:48] <Arch-Cloud> im gonna try the official wheezy
[10:48] <Arch-Cloud> see if that makes any difference
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[10:50] <ebswift> my wheezy install doesn't take up the full 1080p screen where raspbmc does... not sure if anyone else sees the same issue or whether i have a video driver problem i need to solve?
[10:50] <Arch-Cloud> yep same here
[10:51] <techman2> tried disabling overscan?
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[10:51] <ebswift> i'll give it a whirl
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[10:54] <ebswift> hah, well that was easy, thanks techman2
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[11:00] <ebswift> Arch-Cloud after imaging the offical version, make sure you do the update and upgrade, it opens up all the important extras
[11:01] <Arch-Cloud> ok
[11:01] <Arch-Cloud> good think i have a bunch of sd cards heh
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[11:02] <ebswift> i've currently got one :/
[11:02] <ebswift> i could use some micro sd's but i don't think they're even class 4
[11:02] <Arch-Cloud> i have 2 16 gigs and 4 8 gigs
[11:02] <ebswift> nice
[11:03] <ebswift> my camera takes dual sd's so i'm 'borrowing' one; the other main one i don't want to take away from the camera
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[11:03] <ebswift> 1x16 and 1x8 i think
[11:03] <Tenchworks> if your in the US, I'm pretty sure radioshack is doing a sale for 32GB micro-sdhc's
[11:04] <ebswift> they're getting cheap quickly
[11:04] <reider59> I just ordered a 16gb for a fiver last night
[11:04] <Syliss> really Tenchworks ?
[11:05] <reider59> to replace my broken one, plastic was broken off it so no wonder it failed
[11:05] <Arch-Cloud> Tenchworks: i dont see anything on there website
[11:05] <ebswift> what class reider59?
[11:05] <Tenchworks> er well looks likethe price went up from when i last saw it but
[11:05] <Tenchworks> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12353472&filterName=Type&filterValue=Micro+SD
[11:06] <Tenchworks> $40 bucks now >.>
[11:06] <Arch-Cloud> 8 gigs is way to big for it
[11:06] <Arch-Cloud> and there like 5$
[11:06] <ebswift> the 16 in my cam is a class 6 and it wasn't cheap
[11:06] <Tenchworks> I remember getting them a couple weeks ago at $25 or $30 a peice, snagged 4
[11:06] <Syliss> ah
[11:07] <Tenchworks> but alass I only have one of the 4 left for pi use
[11:07] <Arch-Cloud> ebswift: i got 2 16 gig class 10's for like 12$
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[11:07] <ebswift> off-the-shelf is so expensive here... online is the only way to fly
[11:07] <Syliss> wow
[11:07] <Syliss> where Arch-Cloud ?
[11:08] <ebswift> that's damn cheap Arch-Cloud
[11:08] <Arch-Cloud> amazon
[11:08] <Syliss> hmm
[11:08] <reider59> always handy to have in and 2 people tested the one I sent for, it works AOK in the RPi. I`m not pushed to get one but at that price couldn`t say no.
[11:08] <ebswift> amazon doesn't sell all their specials intl
[11:08] <reider59> free delivery too
[11:10] <Syliss> http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-SDHC-Class-Secure-Digital/dp/B0058GH0LS/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1340528878&sr=1-3&keywords=sdhc+class+10+8gb
[11:10] <Syliss> cheap
[11:10] <Arch-Cloud> well thaats a plus...they dont mess with the console font...ohh neat...a setup util
[11:12] <Syliss> http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Class-SDHC-Flash-Memory/dp/B003VNKNEG/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1340528955&sr=1-1&keywords=sdhc+class+10+8gb
[11:12] <Syliss> even better
[11:12] <Syliss> ugh now i want that with the lapdock
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[11:12] <Arch-Cloud> Syliss: you mean that motorola lapdock?
[11:13] <Syliss> yep
[11:13] <Arch-Cloud> ebay?
[11:13] <ebswift> Heh, that amazon transcend card would be $7.32 shipping for me :/
[11:13] <Syliss> meh its been $65 on amazon
[11:13] <Draylor> excellent, much improved SD card speeds in the kernel from rpi-update now
[11:13] <Syliss> ebay it changes too much plus all the cheaper ones are missing psu
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[11:14] <Syliss> plus all the ebay ones are pretty much used, amazon is new
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[11:15] <ebswift> Syliss, damn, that's cheap... i've got an atrix, but it's in the warranty phone hospital atm
[11:15] <Syliss> ?
[11:16] <ebswift> dead spot in the digitiser
[11:16] <Arch-Cloud> what the f is this thing doing...i selected the enable/disable ssh server and its just sitting there
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[11:16] <Syliss> that sucks, I have an iPhone 4s currently
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[11:17] <Syliss> hopefully i can sell it when the 5 comes out
[11:17] <Arch-Cloud> you will
[11:17] <Syliss> and just pay my etf
[11:17] <Arch-Cloud> i dont have any issues selling mine
[11:17] <ebswift> gah, on the lapdock "We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination"
[11:17] <Syliss> i live in a shitty area
[11:18] <ebswift> Draylor, is that with the wheezy beta?
[11:19] <Tenchworks> well look at that, 32GB micro-sdhc's at $15USD a pop
[11:19] <Tenchworks> http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-microSDHC-Memory-Packaging-SDSDQM-032G-B35/dp/B004G60AD6/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
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[11:19] <Arch-Cloud> 32 gigs is a little overkill
[11:20] <Syliss> class 4 tho
[11:20] <Tenchworks> class 4 should be fine
[11:20] <Tenchworks> well depends on what you are doing with it
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[11:20] <Arch-Cloud> Syliss: i have both class4 and class 10...i get the same speeds with both
[11:20] <Syliss> hmm
[11:20] <Syliss> lol, http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-microSDHC-Memory-Packaging-SDSDQM-032G-B35/dp/B004G60AD6/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
[11:21] <Syliss> with shipping its only 8.66
[11:21] <Arch-Cloud> thats the same link Tenchworks just posted
[11:21] <Tenchworks> he might be seeing a different deal
[11:21] <Syliss> click on the 16gb
[11:22] <Tenchworks> 3.67
[11:22] <Tenchworks> for half the size
[11:22] <Syliss> yep
[11:22] <Tenchworks> shipping will cost more
[11:22] <Syliss> 8.66
[11:22] <Tenchworks> unless you can get supersaver
[11:22] <Syliss> so still less than half
[11:22] <Syliss> lol
[11:23] <Syliss> ugh its after 2am here i need to sleep
[11:23] <Tenchworks> er yeah I need to do teh same
[11:23] <Arch-Cloud> yeah 2am here to
[11:23] <Arch-Cloud> Syliss: you in the states?
[11:23] <Syliss> im in cali
[11:23] <Arch-Cloud> ahh im in OR
[11:24] <Arch-Cloud> i moved from sac
[11:24] <Syliss> yeah I'm in a crappy area
[11:24] <Syliss> chico
[11:24] <Arch-Cloud> ahh yeah
[11:24] <Syliss> sac is 90 miles away
[11:24] <Arch-Cloud> heh yarp...fucking hot there right now
[11:24] <Arch-Cloud> glad i moved
[11:24] <Tenchworks> well back to idling, later yall
[11:24] <Syliss> na its been cool the last 2 days
[11:25] <Syliss> but before that yeah, over 100 here
[11:26] <Arch-Cloud> its like 70 here
[11:27] <Arch-Cloud> gonna be 81 wed/thurs but then gonna drop back to low 70's
[11:27] <Arch-Cloud> good times
[11:27] <Syliss> nice
[11:27] <Syliss> well later
[11:27] <Arch-Cloud> l8
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[11:28] <Arch-Cloud> whats the name of that console font?
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[11:30] <reider59> Just had to cancel our damn photography trip for tomorrow. weather shows more of the rain we had lately and no sun til Tuesday.
[11:30] <Arch-Cloud> doh
[11:31] <reider59> We were going to Lymm in cheshire, to the lake, down to the canal and village, then the lovely chippy there + an ice cream up at the lake. Always good photos there but almost no cover from the rain.
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[11:33] <Arch-Cloud> it rains alot here to
[11:33] <ebswift> rain was just in time for the weekend here and it held :/
[11:33] <reider59> Doesn`t here but it has lately. Manchester gets a lot but we`re 20 miles from there
[11:37] <Helldesk> strange, there's no rpi-update found by apt
[11:37] <Helldesk> has it been deprecated?
[11:37] <Arch-Cloud> shouldnt
[11:38] <Helldesk> unable to locate package rpi-update
[11:38] <Helldesk> (yes, I have done apt-get update, and upgrade too, went fine)
[11:38] <Helldesk> flashed in the wheezy
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[11:38] <Arch-Cloud> ebswift: you just installed it..what did you do to get rpi-update working?
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[11:39] <Arch-Cloud> Helldesk: im in the process in doing the same thing
[11:39] <ebswift> uh, didn't do any rpi-update... what does that do beyond upgrade?
[11:39] <Gadgetoid> Well, just taken a bunch of *pictures* of my Pi driving a multiplexed 7-segment display with system uptime... need to charge my camera and get a video methinks
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[11:39] <Helldesk> it updates the firmware-specific files and modules
[11:39] <Helldesk> that's what I used in squeeze
[11:39] <Arch-Cloud> yeah thats what i used in rasbian
[11:40] <ebswift> i'm pretty sure the link said to use upgrade... i'll double-check
[11:40] <reider59> I think the Wheezy beta had the firmware built in or something. It was the Alpha that said to upgrade
[11:41] <ebswift> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435
[11:41] <ebswift> "Future firmware updates will be delivered via apt-get upgrade"
[11:41] <Helldesk> ok
[11:42] <Helldesk> and stuff like the memory split (which is done either manually or previously via rpi-update as an argument) is configured through raspi-config
[11:42] <Arch-Cloud> The kernel and ???firmware??? is the same as the most recent available at https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware. The packaged deb version (thanks to Will Thompson at Collabora) is available at the archive.raspberrypi.org apt repository.
[11:43] <Helldesk> dang, this still isn't able to reboot on my SD card
[11:43] <Arch-Cloud> say what?
[11:43] <Helldesk> the same old thing I've mentioned before
[11:44] <Helldesk> it has to be kept powered down for x minutes before it will boot again from it
[11:44] <Arch-Cloud> ohhhhhh right
[11:44] <Helldesk> another smaller card I have OpenELEC on reboots just fine
[11:44] <Arch-Cloud> well that sucks
[11:44] <Arch-Cloud> ive never not have it reboot
[11:44] <Helldesk> the strange thing is that the squeeze ended up not booting up at all
[11:45] <Helldesk> it just blinked the OK led six times, which apparently means start.elf was no loaded, but boot.bin was
[11:45] <Arch-Cloud> i have like 4 sd cards with different distros
[11:45] <Helldesk> I have only one big enough for these fully-featured ones
[11:45] <ebswift> i'm going to see if my wheezy boots on the other rpi
[11:45] <Helldesk> arch didn't work on this one at all
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[11:46] <Helldesk> although that may just have been for who knows what, not something specific to arch itself, as such
[11:46] <ebswift> interesting how one ripi has the big CE where the other doesn't...
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[11:46] <Helldesk> nice that there's the automatic expansion now...
[11:46] <Helldesk> to use the full card
[11:47] <ebswift> that is a nice thing Helldesk... easy for newbies like me
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[11:49] <ebswift> well i can happily report that wheezy will boot off the same card on a 2nd rpi... i think there were such issues in raspbmc that were fixed
[11:50] <spike__> hi all
[11:50] <Arch-Cloud> hi
[11:50] <spike__> does anyone use raspbmc?
[11:50] <Arch-Cloud> ebswift does apparently
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[11:51] <ebswift> began playing with it but haven't had joy with wifi yet, which is my main point of concern
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps!
[11:51] <spike__> i've got a newbie question, how do i set a static ip
[11:51] <Arch-Cloud> hi gordonDrogon
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[11:51] <ebswift> been concentrating with the wheezy beta to see if i could get wifi working *at all* and it does
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> spike__, if debian, edit /etc/network/interfaces
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[11:52] <ebswift> *does work*
[11:52] <spike__> ok gordon got that
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> spike__, comment out the auto eth0 dhcp line and add:
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> auto eth0
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> iface eth0 inet static
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> address 192.168.254.2
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> netmask 255.255.255.0
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> gateway 192.168.254.1
[11:52] <reider59> WiFi working in Wheezy here, but I cheated and used a script for a range of adapters including my Edimax 7811Un
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> spike__, replace the IP addresses as required locally.
[11:52] <spike__> cheers, i'll try that
[11:52] <Arch-Cloud> reider59: a range?
[11:53] <reider59> yes, a range of adapters that use the same driver type
[11:53] <Arch-Cloud> ohh i see
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> ebswift, the early 1st back of Pi's didn't have CE on the silkscreen as they hadn't been CE tested at the time...
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> ebswift, *batch
[11:54] <Arch-Cloud> ebswift: no wifi love from this build
[11:54] <reider59> RTL8188CUS based WiFi Adapters
[11:54] <Arch-Cloud> infact it doesnt even see it
[11:54] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256
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[11:55] <Arch-Cloud> reider59: i have one of those
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[11:55] <ebswift> goodonDrogon, interesting, well the 1st one came with the CE cert as an extra slip of paper in the box
[11:56] <Syliss> Ugh I hate getting good ideas before falling asleep.
[11:56] <ebswift> a collectable :)
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[11:57] <reider59> In Debian Squeeze, for some strange reason, my internet didn`t work until I changed the RPi to STATIC addressing. In Debian Wheezy I had no problem but it was easier to set STATIC addressing for the wired and the WiFi connection so I knew the IP address at all times.
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[11:57] <gordonDrogon> ebswift, yea, mine too...
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[11:58] <Arch-Cloud> reider59: you used that script for wheezy?
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> ebswift, I think the first 10,000 were like that...
[11:58] <ebswift> yeah, but still limited ;)
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[11:58] <reider59> Page 8 has the script for the wheezy beta, about 3/4 of the way down. Post by the OP MrEngman
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> reider59, check the udev scripts - if you've used the same SD card in 2 different Pi's then it sometimes creates an aliad for the network port )-:
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[11:59] <ebswift> i may well have been in the 1st 10,000 in the uk order, definately not in the australian order though
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[11:59] <gordonDrogon> ebswift, I got an early one off ebay, then another via the usual channels...
[11:59] <Arch-Cloud> reider59: yeah im very familier with this script..in fact it over writes your apt-get sources.list
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[12:00] <gordonDrogon> do you think bash is an acceptable programming language for introductory GPIO poking?
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[12:01] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: I think so
[12:01] <WASDx> That's just echo 1 > /something/gpio1 right?
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/tuxx
[12:02] <WASDx> or with that software you had
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> with my wiringPi ...
[12:02] <WASDx> yeah that one
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[12:03] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: Do i get an electric shock or something if i put a finger on the 5V and ground?
[12:03] <Moonlit> bash? pah! RISC OS and BBC BASIC for life
[12:03] <Moonlit> also, morning
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, very highly unlikely.
[12:04] <WASDx> My finger has high resistance i suppose?
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, with wet, salty fingers you may get a tingle, but even then it's unlikely.
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, stick your tongue over it if you want a tingle...
[12:04] <Moonlit> yeah, I wouldn't worry about shocking yourself on a Pi or similar
[12:04] <WASDx> no thanks
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> Moonlit, I write my own BASIC ...
[12:04] <Moonlit> that works too, I suppose
[12:04] <Moonlit> but I like the nostalgia factor
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> Moonlit, it has GPIO commands built into it :)
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> Moonlit, http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb1.png
[12:05] <Moonlit> in fact, when I eventually get my hands on a Pi, I'm gonna glue it to the back of one of those Motorola Atrix Lapdocks and have me an Acorn laptop :D
[12:05] <spike__> newb question: are the usb connections powered? can they support an external 2.5 hard drive?
[12:05] <Moonlit> gordonDrogon - ooh, flashy
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> Moonlit, I need to find time to package it up for the Pi...
[12:06] <Dysk2> spike__, yes and no respectively
[12:06] <Moonlit> spike__ - they're powered, but I wouldn't expect much current out of them
[12:06] <Arch-Cloud> spike__: in most cases no..you need powered hub
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> spike__, usb is powered, but it's very weedy. Very much better to use external powered hub.
[12:06] <Dysk2> spike__, they've a 200ma or so polyfuse
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> Dysk2, 140mA, but really, over 100mA and you'll be having issues.
[12:06] <Moonlit> suitable for a keyboard/mouse/USB stick maybe, but not a HDD
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> Moonlit, see rtb2.png and rtb3.png on the same url...
[12:07] <Moonlit> gordonDrogon - nice, what's it written in?
[12:08] <spike__> aah ok, i have a 320 gig seagate. would that info be on the case regarding ma? i guess i can try. the nintendo wii supports it if thats any use
[12:08] <Dysk2> spike__, it'll trip the fuses
[12:08] <spike__> right
[12:08] <Moonlit> probably written on the label somewhere, spike__, but it's definitely going to be too much for the Pi
[12:08] <Moonlit> talking 100s of mAs
[12:09] <rasp8aa> you need a powered hub for anything more hungry than a simple keyboard
[12:09] <Moonlit> even a single desktop USB can have trouble powering 2.5" HDDs, and they're rated to 500mA if the device requests it
[12:09] <spike__> best get a powered hub then, off to amazon for a browse. Do any of you fine peeps have any recommended brands/models?
[12:09] <Moonlit> any random hub'll do, as long as it's powered
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[12:10] <rasp8aa> therws a list in the elinux wiki
[12:10] <spike__> cheers, thanks for the info. I thought i'd ask before i dived in. :)
[12:10] <Arch-Cloud> not any random hub btw
[12:10] <Arch-Cloud> i bought said random hub and it was crap for the pi
[12:10] <Moonlit> in fact, if it's got a bit enough power supply, you could probably power the Pi itself off it too
[12:11] <Moonlit> so you'd only need one power plug
[12:11] <Moonlit> *big enough
[12:11] <spike__> nice
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[12:11] <rasp8aa> yeah some hubs are sketchy
[12:11] <spike__> i'll check the wiki
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[12:11] <Moonlit> I'd say 2A should cover the HDD and the Pi without an issue, and a couple of other low power devices too
[12:12] <Arch-Cloud> Moonlit: i have to disagree...i bought a random hub and it only provided 4.73 volts on tp1 and tp2..which is not enough power and will make it unstable
[12:12] <Moonlit> call it 700mA for the Pi, 700mA for the HDD
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[12:12] <rasp8aa> Just google for a verified peripherals list. I'd give you the direct link but I'm on my phone.
[12:12] <Moonlit> Arch-Cloud - alright, I suppose I should ammend that to "any random hub which doesn't have a sketchy Chinese power supply" :P
[12:12] <Dyskette> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[12:12] <Arch-Cloud> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[12:12] <Dyskette> Heh
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> Moonlit, the BASIC is written in C.
[12:12] <Arch-Cloud> Dyskette: lol you beat me
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[12:13] <Arch-Cloud> Moonlit: and chip set
[12:13] <Moonlit> gordonDrogon - cool
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[12:13] <gordonDrogon> Moonlit, I'll be publishing it under gpl soon - once I get it properly packaged up as a debian .deb thing.
[12:13] <Moonlit> Arch-Cloud - depends on the hub I guess, some of the cheapo ones just have passthrough power and supply whatever the devices happen to pull
[12:14] <Arch-Cloud> ebswift: well i got a kernel dump on this wheezy beta
[12:14] <rasp8aa> some powered hubs still try to leech power drom the pi for some reason
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[12:14] <ebswift> gordonDrogon, I found a thread on identification here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5889; the 1st is 1213, the 2nd is 1218
[12:14] <spike__> cheers Arch,Dyskette. I've bookmarked that url
[12:14] <Dyskette> Poor design/construction.
[12:14] <Moonlit> gordonDrogon - sounds good, I like the idea of BASIC on the Pi... I might be a little bit biased, having used the old BBCs back at school, but still, it worked for me :P
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> ebswift, I actually have 3 Pis - all with different PCBs...
[12:15] <spike__> i used sinclair basic way back when, with some peek and pokes :)
[12:15] <ebswift> Arch-Cloud, u mean downloaded?
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> Moonlit, I agree with you - I started a little earlier in Apple II's thought.
[12:15] <rasp8aa> lolcode is better than basic
[12:16] <Moonlit> never really used Apples myself
[12:16] <ebswift> gordonDrogon, well, keep them working... once they're mainstream, buy new ones, box the old ones up and put 'em away ;)
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[12:16] <Moonlit> school was all Acorn gear
[12:16] <Arch-Cloud> ebswift: yeah
[12:16] <Moonlit> until PCs took over :(
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> Moonlit, in a fit of nostalgia I wrote my basic over xmas/new year just gone...
[12:16] <Moonlit> had a Spectrum and an Amiga later on at home
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[12:17] <gordonDrogon> I bought an Apple II and BBC Micro off ebay in January just to remind me how they were :)
[12:17] <Moonlit> gordonDrogon - and why not, eh?
[12:17] <ebswift> Arch-Cloud, well i know the official beta has a heap of new wifi stuff but *only* after upgrade do you see some new stuff
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> http://www.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[12:17] <Moonlit> lol, nice
[12:17] <spike__> my time line was spectrum/atari800/atarist/amiga1200. then a pc
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> woops: http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[12:17] <Moonlit> BBCs go for a few quid these days, I've often checked ebay just out of curiosity
[12:17] <spike__> amiga had a cool os
[12:17] <ebswift> very cool, hold onto them if you have the space gordonDrogon
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> Moonlit, BBC B's are relatively cheap, you just need to shop around. There are pleny off them. Apple II's can be expensive, depending on the state they are in..
[12:18] <ebswift> my 1st pc was a vic20
[12:18] <Moonlit> AmigaOS was good, but RISC OS had its upsides too, was never a big fan of Apple System or Atari TOS though
[12:18] <rasp8aa> is anyone planning to use a micro shell as a case?
[12:18] <ebswift> i learned basic on the vic20
[12:18] <ebswift> rasp8aa, linky?
[12:18] <spike__> my mate had a zx81, with a dk tronics keyboard + with wobbly ram pack
[12:18] <Moonlit> gordonDrogon - I'd probably skip the Apple, and I don't really have room to start gathering a museum again sadly
[12:19] <Moonlit> otherwise I'd still have piles of gear, lol
[12:19] <rasp8aa> no link, I mean a gutted bbc micro
[12:19] <spike__> spent hours typing hex code from your computer magazine
[12:19] <Moonlit> oh man, those big old programming books too
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[12:19] <spike__> games rarely worked :)
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[12:19] <cjbaird> It was a family effort typing in the C64 turbo-tape program here. :)
[12:20] <Moonlit> spike__ - you forgot the bracket/colon/dollar/insert missing punctuation mark appropriate to your machine :P
[12:20] <Moonlit> lol cjbaird
[12:20] <spike__> yeah, those were the days
[12:20] <spike__> happy times
[12:20] <Moonlit> and editing was crude, too
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> the biggest issue with the game books/magazines, etc. was that at the time there was no easy way to go from the real live program to the printed version - they were often re-typed in by the typesetters, introducing errors ...
[12:21] <ebswift> one of my 1st programs after moving on from the vic20 to the c64 was a text-to-voice thingy that would read all my DATA lines that i copied from commodore magazine so i could lay back in bed and circle any incorrect entries i had to fix
[12:21] <cjbaird> The problem for me was the cost-- I got a whole $5/month to spend on magazines.. ;_;
[12:21] <reider59> I recall looking for errors and fuming because none were to be seen. Only to find the following week/month issue pointed out they made a mistake D`oh! good fun though
[12:21] <spike__> wow, thats sounds space age ebswift
[12:21] * Moonlit hands cjbaird a pile of "blank" tapes
[12:22] <spike__> i used a ruler and a marker pen :)
[12:22] <Arch-Cloud> ebswift: lol man wifi doesnt even work now
[12:22] <Moonlit> lol reider59
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[12:22] <reider59> My ZX81 was ??54 from WH Smith, loved it.
[12:22] <cjbaird> Luckily the local council library started getting the australia computer mags, so that covered part of it. By all the decent VIC20 games were in the British publications..
[12:22] <ebswift> spike, i started getting cross-eyed trying to go over 15 pages of numbers, so the text-to-voice thing was a miracle at the time
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[12:23] <reider59> I liked the Acorn Electron too
[12:23] <ebswift> Arch-Cloud, maybe there's an updated driver you can install?
[12:23] <Arch-Cloud> ebswift: well i dont even see it detecting on the console
[12:23] <Moonlit> whatever happened to line numbers, eh?
[12:24] <ebswift> sounds like you need to go through the whole identify thing and locate the driver Arch-Cloud
[12:24] <ebswift> *if one exists*
[12:24] <Moonlit> last time I used line numbers was when I tried to write a GPS receiver program in a BBC Micro emulator
[12:24] <Moonlit> some years ago
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[12:24] <Moonlit> didn't really work though, running at realtime BBC speed it was far too slow
[12:25] <ebswift> Moonlit, these were worse than line numbers, these were 'data' statements with like 15 numbers per line that you had to enter for pages and pages
[12:25] <Moonlit> oh, nice
[12:25] <spike__> just tried a usb stick on raspbmc, it works but only if i insert it post boot.
[12:25] <Moonlit> that's a headache
[12:25] <reider59> I had the Vic 20 and two Commodore 64`s, an Einstein, an Amstrad (either 8256 or 8512 or something in that order), others I forgot too
[12:25] <spike__> does raspbmc auto mount on boot?
[12:26] <ebswift> amstrad was the dark side back then; einstein was off my radar
[12:26] <Moonlit> I never had an Amstrad, but I do have a random 3" CP/M floppy somewhere
[12:27] <reider59> I did our warehouse stock intake/goods out and perpetual inventory in Basic on the Amstrad, really enjoyed it.
[12:27] <Moonlit> should get a Catweasel card and an Amstrad drive eventually and try and read it
[12:29] <Moonlit> spike__ - dunno, but the stick could be drawing a fair bit of current, what are you powering the Pi with?
[12:29] <ebswift> i got into "simon's basic" for a while which was a cartridge
[12:29] <spike__> a 5v phone charger
[12:29] <Moonlit> spike__ - what's the mA output?
[12:29] <ebswift> and a powered hub spike?
[12:30] <reider59> Visual Basic is good to fool with. I used VB8 a lot in the past.
[12:30] <spike__> at present I have only the phone charger.. I'm browsing amazon for a usb hub.. not got one in the house
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[12:31] <Moonlit> I'm guessing it's somewhere between 500mA and 1A, you're probably gonna be pushing it a bit trying to power the Pi with a USB stick in the USB port if it's on the lower end of that
[12:31] <Moonlit> especially if it's below 700mA
[12:31] <spike__> ok
[12:31] <spike__> i'll check the label
[12:31] <Moonlit> so under heavy load {like during boot}, it's probably gonna cack itself
[12:33] <spike__> blimey this writing is small *squints*
[12:33] <Moonlit> lol
[12:34] <spike__> aah 1.0A
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[12:34] <Moonlit> that should cover it, as long as it's doing what it says it does
[12:34] <spike__> thats a 1000ma..i guess.. bare with me I'm thick
[12:34] <Moonlit> aye, that's it
[12:35] <Moonlit> and I wouldn't worry about being thick, it's all good, that's what IRC's for :P
[12:35] <spike__> thats why I'm here :)
[12:36] <ebswift> i'm not entirely sure how it works, but the usb port power is piddly, so depends on the device getting plugged in as opposed to the amps you are putting in
[12:36] <ebswift> i was worried my wifi issues (in the hub) were related to power, but thankfully not
[12:36] <spike__> i've got a few usb sticks, I'm gonna trial a few
[12:37] <Moonlit> ebswift - yeah, I was just wondering if the Pi itself was getting enough juice though, if it was trying to run on 500mA, even trying to draw an extra few mA from the USB port might cause problems
[12:37] <spike__> 'tis exciting ;p
[12:37] <rasp8aa> the uab ports have 140mA polyfuses
[12:37] <rasp8aa> usb*
[12:37] <Arch-Cloud> hurray!!! wireless!!
[12:37] <Moonlit> congrats :P
[12:37] <Arch-Cloud> man linux is like irc...time sink
[12:38] <Moonlit> Linux and I have this understanding - it doesn't bother me if I don't bother it, unless absolutely necessary
[12:38] <Arch-Cloud> heh
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[12:38] <spike__> i was very proud of myself last night, i got my android phone to work as a raspbmc remote. blew my socks clean off
[12:38] <Moonlit> it definitely has its uses, but it doesn't necessarily behave
[12:39] <Moonlit> lol spike__, good job
[12:39] <oldman> Does raspberry pi only support 2 video codecs? Even when using xbmc?
[12:39] <Arch-Cloud> awwwwww now its not working
[12:39] <Arch-Cloud> well crap
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[12:40] <SpeedEvil> oldman: hardware accellerated video is sharply limited in what codecs can be done.
[12:40] <Moonlit> oldman - software based codecs should work, as long as you're not trying to shove high bitrate videos into it, but... what SpeedEvil said
[12:40] <reider59> I have the Android Phone Remote installed, it's dead cool!
[12:40] <spike__> oldman , I tried a few videos, most work apart from vobs/mpeg2
[12:41] <spike__> mp4, divx and mkv work fine for me
[12:41] <oldman> spike_: Most of my vids are mpeg2. I will have to re-encode them.
[12:41] <spike__> aah
[12:42] <Moonlit> yeah, I guess it'd probably struggle to play straight DVD rips, I remember Pentium IIs/low end Pentium IIIs having a hard enough time without an MPEG2 card
[12:42] <oldman> OK thanks.
[12:42] <spike__> i'm amazed how good the mp4 support is, very cool
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[12:42] <Ben64> mp4 is a container : /
[12:43] <spike__> yeah
[12:43] <spike__> i presume they are h264 video and aac audio?
[12:43] <Moonlit> could be anything in there
[12:43] <Moonlit> depends on the file
[12:44] <Ben64> yep
[12:44] <spike__> they work anyhow, so i'm a happy bunny
[12:44] <Moonlit> that's all that matters really
[12:44] <Ben64> theres no such thing as avi, mkv, mp4 support
[12:44] <spike__> i guess i could use gspot to check what the full skinny is on the codecs used
[12:45] <Moonlit> aye
[12:45] <Ben64> but yeah, the pi plays almost every x264 i've thrown at it
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[12:46] <spike__> they look and sound brill, amazing considering the size of the device, aahh the march of tech..*swoon*..
[12:46] <Ben64> do you use a receiver that can do surround
[12:46] <Ben64> the audio passthrough is great
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[12:46] <spike__> wow
[12:47] <spike__> didn't know that, i just have a standard flat screen telly
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[12:47] <Ben64> aw
[12:47] <Ben64> you should totally get a receiver
[12:47] <spike__> any recommendations?
[12:47] <Ben64> nothing better than playing 1080p with full 5.1 audio
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[12:48] <Ben64> I have the YAMAHA RX-V37
[12:48] <Moonlit> well, I guess 7.1 would be slightly better :P
[12:48] <Ben64> its not being made anymore, got it for cheap
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[12:48] <Ben64> Moonlit: :(
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[12:48] * Moonlit coughs
[12:48] <Ben64> i already used up my spool of wire for 5.1
[12:48] <Moonlit> slightly better, but unnecessarily extravagant? :P
[12:49] <spike__> yeah, my friend down the road has all the kit, saving private ryan was awesome on his setup.. like being at the cinema.. but with beer
[12:49] <Moonlit> some cinemas sell beer actually, but I've never felt strong enough to check the prices, I'd never make it into the film, I'd pass out from the shock
[12:49] <Ben64> some fancy ones serve wine too
[12:50] <Moonlit> ooh, posh
[12:50] <spike__> blimey
[12:51] <spike__> my local mplex is very exspensive.. for eats and pop
[12:51] <reider59> When I bought my 42" plasma TV (sold it and got a new LCD one now) I saw a Grundig 5.1 surround system with built in radio as part of the offer. Currys told me that was on offer when the TV was ??400 more. I argued the case n told them I had it in writing (downloaded and printed the offer quick). I spoke to the manager and finally got the offer. They were still on sale at ??200 each. So I kept that with the new TV and sold
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[12:53] <Moonlit> I haven't even got a telly any more, I just use my PC
[12:53] <reider59> The grundig is really load up to max and neighboors say it vibrates the whole block. I rarely do this but if someone passes in a car with music blaring I do sometimes put it on just to wind them up and dround them out
[12:53] <Moonlit> load of old tosh on the box anyway
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[12:53] <reider59> *loud not load
[12:53] <Moonlit> except of course the new Red Dwarf due in Sep/Oct :D
[12:54] <Gadgetoid> derp, monged my Pi with USB devices again :D
[12:54] <Gadgetoid> shiftout: http://www.gadgetoid.com/rpi/pi-shiftout.jpg
[12:54] <spike__> moonlit: true.. i rarely watch "normal" nowadays
[12:54] <spike__> love the iplayer
[12:55] <reider59> I have a European satellite dish on a motor so a few thousand channels to choose from on 13 satellites. Always something to watch. But Bahn TV is a regular.
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[12:55] <Moonlit> iPlayer's good, but there seems to be less and less decent stuff on it
[12:55] <Moonlit> budget cuts, I s'posoe
[12:55] <Moonlit> *s'pose
[12:55] <spike__> yup
[12:55] <reider59> motor was only ??50
[12:55] <Moonlit> it's all rubbish, repeats, or repeats of rubbish
[12:55] <spike__> not as many good docs, i guess its the summer season
[12:55] <spike__> some good stuff due in the autumn
[12:56] <spike__> brian cox and dr jim wotshisface
[12:56] <reider59> sky is repeats and rubbish, that`s why I never use it-that's at the front of the house. I use the European dish at the back of the house
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[12:56] <Moonlit> spike__ - ...Bowen? :P
[12:56] <spike__> lol
[12:57] <Moonlit> aye reider59
[12:57] <spike__> can't beat abit of bully ona sunday
[12:57] <Moonlit> lol
[12:57] <Moonlit> I haven't seen Bullseye in yonks
[12:57] <Moonlit> must be well over a decade
[12:57] <spike__> lets see what you would have won.. a speed boat
[12:58] <Moonlit> always wondered where you'd stash a prize like that
[12:58] <Moonlit> can't exactly put it in the shed
[12:58] <spike__> spes if you live in a high rise block of flats
[12:58] <Moonlit> lol
[12:58] <Arch-Cloud> anyone know how to turn on the console messages? my wifi keeps cutting out and i want to see why
[12:58] <Moonlit> have to rent a garage I guess
[12:58] <spike__> aye
[12:59] <Moonlit> Arch-Cloud - maybe try dmesg?
[13:00] <Arch-Cloud> yeah first place i looked
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[13:00] <spike__> found a great command to see if you usb stick is working.. forgive me linux dudes.. df -h it lists all your drives and space left..v useful
[13:01] <Moonlit> Arch-Cloud - tried lsusb when it drops out to see if it's still "there"?
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[13:01] <Arch-Cloud> Moonlit: ok
[13:01] <ebswift> Gadgetoid, that looks... challenging
[13:02] <Ben64> Moonlit: new red dwarf?
[13:02] <Arch-Cloud> Moonlit: yeah it died and still listed in the lsusb
[13:02] <ebswift> Ben64, i was kindof thinking the same thing...
[13:02] <Moonlit> Ben64 - aye, on Dave in a few months, around September/October-ish
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[13:02] <Moonlit> 6 part series
[13:02] <Moonlit> original cast
[13:02] <Ben64> O_o
[13:03] <Moonlit> they filmed it Dec/Jan just gone
[13:03] <Moonlit> almost went to see it, but would've been a pain to get there
[13:03] <Moonlit> plus tickets were like gold dust
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[13:04] <Ben64> that was one of my favorite shows
[13:04] <Moonlit> yeah, wasn't that keen on the 3-parter on Dave a few years back though
[13:04] <Moonlit> was too much like a modern movie, but sliced up into 3 bits
[13:04] <Ben64> i really liked the it crowd as well
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, is there any space left on that breadboard!?!
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[13:05] <Moonlit> yeah, there was supposed to be a sort of finale/farewell special of IT Crowd, but I haven't heard anything about that for months
[13:05] <Moonlit> so I dunno if that's still happening or not
[13:05] <ebswift> been waiting for that too Moonlit
[13:05] <Ben64> yeah
[13:06] <Ben64> too bad the american version sucked
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, the ATmega is missing...
[13:06] <Moonlit> American copies of British sitcoms usually do... I can't believe they're trying to make a US version of Only Fools
[13:06] <ter0_> fsck! I have destroyed my raspberry pi
[13:06] <ter0_> :(
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[13:06] <Moonlit> there's so much wrong with that concept it's not even funny
[13:06] <Ben64> the office worked for a long time
[13:06] <Moonlit> ter0 - that's not good... what'd you do?
[13:06] <Ben64> i hear it's not that good anymore
[13:07] <ebswift> how'd you manage that ter0??
[13:07] <ter0_> Moonlit it was on and it fall on some metal casing exatly on gpio pins
[13:07] <Moonlit> ouch :(
[13:08] <reider59> <<<< breadboard/electronics noobie so bear that in mind....Read about an experiment and it showed how to wire the breadboard. But the example showed a breadboard with a,b.c etc from the Pi toward me and mine was reversed. Oh dear I must have stuck it on wrong way around. So I carefully prized the lid off, looked at it and realised I could reverse all the metal connectors top to bottom. It took ages and the first two attempts
[13:09] <spike__> i have mine teetering on top of my printer at present. I guess i should move it
[13:09] <reider59> of adjustments later and it was done. Next experiment showed the board the same way as I had it prevously D`oh!
[13:09] <Ben64> should really make a case for it
[13:09] <spike__> i didn't know you could kill it from contact from the pins
[13:09] <Ben64> http://2.ben64.com/rpi/case/4.jpg
[13:09] <Ben64> legos work well
[13:09] <ReggieUK> of course you can
[13:10] <Moonlit> you can kill any exposed electronics if you drop metal things on them
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> if you connect the 5V pin to a 3.3g pin there is a good chance of destruction of that pin if not the whole Pi...
[13:10] <ReggieUK> anywhere that is metal on the pi is a potential source for killing it
[13:10] <spike__> Ben64: love the hinged door, very cool
[13:10] <ReggieUK> probably slight over exaggeration but the point is clear
[13:10] <Ben64> it might be repairable
[13:10] <spike__> lego should do a basic kit, they would sell loads
[13:11] <ReggieUK> how metal was this case?
[13:11] <Moonlit> ter0 - any visible signs of burnt components? bad smell? smoke?
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[13:11] <ReggieUK> bare metal or painted?
[13:11] <Ben64> could make one on http://lego.cuusoo.com/
[13:12] <spike__> just need 10k supporters :)
[13:13] <ter0_> Moonlit no
[13:13] <ter0_> when I plug in the power
[13:13] <spike__> i'll put it on my things to do list. gotta check these usb devices first
[13:13] <ter0_> nothng happens
[13:13] <ter0_> not even led turns on
[13:13] <Ben64> :S
[13:13] <Ben64> do you get 5v on the test points on the board?
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[13:14] <spike__> i feel for u ter0 :(
[13:14] <ReggieUK> might be worth measuring the polyfuses
[13:14] <ReggieUK> perhaps they got tripped when it sucked pwoer in
[13:15] <Ben64> ReggieUK: does the resistance of those just go up?
[13:15] <moopy> I have problem with apt-get, I have added source in /etc/apt/sources.list but seems apt-get is not using it>????
[13:15] <rasp8aa> shouldnt the polyfuses reset after a minute?
[13:15] <Moonlit> yeah, Ben64, very very high
[13:15] <ter0_> yes I have read about those polyfuses... I will leave my pi for a day
[13:15] <ter0_> and try to turn it on tommorow
[13:15] <Moonlit> good luck
[13:16] <moopy> anyone know anything about apt-get on the wheezy beta??
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[13:17] <Moonlit> I know a little bit about apt-get in general
[13:17] <Moonlit> fire away
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[13:17] <Moonlit> if I can't help, someone else might
[13:17] <moopy> check my original question??
[13:17] <spike__> would an old ide cable connector shield the pins? looking for some quick protection in my dusty tech cupboard
[13:17] <Moonlit> oh, sorry, missed that
[13:17] <moopy> <+moopy> I have problem with apt-get, I have added source in /etc/apt/sources.list but seems apt-get is not using it>????
[13:17] <Ben64> you need to do `apt-get update`
[13:17] <Moonlit> ^
[13:18] <moopy> aaahhh, I should have rtfm :D
[13:18] <Gadgetoid> spike__: Apparently floppy connectors work
[13:18] <Moonlit> spike__ - the underside of the board is equally vulnerable, should really use a case, but you could do that
[13:18] <moopy> I will try that ben64, thanks
[13:18] <Moonlit> or blu-tack :P
[13:19] <spike__> nice one, i'll look for a floppy one.. oer missus
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[13:19] <ebswift> moopy, if it shows any errors at the end, keep retrying periodically... i found the update bit to be totally unreliable
[13:19] <Gadgetoid> I think hard drive ones are keyed, long time since I've touched one!
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[13:20] <spike__> found a floppy, now for the cutters!
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[13:21] <ReggieUK> Ben64, of course it does
[13:21] <ReggieUK> it goes up to the point of tripping then there is infinite resistance
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[13:21] <ReggieUK> then it will try and recover after that
[13:21] <Gadgetoid> spike__: Just pry apart the connector?
[13:21] <ReggieUK> by cooling
[13:22] <Draylor> ebswift: very late reply, but not wheezy. just the old/stable/whatever debian
[13:24] <ter0_> OMG!
[13:24] <Moonlit> it lives?
[13:24] <ter0_> my pi is working!
[13:24] <ter0_> lol
[13:24] <Moonlit> congrats
[13:24] <ReggieUK> lucky boy
[13:24] <ter0_> actually the power supply
[13:24] <ter0_> is dead
[13:24] <ReggieUK> you are male aren't you?
[13:24] <ter0_> not the pi
[13:24] <ebswift> Draylor, ok, i thought the sd fixes were all in wheezy
[13:24] <ter0_> lol yes i am male :D
[13:24] <ebswift> nice ter0
[13:25] <Draylor> nah, its kernel/firmware changes. rpi-update, reboot, win
[13:25] <ter0_> my phone charger is actually dead
[13:25] <ter0_> hmm
[13:25] <ter0_> :)
[13:25] * spike__ starts mexican wave *hooray ter0*
[13:25] <Moonlit> oh well, at least you get to cut the cable off
[13:25] <moopy> I just tried 'apt-get update' but still getting errors seems apt is only checking http.debian.net repo, not the new repo I added????
[13:25] <Moonlit> always handy to have spare bits of USB cable
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[13:28] <ebswift> moopy, with the beta, i found the default gives you everything you need for update providing it works (which it seems it does only periodically)
[13:28] <moopy> I have added the line 'deb http://cacing.vism.org wheezy main contrib non-free' to /etc/apt/sources.list
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[13:29] <ebswift> well, it can't hurt, depends on what it is you are trying to get from the updates i suppose
[13:29] <Moonlit> moopy - you sure you've got the right URL? I just checked that domain and it's parked
[13:29] <moopy> well I am trying to add packages which do not seem to be available on debian.net, apt-get gives a 404 error
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[13:31] <moopy> oooh, very strange?????? it is parked, but yesterday I made google search for packages that were 404 and google gave that address as a debian mirror???
[13:32] <Moonlit> pick another :P
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[13:37] <moopy> yes, back to searching google shows this link that works???? 'http://cacing.vlsm.org/pool/main/g/gettext/'
[13:37] <moopy> so the domain is not really parked????
[13:38] <Moonlit> huh, you're right
[13:38] <Moonlit> that's oddd
[13:38] <Moonlit> -d
[13:38] <moopy> ooops wait a minute
[13:38] <Moonlit> er
[13:38] <Moonlit> did you typo?
[13:38] <moopy> I think it must be my typographical error
[13:38] <Moonlit> vism vs vlsm
[13:38] <Moonlit> :P
[13:39] <moopy> duhhhhhh
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[13:42] <moopy> no its only typo in irc, I just checked sources.list and its correct
[13:42] <Moonlit> ahh
[13:43] <Moonlit> back to square one then :/
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[13:45] <Willl0u> Someone has tried to compile gngeo on the Pi ?
[13:45] <ReggieUK> Willl0u, SSilver2k2 did I think
[13:45] <spike__> it's amazing what you can find when looking for other stuff, just found a dusty iomega 500meg usb hard drive. forgot i had it. now I can transsfer all my media on it and use with raspbmc. cool beans
[13:46] <moopy> I just noticed when apt-get update I get error 'InRelease is expired (invalid since 20h 20min....). Updates for this repo will not be applied.' ?????
[13:46] <spike__> definitely need some more power outlets now
[13:46] <Moonlit> old school
[13:46] <Moonlit> I have a USB ZIP drive somewhere around here
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[13:47] <spike__> i was planning on getting a hig gig sd card but this will do for the time being
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[13:47] <Willl0u> Ok thanks
[13:48] <spike__> whilst i faff around configuring stuff
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[13:49] <Moonlit> moopy - have you set the time on your Pi?
[13:50] <moopy> ooooh, not thought of time, how do I do that, should it not contact a time server automatically??
[13:50] <moopy> date command shows correct date??
[13:51] <Moonlit> depends how the OS is configured as to whether it does it automatically
[13:51] <Moonlit> but: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-set-date-time-from-linux-command-prompt/
[13:51] <moopy> I have default system from the latest wheezy beta as download from the front page at raspberrypi.org
[13:52] <Moonlit> I don't have a Pi yet, so I dunno how that's set up
[13:52] <Moonlit> but try setting the time manually
[13:52] <moopy> if the date command shows corrct time and date then I would think it sets time automatically at boot if it has net connection??
[13:52] <Moonlit> yeah, if it already shows the right time/date, then it's probably not that
[13:53] <moopy> I got my pi on friday and its been nothing but problems all weekend :(
[13:53] <Moonlit> if it's not that, all I can think of is maybe try another repo
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[13:54] <Willl0u> a lot of errors during the compilation of gngeo for me :/
[13:54] <moopy> seems that git has problems and apt-get has problems, so I cannot get a working development environment :(
[13:54] <Willl0u> apt-get works fine for me
[13:55] <reider59> Don`t forget, though it's pretty good, Wheezy is still a beta. So it won`t be 100% yet
[13:56] <NiteSnow> moopy, What Debian image are you using?
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[13:57] <spike__> hmm, this usb drive doesn't work from boot, reconnect and it finds it straight away..
[13:58] <moopy> whatever was released as wheezy beta on the raspberrypi site lastweek, I am not certain as I loaded the image to another laptop that is not here right now
[13:58] <spike__> h264 work beautifully
[13:58] <rasp8aa> perhapa you could acript it to remount a min after boot
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[13:59] <spike__> rasp8aaa, i'm a novice at bash, would they be any tuts for acript?
[13:59] <rasp8aa> hmm
[13:59] <moopy> I am hoping maybe I have got it working now, I have removed all repos except ftp.debian.org
[14:00] <spike__> or a general resource
[14:00] <rasp8aa> you could use a crontab to start a script a min after boot
[14:01] <moopy> yes, looks better with ftp.debian.org as only repo, I am not getting all 404 now, but I have to wait to see if 1,200MB of additional files all download now :D
[14:02] <reider59> is this any good for the automount problem? http://linuxconfig.org/automatically-mount-usb-external-drive-with-autofs
[14:02] <moopy> maybe I will be back later when some vital package gives 404, thanks for the help everyone!
[14:03] <reider59> good luck moopy
[14:04] <spike__> cheers reider59. that looks just the fella. bookmarked
[14:04] <reider59> yw and hope you get it sorted
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[14:04] <spike__> *cracks knuckles* runs putty
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[14:16] <sjaak_trekhaak> The Pi supports x264 as wel as AVC up to level 4.1 right?
[14:17] <spike__> when i use mount -a, it doesn't mount the drive. the drive is present when i fdisk -l
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[14:18] <spike__> i tried mount /dev/sda but mount: can't find /dev/sda in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
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[14:19] <ReggieUK> spike__, dmesg and see where the device was enumerated to
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[14:24] <spike__> looking thru the dmesg output, lots of info
[14:25] <spike__> [ 6.782421] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 976773168 512-byte logical blocks: (500 GB/465 GiB)
[14:26] <spike__> is the first part the data i need? 6.782***
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[14:29] <ReggieUK> manually mount it
[14:29] <ReggieUK> the bit you need is the [sda] bit
[14:29] <spike__> ok,thanks
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[14:30] <ReggieUK> mount /dev/sda /somewhere/sensible
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[14:32] <spike__> so would mount /dev/sda /media/iomega be cool?
[14:32] <ReggieUK> not really
[14:32] <spike__> aah
[14:32] <ReggieUK> why would you want to mount a hdd on a cruddy iomega drive?
[14:32] <ReggieUK> if the iomega goes offline, then it'll take /dev/sda with unless I'm mistaken?
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[14:33] <spike__> its an iomega hdd that i'm trying to mount.. i may be miss reading your instructions
[14:34] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok, if it's the iomega that you're trying to mount then wht you've put should be fine
[14:34] <spike__> ok, cheers
[14:34] <ReggieUK> you might need to add some switches to tell it what the file system is but that will get you up and running or at least in the right direction
[14:34] <ReggieUK> if that doesn't work for you, you can try 'man mount' which will give you the mount help file
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[14:35] <ReggieUK> and looking up fstab or mtab tutorials on google will probably help in the long run
[14:35] <ReggieUK> are you using debian?
[14:35] <ReggieUK> or rasbian
[14:35] <ReggieUK> or something else
[14:36] <ReggieUK> if it's either of the first 2 then you can add debian as one of the search items when you look for tuts
[14:36] <spike__> i'm using the distro that comes with raspbmc
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[14:36] <ReggieUK> no idea what the underlying os is with raspbmc
[14:37] <Dyskette> Debian.
[14:37] <spike__> i'll check, thanks for the help anyway, dmesg is a v powerful command and will come in useful in future
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[14:37] <spike__> learning all the time :)
[14:38] <ReggieUK> dmesg| grep is good too
[14:38] <ReggieUK> and dmesg|more
[14:38] <ReggieUK> dmesg|less
[14:38] <Dyskette> less > more
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[14:41] <reider59> old moore?
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> right. lets see just how crappy my old camera is at videos...
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> Hm. pretty crappy.
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> it makes .mov files.
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[14:43] <gordonDrogon> although I guess youtube can cope with that..
[14:43] <reider59> I best get some jobs done and make dinner
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[14:47] <Moonlit> alrighty, passing out time
[14:47] <Moonlit> gave a good'un
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[14:47] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Mr YouTube, he say: We did not recognise the format of this file, but we will try to process it anyway.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> http://youtu.be/YXsoRdfZRLM
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> Seems to have worked OK though.
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[15:15] <gordonDrogon> anyone want to check some GPIO examples I've done - or at least tell me if there are any glaring boobs in my web pages ;-)
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[15:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: GPIO examples, eh?
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[15:16] <gordonDrogon> well - the first of many :)
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> actually the start page is really: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/
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[15:18] <ReggieUK> might be an idea to hint at what type of resistors would be useful to go with the leds on the first page
[15:18] <ReggieUK> ballpark even, 330-1k
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[15:19] <gordonDrogon> it's on the 2nd page and bother of botherations. the links are broken because I moved everything.
[15:19] <sjc_> Who wants to send me cupcakes?
[15:19] <ReggieUK> teensy schematic wouldn't go amiss either, just so people know exactly where they're at?
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[15:20] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, yes, I want to do that, but I've no idea what to use to draw it, other than by hand and photographing it..
[15:20] <ReggieUK> the schematic?
[15:20] <ReggieUK> knock one up in eagle
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> and my youtube video link sin't embedding.
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> eagle - I've heard of that. will look into it.
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> I actually wrote some CAD software some 25 years ago. Wish I still had it!
[15:21] <ReggieUK> eagle is pretty easy to pick up
[15:21] <ReggieUK> especially as you just want a schematic
[15:21] <ReggieUK> but drawing it by hand and photgraphing it is also fine
[15:21] <ReggieUK> seen loads of people do that
[15:22] <ReggieUK> especially for simple circuits
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> I gotta go out - we have a local fund day here today - and amazingly it's not raining. I suspect the river might be too fast flowing for the duck race though...
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> back in a couple of hours when I'll fix all the links...
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> later..
[15:22] <ReggieUK> cya
[15:24] <Gadgetoid> Video fail, forgot to set my pins to OUTPUT mode :D
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[15:27] <Gadgetoid> I probably need a simpler example!
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[15:51] <chaoshax> This is awesome
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[15:52] <grw_> anyone have any ideas why my tv doesnt detect rpi as cec device?
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[16:32] <Cheery> all right.
[16:33] <Cheery> the repository should contain some input stuff, protocol stuff, videosys, and opengl es stuff when done
[16:33] <Cheery> I wonder for a name
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[16:36] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: /win 27
[16:36] <Cheery> erm
[16:36] <Cheery> anyway. ideas?
[16:38] <rasp8aa> no
[16:40] <D-side> 27!
[16:40] <D-side> how does one manage 27!?
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> back from the small town "Fun Day" :)
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> the duck races are cancelled because the river is running too fast..
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> now ti fix my silly broken links )-:
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[16:53] <Mogwai> Does anyone have any luck getting DirectFB 1.6.0 to play nicely on the Pi? Both the fbdev and egl drivers are behaving very sketchy for me.
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[16:57] <gordonDrogon> I've been using SDL on the framebuffer directly... no idea how it compares to directfb, etc. though.
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[17:00] <Mogwai> Yeah, that's what I want to find out .. I was hoping to get accelerated graphics performance with the EGL driver in DirectFB .. then be able to put DirectFB-GTK etc on there
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[17:01] <Mogwai> In the recently released version of DirectFB I see a couple of #define RASPBERRY_PI in the source with references to bcm_host_init() etc, but I don't know if it's supposed to be stable and usable at this point
[17:03] <_inc> can someone explain this to me
[17:03] <_inc> http://pastebin.com/8zy8Af24
[17:03] <_inc> I'm trying to startx with dwm
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[17:05] <rasp8aa> I used my .bash_profile to start startx
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> _inc i've only ever used gdm to start X in recent years.
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> Mogwai, I doublt I can be much help there then - SDL just uses to 'raw' /dev/fb0 device...
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I thought Eagle was free for hobbyist use, Now they seem to want 140 euro blobs for it.
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[17:08] <MikeL> whats the pi config command?
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[17:09] <_inc> nao /boot/config.txt?
[17:09] <_inc> nano*
[17:10] <MikeL> nah the first boot config screen there was a command to bring it up
[17:10] <MikeL> for wheezy
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[17:11] <MikeL> Nevermind found it, it was raspi-config
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[17:14] <reider59> << downloading a Puppy pre Alpha to try out
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[17:18] <sjc_> reider59: puppies are for life, not just for Christmas ;)
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[17:19] <reider59> no, this one is only til the next better one comes along ;-)
[17:19] <reider59> I may keep the Pedigree PupPi
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[17:21] <WASDx> Just checked in the forums for the first time in months, looking really good :)
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[17:24] <rasp8aa> reider59: I never liked puppy
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[17:25] <rasp8aa> Although I found that it was cool that it could save your settings on a cd-rom live cd by just writing to the end each time
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[17:27] <reider59> I tried many versions but the best for me was a dual boot with windows. But on uninstall it left no mess behind and reverted to just starting Windows again.
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[17:28] <rasp8aa> the only ting puppy was ever good for was for sticking on antique laptops that couldn't run anything else
[17:29] <sjc_> mm
[17:29] <reider59> It`s probably dog rough just now but I`ll try it before I go for a siesta
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[17:31] <rasp8aa> gordonDrogon: Have you ever tried making a shooter sandwich?
[17:33] <dwatkins> haha, the Pi-Face: http://pi.cs.man.ac.uk/interface.htm
[17:34] <rasp7aa> that's a lot of subdomains
[17:34] <_inc> i want
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[17:37] <sjc_> rasp7aa: nah ... project.department (comp sci).man (manchester uni).ac (academic instutution).uk (united queendom) :P
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[17:37] <dwatkins> yeah, it is indeed - I wonder if the page is hosted from an RPi...
[17:37] <sjc_> doubtful
[17:38] <dwatkins> yeah, it's too fast ;)
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[17:38] <sjc_> Looks like it's all on gromit.cs.man.ac.uk
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> rasp8aa, what's a shooter sandwitch?
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[17:39] <sjc_> nice to see wallace there, too :P
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[17:40] <steveccc> is it normal to have slow file transfer via ftp from a pi to another machine
[17:41] <D-side> how slow is slow
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> lots to slow things down...
[17:41] <D-side> you're limited to the read speeds on the sd card
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> or the write speeds of the destination..
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> or the network, or ...
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> etc.
[17:41] <D-side> many, many variables
[17:42] <steveccc> it seems about 3mb a sec
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> m bits or bytes?
[17:42] <D-side> bytes, that's not so bad
[17:42] <steveccc> i am copying a 2gb iso image from it and its estimating 20mins to transfer a 2gb file
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> 3MBytes would be about right for a standard Pi with original kernel, etc. and slow SD card reads.
[17:42] <D-side> that's not unreasonable at all
[17:43] <D-side> what's the card's rating?
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> D-side, more to the point; what kernel version..
[17:43] <steveccc> as in class?
[17:43] <steveccc> 4
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> I now get 16MB/sec out of a class 4 SD card.
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> 20MB/sec out of the class 6 I have.
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[17:44] <steveccc> i bought this card a few weeks ago and as was going for a 32gb card I went for a class 4 as thought more likely to work
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[17:44] <steveccc> however maybe a 6 or 10 would have been a wiser choice
[17:44] <rasp8aa> gordonDrogon: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/gallery/2010/apr/07/how-to-make-shooters-sandwich#/?picture=360719874
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> no - it's the kernel driver that's the limiting thing right now.
[17:44] <steveccc> i want to setup a cron job up to copy from the pi to the usb stick nightly and then i wont have to wait for it
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> rasp8aa, Oh, I see - just a big Pie, really :)
[17:45] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/raspberrypi-multimedia
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> rasp8aa, but I've not made anything like that.
[17:45] <rasp8aa> gordonDrogon: no no, it's bread and steak and mushrooms squished together
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> rasp8aa, yea, a big bread pie :)
[17:46] <rasp8aa> gordonDrogon: with the final result, http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/3/22/1269272663404/Shooters-Sandwich-015.jpg
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> rasp8aa, does loog good though :)
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> I'm working on my ultimate raspberry pie recipie. will do a test cook this week.
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> the biggest issue is that technically speaking a pie has a lid... and mine won't.
[17:47] <rasp8aa> probably a couple thousand calories in a serving
[17:48] <rasp8aa> gordonDrogon: can't you do that cris-cross thing the americans do
[17:48] <rasp8aa> key lime pie doesn't have a lid
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> rasp8aa, yea, there are "excptions" - like pecan pie, etc.
[17:49] <D-side> rasp8aa: you made that shooter?
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> need to perfect raspberry flavored confectioners custard...
[17:49] <D-side> oh no
[17:50] <D-side> i've seen that pic before
[17:50] <rasp8aa> http://www.instructables.com/files/deriv/F0I/FPJO/FIHVM2M8/F0IFPJOFIHVM2M8.MEDIUM.jpg
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[17:50] <rasp8aa> D-side: nah, it's from a guardian gallery
[17:50] <cjbaird> I did the homemade pie thing as well... My crust wasn't thick/strong enough, and it was problematical cutting it up for servings.. :/
[17:51] <rasp8aa> cjbaird: that's easy to fix, just change the serving size to one pie
[17:51] <deebo> http://imgur.com/a/VJgJL
[17:51] <willl0u> someone tried gmenu2x on the pi ?
[17:52] <rasp8aa> deebo: yeah they get posted on reddit every couple of months
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> cjbaird, you need a good bread with a crusty base.
[17:52] <Cheery> I'm somewhat unhappy to the graphics stuff on raspberry pi
[17:52] <Cheery> it's a huge mess
[17:52] <rasp8aa> I would probably replace the mushrooms with something else if I made it
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, not a mess - just sub-optimal...
[17:53] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: no. it's a mess
[17:53] <D-side> once this NetworkManager wifi issue is sorted out in raspbmc i can test again
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, what are you trying to do that's getting into a mess?
[17:53] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: basic, simple things.
[17:53] <D-side> gordonDrogon: as far as crusty bread goes, a nice sourdough would be spectacular for that
[17:54] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: https://github.com/cheery/raspberrypi-multimedia
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> D-side, yup. and I make nice sourdough bread too :)
[17:54] <Cheery> just look up there.
[17:54] <Cheery> then look into build_oes or build_videosys
[17:54] <Cheery> then look into videosys-core.c
[17:54] <cjbaird> unnecessary pie pix :) https://imgur.com/wFbZC
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, thats a level of graphics beyond me... Does it work on another Linux box?
[17:55] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: it works on raspberry pi
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> cjbaird, just looks like a big jam tart to me ;-)
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[17:55] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, ok... so where does the mess come from?
[17:56] <cjbaird> Someone might uncharitably call it a "Raspberry Jam Pie" :P :)
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[17:56] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: there
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[17:56] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: there's no clear api visible
[17:56] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: and it's a mush of everything you have to include and import
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[17:57] <_inc> and that serves me right for launching x
[17:57] <rasp8aa> _inc: huh
[17:58] <_inc> had to pull the plug, nothin was responding
[17:58] <_inc> launched xfce4 and netsurf and that was the end
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[17:59] <gooseberry> is netsurf better than midori?
[18:00] <Terranigma> netsurf is about as tolerable it can go browsing on a pi
[18:00] <Terranigma> its speedier
[18:00] <Terranigma> midori just so slow
[18:00] <gooseberry> crap name though
[18:00] <Dyskette> links2 with -g :P
[18:00] <steveccc> guys - i have a powersupply rated at 1 or 1.5 A - however the pi is not cable of accessing a usb stick via its own ports without read errors - I suspect lack of power. do you think a power supply from farnell (the british supplier of the pi) would be any better / worth trying or do you just think its one of those things and wait for powered hub
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[18:00] <Terranigma> servicable if u just visit certain forums and sites, and dont expect java to work :P
[18:01] <gooseberry> steveccc: It doesn't matter how much power you chuck at the pi, the usb ports will only give out ~100mA
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, ah ok. but isn't this the same for any other Linux system?
[18:01] <gooseberry> Terranigma: I didn't think we had java yet.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> _inc maybe the ethernet is stalling on you?
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> _inc there are some hacks to the cmdline.txt and /etc/sysctl.conf you might want to try if not already...
[18:02] <gooseberry> hacks?
[18:02] <D-side> i'm not giving up on the wireless.
[18:02] <D-side> I'M NOT.
[18:02] <D-side> (?????????????????? ????????????
[18:02] <steveccc> gooseberry - maybe i didnt realise how much power a usb stick would pull
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> gooseberry, well - parameters you can change.
[18:02] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: this is.. mostly
[18:03] <gooseberry> steveccc: try it with an external powered hub
[18:03] <gooseberry> steveccc: the pi won't draw more than 700mA from the power supply anyway
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> e.g. adding in smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N to /boot/cmdline.txt and/or vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288 to /etc/sysctl.conf
[18:04] <steveccc> gooseberry: i have a trust hub that doesnt make any difference but ordered one off the net which is on the recommended list
[18:06] <cjbaird> Something I need to so is find some liquid-paper, and coat the always-on LEDs (FDX, 10M, PWR) so that the other 'useful' LEDs are more noticable..
[18:06] <ReggieUK> bit of electrical tape will do too
[18:07] <bnmorgan> dside, would you like to borrow a valium?
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[18:07] <gooseberry> cjbaird: yeah cut out a teeny little square of black electrical tape, that way you can peel it off if you change your mind
[18:07] <Cheery> I wonder one thing rpi
[18:08] <Cheery> why didn't they hook the connectors upwards?
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[18:08] <gordonDrogon> you'd think they might have put the power LED next to the power socket too...
[18:08] <bnmorgan> easier for lightpipes in case designs if they're all together
[18:09] <gooseberry> bnmorgan: no it isn't, because they bleed
[18:09] <bnmorgan> connectors...meh, who knows.
[18:09] <ReggieUK> you'd have thought that they'd have added a blue one in and left it accessible so there's an rgb thing to play with :D
[18:09] <bnmorgan> not if designed properly.
[18:09] <_inc> gordonDrogon: vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288 was just the ticket
[18:09] <bnmorgan> most lightpipes are poorly made.
[18:09] <_inc> thanks
[18:09] <gooseberry> ReggieUK: that's what the gpio is for
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[18:11] <gooseberry> http://www.geektopia.es/apps/websites/geek/images/posts/2012/06/thermal_raspberrypi.png
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[18:11] <Cheery> the USB chip runs hotter than raspi?
[18:12] <Gadgetoid> The hell!
[18:12] <gooseberry> http://www.geektopia.es/apps/websites/geek/images/posts/2012/06/thermal_raspberrypi_idle.png
[18:12] <Cheery> that another hot thing seems to be a regulator right?
[18:12] <bnmorgan> guess it depends on what you're doing
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[18:12] <gooseberry> that one is labeled
[18:13] <Gadgetoid> So, it's settled... seal your Pi in sugru for ultimate protection, but make sure you glue a heatsink to the USB and voltage reg :D
[18:13] <bnmorgan> liquid cool rpi
[18:13] <gooseberry> the blog post is here, http://www.geektopia.es/es/technology/2012/06/22/articulos/se-calienta-el-ordenador-raspberry-pi-estudio-de-sus-temperaturas-en-funcionamiento.html
[18:13] <gooseberry> I dunno why the guy likes the really long urls though
[18:14] <cjbaird> Using a non-contact thermometer now, I get 40.4C for the cpu/ram, and 45.8C for the usb controller
[18:14] <Terranigma> chips gettign the hottest, who would have thunk!\
[18:14] <Cheery> usb is one clusterf***
[18:15] <gooseberry> Terranigma: Well me with no technical knowledge, would have thought the soc would be hottest
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> _inc good-oh!
[18:15] <ReggieUK> Cheery, self censorship not appreciated!
[18:15] <bnmorgan> right, call it a congress
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[18:16] <gooseberry> yeah but congress get bribes
[18:16] <gooseberry> we don't
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> the SoC is designed to work when hot - so is the USB chip. The USB chip is probably not as power efficient as the SoC though as it's unlikely to get one in a mobile device.
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> anyone want to cast their eyes over my GPIO exepriments page again? https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> feedback welcome...
[18:18] <gooseberry> gordonDrogon: the guy says in his summary that he believes in the SoC that the card acts as a heatsink where it doesn't so much with the usb chip
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> gooseberry, it's possible, but it is designed to work hot - up to 70C or so IIRC.
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> I've had Atoms close to their limit of about 95C.
[18:19] <gooseberry> my intel duo would shut itself down after it went over 100 or so :(
[18:19] <ReggieUK> don't forget the smsc chip is being thrashed 8000 x a second idling
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[18:19] <gordonDrogon> gooseberry, yea, somehow that doesn't surprise me ;-)
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[18:20] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, it's not the 8K/sec that's the issue, it will be the internal clocks running at MHz... more clocks means more switching means more current sucked...
[18:20] <gooseberry> gordonDrogon: My fan had broken at the time, :(. And these laptop fans are a pain in the ass to get to. I ended up fixing it by prodding it with a penknife
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> gooseberry, :)
[18:21] <Draylor> :)
[18:21] <gooseberry> :(
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[18:21] <Draylor> it'll only get worse, cant imagine the insides of these tiny laptops are fun to work on
[18:21] <ReggieUK> ahh, I thought that would be causing issues
[18:22] <ReggieUK> it's a 50Mhz clock on the smsc isn't it?
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[18:22] <ReggieUK> at least that's what the crystal says it is
[18:22] <gooseberry> Isn't half of the writing printed on the pi wrong?
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[18:23] <ReggieUK> no
[18:23] <markus_> if i order a raspberry pi today, when can i expect it? is there an estimate?
[18:23] <ReggieUK> it's only the 10/100 link light
[18:23] <gooseberry> markus_: christmas
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[18:24] <nelson> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads links to http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/absolute-beginners which doesn't exist and redirects you silently to the home page.
[18:24] <ReggieUK> maybe a couple of months markus_ but don't quote me on that
[18:24] <gooseberry> you can quote me if you want
[18:24] <markus_> i'll get mine in juli
[18:25] <Gadgetoid> Ta daaaa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDseiKsStqI
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, not sure of the external clock, but there will be multiplies - PLL's internally to generate the clocks required for the Ethernet (100Mb/sec remember) and USB - 480Mb/sec)
[18:26] <Draylor> lol, nerdtastic :D
[18:26] <ReggieUK> indeed gordonDrogon
[18:26] <gooseberry> Gadgetoid: I think your clock is broken
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, neat!
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> all that olde-fashioned "text" on a 7-segment display :)
[18:27] <Plizzo> Hi! I'm mounting an NTFS-drive through fstab to /home/pi/Storage/, but the drive is being mounted as root, although pi owns the folder
[18:27] <Tenchworks> looking at that thermo image reminds me of an image posted here last nite https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-uM6X-HXWIDI/T-YEU3h63RI/AAAAAAAAK9E/1txOHkekroQ/s800/2012-06-23_10-57-20_823.jpg
[18:27] <Gadgetoid> Yeah... you could almost call it "text"
[18:27] <Plizzo> And I cant modify the owner and permissions once it's mounted
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> I had a bunch of 12 seg displays once... Didn't find them last time I looked, so must have been in one of the "lost" boxes when I've moved over the years )-:
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[18:28] <Gadgetoid> I definitely need to make the jump to something less lame :D
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> right. time to tear down the breadboard and move onto project 2...
[18:29] <gooseberry> how can you loose a box?
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[18:29] <gordonDrogon> moved in a hurry.... many times ... things just went missing )-:
[18:29] <Gadgetoid> wife did it.
[18:29] <gooseberry> escaping the law?
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> no, my parents the first time.
[18:29] <Plizzo> When you mount a drive with fstab, how can you prevent it from being mounted with root as owner?
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> user=,group=
[18:30] <Gadgetoid> If she could get away with it, my wife would pile my boxes of crap up and set fire to them I suspect
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> usually.
[18:30] <Gadgetoid> Or something less drastic, given the environmental impact that burning all that nasty plastic could have
[18:30] <Gadgetoid> Although the bulk of my junk seems to be iPad cases and mains adaptors
[18:30] <Draylor> let the crazies look after the environment, saves teh rest of us the hassle
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[18:32] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, ah, uid=,gid= ... if supported.
[18:32] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, chocolate brownies are a bit like mousse
[18:32] <Draylor> 'cept american
[18:32] <Plizzo> gordonDrogon: Where can I see which options are supported, there doesn't seem to be any documentation
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> project 2 is a game. A game I built totally in hardware with a couple of 555's and 10 LEDs (I think) when I was younger :)
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, man mount (if the man pages are supported)
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[18:33] <Gadgetoid> I have no 555s, waaah
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, so /etc/fstab might have: /dev/sda1 /home/pi/Storage ntfs uid=1000,gid=1000,user 0 0
[18:34] <Plizzo> why 1000?
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, maybe add noauto to the options too
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> 1000 is whatever the if of pi is.
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> *id
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[18:34] <Plizzo> But I want the drive to auto-mount so I should set it to auto
[18:34] <Plizzo> And how to I find the ID?
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> login as pi and type id to see the numbers.
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, IMO automounting a removable device is not a good idea. one day you'll boot the Pi with it removed...
[18:35] <Plizzo> gordonDrogon: Alright :)
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, but if you want it mounted at boot time via fstab, then just drop the noauto
[18:36] <Plizzo> According to man you can enter group as an option
[18:36] <wcarson> anybody know of a raspberry pi case that reroutes the ports, so they're all on the same side?
[18:36] <Plizzo> and also owner
[18:36] <Plizzo> and user
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[18:37] <Plizzo> gordonDrogon: so I should do something like user=pi,group=pi,owner=pi,noauto?
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, I think you need to use numbers, but I'm not sure.
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[18:37] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, and it's uid=x,gid=Y ...
[18:37] <Plizzo> Okay, but why does the manpage say group?
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> although if you have noauto,user, then it should be mounted as the user who mounts it.
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> uid=value, gid=value and umask=value
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> Set the file permission on the filesystem. The umask value is
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> given in octal. By default, the files are owned by root and not
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> readable by somebody else.
[18:38] <Plizzo> yes, but mount -a can only be run through sudo which means root will start it
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> fro my man page in the NTFS section.
[18:38] <djazz> how can I install the ralink driver for my D-Link DWA-140 (B3)?
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, the 'user' option means that an ordinary user can mount it.
[18:38] <djazz> all i read is that it is enabled by default
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[18:39] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, so boot the pi, login, then as pi, type mount /home/pi/Storage
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[18:39] <gordonDrogon> I use that to mount my camera, phones, etc.
[18:39] <Plizzo> gordonDrogon, then there is no need for me to use fstab?
[18:40] <Plizzo> or I set it through there and mount manually?
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, you need to use fstab if you want to mount it as a user and not root.
[18:40] <Plizzo> aha
[18:40] <Plizzo> haha, how to exit manpage?
[18:40] <djazz> when trying to compile the driver i get make: *** /lib/modules/3.1.9+/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> q
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> e.g. I have this in my /etc/fstab: /dev/sdd1 /camera vfat defaults,user,noauto 0 0
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[18:41] <sambenj> Gadgetoid: I don't suppose you're doing a write up on that circuit? :D
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> so I plug in my camera and I can then mount it without sudo, etc.
[18:41] <Gadgetoid> sambenj: I could try to, will see if I can come up with a schematic
[18:41] <Gadgetoid> It's the "right" way of sourcing and sinking current, I believe
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> I've just battled with eagle to produce a circuit with one LED and one resistor...
[18:41] <sambenj> Gadgetoid: I would be very interested!
[18:42] <sambenj> I've just bought a 7 segment and trying to work out the best way to play with it :)
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[18:43] <Plizzo> gordonDrogon: http://pastebin.com/5G8bav9y
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[18:44] <Draylor> if the external is primarily for the pi you may not want to use ntfs
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, I suggest get googling then. I have no devices with ntfs on them.
[18:44] <Plizzo> gordonDrogon: /dev/sda2 /home/pi/Storage ntfs noauto,user,sync 0 0
[18:44] <Plizzo> Okay
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> that looks right though.
[18:45] <Draylor> for me it was using way too much CPU, ultimately restricting transfer speeds far too low for comfort
[18:45] <Plizzo> Okay, thanks
[18:45] <ReggieUK> you could always try sudo mount blah blah blah
[18:46] <ReggieUK> that would get over the permissions issue
[18:46] <ReggieUK> or theres probably a group you can add your user to that will give you the relevant permissions
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[18:48] <Gadgetoid> sambenj: ahhh, you *can* use a low duty cycle with the 7-seg displays, allegedly, but do risk blowing something up :D
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[18:54] <sambenj> Gadgetoid: I don't know what that means :)
[18:54] <Compy> So whats the uptime on you guys' raspi? :P
[18:54] <Draylor> was 10days, then rebooted for firmware/kernel
[18:54] <Compy> Draylor: What image are you running?
[18:55] <Draylor> the plain standard deb image, with updated odds n ends
[18:55] <Compy> yeah same here. I think I'm going to turn it into an IRC server.
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> Hm. off to see the Hitchhikers Guide stage play thing tonight - anyone seen it?
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[18:56] <djazz> help with wifi anyone?
[18:57] <djazz> DWA-140 rev.B3 doesnt seems to work
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> djazz, get a separate wi-fi clients bridge and connect it to the Pi via Ethernet. That's my suggestion.
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[18:57] <djazz> :P
[18:57] <_inc> :(
[18:57] <djazz> lsusb says: ID 2001:3c15 D-Link Corp.
[18:58] <_inc> bit having fun with x at all. all i want is DWM :(
[18:58] <_inc> not having fun *
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> DWM?
[18:59] <_inc> gordonDrogon: http://dwm.suckless.org/
[18:59] <djazz> I need the rt5370sta module, but it dont exist
[18:59] <djazz> sudo modprobe rt5370sta -> FATAL: Module rt5370sta not found.
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> _inc sudo apt-get install dwm
[19:01] <Plizzo> gordonDrogon: I'm getting closer to getting it to work, but now I get this
[19:01] <Plizzo> ntfs-3g-mount: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied
[19:02] <Draylor> add user to group fuse
[19:02] <Plizzo> Draylor: I just did, but I'll try
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[19:02] <_inc> gordonDrogon: wish it were just that. dwm attempts launch and x complains http://pastebin.com/R8iRU0Dh
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[19:02] <djazz> should i try ndiswrapper? :P
[19:02] <_inc> reverts to next on list
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> Ndiswrapper will never work
[19:03] <Plizzo> Draylor: My user is in the group, but it still does not work
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> ndiswrapper relies on the driver code being binary compatible.
[19:03] <djazz> ah, probably 32 bit
[19:03] <djazz> :P
[19:03] <djazz> wont work on arm
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> No, x86
[19:04] <djazz> yea
[19:04] <djazz> ..
[19:04] <djazz> how to build kernel modules?
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> _inc, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8448&p=101262
[19:04] <djazz> the build fails
[19:04] <djazz> when "make"ing
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> Plizzo, logoug & login if you've just added user to the group.
[19:05] <djazz> how can i install linux-headers?
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[19:05] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install linux-headers
[19:05] <djazz> gordonDrogon: -.-, for my kernel
[19:05] <Plizzo> gordonDrogon: I'm connected through SSH, and I just ran logout
[19:05] <djazz> version
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[19:05] <sambenj> linux-headers-generic
[19:06] <djazz> gordonDrogon: only 3.2.0 are available
[19:06] <djazz> sambenj: no such package
[19:06] <Plizzo> gordonDrogon: I also logged back on, but it did not work
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[19:06] <djazz> the error when building is "/lib/modules/3.1.9+/build: No such file or directory"
[19:06] <djazz> using Wheezy
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> djazz, hm. well, not sure. I built my own kernel...
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> djazz, can't help you with wheezy. I run debian stable.
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[19:07] <sambenj> djazz: they should be backwards compatible
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> although I do run raspbian which is wheeze.
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[19:08] <sambenj> djazz: actually they're backwards compatible, not forwards
[19:08] <djazz> gordonDragon, sambenj: what should I pick? http://pastebin.com/UDTigZx8
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[19:10] <nidO> djazz, what does uname -r return
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> djazz, no idea.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> and i'm off out to see Hitchhikers!
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> laters..
[19:10] <djazz> nidO: "3.1.9+"
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[19:14] <djazz> the debian wiki says that module rt2800usb loads "RT5370", but it don't seem to work
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[19:15] <SpeedEvil> Check youre device works on a regular system, and verify what module is loaded
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[19:15] <SpeedEvil> and look at any syslog/dmesg output
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[19:17] <djazz> SpeedEvil: it doesnt work on my ubuntu laptop either
[19:17] <djazz> hm
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[19:19] <sambenj> djazz: what's the output of lsmod | grep rt ?
[19:22] <djazz> sambenj: empty
[19:23] <djazz> i can do "sudo modprobe rt2800usb" then i get output
[19:24] <sambenj> what output?
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[19:25] <djazz> sambenj: http://pastebin.com/UPJCiGAT
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[19:29] <sambenj> hmm, any info in the logs?
[19:30] <djazz> sambenj: dmesg?
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[19:31] <djazz> nothing very interesting, just idVendor=2001, idProduct=3c15
[19:32] <sambenj> cd /var/logs
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[19:32] <sambenj> grep rt2 *
[19:32] <sambenj> /var/log even
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[19:34] <djazz> hm?
[19:34] <sambenj> type the above commands
[19:35] <sambenj> is there any output that looks related?
[19:35] <djazz> no
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[19:36] <Cheery> I know ppl can do lot of things through pygame.. but I sort of feel disappointed to how complicated it goes immediately when the pygame is removed
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[19:37] <ReggieUK> how do you mean complicated when pygame is removed?
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[19:38] <Cheery> well consider you'd start with gcc, and the goal would be to write a game without SDL on raspy.
[19:38] <Cheery> now you'd start by looking at the hello_pi examples
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[19:39] <Cheery> bunch of file includes and lots of libraries to link
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[19:44] <Cheery> I'm quite sure nothing can be done for it in just two months
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[19:45] <Cheery> hey ReggieUK
[19:45] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/raspberrypi-multimedia/blob/master/test_videosys.py
[19:45] <Cheery> think I should make a forum post about this?
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[19:47] <Cheery> there were some annoying bugs in there.
[19:49] <ReggieUK> what would the purpose of the forum post be?
[19:49] <ReggieUK> oh, you want answers
[19:49] <ReggieUK> yeah, go for it
[19:49] <ReggieUK> if you don't ask, no one will answer stuff :D
[19:50] <SSilver2k2> ugh, im playing irctag with willOu
[19:50] <SSilver2k2> will0u
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[19:51] <ReggieUK> I get what you're saying about pygame making things possible but I'm not so sure it's as clear cut as that
[19:51] <SSilver2k2> well that was timing
[19:51] <SSilver2k2> willl0u: howdy
[19:51] <ReggieUK> as there are people that undoubtedly have skills in using simple framebuffers
[19:51] <ReggieUK> and there are plenty of code examples out there
[19:52] <ReggieUK> there are also simple 2d functions built into the framebuffer driver if it doesn't have it's own
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[19:52] <ReggieUK> and handling button input has been done numerous times
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[19:54] <Cheery> ReggieUK: well all that complexity also creeps in because we've got lot of choices these days
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[19:55] <Cheery> just think about how joystick port in C64 worked out
[19:55] <Cheery> and what it did
[19:55] <TrickierStinky> hey guys
[19:55] <ReggieUK> I never had one
[19:56] <Cheery> but maybe you had something else which had ports that were almost near just I/O pins?
[19:56] <ReggieUK> probably :)
[19:57] <Cheery> or raw serial
[19:57] <Glisha> if I use python RPi.GPIO and I set up a pin GPIO.setup(7,GPIO.OUT) does it stay in output mode after reboots?
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[19:58] <Cheery> Glisha: try and see
[19:59] <Cheery> ReggieUK: but then.. maybe these problems we're tackling here are still present
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[20:00] <Cheery> USB is what the name says.. universal serial port
[20:01] <Cheery> what in the world there's in that so hard, that it requires a heatpoint on the hardware?
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[20:01] <rick__> sam?
[20:01] <Cheery> what makes it so hard people can't rewrite the driver layer for it?
[20:02] <Cheery> or barely maintain it
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[20:04] <TrickierStinky> does anyone know how i remove detached screens on screen?
[20:04] <SSilver2k2> hey everyone, I'll be making a guide for this later tonight, but for now, here is are NeoGeo emulator binaries compiled for the Pi - http://sheasilverman.com/rpi/gneogeo.zip
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[20:06] <Cheery> SSilver2k2: cool stuff
[20:06] <Cheery> I were waiting for when the first emulators start appearing. :)
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[20:06] <SSilver2k2> well, if you look at blog.sheasilverman.com, I have AdvanceMAME available for download
[20:07] <SSilver2k2> im also working on gneogeo (which is coming today) and AdvanceMESS, which is compiled and "working" but not displayign anythign yet
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[20:07] <Cheery> ok
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[20:24] <TrickierStinky> SSilver2k2 : whatas the support like for rom on the advanceMame?
[20:24] <SSilver2k2> its an older version of mame
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[20:24] <SSilver2k2> but, its working for a lot of roms before 1990
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[20:25] <SSilver2k2> SF2 is 1991, and at 900mhz is slow (but playable for laughs)
[20:25] <TrickierStinky> awesome thats what i like to here, you may have just saved my mame machine project
[20:25] <SSilver2k2> but if you want the donkey kongs, galagas, pac-mans, its working just fine
[20:26] <SSilver2k2> bubble bobble as well :-D
[20:26] <TrickierStinky> awesome
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[20:28] <SSilver2k2> right now im futzing with the neogeo config files
[20:28] <SSilver2k2> for gneogeo
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[20:40] <mkopack> Hey gang
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[20:43] <D-side> well. this is less than awesome.
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[20:43] <mkopack> What's wrong D-side?
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[20:43] <D-side> i created a keyfile in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections or something like that, whatever the required dir is
[20:43] <D-side> and as raspbmc boots, it connects.
[20:43] <D-side> dhcp, all that.
[20:44] <D-side> then the second xbmc is loaded, it dies.
[20:44] <D-side> thought maybe it was the networkmanager program addon script. it wasnt
[20:44] <D-side> so. close.
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[20:46] <D-side> hmm
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[20:50] <D-side> or its owrking i guess. wth
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[20:59] <TrickierStinky> anyone know how to remove a detached screen?
[21:00] <GabrialDestruir_> Reattach and Ctrl A then k
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[21:00] <TrickierStinky> brilliant thanks
[21:01] <TrickierStinky> slowly getting to grips with keeping irrsi on the pi all the time and using screen for the rest
[21:01] <GabrialDestruir_> or just a killall screen would get rid of screen too
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[21:01] <TrickierStinky> but wouldn't that delete the other screens aswell ?
[21:02] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah, true.
[21:02] <GabrialDestruir_> Wasn't sure how many other screens you had.
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[21:02] <TrickierStinky> sorry, forgot to mention that
[21:02] <GabrialDestruir_> In that case before you use Ctrl A k, you want to make sure you're on the screen you want to kill.
[21:02] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[21:02] <TrickierStinky> yep well if i suddenly disconnect you know i failed....
[21:03] <Demp> Hi, just got my rasp pi and started it, but the native screen resolution isn't an option in the GUI (1600x1200), any idea how to change it?
[21:03] <Demp> using debian btw
[21:03] <GabrialDestruir_> Ctrl A 1,2,3,etc to select the screen
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[21:03] <mkopack> Demp: I assume you're talking about once you're inside LXDE? Or at the command line ?
[21:04] <TrickierStinky> brill thanks
[21:04] <Demp> mkopack: either solution will do (gui is in LXDE, naturally)
[21:04] <TrickierStinky> how do i start a screen when theres is only one running then? for example this one
[21:04] <mkopack> Demp: You'll first need to set it for the command line - you do that by setting the proper mode in the /boot/config.txt
[21:05] <Demp> mkopack: alright, just edit it with nano?
[21:05] <GabrialDestruir_> You could do Ctrl A c creates screens.
[21:06] <GabrialDestruir_> Or you could go through a big whole process of splitting your workspace and using multiple screens that way.
[21:06] <Demp> mkopack: /boot/config.txt is empty
[21:06] <BenO> Ctrl A n hops to the next screen, if you just want to go through them all
[21:06] <mkopack> Demp: Yeah, you need to put some stuff in there.
[21:06] <mkopack> give me a sec and I'll find you the link
[21:06] <TrickierStinky> brill thanks
[21:07] <mkopack> Demp: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[21:07] <Demp> mkopack: ah, brilliant :) thanks
[21:07] <GabrialDestruir_> I wonder when RS is actually going to update me on my Pi
[21:07] <GabrialDestruir_> .-.
[21:07] <mkopack> That'll tell you what to do??? You'll need to find the right HDMI mode for the resolution you want and set that up, then reboot
[21:08] <Demp> I think I'll set it up tomorrow.. my head is killing me. cheers mkopack :)
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[21:08] <TrickierStinky> well upset, spent most of yesterday hacking away to try and get despotify compile on my pi, finally did it and the client doesnt seem to work
[21:09] <Terranigma> looks liek he has to diable overscan in copnfig.txtr
[21:09] <Terranigma> config.txt
[21:09] <Terranigma> disable even
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[21:09] <GabrialDestruir_> Sometimes disabling overscan isn't the best method, j/s.
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[21:09] <mkopack> k
[21:10] <Terranigma> it usually is on a hdtv
[21:12] <GabrialDestruir_> Mm, when I disabled it on my tv it didn't help any, just made the screen bigger than the hdtv could show, in the end I had to use the overscan_* to get it displaying properly
[21:12] <GabrialDestruir_> It all really depends on the tv itself
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[21:42] <gooseberry> anyone know how to hide join/part messages in irssi?
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[21:43] <gooseberry> pibot too
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[21:51] <Milos> gooseberry, http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Hide_join_part_messages#irssi
[21:51] <Milos> Btw, this is the type of question you would either a) join #irssi and ask, or b) google it
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[21:53] <gooseberry> Milos: Sorry, it's just I hear a lot of praise for irssi in here and thought someone would know off the top of their head.
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[21:53] <OllieMorfik> /set something
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[21:54] <gooseberry> Milos: But thanks for the link.
[21:54] <BHSPitMonkey> So I've been running my Pi as an always-on SSH/IRC box for a couple weeks, and now I'm starting to get system hangs
[21:54] <Milos> gooseberry, :)
[21:55] <Milos> BHSPitMonkey,yep.
[21:55] <Milos> I have too.
[21:55] <Milos> I don't find it's been anywhere near stable.
[21:55] <BHSPitMonkey> Milos: I'm not sure if it's the SD card or what
[21:56] <Milos> In my case it relates to USB being absolutely shocking.
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[21:56] <gooseberry> BHSPitMonkey: Latest firmware?
[21:57] <BHSPitMonkey> Here's what I get on my display: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1077900/photo/IMG_20120624_144719.jpg
[21:57] <Milos> That'll be a good start.
[21:57] <BHSPitMonkey> gooseberry: no, I wasn't aware there were new versions
[21:57] <gooseberry> BHSPitMonkey: Which OS? Debian?
[21:57] <Milos> The new firmware will probably resolve your issues.
[21:57] <Milos> That is definitely SD-related.
[21:58] <Milos> If you reboot, is your data still intact?
[21:58] <BHSPitMonkey> gooseberry: yep
[21:58] <gooseberry> You'll need to download a tool called rpi-update to update your firmware
[21:58] <BHSPitMonkey> Milos: well rebooting worked the first few times, but now it's so fubar that it won't even boot
[21:58] <Milos> You can just download it off github: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[21:58] <BHSPitMonkey> hopefully I can get it to
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[21:59] <Milos> Copy the contents of the boot folder into /boot/, replace everything that already exists.
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[21:59] <Milos> But you can use rpi-update if you want.
[21:59] <gooseberry> But before you run it, make sure you have done an: "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" first and your time is set correctly
[21:59] <Milos> I highly don't recommend that.
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[22:00] <Milos> If he hasn't upgraded yet, his SD card is still going to be 5MB/s and that will take hours.
[22:00] <gooseberry> You reckon?
[22:01] <Milos> Yes.
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[22:01] <Milos> The firmware upgrade is completely OS-independent, it won't matter.
[22:02] <gooseberry> Okay then.
[22:02] <gooseberry> BHSPitMonkey: Hopefully that should sort it out. Plus your max sd speed should have quadrupled
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[22:02] <BHSPitMonkey> gooseberry: great, I'm looking into it now
[22:03] <BHSPitMonkey> thanks for the information from both of you
[22:03] <BHSPitMonkey> Milos: I've done a few dist-upgrades to date (and configured my clock)
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[22:03] <gooseberry> I'm on the latest firmware and haven;t noticed any hangs, although I haven't been running it for a couple of weeks straight.
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[22:04] <BHSPitMonkey> Milos: so dumping those files from github into my /boot partition is equivalent to running rpi-update?
[22:04] <gooseberry> BHSPitMonkey: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/README.md
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[22:05] <BHSPitMonkey> gooseberry: it will be easier for me to do the process by hand if possible, since I'm having problems booting the actual device
[22:05] <BHSPitMonkey> I've got the SD card inserted into my desktop at the moment
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[22:08] <BHSPitMonkey> Milos: need I worry about the other folders besides /boot? (/extra, /hardfp, /modules, /opt)
[22:08] <gooseberry> BHSPitMonkey: Sure, personally I've only used the tool.
[22:08] <BHSPitMonkey> in the github repo, that is
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[22:08] <bnmorgan> wife has demanded we try to watch a pi movie
[22:09] <bnmorgan> installed that darkbmc or whatever it's called....wish me luck.
[22:09] <sjc_> Wife needs to be hit in the head with a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick
[22:09] <D-side> bnmorgan: darkelec isnt bad
[22:09] <bnmorgan> i'll let you give that a try.
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[22:09] <gooseberry> bnmorgan: watch game of thrones instead
[22:09] <bnmorgan> so far it seems ok.
[22:09] <bnmorgan> we're going to watch underworld
[22:09] <D-side> bnmorgan: if you've got an iphone or android phone the xbmc remote control is great
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[22:10] <gooseberry> ugh underworld..
[22:10] <bnmorgan> dside, how does it connect
[22:10] <gooseberry> vampires and werewolves?! With guns?!
[22:10] <D-side> bnmorgan: you have to enable the webserver in xbmc
[22:10] <bnmorgan> ahh. not going to have network in the living room
[22:10] <D-side> then specify the ability to allow other machines on the network to control it
[22:10] <bnmorgan> will keep for future reference once i have wifi on it or somesuch
[22:11] <bnmorgan> https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/303679_388223041243774_730665068_n.jpg
[22:11] <D-side> playing directly off the sd is great
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[22:11] <bnmorgan> going to come from a flas
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[22:12] <Milos> BHSPitMonkey, no.
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[22:12] <gooseberry> it's just the three files isn't it?
[22:12] <Milos> BHSPitMonkey, just copy everything from the boot folder into your /boot partition, overwriting anything that was already there.
[22:14] <ntwrk_keith> D-side, hello... You get your wifi adapter working?
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[22:18] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: yes and no
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[22:18] <D-side> i gave up raspbmc because it pissed me off
[22:18] <D-side> i found some recent builds of openelec that seem to work
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[22:18] <ntwrk_keith> oh
[22:18] <ntwrk_keith> :(
[22:18] <D-side> i'd say try that
[22:18] <ntwrk_keith> what are you using then?
[22:18] <ntwrk_keith> oh
[22:18] <ntwrk_keith> openelec
[22:18] <ntwrk_keith> is it similar to what raspbmc and xbmc can do?
[22:19] <D-side> yeah its actually designed for use with xbmc.
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[22:19] <D-side> i grabbed the june21 images here: https://www.ghcif.de/~t4c/raspberry/openelec/
[22:20] <ntwrk_keith> and wifi was working without the extra work or did you have to still do all of that?
[22:20] <D-side> previously i had to build the image from source
[22:20] <D-side> this time i plopped those two images on a preconfiged sd card
[22:20] <D-side> and it worked
[22:20] <ntwrk_keith> hmm
[22:20] <ntwrk_keith> the kernel and the system?
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[22:20] <ntwrk_keith> nothing else?
[22:20] <D-side> yes and no. wait.
[22:21] <D-side> http://openelec.tv/component/k2/item/242-openelec-meets-raspberry-pi-part-2
[22:21] <D-side> follow that
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[22:21] <D-side> requires a linux machine
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[22:21] <gooseberry> kvarley has img files for openelec if you want these
[22:22] <D-side> is he a regular here or something?
[22:22] <sjc_> D-side: with a suitable liveCD, any machine could conceivably become a GNU/Linux machine
[22:22] <gooseberry> http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
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[22:22] <D-side> sjc_: of course. why did you feel the need to tell me that?
[22:22] <gooseberry> D-side: yes
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[22:23] <gooseberry> sjc_: the raspberry pi doesn't have a cd/dvd rom drive
[22:24] <sjc_> D-side: you said yo urequired a linux machine. Not exactly hard to get one, so i said.
[22:24] <sjc_> gooseberry: really? I'd never have guessed :O
[22:24] <MikeL> mine has a dvd rom drive
[22:24] <MikeL> via usb
[22:25] <gooseberry> mine has a floppy drive
[22:25] <gooseberry> via usb
[22:25] <D-side> sjc_: no, that's not what happened. I was telling ntwrk_keith that he needed a linux machine in order to follow a guide i gave him.
[22:26] <gooseberry> get over yourselves
[22:26] <sjc_> D-side: apologies, formatting messed up, looked like a /me . Forgive me oh great one :/
[22:27] <D-side> sjc_: we'll see
[22:27] <D-side> if you're good
[22:27] <sjc_> Oh please.
[22:27] <BHSPitMonkey> Milos: it boots now :)
[22:27] <Milos> Bhaal, :)
[22:27] <Milos> I mean, BHSPitMonkey.
[22:27] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: okay so
[22:28] <Milos> BHSPitMonkey, if you've never updated it, you'll notice it's much snappier.
[22:28] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: i'm looking at this openelec image's contents and yeah the firmware is included by default
[22:28] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: so if you can get the sd card partitioned and formatted, the boot files and system/kernel images plopped on it
[22:28] <BHSPitMonkey> Milos: certainly is
[22:28] <D-side> you'll have a far easier time with it
[22:28] <gooseberry> D-side: of course it is, the pi doesn't have an internal flash to store it
[22:29] <D-side> gooseberry: what?
[22:29] <Milos> -_-
[22:29] <D-side> the point here is, other images did not have the firmware files
[22:29] <Milos> The pi is unbrickable; everything is stored on the SD card.
[22:29] <Milos> Yes they did.
[22:29] <gooseberry> D-side: It wouldn't be a very good image if they didn't ship it with the firmware
[22:29] <D-side> gooseberry: none of the previous ones did.
[22:29] <gooseberry> course they did
[22:29] <D-side> thus why i had to build my own openelec image
[22:30] <D-side> gooseberry: no, they sure didnt
[22:30] <gooseberry> where else would the firmware be
[22:30] <D-side> listen here.
[22:30] <Milos> You mean you had to grab it off the github repo?
[22:30] <D-side> the official openelect pi image does not have htc_9271.fw in /lib/firmware
[22:30] <Milos> That's a different firmware to what we were talking about.
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[22:31] <gooseberry> we're tallking about the start.elf etc
[22:31] <D-side> you are.
[22:31] <D-side> i'm talking to ntwrk_keith
[22:31] <Milos> It doesn't look like it.
[22:31] <Milos> ntwrk_keith, apparently someone is talking to you?
[22:32] <D-side> Yes, the fact that i directed my commentary at him specifically must have been what confused it.
[22:32] <BHSPitMonkey> so much butthurt
[22:32] <Milos> If you have something specific to say, do it in a private message, you were here yesterday sending rage faces because you had trouble installing something. Just shill.
[22:32] <D-side> lawl.
[22:32] <D-side> calm down pal. we're all good.
[22:33] <ntwrk_keith> huh?
[22:33] <ntwrk_keith> am i getting yelled at?
[22:33] <Thorn_> kids...
[22:33] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: no, you're good.
[22:33] <D-side> follow that guide i gave you and grab those files i gave the url to
[22:34] <D-side> and you'll be able to easily get a working xbmc instance on your pi
[22:34] <D-side> for varying definitions of "easily"
[22:34] <ntwrk_keith> Ok... thanks for the tip about the linux machine... GUI necessary or is command line ok?
[22:34] <D-side> command line is all that's required.
[22:34] <ntwrk_keith> Ok cool, thanks bud
[22:34] <D-side> if i were you i'd probably provision a quick vbox instance if you dont have a linux machine laying around
[22:34] <D-side> which i expect you dont
[22:34] <ntwrk_keith> I have 2
[22:34] <D-side> well then
[22:34] <ntwrk_keith> a ubuntu server and a mint laptop
[22:35] <ntwrk_keith> I'm trying to learn
[22:35] <ntwrk_keith> :)
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[22:35] <D-side> that's good :D
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[22:35] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: you'll need a sd card reader
[22:36] <ntwrk_keith> Got one
[22:36] <ntwrk_keith> :)
[22:36] <gooseberry> poundland sell the best card readers
[22:36] <D-side> .com?
[22:36] <gooseberry> no
[22:36] <D-side> oh.
[22:37] <D-side> yeah i just found it.
[22:37] <D-side> or did I? i'm guessing no.
[22:37] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah, this looks like a grocery store thing
[22:37] <D-side> yeah
[22:37] <D-side> that's the one I found
[22:37] <D-side> i need a replacement, as mine is a beat up piece of junk
[22:37] <gooseberry> my old faithful, http://site.spyville.com/Spy_shop_pictures/SD-card-reader-1.jpg
[22:37] <ntwrk_keith> D-side, are you in networking? You asked me about BGP tables and mentioned your access list last night. I assumed you were
[22:38] <BHSPitMonkey> huh, weird http://www.poundland.co.uk/product-range/a-z/signalex-multishot-usb-card-reader/
[22:38] <gooseberry> D-side: they're just a super cheap store in the uk which sometimes sells chinese junk
[22:38] <D-side> http://cdn-store.crackberry.com/images/product_images/accessories/additional_images/3569/large/2.jpg
[22:38] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: yep
[22:39] <D-side> i pull double duty as a nix SA and a network admin
[22:39] <D-side> snoozefeest.
[22:39] <D-side> fest, rather
[22:39] <ntwrk_keith> nice
[22:39] <ntwrk_keith> :)
[22:39] * ntwrk_keith is a network admin as well.. Only 2 years into it though so plenty to learn
[22:40] <D-side> alright lets go see if this scraper is done ruining the load in this pi
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[22:45] <D-side> and so much for that
[22:46] <BHSPitMonkey> "setting up firmware" in rpi-update sure takes some time
[22:46] <BHSPitMonkey> wish it was more verbose
[22:47] <Draylor> not alot it can do at that point without getting too spammy, its just waiting for git to do its thing
[22:47] <gooseberry> BHSPitMonkey: Did copying it over manually not work out?
[22:47] <D-side> i cannot wait for that modmypi case to ship
[22:47] <BHSPitMonkey> Draylor: this is linux, we want to get spammed with details!
[22:47] <gooseberry> D-side: ditto
[22:47] <ntwrk_keith> D-side, did you see my notes from last night, where the power mode was off? I wonder if the adapter cant pull enough power
[22:47] <ntwrk_keith> I bought one as well D-side
[22:48] <ntwrk_keith> blue/black for min
[22:48] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: no i didnt see that. it could be.
[22:48] <ntwrk_keith> mine*
[22:48] <ntwrk_keith> did a iwlist wlan0 power
[22:48] <ntwrk_keith> and it said current mode:off
[22:48] <BHSPitMonkey> gooseberry: I believe it did work out, since I can boot now. Now I'm running the tool on the device because it couldn't hurt.
[22:48] <gooseberry> black!
[22:49] <gooseberry> BHSPitMonkey: Sure.
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[22:57] <ntwrk_keith> I'm really learning a lot by doing this stuff
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[22:58] <maalox> My pi fails to boot (at least, it doesn't grab an IP from the network) when the HDMI cable isn't plugged in. I don't see anything in the syslog, which makes me think that it doesn't even make it past bootstrapping. Anyone know what might be up?
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[22:59] <gooseberry> maalox: Has it ever sucessfully booted?
[22:59] <maalox> gooseberry: yeah, it works fine when it's hooked up to the TV
[23:00] <gooseberry> Latest firmware?
[23:00] <maalox> hrm, let me see
[23:00] <ntwrk_keith> D-side: do I need to ignore the part 1 of the instuctions and just move the 2 files (system and kernel) to the System partition?
[23:00] <D-side> yeah part 1 is only about building it from source iirc
[23:00] <ntwrk_keith> Yep
[23:01] <ntwrk_keith> but it doesnt mention installing a bootloader from a driver package
[23:01] <ntwrk_keith> I will ignore for now
[23:02] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: keep reading, its on that part 2 page
[23:02] <ntwrk_keith> This directory doesnt exist /media/System/
[23:02] <ntwrk_keith> do I need to mount the SD card?
[23:02] <D-side> you have to create them
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[23:03] <D-side> mkdir /media/{System,Storage}
[23:03] <D-side> as root
[23:03] <ntwrk_keith> Ok
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[23:04] <maalox> grindking: er, I'm running the wheezy image. does that answer your question?
[23:04] <maalox> gooseberry: er, I'm running the wheezy image. does that answer your question?
[23:04] <maalox> sorry grindking
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[23:05] <gooseberry> maalox: yeah, hexxeh has created a tool to easily update to the latest firmware, here are the instructions https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/README.md
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[23:06] <D-side> is there a changelog on fw updates
[23:06] <maalox> gooseberry: fabulous. let's see what happens
[23:07] <gooseberry> D-side: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
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[23:07] <D-side> oh i could have foudn that, sorry
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[23:07] <D-side> thanks
[23:08] <ntwrk_keith> D-side: getting a permission denied with "sudo echo "dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 root=/dev/ram0 rdinit=/init boot=/dev/mmcblk0p1 disk=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ssh quiet" > /media/System/cmdline.txt" could I do sudo cat?
[23:08] <D-side> er no
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[23:08] <D-side> are you currently root?
[23:08] <D-side> wont need to sudo if you are
[23:08] <D-side> but
[23:08] <ntwrk_keith> no I'm not but I thought sudo could do it for me
[23:08] <D-side> is the first partition of the SD card mounted under /media/System ?
[23:09] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: you're right, it should
[23:10] <ntwrk_keith> no I havent mounted anything yet
[23:10] <ntwrk_keith> I created the directory
[23:10] <ntwrk_keith> directories*
[23:10] <gooseberry> mount it
[23:10] <D-side> gotta mount it before that
[23:10] <D-side> it may not say that in the documentation
[23:11] <ntwrk_keith> doh, thats whats I was asking, maybe I didnt ask correctly
[23:11] <D-side> no dont worry
[23:11] <ntwrk_keith> so mount /dev/sdc (thats where my SD card is) to /media/System ?
[23:11] <D-side> i think i recall the documentation not specifying that
[23:11] <D-side> no
[23:11] <D-side> /dev/sdc1
[23:11] <ntwrk_keith> Oh ok
[23:11] <D-side> BE VERY SURE
[23:11] <D-side> that its /dev/sdc
[23:11] <ntwrk_keith> it is
[23:11] <ntwrk_keith> I verified
[23:11] <gooseberry> triple check
[23:12] <ntwrk_keith> ok how can i check for certain :)
[23:12] <D-side> fdisk
[23:12] <ntwrk_keith> sda is my hard drive, sdb is my external harddrive
[23:12] <D-side> you're probably okay
[23:12] <D-side> actually dmesg | grep sdc
[23:12] <D-side> will be sufficient
[23:13] <Simon-> ntwrk_keith: you're redirecting the output of the sudo command
[23:13] <ntwrk_keith> yeah it shows up as sdc
[23:14] <ntwrk_keith> hmm
[23:14] <ntwrk_keith> still a permission denied
[23:14] <gooseberry> try again
[23:15] <ntwrk_keith> its mounted
[23:15] <ntwrk_keith> .../dev/sdc1 127730 75828 51902 60% /media/System
[23:15] <gooseberry> Again!
[23:16] <ntwrk_keith> :(
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[23:18] <ntwrk_keith> any other way around this?
[23:18] <ntwrk_keith> can I just create the file in VIM and paste the contents?
[23:19] <Simon-> are you still trying to redirect the output of sudo?
[23:19] <ntwrk_keith> I'm following it word for word
[23:19] <ntwrk_keith> so yes
[23:19] <Simon-> following it word for word from where?
[23:19] <Simon-> redirection is handled by your shell
[23:20] <Simon-> so the sudo becomes pointless if you need root as you're not root
[23:20] <ntwrk_keith> http://openelec.tv/component/k2/item/242-openelec-meets-raspberry-pi-part-2
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[23:21] <maalox> gooseberry: I updated to the latest firmware, and now it fails regardless of whether HDMI is plugged in or not-- Right at the Raspberry Pi logo. There's a logo and an underscore that blinks a few times and then stops.
[23:21] <gooseberry> hmm
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[23:22] <ntwrk_keith> Simon-: thanks for that
[23:22] <Simon-> ntwrk_keith: they haven't tested that and/or don't know what they're doing
[23:22] <ntwrk_keith> I got it to work
[23:22] <ntwrk_keith> su wasnt working because the root password was never changed I'm assuming
[23:22] <Simon-> ntwrk_keith: usually when you have things auto-mounted under /media they're owned by your current user
[23:22] <ntwrk_keith> A rookie mistake
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[23:28] <ntwrk_keith> Hmm
[23:28] <ntwrk_keith> dont think I did something right
[23:28] <ntwrk_keith> no addresses pulled from router
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[23:30] <ntwrk_keith> D-side: you sure theose bootcode.bin, loader.bin files arent needed?
[23:30] <D-side> i never said they werent
[23:30] <D-side> they're definitely needed
[23:30] <ntwrk_keith> LMAO
[23:30] <ntwrk_keith> well that makes sense then
[23:30] <ntwrk_keith> sigh
[23:30] <D-side> yeah i bet it does
[23:30] <D-side> :D
[23:31] <gooseberry> ...
[23:31] <Draylor> if you removed those i hope you've a SD card reader handy :D
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[23:31] <ntwrk_keith> I didnt remove them, just never added them ;)
[23:31] <gooseberry> they come with the image
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[23:33] <plugwash> anyone know how I get rpi-update to show what firmware version it has installed?
[23:36] <ntwrk_keith> ok hopefully I'm in business now
[23:36] <Draylor> i would suggest /boot/.firmware_revision
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[23:36] <Draylor> but its not a human readable string, so i cant ;)
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[23:37] <gooseberry> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd version
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[23:38] <neofutur> plugwash: cat /boot/.firmware_revision
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[23:39] <SpeedEvil> neofutur: Meow
[23:41] <ntwrk_keith> no surprise, it didnt work
[23:41] <ntwrk_keith> going to start over
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[23:44] <reider59> yahey! Photography trip is back on tomorrow, the weather improved a bit
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[23:45] <netman87> huh now its been month after ordering and still no RPi
[23:45] <reider59> only a month lol?
[23:45] <netman87> well it did say 5 weeks for delivery
[23:45] <Draylor> it lied
[23:46] <netman87> i want it already
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[23:46] <Draylor> id guess you wont have it in the next 5 weeks tbh
[23:46] <reider59> I gave a spare code away just over a week ago and he was told up to 7 weeks
[23:46] <netman87> why that? i did already pay it
[23:47] <netman87> i want money back or my RPi before its been 5 weeks from order
[23:47] <Draylor> heh, i thought RS/farnell were better than taking money before shipping - thats poor
[23:47] <reider59> I think they changed it now but I gave my card details and they took the money only when it was dispatched
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[23:48] <plugwash> Afacit RS are charging cards at order time while farnell are charging them just before shipping
[23:48] <Dagger2> netman87: should've ordered from someone that could guarantee a delivery date rather than just an estimate then
[23:48] <reider59> sounds about right, mine was Farnell
[23:49] <netman87> Dagger2: everyone said that they are just telling bigger delivery time to cover their asses
[23:49] <Dagger2> but if you ordered from RS a month ago, it should be shipping very soon. I ordered on the 24th of May, and got a despatch notification on Friday
[23:49] <netman87> :(
[23:49] <netman87> i did order 26th day last month
[23:49] <reider59> shouldn`t be long now
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[23:49] <BenO> RS > Farnell in delivering, IME
[23:50] <netman87> and RS i think
[23:50] <netman87> ill check
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[23:50] <netman87> Allied Electronics & RS Components Order Confirmation
[23:50] <reider59> It`s only about 29 days now so the 5 weeks are not up yet
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[23:51] <TrickierStinky> hey guys
[23:51] <reider59> back end of next week or early the week after
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[23:52] <netman87> yeah about week more
[23:53] <reider59> It will soon pass. do some reading, see what Distro to put on. Check you have the right PSU and SD card, prep the card etc....
[23:53] <GabrialDestruir_> The only thing I dislike about Rs so far, is the fact that I have no way to check the status of my order.
[23:53] <ntwrk_keith> D-side: did I need to mount sdc2 to /media/Storage for any reason? Didnt see it in instructions but want to make sure
[23:54] <reider59> Check you have a low power keyboard/mose, get a powered USB Hub ready if necessary. Get it all prepared and much more likely to work before the day
[23:54] <TrickierStinky> whats best way to get cpu/ram stats on debian ?
[23:54] <reider59> *mouse not mose
[23:54] <GabrialDestruir_> top
[23:54] <GabrialDestruir_> or htop
[23:55] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir_: you don't have a pi yet?
[23:55] <GabrialDestruir_> Invest in a Logitech k400, makes a nice little keyboard/trackpad combo in my opinion for the Pi
[23:55] <BenO> Agree - top/htop and free (bear in mind, the figures you'll get need some interpretation)
[23:55] <GabrialDestruir_> I have a farnell one.
[23:55] <GabrialDestruir_> I recently ordered a second from RS though
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[23:56] <cehteh> cheater :P
[23:56] <TrickierStinky> cool, is there a way i can run top just to return the results? rather than just a constant feed?
[23:56] <BenO> eg if free tells you all the RAM is allocated, that is not the same as the RAM being 'full', for want of a better word
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[23:56] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: nope
[23:57] <D-side> okay so i'm not counting my proverbial chickens or anything
[23:57] <gooseberry> free ram is wasted ram
[23:57] <D-side> but where i'd usually see buffering every 6min or so
[23:57] <D-side> i'm 12min into a streaming movie and none
[23:57] <mythos> http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[23:58] <TrickierStinky> ahh right cool I'll keep that in mine ta
[23:58] <GabrialDestruir_> You could try grep, but as far as I know you can't do something like grep keyword, keyword2, keyword3 so it'd show all three of those separately
[23:58] <BenO> TrickierStinky, if you are looking to make a display/widget or even see quick monitoring code, see http://conky.sourceforge.net/
[23:59] <mythos> grep -E "word1|word2|wordn"
[23:59] <gooseberry> mythos: http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
[23:59] <mythos> gooseberry, cool... i'm going to try that
[23:59] <TrickierStinky> thanks Ben0 i'll take a look
[23:59] <gooseberry> mythos: I got 4gb extra free

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