#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-25

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[0:01] <GabrialDestruir_> I wish it were that easy to download Ram
[0:01] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[0:01] <SSilver2k2> Neo Geo emulator howto and info now posted. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=9286
[0:02] <SSilver2k2> feel free to PM me any questions comments or suggestions
[0:02] <D-side> wow
[0:02] <D-side> SSilver2k2: even if i never use it, good job :)
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[0:03] <Draylor> heh
[0:03] <D-side> need a usb arcade pad
[0:03] <Draylor> neogeo is awesome, when you ignore the fighting games anyway ;)
[0:03] <D-side> do they make such a thing?
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir_> Curious, anyone here running OpenELEC?
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[0:03] <D-side> GabrialDestruir_: i am
[0:03] <GabrialDestruir_> Could you try running the Free Cable plugin from Bluecop and see if you can get any videos to play?
[0:04] <BenO> SSilver2k2, direct rendering to /dev/fb0? Impressed that it it playable :) GnGeo uses Alsa for audio output at a guess?
[0:04] <GabrialDestruir_> Oh might not work unless you're in the US, but I'm in the US and the plugin throws errors so idk .-.
[0:04] <GabrialDestruir_> you're not in the US*
[0:05] <SSilver2k2> BenO: I assume so, i actually havent tested audio since I don't have any extra speakers lying around
[0:06] <gooseberry> why is it biased against americans?
[0:06] <D-side> I'm in the US, but i dont see that listed as an available plugin
[0:06] <SSilver2k2> AdvanceMAME uses /dev/fb0 and uses alsa audio and is playable :)
[0:06] <GabrialDestruir_> You have to have the Bluecop repository
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[0:06] <GabrialDestruir_> http://code.google.com/p/bluecop-xbmc-repo/
[0:06] <BenO> SSilver2k2, Ah okay :)
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[0:07] <D-side> oh
[0:07] <D-side> not so sure i wanna mess with other repos on this
[0:08] <D-side> so uh, what does this do
[0:08] <D-side> because "Free Cable" doesn't sound particularly legimate
[0:08] <D-side> by name alone
[0:09] <gooseberry> neither does raspberry pi
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[0:09] <D-side> i'm talking about the legality of it
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[0:09] <gooseberry> everybody likes free cables, what's not to like?
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[0:10] <GabrialDestruir_> It's suppose to access websites like History Channel or USA or SyFy and all you to play their videos on the site.
[0:10] <D-side> oh that's cool then
[0:10] <GabrialDestruir_> Except I haven't been able to get it working.
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[0:11] <gooseberry> are you a subscriber to these channels?
[0:11] <D-side> i think those sites dont require it
[0:11] <gooseberry> hbo does, so annoying
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[0:12] <GabrialDestruir_> Also Bluecop's has Amazon Insant video plugin, and Hulu Plugin, and several others I haven't bothered to play with yet.
[0:12] <D-side> GabrialDestruir_: those sound a lot more interesting to me :)
[0:12] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea, they both work, decently, though the menus and the starting the streams seem to be slow, not sure if that's a Pi thing or what.
[0:13] <gooseberry> iplayer?
[0:13] <ill1cit> i like watching Loose Women on the iPlayer
[0:13] <D-side> hmm how do i add this
[0:13] <ill1cit> and Bride Wars ABSOLUTELY LOOOOOOOOOVE IT
[0:13] <ntwrk_keith> I give up
[0:14] <ill1cit> and my big fat gypsey wedding <3
[0:14] <ntwrk_keith> Someone want my RPi?
[0:14] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: you're so close
[0:14] <gooseberry> ill1cit: you should be ashamed of yourself
[0:14] <GabrialDestruir_> Put it on a network share, go to Settings > Add-Ons > Install From w/e then browse to the network share.
[0:14] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: yes i do
[0:14] <D-side> but
[0:14] <ntwrk_keith> D-side, it doesnt work
[0:14] * gordonDrogon waves.
[0:14] <ntwrk_keith> black screen
[0:14] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: so
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> Know what really makes me mad?
[0:14] <ntwrk_keith> I did it twice
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> ... They clean me with a brillo pad ...
[0:14] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: you grabbed this: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[0:14] <gooseberry> gordonDrogon: uneaten cake?
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[0:14] <ill1cit> gooseberry u sad about the football??
[0:14] <D-side> put them into that vfat partition
[0:14] <D-side> renamed the system image to SYSTEM
[0:14] <ill1cit> like an asagai through the heart of HART
[0:14] <D-side> and the kernel to kernel.img
[0:15] <D-side> and created the cmdline.txt?
[0:15] <ntwrk_keith> I grabbed arm128_start.elf, loader.bin, and bootcode.bin from there. I did every instruction
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> just been to see Hitchhikers - life radio performance thing. Lots of fun.
[0:15] <D-side> ntwrk_keith: renamed them appropriately?
[0:15] <ntwrk_keith> yes
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[0:15] <D-side> do an ls and msg me the output
[0:15] <ntwrk_keith> one sec
[0:15] <ntwrk_keith> have to mount it
[0:15] <D-side> okay
[0:15] <D-side> if you really do give up
[0:16] <D-side> sell me your pi. i've earned the right to first shot at it :D
[0:16] <maalox> gooseberry: downgraded to squeeze and things seem to be happy again! thanks for your help.
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[0:17] <GabrialDestruir_> 100 bucks.
[0:17] <GabrialDestruir_> :p
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[0:18] <GabrialDestruir_> and that's a discount from my usual 100 Pounds -nods-
[0:18] <BenO> Ooo ChanServ muting a spammer?
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[0:21] <GabrialDestruir> You know.... everyone always makes Linux sound like it's suppose to be more stable than any other OS and free of bugs and errors and such. then I remember how full of crap they are when I go do something like replace my Laptop's os with linux
[0:21] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[0:21] <D-side> eh
[0:21] <D-side> it's completely awesome on the server
[0:22] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir: what are you on about?
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[0:22] <daxroc> Just like windows is 'Bug' free, the only difference is linux is open about the bugs !
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[0:23] <gooseberry> windows just gets targeted because it's the most popular
[0:23] <GabrialDestruir> lol, I've seen more errors running Ubuntu for a week than I might usually see on windows in a month .-.
[0:23] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[0:23] <gooseberry> windows 7 is pretty good
[0:24] <BenO> Getting an OS running on your hardware != Stability of OS
[0:24] <ill1cit> i still love Windows XP
[0:24] <ill1cit> its so fast
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[0:24] <ill1cit> but losing ground sadly
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[0:24] <gooseberry> ubuntu is a bad example because unity sucks
[0:25] <ill1cit> remember how shit WIndows ME was
[0:25] <notlistening> gooseberry do you have a gooseberry?
[0:25] <ill1cit> lol
[0:25] <gooseberry> notlistening: in my garden
[0:25] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, the only problem I have with unity, is it's lack of customizability.
[0:25] <notlistening> lol not a dev board :D
[0:25] <notlistening> unity is in its infancy
[0:26] <notlistening> be patient
[0:26] <Draylor> ubuntu hasnt changed since day 1 - its still nothing more than debian with the goodness sucked out
[0:26] <mythos> here are really windowsusers?
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[0:26] <gooseberry> mythos: at least three
[0:27] <GabrialDestruir> I use windows.
[0:27] <GabrialDestruir> Or at least I did until my desktop became a POW
[0:27] <D-side> osx!
[0:27] <gooseberry> prisoner of war?
[0:27] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
[0:27] <mythos> ah... i'm tired... i don't even want anymore to flame today
[0:27] <GabrialDestruir> In my for some reason unending war against a Virus .-.
[0:28] <gooseberry> D-side: I don't like the window management on osx, I love all the shortcuts on win7
[0:28] <mythos> never used win7
[0:28] <D-side> gooseberry: i dont dislike win7 one bit
[0:28] <D-side> its the best desktop os they've come out with yet
[0:28] <mythos> i'm on linux since 2006
[0:28] <gooseberry> I hate how it's so frowned upon to maximise windows in osx
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> And the bug eyed monster? It's green, yes.
[0:29] <gooseberry> gordonDrogon: ?
[0:29] <BenO> I'm looking forward to see where MS take Metro UI - although the colour scheme is a bit like a Kid's toy interface atm
[0:29] <gooseberry> BenO: Hell no.
[0:30] <Draylor> arf
[0:30] <GabrialDestruir> It's suppose to be better windows management
[0:30] <gooseberry> Metro does not work all for desktops.. It only works for touchscreens.. It's just painful with a mouse
[0:30] <GabrialDestruir> No OSX window will maximize beyond the absolute maximum size to show all content in it.
[0:30] <mythos> good luck with windows then
[0:30] <Draylor> yeah, only question is whether metro is a bob or a vista - can it be fixed in teh next revision
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[0:30] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir: It will if I force it to by holding shift
[0:30] <BenO> I'm not touching it with a bargepole, but it's the first major desktop change they've made in years. Will be interesting to see how it plays out - affect on old/new devs and apps
[0:30] <GabrialDestruir> 8 is a Vista
[0:31] <GabrialDestruir> Through and through
[0:31] <Draylor> either way its not meant for using
[0:31] <Draylor> its for tablets and chumps that buy a new PC with it pre-instaleld
[0:31] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir: Nah, it's not vista, win 8 has a lot of performance inprovements
[0:31] <Draylor> if dell & co can be paid enough to preinstall it
[0:31] <mythos> Draylor, so.... 98% of all users?
[0:32] <gooseberry> If they had let you uninstall metro it would have been fine
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> Let's ignore for a fact that you're pretty much forced to use Metro for anything, and look at the fact the only thing you'll be able to compile with the Visual Studios released for 8 is metro aapps.
[0:32] <Draylor> most users are still on XP mythos, so no - far from it
[0:32] <gooseberry> yeah they'ved binned the start menu
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> If you want to create any sort of desktop application for Windows 8 you have to buy the full version.
[0:32] <Draylor> MS backed down on that one after about 2 days GabrialDestruir
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> Really?
[0:32] <gooseberry> Draylor: doubtful, you can'teven do dx10 on winxp
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> I must of missed that one.
[0:33] <mythos> Draylor, all new machines are delivered with windows 7 and will be delivered with win 8 and so on... it was only a argument for the "pre-installed" part
[0:33] <Draylor> wasnt talking gamers gooseberry :)
[0:33] <Draylor> ancient PC in offices etc cover a huge number of "users"
[0:33] <gooseberry> Draylor: gamers is a very large margin
[0:33] <GabrialDestruir> Metro seems more like it should be an optional add-on ontop of an improved Windows 7
[0:33] <D-side> GabrialDestruir: that's basically what you'er getting with 8
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[0:34] <GabrialDestruir> But last time I played with Windows 8 Dev Previews it seemed like everything forced you back to metro
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[0:34] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir: Indeed, but you have to respect them for actually going through with something instead of doing it half-assed
[0:34] <SSilver2k2> theres a registry setting to turn off metro
[0:35] <Draylor> heh, not really gooseberry
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[0:35] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir: I think they're hoping everyone will be using touchscreen monitors in 22-3 years
[0:35] <gooseberry> *2-3
[0:35] <Draylor> look through the visual studio blogs, the feedback & MSs reaction to it if you want to laugh at their half-assed handling of UI changes ;)
[0:36] <GabrialDestruir> Personally I like the idea behind the synced desktops type thing, and all that. But the idea of forcing everything to metro just seems horrible, even if you're running a touchscreen desktop it doesn't seem like it'd be very friendly.
[0:36] <gooseberry> Draylor: Hmm? They're pushing metro on all their platforms, phone. tablet.. desktop. It's a pretty cool idea in theory
[0:36] <BenO> Draylor, That's the interesting part of the Metro push :)
[0:36] <GabrialDestruir> OSX apparently is doing something similar with the "sync" type thing
[0:37] <gooseberry> an app store would be nice though
[0:37] <BenO> Draylor, they've never really had to push so many fundamentally new changes - it's a learning experience for them ;)
[0:37] <Draylor> ALL CAPS MENUS THAT SHOUT AT USERS are just plain wrong
[0:37] <GabrialDestruir> and honestly that's the only reason I could see moving to 8 being worth it, that idea of application syncing that would allow you to just continue work on any Windows 8 device.
[0:37] <gooseberry> Usually it's apple who force their users to move in a certain direction
[0:37] <Draylor> MSs reaction to hundreds/thousands of comments telling them that was to ... modify the spacing between menus
[0:37] <Draylor> you couldnt make that nonsense up :D
[0:38] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir: Indeed, maybe even syncing with the new xbox
[0:40] <GabrialDestruir> Unfortunately it also seems that Windows 8 will only be available for tablets specifically designed to run it... which really sort of kills that being able to install it on anything that windows usually has.
[0:40] <Draylor> heh
[0:40] <Draylor> given hte massive number of intel tablets out there that makes v little difference
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[0:41] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir: Yeah, it's not like android where you're able to get AOSP seperately, windows 8 arm will only come with machines, and only machines with locked bootloaders
[0:41] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, and that's where it's going to suck the most I think, having to buy a specific device just for running the tablet version?
[0:41] <gooseberry> Draylor: There's a big difference. ARM is much better suited for tablets
[0:42] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir: Of course they're going to push updates
[0:42] <Draylor> maybe, i remain to be convinced on that one - since noone has actually made a decenet attempt at anything else
[0:42] <gooseberry> Draylor: intel have a phone now don't they?
[0:42] <BenO> It will be interesting to see if they can be jailbroke
[0:42] <Draylor> "a" phone, yeah. 1
[0:43] <gooseberry> BenO: jailbreak is puring an iOS term
[0:43] <Draylor> 1 low-end android phone available on 1 network in 1 country afaik?
[0:43] <gooseberry> *purely
[0:43] <Draylor> awesome, they'll get rich on that :D
[0:43] <BenO> gooseberry, rooted, hacked, pick-your-term
[0:43] <gooseberry> Draylor: My country, who cares about the rest of the world
[0:43] <Draylor> noone important
[0:44] <Draylor> only anyone that wants to make money :D
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[0:44] <gooseberry> they're testing the water
[0:44] <gooseberry> before jumping in
[0:44] <Draylor> nah, they know the water is cold & toxic :p
[0:44] <gooseberry> intel can't afford to let ARM dominate the market
[0:44] <GabrialDestruir> Well that's the thing about Windows it usually doesn't require you to have to hack it to get root,admin,superuser. Probably not true for the Windows Phones, but I imagine if they're really pushing this Windows 8 on everything, you'd have full admin access.
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[0:45] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir: Yeah but we're taling about windows 8 RT not windows 8
[0:45] <GabrialDestruir> Except of course.... any device put out by ATT or any provider that locks their devices down to past worthless.
[0:45] <gooseberry> *talking
[0:45] <GabrialDestruir> RT?
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[0:45] <Draylor> arm version
[0:46] <gooseberry> yeah their stupid name
[0:46] <Draylor> wont run anything useful, just "new" metro poo
[0:46] <GabrialDestruir> Ah.
[0:46] <gooseberry> noone knows what it stands for.. definitely not realtime
[0:46] <bnmorgan> just finished watching movie.....awesome quality
[0:46] <Draylor> guaranteed to confuse the shit out of the mass of sheep that buy tablets
[0:46] <Draylor> so they'll continue buying other brands instead
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[0:47] <Draylor> great marketing ;)
[0:47] <gooseberry> it will probably be too expensive for the sheep
[0:47] <Draylor> sure
[0:47] <Draylor> to run windows, even cut down windows, it'll need more cpu/ram/storage than the average tablet
[0:47] <daxroc> Heh, metro. Congratulations to Microsoft for fragmenting a device before it's even released with their premium and basic models what joe user will understand untill it wont work for them ...
[0:48] <Draylor> yeah
[0:48] <gooseberry> hopefully the google nexus tablets will force everyone to bring their prices down
[0:48] <GabrialDestruir> Unless they've actually specialized windows for tablets
[0:48] <GabrialDestruir> at least the arm version
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[0:48] <Draylor> plenty of cheap android tablets already gooseberry
[0:48] <Draylor> noone wants a tablet with a dodgy screen & slow processor
[0:48] <gooseberry> daxroc: windows 8 rt is pure metro, while windows 8 can still access the old desktop
[0:49] <Draylor> if you want it cheap thats what youll get
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[0:49] <daxroc> gooseberry: to me it's still useless as I don't want a desktop on a tablet I have a Desktop for that!
[0:49] <gooseberry> Draylor: yeah but the nexus brand oozes quality, they should be announcing some at google io
[0:49] <GabrialDestruir> I personally thought something like the Nook Tablet would of forced a price point drop, but then they went and didn't add BT or GPS, or any sort of 3G/4G add-on capabilities..... so it's just an over glorified Nook color
[0:49] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[0:49] <Draylor> they wont be subsidising the price - not their style
[0:50] <gooseberry> Draylor: I think they will, there's a lot of talk that it will be prices similar to the kindle fire
[0:50] <Draylor> so either it wont be cheap, or it'll compromise on processor. we'll see next (?) week tho
[0:50] <gooseberry> yeah
[0:50] <daxroc> The two things it should do well are Browse and Email, They proved it can't browse in the keynote :D
[0:51] <Draylor> price on that is subsidised by amazon - to sell their content. thats "talk" among idiots as far as im concerned
[0:51] <BenO> Poor bastard demo'ing that...
[0:51] <daxroc> BenO: stuck in headlights
[0:52] <gooseberry> Draylor: google have got a ton of content to sell too, they really hate the idea of amazon forking android without the preloading google apps
[0:52] <Draylor> we'll see
[0:52] <Draylor> i cant see it happening
[0:52] <BenO> daxroc, "Here, it's a little flakey and broken but go out there and sell it to them like it is working!"
[0:52] <Draylor> if its cheap & doesnt suck i'll take one
[0:53] <Draylor> but im expecting to wait a few years yet before that happens :p
[0:53] <gooseberry> BenO: meh, it's beta software, bill gates had the same thing happen to him 10 years ago but he pulled it off.. he was just shit
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[0:53] <daxroc> BenO: But wait I have a spare just for this ocassion !
[0:55] <GabrialDestruir> Meh, Amazon isn't the only company that's basically forking Android without Google Apps.
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[0:56] <GabrialDestruir> Android e-readers are all the rage these days.
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[0:56] <daxroc> GabrialDestruir: @900K activations with Gapps I don't think they give a about others forking android (yet anyway)
[0:57] <GabrialDestruir> Not really sure why though, it just leads to people rooting said e-readers, and then a good majority of people going "Why do you want root on an e-ink screen it's pointless" etc etc
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[0:59] <gooseberry> the kindle fire isn't eink
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[1:02] <GabrialDestruir> Oh yea true.
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[1:03] <ReggieUK> gooseberry, Draylor, mind your language please :)
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[1:07] <Thorn_> yeah, gotta speak like your middle or upper class like get what i mean
[1:08] <Thorn_> you're
[1:08] <ReggieUK> :)
[1:08] <Thorn_> is it out yet
[1:08] <Thorn_> how long is the backlog now anyway?
[1:08] * ReggieUK slaps Thorn_ with the other pi
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[1:09] <ReggieUK> couple of months I Think but really, people keep ordering, so i wonder if it's actually that much of a backlog and how much is it people that have pre-ordered since?
[1:09] <Thorn_> i've had money for the past month or two but no opportunity to preorder
[1:10] <ReggieUK> which sounds wrong, not pre-ordering since release but registering interest
[1:11] <SpeedEvil> I've tried registering interest again on rswww
[1:11] <SpeedEvil> to see what happens
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[1:12] <notlistening> I registered intrest the day after the announcment about using third parties for dist and got mine a week ago now :)
[1:12] <ReggieUK> last time I saw any figures, there had been 85,000 rpi released into the wild
[1:12] <ReggieUK> and that was a week or so ago I think
[1:13] <D-side> that's great
[1:13] <notlistening> Well you'd think with that many there might be some decent projects starting up :/
[1:13] <gooseberry> the wild?
[1:13] <D-side> how many preorders?
[1:13] <D-side> meaning, how many orders vs number of units shipped
[1:13] <gooseberry> notlistening: more like 80k used for media centres
[1:14] <D-side> yeah that's unfortunately true
[1:14] <D-side> and i'm guilty of that
[1:14] <netman87> i want 10 RPi model b boards... ill make them all run virtual windows 95 without firewalls and anti-virus and leave them be
[1:14] <gooseberry> I'm not!!!
[1:14] <netman87> oh that would be so cool
[1:14] <Conic> netman87: that would be very very very slow
[1:14] <Moonlit> *a complete waste of time, money, energy and Pis
[1:14] <notlistening> gooseberry, I have mine as a media centre :P
[1:15] <Conic> ARM isn't exactly good at emulating x86
[1:15] <netman87> notlistening: they deliver them already?
[1:15] <notlistening> netman87, you will crash the internet
[1:15] <ReggieUK> I haven't even bothered trying to play video on mine properly
[1:15] <netman87> notlistening: i have my darkside
[1:15] <notlistening> netman87, yeah i am uk based though
[1:15] <gooseberry> netman87: you can't run win95 on arm, you'll need to use win ce
[1:15] <Thorn_> then you don't need yours... send it to me
[1:16] <Moonlit> gooseberry - I was going to say that, but I assume he means with QEMU/DOSBOX/whatever
[1:16] <Thorn_> you'll have to pay shipping though...
[1:16] <Moonlit> or he's joking
[1:16] <ReggieUK> I installed raspbmc, got bored of waiting for the gui to catch up and installed debian over the top
[1:16] <Moonlit> either/or
[1:16] <netman87> gooseberry: can u read it again... virtual
[1:16] <gooseberry> win ce is better anyway
[1:16] <netman87> well i didnt want better
[1:16] <Moonlit> that's questionable, but it's a decent enough OS for embedded devices
[1:16] <notlistening> ReggieUK, openelec is usable just :P
[1:16] <notlistening> ReggieUK, what class SD you using?
[1:17] <Moonlit> when I eventually get a Pi, I fully intended to make it a RISC OS laptop
[1:17] <gooseberry> I'm on my pi now
[1:17] <Moonlit> because what could be cooler?
[1:17] <gooseberry> Moonlit: Using the motorolla dock?
[1:17] <Moonlit> aye, gooseberry
[1:17] <Moonlit> got the Lapdock on the way now
[1:17] <netman87> FreeDOS based ARM mobilephone?
[1:17] <Moonlit> so it'll be ready for the Pi, whenever I get that
[1:17] <gooseberry> Moonlit: I think GabrialDestruir is doing the same thing
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[1:18] <DaQatz> netman87: You can not run Win95 in a VM on pi.
[1:18] <notlistening> lol are people just combining software project to see which is the funniest
[1:18] <ReggieUK> notlistening, I'm really not bothered, if I want to watch video, I can do it straight on my TV :)
[1:18] <Moonlit> gooseberry - yeah, I've seen a few examples of the same thing online, that's where I got the idea, though I've not seen anyone boot RISC OS on one yet
[1:18] <DaQatz> netman87: You would need to emulate
[1:18] <GabrialDestruir> i was going to do the laptop dock thing.
[1:18] <ReggieUK> my TV has got more codecs than the pi
[1:18] <DaQatz> netman87: Which would be very very slow
[1:18] <GabrialDestruir> Need to get my hands on a laptop dock first.
[1:18] <Moonlit> GabrialDestruir - yeah, supply seems to be diminishing, but where you can find them they do tend to be cheap
[1:18] <netman87> emulate CPU ... then its virtual PC? isnt it
[1:18] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir: moonlit is the opposite, he/she has the dock but no pi
[1:19] <ReggieUK> CR7451
[1:19] <notlistening> ReggieUK, true, openelec was just the fastest way to test out the majourity of the features on the board
[1:19] <Moonlit> gooseberry - he :P
[1:19] <ReggieUK> it might've been openelec I tried
[1:19] <GabrialDestruir> eh, my issue is I currently lack the fund for a laptop dock.
[1:19] <ReggieUK> not sure, wasn't bothered that much, just thought I'd give it a quick spin
[1:19] <ReggieUK> GabrialDestruir, same :D
[1:19] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir: paper route
[1:20] <notlistening> ReggieUK, same
[1:20] <GabrialDestruir> But I can't imagine with motorola apparently coming out with another atrix that they'll stop producing laptop docks.
[1:20] <notlistening> The Pi has some serious limitations
[1:20] <Moonlit> GabrialDestruir - I paid ?60 for mine, considering what you get that seems a good deal, but it's not often I have that much to throw at random stuff I can't even use when it arrives
[1:20] <notlistening> you get what you pay for
[1:20] <Moonlit> GabrialDestruir - there are new models of both the phones and the Lapdocks, there's the Lapdock 100 and 500
[1:21] <gooseberry> GabrialDestruir: motorola keep making bad decisions, and google have to keep hands off else they'll be accused of monopolizing
[1:21] <Moonlit> for newer phones
[1:21] <GabrialDestruir> Ah.
[1:21] <DaQatz> netman87: Virtual actually runs on the cpu, while emulated is completely software driven.
[1:21] <Moonlit> though I'm not quite sure why they keep changing the Lapdock design, all models should be compatible with all the phones, if not for the fact they keep rearranging the plugs/ports, for no reason
[1:21] <GabrialDestruir> I'm stuck with my Atrix for another year. lol
[1:21] <notlistening> The pi is a toy really for small and big kids :D
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[1:22] <gooseberry> notlistening: a silent little server for me
[1:22] <notlistening> gooseberry, yeah good use
[1:22] <Moonlit> notlistening - hey, if the original BBC Micros and Acorn Archimedes machines were enough to get kids inspired to compute, the Pi should be more than adequate
[1:22] <GabrialDestruir> I don't get that, it would seem the idea would be to make all devices compatible with this laptop dock idea if it's so great.
[1:23] <notlistening> Moonlit, yeah it is the same idea and long over due
[1:23] <Moonlit> yeah GabrialDestruir, all the Lapdocks do exactly the same thing with the same two connectors, but they're built differently so... some reason?
[1:23] <Moonlit> *for...
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[1:23] <gooseberry> more devices with pogo pins would be nice
[1:23] <GabrialDestruir> Well if the connectors are the same, the redesign for the lapdock could of been better hardware, or a 'better design"
[1:24] <Moonlit> I think pogopins are probably unnecessary for the Pi
[1:24] <gooseberry> Moonlit: I meant phones
[1:24] <Moonlit> GabrialDestruir - they did change the LCD in the new one, higher resolution I believe, the case is also slightly different, and the keyboard/trackpad are different
[1:24] <GabrialDestruir> Hm...
[1:24] <notlistening> for me its a media centre, portable computer for the Visually Impaired, brain of a cheap braille display i am working on for a charity
[1:24] <Moonlit> and the battery is smaller than the original I think
[1:25] <GabrialDestruir> Could be they're trying to create a better functionality, especially if it still works with the atrix.
[1:25] <Moonlit> GabrialDestruir - it doesn't, they rearranged the plugs, it'd still "work" but you'd need extension cables to plug it in
[1:25] <Moonlit> can't just dock it any more
[1:26] <Moonlit> but it doesn't do any more or less, it's just slightly differently designed
[1:26] <Moonlit> so really, they could've kept the plugs the same to retain compatibility
[1:26] <Moonlit> but no, that'd be too easy, and then people wouldn't buy the new ones
[1:27] <Moonlit> there's no technical reason why they should've rearranged the plugs
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[1:27] <Moonlit> I can't believe how expensive they were either
[1:28] <Moonlit> hundreds of dollars {or indeed pounds, I suppose}
[1:28] <notlistening> Has anyone done performance testing with different class SD cards?
[1:28] <GabrialDestruir> Yea that laptop docks are stupidly expensive considering that without the 600 USD phone, they're completely useless.
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[1:28] <GabrialDestruir> the*
[1:29] <gooseberry> notlistening: well every card was limited to 5mb/s until a week or so ago
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[1:31] <dmsuse> can i connect a thermal resistor to the pi and get a reading from it ?(gpio) ?
[1:32] <SpeedEvil> No.
[1:32] <SpeedEvil> You would need some interface.
[1:32] <SpeedEvil> Or some temperature sensor with its own digital interface
[1:32] <dmsuse> i have one with an lcd on it
[1:32] <notlistening> Gooseberry, was that a firmware update?
[1:32] <dmsuse> how would i get info from it?
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> dmsuse: Generally - point a camera at it
[1:33] <dmsuse> thats generally homosexual :P
[1:33] <gooseberry> yeah
[1:34] <SpeedEvil> TMost consumer decices do not have outputs
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[1:34] <dmsuse> :(
[1:35] <Dyskette> Could we not do the whole conflating gay with bad thing?
[1:35] <SpeedEvil> that too
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[1:36] <ebswift> i'm going to look at the temperature thing soon, there will be lots of cheap digital thermometer options
[1:36] <ebswift> then look at the interfacing
[1:36] <netman87> oh btw, how fast is that ARM 700MHz SoC RPi uses? compared to x86
[1:36] <Moonlit> quite slow
[1:37] <netman87> Pentium 200MHz?
[1:37] <Moonlit> also, there are I2C themistor interfaces
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[1:37] <Dyskette> "Like a pentium 2" I read on the website somewhere.
[1:37] <gooseberry> netman87: 8x slower than an atom at similar clock speeds
[1:37] <dmsuse> ebswift: good :)
[1:37] <Moonlit> you can't really compare an ARM with an x86 with any great accuracy
[1:38] <Moonlit> but don't expect to be running anything too hardcore on it
[1:38] <netman87> then how fast is cortex-a9 1.2GHz dualcore?
[1:38] <Moonlit> dmsuse - http://hackaday.com/2009/01/02/parts-i2c-digital-thermometer-tc74/
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[1:39] <netman87> like panda is using omap4000-series
[1:39] <DaQatz> netman87: A9 is pretty quick
[1:39] <ebswift> hah Moonlit, jees, 88 cents, i dunno ;)
[1:40] <ebswift> i'm looking more for one with a probe
[1:40] <Moonlit> ebswift - I know, I know, it's pushing the boat out, but it's worth the extra cost :P
[1:40] <ebswift> :D
[1:40] <dmsuse> Moonlit: thanks
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[1:42] <notlistening> latest openelec has has some massive performance imrovements over the last week
[1:43] <notlistening> I have tweaked it a little bit more with the default skin and its quite usuable
[1:43] <notlistening> useable
[1:44] <notlistening> things like the library mode for music used to be soo slow it is now faster saying snappy would be an over statement but its getting there
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[1:45] <notlistening> Hoping that video playback improves with a class 10 SD
[1:46] <notlistening> oh and i am cheaping running at 800mhz as well :P
[1:51] <GabrialDestruir> So far I've noticed the best video playback via network.
[1:51] <GabrialDestruir> I haven't tried video playback from the sdcard itself yet.
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[1:51] <Moonlit> aw, the pre-alpha RISC OS build doesn't seem to boot in QEMU
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[2:11] <Moonlit> is anybody else here actually interested in running RISC OS on the Pi?
[2:12] <Moonlit> haven't seen anyone really mention it
[2:12] <Moonlit> seems Linux is the flavour of the week
[2:12] <markbook> I'm guessing android is more likely to come before riscos
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[2:13] <Moonlit> I suppose Linux/Android is probably more useful for general computing, but the opportunity to run RISC OS natively on it is too good to pass up
[2:13] <markbook> I'm not actually familiar with anything current that runs on riscos.
[2:13] <Moonlit> especially given the comparisons to the Literacy Project machines
[2:13] <plugwash> the big question is why would one want to run riscos nowadays, the only real answers I can come up with are nostalgia and/or running legacy software
[2:13] <GabrialDestruir> Okay, it's official, apparently the only way I'll get rid of this trojan on my windows pc is a complete format -sighs-
[2:13] <plugwash> and the latter is highly tempred by the fact that it can't natively run older riscos apps because the software needs to be 32-bit clean
[2:14] <Moonlit> plugwash - I can't deny Linux is hugely more compatible and flexible, but RISC OS is a simple, small, friendly OS with a built in programming language, and it's hard to mess it up
[2:14] <Moonlit> also there are options for running 24bit apps
[2:14] <Moonlit> well, not for the Pi yet
[2:14] <Moonlit> but it's not impossible
[2:14] <plugwash> I don't even know if 32-bit versions of programs like pendown even exist
[2:14] <markbook> Sounds like you have an interest project :-)
[2:15] <plugwash> never mind where to get them
[2:15] <Moonlit> I'd guess not, plugwash, but there's a couple of potential methods for running the legacy stuff, like Aemulor
[2:15] <Moonlit> which I believe is being ported to the eee
[2:15] <Moonlit> er
[2:15] <GabrialDestruir> People still run 24bit apps?
[2:15] <Moonlit> Pi
[2:15] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[2:16] <Moonlit> GabrialDestruir - well, the thing with running RISC OS is, most of the software is 24bit because it was written for the ancient Acorn machines
[2:16] <Moonlit> so if you want a wide range of apps and games, you kinda have to support that
[2:16] <Moonlit> unless the apps you want are written in BASIC, anyway
[2:17] <Moonlit> which can easily be used on newer machines, because they're interpreted
[2:17] <Moonlit> and hey, you can run Linux on almost literally anything
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[2:17] <Cheery> Moonlit: linux input and video support could get some more love though
[2:17] <Moonlit> so a chance to run something else is nice now and then
[2:18] <Cheery> Moonlit: we'd need a total reconstruct on that area
[2:18] <Moonlit> Cheery - I'd think the groups developing Linux and RISC OS are probably fairly seperate
[2:18] <Cheery> Moonlit: I don't
[2:18] <Moonlit> there's already a pre-alpha build of RISC OS 5 for the Pi
[2:18] <Cheery> but then.. mostly separate is probably correct
[2:19] <Cheery> I continue a project today. :)
[2:19] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8155
[2:19] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if creating a second admin user, and then switching my main account to a non-admin account would prevent this trojan from breaking my firewall .-.
[2:19] <Moonlit> GabrialDestruir - tried safe mode?
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[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> I've tried Geek Squads MRI, nothing finds it.
[2:20] <GabrialDestruir> until it attacks, according to all scanners, it doesn't exist
[2:20] <notlistening> GabrialDestruir, the very reason i waved goodbye to windows years ago
[2:20] <Cheery> By the morning midnight.. my goal is to get an interpreter made, which is interpreting itself.
[2:20] <Cheery> I remember there's a word for this
[2:20] <Moonlit> Cheery - not something I'd use tbh, but cool nonetheless, might come in handy for some people
[2:20] <Moonlit> self-hosting?
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[2:20] <Cheery> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-circular_evaluator
[2:21] <Moonlit> or that
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[2:23] <Cheery> Moonlit: what do you think about it when you see it then?
[2:23] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, if I can't find a way to stop the firewall being crushed I'll probably switch to Linux.
[2:23] <plugwash> Moonlit, mmm if aemulor becomes available for the Pi at a reasonable price I think i'd likely buy it then try to find a way to get my old acorn software into it
[2:24] <Moonlit> Cheery - complicated stuff I have no use for :P
[2:24] <Cheery> Moonlit: I think most of the benefits in it are hard to explain, as they are in the programming language implementation side :D
[2:24] <Cheery> for example. it can make a python homoiconic language
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[2:24] <Moonlit> also, I meant 26bit software
[2:24] <Moonlit> dunno why I got 24bit in my head
[2:25] <Moonlit> plugwash - yeah, I believe it's being ported as we speak, and will likely be available for "a nominal fee"
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[2:25] <Moonlit> saw a discussion thread somewhere, possibly on ROOL forums
[2:26] <Cheery> Moonlit: my implementation isn't complicated btw.
[2:26] <Cheery> Moonlit: chances are it is simpler than many text editor implementations that tout themselves as simple. :)
[2:26] <Cheery> it was difficult to design it like this
[2:27] <Cheery> but overall the result of that design effort isn't complex or hard to understand.
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[2:32] <Cheery> but now
[2:32] <Cheery> good night
[2:32] <Moonlit> night
[2:32] <Cheery> tomorrow I'll make the next document model work like I meant to.
[2:33] <Moonlit> plugwash - though it obviously won't be perfect, even with Aemulor, having an Acorn laptop would be epic
[2:33] <Moonlit> {without emulation}
[2:33] <Moonlit> and a lot more modern than the A4 I don't own
[2:34] <plugwash> heh, /me bets that the acorn A4 is pretty rare
[2:34] <Moonlit> yeah, fairly, I don't know a great deal about it, like how many were sold, but I'm betting not too many
[2:35] <Moonlit> I owned what I believe was the Triumph-Adler x86 laptop the A4 chassis came from
[2:35] <Moonlit> but I've never seen an A4 in person
[2:37] <Moonlit> was quite a nice chassis actually, the paint was almost like a very thin rubberised/textured paint
[2:38] <Moonlit> though when it started flaking off, I tried to strip it down and had planned to polish up the steel{?} underneath for a metallic look, but then the laptop died, so my efforts were cut short
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[3:00] <FartsInElevator> How long should I wait after the dd command?
[3:00] <D-side> a while
[3:01] <D-side> it could take a very long time
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[3:01] <Moonlit> yeah, potentially hours
[3:01] <plugwash> you should wait for the command to finish, then you should run sync to make sure the changes aren't sitting in cache
[3:01] <FartsInElevator> so ps aux | grep dd?
[3:01] <FartsInElevator> okay, thank you
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[3:04] <Ben64> if you... "killall -SIGUSR1 dd" you can see stats
[3:04] <Ben64> 31809267200 bytes (32 GB) copied, 22.7967 s, 1.4 GB/s
[3:04] <Ben64> like so
[3:04] * SpeedEvil suspects that is not on the Pi.
[3:04] <Moonlit> lol
[3:05] <FartsInElevator> I see. Well it gave me the terminal back so I think it's done. Im making it for my pi on my thinkpad.
[3:06] <plugwash> yeah, now run sync to make sure it's not still sitting in the disc cache
[3:06] <plugwash> then when that completes you can remove the card and put it in your pi
[3:07] <Ben64> yeah the killall thing works anywhere
[3:07] <hamitron> ah shit, still not working
[3:07] <hamitron> errr, wrong channel
[3:07] <hamitron> sorry :/
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[3:10] <Syliss> hmm
[3:10] <_inc> yeaaaa, got nginx running
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[3:10] <_inc> now i need to make a guest book and web ring ;)
[3:11] <_inc> and an 'under construction' gif
[3:11] <Moonlit> angelfire or geocities? :P
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[3:11] <_inc> :D
[3:12] <_inc> remember 'that friend' on Myspace that plastered their profile with auto play music, animated gifs and terrible colour choices?
[3:12] <Moonlit> lol
[3:13] <Moonlit> it was like geocities, but even easier
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[3:14] <_inc> and when you went over their house one day to discover they were on AOL and Windows ME
[3:14] <Moonlit> hah
[3:14] <Moonlit> with 6 million viruses, natch
[3:18] <D34TH> whatchu know bout bonzai buddy
[3:19] <arthurdent> my raspberry pi doesn't start back up automatically after a reboot command...
[3:20] <Moonlit> D34TH - it's awesome, all the haxxorz use it
[3:20] <Moonlit> totally leet
[3:20] <arthurdent> I know it will run in wine, and on windows 7
[3:21] * D34TH is listening to Earth, Wind, and Fire - September
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[3:23] <Moonlit> lol arthurdent
[3:23] <arthurdent> what you mean you don
[3:23] <arthurdent> don't still use bonsai buddy?
[3:24] <arthurdent> how do you organize all of the files on your desktop or look for websites?
[3:24] <Moonlit> I use MyWebSearch toolbar, duh.
[3:27] <_inc> how many toolbars do you have installed on your IE6?
[3:27] <mikey_w> I just poke around.
[3:29] <Moonlit> _inc - put it this way, I can see two lines of text on any webpage
[3:29] <Moonlit> and it takes about 2 minutes to load even the simplest page
[3:29] <D34TH> about:blank
[3:29] <Moonlit> also IE freezes a lot, I can't imagine why
[3:29] <Milos> Did someone say IE6.
[3:30] <_inc> popup whack-a-mole
[3:30] <_inc> oh man, i loved it when Phoenix was released
[3:30] * Moonlit replace everyone's browsers with IE3 and turns the entire internet back to the stone age
[3:30] <_inc> I though tabs were amazing
[3:31] <_inc> then they called it firefox
[3:32] <D34TH> i though lynx was awesome
[3:32] <D34TH> telnet was better though
[3:32] <D34TH> and netcat
[3:33] <three14> phoenix 0.2 <3!
[3:33] <D34TH> netcat rc1
[3:34] <_inc> I missed out on BBS
[3:34] <_inc> it was like full duplex teletext
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[3:35] <D34TH> i did too
[3:35] <D34TH> <-- 18
[3:35] <D34TH> but, i did own a pc with a tapedrive
[3:35] <D34TH> and dos
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[3:35] <Moonlit> arachne ftw?
[3:35] <Moonlit> MSDOS browsing... with pictures!
[3:35] <D34TH> didnt have a modem
[3:35] <D34TH> D:
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[3:36] * Moonlit chucks a 28.8k modem at D34TH
[3:36] <D34TH> ill take 14.4k
[3:36] <Moonlit> still got any serial ports to plug it into? :P
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[3:37] <Moonlit> ow.
[3:37] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[3:37] <D34TH> even my current build has a serial port
[3:37] <D34TH> :D
[3:38] <D-side> one of these days
[3:38] * D34TH picks up the phone
[3:38] <D-side> it'd be nice to get an lirc compatible usb IR receiver
[3:38] <Arch-Cloud> with wheezy beta where do I go to turn on the console logging?
[3:38] <Moonlit> I can't even remember if my current desktop has one, but my last one did, and I got a USB serial cable for my netbook so I could play with stuff
[3:39] <Moonlit> and I have a USB TTL adapter somewhere too
[3:39] <Moonlit> for microcontroller/other TTL stuff
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[3:42] <D34TH> moonlit: ping of death
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[3:43] * SpeedEvil looks at the real serial connection on the computer he's using.
[3:43] <arthurdent> ok so, I just upgraded arch and now my raspberrypi won't boot...
[3:43] <Moonlit> D34TH - old school :P
[3:43] * D34TH is touching the pins on the serial connection
[3:43] * Moonlit busts out the Sub7 and BO2K
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[3:46] <arthurdent> nothing get's logged in /var/log, so it must be a pretty serious failure >_>
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[3:50] <IT_Sean> /clear/clear
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[3:50] * PiBot sets mode +v Bhaal
[3:50] <IT_Sean> belgum
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[3:52] <arthurdent> ok i plugged it into a tv, the raspberry pi bootlogo shows up but that's it.
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[4:37] <Arch-Cloud> anyone here know how to enable the console messages? like when you plug in a usb device or eth cable? i changed the sysctl.conf and commented out the kernel.printk line...is there anything else i need to do?
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[4:39] <D34TH> isnt it dmesg
[4:39] * D34TH forgets
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[4:50] <bnmorgan> would be any problem with having multiple sd cards with multiple OS's on them vor the various purpoouses
[4:50] <bnmorgan> like one with the darkelec on it
[4:50] <bnmorgan> one with debian
[4:50] <bnmorgan> etc
[4:52] <Moonlit> that's absolutely possible, and in fact encouraged
[4:52] <SpeedEvil> bnmorgan: Other than having to shutdown cleanly, nope
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[4:53] <des2> why would therr be a problem?
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[4:55] <Arch-Cloud> i dont see how thats even possible.....you need to have a boot partition which only controls one image at a time.....unless you can get grub working to point to various boot partitions and there corresponding root levels
[4:55] <Arch-Cloud> D34TH: nothing being logged to dmesg
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[4:56] <D34TH> check UART?
[4:56] <Arch-Cloud> uart?
[4:56] <D34TH> serial console
[4:56] <Arch-Cloud> where is that located?
[4:57] <D34TH> ls /dev/tty*
[4:58] <D34TH> berb
[4:58] <Arch-Cloud> i see alot
[4:58] <bnmorgan> no, i mean swapping SD cards to suit the purpose
[4:58] <bnmorgan> shutting down is fine.
[4:59] <SpeedEvil> There is absolutely no state stored on the Pi, other than the SD card
[4:59] <des2> it doesn't even have a bios
[4:59] <Arch-Cloud> bnmorgan: ohh i miss read that....yeah i have like 5 sd cards with different images
[5:00] <bnmorgan> i need to find a good source for cards
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[5:20] <Syliss> me too
[5:20] <D34TH> 'mericuh
[5:21] <Syliss> i also need to do a boot loader for my 64mb sd card
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[5:22] <SpeedEvil> I actually have a 32M card in daily use.
[5:22] <Syliss> really?
[5:22] <SpeedEvil> Stupid use.
[5:22] <SpeedEvil> I got a printer.
[5:22] <SpeedEvil> It sort-of-has a linux driver.
[5:22] <Syliss> ah
[5:23] <SpeedEvil> But I can't be bothered to work out the prerequisites.
[5:23] <Syliss> i want to run off my wd usb drive
[5:23] <SpeedEvil> So I'm printing to SD, then popping it in the printer.
[5:25] <Syliss> what do u have on the sd card?
[5:25] <Moonlit> I'm pretty sure I have a 16MB xD card around here somewhere
[5:25] <Moonlit> maybe I should get an adapter
[5:26] <Syliss> well i know it just needs a boot loader, but I'm too lazy atim
[5:26] <Syliss> atm*
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[5:31] <ReggieUK> uboot is being done
[5:32] <ReggieUK> for the pi
[5:32] <ReggieUK> and g;nightall
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[7:13] <Arch1mede> anyone running the wheezy beta?
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[8:14] <Slippern> finally got my PI :)
[8:15] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps!
[8:15] <gordonDrogon> Slippern, well don't just chat about it, get it plugged in, turned on, etc. :)
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[8:21] <Slippern> all ready done that :P
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[8:26] <Arch1mede> Slippern: what did you wind up picking as the dist?
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[9:20] <_inc> goooooood morningggggg
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[9:57] <kghost> handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK" errors and device resets in /var/log/messages. Low speed devices such as keyboards work OK, wifi/mass storage is unreliable or broken.
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[9:58] <kghost> is it caused by usb currency limit ? can I fix it by short F1/F2 ?
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[10:09] <Milos|Netbook_> Hey gordonDrogon :)
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> kghost, it's possible your problems are caused by power - the USB ports are limited to 140mA each... Try your devices off a separate pwoered hub?
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> What Ho, Milos|Netbook_
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Shame I don't have a blurry player: http://www.reghardware.com/2012/06/25/review_the_beatles_yellow_submarine/
[10:10] <Draylor> power is to raspberry pi what "reboot" is to windows :D
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> nor an HD TV, etc ...
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[10:17] <kghost> I'm already using a powered USB hub, maybe the hub is sinking too much power from Pi
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> kghost, it needs to be a hub with its own power supply! If it has it's own PSU then it won't sink anything from the Pi.
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[10:24] <gordonDrogon> or it shouldn't. However one thing that's becoming apparent to me is there there appears to be a huge variation in the quality of USB hubs. Also that USB is utterly rubbish in general terms )-:
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> however it's all we have on the Pi for now, so we need to make the most of it!
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[10:27] <feitingen> gordonDrogon: try getting the openpandora and you will really hate the cheap usb crap
[10:28] <Demp> overscan_ values in the config.txt file aren't doing anything, I set them all to 0 and the resolution to my screen's native res ant there are still thick black edges. any ideas?
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[10:32] <feitingen> Demp: what does xrandr say your resolution is?
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[10:34] <Demp> feitingen: 1504x1104 (config.txt has these values: hdmi_drive=1 hdmi_group=2 hdmi_mode=51)
[10:34] <Demp> and overscan_* set to 0
[10:34] <Demp> oh and the native res is 1600x1200
[10:34] <_inc> disable_overscan=0
[10:35] <_inc> (so long as the monitor does not try its own processing)
[10:35] <_inc> disable_overscan=1 even
[10:35] <BCMM> my Pi just arrived in the post! I have a couple of questions.
[10:36] <BCMM> what's the current thinking on suitable SD cards? is there a page somewhere listing good and bad ones? i seem to remember such a thing but i can't remember where.
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> BCMM, just try what you have to-hand. You might be lucky.
[10:37] <_inc> BCMM: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[10:37] <frankivo> BCMM: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[10:37] <frankivo> :)
[10:37] <_inc> but yea
[10:37] <_inc> some of the info there is bs
[10:37] <BCMM> gordonDrogon: i only have a 2gb micro to hand, and no micro adaptor
[10:37] <BCMM> so i guess i'm buying specially
[10:37] <_inc> non-working cards sometimes work, and voice-oversa
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[10:37] <Demp> _inc: thanks, it works!
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[10:37] <Hourd> 2GB is a tad small
[10:38] <_inc> Demp: no problem. had the same issue myself
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[10:38] <BCMM> Hourd: also, it's a microSD card and i have no adaptor
[10:38] <BCMM> so something is getting bought specially
[10:38] <BCMM> _inc, frankivo: thx
[10:38] <Hourd> i just bought an 8GB kodak class 6 from the local photo shop and it works fine
[10:39] <BCMM> somewhere i've seen benchmarking of various SD cards (revealing, iirc, that the classes are often BS) - anybody got a link?
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[10:39] <_inc> yea a, the only one that doesn't work for me was one i got in 2005 or something
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[10:40] <BCMM> also, i've got a couple of laptop SATA drives i was thinking of hooking up to the Pi for some more serious storage - anybody else doing something like that? got a recommendation for an adaptor?
[10:40] <Hourd> ooo i would also like to knwo this ^
[10:40] <Hourd> *know
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[10:41] <BCMM> i *think* some laptop hard drives can run off 5v only you see
[10:42] <dmsuse> im sure there are some usb to sata converters on ebay :P
[10:42] <Hourd> interesting
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[10:42] <Hourd> i find usb sata converters a bit dodgey at the best of times, let alone on a Pi
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[10:43] <dmsuse> i just bought a 64gb usb stick for 15 quid
[10:43] <_inc> Hourd: how do you suppose usb hard drives work?
[10:43] <dmsuse> don't see the point in sata drives now
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[10:43] <BCMM> Hourd: really? lots of people use USB hard disks, which are typically just an enclosure + USB sata controller
[10:43] <_inc> some adapters will be bad but some will not
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[10:44] <BCMM> dmsuse: video
[10:44] <dmsuse> video?
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[10:44] <Hourd> i've obviously had bad adapters and even sone usb HDDs have issue (for me)
[10:44] <BCMM> dmsuse: i already have 61 GB of video i want to put on the system
[10:45] <dmsuse> well the 128gb was only like 25 quid :P
[10:45] <Hourd> although all my WD ones work perfectly
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[10:47] <BCMM> also, i already have a dead laptop with good drives
[10:47] <Hourd> why are IDE 2.5" drives so expensive btw?
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[10:47] <BCMM> Hourd: supply and demand
[10:48] <Hourd> yeah :(
[10:48] <Hourd> got an old thinkpad with a broken drive
[10:48] <BCMM> it'll be like how old RAM is expensive even though it's old tech
[10:48] <Hourd> everything else is fine
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, sata is a much more efficient interface than usb.
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[10:48] <BCMM> laptops don't get upgraded as much as desktops
[10:48] <BCMM> desktop IDE is still selling for upgrades to old machines. laptop ide nothing like as much
[10:48] <Hourd> just want to revive my thinkpad :(
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[10:49] <gordonDrogon> Hourd, stick an SSD in it ..
[10:49] <dmsuse> more efficient than usb3? :p
[10:49] <Hourd> gordonDrogon: if i bought an SSD it will be going in my current thinkpad :P
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, from what I gather, the interface between bus and memory is more efficient.
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> Hourd, I moved to SSD for my desktop a few months back.
[10:50] <dmsuse> it doesn't really matter anyway, no drive is fast enough to make the most of it
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> just a 64MB one - the bulk of the data is on the filestore with spinning drives..
[10:50] <Hourd> gordonDrogon: MB?
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> er GB!
[10:50] <Hourd> :P
[10:50] <Hourd> thats some crazy small OS you have there
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> /dev/sda1 56G 21G 33G 39% /
[10:51] <Hourd> but modern standards anyway
[10:51] <Hourd> *by
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> I'm not a huge data user. don't realyl store videos, music, etc.
[10:51] <Hourd> I do but its all on my server
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[10:52] <Hourd> like my attic is full of DVDs Blurays, and they are all just ripped and stored on my server for easy access
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[10:52] <gordonDrogon> yea, I have a server & backups, etc. my and my wife both use it.
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[10:53] <Hourd> as soon as i can netflix properly on linux i'm sorted for media
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[11:00] <feitingen> Hourd: just fyi, most routers can fit a nice little linux install in 4MB
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> feitingen, once upon a time you could do it on a 1.4MB floppy :)
[11:01] <Hourd> true but you wouldnt run that on your laptop...
[11:02] <Hourd> well you might..
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[11:08] <phire> I saw a few worth while 2 floppy installs
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[11:10] <phire> well, worthwhile being a subjective term
[11:11] <Hourd> ;)
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[11:11] <phire> but I had a linux 2.6 based router that only had 1mb of flash and 2mb of ram
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[11:12] <phire> I was seriously impressed with that one.
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[11:12] <Hourd> semi-random question. know of any half-decent open adsl routers?
[11:13] <rm> ADSL is a legacy technology
[11:13] <frankivo> also, slow :P
[11:13] <rm> you'd be better off getting an absolutely dumb cheapest ADSL-modem (which you might already have), putting it into the Bridge mode,
[11:13] <rm> then placing any non-ADSL router you like behind it
[11:13] <phire> but only if your isp does PPPoE
[11:14] <Hourd> well i have a selection of belkin adsl and cable modem/routers
[11:14] <rm> what else can they do, either PPPoE or plain EthernetOverATMwhatever
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[11:14] <Hourd> G, G+, G+ MIMO and N
[11:14] <phire> PPPoA
[11:14] <rm> in both cases this scheme will work
[11:14] <Hourd> for wireless
[11:14] <phire> which doesn't bridge
[11:14] <rm> hmm ok
[11:14] <phire> my ISP recomends the fritzbox http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/index.php
[11:15] <phire> which is some kind of bouquet router company
[11:15] <Hourd> hmmm
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[11:15] <Hourd> just wanted to be able to do what i like with the router, including traffic monitoring/statistics as standard off the shelf ones dont seem to have any nice features
[11:15] <phire> does ipv6 out of the box
[11:15] <rm> boutique maybe? :D
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[11:16] <phire> rm, sure
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[11:17] <Hourd> that fritzbox looks nice, seem to remember it being featured in Linux Format a while ago
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[11:25] <gordonDrogon> Hourd, I don't know any that have the ADSL modem on-board unless you're willing to buy an expensive ADSL PCI card and make your own...
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[11:25] <gordonDrogon> Hourd, I used Drayek Vigor 120's as the modem part, then linux based kit for the pppoe/routing/firewall part.
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[11:27] <Hourd> well i'm willing to build something. Its for my flat which consists of 2 computer science students. but neither of us are very good at networking hardware
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[11:35] <gordonDrogon> Hourd, just buy a commercial router.
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[11:36] <Hourd> the area we are moving to only just has adsl2+... maybe
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> Hourd, AAISP are now selling/recommending the Technicolor TG582n WiFi router... Since they're a geeky ISP, I reckon that the kit the recommend is going to be very good...
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> I've used Drayteks in the past, but they're expensive and probably over features for what you want.
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[11:37] <Hourd> cheers :)
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> although the Billion 7800's are OK too - but in the ?105 range IIRC.
[11:38] <Hourd> last yeah my flatmade had an old linksys router running openwrt which was good
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[11:38] <Hourd> but couldnt handle the load from all our machines very well
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> it's a fine balancing act - if you've got the 'geek' then go the separates route - which I do, so I have a modem, Linux router (5 ethernet ports!) and 2 separate wi-fi access points
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[11:39] <gordonDrogon> coffee time...
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[11:39] <Hourd> yeah we had modem + router(within integrated wireless ap)
[11:40] <haltdef> dg834gt modem, wndr4000 wifi, wnr3500l router
[11:40] <haltdef> plus many switches
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[11:45] <Hourd> hmmmm
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[11:51] <frankivo> hmmm?
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[11:53] <Slippern> Arch1mede: atm moment im testing xbmc on it, but i want to use the PI in my car, so i think Android when the devs have a stable version..
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[11:54] <Draylor> in car? interesting
[11:54] <Draylor> whats the plan?
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[11:57] <Slippern> the plan is to buy a shitload of usb devices (3g/LTE, gps, wifi etc) and getting them to work.. and a nice 8-9" touch screen :P
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[11:58] <Hourd> Slippern: wire the gps into the gpio?
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[12:03] <Slippern> Hourd: maybe, is the gps-module for sale?
[12:03] <Hourd> no idea i was just thinking a standard one..
[12:04] <Hourd> i have one hooked up to an arduino pro-micro
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[12:05] <Slippern> hmm okei :)
[12:06] <WASDx> How large is the package from farnell? I just realized my mailbox is small
[12:06] <Hourd> it can be fun :) it can be a headache
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[12:06] <Hourd> WASDx: too big for a letterbox
[12:06] <Jck_true> WASDx: It's pretty big - Tall I'll measure 5sec
[12:07] <Slippern> my package from RS was small.. :P
[12:07] <Jck_true> 6cm tall + bubble envolope
[12:07] <WASDx> My mailbox is 10cm at best on the smallest side
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[12:07] <WASDx> so 6cm should fit
[12:07] <Jck_true> 13cm x 10cm x 6cm
[12:07] <Jck_true> In a large bubble envolope
[12:08] <WASDx> thanks, that may fit unless we get other mail too
[12:09] <Slippern> 15mb/s writespeed to my sdcard...
[12:09] <Jck_true> DHL delivered it to me so
[12:09] <WASDx> Slippern: Mine has 13, but 24 read
[12:09] <Jck_true> Slippern: I'm stuck with 3mb/s - Haven't tried the new debian image yet so
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[12:10] <Slippern> i bought a 32gb Lexar card.. :P
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[12:11] <WASDx> I'm keeping an eye out for the mailman now. They usually come around 13:00 which is in 50 minutes
[12:11] <Slippern> if he tries to run, shoot him! :)
[12:12] <WASDx> My package was shipped on thursday and at best I'll get it today. If not then this week
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[12:13] <Hourd> i hate mailmen that dont even get the package out of the van, they just walk to the door, stand there then put a notice through
[12:13] <Hourd> anoyingly common here
[12:13] <WASDx> ugh
[12:14] <WASDx> hopefully they don't carelessly throw packages. There are videos of that on youtube
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[12:17] <Hourd> I've had some stuff for my tablet just left out in the rain
[12:17] <Hourd> by the delivery man
[12:18] <Mr_Sheesh> Ack.
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[12:33] <WASDx> this tortoise just went extinct :( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelonoidis_nigra_abingdoni
[12:34] <Tachyon`> aye, saw that on the BBC -.-
[12:34] <Tachyon`> oh wait, no, it was pharyngula
[12:35] <WASDx> Even more extinctions? :(
[12:36] <WASDx> I miss http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo
[12:36] <WASDx> went extinct 400 years ago
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[12:42] * dwatkins wonders if the tortoise species was partly named after Abingdon, Oxon
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[13:00] <ghallberg> Hey, my r_pi doesn't want to reboot when I runs "shutdown -r now"
[13:00] <Veryevil> try sudo reboot
[13:00] <ghallberg> It gets to "Restarting", then the screen powers down but it doesn't power up again.
[13:00] <ghallberg> I will :)
[13:01] <Arch1mede> i didnt know they were making android for the pi
[13:01] <Veryevil> where have you found that out?
[13:02] <Arch1mede> i read from here...someone said they were waiting to run android on the pi
[13:02] <Arch1mede> Slippern> Arch1mede: atm moment im testing xbmc on it, but i want to use the PI in my car, so i think Android when the devs have a stable version..
[13:02] <BenO> Is anyone working on Boot-to-Gecko?
[13:02] <BenO> I've asked around the moz developers I know, but they drew a blank
[13:02] <Veryevil> I didnt think any devs were working on android?
[13:03] <Arch1mede> i didnt think they were either
[13:05] <ghallberg> Veryevil: No go, still the same result.
[13:06] * SpeedEvil wants boot to lynx.
[13:06] <BenO> ghallberg, 'sudo reboot' doesn't eventually reboot?
[13:06] <Veryevil> what version you using?
[13:06] <ghallberg> BenO: Not that I can see, the screen shutdown and ssh doesn't get back up.
[13:07] <ghallberg> Veryevil: Version of what? :)
[13:07] <Veryevil> What distro>
[13:07] <BenO> ghallberg, and IP address is static for the Pi?
[13:07] <ghallberg> Debian, stable. (not wheezy beta)
[13:08] <ghallberg> BenO: It's DHCP, but the router is set up to give it the same every time.
[13:08] <ghallberg> And if I pull the power and start that way it's fine.
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[13:09] <BenO> ghallberg, is it in a position where you can watch the LED status lights while attempting a reboot?
[13:09] <ghallberg> I could do that, hold on.
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[13:10] <ghallberg> But I'm updating firmware right now, so hold on :)
[13:10] <BenO> ie what does the OK light do :)
[13:10] <BenO> ghallberg, ah, okay :)
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[13:11] <ghallberg> Ok, let's see.
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[13:13] <ghallberg> huh, guess the firmware update did it.
[13:15] <BenO> The low-level bootup has been improved in various updates since launch - maybe this had an effect :)
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[13:15] <ghallberg> Thanks for the help anyway.
[13:15] <ghallberg> Booting faster now too I think.
[13:15] <ghallberg> Guess I'll disconnect the screen again.
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[13:22] <RITRedbeard_> hullo
[13:22] <RITRedbeard_> MystX, any luck lately with LVDS research?
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[13:28] <MystX> RITRedbeard_: I just finished my exams man. haven't even looked at it
[13:29] <RITRedbeard_> it seems to be a pain
[13:29] <RITRedbeard_> any solution is more likely more expensive than the Pi itself but I've moved on to faster/GPL friendier/more power efficient pastures.
[13:30] <RITRedbeard_> Which of course is the Allwinner A10.
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[13:32] <MystX> yeah i might tinker with it over the next few weeks
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[13:33] <RITRedbeard_> I know you were one of the few who were actually interested in it.
[13:33] <Arch1mede> RITRedbeard_: is that the mk802?
[13:33] <RITRedbeard_> I'm busy still pinning out the matrix to Thinkpad keyboard
[13:33] <RITRedbeard_> Yeah, I went for the MK802 but the wait is quite a bit, probably will ship within a week or so...
[13:34] <Arch1mede> RITRedbeard_: how is it more friendlier/more powr effecient? you going to stick ubuntu on it or keep with android?
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[13:35] <RITRedbeard_> There are a lot of problems that are related to Pi problems/weird boot process... etc...
[13:35] <RITRedbeard_> I hear it can clock way down.
[13:35] <RITRedbeard_> I'm not sure how without causing problems with signal propegation delay/underbuffer
[13:36] <RITRedbeard_> but I don't know the architecture too well, so, people with the systems tell me it's possible
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[13:38] <RITRedbeard_> my usecase is different than one typically has with RPi though, so, take heed.
[13:38] <RITRedbeard_> would be nice to be able to access some of the GPIO on MK802, technically possible
[13:38] <RITRedbeard_> but good luck getting access to the pins and breaking them out
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[13:39] <NucWin> Grrrrr I get my pi delivered while im working away now im home and have pi in hand my internet goes down
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[13:40] * PiBot sets mode +v overrider
[13:41] <RITRedbeard_> I have a similar problem with these keyboards and flexible PCB
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[13:41] <ebswift> NucWin i felt that way when i finally decided to work on the pi and raspbmc was being DDOS'd
[13:41] <Arch1mede> NucWin: how are you on irc?
[13:41] <RITRedbeard_> the leads are like some sort of metal that are fading away
[13:41] <RITRedbeard_> so I need to find some sort of electroconductive glue and fix that up right
[13:42] <NucWin> Mobile but I've already nailed my data limits being away for a week
[13:43] <Arch1mede> NucWin: doh
[13:43] <NucWin> I would wifi to laptop cat5 to pi but think Vodafone charge ??5 per 250MB over my 500 allowance
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[13:45] <ebswift> from someone who has had rather large bills attempting such stuff, 'don't do it'
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[13:46] <ebswift> to be fair though, i think i copped around $1 per mb
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[13:46] <NucWin> Pay that while roaming but little cheaper at home
[13:47] <NucWin> doesn't work quite often though
[13:48] <ebswift> i pay for more data than i would generally need, but it easily offsets one mistake in a whole year :/
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[13:48] <Habbie> does the raspberry have a TPM chip?
[13:49] <Habbie> probably not :)
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[13:50] <NucWin> Hahahahahahaha tpm that's cheered me up a little
[13:50] <Habbie> good :)
[13:50] <Habbie> there's a guy here who built a HSM for $35
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[13:50] <Habbie> so someone suggested a Pi instead
[13:51] <NucWin> Hsm?
[13:51] <Habbie> hardware security module
[13:51] <Habbie> a device that stores keys, does not allow extracting but does allow use (sign/encrypt)
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[13:52] <mjr> a pi isn't probably very handy for that
[13:53] <Habbie> if it had a tpm it would be great for it, apparently
[13:54] <RITRedbeard_> well the architecture has special instructions for some sort of encryption, right?
[13:54] <RITRedbeard_> I forget which
[13:55] <Habbie> sure, but that doesn't help you protect your keys
[13:56] <NucWin> Might be able to link tpm chip over one of the interfaces
[13:56] <Habbie> coul be
[13:56] <Habbie> *could
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[13:56] <NucWin> Ffs I just went to Google on my laptop but that's not gonna work when the internet is down
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[13:58] <Arch1mede> lol
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[14:00] <Hourd> google always works
[14:00] <Hourd> its magic
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[14:02] <WASDx> Nothing in the mailbox today :/
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[14:06] <Jck_true> Well you just need the RaspPi to run the encryption right?
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[14:08] <gooseberry> NucWin: you need internet to use irc too
[14:09] <NucWin> On my mobile
[14:09] <gooseberry> mobiles have google too
[14:09] <NucWin> I know
[14:10] <gooseberry> just turn on wifi hotspot
[14:10] <gooseberry> and tether off your phone
[14:11] * Jck_true looks at his 2005 dumbphone and then looks at gooseberry - tethering? WiFi? What are thoose words?
[14:11] <gooseberry> Jck_true: he's already got irc, tethering isn't much of a jump
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[14:19] <NucWin> I've been using mobile inet on laptop since my t39 cba to Google the year
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[14:24] <gooseberry> the twin-engine supersonic jet fighter?
[14:24] <Cheery> I'm sort of sad about those python demos in debian directory
[14:24] <Cheery> and the performance of pygame in raspi
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[14:25] <NucWin> Sony Ericsson it had Bluetooth
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[14:27] <ponky> Lo. any ideas why my microsoft ( :/ ) wireless mouse / keyboard -combo doesn't work on rpbi?
[14:27] <ponky> key presses and clicks register very rarely
[14:28] <Cheery> not even through powered hub?
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[14:31] <ponky> Cheery: dont have one so can't test it out
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[14:38] <PReDiToR> Does anyone have a sane and current cmdline.txt please?
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[14:38] <frankivo> PReDiToR: sould work empty :p
[14:40] <PReDiToR> frankivo - I've not edited it since first install except to add a MAC. So nothing in there is essential?
[14:41] <frankivo> not that i know off
[14:41] <frankivo> I've only set some overscan options
[14:41] <frankivo> but those are far from essential
[14:41] <PReDiToR> frankivo - Running headless they won't be important to me. Thanks.
[14:41] <frankivo> your welcome :)
[14:41] <frankivo> you're*
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[14:46] <Slippern> anyone know when android is released to rpi?
[14:47] <NucWin> When it goes on a diet to play nice with <256MB ram
[14:47] <RITRedbeard_> Oooh. :)
[14:48] <Veryevil> prob wont
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[14:49] <PReDiToR> If you want to give all your information to GOOG you don't have to use your beautiful Raspberry Pi, you can just use the search bar on Chrome as a journal =)
[14:49] <PReDiToR> OUCH! Who threw that tinfoil?
[14:49] <RITRedbeard_> Thank you for saying that so I didn't have to.
[14:49] <NucWin> I have big bag of components on way to play with gpio yay
[14:50] <RITRedbeard_> Also, on my TODO list is to ditch gmail accounts.
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[14:53] <bau-> hi all, I just received a raspberry pi and installed debian squeeze, but I have a problem with the screen resolution it's very low and I can't change it, how can I fix it?
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[14:55] <mrtime> I received the board today! :D
[14:55] <mrtime> Can't wait to go home xD
[14:55] <gooseberry> RITRedbeard_why?
[14:55] <mrtime> What was the first thing you did with you Raspberry PI's?
[14:56] <BenO> Spend 2 hours trying to find an SD card that it would boot with ;)
[14:56] <three14_2> mrtime, took pics?
[14:56] <three14_2> then unboxes it
[14:56] <three14_2> unboxed*
[14:56] <gooseberry> mrtime: fiddling try the config.txt for ages trying to get overscan right
[14:57] <mrtime> No, it's waiting at home for me to open it ;)
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[14:57] <mrtime> config.txt?
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[14:58] <gooseberry> mrtime: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[15:00] <three14_2> yuck. some girl came to work and she's deathly ill. i got her damned flu a month ago. first time i'd ever been sick during the late-spring/early-summer
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[15:00] <three14_2> "Oh I'm not contagious!"
[15:00] <three14_2> yea, whatever
[15:00] <gooseberry> three14_2: shoot the zombies in te head
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[15:01] <three14_2> believe me, i wouldn't hesitate.
[15:01] <three14_2> about ready to go home.
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[15:02] <mrtime> Isn't there a default config
[15:02] <mrtime> ?
[15:02] <gooseberry> her supervisor should have sent her home, it's much worse for the business if she ends up infecting others
[15:02] <BenO> mrtime, It will guess your tv settings, but often doesn't quite get it right
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[15:03] <gooseberry> mrtime: It's blank by default. But it will work without it, it's just some of the settings might need changing
[15:03] <BenO> gooseberry, typhoid maries
[15:03] <three14_2> gooseberry, thank you! i say this over and over again. why else would all major news outlets, the FDA, CDC, etc, etc all suggest you stay home. I do.
[15:03] <three14_2> I'm tempted to go home myself.
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[15:05] <gooseberry> three14_2: you need to get one of these, http://bepast.org/docs/photos/ebola/CDC_biosafety_suit.jpg
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[15:06] <gooseberry> have you seen the film contagion?
[15:06] <gooseberry> it's quite good
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[15:07] <D-side> yeah contagion was great
[15:08] <D-side> i'm not going to drop any spoilers at all but
[15:08] <D-side> i was impressed with gwyneth paltrow's performance
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[15:08] <gooseberry> yeah, the hyperlink narrative was a nice change
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[15:09] <D-side> i liked it because it was a "disaster" movie that seemed far more plausible than most others
[15:09] <gooseberry> we need a fallout movie
[15:09] <D-side> if you mean the game
[15:09] <Hourd> fallout would be cool
[15:09] <D-side> i say we dont
[15:09] <D-side> because no one would get it right
[15:10] <D-side> the game fanboys would rage
[15:10] <frankivo> D-side: what movie?
[15:10] <D-side> and it would be dpressing overall
[15:10] <BenO> Uwe Boll. Nuff said
[15:10] <D-side> BenO: right.
[15:10] <D-side> this guy gets it.
[15:10] <three14_2> gooseberry, while those suits look badass, i'm just gonna go home. haha.
[15:10] <gooseberry> D-side: Yeah. but it would be great if they did get it right. They could even feature some of the crazy vault-tech experiments
[15:10] <D-side> gooseberry: limited interest though. i think as a whole the general public wouldn't care one bit
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[15:11] <D-side> which is why scifi movies are terrible lately
[15:11] <D-side> see: Prometheus :(
[15:11] <nemo> https://github.com/rwldrn/johnny-five - this seemed kinda neat - serial programming + node.js
[15:11] <gooseberry> Have you seen moon? They could do something similar to that and make it the whole thing inside a vault
[15:12] <nemo> is there by any chance any similar project for RPI yet?
[15:12] <nemo> seems it should be even easier to implement
[15:12] <D-side> gooseberry: okay so
[15:12] <D-side> Moon is, in my opinion, one of the best sci fi films of the last decade
[15:13] <D-side> maybe 15 years.
[15:13] <D-side> anyone who hasn't seen it absolutely should.
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[15:13] <gooseberry> Yeah, such a shame the guys second film sucked
[15:13] <Habbie> Moon++
[15:13] <D-side> what was it?
[15:13] <gooseberry> I think it was source code
[15:13] <D-side> never saw it
[15:13] <D-side> i heard people liked it
[15:13] <BenO> Moon++ indeed!
[15:13] <gooseberry> bleh
[15:13] <RITRedbeard_> They ought to make a movie based on Neuromancer, except they'd probably screw it up.
[15:13] <BenO> Source code was... a good concept
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[15:14] <D-side> RITRedbeard_: i think that's another example of limited appeal
[15:14] <D-side> RITRedbeard_: besides they tried
[15:14] <D-side> sorta
[15:14] <RITRedbeard_> Have they?
[15:14] <D-side> Johnny Mnemonic
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[15:14] <D-side> which i know was a PKD story
[15:14] <RITRedbeard_> I was thinking of that.
[15:14] <D-side> but close enough
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[15:14] <RITRedbeard_> No, it was Gibson.
[15:15] <RITRedbeard_> Kinda the pre-quel/brickwork for the Sprawl trilogy.
[15:15] <BenO> I'm hoping that the Shadowrun reboot might kick something off :) (I can be optimistic, right?)
[15:15] <RITRedbeard_> I thought it wasn't a particularly good movie but it was entertaining and great to watch.
[15:15] <RITRedbeard_> You mean the FPS reboot? Didn't they just reboot an isometric game to FPS?
[15:15] <gooseberry> ooo apparently he's going to make a bladerunner-inspired film set in a future berlin
[15:16] <RITRedbeard_> Oh yeah, Syndacate.
[15:16] <RITRedbeard_> They took the Syndicate franchise name and used it for a FPS.
[15:16] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1613260297/shadowrun-returns
[15:16] <RITRedbeard_> It was like, what the hell is this?
[15:16] <RITRedbeard_> Why even use the name Syndicate?
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[15:17] <ReggieUK> http://hackaday.com/2012/06/25/sprite_tm-connects-an-lcd-to-a-tiny-linux-board/
[15:17] <D-side> RITRedbeard_: no, i mean Johnny Mnemonic was PKD i think
[15:17] <ReggieUK> funny that, these are exactly the type of screen I've been mentioning :)
[15:17] <D-side> i know Neuromancer was gibson
[15:17] <RITRedbeard_> D-side, that's negative.
[15:17] <D-side> RITRedbeard_: huh really
[15:17] <RITRedbeard_> Johnny Mnemonic is a Gibson short story.
[15:17] <D-side> well. $#%&
[15:18] <RITRedbeard_> It's the pre-Neuromancer
[15:18] <D-side> is it worth reading?
[15:18] <RITRedbeard_> Even the female in Neuromancer references a "Johnny"
[15:18] <RITRedbeard_> she's a razor girl, you know? street samurai
[15:18] <RITRedbeard_> not sure
[15:18] <D-side> i've never read a single scrap of gibson
[15:18] <RITRedbeard_> I haven't read it, just seen the Keanu movie. Way back when.
[15:18] <RITRedbeard_> I think it aired on TV or something without commericals in the late 90s.
[15:18] <BenO> D-side, O.O
[15:19] <BenO> I.. I... just don't know what to say
[15:19] <D-side> BenO: it happens.
[15:19] <RITRedbeard_> Neuromancer is a good book, it has a certain style though that might throw people off.
[15:19] <D-side> lol here this ought to blow your mind too
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[15:19] <RITRedbeard_> It's kind of... "gonzo", reminds me of Fear and Loathing, really.
[15:19] <D-side> Neil Stephenson: entirely overrated
[15:19] <gooseberry> the snow crash guy?
[15:19] <D-side> yes
[15:20] <D-side> snow crash = meh
[15:20] <D-side> now having said that, i did realllly enjoy the diamond age
[15:20] <BenO> Isn't Snow Crash being made into a film...
[15:20] <D-side> it was
[15:20] <D-side> i think they shelved it
[15:20] <D-side> no one is gonna care about that movie
[15:20] <RITRedbeard_> I heard my ex-hippie housemate who recommended Sprawl Trilogy totally hype Snow Crash
[15:20] <BenO> yeah, Joe Cornish is set to director (and do screenplay) recently
[15:20] <D-side> oh really!
[15:20] <RITRedbeard_> but I haven't read it
[15:20] <D-side> i'm all sorts of wrong today
[15:21] <BenO> http://www.craveonline.com/film/articles/190527-joe-cornish-will-direct-snow-crash
[15:21] <RITRedbeard_> I know the concept, though.
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[15:21] <D-side> i'll recommend to anyone who'll listen that they should ignore the film versions of dune and starship troopers, and just read the books
[15:21] <RITRedbeard_> I think Neuromancer is an excellent book, it's not that long of a read either.
[15:21] <RITRedbeard_> Now something like Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead... ugh f me lol :)
[15:22] <RITRedbeard_> what a drag
[15:22] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, I find it best to (re)read that with the books publication date firmly in mind :)
[15:22] <D-side> lol please lets not start with rand
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[15:22] <D-side> no one wants that
[15:22] <Habbie> i found dune unbereable, both on paper and on the screen ;)
[15:22] <D-side> Habbie: !!!
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[15:22] <RITRedbeard_> The RTS for Sega Genesis named Dune was awesome
[15:22] <Habbie> *unbearable
[15:22] <RITRedbeard_> collect that spice! aww yeah!
[15:22] <D-side> dune is one of my favorite books
[15:22] <gooseberry> D-side: I loved dune, it's such a shame his son butchered it
[15:22] <Habbie> RITRedbeard_, so, Dune II?
[15:22] <RITRedbeard_> The Battle For Arrakis
[15:23] <RITRedbeard_> had really good music too
[15:23] <D-side> gooseberry: hah you know i started really late, i only first read it maybe ten yeras ago.
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[15:23] <Habbie> RITRedbeard_, that's dune ii - i play the soundtrack regularly ;)
[15:23] <D-side> gooseberry: all of my friends told me i could get away with reading the first book and just ignoring the rest. so i did
[15:23] <D-side> i'm happier for it
[15:23] <gooseberry> D-side: The first three are good
[15:23] <gooseberry> the 2nd is filler for the third
[15:23] <RITRedbeard_> BenO, I've re-read almost all of Neuromancer in the past few days after getting my friends all involved/interested in cyberpunk imagery.
[15:23] <D-side> i'm the type that'll just keep reading though
[15:23] <gooseberry> but the 3rd is really good
[15:24] <D-side> so if i dont begin down the rabbit hole
[15:24] <D-side> i'll be okay
[15:24] <RITRedbeard_> I compiled a gallery of images here http://cyberpunkpron.imgur.com/
[15:24] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, it's a little crazy thinking it was written in 83 (pub 84)
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[15:24] <RITRedbeard_> mostly safe for work, I think?
[15:24] <gooseberry> RITRedbeard_: pron?
[15:24] <RITRedbeard_> it's a josh
[15:24] * BenO is a freelancer working from home - SFW is pretty much anything ;)
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[15:25] <gooseberry> although the ops don't like you to say bugger. sooo....
[15:25] <D-side> they hve a point
[15:25] <RITRedbeard_> I think there is only one half-naked woman in there
[15:25] <gooseberry> top or bottom half?
[15:25] <RITRedbeard_> but please check out http://cyberpunkpron.imgur.com/ when you get a chance, I compiled the gallery myself
[15:25] <RITRedbeard_> bottom half I believe
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[15:25] <D-side> the entire point of the RPi project is to get people (kids esp) into working with computers
[15:25] <RITRedbeard_> beyond the coffin images
[15:26] <RITRedbeard_> I think
[15:26] <D-side> so keeping the channel "clean" is a good idea.
[15:26] <gooseberry> D-side: no the entire point is cheap media centres
[15:26] <D-side> for you and I
[15:26] <D-side> not for the people who founded the project
[15:26] <gooseberry> for the world
[15:26] <D-side> and when i say "you and I"
[15:26] <D-side> i mean everyone else other than the people who founded the project
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[15:27] <gooseberry> no for the people who founded the project, it was a way for broadcom to get rid of old chips
[15:27] <D-side> :|
[15:27] <RITRedbeard_> Just a broad in some lingerie looking out a window, supposed to be CGI looking like blade runner
[15:27] <RITRedbeard_> big deal
[15:27] <gooseberry> I'm being deadly serious.
[15:27] <RITRedbeard_> SFW
[15:27] <D-side> I choose to believe this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/about
[15:27] <D-side> because i want to!
[15:27] <D-side> having said that
[15:27] <RITRedbeard_> http://cyberpunkpron.imgur.com/ :)
[15:27] <D-side> openelec is running beautifully for me
[15:27] <gooseberry> D-side: That's just written by liz, not the foundation
[15:28] <RITRedbeard_> I have to compile version 5 of the image gallery soon
[15:28] <Habbie> gooseberry, if you're serious, p iresume you have a source :)
[15:28] <D-side> a recent precompiled image i found includes firmware for my wifi usb dongle
[15:28] <D-side> and my buffering issues when streaming appear to be resolved
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[15:28] <gooseberry> You can tell the website isn't written by the foundation because no company would ever do such a shoddy job of writing their trademark info
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[15:29] <BenO> I really don't care what broadcom's plan is - the PR thrust is getting kids to program via linux on ARM. The aim will outlive the hardware
[15:29] <Habbie> that's for sure
[15:29] <gooseberry> BenO: Is it though? When eben gave a bunch to kids they just chucked them on ebay
[15:30] <D-side> i'm just going by their stated intent
[15:30] <Habbie> some kids suck :)
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[15:31] <BenO> gooseberry, the media push for it is, yes. Just because kids ebay a bunch of boards doesn't change that.
[15:32] <BenO> Read the NESTA report on the legacy of the Beeb, there are strong parallels even now
[15:37] <BenO> ... didn't mean to kill conversation :)
[15:38] <D-side> i'm researching usb->IR dongles
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[15:39] <BenO> D-side, for net connectivity? Retro!
[15:39] <RITRedbeard_> The aim will outlive the hardware, interesting...
[15:39] <D-side> BenO: xbmc!
[15:40] <Habbie> RITRedbeard_, the raspi got me to make my 2.5 year old try gcompris; it worked and she liked it but i also realised it would be much better on a PC
[15:40] <RITRedbeard_> You know how Hackerspaces are becoming popular? I wonder if we'll see a return to widespread private education in the sense of the greek Athenium/Schools ?
[15:40] <Habbie> RITRedbeard_, take away my pi and the effect of the aim stays
[15:40] <RITRedbeard_> Public education in my country is terrible. Especially in the area of computing.
[15:40] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, That's what my hunch is - the ball has started rolling with many conferences. #RethinkingICT is going on right now, discussing this subject area
[15:41] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, Big pushes to get RaspberryJams, Webmaker bashes, hackerspace meetups, etc
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[15:41] <RITRedbeard_> After 8 or 9 years in private education, I found 9-12 to be a joke, except perhaps for the mathematics.
[15:41] <BenO> The term 'hacker' has been poisoned by the mainstream, so 'maker' being used in its stead often
[15:42] <RITRedbeard_> But there was supposed to be electives slated for computing education however the budget was tight apparently
[15:42] <gooseberry> BenO: It's poisoned everywherte
[15:42] <RITRedbeard_> so instead they hired another administrator or something
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[15:43] <BenO> gooseberry, depends on age I guess -the older and more exposed to the tech world you are, the more likely that it has a neutral meaning perhaps
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[15:45] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, :( a not uncommon experience
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[15:45] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, It's about Appliances vs general purpose computers for me.
[15:45] * gordonDrogon goes bac kto basics and dredges out capacitor charging equations...
[15:46] <RITRedbeard_> Appliances vs. GP Computers? Care to elaborate?
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[15:49] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, I'll try not to rant :) Appliances -> use what is given or sandboxed and no more. Encourages a limited view, a black-box view, of computing unless the teacher goes out of their way.
[15:50] <mikey_w> Commercial appliance makers just want the general purpose computer to go away.
[15:50] <RITRedbeard_> Ah, I see.
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> Pi is trying to break the gap between the appliances and the PCs...
[15:50] <BenO> GP -> allows further progressing of learning. They aren't packed with "magic learning dust" to borrow a quote, but they provide a better environment for a teacher or learning content to use
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> but a PC in a school might as well be an appliance as they're typically so locked down you can't do anything on them other than run word...
[15:51] <RITRedbeard_> Sort of like doing higher level mathematics but not understanding it's usage or how to apply too well in scenarios
[15:51] <BenO> gordonDrogon, exactly my point :)
[15:51] <RITRedbeard_> limited world view
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> it was good in the old Apple II & BBC Micro days...
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[15:52] <RITRedbeard_> Well, I think we can easily blame the administration as well as the IT guys.
[15:52] <mikey_w> And the underlying world of registers, gates and ALUs is almost never taught.
[15:52] <RITRedbeard_> Who are in charge usually of constructing a lab.
[15:52] <BenO> That's why I am actually all for the eth-free model A - I can see that as a device that might not be too offensive to the ahem BOFH at schools
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[15:53] <BenO> which, trust me, is the absolute worst problem that I deal with, trying to work with schools
[15:53] <RITRedbeard_> Dealing with on-site people?
[15:53] <BenO> I end up having to do an end-run and talk to the science/maths departments most of the time, and get them to back me up
[15:54] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, I've never been successful with IT folk in schools
[15:54] <BenO> not to say the good IT teachers don't exist (they do!) but that they aren't as common as i'd like
[15:54] <mikey_w> A nice course in building a bit-sliced cpu is needed so they understand what is actually going on with a GP device.
[15:54] <nidO> are they really still as dreaful/clueless as when I was at school a decade ago? :(
[15:54] <D-side> nidO: i bet.
[15:54] <RITRedbeard_> Yeah, I've never really been successful with "IT" folk anywhere... I mean I don't want to generalize, there have been IT guys who are mainframe wizards at work who are amazing.
[15:54] <D-side> every school IT admin i've dealt with
[15:54] <D-side> had their job due to nepotism
[15:54] <D-side> or other political ties
[15:55] <D-side> none were the right person for the job
[15:55] <RITRedbeard_> However, high school level IT is just mind numbing to deal with
[15:55] <RITRedbeard_> Many IT people are
[15:55] <BenO> nidO, vicious circle - ICT needs to teach PPT alone, not credit for teaching actual programming/concepts, hire people who can do that (others put off), so on and so forth
[15:55] <gooseberry> D-side: They get it because noone else would want the job
[15:55] <D-side> could be
[15:55] <nidO> I had a right laugh at school one time, using net send to say "hello" to every computer in the IT room in the middle of a lesson from a system the other side of the school
[15:56] <RITRedbeard_> That's ridiculous, filtering for those packets ought to be dead simple.
[15:56] <nidO> then turned and looked at the door to the room I was in, waited about a minute, then in burst the very much panting and red-faced head of IT
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> "ICT" in schools got too big for the maths teacher to manage, so most schools had to oursource, or employ someone...
[15:56] <NucWin> ahhh winpopup \o/
[15:56] <nidO> and then spending half an hour teaching him what net send was and how to disable it
[15:56] <gooseberry> vbscript was lots of fun for pranking when I was in school
[15:56] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, most filtering is purchased and set to paranoid
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> gooseberry, that's why it's all disabled and locked down now...
[15:56] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, ie filtering net, not actually securing the network ;)
[15:56] <RITRedbeard_> Yeah, much money is wasted I notice on software licenses....
[15:57] <RITRedbeard_> It just sucks to go into 9th grade and go "sorry, repick all your classes because we're cheap"
[15:57] <RITRedbeard_> it sucks to hear it now, I could teach an intro class but I'm not certified to be a pedagog
[15:57] <RITRedbeard_> no child left behind/crap teachers use to stay juiced in
[15:58] <RITRedbeard_> I'd do it for free.
[15:58] <RITRedbeard_> So long as they paid me for gas and bought my lunches.
[15:59] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, I do it for free - the trick is to find a keen teacher who will run the class to work with. After-school is *much* easier
[15:59] <RITRedbeard_> It's just my civic duty, I feel, I guess... I dunno. Here in the States a lot of higher level people sit in meetings all day knowing there are kids getting a crap education
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[15:59] <RITRedbeard_> They're getting a bad education and they know this and there is no easy solution, much less educating them in computing. :)
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[16:00] <RITRedbeard_> Although if everyone felt as I did about civic duty, maybe we wouldn't have such an educational conundrum to begin with...
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[16:00] <mikey_w> Bring back the trade schools.
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[16:00] <BenO> @pixelh8 has put out all his teaching notes, etc for creative computing class to http://creativecomputingclubsuffolk.blogspot.co.uk/
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[16:00] <RITRedbeard_> We have trade/technical schools in the US but I don't know much about them... they're few and far between.
[16:01] <RITRedbeard_> I know some kids that went to high school there then came to university
[16:01] <BenO> which is very helpful for people who don't know where to start to make lesson plans
[16:01] <RITRedbeard_> BenO, cool :)
[16:01] <gooseberry> does lemon juice need to be stuck in the fridge?
[16:02] <Dyskette> Ideally.
[16:02] <gooseberry> it's got potassium metabisulphite in it
[16:03] <RITRedbeard_> The problem with after-school I think is participation vs. graded assignments
[16:03] <RITRedbeard_> I think after school is probably the best place currently, but I mean sometimes you walk into a classroom or a lecture and you are blown away.
[16:04] <RITRedbeard_> the course has a profound effect on you
[16:04] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, I agree, but the hardest part is embedding into a school. At least, in my experience.
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[16:04] <RITRedbeard_> and I think that's of course how you identify good teachers and pedagogs... almost became a chemist because of my teacher in Chemistry B :)
[16:04] <BenO> A friend has been trying to work with local schools (Sheffield) and been thwarted at every turn by the Head and IT people.
[16:05] <RITRedbeard_> That does seem to be the pickle.
[16:05] <RITRedbeard_> BenO, what is the typical argument against?
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[16:06] <mikey_w> Just look at the OLPC failures to see how hard it is to anything of substance done.
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> BenO, I've more or less given up with the local schools in Devon - even some friend who're school ICT support have given up with them. It's just toooo hard to make them change.
[16:06] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, It used to simply be "this doesn't tick any boxes for Ofsted or for the curriculum. We haven't the resources to consider it"
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> gooseberry, you have lemon juice with preservative in it? Why?!?
[16:06] * RITRedbeard_ blinks.
[16:07] <RITRedbeard_> That's a really crap excuse.
[16:07] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Yep, and now with all the curriculum being scrapped... some very confused, panicky people now.
[16:07] <RITRedbeard_> If a few people did their civic duty it would be dirt cheap and ~educational~, although I'm sure that school won't get any special checkmarks
[16:08] <gooseberry> gordonDrogon: Because it was cheaper
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[16:08] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, I've heard it often. UK edu became very target focussed. If it wasn't on their list of targets, then forget it.
[16:08] <RITRedbeard_> Sounds like what is going on here in the US as well, however, don't you guys have better opportunities for young people?
[16:09] <RITRedbeard_> Like, A levels or something, what is that?
[16:09] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, current government are determined to ruin whatever opportunities exist. (must stop ranting)
[16:10] <RITRedbeard_> In the US, besides scholarship which is all private/state university side, there are none. You can skip some introductory classes if you do well on this AP exam in an AP class.
[16:10] <RITRedbeard_> Advanced Placement, I guess.
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[16:11] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, Gove (the Edu minister) is keen to return to O-levels and CSEs exams at 16yrs old - O-levels being more prestigious than CSEs, which are supposed to be easier
[16:11] <RITRedbeard_> Which I think counts for next to nothing and is quite bleak if that's the only thing around.
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[16:12] <RITRedbeard_> So yeah, we have the AP classes/system and we have lots of state and government mandated tests, but the other thing is the SAT
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[16:12] <BenO> We've already had that and seen young people being discriminated based on what flavour exam their school chose to support. Where you went to school became more important than your aptitude/success.
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[16:13] <RITRedbeard_> Which honestly doesn't mean anything... the questions asked are usually about problems students aren't conditioned to solve or exposed to
[16:13] <NinjAPT> is it possible to play video with raspberry without using X?
[16:13] <RITRedbeard_> for the most part
[16:13] <BenO> NinjAPT, using the video core direct - omxplayer (h.264)
[16:13] <ReggieUK> BenO, that's always been the case to a point though hasn't it?
[16:14] <RITRedbeard_> I wonder what charter schools are like.
[16:14] <NinjAPT> BenO, do mplayer work well?
[16:14] <BenO> ReggieUK, It won't ever go away, but it can be minimised I hope!
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[16:14] <BenO> NinjAPT, short version, no. Long version, Pi is slow, codecs unoptimised, etc, etc
[16:15] <ReggieUK> I think the one size fits all approach to exams is pretty damning right now
[16:15] <NinjAPT> BenO, so for now, the only way is to compile omxplayer? do omxplayer work on top of X?
[16:15] <ReggieUK> and there should certainly be 2 tiers
[16:16] <ReggieUK> not because of any bias toward money, upbringing etc.
[16:16] <RITRedbeard_> Are schools like um, I think the most famous one is called Eton... how are they the exception (assuming they are)?
[16:16] <ReggieUK> but because of aptitude
[16:16] <BenO> NinjAPT, omxplayer puts a display layer above /dev/fb0 - X has no idea it exists
[16:16] <gooseberry> NinjAPT: I think omxplayer is bundled with the latest debian
[16:17] <NinjAPT> gooseberry, BenO, tnks
[16:17] <BenO> /dev/fb0 is at layer -127. omxplayer creates a context with layer index >-127 as a full overlay.
[16:17] <gooseberry> you'll need 64mb of video ram
[16:18] <NinjAPT> BenO: i see, how do i tell omxplayer to play a video using ssh?
[16:18] <RITRedbeard_> The strangest thing is that between public education at grade 12 and right behind state uni is this niche market that has grown -- community colleges
[16:18] <NinjAPT> i mean, command through ssh and play it on the 0:0 display or so
[16:18] <RITRedbeard_> but by the time you're done 12th grade compulsory education, you're pretty much... sick and tired of the crappy system that you've known before, most people...
[16:18] <gooseberry> NinjAPT: And by latest, I mean the wheezy beta
[16:19] <BenO> NinjAPT, no need. It will create a video layer on whatever the RPi's output is. ssh in, start a movie and it will play back :)
[16:19] <RITRedbeard_> but community college isn't a dirty word any more, by all means of the imagination; the bulk of my present skillset was learned there, so... but it did cost money
[16:19] <BenO> Same with OpenGL ES stuff - fun to use ssh to code but see output on screen
[16:19] <NinjAPT> cool
[16:20] <NinjAPT> is it possible to mirror composite and hdmi?
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[16:21] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, The education they are offering can be great. The one bonus to a curriculum is that it can highlight a school's bias or beliefs
[16:22] <BenO> NinjAPT, Maybe, I've not seen a method to do so. Depends if the vid core exposes it somehow, but I wouldn't count on it at all
[16:22] <RITRedbeard_> BenO, in regards to 9-12 or community college?
[16:23] <NinjAPT> BenO, ok tnks
[16:23] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, Context to that is a problem with Steiner schools starting up in the UK
[16:24] <NinjAPT> do you know any method to forward rs232 through ethernet?
[16:24] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, With no curriculum (as the UK is set to head towards), schools will be free to teach as their Heads like.
[16:24] <RITRedbeard_> Don't you have a department of education and regional educational people?
[16:25] <RITRedbeard_> and UK based education thinktanks
[16:25] <BenO> Their power is being removed - Gove is pushing the idea of 'academies', which are free of local authority control
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[16:25] <BenO> (in effect)
[16:25] <three14> So Sandisk doesn't put that crappy U3 Software on its Cruzer flash drives anymore? Joy!
[16:25] <BenO> RITRedbeard_, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/graeme-paton/7767664/Michael-Gove-academies-will-be-norm-in-England.html
[16:26] <RITRedbeard_> Do they still have to adhere to educational... I assume you have educational laws set in place.
[16:26] <RITRedbeard_> This could be a good thing.
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[16:27] <RITRedbeard> The laws to hire a "teacher" here in the States is extremely too strict, it keeps those teachers juiced in.
[16:27] <BenO> RITRedbeard, creates opportunity for change (which can be good) but I fear the implementation and enforcement will be poor and frankly, kids will be screwed over in the process.
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[16:28] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, kids here atleast are already getting screwed over.
[16:29] <RITRedbeard> Not sure how all these suits and thinktank people can sleep at night knowing that.
[16:29] <hamitron> probably paid well enough to afford a good amount of wine to help them sleep
[16:29] <BenO> RITRedbeard, Snug as a bug :)
[16:29] <three14> RITRedbeard, i think the wads of cash keep them warm, tbh. :-\
[16:30] <BenO> RITRedbeard, lots of very interesting psychological studies on successful managers/CEOs to look up
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[16:30] <RITRedbeard> I've just had two cousins born this year and I can't help but think they're going to get screwed should my aunts/uncles place them into this system.
[16:31] <gooseberry> three14: Nope, they were super useful though, you could replace the u3 crap your with your malicious software and then leave them in an office carpark
[16:31] <RITRedbeard> And this is nice suburban-ville, the schools rank decently
[16:31] <hamitron> I think the biggest problem with education, is different people need different types of knowledge. this leads to differing views and you end up with lots of bits of not much happening
[16:31] <hamitron> :/
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[16:31] <three14> I had no idea a 32GB USB 2.0 flash drive was soo slow. 5MB/s. I get twice that on the 8GB ones. Meh, no bother. It's for storage.
[16:32] <gooseberry> three14: they had a special chip with pretended to be a cd rom drive
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[16:32] <gooseberry> and before sp3 xp used to autorun cds
[16:32] <gooseberry> so there wasn't a prompt when they plugged it in
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[16:33] <RITRedbeard> hamitron, BenO: the primary problem I see is parents being complacent/stuck to the idea of a role
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[16:33] <RITRedbeard> OK, well, this public institution is going to educate my child.
[16:33] <three14> gooseberry, well i remember the U3 software well. First thing I did was use the removal tool. but this one i just got seems to be free of the preinstalled software with just a quick format.
[16:33] <RITRedbeard> The entire approach to education is backwards.
[16:33] <RITRedbeard> parent participation ought to be 100% steam ahead.
[16:33] <gooseberry> three14: portableapps.com is a decent replacement
[16:34] <pi_> hello. i just installed the debian squeeze image on the raspberry pi website, and i cant get my keyboard to input properly. specifically it wont do hashtag, pipes or @ signs properly
[16:34] <hamitron> RITRedbeard, agreed, but that is not an excuse for schools not putting effort in and then blaming the parents
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[16:34] <RITRedbeard> So here in the US, I don't weep for those who complain of union corruption. It was their apathy that let it get this bad in the first place.
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[16:34] <hamitron> both should be helping and encouraging the child
[16:34] <three14> pi_ you probably need to reconfigure your keyboard, locales, etc
[16:34] <gooseberry> pi_: you need to change the keyboard language to american, the default is british
[16:34] <pi_> more specifically i was trying to do a dpkg --list grep to check the installed default pkgs.
[16:34] <RITRedbeard> The parents are to blame but in a different capacity: change that school and be involved!
[16:34] <pi_> ah thanks. what is the best way to do that in cli? i normally do it during the gui installer
[16:35] <three14> pi_ - dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (i think)
[16:35] <RITRedbeard> Food for the brain is just as important as food for the mouth, no?
[16:35] <three14> and replace keyboard-configuration with locales to change that too.
[16:35] <hamitron> what needs changing? ;/
[16:35] <pi_> excellent. thanks
[16:35] <hamitron> apart from some of the rubbish they are taught
[16:36] <RITRedbeard> it depends on your locale I guess
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[16:36] <BenO> pi_, You may need to log out and in again to see effect. Although I seem to remember that there was another thing to try if that kbd reconfigure doesnt work...
[16:36] <RITRedbeard> you have to be involved or have some sort of finger-on-the-pulse
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[16:36] <RITRedbeard> it's not easy I suppose
[16:36] <hamitron> I remember I was taught a lot of stuff I should not have been... and it has got worse
[16:37] <hamitron> a lot of it politically motivated
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[16:37] <hamitron> plus the obsession with giving us a "taste" of everything
[16:37] <hamitron> and not really learning anything in great detail
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[16:38] <RITRedbeard> yeah I suppose the point of electives gets lost
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[16:39] <RITRedbeard> but you guys, BenO, you've had success in after-school offers to do this? work with faculity?
[16:40] <hamitron> personally, I think academic students need to a good understanding of English and Mathematics, before worrying about other more specialist subjects like ICT and Electronics
[16:40] <pi_> that worked. thanks all!
[16:40] <RITRedbeard> naturally; even those trained as pedagog teach you things that aren't of much help
[16:40] <pi_> loving this so far.
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[16:40] <BenO> RITRedbeard, I've worked with interested people, not faculty - some have been teachers who have invited me in to do talks or one-off science demos, but not faculty :(
[16:41] <three14> pi_, :-)
[16:41] <RITRedbeard> I was in a remedial algebra class and we were being taught matrices and operations on matrices... like, uh, what?
[16:41] <Dyskette> hamitron, my understanding of maths came largely through my involvement with computers and computer systems
[16:41] <pi_> tc all really appreciate it. also, i havent been on irc in forever.
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[16:41] <RITRedbeard> by teachers I mean faculty :)
[16:41] <Dyskette> hamitron, so I don't think it's necessarily so simple and causal.
[16:41] <BenO> RITRedbeard, Essential for OpenGL ES! ;)
[16:41] <RITRedbeard> oh, right, I realize that
[16:42] <hamitron> Dyskette, sure it is.... you need decent English to write a letter, before you can type one
[16:42] <RITRedbeard> but it wasn't a looong time until we'd hit the calculus that uses it
[16:42] <RITRedbeard> actually I never did there
[16:42] <kghost> what type of init does raspbmc use ? seems it is using /etc/init as its configuration directory, not /etc/inittab
[16:42] <Dyskette> hamitron, sure, but you don't need to understand binary to work with it
[16:42] <Dyskette> hamitron, in fact, the understanding can arise FROM working with it
[16:42] <hamitron> I didn't say binary
[16:42] <Dyskette> hamitron, you did say maths
[16:42] <hamitron> I mean basics
[16:42] <hamitron> times tables
[16:42] <BenO> hamitron, there is something to be said for exposure to the content, even if you aren't going to learn it. To prepare you or just make you aware of what might be involved later in life.
[16:42] <hamitron> etc
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[16:42] <Dyskette> hamitron, hahaha, I still don't know my times tables :P
[16:43] <RITRedbeard> school... sort of like a shoddy album, lots of filler.
[16:43] <three14> like modern rap
[16:43] <Dyskette> hamitron, see, I learned to actually do multiplication instead. Learn that one skill, and all that rote learning is pointless.
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[16:43] <three14> 32minutes of skits
[16:43] <hamitron> that is just slow
[16:43] <Dyskette> Not if you learn to do it quickly.
[16:43] <Stonewaulburg> excuse me, where could I go to order an RPi in the US, I've tried both farnell and RS and both jsut give the option of "expressing interest"
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[16:43] <hamitron> Dyskette, I do the same as you, I don't "know" them
[16:43] <BenO> kghost, Uses two main sorts - first portion is done by the video core, bringing things online, bootstrapping, setting memory division. Other portion is normal linux based on distro
[16:43] <Dyskette> Multiplying together single digit factors is hardly complicated.
[16:44] <hamitron> and the old ways are faster
[16:44] <RITRedbeard> hamitron, same, but my arithmetic skills are terrible
[16:44] <RITRedbeard> :)
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[16:44] <Dyskette> Rote learned them might be quicker, but the difference between half a second and a second is meaningless for that sort of task.
[16:44] <Dyskette> So I'd posit there is no meaningful difference.
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> Stonewaulburg, that's the same everywhere. IF you want one now, go to eBay.
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[16:44] <hamitron> I know people who did Mathematics at university, who can't add and subtract for example
[16:44] <hamitron> :/
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[16:44] <RITRedbeard> oh lord
[16:45] <Dyskette> Yeah, my mathematician housemate used a calculator for EVERYTHING.
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> hamitron, sounds just like me. I have problems doung sums in my head.
[16:45] <hamitron> me too sadly
[16:45] <hamitron> :/
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[16:45] <Dyskette> It was hilarious when playing D&D and so on when he'd just ask for clarification on what 87-13 was, or whatever
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> the ability to do mental arithmetic is a different skill to being able to visualise complex mathematics.
[16:45] <Dyskette> He got a master's with distinction.
[16:46] <Dyskette> Just shows how little advanced maths has to do with numbers :P
[16:46] <Dyskette> (at least directly)
[16:46] <RITRedbeard> that's interesting; I bet we all do that subtraction differently in our heads
[16:46] <hamitron> I'm not claiming to be great at it, but I think it would have been better drilling that into me from a young age.... rather than teaching me what I should believe in politically
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> Dyskette, please stop lauging at people like that - I suffer from it. It's a real issue. I can not immediately know what 87 - 13 is.
[16:46] <Dyskette> RITRedbeard, probably, but most of us have a way of doing it in our heads and being sure of the result
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> it's typically called Dyslexia.
[16:46] <RITRedbeard> I suck at doing it in my head, too.
[16:46] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, after awhile the numbers and symbols begin to look alike...
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> and it's a real and recognised disability.
[16:47] <Dyskette> gordonDrogon, oh, I'm dyslexic too, with dates and times especially. We all chuckled at my inability to tell what day of the week it was too :P
[16:47] <Dyskette> (And my utter inability to produce handwriting that anyone can read, including myself)
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> what I leanred to do was approximate. that would then give me time to fine-tune most results.
[16:48] <hamitron> that is partly down to computers I bet ;) I know I "forget" how to write :/
[16:48] <RITRedbeard> but I subtract the tens place, then I ask myself how far is 7 away from 3 (magnitude)
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> although I did use a slide-rule in school and you had to know how many 0s in the result :)
[16:48] <Dyskette> hamitron, I used to get held in lunchtimes in primary school to be given extra handwriting classes. My dad's the same, just can't write. I don't think it's really down to the computers.
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> and then you get questions like (please type the answer as quick as you can)....
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> what's half of 99 ?
[16:49] <Dyskette> 44.5
[16:49] <hamitron> well, mine is down to lack of writing
[16:49] <hamitron> :)
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[16:49] <hamitron> :\
[16:49] <Dyskette> Which shows how much attention I'm paying to my typing :P
[16:49] <Dyskette> 49.5
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> trick question. the answer is 49.5
[16:50] <RITRedbeard> handwriting is OK, my private school was very good
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[16:50] <RITRedbeard> basically by 8th grade we could do literary analysis and read at a college level, quite extraordinary
[16:50] <RITRedbeard> well, I know I could to a degree
[16:51] <hamitron> tbh, I put my hand writing down to computers and having to work in the real world.... where employers expect things done in a decent amount of time ;D
[16:51] <hamitron> I hand writing used to be great when I was younger
[16:52] <RITRedbeard> I still do cursive... or you might know it as 'jointed-up-writing', just a habit... then in the later grades I'd switch between print and cursive
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[16:52] <hamitron> no time to print :/
[16:52] <RITRedbeard> yeah, printing takes too long but my cursive isn't the greatest or so I've been told... :\
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[16:54] <RITRedbeard> Not so sure I believe that, though. My ex-fiance couldn't sign her name. She could print her name, though.
[16:54] <RITRedbeard> So bizzare.
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[16:55] <three14> i haven't written in cursive exclusively for 15yrs or so. when i attempt it, it looks exactly like a 14yr olds writing. i've always preferred printing (smallcaps style).
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[16:56] <_inc> I just made a nyanternet, to raise awareness of my naive neighbours to not trust open networks
[16:56] <hamitron> I struggle to print these days :/
[16:57] <hamitron> just not practise it enough
[16:57] <hamitron> just don't*
[16:57] <willl0u> " Topic: This is the unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel. Please keep it clean, children may be present." LOL
[16:57] <traeak> i got impatient, my signature now is my first initial and some squiggle afterwards
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[16:57] <traeak> hehe
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[16:57] <_inc> i hate filling in forms in block capitals
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[16:57] <bnmorgan> g'morning
[16:57] <_inc> g'afternoon
[16:57] <mikey_w> I print, receiving code at 30 words per minute.
[16:57] <hamitron> _inc, yeh :/
[16:57] <bnmorgan> anybody have a pi they want to sell, my boss wants one now.
[16:58] <willl0u> g'afternoon
[16:58] <RITRedbeard> hah
[16:58] <frankivo> bnmorgan: how much does he offer? :P
[16:58] <bnmorgan> and my IT manager
[16:58] <nidO> bnmorgan: ebay has a fair few
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[16:58] <hamitron> _inc, because it is "so slow", I sometimes miss characters out
[16:58] <hamitron> :/
[16:58] <mikey_w> I'll trade a Mele A1000 for one.
[16:58] <_inc> bnmorgan: how wealthy is your boss?
[16:58] <willl0u> for 300 $ why not :3
[16:59] <mikey_w> With a case.
[16:59] <willl0u> compiling is so slow on the RPi :S
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[16:59] <bnmorgan> inc i don't know.
[16:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> willl0u depends on what you compile - but you can x-comile if yoou want speed.
[17:00] <willl0u> ruby...
[17:00] <BenO> willl0u, May Turing have Mercy on your binary soul!
[17:00] <BenO> ;)
[17:01] <_inc> ruby is interpreted?
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[17:01] <bnmorgan> anybody sell for $50 today?
[17:01] <bnmorgan> he's standing behind me
[17:02] <BenO> bnmorgan, ebay will be the going rate, whatever that is. IMO
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[17:02] <_inc> $80
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[17:02] <_inc> haggle me down if you can :P
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[17:02] <bnmorgan> $50
[17:03] <_inc> i don't think you know how this works ;)
[17:03] <nidO> thats not exactly haggling.
[17:03] * _inc hasn't actually got a Pi to spare
[17:04] <BenO> If you want one *now*, then its a seller's market.
[17:04] <_inc> ??40 is the average on ebay uk
[17:04] <bnmorgan> i'm in the US :)
[17:04] <bnmorgan> ok, $40 then
[17:04] <nidO> unlucky
[17:04] <BenO> Well... check US ebay?
[17:04] <bnmorgan> workign on it
[17:05] <nidO> you know that ??40 isnt $40 right
[17:05] <BenO> plus shipping :)
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[17:06] <_inc> i was looking at ebay at all the Pi
[17:06] <_inc> selling upwards of 200% markup
[17:06] <toasted> i doubt you'll find one in north america for less than 80 bucks
[17:06] <bnmorgan> i guess it depends on a pound of what.
[17:06] <_inc> and was thinking, why don't the foundation either to that, or a "pay more if you want to", to boost their funds?
[17:07] <bnmorgan> lack of foresight?
[17:07] <bnmorgan> lack of motivation?
[17:07] <bnmorgan> lack of ambition?
[17:07] <bnmorgan> so $50 then?
[17:07] <_inc> they do not lack ambition for sure
[17:08] <BenO> bnmorgan, No-one has replied to say they will sell you one. Why quote prices?
[17:08] <bnmorgan> o.0
[17:09] <bnmorgan> to attempt to find someone who will?
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[17:09] <nidO> as already mentioned, there're plenty of people who will, they've listed their pis on ebay
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> 50 dollars is less than what it cost people in the UK.
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[17:09] <BenO> What nidO said
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[17:10] <SpeedEvil> Plus - they need to add insured shipping cost, and the cost that you may decide to dispute the transaction.
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[17:11] <bnmorgan> how is it they're $35 in the US for something as i understand may be made in the US
[17:11] <bnmorgan> i mean UK
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> 35 was a target price.
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> Nobodies actually been able to purchase one at that.
[17:12] <bnmorgan> that's what I payed newark
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> inc shipping?
[17:12] <BenO> Going rate on US eBay looks to be around $60, once you figure in shipping.
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[17:13] <drazyl> think I paid roughly $35 equivalent to RS
[17:14] <nidO> the cost to most people was roughly $35 equivalent, but then plus tax and shipping
[17:14] <BenO> ?29 -> $45.12 (according to WolframAlpha)
[17:14] <BenO> Which was what I paid, with tax/P&P IIRC
[17:14] <_inc> google "29gbp in usd"
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> My total was 30.87 - from RS
[17:15] <traeak> 40USD for me after s&h
[17:15] <nidO> mine were ??30-??32 ish from rs & farnell
[17:15] <drazyl> tax and p&p dont really count tho, same as with other computer parts prices
[17:15] <SpeedEvil> drazyl: Sure they do - if I can buy 10
[17:15] <ReggieUK> $35 was the foundations price point, they hit it, tax, shipping is what makes it more than that
[17:16] <bnmorgan> $42.80 shipped
[17:16] <bnmorgan> had to go find it
[17:16] <drazyl> I make it I paid approx $40 before tax but after shipping, so seems pretty close to $35 before shipping
[17:16] <mikey_w> So anyone want a mele a1000?
[17:17] <bnmorgan> what is that
[17:17] <BenO> Anyway, back on topic - has anyone kicked the tires on the new ALSA driver (updated recently)? I've seen that it sort of fixes volume control but haven't had time to look at what other code is updated
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[17:18] <mikey_w> http://liliputing.com/2012/03/mele-a1000-is-a-70-hackable-linux-friendly-arm-based-pc.html
[17:19] <mikey_w> The mele has a good community hacking it.
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[17:20] <mikey_w> #arm-netbook on this IRC server.
[17:20] <Stonewaulburg> hey woudl it maybe be worth it to get one of these off ebay at the extreme costs theya re abailable for to play around with, can they be that much fun?
[17:21] <Stonewaulburg> 60-80$ seems to be the average on ebay
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[17:21] <beardface> **WARNING** shameless plug....
[17:21] <beardface> I started a kick starter to try and get funding to do a cheap run of quality injection molded cases
[17:21] <beardface> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1986127174/designing-an-affordable-and-beautiful-raspberry-pi
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[17:22] <BenO> Stonewaulburg, I guess it depends on what you want to do with it!
[17:22] <beardface> still refining the design to make it purty-er for injeciton molded (you can do a lot with injection molding, you can't do with a home 3d printer)
[17:22] <Stonewaulburg> I DONT EVEN KNOW YET
[17:22] <Stonewaulburg> god only knows what one could do
[17:22] <BenO> Stonewaulburg, Have you used linux before?
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[17:22] <beardface> $10 shipped RPI cases to the US if funded
[17:22] <Stonewaulburg> though currently i have no experience with linux, or microcomputers
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[17:23] <Stonewaulburg> gotta start somewhere
[17:23] <BenO> Stonewaulburg, it can do what any low powered linux machine can really.
[17:23] <NucWin> its there any alpha/beta xdrivers for pi yet?
[17:23] <BenO> Stonewaulburg, You might want to start out with a live CD to explore Linux first.
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[17:25] <BenO> Stonewaulburg, currently, not all the drivers for the RPi hardware are in place, so you may find it frustrating, especially for graphical/game work
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[17:25] <BenO> NucWin, not that I've seen - any progress from the people on the forums saying they are working on their own?
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[17:30] <RPiFan> hi, someone can help me?
[17:30] <RPiFan> i want to buy a LCD for the Raspberry Pi
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[17:30] <traeak> forums ?
[17:30] <RPiFan> but i don't know what is the better LCD
[17:31] <NucWin> seems its being worked on but guessing its going to take a while
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[17:33] <SpeedEvil> What sort of LCD.
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> Requirements differ if you want to fit it in a 2" round guage for your car, or view movies on it.
[17:35] <_inc> sasmung series 8 :)
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[17:37] * SpeedEvil wishes there were cheap round LCDs
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[17:37] <Demp> http://randomlab.info/public/pi/IMG_20120625_181333.jpg
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[17:37] <Demp> made a lego case :)
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[17:38] * BenO needs more PLA to print his own case :( ABS warps too much
[17:39] <BenO> Well, what I really need is a hot bed, but that's a different story
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[17:39] <RITRedbeard> general linux question: is there a HID class that is both keyboard and mouse input?
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[17:40] <BenO> SpeedEvil, gratias
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[17:42] <_inc> will a pi be a good router?
[17:42] <_inc> or are there some gotchas?
[17:42] <BenO> _inc, I wouldn't reckon so
[17:42] <BenO> _inc, not with that eth->USB chip bottleneck and iffy driver
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[17:43] <BenO> _inc, DHCP + DNS cache maybe
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[17:44] * SpeedEvil wishes Pi could be a bottleneck.
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[17:45] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/results/165590011.png
[17:46] <sjc_> slow speed is slow :P
[17:46] <BenO> SpeedEvil, being throttled, or something physically bad with the connection?
[17:47] <traeak> how did you test the speed?
[17:48] <_inc> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2028291382.png
[17:48] <_inc> thats pi
[17:48] <_inc> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2028293071.png
[17:48] <_inc> thats mac
[17:48] <_inc> same connection
[17:48] <_inc> tested through ssh tunnel
[17:50] <BenO> _inc, That does suggest that the chip is "Full Speed USB" (12Mbits/s) rather than what USB 2.0 can do at top spec
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[17:52] <BenO> Ah wait, the Pi was doing 6Mb/s not 6Mbits/s...?
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[17:53] <BenO> Shonky driver is shonky then :)
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[17:54] <mjr> it's high-speed, just high-overhead as well
[17:54] <BenO> mjr, yep
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[17:59] <gordonDrogon> Pi has high software overhead with ssh.
[17:59] <harish> i am happy that my raspberry pi arrived after waiting for weeks. well worth the wait
[17:59] <Da|Mummy> "weeks"?
[17:59] <harish> i have a question: is there a way to do USB boot?
[17:59] <harish> Da|Mummy, yes, 5 weeks.
[18:00] <harish> i am in singapore
[18:00] <Da|Mummy> oh, 5 weeks after it shipped?
[18:00] <lennard> harish: not exactly, though there are tricks to bootstrap a USB boot from the SD card
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> wget test on desktop: 2012-06-25 16:58:04 (799 KB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [10485760/10485760]
[18:00] <mjr> harish, no, firmware and kernel (and initrd) need to be on SD. Root filesystem can be on usb.
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> wget test on Pi: 2012-06-25 16:58:27 (830 KB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [10485760/10485760]
[18:00] <harish> i ordered it 5weeks ago on rsonline and it arrived here today. shipped out by dhl last friday.
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> wgetting a 10MB file off a server.
[18:01] <harish> mjr, lennard thanks.
[18:01] <harish> i am trying to set up a fedora remix and unfortunately all of my SD cards are either 1G or less.
[18:01] <harish> The Fedora remix needs about 1.6G
[18:01] <harish> uncompressed
[18:02] <Da|Mummy> hmm, i ordered in late feb(first order day) and my element14 just arrives like a weeka go
[18:02] <Da|Mummy> where do you find 1gb cards?
[18:02] <harish> all from stores here in singapore
[18:02] <lennard> harish: easiest probably is to do what mjr said then - kernel and stuff on SD, root on USB
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[18:02] <harish> lennard, wilco
[18:03] <harish> i have about 4 128MB micro SD cards, 2 1GB micro SD cards
[18:03] <Da|Mummy> frame them
[18:03] <harish> i guess i'll have to go get bigger ones in the morning
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[18:03] <harish> Da|Mummy, lol
[18:04] <markllama> heh I think I have a 64M and a 128M
[18:04] <Da|Mummy> omg
[18:04] <harish> from phones from eons past
[18:04] <markllama> the 64M is I think from a very old camera
[18:04] <BenO> harish, you can put the boot partition on the SD and the rootfs on the USB. Just change the boot parameters to match this (/dev/sda1 for example)
[18:05] <harish> BenO, ok. will explore that as well.
[18:05] <Da|Mummy> i have a 8gb(i think) pro duo, but most of my SD cards are in the 32gb range
[18:05] <sneakyne1ks> http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-SDXC-Flash-Memory-LSD128CRBNA133/dp/B004SAMZW4
[18:05] <sneakyne1ks> boom
[18:06] <oldman> Is there a cli I can access from within openelec xbmc. So I don't have to keep sshimg to acc ess the system?
[18:06] <Da|Mummy> sandisk sells theirs for $60 less
[18:06] <harish> i saw some 8G micro SD cards for about S$10 or so this past weekend (about US$8)
[18:06] <markllama> sneakyne1ks: next week they'll be half that and in 6 months they'll be on sale at CVS
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> sometimes wish I had faster here, but actually I've not had any real issues with the speed I get. I'm on a business-grade connection too,
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[18:07] <gordonDrogon> I'd always go for lower contention and a higher data cap than an overall higher speed.
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[18:07] <sneakyne1ks> oldman, use a tty
[18:07] <markllama> but that would require more infrastructure.
[18:08] <oldman> sneakynelks: That is new to me. How do I do that?
[18:08] <markllama> at least within OpenELEC I think there's a shell plugin under "Applications"
[18:08] <markllama> but I haven't tried it
[18:09] <sneakyne1ks> ctrl+alt+# where # is 1 through 9
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[18:09] <oldman> sneakynelks: OK I will give it a go. Thanks.
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[18:12] <sneakyne1ks> I gave him wrong advice... D:
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[18:13] <oldman> sneakynelks: I have just tried ctrl+alt+1,2,3,4,5,6. Nothing happens. It remains in xbmc.
[18:13] <sneakyne1ks> oldman, it's actually ctrl+alt+[Function Key]
[18:13] <sneakyne1ks> sorry about that
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[18:14] <oldman> sneakynelks: I tried those as well. Nothing happens.
[18:15] <D-side> if you're not in X, it should just be alt-F#
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[18:16] <alyosha_sql> hmm does anyone have idea why i get permission denied when i try to download torrent to USBstick conected to my Pi?
[18:16] <alyosha_sql> it i try downloading it on memorystick it's no problem
[18:16] * harish way past sleepy time. been a good day with raspberry pi being delivered!
[18:16] <alyosha_sql> but on USB it's no go
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[18:16] <RITRedbeard> fstab mount mask?
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[18:16] <RITRedbeard> check yo permissinos
[18:17] <ian_mac> how long does DHL usually take to deliver once it has been shipped from UK to Canada?
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[18:17] <alyosha_sql> i chmoded to 777
[18:17] <alyosha_sql> but i get drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 25 16:07 torrents
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[18:17] <alyosha_sql> it's like i can't chmode to 777
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[18:18] <RITRedbeard> whoareu?
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[18:18] <RITRedbeard> uid=0?
[18:18] <RITRedbeard> maybe it has to do with mounting the device as a file system
[18:18] <RITRedbeard> check what 'mount' says about the device
[18:19] <RITRedbeard> it might have write protect on
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[18:19] <SpeedEvil> BenO: sucky line
[18:20] <alyosha_sql> i'm loged in as "pi" uid=1000
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[18:20] <alyosha_sql> /dev/sda1 on /home/pi/torrents type vfat (rw)
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[18:22] <mjr> alyosha_sql, are you trying to download a file more than 4 gigs in size?
[18:22] <alyosha_sql> no
[18:22] <alyosha_sql> 200mb
[18:22] <alyosha_sql> it don't even start downloading
[18:22] <alyosha_sql> i allso don't have right permissions
[18:22] <alyosha_sql> but i can't set them
[18:23] <BenO> set it with mount options - vfat has no real notion of those sorts of permissions
[18:23] <mjr> ah. you need mount option uid=1000 or whatever your uid is
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[18:39] <alyosha_sql> mjr i tried mounting with my uid but still the same:/
[18:39] <alyosha_sql> i used sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /home/pi/torrents/ -o uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137
[18:39] <mjr> from a state where it was not already mounted?
[18:40] <mjr> also I think options need to be before device and mount point
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[19:05] <Cheery> if I want to access keyboard raw. what should I do?
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[19:06] <BenO> Cheery, in linux? You can read the device 'file' for keyboard, that's pretty raw
[19:07] <Cheery> BenO: does it prevent tty?
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[19:09] <BenO> Cheery, prevents tty from picking up keystrokes? or from running?
[19:09] <Cheery> BenO: what does that mean?
[19:09] <dirty_d> Cheery, use the /dev/input/event? file
[19:09] <dirty_d> it doesnt prevent anything
[19:09] <BenO> Cheery, I'm not sure what you mean by "prevent tty"
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> reading a keyboard 'raw' is fraught with issues... the first is the keyboard layout - one man's ? is another mans # ...
[19:10] <tschrag> Hey all! Just got my Pi up and running with Squeeze. Do I need to do anything special to get my monitor to recognize HDMI? It does work with a DVI adapter but not straight from HDMI.
[19:10] <BenO> gordonDrogon <- what he said too :)
[19:10] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: yeah, I don't care. I just want some input :)
[19:10] <BenO> ^^ for Cheery
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> however it is possible to treat is as a 104 key "joystick" ..
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> you can detect keydown and keyup events.
[19:10] <BenO> Cheery, there's the termios hack or ncurses as ways of getting keyboard entry
[19:10] <Cheery> I'd like to just get keyboard input and disable tty input during that
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, do you want 'characters' or keypress events (ie. key down, key up)
[19:11] <dirty_d> Cheery, ok then just use stdin
[19:11] <BenO> Cheery, what prog language are you intending to read from?
[19:11] <dirty_d> termios isnt a hack
[19:11] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: keypress events are okay
[19:11] <BenO> s/from/with/
[19:11] <Cheery> I can map them myself
[19:11] <kghost> is there any partition layout requirement to boot rpi
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[19:12] <Cheery> BenO: python
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, Look at how SDL does it then. You can probably do it without SDL, but SDL gives you an interface like that - ie. you can read the shift keys, etc.
[19:12] <Cheery> actually I want to make a lib that does this
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> SDL's already a lib that does it.
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> kghost, sort of yes. the first partition must be FAT...
[19:13] <Cheery> yeah. but I want something that natively does opengl
[19:13] <dirty_d> Cheery, http://docs.python.org/library/termios.html
[19:13] <BenO> Cheery, lines 6-16 set it up, line 83 does the non-blocking read: https://github.com/benosteen/pyopengles/blob/master/02_Hello_Rotating_Triangle.py
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> termios won't give you keydown/up events...
[19:13] <Cheery> dirty_d: termios lets me cut off the input right?
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> fflush (stdin) ;
[19:14] <dirty_d> Cheery, it will let you readc a character at a time instead of a line at a time
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> if you mean to discard any characters already typed...
[19:14] <Cheery> dirty_d: that's bit primitive
[19:14] <BenO> Cheery, it won't give you keypress combinations though
[19:14] <Cheery> key up commands are needed for any basic game too.
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, dirty_d 's way is much higher level than the SDL stuff I'm pointing you at!
[19:15] <Cheery> I'll look at the /dev/input -thing myself. :)
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> it's also portable - and work with any generic unix system.
[19:15] <BenO> Cheery, the python example I linked to is the termios method
[19:15] <Cheery> I guess there's some terminal command treatment for stdin
[19:15] <dirty_d> if its a game or soemthing use SDL like gordonDrogon said
[19:15] <Cheery> BenO: I saw it
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> you either enable 'raw' character mode using termiios directly or ncurses, or go lower with something like SDL
[19:16] <BenO> Cheery, I'd agree that you need something more sophisticated for games - multi-key essential
[19:16] <Cheery> well I want something better than SDL
[19:16] <Cheery> which is why I'm looking into this now. :)
[19:16] <dirty_d> better than sdl?
[19:16] <dirty_d> whats wrong with it
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> well look at the source code for SDL and DIY.
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> you haven't actually said what you want.
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> if you just want to read characters or get key down/up events...
[19:17] <Cheery> dirty_d: SDL is highly portable, that's the good thing it has. but it also means it doesn't quite have support for all kinds of cool things
[19:17] <BenO> Such as?
[19:17] <bnmorgan> whats the minimum size SD to run darkelec from?
[19:17] <Cheery> BenO: multiple windows at once, multiple keyboards at once.. multiple mice at once.. :)
[19:18] <Cheery> apparently I could get events from my keyboard.
[19:18] <Cheery> claims to be event2
[19:18] <dirty_d> yea there should be some way to figure out what is what programatically
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/multitask.html
[19:19] <dirty_d> /dev/input/by-id isnt a bad way
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[19:20] <Cheery> dirty_d: I realised that too
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[19:20] <dirty_d> the format of the data you read from it is pretty simple
[19:20] <Cheery> it also seems nothing prevents me from grabbing it
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[19:21] <dirty_d> correct
[19:22] <dirty_d> except file permissions
[19:22] <BenO> IIRC SDL 1.3 supports multiple input devices - at least that was on the roadmap
[19:23] <BenO> It might have been pushed to the ahem forthcoming 2.0
[19:23] <dirty_d> Cheery, http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/include/linux/input.h
[19:24] <dirty_d> struct input_event is what youre reading from the device
[19:24] <Cheery> this thing seems to oddly fire multiple times
[19:24] <dirty_d> it does
[19:24] <dirty_d> key press, key held, key up
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[19:24] <Cheery> timeval + u16 u16 s32
[19:24] <dirty_d> it will fire key held while the key is down at the repeat rate
[19:24] <Cheery> hey what's the timeval struct?
[19:25] <dirty_d> two 32 bit integers i think
[19:25] <dirty_d> http://linux.die.net/man/2/gettimeofday
[19:25] <Cheery> kernel long
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[19:26] <Cheery> if I want to decipher the keys.. I need the keymap I guess too
[19:26] <dirty_d> yea, the code is the scan code or soemthing
[19:27] <Cheery> oddly those things are long_t and not ulong
[19:27] <Cheery> looks like this is candybaby to retrieve.
[19:28] <Cheery> at same time wondering that I'd perhaps like more about coffeescript than python now
[19:29] <Cheery> js has better typed array and binary handling than python
[19:29] <dirty_d> Cheery, http://source-android.frandroid.com/external/kernel-headers/original/linux/input.h
[19:29] <dirty_d> thre are #defines for all the keys
[19:29] <Cheery> UUUGH!
[19:30] <Cheery> dirty_d: yeah
[19:30] <dirty_d> #define KEY_ZENKAKUHANKAKU 85
[19:30] <dirty_d> wtf
[19:30] <Cheery> but there should be real keymaps too
[19:30] <Cheery> after all you get such stuff into tty and all
[19:30] <dirty_d> what are you trying to map to?
[19:30] <dirty_d> yes
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[19:31] <dirty_d> keep in mind you sould have to do the shift state converting and stuff too
[19:32] <Cheery> oh that's trivial
[19:32] <Cheery> there's just fixed amount of keys, and you can do that with hashmap
[19:32] <Cheery> .get(name, False)
[19:32] <Cheery> and always when key-event comes up, mark the boolean into the map
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[19:35] <Cheery> all right
[19:35] <Cheery> trivial!
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[19:35] <Cheery> did it already
[19:35] <dirty_d> Cheery, maybe use this? zcat /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/us.map.gz
[19:35] <Cheery> maybe
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[19:36] <Cheery> hm
[19:36] <Cheery> cool
[19:37] <Cheery> there's key repeat events as well. :D
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[19:37] <Cheery> actually
[19:38] <Cheery> there seems to come three such events PER every key
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[19:38] <gordonDrogon> Yes. Down, repeat and up.
[19:38] <Cheery> no.
[19:38] <Cheery> I mean there comes this kind of events:
[19:38] <Cheery> 1340645800 514513 4 4 28
[19:38] <Cheery> 1340645800 514517 1 28 0
[19:38] <Cheery> 1340645800 514517 0 0 0
[19:39] <nemo> https://github.com/rwldrn/johnny-five javascript/node.js serial IO for arduino - is there anything like this for RPI?
[19:39] <dirty_d> look in that header to see what that means
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[19:40] <gordonDrogon> nemo, not sure about all that, but if a couple of days I'll be putting basic serial handling into my wiringPi library, so you can get serial things from a C program on the Pi.
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[19:41] <BenO> nemo, Doesn't it run on the Pi?
[19:41] <BenO> (with arduino I mean)
[19:41] <dirty_d> something seems wrong there
[19:41] <dirty_d> 514513 should be a smaller number id think
[19:41] <dirty_d> thats the event type
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> nemo, Ah that's firmata.
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> it's a remote control protocol for Arduino.
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> It will "just work" on hte Pi.
[19:42] <Cheery> looks like evio defines some retrieve info about the device
[19:42] <BenO> Well, once node.js is installed on the Pi, anyhow :)
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> yea, I wrote my own remote control for Aduinos before I learned of the existance of firmata....
[19:42] <nemo> BenO: I assumed there'd be some compatibility work for getting it to work ok w/ GPIO
[19:43] <dirty_d> Cheery, nevermind the first two are the timeval, oops
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> So I control my Arduinos from C via serial port to simple remote control s/w running on the Arduino.
[19:43] <nemo> BenO: it just seemed like a nice accessible layer
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> it's just serial IO - you send a command to the arduino and read back a result.
[19:43] <Cheery> looks like event type 1 is the keycode
[19:43] <Cheery> the command coming befor ethat is MSC
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> mine does the same, but it's somewhat lighter weight - 2 bytes per commands instead of 14 ...
[19:43] <BenO> nemo, the johnny-five is a remote control layer for a serially connected arduino - are you after the same js control for the GPIO on the PI?
[19:44] <nemo> BenO: yes!
[19:44] <Cheery> after that comes a EV_SYN
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> nemo wiringPi :)
[19:44] <BenO> nemo, in js?
[19:44] <nemo> BenO: well. seemed like a nice accessible language
[19:44] <BenO> or are you language agnostic? :)
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[19:44] <nemo> BenO: my boss' kid is already familiar w/ it due to codeacademy
[19:44] <nemo> BenO: language agnostic, I know gordonDrogon has covered
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[19:45] <Cheery> looks like this could do more than just read keyboard input
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> GPIO in BASH: http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/gpioExamples/tuxx.sh
[19:45] <dirty_d> Cheery, filter out anything but type 1 for keyboard for now
[19:45] <BenO> nemo, GPIO is mostly unshielded electronically however
[19:45] <Cheery> I'll take the mouse input too while I'm at it.
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/ is the start of the article...
[19:46] <dirty_d> Cheery, the easiest way to figure this all out is just to press keys and see how hte numbers change
[19:46] <nemo> gordonDrogon: heh. that's using commandline wrappers. nice though.
[19:46] * nemo files it away
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> nemo, the library is in C, so call it however...
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> nemo, e.g. same program in C: http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/gpioExamples/tuxx.c
[19:47] <nemo> yeah. was just wondering about wrapper layers, but fine. I can make one :)
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[19:47] <Cheery> mouse gives out EV_REL events.
[19:48] <Cheery> as well as EV_KEY
[19:48] <dirty_d> yup
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> What I did in my BASIC was to extrapolate the wiringPi library with the Arduino remote control library, so you could run the same IO on the Arduino as the Pi with minimal changes to the program...
[19:48] <Cheery> oh did this register tablet devices too?
[19:48] <dirty_d> Cheery, it should have a file for every input device
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> (every usb device :)
[19:49] <Cheery> okay. so to the next thing.
[19:49] <dirty_d> only usb?
[19:49] <Cheery> you think there would be some trivial way to see when a keyboard gets attached?
[19:50] <Cheery> or detached?
[19:50] <Cheery> and enumeration of those in system
[19:50] <dirty_d> sysfs maybe
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> if your looking at /dev/input... well my keyboard isn't there!
[19:50] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, is your mouse?
[19:51] <nemo> Cheery: dmesg output? :)
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, yes, that's usb.
[19:51] <dirty_d> that s dirty
[19:51] <Cheery> nemo: oh cmon
[19:51] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, why would they make that only work for usb?
[19:51] <dirty_d> its an input device subsystem
[19:51] <dirty_d> seems odd
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> how should I know!
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[19:53] <bootc> afternoon all
[19:53] <Cheery> hi bootc
[19:53] <Cheery> we are wondering for primitive things
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> What Ho, Mt BootC!
[19:53] <Cheery> these primitive days
[19:53] <bootc> can someone running my kernel see if I compiled the mceusb module? :-)
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[19:53] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, you are - we're trying to push you to better things :)
[19:53] <nemo> Cheery: what, $ dmesg | grep -Ei -A2 "new usb device found" | grep -i -B2 keyboard is too hackish? :)
[19:54] <bootc> my RPi is in a box atm :-/
[19:54] <Cheery> nemo: absolutely
[19:54] <nemo> :-p
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[19:54] <bootc> ('modinfo mceusb' should say as long as you're booted into my kernel)
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> bootc, I compiled my own... did ypu push the .config anywhere you can check?
[19:54] <bootc> bit silly of me, but no
[19:54] <bootc> nevermind I think I have another route I can take
[19:55] <nemo> Cheery: that's even timestamped in case you miss it. features!
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> is there a compiled kernel I can try to exctract the config.gz from?
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[19:55] <bootc> gordonDrogon: don't worry
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> ok
[19:55] <bootc> bootc@babbage linux-source-3.2.21-rpi1+ $ dpkg-deb -c linux-image-3.2.21-rpi1+_1_armel.deb | grep mceusb
[19:55] <bootc> -rw-r--r-- root/root 26672 2012-06-23 11:17 ./lib/modules/3.2.21-rpi1+/kernel/drivers/media/rc/mceusb.ko
[19:56] <bootc> that'll do it :-)
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[19:56] <gordonDrogon> you've shelled into someone elses :)
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[19:56] <bootc> nope, shelled into the server that hosts my apt repo
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> Oh, 3.2.21...
[19:57] <Cheery> oh well this is just madness I'm attempting
[19:57] <bootc> and dumped the package contents
[19:57] <bootc> gordonDrogon: yep
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> any major updates?
[19:57] <bootc> gordonDrogon: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/ChangeLog-3.2.21
[19:57] <bootc> nothing too major usually
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> I meant from your side, really...
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[19:57] <bootc> but I must confess I didn't even read it really
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[19:58] <Cheery> the evdev is sort of cool by part.. but it's also extremely disturbing
[19:58] <bootc> oh, err, a few extra patches from the official kernel including some stuff for ALSA
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[19:58] <gordonDrogon> must get round to testing the SPI driver at some point.
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[19:58] <bootc> 3.2.22 should include some other patches I wrote that went mainline, but nothing to do with RPi sadly
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> ok
[19:59] <bootc> (for e1000e and PCIe ASPM)
[19:59] <ghallberg> Hey, I'm getting very high CPU usage on rtorrent, when downloading at high speeds (>2.5 MB/s maybe?) is this normal?
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> ghallberg, maybe the Pi isn't the ideal torrent platform...
[19:59] <bootc> ghallberg: total guess, but yes - the raspberrypi has very limited CPU power
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[19:59] <gordonDrogon> especially if you're getting from a high number of encrypted sources...
[20:00] <Cheery> hmm
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> bootc, is the SPI driver relatively easy to use?
[20:00] <bootc> gordonDrogon: depends what you want to do with it :-)
[20:00] <ghallberg> Maybe it isn't, I've just seen several other people using rtorrent on the Pi. So I wanted to ask....
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> bootc, read numbers from one device and write numbers to another....
[20:01] <bootc> it goes from really simple (open /dev/spidev0.x; read() or write(); close the fd) to a bit more complex (open /dev/spidev0.x, send ioctl() messages) to the most complex (tweak the kernel code to attach a kernel-level driver to the interface instead of spidev)
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> Hmm... Maybe if I have time on Friday I'll give it a look then..
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> I have a D/A convertor and an A/D ...
[20:03] <bootc> work out what the protocol is exactly and that'll basically determine the route you need to take
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> will do.
[20:03] <bootc> but you're most likely to need to take the second route with the ioctl() stuff
[20:03] <ghallberg> And now it suddenly works after a reboot...
[20:04] <bootc> (you can only really drive shift registers with the simplest of methods, or things that look like shift registers)
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[20:05] <gordonDrogon> looks like you simple send a 16-bit word to the D/A with the top 4- bits specifying the accuracy...
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> have to say, it almost looks easier to bit-bang it out... but if I can open()/write() ... then it might be fine..
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[20:07] <bootc> it'll be much faster to go through the SPI driver I'd say
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> to create nice waveforms, I'm sure.
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[20:07] <bootc> what language/tool were you thinking of using to do this in?
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> C
[20:07] <bootc> oh easy peasy then
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[20:08] <gordonDrogon> I do everything in C. Even wroce my BASIC interpreter in C...
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> Or php, but that's just sloppy C :)
[20:08] <bootc> one moment please caller while I transfer you to your next available documentation link
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[20:08] <bootc> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/spi/spidev_test.c
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[20:10] <gordonDrogon> bootc, neat. thanks. is the device 1.1 and 1.2 for the 2 separate Chip selects?
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[20:11] <bootc> 0.0 and 0.1 I think, but yes one for each CEx line
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> ok
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> currently using the SPI port in bit-banged mode to program ATmegas via their ISP port.
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> I assume the driver won't touch the pins until it's first opened... ?
[20:12] <bootc> nice, isn't there a patch for avrdude that'll do it using the native SPI interface?
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[20:12] <bootc> (if not, there should be)
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> there's a patch to do it bit-banged...
[20:12] <bootc> well that's no use :-P
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> it works. quick too.
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[20:14] <gordonDrogon> better than using the serial port - that works too, but was a bit fiddly to setup.
[20:14] <bootc> I may have a Pi+ATMega project currently concocting so do keep me up to date :-)
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> downside is that we now need 4 gpio pins, not 1.
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> if you run it at 3.3v then you're limited to 12MHz
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> wish I could get some money for some of this... maybe one day!
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[20:15] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, what are you making?
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[20:16] <bootc> gordonDrogon: seen http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/06/20/raspberry-pi-xbee-smt-backpack/ ? any comments?
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> I'm not making anything - I currently have a board from some people on test to do the ATmega integration.
[20:16] <dirty_d> what about atxmega?
[20:16] <dirty_d> 32MHz at 3.3
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> bootc, intersting... I've recently used some XRF/URF modules - arduino to Pi (URF is USB)
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, the board I have has an ATmega 28-pin device on it.
[20:17] <dirty_d> ahh i see
[20:17] <dirty_d> it doesnt really seem like the xmegas have caught on
[20:17] <dirty_d> even theough tehyre way better and similarly proced
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[20:18] <bootc> my next idea is a board that will act as a UART for the RPi with an ATmega, and can control the RPi's power too - but can do anything you like wired up to I2C and SPI and whatnot
[20:18] <dirty_d> lack of dip perhaps?
[20:19] <dirty_d> it seems like the design of the xmegas is much more well thought out than the atmegas
[20:19] <bootc> dirty_d: yep, I bet the SMD puts lots of people off
[20:19] <bootc> the earlier ones also have *a lot* of errata
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[20:19] <dirty_d> bootc, i used a newer model, atxmega32a4u
[20:19] <dirty_d> only like 2 things on the errata, i didnt have any problems
[20:20] <dirty_d> you could interface one with the pi over usb too
[20:20] <bootc> much better
[20:20] <bootc> usb host/device/both?
[20:20] <dirty_d> device
[20:20] <bootc> and what packages does it come in?
[20:20] <dirty_d> im not sure, i used tqfp64
[20:20] <bootc> I can handle a TQFP-48 but nothing much less :-/
[20:21] <bootc> yeah, ouch
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> by the solder and swipe method...
[20:21] <dirty_d> wait no
[20:21] <dirty_d> tqfp48
[20:21] <dirty_d> i think
[20:21] <dirty_d> its very easy to solder
[20:21] <bootc> yeah 48s aren't bad
[20:21] <dirty_d> the qfn24 was harder...
[20:21] <dirty_d> i hate not being able to see the solder joints
[20:21] <dirty_d> i resoldered it like 5 times
[20:21] <dirty_d> but it came out ok
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> I'm so out of touch with that stuff now )-:
[20:22] <bootc> TQFP-44
[20:22] <dirty_d> yes 44, that was it
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> I did think of treating myself to a new soldering iron though... my old weller magnastat is still ok though, but it bit tempramental...
[20:23] <dirty_d> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Atmel/ATXMEGA32A4U-AU/?qs=HbI/MOA3e15cJNiXny0Nsrrd%252bT6q8C0e
[20:23] <dirty_d> looks like the price dropped
[20:23] <dirty_d> $3.42 now
[20:23] <Demp> installed vnc on the rpi, debian disto, but it doesn't play video very well.. any ideas?
[20:23] <dirty_d> it was like $5.50 when i got them
[20:24] <bootc> Atmel being fabless the stock levels (and thus price) vary wildly
[20:24] <Demp> sorry, vlc, not vnc
[20:24] <bootc> Demp: I don't think VLC can use the built-in acceleration, so it will be pants
[20:24] <BenO> Demp - no X acceleration, and the Pi has a slow CPU
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[20:25] <Gadgetoid> Wow, Eagle ls clunky and has a learning wall
[20:25] <Demp> that sucks. so xbmc is the only option?
[20:25] <Terranigma> i trie vnc, it sure doesnt
[20:25] <Terranigma> vklc
[20:25] <BenO> Demp, omxplayer really
[20:25] <Terranigma> vlc*
[20:25] * markllama wonders what kind of mushrooms he needs to slip into some exec's smoothie at Broadcom to get them to allow HW excel with the Pi.
[20:25] <bootc> Demp: does omxplayer do what you want?
[20:26] <bootc> not used it, so have no idea what exactly it does / looks like tbh
[20:26] <dirty_d> isnt omxplayer the only player that will work well?
[20:26] <Demp> bootc: no idea what omxplayer is, so dunno
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yea, I used Eagle for the first time yesterday...
[20:26] <BenO> markllama, Try caffeine - the driver needs to be written, not allowed :)
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[20:26] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: just tried it for the first time today... horrible! think I'll hand draw in a vector app
[20:26] <markllama> I thought the block was closed-source?
[20:26] <dirty_d> i used eagle to make my quadcopter board
[20:26] <BenO> Demp, it's the player using in xbmc - uses the h.264 decoder on the video core to get good playback
[20:27] <dirty_d> pcb design definitely isnt one of my favorite things to do
[20:27] <Demp> BenO: I'll give it a go, thanks
[20:27] <bootc> eagle is win
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I did more work on it today - slowly getting there, but for what I need, I might as well have hand-drawn it too.
[20:27] <BenO> Demp, there are install instructions somewhere... Does anyone know if it's in the repos?
[20:27] <BenO> (raspian)
[20:27] <Gadgetoid> Omnigraffle looks promising
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I did this and it took meages and it's not really what I want... https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ladder.png
[20:28] <dirty_d> someones gotta make a atxmega addon board over usb
[20:28] <dirty_d> tht would be very powerful
[20:28] <Cheery> hey I can use pyudev
[20:28] <dirty_d> youd have like 22 PWM channels etc
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[20:28] <BenO> markllama, The trick is using the video core to accelerate X - the low-level is a blob, but there is an API and OpenGL ES 2.0 support
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> is the atcmega a 32-bit chip?
[20:28] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: that'd be easy to vector up or hand draw, much easier than fighting with Eagle
[20:28] <markllama> ahh.
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I know - couldn't even find the switches I wanted!
[20:29] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, nope, 8-bit very similar to the atmega, i think the same instruction set
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[20:29] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, its the peripherals that are completely redesigned
[20:29] * markllama is a sysadmin, so not much help at driver writing I'm afraid.
[20:29] <dirty_d> much, much better
[20:29] <BenO> markllama, missing the glue code to say do windows as textures and composite using the code
[20:29] <bootc> dirty_d: why USB?
[20:29] <bootc> wouldn't you rather SPI so you can use the USB for something else? :-)
[20:29] <dirty_d> bootc, cuz most people already have a hub and it wont take any gpio pins
[20:30] <bootc> well, my idea was for it to be a GPIO expansion board and I had plans for the device mode USB as I mentioned (UART)
[20:30] <bootc> but you'd still have access to all the functions of the XMega
[20:31] <dirty_d> oh, are you already working on something like this for xmega?
[20:31] <bootc> I am hatching plans in my head at the moment, yes
[20:31] <dirty_d> cool
[20:31] <bootc> nothing on paper or in Eagle yet
[20:31] <RITRedbeard> is it possible to gang up GPIOs and treat them as a UART?
[20:31] <bootc> hadn't decided on an XMega either but it could be
[20:31] <RITRedbeard> kinda silly but to plug in PS/2 device?
[20:32] <bootc> RITRedbeard: PS/2 doesn't want a UART, but you could try to bitbang it I guess yes
[20:32] <dirty_d> bootc, there might be better ones out now since i used that one
[20:32] <bootc> you'd likely want that in kernel mode though
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> a sort of super GPIO device with high-speed commands to/from the Pi might go down well.
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> the gertboard looks good, but also a bit limiting by the looks of it.
[20:32] <dirty_d> yea the xmega peripherals are pretty rediculous
[20:33] <dirty_d> 8 16-bit PWM channels i believe, the one i have
[20:33] <dirty_d> if you reconfigure it you can have 22 8-bit or soemthing
[20:33] <dirty_d> 2 12-bit ADCs
[20:33] <dirty_d> at 2Msps
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> pwm's overrated. give me proper DAC's :)
[20:34] <bootc> hmm the "ATxmega16A4U/32A4U/64A4U/128A4U Complete" PDF is missing from Atmel's site
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[20:34] <nfoonf> hi
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[20:34] <bootc> gordonDrogon: it has a DAC
[20:35] <bootc> 12-bit
[20:35] <BenO> You'd definitely want to use your own kernel level code for the GPIO bitbang - the current code can't be toggled fast or with reliable durations
[20:35] <RITRedbeard> I meant without bit-banging
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[20:35] <oldman> How do I get to a cli on openelec xbmc?
[20:35] <bootc> oldman: try Ctrl-Alt-F1
[20:36] <BenO> RITRedbeard, so have a 2nd UART with some of the GPIO pins, alongside the one there already?
[20:36] <oldman> bootc: I have tried that. It does not work.
[20:36] <bootc> ah, no idea then sorry
[20:36] <dirty_d> bootc, its this one http://www.atmel.com/Images/doc8331.pdf
[20:36] <bootc> dirty_d: I have that one
[20:36] <bootc> it's doc8387.pdf that doesn't work
[20:36] <dirty_d> they have the links messed up
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> there is a 2nd uart on the SoC, but I'm not sure if it can be extracted...
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[20:37] <dirty_d> the top one is the complete manual
[20:37] <dirty_d> the bottom is the summary
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> not sure why you want another uart on it though - just use a usb one...
[20:37] <bootc> gordonDrogon: no, you can't use the other UART with the RPi
[20:37] <RITRedbeard> Just thinking out loud.
[20:37] <RITRedbeard> "An Intel 8042/compatible microcontroller is used as the PC's keyboard controller. In modern computers, this microcontroller is hidden within the motherboard's chipset, which integrates many controllers in a single package. Nonetheless, this device is still there, and the keyboard controller is still commonly referred to as "the 8042". "
[20:37] <dirty_d> the link to the summary did work for me though
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> have you seen the chaps on the forum building a logic analyser on the Pi? They're stopping interrupts and polling the GPIO pins...
[20:38] <RITRedbeard> gordonDrogon, I haven't tried yet but I'm going to try to enumerate my device as mouse+kb all in one
[20:38] <bootc> dirty_d: nope, one is the general manual for the whole XMEGA AU series, the other one digs down into the particular XMEGA3xxA4U
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[20:38] <bootc> you don't get pinouts in the first, for example
[20:38] <dirty_d> bootc, right, but xmegas are designed differently than the megas, that manual applies the same to every one in that series
[20:38] <dirty_d> the other document only shows the things that differ
[20:38] <bootc> and you don't get as much info about the peripherals in the second
[20:39] <dirty_d> like memory addresses and pins
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[20:39] <bootc> right, but if I'm going to use it I need to know the pinout
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[20:39] <bootc> which isn't in the PDF I can get to
[20:39] <dirty_d> you cant download the 8387?
[20:40] <bootc> no, it says "Dummy File for doc8387.pdf"
[20:42] <dirty_d> bootc, http://cisweb.bristolcc.edu/~klabs/doc8387.pdf
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[20:42] <bootc> thank you most kindly, kind sir
[20:43] <dirty_d> no problem
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[20:43] <bootc> I think it's an older rev (Rev B) but it'll do nicely ta
[20:44] <Cheery> looks like I'm able to detect device additions and removals now
[20:44] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, got a link to the logic analyzer work on the pi?
[20:46] <dirty_d> bootc, i put an old one there by mistake, if you re-download its the latest from the site
[20:46] <dirty_d> the link works for me for some reason
[20:46] <bootc> I just tried twice from two different IPs :-/
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[20:47] <bootc> yeah that one you just uploaded is broken too
[20:47] <dirty_d> bootc, oh im wrong
[20:47] <dirty_d> i didnt understad you
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[20:47] <dirty_d> its a file that contains "dummy data"
[20:47] <dirty_d> lol
[20:47] <bootc> it's only 26 bytes long, and those bytes say "Dummy File for doc8387.pdf"
[20:48] <bootc> clever atmel
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[20:48] <dirty_d> bootc, still got rev b?
[20:49] <bootc> yup
[20:49] <dirty_d> ok
[20:49] <bootc> ta
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[20:50] <bootc> that series sounds like exactly what I'm after
[20:50] <bootc> tho perhaps the 64 or 128 variant rather than the 32
[20:50] <bootc> maybe
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[20:51] <dirty_d> even mouser has that dummy file
[20:51] <dirty_d> bozos
[20:51] <ReggieUK> can't you download it from atmel?
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[20:51] <bootc> ReggieUK: no, we tried that first thing
[20:51] <ReggieUK> I Thought you might've done
[20:52] <bootc> you try it! http://www.atmel.com/Images/doc8387.pdf
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[20:52] <bootc> OK I can't seem to get hold of the 64/128 so the 32 it is
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, this is part of the thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=7696&p=108538&e=108538
[20:53] <Cheery> hmm
[20:53] <Cheery> pyudev lets me detect when a device wakes up or dies
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[20:54] <bootc> ok, time for brain switch-off for a bit and some Diablo 3
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> Heh... someone else has written some C based GPIO code - even ripped off part of my wiringPi code too!
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> shame he didn't ack. my work, but hey ho...
[20:55] <RITRedbeard> I bet that's what Tanenbaum thought about Linus.
[20:55] <willl0u> Does anyone here has tried to install SiriProxy on his Pi ?
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[20:56] <bootc> so before I go, any feature requests for my RPi+ATXMEGA addon board?
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[20:57] <gordonDrogon> put female jumper blocks on it ...
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> so you can build arduino style "shields".
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> and make the pin outs 0.1" so that you can use standard stripboard for shields!!!
[20:58] <bootc> :-)
[20:58] <bootc> yep that's a fair request
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[20:59] <Gadgetoid> bootc: make it pop
[20:59] <Gadgetoid> And sell it to me pre-assembled, I'm a noob :D
[20:59] <bootc> not 100% sure about shields of my own design though, we have enough different sorts to be a real PITA
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[20:59] <gordonDrogon> concentrate on a good solid interface - serial to the Pi with the others being optional, but usable.
[20:59] <bootc> so if I do shields they'd be Arduino compatible, along with the dodgy spacing
[21:00] <Gadgetoid> Meh, arduino shields suck
[21:00] <bootc> I'd connect serial + i2c + spi + GPIOs to the chip
[21:00] <RITRedbeard> arduino kinda sucks, no offense
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> they do, but there's lots of them.
[21:00] <dirty_d> ive always just used bare avrs
[21:00] <bootc> with solder jumpers (most likely) to {dis,en}able
[21:00] <Gadgetoid> RITRedbeard: most arduino users would agree
[21:00] <Matt> hrm
[21:00] <Matt> time for a brew
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> arduno has gotten 10000's more people into tinkering with hardare again.
[21:00] <Matt> question is, tea or coffee?
[21:00] <plugwash> bootc, OOI have you seen any hanging problems with your kernels under heavy load?
[21:00] <dirty_d> beer
[21:01] <bootc> yep, and there's a million different shields
[21:01] <Gadgetoid> Arduino has achieved some cool things, but the hardware is mired in crappyness
[21:01] <RITRedbeard> Isn't the Uno now allowing HID client support?
[21:01] <bootc> plugwash: nope, not that I've noticed or had pointed out to me for a long time
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> but to start a new standard would require a lot of support ...
[21:01] <RITRedbeard> or something like that... anyway, I like the Teensy.
[21:01] <Gadgetoid> RITRedbeard: isn't that the Leonardo?
[21:01] <bootc> yeah the Teensy is awesome
[21:01] <Gadgetoid> Great fun when your sketch hangs up and takes serial programming IO with it :D
[21:01] <dirty_d> is that the one on a usb stick?
[21:02] <solar_sea> Hey, I'd be getting my pi tomorrow. After waiting for it since March, I still can't believe it's comming.
[21:02] <RITRedbeard> Nah.
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[21:02] <plugwash> bootc, thanks for the info, i've been trying to combine your work with the debian kernel packaging but i'm having freezeup problems
[21:02] <RITRedbeard> plus teensy is cheaper I think
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> bootc, if you could put a set of 4 dip-switches to enable/disable 4 gpip pins to the spi port, then it might be handy to program without a bootloader..
[21:02] <Gadgetoid> I still want a Leonardo, though, there are no breadboard friendly versions of the USB-ready ATMegas
[21:02] <Gadgetoid> Or a Teensy 2.0
[21:03] <dirty_d> Gadget-Mac, adapter board and atxmega
[21:03] <plugwash> bootc, also what gcc version do you use?
[21:03] <RITRedbeard> That's what I've got, it was $16 :)
[21:03] <RITRedbeard> Arduino is good for prototyping, I guess.
[21:04] <bootc> gordonDrogon: well the XMEGA is PDI...
[21:04] <dirty_d> yea
[21:04] <bootc> plugwash: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
[21:04] <bootc> that one :-)
[21:04] <Gadgetoid> I can buy a Teensy 2.0 for $16... only have to pay the $74 shippoing and $30 customs :D
[21:04] <RITRedbeard> so is Teensy (good for prototyping)
[21:04] <RITRedbeard> :(
[21:05] <bootc> have no idea how PDI works, so I don't even know how it can be bit-banged at the moment
[21:05] <plugwash> bootc, ok so your using linaro 4.6, i'm using debian 4.6 (patched for raspbian defaults) dunno how much difference there is
[21:05] <bootc> plugwash: pass, sorry :-)
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> bootc, ah, that's new then.
[21:06] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, thanks for the link :)
[21:06] <ReggieUK> interesting that he's got that far with it
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[21:07] <Gadget-Mac> Gadgetoid: What do you mean by 'breadboard friendly' ?
[21:07] <ReggieUK> seems like it's something you might get away with using if you're very aware of all the caveats but not something that would end up in a consumer prodict
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[21:07] <Cheery> /dev/input/event3 "Logitech Trackball"
[21:07] <Cheery> /dev/input/event8 "Logitech Logitech Cordless RumblePad 2"
[21:07] <Cheery> /dev/input/event2 "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"
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[21:07] <Cheery> I got this far. :)
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[21:07] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: a bare DIP IC, or whatever you call em!
[21:07] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: I know you can get breakouts, like the teensy 2.0... but it doesn't seem to be readily available in the UK for anything less than a billion times its normal price
[21:08] <Cheery> with the monitoring system I can also detect new devices and see which old ones are ded.
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[21:08] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, i was wondering it it wouldn't be more suited to a standalone C program
[21:08] <Gadget-Mac> Gadgetoid: what like this one http://www.adafruit.com/products/296
[21:08] <ReggieUK> rather than having to service linux
[21:08] <Cheery> I'm going to compose this into input manager now. ^^
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[21:08] <dirty_d> bootc, should be able to bitbang it
[21:08] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: yup
[21:08] <bootc> Gadget-Mac: trouble is anything with USB kind of needs to be fine pitch and close together
[21:09] <Gadget-Mac> bootc: huh ?
[21:09] <bootc> so breakouts are more or less required, with the breakout board hosting a USB socket
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> There are many DIP USB chips
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[21:09] <bootc> what I mean is USB data lines going through a breadboard are unlikely to work properly
[21:10] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: this doesn't look too bad either: http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/leostick-arduino-compatible-p-1004.html
[21:10] <bootc> OK so it might work enough but it won't work well I bet
[21:10] * plugwash has had USB lines going through a breadboard before, admittedly it was only full speed
[21:10] <Gadget-Mac> Gadgetoid: take a look at https://www.osiaffiliate.com/proto/users/main.php?ref=1007 and search for 32u4 :)
[21:10] <plugwash> I imagine high speed is a lot fussier
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[21:11] <bootc> USB is, after all, a differential bus so ideally even wants impedence matched traces
[21:11] <ReggieUK> bootc, been working fine for months on this ftdi ssop breakout I'm using
[21:11] <ReggieUK> with random cable lengths
[21:11] <bootc> like I said, I bet it works but not properly, and by that I mean it probably wouldn't pass validation tests or work with marginal hardware on the other end
[21:11] <Gadget-Mac> What would be cool is Pi without the USB or ethernet sockets in place :)
[21:12] <ReggieUK> but I do appreciate that it can cause issues as you say
[21:12] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: also irritating that it's either 3.3v or 16mhz when it comes to breakouts... wonder if I could desolder the crystal, hmm
[21:12] <bootc> and anyway, SMD isn't that nasty to work with in the first place
[21:12] <ReggieUK> and it has worked like a champ
[21:12] <Gadget-Mac> I bet 90% of USB hubs from China don't pass :)
[21:12] <ReggieUK> bootc, agreed
[21:12] <bootc> Gadget-Mac: most likely they don't, indeed
[21:13] <ReggieUK> I would lay money on it that they don't
[21:13] <bootc> for one, they all supply 500mA on all ports before negotiation, which they shouldn't :-)
[21:13] <ReggieUK> well, they all supply as much as they can draw without negotiation is more like it
[21:13] <plugwash> Afaict It's perfectly acceptable for a self powered hub to do that
[21:13] <bootc> plugwash: I still think it's against the spec
[21:14] <ReggieUK> they're all tied to presenting themselves as self-powered
[21:14] <bootc> but I agree *everyone* does that
[21:14] <ReggieUK> 50-50 as to whether there will be any kind of protection in the hub to stop the psu supplying power the wrong way down Vusb to the host machine
[21:14] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/UI48fU0KzRfqBzlu3PgW/
[21:14] <Cheery> ReggieUK: see what I did. :)
[21:15] <plugwash> It's a while since I read the USB spec but IIRC there is no requirement for hosts or hubs to keep close control over device power, only to provide protection against damage from shorts
[21:15] <Cheery> cool?
[21:15] <ReggieUK> Cheery, not really, as I haven't been paying attention to what you're doing
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[21:15] <Cheery> well I try to figure out how to detect mice and keyboards and joysticks
[21:15] <Cheery> as well as detect their hotplug
[21:16] <ReggieUK> ahh, with python :D
[21:16] <ReggieUK> well done
[21:16] <ReggieUK> I've never even looked at python
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[21:16] <Cheery> I'm going to add this into the raspberrypi-multimedia repo once I can read the input.
[21:16] <Cheery> now I can just detect the devices being manipulated
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[21:17] <Gadget-Mac> Gadgetoid: Did you find one on the proto-pic site ?
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[21:17] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: aye, a couple
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[21:17] <Gadget-Mac> proto-pic guys are quite good, they'll order stuff in from Adafuit / sparkfun on request
[21:18] <plugwash> is getting them to order it actually any cheaper than just buying it direct?
[21:18] <hadifarnoud> quick question, openELEC or Raspbmc?
[21:19] <sjc_> Adafruit <3
[21:19] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ATmega32U4-Atmel-USB-AVR-Arduino-compat-DAQ-development-board-data-acquisition-/140630732861?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item20be3eb03d
[21:19] <BenO> sjc_, Lady Ada <3 too :)
[21:19] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Atmel-Atmega32u4-Board-Flip-bootloader-12cm-USB-cable-/280606391720?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415571bda8
[21:19] <ReggieUK> those are teensy compatible aren't they?
[21:19] <TrickierStinky> hey all
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[21:20] <sjc_> BenO: indubitably :P
[21:20] <sjc_> Good news! I R Cyborg!
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[21:21] <roliver> @hadifarnoud i've heard from a friend that raspbmc is better
[21:21] <dirty_d> bootc, aparently PDI is pretty simular to UART, but it has a clock http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=atmel%20pdi%20interface%20specification&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CF0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atmel.com%2FImages%2Fdoc8282.pdf&ei=zrjoT-baKcSA6QH0iqjhDg&usg=AFQjCNECDATB4gtN7vK5WnoyjFbNp_nU5g
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[21:21] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, the analyser? Sure - and on better suited hardware, but they seem to be doing OK...
[21:21] <Gadget-Mac> plugwash: yes getting hit by postage and customs on 1off's is expensive
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[21:22] <gordonDrogon> uart with a clock.. We used to call that synchronous serial - as opposed to asynchronous serial ;-)
[21:22] <bootc> dirty_d: ahh interesting, wonder if you can do it using SPI then
[21:22] <dirty_d> bootc, what about using the uart?
[21:23] <bootc> dirty_d: you'd have to synchronise a GPIO to the UART clock
[21:23] <dirty_d> but i mean i guess you could always bit bang as long as you go slow enough
[21:23] <dirty_d> yea
[21:23] <bootc> which isn't exposed anywhere
[21:23] <dirty_d> ahh
[21:23] <bootc> with SPI you drive the clock and tx/rx pins yourself, so that little wiring diagram with the resistors ought to work
[21:23] <dirty_d> i see
[21:23] <plugwash> looking at the spec it seems pretty easy to bit-bang
[21:23] <plugwash> because the programmer is in control of the clock
[21:24] <bootc> yeah, but I bet you can't bit-bang it at 8 MHz
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[21:24] <plugwash> I haven't done avr programming but I have designed and programmed a pic18 programmer from scratch before, that was "fun"
[21:25] <dirty_d> bootc, i dont see a minimum speed anywhere
[21:25] <plugwash> the difficult bit is you have no visibility into what is going on inside the target device so it's VERY difficult to debug
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> I've done one job on PICs and didn't enjoy them at all - fortunately all my code was almost all C
[21:25] <bootc> dirty_d: no, but I also wouldn't want to wait for ages for a chip to program
[21:26] <dirty_d> bootc, how fast do you think you could go reliably with bitbaning?
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[21:26] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the limitation is the write speed of the flash...
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[21:27] <bootc> dirty_d: dunno, not very fast at all from userspace I'd say
[21:27] <Gadgetoid> With any luck my blogging efforts will help secure some toys, or would do if I could grok this schematic nonsense
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> let me see if I can do a meaningful test on my board..
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[21:28] <Gadget-Mac> Gadgetoid: Whats the blog ?
[21:28] <bootc> my AVRISP-mkII is bloody fast on my ATmega1284p board so I have no reason to suspect the XMEGA is slower
[21:28] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: for the most part, Gadgetoid.com, but I'm working on pi.gadgetoid.co.uk as a more targeted blog
[21:28] <dirty_d> my programmer writes about 8KB of flash in about a second
[21:29] <dirty_d> so whats that 1kHz?
[21:29] <dirty_d> no
[21:29] <dirty_d> 8kHz
[21:30] <dirty_d> wrong again
[21:30] <dirty_d> lol
[21:30] <Gadget-Mac> Gadgetoid: Nice
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> avrdude: writing flash (10682 bytes):
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> Writing | ################################################## | 100% 7.33s
[21:30] <dirty_d> 64kHz
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[21:30] <gordonDrogon> so actually not that fast at all!
[21:30] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, what programmer is that?
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> that's bit-banged ISP programming directly from the GPIO on the Pi to an ATmega.
[21:30] <dirty_d> ahh
[21:31] <dirty_d> i have an avrisp mk2
[21:31] <dirty_d> does that in about 1 second
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> whats its interface to the host?
[21:31] <dirty_d> maybe less
[21:31] <dirty_d> usb
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> I have a home-made parallel port bit banger, and an olimex one..
[21:31] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: most of these hobby electronic gizmos are a great deal cheaper than the sort of thing I usually write about- so the resellers would be net themselves a bargain
[21:32] <dirty_d> i made one of those a long time ago, slow as hell
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, effective though.
[21:32] <dirty_d> mines actually a clone
[21:32] <dirty_d> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTiny_Mkii_index.php
[21:32] <dirty_d> got it there
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> I only bought the olimex (avr-isp500) because my current PC doesn't have a parallel port anymore...
[21:32] <Gadgetoid> And I figure I'm comfortably in the middle of the Pi user base.. with budget and time being the main things constraining me from hacking together sheer aweomeness
[21:32] <dirty_d> $30
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[21:33] <Stonewaulburg> hey question, is there a limit to the size of the SD card you could put into one of these?
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[21:33] <bootc> I also have an AVR Dragon, that's great for debugging with :-)
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/isp500-programmer-p-145.html
[21:33] <Gadget-Mac> Gadgetoid: It's not easy to get stuff out of resellers for free, there's no margin as it is :)
[21:33] <bootc> but it has less protection on the ISP port so I only tend to use it when I really have to
[21:34] <dirty_d> i use blinking leds for debugging
[21:34] <dirty_d> ver effective...
[21:34] <dirty_d> lol
[21:34] <bootc> I already burnt one out...
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> serial port for debugging here :) printf's galore :)
[21:34] <bootc> gordonDrogon: not useful for debugging interrupt routines or serial drivers
[21:34] <bootc> :-)
[21:35] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: depends how they approach marketing, generally, the whole "review" business is a very effective way of keeping what would ordinarily amount to link buying above board and out of black-hat territory
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> bootc, yea, well once they're debugged ...
[21:35] <dirty_d> well, i used a "scope" for that
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> anyway, I just re-use code.
[21:35] <bootc> was absolutely essential for sorting out my ethernet driver on my central heating controller...
[21:35] <dirty_d> where scope is my soundcard
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> Your CH has an Ethernet socket?
[21:35] <bootc> gordonDrogon: http://www.bootc.net/projects/polycontroller/
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[21:36] <bootc> ethernet, an RTC, some FLASH, 1-wire, and an ATmega1284p
[21:36] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: if they don't go overboard, it's more cost effective than paying a marketing company to write fluff and ask webmasters to allow a guest post... I should know :D I work for an online marketing agency
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[21:37] <Gadget-Mac> hehe
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> bootc, not bad. I used solid state relays in mine.
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[21:37] <bootc> I thought about SSRs but they got a bit expensive after needing 4
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> it's in bits at the moment though as I want to fit some XRF comms to it.
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> bootc, ?9.50 each...
[21:37] <bootc> yeah, so ??40
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> bootc, only 4 amps though. (I have 8)
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[21:38] <bootc> actually my board should be able to push 7A easily
[21:38] <bootc> just probably not too sensible :-)
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> you might not want it to :)
[21:38] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Mac: but yeah, I can imagine the margins on stuff are godawful, even more so in the UK
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[21:38] <gordonDrogon> who do you use for the PBC manufacture? That's an area I've not ventured into for some years..
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> last time I made PCBs it was with photo resist..
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> and printing to acetate...
[21:39] <bootc> gordonDrogon: for those I used PCBTrain here in the UK
[21:39] <bootc> for future stuff I'll send it to Seeed/FusionPCB
[21:39] <plugwash> IMO when it comes to switching mains there is a lot to be said for mechanical relays provided the switching rate is not too high
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[21:40] <Gadget-Mac> Seeed are good, just have to factor in sthe slow board from china
[21:40] <plugwash> SSRs are probablly more reliable but are also less efficient afaict
[21:40] <bootc> yup, and when you're a hobbyist you can get used to the wait :-)
[21:40] <bootc> plugwash: SSRs are great for zero-crossing switching your reflow oven... :-)
[21:41] <plugwash> does a reflow oven really need to be zero crossing switched?
[21:41] <bootc> no
[21:41] <bootc> but SSRs do the zero-crossing detection for free
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[21:41] <Gadget-Mac> for reflow oven read george foreman grill ?
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> I like SSRs. mine don't get warm...
[21:42] <bootc> you can't really switch a mechanical relay every 20ms without breaking lots of stuff
[21:42] <bootc> Gadget-Mac: yes, that sort of reflow "oven"
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[21:42] <bootc> actually I don't have one yet but I really want to set one up
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> My oven will go to about 240 flat-out..
[21:42] <Gadget-Mac> I've got one of those cheap 'desktop' ovens sat in the garage to tinker with
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> maybe not as good as an infrared unit :)
[21:43] <Cheery> alright
[21:43] <Simon-> bootc: well, you can... but it's not a good idea
[21:43] <Cheery> next it's time to construct an event loop which matches linux philosophies
[21:44] <bootc> Simon-: well, yes, kind of my point
[21:44] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: which SSRs ?
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[21:44] <bootc> Simon-: you'd produce lots of ozone at the very least :-D
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, crydom - I use the CX240D5's.
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[21:45] <Gadget-Mac> around the ??10 each mark ?
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> I get them form .... RS..
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[21:46] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/solid-state-relays/2912371/
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[21:46] <Gadget-Mac> yeah
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> they should work directly off the Pi, but I've not tried one yet.
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> 3-15V inputs.
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[21:47] <Gadget-Mac> pretty sure I'd want something in the way.
[21:47] <bootc> right, this time I'm really off to play Diablo
[21:47] <Gadget-Mac> Although when the ssr is ~30% of the cost of the Pi........
[21:47] <Gadget-Mac> bootc: enjoy
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[21:47] <bootc> ty :-)
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> well - that point is that they have on-board opto-isolators...
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[21:48] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Can you get latching SSR's ?
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> not seen any...
[21:48] <bootc> Gadget-Mac: SSRs always need power, they are semiconductors
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> mug of tea time
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> laters
[21:49] <Gadget-Mac> bootc: Which is fine, but means reboots could be troublesome
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[21:55] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/4Ylwgm4PJWNSlluvGJqK/
[21:55] <Cheery> like you can see.. it's now in event loop. :)
[21:57] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, I wonder if I've got half a chance of implementing i2c in Ruby... I think I need to wrap up another library with some modifications for wiringPi compatibility
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[22:13] <gordonDrogon> don't belive in reboots of control kit :)
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> 21:12:25 up 1336 days, 23:17, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> tomorow ...
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[22:15] <roliver> gordonDrogon, not even for kernel updates?
[22:16] <Gadgetoid> Hmmm, doh: Expected argument 3 of type int [], but got Array
[22:17] <dwatkins> hmmm, I get artifacts with tightvnc, anyone found a solution to this please?
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> roliver, aparrently not.
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[22:20] <dwatkins> aha, problem solved with colour depth 16 :)
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[22:21] <scottman> heyo
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[22:24] <sjc_> gordonDrogon: tomorrow indeed <3
[22:24] <alexsdutton> SocksG: *ping*
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[22:26] <alexsdutton> SocksG: I've so far failed to get mine to boot. Would you be able to bring yours in next time you're due to be in our building so I can try swapping SD cards? (James-C has similar trouble)
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[22:30] <Cheery> heh. it's working. :)
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[22:32] <Cheery> I can hook the device in, it detects it and connects it in.
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[22:33] <BCMM> can one install xbmc easilly on the default debian image?
[22:33] <Cheery> from here I can just tell the device what has happened since last catch.
[22:33] <BCMM> i've just recieved mine and want to run XBMC on a proper general-purpose distro, since i want to do other things with it too
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[22:34] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, yep - Pi's framebuffer is 16bpp..
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[22:34] <BCMM> anybody know which release of debian raspbmc is based on?
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[22:39] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: implementing shiftOut in C whilst still being able to use it in Ruby is painful :(
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Hm. I have my own arduino version of shiftOut - I could add it to wiringPi ..
[22:41] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm using an array of ints as the bits to shift out, C arrays and Ruby arrays are not the best of friends
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, a-ha... :)
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[22:45] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I should probably use real bits, but Ruby doesn't like those either
[22:46] <Cheery> when I remove the device.. I get an error "No such device" when read still attempts to do it's job
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[22:54] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: do you add any delay to shiftout, or let it run as fast as it will?
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[23:04] <sneakyne1ks> What's the smallest pico projector out there?
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, in the arduino version there is no dealy
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[23:06] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: good to know, I'm hoping this C implementation will go a bazillion times faster than the clunky Ruby one
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[23:07] <Gadgetoid> In truth the speed gains will probably be tiny, but probably noticeable for multiplexing
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[23:10] <maicod> hi loaded my Pi up for the first time 5 minutes ago. I use the big screen LED TV but the characters are tiny. how can I lower the HDMI resolution?
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[23:16] <scottman> maicod: let me find you some links
[23:16] <scottman> maicod: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5851
[23:17] <maicod> thanks !
[23:17] <maicod> I am a little rusty atm sorry to ask it here
[23:17] <scottman> maicod: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[23:17] <scottman> maicod: it took me an hour when i got mine
[23:17] <scottman> maicod: to figure out what the heck
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> not sure you can change the resolution, can you?
[23:17] <maicod> I know linux etc but I am just booting up the Pi first time and needed some starters info :)
[23:18] <scottman> maicod: the forums and wiki are very helpful
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> you can change the screen size, but doesn't it just centre it?
[23:18] <scottman> maicod: if not here
[23:18] <maicod> scottman: It probably read out my TV as being a 1080p display and now it uses that and the characters are TINY
[23:18] <scottman> maicod: most likely
[23:18] <maicod> I am sitting on the big table a little away and sideways from it
[23:18] <scottman> i think you can change the resolution
[23:19] <scottman> its just in that config
[23:19] <maicod> so hard to read now :)
[23:19] <scottman> at least yours showed up ;)
[23:19] <maicod> I will try that thanks gordonDrogon too
[23:19] <maicod> it does :)
[23:19] <scottman> i use a monitor that is my main computer and hdmi for my pi
[23:19] <scottman> pi freaks and keeps picking my tv out
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> yea, seems to be a few pople who's TVs don't recognise the Pi (or vice versa!)
[23:19] <maicod> scottman: so far I noticed the general operation of the menus and apps is a bit sluggish is that normal?
[23:19] <scottman> yes
[23:20] <scottman> no x driver
[23:20] <scottman> for the graphics card
[23:20] <maicod> I got a LG LE5300
[23:20] <maicod> its a 53 inch LED TV
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> wow..
[23:20] <scottman> oo led
[23:20] <maicod> its neat ;)
[23:20] <scottman> i bet
[23:20] <maicod> hehe
[23:20] <scottman> when i first saw those hit the market
[23:20] <phire> Is anyone working on an x driver?
[23:20] <scottman> i refuse to buy anything else
[23:20] <scottman> now wife wont letme get one
[23:21] <maicod> scottman: now their talking about IPS and AMOLED again for TVs huh but my LED TV is soooooo georgeous image already
[23:21] <scottman> in the forums
[23:21] <maicod> AMOLED brightness wears off after some time
[23:21] <scottman> there is one dude
[23:21] <scottman> but it hasnt been updated since june something
[23:21] <scottman> early june
[23:22] <maicod> what is up with that dude ?
[23:22] <scottman> i would love to help make a x driver but no idea how to
[23:22] <maicod> don't follow ya :)
[23:22] <scottman> here let me link you guys
[23:22] <maicod> ok
[23:22] <scottman> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=4649
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[23:23] <Gadget-Mac> Anyone got preference for microUSB or miniUSB as a power connector. (micro is the one on the Pi)
[23:23] <scottman> if you compiled stuff for opengles 2 i thin your stuff will work okay
[23:23] <phire> I don't have any idea how to make an x driver either
[23:23] <Gadgetoid> LIFE!
[23:23] <maicod> Gadget-Mac: we can't desolder the one on the board and replace it with the mini can we :)
[23:24] <phire> but there should be guides on the internet
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[23:24] <scottman> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6768
[23:24] <scottman> another one
[23:24] <Gadgetoid> Oh dear...
[23:24] <Gadget-Mac> maicod: i'd not recommend it
[23:24] <maicod> hehe nope :)
[23:24] <maicod> why you long for a mini usb?
[23:24] <maicod> why the question?
[23:24] <plugwash> I'd go for micro if I was designing a device with a USB connector for power simply because that is what the rest of the world has standardised on
[23:24] <scottman> dont ruin your pi yet, wait until ordering one is fast
[23:24] <scottman> :D
[23:25] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I think my shiftOut function leaves a little to be desired, finally stopped the problems with arrays and now... wierdness!
[23:25] <maicod> yeah :)
[23:25] <Gadgetoid> Or weirdness
[23:25] <Gadget-Mac> maicod: Possible expansion board :)
[23:25] <plugwash> micro USB is surprisingly sturdy for it's size IMO
[23:25] <maicod> Gadget-Mac: ok :)
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[23:25] <maicod> yeah I connected my sockets for the first time (first bootup of PI too) and they all felt very firm!
[23:25] <maicod> even the odd looking SD card one
[23:25] <Gadget-Mac> Always useful to get views of others imho
[23:25] <maicod> it is changed since the images were released :(
[23:26] <maicod> it was a metallic holder
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, you think so? some on the forums seem to have issues with it ...
[23:26] <maicod> now its a black plastic thingy
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[23:26] <scottman> my only gripe with the ports is how each side needs a wire
[23:26] <Gadgetoid> Problem is probably in: for( x = 0; x < ( sizeof(bits) / sizeof(int) ); x++ )
[23:26] <plugwash> hmm what kind of issues,
[23:26] <maicod> scottman: yeah theyre around the whole board :)
[23:26] <scottman> my pi likes to float in the air
[23:26] <scottman> :D
[23:27] <scottman> suspended by wires
[23:27] <maicod> and the HDMI cable rocks the whole board sideways
[23:27] <scottman> lol
[23:27] <maicod> yeah
[23:27] <maicod> it flies
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[23:27] <maicod> make a Picopter from it :)
[23:27] <plugwash> I've seen people complaining that using USB power input was a bad idea but afaict that is less about connector choice and more about the shittiness of USB PSUs
[23:27] <scottman> ive been thinking about making a case taht puts them all on one side
[23:27] <plugwash> really IMO the Pi should have a barrel connector and a 2A PSU
[23:28] <maicod> scottman: oh using internal short passthrough cables
[23:28] <scottman> yeah
[23:28] <maicod> OK
[23:28] <scottman> could work
[23:28] <maicod> it can be done ofcourse
[23:28] <maicod> I'm gonna bbiab cause I will try make the resolution change
[23:28] <maicod> seeya later
[23:29] <scottman> good luck
[23:30] <maicod> thanks
[23:30] <phire> if only barrel connectors were standardized
[23:30] <maicod> whats the diff between CEA and DMT ?
[23:30] <maicod> which to choose :)
[23:30] <scottman> oh
[23:30] <scottman> link me
[23:31] <scottman> your supposed to pick one depending on something cant remeber
[23:31] <plugwash> whichever works better with your screen
[23:31] <maicod> can I cat /proc/something to see which it uses now ?
[23:31] <plugwash> AIUI CEA modes are "TV modes" and DMT modes are "monitor modes"
[23:32] <plugwash> IIRC you can use /opt/vc/tvservice to see what mode you are in
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[23:32] <maicod> plugwash: use or read you mean?
[23:32] <maicod> is it a text or a program?
[23:32] <plugwash> it's a program
[23:32] <maicod> OK
[23:32] <maicod> will go try it in the living room
[23:32] <maicod> brb
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[23:34] <Gadgetoid> You know when the street light is right outside your window, shining in your eyes, but you're just too lazy to get up and close the curtains? No?.. bah
[23:36] <Gadgetoid> My house could be under siege by giant russian load carrying robot platforms with laser shark launchers, and I wouldn't notice if I were working on a programming problem
[23:36] <maicod> plugwash: theres no tvservice file in /opt/vc
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[23:36] <maicod> I see some dirs like sbin and bin
[23:37] <plugwash> is it in /opt/vc/bin ?
[23:37] <maicod> I tried
[23:37] <maicod> but the screen is soooooooooooo tiny
[23:37] <maicod> I can't hardly read the characters
[23:37] <maicod> thats what I'm trying to change but i've got the chicken/egg prob
[23:37] <scottman> Gadgetoid: your not alone
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[23:37] <maicod> i'll try to see in bin
[23:38] <Gadgetoid> My C-based shiftOut... is working... but it's not as good as the Ruby one? I don't even... there are no words!
[23:38] <maicod> plugwash: bin is empty and sbin has 2 files but not the tvservice one
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[23:39] <maicod> maybe I need to become root?
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[23:40] <plugwash> hmm, not sure
[23:40] <plugwash> maybe try using rpi-update
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[23:41] <maicod> OK thanks. indeed in the forum article it talks about the same as you said but mine doesnt have it :)
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[23:44] <sneakyne1ks> How do people like their lego cases? What concerns me is the guide on the blog where the top and bottom are both each a cluster of blocks rather than a single 13x9 block.
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[23:45] <plugwash> sneakyne1ks, mmm, unfortunately lego plates don't generally come in odd sizes
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[23:48] <Cheery> I just figured it out that the device itself says an event which menas it's closed.
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[23:48] <Cheery> whoops
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[23:48] <markllama> I made mine from my daughter's set. Not enough 1 or 3 pin pieces so it came out kinda jaggie
[23:48] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/raspberrypi-multimedia
[23:49] <sneakyne1ks> I'm going to a lego store after work. I like this upright build: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5469/6945772440_2580d56a84.jpg
[23:49] <Cheery> now there's some cool stuff. :)
[23:50] <markllama> I worry a little about air flow in the lego cases.
[23:50] <Cheery> the input system can detect the devices inserted
[23:50] <markllama> upright is probably better for that so long as there are vents top and bottom
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[23:50] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/raspberrypi-multimedia/blob/master/test_eventloop.py
[23:50] <sneakyne1ks> I thought ARM didnt need airflow
[23:51] <Cheery> what do you think about it?
[23:51] <markllama> it doesn't need a fan. If you wrap it in insulation and run it hard it will heat up.
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[23:51] <Cheery> I think I'll make a small demo at some point
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[23:52] <oldman> Is it possible to get a cli on openelec xbmc?
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[23:55] <markllama> I think there's an Application that will give you a shell
[23:55] <markllama> programs -> add-ons
[23:55] <markllama> I haven't tried it.
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[23:55] <markllama> and then there's the serial port
[23:56] <markllama> or ssh
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[23:57] <Cheery> if I'd want to show that project to large masses, which section of forum would do best?
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[23:58] <oldman> marklama: ssh works but you have to use another computer. I need to set up my nfs mounts.
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[23:59] <_inc> I've got a query but I don't know how to explain it properly. if i type "gem blah blah" i get command not found. but if i type "sudo gem", command found, prompts for password. is there a way without alias' in which just "gem" will prompt for password?
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[23:59] <markllama> doesn't the video sources and audio sources offer NFS setups?
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