#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-28

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <Walther> yggdrasil: apt-get moo
[0:00] <WASDx> What happens if I connect something to the "do not connect"-GPIO? Will the universe implode on itself?
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[0:00] <_inc> no just the pi
[0:00] <yggdrasil> hmm
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[0:00] <WASDx> I see, it creates a black hole
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[0:01] <_inc> is there an OSS alternative to EAGLE or are none of them as mature?
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[0:05] <gooseberry> hi
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[0:06] <steveccc> Is there a way to tell in Debian if the USB hub connected is powered and how much is available
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[0:07] <gooseberry> steveccc: I wouldn't imagine that would be part of the spec
[0:08] <_inc> i dont think it is no
[0:08] <_inc> everyone has just mean probing bits with meters
[0:09] <steveccc> Its just my hub has no power light and hence I cant tell if its powered or not :(
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[0:11] <_inc> stick your tongue in a port
[0:11] <_inc> orrr
[0:12] <_inc> i believe some usb devices will light up with just the power adapter
[0:12] <_inc> dont quote me on that though
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[0:18] <oddy> Hey guys, I'm trying to let my Raspberry Pi connect to the internet by bridging the Wi-Fi and ethernet connections on my Windows 7 laptop. I've been trying to follow the steps on the forum ( http://is.gd/M4qwig ) but to no avail. Anyone able to help?
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[0:22] <dmsuse> oddy: umm
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[0:23] <dmsuse> oddy: restart windows
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[0:39] <oddy> dmsuse: i shall try that now :)
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[0:42] <gooseberry> oddy: ics?
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[0:43] <gooseberry> if your wifi's gateway is then internet connection sharing won't work in win 7.
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[0:45] <gooseberry> If you don't really want to change your routers settings then I'd recommend a program called connectify.
[0:45] <mervaka> dirty_d: still about?
[0:45] <gooseberry> Which makes the whole process a lot simplier, but it has some limitations
[0:45] <mervaka> there's apparently a register bit that enables/disables repeating the last data in the FIFO to the pwm
[0:46] <mervaka> and you can disable the fifo altogether!
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[0:47] <Simon-> bridging won't always work on wifi because of the requirement to preserve MAC addresses, oddy should be using ICS
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[0:54] <mervaka> dirty_d: just looked at your changes. interesting, though i cant find the documentation behind this :( i'll give it a try a sec
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[1:00] <Tenchworks> just got my PI
[1:00] <Tenchworks> very happy and sad at the same time
[1:00] <markbook> ??!!
[1:00] <markbook> no, you can't play Civ V on it.
[1:00] <Tenchworks> realised my only usb keyboard is dead
[1:00] <markbook> oh my
[1:01] <Tenchworks> my other alternative is a bluetooth keyboard and the bluetooth dongle for my laptop
[1:01] <markbook> or a USB serial connector.
[1:01] <Tenchworks> if I had one I'd use taht
[1:01] <markbook> *sigh*
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[1:01] <Tenchworks> hmm though it seems the keyboard won't connect to the dongle when it's in teh pi
[1:02] <Tenchworks> :(
[1:02] <Tenchworks> guess I'm making a store run
[1:02] <ReggieUK> got a hub?
[1:02] <Tenchworks> no usb hubs yet
[1:03] <Tenchworks> figured i'd get one on amazon later this week
[1:03] <mervaka> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151055135963767
[1:03] <mervaka> woop woop!
[1:03] <mervaka> servo control directly from gpio18
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[1:03] <Tenchworks> well if I'm at the login screen, it
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[1:04] <Tenchworks> *is it safe to asume I have things working so far?
[1:04] <Tenchworks> even if I have no way to ineract atm?
[1:04] <Tenchworks> wasn't sure if I had loaded the os on the sd card right
[1:05] <gooseberry> markbook: maybe civII
[1:06] <gooseberry> or freeciv
[1:07] * markbook loves all the things people ask if Pi can do.
[1:07] <mervaka> well it can do a lot of things!
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[1:08] <markbook> it can. but a high powered 64bit hardware virtualized high throughput database server it ain't
[1:09] <mervaka> dirty_d: your code works! there just seems to be an offset problem. i'd need to look at the pwm to diagnose this.
[1:09] <mervaka> markbook: true
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[1:15] <gooseberry> markbook: I reckon freeciv is a reasonable alternative, turns might take forever though
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[1:16] <mervaka> i dont think i've ever won a game of civ
[1:16] <mervaka> lol
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[1:18] <gooseberry> mervaka: It's a lot of fun once you get into it, although I've only ever played against bots. I'd probably get destroyed against another person
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[1:21] <mervaka> same
[1:21] <mervaka> though they both destroy me eventually.
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[1:23] <gooseberry> you just have to pit the ai against each other
[1:23] <mervaka> ah
[1:23] <mervaka> i just try to ally with everyone.. hah
[1:23] <mervaka> and make peace.
[1:24] <mervaka> and go all japan on them, and keep a defence force
[1:24] <gooseberry> you'll never win that way
[1:24] <gooseberry> even if you're really nice to them, they will never leave you alone unless you're bigger than them
[1:25] <gooseberry> I always end up neglecting my army at the beginning of a game and getting ganged up by my neighbours
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[1:34] <dirty_d> mervaka, offset thing?
[1:34] <mervaka> well
[1:34] <mervaka> my sero isnt going fully left
[1:34] <mervaka> and is overshooting right
[1:34] <mervaka> i'm just reading up the peripheral manual
[1:34] <mervaka> and learning your changes :)
[1:34] <dirty_d> whats your neutral position, 1800?
[1:35] <mervaka> er
[1:35] <mervaka> god knows
[1:35] <mervaka> i'm just running the test program again
[1:35] <mervaka> i should write my own really
[1:35] <dirty_d> i think its probably because the freq isnt exact
[1:35] <dirty_d> but you can just calibrate it
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[1:35] <mervaka> yeah
[1:35] <dirty_d> just find the value that gives you all the way left/right
[1:36] <dirty_d> all i did was change to the "MS" mode
[1:36] <mervaka> so you're putting the pwm controller to MS
[1:36] <dirty_d> im not really sure how the default mode worked
[1:36] <mervaka> how come the clock freq goes up?
[1:36] <mervaka> nah, default mode looks wierd
[1:36] <dirty_d> to get more resolution
[1:36] <mervaka> ah ok
[1:37] <dirty_d> the higher the "range" is the higher your resolution is
[1:37] <dirty_d> so you could get eve nmore resolution of you wanted
[1:37] <dirty_d> if you change the clock to 2.4MHz and the range to 48000
[1:37] <mervaka> and you set the range also to set the pwm clock freq?
[1:38] <dirty_d> then your servo is controlled between 2400 and 4800
[1:38] <dirty_d> nah the range is something different
[1:38] <dirty_d> basically there is a counter
[1:38] <dirty_d> its incremented in a loop running at 1.2MHz
[1:38] <mervaka> yeah
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[1:39] <mervaka> check p140 in the peripheral manual
[1:39] <mervaka> the diagram at the top
[1:39] <mervaka> is where i'm coming from
[1:40] <dirty_d> at 0 the output starts high
[1:40] <dirty_d> when the counter equals the PWM DATA register the output goes low
[1:40] <dirty_d> and when the counter reaches RANGE it starts back from 0
[1:40] <dirty_d> if DATA is 0, then it never goes high
[1:40] <dirty_d> i set RANGE to 24000 because 1.2Mhz / 24000 = 50Hz
[1:40] <dirty_d> the standard servo pulse frequency
[1:40] <mervaka> ah ok
[1:41] <mervaka> that makes sense
[1:41] <mervaka> very similar to the pic pwm controllers then
[1:41] <dirty_d> if data is set to 12000 then you get a 50% duty cycle 50Hz square wave
[1:41] <dirty_d> 6000 you get a 25% duty cycle square wave
[1:41] <mervaka> yeah
[1:41] <warddr> Hello all, I just got my RP, and I like to install it. There is a catch, I don't have a means to connect it to a screen at this time, is there a way to get a distribution with ssh?
[1:41] <dirty_d> the servo signal is a very low duty cycle
[1:41] <mervaka> i need to write my own test prog a sec
[1:42] <mervaka> warddr: debian has openssh-server installed by default
[1:42] <mervaka> warddr: sure you cant even use the composite output?
[1:42] <dirty_d> mervaka, i bet you dont need to do any soldering
[1:42] <dirty_d> you can probably just get a 3.5mm plug and run it to the servos
[1:42] <warddr> mervaka, I don't have cables
[1:43] <dirty_d> the low pass filter should matter that much
[1:43] <mervaka> dirty_d: maybe not. 50hz might well come out the jack
[1:43] <dirty_d> shouldnt*
[1:43] <warddr> and I don't need a screen on it..
[1:43] <dirty_d> yea definitely
[1:43] <mervaka> i might need to make a lead up :)
[1:43] <dirty_d> the corners will just be a little rounded
[1:43] <mervaka> yeah
[1:43] <dirty_d> the LPF is probably like 20KHz
[1:43] <dirty_d> not sure though
[1:43] * mervaka looks at the schematic
[1:44] <dirty_d> if you take a 50Hz square wave in audacity and apply a 20KHz LPF you will see what kinda signal youre gonna get
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[1:45] <ReggieUK> dirty_d, I've missed most of this convo but are you talking about pulsing the servo using audio? That's a really neat idea if it works
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[1:46] <ReggieUK> not sure if you can in audacity but you used to be able to just draw the waveform in soundforge/wavelab
[1:46] <dirty_d> ReggieUK, no the analog audio is driven by the PWM gpio through a low pass filter
[1:46] <dirty_d> youd set the PWM registers directly and get the slightly distorted signal out of the audio jack
[1:46] <ReggieUK> is the low pass filter a real one or software?
[1:46] <dirty_d> real i think
[1:47] <dirty_d> i havent really looked into it
[1:47] <mervaka> ReggieUK: we're just saying that no modification should be needed to drive two servos using the pwm generators
[1:47] <dirty_d> must be real
[1:47] <mervaka> ReggieUK: real yeah
[1:47] <mervaka> there's two filters, i'm just looking for my calculator
[1:47] <mervaka> in fact
[1:47] <mervaka> wolfram time!
[1:49] <mervaka> 17.862k
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[1:49] <mervaka> hmm
[1:49] <mervaka> there's also a hpf
[1:50] <mervaka> at 106hz
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[1:51] <mervaka> should hopefully get enough signal though
[1:51] <mervaka> only a first order filter
[1:51] <ReggieUK> ugh, so they're filtering the analog audio a fair bit then?
[1:51] <mervaka> goes like this:
[1:51] <mervaka> gpio pin > lpf > hpf > socket
[1:52] <mervaka> each filter is only first order
[1:52] <mervaka> so should only attenuate by about 6dB
[1:52] <mervaka> lets say the filter is 100hz for simplicity
[1:52] <mervaka> and we want 50hz
[1:52] <mervaka> first order filters attenuate at 6db/oct
[1:52] <mervaka> i think?
[1:52] <_inc> EAGLE is quite complycated it seems
[1:53] <_inc> complicated*
[1:53] <ReggieUK> ahh ok, it's fine, I understand now, wasn't sure what the level of filtering was
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> you will probably need a squaring circuit afterwards, to make the servo happy
[1:53] <mervaka> so 50hz is one octave below
[1:53] <mervaka> SpeedEvil: maybe, lets see :)
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> Just a diode and cap may work though
[1:53] <ReggieUK> you said filter, I think cut hard :D
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> and amp
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[1:53] <dirty_d> mervaka, yea dude youre golden, that LPF isnt gonna make any difference
[1:53] <dirty_d> i just tried it in a simulator
[1:54] <dirty_d> even with a 15KHz LPF there is no visible change in the shape of the wave
[1:54] <mervaka> the LPF isnt the problem though
[1:54] <dirty_d> what is?
[1:54] <mervaka> itrsr the hpf after it
[1:54] <mervaka> 106hz
[1:54] <mervaka> its*
[1:54] <mervaka> r20 and c48
[1:54] <dirty_d> 106? thats pretty high
[1:54] <mervaka> its for audio, remember
[1:55] <mervaka> low fi audio
[1:55] <dirty_d> yea but a bass guitar goes lower than that
[1:55] <mervaka> it does
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[1:55] <mervaka> 100hz is a very common crossover point to cut out bass
[1:55] <dirty_d> wheres the schematic?
[1:55] <mervaka> uh
[1:55] <mervaka> on the wiki, one sec
[1:56] <mervaka> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Raspberry-Pi-Schematics-R1.0.pdf
[1:56] <mervaka> page 2
[1:56] <mervaka> G9
[1:57] <lrvick> Hey all. Here is a shot of the new lcd-accomodating fork of the adafruit case we are working on: http://i.imgur.com/1lhKD.jpg
[1:58] <mervaka> lrvick: nice :)
[1:59] <gooseberry> lrvick: how much was the llcd?
[1:59] <lrvick> 10$
[1:59] <mervaka> gooseberry: looks like a 44780
[1:59] <lrvick> same one used for arduinos frequently
[1:59] <mervaka> common as muck
[1:59] <lrvick> mervaka: yep. there is a 3.3v variant for 10$ thats pretty easy to get
[1:59] <mervaka> ah cool
[1:59] <gooseberry> you gunna ask adafruit if you can sell them?
[2:00] <lrvick> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007LO3Y9W/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00
[2:00] <lrvick> No interest in selling them. We will just release the forked laser cutter plans etc
[2:01] <ReggieUK> didn't adafruit put them under a creative commons license or something anyway?
[2:01] <lrvick> i just wanted a display to show me the current ESSID or IP address i am connected to, so I cna easily ssh into my pi on different networks
[2:01] <mervaka> makes sense
[2:02] <dirty_d> mervaka, its not a high pass filter
[2:02] <gooseberry> lrvick: my pi emails me its IPs when it boots
[2:02] <dirty_d> is it?
[2:02] <mervaka> yeah
[2:02] <mervaka> two cascaded filters
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[2:03] <mervaka> R21/C20 make up the LPF
[2:03] <lrvick> gooseberry: ha. That is one solution.
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[2:03] <mervaka> R20/C48 make up the HPF
[2:03] <lrvick> without an LCD its actually a very clever solution
[2:04] <dirty_d> mervaka, tahts not a hpf though
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[2:04] <mervaka> of course it is
[2:04] <dirty_d> r20 and R21 make a voltage divider to drop the signal down to line voltage
[2:05] <mervaka> oh wait
[2:05] <dirty_d> the cap comes before the resistor in a hpf
[2:05] <mervaka> you're right
[2:05] <mervaka> yeah
[2:05] <dirty_d> whats a standard input impedance for something youd plug into it?
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[2:06] * mervaka googles a typical servo
[2:06] <mervaka> oh, for headphones?
[2:06] <mervaka> that varies a lot
[2:06] <mervaka> can be 600 ohms
[2:06] <mervaka> can be either side of that
[2:07] <mervaka> 600 is apparently standard though
[2:07] <dirty_d> hmm
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[2:08] <mervaka> whether that applies to consumer equipment i dont know
[2:08] <mervaka> hm
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[2:08] <NucWin> is r20 + c20 the hpf then?
[2:09] <dirty_d> actually it might be a problem
[2:09] <mervaka> dirty_d: some earphones appearing on google shopping as low as 32r
[2:09] <dirty_d> the input impedance along with C48 do make a hpf
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[2:10] <mervaka> should be okay, 10u is a common decoupling value
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[2:11] <gooseberry> you have to be careful with earphones, there are a lot of fakes.
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[2:12] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[2:14] <SSilver2k2> hey ReggieUK: I want to make an adapter for one of my NeoGeo controllers now
[2:14] <SSilver2k2> it uses a DB15 port
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[2:16] <gooseberry> SSilver2k2: http://retro.world3.net/index.html
[2:18] <SSilver2k2> gooseberry: nice. reggie has been talkign to me about using GPIO for an arcade setup
[2:18] <ReggieUK> so it's serial then?
[2:19] <ReggieUK> durp, sorry, I had my head stuck in something
[2:19] <ReggieUK> erm, so gameport?
[2:19] <SSilver2k2> i have the feeling the neo geo is just a dumb controller without any chipset. its just 15 pins, 1 for each button activating a switch
[2:20] <SSilver2k2> since the neogeo arcade system has controller ports, and with JAMMA, its just closing a switch
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[2:21] <gooseberry> that product I linked to is open-hardware
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[2:21] <dirty_d> mervaka, youre gonna have an ac output signal
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[2:22] <mervaka> dirty_d: wrote my test program
[2:22] <dirty_d> cool
[2:23] <mervaka> just dumps the first parameter into an atoi
[2:23] <mervaka> and fires it off
[2:23] <mervaka> works with the LED
[2:23] <mervaka> lets try it with the servo :)
[2:24] <dirty_d> C48 and C34 are gonna be problems
[2:24] <dirty_d> even if you bridge then your output wignal is only gonna be 1v peak
[2:24] <mervaka> i'm still using the other pwm output
[2:24] <mervaka> from gpio18
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[2:25] <dirty_d> yea
[2:25] <ReggieUK> SSilver2k2, you shouldn't need any of that, looking at the layout for the retro adapter
[2:25] <SSilver2k2> i dont want that adapter
[2:26] <SSilver2k2> i shoudl be able to just make an adapter to convert db15 into the GPIO and go from there
[2:26] <ReggieUK> that's what I'm saying, you don't need it
[2:26] <ReggieUK> agreed
[2:26] <SSilver2k2> gooseberry linked to it
[2:26] <ReggieUK> as long as it is pure buttons in the controller
[2:26] <SSilver2k2> its a good idea if you just want to go USB and forget it
[2:26] <mervaka> dirty_d: getting very strange results
[2:26] <ReggieUK> http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=controls:neo_geo_controller
[2:27] <mervaka> maybe i need to keep feeding the fifo again, like you say
[2:27] <dirty_d> nah
[2:27] <dirty_d> i tested it
[2:27] <dirty_d> it just keeps the last value written
[2:27] <dirty_d> pastebin your code
[2:27] <ReggieUK> I would open that controller up and see what's occurring in there as there is 5v on there
[2:28] <mervaka> i'm dropping its supply over a couple of transistors
[2:28] <mervaka> to 3.6v roughly
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[2:29] <dirty_d> i just had to dye my girlfriends hair
[2:29] <dirty_d> shit looks black
[2:29] <IT_Sean> She isn't capable of doing that herself?
[2:29] <dirty_d> yea right
[2:29] <dirty_d> lol
[2:30] <mervaka> http://pastebin.com/9afpMh6D
[2:31] <dirty_d> what happens?
[2:31] <mervaka> well it's hard to explain
[2:31] <ReggieUK> dirty_d, mind your language please
[2:31] <dirty_d> oops, sorry
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[2:33] <mervaka> stick in something like 1
[2:33] <mervaka> and it goes quite definitely somewhere
[2:33] <mervaka> stick in 12000, and it lethargically goes there, slowing down as it moves closer
[2:34] <mervaka> same for 24000
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[2:34] <mervaka> oh, hello
[2:34] <mervaka> 2000 and 8000 seem to do stuff
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[2:35] <dirty_d> who who whoa
[2:35] <dirty_d> nah
[2:35] <mervaka> i guess i'm shooting out of range
[2:35] <dirty_d> you want a value between 1200 and 2400
[2:35] <dirty_d> anything else is outside of a 1-2ms pulse
[2:35] <mervaka> ya
[2:35] <dirty_d> 24000 is just straight 3.3v dc
[2:36] <dirty_d> what happens if you use 1800
[2:36] <dirty_d> should be centered
[2:36] <mervaka> hmm, i really should have marked these arms
[2:36] <mervaka> lol
[2:36] <dirty_d> lol
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[2:39] <mervaka> bizarre..
[2:39] <mervaka> 2400 moves pretty much full swing
[2:39] <mervaka> 2300, small movement
[2:39] <mervaka> 2200, small movement
[2:39] <mervaka> 2100, small movement
[2:40] <dirty_d> what do you mean
[2:40] <mervaka> 2000, moves totally the other way
[2:40] <mervaka> trying different values
[2:40] <mervaka> i'm gonna see if i can find an extent a sec
[2:40] <dirty_d> 2000 moves the other way?
[2:40] <mervaka> yeah
[2:40] <mervaka> something's not quite right.
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[2:41] <mervaka> about 3000 seems fully ccw
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[2:43] <mervaka> 1600 seem fully cw
[2:43] <mervaka> seems*
[2:43] <mervaka> then something horrible happens in the middle
[2:43] <dirty_d> hmmm
[2:44] <mervaka> between 2000 and 2100 there's some massive displacement going on
[2:44] <Syliss> lap dock will be here tomorrow
[2:44] <Syliss> no hdmi connector tho
[2:44] <dirty_d> mervaka, i wonder if its because the voltage is too low?
[2:44] <Syliss> ugh
[2:44] <mervaka> dirty_d: dunno
[2:45] <dirty_d> a scope would help a lot
[2:45] <mervaka> yeah
[2:45] <dirty_d> you could do the soundcard trick
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[2:45] <mervaka> i think i shall.
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[2:48] <dirty_d> mervaka, this is my opengl oscilloscope program http://ideone.com/FrFhj
[2:48] <dirty_d> its very much hardcoded
[2:48] <mervaka> ah ok. got xoscope installing
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[2:49] <dirty_d> yea use that instead, its probably better since youd have to tweak this to get the right timescale and stuff
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[2:52] <mervaka> woah
[2:52] <mervaka> the space is unstable as hell
[2:54] <dirty_d> hmm?
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[2:54] <mervaka> noise
[2:54] <mervaka> lots of it
[2:54] <mervaka> and i wish i had fft right now.
[2:55] <mervaka> noisy power supply?
[2:55] <_inc> sound card trick?
[2:55] <dirty_d> i doubt it
[2:56] <dirty_d> _inc, using a sound card as an oscillioscope
[2:56] <_inc> wow
[2:56] <_inc> well yea i guess it makes sense actually with the adc
[2:57] <_inc> what the typical range on such an application
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[2:58] <SpeedEvil> 100-18khz or so
[2:59] <_inc> thats pretty minimalist there, doubt it will work on a macbook
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[3:01] <mervaka> dirty_d: http://mervaka.co.uk/~mervaka/xoscope.png
[3:02] <dirty_d> hmm
[3:02] <mervaka> i gather the curve is from the decoupling
[3:02] <dirty_d> thats weird
[3:02] <mervaka> but thats noisy as hell
[3:02] <dirty_d> shouldnt be any if youre not using the audio jack
[3:02] <mervaka> well for that i am
[3:02] <mervaka> :p
[3:03] <mervaka> i guess i shouldnt
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[3:03] <mervaka> but that would mean a lot of effort
[3:04] <dirty_d> naahh
[3:04] <dirty_d> just a little soldering
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[3:15] <dirty_d> know what would be nice?
[3:16] <dirty_d> if there was a president running that i could actually vote for
[3:16] <dirty_d> they all suck
[3:16] <Tenchworks> the lesser evil is the only option you have
[3:16] <dirty_d> democracy has broken
[3:16] <dirty_d> whoever has the most money and is the best liar wins
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[3:17] <Tenchworks> what democracy
[3:17] <dirty_d> exactly
[3:17] <Tenchworks> corruption is all that's left
[3:17] <ReggieUK> #politics *cough*
[3:17] <mervaka> dirty_d: got a nice clean square wave @ 12000
[3:17] <dirty_d> mervaka, 50% duty cycle?
[3:17] <mervaka> yep
[3:17] <dirty_d> through the audio jack?
[3:18] <mervaka> gpio18 this time
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> :)
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> That will be much better for servos and stuff
[3:18] <dirty_d> mervaka, what about 1800?
[3:18] <Tenchworks> IT LIVES
[3:18] <mervaka> oh god
[3:19] <mervaka> now that's horrible :/
[3:19] <mervaka> lol
[3:19] <Tenchworks> so after *borrowing* a few things from my local hackerspace
[3:19] <dirty_d> hmm, i wonder why
[3:19] <Tenchworks> my PI is now alive and happily updating
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[3:20] <dirty_d> mervaka, the only thing i can think of is to run the servos at 400Hz instead of 50Hz
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[3:20] <gooseberry> what did you borrow?
[3:20] <Tenchworks> I should have checked my gear while waiting for shipping, oh well new stuff is ordered and on the way
[3:20] <dirty_d> that way the 1-2ms pulse is a bigger part of the period
[3:20] <dirty_d> im not sure why that even matters
[3:20] <mervaka> yeah
[3:20] <SpeedEvil> Some servos don't like that
[3:20] <mervaka> the long space seems to be affecting it
[3:20] <SpeedEvil> It varies
[3:20] <dirty_d> yea
[3:20] <mervaka> doing another screen for you
[3:21] <Tenchworks> working usb keyboard and hdmi to dvi adapter
[3:21] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, he has a 50Hz signal now
[3:21] <dirty_d> but with the very low duty cycle it is just all screwed up for some reason
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[3:21] <gooseberry> Tenchworks: all my pi is allowed to have is a samsung charger and an ethernet cable.
[3:22] <mervaka> http://mervaka.co.uk/~mervaka/xoscope2.png
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[3:22] <Tenchworks> well I've never ssh'd before and my usb keyboard's cable was crimp the wrong way whiloe sitting in storage
[3:23] <Tenchworks> either way I intend on setting the other PI (whenever I get to buy it) as a headless dust collecter
[3:23] <dirty_d> mervaka, it could just be your soundcard, i dunno
[3:24] <mervaka> maybe..
[3:24] <mervaka> then again, i can hear some wierd noise going on in the headphones too
[3:24] <mervaka> from the audio jack
[3:25] <gooseberry> mervaka: latest firmware?
[3:25] <dirty_d> well it definitely will sound wierd
[3:25] <dirty_d> its a 50Hz low duty cycle square wave
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[3:25] <gooseberry> 3 days ago there was an update for "Attempted fix for analogue noise at start and stop of playback"
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[3:26] <dirty_d> mervaka, i wonder if its like open collector or soemthing
[3:26] <mervaka> hmm
[3:26] <mervaka> maybe
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[3:27] <dirty_d> maybe needs to be pulled low?
[3:27] <dirty_d> oh snap
[3:27] * mervaka throws a res in
[3:28] <dirty_d> mervaka, you can control the pullup/down of the pins
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[3:29] <dirty_d> mervaka, look in wiringPI.c
[3:29] <dirty_d> in void pinMode (int pin, int mode)
[3:29] <mervaka> oh really?
[3:29] <mervaka> doh
[3:29] <dirty_d> at the very end of it
[3:29] <dirty_d> pullUpDnControl (pin, PUD_OFF) ;
[3:30] <dirty_d> change that to pullUpDnControl (pin, PUD_DOWN) ;
[3:30] <mervaka> awesome
[3:30] <dirty_d> that might do it
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[3:32] <SpeedEvil> mervaka: Try turning down the gain
[3:32] <mervaka> gain?
[3:32] <SpeedEvil> mervaka: input/output volume
[3:32] <mervaka> its the mic in on my laptop
[3:32] <mervaka> no gain :(
[3:32] <SpeedEvil> ah
[3:33] <mervaka> dirty_d: no improvement :(
[3:33] <mervaka> i'll try pullup?
[3:33] <dirty_d> nah it looks like the falling edge is the problem
[3:33] <mervaka> ah wait
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[3:34] <mervaka> i need to set pulldown after i set the mode
[3:34] <mervaka> i remember seeing something about it resets pud after a mode change
[3:35] <bnmorgan> anybody know where in the diff forums to find info on getting a wireless dongle working?
[3:35] <dirty_d> ok
[3:35] <mervaka> oh fuck
[3:36] <mervaka> make clean just deleted the .c file. wtf?
[3:36] <mervaka> lol
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[3:36] <mervaka> scuze language
[3:36] <mervaka> :(
[3:36] <mervaka> bah
[3:36] <dirty_d> mervaka, you sure it actually recompiled>?
[3:36] <dirty_d> it did?
[3:36] <mervaka> no, and i just lost the source. haha
[3:36] * mervaka grabs again from pastebin
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[3:37] <dirty_d> sabotage
[3:37] <dirty_d> id just use gcc and put the 3 files in the same directory
[3:37] <dirty_d> gcc *.c -o something
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[3:38] <mervaka> aw
[3:38] <mervaka> same old problem
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[3:39] <dirty_d> you changed to PUD_DOWN?
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[3:39] <mervaka> yeah
[3:39] <dirty_d> how are you building?
[3:39] <mervaka> well i just manually deleted the .o and executable
[3:40] <mervaka> and rebuilt
[3:40] <dirty_d> yea but wiringpi compiles as a library
[3:40] <dirty_d> so youd have to compile that again too
[3:40] <mervaka> really?
[3:40] <dirty_d> yea
[3:40] <mervaka> i thought i just had to call that function
[3:40] <mervaka> in my test program
[3:40] <dirty_d> just put wiringpi.c wiringpi.h and your file in the same directory
[3:40] <dirty_d> so you can compile it all in one go
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[3:41] <dirty_d> no need for a library
[3:41] <dirty_d> then just do gcc wiringpi.c mervaka.c -o pwmtest
[3:42] <dirty_d> pwmtest.c or whatever it is
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[3:43] <mervaka> same :/
[3:43] <mervaka> result, that is
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[3:43] <mervaka> as you say, it could well be my sound card
[3:43] <dirty_d> hmm
[3:43] <dirty_d> maybe but i have a feeling its not
[3:43] <mervaka> hmm
[3:43] <dirty_d> try adding an actual pulldown resistor
[3:44] <mervaka> ok
[3:44] <dirty_d> like 10k i guess
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[3:46] <mervaka> done. no change.
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[3:50] <mervaka> maybe put in a cap to gnd?
[3:50] <mervaka> shunt HF
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[3:58] <dirty_d> hmm i dunno
[3:58] <dirty_d> this is strange
[3:58] <dirty_d> is this with the servo connected?
[3:58] <dirty_d> try with it not
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[3:58] <harish> I've a question: I have the Fedora 14 remix running but I can't log into LXDE. Got into the console, init 3, logged in a user and did a startx and it fails to start
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[4:01] <mervaka> dirty_d: with and without
[4:01] <mervaka> doesnt seem to stay flat for any longer than 10ms
[4:02] <mervaka> which strangely enough, makes 100hz
[4:03] <mervaka> maybe i should try playing with the period
[4:04] <dirty_d> maybe
[4:07] <mervaka> strange
[4:07] <mervaka> halved the range to 12000
[4:07] <mervaka> still get awful noise problems
[4:11] <mervaka> maybe i should right
[4:11] <mervaka> 3am
[4:12] <mervaka> right*
[4:12] <mervaka> 3am
[4:12] <mervaka> bedtime i think
[4:13] <bnmorgan> anyone available and patient enough to maybe help me get wifi adapter working?
[4:13] <Syliss> which one, what os?
[4:14] <bnmorgan> debian
[4:14] <bnmorgan> and dynex dx-busb
[4:14] <bnmorgan> has a broadcom chip inside, can get the number if need be
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[4:16] <bnmorgan> if that one isn't acceptable, need to know one that has the best price versus easy to use
[4:17] <mervaka> bnmorgan: lsusb
[4:17] <bnmorgan> ?
[4:18] <mervaka> type that into the console with the device in
[4:18] <mervaka> and paste the relevant line
[4:18] <bnmorgan> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 4317:0720 Broadcom Corp. Dynex DX-BUSB
[4:19] <_inc> bnmorgan: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=7471&p=110453&hilit=wifi#p110453
[4:19] <_inc> only automated setup I've known to work
[4:21] <JMichaelX> ach. i got an email saying that my raspi should ship tomorrow, but i am going to be $5 +/- short of having enough in my account to cover it. dammit.
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[4:22] <bnmorgan> tyvm
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[4:23] <Syliss> JMichaelX: haven't taken the money out yet?
[4:25] <bnmorgan> ok, wow. that's huge
[4:25] <bnmorgan> how do i actually use that
[4:25] <_inc> mine got taken out on preorder
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[4:25] <_inc> whats huge?
[4:25] <_inc> :P
[4:25] <Syliss> i used a credit card, just in case there were any issues
[4:25] <warddr_> hello, I'm sorry I'm new to RP so I have a lot of questions, is it normal that if I do free -h I only see 120M of memory? Shouldn't that be double of that?
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[4:25] <JMichaelX> Syliss: no, at least not that i ever noticed.
[4:25] <JMichaelX> i really don't like ordering something, then that order wind up being filled months down the road
[4:25] <JMichaelX> _inc: who did you order from? i ordered from newark/element14
[4:25] <_inc> RS
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[4:25] <Syliss> JMichaelX: what country are you in?
[4:25] <JMichaelX> Syliss: the US
[4:25] <Syliss> me too
[4:25] <_inc> warddr_: some memory is reserved for the GPU
[4:26] <warddr_> _inc, and can that be re-assigned to the CPUN
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[4:26] <_inc> yea
[4:26] <_inc> what distro?
[4:26] <warddr_> arch
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[4:26] <_inc> dunno :P
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[4:26] <JMichaelX> what does it mean in IRC to 'have permission to talk'?
[4:26] <_inc> in debian its all in the elf files
[4:27] <_inc> I'm not very linux pro
[4:27] <bnmorgan> inc: that .sh file from the link you gave me is a whole boatload of stuff, how do i use it
[4:27] <Syliss> i ordered from rs, so it was taken out and shipped within a week
[4:27] <JMichaelX> i have never before see an IRC channel where everyone has permission to talk
[4:27] <JMichaelX> Syliss: pretty nice
[4:28] <Syliss> i signed up for the order code and waited
[4:28] <_inc> warddr_: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Choosing_the_right_ARM.2FGPU_memory_split
[4:28] <warddr_> _inc, That at least tells me that it is possible, I'll figure it out
[4:28] <Syliss> got it in may, right before my birthday to boot
[4:28] <_inc> warddr_: solution above
[4:28] <JMichaelX> i ordered from newark on march 13, and it is supposed to ship in the morning
[4:28] <warddr_> _inc, I think we hit enter at the same time :D thanks!
[4:29] <Syliss> wow, screw that
[4:29] <warddr_> JMichaelX, mine was supposed to be shipped next week and I already got it :D
[4:33] <bnmorgan> how do i run a .sh file. got it on there, or created one and copied it all in
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[4:36] <warddr_> Ok, I've got one more question, in the raspberry pi arch linux image SSH is enabled by default, are the keys generated at fist booth one way or another, or are they the same everywhere?
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[4:58] <warddr_> Anyone? This can be a big security issue...
[5:01] <_inc> its generated on ssh-keygen
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[5:51] <ballisticpain1> Anyone here on ArchLinux on their Pi?
[5:51] <warddr_> ballisticpain1, yes
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[5:52] <ballisticpain1> I'm having some issues compiling some stuff. There's not as many packages for it as there are for Raspbian..
[5:52] <ballisticpain1> Ultimately I need ssvnc.
[5:52] <ballisticpain1> Or any vnc viewer for the Pi that can scale.
[5:53] <warddr_> ballisticpain1, I took a quick look at the ssvnc changes page and I found this:
[5:53] <warddr_> > - remove support for ARM2, ARM2AS, ARM3, ARM6, ARM7, ARM7TDMI and StrongARM
[5:53] <warddr_> > processor families, and the related silicon bug workarounds (especially
[5:53] <warddr_> > the SA-110 STM^ bug).
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[5:53] <warddr_> changelog of september 2011
[5:54] <ballisticpain1> I installed it in Raspbian ... :-/
[5:54] <ballisticpain1> The 1.0.29-2 version.
[5:54] <ballisticpain1> It works so long as I don't scale the viewer.
[5:55] <ballisticpain1> I'm not a noob to linux, but Archlinux is new to me completely.
[5:55] <ballisticpain1> I'm very excited about how performant it is though.
[5:55] <ballisticpain1> I have put Enlightenment on top of it and that also seems to respond much better than the Raspbian I have on my other card.
[5:55] <warddr_> The thing with arch linux is that you have to do a lot of tings yourself
[5:56] <warddr_> they don't change any config file for you, ...
[5:56] <ballisticpain1> I'm fine with that...
[5:56] <warddr_> and they don't install any driver for you, that makes it fast
[5:56] <ballisticpain1> I have been gathering that it's more of a power user experience.
[5:56] <ballisticpain1> Correc.t
[5:56] <ballisticpain1> Which is why I think it is the perfect solution for what I'm trying to do.
[5:57] <warddr_> I can't really help you with ssvnc, I've got quite some experience with arch linux, but I only started testing my pi a couple of hours ago
[5:57] <ballisticpain1> Ah fun... got you some arch on there already?
[5:57] <ballisticpain1> My company over paid for my Pi on eBay. :)
[5:57] <ballisticpain1> So I've had mine about 1 week.
[5:57] <warddr_> arch is the first os I tried to put on there
[5:58] <ballisticpain1> tried sounds bad?
[5:58] <warddr_> No, it works from the first attempt, I'm not a native speaker so sometimes I choose the wrong words
[5:58] <ballisticpain1> So Raspbian has done an amazing job of converting TONS of packages to the ARM proc architecture... any way to use a deb?
[5:58] <ballisticpain1> Ah my apologies. You speak well.
[5:59] <ballisticpain1> I would have used tried myself :) and I am a native speaker. I was just digging deep in-case there was something I could help you with.
[5:59] <warddr_> A deb is some kind of archive with some instructions on how to install it, I think you should be able to extract it
[6:00] <warddr_> ballisticpain1, I'm fine from now. I'm going to use it for my bachelor thesis
[6:00] <warddr_> but before that I first want to have some fun with it
[6:00] <ballisticpain1> Certainly..
[6:00] <ballisticpain1> Subject for your thesis?
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[6:01] <warddr_> collecting and transmitting car information from OBD-II
[6:01] <ballisticpain1> That's a pretty awesome thesis to be based in part on the Rapsberry Pi in my humble opinion... oh cool.
[6:01] <warddr_> I work together with a garage and I presented them some alternatives, and the raspberry pi was the cheapest and the most flexible
[6:01] <ballisticpain1> I knew a deb was merely a compressed something or other...
[6:02] <ballisticpain1> So it would be like the expensive machines that check your computer codes at the parts stores?
[6:03] <ballisticpain1> So I was attempting to get xmkmf installed as thats needed to use the build script of ssvnc, but I can't find that on pacman.
[6:03] <warddr_> It's not for that, I just need to read some codes (like distance traveled and some error codes, I'll be using a USB OBD-II reader for it), and transmit it while driving
[6:03] <ballisticpain1> Ah okay...
[6:03] <ballisticpain1> Nice.
[6:04] <warddr_> And for the transmission part I'm making a proof of concept to make it connect using wifi with diffirent FON-hotspots
[6:04] <ballisticpain1> I also attempted to do a deb2targz so I could pacman that, but deb2targz apparently isn't ready for the pi either...
[6:05] <ballisticpain1> Have you thought about using a 900MHz wireless that can transmit I believe up to 15miles?
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[6:06] <ballisticpain1> http://www.digi.com/products/wireless-wired-embedded-solutions/zigbee-rf-modules/point-multipoint-rfmodules/
[6:07] <ballisticpain1> I have used the XBee radios with an arduino board to transmit some wireless data.
[6:07] <ballisticpain1> I have actually created my own little network using those radios.
[6:07] <warddr_> I've been thinking about other means of communication, but at the moments they are too expensive. The garage plans to install the device in every car they sell
[6:07] <ballisticpain1> This way you wouldn't have to worry about the reliability of WiFi in a particular area.
[6:07] <ballisticpain1> I see...
[6:08] <ballisticpain1> Do the owners know about the devices?
[6:08] <warddr_> With rp + wifi + OBD-II I'll spend about 40EUR on parts
[6:08] <ballisticpain1> Nice...
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[6:08] <ballisticpain1> Yea you probably want WiFi with what you're talking about.
[6:08] <warddr_> ballisticpain1, yes, it's a free option the garage gives, so they can contact you if your car needs service
[6:08] <megatog615> so apparently the pi's hdmi supports CEC
[6:09] <ballisticpain1> CEC?
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[6:09] <megatog615> it's what my tv calls it, yeah
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[6:09] <ballisticpain1> I don't know what that is, but okay :)
[6:09] <megatog615> it's some capability that lets it control the tv
[6:09] <ballisticpain1> Oh yes...
[6:09] <ballisticpain1> That it does.
[6:09] <megatog615> turn it on, turn it off, etc
[6:09] <ballisticpain1> It can turn it on ya...
[6:09] <ballisticpain1> Change the input so it's showing the Pi
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[6:10] <ballisticpain1> warddr_: So if I just put all the files in the "deb" in the right locations that *should* work right?
[6:11] <warddr_> you can give it a try, but you should also look at dependencies and things like that
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[6:12] <ballisticpain1> I know it depends on vncviewer and stunnel.
[6:12] <ballisticpain1> I already have both of those installed. :-D
[6:12] <ballisticpain1> I really don't want to have to use Raspbian... it just wont look quite like I want it to.
[6:12] <megatog615> ohi
[6:12] <megatog615> netsplit
[6:14] <warddr_> just give it a try, it might work
[6:17] <warddr_> ballisticpain1, thanks for the hint about 900Mhz communication anyway. I think if I'd do something like that my school would prefer using DASH7, they are in that alliance.
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[6:18] <ballisticpain1> DASH7 I will have to look into that myself.
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[6:20] <warddr_> Basically a low power consuming version of zigbee with some other benefits.
[6:20] <warddr_> But I have to go, sun is rising here in Europe so I should definitely get some sleep
[6:21] <huene> or get to work
[6:21] <Cheery> I need my coffee
[6:21] * warddr_ is a student, and the summer break just started :D
[6:21] <Syliss> ugh, trying to find a cheap and decent usb extension for the lapdock
[6:22] <huene> i miss the time when i was studying and could sleep all day
[6:22] <warddr_> don't have much time for the break because I have to finish my bachelor thesis, but I can choose the hours I go to sleep and wake up
[6:22] <ballisticpain1> Affirmative.
[6:22] <ballisticpain1> Nice.
[6:22] <ballisticpain1> Thanks warddr for some friendly advice.
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[6:22] <warddr_> no problem, I hope you get it working
[6:23] <ballisticpain1> Me too or its back to Raspbian at least for the demo.
[6:23] <ballisticpain1> :-D
[6:23] <Cheery> I'm idle.. and I'm just about to fix it by getting to pget things or either get on coding something awesome
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[6:23] <Cheery> so if anyone of you have any good questions, it'd be great to time them now.
[6:23] <ballisticpain1> Cheery: Know much about Archlinux with the RPi?
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[6:24] <Cheery> ballisticpain1: I know some about linuxes in general. I use debian based distros.
[6:24] <ballisticpain1> I generally do too, but need the performance that comes with archlinux not installing much.
[6:24] <ballisticpain1> I also need ssvnc.
[6:24] <ballisticpain1> I have archlinux installed and have enlightenment on top of it for the visuals.
[6:24] <ballisticpain1> I'm now just having trouble getting ssvnc on there.
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[6:25] <Cheery> I'd figure there's not much difference.. well the packaging system is different
[6:25] <ballisticpain1> Raspbian has a deb package which is how I know about ssvnc.
[6:25] <ballisticpain1> Exactly the problem.
[6:25] <Cheery> pacman looks better than this debian apt -grump.
[6:25] <ballisticpain1> Archlinux on the pi doesn't see a ssvnc in it's package repo.
[6:25] <ballisticpain1> Even though there's one in the aur
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[6:26] <ballisticpain1> Though I imagine as was pointed out by wddr guy that they removed support for ARM back last year.
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[6:26] <Cheery> interesting.
[6:26] <ballisticpain1> However, I have been using the Raspbian version on my other card just last week.
[6:26] <ballisticpain1> I know Raspbian has spent some time re-compiling a ton of packages for the ARM.
[6:26] <ballisticpain1> Or whatever it is that they have done...
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[6:27] <Cheery> hmm
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[6:28] <ballisticpain1> I have also attempted to get deb2targz so I could then use pacman on the tar.gz to install...
[6:28] <ballisticpain1> deb2targz isn't available for the pi it would seem.
[6:28] <Cheery> um then do it in your desktop?
[6:28] <ballisticpain1> This is my first archlinux experience... i know it's a lot of hands on...
[6:29] <ballisticpain1> Not on arch on my laptop...
[6:29] <ballisticpain1> debian. :-P
[6:29] <ballisticpain1> debian based anyways.
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[6:30] <Cheery> it's a perl script
[6:30] <Cheery> http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tech/deb/
[6:30] <Cheery> so install perl and wget this:
[6:30] <Cheery> http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tech/deb/deb2targz
[6:30] <Cheery> it doesn't seem to use any special libs so it should run straight away
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[6:32] <ballisticpain1> Thanks for that :)
[6:34] <ballisticpain1> I've started to lose the forest for the trees with this.
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[6:34] <ballisticpain1> So I appreciate your patience and looking that up giving me the confidence and precise instructions to move forward.
[6:35] <Cheery> honestly said I don't know whether that solves your problem
[6:36] <ballisticpain1> No worries...
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[6:36] <ballisticpain1> :-D
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[6:36] <ballisticpain1> So far that put the deb to a targz for me.
[6:36] <ballisticpain1> We'll see from hee.
[6:36] <Cheery> try it and see.. there's still chance you could catch the source package from debian and try compile that
[6:36] <ballisticpain1> I was about to manually "install" it so this is better.
[6:36] <oldtopman> Anyone here still looking to get a pi?
[6:36] <ballisticpain1> oldtopman: how much?
[6:37] <ballisticpain1> Cheery: I know where the source is... I can get it directly from SF.net
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[6:37] <oldtopman> I've got one that I'd like to get rid of for $70
[6:37] <ballisticpain1> welcome back warddr_ ;)
[6:38] <warddr_> ballisticpain1, I decided to drink another club mate and skip another night :D
[6:38] <ballisticpain1> oldtopman: I'll let someone else jump on that. I can't afford that much at this moment... wish you would have caught me about a week ago...
[6:38] <ballisticpain1> I spent $152 after shipping for the Pi I'm working on now.
[6:38] <oldtopman> D:
[6:39] * oldtopman just sold his last one for $86 with priority mail shipping
[6:39] <oldtopman> Where are they going to $150+?
[6:39] <ballisticpain1> http://ebay.com
[6:39] <ballisticpain1> All day.
[6:39] <oldtopman> That's where I sold mine >.>
[6:39] * oldtopman is an unfortunate man
[6:40] <ballisticpain1> Ah well I saw how much they were going for, and I just did a buy it now because they were bidding that high on the 3-5 that were ending at the time I bought mine.
[6:40] <ballisticpain1> Maybe I was just seeing a nasty bidding war.
[6:40] * warddr_ is glad he got his the regular way
[6:40] <Cheery> I bought 160??? display for my pi
[6:40] <Cheery> in total it came a 200??? tty to my upstairs
[6:41] <Cheery> well.. going to do some osdev hacking on it once I get a conclusion to my latest project.
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[6:42] <Cheery> perhaps some disassembler stuff as well.
[6:42] <Cheery> but not sure yet
[6:42] <Syliss> i spent 43 with shipping for my pi
[6:43] <Syliss> but i got it from rs
[6:43] <Cheery> RS had pretty good shipping price yeah
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[6:43] <Syliss> 8 isn't good
[6:43] <Cheery> for me it was 6???
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[6:44] <Syliss> for how small and light it shouldn't have been $8
[6:44] <Cheery> well I bought some cabling and equipment along that :)
[6:44] <Syliss> i didnt
[6:44] <Cheery> the price was somewhere around 60-70??? on me
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[6:44] <Cheery> was a good idea btw.
[6:44] <Cheery> the equipment worked but pi I got didn't.
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[6:45] <Syliss> i didn't need anything else
[6:45] <Cheery> got the working one from farnell
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[6:45] <Cheery> still wondering for the case though.
[6:45] <Cheery> before cat strategically walks over the chip and breaks it
[6:46] <Cheery> they're pretty good at being evil.
[6:46] <ballisticpain1> Yea I need a case now..
[6:46] <Syliss> already had hdmi, keyboard, mouse, wrt54g (for wifi), sd cards,
[6:46] <Cheery> but..
[6:46] <Cheery> I'm getting my coffee now.
[6:47] <Syliss> i bought a $1 deck of cards that had a plastic case that the pi fits in perfectly
[6:47] <Cheery> cool ideea
[6:47] <Cheery> could go and buy playing cards too.
[6:48] <Cheery> there's probably a small store I get them from cheaply.
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[6:53] * warddr_ needs to mount the RP somewhere underneath a cars dashboard, I'll also have to go look for a good case
[6:56] <oldtopman> Alright, well if anyone needs one for cheap, lemme know
[6:56] <oldtopman> I'll have it for a few days :3
[6:56] <Syliss> needs what?
[6:56] <oldtopman> A (comparatively) cheap Rpi
[6:57] <Syliss> how many do you have?
[6:57] <Syliss> and how did you get so many?
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[7:00] <oldtopman> Syliss: This would by my second, and this one one from RS since farnell told me I wasn't on the mailing list.
[7:00] <Syliss> ah
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[7:01] <oldtopman> Syliss: I'd be willing to sell it to you for $70 if you want it.
[7:01] <Syliss> i already have one
[7:01] <oldtopman> Otherwise it's mein :D
[7:01] <Syliss> i want a model a
[7:01] <Syliss> and that mk802 android thingy
[7:01] <oldtopman> hmm
[7:02] * oldtopman needs an A as well
[7:02] <Syliss> i want it for the lapdock
[7:02] <Syliss> since i won't need the nic or 2 usb ports
[7:02] <oldtopman> afk
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[7:04] * warddr_ needs one without display ports and ethernet, for $10 or something like that :D
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[7:14] <yggdrasil> whats up
[7:16] <hermanhermitage> chicken salt
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[7:18] <Arch1mede> yggdrasil: get your wifi worked out?
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[7:19] <oldtopman> Night everyone!
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[7:21] <oldtopman> Night everyone
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[7:24] <harish> anyone working with the http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi stuff?
[7:25] <yggdrasil> Arch1mede: yep wifi is all good on weezy
[7:25] <yggdrasil> and then found a 8gb microsd and converter in the junkpile
[7:25] <yggdrasil> so thats also working out good
[7:25] <yggdrasil> just about to put some stuff on the drive
[7:25] <yggdrasil> what are you up to ?
[7:25] <yggdrasil> cmus is a great ncurses mp3 player
[7:26] <harish> i downloaded the raspbmc and am wondering what the size of the SD card should be? I am using a 1G card and although it seems to have installed, it sorta just stalls.
[7:26] <harish> perhaps I should really use larger SD cards.
[7:26] <deebo> its partitioning the drive etc
[7:26] <deebo> i think it even says something like "dont worry im actually doing things"
[7:27] <harish> the splash screen comes up but nothing else and it's been 30 minutes now
[7:27] <yggdrasil> i made a lego case.
[7:27] <yggdrasil> its pretty poor
[7:27] <harish> tempted to reboot it.
[7:28] <yggdrasil> ctrl alt f3 ?
[7:28] <yggdrasil> and ps -A
[7:28] <yggdrasil> or to
[7:28] <yggdrasil> top
[7:28] <harish> no go.
[7:29] <yggdrasil> how about the ok light ?
[7:29] <harish> ctl-alt-f3 no go as well.
[7:29] <yggdrasil> blinking ?
[7:29] <harish> the lights are all OK.
[7:29] <yggdrasil> isnt the ok light the hard drive light?
[7:29] <harish> hmmm. is the "OK" LED that of the drive?
[7:30] <yggdrasil> im prety sure
[7:30] <yggdrasil> mines kind of all sealed up at the momemt
[7:30] <harish> arrrh. just unplugged the usb. sigh. reboot.
[7:30] <yggdrasil> haha
[7:30] <yggdrasil> what do people use the gpio for ?
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[7:34] <harish> interface the gpio with an arduino?
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[7:35] <yggdrasil> hmm
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[7:36] <Syliss> unplugged the usb?
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[7:39] <Cheery> all right
[7:39] <Cheery> I'm loaded & ready
[7:39] <Syliss> ?_?
[7:40] <Cheery> 6 cups of coffee. 3 eggs
[7:40] <Syliss> eww
[7:40] <Syliss> can't stand each
[7:40] <Cheery> with unpasteurized unhomogenized milk
[7:40] <Cheery> I'm going to beat someone's ass today
[7:40] <DaQatz> Be sure to shake it well
[7:41] <DaQatz> Don't need to just pour off the cream
[7:41] <Cheery> whoops.. meant to say bottom.
[7:41] <Cheery> :)
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[7:53] <harish> rebooted with xmbc from raspbmc but the OK LED is not on.
[7:53] <harish> and all i see is the splash screen
[7:53] <harish> c-a-F3 has no effect
[7:54] <harish> on reboot, there was a message that the filesystem could not be mounted.
[7:54] <harish> i wonder if that is the problem.
[7:55] <harish> time to reboot and try the xbmc image from OpenELEC
[7:58] <harish> openELEC booted. yay
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[8:03] <Syliss> i like darkelec better
[8:04] <megatog615> well i like cake
[8:06] <Syliss> i can't seem to get arm128_start.elf working tho
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[8:11] <yggdrasil> wow i just learned about the gpio
[8:11] <yggdrasil> i thought it was graphics processor io
[8:11] <Cheery> yggdrasil: congratulations
[8:11] <yggdrasil> yea pretty cool
[8:12] <phire> :)
[8:12] <Cheery> this far I've used raspberry pi as if it was just an another linux machine
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[8:13] <Syliss> same with me
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[8:13] <Cheery> but this is low use I consider.
[8:13] <yggdrasil> i can say that cmus is an awesome cli music player
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[8:13] <Syliss> anyone changed the ram allocation ?
[8:13] <yggdrasil> so whats the other empty header ?
[8:13] <Cheery> if I'd be a newbie I'd have learned all sort of things already
[8:14] <yggdrasil> yea i havent learned much
[8:14] <yggdrasil> learned id
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[8:14] <yggdrasil> to check wwhat groups my user was
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[8:15] <Cheery> it's the most common platform for sysadmins, so that's good stuff for schools though
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[8:15] <yggdrasil> ive run linux for the past 8 years
[8:15] <yggdrasil> everyday
[8:15] <yggdrasil> 24 hrs a day
[8:15] <Cheery> me2
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[8:16] <yggdrasil> so the pi was nothing suprising
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[8:16] <Cheery> it's the most accessible platform if you consider raw details
[8:16] <yggdrasil> yea
[8:16] <yggdrasil> i like alot of stuff about it
[8:17] <yggdrasil> so these other ribbon cable connectors wtf are they ?
[8:17] <yggdrasil> theres 2 of them
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[8:17] <Cheery> lot of reasons to dislike it too. but overall there's no better choice been yet
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[8:18] <Cheery> yggdrasil: they contain gpio and other cool stuff
[8:18] <yggdrasil> well theres the pin header
[8:18] <yggdrasil> but the small tiny ribbons ?
[8:18] <Cheery> hm.. well not sure
[8:18] <OllieMorfik> i need a new computer :P
[8:18] <yggdrasil> i heard webcam
[8:18] <Cheery> I'm planning to use jumper cables to access them
[8:19] <Cheery> though I'm interested about UART, mostly
[8:19] <Cheery> and about that just because I'm not sure how fast I can access the LAN :)
[8:19] <OllieMorfik> was looking at amd's 4 and 8 core or intels i7quad
[8:19] <Cheery> only 8-core?
[8:20] <OllieMorfik> im not rich
[8:20] <OllieMorfik> i've seen some interesting server boards
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[8:20] <Cheery> oh okay. it should cockelpunch my current box in performance anyway. whatever you bought that costs more than 500???
[8:21] <Cheery> so it must be good :)
[8:21] <Cheery> whatever you bought
[8:21] <OllieMorfik> the multi core i essensial for xen virtualization
[8:22] <OllieMorfik> and i'd like to play with that ;)
[8:23] <sundancer> i wonder what can be done in order to make internet browsing on raspi more comfortable.. at the moment raspi feels like im stuch back in time with 386 with win95 and netscape browser on 64kbps link
[8:23] <Cheery> sundancer: not much.
[8:23] <Cheery> if you get chromium to work
[8:24] <sundancer> i got that but as i can see youtube is just too much
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[8:24] <Cheery> it probably is
[8:24] <Cheery> the websites have become unbearably bulky
[8:25] <Cheery> and we should actually do something for that
[8:25] <sundancer> so i guess i expected too much from that ARMv6 @ 700mhz ?
[8:25] <Cheery> well you didn't
[8:25] <Cheery> it's probably as good as your old pentium
[8:26] <Cheery> but web sites have become larger.
[8:26] <OllieMorfik> i was sending youtube links to xbmc and it was playing "some"
[8:26] <Cheery> without accelerated html renderer you're pretty much having that performance you got
[8:26] <sundancer> yes but android smartphones can handle them..
[8:26] <OllieMorfik> the crap xbmc plugin
[8:26] <Cheery> I'm pretty surprised web requires that much to run too
[8:26] <sundancer> but then android gadgets dont have ARMv6
[8:27] <sundancer> so i guess its CPU
[8:27] <Cheery> remember your smartphone costs 100-600???
[8:27] <sundancer> yes yes indeed
[8:27] <gordonDrogon> 'morning.
[8:27] <Cheery> and it packs quite much of power in itself.
[8:28] <Cheery> it runs java!
[8:28] <Cheery> -_-
[8:28] <sundancer> :)
[8:29] <gordonDrogon> everything can be optimised for smartphones as they have money to throw at it.....
[8:29] <Cheery> that too
[8:29] <gordonDrogon> here in Pi land, we're using generic community supported stuff...
[8:29] <Cheery> and I'm sure we have chances to improve the browser perf on raspi
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[8:29] <Cheery> but it takes time
[8:29] <gordonDrogon> possibly, but ....
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[8:30] <gordonDrogon> will google, mozilla, etc. make the effort?
[8:30] <Cheery> it might not be worth the effort though
[8:30] <Cheery> if you want to browse the web.. just get a machine that can do that
[8:30] <Cheery> there's better things to do with pi
[8:30] <gordonDrogon> Opera might be the people to look at - their mobile browser has an intersting solution in that the rendering is done elsewhere...
[8:30] <Cheery> we probably have lot we can do to improve browsing perf on community sites though.
[8:31] <gordonDrogon> Maybe make the websites themselves recognise they're serving to a Pi, like the good ones do when serving to a mobile and adjust accordingly....
[8:32] <gordonDrogon> however, it's breakfast time - I've been out & gotten 30 rolls for lunch today, now to look at filling them...
[8:32] <Cheery> actually better idea is to just make very sleek sites
[8:33] <Cheery> it's an engineering challenge.. pretty good one though
[8:33] <Cheery> makes it better on other systems too anyway
[8:34] <Cheery> though.. just getting the chromium to run might do.. a lot.
[8:35] <phire> modern browsers are kind of optimized for unlimited ram.
[8:35] <Cheery> it'd run webgl on some level
[8:35] <Cheery> it'd also be much faster than anything you can get otherwise
[8:35] <Cheery> phire: yeah. but I know chromium can run
[8:36] <Cheery> although the computer might not be useful for anything else when it runs
[8:36] <Cheery> but no need to
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[8:36] <Cheery> we might want to negotiate with node.js guys
[8:36] <Cheery> they'd probably LOVE it. because their platform works best on linux
[8:37] <Arch1mede> sundancer: 2d needs to be optimized
[8:37] <Arch1mede> whoops scrolled up to far and forgot
[8:37] <Arch1mede> yggdrasil: workin...hence why i didnt respond right away
[8:39] <phire> so we need acclerated x
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[8:45] <Cheery> phire: well I wouldn't bother about X
[8:45] <Cheery> except as chromium platform
[8:46] <Cheery> I just dislike all the desktop managers it has
[8:46] <phire> Cheery, you thinking we should push on to wayland?
[8:46] <Cheery> they're all just too bulky
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[8:47] <Cheery> phire: I think the tty is just fine.. or wayland, yes
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[8:47] <Cheery> might be good idea to roll our own window/input multiplexer too
[8:47] <phire> fine for what you and me want to do
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[8:47] <Cheery> they don't close away each other
[8:48] <phire> but other people want a full desktop
[8:48] <Cheery> I think it's likely someone will do this stuff.
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[8:48] <phire> well, you know what project I'm working on
[8:48] <yggdrasil> damit
[8:49] <Syliss> phire: have you messed with ram allocation?
[8:49] <yggdrasil> i deleted my smb.conf file
[8:49] <yggdrasil> thinkign thta if i reinstalled i would get a fresh one
[8:49] <yggdrasil> but thats not the case
[8:49] <rm> yggdrasil, dpkg -P samba then install it back
[8:49] <phire> Syliss, not yet
[8:49] <rm> if you use debian at least
[8:49] <yggdrasil> thanks
[8:49] <yggdrasil> yep wheezy
[8:50] <yggdrasil> what is that , purge ?
[8:50] <sundancer> i was afk, anyway i just wanted to hear other opinions regarding raspi speed. i understand its new and not optimised
[8:51] <rm> yes, remove with all configs
[8:51] <yggdrasil> cool
[8:51] <phire> Syliss, but its on my list of things to mess with
[8:51] <rm> sundancer, the main problem is the lack of accelerated 2D driver for Xorg
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[8:51] <rm> and don't hold your breath for one appearing any time soon
[8:51] <Arch1mede> sundancer: well its 700mhz....your not going to get top of the line speeds from it
[8:51] <Syliss> i tried it with darkelec today and couldn't get it to work
[8:51] <rm> mhz aren't even the problem
[8:51] <sundancer> i guess X is running in framebuffer
[8:51] <sundancer> ?
[8:51] <rm> yes
[8:52] <phire> straight in frame buffer, doing all its own pixel pushing
[8:53] <sundancer> i dont fully understand that hardware h264 decoder on board but any chance to utilise that for X ?
[8:53] <phire> yes, when playing x264 videos
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[8:58] <yggdrasil> rm: thats not working so good
[8:58] <yggdrasil> it wont install samba because the conf file is not there.
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[8:59] <yggdrasil> i touched smb.conf lets see what happens
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[9:02] <yggdrasil> ahh found the original here : /run/samba/upgrades/smb.conf
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[9:05] <rm> that's bizzare, it can't refuse to install stuff because it's not installed yet
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[9:08] <yggdrasil> rm yea
[9:08] <yggdrasil> i got it though.
[9:08] <yggdrasil> it tried to install it but would fail when trying to start the daemon
[9:08] <yggdrasil> because th econf file wasnt there.. im all good now
[9:09] <yggdrasil> not sure wtf else to do with the pi this evening.
[9:09] <GabrialDestruir> toss openelec on it and watch hulu/youtube/amazon or free cable?
[9:09] <yggdrasil> hehe
[9:10] <yggdrasil> you know i have this little box
[9:10] <yggdrasil> its a western digital free agent home theater
[9:10] <yggdrasil> and i have it rooted. its run linux and has a pretty cool gui.
[9:10] <yggdrasil> it has an arm in it. but the cool thing . it streams netflix.
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[9:11] <Arch1mede> if only netflix had anything good on it
[9:11] <yggdrasil> i was thinking if there was a way to strip out the netflix bin and run it
[9:11] <yggdrasil> the kids like it for thier cartoons
[9:11] <megatog615> yggdrasil: that would be awesome
[9:11] <yggdrasil> it should work.
[9:11] <yggdrasil> well it might work.
[9:12] <yggdrasil> i never really got into that little box too much but people had compiled transmission and smb stuff for it.
[9:12] <yggdrasil> so i know its mostly linux of some sort.
[9:12] <yggdrasil> i can give you the link to the rom if your intersted . instructions on how to log in and stuff.
[9:12] <GabrialDestruir> You could probably stream netflix on openelec too.
[9:13] <yggdrasil> i dont think so.
[9:13] <yggdrasil> lets check.
[9:13] <GabrialDestruir> But since I don't have a netflix account I can't test any of the plugins
[9:14] <yggdrasil> The "XBMC Flicks" plugin requires a technology called Silverlight to stream content that is not available on Linux so this cannot be made to work on OpenELEC, you can only use the Netflix plugin on Windows or Mac versions of XBMC. Ergo, if you have had this working on your laptop you must be posting questions in the wrong forums..
[9:14] <megatog615> the hell?
[9:14] <megatog615> why target a platform that nobody runs xbmc on?
[9:15] <yggdrasil> some one just wrote a plugin apparently
[9:15] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, that's not the only plugin I'm sure. There's probably somewhere one that streams the videos similar to the hulu and youtube plugins.
[9:15] <sraue> Silverlight is not a technology... its crap
[9:15] <yggdrasil> haah
[9:16] <yggdrasil> grammitcal correction ,its a pile of crap.
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[9:16] <GabrialDestruir> -crosses out pile, writes mountain-
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[9:18] <GabrialDestruir> Bah, well just another reason I don't need a netflix account. lol
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[9:21] <Syliss> why?
[9:22] <GabrialDestruir> Netflix is too restrictive
[9:22] <GabrialDestruir> and costly
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[9:25] <Syliss> lol
[9:25] <Syliss> 8/month is fine for me
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[9:26] <Syliss> ugh, 128 ram isn't working
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[9:29] <GabrialDestruir> Eh... my issue is, that at one point 8/month not only got you streaming, but it got you dvd rentals too
[9:29] <GabrialDestruir> 1 out at time.
[9:29] <Syliss> yeah i know
[9:29] <Syliss> i remember that
[9:29] <Syliss> but i use netflix on my 360 and wii
[9:29] <Syliss> and iphone
[9:29] <GabrialDestruir> Then they decided "OH WE NEED DVD ONLY RENTAL! LETS JACK UP THE PRICE!"
[9:30] <Syliss> yeah that sucked
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[9:30] <Syliss> i really hate having my pi in the other room, walking with a cane sucks
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[9:38] <Syliss> cool, 128mb ram for cpu/gpu worked. but it didn't help with the video shutter i am having. oh well
[9:39] <megatog615> Syliss: remember that's only mem for textures
[9:40] <Syliss> i know but still
[9:40] <megatog615> and some small other things
[9:40] <Syliss> its not a big deal
[9:40] <megatog615> q3 was made in an era where 32mb graphics cards were common, for example
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[9:41] <Syliss> at least my lap dock will be here tomorrow. won't be able to use it tho for a little bit
[9:42] <Syliss> like a week or so
[9:43] <hermanhermitage> what is lap dock?
[9:43] * Mr_Sheesh_AFK is now known as Mr_Sheesh
[9:43] <Meatballs> laptop dock?
[9:43] <Syliss> its made my motorola for the atrix 4g and droid bionic
[9:43] <Arch1mede> i just ordered those
[9:43] <hermanhermitage> can working with raspberry pi?
[9:44] <Arch1mede> hermanhermitage: yeah but you gotta get some cables for it
[9:44] <Syliss> yes with an hdmi adpter
[9:44] <hermanhermitage> sweet mother of the son of a fictional deity
[9:44] <hermanhermitage> thats sounds like a good idea
[9:44] <Syliss> Arch1mede: yeah luck me i had amazon gift cards for the dock and ebay gift card for the adapters
[9:45] <booyaa> do these images come with sshd? http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[9:46] <Syliss> its nice cause its really thin, 11.6" 1366x768 res, 2 port powered usb hub, keyboard and mouse, battery powered system
[9:46] <booyaa> would like to see if i can get away with just connecting to telly and ssh into the rpi
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[9:46] <hermanhermitage> syliss: sounds terrific, what is this part number called?
[9:46] <Syliss> hermanhermitage: where are you located?
[9:46] <Meatballs> booyaa, the debian squeeze does
[9:47] <booyaa> Meatballs: ty!
[9:47] <Meatballs> although you have to rename the boot_rc file
[9:47] <booyaa> ah might have to mount it on another linux box and rename it
[9:47] <Meatballs> I did it in windows
[9:47] * booyaa doesn't have any usb keyboards, orly? what did you use to mount the image?
[9:47] <Meatballs> its part of a small fat32 partition so was no problem
[9:47] <booyaa> ah
[9:47] <booyaa> koay :D
[9:48] <booyaa> so how did you turn the disk image into something mountable by windows?
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[9:48] <Meatballs> just followed the guide
[9:48] <Meatballs> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
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[9:49] <Syliss> hermanhermitage: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004M17D62/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=syliss-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B004M17D62&adid=07T1Q2D0TF0Z6RJK8K7M
[9:49] <hermanhermitage> somewhere out of left field
[9:49] <hermanhermitage> i was looking at some of these 8-10" in car lcd for pi, thinking ok, but cost
[9:49] <hermanhermitage> wow looks good
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[9:50] <hermanhermitage> this will make my work easier
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[9:51] <hermanhermitage> is anyone interested in reverse engineer the GPU?
[9:52] <Arch1mede> booyaa: wheezy does
[9:52] <booyaa> Meatballs: was referring to mounting the disk image in windows so you could rename the boot_rc. nm i'll use loopback to mount it
[9:52] <Meatballs> it was just visible
[9:52] <booyaa> squeeze > wheezy?
[9:52] * booyaa wants a lapdock too
[9:53] <Meatballs> I stuffed my SD card into my media reader, followed the instructions to install the image, and then if you browse to the SD card you can see the small boot partition
[9:53] <Meatballs> and there's a boot_rc_sshd or something you just have to rename
[9:53] <booyaa> ah yes you know what i'm being very dim again
[9:53] <booyaa> forgot when you dd the image onto the sd it becomes a fs
[9:53] <booyaa> <-- dim
[9:54] <hermanhermitage> dim booyaa as string
[9:54] <booyaa> lol
[9:54] <Meatballs> looks like its shorts weather today
[9:55] <Meatballs> 23-26 degrees
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[9:55] <hermanhermitage> cracking!
[9:55] <hermanhermitage> here it is very cold
[9:55] <booyaa> it's shorts and cold brew coffee weather
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[9:57] <Arch1mede> booyaa: nope...different distro's
[9:58] <Arch1mede> arch linux i think has sshd on by default
[9:58] <Arch1mede> i THOUGHT squeeze did but some are saying its not on my default
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[10:07] <megatog615> has anyone made any accessories for the pi for ATX compatibility?
[10:08] <Xark> megatog615: What would that mean? Physically mounting it in an ATX case? Or using an ATX power supply?
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[10:10] <megatog615> Xark: anything of the sort
[10:11] <GabrialDestruir> Heh... that'd be an interesting but pointless project I think.
[10:12] <Xark> megatog615: I haven't heard of anything specifically. However, it would be trivial to use 5v from a power supply with a micro USB cable. Also the RPi is so tiny, you could just suspend it by a few cables in a case. :)
[10:12] <megatog615> Xark: i was thinking plastic tabs
[10:12] <GabrialDestruir> Could go with like... a micro atx or something
[10:12] <GabrialDestruir> instead of wasting all that space.
[10:13] <Xark> megatog615: Yeah, that would be a good "thingverse" item. PC case 5 1/4 bay RPi harness. :)
[10:13] <megatog615> Xark: a plastic mounting board with tabs to hold it in place, an I/O plate
[10:14] <Xark> You could put like 4 PIs in a mid-tower. :)
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[10:14] <megatog615> yeah, or if you have an existing htpc you want to put a pi in
[10:14] <megatog615> because that is what i want to do
[10:15] <bionicRobot> What would be the point? You'd lose more in efficiency from the PSU than the pi would even use
[10:15] <megatog615> i'd like to be able to use the atx psu for powering the pi as well as an internal usb hub with a few usb headers
[10:15] <megatog615> bionicRobot: well, the psu would be powering a usb hub as well
[10:15] <Xark> bionicRobot: But you can make your Pi big and loud and put lots of those glowing LED strips and EL wire on it. :)
[10:16] <megatog615> you'd also get Molex/SATA power cables for hard drives
[10:16] <megatog615> what i'd use this for is to get rid of the mass of cables on top of my entertainment center
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[10:16] <Mr_Sheesh> Stack a few RPis inside an ATX case for a cluster? Hmmm
[10:16] <Xark> megatog615: I can see the use of it. Especially if it could be a "fake card" and go into any PC case (hard with connectors on all sides of the Pi...)
[10:17] <megatog615> right now i have a usb hub plugged into the wall and a usb hard drive pplugged into the wall too
[10:17] <megatog615> the pi has about 5 cables coming out of it in all directions
[10:17] <bionicRobot> megatog615, even the newest PSUs are 80% rated. At the minimum 10-15W is being wasted on the rail/ all to power a 5W computer
[10:17] <megatog615> bionicRobot: that is chump changs compared to the current solution
[10:17] <Xark> bionicRobot: Newer big supplies may not even be happy with only a Pi as the load. :)
[10:18] <GabrialDestruir> I'd rather invest in a USB battery/charger.
[10:18] <megatog615> GabrialDestruir: again, you get a mess of cables
[10:18] <GabrialDestruir> Or something like the laptopc dock
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> having a breather. still, 90 minutes to go - scones to fill, cakes to put out, crudites to arrange... Getting there!
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[10:19] <bionicRobot> well get a big honking case and hide it all in their
[10:19] <megatog615> bionicRobot: that's the point...
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[10:19] <bionicRobot> and $10 5V/2A wall wart
[10:19] <megatog615> bionicRobot: it makes more sense when you're trying to introduce a pi to an existing environment
[10:19] * Xark has his RPi and a USB HDD (and a few other items) all using the same 3.5A 5v supply (powered hub), so far so good.
[10:20] <megatog615> Xark: 3.5" or 2.5" hdd?
[10:20] <Xark> megatog615: 2.5
[10:20] <megatog615> i have an inline SATA->USB cable
[10:20] <megatog615> i wanted to just hook up inside the case
[10:21] <megatog615> it has power and data connectors
[10:21] <Xark> megatog615: Right.
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> Finally figure out how to setup a vpn
[10:21] <megatog615> i'm not sure if it can power a 3.5"
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> and can't access it from outside my desktop
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> er
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> my LAN*
[10:21] <bionicRobot> 3.5" USB HDD? even my keyboard could power that
[10:21] <Xark> GabrialDestruir: So, VPN = Very Private Network? :)
[10:22] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently xD
[10:22] <bionicRobot> Psh, what am I saying. yeah that needs a 12v
[10:22] <GabrialDestruir> Somewhere between my virtual pfsense firewall, and my router, at least I'm guessing, tls dies .-.
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[10:23] <megatog615> i bet there's data-only usb cables
[10:23] <megatog615> and i can just power it from the psu
[10:23] <bionicRobot> Could never figure out VPNs and SSL and such, thats why I do all my online banking at the local internet cafe
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[10:23] <Xark> GabrialDestruir: Quite confusing to troubleshoot (at least for me - we have had to use them at work a time or two).
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[10:23] <hermanhermitage> is anyone runinng without the linux?
[10:23] <hermanhermitage> i am trying to write the program from scratch
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[10:24] <megatog615> hermanhermitage: someone said something about riscos
[10:24] <hermanhermitage> i begin disassemble the bootcode.bin
[10:24] <GabrialDestruir> Well I know the vpn works inside the router, but it doesn't work outside the router, so my guess is somewhere in the router it's broken.
[10:24] <hermanhermitage> we did not know te instruction set, so we began to making it
[10:24] <bionicRobot> megatog615, a 3.5" USB HDD uses 12V, a usb cable won't power it
[10:24] <megatog615> GabrialDestruir: just use an ssh tunnel :)
[10:25] <megatog615> bionicRobot: yeah, figured that
[10:25] <GabrialDestruir> I have that setup too, but VPN gives me full access to the network, instead of just tunneling. lol
[10:25] <megatog615> bionicRobot: i'd need a usb cable that just goes to the data connector, then plug a regular sata power cable into it from the psu
[10:26] <bionicRobot> most of the big USB HDDs have a wall wart PSU. I've yet to see one with Molex or SATA-P
[10:27] <megatog615> well, the hdd itself is in an enclosure
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[10:27] <megatog615> i can just remove it
[10:27] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose I could tunnel, and then vpn once inside the tunnel, but that does seem like a lot of extra overhead .-.
[10:29] <bionicRobot> we spent $600 on a juniper. It just works
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[10:29] <bionicRobot> I tried the roll your own VPN at one point. too much work
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[10:31] <GabrialDestruir> I just wish I had a better way to see what was happening on the network. lol
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[10:32] <bionicRobot> This juniper gives me so much power now it scares the shit out of me.
[10:33] <bionicRobot> Want to change the packets of one PC just a little so you can watch a developer tear his hair out, we do that
[10:33] <GabrialDestruir> lmao... if I had that kind of power at any sort of job, I'd screw with people on a daily basis
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[10:34] <Xhinde> BOFHs...
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[10:34] <bionicRobot> I just spent a month working on a bug, because 1 client said our software didn't work.
[10:34] <GabrialDestruir> "What's that? Everytime you try to check your email you get nyan cat? Seems to be something wrong with the network."
[10:35] <bionicRobot> I asked repeatedly if they could check the firewall. "no, it's not the firewall"
[10:35] <Silox|> O, hai, is the type of the filesystem of the partition where the .img (arch in my case) important?
[10:35] <GabrialDestruir> You're doing it wrong, Silox|
[10:35] <megatog615> Silox|: extremely
[10:35] <bionicRobot> turns out their firewall was dropping SOAP requests
[10:35] <GabrialDestruir> the img doesn't get put on the sdcard, it gets burned to the sdcard
[10:36] <Silox|> I'm 'burning' it with dd, yes.
[10:36] <bionicRobot> http, POST, GET, everything else worked
[10:36] <Silox|> (Still wrong? :x)
[10:36] <megatog615> Silox|: you must sacrifice a goat
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[10:36] <Silox|> I'm following this guide: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Copying_an_image_to_the_SD_Card_in_Linux_.28command_line.29
[10:36] <megatog615> Silox|: to please the pi gods in order for your pi to boot
[10:37] <GabrialDestruir> To Hephaestus... he gets angry when people make innovative leaps without his say so.
[10:37] <Arch1mede> bionicRobot: i think in any orginazation you get that...i know at my work we get that alot
[10:37] <Silox|> Yes, megatog615. I'll do that then. Brb.
[10:37] <sundancer> which player should i use to play HLS stream (http live streaming, h264 stream) on raspi?
[10:37] <GabrialDestruir> make sure you're burning to like sdb and not sdb1
[10:37] <GabrialDestruir> it makes a HUGE difference
[10:38] <megatog615> a huge difference meaning, one works and one doesnt
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir> Exactly.
[10:38] <booyaa> sundancer: will vlc run?
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir> Same problem with the nook root stuff, you'd be amazed how many people go "but I dd'd to sdb1"
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[10:39] <sundancer> booyaa: it seems vlc doesnt utilise hardware h264 decoding
[10:39] <sundancer> since stream is h264
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[10:40] <mjr> probably not on pi
[10:41] <booyaa> sundancer: ah so we'll need to do a bespoke vlc bin for rpi
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[10:42] <booyaa> sundancer: migth be a bit over kill but maybe try the embedded version of xbmc?
[10:42] <booyaa> i think it's got the forgettable name of olce olec?
[10:42] <Gadgetoid> Open ELEC?
[10:42] <Silox|> Is there a specific Arch guide with partition tables etc?
[10:42] <booyaa> that's the puppy
[10:43] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/essence/issues/milestones?with_issues=no
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[10:43] <sundancer> tnx
[10:44] <jaeckel> exists a toolchain to program on the bare metal pi?
[10:44] <Veryevil> cheery: whats the link?
[10:45] <hermanhermitage> jaeckael: i begin this process
[10:45] <hermanhermitage> jaeckel: first the instruction set is not known, but we make the progress
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[10:45] <Cheery> Veryevil: essential editor research project
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[10:46] <Cheery> Veryevil: the first milestone is due to sunday.
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[10:46] <jaeckel> hermanhermitage: hmm, what? the instruction set is not known?!? shall it not be http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/I1022730.html ?!?
[10:47] <Silox|> Is it enough to burn the img using dd on a ext4 partition for arch?
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[10:47] <Gadgetoid> Silox|: you can't copy it to a partition, it needs to fill the disk- if you have a partition you're going to have to mount the image and rsync the contents over
[10:47] <jaeckel> as it's an arm1176jzf-s core?
[10:47] * booyaa is reading through the raspberry pi start guide.pdf
[10:47] <booyaa> they talk about connecting through serial via a com port
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[10:48] <jaeckel> iirc
[10:48] <Silox|> Gadgetoid: Over to what?
[10:48] <booyaa> where is the com port on the rpi? i've not got mine yet, but looking at the layout diagram on p2
[10:48] <booyaa> can't see it... is it the gpio headers?
[10:48] <hermanhermitage> jaeckel: arm is just the baby, the real grandpa is the broadcom videocoreIV
[10:49] <GabrialDestruir> dd if=arch.img of=/dev/sd* bs=1M
[10:49] <GabrialDestruir> where sd* is your sdcard
[10:49] <Gadgetoid> Silox|: I'm probably overcomplicating things by assuming you're trying to set up dual boot
[10:49] <Cheery> Veryevil: the overall basis for that project is to get better programming tools.
[10:49] <jaeckel> ah, I understand
[10:49] <Silox|> No, I just want my Pi to run the arch image.
[10:49] <jaeckel> :)
[10:49] <Gadgetoid> My VGA breakout board just arrived, yay!
[10:49] <Cheery> Veryevil: and one way to get those is to get rid of text in coding.
[10:49] <GabrialDestruir> dd if=arch.img of=/dev/sd* bs=1M
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[10:50] <Gadgetoid> Silox|: there are handy guides for how to dd, but ultimately you want to take over your whole SD card, making sure you refer to it without the partition number
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[10:50] <hermanhermitage> jaeckel: but yes arm documentation is good for starting
[10:50] <Silox|> Gadgetoid: I've made a 2Gig ext4 partition on the SD card en wrote the image using DD to it
[10:50] <hermanhermitage> jaeckel: but the videocore is running a ThreadX operating system, and provide video and audio services listening to the mailbox
[10:51] <Gadgetoid> Silox|: that likely wont work, as the image has a separate FAT boot partition which will end up in a weird place that way
[10:51] <mjr> yeah the image mustn't be written on any partition
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[10:51] <Silox|> So I have to delete all the partitions and directly write the image to the SD without creating any partitions?
[10:51] <jaeckel> well I'd like first to code on the bare metal arm, no need for the video and audio services at that point
[10:51] <mjr> well you don't have to separately delete them, the image overwrites the partitions anyway
[10:52] <Cheery> Veryevil: if the project is successful, I should see improvements in development speed. :)
[10:52] <Gadgetoid> Silox|: yep
[10:52] <Silox|> Ah, k, thanks, I'll try that.
[10:52] <Gadgetoid> Silox|: guide here: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Copying_an_image_to_the_SD_Card_in_Linux_.28command_line.29
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[10:52] <Silox|> Yeah, that was the one I followed, I just added some extra steps :')
[10:52] <Cheery> Veryevil: and I have somewhat inflated expectations in that sense
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[10:52] <Gadgetoid> Haha :D sometimes those extra steps are useful, dual boot on an SD card is very possible
[10:53] <GabrialDestruir> You don't even have to delete the partitions
[10:53] <GabrialDestruir> just do
[10:53] <GabrialDestruir> dd if=arch.img of=/dev/sd* bs=1M
[10:53] <GabrialDestruir> well...
[10:53] <GabrialDestruir> sudo dd if=arch.img of=/dev/sd* bs=1M
[10:53] <Gadgetoid> Although you have to change a whole host in things in Fedora for it to be happy on an external disk, painful!
[10:53] <Silox|> GabrialDestruir: Ok, I'll try that :3
[10:53] <GabrialDestruir> but still
[10:53] <hermanhermitage> how is the dual boot working?
[10:53] <hermanhermitage> jaeckel: mr dwalch67 on github
[10:53] <Gadgetoid> I've got a serial to VGA adaptor to try with my Pi now??? it's much more suited to the Arduino, but it's still pretty cool as an aux output
[10:53] <hermanhermitage> jaeckel: searching for this one, it is good
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir> you have to change arch.img and /sd* appropriately but if you do it it'll just write over whatever exists on the card.
[10:54] <Veryevil> cheery: that all sounds great
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[10:55] <Cheery> Veryevil: just take bit of grain of salt on it. I have an editor that's working, but I have to redesign the editing mechanism still.
[10:55] <jaeckel> hermanhermitage: can't find anything
[10:55] <hermanhermitage> one momento
[10:55] <jaeckel> dwelch
[10:55] <jaeckel> got it
[10:55] <Silox|> http://i.imgur.com/wF4kx.jpg
[10:55] <jaeckel> thanks
[10:55] <Silox|> Just like this, right?
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[10:56] <hermanhermitage> jaeckel: good starter information i think
[10:56] <Cheery> Veryevil: I still think it's potentially distrupting the whole computing industry if I get it correct. ^^
[10:57] <Veryevil> cool
[10:57] <sundancer> im using debian squeeze for raspi downloaded from raspberrypi.org/downloads .. now im wondering if packages i install via apt-get install are dedicated to rasppi or are they compiled for generic ARM architecture?
[10:58] <sundancer> or if i rephrase question: will be any better optimisation if i recompile software on raspi?
[10:58] <GabrialDestruir> no 1
[10:58] <GabrialDestruir> just /dev/sdb
[10:58] <jaeckel> hermanhermitage: thanks alot
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[10:59] <hermanhermitage> jaeckel: i want to make a basic monitor/hypervisor like teh old Action Replay for amiga, but i have been distracted by the GPU reverse engineering excercise
[10:59] <jaeckel> hermanhermitage: you have already a description how to move forward in reversing the instruction set? say, how can someone contribute?
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[10:59] <Silox|> GabrialDestruir: K, it's burning :3 BURN.
[11:00] <hermanhermitage> jaeckel: yes a few of us are trying it on my PI, i will make github page soon
[11:00] <hermanhermitage> jaeckel: i think we have about 30% of the scalar instruction set done
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[11:00] <GabrialDestruir> BURN BABY BURN! -watches card catch fire- oops....
[11:01] <Silox|> DD really needs a progress bar.
[11:01] <Silox|> But a decent one.
[11:01] <GabrialDestruir> yea it does. lol
[11:01] <jaeckel> hermanhermitage: ok, feel free to contact me when you're ready
[11:01] <hermanhermitage> 00000200: 0000 0000 1110 0000: 00e0
[11:01] <hermanhermitage> 00000202: 0110 1101 0000 0000: 6d00 ; tst r0, #0
[11:01] <hermanhermitage> 00000204: 0001 1000 1000 0010: 1882 ; bne 00000208
[11:01] <hermanhermitage> 00000206: 0001 1111 0000 1101: 1f0d ; bra 00000220
[11:01] <hermanhermitage> 00000208: 1100 0000 0001 1101: c01d 0741 ; ???
[11:01] <hermanhermitage> sorry the flood
[11:01] <Silox|> Bra.
[11:01] <hermanhermitage> jaeckel: this is the first few instruction from the bootcode.bin
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[11:03] <Silox|> Do I need to do anything specific to enable the HDMI output?
[11:03] <GabrialDestruir> hdmi cable
[11:03] <Silox|> No shit.
[11:03] <GabrialDestruir> and an hdmi tv
[11:04] <reider59> ....and a Pi
[11:04] <Silox|> WOOT.
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[11:04] <Draylor> dont forget the power
[11:04] <Silox|> It works!
[11:04] <GabrialDestruir> an sdcard
[11:04] <Silox|> Thanks bras!
[11:04] <Silox|> bros *
[11:04] <reider59> Turning the power on often helps
[11:04] <Draylor> but not too much
[11:04] <GabrialDestruir> If it's all plugged up the hdmi should run automatically
[11:05] <Draylor> or the magic smoke runs away
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[11:05] <Silox|> Yup, it works right away now :3
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[11:05] <Silox|> The problem was the 1 after sdb indeed :3
[11:05] <GabrialDestruir> That's a 25 dollar technician fee. >.>
[11:07] <reider59> Wonder if my cheap SD Card will get here today, got a test lined up for it. The WiFi script has changed and it's suited to a fresh install of Debian Wheezy. Queue the new SD Card.... C`mon Postie, run yer hairy legs off......
[11:07] <Silox|> Woo, ok. It works.
[11:08] <GabrialDestruir> I guess the fact my hulu videos aren't playing is an indication I should go to sleep .-.
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[11:09] <mrtime> What time is it? :P
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[11:09] <GabrialDestruir> 2am
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[11:09] <mrtime> xD
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[11:13] <GabrialDestruir> I totally forgot I was gonna bug sraue because the video resizing on open elec is broken
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[11:17] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, he'll probably tell me it's an xbmc issue and it works fine for him. -shrugs-
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[11:20] <Silox|> Should ethernet on the Arch image work out of the box?
[11:23] <reider59> Debian Sqeeze and Wheezy worked out of the box for me. I tried Arch but not the networking. I tried Fedora too, can`t recall if that worked as it was such a job just to get through the buggedlogin and on to the desktop. I prefer Wheezy to all of them now.
[11:23] <Arch1mede> <-- same
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[11:24] <reider59> I have tried the pre Alpha of Puppy too
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[11:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> wheezy is good
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[11:31] <TTSDA> Woo
[11:31] <TTSDA> "We can now confirm that your Raspberry Pi will be dispatched the week commencing 09/07/2012.
[11:31] <TTSDA> "
[11:32] <TTSDA> 2 months, worth it :P
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[11:32] <reider59> Nice one, you`re on your way to joining the ROC
[11:32] <reider59> RasPi Owners Club
[11:32] <TTSDA> hehe
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[11:34] <TTSDA> How much power does it need to run? I will run it on a battery for my project
[11:35] <reider59> People have powered it with batteries, see the forum for more details. PSU needs to be a minimum 5v 700ma
[11:35] <TTSDA> Ok, thanks
[11:35] <TTSDA> Oh nice, they're not using bbpress anymore
[11:36] <reider59> Make sure your intended keyboard/mouse is low power too
[11:36] <zutto> 700mA? isnt it 500mA?
[11:36] <TTSDA> There will be no keyboard/mouse
[11:36] <TTSDA> ssh
[11:36] <reider59> no it's 700
[11:36] <zutto> you sure?
[11:36] <reider59> It`s in the forums
[11:36] <zutto> cause i ran PI on my first day on 500mA ps
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[11:37] <reider59> Some will run lower, their are tolerances but not all will do it.
[11:37] <TTSDA> Well, I'll probably push the processing to the max
[11:38] <zutto> intresting
[11:38] <nid0> if you dont have any usb devices connected, 500ma is fine
[11:39] <nid0> the 700ma requirement assumes the nic and both usb ports are all connected and drawing max power
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[11:39] <zutto> this piece of paper that came with RPI says that model a needs 500-700, and model b 700-1200 mA
[11:40] <reider59> Last paragraph here.....http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/260
[11:40] <nid0> youll notice that piece of paper actually says thats the *maximum* current the psu should supply
[11:40] <nid0> and is also wrong, as the pi will happily work with more powerful supplies
[11:41] <TTSDA> It's probably the maximum the Pi will pull
[11:41] <zutto> yeah, its one of those warning labels that no one reads
[11:41] <nid0> reider59: exactly. as that says, 700mA is only needed if you're using networking and both usb ports plugged in and drawing max power
[11:41] <zutto> and yes, it is
[11:42] <TTSDA> Well, when I get it I will experiment
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[11:43] <Mr_Sheesh> You probably could get the RPi to draw over 700 mA, but not while keeping its supply voltage in a safe range like 5V +-10%
[11:43] <Arch1mede> does anyone know if there is a way to port the console font to say osx?
[11:47] <zutto> Arch1mede: what distro are you using?
[11:47] <Arch1mede> wheezy beta
[11:47] <GabrialDestruir> Is there a mac/unity type title bar thing for debian?
[11:47] <zutto> "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" should do it
[11:47] <Arch1mede> it looks EXACTLY like the terminal fonts that dos uses on windows
[11:48] <Arch1mede> no no i love the font...i want to use it but i dont know the name
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[11:51] <zutto> not quite sure about that ;o
[11:51] <Arch1mede> <-- sadness
[11:51] <zutto> its on some config, has to be
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[11:51] <Arch1mede> all it says is UTF-8
[11:51] <Arch1mede> as far as i can tell
[11:52] <Arch1mede> but maybe im not looking in the right
[11:52] <Arch1mede> err right config
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[11:53] <zutto> "Terminus" seems to be default font on debians
[11:55] <Arch1mede> terminus still doesnt look quit right....right now i have to use wine to run putty to get the right font look
[11:55] <zutto> waitwaitwait, what console are you talking about?
[11:55] <Arch1mede> wheezy beta...no startx
[11:56] <Arch1mede> the console
[11:56] <Arch1mede> i donno how else to explain it
[11:56] <zutto> yeah, thats either terminus or regional font (go look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/console-setup.config)
[11:56] <Arch1mede> ok looking
[11:58] <Arch1mede> ok what am i looking for..its got alot of stuff in there
[11:58] <zutto> indeed, and if you look closely, you'll see many lines with terminus
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[11:59] <Arch1mede> yep i see that
[12:00] <zutto> oh, its actually not terminus
[12:01] <zutto> its called "Fixed"
[12:01] <Arch1mede> thats it? Fixed?
[12:01] <zutto> if you browse the file bit further, theres the code to set the font on the console ;|
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[12:02] <reider59> woo hoo el cheapo SD Card has arrived
[12:03] <zutto> how cheap is cheap reider59 ;O?
[12:03] <reider59> 16gig for a fiver, free delivery
[12:03] <reider59> tried n tested on Wheezy already
[12:03] <zutto> whew, that is cheap
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[12:05] <reider59> I got an email the other day about a 32gig SD Card for ??12.99
[12:05] <reider59> Think it was E Buyer
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[12:05] <reider59> This one was Play.com
[12:06] <reider59> << looking at HDMI Picture Frames to see if any will take a computer display ;-)
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[12:07] <zutto> :p
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[12:25] <GabrialDestruir> I'm trying to understand for reason if any I have more than on Vbox with linux xD
[12:26] <GabrialDestruir> Wow that sentence was butchered.
[12:27] <Arch1mede> lol i read it like 4 times
[12:27] <Arch1mede> all i got from that was if you wanted to have more than one vbox with linux
[12:34] <netman87> RPi arrived
[12:34] <Arch1mede> hurray
[12:35] <reider59> nice one
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[12:46] <reider59> lol watching a youtube clip on how to convert a broken laptop screen to a fully fledged computer. The guy, obviously non native english speaking, describes something calle the "heart rife". I take this to be the hard drive and had a chuckle about it. When the text overlay came up I found it even funnier, it said and I quote "heart rife" :-)))
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[12:50] <ReggieUK> youtube cc'ing is pretty wild
[12:50] <ReggieUK> even with native english speaking people
[12:53] <warddr_> Most of the time that is better with non-native speakers, they speak more slowly and they speek more the way you read it
[12:53] <warddr_> *the way you write it
[12:54] <reider59> I have to agree at least this time, the guy is taking his time and putting it over really well
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[13:00] <Baneat> hey I just wrote raspbmc onto an sd card, which partition should I expand for storage space?
[13:02] <warddr_> Baneat, the ext4 partition
[13:03] <Baneat> kk thanks, seems my disk utility can't expand an Ext4
[13:04] <warddr_> Baneat, you should do it from an external computer, and it should probably be a linux computer (don't know a windows method)
[13:04] <Baneat> yeah I know I'm too lazy to boot into my ubuntu install, don't really need more than the provided 128mb anyway as it's all streamed through samba
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[13:33] <Peanut> Just got my Raspberry Pi in the mail! Question about the HDMI connector: this seems to be the type C connector? Would I need an adapter/cable to HDMI type A to connect it to a computer monitor?
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[13:34] <frankivo> Peanut: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/hdmi-to-dvi-24-1-cable-3-meter-1501?item=4
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[13:34] <frankivo> I used something like this :p
[13:35] <ThomasBerends> Hi, Can I power my Raspberry Pi with a charger that gives DC 5.0V/1000mA, on the website it says it needs "at least 700mA at 5V".. so.. I guess it works, but I want to make sure (:
[13:35] <rm> 1000 is more than 700, I can confirm
[13:35] <reider59> Should be OK Thomas
[13:35] <Peanut> My monitor has HDMI though (I think - I'm at work now, can't check).
[13:37] <ThomasBerends> Ok, thanks!
[13:37] <reider59> I think that's the same power as the poundshop versions of the iphone chargers and several people have reported using them successfully
[13:38] <reider59> Incidentally, the poundshop ones have been taken off the shelves (possible CE compliance) but the manageress of my local store said they will deffo be back on sale.
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[13:41] <dmsuse> poundshop is awesome
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[13:42] <ReggieUK> they are awful cables
[13:42] <ReggieUK> truly
[13:42] <ReggieUK> awful
[13:43] <reider59> I saw some electronic tennis bat gizmos` (fly zappers) at Lidl on offer at ??3.99, seen them ??7 some places. got mine from the pound shop 7 years ago and still on the same batteries I originally used. I taped up the handle when I dropped it but I have a spare still wrapped up lol
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[13:44] <ReggieUK> 4, count them with the fingers on 1 hand, of the thinnest gauge wire go to make up plus and minus on those pound shop cables
[13:44] <reider59> A few people reported the poundshop HDMI cables work
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[13:45] <ReggieUK> not tried the hdmi cables from there
[13:45] <ReggieUK> I'm dubious having seen the charger cables
[13:45] <reider59> I have one here, but not opened it yet
[13:46] <reider59> "signalex" is on the packet
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[13:47] <Peanut> I just measured the HDMI connector, it is a 'regular' type A full-size on the Raspberry, it seems, so a regular HDMI cable should work.
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[13:51] <Arch1mede> Peanut: correct...thats what i have mine connected to
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[14:18] <lrvick> its coming: http://i.imgur.com/8JHjB.jpg
[14:18] <lrvick> stay tuned ^_^
[14:19] <ReggieUK> didn't you spam that in here yesterday?
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[14:20] <lrvick> Yeah. Still fishing for feedback/interest and possible use cases. Not selling anything though. some shim testing: http://i.imgur.com/XiFuJ.jpg
[14:21] <lrvick> should all be polished up by next tues. Going to be working on a simple driver etc to go with it.
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[14:22] <cul> If you preorder from Farnell, does it include a usb->micro usb with a euro psu?
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[14:27] <Milos> PHAT BATTERY http://www.wut.co.nz/images/tada.jpg
[14:28] <Milos> note to self, use heatsink on voltage regulator
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[14:28] <frankivo> I did not know you could power it there :o
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[14:28] <Milos> yup, you can pick and choose
[14:29] <Milos> it can take power there or send power out, depending on how you've set it up
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[14:29] <ReggieUK> lrvick, have you looked at the arduino code for those lcds? there are a number of methods from the full 8bit (8pins) to 4pins and I think theres a lib that's even smaller
[14:30] <ReggieUK> erm, uses less pins even
[14:30] <ReggieUK> not saying the code is portable from arduino to linux but it should give you some clues as to how to go about it
[14:30] <ReggieUK> cos you can bet that if you release an 8pin version, someone will want 4pins and the next man will want even less :D
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[14:32] <WASDx> Just compiled openttd as headless server, nearly took two hours :/
[14:32] <Milos> you should have cross-compiled it, then
[14:33] <Milos> compiling raspberry pi kernel on a Xeon E3-1240 takes under 2 minutes
[14:33] <WASDx> yeah I considered that
[14:33] <WASDx> I havn't crosscompiled before
[14:33] <Milos> :-)
[14:33] <Milos> of course, you have to start somewhere!
[14:34] <WASDx> but a quick search showed me I had to install extra stuff on my main computer to get it working
[14:34] <WASDx> so I did the lazy solution
[14:34] <Milos> Haha, well, during that 2 hour time, you could have tried to set up cross-compiling :-)
[14:35] <WASDx> true :P
[14:37] <netman87> damn it
[14:37] <netman87> i dont have right usb cable to power RPi
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[14:39] <WASDx> yeah it's micro, not mini
[14:39] <netman87> sucks ass
[14:39] <WASDx> At least one person found that out while finally getting his
[14:40] <WASDx> have you gotten it yet?
[14:40] <netman87> yeah
[14:40] <Silox|> Does anyone has a link to a webshop that sells good, cheap adapters?
[14:40] <WASDx> Well that makes it two then :P
[14:40] <netman87> did arrive today some hours ago
[14:40] <netman87> did order last month
[14:40] <WASDx> I ordered 3 months ago and got mine yesterday
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[14:44] <netman87> hmm any ideas how i can power it?
[14:44] <netman87> not gonna go to shop too soon
[14:45] <dmsuse> wire up power to the gpio ports
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[14:46] <dirty_d> what are you trying to power on?
[14:46] <WASDx> Just go and buy a cable I would say
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[14:46] <WASDx> I ordered one half a year ago from dealextreme so I would get it in time
[14:46] <WASDx> Someone in your family might have an android as well, they usually have the same micro-usb cable
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[14:52] <netman87> WASDx: i dont have any money
[14:52] <netman87> ...
[14:53] <_inc> netman87: where are you? uk?
[14:53] <netman87> dmsuse: which pins are for power?
[14:53] <netman87> _inc: finland
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[14:54] <dmsuse> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[14:56] <netman87> thank you
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[15:19] <gordonDrogon> What Ho good Pi people!
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> ey
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[15:21] <IT_Sean> O_o
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> right. no more catering for ... well, dunno how long. nothing in the oder books!
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> I can perfect my Pasberry Pie... :)
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> goof. Raspberry Pie!!!
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[15:25] <IT_Sean> RaspberryPi, or Raspberry Pie?
[15:27] <cehteh> yummy :)
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[15:27] <netman87> apple pie > raspberry pie
[15:27] <cehteh> for the next pi-day we shall bake a raspberry pie :)
[15:28] <dirty_d> mervaka, make any progress?
[15:29] <dj_hamsta> cehteh, u take the first bite
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[15:35] <markbook> We need to create sensors and controllers so that the Pi can bake the Pie.
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[15:35] <markbook> Pi embedded in the Oven.
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> Pie :)
[15:36] <cehteh> https://www.google.de/search?q=raspberry+pie&hl=de&prmd=imvnsre&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=O13sT5qmN-ig4gTa9IiWBQ&ved=0CEQQ_AUoAQ&biw=851&bih=458&sei=Pl3sT7umEcXQ4QTntPWWBQ i meant this pies
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[15:36] <gordonDrogon> some of them look good. mine will have custard in it...
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[16:05] <_inc> just got my lovely hair cut
[16:06] <_inc> lovely
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[16:06] <Guest25692> Nice!
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[16:07] <netman87> _inc: u did program for RPi to have haircut?
[16:08] <netman87> ears still whole?
[16:08] <MikeL> :D
[16:08] <_inc> yea i interfaced a robocut via GPIO
[16:08] <_inc> http://www.ecrater.co.uk/p/743974/robocut-vacuum-haircutter-with-extra-blade?gps=1
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[16:12] <PhonicUK> the Pi makes a nice RDP client
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[16:24] <gordonDrogon> never could get the hang on thursdays. feels like a friday. wish it were friday.
[16:24] <_inc> is there a good GNU/Linux tablet about?
[16:25] <_inc> gordonDrogon: i know JUST how you feel
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[16:25] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, did you at least remember your towel?
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, Heh...
[16:25] <_inc> :D
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> http://yfrog.com/gzemseaj
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> I was at this: http://www.hitchhikerslive.com/ on sunday ...
[16:28] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, did you get any of my messages yesterday about chaning the PWM mode etc?
[16:29] <_inc> I've read the book and seen the TV show, but haven't heard the radio broadcasts
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[16:29] <_inc> gordonDrogon: what did you think of the show?
[16:29] <three14_2> jeez. 1hr4min to copy 21.9GB to a 32GB flash drive.
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[16:30] <NucWin> anyone know what the max draw on the gpio is?
[16:30] <three14_2> 16mA?
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> on the 5V or 3.3v or on a GPIO pin?
[16:30] <NucWin> ty
[16:30] <NucWin> pin
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> but I guess that answered the Q :)
[16:30] <NucWin> or all would be usefull for future reference
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> I have measured 30mA once ...
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> the 5V is limited by the 700mA polyfuse, but you'll trip the SoC before that... the 3.3 is limited by the regulator - 500mA IIRC...
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[16:32] <andatche> I thought 3.3v was considerably less than 500mA? sub-100 iirc
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> actually the 3.3 will source up to 700mA, but the rest of the Pi will drop out before that...
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> the 3.3v regulator is capable of up to 1A.
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> it's fed off the 5V supply via th 700mA polyfuse.
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[16:34] <andatche> ah, win
[16:35] <dirty_d> what happens when you blow the polyfuse?
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> _inc the show was excellent - go and see it if you can.
[16:35] <dirty_d> death?
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, it self-resets.
[16:35] <NucWin> thanks guessing i wont break anything if i draw too much it will just trip polly fuse or crash?
[16:35] <dirty_d> i thought a polyfuse was a OTP polysilicon type thing
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, I saw some messages about PWM - though I replied,.... what's up with it?
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, both - if the polyfuse trips, it will take out the pi and it'll reboot.
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> self resettings.
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[16:36] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, the PWM module is by default in the wacky default mode
[16:36] <NucWin> sweet thanks muchly
[16:37] <dirty_d> setting the PWM0_MS_MODE and PWM1_MS_MODE bits in the control register will put it into a more sane mode
[16:37] <dirty_d> where the pwm period is RANGE pwm clock cycles
[16:37] <dirty_d> and the on time is DATA clock cycles
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> I just copied Gert/Dom's code :)
[16:38] <dirty_d> so if the clock is 1.2MHz and RANGE is 24000 and DATA is 12000, you get a 50Hz 50% duty cycle square wave
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> what do you currently get with a setting on 512?
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[16:38] <jeez_> did anyone here tried to play a high resolution video on raspberry so far? If so, which player have you used?
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[16:39] <jeez_> I'm trying mplayer on the debian image but it is pretty much playing frame by frame
[16:39] <dirty_d> well in the default mode it creates 512 evenly spaced pulses in a RANGE clock cycle period
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[16:39] <dirty_d> thats what the datasheet says, kinda confusing
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[16:39] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, but for LEDs and motor control that works ok...
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[16:39] <dirty_d> the MS mode is straightforward though
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[16:39] <dirty_d> the default one is for high frequency PWM
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[16:40] <gordonDrogon> it seems to be able to control Lego motos speed OK..
[16:40] <_inc> I'm watching David Lynches Dune, I never though a guild navigator to look like that
[16:40] <dirty_d> you dont have easy control over freq
[16:40] <dirty_d> just duty cycle i believe in that mode
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[16:41] <dirty_d> i need to read the datasheet again to get a better understanding of that default mode
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> I might have a look myself later.
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> might also drop a line to Gert/Dom too.
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[16:42] <glombus> Has Fedora support for Raspberry Pi been dropped? All the documentation I've found says I can hit raspberrypi.org/downloads to get the image, but I don't see it
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[16:42] <gordonDrogon> glombus, the original release was somewhat buggy IIRC ...
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> glombus, wouldn't surprise me if they have temporarilly dropped it...
[16:43] <glombus> Thanks, wanted to give it a spin, but I'll wait until it's ready
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> glombus, stick to Debian :)
[16:47] <PReDiToR> I'm getting really narked. I used to run b43 before it was in the kernel so I'm familiar with trying to make WiFi work on Linux but this damnably irritating Edimax EW-7811Un is ridiculous.
[16:47] <PReDiToR> There is supposed to be kernel support for it from ~3.0 onwards
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> just buy one that's supported natively?
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[16:48] <PReDiToR> People say they're running it under Debian, so it must be possible.
[16:48] <PReDiToR> As an Arch user with a custom kernel I really have to put more effort into these things =)
[16:49] <glombus> <gordonDrogon> definitely my preference!
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[16:49] <andatche> PReDiToR: 2 mins, I have one working
[16:49] <andatche> locating a link to the source I used to build a working driver
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[16:50] <PReDiToR> andatche - Greatly appreciated.
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[16:51] <gordonDrogon> I'm not a fan of wifi at the best of times though - well enough to get it going on my laptops, but that's about it!
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[16:53] <andatche> PReDiToR: sorry, emergency at work, will ping you as soon as I have chance
[16:53] <PReDiToR> gordonDrogon - WiFi is convenient. I doubt it will ever be secure though. I like messing around with Linux and compiling software (I run Gentoo on my desktop) so it's all good fun.
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[16:53] <PReDiToR> andatche - NP
[16:54] <dirty_d> why the hell do i get disconnected from xchat and it doesnt tell me
[16:54] <dirty_d> its just like no one is talking, lol
[16:54] <IT_Sean> If oyu ping out, that'll happen.
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[16:54] <dirty_d> is there anything i can do?
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[16:55] <PReDiToR> Maybe you should use irssi instead? <grin>
[16:55] <IT_Sean> dirty_d: if you are pinging out, no.
[16:55] <IT_Sean> Not really. Ohter than the normal steps to improve your network connectivity.
[16:55] <dirty_d> hmm
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[16:56] <dirty_d> college's network
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[16:57] <dmsuse> anyone know a waterproof temperature sensor that will work with the pi?
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, you can encapsulate most 3-pin devices in hot-melt and heatshrink that'll make them rain/splash proof...
[16:58] <`z> who wouldn't like waterproof pies
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, so if you have the 1-wire one...
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> I currently have an LM35 connected to an arduini that's buried 5cm in soil somewhere...
[16:59] <aykut> :( composite video output with my old TV
[16:59] <aykut> looks like shit
[17:00] <dmsuse> hmm
[17:00] <dmsuse> k how about one that would go inside a water pipe :P
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[17:02] <three14_2> dmsuse, I use TMP36 sensors all the time (i think it's just like the LM35), some covered in shrink tubing, some with silicone. never had a problem with them being wet. Adafruit has a tutorial that explains, sorta, how to waterproof them.
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[17:03] <dmsuse> o ok thnx
[17:03] <three14_2> dmsuse, http://www.instructables.com/id/Waterproof-a-LM35-Temperature-Sensor/
[17:03] <dirty_d> dmsuse, is the water pipe metal?
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi1 3.2.21+ #2 PREEMPT Thu Jun 28 15:56:37 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[17:03] <dmsuse> dirty_d: copper, yes
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> lm35 is an analog one..
[17:03] <dirty_d> dmsuse, the njust put it on the outside of the pipe, it will be the same temperature
[17:04] <dmsuse> not sure i can get to it, its encased :P
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[17:04] <dirty_d> what kinda crazy contraption are you making?
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[17:05] <dmsuse> tis a solar water heater, just want the pump to come on when its at a good temp
[17:05] <dirty_d> cool
[17:05] <dirty_d> whered you get that?
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, oh - the outside of the pipe is ok if you can get to it - that's how mine works.
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[17:06] <dmsuse> dirty_d: bought it from some guy, aint tested it yet
[17:06] <dirty_d> ahh
[17:06] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: ok ill try that thnx
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> in-fact the temp. sensor is about 4" away from the top of the panel and the pipe heats up via conduction - so the sensor is inside the loft while the panel is outside..
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> some controllers pulse the pump once every 1-5 minutes to push some water through to check for it heating up...
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> the controller I bought has that facility, but I turned it off..
[17:07] <dirty_d> my dad made a solar pool heater when i was little with a few hundred feet of black garden hoses
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, it's very effective - esepcially if the pool is covered.
[17:08] <dmsuse> dirty_d: thats basically all this is lol, looks like copper pipe painted black with glass over it
[17:08] <dirty_d> yea the water came out HOT
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, just switch it off at night or the pool will cool :)
[17:08] <dirty_d> yea
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> I wish I'd put up double the area now...
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[17:09] <dirty_d> how much do you have?
[17:09] <dmsuse> ^^
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> me? I just have a single 20-tube panel. Wished I'd gone for a 30 or 40 now.
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[17:09] <gordonDrogon> I used the vacume tubes from navitron.
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[17:09] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: does it work in winter?
[17:10] <dmsuse> oh i got a wind turbine from navitron
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[17:10] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, yes - when there is enough sun - goesn't produce much hot water, but anything it does produce is less gas to burn...
[17:10] <dmsuse> true
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, does it actually work? no-where here to put one...
[17:10] <dmsuse> yeah
[17:10] <dirty_d> im gonna do all kinds of crazy stuff when i have a house
[17:11] <dirty_d> it would be cool to have a small river go through your yard
[17:11] <dmsuse> i tried it on a dead battery the other week for a short while
[17:11] <dirty_d> id make a generator powered by it
[17:11] <dmsuse> was getting 5 amp
[17:11] <three14_2> has anyone here ever tried constructing a solar refrigerator using ammonia as a refrigerant?
[17:11] <dmsuse> im thinking i could get tons more but the battery is not accepting the charge
[17:11] <dirty_d> dmsuse, how big is the turbine?
[17:12] <dmsuse> huge lol
[17:12] <dmsuse> the blades are like 1meter long each
[17:12] <dmsuse> but its only a 250watt
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[17:12] <gordonDrogon> I have a small river at the bottom of my garden.
[17:12] <Silox|> Cool story bro.
[17:13] <dirty_d> lol
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, go back to the dark ages!
[17:13] <Silox|> See what I did there?
[17:13] <Silox|> 'Cool' ?
[17:14] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, hey a few mods and it could be a small single room solar AC unit.
[17:14] <three14_2> because it sure as hell won't make your beers cold enough
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, I've been in a building that had an ammonia spill once... not nice. still, I got the afternoon off...
[17:15] <dmsuse> lol
[17:15] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, see? good things can come from accidents.
[17:15] * booyaa has made a beer cooler out of a terracota pot and saucer
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> rb
[17:15] <booyaa> dead handy when you're working in the allotment and want a cold beer after hard graft
[17:15] <dirty_d> booyaa, how does that work?
[17:15] <dirty_d> evaporation?
[17:16] <booyaa> yes
[17:16] <three14_2> that'd be my guess
[17:16] <dirty_d> neat
[17:16] <dmsuse> evaporative coolers just dont work
[17:16] <booyaa> water in the saucer, the pot is upside down as long as it's tilted on the lip of the saucer the beer inside should stay cold
[17:17] <three14_2> that's how i made my dog's water bowl. a bowl inside a second larger bowl, the space between the two bowls is sand. dog drinks, water gets in sand, water evaporates, water in bowl gets colder.
[17:17] <booyaa> i've see people use two pots, very wet sand and a towel to make fridge
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[17:17] <dirty_d> the more you know
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> they do work, they just increase the RH of the room they're working in ...
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> so you need more ventilation.
[17:18] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: RH?
[17:18] <three14_2> relative humidity
[17:18] <booyaa> ah
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> yep.
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[17:20] <gordonDrogon> speaking of which it's right yuoooooomid here today..
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> won't surprise me if we get more thunder. I got woken up last night by it.
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[17:22] <PReDiToR> In Yorkshire it has rained. But the temp is nice.
[17:22] <NucWin> In manchestery had some rain and thunder sunny again now though
[17:23] <NucWin> -y
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[17:23] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. Atari is 40 today..
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> !w buckfastleigh
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[17:23] <gordonDrogon> Hm. no pibot?
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[17:24] <PReDiToR> They look a bit dated. I traded mine in for an emulator.
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> I fancy an old 2600. Lots of them on eBay now.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> Gonig to interface some atari joysticks to the GPIO too.
[17:24] <three14_2> please do NES controllers. ;-)
[17:25] <NucWin> need games before controlers
[17:25] <rcaskey> Opinions on this server http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-PE2950III-Server-2x-3-16Ghz-Xeon-Quad-Core-32GB-Ram-2x128GB-HDD-/280905939598?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item41674c7a8e
[17:25] <booyaa> oh has anyone seen this yet? http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-28-get-all-100-ataris-greatest-hits-games-for-free-today
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[17:25] <three14_2> NucWin, fceu doesn't work?
[17:25] * booyaa will see if his usb to ps2 controller works on rpi
[17:26] <PReDiToR> MOAR RAMS
[17:26] <dirty_d> wow
[17:26] <booyaa> it would be rather sweet to play mame with a real gamepad instead of keyboards
[17:26] <dirty_d> id use that as a desktop, lol
[17:26] <NucWin> fceu?
[17:26] <PReDiToR> I'd keep it for running a Quake server.
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> is this a NES controller? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lot-2-New-Replacement-Controller-Pad-for-Super-Nintendo-SNES-NES-Grey-UK-/330613673133?pt=UK_Controllers_Attachments&hash=item4cfa1c4cad
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[17:27] <NucWin> rcaskey i thought it would be good idea to buy big xeon server in reality it makes lots of noise takes lots of power
[17:27] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, that's SNES, but would be cool too.
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[17:28] <rcaskey> NucWin, noise is a non-issue, its going in a datacenter, power wise its gotta be < 3 amps
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[17:29] <three14_2> gordonDrogon: a pic: http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/hsdemonz/tut/nes.jpg
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, Ah, right. gosh, that's a bit primitive..
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[17:31] <johanbr> Hi. I've been trying to find out whether suspend (ACPI S3) works on the raspberry pi. Does anyone here know?
[17:31] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, yea, and uses a simple shift register (4021).
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> nes controller has a weird pinnout..
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> johanbr: No.
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> johanbr: It's not a PC, so there isn't ACPI.
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> johanbr: And it basically doesn't powersave at all.
[17:33] <drazyl> rcasey good workhorse server. We have some 2950's still in use
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> At least witht he current kernel
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> And we have no docs to fix the kernel.
[17:34] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, i think it's just clock, latch, data, and power. or do you mean the odd looking connector?
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, yea, the shape I meant.
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> wonder if it'll work at 3.3v though.
[17:34] <johanbr> SpeedEvil, I see, thank you.
[17:34] <three14_2> no clue, i've never even seen a datasheet on that shift register.
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[17:35] <SpeedEvil> 4021 is a CMOS part.
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> It will have switching voltages of around half the rail
[17:35] <three14_2> http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/HEF4021B.pdf
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> 3.3V at a 5V supply input should be marginal.
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> yea, standard 4000 cmos - 4.5v or therabouts.
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> But generally work
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[17:36] <three14_2> a cursory glance says it wroks from 3-15v
[17:36] <three14_2> works*
[17:36] <three14_2> but i could be mistaken
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> I think it would be marginal at 3.3
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[17:37] <SpeedEvil> That's the supply voltage. If it's run at 3.3V, with input voltages on the data pins of that amount - then it work - though is very slow
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[17:38] <gordonDrogon> for the sake of just putting a few more pins on the connector - I'm sure the CPU could have managed it.
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[17:38] <SpeedEvil> you mean powersaving?
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> oh
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> http://seb.riot.org/nescontr/nes-controller-schematic.png
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> No, I mean driving the 4021 in the NES controller...
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[17:40] <UnderSampled> Happy Tau day!
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> Well, looks like it's trivial to bit-bang it to read the 8 buttons.
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[17:40] <IT_Sean> Tau day? What the heck is tau day?
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[17:40] <gordonDrogon> Tau? 28/6 ?
[17:41] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, trivial and awesome enough to score you another Hackaday post. :-D
[17:41] <UnderSampled> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtxmFlMLYRI&feature=g-u-u
[17:41] <oldman> I have just tied using omxplayer on Debian Wheezy. It works wel but I can't control it. There are no means to ff, rewind,Pause or even terminate. The only way to stop the video before the end is to power down the pi.Does anyone know how to at least terminate the player?
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[17:41] <Gadgetoid> Meeeh, I already did a megadrive controller on my Pi. I should win the internets :D
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[17:41] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, not use the 4021N?
[17:42] <PReDiToR> oldman kill -9 `pidof player`
[17:42] <Gadgetoid> I actually bought a 9-pin female connector recently, so I could set it up more cleanly
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, it's built into the NES controller...
[17:42] <PReDiToR> oldman kill -9 `pidof omxplayer`
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[17:42] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, whats that IC do?
[17:42] <zutto> PReDiToR: why not just use killall -9 omxplayer.bin?
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, it's a shift register - takes the 8 input bits and shitfs them out over a single bit.
[17:43] <oldman> PReDiToR: I can't get to a cli if the video fills the screen.
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, one at a time.
[17:43] <dirty_d> or pkill -9 omxplayer
[17:43] <drazyl> and kicks your dog
[17:43] <PReDiToR> zutto - I considered that but PIDs are nice to know about and that's a good way to introduce the concept
[17:43] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, http://www.parallax.com/Store/Components/Other/tabid/157/CategoryID/32/List/0/SortField/0/Level/a/ProductID/522/Default.aspx
[17:43] <Gadgetoid> It's a shift register??? in reverse!
[17:43] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, CLK shifts it?
[17:43] <Gadgetoid> I feel I need some of those
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[17:44] <PReDiToR> oldman - hold down CTRL-ALT and press F2
[17:44] <PReDiToR> oldman - That should give you a terminal to log in at
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[17:45] <oldman> PReDiToR: I have tried that but nothing happens.
[17:45] <zutto> also oldman omxplayer is "guiless" player, you control it with keys, but theres no graphical interface
[17:45] <zutto> you can just press q and omxplayer should close
[17:45] <oldman> zutto: I will have another go tyhanks
[17:46] <Gadgetoid> http://www.gaw.ru/pdf/Rohm/logic/bu4021b.pdf ooo, it works both ways
[17:46] <Gadgetoid> Wait??? or does it
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, ooh... would need to be in the UK though.
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, yes.
[17:47] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, whats latch do?
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[17:47] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, copies the pins to the input register, then they can change, but you still clock out the original data.
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[17:49] <dirty_d> so to read the next byte you need to bring latch low then high again?
[17:49] <dirty_d> so it starts back at bit 0?
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[17:51] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, yes. latch takes a snapshot of the pins, then you clock it out. lather rinse repeat.
[17:51] <mute>
[17:51] <dirty_d> if you send more than 8 clock cycles what happens?
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, it all goes pear shaped :)
[17:51] <dirty_d> lol
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[17:51] <gordonDrogon> actoully I'd need to read the spec sheet. some reset, some recycle...
[17:51] <dirty_d> so basically LATCH goes high, clock goes high, clock goes low, read DATA, rinse and repeat?
[17:52] <dirty_d> well from clock high
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> more or less.
[17:52] <three14_2> dirty_d, here. play with this: http://conductiveresistance.com/interactive-595-shift-register-simulator/
[17:52] <dirty_d> yea that seems pretty easy with gpio
[17:53] <dirty_d> you can do it at whatever freq you want?
[17:53] <dirty_d> well within reason
[17:53] <Gadgetoid> Isn't the 595 serial-in-parallel-out only?
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[17:54] <three14_2> yes, but it's still a fun simulator
[17:54] <dirty_d> thats the opposite isnt it?
[17:54] <three14_2> opposite of the nes's 4021? i believe so.
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[17:54] <dirty_d> ok
[17:55] <Gadgetoid> I need to find a parallel-in-serial-out register, sounds like fun
[17:55] <Gadgetoid> there are some IO expansion ICs and PWM ones I want to try, too
[17:56] <NucWin> where is the example source code for multimedia functions on the debian6 image?
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, parallel in/serial out can be done in software on a GPIO pin :)
[17:56] <Gadgetoid> Wheee: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/parallel-in-shift-register
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I've just put shiftOut in wiringPi, but not tested it and put it online yet though.
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[17:57] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: errr, how do you hook up multiple devices to one pin and read them separately?
[17:57] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'll be interested to see how your shiftOut differs to mine- I've not been able to get great performance out of it in Ruby which is a shame
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[17:57] <three14_2> gordonDrogon, no way. that's awesome. (shiftOut, i mean)
[17:57] <Gadgetoid> I pretty much copy-pastad the Arduino shiftout
[17:57] <mikey_w> a muxiplexer
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[17:58] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: let me know when it's online, though, and I'll test it out and update the WiringPi GEM
[17:58] <Gadgetoid> I'll be adding a helper function that takes an arbitrary length array of integers (1/0) and shifts them out by slicing them into bytes
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, looking at the diagram, it looks like you can 'reset' the controller by pulling latch low, then clocking 9 times.... should you ever get confused :)
[17:59] <Gadgetoid> In point of fact, I already have written and tested said function against my hacky shiftOut
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> hang on ... I'll put a copy up.
[17:59] <dirty_d> hmm
[18:00] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I plan on building libraries to compliment the wiringPi gem, too, supporting various protocols as you would find on the Arduino
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, you can fetch http://unicorn.drogon.net/wiringPi.tgz and check it...
[18:01] <three14_2> speaking of Arduino. anyone know of another lib to use with a 595 shift register and 16x2 lcd? still using ShiftLCD here.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, othe changes in that one include millis() to return a millisecond counter that starts at 0 when your program starts and serial IO code to play with the on-board serial port, or any USB one...
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> three14_2, off the top of my head, no..
[18:02] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: nice! you're really packing it out with features
[18:02] <Gadgetoid> Actually the serial stuff will probably be really handy
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, slowly...
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> brb. need to find my company chequebook... got a bill to pay and they want to use this old fashioned cheque mechanism...
[18:04] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: can't do much right now, but I'll endeavour to get this tested out and possibly wrapped up for Ruby before the day it out
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[18:06] <dmsuse> so that lm35 temp sensor will work directly with the pi with no rubbish in the middle (resistors, arduino) ?
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, no problems. thanks.
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, no!
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, the lm35 is an analogue one - you'll need to find a 1-wire digital one.
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, or hook up an ATmega processor to read the analogue sensor..
[18:11] <dmsuse> ok
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> that's what I did in my fan - I had an LM35 connected to an ATmega talking to the Pi via serial ... the Pi then controlled the fan speed.
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> sledgehammer, meet Mr Nutt ...
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[18:12] <mikey_w> Newark said they processed my order 2 days ago but still no shipping notice.
[18:12] <mikey_w> Sucks.
[18:12] <oldtopman> mikey_w: Mine took over a week between notice and shipment
[18:13] <mikey_w> Arrrgh. And that's not pirate talk.
[18:14] <oldtopman> :l
[18:14] <oldtopman> Sucks, but, what can we do.
[18:14] <oldtopman> Newark told me that I wasn't on the mailing list.
[18:14] <mikey_w> Moan.
[18:14] <dmsuse> http://www.suntekstore.co.uk/goods.php?id=14002457&utm_source=gbuk
[18:14] <oldtopman> "Everyone on the list will get an email by <date>"
[18:15] <oldtopman> No email, so order an RS one, later, "here's your raspi!"
[18:15] * oldtopman has too many raspis
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, that's a 1-wire bus unit. It will work on the Pi, but you'll need to use the GPIO 1-wire driver - experimental in the newer kernels for it.
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> I don't think you can bit-bang 1-wire on the pi (which you do on an Arduino) due to the timing constraints.
[18:16] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, by 1-wire you mean i2c?
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, no, i2c is 2-wire, 1-wire is ... 1-wire. (although it needs 2 or 3)
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[18:16] <dirty_d> hmm
[18:17] <three14_2> dirty_d, makes sense, huh?
[18:17] <dirty_d> lol
[18:17] <dmsuse> im lost
[18:17] <dirty_d> it just called 1-wire?
[18:17] <dirty_d> i thought the rpi only has i2c a nd spi serial
[18:17] <oldtopman> dirty_d: spi = "Single Pin Interface" sometimes refered to as 1-wire
[18:17] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: the w1 bit bang driver does work
[18:18] <dmsuse> k im getting it :p
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[18:19] * three14_2 is going to hit up Subway. :-]
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[18:21] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: your shift function is the same as mine, only more cleanly separated ;)
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[18:22] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: should be easy to wrap up, if a little time consuming, but the serial stuff is going to be really useful as it was my next challenge in Ruby to interface with this vga driver board
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, on a Pi? I thought the timings for 1-wire were pretty precise - which is why it's done at the kernel gpio level..
[18:24] * Gadget-Mac shrugs
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, I'd hate to take an interrupt in the middle of clocking it out...
[18:24] <Gadget-Mac> Don't see the point myself given the i2c interfaces available
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> part of the timing is to charge the internal capacitors, etc.
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, this is for temp. sensor - but if there are i2c sensors, then ....
[18:25] * Gadget-Mac is well aware of 1-wire :)
[18:25] <Gadget-Mac> see: http://raspberrypi.homelabs.org.uk/i2c-connected-1-wire-masters/
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> oh, you mean an i2c controller to drive 1W...
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[18:26] <Gadget-Mac> forum post about 1W on gpio http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=6649
[18:27] <Gadget-Mac> sorry W1 ;)
[18:27] <yggdrasil> whats up
[18:27] <yggdrasil> gordonDrogon: how you doing today
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, yes, seen that. was about to dive in some time back on it, but got distracted.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> yggdrasil, doing fine. tired. made lunch for 24 people today and they all enjoyed it by all accounts, but I had to get up at 6am to get the rolls...
[18:28] <Gadget-Mac> Probably great for 1-2 sensors, but past that go with an i2c bus master.
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[18:28] <Gadget-Mac> Hows the AVR project going ?
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> it's all done and dusted so to speak.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> however I can't publish any of my stuff just yet.
[18:29] * gordonDrogon sighs.
[18:29] <Gadget-Mac> boo his!
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> I might see if I can get to the Cambridge Raspberry Jam thing on the 14th with it all.
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[18:30] <gordonDrogon> I'll re-do my ladder game for it :)
[18:30] <Gadget-Mac> :)
[18:30] <dmsuse> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/temperature-sensor/6687313/ how come some have 4 pins, some have 3
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[18:31] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, tat's an i2c one - that needs 2 IO pins plus power & ground.
[18:31] <dmsuse> is that a better 1 to get?
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, the analogue one just has power + ground + analogue out
[18:32] <yggdrasil> gordonDrogon: you do cooking for a profession?
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, and the 1-wire ones have data and ground and optionally power.
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> yggdrasil, it's a hobby, but I can get paid for it :)
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> yggdrasil, http://moorbakes.co.uk/
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[18:33] <dmsuse> the last one was like 4 quid each.. this one is onlu 80p
[18:33] <dmsuse> *only
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> yggdrasil, my kitchen is inspected & checked by the local autority and I have the various food saftey/hygein certs... (even if I can't speel it)
[18:33] <yggdrasil> gordonDrogon: i used to be a chef.
[18:33] <yggdrasil> went to school and all.
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> yggdrasil, ah right! I'm just a bumbling amature :)
[18:34] <yggdrasil> well baking is good like that'
[18:34] <yggdrasil> i bake occasionally now
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> yggdrasil, but people keep coming back and asking for more, so I must be doing something right :)
[18:34] <yggdrasil> pizza and loafs
[18:34] <yggdrasil> yea baking is a good deal
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> I have a sourdough starter going - I like to make bread too.
[18:34] <yggdrasil> yea
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough.jpg
[18:35] <yggdrasil> ive been working on my italian country bread lately
[18:35] <yggdrasil> hard to get the bubbles just the way i want.
[18:35] <yggdrasil> oh yea thta looks legit
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> I've made a few nice pans of foccacia - I used commercial yeast though.
[18:36] <yggdrasil> is that yoru raspi case?
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> bread case :)
[18:36] <yggdrasil> hehe
[18:36] <yggdrasil> cracker case might be nice :)
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> I had to buy rolls for todays lunch - I just can't make 30 rolls quickly enough...
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> if it's an evening buffet and just one loaf needed then i'll make it myself.
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> I did an afternoon tea for 100 people a few weeks ago - 240 slices of bread....
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> Freezing sourdough balls can work well
[18:39] <yggdrasil> yea thats a lot of dough.
[18:39] <yggdrasil> to seed.
[18:39] <yggdrasil> gordonDrogon: theresa book called boulangerie moderne
[18:39] <yggdrasil> its an older book but its really awesome
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> http://www.amazon.co.uk/La-boulangerie-moderne-Raymond-Calvel/dp/B001OS2Y56 currently unavalable.
[18:40] <yggdrasil> yea its rare
[18:40] <yggdrasil> i have a copy.
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> what I can't do is slice bread eithe - well I can, but not into dainty slices needed for posh sandwiches.
[18:41] <yggdrasil> what kind of knife you got ?
[18:41] <dmsuse> is there an i2c voltage sensor?
[18:41] <yggdrasil> bread slicer machines work great.
[18:42] <yggdrasil> but you need a really sharp chef knife, the serated ones tend to pull to one side makign your slices whacky
[18:42] <dirty_d> dmsuse, you wnat an i2c adc
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=7640490339&searchurl=tn%3Dboulangerie%2Bmoderne
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> Yea, I have good knives - I still would not want to slice a loaf into thin slices though - especially not 17 loaves!
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[18:43] <gordonDrogon> looks like it's in french too...
[18:43] <yggdrasil> yea you read french dont you ?
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[18:43] <dmsuse> dirty_d: are they all the same?
[18:43] <yggdrasil> its easy, you just ad ne pas to anything
[18:43] <dirty_d> dmsuse, no
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> :-)
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[18:44] <dirty_d> resolution and sampling frequency are the main variables
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[18:44] <dmsuse> dirty_d: whats a good 1 to get?
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> I'm Scottish, did fench at school and promptly forgot almost everything about it. Every time I've visited france I've had a pretty bad experience. I will never go there again in my life.
[18:45] <dmsuse> isnt there a kit that is sold anywhere with all this stuff in. would be soo much easier for me :P
[18:45] <dirty_d> dmsuse, no idea, ive only used the ones built into an avr
[18:45] <buzzkill> gordonDrogon: you do not type with a Scottish accent.
[18:45] <dirty_d> dmsuse, sparkfun.com i think
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> See you jimmy?
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[18:46] <gordonDrogon> Och aye the noo... (etc)
[18:46] <yggdrasil> gordonDrogon: youll get it if it relates to bread, and you are interested in bread .
[18:46] <yggdrasil> my frech is pretty poor as well but i read the book
[18:46] <PReDiToR> France is ace. My sister in law has a couple of gits halfway up the Pyrenees. Lovely there this time of year. The locals are all nice enough too.
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[18:46] <yggdrasil> especially when it talks about hydration ratios for types of bread
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[18:47] <gordonDrogon> yggdrasil, technical bread - I just mix it until it feels right!
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[18:48] <dirty_d> dmsuse, http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8636
[18:48] <dirty_d> maybe that
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> that's what's on the Gerboard.
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> it's SPI not I2C - yet another interface ;-)
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[18:54] <dirty_d> yup
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[18:54] <yggdrasil> gordonDrogon: haha yea thats a good way
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[19:03] <dmsuse> :o
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[19:11] <thealphanerd> eyyo
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[19:11] <thealphanerd> has there been any word on when people will be able to start ordering again?
[19:12] <thealphanerd> Originally they mentioned that htey would be available to the public
[19:13] <yggdrasil> i hope they fix thier usb power issue
[19:15] <djuggler> what's the usb power issue?
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[19:18] <yggdrasil> poor choice of fuses and caps on the usb port
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[19:19] <thealphanerd> yggdrasil: isn't usb the only way to power it?
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[19:21] <moegreen> hey guys..so i got my rasperry all working and i can ssh into. My main purpose in buying the pi was for NAS. But when i ftp files to it (big files) the kernel panics and locks up. I read online that the pi requires a FW update, but i dont see this FW section even on the raspberry pi homepage..Has anyone else done this?
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[19:21] <mpthompson> I've been needing to sort through the USB power issues on my Raspberry Pi for weeks now. I believe it involves measuring voltages and such on some test points. Can someone pass me a link to a web page that best describes how work through USB power issues?
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[19:22] <yggdrasil> i dont think there is a firmware on this thing
[19:22] <PReDiToR> moegreen - you're looking for rpi-update from http://hexxeh.net
[19:23] <moegreen> awesome thx!
[19:23] <PReDiToR> moegreen - YW
[19:24] <Holden> mpthompson, have you seen this already? http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
[19:24] <mjr> it's just not a very good NAS
[19:24] <mpthompson> Holden: Thanks for the link. I'll follow the instructions and see where that leads me.
[19:25] <Holden> mpthompson, you're welcome, I also have this http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#Power_Supply_Problems in my links
[19:25] <PReDiToR> I'd just like to be able to run my EW-7811Un with the thing. I've edited out smp_lock.h from all the source but still getting errors.
[19:26] <mpthompson> Holden: thanks again.
[19:27] <Holden> (I still believe a solution would be to short the polyfuses on the usb ports just to be able to go up to, say, 300mA... but I haven't tried that myself)
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[19:27] <dirty_d> PReDiToR, why edit that out?
[19:28] <reider59> Have you tried this script? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256 for the Edimax 7811Un
[19:29] <PReDiToR> reider59 - No, the link 404's
[19:29] <reider59> works perfectly here
[19:29] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - the correct file (it seems) is linux/smp.h not linux/smp_lock.h
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[19:30] <dirty_d> PReDiToR, oh, where is the source?
[19:30] <PReDiToR> reider59 - the dropbox link 404's I meant.
[19:30] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - Downloaded from Edimax
[19:31] <reider59> What Distro? I`m using the Debian Wheezy beta
[19:31] <PReDiToR> reider59 - I did find a copy somewhere and ripped the salient parts out, but I'm missing the firmware files that it wanted to install. I use Arch.
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[19:31] <reider59> mmm Arch may be a problem
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[19:32] <PReDiToR> reider59 - I can guarantee that Arch isn't the problem. Edimax and Realtek might be the problem though.
[19:33] <reider59> Might be the problem with his script as he tailored it for Debian Squeeze and Wheezy
[19:33] <PReDiToR> reider59 - As I said, I ripped the parts out of it that I needed but I'm still missing the firmware
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[19:34] <reider59> That`s as maybe, it didn`t work. Had he made it to cover Arch as well as the other two it may have worked, so that did present a problem
[19:35] <PReDiToR> reider59 - Yeah.
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[19:36] <reider59> You could try posting in his thread, if you haven`t done already. See if he can help.....
[19:36] <PReDiToR> reider59 - I shall consider that option. Thanks.
[19:39] <yggdrasil> wait so doe s the pi have a firmware ?
[19:39] <yggdrasil> or is it just a part of the operating ystem?
[19:40] <mjr> the GPU has proprietary firmware loaded from the SD at boot
[19:40] <mjr> presumably some trivial loader also internally
[19:40] <yggdrasil> hmm
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[19:40] <yggdrasil> i see, thats whats on the bootloader partition
[19:40] <mjr> along with the linux kernel, yeah
[19:40] <yggdrasil> right
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[19:45] <dirty_d> PReDiToR, i think theres some kinda mistake in the code
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[19:45] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - There is. Two of them. I'm just not a good enough programmer to know how to fix them.
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[19:47] <IT_Sean> Just keep staring at it until the code has no meaning anymore.
[19:47] <IT_Sean> That's what i do when i'm in that situation.
[19:47] <IT_Sean> It doesn't solve anything, of course, but, it's a great way to rack up billable hours. :p
[19:47] <PReDiToR> IT_Sean - Sage advice. If only I could bill myself.
[19:48] <dirty_d> PReDiToR, i think that code is very outdated
[19:48] <dirty_d> i actuyally already have that driver
[19:49] <dirty_d> r8192u_usb
[19:49] <dirty_d> right?
[19:49] <dirty_d> im on my PC now though
[19:49] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - The kernel driver (in the git sources) is rtl8192cu
[19:49] <dirty_d> i have that also
[19:49] <dirty_d> you dont?
[19:50] <Syliss> yay my lapdock came
[19:50] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - Compiled, loaded, supporting modules all up and running ... ifconfig wlan0 up ... No interface.
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[19:51] <dirty_d> PReDiToR, try loading the others for the hell of it?
[19:51] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - "the others" ?
[19:52] <dirty_d> rtl8192de, rtl8192se, rtl8192c-common, rtl8192ce, r8192u_usb
[19:52] <dirty_d> i have all those
[19:52] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - I did try the .ko from the site, that has issues with symbols (wrong kernel I assume)
[19:52] <dirty_d> but the one from the site is older sint it?
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[19:53] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - I'll give them a try. It will take me a few.
[19:54] <Syliss> lol my lap dock came with a uk keyboard haha
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[19:56] <dirty_d> PReDiToR, looks like theres a newer one, http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=274&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#2772
[19:57] <dirty_d> realtek sucks
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[19:59] <dirty_d> PReDiToR, i just downloaded that one, it compiled successfully
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[20:03] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - Thanks, I'll have a shot at it. I've just tried it in my EEE with stock Arch kernel and it works as intended.
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[20:29] <dirty_d> PReDiToR, youre plugging this thing into a hub right?
[20:30] <reider59> It works direct in the USB port
[20:30] <dirty_d> oh
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[20:35] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - No, but I haven't got a driver for it yet, power isn't an issuse ATM. I will take reider59's word for it that the consumption won't blow a fuse though, thanks.
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[20:36] <reider59> Works direct in the USB port on both debian Squeeze and Wheezy
[20:36] <PReDiToR> reider59 - I expect it will be fine under Arch then. TY.
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[20:37] <reider59> Unless of course you plug a power hungry keyboard/mouse USB receiver in to the 2nd port that is
[20:37] <PReDiToR> reider59 - I thought the ports were individually fused?
[20:38] <reider59> They are but covering the odds.
[20:38] <reider59> Nobody reported a problem in that thread so far
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[20:40] <reider59> One of the main reasons I bought it was because I found it worked direct in the port. Mine will eventually go on a motorised buggy with an Arduino board, the Pi, battery source, cam and a robotic arm + the WiFi
[20:41] <PReDiToR> reider59 - So you're making a WiFi controlled beer-fetcher?
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[20:41] <reider59> woo hoo fun for the boys. noooo gave up beer long ago
[20:41] <PReDiToR> reider59 - Never too late to change your mind. There are some nice homebrews out there.
[20:42] <reider59> I did th ehomebrew for a long long time, enjoyable experience. I was told to cut down drinking and I stopped instead. I can have one but chose not to in the last 11 years
[20:44] <dirty_d> i have beer for blood
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[20:45] <PReDiToR> It's all about personal choice. I drive all the time so I know about not having the first one. A day is either a beer day or a non-beer day. Today is a beer day so I might take the dog for a walk before wife gets home =)
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[20:46] <Jimmy06> Hey guys just recived my Pi plugged in the composite and its unreadable any tips to fix this ?
[20:46] <dmsuse> ssh into it and change the config file
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[20:46] <Jimmy06> have to plug a RJ45 into it then but thanks lol
[20:47] <yggdrasil> Jimmy06: do you have an sdcard in it ?
[20:47] <Xark> Jimmy06: Depends on the TV (fairly readable on mine). You can use "setfont" to change fonts, adjust the overscan and resolution in config.txt
[20:47] <yggdrasil> oh unreadable i see.
[20:47] <yggdrasil> nevermind.
[20:47] <yggdrasil> yea mines pretty bad over composite.
[20:47] <yggdrasil> bbl
[20:47] <Jimmy06> Huh its fixed now i walked back in there
[20:48] <Xark> Jimmy06: Wow, thought commands working on your Pi already, I'm impressed. :)
[20:48] <dirty_d> PReDiToR, "take the dog for a walk before wife gets home" is that some kinda dirty thing?
[20:48] <PReDiToR> Jimmy06 - We did that from here. No charge.
[20:48] <dirty_d> lol
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[20:48] <Jimmy06> ill reboot it bet its crap again :P
[20:48] * fiftyonefifty is now known as fiftyonefiftyAFK
[20:49] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - This dog is my excuse to escape to the pub. She loves the attention and I love the beer.
[20:49] <Xark> Jimmy06: So maybe it is a cable/TV issue?
[20:49] <dirty_d> ahh
[20:49] <Jimmy06> the text looks cutup when its booting
[20:49] <Jimmy06> and the logo isnt really a raspberry lol
[20:49] <dirty_d> i havent brewed beer in a long time
[20:49] <Xark> Jimmy06: Hmm, that doesn't sound normal...
[20:49] <PReDiToR> Jimmy06 - Once the GUI comes up it is OK then?
[20:49] <dirty_d> i had a 15gal setup
[20:50] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - In these times of austerity we must do all we can to help our friends save money.
[20:50] <Jimmy06> cli
[20:50] <dirty_d> $300 total maybe
[20:50] <dirty_d> cheap steel from a scrapyard and illegal kegs, lol
[20:50] <dirty_d> and lots of welding
[20:51] <dmsuse> illegal?
[20:51] <dirty_d> dmsuse, they were probably stolen
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[20:51] <dmsuse> you mean found :P
[20:51] <PReDiToR> "probably" == "allegedly" your Honour.
[20:51] <dmsuse> but cool, brew me some :D
[20:51] <dirty_d> well my buddy bought them, but i dunno where the seller got them
[20:52] <dmsuse> chop them in half and sell them to artards, you will make a fortune :D
[20:52] <dirty_d> what do they do with them?
[20:52] <PReDiToR> art
[20:52] <dmsuse> put plants in them
[20:52] <dmsuse> or some rubbish
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[20:52] <dirty_d> oh
[20:52] <dmsuse> but they pay like 80 quid or more
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[20:53] <PReDiToR> Is that a vertical or a horizontal cut?
[20:53] <Jimmy06> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/17606346/IMG-20120628-00052.jpg
[20:53] <dirty_d> someone bought the brewstand for $250
[20:53] <Jimmy06> there
[20:53] <dmsuse> hori
[20:54] <Jimmy06> its sitting on the lgoin now and its still like it
[20:54] <dmsuse> Jimmy06: yeah try changing the config file
[20:54] <Jimmy06> ok
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[20:56] <dmsuse> Jimmy06: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[20:56] <Xark> Jimmy06: Interesting. Looks like your TV is having trouble with the interlaced video (showing the fields out of order...).
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[20:57] <Jimmy06> thanks
[20:58] <dirty_d> great, the army is making a lightning gun...
[20:58] <dmsuse> a tazer?
[20:58] <PReDiToR> dirty_d - Tesla coil tower
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[20:58] * PiBot sets mode +v plugwash
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[20:59] <dirty_d> PReDiToR, nah, it uses a laser pulse to create a conductive ionized channel of air to the target
[20:59] <chaoshax> Test 1 compete: Put the raspberry pi on a metal surface when powered on.
[20:59] <chaoshax> I guess they spray a coating to make it non conductive?
[20:59] <chaoshax> Or how did mine survive?
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> luck
[20:59] <dmsuse> lol
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[21:00] <chaoshax> Na I bet they put something on it
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[21:01] <gordonDrogon> no, really. you were luck.
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[21:02] <gordonDrogon> what probably saved you is the SD card socket and the big pins holding the USB sockets in-place.
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> now try it on some aluminium foil ...
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> although I don't recomend it at all.
[21:03] <reider59> or in the microwave .....snicker
[21:03] <Xark> A nice fluffy bed of steel wool should work nicely. :)
[21:03] <dmsuse> anyone done a "does it blend" yet?
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> I don't fancy ruining my blender.
[21:03] <IT_Sean> The will it blend guy is a [censored]
[21:03] <Xark> dmsuse: I have only seen "virtual blends" of Raspberry Pi smoothies. :)
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> he's also the company MD.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> We have a Vitamix which is supposed to be better than the blendtec ones...
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[21:05] <gordonDrogon> the techbology is similar AUIU.
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> however it's stupidly fast on turbo mode...
[21:05] <dj_hamsta> so i installed http://www.raspbmc.com/ and i dont get a graphical interface
[21:05] <dj_hamsta> its just root..
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[21:06] <reider59> I bought a cheap mixer with about 5 speeds and even the slowest covers me in whatever is being mixed lol. I`ll have to get one of those plastic lids you can pass the mixer whisks through
[21:07] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, OK, I was just expecting them to do it as it's for kids.
[21:07] <chaoshax> But anyhow, at least it's OK
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[21:09] <Jimmy06> cant SSH to it says connection refused
[21:09] <Xark> Jimmy06: I don't think sshd is running by default...
[21:09] <Jimmy06> epic
[21:09] <PReDiToR> I read something about duct tape being electrically conductive and I find it hard to believe that.
[21:09] <Jimmy06> lol
[21:09] <ReggieUK> what command are you using to ssh?
[21:09] <Jimmy06> putty
[21:10] <plugwash> yeah a flat hard conductive surface is probablly ok because the things that the Pi ends up sitting on are either nonconductive or grounds but a squishy or uneven conductive surface would be bad
[21:10] <plugwash> oops sorry was scrolled up, didn't see the conversation had moved on
[21:11] <chaoshax> Did anyone get hit by the tornado?
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[21:11] <PReDiToR> No, but I got buzzed by a Harrier
[21:12] <three14_2> a guy on a moped nearly hit me today on the way back from Subway.
[21:12] <Thorn_> i did, but you get excellent wireless reception up in these clouds!
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[21:13] <Jimmy06> so now i need to work out how to enable SSH with no screen or K/M lol
[21:13] <chaoshax> PReDiToR, I got buzzed the other day, two in formation
[21:13] <IT_Sean> No screen, and no keyboard or mouse?
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> reider59, we have lots of kitchen toys .... the vitamix was stupidly expensive but that was my wifes choice, not mine!
[21:13] <reider59> Got to laugh. I have to go to an ground floor car park in a shopping mall to fetch my electric buggy. I hate the lift I have to drive it into to get back to the Mall. I wait til I get the lift to myself which sometimes takes a while. then when I return and press the button I get buzzed by a shuge static shock, this happens often. Then the door closes just as I`m approaching the lift, so this time I get the button with my w
[21:13] <dmsuse> why are you even trying to use a pi without a keyboard or mouse lol
[21:14] <chaoshax> ssh..
[21:14] <reider59> en and I ram them just as they try to close again. I hate that lift so much, wish I could blow it up!!!
[21:14] * Xark sees tech2077's RPi HD44780 LCD project did make it to HackADay. :) http://hackaday.com/2012/06/28/using-an-hd44780-character-lcd-with-the-raspberry-pi/
[21:14] <Ben64> i use my pi without kb or mouse
[21:14] <Jimmy06> chaoshax, did you even read before ?
[21:14] <Thorn_> i use my pi without kgb or mouse
[21:14] <reider59> I may one day find a way to get the buggy up and down the escalator lol
[21:14] <dmsuse> but those using ssh are not also trying to get a tv working on it..
[21:14] <Thorn_> kgb were not interested.
[21:15] <chaoshax> Jimmy06, Yes I was replying to dmsuse
[21:15] <Ben64> i have a tv working on it
[21:15] <PReDiToR> I use my RasPi headless, no KVM needed.
[21:15] <Xark> Thorn_: They just *want* you to think that. :)
[21:15] <dmsuse> Ben64: fine u win :P
[21:15] <chaoshax> A lot of people will use it headless.
[21:15] <Ben64> its my media player
[21:15] <Ben64> ssh in with phone, play stuff from couch
[21:16] <chaoshax> Ssh is nasty on phones.
[21:16] <dmsuse> would be so cool to have siri on the rpi
[21:16] <PReDiToR> my iPhone has a nice client
[21:16] <Ben64> connectbot on android works great
[21:16] <IT_Sean> !w
[21:16] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton Township, NJ on Thu Jun 28 21:53:00 2012. Temp 88??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 32%, Later 86??F - 68??F. Condition: Clear.
[21:16] <Xark> I have an HDMI monitor (well, cheap TV), but it is only to see the OpenGL output (ssh for programming).
[21:17] <IT_Sean> whorfffh. It's too bloody hot here.
[21:17] * Xark maximizes the window to let some breezes in...
[21:18] * IT_Sean minimizes the window to keep the air conditioning in
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[21:19] <mikey_w> It should be a nice 102F here tomorrow.
[21:20] <mikey_w> Richmond, Va.
[21:20] <dmsuse> !weather retford
[21:20] <PiBot> dmsuse: in Retford, Nottinghamshire. Temp 73??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 83%, Later 77??F - 55??F. Condition: Thunderstorm.
[21:20] <PReDiToR> !w
[21:21] <PReDiToR> !weather
[21:21] <PReDiToR> !weather york
[21:21] <PiBot> PReDiToR: in York, York. Temp 74??F. Condition: Cloudy, Humidity: 68%, Later 75??F - 54??F. Condition: Thunderstorm.
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[21:21] <PReDiToR> Lies. No thunder here.
[21:21] <reider59> !w
[21:22] <dmsuse> PReDiToR: i think that is showing york uk :P
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[21:22] <PReDiToR> dmsuse - I would hope so, that's where I am.
[21:22] <reider59> !weather
[21:23] <dmsuse> good good :P
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[21:24] <gordonDrogon> Looks like I missed the good thunderstorms today.
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[21:26] <mikey_w> Had a t-storm on Monday with 80 MPH winds. A lot of tree damage.
[21:26] <IT_Sean> I haven't seen a really good thunderstorm in ages.
[21:26] <IT_Sean> :(
[21:26] <mikey_w> Lost power for 4 hours.
[21:27] <dmsuse> mikey_w: where are you?
[21:27] <mikey_w> Richmond, VA.
[21:27] <dmsuse> ah
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[21:30] <gordonDrogon> We had thunder last night - woke me.
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> but it seems middle england had quite a show earlier today.
[21:30] <IT_Sean> :(
[21:30] <IT_Sean> I wish we could get a really good thunderstorm here.
[21:31] <IT_Sean> I like a really good one. The sort that seem like the end of the world. The really good ones. I like those.
[21:31] <mikey_w> lol
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[21:31] <IT_Sean> I do!
[21:32] <mikey_w> IT_Sean, you really need a 7.2 earthquake too.
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> Heh. I have the ladder game going on 2 Pi's now :)
[21:32] <ReggieUK> http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/SkyAndStuff/?action=view&current=IMG_1131.jpg
[21:32] <ReggieUK> last decent storm I saw
[21:32] <IT_Sean> No, earhtquakes i cna do without.
[21:33] <ReggieUK> I got to stand and watch it for 45mins before a single drop of rain fell, lightning coming from 270degrees
[21:33] <ReggieUK> really strange
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[21:34] <ReggieUK> another shot from the same storm
[21:34] <ReggieUK> http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/SkyAndStuff/?action=view&current=IMG_1075A.jpg
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> not bad.
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[21:35] <IT_Sean> Wow.
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> http://drogon.net/gordon/images2/light1.jpg
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> One day I'll re-scan that. about 20 years ago...
[21:35] <IT_Sean> Do you have a really high res of the 2nd one, ReggieUK? It'd make a badass wallpaper.
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> over Bristol.
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[21:36] <ReggieUK> is 4272x2848 not big enough for you then IT_Sean?
[21:36] <IT_Sean> Ahh, i didn't see that there was a way to embiggify
[21:36] <ReggieUK> http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/SkyAndStuff/IMG_1075A.jpg
[21:37] <ReggieUK> that's a nice shot gordonDrogon
[21:37] <mikey_w> nice
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[21:37] <ReggieUK> I did mine by setting the camera to 30s exposures, 10 at a time
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, that's what I was doing.
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[21:38] <gordonDrogon> I scanned the print using one of those hand-held scanner things that had wheels and connected to the parallel port (I think). Them were the days :)
[21:38] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: I'm going to use that for the wallpaper on the chromebook, if you don't mind. It's a great shot.
[21:38] <ReggieUK> go for it dude :)
[21:38] <IT_Sean> :)
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> I have the negative store, so might dig-out the old slide scanner and try again...
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[21:43] <Jimmy06> so how do i get this to start
[21:44] <Jimmy06> ssh on boot
[21:44] <Jimmy06> says default runlevel 2 3 4 5
[21:44] <Jimmy06> and clearly where in runleve 2
[21:45] <markbook> which distro?
[21:45] <dmsuse> sudo update-rc.d ssh defaults
[21:45] <Jimmy06> slack
[21:45] <markbook> oh there you go.
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[21:46] <Jimmy06> thanks
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[21:46] <Jimmy06> never used slack before :)
[21:46] <dmsuse> same
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[21:47] <markbook> I did. but the last version I used was 1.0
[21:49] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, I think I've got the raws for mine knockign around somewhere
[21:49] <ReggieUK> http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg85/SkyAndStuff/?action=view&current=Movie_00_Storm3-1.mp4
[21:50] <ReggieUK> not that good cos it was made from the jpgs
[21:50] <ReggieUK> so it's a bit blown out in places
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[21:53] <PReDiToR> Damnit. Compile crashed out again. RTL8188C_8192C_8192D_USB_linux_v3.4.2_3727.20120404/driver/rtl8188C_8192C_8192D_usb_linux_v3.4.2_3727.20120404/os_dep/linux/os_intfs.c:767:9: error: ?struct net_device? has no member named ?wireless_handlers?
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[21:57] <maicod> wondering this: since the hdmi connection transfers video+audio you can't split that audio to some speakers or so. Is it easy to make the Pi play the video over hdmi and the audio over the RCA out ?
[21:58] <Jimmy06> why does that read like a stupid question ?
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[21:58] <maicod> jimmy06: explain
[21:58] <maicod> cause most hdmi monitors don't have audio or bad audio
[21:59] <PReDiToR> maicod - One wonders why you woulnd't plug speakers/amp into the audio out 3.5mm?
[21:59] <maicod> so I want to play the sound over RCA
[21:59] <Jimmy06> ^^^
[21:59] <markbook> you can always turn the HDMI audio output down/off and pull audio from the RCA
[21:59] <maicod> thats exactly what I said !
[21:59] <IT_Sean> maicod: the headphone audio port is really low quality, you do know that, right?
[21:59] <markbook> you don't have to switch it.
[21:59] <IT_Sean> The RCA connection is video only.
[21:59] <maicod> did I say headphone ??
[21:59] <maicod> nooooooo
[21:59] <maicod> the RCA audio connector
[21:59] <maicod> on the Pi
[21:59] <maicod> or isnt that called RCA
[21:59] <Jimmy06> only outputs Video
[21:59] <maicod> I meant that !
[21:59] <three14_2> that's video
[21:59] <IT_Sean> There is no RCA audio on the Pi.
[21:59] <markbook> or right, that's composite vid.
[21:59] <maicod> I mean the audio connector on the Pi
[21:59] <maicod> what ever its called
[22:00] <Jimmy06> 3.5 jack
[22:00] <maicod> the black one
[22:00] <Jimmy06> like you was told
[22:00] <maicod> yeah
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[22:00] <PReDiToR> maicod - the 3.5mm socket for audio out?
[22:00] <maicod> I meant that !!!!
[22:00] <IT_Sean> There are two audio outputs, maicod, the headphone port, and the HDMI.
[22:00] <three14_2> you can split the 3.5mm audio jack into two rca connections for audio using nothing but a $1 cable
[22:00] <Jimmy06> exactly stupid question xD
[22:00] <maicod> in my first question I said it myself
[22:00] <maicod> not
[22:00] <markbook> 1/8" stereo micro jack. You don't have to "switch" it, its output all the time I think.
[22:00] <maicod> its just my wrong naming
[22:00] <maicod> of the socket
[22:00] <maicod> oh OK
[22:00] <markbook> well unless you have a mixer going.
[22:00] <PReDiToR> Jimmy06 - Let's try and be constructive, eh? There are no "stupid questions" =)
[22:01] <markbook> I think the mixer may be able to control both output volumes.
[22:01] <markbook> PReDiToR: HEAR HEAR!
[22:01] <IT_Sean> Jimmy06: there are no stupid questions. Stop being a jerk.
[22:01] <Jimmy06> im not being a jerk
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[22:01] <markbook> hehe
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[22:01] <Jimmy06> was just saying it sounded like one :(
[22:01] * three14_2 puts on his sunglasses.
[22:02] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: why do you get to have all the fun!?
[22:02] <PReDiToR> PROTIP - when being told off by someone with an @ - never argue.
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[22:02] <markbook> There are ways to phrase: "I think there's something one of us doesn't understand" that aren't pejorative.
[22:02] <Jimmy06> i wasnt arguing either :S
[22:02] <ReggieUK> even a statement with 'that doesn't sound logical' would've done
[22:02] <three14_2> now you are. lol
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[22:02] <markbook> no matter. Nothing to see here, move along and enjoy the pi...
[22:03] <three14_2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
[22:03] <maicod> although its answered my initial question was valid and not stupid: I just had named the connector wrongly. RCA audio out instead of 3.5mm out
[22:03] <PReDiToR> don't tell me, that was just the automatic gainsaying of something the other person said - which isn't a proper argument?
[22:03] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, I only prepared the boots, they're one size fits all
[22:03] <Jimmy06> we'll sorry about that i just said it how i see it xxxx it wasnt intended to offend and the word logcal didnt come to mind :)
[22:04] <maicod> ok accepted. jimmy bear in mind I'm not an english native too
[22:04] <PReDiToR> So we're all friends again and the boots are still unsoiled.
[22:04] <IT_Sean> maicod: if you can, its probably best to use the HDMI audio, if you can, the quality of the headphone jack thinger is what a lot of people might call "rubbish"
[22:04] <maicod> I have to name all things in english
[22:04] <maicod> oh that sucks :(
[22:04] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[22:04] <three14_2> maicod, wow. i read that as you referring to him as Jimmy Bear. I need new contacts.
[22:04] <maicod> it_sean: I'm looking to buy a monitor with hdmi and audio speakers
[22:04] <maicod> but those speakers suck too
[22:04] <Jimmy06> lol
[22:05] <PReDiToR> Cheap HDMI TV.
[22:05] <maicod> how can I listen to higher quality output :(
[22:05] <IT_Sean> An HDMI TV will use the HDMI audio.
[22:05] <ReggieUK> buy an ipod
[22:05] <maicod> haha
[22:05] <maicod> I mean for XMBC etc !
[22:05] <ReggieUK> sorry, I couldn't resist :D
[22:05] <maicod> XBMC
[22:05] <Jimmy06> plug in into a decent surround sound blueray player first
[22:05] <PReDiToR> Apple fanboi!
[22:05] <ReggieUK> I hate apple
[22:05] <maicod> no appel hater
[22:05] <maicod> apple
[22:06] <IT_Sean> Do NOT turn this into an Apple hate fest. One of the channel staffers is a Mac user.
[22:06] <plugwash> if you want to extract decent quality audio from a HDMI signal and route it elsewhere then a home cinema receiver is probablly the tool for the job, kinda expensive though
[22:06] <maicod> I mean any kind of video player environment
[22:06] <maicod> yeah
[22:06] <PReDiToR> Only one?
[22:06] <ReggieUK> but if I said creative zen you'd all laugh at me for quoting a 7yr old mp3 player
[22:06] <maicod> so the best is to go with a monitor that has a headphone out ?
[22:06] <maicod> hdmi and headphone out
[22:06] <IT_Sean> Well, at least one of them, anyway.
[22:06] <Jimmy06> i got one if them here
[22:06] <maicod> cause built in speakers are bad in monitors
[22:06] <Jimmy06> actually its older
[22:06] <Jimmy06> Creative NOMAD MuVo
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[22:07] <ReggieUK> I got my zen before ipods even existed
[22:07] <PReDiToR> I have a Mk I MuVo, 64MB - in fact two of them.
[22:07] * maicod is the opposite of an apple fan :)
[22:07] <IT_Sean> My first MP3 player was a Rio500. It took SmartMedia. ... ...
[22:07] <Mike632T> OK I'm not being very successful with google - does RS (or someone else in the UK who accepts telephone orders) stock the female-mail jumber leads I need to break out conenctions from my Pi to a breadboard..?
[22:07] <Jimmy06> yeah mk2 here i think 4GB lol
[22:08] <_inc> anyone here heard of an "ITIL Process"?
[22:08] <maicod> so using a Pi as a movie/media player is not so succesfull because of the bad audio?
[22:08] <Mike632T> I just wish they held more and were thinner - using a AAA battery is great
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> Mike632T, skpang
[22:08] <ReggieUK> http://proto-pic.co.uk/search.php?search_query=jumper&x=0&y=0
[22:08] <markbook> ITIL is a sysadmin process spec
[22:08] <Mike632T> gordonDrogon: paypay only :-(
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> Mike632T, http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-premium-150mm-mf-pack-of-10-p-909.html
[22:08] <markbook> or process development spec since every shop is different.
[22:08] <_inc> I'm a grad looking for a job and never heard of it
[22:08] <Mike632T> s/paypay/paypal/
[22:08] <markbook> Lots of people haven't
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> Mike632T, you want paypal only? skpang takes credit/debit cards...
[22:09] <_inc> markbook: anything I ought to learn?
[22:09] <Mike632T> Those that have sometimes wish they hadn't too
[22:09] <PReDiToR> Paypal are evil.
[22:09] <markbook> The best thing is to learn the spec for best practices and find a place that works to them without getting certified.
[22:09] <ReggieUK> proto-pic do paypal or cards
[22:09] <markbook> avoid certified work if you can?
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> yea, I've just tried to ge some nes controllers off ebay and the seller won't do bank transfer. idiot. he'd get more money that way.
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[22:09] <_inc> markbook: its an NHS position
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[22:09] <PReDiToR> avoid work, if you can.
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[22:10] <markbook> ITIL is a great concept which is almost universally misapplied.
[22:10] <markbook> like ISO9000 and PIC
[22:10] <_inc> hmmm
[22:10] <markbook> and SOX in the US.
[22:10] <_inc> i'll send them a CV and see how it goes
[22:10] <Mike632T> gordonDrogon: Don't like using credit card on line - actually have only done it once (to purchase my Pi)
[22:10] <markbook> If you HAVE to, I think you may be able to find some.
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[22:11] <markbook> It's something that you're not likely to have knowledge of and if they're looking at a grad student and saying "Must have ITIL knowledge" they know better.
[22:11] <markbook> be open to learning a process, because that's what it is.
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> Mike632T, up to you - I hate paypal, always use credit cards online - but only from shops I trust. skpang are fine for me, i've bought lots from them and they have what you need, so ...
[22:11] <PReDiToR> Mike632T - You're covered by most of them against fraud. Better than Paypal stealing all your interest and freezing your account because you didn't give someone enough gold plating on the piece of used bogroll they bought for a penny.
[22:11] <markbook> lots of the ITIL specs may be private pay docs
[22:11] <ReggieUK> but buying with paypal is a breeze and they don't freeze your accunt
[22:12] <ReggieUK> account*
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[22:12] <Mike632T> PReDiToR: I don't use pay pal either
[22:12] <_inc> markbook: cheers mate
[22:12] <_inc> i'll give it a shot. this place is like 1 mile from home
[22:12] <ReggieUK> you can even disconnect from a card and just transfer funds into the paypal, so only ever have enough on there to pay for what you need
[22:12] <PReDiToR> ReggieUK - There are lots of stories (two from personal RW friends of mine) to the contrary. But weight of numbers says that it is OK for most people.
[22:13] <ReggieUK> I've never had an issue with them at all
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[22:13] <ReggieUK> nor anyone I know personally
[22:13] <plugwash> PReDiToR, credit card companies are known for screwing sellers to protect buyers, it's not just paypal who do it
[22:13] <ReggieUK> ordered from all over the place with it
[22:14] <PReDiToR> BitCoin was supposed to be the answer to all this, wasn't it?
[22:14] <ReggieUK> I find the whole payment method thing a bit like the OS wars
[22:15] <PReDiToR> and text editor
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[22:15] <plugwash> ahh bitcoin, where all transactions are final and NOONE can force a reversal of a transaction
[22:16] <ReggieUK> is bitcoin still going?
[22:16] <Jimmy06> of course
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[22:16] <plugwash> yeah bitcoin is still arround and indeed seems to be stabalising in value
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[22:20] <mervaka> dirty_d: not today. received a new graphics card, so been playing skyrim :>
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[22:21] <chaoshax> Still though it gets harder to make your own bitcoins.
[22:21] <dirty_d> mervaka, cool
[22:21] <chaoshax> But it's really truly anonymous.
[22:23] <maicod> I get now that the Pi's 3.5 mm audio is not a viable option for the audio during watching movies via the Pi. I read it sounds like an old radio :) and splitting hdmi to tv +audio amplifier is too costly. So the only option I'm thinking of is getting a TV/Monitor with HDMI and built-in speakers (often bad sound!) and a headphone out so I can hookup decent amplified speakers to that. Good idea ?
[22:23] <chaoshax> usb soundcard
[22:24] <maicod> ooooooooooooh !
[22:24] <maicod> I got one :P
[22:24] <plugwash> USB sound may also be an option
[22:24] <maicod> a cheap one though
[22:24] <dmsuse> make an amplifier?
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[22:24] <maicod> making amplifier ????
[22:25] <plugwash> dmsuse, the problem isn't an amplifier it's getting a good signal to feed to an amplifier
[22:25] <chaoshax> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-usb-20-external-usb-sound-card-gnulinux
[22:25] <maicod> I am not bad at electronics but thats a little too much for me :)
[22:25] <dmsuse> uhhh okay...
[22:25] <plugwash> the analog output on the Pi sucks so one pretty much has to use either USB or HDMI to get decent sound out
[22:25] <mervaka> dirty_d: perhaps it could be that my power supply isnt quite man enough? its not that far over 4v from memory.
[22:26] <maicod> chaoshax: I got such a device but its low quality sound
[22:26] <Jimmy06> make a sound card for the GPIO :D
[22:26] <maicod> :)
[22:26] <dirty_d> mervaka, i dunno, i doubt it
[22:27] <maicod> but otherwise using the headphone out on a monitor with audio builtin is an idea :)
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[22:27] <IT_Sean> The analog output on the Pi is crap. If you cannot use HDMI out, a USB sound card is probably your best bet.
[22:27] <chaoshax> maicod, Umm.
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[22:27] <dirty_d> IT_Sean, how crap?
[22:27] <ReggieUK> the other option for audio (which could be cheap as chips) would be to find a chip to connect to the i2s pins
[22:27] <IT_Sean> dirty_d: it's crap.
[22:28] <dirty_d> like very ver bad as in you definitely dont wanna listen to music with it?
[22:28] <plugwash> IIRC getting at the I2S is tricky as one of the needed signals isn't available on the IO header, I think it may be available elsewhere on the board but soldering would be needed in that case
[22:28] <Jimmy06> im gussing so bad you cant listen to music with it lol
[22:28] <chaoshax> It's not that bad..
[22:28] <Jimmy06> good lol
[22:28] <IT_Sean> you COULD use it to listen to music, but, i wouldn't recommend it. It uses PWM to generate the audio signal.
[22:28] <chaoshax> Tolerable.
[22:29] <ReggieUK> actually, I think you only need to worry about that missing one if you want to put audio into the pi
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[22:29] <Jimmy06> can the whats the easiest way to access the gui on the default install of debian ?
[22:29] <Jimmy06> vnc server ?
[22:30] <ReggieUK> pcm_clk and pcm_dout are on gpio18/19
[22:30] <ReggieUK> fs and din are missing
[22:30] <ReggieUK> but they're available elsewhere
[22:30] <dirty_d> whats fd?
[22:30] <dirty_d> fs?
[22:30] <chaoshax> Jimmy06, x forwarding
[22:31] <Jimmy06> tried that years ago was more tricky then VNC :P
[22:31] <dmsuse> why would you want X?
[22:31] <plugwash> fs is the frame sync signal, it tells the I2S device when a new frame is starting
[22:31] <dirty_d> oh
[22:31] <Jimmy06> maybe the guide i followed was bad lol
[22:32] <Jimmy06> because its my device i paid for and i wanna use it ?
[22:32] <Jimmy06> :P
[22:32] <ReggieUK> dirty_d, not sure
[22:32] <maicod> what I don't understand though is that people seem to use it as a media (video) player but then they need reasonable sound as well
[22:32] <ReggieUK> ahh
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[22:32] <chaoshax> maicod, HDMI is usually fine for these people
[22:32] <maicod> so how do these people do that?
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[22:32] <maicod> OK
[22:32] <ReggieUK> well, they can also be found on gpio 28-31
[22:32] <chaoshax> Think how many people you know who use TV speakers
[22:32] <dmsuse> Jimmy06: are you one of these that want it to run windows :P
[22:32] <maicod> chaoshax: but if your monitor has not audio builtin :P
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[22:32] <Jimmy06> not at all
[22:32] <ReggieUK> which are just tied high/low behind some pullups/downs
[22:32] <chaoshax> maicod, Why would you use a monitor for video?
[22:33] <maicod> eh ?
[22:33] <ReggieUK> and they're used for some kind of board id function
[22:33] <chaoshax> TV is more suited.
[22:33] <ReggieUK> which isn't used
[22:33] <maicod> OK
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[22:33] <maicod> and monitor with audio ?
[22:33] <dmsuse> Jimmy06: well yeah tightvnc would be the easiest
[22:33] <maicod> some have builtin audio
[22:33] <chaoshax> maicod, Yes but few.
[22:33] <dirty_d> hmm, i think the analog audio should be able to perform better, maybe the code just isnt ideal
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[22:33] * IT_Sean plonks his headset onto it's charging base, andgets ready to call it quits for the day
[22:33] * plugwash likes his LG M2762D
[22:33] <Jimmy06> thanks dmsuse :)
[22:33] <maicod> OK I get it
[22:33] <Jimmy06> thats was the method i was going to use anyway
[22:34] <dirty_d> i might try to write my own analog audio program to test it
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[22:37] <Jimmy06> am i right in thinking theres a redhat distro tha works with Pi
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[22:38] <Jimmy06> ah fedora
[22:38] <dmsuse> they dont even make redhat anymore other than for servers
[22:38] <Jimmy06> i know
[22:38] <dmsuse> it died out for a reason, it sucks :P
[22:39] <dmsuse> fedora too
[22:39] <Jimmy06> i didnt mean redhat itsself i mean a branch of it
[22:39] <Jimmy06> :P
[22:39] <Jimmy06> Like centos
[22:40] <maicod> chaoshax: http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3379.jpg
[22:40] <maicod> thats mine :)
[22:40] <maicod> its bad quality audio on a windows pc though
[22:40] <maicod> and the driver for linux.............
[22:40] <chaoshax> It's ?1 that speaks enough about it
[22:40] <maicod> :)
[22:40] <dmsuse> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/fedora
[22:43] <maicod> bbl
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[22:46] <beardface> Check it-> http://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/219904/posts/256466/image-131161-full.jpg?1340915946
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[22:46] <beardface> Probably won't meet my goal, but working on packaging anyway, since its fun to design a box. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1986127174/designing-an-affordable-and-beautiful-raspberry-pi
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[22:50] <sjc> beardface: if you don't meet the goal, would you still be offering the case?
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[22:51] <ReggieUK> $7 for a fan 0.o
[22:53] <mythos> sjc, scroll to the end of the page
[22:53] <beardface> sjc: I'd be offering the prototypes
[22:53] <beardface> but not the purty-cheap case
[22:54] <beardface> ReggieUK: Yup, 7 bucks for a 5v fan
[22:54] <beardface> costs me 3 dollars, + shipping
[22:54] <beardface> thenI have to shiph it
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[22:54] <beardface> hence, why its optional, you can find your own 5v 50mm fan if you want
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[22:56] <sjc> beardface: if I back the 3d printed prototype in august / production case in october, and the kickstarter fails, will I still get both - or just the prototype?
[22:56] <beardface> If the kickstarter fails, no one gets anything
[22:57] <IT_Sean> I like your design.
[22:57] <beardface> but i'll send out a link to all the backers
[22:57] <beardface> with how to buy a prototype case
[22:57] <beardface> Thanks IT_Sean
[22:57] <chaoshax> Does anyone know of any good sub ?20 50w soldering irons?
[22:57] <beardface> I really like that it looks like a 50's fridge :)
[22:57] <chaoshax> I mean you won't get "good" but just reasonable
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[22:57] <IT_Sean> I'd vote for doing it in black. In that sort of rubbery feel plastic if pastable.
[22:58] <IT_Sean> chaoshax: Any electronics store?
[22:58] <lennard> ... I read only that last sentence, which makes it... weird :P
[22:58] <chaoshax> Yes
[22:59] <IT_Sean> I am off. Back later.
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[22:59] <Dagger2> well, there's http://www.wholesaletoolwarehouse.com/electrical/soldering/245090-solder-station-40w
[22:59] <chaoshax> Thanks.
[23:00] <Jimmy06> im liking my Weller station :D
[23:00] <Dagger2> my housemate has one, but I've only used it very briefly, so I can't properly evaluate its goodness
[23:00] <chaoshax> Ahh but I am not a company owner.
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[23:00] <chaoshax> I will see if it's on amazon
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[23:00] <Dagger2> annoying PVC cable on the soldering iron, but eh, ??14
[23:00] <gotnate> i got my pi
[23:00] <gotnate> i
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[23:00] <gotnate> got a fresh sd card
[23:01] <gotnate> now to figure out what OS to put on it
[23:01] <chaoshax> Ooh it's only 12 on amazon
[23:01] <gotnate> input appreciated
[23:01] <stephan48> are there already wlan dongles out which can both function as wlan client and ap at the same time for the rasppi?
[23:01] <Jimmy06> arnt the USB only usb 1 on the pi ?
[23:02] <stephan48> 2
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[23:02] <Jimmy06> why was someone moaning about its speed earlier then
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[23:02] <chaoshax> Jimmy06, Network and USB shares same bus
[23:03] <Jimmy06> ah
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[23:03] <sjc> stephan48: why would you want a dongle providing client and AP functionality simultaneously? Wouldn't that negate the ability to use only one dongle?
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[23:03] <chaoshax> sjc, I think he wants to use it as a repeater.
[23:04] <stephan48> sjc: i want it as mobile hotspot, maybe attached with a small display+some buttons to switch throu predefined configs, and then providing dhcp on lan & wlan to clients by optionally connecting itself via lan(ruling lan for clients out then) or wlan
[23:04] <sjc> chaoshax: surely two antennae/radios then?
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[23:05] <stephan48> cause my windows based solution(running in a vm) sucks a bit
[23:05] <sjc> Most Windows-based anythings suck more than a bit :P
[23:05] <stephan48> vm contains a linux gateway which basically does the same job i am planing the pi for just worser
[23:05] <stephan48> sjc: oh its a nice os
[23:05] <NucWin> for ioquake3 do i still need the point release files. if so does anyone know where there is an arm build?
[23:06] <stephan48> sjc: when you got to much time and money and want to get annoyed by your os
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[23:16] <prehensile_> evenin all
[23:18] <chaoshax> Anyone with an idea why when I tab it doesn't autocomplete but just jumps spaces.
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[23:20] <sjc> stephan48: what does time and/or money have to do with OS annoyance? If an OS annoyed me, it would annoy me regardless of how much or little money or time Ihad
[23:21] <dmsuse> chaoshax: then there is nothing to tab
[23:22] <stephan48> sjc: for using windows your need to spend time & money - by spending both you are actually able to use it, and by the nature of windows its just annoying
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[23:22] <stephan48> so on a certain way you can link them together
[23:22] <chaoshax> dmsuse, Ahh I think I am using an odd shell
[23:23] <solar_sea> Has anyone had success with the u-boot port from kernelnomicon ? I can boot a normal linux kernel, but as soon as I try to boot u-boot it's stuck on start.elf's color pattern ?
[23:23] <solar_sea> running it from a vfat formated partition
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[23:25] <itsrachelfish> hi #raspberrypi
[23:26] <gotnate> do i read this right? my rasp pi boots from a FAT32 partition?
[23:26] <gotnate> no boot loader?
[23:27] <haltdef> the bootloader's part of the GPU firmware
[23:27] <haltdef> which is on the fat32 partition
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[23:27] <haltdef> bit of a whacky soc
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[23:27] <itsrachelfish> I want to use my pi to control motors. I've heard a lot of talk about i2c, h-bridges, adafruit, piborgs, and gertboards but nothing to the point of "here's what you do"
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[23:27] <gotnate> wait??? the GPU's firmware has the boot loader? as in the graphic processing unit?
[23:28] <plugwash> yep
[23:28] <gotnate> O_o
[23:28] <gotnate> well, ok
[23:28] <haltdef> the gpu starts up first, then fires up the arm core
[23:28] <plugwash> the GPU boots first, reads it's own firmware from the SD card, reads the kernel from the SD card, resets the SD controller and starts the arm core
[23:28] <dmsuse> itsrachelfish: what sort of motor?
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[23:28] <haltdef> we're spoiled by x86 :P
[23:29] <gotnate> well, as long as it boots, i'm happy
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[23:29] <sjc> itsrachelfish: there are different ways of doing it depending on the motor you use and how you want to control it, so there aren't really any handholding guides
[23:29] <WASDx> My load says "0.02, 0.04, 0.05" but I'm running a software which is constantly around 30% cpu usage. I thought load showed how much the CPU had been working for the past minutes?
[23:29] <itsrachelfish> dmsuse: Like an RC car motor
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[23:29] <itsrachelfish> To go vroooom
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[23:30] <dmsuse> itsrachelfish: do you know how much power they use?
[23:30] <itsrachelfish> And how much difference is there between an RC car motor and an electric wheelchair motor?
[23:30] <gotnate> haltdef: the x86 is a 32 bit hack of a 16 bit chip
[23:30] <dmsuse> ^^ how much power it uses :P
[23:30] <chaoshax> itsrachelfish, Do the RC car motors use ESCs?
[23:30] <sjc> itsrachelfish: huge.
[23:30] <gotnate> x86_64 is a 64bit hack ontop of that :P
[23:30] <plugwash> itsrachelfish, not a whole lot in principle, one is just much bigger and so needs a much bigger speed controller to drive it
[23:31] <dmsuse> i'd just get a 3.3v relay and connect it to the motor :P
[23:31] <chaoshax> itsrachelfish, Read up on PWM that's all you need to know to control a speed controller.
[23:31] <itsrachelfish> chaoshax: Buuuut won't that only work for one?
[23:31] <itsrachelfish> Since there's onnly one PWM pin?
[23:31] <gotnate> now the 6502, there's a fine CPU :P
[23:31] <chaoshax> itsrachelfish, Just use an arduino, so much safer.
[23:32] <chaoshax> Which has like 8
[23:32] <plugwash> there are actually two PWM lines available but only one goes to the GPIO header
[23:32] <plugwash> to get at the other requires some soldering
[23:32] <chaoshax> Also probably loads of speed controller libraries for it
[23:32] <itsrachelfish> Yeah that's what I was thinking
[23:32] <itsrachelfish> Good ol' fashioned arduino hand holding
[23:32] <chaoshax> If you really wanted to be annoying you could use i2c.
[23:32] <chaoshax> But why bother when you can use serial.
[23:33] <chaoshax> http://diydrones.com/forum/topics/arduino-control-of-esc
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[23:34] <chaoshax> And then just simply just grab the speedvalue from serial really.
[23:36] <NucWin> anyone figured out how to get a boot loader working? so i can have arch & risc?
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[23:36] <gotnate> yeah, being able to multi-boot off one SD card would be nice
[23:37] <mervaka> by the way
[23:38] <mervaka> all you guys who want better audio
[23:38] <mervaka> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0010JP9CY/ref=asc_df_B0010JP9CY8520855?smid=A2A924GII7IGV4&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22218&creativeASIN=B0010JP9CY
[23:38] <mervaka> that maybe?
[23:38] <mervaka> or a TI PCM270x usb audio device
[23:38] <mervaka> if you wanted just the chip
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[23:53] <chaoshax> Ooh x11 works fine first try
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[23:54] <chaoshax> raspbian is clearly > debian
[23:55] <plugwash> of course raspbian wouldn't exist without debian
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[23:56] <chaoshax> Yeah but I mean the debian build :p
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