#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-06-29

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[0:09] <dj_hamsta> are there any issues when trying to add add-ons in the xbmc?
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[0:11] <WASDx> My load says "0.07, 0.04, 0.05" but I'm running a software which is constantly around 25% cpu usage. I thought load showed how much the CPU had been working for the past minutes?
[0:11] <gotnate> WASDx: load is a bit more complicated than just CPU usage
[0:12] <gotnate> you must not be doing much IO, as that is what i've seen impacts load
[0:12] <gotnate> not on my pi yet, but on other linux systems
[0:12] <WASDx> Compiling before near 100% usage showed a correct load near 1.00
[0:12] <WASDx> and I don't think much io is being done yes
[0:12] <gotnate> compiling is IO heavy
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[0:13] <WASDx> the bar at htop shows about half "normal" and half "kernel"
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[0:14] <WASDx> On the other hand, my normal computer has 0.90 load while the 2 cores are just around 15% each...
[0:14] <WASDx> I'll have a read up on it
[0:14] <gotnate> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)
[0:15] <SpeedEvil> I've had a system at load 400 before, and quite responsive.
[0:15] <SpeedEvil> - it was running 400 digs in parallel
[0:15] <gotnate> yes, >5x cpu core count (if you have 4 cores that would be > 20) means your system is running like shit
[0:16] * jeez_ is now known as jeez_away
[0:16] <SpeedEvil> In normal use, if the processes are not waiting on external events
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[0:21] <dirty_d> hey
[0:22] <Syliss> ugh, cannot wait to get my hdmi converter and usb extension cable for my lapdock
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[0:23] <RITRedbeard> Syliss, where did you get yours from?
[0:24] <Syliss> http://t.co/2GHEn9HD
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[0:25] <gotnate> damn
[0:25] <gotnate> thats a nice price
[0:25] <RITRedbeard> No, I meant the Micro HDMI converter.
[0:25] <RITRedbeard> I already have a Lapdock.
[0:25] <gotnate> i hear that the trackpad on those things are kinda crappy though
[0:27] <Syliss> ebay
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[0:27] <dirty_d> hrrm, i cant find any documentation on the clock source used for the PWM module
[0:27] <Syliss> http://www.ebay.com/itm/250997090180?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_2369wt_1144
[0:28] <Syliss> gotnate its okay, I've used it before. But i bought it from the person selling it for $65 under new
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[0:35] <RITRedbeard> net split?
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[0:39] <dmsuse> no?
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[0:40] <dirty_d> i cant see any reason why the analog audio quality has to be so bad
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[0:41] <dirty_d> it seems like the PWM is good enough to do a decent job
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[0:41] <_inc> Anyone know of a Linux tablet?
[0:41] <_inc> not android
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> There is that KDE tablet.
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> That's almost it.
[0:42] <_inc> its a crying shame
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> And in principle, the google nexus 7 - once the source is released
[0:42] <_inc> the hardware subsidised by the main OS
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[0:43] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Wiringpi serial working in Ruby :D
[0:44] <_inc> Gadgetoid: oh yea have you got a repo for that project?
[0:45] <_inc> it was you making the IO lib in ruby right?
[0:45] <Gadgetoid> _inc: not yet, I'll ask gordonDrogon's permission when he's about- I could, at the very least, put the Ruby stuff, the gem build files and SWIG generated stuff in a repo- with the gaps able to be filled by the wiringpi library
[0:45] <Gadgetoid> _inc: yes, you can "gem install wiringpi" already and get some useful digital IO functions
[0:45] * Meatballs is now known as Meatballs|Away
[0:46] <Gadgetoid> I'm now testing Gordon's latest awesome additions in preparation for rolling them into an updated gem along with my own helper functions
[0:46] <_inc> Gadgetoid: i'm a poor postgrad with no money for hardware, but i shall one day soon
[0:46] <Tenchworks> hmmm anyone here using logitech mk520 with their Pi? I seem to be having an issue with the | key printing a ~ instead and a few other symbol characters mapping wrong as well
[0:47] <Tenchworks> wondering if anyone else had that same issue and if they found a keyboard layout in dpkg that worked
[0:47] <_inc> Tenchworks: what does Shift+3 show?
[0:47] <Tenchworks> umm
[0:47] <Tenchworks> I don'thave that symbol on the laptop keyboard here
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[0:48] <Tenchworks> I think it's a euro currency symbol though
[0:48] <Gadgetoid> blasted ASCII escape character!
[0:48] <_inc> i could well be just the locale Tenchworks
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[0:49] <plugwash> Tenchworks, is your keyboard layout configured to match the keyboard you are using?
[0:49] <Tenchworks> but I have the key board set to US, i had tried that first through the dpkg-recofigure keyboard-configuration command
[0:49] <Tenchworks> should be a us keyboard, just nabbed it from the local store today
[0:50] <_inc> Tenchworks: that didn't do diddly squat for me, I downloaded a new package which seemed to fix it
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[0:50] <_inc> if someone can tell me if there was a way to see all my apt-get installed packages on the machine, i could find what the package was that i used?
[0:50] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[0:51] <profil> I can't use the zImage from kernel build directly, I need to use the python script on Image, why?
[0:52] <profil> I have tried to replace the files in /boot with the ones from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
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[0:52] <Tenchworks> hmmm
[0:52] <Tenchworks> looks like en_GB was still selected as teh locale
[0:52] <Tenchworks> gues i should fix that
[0:52] <ReggieUK> upgrade to the latest firmware and you can use the zImage or Image files created when you compile your own kernel
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[0:52] <ReggieUK> you still need to rename them
[0:53] <ReggieUK> but you don't need to mess with python
[0:53] <dirty_d> this bcm2835 datasheet is garbage
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[0:53] <dirty_d> it doesnt even give any info on the clock sources
[0:53] <dirty_d> OSC, PLLA, PLLB, PLLC
[0:53] <dirty_d> but no description of any of them
[0:54] <Tenchworks> well generating new locales, hope this works
[0:54] <profil> ReggieUK: I copied over the files from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware and renamed zImage to kernel.img, but it couldn't boot, just stuck on that gradient image
[0:56] <profil> ReggieUK: is it start.elf, bootcode.bin and loader.bin that is needed for the new firmware? which is the "proper" way to upgrade the firmware?
[0:58] <RITRedbeard> Got my MK802 today. 8)
[0:58] <RITRedbeard> Like a boss.
[1:00] <_inc> RITRedbeard: cool. how are you finding it so far?
[1:01] <RITRedbeard> I'm finding out not much, because I lack any HDMI cables or gear >:|
[1:01] <_inc> RITRedbeard: pound land is a great source of HDMI cables
[1:01] <_inc> :)
[1:01] <dirty_d> does anyone know anything about the PLLs on the bcm2835?
[1:02] <_inc> "or gear" as in not HDMI ported display?
[1:02] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: I don't recall them in the highly abbreviated datasheeet alas.
[1:02] <RITRedbeard> cables, HDMI ported display...
[1:02] <plugwash> iirc gert has said some things about clocking on the forums but I dunno if the information you need is there
[1:02] <dirty_d> hmm
[1:02] <RITRedbeard> heck, even Thinkpad uses Displayport
[1:03] <_inc> non-apple device with display port?
[1:03] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, know anything about PWM DACs?
[1:03] <_inc> even the new model MBPs have ditched display port for HDMI
[1:03] <RITRedbeard> ////////////////////////////
[1:03] <RITRedbeard> '[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[
[1:03] <RITRedbeard> whoops
[1:03] <netman87> hmm can someone tell me what is easiest way to power raspberry pi without right usb cable
[1:03] <_inc> i was sort of happy about that, then i saw the price
[1:03] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: yes
[1:04] <netman87> i may need pretty detailed help
[1:04] <RITRedbeard> HDMI you've got to pay a royalty for using
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[1:04] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, what PWM freq would ne needed for high quality 16-bit 48kHz audio?
[1:04] <_inc> netman87: usb adapter is the easiest way
[1:04] <dirty_d> 10 times that?
[1:04] <netman87> _inc: like i said without right usb cable
[1:04] <_inc> there is no easy way
[1:04] <Dagger2> netman87: buy the right USB cable
[1:04] <RITRedbeard> splice existing ones?
[1:04] <netman87> i just dont have micro usb atm
[1:05] <Dagger2> I got one on Amazon for 70p...
[1:05] <IT_Sean> the easy way to power the Pi requires the correc USB cable.
[1:05] <Da|Mummy> right usb cables are like $1
[1:05] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: 2^16*48KHz
[1:05] <RITRedbeard> dontcha have a camera or something?
[1:05] * blkhawk is now known as blkaway
[1:05] <_inc> GPIO i guess, but i wouldn't try to ghetto that
[1:05] <RITRedbeard> or you could go to radio shack real quick
[1:05] <IT_Sean> No, don't try to ghetto the GPIO
[1:05] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: Or 3GHz or so
[1:05] <IT_Sean> the GPIO 5v pin bypasses all the protection
[1:05] <netman87> nobody can read? or is it just too many assholes here? :)
[1:05] * netman87 was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[1:06] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, that high?
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[1:06] <RITRedbeard> OWNED by someone in I Tried
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[1:06] <RITRedbeard> !
[1:06] <RITRedbeard> <RITRedbeard> OWNED by someone in I Tried
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> If you mean straight PWM.
[1:06] <RITRedbeard> desolder the USB
[1:06] <RITRedbeard> solder on leads
[1:06] <RITRedbeard> there is your power
[1:06] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, thats 65536 PWM periods per audio sample
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> Sigma-delta can be lots less.
[1:06] <_inc> netman87: chill out man. don't bring your frustrations out on us
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: yes
[1:07] <Da|Mummy> dude, usb cable is like $1, wtf are you trying to avoid?
[1:07] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, thats not uber-overkill?
[1:07] <netman87> lol. so i cant even speak here... i ask help... people can keep giving me just false or non-useful answers.
[1:07] <netman87> but i cant say anything about that non-sense
[1:07] <IT_Sean> No, everyone is trying to help you.
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[1:07] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: To get 16 bit output from a PWM signal, you need 65536 periods
[1:07] <Da|Mummy> you gotta make sense if you want sensical answer
[1:07] <reider59> say what you like as long as you don`t cuss
[1:07] <netman87> "buy cable"
[1:07] <IT_Sean> But, there is no "easy" way to power the pi without the right lead
[1:07] <netman87> and i said "without out cable"
[1:07] * jprvita is now known as jprvita|afk
[1:08] <netman87> yes. okey ill write question again
[1:08] <_inc> netman87: [00:03:32] <+_inc> GPIO i guess, but i wouldn't try to ghetto that
[1:08] <_inc> WE ANSWERED
[1:08] <plugwash> my pi is powered through a somewhat ghetto arrangement on the GPIO....
[1:08] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, i thought youd need 65535 steps in the duty cycle between 0% and 100%
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[1:08] <dmsuse> netman87: rip up your cable till all the wires are exposed use a multimeter to find the positive/neg and attach them accordingly to the gpio's :P
[1:08] <netman87> easiest way without usb
[1:08] <RITRedbeard> Grow up, netman87. While you're at it, learn some etiquette.
[1:08] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: you do.
[1:08] <RITRedbeard> Wire the power and ground leads from the USB connector
[1:08] <dmsuse> pretty sure i already told you this earlier
[1:08] <RITRedbeard> and hook them up to a stable 5vdc source
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[1:09] <netman87> dmsuse: there is 3.3V GPIO do i need power for it too? GPIO 5V = non protected?
[1:09] <IT_Sean> if you are going to use the GPIO 5v pin, be URE your source is properly regulated.
[1:09] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: For each 1/44000th of a second, you need 65536 periods where the output can be high or low to reach 16 bit accuracy
[1:09] <IT_Sean> you only need power the 5v pin
[1:09] <netman87> plugwash: can you please give me more information about your setup.
[1:09] <profil> ReggieUK: you disappeared?
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[1:09] <dmsuse> netman87: just the ground and the 5v
[1:09] <IT_Sean> the 3.3v bus is derived from the 5v supply.
[1:10] <plugwash> netman87, I have a ribbon cable with a connector that's too small to cover the whole GPIO header which means I had to bend some of the pins to plug it in
[1:10] <_inc> netman87: basically, if you are going to power via GPIO, if you get one thing wrong you can say hello with a deep fried pi
[1:10] <netman87> okey. then i can just use jump-wires and old IDE cable
[1:10] <plugwash> and then I stripped the relavent wires on the other end of that ribbon and soldered them to the wires from my PSU
[1:10] <IT_Sean> Do come back and tell us when you fry your pi. We can use the entertainment.
[1:11] <plugwash> ghetto as hell but it works
[1:11] <netman87> dmsuse: oh yes. i did look about GPIO's back then but i wasnt sure about 3.3V line
[1:11] <dmsuse> kk
[1:11] <IT_Sean> you don't need to do anything w/ the 3.3v line.
[1:11] <_inc> but like me and IT_Sean said, don't ghetto the GPIO unless you are absolutely sure
[1:11] <netman87> so i did just ask again for more detailed info
[1:12] <plugwash> yet another way to power the Pi would be to solder wires to the TP1 and TP2 positions
[1:12] <DaQatz> Could you be more specific, since they already gave you the relevant info?
[1:12] <IT_Sean> Ah, i hadn't thought of that
[1:12] <netman87> yeah i did think about changing micro usb port itself to mini usb one
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[1:13] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, now that i think of it, thats kinda the minimum isnt it?
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: yes.
[1:14] <dirty_d> thats 65525 PWM clock cycles not 65535 PWM periods
[1:14] <dirty_d> its just 1 PWM period
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: Sigma-delta beats this by noise shaping
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[1:14] <SpeedEvil> And an output filter
[1:14] <_inc> netman87: just for clarification, why can't you use a micro-usb, i know you said you didn't have one but can't you just go to the shop tomorrow?
[1:14] <JMichael|work> my raspi was supposed to ship today, but newark's site just says 'received' for the status
[1:15] <dmsuse> if i got a pi and forgot to get a cable i would be doing the exact same thing as he is doing now :P
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[1:15] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, so high quality analog audio on the rpi definitely isnt happening
[1:15] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: Sure it is.
[1:15] <dirty_d> yea?
[1:15] <dirty_d> i mean from the PWM module
[1:15] <SpeedEvil> Either USB, or I2S
[1:15] <dirty_d> not HDMU stuff
[1:15] <SpeedEvil> Or HDMI even
[1:15] <dirty_d> HDMI
[1:16] <_inc> dmsuse: i had mini usb instead of micro, i waited the next day out of absolute fear that i would have a crispy-fried pi
[1:16] <RITRedbeard> USB sound cards are surprisingly cheap
[1:16] <SpeedEvil> Or SPI even
[1:16] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, HDMI audio isnt analog is it?
[1:16] <SpeedEvil> probably even I2C
[1:16] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: no
[1:16] <RITRedbeard> or you could get a "headset"
[1:16] <dirty_d> i thought it was a pcm stream or something
[1:16] <RITRedbeard> same concept
[1:16] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: yeah - bluetooth adaptor, and then that too
[1:17] <ReggieUK> sure electronics do some cheap a2dp units
[1:17] <RITRedbeard> I haven't used bluetooth that much, can you have multiple connections/devices per bluetooth radio?
[1:17] <ReggieUK> yup
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[1:17] <ReggieUK> not sure exactly what and how many but it's definitely possible
[1:17] <_inc> i think 20 was the limit but i could be wrong
[1:17] <ReggieUK> I thought it was 7 myself
[1:17] <RITRedbeard> interesting
[1:17] <_inc> well, depends on the classification
[1:17] <ReggieUK> I've had at least 2
[1:18] <ReggieUK> both uart based
[1:18] <ReggieUK> gps and bluetooth to serial master/slave board
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[1:19] <SpeedEvil> Is there any official word on the model A?
[1:19] <RITRedbeard> yeah
[1:19] <RITRedbeard> I'm in for one Model A
[1:20] <dirty_d> any reason other than the -$10?
[1:20] <_inc> RITRedbeard: yea seven devices officially, practical limit for high performance is 4 before latency issue
[1:20] <RITRedbeard> I figured as much
[1:20] <RITRedbeard> No USB eth
[1:20] <RITRedbeard> same memory
[1:21] <ReggieUK> that's quite useful depending what you need
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[1:21] <SpeedEvil> Ethernet/HDMI isn't very useful to me.
[1:21] <ReggieUK> uart, light networking via pan and audio?
[1:21] <tech2077> anyone see me on hackaday :)
[1:22] * plugwash was considering the model A because 2 USB ports isn't really enough and i've had less trouble with ASIX controllers and the SMSC one on the Pi
[1:22] <dirty_d> tech2077, i do now
[1:22] <plugwash> so I was considering pairing up the model A with a CPC USB hub with ethernet
[1:22] <dirty_d> i must be behind, the model A has more than 2 usb ports?
[1:22] <RITRedbeard> Yeah.
[1:22] <RITRedbeard> I was just about to say the Pi is the new Arduino sweetheart of Hackaday.
[1:22] <ReggieUK> that's a df3120 for that bluetooth frame
[1:22] <RITRedbeard> Although Hackaday has gone downhill the last few years... congrats, though.
[1:23] <tech2077> yeah
[1:23] <tech2077> i know
[1:23] <RITRedbeard> I see Reggie's comments.
[1:23] <RITRedbeard> :P
[1:23] <tech2077> some of the stuff before was people just doing tons of work, or pulling magic out their ass
[1:23] <Dagger2> dirty_d: it only has 1, but if you're going to be using a hub anyway having an extra hub built-in isn't helpful
[1:23] <ReggieUK> tech2077, is that you that's done the parrot frame to pi thing?
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[1:24] <dirty_d> ok
[1:24] <RITRedbeard> A bunch of Uni friends have been on HaD
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[1:25] <tech2077> ReggieUK, the lcd library
[1:25] <RITRedbeard> I'll have my day, though... soon... soon.
[1:25] <ReggieUK> ahh
[1:25] <ReggieUK> I thought you'd done this one:
[1:25] <ReggieUK> http://hackaday.com/2012/06/28/linux-picture-frame-serves-as-wireless-raspberry-pi-display/#comments
[1:25] <tech2077> sadly no
[1:26] <tech2077> i also got angry because of a comment on the hackaday one, and now i'm going to make a kernel driver for the setup
[1:28] <_inc> hackaday is turning into reddit
[1:28] <_inc> next week will be cats with pi's week
[1:28] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, what do you reckon on the df3120 merging with a pi?
[1:28] <ReggieUK> think BusError will appreciate it?
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[1:28] <ReggieUK> should be strap an arduino to it.....
[1:28] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: I suggest you make a blockbuster hollywood movie, along the lines of 'the fly'
[1:30] <ReggieUK> good grief I really must have a headache, it took a while for that to sink in....
[1:30] <dirty_d> tech2077, where is your article?
[1:30] * ReggieUK reacts with delayed laughter
[1:30] <ReggieUK> ahahahaha
[1:30] <tech2077> http://hackaday.com/2012/06/28/using-an-hd44780-character-lcd-with-the-raspberry-pi/
[1:31] <ReggieUK> congrats for making HaD
[1:31] <ReggieUK> but that parrotPi is way more interesting :)
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[1:32] <ReggieUK> as I've got 3 sitting here :D
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[1:33] <RITRedbeard> Three parrots?
[1:34] <ReggieUK> http://hackaday.com/2012/06/28/linux-picture-frame-serves-as-wireless-raspberry-pi-display/#comments
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[1:34] <ReggieUK> that photoframe is a parrot df3120
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[1:38] <netman87> hmm i did just boot RPi
[1:38] <netman87> okey now i need to make wires better so my cat dosnt break it
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[1:40] <dirty_d> damn cats
[1:40] <dirty_d> birds are worse
[1:40] <tech2077> ferrets are worse
[1:40] <dirty_d> say goodbye to every wire you own
[1:40] <dirty_d> with ferrets at least you cna wipe the poo off
[1:41] <dirty_d> my gf wont let me get a ferret
[1:41] <dirty_d> she works at a pet store so she knows
[1:41] <IT_Sean> if the best thing you can say is "At least you can wipe off the poo", how good can they be! O_O
[1:42] <_inc> if i learned anything from kindergarten cop, it's that ferrets are clean animals
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[1:43] <_inc> and "its not a toomah"
[1:44] <RITRedbeard> suuuuuure they are
[1:44] <RITRedbeard> that's why they stink
[1:44] <RITRedbeard> even if you take out that gland or whatever
[1:44] <_inc> thats the males getting all sexy
[1:44] <RITRedbeard> cute but they're too smelly
[1:45] <_inc> not something a bit of fabreeze cannot fix
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[1:48] <netman87> my cat just runs all over places so its sometimes hard to keep electric safe when using jump wires
[1:48] <netman87> okey now i have 100" picture from RPi (my one and only hdmi display is video projector)
[1:50] <gotnate> netman87: i don't even have an HDMI display - i'm gonna need to get a DVI adapter, and until then??? yay composite out!
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[1:51] <_inc> FAO irssi gurus. how can i make sure the status window is the default window when launching
[1:51] <_inc> ?
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[1:51] <_inc> or anything other than my hilight split-window
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[1:54] <netman87> debian image.. does it start gnome automatically?
[1:54] <netman87> Xorg?
[1:54] <netman87> is first boot somehow special?
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[1:55] <dirty_d> special for you...
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[1:58] <ReggieUK> if you're using wheezy, it's special in so much that it runs rpi-config where you can do a partial initial setup
[1:58] <ReggieUK> for things like locale, timezone, memory split, enabling ssh etc.
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[1:59] <Syliss> ugh, i need to find a micro usb extension for my lapdock
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[2:00] <netman87> okey so i needed to start X manually
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[2:23] <ReggieUK> hi BusError
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[2:34] <mianosm> Hi guys, I've been looking around (google and the official site), if you don't have an SD card is there any output to the display from the RPi (model B)?
[2:34] <_inc> mianosm: no there isnt
[2:34] <IT_Sean> With no SD card? No.
[2:35] <mianosm> So if you get PWR and OK - it is working as intended?
[2:35] <_inc> yes
[2:35] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[2:35] <SpeedEvil> you don't get OK without SD
[2:35] <mianosm> Cool thanks guys - I'm guessing I have a bunk SD card, will try others now :)
[2:35] <_inc> mianosm: that, or the image is bad
[2:37] <mianosm> _inc: okay, thanks for the aid :)
[2:37] <netman87> which videoplayers u guys have tried/use on RPi?
[2:37] <_inc> omxplayer
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[2:38] <netman87> _inc: i havent heard of it
[2:39] <_inc> it definitely exist
[2:40] <_inc> afaik the best performance player on the pi
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[2:40] <mpthompson> I've been suffering USB issues for weeks. I've discovered that the issue seems to be the USB hub built into my keyboard (I think it's a low-speed USB 1.1 hub). If I use a USB/PS2 adapter with the same keyboard which elminates the hub, USB seems to then function fine.
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[2:41] <mpthompson> Same symptoms on another similar keyboard that also has a built-in low-speed USB hub.
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[2:46] <_inc> ooo, chrome is in the iOS Appstore
[2:47] <_inc> and i just hit install and got the message "The item you are trying to buy is no longer available"
[2:50] * SpeedEvil is moderately irritated the Google nexus 7 doesn't have flash.
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[2:53] <mpthompson> Does anyone know if there is a Synergy based solution for sharing a keyboard that isn't tied to X windows? Basically, I would like to use the keyboard via Synergy before I start X.
[2:55] <netman87> games for raspberry pi?
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[3:07] <hermanhermitage> mpthompson: interesting, dont know
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[3:09] <hermanhermitage> mpthompson: what i wish i had is something like iLO / IPMI
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[3:20] <oldtopman> What does a solid red power light mean?
[3:20] <mervaka> on
[3:21] <mervaka> :)
[3:21] <oldtopman> Well, I have no picture, and the OK light blinks once and goes off.
[3:21] * oldtopman is trying to use Raspbmc
[3:21] <mervaka> hmm
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[3:22] <mervaka> got debian working yet?
[3:23] <oldtopman> Nah, should I try?
[3:23] <mervaka> probably a good idea to
[3:23] <mervaka> just so you know its all working lovely etc
[3:27] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[3:27] <SSilver2k2> just tried gneogeo advancemame, and advancemess on wheezy
[3:27] <SSilver2k2> they work even better :)
[3:28] <oldtopman> mervaka: Alright, going to do that. Wish me luck :D
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[3:30] <hermanhermitage> are the blink codes defined somewhere?
[3:31] <oldtopman> Yep
[3:31] <oldtopman> Just found this: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
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[3:31] <hermanhermitage> outstanding work! thanks
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[3:32] <mervaka> oldtopman: gl
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[3:34] <mervaka> i'm interested to try running no OS sometime, and jsut run the ARM deep embedded.
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[4:04] <markbook> Has anyone in the US tried using one of the Hauppauge USB ATSC tuners on a Pi yet?
[4:04] <markbook> There are two on the elinux working list, but it looks like they're UK only.
[4:06] <plugwash> can't say I have tried a TV tuner on the Pi and i'm not in the US
[4:06] <plugwash> you are right that a UK tuner will be no use in the US and vice-versa, ATSC and DVB are completely different
[4:07] <markbook> I may get one regardless. It will certainly work on my wife's Windows laptop
[4:08] <markbook> I was wondering if anyone had tried a pi as a DVR back end. It looks like it can manage the front end OK, mostly
[4:09] <markbook> though I tried to use the OpenELEC XBMC video plugin for PBS (HD stream) and it choked up in about 15 sec both times.
[4:09] <markbook> SD streams seem fine.
[4:13] * Xark notes that people looking for affordable portable Pi screens might find these interesting (for $40-$50 for 1.5" to 3.5" diagonal) -> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/06/28/new-products-ntscpal-television-tft-displays-1-5-2-0-2-5-3-5-diagonal/
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[4:24] <jmontleon> did they do something in the kernel or one of the new firmwares to improve performance? I feel like my rpi is twice as fast now
[4:25] <jmontleon> since using rpi-update
[4:25] <ReggieUK> sd drivers got a lot of love
[4:25] <jmontleon> that was one thing I noticed; dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null was over twice as fast
[4:27] <jmontleon> it went being slower than either of the two usb adapters with sd slots I have plugged in, to being the fastest
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[4:27] <hotwings> plugwash - we have dvb providers here in the us
[4:27] <hotwings> dvb-s and dvb-c
[4:28] <ptyyy> my rpi is so slow :/
[4:28] <hotwings> all rpi's are so slow
[4:28] <hotwings> it can idle like a champ though
[4:28] <ptyyy> opening IDLE takes 10-20 seconds, is that normal?
[4:29] <hotwings> by idle, i mean sitting there doing almost nothing
[4:29] * jmontleon uses a couple of these for extra storage http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=ProductDetail&A=showMultipleImages&Q=&sku=751120&is=REG
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[4:29] <ptyyy> I understand, I mean that opening Python IDLE, it takes 10-20 seconds for the screen to load.
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[4:37] <plugwash> hotwings, but not dvb-t right
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[5:49] <three14_2> telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu
[5:49] * JMichaelX (~james@ Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
[5:49] <three14_2> how did i ever miss that?
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[6:02] <oldtopman> Anyone here know how to get bluetooth running on Debian?
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[6:09] <RITRedbeard> make the kernel with USB bluetooth support
[6:09] <RITRedbeard> or install its module
[6:10] <RITRedbeard> which brings up a point, is anyone maintaining repositories for the ARM crap?
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[6:14] <oldtopman> RITRedbeard: Links to appropiate info?
[6:14] <oldtopman> Also, you'll have to ask #debian-arm
[6:14] <RITRedbeard> config menuconfig
[6:14] <oldtopman> They seemed to be *okay* when I had debian on my Touchpad
[6:15] <oldtopman> BfW was up to date, so who cares :D
[6:15] * oldtopman works on porting Naev to ARM
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[6:38] <yggdrasil> whats up gents
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[6:53] <yggdrasil> d
[6:53] * RITRedbeard chops down yggdrasil
[6:53] <yggdrasil> easy
[6:54] * RITRedbeard destroys all the realms
[6:54] <yggdrasil> just making sure my ssh was still open :)
[6:54] <yggdrasil> hey now
[6:54] <yggdrasil> :)
[6:54] <RITRedbeard> suck vanir, aesir, giants
[6:54] <RITRedbeard> SUCK IT TREBEK!
[6:54] <yggdrasil> nidhook , sick him
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[7:05] <RITRedbeard> waiting for cables to come in the mail
[7:06] <RITRedbeard> then I'm going to plug my MK802 into my lapdock
[7:06] <yggdrasil> cool man.
[7:06] <RITRedbeard> then I can help reverse engineer the video blob
[7:06] <yggdrasil> i guesse im gonna go with some mame stuff next
[7:07] <RITRedbeard> and port software
[7:07] <yggdrasil> isnt the mk802 an android device ?
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[7:08] <mjr> that's what it's sold with
[7:09] <yggdrasil> ahh indeed
[7:09] <yggdrasil> how much ram does it have ?
[7:09] <mjr> 512M
[7:10] <yggdrasil> not bad.
[7:10] <rm> there's a variant with 1GB
[7:10] <yggdrasil> hmm
[7:10] <rm> $5 more expensive :)
[7:11] <mjr> oo
[7:11] <yggdrasil> i dont know if it worth it :)
[7:11] <mjr> Tempting. What with the lima project that RITRedbeard is probably referencing, too.
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> lima is interesting
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> a lot of the work done for nvidia on linux has been via reverse engineering
[7:15] <phire> well, nvidia left them with little other choice
[7:15] <Arch1mede> yeah i read an article on that
[7:15] <rm> I just use mine as a headless server
[7:15] <rm> installed debian with the server kernel that frees up almost all the RAM from the video devices
[7:15] <rm> and thinking to move my home HTTP and Mail servers to it
[7:15] <rm> but I am concerned about SD card longevity
[7:16] <rm> this is what I am researching right now
[7:16] <RITRedbeard> I noticed. :)
[7:16] <RITRedbeard> wait
[7:16] <RITRedbeard> has anyone been able to get ahold of the SATA pins?
[7:16] <rm> not me
[7:16] <RITRedbeard> I mean, A10 has SATA bus, right?
[7:16] * RITRedbeard grins.
[7:17] <rm> it does, but I wouldn't be surprised if SATA also needs some other electrics before being usable
[7:17] <phire> high speed serial busses often do
[7:19] <rm> so just get a Mele if you need SATA :)
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[7:21] <rm> I wonder who in the world uses /var/tmp and for what
[7:21] <rm> isn't /tmp enough
[7:22] <rm> maybe I should try deleting it and seeing what breaks :)
[7:22] <RITRedbeard> do it
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[7:52] <s[x]> wooohooo received my PI
[7:53] <hermanhermitage> sweet!
[7:53] <s[x]> Element14 Australia Customer
[7:54] <RITRedbeard> Why would a criminal want a Rasberry Pi?
[7:54] <s[x]> 1) Im not Australian
[7:54] <s[x]> 2) Why would he not want one
[7:55] <RITRedbeard> a) Lies
[7:55] <deebo> he could just steal a real computer
[7:55] <RITRedbeard> b) Because there is no application of using it in burglary
[7:55] <deebo> i already got two rpi's, now if the cases would just ship
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[7:59] <Mr_Sheesh> Use a Pi to crack a security system, or scan for people saying they're going on vacation on their facebook etc. pages? Scary idea, that
[7:59] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, Facebook is a pretty scary idea.
[7:59] <RITRedbeard> You said it, brother.
[8:00] <Mr_Sheesh> LOL that too
[8:01] <RITRedbeard> "dear online diary, tonight I changed the home security code to 4321, lol! mr. tibbles didn't like the pink salmon and ate his own poo instead, now he's sick :( "
[8:01] <Mr_Sheesh> That looks more like what I'd see on Twitter >.> LOL
[8:03] * Xark thinks it is mildly funny that FTDI has come out with a special Raspberry Pi serial cable that is the same as their existing cable except missing some output pins (and 3 1 pin connectors vs 1 6 pin). :) http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/RPi.htm More power to them (they also have a more interesting "special" breakout board http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Modules/RPi.htm )
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[8:12] <Arch1mede> what the heck.....no python for wheezy beta
[8:12] <RITRedbeard> What in the lord's name is this? http://i48.tinypic.com/2pynji8.jpg
[8:12] <Arch1mede> damnit
[8:13] * Xark boots his RPi in its new LadyAda case. So far happy with it (but kind of difficult to get it together due to slack tolerances...)
[8:14] <Arch1mede> xark: link?
[8:14] <OllieMorfik> lul thats a euro socket or something
[8:14] <rm> that's a power adapter
[8:14] <rm> pretty sure
[8:14] <Xark> Arch1mede: http://www.adafruit.com/products/859 (or video here http://vimeo.com/43408363 )
[8:15] <OllieMorfik> get the wrong power locale heh
[8:15] <Arch1mede> Xark: ahh nice.....wonder if they ship to the US?
[8:15] * Xark thinks these are cool (< $50 3.5 inch TV screens for Pi etc.) -> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/06/28/new-products-ntscpal-television-tft-displays-1-5-2-0-2-5-3-5-diagonal/
[8:15] <Mr_Sheesh> There's a site that has all the worldwide power info down, "Laptop Warrior" or some such? The URL's not on this laptop LOL
[8:16] <Xark> Arch1mede: Adafruit is in NYC... :)
[8:16] <rm> too expensive and fiddly
[8:16] <rm> you can get $22 displays on DX
[8:16] <Arch1mede> Xark: why does it show pounds then?
[8:16] <rm> and with proper cases!
[8:16] <Arch1mede> ohhhh
[8:16] <Xark> Arch1mede: No idea, there is a link on the left to change currency IIRC.
[8:16] <Arch1mede> well im gonna get me that then
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[8:18] <Xark> Arch1mede: They have a Raspberry Pi section and tomorrow is "PiDay Friday" (whatever that means - perhaps a discount). http://www.adafruit.com/category/105 (I also got the nice GPIO cable - 3.95 is reasonable for that cable).
[8:19] <Arch1mede> i dont have anything to do with that GPIO
[8:20] <Xark> Arch1mede: Well, then you are good. :)
[8:20] <Arch1mede> hmmm i cant get to the site all of a sudden
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> Leemur robbed me
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> she's crafty
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> Sparkfun is top notch.
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> Been to their place of business.
[8:20] <RITRedbeard> Real professional like.
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[8:21] <chitchat> Does anybody know whether the Debian image is based on armel?
[8:22] <Xark> RITRedbeard: I have bought a fair bit from both companies. Sparkfun is indeed good, but I have no complaints about Adafruit (and I prefer some of their products, and some from SFE - a little competition is good).
[8:22] <RITRedbeard> No, she literally robbed me.
[8:22] <RITRedbeard> I got that AVR programmer and the chip was borked
[8:22] <RITRedbeard> no refund
[8:23] <RITRedbeard> no mistakes in construction, EE friend double checked my work
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[8:23] <RITRedbeard> pretty basic circuit
[8:24] <Xark> RITRedbeard: Heh, poor service is not "robbing". Especially on a kit, but whatever. Maybe SFE is better for returns (they asked no questions when I returned a breadboard holder with a broken clip - but the replacement had broken clips also [now they have a new model]). :)
[8:24] <RITRedbeard> she gets too much attention from the HaD/male crowd
[8:24] <RITRedbeard> OOOH VAGINA!
[8:25] <RITRedbeard> it's like, yeah, she emulated an atari with an FPGA; big deal?
[8:25] <RITRedbeard> I guess MIT isn't as good as they say.
[8:25] * RITRedbeard shrugs.
[8:25] <Xark> RITRedbeard: Hmm, I think you are getting her confused with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeri_Ellsworth
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[8:27] <RITRedbeard> or she built a bomb as her thesis
[8:27] <RITRedbeard> or something, they're both overrated
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[8:27] <RITRedbeard> but then again a majority of the HaD/Liliput/"maker" community are a bunch of virgins, so it comes to little surprise
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[8:30] <Arch1mede> anyone know what other repo's i need other than deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free
[8:30] <Arch1mede> ?
[8:30] <Arch1mede> seems python isnt available
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[8:40] <zutto> Arch1mede: python is available on that repo
[8:41] <Arch1mede> zutto: yeah i saw that...its wierd i couldnt install some packages i needed for webmin using apt-get but aptitude worked but i had to search for them and tag them one at a time
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[8:56] <booyaa> what do you call apps that run in console graphically i.e. without x11? sdl or framebuffer apps?
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[8:56] <RITRedbeard> ncursed? lol
[8:56] <mythos> cli, ncurses?
[8:56] <RITRedbeard> no idea
[8:57] <booyaa> nah no text mode
[8:57] <booyaa> anything that renders graphics
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[8:58] <booyaa> games tend to be in this space.. although ages ago i think links (not to be mistaken for lynx) could render images
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[8:58] <booyaa> reason i'm asking is to make googling easier
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[8:59] <Xark> booyaa: In general, or on Raspberry Pi?
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[8:59] <Xark> booyaa: In general (Linux) fbcons or svgadev (old). On RPi you can use OpenGL ES on an hardware "overlay" w/o X easily.
[9:00] <booyaa> rpi
[9:00] <booyaa> ah okay cheers will start googling those :D
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[9:01] <booyaa> looks like dosemu has a console mode (sorry the cat's out the bag now)
[9:01] <booyaa> interested in running emulators sans x11
[9:01] <Xark> booyaa: Also SDL (which can run w/o X or with X).
[9:02] <booyaa> i know wmost can do fullscreen but would prefer less layers
[9:02] <booyaa> had noidea sdl could do that, always associated sdl with console mode. that's useful to know esp if an app support it
[9:02] <Xark> booyaa: Have you tried the OpenGL example programs in /vc/opt/src?
[9:02] <booyaa> nah let me have a peek
[9:03] * booyaa is still using the dev vm so might not have it
[9:04] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[9:04] <booyaa> lo gordonDrogon
[9:04] * gordonDrogon uses SDL...
[9:05] <booyaa> Xark: not in the dev vm, but it comes bundle with the rpi images?
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[9:06] <Xark> It was on the default Debian image... (hello_triangle, hello_triangle2 and hello_video IIRC)
[9:07] <Xark> Quite nice "no layers of libraries" simple demos.
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[9:09] <gordonDrogon> hmm breakfast time I think.
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[9:10] <jardiamj> Hello guys!!
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[9:10] <jardiamj> My RPi doesn't want to boot today...
[9:11] <jardiamj> I had not done anything to it..
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[9:11] <jardiamj> just leftit alone for a couple of days, but now it doesn't boot with neither of my SDcards
[9:11] <Arch1mede> jardiamj: doh!!
[9:12] <booyaa> does the rpi have any led indicators? (still waiting for mine) stuff for power or network activity?
[9:12] <nid0> both
[9:12] <Arch1mede> booyaa: yes
[9:12] <nid0> 5 leds in total
[9:12] <jardiamj> the power light is the only that comes on
[9:12] <sundancer> what the hell? i flashed SD card with wheezy-beta from 18. june and it doesnt boot.. processes spawning to fast, disabling for 5 minutes
[9:13] <jardiamj> very dim
[9:13] <sundancer> and then it says no more processes left
[9:13] <Arch1mede> very dim power?
[9:13] <jardiamj> it's the same charger that I've always used
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[9:14] <Arch1mede> jardiamj: have you tried something else?
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[9:14] <Arch1mede> or stuck a phone on the charger for the rpi
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[9:15] <jardiamj> let me see
[9:15] <Jck_true> Anybody checked the quality of the line out? Is the sound quality acceptable?
[9:15] <jardiamj> my phone chargess normally with it
[9:17] <Jck_true> jardiamj: What does the rating on it say? Needs to more than 500mA
[9:18] <jardiamj> It looks like the power light is dying away
[9:18] <jardiamj> it's been working fine with that charger for a couple of months...
[9:18] <jardiamj> it came up once today, then restarted...
[9:18] <Silox|> Jck_true: More than 700mA *
[9:19] <jardiamj> and then just went off, and now it doesn't boot
[9:19] <Jck_true> Sounds like powerproblems
[9:19] <booyaa> come on dosemu! trying to get commander keen running in SDL mode.. still int he initialize drivers mode :D
[9:19] <jardiamj> and I can see how the power light just seem to be dying away
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[9:19] <jardiamj> it's even dimer now
[9:20] <jardiamj> I'm worried about my Pi now
[9:20] <zutto> Silox|: rpi runs with ~500mA
[9:20] <Silox|> zutto: It does? oO
[9:20] <_inc> its the power adapter
[9:20] <Silox|> That's not what it says on the website?
[9:20] <mrtime> WHat happens when you run your pi with 1000mA?
[9:20] <zutto> yes, if you dont use power-hungry usb devices
[9:20] <Silox|> mrtime: Nothing
[9:20] <_inc> nothing
[9:20] <mrtime> Ok :D
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[9:20] <Silox|> mrtime: It will work perfectly, the pi only "takes what it needs"
[9:20] <Jck_true> My cheap china one made the RaspPi boot but spit out kernel panic errors on USB etc
[9:20] <mrtime> Ok
[9:20] <Silox|> zutto: Aah, I see :3
[9:21] <jardiamj> _inc, do you think it's the power adapter?
[9:21] <Silox|> jardiamj: You should try a different adapter
[9:21] <zutto> jardiamj: your problem is on the SD card
[9:21] <_inc> yes
[9:22] <_inc> a dimming led means lowering current
[9:22] <Arch1mede> booyaa: what are you doing with dosemu?
[9:22] <_inc> lowering current means dying adapter
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[9:22] <harish> hi. any one using the openElec xbmc? it seems to work well for TED but for youtube it seems to be flashing.
[9:23] <jardiamj> I just tried another power adapter, it's not it..
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[9:23] <zutto> :|
[9:23] <jardiamj> I have two SDcards that used to work..
[9:23] <jardiamj> neither boot now
[9:23] <zutto> oh :l
[9:23] <_inc> power light?
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[9:23] <RITRedbeard> you have to give eben more money
[9:24] <_inc> could have killed the images with dodgy power
[9:24] <_inc> is the light all good?
[9:24] <jardiamj> dodgy power?
[9:25] <zutto> quite doubt that ;S have you done anything that could actually harm the components on the board?
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[9:25] <jardiamj> not lately...
[9:25] <_inc> is the light running on the new adapter?
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[9:26] <jardiamj> I had not done anything serious with it, just light some leds but it was working
[9:26] <jardiamj> the light is on, but as I said it's very dim
[9:27] <sundancer> i need suggestion what to do, i just flashed SD card with image found here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435 .. and the result is here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7955622/2012-06-29%2009.22.09.jpg
[9:27] <sundancer> the problem is i cant get linux to boot up properly
[9:28] <_inc> can't even read that :P
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[9:28] <zutto> jardiamj: do you have any multimeter around?
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[9:30] <jardiamj> zutto, yes I have one
[9:31] <zutto> great, http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
[9:32] <Gadgetoid> Hello World
[9:32] <Jck_true> sundancer: Tried reflashing it?
[9:32] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm having some trouble with serial, but it's extremely difficult to pinpoint the cause
[9:32] <sundancer> Jck_true: no :)
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[9:34] <Jck_true> sundancer: I would give that a quick shot - Has been working just fine for me
[9:34] <sundancer> Jck_true: thanx, will ty
[9:34] <sundancer> try*
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[9:38] <Jck_true> sundancer: Wait a second - You connected with HDMI?
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[9:38] <jardiamj> zutto, it reads 2.8
[9:38] <zutto> ..yeah, thats too low :E
[9:39] <RITRedbeard> yeah you need to send $20 to Eben Upton
[9:39] <RITRedbeard> 's address
[9:39] <RITRedbeard> and he'll fix it
[9:39] <zutto> shoo with your ebens!
[9:41] <zutto> jardiamj: so yeah, you should check the adapter/cable/power supply
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[9:42] <jardiamj> zutto, but how can I check that?
[9:42] <booyaa> reminds me i know to change tha batteries on my multimeter
[9:42] <booyaa> get the feeling i might need it :D
[9:42] <jardiamj> there is no place where to measure the voltage
[9:42] <Jck_true> Pin 1 and 3
[9:42] <booyaa> zutto: that's a useful link man
[9:43] <zutto> booyaa: yeah, the wiki has so much information on pretty much everything ;o
[9:43] <booyaa> it's a bit information overload :D
[9:43] * booyaa brain still hurts
[9:43] <zutto> jardiamj: yeah, checking those will be bit difficult.. but you could start with eliminating the power supply problem by sticking your pi to some other socket on your home
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[9:44] <zutto> actually, you can just stick your multimeter on the socket too.. assuming it can handle those voltages ;l
[9:45] <jardiamj> It looks like it's not giving me enough power..
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[9:46] <zutto> yeah
[9:46] <jardiamj> it might be the cable
[9:46] <jardiamj> because I changed the adapter but not the cable
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[9:47] <Jck_true> sundancer: You might wanna check this - https://github.com/asb/spindle/issues/86 - "Boot without attached HDMI doesn't work"
[9:47] <socialhapy> ??? Issue #86 on spindle (boddeke; 1w, 1d ago): does not boot without monitor
[9:47] <Arch1mede> didnt i say that like 30 mins ago?
[9:48] <zutto> jardiamj: look at the other adapters label to check that it says that it outputs 5v dc and 500++mA
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[9:51] <jardiamj> I cannot find another freaking adapter with more than 500 mA
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[9:52] <jardiamj> the one I am using says 700 mA
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[9:53] <zutto> hmh.. just making sure: you dont have any extra usb devices plugged in when you're trying to turn it on, right?
[9:53] <jardiamj> well I have to go to sleep now.. I'll check that out tomorrow
[9:53] <zutto> good night
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[9:53] <linuxboy> hey guys
[9:54] <RITRedbeard> hello linuxkid
[9:54] <linuxboy> someone who ordered their Pi ten days after me got their shipping notice already. I've emailed RS and asked if they have forgotten about me, but no response :/
[9:54] <linuxboy> any advice?
[9:55] <Jimmy06> wait
[9:55] <zutto> just keep waiting
[9:55] <Arch1mede> keep waiting
[9:55] <RITRedbeard> donate to the foundation
[9:55] <RITRedbeard> and it will appear!
[9:55] <`z> got my rpi after waiting for two months
[9:55] <`z> yay
[9:55] <zutto> RITRedbeard: y u so amd
[9:55] <Arch1mede> eventually
[9:55] <linuxboy> but this person was waaaay behind me in the queue
[9:55] <linuxboy> I thought they did it in order
[9:55] <jardiamj> but it seems weird that the adapter just suddenly today is not giving me enough power..
[9:56] <jardiamj> well... things go bad
[9:56] <Arch1mede> jardiamj: i thought you were going to sleep?
[9:56] <Jck_true> linuxboy: I ordered on the announcment date and only got mine monday so... It's up and downs
[9:56] <RITRedbeard> zutto, eben killed my friend chao
[9:56] <linuxboy> Jck_true: :/
[9:56] <RITRedbeard> in vietnam
[9:56] <linuxboy> Jck_true: what was your order number?
[9:56] <jardiamj> I am going to sleep, it's just that I hope my Pi is OK.. hahahahahaha
[9:57] <Jck_true> Order number? :|
[9:57] <zutto> RITRedbeard: your friend chao was dead long before he went to vietnam
[9:57] <Jck_true> Where do I check that
[9:57] <RITRedbeard> no
[9:57] <linuxboy> Jck_true: I got an email from RS saying "Order Confirmation - 21864"
[9:57] <Jck_true> Can't someone mute RITRedbeard?
[9:57] <RITRedbeard> He went to the village and killed all the men.
[9:57] <zutto> Jck_true: just use /ignore *!*@* and he'll shut up
[9:58] <Jck_true> linuxboy: 14315
[9:58] <linuxboy> Jck_true: you are ahead of me in the queue
[9:58] <RITRedbeard> It's a true story. Plus, you don't even know who Eben is, you just want to run XMBC or whatever because you're too frugal to build a NAS/HTPC box proper from x86 components.
[9:58] <linuxboy> :)
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[9:59] <booyaa> ouch
[9:59] <Jimmy06> my order was 45740 and i got mine yesterday
[9:59] <zutto> RITRedbeard: eben = european business ethics network
[9:59] <linuxboy> Jimmy06: I should have gotten mine already then
[9:59] <booyaa> i thought that was one fo the blokes on the rasp pi team?
[9:59] <booyaa> eben
[9:59] <zutto> booyaa: sssh
[9:59] <booyaa> :D
[9:59] <RITRedbeard> Right. Well, he killed my best friend in Vietnam.
[9:59] <RITRedbeard> Thus why I'm so "amd".
[9:59] <zutto> RITRedbeard: got any proof on that?
[10:00] <booyaa> heh getting big lebowski-vu
[10:00] <Jck_true> Anybody played with Touchscreen overlay films?
[10:00] <Jimmy06> im playing diablo 3 on mine
[10:00] <RITRedbeard> The mass grave with lyme in it, man.
[10:01] <`z> RITRedbeard, i love eating limes~
[10:01] <`z> s/~/!/
[10:01] <Jck_true> Considering to stick the a touchscreen film on a peice of plexiglass/acrylic and have some icons laser engraved on the backside
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Hi - what's up with the serial?
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[10:01] <RITRedbeard> But I'm gonna get Eben like Magneto gets Sebastian Shaw
[10:02] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I think I'm attempting to send too much, and it's not stopping me from doing so
[10:02] <Jck_true> Put the glass ontop of my stereo and use it as a control for the RPI running a streaming webradio
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[10:02] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Hm. Odd - not something I've noticed when serial programming the ATmegas..
[10:02] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I was sending ~3000 characters at 115200baud, and unless I add a delay of a few milliseconds between each serialPuts, it tends to get garbage as a result
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, sure it's not the recieving end?
[10:03] <zutto> RITRedbeard: you're not going to get eben, eben will get you
[10:03] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Nope, to be honest! and it could very well be
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, try cranking the baud rate down - that'll increase the effect on the sending side - it'll have to buffer more...
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> Nah, I'll kill him with my Allwinner A10
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, what's the reciever?
[10:04] <Syliss> i want an a10
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> How you like me now?
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> code x
[10:04] <RITRedbeard> bam!
[10:04] <Syliss> would love to use it with my lapdock
[10:04] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: that magical VGA board
[10:05] <zutto> lol, your a10 wont get you too far
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ah, ok, so no control over the recieving software...
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, got a link to it again - I'll have a look at it's manual...
[10:05] <Syliss> zutto: probably further then the pi
[10:05] <Syliss> depending
[10:06] <zutto> *cough* yeah.. rpi doesnt have wings :|
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, no wory - found it in hy history.
[10:07] <RITRedbeard> does the foundation do anything anymore?
[10:07] <RITRedbeard> I haven't heard anything from them
[10:07] <Syliss> lol
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Heh.. the Arduino sketch uses 9600 baud!
[10:07] <Syliss> i still like my pi though
[10:07] <Arch1mede> Syliss: mine is on its way
[10:07] <Syliss> cool
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[10:07] <Arch1mede> and i got my new ladock but no cables
[10:07] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yeah, not very good if you're trying to draw ASCII graphics at a reasonable framerate!
[10:07] <Arch1mede> err lapdock
[10:07] <Syliss> me too
[10:08] <RITRedbeard> what the hell?
[10:08] <RITRedbeard> I quote
[10:08] <Syliss> lol my lap dock has a uk keyboard
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, and the sketch they supply puts in a wait for each command - // 5ms at 9600, 20ms at 115200
[10:08] <RITRedbeard> "This is a great event if you are thinking about studying Computer Science at Cambridge (where else would you want to go!)"
[10:08] <Arch1mede> Syliss: yeah mine says the same thing
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, so 20mS for each command!!!
[10:08] <Syliss> i don't mind since it was $65 on amazon and i used gift cards.
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[10:09] <RITRedbeard> Umm, Berkley, MIT, Drexel, Cornell, RIT?
[10:09] <RITRedbeard> lol
[10:09] <RITRedbeard> Purdue
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[10:09] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: errr??? yeah perhaps I should have more thoroughly rtfm. I have waits in for most commands, but not for the sending of serial text
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[10:10] <RemyMartin> hey all!
[10:10] <Syliss> well nite all
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, oh, you using my serial code to drive that over the Pi's serial port? that's neat if you are!
[10:10] <booyaa> Syliss: nite dude!
[10:10] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yup, from Ruby!
[10:10] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: It's going pretty damned well thus far
[10:10] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I tip my hat to you, good sir, for your ongoing efforts!
[10:10] <RemyMartin> i totally just got my code to place an order with RS components and I needed to come somewhere to brag
[10:10] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm working on doing something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rogue_Unix_Screenshot_CAR.PNG
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, cheers! Do you want a serialPrintf for help with formatted stuff?
[10:11] <RemyMartin> people in my other irc channels know nothing about the raspb pi
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[10:11] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: serialPrintf might work for C/C++ users, but I imagine I'll have to do some wrapping judo to get that working in Ruby
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Ah rogue! Not played that for 20 years ...
[10:11] <Gadgetoid> Press Q to Quaff :D
[10:11] <RemyMartin> quick question: what is everyone else's experience with ordering through RS Components/Allied Electronics?
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> RemyMartin, mostly just works... I've ordered stuff in the past non Pi related.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> RemyMartin, but I'm in the UK....
[10:12] <RemyMartin> oh ha
[10:12] <RemyMartin> good shipping times?
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> next day.
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> when it's in-stock.
[10:13] <RemyMartin> obviously the pi ships at a different rate altogether
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's somewhat different.
[10:13] <RemyMartin> when i got the code I got all nervous cause I realized that I'll be waiting close to 3 months
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> RemyMartin, they told me 2-3 weeks when I odered after I got the code and it turned up 2-3 weeks later.
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> closet to 3 weeks IIRC.
[10:14] <RemyMartin> how long ago was that?
[10:14] * gordonDrogon ponders... 4 weeks ago?
[10:14] <RemyMartin> it seems that I'm hearing a massive flood has occurred since then
[10:15] * gordonDrogon checks invoice.. 31st May was when they took payment, so I suspect that was the dispatch day.
[10:16] <RemyMartin> i've gotta take things with a grain of salt cause i'm in the US
[10:16] <RemyMartin> but thanks for the input!
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> don't recall seeing any news of the floods affecting RS in the UK. some roads are blocked today though.
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[10:16] <gordonDrogon> but they'll be cloear by tomorrow probably.
[10:16] <RemyMartin> not literal floods
[10:17] <RemyMartin> i meant flood of interest
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> we've had a lot of rain...
[10:17] <RemyMartin> haha
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> heh.. sure - that's why there's the dealys - huge huge interest in it has swamped their manufacturing capacitys - bot hRS and Farnell...
[10:17] <nid0> there hasnt really been a flood of interest as such, theyre just decreasing the amount of time between registering interest and getting order links
[10:17] <nid0> meaning the delay shifts to after the order's been placed
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[10:22] <gordonDrogon> RemyMartin, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18627761
[10:23] <Gadgetoid> Oo, gordonDrogon, if I push my wiring Pi gem into github, would you prefer your code omitted?
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[10:24] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it's fine - it's all gpll'd so you can do what you want!
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[10:25] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: true, there's licensing, but then there's also respect!
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, probably best to keep it all together anyway so save people the effort of picing up bits here & there.
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[10:25] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I shouldn't imagine most people will compile the gem from source, it's more to make it better available for external contributions and scrutiny
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[10:26] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, sure.
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[10:29] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I've got to rewrite my Ruby wrapper over the weekend with best practise and all the juicy functions it requires, and then the most excellent gem will arrive!
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> not Pi related, but I need to power a 5V device (arduino) from batteries and solar and it seems a bit of a maze... I was looking at a 6V Sealed Lead acid battery - can buil a little charger for it from a 6-10V solar panel I have, but then I need an ultra low-loss regulator to feed the Arduino. Or I use LiPo with a commercial charger and boost circuit, but these only take 5-6 V inputs, so I'd need a low-loss regulator from the solar panel
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> regulator to the charger... any other suggestions? I think SLA is the way forward as hey might be better suited for outdoor use, but who knows...
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:31] <pmjdebru1jn> gordonDrogon: there's a #arduino too
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> pmjdebru1jn, ah, ok. might ask there, but it's really more of a power thing than system specific. There just doesn't seem to be a nice "fully connected" type of unit (other than ones I've found for Farm use which are stupidly expensive - ?250!)
[10:33] <pmjdebru1jn> gordonDrogon: sure, though I'd guess you'd find more expertise on that in #arduino (emphasis on guess)
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[10:34] <Xhinde> Anyone ever got 1080P movies with DTS working?
[10:34] <Xhinde> OpenElec and Raspbmc don't seem to work perfect =/
[10:36] <dmsuse> Xhinde: use the thingy player
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[10:36] <Xhinde> thingy?
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[10:36] <dmsuse> omxplayer :P
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[10:36] <Xhinde> omxplayer in xbmc?
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[10:37] <dmsuse> i have never used xbmc before i don't know
[10:37] <dmsuse> just asying omxplayer is the raspberrypi's media player and it plays videos flawlessly
[10:37] <dmsuse> *saying
[10:38] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: it lives: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPiGem/tree/master/ext/wiringpi
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[10:39] <Gadgetoid> Although I'd like to figure out how to add wiringPi as a separate repo and use a submodule setup to include the library files I need
[10:39] <_inc> *me starts to closely examine Gadgetoids code repository
[10:39] <_inc> fail
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[10:39] <Gadgetoid> _inc: much horrible SWIG-generated code for wrapping up in Ruby
[10:40] <_inc> all code is good code
[10:41] <Xhinde> thganks dmsuse
[10:41] <reider59> Today begins the spanish Inquisition.....Parents here at dinner time. Just a couple of bits n bobs to do. House looks so good I feel like moving somewhere else that`s more lived in ;-)
[10:41] <reider59> So do the gardens
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[10:43] <_inc> wiringpi.c is gordons i presume?
[10:43] <_inc> lovely formatting
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[10:44] <_inc> i need to
[10:44] <_inc> acquire job
[10:44] <_inc> acquire money
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[10:44] <_inc> spend money on pi
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[10:47] <Gadgetoid> _inc: got a better repo for you in a moment
[10:47] <Gadgetoid> _inc: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPi
[10:48] <Gadgetoid> _inc: yup
[10:49] <Gadgetoid> I'd say it's 99.9% Gordon's work :D
[10:49] <Gadgetoid> (wiringpiGem that is, not wiringpi)
[10:50] <Gadgetoid> Hopefully I can bring up the percentage of Ruby a bit, as there are quite a few helper functions to be had, and it needs set up as a proper module and not just a free floating class
[10:50] <dmsuse> what is wiringpi?
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Hurrah :)
[10:52] <_inc> sweet
[10:52] <_inc> dmsuse: a GPIO lib
[10:53] <Gadgetoid> dmsuse: it's a library that wraps up GPIO/Serial and other handy functions in a very arduino-like fashion
[10:53] <dmsuse> .B read
[10:53] <dmsuse> Read the digital value of the given pin and print 0 or 1 to represent the
[10:53] <dmsuse> respective logic levels.
[10:53] <dmsuse> is that possible without wiringpi ?
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, you can do most of it via the /proc/sys/glass/gpio interface.
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> *class
[10:54] <_inc> gordonDrogon: what did you code that with?
[10:54] <_inc> your classes are very tidy
[10:54] <dmsuse> kk thnx
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> what I did was put together something that might be more familiar to people moving from Aruino land to Pi land.
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> _inc, they're not 'classes' they're functions...
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[10:54] <gordonDrogon> _inc, but it's all more or less the same thing :)
[10:54] <_inc> gordonDrogon: they shovelled java on us in uni :P
[10:55] <reider59> I went to a function once, nice sandwiches ;-)
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> _inc, I'm an old fasioned functional/procedural programmer...
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> I did c++ once in a commercial environment for a year and didn't get on with it. Not touched it since...
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[10:56] <_inc> c++ or the commercial environment?
[10:56] <_inc> :)
[10:58] <dmsuse> nice work
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> _inc, wiringPi is pure C.
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> _inc, I worked for a PC games company for a year -- all their code was c++
[10:59] <_inc> gordonDrogon: sorry, i meant what editor or IDE :)
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> _inc, oh, I use vi and makefiles.
[10:59] <booyaa> pretty certain c++ is still lingua franca for games dev
[10:59] <_inc> oh yea, i heard about the games industry. very nasty environment
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, doesn't surprise me.
[10:59] <booyaa> it certainly was when ID cut their teeth
[11:00] <Ben64> real programmers use.....
[11:00] <booyaa> _inc: yeah makes normal IT looks a nuturing environment
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> This was some 14-15 years ago too - fastest PC we have was 333MHz with 384MB of RAM...
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> the dev. environment was standard MS Dev Studio at the time - on Win NT boxes...
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> my one year working with Microsoft products and I hated every moment of it.
[11:01] <booyaa> heh
[11:01] <booyaa> visual studio's come a long way
[11:01] <booyaa> having a real package manager is nice (nuget)
[11:02] <_inc> you remind me of the time when we were "taught" vb in highschool
[11:03] <dmsuse> ffs
[11:04] <Hourd> VB...
[11:04] * Hourd shudders
[11:04] <_inc> Hourd: your name is very familiar
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> I just never got on with IDEs.. What annoyed me was the insistence of running everything under a debugger by default - as if it were expected to write buggy code.
[11:04] <dmsuse> i ordered an adconverter chip thingy yesterday, it arrived today but its smaller than an ant :P :(
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, which one? (or a surface mount one?)
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[11:05] <dmsuse> ADC single SAR 200ksps 12-bit serial it says on their receipt :P
[11:05] <Hourd> gordonDrogon: vim + makefiles seems the way to go
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[11:06] <gordonDrogon> Hourd, I think it takes discipline, but it's really the way I've used for ... well since Makefiles were invented... and before that I used shell-scripts!
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, what's the actual chip ID?
[11:06] <_inc> i've been working on a vimrc for ages, and its just not setting in for me
[11:07] <dmsuse> ADS7841PG4 ?
[11:07] * oliebol loves Lazarus
[11:07] <_inc> do a breadboard breakout
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[11:08] <_inc> unless the image is deceiving, it looks standard size for an IC
[11:09] <dmsuse> the thing is like 7mm length :P no way it'll fit on a breadboard and yes it is deceiving :P
[11:09] <Hourd> _inc: i look familiar?
[11:09] <Mr_Sheesh> I do embedded stuff - Debuggers are less useful on real-time stuff - You cannot single step code that's doing real time access to another device (that would time out between steps - obviously :P)
[11:09] <Hourd> gordonDrogon: yeah i used to use shell scripts, can't remember why
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[11:09] <oliebol> Mr_Sheesh: most embedded platforms have cycle exact simulators for that
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[11:09] <oliebol> which can be debugged
[11:10] <_inc> Hourd: yes, I've seen that handle in uni
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[11:10] <Hourd> _inc: what uni?
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[11:10] <_inc> Aber
[11:10] <Hourd> funny that...
[11:11] <Hourd> :)
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[11:11] <Mr_Sheesh> oliebol - The other end usually doesn't (for example, a pump island controller talking with some other manufacturer's fuel tank monitor)
[11:11] <Hourd> _inc: what year are you? and I asume comp sci?
[11:11] <Mr_Sheesh> Timeouts suck, in that situation LOL
[11:11] <_inc> _inc BSc
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[11:12] <_inc> graduated yesterday
[11:12] <Hourd> _inc: oh =[ get what you wanted? :)
[11:12] * uen| is now known as uen
[11:12] <_inc> well, got the results :)
[11:12] <oliebol> Mr_Sheesh: stuff in a thread. Most advanced debuggers can only break certain threads (e.g. the business logic), and keep the "driver" threads running. I actually do that i my vision system all the time.
[11:13] <_inc> Hourd: everything but a job :)
[11:14] <Mr_Sheesh> A lot of the embedded stuff I've done doesn't have threads - RTOS that has to be "completely bug free" (as if that's perfectly possible LOL but we sure TRY!)
[11:14] <Mr_Sheesh> Not everything's a Windows App etc. LOL
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[11:15] * gordonDrogon mutters. stupid ADSL connection just bounced a few times.
[11:15] <_inc> Hourd: i will never see penglais hill ever again
[11:16] <_inc> i'm so glad i'm not limited to ADSL anymore
[11:16] <_inc> ADSL is so painful with flatmates on constant bitorrent mode
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> you need a router that can do decent traffic shaping / QoS
[11:19] <Hourd> _inc: yeah hence I have a flat for next year with just me and 1 other
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> Hm. coffee time... brb.
[11:20] <Mr_Sheesh> When is it NOT coffee time?!?
[11:20] <Hourd> mmm cokke cupcake
[11:20] <Hourd> *coffee
[11:22] <_inc> gordonDrogon: i had a router shared between 3 flats, 6 people
[11:22] <_inc> landlord paid for the internet which was cool, but the router was in my flat as we were on ground floor
[11:23] <_inc> so whenever there was a 'problem' they would come knocking on our door
[11:23] <Mr_Sheesh> Ack, that's the downside...
[11:23] * oliebol pats his glassfiber
[11:23] <Hourd> _inc: =[ sad times
[11:23] <_inc> so i acquired the password of the router (default draytek???.), bandwidth limited the lot and put everyone on QoS
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[11:25] <_inc> the guy would always complain that he can't get on the wifi, i would check the logs and yup, he could get on it alright, he just "couldn't get it on" with the constant buffering (if you catch my drift)
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[11:25] <_inc> :)
[11:26] <Hourd> _inc: were you only on an 8meg line too?
[11:26] <_inc> 4 meg negotiated
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[11:27] <_inc> it was a crying shame
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[11:30] <_inc> Hourd: the exchange in aber will be massively oversubscribed this year compared to last.
[11:30] <_inc> just like the accommodation spaces on campus
[11:30] <Hourd> _inc: I got put on some new hardware last year and got 8meg all the time
[11:31] <Hourd> apparently will get 18 this year
[11:31] <_inc> ADSL2?!
[11:31] <Hourd> yup
[11:31] <Hourd> its been installed in abotu half the town now
[11:31] <Hourd> started a few months ago
[11:31] <_inc> :(
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> _inc, yea, drayteks are OK for that stuff. I've used them in the past.
[11:32] <Hourd> i've only got an assortment of belkin modem/routers... :(
[11:32] <_inc> gordonDrogon: but they have this stupid annual subscription thingy which locks down some features, like updating firmware
[11:32] <_inc> plus the ISP was traffic shaping us crazy
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[11:33] <deebo> third world internet sucks
[11:33] <deebo> thank god i have 100Mbit at home
[11:33] <Hourd> I get <2meg where I am atm... tend to just tether my phone 24/7
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> _inc what ISP? although with that many people using BTorrent, I'm not surprised.
[11:33] <_inc> BT
[11:33] <markus_> i have 1Mbit/s for free from my job mobile.
[11:34] <markus_> unmetered
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> hopefully my exchange will get adsl2+ later this year although I'm happy with the 8Mb I get now.
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> deebo, this third world is the UK ..
[11:35] <deebo> indeed
[11:35] <nid0> mine's due to be getting fttc somewhere around a month ago
[11:35] <_inc> im happy with my fibre optic connection :)
[11:35] <nid0> no idea when thats actually happening
[11:35] <deebo> ive wanted to move abroad for a long time
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[11:35] <deebo> but i couldnt live with a slow internets anymore :P
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> the biggest issue is that no-one is prepared to pay the proper price for uncontended internet, so we all get rubbish contended stuff.
[11:35] <deebo> 100Mbit at home, straight out of the wall via rj45
[11:35] <markus_> me to. i have that
[11:35] <deebo> get cable too, i think those go up to like 250Mbits now
[11:35] <markus_> oo
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> proper uncontended costs about ?800 a month.
[11:36] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: how do you figure that?
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, that's what the carriers charge. that's how much is costs.
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> that's how much my clients pay.
[11:37] <dmsuse> then how come my colocation and dedi i get 1000gb traffic? for less than 40 quid per month?
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> entry level is about 400 a month for 10Mb.
[11:37] <nid0> dmsuse: because that's not remotely uncontended
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, your colo doesn't have to maintain copper/fibre down the road - it's all in one building.
[11:37] <nid0> and its in a rack where the connections are
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> same in my colo - I get a 100MB feed to my rack, but to get the same feed to my house would cost zillions.
[11:38] <dmsuse> my 3g connection gets better than landline connection :P
[11:38] <dmsuse> cant wait for 4g
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> and the difference between 100Mb on cable or FTTP vs. a proper uncontended leased line is phenomenal.
[11:39] <Mr_Sheesh> Not that hard to outdo POTS :P
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, the big issue with 4g is the backhaul to the base stations - 3g would be good enough if they improve the backhaul - they haven't.
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> It's an area i've done a lot of work in in recent years...
[11:39] <dmsuse> backhaul ?
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> I can get a 7Mb signal from my local base station, but I know they only have a single 2Mb line going into it...
[11:39] <nid0> the connection from the base station to the interweb
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> for example.
[11:40] <nid0> 14mbit 3g being broadcast from the base station to thousands of people is worthless if the base station's connected to a single adsl line to actually pass on that traffic
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> yea, only it's not an aDSL line - its bundles of 2Mb E1 lines.
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[11:41] <dmsuse> ah
[11:41] <dmsuse> you must have been on a crappy network like vodafone or o2 :P
[11:41] <nid0> or any other network
[11:41] <markus_> I get 100Mbit/s up/down for 27.24 EUR / month
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[11:41] <_inc> orange and tmobile are nothing to shout about
[11:41] <dmsuse> markus_: what cap?
[11:41] <markus_> dmsuse: no
[11:41] <dmsuse> orange and tmobile rule
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[11:42] <_inc> if you can get signal
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> I know three base stations that only have 2Mb to them...
[11:42] <dmsuse> they both are the same now, if orange doesnt have a signal tmobile will :P
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> but in-general, three has the best network for data right now.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> I have 18 months of data collected from a train running up& down the country :)
[11:43] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Are you ware of being able to get etherflow over FTTC tails ?
[11:43] <dmsuse> lol
[11:43] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: which network is it?
[11:43] <markus_> dmsuse: i mean there is none set
[11:43] <dmsuse> markus_: fair usage?
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, I know about it, but I live in ruralistan ...
[11:43] <Gadget-Mac> Interesting , do the TOC know about it ?
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, TOC - being train operating company? Sure. They paid us to do it.
[11:43] <markus_> dmsuse: dunno. i have not heard about anyone being capped
[11:44] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Get FTTC in privatley for the village ?
[11:44] <dmsuse> sounds alright :)
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, part of a project to put broadband on trains for cross country.
[11:44] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Cool.
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, hahahahahahah... I did a rural broadband project here 9 years ago. the company went bust.
[11:44] <_inc> whats that village i read about that are doing a co op ISP
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> and now look at things like Rutland ... the private co. did it, then BT came along and just installed their own thing after it, and from what I hear, persuaded the people to move to BT ...
[11:45] <Jck_true> <3 His 25/25 Fiber connection - Upgradeable to 1G up and down :)
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[11:45] <gordonDrogon> _inc, bt will be along once you have it working and wipe you out. that's what they did to us 9 year sago. They have a track record of it. Look at the Wisps that started up 9-10 years ago - none of them are still going.
[11:45] <Gadget-Mac> Unfortionaly that seems to be the way BT work, you have to have competition for them to do anything
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> I'm actualy happy with my 8Mb connection - what I want is lower contention and higher data caps, not higher speed.
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[11:46] <Gadget-Mac> data caps are an issue, esp if you want a decent ISP :)
[11:46] <dmsuse> im happy with my 4mb from tmobile :P
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[11:47] <gordonDrogon> I'm paying 25 a month +VAT for my connection. (plus the BT phone line on top of that) I think that's about the best I can get short of moving to AAISP.
[11:47] * nid0 <3's having no cap
[11:47] <Hourd> data caps suck
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> data caps are a reality for any ISP using the BT Wholesale network - any ISP who says otherwise will go out of business.
[11:47] <Jck_true> Capless too :)
[11:47] <Hourd> mainly because the charges for going over are stupid
[11:47] <Gadget-Mac> AAISP are great, but data charges can be prohibitive
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, indeed.
[11:48] <dmsuse> i looked at my data useage for a 1 week period the other month i used 24gb in one week
[11:48] <Gadget-Mac> Which is why I've just got a VM connection
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, I resell entanet connections - their network is OK, but their support is not as good as it could be.
[11:48] <Gadget-Mac> VM for the wife and kids, AAISP for me
[11:48] <Hourd> <3 my mobile phone contract. unlimited data
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> Hourd, unlimited, but contended. they own the backhaul, so are not paying BT per byte over it..
[11:48] <Gadget-Mac> Hourd: Are you sure about that ;)
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[11:49] <Hourd> Gadget-Mac: possitive :P
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[11:49] <gordonDrogon> that's the same as the LLU operators - they can offer unlimited because they're not paying someone else per byte transfered.
[11:49] <dmsuse> Hourd: how much you pay for that?
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> BT Wholesale charge the resellers per byte...
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[11:52] <_inc> once quantum entanglement comms become cheap, this stuff would all become a thing of the past
[11:53] <Gadget-Mac> Hourd: " So in essence there is a limit of how much data you can actually consume which is up to 1000GB. "
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> sub-ether radio :)
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[11:54] <gordonDrogon> and then there is the content providers- the big ones are OK, the little ones (like me) are still limited to lower speeds in the data centre - e.g. I "only" have 100Mb feeds into my rack ...
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[11:54] <gordonDrogon> although my own servers internall have Gb connections (mostly)
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[11:55] <_inc> i wonder if there will be a market for a pi datacentre
[11:55] <_inc> hackaday will be all over that
[11:56] <Gadget-Mac> _inc: Can't see how that would work ?
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> Pi's just don't have the IO to make it work.
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[11:57] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: I'd pay a modest amount for such a service.
[11:57] <nid0> shove a load of pis into a 2u case. would certainly be do-able, but a pure gimmick, no practical purpose to it
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> I have a few Atoms hosted though - they seem OK for the tasks they're doing.
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, to have a Pi in a datacentre???
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: yes
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, well my entry level for a hosted server is ?80 a month...
[11:57] <nid0> SpeedEvil: There's a datacentre 2 minutes walk from here, want me to go hook one of my pis up?
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:58] <_inc> googleplex :)
[11:58] <Hourd> Gadget-Mac: 1000GB would be impressive in a month on 3g
[11:58] <_inc> theres an old bunker where I am, found it as a kid and had a loadddd of old BT equipment in it
[11:59] <_inc> just abandoned
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> there are practical considerations though - it's a fun idea though - e.g. screen/console access - IP KVMs are all VGA from what I've seen, however a serial console is a possibility if you get a 3.3 to rs232 convertor on it... Then there's storage - nfs to a store, or local disk via USB ... then mounting it, etc.
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> _inc, buy it!
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: That's more than I pay for food.
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, yea :) Who said hosting was cheap :)
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, tell you what, send me a Pi and I'll give it an IP address off my ADSL connection :)
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, actually only joking there...
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> however I do have a space IP address - maybe I'll put one of mine online...
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> *spare
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> loads of IPv6 though..
[12:02] <_inc> gordonDrogon: here it is
[12:02] <_inc> http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/51116-Wenallt-Anti-Aircraft-Operations-Room-(AAOR)-Cardiff
[12:02] <_inc> destroyed by chavs now
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[12:04] <Mr_Sheesh> What does "chav/pikey activity" mean?
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[12:05] <Mr_Sheesh> Must be some Brit slang, as it's not familiar to us USians :P
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> _inc, intersting... someone must own it though...
[12:05] <_inc> think redneck
[12:05] <_inc> gordonDrogon: afaik still BT
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> pikey is often considered racist though...
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> but being recycled to mean a bit dodgy, verging on the illegal, etc.
[12:06] <_inc> gordonDrogon: that place is massive, he didn't go very deep
[12:07] <_inc> its like the military depot at the end of indianna jones
[12:07] <_inc> miles and miles of cabinets
[12:07] <Mr_Sheesh> Easier to just say "Vandalism" wouldn't it be?
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> such an old word, "vandalism" ...
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Sheesh, https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=chavscum&hl=en&sa=X&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=433tT-ajBsjA0QXxjMDmDQ&ved=0CGEQsAQ&biw=1043&bih=862
[12:07] <booyaa> pikey's racist
[12:08] <booyaa> calling someone a chav is being snob
[12:08] <booyaa> bit like picking on hipsters
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[12:09] <Mr_Sheesh> gordonDrogon - But my neighbors aren't in the UK!? LOL
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[12:13] <ker2x> friendly greetings \o/
[12:15] <ker2x> i dd'd the debian image from element14 to the sdcard, inserted the sd in the 'pi, plugged the power and... nothing.
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[12:15] <nid0> literally nothing whatsoever?
[12:16] <ker2x> well, the red "ok" light is here
[12:16] <dmsuse> try a different sd card
[12:16] <nid0> red power light, or green ok light?
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[12:17] <ker2x> i'm not sure, i think the green led is on, but very faint
[12:18] <ker2x> i plugged screen (with hmdi->dvi), usb keyboard and mouse, and ethernet
[12:18] <ker2x> the screen is blank
[12:19] <`z> does anyone know where to buy a hmdi cable?
[12:19] <`z> ???
[12:19] <ker2x> any shop selling tv ?
[12:19] <mjr> ker2x, experiment without the USB devices
[12:19] <ker2x> same
[12:20] <nid0> you still get nothing at all with no usb devices plugged in?
[12:20] <ker2x> indeed
[12:20] <nid0> try rewriting the sd card
[12:20] <ker2x> okidoki
[12:20] <nid0> if still nada, then as dmsuse suggested, try a different card
[12:21] <mjr> also wiggle the card a bit to avoid contact issues
[12:21] <nid0> you could also try the wheezy beta image rather than the old squeeze, it includes compatibility fixes for some sd cards
[12:22] <ker2x> it's a 8GB Class10 sandisk
[12:23] <frankivo> class10 is problematic, I believe
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> right. got to pop out to see a client.... do I stick with shorts, or put trousers on... bah. it's summertime (alledgedly!)
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> metcheck says 'scorchio' for this afternoon, so shorts it is...
[12:24] <booyaa> gordonDrogon++ # fast show
[12:24] <Hourd> greg_nux: shorts++
[12:24] <booyaa> boutras boutras gali(sp)
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[12:25] <booyaa> (un secretary generals)++ # for having the kick ass names
[12:25] <ker2x> i think i have a class6 somewhere in my camera bag
[12:25] <ker2x> class4
[12:25] <booyaa> woah how annoying there's sd cards that don't like certain distros?
[12:26] <booyaa> PNY 16GB class 10 doesn't work with squeeze or arch
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:26] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: you mean certain distros which don't like those SD cards??? it's probably more likely to be the firmware/kernel than anything in the distro itself
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> before I vanish for a while, does anyone have a link to that I2C driver thingy for a 1-wire bus? I've forgotten who mentioned it yesterday...
[12:27] <`z> pnys
[12:27] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: The one buried in bootc's kernel, or...?
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I meant the physical interface board with the i2c chip on it which acts as a 1-wire busmaster device...
[12:27] <ker2x> sudo dd if=debian6-19-04-2012.img of=/dev/mmcblk0
[12:27] <ker2x> look good ?
[12:28] <Gadgetoid> Ohrly! that just whooshed over my head ;)
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> I think it was Gadget-Mac who mentioned it yesterday... there is mention of it on the rpi forums, but I've not finding it
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[12:28] <Aldasa> ker2x is that the latest deb image?
[12:29] <ker2x> i don't know, it's the one i got from element14
[12:29] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon / Gadgetoid this http://raspberrypi.homelabs.org.uk/i2c-connected-1-wire-masters/
[12:29] <Gadget-Mac> Which I'm intending on turning into a nice little add-on board http://raspberrypi.homelabs.org.uk/raspberrypi-1-wire-expansion/
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> that's the one, thanks!
[12:30] <ker2x> it's the same as http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[12:30] <Gadget-Mac> Although possibly as a single channel version in the first instance :)
[12:30] <Gadgetoid> Hmm shiny
[12:30] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Happy to have any comments / suggestion before I do the final design :)
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[12:39] <ker2x> am i supposed to have something on the screen if i boot without sd card ?
[12:40] <ker2x> well, if i "power on" :)
[12:40] <_inc> nothing
[12:40] <ker2x> ok good
[12:42] * Xark 's Pi Box with serial hookup http://imgur.com/xe3Jp Not too shabby. :)
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[12:43] <ker2x> The R-Pi needs a supply rated for 700 mA or more. <- ho ?
[12:43] <ker2x> hummmmmm
[12:43] <ker2x> that may be my problem too
[12:44] <ker2x> i'm using my laptop as powersource =^_^=
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[12:46] <SpeedEvil> ker2x: It depedns - that may work OK.
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> But if you have no SD - it will do nothing
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> Well - the power light will go on.
[12:46] <Xark> ker2x: Likely an issue. If you use USB you probably at least need one of those double socket Y cables (2x500ma power).
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> Try it.
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[12:48] <ker2x> i dd'ing on a new sdcard. class 4 si *slow* !%@#
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[12:50] * _inc thinks the people need an OSS design tablet
[12:50] <raspnoob> it's possible to connect the iPod Video 5G screen to the Raspberry Pi?
[12:51] <ker2x> yay \o/
[12:51] <ker2x> it was the sdcard
[12:52] <Gadgetoid> raspnoob: isn't the pinout on that screen absolutely horrifying?
[12:52] <raspnoob> i don't know, Gadgetoid
[12:53] <Gadgetoid> raspnoob: I looked into it, didn't like what I saw??? ran for the hills!
[12:53] <raspnoob> ups
[12:53] <ker2x> hum... root/raspberry ?
[12:53] <raspnoob> then
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[12:53] <raspnoob> what screen is the better for the RPi?
[12:53] <ker2x> ha, pi
[12:54] <ker2x> and qwerty layout :D
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[12:54] <Tachyon`> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18636266
[12:56] * ker2x sing the raspberry pi completed installation victory song \o/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YCN-a0NsNk
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[12:57] <booyaa> ker2x: yay!
[12:57] <ker2x> \o/
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[13:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cseTX_rW3uM <- not RPi but still awesome
[13:18] <ker2x> http://photochrome.over-blog.com/raspberry-pi-at-overblog-o ya \o/
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[13:22] <gordonDrogon_> need to work out that IRC connetion relay thing who's name I've forgotten...
[13:22] <ker2x> RaTTuS|BIG: nice ^^
[13:22] <ker2x> i mean, wow !
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[13:29] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: ZNC ?
[13:31] <dmsuse> i think im going insane
[13:32] <ker2x> i can safely apt-get upgrade, isn't it ?
[13:33] <frankivo> yes
[13:33] <ker2x> thx
[13:34] <gordonDrogon_> znc...
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[13:42] <dmsuse> how long do farnell usually take to deliver when order is marked as shipped?
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[13:51] <Megaf> Yay, I just ordered my Raspberry! =D
[13:51] <dmsuse> only just?
[13:52] <Xark> Megaf: Right on, did you get an expected ship date?
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[13:53] <Megaf> just 27,61 pounds, not expensive at all. :)
[13:54] <Megaf> Xark, despatch expected within 11 weeks
[13:54] <Xark> Megaf: Well, the wait is getting a bit shorter I guess. :)
[13:55] * ker2x apt-get install xaos \o/
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[13:58] <IT_Sean> Ahoyhoy
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[14:07] <Niall> Hey guys, I have a code to order from RS. Anyone want it?
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[14:10] <Niall> Hey guys, I have a code to order from RS. Anyone want it?
[14:11] <Gadgetoid> Niall: I know someone who would
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[14:12] <Gadgetoid> Niall: not sure if they'd accept a code, and they've just gone on holiday though
[14:12] <Niall> Ah
[14:12] <Gadgetoid> Bit of a failboat that :D
[14:13] <Gadgetoid> Wait time is something crazy like 10 weeks now, isn't it?
[14:13] <Niall> 12 from the date of invitation to order
[14:13] <Megaf> Gadgetoid, 11 actually
[14:14] <Gadgetoid> Megaf: yikes
[14:14] <reider59> 10 weeks n 6 days I heard ;-)
[14:15] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, lovely Ruby serial: s = WiringPi::Serial.new('/dev/ttyAMA0',9600)
[14:15] <Gadgetoid> s.serialPuts('hello world!')
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[14:27] <Gadgetoid> Can't help but think I should make all the GPIO methods private, too
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[14:38] <ker2x> hummmmmm
[14:38] <ker2x> perhaps compiling that qt project wasn't a great idea
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[14:40] <booyaa> on the rpi?
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[14:46] <ker2x> booyaa: yup
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[14:47] <ker2x> hummmm
[14:47] <hermanhermitage> ah friday evening at last
[14:47] <ker2x> is there a swap by default on the debian rpi install ?
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[14:48] <ker2x> i wish i could check if my X wasn't completly frozen :)
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[14:49] <booyaa> ker2x: ouch, have you got a cross compiler setup? failing that the dev vm?
[14:49] <booyaa> would be better use of your rpi's time
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[14:50] <ker2x> cross ? nope
[14:50] <booyaa> one sec...
[14:50] <ker2x> qt work well on arm
[14:50] <booyaa> you'll need virtualbox + exts to run it
[14:50] <booyaa> ker2x: dunno would assume so
[14:50] * the_cuckoo is happy - picked up a usb hub which can power the pi and other devices for 10 euro - belkin fsu234
[14:51] <booyaa> ker2x: if you've got a reasonable fast computer, nab this virtual boximage
[14:51] <booyaa> http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi#downloadcenter
[14:51] <booyaa> compile stuff for the rpi on your main computer it'll be quicker
[14:52] <booyaa> also i suspect (basing this on my experiences with a small foot print vps) you'll prolly run out of memory during compilation
[14:53] <ker2x> i rebooted. well, there is no swap by default (good!)
[14:53] <booyaa> is there no debian package for qt? would've thought there would be
[14:53] <ker2x> there is, i'm not compiling qt, just a qt project :)
[14:53] <booyaa> ah aokay :D
[14:54] <ker2x> long time ago i compiled the whole qt on a 486, it took 2 days :D
[14:54] <booyaa> ouch
[14:55] <ker2x> yup, a good old almost dead 486 running slackware
[14:55] <ker2x> it was fun
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[14:56] <booyaa> heh 486s :D
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[14:57] <booyaa> 386 and 486 came in two forms right? one with and without fpu?
[14:57] <booyaa> sx and dx
[14:57] <frankivo> model name : Pentium III (Katmai)
[14:57] <frankivo> 14:55:45 up 155 days, 23:40, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.04, 0.05
[14:57] <frankivo> :P
[14:57] <booyaa> gtfo!
[14:57] <booyaa> ;)
[14:57] <frankivo> :(
[14:57] <ker2x> if i remember correctly the fpu chip was name "487"
[14:58] <ker2x> named*
[14:58] <booyaa> model name? is that from /proc/cpuinfo?
[14:58] <frankivo> yea
[14:58] <booyaa> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5440 @ 2.83GHz
[14:58] <ker2x> well, i still have that control data cyber 910 and some sparc station 1
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[14:58] <booyaa> but i'm sharing (vps)
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[15:00] <booyaa> and my uptime is crap
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[15:00] <frankivo> 155 isnt too special either :p
[15:00] <Peanut> ker2x: ever did assembly on the Sparc's? Those were great chips *sigh*
[15:00] <frankivo> also planning to replace with PI :P
[15:00] <booyaa> frankivo: i approve of this ;)
[15:00] <ker2x> http://hardware.majix.org/computers/sgi/cdc.shtml i had the 910 that was a rebranded IRIS 3000, running a 68k so Irix couldn't run on it. the OS was named "GL2-W3.6"
[15:01] <ker2x> Peanut: nope
[15:01] <booyaa> i wonder how long before people start to port non linux os to rpi?
[15:01] <booyaa> i'd like to see beos, freebsd on board
[15:01] <ker2x> netbsd \o/
[15:01] <arfonzo> booyaa: there is already work in the Haiku community.
[15:01] <booyaa> awesome
[15:02] <arfonzo> It's very early days, tho. Haiku doesn't boot on the RPi, yet.
[15:02] <booyaa> haiku is that abit amiga/workbenchish?
[15:02] <arfonzo> No, BeOS.
[15:02] <booyaa> ah okay
[15:02] <ker2x> BeOS isn't x86 only, isn't it ?
[15:02] <ker2x> is*
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[15:02] * booyaa would like to see rpi emulating an dcpu-16
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[15:03] <booyaa> if you were playing hardcore you'd be doing using the rpi on a battery pack :D
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[15:03] <ker2x> :D
[15:03] <arfonzo> ker2x: no, however it has not been widely ported to many architectures. PPC works, for example.
[15:03] <Gadgetoid> Ain't no queue for the summer booze!
[15:03] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: what's on the pumps?
[15:03] * booyaa had a lovely father time and a half of brakspear
[15:04] <chris_99> oh i love father time
[15:04] * booyaa loves working in dev, we get to go out on boozy lunches :D
[15:04] <chris_99> haha
[15:04] <ker2x> well, actually, if you want to be harcore you want to run a mainframe Emulator on r-pi : http://www.hercules-390.org/
[15:04] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: haha, indeed :D
[15:05] * MrZYX|off is now known as MrZYX
[15:05] <booyaa> amazing isn't it... ages ago computers took up a frigging room
[15:05] <booyaa> now they fit in our pockets
[15:05] <netman87> games for RPi + debian plz
[15:05] <booyaa> netman87: vice, dosbox and mame run on rpi
[15:06] <Gadgetoid> It's now practically a requirement to be at least slightly drunk when operating a computer
[15:06] <ker2x> quake3 :)
[15:06] <booyaa> i've got vice working in the stock debian
[15:06] <booyaa> technically dosbox is working too although commander keen hasn't moved beyond the initialisation screen
[15:06] * booyaa has seen screenshots of mame
[15:06] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: safer, less mistakes lolz
[15:06] <arfonzo> booyaa: how well do MAME emulators run?
[15:07] <ker2x> i'm planning to learn arm asm, compute fractal, and play with fortran. Also, i'm exploring the capabilities to eventually run the r-pi in production in a datacenter :)
[15:07] <booyaa> arfonzo: haven't had a chance to play with it yet. i suspect it'll be okay so long as you've not got something that needs chd
[15:07] <netman87> hmm, i have ps3 wireless controller and videoprojector... snes emulator would be cool but ps3 controller need some custom packages to work
[15:07] * booyaa had mame running on his nokia n90(5?)
[15:08] <booyaa> no sound, but 1943 was sweet
[15:08] <booyaa> infact i've even run mame on a zaurus
[15:08] * booyaa will have to dust his off to play with the rpi. they can be friends
[15:08] <Gadgetoid> ker2x: Pi is pretty much already datacenter stable, if you don't do anything with it :D
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[15:09] <booyaa> i do know someone was working on servers based on arm chips for when people need lower power footprints
[15:09] <booyaa> trying to remember who they were again
[15:09] <ker2x> you don't need lot of power to run an haproxy
[15:10] <ker2x> however, network latency is sensitive
[15:10] <drazyl> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/29/dell_copper_arm_server/
[15:10] <ker2x> if the network controler is "so-so". it's bad
[15:11] <booyaa> man that is so cute
[15:11] <booyaa> they look like hard drives
[15:12] <ker2x> http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2012/06/27/facebook-server-storage-designs/
[15:12] <booyaa> 192 cores
[15:12] <booyaa> yow
[15:12] <booyaa> i wonder how long before we our own grid of rpis
[15:12] <booyaa> a private version of seti@home :D
[15:12] <booyaa> it'd be pokey though
[15:12] <ker2x> i'll probably build a cluster of 2 or 3 rpi
[15:13] <booyaa> what do people use to bench mark linux boxes nowadays?
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[15:13] <ker2x> for now the main problem is the availability of rpi
[15:13] <booyaa> yeah
[15:13] * c000 is now known as hermanhermitage
[15:13] <ker2x> ordered in march, got it this monday :)
[15:14] * SpeedEvil is now being annoyed with the availability of the nexus 7
[15:14] <Veryevil> they already sold out pre-orders?
[15:14] <Veryevil> (of the Nexus 7)
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> I ordered, and it was saying 2-3 weeks
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> (UK)
[15:15] <Veryevil> yeah they arnt out yet
[15:15] <Veryevil> mid july is the release date
[15:15] * ker2x use the Nexus One
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> I have since become annoyed that there is no flash on the device.
[15:15] <booyaa> you'd have thought you'd be use to lead time after playing with an rpi ;)
[15:16] * Peanut has the power supply, cables, SD-card, everything at home - turns out I didn't have a card reader to create the image with. But as soon as I get home from work, I'm going to boot my Pi.
[15:16] <NucWin> anyone who has not ordered a pi yet and is planning on doing so get it from rs-online and not farnell
[15:16] <NucWin> farnells communication is shocking
[15:16] <hermanhermitage> really?
[15:16] * Peanut has already spent more on peripherals than on the RPI itself.
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> RSs was pretty shocking too
[15:16] <hermanhermitage> i had joy out of farnell but not rs
[15:17] <hermanhermitage> so i think its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other
[15:17] <Peanut> I never considered you could order from both and get two.. *feeling greedy now*
[15:17] * booyaa is oping to get an invite email in about 18 days time
[15:17] <NucWin> well i gave farnel my cc details months ago never heard anything from them
[15:17] <booyaa> Peanut: that's what my coworker did which is why i'll getting his spare
[15:18] <NucWin> today ive got a one line email saying its been shipped
[15:18] <NucWin> with rs when i gave cc details i got a rough shipping date then on shipping i got tracking info etc
[15:19] <NucWin> i ordered from rs about 6 week ago got pi after 5
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[15:19] <NucWin> said 3-4 weeks on expected ship date
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[15:19] <NucWin> from farnell i ordered about 3 months ago and heard nothing untill today
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[15:20] <adammw111> Hi, is there any way to silence some of the bcm2708_fb_check_var and other similar kernel messages?
[15:21] <nemo> Peanut: I was able to avoid buying peripherals luckily :)
[15:22] <nemo> Peanut: SD card reader was in laptop, cable was in box of old USB cables I had from various random digital stuff over the years
[15:22] <nemo> and a few spare keyboards lying around
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[15:22] <nemo> HDMI cables. also plenty of those :)
[15:22] <Peanut> I ordered mine on april first from Farnell, then on the 3rd of April I got 'Good luck, you can now order your RP' - on the 27th of April I got "Good news - Delivery of your RPI" (End of June), got another mail on the 20th saying that it would unfortunately be dispatched in the week starting July 2nd, then on the 22th I got an email that it shipped. Who knows, I might get another one next week...
[15:23] <ker2x> :)))
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[15:25] <NucWin> ummmm i could do with ordering another hdmi cable now ive got another pi on the way
[15:25] <NucWin> my bag of 1000 components and breadboards etc arrive today so looking forward to some gpio fun next week
[15:26] <ker2x> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c2Vb7CqTdc \o/ \o/
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[15:26] <ker2x> anyone tried to mate an r-pi and an arduino ?
[15:27] <_inc> NucWin: where did you purchase said bag from?
[15:27] <Peanut> And what kind of offspring did that get?
[15:27] <NucWin> fleebay
[15:27] <NucWin> ??20 aprox
[15:27] <NucWin> not bad deal want url?
[15:28] <ker2x> anyone played with this http://micromegacorp.com/umfpu-v3.html ?
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[15:28] <_inc> NucWin: please
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[15:28] <NucWin> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ELECTRONIC-COMPONENTS-KIT-BUMPER-BAG-OF-COMPONENTS-1000-all-new-components-/120851542245?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item1c235030e5
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[15:28] <ker2x> i have 2 of them. i'll try to plug them on the r-pi sooner or later :)
[15:29] <Peanut> *lol* an FPU with SPI interface? That's going to really add blazing performance...
[15:29] <NucWin> same seller has some little breadboards
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[15:30] <teh_orph> SPI connected FPU, amazing
[15:30] <_inc> RS are so silly
[15:30] <_inc> they have offered me another pi from the same one registration
[15:30] <_inc> just now
[15:30] <NucWin> lol
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[15:31] <NucWin> and the rs system seemed better than farnells. i ordered off someone elses code on farnell
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[15:32] <ker2x> Peanut: well, originally i bought them for the arduino
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[15:33] <ker2x> it can handle gps data (nmea), string handling, fft
[15:33] <ker2x> it's an odd thingy
[15:34] <_inc> NucWin: that merchant is awesome, thanks
[15:34] <Veryevil> teh_orph: what about a SPI connected FPU?
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[15:34] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[15:34] <ker2x> Veryevil: that http://micromegacorp.com/umfpu-v3.html
[15:35] <teh_orph> cool company name: micro mega corp
[15:35] <Veryevil> ha ha its a joke right? right?
[15:35] <ker2x> how, there is a 64bit fpu announced
[15:35] <ker2x> http://micromegacorp.com/umfpu64.html
[15:36] <teh_orph> it's got a lot of IO...just look at the right of the diagram!
[15:36] <Veryevil> teh_orph: hows work going?
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[15:37] <Peanut> Also odd: they talk about 'the precision required for GPS navigational calculations' as if you were actually processing raw GPS data, and at the same time it can parse NMEA data.
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[15:39] <ker2x> hummmmmmm... Fragmentarium compiled succesfully. i just have some OpenGL shader issues, when running
[15:39] <ker2x> not bad at all
[15:41] <SSilver2k2> ugh, parsing NMEA data
[15:41] <SSilver2k2> my first real job had me writing scripts to decode that data
[15:41] <SSilver2k2> *shudders*
[15:41] <SSilver2k2> the scripting was fine, just those memories coming back???.shuddershudder
[15:42] <cehteh> nmea is quite simple, isnt it?
[15:42] <ker2x> Mesa 7.7.1 implementation error: Infinite loop detected in fragment program
[15:42] * ker2x sigh
[15:42] <booyaa> black mesa?
[15:42] <markus_> it will only take four seconds according to linus
[15:42] <Veryevil> teh_orph: any progress on X or been to busy still?
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[15:44] <ker2x> Pffffffft... i tell a friend "i got my raspberry-pi up'n running" and he reply with "i just received my 2 FusionIO ioDrive II" :'(
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[15:46] <SSilver2k2> so, is there any way to tell which output you're using? can i progmatically tell if im connected via HDMI or composite
[15:47] <booyaa> $30/gb ratio
[15:47] <booyaa> i think ssd is at the $2/gb at the mo?
[15:47] <booyaa> that was for those fusionio
[15:47] <booyaa> drives
[15:50] <ker2x> yes, hyperexpensive
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[15:52] <booyaa> 92x faster than a 10k hdd
[15:53] <booyaa> 9.2x faster than it's nearest competitor
[15:53] <booyaa> that's terrifying
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[15:54] <ReggieUK> g'morning all
[15:54] <haltdef> my 256GB SSD cost ??145
[15:54] <haltdef> well chuffed with it :P
[15:55] <haltdef> I remember paying that for a 64GB one
[15:55] <ker2x> a fusion io usually cost around $12k
[15:55] <ker2x> and it's not the most expensive
[15:55] <haltdef> those pci-e monsters?
[15:55] <ker2x> yup
[15:55] <Peanut> I could use a few of those...
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[15:56] <ker2x> :D
[15:56] <markbook> so what we really need to do is mate the least expensive computer available with the most expensive storage?
[15:56] <booyaa> ReggieUK: afternoon! you abroad or an early riser ;)
[15:56] <ReggieUK> nope
[15:57] <ReggieUK> I got up about midday ish
[15:57] <ker2x> markbook: well, you could probably mount it over iSCSI :)
[15:57] <ReggieUK> ergo still morning as far as I am concerned
[15:58] * markbook has been thinking about how to get a pi to boot something that the chain a PXE boot.
[15:58] <dwatkins> markbook: they have a couple rows of storage at LRZ that you might like for that, it's about 4 Petabytes.
[15:58] <Peanut> I read about someone netbooting the Pi - but then on the second reboot, it wouldn't.
[15:59] <Peanut> dwatkins: bummer, I really need 6 PB.
[15:59] <rm> sooooo
[15:59] <dwatkins> Peanut: they might have upgraded it now, I was there a few years back
[15:59] <rm> does anyone from US or Canada want an ordering link to Allied Electronics
[15:59] <rm> for free
[15:59] <dwatkins> Peanut: http://www.lrz.de/services/compute/museum/hlrb2/
[15:59] <Peanut> (Currently trying to get quotes from tape-library vendors for 6PB of storage. Very much PRI unrelated).
[15:59] <markbook> you'd have to find a way to load something like grub and then have it chain-load either an OS on the remaining SD or something from net.
[16:00] <SSilver2k2> morning Reggie
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[16:01] <elko> hi there, can anyone suggest a working keyboard?
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[16:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> elko what country are you in
[16:04] <dwatkins> I use my Dell one which was supplied with the PC I bought many years ago, elko - are you looking to buy a keyboard, or could it be you don't have enough current?
[16:04] <JBartlett_> elko, I'm using microsoft wireless 3000 keyboard and mouse, works perfectly
[16:07] <elko> i tried both microsoft arc keyboard and roccat arvo. first one is wireless and second one seems to demand too much current. i'm from germany
[16:08] <elko> i tried them via a powered hub in debian, arch, openelec and raspbmc
[16:08] <elko> none worked flawlessly
[16:08] <elko> it's a bummer :(
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[16:08] <ker2x> http://photochrome.over-blog.com/fragmentarium-on-raspberry-pi woot \o/
[16:09] <ReggieUK> hi SSilver2k2 :)
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[16:09] <ker2x> a mandelbrot from the gpu :)
[16:09] <yggdrasil> whats up
[16:10] <elko> JBartlett_: i sold the 3000er couple of months ago... :(
[16:10] <yggdrasil> With the development of GPS controlled drones, far-reaching cheap radio equipment and tiny new computers like the Raspberry Pi, we???re going to experiment with sending out some small drones that will float some kilometers up in the air. This way our machines will have to be shut down with aeroplanes in order to shut down the system. A real act of war.
[16:10] <yggdrasil> the pirate bays take on the raspi
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[16:12] <Adya> Hi:)
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[16:12] <dwatkins> yeah, yggdrasil, that was on April 1st, iirc ;)
[16:12] <ker2x> and how are they planning to power the quadcopter ?
[16:12] <SSilver2k2> the same way i power my raspberry Pi, with my own self esteem
[16:12] <yggdrasil> hehe
[16:12] <booyaa> it's all fun until someone lets of the emf bomb
[16:12] <Adya> Now I can get my third one RasPi from Allied electronics:)
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> Floating in the air doesn't really work.
[16:13] <yggdrasil> are they allowing more orders Adya
[16:13] <yggdrasil> ?
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> You for mall devices need a lot of power to maintain your position in the air, in the face of wind.
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> small
[16:13] <yggdrasil> why do they have to maintain thier position
[16:13] <Adya> Y??
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[16:13] <yggdrasil> just let em float. they will be harder to atack
[16:13] <Adya> Yggdrasil, what do you mean?
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> yggdrasil: Because otherwise they blow over the ocean.
[16:14] <ker2x> hummmmmmm
[16:14] <dwatkins> or into a cliff
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[16:14] <yggdrasil> not if they are high enough
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> yggdrasil: The number of aerostats you would need - if each could cover a 10km area, and they need to be randomly dispersed over earth is high
[16:14] <dwatkins> also, the cost in terms of power and financial cost to have a drone on the internet makes this a ridiculous idea
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[16:15] <ker2x> glxgears run at 14FPS, i'm wondering if i have the hardware acceleration. it feel like running in software GL
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> yggdrasil: I'm involved with a group that regularly sends balloons to 40km.
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> There is (a lot) of wind up there.
[16:15] <yggdrasil> hehe
[16:15] <Adya> ?? ???????? ???? ??????????????:)
[16:15] <SpeedEvil> To the extent that a baloon launched in california accidentally ended up ditching in the med 3 days later.
[16:15] <Adya> So, what do you mean?
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[16:16] <yggdrasil> as long as it stays floating who cares
[16:16] <dwatkins> sounds fun, SpeedEvil
[16:16] <yggdrasil> 20,000 feet shoudl be sufficient.
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[16:16] <JBartlett_> what would a randomly moving computer drone be for exactly?
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> yggdrasil: At 20000 feet, you get typical windspeeds of 100MPH in many places
[16:16] <Adya|AWP> Jprvita:)
[16:16] <Tenchworks> ker2x, what's your memory split at?
[16:17] <dwatkins> how do you get internet access from 20,000 feet, yggdrasil?
[16:17] <Tenchworks> ker2x, this might be relevent: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Choosing_the_right_ARM.2FGPU_memory_split
[16:17] <yggdrasil> not my problem. ill leave taht up to the pirate bay
[16:17] <ker2x> direct rendering: Yes
[16:17] <ker2x> OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
[16:17] <ker2x> meh
[16:17] <dwatkins> yggdrasil: I'm just pointing out why I think this was a joke
[16:17] <yggdrasil> ahh :)
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[16:17] <SpeedEvil> yggdrasil: you would need approximately 3 million of these to ensure than there is one within 20km of everyone.
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> They are likely to cost >$1000 each.
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> That's quite a large investment.
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[16:18] <dwatkins> they probably saw this and thought they'd suggest it for TPB: http://vimeo.com/36267881
[16:18] <booyaa> is that the swarm?
[16:19] <booyaa> the noe that can go through windows in formation?
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> booyaa: I mean fixed altitude aerostats that are simply released randomly into the atmosphere.
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[16:20] <ker2x> Tenchworks: i don't understand, i'll have to RTFM :)
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[16:26] <ker2x> hummmmmmm nope
[16:26] <Tenchworks> the defualt firmware settings splits it's ram up to a 192M for arm and 64M for gpu use, if you intend/interested in doing graphic intensive stuff with the RPi then you'd be better off changing the splitting to a more even 128/128 so the gpu has more room to work with, of course if you are gonna be doing little to no gpu stuff then teh opposite would be true as well, set very little for
[16:26] <Tenchworks> the gpu so the arm can have more working space
[16:27] <Tenchworks> or at least that's how I understood it
[16:27] <Tenchworks> if anyone knows better please correct me
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[16:28] <ker2x> okay but how do i change that ? and is it really my problem ? glxinfo clearly say that i'm running Software OpenGL
[16:28] <Tenchworks> not sure if changing it will see an improvement
[16:29] <Tenchworks> if your on the debian os though then the command that listed as an example will work fine given you adjust the "arm224_start.elf" part to reflect your desired setting
[16:30] <ker2x> 26 June 2012: @Raspberry_Pi :
[16:30] <yggdrasil> heres a realy dumb question
[16:30] <ker2x> The Wheezy beta's worth a go http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435 - but X isn't hardware accelerated yet. (It will be soon.)
[16:30] <yggdrasil> heres a realy dumb question: what does the gpio stand for ?
[16:30] <Tenchworks> oh
[16:30] <Tenchworks> well then
[16:30] <ker2x> General Purpose Input Output
[16:30] <ker2x> Tenchworks: yup :/
[16:30] <yggdrasil> thank you
[16:31] <yggdrasil> at first i thought it was something wit the gpu
[16:31] <yggdrasil> so i was realy confused.
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[16:31] <ker2x> it's just a bunch of port to do digital/analogic stuff
[16:31] <yggdrasil> yea i got it
[16:31] <IT_Sean> GPIO is the two long rows of pins on the board.
[16:31] <ker2x> k k
[16:32] <IT_Sean> Can be used to interface with stuff
[16:32] <yggdrasil> i jsut wasnt sure why it was called gpip
[16:32] <yggdrasil> gpio
[16:32] <yggdrasil> cuz tome that means graphics processor in out
[16:32] <ker2x> sadly not :)
[16:32] <IT_Sean> No. GPIO = General Purpose Input Output.
[16:32] <ker2x> i think he got it :)
[16:32] <Tenchworks> lol
[16:32] <yggdrasil> hah
[16:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> ker2x +1 - you may be able to get it running via /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/ exmaples .....
[16:33] <yggdrasil> well he is an op so lets let him continute to tell me.
[16:33] <IT_Sean> Hey... don't let the @ intimidate you.
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[16:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> back later
[16:33] <IT_Sean> Feel free to politely tell me off if i'm being a dingleberry.
[16:33] <Tenchworks> lol?
[16:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> need coffee and cakes
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[16:33] <yggdrasil> there was a brief moment that i thought it was great place in ottoman. but i quickly ruled it out.
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[16:33] <yggdrasil> IT_Sean: its cool i appreciate the help.
[16:34] <IT_Sean> No prob.
[16:34] <ker2x> emmm
[16:34] <ker2x> what's a dingleberry ? (seriously)
[16:34] <mikey_w> lol
[16:34] * ker2x google
[16:34] <IT_Sean> You don't want to know.
[16:35] <yggdrasil> gross
[16:35] <IT_Sean> Google it.
[16:35] <ker2x> awwwww
[16:35] <ker2x> i mean
[16:35] <ker2x> ewwwwwww!
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[16:35] <yggdrasil> some things can not be unlearned.
[16:35] <dwatkins> yeah, don't google that
[16:35] <ker2x> the urbandictionnary have a very verbose description of it
[16:35] <IT_Sean> It is quite possibly one of the greatest and most versitile words ever created.
[16:36] <dwatkins> I know someone who owns a domain with that word in it.
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> Oh deal what a palaver...
[16:36] <yggdrasil> i know somone who owns a collection of them.
[16:36] <ker2x> Of related interest, dingleberries are often noted as having the vague odor of undigested corn or peanuts.
[16:36] <ker2x> o_O
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[16:37] <dwatkins> yggdrasil: I can unlearn things easily, - I just don't remind myself of them and then I forget ;)
[16:37] <Deluxor> guys, I have received a code to buy raspberryPI, could you please tell me how much it takes to receive it ?
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[16:37] <gordonDrogon> I'd just gotten setup in my clients site - when I get a call from my wife - trapped by some cupboards that had fallen off the wall.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> Never a dull moment!
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> so what's happening here....
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> Hm. GPIO -> Game Port IO
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> but none of the ebay sellers will accept bank transfer, insisting on giving money to paypal.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> their loss.
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> might check a car boot sale this weekend if I can find one...
[16:38] <ker2x> Deluxor: took me 3 month and 3 weeks
[16:38] <Deluxor> ker2x so much? o.O
[16:38] <ker2x> yes but it's faster now
[16:38] <Deluxor> so, if I place the ship now, maybe 1 month later ?
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[16:39] <mikey_w> Ordered from Newark March 28th. Still waiting. :(
[16:39] <ker2x> March 3rd, got it this week
[16:40] <booyaa> going to see if mono will compile and run on vm
[16:40] <ker2x> there is a huge pile of order waiting to be delivered :)
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[16:40] <booyaa> then i will realise my dream of having my own private cloud for compiling code on the fly
[16:40] <Deluxor> but, my buy code will last forever, or it haves a expiration date?
[16:40] * booyaa is trying to have a tiny rig using mifi/ipad (textastic)/rpi :D
[16:41] <ker2x> Deluxor: i don't know :)
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[16:41] <booyaa> i want google glasses to happen already so i don't need to stare at a touchpad. still not sure how you could make typing easier
[16:42] <booyaa> ages ago i remember some bloke who had a lcd/glasses hud and typed using his handle bars
[16:42] <booyaa> suspect the keys were layed out like a court typist (stenographer)?
[16:43] <Deluxor> it is possible to use relays with rasp?
[16:43] <Deluxor> connecting to GPIO
[16:43] <Deluxor> ?
[16:43] <booyaa> do't see why not
[16:43] <Deluxor> hmm
[16:43] <ker2x> +1
[16:43] <booyaa> if you can drive a led you should be able to
[16:43] <mikey_w> I envision a gigantic hoard of zombies wearing google glasses.
[16:43] <booyaa> soemone bloke used solenoids to make his rpi play a xylophone
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[16:45] <mikey_w> Is glassing while driving legal?
[16:45] <ker2x> as legal as texting while driving ?
[16:46] <Deluxor> I will try do something with rasp and dd-wrt + fonera
[16:46] <Deluxor> something huge
[16:46] <Deluxor> xD
[16:46] <Deluxor> wireless domotics
[16:46] <Deluxor> <.<
[16:46] <booyaa> Deluxor: nice, let us know when you've written it up :)
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[16:52] <ker2x> huh, i almost burnt my rpi. that was a close call
[16:52] <ker2x> i was going to put it on top of a dead hdd
[16:53] <ker2x> time to build a case :)
[16:53] <SSilver2k2> so does anyone know if its possible to tell which output your currently on?
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[16:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> SSilver2k2 you mean video output ? dunno why
[16:54] <booyaa> ker2x: you've seen this right? http://www.elinux.org/RPi_Cases
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[16:54] <Draylor> bah, it ships in a perfectly good case :D
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[16:54] <booyaa> i love the fimo case one has a varnished wood finish
[16:54] <jeek> Yo, RS Online just sent me my "you can order" email
[16:55] <booyaa> i'm prolly going to buy mine from sk pang
[16:55] <booyaa> jeek: \o/
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[16:55] <jeek> Do you know if they're shipping it with a US power supply?
[16:55] <SSilver2k2> RaTTuS|BIG: yes video output. id love to be able to have a program know if its connected via HDMI or Composite
[16:55] <ker2x> Mega Drive / Genesis Case for Raspberry Pi
[16:55] <booyaa> no power supply you bring your own
[16:55] <Draylor> if you order one with it jeek, pi ships as just the pi
[16:55] <booyaa> it's a micro usb right?
[16:55] <jeek> dagnabbit
[16:55] <jeek> Their store offers EU and UK power supplies o.@
[16:56] <booyaa> you can power it off a powered usb though
[16:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> I have my RPi mounted with 2 elastic bands on a old 5 CD spindle case
[16:56] <booyaa> surely you've got one of those lying around?
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[16:56] <ker2x> booyaa: there is sone nice idea. i think i'll just get some lego. :)
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[16:56] <booyaa> RaTTuS|BIG: heh photo?
[16:56] <ker2x> unless i find something fun
[16:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://twitpic.com/a1sogy
[16:57] <booyaa> very lo-fi but i like it
[16:57] <ker2x> perhaps in an old film camera :)
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[16:58] <booyaa> RaTTuS|BIG: lol love it
[17:00] <ker2x> how's the heat when running at full cpu/gpu ?
[17:00] <jeek> ok, ordered it with an HDMI cable and clear case. :D
[17:00] <Draylor> i need to get some pics of my ghetto case, never seen one involving less effort :)
[17:00] <Draylor> shipping box, holes, (plastic) map pins :D
[17:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> full gpu usage it was running a shade over 50Deg C
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[17:00] <ker2x> thank you
[17:01] <ker2x> there is overheat protection i bet
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[17:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> I put the heatsinks on because I had them and I'm going to be over clocking that one beyond 900....
[17:02] <Draylor> heh
[17:02] <Draylor> they look good for parts you just had lying around
[17:02] <Draylor> perfect for a pi
[17:02] <SSilver2k2> RaTTuS|BIG: how far have you overclocked without overvolting?
[17:03] <ker2x> how can you overclock that thing ? from firmware ?
[17:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> 900 was fine 905 probably got too hot
[17:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Overclocking_options
[17:04] <SSilver2k2> you edit config.txt
[17:04] <SSilver2k2> dead simple to overclock
[17:04] <SSilver2k2> my pi without heatisnk has been running stable for weeks at 900
[17:04] <SSilver2k2> 910 i get segfaults at boot
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[17:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah I need to fiddle a bit more but got a load of other stuff to do .
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[17:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm let me do a check test
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[17:07] <practisevoodoo> im trying to run a program on the display running off my pi but starting that program from an ssh connection, i started the gui using "sudo startx" and now when i try and run my program i get the error "Unable to access the X Display, is $DISPLAY set properly?" I have tried looking up the answer on google and have set the value to various things but i cant get it to work. does anyone know the correct valeu
[17:07] <practisevoodoo> s are?
[17:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> practisevoodoo - export DISPLAY=0:0
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[17:11] <ker2x> why sudo ?
[17:11] <booyaa> i think you also need ssh -X to forward x11 requests
[17:11] <booyaa> it's been a while since i've needed to do this
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[17:12] <danger90> Hi
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[17:13] <danger90> Which SD card speed should I choose for the rasp?
[17:13] <practisevoodoo> im trying what RaTTuS|BIG suggested but im hitting some other issues on my way
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[17:15] <danger90> I found some issues with the UHC cards so that is a no-no. I was thinking of a class 6 card around 35MB/s read (not random) and hopefully the kernel will be patched with the kernel patch + 50Mhz clock
[17:15] <danger90> but again what do you advise people? Which card should I buy?
[17:15] <Tenchworks> er
[17:15] <practisevoodoo> im still getting the same error
[17:15] <Tenchworks> the issues with the class speeds for sd cards is that they are benchmarked/intedned for continoues writing
[17:16] <danger90> ah
[17:16] <Tenchworks> so for cameras/phones the read writes are better
[17:16] <Tenchworks> but for the pi
[17:16] <Tenchworks> you get random read writes
[17:16] <Tenchworks> so the performance is different
[17:16] <danger90> I see
[17:16] <Tenchworks> I remember reading of that int eh wiki
[17:16] <danger90> So I need to look a good random IO
[17:17] <danger90> ..speed
[17:17] <SIFTU> danger90: there was a benchmarking thread in the forum on them
[17:17] <Tenchworks> right now I'm on a class 4 32gb microsd card, the performance seems to be okay, but at times I do notice it is slower then when the card was used in my cmera
[17:18] <SIFTU> basicially the sandisk came out pretty good for random iops
[17:18] <Gadgetoid> WiringPi Ruby gem updated: http://rubygems.org/gems/wiringpi
[17:18] <Tenchworks> yeah that's waht I'm using, snadisk
[17:18] <Tenchworks> and it was the general winner in most cases
[17:18] <Tenchworks> but don't expect to reach the full speed of the card
[17:19] <SIFTU> oh no, it's like 1Mb/s in random 4k blocks or something
[17:19] <danger90> SIFTU: in fact I found multiple benchmark topics @forum
[17:19] <SIFTU> danger90: yeah
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[17:20] <danger90> It's very hard to choose the right one, because I can't test all the diff cards
[17:20] <danger90> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=4076
[17:21] <danger90> I guess this is the biggest
[17:21] <danger90> topic
[17:21] <ReggieUK> wheezy beta has got the 50Mhz patch in it
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[17:22] <danger90> ReggieUK: ok thx for the info
[17:22] <ReggieUK> welcome
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[17:24] <danger90> 8gb sandisk Ultra Class 6 is kinda the winner
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[17:25] <ker2x> hummmmm
[17:25] <ker2x> if there isn't any X hardware acceleration, that doesn't mean that anything opengl isn't accelerated, isn't it ?
[17:25] <SIFTU> danger90: if you really want disk performance attach a HDD
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[17:26] <Ben64> opengl is always accelerated
[17:26] <ker2x> i mean, i still should be able to do some openGL stuff. with or without accelerated X
[17:26] <ker2x> nope
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> practisevoodoo, several issues. One might be that X doesn't allow connections from other than the user/session that startx'd.
[17:26] <danger90> SIFTU: it is also possible to bot from a HDD?
[17:26] <danger90> boot
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> practisevoodoo, another might be that it's internal permissions are blocked.
[17:26] <SIFTU> danger90: you just need /boot on the SD card and the rest of the filesystem can be on a HDD
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> practisevoodoo, fix the 2nd by typing in an x-term on the console 'xhost +' and seeing if that makes a difference.
[17:27] <danger90> SIFTU: thx again :)
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> if it doesn't then you'll have to restart X with the right runes to allow remote connections.
[17:27] <ker2x> Ben64: my openGL app is working in "Software OpenGL"
[17:27] <practisevoodoo> oh "xhost +" says "xhost: unable to open display "localhost:0""
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> practisevoodoo, in an xterm on the console?
[17:27] <practisevoodoo> console
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> I mean inside the running X ?
[17:28] <practisevoodoo> erm
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> so startx, then open a terminal and type xhost +
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> then try from the remote ssh session.
[17:28] <Ben64> ker2x: unlikely
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> let me try it locally..
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> yes, it works for me OK.
[17:31] <ker2x> Ben64: glxinfo say : OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> startx, then open an xterm, type xhost + then on another PC, ssh in, type export DISPLAY=:0.0 then type xterm and an xterm pops up on the console of the Pi.
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> I presume that's what your afteR?
[17:32] <ker2x> why don't you just use ssh -X with X11Forwarding ?
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> I think he wants to display on the console of the Pi, not on the console of the machine he's ssh'ing in from.
[17:32] <ker2x> ho, ok
[17:33] <practisevoodoo> what i am trying to do is test how this python program works on my pi, displayed on the pi
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> ok, so follow my steps above.
[17:33] <practisevoodoo> i want to keep tweaking and editing the code from my desktop
[17:33] <practisevoodoo> installing xterm
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> oh, hang on.
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> where do you want to actually RUN the code?
[17:34] <practisevoodoo> on the pi
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> ok. How do you get the code from your workstation to the Pi?
[17:34] <practisevoodoo> displaying the gui window produced by the code on the display attached to the pi
[17:34] <practisevoodoo> ftp
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[17:34] <gordonDrogon> ok that's fine.
[17:35] <adammw111> AFAIK, Raspberry Pi doesn't have any X hardware acceleration (which I would think glxinfo is checking for). It does have OpenGL ES acceleration but it gets rendered directly from the GPU not via X11
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[17:35] <gordonDrogon> so follow the steps above.
[17:35] <practisevoodoo> ok i dont know what an xterm is but when i run "xterm" it says No protocol specified
[17:35] <practisevoodoo> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :0.0
[17:36] <adammw111> I did try hacking a xf86 accelerated video driver attempting to use intel's glamor project to try and accelerate X11 calls with EGL (which the Pi does also support) but I learnt that X11 is just a ugly beast.
[17:36] <adammw111> Also, just looked up what "GLX" was, duh, it's GL for X.
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> practisevoodoo, use whatever terminal program comes with lxde - ie. use the menu in lxde to start a 'terminal'
[17:37] <ker2x> okay okay
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> in that terminal, type xhost +
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> then ssh in, export DISPLAY=:0.0
[17:37] <practisevoodoo> ok i need to dig out a keyboard for the pi now
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> and run your app.
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> ah...
[17:37] <ker2x> adammw111: so if i code an SDL app using OpenGL, i'll have hardware acceleration ?
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> ker2x, I'm using SDL on it's own - I'd be interste to know if it could be acellerated, but I don't hold much hope for it, even wrapping OpenGL EX round it...
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> *ES or whatever it's called.
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[17:38] <adammw111> Um, I don't know about SDL. I have no idea what backend it uses. I know that it can use direct frame buffer access in the console, and some other X11 specific things, but I wouldn't expect it to be hardware accelerated. But who knows, it could be.
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> what the Pi has (AIUI) is a 1st generation framebuffer. What it needs is a 2nd generation one - one with a hardware blitter - the GPU can do that... That would then make SDL and X go faster...
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[17:40] <gordonDrogon> under SDL it's literally just the ARM poking pixels at th display and doing the 'blit' in software...
[17:40] <adammw111> Basically, the only things that are guaranteed to be hardware accelerated is code written specifically for the Raspberry Pi - e.g. OpenGL ES 2.0 or EGL or even OpenVG, anything else like SDL or X would then need to use these themselves to get hardware acceleration, and I doubt they currently do.
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> however it's not too bad though.
[17:40] <ker2x> okay
[17:40] <ker2x> well, i'll work on that :)
[17:41] <ker2x> http://jonmacey.blogspot.fr/ looks interesting :)
[17:41] <adammw111> The other thing is SDL is 2D isn't it? Are you working on a 2d or 3d app?
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[17:41] <gordonDrogon> My SDL app is a BASIC interpreter :)
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[17:42] <ker2x> adammw111: i'm trying to run/port Fragmentarium on the pi :)
[17:44] <practisevoodoo> gordonDrogon, that worked, thanks
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> Linux:
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> No files available, but it is possible to build from source. See below.
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> from the Fragmentarium site :)
[17:45] <adammw111> Looks like it's built for OpenGL/GLSL. Not sure how'd you go about porting it. Apparently, OpenGL != OpenGL ES, some functions are removed or behave differently. There's a Quick Reference Card >>> http://www.khronos.org/opengles/sdk/docs/reference_cards/OpenGL-ES-2_0-Reference-card.pdf <<< to see what's supported in OpenGL ES
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> practisevoodoo, good-oh!
[17:45] <ker2x> gordonDrogon: yup. get the source from github, run a build.sh
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[17:46] <ker2x> :)
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[17:46] <adammw111> doubt that software rendering or SDL would help that much for that sort of graphics intensive thing...
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[17:46] <ker2x> well, Fragmentarium is more or less working on the pi
[17:46] <ker2x> very, very, very, very slowly
[17:46] <ker2x> and with error
[17:46] <ker2x> http://photochrome.over-blog.com/fragmentarium-on-raspberry-pi
[17:47] <ker2x> with mesa complaining about stuff
[17:47] <markbook> I think, on a pi, "slow" is a given
[17:47] <ker2x> no, i mean *sllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow*
[17:48] <ker2x> like, a few mn to render a simple mandelbrot using the glsl shader, while xaos can do that in a second
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[17:49] <adammw111> Hmmm looks like a difficult task. Not that it's not doable but very difficult. The problem I see is that the UI and the rendering looks from that screenshot to be very closely coupled (though it may not be), and the problem is that the UI probably needs X which is not accelerated, and the rendering needs GL, which doesn't really work well within X. You might get away with rendering ontop of X somehow, but it would be a hack, o
[17:49] <adammw111> and having the UI on another machine with X
[17:49] <ker2x> it's all QT
[17:50] <ker2x> it use QGLstuff
[17:50] <adammw111> I think that changes a lot then. Ask others because there's a load of accelerated Qt development going on for the Pi.
[17:50] <rm> http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/120626raso/ go order a Pi from Allied
[17:51] <adammw111> I really do know nothing about Qt on Pi
[17:51] <rm> I am not sure if this is a one use link
[17:51] <rm> US/Canada only
[17:51] <ker2x> adammw111: yes, i can see that.
[17:51] <ker2x> good news
[17:51] <adammw111> sorry for wasting your time talking about the other crap
[17:51] <ker2x> because QT is the only C++ i can eventually write :)
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[18:02] <ker2x> heh, it doesn't support OES_texture_float, that why most shader fail :)
[18:05] <ker2x> time to go. thank you all for the help and fun. *hugs*
[18:05] <ker2x> see you later :)
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[18:09] <gordonDrogon> hi - sorry been on the phone..
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[18:12] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: phones have irc too
[18:12] <dmsuse> phones can do more than a pc
[18:13] <practisevoodoo> no they cant
[18:13] <markbook> they can fit in my pocket.
[18:13] <practisevoodoo> smartphones ARE pcs
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, my desk phone runs Linux.
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[18:14] <gordonDrogon> although it's a phone.
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> Grandstream GXP2100
[18:14] <IT_Sean> My desk phone runs... well... not much of anything. We still have an analog phone system here.
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> Good old analog....
[18:15] <dmsuse> practisevoodoo: no they aint
[18:15] <rasp7aa> practisevoodoo: although pc could be interpreted as anything, the term is usually reserved for desktop towers,
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> Personal Computer ...
[18:15] <IT_Sean> POTS. Pathetic Old Technology Sucks. :p
[18:15] <booyaa> mmm won't be doing anyy testing of mono on the train it's about 45mb because it wants to get most of the libs / runtiemes :D
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[18:15] <gordonDrogon> There's a lot to be said for POTS... Work in a power cut (usually)
[18:15] <practisevoodoo> rasp7aa, well if thats the definition we are using then they definately cant
[18:16] <IT_Sean> POTS is pretty awesome, in it's robustness.
[18:16] <IT_Sean> But, i would love to upgrade to an IP based phone system here.
[18:16] <rasp7aa> IP based phones are much better if you're the guy managing the network
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> right. now to look at the monitor that got smashed under the cupboards that fell on my wife earlier... the panel looks intact, so I might be able to resurect it.
[18:16] <teh_orph> deep boredom here at work today...15 mins to go
[18:16] * gordonDrogon is the guy managing the network :)
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[18:21] <tech2077> it appears i'm on adafruit also now
[18:21] <tech2077> my blog post was perfectly timed it seemed so that now i'm on my two favorite hacking sites
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[18:23] <gordonDrogon> going to plug the monitor in... if you hear a loud bang from Devinshire you'll know it was me...
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[18:25] <teh_orph> hey that wireless display stuff looks cool
[18:26] <rasp7aa> teh_orph: what's the latency like?
[18:26] <teh_orph> don't ask me!
[18:26] <teh_orph> tech2077?
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> it's landfill )-:
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> internal glass screen is crazed )-:
[18:27] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: is it a crt?
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> LED
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> 1080p
[18:27] <tech2077> teh_orph, yeah?
[18:27] <teh_orph> what's the latency like?
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> sorry - LCD with LED backlight.
[18:27] <tech2077> teh_orph, on what
[18:28] <teh_orph> on the wireless display
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[18:28] <tech2077> i'm the character display guy
[18:28] <teh_orph> (yours is the thing at the top of adafruit blog?)
[18:28] <teh_orph> ah sorry!
[18:28] <tech2077> i assume for the wireless display, it's considerable, but not unusable
[18:29] <tech2077> if it's vnc, then it's likely just 0.2-2 second lag depending on usage
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[18:32] <teh_orph> home time, wup wup
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/monitor.jpg
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> it's more colourful that that photo shows - it's overexposed, but hey, it's a dead 22" monitor...
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> not matter which way you look at it.
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[18:36] <dmsuse> i just got a lcd/led tv its awesome only uses around 10 watts playing a dvd
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> I'm looking at a refurbished one from Currys for ?65..
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/essentials-c16ldib11-refurbished-16-hd-ready-lcd-tv-11081823-pdt.html
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> 720p but would be fine for some simple Pi stuff.
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[18:38] <dmsuse> that has no dvd or anything?
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, no, but I have a dvd player and a big TV for that.
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[18:39] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: nah
[18:39] <dmsuse> still rubbish
[18:39] <dmsuse> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5295999/c_1/1|category_root|Home+entertainment+and+sat+nav|14419512/c_2/2|14419512|Televisions|14419667.htm
[18:39] <dmsuse> get that :P
[18:39] <dmsuse> supports 1080p aswell
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> we don't do "media" in the house other than in the living room...
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> it's pink...
[18:40] <dmsuse> you not comfortable with your sexuality :P?
[18:40] <dmsuse> well you can have a black one but its 10 quid more
[18:40] <dmsuse> i aint paying that
[18:40] <dmsuse> so i have 2 pink tvs :(
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> that's not 1080p - it's 720.
[18:40] <dmsuse> according to the manual u get with it
[18:40] <Thorn_> u bumbasher u...
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> Resolution 1366 x 768 pixels.
[18:40] <dmsuse> it says it supports both 1080p and i
[18:40] <yggdrasil> whats up gents
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> it'll support it and down-sample it.
[18:41] <dmsuse> oh :(
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[18:41] <gordonDrogon> I suppose I could go to the local trash shop alley in newton abbot and pick one up though...
[18:41] <dmsuse> uh?
[18:42] <dmsuse> tash shop alley?
[18:42] <dmsuse> *trash
[18:43] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: I have an idea
[18:43] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: disconnect the blue led, hang it on your wall and call it modern art
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> heh...
[18:44] <dmsuse> oh the only problem with it is the dvd is loud and the viewing angle sucks :P
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> Ooh... I can unsolder the blue led and have a ... blue led!
[18:45] <IT_Sean> you can buy blue LEDs by the pound. Why bother salvaging one?
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> trash shop alley - yea, there's a chev tastic street in newton abbot nicknamed pound shop alley or something. full of cheap low grade shops, nail bars/tanninng salons, betting shops and etc.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, because I don't have any..
[18:46] <IT_Sean> ahh
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> it's a 3mm round through hole one too!
[18:46] <IT_Sean> Ooooh
[18:46] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: online delivery :P ?
[18:47] * IT_Sean thinks the devices his company make need more blue LEDs. All of our kit has orange red and green LEDs, but, no blue ones.
[18:47] <drazyl> as long as they don't burn your retinas out like some do
[18:47] <dmsuse> ^^ all the blue led's in electronics i have had light the room up
[18:47] <IT_Sean> The trick is to underdrive them
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[18:48] <gordonDrogon> Hm. 5 buttons on the panel, 1 led and a ribbon cable with 4 wires..
[18:48] <rasp7aa> if they use green ones they could get away with making them less bright
[18:48] <IT_Sean> One pair of wires is for the buttons, and one pair for the LED.
[18:48] <IT_Sean> The buttons probably have different value resistors inline with them
[18:49] <rasp7aa> ugh, that pink tv is ugly
[18:49] <bnmorgan> congrats...you pass the sanity test
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> wow - the buttons are analogue input - there are tiny resistors on the board!
[18:49] <dmsuse> so respray it :P
[18:49] <rasp7aa> how can anyone using anything but black? It's too distracting otherwise
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[18:49] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: I just said that!
[18:50] <yggdrasil> im torn beetween the mofmypi case and the clear one ...
[18:50] <IT_Sean> Car manufacturers have been using that trick for steering wheel controls for a decade
[18:50] <IT_Sean> Over a decade, actually.
[18:50] <rasp7aa> yggdrasil: if you wait a bit modmypi are going to do a clear one
[18:50] <yggdrasil> oh really ?
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, weird. why? I guess there must be a cost saving somewhere, but .... ?
[18:50] <IT_Sean> Less wires to run
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> yeabut ...
[18:51] <IT_Sean> And when you are running wires through a steering wheel hub, less wires is good
[18:51] <drazyl> wiring looms are a pain, less wires is good
[18:51] <IT_Sean> :p
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[18:51] <yggdrasil> rasp7aa: the thig i like about the mod my pi case vs the other one is the led tubes.
[18:51] <rasp7aa> yggdrasil: according to their twitter, "clear case should be available July at some point"
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[18:51] <rasp7aa> the modmypi case has led tubes?!
[18:52] <yggdrasil> i think so
[18:52] <Tenchworks> that would be nice
[18:52] <rasp7aa> where did you read that?
[18:52] <yggdrasil> actually maybe it doestnn
[18:52] <Tenchworks> otherwise I was gonna/will have to make some for mine >.>
[18:53] <rasp7aa> it has holes above the leds, but I'd never heard of light guides for it
[18:53] <yggdrasil> i see
[18:53] <yggdrasil> hang there is one that has them.
[18:53] <rasp7aa> one of the 3d printed ones has light guides, but they bleed terribly
[18:53] <Tenchworks> this one has tubes in it : http://www.built-to-spec.com/blog/kit-instructions/raspberry-pi-enclosure-assembly-instructions/
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[18:54] <Tenchworks> and is cheaper than the modmypi
[18:54] <Tenchworks> but not sure if they ship internationally
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[18:54] <rasp7aa> Tenchworks: yes but the modmypi case isn't ugly
[18:54] <Tenchworks> they both look nice to me
[18:54] <rasp7aa> it looks like somethig darth vader would fly
[18:54] <Tenchworks> so meh
[18:54] <Tenchworks> LOL
[18:54] <yggdrasil> yea that case is a bit on the ... ugly side.
[18:54] <yggdrasil> rasp7aa: i was gonna say something similar
[18:55] <Tenchworks> I am actually thinking of getting that one for my second Pi since the second would will be the dust collecter
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[18:55] <Tenchworks> the modmypi one will be the one I take around and mess with
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[18:55] <rasp7aa> Tenchworks: I think the adafruit is a better implementation of acrylic
[18:56] <Tenchworks> the ada one was nice but I prefer a non clear one
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[18:57] <Tenchworks> the lights are bright enough to bohter me when trying to sleep, with tubes I can see them and at nite just put a sticky note on it to darken it up enough
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[18:57] <rasp7aa> Tenchworks: if you have access to a laser cutter, adafruit have released the design so you could make your own
[18:57] <Tenchworks> sadly no laser cutter at my local hackerspace
[18:57] <OllieMorfik> plastic extruder?
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[18:58] <IT_Sean> YOu mean... you don't have a laser cutter in your basement?
[18:58] <OllieMorfik> or a 3d printer
[18:58] <Tenchworks> still waiting for the the guys to figure out whats wrong with teh reprap so I can start printing parts for a few projects
[18:58] <rasp7aa> I wish there was a way to get the adafruit case in the uk without paying these massive shipping fees
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[18:58] <rasp7aa> OllieMorfik: 3d printed cases always have a terrible texture
[18:58] <OllieMorfik> there is, find somone with a laser cutter
[18:58] <Tenchworks> heh
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[18:59] <OllieMorfik> recut your 3d printed prototype with a laser cutter
[18:59] <yggdrasil> theres another one with light tubes
[18:59] <profil> Starting X on my rpi with archlinux is very sloppy
[18:59] <profil> and using X is very slow
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[18:59] <rasp7aa> profil: yes
[18:59] <profil> should it be like this or is something wrong with the arch build?
[18:59] <OllieMorfik> crap display drivers
[18:59] <rasp7aa> nothing wrong
[19:00] <rasp7aa> there are no accelerated x drivers
[19:00] <OllieMorfik> "its life"
[19:00] <profil> it doesnt look that sloppy in videos of it running lxde
[19:00] <rasp7aa> profil: cgi
[19:00] <profil> lol
[19:01] <OllieMorfik> finally got a bunch of crap i ordered months ago from chinabay
[19:01] <profil> does xmbc run without X?
[19:01] <willl0u> yes
[19:01] <OllieMorfik> RTC/relay module
[19:01] <OllieMorfik> kind of need X for xbmc
[19:02] <profil> is there a video player that run without X?
[19:02] <profil> with GPU accelerated support
[19:02] <rasp7aa> yes
[19:02] <profil> I've heard of omxplayer, is that it?
[19:03] <rasp7aa> yes, but only for codecs which the foundation has paid for
[19:03] <profil> it's not available in arch's repos
[19:03] <profil> what else is there?
[19:03] <yggdrasil> ahh screw it im getting the adafruit
[19:03] <rasp7aa> yggdrasil: out of stock
[19:03] <yggdrasil> doh!
[19:03] <rasp7aa> they were in stock yesterday
[19:04] <rasp7aa> they have a thing you can sign up to, to be notified when they are in stock
[19:04] <profil> rasp7aa: what options do I have?
[19:04] <OllieMorfik> find someone with a laz0r kut-R
[19:05] <rasp7aa> profil: http://elinux.org/Omxplayer
[19:05] <OllieMorfik> cant believe kinko's doesnt have one yet
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[19:09] <IT_Sean> I'm not sure i would want my local kinko's employee to have access to a high powered laser
[19:10] <ReggieUK> what's kinko's?
[19:10] <IT_Sean> US chain of copy stors
[19:10] <IT_Sean> *stores
[19:10] <Thorn_> kinky
[19:10] <IT_Sean> They will print / copy crap for you
[19:10] <rasp7aa> they're owned by fedex
[19:10] <IT_Sean> And the average kinko's employee is about as intelligent as your average pubic hair.
[19:10] <Tenchworks> didn't fedex rename all kinkos to fedex office?
[19:10] <IT_Sean> I think they did
[19:11] <IT_Sean> My point still stands.
[19:11] <oldtopman> Q.Q
[19:11] <Tenchworks> hehe
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[19:11] <oldtopman> Does anybody want a raspi code from Allied Electronics?
[19:11] <Tenchworks> I remember getting corrected a few times over when I last walked in there for something quick
[19:11] <rasp7aa> they rebranded 4 years ago
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[19:13] <dmsuse> people in america don't know copier/printers exist?
[19:14] <IT_Sean> It is often cheaper to outsource really massive print / copy jobs to a place like fedex office
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[19:14] <IT_Sean> When you factor in ink, and wear on the machine
[19:14] <oldtopman> Nah, but if you want to print off a 350 page book, or make hundreds of pamphlets.
[19:14] <rasp7aa> do you have staples in america?
[19:14] <dmsuse> :o
[19:15] <IT_Sean> Yes, we have the Bent Staple Store
[19:15] <IT_Sean> They do the same copy services.
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[19:15] <dmsuse> but only for gay people :P ?
[19:15] <IT_Sean> No, for everyone.
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> it's getting common in the UK to rent MFD's and pay per sheet...
[19:15] <dmsuse> then why is it call the bent staple store :P
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> place I'm doing some stuff for is doing that now...
[19:16] <IT_Sean> because the logo is a bent staple.
[19:16] <ReggieUK> uk staples are poor too though
[19:16] <dmsuse> ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
[19:16] <IT_Sean> and it's a store.
[19:16] <Tenchworks> doesn't matter to me if I'm just being sent to their to drop off/pick up orders for work when the copier goes down
[19:16] <rasp7aa> on the L?
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[19:16] <ReggieUK> and who on earth thought putting google kit through dixons in the uk was a good idea needs shooting
[19:16] <IT_Sean> Aye
[19:17] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: dixons doesn't exist anything in the uk
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[19:17] <rasp7aa> *anymore
[19:17] <ReggieUK> rasp7aa, you mean this dixons?
[19:17] <ReggieUK> http://www.dixons.co.uk/gbuk/index.html
[19:17] <ReggieUK> way to not exist dixons, impressive trick
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[19:18] <dmsuse> i aint seen a dixons in along time
[19:18] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: the only physical stores are in airports and ireland
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[19:18] <rasp7aa> dmsuse: rebranded to currys digital
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[19:20] <IT_Sean> lol
[19:20] <ReggieUK> so you're saying they do exist in the uk now then or not? I'm confused? Clearly they exist as an online prescence I was aware that they'd rebranded the bricks and mortar places
[19:20] <ReggieUK> and also aware that DSG is alive and kicking too
[19:20] * IT_Sean wonders what a digital curry is
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[19:20] <mkopack> Hey gang!
[19:20] <mkopack> How's everyone been doing?
[19:20] <IT_Sean> Hey mkopack
[19:21] <rasp7aa> hi
[19:21] <mkopack> How's it going Sean? Doing anything interesting with your RPi?
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[19:21] <rasp7aa> I thought IT_Sean was still waiting
[19:22] <IT_Sean> I only just got the order code the other day, and i've decided to not order one yet. I've got other projects going on, and i've somewhat got fed up with all the recent whatnottery with USB and such.
[19:22] <IT_Sean> So, i didn't order.
[19:22] <ReggieUK> http://www.dixonsretail.com/dixons/en/aboutus/ourbrands?cat=1
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[19:22] <IT_Sean> I might get a Model A, when they come out, but, for now, i'm not bothering with the Pi. Don't have the time, really.
[19:23] <rasp7aa> then why are you an OP on an unofficial raspberry pi channel if you don't have any interest in the product?
[19:24] <Thorn_> cos he's a knob
[19:24] * Thorn_ legs it
[19:24] <rasp7aa> what
[19:24] * Thorn_ was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[19:24] <IT_Sean> I have interest in the product. I just am not interested in ordering one at the moment.
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[19:24] <Thorn_> thats not very nice
[19:25] <ReggieUK> indeed, that's why you got kicked :)
[19:25] <mkopack> LOL??? ah, gotchya man
[19:25] <IT_Sean> Indeed, calling me a knob wasn't very nice.
[19:25] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: you should give a reason in your kick message, or PM them.
[19:25] <rasp7aa> just saying.
[19:25] <IT_Sean> I probably wouldn't of kicked you for it, but, ukscone does like kicking people. so. :p
[19:25] <mkopack> Sean: Don't feel bad. I have 3 of the damn things and haven't had time to do much other than "sudo apt-get update" and upgrade on them over the last 3 weeks
[19:25] <IT_Sean> rasp7aa: and you shouldn't tell us how to run the channel.
[19:25] <ReggieUK> I really like kicking people
[19:26] <oldtopman> rasp7aa: Eh, it was fast, immidate, and there were no further consequences.
[19:26] <Thorn_> immidiate
[19:26] <ReggieUK> I've even gone so far as to get myself a theme tune for kicking
[19:26] <ReggieUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3mKAKPYh6k&feature=fvst
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> toy time: http://www.kitronik.co.uk/index.php/products/sparkfun-electronics-products/sparkfun-retail-kits/bigtime-watch-kit/
[19:28] <rasp7aa> ugh, velcro?
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[19:28] <IT_Sean> what's wrong with velcro?
[19:28] <IT_Sean> velcro is great!
[19:28] * Demitar (~demitar@c83-255-193-59.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
[19:28] <IT_Sean> It can be used to stick things to other things!
[19:28] <IT_Sean> And then you can peel 'em off and stick the things to different things!
[19:29] <IT_Sean> STICK ALL THE THINGS!!!!!!!
[19:29] <rasp7aa> velcro is good for military/sports watches, otherwise I'd prefer leather
[19:29] <Thorn_> ban IT_Sean excessive use of caps plz
[19:29] <rasp7aa> Thorn_: plus inappropiate meme usage
[19:29] <Thorn_> yes
[19:29] * IT_Sean was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
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[19:29] * PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean
[19:29] <IT_Sean> Happy?
[19:29] <Tenchworks> lol
[19:30] <Thorn_> we said ban
[19:30] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[19:30] <rasp7aa> Thorn_: Oi, you mean you said ban
[19:30] <IT_Sean> Yeah, well, you got a kick, so, live with it.
[19:30] <Thorn_> it was rasp7aa's idea, he pm'd it to me...
[19:30] <rasp7aa> lies
[19:30] <IT_Sean> Yeah, well... you are both knobs. :p
[19:30] <Thorn_> says the mac user
[19:31] <IT_Sean> Hey, i also have a linux machine, and a chromebook, so... hush.
[19:32] <Thorn_> ssh i'm trying to get a flamewar going here
[19:32] <_inc> thats not how ssh works
[19:32] <IT_Sean> lol
[19:32] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: get an ice tube
[19:33] <_inc> need a weekend project
[19:33] <IT_Sean> clean the gutters.
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[19:34] <Thorn_> make your boyfriend a sandwich
[19:35] <rasp7aa> racist
[19:35] <Tenchworks> build a diy whole home ups
[19:35] <Thorn_> racist?
[19:35] <Tenchworks> wouldn't it be sexist?
[19:35] <Thorn_> ssshhh dont educate him
[19:35] <rasp7aa> Tenchworks: no
[19:35] <rasp7aa> build a diy nexus q
[19:36] <IT_Sean> build a robot to clean the gutters
[19:36] <rasp7aa> build a robot to stimulate your prostate
[19:36] <Tenchworks> LOL
[19:37] <IT_Sean> did you just tell me to stick it in my [censored]?
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[19:37] <IT_Sean> :|
[19:37] <Tenchworks> love the progression of potential projects
[19:37] <rasp7aa> I thought you didn't like self censorship
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[19:37] <dmsuse> im sooo building a sex machine with my pi
[19:37] <ReggieUK> that's me that doesn't like self-censorship
[19:37] <rasp7aa> dmsuse: I think I saw a documentary on that once
[19:38] <rasp7aa> oh
[19:38] <Thorn_> dmsuse: 'build'? it comes 'preprepped with a usb slot.
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[19:38] <dmsuse> rasp7aa: i bet ;)
[19:38] <_inc> so many people confused about their own sexuality in here :P
[19:38] <IT_Sean> There once was a girl called irene... invented a screwing machine... concave or convex, it served either sex, and played with itself inbetween.
[19:38] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:38] <Tenchworks> haha
[19:39] <Tenchworks> dirty limrik
[19:39] <dmsuse> lawl
[19:39] <Tenchworks> pretty sure I butchered teh spelling
[19:39] * IT_Sean was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[19:39] <srin> Hi. I'm running Debian "wheezy" (the raspbian distro), and I'm not able to change the resolution. it comes up with the error message "unable to get monitor information!"
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[19:39] <IT_Sean> :(
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, Ah, had to look up ice tube. You mean VFD....
[19:39] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[19:39] <ReggieUK> hey, I gave the reason like they told me to ;)
[19:39] <IT_Sean> :/
[19:40] <dmsuse> srin: can you plug it in another way or ssh into it to change the config file?
[19:40] <IT_Sean> It wass worth it.
[19:40] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:40] <ReggieUK> the spelling was all good though
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, *this* is what I *really* want: http://www.cathodecorner.com/nixiewatch/
[19:41] <_inc> raspberry pi hardware emulator
[19:41] <_inc> simulate GPIO behaviour
[19:41] <chaoshax> Anyone got V4l working yet?
[19:41] <IT_Sean> _inc: Would it run on a raspberrypi ? :p
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[19:44] <_inc> IT_Sean: well, it won't be a bad idea if it were to save people from frying the board
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> why/how are people going to fry the board?
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> Hoe many arduinos have been friend...
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if people are thinking that just because it's 3.3v it's somehow more fragile...
[19:45] <_inc> thats what i read
[19:45] <IT_Sean> _inc: I never said it was a bad idea.
[19:45] <_inc> current running back to the SoC if its not protected
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> in my experiments/playing I've had flying wires connected to the gpio pins - causing the Pi to reboot on more than one occastion, yet it's still going OK ...
[19:45] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: shorting the wrong pins, or trying to pull too much current can pretty easily fry something
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> _inc, but no worse than frying an arduino and that doesn't happen - well not too often.
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[19:46] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, I know how I can fry it, I'm just wondering what the reality of it is...
[19:46] <_inc> gordonDrogon: don't underestimate stupid
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> _inc, sure - buy why should I preotect them frlm themsevels?
[19:46] <_inc> THINK OF THE CHILDREN
[19:47] <IT_Sean> :p
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> e.g. people using TWO resistors on GPIO inputs, just in-case the accidentally set it to an output and write a 1 to it....
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> if you're going to do that, do it on the SD card present pin...
[19:48] <rasp7aa> gordonDrogon: by ice tube, I meant the adafruit kit
[19:48] <IT_Sean> that is an EXPENSIVE kit! O_O
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> rasp7aa, yea, I had a VFD calculator once. sucked batteries.
[19:48] <dmsuse> cant ppl just put a fuse on all the gpio pins?
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, a 15mA fuse? er...
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> no, let them blow-up their Pi's I say. It'll teach them a lesson.
[19:49] <dmsuse> ive blew 4 tv's up till date.. i never learn :P
[19:49] * IT_Sean still has a VFD calculator somewhere, but, it doesn't run off of batteries.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> what are you doing even near the insides of a TV???
[19:50] <IT_Sean> how do you blow up a TV ? O_o
[19:50] <rasp7aa> IT_Sean: if it's a crt, it would explode if you smashed the front
[19:50] <dmsuse> 12v tv's applied power to them with no fuse
[19:50] <dmsuse> so opened them up to replace the onboard fuse and ended up breaking some smd stuff :P
[19:50] <IT_Sean> erft.
[19:51] <raymohi> Anyone want my Raspberry pi ordercode?
[19:51] <ReggieUK> don't vacuums implode?
[19:51] <rasp7aa> raymohi: I'll give you $50 for it
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[19:52] <rasp7aa> ReggieUK: yup
[19:52] <raymohi> Have it for free
[19:52] <rasp7aa> raymohi: just kidding, I already have a pi
[19:52] <_inc> whats the ReggieUK not it the exterior has more vacuum :P
[19:52] <_inc> two messages at once
[19:52] <_inc> fail
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> anyway. nixie tubes are way cooler than VFDs.
[19:53] <rasp7aa> _inc: ReggieUK is a user in this channel
[19:53] <_inc> ** ReggieUK: not it the exterior has more vacuum :P
[19:53] <_inc> forgot to backspace
[19:53] * IT_Sean backspaces _inc
[19:53] <_inc> :(
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[19:58] <IT_Sean> :( ?
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[20:02] <rasp7aa> IT_Sean: backspace is a euphemism.
[20:03] <IT_Sean> Is it?
[20:03] <IT_Sean> I really had no clue.
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[20:03] <IT_Sean> Sorry _inc!
[20:03] <rasp7aa> I lied
[20:03] <IT_Sean> :|
[20:03] <IT_Sean> I am not amused.
[20:04] <rasp7aa> but seriously it means anal sex
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[20:04] * ReggieUK sets mode +b *!*@
[20:04] * rasp7aa was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[20:04] <IT_Sean> Thanks reg.
[20:04] <ReggieUK> most welcome
[20:04] <ReggieUK> glad to do it
[20:04] <ReggieUK> made my day
[20:04] <IT_Sean> :)
[20:05] <ReggieUK> I@m sure it will attempt to get back on
[20:05] <ReggieUK> but then I have nothing better to do than wait
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[20:05] <ReggieUK> patiently
[20:06] <IT_Sean> I will find you... I will ban you... :p
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[20:07] <ssta> any pointers to documentation on how to arrange the kernel (which as I understand it must be on SD) to use a USB disk as the rootfs?
[20:07] <dmsuse> poor guy
[20:08] <Lartza> /usr/bin/omxplayer: 3: /usr/bin/omxplayer: /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin: not found
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[20:08] <Lartza> Installed from http://omxplayer.sconde.net/ to raspbian
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[20:09] <amstan> so my raspberrypi arrived from RS
[20:09] <amstan> except they added a customs charge
[20:09] <amstan> is this normal?\
[20:09] <amstan> $15.80
[20:09] <ReggieUK> depends where you ordered from?
[20:10] <ReggieUK> although, actually, didn't they do something about that?
[20:10] <amstan> not sure, the DHL guy demanded the money to release the packet
[20:10] <dmsuse> Lartza: what is looking for it?
[20:10] <Lartza> dmsuse, ?
[20:11] <dmsuse> i still don't see what that guy did wrong
[20:12] <dmsuse> Lartza: did you install it?
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[20:12] <Lartza> dmsuse, ... Of course
[20:12] <Lartza> Not an idiot
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[20:12] <dmsuse> then you know how to find it then, as your not an idiot
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[20:13] <Lartza> dmsuse, Find what??
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[20:13] <Lartza> Installed omxplayer and run the omxplayer command, it says it's failing
[20:14] <Lartza> Omxplayer compiling takes ages not going to do that
[20:14] <dmsuse> it said not found didn't it?
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[20:14] <Lartza> Yes
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[20:15] <Lartza> dmsuse, There is /usr/bin/omxplayer and there is /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin
[20:15] <Lartza> Also the file I am trying to play exists
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[20:17] <Lartza> How has anyone gotten omxplayer to work? I couldn't compile it on Arch and not the precompiled won't run in raspbian...
[20:17] <dmsuse> worked fine for me
[20:17] <ReggieUK> checked the permissions on the file?
[20:18] <dmsuse> ah that's true, only worked running it sudo for me
[20:18] <Lartza> -rwxr-xr-x
[20:18] <Lartza> So everyoen should have executing rights
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[20:19] <Lartza> sudo gives the same message
[20:19] <Lartza> so does running as root
[20:19] <dmsuse> paste output
[20:20] <Lartza> of what?
[20:20] <Lartza> omxplayer?
[20:20] <dmsuse> sure
[20:20] <Lartza> /usr/bin/omxplayer: 3: /usr/bin/omxplayer: /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin: not found
[20:20] <dmsuse> that's all ?
[20:20] <dmsuse> what did you type?
[20:20] <Lartza> Yes
[20:21] <Lartza> omxplayer or omxplayer file.mkv or omxplayer /path/to/file.mkv
[20:21] <Lartza> all get that
[20:21] <Lartza> also sudo omxplayer file.mkv
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[20:21] <plugwash> do you have a symlink from /lib/ld-linux.so.3 to /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 ?
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[20:21] <Lartza> /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 -> arm-linux-gnueabihf/ld-2.13.so
[20:22] <plugwash> what about /lib/ld-linux.so.3 ?
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[20:22] <Lartza> plugwash, Does not exist
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[20:22] <plugwash> symlink it to /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3
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[20:25] <Lartza> Okay that worked yet... let me reboot
[20:25] <Lartza> I shouldn't need Xorg right?
[20:26] <plugwash> I don't think so but I haven't actually tried omxplayer myself
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[20:26] <dmsuse> you dont need X
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[20:26] <dmsuse> forgot about the symlinks
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[20:28] <plugwash> yeah, the symlink is needed to run binaries built with compilers that haven't been changed for the new dynamic linker path
[20:29] <plugwash> including the stuff the rpf are shipping
[20:29] <Lartza> So now I get no sound? :)
[20:30] <Lartza> ahh and now it wont playback anymore...
[20:31] <Lartza> are there any other more reliable video players?
[20:31] <Lartza> omxplayer also leaves terminal lines on top it seems :/
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[20:33] <lee> what a piece of crap
[20:34] <lee> if I try to search within results on the rpi forum, I lose focus and it jumps to the top of the page ...
[20:34] <Lartza> aplay works but omxplayer has no sound
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[20:37] <dmsuse> Lartza: you need to modprobe the sound module
[20:38] <lee> is anybody aware of any projects for the rpi that will interface with a infra-red transmitter? the end goal is remotely controlling a Sky+ box and a Samsung TV
[20:38] <Lartza> dmsuse, aplay works... it is modproberd by /etc/modules automatically
[20:38] <dmsuse> oh
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[20:39] <dmsuse> lee: lirc?
[20:40] <dmsuse> http://aron.ws/projects/lirc_rpi/
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[20:48] <srin> Hi, I'm running Arch. It seems that when I try to install any package, the first dep always timesout, but the others work
[20:48] <srin> is there any way I can adjust the timeout time?
[20:49] <arfonzo> srin: I suppose it might be configured in /etc/pacman.conf, but you should as in the official arch channel
[20:49] <arfonzo> or change your mirror
[20:49] <arfonzo> as/ask
[20:49] <srin> how do I set a mirror? I tried the RIT one, but it 404ed on me
[20:49] <srin> I'll ask in th arch channel as well, thanks
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[20:51] <sako_12> anyone know when x serve will get GPU acceleration
[20:52] <sako_12> desktop works like a dog
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[20:53] <lee> dmsuse: wow, that's still going?? excellent, thanks
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[20:56] <dmsuse> lee: when u figure it out tell me how to do it :P thnx
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[21:12] <Cheery> I occassionally browse web through rpi
[21:13] <bnmorgan> i need to find my 100' ethernet cable
[21:13] <bnmorgan> so i can set mine up in the livingroom
[21:13] <Cheery> can't stop thinking how the midori browser logo resemble man's reproductive organs
[21:14] <Cheery> especially when it's so sloooooow
[21:14] <bnmorgan> uhh....you may need to see a doctor.
[21:14] * ReggieUK puts his banning boots on....
[21:14] * bnmorgan hides.
[21:15] <IT_Sean> doooo iiit
[21:15] <Cheery> bnmorgan: I said resemble.
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[21:17] <bnmorgan> 102??F in the shade
[21:17] <IT_Sean> .wz 07005
[21:17] <IT_Sean> :/
[21:17] <IT_Sean> .wz 07005
[21:18] <IT_Sean> !w
[21:18] <PiBot> IT_Sean: in Boonton Township, NJ on Fri Jun 29 22:53:00 2012. Temp 96??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 40%, Later 97??F - 68??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[21:18] <IT_Sean> ahh... right command, wrong channel.
[21:18] <IT_Sean> 96F here
[21:18] <IT_Sean> oh man... my car is going to be a frigging oven
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[21:18] * IT_Sean goes out to open the sunroof a bit
[21:20] <Cheery> hm
[21:20] <IT_Sean> whooorf, it's HOT out
[21:20] <Cheery> I wonder whether I should dare to open the scratch icon, it's scary
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> !w
[21:21] <PiBot> SpeedEvil: in Glenrothes, Fife. Temp 288K. Condition: Rain, Humidity: 88%, Later 293K - 285K. Condition: Thunderstorm.
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> Also - bollocks
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> No storm
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> temp is about right
[21:21] <mikey_w> 100F in Richmond, VA.
[21:22] <ReggieUK> mind your language please SpeedEvil!
[21:23] <Thorn_> yeah, you disgusting frenchie you!
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[21:24] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. "ony" 88% humidity :)
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> I knew a Cooper who lived in Fife...
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> and we know a song about that, don't we boys and girls ... ;-)
[21:25] <IT_Sean> ...
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[21:26] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: I use them to determine humidity.
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, http://ingeb.org/songs/weecoope.html ploease don't as for a translation...
[21:26] <SpeedEvil> (And I did forget about which channel I was in momentaritly)
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[21:27] <sampo_v2> hi! the elinux.org rpi wiki troubleshooting page helped me get my pi booting. it linked to a version of bootcode.bin and asked to let "us" know if it helps
[21:27] <ReggieUK> np
[21:28] <sampo_v2> who should i report this to? i'm guessing they might be interested in the sd card model
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[21:30] <gordonDrogon> what page , sampo_v2
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[21:30] <SpeedEvil> Well - you could find the page, look at the history - see who added that comment, then comment on their userpage
[21:31] <sampo_v2> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
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[21:31] <sampo_v2> SpeedEvil: good point. otoh, it would make more sense if the text would tell people who to report it to :)
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[21:32] <gordonDrogon> ah, is it the link to the Hexxeh site?
[21:33] <sampo_v2> dunno. the bootcode was on github
[21:34] <sampo_v2> sorry. dropbox :)
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[21:34] <ReggieUK> reporting it on github would be appropriate in this case I would think
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[21:36] <sampo_v2> the nick of the person who added the bootcode is jhasler
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[21:39] <beardface> Check out my new project video if you get time: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1986127174/designing-an-affordable-and-beautiful-raspberry-pi
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[21:39] <beardface> rendered the animation in the end with sketchup :)
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[21:42] <bnmorgan> who did the animation?
[21:43] <bnmorgan> have a friend needing to do a fly through with sketchup, and i don't do anything but solidworks.
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[21:52] <sampo_v2> i'd like to try to port a synth for the pi. what toolchain options do i have? are there pre-packaged cross compilers available for ubuntu perhaps?
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[21:53] <gordonDrogon> sampo_v2, compile it on the Pi natively?
[21:53] <sampo_v2> gordonDrogon: that's not an option
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[21:54] <sampo_v2> gordonDrogon: the synth processing is a bit hard core and compiling on x86 for x86 takes multiple minutes and causes a short swap hell
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[21:54] <sampo_v2> gordonDrogon: i know it's a bit of a long shot to get it working on the pi, but i'd like to try it out. i'm especially interested if i could leverage the gpu
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[21:58] <Peanut> Meh.. mmc0: timeout waiting for hardware interrupt. So close..
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[22:03] <ReggieUK> which distro?
[22:04] <Peanut> The Debian April one - already updating my flash card
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[22:10] <DGnome> Greetings fellow Pi-enabled entities. I'm trying to make the debian6-image work with the boot-partition on SD and root+swap on usb-stick. The kernel identifies the usb-stick as scsi 0:0:0:0 and stops there, no sd 0:0:0:0 as expected and so on. Any ideas where I may have made my mistakes? :)
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> sampo_v2, I'd not hold out much hope of using the GPU directly.
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[22:11] <gordonDrogon> DGnome, ignore swap for now. in-fact don't even bother with a partition for it.
[22:11] <Gadgetoid> hello world
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> DGnome, you may need usb and usb storage compiled into the kernel rather than as modules too.
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[22:12] <DGnome> gordonDrogon: usb-drive = msdos partition table, 1 primary, ext4 fs?
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> DGnome, personally, I'd really not bother and just keep data on usb - all your doing is adding to the complexity and requirements to actually boot the pi.
[22:12] <beardface> gnmorgan: I did the animation
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> DGnome, you'll need the first partition to be ext4, not msdos/vfat.
[22:12] <beardface> bnmorgan ^^
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[22:13] <sampo_v2> gordonDrogon: i know there's no direct access. but there's a partial opengl implementation, right?
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> DGnome, ah, mis-readthat - that's fine.
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> sampo_v2, I'm not expert, but I understand it's OpenGL ES - whatever that is.
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[22:14] <DGnome> gordonDrogon: ok :) I have the rather happy problem of having just a 1GB microsd-card, that's why the USB-stick is in the mix...
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> DGnome, well - it's ambitious for your first time booting, I'll give you that!
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[22:15] <gordonDrogon> DGnome, but I think the key is the having the usb mass storage driver compiled in the kernel - it may be, I've forgotten though. then try root=/dev/sda1 in /boot/cmdline.txt
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[22:16] <DGnome> gordonDrogon: yup, cmdline.txt already modified as you stated
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[22:17] <DGnome> gordonDrogon: Seems as the support might not be compiled in, my linux-sence tingles to me :=
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> DGnome, if you want to be brave :)
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> DGnome, fetch this kernel: http://unicorn.drogon.net/kernel.img
[22:17] <Peanut> I accidently the whole github repo :-(
[22:17] <DGnome> gordonDrogon: seems I need to ask google a few times extra =P
[22:18] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I improved my Ruby WiringPi wrapper to be OO, kinda defeats the spirit of WiringPi though, so I'm feeling an urge to do a non-OO version too
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> but you'll also need bootcode.bin, loader.bin and start.elf from the same place...
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Heh... Do what feels right for you!
[22:19] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: ultimately, I like the idea of having bits of Arduino code copy-pastable into Ruby
[22:19] <DGnome> gordonDrogon: I'll keep that in mind, I'll try and get the "vanilla" up and running first :)
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> DGnome, that's the kernel I compiled and it has usb storage built in.
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[22:28] <DGnome> gordonDrogon: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5695#p76810 <-- always feels nice to find someone else with the same problem :)
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[22:30] <oldtopman> I've just got the terminal changed to us from gb in the /etc/default/keyboard file
[22:30] <thechef> Is the GPU driver preinstalled with the debian image? I only see OpenGL version 1.2 and wouldn't know where to get a driver.
[22:31] <oldtopman> I ran the setupcon after a reboot, but
[22:31] <passstab> it's shipping! :D
[22:31] <thechef> the driver?
[22:32] <oldtopman> The keyboard doesn't work in X anymore, and the errors are "cannot find extd in include file us"
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[22:33] <mikey_w> passstab: your raspi?
[22:33] <passstab> :D
[22:33] <passstab> yep
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[22:34] <mikey_w> What is your order date and from who?
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[22:34] <thechef> How do I enable hardware acceleration?
[22:34] <passstab> allied, gimme a minute
[22:34] <Peanut-Pi> W00t, I'm irc-ing from my Raspberry Pi :-)
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[22:35] <thechef> glxinfo says I'm running on the software rasterizer, but searching the wiki and the FAQ I get no hint at all.
[22:35] <passstab> mar 5
[22:35] <Peanut-Pi> Does anyone know how to change the keyboard layout away from UK?
[22:36] <oldtopman> Peanut-Pi: I do, but it breaks working things in X
[22:36] <oldtopman> You cannot type in X if you follow the guide!
[22:36] <Hopsy> How can I make this better? http://gyazo.com/a7f6df589aa0ed80f2de5ecc1bc33031.png?1341001314
[22:36] <oldtopman> (just as a warning)
[22:36] <oldtopman> Hopsy: Wrong chan
[22:36] <Peanut-Pi> oldtopman: Oh, interesting - I'm using it as a text-only Console at the moment though, no X yet - should it have come up in X ?
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[22:36] <Peanut-Pi> If I had X, I would have Googled it myself ;-)
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[22:37] <thechef> Peanut-Pi, http://elinux.org/RPi_Beginners#Keyboard_layout
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> Peanut: lynx
[22:37] <Peanut-Pi> Took me quite a bit to find where the Brits hide the # key to join the channel
[22:37] <oldtopman> Peanut-Pi: Heh.
[22:37] <chaoshax> Can the pi do 1080p 60fps?
[22:38] <oldtopman> Peanut-Pi: "nano /etc/default/keyboard" and change the part that says "gb" to "us"
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> Peanut-Pi, Shift-3.
[22:38] <oldtopman> Unfortunately, extd throws a hissy
[22:38] <DGnome> chaoshax: I have a hunch that says no
[22:38] <oldtopman> gordonDrogon: It's on the backslash, actually.
[22:38] <thechef> chaoshax, do you have a working hardware acceleration?
[22:38] <Peanut-Pi> gordonDrogon: Nooo, it's on the backslash above enter.
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> Peanut-Pi, sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[22:38] <chaoshax> thechef, no
[22:38] <Peanut-Pi> gordonDrogon: ah, that seems to be the nicest option, tnx
[22:38] <DGnome> gordonDrogon: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5695#p76810 <-- always feels nice to find someone else with the same problem :)
[22:38] <oldtopman> Peanut-Pi: What distro are you running?
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> DGnome, how do you know your problem is power... ?
[22:39] <Peanut-Pi> oldtopman: The Debian from github
[22:39] <DGnome> gordonDrogon: not the power part, the kernel :)
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> DGnome, ah, well the first thing you do when you get booted would be to upgrade the kernel anyway.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> now why has my IPv6 stopped working )-:
[22:40] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, Are there any tools for upgrading the kernel?
[22:40] <oldtopman> gordonDrogon: ANy idea what to do about the extd problem?
[22:40] <chaoshax> Apart from getting the .deb
[22:41] <oldtopman> chaoshax: I believe that you can get hexxeh's updater.
[22:41] <chaoshax> OK thanks
[22:41] <chaoshax> Isn't that firmware?
[22:41] <DGnome> gordonDrogon: You'll know to send the men in white coats when I go "It's AAALLIIIVEE!@#" :D
[22:41] <oldtopman> chaoshax: Hmm, maybe it is :/
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[22:46] <DGnome> gordonDrogon: Skynet allmighty, the Pi is alive!
[22:46] <chaoshax> Weird, I am trying to use my capture card but when I put it in 1080p 30fps, it has two screens
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, rpi-update is the best way.
[22:46] <chaoshax> Two duplicates of the same image.
[22:47] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, So that updates kernel as well?
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, yes.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> to the official kernel anyway...
[22:47] <chaoshax> Oh official kernel.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> I'm running: Linux pi2 3.2.21+ #2 PREEMPT Thu Jun 28 15:56:37 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[22:47] <chaoshax> I am using 3.2.21
[22:47] <chaoshax> And I had to get that from a deb
[22:48] <chaoshax> So the official one is lower isn't it?
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> what distro?
[22:48] <chaoshax> Wheezy
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> I'd probably stick with that then.
[22:48] <chaoshax> Are the packages alright or are some broken?
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[22:54] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, I've no idea - I won't use wheezy.
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, although I will use Raspbian - which is also wheezy, but it's raspbian.
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, I've honestly no idea at all why anyone is actually bothering with wheezy when Raspbian is there.
[22:55] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, I find it too minimalistic.
[22:55] <Peanut-Pi> Well, the keyboard is fixed, thanks - but 'startx' leads to no more listening to the keyboard (clock and load indicator still work).
[22:55] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, But other than it's great.
[22:55] <chaoshax> I cba installing packages all day long lol
[22:56] <Morgawr> hey guys.. I'm having some weird issues with my raspi... after a while of "intense" workload (like compiling some sources) it suddenly drops its connection, the ethernet doesn't respond and I can't log into ssh (it's a headless server) and I am forced to reboot. Can somebody help me? I can't figure out what the issue is. More details in the last post http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=9714&p=11
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[22:56] <Draylor> updated firmware?
[22:56] <SpeedEvil> Morgawr: what is your power supply, and do you have anything connected over USB?
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[22:56] <Morgawr> Draylor: I used the latest rpi-update
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[22:57] <Morgawr> SpeedEvil: nothing connected over USB, my power supply is a usb cable connected directly to my computer
[22:57] * Walther just managed to build a RPi based server into an old CD-drive
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> That may - depending on your computer - not quite be enough
[22:57] <Walther> RPi, powered hub, 320GB hdd
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> Walther: With the CD connected?
[22:57] <Walther> all snugly fit into a cd drive
[22:57] <Walther> SpeedEvil: of course not :D
[22:58] <Walther> I'm jsut having a hard time with my router (a one provided by the ISP)
[22:58] <Morgawr> SpeedEvil: eeh... I doubt it's not enough, I have a pretty good power supply for my computer (it's a "gaming machine") and I'd consider it unlikely... :(
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> I have made things out of an old CD drive.
[22:58] <Morgawr> (though I can't be sure, of course, any other ideas?)
[22:58] <Walther> NAT isn't doing its job as it should
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> Parts for a rat-trap, for example.
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> Morgawr: It's not that simple.
[22:58] <Peanut-Pi> The dpkg-reconfigure keyboard does have a bewildering number of options, by the way.
[22:58] <Draylor> 90% of issues are power related, you are doing something "odd" to power it - id rule that out first :)
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> Morgawr: The Pi draws slightly more than the rated current of USB ports.
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> Sensitive USB ports may current limit - either immediately, or after some time.
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> This is not due to the internal power supply of the computer being unable to cope.
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, what's too minimalistic?
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> But intentionally shutting off the port on overload to prevent possible dmaage.
[22:59] <Draylor> that doesnt mean the usb port you connect it to deliver enough power
[22:59] <Morgawr> SpeedEvil: I see... heh, looks like I will have to buy an external power adapter then
[22:59] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, Well I think I tried hexxehs image, that was pretty minimal.
[22:59] <Morgawr> but is it normal that the ethernet would just shut down and drop everything?
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, raspbian? just apt-get what you need. my raspbian is running xfce4 ..
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> Morgawr, it's probably some thing else. try this:
[23:00] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, Yes, which is annoying because there were so many things it didn't come up with that I had to install.
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> Morgawr, put this in /etc/sysctl.conf: vm.min_free_kbytes = 12288
[23:00] <chaoshax> I prefer it to have the basics.
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, all part of the learning :)
[23:01] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, Also I don;t particularly care about sd card footprint.
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> Morgawr, if that doesn't help it, then put smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N in /boot/cmdline.txt
[23:01] <Morgawr> gordonDrogon: I did some research, after the latest crash I added that to my /etc/sysctl.conf
[23:01] <chaoshax> So I just want something where I don't have to install a package every minute
[23:01] <Morgawr> I don't know if it fixed anything though, crashes are so erratic that it might crash or it might not
[23:01] <Morgawr> last time it went on fine for 4 hours before dropping connectivity
[23:01] <Morgawr> (4 hours of 100% cpu load btw)
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[23:02] <SpeedEvil> What is your rootfs on?
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, hard to know what to suggest then - I guess whoever put the wheezy together added in almost all the pacakgeds then..
[23:02] <Morgawr> SpeedEvil: ext4
[23:03] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, You know it didn't even have make.
[23:03] <chaoshax> I think everyone is going to use that
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, and?
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, no - I doubt it.
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> Morgawr: SD?
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, right now, us developers are though, but ultimately its aimed at schools who'll use IDEs and packages like scratch, python, etc.
[23:03] <Peanut-Pi> Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #138 PREEMPT Tue Jun 26 16:27:52 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, and if a developer can't apt-get install build-tools then ...
[23:04] <Morgawr> SpeedEvil: yes, it's a Sandisk SDHC 8GB
[23:04] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, I can but it's annoying.
[23:04] <Milos|Netbook> then install a real OS like Gentoo
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, is it? touble is, I've been doing it that way on debian for the past 18 years...
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, I always install a bare-bones system, then pull in what I need...
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, if you want everything, get ubuntu :)
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[23:05] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, Yeah some people like it differently, nothing objective about it :D
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> any ipv6 experts here?
[23:05] <chaoshax> I come from mint you know, not particularly a linux old timer.
[23:06] <Draylor> learn to speak debian :)
[23:06] <Draylor> youll be glad you did in the end
[23:06] * markbook wishes people would get over what is essentially "tastes great/less filling".
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> pi's can pin6 each other & my desktop, but they can't pin6 the fscking router ...
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> what have I done to the router )-:
[23:07] <chaoshax> Anyway, let's see if I can get v4l working
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[23:09] <Lartza> aww
[23:09] <Lartza> openarena nor xmoto run well
[23:10] <Lartza> Both unplayable since the main menu is unusable :P
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[23:11] <Lartza> Are any games actually playable on Pi?
[23:11] <_inc> ninvaders
[23:11] <Lartza> ;) Well
[23:11] <mjr> nethack
[23:11] <Lartza> nethack
[23:11] <Lartza> Yeah
[23:11] <Lartza> :D
[23:12] <Peanut-Pi> mjr, Lartza: damn, just beat me to it.
[23:12] <Peanut-Pi> apt-get install gnuchess anyone?
[23:12] <Lartza> Actually all I need is nethack! Bye! ;)
[23:12] <Lartza> Peanut-Pi, 3D?
[23:12] <_inc> CataclysmRL
[23:12] <Cheery> heehee
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[23:12] <Cheery> nethack
[23:12] <Peanut-Pi> Lartza: dunno, I still haven't gotten X to work.
[23:12] <Lartza> Peanut-Pi, ;)
[23:12] <Lartza> I tried xmoto and openarena
[23:12] <Lartza> wont work
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[23:12] <Lartza> (raspbian repo packages)
[23:13] <Lartza> Maybe with real porting
[23:13] <Peanut-Pi> Is there any news on small touchscreens to go on top of a RPI?
[23:14] <Lartza> Peanut-Pi, Loading gnuchess
[23:14] <Lartza> Takes a while that is ;)
[23:14] <Lartza> Well I am using 128 split so
[23:15] <Lartza> Peanut-Pi, Seems it's not loading :(
[23:16] <Peanut-Pi> Aww, too bad
[23:16] <ReggieUK> try adafruit
[23:16] <Peanut-Pi> BBL
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[23:16] <ReggieUK> they've got 3.5mm composite touchscreens
[23:16] <ReggieUK> erm
[23:16] <ReggieUK> rca composite*
[23:17] <Draylor> 3.5mm touchscreen? that'd be awesome
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[23:19] <ReggieUK> you could fairly simply emulate a serial ts using an attiny/atmega chip and just use a $4 ds TS
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[23:19] <ReggieUK> sorry, that should've sai serial ts driver
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[23:19] <ReggieUK> said*
[23:20] <ReggieUK> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/06/28/new-products-ntscpal-television-tft-displays-1-5-2-0-2-5-3-5-diagonal/
[23:20] <ReggieUK> http://www.adafruit.com/products/913
[23:21] <ReggieUK> but really, for that money once you figure shipping in, you might as well buy a reversing lcd off ebay
[23:21] <ReggieUK> and get it in a case etc.
[23:21] <ReggieUK> in fact
[23:21] <ReggieUK> meh
[23:21] <ReggieUK> looking at it, those are just bare reversing camera lcds
[23:22] <Peanut> The screenshot does look cute.
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> ugh. stupid radvd.
[23:22] <Peanut> Nothing yet that uses the onboard screen-connector?
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> http://vimeo.com/44801709 - awesome ISS video - Lightning, the milky way, aurora, and earthlights all in the same shot.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> so ... brb.
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[23:24] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo. ipv6 connectivity.
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> again.
[23:24] <Milos|Netbook> native?
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[23:24] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:24] <Milos|Netbook> nice
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> I have a /56 for the home/office LAN and my ISP supports it.
[23:25] <Milos|Netbook> I have a /48 but it's just a tunnel
[23:25] <Milos|Netbook> so you win :D
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> I have a /48 in the data centre...
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> just need time to make everything use it now.
[23:26] <Milos|Netbook> :P
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> I missed out on ipv6 day this year - just too busy with other stuff.
[23:27] <cehteh> SpeedEvil: imo the cupola is the nicest thing on the ISS :)
[23:28] <cehteh> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupola
[23:28] <oldtopman> gordonDrogon: It worked. No idea *how* it worked, but it did. Thanks!
[23:29] <oldtopman> Has anyone here got bluetooth working?
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> oldtopman, er, what worked...
[23:31] <oldtopman> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> a-ha right. good!
[23:32] <oldtopman> Bluetooth?
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> never used it I'm afraid...
[23:32] <oldtopman> Curses.
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> ncurses...
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:33] <oldtopman> sdl-TTF
[23:34] <DarkNyan> What do you guys think about FishPi?
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[23:34] <plugwash> they have a long way to go.....
[23:34] <plugwash> and power is likely to be a BIG problem
[23:35] <DarkNyan> Yeah, I can see a dolphin attacking a FishPi and suddenly the battery flings out.
[23:35] <markbook> It's the same as SpyPi and HeliPi and SailPi...
[23:35] <plugwash> the Pi is low power by mains powered device standards but once you get into long term battery operation the arm embedded boards start to look like power pigs
[23:35] <plugwash> Pi included
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> yea, power is going to be their biggest issue.
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> the boat is too small.
[23:36] <DarkNyan> Well a dual solarpower and backup power hybrid...
[23:36] <markbook> How much battery would it take to keep your cell phone running with the GPS enabled long enough to do a sail powered atlantic crossing?
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> needs to be bigger to carry batterys & solar cells...
[23:36] <plugwash> the current boat is only a proof of concept afaict
[23:36] <plugwash> they are using a sandwitch box ffs
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> proof of concept on a loch will be fine.
[23:37] <markbook> Hey, you don't know the real problems until you try
[23:37] <DGnome> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/lipo-rider-pro-p-992.html
[23:37] <plugwash> long term ocean operation will be massively harder and massively more expensive
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> then there's corrosion...
[23:38] <plugwash> personally if I was doing something like that i'd probablly fill the electronics enclosure with grease
[23:38] <DarkNyan> I also heard that Bulgaria and Greece ordered about half a dozen Pis for use in Mini UAVs.
[23:38] <markbook> it's easy enough to seal a chamber
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> I've worked/crewed//owned/dives off boats for many years in the past...
[23:38] <plugwash> nonconductive grease of course...
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[23:38] <markbook> they do it with deep sea ROVs and UAVs
[23:38] <DGnome> here goes rpi-update... wish me luck!
[23:38] <DarkNyan> Well I still have to think, how does the FishPi communicate data back?
[23:39] <DarkNyan> Doesn't it need a satellite modem or osmething?
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> does it have to communicate back?
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> other than "I'm here" when it lands...
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> satellite modems are power hungry..
[23:39] <DarkNyan> For the most part, I prefer not to fly to Vietnam and stroll hundreds of kilometers of beachheads.
[23:40] <DarkNyan> They said they were going to test it in large lakes for the POV first.
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[23:40] <ReggieUK> what does greece need to order pi and uavs for?
[23:40] <chaoshax> How is it going to cope with waves?
[23:41] <DarkNyan> Yeah, thats why theres like a 85% chance it's not going to make it.
[23:41] <chaoshax> Need to get a bit of air.
[23:41] <chaoshax> Like 1 m higher might do :P
[23:41] <DarkNyan> I mean you have dolphin attacks, sharks, islands in the ways, hurricanes, storms, Chuck Norris, oncoming collisional boats, etc
[23:42] <DarkNyan> And then when it comes onto shore, some idiot is going to think it's a bomb.
[23:42] <chaoshax> Someone should make a ground effect drone.
[23:42] <chaoshax> Now that could go far.
[23:42] <markbook> s/Someone/you/ ;-)
[23:42] <chaoshax> Ha ha, maintaining the high would be very hard
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[23:43] <chaoshax> But with large solar array then you might be able to go far.
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> it's unlikely to be attacked my marine animals.
[23:43] <ReggieUK> unless you make smell of fish and blood
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> also unlkely to hit a big boat too.
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> or be hit by one.
[23:44] <markbook> You can overclock a processor. Can you underclock it?
[23:44] <lansiir> True.
[23:44] <chaoshax> markbook, yes
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[23:44] <lansiir> I just wonder how they're goin to find it.
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[23:45] <chaoshax> There was a guy on a forums who had pretty much unlimited flight time in the day using a solar array and thermals.
[23:45] <markbook> You could have a seperate battery powered beacon which is triggered independently.
[23:45] <chaoshax> On an amateur drone.
[23:46] <DarkNyan> Well it's going to cost like $200 or something.
[23:46] <DarkNyan> What do you guys think?
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> finding it isn't hard- that technology exists to get back stuff that they send up on baloons, etc.
[23:50] <lansiir> True, but a large solar array won't do well in the ocean.
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[23:50] <gordonDrogon> it'll be fine if the platform can keep it about 1/2 a metre above the sea
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> it would need to be flat as anything else will act as a sail.
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> and more or less defeat the purpose as the motor won't be strong enough.
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[23:51] <DarkNyan> Solar Panels and a backup battery should be nessacary.
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> just a battery, if it has a backup, it will need to charge that too...
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[23:52] <DarkNyan> ^
[23:52] <markbook> I don't think the mechanical stuff will be too hard.
[23:52] <chaoshax> You can get cheaper components than he is suggesting.
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> don't underestimate the effects of salt...
[23:52] <markbook> I think it's largely a matter of resource book-keeping.
[23:53] <DarkNyan> GPS costs around 10ish, correct?
[23:53] <chaoshax> You see that flytron gps module.
[23:53] <chaoshax> That's a rip off.
[23:53] <chaoshax> You can get 5 hz gps for ?15
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> DarkNyan: More like 20
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> nope...
[23:53] <DarkNyan> Nope.
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> thinking along the wring lines.
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> You only want to activate the GPS every 5-10 miuntes
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> DarkNyan: counting the antenna and stuff.
[23:53] <DarkNyan> GPS chips costs around 5 dollars for the most part.
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> GPS is a battery killer.
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> DarkNyan: Not in ones.
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> DarkNyan: and not for actual purchasable chips.
[23:54] <DarkNyan> Hm..
[23:54] <DarkNyan> correct.
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> So what you need is a GPS that has FAST acquisition time. One iwth it's own separate standby power supply
[23:54] <chaoshax> Is it going to have an imu?
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> it needs a compass.
[23:54] <chaoshax> because you might be able to use gyro for keeping course.
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> You don't need fast acquisition time - you need good warm-standby, and low consumption in that mode.
[23:55] <chaoshax> Magnometer is probably better.
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> And the compass is seperate.
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[23:55] <gordonDrogon> that might be handy, but a digital compass will be fine between GPS fixes.
[23:55] <DarkNyan> it needs to take pictures and readings as well.
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> Tehre are various options for reporting position - for example - SPOT
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> of waht - blue sky or waves? :)
[23:55] <DarkNyan> You can't expect a GPS to do that.
[23:56] <chaoshax> Use an attiny!
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[23:56] <DarkNyan> scientific measurements
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> use anything but a Pi..
[23:56] <DarkNyan> What are the expected capabilities & functions of the FishPi?
[23:56] <DarkNyan> Autonomous navigation, environmental measurements and observations, long-term operations, data-logging, and two-way communications via satellite.
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> A pi is a deeply stupid option. It will _vastly_ inflate your power budget.
[23:56] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, Needs that for webcam.
[23:56] <chaoshax> But yeah it's going to draw loads.
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> Unless you externally power it off and on.
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> Which pretty much means an external micro.
[23:57] <Lartza> The 3.5mm out can't be used as microphone in?
[23:57] <chaoshax> No.
[23:57] <Lartza> Aww
[23:57] <chaoshax> The pi could be booted every day.
[23:57] <chaoshax> To take pictures.
[23:57] <markbook> SepeedEvil: you could do the switching on/off with passive environmental sensors and a mechanical timer.
[23:57] <chaoshax> Then turned off.
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> It's simpler to use a microcontroller.
[23:58] <DarkNyan> Pi doesn't have a BIOs though...
[23:58] <chaoshax> You could probably fit it on an attiny.
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> webcam... *sigh* have you ever been in a boat in the middle of the ocean? I have. Boring as a boring thing it is. There is *nothing* to protograph!
[23:58] <DarkNyan> Nvm.
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> Even an arduino if you want something canned.
[23:58] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, Well what's the path?
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> none that you'll ever see.
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[23:58] <markbook> and oil tankers
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> put a camera under the boat.
[23:58] <markbook> and rogue russian subs.
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> It can photograph Spongebob.
[23:58] <DarkNyan> You could discover a animal that could've been considered extinct.
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> you'll see blue/green.
[23:59] <DarkNyan> You could find coporate malice or enviromental screwups.
[23:59] <ReggieUK> I spy with my little eye something beginning with W or B or S
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> you could find nothing. you will find nothing.
[23:59] <ReggieUK> pretty much covers it in a boat
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[23:59] <chaoshax> But really you could do this very cheaply with a attiny with a magnometer and gps.
[23:59] <DarkNyan> Is it under or over?
[23:59] <markbook> it's a stunt. It's a stretch. So let them try and see what happens.

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