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IRC Log for 2012-06-30

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[0:00] <DarkNyan> It will be functionable, but it will not reach it's transalantic crossing goal.
[0:00] <chaoshax> What about currents?
[0:00] <DarkNyan> Might work for a medium sized river though like Fraser River.
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[0:01] <chaoshax> because you would need to draw loads even to move forwards in those conditions.
[0:01] <DarkNyan> Or tracking salmon movements.
[0:01] <DarkNyan> Fraser has somewhat fast currents.
[0:02] <chaoshax> Sail boat is what I would do.
[0:02] <DarkNyan> I'd rather see the Pi launched in a satellite taking pictures of Afghanistan.
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[0:04] <gordonDrogon> DarkNyan, there are much better devices for doing than than a Pi..
[0:05] <DarkNyan> But the Pi is availible easily and cheaply to the public at a small size.
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[0:05] <chaoshax> DarkNyan, So are many other things.
[0:05] <chaoshax> Small spy camera could do that.
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[0:06] <chaoshax> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&NR=1&v=UwyI2aXrOq8
[0:06] <chaoshax> Or that design
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[0:07] <chaoshax> Look even this
[0:07] <chaoshax> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlaKy4QFHvM&feature=related
[0:08] <Lartza> SK pang Starter Kit any good?
[0:08] <Lartza> I've not really familiarised myself with much electronics so :P
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> I've got a couple of them. (SKP kits)
[0:09] <Lartza> I've done some PICAXE stuff but that's all
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, start here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/ :-)
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[0:10] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, First I need the GPIO accessories ;)
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[0:11] <Lartza> Well I have some leds lying around and such but :/
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, the SKP Starter kit has all you need.
[0:11] <Lartza> yeah
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, that's a start - the tricky thing to find is the female to male jumper leads if you already have a breadboard.
[0:11] <Lartza> model b has more than I need ;)
[0:11] <Lartza> No breadboard :P
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html
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[0:14] <Lartza> Dear god...
[0:14] <Lartza> 9.12 pounds for shipping
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> was it?
[0:15] <Lartza> Yeah
[0:15] <Lartza> To Finland
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[0:16] <gordonDrogon> Ah.
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> No shops like that ove there?
[0:16] <Lartza> Well
[0:16] <Lartza> Probably none that would sell packs like that
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> Hm
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[0:27] <ReggieUK> what did you choose as the shipping method?
[0:27] <ReggieUK> did it offer you royal mail?
[0:27] <Lartza> ReggieUK, Not sure
[0:27] <Lartza> sec
[0:27] <Lartza> Royal Mail Airmail International Signed For 8.62??
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[0:28] <j0nnymoe> evening
[0:28] <ReggieUK> ouch, what about unsigned?
[0:28] <Lartza> ReggieUK, That is the only option
[0:28] <ReggieUK> of course you have to take the hit if the parcel doesn't arrive
[0:28] <Milos|Netbook> unsigned int
[0:28] <warddr> Hello all, can I use every wireless dongel that works with linux on a raspberry pi?
[0:28] <SpeedEvil> No.
[0:29] <Milos|Netbook> as long as you have the drivers and a powered hub
[0:29] <Milos|Netbook> SpeedEvil, yes
[0:29] <SpeedEvil> You can use those that can run with drivers compiled solely from source.
[0:29] <SpeedEvil> Firmware blobs are fine.
[0:29] <j0nnymoe> Having a major problem here with my Pi, no display output on my HDTV, though the Pi sends the signel to change the channel but nothing displays
[0:29] <j0nnymoe> any ideas?
[0:29] <SpeedEvil> ndiswrapper type solutions do not work
[0:29] <j0nnymoe> tried, multiple hdmi cables/hdtv's
[0:29] <warddr> Is there a list of supported wifi-dongels or something like that?
[0:29] <j0nnymoe> and reflashed my sd card a couple times
[0:30] <ReggieUK> it's dongle and if there are it will be on the wiki
[0:30] <j0nnymoe> also the LED's show activity on the SD Card/Network port
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[0:30] <ReggieUK> have you tried the troubleshooting section on the wiki j0nnymoe?
[0:30] <Milos|Netbook> signel, dongel, what will be next
[0:30] <j0nnymoe> ReggieUK, yea, tried the config.txt stuff for the display stuff
[0:31] <j0nnymoe> still no joy
[0:31] <j0nnymoe> just wondering if there is anything else i can try before i take it to a friends tomorrow to try it on his setup
[0:31] <j0nnymoe> as he's got a working pi setup
[0:31] <j0nnymoe> so will just swap out the pi's and that should tell me if i have a problem
[0:31] <ReggieUK> TV with composite connection on it?
[0:31] <j0nnymoe> err
[0:31] <j0nnymoe> think it has
[0:31] <j0nnymoe> never use it though
[0:32] <ReggieUK> first time for everything
[0:32] <j0nnymoe> true
[0:32] <ReggieUK> although it won't tell you much about the hdmi it will at least give you the opportunity to play with it
[0:32] <j0nnymoe> yea
[0:32] <j0nnymoe> rather hdmi though
[0:33] <ReggieUK> have you made sure you've got a decent power supply, tested tp1/tp2, checked the current rating on your keyboard/mouse, got a powered usb hub?
[0:33] <j0nnymoe> afaik its the correct power supply
[0:33] <j0nnymoe> says its the same specs as my htc one
[0:34] <j0nnymoe> it didnt boot even without the kb/mouse plugged in
[0:34] <ReggieUK> do you have a meter to test the voltage?
[0:34] <j0nnymoe> nah
[0:35] <Artox> I was wondering if someone knows if sond works on the debian wheezy image because I am not getting any with mplayer
[0:35] <Artox> but I do with aplay
[0:35] <ReggieUK> erm, kind of answered your question yourself really
[0:35] <Artox> partly
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[0:37] <j0nnymoe> ReggieUK, I guess im correct, dodgy sd card/bad flash = blank screen?
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> yes
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> if it doesn't start to boot - no video
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> You get video after the GPU has loaded its firmware
[0:38] <j0nnymoe> all LED's on
[0:38] <j0nnymoe> still nothing on screen
[0:39] <j0nnymoe> only lan and hdmi connected
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[0:40] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Why are those m/f wires so special??
[0:40] <Lartza> I can find some from Austria with 9??? of postage or the ones at SKP
[0:40] <Artox> by default mplayer is using null for audio output. when I give it -ao alsa, it will error:
[0:40] <Artox> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound
[0:41] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, hi. not special, just nice to use - and I've not found another source of them.
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[0:44] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Straight from SParkFUn from USA is cheapest ATM :D
[0:44] <Lartza> 8.18??? for pack of 10
[0:45] <Lartza> that includes shipping
[0:45] <ReggieUK> ebay
[0:46] <ReggieUK> get some chinese ones
[0:46] <ReggieUK> free shipping usually
[0:46] <Lartza> ReggieUK, I doubt there are any :S
[0:46] <Lartza> There wasn't on dealextreme
[0:47] <plugwash> if you have an old unwanted PC case, some offcuts of resistor leg and some heatshrink arround it's probablly pretty easy to make your own
[0:48] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Male-To-Female-Breadborad-Jumper-Wire-/280673914784?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4159780fa0
[0:48] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Female-to-Male-Breadboard-Jumper-Wire-Cable-Kit-For-ATmega328-2560-board-PIC-MCU-/150846172841?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item231f21eea9
[0:48] <Lartza> ahh yea
[0:48] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/30pcs-20cm-2-54mm-1pin-female-male-jumper-wire-Dupont-cable-Arduino-competible-/180917141824?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1f808140
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[0:53] <Lartza> hm
[0:53] <Lartza> so
[0:53] <Lartza> now I just need the other stuff :P
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[0:58] <ReggieUK> all easy to get from ebay
[0:59] <ReggieUK> and you'll get more for your money
[0:59] <Lartza> Yeah
[0:59] <Lartza> or dealextreme
[0:59] <Lartza> jumper wires (male-male) cheaper there
[1:03] <gordonDrogon> enjoy shopping. I'm off t obed!
[1:05] <Lartza> Is 270R some special resistor?
[1:05] <Lartza> or just 270 ohms?
[1:05] <plugwash> 270R is indeed electronics jargon for 270 ohms
[1:06] <plugwash> it doesn't in itself tell you anything about what type of resistor you require
[1:06] <plugwash> what is this resistor for?
[1:07] <ReggieUK> leds
[1:07] <Lartza> plugwash, GPIO just looking at what the starter kits have and finding then on ebay ;)
[1:07] <Lartza> I have resistors already home but
[1:07] <Lartza> Not that many
[1:07] <plugwash> mmm, I'm guessing they are intending you to use them as series resistors for LEDs
[1:08] <plugwash> and for that pretty much any resistor of the right resistance will do
[1:08] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Workshop-Components-Kits-Package-A-For-Arduino-Starter-/280851574824?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41640ef028
[1:09] <Lartza> ReggieUK, Mhh
[1:10] <Cheery> I'm not feeling sleepy although I should sleep
[1:10] <Lartza> 21.6 pounds
[1:10] <Cheery> -_-
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[1:11] <Lartza> ReggieUK, SKP is highly overpriced
[1:11] <Lartza> Oh wait they sell the case too...
[1:11] <plugwash> It always makes me uneasy the way it's standard practice among chinese sellers to lie on customs forms
[1:11] <Cheery> I just figured out how to make a very neat assembly encoding description, which produces both assembler and disassembler
[1:11] <Lartza> plugwash, :D
[1:11] <Lartza> plugwash, I know even if it was something that didn't need it
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[1:12] <plugwash> especially because AIUI the recipiant is legally responsible
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[1:12] <Lartza> Not sure
[1:12] <aykut|rpi> hi
[1:12] <plugwash> and that kit ReggieUK linked is high enough value that if honestly labellled it would be liable for VAT
[1:12] <Cheery> thinking about designing one to aid the hacking of reverse engineers and chip designers
[1:12] <Lartza> plugwash, Buttt
[1:13] <Lartza> plugwash, I found all those separate for little less :P
[1:13] <Lartza> WEll maybe not
[1:13] <Lartza> But I haz 200 resistors
[1:13] <Lartza> also 70 male-female jumper wires
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[1:14] <SSilver2k2> TGIF
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[1:17] <Lartza> plugwash, No 270 resistors in thet kit!
[1:17] <Lartza> Oh noes
[1:19] <plugwash> the exact value of LED series resistors is NOT critical
[1:19] <plugwash> especially when you are just experimenting and therefore have no need to max out the LEDs
[1:19] <Lartza> ;)
[1:20] <ReggieUK> the case is 2 pieces of perspex cut to look pretty
[1:20] <ReggieUK> it's a case in name only
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[1:20] <Lartza> still need the male female wires
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[1:20] <Lartza> 38.96 dollars hmm
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[1:20] <Lartza> in total not just the wires ;)
[1:21] <oldtopman> Does anyone here run the downloads page on raspberrypi.org?
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[1:22] <oldtopman> The new password for Debian is "suse"
[1:22] <Lartza> ReggieUK, Thanks for the link to the kit I'll probably get that :)
[1:22] <ReggieUK> no worries but you should really look around a bit more
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[1:23] <Lartza> actually same seller who is selling the male to female
[1:23] <ReggieUK> I just searched for 'arduino starter kit'
[1:23] <Lartza> yeah well
[1:23] <Lartza> ;)
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[1:23] <ReggieUK> be careful of the ones that actually come with an arduino too!
[1:23] <Lartza> ReggieUK, That is actually cheap when you count everything together
[1:23] <Lartza> I got to 21 pounds with the items I found
[1:25] <ReggieUK> the hobbyist places are fine but for the simple stuff like leds/resistors/capacitors/transistors/jumpers then it's ebay all the way
[1:25] <ReggieUK> you might have to wait a few weeks for the bits to arrive
[1:25] <Lartza> Yeah well I'm used to dealextreme so ;)
[1:25] <ReggieUK> so there are caveats but if cost is your concern then you can't beat free shipping :D
[1:25] <dj_hamsta> so i just realized that xbmc is slow as shit in the pi
[1:25] <dj_hamsta> does the debian distro have a browser
[1:25] <dj_hamsta> ?
[1:26] <Lartza> dj_hamsta, OpenElec or raspbmc xbmc?
[1:26] <ReggieUK> mind your language please dj_hamsta!
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[1:26] <bnmorgan> anyone have problem with avi on darkelec
[1:27] <ReggieUK> the wheezy beta has a browser
[1:27] <dj_hamsta> Lartza raspbmc xbmc
[1:27] <Lartza> dj_hamsta, I've heard openelec GUI is faster/smoother
[1:27] <Lartza> I have only tried openelec so can't compare
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[1:29] <dj_hamsta> ReggieUK, will do.
[1:29] <dj_hamsta> ty
[1:30] <dj_hamsta> errr Lartza, do i need a linux distro to install openelec?
[1:30] <bnmorgan> no, it is one
[1:30] <Lartza> dj_hamsta, No
[1:30] <Lartza> Oh wait..
[1:30] <netman87> there is no X accel drivers?
[1:30] <Lartza> bnmorgan, He does need linux
[1:31] <bnmorgan> oh?
[1:31] <Lartza> The installer is python and uses linux commands to install it
[1:31] <bnmorgan> ok. darkelec doesnt at least that i can tell
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> netman87: correct
[1:31] <Lartza> bnmorgan, Images yeah?
[1:31] <netman87> SpeedEvil: someones working with that matter?
[1:31] <bnmorgan> no, avi movies.
[1:31] <dj_hamsta> what a pita, raspbmc was a two click install
[1:32] <mikey_w> Just ordered a case from adafruit. Only 28 were left.
[1:32] <Lartza> dj_hamsta, It's too on Linux ;)
[1:32] <netman87> i did just test running supertux with RPi and i did get 24-33fps with software/cpu and about freezed when tried opengl (software)
[1:32] <bnmorgan> does rasbmc do avi ?
[1:32] <Lartza> netman87, raspbian or?
[1:32] <netman87> debina squeeze
[1:32] <Lartza> bnmorgan, Should yeah
[1:32] <netman87> debian*
[1:32] <Lartza> bnmorgan, Might suck but ;P
[1:32] <netman87> havent tested anything else yet
[1:33] <netman87> anyone tried overclocking?
[1:33] <netman87> and is there anyway to improve SD speeds?
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[1:33] <ReggieUK> what speed are you currently getting?
[1:34] <dj_hamsta> get class 10 sd card
[1:34] <Lartza> netman87, Overclocking yeah, works fine :)
[1:34] <dj_hamsta> Lartza, have u placed heatsinks on the chips?
[1:34] <Lartza> My Pi was quite hot when compiling ffmpeg(and failing later on...) but :P
[1:34] <dj_hamsta> they do get hot
[1:34] <Lartza> dj_hamsta, Nope
[1:36] <netman87> ReggieUK: well havent tested. class 4 card atm so im not sure how far i can get with it.. swapfile was created about 3.5MB/s i think
[1:36] <Lartza> Class 2 card <3
[1:36] <Lartza> Works fine
[1:36] <Lartza> :)
[1:36] <dj_hamsta> Lartza http://dx.com/p/aluminum-cooler-heat-sink-chipset-for-ram-memory-w-type-8-piece-set-35816?item=26 might be a good idea
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[1:36] <Lartza> dj_hamsta, For pussies :P
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[1:36] <Lartza> Language!
[1:37] <Lartza> I use the excuse that it's 2:35
[1:37] <netman87> Lartza: tried to adjust anything to get SD work faster? i have few so its no problem if i burn few SD cards
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[1:37] <Lartza> netman87, Nope since I am getting Class 10 on monday (borrowed it away)
[1:37] <Lartza> Getting it back on monday HOPEFULLY
[1:37] <Lartza> 16GB :P
[1:38] <netman87> yeah i also didnt but yet faster ones as im not sure if i even need RPi for anything
[1:38] <ReggieUK> netman, if you haven't tested anything, we can't tell you whether you can make it any faster
[1:38] <Lartza> netman87, Well why did you get one then?? :D
[1:38] <ReggieUK> to have the fastest drivers for any card, get the wheezy image
[1:38] <Lartza> I can't wait for GPIO fiddling <3
[1:38] <netman87> ReggieUK: but there maybe some article/data/blog entry about fine tuning something
[1:39] <ReggieUK> it's just easier than getting the squeeze image and updating
[1:39] <ReggieUK> no
[1:39] <Lartza> ReggieUK, I have that <3 and the Class 2 card :P
[1:39] <netman87> i can test it based on that :)
[1:39] <ReggieUK> you just need the driver patches that are in wheezy
[1:39] <Lartza> oh wait I have raspbian
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[1:39] <ReggieUK> the driver patches might also be in raspbian
[1:39] <ReggieUK> probably are
[1:39] <Lartza> Yeah
[1:39] <Lartza> armhf vs soft fp
[1:39] <plugwash> my advice for now is to use rpi-update to get the latest foundation kernel and firmware
[1:39] <Lartza> Now to bed! Good night all
[1:40] <Jimmy06> rpi-update ?
[1:40] <plugwash> we have a kernel package in raspbian but I've been having problems with it so I can't advise using it at this time
[1:40] <Lartza> Jimmy06, atleast on raspbian, updates firmware etc
[1:40] <Lartza> Night all :)
[1:40] <plugwash> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
[1:40] <netman87> can i just: apt-get dist-upgrade
[1:40] <Jimmy06> ah right is apt-get update the right method for the debian release i hope so :p lol
[1:41] <netman87> oh but i need to dist-upgrade if its wheezy
[1:41] <plugwash> apt-get will update the packages but only the armel wheezy image has everything in packaged form right now
[1:41] <netman87> i need to create my card again :(
[1:41] <plugwash> so for other images (squeeze, raspbian etc) you need to use rpi-update to update the pi specific stuff
[1:42] <netman87> rpi-update=?
[1:42] <Tenchworks> netman87: 19:38:48] <+plugwash> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
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[1:45] <netman87> so that updates kernel and firmwares
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[1:48] <plugwash> and the videocore binaries/libraries
[1:48] <dirty_d> mervaka, any luck?
[1:49] <netman87> hmm, does it have verbose logging?
[1:49] <netman87> i wanna see what it does
[1:51] <Jimmy06> pi@raspberrypi:~$ sudo rpi-update
[1:51] <Jimmy06> pi@raspberrypi:~$
[1:52] <Jimmy06> lol
[1:52] <netman87> i dont have pi user account or sudo
[1:52] <neofutur> try ./rpi-update
[1:52] <Milos> netman87, if you want to see what it does open the file and read it?
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[1:53] <Jimmy06> -bash: ./rpi-update: No such file or directory
[1:53] <netman87> i did remove pi user and marks of it and create my own :)
[1:53] <netman87> im using root account with su
[1:53] <neofutur> also perhaps theres no new version ?
[1:53] <netman87> Milos: i did already
[1:53] <Milos> Great.
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[1:54] <Milos> No need for verbose logging then.
[1:54] <netman87> well its good to have that feature
[1:54] <netman87> Using ARM/GPU memory split of 192MB/64MB
[1:54] <netman87> hmm i need to run again
[1:55] <netman87> by reading script it seems like i cant give GPU only 16MB... why?
[1:55] <Jimmy06> theres the reason it did nothing the files empty lol
[1:55] <plugwash> netman87, because broadcom doesn't do a firmware file for that split
[1:56] <plugwash> someone suggested a way to hack the firmware files to get other splits but I dunno if it still works with the latest firmware
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[1:56] <neofutur> Jimmy06: same thing if you rm -f /boot/.firmware_revision ?
[1:56] <Jimmy06> possably
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[1:57] <Jimmy06> but there again you could stop being a @*~#@
[1:58] <Jimmy06> there its doing stuffz now
[1:59] <netman87> oh btw is there compatible SoC's for RPi board?
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[2:02] <netman87> /opt/vc/sbin/vcfiled: error while loading shared libraries: libvchiq_arm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[2:03] <SpeedEvil> netman87: the SoC is a custom broadcom one with no documents, that you can't buy
[2:05] <dirty_d> netman87, add /opt/vc/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH or to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig
[2:06] <DGnome> This feels dirty, my Pi now has php5 installed :/
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[2:08] <netman87> haha more dirty than 5 USD wh**e's
[2:10] <DGnome> yeah, really need to get rid of it but for now my app relies on php to render data
[2:13] <oddy> hey everone, i've been messing with .xessions to flirt with different window managers, how can i get back to lxde?
[2:13] <DGnome> and also, reading serial ports with python seems to work a bit differently than on a linux pc
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[2:13] <bnmorgan> "Kernel panic - not syncing:
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[2:20] <bnmorgan> anybody know minimum sd size for raspbmc?
[2:20] <bnmorgan> i think my card is hosed.
[2:21] <ccssnet> bnmorgan: you can rescue the card
[2:21] <bnmorgan> i keep getting this final write still running
[2:21] <ccssnet> run e2fsck -fc on it
[2:21] <bnmorgan> timeout waiting for hw interrup cmd 12
[2:21] <ccssnet> cant be mounted ^
[2:22] <bnmorgan> and errror -110 sending stop command
[2:22] <netman87> /dev/mmcblk0: Timing cached reads: 288 MB in 2.00 seconds = 144.00 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 58 MB in 3.05 seconds = 19.04 MB/sec
[2:22] <bnmorgan> final write still running
[2:22] <bnmorgan> not typing the whbeen doing that for several nevermind
[2:22] <bnmorgan> it just decided to go on
[2:22] <ccssnet> bnmorgan: well if you want to risk killing more sectors let it finish. otherwise go run the command i showed you
[2:22] <bnmorgan> partitioning now
[2:22] <bnmorgan> i'll just leave the SOB alone for a while
[2:22] * bnmorgan stomps off to go hunt some patience
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[2:30] <netman87> hmm supertux takes 50-60% of CPU and X takes rest
[2:31] <netman87> when it freezes for for little time tux teleports always to left side
[2:34] <netman87> hmm mplayer playing mp3 and cpu usage is about 80-90%
[2:36] <netman87> hmm and did drop to 40-50% when i did hide terminal to tray
[2:36] <netman87> sorry i mean system bar
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[2:43] <netman87> hmm what should i try next
[2:44] <netman87> hmm is there temperature sensors on it? can i read temperature from system?
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[2:47] <SpeedEvil> There are none.
[2:49] <netman87> damn. and i dont have IR temperature sensors here
[2:49] <dirty_d> its to hot?
[2:49] <dirty_d> toooo
[2:49] <netman87> nah i just wanted to try our temperatures and try some overclocking
[2:50] <netman87> try out*
[2:50] <netman87> hmm my videoprojector fan is going to broke soon... damn annoying sound
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[2:50] <dirty_d> i dont believe temp is an issue with overclocking it
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[2:51] <dirty_d> just dont mess with the voltage or youll void the warrantee, if you care
[2:53] <bnmorgan> it's still givint eh same errors
[2:53] <bnmorgan> 2100 seconds now
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[2:56] <bnmorgan> any suggestions?
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[3:02] <mikey_w> bnmorgan, pull the plug.
[3:02] <bnmorgan> next?
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[3:04] <bnmorgan> ok it's telling me some stuff bad block at offset 940 941 and 942
[3:04] <bnmorgan> and back to doing the same things
[3:04] <mikey_w> fun.
[3:04] <bnmorgan> well, a few more things going now...after another kernel panic
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[3:22] <IT_Sean> Ahoy
[3:27] <oldtopman> Yo HO!
[3:28] <netman87> banana?
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[3:29] <IT_Sean> banana?
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[3:29] <netman87> oh btw there is not raspberry pi, blackberry phones, gooseberry and i think something else... is there bananaboard :D
[3:30] <netman87> i love banana, bacon and mangos but i havent heard of dev boards named after those
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[3:31] <oldtopman> Aww, you know what we need a chef to make?
[3:31] <oldtopman> The Android Special!
[3:32] <ReggieUK> what is the tech company obsession with fruit
[3:32] <ReggieUK> do they think we've all got scurvy or summat?
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[3:33] <oldtopman> Petit Four, Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice Cream Sandwhich!
[3:33] <oldtopman> wich*
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[3:37] <bcgrown> anyone know if the sound drivers for analog output work any better in the wheezy image than they do in the squeeze one?
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[3:41] <ReggieUK> bcgrown, probably not
[3:41] <bcgrown> ReggieUK: :( aw. know if anyone is working on it?
[3:41] <bcgrown> or does everyone just use digital out?
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[3:44] <ReggieUK> I think a lot of people are using hdmi, so audio is sorted
[3:46] * oldtopman doesn't use hdmi
[3:46] <oldtopman> Not that I use audio either
[3:46] <oldtopman> Wifey won't let me have a flatscreen :<
[3:47] <IT_Sean> booooo
[3:48] <ReggieUK> the 4 words that are a sign of a broken man 'my wifey won't let me ...' ;)
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[3:48] <bnmorgan> i give up. back to darkelec
[3:50] <oldtopman> ReggieUK: Eh, it's a pretty killer CRT.
[3:50] <oldtopman> We don't need a flatscreen.
[3:50] <oldtopman> We have other things to spend the better part of $1000 on
[3:50] <oldtopman> ...she says
[3:50] <bnmorgan> is it normal that darkelec won't play .avi movie
[3:53] <ReggieUK> I have no idea what screen it is but when you said she wouldn't let you have a flatscreen, it tended to suggest that you want a flatscreen :)
[3:54] <mpthompson> oldtopman, happy wife, happy life.
[3:54] <oldtopman> mpthompson: You speak like a married man
[3:54] <mpthompson> Yep...
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[3:54] <mpthompson> Or, A man can never be happier than his wife. :-)
[3:55] <dirty_d> nope
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[3:55] <ReggieUK> was einstein ever married?
[3:56] <bnmorgan> is it normal that darkelec won't play .avi movie
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[3:57] <ReggieUK> no idea
[3:59] <des2> yes he was
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[3:59] <mpthompson> Einstein divorced his first wife and I believe he married his cousin...
[4:00] <des2> proof: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/86/Einstein_tongue.jpg/220px-Einstein_tongue.jpg
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[4:05] <mpthompson> A nutritionist was once lecturing an audience about the value of eating foods that are healthy and will bring long term happiness. She asked the audience, "Can someone tell me the what single food has caused untold misery for man?" A hand was raised in the back of the room and she asked, "Yes, you sir, can you tell me what that food is?"
[4:05] <mpthompson> The man answered back "Wedding cake!".
[4:05] <IT_Sean> heh
[4:06] <mpthompson> Just joking...
[4:10] <bnmorgan> :/
[4:10] <bnmorgan> suprized as harsh as the ops are on foul language, even abbreviated and self-censored, that sexism is tolerated.
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[4:12] <bnmorgan> well, i still don' really know what i'm doing but i'm at least having fun with the pi trying to get it to be useful
[4:15] <bnmorgan> installing synaptic, seeing lots of corrupted package archive report stuff.
[4:15] <bnmorgan> normalish?
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[4:21] <netman87> i think analog audio have worked pretty well really
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[4:22] <bnmorgan> http://pastebin.com/iJ9Dxa0w
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[4:26] <ReggieUK> not sure how that could be seen as sexism, more a statement about marriage
[4:26] <mikey_w> And very funny.
[4:28] * bnmorgan shrugs
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[4:30] <bnmorgan> what's a decent video player for debian
[4:31] <bnmorgan> since i can get raspbmc to work and dark doesn't liek the avi
[4:31] <ReggieUK> bnmorgan, I was wondering about synaptic, whether it would work for the pi or whether there would be issues
[4:31] <bnmorgan> well, it worked the other day, but i can't get it to now.
[4:31] <`z> Experienced the first kernel oops on my laptop
[4:31] <Gallomimia> mplayer
[4:31] <`z> the other day
[4:32] <bnmorgan> woeked very well to start with
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[4:32] <bnmorgan> btw pi sucks on a $15 5" portable tv
[4:33] <bnmorgan> what's the max paste lines in chan
[4:33] <bnmorgan> before i need to use pastebin
[4:33] <bnmorgan> http://pastebin.com/uTJFqR1b
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[4:34] <bnmorgan> the other day = 3 or 4 days ago
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[4:35] <bnmorgan> Reading package lists... Error!
[4:35] <bnmorgan> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[4:35] <bnmorgan> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status
[4:35] <bnmorgan> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[4:35] <bnmorgan> getting that from sudo apt-get update
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[4:38] <`z> now trying to use my phone as a bluetooth keyboard for my pi
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[4:42] <bnmorgan> ok, fully stuck, don't know what lse to do
[4:42] <bcgrown> ReggieUK: analog audio is definitely not sorted :(
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[4:47] <ReggieUK> I didn't say analog was sorted
[4:47] <ReggieUK> I said audio was sorted
[4:47] <ReggieUK> with hdmi
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[5:04] <bnmorgan> it's like there's something wrong with the software server thing
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[5:06] <Xark> bnmorgan: Not sure, but it sounds like your package list is corrupted.
[5:06] <bnmorgan> suggested fix?
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[5:07] <Xark> bnmorgan: Re-image your SD card? It may be possible to repair, but I don't know how (also maybe switch cards if this one isn't reliable).
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[5:08] <bnmorgan> in progress
[5:09] <bnmorgan> ty. will start over in the morning
[5:09] <bnmorgan> i am too tired now
[5:09] <Xark> bnmorgan: OK. I haven't had good luck with SD cards (and have my root on HDD).
[5:10] <bnmorgan> well, got a new sd card today for this thing.
[5:10] <Xark> bnmorgan: A different one than had the issue?
[5:11] <bnmorgan> no
[5:11] <bnmorgan> all these issues are new.
[5:12] <bnmorgan> prev on a class 4 4g sandisk micro thru adapter
[5:12] <Xark> Cool. It is really handy to be able to make a backup image easily.
[5:12] <bnmorgan> wish i could use class 2 1g cards for something
[5:12] <bnmorgan> i think the new one is a class 4 8g
[5:12] <ham> what is the fastests a pi can read/write to a flash card?
[5:12] <Xark> bnmorgan: Too small?
[5:13] <bnmorgan> will look after the imaging finishes
[5:13] <Xark> ham: I have seen reports of >20MB/sec (with a newer firmware and kernel).
[5:14] * Xark notes with stock Debian and rpi-update he gets ~10MB/sec
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[5:16] <bnmorgan> 8g c10
[5:16] <bnmorgan> PNY card
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[5:38] <ReggieUK> it won't be much higher than 20MB/s
[5:38] <ReggieUK> in fact, the only person I saw that got that kind of speed was running his card/the chip out of spec
[5:39] <ReggieUK> >20MB/s that is
[5:42] * Crenn-NAS hums as apt-get update runs
[5:42] <Crenn-NAS> Teaches me for not doing it for about a week
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[5:49] <Crenn-NAS> 73 files, 797kB and 10 minutes later, it's done!
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[5:53] <netman87> how i can test write speed? :)
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[5:57] <hotwings> i get great speeds with sandisk extreme iii sdhc's. havent tried one in an rpi yet though
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[6:30] <ham> oh, class 10 sd card is only 10 meg/s write speed anyway
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[7:36] <Crenn-NAS> Woo! Got samba working how I want it to
[7:39] <yggdrasil> :)
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[7:47] <Crenn-NAS> I've noticed, I'm learning a lot about linux since getting my RPi XD
[7:48] <Crenn-NAS> More than the years of 'experience' that I got with some NASs
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[8:26] <Arch-RPi> wow this is the quitest i have seen it in a long time
[8:26] <phire> don't ruin it
[8:27] <Arch-RPi> lol sorry
[8:27] <reider59> zzzzzzzz
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[8:28] <Arch-RPi> ohhh anyone using wheezy beta? how come it desnt come with rpi-update?
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[8:31] <reider59> I think I used sudo apt-get upgrade the first time. Then when I got a new 16gb SD Card I installed Wheezy on it and added the new script for my WiFi adaptor (from the forums) and that applied the update automatically as part of its install routine
[8:33] <Arch-RPi> reider59: the official wheezy beta or another distro? there are others that are unofficial that run wheezy
[8:33] <reider59> The official Wheezy beta
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[8:34] <Arch-RPi> reider59: hmmm i did the same but i dont have rpi-update
[8:35] <reider59> I used upgrade, but the wording in the auto one from the script was update
[8:35] <Dagger2> I think the stuff that was updated by rpi-update is now done via an apt-get repository
[8:36] <reider59> That`s right, because I used sudo apt-get upgrade
[8:36] <Arch-RPi> Dagger2: see thats what i thought but Meengman told me different
[8:36] <Arch-RPi> err Mrengman who made the wifi script i mean
[8:37] <Dagger2> meh, my power cable is downstairs, but check /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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[8:37] <reider59> It was his script that showed on my screen it was about to perform the update, at the end of the install. then it went off and performed it.
[8:37] <Arch-RPi> Dagger2: ok let me look
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[8:39] <reider59> I had a little hassle with his last script, where the auto install didn`t make the adapter work. I always said he should keep the update out of his install routine or keep it voluntary yes/no. But when I changed mine to STATIC IP addressing and rebooted then the adaptor began to work.
[8:40] <Arch-RPi> Dagger2: ahhh ok i see in sources.list.d a reference to the raspberrypi.org
[8:43] <reider59> I`ve ordered a cheap Pic Frame to use as a VNC Monitor. the one that`s been hacked in hackaday.
[8:44] <reider59> Parrot DF3120
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[8:47] <Ben64> reider59: what can you do with it
[8:47] * Arch-RPi is lookig it up but got distracted by the rpi desktop case
[8:49] <reider59> You can run Linux on it. Or use it via BT as a monitor by swapping the firmware. Then starting a BT Network and a special VNC Client. Giving you the startx GUI Desktop and proper control over it.
[8:49] <reider59> ??12.99 lol, it went up to ??19.99 the following day when they realised how many people now want one
[8:50] <reider59> http://www.cjb.im/2012/06/raspberry-pi-wireless-display-using.html
[8:50] <Ben64> doesn't seem that awesome
[8:51] <Ben64> my phone is cooler :)
[8:51] <reider59> I`d say if you have a use for it then grab one quick as you can. I doubt they`ll continue making it in its present form for much longer and the price can only go up up up too.
[8:52] <reider59> Theres a wii mote hack for it some place too
[8:52] <Ben64> my phone is faster, has internet, wifi, bluetooth, built in keyboard
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[8:53] <reider59> Fair enough, I use my android phone for a lot of stuff like that. but this screen is just what I need.
[8:53] <reider59> The memory can be increased in it too
[8:53] <Ben64> well it does seem pretty cool
[8:53] <reider59> It seems a really hackable fun pic frame
[8:54] <Ben64> but i just don't think i'd ever use it, same way i feel about tablets
[8:56] <reider59> I was watching a youtube clip where a guy made a puter out of an old laptop screen. He described the hard drive as a heart rife, I was in bulk laughing. then the text came up with the actual words heart rife lol
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[8:56] <Arch-RPi> damnit...this case is kewl...now im torn...get this one of the adafruit one
[8:58] <Xark> Arch-RPi: Which case?
[8:59] <reider59> I got a case where one long side and one short side hing out to put the RPi in. Then got a sanwich style with breadboard and starter electronics kit. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6520 and http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-a-p-1070.html
[8:59] <reider59> The solid case with the hinged sides was only ??7.50
[8:59] <reider59> inc postage and ready made up
[8:59] <Arch-RPi> Xark: one from hackaday.com scroll down to the desktop case for the rpi
[9:01] <Xark> Arch-RPi: Ahh, yes, that one. :) We have similar taste, I ordered that one today for my 2nd RPi (but slightly bummed I missed the purple...). :)
[9:02] <Xark> reider59: I was looking at that breadboard case too. But I think I am OK with a ribbon cable (which the Adafruit and the HackADay case have a slot for).
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[9:04] <reider59> It has a cutaway to access the GPIO pins on the sandwhich case. But I want the solid one for later when I add it to a buggy with my robot arm on, camera, arduino board, RPi then program it via VNC in another room. Including the buggy moving about then stop to operate the arm. My long term Boys Toy project lol
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[9:09] <Arch-RPi> omgi cant cancel this adafruit case
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[9:10] <reider59> return it. In the UK at least you have a right to return it if not satisfied.
[9:11] <Cheery> it might be I want thot akind of starter kit
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[9:11] <Cheery> thing is
[9:11] <Cheery> raspberry pi is supposed to be open
[9:11] <Cheery> that's the point of the casing
[9:11] <Cheery> *card layout
[9:12] <reider59> It`s supposed to be whatever people need. It`s rumoured the educational one will be cased.
[9:15] <Cheery> well whatever the casing, it's going to have lots of holes
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[9:19] <Cheery> but then I still consider this
[9:20] <Cheery> how to case my pi :)
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[9:22] <ballisticpain1> Ello everyone...
[9:22] <ballisticpain1> Anyone using enlightentment with their raspberry pi? Maybe even on arch.
[9:22] <ballisticpain1> I'm much further along my journey.
[9:23] <ballisticpain1> I have ssvnc running now.
[9:23] <ballisticpain1> Just need to have 2 applications startup with the pi.
[9:23] <ballisticpain1> :-/
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[9:26] <Cheery> cool
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[10:08] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps, chapeses, etc.
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[10:14] <Arch-RPi> gordonDrogon: howdy
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[10:17] <Hourd> morning
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> hi. Doh. trying to work out why I can't light up an LED and I'm logged onto the wrong Pi
[10:18] <megatog615> anyone know if there are any add-on repositories for raspbian?
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[10:19] <gordonDrogon> putting something together for a forum post...
[10:19] <bttf> whats the coolest thing ever made with raspberry pi
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> bttf, this, of-course :) https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/ladder-game/
[10:21] <bttf> i think you may have a biased opinion gordonDrogon
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> of-course :)
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[10:22] <bttf> but pretty cool nonetheless
[10:22] <Arch-RPi> megatog615: what do you mean? more apt sources?
[10:22] <dwatkins> Home automation is a pretty cool idea.
[10:22] <megatog615> Arch-RPi: yeah, anything anyone else has produced for raspbian
[10:22] <dwatkins> A friend of mine works for a company that makes weather sensors, he's hooking his pi up to their equipment
[10:22] <Arch-RPi> megatog615: not that im aware of
[10:24] <dwatkins> FreeSwitch sounds fun for having a menu for telephone callers
[10:25] <Mr_Sheesh> Interesting; I'd want one where people who knew me had a password, robotic callers were hung up on as it did a little IQ test on anyone without a password :P
[10:26] <Mr_Sheesh> Or mini turing test
[10:26] <dwatkins> 'please type the square root of 9'
[10:27] <Mr_Sheesh> that would do.
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[10:28] <dwatkins> 'if you're a bot, please stay on the line so I can play you some fax-like tones to confuse you'
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, http://unicorn.drogon.net/sht15rh.jpg
[10:28] <dwatkins> nice, gordonDrogon :D what's the little red board?
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, SHT15 - Temperature & Humidity sensor - weather stuff :)
[10:29] <dwatkins> hexcellent, gordonDrogon - I saw AdaFruit do one now, was tempted to give it a go
[10:30] <Mr_Sheesh> dwatkins - One friend had a playback of the triple tone "This number has been disconnected" followed by a click then silence for 10 seconds - then it'd beep and record your message. He got rid of some sales droids that way
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> Pi's not the best platform for weather stuff though - Arduino is better - lower power, can be run off batteries.
[10:30] <dwatkins> Mr_Sheesh: reminds me of a friend of mine who had 'Hello mate, how you doing...' as his answerphone message, followed by a pause then '..haha, fooled you, leave a message'
[10:30] <dwatkins> Better would be to just not say the second part ;)
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws.jpg
[10:31] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: yeah, although you'd probably need a network shield to get the data out, unless it was connected to a PC via serial
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws1.jpg
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws2.jpg
[10:31] <Mr_Sheesh> LOL yeah. One guy had a 30 minute long outgoing muzak set up LOL
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, wireless serial - XRF/URF...
[10:31] <dwatkins> ooh
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[10:32] <gordonDrogon> there's a lot of automated weather station stuff being done on arduino - that's a little project I did a few weeks ago.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> however right now, it's breakfast time!
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> laters...
[10:32] <dwatkins> I'd like to combine that with a solar powered battery
[10:33] <dwatkins> c ya :)
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[10:35] <Arch-RPi> hi Milos|Netbook
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[10:49] <hermanhermitage> arduino/avr is also much nicer assembly syntax
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[10:55] <Xark> hermanhermitage: Than ARM?
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[11:14] <_inc> Morning all
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[11:30] <willl0u> hi
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[11:36] <sirclockalot> in Debian what is the file i need to edit to add services to start on boot?
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[11:40] <metellius> the raspberry has no internal speaker right?
[11:41] <cjbaird> https://encrypted.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=in+Debian+what+is+the+file+i+need+to+edit+to+add+services+to+start+on+boot&oq=in+Debian+what+is+the+file+i+need+to+edit+to+add+services+to+start+on+boot
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[11:45] <sirclockalot> ok i just remember there being a file and i just had to add &sshd to it to get the demon to start
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[11:45] <sirclockalot> but i guess i need to write a .sh and then make it executable as well as adding it to init.d
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[11:51] <dmsuse> uh?
[11:51] <dmsuse> why not just do
[11:51] <dmsuse> sudo update-rc.d ssh defaults
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[11:58] <Peanut> asd~.
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> marco_: correct
[11:59] <Peanut> (err, sorry about that)
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> metellius:
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[12:16] <Peanut> How is one supposed to start X on the RPI? If I do 'startx', it does start up X and I get a desktop, but keyboard and mouse no longer respond.
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[12:17] <dmsuse> Peanut: look at xorg log
[12:18] <Peanut> dmsuse: *duh* thanks - I still got my head only halfway wrapped around the idea that this thing runs actual X-windows ;-)
[12:19] <dmsuse> :D
[12:19] <sirclockalot> from the Pi can i expand the partition using gparted? it's only that to do i i have to unmount the partition with the image and that won't happen
[12:20] <sirclockalot> so how does one do it from the pi?
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[12:21] <Peanut> "(II) Adding input device Logitech USB/PS-2 optical mouse (/dev/input/mouse0)" - "(II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)" (Not sure if the second warning refers to the first.
[12:22] <dmsuse> sirclockalot: moment
[12:22] <sirclockalot> kk
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[12:23] <dmsuse> sirclockalot: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[12:24] <dmsuse> Peanut: anything about the keyboard?
[12:25] <Peanut> No, nothing at all. The only errors I see are about FBIOBLANK not being implemented, repeatedly sprinkled in the logfile.
[12:25] <dmsuse> sirclockalot: dont use gparted its rubbish you can resize the partition while the pi is running by following that link instructions
[12:25] <Peanut> And lsusb shows the keyboard and mouse just fine before starting X.
[12:25] <dmsuse> does keyboard work if mouse is not put in?
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[12:26] <Peanut> dmsuse: Good point again - do you happen to know any keystrokes it ought to respond to though?
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[12:27] <Peanut> Hmm.. I also might have an improper keyboard setup as capslock doesn't work even before starting X, though numlock does.
[12:27] <dmsuse> Peanut: im not sure i have never had the problem you are having :P
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> Peanut, modprobe evdev
[12:27] <Peanut> Invalid module format.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> I think it's evdev anyway, but that's the usual cause - keyboard works before, but not after starting X.
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[12:28] <gordonDrogon> maybe an rpi-update has gone wrong then...
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[12:28] <gordonDrogon> you could temp. try this kernel: http://unicorn.drogon.net/kernel.img
[12:28] <Peanut> Ah.. I think I know why my system is a bit hosed, then. I did install the new kernel and .elf, and ran depmod -a afterwards - perhaps I missed some steps there.
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> put it in /boot/kernel.img (save the old one) and reboot, but it doesn't have wifi, bluetooth, etc.
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> yea, try rpi-update again...
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> anyway, I must dash - going out for the rest of the day rather than geeking about - good luck!
[12:29] <Jimmy06> rpi-update killed mine last night
[12:29] <Peanut> Where does one find rpi-update?
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[12:31] <Peanut> Ah well, apt-get install lynx...
[12:32] <Jimmy06> Peanut, lmfgtfy
[12:32] <Peanut> Jimmy06: ?
[12:33] <Jimmy06> practisevoodoo, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rpi-update
[12:33] <Jimmy06> Peanut, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rpi-update
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[12:35] <Peanut> Jimmy06: hehe.. I'm only asking because Googling doesn't quite work for me yet, that's why I just installed lynx.
[12:35] <Jimmy06> its the first result there though :)
[12:35] <Jimmy06> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=rpi-update&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CE4QFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FHexxeh%2Frpi-update%2F&ei=edXuT7iaPKLB0QWBq-X-DQ&usg=AFQjCNF6UwsNhY3yf-KCucHw97ArE5hnaA&cad=rja
[12:35] <Jimmy06> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
[12:35] <Jimmy06> sorry was ment to link that
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[12:36] <Peanut> Suuuuure ;-) Thanks anyway. Github on Lynx is also fun.
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[12:37] <Jimmy06> i ran rpi-update last night and hosed my install lol
[12:37] <chaoshax> Happened to me as well
[12:37] <Peanut> Oh.. so I'd better stay away from it for the moment, I guess.
[12:37] <Jimmy06> i got one error near the end and it acted like it hadnt errored at all
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[12:38] <Jimmy06> then a reboot yeiled the green light flashing 6 times
[12:38] <Jimmy06> like a post error
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[12:42] <arfonzo> Jimmy06: are you headless?
[12:42] <arfonzo> You did backup your SD before, right?
[12:42] <Jimmy06> arfonzo, there was nothing on it. It was a clean card with squeeze lol
[12:42] <arfonzo> Cool. Nothing lost, and nothing gained. :)
[12:43] <Jimmy06> only annoying thing is having to plug a screen back in to get there to turn on ssh
[12:43] <arfonzo> Each time you boot?
[12:44] <Jimmy06> no just the first time after the image clone
[12:44] <arfonzo> Ah, ok. That's not so bad. You can always alter the image before writing it to enable SSH by default.
[12:44] <Jimmy06> how ?
[12:45] <arfonzo> Jimmy06: well, if you're asking how, I would suggest the "easy" way: I would re-flash, re-configure it up. Then take an image of the sd card with any image writing/reading app (there are loads out there)
[12:46] <Jimmy06> thats what i was going to do just reimage the cad lol
[12:46] <arfonzo> like that you can keep IP, DNS, networking, startup rc scripts, etc.
[12:46] <Jimmy06> also for the partition change i've made
[12:47] <arfonzo> you can image the entire device (not just one partition), so that would be saved too.
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[13:01] <erdos> hey there
[13:01] <erdos> how long should the initial boot take? and should i see flashing lights? i've only got 1 red light on the power
[13:01] <erdos> i've used a 16gb sd card, would that be a problem?
[13:02] <dmsuse> yes
[13:02] <dmsuse> you should see something on the screen instantly, if not you have a bad sd card
[13:03] <erdos> poop
[13:03] <erdos> it's brand new, might i have to format it and recopy the img?
[13:03] <dmsuse> no
[13:03] <dmsuse> some cards just do not work in the pi
[13:03] <dmsuse> but you can try i guess
[13:03] <erdos> i didn't format it or anything, i just used dd as per the instructions
[13:03] <erdos> ah ok, i'll hunt down another sd card and try that out
[13:04] <erdos> the one i tried says HC I
[13:04] <erdos> i think that's some high speed thing, maybe i just need a vanilla card
[13:04] <dmsuse> made by?
[13:04] <erdos> san disk
[13:05] <erdos> very standard
[13:05] <dmsuse> any more info on it?
[13:05] <erdos> let's see
[13:05] <Aldasa> theres a new firmware that works better with sd cards
[13:06] <erdos> san disk ultra - 16gb SD HCI
[13:06] <Aldasa> the deb image hasnt been updated to use it though :(
[13:06] <erdos> heh, well i'm kind of new to hardware so i guess i'll try to get an initial boot before i attempt flashing the firmware!
[13:07] <dmsuse> the firmware is on the sdcard
[13:07] <erdos> ok, i'm going to find another sd card
[13:07] <erdos> oh
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[13:07] <erdos> well, that's a problem if i get nothing at boot!
[13:08] <erdos> i'll report back when i try another card
[13:08] <dmsuse> maybe im wrong
[13:08] <dmsuse> kk
[13:08] <erdos> thanks :)
[13:08] <[SkG]> I'm not sure but if you try to power on the RPi without SDCard with hdmi
[13:08] <[SkG]> it should show you an square with colors
[13:08] <[SkG]> s/an/a/h
[13:08] <[SkG]> s/an/a/g*
[13:09] <erdos> oh ok i'll try that real quick
[13:09] <erdos> does it matter if i'm trying on a tv? or should i be using a standard computer monitor?
[13:10] <[SkG]> If you use HDMI it should work on both
[13:10] <[SkG]> but let me try
[13:10] <erdos> doesn't seem like there's any video signal being received
[13:10] <erdos> and only 1 unblinking red light
[13:11] <erdos> with no sd card do you get any activity on those led's?
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[13:11] <Jimmy06> No i dont
[13:11] <Jimmy06> 1 Solid red light light
[13:12] <erdos> jimmy: do you get the box on the video?
[13:12] <erdos> or just blank screen?
[13:12] <Jimmy06> im not using HDMI
[13:12] <erdos> ah
[13:12] <Jimmy06> also i cant use HDMI to test it either nothing in my house supports it lol
[13:12] <[SkG]> wait I'm testing..
[13:12] <erdos> hehe
[13:13] <erdos> cheers :)
[13:13] <[SkG]> my theory fails sorry
[13:14] <[SkG]> without sdcard dont shows the colour square
[13:14] <[SkG]> only red light
[13:14] <[SkG]> :(
[13:14] <Jimmy06> The firmware is on the SD card so i doubt its that
[13:14] <[SkG]> try with another SD card
[13:14] <Jimmy06> its not going to boot anything when theres no firmware
[13:14] <[SkG]> sure
[13:14] <Jimmy06> For a note though im using a 16Gb Kingstone class 10 SD Card
[13:15] <Jimmy06> HC stands for High Capacity
[13:15] <erdos> ahh ok
[13:15] <[SkG]> I'm uisng an Trascend SDHC 4GB Class 6 and works without problem
[13:15] <erdos> maybe i botched the copy
[13:15] <Jimmy06> All card 4 GB and above are HC i think
[13:15] <erdos> does the card need to be formatted before the dd copy?
[13:16] <Jimmy06> dd overwrited everything on the card anyway
[13:16] <Jimmy06> over writes
[13:16] <erdos> ah ok
[13:16] <erdos> hmm
[13:16] <erdos> in that case i'll try with another card
[13:16] <erdos> BRB!
[13:16] <[SkG]> I have also two SandDisk 8GB SDHC Class 11 (for the DSLR Cammera) and works too
[13:16] <Jimmy06> there should be 3 partitions on the card if you did it correctly
[13:16] <[SkG]> Class 10-
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[13:17] <erdos> oh, when i put in my card it says (on my macbook) "the disk you inserted was not readable by this compuer"
[13:17] <Jimmy06> 75 MiB fat32 Partition a 1.55 GiB ext4 and a 191 MiB Swap
[13:17] <erdos> perhaps the copy stuffed up
[13:17] <Jimmy06> it did
[13:18] <erdos> what does it mean to initialize some storage?
[13:18] <erdos> it's asking if i want to
[13:18] <chaoshax> I always just partition swap& ext4
[13:18] <Jimmy06> create a partition and format it
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[13:19] <erdos> wait, won't dd just erase those partitions anyway?
[13:19] <Jimmy06> yes
[13:19] <erdos> so why create it?
[13:19] <Jimmy06> i never said create them
[13:19] <Jimmy06> i said they should be there if you copy the image correctly
[13:20] <erdos> oh sorry, that was chaoshax, my mistake
[13:20] <[SkG]> erdos go to the disk utility
[13:20] <[SkG]> and select the SD Card
[13:20] <chaoshax> erdos, Ahh I didn't realize that.
[13:20] <[SkG]> then you should be able to see if there is 3 partitions
[13:20] <chaoshax> Does it create a swap partition by default then or just ext4 & fat32?
[13:20] <erdos> okie dokie
[13:20] <[SkG]> if not dd didnt work as excepted
[13:21] <Jimmy06> creates the swap
[13:21] <erdos> nah it's not there
[13:21] <erdos> i'll try copy the image again
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[13:21] <erdos> back soon!
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[13:21] <Jimmy06> chaoshax, it creates a swap but doesnt use it by default
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[13:21] <chaoshax> OK
[13:21] <Jimmy06> as least it seems that way on the doesnt use it lol
[13:24] <[SkG]> If you use swap at SD Card It can slowdown your write/read operations
[13:24] <[SkG]> I recomend to use external swap, USB Drive for example
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[13:27] <erdos> ok, dd'ing
[13:27] <erdos> btw
[13:27] <deam> so annoying that the default rootfs size is 2GB..
[13:27] <erdos> it's great to see that there's such an active and friendly community on here, i'll do my best to give back as soon as i get better at all this
[13:29] <Jimmy06> deam
[13:29] <Jimmy06> deam you can easily resize it
[13:30] <deam> Jimmy06: I know, but I have 10 sd cards or something for testing.. had to do the same operations on all :)
[13:30] <Jimmy06> then your dumb :P
[13:30] <Jimmy06> do it to one then make a new image or the base install with the increased partition size
[13:30] <dmsuse> why not just do 1 then copy it to the rest?
[13:30] <Jimmy06> then you'd never have to do it again
[13:31] <deam> true
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[13:32] <Jimmy06> im just about to make my base copy with ssh enabled and a 16gb card
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[13:44] <[SkG]> deam you can also build your own system :P (I debbootstraped my own Raspbian build and then used rpi-update script to get the firmware and kernel)
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[13:53] <GabrialDestruir> Anything new?
[13:53] <dmsuse> hi
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[14:03] <deam> is the SPI0_CE0_N pin a chip select pin ?
[14:04] <deam> what does the CE stand for?
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[14:04] <Mr_Sheesh> CE usually means "Chip Enable"
[14:04] <deam> hmm
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> I would gues SPI bus 0 chip enable 0 negative active
[14:05] <erdos> hell yeah! it's working
[14:05] <Jimmy06> :)
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[14:10] <[SkG]> erdos congratz
[14:10] <[SkG]> :)
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[14:14] <erdos> :) stoked
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[14:16] <MueThoS> Spricht hier jemand Deutsch? (W??hre einfacher)
[14:17] <Jimmy06> dunno what you said sorry
[14:18] <lennard> MueThoS: no, we don't :)
[14:18] <MueThoS> 8-)
[14:18] <MueThoS> i will try it in english
[14:18] <MueThoS> i will install phpmysql after apache2 and mysql
[14:19] <MueThoS> but by the installation comes this massage: chown: ung??ltige Gruppe: ???root:www-data???
[14:19] <MueThoS> the group www-data do not exist
[14:20] <MueThoS> i thing i have to use the group pi (this ist the group fpr the apache)
[14:20] <MueThoS> but how can i do this
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[14:21] <deam> create the group?
[14:21] <MueThoS> this is one way but can i do this now because i use pi for the apache
[14:22] <deam> why do you use the group pi for apache?
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[14:23] <MueThoS> the youtube tut from raspberrypu4beginners say it
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[14:26] <Walther> Hello again
[14:26] <Walther> I ran sudo apt-get update and rpi-update again, as usual
[14:27] <Walther> Now my Pi won't boot anymore - I get six blinks of the green OK light, a pause, and six again, repeat ad nauseam
[14:27] <Jimmy06> yeah i did
[14:27] <Jimmy06> as well lol
[14:27] <Walther> there's something wrong with the newest FW then, I suppose
[14:28] <Walther> just when I got my little server running inside a CD drive, meh.
[14:28] <Draylor> ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, now that sucks
[14:28] <Jimmy06> id assume so as the screen never fires up either
[14:28] <Walther> (rpi, 320gb hdd, powered hub, only two wires coming out, eth & power
[14:28] <Draylor> i did an rpi-update last night but didnt reboot. guess i need to avoid a reboot till thats fixed
[14:29] <Walther> Jimmy06: I suppose so, the led blink starts *immediately*
[14:29] <Walther> I don't have a screen attached (ssh -Y)
[14:29] <Walther> but it doesn't look like it would even try to boot
[14:30] <Walther> according to wiki, 6 blinks means start.elf not launhed
[14:30] <Walther> I have no idea what that means though
[14:31] <mythos> on the fat-partition must be a file named start.elf
[14:31] <Walther> never touched that manually, the rpi-update must've broken it
[14:31] <mythos> most likely
[14:31] <Draylor> yup
[14:32] <mythos> that's what rpi-update does... touch does files on the fat-partition
[14:32] <Draylor> just need to replace the contents of /boot (ie partition 1) manually and retry
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[14:32] <mythos> *thoes
[14:32] <Walther> Draylor: where can I find a fresh copy of start.elf?
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[14:33] <Walther> I'd really rather not flash the entire image
[14:33] <Draylor> you wont. there are 3 files armXXX_start.elf based on the memory split you choose
[14:33] <Walther> i've pretty much configured a ready home server
[14:33] <Draylor> pick 1 and call it start.elf
[14:33] <mythos> github or on the second-partition of your sdcard. there sould be a boot.backup folder
[14:33] <Walther> Draylor: ahh, so fresh ones exist on the disk?
[14:34] <Draylor> yeah, but if thats what teh problem is i assume the file is corrupt/invalid somehow
[14:34] <Draylor> best approach would be replacing those files & trying again
[14:37] <Walther> hm, read-only filesystem
[14:38] <mervaka> dirty_d: nope :( was working yesterday
[14:38] <mervaka> and babysitting
[14:39] <Walther> I can't replace/rename the file, it mounts as ro
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[14:44] <MikeWorth> hi, i've just started playing with my new rpi, but am having troubles downloading vlc. I've tried sudo aptitude install vlc but am getting 404 errors when it tries to get the files
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[14:45] <Aldasa> vlc isnt hardware accelerated
[14:45] <Aldasa> also, are you connected to the internet
[14:45] <Jimmy06> I just installed vlc perfectly fine
[14:46] <MikeWorth> ooh, ok; what is a better choice? I'mconnected and can ping ftp.debian.org fine
[14:46] <Jimmy06> id sujest its an issue with your internet connection
[14:46] <Aldasa> omxplayer. on the raspberry pi forums
[14:46] <nid0> he'd be getting timeouts not 404's if it was a net connection problem
[14:47] <Jimmy06> yeah so its the server that hes connecting to
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[14:48] <Aldasa> MikeWorth, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=80598
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[14:59] <Tachyon`> does anyone in here have a Kindle with the webkit browser to hand (the third generation keyboard ones, not the touch/fire) , I could do with someone testing a URL for me
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[15:01] <Jimmy06> we'll vlc works fine :P
[15:01] <Jimmy06> just for the record
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[15:07] <MikeWorth> I'll go away and look at that omxplayer later; any ideas on the 404s? I've not tried anything else yet but i suspect it might be a more general problem
[15:07] <friggle> MikeWorth: apt-get update
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[15:26] <Walther> Okay I'm going to repeat my issue
[15:27] <Walther> I ran sudo apt-get update and rpi-update, now my pi won't boot
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[15:27] <Walther> I just get the "six blinks"
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[15:29] <CeilingKitten> Hello All :)
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[15:30] <Jimmy06> Walther, cant you just reinstall it ?
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[15:36] <Walther> Jimmy06: Well, i've pretty much configured the thing as a server already
[15:36] <Jimmy06> and you didnt back it up Walther ?
[15:37] <Walther> Jimmy06: so i would prefer a fixing solution instead
[15:37] <Walther> Jimmy06: hey, the thing has been up for a day, I didn't think I need a backup yet
[15:37] <Jimmy06> you've all ready been told what to do once i think
[15:37] <Walther> ...you never know, i suppose
[15:37] <dmsuse> lawl
[15:37] <Walther> Jimmy06: Well, i ran into problems and nobody helped
[15:37] <Walther> I can't rename/replace the file(s) as the fs mounts as ro
[15:38] <_quasimodo> hi everyone
[15:38] <Jimmy06> what partition
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[15:39] <CeilingKitten> mount /(partition) -o remount,rw
[15:40] <CeilingKitten> can run that through ssh to edit something and reboot to fix it, thats how you make config.txt on openelec
[15:40] <_quasimodo> i got my rpi yesterday, and tried to boot debian, but it keeps giving me a lot of stacktraces and finally a kernel panic
[15:40] <CeilingKitten> since /flash is readonly onboot
[15:40] <Walther> CeilingKitten: the problem is, my pi won't boot -> no ssh, have to operate on the SD card
[15:41] <CeilingKitten> ah, =[ what OS walther?
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[15:42] <Jimmy06> he ran rpi-update on debian
[15:42] <Jimmy06> rpi-update gives this error /opt/vc/sbin/vcfiled: error while loading shared libraries: libvchiq_arm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[15:43] <Jimmy06> so i suspect when i reboot this now ill have the same problem 6 flashing greens pause repeat
[15:43] <Jimmy06> seems to have booted now this time xD
[15:43] <CeilingKitten> can you dl libvchiq_arm.so from the github, copy it in manually?
[15:44] <Jimmy06> Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #138 PREEMPT Tue Jun 26 16:27:52 BST 2012 armv6l
[15:44] <Jimmy06> dunno if thats updated or not :P
[15:45] <CeilingKitten> @_quasimodo, i am not sure, have you tried booting with nothing plugged into the USB, some peripherals will not work or interfere with boot until you firmware update. :s
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[15:47] <_quasimodo> CeilingKitten: only hdmi
[15:47] <_quasimodo> but the stack traces seem related to the sd card driver
[15:48] <_quasimodo> so its probably just my sdcard :(
[15:48] <CeilingKitten> @_quasimodo, well alot of sd cards previously didnt work until firmware update, but you should always backup first sometimes an update fixes one thing and breaks another
[15:48] <CeilingKitten> _quasimodo, what image did you install? and when did you download it?
[15:48] <Helldesk> a lot of
[15:49] <Jimmy06> i made a new image of the last one with ssh enables
[15:49] <Jimmy06> enabled
[15:49] <Jimmy06> and 16gb size
[15:49] <Jimmy06> id upload it if anyone was actually interested LOL
[15:49] <CeilingKitten> hmm =| is it by chance a Class 10 or UHS-i sd card?
[15:49] <_quasimodo> CeilingKitten: 2012-06-18-wheezy-beta.zip, downloaded today
[15:50] <_quasimodo> its a class 10 card, yes
[15:51] <CeilingKitten> _quasimodo, the class10's and UHS-i, cards are griefing some people.
[15:51] <_quasimodo> i also copied the new firmware files from github
[15:51] <_quasimodo> hm :(
[15:52] <CeilingKitten> hxxp://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals has a list of what other people reported what works some of the class 10's work and some just need a firmware update.
[15:52] <CeilingKitten> see if your card is on the list :) maybe someone include a note about, getting it working
[15:52] <Jimmy06> glad my class 10's are ok :P
[15:53] <_quasimodo> i still have an really old 1gb card
[15:54] <_quasimodo> are there images smaller than 1gb?
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[15:54] <Jimmy06> 16GB SDHC Class 10 (SD10G2/16GB, ultimateX 100X)
[15:54] <Jimmy06> they work relly well :)
[15:54] <CeilingKitten> yeah i was hesitant to buy a new sd card so i'm using a class 4, 8gb from my old phone =] I can't wait to get one with a huge read/writespeed though. It currently takes me like 45seconds to boot, but could always be worse.
[15:55] <_quasimodo> my class 10 card is a 16 GB Platinum
[15:55] <CeilingKitten> thanks Jimmy06, i'll see if i can pick one up ^^, hows your boot time?
[15:55] <Jimmy06> where are you calcing boot time until ? i have no screen attached btw lol
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[15:56] <CeilingKitten> oh i just wait till the desktop shows up, but i have it plugged into a tv at the moment
[15:57] <Jimmy06> suppose could make a small script to calc it
[15:57] <Jimmy06> calc a reoobt
[15:57] <Jimmy06> reboot
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[15:58] <CeilingKitten> =] i was looking to learn a script to swap config.txt's on reboot for diff settings.
[16:00] <CeilingKitten> i wrote a single line wget to get my ip, and submit it to NoIP.org, it runs once on boot, but if i can learn scheduling maybe i can set it to run when ethernet goes down/up again
[16:01] <dmsuse> just add it to /etc/crontab
[16:02] <dmsuse> why would ethernet go down?
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[16:15] <obiat> how long do you wait for raspberrypi? you can place pre-order now
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[16:24] <dmsuse> obiat: few months
[16:24] <dirty_d> why is it taking so long to ramp up production?
[16:24] <dmsuse> they're lazy
[16:24] <dirty_d> yea but its money
[16:25] <dmsuse> money comes and goes :P
[16:25] <Thorn_> not in my wallet
[16:25] <Peanut> I got the 'goes'part down pat by now..
[16:25] <dmsuse> lawl
[16:25] <Tenchworks> I wonder if any educational groups/systems tried placing orders yet
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[16:26] <Tenchworks> they might be holding aside some of the produce units for that if there's already been a large order
[16:27] <dirty_d> hmm, damnit i have to wait for my post on he forums to be approved by a moderator
[16:27] <obiat> cool thanks; I may order it though i guess i'll buy something else for now
[16:27] <dirty_d> i thought ive posted before
[16:27] <dirty_d> its just the first post that needs to be approved right? not every one?
[16:27] <Tenchworks> if your impatient... you could get it formt eh 3rd seller
[16:27] <Tenchworks> that being ebay >.>
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[16:28] * Peanut does wonder at what speed they could stamp out RPI now they've got the tooling and everything set up.
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[16:31] <chaoshax> Can I use gparted to expand the root filesystem in raspbian?
[16:31] <Jimmy06> yes
[16:31] <Jimmy06> but it had to be unmounted
[16:32] <chaoshax> Thanks, well I will do it on another computer ofc.
[16:32] <Jimmy06> :)
[16:32] <mythos> and you have to ask the gparted developers for allowance :O
[16:32] <dmsuse> gparted sucks, use fdisk
[16:32] <dmsuse> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[16:32] <Jimmy06> i used a vmware gparted
[16:32] <dmsuse> fdisk u can do it on the pi while its running
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[16:32] <ReggieUK> but if cmdline scares you, use gparted
[16:33] <chaoshax> It's actually probably quicker to use gparted.
[16:33] <ReggieUK> or if you don't have the inclination to worry about numbers, use gparted :D
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[16:40] <Jimmy06> CeilingKitten, you there ?
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[16:43] <Pyrofer> hello
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[16:43] <Pyrofer> hey, its blkhawk!
[16:43] <Pyrofer> hello. You not in df3120 anymore?
[16:43] <ReggieUK> I bet it isn't
[16:43] <ReggieUK> I bet it's just his client being hinky
[16:43] <Pyrofer> oh your here too :p
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[16:43] <blkhawk> Pyrofer: i am still in the channel ;)
[16:44] <ReggieUK> wahay, blkhawk is alive
[16:44] <ReggieUK> hey dude :)
[16:44] <blkhawk> haha yes
[16:44] <Pyrofer> setup the pi, jeez its a mission
[16:44] <blkhawk> cleaning the keyboard made my irc client crash
[16:44] <MikeL> http://46.64.8.190/ Why would somebody doe this?
[16:44] <Pyrofer> first, I couldnt get ANY picture on my DVI monitor
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[16:44] <ReggieUK> MikeL, describe what 'this' is?
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[16:44] <MikeL> someones web server on the pi
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[16:44] <Pyrofer> Seems my dvi adaptor just doesnt work :(
[16:45] <deam> MikeL: not going to click random links
[16:45] <MikeL> with SSH details and root password
[16:45] <ReggieUK> did you check the troubleshooting section on the wiki
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[16:45] <Pyrofer> its my adapter
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[16:45] <Pyrofer> works direct hdmi to tv
[16:45] <Pyrofer> stupid default to ntsc too!
[16:45] <ReggieUK> yeah, umm, 2 words, joined together, honeypot?
[16:45] <deam> MikeL: maybe it's an honeypot
[16:45] <Pyrofer> had it in black and white on the cheap tv
[16:45] <Pyrofer> tried to log in headless, and of course it doesnt work
[16:45] <MikeL> maybe
[16:46] <Pyrofer> taken me hours to find out
[16:46] <Pyrofer> ssh isnt enabled as default !
[16:46] <Pyrofer> wt
[16:46] <blkhawk> Pyrofer: depends on the image you use
[16:46] <Pyrofer> f
[16:46] <blkhawk> i use rapsbian
[16:46] <ReggieUK> that's why I said grab wheezy as you at least get to setup all the 'important' stuff on first boot
[16:46] <Pyrofer> It was the default "download this image" when I clicked downloads at raspi.org
[16:46] <ReggieUK> but you can just add it to cmdline.text (or is it config.txt?)
[16:47] <Jimmy06> config.txt
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[16:47] <Pyrofer> right now its taking all day to compile fceultra
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[16:47] <blkhawk> Pyrofer: the hdmi stuff is set in config.txt
[16:47] <ReggieUK> you mentalist :D
[16:47] <blkhawk> thats also where you overclock
[16:47] <Pyrofer> I tried hdmi safe mode, that didnt work
[16:48] <Pyrofer> I assume its the adapter is wrong
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[16:48] <Pyrofer> the psu I found was 180mah :(
[16:48] <dirty_d> any forum mods?
[16:48] <Pyrofer> enough too boot, and get display, but wouldnt power ethernet or usb
[16:49] <blkhawk> Pyrofer: you can inject 5v directly via the gpio
[16:49] <Pyrofer> hah
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[16:49] <Pyrofer> good idea.
[16:49] <ReggieUK> 180ma is just not even worth bothering with
[16:49] <Pyrofer> I have plenty of 5v supplies, just none with that stupid plug
[16:49] <blkhawk> ya
[16:49] <blkhawk> just solder a direct injector
[16:49] <Pyrofer> using a micro usb cable and iPod charger atm
[16:50] <blkhawk> just be careful as its bypasses the fuse
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[16:50] <ReggieUK> I reckon a lot of the issues are 5v chargers and grotty microusb cables
[16:50] <ReggieUK> 5.25v charger/psu and you can use whatever junk you like :D
[16:50] <Jimmy06> If we dont power the Pi down does it hold the time when its been rebooted ?
[16:51] <blkhawk> Jimmy06: i think the fakeHW clock writes the time to flash
[16:51] <ReggieUK> probably not in any meaninfully accurate way
[16:51] <Jimmy06> It took -1341067623 seconds
[16:51] <Jimmy06> lol
[16:52] <Jimmy06> im guessing my crontab ran before it reloaded the time
[16:52] <Tenchworks> negative time?
[16:52] <Tenchworks> we time traveling in here
[16:52] <Jimmy06> exactly lol
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[16:52] <Peanut> When typin 'lsmod', are you supposed to see any modules loaded?
[16:52] <Tenchworks> the RPi timemachine
[16:52] <Tenchworks> join for a trip into the past
[16:53] <Tenchworks> *join us
[16:53] <blkhawk> Peanut: yes
[16:53] <Pyrofer> is there a way to get a browser with flash?
[16:53] <Jimmy06> yeah its a negative value every time :(
[16:53] <ReggieUK> Peanut, only if you've used something that loads a module
[16:53] <Peanut> blkhawk: Thanks - then my kernel is clearly unable to load any modules.
[16:53] <Tenchworks> isn't adobe's arm version of flash not all that great?
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[16:54] <Pyrofer> my kid wants to play these stuid social networking sites for kids
[16:54] <Peanut> Tenchworks: any Linux version of flash is not that great, honestly.
[16:54] <Pyrofer> club penguin etc
[16:54] <ReggieUK> he's probably out of luck
[16:54] <Pyrofer> I thought as much.
[16:54] <ReggieUK> tell them to write their own with python
[16:54] <Pyrofer> well he is only 6
[16:54] <Tenchworks> true but there's working okay'sh then there's the please shoot me it's that bad
[16:55] <Pyrofer> Windows flash is normally "please shoot me" bad
[16:55] <Tenchworks> haha
[16:55] <Pyrofer> right time to check if fceultra is done. brb.
[16:56] <yorick> so basically, I get a powered USB-hub, run a USB cable from my pi to the hub, rub a microusb cable from the hub to the pi, and that works? :)
[16:57] <Peanut> yorick: that's what I'm planning on, too. Currently running my pi from a charger, and keyboard/mouse plugged in directly to the RPI.
[16:57] <Jimmy06> yeah its a negative value every time :(
[16:57] <yorick> I don't have a display yet :/
[16:58] <yorick> also I don't have any idea what I'm going to do with the pi
[16:58] <yorick> except look at it :)
[16:58] <Peanut> Mine is running on HDMI
[16:59] <yorick> it's a shame it can't do vga :/
[16:59] <Peanut> Oh, I'm planning on installing/porting gphoto2 and use it to control my DSLR for timelapses - setting aperture, ISO and shutter speed for every shot.
[16:59] <chaoshax> You don't need to port, it's just about fulfilling dependencies really.
[17:00] <chaoshax> And compiling
[17:00] <ReggieUK> and apt-get should pull those in for you shouldn't it?
[17:00] <ReggieUK> is it part of the repos
[17:00] <Peanut> Haven't tried yet, lemme see...
[17:00] <ReggieUK> if it's*
[17:00] <yorick> oh, it works with sdhc
[17:00] <Jimmy06> i take it the date is set via date --set
[17:00] <chaoshax> Jimmy06, Use ntp.
[17:00] <yorick> then I don't need to find a new sd card reader thingy, I can use that microsdhc converter card
[17:00] <ReggieUK> time/date should set itself up
[17:01] <Peanut> Nice, libgphoto2 seems to be part of the repo.
[17:01] <Jimmy06> chaoshax, im trying to work out whats setting the time to start with
[17:01] <Peanut> I'll install it after growin the SDcard.
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[17:02] <Peanut> Jimmy06: do you have NTP installed? It's probably trying to get its initial time from a pool of NTP servers. You can edit /etc/ntp.conf to make it use something local, e.g. your ADSL modem.
[17:02] <Jimmy06> no i dont have it installed
[17:02] <chaoshax> Never realized that adsl modems have ntp servers :)
[17:02] <Jimmy06> they dont
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[17:03] <Peanut> chaoshax: My fritzbox does, it seems.
[17:03] <Peanut> remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
[17:03] <Peanut> ==============================================================================
[17:03] <Jimmy06> and thats soly a modem ?
[17:03] <Peanut> +chime1.surfnet. 194.171.167.130 2 u 687 1024 377 2.449 0.529 0.185
[17:03] <Jimmy06> does no routing
[17:03] <Peanut> *chime2.surfnet. .GPS. 1 u 522 1024 377 5.928 0.635 0.085
[17:03] <Peanut> +chime3.surfnet. .GPS. 1 u 487 1024 377 5.131 -1.640 0.429
[17:03] <ReggieUK> dude
[17:03] <Peanut> juw31.nfra.nl 192.87.36.4 2 u 272 1024 377 0.140 0.983 0.140
[17:03] <ReggieUK> stop
[17:03] <Peanut> Err.. please ignore that, I forgot this irc session is ssh-ed from somewhere else :-(
[17:03] <chaoshax> lol
[17:03] <ReggieUK> pastebin
[17:03] <Peanut> juw32.nfra.nl 192.87.36.4 2 u 740 1024 376 0.180 0.760 0.171
[17:03] <Peanut> Yeah, sorry - on my RPI it's only one line.
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[17:04] <Peanut> I ran it on the command line to see how much output it would generate.
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[17:04] <Jimmy06> why would the Pi start running cron jobs before setting its time
[17:04] <yorick> my modem does not
[17:05] <Jimmy06> fritzbox sounds more like a router then a modem tbh
[17:05] <yorick> offset 65.833943 sec <-- why is the offset always 55-65 seconds
[17:05] <yorick> doesn't matter if I sync every day, or every week
[17:05] <Peanut> Yeah, it's an ADSL router + wifi + dect + answering machine.
[17:05] <yorick> it's always 55-65 seconds.
[17:05] <Jimmy06> so its not an adsl modem then. though it has one built in
[17:06] <Jimmy06> the time stamp i get back from a cronjob set to run on boot is Mon, 04 Jul 1927 09:12:57 GMT
[17:06] <Peanut> Jimmy06: you're right, but most people don't make that distinction, I don't even think they sell 'pure' ADSL modems these days.
[17:06] <Jimmy06> they do Peanut
[17:06] <Jimmy06> i own/use one right now
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[17:09] <Jimmy06> That doesnt make sence to me. Cron jobs set to @reboot will always see a timestamp around "Mon, 04 Jul 1927 09:12:57 GMT"
[17:10] <yggdrasil> whats up
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[17:12] <ReggieUK> http://hackaday.com/2012/06/30/raspberry-pi-power-regulator-transplant-reduces-power-consumption/
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[17:14] <yggdrasil> that looks promising.
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> Suggested that a while back
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[17:14] <ReggieUK> Yeah, I can see b7q selling a few heatguns this weekend
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> In principle, setting V_core to a low value, and supplying internal power through that may help a bit more
[17:15] <ReggieUK> B&Q
[17:15] <dmsuse> whoa whats this
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[17:15] <SpeedEvil> The 1.8v rail, and the CPU voltage rail are the remaining probable large consumers
[17:15] <ReggieUK> I like anything that bypasses the 700ma polyfuse and allows me to plug a proper psu into the pi
[17:16] <crenn> Using a 3.3V switch mode isn't going to be that 'good' in power savings
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> It boosts it ~20-30%
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> but, you need to get the 1.8V rail done, for good powersaving
[17:17] <ReggieUK> I like them just for getting a decent 5v into the pi
[17:17] <dmsuse> so if i power it via gpio instead of the micro usb ill save 25% energy?
[17:17] <crenn> SpeedEvil: I'm more thinking about wanting a stable 3.3V rail into the pi
[17:17] <ReggieUK> dmsuse, no
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> It also needs 5V
[17:17] <Jimmy06> is the ethernet even up when @reboto cron would run ?
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> At least for the USB
[17:17] <crenn> That's what I mean
[17:17] <Jimmy06> @reboot
[17:18] <ReggieUK> if you remove the 3.3v linear regulator first and replace that it will
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[17:18] <crenn> If you just a good SMPS 5V output into the Pi, I can't see why you'd also replace the 3.3V reg
[17:18] <bnmorgan> thank you whoever it was that told me to give up and reflash last night
[17:19] <bnmorgan> seems everything is at least back to the normal state of screwed up that i create
[17:19] <crenn> The losses for that is minimal(ish)
[17:19] <ReggieUK> because that's where the saving is, in the removal of the 3.3v reg and replacement with something more efficient
[17:19] <dmsuse> :o
[17:19] <ReggieUK> the 5v efficiency saving is debatable
[17:19] <ReggieUK> because it depends how efficient your supply was in the first place :)
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> crenn: If you care about using it on battery
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> crenn: Clearly it's unimportant for mains.
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> But it's plausible that you can reduce power to perhaps 40% of normal, with no effect on functionality.
[17:21] <crenn> Well I suppose it's not a bad thing since there is a 1.8V regulator after that 3.3V reg anyway providing power to the processor
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> - replacing the 3.3V, the 1.8V, and the linear regulator inside the SoC to provide the core voltage.
[17:22] <dmsuse> any useful components in an old floppy drive?
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> dmsuse: steppers, mechanicals
[17:22] <crenn> Depends on how tolerant the SoC is to PSU noise I suppose
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> older drives are more useful
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[17:23] <SpeedEvil> SMPS are not hard to filter.
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> At least at these power levels
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[17:23] <crenn> SpeedEvil: I'm not saying they are hard to, just the problem of getting the noise low enough to be 'stable'
[17:24] <crenn> But then again, it's what you consider 'stable' in the first place since different projects have different tolerances
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> GEtting ~10mV of noise is pretty trivial.
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[17:25] <SpeedEvil> The SoC is extremely unlikely to care about voltage noise in that range.
[17:25] <crenn> SpeedEvil: If it's that low, then that wouldn't be a problem for most systems
[17:26] <ReggieUK> don't forget there's a 2.5v reg on the board too
[17:26] <crenn> For the Ethernet?
[17:27] <ReggieUK> no idea what that's for
[17:27] <crenn> We could just look at the schematic I suppose xD
[17:27] <crenn> Anyway, time I slept
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> And yes, it would be best to get actual current measuremetns on all of these - if for some reason the chip draws lots at 3.3 - well - teh power savings are going to be small
[17:27] <ReggieUK> we could but we'll be a while (I'm there already)
[17:27] <crenn> 1:26AM here and I've been playing with a Pi all day
[17:27] <ReggieUK> the 2.5v and 1.8v regs draw from the 3.3v reg
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> The chip as in the irrecadicable loads - say the SoC core wants it for some wierd reason
[17:28] <crenn> I can understand why that is
[17:29] <chaoshax> How can I clone my sd card?
[17:29] <chaoshax> to an image
[17:29] <yggdrasil> dd
[17:29] <chaoshax> thanks
[17:30] <ReggieUK> just use the same as imaging it to the card, but reverse the if/of
[17:30] <yggdrasil> sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=2gb.img bs=1M count=1
[17:30] <yggdrasil> something like that
[17:30] <ReggieUK> yup
[17:30] <FrozenCow> does anyone else have problems running anything vchiq related on archlinuxarm?
[17:30] <yggdrasil> get rid of the count
[17:30] <yggdrasil> sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=2gb.img bs=1M
[17:30] <yggdrasil> make sure you unmount /dev/mmclbk0px first
[17:30] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, where are you seeing that the core wants 2.5v?
[17:30] <chaoshax> Ok I will try it nicely.
[17:31] <FrozenCow> omxplayer and all examples in /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/ do not show anything on screen
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: I've not looked
[17:31] <ReggieUK> ahh :)
[17:31] <ReggieUK> ok, no worries
[17:31] <ReggieUK> oooh found it
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: I was meaning 'what happens if you remove all the regulators and SMPS it'
[17:31] <ReggieUK> ahh
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> which doesn't count the regulator draw from other rails, as they'd be gone
[17:32] <ReggieUK> page 2, G7, it's part of the DAC circuit for the core
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> Prolly composite then
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> maybe sound
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[17:32] <ReggieUK> composite
[17:33] <ReggieUK> 3.3v fr the audio circuit
[17:33] <dmsuse> do ups delivery saturdays?
[17:33] <Tenchworks> yes
[17:33] <Tenchworks> well actually
[17:33] <Tenchworks> not sure
[17:33] <Tenchworks> I had a next day
[17:34] <Tenchworks> when they did for me
[17:34] <dmsuse> same here but it still aint arrived
[17:34] <Tenchworks> they should
[17:34] <Tenchworks> but they might pull the not a valid business day on you
[17:34] <Tenchworks> though for next day deliveries they shouldn't
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> 'We, as a corporation, don't believe in mondays'.
[17:35] <Pyrofer> so what is actual current draw for a pi then?
[17:35] <dmsuse> well actually
[17:35] <dmsuse> Delivery Method Same day dispatch (free)
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> Pyrofer: ~400mA or so @5V
[17:35] <Tenchworks> you could call their local warehouse and ask
[17:35] <Pyrofer> I wanted to run it off USB on the TV's usb port
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> Pyrofer: So, 2Wish.
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> Pyrofer: that may be marginal - it uses more with ethernet, and keybaord adds too
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> Powered hub is probably a good idea
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[17:36] <Pyrofer> the idea was to avoid other sockets and psu etc
[17:37] <Pyrofer> would be no ethernet there for now, no cable that long.
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[17:51] <sirclockalot> why is it that in debian i can use modprobe in root but when i use my user account it says there is no command?
[17:51] <sirclockalot> i can play music in root but not in my user
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[17:52] <j0nnymoe> right so progress on my pi
[17:52] <j0nnymoe> new sd card
[17:52] <j0nnymoe> and got it running over composite
[17:52] <neofutur> sirclockalot: use full command /sbin/modprobe
[17:52] <DaQatz> Pi can be picky about outputs
[17:52] <neofutur> /sbin is not in user PATH
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[17:53] <sirclockalot> Error: missing parameters. See -h.
[17:53] <j0nnymoe> DaQatz, ive noticed
[17:53] <j0nnymoe> cant get it running on HDMI at all
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[17:54] <DaQatz> To get it to work with my monitor. I need to turn off all other outputs to the monitor. Then turn on the monitor just as I boot the pi.
[17:54] <DaQatz> That's WITH force hdmi in config
[17:54] <j0nnymoe> hd tv im trying this on
[17:56] <Pyrofer> did you try hdmi safe mode?
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[17:57] <mervaka> dirty_d: having a look at the possibility that there's not enough current going to the pwm module
[17:58] <dirty_d> maybe
[17:58] <mervaka> not sure how i'm going to get more current to the device though :/
[17:58] <dirty_d> whats the voltage?
[17:58] <mervaka> well its off the 5v supply
[17:59] <mervaka> got my 1A bench supply going into pins 2 and 6 of the header
[17:59] <mervaka> and stuck a 1000u cap across it too
[17:59] <mervaka> no joy :/
[18:00] <j0nnymoe> Pyrofer, just tried it
[18:00] <j0nnymoe> no luck
[18:00] <j0nnymoe> now it wont boot on composite
[18:00] <mervaka> in fact, the SD still has problems booting
[18:00] <mervaka> 4.8v across TP1/2
[18:01] <ReggieUK> what else is plugged in?
[18:01] <dirty_d> sounds ok
[18:01] <ReggieUK> 4.8v is fairly marginal
[18:01] <mervaka> hmm
[18:01] <dirty_d> i think mines less than that
[18:01] <mervaka> maybe i should remove the ralink wireless adapter :p
[18:01] <dirty_d> ReggieUK, everything runs off 3.3v though doesnt it?
[18:01] <ReggieUK> no
[18:01] <dirty_d> oh
[18:01] <ReggieUK> usb certainly doesn't
[18:01] <dirty_d> true
[18:02] <mervaka> hmm
[18:02] <mervaka> took the ralink adapter out, the TP PD hasnt changed
[18:02] <dirty_d> mervaka, what do you have hooked up the the pwm output?
[18:02] <mervaka> xoscope again
[18:02] <bnmorgan> doing the partition resize thing via the video....could someone explain exactly what a swapfile is in plain english
[18:02] <dirty_d> and nothing else loading it?
[18:02] <mervaka> i get a perfectly clean pwm signal at 24000
[18:02] <mervaka> dirty_d: nope
[18:02] <ReggieUK> swapfile is what the system uses as virtual ram when it runs out of real ram
[18:02] <ReggieUK> simple enough?
[18:03] <dirty_d> mervaka, 24000 should be straight dc
[18:03] <mervaka> thats true
[18:03] <dirty_d> 12000 would be 50% duty cycle
[18:03] <dirty_d> right?
[18:03] <mervaka> hmm
[18:03] <dirty_d> unless it doesnt work like i think
[18:03] <bnmorgan> reggie yep, thank you much
[18:03] <dirty_d> mervaka, at 2400 what duty cycle is it>?
[18:03] <dirty_d> 24000
[18:04] <mervaka> range is sstill 24000
[18:04] <mervaka> um, one sec
[18:04] <bnmorgan> is 256 enough swap?
[18:04] <mervaka> oh, i should have said
[18:04] <dirty_d> i need to hook up my pi and check it out on my scope thing
[18:04] <mervaka> 12000 was a perfectly clean signal
[18:05] <dirty_d> and about 50%?
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[18:05] <mervaka> yes
[18:05] <dirty_d> how far down can you go before things go bonkers?
[18:05] <mervaka> near enough
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[18:05] <mervaka> erm
[18:05] <mervaka> its hard to say
[18:05] <mjr> bnmorgan, if it's not, you probably have other problems ;)
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[18:05] <mervaka> at 18000 the positive edge is a bit curvy
[18:05] <mervaka> etc
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[18:05] <mervaka> isnt a step change
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[18:06] <yggdrasil> any one had success with mame on wheezy ?
[18:06] <ReggieUK> SSilver2k2 got advmame working
[18:06] <mervaka> on the plus side, i've got a nice socket wired to fit on the first 6 even pins of the pi now :)
[18:06] <j0nnymoe> have to say, i knew the pi would be picky with stuff
[18:06] <j0nnymoe> but i didnt expect it to be this picky
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[18:06] <j0nnymoe> got it to boot twice on composite
[18:06] <Jimmy06> does anyone understand why the time is not set before crontab jobs can run @reboot ? or how to change it
[18:06] <j0nnymoe> and no lukc now
[18:07] <ReggieUK> j0nnymoe, not everyone has had these issues
[18:07] <ReggieUK> I haven't
[18:07] <j0nnymoe> is it possibly mine is faulty?
[18:08] <dirty_d> mervaka, im hooking mine up to the scope thing
[18:08] <dirty_d> gotta find a long ethernet cable first
[18:08] <mervaka> ok
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[18:08] <mervaka> what scope? :o
[18:08] <ReggieUK> worked fine in my hdmi tv, worked fine in composite on my hdtv, worked fine on a black and white 5" crt from last century
[18:08] <mervaka> bitscope?
[18:08] <mervaka> i'm running composite at the moment
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[18:09] <mervaka> isnt HDMI, but then that's composite for you
[18:09] <mervaka> shoddy and horrible standard, but simple
[18:09] <j0nnymoe> will try the new wheezy beta later
[18:09] <Jimmy06> trying to run a script that sets the time to a file then grabs it from the cronjob on boot
[18:09] <ReggieUK> it's an old standard that did a job for plenty of years
[18:09] <Jimmy06> It took -1341067623 seconds
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[18:10] <mervaka> ReggieUK: shocking truth is, people still use it in low budget broadcast
[18:10] <mervaka> :(
[18:10] <dirty_d> mervaka, my soundcard
[18:10] <mervaka> dirty_d: ah ok
[18:11] <mervaka> i really wanted a bitscope, but then my lecturer looked at it and laughed
[18:11] <mervaka> apparently the intermod specs are pretty crap
[18:11] <mervaka> so cant really be used for anything serious
[18:11] <dirty_d> i want a real scope
[18:11] <mervaka> i want a tenma now
[18:11] <dirty_d> id fel bad spending $400 on one though
[18:11] <mervaka> DSO
[18:12] <dirty_d> yea
[18:12] <mervaka> i might get one within this next year
[18:12] <mervaka> or a gwinstek
[18:13] <mervaka> i just had a rather obvious thought..
[18:13] <mervaka> 3.5mm out of the pi
[18:13] <mervaka> 3.5mm in on here
[18:13] <mervaka> easy PWM scoping!
[18:14] <mervaka> i've had this heath robsinson arrangement set up for days!
[18:14] <mervaka> duh
[18:14] <dirty_d> mervaka, thats what im doing
[18:14] <dirty_d> all hooked up nowe
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[18:16] <hotwings> [09:07:50] <Jimmy06> trying to run a script that sets the time to a file then grabs it from the cronjob on boot <-- why?
[18:17] <Jimmy06> Why doesnt really matter
[18:17] <Jimmy06> the fact that the times wrong when crontab runs is
[18:17] <hotwings> of course its wrong, why wouldnt it be?
[18:17] <Jimmy06> we'll i never set the time yet it finds it out
[18:18] <Draylor> lols
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[18:18] <Draylor> next we'll find you've no idea what ntp is
[18:18] <Jimmy06> i know exactly what it is
[18:18] <Jimmy06> yet its not installed
[18:19] <Jimmy06> ok so theres ntpd
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> netdate !=ntpd
[18:19] <Jimmy06> but how do i start ntpd before running that crontab
[18:20] <Jimmy06> i know what ntp is xD
[18:20] <hotwings> what exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
[18:20] <Draylor> so you want ot start ntpd before manually setting the clock to the wrong time, and you dont see a problem with that?
[18:20] <Jimmy06> getting the date in my crontab
[18:20] <Draylor> this goes from weird to just plain ridiculous
[18:20] <Jimmy06> I've never set the time on this thing manually
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[18:21] <Jimmy06> Sat Jun 30 17:19:14 BST 2012
[18:21] <Jimmy06> yet its correct
[18:21] <Draylor> shocking that
[18:21] <hotwings> you simply want to set the correct date+time when the rpi boots, is that all?
[18:21] <Jimmy06> stop being so rude
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[18:21] <Jimmy06> yes hotwings
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[18:21] <Draylor> if its got net access it does it for itself, no need to
[18:22] <Jimmy06> yeah Draylor clever chap it doesnt before the crntab runs
[18:22] <bnmorgan> reminds me i need to find out how to change my locations and such
[18:22] <Draylor> so fix the order those processes run in
[18:22] <Draylor> instead of trying to do something so daft :)
[18:22] <Jimmy06> im not doing anything accept asking questions
[18:23] <Jimmy06> about how to use the correct time in a script in a scron job
[18:23] <IT_Sean> Gentlemen, let's keep it civil, aye?
[18:23] <Jimmy06> cron*
[18:23] <hotwings> theres no need to write any special scripts or do anything out of the ordinary
[18:24] <Jimmy06> i just want to use the date in a cronjob
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[18:24] <Jimmy06> thats not 1932 or what ever it was
[18:24] <Draylor> heh
[18:24] <sako> afternoon guys
[18:24] <Draylor> 1970 most likely
[18:25] <ssta> it does that anyway, if it has net access
[18:25] <Walther> 1.1.1970
[18:25] <Draylor> would be mighty odd if it wasnt
[18:25] <dirty_d> mervaka, im seeing a good wave at 12000
[18:26] <sako> Can anyone recommend a good game thats ported over to arm?#
[18:26] <mervaka> dirty_d: let me try
[18:26] <dirty_d> mervaka, same thing at 12000, nice looking servo pulse
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[18:26] <Jimmy06> calculator
[18:26] <dirty_d> sorry, 1200
[18:27] <Jimmy06> So im looking to change rc.d ?
[18:27] <Jimmy06> /etc/rc2.d
[18:27] <dirty_d> i think ive made some kinda mistake
[18:27] <hotwings> not exactly, do you have a script in /etc/init.d that sets the time?
[18:28] <ssta> on mine it's S18ntp in rc2.d. What exactly are you trying to do?
[18:28] <Jimmy06> yes hotwings
[18:28] <Jimmy06> and in rc2.d
[18:28] <ssta> Jimmy06: what's in rc2.d is a symlink to init.d
[18:28] <Jimmy06> i want to set the time before cronjobs are run
[18:28] <ReggieUK> sako, kobo deluxe is a nice 2d parallax shooter
[18:28] <Jimmy06> i know ssta
[18:29] <hotwings> rc2.d is generated, you shouldnt change things in there
[18:29] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=9621
[18:29] <sako> Thanks Reg
[18:29] <Jimmy06> ok
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[18:29] <ReggieUK> it's pretty simple
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[18:29] <hotwings> instead you need to make sure the settings are correct in the "# Required-Start:" of your time script
[18:29] <ReggieUK> but its very well done and quite addictive
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[18:29] <sako> I'll give a bash now :)
[18:30] <yggdrasil> im having a hard time getting vnc working.
[18:30] <Jimmy06> # Required-Start: $network $remote_fs $syslog
[18:30] <hotwings> then: update-rc.d <script name> defaults
[18:30] <Draylor> 5mins initial startup time?
[18:30] <Draylor> heh, thats like loading games from cassette 30years ago :D
[18:30] <Draylor> (well, quick ones, but still)
[18:30] <mervaka> dirty_d: looks okay at 1200
[18:30] <mervaka> but then thats a very low duty cycle
[18:30] <Jimmy06> so really i want to change cron's # Required-Start to include ntp
[18:30] <hotwings> iirc for setting time you only need $local_fs $network
[18:31] <yggdrasil> has anyone got vnc working ..to operate the displayon composite? most tutrials seem like the ywant to make a sepearte x session
[18:31] <dirty_d> mervaka, 1200 should be a 1ms pulse
[18:31] <dirty_d> 2400 a 2ms pulse
[18:31] <dirty_d> thats the servo spec
[18:31] <Jimmy06> infact it does apparantly
[18:31] <hotwings> actually you need $named too
[18:31] <Jimmy06> me
[18:31] <Jimmy06> # Required-Start: $remote_fs $syslog $time
[18:32] <mervaka> dirty_d: 250us
[18:32] <sako> Reg.. Kobo is it available through apt-get?#
[18:32] <Pyrofer> wow, HackADay is all Pi recently
[18:32] <mervaka> at 1200
[18:32] <hotwings> change it to: $local_fs $network $named
[18:32] <hotwings> then: update-rc.d <script name> defaults
[18:32] <hotwings> then reboot and see what happens
[18:32] <dirty_d> mervaka, hmm, yea soemthing strange is happeing
[18:32] <Jimmy06> hotwings, what one ?
[18:32] <mervaka> yeah
[18:32] <dirty_d> mervaka, 2400 is 2ms though
[18:33] <dirty_d> 1200 is way too small
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[18:33] <ReggieUK> sako, I hate to point out the obvious (yeah, right :D) but it is on that forum post what you need to do :)
[18:33] <mervaka> 2ms, yeah
[18:33] <ReggieUK> To install directly from a pi, open a terminal and do:
[18:33] <ReggieUK> sudo apt-get install kobodeluxe
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[18:33] <hotwings> Jimmy06 - your ntpdate script
[18:33] <mervaka> perfect, near enough
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[18:33] <mervaka> do we need a higher clock rate?
[18:33] <dirty_d> shouldnt
[18:33] <mervaka> like double
[18:33] <mervaka> hmm
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[18:33] <dirty_d> very wierd
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[18:34] <mervaka> also, does your trace go negative?
[18:34] <sako> LOL. which forum post? What I is missin :)
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[18:34] <sako> kobo
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[18:34] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=9621
[18:34] <elko> hello there. anyone using openelec and usb sound? i've got some questions
[18:34] <sako> dog..wrong keyboard
[18:35] <dirty_d> mervaka, no
[18:35] <adammw111> My Raspberry Pi is driving me nuts, it keeps turning off just after (or even during) boot. Any hints? Power Supply is a 1A Samsung Charger, happens even with no peripherals connected
[18:35] <dirty_d> mervaka, i wonder if your servos will work at 400Hz
[18:35] * mervaka googles
[18:35] <ReggieUK> adammw111, do you have a meter to test tp1/tp2
[18:35] <sako> Thanks Reg
[18:35] <ReggieUK> you're welcome
[18:35] <Jimmy06> hotwings, that didnt fix the problem
[18:35] <Pyrofer> right, off to do stuff. Laters
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[18:36] <adammw111> I do, but I suspect that it is incorrectly calibrated, thereby of no use. Every USB port I've measured with it comes out about 6.3 V
[18:36] <hotwings> Jimmy06 - http://pastebin.com/81GH3FF4
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[18:36] <ReggieUK> ouch, yeah, that's not hot
[18:36] <hotwings> that is my script, just with something else removed that you dont need. it works fine
[18:36] <Jimmy06> hotwings, by the time i login the times correct anyway
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[18:37] <adammw111> The annoying thing is that it's intermittent. Yesterday it worked fine all day, the day before it had the same problem turning off within 10 seconds.
[18:38] <ReggieUK> what type of turning off?
[18:38] <ReggieUK> what about monitoring the kernel log, anything going on there that might indicate an issue?
[18:39] <ssta> Jimmy06: when exactly do you want the cronjob to run? Does @reboot not work for you?
[18:39] <Jimmy06> ssta yeah @reboot works accept the times not set then
[18:39] <ReggieUK> I would suggest trying to access to a better meter if you can for a start
[18:39] <adammw111> Red PWR Led stays on (because it's still physically connected), rest of LEDs turn off, no longer responsive. No kernel messages pre-empt the issue, and I doubt that anything would be saved to the SD card in time, but i'll try and check now
[18:39] <hotwings> Jimmy06 it sounds like you want to fix something that isnt broken
[18:39] <ReggieUK> try different psus if you can too
[18:39] <ssta> Jimmy06: @reboot sleep 10; runsomescript.sh
[18:40] <dirty_d> mervaka, this is really wacky
[18:40] <hotwings> typical of linux: fix it til it breaks!
[18:40] <Jimmy06> ill try that
[18:40] <mervaka> yeah :(
[18:40] <Jimmy06> i had thought of that but then my question sparked outrage :(
[18:40] <ReggieUK> that's the trouble, everyone has got an opinion of fixed and broken and everyone has access to tinker in linux :D
[18:40] <Jimmy06> hotwings, the issue is not that its never set its that its not set when the cron jobs run
[18:41] <adammw111> where's the log kept, I tried /var/log/dmesg but that's just the current boot
[18:41] <elko> has anyone tried usb sound with the raspberry pi?
[18:41] <ssta> Jimmy06: cronm doesn't run until time is set
[18:41] <Jimmy06> clearly it does
[18:41] <ReggieUK> ahh, yeah that I'm not sure about, in general, you'd monitor the messages via a terminal somewhere
[18:42] <Jimmy06> even though its not ment to
[18:42] <dirty_d> mervaka, this thing must work different than i think
[18:42] <Jimmy06> It took -1341073968 seconds
[18:42] <Tenchworks> since there's no actual clock then maybe it is being set in the virtual clock then updated after
[18:42] <dirty_d> but the datasheet seems to make it clear
[18:42] <mervaka> the range sets the frequency
[18:42] <dirty_d> yea
[18:42] <dirty_d> that part works fine
[18:42] <mervaka> along with the clock
[18:42] <mervaka> yeah
[18:42] <dirty_d> its just the duty cycle thats screwed up
[18:42] <mervaka> and the mark is set by the data
[18:43] <Tenchworks> so your job see that the clock is set but in reality it's just a placeholder till the system can update with the actual time
[18:43] <mervaka> well from what i gather, the software side is fine
[18:43] <mervaka> it's just not stable.
[18:43] <ReggieUK> adammw111, http://linux.die.net/man/8/klogd
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[18:43] <adammw111> BTW, I've tried both Apple 1A iPod Charger, Samsung 1A Phone Charger, USB Port on my Printer, USB Port on my Playstation 2, USB Port on my set-top box, all with the same problem.
[18:43] <dirty_d> mervaka, maybe the freq is too high for it to handle
[18:44] <ReggieUK> printer, ps2 and set-top box wouldn't be recommended anyway
[18:44] <yggdrasil> ahh sweet got vnc wokring :)
[18:44] <adammw111> I know, but thought I would check.
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[18:45] <Jimmy06> if i add the delay will it hold up the booting sequance or is that ok ?
[18:45] <Draylor> hah, i like the thinking adammw111
[18:45] <mervaka> dirty_d: shall we try dropping the frequency then?
[18:45] <Draylor> if the sensible ones dont work try weird stuff just incase :D
[18:45] <ssta> Jimmy06: it won't hold up the boot sequence if you're running it via a cron @reboot
[18:45] <mervaka> at the expense of resolution
[18:45] <dirty_d> mervaka, doin it now
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[18:45] <Jimmy06> ok ill give it ago
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[18:45] <adammw111> Problem is installing klogd takes too long, it dies before I can get it installed
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[18:45] <adammw111> Driving me crazy.
[18:46] <sako> Nice choice Reg!
[18:46] <bnmorgan> reminder please where to add vncserver :1 -geometry 1024x768 -depth 24 to autorun
[18:46] <ssta> Jimmy06: eg: I use cron @reboot to login as me, starx and run synergyc...works fine
[18:46] <adammw111> I just sent an email, but do you guys know if RS sell Verified Power Supplies? (ie. power supplies guaranteed to work?)
[18:46] <yggdrasil> bnmorgan: i switched off of xtightvnserver and am using x11vnc
[18:46] <ReggieUK> also check /var/log/messages?
[18:46] <bnmorgan> yggdrasil: why
[18:47] <Draylor> RS have uk/euro usb power supplies that'll do far more than a pi requires - yeah
[18:47] <Jimmy06> All im doing is trying to see how fast the system can restart with different SD Cards :P
[18:47] <melodic> I have a RS power supply and its rated 5V @ 1200mAh
[18:47] <ReggieUK> adammw111, not sure if they're verified but my dad got one from rs uk and it was sent with a euro adapter and was sitting at 4.75v
[18:47] <yggdrasil> i coulnt get it to work
[18:47] <ReggieUK> not good
[18:47] <adammw111> Any chance of AU supplies, or would I need an adapter?
[18:47] <melodic> It also has a little RS sticker on it
[18:47] <yggdrasil> hmm
[18:48] <ssta> workd fine for me powered from teh USB socket on my TV. Not recommended maybe, but works fine
[18:48] <yggdrasil> what application does everyone use to play video ?
[18:48] <ReggieUK> I haven't even bothered to play video on mine
[18:48] <adammw111> yggdrasil: I think the only two accelerated ones are omxplayer and XBMC.
[18:48] <yggdrasil> ok thanks
[18:48] <yggdrasil> tha woudl explain it
[18:48] <Jimmy06> nope that didnt fix it :P lets try a 60's sleep lol
[18:49] <adammw111> XBMC is a pain to install - much easier to get the whole openelec or similar distro, whereas omxplayer is ok but it's very raw like ffplay and doesn't have very good seeking.
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[18:50] <dirty_d> mervaka, i think i found the problem. *(pwm + port) = value & ~0x400 ;
[18:50] <adammw111> Well my Samsung power supply is rated at 5V @ 1A so if we're going off labels then mine should be fine too
[18:50] <dirty_d> mervaka, tahts what pwmWrite does, i dont think thats wht we want
[18:50] <mervaka> i'm trying to correlate the registers in the manual to wiringpi
[18:50] <mervaka> hmm?
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[18:51] <mervaka> that is strange
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[18:52] <yggdrasil> i had installed vlc but it was palying everything pretty poorly
[18:53] <mervaka> dirty_d: i'm sure gordonDrogon wouldnt have put that in without reason. best to ask him when he's around
[18:53] <Jimmy06> ssta, that doesnt help the situation either
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[18:53] <dirty_d> mervaka, succeed!
[18:53] <mervaka> really?
[18:53] <dirty_d> take out the & ~400
[18:53] * mervaka ganders
[18:53] <dirty_d> thats because it was hardcoded to a range of 1024
[18:53] <mervaka> ah!
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[18:53] <dirty_d> although it doesnt quite make sense to me
[18:53] <mervaka> no
[18:54] <dirty_d> it should be & 0x400
[18:54] <mervaka> i'd have expected a modulus or something
[18:54] <yggdrasil> ok, i have succesfully played my fisrt video :)
[18:54] <mervaka> that just pulls out bit 3
[18:54] <ssta> Jimmy06: what exactly is the situation? I can't help feeling that you're probably trying to fix something that's the wrong solution in the first place...
[18:54] <mervaka> and zeroes it
[18:54] <mervaka> wierd..
[18:54] <dirty_d> i think the intent there was to limit hte values to under 1024
[18:54] <adammw111> yggdrasil: VLC is not hardware accelearted so the CPU has to do all the work in decoding and rendering. omxplayer uses the OpenMAX to do some of the heavy lifting, and ffmpeg for the rest.
[18:54] <Jimmy06> im using this END=$(date +%s) in a cron script
[18:54] <dirty_d> but thats the wrong way to do it
[18:55] <dirty_d> mervaka, i just changed it to *(pwm + port) = value; and all is well
[18:57] <Jimmy06> so ssta im outputting that varable $END to a file and going to restart it again
[18:57] <mervaka> dirty_d: same
[18:57] <Jimmy06> with a 60's sleep
[18:57] <dirty_d> mervaka, changed it back to 50Hz everythings perfect
[18:57] <dirty_d> 1200 is full left 2400 full right
[18:57] <ssta> Jimmy06: and this has to start running at boot?
[18:57] <mervaka> dirty_d: although i've just proven that my heath robinson arrangement is telling me lies
[18:57] <dirty_d> mervaka, whats that mean
[18:57] <mervaka> dirty_d: the linein on my other pc is a lot better
[18:57] <Jimmy06> ssta, Its a script to see how fast it reboots
[18:57] <dirty_d> ahh
[18:57] <Jimmy06> so yeah
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[18:57] <ssta> Jimmy06: ah. Get a stopwatch
[18:58] <dirty_d> yea my signal from my soundcard is a perfect square wave, even out of the audio jack on the pi
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[18:58] <ssta> Jimmy06: asking a system without a RTC that's in the midst of booting to time itself is going to be fraught with problems
[18:58] <Jimmy06> yeah not gonna be useful at all
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[18:58] <Jimmy06> im not asking it to times itsseld
[18:58] <Jimmy06> itsself
[18:58] <Jimmy06> just asking it what the time is
[18:59] <yggdrasil> how do you controll omx player ?
[18:59] <Jimmy06> remember that this is apparantly set when cron runs
[18:59] <dirty_d> yggdrasil, which control?
[18:59] <yggdrasil> volume
[18:59] <mervaka> dirty_d: about to test actual servo
[18:59] <dirty_d> yggdrasil, +/- keys, i added those a few weeks ago
[18:59] <Jimmy06> yeah its timestamp then is 74
[18:59] <Jimmy06> Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:01:14 GMT
[19:00] <dirty_d> yggdrasil, + as in shift + =
[19:00] <Jimmy06> huh so maybe i can get my result there anyway
[19:00] <Jimmy06> its been up 14's
[19:00] <Jimmy06> lol
[19:00] <dirty_d> mervaka, cool
[19:00] <yggdrasil> dirty_d you compiled up omxplayer ?
[19:00] <yggdrasil> nice thank you
[19:01] <dirty_d> yggdrasil, o its not mine u just made a patch that went into the official git
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[19:01] <Jimmy06> just shows that the sleep is ignored
[19:01] <bnmorgan> so is halt the correct way to shutdown before pulling the power?
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[19:02] <Jimmy06> probably need && not ;
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[19:03] <Kakalim> Hello, i got my new Raspberry today and now im useing Arch Linux... But now i have one question.. I want to use the LightManager von jbmedia... This Device needs a special Windows Programm to start... Is there any method to start a windows programm in my raspberry? Or a Completely windows (xp) ?
[19:03] <ssta> Kakalim: umm, trying to run wondows on ARM is going to be...tricky
[19:04] <mjr> Kakalim, forget it
[19:04] <Kakalim> ACtually I don't want to run windows on such a nice device like the raspberry... but i need this programm :D
[19:04] <dirty_d> Kakalim, whats the program do?
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[19:05] <chancellorsmith> this works fine aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav ??? but all other wav files just hang - any ideas People of the Pi ?
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[19:05] <dirty_d> the speed at which my packages are ariving, is too damn low!
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[19:05] <Jimmy06> ssta im getting furturth using && instead of ; because ; would just launch the rest of the cron line instantly "Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:12:06 GMT" Its still wrong thouh but im getting somewhere lol
[19:05] <Tenchworks> you could try to see if wine works, running the program through that
[19:05] <chancellorsmith> Arch, updated system - latest fw??? external analog sound, this in rc.local modprobe snd_bcm2835 and amixer cset numid=3 1
[19:06] <chancellorsmith> is it just v fussy about WAV files ?
[19:06] <Kakalim> The LightManager is a device for controll my electric switches via radio... And this Programm (LightMan Studio) starts a Webserver on the Lightmanager... The problem is the Programm has to start for the webserver...
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[19:06] <dirty_d> Tenchworks, that wont work, since the windows app is x86
[19:06] <Tenchworks> was thinking taht
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[19:06] <dirty_d> Kakalim, mybe theres an alternative
[19:06] <Tenchworks> 2 different architetures >.>
[19:07] <dirty_d> Kakalim, is this thing usb?
[19:07] <Kakalim> Jup
[19:07] <Kakalim> Power over usb
[19:07] <dirty_d> i bet someone can make a driver for it
[19:07] <mervaka> dirty_d: perfect servo motion
[19:07] <mervaka> seemingly
[19:07] <dirty_d> i bet its a very simple device, it just controls switches after all right?
[19:07] <dirty_d> mervaka, awesome
[19:07] <ssta> Kakalim: you could *try* playing with qemu, but I'd be surprised if you got very far
[19:08] <mervaka> dirty_d: i'll write some more code that translates to a more practical scale
[19:08] <Kakalim> The think could work without this programm... But without it I can not start the webserver...
[19:08] <dirty_d> mervaka, have it controled via mouse
[19:08] <dirty_d> x/y
[19:08] <ReggieUK> use wireshark to sniff the traffic from the lightmanager app. to the lightmanager webserver then recreate that from the pi/
[19:08] <ReggieUK> ?
[19:08] <mervaka> dirty_d: i already have code that receives joystick data via an ip network :>
[19:08] <mervaka> got a steering wheel sitting here waiting
[19:08] <dirty_d> mervaka, oh right, yea
[19:09] <dirty_d> mervaka, ho far do you think wifi range is in clear sight?
[19:09] <Kakalim> So, it won't be easy?
[19:09] <mervaka> dirty_d: depends on a lot of things
[19:09] <mervaka> dirty_d: also, the end goal is using a mobile broadband dongle
[19:09] <dirty_d> Kakalim, not easy
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[19:09] <dirty_d> neat
[19:09] <mervaka> dirty_d: with webcam link back
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[19:11] <dirty_d> tahts awesome
[19:11] <dirty_d> i cant wait to get this air cannon built
[19:11] <dirty_d> its going to be epic
[19:11] <mervaka> havent started on the webcam link yet
[19:11] <mervaka> air cannon? :o
[19:12] <dirty_d> hah, yea
[19:12] <mervaka> go on
[19:12] <dirty_d> me and my buddy are building a big air cannon
[19:12] <bnmorgan> do you have to enable hdmi or something in lxde
[19:12] <dirty_d> 5 foot 4" air chamber and same for barrel
[19:12] <dirty_d> 2" valve and piping
[19:12] <mervaka> dirty_d: in fact, sod the small steps, i'm coding this straight into my program :D
[19:12] <mervaka> nice
[19:12] <dirty_d> which small steps
[19:12] <ReggieUK> mind your language please mervaka!
[19:13] <mervaka> ?
[19:13] <chaoshax> Urgh, I think something bad happened.
[19:13] <chaoshax> http://i.imgur.com/6FoAI.png
[19:13] <mervaka> i didnt even swear
[19:13] <mervaka> :<
[19:13] <bnmorgan> do you have to enable hdmi or something in lxde
[19:13] <dirty_d> i was confused too
[19:13] <dirty_d> then i was looking at that acronym and trying to find a swear in it
[19:14] <ReggieUK> it's not an acronym
[19:14] <dirty_d> the air cannon is going to shoot a 24" 5/8" steel rod, lol
[19:14] <dirty_d> with a discarding sabot
[19:14] <dirty_d> why?
[19:14] <dirty_d> because we can
[19:14] <dirty_d> lol
[19:15] <bnmorgan> you're not going to get very much velocity out of that.
[19:15] <dirty_d> bnmorgan, calculated 377 ft/s
[19:15] <adammw111> chaoshax: is that a screenshot or a photo?
[19:15] <dirty_d> well probably get around 300
[19:15] <dirty_d> bnmorgan, but why do you say that
[19:15] <chaoshax> adammw111, Using a capture card
[19:15] <chaoshax> So umm a screenshot
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[19:16] <adammw111> ah i get it, gonna say...
[19:16] <bnmorgan> because you have 100psi at static, 50psi at muzzle since you have the same res and barrel volume.
[19:16] <dirty_d> bnmorgan, yup
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[19:16] <bnmorgan> for a 5/8" projectile, you have far far far far too much barrel volume.
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[19:16] <dirty_d> bnmorgan, so around 1000 pounds of force at the breach and 500 at the muzzle...
[19:16] <dirty_d> lol
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[19:16] <chancellorsmith> so the test wav is Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono??? plays fine - repeatable??? but other wav files hang the system !
[19:16] <dirty_d> on a 2 pound projectile over 5 feet of barrel
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[19:17] <bnmorgan> what material for bbl and res
[19:17] <dirty_d> sch40 pcv
[19:17] <dirty_d> 4"
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[19:17] <dirty_d> rated for 220psi
[19:18] <bnmorgan> meh. discussion fo ranother chan.
[19:18] <bnmorgan> i actually need pi help atm.
[19:18] <dirty_d> not if i make a ballistic solution computer with an rpi...
[19:18] <dirty_d> lol
[19:18] <bnmorgan> i'm getting no hdmi signal out of pi in the desktop env.
[19:19] <bnmorgan> or terminal
[19:19] <bnmorgan> getting it from the comp. what am i doing wrong?
[19:19] <dirty_d> bnmorgan, did you set the hdmi mode in config.txt?
[19:19] <bnmorgan> probably not. directions?
[19:19] <dirty_d> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[19:20] <dirty_d> the file is in the fat32 partition
[19:20] <bnmorgan> ty
[19:20] <dirty_d> no problem
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[19:23] <ReggieUK> bnmorgan, are you aware of the troubleshooting section on teh wiki?
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[19:23] <adammw111> is there any of the pins on the pi that you can short to trigger a reset
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[19:24] <ReggieUK> you could setup gpio-keys and a handler to capture a button press and use it as a reset button of sorts
[19:25] <adammw111> I meant more in hardware, so I can reset easier when it dies.
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[19:25] <IT_Sean> adammw111: Out of the box, no.
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[19:25] <IT_Sean> You would have to set something up.
[19:25] <ReggieUK> yeah, it's called a switch adammw111 :D
[19:25] <IT_Sean> You COULD put a toggle switch on the power lead
[19:25] <dirty_d> adammw111, youd have to rig up a switch on the input power or something
[19:25] <IT_Sean> and use it to tnterrupt the hot leg
[19:25] <dirty_d> a mosfet or something
[19:26] <Gadgetoid> adammw111: add panic=10 to your cmdline.txt and read my guide on setting up watchdog
[19:26] <dirty_d> adammw111, you want like a watchdog timer?
[19:26] <chaoshax> dirty_d, is a physical switch too dirty?
[19:26] <ReggieUK> I think he wants a physical one for when the pi dies completely
[19:26] <dirty_d> chaoshax, not if its a manual shut off
[19:26] <Gadgetoid> Although this is written for uuuubuntoo: http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/post/001-who-watches-the-watcher
[19:26] <dirty_d> but for something automatic a transistor is easier and better
[19:26] <IT_Sean> If you want a physical switch, it would have to be on the power input
[19:27] <Gadgetoid> The Pi has to die pretty hard for panic or watchdog not to sort it out
[19:27] <ReggieUK> I've never really looked into it, good to know though Gadgetoid
[19:27] <bnmorgan> reggie: no? there are too many wikis nd forums and stuff to know what to look for where.
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[19:28] <Gadgetoid> I'd still like a physical switch myself though, a little power breakout for the Pi which includes a pushbutton to break the power connection and includes micro-usb, usb and a barrel connector would be awesome
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[19:28] <Gadgetoid> A voltage reg would be handy on that, too... hmmm... might have to make myself one
[19:28] <adammw111> physical switch will be the easiest. i was just thinking if there's a reset pin like on old PCs.
[19:28] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wiki-2
[19:28] <dirty_d> adammw111, you could have a userspace program toggle a gpio pin at some certain frequency to keep a capacitor charged at a certain voltage, then an analog circuit could detect when that voltage is out of range and disconnect the power
[19:28] <ReggieUK> click on the elinux wiki link
[19:28] <Gadgetoid> adammw111: it'd be so easy to build a power breakout on a breadboard
[19:29] <adammw111> that's what i'm attempting as we speak, just gotta see if I have the components
[19:30] <Gadgetoid> adammw111: doesn't take much, couple of caps, momentary switch, high current voltage regulator, a cable to chop the end off and a barrel connector so you can use a non-crappy power supply
[19:30] <Gadgetoid> Highly tempted to do it myself, but I'd have to buy most of that stuff first
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[19:31] <mervaka> well
[19:31] <bnmorgan> reggie: thank you. instructions followed for no hdmi
[19:31] <mervaka> if you dont have a beefy enough regulator, step a smaller one up with a transistor
[19:31] <bnmorgan> going back to the living room to try it now
[19:31] <mervaka> though you'd lose 0.7v
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[19:31] <bnmorgan> from ssh what's the right way to shutdown?
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[19:32] <Simon-> 18:23:15 <+adammw111> I meant more in hardware, so I can reset easier when it dies.
[19:32] <Gadgetoid> mervaka: my regulators are pretty naff, you can boost the current with a transistor at the cost of voltage!?
[19:32] <Simon-> adammw111: there's a watchdog, use that
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[19:32] <mervaka> Gadgetoid: across the transistor
[19:32] <Simon-> there are various watchdog daemon options like ensuring there is some network activity (that one is fun if you shutdown the only PC on the network and the server then kills itself)
[19:33] <mervaka> silicon junctions drop about 0.7v
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[19:33] <mervaka> a transistor is basically a current amplifier
[19:33] <mervaka> CCCS
[19:33] <mervaka> at least a bipolar is
[19:34] <mervaka> FETs are VCCS
[19:34] <Gadgetoid> So much I don't yet understand :D
[19:34] <mervaka> current controlled current source
[19:34] <mervaka> and voltage controlled current source
[19:34] <Jimmy06> It took 26 seconds
[19:34] <Jimmy06> yay ok that works lol
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[19:35] <adammw111> ~confused~
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[19:37] <IT_Sean> http://www.bitwizard.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Reducing_power_consumption_of_a_raspberry_Pi <----------------------- Clicky
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[19:38] <adammw111> TP1-TP2 is saying 6.2-6.3V before it dies, after it dies it says 6.9-7.0V. Any way of checking my multimeter is correct with household items?
[19:38] <ReggieUK> wow
[19:38] <ReggieUK> that's bad
[19:38] <dirty_d> hmm
[19:38] <ReggieUK> > 5.25v has the potential to kill
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[19:39] <adammw111> that's why I'm expecting and hoping that it's my multimeter that can't count.
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[19:40] <dirty_d> adammw111, measure your computers power supply, a battery etc
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[19:40] <adammw111> with a load or directly (short circuit)? I don't really want to break anything...
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[19:41] <dirty_d> you wont break anything measuring voltage
[19:41] <dirty_d> just measure an unused plug
[19:41] <dirty_d> you should get 5v or 12v etc
[19:41] <dirty_d> or close to it
[19:41] <dirty_d> if you get 17v or 8v something is wrong with your meter
[19:41] <adammw111> As in off the motherboard / PSU of a tower PC? I've only got laptops lying around here.
[19:42] <dirty_d> oh, you could measure the voltage of a laptoip battery
[19:42] <dirty_d> you have no AA or AAA batteries around?
[19:42] <dirty_d> alakaline should be around 1.5v
[19:42] <mervaka> well the molex connector of a pc should have pretty strict voltage levels, a good test
[19:43] <adammw111> Must be the meter - AAA battery is 2.36V. Lol
[19:43] <mervaka> lol
[19:43] <dirty_d> lol
[19:43] <dirty_d> adammw111, maybe it just needs a new battery
[19:43] <mervaka> time for a new one?
[19:43] <adammw111> I thought voltage sensing was battery independent...
[19:44] <adammw111> Gotta go look for one, I guess no harm in trying
[19:44] <dirty_d> yo dawg i heard you like batteries, so heres a bettery so you can measure the voltage of a battery while youre trying to see if youre battery is good whule you measure the battery
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[19:45] <Foxhoundz> Guys
[19:45] <Foxhoundz> I need help.
[19:45] <dirty_d> this sounds bad
[19:46] <Foxhoundz> Is it possible to share an internet connection between my Pi and Windows 7?
[19:46] <Foxhoundz> I can't get to my Router from this room
[19:46] <Foxhoundz> and the Pi need to be here
[19:46] <dirty_d> Foxhoundz, if you have 2 ethernet cards
[19:46] <Foxhoundz> Well
[19:46] <chaoshax> Just get a switch,
[19:46] <Foxhoundz> I'm using a Wireless NIC with the laptop
[19:47] <chaoshax> If that laptop has a ethernet card you could bridge.
[19:47] <dirty_d> you could use the ethernet of the laptop to share with then
[19:47] <Foxhoundz> Yes
[19:47] <Foxhoundz> that is what I'm trying to do
[19:48] <chaoshax> Just go into network connections then bridge it.
[19:48] <dirty_d> i only know how in linux
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[19:50] <adammw111> another (probably just as flat) battery shows TP1-TP2 as 5.5V and a 1.5V battery as 2.17V... getting closer...
[19:50] <chaoshax> Change the batteries?
[19:51] <chaoshax> Usually they are just D type batteries.
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[19:52] <adammw111> it's a 9V in mine, looking for a 9V battery in my house is just as hard as finding a loch ness monster
[19:52] <dirty_d> mines 9v
[19:52] <dirty_d> the one before was this little 12V batter you had to buy from radioshack for $12
[19:52] <dirty_d> adammw111, smoke detector
[19:52] <dirty_d> lol
[19:52] <Jimmy06> all electric :P
[19:53] <chaoshax> That's taking it too far :D
[19:53] <dirty_d> mine are 120v + 9v
[19:54] <CommanderKern> hello everyone
[19:54] <dirty_d> hello
[19:54] <CommanderKern> i was just about to write the image to the sd card
[19:54] <CommanderKern> but then i thougt
[19:54] <adammw111> just found my old PSP charger, 5V 2000mA. Would that work better? Hard part is finding a socket for the plug...
[19:54] <CommanderKern> which filesystem should i use on the card
[19:54] <adammw111> (for the Pi not the multimeter lol)
[19:54] <chaoshax> Commander1024, It doesn't matter.
[19:55] <chaoshax> I think the image is ext4
[19:55] <CommanderKern> should i patition the card and divide into /home and /root
[19:55] <dirty_d> Commander1024, the fs and stuff is already part of the image
[19:55] <CommanderKern> kk
[19:55] <dirty_d> the image pretty much IS the card
[19:55] <CommanderKern> but it would't hurt to format the sd card to a ext3 fs
[19:55] <chaoshax> No but no need
[19:55] <dirty_d> it would do no good
[19:55] <CommanderKern> the image is 2G right
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[19:56] <CommanderKern> kk
[19:56] <CommanderKern> my card is 16G
[19:56] <chaoshax> Remember to expand it.
[19:57] <CommanderKern> or ext4
[19:57] <CommanderKern> so how did ypou guys do it
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[19:57] <CommanderKern> just copy the image to the card
[19:57] <CommanderKern> but where is my ~ dir located then
[19:57] <gwalters> quick question for you guys, my google-foo is failing... what's the name of the openelec port that was done specifically for pi? It was redelec or something
[19:57] <CommanderKern> or is it possible to divide into / and ~
[19:58] <adammw111> Cool, Ok so now I got my multimeter reading new AAA battery as 1.6V (unloaded)
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[19:59] <chaoshax> Wait, is the swap default unused in the raspbian image?
[19:59] <chaoshax> Because it's commented out in /etc/fstab
[19:59] <adammw111> USB power is 4.82V, TP1-TP2 is 4.3ish V
[19:59] <adammw111> I guess there's the problem
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[20:00] <SSilver2k2> did someone msg me earlier?
[20:00] <SSilver2k2> i got a notice but cant find it
[20:01] <adammw111> interestingly, after it crashes it goes back to 4.7V on TP1-TP2, is that due to the power supply no longer being loaded?
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[20:04] <ReggieUK> 4.3 is too low
[20:04] <ReggieUK> SSilver2k2, it might've responded to me mentioning that you got advmame running
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[20:06] <CommanderKern> thx
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[20:06] <adammw111> Any advice trying to hook into a 4mm power plug without the proper socket? Don't bother? Paperclips? Something intelligent?
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[20:07] <chaoshax> adammw111, Do it properly, otherwise you might touch the wrong ping and smoke.
[20:08] <chaoshax> Done stupid things like that before.
[20:08] <SSilver2k2> ReggieUK: ahhh that would be it :)
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[20:08] <SSilver2k2> and now MESS
[20:08] <Tenchworks> hehe
[20:09] <Tenchworks> watching ascii starwars on my RPi
[20:09] <SSilver2k2> genesis gamegear nes gameboy
[20:09] <Tenchworks> i think that will be what's in projector at my local lan party tonight
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[20:09] <umami_> what's the state fo emulation right now? NES works, probably not SNES or greater?
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[20:10] <gordonDrogon> What Ho Pi people!
[20:11] <chaoshax> Pip pip
[20:11] <adammw111> What's like the minimum (measured not rated) voltage for a stable rpi? It's at about 4.48 - 4.5ish V and still turning off. P.S. yes i took chaoshax's advice and this is just standard USB chargers.
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[20:11] <Jimmy06> would 130 sec's seem right for rebooting Pi Debian and starting backup and setting the time
[20:12] <dirty_d> i need to figure out thse kernel panics
[20:12] <chaoshax> adammw111, You mean input voltage?
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> 130 secs seems a bit long...
[20:12] <adammw111> PS I got dosbox working on Raspbian ok (didn't try audio though, and exiting is painful)
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> I'll time mine..
[20:12] <adammw111> TP1-TP2 voltage
[20:12] <Jimmy06> doesnt seem like that long to me :P
[20:12] <adammw111> I'd assume input voltage is slightly higher due to F3
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[20:13] <Joshun> hi
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[20:13] <umami_> Hello
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[20:13] <Joshun> do any of you guys know how to get the raspi's sound to work with sdl
[20:13] <Joshun> running supertux gives 'there is no soundcard'
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[20:13] <Joshun> the modules are loaded and aplay plays sound correctly
[20:14] <adammw111> (which by the way is about 1.1-1.2 ohms)
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> reboot time: 19:11:00 -> ssh'd in & typing date: 19:12:04
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> so about a minute is right.
[20:14] <Joshun> os is debian stable btw
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, did you modprobe the sound module?
[20:14] <chaoshax> adammw111,It should be 4.75
[20:14] <chaoshax> at leas.t
[20:14] <mervaka> aha
[20:14] <chaoshax> On the 5v line.
[20:15] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - yes, i did, even added it to /etc/modules
[20:15] <Joshun> aplay works fine
[20:15] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: dirty_d solved the PWM quandry
[20:15] <Joshun> just sdl doesn't
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, Hm. I've run Doom which uses SDL and I got sound out of it...
[20:15] <adammw111> any idea why it'd be so low? or how i could get it higher? going to test without peripherals but don't think it makes much of a difference...
[20:15] <Joshun> are you running squeeze or wheezy
[20:15] <chaoshax> adammw111, What power supply is it?
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> a bit worrying as I'm looking to add sound into my own SDL appllicaiotn..
[20:15] <Joshun> and its hdmi sound
[20:15] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: was just wondering why the data was being masked with ~0x400
[20:15] <dirty_d> adammw111, mayeb you could use a lm7805 and a higher voltage source
[20:16] <chaoshax> adammw111, Get a multi meter out and measure current through it.
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[20:16] <Joshun> does anybody know if sound is better supported in wheezy
[20:16] <adammw111> have previously, about 500-600mA
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[20:16] <Gadget-Mac> Evening all
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, 0x400 is 1024 - that's the top-limit I have in my code ...
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[20:17] <adammw111> Tried both an Apple iPod 1A USB Charger and Samsung 1A USB charger, even different microUSB Cables. So tiring but at least I'm getting closer to the reason.
[20:17] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: ah ok
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I just put a new battery in my multimeter - let me check my Pi's voltages..
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> 4.91v - Pi fed from LOGIC powered hub...
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[20:18] <adammw111> I would have thought if this was going to be going to kids around the world, it would have be designed a bit more resiliant to different power supplies.
[20:18] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, i think you meant & 0x400 not & ~0x400
[20:19] <dirty_d> or no?
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> 4.82 - Pi fed from 700mA Jawbone charger.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> 4.82 - Pi fed from notebook (in suspnd mode)
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> *(pwm + port) = value & ~0x400 ;
[20:20] <dirty_d> & 0x4FF
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> you know what...
[20:21] <dirty_d> 1024 & ~0x400 will be 0
[20:21] <mervaka> dirty_d: dont forget the ~ inverts
[20:21] <dirty_d> yea
[20:21] <dirty_d> oops not 0x4ff
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> yes, 1024 should be 0
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> to make it limit to 1023. The range is 0-1023
[20:22] <mervaka> ah ok
[20:22] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, but 1024 would be 100% duty cycle no?
[20:22] <dirty_d> oh ok
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, 1023 is 100% duty.
[20:22] <dirty_d> yea
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> however....
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> I more or less just copied the code from Dom/Gert...
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> *(pwm + PWM0_RANGE) = 0x400 ;
[20:23] <dirty_d> yea
[20:23] <dirty_d> then 1024 is 100%
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if the range register ought to be 0x3ff ...
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[20:23] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, it should be configurable to get the frequency you want
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a 'scope, so can't really see what's happening.
[20:23] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: we're using soundcards
[20:23] <mervaka> and xoscope
[20:23] <mervaka> and i found a windows equivalent too
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> the frequency is set to 600KHz.
[20:24] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, you need to put the PWM module in MS mode to be able to have sane freq and duty cycle control
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> *(clk + PWMCLK_DIV) = 0x5A000000 | (32<<12) ; // set pwm div to 32 (19.2/3 = 600KHz)
[20:24] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, that the counter freq, not the pwm period freq
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> I have not read the manual at this point - just copied code...
[20:24] <mervaka> ah
[20:24] <dirty_d> yea
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> however it seems to work :)
[20:25] <dirty_d> i might throw some code together for fine grained pwm control
[20:25] <mervaka> in MS mode its like any other pwm controller
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[20:25] <dirty_d> yea
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> I have controlled LEDs and a motor....
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[20:25] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: those are much less fussy :)
[20:25] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, the freq is too high in that mode though for good motor control
[20:25] <dirty_d> its going to use the highest posible freq and the desired duty cycle
[20:26] <dirty_d> for motor control you dont really want more than 20KHz
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> the motor seemed happy...
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[20:26] <dirty_d> the transistor was probably dissipating a lot of heat switching at such a high speed though
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> let me see what I can find in the peripherals manual, but I think the whole clock section is missing.
[20:27] <dirty_d> at 50% duty cycle with a 600kHz timer clock the PWM freq is going to be 300kHz
[20:27] <mervaka> i think you're right.
[20:27] <dirty_d> in that default mode
[20:27] <mervaka> i couldnt see anything on the clocks
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[20:28] <mervaka> only the pwm module itself
[20:28] <wcarson> well that seems rude.
[20:28] <dirty_d> there is a section for clocks, but no description of PLLA, PLLB, or PLLC
[20:28] <dirty_d> OSC is 19.2MHz
[20:28] <dirty_d> you can see it on the bottom of the pcb
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[20:29] <Foxhoundz> GUys
[20:29] <Foxhoundz> I have another problem
[20:30] <Foxhoundz> I'm trying to configure this wireless USB adapter to work with the Pi
[20:30] <Foxhoundz> whenever I try to connect using iwconfig
[20:30] <Foxhoundz> I get this error --> set failed on device wlan0 operation not permitted
[20:30] <dirty_d> mervaka, i just raelized that MS mode stands for mark space, lol
[20:30] <mervaka> yeah
[20:30] <mervaka> ive been using that terminology here too
[20:30] <mervaka> i assumed you were too lol
[20:31] <dirty_d> i didnt know what it stood for i just saw it in the datasheet
[20:31] <mervaka> yeah
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[20:31] <mervaka> though "mark space ratio" is a bit of a misnomer, as we usually talk in terms of time, not ratio
[20:31] <chancellorsmith> this works fine aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav ??? but all other wav files just hang the system - any ideas?
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[20:32] <Jimmy06> ok so that exmplains it a little
[20:32] <Jimmy06> when ntp first syncs i get this time
[20:32] <Jimmy06> Sat Jun 30 15:12:07 BST 2012
[20:32] <dirty_d> i think im finally going to try to fly my quadcopter tonight
[20:33] <mervaka> awesome :)
[20:33] <mervaka> i still need to buy one
[20:33] <mervaka> when money allows..
[20:33] <dirty_d> i built mine
[20:33] <mervaka> but i want a big one. there's money to be made.
[20:33] <dirty_d> did i show you the video of mine
[20:33] <dirty_d> ?
[20:33] <mervaka> not yet :)
[20:33] <dirty_d> its big
[20:33] <mervaka> quadcopter rental is a gap in the market
[20:33] <dirty_d> about 15 pounds
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[20:34] <mervaka> film companies want cheap aerial shots
[20:34] <mervaka> quadcopters are a very good platform
[20:34] <dirty_d> has 4 1800W motors
[20:34] <mervaka> lol
[20:34] <mervaka> and a car battery? :p
[20:34] <dirty_d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBCbTRqPMTY
[20:34] <dirty_d> nah 4 5Ah 14.8 lipos
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, it's further complicated by the BMC chip having a PWM mode that smooths out the bumps in the overall waveform too.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> which I think is the default, rather than a pure sliding ________|----------- type thing.
[20:35] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, right yea
[20:36] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: its good enough for servo control now
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[20:36] <dirty_d> its perfect
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> what did you set the frequency to in the end? (and how?)
[20:36] <mervaka> ya
[20:36] <mervaka> 50Hz
[20:36] <mervaka> changed the range
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[20:36] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, changed PWM clock to 1.2MHz and range to 24000
[20:36] <mervaka> dirty_d changed the frequency too, which gives finer control
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> OK.
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[20:37] <mervaka> the counter counts up at 1.2MHz now
[20:37] <dirty_d> so then DATA from 1200 to 2400 controls the 1-2ms servo pulse
[20:37] <mervaka> up to RANGE
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> so set the divide to 16?
[20:37] <mervaka> yup
[20:37] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, yea
[20:37] <mervaka> and the mark is set by DATA
[20:37] <mervaka> and the space is set to RANGE-DATA
[20:38] <mervaka> if that makes sense?
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> did you change the mode to MSEN mode?
[20:38] <mervaka> i'm crap at explainations
[20:38] <mervaka> yes
[20:38] <mervaka> MS mode
[20:38] <mervaka> gives a constant frequency
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> right. ok. I'm almost tempted to go & get one of those little 4-channel scopes...
[20:38] <mervaka> get a tenma :)
[20:39] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, i changed the mode with the PWM0_MS_MODE
[20:39] <mervaka> my uni lecturers beat the idea of bitscopes out of me
[20:39] <dirty_d> same for PWM1
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/dso-quad-pocketsized-digital-oscilloscope-p-920.html
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> tenma?
[20:40] <mervaka> yeah
[20:40] <dirty_d> i wanna get that 100MHz rigol
[20:40] <mervaka> good spec bench DSO
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> don't have much toy money right now though.
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> just bought some posh digital thermometers for the kitchen...
[20:41] <mervaka> cool
[20:41] <mervaka> well the pwm frequency in MS mode now is just pwmclock/range
[20:41] * gordonDrogon nods.
[20:42] <mervaka> etc :)
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> not sure I want to change the range in wiringPi now though, but then again, I suspect the number people using it can be counted on the thumbs of one hand, but you never know...
[20:42] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: by the way, my friend Toby Parkin said you may be popping down cornwall way to say hello one day? :)
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[20:43] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, shouldnt the freq nad stuff be configurable?
[20:43] <adammw111> Just been having a go at an ATX power supply, multimeter reads 5.0 - 5.1 V off it, is that ok to use on the Pi or could I somehow blow it up?
[20:43] <dirty_d> or can you not do that in wiring?
[20:43] <mervaka> maybe it should be a separate project?
[20:43] <mervaka> at least for now
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, it's not configurable on an arduino unless you poke the hardware - that's not to say it should be like that on the Pi, however..
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, Ah, you know Toby??? Hm. He said he'd let me know when the Pi Jam was happening - has it happened?
[20:44] <mervaka> yeah, i'm a participant of his little rpi meets
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> trivial to add in a new function to fiddle with the freq.
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, well he's been kinda quiet - I suspect a bit put-out as I got my pi weeks before he did ;-)
[20:45] <mervaka> was showing off my currentcost data grapher to the education bigwigs for him
[20:45] <mervaka> (on a rpi ofc)
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> :)
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> well the innovations centre (where I guess you hold the meetings?) is only about 2 hours away...
[20:45] <mervaka> also managed to burn the carpet in the process, as my current sink were two very large stage lamps
[20:45] <mervaka> :D
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> woops!
[20:46] <mervaka> but hey, its only camborne college..
[20:46] <mervaka> the rear end of cornwall (yey no explicatives!)
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I installed some wireless kit at the top of the tower there onceuponatime...
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> it's probably still there.
[20:47] <mervaka> yeah, he said you were involved in all that stuff :)
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> do you ever drive past 7 milestone garage going down to St. Agness?
[20:47] <mervaka> uh, sometimes
[20:47] <mervaka> i live in truro myself
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> look on-top ...
[20:48] <mervaka> dont often go aggey
[20:48] <mervaka> ok will do
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> the stull I hauled up there is still mostly there :)
[20:48] <mervaka> hehe
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> *stuff
[20:48] <Jimmy06> whys the ntp time now 4 hours out
[20:48] <mervaka> Jimmy06: timezone?
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> your timezone is wrong?
[20:48] <Jimmy06> BST
[20:48] <Jimmy06> pi@raspberrypi:~$ date
[20:48] <Jimmy06> Sat Jun 30 15:12:57 BST 2012
[20:48] <mervaka> hmm
[20:48] <mervaka> werd
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[20:49] <Billiard> is this rgb gradient square on boot part of the hardware or just the arch linux image doing sill things?
[20:49] <Jimmy06> takes like 20 mins to get it correct
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> Billiard, part of the GPU bootloader.
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> Jimmy06, what distro?
[20:49] <Jimmy06> Debian
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[20:49] <Jimmy06> squeeze
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> Jimmy06, ok - odd!
[20:50] <Jimmy06> 3.1.9+
[20:50] <Jimmy06> if that means anything
[20:50] <Jimmy06> :P
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> not really relevant to ntp.
[20:50] <Jimmy06> i know lol
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> is /etc/ntp.conf full of lines like: server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
[20:51] <Jimmy06> yep
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[20:51] <Jimmy06> i even tried the uk pool
[20:51] <adammw111> sorry to ask twice but I just want to test it out and I am way too impatient - ATX +5V ok for Pi or not?
[20:51] <Jimmy06> from ntp.org
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> it's odd then - as ntp ought to force the time set when it starts.
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[20:51] <Jimmy06> well it has it forced it to 4 hours out lol
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> adammw111, any +5V supply is fine if you can physically connect it in...
[20:52] <adammw111> ok, lets test it then.... here we go
[20:52] <Jimmy06> now without doing anytihng its correct
[20:52] <Jimmy06> pi@raspberrypi:~$ date
[20:52] <Jimmy06> Sat Jun 30 19:50:06 BST 2012
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> Jimmy06, try sudo /etc/init.d/ntp restart
[20:52] <Jimmy06> i tried that
[20:52] <Jimmy06> earlier
[20:52] <Jimmy06> didnt have any effect
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> sure it was connected to the 'net at boot time?
[20:52] <Jimmy06> yeah i can only connect to i threw ssh
[20:53] <Jimmy06> and the date would have been 1970
[20:53] <Billiard> gordonDrogon: so, can I make it not draw that rgb square? :p
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> Billiard, write a program and off you go :)
[20:53] <Billiard> :/
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> ok. I'll write one for you.
[20:53] <Peanut> Jay, I got X to work.
[20:53] <ntwrk_keith> Question, anyone know how to manually get the output after logging into ubuntu server using SSH? the uptime, usage output...
[20:53] <Jimmy06> gonna reimage it and see if it still does it
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> anyon got a nice algorithm to generate the rgb square given x & y ?
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[20:55] <Joshun> is there any particular reason why the wheezy image does not have a swap partition
[20:55] <adammw111> ok that's weird. it booted up but no networking lights are on... could it be the voltage was too low and the ARM powered on but not the network chip or would it be something else..
[20:55] <Joshun> or is it just because its still in beta
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> Jimmy06, seems a bit drastic... go thorugh the usual apt-get update/upgrade; rpi-update first?
[20:55] <Jimmy06> i have
[20:55] <Jimmy06> :)
[20:55] <Jimmy06> theres nothing on here im still just fiddling with small stuff lol
[20:55] <adammw111> USB s don't work either so I'm guessing it's something like that
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[20:56] <Peanut> Joshun: My Debian image does come with a swap-partition, according to gparted - but is not currently swapping to it for some reason.
[20:57] <adammw111> yeh I'm guessing that - kernel gets no USB port 1, maybe cable bad message, and I did see a drop to almost 3.97V during boot. so there goes that idea.
[20:57] <Joshun> Peanut - the wheezy (alpha) image
[20:57] <Joshun> as in http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435
[20:57] <Peanut> Oh, right, this is probably Squeeze.
[20:58] <Jimmy06> swapon
[20:58] <Joshun> is it a good idea to add a swap partition
[20:58] <Joshun> or was it removed for a good reason?
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[20:58] <gordonDrogon> IMO no.
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> dump the swap partition.
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> and use a swapfile.
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> more flexible.
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> and you get more SD space.
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[20:59] <Peanut> If that is just as fast (which it is supposed to be in Linux these days, I think).
[20:59] <Joshun> do you mean a virtual filesystem
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> some stuff here to repartition, etc. https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[20:59] <Joshun> mounted as swap
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> a plain old file mounted as swap.
[20:59] <Joshun> sounds like a good idea
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> if you create it "early" ie. before doing lots of stuff on the SD card then there's a good chance the file will be contiguous blocks and the performance will be the same as a partition.
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[21:00] <Joshun> yeah
[21:01] <ReggieUK> I keep forgetting to ask, where does all the space go in a 2gb image for the pi?
[21:01] <Joshun> and easier to delete/resize too
[21:01] <ReggieUK> what's taking it all up
[21:01] <mythos> a partition is more secure. there are attacks afaik for swap-files but not swap-partitions .o(rekapitulates something he reads years ago)
[21:01] <Joshun> how does the raspberry pi know what firmware file to actually boot from btw
[21:01] <Joshun> i mean there are several exectuables in the boot partition
[21:02] <chancellorsmith> i read stuff saying swap is not a good idea on SD storage ?
[21:02] <Joshun> well it would increase the number of reads and writes
[21:02] <Joshun> which could shorten the sd's lifespan
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> attacks??? If someone can login to a running unix system then they can do more to hurt it than simply hack the swap partition.
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[21:04] <mervaka> well thats just cool.
[21:04] <mervaka> got my usb steering wheel controlling my servo via wifi
[21:04] <ReggieUK> :)
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[21:04] <mervaka> though the servo's cheap and nasty, really bad at seeking
[21:05] <Peanut> That;s impressive, mervaka
[21:06] <Jimmy06> mervaka, id love to have ago at that lol
[21:06] <Jimmy06> wtf do i need :P
[21:07] <mervaka> er
[21:07] <Peanut> Using GPIO pins?
[21:07] <mervaka> Peanut: one of the PWMs
[21:07] <mervaka> Peanut: comes out on pin 12 of the header
[21:07] <mervaka> but both PWMs are on the headphone jack anyway
[21:07] <mervaka> usually doing audio
[21:08] <Jimmy06> what distro you doing that with mervaka ?
[21:09] <mervaka> just debian
[21:09] <Jimmy06> also i take it id need to step down a 12v battery to use on the pi
[21:09] <mervaka> doesnt matter, really
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[21:10] <mervaka> 12v?
[21:10] <Jimmy06> yes
[21:10] <mervaka> i'm running everything off 5v
[21:10] <Jimmy06> yeah i've got an old helicoptor starter batters
[21:10] <Jimmy06> model
[21:10] <mervaka> ah ok
[21:10] <Jimmy06> and the servos from it
[21:10] <mervaka> are the servos 12v?
[21:11] <Jimmy06> nah
[21:11] <mervaka> hmm
[21:11] <Jimmy06> they didnt the copper
[21:11] <mervaka> best use a switching regulator
[21:11] <mervaka> i think
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[21:11] <Jimmy06> thinking of using a servo and a camera
[21:11] <Jimmy06> as a rotatable camera
[21:12] <mervaka> ok
[21:12] <Jimmy06> so wouldnt need the wireless stuff like you doing per say
[21:12] <Jimmy06> dont need it hooked up to a controler
[21:12] <mervaka> i had already written the wireless stuff
[21:12] <Jimmy06> cool :)
[21:12] <mervaka> just sockets, basically
[21:12] <mervaka> and the joystick input is using pygame
[21:13] <mervaka> really really easy
[21:13] <Jimmy06> just need to understand how to use the header
[21:13] <Jimmy06> like you are :)
[21:13] <Jimmy06> but then again isnt that what the Pi is for learning :)
[21:13] <mervaka> Jimmy06: just using the wiki and the manuals it refers to :)
[21:13] <mervaka> and bouncing ideas and solving problems here
[21:13] <Jimmy06> yeah ill get there some year :P
[21:14] <mervaka> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151061313283767
[21:15] <Jimmy06> made a 16gb image starting to wish i hadnt :P
[21:15] <Jimmy06> 56% threw writing now lol
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[21:16] <Jimmy06> yeah i need to get a breadboard yet
[21:17] <mervaka> breadboard isnt actually doing anything
[21:17] <Jimmy06> k lol
[21:17] <mervaka> just connecting bare ends together neatly
[21:17] <Jimmy06> ah right
[21:17] <jardiamj> Hi guys, after trying and trying I'm almost sure that my RPi is dead now
[21:17] <mervaka> just a glorified power rail
[21:17] <mervaka> have a darlington pair of transistors still there from when i was trying to drop the voltage
[21:18] <Jimmy06> jardiamj, why do you think that ?
[21:18] <chancellorsmith> Unable to locate package ntp -- fresh raspbian install won't let me apt-get install - any ideas ?
[21:18] <jardiamj> I already try the troubleshooting
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[21:18] <Jimmy06> ntpd
[21:19] <jardiamj> measuring the voltage in the Pi, the most it gets is 3.08
[21:19] <jardiamj> and I know that't not enough, but I have tried several power adaptors..
[21:19] <Joshun> the wheezy image is so much better, especially with raspi-config
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[21:19] <jardiamj> all of 5 v and 700 mA
[21:19] <jardiamj> but it doesn't turn on...
[21:19] <jardiamj> just the power light comes on but nothing else happens
[21:20] <mervaka> jardiamj: measure the voltage across C6
[21:20] <Joshun> oh swap is enabled automatically
[21:20] <Jimmy06> i get 4.85 volts
[21:21] <mervaka> that means your supplies are all ok then..
[21:21] <mervaka> hmm
[21:21] <mervaka> might be an RMA job?
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[21:21] <Jimmy06> thats me not jardiamj :P
[21:21] <jardiamj> and the the element mark as RG2 gets hot very quickly
[21:21] <mervaka> oh sorry
[21:21] <mervaka> i get the Js confused
[21:22] <mervaka> haha
[21:22] <Jimmy06> i get 4.85 across both TP1/2 and the other
[21:22] <Jimmy06> mines nearly cool
[21:22] <Jimmy06> RG2
[21:22] <SIFTU> Joshun: if you wont to minimize writes use an fstab like http://pastebin.com/ZcZVDK9P
[21:22] <SIFTU> want*
[21:22] <mervaka> right
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[21:23] <mervaka> time to hack together a header for two servos
[21:23] <mervaka> involving a 3.5mm ajck
[21:23] <mervaka> jack*
[21:23] <mervaka> :D
[21:23] <yggdrasil> shoot, i jsut realied there is a hell of dangerous static on my old crt tv. the pi is sitting right on top. moved now.
[21:23] <Jimmy06> would two servo's be the max there ?
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[21:23] <mervaka> Jimmy06: yep
[21:23] <mervaka> Jimmy06: at least for the rpi on its own
[21:23] <Jimmy06> yeah
[21:23] <mervaka> left and right from headphones
[21:24] <Jimmy06> so anymore would require a microcontroller of some sort right ?
[21:24] <mervaka> you can get usb servo controllers that do loads of channels
[21:24] <mervaka> or that
[21:24] <mervaka> but tbh the usb servo controller is a neater solution if that's all you want the uC for
[21:25] <Jimmy06> yeah but the MC would have more usages right
[21:25] <mervaka> ofc
[21:25] <mervaka> depends what you want it for
[21:25] <Jimmy06> everything
[21:25] <mervaka> like you can connect sensors to the uC
[21:25] <Jimmy06> im taking over the world with my Pi
[21:25] <mervaka> do all your realtime stuff on it
[21:26] <Jimmy06> yeah i think we'd need a uC for what im looking at doing with it :P
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[21:26] <Jimmy06> something id need to talk to my gf's dad about really
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[21:26] <mervaka> i've not really dabbled with arduino
[21:26] <mervaka> always been a pic man
[21:26] <jardiamj> I get 3.08 across C6
[21:27] <jardiamj> so Jimmy06 do you thing all my power adaptors are not giving me enough power
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[21:27] <jardiamj> even though they are 5 v and 700 mA
[21:27] <mervaka> jardiamj: that would suggest your psu isnt giving enough voltage
[21:28] <Jimmy06> for sure that issue is voltage
[21:28] <mervaka> wait a sec
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[21:28] <mervaka> on the back, measure the voltage across F3
[21:28] <Jimmy06> If im correct C6 is directly from the input source
[21:28] <mervaka> that should be as close to 0 as possible
[21:28] <archstanton77> anyone using raspbmc with an edimax wireless card?
[21:28] <jardiamj> but I have 3 power adapters and none of them gives me enough power
[21:28] <yggdrasil> i just realized omxplayer doesnt really need x to be running
[21:29] <jardiamj> and I have used them all before with the PI and they worked fine
[21:29] <Jimmy06> mervaka, you mean FD3 ?
[21:29] <archstanton77> ive got edimax workng on debian but not on xbmcs release and wondering if anyones sorted it
[21:29] <mervaka> Jimmy06: F3
[21:29] <jardiamj> I mean I had my Pi on and then suddenly it went off and now it refuses to come on again
[21:29] <mervaka> the polyfuse
[21:29] <Jimmy06> ah i see it
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[21:30] <jardiamj> mervaka, what it the polifuse and where is it?
[21:30] <Jimmy06> next to the power connector
[21:30] <mervaka> when too much current gets drawn, it increases in resistance and drops the voltage supplied to the board
[21:30] <mervaka> jardiamj: on the back
[21:30] <mervaka> opposite side of C6
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[21:31] <Ben_> Hello!
[21:31] <mervaka> same corner, etc
[21:31] <mervaka> hello Ben_
[21:31] <mervaka> i'm getting 0.04v
[21:31] <mervaka> across F3
[21:31] <Ben_> my raspberry pi arrived today!
[21:31] <jardiamj> marked as F3?
[21:31] <mervaka> the green thing
[21:31] <mervaka> yeah
[21:31] <Ben_> I installed xbmc some minutes ago. Stupid question now: how do I start it?
[21:31] <Peanut> For those people worried about attacks via the swapfile: simply opening the webbrowser is a much more effective DOS.
[21:32] <Jimmy06> mervaka, i get no vlotage there at all
[21:32] <mervaka> Jimmy06: good
[21:32] <Ben_> *raspbmc I mean
[21:32] <mervaka> you shouldnt unless there's a problem
[21:33] <Joshun> Ben_ got mine today also, installed wheezy on it, runs great :D
[21:33] <mervaka> its just a self sensing thermistor
[21:33] <Jimmy06> wheres cool
[21:34] <Ben_> Joshun: What's wheezy? I'm running debian
[21:34] <mervaka> stick a lighter on it, i dare you :D
[21:34] <Jimmy06> my 16gb image is now written back lol
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[21:34] <Joshun> Ben_ Debian Wheezy - the alpha image
[21:34] <Joshun> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435
[21:34] <reider59> beta now
[21:34] <Joshun> sorry i mean beta
[21:34] <jardiamj> I guet 0.227 across F3
[21:34] <archstanton77> im running debian wheezy much better
[21:35] <Ben_> How is it different to squeeze?
[21:35] <mervaka> hmmm
[21:35] <Joshun> it runs so much faster
[21:35] <jardiamj> Jimmy06, ^^
[21:35] <Ben_> oh ok
[21:35] <Joshun> enables you to easily setup keyboard layout, resize sd card and a whole load of other stuff
[21:35] <Joshun> the sound is better too
[21:35] <mervaka> jardiamj: what was your TP1/TP2 difference again?
[21:35] <reider59> faster, more stable, better setup menu, auto fills the empty space on the SD Card
[21:35] <jardiamj> 3.08
[21:35] <archstanton77> resize sd was really useful
[21:36] <Peanut> Faster sounds tempting...
[21:36] <Joshun> well you would think squeeze would be more stable being the recommended version
[21:36] <reider59> I agree, just saves a lot of messing
[21:36] <Joshun> but the drivers have improved in wheezy
[21:36] <mervaka> that'd still only be 3.3v if it had no F3
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[21:36] <Jimmy06> pfft jitter to my pi and 2ms on lan :P
[21:36] <GeekShadow> hello
[21:36] <reider59> That`s only because Wheezy is still at beta status
[21:36] <archstanton77> any sign of edimax drivers in xbmc raspbmc
[21:36] <GeekShadow> what's the max size of the SDHC possible on Rpi ?
[21:36] <jardiamj> it's F3 the one the gets hot quickly Jimmy06
[21:36] <Jimmy06> 32gb
[21:36] <mervaka> jardiamj: you might have to put it to farnell/RS, and see what they say.
[21:37] <reider59> It felt mor elike a beta when it was alpha too
[21:37] <mervaka> jardiamj: is it hot?
[21:37] <jardiamj> yes
[21:37] <Ben_> guess I have to install wheezy then... tomorrow.
[21:37] <Joshun> sdl sound works in wheezy :)
[21:37] <GeekShadow> Jimmy06, thanks :)
[21:37] <mervaka> your board's most likely faulty then
[21:37] <jardiamj> I just unpluged it because it get's very hot
[21:37] <reider59> forgot about that josh
[21:37] <Joshun> supertux works well
[21:37] <Joshun> will try pcsxr next
[21:38] <mervaka> jardiamj: F3 is doing its thing and preventing further damage
[21:38] <jardiamj> what should the resistance of F3 be?
[21:38] <Jimmy06> wouldnt that change
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[21:38] <mervaka> its voltage should be as near to 0 as possible
[21:38] <mervaka> mine's 0.4v
[21:38] <mervaka> er
[21:38] <mervaka> 0.04v
[21:39] <archstanton77> anyone using raspbmc?
[21:39] <reider59> I thought I had a power issue or something with the occasional flicker in Debian Squeeze but getting none in Wheezy
[21:39] <reider59> oops, meant screen flicker
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[21:39] <jardiamj> ok, and mine is 0.227 so there is something wrong somewhere else and it's just preventing more damage...
[21:39] <mervaka> jardiamj: armed with the information about the voltages across TP1/2, C6 and F3, you should be able to get an RMA
[21:39] <archstanton77> or got xbmc installed in wheezy
[21:39] <zutto> archstanton77: i gave it a go while back
[21:39] <Jimmy06> mines 0.10v
[21:39] <jardiamj> RMA?
[21:39] <mervaka> return
[21:39] <archstanton77> zutto with wireless?
[21:40] <mervaka> anyway
[21:40] <zutto> nope
[21:40] <mervaka> i need to go shower
[21:40] <mervaka> bbl
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[21:40] <jardiamj> ok, so I should contact Farnell then....
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[21:40] <Ben_> archstanton77: I installed it some minutes ago
[21:40] <zutto> there was too critical issues with raspbmc
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[21:40] <jardiamj> How do I proceed with that, anybody know...
[21:41] <Jimmy06> havnt a clue
[21:41] <Jimmy06> contact RS
[21:41] <jardiamj> Oh well, I will just go to their website and find out..
[21:41] <Jimmy06> or farnell
[21:41] <archstanton77> Ben_ do you have a wireless card in your pi
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[21:41] <jardiamj> thank Jimmy06,
[21:41] <Joshun> who needs wifi
[21:41] <Joshun> ethernet is so much faster
[21:41] <Joshun> and more stable
[21:41] <archstanton77> Joshun what!!!
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[21:41] <Ben__> Yes
[21:41] <Ben__> Agree
[21:42] <zutto> i do agree too
[21:42] <Ben__> Since I want to use the RPi for server purposes, Ethernet of course.
[21:42] <Jimmy06> get better wifi then :P
[21:42] <Jimmy06> we'll its not more stable thats for sure
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[21:42] <zutto> Jimmy06: i got walls that wifi signal doesnt penetrate well in my apt ;P
[21:42] <archstanton77> because wireless means you only need 1 wire connected or none if your using a battery source
[21:42] <Jimmy06> 3ms ping 0.67 jitter
[21:42] <Jimmy06> on LAN
[21:43] <Joshun> wifi is good for laptops and low-powered devices
[21:43] <Joshun> which could include the raspi
[21:43] <Joshun> but depends what your actually using it for
[21:43] <archstanton77> my wifi is stable using the edimax driver on wheezy
[21:43] <Joshun> servers almost always use ethernet
[21:43] <yggdrasil> whats 4*
[21:43] <yggdrasil> w4*
[21:43] <yggdrasil> darn
[21:43] <yggdrasil> there we go
[21:43] <yggdrasil> ;)
[21:43] <archstanton77> Joshun wireless is faster if it can use n
[21:43] <Jimmy06> i think after seeing the time issue on here using it as a server is a bad idear
[21:43] <jardiamj> No more RPi play for me for a while then....
[21:43] <Ben__> can I still use debian as usual besides the xbmc installation?
[21:43] <yggdrasil> im having a hard time controllin gthe volume in omxplayer
[21:44] <Joshun> depends on the router's speed
[21:44] <archstanton77> well its not as its all on the usb hub actually
[21:44] <Joshun> and the drivers aswell
[21:44] <Jimmy06> Joshun, what ?
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[21:44] <Joshun> alot of drivers still limit the wifi to g speed
[21:44] <reider59> I need WiFi for when I put the RPi on a mobile buggy with a cam, arduino board and a robotic arm. Operate it from a distance via VNC
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[21:45] <archstanton77> they only put 100mb wired on the pi
[21:45] <zutto> reider59: great example where wifi is actually useful ;p
[21:45] <Joshun> is the speed 100mb max
[21:45] <archstanton77> yeah wifi is the only way
[21:45] <Joshun> or 1gb
[21:45] <archstanton77> 100mb
[21:45] <Jimmy06> 100
[21:45] <zutto> :|
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[21:45] <Joshun> may be slower then
[21:45] <Joshun> although the ping may be faster on ethernet
[21:46] <archstanton77> my ping times werent great on the n card
[21:46] <Jimmy06> the onboard ethernet is a USB device :P
[21:46] <zutto> i still wouldnt use wifi if i had option to wire it
[21:46] <archstanton77> certainly not as good as the ones you put above
[21:46] <archstanton77> yep
[21:46] <reider59> you bet, looking forward to it. Just got to get the arm working in a special Linux program first. tried it on the lappie to test with but it`s 64 bit and even with 64 bit drivers doesn`t work.
[21:46] <Joshun> wifi may be limited though if it is usb
[21:47] <Joshun> the raspberry pi is usb 2.0 don't forget
[21:47] <Iota> I forget I have a Raspberry Pi. How is everyone and their Pi's doing?
[21:48] <Joshun> ouch debian servers are going slow
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> what mirror are you using? make sure you use a UK one if you're in the UK.
[21:48] <Joshun> the default one
[21:48] <Joshun> isn't that set to uk already
[21:49] <Joshun> or didn't they touch the mirrors
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> deb http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> use that in /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> and
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> deb http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free
[21:49] <Joshun> ok cheers
[21:49] <Joshun> i'll try that
[21:50] <Joshun> it seems to have locked up now :(
[21:50] <Ben__> How can I connect via ssh to xbmc?
[21:51] <Ben__> *raspbmc
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[21:51] <zutto> Ben__: you probably should re-consider about using raspbmc
[21:51] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - i'm on wheezy, so shall i just replace 'squeeze' with 'wheezy'
[21:51] <jcdutton> Where are the details of how to build my own kernel for raspberry pi?
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[21:52] <Joshun> oh maybe just wheezy main contrib non-free
[21:53] <Ben__> zutto: why?
[21:53] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - something is still limiting it to 51.8kb/s
[21:53] <Joshun> there is another mirror not specified in sources.list
[21:53] <zutto> raspbmc has "major" bugs in it :|
[21:53] <zutto> atleast rc2 had, i havent touched rc3
[21:54] <Ben__> :S
[21:54] <zutto> you can try, open video and pause it.. leave it there for 5minutes and see if you can resume playing it
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, hm. your own line then... what speed areyou getting from other sites?
[21:56] <Joshun> cpu seems to be soaring to 100% when using dpkg
[21:56] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - i think the wheezy one has added mirrors for updates, such as the archive.qmh-project.org mirrors
[21:56] <Joshun> but its updated now
[21:56] <Joshun> at last
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> jcdutton, look on this site: http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/
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[21:58] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, it'll be the same mirrors for all debians.
[21:58] <Joshun> oh
[21:58] <Joshun> its in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[21:58] <Joshun> it might be for firmware updates or something
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> possibly, who knows. I won't run Wheezy myself.
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> other than Raspbian.
[21:59] <Ben__> zutto: how do I controle the menue?
[21:59] <Joshun> now to test some ps1 games with pcsxr...
[21:59] <Ben__> there is a popup with "Yes" and "no"
[22:00] <zutto> ..with your keyboard? or phone.. or mouse :|
[22:00] <Ben__> keyboard is on, but every input is just translated into terminal language or so and appears on the top left corner
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[22:01] <bootc> gordonDrogon: what do you make of my new theme? :-D
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> bootc, er, looks like the standard 2012 theme :)
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> watever it's called!
[22:02] <bootc> it is more or less, but nicer than my old one I think
[22:02] <bootc> twentyeleven
[22:03] <Ben__> archstanton77: how do you controle the menue?
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[22:04] <Joshun> does using a usb splitter throttle copying speed?
[22:04] <Joshun> i sure hope the usb ports don't snap off with all the stuff plugged into them
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[22:06] <jardiamj> OK, I sent and email to Farnell
[22:06] <Joshun> pcsx doesn't seem to work
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[22:07] <gordonDrogon> bootc, yea, the standard themes are ok - easy to use anyway.
[22:07] <Joshun> RGB & YUV not found. Quitting.
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> I keep meaning to find something better for http://moorbakes.co.uk/ but ...
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[22:12] <Joshun> has anybody got any emulators to work well on the raspi?
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[22:19] <GeekShadow> is there some recent firefox or chromium builds for arm/raspberry ?
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[22:22] <Syliss> GeekShadow i think people are working on chrome for the pi
[22:22] <GeekShadow> ok
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[22:25] <Syliss> but its hard with the cpu i guess
[22:26] <Joshun> does anybody else experience errors when copying files from usb on the raspi
[22:26] <Joshun> i think it may be the usb mouse using up usb bandwidth
[22:26] <dirty_d> why isnt chrome already working?
[22:26] <dirty_d> what kinda x86 specific stuff would be in hte code?
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[22:26] <Syliss> no idea
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[22:26] <Syliss> dirty_d: you could always compile it yourself?
[22:27] <Syliss> oh, anyone who is doing the lap dock mod, http://www.dealextreme.com/p/micro-usb-female-to-micro-male-female-adapter-cable-for-blackberry-9900-black-30cm-107901
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[22:29] <dirty_d> Syliss, i think its cuz of opengl
[22:29] <Syliss> prolly
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[22:29] <jcdutton> Is there any way to boot a rpi image in qemu?
[22:30] <dirty_d> yes
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[22:30] <dirty_d> you need to use an appropriate kernel though
[22:30] <Ben64> what i want is a power/data splitting usb cable
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[22:31] <Ben64> so i can power a usb device separately from where it gets the data from
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[22:31] <dirty_d> Ben64, cut one up
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[22:31] <Ben64> the wires are so small
[22:31] <Syliss> yeah, I'm going to have to do that for the lap dock too
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[22:32] <Syliss> use a magnifying glass?
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[22:32] <jcdutton> dirty_d, so, take a rpi image, make a different kernel and then it should boot? What is wrong with the rpi kernel ?
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[22:32] <Ben64> they break easily, hard to work with, and the end result won't look very professional
[22:33] <dirty_d> jcdutton, the rpi kernel expects certain hardware top be present which wont be there on the qemu system
[22:34] <dirty_d> jcdutton, http://archive.raspbian.org/qemu/
[22:34] <jcdutton> dirty_d, so I would have to implement the hardware emulation in qemu before a standard rpi kernel would run?
[22:34] <dirty_d> jcdutton, you should be able to use the kernel from that with whatever image you wanna boot
[22:34] <dirty_d> jcdutton, yes
[22:34] <dirty_d> jcdutton, but unless youre doing kernel work in qemu, it shouldnt make any difference
[22:35] <dirty_d> what are you trying to do?
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[22:36] <Syliss> Ben64: try ebay, you should be able to get like 2 cables to make the adapter without cutting
[22:37] <jcdutton> dirty_d, trying to do some kernel development on the rpi, without needing an actual real rpi
[22:37] <Syliss> ah
[22:37] <dirty_d> ahh, thts gonna be a lot of work
[22:37] <dirty_d> you should probably just wait for a real one
[22:37] <Jimmy06> hes got a real one
[22:37] <Jimmy06> just doens work
[22:37] <Jimmy06> doesnt
[22:37] <dirty_d> oh that sucks
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[22:38] <dirty_d> what happened?
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[22:38] <Jimmy06> doa
[22:38] <Joshun> is installing git on the raspberry pi a bad idea?
[22:39] <Joshun> there are loads of dependencies and daemon stuff
[22:39] <dirty_d> no
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[22:39] <Joshun> i just don't want it to get bogged down with background-running daemons
[22:40] <Syliss> Jimmy06: have him send it back since it was doa
[22:40] <Jimmy06> he is i think
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[22:40] <Jimmy06> i dont know him lol :P
[22:41] <Syliss> lol
[22:42] <Syliss> ugh i cannot wait to get my hdmi adapter. just need a usb adapter and ill be set
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[22:43] <Joshun> Syliss - they are running cheap in cash generator
[22:43] <Joshun> gold plated too
[22:44] <Syliss> ?
[22:44] <Joshun> the shop cash generator - they have hdmi leads and adaptors
[22:44] <Syliss> hmm
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[22:44] <Syliss> uk?
[22:45] <Joshun> yeah
[22:45] <Syliss> oh I'm in usa
[22:45] <Joshun> oh sorry didn't realise you may be in the us or something
[22:45] <Syliss> yeah I'm in cali
[22:46] <Syliss> plus i just need a female micro usb adapter for the lapdock
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[22:46] <Syliss> which ironically has a uk keyboard
[22:46] <Joshun> i just bought a flexible keyboard the other day
[22:47] <Joshun> and was surprised that it had a us keyboard layout
[22:47] <Joshun> bought it in an electronics store here in the uk
[22:47] <Syliss> well i plan to use the lap dock when I'm needing something lighter than my macbook pro
[22:48] <mervaka> lol
[22:48] <mervaka> dirty_d: tried running the servo off the header pins
[22:48] <mervaka> browns out
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> I got a keyboard recently that had a spanish layout...
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, *boggle*
[22:49] <dirty_d> mervaka, what were you using before?
[22:49] <mervaka> bench power supply :)
[22:49] <mervaka> with power into the board via the header
[22:49] <dirty_d> yea youll definitly want a separate power source
[22:49] <Joshun> the lapdocks look nice
[22:49] <mervaka> at a matse house now, showing off :p
[22:49] <Joshun> are they just bare laptops with inputs on them?
[22:49] <dirty_d> you dont have to connect the positive
[22:49] <dirty_d> just the grounds
[22:50] <dirty_d> servo battery might be say 6v
[22:50] <dirty_d> just connect the ground to the rpi
[22:50] <Syliss> yeah and it was only $65 shipped 2 day from amazon
[22:50] <dirty_d> you probably should make a level shifter with a couple transistors too for the signal
[22:50] <Syliss> Joshun: its a dumb terminal. keyboard, mouse, screen, battery, usb hub (powered)
[22:50] <mervaka> yeah
[22:50] <mervaka> i should really :)
[22:51] <mervaka> just seeign what i can get away with
[22:51] <Syliss> Joshun: nice thing is too, I've been using gift cards to buy the parts i need so basically i only paid for the pi
[22:52] <blkhawk> I think i will build a battery powered wireless webradio from one of my RPIs
[22:52] <Joshun> great idea
[22:53] <Joshun> yeah wouldn't mind a lapdock myself
[22:53] <Joshun> has anyone tried compiling pcsx rearmed on the pi
[22:53] <Joshun> i'm hoping it'll work
[22:54] <Joshun> http://notaz.gp2x.de/pcsx_rearmed.php
[22:54] <blkhawk> i have these 3.7 to 5 v step up converters
[22:55] <blkhawk> and a broken (1 cell of 3 is defective) lipo battery
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[22:55] <Joshun> you could also remote control it
[22:55] <Joshun> through ssh
[22:55] <Joshun> to change the channel
[22:55] <blkhawk> plus ihave an old webradio that only does 11b and slows my wlan down anyway ;)
[22:55] <blkhawk> oh
[22:56] <blkhawk> i plan to reuse the frontpanel
[22:56] <Joshun> :)
[22:56] <blkhawk> i just need to figure out how to read the buttons and the encoder
[22:56] <Joshun> i still need a case for my raspi
[22:56] <Joshun> not sure which one to get
[22:56] <blkhawk> it has a hl-1602 character display
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, what step-up units are you using?
[22:56] <blkhawk> http://www.suntekstore.com/goods-14003983-5pcs_solar_boost_dc-dc_3v-5v_adjustable_power_supply_module.html
[22:56] <blkhawk> there
[22:56] <blkhawk> 5 pices are 8.99usd
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[22:57] <Joshun> gcc completely hammers the pi with 100% cpu
[22:57] <blkhawk> they eat 3.7v easily
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, thanks. wrong country though )-: Need a source in hte UK...
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> Joshun: try -J 2
[22:57] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: erm
[22:57] <Joshun> what would that do?
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> Joshun: At least here, it was significantly faster
[22:57] <Joshun> oh
[22:57] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: they get faster to me wheni order from there than from the uk
[22:57] <Joshun> i'm doing it from a makefile
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[22:58] <SpeedEvil> Joshun: IO is important
[22:58] <chaoshax> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57464259-1/raspberry-pi-to-cross-atlantic-in-solar-powered-dinghy/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title
[22:58] <blkhawk> from china postal service takes ~10 days
[22:58] <chaoshax> It seems like we have journalists reading here.
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, sure, but my policy is to only order from the UK.
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> Joshun: This was on my n900, which is approximately similar to the pi.
[22:58] <blkhawk> royal mail takes 18 days to here
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> -J 2 sped up considerably.
[22:58] <Draylor> it'll sink within the first mile chaoshax
[22:58] <Draylor> but its fun regardless :)
[22:58] <chaoshax> Draylor, I know
[22:58] <Joshun> i'l have to try that
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[22:59] <SpeedEvil> - with linux kernel
[22:59] <Joshun> lol i'm still getting used to typing on a rubber flexible keyboard
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> C++ may differ
[22:59] <Joshun> i don't use C++ for my own stuff anyway
[22:59] <Joshun> C has a much nicer syntax
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, actually looking for a solution to power an arduino off battery + solar - it's just not easy to get stuff to bolt together - currently looking at using sealed lead acids, but they're 6V, and most regulators want 6.5-7V to get to 5V....
[23:00] <ReggieUK> proof of concept vehicle...
[23:00] <ReggieUK> it's a boat
[23:00] <ReggieUK> a really little one
[23:00] <ReggieUK> they've worked for thousands of years
[23:00] <ReggieUK> the concept is proved
[23:00] <Draylor> little boat vs big ocean
[23:01] <Draylor> im betting on the big guy in that fight, with a vicious KO early in round 1 :p
[23:01] <ReggieUK> make it with tougher stuff
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, Heh... ebay.co.uk item: 220810285848
[23:02] <Joshun> has anyone tried running xfce on the pi
[23:02] <Joshun> or would it be to heavy
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, http://www.suntekstore.co.uk/product-14002079-solar_boost_dc-dc_3v-5v_adjustable_power_supply_module.html
[23:02] <Syliss> hmm, i wouldn't mind xfce
[23:02] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, can you use a 12v sla?
[23:03] <Joshun> i use it on most of my other linux boxes
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, sure- just needs a bigger box & bigger solar panel to charge it with though...
[23:03] <dirty_d> ahh
[23:03] <Mike632T> I works OK a little sluggish at times but you can't expect everything - I'd say it was usable
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, however it's probably what's going to happen just due to the logistics of it all.
[23:04] <dirty_d> is this a weather station?
[23:04] <Joshun> well nowhere near as bad as kde
[23:04] <Joshun> that would probably fry the circuitry
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> yes, weather station.
[23:09] <yggdrasil> damit , i hate when the pirate bays offline
[23:09] <yggdrasil> is anyone here running the xbmc distro for pi ?
[23:10] <Syliss> yes
[23:10] <Syliss> I'm running darkelec
[23:10] <yggdrasil> darkelec
[23:10] <yggdrasil> hows the wireless support ?
[23:10] <Syliss> well, i was a few days ago
[23:10] <Syliss> idk I'm using a wrt54g
[23:11] <Syliss> cause i don't have a usb hub
[23:11] <dirty_d> how do they figure the tesla model S gets 89MPG?
[23:11] <Syliss> 89mpgE
[23:11] <yggdrasil> i realized the kinda cool ting is if you have an extra caard you can just load it up to play
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[23:11] <dirty_d> Syliss, 85kW/hr is the same energy in 2.38 gallons of gas
[23:12] <Syliss> it depends
[23:12] <dirty_d> 265mi range / 2.38 = 111mpg
[23:12] <Syliss> well i don't know then
[23:12] <Syliss> dirty_d: what state are u in?
[23:12] <dirty_d> MA
[23:12] <yggdrasil> Syliss: so you just use the wrt as a bridge and ethernet into yur pi ?
[23:12] <Syliss> yep yggdrasil
[23:13] <Syliss> since i have 2 wrt's
[23:13] <yggdrasil> hmm pretty ingenous
[23:13] <yggdrasil> i dont have any power issues with a little asus wireless adapter
[23:13] <Syliss> i used to use it to skim wifi from neighbors but they moved away
[23:13] <yggdrasil> running it off my seagate home theaters usb drive
[23:13] <yggdrasil> Syliss: an internet theft device is on my list of projecto for the pi
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[23:14] <Syliss> yeah i was thinking of using my pi in my car to wardrive and see what open networks are in my area
[23:14] <Syliss> since i can't walk easily (cane and all)
[23:15] <Syliss> i used to use my iPhone with netstumbler but haven't had my iPhone jailbroken since i bought the 4s
[23:16] <Syliss> ugh i wish dx wasn't slow on shipping
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[23:21] <yggdrasil> are we now able to order a second raspi ?
[23:21] <yggdrasil> i need to get more, its like drugs
[23:22] <Syliss> lol, i want an A model
[23:22] <yggdrasil> i was kinda thinkign that too
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[23:22] <VegetableSpoon> Mine is about to get shipped
[23:22] <VegetableSpoon> hurray
[23:22] <Joshun> mine took ages
[23:23] <Joshun> but it was worth the wait
[23:23] <mikey_w> VegetableSpoon, promises, promises.
[23:23] <VegetableSpoon> haha yeah
[23:23] <VegetableSpoon> the date has been pushed back a few times already
[23:23] <Syliss> and since the A should have the same ram, it would be great for the lap dock for me
[23:23] <mikey_w> Really, I'm shocked!
[23:23] <VegetableSpoon> :P
[23:24] <yggdrasil> yea worth the wait
[23:24] <yggdrasil> i ordered on the second day
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[23:24] <VegetableSpoon> oh by the way
[23:24] <mikey_w> March 28th for me.
[23:24] <VegetableSpoon> I subscribed to the raspberry pi mailing list
[23:24] <VegetableSpoon> twice even
[23:25] <VegetableSpoon> because I wanted it asap
[23:25] <VegetableSpoon> and never got a single e-mail
[23:25] <yggdrasil> hehe
[23:25] <VegetableSpoon> is it spam filters playing me tricks or they never sent anything^
[23:25] <yggdrasil> oh its painfully slow on my old card
[23:25] <yggdrasil> bbl
[23:26] <VegetableSpoon> oh awesome the date has been pushed back again ahha
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[23:26] <Draylor> ouch
[23:26] <VegetableSpoon> shipping on july 12th now
[23:26] <Draylor> quit checking your mails, it'll be a nice surprise that way :p
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[23:27] <VegetableSpoon> ordered april 2nd, with an "eventually" shipping date. Then I got jun 29, jul 5 and jul 12
[23:27] <VegetableSpoon> wonder how many times it'll get bumped
[23:27] <Syliss> wow
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> On an unrelated matter - is the Nexus 7 shipping to customers anywhere yet? And does anyone know of CAM models of the case?
[23:29] <Syliss> SpeedEvil: next month, mid july
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[23:34] <Syliss> SpeedEvil: are you planning on getting a nexus 7?
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> I've ordered one.
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> I buy very, very little new stuff.
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> I have http://www.wopadusa.com/2nd-gernation-wopad-wopad-i7/ - which was a gift - and am using it a fair bit.
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> But the 480p vertical screen is a limit
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> The nexus is almost an exact clone of this. (without hdmi/sd/USB host socket)
[23:36] <Joshun> i wonder if an old dvd player with analog video inputs will work as a monitor for the pi
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> but with better CPU, RAM, ...
[23:36] <yggdrasil> how can i ls and jsut get a list of directory ?
[23:36] <yggdrasil> not files
[23:37] <Syliss> SpeedEvil: nice, i want one but no expansion sd sucks
[23:37] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if it'd be possible to rig up a Pi with a Pixel Qi screen
[23:37] <Syliss> prolly
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> Syliss: I am going to be pairing it with my phone, so I can store stuff on that.
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> Syliss: including a microSD card, if I choose
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[23:38] <Syliss> what phone do u have?
[23:38] <SpeedEvil> n900
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[23:39] <Syliss> nice
[23:39] <Syliss> did you get the 8 or 16
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> 8
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[23:40] <SpeedEvil> I can't justify the massive additional cost.
[23:40] <Syliss> yeah no kidding
[23:40] <yggdrasil> I have a lenovo thinkpad
[23:40] <yggdrasil> its ok
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> Versus the convenience of a microSD+adaptor
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> yggdrasil: me too
[23:40] <yggdrasil> 64b though
[23:40] <yggdrasil> oh yea ?
[23:40] <yggdrasil> which one ?
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> x60s
[23:40] <Syliss> SpeedEvil: would be nice if it could do usb host mode
[23:41] <yggdrasil> you guys got root right ?
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> I think it can
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> but only over microB
[23:41] <Joshun> does the raspi output both hdmi and video out simultaneously
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> which is ... odd
[23:41] <Joshun> or does it pick one at boot
[23:41] <Syliss> i love my mbp (2008 model) i can't stand pc laptops anymore
[23:41] <Syliss> SpeedEvil: thats an easy bypass
[23:42] <Syliss> micro usb male to usb female
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> Syliss: Sure
[23:42] <Syliss> those are easy to get too
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> Syliss: It's an odd connector, and doesn't just stick right in like on http://www.wopadusa.com/2nd-gernation-wopad-wopad-i7/ - which is the one I have
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> you can stick a micro USB->SD adaptor in this, and get another 32G storage with it sticking out only a few mm
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> (about 4)
[23:44] <Syliss> yeah, a lot of tablets have either sd or micro sd slot on them
[23:44] <SpeedEvil> The above has microSD, and USB
[23:44] <SpeedEvil> so you can easily use two microSD at once :)
[23:44] <Syliss> cool
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[23:46] <yggdrasil> ugh i wich dd would give you some sort of ... sign as its writing
[23:47] <Syliss> i have a usb 50/1 reader that blinks when writing
[23:47] <yggdrasil> yea that would be nice.
[23:47] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: after testing them for a bit i cannot recommend them
[23:47] <yggdrasil> this one is built into my lappy
[23:47] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: they react very oddly to voltages above 4.5v
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[23:48] <Syliss> SpeedEvil: the air stash or wd wi-drive would bee good for the nexus 7
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[23:49] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: and at 6v they basically shortcircuit
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> Syliss: I assume those are some sort of wifi hd
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> sure
[23:50] <Syliss> eyah
[23:50] <Syliss> yeah*
[23:50] <Syliss> good battery life on them too
[23:50] <Syliss> i know 16gb wi drive is like $40 on amazon. the air stash is expensive tho.
[23:50] <mjr> yggdrasil, kill -USR1 [ddpid] to get a report
[23:50] <Syliss> but its expandable
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[23:52] <Joshun> the dvd player actually works as a monitor
[23:52] <Joshun> but it has a tiny 7" screen lol
[23:54] <SpeedEvil> Syliss: My phone works OK for that
[23:54] <Syliss> yeah
[23:55] <Syliss> SpeedEvil: so far it looks like host mode works on the nexus 7
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> Syliss: It's just lots more conventient if you can plug in a standard A plug
[23:55] <Syliss> lol
[23:56] <Syliss> heh you got too used to that tablet
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes.
[23:56] <Syliss> most don't even have usb now
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> But it's _exactly_ the same size and weight as the new one
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[23:56] <jcdutton> blkhawk, Won't a simple DC-DC step-up/step-down converter work.
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> And cheaper
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> So missing stuff is a bit grating
[23:56] <Syliss> yes but its made my asus
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[23:57] <SpeedEvil> Sure - build quality is likely to be better
[23:57] <Syliss> has better internals and screen
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> Totally agere
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> but still
[23:57] <Syliss> i still think they should have at least added a micro sd slot
[23:57] <Syliss> was total bs, just like apple
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> I would not be surprised to find that most of the profit margin comes from people buying the 16G version
[23:58] <Syliss> i hope they come out with a 10" nexus
[23:58] <Syliss> SpeedEvil: there is almost no profit margin
[23:58] <Syliss> they are pretty much selling it at cost
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> On the 8, no
[23:59] <Syliss> yeah the 16 would have a little more margin since flash is cheap
[23:59] <Syliss> probably like $5 for the 8gb and $40 for the 16
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