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IRC Log for 2012-07-01

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[0:00] <Syliss> but they will make it up in app purchases
[0:00] <yggdrasil> hmm is there any way to access the fs of a card from nother computer
[0:00] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[0:00] <Syliss> and hey at least they gave you a $25 gc
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[0:00] <yggdrasil> i want to stick the cardinto my ;laptop and edit the /etc/network/interfaces
[0:00] <SpeedEvil> Syliss: I have the above tablet. I think my total spend on apps in the last year has been $8ish
[0:00] <SpeedEvil> Syliss: With most of them having 'Angry' in the title.
[0:00] <Syliss> lol
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[0:02] <sako> any idea when X server will get sorted for speed?
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[0:03] <Ollzer> Hi, has anyone got the LIRC_rpi working on pi with debian
[0:03] <sako> not but xchat works super
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[0:05] <sako> Ollzer have you tried xchat for IRC?
[0:06] <sako> doh sorry thought your were looking for an irc client
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[0:06] <Billiard> snes9x is just giving me a black screen. someone know how to get it workin on r-pi? maybe arch's package is bad or maybe I am dumb.
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[0:06] <Ollzer> sako: great answer, but i prever irssi :)
[0:06] <sako> :)
[0:07] <Ollzer> *f
[0:08] <sako> talking remotes I cant get a RC6 M$ remote working with Rasp-XBMC
[0:08] <sako> properly
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[0:11] <Ollzer> i might have it (lirc on debian) working but the problem is that i don't have a clue about patching sources and recompiling kernel
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[0:12] <jcdutton> How well protected is the power socket of the Raspberry Pi ? E.g. Could you connect 6V to it? Or even 9V?
[0:12] <SpeedEvil> No.
[0:13] <SpeedEvil> You really shouldn't connect over 5.5V
[0:13] <SpeedEvil> It may not die if you connect 9V, but you're exceeding the maximum rated input of the regulator chip, and relying on the fuse to blow
[0:13] <SpeedEvil> regulated supplies only
[0:14] <jcdutton> SpeedEvil, Which regulator chip is used?
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[0:14] <SpeedEvil> I forget he part number.
[0:14] <chaoshax> I imagine it's just a linear regulator.
[0:14] <chaoshax> It will just fry.
[0:14] <SpeedEvil> It's a wierd linear regulator with a maximum voltage of 5.5V
[0:14] <Jimmy06> F3
[0:15] <jcdutton> Ok, 5.5V limit it is
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[0:17] <plugwash> the more worrying issue is we don't know how much voltage the SOC can stand on it's "battery" pin
[0:17] <jcdutton> F3, that does not self-reset does it
[0:17] <plugwash> which is connected directly to the main 5V rail
[0:17] <SpeedEvil> That too.
[0:18] <plugwash> iirc all the "fuses" are polyswitches which will self-reset when they cool down
[0:18] <ReggieUK> yup
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: but the way the input is specced - it's not guaranted the device will work after the fuse trips
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> At best (from memory) the fuse will trip at about 8V
[0:19] <chaoshax> Just get a ubec
[0:20] <SpeedEvil> If the supply can provide 8V@900mA or so, it may well burn out the zener, without tripping the fuse
[0:20] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, indeed, the overvoltage protection circuit is rather crude and won't trip until things are well beyond the components ratings
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[0:20] <plugwash> so while it will probablly stop your Pi being destroyed it's certainly not gauranteed to
[0:20] <SpeedEvil> The fuse will prevent stuff catching fire - probably
[0:20] <SpeedEvil> some of the time.
[0:20] <SpeedEvil> That's about all
[0:21] <jcdutton> Thats OK. If I box this thing, I will add a regulator protecting it, and then I can run it using standard laptop PSUs.
[0:22] <plugwash> If you are going to run it off a laptop PSU make sure you use a switching regulator
[0:22] <plugwash> or you will have created yourself a massive cooling problem
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> Or just a decent USB PSU
[0:24] <Tachyon`> hrm, yeah, laptop psus are ~18v as a rule
[0:24] <Tachyon`> you'd really be better off using something closer to 5
[0:24] <blkhawk> or use something lie this inline: http://www.suntekstore.com/goods-14002074-lm2596s_dc-dc_step-down_adjustable_power_supply_module.html
[0:24] <blkhawk> :)
[0:25] <blkhawk> I just tested it and it actually performs to spec
[0:25] <ReggieUK> those do look very tidy blkhawk
[0:25] <blkhawk> ya
[0:25] <ReggieUK> I bet they're all over ebay too
[0:26] <ReggieUK> fRREEEEE shipping!
[0:26] <blkhawk> the little step-up ones were not relyable
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[0:26] <blkhawk> it has some battery charging functions build in
[0:27] <jcdutton> blkhawk, That is a good one.
[0:27] <blkhawk> cannot recommend tthis one:
[0:27] <blkhawk> http://www.suntekstore.com/goods-14003983-5pcs_solar_boost_dc-dc_3v-5v_adjustable_power_supply_module.html
[0:28] <blkhawk> i tested 2 of 5 and they do not erform the same
[0:28] <SpeedEvil> low efficiency?
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[0:28] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/fr054-dual-usb-protected-mobile-power-board-cob-134286
[0:28] <SpeedEvil> in principle looks interesting
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[0:30] <blkhawk> well the first one darws a lot of power when nothing is connected (.1A)
[0:30] <blkhawk> the second one just lets input voltage through to output
[0:30] <blkhawk> but i damaged that one when removing the usb
[0:30] <jcdutton> blkhawk, maybe build quality is not great?
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[0:31] <blkhawk> jcdutton: i can't say that there are visible faults
[0:32] <blkhawk> it looks machine sooldered
[0:32] <jcdutton> blkhawk, but the lm2596s were ok?
[0:32] <jcdutton> blkhawk, the 3v-5v one being the problem ones?
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[0:34] <ReggieUK> oh yeah, I almost forgot
[0:34] <ReggieUK> the voltage on that rs psu wasn't stable either
[0:34] <ReggieUK> it wobbling up and down by 50mv
[0:34] <Syliss> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/micro-usb-female-to-micro-male-female-adapter-cable-for-blackberry-9900-black-30cm-107901
[0:34] <blkhawk> jcdutton: yes
[0:35] <blkhawk> tried a third one
[0:35] <blkhawk> it shorts out right away
[0:35] <Syliss> i think I'm going to buy that for my lap dock
[0:35] <jcdutton> ReggieUK, how stable does the PSU for the RPI need to be?
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[0:35] <ReggieUK> given all the other issues I want it stable full stop
[0:35] <ReggieUK> none of my other PSUs wobble
[0:35] <ReggieUK> oh and this isn't my rs psu, it's my dads
[0:35] <blkhawk> jcdutton: the lm2596 one is only downstepping voltage not upstepping - it should have high efficiency tho
[0:35] <ReggieUK> I've sorted out my power
[0:36] <jcdutton> ReggieUK, it's probably a switch mode psu, they only function properly under the correct load.
[0:37] <ReggieUK> you mean connected to the pi that it was recommended for?
[0:37] <ReggieUK> that it was plugged into while I measured tp1/tp2?
[0:38] <jcdutton> ReggieUK, no. Connect the + and - using a correctly valued resistor, and then apply a volt meter to it.
[0:38] <ReggieUK> are you mental?
[0:38] <ReggieUK> it was a product that is just supposed to work with the PI!
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[0:39] <SpeedEvil> 50mv should not really be an issue at all
[0:39] <jcdutton> ReggieUK, I thought you were trying to measure it with a volt meter
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[0:39] <ReggieUK> I measured it with a dmm
[0:40] <plugwash> meh, it's only powering digital electronics and most of that isn't being powered directly
[0:40] <jcdutton> ReggieUK, when calibrating switch mode PSUs, you have to put a fixed value resistor across the output in order to get a sensible reading.
[0:40] <ReggieUK> the issue was that it was running at 4.75v with a powered hub, the wobbly part intrigued me but the 4.75v bit was the part that made me tell my dad to send it back
[0:40] <plugwash> so 50mv of ripple probablly isn't too big a deal
[0:40] <ReggieUK> just not good enough
[0:40] <plugwash> mmm, undervoltage is indeed a problem
[0:41] <TrickierStinky1> does any know if it's possible to get a female to female 3.5mm splitter?
[0:41] <ReggieUK> did you try google or ebay?
[0:41] <plugwash> TrickierStinky1, OOI what for exactly?
[0:42] <TrickierStinky1> just for for a audio experiment i want one input but two outputs
[0:42] <Syliss> is there a chan for rpi modding?
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[0:45] <ReggieUK> not as far as I know Syliss
[0:45] <Syliss> kk
[0:46] <Syliss> ugh i wonder when the A will come out
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[0:46] <jcdutton> Trickierstinky, why not get a male to 2 female one?
[0:47] <jcdutton> Trickierstinky, or just connect it to an amp with multiple outputs
[0:47] <Trickierstinky> it's coming from a MIC so would need if a min. female to 2x male
[0:48] <Trickierstinky> ahh never thought of that
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[0:48] <Trickierstinky> just I'd imagine that the amp route would be costier of the options
[0:49] <jcdutton> Trickierstinky, I don't think you can use split cables for mic inputs. Only for line outs.
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[0:50] <Trickierstinky> Boooo! Back to drawingboard
[0:50] <ReggieUK> you certainly won't get stereo out of it if that's what you're trying to achieve
[0:50] <ReggieUK> twin-channel mono!
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[0:51] <jcdutton> Trickierstinky, there certainly is no such option with XLR
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[0:52] <Trickierstinky> so how do these acheive it I've people use these for game vlogs where they are still able to chat on Xbox live and record thier voice on say a mac? http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/xbox-gaming-headsets/ear-force-x12.aspx
[0:54] <ReggieUK> because everything is built into the headphones or dealt with via usb
[0:56] <plugwash> I don't see any real reason why you can't split a mic signal, it's probablly not ideal from a signal quality perspective but it should work
[0:57] <jcdutton> Something to do with the power to the mic
[0:57] <Trickierstinky> Okay, so maybe a better question to ask is how could I achieve something similar but intead of a mic its sound thats being outputted from the pi audio port
[0:57] <plugwash> mmm, powered MICs would require a little more care
[0:58] <plugwash> you'd have to be careful that you didn't end up with two power sources in conflict or at least that if power sources were in conflict they could tolerate it
[0:59] <jcdutton> Trickierstinky, for sound being output from the pi audio port, you can use any normal splitter cables.
[1:00] <jcdutton> Trickierstinky, no "power" problem with line-outs
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[1:01] <jcdutton> Trickierstinky, Just google "3.5 mm headphone splitter"
[1:02] <Trickierstinky> ahhh right that's cool so be able to send output from pi to say two computers or even two sets of speakers or mix?
[1:02] <jcdutton> Yes.
[1:02] <Tachyon`> ahh
[1:02] <Tachyon`> you may encounter problems, it depends, headphone splitters are for two pairs of headphones, not two random devices particularly, it'd probably work but you might find the levels are off on one device
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[1:03] <Tachyon`> additionally, this is going to be a long hour, it has 3601 seconds in it
[1:03] <ReggieUK> awesome
[1:03] <ReggieUK> every second counts apparently
[1:03] <Tachyon`> aye, a leap second, first one in however many years, lol, I only remember one other
[1:03] <ReggieUK> I wonder what number they're upto?
[1:04] <Trickierstinky> thanks for the hel guys
[1:04] <Trickierstinky> help*
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[1:06] <jcdutton> Trickierstinky, Another option could be sending the audio over ethernet in RTP packets, for example.
[1:06] <micha_> hi, i'm using the newest debian beta. audio do not work properly. when i start mp3-decoder, audio plays ok a while, then cut off. mp3-decoder is then still showing all new song information. after twenty minutes rpi freezes and i have to restart the system again. i also tried apt-get upgrade and rpi-update. problem not solved yet.
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[1:18] <micha_> hi, i'm using the newest debian beta. audio do not work properly. when i start mp3-decoder, audio plays ok a while, then cut off. mp3-decoder is then still showing all new song information. after twenty minutes rpi freezes and i have to restart the system again. i also tried apt-get upgrade and rpi-update. problem not solved yet.
[1:18] <ReggieUK> try a different player?
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[1:22] <micha_> ReggieUk: do you have an alternative?
[1:22] <mervaka> to answer the above question re headphone splitters
[1:22] <ReggieUK> not that I've tried on the pi no
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[1:23] <mervaka> you'll have more problems splitting actual headphones than plugging in high impedance line ins. headphones will be of a lower impedance, and draw more power
[1:23] <micha_> i do not have headphone spitters. audio goes over hdmi
[1:23] <ReggieUK> that answer wasn't for you micha_ :)
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[1:24] <ReggieUK> mervaka was answering a question that was asked before you got here
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[1:24] <micha_> :O
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[1:30] <WASDx> The heat of my usb-controller is just at the verge of pain if you touch it for a while
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[1:30] <WASDx> anyone know how much that is? Don't have the means to measure it
[1:30] <mikey_w> Don't touch it, problem solved.
[1:30] <WASDx> temperature
[1:30] <ReggieUK> good call mikey_w!
[1:31] <CeilingKitten> they are tested and rated at much higher temperatures
[1:31] <ReggieUK> that's probably the funniest question I've heard today
[1:32] <CeilingKitten> but if you really feel insecure about it, some people have put mini heatsinks on, but again recommend not touching them lol
[1:32] <ReggieUK> how much pain can you cope with?
[1:32] <mikey_w> Heat equals resistance. Probably a faulty connector.
[1:32] <ReggieUK> they all run warm at about 50c
[1:32] <Tachyon`> my pandora gets very warm if I put a demanding USB device on (like a 3G dongle)
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[1:33] <Tachyon`> works fine though
[1:33] <ReggieUK> that's idling
[1:33] <CeilingKitten> the voltage regulator near the micro usb runs at like 40 degrees, the cpu at 50 and the ethernet/usb at about 56
[1:33] <mikey_w> 2.5 watts has to go somewhere.
[1:34] <CeilingKitten> there is infrared pics online if you want to check them out
[1:34] <ReggieUK> a lot of it will be lost in the linear regulators
[1:37] <CeilingKitten> i got a nice 2 port usb wall charger 2.1A split im hoping it can power the pi and a hub all at once
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[1:40] <`z> heh
[1:40] <`z> raspberry pi water cooling
[1:41] <CeilingKitten> ^ lol i saw a guy on facebook talking about oil submerge raspberry pi in a mini fish tank
[1:41] <Milos|Netbook> lol
[1:41] <mervaka> lolwut
[1:44] <Jimmy066> meh 3ms ping threw lan
[1:44] <CeilingKitten> thats horrible
[1:44] <CeilingKitten> ping on lan should be 0ms xD
[1:44] <Jimmy066> thats what this pi gets
[1:45] <CeilingKitten> idk my computers pinging through work fine, i have a 5 port switchbox though >.>
[1:45] <CeilingKitten> idk if a switch is faster
[1:45] <Jimmy066> faster then what ?
[1:45] <CeilingKitten> a router lol
[1:45] <Jimmy066> whos using a router ?
[1:45] <bnmorgan> any advantages to the puppi thing
[1:45] <CeilingKitten> switch doesnt have all the rules and filters
[1:46] <CeilingKitten> >.> prolly you unless you are directly connected pi to pc
[1:46] <Jimmy066> does the switch thats built into a router
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[1:46] <Jimmy066> im connected a a 10/100/1000 Switch
[1:46] <CeilingKitten> ah o-o
[1:46] <CeilingKitten> 3ms is bad on lan though isnt it?
[1:47] <Jimmy066> yes everything else is under or @ 1ms
[1:47] <Jimmy066> clearly its the Pi
[1:47] <`z> i have my rpi in a small cardboard box in my TV cabinet
[1:47] <`z> beside my NAS
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[1:47] <CeilingKitten> >.> well if your pi is going to be portable and its been ported to arm you could use dnsmasq and polipo, to cache dns and website files.
[1:48] <CeilingKitten> might make the web better, but lan would still be meh
[1:48] <Jimmy066> i dont understand why it cant handle a ping command to be honest
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[1:48] <CeilingKitten> im using samba shares >.> but i heard samba is like 35mb/s and NFS it like 95mb/s so im prolly gonna switch.
[1:48] <CeilingKitten> ill ping mine now
[1:49] <Jimmy066> you heard wrong
[1:49] <Jimmy066> i transfer on samba at 85 - 96 Mbps
[1:49] <CeilingKitten> ping for me is 0.569 ms for me
[1:49] <`z> holy crap
[1:49] <Jimmy066> not on a pi of course
[1:50] <hotwings> i xfer files at 90MB/sec using samba no prob
[1:50] <CeilingKitten> i prolly read something outdated then, but NFS is better from what i gathered >.>
[1:50] <Jimmy066> when you get that fast the issue is the HDD write speed lol
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[1:51] <Milos|Netbook> You guys better all be ready for the leap second in 11 minutes.
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[1:51] <hotwings> nfs is faster in _some_ circumstances and its far more capable when youre talking about a lot of users and you need a wide variety of settings
[1:51] <Jimmy066> i leaped 2u ago
[1:51] <CeilingKitten> ^ well im usually moving files with SATAII, drive with 32mb or 64mb cache, i havent moved alot lately though. havent broke anything recently xD
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[1:51] <bnmorgan> leap second?
[1:52] <Milos|Netbook> Yes.
[1:52] <hotwings> if you just have a lan media fileserver at home or something, youre not going to notice any difference between nfs and samba
[1:52] <Milos|Netbook> In 10 minutes UTC time will go from 12:59:59 to 12:59:60.
[1:52] <CeilingKitten> well i share all my files a mediacenter, and samba has been my may since i;ve never been big into linux. =] but couldnt hurt. nfs would keep my shares hidden from all the other windows users ^^
[1:52] <Milos|Netbook> 23 rather.
[1:53] <hotwings> windows 7 comes with an nfs client
[1:53] <Jimmy066> so can samba
[1:53] <CeilingKitten> ah >.< lol oh well
[1:53] <CeilingKitten> so i should leave it all as it is. Maybe some linux geniuses know a command i want though >.>
[1:54] <CeilingKitten> i have something called dupemerge for windows, it finds all identical files and hardlinks them, so i save space, is there a linux tool that does the same?
[1:54] <hotwings> i just got in and didnt read the scrollback so im not even sure what youre trying to accomplish :)
[1:54] <CeilingKitten> the one i have only works on ntfs
[1:54] <SpeedEvil> CeilingKitten: I made a tribial script with md5sum to do that
[1:54] <SpeedEvil> I don't have it now
[1:55] <hotwings> i suppose you could just write a small script to do that using md5sum like SpeedEvil said
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> I assume there are 'proper' scripts
[1:55] <hotwings> for that matter theres probably already scripts to do it anyways
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> you want to avoid zero size files
[1:56] <CeilingKitten> its something i could accomplish with basic scripting knowledge though right?
[1:56] <hotwings> `find` is a powerful tool. its worth learning how to use
[1:56] <hotwings> yup, easily CeilingKitten
[1:57] <CeilingKitten> i wrote my own wget command to update my No-IP.org =] so i can prolly figure other things out
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[1:57] <hotwings> what you want to do is only a handful of lines in a bash script using find, md5sum, and a couple loops
[1:58] <CeilingKitten> ^_^ all right, i shall learn how to do it
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[1:58] <CeilingKitten> thanks for the tips
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> and ln
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> Also fuser
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> you want to make sure the files are not in use before linking them
[1:59] <SpeedEvil> And you don't want to do it cross-users
[1:59] <SpeedEvil> Consider hard, not softlinks too
[1:59] <CeilingKitten> i usually run it on windows and leave the pc, to merge them while i am out, i tend to copy and move stuff and end up with double of pictures, and docs alot
[2:00] <plugwash> what you really want for this is reflinks but most filesystems don't support them
[2:00] <CeilingKitten> i think i might be better off with a tag filesystem and not worry about folders, lol
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[2:01] <CeilingKitten> i seen some neat ones for windows but java has always run hideously on windows for me O.o it runs perfect on ubuntu or mint though lol
[2:03] <CeilingKitten> so far i count 34 different distros/images/forks for raspberry pi, =] so this is great for it only being available for a bit of time
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[2:04] <mikey_w> Yes the number of distros available is mind boggling given it's time in the wild.
[2:05] <CeilingKitten> :) you guys seen berryboot? its got a menu with 4 different OS'es on the same sd card
[2:05] <CeilingKitten> and you can add even more if you like
[2:05] <mikey_w> nice
[2:05] <mikey_w> URL?
[2:06] <CeilingKitten> http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot
[2:06] <CeilingKitten> it has debian squeeze, wheezy, arch, and berryterminal which is some kind of tslp thinclient or something
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[2:11] <plugwash> if a distro already has support for a suitable arm version then it's pretty trivial to throw a Pi kernel on it and boot it on a Pi
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[2:16] <mikey_w> nice clear instructions.
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[2:18] <mikey_w> I have another super storm heading my way. Lost power for 14 hours last night.
[2:19] <UnaClocker> I'm actually building a UPS for my Pi right now.. ;) 18ah SLA should keep the thing running for a very very long time.
[2:19] <mikey_w> yes
[2:19] <plugwash> UnaClocker, for sufficiently small values of very long
[2:19] <UnaClocker> hehe, true that. ;)
[2:19] <mikey_w> My desktop lasts 14 minutes with my small UPS.
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[2:20] <UnaClocker> With one of these batteries, my little APC UPS kept my cable modem, router, switch, and wifi bridge up for 6 1/2 hours..
[2:20] <plugwash> how much does the Pi actually draw anyway?
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[2:21] <UnaClocker> Since I'm cutting out the convert to 120v 60hz AC step, I figure it'll be a bit more efficient, plus it's only the 2 watt Pi.
[2:21] <UnaClocker> plugwash: 2.1 watts or something like that, mostly due to it's inneficient/cheap voltage regulators.
[2:22] <UnaClocker> That and the USB hub/ethernet chip that gets hot enough to cook with.
[2:22] <UnaClocker> ;)
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[2:23] <ReggieUK> only if you like runny eggs
[2:23] <plugwash> yeah, that seems about right from what i'm seeing online
[2:24] <plugwash> so say 200ma at 12V with a reasonable switching converter
[2:24] <plugwash> your battery should give you about 90 hours
[2:24] <plugwash> more if you don't have ethernet, less if you have USB perhipherals drawing power too
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> My UPS lasts 24h
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> It's an ebuyer one I bought for 20 quid.
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> But it is sitting on a 100Ah 12V battery.
[2:25] <UnaClocker> hehe, nice.. :)
[2:26] <UnaClocker> I'm using an LM2596 voltage regulator (they're like $2 on eBay, shipped) to step the 12v from the battery down to 5v, which I'm feeding directly into the GPIO pins..
[2:26] <`z> my "UPS" is a 5000 mAh battery pack :3
[2:26] <CeilingKitten> lol, i would love a mini lcd, and a pi and my modem to be on a battery pack :o
[2:26] <CeilingKitten> 5000mah ?
[2:26] <plugwash> If you want to extend the runtime a bit you can add a second switched-mode converter and remove the 3.3V reg on the Pi
[2:26] <`z> yeah
[2:26] <CeilingKitten> isnt one double AA like half of that `z?
[2:27] <`z> CeilingKitten, it is?
[2:27] <`z> o.o
[2:27] <UnaClocker> Yeah, you can get 10 and 12ah D cell NiMH..
[2:27] <plugwash> CeilingKitten, but at a very low voltage
[2:27] <UnaClocker> I've got a 3ah AA cell..
[2:27] <`z> whoa
[2:27] <`z> but my battery pack charges while powering my rpi
[2:27] <plugwash> 5AH at 1.2V is a very different thing from 5AH at 12V
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[2:28] <CeilingKitten> how long does 1ah last? for the pi
[2:28] <UnaClocker> You can do that with AA or D cell NiMH's..
[2:28] <plugwash> CeilingKitten, 1AH at what voltage?
[2:28] <UnaClocker> CeilingKitten: Assuming 5v out, 2 hours...
[2:28] <CeilingKitten> 5v for pi
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[2:28] <plugwash> CeilingKitten, running the Pi directly off batteries is a BAD idea
[2:28] <UnaClocker> You can maintain charge NiMH while using them.. It's hard, but you can..
[2:29] <CeilingKitten> well you need a voltage regulator so you dont explode it right?
[2:29] <UnaClocker> More like implode.
[2:29] <CeilingKitten> lol
[2:29] <UnaClocker> It won't handle a brown out safely.
[2:30] <UnaClocker> I'm going to use an ATTiny to monitor the battery voltage so I can shut down cleanly when the battery is flat.
[2:30] <plugwash> CeilingKitten, right, so you have too options, linear regulator or switcher
[2:30] <UnaClocker> Cheap simple way to add an ADC to the Pi..
[2:30] <SpeedEvil> Rotary converter.
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[2:31] <CeilingKitten> i had an idea for a RPi, 3.5" lcd, in a case with 8xAA battery, but voltage would be too high, maybe if i did 4 for the rpi and 4 for the mini lcd? otherwise i would need to build some kind of circuitry
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[2:31] <plugwash> with a linear regulator input voltage must be some reasonable margin above output voltage and output current is pretty much the same (there are some losses) as input current, the result is that you end up either wasting a lot of power in the regulator or not being able to fully discharge your batteries
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> 8AA and a stepdown
[2:31] <UnaClocker> CeilingKitten: eBay, LM2596, $2 voltage regulator, very efficient too.
[2:31] <hotwings> im leary of buying components off ebay
[2:32] <SpeedEvil> http://www.suntekstore.com/goods-14002074-lm2596s_dc-dc_step-down_adjustable_power_supply_module.html
[2:32] <plugwash> with a switcher you generally need a slightly higher input voltage but the output current can be greater than the input current so the efficiency is far greater.
[2:32] <CeilingKitten> thanks i'll look into it =]
[2:32] <SpeedEvil> However.
[2:32] <UnaClocker> hotwings: eBay has become very hostile towards sellers in the past year or two. You get bad stuff, you get a refund FAST.
[2:32] <ReggieUK> hotwings, I know lots of people seem to be quite paranoid of ebay
[2:32] <ReggieUK> there are good and bad sellers out there
[2:32] <ReggieUK> I'm fine with purchasing from ebay
[2:33] <plugwash> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=1696320&CMP=KNC-GUK-FUK-GEN-SKU-MARGIN&s_kwcid=TC|13123|tsr%201-2450||S|p|9193067829
[2:33] <CeilingKitten> i've yet to have problems with ebay myself =]
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> I have purchased 500 items off ebay
[2:33] <ReggieUK> over time it works out that you can really afford a hit every now and again from a bad item and still end up on top
[2:33] <hotwings> ive bought plenty of stuff off ebay. just leary about buying electronic components from there :)
[2:33] <UnaClocker> I buy LOTS of stuff from eBay..
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> Maybe 2 have had problems, one of which wasn't resolved
[2:33] <ReggieUK> eho-china have been reliable so far for me
[2:33] <ReggieUK> ego-china I mean
[2:33] <ReggieUK> they're on ebay
[2:34] <CeilingKitten> i heard lots of memory cards on ebay are like fake firmware to hide the size
[2:34] <CeilingKitten> i usually only buy cords on ebay cuz they have a massive markup in retail stores
[2:34] <ReggieUK> yeah, that's memory cards which are pretty random and everywhere
[2:34] <SpeedEvil> CeilingKitten: Pick someone with good feedback. Then check the feedback of prior auctions of the cards
[2:34] <plugwash> yeah memory cards are an area where the scammers have discovered they can get away with it
[2:34] <hotwings> i bought stuff i didnt expect to work. for example $.99 cf->sata adapter, free shipping. what happens? a week later i get a package from hong kong and the damn thing works great
[2:35] <plugwash> because most people think the cards are fine when they first get them so they leave positive feedback
[2:35] <ReggieUK> there's good junk and bad junk on ebay basically
[2:35] <plugwash> and it's only much later than they discover that the card doesn't work right
[2:35] <SpeedEvil> Also - in the UK - UNDERSTAND THE DISTANCE SELLING ACT!
[2:35] <SpeedEvil> This is vital if buying things from buisnesses.
[2:36] <SpeedEvil> You have at least 10 days to return items for a full refund, sometimes including shipping if they don't specifically say you can't claim shipping
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[2:36] <hotwings> i dont understand how china manages to pull off some of their stuff with free shipping. theres absolutely no chance they made profit off that $.99 adapter. no way man
[2:36] <SpeedEvil> You have six months to return - for no reason - including original shipping cost if they don't mention the distance selling act.
[2:36] <ballisticpain1> Anyone an advanced Linux user? I have an odd situation I need help with.
[2:36] <SpeedEvil> ballisticpain1: Just ask the question.
[2:36] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, presumablly that only applies if they are in the UK though
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> ballisticpain1: The worst that can happen is we hunt you down, and cover you in fire ants.
[2:37] <ballisticpain1> Okay so I have a Pi
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: Or EU
[2:37] <ballisticpain1> lol SpeedEvil
[2:37] <plugwash> and if you can actually trace them
[2:37] <ReggieUK> I reckon they just have a block rate because they're simply sending sooo much stuff out
[2:37] <ballisticpain1> On my Pi, I have it autologin.
[2:37] <ReggieUK> it's coming via ship/road, so I reckon it's like dorkbot :D
[2:37] <ballisticpain1> After I type startx I also have it startup two applications.
[2:37] <ReggieUK> one big container full of china's ebay stuff every hour
[2:38] <ballisticpain1> This works well if I don't automatically startx
[2:38] <CeilingKitten> i got a wicked sony pro duo adapter that was paper thin but i put 2 8gb microsd in it for 16GB, cost me 20$ (1$ for adapter), same size stick from sony was like $100 at the time, so there is some great stuff.
[2:38] <ballisticpain1> If I put startx in ANY file that will auto start it, it will not start my two applications.
[2:38] <ballisticpain1> My applications are in my ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart file.
[2:38] <ballisticpain1> Help?
[2:39] <plugwash> are you running startx as the right user?
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[2:39] <ballisticpain1> I've placed it in my ~/.bash_profile
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[2:40] <ballisticpain1> so would that run it as the auto logged user?
[2:40] <ballisticpain1> I just thought of that as you said it.
[2:40] <ballisticpain1> Well as I rubber ducked my problem..
[2:40] <ballisticpain1> I was thinking maybe a permission because everything else is based on that particular user logging in.
[2:40] <ballisticpain1> How would I startx as my user?
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[2:42] <plugwash> if it's in your bash_profile it should be running as you.....
[2:42] <plugwash> if it's in a system startup script use su to run it as the user you want
[2:42] <ballisticpain1> su -l ?
[2:42] <ballisticpain1> su -l myuser -c startx?
[2:43] <plugwash> something like that
[2:43] <`z> weird
[2:43] <`z> i left raspbmc there for a night
[2:43] <`z> now it isn't connected to ethernet
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[2:43] <`z> meh, reboot
[2:44] <SIFTU> ballisticpain1: why not use a DM? like lightdm or lxdm?
[2:44] <ballisticpain1> dm = display manager?
[2:45] <ballisticpain1> Pretty sure I'm using one, but not sure.
[2:45] <ballisticpain1> How would I do that?
[2:45] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I installed lightdm.. Nice to be greated with a graphical login prompt.
[2:45] <UnaClocker> sudo apt-get install lightdm
[2:45] <ballisticpain1> Well I don't want a login prompt.
[2:45] <SIFTU> well if you are typing "startx" you are not using one
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[2:45] <ballisticpain1> I'm on Arch.
[2:45] <UnaClocker> I'm a Raspbian fanboi.
[2:46] <SIFTU> ballisticpain1: you can configure them to autologin as a user
[2:46] <ballisticpain1> Well I don't have to use startx from the command-line, but that is when it works. :)
[2:46] <ballisticpain1> If I let it autostart using /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile then it no longer runs my applications.
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[2:46] <SIFTU> also in your autologin are you putting a "&" after each application to background them
[2:46] <ballisticpain1> UnaClocker: I am as well.... I just needed a little more performance.
[2:46] <SIFTU> they only get executed on interactive shell logins
[2:47] <ballisticpain1> SIFTU: in the files I'm in I don't need the & at the end.
[2:47] <UnaClocker> Overclocked yet? Mine's happy at 1GHz with overvoltage at 6..
[2:47] <ballisticpain1> Wow... nice. No not yet.
[2:47] <ballisticpain1> lol
[2:47] <ballisticpain1> I might have to do that with my next one.
[2:47] <UnaClocker> ;)
[2:47] <ballisticpain1> This one is going to a demo next week so I need it to be smooth.
[2:47] <Syliss> mine is only 900mhz cause i don't want to ov yet
[2:47] <Syliss> anyone made it higher than 1ghz?
[2:48] <UnaClocker> Honestly, I haven't tried higher.. I just wanted the magic number.. 1G...
[2:48] <dmsuse> does eth0 have dhcp on startup by default or do you have to enable it?
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[2:48] <CeilingKitten> i seen a post on the raspberrypi forum about using init.d folder to create your own script that runs vnc when you login, you may be able to change that to run startx the same way?
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[2:49] <CeilingKitten> as well as your other programs
[2:49] <`z> cron on startup? heh
[2:50] <CeilingKitten> idk thats how they did it >.>
[2:50] <NucWin`> dmsuse think most distros have dhcp enabled by default
[2:50] <ballisticpain1> CeilingKitten: I'm actually starting vnc when I log in...
[2:50] <ballisticpain1> :-P
[2:50] <CeilingKitten> im new to linux so i manually start everything when i login xD
[2:50] <ballisticpain1> CeilingKitten: I'm not very new to linux, but I have been expanding my horizons rapidly with this...
[2:51] <ballisticpain1> btw it was a user issue, but I didn't do the su -l myuser -c startx thing.
[2:51] <CeilingKitten> re: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=7395
[2:51] <SIFTU> I'm pretty sure you arent using a diplay manager then
[2:52] <ballisticpain1> I linked my application (python script) into /usr/bin and called it from /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart like I was calling the programs from ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
[2:52] <CeilingKitten> i saw other guide it was how to auto run things when you login through ssh and shut them down when you logout
[2:52] <hotwings> you _dont_ need to use cron to start things on boot.. just read http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts
[2:53] <ballisticpain1> Pretty sure I am using one, but I don't always know the difference between a DM, WM, and other grapical items :)(
[2:53] <ballisticpain1> I might just need a DM and be able to get rid of the WM.
[2:53] <ballisticpain1> That'd be nice actually.
[2:53] <ballisticpain1> Lot less running then I assume.
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[2:54] <SIFTU> no a display manager has nothing to do with a window manager, other that it will start one
[2:54] <CeilingKitten> anyone have fav window managers >.> i am partial to lxde, but i tried IceWM, both are very windows-user friendly lol
[2:55] <SIFTU> lxde is technically a DE using openbox as a WM
[2:55] <CeilingKitten> i wouldnt mind some like barely there minimalist manager, ^^ like tinycorelinux on x86
[2:55] <CeilingKitten> lxde is handy though because it has the windows key function
[2:56] <CeilingKitten> win+r brings up terminal for me on ubuntu
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[2:58] <CeilingKitten> i'll prolly just run mine headless with the occasional vnc. i was thinking of a personal blog/portfolio type thing but there is many servers
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[2:59] <CeilingKitten> apache, lighttpd, cherokee, nginx, monkey>? anyone have an opinion for rpi use and minimal resources?
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[2:59] <CeilingKitten> i might use php and wordpress
[3:00] <SIFTU> it will stuggle with that
[3:00] <SIFTU> *struggle
[3:01] <CeilingKitten> ah i seen a few little ones, it be personal use only, no heavy traffic
[3:01] <SIFTU> mine stuggles displaying phpsysinfo :)
[3:01] <Cheery> hi
[3:02] <IT_Sean> hi.
[3:02] <CeilingKitten> Hello ^_^
[3:03] <UnaClocker> CeilingKitten: I've run lighttpd on my SheevaPlug for 3 years. Seemed like the best option for a weak machine. It works great.
[3:03] <SIFTU> yeah and the sheeva is about twice as powerful as the Pi
[3:04] <Cheery> I'm in the second cycle where there's a working editor in essence repository now
[3:06] <Cheery> going to implement full layouter for the coffeesipper today
[3:06] <UnaClocker> Well, has twice as much ram, and benchmarks much higher, until you use Raspbian and enable the FPU.. Then the FPU tests spank the SheevaPlug HARD..
[3:06] <Cheery> along the coffeesipper implementation, written in coffeesipper
[3:09] <SIFTU> UnaClocker: I'll check it out.. just out of interest what numbers do you get back with "openssl speed rsa -multi 1"
[3:10] <UnaClocker> SIFTU: From the Pi, or the Plug? :)
[3:10] <SIFTU> the Pi running Raspbian
[3:10] <UnaClocker> Testing..
[3:10] <SIFTU> I have a pogoplug so I know those results
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[3:12] <SIFTU> I'm thinking it should be quite a bit faster now that I read about Raspbian
[3:12] <UnaClocker> SIFTU: http://pastebin.com/S7VYhiTq
[3:12] <UnaClocker> How's it compare?
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[3:13] <SIFTU> UnaClocker: http://pastebin.com/DUvVNCg4
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[3:13] <SIFTU> very nice.. is yours overclocked?
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[3:13] <UnaClocker> Yeah, 1GHz
[3:14] <UnaClocker> heh, sweet.
[3:15] <blkhawk> i don't think the raspberry is much slower than the shevaplug
[3:15] <SIFTU> blkhawk: its a lot slower for me
[3:15] <blkhawk> I ran motion and it showed a higher cpu load on my dockstar than on the RPI
[3:15] <blkhawk> i run hardfp tho
[3:15] <SIFTU> but I'm using the debian image
[3:15] <blkhawk> ah
[3:15] <blkhawk> try the raspbian one
[3:16] <blkhawk> its debian ad everyhing is compiled with hardfp support
[3:16] <SIFTU> yeah I just read about it
[3:17] <SIFTU> I really havent had time to look at the pi much, just got it 2 days ago
[3:18] * plugwash wonders if raspbian is the craziest project he has ever got involved in
[3:18] <blkhawk> why is it crazy?
[3:18] <UnaClocker> I don't understand why the RPi foundation is snubbing Raspbian and doing their own softFP Wheezy distro.
[3:19] <SIFTU> sounds really good to me
[3:19] <plugwash> UnaClocker, they are just being conservative in getting the softfloat distro out first, there are plans to build a raspbian and debian images from the same scripts
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[3:19] <plugwash> it just hasn't actually happened yet
[3:19] <UnaClocker> SIFTU: I ran the "hardinfo" benchmark with softFP, and hardFP Debian, the scores are like 7x higher.
[3:20] <UnaClocker> Ahh..
[3:20] <blkhawk> erm how much more conservative than using debian can you get?
[3:21] <plugwash> blkhawk, it's crazy because of the combination of being a moving target and it's sheer size
[3:22] <blkhawk> plugwash: then there is no difference in doing hardfp right from the start
[3:22] <blkhawk> i mean it works pretty darn well
[3:22] <plugwash> rebuilding all of debian is a heck of a lot bigger project than just building an image
[3:22] <blkhawk> there is only one hardware target to support
[3:22] <blkhawk> ya
[3:22] <plugwash> which is all the foundation are doing
[3:23] <plugwash> you don't appreciate just how big a project rebuilding all of debian is until you actually try it
[3:23] <blkhawk> and at what %build packages is raspian atm? 98%?
[3:23] <plugwash> dunno, I never stopped to work it out in those terms
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[3:24] <blkhawk> anyway nn
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[3:25] <plugwash> we have 120 source packages that we have tried and failed to build and 361 that we can't build due to dependencies
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[3:26] <SIFTU> UnaClocker: I'm sold
[3:26] <UnaClocker> ;)
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[3:27] <plugwash> http://home.comcast.net/~michael.p.thompson/rpi/raspbian_build_cluster_shelf.jpg <-- our build cluster
[3:28] <UnaClocker> Is it just me, or does my Pi seem to ignore USB devices when I plug them in, even on a powered hub.. Can't get thumb drives or any WiFi adapters to work, or even show being plugged in, in the logs.
[3:28] <UnaClocker> plugwash: Sweet! :)
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[3:29] <plugwash> It's had another three nodes added since that picture was take
[3:29] <plugwash> n
[3:29] <techman2> cool plugwash
[3:29] <UnaClocker> Provides it's own cool lighting too.. :)
[3:29] <tech2077> one thing i've noticed on my pi is that my raspbmc build doesn't detect usb input if i'm booting off on nfs
[3:32] <Cheery> plugwash: why do you need such cluster?
[3:32] <plugwash> how else would one rebuild all of debian?
[3:33] <Cheery> umm..
[3:33] <IT_Sean> oooh. cluster of pi
[3:33] <IT_Sean> yum
[3:33] <plugwash> IT_Sean, the boards in the raspbian build cluster are NOT Pis
[3:34] <plugwash> we aren't that crazy
[3:34] <IT_Sean> no?
[3:34] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[3:34] <IT_Sean> :/
[3:34] <IT_Sean> WHat are they?
[3:34] <plugwash> freescale IMX53 quickstart boards
[3:34] <IT_Sean> oh.
[3:34] <Cheery> lol
[3:35] <Cheery> I wondered already why your pis have blue light in them
[3:35] <IT_Sean> Hey, if i had a rack of Pis, i'd add mood lighting. :p
[3:35] <IT_Sean> made sense to me :p
[3:36] <Cheery> angry pi owners
[3:36] <hotwings> i have a confession.
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[3:36] <hotwings> i didnt renew my 2nd rpi order :o
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[3:37] <plugwash> The Pi is unsuitable for use as an autobuilder because of the lack of ram
[3:37] <IT_Sean> I see
[3:37] <plugwash> and the lack of native sata and native ethernet are bad too, especially given the poor USB host driver
[3:39] <hotwings> it has ambitious goals though
[3:39] <Cheery> well I'm both happy and annoyed to that design
[3:39] <hotwings> you cant expect a $35 price tag and not have to make sacrifices
[3:39] <Cheery> first
[3:40] <Cheery> I'd guess there wouldn't be a good SATA controller to plug into
[3:41] <Cheery> second.. I'd guess the RAM is a temporary problem
[3:41] <IT_Sean> http://blog.ianrenton.com/tag/raspberry-tank-build-diary/?order=asc <-- featured on hackaday
[3:41] <hotwings> i would like dedicated ethernet, not usb ethernet
[3:41] <Cheery> why?
[3:41] <plugwash> Cheery, well even with the 1GB we have on the IMX boards I still consider ram to be "a problem"
[3:42] <hotwings> Cheery - you asking me why or?
[3:42] <plugwash> ideally we'd like autobuilders with four times that but right now arm boards with more than 1GB are simply not available for purchase
[3:42] <Cheery> yeah. why dedicated ethernet instead of usb ethernet?
[3:44] <plugwash> reliability is the main reason that native SATA and ethernet are desirable, USB stuff seems to have a habbit of being unreliable
[3:48] <CeilingKitten> well tonido2 plug has onboard sata, ethernet and usb
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[3:50] <CeilingKitten> its got no video outputs though so its just a wallplug computer
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[3:52] * plugwash looks
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[3:52] <plugwash> only ARMv5TE not ARMv6 and only half a gig of ram
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[3:53] <plugwash> probablly not a bad device for what it's designed for but no use as an autobuilder
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[3:54] <CeilingKitten> well arm7 is suppose to be taking over soon i think
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[3:59] <passstab> IT'S HERE!!!!!
[3:59] <passstab> :D
[3:59] <SIFTU> plugwash: I know nothng about the building of the packages.. but why cant you use x86 servers and cross compile?
[4:00] <SIFTU> or even qemu if it came to it
[4:00] <plugwash> SIFTU, because debian has neve been built that way and as such there is no requirement for packages to support being cross-compiled
[4:01] <SIFTU> ah
[4:01] <plugwash> qemu could be used I guess but it's SLOW
[4:01] <passstab> any suggestions for a minimal debian testing image?
[4:02] <SIFTU> plugwash: you could still cluster a bunch of qemu machines, and ram wont be a problem
[4:02] <plugwash> you probablly could build a build cluster out of x86 boxes running QEMU and it would solve the ram problem but I suspect you'd draw a lot more power and cost nearly as much as using arm boards
[4:02] <SIFTU> I dont know, as I said I have never bothered
[4:02] <SIFTU> plugwash: rackspace or ec2 them
[4:02] <passstab> can i go in the owners channel please?
[4:02] <SIFTU> once the build is done they are shutdown/destroyed
[4:03] <ReggieUK> passstab?
[4:03] <passstab> ya?
[4:03] <plugwash> building debian isn't a one time thing, it's an ongoing process......
[4:03] <ReggieUK> the owners channel is nothing to do with us :)
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[4:03] <passstab> oh ok, sorry
[4:03] <ReggieUK> no worries :)
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[4:04] <ReggieUK> I've never been in there myself
[4:04] <ReggieUK> don't see the point
[4:04] <ReggieUK> everyone is here :D
[4:04] <McGooch> Hello everybody
[4:04] <ReggieUK> hi
[4:04] <SIFTU> plugwash: understood, but wouldnt it be a large initial build, then just as packages are updated?
[4:05] <ReggieUK> yup
[4:05] <ReggieUK> well, in all the toolchains I've used
[4:05] <plugwash> SIFTU, yes there is a large initial build but the update-rate isn't exactly low either
[4:06] <ReggieUK> oh you're talking for debian aren't you?
[4:06] <ReggieUK> I'm going to move away from debian
[4:06] <ReggieUK> I don't need all the guff that's installed with it
[4:06] <plugwash> we are talking about the process of rebuilding debian to make raspbian
[4:06] <passstab> no minimal images?
[4:07] <CeilingKitten> ther eis a debain wheezy minimal
[4:07] <CeilingKitten> its 109MB installed i think
[4:07] <ReggieUK> that's more like it
[4:07] <UnaClocker> They're pretty minimal as is..
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[4:08] <ReggieUK> can't remember the exact size of the wheezy beta but that's definitly not minimal
[4:08] <ReggieUK> thanks for the headsup CeilingKitten
[4:08] <McGooch> Has there been any interest in doing an LFS on raspberry? That could probably get quite small
[4:08] <ReggieUK> I suppose i really should go and look for stuff sometime :D
[4:09] <ReggieUK> LFS?
[4:09] <CeilingKitten> www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/debian-wheezy-raspberary-pi-minimal-image/
[4:09] <mute> linux from scratch
[4:09] <CeilingKitten> i havent tested it myself yet and no clue how often it will update
[4:09] <CeilingKitten> i heard slitaz is lightweight-ish
[4:09] <McGooch> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/
[4:09] <plugwash> Most people i've taked to seem to a agree that linux from scratch is a good learning experiance but not really a practical option for systems that will actually be used
[4:09] <passstab> CeilingKitten, bad link
[4:10] <plugwash> much better to let someone else do the hard work of ensuring that updates fit together
[4:10] <CeilingKitten> loads perfect for me
[4:10] <CeilingKitten> >.>
[4:10] <ReggieUK> plugwash, it depends what you need really
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[4:10] <ReggieUK> openwrt would be good in that instance, start small and pick and choose
[4:10] <ReggieUK> the debian images start big
[4:11] <ReggieUK> so it depends what your end use is for the pi
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> wheezy minimal : Features include:
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> A minimal Debian Wheezy installation (similar to a netinstall) instead of the outdated Squeeze packages
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> Disabled incremental updates, means apt-get update is much faster
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> Workaround for a kernel bug which hangs the Raspberry Pi under heavy network/disk loads
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> A custom 3.1.9+ kernel with latest raspberry pi patches
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> Latest version of the firmwares
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> Lower GPU ram usage (32MB) by default
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> 224MB of ram are available to the system now
[4:11] <ReggieUK> if you're building a tank controller, you don't really care much for scratch or X
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> A very tiny 107MB image: even with a 2GB SD there is a lot of free space
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> ssh starts by default
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> The clock is automatically updated using ntp
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> IPv6 support
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> Just 7MB of ram usage after the boot
[4:11] <CeilingKitten> re: http://files2.linuxsystems.it/wheezy_20120608.img.7z
[4:11] <ReggieUK> CeilingKitten, stop spamming please
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[4:11] <CeilingKitten> i can upload it if you like pass-stab
[4:12] <CeilingKitten> sorry reggie >.> i didnt think it would be split into so many posts,
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[4:12] <SpeedEvil> CeilingKitten: neat
[4:12] <McGooch> Yes, I think it depend on what your usage is. If you dont need it continually updated then it could make a lot of sense
[4:13] <ReggieUK> the bullet points and the fact that they were on seperate lines should've given you a clue
[4:13] <ReggieUK> just sayin... :)
[4:14] <CeilingKitten> wont do it again >..> i'll type it shorthand lol
[4:15] <passstab> CeilingKitten, thanks , this uses rasbian right?
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[4:18] <CeilingKitten> passtab , im not sure it says debian wheezy, so i dont think its raspbian
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[4:19] <passstab> i assume it is because it says armfh
[4:20] <UnaClocker> Call me goofy, but I swapped my red power LED on my Pi for a blue one.. ;)
[4:20] <UnaClocker> It looks better.
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[4:24] <CeilingKitten> lol
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[4:25] <linuxdoc66> hello everyone
[4:25] <McGooch> hi
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[4:26] <ReggieUK> raspbian is debian with hard float :D
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[4:27] <CeilingKitten> ah i dont know what hard or soft float is ?
[4:27] <CeilingKitten> i assume hard is better? since people are compiling for it
[4:27] <UnaClocker> Any math done with a decimal point..
[4:28] <UnaClocker> hard float means theres hardware to do that kind of math, FAST.. soft means it's emulated in software, takes forever.
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[4:29] <linuxdoc66> Excellent description, UnaClocker
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[4:30] <UnaClocker> Thanks.. been playing with microcontrollers for awhile.. :) Sometimes it hurts when you don't have hardware to do the math..
[4:33] <mpthompson> Raspbian code uses both hardware floating point instructions and uses the hard float ABI where floating point parameters to function calls are passed in floating point registers. The ABI is an important distinction because it is what makes soft float code incompatible with hard float code. It's possible rebuild soft float code with hardware floating point instructions, but using the soft float ABI and pass floating point val
[4:34] <mpthompson> The best description of how it all works and why there is a need for Raspbian can be found here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort
[4:37] <CeilingKitten> ah, more reading/learning, well glad that some of you find the minimal image useful, i figured it be a nice barebones base to build off, but i didnt realize it was specialized
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[4:54] <oldtopman> Anyone here who has Debian installed with bluetooth/analog audio working?
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[5:02] <passstab> i guess not :D
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[5:15] <passstab> a rasbian image is incompatible with standard debian, right?
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[5:32] <MIG-> has anyone here played/looked at the linux kernel gpio source for the raspberry pi ?
[5:32] * JMichaelX is now known as HatredForNascar
[5:32] <patriotik> I've looked into it a little bit. Not extensively.
[5:33] <MIG-> I just turned on the gpio printk's that are in the source.
[5:33] <MIG-> Jul 1 04:29:16 raspberrypi kernel: bcm2708_gpio: bcm2708_gpio_set cb8b5c30 (16=0)
[5:33] <MIG-> Jul 1 04:29:16 raspberrypi kernel: bcm2708_gpio: bcm2708_gpio_set cb8b5c30 (16=1)
[5:33] <MIG-> that above gpio gets switched > 20 times a second
[5:33] <MIG-> curious as to what it is
[5:33] <patriotik> Hmm.
[5:34] <MIG-> A little context. I was looking in to if the Raspberry Pi could support PWM.
[5:35] <MIG-> I might have tunnel vision, but it seems like a clock of sorts
[5:35] <patriotik> I think one of the GPIOs is for PWM
[5:35] <patriotik> GPIO18?
[5:36] <MIG-> Ya, I have set that pin to PWM mode or what not and hooked up a multimeter
[5:36] <MIG-> it's pretty cool
[5:36] <MIG-> I can get 0 - 3.5 v out of it
[5:36] <MIG-> depending on the value that I write
[5:36] <patriotik> Have you had the chance to look at the output with an oscilloscope?
[5:37] <patriotik> The sample and hold function of the meter might just interpret fast PWM as a DC value.
[5:37] <MIG-> no, I can set, and maintain, a voltage until I switch it
[5:37] <MIG-> maybe
[5:37] <patriotik> Oh, I see.
[5:37] <MIG-> I don't have an oscilloscope
[5:37] <MIG-> but it just seems like I am setting that pin to a voltage and it holds that voltage, but hmm, you raise a good point
[5:38] <mikey_w> What does ab AC measurement show you?
[5:38] <MIG-> I have also connected a motor that accepts a pulse width (servo).
[5:38] <MIG-> ab AC measurement ?
[5:38] <patriotik> an*?
[5:38] <mikey_w> AC voltage.
[5:38] <MIG-> oh ok
[5:38] <MIG-> umm, would have to set it up again. 1 second
[5:39] <MIG-> I'm using tp2 as ground on the board
[5:39] <MIG-> just a side note
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[5:41] <MIG-> 1.03
[5:42] <MIG-> is what ac reads
[5:42] <MIG-> when dc reads 1.6
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[5:43] <patriotik> Yeah, kind of tough to troubleshoot with a meter : /
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[5:44] <MIG-> k
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[5:44] <mikey_w> Therefore it has a large AC component. Pulsating DC.
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[5:45] <MIG-> well, I have a servo that I connect as well. I had the servo working on an Arduino and an MSP430 launchpad
[5:45] <patriotik> You'd think so, yeah?
[5:45] <MIG-> was then trying to "port" the servo code to the pi
[5:45] <mikey_w> Now attach a speaker.
[5:46] <MIG-> hmm, servo sounds like a speaker
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[5:46] <MIG-> weird noises coming from it :)
[5:46] <MIG-> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/ <-- claims of pwm working
[5:47] <MIG-> don't know if you have seen that project/code
[5:47] <MIG-> I'm not convinced that the code actually does pwm
[5:48] <mikey_w> You need to borrow an O-scope.
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[5:49] <MIG-> I can make that happen
[5:49] <mikey_w> Maybe a frequency meter.
[5:50] <patriotik> Those cheapie e-bay USB oscopes are better than nothing for low frequency stuff.
[5:50] <mikey_w> yes
[5:50] <MIG-> k
[5:50] <mikey_w> This is definitely low frequency.
[5:50] <Xark> Or for audio frequencies, perhaps PC audio in? I think there is even a poor-mans scope app.
[5:51] <MIG-> lol, plugged in head phones to audio, trying that now
[5:52] <Xark> Might not want to put them in your ears, but that is an interesting idea. :)
[5:52] <mikey_w> Yes you can use an audio card as a poorman's o-scope and spectrum analyzer.
[5:53] <MIG-> Are there any pwm libraries/examples for the raspberry pi ?
[5:53] <mikey_w> don't know.
[5:53] <MIG-> Better question, is the Raspberry Pi capable of hardware assisted pwm.
[5:54] <mikey_w> ???
[5:54] <MIG-> I could imagine creating a kernel module to do pwm with timers for a low level pwm.
[5:55] <MIG-> I don't understand why everyone says that pin 18 is pwm pin. From my limited experience it is an analog pin (in that I can vary the voltage from 0-3.3v), and maybe the GPIO pin 18 switches faster than the other pins?
[5:55] <MIG-> But I wouldn't consider it a pwm pin unless I could tell the hardware to create the duty cycle wave on/off separate from running the common from the main processor.
[5:55] <patriotik> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
[5:56] <patriotik> Section 9.3
[5:56] <patriotik> Might be useful to you.
[5:56] <MIG-> I would assume that any GPIO pin could be used to create a PWM
[5:56] <MIG-> k
[5:56] <patriotik> Keep in mind: The GPIO pins on the Broadcom do not always correspond to the GPIO pin IDs on the header on the RPi
[5:57] <MIG-> k
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[6:20] <bnmorgan> what's the correct terminal command to properly shutdown?
[6:20] <bnmorgan> without borking the sd card again
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[6:21] <adammw111> Any ideas on the best way to go about an RMA from RS? The Pi is still turning off even with a stable 5V supply...
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[6:25] <adammw111> I did find http://authenticate.rsdelivers.com/staticfiles/28/returnsform.pdf but don't I have to notify them before I send it or anything?
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[6:27] <MIG-> no clue adammw111
[6:31] <Tachyon`> how many 5v supplies have you tried?
[6:31] <Tachyon`> and exactly what is it doing?
[6:32] <bnmorgan> does shutdown -p work on pi
[6:37] <adammw111> about 5 or 6 supplies, most recently an ATX power supply providing 5.0-5.1V pretty constantly. TP1-TP2 ends up being .3-.4 V lower.
[6:39] <Tachyon`> ahh
[6:39] <Tachyon`> the regulator has a small drop across it
[6:39] <Tachyon`> this is normal
[6:39] <Tachyon`> does it reboot under load?
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[6:39] <Tachyon`> do your supplies supply a reasonable (>=700mA) amount of current?
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[6:46] <adammw111> Tachyon`: what do you mean by "under load"?
[6:47] <Tachyon`> erm
[6:47] <Tachyon`> I mean, does it reboot when it's particularly busy
[6:47] <Tachyon`> or just at random
[6:47] <adammw111> I've tried two USB chargers that are rated at 1A, and the ATX supply I tried should easily be able to handle the current draw.
[6:47] <Tachyon`> did you haev something else connected to the ATX supply when you attempted to power teh pi with it
[6:48] <adammw111> I also measured the current, about 200-300mA
[6:48] <adammw111> Yes, a cd drive
[6:48] <Tachyon`> I'd use an old hard disk but I suppose a cd is probably enough load
[6:48] <adammw111> reboot at random, perhaps when under less load as it appears to be just after or during boot.
[6:48] <Tachyon`> some of the dodgier chinese ATX supplies fluctuate when the output is very low power
[6:49] <Tachyon`> if you gently tap the main chip while it's running do you get a reboot?
[6:49] <Tachyon`> just wondering if it's a BGA issue
[6:49] <Tachyon`> not that you'd be able to fix that, I'm just curious
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[6:49] <Tachyon`> also, do not send it back to RS until they give you an RMA number or they'll lose it and you'll be out of pocket
[6:50] <adammw111> haven't tried that not sure - can't test it now not at home, but if it was I'd assume that it would be covered by the RMA
[6:50] <adammw111> I sent off RS an email but no idea if they'll get it /read it.
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[6:53] <adammw111> by the way, which regulator causes the drop over TP1-TP2 vs USB input voltage? Do you know what the standard drop is, I wonder if the drop is higer than usual?
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[7:00] <MIG-> adammw111: I can measure mine if that helps you
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[7:34] <tech2077> i need to check the current draw of a ftdi chip
[7:35] <tech2077> want to add one to my rpi
[7:35] <tech2077> the logo is pretty and all, but it wasted space where a ftdi chip could go
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[7:38] <Xark> tech2077: < 20ma (was just looking at this). :)
[7:38] <tech2077> nice
[7:38] <tech2077> this should go well
[7:38] <Xark> ...actually that was USB2Serial (same deal with 8u2, like Uno).
[7:38] <tech2077> ah
[7:39] <Xark> I can try FTDI, but I suspect it is the same. The LEDs are the main draw I bet. :)
[7:39] * Xark 's power supply has a current reading, so it is easy to test A/B...
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[7:45] <Xark> tech2077: FTDI Friend (http://www.adafruit.com/products/284) is less power than USB2Serial (but usb2serial is like 2x as fast - more efficient driver or something). Around 10ma (my supply shows .XXA and my test breadboard is .04A standalone, .06A with USB2Serial and .05A with FTDI friend - but flickering to .04A).
[7:46] <Xark> (FTDI friend has no power LED - USB2Serial has s bright one)
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[7:49] <Xark> tech2077: Did you notice FTDI selling special "Raspberry Pi" cables? Basically same as their regular cable AFAICT, except three individual .1 connectors instead of the normal 1x6. :) http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/RPi.htm
[7:49] <Xark> tech2077: This product is a bit more interesting -> http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Modules/RPi.htm
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[8:15] <tech2077> Xark, interesting
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[9:34] <CruX|> hello I want to execute QT app on rpi
[9:34] <CruX|> is it better to use x server or framebuffer device ?
[9:34] <CruX|> e.g. Xorg has acceleration for rpi cpu ?
[9:37] <rm> it doesn't
[9:37] <rm> but can you easily make Qt output directly to a framebuffer without Xorg?
[9:38] <rm> I doubt it would be any faster even if that's supported
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[10:08] <Arch-RPi> hey all....what was the command again to test the sd card speed?
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[10:32] <Xark> Arch-RPi: hdparm -tT /dev/mm<tab>
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[10:40] <Ben-> hello
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[10:41] <Ben-> stupid question: how do I "press" "ok" and "exit" options in the wheezy configuration dialogs?
[10:42] <Ben-> I can navigate with the arrow keys, but when I press enter, the cursor jumps down to command line (but without accepting commands)
[10:42] <Xark> Ben-: Like tab to select and space?
[10:42] <Xark> (or enter...)
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[10:43] <Ben-> enter and space dont work
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[10:52] <Xark> Ben-: Yikes, sorry, I guess that wasn't the dialog type I am familiar with. No prompts or anything?
[10:52] * Xark hasn't upgraded to Wheezy yet, probably next weekend...
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[10:55] <Ben-> well I mark "<OK>" and press enter. then the cursor jumps down and and "_" blinks on a black screen, nothing happens anymore.
[10:55] <Ben-> i can type letters and they appear, but the system is more or less like "i dont give a fuck, bro"
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[10:57] <Dagger2> is that in the wheezy beta initial setup screen?
[10:57] <Dagger2> I had issues with that hanging
[10:58] <Ben-> yup it is
[10:58] <Ben-> It works until I am at ssh config
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[10:58] <Ben-> I can restart with ctrl alt del
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[10:59] <Dagger2> use ctrl+c to quit it, and then... uh, I think `sudo -i` is enough to restart it
[11:00] <Dagger2> and just avoid picking the ssh option. I /think/ it does successfully enable the server before it hangs
[11:00] <Dagger2> and if not, `update-rc.d ssh defaults` should be enough to do so yourself
[11:01] <Ben-> ctrl+c OMG master combination :D
[11:01] <Ben-> never tried that
[11:01] <Ben-> thx
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[11:06] <Ben-> ok cool ssh is working
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[11:20] <chancellorsmith_> sorry if anyone answered got disconnected - don't get me started on my macbook pro "wifi hardware not found" problem. grrr
[11:21] <haltdef> apple quality
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[11:25] <chancellorsmith_> unbelievable??? RRP of MBP about 2K, Pi RRP 30 quid. Pi Works, MBP does not.
[11:25] <chancellorsmith_> :-)
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[11:28] <gregj> seriously, that's a pathetic comparison
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[11:33] <gregj> chancellorsmith_: yeah, Pi doesn't have a wifi. Problem solved ;>
[11:33] <chancellorsmith_> if it did - it'd probably work
[11:34] <chancellorsmith_> fair point though - not a fair comparison horses for courses and all that and when the MBP works it's great. just a rather frustrating intermittent problem
[11:34] <chancellorsmith_> probably heat...
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[11:41] <gregj> how old is the mac ?
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[11:41] <chancellorsmith_> 2011
[11:41] <chancellorsmith_> actually make that 2010
[11:41] <gregj> I got one too, and it works fine. Weird.
[11:42] <gregj> do you have apple care ?
[11:42] <chancellorsmith_> plenty on google about it, 15" Processor 2.66 GHz Intel Core i7
[11:42] <gregj> because it's out of warranty
[11:42] <chancellorsmith_> unfortunately i didn't extend it
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[11:42] <chancellorsmith_> yeah - out of wrranty
[11:42] <chancellorsmith_> replacing the wifi card might do it
[11:42] <gregj> yep
[11:42] <gregj> ifixit.com
[11:42] <gregj> they'll probably have it with instructions etc
[11:43] <gregj> I always get apple care, it only makes sense if you use your mac for business, and you change it every 2-3 years.
[11:43] <chancellorsmith_> yeah - problem had stopped for ages but recently reoccured
[11:43] <mervaka> standard warranty is good enough for me.
[11:43] <chancellorsmith_> it's quite expensive - you get the 12 months for free
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[11:44] <gregj> either ifixit or go to the app store, and get an appointment with 'geniuses'.
[11:44] <gregj> but the latter will cost you more, because it is designed for people who can't fix things themselves
[11:45] <gregj> if you have a business, ??200 for 3 year warranty and support is chips
[11:45] <gregj> and stupid not to do it
[11:47] <gregj> altho, saying that - I never had major issues. And on AC they replaced keyboard and power supply on my mac, pretty much on the spot. So that's the warranty paid for itself.
[11:47] <gregj> but alternatively you can sell your mac, and use Pi instead for everything you did on the mac
[11:47] <gregj> good luck with that ;)
[11:47] <mervaka> or buy an asus laptop
[11:47] <mervaka> :)
[11:48] <gregj> and you'll have the same issues
[11:48] <chancellorsmith_> my bro in law had motherboard fail (out of warranty).. took it in and they fixed it and told him to come and collect - they then wanted 500quid??? he moaned and they agreed to charge 250
[11:48] <gregj> plus you'll have to look at a hidious laptop for quite a while
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[11:48] <mervaka> youre a right old macboy then?
[11:49] <gregj> personally I like os x, because it is both unix and nice os graphically
[11:49] <gregj> if you get assus , putting linux on it might be an issue - there's always hardware stuff that almost works, etc
[11:50] <mervaka> gregj: ever tried talking to apple over an issue with their software?
[11:50] <mervaka> as a developer
[11:50] <gregj> I'm a software engineer, ios developer, freelancer
[11:50] <gregj> I file about 5 'radars' a week on bugreporter.apple.com
[11:50] <gregj> and there's apple engineers on this irc server too ;)
[11:51] <mervaka> there's an issue with ios that allen & heath wantd fixed as a matter of urgency involving their powersaving features.
[11:51] <mervaka> they basically got told to go fuck themselves
[11:51] <gregj> I don't moan on forums, I do everything to get problem solved
[11:51] <gregj> mervaka: rrright
[11:52] <mervaka> wifi very momentarily drops out every 30m
[11:52] <gregj> I usually don't believe random strangers giving me unverified stories on irc
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[11:52] <gregj> try filing the report on the url I gave you above
[11:52] <gregj> that goes straight to engineers
[11:54] <mervaka> sure.
[11:54] <mervaka> but im just a user, not an ios developer
[11:54] <gregj> I'm sure you can file a bug report, you're on #raspberrypi, so you can tinker with shit
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[11:54] <gregj> that puts you above average joe
[11:55] <gregj> at least in terms of technological bravery
[11:55] <mervaka> i'm more a hardware guy
[11:55] <mervaka> and low level coder
[11:55] <gregj> so you should understand that coding wifi drivers is not easy
[11:55] <mervaka> still cutting my teeth on coding for an os
[11:56] <gregj> I had many issues with (beta) versions of ios, and guys were always helpful
[11:56] <mervaka> gregj: it was fine on the ipad1
[11:56] <gregj> I just didn't moaned, but rather was trying to get it resolved
[11:56] <mervaka> they introduced something that broke the app in a big way
[11:56] <gregj> apple pretty much designs every model from scrach. So there's quite few differences between each model
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[11:58] <mervaka> i need to stick this ipad in developer mode or something
[11:58] <gregj> anyway, try the bug reporter, or going to the store and talking to geniuses. The latter will be more user orientated, the former will be slower but it is picked up by engineers
[11:58] <mervaka> hm ok
[11:58] <gregj> there's no such thing as developer mode
[11:59] <mervaka> no event logs to look at?
[11:59] <gregj> developers simply upload few 'entitlements' onto it, that allow you to run apps on it that you build yourself (signing checks, etc)
[11:59] <gregj> there are logs too
[11:59] <gregj> but I think you can see those without the 'developer' stuff installed
[11:59] <mervaka> ok
[11:59] <gregj> not sure, all my devices are enabled - so I can't test it
[12:00] <gregj> ie, I don't have a device that isn't development enabled
[12:00] <gregj> but if you download xcode, and plug it in - there is a panel that lets you see the logs. At least when you are a developer
[12:00] <gregj> (but that's ??50 a year)
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[12:01] <gregj> it might still let you see logs without it, not sure
[12:01] <mervaka> yeah, i wont be buying that to debug another company's app :)
[12:01] <gregj> yeah, no point
[12:01] <mervaka> i have no interest in UI dev
[12:01] <gregj> fair enough
[12:01] <mervaka> :p
[12:02] <mervaka> if anything right now, id like access to the rpi's dsp core
[12:02] <mervaka> thatd be awesome
[12:02] <mervaka> and the i2s pins
[12:02] <gregj> can you actually access it ?
[12:02] <gregj> (dsp)
[12:02] <mervaka> not yet
[12:03] <mervaka> need more documentation
[12:03] <gregj> a lot of what's on that chip is restricted, you have to pay far more then ??50 to get access, and sign tons of ndas
[12:03] <gregj> one of the companies I do stuff for deals with that sort of thing
[12:03] <gregj> since they do a lot of embedded,
[12:03] <mervaka> cool
[12:04] <gregj> seeing the company that made the chip on the pi from that perspective, they don't seem like an open bunch
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[12:04] <gregj> but then Pi for them is nothing, no risk, no threat
[12:04] <gregj> and they can still sell the chips
[12:05] <mervaka> yeah, im not sure if im gonna see the documentstion.. ever
[12:05] <gregj> you could, but like I said - it will cost ya
[12:05] <mervaka> a*
[12:06] <gregj> alternatively, move to cambridge - where's their main UK office. And I'm sure they share it internally :)
[12:06] <mervaka> lol
[12:06] <gregj> lovely city, I lived there for year+
[12:07] <mervaka> my mate still does
[12:07] <gregj> on the expensive side tho, since most people who live there commute to london everyday, and work in the city
[12:07] <mervaka> im quite happy in cornwall
[12:08] <mervaka> slow pace of life etc
[12:09] <gregj> I'm sure its a nice place :)
[12:09] <mervaka> no real employment prospects here though for most
[12:09] <mervaka> i plan to get an r&d job at allen & heath when i graduate
[12:09] <gregj> I'm sure theres shops, etc
[12:09] <mervaka> yeah, thats about it
[12:10] <mervaka> and call centres are springing up
[12:10] <gregj> or you could always start your own business, and help the local economy :)
[12:10] <mervaka> i am
[12:10] <mervaka> i'm a freelance sound engineer
[12:10] <gregj> very good
[12:11] <mervaka> isnt a livable wage though
[12:11] <mervaka> house prices are bumped up here by retirees and second home owners
[12:12] <gregj> yeah, cornwall is a nice place
[12:12] <mervaka> and generally people who have prospored elsewhere
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[12:12] <gregj> there's no shame in moving about a bit and living in different places for a bit
[12:12] <gregj> and it helps skills and networking, which is where the most money comes from
[12:13] <mervaka> of course
[12:13] <gregj> you meet people,do shit for them, they do come back sometimes for more
[12:14] <gregj> you can always come back one day, with more money and be one of those guys :)
[12:14] <mervaka> thats generally what most people with any skills do
[12:14] <gregj> or if you want to develop your skills too
[12:15] <gregj> everyone have something they can do, but most people settle for the low hanging fruit
[12:15] <gregj> having a skill early on in life of course helps :)
[12:16] <mervaka> indeed.
[12:16] <gregj> boosts your self esteeme
[12:16] <gregj> speaking of, I need to move my fat arse and go for a walk or something :)
[12:16] <mervaka> heh
[12:16] <mervaka> i need to gt up.
[12:16] <mervaka> get*
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[12:26] <Tachyon`> any news on a real-time kernel for the pi?
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[12:37] <RITRedbeard> good morning
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[12:43] -NickServ- MABot!datagutt@static.130.149.9.176.clients.your-server.de has just authenticated as you (DataBot)
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[13:01] <gordonDrogon> good ...... (wait for it) .....
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> ... aftermorning
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[13:02] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, Not sure it's anything anyones actively working on, but there are plenty of patches, etc. for you to try if you're into building your own...
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, Devon has nicer clotted cream though ;-)
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[13:04] <gordonDrogon> gregj, I moved out of Edinburgh 25 years ago to Gloucestershire, then to several places in bristol before buying a flat there, but in that time, I spent 2.5 years in the US, back to Bristol then to Devon... I hate moving!
[13:05] * RITRedbeard blinks.
[13:05] <RITRedbeard> Warrington Collegiate have been working on getting Windows 7 (!) running on the Raspberry Pi using the VMware View Open Client.
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> what a waste of time.
[13:05] <RITRedbeard> So, yeah, we got W7 "running" on the raspberry pi because we can connect to a VM remotely?
[13:05] <RITRedbeard> What?
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> yes, waste of time.
[13:05] <RITRedbeard> What?
[13:05] <RITRedbeard> So more or less just a fancy VNC.
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> might have well used remote desktop...
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[13:08] <RITRedbeard> I haven't been paying much attention, I apologize; does Raspberry Pi have accelerated X11 now?
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> not yet.
[13:09] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: you make backwards cream teas though!
[13:09] <RITRedbeard> What's the hold up? I thought broadcom provided middleware?
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[13:09] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, backwards! The cream tea was invented in Devon! How can it be backwards!!!
[13:09] <mervaka> cream on top!
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> Aaargh!
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> or even: Aahhhhh. Hot potato, orchestra stalls, Puck will make amends.
[13:10] <mervaka> we dont do potatoes. you can have those.
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> You dolp the cream on, make a well in the middle, that then supports the jam. You use it to maximise the fat and sugar content.
[13:10] <mervaka> we do pasties though!
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> If you put jam on first, then the cream just falls off...
[13:11] <mervaka> naaaah
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> Yes, you do pasties. I'll give you that.
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[13:12] <gordonDrogon> you'd not putter butter on-top of jam, would you? Clotted cream is just a (better) butter substitute...
[13:12] <mervaka> roddas. always.
[13:12] <mervaka> isnt a cream tea without clotted cream!
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> And here, ladies and gentlemen, are 2 non natives of the South West arguing over their respective counties.. Talk about "brand loyalty" ;-)
[13:12] <mervaka> non native? :(
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> Oh, your actually Cornish?
[13:13] <mervaka> ish
[13:13] <mervaka> i am
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> Ah..
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:13] <mervaka> and my dad is
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> well, I'll let you off then :)
[13:13] <mervaka> heh
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[13:14] <mervaka> Toby warned me of your heritage :p
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> Best clotted cream comes from Scorriton Farm in Devon. 2 miles from my front door. The deliver it to me weekly. They make it with raw milk. I find Roddas to be a bit "grainy".
[13:14] <mervaka> you mean the crust?
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> no the whole pot.
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> even Langage farm stuff isn't as smooth.
[13:15] <mervaka> hmm, cant say ive tried any other clotted, so cant comment
[13:15] <mervaka> besides i havent noticed a graint texture
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> the scorriton stuff is just sold locally. they deliver it with our milk.
[13:15] <mervaka> grainy*
[13:16] <mervaka> cool
[13:16] <mervaka> i need real milk delivered again
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> Got them to deliver a 4lb tub a few weeks ago for the wedding I did..
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[13:16] <mervaka> shop milk is terrible.
[13:16] * gordonDrogon nods.
[13:16] <mervaka> full fat goodness!
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> bad for you too - according to some.
[13:16] <mervaka> meh
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough.jpg
[13:17] <mervaka> id rather die of a milk related death than smoking
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[13:17] <gordonDrogon> it's the processing that concerns me.
[13:17] <mervaka> milk or sourdough?
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> well both - but I'm meaning the milk here.
[13:17] <mervaka> :p
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> just a photo to show our nice milk too :)
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/milk1.jpg
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> knew I had another somewhere.
[13:18] <mervaka> on ipad, cant work out how to follow links
[13:19] <mervaka> (on ssh)
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> right. back to the domestics. more hoovering to do )-:
[13:20] <mervaka> me too
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> Or Dysoning, but that just doesn't sound right!
[13:20] <mervaka> bbl
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> heh.
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[13:25] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Pi+irobot
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[13:36] <mythos> nice kitchen
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[13:41] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=377
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[13:42] <Cheery> it shouldn't be hard to understand.. no matter how ugly it is now.
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[14:13] <mervaka> woop! made up my 3.5mm jack to servo adapter
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[14:15] <stueng> can anyone help me with this: http://pastebin.com/1uNmJdHh
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[14:15] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, The day a robot can hoover my stairs will be the day I retire!!!
[14:15] <stueng> this is during ./configure
[14:15] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: its called minimum wage :)
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, Hmph. the going rate round here for a cleaner is now 7.50 an hour!!!
[14:16] <mervaka> isnt far off the current minimum
[14:16] <stueng> dollars or pounds
[14:16] <mervaka> ????
[14:16] <ReggieUK> stueng, did you read config.log?
[14:16] <stueng> yes, I included it in the pastebin
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> ?
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[14:17] <chaoshax> With hdmi, am I right in thinking that you can't output sound at the same time as recording?
[14:17] <chaoshax> Becuse with my capture card, I can only record the sound.
[14:17] <chaoshax> Not output live.
[14:18] <stueng> ReggieUK: u any clue what its talking about?
[14:18] <stueng> http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=52349
[14:18] <stueng> those guys say that upgrading nvidia drivers fixes it
[14:18] <stueng> so its somethin to with opengl I guess
[14:19] <stueng> Hexxeh: u there :)
[14:20] <ReggieUK> it sounds like something is missing, or autotools is borked somehow
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[14:21] <ReggieUK> did you try compiling it as root?
[14:21] <stueng> yup
[14:22] <ReggieUK> then it doesn't look like its the nvidia issue
[14:22] <stueng> its Hexxeh's raspbian image
[14:23] <ReggieUK> explain? I thought it was xbmc you were having issues with?
[14:24] <stueng> I am trying to compile XBMC on Hexxeh raspbian image
[14:24] <stueng> http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=128288
[14:24] <stueng> that guy solved his issue by upgrading catalyst drivers
[14:24] <stueng> so, one guy with nvidia drivers, another with catalyst
[14:25] <stueng> both referring to opengl
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[14:25] <ReggieUK> well, you've tried the 'fix' and it doesn't fix it :D
[14:26] <ReggieUK> so is it anything to do with opengl or something else?
[14:26] <stueng> I have no idea :)
[14:26] <stueng> http://www.solid-run.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=613
[14:26] <ReggieUK> are you crosscompiling?
[14:26] <stueng> whats that mean sorry ?
[14:26] <stueng> crosscompiling
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[14:26] <ReggieUK> are you compling the binaries on, for instance, an X86 box using a version of gcc that can produce arm binaries?
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[14:27] <stueng> I downloaded the source tar from the PI, ran ./bootstrap on the PI and am trying to ./configure on the PI
[14:27] <stueng> so its all happening on the PI
[14:27] <ReggieUK> a no would've done :D
[14:28] <stueng> wanted to be sure I understood the question :)
[14:28] <stueng> that last link I posted, its suggested to add typedef unsigned long size_t;
[14:28] <stueng> to the .c file
[14:28] <stueng> dunno if that means anything to you
[14:28] <ReggieUK> yes it does
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[14:29] <ReggieUK> it means that someone has decided that it's easier to make the definition themselves and put it directly in a .c or .h file instead of tracking down the actual problem
[14:29] <stueng> ah right
[14:29] <ReggieUK> it's a quick and dirty way to overcome compilation issues :)
[14:30] <ReggieUK> I would suggest trying it
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[14:30] <stueng> ok, they refer to a ".c" file.. all I see is xbmc-xrandr.c
[14:30] <ReggieUK> to see if there are other bigger issues that might show up once you've fixed it
[14:30] <ReggieUK> got a link to where people are telling you to use this fix?
[14:31] <stueng> http://www.solid-run.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=613
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[14:32] <RITRedbeard> :|
[14:32] <RITRedbeard> Anyone read Wirth's 'Algorithms + Data Structures = Programs" ?
[14:33] <ReggieUK> just seems a little bit wierd stueng, size_t is part of stddef.h
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, many years ago..
[14:33] <ReggieUK> if it can't find that then there is possibly an include path issue somewhere?
[14:34] <stueng> I vaguely understand what you are saying :P
[14:34] <stueng> Im by no means a programmer
[14:34] <RITRedbeard> gordonDrogon, it's a good book with the mathematics right in your face, but PASCAL? :\
[14:35] <ReggieUK> btw. the nvidia/catalyst 'fix' has nothing to do with your issue it would appear
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, pascal was the in-thing in the late 70's early 80's ...
[14:35] <stueng> checking for size_t... yes
[14:35] <stueng> ^ I added that "fix"
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> normally you'd #include <sys/types.h> to get size_t ...
[14:36] <reider59> mmm fruit pascals
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> but that includes a lot of other stuff too.
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> RITRedbeard, I did 2 years os pascal at uny, and even did a summer job involving UCSD pascal on Apple II's ...
[14:36] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, thanks, I'm never sure where they keep stuff entirely but I do know that it's either a missing include, -I somewhere or borked autojunk
[14:36] <stueng> configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (size_t)
[14:36] <stueng> :(
[14:37] <zgreg> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/vukoz/via_kernel_modesetting_code_might_merge_soon/c57s81o
[14:37] <zgreg> nice comment.
[14:37] <ReggieUK> do ls -alh in that directory and tell me if there is an autogen.sh please?
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[14:37] <stueng> root@raspbian:~/xbmc-11.0# ls -alh | grep autogen
[14:37] <stueng> root@raspbian:~/xbmc-11.0#
[14:38] <stueng> nope
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> right. quickie shower & coffee time...
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[14:38] <ReggieUK> got a link to the source code?
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[14:39] <stueng> http://mirrors.xbmc.org/releases/source/xbmc-11.0.tar.gz
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[14:45] <ReggieUK> it seems that you need to run ./bootstrap the very first time you do a ./configure
[14:45] <stueng> yeah done that
[14:45] <ReggieUK> you can also do ./configure --help
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[14:46] <ReggieUK> and you could also try and ID where stddef.h is on your system
[14:46] <ReggieUK> then use one of the configure options to point configure towards the correct include dir
[14:47] <ReggieUK> although for something that simple, it should just find it if your pi has all of the appropriate sources already
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[14:50] <Davespice> gentlemen, does anyone know how to disable the Ethernet port of the Raspberry Pi so that it doesn't use up any current?
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[14:52] <stueng> ReggieUK: do you mean this? --includedir=DIR C header files [PREFIX/include]
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, unsolder it...
[14:53] <stueng> disable the ethernet modules?
[14:53] <Davespice> gordonDrogon: well, I would like to keep it on - so that I could use it in other configurations
[14:53] <Davespice> stueng: yes, that sounds better, how does one do that? blacklist them or?
[14:53] <stueng> no clue lol
[14:54] <stueng> but google disable modules debian or something ?
[14:54] <Davespice> or do you take it out of the /etc/network/interfaces
[14:54] <stueng> you could but I dont think that would stop it getting power
[14:54] <NucWin`> surely it uses very little power when not connected
[14:55] <Davespice> yeah, the problem I have is that I am using the Pi in a slight non standard config - I use it with a Motorol Lapdock, whith a custom Y shaped cable that I made myself
[14:55] <ReggieUK> Davespice, stueng's stuff was meant for me
[14:56] <Davespice> info here http://blogs.arcsoftwareconsultancy.com/pi/2012/06/15/a-raspberry-pi-laptop/
[14:56] <stueng> the disable modules? was for Davespice :P
[14:56] <ReggieUK> oh sorry, didn't see that bit :D
[14:56] <ReggieUK> and yes, to the --includedir=
[14:56] <stueng> ReggieUK: I am trying ./configure --includedir=/usr/linclude/inux/
[14:56] <Davespice> so it seems that there is not enough current to the USB bus if I boot the Pi with the lapdock USB bus connected as well as the Wifi adaptor
[14:56] <ReggieUK> might want to remove the l from linclude!
[14:57] <stueng> yeah I didnt make typos when I did the command :
[14:57] <stueng> )
[14:57] <Davespice> but... if I boot the Pi up with just the wifi adaptor connected and THEN connect the lapdock USB bus - it works
[14:57] <stueng> ReggieUK: ./configure --includedir=/usr/include/linux/
[14:57] <stueng> checking size of size_t... configure: error: in `/root/xbmc-11.0':
[14:57] <ReggieUK> is the wifi adapter connected directly to the pi?
[14:57] <Davespice> the problem manifests itself as messages coming from eth0 saying "cannot write to register" x00000 etc
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[14:58] <Davespice> during the bootload
[14:58] <ReggieUK> not sure what to suggest then stueng
[14:58] <stueng> have you tried removing auto eth0 from interfaces?
[14:58] <stueng> or just comment it out
[14:58] <ReggieUK> probably a question for the xbmc guys
[14:58] <sako> afternoon
[14:59] <stueng> k, thanks for trying ReggieUK
[14:59] <stueng> Hexxeh: might be able to help
[14:59] <ReggieUK> my guess is that something is broken somewhere, look for where stddef.h is actually included
[14:59] <ReggieUK> and play with the path in the file, maybe it's just getting lost in all the layers of autotools stuff
[15:01] <stueng> that quick and dirty fix that was described, do you know what should go into the .c file exactly?
[15:02] <ReggieUK> at the top somewhere
[15:03] <ReggieUK> did you try ./configure --disable-opengl
[15:03] <ReggieUK> as you're not using opengl on the pi anyway as far as I know (it would be opengles!)
[15:03] <stueng> yeah just tried that
[15:03] <stueng> same result
[15:03] <stueng> well actually I tried --enable-gl=no
[15:04] <stueng> trying -disable..
[15:05] <ReggieUK> --disable-gl
[15:05] <stueng> yup
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[15:06] <stueng> damn same thing
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[15:09] <ReggieUK> try:
[15:09] <ReggieUK> $STDC_HEADERS=1 ./configure
[15:09] <stueng> at the top of the .c file theres a bunch of includes which are commented out
[15:09] <stueng> .def files
[15:09] <stueng> I tried adding stddef into there, will try your suggestion when it fails :P
[15:10] <ReggieUK> well, stddef.h seems to be used throughout xbmc (naturally) but each of the libs also uses it in it's own configure script
[15:10] <ReggieUK> so where it's actually borked is anyones guess
[15:11] <sako> hi any know how to add printing util in debian?
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[15:12] <stueng> $STDC_HEADERS=1 ./configure results in command not found
[15:14] <ReggieUK> maybe without the $
[15:15] <stueng> ah yeh, its off again
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[15:19] <stueng> failed again ReggieUK
[15:19] <stueng> 14:17:08] <TobiasTheCommie> stueng: seriously, i think you are just missing some development libraries(or have a fucking weird libc or something like that)
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[15:19] <ReggieUK> please mind the language stueng
[15:19] <ReggieUK> no swearing on here
[15:20] <stueng> ok soz, was a copy and paste .. ill be carefull next time
[15:21] <ReggieUK> where else are you asking questions?
[15:21] <ReggieUK> but despite the swearing, he's probably right :D
[15:23] <stueng> xbmc channel
[15:23] <stueng> they given up :P
[15:23] <ReggieUK> I'm not surprised
[15:24] <stueng> damn
[15:24] <ReggieUK> are all of the relevant source files present on your system?
[15:25] <stueng> I want XBMC on an operating system, not openelec or raspbmc modified messed up OS
[15:25] <stueng> what do you mean?
[15:25] <stueng> the source I got from xbmc?
[15:25] <ReggieUK> no
[15:25] <ReggieUK> I mean the relevant source files for the version of C you're using
[15:25] <stueng> build essentials etc
[15:26] <ReggieUK> and that
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[15:26] <stueng> I think it came with C
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[15:27] <stueng> lol, Im trying to find the packages for build essentials and linux headers
[15:27] <stueng> too many results
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[15:27] <ReggieUK> post the whole output from ./configure on pastebin as well please
[15:27] <ReggieUK> as something further back probably failed
[15:28] <ReggieUK> on pastebin!
[15:28] <sraue> stueng, you dont want use a messed up OS.... but you should use XBMC for RPi not the released xbmc-eden
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[15:28] <sraue> https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc-rbp/ for example
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[15:31] <stueng> sraue: do you know how I can obtain this XBMC for RPi?
[15:33] <sraue> git clone git://github.com/xbmc/xbmc-rbp.git
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[15:34] <stueng> thnks
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[15:40] <stueng> is it common for the Pi to lock up often? seems to happen when using the NIC card heavily
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[15:45] <stueng> happened twice trying to clone that git
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[15:49] <stueng> three times
[15:49] <stueng> I cant finisht the download
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[15:54] <gordonDrogon> stueng, there are some tweaks you can put in sysctl.conf if you've not already done so..
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[15:55] <stueng> vm.min_free_kbytes = 8192
[15:56] <stueng> ill try that
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> set it to 12288
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[15:56] <gordonDrogon> sudo echo 12288 > /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> to do it without rebootin.
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[15:56] <stueng> so do both ?
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> well, try the command first, if that fixes it, then put it in /etc/sysctl.conf
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> so the next time you reboot it's pre-set.
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[15:59] <Jimmy06> Any one remember where the breakout leads to a breadboard where ?
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> in the drawer, top-left.
[16:00] <ReggieUK> ebay
[16:00] <Jimmy06> there was a site that sold them as well though
[16:00] <Jimmy06> just dont remember what it was called
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> possibly you mean these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-premium-150mm-mf-pack-of-10-p-909.html
[16:01] <Jimmy06> i think i do thats the correct site
[16:01] <Jimmy06> yeah them
[16:01] <stueng> seems to be working better
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[16:02] <gordonDrogon> back in a tick. going to prepare sunday lunch. Hogget today.
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon> right. sheep is in the oven. roast dinner is sooo hard...
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> ;-)
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[16:15] <SpeedEvil> Protip: Kill sheep first.
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> Doesn't work like lobster.
[16:16] <cehteh> not?
[16:16] <cehteh> just try :)
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[16:16] <cehteh> dont let peta watch you
[16:17] <IT_Sean> peta? People Eating Tasty Animals?
[16:19] <Walther> I cannot boot my RPi, and I can't replace the start.elf file as the SD mounts as read only on my PC.
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[16:19] <Walther> (I get the 6 led blinks on boot)
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[16:19] <Jimmy06> and you used rpi-update right
[16:19] <Jimmy06> :P
[16:21] <Walther> Jimmy06: still trying to solve the same problem, I know.
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> Walther, re-format & start again?
[16:21] <Walther> sudo mount -o rw /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1
[16:21] <Walther> ^even that doesn't let me edit the boot partition files
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> not even as root?
[16:21] <Jimmy06> i think he has it setup all ready as a server
[16:21] <Jimmy06> thats why he doesnt want to reformat
[16:22] <Walther> mmhmm.
[16:22] <Walther> I can do it, but it's extra work
[16:22] <Walther> gordonDrogon: that's sudo right there
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> Walther, yes, sudo to mount, but then you need sudo to edit/write too.
[16:22] <Jimmy06> yeah but you've spent two days with the same problem
[16:22] <Walther> veeti@corretto:~$ sudo rm -rf /media/sdb1/start.elf
[16:22] <Walther> rm: cannot remove `/media/sdb1/start.elf': Read-only file system
[16:23] <Walther> Jimmy06: well, not exactly, in a middle of renovation so there's plenty of other things to do as well :)
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> what is the output of dmesg after you mount it?
[16:23] <Walther> I'll probably accept this and download Wheezy.
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> Why Wheezy? I mean, just why? why? why?
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[16:24] <Walther> gordonDrogon: [ 420.305437] FAT-fs (sdb1): Filesystem has been set read-only
[16:24] <Walther> [ 420.305447] FAT-fs (sdb1): error, fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 19671)
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> well there's the issue. it's corrupt.
[16:24] <Walther> nnnnice.
[16:25] <Walther> Okay, wheezy it is (unless you can convince me otherwise)
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> Wheezy won't fix that for you.
[16:25] <Walther> gordonDrogon: the card should be fine
[16:25] <Walther> gordonDrogon: reformat should fix a broken table, right?
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> Walther, IT'S NOT! Can't you read the error message?
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> but yes, reformat and then copy the /boot/ files back onto it.
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> Wheezy is Debian /testing/
[16:26] <Walther> gordonDrogon: I can read it, although I do not comprehend all of it - i read that as bad fat clusters
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[16:26] <Walther> as in, a complete reformat -> should work again
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> it's for people who want to test out the next release of Debian Stable. Really for people who're prepared to submit feedback to Debian about packages that are broken and may not be working properly.
[16:26] <Walther> broken partition table != broken card
[16:27] <Walther> gordonDrogon: well, i'm pretty much of a alpha/beta guy myself, i've been using all ubuntu releases from varying levels of alphas and betas
[16:27] <Walther> i like bleeding edge
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> the partition table is probably fine. The filesystem in the fat partition is corrupted in some way - probably due to someting like power it off during a write, or ir crashing during a write or something.
[16:27] <Walther> mmhmm
[16:27] <lenz> Good day!
[16:27] <Walther> ...but yeah, the *card* is fine I guess
[16:28] <Walther> as in, no need to buy another physical medium
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> if you want bleeding edge then use Raspbian. Help them sort out the packages, etc. It's also Wheezy, but actually compiled properly for the ARM hardware.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> physically the card is probably OK.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> but you can test that easilly..
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> brb. checking my sheep.
[16:29] <lenz> Folks, I have question. How many time you had wait for dispatch?
[16:29] <Walther> ...Is it possible to have Raspbian start sshd by default like it is with the "recommended" install?
[16:30] <Walther> because I don't really have a monitor with composite or hdmi, I just ssh -Y
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> sheeps fine... :)
[16:30] <Jimmy06> the recomended install doesnt start sshd by default
[16:30] <stueng> which raspbian image are you using
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon> Walther, test the card - unmout it, then run sudo badblocks -s -c 256 /dev/sdb
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[16:32] <gordonDrogon> Walther, I don't recall if raspbian has sshd or not - I started with an early release and just kept going from there - but you just need a one-off with screen/keyboard to get sshd installed & going if it's not there.
[16:32] <stueng> my raspbian starts sshd by default
[16:33] <Walther> stueng: does it start by default in the default install?
[16:33] <stueng> I didnt think raspbian had a default install
[16:33] <stueng> Im using Hexxeh image
[16:34] <stueng> actually I might be using the wheezy beta.. I lost count now lol
[16:35] <stueng> Im using hexxeh image
[16:35] <Walther> I'll try that one...
[16:35] <stueng> Linux raspbian 3.1.9+ #138 PREEMPT Tue Jun 26 16:27:52 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[16:35] <Walther> have to go now though, thanks
[16:35] <stueng> its not gonna be difficult to start sshd
[16:36] <stueng> edit rc.d
[16:36] <stueng> or something
[16:36] <stueng> theres a file all you do is add sshd do it
[16:36] <stueng> done
[16:37] <stueng> I forget which file
[16:37] <Jimmy06> sudo update-rc.d ssh defaults
[16:39] <Peanut> Wheezy does seem a little faster, I have to say.
[16:41] <Jimmy06> if i can ever where this other 16gb card has gone ill have ti check LOL
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[16:45] <stueng> sraue: u there ?
[16:45] <stueng> http://pastebin.com/L2rCdVKJ
[16:45] <stueng> do you have a list of dependancies ?
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[17:08] <a7x> Dear customer, Having successfully passed its CE compliance testing, we can now confirm that your Raspberry Pi will be delivered by the end of June. You will receive a confirmation email prior to your Raspberry Pi being shipped.
[17:09] <a7x> Today 1st of july i didn't receive emails :\
[17:09] <Jimmy06> keep waiting then i suppose
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[17:09] <Jimmy06> Good Afternoon
[17:09] <Jimmy06> We apologise for the delay in the shipment of your order, as you may be aware we have had huge interest in this product and so we have been running a few days behind schedule but this is only a temporary delay.
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[17:10] <a7x> they didn't contact me at all...
[17:10] <Jimmy06> I contacted them
[17:10] <cehteh> they are shipping for sure .. demand is just high :)
[17:10] <Jimmy06> thats there reply
[17:11] <Jimmy06> though the day before i got the email saying its been dispatched
[17:11] * cehteh has his rpi since a few weeks as many other people have too
[17:11] <a7x> mh let's hope so
[17:12] <cehteh> are there any numbers how many devices are produced and shiped so far?
[17:12] <a7x> 15 hundred
[17:12] <a7x> (at least)
[17:13] <a7x> or 10000 units from farnell and 10000 from rs, i really don't remember well
[17:13] <reider59> Last count from Liz was about 85,000
[17:14] <a7x> reider59, source?
[17:14] <reider59> "Liz"
[17:15] <a7x> ohm ok
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[17:17] <reider59> An official count by Ebons` Mrs and she got them from the official data records about 2-3 weeks ago
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[17:20] <cehteh> so, approaching 100k soon .. and still much much demand
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[17:22] <SpeedEvil> yow
[17:22] <reider59> I think estimates were 150,000 by the end of july
[17:22] <reider59> Production has ramped up since the start
[17:22] * cehteh wonder how much iphones apple sells :P
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[17:23] <dirty_d> bootc, you around?
[17:23] <bootc> not really, but kind of
[17:23] <dirty_d> im compiling your kernel, Physical address of main memory (PHYS_OFFSET) [] (NEW)
[17:23] <bootc> ah, that
[17:23] <bootc> set 0x0 on that, then go back into menuconfig
[17:23] <dirty_d> ok
[17:24] <cehteh> any works on a 3.4 kernel btw?
[17:24] <bootc> dirty_d: then enable CONFIG_ARM_PATCH_PHYS_VIRT=y
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[17:24] <dirty_d> bootc, ok
[17:24] <dirty_d> this is some new feature?
[17:25] <bootc> cehteh: not 3.4, no - we're working on what's 3.5 now though (won't be ready for some time yet though)
[17:25] <cehteh> ah ok
[17:25] <bootc> dirty_d: new in 3.2 I believe
[17:25] <bootc> or at least different
[17:25] <dirty_d> ahh
[17:26] <dirty_d> hmm, for arm system type i dont see the broadcom one i selected last time
[17:26] <dirty_d> i think i didnt clone the repo correctly
[17:27] <dirty_d> i did 'git clone your_url'
[17:27] <dirty_d> i was supposed to do something after that wasnt i?
[17:27] <Jimmy06> is it not pull
[17:27] <Jimmy06> git pull
[17:28] <dirty_d> i cant remember
[17:29] <dirty_d> i think i did clone, then pull or soemthing like that
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[17:30] <dirty_d> bootc, what git command do i di after i clone your repo?
[17:30] <bootc> dirty_d: git checkout rpi-3.2.21
[17:30] <dirty_d> ahh, right
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[17:34] <mervaka> hmm
[17:34] <dirty_d> sup
[17:34] <mervaka> dirty_d: having problems with the voltage levels out the headphones, unsurprisingly lol
[17:35] <dirty_d> yea, its going to be about 1v
[17:35] <mervaka> they're a lot lower than i anticipated
[17:35] <mervaka> forgot about the potential divider
[17:35] <dirty_d> you should still be able to make a level shifter though
[17:35] <mervaka> yeah
[17:35] <mervaka> trying to do it on the cheap with one or two transistors/diodes :p
[17:36] <mervaka> isnt going so well.
[17:36] <dirty_d> hmm
[17:36] <mervaka> trying to do some common emitter magic
[17:36] <dirty_d> with PNP or NPN
[17:36] <mervaka> either
[17:37] <dirty_d> if you use an NPN it would invert the signal
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[17:37] <mervaka> though i have a preference for PNP, as i have bags of those
[17:37] <mervaka> not too worried about inversion, that can be corrected in software
[17:37] <dirty_d> oh right
[17:37] <mervaka> range-data
[17:37] <mervaka> :p
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[17:38] <Jimmy06> mervaka, i looked into the wiki at the pwm example its blank :P lol
[17:38] <mervaka> is it?
[17:38] <mervaka> look at gordonDrogon's wiringpi stuff
[17:38] <Jimmy06> the ont i looked at was
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[17:39] <dirty_d> mervaka, just use an npn then and put a resistor on the collector
[17:40] <Jimmy06> You got a link for that mervaka ?
[17:40] <dirty_d> inverted output is the node where resistor and collector meet
[17:40] <dirty_d> you could add another to invert again
[17:40] <mervaka> dirty_d: i have, but in simulation it totally changes the pulse width
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[17:40] <mervaka> because of the capacitor decoupling
[17:41] <dirty_d> oh out of the audio jack?
[17:41] <mervaka> yeah
[17:41] <mervaka> sorry
[17:41] <mervaka> then again, if i keep the impedance as high as possible
[17:41] <dirty_d> yea thts not really gonna be possible i dont think
[17:41] <mervaka> the caps shouldnt drain
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[17:41] <dirty_d> its going to be an ac signal
[17:41] <dirty_d> not dc
[17:41] <mervaka> yeah
[17:42] <mervaka> i'm gonna remain optimistic, but i'm doubting there's a quick fix
[17:42] <dirty_d> well you can always just solder a wire to the input of the lpf
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[17:42] <mervaka> indeed
[17:43] <mervaka> but i'm having a go at avoiding that :p
[17:43] <dirty_d> or bridge that output cap
[17:43] <mervaka> if i present the output caps with a very high impedance, they shouldnt discharge so fast
[17:44] <mervaka> all i have to do is keep it at a valid state for 20ms
[17:44] <mervaka> i think
[17:44] <mervaka> yeah
[17:44] <mervaka> worst case
[17:45] <mervaka> on the other hand, i cant do the two extremes
[17:45] <mervaka> but then i dont need to
[17:45] <mervaka> 0.5ms-2.5ms are the only ones i need to worry about for servos
[17:45] <mervaka> which is always ac
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[17:51] <dirty_d> hmm, i dunno
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[17:51] <dirty_d> beach time
[17:51] <dirty_d> good luck
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[17:51] <mervaka> ty
[17:51] <mervaka> hf
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[17:58] <UnaClocker> I'm having a heck of a time installing Cassandra on Raspbian..
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[18:04] <mervaka> haha
[18:04] <mervaka> got it, with one npn transistor!
[18:04] <mervaka> using a cap on the emitter
[18:04] <mervaka> to shunt AC
[18:05] <mervaka> now lets try this for pnp
[18:06] <UnaClocker> Whatcha makin?
[18:06] <mervaka> level shifter
[18:06] <mervaka> as simple as possible
[18:06] <Jimmy06> ipv6 toilet flusher
[18:06] <mervaka> got it down to two resistors, one capacitor, and one transistor
[18:07] <UnaClocker> Should just need two resistors, voltage divider circuit.. I wired up an SD card to an Arduino that way...
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[18:08] <mervaka> nono
[18:08] <mervaka> shift up
[18:08] <mervaka> not down
[18:08] <mervaka> down is easy
[18:08] <UnaClocker> What do you need to go up for? 5v devices will trigger off a 3.3v high no problem.
[18:09] <mervaka> isnt 3v3
[18:09] <UnaClocker> Ahh..
[18:09] <mervaka> its out the headphone jack
[18:09] <mervaka> so about 1v
[18:09] <mervaka> and ac decoupled too..
[18:09] <UnaClocker> Why the headphone jack?
[18:09] <mervaka> PWM#
[18:10] <mervaka> it has both PWM outputs there
[18:10] <mervaka> via the silly bloody headphone circuitry
[18:10] <UnaClocker> I think I've seen devices like that, they turn on an amplifier when there's an audio signal coming out the "headphone jack"..
[18:10] <mervaka> yeah
[18:10] <mervaka> this is just a common emitter amplifier
[18:10] <mervaka> but with different AC/DC gains
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[18:11] <mervaka> i only want to have AC voltage gain
[18:11] <mervaka> and leave DC alone
[18:12] <mervaka> so
[18:12] <mervaka> npn transistor
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[18:12] <mervaka> base goes to the rpi pwm signal
[18:12] <mervaka> collector goes to my servo input and 5v rail via 100k res
[18:13] <mervaka> emitter goes to gnd via 10k res and 10n cap in parallel
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[18:20] <IT_Sean> ping
[18:21] <RITRedbeard> :(
[18:21] <ReggieUK> pong
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[18:26] <Jimmy06> This is pritty good software
[18:26] <Jimmy06> multiSIM 8
[18:27] <mervaka> i use proteus ISIS
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[18:44] <dmsuse> /win 14
[18:45] <dmsuse> WOOOT my relays work
[18:45] <Mike632T> A big thanks to the guys that put raspbian together - I just finished the base install which was a lot more like a normal netinst so hopefully I have a minimal system I can build on...
[18:47] <mervaka> dmsuse: nice :)
[18:47] <mervaka> dmsuse: whats happening around it?
[18:48] <dmsuse> what u mean?
[18:48] <mervaka> like
[18:48] <mervaka> whats gonna be on the relays
[18:48] <mervaka> whats controlling the relays? :)
[18:48] <dmsuse> just tried it on an led light for now
[18:48] <dmsuse> the pi
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[18:48] <mervaka> i gather, but what on the pi is causing it to trigger
[18:49] <dmsuse> the gpio :P
[18:49] <mervaka> just curious
[18:49] <mervaka> yeah, i mean in the code
[18:49] <mervaka> whats the condition
[18:49] <mervaka> ;p
[18:49] <dmsuse> uh lol
[18:49] <dmsuse> echo "1" > /gpio1/value
[18:49] <mervaka> oh k lol
[18:50] <mervaka> whats the plan?
[18:50] <dmsuse> to rewire everything :P
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[18:50] <dmsuse> is there a way to find out on the pi how much power this relay is using
[18:51] <cehteh> no
[18:51] <mervaka> dmsuse: two ways
[18:52] <mervaka> oh
[18:52] <mervaka> on the pi? no
[18:52] <mervaka> but stick a meter in there
[18:52] <mervaka> is one way
[18:52] <dmsuse> you know anything about multimeters :P ?
[18:52] <mervaka> another is to drop a resistor of a low value, tight tolerance in
[18:52] <mervaka> yes
[18:53] <dmsuse> i have 200u 2000u 20m and 200m
[18:53] <mervaka> what do you want to know
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[18:53] <mervaka> what model is your multimeter
[18:53] <dmsuse> uh dt830b
[18:55] <dmsuse> on the 20m its showing as 0.12
[18:55] <dmsuse> i checked on the negitive wire
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[18:55] <dmsuse> is that 10ma A?
[18:56] <dmsuse> i mean 12mA
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[18:58] <Walther> Hm, there's no "visudo" or "etc/sudoers" on Raspbian?
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[19:01] <Walther> How do I add sudo rights to a new user in Raspbian?
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[19:04] <hotwings> that depends on how your /etc/sudoers is configured
[19:05] <Helldesk> hmm, does ntpd function normally by default on a Pi and how often does it sync on wheezy?
[19:05] <hotwings> you can either add the user and set privs, or add the user to the sudo group (assuming your sudo group is enabled and not commented out in /etc/sudoers)
[19:06] <Helldesk> my Pi seems to be lagging 10 seconds and I have no idea when it has last checked the time from network
[19:06] <Helldesk> at least it didn't choke on the leap second :)
[19:07] <hotwings> Helldesk - http://www.cyberciti.biz/files/unix-ntpd-docs/
[19:08] <Helldesk> whee, dmesg|tail says it inserted the leap second
[19:08] <Helldesk> I took a look at ntpd man page but eh
[19:09] <Helldesk> I thought about putting the nearest ntp servers into ntp.conf but I am not sure where to put them :)
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> good afterlunchtime...
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> Helldesk, replace the ones that are there with your country ones?
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> e.g. instead of server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst, put server uk.pool.ntp.org several times if in te UK.
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[19:12] <Helldesk> looks like it's using .de, at least ntptrace used ntp0.rrze.uni-erlangen.de
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[19:12] <gordonDrogon> the debian ones are all over the place.
[19:13] <Helldesk> I would use time1.mikes.fi or ntp.hut.fi in Finland
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[19:13] <gordonDrogon> try ntpq -c peers
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> try putting fi.pool.ntp.org in there 3 times.
[19:13] <Helldesk> in ntp.conf?
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> to replace the debian ones already there.
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> or just add to it. the more the merrier (well to an extent)
[19:15] <Helldesk> I assume it polls each and uses the best one each time
[19:15] <Helldesk> the iburst argument is something important I presume?
[19:17] <Helldesk> hm, how do I stop and restart ntpd?
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[19:17] <gordonDrogon> ntp polls them in the order it thinks best :)
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> the iburst thing is really not needed for an always-on internet connection.
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> sudo /etc/init.d/ntp restart
[19:18] <Helldesk> thanks
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> actually, it polls them sequentially from what I remember...
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> if you run ntpq -c peers it will tell you which one it's polling next.
[19:19] <dmsuse> whoa this relay can switch at like a billion times a second
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> really? a relay?
[19:20] <Helldesk> is it a gigahertz clock circuit? :)
[19:21] <dmsuse> yeah i have it switching with sleep 0.0001
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> well that's only 10,000 times a second ...
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> it's not mechanical then ...
[19:21] <dmsuse> well i hear it clicking
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> 10K - it would buzz!
[19:22] * dmsuse tries higher
[19:23] <dmsuse> yup its buzzing alright
[19:23] * dmsuse tries a fan with it
[19:23] <Simon-> "sleep 0.0001"?
[19:24] <Simon-> are you toggling a gpio pin with the sysfs interface?
[19:24] <Simon-> iirc it only goes up to something like 150Hz with that
[19:24] <dmsuse> with echo "1" or "0" /sys/class/gpio/gpio/value
[19:25] <dmsuse> nah was just saying, someone said the other day i wouldnt be able to switch a relay very fast
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> yea, really unlikely you'll get fast with that - espeically in a shell script!
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> probably me - they're machanical and have limits..
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> *mechanical
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> wouldn't expect to be able to pulse them at more than about 10Hz...
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> well, before you start to get contact bounce, etc.
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[19:27] <Helldesk> there's contact bounce every time in everything
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> everything mechanical...
[19:29] <Helldesk> everything mechanical, the mechanical bit was implied...
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> I use solid state relays... not used mechanical ones for a long time!
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[19:29] <BruceLEET> I'm having trouble getting NFS working with Pi as the client. Able to mount the NFSv4 shares and 'ls' the files/dirs but cannot read any files (cat blah.txt)
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[19:31] <BruceLEET> not sure what the problem is
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> what happens? any error messages?
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[19:42] <stueng> any suggestions with this error while making: cc1: out of memory allocating 10834560 bytes after a total of 83652608 bytes
[19:42] <Walther> So, how do I add a sudo user in Raspbian?
[19:42] <Walther> There's not /etc/sudoers
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[19:43] <cehteh> stueng: what did you try to compile? what kernel?
[19:43] <chaoshax> Walther, There should be.
[19:43] <stueng> im trying to compile raspberry xbmc
[19:43] <dmsuse> anyone have any information on getting a temp sensor working on the pi ?
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[19:43] <chaoshax> Do you have sudo installed?
[19:43] <cehteh> $NEED_MORE_MEMORY ... zram ftw .. or swapfile if you cant do otherwise
[19:43] <chaoshax> dmsuse, Look up i2c.
[19:43] <Walther> chaoshax: Raspbian, hexxeh build
[19:43] <chaoshax> r3?
[19:44] <chaoshax> I just installed sudo and there was a sudoers file lol
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[19:44] <Walther> ...the newest one i suppose, dl'd about an hour ago or so
[19:44] <stueng> cehteh: can you explain a bit more ? I dont understand
[19:44] <stueng> Walther: apt-get install sudo ?
[19:44] <Simon-> cross compile instead? :/
[19:44] <cehteh> dmsuse: the rpi has no analog inputs, what kind of temp sensor do you think about? .. how about onewire?
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> Walther, at-get install sudo
[19:44] <Ben-> OMG MUSIC ON RPI WORKS
[19:44] <Ben-> SO COOL
[19:45] <Walther> "sudo apt-get install sudo -wait wha"
[19:45] <chaoshax> su
[19:45] <chaoshax> apt-get install sudo
[19:45] <cehteh> haha
[19:45] <Walther> hm, i might need to reflash -.-
[19:45] <Walther> I can't ssh to it anymorep
[19:45] <Walther> connection refused
[19:45] <chaoshax> Restart
[19:45] <cehteh> stueng: you need some way to provide more memory ...
[19:45] <dmsuse> chaoshax: yeah thats what i have
[19:45] <Walther> chaoshax: did that twice already
[19:46] <stueng> cehteh: yeah.. so I should use zra m?
[19:46] <cehteh> close X .. run with 224Mb memory break .. enable zram or swap
[19:46] <stueng> zram
[19:46] <chaoshax> dmsuse, OK then python is your best bet, I think you can get kernels with i2c in it
[19:46] <cehteh> i recommend zram yes
[19:46] <chaoshax> http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> stueng, create a file: (as root): cd /var/tmp ; dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1M count=64 ; mkswap /var/tmp/swapfile ; swapon /var/tmp/swapfile
[19:46] <lenz> uninstall debian and compile gentoo there ??)
[19:46] <dmsuse> thnx
[19:46] <cehteh> i dont know if your kernel has zram enabled
[19:47] <cehteh> swapfile works too .. but makes it really slow
[19:47] <chaoshax> dmsuse, Install i2c-tools
[19:48] <Simon-> use the serial console?
[19:48] <chaoshax> http://quick2wire.com/category/raspberry-pi/
[19:48] <NucWin`> what resistor do i need for a button on the gpio? guessing from 3.3v pin to gpioXX?
[19:48] <chaoshax> NucWin`, Something high.
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, none.
[19:48] <cehteh> 10k or so, non critical
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> nicdev, you set the internal resistor and connect the button to 0v.
[19:48] <Simon-> you also need ground or it'll float
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, you set the internal resistor and connect the button to 0v.
[19:49] <stueng> ok I did what gordonDrogon suggested and making again
[19:49] <Billiard> electrictying is hard
[19:49] <stueng> Im not in a rush
[19:49] <NucWin`> ahhh so button needs to ground the gpio not live it
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, it's easier to do it that way.
[19:50] <mpthompson> Walther, if you join the #raspbian channel I can help you with sudo there. Too much cross chat in this channel right now.
[19:50] <cehteh> gordonDrogon: the gpio has internal pullups?
[19:50] <ReggieUK> it depends how you've got the pin setup, whether you want it active low or active high
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> but I don't think the standard /sys/class/gpio allows you to set the internal pullup/downs though.
[19:50] <NucWin`> would it be safer to add a 10ohm resistor?
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> cehteh, it has pull up and downs.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, why? it won't buy you anything.
[19:50] <NucWin`> ahh im using /sys/class atm
[19:50] <cehteh> NucWin`: if you cant access the internal pullups then you need some high value 10Ohm doesnt give you anything
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, then connect a 10K resistor from the gpio pin to +3.3v and the button to 0v.
[19:51] <cehteh> 10kohm ...
[19:51] <ReggieUK> I think 10ohm was a typo
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> but it really is a waste of a resistor.
[19:51] <cehteh> i hope so too
[19:51] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, I think it's a throw back to people thinking you need some kind of protection going on
[19:51] <NucWin`> i put 180ohm on my led's
[19:51] <cehteh> and that 10k is non critical anything between 1k to maybe 50k or even more may work (but thats just a guess)
[19:52] <ReggieUK> NucWin`, leds are different
[19:52] <ReggieUK> they need specific current limiting or they only work once :D
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, who knows. I'm seeing & hearing all sorts of stuff - a lot of naiveity mostly, I reckon.
[19:52] <ReggieUK> verrrrry brightly
[19:52] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, agreed, some of that probably from me :D
[19:52] <bootc> chaoshax: just updated that :-)
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, start with 270 ohms for LEDs.
[19:52] <NucWin`> 3.3v -> 10k ish resistor -> gpio -> button -> ground
[19:52] <bootc> http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/07/01/new-revision-of-3-2-21/
[19:52] <cehteh> dont use resistors on leds :P do proper current limiting
[19:53] <ReggieUK> if you've got the datasheet from the led then use the values that gives
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> any thing less than 270 is going to be pushing the current limits of the GPIO pins.
[19:53] <ReggieUK> otherwise you can't go wrong with a 1k :D
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[19:53] <ReggieUK> oh and of course, the resistor is for pullup/pulldown
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.21+ #2 PREEMPT Thu Jun 28 15:56:37 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[19:53] <Simon-> bootc: drbd use on the rpi is insane :/
[19:53] <ReggieUK> if I were to use something like gpio-keys and not interested in setting up the pullups/downs
[19:53] <bootc> Simon-: yes, yes it is
[19:53] <NucWin`> ok dont have datasheet but used values in a led resistor calc
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[19:53] <Simon-> it's going to fall over badly if it runs low on memory
[19:54] <bootc> Simon-: but some nutter asked me to include it, so I did
[19:54] <cehteh> how much load can the gpio's take?
[19:54] <NucWin`> so i should switch the 180's to 1k?
[19:54] <lenz> +Simon , try to compile Gentoo
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> drbd onnna Pi! Hahaha.... :)
[19:54] <cehteh> 1k is already few mA
[19:54] <dmsuse> 50ma
[19:54] <bootc> gordonDrogon: yeah, quite
[19:54] <cehteh> so much?
[19:54] <Simon-> lenz: what? all of it?
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> the gpios are rated to about 16mA max.
[19:54] <cehteh> thats closer
[19:54] <cehteh> and i wont put all at max :)
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> you can pull more... I've sucked 30mA out of one in the past...
[19:55] <dmsuse> the wiki says 50 ?
[19:55] <cehteh> i doubt that
[19:55] <lenz> +Simon, no, only base system, and you will get more performance
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> where?
[19:55] <cehteh> and how much in sum is also relevant
[19:55] <dmsuse> Power pins
[19:55] <dmsuse> Maximum permitted current draw from the 3v3 pin is 50mA.
[19:55] <dmsuse> or is that just talking about that 1 pin?
[19:55] <bootc> Simon-: it's easier to build it as a module and let the person find out how bad an idea it is the hard way than argue
[19:55] <cehteh> 10 pins at 16mA would be quite a lot
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> oh, maybe thaths the 3.3 pin... not the GPIO pins..
[19:56] <dmsuse> oh ok
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[19:56] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[19:56] <cehteh> that 3v3 limit is only because of the regulator
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> the 5V isn't limited like that, so external boards can be powered off the 5V supply as long as they're relativly low powered...
[19:57] <cehteh> how many people have fried their rpi already? :)
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> basically USB type powers..
[19:57] <chaoshax> Probably a few, not going to risk it and would rather use a ?3 chip
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> wish the gertboard would hurry up & be ready - then people can blow that up and not their Pis...
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[19:57] <chaoshax> Agreed.
[19:58] <chaoshax> I think that gpio won't be used in education.
[19:58] <chaoshax> Just because it's too easy to fry.
[19:58] <mervaka> nah
[19:58] <mervaka> theyll just gertboard it
[19:58] <mervaka> or buffer it somehow
[19:58] <cehteh> http://schaltplan.de.tl/LED_Konstantstromquelle.htm sorry for the german .. but the last one is really nice and you can use R3 input as low current control
[19:58] <bootc> chaoshax: I think things like the Gerboard will go a long way towards making it usable in education
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[19:59] <chaoshax> Yeah it might be used that way, but not directly.
[19:59] <chaoshax> without a buffer
[19:59] <mervaka> of course not
[19:59] <mervaka> that doesnt mean it wont get used though
[19:59] <NucWin`> yay brown black orange. the joys of find the right resistor
[20:00] <chaoshax> Yeah I guess it might be, but then finding programming & electronics teachers is going to be hard.
[20:00] <mervaka> that's a challenge, yes
[20:01] <chaoshax> Pretty much zero schools offer electronics.
[20:01] <mervaka> but they're already thinking about that
[20:01] <mervaka> mine did
[20:01] <chaoshax> Yes well same but I am lucky.
[20:01] <mervaka> best thing they ever did
[20:01] <chaoshax> I start EE degree next year :)
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> they might offer it with a gertboard to buffer the Pi, but the Gertboard is self-assembly AIUI...
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[20:01] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: that will probably change if education boards show interest
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, lets hope so.
[20:02] <mervaka> i'm feeling confident cornwall LEA's taking advantage of this opportunity
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> although soldering up a gertboard won't be that hard... there are a few SMT resistors that I can see from the photos though.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, have any insider info??
[20:02] <mervaka> nothing more than Toby can offer :)
[20:03] <mervaka> in fact he probably knows shedloads more
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> toby's a webby - or has he got his fingers into more pies???
[20:03] <mervaka> he's a big pi enthusiast, when he gets time
[20:03] <ReggieUK> I don't think it'll be so much of a stretch
[20:03] <mervaka> he's organising a lot of whats happening down here
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, doing anything with YRS this year?
[20:04] <mervaka> YRS?
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> I've signed up for th plymouth one.
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> Young rewired state.
[20:04] <mervaka> ah
[20:04] <mervaka> ive not heard of it :/
[20:04] * mervaka googles
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> I think they did a gig in the Innovations Centre last year, but not this year. Plymouth uniy... which I've signed up for.
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[20:05] <mervaka> ah, i live there :)
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[20:05] <BruceLEET> gordonDrogon, no error messages, the nfs mounts fine and i can browse the filesystem on the pi
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[20:05] <BruceLEET> but i try to read something and nothing happens
[20:05] <mervaka> top floor of smeaton building
[20:05] <mervaka> 303
[20:05] <chaoshax> I just learnt about that, I think I recognize a few of the people in it.
[20:05] <chaoshax> That Isabell girl was on TV a few months ago
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> BruceLEET, done all the usual apt-get update/upgrade, rpi-update stuff?
[20:06] <BruceLEET> yes, the machine is completely up-to-date
[20:06] <nid0> does the content on the nfs server have the right permissions to be read?
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> BruceLEET, what about vm.min_free_kbytes=12288 in /etc/sysctl.conf ?
[20:06] <BruceLEET> server or client?
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> permissions wouldn't cause a hang...
[20:06] <Hourd> Printing my first Raspberry Pi case ^_^
[20:07] <IT_sean> HOw long 'll that take?
[20:07] <Hourd> just over an hour apparently
[20:07] <IT_sean> Ah. Neat. Your own design?
[20:08] <BruceLEET> gordonDrogon, not defined on client nor server
[20:08] * BruceLEET wishes he had a 3d printer ;(
[20:08] <Hourd> unfortunatly not, someone linked me one on thingiverse
[20:08] <Hourd> BruceLEET: yes, yes you do :) they are awesome
[20:08] <yggdrasil> anyone know the default root pw for darkelec
[20:08] <yggdrasil> ?
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> BruceLEET, what do you mean not defined?
[20:09] <chaoshax> Is there any free software for 3d printing?
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> BruceLEET, what distro?
[20:09] <BruceLEET> gordonDrogon, are you suggesting adding that to sysctl.conf? if so, client or server
[20:09] <BruceLEET> archlinux arm
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> BruceLEET, oh, arch. good luck, I only know Debian.
[20:09] <BruceLEET> =]
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> BruceLEET, however...
[20:10] <Hourd> chaoshax: yes, lots
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[20:10] <chaoshax> Hourd, Any recommendations?
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> BruceLEET, try this: sudo echo 12288 > /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> and then try.
[20:10] <BruceLEET> on the client?
[20:10] <BruceLEET> on the pi*
[20:10] <BruceLEET> ?
[20:10] <Hourd> chaoshax: to do 3d modeling or just to control the printer?
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> on the Pi.
[20:10] <chaoshax> Both really.
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what your server is - could be solaris for all I know...
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> but if the server is also a Pi, put it there too.
[20:11] <Hourd> chaoshax: google sketchup, blender for modeling nd i user pronterface to control the printer with slic3r to cut up the model into gcode to feed to the printer
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> and if thatfies it work out how to make it apply at boot time - debian uses /etc/sysctl.conf
[20:11] <BruceLEET> server is also on archlinux
[20:11] <BruceLEET> c2d regular desktop
[20:12] <chaoshax> Hourd, Thanks.
[20:12] <stueng> do you guys know what distro openelec and raspbmc are based on ?
[20:12] <Hourd> chaoshax: no problem, i'm pretty new to it myself
[20:12] <chaoshax> Hourd, Now can you print me some things please :P
[20:12] <Hourd> hurr
[20:12] <yggdrasil> anyone here good with darkelec ?
[20:12] <chaoshax> You using a makerbot?
[20:13] <BruceLEET> gordonDrogon, doesn't seem to have any change. restarted rpcbind/nfs-common/netfs following the change
[20:14] <Hourd> nope felix, much much bigger
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> BruceLEET, the only other thing is to put smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N in /boot/cmdline.txt
[20:15] <NucWin`> just been watching some people who have been playing the led's
[20:15] <NucWin`> seen some using 3.3 -> led -> gpio
[20:15] <NucWin`> i have gpio ->led -> ground
[20:15] <NucWin`> which is best/safest method
[20:16] <NucWin`> switched to 1k resistors now although suspecting they are way too high for these crappy led's
[20:18] <mervaka> do you know the current the LED requires?
[20:18] <Ben-> btw. is it ok to just plug the power cable from the rpi or should I chose a way too shut the rpi down first?
[20:18] <mervaka> you need to find that out
[20:18] <NucWin`> nopes
[20:18] <cehteh> NucWin`: wtf? .. you first asked for a button and not for leds
[20:18] <NucWin`> i know which end is cathode and the colour
[20:18] <NucWin`> with some of the stuff that was said has confused me
[20:18] <mervaka> and the forward voltage
[20:19] <chaoshax> Ben-, Usually is but it's safer to do a proper shutdown
[20:19] <mervaka> ok, try a 220 ohm resistor
[20:19] <chaoshax> Why not just use a transistor?
[20:19] <mervaka> thats a conservative guess.
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, either way is ok - some people have preferences. use 270 ohm resistors.
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, I prefer wiring the led to 0v.
[20:20] <chaoshax> Then you don't have to worry about current draws.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, then when you write '1' to the GPIO port, the LEd comes on ...
[20:20] <mervaka> chaoshax: yes you do
[20:20] <chaoshax> mervaka, Not if you power from external power
[20:20] <chaoshax> like a power supply.
[20:20] <NucWin`> ok i will put 270's on led's
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, why not read through this: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
[20:20] <mervaka> if you're wiring directly to gpio i mean
[20:21] <chaoshax> Yep you would.
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[20:21] <chaoshax> But just get a transistor to play with these things, so much safer.
[20:21] <mervaka> gpio should be able to power most LEDs though
[20:21] * IT_sean suggests sticking the LEDs in a wall socket
[20:21] <chaoshax> Yes.
[20:21] <mervaka> or just get a CMOS buffer
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, good idea, but too complex for newbies. just using LEDs is safe enough.
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, your complicating things.
[20:22] <chaoshax> Ha ha, my stupidity is not worth risking my beloved pi.
[20:22] <mervaka> lol
[20:22] <mervaka> :/
[20:22] <mervaka> buffers arent that complicated, surely?
[20:22] <mervaka> in > out
[20:22] <NucWin`> i have another in the post incase stupidity strikes
[20:22] <mervaka> not safe > safe
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> more to wire up. more to go wrong.
[20:22] <NucWin`> which is why im asking silly questions
[20:22] <NucWin`> thanks for url gordonDrogon
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, if you have a breadboard and the bits, just follow that through. it'll get you going if nothing else.
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[20:23] <ReggieUK> this is a nice little website for learning about electronics
[20:23] <ReggieUK> http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/
[20:24] <ReggieUK> paying particular attention to this part:
[20:24] <ReggieUK> http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/compon.htm
[20:24] <ReggieUK> it's newbie orientated
[20:24] <NucWin`> i do kinda understand its just very basic and long time since ive done anything
[20:24] <NucWin`> newdie stuff does sound goo
[20:24] <NucWin`> d
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, whoo hooo: http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/555timer.htm
[20:25] <ReggieUK> indeeeeed
[20:25] <reider59> Thanks guys, really helpful stuff. Added to fave links
[20:25] <chaoshax> Are there any pi educational websites yet?
[20:25] <ReggieUK> who was messing with the servos?
[20:26] <chaoshax> Because I can really see a demand for a khan academy style website
[20:26] <ReggieUK> could've just used a 555 and a gpio to trigger it
[20:26] <ping-> servo?
[20:26] <ping-> tom servo?
[20:26] <Atarii> wo nice guide, thanks
[20:26] <ping-> dont mess with tom servo! :D
[20:26] <mervaka> ReggieUK: i am currently
[20:26] <mervaka> trying to make an inexpensive level shifter
[20:26] <ReggieUK> mervaka, yeah, it was YOU!!!!!!!
[20:26] <mervaka> AC tolerant
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[20:27] <mervaka> whats up
[20:27] <ReggieUK> 555 timers are used a lot for servo testers
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[20:27] <PaulFertser> Hey! Just tried RPi with flashrom, it works out-of-the-box! Will put a wikipage shortly.
[20:27] <mervaka> its a timing chip :/
[20:28] <ReggieUK> right.....
[20:28] <ReggieUK> so why would it not be useful for a servo?
[20:28] <mervaka> because i need a cheap and cheerful buffer
[20:28] <mervaka> rather than a timer
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[20:31] <Ollzer> Is here anyone who has compiled raspis kernel
[20:32] <huene> yes
[20:32] <Ollzer> is this bad
[20:32] <Ollzer> tar: raspberrypi-linux-14ad68c/virt/kvm/kvm_main.c: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[20:32] <Ollzer> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[20:33] <SIFTU> well thr pi shouldnt have that module enabled
[20:33] <neofutur> if its a tar error perhaps your download is corrupted
[20:33] <PaulFertser> Here's flashrom log using Chris Boot's Linux spi driver: http://paste.debian.net/177275/
[20:33] <neofutur> you have the error when unzipping the source tarball right ?
[20:33] <Ollzer> yeah
[20:34] <neofutur> if yes check the md5sum if any
[20:34] <neofutur> or download it again
[20:34] <Ollzer> so i gues tar got to the end of the package and after that told that there were those errors
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[20:35] <Ollzer> and theres no checksum
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[20:47] <djazz> I'm having trouble with my keyboard and mouse (wireless) not working anymore. Sometimes when typing it misses keys or flooding keys, sometimes it doesn't work even after replugging. The power to the device is 5V 1200mA. Having issues with other USB devices aswell
[20:48] <netman87> anyone tried emulators on RPi?
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[20:49] <gordonDrogon> djazz, tried them in a powered hub? the usb ports are limited to 140mA each...
[20:49] <djazz> gordonDrogon: yeah, same issues
[20:49] <NucWin`> http://db.tt/LAsdEYfI
[20:49] <NucWin`> couldn't find 270R used 210 instead 10k on switch
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, excellent!
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> djazz, Hm. Ik now others have had similar issues. all up to date with apt-get update/upgrade, rpi-update, etc?
[20:50] <djazz> gordonDrogon: yeah
[20:51] <djazz> im using Arch for ARM and Wheezy
[20:51] <djazz> same issues
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> I occasionally get rpeated keys on one keyboard- but put that down to it being a ?4.95 jobbie from Tescos...
[20:51] <djazz> tried installing Raspbmc but it fails to boot
[20:51] <djazz> RC3
[20:52] <djazz> i tried different keyboards, same issues
[20:52] <djazz> also
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[20:52] <djazz> omxplayer is no longer working
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, save the yellow wire and take the 10K from the switch to the +3.3 rail directly...
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, but I guess you want all the leads to the Pi in one place :)
[20:53] <NucWin`> Resistor is 3.3 to gpio
[20:53] <djazz> hm, my computer don't discover my SD card when inserted :s
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> djazz, er... sounds bad!
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, do I want to know how those multi-strand wires are connected back to the Pi ???
[20:53] <NucWin`> Djazz old card reader?
[20:54] <djazz> NucWin`: no? the computer is 1/2 year old
[20:54] <NucWin`> They where ripped out of an old case I hope I don't want anymore
[20:54] <djazz> worked fine last week
[20:54] <chaoshax> djazz, Try with another card?
[20:55] <djazz> chaoshax: still no mount
[20:55] <djazz> i'll try reboot, machine has been in sleep
[20:55] <chaoshax> djazz, What os is this?
[20:55] <djazz> Ubuntu 12.04
[20:55] <chaoshax> Type dmesg
[20:55] <chaoshax> See what it says.
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[20:55] <chaoshax> If it's detecting it, just manually mount it.
[20:56] <chaoshax> pmount /dev/s*
[20:56] <BruceLEET> gordonDrogon, i have write access now, but no read....
[20:56] <BruceLEET> lol
[20:56] <djazz> chaoshax: nothing in dmesg
[20:56] <BruceLEET> can mv but can't cp/cat
[20:56] <chaoshax> djazz, nasty, just get a cheapo reader off the bay
[20:56] <djazz> brb
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[20:57] <gordonDrogon> BruceLEET, I prsume you can wget stuff off a web site, or a local fileserver ok ? I mean is it networking or some issue wuth the hardware...
[20:57] <BruceLEET> yes i get wget things
[20:58] <BruceLEET> tcp 0 0 alarmpi:949 archome:nfs ESTABLISHED
[20:58] <BruceLEET> is the netstat from Pi
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[20:59] <BruceLEET> archome:/mybook/ 1.9T 545G 1.2T 31% /media/mybook <-- df sees it fine
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[20:59] <djazz> reboot solved the SD problem
[20:59] <mog_> My raspberry pi plans requires me to get despotify working with pulse audio, which then will stream to an airport express. First things first, has anyone got the pi to stream audio using pulseaudio to an airport express? How would I test it is working?
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[21:00] <SugarAddict> How do I get bcm2708-gcc?
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[21:00] <BruceLEET> mog_, i can only assume it would work fine (at least pulseaudio seems to work fine for me
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[21:01] <djazz> anyone installed Raspbmc RC3?
[21:01] <djazz> i cant get it to boot
[21:02] <BruceLEET> yes djazz
[21:02] <BruceLEET> it booted fine for me
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[21:02] <mog_> what I havent been able to work out is how to ensure the app that is generating the audio is routing therough pulse audio. Or does pulse audio automatically route everything through it?
[21:02] <djazz> BruceLEET: you used the installer?
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[21:02] <BruceLEET> yes used the CLI installer .sh thing
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[21:03] <martin__> I can't get my sd card to resize on Debian wheezy. The utility bundled with the image fails .
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[21:05] <NucWin`> http://db.tt/CV7joZxI
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[21:11] <djazz> BruceLEET: i get this error: http://www.raspbmc.com/2012/06/raspbmc-release-candidate-3/#comment-567484828
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[21:12] <djazz> seems im not the only one
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[21:13] <BruceLEET> does it complete the installation prior to first boot of the SD card without error?
[21:13] <BruceLEET> their servers have been shotty in the recent past though i haven't tried them in the last few days
[21:15] <wfwwdf> BruceLEET: that was due to a supposed ddos wasn't it?
[21:15] <BruceLEET> yeah that is the last i read about it
[21:15] <BruceLEET> just haven't used the servers recently to know if it's been resolved completely
[21:15] <BruceLEET> the installer script uses those servers
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[21:16] <djazz> BruceLEET: i see some error then the Raspbmc logo appears
[21:16] <djazz> and it freezes there
[21:17] <djazz> the download from servers goes just fine
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[21:19] <djazz> BruceLEET: just tried the installer again, same error
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[21:19] <djazz> "Mounting local filesystem: failed"
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[21:20] <djazz> i tried different SD cards
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[21:20] <wfwwdf> why do they use an installer?
[21:20] <wfwwdf> we all have the same hardware right? so why don't they just use an img file like everyone else
[21:21] <BruceLEET> i think it's noob friendly or something, and it just pulls down the img file and does the shit for you
[21:21] <ReggieUK> mind your language please BruceLEET
[21:21] <BruceLEET> sorry
[21:21] <BruceLEET> i'm sure you could pull the download url from the script
[21:22] <BruceLEET> and do it manually
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[21:22] <wfwwdf> fowl would be better
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[21:23] <wfwwdf> no talking about chickens or else!
[21:23] <BruceLEET> =p
[21:23] <IT_sean>
[21:24] <neofutur> burning an img is also noob friendly, there are tools to make it easy, on linux and windows
[21:24] <dutchfish> hi, i have a question, i managed to install the latest debian wheezy img, and upgraded that, made some debian specific changes and that worked out all well, no more flooding inside dmesg about the underpowering of eth0. but next on the list is audio. Is that connector needing a mono or stereo jack, and how to enable audio?
[21:25] <Walther> dutchfish: mono/stereo should both (?) work
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[21:25] <dutchfish> Walther, ah, thank you. Something else needed to get audio?
[21:25] <Walther> dutchfish:
[21:25] <Walther> ...wait a sec
[21:25] <dutchfish> Walther, i have audio over hdmi so
[21:25] <wfwwdf> alsa?
[21:25] <BruceLEET> lol
[21:25] <BruceLEET> dutchfish, exactly
[21:26] <UnaClocker> Got my CPU running at 1.1GHz and the ram at 550MHz now.. ;)
[21:26] <BruceLEET> just need alsa and the module loaded
[21:26] <wfwwdf> UnaClocker: overvolt?
[21:26] <Walther> dutchfish: http://mitchtech.net/raspberry-pi-audio/
[21:26] <Walther> ^that one
[21:26] <BruceLEET> UnaClocker, you scare me
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[21:26] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, alsa is loaded and the app for wudio thinks it can play but no audio. I haver add my user to the audio group, and sound volume is up.
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[21:27] <dutchfish> s/wudio/audioplayer
[21:27] <UnaClocker> BruceLEET: I was scaring myself when I tried overvoltage at 10 trying to get it to post at 1.2GHz.. Just ain't gunna happen.
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[21:27] <djazz> BruceLEET: hmm it seems it booted :D
[21:27] <BruceLEET> modprobe snd-bcm2835 ?
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[21:27] <UnaClocker> What's a good MP3 player app for the Pi?
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[21:27] <Walther> dutchfish: have you checked alsamixer?
[21:27] <BruceLEET> UnaClocker, cmus or mpd + ncmpcpp :)
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[21:27] <BruceLEET> if you are down with CLI
[21:28] <Walther> dutchfish: there's a difference between "haing volume up" and "having correct device volume up" :P
[21:28] <lenz> +UnaClocker mplayer
[21:28] <BruceLEET> mplayer is great, but pretty barebones as the sole frontend
[21:28] <BruceLEET> not much in the way of easy browsing/management of large amounts of files
[21:28] <UnaClocker> Yeah, back in the day (like 12 years ago) I ran XMMS.. But it's pretty deprecated nowadays..
[21:28] <dutchfish> Walther, rephrase (i am comfortable with configuring alsa)
[21:29] <UnaClocker> XMMS was exactly like Winamp..
[21:29] <lenz> BruceLEET VLC :)
[21:29] <BruceLEET> http://cmus.sourceforge.net/
[21:29] <BruceLEET> vlc is my goto for video
[21:29] <lenz> amarok
[21:29] <lenz> there is too many players
[21:29] <BruceLEET> amarok is my GUI goto ;)
[21:29] <BruceLEET> lol yeah
[21:29] <lenz> )))))))
[21:29] <Walther> dutchfish: just about the volume levels, check that you've got the device volumes up as well, not only the master vol
[21:29] <BruceLEET> cmus and ncmpcpp are my favorite command line
[21:29] <dutchfish> Walther, yes, checked that, they are.
[21:30] <UnaClocker> Amarok looks a bit heavy..
[21:30] <lenz> +Walther, VLC has the separate volime bar
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[21:30] <Walther> lenz: talking about an issue dutchfish has, not about the GUI's :)
[21:30] <lenz> also vlc can volume up + 150 200 %
[21:30] <UnaClocker> I just need a basic Winamp style GUI with an MP3 decoder..
[21:30] <BruceLEET> amarok UnaClocker if you want gui
[21:30] <Walther> dutchfish: hmm... How about editing config.txt and rebooting?
[21:31] <BruceLEET> or like i said cmus or ncmpcpp for cli
[21:31] <lenz> +Walther, sorry, I missunderstand
[21:31] <Walther> no problem
[21:31] <dutchfish> Walther, tried that and the kernel boot clearly shows the activation of the audio
[21:31] <BruceLEET> UnaClocker, all have mp3 and more in terms of input
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[21:31] <dutchfish> Walther, still no audio through the plug
[21:32] <Walther> dutchfish: afraid I can't help more :/
[21:32] <dutchfish> Walther, ok, fair enough, still thank you for the hint.
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[21:32] <BruceLEET> dutchfish, what is it connected to? have you looked at settings on the display?
[21:32] <UnaClocker> Ok, installing Amarok on my Pi with the big SD card..
[21:32] <BruceLEET> and i assume the display has speakers or something audio outputted?
[21:32] <Walther> ...perhaps apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && rpi-update
[21:32] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, what display?
[21:32] <BruceLEET> you said it's hdmi?
[21:33] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, yes, i works over hdmi (audio), but not over the jack on the board
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[21:34] <dutchfish> this is my kernel
[21:34] <BruceLEET> what are you using to test?
[21:34] <dutchfish> Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #125 PREEMPT Sun Jun 17 16:09:36 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[21:35] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, the audio device is a audiodevice from trust with an build in amplifier wich i use on all my computers
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[21:35] <BruceLEET> i mean what are you using to test the playback?
[21:35] <BruceLEET> VLC? aplay?
[21:35] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, curently musicplayer from the graphical desktop
[21:35] <lenz> +dutchfish, maybe there is no driver on linux for your device
[21:36] <lenz> did you tried to run it on other linux distro?
[21:36] <dutchfish> lenz, as far as lspci and lsub goes there is
[21:36] <dutchfish> s/lsub/lsusb
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[21:36] <lenz> +dutchfish what is the name of sound card?
[21:36] <BruceLEET> dutchfish, lsmod | grep snd_bcm2835
[21:37] <jamba> hi all, i'm having some issues with my pi... i can't type on USB keyboard without every other character getting 'stuck' and repeating
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[21:37] <jamba> i've tried two different keyboard
[21:37] <BruceLEET> dutchfish, it's the internal sound of the Pi, right?
[21:37] <lenz> +dutchfish lspci does not means that you have driver in system
[21:37] <dutchfish> snd_bcm2835 21605 0
[21:37] <dutchfish> snd_pcm 82208 1 snd_bcm2835
[21:37] <dutchfish> snd 57668 5 snd_seq_device,snd_timer,snd_seq,snd_pcm,snd_bcm2835
[21:37] <jamba> it's quite an effort to even log in, nevermind doing anything useful
[21:38] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, to you last q, right
[21:39] <BruceLEET> dutchfish, aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav gives no sound either?
[21:39] <ReggieUK> jamba, do you have a powered usb hub?
[21:40] <jamba> ReggieUK: no
[21:41] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, that gave sound center and alot of garbage along
[21:41] <jamba> ReggieUK: I've also found the following in my logs: http://pastebin.com/udnmWR78
[21:41] <BruceLEET> better than nothing ;)
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[21:41] <BruceLEET> sadly i'm just entering a game :(
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[21:42] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, and returned Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
[21:42] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, does it need preemplified or just a speaker?
[21:43] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, anyway, thanks for all the help, i delve further into it.
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[21:45] <mervaka> YES
[21:45] <mervaka> at last
[21:45] <mervaka> sorted it
[21:45] <mervaka> got a transistor to do my level shifting
[21:45] <djazz> hmm, when plugging in a powered USB hub in one port my keyboard on the other port stops working
[21:46] <ReggieUK> the keyboard should be plugged into the hub in that case?
[21:46] <djazz> ReggieUK: that dont fix it
[21:47] <djazz> and when unplugging the usb hub the keyboard stays in the "broken" state
[21:48] <ReggieUK> have you checked the voltageo n tp1/tp2, have you checked the current rating on your keyboard (should be on the label and 100ma or less), is your hub properly powered
[21:48] <wfwwdf> djazz: some powered hubs still suck power
[21:49] <djazz> ReggieUK: idk about the keyboard but the hub is powered by 2000mA
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[21:50] <PaulFertser> Any comments https://flashrom.org/RaspberryPi ?
[21:50] <ReggieUK> yeah, there's a certificate error
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[21:50] <wfwwdf> PaulFertser: The site's security certificate is not trusted!
[21:51] <wfwwdf> PaulFertser: we don't need another wiki
[21:51] <PaulFertser> wfwwdf: i'm not talking about another wiki
[21:51] <wfwwdf> PaulFertser: but that's what you've linked to
[21:51] <ReggieUK> no it's not
[21:51] <PaulFertser> wfwwdf: i'm talking about the flashrom project, it needed some documentation for the users who have RPi.
[21:51] <ReggieUK> ^^
[21:52] <wfwwdf> oh
[21:52] <PaulFertser> ReggieUK: i know but i am not related to the flashrom project. Feel free to trust that certificate or use plain http, it doesn't matter for viewing.
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[21:53] <PaulFertser> I mean with RPi one can easily flash spi memory, useful for installing coreboot or upgrading wifi routers or whatever.
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[21:54] <ReggieUK> looks ok but why are all those make options set to no? Looks like I might need some of those if I have a different chip to you?
[21:55] <ReggieUK> or is there another reason they're set to no?
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[21:56] <oldtopman> Can anyone paste a link to hexxeh's rpi-update here?
[21:56] <PaulFertser> ReggieUK: all those basically require having PCI bus.
[21:56] <wfwwdf> oldtopman: you don't have google?
[21:56] <ReggieUK> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update.git
[21:57] <oldtopman> wfwwdf: Not at any reasonable pace, sorry :l
[21:57] <oldtopman> ReggieUK: Thanks.
[21:58] <mervaka> yay
[21:58] <mervaka> got PWM1 working too
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[22:01] <BruceLEET> dutchfish, it doesn't need preamp
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[22:01] <Midasx> Yay people!
[22:01] <Midasx> #archlinux were being snobby
[22:02] * Gadget-Mac waves hand
[22:02] <Gadget-Mac> These are not the people you are looking for
[22:02] <Gadget-Mac> ;)
[22:03] <Midasx> So quick question, I have taken the arch linux image and burned it to my 8GB SD card. However because the image was only for a 4GB card there is 4GB unallocated, (I believe) does this sound right? and if so how can I add the other 4GB?
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[22:03] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, thanks, good to know
[22:04] <BruceLEET> dutchfish, hat are you plugging into
[22:04] <BruceLEET> what*
[22:04] <wfwwdf> Midasx: create another partition or extend the existing one
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[22:04] <SIFTU> Midasx: use something like parted
[22:04] <Midasx> wfwwdf: I figured but I'm havign trouble findinga way to extend teh curernt one
[22:04] <Midasx> And yes I installed parted :)
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, have a look at: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/ for live reparitioning stuff - although it's aimed at Debian, it might work for you.
[22:05] <Midasx> I'm not even sure I can see the unallocated space, anyoen know of a good way to do that?
[22:05] <Midasx> gordonDrogon: Cheers
[22:05] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, the audio jack plug on the board
[22:06] <BruceLEET> outputting to what
[22:06] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, trust stereo speaker with amplifier
[22:07] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, apart from the fact it is very load even at modest levels, it has some kind of burst of tones before the normal audio play begins
[22:07] <BruceLEET> rpi audio out or hdmi out?
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[22:08] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, pri audio out (i was all the way talking about that) the HDMI audio works perfect already.
[22:08] <BruceLEET> dutchfish, burst of tones when...? so it does have playback? or is that referencing the aplay from earlier?
[22:08] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, with aplay, yes
[22:08] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, like if the audiodevice was already locked with something else
[22:09] <BruceLEET> dutchfish, is the noise just at the beginning?
[22:09] <ReggieUK> or the buffer wasn't emptied?
[22:09] <BruceLEET> and/or end
[22:09] <BruceLEET> maybe aplay something longer
[22:10] <ReggieUK> are these single tracks or part of a longer mix?
[22:10] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, yes, only at the start, and it is max volume, just for a short time, then normal audio contous
[22:10] <BruceLEET> ReggieUK, this is from aplay center.wav test
[22:10] <BruceLEET> unless he's talking about something else
[22:10] <ReggieUK> ahh
[22:10] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, yes, then the audio is normal just except the start of it
[22:10] <Midasx> My Pi isn't very stable, i've been runnign it headless and twice I've plugged it into my siwtch and its worked fine but about 5 other times it hasn't/// Oh and both itmes it worked fine it later crashed
[22:11] <BruceLEET> but i think the analog audio out has that issue if i'm not mistakin'
[22:11] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, audio player form the desktop still does not work
[22:11] <BruceLEET> does cmus?
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[22:11] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, let me grab it, a sec
[22:11] <BruceLEET> and have you tried rpi-update?
[22:12] <BruceLEET> i think the firmware has the noise issue addressed in updated versions
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[22:16] <BruceLEET> dutchfish, and what Distro are you usign?
[22:16] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, debian wheezy
[22:16] <BruceLEET> k
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[22:20] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, also the sound is still to loud, no more hard chirps on start with cmus, thanks i know now the problem.
[22:20] <Midasx> Any of you guys going to get involved in young rewired state?
[22:20] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, solved, thank you!
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[22:21] <dutchfish> BruceLEET, aplay doesnt just play nice, when other processes have hooked up to the sound device, that must be it.
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[22:48] <Gadgetoid> sprintf scares me... C scares me...
[22:48] <mervaka> sprintf ftw
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[22:49] <Gadgetoid> I've been writing an Arduino library and attempting to use it liberally without really understanding the concept of a buffer
[22:49] <wfwwdf> don't worry, almost noone understand buffering
[22:49] <Simon-> if you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't be using sprintf
[22:49] <Simon-> use snprintf
[22:50] <Gadgetoid> I keep seeing variations on sprintf
[22:50] <Gadgetoid> But I understand that sprintf doesn't really handle buffer overflows
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[22:52] <Joshun> hi
[22:53] <wfwwdf> hi
[22:53] <Joshun> no idea why but all the debian servers are unusably slow
[22:53] <wfwwdf> debian sucks, go try raspbian
[22:53] <Joshun> can any of you recommend any fast ones?
[22:53] <Joshun> its a good solid distro
[22:54] <Joshun> the servers are just terribly slow
[22:54] <wfwwdf> raspbian is solider
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[22:54] <Joshun> if ubuntu was on the pi servers wouldn't be an issue
[22:54] <Mr_Queue> lol
[22:54] <Mr_Queue> okay
[22:54] <wfwwdf> the pi will never get ubuntu
[22:54] <Joshun> yeah i know
[22:54] <Joshun> it doesn't support armv6
[22:54] <wfwwdf> try raspbian
[22:54] <lenz> folks, compile Gentoo on it )))
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[22:55] <D34TH> ubuntu does have a armhf
[22:55] <Joshun> how does raspbian compare to debian on the pi?
[22:55] <megatog615> raspbian lacks non-free, by the way
[22:55] <Joshun> does it have all the packages and stuff?
[22:55] <lenz> when I get my onw raspberry, I will made image of Gentoo
[22:55] <megatog615> just so you know
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> raspbian has hardware floating point.
[22:55] <Joshun> i wouldn't use gentoo
[22:55] <wfwwdf> raspbian.org
[22:55] <Joshun> don't want to wait ages for everything to compile
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> it's also compiled from scratch to be properly optimised for the CPU.
[22:55] <dmsuse> omg ive been trying for hours to get this wifi working, it wont :(
[22:56] <wfwwdf> dmsuse: chipset?
[22:56] <megatog615> main is not yet completely compiling so they haven't gotten around to non-free and contrib yet
[22:56] <dmsuse> rt2800usb
[22:56] <lenz> Joshun, I will made image
[22:56] <Joshun> how good are the raspbian servers?
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[22:56] <megatog615> Joshun: they work
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> as good as the UK Debian serviers.
[22:56] <Joshun> yeah but with gentoo you have to compile everything
[22:56] <dmsuse> RT5370 lsusb shows
[22:56] <Joshun> its just that 45kb/s is really unsuable
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> hosted by the same company... (well, one of them - one of the better mirrors IMO!)
[22:57] <megatog615> Joshun: with gentoo you really should use qemu chroot or something to get it working
[22:57] <Gadgetoid> Fedora. Just sayin' :)
[22:57] <lenz> Joshun, but if there will be a team, we can made repository with binaries
[22:57] <Joshun> arch would be an option
[22:57] <megatog615> Joshun: gentoo is just not feasible to install directly on the pi
[22:57] <Joshun> yeah i know
[22:57] <Joshun> arch is very fast
[22:57] <Gadgetoid> I use Debian, myself, but Fedora's servers were so fast that my Pi choked on yum update and crashed
[22:57] <megatog615> but gentoo actually seems like a great idea for the pi though
[22:57] <Joshun> lol
[22:57] <megatog615> if you can get it working
[22:58] <megatog615> because a rice distro will actually show a difference on this thing
[22:58] <Joshun> i'm used to debian's packaging system though
[22:58] <Joshun> i use ubuntu/debian at home anyway
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[22:58] <megatog615> same, that's why i use raspbian
[22:58] <Joshun> is it just debian with different mirrors then?
[22:58] <megatog615> i'm just waiting on mame and xbmc to appear in raspbian
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> I have one Pi standard Debian and one Raspbian.
[22:58] <megatog615> yeah pretty much
[22:58] <Joshun> what version of debian is it based on?
[22:58] <wfwwdf> testing
[22:59] <Joshun> testing is good
[22:59] <megatog615> though i think he forgot to make a symlink
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[22:59] <Joshun> so long as it doesn't breal
[22:59] <megatog615> it's actually wheezy
[22:59] <Joshun> *break
[22:59] <wfwwdf> raspbian is debian + hardfloat
[22:59] <megatog615> which is currently testing right now but there is no 'testing' repository
[22:59] <Joshun> oh
[22:59] <dmsuse> isnt it just a case of one personal installing and setting up gentoo then everyone else using their dd copy :P
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[22:59] <megatog615> i think the official debian 'testing' repo is just a symlink to wheezy/
[22:59] <Joshun> what are the best images to get for rasbian then?
[23:00] <Joshun> yeah it is
[23:00] <megatog615> Joshun: i use the hexxeh image
[23:00] <megatog615> Joshun: it hardly resembles it anymore though
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> megatog615, yes, Testing is Wheezy. Sid is unstable.
[23:00] <Joshun> i wonder if anybody's tried a rolling release on sid
[23:00] <ibloat_> harrrdfloattt *guitarwail*
[23:01] <Joshun> would probably just break though
[23:01] <wfwwdf> Joshun: there's hexxeh, pisces and piscesmate
[23:01] <Joshun> hexxeh is a pro anyway
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[23:02] <Joshun> i've tried their chrome os images before which are almost flawless
[23:02] <wfwwdf> no hexxeh is an intern
[23:02] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: yeah i just use 'testing' on my desktop system
[23:02] <Joshun> the image does look a bit rough ariound the edges though
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[23:02] <lenz> folks, and how much is the load average on debian ?
[23:02] <Joshun> Icons for LXDE are missing, so run:... Time is not set, so run:...
[23:03] <wfwwdf> lenz: 17
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> megatog615, I'm a bit more conservative - always stick to stable for desktop, laptops and servers! Rasbpian is the only 'testing' I use right now.
[23:03] <dmsuse> load average: 0.02, 0.12, 0.22
[23:03] <lenz> wfwwdf, toobad!
[23:03] <Joshun> stable is very outdated though
[23:03] <Joshun> but it is very stable for servers
[23:03] <wfwwdf> Joshun: it's a very bare-bones image, try pisces if you want a more standardish linux install
[23:04] <lenz> dmsuse wich distro?
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> Load average will depends on what your doing! 22:02:03 up 2 days, 12:28, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.05, 0.05
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> I've used stable for...ever.
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[23:04] <dmsuse> debian squeeze
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> although I'm now using backports to get libreoffice...
[23:05] <wfwwdf> dmsuse: debian sucks, use raspbian
[23:05] <Joshun> yeah i do that too
[23:05] <lenz> gordonDrogon, if load average is up than 2, between 5 minutes, that means you must change your hardware
[23:05] <Joshun> it doesn't suck
[23:05] <Joshun> if it did raspbian would too
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> lenz, what?
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> lenz, do you know what your talking about?
[23:05] <dmsuse> wfwwdf: its the same thing?
[23:05] <lenz> gordonDrogon, yes, absolutely
[23:05] <Joshun> what web browsers do you guys recommend?
[23:05] <dmsuse> lynx
[23:05] <wfwwdf> midori
[23:05] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: testing on my desktop and laptop, stable on everything else
[23:05] <desolat> lynx
[23:06] <Joshun> too slow :(
[23:06] <Joshun> midori that is
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> lenz, so your telling me that if my load average is > 2 then I need to change hardware?
[23:06] <Joshun> i'll try arora
[23:06] <Joshun> webkit-based
[23:06] <wfwwdf> gordonDrogon: you need to upgrade to the pi2
[23:06] <lenz> gordonDrogon, in normal use of computer, yes
[23:06] <megatog615> the pi2 has a 10 year wait
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> lenz, I've been sysadminiing unix for 20+ years. Go and boil your head.
[23:06] <lenz> not if you reniced process, or changed the RT priority
[23:06] <megatog615> and that's if they don't screw up the shipping date
[23:07] <ibloat_> load average: 6.67, 6.51, 5.68 oh noes
[23:07] <megatog615> btw i just booted up my desktop and i already have 2GB of ram being used
[23:07] <megatog615> wat
[23:07] <lenz> gordonDrogon )))) yeah? years don't means that you are right ;)
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[23:08] <teh_orph> el oh el, guys
[23:08] <Joshun> ftp.ticklers.org seems to be the best server yet
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[23:08] <megatog615> lenz: on average, the older unix/linux dudes are much mroe knowledgable than newer sysadmins
[23:08] <dmsuse> gordon is absolutely right :P
[23:08] <Gadget-Mac> Next thing someone will tell me swap should be 2x physical ram
[23:08] <Draylor> oh dear, another one that doesnt understand load avg (and doesnt know it)
[23:09] <megatog615> interesting, chrome really likes to make use of my ram
[23:09] <megatog615> after closing it i freed up 1.5GB of it
[23:09] <cehteh> haha .. at least thats doable for the rpi .. how about your new 32GB RAM workstation :)
[23:09] <Joshun> does raspbian have any extra packaged ported to the pi?
[23:09] <neofutur> (23:58) <+ lenz> gordonDrogon, if load average is up than 2, between 5 minutes, that means you must change your hardware
[23:09] <Joshun> or just the ones synced from debian
[23:09] <neofutur> I had my pi between 4 and 6 load for 3 days
[23:09] <neofutur> and it works very well
[23:09] <Draylor> lols
[23:10] <ibloat_> neofutur, same here! work it :D
[23:10] <lenz> neofutur, i had up to 8, so what?
[23:10] <Draylor> some crazy make -j nonsense?
[23:10] <Gadget-Mac> I've got several boxes with a load of 32 for days :)
[23:10] <neofutur> emerge -e world to test how stable it as with my overclocking settings
[23:10] <lenz> neofutur on sparc
[23:10] <neofutur> lenz: why would I need to change my hardware ?
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> want a high load average? crash an NFS server then watch the clients wail... ;-)
[23:10] <neofutur> i m speaking on load in the pi lenz, i dont mind your sparc
[23:10] <Simon-> the load average is just a crude guideline
[23:10] <wfwwdf> neofutur: your pi is outdated, you need v2
[23:11] <neofutur> I reached 60 load on a dell server but its really offtopic here
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[23:11] <ibloat_> wait until you see the load average on my bicycle
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[23:11] <lenz> folks, high load average does not mean that everything is ok
[23:11] <Gadget-Mac> lenz: neither does it mean something is wrong
[23:12] <lenz> it means, that some process taken too meny system resources
[23:12] <dmsuse> you just banned 90% of the uk
[23:12] <ibloat_> lenz, so it must mean everything is going to burn?
[23:12] <Simon-> dmsuse: that's a non-NAT IP
[23:12] <ReggieUK> no i didn't :)
[23:12] <lenz> not to burn, but your pc hangs then
[23:12] <dmsuse> through threemobile? i don't think so
[23:12] <dmsuse> they use a proxy for all threemobile users
[23:12] <neofutur> lenz: high load average means your pi is working, using resources
[23:12] <Simon-> dmsuse: there are two APNs
[23:12] <Draylor> they've got 27 customers total, no damage done ;)
[23:12] <neofutur> and normal when I did a amerge -e world
[23:12] <Simon-> dmsuse: one is NATed, the other is a public IP
[23:12] <lenz> and you want to say that load average up to 6 is ok? come on!
[23:12] <neofutur> was the goal to test load
[23:13] <dmsuse> :O does tmobile have that too ?
[23:13] <Simon-> dmsuse: the NAT ones do not have the IP in the hostname
[23:13] <Simon-> no idea
[23:13] <neofutur> lenz: yes and its been ok for 3 days uninterrupted on mine
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[23:13] <neofutur> lenz: you have no idea what you re talking about imo
[23:13] <ReggieUK> either way, he's a ban dodger
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[23:14] <lenz> no, I think you missunderstand me, because my english is not too good
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[23:14] <lenz> I mean that, the load of your PC is too high, and you wll get low performance
[23:14] <Simon-> lenz: it's not that simple
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> lenz it's not that simple
[23:15] <lenz> that means whu you must change hardware on a better one
[23:15] <neofutur> no
[23:15] <Simon-> the load average is calculated every 5.001 seconds for a reason
[23:15] <Syliss> ugh, i cannot wait for cables to get here, i wanna use my lap dock sooo bad
[23:15] <neofutur> that just means I typed emerge -e world :p
[23:15] <lenz> ok )) explain me whu?
[23:15] <Draylor> using load avg numbers in that way is somewhere between silly & dangerous
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[23:15] <Simon-> because when they calculated it every 5 seconds it synced with a thread I had running once every second... and the load appeared to be 1.00 constantly even though it did very little every second
[23:16] <Simon-> it's a very crude measurement
[23:16] <lenz> Simon, i know it
[23:16] <dmsuse> anyone else got a Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[23:16] <dmsuse> ?
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[23:17] <lenz> and if you have load average whole day up to 6-7, it's ok?
[23:17] <mervaka> dmsuse: i have an RT3070
[23:17] <mervaka> if thats similar
[23:17] <Gadget-Mac> lenz: That would depend on the hardware being used
[23:17] <mervaka> i think?
[23:17] <Draylor> the answer to that is hte same as any other load average query: "it depends"
[23:17] <lenz> Man, that what I mean!
[23:17] <dmsuse> mervaka: duno, mine is a really really cheap tiny one, from ebay
[23:17] <mervaka> 148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter
[23:19] <dmsuse> mervaka: are you using a hub with that?
[23:19] <mervaka> dmsuse: nope, straight in
[23:19] <dmsuse> mine scans oaky, just cant get it to associate
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[23:20] <mervaka> iwlist?
[23:20] <mervaka> iwconfig?
[23:20] <mervaka> ah
[23:20] <mervaka> wait
[23:20] <XeCrypt> its a lucky day :) the Pi got shipped
[23:20] <mervaka> i had to download a debian package for the wifi drivers
[23:20] <Joshun> why do most web browsers cause the cpu usage to soar up to 100%?
[23:20] <lenz> XeCrypt, congrats
[23:21] <dmsuse> Joshun: heavy reading from the hdd?
[23:21] <XeCrypt> thx :)
[23:21] <lenz> where are you from?
[23:21] <Joshun> it shouldn't be too heavy
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> right. bread to knead then off to bed I think.
[23:21] <Joshun> dwb and other webkit browsers are supposed to be lightweight
[23:21] <XeCrypt> germany
[23:22] <lenz> XeCrypt where are you from?
[23:22] <Syliss> what is the best web browser so far
[23:22] <Syliss> ?
[23:22] <Joshun> now the x sever has crashed! :(
[23:22] <XeCrypt> lynx *gg*
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[23:23] <lenz> XeCrypt, I'm waiting 4 months! ))))))) since I registered interess )))
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[23:23] <Joshun> Syliss - i would say dillo - its the only onethat doesn't hammer the cpu. but it never loads webpages correctly
[23:24] <Syliss> lol
[23:24] <Joshun> maybe its my sd card class speed
[23:24] <XeCrypt> wow thats heavy.. I ordered mine in second wave, from farnell
[23:24] <Joshun> its only a class 4 i think
[23:24] <XeCrypt> when they sent me a mail after I registered interest
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[23:24] <XeCrypt> then they said it would be shipped in the week of 9.7.
[23:25] <XeCrypt> and today I got the confirmation email :)
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[23:25] <XeCrypt> oh.. actually the mail was sent on friday :P even better
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[23:25] <lenz> XeCrypt, mee too, but I'm from Georgia, in next 4 weeks PI will be arrived )) that's maximum delivery peroid that thay told me )))
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[23:26] <XeCrypt> am soo excited.. even if I have tons of custom linux hw
[23:26] <XeCrypt> but none with hdmi :P
[23:27] <XeCrypt> actually, thats wrong... x360 has hdmi.. but its soo slow.. so power consuming.. no gpu acceleration
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[23:27] <XeCrypt> so the Pi is a far better deal
[23:27] <lenz> yeah!
[23:27] <XeCrypt> this is a channel for non-technical talk too, isnt it? dont get mad at me :P
[23:28] <lenz> many my co-workers bought PI to use hdmi
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[23:28] <XeCrypt> I guess 80% of the people will use it for xbmc
[23:28] <XeCrypt> <-- too.. + some additional services
[23:28] <XeCrypt> like dhcpd + tftp
[23:29] <lenz> what means xbmc?
[23:29] <XeCrypt> xbox media center
[23:29] <lenz> aah
[23:29] <lenz> yes
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[23:29] <lenz> my co-workers want to integrate PI into the big tft display
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[23:30] <XeCrypt> to do what, serving normal desktop pc purpose?
[23:30] <lenz> only I want to use for smart house solutions, and for firewall, ids-like something. network statistics via snmp...
[23:31] <XeCrypt> soo many possibilities :)
[23:32] <lenz> XeCrypt, It is important I think
[23:33] <lenz> when provider tells you, ouh, your connection is down because viruses...
[23:33] <bill_h> I found this line in some arm assembly code: "orr r1, r1, #0x0000". I thought x or 0 would just be x. Why would someone write this line? Wouldn't "nop" be better if the goal was to do nothing?
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[23:33] <neofutur> lenz: because I wanted to test how stable my pi was with high load and for a long time
[23:33] <Joshun> does anyone else experience web browser performance issues?
[23:34] <Joshun> maybe i just need a different sd card
[23:34] <lenz> neofutur, ok ok ))) i'l repeat, I'm not native english speaker
[23:34] <neofutur> then the fearless pi obeyed me and used gcc for 3 days uninterrupted
[23:35] <neofutur> yes load was high, he was using all the cpu, ram and disk IO he could
[23:35] <neofutur> and he made it
[23:35] <lenz> neofutur, that's really good
[23:35] <neofutur> brave and valiant pi
[23:35] <lenz> If you want to get more cool test, try to compile ATLAS
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[23:36] <lenz> on my ultrasparc PC, there was something about 25 days
[23:36] <Joshun> the Pisces image is useless unless you have an 8gb card
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[23:47] <Xark> bill_h: Interesting question. It could be another flavor of NOP (BTW, "official" ARM NOP is really "andeq r0,r0,r0" - so exactly the same pointlessness). It is possible this is a "fixup" for something that ended up on a 64K boundary (or you are looking at a .o file pre-linker).
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[23:49] <zypher> I just got my Raspberry pi, I was wondering what is the best OS for it ?
[23:50] <Mike632T> raspbian unless you are a beginner
[23:50] <friggle> zypher: or the wheezy beta http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435
[23:50] <zypher> thanks
[23:50] <Mike632T> in which case use the official debian squeeze image
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[23:51] <friggle> Mike632T: no, use the wheezy beta
[23:51] <zypher> what are you guys using your raspberry pi's for ?
[23:51] <friggle> Mike632T: the squeeze image is rather outdated now, we need to get rid of it (or at least refresh it for those who actually want squeeze)
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[23:51] <Fozzey> does wheezy have uvc (webcam) modules
[23:52] <friggle> Fozzey: yep
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[23:53] <reider59> I find the Wheezy image much more stable, faster, a good menu with starter options in it + the sound turned on at source. Suits me...
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[23:53] <bill_h> Xark: Thanks. I'm looking at one of the system configuration files for armpit scheme. The particular section of code configures the pads for the serial port on an OMAP3530.
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[23:55] <bill_h> Xark: the whole whole armpit binary is less than 64k.
[23:56] <Xark> bill_h: Well, it may well be a NOP (but that would be a tiny bit odd - but possible if hand coded). :)
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[23:57] <Xark> bill_h: So just to clarify, this file is directly executable (IOW a direct "memory image" or it will be "loaded" and possibly relocated before execution)?
[23:57] <Fozzey> anybody know.... there are a couple wheezy img's out there which one is the most complete?
[23:58] <friggle> Fozzey: I'm biased but would say http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435
[23:58] <Joshun> zypher: great for internet tv surfing, programming/development, lightweight word processing.
[23:58] <reider59> The Wheezy Beta that Friggle linked to
[23:58] <Joshun> hardware options are great too
[23:59] <Fozzey> need uvc support
[23:59] <friggle> Fozzey: the firmware included on that release has those modules compiled
[23:59] <friggle> Fozzey: or get that on any other image by updating to the latest firmware
[23:59] <Fozzey> outstanding
[23:59] <zypher> yeah i am thinking of doing something like a PIP
[23:59] <zypher> picture in picture
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