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IRC Log for 2012-07-02

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[0:00] <zypher> Joshun, do you know what OS will have a good HDMI api fo rme to use
[0:00] <bill_h> Xark: It's loaded and then directly executed.
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[0:01] <Joshun> zypher: debian wheezy has an easy setup, openelec is best for multimedia systems
[0:01] <zypher> cool thanlks
[0:01] <zypher> i will check openelec out
[0:02] <Joshun> haven't tested it yet but it looks good
[0:02] <Joshun> the only problem i'm having at the moment is sd card performance
[0:02] <zypher> i see
[0:02] <zypher> what SD card are u using
[0:02] <Joshun> it may be because i'm using a generic card
[0:02] <dmsuse> so use a usb drive :P
[0:02] <Mike632T> Joshun: actual speed or errors
[0:02] <Joshun> actual speed
[0:02] <Joshun> its a class 4
[0:02] <friggle> Joshun: which image are you using?
[0:02] <Joshun> wheezy
[0:03] <Joshun> but still faster than squeeze
[0:03] <friggle> Joshun: if it's my wheezy beta, then that should include all the sd perf improvements from zgreg
[0:03] <friggle> Joshun: ok
[0:03] <Joshun> web browsers and stuff are slow
[0:03] <Mike632T> Joshun: You can use a faster card but will probably need to update the firmware (first) to get it to work reliably.
[0:04] <Joshun> yeah
[0:04] <Joshun> i'm just wondering whether its the card or just limitations of the pi itsekf
[0:04] <Joshun> *itself
[0:04] <friggle> Joshun: some cards do have terrible performance for e.g. 4K writes
[0:04] <friggle> which means with a linux filesystem, it's horrifically slow
[0:05] <Joshun> yeah
[0:05] <Joshun> its a generic make
[0:05] <Joshun> teamgroup i think
[0:05] <Joshun> i do have others i'll try sometime
[0:05] <Joshun> haven't tried updating the firmware yet though
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[0:09] <Mike632T> I'm sure I've seen a setting to force the Pi to use the HDMI video output somewhere but I can't find it now can someone point me in the right direction - Thanks
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[0:10] <Joshun> doesn't hdmi activate automatically when plugged in
[0:10] <Joshun> otherwise it falls back to composite video
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[0:11] <Mike632T> unfortunately my monitor doesn't seem to detect the input unless it is active - and the Pi doesn't detect an output unless it is active...
[0:12] <Joshun> Mike632T - is that video aswell, or just sound
[0:12] <Mike632T> If I could force HDMI then I'd avoid having switch my screen on and off so often
[0:12] <Joshun> oh
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[0:12] <Mike632T> Just video I havn't got around to messing with sound yet
[0:12] <Joshun> try this:http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#No_HDMI_output_at_all
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[0:13] <Joshun> Mike632T - this should work: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#No_HDMI_output_at_all
[0:15] <bill_h> Xark: I commented out the orr line, recompiled, and it still works.
[0:16] <bill_h> Xark: mystery orr
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[0:16] <Xark> bill_h: OK. Some more evidence it was just a NOP (or other "placeholder").
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[0:17] <Mike632T> Joshun: Thanks hdmi_force_hotplug=1 should do the trick
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[0:18] <Walther> ...the rpi-update broke my install *again*
[0:18] <Walther> there's something wrong with the lates FW
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[0:19] <Mike632T> I updated earlier today had any problems (using raspbian)
[0:19] <Walther> Raspbian here as well... I just get the dreaded six blinks of the led
[0:19] <Mike632T> and have not had ..
[0:20] <friggle> it's been fine for me too
[0:20] <Mike632T> Did to update everything successfully - first attempt failed as I didn't have boot mounted and that was a mess
[0:21] * Xark wishes rpi-update would tell you an identifier as to what you already have and tell you the version it is about to fetch (with Y/N prompt).
[0:21] * ibloat_ dd's the sdcard before fw updates
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[0:21] <Mike632T> s/to/it/
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[0:22] <Xark> ibloat_: Probably not a bad idea, given the current version "roulette". :)
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[0:26] <friggle> could those of you having update problems please investigate what has gone wrong?
[0:26] <friggle> e.g. if you mount the sd and look in the boot dir, are all the expected files there?
[0:26] <Walther> friggle: at least for me, the filesystem seems corrupt
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[0:26] <Walther> friggle: I can't mount the boot partition as rw, even with sudo
[0:26] <Walther> friggle: ...and hence I can't rename/remove the start.elf files
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[0:27] <Walther> and this was the second time I got the same issue
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[0:29] <Walther> veeti@corretto:~$ sudo rm -rf /media/sdb1/start.elf
[0:29] <Walther> rm: cannot remove `/media/sdb1/start.elf': Read-only file system
[0:29] <ReggieUK> e2fsck?
[0:29] <mythos> dosfsck
[0:30] <ReggieUK> or that
[0:30] <ReggieUK> :D
[0:30] <friggle> Walther: :/
[0:30] <Walther> e2fsck: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...
[0:30] <Walther> e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb1
[0:31] <ReggieUK> e2fsck is the wrong command if you're checking the fat partition
[0:31] <mythos> it's a fat... don't use e2fsck on a fat-partition
[0:31] <Walther> ...well, what then :)
[0:32] <ReggieUK> fsck.vfat
[0:32] <mythos> umount /dev/sdb1; dosfsck -r /dev/sdb1
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[0:33] <Walther> ...proof for rpi-update borking the install
[0:33] <Walther> dosfsck 3.0.12, 29 Oct 2011, FAT32, LFN
[0:33] <Walther> /start.elf Contains a free cluster (28022). Assuming EOF.
[0:33] <Walther> /start.elf File size is 2036936 bytes, cluster chain length is 0 bytes. Truncating file to 0 bytes.
[0:33] <Walther> Reclaimed 1002 unused clusters (1026048 bytes).
[0:33] <Walther> Free cluster summary wrong (35862 vs. really 37865)
[0:33] <Walther> 1) Correct
[0:33] <Walther> 2) Don't correct
[0:33] <Walther> ?
[0:33] <friggle> if any of you can consistently reproduce this, it would be interesting if you took a dd of the /boot partition both before and after the failed upgrade
[0:34] <friggle> and indeed sha1sum /boot/* before shutting down the pi
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[0:34] <Mike632T> looks like it didn't finish writing properly...
[0:34] <thechef> I'm would like to compile quake3 for raspberry Pi, but I have no idea where to start.
[0:34] <Walther> And yes, that was the second time that happened to me
[0:35] <Walther> last time it was on squeeze, now raspbian/wheezy
[0:35] <Mike632T> Or your SD card is playing up ...
[0:35] <mythos> friggle, i get this everytime i update raspbian's hexxeh-image the first time
[0:35] <Walther> mythos: how have you solved it then?
[0:35] <neofutur> yup i d also bet for a sd card problem
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[0:36] <friggle> mythos: probably more interesting if the version of the kernel you're starting from is at least 17th of June
[0:36] <Mike632T> Hmm - try sync;sync;sync from the command line after updating to make sure all writes are flushed before you shutdown/reboot
[0:36] <Walther> ...an sd problem that consistently occurs after a specific upgrade
[0:36] <mythos> Walther, fix it with dosfsck and copy and rename one of those start.elfs
[0:36] <Walther> I don't think so
[0:36] <Walther> mythos: on it. I didn't know it was fixable
[0:36] <neofutur> I d try to mv start.elf start.elf.old are redo rpi-update
[0:36] <Mike632T> Walther: I'd tend to agree
[0:37] <neofutur> this ay the new start.elf should be somewhere else on the card
[0:37] <mythos> friggle, the image is bretty old. to that time there were many sdcard-bugs around
[0:37] <neofutur> if it works the sd card is dying
[0:37] <SSilver2k2> bam, advancemess binaries and tutorial posted http://blog.sheasilverman.com/?p=121
[0:38] <mythos> Walther, i you haven't rebooted it, yes, you can fix it with the pi running
[0:38] <Walther> mythos: no, i meant, i was surprised that it is fixable at all with the fsck, last / the first time i had it, I dd'd the whole image again
[0:39] <mythos> Walther, that's not necessary
[0:39] <mythos> .o(in the most cases i hope)
[0:39] <Walther> yeah, that's nice to knpw
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[0:46] <Walther> now my pi refuses ssh connections.
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[0:47] <ReggieUK> SSilver2k2, well done!
[0:48] <SSilver2k2> thank you sir
[0:48] <SSilver2k2> its not perfect, but it works for now
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[0:49] <friggle> ok, it seems Dom pushed the new firmware to hexxeh's rpi-update repo but not raspberrypi/firmware until just now. So I haven't actually tested the very latest one myself
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[0:50] <MIG-> thechef: http://mitchtech.net/install-quake-3-on-raspberry-pi/
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[0:51] <MIG-> my kernel logs are riddled with sd card errors too
[0:51] <MIG-> I just boot my os from sd card and set my thumb drive as the root device
[0:51] <MIG-> seems to provide a more responsive system also
[0:52] <thechef> MIG-, thanks, but the link to the binaries is dead here, I found instead this: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianQuake3
[0:52] <thechef> I don't think I have "Raspbian" whatever that it, but I guess it works without
[0:53] <thechef> ah Raspbian is just debian on raspi, then I guess I have Raspbian
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[0:53] <friggle> thechef: no, raspbian is Debian on the pi with all packages recompiled for the pi's processor (to use its floating point unit)
[0:54] <Arch-RPi> thechef dont let raspbian and wheezy beta confuse you...they are different
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[0:54] <thechef> I think I use squeeze
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[0:57] <Arch-RPi> look in yout /etc/apt/sources.list see which one is referencd
[0:57] <Arch-RPi> err your
[0:57] <Walther> ...why am I getting a connection refused all the time?
[0:57] <Walther> the Pi whos up in my router's table
[0:57] <Walther> shows*
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[0:58] <RITRedbeard> do you guys have gcc and libs on your Pis?
[0:58] <RITRedbeard> just to compile small stuff?
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[0:59] <Arch-RPi> Walther: im assuming you are running headless?
[0:59] <Walther> Arch-RPi: yup
[0:59] <MIG-> RITRedbeard: apt-get or pacman should give you any packages you need to compile
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[0:59] <markbook> I don't generally install compilers unless I'm actually doing proper development (which can mean rebuilding packages)
[0:59] <markbook> SO yeah, if you need to rebuild things, ...what MIG said.
[0:59] <Arch-RPi> Walther: then it looks like its time to make it un-headless
[1:00] <markbook> or get a USB serial
[1:00] <Arch-RPi> RITRedbeard: i dont but alot of folks do
[1:00] <Walther> Arch-RPi: don't have a monitor with hdmi/composite :/
[1:00] <Walther> Arch-RPi: dvi and vga only :|
[1:00] <MIG-> Walther: I use a hdmi->dvi adapter
[1:00] <Walther> MIG-: if i had a one
[1:00] <Arch-RPi> they made a dvi to vga adapters
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[1:00] <MIG-> kk
[1:01] <Arch-RPi> Walther: how did you install whatever os you had then?
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[1:02] <Walther> ...i've got a desktop computer, dd'd the image to SD, made sure sshd is on
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[1:02] <MIG-> Walther: two suggestions. One, make sure you have the right ip address (nmap -sV -p 22 192.168.1.1-255). Two, ensure that sshd is running (I forget what file it is, but it's obvious and in your boot partition).
[1:03] <MIG-> nmap will help with ensuring that sshd is in fact on
[1:04] <Walther> MIG-: i've nmapped my network dozens of times, i know the subnet address... But i'm not sure if a) my router's nat is working (seriously, the thing has a life of its own) and b) if the sshd starts
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[1:04] <Tenchworks> MIG-, the -p is port I' assuming, what is the -sV do?
[1:05] <MIG-> prints the service
[1:05] <MIG-> not absolutely needed
[1:05] <Tenchworks> I'll keep that in mind
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[1:06] <MIG-> Walther: does nmap indicate the port is open for the ip you believe to be your raspberry pi ?
[1:06] <Walther> in which file can I make sure sshd is started?
[1:06] <Walther> Raspbian here
[1:07] <MIG-> hmm, I haven't updated in a bit, but last I checked it was in the boot partition
[1:07] <MIG-> let me look
[1:07] <Walther> MIG-: 2222/tcp filtered unknown
[1:08] <MIG-> /media/95F5-0D7A/boot_enable_ssh.rc
[1:08] <Arch-RPi> MIG-: no services are in /boot
[1:08] <Walther> MIG-: this is raspbian
[1:08] <MIG-> so, the boot partition of your device, the file name is boot_enable_ssh.rc
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[1:09] <MIG-> hmm
[1:09] <Walther> i'm not on squeeze
[1:09] <MIG-> Changes from the previous r2 image are as follows:
[1:09] <MIG-> SSH server included, launches on boot by default
[1:09] <markbook> to the creators of raspbmc: however much you like nano and dislike vi, without vi it's not standard *nix.
[1:09] <MIG-> http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[1:09] <bnmorgan> how do i get out of root once i've done sudo su
[1:10] <MIG-> exit
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[1:10] <bnmorgan> wtf
[1:10] <bnmorgan> sorry.
[1:10] <bnmorgan> wrong chan
[1:10] <MIG-> markbook: I'd extend that to include vim
[1:10] <Walther> MIG-: I know that. However, after last rpi-update, i'm not sure if it starts anymore
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[1:10] <Arch-RPi> markbook: not everyone knows vi
[1:10] <bnmorgan> exit? it's that simple???
[1:10] <MIG-> I feel retarded in simple vi
[1:10] <MIG-> bnmorgan: ya
[1:10] <bnmorgan> wow.
[1:10] <markbook> MIG and Arch-RPi: But POSIX requires vi.
[1:10] <MIG-> oh ok
[1:10] <markbook> include what ever else you want
[1:11] <markbook> you don't have to like it.
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[1:11] <Arch-RPi> i think its silly to call something its not when you can just as easy install it on your own using apt-get or aptitude or yum
[1:11] <bnmorgan> pi boots on hdmi, but doesn't look "normal"
[1:11] <MIG-> Walther: I'm not too familiar with raspbian are you using raspbian-r3.zip ?
[1:11] <bnmorgan> like, black screen, right click menu, nothing else on the screen
[1:12] <Walther> MIG-: yup
[1:12] <MIG-> k
[1:12] <MIG-> how did you flash/setup your sd card again ?
[1:12] <Walther> MIG-: sd card to a card reader, dd
[1:12] <MIG-> k
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[1:12] <Walther> and again, my pi worked until I ran rpi-update
[1:13] <MIG-> just checking all the bases, did you issue a sync at the end ?
[1:13] <MIG-> oh ok
[1:13] <Walther> ...after which I reflashed, everything worked again, ran rpi-update, same issue.
[1:13] <MIG-> well then
[1:13] <Arch-RPi> markbook: what do you mean its required? POSIX isnt devined by an editor
[1:14] <oldtopman> Walther: What issue?
[1:14] <Walther> ...scroll up, read the last hour :)
[1:14] <MIG-> lol
[1:14] <MIG-> Nmap scan report for 192.168.1.110
[1:14] <MIG-> Host is up (0.0011s latency).
[1:14] <MIG-> PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
[1:14] <MIG-> 22/tcp open ssh OpenSSH 6.0p1 Debian 2 (protocol 2.0)
[1:14] <MIG-> Service Info: OS: Linux
[1:14] <Walther> ...first issue was that it wouldn't boot anymore
[1:14] <MIG-> my nmap result with debian
[1:14] <MIG-> whezzy
[1:14] <oldtopman> Walther: Wasn't here an hour ago :(
[1:14] <markbook> no, POSIX is the specification. It specifies what I minimal system is so that anyone who knows that much can go to work. Without the meeting the spec, you have not ensured that people can work who know the spec
[1:15] <oldtopman> tl;dr edition?
[1:15] <Walther> that was fixed with fsck fortunately. However, now it boots but I can't get in
[1:15] <markbook> bourne shell is also required as are a number of other tools.
[1:15] <markbook> nevermind, wrong place for this rant and apt-get install vim works :-S
[1:15] <MIG-> using raspbian, headless setup, installed rasbian-r3, ran rpi-update, sshd can't be accessed.
[1:15] <bnmorgan> can mplayer play a movie from command line?
[1:16] <MIG-> Walther: how do you know that it's booted successfully ?
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[1:16] <Walther> MIG-: well, i don't - but at least I don't get the six-blinker anymore
[1:16] <markbook> bnmorgan: if the rest of the environment is properly set, yes.
[1:16] <MIG-> kk
[1:16] <markbook> after all, all a GUI click does is invoke a CLI command.
[1:16] <bnmorgan> markbook: um. i don't understand,
[1:17] <bnmorgan> but i can't get lxde to work out of hdmi
[1:17] <oldtopman> So, raspbian vs Debian on rpi?
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[1:17] <MIG-> rpi-update will only work after time has been set. Install ntp as described above or set the time with ntpdate:
[1:17] <oldtopman> I thought they were the same, but chich is reccomended?
[1:17] <Walther> oldtopman: raspbian is "better", however, it is still in development
[1:17] <mervaka> YES
[1:17] <mervaka> i have two servos working
[1:17] <Arch-RPi> Walther: i have an extra sd card...i can set it up and see if it happens to me....
[1:17] <MIG-> oldtopman:I've been told that raspbian's binaries are recompiled to take advantage of the FPU
[1:17] <mervaka> simultaneously
[1:18] <markbook> you really do want to use the one tuned for Pi, even if it's not prime-time yet.
[1:18] <mervaka> off the headphone jack
[1:18] <Walther> Arch-RPi: hexxeh raspbian image
[1:18] <MIG-> mervaka: dude, I've been working on that all weekend
[1:18] <MIG-> with little progress
[1:18] <oldtopman> Is it really *that* much better?
[1:18] <mervaka> MIG-: really?
[1:18] <MIG-> I have my servo moving
[1:18] <oldtopman> I just blew up X on my debian install, so reflashing now
[1:18] <MIG-> but can't control it
[1:18] <mervaka> a few of us have been discussing this here all weekend
[1:18] <MIG-> unweildy beast
[1:18] <markbook> bnmorgan: you have to have an X server running. If it's not, nothing that requires it (any GUI output program) will work.
[1:18] <Arch-RPi> Walther: ok give me a moment
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[1:18] <mythos> oldtopman, depends on your usecase
[1:19] <mervaka> ive just finished getting a pair of common emitter amplifiers working as a level shifter
[1:19] <oldtopman> mythos: Goofing around, eventually using it to play games on a TV
[1:19] <markbook> so your first problem is to get X11 running (LXDE is a desktop environment running on top of X11)
[1:19] <MIG-> The servo I am using takes a duty cycle as input from =~ .7 ms to =~ 3ms. Based on a SINGLE PWM you encode the degree 0-180 that you want the servo at
[1:19] <mervaka> servos usually want 0.5ms-2.5ms
[1:19] <mythos> oldtopman, in your case... it doesn't matter
[1:19] <MIG-> k, thanks
[1:19] <mervaka> and center at 1.5ms
[1:19] <mervaka> in theory, anyway
[1:20] <MIG-> true
[1:20] <bnmorgan> markbook, how do i do that
[1:20] <MIG-> mine was emperical :)
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[1:20] <MIG-> are you using a servo then mervaka ?
[1:20] <oldtopman> mythos: Alright. What usercases would matter/what are the advantages of either distro?
[1:20] <mervaka> MIG-: yeah, two now :)
[1:20] <MIG-> mervaka: l33t
[1:20] <MIG-> mervaka: did you use the pwm interface (pin 18) ?
[1:20] <mervaka> left and right headphone channels are PWM0/1
[1:20] <mervaka> originally i used gpio18, yeah
[1:20] <RITRedbeard> wait
[1:21] <mervaka> you can almost plug that straight in
[1:21] <RITRedbeard> you're driving headphones via PWM and I presume some op-amp?
[1:21] <eb_> Is there a really clever way, on a brand new 16 GB SD card that I just imaged with windows disk imager to utilize the remaining ~12 GB space? My first attempt to use GParted to create an ext4 partition somehow made X break.
[1:21] <RITRedbeard> dude -________-
[1:21] <RITRedbeard> that's sick
[1:21] <mervaka> RITRedbeard: driving servos from the 3.5mm jack
[1:21] <MIG-> mervaka: I know little about hardware. I don't think I have an op-amp involved
[1:21] <mervaka> two servos
[1:21] <mythos> oldtopman, here take a look http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance
[1:21] <mervaka> MIG-: i dont, just two NPN transistors
[1:21] <oldtopman> eb_: Just move the swap to the back and resize the main one.
[1:21] <RITRedbeard> driving servos from the audio erm DAC?
[1:21] <mervaka> RITRedbeard: its not a DAC
[1:22] <mervaka> RITRedbeard: its a pair of PWM drivers
[1:22] <bnmorgan> eb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4VovMDnsIE&feature=plcp
[1:22] <mervaka> RITRedbeard: servos also use PWM for control
[1:22] <eb_> oldtopman: Thanks!
[1:22] <markbook> bnmorgan: pull down a distro image that has it pre-configured?
[1:22] <MIG-> mervaka: do you have code ?
[1:22] <oldtopman> eb_: If you need help with it, just ask me.
[1:22] <RITRedbeard> but
[1:22] <MIG-> mervaka: did you alter the clock frequency ?
[1:22] <RITRedbeard> but
[1:22] <eb_> oldtopman: Will do.
[1:22] * markbook doesn't build stuff up from scratch when he can avoid it and someone else has done the work.
[1:22] <mervaka> MIG-: sort of. been hacking up gordonDrogon's wiringpi code
[1:22] <MIG-> mervaka: I started with that code.
[1:22] <markbook> and I'm stuck because all I have are non-working SD cards :-(
[1:22] <RITRedbeard> you could probably use a soundcard to generate PWM
[1:23] <bnmorgan> markbook: which does? i'm way too new at this shtuff.
[1:23] <RITRedbeard> VICTORY
[1:23] <mervaka> MIG-: you want to stick the pwm driver into ms mode to begin with
[1:23] <MIG-> ok
[1:23] <bnmorgan> stupid darkelec won't play avi movies for me.
[1:23] <mervaka> MIG-: i then doubled the clock frequency
[1:23] <mervaka> MIG-: then set the range to 24000
[1:23] <mervaka> MIG-: which gives a pwm frequency of 50hz
[1:24] <MIG-> mervaka: is there a dependency with the MODE1 and MSEN1 ?
[1:24] <MIG-> omg, I need that frequency :)
[1:24] <MIG-> been looking how to get to that
[1:24] <Arch-Cloud> Walther: so you wrote the image...apt-get update and rpi-update right?
[1:24] * mervaka makes a video
[1:24] <MIG-> I've been reading the BCM2835 datasheet
[1:24] <markbook> I'd probably start with the debian or archlinux distros from the Pi web site
[1:25] <mervaka> MIG-: in fact, give me a few minutes, and i'll hook this bad boy up to the rest of my RC car code!
[1:25] <MIG-> the m/s mode is set via the MSEN1 bit. Does that depend on MODE1 being set to PCM mode (aka. NOT serialise mode)
[1:25] <MIG-> lol
[1:25] <MIG-> nice
[1:25] <mervaka> we dont want pcm, no
[1:25] <markbook> I've been trying OpenELEC and RaspBMC and OpenELEC boots XBMC on my pi. RaspBMC seems to boot, install, upgrade and then die initializing the SD card on first reboot.
[1:25] <MIG-> pcm ?
[1:25] <MIG-> whoops
[1:25] <Walther> Arch-Cloud: yup
[1:25] <MIG-> PCM == PWM
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[1:25] <Walther> got to go now though, sorry
[1:25] <Walther> Arch-Cloud: /query me the results, ok? Thanks!
[1:26] <Arch-Cloud> Walther: ok
[1:26] <MIG-> mervaka: were you able to get the hardware to issue a single Pulse and then stop ?
[1:26] <markbook> and in general I don't bother with the graphics on most things. The Pi is an exception since the point is to hook it to my TV.
[1:27] <eb_> oldtopman: On the demo, they use SSH to the Pi? One doesn't do this on the pi itself, or does one?
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[1:27] <oldtopman> eb_: No idea about a demo. :/
[1:27] <eb_> oldtopman: Does one do this on the pi, in the command line?
[1:28] <oldtopman> repartition?
[1:28] <mervaka> MIG-: thats not what we want on servos?
[1:28] <oldtopman> You do it on a desktop on the SD card.
[1:28] <MIG-> mervaka: maybe not exactly
[1:28] <eb_> oldtopman: Yes. They delete the primary partition, the swap right after it then create a bigger one; then recreate the file system.
[1:28] <MIG-> I suppose leaving the pwm pulse continuing is fine, it will "lock" the servo in a position
[1:29] <eb_> oldtopman: Maybe do this in GParted on my linux mint?
[1:29] <MIG-> vs. stopping the pwm and having it "naturally" remain in its position
[1:29] <MIG-> I suppose getting the frequency correct is the main part
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[1:31] <bnmorgan> markbook: i have deb from the rpi site
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[1:31] <MIG-> mervaka: I'd be interested in the code when you get a chance.
[1:32] <markbook> bnmorgan: then you're ahead of me. My approved SD cards aren't due mail-order until Fri... :-(
[1:32] <markbook> bnmorgan: mind if I PM and we can talk about what you're trying to accomplish and I can try to give you answers that are a bit less flippant?
[1:32] <oldtopman> eb_: Yeah, that's for the best.
[1:33] <bnmorgan> sure
[1:33] <mervaka> MIG-: sure. i'm just having a few problems at the moment, i need to set locks when writing i think lol
[1:33] <eb_> oldtopman: Does gparted create the filesystem and/or creates the filesystem for me? Will I still need to edit /etc/fstab?
[1:33] <MIG-> mervaka: *(pcm + PWMCLK_DIV) = 0x5A000000 | (64<<12); <--- does that double the clock?
[1:34] <MIG-> eb_: fstab is a config for the boot scripts to mount the given partitions
[1:34] <MIG-> so no, you will not need to edit
[1:35] <eb_> MIG: OK. Thanks. I just don't want to risk breaking something else.
[1:35] <mervaka> 16<<12
[1:35] <mervaka> other way ;/
[1:35] <MIG-> k
[1:35] <mervaka> ;)
[1:35] <mervaka> even
[1:37] <_inc> hi
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[1:38] <mervaka> MIG-: would be advantageous for you to debug your pwm using xoscope or something
[1:38] <mervaka> so you can see whats happening
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[1:39] <MIG-> mervaka: is that software ?
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[1:40] <mervaka> MIG-: apt-get install xoscope
[1:40] <mervaka> :)
[1:40] <MIG-> sweetness
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[1:40] <mervaka> then you can use your sound card as an AF scope
[1:40] <MIG-> makes sense
[1:40] <MIG-> I've been using headphones :)
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[1:41] <mervaka> you wont really hear pwm that well
[1:41] <mervaka> only through headphones
[1:41] <mervaka> er
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[1:41] <mervaka> only a slight phasing effect
[1:42] <eb_> Say, what's the deal with the administrative password in LXDE/debian on the raspberry pi? 'raspberry' does not work.
[1:42] <MIG-> ya, it hasn't been that helpful
[1:43] <Tenchworks> newbie question, is it possible to customize the text color and maybe also the font of the cli that you normally work in after logging in? This being on the defualt debian squeeze image from the foundations site
[1:43] <chaoshax> Yes
[1:43] <mervaka> dirty_d has also made some ground, but he isnt here at the moment
[1:43] <Tenchworks> I don't know what the cli is called and googling seems to be showing how to do it for emulators in a gui interface, though I want to do it for the non gui
[1:44] <Tenchworks> hence me asking here
[1:44] <chaoshax> Bash
[1:44] <MIG-> mervaka: so many question ... Do both pwm0 and pwm1 go to pin18 ? I've kind of disabled the pwm1 code and am using GPIO 18
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[1:44] <Tenchworks> cool, thank you chaoshax
[1:44] <mervaka> MIG-: no, only pwm0
[1:45] <MIG-> k
[1:45] <mervaka> pwm1 goes to gpio41, which is headphone right channel
[1:45] <chaoshax> http://systhread.net/texts/200703bashish.php/
[1:45] <mervaka> pwm0 also goes to gpio40, which is headphone left channel
[1:45] <Tenchworks> oh neat, ty
[1:45] <MIG-> cool
[1:46] <MIG-> http://mitchtech.net/ <-- if I make progress in leaps and bounds I'll post it
[1:46] <mervaka> ok cool
[1:46] <mervaka> i havent got a blog as such
[1:46] <mervaka> i just blurb here.
[1:46] <MIG-> k
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[1:47] <MIG-> I'm mostly a software guy, computer science.
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[1:47] <MIG-> but hardware is so much fun
[1:47] <mervaka> yeah, i'm an elec student :)
[1:47] <mervaka> i only really do lower level coding
[1:47] <mervaka> python's as high as i go
[1:47] <MIG-> i stop after the kernel normally
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[1:48] <MIG-> just got done teaching a kernel course, wish I had enough pi's for the kids. Could have made there project exactly what I'm working on
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[1:51] <markbook> MIG-: cool!
[1:51] <markbook> I'm looking at a similar idea but for system admin.
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[1:51] <mervaka> MIG-: right, taking a video now for you
[1:51] <MIG-> sweet
[1:51] <MIG-> markbook: make them do an NFS file-server with samba
[1:51] <MIG-> I'd be interested in that setup :)
[1:51] <markbook> Heh
[1:52] <MIG-> Can 'normal' wifi chips act as a router in that .. can they allow others to connect to them ?
[1:52] <markbook> I have a kind of grandiose idea for a 10-12 week HS level computer club. Now I have to see if I can actually do it.
[1:52] <MIG-> coolness
[1:52] <markbook> I think so. They have different modes and one is AP I think.
[1:52] <MIG-> honeypot would be cool :)
[1:53] <MIG-> slash router
[1:53] <markbook> Actually what I want to do is get a pi per student, with serial via USB unconfigured.
[1:54] <Arch-Cloud> anyone know how to quit the kernel mesgs temp?
[1:54] <Arch-Cloud> err quite
[1:54] <markbook> so they log onto a box with all the serial ports connected, use minicom to connect to theirs. I need something like X10 or insteon power controls so they can turn them on and off
[1:54] <markbook> and have all the serial connected to one box, all the nets connected to a 16 port managed switch (or a couple 8s)
[1:55] <markbook> and then I'd need a net monitor box with MRTG, Nagios, arpwatch a whole bunch of status/monitoring stuff set to show the net graphically as they boot and configure the pis into a net, and then an application
[1:56] <MIG-> why can't they just ssh to it instead of a serial connection ?
[1:56] <markbook> one of the things I want is a pxegrub or pxelinux chain boot loader
[1:56] <markbook> because I have them start with the power off :-)
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[1:57] <MIG-> and you want to limit how much they physically touch the devices ?
[1:57] <markbook> they start with pi's powered off, no net, no OS.
[1:57] <markbook> yep
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[1:57] <MIG-> http://dx.com/p/3-channel-wireless-remote-controlled-ac-power-adapters-set-110v-us-plug-82399?Utm_rid=33954493&Utm_source=affiliate <--
[1:57] <markbook> the idea is to admin them, not hack them.
[1:57] <MIG-> cheap power cycles
[1:58] <MIG-> the only trouble is, the RF conflict if you get two pairs of 3
[1:58] <markbook> I'm more familiar with X10/Insteon
[1:58] <mervaka> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151063810828767
[1:58] <MIG-> X10 is relatively expensive
[1:58] <markbook> and for this I'd isolate them to use PLC only.
[1:58] <yggdrasil> yo can somone help me get darkelec wireless setting s working ?
[1:59] <markbook> not when I already have a dozen app controllers that I use at Christmas to control my lights :-)
[1:59] <MIG-> mervaka: I can't see that link
[1:59] <mervaka> MIG-: really? :/
[1:59] <MIG-> nice markbook
[1:59] <mervaka> thats shared globally
[1:59] <MIG-> mervaka: facebook This content is currently unavailable
[1:59] <mervaka> are you signed in?
[1:59] <MIG-> ya
[1:59] <mervaka> hmm
[1:59] <yggdrasil> content unavailable
[2:00] <mervaka> one sec
[2:00] <mervaka> oh yeah, its not shared proper
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[2:00] <mervaka> haha
[2:00] <mervaka> the first upload failed, i remember now
[2:00] <mervaka> try now
[2:00] <markbook> Ideally I'd have an APC switched power strip. but they run 6-800$
[2:00] <MIG-> ya, way too much
[2:00] <markbook> I know people who may take things like that out of service. I'll put dibs. who knows
[2:01] <yggdrasil> bah,k stpuid linux
[2:01] <markbook> I actually have a couple of RPB+, but they SUCK!
[2:01] <mervaka> MIG-: working now?
[2:01] <MIG-> ya
[2:01] <mervaka> cool
[2:01] <MIG-> watching it
[2:01] <yggdrasil> yea but the crappy nvida / flash thing sucks
[2:01] <MIG-> haha nice man
[2:02] <mervaka> there's a bit of crosstalk going on
[2:02] <mervaka> but i think thats a software issue
[2:02] <mervaka> i'm making lots and lots of process calls without mutexing any of the shared resources
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[2:02] <mervaka> bad code :(
[2:03] <MIG-> proof of concept
[2:03] <MIG-> first step
[2:03] <mervaka> i'm gonna be totally rewriting the receiver in C anyway
[2:03] <mervaka> currently in python
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[2:06] <Arch-Cloud> anyone know where the en_US.UTF setting is? i thought it was /etc/default/keyboard
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[2:06] <MIG-> Arch-Cloud: is your keyboard inserting a ~ for a | ?
[2:07] <Arch-Cloud> no its complaining about en_gg.UTF-8
[2:07] <yggdrasil> darnit, does anyone know how to use connmn from darkelec ?
[2:07] <Arch-Cloud> err en_gb
[2:07] <MIG-> k, I changed a variable in the file you mentioned
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[2:09] <Arch-Cloud> MIG-: i hate having a bad memory..i messed with this for wheezy beta and now for the life of me i cant seem to find it in rasbian
[2:09] <MIG-> grep -R "en_gg.UTF-8" * and wait a long time
[2:10] <Arch-Cloud> heh
[2:10] <MIG-> cd / first
[2:10] <MIG-> and run it with sudo
[2:10] <MIG-> :)
[2:10] <Arch-Cloud> lol well i will run it in /etc first...see if thats faster
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[2:11] <Arch-Cloud> running tasksel first though..
[2:11] <Arch-Cloud> ohh ssh
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[2:12] <Arch-Cloud> hmmmm well might be helpfull if i knew the ip
[2:12] <yggdrasil> anyone here familiar with darkelec ?
[2:12] <yggdrasil> wtf distro is it based on ?
[2:13] <markbook> It's based on openelec
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[2:13] <yggdrasil> wild
[2:13] <markbook> https://github.com/darkimmortal/DarkELEC
[2:13] <yggdrasil> i cant even figure anything out on there.
[2:13] <yggdrasil> its a read only flie system ?
[2:13] <markbook> bnmorgan just gave me a pointer to it. I'm going to see if I can flash it.
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[2:13] <yggdrasil> trying to edit the network/interfaces
[2:13] <markbook> yep, OpenELEC is meant to be an appliance
[2:13] <yggdrasil> well i gotta edit somethign to get it online
[2:13] <markbook> I think it uses a squashfs
[2:14] <markbook> no access to DHCP and a lease reservation?
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[2:14] <yggdrasil> well wireless key stuff
[2:14] <yggdrasil> i usually jsut put it into there for now.
[2:14] <markbook> ahh well that's harder
[2:14] <yggdrasil> yea
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[2:14] <Arch-Cloud> <-- iphone lan scanner = win
[2:14] <MIG-> mervaka: with xoscope did you have to select a device ?
[2:15] <mervaka> yeah, linein
[2:15] <MIG-> Arch-Cloud: agreed, android has a nice one too
[2:15] <markbook> I think if you look at one of the partitios actually on the sd card you'll find a squashfs that you can loopback mount.
[2:15] <yggdrasil> theres this thing called connman but i cant figure out hwo to use it.
[2:15] <MIG-> mervaka: I don't seem to have a linein optin
[2:15] <mervaka> oh
[2:15] <Arch-Cloud> MIG-: ohh whats it called? i have both
[2:15] <mervaka> it was via esound
[2:16] <MIG-> Arch-Cloud: Find
[2:16] <yggdrasil> well im just playing with it..
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[2:16] <yggdrasil> dont have a remote anyway
[2:16] <markbook> me too.
[2:16] <yggdrasil> you too playing ?
[2:17] <MIG-> Arch-Cloud: make that Fing
[2:17] <yggdrasil> or are you talking to somone else ?
[2:17] <markbook> I have tried raspbmc. My sd cards fail. I have OpenELEC running.
[2:17] <Arch-Cloud> MIG-: ok...as soon as i get play store working lol.....says its offline
[2:17] <markbook> I figure I can't go wrong trying darkelec just to see.
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[2:17] <yggdrasil> i had an extra card and thought itd be neat to play
[2:18] <Arch-Cloud> yggdrasil: that will teach ya
[2:18] <yggdrasil> hehe
[2:18] <yggdrasil> oh ill win
[2:18] <yggdrasil> the thing thats pissing me off is if i do wlan0 scanning i can see my ssid
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[2:18] <yggdrasil> so everythings working, i just cant set it so that when i move it to the tv it goes online.
[2:18] <Arch-Cloud> yggdrasil: yeah one of the raspbian images does that for me and i cant get it beyond that
[2:18] <yggdrasil> then i could point it to my san
[2:19] <ReggieUK> mind your language please yggdrasil!
[2:19] <yggdrasil> which card you got?
[2:19] <yggdrasil> indeed ReggieUK
[2:21] <MIG-> mervaka: hmm, have any other hints for getting xoscope working :
[2:21] <MIG-> ?
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[2:21] <mervaka> have you had line in working before?
[2:21] <mervaka> as audio
[2:21] <mervaka> get that working first
[2:21] <mervaka> see if you can get arecord piped to aplay
[2:22] <MIG-> k
[2:22] <Arch-Cloud> MIG-: well it does look perdy but doesnt seem to work as good....says 0 services are running and i know ssh is running on it
[2:22] <MIG-> oh, it's good for ip, not sure about it's service detector
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[2:22] <Arch-Cloud> but i have to admit..it is perdy
[2:23] <MIG-> :)
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[2:23] <MIG-> mervaka: the audio out doubles as an audio in ?
[2:23] <mervaka> eh?
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[2:24] <mervaka> yay
[2:24] <mervaka> stopped the servos affecting each other
[2:24] <mervaka> wasnt a code problem
[2:24] <MIG-> :)
[2:24] <mervaka> havent even looked at the code
[2:25] <mervaka> it was a backemf problem
[2:25] <MIG-> the audio jack on the arduino, I can plug a mic in and record on ?
[2:25] <ReggieUK> mervaka, what's the max freq. that xoscope works at?
[2:25] <mervaka> when the motors stopped, they generated a voltage
[2:25] <mervaka> ReggieUK: depends on your sample rate
[2:25] <mervaka> ReggieUK: at 48k it'd be 24khz
[2:25] <Arch-Cloud> MIG-: ahhhh seems one of the things that this hexxeh image does it kill the sshd
[2:26] <mervaka> ReggieUK: if it can do 192khz sampling, then thats advisable
[2:26] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok, just got a little bit confused with the bitscope stuff at the bottom of the page
[2:26] <mervaka> ReggieUK: you could get 96khz range then
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[2:26] <mervaka> ReggieUK: bitscope is another bit of hardware
[2:26] <ReggieUK> as it mentioned 100mhz for a few dollars worth of components
[2:26] <ReggieUK> indeed, that costs $295 :D
[2:26] <ReggieUK> which is what got me confused
[2:26] <mervaka> ReggieUK: and accord to my lecturer, its crap
[2:26] <mervaka> ReggieUK: lol
[2:26] <ReggieUK> that doesn't surprise me
[2:26] <mervaka> according*
[2:27] * yggdrasil taps the sign, watch language.
[2:27] <mervaka> he recommended just getting a good DSO
[2:27] <mervaka> :/
[2:27] <mervaka> sry
[2:27] <yggdrasil> i got it for the p word which is .. marginal.
[2:27] <yggdrasil> mmm potato salad sounds good.
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[2:28] <MIG-> hmm, so you were able to plug a mic into the port on the raspi and use arecord to record mervaka ?
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> Mic port on a USB card - sure
[2:28] <mervaka> MIG-: i'm not using the linein on the raspi
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> There isn't a linein is there?
[2:28] <mervaka> MIG-: its on my tower pc
[2:29] <yggdrasil> which ub card you using ?
[2:29] <yggdrasil> theres no line in.
[2:29] <MIG-> should I be scoping on my desktop ?
[2:29] <mervaka> MIG-: onboard realtek linein on my main pc
[2:29] <MIG-> I see how this work :)
[2:29] <mervaka> MIG-: yeah, sorry
[2:29] <MIG-> lol
[2:29] <MIG-> it just hit me
[2:29] <yggdrasil> hehe
[2:30] <mervaka> the rpi is the DUT, so isnt advisable to be scoping itself :p
[2:30] <ReggieUK> yggdrasil, as IT_sean has changed the topic I will be warning people on that word too
[2:30] <ReggieUK> wasn't playing favorites
[2:30] <yggdrasil> ReggieUK: im cool i agree with the rules.
[2:30] <yggdrasil> there are children here.
[2:30] <mervaka> i'm just terrible for using explicatives, though i'm getting better :)
[2:30] <yggdrasil> the raspi is going to be such a great thing for everyone
[2:30] <oldtopman> Hrm
[2:30] <ReggieUK> a lot of people think I'm just doing it to be a meglomaniac or something
[2:31] * oldtopman asploded x
[2:31] <yggdrasil> im happy to be involved. my children :)
[2:31] <ReggieUK> good man :)
[2:31] * oldtopman flips off the topic
[2:31] <ReggieUK> just for the record, say what you like to me in PM, other channels etc. I really don't mind :)
[2:31] <oldtopman> Birds! Pidgeons! Vultures!
[2:31] <oldtopman> >:D
[2:31] <yggdrasil> yea im with you too.
[2:32] <yggdrasil> i think its funny that the first batch of pis obviously didnt end up in the childrens labs. but in the hackosphere.
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[2:32] <ReggieUK> well, kind of
[2:32] <Arch-Cloud> yggdrasil: lol i know right
[2:32] <ReggieUK> my son's got one
[2:32] <yggdrasil> the more pis go out the more children will get them.
[2:32] <yggdrasil> i need to order a second one .
[2:33] <yggdrasil> ahh good.
[2:33] <ReggieUK> and take a look through the main page, there are loads of kids that have pis or access to them
[2:33] <oldtopman> yggdrasil: I have an allied code if you're willing to give me...anything for it.
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[2:33] <yggdrasil> oldtopman: .. ehh ?
[2:33] <yggdrasil> ill give you. hmm.
[2:33] <ReggieUK> it's encouraging as they'll hopefully be getting a good experience and pass that on when they get back to school after the summer break
[2:34] <oldtopman> I want a rpi case, or money for one, but I can't get rid of it ;-;
[2:34] <yggdrasil> yea its really going to be amazing in about 9 or 10 months.
[2:34] <oldtopman> yggdrasil: afk for dinner, PM me if you want the code, I'm sure we can work something out.
[2:34] <yggdrasil> i honestly have no idea what hes talking about
[2:35] <yggdrasil> an allied code to me sounds like some sort of really old morse code thing.
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[2:39] <SIFTU> some basic benchmarks I did with the pi cpu https://dl.dropbox.com/u/906920/screenshots/screenshot-20120701145257.jpeg
[2:39] <SIFTU> raspbian FTW
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[2:40] <netman87> heh i tried to play little bit with dosbox
[2:40] <netman87> supaplex was laggy :D
[2:41] <yggdrasil> nice
[2:41] <yggdrasil> on debian ?
[2:43] <mlepage> This is the Raspberry Pi channel?
[2:43] <ReggieUK> it is
[2:44] <ReggieUK> the clue is in the channel name :)
[2:44] <mlepage> Hi all. I am joining from my Pi itself. I ask because the name is truncated, and I am having keyboard issus (hash is pound for some reason) :-)
[2:45] <SIFTU> mlepage: it's UK keyboard layout
[2:45] <mlepage> Ah well I am not in the UK but in a former colony on her birthday.
[2:46] <mervaka> hmm
[2:46] <mervaka> interesting
[2:46] <mervaka> tried a different pair of servos
[2:46] <mervaka> futaba ones this time
[2:46] <mervaka> didnt like my pwm at all :(
[2:46] <ReggieUK> not quite working the same?
[2:46] <mlepage> Maybe there was a country setup I missed somewhere.
[2:46] <SIFTU> mlepage: you can change it to whatever keyboard layout you want
[2:46] <mervaka> just ignored it
[2:46] <SIFTU> mlepage: are you using the standard debian image??
[2:47] <ReggieUK> it probably uses a different pulse length
[2:47] <mlepage> Yes wheezy 06-18.
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[2:48] <ReggieUK> what model of futaba
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[2:48] <mlepage> The debian image seems really slow, is that normal, or is there some sort of USB spamming going on (I've been reading about) I ask because my keyboard is wonky even though it's in a USB powered hub.
[2:49] <ReggieUK> check the voltage across tp1/tp2
[2:49] <ReggieUK> check the kernel logs for error messages related to the keyboard
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[2:50] <mlepage> ReggieUK: thanks I will try that. Also I will try another keyboard from work after the weekend.
[2:51] <mervaka> well gpio18 controls the servo ok
[2:51] <mervaka> :(
[2:51] <mervaka> BOTHER!
[2:51] <ReggieUK> odd, so current?
[2:52] <ReggieUK> oh wait, you're using transistors so current shouldnt' be the issue should it?
[2:52] <mervaka> my hacked up level shift probably isnt playing al the rules
[2:52] <mervaka> i'll have to stick a scope on it tomorrow and see
[2:52] <mervaka> anyway
[2:53] <mervaka> bedtime for me
[2:53] <mervaka> 1:51am
[2:53] <mervaka> nn
[2:53] <ReggieUK> gn
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[2:54] <mlepage> So, I only got my RPi a few days ago. My contribution will be working on getting the LOVE (Lua game environment) working.
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[2:55] <stev> mlepage: great. have you encountered problems?
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[2:56] <mlepage> stev: I built it easily but haven't got it running. Apparently it has been done but is slow. Probably I will have to port it from GL to GLES. I'd like to do that anyways to get it working on PlayBook and BB10.
[2:59] <stev> mlepage: I see. i know a little about GL and GLes, porting won't be easy, right?
[3:01] <mlepage> stev: I am trying to ascertain that now, started reading the LOVE source code. Going slow, starting at the beginning, haven't hit GL code yet.
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[3:03] <stev> mlepage: good luck.
[3:04] <mlepage> stev: Yeah thanks. If it's not a total mess it should be doo-able, if taking a long time. Will find out.
[3:05] <mlepage> I like Lua as a nice simple language, for kids and beginners, and LOVE is a decent environment. Maybe after that works, I can build something on top of it.
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[3:07] <oldtopman> yggdrasil: Oh, sorry. It's an order coed for the Raspberry pi from the supplier Allied.
[3:08] <oldtopman> mlepage: Same boat here with the keyboard thing.
[3:08] <oldtopman> I've found that it seems to be more pronounced when the CPU is busy.
[3:09] <oldtopman> I've got nothing attached to the pi itself but my 3A powered hub.
[3:09] <mlepage> olllllllllllllllllltopman: see I get this. :-)
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[3:10] <mlepage> I will try another keyboard in 2 days, and also hvae ordeedd a bluetooth dongle to use an Apple Wireless Keyboard.
[3:10] <oldtopman> XDDD
[3:10] <oldtopman> mlepage: beware
[3:10] <oldtopman> I can't get bluetooth to work :/
[3:10] <oldtopman> AFK
[3:11] <mlepage> From what I read, SRC chipset is best for Bluetooth on RPi.. I got the other two chipsets though. If I can't them working, will track down an SRC. Also, work has a wired Apple keyboard not in use atm, maybe I can borrow it for a bit.
[3:12] <ReggieUK> SRC? do you mean csr?
[3:12] <megatog615> how exactly does the pi support opengl?
[3:12] <megatog615> is it strictly software mode?
[3:12] <mlepage> ReggieUK: Yes CSR that's the one.
[3:13] <mlepage> megatog615: My undstanding is it has GLESv2 libs which go to hardware.
[3:13] <megatog615> mlepage: but how does it do plain old gl?
[3:14] <mlepage> megatog615: I am not sure if the GL is software or hardware.
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[3:15] <Popher> hi
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[3:21] <ReggieUK> hi
[3:21] <mlepage> OK gotta go watch fireworks, will be back, but gotta find a better IRC client on a machine with working keyboard. :-)
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[3:36] <megatog615> mlepage: it's software
[3:36] <megatog615> glxinfo confirms it
[3:36] <oldtopman> megatog615: He's gone :/
[3:36] <megatog615> fjafkja
[3:36] <megatog615> :(
[3:37] <oldtopman> megatog615: Send him a memoserv
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[3:38] <megatog615> no.......
[3:38] <megatog615> not another!
[3:40] <ReggieUK> he said he'd be back after the fireworks
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[3:41] <megatog615> and now chanserv!
[3:41] <megatog615> the humanity!
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[4:10] <Arch-Cloud> where is sshd spawned from at boot?
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[4:14] <SIFTU> Arch-Cloud: what distro
[4:15] <SIFTU> Arch-Cloud: if arch "/etc/rc.conf" under daemons
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[4:16] <Arch-Cloud> SIFTU: raspbian
[4:16] <Arch-Cloud> i guess wheezy debian would be the same thing
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[4:17] <Da|Mummy> so why cant this be the offical rpi channel?
[4:17] <SIFTU> Arch-Cloud: yeah in your /etc/rc3.d or whatever
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[4:19] <Arch-Cloud> SIFTU: i see a sshd reference in rc.3, rc.4 and rc.5...whats the difference?
[4:19] <Arch-Cloud> ahh rc.2 as well
[4:19] <Arch-Cloud> Da|Mummy: no idea
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[4:19] <SIFTU> Arch-Cloud: different run levels
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[4:20] <SIFTU> Arch-Cloud: as long as they start with a "S" they will load on boot
[4:20] <Arch-Cloud> ahhhh
[4:20] <SIFTU> then the number is the order
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[4:22] <Arch-Cloud> hmmm says runlevels 2-5 is multi user....is there a way to see what run level i am running now?
[4:23] <SIFTU> Arch-Cloud: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel#Debian_Linux
[4:23] <PReDiToR> Arch-Cloud - type `runlevel`
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[4:24] <Arch-Cloud> SIFTU: yeah i was just there actually
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[4:25] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: ohh thanks :)
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[4:39] <PReDiToR> So I'm going to take a guess that having the /boot on a small MMC in the SD card slot is going to give me a headache when it comes to mounting / on a USB-attached HDD/SD because I'll need to make an initrd somehow?
[4:40] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: i dont think so..i didnt have an issue but then again i never did get it working right
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[4:41] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: you just need to point the root to the hdd
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[4:42] <PReDiToR> Arch-Cloud - I tried that, but I'm getting a flashing green LED. The SD is in a reader in the USB port directly.
[4:42] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: its required that there is a sd card in the sd slot
[4:43] <PReDiToR> I have an MMC in there. I'm under the impression that it's working OK with that because the LED is flashing.
[4:43] <cehteh> first flashing comes from the GPU loading the firmware
[4:43] <Ben64> you're trying to boot off a sd card in usb?
[4:44] <Ben64> why not just put the card in the sd slot
[4:44] <cehteh> if it then makes no progress then things are wrong somehow
[4:44] <cehteh> i tried to boot / from another partition on the sd card from a btrfs which also had some ugly effects
[4:45] <cehteh> ah .. yes the /boot must be in the SD card slot
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[4:46] <PReDiToR> The SD card has part1 and part2, I've copied all 33 megs of part1 to an MMC and set cmdline.txt to root=/dev/sda2 which is part2 of the SD. The goal here is to have root(s) for a few distros on a partitioned nano USB key.
[4:46] <Arch-Cloud> cehteh: yeah i tried to make the root my hdd but while it allowed me to log in...it didnt boot right or at least look like the boot stuff youd see from the sd card
[4:47] <cehteh> PReDiToR: in theory this should work ..
[4:47] <cehteh> as long /boot is a fat and the first partition iirc
[4:48] <cehteh> but as i'Ve seen there are some issues (and i had no time to investigate them)
[4:48] <PReDiToR> cehteh - In theory it should work in practice. In practice it only works in theory.
[4:49] <cehteh> thats what i meant :)
[4:49] <PReDiToR> I'll keep pllugging at it. Maybe I've done something daft.
[4:50] <cehteh> the filesystem you want to boot must be in kernel, not module
[4:50] <cehteh> err not boot .. root
[4:50] <PReDiToR> I know what you mean.
[4:51] <PReDiToR> The kernel is the same one, exactly that boots from teh SD card when that's in the slot. lsmod tells me that only two modules are loaded, neither are storage or filesystem related.
[4:53] <Arch-Cloud> cehteh: isnt the boot stuff predicated by the distro? for instance the hexxeh raspbian image is using kernel 3.1.9 #25 whilst the wheezy beta is on #315 i think
[4:54] <cehteh> nope it loads the kernel from the /boot partition
[4:54] <cehteh> whatever that is
[4:55] <PReDiToR> the kernel is kernel.img and I've been using my own on Arch, but I gave Debian a try today so I'm on a stock image. Still hasn't made the 7811Un work though =/
[4:55] <Arch-Cloud> maybe i didnt make it clear...if he wants to run different distro's is it going to work with the same kernel? you cant change whats in /boot unless you are manually editing all that
[4:55] <PReDiToR> Arch-Cloud - A kernel shouldn't be distro specific.
[4:56] <PReDiToR> I say shouldn't ...
[4:56] <Arch-Cloud> so you can use the arch kernel with the wheezy beta dist then?
[4:56] <PReDiToR> In theory <grin>
[4:56] <Arch-Cloud> wouldnt the libs be different?
[4:57] <PReDiToR> I have always run custom kernels from vanilla sources. Never had a major problem with it.
[4:58] <PReDiToR> A distro kernel has maybe a few tweaks or patches for specific things. Linux should just slot in without breaking things if you select the right config options. A good starting place is the config.gz in /proc.
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[4:59] <Arch-Cloud> ah
[5:00] <PReDiToR> Seriously, if you've never built a kernel, you have to. I'd recommend a bigger CPU than the RasPi though lol
[5:00] <PReDiToR> The feeling you get when you build the first one that works ...
[5:00] <cehteh> hey how do you recover from the broken rpi-update?
[5:01] <cehteh> i build kernels on the rpi overnight :P
[5:01] <cehteh> takes 5-6 hours
[5:01] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: i have......im not a total stranger to compiling...but there just as frustrating
[5:01] <PReDiToR> Yeah, forever. make -j6 on my core i5 takes minutes. And now that I can cross compile I'm a happy camper.
[5:02] <PReDiToR> Arch-Cloud - Sorry, no offence meant. I presumed you'd never built one.
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[5:02] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: i came from slackware originally...
[5:03] <Arch-Cloud> and i played with gentoo
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[5:03] <PReDiToR> Never tried Slack, Gentoo on my desktop.
[5:03] <Arch-Cloud> never messed with arch though..
[5:03] <Arch-Cloud> was to different from the debian dists im used to running
[5:04] <PReDiToR> Arch is ... my favourite binary distro.
[5:04] <PReDiToR> Yeah, it is. But things are where you expect them to be lol
[5:05] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: for you..for me there not
[5:05] <Arch-Cloud> because your used to the dist
[5:06] <Ben64> you could swap out /boot partitions depending on which distro you want to boot
[5:06] <Ben64> thats what i do
[5:07] <Arch-Cloud> Ben64: so you have /boot.xx?
[5:07] <Arch-Cloud> and you just rename them to /boot?
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[5:08] <Ben64> i have /boot/debian and /boot/openelec
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[5:08] <Ben64> and copy the files to /boot for which one i want to boot
[5:08] * jmontleon is just glad f17 has gotten faster and more stable since he started using rpi-update
[5:09] <yggdrasil> whats up
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[5:11] <yggdrasil> Arch-Cloud: you still in?
[5:12] <mlepage> exit
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[5:16] <yggdrasil> well igot darkelec mostly working . when i try to play a video it does some sort of wierd freekout on the screen. composite out.
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[5:20] <cehteh> Hexxeh: mind to add a 'test -f /etc/rpi-update.conf && . /etc/rpi-update.conf' to the script? ...? i can look into that next days with some more config knobs for the people who have home-grown kernels
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[5:23] <PReDiToR> I always just copy kernel.img back to /boot after running it and in shutdown script I have cp arm_224 start.elf.
[5:23] <mlepage> So after wheezy 06/18, do we just keep doing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, or will there be another image coming soon? Any idea when? Days or weeks?
[5:24] <Arch-Cloud> yggdrasil: yeah
[5:24] <Arch-Cloud> yggdrasil: working on a hexxeh r3 issue at the moment
[5:25] <yggdrasil> well i got darkelec wireless working
[5:25] <yggdrasil> its all done from the main menues.
[5:26] <yggdrasil> you said you were working on it right?
[5:27] <yggdrasil> hmm cool chromium os runs on pi now
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[5:28] <mlepage> yggdrasil: chromium on pi? link?
[5:28] <yggdrasil> http://www.geek.com/articles/tagged/raspberry-pi/
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[5:32] <yggdrasil> hmm
[5:32] <yggdrasil> i wonder how much the gerboard will be.
[5:34] <Arch-Cloud> yggdrasil: heh chromeOS doesnt exactly boot to any GUI persay as of yet...that article is a little old
[5:34] <mlepage> Chromium looks cool, will try it sometime, but gotta get XBMC working first. Had trouble booting an image of Raspbmc, it booted but didn't switch into XMBC.
[5:38] <yggdrasil> mlepage: i got darkelec working
[5:38] <yggdrasil> for he most part.
[5:42] <mlepage> yggdrasil: I tried raspbmc, wrote a card, it booted, but I think it failed to mount another partition or something. Will try again some time. Right now, am reading code with an eye to porting it.
[5:43] <yggdrasil> mhmm
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[6:37] <beardface> attn raspberry pi people, help make this cheap case a reality if you are feeling generous
[6:37] <beardface> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1986127174/designing-an-affordable-and-beautiful-raspberry-pi
[6:42] <carboncopy> Does RPi really need fan?
[6:42] <Ollzer> in a closed case i would say yes
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[6:43] <carboncopy> Unhuh. thanks for the info
[6:43] <carboncopy> :)
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[6:43] <Ollzer> this in a small case
[6:44] <Ollzer> not in a bigger cases like htpc
[6:44] <Ollzer> could anyone give me a hint about kernel compiling
[6:46] <Ollzer> yesterday i tried to compile raspis kernel with rpi wikis article about compiling
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[6:47] <Ollzer> i tried to patch it with arons patch for lirc users
[6:47] <Ollzer> and it only gave errors
[6:48] <Ollzer> and so did make after that
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[6:48] <Ollzer> so anyone here who has used the arons patch?
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[7:44] <PaulFertser> BTW, are you all using rootfs on SD? Isn't that the real bottleneck for performance?
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[7:45] <tzarc> bootfs on SD, rootfs on USB
[7:45] <tzarc> no issue
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[7:47] <PaulFertser> tzarc: indeed, but do many people really use it like that?
[7:48] <tzarc> no idea, most people afaik use the rpi-updater and have everything on SD
[7:51] <PaulFertser> tzarc: so there goes my question again: is that not the bottleneck for the most common usage scenarious?
[7:51] <tzarc> personally I need to stop playing D3 and start doing something constructive with my r-pi
[7:51] <tzarc> yeah probably
[7:51] <tzarc> I know there has been work to get the speeds up to par
[7:52] <tzarc> some people were reporting 20MB/sec off SD, but that was with OC'ing and top-notch cards
[7:52] <PaulFertser> I've read that the latest Chris's kernel really improves SDHCI performance.
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[7:53] <tzarc> I guess part of the question should be whether speeds are actually needed based on the application you're attempting to use the pi for
[7:53] <tzarc> if you've not got a lot of activity on the root, is it a problem, etc. etc.
[7:53] <PaulFertser> But: those SDs are inherently slow. Check this out: http://www.altechnative.net/2012/01/25/flash-module-benchmark-collection-sd-cards-cf-cards-usb-sticks/
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[7:54] <tzarc> *shrug*
[7:55] <tzarc> again I think it depends on what the performance requirements are for what you're running
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[8:18] <Arch-Cloud> PaulFertser: link?
[8:18] <PaulFertser> Arch-Cloud: to what?
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[8:18] <Arch-Cloud> Chris's kernels
[8:19] <PaulFertser> Arch-Cloud: http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/ of course
[8:20] <PaulFertser> I thought everybody's using that already?
[8:20] <Arch-Cloud> PaulFertser: ahh neat...wonder why there not using 3.2.x and sticking with 3.1.x
[8:20] <Arch-Cloud> nope
[8:21] <PaulFertser> What advantages might other trees have? Chris's works seems to be very sound and quality.
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[8:26] <gordonDrogon> 'morning...
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[8:29] <Arch-Cloud> PaulFertser: i donno...ive never seen this page before
[8:29] <PaulFertser> Arch-Cloud: what are you using you rpi for? :-o
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[8:32] <Arch-Cloud> astrix replacement
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[8:32] <Arch-Cloud> my dockstar is proving to not be stable as of late
[8:33] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the RPi foundation just wants to stick to something that works for now - so they stick to the 3.1 branch.
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[8:33] <gordonDrogon> I'm using the 3.2 one by bootc
[8:33] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi2 3.2.21+ #2 PREEMPT Thu Jun 28 15:56:37 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[8:34] <friggle> Arch-Cloud: we'll move to 3.2 at some point in the not too distant future
[8:34] <Arch-Cloud> friggle: im just cousious as to why we arent on 3.2.x already?
[8:35] <Arch-Cloud> courious
[8:35] <friggle> Arch-Cloud: 3.1 is the tree used internally at broadcom
[8:35] <Scepterr> anybody working on bootloader ?
[8:36] <friggle> Scepterr: there is a working u-boot
[8:36] <gordonDrogon> it's a big decision for a company like that to make a switch to the next relese...
[8:36] <Scepterr> link handy ?
[8:36] <friggle> Scepterr: http://kernelnomicon.org/
[8:36] <Scepterr> thnx
[8:38] <Arch-Cloud> whats that do anyways?
[8:40] <Scepterr> multiboot from sd,usb,network
[8:41] <PaulFertser> Isn't it better to just use a multiboot initramfs? u-boot is so bloated...
[8:43] <gordonDrogon> what does it matter how bloated it is, if it's entirley replaced in RAM when the new OS takes over?
[8:44] <PaulFertser> gordonDrogon: it matters if you are the developer who needs to do something with it :/
[8:44] <gordonDrogon> well there is that, I guess!
[8:44] <PaulFertser> Of course, unnecessary complexity affects ordinary users too, just indirectly (more bugs, complicated software update pathes etc)
[8:45] <gordonDrogon> personally, I don't get it myself. (u-boot that is). but if it makes it easier to boot other OS's then perhaps some people wan that.
[8:46] <friggle> yeah, the FreeBSD guys don't want to rely on Linux as their bootloader :)
[8:46] <PaulFertser> And if one wants a "fat" bootloader, i'd suggest him to look at barebox, its architecture is so much cleaner...
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[8:47] <gordonDrogon> I used FreeBSD once upon a time. Round about 1996. Can't say I've a desire to return to it.
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[8:50] <gordonDrogon> Arch-Cloud, is it just a personal asterisk thing?
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[8:51] <Adya> Hi
[8:51] <Adya> :)
[8:51] <megatog615> hi
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[8:52] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I've just spent 5 minutes with raspbian actually using it under X + xfce4 with midori doing some actual web browsing.
[8:52] <Adya> Do you know any program to control pi via ssh for android. For my Acer Liquid Mini?
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> and you know what..... it's actually very usable.
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> no javascript yet though, so some websites are obivously challenging (including my own)-:
[8:53] <Adya> Gordon, is it quicker than debian?
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> Adya, I use ConnectBot on my Android phone to ssh into my servers.
[8:53] <friggle> Adya: yes
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> Adya, raspbian is quicker than Debian, yes.
[8:54] <Adya> And somebody told there's wvdial for raspbian... So I'm gonna try it...
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[8:55] <Adya> I think, that chrome is more beautiful than midori, but laggy:(
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[8:55] <gordonDrogon> Oh, Chrome is there?
[8:56] <Adya> Chromium for debian I mean?
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> theweb browser.
[8:56] <Adya> Not ? But .
[8:56] <Adya> What's that?
[8:56] <friggle> chromium is only available on squeeze
[8:56] <Adya> Yes
[8:57] <Adya> Isn't sparsagc
[8:57] <friggle> where it actually runs rather well
[8:57] <Adya> Stupid t9
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[8:57] <Adya> Yes, well but laggy:(
[8:58] <Adya> When there's over 9000 pictures on the webpage, midori is quicker:)
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> so it's midori ot nothing right now under Raspbian.
[8:58] <Adya> I compared them
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[8:59] <gordonDrogon> Ah well. spot of breakfast time!
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> later...
[8:59] <friggle> gordonDrogon: yeah, the snowshoe guys are working on that though which I'm hopeful will run nicely
[8:59] <Adya> On what kernel is raspbian based?
[8:59] <Arch-Cloud> 3.1.9
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[9:01] <Adya> So, there's not much software for debian on Pi, and there's no software for raspbian. Yes?
[9:01] <Adya> Everything should be compiled myself?
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[9:02] <nerker> I can't resize my sd card on DEbian Wheezy. The onboard utility faIs. Trying using the old method also fails. I get error old_desc_blocks=1, new_desc_blocks=4. Permission denied to resize filesystem.
[9:02] <Arch-Cloud> Adya: most of it is gotten through apt-get
[9:03] <Adya> Ok, fine;-D
[9:04] <Adya> Me gusta:)
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[9:04] <Arch-Cloud> but if you want to compile...have it it :D
[9:04] <Adya> Some offtopic. Did you watch Spain - Italy yesterday?
[9:05] <Adya> OH. I DON'T WANT TO COMPILE ANYTHING:):):)
[9:05] <Arch-Cloud> lol
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[9:07] <Adya> I find python more comfortable for me than c++
[9:07] <Adya> `found
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[9:11] <psypher246> hi all, so in one last effort to be 100% sure4 my Pi is not DOA, I have come to this channel for help. 3 different known working, supported (as per wiki) sd cards, 2 different PC's to write the image from, 2 different OS's (Windows on HP, Ubuntu on Dell), 2 different images, On all of these I have tried the suggested bootcode.bin and start.elf from the wiki to fix this specific bug, my power is also correct, Still all I get is red light with fe
[9:11] <psypher246> int green. no blinking at all, ever
[9:11] <psypher246> i have been asking on this forums as well
[9:11] <psypher246> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=6822&start=200
[9:11] <psypher246> they now suggest it's broken
[9:12] <Andrew|OnPi> What lamp glows red?
[9:13] <psypher246> power
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[9:14] <Andrew|OnPi> What sd card do you use?
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[9:15] <Andrew|OnPi> ?
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[9:15] <psypher246> sandisk transcend and I can't remember the 3rd one now
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[9:15] <psypher246> they are all listyed on the working pi page
[9:15] <psypher246> on wiki
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[9:16] <Andrew|OnPi> I got same problem on sandisk. Now I use goodram and everything is well
[9:16] <psypher246> so the wiki is wrong then?
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[9:18] <psypher246> whats annoying is that there are too many people having the same issue with SD cards that wor5k find on everything else, so raspberry pi is the problem
[9:19] <egilhh> psypher246: I assume you have tried booting without any USB or network cables attached?
[9:19] <psypher246> yes, I have everthing the wiki tells me to do for this error
[9:20] <Andrew|OnPi> There are many fake sandisk sd cards
[9:20] <Andrew|OnPi> 1/3 of all sandisk memory cards are fake
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[9:23] <egilhh> psypher246: In a world where raspberry pi access were abundandt, I would tell you to try your cards in a different pi... Or a card from another pi in yours...
[9:23] <egilhh> you don't happen to know anyone else in your area with a pi?
[9:23] <psypher246> nope
[9:23] <psypher246> i will try
[9:23] <psypher246> but yeah,i'm in south africa and no-one i know has one
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[9:24] <Andrew|OnPi> 1. Bought pi
[9:24] <Andrew|OnPi> 2. Set it up
[9:24] <Andrew|OnPi> 3. Connected it to the Internet
[9:24] <Andrew|OnPi> 4. ???
[9:24] <Andrew|OnPi> 5. Profit!
[9:24] <psypher246> so shoudl I just order the sd from elinux>
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[9:26] <Andrew|OnPi> If you'll buy preloaded, and it won't work, that means that pi is broken.
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[9:31] <Andrew|OnPi> Did anybody try to install cent os/freebsd on pi? Or some other type of server os. I want to create some kind of webserver on pi:)
[9:32] <friggle> [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/window 1
[9:32] <Andrew|OnPi> What?
[9:35] <CruX|> Andrew|OnPi: there is debian for rpi you can create weberver on it
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[9:36] <Andrew|OnPi> Crux, I know. But what about only-server os?
[9:37] <CruX|> Andrew|OnPi: you can build your own distro with openembedded
[9:37] <CruX|> webserver fits into 5 mb image ;)
[9:37] <Andrew|OnPi> Crux, thank you:)
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[9:43] <deebo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWI1CcJM0y8
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[9:50] <friggle> deebo: he has quite a cool job
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[9:52] <booyaa> woohoo! got my loaner unit
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[9:56] <Veryevil> Morning All
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[9:58] <KrnlPanic> Argg! Every time my "expected ship date" comes, it gets changed to a later date.. >:|
[9:58] <KrnlPanic> Good morning, everyone!
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[10:02] <rm> I did not order yet
[10:02] <rm> but I have the link; so I am checking the ordering page from time to time
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[10:03] <rm> it changed from "Despatch expected in 5 weeks" to 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 now 12
[10:03] <rm> oh, back to 11 now
[10:06] <PaulFertser> rm: did Russia finally appear among the possible destinations?
[10:06] <rm> yes
[10:07] <rm> but I have no desire paying right now and then waiting for so long
[10:07] <rm> especially as I have an MK802 now \o/
[10:08] <KrnlPanic> I order on Mar 16
[10:08] <Veryevil> rm: hows the MK802?
[10:08] <KrnlPanic> ordered*
[10:08] <Veryevil> rm: any good?
[10:08] <rm> sure :)
[10:08] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=6802
[10:08] <zgreg> very funny.
[10:09] <rm> but I use mine in a nontraditional way, as a server
[10:09] <rm> with an USB to Ethernet dongle
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[10:10] <rm> so can't say if it's desktop-resonsive/plays HD/plays games/etc
[10:11] <sundancer> regarding this http://www.bitwizard.nl/wiki/index.php/Reducing_power_consumption_of_a_raspberry_Pi ... does pi need 3V3 power supply for operation or only for I/O
[10:11] <sundancer> ?
[10:11] <rm> for a desktop I also got Mele A2000, it's surprisingly quick with Debian and Xfce
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[10:16] <SYNTActiX> hello world
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[10:18] <frankivo> http://i.imgur.com/rF0J4.jpg
[10:18] <frankivo> :p
[10:18] <Arch-Cloud> rm: heh im waiting for my A1000
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[10:21] <Veryevil> rm: do you have a web browser running on the MK802?
[10:22] <Draylor> thats .... different frankivo
[10:22] <rm> nope, no Xorg there
[10:23] <KrnlPanic> frankivo: Why?
[10:23] <Veryevil> rm: got a good browser on the A2000?
[10:23] <rm> I cheat and run Firefox remotely over the X11 protocol from a powerful server :)
[10:23] <Cheery> EeeeVil!
[10:24] <frankivo> KrnlPanic: not mine :P
[10:24] <frankivo> someone was bothered by the fact that the SD sticks out
[10:24] <frankivo> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=9936
[10:24] <KrnlPanic> frankivo: Oh.. LoL
[10:24] <Veryevil> rm: how does that work? could the PI do it for a speed increase?
[10:26] <rm> if you have a powerful computer on your LAN, you can run software on it, and then have your R Pi act only to display windows and accept inputs
[10:26] <rm> sure it will be much faster than on the R Pi itself
[10:26] <Arch-Cloud> frankivo: im bothered that its got freakin wires coming out of all 4 sides but i still enjoy it
[10:26] <Veryevil> vnc style?
[10:26] <rm> Veryevil, https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=running%20X11%20apps%20remotely&=&=&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1
[10:26] <rm> yes
[10:26] <rm> but it's faster than VNC, and is seamless
[10:27] <rm> not a "box" with other computer's desktop, just a window on your desktop, of a program that actually runs elsewhere
[10:27] <Veryevil> cool
[10:27] <rm> faster than VNC <- well, within the same LAN
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[10:30] <Gadgetoid> Arch-Cloud: the normal position for a Pi is suspended in mid-air by its cluster of wires
[10:31] <Arch-Cloud> Gadgetoid: really?
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[10:32] <Gadgetoid> Arch-Cloud: yeah, and if you get enough you can get a half-naked women suspended in them, controlling a 4-legged robot tank
[10:33] <Arch-Cloud> lol
[10:33] <Gadgetoid> I may have been watching too much GITS
[10:33] <booyaa> what's faster than vnc? besides rdp and friends?
[10:34] <rm> NX
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[10:34] <rm> and as I said X11, but only if you're on the same fast LAN
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[10:52] <Veryevil> rm: I'm a little confused. been reading up on it and it seems to suggest that the xserver has to be running on the device with the screen and the client on the machine with the program on
[10:52] <rm> correct
[10:52] <rm> "X Server" is a bizzare terminology, it's the program that runs where the screen/kbd/mouse are
[10:52] <booyaa> yeah that's x11 terminology i beleive
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[10:53] <Veryevil> Surly the idea is to have the xserver running on the fast powerful machine and the client runnig on the display machine?
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[10:53] <booyaa> Veryevil: swap server/client around when you're talking x11
[10:53] <booyaa> your brain will hurt less
[10:53] <Veryevil> ah
[10:54] <Veryevil> so what I want to do is possible e.g. hard work done on linux server pretty pictures drawn by PI?
[10:54] <booyaa> pretty much
[10:54] <booyaa> i think you need to do "xhost +" on the pi, export your display
[10:55] <booyaa> well on normal x11 this is how i'd do it can't vouch for nx (sounds like the same though)
[10:55] <booyaa> then ssh -X into the beef linux box and i run the required app
[10:56] <booyaa> most cases if it fails xhost and/or DISPLAY env hasn't been configured correctly
[10:56] <Veryevil> kk
[10:56] <booyaa> Veryevil: might be worth looking at the thin client project for the raspberry pi
[10:57] <Veryevil> got a link?
[10:57] <booyaa> http://rpitc.blogspot.co.uk/
[10:57] <booyaa> ?help
[10:57] <booyaa> mm we could really do with a info bot
[10:58] <rm> also you will need to edit your display manager config
[10:58] <booyaa> who's the mod/admin of this channel so i can ask permission to add one?
[10:58] <rm> to ensure it doesn't pass "-nolisten tcp" to Xorg
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[11:04] <super_gollum> i am not sure and tried to google already, are there some rpis shipped having troubles with usb chip?
[11:04] <super_gollum> i have an usb (remote) keyboard which sometimes works, and sometimes doesnt work
[11:05] <super_gollum> and hints for searching the problem with this?
[11:06] <Dyskette> It's most likely to be a power issue.
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[11:07] <Dyskette> An under-spec power supply could cause that, and if the current draw is high enough on your USB device it could be tripping the polyfuses on the USB sockets under load.
[11:07] <Dyskette> (There's not a whole lot of current available from the USB ports)
[11:08] <super_gollum> ok, i have connected it directly currently, without an powered hub, i will try with powered hub again
[11:08] <super_gollum> and its the only usb device connected
[11:08] <super_gollum> the irritating part ist, thought, that it sometimes works, and sometimes not
[11:08] <Dyskette> It should specify its power draw somewhere on the devic
[11:10] <rm> super_gollum, what is the power rating of the PSU you use for the RPi itself?
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[11:13] <super_gollum> hm, something around 800mA
[11:14] <super_gollum> its a samsung handy loader
[11:14] <super_gollum> i will try with powered hub though, perhaps this is my problem
[11:15] <super_gollum> as its a remote keyboard perhaps the receiver draws "sometimes" too much when booting, thus not beeing initialized correctly
[11:16] <super_gollum> still its the nondeterministic behaviour which irriates me
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[11:17] <super_gollum> on the other hand, there are no rpis shipped having basic problems with usb due to a wrong usb chip?
[11:17] <super_gollum> i thought i have read somewhere something about this, but not found again...
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[11:22] <booyaa> re: power supply for rpis
[11:23] <booyaa> i can't use one of those plugs to usb that you get with iphones/blackberrys to charge them?
[11:23] <booyaa> a powered hub will work though?
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[11:26] <Tachyon`> ?
[11:27] <booyaa> super_gollum: have you got a multi metre?
[11:27] <Tachyon`> do you have a wifi or 3G card attached to your pi? if so, try without, those things can draw quite a bit, as can unpowered usb2 hubs
[11:27] * gordonDrogon pops in briefly...
[11:27] <super_gollum> yes, but currently i'm at work and cant test, though
[11:27] <booyaa> yo Domin
[11:28] <booyaa> super_gollum: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
[11:28] <super_gollum> what shoudl i check?
[11:28] <super_gollum> ok
[11:28] <super_gollum> * remembering *
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[11:28] <Tachyon`> hrm, documentation that actually explains what test points are for
[11:28] <Tachyon`> did the four horsemen of the apocalypse visit while I was sleeping?
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[11:34] <booyaa> damn i knew i should've fished out my multimeter needs new batts
[11:34] <booyaa> almost certain they're some stupid non standard size
[11:34] <frankivo> like AA or AAA? :P
[11:35] <booyaa> hahah i wish! actually i think i#ve found it
[11:35] <booyaa> it's a craplin one and claims to be 9v
[11:35] <Veryevil> hey I cannot get his x forwarding working
[11:36] <Veryevil> I have enabled X11Forwarding on Linux Server
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[11:37] <Veryevil> I have enabled ForwardX11 on linux client (PI)
[11:37] <booyaa> right i will throw caution to the wind and see if i can power the rpi using plug to usb
[11:37] <rm> I'm not sure why are you configuring forwarding
[11:37] <Veryevil> when I ssh into server from PI I get warning: no xauth data
[11:38] <booyaa> try running xhost +
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[11:38] <SpeedEvil> Most cheap meters use pp3
[11:38] <booyaa> before you sh into the beefy linux box
[11:38] <rm> and don't use SSH X11 forwarding
[11:38] <booyaa> rm why not?
[11:38] <rm> it will slow things down with its tunnelling + encryption
[11:38] * Gadgetoid waves at gordonDrogon
[11:38] <booyaa> ah
[11:38] <rm> if you're on the same LAN it's all irrelevant
[11:38] <Veryevil> I am on a LAN
[11:38] <rm> on the R Pi: 1) remove "-nolisten tcp" from the desktop manager config; 2) while in X, run "xhost +"
[11:39] <rm> on the other computer: 1) ssh into it 2) export DISPLAY="<IP address of the raspberry Pi>:0" 3) run any GUI program
[11:39] <rm> from the same terminal where you did "export DISPLAY"
[11:40] <CruX|> Xorg on rpi is accelerated ?
[11:40] <rm> no
[11:40] <Veryevil> rm: where is desktop manager config?
[11:41] <rm> depends on which one you use, gdm or slim perhaps?
[11:41] <CruX|> so If i want to run sdl app is it better to compile SDL with framebuffer ?
[11:43] <rm> Veryevil, 1) i'm not sure where it is in gdm, just google for "gdm nolisten tcp"
[11:43] <rm> 2) gdm sucks anyway, purge it and replace with slim
[11:43] <Veryevil> I dont really use any I just startx on boot
[11:44] <rm> with slim it's in /etc/slim.conf
[11:44] <rm> oh, okay
[11:44] <Veryevil> ok ive just booted PI to console
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[11:44] <rm> Veryevil, edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
[11:44] <Veryevil> so startx?
[11:44] <Veryevil> ok
[11:44] <rm> it's in there
[11:45] <Veryevil> ok
[11:45] <Veryevil> done that]
[11:45] <Veryevil> startx?
[11:46] <booyaa> yup
[11:46] <booyaa> then follow rm's original istructions at step 2 (xhost +)
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[11:47] <Vib3> hi
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[11:48] <Vib3> hmm this might be more debian question than rpi question
[11:48] <Vib3> my rpi is crashing, using that recommended debian for rpi
[11:49] <booyaa> how are you powering your rpi and how many usb devices have you got connected?
[11:49] <Vib3> it has latest updates, using apt-get
[11:50] <Vib3> with nokia charger 1.2A, one 10-port hub connected
[11:50] <Vib3> running 10 usb devices that have their own power supplies
[11:50] <the_cuckoo> belkin fsu234 - 4 port - and occassionally directly on a solar panel
[11:51] <booyaa> vib crikey that's a lot of devices, what are they?
[11:51] <booyaa> Vib3: is the crash reproducible or random?
[11:51] <Vib3> booyaa: fpga boards
[11:51] * rm imagined: USB HDDs for 10x2TB USB RAID6
[11:52] <rm> (that would work really well :D)
[11:52] <booyaa> heh :D
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[11:52] <Vib3> at morning, between 2-10 am booyaa
[11:52] <Vib3> after I go to sleep, has happen now 2 times
[11:53] <Vib3> have got these in messages -> http://pastebin.com/kLkDRTh3
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[11:53] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: has anyone built a python wrapped wiringPi, to your knowledge?
[11:53] <booyaa> pastebin is blocked at work, can you gist it?
[11:54] <Vib3> I paste here, not long
[11:54] <Vib3> Jan 1 02:00:26 raspberrypi kernel: sshd (850): /proc/850/oom_adj is deprecated, please use /proc/850/oom_score_adj instead.
[11:54] <Vib3> Jul 2 06:26:31 raspberrypi rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="4.6.4" x-pid="671" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] rsyslogd was HUPed, type 'lightweight'.
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[11:57] <Vib3> read that ethernet and usb in on same chip or something like that, so usb might make ethernet to crash
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[11:57] <Vib3> cant see that really happens, but rpi disconnects from network
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[11:57] <Vib3> dont have display on it, just logs
[11:57] <booyaa> mmm looks like logger hung
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[11:58] <booyaa> not sure if it's worth logging an issue agains the github kernel project
[11:58] <booyaa> one sec let me find details
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[11:58] <booyaa> Vib3: not sure which is more apt firmware or linux repos
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[11:58] <booyaa> https://github.com/raspberrypi
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[11:58] <booyaa> but try logging an issue
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[11:59] <booyaa> i suspect it'll be linux rather than firmware
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[11:59] <Vib3> booyaa: k
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[11:59] <Vib3> hmm that PiBot..
[11:59] <Vib3> :D:
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, not to my knowledge.
[11:59] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: They have now ;)
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> oh? you did it?
[12:00] <booyaa> Vib3: is therwe anything else before those lines?
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[12:00] <booyaa> just wondering if the the logger is a red herring
[12:00] <Gadgetoid> I don't know python, though, so I need a tester
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> I don't know python either )-:
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[12:01] <gordonDrogon> busy on & off sorting this mess out )-: http://unicorn.drogon.net/r1.jpg
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[12:01] <Vib3> booyaa: just -> usb device found, ext4-fs remounted, fuse init
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> cupboards fell of the wall on Friday in my wifes office - smashing quite a lot )-:
[12:01] <Vib3> and eth0 link up
[12:01] <Arch-Cloud> gordonDrogon: lol what the heck is that?
[12:02] <Arch-Cloud> ahhhhh
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> it's my wifes desk with a cupboard on it - her PC monitor is rather smashed up..
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> happened on Friday while she was in the office -was sort of half trapped under it )-: I was out of the house at the time - had to make a mad dash home!
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> Oh well, worse things happen at sea!
[12:04] <teh_orph> do you live on a boat?
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> no, but I've done 1000's of dives off boats and crewed on them (and owned them)
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> it's just an expression...
[12:07] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: got gpio40/41 (headphone pwm) controlling two servos to some degree
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, ok - it's start!
[12:07] <mervaka> though my futaba servos dont like it
[12:07] <mervaka> only my chesp ones
[12:07] <mervaka> cheap*
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> probably the wrong frequency...
[12:07] <mervaka> maybe
[12:07] <dutchfish> hi, is there a link of the schematics of the raspberry pi in relation to all is conections/ports and how to hook up my own, like i2c, pinout of the tp2 and S2 and P2?
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[12:08] <mervaka> though they work fine off gpio18!
[12:08] <Draylor> so the box of tissues is sitting there safely the right way up meanwhile the screen is trashed
[12:08] <Draylor> female priorities? :O
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, yes, the schematic has all the details in it... what is it you're after?
[12:08] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm probably going to have a whale of a time pushing your bugfixes into all these repos :D
[12:08] <Gadgetoid> But??? without further ado??? I submit to any Python users in the channel: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPython
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[12:08] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, connecting a TI 14 bits high speed ADC
[12:09] <mervaka> Gadgetoid: thats awesome :)
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, whats its interface? I2C, SPI, or just a parallel port?
[12:09] <Gadgetoid> build with: python setup.py build_ext --inplace
[12:09] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, par.port as ROHC of TI
[12:10] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, 2nd best is i2c
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, well, you have up to 17 pins to play with... none are addressable directly as a single 8-bit value, so you'll need to set the bits individually.
[12:10] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, np, i have done this on other devices before in ASM
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, just remember that Linux is not a real-time operating system...
[12:10] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, i have already compiled the RTM patches
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, ok - goof luck then!
[12:11] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, so where to read up for the schematics, ihave so far no schematics at all
[12:11] <dutchfish> maybe a link?
[12:12] <Gadgetoid> mervaka: if you're a Pythonist, please test the build/install and let me know if anything explodes- I'm basically working blind :D
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, oh ...
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> hang on.
[12:12] <dutchfish> ok
[12:12] <Vib3> booyaa: thx, I try next time to see if it crashes really or just ethernet or ssh
[12:12] <mervaka> Gadgetoid: will do. must do a few things first though, like shower and sign up to BECTU
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[12:12] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, http://unicorn.drogon.net/rpi.pdf
[12:12] <Gadgetoid> mervaka: Haha, no probs :D
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> that's a copy of the ones they published on the forums a few weeks back.
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[12:13] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, thank you very much!
[12:13] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: thats on the wiki too
[12:13] <Gadgetoid> mervaka: there are, I believe, known bugs in the version of wiringPi I'm using, I'll have to see about working in the fix to digitalWrite and NUM_PINS
[12:14] <mervaka> Gadgetoid: id like myself or someone else to write in the pwm extensions i'm using
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[12:14] <mervaka> to wiringpi
[12:14] <mervaka> or something like it
[12:15] <mervaka> need to get myself a scope first.
[12:15] <Gadgetoid> mervaka: I can't say they'll make it into Gordon's distribution of WiringPi, but I have set up a repo here to accept changes: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPi
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[12:16] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I've just pushed a new version of wiringPi though..
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[12:16] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I've fixed the NUM_PINS thing...
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> in digitalWrite..
[12:16] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Ooo, have you blog'd it?
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, not yet.
[12:17] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Aha, good to know it's fixed though! I'll merge your fixes in ASAP
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[12:17] <Gadgetoid> That's the only downside of keeping a repository running, you've got to babysit it and keep it abreast of fixes
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[12:17] <Veryevil> Hey, I seem to have messed up my X on my raspbian image (it just goes to a black screen with a mouse) is there an easy way to remove it all and re-add a fresh x
[12:18] <Gadgetoid> Veryevil: sounds like it's just not loading a window manager
[12:18] <Gadgetoid> Veryevil: you could try a dpkg-reconfigure or something
[12:19] <Veryevil> is there a way to remove it all as I tried removing it but only some of it seemed to be removed
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[12:20] <gordonDrogon> blogged now.
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> Veryevil, you can try apt-get purge xserver-xorg - that ought to remove just about everything that depends on it...
[12:21] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: that was fast :D
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> right coffee time. got one of the the local handymen in to help me with sorting out wifeys room...
[12:24] <dutchfish> Gadgetoid, thank you for the git link, much apreciated!
[12:25] <Gadgetoid> dutchfish: Haha, thank Gordon for creating the library in the first place, I'm just trying to make it more convenient and more widespread.
[12:26] <dutchfish> Gadgetoid, sure. Thank you Gordon, this is very helpfull to create an SDR (ham radio) based on rt2832u
[12:26] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Any plans to implement a /sys/class/gpio operating mode to skirt the need for root for those who want to? I know it comes up often!
[12:27] <Lartza> I want to cross-compile for Pi from VirtualBox, that should be possible right?
[12:28] <dutchfish> oh just in case i looked like a grumpy old man (which i am) kudos to all that are making this raspi project and did put all that work into it, i love it.
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes. it's planned - what I want to do is expand the gpio program to do the 'exporting' of the pins in /sys/class/gpio (you still need to be root/suid to do that!) then have another flag passed into wiringPi to use the native drivers (as root), or the /sys/class/ stuff (no root required)
[12:29] <Gadgetoid> dutchfish: I'll drink to that!
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> now reallygetting a coffee! (& some home made bread)
[12:30] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: sounds good!
[12:30] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: The gpio stuff *and* the home made bread
[12:32] <reider59> <<< waiting for a digital picture frame to come. so I can hack it to use as a monitor for the RasPi. saw a link to it in here and ordered one, the Parrot DF3120.
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[12:33] <reider59> The night I ordered they were ??12.99, the following day they were ??19.99
[12:33] <NucWin`> yay my farnell pi is here
[12:34] <reider59> nice one, well done
[12:34] <NucWin`> it has samsung ram :)
[12:34] <reider59> Join the ROC.....RasPi Owners Club
[12:35] <mervaka> reider59: not a bad idea. definitely has the right connection?
[12:35] <NucWin`> pimp my pi?
[12:37] <Veryevil> rm: Got X forwarding working
[12:37] <reider59> It`s based on Linux, so the firmware is hacked. Using BT a network is formed. Both the RasPi and the pic frame are on BT. So the frame can be used via VNC. It can also be used as a Linux Computer too. The frame is one that`s really easy to hack and do stuff with. Hence they`re getting popular and prices are rising.
[12:37] <Gadgetoid> https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPython/commit/820536079f1c9e8f505da7bc8847a5ede7024846
[12:37] <socialhapy> ??? Commit on WiringPython by Philip Howard (2m, 28s ago): Latest bugfixes by Gordon, syntax fixes to wiringpi.i and wiringpi_wrap.c
[12:37] <rm> Veryevil, via SSH? or directly
[12:37] <Gadgetoid> Ooo, I see serialPrintf!
[12:38] <Veryevil> rm: have chromium browser working
[12:38] <Veryevil> over ssh
[12:38] <reider59> Directly on VNC, it has it`s own variation of VNC
[12:38] <Veryevil> scrolling is still slow and you can see the refresh on vids
[12:38] <Gadgetoid> That's going to be exciting to wrap
[12:38] <rm> try without SSH, but if scrolling is slow then SSH might be not the problem
[12:38] <Veryevil> using ssh -XC user@server
[12:39] <Veryevil> how do I do it without ssh
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. the home made bread was somewhat "sub optimal" this morning...
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[12:40] <gordonDrogon> Edible, but not presentable...
[12:40] <Veryevil> with exprot?
[12:40] <Veryevil> export
[12:40] <reider59> http://www.cjb.im/2012/06/raspberry-pi-wireless-display-using.html
[12:40] <Veryevil> guessing I start from the console no inside X on Pi
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes, serial printf - actually, I've not tested it, but it works on other platforms.
[12:41] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Nice! I'll probably test it thoroughly during the possibly painful process of getting it wrapped up to work with Ruby
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> technically, under Linux, you ought to open the serial devices yourself, then you can use normal fprintf type functions, however...
[12:42] <Gadgetoid> That being said, it doesn't *need* to be wrapped for Ruby as you can just use variable interpolation
[12:42] <dmsuse> Setting up firmware (this will take a few minutes)
[12:42] <dmsuse> jeez how long does this take
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> a few minutes :)
[12:42] <booyaa> Veryevil: playing video through x11 is going to be crap. you'll need something bit more bespoke, ideally something that is streaming the video
[12:43] <booyaa> Veryevil: citing onlive as an example of the bespokeness you're looking for
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[12:45] <Veryevil> I was just looking at a you tube video on chromium
[12:45] <Veryevil> that was running on my server
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[12:46] <Blazemore> Is this the official rpi irc channel?
[12:46] <Veryevil> no its unofficial
[12:46] <Blazemore> but active?
[12:46] <Veryevil> very
[12:47] <NucWin`> 507
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> Somewhat.
[12:47] <Blazemore> Cool. Does anyone know about environment monitoring using the pi?
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> Blazemore: It's a linux box.
[12:47] <Blazemore> I'd like to use it to monitor temperature, humidity, light levels etc in my greenhouse
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> Blazemore: you can do pretty much anything you can do with any other linux box with a USB+GPIO board attached
[12:47] <Blazemore> But it has some kind of interface for these kind of sensors
[12:47] <Blazemore> Which I've never used before
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> Not cleanly.
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> What electronic skills do you have?
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> Can you solder?
[12:48] <Blazemore> I have never soldered anything
[12:48] <Blazemore> Should I start by looking for a linux-supporting environment monitoring USB thing?
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> Do you understand the difference between a transistor, and a reteroencablulator?
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[12:48] <teh_orph> wut
[12:48] <Blazemore> You made the last one up
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> I diddn't actually.
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:49] <Blazemore> I understand the principles of electronics
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> It depends what you want to do.
[12:49] <Blazemore> But I'm a computer scientist / software hacker, not hardware hacker
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> The easy way is to plug in a USB weatherstation and a USB light-level meter (to a powered hub)
[12:49] <Blazemore> It'd be nice to have a USB interface to environment monitoring sensors
[12:49] <Blazemore> Yes. I can write software myself
[12:49] <Blazemore> My question is: are there many such devices, or do they tend to be sold as part of "black box" devices, ie not for hacking?
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> Blazemore, get an Arduino..
[12:50] <Blazemore> Because I want to make my own greenhouse monitor, but I don't know enough electronics to use Arduino
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> The more involved way would be to connect various sensors to the Pi direclty.
[12:50] <Blazemore> But I want a bit more control than a proprietery monitoring solution
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> Or using the gertboard
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> This would be cheaper
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> but less easy
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[12:50] <gordonDrogon> Blazemore, however... http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi_sht15.jpg
[12:51] <Blazemore> I'm on console only atm
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/sht15temp.jpg
[12:51] <dmsuse> you don't know the price of the gertboard how can you say that :P
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> SHT 15 temp+RH sensor talking to RPi.
[12:51] <Blazemore> OK
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-WIRELESS-WEATHER-FORECASTER-STATION-LCD-TOUCHSCREEN-/190670458612?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Weather_Stations&hash=item2c64d84ef4
[12:51] <Blazemore> Ideally I'd plug something in via USB and it would provide information over /proc somehow
[12:51] <Blazemore> Then I could Python it up
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> gertboard is supplied as a self-solder kit AIUI.
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> The above would not get light level
[12:52] <dmsuse> Using SoftFP libraries
[12:52] <dmsuse> /opt/vc/sbin/vcfiled: error while loading shared libraries: libvchiq_arm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> but it would do everything else
[12:52] <dmsuse> is that a problem?
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> not sure what the price will be though.
[12:52] <Blazemore> I can use a webcam for light-level since I want to monitor webcam image anyway
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> you'd need to reverse the protocol
[12:52] <Blazemore> Light level only really needs to be "light" or "dark"
[12:52] <NucWin`> gordonDrogon if all those leds where on at one would that not be drawing quite alot of current throught the soc?
[12:53] <Blazemore> Like, when I've got my plants on 24 hrs or 12/12 I need to make sure the light hasn't blown
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, like these, you mean? http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg yea, probably.
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[12:53] <teh_orph> cool
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> Blazemore: 'usb weather station' on ebay turns up _lots_ - presumably some of tehe have been found to work with linux.
[12:53] <NucWin`> yes i was going to play with 8x UV ones last night but then realised they added up to 240mA so didnt bother
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> If you just want a straightforward solution, this would be good. At various prices.
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, limit yourself to 15mA per pin and you'll be fine.
[12:54] <NucWin`> what if i want more than 15mA
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, buffer with a darlington driver. (or even a single transistor)
[12:54] <NucWin`> could you point my research in the right direction
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[12:55] <NucWin`> oooh i have some transistors
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[12:55] <NucWin`> did start reading up about them
[12:55] <NucWin`> will go finish that
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[12:56] <Gadget-Work> SpeedEvil, / Blazemore that mapling weather station does work with linux
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> if doing lots, look at the uln2003 chip - it has 6 darlingtons in it IIRC.
[12:56] <NucWin`> thanks gordonDrogon
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> Gadget-Work: neat
[12:56] <dutchfish> apropos curent what is the best ma-rating for a 5 volt usb adapter, ie 1000ma or more?
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> over 1A, yes.
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> actually, uln2803 might be easier to interface with.
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> it has internal resistors, etc. so will work with a direct connection to the gpio pin.
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, anything > 700mA of reasonable quality.
[12:57] <Gadget-Work> SpeedEvil, just trying to get the details from someone
[12:58] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, ok, my curent one is exactly that, and indeed with 2 usb devices connected the eth port fails when the raspi draws alot for graphics.
[12:58] <Gadget-Work> Infact I think this is it : http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=9563&p=110283 SpeedEvil / Blazemore
[12:58] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, on console mode only everything is fine
[12:59] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, so i gues i replace it with 1A adapter
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[12:59] <sundancer> regarding this http://www.bitwizard.nl/wiki/index.php/Reducing_power_consumption_of_a_raspberry_Pi ... does pi need 3V3 power supply for operation or only for I/O
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[13:00] <sundancer> if i rephrase question: what wouldnt work if i dont provide 3v3 , only 5V
[13:00] <mjr> anything
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> sundancer: Everything
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[13:01] <SpeedEvil> AIUI
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> I need to check the schematics more thourougly
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> certainly USB and ethernet wont'
[13:01] <vlt> Hello. I'm a new Raspberry Pi owner. I installed the Debian for ARM image and it works fine. But tonight I want to use it for playing back a h.264 video file. How to begin? What do I need to install or what distro would you recommend?
[13:01] <sundancer> thanx, so there is a must for me to have 3V3 too :)
[13:01] <mjr> well, drawing power from the usb port would work, to an extent
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[13:02] <mjr> so the Pi could work as a low current usb polyfuse!
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[13:06] <Arch-Cloud> vlt: you might want to look into openelc, raspbmc
[13:06] <Arch-Cloud> err openelec i mean
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, remember there is a 700mA polyfuse on the 5V input to the pi, and each USB has it's own 140mA polyfuse.
[13:07] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, 700ma on the miniusb?
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, yes.
[13:08] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, ah good to know, so my 700ma adapter would be dead right on the spot?
[13:08] <booyaa> vlt: do you just want to use your rpi as a media centre?
[13:08] <booyaa> vlt: have a look at vlc if you just want play the odd video within gui mode
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, yes, but always good to have some headroom.
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[13:09] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, there are some mods. on the forums whereby people are bypassing the 700mA polyfuses and the 140mA ones and wiring the power directly to the USB sockets...
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, I don't recommend it, but ...
[13:11] <Blazemore> If I use a powered USB hub I'm not going to drain the power on my Pi, right?
[13:11] <Gadget-Work> Blazemore, you might be interested in http://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Weather-Station/Pr363242000
[13:11] <mervaka> sounds dubious
[13:12] <mervaka> the mods, i mean
[13:12] <Blazemore> OK Gadget-Work I will take a look at that
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[13:12] <Gadget-Work> Although I can't 100% confirm that works with pywws
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> Blazemore, yes - a powered hub is more recommended than not.
[13:13] <mervaka> for convenience sake i'm powering my board via the gpio header, bypassing F3 in the process. not happy doing that..
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> I'm just sticking to the rules. I have a powere hub powering one Pi, a 700mA charger powering the 2nd and I'm powering the 3rd directly off my AAO netbook...
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> so the netbook is breaking the rules by allowing more than 100mA, but hey ... :)
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> actually, that pi has just crashed. Hmm.
[13:14] <mervaka> i need to get a current sensing bench power supply, really :)
[13:14] <Blazemore> Quick question: there are two USB ports on the Pi: are they running off a single header?
[13:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ not sure of question
[13:15] <NucWin`> Blazemore yes
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[13:16] <Blazemore> Thought so, thanks
[13:16] <NucWin`> they use a chip which also sticks network on that one usb io on soc
[13:16] <NucWin`> ^^^ i think
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> bootc, hm. just noticed a kernel with the SPI driver built-in sets 2LEDs to outputs and sets them high at boot time... wondering if that's good...
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> bootc, er, 2 GPIO's... (that I happen to have LEDs on though!)
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> Blazemore, NucWin` yes. One USB port on the SoC - goes into a hub chip that has on-board Ethernet and 2 external ports.
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> hence the model A which has just one USB and no Ethernet doesn't have that hub/net chip fitted.
[13:18] <Blazemore> OK
[13:18] <Gadget-Work> I'd like modelA with no USB socket either, just a header :)
[13:18] <Blazemore> It's not going to be a problem, I was just wondering
[13:18] <NucWin`> think i might spend this afternoon making gpio <-> irc
[13:18] <Blazemore> I think a greenhouse monitor is a really cool project for a rpi
[13:19] <Blazemore> With neat javascript graphs, and email alerts
[13:19] <NucWin`> ^^^ could have it contorling fans heaters etc
[13:19] <Blazemore> Yep
[13:19] <Gadget-Work> Blazemore, hardware is probably all sorted tbh, just the software side :)
[13:19] <Blazemore> I'd love it to control the light too, so I can set the light on a 12/12 timer or whatever
[13:19] <Blazemore> Yeah I like Python, and I like software hacking
[13:19] <vlt> Arch-Cloud: Thank you. I'll have a look at raspbmc.
[13:19] <Blazemore> Any work on using hardware floating point arithmetic?
[13:20] <vlt> booyaa: I want to use it for everything :-) But tonight just for playing back an h.264 video.
[13:22] <Arch-Cloud> Blazemore: rasapbian hexxeh image does the hfpc
[13:23] <Arch-Cloud> pisces and wheezy beta do sfpc
[13:23] <Arch-Cloud> does/do something like that
[13:23] <Blazemore> Is hexxeh the guy who did the chromium-os builds back in the day?
[13:23] <Aldasa> yes
[13:23] <Blazemore> Oh cool
[13:23] <Blazemore> They were pretty good
[13:23] <Arch-Cloud> yes and curently porting chromium for rpi
[13:23] <Blazemore> That will be great for kiosks
[13:24] <Blazemore> I look forward to the results of that work
[13:25] <NucWin`> i want someone to design ram on a usb stick
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> Blazemore, http://raspbian.org/
[13:25] <NucWin`> i know it would be shit slow but would solve the killing of sd via swap partition
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, I don't know anyone who's killed their SD via swap - yet.
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> however a RAM stick ought to be faster for swap than flash...
[13:26] <NucWin`> they must be some getting close by now
[13:26] <jacekowski> i've tried to kill an SD card
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, who knows.
[13:26] <jacekowski> it took 3 months
[13:26] <jacekowski> of constant writing to it
[13:26] <Arch-Cloud> i was gonna say..there ws some guy in here saying they have had one for 5 years without dying
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> jacekowski, oh, you tested it?
[13:27] <jacekowski> yes
[13:27] <jacekowski> 3 years ago, 2G SD card
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> neat. is the results published anywhere?
[13:27] <jacekowski> no
[13:27] <jacekowski> it was for a device were were developing
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[13:27] <Arch-Cloud> jacekowski: 24/7?
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> ok, but even so, 3 months 24/7 writing really means years under a normal load.
[13:27] <jacekowski> yes
[13:27] <jacekowski> and we were worried about life of memory card when we would append to a database every few seconds
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[13:28] <Arch-Cloud> yeah im sure model E will be out for the pi and we will be using 3d nand
[13:28] <jacekowski> and how much we would have to be worried about caching it a bit
[13:28] <jacekowski> and well, after testing we didn't do anything
[13:28] <jacekowski> and well, 3 years later, none of those devices have failed
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> jacekowski, sounds what I'm more or less expecting myself...
[13:29] <jacekowski> SD cards have load balancing in them builtin
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> but it's hard to justify a "feeling" without proper studies to back it up.
[13:29] <jacekowski> well, there are simple numbers
[13:29] <NucWin`> leighbb <-- place or person?
[13:29] <jacekowski> 1000000 writes
[13:29] <jacekowski> minimum
[13:29] <jacekowski> that card can take
[13:29] <jacekowski> 1G of swap, 5M/s
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> I know - I've seen the published numbers, done my own sums and been happy...
[13:30] <jacekowski> 6 years
[13:31] <jacekowski> and that's assuming no load balancing ( which is something that majority of SD cards do)
[13:32] <NucWin`> guessing to control a 2 digit display from pi i need a shift register?
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, not neccessarily.
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, 2 ditis - using 7 segment display needs 9 pins.
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> *digits.
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[13:43] <NucWin`> resistor hunting time again \o/
[13:44] <NucWin`> i really need a resistor organising day, gets annoying searching through for the one you need
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:44] <NucWin`> gordonDrogon can you git push your brain please?
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[13:48] <Gadgetoid> It's more fun to use a shift reg :D
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[13:48] <NucWin`> i need to go on an ic ordering spree
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[13:57] <IT_Sean> Ahoy
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[13:58] <NucWin`> \o- \o/ \o- -o-
[13:58] <Arch-Cloud> hi IT_Sean
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[13:59] <NucWin`> its nucwin semaphore for hey.
[13:59] <psypher246> `hey all, where can i buy a known working preloaded SD card for my Pi to be 100% sure my pi is not DOA and the issue is with the 3 SD's cards I have already tried
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[14:00] <psypher246> trying to find on element14/rs comp/farnell/elinux etc etc
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[14:01] <`z> apparently element14/rs doesn't supply them yet
[14:01] <`z> farnell == element14 afaik
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[14:02] <NucWin`> psypher246 have you ruled out powersupply as possible cause of issues?
[14:02] <psypher246> yes
[14:02] <psypher246> and i bougght it from RS comps
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[14:04] <psypher246> NucWin`: still not quite understanding why all sd cards are not equal
[14:04] <NucWin`> improvements in tech
[14:05] <NucWin`> what class is the sd card?
[14:05] <NucWin`> size?
[14:05] <psypher246> shouldn't the improvement in te3ch be on the reader side not being able to read hundreds of cards which a fine in everything else
[14:05] <psypher246> 16GB transcend class 6
[14:05] <psypher246> 4gb sandisk class 6
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[14:06] <psypher246> the other one I tried I can't remember now, probably also transcend
[14:06] <NucWin`> card reader you are using to write is it new enough to handle newer cards
[14:06] <NucWin`> my card reader wasnt
[14:06] <psypher246> and they Pi neither I guess
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[14:07] <psypher246> so i can't buy a preloaded card, cards I have already bought don't work and I'm told they must be fake, any new cards i buy could be fake as well. so not sure what i can do next
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[14:11] <Draylor> RS do preloaded cards, cant you order 1 from them?
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[14:11] <NucWin`> do the sd cards work on your desktop?
[14:12] <psypher246> having a look
[14:12] <psypher246> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/flash-memory/7276403/
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[14:12] <psypher246> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/flash-memory/7276412/
[14:12] <psypher246> those?
[14:12] <psypher246> they were under raspberry accessories
[14:12] <SoulRaven> anyone tried to store in mysql digital states?
[14:13] <psypher246> NucWin`: doesn't say it's preloaded
[14:13] <SoulRaven> if i have 4 digital state and 4 analog inputs, how i store them more eficient?
[14:13] <Draylor> seems like they are only on their "raspberry pi store" page
[14:13] <Draylor> which you need to register hten wait months to get to see - which is 0 use to you
[14:13] <SoulRaven> my first ideea whas to store like this, 0000, where each bit represent a state
[14:13] <Draylor> blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh basically
[14:14] <SoulRaven> like, 0101 represent that input 2 and 4 are UP
[14:14] <NucWin`> surely out of 3 sd cards the chances of them all being broken/fake is slim
[14:14] <drazyl> SoulRaven I would store either as a single byte, or 4 booleans depending on how I wanted to query
[14:14] <SoulRaven> but how i know what input are up, how i find out what bit are up
[14:15] <SoulRaven> +drazyl: i want to store like byte, but i don't know how to read them
[14:15] <psypher246> NucWin`: thats what I'm saying, especially since there is an entire forum post with tons of people with the same thing, a "bug fix" to try, but whehn i try it and tell them it doesn't work they say well then the device is DOA
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[14:16] <SoulRaven> if i want to know on a specific recording if the input 3 whas up or down, how i read that, i know using bitwise, but i never used
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[14:17] <NucWin`> psypher246 have you tried another psu? i know one you have is from rs but could still be faulty
[14:17] <NucWin`> have you tried with nothing except power and sd card?
[14:18] <SoulRaven> anyone?
[14:19] <drazyl> SoulRaven using a select statement?
[14:19] <drazyl> SELECT * FROM mytable WHERE mybits & 1;
[14:19] <drazyl> for the 1's bit
[14:19] <SoulRaven> +drazyl: i know that, i bin(di+0)
[14:19] <drazyl> and so on
[14:19] <psypher246> NucWin`: i have only been trying with nothing in, until I get the required blinking green light, there is no point in connecting anyhthing esle, but yes I have tried connecting stuff and I have tried connecting other PSU, same one my smartphone uses, same voltage and amperage
[14:19] <lrvick> LCD adafruit case mod is coming along: https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c67.0.403.403/p403x403/406046_10150994596343470_2051104384_n.jpg
[14:20] <lrvick> 10$ 3.3v lcd that maps directly to 6 GPIO pins
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[14:21] <NucWin`> psypher246 are you writing the image file correctly to the sd card? using dd or win32diskimage
[14:21] * IT_Sean 's just BSOD'd again. So much for it only happening once. STOP: 0x000000C5 (0X00000004, 0X00000002, 0X00000000, 0X8316B87B)
[14:22] <lrvick> People still use windows in hacker communities?
[14:22] <psypher246> NucWin`: check my posts on everything I have tried
[14:22] * lrvick chuckles
[14:22] <psypher246> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=113242#p113242
[14:22] <urs> lrvick: wow, that looks neat.
[14:22] <lrvick> going to cut one out of transparent purple next.
[14:23] <SoulRaven> +drazyl: sems is not working if i have 0 in front
[14:23] <drazyl> you would need to store the bit's as an int, so 0101 = 5 etc
[14:23] <IT_Sean> lrvick: Are you referring to me? I'm at werk. We use Windows here.
[14:24] <SoulRaven> no, 0101 means that input 2 and 4 are up
[14:24] <SoulRaven> 1001 input 1 and 4 are up
[14:24] <NucWin`> psypher246 i will catch up :) thought i was asking questions you had already been through
[14:25] <SoulRaven> each bit represnt a input
[14:25] <lrvick> IT_Sean: I don't evny your job then.
[14:25] <lrvick> :-P
[14:25] <IT_Sean> I like my job.
[14:25] <psypher246> NucWin`: no thats cool, you at least trying, i appreciate
[14:25] <drazyl> SoulRaven yes, but you have to convert the binary representation (0101) to a decimal equivalent
[14:25] <drazyl> then store that in the DB so the bit mask function can work
[14:25] <lrvick> don't care if someone offeres me 150K. Being asked to do actual work on windows would be a deal breaker.
[14:25] <SoulRaven> and after that?
[14:26] <SoulRaven> ok, so i store as a int, and after that, how i make the bitwise
[14:26] <drazyl> so, for a set of bits "abcd", a = 8, b = 4, c = 2, d = 1
[14:26] <lrvick> Professional engineers should be able to choose their own software/hardware for workstations. Just common sense imo.
[14:26] <drazyl> you add them together, store them
[14:26] * lrvick realizes he is about to star a flame war again, and retreats.
[14:26] <dmsuse> windows is a very stable, well made, really great operating system
[14:26] <drazyl> then you can do "WHERE mymask & <num>" to select that bit position
[14:26] <IT_Sean> lrvick: the software we write here only runs in windows. Hence, our testing platforms run windows.
[14:27] <IT_Sean> dmsuse: stop being silly. :p
[14:27] <dmsuse> k :(
[14:27] <NucWin`> psypher246 in your windows computer have you tried puting a fat32 partition full size of the sd and just testing the sd card can be read and writen by windows (now you have image it will be partitioned vfat + ext3/4
[14:27] <SoulRaven> so 1111 = 15, i store 15, and when i do where, i do where 15 & 1
[14:27] <psypher246> NucWin`:
[14:27] <psypher246> NucWin`: yup
[14:28] <drazyl> yup, 1111 = 15. so you insert into your table INSERT INTO mytable SET mydata=15;
[14:29] <NucWin`> it is sounding like you might have faulty pi BUT ive worked with computers for quite a long time and most the time its a layer 8 problem (user)
[14:29] <drazyl> then, if we call the bits abcd, if you wanted to check if "a" was set, you'd do SELECT * FROM mytable WHERE mydata & 8;
[14:29] <lrvick> IT_Sean: I am a cross-platform/FOSS advocate so windows only software makes me sad :-(
[14:29] <psypher246> NucWin`: haha, yeah ditto. but I too experienced, and this doesn't seem to be a layer8 problem
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> NucWin`, or layer 9 (finance ;-)
[14:30] <lrvick> Anywho. I should go find some dinner.
[14:30] <psypher246> NucWin`: but the pi seems very temperamental if so many people stuggling with this same issue
[14:30] <psypher246> NucWin`: how can i be 100% it's not my power?
[14:31] <the_cuckoo> ok - this might sounds a bit funny - but is there anyway to enable hdcp on the pi? the amp i got the other day seems to insist on it :(
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[14:32] <SoulRaven> if i do bindec(1111) & 2; i get 2, not 1
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[14:32] <NucWin`> psypher246 my next step if i was you would be to find someone else with a pi to test all your kit
[14:32] <lrvick> the_cuckoo: no. No licnese exists to make this possible.
[14:33] <NucWin`> or risk sending it back to rs as doa (but you will feel stupid if its not fault and will likely hit your wallet)
[14:33] <the_cuckoo> lrvick: hmm - any other work arounds?
[14:34] <NucWin`> psypher246 voltmeter onto the test points should rule out psu issues
[14:34] <lrvick> the_cuckoo: No. HDCP is a propriatary license-only protocal. Part of the reason the cost is so low is the fact they don't need to pay huge licensing fees for such things.
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[14:35] <the_cuckoo> lrvick: sure - was meaning by passing the pi output through something which would add it :)
[14:35] <mjr> seems very weird that a hdmi _sink_ would insist on hdcp
[14:35] <the_cuckoo> yeah - that's what i thought too...
[14:35] <mjr> it's usually the source that insists on it, otherwise not sending the precious hd data
[14:36] <the_cuckoo> from the faq: This receiver is HDCP-compatible. Check that the components you are
[14:36] <the_cuckoo> connecting are also HDCP-compatible. If they are not, please connect
[14:36] <the_cuckoo> them using the component or composite video jacks
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[14:37] <the_cuckoo> have tried a lot of different hdmi settings in config.sys, and so far, no pass through... still a lot more to try of course...
[14:37] <NucWin`> another thing i would try on ubuntu computer check the partitions are both there and readable
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[14:38] <lrvick> the_cuckoo: Id say try safe mode and see what happens
[14:38] <the_cuckoo> done - nothing
[14:39] <lrvick> the_cuckoo: does your tv have DVI input?
[14:39] <the_cuckoo> what's annoying is that it does work with my previous hdmi amp, but that doesn't accept audio over hdmi
[14:39] <lrvick> oh its an amp...
[14:39] <`z> my tv has hdmi output
[14:40] <the_cuckoo> lrvick: yup - connected to a projector
[14:40] <lrvick> the_cuckoo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0U008N4201 if all else fails
[14:40] <lrvick> as much as you paid for the pi, but cheaper than a new amp.
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[14:41] <the_cuckoo> sure - always nice to get a new gadget too :p
[14:42] <the_cuckoo> i guess with that i could connect direct to the projector and sound in to the amp - bit fiddly, but workable i guess
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[14:42] <lrvick> Yeah, connecting to a projector is exactly why I got mine.
[14:43] <the_cuckoo> on tother hand... projector has hdmi in, so a switch box would do the same thing
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[14:43] <the_cuckoo> i have one of them (somewhere)
[14:43] <the_cuckoo> audio i can take from analogue on the pi
[14:44] <the_cuckoo> can't help but feel that that is one ridiculous limitation though - only bought it yesterday and could return it on the grounds of it being broken by design...
[14:45] <vlt> Arch-Cloud: I used raspbmc's install.py to put its installer on an SD card, it booted and ran the actual install. But when I reboot now I get an "init: cec main process (277) terminated with status 127" => "respawning" => "respawning too fast, stopped". Any idea why?
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[14:51] <SoulRaven> the problem, i can't represent only 4 bit, i have to represent 1 bytes, and for me is to much
[14:52] <SoulRaven> because i only nead 4 bits
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[14:53] <gordonDrogon> SoulRaven, what are you trying to do?
[14:53] <drazyl> sorry, it is too much for what? you can't store less than a byte anyway
[14:54] <SoulRaven> i know, so i nead a cheap solution, to store digital state in DB
[14:54] <SoulRaven> and also to store milivolts in DB
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> right. so what's the issue?
[14:55] <SoulRaven> i don't know how to store economicaly in DB this values
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[14:56] <gordonDrogon> just declare the field an int and store the values scaled. e.g. storing 1 represents 0.001, 1000 represents 1 volt and so on.
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> each int will take up 4 bytes of storage in the database...
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[14:57] <SoulRaven> and for digital inputs?
[14:58] <Gadgetoid> Bit!
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> what's the range?
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> yea, 0/1 is a bit - stored as a boolean in a databse usually.
[14:58] <Gadgetoid> I think MySQL has a "Bit" datatype
[14:59] <SoulRaven> and for each digital input to make column
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> however more often than not, that'll work out to it storing a byte or even an int internally anyway.
[14:59] <Gadgetoid> You can use BIT(4) to store 4 bits
[14:59] <Gadgetoid> Up to 64
[14:59] <egilhh> storing less than an int in a database will most probably be less efficient in terms of speed anyway...
[14:59] <Gadgetoid> So if you have 20 digital inputs, you could use a BIT(20) and chain out a bunch of 01100011101110111101
[15:00] <SoulRaven> i have set that in mysql, but i don't know to to work with bitwise operation, because just want to know what bits are 1 and what are low
[15:00] <Gadgetoid> Not much use if you want to select from myreadings where input1 = 1, but probably good for storage
[15:01] <SoulRaven> i don't care of the overall value of the bin number, i just care about what inputs are high
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[15:02] <SpeedEvil> So you simply OR with 0x02 - for example - and the result of that tells you if the second bit is high
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> what's the problem?
[15:02] <Dagger2> AND*
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> err - yes
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[15:03] <SoulRaven> i do this, decbin(15) & 0x02
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[15:03] <SoulRaven> and is not working, is returned 2
[15:03] <RaYmAn> it's supposed to
[15:03] <SoulRaven> not 1
[15:03] <RaYmAn> :P
[15:03] <egilhh> SoulRaven: have you looked up Bitmask, Bit manipulation and Bitwise operation on wikipedia?
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> what is decbin?
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> You seem confused
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> and that
[15:03] <SoulRaven> yes, and i have read about that, but is the first time i have work with
[15:04] <Gadgetoid> SoulRaven: how important is the size of the data? seems storing as a bit would keep it small, but at a cost to the speed of your queries
[15:05] <Gadgetoid> And what sort of time resolution are you dealing with?
[15:05] <drazyl> if you are worried about storage size, mysql is probably not the solution (as is any db)
[15:05] <GeorgeDuckett> I know i'm a bit late to the party, but is there any accurate/updated info regarding where to buy a Raspberry Pi without a huge lead time?
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> ebay
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> That's about it
[15:06] <Gadgetoid> GeorgeDuckett: Haha??? good one!
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> If you're in Fife, you can drive over and collect mine, for a small fee.
[15:06] <Draylor> heh, at least the lead time now is better than it was ordering in March
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> (Or indeed anywhere in the world if you're that barking)
[15:06] <Gadgetoid> Fife? ne'er 'erd o' it!
[15:07] <SoulRaven> the resolution is 1 bits, and the size is importand, but i don't want to migrate on another DB
[15:07] <drazyl> SoulRaven you need to understand the difference between binary and decimal representation of numbers first
[15:07] <Gadgetoid> SoulRaven: I mean, how often are you polling your inputs? once a week, once a day, once an hour, once a second!?
[15:07] <drazyl> bit masks will make no sense until you do
[15:07] <drazyl> once a fortnight?
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> I never use bitmasks. Only y-fronts.
[15:08] <SoulRaven> +Gadgetoid: once a minute
[15:08] <drazyl> I would store them all in a pillowcase
[15:09] <GeorgeDuckett> Fife? Is that where it looks like i'm from? I'm actually in Kent (UK). As for eBay, looking at prices, i think i can wait.
[15:09] <GeorgeDuckett> thanks for the info. :)
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> GeorgeDuckett: No, I'm in Fife.
[15:09] <Thorn_> who's in Fife ?
[15:09] <drazyl> Him
[15:09] <Thorn_> hello o/
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> GeorgeDuckett: And you can if you wish drive up and collect my Pi, today.
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> Well - tonight.
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> (for a small fee)
[15:09] <drazyl> oooerrr missus
[15:09] <Thorn_> SpeedEvil: how much?
[15:10] <Gadgetoid> SoulRaven: Can't see how size could ever be an issue at that sort of frequency, you might be best served just kludging up a table with a bunch of TINYINT(1) columns
[15:10] <GeorgeDuckett> lol, thanks for the offer, i can wait though
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> Thorn_: Only 60 quid!
[15:10] * drazyl thinks he is in the wrong chatroom
[15:10] <Thorn_> yeah i'll wait :P
[15:10] <Thorn_> I live in Fife too, so obviously i'll never have that much money :P
[15:10] <Gadgetoid> I'd also split datetime up into columns and store that in an index DB, but I'm weird like that :D
[15:11] * SpeedEvil waves at Thorn_.
[15:11] <GeorgeDuckett> lol THorn
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> Anywhere close to Glenrothes?
[15:11] <Thorn_> Dunfermline, but I frequently drive up to glenrothes
[15:11] <Thorn_> it's only a 20 minute drive down the A92 ;p
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> I should get on and actually connect my Pi
[15:12] <Thorn_> you should, stop wasting it :D
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> Mean to hook it to a power meter, and other stuff.
[15:12] <Gadgetoid> Pff, all that Pi waste and there are people like me sitting here with just one :(
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[15:13] <Widoa> Does this setup work? http://i.imgur.com/JyDkP.jpg
[15:13] <Thorn_> you need a dataline between usb gadget and rpi
[15:13] <Thorn_> i'm assuming the pi is being powered from the hub, that is?
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> Widoa: no
[15:14] <Widoa> Thorn: yeah,
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> Widoa: what he said
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> (Or she)
[15:14] <sarntam> Hi, I'm having trouble properly formatting my SD card on Linux. I want to format it and rewrite it with the clean Debian image, but apparently one of the partitions on the SD card is mounted in read-only mode and $ dd refuses to work. How do I get rid of the read-only mode?
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> Widoa, not unless you connect a 2nd lead from the Pi's USB back to the hub.
[15:14] <Thorn_> yeah that won't work
[15:15] <Widoa> Ah, thanks! Also, how would I know what voltage the hub pushes through? Or does the cable "throttle" it?
[15:16] <Thorn_> not really sure on the question
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> Widoa, if the hub is powered from a 5V PSU then it's 5V. Anyway, USB is supposed to use 5V, if it's not 5V then it's not USB.
[15:16] <egilhh> USB voltage? 5V
[15:17] <Thorn_> well, you still get vdrop to about 4.3v with those cheap hubs dont you?
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[15:20] <egilhh> standard USB won't provide more than 500mA, but the Pi requires 750mA, so powering the Pi from a hub is never guaranteed to work, anyway
[15:22] <egilhh> and then there's the issue about the Pi not negotiating power consumption
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> just power the pi via it's micro usb from a charger type power supply, or a powered hub....
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> you can't power the Pi via the USB sockets as the 140mA polyfuses stop you.
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> so my hub (for example) has a usb output to a micro usb convertor to the Pi's power inlnet, and has it's uplink cable plugged into one of the Pi's own USB sockets
[15:28] <BlazemoreWork> gordonDrogon: I have a usb3 port on my Asus motherboard which will power the Pi
[15:28] <BlazemoreWork> "fast charging" on my phone
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> BlazemoreWork, I have a usb2 port on my old aver aspire one powering one of my Pi's ...
[15:28] <BlazemoreWork> You just said you can't
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> no I didn't.
[15:28] <BlazemoreWork> 13:25 <+gordonDrogon> you can't power the Pi via the USB sockets as the 140mA polyfuses stop you.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> Yes, that's what I said.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> However it was in the context of putting power into the Pi via the Pi's own USB sockets.
[15:29] <BlazemoreWork> Wat
[15:29] <BlazemoreWork> If that worked, free electricity forever for everyone
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> I can take power out of my laptop & desktop's USB sockets as they are not protected.
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> or if they are protected is > 700mA.
[15:30] <BlazemoreWork> Although I did once plug a power strip into itself when I built my first PC
[15:30] <BlazemoreWork> And I was worried because I thought I broke the PC because it wasn't turning on
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> :)
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> When I was little, I thought that if i could unplug a mains plug and plug it into the end of the extension fast enough then electricity would keep circulating ;-)
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> but back to our Pi's...
[15:31] <Draylor> well, you could, you just werent fast enough
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> power seems to be one of the main issues, but it's really quite simple.
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> power the Pi from a suitable source into it's micro USB port. job done.
[15:32] <Widoa> But a USB to MicroUSB cable does not work, correct?
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> Widoa, works perfectly for me.
[15:32] <Widoa> But you only get 500mA, no?
[15:32] <egilhh> Draylor: and then you would very quickly lose all that electricity due to the resistance in the cable
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> Widoa, you get what the source will supply.
[15:32] <BlazemoreWork> Tip: Spend the money on a dedicated adaptor-style cable
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> so I have a powered hub and it has a 2A PSU. it's a cheap hub that has no on-board power negotiation...
[15:33] <BlazemoreWork> Not a phone charger with USB at both ends
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> so it works well.
[15:33] <nid0> Widoa: 1) some sources, including a lot of motherboards, will go above 500ma happily. 2) the pi doesnt need more than 500ma if you dont have any usb devices plugged into it
[15:33] <BlazemoreWork> I spent about ??6 on mine and it's great, no problems. I was using my Kindle charger before and it didn't work
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> BlazemoreWork, you say that, but I'm using 2 USB chargers with standard usb at one and and micro at the other and they both work well.
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> BlazemoreWork, however one is rated 700mA (jawbone charger) and the other rated 1A (HTC Desire charger)
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[15:34] <gordonDrogon> because my laptop and desktop PCs don't do power negotiation either, they happily power the Pi's too.
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[15:34] <BlazemoreWork> Every time someone is on a forum asking about a problem due to power, it always turns out to be because they're using a USB cable
[15:34] <egilhh> I'm using an HTC phone charger with USB->micro cable attached (1A)
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[15:35] <BlazemoreWork> Dedicated chargers, no problem
[15:35] <egilhh> still, it's the same type of cable...
[15:36] <IT_Sean> The cable isn't the issue. The current rating of the charger is.
[15:36] <egilhh> I can just as easily use the same cable to power it from my computer (although I don't know if my computer will deliver more than 500mA)
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[15:37] <Habbie> egilhh, probably not!
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[15:39] <Widoa> So... Dedicated chargers, with a lone microUSB cable, do they always push through 5V?
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> In theory
[15:39] <IT_Sean> Depends on if they are properly regulated or not
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> In practive, quality varies wildly
[15:40] <Widoa> Ah.
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> To the point that some cheap chargers may explode when you plug them in.
[15:40] <IT_Sean> Remember, if the filling (magical blue smoke, in this case) eascapes from your Pi, it won't work any more. Don't let the filling out of your Pi, check your supply.
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> If you're buying it at 0.99 with free shipping on ebay, it's not a high quality product, and it almost certainly doesn't meet the most basic safety precautions
[15:44] <cehteh> but .. it had CE and FCC stickers! :P
[15:44] <IT_Sean> were the CE stickers REAL CE stickers, or where they Chinese Export stikcers?
[15:44] <IT_Sean> And FCC stickers don't mean jack dinkus diddily doo
[15:45] <Thorn_> yes they do
[15:45] <Thorn_> they mean part of that 99p went to pay for stickers
[15:45] <cehteh> :)
[15:46] <IT_Sean> heh
[15:46] <cehteh> some time ago i was at the germans customs office to get some RC batteries i ordered from hongkong
[15:46] <cehteh> in the queue in front of me was some poor guy who ebayed a tablet computer
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[15:47] <IT_Sean> uhhuh... ... ...
[15:47] <cehteh> these had no CE . so the customs guy dont gave it to him "sign here and we send it back, ask for refound, not our problem!" ...
[15:48] <cehteh> they really do their job :P
[15:48] <IT_Sean> wow.
[15:48] <IT_Sean> I'd be fairly irritated if that happened to me.
[15:50] <booyaa> christ starting to get paranoid that i can smell burning, just disco'd this usb powersupply from my mifi device
[15:50] <booyaa> damn you guys and your talk of dodgy electronics
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[15:56] * Crenn-NAS hums happily working with his microcontrollers
[15:57] <Crenn-NAS> What's up everyone?
[15:57] <IT_Sean> wherkin'
[15:57] <ReggieUK> sky
[15:57] <Thorn_> no sky, just rainy clouds
[15:57] <Veryevil> ceiling tiles
[15:57] <Crenn-NAS> Thorn_: In England, that is the sky, anything else is a myth
[15:58] <Thorn_> lol, you guys have it light, sit down :)
[15:58] <Thorn_> scotland already breaks most of the bad weather before it reaches england :P
[15:58] <IT_Sean> Crenn-NAS: I've been to England. Saw the sky there. Briefly.
[15:58] <Crenn-NAS> Thorn_: I don't get my weather from scotland
[15:59] <Thorn_> you do
[15:59] <Crenn-NAS> IT_Sean: Being in a plane doesn't count?
[15:59] <Thorn_> we deliver it
[15:59] <IT_Sean> Crenn-NAS: No, from the ground!
[15:59] <Crenn-NAS> Thorn_: TO AUSTRALIA?!
[15:59] <IT_Sean> I saw blue sky, briefly, from the ground!
[15:59] <Crenn-NAS> IT_Sean: Must have been an illusion ;P
[15:59] <Thorn_> Crenn-NAS: yep, via boat
[15:59] <Crenn-NAS> Thorn_: Convict class?
[15:59] <Thorn_> har har
[15:59] <IT_Sean> Crenn-NAS: I don't think so. There was a big yellow thing, too! Hurt when i looked at it.
[16:00] <Crenn-NAS> ;P
[16:00] <Thorn_> been 1.5 months of rain here :(
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[16:00] <Thorn_> winter was far sunnier
[16:00] <Crenn-NAS> Thorn_: Melbourne has been getting similar lately
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[16:00] <drazyl> what is this "sunnier" you talk of?
[16:01] <Crenn-NAS> drazyl: It's like getting rained on, but instead of water, it's light
[16:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[16:01] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton. Temp 16??C. Condition: Rain, Humidity: 94%, Later 20??C - 15??C. Condition: Rain.
[16:01] <drazyl> Crenn-NAS sorcery!
[16:01] <Crenn-NAS> !w
[16:01] <PiBot> Crenn-NAS: in Melbourne, VIC on Tue Jul 3 04:00:00 2012. Temp 8??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 93%, Later 15??C - 7??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[16:01] <IT_Sean> and the sky is blue, not grey
[16:02] <drazyl> IT_Sean no, the sea is blue, the sky is grey. It has always been this way.
[16:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> no it grey and wet and I left my car window open ;-(
[16:02] <IT_Sean> drazyl: sometimes they are both blue!
[16:02] <Draylor> only applies to parts of the world that dont have rain 24/7/365
[16:02] <drazyl> IT_Sean but then we would all drown!
[16:02] <Crenn-NAS> No, the sky is black, I can take pictures to prove it!
[16:02] <IT_Sean> you lot are all crazy
[16:03] <IT_Sean> I've seen this blue sky sunny thing. I swear it is true!
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[16:03] <Draylor> only on TV :p
[16:03] <Crenn-NAS> Only in the movies
[16:03] <IT_Sean> No, in Real Life!
[16:03] <Crenn-NAS> GASP!
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[16:04] <IT_Sean> I swear!
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[16:04] <Crenn-NAS> Do you have photographic proof?
[16:05] <Veryevil> pic or it didn't happen
[16:05] <IT_Sean> i might
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[16:05] <IT_Sean> I have proof, but, it's on my home computer.
[16:05] <IT_Sean> So you will have to wait 'till tonight to see it
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[16:06] <drazyl> photoshop!
[16:07] <s[x]> anyone know if there is anyway to improve audio on the 3.5mm at this stage
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[16:07] <ReggieUK> nope
[16:07] <ReggieUK> well, unless you want to control a couple of servos
[16:08] <IT_Sean> Actually, wait, no, i have photographic proof RIGHT HERE!!!!
[16:08] <IT_Sean> http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6480/img0182fnh.jpg
[16:08] <IT_Sean> ^ Blue sky!
[16:08] <Veryevil> this picture could have been taken anywhere
[16:09] <IT_Sean> I think you will find that it was taken from the bridge over the river on the Marlow high street, in Buckinghamshire
[16:09] <ReggieUK> today?
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[16:10] <Crenn-NAS> There is no image location data from that image, only that it was taken with an iPhone 4 :(
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[16:10] <Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: It was taken on 11/03/2012 at 11:09AM GMT
[16:11] <ReggieUK> btw. apparently, pre-ordering stops today for the pi
[16:11] <ReggieUK> ready for general release this week apparently
[16:11] <Crenn-NAS> Oh? Really?
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[16:12] <Crenn-NAS> Can't wait to buy another one (For messing around with)
[16:12] <Crenn-NAS> Using one right now to place a NAS
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[16:13] <IT_Sean> No matter when it was taken, there is blue sky in it!
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[16:14] <Joshun> hi
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[16:14] <dirty_d> hi
[16:14] <Joshun> would it be possible to get this to boot on the pi: http://www.plop.at/en/plopkexec.html
[16:15] <Joshun> it would let you easily boot off usb etc.
[16:15] <ReggieUK> just wondering if it's worth it, as there was some work being done on uboot
[16:16] <ReggieUK> which will do everything essentially (give the right drivers)
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[16:16] <Joshun> yeah
[16:16] <Joshun> a customised debian install with kexec may do it
[16:16] <ReggieUK> nand, nor, nfs, ramdisk, usb etc.
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[16:16] <Veryevil> uboot works
[16:16] <Veryevil> its a bit rough but its bootable
[16:17] <Joshun> do you have to build it yourself
[16:17] <ReggieUK> :)
[16:17] <Veryevil> http://kernelnomicon.org/
[16:17] <Veryevil> they have binaries
[16:17] <Joshun> oh thanks
[16:17] <ReggieUK> last time I saw it, it was booting via ethernet
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[16:18] <Veryevil> it crashed for me when I had usb keyboard in
[16:18] <Joshun> ouch
[16:18] <Joshun> does the firmware load in first then
[16:18] <Veryevil> works over serial. does not output to display
[16:18] <Veryevil> o no composite or hdmi
[16:18] <ReggieUK> that's not unusual for uboot
[16:19] <Veryevil> yeah I know
[16:19] <Veryevil> would have been a nice touch
[16:19] <Joshun> can you set it to automatically do something
[16:19] <Joshun> like just load a kernel from /dev/sdb1 for example
[16:19] <ReggieUK> but there are so many other platforms already supported by uboot that it might be possible to leverage one of the other devices drivers
[16:19] <Veryevil> I belive thats how uboot works
[16:19] <ReggieUK> you can do all sorts with uboot
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[16:20] <ReggieUK> you can create some pretty sophisticated env scripts that will allow you to do all sorts of stuff :)
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[16:21] <Joshun> yeah looks interesting
[16:21] <Joshun> kexec may be easier though
[16:21] <Joshun> since you could do it from an already running system
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[16:24] <ReggieUK> one small problem, it's built for i486 apparently
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[16:25] <Joshun> oh
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[16:27] <Joshun> just booted raspbian
[16:27] <Joshun> seems very fast
[16:27] <ReggieUK> that'll be the floating point
[16:27] <ReggieUK> but don't expect it to be fast across the board
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[16:27] <ReggieUK> just on stuff that uses floating point
[16:28] <Joshun> what about web browsers and stuff
[16:28] <Joshun> although they probably wouldn't so much
[16:28] <ReggieUK> no idea
[16:28] <ReggieUK> you've got it booted, try it
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[16:29] <Veryevil> PI cannot do fast web browsing
[16:29] <Veryevil> scrolling is painful so is page loading
[16:29] <Joshun> dillo is very fast
[16:29] <Joshun> but doesn't support all the standards
[16:30] <SocksG> Links is very fast :-)
[16:30] <Joshun> is that text-only
[16:31] <SocksG> I meant Lynx, although Links is also text-based, I haven't used it.
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[16:35] <Crenn-NAS> Whee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18b01mdbTaM
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[16:37] <Joshun> thats awesome Crenn-NAS
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[16:43] <Crenn-NAS> Joshun: Not really, it's simple really xD
[16:44] <Joshun> i'm gonna try some stuff like that when i get round to it
[16:44] <Joshun> i wonder if an ide ribbon cable could be used for gpio
[16:45] <Crenn-NAS> Yes it can
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[16:45] <Crenn-NAS> I have individual F-F 0.1" cables
[16:46] <WASDx> I'm sure this has been linked before http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWI1CcJM0y8
[16:46] <Joshun> do you have to have a buffer board to just use LEDS
[16:46] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: He mentions your site in the video
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[16:48] <Crenn-NAS> Joshun: If you're using the GPIO directly I'd recommend it
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[16:51] <Joshun> my raspi's just done a complete freeze up
[16:52] <Joshun> not even sysrq works
[16:52] <Veryevil> teh_orph: trying to install your new memset and memcopy functions but getting a preload error
[16:53] <teh_orph> how so
[16:53] <teh_orph> how are you running it?
[16:53] <Veryevil> I used echo /home/pi/libcofi_rpi.so | sudo tee /etc/ld.so.preload
[16:54] <teh_orph> which distro?
[16:54] <Veryevil> although I downloaded it as root and did it as root
[16:54] <Veryevil> on Rasbian
[16:54] <Veryevil> Raspbian
[16:54] <teh_orph> everything running as root?
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[16:54] <Veryevil> gonna move it to no root one sec
[16:54] <teh_orph> I've not tried that ld.so.preload thing btw
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[16:57] <Gadgetoid> Anyone tried WiringPython yet? :D
[16:57] <Crenn-NAS> btw, what is the root password for the debian wheezy image?
[16:57] <Joshun> raspberry
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[16:58] <dirty_d> lol, http://i.imgur.com/eV3VJ.jpg
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[16:58] <joeka> hello!
[16:59] <Gadgetoid> hello!
[16:59] <joeka> is anyone using arch linux arm and has updated recently?
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[17:01] <joeka> mine won't boot since I updated it, only OK and PWR leds on, no hdmi output, ssh not reachable
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[17:01] <Joshun> joeka - you could mount the sd card image and extract the firmware
[17:01] <cjbaird> I'd love to know what's using up all the RAM, when the sum of the file buffers, cache, and program RSS/VSS is nowhere near to the ~220MB it says is in use..
[17:01] <Joshun> and then copy it back on
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[17:02] <cjbaird> especially since I'm getting a lot of page-allocation exceptions
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[17:03] <joeka> Joshun :( oh no, the only card reader around is a macbook. These things are strange to use ^^
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[17:04] <frankivo> lol
[17:04] <Joshun> joeka - that would do it. just use mount: mount -o loop disk.img /home/username/mount-path
[17:04] <frankivo> mac requires sudo for that, fyi :)
[17:04] <nerker> I keep getting corruptions on my sd card. I have reflshed it but now i can't resize the filesystem. It seems I have a "superblock " corruption . How do I clear this?
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[17:05] <Joshun> nerker - you could recreate the partition table
[17:05] <joeka> oh wait
[17:05] <Crenn-NAS> Joshun: That password doesn't work for su -
[17:05] <Joshun> what about sudo
[17:06] <Joshun> they probably disabled the root account
[17:06] <Dagger2> I don't think it comes with a root password. get a root shell with `sudo -i` and set one with `passwd`
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[17:06] <Dagger2> ... or just `sudo passwd`...
[17:06] <nerker> joshun: I can make the partition bigger but when I run resize2fs I get the superblock error.
[17:07] <joeka> Joshun, I won't be able to easily mount the FS in OS X, I guess
[17:07] <Joshun> you may have to recreate it
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[17:07] <Crenn-NAS> Dagger2: sudo passwd worked ;D
[17:07] <Joshun> joeka - you should be able to. i think it comes with most of the unix utilities
[17:07] <nerker> joshun: How do I do that?
[17:07] <Crenn-NAS> I love screen on the RPi :D
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[17:08] <Joshun> nerker - you may have to re-flash the image from scratch - under unix you would use dd
[17:09] <Joshun> joeka - if you can't, you can always do it with a livecd
[17:09] <nerker> joshun: I have done that several times but I still get the superblock error when I try to resize.
[17:09] <Joshun> nerker - what if you completely erase the card by recreating the partition table in gparted
[17:10] <Joshun> ouch games run really slow on the raspi
[17:10] <Joshun> hedgewars is down to 0.5 fps
[17:10] <nerker> joshun: I have never used gparted, Is it a windows utility. I use linux fdisk.
[17:11] <joeka> Joshun, I tried something else with a live cd earlier and couldn't get the card reader to work
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[17:11] <Veryevil> teh_orph: compiling it from your git repo seems to be working
[17:11] <teh_orph> j'ai mega
[17:12] <Joshun> nerker - its bundled or available on most linux distros. fdisk should do it though
[17:12] <teh_orph> forget that preload stuff
[17:12] <teh_orph> try this
[17:12] <teh_orph> on the command line,
[17:12] <mervaka> i'd love to try running eCOS on the rpi
[17:12] <Joshun> joeka - do you want me to extract the firmware for you?
[17:12] <Joshun> and then you can just copy it onto the sd card
[17:12] <teh_orph> LD_PRELOAD=/full/path/to/libcofi_rpi.so my_program_eg_Xorg_here
[17:12] <joeka> Joshun I haven't done much yet, I could just put the original image back on
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[17:12] <nerker> joshun: Ok thanks i will have another go thanks.
[17:12] <Joshun> nerker: http://www.basicconfig.com/create_new_partition_table_fdisk
[17:13] <joeka> the problem is, that I don't know why it doesn't work anymore
[17:13] <nerker> joshun: Ok thanks again
[17:13] <oldtopman> Partitioning problems?
[17:13] <joeka> so when I update again it could break again
[17:13] <Joshun> well you could always prevent the firmware from updating
[17:13] <Joshun> like making it mount as read only or something
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[17:14] <Joshun> or not at all
[17:14] <Joshun> if you edit /etc/fstab
[17:14] <joeka> but on the other hand, I won't be updated then ^^
[17:14] <joeka> it
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[17:15] <joeka> I just retry and when it fails again I cry
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[17:15] <Joshun> unless you only update it manually
[17:15] <Joshun> you could just download it and stick it on the partition for example
[17:15] <joeka> yes
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[17:16] <Joshun> or have it mounted with 'noauto' so it only mounts when you want it to
[17:16] <joeka> Joshun, what is the default FS on that arch image?
[17:16] <Joshun> not sure i haven't tested it myself
[17:16] <joeka> ah, ok
[17:17] <Joshun> i'm guessing for root it is probably ext4
[17:17] <Joshun> and the firmware is probably just a fat32 partition
[17:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://pp3dp.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238:preorder-your-up-mini-3d-printer-now&catid=43:blog&Itemid=55
[17:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> oops wrong window
[17:17] <`z> UNIVERSAL CEREAL BUS
[17:17] <`z> http://s.znx.cc/zmsfx
[17:18] <Kolin> ...
[17:18] <Joshun> what architecture is arch btw?
[17:18] <Joshun> is it arm5 or 6
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[17:20] <Joshun> oh no
[17:20] <Joshun> arm_freq=800 has overclocked my pi
[17:20] <Joshun> and probably voided the warranty
[17:21] <Joshun> which is default in hexxeh's image
[17:21] <aykut> 800
[17:21] <Joshun> does that overclock
[17:21] <Joshun> or is it normal
[17:22] <IT_Sean> Joshun: Overclocking does not void the warrenty
[17:22] <IT_Sean> only overVOLTing does
[17:22] <Joshun> oh
[17:22] <Joshun> thats ok then
[17:22] <Joshun> i thought i read somewhere that it did
[17:22] <Joshun> the voltage is fine anyway
[17:22] <IT_Sean> no, you read that overvolting did
[17:22] <aykut> lol
[17:22] <Joshun> "At this point, we'd like to mention that it's perfectly possible to brick a Raspberry Pi by overclocking it, and that even attempting to do so sets a fuse within the SoC that means your warranty is toast - even if the device isn't. "
[17:23] <Joshun> http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/pcs/2012/04/16/raspberry-pi-review/7
[17:23] <IT_Sean> I dunno where they got that info.
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[17:23] <IT_Sean> Only over-volting blows the OTP bit
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[17:23] <Joshun> oh
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[17:23] <joeka> Joshun, it starts with the old firmware
[17:23] <joeka> thanks
[17:24] <Joshun> great
[17:24] <Joshun> i would suggest modifying your /etc/fstab to prevent it from updating firmware automatically
[17:25] <IT_Sean> the one time programmable bit (the "fuse") mentioned above is only "blown" by overvolting the Pi. Overclocking without overvolting is safe, and will not void the warrent
[17:25] <IT_Sean> *warrenty
[17:25] <Joshun> how much is the voltage tolerance
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[17:26] <joeka> Joshun, I would rather do it through pacman
[17:26] <Joshun> there is probably a way of editing pacman's rules somehow
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[17:27] <Joshun> is arch faster than debian wheezy?
[17:27] <aykut> lighter
[17:27] <Joshun> performance wise
[17:28] <joeka> no idea, I'm using arch on my notebook so I'm used to it, that's why I chose it
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[17:29] <Joshun> well its still armv5 so probably about the same
[17:29] <aykut> probably
[17:29] <joeka> so now I have a raspberry pi, good
[17:30] <joeka> I only have to start doing stuff with it
[17:30] <aykut> i have one too but i dont have proper tv :(
[17:30] <joeka> :)
[17:30] <joeka> I won't use video output often anyway
[17:30] <BlazemoreWork> Anyone in Nottingham want to come to a Raspberry Pi Open Hack Night at the Hackspace tomorrow?
[17:31] <Joshun> its still useful with a composite out
[17:31] <Joshun> means i can use it with a 7" dvd player :)
[17:31] <mervaka> would be interesting to hack the composite out like i did the headphone out :)
[17:31] <mervaka> a fully fledged DAC
[17:32] <aykut> different country :(
[17:32] <Joshun> Nottingham's to far away :(
[17:32] <joeka> hihi
[17:32] <BlazemoreWork> Worth asking though
[17:32] <Joshun> yeah
[17:33] <joeka> top -> 'rxvt-unicode-256color': unknown terminal type.
[17:33] <BlazemoreWork> Anyway more info here http://nottinghack.org.uk/?p=1285
[17:33] <Joshun> if it wasn't too far from gloucestershire i would be definitely interested
[17:33] <BlazemoreWork> Bit of a way to go
[17:33] <Joshun> there are linux user groups though
[17:34] <BlazemoreWork> Indeed, we have one here
[17:35] <Crenn-NAS> aykut: My RPi has only been connected to a monitor once
[17:35] <aykut> over ssh ?
[17:36] <Joshun> why not just tunnel x over ssh
[17:36] <Joshun> then you could run all your programs
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[17:36] <Crenn-NAS> aykut: I'm on it right now over SSH ;D
[17:36] <aykut> there is 3 pc working in my room
[17:37] <aykut> i dont need run programs on it but it would be nice to play some video on tv
[17:37] <Joshun> yeah
[17:37] <Joshun> openelec is supposed to be good
[17:38] <Joshun> it has hardware decoding too
[17:38] <ReggieUK> Not sure if anyone has asked this question, does anyone know what IP the audio on the pi SoC is based?
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[17:38] <dirty_d> lol
[17:39] <dirty_d> some guy just bought a bag of chips and emptied the whole thing on the library's computer desk and started chowing down
[17:39] <ReggieUK> define chips
[17:39] <phire> Crenn-NAS, I haven't even connected this pi to the ethernet, hdmi or usb
[17:39] <dirty_d> potato chips
[17:39] <drazyl> bits of potato cut into strips and deep fried
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[17:39] <Joshun> lol
[17:39] <dirty_d> no
[17:40] <drazyl> ahhh, you mean crisps
[17:40] <dirty_d> the flat crispy ones
[17:40] <drazyl> :)
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[17:40] <ReggieUK> would've been more impressive if it was the english version of chips
[17:40] <dirty_d> me too
[17:40] <dirty_d> when i was little i thought the chips in fish and chips was the batter on the fish, lol
[17:40] <drazyl> plenty of S&V
[17:41] <dirty_d> fish&chips and french fries
[17:41] <ReggieUK> don't forget the garlic mayo
[17:41] <dirty_d> tartar sauce
[17:41] <drazyl> weirdo
[17:41] <mervaka> dirty_d: sorta got two channel pwm working now :)
[17:41] <ReggieUK> the garlic mayo is to go with teh kebab
[17:41] <dirty_d> cool
[17:42] <dirty_d> you guys like fried dogfish dont you?
[17:42] <ReggieUK> did you figure out what was wrong with the futaba?
[17:42] <drazyl> ReggieUK - fair enough, let you off there
[17:42] <mervaka> dirty_d: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151063810828767
[17:42] <Crenn-NAS> phire: You will
[17:42] <ReggieUK> dogfish? Not as far as I know, does it have another name
[17:42] <drazyl> rock salmon
[17:42] <mervaka> ReggieUK: havent confirmed anything yet, but it's almost certainly a voltage swing problem
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[17:42] <ReggieUK> ahh, yes then
[17:42] <ReggieUK> but seems to be an older generation thing I think
[17:43] <ReggieUK> as in WWII and after generations
[17:43] <Crenn-NAS> Time to sleep
[17:43] <Crenn-NAS> Coming upto 2AM
[17:43] <dirty_d> mervaka, cool
[17:43] <dirty_d> ReggieUK, not sure, its a small tothless shark
[17:43] <mervaka> there was a small issue where one servo affected the other
[17:43] <dirty_d> toothless
[17:44] <mervaka> but that was backemf on the 5v line
[17:44] <deuxenun> hi guys! talking to you with my freshly received Pi !
[17:44] <mervaka> so a couple of large caps sorted that :)
[17:44] <drazyl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiny_dogfish
[17:44] <dirty_d> yup
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[17:44] <drazyl> if it's called "rock" in a fish and chip shop, it's dogfish
[17:44] <dirty_d> the water is infested with those where i live
[17:44] <dirty_d> i tried eating it once, pretty gross
[17:44] <dirty_d> lol
[17:45] <phire> Crenn-NAS, probably. But right now its just sd cards and a flashing led
[17:45] <ReggieUK> or huss
[17:45] <drazyl> bloody hard to killa dogfish
[17:45] <deuxenun> this species is "Vulnerable"
[17:45] <deuxenun> according to the Wikipedia page
[17:45] <ReggieUK> like I said, it's an older generation kind of thing
[17:46] <deuxenun> ok
[17:46] <dirty_d> ive caught some pretty big ones
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[17:46] <drazyl> had one in the bottom of the boat once, everytime you went near it it tried to bite you
[17:46] <dirty_d> like 4 or 5 feet
[17:46] <ReggieUK> I caught one as a teenager
[17:46] <ReggieUK> was small
[17:46] <ReggieUK> it went back
[17:46] <dirty_d> they dont have teeth
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[17:46] <dirty_d> they have like the mouth of a stingray
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[17:46] <BlazemoreWork> What do you think of this as part of a greenhouse monitor? http://www.picotech.com/humidiprobe.html
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[17:47] <ReggieUK> expensive?
[17:47] <Crenn-NAS> phire: With any microcontroller, the first step involves a flashing LED ;P
[17:47] <booyaa> indeed
[17:47] <booyaa> it's the equivalent of hello world
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[17:47] <Crenn-NAS> Oh yes
[17:48] <Crenn-NAS> Hence my first program to do with a port expander was to flash the LEDs
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[17:49] <Crenn-NAS> Night all
[17:49] <booyaa> ciao
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[17:53] <phire> yeah, its a hello world
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> Mmm doggie fish.
[17:56] <cul> Do anyone know how I can cancel my RPi order from UK Farnell? I didn't order it when logged in to an account.
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[17:57] <gordonDrogon> cul did you give them your card details?
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[17:57] <cul> gordonDrogon: yes.
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> just take it and put in on ebay...
[17:57] <cul> :/
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> BlazemoreWork, that's a nice probe, but a bit expensive! More than the sht15 sensor...
[17:58] <IrquiM> woho! knock on the door from DHL with a bag of Pi-stuff!
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> Mmmm.. Pi stuff!!!
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[18:00] <XeCrypt> IrquiM, nice one :)
[18:00] <XeCrypt> that did you buy?
[18:00] <XeCrypt> *what
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[18:01] <IrquiM> Pi itself, power adapter and a SD card with OS pre-installed
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[18:02] <XeCrypt> ah, sweet
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[18:03] <XeCrypt> hopefully my delivery gets here in one or two days... and SD card package shows up at the same time as the Pi itself :P
[18:03] <XeCrypt> one without the other would be crap
[18:04] <mikey_w> My adafruit case is on the way but no shipping info on my raspi.
[18:05] <IrquiM> ordered a case as well this weekend - should be here in a couple of days...
[18:05] <mikey_w> I received a notice that the order was being processed on June 28th,
[18:05] <IrquiM> have found that UK -> NO is quicker than NO -> NO
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[18:05] <glen2> Hello.
[18:05] <Thorn_> evening
[18:06] <mikey_w> Very frustrating.
[18:07] <glen2> How do I talk to the GPIO pins?
[18:07] <glen2> Is there a guide?
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> You look at them and in a stern voice, you say "Hello" to them.
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> possibly best to do while alone ... ;-)
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[18:08] <mervaka> heh
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> plan B: start here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/
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[18:16] <Gadgetoid> glen2: and use WiringPython, heeeeeee :D
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[18:16] <Gadgetoid> Damnit, I really need to do some GPIO examples of my own, need moar traffic :D
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[18:17] <glen2> I want a RPi control a 3D printer with the GPIO pins and the video out.
[18:18] <drazyl> I want a pony with a jet pack
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> nothing like starting easy then :)
[18:18] <Fozzey_> what is the video for?
[18:18] <mervaka> glen2: what are you trying to control specifically on the 3d printer?
[18:18] <mervaka> servos?
[18:19] <mervaka> or are you communicating with a microcontroller
[18:19] <mervaka> or a stepper motor controller
[18:19] <ReggieUK> drazyl, I've got a spare on here but it's fitted with a laser, any good?
[18:19] <ReggieUK> spare one*
[18:19] <drazyl> is the laser pink/
[18:19] <ReggieUK> rgb
[18:19] <quintet> since wqhen does a 2gb sd image not fit an actual 2gb sd card...
[18:20] <ReggieUK> since your 2gb card isn't actually 2gb?
[18:20] <drazyl> when you throw away all those awkward 24's
[18:20] <ReggieUK> and never has been
[18:20] * jprvita|afk is now known as jprvita
[18:20] <Draylor> or your 2gb image isnt actually 2gb
[18:20] <quintet> but it is
[18:20] <quintet> very clearly\
[18:20] <Draylor> or both, just for laughs
[18:20] <ReggieUK> :D
[18:20] <quintet> unless nintendo and toshiba lied and shipped a smaller oen with a 2gb label in the 3ds :P
[18:20] <ReggieUK> compare the size of the image to the size of the card (in bytes)
[18:21] <drazyl> 1... 2.... alot!
[18:21] <Draylor> prob jus doing it wrong :)
[18:21] <quintet> even then, ud thin whoever made the image woudld comp[ensate for differences like that
[18:21] <ReggieUK> perhaps they did
[18:22] <quintet> how woudl i even be able to do that lol, u pick sd u pick image, win32 does the rest
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[18:22] <drazyl> you need to shake the sd card so that the bits settle down, you can get more in that way
[18:23] <quintet> very funny (not)
[18:23] <Draylor> do you work for a audiophile cable manufacturer? :D
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[18:23] <IT_Sean> Tap it against a hard surface to pack all the bits into the back end
[18:23] <drazyl> no, cables need to kept at a very precise temperature or the sound boils away
[18:23] <ReggieUK> I have no idea about your proficiency with a computer but most people would probably right click on the device/file in windows and choose properties (depending on the partition structure on the sd card)
[18:23] <quintet> even less funny\
[18:24] <drazyl> thats why cable is covered in rubber, to keep the sound in
[18:24] <ReggieUK> not all SD cards are the exact same size
[18:24] <drazyl> mine is about an inch by a bit less
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[18:24] <ReggieUK> s/size/w/capacity
[18:25] <Draylor> i remember a time, maybe about 20mins ago, when this chan was bordering on helpful :D
[18:25] <drazyl> don't think mine could hold as much as a centilitre but haven't opened it up
[18:25] <ReggieUK> my last 3 responses have been helpful
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[18:25] <quintet> if only whoeever made the image accounted for that
[18:25] <IT_Sean> Wait... Someone was helpful in here!? Tell me who, i must ban them at once! :p
[18:25] <quintet> clearly didnt, cuz it doesnt fit here
[18:25] <drazyl> you should compress it. a vice will do
[18:26] <IT_Sean> Alright... This is fun and all, but, if the guy really needs help... :p
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[18:26] <IT_Sean> Draylor: I was afk.. what is the problem you are having?
[18:26] <Draylor> lol, no, not me.
[18:27] <drazyl> what is the exact size of the image?
[18:27] <Draylor> just laughing at the answers quintet is getting :D
[18:27] <ReggieUK> quintet, they can't account for every single card made
[18:27] <IT_Sean> Ohhh. Okay... quintet, what is the problem you are having?
[18:27] <ReggieUK> so they've done the best they can
[18:27] <ReggieUK> but you could report your issue to the image creators once you've been helped here
[18:27] <IT_Sean> ... and have you tried turning it off and back on again?
[18:29] <aanderson> glen2: I'm interested in your 3D printer idea...
[18:30] <teh_orph> laters, fellas
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[18:36] <aanderson> somehow I managed to end the conversationj... ;)
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[18:39] <gordonDrogon> Get an arduino to control the mechanics of the 3D printer, then get the Pi to run the design stuff - have the Pi download the printing program to the Arduino controlling the hardware.
[18:39] <ReggieUK> indeed, there are a few arduino based printer/cnc boards
[18:40] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: I'd rather a Maple control the 3D printer, but I could be biased ;P
[18:41] <cehteh> why are repraps so expensive?
[18:41] <Crenn-NAS> cehteh: Because of the precision required most likely
[18:42] <cehteh> its not that much precision
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[18:42] <aanderson> I'm looking into doing some robotics with my Pi (when I eventually get it)... something I did a bit of years ago
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, I've really no idea about the underlying mechanics. not somthing I've really had time to get into.
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> aanderson, just remember the Pi is running a multi-tasking pre-emptive operating system. It might not be the best thing for real-time control...
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[18:44] <ReggieUK> although there do seem to be some projects that are looking at rtos stuff on the pi
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> there are real-time patches for the kernel and I think at least one person has implemented them.
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> I'm not convinced it's the best platform though.
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[18:45] <aanderson> don't put too much faith in the complexity of the machine I want to drive ;)
[18:46] <ReggieUK> I think I saw a couple of posts that were talking non-linux stuff
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[18:49] <mervaka> ReggieUK: the cornwall/devon banter? sorry :p
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[18:54] <ReggieUK> don't think I understand what that means mervaka
[18:54] * ReggieUK checks
[18:54] <ReggieUK> nope
[18:54] <ReggieUK> I don't :)
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[18:56] <NucWin> yay
[18:56] <NucWin> irc -> perl -> RPi -> gpio
[18:57] <NucWin> !flash
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[18:57] <aanderson> NucWin: ?
[18:58] <NucWin> gPIo is my pi
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[18:58] <aanderson> neat :)
[18:58] <aanderson> what's connected to the gpio?
[18:58] <NucWin> with led's for connected, join, part/quit, public, private, !flash
[18:58] <aanderson> cool
[18:58] <dirty_d> mervaka, how did you convert the signal from AC to DC?
[18:59] <aanderson> what about feeding back, press a physical button and have it speak in the channel or something?
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[18:59] <NucWin> its wired... need to do the code :P
[19:00] <aanderson> heh, great minds
[19:00] <ReggieUK> NucWin, that sounds neat :)
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[19:01] <aanderson> right, time to call it a day for me, I think. I'm off to dream of robot butlers :)
[19:01] <aanderson> night all
[19:02] <NucWin> gn aanderson
[19:03] <glen2> aanderson: The printer is a projector over a vat of light sersative resin, with a stepper motor to drop the print platform down 0.1mm every layer.
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[19:03] <glen2> aanderson: So I need to ouptut an image, have three wires to control a stepper motor.
[19:08] <mervaka> talk to the bristol hackerspace
[19:08] <mervaka> they're hot on 3d printers
[19:08] <The_Pacifist> can omxplayer not handle avi's off the bat?
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[19:08] <mlepage> I've seen some 3D printers in action, they seem to be finnicky but people play with them.
[19:09] <solar_sea> will the pi trigger a fuse if I connect a 5v uart to it, or will it burn out altogether ?
[19:09] <The_Pacifist> it just prints out stats (without typing -s) then says "have a nice day"
[19:09] <ReggieUK> nope, unlikely to trigger a fuse
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[19:10] <ReggieUK> as the fuses on the pi have nothing to do with the uart
[19:10] <solar_sea> dammit, I bought a cheap usb-uart converter, but it doesn't specify the tx/rx output voltage levels, neither do I have a meter with me :)
[19:11] <ReggieUK> what chip has it got on it?
[19:11] <solar_sea> ftdi's ft232rl
[19:11] <ReggieUK> you could always look at the datsheet for the chip and work out the circuit
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[19:12] <solar_sea> it doesn't say .. the datasheets says that I can either connect 5v ot 3.3v to vccio, which .. looks weird
[19:12] <ReggieUK> do you know what package the chip is?
[19:12] <ReggieUK> does it have pins on all 4 sides or just 2?
[19:13] <solar_sea> the one where it's lined on 2 sides
[19:13] <ReggieUK> basically, with the ftdi chip, whatever voltage is seen on vccio is the voltage that the ftdi uses for the IO
[19:14] <ReggieUK> so, if it's in 3.3v mode, pin 17 will be connected to pin 4
[19:14] <solar_sea> the board's output has only vccio on the output pins, and has another set of pins order like 5v, vccio, 3v3, I guess they should be shorted with a jumper ?
[19:14] <ReggieUK> yeah, only 1 of them should be connected to vccio
[19:14] <solar_sea> http://elimex.bg/userfiles/productlargeimages/product_33351.jpg
[19:15] <solar_sea> looks like one is connected by default, because the TX led is blinking when I type something in a terminal opened to it
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[19:17] <ReggieUK> not easy to tell from teh picture
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[19:17] <ReggieUK> but afaik, the led will just blink, it's not an indicator that data is actually making it to anywhere sensible
[19:18] <ReggieUK> is there a datasheet or schematic for the board?
[19:20] <solar_sea> not really .. there's a visual one, specifying the smd's values/codes, but not the actual board layout with connections
[19:21] <ReggieUK> not bothered about the board layout particularly, but if there's a schematic that'd be useful
[19:21] <ReggieUK> could you link to the 'visual one'?
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[19:21] <solar_sea> in a minute, let me get a shot of it
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[19:28] <solar_sea> ReggieUK: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/img076sj.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/715/img077o.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/528/img078h.jpg/
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[19:29] <NucWin> :)
[19:29] <gPIo> Someone pressed my button!
[19:29] <NucWin> \o/
[19:30] <mervaka> you'll get that a lot here, if you mean hilighting.
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[19:31] <glen2> mervaka: Most Hackspaces are into 3D printers.
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[19:32] <sako1> can anyone recommend a very lightweight desktop? I've tried icewm and fluxbox
[19:32] <sako1> anyone tried enlightenment?
[19:33] <glen2> sako1: emacs.
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[19:33] <mythos> emacs is it's owon os, silly
[19:34] <mythos> *own
[19:34] <sako1> cheers Glen
[19:35] <sako1> ?
[19:35] <mythos> glen2, there is an raspbian with mate available
[19:35] <mervaka> glen2: true. i say bristol because i have a friend there, so know for certain
[19:35] <glen2> sako1: There's not any real diffrence between the requirments for enlightenment and fluxbox. Unless you turn on enlightenment's water effect feture.
[19:35] <mythos> ?h, sako1
[19:35] <sako1> tyhank
[19:35] <sako1> thanks
[19:36] <ReggieUK> solar_sea, from what I can see on the images, it looks like you just need to jumper 3.3v to vccio, there aren't any solder jumpers on the board at all
[19:36] <ReggieUK> but
[19:36] <ReggieUK> if it breaks your pi, I'm not responsible :D
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[19:37] <gPIo> Someone pressed my button!
[19:37] <solar_sea> ReggieUK: ofcourse :) I managed to a find a friend that will be bring me a meter in a couple of hours. I guess the uart's tx/rx lines are always on and low for 1, so I can measure them reliably ?
[19:38] <ReggieUK> unfortunately, theres a via between the vccio pin on the side of the board and the vccio pin on the header block that comes up underneath the chip
[19:38] <ReggieUK> but it *looks* like they've laid the board out that way for a reason, so that it's easy to jumper
[19:38] <ReggieUK> not sure you can just measure them reliably
[19:39] <ReggieUK> but really, measuring if there is a voltage between vccio and ground might be the better way?
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[19:39] <ReggieUK> instead of trying to measure tx/rx
[19:40] <yggdrasil> whats up today gents
[19:40] <ReggieUK> well, it's tx you need to measure if you're going to try that but vccio/gnd would be the better place to start
[19:40] <ReggieUK> hi yggdrasil
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[19:40] <j0nnymoe> evening
[19:40] <j0nnymoe> got a replacement pi coming tomorrow
[19:41] <j0nnymoe> after test different sd cards/hd tv's/hdmi's over the weekend
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[19:41] <j0nnymoe> still no luck booting off hdmi
[19:41] <solar_sea> ReggieUK: it's the tx that i'll connect to the pi after all, but I'll check the vccio to ground without any jumpers initially and then when it's shorted with 3v3
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[19:41] <yggdrasil> you are trying to boot off hdmi ?
[19:41] <yggdrasil> wild
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[19:42] <j0nnymoe> yggdrasil, yeh i know mental..
[19:42] <mikey_w> Boot off of hdmi, amazing!
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[19:43] <yggdrasil> didnt realize it was bidirecitonal.
[19:43] <NucWin> if anyone interested about gPIo bot. code: http://pastebin.com/QSKv0mc6 img: http://db.tt/EzlJb8HE
[19:43] <ReggieUK> of course but the vccio governs what voltage the TX pin will use
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[19:45] <solar_sea> weird, none of this was specified on the package's instructions. I guess they can work on it's documentation :)
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[19:47] <mlepage> There are a lot of questions on StackOverflow about cross-compiling to RPi, how to set up a toolchain. (Because compiling on the RPi is slow and can't build large projects, and people want to use Eclipse etc.) Has anyone considered making a small VM (say for VirtualBox) with Linux installed, and the whole cross-compilation toolchain for RPi already installed and configured, so people can just use that (either directly, or as a reference for building th
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[19:49] <PaulFertser> mlepage: truncaned after "building th"
[19:49] <PaulFertser> mlepage: also there's distcc that makes native compilation much more tolerable
[19:49] <_rp> i think irc maybe fell asleep at that point
[19:49] <yggdrasil> haha
[19:49] <mlepage> Ah OK. Just saying a cross-compiling VM might appeal to some.
[19:49] <PaulFertser> mlepage: cross-compiling is often a pain, no wonder Debian doesn't do that for the official packages.
[19:49] <Dagger2> there is a 512 byte limit on IRC message length
[19:50] <PaulFertser> mlepage: there's already pbuilder/qemubuilder + emdebian, what else might one need?
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> why aren't people developing on their Linux desktop, then doing a final rsync/make on the Pi?
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> that will work for everything except very Pi specific stuff...
[19:51] <mlepage> PaulFertser: Fully accept that it might already exist. Maybe just needs publicizing. I know I'm gonna be working no a larger project myself soon, and probably gonna develop native on Linux, then do final builds on RPi.
[19:51] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: mostly because i cant be bothered to set it up :)
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, ah. :)
[19:52] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: my c code is very brief anyway, takes seconds to compile
[19:52] <mlepage> I'm actually developing in an Ubuntu VM on Mac OS X, for RPi.
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, I used the cross compiler stuff documented on bootc's site...
[19:52] <mervaka> in fact i just nano in and change stuff
[19:52] <mervaka> it's all synced via svn
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[19:52] <mervaka> i just commit often
[19:53] <mlepage> mervaka: svn? rocking it old school eh? :-)
[19:53] <PaulFertser> mervaka: please do not take it as offence but i really suggest you to learn git or hg. I was _so_ glad after i did that myself.
[19:53] <mervaka> i knew this would come :p
[19:53] <mlepage> trust me, learn git.
[19:53] <mervaka> i dont really understand why people want distributed versioning
[19:53] <mervaka> i know git
[19:53] <mervaka> i know hg
[19:53] <mervaka> i just prefer central versioning
[19:54] <PaulFertser> Of course you can do that with git.
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[19:54] <PaulFertser> And branching, mmmm, tasty
[19:54] <mervaka> yeah, so whats the advantage from using git as a central versioning system?
[19:54] <PaulFertser> Once you really get the "feel of git" you'll never want to look back.
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[19:54] <mervaka> instead of svn
[19:55] <Dagger2> branching works in git
[19:55] <Dagger2> it doesn't really in svn
[19:55] <mervaka> hmm
[19:55] <andatche> you can use git as a central versioning tool if you wish
[19:55] <mlepage> You can push to a central repo with git. That's what we do at work.
[19:55] <mervaka> to be fair, my workflow is rather linear. as it's just me i dont branch
[19:55] <PaulFertser> mervaka: interactive commit, rebase, branching, stashing changes, sending patches via email etc etc
[19:55] <Dagger2> and when you're developing stuff, you tend to branch a lot
[19:56] <NucWin> lol use git or we will assinate your pi :P
[19:56] <chaoshax> Indeed.
[19:56] <mervaka> laff
[19:56] <mythos> git is so awesome :>
[19:56] <chaoshax> I don't develop and <3 git.
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[19:56] <mervaka> my friend has a massive thing against git, he swears by hg
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[19:57] <muep> even when developing in a linear fashion, having a local copy of change history is nice
[19:57] <Midasx> I'm running my Pi from a blackberry charger 5B/750ma, would teh low ampage explain the keyboard dieing and the very unreliable and inconsistent network connection?
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[19:57] <mervaka> Midasx: probably
[19:58] <mythos> Midasx, do you use an usb-hub?
[19:58] <Midasx> mythos: No eitehr a USB keyboard + HDMI TV or just a ethernet connection (That I SSH to)
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[19:58] <Midasx> is 1000mA the recommended ampage?
[19:58] <mythos> ok, then maybe
[19:58] <Bennit> Hi!, it woarks!
[19:58] <mlepage> Midasx: I am using the same charger with my RPi, and yes I get keyboard issues (will try another keyboard tomorrow) even with a powered USB hub. No network issues though. Thought the BB charger should be powerful enough?
[19:58] <mervaka> Midasx: you mean current? :)
[19:59] <Bennit> -- online from my freshly arrived rbpi :)
[19:59] <Midasx> mervaka: Amps = Current?
[19:59] <Bennit> boxed it in an empty ferrero rocher box
[19:59] <mervaka> Midasx: not ampage :)
[19:59] <mervaka> just being a pedant, sorry
[19:59] <Midasx> AH my mistake
[19:59] <thrawed> ampage is a word
[20:00] <thrawed> amperage
[20:00] <Midasx> But yeah I am just powering it on with it connect to my switch and 1/10 times it connects fine and I can SSH into and work (For a while befoer I get disconnected), think it could be a power issue?
[20:00] <chaoshax> I guess most people are using issi right?>
[20:00] <Bennit> I downloaded the debian image from raspberrypi.org/downloads, however, is there a way to write that image to a sdhc card open ended?
[20:00] <Bennit> my rbpi now thinks the sdhc card is 2gb only
[20:00] <Midasx> Bennit: Do you mean so you can use more than 4GB of space?
[20:00] <Bennit> while it has 16gb in reality
[20:00] <thrawed> open ended?
[20:01] <PaulFertser> Bennit: just fdisk the card, recreate the second partition (keep the start sector the same)
[20:01] <PaulFertser> Bennit: and then use resize2fs
[20:01] <PaulFertser> Bennit: really easy
[20:01] * Bennit googles those commands
[20:01] <Midasx> Bennit: Yeah I had that problem I used cfdisk to delte and recreate that partition tehn resize2fs to finish it
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[20:02] <lrvick> I got my LCD working! http://dumpon.us/media/images/IMG_20120702_135843.jpg
[20:02] <yggdrasil> dont google the cmds it will shut dow ngoogle.
[20:02] <Midasx> Oh and if my Pi is plugged into the network should the three network lights be lit? Or is that only if it is properly connected and working?
[20:02] <Bennit> kwl :)
[20:03] <mlepage> The BB charger says output is 5V, 1.8A, isn't that enough for RPi?
[20:03] <thrawed> Midasx: ping google and see if they flash
[20:03] <PaulFertser> IrquiM: that's the usual hd44780, right? congrats :)
[20:03] <Bennit> last time I used fdisk was 4 years ago for a gentoo install :p
[20:03] <Midasx> mlepage: The one i'm using a 750mA
[20:04] <mlepage> Midasx: mine is the black one with folding blades, comes with PlayBook.
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[20:04] <Midasx> thrawed: Well i need to SSH into to try anything is theproblem xD I have a switch downstairs and a wallmounted TV upstairs so I can have either a monitor and keyboard or just a network connection
[20:05] <mlepage> Midasx: I'm thinking the issue might be my keyboard, since at work with the same charger, another keyboard worked fine.
[20:05] <thrawed> Midasx: I went with just a nework connection
[20:05] <Midasx> Ah
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[20:05] <mikey_w> HP is selling touchpad adapter cheap. A little over 5 volts at 2 amps.
[20:05] <mikey_w> Free shipping.
[20:06] <Midasx> So would an extra 250mA make much difference? The oen I was looking at was 100mA from maplins for ??15
[20:07] <j0nnymoe> Midasx, i got that one, it seem to power the pi fine
[20:07] <j0nnymoe> but my pi was faulty so will double check it tomorrow
[20:07] <mikey_w> 2 HP adapters are less than $10.00 US.
[20:07] <mikey_w> Nice form factor too.
[20:07] <thrawed> !w redhill
[20:07] <PiBot> thrawed: in Redhill, Surrey. Temp 57??F. Condition: Light rain, Humidity: 94%, Later 61??F - 57??F. Condition: Rain.
[20:08] <PaulFertser> I powered RPi from PC and it works just fine ;)
[20:09] <thrawed> Midasx: it depends, the pi will only ever draw 700mA max, but if you're close to pushing the adaptor to it's limit then it might start being sketchy
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[20:10] <PaulFertser> I'd say one should try a bigger capacitor for power supply
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[20:10] <Midasx> thrawed: I think im just going to buy a 40m ethernet cable tomorrow to save this pan lol
[20:10] <Midasx> *pain
[20:10] <thrawed> I'm using a 0.5m ethernet cable with my pi
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[20:11] <glen2> Anyone running Slackware in the RPi?
[20:12] <passstab> good question
[20:12] <lrvick> http://dumpon.us/371.jpg Who needs i2c? ^_^
[20:12] <KebabBob> What symptoms can I expect if I'm not feeding rpi enough power?
[20:13] <KebabBob> Will it just restart or is there other weirdness?
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[20:13] <Midasx> "HDMI not available", oh cock....
[20:14] <ReggieUK> mind your language please Midasx
[20:14] <Moonlit> oh male chicken?
[20:14] * IT_Sean points Midasx to the topic
[20:14] <Moonlit> also, hi
[20:14] <haltdef> I read the "oh cock" in james may's voice ????
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[20:14] <IT_Sean> haltdef: language.
[20:14] <Moonlit> it's never offensive in James May's voice
[20:14] <haltdef> woa
[20:14] <haltdef> lurkio
[20:14] <IT_Sean> haltdef: you know better.
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[20:14] <Midasx> ^It was intended to be said in James Mays voice but sorry shan#'t repeat
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, your soldering skills are improving ... ;-)
[20:15] <PaulFertser> Folks, do you really think the children can be made any worse by using some "foul" language?
[20:15] <PaulFertser> That's ridiculous.
[20:15] <mlepage> fowl language
[20:15] <haltdef> WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN
[20:16] <ReggieUK> yeah, if we wanted your opinion PaulFertser, we'd have asked for it
[20:16] <PaulFertser> War in Iraq that UK participates in can make the children worse.
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, but you should have through-holed the wires....
[20:16] <IT_Sean> PaulFertser: Those are the rules. Don't like it? The door be thar yonder.
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[20:16] <mikey_w> I don't like children.
[20:16] <thrawed> mikey_w: ditto
[20:16] <Midasx> Not getting involved in YRS then?
[20:16] <thrawed> children have sticky fingers
[20:16] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: considered it but i wanted it all neat from the top
[20:16] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: as ill be mounting this ina custom transparent acrylic case
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, as an excercise - remove the wires, solder on male header pins then use female to female jumper wires to connect it it... 7 out of 10 for effort though - well done ;-)
[20:16] <mikey_w> I don't like censorship either.
[20:17] <Midasx> Grr can't get keyboard to work >.> I must have too little power
[20:17] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: I actually tried that at first. header wont fit in the case.
[20:17] <thrawed> Midasx: latest firmware?
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> woa... I've just been phoned by someone from YRS..
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, ok...
[20:17] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon/lrvick what was the soldering like before it improved 0.o
[20:17] <Midasx> thrawed: Archlinux updated so I think so. Also it has worked before
[20:18] <mikey_w> Just a cold flow before it improved?
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, who knows, i'm just teasing :)
[20:18] <lrvick> lol. This is a quick and dirty rig, but it gets the job done. on a 10$ budget.
[20:18] <thrawed> Midasx: you should use rpi-update to update your blobs before you go out and buy new hardware
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[20:18] <Midasx> thrawed: Cool good to know :)
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, you involved with YRS?
[20:19] <chaoshax> You really should use headers :o
[20:19] <mlepage> rpi-update, is that what we do instead of apt-get update and apt-get upgrade? (using wheezy)
[20:19] <chaoshax> Cables can quite easily rip off the pads.
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[20:19] <lrvick> also, in my defense, these wires are super tiny and ive got like a 50w soldering iron.
[20:19] <Midasx> gordonDrogon: I was nearly hosting it at one point! I am a volunteer at bletchley park so we had met with YRS a few times discussing how we were going to host the main event
[20:19] <thrawed> mlepage: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
[20:19] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, ahh, I thought there might be an older shot with the soldering looking worse
[20:20] <ReggieUK> and wondering how that would work
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[20:20] <chaoshax> Do you use even use flux?
[20:20] <chaoshax> and tin the wires?
[20:20] <mlepage> thrawed: thanks,
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, Ah right. I met someone at Bletchley nearly a year ago which is how I got inerested in it...
[20:20] <lrvick> dnt have any of that handy either, or tiner
[20:20] <Midasx> gordonDrogon: sadly YRS were very immature and undemocratic combned withe h small capacity of BP they /we decided to not host it htis year
[20:20] <chaoshax> lrvick, That's why it looks so bad.
[20:20] <lrvick> literally all i had was a 50w soldering iron, some wires, and the lcd
[20:20] <Midasx> gordonDrogon: Well last year I was a young hacker and competed :)
[20:20] <chaoshax> You can tin the wires with solder.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, your not the chap in the lab of BBc
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, not that chap then :)
[20:21] <lrvick> I am a programmer. I get stuff hooked up, then move on to software ;-)
[20:21] <Midasx> gordonDrogon: No but I know Chris well
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, I didn't get his name... demod the doomsday machines!
[20:21] <chaoshax> Don't they hold free ham exams at bletchley?
[20:21] <chaoshax> I need to get mine.
[20:21] <Midasx> gordonDrogon: Yeah that is most likely Chris, he heads up our education and stuff
[20:22] <Midasx> chaoshax: Free ham?
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, I have my concerns about YRS, but I'm going to go along to the local one in Plymouth then see if I want to go to the weekend event.
[20:22] <Midasx> gordonDrogon: Will you be a mentor or an entrant?
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, if I lived closer to Bletchly, I'd probably move in ...
[20:22] <chaoshax> Midasx, Sorry I read too many american forums, I mean the amateur radio license.
[20:22] <Midasx> chaoshax: Oh right ham radio
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, er, mentor. bit old to enter myself...
[20:22] <thrawed> I want free ham
[20:22] <chaoshax> Yes
[20:22] <Midasx> chaoshax: Possibly there is a radio society here but i've never visited/talked to them
[20:23] <Midasx> thrawed: don't we all
[20:23] <Midasx> gordonDrogon: Oh cool it is a great project to get involved with
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, I have been a volunteer youth worker at several large (400+) young people under tent gatherings... I do not envy the orginisers of the young people in B'Ham...
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[20:24] <Midasx> *When I plug my keyboard into the pi the NumLock lights flash then the keyboard doesn't work, power? And could cutting the power to the Pi quite a lot damage teh Pi itself? Cheers
[20:24] <Midasx> gordonDrogon: yeah we were planning on catering for about 600 people
[20:24] <Midasx> gordonDrogon: We would need 4 huge marques and tents and a lot of man power
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, catering is the *least* of the problems... but as a young person yourself, you probably know that :)
[20:25] <Midasx> lol
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, for instance they haven't (yet) published an alcohol or drugs policy...
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[20:26] <Midasx> gordonDrogon: Well yes, the funny subject was "Shoudl we try and split teh girls and boys", our conclusion not worht the effort *Sorry my typing is useless
[20:26] <thrawed> why would you split them?
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> it took the whole of Devon youth service 3 months to arrange the events I went to... 2 nights in a tent in a big arena/fields...
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, you have to for child protection issues.
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, if they're not splitting them, then it's not going to be good.
[20:28] <Midasx> Yeah but they are over 16 or with their parents, and it isn't going to stop the 10 girls attending getting hit on by 240 boys
[20:28] <Midasx> *actually it was 25 girls to 225 boys if I remember correctly
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, you need youth workers. you need to stop that, or at least monitor & control it.
[20:28] <thrawed> why is it such a sausage fest?
[20:29] <Midasx> Oh yeah ofcourse
[20:29] <Midasx> thrawed: We have debated this many a time
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[20:29] <gordonDrogon> well I'll wait and see what happens in Plymouth this year. If I can make an input then I will.
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[20:30] <Midasx> The conclusions we come up with tend to be girls find the concept of becoming a "nerdy computer geek" way more damaging than gusy do. That combined with the different attitudes the genders have to problem solving
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[20:30] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, Hm. OH well, if nothing else, I can teach the boys how to cook :)
[20:30] <Midasx> Girls will sit back and try to plan it out and look at the situation as a whole where as guys will just hit every button till it works (Generalisations of course)
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> as long as you hit them in the right order...
[20:31] <Midasx> And the hit every button approach is more catered for in teh computing/hacking worl;d
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[20:32] <Midasx> Can't get teh keyboard working at all >.>
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> right. back to painting my wifes office... )-:
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> hit it with a hammer...
[20:32] <Moonlit> hey, nothing wrong with hitting every button until it does something
[20:33] <Midasx> gordonDrogon: What do you think it is, a Mac?! :P
[20:33] <Moonlit> especially on a Pi where it's so easy to un-break it
[20:33] <Moonlit> re-image SD card, it's back to normal, whee!
[20:33] <thrawed> try a powered hub
[20:33] <Midasx> Moonlit: So true, also will cuttign hte power damage the pi at all? (I don't care bout the SD card
[20:33] <Moonlit> reminds me of the olden days when you'd have to make a working copy of your OS boot floppy
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> Midasx: no
[20:33] <Moonlit> Midasx - nope
[20:33] <thrawed> Midasx: it might cause some corruption in the file system
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[20:34] <Midasx> thrawed: corruption i can deal with :)
[20:34] <Midasx> That is good newsd
[20:34] <thrawed> you should use shutdown now
[20:34] <Moonlit> tbh turning off a full PC won't damage it either, despite shutdown options in OSs
[20:34] <Moonlit> the only thing at risk is your data
[20:35] <Moonlit> so you generally shouldn't just cut the power, but it won't do any actual physical harm to the machine
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[20:36] <Moonlit> also, just finishing up watching the Linux Action Show review of the Pi
[20:36] <thrawed> Moonlit: I guess it depends whether it's a journaling file system or not
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[20:36] <Moonlit> I'm not sure I'm a big fan of saying "buy as many as you like" right now
[20:36] <Midasx> Ho hum networking and keyboard isn't working so I have no way to input at the moment :(
[20:37] <Moonlit> and why's everyone using these things as media centres? >_>
[20:37] <Walther> Moonlit: cheapest device available for the purpose
[20:37] <Moonlit> kinda takes away from the educational angle though, no?
[20:37] <Moonlit> and it's really the most appropriate device for it
[20:38] <Walther> Moonlit: it's not that people who want a Pi would want to use it as a media server, rather, there are a bunch of people who want a media server and found a way to get it cheap
[20:38] <Moonlit> aye
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[20:38] <Walther> ...so, I wouldn't say it defeats the purpose, some people just figured a new use for it :)
[20:38] <thrawed> Moonlit: because they are cheap
[20:38] <Moonlit> *and it's *not* really the most appropriate device for it, rather
[20:38] <Walther> like velcro, it was originally used in space programs
[20:39] <thrawed> I used to use an original xbox as a media center, and it was excellent, but it's old and can't handle HD, that's where the pi comes in
[20:39] <Midasx> Anyways I must dash guys, it's been a plasure talking to y'all :)
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[20:40] <Moonlit> I dunno, I don't wanna call anyone out for using Pis as media centres, it's absolutely up to anybody who wants one to figure out what they wanna do with it, I just wish it wasn't such a common use, there's much more cool stuff you could use 'em for
[20:40] <mbroadst> hey, I'm having a bit of trouble getting my RPi up and running for the first time. I downloaded the squeeze image and put it on my sd card and power the board (red pwr light comes on at least) and I get no video output via hdmi.. I'm wondering if its a problem with the monitor I'm trying to use or elsewhere and I'm used to the beagleboard having a serial console to troubleshoot these issues, but afaict it doesn't seem possible to get that kind of a co
[20:40] <mbroadst> with the RPi without messing with hardware?
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[20:40] <dmsuse> yeah thats true like a sex machine
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[20:41] <Walther> dmsuse: rule 34 on rpi, heh
[20:41] <mlepage> It's OK though to try the RPi as a media center, and also use it for other things. Experimentation is fun.
[20:41] <Walther> atm, I'm trying to use RPi as *home server*, not necessarily as a media server though
[20:41] <Walther> (i don't even have hdmi monitors/tv atm :P)
[20:42] <thrawed> Walther: me too
[20:42] <mlepage> yeah RPi should make a decent tiny web server
[20:42] <Moonlit> I guess I just can't help feeling like there are plenty of media playing devices which aren't capable of such hackery which are more appropriate for that, and with there being such limited supply of Pis at the moment that people wanting them for more unusual uses are being locked out
[20:42] <Walther> also, backups / ftp
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[20:43] <Moonlit> but again, I don't mean to say that people who want them for media centres shouldn't have them
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[20:43] <thrawed> the lovely thing is, having a super cheap device connected to your tv which is also connected to the rest of your home network
[20:43] <thrawed> without having to chuck $300 at it
[20:44] <mlepage> shouldn't production be ramping up to meet demand, in the next few months at least?
[20:44] <Walther> Ooh nice, someone has informed Hexxeh about the tasksel issue
[20:44] <Moonlit> mlepage - that'd be good
[20:44] <thrawed> mlepage: already done and done
[20:44] * Walther feels useful as he was part of finding that issue
[20:44] <thrawed> they are already chucking them out the factories at a high pace, it will only be a couple of months until they've caught up
[20:45] <mbroadst> any suggestions for how to figure out what's going on?
[20:45] <mlepage> If more are sold for media center use, it should still help to increase volume and drive down costs (maybe give funds to RPi foundation), provided production is sufficient.
[20:45] <thrawed> it would be a waste of money for them to ramp production up too high
[20:45] <Moonlit> mbroadst - what's your power source?
[20:45] <thrawed> mbroadst: nothing at all on the telly?
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[20:46] <mbroadst> Moonlit: that was another concern of mine, I'm using the charger for my kindle which I had read worked for a number of other users
[20:47] <Moonlit> hm, you should be getting something then I would've thought, do you have anything plugged into the USB ports?
[20:47] <mbroadst> thrawed: no, but I also can't get a ps3 to display on that tv with hdmi either. it only has a dvi input so I'm using an adapter, which I suspect could be a source of problems as well. Not exactly the ideal setup I'd say :)
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[20:47] <Moonlit> oh
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[20:47] <thrawed> mbroadst: does it do composite?
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[20:47] <mbroadst> I believe so yes
[20:47] <Moonlit> yeah, give composite a go if you can, you can at least see if the Pi's putting out a video signal
[20:47] <Moonlit> or booting, even
[20:48] <mbroadst> ah the RCA out?
[20:48] <Moonlit> yup
[20:48] <mlepage> Ensure you have video, power, and SD card inserted. Look at the LEDs.
[20:48] <mbroadst> right, okay that was my next step tonight. so you guys are saying the serial console isn't worth looking into?
[20:48] <mbroadst> looks like it needed some hardware work, increasing voltages etc
[20:49] <Moonlit> I wouldn't know, I don't have one yet, I'm making educated guesses
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[20:49] <Moonlit> I might consider doing the power regulation circuitry replacement when I do, though
[20:49] <Moonlit> which might help with potential power issues
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[20:50] <mbroadst> okay, well thanks for the suggestions guys, hopefully I can get this thing working later
[20:50] <thrawed> overvolting voids your warranty
[20:50] <Moonlit> pfft, who needs a warranty?
[20:50] <Moonlit> it's an experimental educational device, right? :P
[20:51] <thrawed> rma?
[20:51] <Moonlit> well, I'll check it works properly first, obviously
[20:51] <Walther> Okay folks, who knows which packages are included in "tasksel standard"?
[20:52] <Moonlit> also, I'm referring to replacing the linear power supply circuitry with a switched mode supply
[20:52] <Moonlit> which reduces wasted power consumption
[20:52] <thrawed> Walther: http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel
[20:52] <plugwash> Walther, I don't have a specific list but it comes down to a load of old unix crud afaict
[20:52] <Moonlit> which means less input current required for the stable running of the CPU
[20:52] * plugwash never bothers to install standard
[20:52] <Walther> The problem is, it breaks ssh
[20:52] <Walther> I'd like to install everything except ssh-server
[20:53] <Walther> s/ssh/sshd/
[20:53] <Moonlit> thrawed - http://hackaday.com/2012/06/30/raspberry-pi-power-regulator-transplant-reduces-power-consumption/
[20:54] <Moonlit> especially since I plan to run mine from battery power
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[20:54] <Moonlit> so reduced power consumption is a win
[20:54] <mlepage> Will power consumption go down when there is more hardware acceleration?
[20:55] <plugwash> Moonlit, yeah running the 3.3V rail off a seperate switcher is a win for power consumption
[20:55] <plugwash> mlepage, maybe a bit in some circumstances but I won't except it to be that significant overall
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[20:56] <joeka> question: when my screen goes black because there is no input, can I reactivate it from ssh? I'm using arch
[20:56] <thrawed> joeka: is it your tv going into standby mode?
[20:58] <joeka> thrawed, I don't think so, because when I just switch to the raspi it's already black, when the raspberry pi is just newly started it works
[20:58] <joeka> maybe
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[20:58] <joeka> I don'T know :D
[20:58] <lowsider> woooo
[20:58] <lowsider> finally got my wifi dongle working on my pi!
[20:59] <mlepage> lowsider: what brand? chipset? I'm looking to get one. cheap.
[20:59] <thrawed> mlepage: list on the wiki
[20:59] <mlepage> thrawed: OK thanks will check when I start looking to order.
[20:59] <thrawed> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Wifi_Adapters
[20:59] <lowsider> mlepage: like thawed said, but here's what i ordered. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000XQHWGG/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
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[21:00] <mlepage> cool, price is decent too.
[21:00] <lowsider> oh.. .actually .. mine isn't on the list yet.
[21:00] <thrawed> lowsider: add it then
[21:01] <lowsider> will do. I just need to make sure it works with the wpa2/personal stuff
[21:01] <lowsider> right now i've only connected it to my home network using wep
[21:01] <lowsider> <-- linux noob
[21:01] <thrawed> don't use wep
[21:02] <lowsider> thrawed: i know.. i know.. its just???. sooo??? easy
[21:02] <thrawed> what's not easy about wpa2?
[21:02] <mlepage> I am using a Cicero USB hub which isn't on the list, should I add it? Seems to work fine.
[21:02] <mlepage> That list isn't distro specific I assume?
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[21:03] <thrawed> I don't think I had to do anything extra to connect to my wpa2 hotspot
[21:03] <thrawed> mlepage: it just means someone got it working and that there's arm drivers floating around
[21:03] <lowsider> thrawed: actually.. i'm not sure why its on wep??? i'll actually switch that over tonight and then confirm that my wifi works on it.
[21:03] <thrawed> you should stick mac filtering on too
[21:04] <lowsider> thrawed: +1
[21:04] <thrawed> and then setup a seperate network for guests
[21:04] <lowsider> guests? meh.
[21:04] <lowsider> my guests have to bring their own wifi
[21:04] <lowsider> ;)
[21:04] <thrawed> lol
[21:04] * Moonlit brings his phone and fires up the wireless sharing option
[21:04] <Moonlit> booyah. :P
[21:05] <lowsider> haha
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[21:07] <lowsider> i'm pretty excited though.. finally got my logitechc270 webcam hooked up as well. now i just need to throw it all together and make a webcam for my dog
[21:07] <lowsider> that bastard keeps getting out of his cage and eating my advil
[21:07] <lowsider> (bah.. sorry.. forgot about the children.. I''ll keep it clean.)
[21:07] <lowsider> remember kids??? these are adults talking about big people problems
[21:07] <lowsider> ;)
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[21:08] <passstab> is that word unacceptable?
[21:08] <Moonlit> to me? no... to the channel? probably
[21:09] <Moonlit> the ops here seem super hot on "bad language2
[21:09] <Moonlit> *"
[21:09] <passstab> i was asking the ops
[21:09] <thrawed> there are no kids with pis yet
[21:10] <thrawed> especially kids on irc
[21:10] <Moonlit> I feel like I should make a sarcastic comment regarding the validity of my opinion
[21:10] <thrawed> it's all bbm or whatever
[21:10] <Moonlit> but... well, I suppose I just did
[21:10] <thrawed> how meta
[21:10] <passstab> lol good one
[21:10] <Moonlit> I know, right?
[21:10] <ReggieUK> Yes that word is unacceptable
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[21:11] <ReggieUK> on this channel
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[21:11] <thrawed> what if the dogs parents weren't married?
[21:11] <lowsider> he is a rescue...
[21:11] <mlepage> What if the dog was female?
[21:11] <Moonlit> if there's one thing I've learned about IRC channels with "kid-friendly" language rules, it's that context rarely makes it ok
[21:11] <ReggieUK> indeed
[21:12] <Moonlit> even though the words aren't offensive in the correct context
[21:12] <Moonlit> I made that mistake one, I mentioned that I really fancied a faggot sandwich
[21:12] <passstab> i wish this culture could acknowledge that more often
[21:12] <Moonlit> which is completely legitimate in the UK
[21:12] <passstab> o.O
[21:13] <Moonlit> {faggot = large meatballs made from offal}
[21:13] <thrawed> Moonlit: pork faggots?
[21:13] <lowsider> bwahahaha
[21:13] <Moonlit> indeed, thrawed
[21:13] <Meatballs> how rude
[21:13] <Moonlit> haha
[21:13] <passstab> e.g there should be ONE acceptable use of the r-word
[21:13] <chaoshax> bleh, my parents let me watch films with swearing in all the time.
[21:13] <thrawed> what r word?
[21:14] <chaoshax> They just said that you shouldn't say them.
[21:14] <Moonlit> I assume he means retard
[21:14] <andatche> there are lots of acceptable uses for lots of swear words, people who are offended by swearing are idiots tbh
[21:14] <passstab> either someone who is disabled, or someone who isn't
[21:14] <passstab> not both
[21:14] <passstab> but not neither either
[21:14] <thrawed> retard is the actual medical term in the states
[21:14] <chaoshax> Yes it's hijacked.
[21:14] <ReggieUK> we've always said, if you don't like the rules, you can leave the channel :)
[21:14] <ReggieUK> we don't mind if you're not here
[21:14] <passstab> not "mental r"
[21:14] <Moonlit> couldn't agree more, andatche, which is why I despise that rule on IRC, especially given IRC's free-flowing, anything-goes environment
[21:14] <chaoshax> Think most swear words are just hijacked normal words
[21:15] <andatche> Moonlit: indeed
[21:15] <Moonlit> but as ReggieUK said, the choice is either keep quiet or sod off
[21:15] <passstab> they just retired that term
[21:15] <thrawed> chaoshax: where else would they come from
[21:15] <chaoshax> thrawed, Invented?
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[21:15] <ReggieUK> again, not appropriate Moonlit
[21:15] <thrawed> chaoshax: coined
[21:15] <Moonlit> ...seriously?
[21:15] <ReggieUK> yup
[21:16] <mlepage> While I do not believe words corrupt children, there is such a thing as context, and in this channel, which may be frequented by children, and is desired to be kept clean, we should all be watching our language. That is the context.
[21:16] <thrawed> sod is grass/soil ain't it?
[21:16] <chaoshax> Is the word for a thing that holds up water acceptable?
[21:16] <Moonlit> ok, I understand banning four-letter words and such, but that's a little bit excessive in my opinion
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[21:16] <lowsider> can i get a banlist for swear words?
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[21:16] <Moonlit> that word I used isn't a "swear word"
[21:16] <lowsider> ;)
[21:16] <ReggieUK> dude, sort it out
[21:16] <passstab> i find it hard to believe that there are kids who are allowed on here but not allowed to see bad words
[21:16] <thrawed> excuse me, what was I kicked for
[21:16] <andatche> I find censorship far more offensive than swearing
[21:16] <ReggieUK> lets see, I say a word is inappropriate yet you decide to repeat it
[21:17] <Moonlit> thrawed - asking the definition of that word I used, apparently
[21:17] <ReggieUK> again, andatche, if you don't like it, leave
[21:17] <thrawed> for giving the DICTIONARY DEFINITION
[21:17] <Moonlit> despite it being about as offensive as candyfloss
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[21:17] <thrawed> ReggieUK: enlighten yourself, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sod
[21:17] <passstab> andatche, make an uncenored pi channel
[21:17] <mlepage> There should be more discussion of RPi and less trying to test the rules.
[21:17] <passstab> i'd join it
[21:17] <Moonlit> thrawed - I did not know that, thanks for enlightening me
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[21:17] * Moonlit enjoys learning things
[21:17] * thrawed was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[21:18] <Moonlit> ...
[21:18] <Moonlit> seriously, that's a legitimate, non-offensive thing
[21:18] <andatche> I have no interest in maintaining another channel, I just despair at the world today
[21:18] <Moonlit> it's turf
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[21:18] <ReggieUK> I know exactly what the word means and so does he, quoting me other meanings of the word doesn't change that fact
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[21:18] <ReggieUK> he's not going to school me on it's meaning
[21:19] <passstab> ReggieUK, everyone knows that
[21:19] <Moonlit> I don't think that was quite the point, he was essentially backing up my point about context
[21:19] <mlepage> Arguing with the mods is a sure way to fail the intelligence test.
[21:19] <ReggieUK> but you didn't say the word with that context
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[21:19] <Moonlit> no, I didn't, but I didn't realise the offensiveness bar was quite that low
[21:19] <lowsider> mlepage: yeah??? i also make a point not to argue with people who are carrying guns???
[21:19] <Moonlit> ridiculously low, in my opinion
[21:20] <ReggieUK> again, your opinion isn't valid in this case
[21:20] <ReggieUK> we make the rules
[21:20] <mlepage> Just imagine their are 8 year olds here.
[21:20] <ReggieUK> plain and simple
[21:20] <Fozzey_> anyone running opencv 2.4.1??
[21:20] <Thorn_> ohh whats the word?
[21:20] <andatche> that's how "communities" work, dontcha know ;)
[21:20] <Moonlit> ReggieUK - oh, I'm well aware of how IRC works and who's in charge, but that doesn't mean I can't find certain rules distasteful
[21:20] <passstab> the 8yos here are already being allowed on "the internet"
[21:20] <Moonlit> and, as long as I'm not flaunting them, I think that's valid
[21:21] <dlynes> Fozzey_, are you trying to do industrial apps on the pi?
[21:21] <Moonlit> passstab - not the same 8 year olds who inhabit XBOX Live, apparently
[21:21] <dlynes> Moonlit, I don't know about other 8 year olds, but when my daughter's 8, there's no way on god's green earth she's going to be playing xbox live
[21:21] <passstab> for all i know thrawed is one
[21:21] <Thorn_> wait
[21:22] <mlepage> My kids have internet, but I think I've convinced them if I find them doing anything other than watching kids videos and playing kids games, I will break their fingers. :-)
[21:22] <Thorn_> so sod is offensive in here?
[21:22] <Fozzey_> no just experimenting, license plate tracking and ocr
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[21:22] <passstab> Thorn_, really?
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[21:22] <dlynes> Fozzey_, ah, ok....was just curious..it'd be a cool application of a raspberry pi
[21:22] <Thorn_> that's a ridiculously low bar, it's retarded too
[21:23] <Fozzey_> yeah I think so
[21:23] <cjdavies> just got a 32GB Sandisk SDHC class 4 & trying to dd the Arch Linux image to it, dd seems to write the full 2GB but then hangs & never completes - any ideas?
[21:23] <dlynes> Fozzey_, can't get your hands on big enough quantity to make it feasible at the moment, but...
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[21:23] <Fozzey_> I've got 2, and three on the way
[21:23] <Moonlit> dlynes - if only all parents were as diligent as you
[21:24] <cjdavies> dd doesn't respond to 'kill -USR1' when it hangs either
[21:24] <dlynes> cjdavies, maybe you've got a buggy sd or mmc driver?
[21:24] <cjdavies> dlynes: driver? in what sense?
[21:24] <dlynes> cjdavies, you're using linux to do the dd
[21:24] <mlepage> dylnes: maybe try writing from another machine?
[21:24] <Fozzey_> it's 6.5 hours to compile. don't know if it's worth upgrading to 2.4.1 vs 2.3.1
[21:24] <cjdavies> yes
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[21:24] <dlynes> cjdavies, the driver for your particular mmc hardware and/or sd layer driver might be buggy
[21:25] <cjdavies> oh, 3rd time & it seems to have completed
[21:25] <cjdavies> even though I issued the same command as the first 2 times...
[21:25] <cjdavies> curious, I shall put it down to impatience/cosmic rays
[21:26] <dlynes> cjdavies, all the sd/mmc slots I've come across in laptops don't work worth a damn with the drivers on linux, but the external usb-based ssd/mmc device I've got with a Realtek chipset works just fine
[21:26] <cjdavies> dlynes: I'm in the same unfortunate boat, I don't have a 'normal' reader/writer so I first tried using my camera & then the reader/writer built into my monitor
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[21:27] <dlynes> cjdavies, yeah, I just went out and bought a new usb reader/writer for $25, instead
[21:27] <dlynes> cjdavies, i was in the same boat as you
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[21:29] <cjdavies> my monitor one seems to be working okay, just resizing the partitions, if not I'll bring home a basic external reader/writer from work
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[21:29] <cjdavies> must be loads kicking about a university Computer Science department :)
[21:29] <dlynes> cjdavies, make sure you get one capable of writing to sdhc (anything over 2GB up to 32GB is SDHC, and anything over 32GB is SDXC)
[21:30] <desolat> r/qui
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[21:30] <dlynes> cjdavies, no idea if raspberry pi supports sdxc or not, but it defintely supports sdhc
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[21:31] <plugwash> AIUI at the electrical level HC and XC are basically the same it's just that the default formatting is different
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[21:31] <plugwash> but for embedded linux systems one tends to blow away the default formatting anyway
[21:31] <dlynes> plugwash, default formatting? you mean filesystem? i.e. fat vs ntfs vs ext3 vs ...?
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[21:32] <plugwash> dlynes, yeah, standard formatting for SDXC is exfat IIRC
[21:33] <dlynes> plugwash, ah...I always just reformat to ext3fs
[21:33] <plugwash> but embedded linux systems use their own setup (which is a violation of the SD card standard, SD cards are supposed to have either no partition table at all or a table with just one partition)
[21:33] <cjdavies> am I right in thinking that the Arch Linux image doesn't have a swap partition?
[21:34] <plugwash> while every embedded linux system i've seen uses at least two partititions
[21:34] <cjdavies> so I can just extend the 2nd partition to the end of available space?
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[21:36] <dlynes> plugwash, really? I didn't realize they're not supposed to have partitions...i've been doing that all along for sd cards I use under linux
[21:37] <plugwash> dlynes, yeah and i've found out the hard way that while disk management in windows will see partitions after the first windows won't let you access them
[21:37] <plugwash> linux OTOH is happy to access all partitions on the card
[21:37] <Fozzey> cjdavies: arch doesn't have a swap in the default img
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[21:39] <joeka> do you guys use omxplayer?
[21:39] <yggdrasil> yes
[21:39] <joeka> that should work without X, right?
[21:39] <yggdrasil> it does yes
[21:39] <yggdrasil> gb
[21:39] <yggdrasil> uhm fb even
[21:40] <joeka> can I start it from ssh, even when I'm not logged in in a virtual console?
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[21:42] <cjdavies> wonder how long resize2fs will take on a 32GB card...
[21:42] <cjdavies> oh, about that long
[21:42] <Fozzey> resize not too bad but if you moved t=it you wouldbe there for days
[21:43] <cjdavies> well, suppose it's time to see if it boots now...
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> painting over.
[21:44] <cjbaird> shell script to show the system load on a Sparkfun 7seg display... http://dpaste.org/ppOsO/ .. (I have a pic, but imgur is choking on it..)
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[21:45] <gordonDrogon> Heh. I've been trying to make my own 7-segment display today in-between other stuff :)
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> one made out of 5mm LEDs, so some imagination will be required :)
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[21:46] <cjbaird> This one is cheating: it's got an atmega controlling the guts of it. :)
[21:46] <Walther> gordonDrogon: don't 7segments cost like 1eur each though? _??
[21:46] <Walther> :P *
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> Walther, probably, but I don't have any.
[21:46] <Walther> haha, sounds familiar
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> Walther, unless I find something with some in and disect it...
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[21:47] * IT_Sean always wanted to make a clock out of those really tall 7 segment displays
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[21:47] <Walther> (running headless for being too lazy to get a hdmi-> dvi)
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> I have a calculator display on my Mk14, but I'm not unsoldering that.
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[21:47] <solar_sea> i got a serial connection live to the pi, running uboot, hooray :)
[21:47] <IT_Sean> I saw a set of 12 inch tall 7 segs, but, was too aspensive
[21:47] <Walther> another interesting project would be nixie tubes
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> yea, I want nixies.
[21:47] <Walther> and no, i'm not calling that steampunk
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[21:47] <gordonDrogon> :)
[21:47] <cjbaird> what's used here: http://australianrobotics.com.au/products/7-segment-serial-display-blue
[21:48] <Walther> (just glue some geeeeears on it, and call it steeeeaaampunk...)
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[21:48] <cjbaird> Walther: noooooo, you muuustttt have a giiirrrlllll in a coorrssetttt.. :P
[21:48] <Walther> cjbaird: http://youtu.be/TFCuE5rHbPA
[21:49] <Walther> cjbaird: also, a girl in a corset wouldn't be bad ;)
[21:51] <cjbaird> Okay, so that's the 6th failed attempt to upload a 145kB file to imgur, and having it hang for several minutes at 90%... :/
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[21:51] <cjdavies> sweet, got me a working Pi :D
[21:51] <cjdavies> now what to do with it...
[21:51] <Walther> hmm... sad that ide cable has the empty header in the middle, otherwise it would be the perfect diy ribbon cable for gpio
[21:52] * Walther would love to see a Pi powered arcade pinball
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> Walther: Find a pin it doesn't matter in
[21:53] <cjdavies> is there any voltage regulation on the Pi or does it require regulated 5v?
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> Requires.
[21:53] <cehteh> yes yes :)
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> There is regulation, but the regulator has a max voltage of ~5.5V
[21:53] <cjdavies> righto
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> and it stops working at ~4.3
[21:54] <cjdavies> which is less than the delta of most rechargeable battery chemistries through a discharge cycle, so external regulation will be required
[21:54] <joeka> can you run omxplayer from ssh without X?
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[21:55] <joeka> has anyone tested that combination
[21:55] <cehteh> thr pi itself is relative tolerant, as SpeedEvil said .. but connected usb/ethernet gives up fairly earlier
[21:55] <Walther> cjdavies: now that was a lovely sentence :D so much technobabble yet so simple
[21:55] <pedro> is there a software package in squeeze which is only used on the raspberry pi ?
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[21:55] <Moonlit> nah, most common rechargable batteries are ~2.8-4.2v, nominal 3.7v, though you wouldn't want to discharge it that far
[21:55] <cjdavies> Walther: I aim to please :)
[21:55] <Moonlit> but you can boost that up to 5v just fine with the correct circuitry
[21:56] * cjdavies os thinking of a pair of 18650 cells, regulated
[21:56] <cjdavies> s/os/is/
[21:56] <Moonlit> series or parallel?
[21:56] <cjdavies> whichever ends up more efficient
[21:56] <cehteh> how much money do you want to spend?
[21:57] <cjdavies> not much :P
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[21:57] <cehteh> the pi works with my bicycle reecharge (1 lipo) .. but i didnt tested with perepheials
[21:57] <cjdavies> 18650 are dirt cheap from HK
[21:57] <Moonlit> well, stacking 18650s in series isn't necessarily the safest option without a protection circuit
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[21:57] <Moonlit> but sticking two protected 18650s together in parallel with a 5v boost circuit should give some pretty decent runtime
[21:58] <Moonlit> probably easier to buy one of those USB battery packs though
[21:58] <Moonlit> it'll do all that stuff for you, plus it's already in a neat case
[21:58] <cjdavies> maybe yes, possibly cheaper too
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[21:58] <cjdavies> not as fun though!
[21:58] <cehteh> cheaps as in you dotn fry your pi at least
[21:58] <dirty_d> Moonlit, your nick looks familiar
[21:59] <Walther> ...setting up console-data, which layout is the correct one for Apple aluminum slim kb?
[21:59] <Moonlit> I suppose what you could do is buy a cheap or used battery pack off ebay or something, take the old battery out and stick an 18650 battery holder on it
[21:59] <Moonlit> dirty_d - #hak5?
[21:59] <Walther> oh, found it
[21:59] <Moonlit> long, long time ago :P
[21:59] <dirty_d> Moonlit, yes thats it
[21:59] <Moonlit> been a while, eh?
[21:59] <dirty_d> wierd, i thought i saw someone else that i remember from there
[22:00] <dirty_d> melodic?
[22:00] <Moonlit> I had to think for a sec there about where I knew you from, lol
[22:00] <passstab> anyone here tried http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php ?
[22:00] <Moonlit> I haven't heard from melodic in years
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[22:01] <dirty_d> is the show still going?
[22:01] <Moonlit> it is, though many of the original fans have moved on, me included
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[22:01] <cjdavies> anybody tried something like this? http://www.dealextreme.com/p/rechargeable-5v-3200mah-portable-emergency-battery-w-flashlight-usb-micro-usb-black-72616?item=20
[22:01] <dirty_d> yea
[22:01] <Moonlit> it got picked up by Rev3 and stuff, IRC got pretty rough, everything went to hell
[22:01] <cjdavies> output only rated for 0.6A
[22:02] <Walther> yeah, probably not enough
[22:02] <booyaa> hello!
[22:02] <Walther> one mobile charger I have, rated 1A, is still not enough
[22:02] <Moonlit> touch and go, I would've thought, cjdavies
[22:02] <Moonlit> I'd suggest a 1A or 2A battery pack
[22:02] <cjdavies> ah, there are plenty others rated for >1A
[22:02] <cjdavies> what's the theoretical max drain of a Pi (assuming peripherals drawing the max they can?)
[22:03] <IT_Sean> The pi cannot draw more than 700mA or it trips the polyfuse
[22:03] <IT_Sean> or there abouts
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[22:03] <Walther> ...this makes me to wonder - would it be possible to build a UPS from batteries for the Pi?
[22:03] <cjdavies> thanks IT_Sean
[22:04] <Moonlit> sure, Walther, no reason why not
[22:04] <booyaa> damn just found out my phono cable isn't phono 2 phono.
[22:04] <Walther> the next question would be how :D
[22:04] * booyaa has ASSumed
[22:04] <Walther> booyaa: mind your language, check /t
[22:04] <booyaa> let's hope i can get ssh started or i won't be firing the rpi or getting in
[22:04] * cjdavies should break out the multimeter & measure how much power his Pi actually uses
[22:04] <booyaa> Walther: noted
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[22:05] <booyaa> i've heard you can mount the sd card in windows and tweak the bootc file to enable sshd?
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[22:06] <Walther> booyaa: yep, there's a file you can rename to do that
[22:07] <Walther> booyaa: as in, there's no need for "editing a file" at all :)
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[22:08] <cjdavies> any reason that my monitor has dimmed right down after rebooting my pi?
[22:08] <chaoshax> I think it really should be enabled by default.
[22:09] <cjdavies> now randomly got bright again...
[22:09] <booyaa> chaoshax: would be nie if that happen with the next image
[22:09] <chaoshax> It's not a serious issue with nat.
[22:09] <booyaa> okay this is definitely working :D
[22:09] <booyaa> i can actually see the files
[22:09] <chaoshax> What's working?
[22:09] * booyaa dd'd the wrong disk image :D
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[22:10] <chaoshax> k
[22:10] <KungPhoo> I connected the pi to an lan cable. But it won't apear in my network list (router firmware)+
[22:11] <cehteh> what leds are lit?
[22:11] <KungPhoo> ah, reboot helped
[22:11] <chod> can you ping it
[22:13] <KungPhoo> ok. now ssh port 22 is refused. How would I start uploading and testing anything?
[22:13] <KungPhoo> (and get German keyboard layout)
[22:13] <chaoshax> Need to enable ssh.
[22:14] <KungPhoo> port 22 connection refuse
[22:14] <booyaa> it's still touch and go, but the patient is blinking like a christmas tree
[22:14] <booyaa> now how to guess what the ip address will be...
[22:14] * booyaa has no video atm
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[22:14] <SpeedEvil> booyaa: You only have 4 billion or so choices.
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> Just nmap it.
[22:14] <cehteh> arp
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[22:15] <cehteh> or nmap
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[22:15] <chaoshax> KungPhoo, SSH is not enabled
[22:15] <dmsuse> or just check with what ever provided it the ip
[22:15] <KungPhoo> is ftp?
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[22:15] <Walther> mount: warning: /media/320GB seems to be mounted read-only.
[22:15] <chaoshax> KungPhoo, Doubt it.
[22:15] <booyaa> SpeedEvil and cehteh : not got nmap just run arp?
[22:15] <Walther> ...although I added in fstab "defaults,rw"
[22:15] <cehteh> arp -n
[22:16] <cehteh> may or may not work :)
[22:16] <cehteh> cant you ask your dhcp server which ip it got?
[22:17] <Walther> walther@100mg:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda2 -o rw
[22:17] <Walther> mount: warning: /media/320GB seems to be mounted read-only.
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[22:17] <cehteh> Walther: -o remount,rw
[22:17] <chaoshax> Use flipping nmap
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[22:17] <Walther> cehteh: i umounted it first
[22:17] <cehteh> mtab not updated?
[22:17] <booyaa> cehteh: i'm using a patch to my mac
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[22:18] <booyaa> i read that rpi is auto sensing so doesn't need a xover
[22:18] <cehteh> booyaa: yes
[22:18] <Walther> hmm. What is the fsck command for ntfs partitions?
[22:18] <cjdavies> pretty much all electronics made in the last decade are auto sensing :)
[22:18] <cehteh> but does your mac have a dhcp server?
[22:19] <cehteh> is there a fsck for ntfs? .. i thought only windows can do that
[22:19] <KungPhoo> does it have an SMB client?
[22:19] <chaoshax> KungPhoo, You talking about the pi?
[22:19] <chaoshax> yes it does.
[22:19] <KungPhoo> yes. Ubuntu
[22:19] <chaoshax> install samba.
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[22:20] <booyaa> i'll just go plug it into the router, it'll be quicker at laest i'll see it's ip address
[22:20] <cehteh> client he asked ...
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[22:25] <Ollzer> no one who has installed lirc with arons patch?
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[22:25] <cjdavies> irc'ing through my Pi just because I can :)
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[22:26] <markbook> cjdavies: that is the only reason to do anything with a Pi ;-)
[22:27] <cjdavies> markbook: *exactly* :D
[22:28] <booyaa> WOOOOHOO!
[22:28] <booyaa> :D
[22:28] <booyaa> brb..
[22:30] <booyaa> :D
[22:31] <booyaa> hello from my rpi! just ssh'd to rpi, then ssh'd to my shell account and reattached a screen sesh!
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[22:31] <chaoshax> Screen?
[22:31] <cjdavies> booyaa: that's exactly what I just did :)
[22:31] <chaoshax> Why not tmux
[22:31] <cjdavies> because we're oldschool
[22:32] <booyaa> chaoshax: i like tmux, slowly switching over
[22:32] <cjdavies> I'm too used to screen to bother learning tmux really...
[22:32] <chaoshax> Otherwise known as noobs ;)
[22:32] <chaoshax> It's really simple.
[22:32] <booyaa> it's better suited if you're coding coz of it's split screens
[22:32] <Vib3> hi
[22:32] <cjdavies> I've been using screen for ~5 years & am institutionalised
[22:32] <booyaa> l Vib3!
[22:32] <Vib3> networking stopped working again
[22:32] <Vib3> now got better debug
[22:32] <chaoshax> I bet you all use bash as well
[22:33] <Vib3> it seems to be known issue
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[22:33] <booyaa> Vib3: you the bloke with 10 fpga hanging off a usb hub?
[22:33] <booyaa> chaoshax: are you a zsh hipster ;)
[22:33] <Vib3> yea
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> I stopped using screen when I could put 2 xterms side by side ..
[22:33] <Vib3> smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: kevent 0 may have been dropped
[22:33] <gPIo> Someone pressed my button!
[22:33] <Vib3> thats the line
[22:33] <chaoshax> booyaa, Nope I use bash as well :0
[22:33] <andatche> chaoshax: on the other hand, perhaps we use bash and screen because we have decades of experience with it and don't like change :P
[22:33] <booyaa> ah :P
[22:33] <Vib3> fixed by -> ifup eth0
[22:33] <chaoshax> But I am in the process of switching.
[22:34] <NucWin> ^^^ hello from my pi's gpio port
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[22:34] <chaoshax> Right now actually :)
[22:34] <booyaa> Vib3: why do you need 10 fgpa? i have to admit my knowledge of them is sketchy
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[22:34] <booyaa> according to wikipedia they're programmable chips?
[22:34] <booyaa> bit like an eeprom of ye olde day computers?
[22:35] <Vib3> booyaa: I accidentally said 10, I have just 7 atm :)
[22:35] <Vib3> for making bitcoins :p
[22:35] <booyaa> ah ha!
[22:35] <Vib3> thats their purpose
[22:35] <Mike632t> Running XFCE and connected via xchat (I hope) no swap partition 208MB RAM used
[22:35] <booyaa> cfrikey i thought it was al about the GPUs so we've moved onto fpgas for bitcoin mining?
[22:36] <Vib3> yea
[22:36] <Vib3> they not taking so much power
[22:36] <Vib3> but soon coming ASIC
[22:36] <Vib3> OMG
[22:37] <Da|Mummy> im not sure theyre doing too good of a job with this whole 1 pi per person, i just got my 3rd one, and only reason i dont have 4 is because i decided not to change CC info on another order
[22:37] <Vib3> "Have you run rpi-update to ensure you have the latest firmware which includes SD card fixes?" does he mean updating with apt-get or?
[22:37] <cjdavies> anybody tried a Pi with a pair of video glasses yet?
[22:37] <chaoshax> Da|Mummy, lol
[22:38] <chaoshax> cjdavies, No reason why it wouldn't work.
[22:38] <KungPhoo> hm. Where can I get the libGLEX.so file from to link against it?
[22:38] <chaoshax> But I advice not to use video glasses as they are not very sharp.
[22:38] <booyaa> cjdavies: you can't wait for project glass eh? ;)
[22:39] <cjdavies> booyaa: I've always loved the idea of constantly having a tty in one corner of my vision
[22:40] <cjdavies> I'm not bothered about project glass AR, I just want to be atteched to my screen session wherever I am :)
[22:40] <Vib3> ohh he meant Hexxeh rpi-update
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[22:40] <Vib3> my rpi is not up2date, so I update firmware with it
[22:40] <Vib3> should fix my issue
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[22:41] <Vib3> maybe I should first take backup from sd-card :p
[22:41] <KungPhoo> oh no. Does the Pi not support OpenGL|ES 1.1?
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[22:42] <cjdavies> lol, I've just remembered I actually have a tub of raspberry yoghurt in the fridge
[22:42] <booyaa> actually guys i've just completed the quickstart guide
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[22:42] <booyaa> asides changing the pi default password anythign else needs doing? i thought about doing sudo apt-get update followed by upgrade
[22:43] <cjdavies> IC3 runs quite warm
[22:43] <Fozzey> anybody used the liluput usb lcd touchscreen yet?
[22:44] <cjdavies> booyaa: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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[22:44] <booyaa> Vib3: have you got a write up of your rig? i would be very interested to read it :D
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[22:44] <joeka> halp
[22:45] <booyaa> oh well i had hoped on getting some sleep tonight
[22:45] <booyaa> now that i've got this working i prolly won't be
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[22:46] <passstab> can someone please verify that i'm doing well on http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions#Available_Distributions
[22:46] <passstab> ?
[22:46] <booyaa> do i still need to run rpi-update?
[22:46] <booyaa> passstab: what do you need?
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[22:47] <booyaa> have you added to the wiki?
[22:47] <passstab> yea
[22:47] <passstab> i was just adding the two dists at the end
[22:47] <Vib3> booyaa: sry no :/ I could do it when I have more time
[22:48] <cjdavies> so what is this rpi-update thing? just a software to flash the firmware?
[22:48] <Vib3> my main pc psu died :F
[22:48] <chaoshax> And kernel.
[22:48] <booyaa> Vib3: i'll google for now :D
[22:48] <cjdavies> is this a debian only thing?
[22:49] <joeka> I can't get omxplayer to work and it doesn't really give much output
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[22:49] <chaoshax> joeka, What memory split do you have?
[22:49] <joeka> default
[22:50] <chaoshax> Raspbian?
[22:50] <chaoshax> Or normal default image?
[22:50] <joeka> arch
[22:50] <cjdavies> so does rpi-update work on arch?
[22:50] <cjdavies> don't want to brick my pi...
[22:50] <chaoshax> I don't know the split on that, check you have at least 64mb free
[22:50] <chaoshax> cjdavies, It can't brick it.
[22:50] <cjdavies> good to know :)
[22:51] <chaoshax> For the gpu
[22:51] <joeka> mh
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[22:51] <joeka> chaoshax, what would it do if it hasn'T enough memory?
[22:52] <joeka> I got sound
[22:52] <chaoshax> joeka, crash
[22:52] <joeka> just no image
[22:52] <chaoshax> Which is probably why...
[22:52] <chaoshax> Or not display image I imagine
[22:52] <chaoshax> Change the split.
[22:52] <joeka> what would you suggest?
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[22:53] <chaoshax> Depends what you are doing.
[22:53] <chaoshax> If you are running X then you might want half half.
[22:53] <chaoshax> But if you are just using omxplayer then having 64mb for gpu is fine
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[22:53] <joeka> and omxplayers needs much ram?
[22:54] <cjdavies> if I'm only ever going to use my Pi from tty, can I reduce the GPU RAM quite substantially?
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[22:54] <chaoshax> joeka, not particularly.
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[22:54] <booyaa> mmm rpi-update appears to be missing from the debian image
[22:54] <booyaa> is this deprecated already?
[22:54] <chaoshax> Was it in the old ones?
[22:55] <booyaa> ah you gotta download it
[22:55] <Fozzey> booya : it'sin the raspian images
[22:55] <chaoshax> I only remember it being in rasbian
[22:55] <cjdavies> booyaa: github here https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
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[22:55] <Fozzey> not in the default debian img
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[22:56] <passstab> booyaa, those images are from before rpi-update iirc
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[22:58] <joeka> chaoshax, memory_split is not set at all
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[22:58] <joeka> in my config
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[22:59] <booyaa> cheers guys
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[22:59] <chaoshax> joeka, in your configtxt?
[22:59] <joeka> yes
[22:59] <chaoshax> It's not usually.
[22:59] <chaoshax> You have to add it yourself.
[23:01] <chaoshax> And i don't think you use config.txt to change memory split
[23:01] <chaoshax> You change start.elf
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[23:01] <chaoshax> sudo cp /boot/arm128_start.elf /boot/start.elf
[23:02] <gPIo> Someone pressed my button!
[23:02] <joeka> yes
[23:02] <joeka> I just read that
[23:02] <chaoshax> gPIo, now get it do something like post when you flush the toilet.
[23:03] <chaoshax> And posting the weight of your excrement.
[23:03] <NucWin> lol
[23:03] <NucWin> !flash
[23:03] <joeka> chaoshax so I do this to get more graphic memory, right?
[23:03] <chaoshax> Yes
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[23:03] <NucWin> i have a switch that could be mounted to a toilet but no way of measuring the displaced water
[23:04] <joeka> chaoshax, thank you
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[23:05] <Walther> Is there a way I could perform a filesystem check on ntfs partition on Pi?
[23:05] <cehteh> build qemu, install windows :)
[23:05] <cehteh> (really i dont know)
[23:06] <cehteh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS-3G
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[23:06] <Walther> okay... perhaps I should BU the drive and reformat to ext4
[23:06] <cehteh> no fsck mentioned
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[23:06] <Walther> safer with the pi, as I expect to get some "improper shutdowns" :P
[23:06] <cehteh> yes
[23:07] <cehteh> ntfs on linux is pita
[23:07] <Walther> mmhmm
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[23:07] <KungPhoo> can I apt-get libGLES_CM?
[23:07] <Walther> the drive used to be my portable drive, so it had to be compatible..
[23:07] <Walther> and fat for 320GB would've just been silly
[23:07] <cehteh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntfsprogs
[23:07] <cehteh> ext4 is just fine
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[23:08] <cehteh> i also experimenting with btrfs, but dont really recommend it yet
[23:08] <cehteh> UDF should work too, but the linux implementation is a bit crappy as well
[23:08] <chaoshax> I think he meant that he is using windows for is portable drive.
[23:08] <chaoshax> for his*
[23:08] <chaoshax> Wouldn't fat32 be better?
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[23:09] <Walther> chaoshax: no, i'm not using windows for my portable drive, the drive just had to be compatible back then - as I used it really as a *portable* drive
[23:09] <Walther> now the drive is enclosed in an old cd drive with the Pi :P
[23:10] <NucWin> ummm irc -> pi -> morse code led
[23:10] <chaoshax> OK
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[23:11] <cehteh> Walther: then ext4 is likely the fs of choice (or btrfs if you like experiments)
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[23:12] <Mike632t> <NucWin> I doubt may people could read morse that fast !
[23:12] <booyaa> heh man i'm updating left right and cetnre here :D
[23:12] <chaoshax> Who even knows morse anymore?
[23:12] <booyaa> ... --- ...
[23:12] <NucWin> no one but that doesnt matter
[23:12] <chaoshax> SOS?
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[23:12] <booyaa> that or OSO
[23:12] <booyaa> hopefully someone would work out that i need halp
[23:12] <NucWin> nor does the fact it will have to be so fast no one could read it
[23:13] <joeka> chaoshax, moving images! it's magic!
[23:13] <chaoshax> I hope that's legal content you are watching.
[23:13] <booyaa> i'm totally imaging this sd card when these updats are finished
[23:13] <chaoshax> :)
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[23:14] <chaoshax> Omxplayer is pretty damn smooth.
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[23:14] <GabrialDestruir> So came across the weirdest hotel security system today... apparently they don't make you agree to a ToS until they get suspicious activity from your computer xD
[23:14] <chaoshax> wtf
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> heh
[23:15] <chaoshax> What's suspicious activity?
[23:15] <chaoshax> Connecting to a website?
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[23:15] <NucWin> wget http://*
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> wget -r
[23:15] <GabrialDestruir> nmap on the network? xD
[23:15] <cehteh> tried git? :)
[23:16] <cjdavies> I was approached by a guy who was trying to secure venture capital to develop an application that would essentially let you mass email *@*.*
[23:16] <joeka> chaoshax, big buck bunny :D
[23:16] <chaoshax> How would you even detect suspicious activity.
[23:16] <joeka> my standard test movie
[23:16] <GabrialDestruir> Firewalls and such I imagine.
[23:16] <chaoshax> I guess it's anything beside http
[23:16] <joeka> omxplayer makes funny noises when I pause ^^
[23:16] <chaoshax> Yeah I noticed that as well
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[23:18] <GabrialDestruir> But yea last night I nmapped the network to see what's there, this afternoon I go to log in and was forcced to agree to an acceptable use agreement to get access.
[23:18] <booyaa> i would like to point out that i have so far only spent ??8 and that's only because i couldn't find any spare sd cards
[23:18] * booyaa is still cheaper than the rpi in terms of peripherals
[23:18] <chaoshax> So where did you get your pi for free?
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[23:20] <joeka> does the raspi get to hot to but it in a little cardboard box while running
[23:20] <joeka> ?
[23:20] <joeka> I have no case yet and it gets to dusty where I want to put it
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[23:20] <Mike632t> anyone got the patience to help me get a process to run automatically (simh) at boot using the second virtual console for i/o..?
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[23:21] <RITRedbeard> it's weird, there are other stick/small ARM computers than MK802 and Pi
[23:22] <GabrialDestruir> They're starting to flood the market I imagine, what with "Ultra Portable" PCs being all the rage.
[23:23] <RITRedbeard> they've been there for awhile I think, as boxes
[23:23] <markbook> GabrialDestruir: You mean "cell phones"? :-)
[23:23] <plugwash> There are loads of little arm computers but until recently the price of entry has been high and the bang for your buck low
[23:23] <RITRedbeard> but here is a Cortex A5 based/Mali 400 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-android-4-0-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-usb-micro-usb-black-4gb-141171
[23:23] <markbook> they're getting smaller. Manufacturers are learning that "inexpensive" is a feature.
[23:23] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[23:24] <GabrialDestruir> Took them long enough.
[23:24] <markbook> yeah
[23:24] <markbook> no margin
[23:24] <markbook> but there's a market.
[23:24] <GabrialDestruir> Usually though "inexpensive" is considered "piece f crap" I think.
[23:24] <plugwash> Though I wonder if some of the higher end arm boards will benefit from the publicity generated from the Pi
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[23:24] <markbook> and a big one once folks like us figure out how to monitor $everything
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[23:24] <plugwash> when people get a Pi, realise it's inadequate but still want something small and fairly low power
[23:25] <Vib3> now my rpi is up2date
[23:25] <markbook> GabrialDestruir: they'd like you to think so. They'd like you to think anything less than a 500$US octocore processor isn't worth spit
[23:25] <Vib3> but dmesg says still -> "sshd (817): /proc/817/oom_adj is deprecated, please use /proc/817/oom_score_adj instead."
[23:25] <RITRedbeard> most of em are set top boxes but most are very tiny
[23:26] <RITRedbeard> I'm interested in ARM and smaller/embedded in general, I wish there was a stick computer that was FSF endorsable.
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[23:26] <chaoshax> Those discovery boards are interesting.
[23:26] <plugwash> still in terms of bang per bug I think pretty much nothing beats an i5 on a cheap mobo
[23:27] <markbook> now a pi has practical limits, but there's still lots you can do with it once people start thinking about it. And there's room for small boxes with different levels of power. I mean, 5-8 years ago a pi-power level machine would be top of the line.
[23:27] <chaoshax> I was thinking about picking them up, they are ?9 on farnell
[23:27] <Vib3> n900 is nice :p it has kb and screen also :p
[23:27] <markbook> RITRedBeard: it will come,
[23:27] <Mike632t> <plugwash>Given the price point I don't think it does so badly - the Pi is slow but I can try out stuff that I might not want to so with my PC
[23:27] <GabrialDestruir> True.
[23:27] <markbook> in the mean time people with less stringent needs will get something working.
[23:27] <chaoshax> It's a good little server
[23:28] <Vib3> yeap
[23:28] <chaoshax> Great for hosting a small blog.
[23:28] <Vib3> not designed as desktop pc
[23:28] <Vib3> as I know :p
[23:28] <GabrialDestruir> But that leads to the problem in advancement though too. The Pi is a great little device and I imagine it'll work great for a lot of things.
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[23:28] <RITRedbeard> like Ingenic jz4760 based.
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[23:28] <markbook> A pi is a real computer for $35 (plus SD card). We'll learn what needs to be added for different tasks.
[23:28] <RITRedbeard> It's totally FSF endorsable
[23:28] <plugwash> Mike632t, what makes the Pi interesting is it's low cost of entry, it's not a whole lot of power but often you don't need a whole lot of power, bang per buck is worse than an i5 but better than most other arm boards afaict
[23:29] * markbook doesn't really care about FSF, but others do.
[23:29] <GabrialDestruir> But because of it's low price point and what not it's viewed as inefficient for anything by a lot of people.
[23:29] <markbook> actually, the *endoresement* I don't care about. The practical result of the endorseable box is in fact a Good Thing(tm)
[23:29] <RITRedbeard> Well, today I got the conspiracy creeps. It's a long story but FSF endorsable would be nice.
[23:29] <ReggieUK> I guess it depends what you call low power
[23:30] <plugwash> heh what I consider low power depends on whether I have to run the thing of batteries or not
[23:30] <plugwash> *off
[23:30] <ReggieUK> :D
[23:30] <RITRedbeard> You have to or you can? :)
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[23:31] <RITRedbeard> I plan on running my A10/MK802 off batteries... yes, even if that means 5V @ 2A load is a true statement for draw!
[23:31] <markbook> Well running one off of USB supplied power is certainly a step better than a 450W switchable power supply.
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[23:31] <plugwash> yeah, the Pi, beagleboard etc are in the range where running it off batteries long term is annoying but not insanes
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[23:32] <RITRedbeard> I wish the Rasberry Pi didn't have such a heat/power problem... what process is that broadcom chip made on?
[23:32] <RITRedbeard> 90nm process?
[23:32] <GabrialDestruir> Yes but the question I imagine, is can we get all computers down to using you know, USB supplied power vs some 450W thing
[23:32] * plugwash thinks of the pair of 110AH batteries he has sitting in a field powering a beaglboard XM and some mobile broadband gear
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[23:32] <markbook> again, it's a step in the right direction, a bunch of compromises that no commercial company would have tried
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[23:33] <GabrialDestruir> That's because a commercial company is focused on how to make the most money...
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[23:34] <RITRedbeard> compromises in the same sense of endorsements... or are the same, in my book.
[23:34] <markbook> and they do it by examining existing percieved markets. Pis and small computers go after a non-existent market with 0 margin.
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[23:34] <RITRedbeard> I don't think Eben had enough juice in the Chinese market.
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[23:34] <GabrialDestruir> If they can build an i7 or w/e for 20-100 bucks and charge 150+ they make a huge profit
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[23:35] <markbook> Till the next guy charges 120, and the next 100, and the next 98.....
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[23:35] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, but some random guy charging 120 or 100 isn't going to get a lot of pull if they don't have a brand behind them...
[23:35] <markbook> once the market is identified, it will be commoditized quickly. It's already happening. The APC vs trimslice vs...
[23:35] <NucWin> oooh the samsung ram used on my farnell board is good for 1066
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[23:37] <GabrialDestruir> If you could go pick up an 8 core off brand for like 50 bucks, would you really think it'll be on par with Intels 150 CPU even if all the specs are the same?
[23:39] <markbook> maybe not "on par" but is it "good enough"?
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[23:40] <RITRedbeard> obviously it's a different niche no matter what your reasons for being here or in that niche are :)
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[23:40] <KungPhoo> -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp
[23:40] <KungPhoo> is that OK?
[23:40] <KungPhoo> I get "illegal instruction"
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[23:41] <booyaa> right thats me done for the night ciao guys
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[23:41] <RITRedbeard> I say that full well after manually re-organizing something on the order of 1.5 TB of data... ugh
[23:41] <RITRedbeard> Night.
[23:43] <NucWin> Ummm what to make my gpio pins do next
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[23:44] <ReggieUK> back to that 8 core off brand thing, didn't amd used to be that brand? or via?
[23:45] <RITRedbeard> 8 core off brand?
[23:45] <ReggieUK> <+GabrialDestruir> If you could go pick up an 8 core off brand for like 50 bucks, would you really think it'll be on par with Intels 150 CPU even if all the specs are the same?
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[23:45] <solutionssquad> Helloooo all!
[23:45] <RITRedbeard> Yeah.
[23:45] <RITRedbeard> AMD and Citrix
[23:45] <RITRedbeard> Or was it spelled with a y?
[23:46] <ReggieUK> so there's always been a market for that kind of chip/device
[23:46] <RITRedbeard> Bit before my time, well, my computing time.
[23:46] <RITRedbeard> It was SNES and Sega Genesis at that point :)
[23:46] <ReggieUK> but the technology world has been on a mission to sell us the latest and greatest at every opportunity
[23:46] <solutionssquad> -->Anyone here heard of Xibo?
[23:46] <ReggieUK> whether we need/want it or not
[23:46] <RITRedbeard> I think, economically, this will be Chinese industrial downfall.
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[23:47] <RITRedbeard> They're producing so much low quality stuff in massive numbers (just take a look at dealextreme or alibaba or whatever)
[23:47] <RITRedbeard> once they have a functional middle class
[23:47] <ReggieUK> that and their artifical massaging of interest rates etc. to keep their currency low
[23:48] <ReggieUK> I even wonder whether their gov supplements their shipping costs
[23:48] <RITRedbeard> I mean while we were waiting for the Pi to be released I said I would take a "Pepsi Challenge" and try to do all my tasks on the Pi.
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[23:48] <RITRedbeard> I think something like that while possible is very difficult, especially if you live in linux land.
[23:48] <RITRedbeard> Where you are better off compiling something than nabbing binaries.
[23:49] <markbook> RITRedbeard: only until the Deb and Fedora people manage to create an optimized build
[23:49] <markbook> and Arch is already doing fairly well.
[23:50] <mike632t> have you tried using raspbian
[23:50] <RITRedbeard> there are problems with packages and pre-compiled binaries and shared libraries...
[23:50] <markbook> but I don't think i could live on a pi.
[23:50] <markbook> RITRedbeard: but learning to Gentoo everything is a high bar.
[23:50] <RITRedbeard> My environment, I have to be able to compile code, if it is my own -- or something like vim.
[23:50] <markbook> it can be done, but it's not a mainstream idea.
[23:51] <RITRedbeard> I think it's apart and a core tenet of the linux/FOSS philosophy.
[23:51] <solutionssquad> calling any Xibo users.. anyone?
[23:51] <markbook> and that's not a mainstream idea. Mainstream are consumers.
[23:51] <RITRedbeard> But as you can imagine, doing it on this hardware brings you back to the days of Pentium 4
[23:51] <RITRedbeard> or possibly older
[23:51] <RITRedbeard> heh
[23:51] <markbook> I like that I *can* but I don't bother if someone's beat me to what I want.
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[23:52] <markbook> it allows me to focus on building what I *must* while just accepting what's already working.
[23:52] <RITRedbeard> Oh, well, if you want to discuss mainstream markets in relation to China's economic market; yes.
[23:52] <markbook> I wasn't referring to China.
[23:52] <RITRedbeard> If only the mainstream wasn't so... technologically handicapped.
[23:53] <markbook> They're not handicapped. *we're* the oddballs
[23:53] <RITRedbeard> Well, how can you say that?
[23:53] <markbook> "normal" is, by definition, everyone else.
[23:53] <RITRedbeard> I mean, if you are too lazy to pick up a book and learn something, you really should just like, jump into the middle of the atlantic with an anchor tied to your body.
[23:54] <RITRedbeard> Or ask for help.
[23:54] <RITRedbeard> Or anything.
[23:54] <markbook> I no longer have disdain for people who have *lives*
[23:54] <markbook> I'm a geek. I'm the wierdo. People who like golf and jet skis are the normal people.
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[23:55] <RITRedbeard> I don't think being glued and literally dependant on every day yet basic technology and not understanding how it works is "living".
[23:55] <RITRedbeard> I'm not an academic, I don't live in my mind.
[23:56] <RITRedbeard> But I strive towards enriching what I know and asking a ton of questions. About everything.
[23:56] <markbook> I find the attitude that anyone who isn't interested in getting under the hood is somehow "lazy" not very useful.
[23:56] <markbook> that was a really badly composed sentence.
[23:56] <markbook> sorry :-)
[23:56] <RITRedbeard> I know what you mean.
[23:56] <RITRedbeard> It's just that the way mainstream office technology works...
[23:57] <RITRedbeard> Is no different than how mainstream office technology worked in the 1940s.
[23:57] <markbook> Its the way humanity is.
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[23:57] <markbook> but I should probably take this to #humanist-philosophy not #raspberrypi
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[23:58] <RITRedbeard> Okay, well, let us steer towards back Pi.
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[23:58] <markbook> *grin*
[23:58] <markbook> shake on that
[23:58] <RITRedbeard> I think you couldn't realistically use Pi as your daily driver/machine.
[23:58] <markbook> now that we agree.
[23:59] <markbook> but it doesn't take too much more.
[23:59] <RITRedbeard> WITHOUT
[23:59] <RITRedbeard> a more powerful machine
[23:59] <markbook> I'd love to try with a trimslice.
[23:59] <RITRedbeard> to act as a local "mainframe" of sorts
[23:59] * markbook mostly lives on an Atom 270
[23:59] <markbook> but yeah, I have lots of other machines to work on.

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