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IRC Log for 2012-07-03

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[0:00] <RITRedbeard> However, _we_ could be the mainstream in that regard. I know people who have DSL/Puppy Linux and their total working space really never shoots past 32MB
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[0:00] * markbook does not take the bait :-)
[0:01] <RITRedbeard> Which is pretty cool, I guess. Sort of like having a hammer but caressing it.
[0:02] <RITRedbeard> But I've worked with people in industry who still use Bill Joy's good ol' vi
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[0:02] * markbook raises his hand
[0:02] <cehteh> ed .. use ed!
[0:02] <markbook> though I use emacs for dev and vi for admin tasks.
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[0:02] <RITRedbeard> Oh, you!
[0:02] <RITRedbeard> Emacs!
[0:02] <markbook> cehteh: for programmed editing, yeah.
[0:02] <RITRedbeard> Stallman, is that you?
[0:02] <cehteh> http://lists.lumiera.org/pipermail/lumiera-work/attachments/20080906/f0e616f6/attachment.txt
[0:02] <markbook> God no!
[0:03] <RITRedbeard> Git outta here! Bad Stallman! Bad!
[0:03] <cehteh> i use ed for scripting :)
[0:03] * RITRedbeard points towards door :P
[0:03] <markbook> I use the tool which works best for me
[0:03] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, that's cool.
[0:03] <RITRedbeard> I still plan to take a pepsi challenge, just with Allwinner A10 / MK802
[0:03] <markbook> I have had the priviledge of being personally admonished by Richard Stallman
[0:03] <Draylor> you & everyone else hes ever met :p
[0:04] <cehteh> haha me too :P
[0:04] <cehteh> welcome
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[0:05] <dmsuse> anyone wanna show me how to wire this temp sensor i have for 1 wire :P
[0:05] <cehteh> haha .. its only 1 wire .. what can be wrong? :)
[0:05] <RITRedbeard> But as cell phones get more powerful and people are more interconnected, it is becoming a legitimate??? tool of computing.
[0:05] <dmsuse> well it has 5 pins on it :P
[0:05] <cehteh> seriously .. is there a 1wire driver for the gpio's yet?
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[0:05] <cehteh> read the datasheet
[0:06] <RITRedbeard> I'm not sure, there is dallas 1 wire for openwrt
[0:06] <cehteh> there should be gnd and the 1wire signal .. and maybe vcc
[0:06] <cehteh> there is a lot onewire stuff for linux ..
[0:06] <cehteh> i just dont know if there is a driver for the gpio's
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[0:07] <RITRedbeard> How'd you mean?
[0:07] <RITRedbeard> Don't these gpios get abstracted via kernel mod?
[0:07] <dmsuse> is NC, SDA or SCLK 1 wire?
[0:10] <ReggieUK> nc is not connected :D
[0:12] <cehteh> dont you have a proper datasheet?
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[0:12] <dmsuse> k ima assume its sda
[0:12] <dmsuse> cehteh: no?
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[0:13] <RITRedbeard> <cehteh> dont you have a proper datasheet? <--- good advice :)
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[0:13] <cehteh> dmsuse: then google for it
[0:13] <dmsuse> too late already wired it up
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[0:13] <dmsuse> k now to figure out how i2c thingy works
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[0:15] <cehteh> is it i2c or onewire?
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[0:15] <dmsuse> i duno, thought they were the same thing
[0:15] <cehteh> nope
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[0:16] <RITRedbeard> no no no no
[0:16] <RITRedbeard> i2c and dallas 1-wire are different
[0:16] <cehteh> now you need a datasheet and some clue .. seriously
[0:16] <RITRedbeard> fun factoid: Wiimote's extention port and perhperials use i2c to communicate
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[0:16] <ReggieUK> dmsuse, what's the device you're trying to hook up?
[0:16] <chaoshax> RITRedbeard, Which is also why there are loads of arduino projects using them :)
[0:16] <RITRedbeard> i.e: Nunchuck, Motion+, etc
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[0:17] <markbook> So I could use my wiimote as a pi pointer?
[0:17] <markbook> ;-)
[0:17] <RITRedbeard> Yes. :)
[0:17] * markbook forgot that Wiimote is BT. Ohhh I need one!
[0:18] <chaoshax> WMP is actually quite a good gyro.
[0:18] <dmsuse> tc74a0 temp sensor
[0:18] <markbook> I need to get a USB BT with a supported driver.
[0:18] <markbook> I've been using USB kb and mouse with DarkELEC, thinking I needed a presentation pointer.
[0:18] <RITRedbeard> markbook, I just ordered two cheap ones that are known to work with W7... after I finished playing a quick match of IL-2 1946 :)
[0:18] <markbook> but a wiimote would work great.
[0:19] <markbook> or "would be great if it works"
[0:19] <RITRedbeard> once I have my aftermarket wiimote diy trackir... the skies shall be friendly!
[0:19] <cehteh> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/devicedoc/21462c.pdf
[0:19] <cehteh> read that
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[0:21] <dmsuse> non of it makes any sense to me
[0:21] <cehteh> then read again .. and google what you dont understand
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[0:21] <cehteh> come back in about half a year :P
[0:21] <markbook> right now I'm supposed to be doing work, which for now is writing a script to generate an empty test configuration for BIND to be used on an Openshift on-premise service.
[0:22] <markbook> so /me goes radio silent and lurks....
[0:22] <cehteh> well iirc the wiki has some descripton how to hook i2c stuff to the rpi
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[0:22] <dmsuse> k done that, now how do i get a reading from this thing :P
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[0:23] <RITRedbeard> there's clock, serial data (bi-directional), vcc, and ground
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[0:24] <dmsuse> yeah connected vcc and ground, figured i dont need clock and put the serial to a gpio
[0:24] <ReggieUK> hehehehehe :)
[0:24] <cehteh> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[0:24] <ReggieUK> it needs clock
[0:24] <chaoshax> Indeed.
[0:24] <chaoshax> I2c needs clock.
[0:24] <cehteh> see the cyan coded pins .. thats i2c ..
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[0:25] <dmsuse> does i2c work on any gpio or just those stated i2c int he gpio layout pics?
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[0:25] <cjdavies> I wonder if this battery pack is really anywhere near 6000mAh as it claims? http://www.maplin.co.uk/6000mah-portable-power-bank-for-mobile-devices-625614
[0:25] <dmsuse> *in the
[0:25] <cehteh> but you have to figure out how to drive the sensor (maybe the kernel already has a driver)
[0:25] <RITRedbeard> cjdavies, I believe it.
[0:25] <mo1991> Sticky Keys issue - on my mini usb mouse/keyboard all works great with squeeze image but get sticky keys with wheezy image. I've read same for others. Any fix for this?
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[0:26] <cehteh> gpio == general purpose io .. they can be reconfigured with more or less efforts
[0:26] <mo1991> I'm guessing its a kernel issue
[0:26] <RITRedbeard> but take 6000mah and use 80% rule since you know it converts via switchmode
[0:26] <chaoshax> Are there any pullups available to be used?
[0:26] <chaoshax> Or do you have to use your own?
[0:27] <chaoshax> ( Talking about i2c)
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[0:27] <RITRedbeard> I'm not sure, does the RPi have any pullup resistors built in?
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[0:27] <cjdavies> RITRedbeard: I've been looking at battery packs on dealextreme but there are some fairly cheap UK-based ones available too --> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003F5WEMO/ref=asc_df_B003F5WEMO8084796?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B003F5WEMO
[0:28] <cjdavies> might try one of those first, simple because I'm too impatient to wait for shipping from HK
[0:28] <chaoshax> RITRedbeard, I would have thought it may do.
[0:28] <RITRedbeard> cjdavies, I've been experimenting with the "USB chargers"
[0:28] <RITRedbeard> they look to be a much better solution than adafruit's minty boost
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[0:28] <RITRedbeard> in terms of price and they all have charging circuits, also usually USB based
[0:29] <chaoshax> Are they lipos?
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[0:29] <chaoshax> Apparently i2c pins do have pullups.
[0:29] <RITRedbeard> The commerical battery I have or the adafruit minty boost?
[0:30] <chaoshax> Those usb chargers.
[0:30] <chaoshax> The ones you get for phones etc..
[0:30] <RITRedbeard> I would think they are lithium ion
[0:30] <RITRedbeard> I haven't cut it open yet
[0:30] <cjdavies> The Veho I linked is li-ion
[0:30] <cjdavies> at least the description says so
[0:31] <cjdavies> I doubt it would be li-poly if they say li-ion!
[0:31] <markbook> err. cutting open Li batteries might be a step toward a Darwin award....
[0:31] <cjdavies> as long as you don't cut open the cells themselves ;)
[0:31] <RITRedbeard> with my limited electronics experience, I'm not sure if you can trickle charge a lithium polymer battery... my experience has been with RC craft
[0:31] <RITRedbeard> it's in a durable plastic case
[0:32] <RITRedbeard> i'm interested to see how the charging circuit works
[0:32] <cjdavies> SLA are the kings of trickle charging, but not particular 'portable' compared to the Pi...
[0:32] <RITRedbeard> because if could shrink it down to AAA size cells... :)
[0:32] <cjdavies> just roll over it in your car a few times ;)
[0:33] <RITRedbeard> there seem to be a lot of these USB phone chargers/batteries on the market
[0:33] <RITRedbeard> back when I looked a few months ago
[0:33] <ebswift> RITRedbeard you can get separate li battery circuitry off ebay
[0:33] <cjdavies> there are loads on dealextreme if you want dirt cheap
[0:33] <RITRedbeard> the ones on amazon aren't super expensive either
[0:33] <RITRedbeard> there is one that supposedly outputs 5V 2A and it's like $30 USD
[0:33] <cjdavies> no, but dx is even cheaper if you're willing to wait a few weeks
[0:34] <RITRedbeard> I have amazon prime :(
[0:34] <RITRedbeard> :)
[0:34] * cjdavies has bought so much useless crap off dx 'because it's cheap'
[0:34] <cjdavies> USB powered plasma ball was probably the best
[0:34] <RITRedbeard> yeah I was looking there today, I got a USB BT dongle that is supposed to work in W7 with widcomm/default bluetooth stack for wiimotes
[0:35] <cjdavies> best thing was it came with a 300mA USB wall power supply that wasn't actually powerful enough to run it
[0:35] <RITRedbeard> and all those $10 bluetooth headsets thinking... man, you could just bug a place by throwing them in there :)
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[0:35] <markbook> yeah. tech: the 2 edged sword....
[0:36] <RITRedbeard> I'm looking for a relatively inexpensive phone, so I was on there looking at those on DX as well.
[0:37] <RITRedbeard> My mom and I are on ancient Nextel iDEN networks and her phone is literally 12 years old... it's beginning to fail.
[0:37] <RITRedbeard> It will randomly go into a 3 way call, the buttons are all faded and washed off
[0:37] <mo1991> ok just found out that powering with 2.1 amps no keyboard sticking. Powering with only 1.5 amps and the keyboard sticks. Well at least I know the problem
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[0:45] <Da|Mummy> anyone have a good place to purchase a clear acrylic case from usa?
[0:46] <dmsuse> umm i2cdetect doesnt find anything
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[1:00] <WPsites> Hi Guys. I haven't got a powered USB hub. I'm having trouble with my webcam (it's the only USB devices plugged into the pi). The cam works but the picture is a mess unless I put the resolution right down to 160x120. Could it be because the webcam needs more power?
[1:00] <SpeedEvil> Yes.
[1:01] <SpeedEvil> In principle, you could short the output fuse.
[1:01] <plugwash> it could be or it could be because the USB on the Pi sucks
[1:02] <WPsites> really though? It just seems to be the answer to everyones problems but I can't keep buying new stuff to try get this cam to work, its costing me a fortune
[1:02] <markbook> everything on the Pi sucks. What do you expect for $35US?
[1:02] <SpeedEvil> A webcam is very unlikely to work properly.
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[1:02] <SpeedEvil> Unless you have it connected to a powered hub, or unless you buypass the fuses.
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[1:03] <ReggieUK> everything doesn't suck on the pi
[1:03] <plugwash> personally I'd solder a bypass over the USB port polyswitch, if it works great, if it doesn't you haven't really lost anything much
[1:03] <markbook> ReggieUK: It isn't meant to denegrate, just to set appropriate expectations.
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[1:05] <ReggieUK> for what?
[1:05] <ReggieUK> his issue is not using a powered hub
[1:05] <markbook> see "appropriate expectations"
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[1:10] <Syliss> lol
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[1:14] <dmsuse> http://www.janwagemakers.be/wordpress/?p=214
[1:15] <dmsuse> in that he uses a yellow thing, is that necessary?
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[1:20] <Syliss> ugh, cannot wait for my adapters
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[1:23] <McGooch> Does anyone know if that issue that was causing key presses to get stuck has been fixed?
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[1:26] <maicod> wondering what causes apt-get to exit with 'segmentation faulty tree'. I know how to fix it (sudo rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin) but why does this error happen at all?
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[1:29] <McGooch> Is there a raspberry pi development newsgroup? So far, IRC doesn't seem to be a good way to keep up.
[1:29] <plugwash> The most central thing is probablly the forums
[1:30] <maicod> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/
[1:30] <maicod> see the programming part
[1:30] <plugwash> there is also a mailing list for the pi kernel work somewhere (don't remember the url offhand), it wouldn't surprise me if someone is gatewaying said mailing list to a usenet server
[1:30] <maicod> I think this is what you mean
[1:30] <maicod> hi plugwash
[1:31] <plugwash> iirc there is a known bug with apt that causes it to segfault when processing pdiffs sometimes
[1:32] <maicod> ah so thats what does it
[1:32] <maicod> is it fixed in newer releases?
[1:32] <plugwash> not sure, you haven't even said what version you are running
[1:32] <maicod> hehe ehm the basic one from the site (debian)
[1:32] <maicod> or u mean apt-get version :)
[1:33] <maicod> apt 0.8.10.3 for armel compiled on Apr 15 2011 21:19:53
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[1:34] <plugwash> hmm, the segfault issues i've been hearing about were with wheezy/sid so your issue is probablly unrelated
[1:34] <maicod> OK no worry
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[1:42] <IT_Sean> Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel. Logs @ http://srv.datagutt1.com] ** No Foul Language ** <> Starting 9th July 2011 you will only be able to join #raspberrypi if you are registered w/ Nickserv. <>
[1:42] <IT_Sean> Oops
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[1:42] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[1:42] <oldtopman> IT_Sean: It's alright.
[1:42] <maicod> :)
[1:42] * IT_Sean changes topic to 'Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel. Logs @ http://srv.datagutt1.com] ** No Foul Language ** <> Starting 9th July 2011 you will only be able to join #raspberrypi if you are registered w/ Nickserv. <>'
[1:42] <IT_Sean> There we go.
[1:42] <oldtopman> We do what we can :)
[1:42] <maicod> LOL it was supposed to be the topic:)
[1:43] <oldtopman> Now, codeblocks on the rpi
[1:43] <oldtopman> MAKE IT HAPPEN PEOPLE
[1:43] <Thorn_> that's a sodding great idea
[1:43] * Thorn_ was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[1:43] <maicod> good ol' nickserv
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[1:43] <Thorn_> couldnt you be sleeping by now or something?
[1:44] <ReggieUK> yeah but that won't save you
[1:44] <ReggieUK> logs
[1:44] <zylche> You could always set +M and make it so that you need to be registered to talk
[1:44] <Thorn_> autokick?
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[1:44] <IT_Sean> Thorn_, really? Are you going to keep poking that badger?
[1:44] * PiBot sets mode +v Thorn_
[1:45] <Thorn_> well yes, because sod is such a low bar, what about words such as 'bloody' and 'blimmin' ? there's thousands or words that cross a bar that low and it's hard to tell whats appropriate as they're definitely not condemmed 'swear words'
[1:45] <Thorn_> thousands of words*
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[1:45] <cehteh> dmsuse: that yellow thing is a small capacitor .. when you experience problems then its neccesary
[1:45] <ReggieUK> hahahaha, you were quicker than me
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[1:45] <IT_Sean> That's teamwork, mate.
[1:45] <ReggieUK> indeed
[1:45] <maicod> is that serious ?
[1:46] <maicod> or joking?
[1:46] <maicod> just wondering
[1:46] <ReggieUK> the point is maicod, we've been at this for days now
[1:46] <maicod> oh I see
[1:46] <IT_Sean> He keeps pushing that button, and and pushed it one too many times.
[1:46] <IT_Sean> So, he got the boot.
[1:46] <maicod> sorry didnt know that and thought it was joking
[1:46] <ReggieUK> some people just seem to think that by saying words we don't appreciate that we will all of a sudden change our minds
[1:46] <maicod> ok clear
[1:47] <ReggieUK> they even think it's up for discussion (not you personally)
[1:47] <maicod> I understand
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[1:47] <ReggieUK> so because of a few people that would like to assert their will on us, we have to take measures against it
[1:48] <maicod> OK
[1:48] <ReggieUK> which is why you've all got a week to get registered with nickserve (most probably will be anyway)
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[1:48] <maicod> I am already
[1:48] <maicod> indeed
[1:48] <maicod> need to be for other chans
[1:48] <plugwash> surely by making people register with nickserv you are making your own live's harder
[1:48] <plugwash> because it increases the chance that people's true host will be hidden and hence you can't effectively ban them
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[1:49] <IT_Sean> plugwash, we know what we are doing here. Thanks for your input, though.
[1:49] <maicod> cehteh: I think tonight I am doing the kernel thing :)
[1:49] <plugwash> I know what i'm doing too and i've seen things go nasty on IRC, lets just say if someone is really determined it's virtually impossible to ban them without massive collatoral damage
[1:50] <maicod> IT_Sean/Reggie are you from Cambridge Uni ?
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[1:51] <ReggieUK> not sure why that's even relevant
[1:51] <maicod> sorry not relevant just wondering if you are connected with the Pi' board development
[1:52] <maicod> since your the channel hosts
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[1:53] <ReggieUK> no
[1:53] <maicod> ok
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[2:00] <IT_Sean> maicod, we are just two of the very few people who were offered, and accepted, an oppurtunity to manage #raspberrypi on behalf of The Foundation.
[2:00] <maicod> thats cool !
[2:01] * markbook is SO not envious :-)
[2:01] <maicod> so you have an official role thats neat
[2:01] <mervaka> lulz
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[2:02] <mervaka> so i can say that you guys are the people to go to re: channel issues
[2:02] <mervaka> cool ok
[2:02] <mervaka> (im rather inedbriated)
[2:02] <mervaka> (not p**sd)
[2:02] <maicod> never heard of that word
[2:02] <mervaka> oh come on
[2:02] <maicod> not weird since I'm not english native :)
[2:02] <mervaka> i cant spell
[2:03] <maicod> oh LOL
[2:03] <mervaka> imv to arsehold
[2:03] <neofutur> McGooch: you could be nterested in the github rss feed
[2:03] <neofutur> https://github.com/raspberrypi.atom
[2:03] <mervaka> let me off, at least let me try
[2:03] <mervaka> INEBRIATED
[2:03] <mervaka> yes!
[2:03] <mervaka> arse
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[2:04] <McGooch> Thanks neofutur
[2:04] * maicod already sensed he was acting against word decency rules
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[2:07] <IT_Sean> If you already sensed it, why'd you go there?
[2:07] <maicod> no I didnt know what he meant with that one word
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[2:07] <maicod> I sended it when he used the a word
[2:08] <maicod> sensed
[2:08] <maicod> whatever
[2:08] <maicod> im afk for a while
[2:08] <IT_Sean> I will be back in a minute or two
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[2:12] <ReggieUK> wb
[2:12] <IT_Sean> Thx
[2:12] <IT_Sean> Switched to the laptop
[2:12] <ReggieUK> it's been quiet whilst you were gone
[2:12] <IT_Sean> Awesome. :p
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[2:44] <netman87> hmm im gonna buy new memorycard. any tips?
[2:44] <netman87> i think that 4GB is way too small
[2:45] <netman87> and class 4 is way too slow
[2:45] <netman87> so think i need 16,32 or 64 GB model (which is biggest supported by raspberry pi?)
[2:45] <Fozzey> sudo dd bs=1M if=2012-06-18-wheezy-beta.img of=/dev/sdb
[2:45] <Fozzey> 16GB PNY professional Class 10 SD - 2m38.747s 12.2MB/s
[2:45] <Fozzey> 16GB PNY premium Class 4 SD ??? 2m20.055s 13.9MB/s
[2:45] <Fozzey> 4GB Lexar Platinum II Class 8 SD ??? 2m48.856s 11.5MB/s
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[2:46] <netman87> hmm pretty interesting results
[2:46] <Fozzey> a little test of three different SD card burning the wheezy img
[2:47] <netman87> thats write from computer to card isnt it?
[2:47] <Fozzey> yep
[2:47] <netman87> have u done similar tests about writing to SD from raspberry pi?
[2:47] <netman87> i have just few old card and one cheap 4GB card here
[2:48] <Fozzey> no I was just burnign all my available SDs
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[2:48] <netman87> burning?
[2:48] <Fozzey> yep
[2:48] <netman87> how u did that o.O
[2:48] <Fozzey> a sign of age I guess
[2:49] <netman87> oh have never broke any SD cards
[2:49] <netman87> i have even some 32MB models
[2:49] <Fozzey> dd = burning an image
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[2:51] <netman87> oh but it dosnt really burn anything so i would not call it burning
[2:51] <netman87> its simply to copy data
[2:51] <netman87> copy image to device
[2:51] <Fozzey> It's a flash back to cds. :-D
[2:51] <plugwash> or fuselink proms ;)
[2:52] <netman87> dd can copy harddrive to another one
[2:52] <netman87> or u can make backup of harddrive partitions
[2:52] <Fozzey> But the times witnessed on the copy were interesting nonetheless. I think the larger SD requires a larger Block Size. thats why the 4G was quicker
[2:53] <Fozzey> I used a 1M BS for all three
[2:55] <Fozzey> so much for paying extra for a class 10 rating
[2:55] <netman87> netman87@raspberrypi:~$ dd if=/dev/zero of=temp bs=1M count=128
[2:55] <netman87> 134217728 tavua (134 MB) kopioitu 36,6787 sekunnissa, 3,7 MB/s
[2:56] <netman87> tavua=bytes | kopioitua = copied | sekunnissa = in seconds
[2:56] <netman87> using finnish lang variable inside raspberry pi
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[2:57] <netman87> its 4GB class4 card from hong kong
[2:57] <Fozzey> what is Finnish for raspberry?
[2:57] <netman87> i did buy from DX and it did say in package and sites that its real kingston card
[2:58] <Fozzey> same test on the PNY 16G Class 10 equals:
[2:58] <Fozzey> 134217728 bytes (134 MB) copied, 36.8956 s, 3.6 MB/s
[2:58] <netman87> Fozzey: finnish... finland language... im using finnish language on raspberry system (so i just translated in case)
[2:59] <Fozzey> Yes and how do you say raspberry in finnish?
[2:59] <maicod> netman: I ordered the fastest card (top most) in this random 4KB write test: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-sd-cards/CrystalDiskMark-3.0-x64,2717.html
[3:00] <netman87> raspberry? vadelma. and pi is pii
[3:01] <IT_Sean> vadelma pii ?
[3:01] <maicod> in Dutch it is Framboos
[3:01] <netman87> IT_Sean: yes i think its correct translate for name
[3:01] <netman87> not sure about berrys
[3:01] <Fozzey> So our tests reveal that the PNY class10 card is worse than a Kingston class4 4G
[3:02] <netman87> but i think i remember that one well enough
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[3:02] <maicod> fozzey: thats why I looked @ 4K random write speeds
[3:03] <netman87> haha this is sloow netman87@raspberrypi:~$ dd if=/dev/random of=temp bs=1M count=128
[3:04] <maicod> yeah cause it read/writes from/on the same sd card ?
[3:04] <SpeedEvil> Err - no
[3:04] <netman87> ofc not
[3:04] <SpeedEvil> because /dev/random will only output at bytes/s
[3:04] <SpeedEvil> tops
[3:04] <SpeedEvil> on a buisy system
[3:04] <SpeedEvil> you want /dev/urandom
[3:05] <maicod> oh sorry didnt realise
[3:05] <netman87> yeah eating some cpu
[3:05] <SpeedEvil> and /dev/zero may well be faster.
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[3:05] <mlepage> Has anyone set up a Linux environment for building against GLESv2? Not cross-compiling, just something that can build so code can be tested on desktop, before building for RPi (which is actually easier). I got one almost set up, but I've got a 64-bit project building and only 32-bit GLES libraries. Don't wanna rebuild VM.
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[3:06] <Fozzey> but gained to 4.7MB/s when I increased the BS to 8M
[3:08] <Fozzey> dd if=/dev/urandom of=temp bs=1M count=128
[3:08] <Fozzey> 134217728 bytes (134 MB) copied, 127.625 s, 1.1 MB/s
[3:08] <Fozzey> pretty bad
[3:08] <Arch-Cloud> hexxeh image Timing buffered disk reads: 48 MB in 3.05 seconds = 15.76 MB/sec
[3:09] <netman87> but we are talking about write speed
[3:09] <Arch-Cloud> ohh
[3:09] <Arch-Cloud> let me try that
[3:09] <netman87> netman87@raspberrypi:~$ dd if=/dev/zero of=temp bs=8M count=16
[3:09] <netman87> 134217728 tavua (134 MB) kopioitu 23,5254 sekunnissa, 5,7 MB/s
[3:10] <Fozzey> wowyou picked up 2 Mb/s
[3:10] <netman87> Fozzey: yeah random is slow
[3:10] <netman87> hmm i really wanna test another cards but no enough space to fit linux on them and im using windows on laptop
[3:11] <netman87> root@raspberrypi:/home/netman87# hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0
[3:11] <netman87> Timing buffered disk reads: 50 MB in 3.09 seconds = 16.20 MB/sec
[3:11] <Arch-Cloud> 134217728 bytes (134 MB) copied, 127.986 s, 1.0 MB/s
[3:11] <Arch-Cloud> heh
[3:12] <netman87> Arch-Cloud: from zero?
[3:12] <Fozzey> thats more like it.
[3:12] <Arch-Cloud> yarp
[3:12] <Arch-Cloud> class 4
[3:12] <netman87> Fozzey: nah its just read test
[3:12] <netman87> i have class 4 "genuine" kingston from DX
[3:13] <Arch-Cloud> well i donno if i have a genuine or not
[3:13] <Arch-Cloud> but they were 5$
[3:14] <mlepage> OK I have determined I cannot link a 32-bit lib into a 64-bit program. So my options are to change to build as 32-bit lib (will give it a shot), or to make another VM entirely (not looking forward to it). Ah the steps to getting to where I can start working...
[3:14] <Arch-Cloud> and ive already spent way more then i chould have on this cheap computer
[3:14] <cehteh> geniue kingston? :)))
[3:14] <RITRedbeard> Anyone want to help a semi-newb? Trying to get mjpeg-streamer to work but I get an error interfacing with this one object
[3:14] <Fozzey> I tried 1,4,8 BS, and looks like 4MB BS is the best at 4.8MB/s
[3:14] <RITRedbeard> mjpg_streamer: can't resolve symbol '__pthread_register_cancel' in lib '/usr/lib/output_http.so'.
[3:14] <netman87> cehteh: fake or genuine cant be sure
[3:14] <mlepage> RITRedbeard: link to libpthread
[3:14] <cehteh> well as in kingston is not a producer themself .... :)
[3:15] <netman87> 16777216 tavua (17 MB) kopioitu 0,407156 sekunnissa, 41,2 MB/s <- lol
[3:15] <netman87> BS=2M count=8
[3:15] <Fozzey> RITRedbeard: outta my league
[3:15] <Arch-Cloud> there is supposed to be a 3.2.x kernel thats supposed to speed up the sd cards even more......now i need to find that page again
[3:16] <cehteh> yes works for me
[3:16] <cehteh> git://github.com/bootc/linux.git
[3:16] <mlepage> RITRedbeard: It is failing to link a symbol, either it's not in the lib, or the lib isn't being linked. It's a POSIX thread call. Maybe an extension? Google it.
[3:17] <netman87> netman87@raspberrypi:~$ dd if=/dev/zero of=temp bs=4M count=128
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[3:17] <netman87> 536870912 tavua (537 MB) kopioitu 123,53 sekunnissa, 4,3 MB/s
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[3:17] <netman87> netman87@raspberrypi:~$ dd if=/dev/zero of=temp bs=2M count=128
[3:18] <netman87> 268435456 tavua (268 MB) kopioitu 51,8125 sekunnissa, 5,2 MB/s
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[3:20] <netman87> netman87@raspberrypi:~$ dd if=temp of=/dev/null bs=4M count=128
[3:20] <netman87> 536870912 tavua (537 MB) kopioitu 26,6293 sekunnissa, 20,2 MB/s
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[3:21] <netman87> seems like i can read 20MB/s from card? and write 5MB/s. Am i right?
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[3:23] <Fozzey> lookscorrect
[3:26] <netman87> Fozzey: have u tested many cards yet? in RPi?
[3:26] <Fozzey> no, just what we just did
[3:27] <netman87> hmm how about we try boot speed?
[3:27] <netman87> hmm but i have already not default install of debian... i have added sshd and upgraded packaged and so on
[3:27] <Fozzey> Same here
[3:28] <netman87> well should we still try create bootcharts?
[3:28] <Fozzey> swap file size make a huge channge too
[3:28] <netman87> i have squeeze and u have wheezy
[3:29] <netman87> i have upgraded firmwares and some extra packages, changed language and some filesystem options
[3:29] <Fozzey> will bootchart package load
[3:29] <netman87> hmm im not sure about that
[3:30] <Fozzey> can load in raspian
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[3:32] <netman87> its on wheezy it seems but not on squeeze
[3:32] <netman87> im installing it anyway
[3:33] <Fozzey> looks like the the viewer is broken though
[3:33] <netman87> oh but we can just copy chart files to web
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[3:33] <Fozzey> I've never used it, so this will be a first
[3:34] <netman87> i need just some time to install and run test
[3:34] <netman87> and i can upload files easily with scp
[3:34] <netman87> windows laptop... expandrive on it
[3:34] <netman87> so i can access raspberry filesystem easily
[3:35] <netman87> also i can upload from raspberry with scp to servers
[3:35] <netman87> ... huh
[3:36] <netman87> bootchart from wheezy repos... wanna make 43 upgrades 44 new installs
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[3:36] * Arch-Cloud is gonna try the new bootc wheezy image
[3:40] <netman87> bootc=?
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[3:44] <netman87> okey ill maybe broke my debian install but i can always just change to newer one
[3:44] <netman87> havent really done anything big
[3:44] <Fozzey> so where are the charts after boot?
[3:45] <Arch-Cloud> netman87: www.bootc.net
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[3:47] <Fozzey> nevermind I found the conf
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[3:50] <Fozzey> it's not working
[3:53] <Fozzey> no charts in the /var/log. don't think I can fix this
[3:53] <netman87> u did set it to init-script?
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[3:54] <Fozzey> you mean etc/init.d/bootchartd start?
[3:54] <netman87> kernel cmdline
[3:55] <Fozzey> how
[3:55] <netman87> now sure if it works but /boot/cmdline and change init scripts used there
[3:56] <Fozzey> what do i add?
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[3:58] <netman87> not sure yet
[3:59] <Fozzey> tried "init=/sbin/bootchartd"
[4:00] <netman87> did it boot at all?
[4:00] <Arch-Cloud> hmmmm bootc image seems slower
[4:00] <Fozzey> yep, at the swap no
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[4:00] <Fozzey> now
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[4:03] <Fozzey> I've got the data now but no chart
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[4:07] <Fozzey> looks like you need java for the charts to run
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[4:08] <netman87> which operating system u have on your desktop?
[4:09] <Fozzey> ubuntu 12.04
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[4:09] <netman87> u can then move charts to that computer and look them there
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[4:10] <Fozzey> no. it won't build the charts at all. there is only a booychart.tgz and no bootchart.png
[4:10] <netman87> copy bootchart.tgz to ubuntu
[4:11] <netman87> and look it there
[4:11] <Fozzey> Nothing but a bunch of number arrays. doesn't make much sense to me
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[4:12] <netman87> hmm maybe u need to run something
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[4:12] <Fozzey> I found a bug report about needing java toget the png files
[4:13] <netman87> :/
[4:14] <Fozzey> sending you the data. maybe you can make it out
[4:15] <netman87> bootchart-render
[4:15] <netman87> hmm dosnt seem to work (sending)
[4:16] <netman87> 05:14:35 DCC can't connect to 192.168.1.125 port 41674
[4:16] <Fozzey> oh well
[4:16] <netman87> your dcc ip isnt right. u are behind nat
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[4:17] <netman87> u dont have any webhosting?
[4:17] <Fozzey> no
[4:21] <Arch-Cloud> hmmm bootc image busticated during apt-get upgrade
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[4:23] <netman87> Fozzey: pm
[4:23] <netman87> check it
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[4:41] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[4:42] <gordonDrogon> 3:40am morning ):
[4:42] <gordonDrogon> our post office has just been ramraided: http://unicorn.drogon.net/ramraid.jpg
[4:42] <gordonDrogon> bother.
[4:43] <ReggieUK> did you need stamps?
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[4:48] <paradizelost> hey all, i'm having an issue that i'm not sure how to resolve.
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[4:49] <paradizelost> i'm building a circuit with 3 functions. activate 2 garage doors(one each) and activate my doorbell.
[4:49] <paradizelost> i've had to use a relay to get enough power to the doorbell to have it activate, but when doing so it hard-locks my rpi
[4:50] <paradizelost> the doorbell requires a min. of 3V to function but can go up to 9. i'm running it off of the 3.3V pin.
[4:51] <paradizelost> i had tried 2 different transistors, and neither let enough power through, it was dropping to like 600mA or less, and only about 1.5-2.5V on the high end.
[4:56] <Arch-Cloud> gordonDrogon: by the local rams?
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[5:09] <netman87> whats easiest/fastest way to compile new kernel for raspberry?
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[5:11] <cehteh> haha
[5:11] <cehteh> the easy way is the slowest way :P
[5:11] <cehteh> and the fastest way is the most complex one
[5:12] <cehteh> easy: compile it on the device, takes 5-6 hours
[5:12] <cehteh> fastest: build a compiler farm of cross compilers with fast computers
[5:14] <cehteh> anything inbetween may work too .. farm of rpi's :) or just a single cross compiling machine .. add ccache to that .. whatever you like
[5:15] <Arch-Cloud> heh
[5:18] * cehteh got btrfs as root filesystem working meanwhile .. what a bitch :)
[5:18] <Arch-Cloud> whats the advantage?
[5:19] <cehteh> compression, snapshots, fun to see your data vanishing
[5:19] <Arch-Cloud> lol
[5:19] <paradizelost> anyone got any ideas on what i could do to keep the rpi from hard-locking when activating my doorbell buzzer?
[5:19] <cehteh> the rpi is my toy .. its not productive here
[5:19] <cehteh> hard-locking?
[5:20] <paradizelost> basically, i put a relay in to power the buzzer, but i have to physically power cycle after activating
[5:20] <paradizelost> i think too much juice is getting to ground.
[5:20] <paradizelost> that or, too much is getting drawn in the first place
[5:20] <cehteh> relay directly to the gpio?
[5:21] <cehteh> that prolly needs a driver, gpio can only drive 16mA
[5:21] <paradizelost> no, relay is +3.3 -> ground
[5:21] <paradizelost> but the gpio activates the relay's coil
[5:21] <cehteh> i meant that
[5:21] <Arch-Cloud> 134217728 bytes (134 MB) copied, 148.435 s, 904 kB/s <--- with the new bootc image.....this is supposed to make it faster but im not seeing it
[5:21] <paradizelost> and it activates properly
[5:21] <paradizelost> just it freaks out
[5:21] <cehteh> did you measure the current?
[5:21] <cehteh> you can fry your pie
[5:22] <cehteh> i'd add a driver there
[5:22] <netman87> Arch-Cloud: u did try urandom? its slow anyway... try with /dev/zero
[5:22] <cehteh> maybe even optocoppler
[5:22] <cehteh> or electronic relay
[5:22] <netman87> highest with urandom when we did test was 1MB/s
[5:22] <cehteh> well i am planning something like that and i'll add avr attiny13 or so to the outputs
[5:22] <paradizelost> cehteh: i'm using a relay
[5:22] <netman87> and it depends on posion of moon and so on
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[5:23] <cehteh> that would allow the rpi to reboot while the output is hold
[5:23] <paradizelost> huh?
[5:23] <netman87> why everyone uses attiny atmega or something like those
[5:23] <cehteh> paradizelost: yes i meant driving the relay coil from the gpio may be already too much
[5:24] <netman87> i have few of msp430 chips... and they are nice too
[5:24] <cehteh> netman87: they are easy and cheap
[5:24] <cehteh> whatever works for you
[5:24] <netman87> but msp430 is cheap and easy too... or well okey not so easy to setup but pretty much
[5:24] <cehteh> paradizelost: the 3.3v can't drive much either
[5:25] <netman87> hmm can someone compile kernel for me?
[5:25] <cehteh> netman87: avr work without any external components .. and their output drivers are pretty well self limiting
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[5:25] <paradizelost> cehteh: the part is http://www.radioshackuk.co.uk/RadioShack-SPST-5VDC-Reed-Rel
[5:26] <cehteh> Voltage: 5VDC
[5:26] <cehteh> Nominal coil current: 20mA
[5:26] <netman87> please i want kernel and i dont wanna wait 6-7hours for it to compile :D
[5:26] <cehteh> .. ugh!
[5:26] <cehteh> say goodbye to your rpi
[5:26] <cehteh> paradizelost: gpio is 3.3v and must not exceed 16mA
[5:27] <cehteh> netman87: patience :)
[5:27] <paradizelost> cehteh: even using a button on the breadboard not going through GPIO pin does it
[5:28] <cehteh> yes that pulls the 3.3v down and the rpi becomes unstable
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[5:28] <cehteh> you need some driver
[5:28] <paradizelost> well, the buzzer says 3-9V DC or 8-16V AC Transformer
[5:29] <netman87> cehteh: nah, i have 2 servers but another is debian one and another running ubuntu... i did give full access to it for open source GPS tracker project
[5:29] <Fozzey> the UK radioshacks are better stocked than the US ones. We have 3 LED's in the drawer if we are lucky
[5:29] <netman87> and at home i have only win7 laptop and rpi
[5:29] <cehteh> netman87: i just compile kernels on the rpi ..
[5:29] <paradizelost> thinking i may need to use the relay to activate power from my current doorbell's transformer rather than from the RPi, thin that would resolve the issue?
[5:29] <cehteh> too lazy/busy to setup a cross compiler
[5:30] <netman87> cehteh: ur crazy or have full distcc-cluster of RPi's
[5:30] <cehteh> paradizelost: the rpi doesnt even provide enough power for the relay coil!
[5:30] <netman87> cehteh: wiki says that its just freaking easy for ubuntu
[5:30] <cehteh> you may damage your rpi if you connect it directly
[5:30] <cehteh> netman87: so go on
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[5:31] <netman87> but i dont have ubuntu or free computer atm
[5:31] <mlepage> Run ubuntu in a VM.
[5:31] <cehteh> didnt you just saied you have a ubuntu server?
[5:31] <paradizelost> cehteh: so i need to find a relay that i can activate with less than 16mA?
[5:32] <cehteh> paradizelost: electronic relay, optocoppler or some other kind of driver (transistor)
[5:32] <cehteh> there are integrated circruits with drivers too
[5:32] <paradizelost> tried transistors and they dont put enough juice through to run the buzzer
[5:33] <Xark> paradizelost: Look into a N-channel MOSFET perhaps.
[5:33] <paradizelost> well, i tried one, that almost worked, but it got VERY hot.
[5:33] <cehteh> paradizelost: to drive the relay!
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[5:33] <cehteh> or as i saied, attiny
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[5:35] <mo1991> has anyone been able to get audio working with omxplayer on wheezy image? omxplayer -o hdmi filename gives no sound but video fine
[5:35] <mo1991> do I need to update firmware or something?
[5:36] <cehteh> paradizelost: solid state relay
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[5:37] <cehteh> http://www.reichelt.de/Solid-State-Relais/RP1A23D5/3/index.html?;ACTION=3;LA=2;ARTICLE=79456;GROUPID=3298;artnr=RP1A23D5;SID=12T1fXn38AAAIAAAu8sgMbe0fe10bae7243de7c39d0da02514df2
[5:37] <cehteh> for example
[5:37] * cehteh didnt looked at the datasheet, just an example
[5:38] <cehteh> 10mA
[5:38] <cehteh> just ok ..
[5:38] <cehteh> while i'd prefer some driver circruit
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[5:50] <netman87> cehteh: yeah but i did give it with root password and everything to opensource GPS tracker project
[5:50] <cehteh> eh?
[5:50] <netman87> ill just pay for it and i dont anything there
[5:51] <cehteh> ah :)
[5:51] <netman87> it was first for clan gameserver but clan went inactive
[5:51] <netman87> ofc i would use it but for that i need to reset it or ask for current root passwords
[5:51] <netman87> so too much for now
[5:51] <cehteh> haha
[5:51] <netman87> ill put up later ubuntu VM
[5:51] <cehteh> just build it on the rpi .. before you go to bed
[5:52] <netman87> and on debian one my friend keeps some sites so i cant so easily change
[5:52] <netman87> Fozzey: is already helping me with that matter
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[6:59] <offbyone> Hey, folks! Just got my rpi set up, and I'm having a bit of a tough time getting it to display anything.
[7:00] <offbyone> It boots fine, and I've enabled SSH, so I can interact with it
[7:00] <offbyone> but I can't get the HDMI output to work.
[7:00] <RITRedbeard> hmmm
[7:01] <RITRedbeard> you might have to change a boot option
[7:01] <RITRedbeard> I don't have a Pi :( :( :(
[7:01] <offbyone> I was able to get a flicker of the initial text framebuffer by unplugging and plugging it back in
[7:01] <offbyone> it flickered in
[7:01] <offbyone> long enough that I caught a glimpse of the berry
[7:01] <netman87> does SDXC cards work on rpi?
[7:01] <offbyone> I've currently got hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[7:01] <offbyone> but no joy there.
[7:01] <neofutur> offbyone: you tried http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_configuration
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[7:02] <offbyone> neofutur: I have looked at it
[7:02] <offbyone> but I'm not sure how to map that to my TV
[7:02] <neofutur> # Force the monitor to HDMI mode so that sound will be sent over HDMI cable
[7:02] <neofutur> hdmi_drive=2
[7:02] <neofutur> hdmi_force_hotplug=1 Use HDMI mode even if no HDMI monitor is detected
[7:03] <offbyone> I turned that on
[7:03] <offbyone> I'll try with hdmi_safe=1
[7:04] <offbyone> Is there any flag I could set to have the kernel display driver log copiously?
[7:04] <offbyone> okay
[7:04] <offbyone> hdmi_safe=1 worked (well, in the form of the individual flags)
[7:04] <offbyone> now to experiment and see which if any of the values is the kicker
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[7:06] <offbyone> okay, that got a display where the black is purple and the resolution is ... low. Very low
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[7:11] <RITRedbeard> I'd help if I had a Pi!
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[7:13] <mo1991> offbyone - using the debian images it should just work on boot with hdmi cable plugged in. What software are you using
[7:13] <mo1991> ?
[7:13] <offbyone> debian image, as of a day or two ago
[7:14] <offbyone> I've managed to get the display going by forcing hdmi_mode=4
[7:14] <mo1991> I've go the 6/18 wheezy image and squeeze images working off the bat. just plugin hdmi and boot
[7:14] <offbyone> but now the background is purple
[7:14] <offbyone> and startx -- which runs! -- is all purple/green
[7:14] <offbyone> I'm assuming that's not intentional.
[7:14] <mo1991> ??? seems like a cord issue???
[7:15] <offbyone> Seems implausible. New cord.
[7:15] <mo1991> no looks normal black and white
[7:15] <offbyone> But, not impossible.
[7:15] <offbyone> easy to test
[7:16] <mo1991> that is strange. Both images require nothing to get hdmi up and startx to work on my pi - with normal colors
[7:16] <offbyone> Nope, not the cable.
[7:16] <offbyone> Tried another cable and it was fine
[7:17] <offbyone> also, the flickered view I got with bare-bones settings was black-background.
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[7:17] <mo1991> possibly the power supply? How many ma does your power supply have? My has 700 ma at 5v.
[7:18] <offbyone> 1A
[7:18] <mo1991> Strange. Me and my buddy got our PI's a couple days ago and both worked out of the box.
[7:18] <offbyone> Not here
[7:19] <mo1991> not outta the box but worked once images installed.
[7:19] <offbyone> Yeah
[7:19] <offbyone> The OS is fine
[7:19] <mo1991> everything is booting just weird colors huh?
[7:19] <offbyone> Boots, has network connectivity, et al
[7:19] <offbyone> but the display is wonky or won't work, one or the other.
[7:20] <mo1991> try VNCing into the box
[7:20] <offbyone> The only time it's been black in the background was when it wouldn't display at all except for an instant when I connected it.
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[7:20] <mo1991> I assume you've powered off and back on several times
[7:20] <offbyone> oh gods, yes.
[7:21] <offbyone> although...
[7:21] <offbyone> since the display started, I've been soft booting
[7:21] <offbyone> Aha!
[7:21] <offbyone> Okay
[7:21] <offbyone> working config for me:
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[7:21] <offbyone> hdmi_force_hotplug=1, config_hdmi_boost=4
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[7:22] <mo1991> good deal. the hdmi_force_hotplug is really just to allow booting when no cord is connected - example when you want to just ssh into it, vnc, etc.
[7:22] <mo1991> not sure what the config_hdmi_boost does. Glad you got it up
[7:23] <offbyone> Now, the display doesn't meet the edges of the screen; I'll have to see about that.
[7:23] <mo1991> ya, mine doesn't hit top or bottom at the moment either. Does play fullscreen vids though with omxplayer. Think its just a config thing I haven't messed with yet.
[7:24] <offbyone> Ah, so it's an X issue?
[7:25] <netman87> omxplayer found from debian repos?
[7:26] <netman87> or what it is?
[7:27] <netman87> oh okey its that
[7:27] <netman87> need to test soon
[7:29] <mo1991> seems to be an x issue yes. omxplayer is the media player command that was written specifically for raspberry pi's GPU. Only media player that works
[7:29] <mo1991> for video at least
[7:30] <offbyone> mo1991: Where does one get it?
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[7:52] <necreo> what would cause a pi repeatedly restarting?
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[7:54] <necreo> flashed Archlinux, shows the raspberry logo and boot initiation
[7:54] <necreo> after like 5s screen goes off (no signal), and after a few seconds it shows the same again
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[7:56] <Walther> I was just wondering, how much RAM has to be allocated for the GPU in order to be able to play 1080p?
[7:56] <Walther> I bet 224/32 is not enough :P
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[7:59] <Walther> ...correct me if I'm mistaken
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[8:17] <Lartza> So still no bootloaders for the Pi?
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[8:36] <Jck_true> Lartza: uBoot should be comming along great
[8:36] <Lartza> Yeah that's what I've read but not yet :)
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[8:39] <Lartza> Jck_true, Oh wow, someone already ported it?
[8:39] <Lartza> http://kernelnomicon.org/
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[8:40] <kghost> I'll take several tries until I can boot my pi, is it sdcard compatible problem ? (plug power, won't boot, unplug, do it again)
[8:41] <Jck_true> kghost: Tested your powersupply?
[8:41] <kghost> how to test ? it won't get any problem after a success boot
[8:42] <Jck_true> kghost: Got a multimeter?
[8:42] <kghost> TP1 and TP2 ?
[8:42] <Jck_true> Yeah
[8:42] <kghost> tested, around 4.7v
[8:42] <Jck_true> Should be alright then
[8:42] <Jck_true> Worth trying a differnt card then - And you using the public wheezy beta+
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[8:43] <gordonDrogon> 'morning (again)
[8:43] <KrnlPanic> G'd mornin' gordonDrogon
[8:43] <Jck_true> I saw a bugticket noting somethingabout the RasPi not booting without HDMI in the beta
[8:44] <kghost> is pi designed to support only set of sdcards ?
[8:44] <kghost> why is there so many compatible issues
[8:44] <gordonDrogon> kghost, some sd cards appear to work better than others.
[8:44] <Leonidas> kghost: no, but it has issues with some cards, see elinux wiki
[8:44] <Jck_true> kghost: No it's supposed to support as many as possible - But there's messed up specs on some cards
[8:45] <Jck_true> Personally I've had no issues with any card
[8:45] <Leonidas> i guess nobody cares to make cards work well
[8:45] <gordonDrogon> yea, cheap rip-off cards.
[8:45] <Leonidas> well, not only.
[8:45] <kghost> if there are only 5% has issues, it'll be ok, but pi don't support almost 50% cards
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[8:45] <gordonDrogon> cards are cheap enough that if one doesn't work in your device, you throw it away and buy another of a different make.
[8:45] <kghost> I don't think pi fullfill the spec
[8:45] <gordonDrogon> not ideal IMO, but that's the reality.
[8:45] <Leonidas> if you check the list, theres many known brands which work rather sloppily
[8:46] <gordonDrogon> in high-end devices, youll find a list of tested cards that the manufacturer will recommend - e.g. high-end cameras, etc.
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[8:46] <gordonDrogon> the issue isn't unique to the Pi
[8:46] <Leonidas> you don't even need to throw it away, there's so many devices with sd card slots, you can reuse them
[8:46] <kghost> there are tons of card works well on all devices except pi, so I expect there must be some problem in pi
[8:46] <KrnlPanic> Can a MicroSD with an adapter be used?
[8:46] <Leonidas> kghost: most devices only append data to a card
[8:46] <Leonidas> like digital cameras
[8:47] <Leonidas> or only read files sequentially, like mp3 players
[8:47] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, yes.
[8:47] <kghost> my $0.5 card reader works better than pi
[8:47] <Leonidas> i guess many manufacturers just cut corners
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[8:47] <Leonidas> kghost: it is not about the card reader
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[8:48] <gordonDrogon> kghost, glad to hear it, now spend 6 months of your time and money making the adapter work on the Pi.
[8:48] <KrnlPanic> gordonDrogon: Thank you.
[8:48] <Leonidas> and even then i don't think that will help
[8:49] <KrnlPanic> Expected ship date moved out again.. :( I don't think I'll ever get my rPI..
[8:49] <gordonDrogon> Hang in there.. they'll get there eventally.
[8:49] <mythos> is there an official kernel out now for raspbian?
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> not sure - there is an official kernel installed by rpi-update, but ...
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> I think the bootc kernels are on their way to officialdom...
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.21+ #2 PREEMPT Thu Jun 28 15:56:37 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[8:51] <mythos> ok... thanks gordonDrogon =)
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> AIUI the 3.1 series is what Broadcom are using in-house, so thats the one supported by the RPI foundation, however if you can get bootc's kernel, I'd suggest giving it a go.
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> I compiled my own from source, but got the sources from his GIT repo.
[8:52] <Lartza> How much space do the distros really use? Haven't looked really
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[8:52] <Lartza> Figuring out partitioning layout for my 16GB card
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> they use about 1.2GB.
[8:53] <waterbury> I just made a derivitive of Adafruit's Raspberry Pi case to accomidate LCD. Figure I'd pimp my shit here: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:26164
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> at least Debian does to start with.
[8:53] <waterbury> still working on it
[8:53] <Lartza> So my 7GB per distro was a little overkill :P
[8:54] <Lartza> But I only plan to boot two so, maybe I'll add third that I can use to play with
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> the supplied distros are designed to fit inside a 2GB SD card.
[8:54] <mythos> gordonDrogon, yeah. the point is, that i want to plug a pi to the internet and for that, i would really need an official kernel which gets security updates
[8:55] <mythos> i can compile it on my own. but maintaining is time intense
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> mythos, well the 3.1 series do have some bug in it.
[8:56] <mythos> gordonDrogon, yeah, i know that ;-)
[8:57] <mythos> but i think, the raspbian-guys won't ship a broken kernel
[8:57] <gordonDrogon> I have a couple of dozen servers connected to the Internet - some of them have 3.1 kernels, but the vulnerabilities are not to do with extrernal expolits as far as I'm aware.
[8:57] <mythos> that's true
[8:57] <booyaa> morning
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[8:59] <offbyone> Has anyone got any pointers for osx cross compilation toolkits?
[8:59] <offbyone> I've never done ARM development.
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[9:00] <gordonDrogon> offbyone, I think the stuff on bootc's site can be made to work on a Mac, BICBW: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
[9:00] <offbyone> Okay, I'll give that a shot.
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> offbyone, but if you just want to compile smallish programs then do it directly on the Pi.
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> My BASIC is ~20K lines and takes just over a minute to compile from scratch.
[9:01] <offbyone> I plan to tinker a bit more widely than that.
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> most of the time it's only re-compiling one module though and that's just a handful of seconds.
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> yea, if you have a bigger project, then it might be easier to cross compile...
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[9:02] <gordonDrogon> right time to shower, etc. might wake me up after last nights lack of sleep )-:
[9:03] <gordonDrogon> local post office (5 doors up the street from me) got ram raided at 3am...
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[9:03] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/ramraid.jpg
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[9:15] <Mr_Sheesh> gordonDrogon - Is that RAMraided as in they used a hydraulic ram to break in? Looks like one heck of a mess
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[9:27] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Sheesh, it's a term that was coined some 10-15 years back - the building is rammed by a large vehicle.
[9:27] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Sheesh, in this case they used a landrover.
[9:28] <Mr_Sheesh> Aaah. Brute force attack then. Seen it used near here, guys stole a van and slammed it into a computer store, stole all they could
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[9:28] <gordonDrogon> what they did was to smash the front, go inside, tie some ropes round the cash machine, use the landrover to drag it out where I usspect they thought it would break open (ha!) or they could lift it into the landrover - not realising that they weigh half a tonne...
[9:29] <gordonDrogon> they really were a bunch of amateurs. All they've done is to create a mess without really getting anything at all of value.
[9:30] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramraid
[9:30] <reider59> We had 3 attacks on the same TSB Bank. A wall at first with a cashpoint in but the cashiers desk at that time was directly behind the wall so they had to move it to one side afterwards. Later a strengthened glass window was put in (maybe easier to replace than the wall). the ram raiders went to a shop half a mile awy, dumped the truck and swapped to a waiting car.
[9:31] <reider59> The truck had bull bars on and reinforcement, a winch and all that was necessary to quickly remove the cashpoint.
[9:31] <Gadgetoid> reider59: there's a simple solution to ram raiders??? build your walls out of high explosives
[9:32] <reider59> ....and blow up your staff lol
[9:32] <Gadgetoid> Works for governments, it's known as Mutually Assured Destruction
[9:32] <Lartza> Where can I find the raspbmc images?
[9:33] <Mr_Sheesh> I heard of a case where someone wanted to steal from a fireworks factory...
[9:33] <reider59> <<< was going to say most Govts` deserve blowing up but refrained ;-)
[9:33] <Mr_Sheesh> So they used a cutting torch to cut into the place through a thick steel door...
[9:33] <Gadgetoid> reider59: true, unfortunately it's difficult to separate the government from the country and effectively blow them up
[9:33] <gordonDrogon> I think your common criminal is much less educated than they used to be...
[9:34] <Mr_Sheesh> Not surprisingly the place went up, squashed the thief's vehicle, but didn't kill them. So Police were looking for a temporarily deaf, IDIOT LOL
[9:35] <Gadgetoid> We still celebrate Guy-fawkes night here??? *sigh*
[9:35] <reider59> bring on the postie.....still waiting for my pic frame to make into a RasPi monitor. When my electric bill is paid my next purchase is a nerdkit for electronics inc a 4 line LCD module with a clip that saves soldering.
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[9:36] <reider59> http://www.nerdkits.com/
[9:37] <reider59> That attracts import duty but doesn`t seem a bad price for the whole kit.
[9:38] <Mr_Sheesh> Guy Fawkes wasn't a bright bulb (Old gunpowder "might" never have gone off as it attracts humidity...)
[9:38] <gordonDrogon> the $15 LCD kit?
[9:38] <reider59> No, the $79 one
[9:38] <gordonDrogon> ah.
[9:39] <Gadgetoid> I wonder if I could bring one of those kits back from the states in a suitcase...
[9:39] <Gadgetoid> It seems like a moderately bad idea
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> so it's just a 4-line LCD with USB (serial) interface via an ATmega..
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> seems a bit ... I don't know - dull?
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> guess I'm going to have to connect one directly to a Pi for some more fun though..
[9:40] <reider59> With the breadboard, whatever that thing is called with the dip switches in and a few other little bits
[9:40] <gordonDrogon> need to find a good 3.3v one in the UK.
[9:40] <Lartza> Gosh why does raspbmc have to be different...
[9:41] <Lartza> oh wait no
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> most of them are all 5V though.
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, no idea. I've never used it.
[9:41] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: that's what logic level converters are for?
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[9:41] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I hate all distros that doen't just give you the installer or img since I partition myself :P
[9:41] <Lartza> They would just format the card...
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[9:42] <reider59> If you restrict them to output only its alleged the 5v will work as 3.3. Someone posted an example in the forums where one pin has been set to output mode only when directly connecting it to the RasPi. On the Arduino 5v is OK
[9:43] <Mr_Sheesh> Gadgetoid - if you're bringing anything into the US better to use it in checked baggage than carried luggage, seems?
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yea, but for an 8-bit interface, it add a lot to it.
[9:44] <Gadgetoid> Mr_Sheesh: Into the UK from the US, but yeah it'd be sensible not to carry it as hand luggage
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> reider59, yes, I guess if I power them from 5V but use 3.3v login signals and it's one-way then it might work...
[9:45] <Mr_Sheesh> They hate it when I carry 6-7 palmtops in hand luggage LOL
[9:45] <Lartza> Gosh... what format is the raspbmc partition in?
[9:45] <Lartza> I can't loopback mount the img
[9:45] <Lartza> Want's me to specify the filesystem type
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[9:45] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/lcd/st7565-128x64-graphics-lcd-rgb
[9:46] <Gadgetoid> Don't forget that one!
[9:46] <Gadgetoid> 3.3v power and logic
[9:46] <reider59> If the kit is declared "for research and development" only and clearly marked as such on all paperwork and wrapping there is no import duty. I had that done with all my 4 of 5 USB LCD modules I got for free off CrystalFontz in the US.
[9:46] <Gadgetoid> No need for a RW display on the Pi, it's got a bit of memory spare for a buffer :D
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I'm looking at this: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/basic-20x4-character-lcd-black-on-green-5v-p-144.html
[9:47] <Gadgetoid> reider59: ohrly? cos that would honestly be what my kit is for, except I'm not a company :D I'm researching and developing a lot though!
[9:47] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Woah, you need *all* the pins!
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, the spec. sheet says login 1 is 2.2 volts, so it'll work powered from 5, but using 3.3v logic - as long as you never put it into read mode!
[9:48] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: read mode is pretty pointless on the Pi, which could buffer that display a million times
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, only 11 pins! And I suspect you can put it into 4-bit mode, so only 7 then...
[9:48] <Gadgetoid> that would look nice built into a case and showing status info though :D
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, actually that doesn't have 4-bit mode, so yes, 11 pins...
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> but I do like the 128x64 one you mentioned.
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> I actually have a 128x64 one in-front of me too.
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[9:50] <gordonDrogon> wonder if it's the same one.
[9:50] <Gadgetoid> Shinies, I still haven't got one- I've been too busy with the serial->vga board
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[9:51] <reider59> research and development in the case of CrystalFontz in the US was done by a mere beta tester in the UK who happened to know how to hack their software using a lowly copy of Notepad. not a company but still R&D in order to get all the buttons working plus special features of the modules in line with a new version of the software. Thus aiding the company and its module users and buyers. They just indicated R&D and all Duty was
[9:52] <reider59> and duty was paid then reclaimed from source. the only difference in paying and not paying was the marking of R&D purposes, which does not have to be done by a company, it can be one individual with the required knowledge
[9:52] <Gadgetoid> reider59: interesting??? I still haven't looked into CrystalFontz!
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> it appears to be this: http://arduino.cc/playground/Code/LCD12864
[9:54] <reider59> See page 2 (I think) for reference re the setting of the pins and the wiring used. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=4934
[9:55] <reider59> ref user called "remoraeber"
[9:55] <reider59> page 1 actually
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[9:57] <reider59> Is there a kind of needle soldering iron bit that makes it easier to solder segments placed closely together, such as on an LCD module?
[9:57] * gordonDrogon sighs. Now more noise outside as they secure the post office. and it's raining.
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> reider59, closer than 0.1" ?
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[9:59] <reider59> Mine is pointed and rather good for a cheap iron but still looks huge compared to how close those segments are. I tried a magnifying glass in a really useful helper with two crocodile clips on, tried my glasses on but still not happy soldering them.
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what it is your soldering. standard edge connector stuff is 0.1 inch ..
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[10:01] <reider59> I saw a header that has pins which pass through. Looks good but still they need soldering. In the Nerdkit they use a header that clips on and the wires are simply plugged in, how refreshingly simple lol
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> oh like .... (looks one up)
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=144
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> the sort of edge connector on that?
[10:02] <reider59> Not measured it but the gap between the segments looks about that size, it`s minute really. Even with very little solder on it flows well and I`m wary of it.
[10:02] <reider59> Yes, that looks like it
[10:02] <chaoshax> That's relatively simple.
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[10:03] <chaoshax> If it's SMD then you should be worried.
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> ok - yea, that's standard 0.1" stuff...
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[10:03] <gordonDrogon> get a brighter light, a fine-tip iron and a magnifier...
[10:03] <chaoshax> The best approach is to tin the wires.
[10:04] <chaoshax> Then heat the pad.
[10:04] <Lartza> class 10 sd should be faster than USB right?
[10:04] <Lartza> usb stick
[10:04] <chaoshax> You only need a small amount of solder.
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, only if the Pi supports it... which it doesn't.
[10:04] <reider59> I soldered a 10k pot and that was no hassle, because the three connectors are pretty wide apart
[10:04] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Really? :S
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, well - not properly, but I understand some people have had success.
[10:05] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, What is this not supporting? Not high speeds or not working at all? :S
[10:05] <chaoshax> reider59, It's easier if you put headers on instead of wires.
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, AIUI the Pi doesn't do the 3.3 -> 1.8v switch.
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, I get 20MB/sec out of my SD cards. Good enough for me as most of the stuff I do appears to be cpu bound.
[10:05] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, RPi.GPIO??? anyone used it? (Python)
[10:05] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, But that's over class 10 specification so...
[10:05] <Lartza> ?
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, I'm using class 6 and 4 cards.
[10:06] <Lartza> Interesting
[10:06] <chaoshax> reider59, See this
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I got an email from someome last night about witingPython!
[10:06] <chaoshax> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZkc8GgmVuc
[10:06] <reider59> I`m deffo having the Nerdkit with the clip on header though I will practise my much forgotten soldering skills, or just not used lately-rather than forgotten.
[10:06] <Arch-Cloud> gordonDrogon: thats read though isnt it?
[10:06] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Did they say it was a horrible atrocity and it blew up their Pi?
[10:06] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, What does the 1.8 drop do to SDHC cards?
[10:07] <Lartza> Only UHS needs that to work so it should still work
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[10:08] <Crenn-NAS> Who here reads SMBC?
[10:09] <Lartza> mmcblk0x is the name of the SD right?
[10:10] <Lartza> x = partitino number
[10:10] <Crenn-NAS> You forgot the p
[10:10] <Lartza> hmm
[10:10] <Lartza> gosh what
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[10:12] <Lartza> So is the fat partition 0p1?
[10:12] <reider59> good vid clip that, chaos. Nice and clearly represented
[10:12] <Lartza> And then the next one is 2?
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> heres one I soldered earler... http://unicorn.drogon.net/lcd1.jpg
[10:12] <Crenn-NAS> Lartza: Yep
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[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Arch-Cloud, yes, read. not benchmarked write. don't really care TBH.
[10:12] <reider59> not a heart rife like I heard and read the other day on a clip. heart rife = hard drive
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, no - think he was OK about it.
[10:13] <Arch-Cloud> gordonDrogon: yeah with my class 4 i get around 18
[10:13] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Haha, only *think*? :D
[10:13] <booyaa> do you have to create the config.txt? there isn't one in my debian stock rpi image
[10:13] <Lartza> booyaa, Yes if you need it
[10:13] <Arch-Cloud> or it was my class 10...i forget....im old :P
[10:13] <Lartza> booyaa, Some distros have it some not
[10:13] <booyaa> ah okay cheers
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> is it just me or do all UKians collapse in laughter when we hear americans talking about soldering ...
[10:14] <booyaa> :D
[10:14] <booyaa> that and routing
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, yea, routing :)
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[10:15] <gordonDrogon> I spent 2.5 years working in the US onceuponatime...
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Was it an email from Ben Croston?
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> it really irritated me that I was expected to know all about the differences in language, yet when they visited us in the UK they'd not bothered...
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, no.
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> As he'd probably give it some scorn :D
[10:16] <reider59> <<< have a volkswagon van moneybox on my desk now, thanks to Mums visit. I now realise I simply must have the Delboy 3 wheeler moneybox I saw, would look cool on the desk with the VW.
[10:16] <chaoshax> Are we allowed to say crumpet?
[10:16] <reider59> A new collection begins.....
[10:16] <Lartza> Yes! My card is listed as compatible by some guy atleast :)
[10:17] <Lartza> Class 10 that is
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, keith wright - he's previously emailed about wiringPi...
[10:17] <reider59> Can we say row locks?
[10:17] * booyaa played it safe and picked one he knew was compatible
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> Mmmm crumpet with butter dripping over..
[10:17] <booyaa> i'm currently samsung'd along with the power supply which i found under my work desk
[10:17] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm eating cookies, and your talk of crumpets still makes me hungry
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[10:18] <reider59> We had those toasted tea cakes at the weekend, just knew Mum would have to get cheese to put on them
[10:18] <booyaa> pro-tip check your work desks for out of date phone chargers! you may have a micro usb one! :D
[10:18] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: haha, I just looked in my box o' everything
[10:19] <reider59> my son sent me a parcel, if it`s not electronics I hope it`s a new virtual plane for my collection in FSX
[10:20] <reider59> << got 60 gig + of planes and airports
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> simulated :)
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[10:21] <chaoshax> If you get good at electronics, join me at fpv.
[10:21] <booyaa> first person voltaging?
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> going to connect up that display - 16x2. it's a 5V display, but I'm going to see if it'll run at 3.3 on the login side.
[10:21] <chaoshax> Na it's first person video.
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> *logic side.
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[10:21] <reider59> oh yes, but many of our forum members are real world pilots and prefer the detailed system FSX has to there multi million pound trainers
[10:22] <chaoshax> Where you control rc planes through a camera :)
[10:22] <chaoshax> It's cheaper than the real thing but as close as you can get.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> I was a real world pilot once...
[10:22] <reider59> FSX, though dated now, is superb!
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> got my PPL then ran out of money to keep it up )-:
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[10:23] <booyaa> chaoshax: wow! :)
[10:24] <booyaa> ages ago we're talking easily over 15-18 years ago
[10:24] <reider59> I`d debate getting a Microlight if I won the lottery, but not the open one. It`s a miniature plane in effect. That or the FoxBat and maybe buy a property with a large field where I can get permission to use it......
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> running out of breadboards.
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[10:24] <booyaa> sega added cameras to rc cars and allow you to seat in booths to drive them
[10:24] <booyaa> planes sound like a lot more fun :D
[10:24] <chaoshax> Probably did but it was expensive.
[10:24] <chaoshax> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-B2yfmU89k
[10:25] <reider59> The Foxbat will take off and land in just a few short yards if necessary
[10:27] <reider59> According to aviation law with a few short lessons you can fly your Microlight within an 11 mile radius of your base. With a full Microlight Licence the restriction is later lifted and marked on the licence. typical price of a brand new Microlight is in the region of ??30,000
[10:28] <reider59> I think the Foxbat was ??36,000
[10:29] <chaoshax> Sounds great fun if you can afford it.
[10:29] <chaoshax> I will just stick with FPV.
[10:29] <reider59> Theres a video some place of a drone plane operated by a RasPi
[10:29] <chaoshax> Where?
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[10:30] <reider59> see if I can find it
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[10:31] <chaoshax> Most of the drones are operated using arduino or some chinese junk.
[10:32] <reider59> Just noticed in searching for the drone, part 3 of MagPi is out and the ladder game is in it......
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[10:34] <chaoshax> Damn it, got to do a ninja dump as the postie isere
[10:35] <booyaa> ninja dump?
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[10:36] <reider59> Re Drone Plane. Not a vid clip but an aricle and details, very interesting and excellent usage, possibilities.......http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/12/raspberry_pi_drone/
[10:36] <reider59> *article
[10:37] <reider59> MagPi issue 3......http://www.raspberrypi.org/#p37566
[10:38] <chaoshax> reider59, Thank you!
[10:38] <reider59> NP, I love stuff like that too
[10:39] <chaoshax> I wonder if mail companies will start using them for far away locations
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[10:40] <booyaa> is there a wiki page that shows how i wire up a 4 x aa battery pack?
[10:40] <booyaa> i've got the pack/holder and wires, would like to know where i connect it to
[10:40] <chaoshax> booyaa, I think you just need to connect it to the 5v header.
[10:40] <chaoshax> And ground ofc.
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[10:41] <reider59> Possible, the postie has to use a boat, drive to secluded areas then walk the rest of the way with some locations. Taking hours for some letters....
[10:41] <Gadgetoid> 4*1.5 != 5?
[10:41] <Lartza> How can I test the sd card speed?
[10:41] <booyaa> 5v header? on this diagram where is it?
[10:41] <booyaa> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[10:41] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: see the wiki!
[10:41] <Mr_Sheesh> Last I checked 4 * 1.5 == 6, Gadgetoid
[10:41] <Gadgetoid> Mr_Sheesh: I thought as much...
[10:41] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: got a specific url?
[10:41] <chaoshax> Gadgetoid, Yep but if they are low, like 1.2 V then he might be OK
[10:42] <Gadgetoid> I don't deal with "might"
[10:42] <booyaa> will prolly check with my local hackspace how to avoid frying stuff :D
[10:42] <Gadgetoid> 9v and a 5v reg, or no dice!
[10:42] <chaoshax> But yeah you shouldn't use anything >5.2 really.
[10:42] <booyaa> suer i've got to put soemthing in front of it
[10:42] <vjacob> hiya. just received my pi from farrell. any one have any ideas whether or not a USB cable (and therefore like a hub) is absolutely necessary to power up the Pi?
[10:42] <booyaa> ah i've got a 9v ppa batt could use that instead
[10:42] <vjacob> (or if alternatives exist...)
[10:42] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: http://elinux.org/images/2/2a/GPIOs.png
[10:42] <Gadgetoid> Specific enough for you?
[10:42] <Da|Mummy> do you need a power cable to power your desktop?
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> right. 16x2 LDC hooked into Pi... Now to write some software for it...
[10:42] <Gadgetoid> :D
[10:42] <booyaa> thanks Gadgetoid!
[10:42] <vjacob> aye, ok. thanks
[10:43] <Mr_Sheesh> vjacob - Well how are you planning to power it then?
[10:43] <reider59> I don`t use a hub but can if I wish. It all depends on what you plug into it and its power rating.
[10:43] <vjacob> ok
[10:43] <Gadgetoid> You'll need a good reg, capable of outputting >=1A
[10:43] <vjacob> thank you.
[10:43] <chaoshax> But you can also get those DC/DC converters that can step up and step down
[10:43] <chaoshax> Forgotten what they are called but they are a bit expensive.
[10:44] <Gadgetoid> This would probably drive the PI okay: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/voltage-regulator-mc7805
[10:44] <Gadgetoid> With a 9v input, a couple of decoupling caps and a slide switch for extra bonus
[10:44] <booyaa> --- snip ---
[10:44] <reider59> With at least one of my experiments (long term, not yet) I need to reduce the amount and size of hardware I use so I`m starting with the minimum now.
[10:44] <booyaa> thanks again guys
[10:44] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: Whatever you do, don't forget to add a reset button :D
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[10:45] <booyaa> could that just be a push to make button?
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[10:46] <booyaa> between the +5 wire between the battery pack and the header?
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[10:46] * booyaa is waiting for his beginners electronics course to start at his local hackspace
[10:46] <Gadgetoid> I'd go for a push to break??? not sure it's good practise to short the battery for any length of time
[10:47] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: I could probably use a beginners course, too, so much you can't really self teach
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[10:48] <reider59> <<<< Putting electronics starter links together on my local RasPi Forum
[10:48] <reider59> Some point to Gordons` pages too
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[10:52] <Lartza> How would I test SD card speed atleast somehow well?
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[10:53] <Draylor> you wouldnt, but hdparm -tT /dev/whateveritis is about the least bad 1 liner
[10:54] <Gabrial> Odd.... I just disabled AC3 pass through cause I was sure the tv couldn't handle it, and instead of flipping out the videos playing just fine with the pi decoding it? .-.
[10:54] <Lartza> crap...
[10:54] <Lartza> for some reason my / is read only now
[10:55] <Gabrial> remount it rw
[10:55] <super_gollum> what about simple dd to sd card?
[10:55] <Lartza> Gabrial, I am failing with that mount -o remoun,rw /dev/mmcblk0p2
[10:56] <Lartza> *remount
[10:56] <Lartza> Cannot change data mode on remount
[10:56] <Meatballs> I hate it when the postie comes and I'm still in my pyjamas
[10:57] <Gabrial> mount -o remount,rw /
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[10:57] <Lartza> Gabrial, Nope
[10:58] <Lartza> I have to remove data=writeback from my Desktop...
[10:58] <reider59> No chance of that here. Lately our new postie has been coming around 11:30am but we go through them really fast here for some reason and it`s not unknown to get the mail at 3:45pm.
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[10:59] <reider59> Funny though, they`re never late on a Saturday......
[10:59] <Gabrial> I also hate the fact that this hotel is sharing an apparently 1Mb/s connection for all their guests. -sighs-
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[10:59] <reider59> I get my speed doubled for free on Virgin this month, just reminded me
[11:00] <Meatballs> you had to pay for this too Gabrial ?
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[11:00] <Gabrial> No, free.
[11:00] <Gabrial> So I suppose I have no right to complain.
[11:00] <Meatballs> ah, at least thats a bonus
[11:00] <reider59> from this month not just for this month
[11:00] <Meatballs> ?120 a night hotel in london and the internet not even free of charge
[11:00] <Meatballs> but goto a coffee shop around the corner...
[11:01] <Meatballs> reider59, same here, heard rumour apparently 10mb > 30mb though if you have superhub up and running, as thats what the next price point is gonna be
[11:01] <j0nnymoe> hope my replacement pi arrives today
[11:01] <Gabrial> I wish my internet company would double my speeds for free. lol
[11:01] <the_cuckoo> lrvick: hi - thanks for the help yesterday regarding my hdmi amp issue - all working now :)
[11:01] <Gabrial> It'd be nice to have 14Mb/s at home
[11:01] <reider59> Come here for ??50 a night and you can have the net free, I`ll even make sure the dog doesn`t bite you lol
[11:02] <chaoshax> 100mbit for me soon :D
[11:02] <Lartza> awww
[11:02] <Lartza> uboot fails to start
[11:02] <chaoshax> Luckily I don't live in a student area so I will probably actually get it
[11:02] <Lartza> I just get the splash screen...
[11:02] <Veryevil> it doesnt ouput to the display
[11:03] <Veryevil> uboot only outputs on the UART header
[11:03] <Lartza> :O
[11:03] <Veryevil> you will need a uut -> RS232 converter to see it
[11:03] <Veryevil> ttl -> RS232
[11:03] <Lartza> hrmpfh
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[11:04] <Lartza> http://kernelnomicon.org/ this one?
[11:04] <Lartza> mhh
[11:04] <Lartza> I want a boot menu
[11:04] <Veryevil> feel free to write a frame buffer driver i guess
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[11:04] <Lartza> How much does a ttl rs232 adapter cost?
[11:04] <Veryevil> not umuch
[11:04] <Veryevil> you in the uk?
[11:04] <Lartza> No
[11:04] <Veryevil> Where then?
[11:04] <Lartza> Finland
[11:05] <Gabrial> I should setup my pi with Raspbian and try to do some network mapping/hacking with it, but I'm thinking it's not worth it to get my pi flagged too. xD
[11:05] <Lartza> Not sure where I can onnect from the adapter though? :S
[11:05] <chaoshax> Where would you recommend to get one in the UK? Just reminded me that I need to get one as well
[11:05] <Lartza> Where does the RS232 connect then? :D
[11:05] <Lartza> In my PC
[11:05] <Veryevil> well i made y own but there a a few places you could get one.
[11:06] <Lartza> serial port?
[11:06] <reider59> To be honest I quite like Virgin. I had Freeserve and was quite happy with that til it changed hands. I went to BT and all their promises of free internet in town didn`t materialise, no matter the claims to the contrary on TV. They immediatelly demanded more money the first month because I`d exceeded the guideline limits on upload/download, though I don`t know how because I`d always managed on a much smaller throughput from F
[11:06] <Lartza> Veryevil, What is RS23?
[11:06] <Lartza> *232
[11:06] <reider59> the bill early and their wasn`t enough funds to cover it. Moving to Virgin I`ve had no hassle in a year and a half, throughput is no problem and as I say the speed will double.
[11:06] <Meatballs> whenever I get a price rise I use it as a prompt to renegotiate my contract down
[11:07] <Lartza> I mean what are the possibilites to connect it to?
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[11:07] <Gabrial_> Bah that's getting annoying.
[11:07] <Veryevil> yah the converter takes the 3.3v signals from the pi and makes it work with the + - 12v signals of the computer serial port
[11:07] <Veryevil> or to usb
[11:07] <Lartza> Veryevil, I don't have a serial port yeah /
[11:07] <Lartza> So I would need USB
[11:07] <Lartza> Or VGA :P
[11:07] <Lartza> ;)
[11:08] <Dagger2> Lartza: eBay? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/130599133359 etc
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[11:08] <Gabrial_> Apparently every 6 hours now I have to agree to a "ToS" that basically says i won't try and hack the network xD
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[11:09] <Veryevil> Dagger2: that looks prertty good
[11:09] <Dagger2> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/120910606148 is more like the one I have
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[11:10] <Dagger2> ... I have no idea why eBay UK is giving me that listing, considering that it's priced in dollars and the worldwide shipping on it excludes the UK
[11:10] <chaoshax> Weird.
[11:10] <Veryevil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170865364200
[11:10] <Veryevil> thats a uk onw
[11:10] <Veryevil> one
[11:11] <chaoshax> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-To-RS232-TTL-PL2303HX-Auto-Converter-Module-Converter-Adapter-5V-3-3V-Output-/180836792643?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item2a1ab67943
[11:11] <Dagger2> ??4.70!
[11:11] <Veryevil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=USB+to+TTL&LH_PrefLoc=1
[11:11] <Lartza> chaoshax, That's expensive one ;)
[11:11] <Jck_true> Lartza: If you trust DealExtreme they got one for 9USD
[11:11] <Jck_true> http://dx.com/p/usb-to-uart-5-pin-cp2102-module-serial-converter-81872?item=1
[11:11] <chaoshax> Lartza, ?1.50.
[11:11] <Lartza> Jck_true, I do trus but ebay 1.53 pounds :)
[11:11] <chaoshax> That's not bad!
[11:11] <Dagger2> anyway, yeah, eBay is the place to get this sort of stuff
[11:11] <reider59> I have to publish the accounts and assets of our photography club later. I`ll most likely use Exel. Then I need to type out the minutes of the last meeting, which was a pre AGM meeting to discuss dates and details. I`ll most likely do this in Word. If anyone has any experience of this can I save it in some format that people who do not have "Office" or similar can read them?
[11:12] <Lartza> chaoshax, Sorry I meant the Veryevil one
[11:12] <reider59> We`ve reach grant status now so everything has to be done properly, not notes on bits of paper
[11:12] <chaoshax> Can you use ISP to program arduino?
[11:12] <Veryevil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271001542438 cheapest UK one for ??3.35
[11:12] <Dagger2> reider59: do it in OpenOffice instead
[11:12] <Dagger2> uh... LibreOffice now?
[11:13] <reider59> ahh and that`s readable by all?
[11:13] <chaoshax> I believe you can output in the excel formati iirc
[11:13] <Meatballs> open office or w/e can read .doc as well?
[11:13] <Gabrial_> Anyone know of a good wifi adapter with master/monitor/manage mode and preferably is one of those so called "nano" adapters?
[11:13] <Meatballs> pdf is generally the best for final product though
[11:13] <Dagger2> well, LibreOffice is available to all, so they can just get it... plus it can save to PDF, so you can publish that instead
[11:13] <Meatballs> as long as no-one needs to make changes to it
[11:14] <reider59> I know what I`ll do. I`ll produce them on my main machine and either take them upstairs to one of the others or uninstall Office on the laptop and test that way before I email them and provide the necessary printouts
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[11:15] <Jck_true> Gabrial_: http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=faq&DokuWiki=e465f22a33e474289dca39446f951e1a#what_is_the_best_wireless_card_to_buy
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[11:15] <Gabrial_> Any of those known to work with the Pi? lol
[11:15] <Jck_true> Gabrial_: I got a RTL8187L USB wifi - But it's in a big external case - worth checking if you can find it in smaller packages.
[11:16] <reider59> As far as I read, we cannot change what was said but merely record the highlights, not the full content. then the following week we print any changes as changes only, the resulting document then becomes the final document and must be marked as such.
[11:16] <Jck_true> Gabrial_: My RTL8187L USB worked for me
[11:16] <Gabrial_> I suppose a nano adapter wouldn't be best if I decided I wanted to go with AP mode
[11:17] <Jck_true> I got an 2800mW adapter :P So it needs a pretty strong usb hub :P
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[11:19] <reider59> I told them it may be an idea to word into our Constitution that on stepping foot out of the premises to go on a photography trip people agree that this is at their own risk and subject to there own insurance. We keep cables well out of the way behind desks in the Community centre so we will just try to get contents only insurance. It`s only a small club and a huge insurance bill would cripple us.
[11:20] <Gabrial_> See what I was thinking about doing is trying to make a little mini portable Pi router, see how it works. Something I could plug in to a network via ethernet and use the wifi or vice versa, that way I could always have a protective barrier between me and whatever is being connected to. lol
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[11:24] <reider59> Sounds like a gateway. I once needed WiFi access but had no router so I added one to the network LAN that had WiFi and turned off its own internet login. It became a gateway and my normal gateway access was at 192.168.0.1 with the other router set as a gateway at 192.168.0.100 so I could remember it and get to it. therefore anything using its WiFi access then became part of my network LAN and used its internet connection. Tu
[11:24] <reider59> k LAN
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[11:24] <Lartza> Oh my fucking god...
[11:24] <Lartza> raspbmc just formatted my card
[11:24] <Lartza> What the hell
[11:25] <Dagger2> that doesn't sound like a gateway
[11:25] <Gabrial_> Yea...
[11:25] <Dagger2> that sounds like a wireless bridge
[11:25] <Gabrial_> it does that.
[11:25] <Gabrial_> Yea it would be more of a wireless bridge.
[11:25] <Lartza> Gosh then...
[11:25] <Lartza> screw raspbmc
[11:25] <reider59> oops meant a bridge and the main router as a gateway
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[11:25] <Lartza> raspbian+oepenelec xbmc it is then
[11:25] <Gabrial_> raspbmc formates the entire card so it can use all of it.
[11:25] <Gabrial_> formats*
[11:26] <Lartza> Yeah well
[11:26] <Lartza> Yeah
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> Hm. LDC driver isn't working from Pi.
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> *LCD.
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> coffee then check wiring...
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[11:29] <reider59> I think that again was on the BT Internet and they supplied the non WiFi router. So I bridged it because you had to set their router to allow WiFi access to other users in the area so you could use it free in town and other areas. I set it in such a way that it looked like access was there but nobody could actually use it but me because it was bridged WiFi and I could turn it off any time I wished without upsetting the rest of
[11:29] <reider59> Then turn it on as and when I wished to use it.
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[11:32] <Gabrial_> Could of just used Mac filtering? lol
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[11:35] <reider59> I had Mac filtering on with the Bridged Router but turned it off anyway as only my laptop needed WiFi. the rest of the house I cabled up long ago with network plug in points in most every room. I have a spell where I go turning off all standby units. all the upstairs, via a hub is off now as I sleep downstairs
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[11:38] <Gabrial_> That seems a really weird thing to do...
[11:39] <Gabrial_> Mmm... now to try and figure out how I can insert my pfsense vm between my computer and the rest of the world then I could skip the whole Pi router thingy xD
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[11:42] <reider59> New problem, different ISP now, damaged spinal nerves means I sleep downstairs so th erouter is here in the same room. Mac addressing is on and I wish to keep it on but cannot find the so and so TV Mac address to allow its internet usage. I have other ways to get it but it just bugs me. Can`t see it on a badge anywhere on the back or in the screen settings. I`ll have to dig out the book and see if its in there.
[11:42] <reider59> LG TV
[11:43] <Gabrial_> connect it to the internet
[11:43] <Gabrial_> grab the mac address from the router
[11:43] <reider59> It is connected but I cannot see the Mac Address in the router
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> reider59, why not just use wpa2+ ?
[11:45] <Gabrial_> That seems odd, doesn't the router have some sort of LAN table connecting IPs to that mac address?
[11:45] <reider59> I just like the feeling of security with the Mac addressing
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[11:46] <gordonDrogon> reider59, you know MACs can be spoofed though?
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[11:46] <gordonDrogon> all you need is something that makes it marginally harder for anyone to use than the one next door...
[11:46] <reider59> It seems to indicate something has tried to connect but doesn`t show any Mac address. Yes, I spoofed one or two myself. But this area is a one road in/out large court, not a main road so not too much of a problem.
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> so if everyone in the street has wpa2, then the chances of anyone picking your is slim..
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[11:48] <gordonDrogon> right back to my LCD. it flickers when I send it the initialisation commands, so something is happening...
[11:48] <reider59> Oh no! the postman just went past, no mail, no parcel!
[11:49] <reider59> unless it comes on the van ;-)
[11:49] <reider59> at least no bills lol
[11:50] <RITRedbeard> mornin
[11:50] <super_gollum> perhaps he now goes around the corner: "MUAHAHAAHA, MY PRECIOUS RPI"
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[11:51] <reider59> No, I have a gift coming from my son but I`m also waiting for a photo frame to hack and use as a monitor for the RasPi. Dying to get started on it
[11:51] <super_gollum> someone already got farther with the dsi interface + lcd ?
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> dsi?
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> I have an LCD connected directly to the GPIO pins - trying to get it working now...
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> super_gollum: there is no spec as to how to enable the DSI screen in the datasheet.
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> It's at this time quite impossible to use the DSI or CSI connectors.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> Oh, that's the on-board screen thingy?
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> the camera one is working.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> The RPi foundation folks have drivers for it..
[11:55] <reider59> I had a ??50 Asda voucher taken by the PO and a Fathers Day card opened recently. Just saw the postie double back then and post me another card from my son, a BD card and that`s open too but wasn`t stuck down.
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> postie hates you... what did you do to upset him?
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> our posties are ok. the shelter & sort stuff in my (covered) alleyway.
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> when it's raining.
[11:57] <reider59> I tell them to shut the effing gate, lazy so and so`s. I walk with a stick and have this thing about a gate being closed should remain closed when you go out again.
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> CSI camera stuff here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=43
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> put a spring on it.
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[11:58] <reider59> I reported a bloke who came cold calling, from the power companies. Said I walk with a stick and have breathing problems, I have a sign on the door that plainly tells them no cold calling. When I phoned his company they sent me a cheque for ??25 lol
[11:58] <reider59> I love cold callers now
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[11:59] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: As far as I know, they are not generic drivers, and they've not released them yet.
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[12:00] <SpeedEvil> If they are being released as binary blobs, compatible only with the camera they picked - it's a lot less interesting.
[12:00] <reider59> These are exciting times. As more and more people get a RasPi more ideas, inventions, programming, tricks will emerge and be able to be used by all.
[12:01] <RITRedbeard> anyone present have lapdock? I'm having bit of a problem
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> To the limit of what the documents provided by the Pi foundation and broadcom permit.
[12:01] <reider59> I`ve seen many articles on using the lapdock and setting it up
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, Ah, ok. I'd only skimmed the forum.
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[12:02] <reider59> In Rip Off Britain the price of the Lapdock rises a wee bit too much
[12:03] <super_gollum> yes, i read about the spec problems
[12:03] <super_gollum> just thought that someone already had success trying dsi+lcd
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[12:04] <nokia> hi
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[12:25] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Maybe I can't "get away" with using it at 3.3v )-:
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> however I now have 2 conflicting documents for the same display. One says 0.8* Vdd, the other says 2.8v.
[12:28] <dutchfish> hi, what are my changes, to get hw acceleration and h264 working and OpenGl in the raspi debian wheezy image, any links welcome.
[12:29] <RITRedbeard> reider59, I know. My problem is besides not having HDMI cable for the lapdock yet, I'm not sure how it turns "on"
[12:29] <netman87> Performing self-update
[12:29] <netman87> /boot/start.elf doesn't exist.
[12:29] <RITRedbeard> I tried powering from lapdock's USB and HDMI-ing to television but nothing
[12:29] <dutchfish> hi, what are my changes, to get hw acceleration and h264 working and OpenGl in the raspi debian wheezy image, any links welcome.
[12:30] <dutchfish> sorry for the duplicate post.
[12:30] <Aldasa> for h264 vids you need omxplayer
[12:31] <dutchfish> Aldase, ok noted. And OpenGl or hw 3d acc.?
[12:33] <Aldasa> afaik there is no X driver yet.
[12:33] <dutchfish> ok, fair enough.
[12:34] <quintet> gpu accelerated x would be a big step if it finally happened
[12:34] <dutchfish> is it planned some day? or are myoption virtually nill?
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[12:34] <nanomad> Well, if someone is willing to write the GPU driver...
[12:34] <muep> even just working software-only opengl would be nice
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> now the street is crawling with cops..
[12:35] <nanomad> muep you got OpenGL ES, the GPU isn't built with OpenGL in mind
[12:35] <phire> there is a working software only opengl
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> well, quake3 seems to work OK and it's an OpenGL ES application...
[12:35] <phire> otherwise glxgears wouldn't run at all in x
[12:35] <muep> nanomad: opengl ES 2.0 would not be much different from the modern subset of opengl 2.1
[12:36] <nanomad> Still a subset
[12:36] <reider59> RitRedbeard: You probably already read it but give this forum link the once over again to see if it helps with the Lapdock problem.....http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6747
[12:36] <muep> and I'd be very happy with just that, anyway
[12:36] <nanomad> You already have OpenGL ES muep, just recompile linking against that
[12:36] <nanomad> (and do code changes where needed of course)
[12:37] <dutchfish> ok, thanks guys, i x my thumbs for that in the hope there will be future solution, i can wait, but i would love to see it some day. Thank to all.
[12:37] <muep> I took a look at the demos in the debian image, the opengl system seems to work very differently from mesa
[12:37] <muep> like in that you can run it without X at all
[12:37] <nanomad> yes
[12:37] <muep> and in that it still directs my input to whatever was visible before I launch the demo
[12:37] <nanomad> it runs on top of a framebuffer too (it's for embedded devices after all)
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[12:38] <reider59> one here too.....http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=8670
[12:38] <muep> a more usual GNU/Linux stack would be nice, and likely what we'd have if there ever are decent free drivers for the GPU
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[12:38] <muep> mesa already supports OpenGL ES, too
[12:39] <nanomad> Go talk with TI
[12:39] <nanomad> they are not "linux best friend"
[12:39] <nanomad> :P
[12:42] <`z> mesa mesa
[12:42] <`z> black mesa
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[12:44] <RITRedbeard> yeah I think my lapdock might be broken, I did buy it second hand
[12:44] <dutchfish> oh want to report that the wireless Logitech K400 keyboard with embedded touchpad works out of the box with the usb dongle connected to the rapsi and his hot pluggable. It draws just around 80 milliamps. Nice for wireless robototics.
[12:45] <RITRedbeard> no matter the configuration, won't send power to the device
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[12:49] <dutchfish> my pastebin of dmesg http://paste.debian.net/177517/
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[12:51] <dutchfish> my lsusb -v http://paste.debian.net/177520/
[12:54] <dutchfish> (at the time of the dump i was expirimenting with an extra wheelmouse)
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[12:57] <reider59> thanks dutchfish, I was considering that as a future purchase for a long term project.
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[12:58] <dutchfish> reider59, ah nice.
[12:58] <reider59> Got to get my Nerdkit first though lol
[12:58] <dutchfish> ;)
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[12:59] <dutchfish> reider59, next on my list is a capacitor array, for my next mobile expiriment. As a PSU.
[13:00] <dutchfish> reider59, it must be leightweight.
[13:00] <reider59> It`s good to have a list of lots of things you want to try out
[13:00] <dutchfish> a responder on raspi (airballoon)
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[13:01] <reider59> for some reason my sub concious keeps pushing morse code into my mind too. Maybe a program that reads a morse code signal and converts it into text/speech.
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[13:02] <dutchfish> reider59, hah, i am just learning morse atm, but i am more thinking of a responder with wlan access as a webserver in the sky.
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[13:03] <reider59> Iused to do morse as a sea cadet but long forgotten
[13:03] <reider59> *I used to
[13:03] <dutchfish> nice
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[13:06] <ReggieUK> you need a text to morse converter
[13:06] <reider59> I may program some icao codes for airports too. So I can select routes to/from EGCC-Manchester, EGCB-Barton, EGGP-Liverpool, EGNJ-Humberside, EHAM-Amsterdam etc. bugs my son because I remember so many lol
[13:07] <reider59> We use them in our flight sims to program routes
[13:07] <dutchfish> cool
[13:08] <reider59> get them to show up on an LCD Module
[13:08] <dutchfish> reider59, are you a ham operator as well?
[13:08] <reider59> no, but contemplated it
[13:08] <dutchfish> ok
[13:09] <reider59> I have an airband radio here and love it to death. Sat in my front room listening to a pilot at 30,000 feet overhead really does it for me......
[13:09] <netman87> hmm i did download some debian image for RPi
[13:09] <reider59> I put a booster aerial in the window too lol
[13:10] <dutchfish> reider59, you could also in fldigi, morse (debian packages) and/or websdr if you don't have equipm. yourself.
[13:10] <netman87> and i see there is /boot/[kernel files] and /mnt/boot/[firmware & loader]
[13:10] <reider59> So many avenues to explore with the Pi, good times
[13:10] * dutchfish nods
[13:11] <reider59> ....best put these choc bourbons away, so moorish
[13:12] <chaoshax> Is anyone working on a realtime OS?
[13:12] <netman87> how does RPi boot work with debian?
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[13:12] <Joshun> just tested fluxbox on the pi
[13:12] <netman87> i mean which files it uses and in which order
[13:12] <Joshun> runs so much faster than lxde
[13:12] <dutchfish> netman87, it works at least the wheezy image is stable enough to work with.
[13:13] <netman87> dutchfish: yeah i did download one with different kernel
[13:13] <netman87> but it seems that its not so nice but i dont wanna go and take SD card and make new
[13:14] <netman87> so im trying to figure out how this is mean to work
[13:14] <dutchfish> work what?
[13:15] <netman87> root@raspberrypi:/# ls /boot/
[13:15] <netman87> System.map-3.2.21-rpi1+ config-3.2.21-rpi1+ config.txt vmlinuz-3.2.21-rpi1+
[13:15] <netman87> root@raspberrypi:/# ls /mnt/boot
[13:15] <netman87> arm128_start.elf arm224_start.elf cmdline.txt kernel_cutdown.img loader.bin
[13:15] <netman87> arm192_start.elf bootcode.bin kernel.img kernel_emergency.img start.elf
[13:15] <ReggieUK> stop
[13:15] <ReggieUK> pastebin time
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[13:15] <netman87> ReggieUK: it was just 5 rows...
[13:15] <ReggieUK> in hindsight I can see that
[13:15] <dutchfish> netman87, use pastebin, but if i get your right, you want to now how the bootloader works?
[13:16] <phire> bootcode.bin > loader.bin > start.elf (all running on the gpu)
[13:17] <phire> then start.elf loads kernel.img onto the arm processer
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[13:20] <Pitel> why is `sudo mount /dev/sda1 usb` not working? sda1 is the flash drive ext4 partition, usb is the directory I want to mount it to. It seems stuck.
[13:21] <dutchfish> Pitel, have you tried -t ext4 option?
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> cops now doing door to door - I suspect they won't learn anything more than the did last night...
[13:22] <Dyskette> gordonDrogon, what happened?
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> oh, local post office 4 doors up from me was ram raided at 3am this morning.
[13:22] <netman87> okey so /boot on image im using is just files that arent used during boot
[13:22] <booyaa> good grief
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/ramraid.jpg
[13:23] <reider59> Woo hoo!!!! Found the Mac Address of my LG TV. I doublechecked and the Mac Address wasn`t listed in the router with the TV switched on and even when I attempted to use the network. It`s also not on a badge at the back or in the settings anywhere. On the net it said open a command prompt (DOS Box) and ping the LAN IP of the TV to make sure it is connected. I did this with 192.168.0.99 and all was well. Next I typed in arp -
[13:23] <booyaa> reider59: \o/
[13:23] <reider59> the Mac Addresses. Paydirt!!!!!
[13:23] <Dyskette> Huh. Desperate times, I suppose.
[13:23] <dutchfish> netman87, wrong
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> yea, but these muppets didn't seem to know that (a) a cash machine has an internal safe and (b) they're stupidly heavy!
[13:24] <netman87> dutchfish: im pretty sure they arent used at all
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> that red thing in the foreground of the photo is the cash machine.
[13:24] <netman87> kernel need to be loaded before ext4 can be mounted
[13:24] <Dyskette> Yeah, but that's hardly common knowledge.
[13:24] <booyaa> i can't wait for my power nap... had only a few hours sleep last night 9_9
[13:24] <Dyskette> And if you're possessing of a good deal of common sense, you're not likely to be raiding post offices in the first instance.
[13:24] <dutchfish> netman87, /boot as it names suggests is used on boot, and the files in there are being used then.
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> the trail of debris is what followd it out of the PO when they dragged it out with a landrover...
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[13:25] <netman87> dutchfish: so image im using have "real" /boot is mounted at /mnt/boot
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, yea, well we were woken at 3, then again at 6 when the recovery truck came to pickup the cash machine with a crane...
[13:25] <ReggieUK> it's been common knowledge for ages that they have internal safes
[13:25] <netman87> so /mnt/boot = vfat where loader and kernel etc etc are and /boot is just trash on /
[13:25] <dutchfish> netman87, fdisk -l shows you the partitions and mount points by mount
[13:25] <netman87> yeah i know
[13:26] <netman87> i was just thinking why i had /boot where was just kernel + kernel config
[13:26] <dutchfish> netman87, since the images have a separate /boot mountpoint they have tere own stansas.
[13:27] <netman87> but okey it was just folder where creator of that image did push kernel files before converting it to kernel image
[13:27] <dutchfish> netman87, /boot could be inside /, but that would be harder to contruct the images.
[13:27] <Dyskette> ReggieUK, not amongst the sort likely to attempt to knock over a cash machine
[13:27] <ReggieUK> really?
[13:27] <ReggieUK> so criminals wouldn't have any clue about what they're attempting to do?
[13:28] <netman87> so i can simply delete files on /boot and change /mnt/boot to mount at /boot
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[13:28] <ReggieUK> I know, I'll use a spoon, that'll get the cash out ;)
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[13:28] <dutchfish> netman87, if you alter the partition tables the correct way, in theory, yes, but why you want to do that?
[13:28] <Joshun> netman87 - the GPU probably doesn't understand ext4, which is why it is on a fat32 partition
[13:28] <Dyskette> ReggieUK, oh sure there are sensible criminals. They'd tend not to have a modus operandi that involves driving a vehicle into something to try and smack it open.
[13:29] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: I'll see your probably and raise you a definitely :D
[13:29] <Dyskette> ReggieUK, then there are desperate people grasping at straws. That's the sort likely to try and roll over a cash machine, when it's far from an ideal target.
[13:29] <Gadgetoid> Also the GPU has no concept of /boot
[13:29] <Joshun> why does the GPU carry out the bootstrapping process though, and not some other chip
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[13:30] <ReggieUK> sure but it doesn't stop that information being common knowledge
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[13:30] <mjr> because it's the main processor on the pi :]
[13:30] <ReggieUK> however, i would accept that whoever did it is pretty stupid
[13:30] <Dyskette> If it were, attempting to knock over a cash machine wouldn't be so common.
[13:30] <Gadgetoid> Adding an additional chip solely for the purpose of booting wouldn't do the BOM many favours :D
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[13:31] <RITRedbeard> ah, HDMI has to be connected for Atrix Lapdock for all USB ports to supply current.
[13:31] <RITRedbeard> Makes sense.
[13:31] <RITRedbeard> I suspected that was the case.
[13:31] <Gadgetoid> RITRedbeard: ???. yeah??? no wait, wtf?
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[13:32] <Gadgetoid> Although during normal operation that would be the case on the lapdock, so I guess it's not too crazy
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[13:32] <netman87> Joshun: yeah i understand that it want to boot from vfat and did see that there was right files on /boot so i did try to figure out how it boot but i did already understand and there is nothing needed at /boot but on different mount point
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[13:34] <dutchfish> netman87, in theorie, you could boot from / with raspi when the whole system resides on fat32, but i doubt that would be progress.
[13:34] <Joshun> it probably wouldn't work with a linux filesystem
[13:34] <Joshun> it definitely wouldn't
[13:34] <Gadgetoid> I don't see the problem in having a fat boot partition?
[13:34] <muep> wouldn't it depend on what kind of a userspace you'd run?
[13:34] <Joshun> you can't set executable bit in a fat filesystem
[13:35] <dutchfish> it works, have done that ones myself, but abandoned it on that computer, because of performance.
[13:35] <Joshun> although you could have a virtual ext4 image
[13:35] <muep> afaik at least vfat can be mounted so that everything is executable
[13:36] <Joshun> that would be very insecure
[13:36] <Joshun> but would work
[13:36] <dutchfish> yep
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[13:37] <dutchfish> also rem that you are working on a flashcard (wear and tear) and the FS must somehow take that in regard as well.
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> well that's the cops done with. they're doing door to door down the street...
[13:38] <Joshun> well ext4 is journalling
[13:38] <dutchfish> exactly
[13:38] <Joshun> so that would increase the number of rws
[13:38] <dutchfish> not neccesarely
[13:38] <Joshun> but then ext2 can get corrupted more easily
[13:39] <dutchfish> ext3 is journalling as well, but i prefer ext4 on SD
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> so what's the discussion... booting (again ;-)
[13:39] <dutchfish> well, its more like, why vfat for boot and ext4 for /
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> why not.
[13:40] <dutchfish> exactly
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> or "because that's the way it is"..
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> the gpu boot code can only read vfat.
[13:40] <ReggieUK> or 'it works, why does it matter?'
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> but the kernel can read anything.
[13:40] <Joshun> it would be easier if the gpu could read mbr
[13:41] <dutchfish> its a trade of in respect to wear and tear/speed/reliability
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> is it?
[13:41] <ReggieUK> :)
[13:41] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, i have cachefs as well, it is to slow
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> what would the advantage be to the gpu if it coudl read mrb? I think the fact that it can read a /file/ off the SD card is much better.
[13:42] <Joshun> it would be easier to setup booting - grub, for example would just work
[13:42] <ReggieUK> but uboot works already
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> I think you're expecting/wanting too much.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> IMO anyway.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> you want it to boot another OS, then put in another SD card.
[13:43] <Joshun> does uboot to mbr emulation
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> or kexec it.
[13:43] <dutchfish> i think as it si now, is a good tradeoff
[13:43] <Joshun> *do
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> and personally, I loathe grub and love lilo, so if it were forced into grub, I'd be unhappy.
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> but if it could run grub, then it could run lilo.
[13:44] <Joshun> is lilo as customisable though
[13:44] <Joshun> you can theme grub with nice images :)
[13:44] <Gadgetoid> dual booting on an SD card is easy :D
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> and it could still run a.n.other bootlaoder anyway - you just have to write it. Stick it on the SD card and call it kernel.imb and it will be loaded an executed in about 0.5 seconds after the GPU initialises.
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> *kernel.img
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[13:45] <dutchfish> what would we gain?
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> nothing.
[13:45] <dutchfish> exactly
[13:45] <Joshun> grub does make it easier to set kernel options though
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> there is that.
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> (as does lilo)
[13:46] <Joshun> or extlinux
[13:46] <Gadgetoid> Editing cmdline.txt or appending options to kexec is that difficult?
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> it's not hard, but one of the nice things about debian is the -b option at boot time - gives you a very low-level entry into the system - really good for recovering crashed systems with multiple disks/RAID - something the Pi will most likely not have though...
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> what's really irritating me is the people using Wheezy right now.
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> even people in the foundation as far as I can tell.
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[13:47] <Peanut> Why would that irritate you?
[13:48] <Joshun> wheezy has better performance anyway
[13:48] <Gadgetoid> People making a big deal out of a *testing* distro on an embedded computer is irresponsible
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> because people seem to think it's "the latest version" without realising its still under test.
[13:48] <reider59> Sorry, I like Wheezy and for now at least it`s the one I really want.
[13:49] <haltdef> it is the latest version
[13:49] <reider59> no it isn`t
[13:49] <haltdef> using sid, *that* would be silly :P
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> reider59, so use Raspbian rather than wheezy.
[13:49] <reider59> it`s the latest beta
[13:49] <haltdef> raspbian is wheezy
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> I know.
[13:49] <haltdef> oh you're talking pi images
[13:49] <reider59> no, I tried Raspbian, prefer wheezy
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> but wheezy is still armel.
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[13:49] <haltdef> you've lost me now
[13:49] <Joshun> raspbian could be worse in terms of stability
[13:49] <Peanut> raspbian is the one with hardfloat?
[13:49] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, there you have a point, but i am using Debian since woody, and i still prefer wheezy on the raspi for varies reasons, but you need at least basic knowledge what testing is.
[13:49] <nanomad_> could be
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[13:50] <Joshun> some alot of the packages haven't even been built yet
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> but the only difference between wheezy and raspbian is the packages loaded at install time.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> cat /etc/debian_version
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> 3.0
[13:50] <Joshun> the apt sources are different
[13:51] <Gadgetoid> I look forward to such a time as I can be bothered to try raspbian/wheezy :D
[13:51] <reider59> The dood thing about the Pi is you can have Raspbian on an SD Card, Wheezy on another and Debian Squeeze on yet another one + countless more. the fact that SD cards seem to be dropping in price of late helps no end.
[13:51] <reider59> *good not dood
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> well I have 3 Pi's ...
[13:51] <Gadgetoid> reider59: the good thing about the Pi is that you can have a Pi for Raspbian, a Pi for Wheezey and a Pi for Squeeze :D
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> and now some software I've developed has to be made to work under Wheezy too )-:
[13:52] <Gadgetoid> Well??? you could do if they were easy to obtain!
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[13:52] <reider59> I gave my code away lol. something I`m starting to regret in some ways
[13:52] <nanomad> Did anyone actually *benchmark* raspian in daily usage?
[13:52] <nanomad> i.e. with video players or something?
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> becuase the folks I'm working with have moved to wheezy.
[13:52] * gordonDrogon mutters.
[13:52] <Peanut> Oh, kewl.. Rasbian is armhf indeed, I'm going to try that tonight *grin*
[13:52] <Gadgetoid> "video players"???. AAAAHH *unleashes scorn*
[13:52] <nanomad> well
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> Peanut, yes, that the whole point - why use Wheezy when you can use Raspbian.
[13:53] <nanomad> gordonDrogon, stability
[13:53] <dutchfish> at least we have a choice ;)
[13:53] <Joshun> alot of packages still arent available
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> nanomad, they both ought to be as stable as each other.
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[13:53] <Joshun> but when they are raspbian would be better
[13:53] <Peanut> gordonDrogon: Simply in the process of learning what is available, I've gone from Sqeeuze to Wheezy, and now Raspbian is certainly next on my agenda.
[13:53] <nanomad> this reminds me of the old 32 vs 64 bit war
[13:54] <reider59> I tried a Puppy pre Alpha too lol
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> ok, I obviously have a rather simplistic view of the world, but I don't know any packages not in Raspbian that I'd not normally use... what am I missing?
[13:54] <Peanut> One of the big issues with the Squeeze on the RPI site is that it doesn't handle fast cards well, so you already need to start patching before you can use it.
[13:54] <Gadgetoid> In Raspbian, can you: "apt-get install ruby-1.9.3" ?
[13:55] <Joshun> gordonDrogon: http://www.raspbian.org/BuildAttempted
[13:55] <Gadgetoid> Peanut: you mean updating the firmware? I'm still confused with the Squeeze image hasn't been updated
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it appeats to be ruby 1.9.1
[13:55] <Gadgetoid> It's a few months old now, *months*
[13:55] <reider59> I chopped and macheted my way through the broken Fedora. It`s in my blood as a beta tester lol
[13:55] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Close enough, I might have to try it
[13:56] <Gadgetoid> Leaving that forever-old Squeeze image on the downloads page along with a recommendation that people use it is pretty bad, too
[13:57] <reider59> I got my name in the manual of a Flight Sim Traffic X program but not particularly proud of that in some ways. I consider it a load of excrement!
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[13:58] <dutchfish> i wonder if there is a imagebuilding tool, like for example debian-live for raspi.
[13:58] <muep> squeeze is still the latest stable debian release, with tons of functionality
[13:59] <muep> also it makes it easier to have guides no go stale because of software changes
[13:59] <Joshun> dutchfish: https://github.com/asb/spindle
[13:59] <reider59> Wheezy is far faster and more stable than Squeeze.
[13:59] <Joshun> but not quite an image builder
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[14:00] <Joshun> wheezy does have raspi-config too
[14:00] <ReggieUK> yes but that squeeze image isn't particularly stable
[14:00] <ReggieUK> if they updated it with the sd drivers, then that'd be suitable for most people
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[14:00] <ReggieUK> who can then upgrade if they want
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[14:00] <muep> sd card drivers?
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> the kernel is nothing to do with the release of the underlying distro.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> you can upgrade the kernel without moving to wheezy/raspbian.
[14:01] <muep> I did test the squeeze image for a couple of hours, and it seemed pretty stable at that time
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[14:01] <dutchfish> Joshun, thank you!
[14:02] <Peanut> muep: But if you have a flash-card that's too fast, it won't even boot.
[14:02] <Joshun> haven't tried spindle yet though - i'm not sure whether you have to run it on the Pi itself or whether there is hardware emulation
[14:02] <ReggieUK> whereas others immediately have issues with the squeeze image, no linux box, easiest option is to upgrade to wheezy
[14:02] <ReggieUK> I have no issue with squeeze over debian or vice versa
[14:03] <reider59> I`m trying to read MagPi part 3 on the other screen while interspersing the odd comment in here. But all the time my mind is screaming "curry, go do it now" lol
[14:03] <ReggieUK> erm, squeeze over wheezy*
[14:03] <dutchfish> Joshun, i will give it a spin on one of my kvm/arm vm's, thank you.
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[14:03] <Peanut> Isn't it a bit early in the day for a curry?
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[14:04] <reider59> just after 1pm
[14:04] <Joshun> not everybody is on a GMT timezone don't forget
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[14:05] <Peanut> Yeah, but people with a hankering for curry tend to be on GMT ;-)
[14:05] <Joshun> :)
[14:05] <NucWin> why does calendar have ot have inconsistant months and darn leap years
[14:05] <NucWin> making my binary clock more complex than it needs to be
[14:05] <Peanut> Does anyone know a good lightweight IMAP client to run on the RPI?
[14:06] <Peanut> NucWin: Nah, leapseconds, those were really fun this year.
[14:06] <Joshun> Peanut: try Sylpheed
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[14:06] <Joshun> it is gui based though
[14:07] <Peanut> Joshun: that's good, I've got X to work now *grin*
[14:07] <Joshun> or there's mutt
[14:07] <Joshun> but you need a separate mail transport agent
[14:07] <Joshun> *mail user agent
[14:07] <Peanut> I miss elm...
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[14:09] <reider59> You know when you type in ls well if this spills over to more than a screenful what is the command? Like in Dos you could use DIR /W /P or DIR /P
[14:09] * ReggieUK sets mode +v Joshun
[14:09] <Joshun> what did that do
[14:09] <ReggieUK> nothing particularly
[14:09] <Joshun> ChanServ removes voice from Joshu
[14:09] <ReggieUK> just ChanServ is annoying me :D
[14:09] <Joshun> *Joshun
[14:09] <reider59> W for wide and P for page mode
[14:09] <Peanut> reider59: ls | more
[14:10] <Joshun> i identifyied with nickserv and it 'removed my voice'
[14:10] <Peanut> reider59: ls -l |more
[14:10] <Joshun> *identified
[14:10] <ReggieUK> chanserv and pibot seem to have this little game they play
[14:10] <Joshun> lol
[14:10] <reider59> gotcha, thanks. Ls is in MagPi but not spotted that. I knew about ls but just browsing what it says
[14:11] <Joshun> ls -l | less is better
[14:11] <Joshun> you can scroll back aswell then
[14:11] <reider59> nice one
[14:12] <Joshun> why are there always loads of 'dead' people on irc
[14:12] <reider59> ahhh less and more are in there but it doesn`t show an example as above
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[14:12] <reider59> because they are not alive?
[14:12] <Joshun> as in people who are connected
[14:13] <netman87> ??h??m
[14:13] <Joshun> but never do anything
[14:13] <netman87> where does omxplayer show video :D
[14:13] <reider59> They may be connected but asleep, elsewhere, busy, shy, quiet......
[14:13] <Joshun> there's like 516 logged in
[14:13] <reider59> dead?
[14:14] <Joshun> less than 50 actually do anything
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[14:14] <Gadgetoid> Idling IRC is a right of passage to geeklihood
[14:14] <reider59> oh no there goes another one. bring out yer dead, bring out yer dead
[14:14] <Gadgetoid> Always with the Terry Pratchett...
[14:14] <Joshun> lol
[14:14] <Gadgetoid> Oh dear
[14:15] <Gadgetoid> I appear to have added too much chilli sauce to my rice
[14:15] <Joshun> sweet chilli sauce is nice
[14:15] <reider59> I keep reaching for my coffee, but tipped it down the sink a few minutes ago. three times now I reached for it D`oh!
[14:15] <Joshun> you can never have too much of it
[14:15] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: it's not the sweet variety, rather the insanely, masochistically, stupendously hot variety
[14:15] <Joshun> :)
[14:16] <Gadgetoid> It's Mad Dog 357 Ghost Pepper hot cause
[14:16] <Gadgetoid> sauce*
[14:16] <reider59> the curry sauce I`m using today is marked as mild but it`s anything but that....burns some days but dead nice with sultanas in it. Cheap too
[14:17] <Gadgetoid> The stuff I eat strips paint off nearby walls when I exhale
[14:17] <reider59> I need my inhaler after it lol
[14:17] <Gadgetoid> I've also realised that the water cooler is empty
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[14:19] <reider59> It`s no good! reached the Skutter stage in the MagPi and I`ve just got to admit defeat and go make my curry before I can do justice to reading it
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[14:20] <reider59> Skutter is the mobile platform my robotic arm, RasPi, arduino, cam etc is going on
[14:21] <haltdef> red dwarf ftw
[14:22] <IT_Sean> heh
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[14:28] <reider59> it`s cooking mmmm
[14:30] <Gadgetoid> Damn I'm high, <3 chilli!
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[14:31] <haltdef> I'm sure someone will say "willies" or something, don't worry
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[14:32] <ReggieUK> yeah, cos going there really helps haltdef :)
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[14:32] * ReggieUK sharpens and polishes the hammer
[14:33] <reider59> row locks
[14:33] <Gadgetoid> It's Willie's, sheesh!
[14:34] <IT_Sean> Now, you see what happens when you polish your hammer in here, Reg?
[14:34] <Peanut> I appreciate the polishing, but since when do hammers get sharpened? That seems to miss the point of it being a blunt instrument.
[14:34] <IT_Sean> Peanut: we keep the claw extra sharp, for dragging out the corpses of the fallen.
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[14:35] <ReggieUK> and the sharp edge is for when we reallllly need to get the point across
[14:35] <reider59> archiologists hammers sometimes have a point don`t they?
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[14:51] <Blazemore> Does anyone have a router which supports Tomato? I have a Raspberry Pi and I'm willing to trade
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[14:52] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: could wiringPi support digital state changes without the client code needing to actively poll?
[14:53] <reider59> omg mouth on fire, nose running, worse than torture but so good!
[14:54] <Gadgetoid> It's not very Arduino, but a wiringpi.waitForState(PIN,HIGH or LOW) might be handy
[14:57] <netman87> okey someone please tell me where does omxplayer show video?
[14:58] <netman87> ... it uses framebuffer?
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[15:03] <Gadgetoid> GPIO.RPi for 1000 HIGH/LOW write cycles: 0m1.568s
[15:03] <Gadgetoid> WiringPython: 0m0.311s
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[15:05] <Gadgetoid> Up that to 10,000 and RPi.GPIO takes 13.170s whereas WiringPython takes 0.510s??? showing that most of WiringPython's time is spend in setup
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Hi! Yes. I think so - the hardware supports a sort of latched input mechanism AIUI.
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[15:06] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: as much as you get flak for using the method you do, WiringPi absolutely mops the floor with /sys/class/gpio
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[15:06] <gordonDrogon> Right. Where do I get Wheezy ...
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[15:07] <gordonDrogon> Aparently the powers that be are officially supporting it (or will be), so I have to...
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> reider59, What are you eating?
[15:08] <booyaa> well that didn't take long just had my first unwanted visits trynig to ssh into the rpi
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[15:08] <reider59> curry sauce with sultanas in, savoury rice and a jacket potato. but my breathing problems (lower than avarage breathing) are exasperated by eating the curry lol
[15:08] <booyaa> good luck to them
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> if you like hots: http://www.dartmoorchillifarm.com/DYNAMITE/p967684_4310066.aspx
[15:09] <booyaa> i've changed def pass, no root ssh logins and using pubkey only
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> they guys have to wear respirators when preparing that one. just up the road from me (well, 3 miles)
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[15:10] <reider59> Nice one, a few years back before I smoked myself to near death I`d have tried them lol
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> I have my LCD working!
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[15:10] <booyaa> \o/
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> I think the SPI driver was getting in the way - either that of I've birnt out a GPIO pin.
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[15:10] <Gadgetoid> Just did 100,000 HIGH/LOW writes, RPi.GPIO took 2 min 10sec
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[15:11] <reider59> In between mouths full I`m hopefully programming the robotic arm in Geany. Got to be far better than the standard software that comes with it, eventually.
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[15:20] <Milos|Netbook> Ouch, a friend of mine just ran 12V through the GPIO power port.
[15:20] <Milos|Netbook> That one's gone.
[15:20] <IT_Sean> ::facepalm::
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[15:20] <fiddlinmacx> Any ideas about controlling a robot arm that has 2 Atari 9-pin joystick ports and 5 axes. I know that pin 8 is ground and am using a simple NPN transistor circuit to switch the pins on and off with the GPIO pins on the RPi. I'm limiting the BE current to about 10mA. Do I need to have a resistor in the CE circuit?
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> Boom - shake the room!
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> fiddlinmacx: Are they actual mechanical joysticks?
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[15:21] <fiddlinmacx> Yes
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> With switches?
[15:21] <fiddlinmacx> Yes
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[15:21] <SpeedEvil> In general, no, you wouldn't.
[15:21] <frankivo> sandvich?
[15:21] <Joshun> why is MagPi hosted on skydrive?
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> ButHave you measured with a dmm the wiring of the joysticks?
[15:21] <Joshun> very ironic considering the Pi runs Debian, Arch etc.
[15:22] <fiddlinmacx> @SpeedEvil: Do you think the JS port pins would be connected directly to the motors or would there be circuitry to handle that?
[15:22] <frankivo> that's not ironic
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> It's very unlikely the motors will be connected directly to the joysticks
[15:22] <fiddlinmacx> That's what I thought.
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> Unless its a really tiny arm
[15:23] <fiddlinmacx> No. It's about 2' tall.
[15:23] <fiddlinmacx> There are 4 D-Cell batteries.
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> The easy way is to connet a multimeter on amps range across one of the pins
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[15:23] <SpeedEvil> - 10A range - as it may be direct
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> And running on D cells is something I'd class as tiny
[15:24] <fiddlinmacx> Oh. Sorry.
[15:24] <fiddlinmacx> ;-)
[15:24] <Joshun> it is considering that raspberry pi os's emphasise software freedom
[15:25] <fiddlinmacx> How much current do I want going through a 4400 Xistor without worrying?
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> A what?
[15:26] <fiddlinmacx> A simple NPN Transistor.
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> From about 1mA, to 600A, depending on design.
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, Magpi in Skydrive... Haha, go on, you make me laugh! Why would someone embracing hte Linux community use Microsoft to host things. You're pulling my Leg. Next thing you'll tell me is that they 're using some flash-based page turning app. to display the magazine...
[15:27] <fiddlinmacx> I looked it up. A 2N4400 allows 600mA.
[15:27] <Joshun> exactly
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[15:27] <Joshun> lol
[15:27] <fiddlinmacx> I'll measure when I get home
[15:28] <fiddlinmacx> My wife was underwhelmed by blinking LED's although my 14-year-old son was having fun changing the timings in Python for awhile ;-)
[15:28] <fiddlinmacx> So I thought the robot arm might be cooler.
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> 600mA - if the voltage across CE is not large
[15:30] <KebabBob> My rpi gets disconnected from ethernet regularly, usually when I'm doing something moderately cpu intensive over ssh... I'm running wheezy
[15:30] <KebabBob> Anyone run into this problem?
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> What are you powering it with?
[15:30] <KebabBob> I'm running a headless system, no keyboard or mouse connected to the pi
[15:31] <KebabBob> 1A usb adapter
[15:31] <KebabBob> I've tried a couple different ones
[15:31] <nid0> not a problem i've had, had 2 pis running headless for weeks with no ethernet dropouts
[15:31] <KebabBob> I have a small monitor connected to the pi, and it looks like it's not frozen.. just ethernet is out
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[15:33] <KebabBob> Drops me from ssh and cannot be pinged
[15:34] <KebabBob> until I restart the damn thing
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[15:35] <netman87> KebabBob: same here
[15:35] <fiddlinmacx> @SpeedEvil: I'm just using the power from the JS ports, so 4 D-Cell batteries.
[15:35] <netman87> but usually caused by lots of kernel debug messages
[15:35] <netman87> did have some error walls :D
[15:35] <KebabBob> I haven't looked at messages
[15:36] <Gadgetoid> I think I've just diagnosed a huge flaw in my WiringPiGem, my wrapper classes are mostly a pointless barrier to high-frequency operation
[15:36] <KebabBob> i.e. /var/log/messages
[15:36] <netman87> huh apt-get install xorg xserver-xorg sure takes sometime
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[15:40] <mm0zct> has anyone here played much with the gpio pins?
[15:41] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon knows a little bit about them :D
[15:41] <fiddlinmacx> I've had some fun with them using Arch and Python.
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[15:42] <mm0zct> I'm currently trying to bitbang JTAG, the code works fine bitbanging over the parallel port, but when I substitute my set/get methods with my gpio versions the JTAG misbehaves after reading the first few bits
[15:42] <mm0zct> currently I'm suspecting that something is making the fpga think that the clock line has toggled when it hasn't (such as reflections)
[15:42] * gordonDrogon waves
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> on the phone - back inna bit.
[15:43] <mm0zct> ok cheers
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[15:44] <mm0zct> (I'm using C/C++ fwiw (C++ written like C, I just wanted some containers))
[15:45] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=7696
[15:45] <ReggieUK> you might find that interesting in the meantime
[15:45] <ReggieUK> not quite what you're doing
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[15:46] <ReggieUK> but I'm wondering if there are similar issues in play here
[15:47] <mm0zct> I've actually been doing something similar to look for the state skipping, after changing the clock like i have a tight loop bisetting into a register the value on the TDO (data return) line
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[15:47] <mm0zct> so far I've nott seen anything fishy though
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[15:47] <ReggieUK> probably beyond my skill level to try and help further than that post, I'll only muddy the waters :D
[15:48] <mm0zct> thanks for the link, it's definitely interesting. The next step debuggin is to get the scope/logic analyser on it, but my coleague that knows how to work it properly isn't in today
[15:49] <ReggieUK> somewhere around the net, is information on how to use a standard ftdi ft232r chip as a jtag interface under linux
[15:50] <mm0zct> the parallel port works ok, I was just hoping I could get it faster with the Pi's gpio and it would solve the issue of disappearing parallel ports (I had to buy a pci-e paralle port for my machine, man that felt backwards)
[15:51] <MikeL> I need some help :P
[15:51] <MikeL> is it a good sign when my powered hun powers the pi from the pi's usb port?
[15:51] <MikeL> hub*
[15:51] <ReggieUK> no
[15:52] <ReggieUK> as it will quickly hit the 140ma limit on the polyfuse that is protecting the usb port
[15:53] <mm0zct> to clarify, the pi is plugged into the hub, which is plugged into the pi
[15:54] <mm0zct> correct?
[15:54] <MikeL> yea
[15:54] <MikeL> I've turned it off now
[15:54] <mm0zct> I think the usual suggestion is to cut the 5v line between the pi and the hub (on the pi host port side, not it's power line)
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[15:54] <mm0zct> then the hub still works as a hub, and powers the pi, but the hub can't actually draw current from the pi
[15:54] <ReggieUK> not sure that's the 'usual' suggestion
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[15:55] <mm0zct> well it's one I've seen a few times on the forum when looking at over current problems
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[15:55] <ReggieUK> and the issue is with the pi drawing power back from the hub
[15:55] <lee> MikeL: do you have a cheap 7 port black and silver hub?
[15:55] <Ben-> Hi, I just got an order got from elements14. Is this code bound to my email adress?
[15:55] <Ben-> *order code
[15:55] <ReggieUK> sure but the major issue is just blindly saying 'cut the 5v line'
[15:55] <MikeL> It's all black but I'm guessing it's the same :P
[15:56] <mm0zct> it's "the usual" in my experience reading the Pi forum, which may be rather biased (and it's not something i would try anyway, I prefer dedicated power plugs)
[15:56] <ReggieUK> without caveats
[15:56] <lee> MikeL: does it look like http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/itm/250992988193 ?
[15:56] <MikeL> yea
[15:56] <lee> don't use those, they're crap and known to not work with the pi
[15:57] <lee> MikeL: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Powered_USB_Hubs I have a sumvision one (linked there), and it works fine
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[15:57] <Gadgetoid> I find it easier not to plug any USB devices in at all, the Pi hates them with a vengeance, haha
[15:58] <mm0zct> but then it's hard to play quake3 :p
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[15:58] <MikeL> So would breaking the 5v connection on the hub - pi wire fix the problem?
[15:59] <Gadgetoid> Quake3 ran pretty well in my browser last I checked, can't see why I'd need a Pi to do it :D :D
[15:59] <mm0zct> MikeL: i wouldn't bet on it
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[15:59] <MikeL> ah ok
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[16:00] <mm0zct> Gadgetoid: because you can, what other reason do you need?
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[16:00] <Gadgetoid> mm0zct: I choose not to, because I can??? :D
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[16:03] <netman87> why USB power lines even need to come from SoC?
[16:03] <reider59> Woo Hoo!!!!! My robot Arm just came to life in an arm.py program created in Geany. It just did a series of moves using the arm, elbow, wrist and culminated with the light goin on and then off.
[16:03] <Gadgetoid> The Pi has plunged me into Ruby, Python, Bash, Assembly and general hobby electronics??? frankly all the people using them for gaming and media centres disgust me??? in the nicest possible way
[16:03] <reider59> I can now die happy and contented!
[16:03] <Gadgetoid> reider59: but.. how will you securely attach the fleshlight?
[16:04] <reider59> lol, its quite strong and a good grip
[16:04] <Gadgetoid> reider59: could it pick up a mug of coffee?
[16:04] <markbook> FLESHLIGHT 8-|
[16:04] <reider59> I need a cam on it and get it to talk now. then th edog can do one ;-)
[16:04] <frankivo> o.O
[16:04] <Gadgetoid> What else is he going to use a robot arm for? Building AUDIs?
[16:05] <netman87> fleshlight + raspberry pi = ???
[16:05] <frankivo> profit?
[16:05] <reider59> I doubt it but it handles a fair amount of weight til it starts clicking as a warning. First time I thought it was cracking and breaking my USB Flash key
[16:06] <Gadgetoid> reider59: eee, yeah??? nylon gears slipping I guess?
[16:06] <reider59> it`s going on a skutter with the RasPi, arduino, cam etc
[16:06] <Gadgetoid> That'll be pretty cool, beer milkshake delivery!
[16:06] <reider59> no, the clickng is the warning that it`s at its limits and time to back off
[16:07] <Gadgetoid> It actually has a piezo to click!? weird??? usually that happens when the gears slip ( in my crazy lego contraptions anyway )
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[16:08] <reider59> the skutter will be programmable and the cam will give its view on VNC from another room. Getting it to work in Wheezy was the move I dreaded because the original software is little use and I need it to be all self contained, hence RasPi going on WiFi
[16:08] <mm0zct> http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/03/benchmarking-raspberry-pi-gpio-speed/ I wonder if the front edges of these waveforms are the cause of my misery :/
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[16:11] <linuxboy> hi guys
[16:11] <linuxboy> it looks like my R Pi order was never sent when it should. After about 10 emails to RS I got this: Apologies for the delay, we have been experiencing issues with our courier service but these have been solved. Your order should be re-dispatched by Monday, at the latest. If you have not received a dispatch email by then please re-contact us.
[16:12] <ReggieUK> mm0zct, if it is, it seems you just need to clock it a bit slower
[16:12] <linuxboy> I have since recontacted them and still no reply
[16:12] <mm0zct> I'm doing it at ~1HZ
[16:12] <mm0zct> and it's still problematic
[16:12] <ReggieUK> then I'm not sure that's your issue
[16:12] <mm0zct> the front edge will still have some bounce judging by those waveforms
[16:12] <ReggieUK> as he's getting nice square edges at the lower freqs
[16:12] <mm0zct> I think that's because it's zoomed out
[16:13] <mm0zct> I'll find out when I get the scope on it anyway
[16:13] <ReggieUK> indeed
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[16:16] <mm0zct> I don't know if anyone's posted these but I think they might be pretty sueful to people wanting to interface the Pi to 5 or 1.8V stuff http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8745
[16:17] <mm0zct> they aren't much use for talking to 2.5v stuff though, because 3.3HV ->1.6LV (teach me to read the spec sheet more carefully)
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> ugh. long phone calls.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-18689353
[16:19] <necreo> anyone using an old apple usb charger with his pi?
[16:19] <necreo> I finally got it today and I think something is wrong with the power
[16:19] <necreo> archlinux reports eth0 can't be found, could that be caused by that?
[16:20] <mm0zct> perhaps if the voltage is too low
[16:20] <dirty_d> necreo, i used one
[16:20] <dirty_d> i think
[16:20] <dirty_d> actually no, it was just white, lol
[16:20] <ReggieUK> does usb show up too?
[16:20] <necreo> I can't check, haven't gotten a usb keyboard
[16:21] <mm0zct> >lsusb
[16:21] <ReggieUK> usb mouse?
[16:21] <necreo> got a mouse, but that wont help if you can login in your shell
[16:21] <necreo> oh yea if it lights up
[16:21] <ReggieUK> yes it will :)
[16:21] <necreo> ok just checked
[16:21] <ReggieUK> and you should see it enumerated in the boot messages
[16:22] <necreo> so ethernet and usb are dead
[16:22] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: ugh, *any* phone calls
[16:22] <ReggieUK> sounds like it could be your 25Mhz crystal
[16:22] <necreo> sounds complicated
[16:22] <ReggieUK> 2 ways to solve it
[16:22] <ReggieUK> rma or reflow
[16:22] <ReggieUK> I would only advise the latter if you have experience
[16:23] <mm0zct> RMA is probably the sensible option, since trying to reflow will void the warranty so you can't RMA if that doesn't work
[16:23] <necreo> rma it is then, once I google it
[16:23] <ReggieUK> depends how good at reflowing you are
[16:23] <ReggieUK> you would never know if I'd reflowed my sons pi
[16:23] <mm0zct> sadly my solder skills are not that hot
[16:23] <Gadgetoid> How can one simply reflow!?
[16:24] <ReggieUK> with a hot-air rework station
[16:25] <necreo> rma = return and ask for replacement?
[16:25] <ReggieUK> yup
[16:25] <ReggieUK> I would go through the troubleshooting section first though
[16:25] <ReggieUK> give me a second
[16:26] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#No_USB_device_works.2C_with_known_good_PS.2C_SD_card.2C_KB
[16:27] <necreo> ty
[16:27] <ReggieUK> try power first
[16:27] <ReggieUK> see if you can find someone else with a working pi and test with their usb stuff
[16:27] <necreo> 1 in 1000, would be just my luck
[16:28] <ReggieUK> but really, if the pi has proper power supplied to it and nothing plugged into the usb ports and it still doesn't show up then it's probably safe to say that you should rma it
[16:28] <necreo> I ordered a 2m, known to work with raspberry pi, usb cable
[16:28] <ReggieUK> 2m?
[16:28] <necreo> so Ill hold out for that one to arrive first
[16:28] <umami> reflow like have necreo resolder the USB and eth jacks onto the board again?
[16:28] <necreo> 2 meters
[16:28] <ReggieUK> no nothing to do with the usb and eth jacks at all
[16:29] <ReggieUK> it's most likely the 25Mhz crystal if it's anything other than power
[16:29] <umami> How can you do a reflow with everyday materials?
[16:29] <ReggieUK> and I'm not suggesting anyone should try and reflow if they don't have the necessary skills
[16:29] <netman87> oven,hairdryer
[16:29] <umami> My board works and I can solder, just asking for general interest
[16:29] <mm0zct> I think i saw a toaster one on hackaday :p
[16:29] <ReggieUK> I wouldn't reflow anything in a home oven
[16:30] <ReggieUK> you have to eat from that
[16:30] <umami> fumes...
[16:30] <netman87> ReggieUK: oh u dont smoke?
[16:30] <ReggieUK> I wouldn't recommend a hair dryer either
[16:30] <umami> people do that for xbox 360s and PS3s, I've always wondered how
[16:31] <necreo> hmm just found a very simple mouse laying around and that one does light up
[16:31] <umami> do the power and OK lights turn on?
[16:31] <necreo> furthermore, if I replug the pi, the mouse will be lit, but I won't get any hdmi output anymore
[16:31] <necreo> so it must be a power issue
[16:31] <ReggieUK> some people use a heatgun on the ps2/xbox 360 but it's very hit and miss
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[16:32] <necreo> ok light flickers, red is always on
[16:32] <ReggieUK> you really need to have better control over the temperature and air flow than a heatgun
[16:32] <ReggieUK> it'll work but it'll be more luck than judgement
[16:32] <mm0zct> necreo: what did you plus into the ethernet port before?
[16:32] <mm0zct> plug*
[16:32] <umami> ReggieUK: that's what I thought as well, everything seems like a very hit-or-miss solution
[16:32] <necreo> ? just a cat5 to my home network
[16:33] <ReggieUK> that's why professionals use hot-air stations
[16:33] <ReggieUK> not calling myself a professional either
[16:33] <necreo> yes, I get hdmi when I boot without any usb peripherals, and nothing when I boot with my mouse inserted
[16:33] <mm0zct> and none of FDX, LNK an 10M are lit if it boots up connected?
[16:33] <necreo> no
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[16:33] <necreo> it couldnt find eth0
[16:33] <mm0zct> I take it you don't have any micro usb cables around
[16:33] <ReggieUK> sounds more like power than the crystal then
[16:34] <necreo> and nothing except ok and pwr is lit
[16:34] <necreo> any other, no :(
[16:34] <necreo> bought this one months ago
[16:34] <necreo> HTC microusb charger
[16:34] <umami> what does it output?
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[16:34] <umami> 5.5V 0.7A?
[16:34] <necreo> honestly, no clue
[16:34] <ReggieUK> 5.5v is out of spec
[16:35] <Gadgetoid> necreo: it should be written on it
[16:35] <ReggieUK> 0.7a is marginal
[16:35] <umami> take a look at the charger itself
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[16:35] <ReggieUK> might be stamped between the pins
[16:35] <necreo> it's not a charger, it's just a cable
[16:35] <Gadgetoid> Errr...
[16:35] <ReggieUK> what's it connected to?
[16:35] <Gadgetoid> Cable running from??? what?
[16:35] <necreo> an old apple usb charger
[16:35] <umami> My Samsung charger(s) output 5.0V @ .7A and work fine for me
[16:35] <mm0zct> I'm a little annoyed that the charger RS sells with the Pi doesn't have the data lines connected properly (there should be a max 200ohm resistor between D+ and D- to tell a device it's a charger)
[16:36] <Gadgetoid> And the output on the USB charger?
[16:36] <ReggieUK> umami, sure, some peoples are fine, others are not
[16:36] <ReggieUK> mines an apple 1a 5v charger
[16:36] <mm0zct> it's fine for the Pi, but my n900 doesn't see it as a charger
[16:36] <ReggieUK> it should work just dandy
[16:36] <ReggieUK> but it doesn't
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[16:36] <ReggieUK> charger != psu
[16:36] <Gadgetoid> I went with a straight-up 1.2A MicroUSB, a Nokia one
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[16:36] <umami> Yeah, from the forums people seem to be doing well with Samsung, I'm just lucky to have a couple
[16:36] <Gadgetoid> But, yeah, chargers don't necessarily make good on their promises
[16:37] <umami> ReggieUK: haha yes yes
[16:37] <necreo> Gadgetoid: 5V 1A
[16:37] <ReggieUK> the samsung 'u2' cable has been the best cable so far for me
[16:37] <ReggieUK> it causes the least voltage drop
[16:37] <ReggieUK> do you have any other microUsb cables necreo?
[16:37] <Gadgetoid> necreo: you'd probably be best served trying a decent power supply before anything else
[16:37] <necreo> ReggieUK: no :|
[16:38] <necreo> Gadgetoid: define decent
[16:38] <mm0zct> have you tried plugging it into the PC you're on instead of the charger?
[16:38] <mm0zct> it'll probably not give enough current
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[16:38] <Gadgetoid> necreo: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_power_Adapters might be a good place to start
[16:38] <mm0zct> but it might work (some computers let the usb draw more so they can charge devices)
[16:39] <Gadgetoid> Interesting that it lists the Apple charger
[16:39] <ReggieUK> indeed
[16:39] <ReggieUK> so the lesson is?
[16:39] <ReggieUK> no matter what the wiki says, test your stuff with a meter :D
[16:39] <Gadgetoid> Arguably, it shouldn't list random crappy chargers at all
[16:40] <netman87> hmm... RPi is giving me lots of kernel messages... enough to freeze whole system
[16:40] <zgreg> the problem with power isn't that most chargers can't deal with the current
[16:40] <netman87> cant read anything :(
[16:41] <zgreg> but they often drop down the voltage quite a bit
[16:41] <saturday_sun> I'm using a 700mA USB charger for a cybook e-reading device. works just fine.
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[16:41] <zgreg> most devices won't care, the pi definitely does
[16:41] <zgreg> IIRC adafruit has a PSU with 5.25V rated voltage for the pi, and that seems to be a good idea
[16:41] <Gadgetoid> There are a surprising amount of rubbish adaptors out there, again brings into question the choice of MicroUSB
[16:41] <ReggieUK> that is an incredibly good idea
[16:42] <umami> could doing too much with the CPU cause a kernel panic? I had one when running 3 consoles in screen and doing apt-get updates
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[16:42] <ReggieUK> as I've seen the microUsb cable on it's own cause a voltage drop (hence me recommending the 'u2' samsung data cable)
[16:42] <nid0> the choice of microusb seems a fine one to me, i've got like 7 microusb chargers/cables in the house and every one of them runs my pi perfectly
[16:42] <umami> using that Samsung phone charger
[16:43] <Gadgetoid> nid0: Seems like a flagrant abuse of a port designed for lower power peripherals and data transmission to me, irrespective of how many working chargers there might be out there
[16:44] <necreo> found 4 other microusb to usb adapters but they're all the wrong sort
[16:44] <ReggieUK> but this is another issue, some people's kit works fine, other peoples don't, something is iffy somewhere but no one is really sure what/where
[16:44] <Matt> I'd rather have seen a barrel connector TBH
[16:44] <ReggieUK> and it comes down to the usb cable and the psu itself
[16:44] <mm0zct> Ahah, I cought the sneaky JTAG bouncing (sorry if that'sout of context for most people)
[16:44] <Matt> mm0zct: bouncing jtag?
[16:44] <ReggieUK> what was it mm0zct?
[16:45] <Gadgetoid> Build your own barrel-connector-to-micro-USB circuit with a good voltage regulator, and you can throw any voltage you like up to ~35v at it
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[16:45] <mm0zct> I'm bitbanging JTAG, ans I'm suspecting that the JTAG is detecting more than one clock edge when i toggle the gpio pin i have hooked up to TCK
[16:45] <zgreg> Gadgetoid: well, microusb is specified for up to 1A current, so that's fine
[16:45] <RAThomas> ReggieUK: I found my problem... wasn't power, wasn't solder. My son had a non-powered USB hub hanging off (and behind the desk) the powered USB hub that was plugged into the Pi.
[16:46] <nid0> Gadgetoid: how so? usb spec has included support for high power for years
[16:46] <RAThomas> Removed that and the LAN problems went away.
[16:46] <Draylor> :)
[16:46] <mm0zct> so I put a tight for loop reading the TDO line just after setting the clock pin, and when i went clock 1->0 the TDO line went 0->1->0
[16:46] <dirty_d> umami, it shouldnt
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[16:47] <RAThomas> umami: I just tested my Pi doing radar scan conversion, maxing out the CPU and LAN for about an hour with no problems
[16:47] <ReggieUK> RAThomas, that makes sense
[16:47] <Gadgetoid> nid0: I'm pretty sure USB was never designed with powering computers in mind??? not that I care, it's only one of the numerous reasons why I despise MicroUSB
[16:48] <ReggieUK> you would at that point have had a hub in a hub in a hub :D
[16:48] <mm0zct> Matt: so on the clock 1-> transition the JTAG slave is detecting an extra clock edge
[16:48] <RAThomas> yeah, I just about kicked myself when I saw what I'd overlooked ;)
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pilcd.jpg
[16:48] <nid0> Gadgetoid: specs change, and usb spec has explicitly supported dedicated power ports rated to 1.5A and beyond since 2007
[16:49] <Matt> mm0zct: handy
[16:49] <Gadgetoid> nid0: Lalalala MicroUSB still sucks, lalala :D
[16:49] <netman87> i dont really understand microusb
[16:49] <netman87> its about same size than miniusb
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> micro, mini, proprietary, ...
[16:50] <ReggieUK> gordon, those polyfuses look like the solder is glowing!! what are you doing to that poor little pi? ;)
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[16:50] <netman87> and miniusb is already used almost everywhere
[16:50] <nid0> netman87: its smaller than miniusb, and has a much much longer lifespan
[16:50] <Gadgetoid> netman87: It's a special version of USB designed to be flimsy, weak and infuriating
[16:50] <KrnlPanic> gordonDrogon: That's so cool! If I ever get my RPi, where can I go to learn how to do something like that? (The purpose of which the PI was created)
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> irritates me that my old camera has a proprietary usb lead... if I ever lose it ...
[16:50] * markbook trademarks "nanoUSB" and prepares to rake in the dough.
[16:50] <zgreg> Gadgetoid: actually, microusb is far more reliable than miniusb
[16:50] <Gadgetoid> zgreg: assuming it stays attached to the board :D
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, Hi! I wish I had the means to setup some teaching facility, but time & money... I've been doing stuff like that for the past 35+ years ...
[16:50] <nid0> crappy soldering between the port and the board can happen with any port
[16:50] <zgreg> Gadgetoid: well, that's another issue :)
[16:51] <nid0> thats nothing to do with the port type in use
[16:51] <mm0zct> zgreg: I've found microusb connectors wear out and stop latching properly, they are too shallow imho
[16:51] <KrnlPanic> gordonDrogon: BTW, what's the pot in the center for? Just to vary the current?
[16:51] <netman87> lets all take step down and choose to use only USB A -> USB B
[16:51] <KrnlPanic> gordonDrogon: No worries, mate, I will be bugging the heck out of Google once I finally get it.. ship date has been pushed out to July 5 now.. :\
[16:52] <Gadgetoid> USB should have been a 3.5mm TRRRRRRR???RR???R????.RRR???? S jack from the outset??? it would have stopped it from being N dimensional, the number of times I've had to rotate a USB plug three times to connect it is worrying
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, it's to do with the contrast of the LCD.
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, check my projects site too..
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> Hm. wifey home - 4 hours before I was expecting her... not done her room - oops!
[16:53] <netman87> Gadgetoid: and and it should use only 2-wires and taste like mangoes
[16:54] <ReggieUK> bananas
[16:54] <necreo> I seem to have any kind of microusb cable to date except for one that fits on the pi :(
[16:54] <Gadgetoid> netman87: Agreed!
[16:54] <necreo> got 5 from cameras alone
[16:55] <ReggieUK> necreo, you can't have microUsb if it doesn't fit the pi
[16:55] <necreo> it's also usb and really small
[16:55] <ReggieUK> miniusb then probably
[16:55] <necreo> I stand corrected
[16:55] <netman87> i have 8 miniusb cables... 0 microusb cables
[16:55] <netman87> 1 usb a -> usb b
[16:56] <necreo> netman87: same here, except only 5
[16:56] <KrnlPanic> gordonDrogon: It'll be in my favorites! Thank you!
[16:56] <necreo> and 1 microusb that doesnt seem to work properly
[16:56] <netman87> necreo: i did order ton of ti launchpads
[16:56] <zgreg> microusb is a relatively new standard
[16:56] <nid0> where do people get all these mini usb things from? my last device with mini usb was my E90 I bought in like 2007
[16:56] <nid0> every other device i've owned since, of any kind, has had micro
[16:56] <necreo> nid0: digital cameras
[16:56] <necreo> and old gps
[16:56] <netman87> nah just 4 or 5 i think... everyone include one short miniusb cable
[16:57] <nid0> my digital cameras either use a propietary port or microusb
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> right back later!
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[16:57] <j0nnymoe> the question is, if you had ordered a pi, why didnt you make sure you had a microusb cable ready for when it arrived
[16:57] <ReggieUK> camera(s), mp3 player, photoframe(s), otg drive, phone, handheld consoles
[16:58] <necreo> can a usb adapter output the right amount of power and still supply not enough power to the pi because of the quality of the microusb cable?
[16:58] <necreo> connecting those two
[16:58] <ReggieUK> necreo, kind of
[16:58] <necreo> I so hope I'm experinecing that
[16:58] <ReggieUK> some cables can cause a voltage drop
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[16:58] <netman87> [ 938.354] (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted
[16:58] <necreo> really not looking forward to, after months of waiting, return it
[16:58] <ReggieUK> as the cable essentially acts as a resistor
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[17:00] <necreo> hmm ok
[17:00] <necreo> well I just hope Ill get a new one before this weekend
[17:00] <necreo> and then hope that one works :)
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[17:00] <necreo> in the meantime I'm going on a scavenge hunt to find other microusb cables
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[17:01] <ReggieUK> know anyone with a samsung galaxy phone?
[17:01] <ReggieUK> they'll have one
[17:01] <necreo> yes, but he's in another country this entire month
[17:02] <necreo> and I daresay he took it with him
[17:02] <necreo> http://elinux.org/On_the_RPi_usb_power_cable
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[17:02] <Joshun> just plugged my pi in via hdmi. now it is stuck in a loop and is endlessley rebooting :(
[17:02] <markbook> You know, when you add working USB power, a working SD card and an HDTV, a Pi isn't so cheap after all ;-)
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[17:03] <necreo> Joshun: the pi or is the screen just reporting no signal
[17:03] <fiddlinmacx> Unless you had most of that sitting around already.
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[17:03] <necreo> I had the latter after I inserted something in one of the usb ports
[17:03] <Joshun> necreo - the pi actually reboots - the colour wheel reloads every time
[17:03] <fiddlinmacx> @Joshun: what OS are you using?
[17:03] <Joshun> nothing is in the usb's at the mo
[17:03] <Joshun> wheexy
[17:03] <Joshun> it was fine before
[17:04] <Joshun> *wheezy
[17:04] <Gadgetoid> markbook: it's a bit of a conundrum
[17:04] <Joshun> i may just reflash it
[17:04] <Joshun> seems odd though
[17:04] <fiddlinmacx> @Joshun: have you tried another Distro?
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[17:04] <Joshun> yeah, they were all fine before, inclding wheezy
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[17:04] <Gadgetoid> Seems the target market of the Pi, educational, would have to buy power supplies anyway, surely...?
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[17:04] <Joshun> i did use a different power cable
[17:04] <Joshun> but the supply is the same as when it was fine
[17:05] <markbook> I can go with smaller SD cards for a class, and so far cheap Staples USB plugs have worked for power.
[17:05] <NucWin> woooooop my binary clock works \o/ \o- -o- -o/ \o/
[17:05] <markbook> at least as far as I can tell.
[17:05] <Gadgetoid> NucWin: nice, what language?
[17:05] <NucWin> perl
[17:05] <NucWin> using POE
[17:05] <NucWin> and a lot of polling of the switch
[17:06] <Gadgetoid> NucWin: I did a 14 LED binary clock in Ruby, with 3 LEDs for Day of the week, 6 for minutes and 5 for hour??? iirc
[17:06] <Gadgetoid> Need cooler LEDs though, they just weren't awesome enough
[17:06] <NucWin> 6 for time 3 for h/m or seconds, and a button to switch
[17:07] <NucWin> http://db.tt/Vstz1mgD
[17:07] <Joshun> would adjusting the memory split of the pi cause problems?
[17:08] <Joshun> i bet that's what causing it. i'll try setting it back to defaults.
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[17:09] <Peanut> NucWin: Nice! But don't you think a simple AVR would be sufficient for that? http://epboven.home.xs4all.nl/ls-2012.html
[17:09] <NucWin> i dont have an AVR
[17:09] <NucWin> i have a pi though
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[17:10] <NucWin> a clock would be much better at it
[17:10] <Gadgetoid> NucWin: Haha :D nice comeback
[17:10] <Peanut> True :-)
[17:10] <Gadgetoid> NucWin: Now try it with a Shift Register :)
[17:11] <ReggieUK> looks like someone has been stripping cables from old pc cases....
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[17:11] <NucWin> i dont have one of those either all though i do plan on ordering a couple soon
[17:11] <Walther> How can I make a dd'able backup of the Pi card? As in, is it possible to create a flashable image file that has both partitions?
[17:11] <NucWin> and something so i dont burn out my pi with too many led's
[17:11] <NucWin> ReggieUK you would be right
[17:12] <NucWin> i had a few from ages ago but needed more
[17:12] <Peanut> Walther: just dd it off the card, I would assume, same way as you put it on there - just change of and if as appropriate in the command line.
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[17:12] <markbook> Walther: fdisk (and parted?) can tell you the size of each partition or of the whole device.
[17:12] <NucWin> so went to garage found a case grabbed them and pulled (hopefully it wsant a case i wanted)
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[17:12] <markbook> What Peanut said, though if you know the sizes you can trim it.
[17:12] <ReggieUK> dd bs=1M if=/dev/<card device> of=somefile.img
[17:12] <markbook> (assuming it's not whole disk)
[17:12] <Walther> thanks
[17:13] <Walther> well, my HD won't mind a 8GB bu on it :)
[17:13] <markbook> you can pipe it to gzip
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[17:13] <Walther> markbook: hmm, sounds interesting, tar.gz perhaps?
[17:14] <mm0zct> dd the whold card
[17:14] <markbook> no need to tar it
[17:14] <mm0zct> oops, had some scrollback
[17:14] <markbook> dd if=/device | gzip -c >save.img.gz
[17:14] <markbook> (yah, add the bs=1M)
[17:14] <Gadgetoid> NucWin: order shift registers, darlington arrays and transistors if you want a) Bright LEDs and b) A reasonably safe Pi
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[17:15] <Gadgetoid> That said, nobody seems to have harmed a Pi with LEDs yet
[17:15] <NucWin> i have 10-20 transistors but not figured them out yet
[17:15] <ReggieUK> and caps
[17:15] <Gadgetoid> NucWin: I had an interesting time trying to figure out how to hook mine up :D
[17:16] <reider59> <<< programming a dance move for the robot arm on the Pi lol
[17:16] <egilhh> reider59: do the robot... :p
[17:16] <Gadgetoid> reider59: Ah, is that what they're calling it these days? :D
[17:16] <Joshun> it was the cable after all
[17:17] <Joshun> why on earth would using a different cable affect the power supply that much
[17:17] <NucWin> i have loads of caps they are easy to reclaim
[17:17] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/On_the_RPi_usb_power_cable
[17:17] <Gadgetoid> I haven't come across anything I can reclaim stuff from :(
[17:17] <NucWin> psu's mostly where i harvest
[17:17] <NucWin> but have done a few printers
[17:18] <NucWin> i have a laptop i might scour over when i get time
[17:18] <reider59> It`s a twist to the left, a twist to the right, light on, light off. Wrist up, arm bend, grip tight. Light on, light off lol somthing like that
[17:18] <Walther> heh, mighty quests for grinding parts :P
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[17:18] <ReggieUK> last scavenged thing I used was a ram chip
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[17:18] <Joshun> never use Nokia cables!
[17:19] <markbook> for power?
[17:19] <Joshun> yeah
[17:19] <markbook> they make fine serial ports.
[17:19] <Joshun> well i just tried one and my pi was endlessly rebooting
[17:19] <Joshun> a blackberry one works fine
[17:19] <Walther> (oh man, this dd | gzip > file.img.gz takes ages)
[17:20] <Gadgetoid> my Nokia N900 charger works fine
[17:20] <mm0zct> probably IO bound on the read speed of the SD card
[17:20] <Walther> markbook: this is a class 10 card :/
[17:20] <Joshun> maybe it was designed not to carry as much load, or had deliberate resistance so as not to overcharge a device
[17:20] <Walther> mm0zct: ^
[17:20] <necreo> Joshun: you're giving me hope :)
[17:20] <nid0> fwiw i've got 3 nokia chargers of varying ages and mine all work perfectly
[17:20] <Vib3> my nokia charger works fine also, its the 1.2A version
[17:20] <Joshun> its not a nokia charger
[17:20] <Joshun> its a separate power supply
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[17:21] <Joshun> with a microusb cable plugged in
[17:21] <mm0zct> Walther: what's your reader though?
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> My nokia n900 charger does not work
[17:21] <necreo> just nokia cable?
[17:21] <Joshun> its the cable causing the problem
[17:21] <mm0zct> a lot of sd card readers are actually rubbish
[17:21] <Joshun> yeah
[17:21] <Walther> mm0zct: yeah that...
[17:21] <necreo> excellent
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> (stock one)
[17:21] <nid0> got a new one with detatchable microusb cable (also a nokia cable), an older one with a fixed cable and an even older one with a minipin + adaptor
[17:21] <necreo> I think/hope I got the same problem with a HTC one
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[17:21] <nid0> also running both of my pis from my pc usb ports at the moment
[17:21] <necreo> anyone using a HTC usb cable?
[17:21] <nid0> both through nokia microusb cables
[17:21] <nid0> nil problems
[17:21] <KrnlPanic> Are you saying that you can use an old blackberry power supply to power the RPi?
[17:21] <egilhh> necreo: I do, no prob
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[17:21] <necreo> damn
[17:21] * Walther is using a 2$ DealExtreme no-brander
[17:22] <nid0> SpeedEvil: odd, mine does fine
[17:22] <ReggieUK> they're all different, bottom line, if you don't trust the power, get a multimeter and test stuff
[17:22] <Joshun> the blackberry cable is much thicker
[17:23] <Joshun> probably a lower resistance
[17:23] <ReggieUK> thickness is no indication of a better cable
[17:23] <KrnlPanic> Or are you just saying the Blackberry data cable?
[17:23] <Joshun> yeah
[17:23] <Joshun> blackberry microusb cable
[17:23] <Joshun> this was the nokia one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-CA-101-Micro-Data-Cable/dp/B000U6QPFI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1341328885&sr=8-3
[17:24] <KrnlPanic> Joshun: Gotya, Thanks
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[17:24] <Walther> well, who knows, sometimes with electronics the only thing that matters is the direction in which the towels are hanging in the bathroom
[17:24] <nid0> Joshun: and that doesnt work for you?
[17:24] <nid0> 2 of those are what're powering both my pis right now
[17:24] <Walther> (especially with wireless)
[17:24] <Joshun> nid0 - endless rebooting like I mentioned earlier
[17:25] <Joshun> the power led flickers too
[17:25] <fiddlinmacx> I use Potatoes in series.
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[17:25] <Joshun> lol
[17:25] <Walther> I would love to see a potato or lemon powered pi :D
[17:25] <nid0> Joshun: is that just an example from amazon, or did you actually buy one of those?
[17:25] <nid0> because both the price and reviews indicate its likely a knockoff
[17:25] <Joshun> no that is the actual cable i bought
[17:25] <Joshun> but i have others
[17:26] <Joshun> it did seem rather nasty - the cable tidy built into it actually snapped off
[17:26] <fiddlinmacx> Is it the cable or the Power Supply that's the most important? I have a cheap cable plugged into a good USB power source and things seem to work fine.
[17:27] <Joshun> the power supply is fine
[17:27] <Joshun> just the cable
[17:27] <Joshun> it is 1A 5V so about the right amount
[17:27] <markbook> so a copper-zinc-lemon battery is 0.906v. You need two to power a pi? And then enough in parallel to have enough current.
[17:27] <NucWin> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/42150098/VIDEO0020.3gp <-- binary clock video if anyone interested [36MB](seconds)
[17:28] <nid0> Joshun: is your amazon cable really short like a lot of the reviewers are complaining about?
[17:28] <markbook> or 5 lemons serial, N parallel for 1A?
[17:28] <Joshun> nid0 - it is fairly short, but that isn't the problem
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[17:28] <fiddlinmacx> Nice markbook. Do you need a whole lemon for each cell? Can you cut the lemon up. You'd need fewer lemons that way.
[17:28] <Joshun> its only a cheap cable, i'll just order another one
[17:28] <nid0> its proof that its a dodgy knockoff though, a genuine ca-101 is about/just over a meter long
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[17:29] <Joshun> yeah thanks
[17:29] <markbook> fiddlinmacx You could cut them up, but it would be messy
[17:29] <fiddlinmacx> Mess is OK. Fruit is expensive ;-)
[17:29] <markbook> or you could juice them. The acid is just the electrolyte
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[17:29] <markbook> but the picture of a table full of lemons powering a Pi...
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[17:30] <fiddlinmacx> True. Or you could just use vinegar in shot glasses. It would make a good visual though.
[17:31] <fiddlinmacx> I guess the cost would be in all the pennies and nickels you'd need ;-)
[17:31] <egilhh> hmm... I have a chess board with shot glasses as game pieces...
[17:31] <fiddlinmacx> Cooool!
[17:31] <markbook> dang. Lemons have pH 2-3. Raspberries are only 3-4 pH
[17:31] <fiddlinmacx> No good.
[17:31] <Joshun> what if you concentrated them
[17:31] <nid0> i've got a game of shots and ladders :D
[17:31] <markbook> a tray full of raspberries with zinc and copper slivers ...
[17:32] <fiddlinmacx> OK. So who's going to get this done first.
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[17:32] <Joshun> how appetising
[17:32] <passstab_on_pi> yo
[17:32] <fiddlinmacx> Yeah. You could always eat them afterwards.
[17:32] <markbook> Hrrm. I wonder how acidic the pie filling is...
[17:32] <markbook> Raspberry and Lemon pie filling?
[17:33] <fiddlinmacx> Not very, I'd think. Too sour.
[17:33] <Joshun> what about limes
[17:33] <KrnlPanic> Would that be Lesberry?
[17:33] <Joshun> they are very cheap
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[17:33] <markbook> sour is acid. that's why citric acid is sour
[17:34] <fiddlinmacx> I mean they wouldn't want it to be sour out of the can.
[17:34] <markbook> http://www.winepress.us/forums/index.php?/topic/48219-pure-raspberry-juice-high-acid/
[17:34] <markbook> Hrrm the wine makers think Raspberry is acidic...
[17:34] <passstab_on_pi> i just installed a miniml rasbian image how do i start xfce?
[17:35] <markbook> heh go back and install the XFCE image?
[17:35] <Joshun> xfce isn't installed by default
[17:35] <Joshun> why not just download the xfce packages
[17:35] <passstab_on_pi> i installed it manually
[17:35] <Joshun> then edit .xinitrc
[17:36] <fiddlinmacx> http://www.thefruitpages.com/acidsweet.shtml - says Raspberrys are low-acid
[17:36] <Joshun> and change startlxde to startxfce4
[17:36] <passstab_on_pi> ah ok
[17:36] <passstab_on_pi> thanks
[17:36] <Joshun> you could also make a script to switch between them
[17:37] <XeCrypt> SD card arrived, Pi itself not yet :(
[17:37] <necreo> just found a samsung micro usb charger laying around
[17:37] <necreo> doesnt report a missing eth0 anyore :)
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[17:38] <mervaka> ;/
[17:38] <ReggieUK> huzzah
[17:38] <necreo> and i can boot it with mouse plugged in and hdmi is still working
[17:38] <necreo> SWEET
[17:39] <ReggieUK> is it a samsung charger or just the samsung cable?
[17:39] <necreo> so glad it works, you got no idea
[17:39] <ReggieUK> oh I do
[17:39] <necreo> samsung charger
[17:39] <necreo> entire thing
[17:39] <mervaka> sorry about this morning ReggieUK
[17:39] <ReggieUK> remember I had to reflow my sons crystal to get it to work
[17:39] <necreo> looks really flimsy tho
[17:39] <necreo> but it works, so ya :)
[17:39] <ReggieUK> that's ok mervaka, we talked last night :)
[17:39] <mervaka> :p
[17:40] <mervaka> if its any consolation, ive felt better.
[17:40] <ReggieUK> the samsung u2 cable that I've got looks incredibly flimsy compared to the thick 'tesco' micro usb cable I've got
[17:40] <ReggieUK> but the tesco cable doesn't work well either
[17:40] <necreo> never had this kind of problems before
[17:40] <ReggieUK> neither have I
[17:40] <necreo> usually you just get the right format and it just works
[17:41] <necreo> right type*
[17:41] <KrnlPanic> So I'm thinking powered USB hub -> USB Data cable -> RPi to supply power?
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[17:41] <necreo> spitting out some ssh key problems, going to try to solve those now before I attach it to my network
[17:42] <necreo> not fancying running up and down again if it turns out ssh isn't working
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[17:42] <egilhh> KrnlPanic: then you would need two cables between hub and Pi. And it's not guaranteed to work (although success is reported with some hubs in forums)
[17:43] <KrnlPanic> egilhh: Danke
[17:43] <markbook> I would think usb powered wall socket, -> pi power. Usb powered hub -> pi USB
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[17:43] <nid0> you can perfectly well in theory use a single hub to both power a pi and provide extra usb ports, you just need to make sure its a half decent hub
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[17:44] <KrnlPanic> markbook: So something like a cellphone charger? (Blackberry for instance?)
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[17:44] <markbook> I went to Staples and bought a wall-wart USB power supply. So far, so good
[17:44] <egilhh> well, "in theory" the hub is not required to supply more than 500mA, which is a bit low for the pi...
[17:44] <markbook> I haven't tested it for clean power.
[17:45] <KrnlPanic> nid0: That's what I was hoping for. Trying to eliminate a plug or two..
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[17:45] <nid0> 500mA is fine if you arent powering any usb devices from the pi
[17:45] <KrnlPanic> I haven't gotten my RPi yet so I haven't gotten to really check anything out..
[17:45] <nid0> (which you wouldnt be if the whole point is to use a hub)
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[17:47] <egilhh> "Model B owners using networking and high-current USB peripherals will require a supply which can source 700mA"
[17:47] <egilhh> so with networking, you're borderline, I'd say
[17:48] <necreo> yay
[17:48] <necreo> logged in for the first time
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[17:48] <necreo> so cool to see all the LEDs flash :D
[17:48] <KrnlPanic> necreo: Pics?
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[17:49] <necreo> took one as a matter of fact lol
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[17:49] <hotwings> markbook - the usb hub i got to power the rpi, is <half the size of the rpi :)
[17:49] <markbook> hey, power still takes size.
[17:50] <KrnlPanic> My RPi will be the most photographed PI in North America when i get it!!! ;)
[17:50] * markbook is more into making it work (not worrying about tight tolerances) than about making it compact and asthetically pleasing.
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[17:50] <hotwings> KrnlPanic - your rpi will also be the most unlooked at ;)
[17:51] <markbook> but anyone who likes to tweak, more power to them. so to speak.
[17:51] <KrnlPanic> hotwings: LoL. I'm sure of that.. but I will ogle and drool every day!
[17:52] <hotwings> i didnt set out with compactness or visually pleasing in mind at all
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[17:53] <netman87> fluxbox,openbox,xfce or which would be best?
[17:53] <Billiard> has it reached the point where you can order a rpi and get it in a couple of days now?
[17:53] <nid0> not even close
[17:54] <markbook> which ever has been most worked on by other people
[17:55] <hotwings> use console.. works great
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[17:56] <markbook> especially on a serial port
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[17:57] <necreo> typical, first thing I try to install (git) and it returns a 404
[17:57] <markbook> network config?
[17:57] <friggle> necreo: apt-get update first
[17:57] <necreo> using archlinux
[17:57] <necreo> and network works fine
[17:57] <necreo> ssh'd in and can ping outside
[17:57] <necreo> + it downloaded a perl package first
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[18:00] <necreo> KrnlPanic: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4480569/rpi.JPG
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[18:01] <KrnlPanic> necreo: I simply cannot wait to get mine!
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[18:02] <necreo> aimed for kids but it makes me feel like a kid to finally have gotten it to work
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[18:02] <necreo> upgrading system now
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[18:03] <IT_Sean> Would anybody like an order code for a raspi from RS?
[18:04] <dmsuse> didn't you refuse someone when offered a code?
[18:04] <IT_Sean> Yes, i declined an offered code.
[18:04] <IT_Sean> Your point?
[18:04] <dmsuse> and now you are offering one?
[18:04] <IT_Sean> YOu know what, forget it.
[18:06] <Butcho> surprised that RS bills your CC when you order rather than when it ships
[18:07] <dmsuse> yeah, they are earning interest on the money while making you wait 2 months or more
[18:07] <Butcho> 12 weeks they said
[18:07] <ReggieUK> yeah, a whole 4p
[18:08] <dmsuse> 4p per person.. 4p for a milliion people is ?
[18:08] <ReggieUK> irrelevant to me, it was only 4p I was out :D
[18:08] <dmsuse> you must have a really high rate to get 4p :P
[18:09] <ReggieUK> it was a random low number, as it's not really worth working out
[18:10] <tech2077> i love getting stuff in the mail
[18:10] <tech2077> now i can make a few nice blog posts
[18:10] <Gadgetoid> tech2077: don't we all, as long as it's not explosive or toxic
[18:10] <Gadgetoid> Well, actually, if you're in to amateur chemistry??? probably that too!
[18:10] <tech2077> Gadgetoid, i don't mind those either, thats the other hobby (is on #chemistry)
[18:10] <Gadgetoid> tech2077: What shiny toys have you got?
[18:11] <tech2077> now, or coming in
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[18:11] <tech2077> because i have a shiny reflective TFT display coming in the mail right now
[18:12] <tech2077> which is going to look great on my pi
[18:12] <Gadgetoid> Ooo, nice!
[18:12] <dmsuse> tech2077: cool, how big and how much?
[18:12] <mervaka> reflective?
[18:13] <tech2077> 1.8"@$20
[18:13] <Gadgetoid> Damn, Adafruit wont get the negative graphic LCD back in for 3-6 months :(
[18:13] <tech2077> :/
[18:13] <Gadgetoid> Had my heart set on that little fellow, the RGB backlight, the light on dark??? all so sexy
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[18:14] <tero> is anyone here using wheezy public beta?
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[18:14] <dmsuse> 1.8? wow thats small
[18:14] <tero> it seems that I can't reboot my pi
[18:14] <tero> when i type reboot
[18:14] <tero> it won't boot up
[18:14] <tero> it that just me or is a general error?
[18:15] <markbook> yeah, mine seems to shut down but power off. I haven't investigated if I'm screwing up
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[18:15] <friggle> markbook: tero: yes, others have had that problem
[18:15] <markbook> it doesn't actually have a power control circuit
[18:15] <markbook> if the USB has power, the unit is running
[18:15] <tero> i know about the power off :) that is not possible
[18:15] <tero> I am talking about reboot command
[18:15] <markbook> so I'm not sure how it would manage a full software controlled reboot
[18:16] <Holden> I have noticed the same problem on rapsbian: sometimes after a 'sudo reboot' it won't reboot...
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[18:16] <Gadgetoid> Haha, Call of Duty in China will feature various acts of war being covered by up the government
[18:17] <tech2077> lol
[18:17] <ReggieUK> steady now
[18:17] <ReggieUK> that's a bit strong
[18:17] <ReggieUK> you could call most nations out on something like that
[18:17] <Gadgetoid> That's not what the press release actually said, but it's how it turned out in my head!
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[18:18] <Gadgetoid> True, though, ReggieUK
[18:18] <Gadgetoid> Glass houses, throwing stones and all that
[18:19] <Cheery> yeah
[18:19] <Cheery> bashing chinese for censorship is silly
[18:19] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, but it makes an easy joke??? not that Call of Duty doesn't make enough of a joke on its lonesome
[18:20] <Gadgetoid> Looks like I'm going to have to go for the positive version of the ST7565
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[18:20] <Cheery> actually it makes you look silly considering you live in a country that does similar things.
[18:21] <Cheery> (well.. if you're european or US citizen)
[18:21] <Gadgetoid> I'm pretty sure jokes aren't mutually exclusive :D
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[18:22] <Cheery> I don't find it much of a joke, since it indicates someone is trying to get wealth and power, while he would earn a bullet to his forehead
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[18:24] <Gadgetoid> The first rule of humour is that everything is funny, or nothing is funny, as soon as you start drawing lines to please people then where do you stop?
[18:24] <ReggieUK> this is probably a topic for pm or another channel :)
[18:24] <tech2077> usually dead people
[18:24] <Cheery> well.. I'm perhaps bit grumpy as I've heard that joke soe many times now
[18:25] <Gadgetoid> That's why in the same breath I'd rag on everyone in the UK for being so absurdly mad as to burn an effigy of Guyfawkes *and* hate the government at the same time
[18:25] <tech2077> heh
[18:25] <Cheery> hey you likely have some nice stuff you've been doing with pi right?
[18:25] <Gadgetoid> Cheery: Still going with my Pi crazyness, yep! did you get yours yet?
[18:26] <Cheery> it's sitting in wires, ready for me to access it anytime
[18:26] <Gadgetoid> Cheery: I was looking forward to seeing where your compositing adventure is going!
[18:26] <ReggieUK> that's stereotypical, not everyone hates the government
[18:26] <Cheery> though it's been mostly idle now
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[18:26] <tech2077> allied told me i could order another
[18:26] <Gadgetoid> ReggieUK: Yeah, some of the government don't hate themselves??? but only some :D
[18:26] <tech2077> but that it would arriv ein 10 weeks
[18:26] <Cheery> Gadgetoid: I've got more coming on it, but I'm busy giving a roll for one another project
[18:26] <ReggieUK> and why should a small group of men get to decide that they don't like the current lot and remove them?
[18:27] <ReggieUK> it's how you end up with coups and dictators
[18:27] <Gadgetoid> I suppose it's more productive to hate the apathy that brought the current state of government into place and allow it to remain largely unchecked
[18:27] <tech2077> i wish i could have two pis
[18:27] <tech2077> Pi's
[18:27] <tech2077> one to keep functional
[18:27] <Gadgetoid> tech2077: Me too
[18:28] <Cheery> I'd have two pis, but other of them messed up :D
[18:28] <Gadgetoid> Since I've committed to run my blog from my Pi, it's somewhat difficult to experiment
[18:28] <tech2077> heh
[18:28] <tech2077> Cheery, what happened to it
[18:28] <Cheery> doa
[18:28] <dmsuse> umm... how do i make bash do something based on the key i press?
[18:28] <Gadgetoid> Time to jet off home, hurrah!
[18:29] <Gadgetoid> dmsuse: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_08_02.html
[18:30] <dmsuse> thnx
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[18:37] <tero> um has anyone tried to install a 3G usb modem?
[18:40] <Cheery> lets see..
[18:41] <Cheery> I could actually take and rewrite the fileformat now.
[18:41] <Cheery> by the end of the day would like to get coffeesipper running again too
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[18:42] <Joshun> tero - should work if it is supported by debian. you may have to install firmware though
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[18:50] <toonsworld> hi, so i just orderd a pi, and i was wondering what projects are made for it?
[18:52] <hotwings> somebody made a remote control army tank using wifi
[18:53] <toonsworld> cool
[18:53] <dirty_d> pics?
[18:54] <toonsworld> i see on youtube people try to use it as a emulator
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[18:56] <Joshun> its supposed to work well on snes/ nes etc.
[18:56] <chaoshax> Is Iplayer really slow for anyone else?
[18:56] <Joshun> psx doesn't work yet though
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[18:56] <toonsworld> u want to run psx on that??
[18:56] <Joshun> it should run in theory
[18:56] <booyaa|pi> heh im having far too
[18:56] <booyaa|pi> mich fun with my rpi
[18:57] <Joshun> chaoshax - are you using the get-iplayer script?
[18:57] <chaoshax> Joshun, No I am just using a browser.
[18:57] <chaoshax> Not on the pi, I am talking the website
[18:57] <Joshun> oh
[18:57] <Joshun> well use the get-iplayer script
[18:57] <booyaa|pi> i dont think prompt (ios ssh client) like irssi
[18:57] <Joshun> it downloads a programme in about 5 mins
[18:58] <toonsworld> btw whats the application format? how do u compile apps for it?
[18:58] <Joshun> chaoshax: http://www.infradead.org/get_iplayer/html/get_iplayer.html
[18:59] <booyaa|pi> i think its a perl acript
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[19:01] <toonsworld> can it run webgl?
[19:02] <Joshun> would be unlikely
[19:02] <Joshun> it only supports opengl es
[19:02] <muep> applications are mostly either scripts (i.e. text files) or ELF files (in case they are native code)
[19:03] <Joshun> and opengl require immense processing capabilities
[19:03] <muep> afaik webgl is quite close to opengl es 2.0
[19:03] <Joshun> it fails to run even on netbooks though
[19:03] <Joshun> i doubt it would perform well on the raspberry pi
[19:03] <muep> so it might be reasonable to implement webgl on top of opengl es 2.0
[19:03] <passstab> dat was fun :)
[19:03] <muep> but likely there is no such implementation easily available
[19:03] <toonsworld> i just was thinking if it wood work since its made in javascript
[19:04] <Joshun> they need to get gpu acceleration working in X.org first
[19:04] <Joshun> at the moment windows are still drawn by the cpu
[19:04] <muep> toonsworld: webgl is an API for javascript applications but it does not mean that webgl itself is just javascript
[19:05] <toonsworld> muep i mean its easy to script an app in it
[19:05] <muep> a simple implementation might just translate calls from the script to calls in the native opengl es implementation
[19:06] <Joshun> it would have to be efficient enough to run well on the rpi's processor
[19:06] <toonsworld> but is the qauke tech demo also all mede of scripts?
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[19:07] <muep> Joshun: most of the opengl stuff would run on the GPU anyway
[19:07] <Joshun> but the implementation would require the cpu to translate the calls
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[19:08] <muep> it would not be much different from having a python program use an opengl (es) library
[19:08] <muep> wrapping calls from the script to the native library would not be very cpu intensive
[19:09] <toonsworld> but isnt it more eficiant to use a binary instead of scripts
[19:10] <Joshun> you would still end up having to port apps to opengl es
[19:10] <muep> toonsworld: somewhat, but I do not see why that would prevent the possibility of making meaningful opengl-based applications in non-native compiled languages
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[19:10] <chnops> I'm happy and sad simultaneously over the fact that a $35 rpi can play 1080p HD perfectly fine, while my $400 tablet can't even play 720p without hickups
[19:11] <muep> e.g. webgl could be pretty much the same on full opengl platforms and ones with just the es
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[19:11] <muep> since there is no separate spec for embedded users
[19:11] <Joshun> when x.org uses hardware acceleration this may work fine
[19:11] <Joshun> at the moment though it would be incredibly slow
[19:12] <muep> yes, at the moment the X side is pretty much unaccelerated
[19:12] <Joshun> although you can make apps outside of X
[19:12] <muep> so while a webgl implementation could in theory exist there, it would heavily involve the CPU and be very slow
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[19:13] <toonsworld> so what sude i use to do small 3D apps on rpi
[19:13] <muep> opengl es
[19:14] <muep> the recommended image ships with an opengl es implementation you could use
[19:14] <Joshun> at the moment doing it through framebuffer would be the best way to go
[19:14] <mm0zct> toonsworld: quake3 is a compiled native elf binary, there are no scripts
[19:15] <toonsworld> yes oke , total noob here, sude i compile on anoter pc with say ubuntu on it
[19:15] <toonsworld> how do i make rpi apps
[19:15] <mm0zct> you would need to set up a cross compiler toolchain
[19:15] <mm0zct> a good start is just to use pyton on the pi itself
[19:15] <muep> or install a gcc on the pi
[19:15] <mm0zct> it's a scripting language but I think there are 3d packages appearing for the Pi with it
[19:15] <Joshun> your best bet would be to use the same debian version as on the pi
[19:16] <mm0zct> I just install gcc and compile stuff on the Pi
[19:16] <RAThomas> Even though I had couldn't get the RPi to properly process polar radar data at 80 Mb/s, I'm still pretty impressed with it's network performance
[19:16] <RAThomas> http://pastebin.com/XTfPsVe0
[19:16] <mm0zct> it's pretty slow going though
[19:16] <muep> the pi is easily capable of compiling small programs by itself
[19:16] <Joshun> yeah
[19:16] <RAThomas> It did handle the radar data better at about 40 Mb/s, but I think the bottleneck is CPU, not network
[19:16] <Joshun> but compiling something like a kernel would take forever
[19:17] <muep> depends on how big the kernel config is
[19:17] <mm0zct> RAThomas: I think the issue is probably the way the network is attached over the usb, and the high CPU overhead of the USB implementation
[19:17] <muep> I used to compile kernels on another board with quite comparable CPU
[19:18] <muep> a minimal config might be quite easily buildable, though not as fast as one'd want in cases where it needs to be built multiple times to experiment with things
[19:18] <toonsworld> what if u compile ur kernal in vertual box
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[19:18] <mm0zct> virtualbox is a VM not an emulator
[19:18] <mm0zct> it can't emulate the ARM system that the Pi runs on
[19:18] <muep> to compile native stuff from other operating systems, you'd generally need a cross compiler
[19:18] <mm0zct> QEMU on the other hand is an option
[19:18] <ReggieUK> but you could cross compile in one
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[19:19] <mm0zct> for first starters I would recommend just compiling on the device
[19:19] <ReggieUK> scratchbox2 + qemu= win
[19:19] <ReggieUK> not sure about that, depends what's being compiled
[19:19] <mm0zct> well, unless they want to re-build the kernel every day
[19:20] <RAThomas> netperf stats at my pastebin link above do show surprisingly (to me) through put, though.
[19:20] <toonsworld> wait do u have to compile the kernal? is there a pre compiled thing?
[19:20] <mm0zct> LLVM2.9 took 14 hours, if you want a point of reference, it takes an hour or so on a multicore x86 box
[19:20] <mm0zct> there are a few prebuilt distros
[19:20] <muep> toonsworld: you do not need to build it
[19:20] <mm0zct> don't wory you don't have to compile the kernel
[19:21] <toonsworld> pfew thats good
[19:21] <RAThomas> well, at least the RPi's UDP throughput looked decent
[19:22] <toonsworld> are there any comericial apps on it? (like stuff u have to pay for)
[19:22] <mm0zct> afaik not yet
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[19:23] <Walther> ...btw, what are the hottest temperatures measured from a Pi?
[19:23] <mm0zct> mine's only ever slightly warm to touch
[19:23] <Walther> I've enclosed mine inside a playing card box inside an old CD drive, just thinking if it can light on load
[19:24] <Walther> I've read measurements of >60??C
[19:24] <Walther> from some blog
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[19:24] <mm0zct> it's certainly nothing like the pandaboard (my supervisor learned not to touch that after essentially burning his finger)
[19:25] <Walther> time echo "scale=10000;4*a(1)" | bc -l
[19:25] <RAThomas> Walther: I think I've got a non-contact thermometer here... I could load my Pi to max and measure. Got it on a bench in a server room, though. It's *cold* in there.
[19:25] <Walther> ^pretty nice thing to get some load going on :)
[19:26] <Walther> RAThomas: heh, at least supposed to be ;)
[19:26] <Walther> (I was in a server room once that had its *main* air outlets blocked ...ambient at >45C
[19:27] <Walther> too much dust is not a good thing
[19:28] <RAThomas> I had to retreat to my office, now ssh'd to the rpi. Its 100 deg F outside and I was shivering in there ;)
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[19:29] <RAThomas> Any temp sensor on the BCM die? I don't recall seeing anything in the "peripherals" datasheat
[19:30] <Walther> RAThomas: http://hackaday.com/2012/06/23/checking-out-the-temperature-of-a-raspberry-pi/
[19:30] <Walther> ...that's pretty hot
[19:30] <RAThomas> yeah. We've some FLIR scopes here at work, but I doubt I can borrow one :(
[19:31] <RAThomas> I'd like to own one, but they start at about $1500
[19:31] <Walther> heh
[19:32] <Walther> I'm calculating first 10k digits of pi on my desktop and pi, let's see which one wins and by how much :P
[19:34] <plugwash> is the test program single threaded or multi-threaded?
[19:34] <Walther> bc, single threaded
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[19:34] <Walther> time echo "scale=10000;4*a(1)" | bc -l
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[19:35] <Walther> on my desktop, real 4m14.099s
[19:35] <dmsuse> i completed my pi sex machine lawl
[19:35] <Walther> dmsuse: hah, link?
[19:35] <ReggieUK> not appropriate
[19:36] <chaoshax> dmsuse, Send me a pm, I am interested.
[19:36] <Walther> ah yeah true
[19:36] <dmsuse> Walther: umm no lol
[19:36] <dmsuse> i wish i didn't suck so bad at bash
[19:36] <dmsuse> maybe i should just use php
[19:37] <ReggieUK> use whatever works for you
[19:37] <ReggieUK> bash, php, morse code
[19:38] <dmsuse> morse code?
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[19:38] <Walther> why not Whitespace, or Malbolge?
[19:38] <Walther> http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/toplist.html
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[19:41] <Walther> hm, my pi is still calculating the digits...
[19:41] <nid0> your pi will probably be calculating to 10k for quite some time
[19:42] <muep> the CPU in pi is likely some orders of magnitude slower than the one in your bigger computer
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[19:45] <IT_Sean> You are calculating Pi to 10k digits on your Pi?
[19:45] <Walther> Hm, not as big difference as I thought
[19:45] <IT_Sean> Check abck next year.
[19:45] <Walther> real 22m44.756s
[19:45] <Walther> desktop 14min, Pi 22min
[19:45] <nid0> hold on, 14 minutes on your desktop?
[19:46] <nid0> I thought you said 4 earlier, what is your desktop, a 90's celeron?
[19:46] <Walther> *ahem* 4min
[19:46] <Walther> :P
[19:47] <Walther> (but yes, my CPU is awful - AMD Phenom(tm) 9500 Quad-Core Processor)
[19:47] * haltdef chucks ivy bridge at Walther
[19:48] <nid0> do also remember that your desktop cpu could do 4 of those calculations in that time
[19:48] <Walther> I know I know... but at least I've got a GTX570 1280MB :P
[19:48] <nid0> whereas the pi can only manage 1 in that 22 mins
[19:48] <Walther> nid0: ...if bc supported multithreading
[19:48] <haltdef> is your cpu not causing a bottleneck in some games?
[19:48] <Walther> haltdef: sure it is, but until i get more money...
[19:48] <haltdef> I see
[19:49] <haltdef> I just upgraded from an i7 920
[19:49] <Walther> it is cheaper still to get a new PSU and a GPU than mobo, ram, cpu
[19:49] <haltdef> really wanted to build a new pc, haven't made use of it yet
[19:49] <nid0> Walther: yes, but also irrelevant, as it still demonstrates the difference, the pi was flat out for 22 mins, your phenom was running at 25% to do it in 4
[19:49] <Walther> nid0: true.
[19:49] <Walther> now running for 50k - let's see in a couple of hours :P
[19:49] <haltdef> I guess AMD chips have to be faster than *something*
[19:49] <haltdef> :>
[19:50] <nid0> I just tested one of work's servers, 3 min 57 secs here
[19:50] <Walther> haltdef: tbh, I'm an Intel guy, this is just a computer I got for free :P
[19:51] <haltdef> I do hope AMD give intel some competition soon
[19:51] <haltdef> isn't good for the market
[19:51] <Walther> haltdef: ...for a longer story, a year ago I sold my pc (core2quad q6600 etc) with the intention of building a new machine - but the money disappeared to rent, food, etc)
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> right. chance to relax for a bit!
[19:51] <haltdef> ick
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[19:52] <gordonDrogon> so do I develop my little fun LCD into something more or just leave it as little proof of concept... ?
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pilcd.jpg
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[19:53] <haltdef> hah epic
[19:53] <Walther> gordonDrogon: one thing I was considering to do was to output the IP addresses - no need for a monitor when connecting in a new environment
[19:53] <Walther> both ext and subnet IP
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[19:53] <Walther> also, nice work
[19:54] <Walther> (what's the potentiometer for?)
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[20:04] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/lcd-interface/
[20:05] <Walther> gordonDrogon: I could be interested at the code, I might end up getting a LCD panel like that, thank you
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> Walther, bit of a sledgehammer way - although it might be handy for some - I'd normally give devices on my LAN a static IP, but I've given these a statically allocated one via DHCP, so I can still use them on other peoples networks...
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[20:07] <Walther> yeah. I've set up mine as a home server, but as soon as I get another (when it's allowed) I'll have the other as a portable device - getting the IP's without a big monitor could come in handy
[20:09] <Walther> Hmm. So, I take it the GPU is more powerful for certain types of computing than the CPU on the Pi?
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[20:10] <markbook> well GPU's are tuned for array processing.
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> Walther, http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/gpioExamples/
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> it's in there
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[20:12] <Pyrofer> Hello
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> yea, they're tuned for what they're tuned for - which usually isn't general purpose computing, although some can be levered to do that..
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> the early ones were more general purpose, but from what I gather current ones have more specialised "stuff" in them.
[20:13] <Pyrofer> is there a good draw/paint package I can install on the pi?
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> Pyrofer, you can try tuxpaint - but it's aimed at kids.
[20:14] <Pyrofer> yes, thats what i want :)
[20:14] <Pyrofer> 6yo
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> however GIMP is the usual draw/photo manipulation program in Linux land.
[20:14] <Pyrofer> ( he is nearly 7)
[20:14] <Pyrofer> I will try both see which he gets on with.
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> it runs faster under Raspbian, but you never know..
[20:14] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=403
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> He will not get on with gimp!
[20:14] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: what do you think?
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, I can see that it's a factorial program, but ...
[20:15] <Cheery> I wrote that faster than in text editor.. but just because I added shift-macros for every syntax element
[20:15] * gordonDrogon scratches his head.
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> you have a text editor that runs programs like that?
[20:17] <Cheery> it's not a text editor. :)
[20:17] <Cheery> and text editor isn't running them yet
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> DEF FN factorial(n)
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> IF n = 1 THEN = 1
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> = n * FN factorial(n - 1)
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> I have difficulty reading the colours, but I know that's more me than most people.
[20:19] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: yeah. it's bit less compact than your usual code.. but who knows whether I figure that out.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[20:21] <Cheery> it's also mildly inconvenient to type, but much less than the list-style structures.
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[20:25] <cvpcs|work> anyone in here know what became of the work teh_orph was doing on an xorg driver for rpi?
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[20:25] <Pyrofer> anybody recommend anything else to keep a 6yo busy on the PI? apart from paint?
[20:26] <Pyrofer> any simple music app? or educational games?
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> Doom :)
[20:26] <Pyrofer> lol.
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> Scratch?
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> entry-level programming ...
[20:26] <hotwings> bash scripting
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> or BASIC if you want :)
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/ ;-)
[20:26] <Pyrofer> scratch is already on there isnt it?
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> Should be.
[20:27] <hotwings> raspbmc. just make sure he knows how to reboot the rpi when it crashes
[20:27] <Pyrofer> no network connection in the boys room, so making sure I load up first.
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[20:28] <Pyrofer> Oh ****. 4 Gig SD, but its full. I bet stupid image writer didnt re-size so its a 2gig partition
[20:28] <hotwings> "nuts" isnt profane, you dont need to censor it
[20:29] <Pyrofer> rootfs 1602528 1602520 0 100% /
[20:29] <Pyrofer> dev/mmcblk0p1 76186 28090 48096 37% /boot
[20:30] <Pyrofer> :(
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> Pyrofer, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> resise it live.
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> resize it live too.
[20:30] <Pyrofer> cool, thanks!
[20:30] <Pyrofer> pretty fed up it didnt have ssh enabled by default
[20:30] <Pyrofer> that took ages to work out.
[20:31] <Pyrofer> sudo fdisk -uc /dev/mmcblk0
[20:31] <Pyrofer> ARGH!
[20:31] <Pyrofer> Why do all putty windows look the same.
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[20:36] <gordonDrogon> Pyrofer, if you create profiles, I think putty (windoze) can put their title on the title bar, but it's been years since I used putty (or windoez)
[20:36] <Pyrofer> I use different systems all the time, I get confused :( At least I didnt type my online banking password here for once :p
[20:38] <practisevoodoo__> i want to connect probably 8 LEDs to my pi, now i can see that trying to drive all those LEDS off the pi is probably a bad idea but if i had the leds hooked to a 5v source and then just used the gpio pins to sink the current for each one i would probably be ok right?
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[20:38] <Pyrofer> along with current limit resistor for each led
[20:38] <Pyrofer> should be ok I think
[20:38] <practisevoodoo__> oh yeah that too, they're ultra brights so i just been 100ohm on each one
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[20:40] <Pyrofer> the sink current for the cpu should be in the data sheet, but I think most leds are fine.
[20:40] <Pyrofer> I do it with pic/avr all the time anyway
[20:41] <plugwash> practisevoodoo__, DO NOT do that
[20:41] <practisevoodoo__> my concern was with the number of leds
[20:41] <practisevoodoo__> ah, ok why?
[20:41] <Pyrofer> if you are concerned use a buffer ic of some sort
[20:41] <Pyrofer> or a dedicated led driver
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> practisevoodoo__, 8 LEDs is a walk in the park.
[20:42] <practisevoodoo__> yeah that's my backup plan but if i do it with less complexity then i will
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> practisevoodoo__, http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
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[20:43] <plugwash> connecting a LED powered from a 5V supply direct to a Pi IO pin could damage the Pi by pulling that pin outside of it's allowable voltage range
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> use 270 ohm resistors and hig intensity LEDs if you like and you'll be (just) inside the limits of 15mA per pin.
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[20:43] <plugwash> plus using a seperate power supply won't really gain you much, the limiting factor on how much current you can safely run is still the drivers in the IO pins
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> and as plugwash says, don't hook them to +5v. connect them to ground ...
[20:44] <simcop2387> Hah, got an email from element14 that they were taking orders again, site went down minutes after i got the email. I think everyone wants them still.
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[20:44] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, no connect them to 3.3V
[20:44] <practisevoodoo__> and actually drive them off the pins?
[20:44] <plugwash> because cmos outputs are generally better at sinking than sourcing
[20:44] <fiddlinmacx> No big surprise there simcop2387
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, Hm.
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> not sure it really makes a difference at this level though.
[20:45] <practisevoodoo__> ok i seem to be getting contradictory advice here
[20:45] <simcop2387> fiddlinmacx: nope but it is fun to see :)
[20:45] <plugwash> practisevoodoo__, if you actually need 100ma through the LEDs you will HAVE to use an external driver of some sort
[20:45] <Pyrofer> run them from 3.3v rail to resistor to pi pin
[20:45] <markbook> practisevoodoo__: situation nromal...
[20:45] <markbook> normal
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> well i've given you proof it's ok to drive 17 LEDs - so 8 is easy...
[20:46] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, depends entirely on the LEDs in question
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[20:46] <practisevoodoo__> ok i thought that the pi had 300mA to spare?
[20:46] <plugwash> small indicator LEDs sure, high power LEDs no
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> 15mA per pin.
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[20:46] <fiddlinmacx> simcop2387: how do you 'whisper' like that?
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[20:46] <practisevoodoo__> each of the leds ive got here can take 20ma
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> I have some LEDs that are too bright to look at with 270R's ...
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> off a gpio pin.
[20:48] <gurgalof> 1kR for indication...
[20:48] <gurgalof> 100R for bright
[20:48] <gurgalof> thats my rule of thumb on 3v3
[20:48] <plugwash> ahh I must have misread, I thought you were using some massive LEDs that needed 100ma each
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> if you want to drive stupid bright like Luxeons then you'll need a driver of some sort... uln2803 ish..
[20:48] <simcop2387> fiddlinmacx: what do you mean, whisper?
[20:48] <practisevoodoo__> let me start again
[20:49] <Pyrofer> get an SPI led strip, much easier.
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[20:49] <plugwash> regular LEDs should be ok on a Pi GPIO pin and the best way to hook them up is almost certainly between 3.3V and the pin
[20:49] <plugwash> with a suitable series resistor
[20:49] <practisevoodoo__> i want to control 8 leds (20ma max, voltage drop 3.2)
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> practisevoodoo__, if you can live with 15mA then you'll be fine. I doubt you'll notice the differenc ein brightness TBH.
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[20:50] <practisevoodoo__> my plan was to connect them to the same 5v supply i was using to drive the pi and just use the gpio pins to sink the currect when i want to turn them off
[20:50] <Pyrofer> dont use the 5v, use a 3.3v
[20:50] <plugwash> practisevoodoo__, I'd start by trying to hook them up between 3.3V and the GPIO pins with a 100 ohm resistor, if that is bright enough great, if not you will need to use some kind of drive circuit
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> AIUI if a gpio pin sees > 3.3v it's a gonner ...
[20:51] <practisevoodoo__> ok but then i need to use the pi to supply the 3.3
[20:51] <fiddlinmacx> simcop2387: your text has a dotted border and a background colour. Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm kinda new to IRC.
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[20:52] <simcop2387> fiddlinmacx: ah that's likely because of your client. because i said your name it highlights the text for you to see it better. mine does a similar thing, making your name yellow when you say mine.
[20:52] <fiddlinmacx> Cool.
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> I'd really check the current draw with a 100 ohm resistor though.
[20:53] <Pyrofer> ok, time to put the pi in the kids room, bbl.
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[20:53] <gordonDrogon> I suspect you'll be over the max.
[20:53] <practisevoodoo__> ok i'll try it sout
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[20:53] <simcop2387> i'm trying to decide how many pis i should order. i want one or two myself for things but i also wonder about getting one for my niece and nephew, how well would they work for a "desktop" for a couple of elementry school students that have never really *USED* a computer before?
[20:53] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, I don't, most LEDs will drop at least a couple of volts so I doubt the voltage across the resistor will be more than a volt
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[20:54] <plugwash> simcop2387, I think it depends entirely on what you want to do with the system
[20:54] <nid0> simcop2387: at the moment you're still limited to 1 pi per distributor anyway, and with a long wait
[20:54] <plugwash> the Pi doesn't seem to have the grunt to run modern desktop apps properly
[20:54] <simcop2387> element14/newark is letting you put up to 10 in today, they might only ship one at a time though i can't tell.
[20:54] <nid0> but, the pis will work as desktop systems, but they will be slow. dont get your hopes up on something thats going to serve as a desktop replacement for ??30
[20:55] <Walther> Hm, 50k digits of pi does take an awful long time - even my desktop is still running the task
[20:55] <Walther> however, for a first computer, why not
[20:55] <simcop2387> nid0: not as a replacement, but as a first desktop for a 5 and 6 year old to draw stuff and maybe play some simple games
[20:55] <Walther> ^that.
[20:55] <nid0> Walther: its basically an exponential increase
[20:55] <Walther> nid0: we'll see about that :D
[20:56] <Pyrofer> thats exactly what I got this one for
[20:56] <Pyrofer> first computer for 6yo
[20:56] <Walther> nid0: 10k took 4min, 50k has taken a bigger part of an hour already - and that's on my desktop, not to mention the Pi... :P
[20:56] <simcop2387> i think i'll go for 2 then, even if it takes until august like they said, one for them, and one for me :)
[20:56] <nid0> Walther: yeah, I wouldnt be suprised if your pi takes a good couple of days
[20:56] <simcop2387> gonna use mine for a print server and maybe something else after playing.
[20:57] <nid0> just take at the look at the difference between doing it to 1k and 10k, youll probably find your desktop can do 1k in under a second
[20:57] <Pyrofer> put servos on the io pins and make a hexapod robot?
[20:57] <nid0> then 22 minutes for 10k
[20:57] <practisevoodoo__> ok gordonDrogon, it's 20ma
[20:58] <practisevoodoo__> i shoudl probably just use a driver
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[20:58] <plugwash> yeah, the driver doesn't need to be anything fancy, a jellybean mosfet will do
[20:58] <simcop2387> Pyrofer: i've got a bunch of avrs for that :) i am tempted to see how well the pi does with some simple opencv stuff like looking for a landing pad on a helicopter
[20:59] <Pyrofer> hah, I could put the pi on my quadcopter :p
[20:59] <practisevoodoo__> plugwash, well i#ve got a spare driver ic somewhere, i might use that
[21:00] <practisevoodoo__> i can control 16 leds using 12c with dimming and everyhitng
[21:00] <simcop2387> Pyrofer: yea i want to have it find the helipad and order the controller to orient it properly and land. make a bit of an automatic charging setup and have my own little useless drone.
[21:00] <Pyrofer> not useless
[21:00] <Pyrofer> TACO Copter
[21:00] <simcop2387> lol
[21:00] <Pyrofer> just dont wrap it in a dead cat
[21:00] <tero> hmm
[21:00] <tero> what does this process do?
[21:00] <tero> http://i.imgur.com/jXafb.png
[21:01] <Pyrofer> bbl
[21:01] <simcop2387> tero: if i had to guess, it's part of the sd card reader
[21:01] <tero> hm...
[21:01] <simcop2387> it's not really a process but part of the kernel, used for accounting time
[21:02] <cehteh> yes thats the card-reader driver
[21:02] <plugwash> Personally i'd probablly something like http://uk.farnell.com/on-semiconductor/2n7000g/mosfet-n-to-92/dp/1459027 if I needed more current and/or voltage on a LED than the Pi could drive directly
[21:02] <nid0> tero: I assume you're busy shovelling audio over http when that top was taken?
[21:03] <simcop2387> plugwash: i usually use a bjt for that kind of thing because i've got hundreds lying around
[21:03] <tero> nid0 yes i have mpd for listening to internet radio
[21:04] <plugwash> simcop2387, yeah a BJT works too, it just means you need a series resistor as well while the mosfet lets you do it in one component
[21:04] <nid0> tero: are you running the latest firmware?
[21:04] <plugwash> *base resistor not series resistor
[21:04] <plugwash> you need the series resistor either way
[21:04] <tero> nid0 well i am running debian wheezy
[21:05] <simcop2387> plugwash: yep, usually that's not a problem for me though.
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[21:06] <plugwash> another technique I sometimes use is using a BJT in a variant of an amplifier configuration as both a switch and a current controller
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[21:06] <plugwash> that way I can run the LEDs off an unregulated supply and keep the current through them constant
[21:07] <aykut> oh god why ?
[21:07] <aykut> installed chrome on debian but peformans suck :(
[21:07] <IT_Sean> /clear
[21:08] <simcop2387> plugwash: not a bad idea, i think that's how some of the fancy led chrsitmas lights do it actually
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[21:10] <plugwash> specificially I have three resistors, one from the control line (which is assumed to be derived from a regulated supply and have a stable voltage) to the base of the transistor, one from the base of the transistor to ground and one from the emitter of the transistor to ground
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[21:10] <plugwash> the load is then connected to the collector of the transistor
[21:10] <Walther> nid0: on my desktop, 1k .07s, 2k 4s, 8k 24s...
[21:10] <Walther> 0.7s*
[21:11] <plugwash> very stable system, I can change the supply voltage to the LED string from 10V to 15V with no change in brightness with that drive circuit
[21:11] <nid0> spirals up quickly doesnt it
[21:11] <Walther> mmhmm
[21:11] <Walther> probably I should just ^C the whole thing
[21:11] <Walther> (or just let it run because why not, <3.5W anyway)
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[21:12] <nid0> I have a suspicion that days might be horribly optimistic actually, on your pi
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[21:13] <Walther> might be.
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[21:13] <Walther> my desktop didn't complete it in 80m
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[21:13] <booyaa> chaps read that there's a sd resizing tool as part of the wheezy image
[21:13] <booyaa> what's it called?
[21:14] <plugwash> I think if you run rpi-config it's one of the menu items
[21:14] <booyaa> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435 1st bullet point
[21:14] <booyaa> an cheers
[21:15] <booyaa> where does rpi-config live?
[21:15] <booyaa> which rpi-config yields nothing
[21:15] <booyaa> let me check my image date
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[21:16] <plugwash> I may have misrememberd the name, I haven't tried the foundation's wheezy images myself
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[21:17] <booyaa> mmm i think the downloads debian is older
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> Average selling price on ebay for PIs is now ~retail
[21:18] <megatog615> is there something wrong with the latest rpi-update kernel?
[21:18] <pjm> anyone have an idea what the current 'waiting time' is for rpi orders via rswww ?
[21:18] <booyaa> it's 2012-04-19 vs 2012-06-18
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> pjm: It's funny you should ask that.
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> pjm: I just had the 'order now' link for my recent application for one
[21:19] <pjm> ahh how long ago did u reg for interest?
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[21:20] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, not really when I search completed listings they still seem to be selling way above retail
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[21:21] <plugwash> not as far above as they used to be but they all seem over ??40 shipped
[21:21] <simcop2387> hope i don't accidentally order 50 of these things. lol site keeps going up and down due to demand
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[21:21] <plugwash> the price shown on an ebay listing before it completes means little because smart bidders don't big until the last minuite or so
[21:21] <plugwash> *don't bid
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[21:22] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: Way above retail - I don't think so - many going for ~38 inc shipping - that's 4 quid over retail
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> Sure it varies a bit
[21:23] <plugwash> retail at least in the uk from farnell is ??30 shipped
[21:24] <muep> one very nice thing in RPi is that the MAC address of the ethernet interface is stable :-)
[21:24] <markbook> something *isn't*?
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[21:24] <plugwash> and nearly every actual sale price (not current price of an ongoing listing which is as I say pretty meaningless) that I see is over ??40 shipped
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[21:25] <pjm> anyone tried that rpi based logic analyser project?
[21:25] <SpeedEvil> pjm: 10 days
[21:25] <pjm> ok thanks
[21:25] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: farnell is 34
[21:25] <pjm> farnell says its open to general purchase on thursday
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[21:25] <SpeedEvil> RS is 34
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[21:26] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Type-B-Single-Board-Computer-Brand-New-Unopened-/261055573073?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item3cc81fec51 for example
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[21:28] <plugwash> On my first check through the list I thought they were all above ??40 but you are right one did sell for ??39.50 shipped
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> I misread a bit.
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> I thought some were a bit below that.
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> But ~6 quid over isn't silly anymore
[21:29] <booyaa> man i love how quickly the rpi boots up
[21:29] <plugwash> I've just checked farnell and they say ??24.55 + ??4.91 VAT, and free basic shipping for a total of ??29.46
[21:29] <booyaa> this as a headless box
[21:30] <plugwash> and MOST are selling for more than that
[21:30] <plugwash> Afaict ebay is currently aboout a ??10-??20 premium which on a ??30 item is pretty significant
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[21:31] <markbook> all you have to do though is be patient
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[21:32] <booyaa> going to enable l2 cache next methinks
[21:32] <booyaa> heh i had 65mb on rootfs now i've got 2.1GB :D
[21:32] <slug> anyone here running ROS ?
[21:33] * plugwash has run riscos in the past but not on a Pi
[21:33] <plugwash> To me the Pi port of riscos is only interesting if it can run legacy riscos software and while afaict someone is working on that it isn't ready yet
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[21:42] <merlin1991> anybody else who saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_NvDTZIaS4 and felt his heart slowly falling apart when he keeps using sudo all the time?
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[21:45] * plugwash would just log in as root and not bother with sudo
[21:45] <oister|work> sudo does get annoying
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[21:45] <ReggieUK> 10mins to explain wiggling a gpio is what concerns me
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[21:45] <booyaa> seen a f ew vids where they hate sudo-ing and just do sudo bash
[21:45] <booyaa> mind you sudo gets a lot of flack from our sysadmins
[21:46] <ReggieUK> ohhhhh, how to use gpio #23 isn't the pin number he's talking about :D
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> sudo -i
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[21:46] <gordonDrogon> actually, I just use su and become root...
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[21:46] <gordonDrogon> old habits..
[21:46] <ReggieUK> but he's slightly flawed on his definition of the DNC pins
[21:46] <IT_Sean> sudo su ftw
[21:46] <ReggieUK> as they are all connected to something on the board
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> Bah. Just login as root - way easier.
[21:47] <oister|work> sudo su - ftw
[21:47] <oister|work> better yet... only use root when you need to
[21:47] <neofutur> +1 for "sudo su -"
[21:47] * plugwash doesn't think he has ever used any account other than root on his pi
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[21:47] <oister|work> which is kinda the point of sudo
[21:47] <ReggieUK> 2 conflicting worlds here though isn't it?
[21:47] <ReggieUK> pure desktop people will use sudo
[21:48] <oister|work> i agree its funny in the vid when he sudo's every command
[21:48] <oister|work> he only needs to sudo the commands that need root perms
[21:48] <merlin1991> but why use sudo to ie create a dir
[21:48] <plugwash> tools like su and sudo are based on a dodgy premise anyway
[21:48] <ReggieUK> embedded people will be on a single user machine with a distinct lack of caring about privilege levels
[21:48] <Gadgetoid> I find that sudo becomes a habit, and I end up creating stuff as root that really doesn't need to be
[21:48] <merlin1991> as far as I see it the only thing he needs to sudo is the "python install.py install"
[21:48] <Gadgetoid> And I never sudo -i or su for some reason
[21:48] <plugwash> because if someone can take over your normal user account they can modify your path
[21:48] <oister|work> merlin1991: that's right
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> why sudo su - ? isn't sudo -i the same?
[21:49] <oister|work> i try to stay out of root as much as possible
[21:49] <plugwash> and if they can modify your path they can wrap su/sudo in a keylogger
[21:49] <merlin1991> gordonDrogon: sudo su - starts a reall session as root
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[21:50] <nid0> I remain happier just using root from the outset
[21:50] * booyaa isn't
[21:50] <Gadgetoid> I'd rather my Pi let me do anything, and if it buggers up, that's what backups are for
[21:51] <ReggieUK> Gadgetoid, agreed :)
[21:51] <Gadgetoid> Ooo %s/buggers/messes/g
[21:51] <ReggieUK> thank you :)
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> heh...
[21:51] <merlin1991> Gadgetoid: isn't g a bit overkill in this case?
[21:51] <Gadgetoid> You can just get two identical SD cards and clone them :D
[21:51] <Gadgetoid> merlin1991: You never know...
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[21:52] <gordonDrogon> sometimes it is handy to be able to save you from yourself :)
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[21:52] <ReggieUK> and sometimes it's nice not to be hungup on this stuff and get a job done
[21:52] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: True, although my habit of prefixing everything with sudo anyway negates that??? it's only the commands that need root which I forget to run as root
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[21:53] <oister|work> Gadgetoid: well don't do that :P
[21:53] <Gadgetoid> alias simonsays=root?
[21:54] <megatog615> Gadgetoid: it's probably a better habit to not type sudo first
[21:54] <megatog615> Gadgetoid: and have it remind you that you lack the permissions
[21:54] <Gadgetoid> megatog615: truth!
[21:54] <tero> um guys this might be a stupid question, but if I use debian on rpi a deb package must me compiled for arm right?
[21:55] <Gadgetoid> tero: depends if it contains any binaries or not
[21:55] <Gadgetoid> tero: But generally, yes
[21:55] <tero> i am trying to install tor on the raspberry pi :)
[21:55] <Gadgetoid> Hasn't tor fallen out of fashion now?
[21:55] <booyaa> no still as popular
[21:55] <tero> ?
[21:56] <muep> tero: if you have the package sources, they can often be rebuilt for your favourite architecture
[21:56] <booyaa> now that ispes ahve started blocking piratebay
[21:56] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: That's a point, although I just go to tpb.someothermirror
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[21:57] <booyaa> yeah that's how i roll
[21:57] * booyaa uses the uk pirate pary proxt
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[21:57] <Gadgetoid> I still can't fathom why they bothered blocking it, to call it whack-a-mole is an understatement
[21:57] <booyaa> tero: tor's available on the rpi debian image (from download link)
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[21:57] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: complying with law
[21:58] <booyaa> i'd like to see which bill made it law though
[21:58] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: That ain't no law I ever 'erd!
[21:58] <chaoshax> Gadgetoid, It's funny that it could actually harm the people campaigning for it.
[21:58] <Gadgetoid> UK complying with imaginary US laws
[21:58] <chaoshax> As more people know about the pirate party.
[21:58] <KungPhoo> how to set my timezone?
[21:58] <KungPhoo> debian that is
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[21:58] <tero> so sometimes when some software developer "says" add my server to your sources.list on debian
[21:59] <tero> does this works "simply" on the rpi ?
[21:59] <nid0> KungPhoo: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[21:59] <phorce1> KungPhoo: tzconfig
[21:59] <chaoshax> tero, yes but they have to have the package for your architecture.
[21:59] <phorce1> nid0: that works too <grin>
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[22:00] <muep> tero: most third party repositories likely lack support for non-mainstream architectures
[22:00] <KungPhoo> tzconfig is dpreecated ;) Many thanks
[22:00] <tero> yes that is what i am afraid off
[22:00] <tero> but
[22:00] <tero> some app simply won't install right?
[22:00] <muep> official debian repos are available for many architectures
[22:00] <tero> i mean dpkg knows what architecure is right*
[22:00] <tero> ?
[22:01] <phorce1> KungPhoo: still exists on my debian stable box. Still waiting for my rpi
[22:01] <chaoshax> tero, That's why you ask the developer nicely for them to compile or compile it yourself.
[22:01] <muep> I'd guess it will just not find your desired package in the repository
[22:01] <muep> and fail with an error you'd notice
[22:01] <muep> instead of failing in some sneaky and hard to detect way
[22:01] <chaoshax> Compile dependencies are a pita.
[22:01] <tero> btw
[22:02] <tero> has anyone trid to compile somethng on the pi itself?
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[22:02] <chaoshax> Yes
[22:02] <muep> yes
[22:02] <tero> like a kernel for example
[22:02] <tero> :)
[22:02] <nid0> yep
[22:02] <tero> how long did it take?
[22:02] <muep> kernel is inconveniently big
[22:02] <muep> smaller things are easier
[22:02] <dmsuse> the pirate party uk setup a vpn to stop government spying.. hmm
[22:02] <nid0> on the squeeze install kernel compiles were about 5 hours for me
[22:02] <nid0> I havent recompiled since the sd card patches though, which may improve that a bit
[22:03] <muep> I compiled GNU guile, which takes some tens of minutes on old-ish x86 hardware, and many hours on the RPi
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[22:03] <chaoshax> dmsuse, for free?
[22:04] <dmsuse> no lol...
[22:04] <dmsuse> i can't imagine ever getting anything free from a political party :P
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[22:06] <chaoshax> OK but I mean pirate party is the only party I would vote for ;)
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I've not tried to compile a kernel on a Pi yet...
[22:07] <chaoshax> What dependencies do you need?
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> hardly seems worth it after I setup all the cross compile malarky.
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[22:14] <nid0> hurm, nagios is being unfriendly at me :<
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[22:19] <gordonDrogon> nagios is always unfriendly.
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[22:20] <Butcho> run nagios on your pi ?
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[22:22] <gordonDrogon> I don't, but it should work fine...
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> people are using them for all sorts of things :)
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[22:47] <maicod> what is the raspberrypi chat chan? I forgot its name
[22:47] <SpeedEvil> #politics
[22:48] <maicod> huh no :) it was something with rasp......
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[22:49] <nid0> ....
[22:49] <Mike632T> Which entry should is better to use in /etc/inittab for a serial console ?
[22:49] <Mike632T> ' 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyAMA0 115200 vt100' ' or 'T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyAMA0 115200' vt100
[22:49] <Mike632T> If I use 2 then will CTRL-ALT-F2 still work and will it be a duplicate of the serial console?
[22:49] <Reedy> #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-osdev #raspberrypi-owners
[22:49] <maicod> thanks its the owners one I guess
[22:49] <KungPhoo> I only have libGL.so but not libGLES.so
[22:50] <KungPhoo> it's in /usr/lib - not /usr/lib/arm-linux
[22:50] <Arch-Cloud> Reedy: heh hardly anyone in the owners one...not worth joining id say
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[22:51] <gordonDrogon> Mike632T, the 2nd one.
[22:51] <Mike632T> 'T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyAMA0 115200' vt100'
[22:51] <maicod> Arch-Cloud: :(
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[22:51] <maicod> Arch-Cloud: noone ownes one ;)
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> you can't ctrl-alt-x on a serial console...
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[22:52] <Arch-Cloud> maicod: well i think there all in here
[22:52] <Mike632T> Was wondering why debian image uses ' 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyAMA0 115200 vt100'
[22:52] <maicod> Arch-Cloud: heh
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> did it? Hm. let me check..
[22:53] <maicod> Arch-Cloud: at least another 7350 at http://rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/index.php
[22:53] <Arch-Cloud> Mike632T: i se that alot on *nix builds...to me thats normal
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> your right. wonder if they just goofed... will dig deeper.
[22:53] <Mike632T> Thanks - Just want to make sure it isn't just me
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> there's a few rather "interesting" bits & pieces in the standard Debian ...
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[22:54] <Gadgetoid> Anyone in Florida have any protips for park tickets? :D
[22:54] <Mike632T> I'd normally use 'T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyAMA0 115200' vt100' but the Pi serial port may not be different
[22:54] <Arch-Cloud> maicod: and thats only for the ones that actually marked there pi's
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[22:54] <gordonDrogon> Mike632T, Actually the firsst field doesn't really matte - it's just a convention
[22:54] <Mike632T> gordonDrogon: /etc/passwd for a start :-)
[22:54] <maicod> Arch-Cloud:yeah I was nr 31747 @ RS so must be much more :)
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> Mike632T, and group )-:
[22:55] <Arch-Cloud> maicod: yeah i never went through RS....so mine was different
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[22:55] <Mike632T> Cool I'll stick with what I know - unfortunately cant test it yet.
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> Mike632T, the serial port is just a serial port - but at 3.3v ...
[22:55] <aaa801> Anyone tryed to make lfs for pi?
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[22:56] <phire> has anyone done lfs for arm?
[22:56] <Mike632T> Plug that into an alphaserver and the magic smoke is going to eascpe
[22:56] <maicod> Arch-Cloud: my 2nd one (from farnell) is shipped too
[22:56] <aaa801> phire, im using a arm chroot for making it, should simplify things
[22:56] <phire> aaa801, yeah cross compiling will help a lot
[22:56] <aaa801> the debian for pi chroot
[22:57] <aaa801> ye , writing it directly to a sdcard aswell
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[22:59] <aaa801> urgha
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[22:59] <archstanton77> whats the nicest method of auto login and startx with browser start
[22:59] <archstanton77> seen a few different methods about
[22:59] <Mike632T> See magpi issue3 for that
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[23:01] <Mike632T> There is a good description in there
[23:02] <Mike632T> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1506
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[23:03] <maicod> Mike632T: cool magazine !
[23:04] <maicod> didnt know it existed
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[23:06] <archstanton77> maicod cheers
[23:07] <archstanton77> maicod awesome bonus xtra struff too
[23:07] <maicod> meaning?
[23:07] <archstanton77> i get to read the whole mag
[23:07] * aaa801 slaps archstanton77 with a english manual
[23:08] <maicod> alright
[23:08] <archstanton77> aaa801 that wont help me
[23:08] <aaa801> Christ this compile is going to take hours
[23:08] * aaa801 hates his atom cpu
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[23:09] <maicod> aaa801: not compiling on the Pi then :)
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[23:09] <slug> i was actually referring to ROS, the Robot Operating System
[23:09] <aaa801> god forbid
[23:09] <archstanton77> oops sorry i meant cheers Mike632T
[23:09] <aaa801> maicod: im running a chroot of the pi, which is compiling lfs, inside a ubuntu vmware, inside windows xp
[23:10] <aaa801> the atom is going "FUU1111!!!"
[23:10] <maicod> OK :)
[23:10] <aaa801> would be easier if i was at home this week
[23:10] <aaa801> i miss my fx8150 :(
[23:10] <maicod> aaa801: but the host machine is having the Atom right ?
[23:10] <aaa801> winxp is the atom ye
[23:10] <maicod> I see
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[23:10] <maicod> its a netbook?
[23:10] <aaa801> ye
[23:10] <maicod> okay
[23:11] <archstanton77> Mike632T got the autostart section i wonder do you think you have to clear password for the pi account
[23:11] <aaa801> my beast of a pc i have at home isnt realy portable :P
[23:11] <maicod> LOL I bet
[23:11] * maicod got an old P4 beast
[23:11] <aaa801> fx8150 ocd to 4.5ghz, 12gb ram
[23:11] <aaa801> blows through compiles
[23:12] <maicod> retrying to get my kernel source with git on the Pi. hope it doesnt fail a 2nd time
[23:12] <aaa801> i think git on the pi doesnt like something
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[23:12] <aaa801> it generaly crashs my pi
[23:12] <maicod> oh ?
[23:13] <maicod> mine said that the sha1 was not correct
[23:13] <aaa801> o
[23:13] <aaa801> :/
[23:13] <aaa801> btw
[23:13] <aaa801> will i need to grab the official pi kernel
[23:13] <aaa801> instead oif the generic one
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[23:13] <maicod> pack is corrupted:sha1 mismatch
[23:13] <aaa801> for lfs?
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[23:14] <aaa801> will i need to grab the official pi kernel instead of the generic one then?
[23:14] <maicod> aaa801: I was told to get git://github.com/bootc/linux.git
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[23:14] <maicod> cry,cries ;P
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[23:15] <Mike632T> archstanton77: I'll take a look (just had to answer the phone)
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> have you looked at bootc's kernel?
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> http://www.bootc.net/
[23:16] <archstanton77> Mike632T nah no worries trying it now
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[23:17] <archstanton77> Mike632T wow working
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[23:17] <archstanton77> Mike632T it doesnt even need password!!!
[23:18] <Mike632T> It wont as it isn't running getty at all
[23:18] <Mike632T> Not very secure though
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[23:18] <archstanton77> yeah i cant putty in now
[23:19] <Mike632T> Remote logins will still need a password though
[23:19] <archstanton77> thats good
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[23:19] <archstanton77> doesnt matter too much abut security at this stage
[23:19] <Mike632T> Not sure why you can't use putty though...
[23:20] <archstanton77> i can it just gives fatal error message
[23:20] <aaa801> sounds like ssh is offline
[23:20] <maicod> :( why why : Receiving objects: 100% (2561505/2561505), 826.71 MiB | 969 KiB/s, done.
[23:20] <maicod> fatal: pack is corrupted (SHA1 mismatch)
[23:20] <archstanton77> Fatal server error:
[23:20] <archstanton77> Server is already active for display 0
[23:20] <archstanton77> If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
[23:20] <archstanton77> and start again.
[23:20] <archstanton77> but it still works
[23:21] <maicod> why do I get SHA1 mismatch ?
[23:21] <Mike632T> archstanton77: There may be a side effect or two I haven't thought of - not had a chance to try it myself yet
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[23:23] <Mike632T> maicod: Usually because the the file is corrupt - Do you have free disk space ?
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[23:24] <maicod> Mike632T:yeah 12 GB free on /
[23:24] <maicod> I save in /usr/src
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[23:24] <aaa801> are u downloading on the pi
[23:24] <aaa801> or on pc
[23:24] <Walther> Oh sigh. My pi still crashes on high eth/usb throughput
[23:24] <maicod> on the Pi
[23:25] <aaa801> try grabing it on pc
[23:25] <aaa801> and transfer?
[23:25] <Walther> (wgetting three files on screen, saving to usb hdd)
[23:25] <Walther> And yes, I've applied the free memory fix
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[23:26] <maicod> aaa801: holdon :) I'm trying to find something
[23:27] <aaa801> maicod: oky
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[23:28] <chaoshax> Walther, Probably the usb driver you are using
[23:28] <Fozzey> netman87: did you use the kernel??
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[23:28] <chaoshax> i.e if you are saving it to a memory stick, it's probably that.
[23:29] <chaoshax> Try mounting a network drive and testing throughput to that
[23:29] <chaoshax> And see if it crashes
[23:29] <maicod> aaa801: found it :) I used this https://github.com/bootc/linux to download the zip
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[23:29] <maicod> can I just unzip that in /usr/src on the Pi ?
[23:30] <Milos|Netbook> If you're talking about source, haha have fun.
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[23:30] <maicod> its a source yea
[23:31] <maicod> why is that so time consuming and downloading via git not ?
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[23:34] <Mike632T> Really wants a RESET BUTTON...
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[23:34] <Walther> chaoshax: using a 320GB Lacie Rikiki HDD
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[23:35] <PReDiToR> Mike632T - Momentary push-to-break on the power line.
[23:35] <Walther> chaoshax: w/ a powered hub
[23:35] <chaoshax> Walther,Try with a different device.
[23:35] <maicod> Mike632T: I just use a extension box with switch
[23:35] <Walther> chaoshax: I had the same issue when wgetting to /dev/zero and to the SD
[23:36] <PReDiToR> Mike632T - filesystem stability if you include a GPIO that flushes the write cache before actually killing power.
[23:36] <chaoshax> Umm, can't help you there then
[23:36] <Mike632T> If I power off my monitor 'forgets' the Pi is connected - and I have to power cycle it to get it to detect it again (isn't PnP is wonderful)
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[23:37] <Mike632T> Naturally this is beginning to bug me :-)
[23:37] <Walther> Anyone else had problems with high eth/usb throughput and Pi crashing?
[23:38] <Walther> I've already checked that it is not about the SoC nor the ram (calculated thousands of digits of Pi)
[23:38] <Walther> and not the drives used
[23:38] <maicod> walther: maybe running out of mem?
[23:38] <Walther> newest firmware, issue was present on both squeeze and wheezy
[23:38] <Walther> maicod: i've set the 8192 fix
[23:38] <Walther> min free kbytes
[23:39] <maicod> whats that ?
[23:39] <Walther> perhaps it needs even more than 8MB free ram :/
[23:39] <Walther> maicod: a common "fix" suggested for the issues
[23:39] <Walther> maicod: kernel tries to keep 8MB of free ram at all times
[23:39] <maicod> could you give me the url ?
[23:39] <Mike632T> Walther: Personally no but I haven't tried using USB storage
[23:39] <maicod> OK cool
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[23:57] <aaa801> maicod: do you plan to compile the kernel on the pi?
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[23:59] * aaa801 pokes maicod
[23:59] <maicod> aaa801: I do and I know it takes 6+ hours :)
[23:59] <aaa801> want a faster way
[23:59] <aaa801> ;)?

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