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IRC Log for 2012-07-04

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[0:00] <maicod> I got it explained by someone so I want to follow his 'guide'
[0:00] <aaa801> maicod: take a look at this, u can chroot directly into the pi sdcard, its like working on the pi itself
[0:00] <aaa801> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=101026
[0:00] <Lartza> Why does openelec have a different start.elf?
[0:00] <aaa801> its my guide :)
[0:00] <maicod> cool i'll read it thanks
[0:00] <aaa801> its prety dam easy aswell , just needs a couple host packages and to copy a binary to the partition
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[0:01] <maicod> aaa801: but I need to run linux on my laptop then right ?
[0:02] <aaa801> i just use ubuntu in vmware
[0:02] <maicod> oh LOL I know how to do that :)
[0:02] <aaa801> ;)
[0:02] <maicod> I am running the livecd in vmware currentky
[0:02] <maicod> currently
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[0:02] <maicod> do I need to install ubuntu rather ?
[0:02] <aaa801> just link the sdcard to the virtual box
[0:02] <maicod> sure
[0:02] <aaa801> na u can prob do from livecd
[0:03] <aaa801> just follow nthe guide
[0:03] <maicod> sure ?
[0:03] <maicod> OK
[0:03] <aaa801> ye, aslong as it runs in ram
[0:03] <aaa801> then u can install packages
[0:03] <maicod> OK
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[0:03] <maicod> I already got a heavily tweaked .config from someone else here . its his guide I am trying to follow
[0:04] <maicod> I can use that right ?
[0:04] <aaa801> ye its basicaly emulating arm
[0:04] <aaa801> but using the pis system
[0:04] <maicod> just copy it in the /usr/src/linux dir
[0:04] <aaa801> im using it to compile lfs atm
[0:04] <maicod> OK :)
[0:04] <aaa801> ul basicaly have the same folder layout
[0:05] <maicod> sure . I meant things that I would normally ask for the 'on the pi' compiling ;)
[0:05] <maicod> I'll set it up first
[0:06] <aaa801> ok
[0:06] <cehteh> tsts .. no patience :P .. maicod you using my config right?
[0:06] <maicod> cehteh: yeah thats what I was referring to to aaa801
[0:07] <maicod> cehteh: hi welcome again
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[0:07] <maicod> you weren;t around so far :)
[0:07] <aaa801> :3
[0:07] <maicod> cehteh: he said its better for me to crosscompile in ubuntu livecd on vmware on my laptop
[0:07] <aaa801> faster*
[0:07] <cehteh> whatever works for you
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[0:07] <maicod> cehteh: I had big troubles btw !!!
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[0:08] <maicod> I need to paste alot
[0:08] <aaa801> i wouldnt say 'easier'
[0:08] <maicod> will do it in a msg
[0:08] * cehteh just compiles on the device
[0:08] <aaa801> use pastebin!
[0:08] <maicod> oh OK
[0:08] <cehteh> yes use a pastebin
[0:08] <aaa801> nothings worse then irc lag from 100+ line pastes into the channel lol
[0:09] <aaa801> centeh: can i pm you?
[0:09] <maicod> nah its not 100 lines ;)
[0:09] <maicod> http://pastebin.com/ZWa8cPBT
[0:09] <maicod> I tried it twice (turned off the Pi in between) but same error
[0:09] <maicod> so now I downloaded the zip file from https://github.com/bootc/linux
[0:09] <aaa801> proberly some error in git
[0:09] <maicod> yeah :(
[0:10] <maicod> cehteh: I can unzip it in /usr/src huh?
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[0:10] <maicod> and make a symlink to linux
[0:10] <cehteh> woot
[0:11] <cehteh> bootc: seen the paste above?
[0:11] <Walther> Okay, I'll repeat my problem: My pi crashes when I put some throughput over the eth/usb - i.e. wgetting files to a usb drive.
[0:12] <cehteh> could be that the problem is not on your side. i am just trying to clone it
[0:12] <Walther> Min free kbytes -fix is in use, and it is not an hdd issue - same thing happens with wget -O /dev/zero and to the SD card
[0:12] <aaa801> Walther: are you using the dafault kernel?
[0:12] <cehteh> Walther: most likely bad power supply
[0:12] <aaa801> default*
[0:12] <Walther> cehteh: powered hub rated for 2A
[0:13] <cehteh> also each single output?
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[0:13] <Walther> aaa801: same issue was present on bot squeeze (after update && upgrade and rpi-update) and wheezy(raspbian)
[0:13] <cehteh> maicod: cloning takes a bit
[0:13] <aaa801> centeh: im making a lfs system for raspberry pi, would i need to use the pi kernel or will the generic surfice?
[0:13] <cehteh> the pi kernel has some additions iirc these are required
[0:14] <Walther> cehteh: also, i've tested it with various phone chargers rated for 1A
[0:14] <cehteh> but you can fetch the git
[0:14] <aaa801> can i just use your one ye?
[0:14] <cehteh> Walther: 'most likely' doesnt mean 'for sure' :)
[0:14] <maicod> cehteh: you mean when I use git clone or mean what I said about unzipping the zip i downloaded ?
[0:14] <phire> aaa801, you want the pi kernel
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[0:14] <phire> otherwise you have no video
[0:14] <Walther> cehteh: I've tried with four power supplies in total, I wouldn't say it is a power issue
[0:14] <phire> or usb or networking
[0:14] <aaa801> i thought video was setup by the bootloader :/?
[0:15] <cehteh> i never tried the zips .. possibly you can just unpack them in /usr/src .. to be sure you can make a dir there and unpack inside .. and lattermove it out
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[0:15] <phire> yeah, but you still need a kernel with drivers
[0:15] <phire> and they haven't been pushed upsteram yet
[0:15] <aaa801> ok il grab the official :)
[0:15] <maicod> cehteh: I looked in the zip and it has its own wrapper directory so I can just unzit it
[0:15] <chaoshax> I think I understand the pain of cloning linux
[0:15] <maicod> I'll try the unzip idea
[0:15] <cehteh> normally it works fine
[0:15] <aaa801> phire: in future will the pi additions be in the generic kernel?
[0:15] <chaoshax> How long did it take for you guys?
[0:16] <cehteh> sha mismatch sounds like damaged data
[0:16] <phire> aaa801, hopefully
[0:16] <aaa801> that would make my life alot easier
[0:16] <aaa801> :P
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[0:16] <aaa801> god dammit compiling on atom is terriable
[0:16] <archstanton77> does anyone else find iceweasel takes excessive cpu on wheezy
[0:16] <cehteh> chaoshax: few minutes depends on connection and computer speed
[0:16] <maicod> brb
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[0:17] <cehteh> if the repository on github is damaged, that would be a rather serious error
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[0:18] <archstanton77> also task manager shows cpu as 0 or -1 for everything
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[0:22] <cehteh> maicod: you dont happen to do a 'dmesg' just after git failed?
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[0:22] <maicod> ehw maybe I can still retrieve it with the livecd
[0:22] <maicod> its currently not in the Pi
[0:22] <maicod> :)
[0:23] <maicod> need to boot the livecd in vmware first
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[0:23] <cehteh> nah
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[0:24] <cehteh> dmesg would show any probles just happend in the kernel
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[0:24] <aaa801> try
[0:24] <aaa801> rm .git/index
[0:24] <aaa801> git reset
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[0:24] <maicod> doesnt it get logged in /var/log/dmesg ?
[0:25] <cehteh> if the logger task didnt got killed by the oom :)
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[0:25] <maicod> aaa801: ok will try git method in the livecd .sorry i'm not so fast ;)
[0:25] <cehteh> i dont know if there is a syslog running
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[0:25] <maicod> OK
[0:25] <maicod> maybe what aaa801 said is an idea
[0:25] <cehteh> well if you now try to build on another computer, go on
[0:26] <cehteh> removing the index shouldnt fix it
[0:26] <maicod> yeah I'm following the guide from aaa801 and use your .config if I may
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[0:26] <maicod> Oh OK
[0:27] <cehteh> either date you received got corrupted (or miscalculated by memory problems or whatever) .. or its corrupted on the remote side
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[0:27] <cehteh> data
[0:27] <cehteh> i just clone the repository on my other computer to rule out the later
[0:27] <aaa801> proberly some issue with git and the pi not using big endian :/
[0:28] <cehteh> nah git is pretty safe with that and it worked for me
[0:28] <maicod> cehteh: thanks for that
[0:28] <cehteh> a endianess error would be way more prominent
[0:28] <aaa801> righty
[0:28] <maicod> hope my Pi's HW is sane
[0:29] <cehteh> could be a transistent glitch
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[0:29] <cehteh> did you tried that multiple times?
[0:29] <aaa801> hes tryed it a few times
[0:29] <cehteh> hum
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[0:29] <maicod> 2 times
[0:30] <maicod> and the Pi has been turned off in between
[0:30] <cehteh> thats odd
[0:30] <maicod> it sure is
[0:30] <cehteh> well lets wait
[0:30] <cehteh> github is slow :P
[0:30] <maicod> is there a hw test img for the Pi ?
[0:30] <cehteh> Receiving objects: 45% (1165494/2561505), 571.04 MiB | 2.37 MiB/s
[0:30] <aaa801> i dislike git
[0:30] <chaoshax> Why?
[0:30] <D34TH> i like git
[0:30] * cehteh likes git a lot and uses it everywhere :P
[0:30] <aaa801> svn <3
[0:31] <cehteh> eek :)
[0:31] <maicod> cehteh: its not my internet connection cause I tested it with ftp and I got a download with 3000 KB/sec
[0:31] <chaoshax> hiss
[0:31] <aaa801> :p
[0:31] <maicod> ON the Pi I did that
[0:31] <cehteh> i dislike github :P
[0:31] <maicod> isnt there a mirror ?
[0:32] <maicod> a faster one :)
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[0:32] <cehteh> yes, on my pi :P
[0:32] <aaa801> wonder how nvidea are holding up since linus raped them xD
[0:32] <maicod> haha
[0:32] <cehteh> err .. not faster :P
[0:32] <cehteh> but i could mirror it on my server
[0:32] <aaa801> dammit
[0:32] <aaa801> binutils has been compiling for the last 4 hours
[0:32] <aaa801> xD
[0:32] <maicod> well thats true but thats a real ehm altruistic thing to do then :)
[0:32] <cehteh> Receiving objects: 45% (1165494/2561505), 571.04 MiB | 2.37 MiB/s
[0:32] <aaa801> im dreding compiling the kernel and gcc..
[0:32] <cehteh> oops .
[0:33] <cehteh> well its here .. unpacking now
[0:33] <maicod> okay guys I'm a bit afk (in vmware busy now)
[0:33] <maicod> I follow your guide aaa801
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[0:33] <aaa801> oky
[0:33] <maicod> cehteh: I use your .config ok ?
[0:34] <aaa801> theres a few extra commands u need to punch in, look a couple posts down
[0:34] <cehteh> maicod: i use it :)
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[0:34] <maicod> cehteh: and its faster huh :)
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[0:34] <maicod> as you told me
[0:34] <cehteh> maicod: but i dont know what version you got with the zip
[0:34] <maicod> same one !
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[0:34] <aaa801> centeh: have you seen my guide?
[0:34] <maicod> its this zip:
[0:35] <cehteh> bootc/rpi-3.2.21
[0:35] <cehteh> here
[0:35] <cehteh> no
[0:35] <maicod> https://github.com/bootc/linux
[0:35] <maicod> I hit the zip button (see top bar)
[0:36] <cehteh> that likely the wrong branch
[0:36] <cehteh> (at least not what i have here)
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[0:37] <cehteh> ok good news .. the github repo is sane
[0:37] <cehteh> error was on your side
[0:37] <maicod> thanks for testing
[0:37] <D34TH> <--- insane
[0:37] <maicod> yeah probably my Pi ?
[0:37] <aaa801> proberly ur internet
[0:37] <maicod> aaa801: these 3 lines ?
[0:37] <maicod> mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
[0:37] <maicod> mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc
[0:37] <maicod> mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys
[0:37] <aaa801> ye
[0:38] <aaa801> do those after u mount the partition
[0:38] <maicod> OK and when do I have to do them?
[0:38] <maicod> ah sorry you said it :)
[0:38] <aaa801> then chroot /mnt
[0:38] <aaa801> :)
[0:38] <maicod> OK
[0:38] <maicod> so in the beginning :)
[0:38] <aaa801> stupid forum doesnty let u edit posts after like 5mins
[0:38] <maicod> :(
[0:38] <aaa801> after u mount the card
[0:38] <aaa801> as i said
[0:38] <aaa801> >_>
[0:38] <maicod> yeah :)
[0:38] <maicod> thanks
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[0:39] <maicod> aaa801: can't you delete the whole topic and repost ;)
[0:39] <maicod> you loose the comments though :(
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[0:39] <aaa801> na, il contact a mod nerxt week
[0:39] <aaa801> they can prob edit
[0:40] <maicod> OK yeah ask them to turn edit on
[0:40] <maicod> :)
[0:40] <aaa801> the whole forum is messeed up
[0:40] <aaa801> no subforum link when u click on a post etc
[0:40] <aaa801> >_<
[0:40] <maicod> :(
[0:41] <maicod> aaa801: I did sudo passwd root ; su to become root
[0:41] <maicod> it works the same huh ?
[0:41] <maicod> I just not use sudo
[0:41] <cehteh> maicod: https://github.com/bootc/linux/zipball/rpi-3.2.21 .. that zip
[0:41] <aaa801> u could of just done sudo su
[0:41] <aaa801> lol
[0:41] <maicod> I like to be root ;)
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[0:41] <aaa801> that is root
[0:41] <aaa801> nub
[0:41] <maicod> ofc
[0:41] <maicod> but I mean to stay it in my command promopt
[0:41] <maicod> prompt
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[0:42] <aaa801> get that windows talk out of here
[0:42] <aaa801> ;P
[0:42] <cehteh> well .. on another computer use git instead the zip
[0:42] <maicod> console (bash)
[0:42] <maicod> yeah I will cehteh
[0:42] <cehteh> because that makes later updates much easier
[0:42] <maicod> thanks
[0:42] <maicod> I'll save the zipgall to be sure
[0:42] <maicod> zipball
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[0:42] <aaa801> zipgall: redneck zipball
[0:42] <cehteh> fyi: git checkout -b rpi origin/rpi-3.2.21
[0:43] <cehteh> after the clone
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[0:43] <maicod> OK thanks. what does checkout do?
[0:43] <aaa801> downloads that branch
[0:43] <aaa801> foo
[0:43] <cehteh> creates a new branch (your branch) named 'rpi' based on origin/rpi-3.2.21 remote branch
[0:43] <maicod> OK
[0:44] <cehteh> no and it does not download anything :P
[0:44] * aaa801 stabs centeh, now there will be no evidence of my fail
[0:44] <aaa801> :3
[0:44] <zgreg> bootc: btw, it looks like the SDHCI drivers of 3.1 and 3.2 kernels aren't really in sync
[0:44] <maicod> yeah logs are evidence
[0:44] <maicod> LOL
[0:44] <aaa801> noooooooo
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[0:45] <cehteh> bbl
[0:45] <zgreg> bootc: the last time I looked the 3.2 did not have the workaround for long erase timeouts
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[0:48] <jac-macondo> hay all
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[0:49] <maicod> my vmware won't take windows clipboard copies into it :(
[0:49] <jac-macondo> right now connected with raspi running debian wezzy beta :D
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[0:50] <aaa801> :3
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[0:50] <aaa801> stupid away
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[0:51] <maicod> :)
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[0:53] <jac-macondo> +i
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[0:54] <Fozzey> I messed up my pi kernel build. anybody have a good .config for the pi?
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[1:10] <mikey_w> How many days does newark take to actually ship a pi after the processing notice?
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[1:12] <ReggieUK> that's like asking if a tree falls down in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?
[1:13] <mikey_w> lol
[1:13] <IT_Sean> The answer, of course, is "no".
[1:13] <mikey_w> lol
[1:13] <IT_Sean> .. or perhaps "yes"
[1:13] <mikey_w> Frustrated.
[1:13] * IT_Sean shrugs
[1:13] <IT_Sean> mikey_w, 42.
[1:13] <IT_Sean> ... The answer to life, the universe, and everything.
[1:13] <mikey_w> ouch
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[1:15] <IT_Sean> There is really no way to tell, mikey_w.
[1:16] <mikey_w> Oh well.
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[1:17] <IT_Sean> Sorry. ::shrug::
[1:19] <zeeZ> it's easy to calculate
[1:20] <zeeZ> you just need the difference between the day you get the processing notice and the day it shipped
[1:21] <IT_Sean> lol. I think he want's to know ahead of time, zeeZ
[1:23] <zeeZ> gotta supercharge the LHC and shoot yourself to the future, then ask superman to rewind time for you
[1:23] <zeeZ> depending on the theory of time and space you're following this may or may not work
[1:24] <mikey_w> Tried that, didn't work.
[1:24] <IT_Sean> I have a munch simpler solution...
[1:24] <mikey_w> later.
[1:24] <IT_Sean> ... Just wait for it to turn up.
[1:25] <IT_Sean> No need for time travel, or large hadron collidors or anything
[1:25] <plugwash> #define SIX 1+5
[1:25] <plugwash> #define NINE 8+1
[1:26] <plugwash> printf("Six times nine is %d.", SIX * NINE);
[1:26] <IT_Sean> um... plug? O_o
[1:26] <zeeZ> clearly 42
[1:27] <IT_Sean> clearly.
[1:28] <zeeZ> unless it actually does get reduced to 6 and 9 somewhere in the process
[1:29] <ReggieUK> 42 what though?
[1:29] <ReggieUK> parsecs?
[1:29] <ReggieUK> minutes?
[1:29] <IT_Sean> 42
[1:29] <IT_Sean> Just 4r2
[1:29] <IT_Sean> *just 42
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[1:35] <jamesglanville> anyone want to buy a raspberry pi code for rs very cheaply?
[1:36] <SpeedEvil> I will accept one for 1 pound.
[1:36] <IT_Sean> You know... that code didn't COST you anything to get, ave the two minutes of your time to fill out the form.
[1:36] <jamesglanville> ??2 is my estimated cost though :P
[1:36] <IT_Sean> *save
[1:36] <jamesglanville> IT_Sean: but I did have to get up at 6
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[1:37] <SpeedEvil> I registered interest 10 days ago at RS
[1:37] <IT_Sean> Not really.
[1:37] <jamesglanville> plus capitalism says it is opportunity cost of an item, not cost to acquire
[1:37] <ReggieUK> sucker
[1:37] <SpeedEvil> Today I got a link
[1:37] <ReggieUK> you got up at 6 and only just got your code jamesglanville?
[1:37] <ReggieUK> I must've had the easiest ordering process
[1:37] <jamesglanville> ReggieUK: my third to be fair
[1:37] <ReggieUK> EVVVVA
[1:38] <IT_Sean> I'm not going to stop you from trying to sell your code in here, jamesglanville, but it is a pretty crap thing to do, in my opinion.
[1:38] <ReggieUK> language timothy :D
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[1:38] <jamesglanville> IT_Sean: fair enough, i thought it was worth a shot, and no worse than selling my first pi for ??125 :P
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[1:38] <ReggieUK> should I put the boots on?
[1:39] <PReDiToR> I say no. Capitalism says that somebody might have a larger desire than the actual price ...
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[1:40] <plugwash> jamesglanville, mmm in the early stages people were paying crazy prices for the Pi
[1:40] <IT_Sean> jamesglanville. If you have a code you don't intend to use, give it (yes, GIVE) to a developer. It'll benefit the raspi community as aa whole.
[1:41] <PReDiToR> Actually, yeah. That would be great. Altruism =)
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[1:41] <jamesglanville> IT_Sean: I might just buy one tbh, i'm really not sure, i'm poor but want a second pi...
[1:41] <plugwash> I mean if I was going to spend ??100+ on an arm board i'd by a panda or IMX53QSB
[1:41] <ReggieUK> not that poor, you got ??125 apparently
[1:41] <PReDiToR> I've ordered a second, but no idea when the queue will send me it.
[1:41] <IT_Sean> I dunno if you'd be able to sell it here. I tried to give away a code earlier, and noone wanted it.
[1:42] <ReggieUK> to be fair, you didn't stick around long to wait for answers
[1:42] <PReDiToR> Oh, Sean, I'll have the code, please
[1:42] <ReggieUK> not that anyone noticed
[1:42] <jamesglanville> yeah, it was silly of that guy to buy it from me, and ??125 was nice but almost needed to pay bills
[1:42] * plugwash currently has 3 Pis under his control
[1:42] <IT_Sean> you want it, PReDiToR?
[1:42] <IT_Sean> PM me your email address.
[1:43] <ReggieUK> :)
[1:43] <ReggieUK> as easy as that
[1:43] <PReDiToR> Outstanding!
[1:43] <PReDiToR> Saves me a month or two.
[1:43] <SpeedEvil> PReDiToR: naah
[1:43] <SpeedEvil> PReDiToR: I requested a code 10 days ago
[1:43] <SpeedEvil> Got it today
[1:44] <PReDiToR> Whut? I put an order in at Farnell and they took my CC details and basically ... Yeah, when we're ready.
[1:44] <plugwash> PReDiToR, yeah if you have a direct link to the farnell item you can bypass the register for interest system
[1:45] <IT_Sean> Okay PReDiToR. I just fwd'd it to you
[1:45] <jamesglanville> that is the problem with paying with paypal - you actually have to pay straight away instead of just before shipping
[1:45] <plugwash> which says something about the competence with which farnell are handling things
[1:45] <PReDiToR> Thanks Sean. This one will be the property of a 15 year old who is in need of it.
[1:46] <IT_Sean> Awesome. You got the email?
[1:46] <jamesglanville> i'm kinda sad, the market for 3d printed pi cases has dried up - made ??300 in the last 2 months selling the things
[1:46] <PReDiToR> Yesh. Thank you.
[1:46] <IT_Sean> Fantastic.
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[1:46] <IT_Sean> You are quite welcome :)
[1:46] * IT_Sean goes back to Starcraft
[1:47] <PReDiToR> IT_Sean - What, nethack?
[1:47] <IT_Sean> ?
[1:47] <IT_Sean> ???
[1:47] <PReDiToR> Starcraft? Nethack for proper IT dudes =)
[1:48] * plugwash wonders if starcraft would run in emulation on a Pi
[1:48] <plugwash> I remember it would run on a pentium 75
[1:48] <SpeedEvil> nethack.alt.org - live online nethack
[1:48] <plugwash> despite the official minimum requirements
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[1:48] <SpeedEvil> 22 games going on at the moment
[1:48] <IT_Sean> To be specific, i'm playing Starcraft II. So... It would NOT run on a pent 75 :p
[1:49] <PReDiToR> Not even on a 486 with Overdrive?
[1:49] <IT_Sean> nyet.
[1:49] <dlynes> plugwash, oh yeah...I knew about the multipartition thing with windows...I just figured it was a bug in windows
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[1:54] <dlynes> I'm curious...what is the jtag pins useful for? i.e. what can you debug with jtag that you can't with a remote gdb session?
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: early bootloader, for example.
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: Or if the system won't actually boot
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> You can - for example - set states of individual pins on chips
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> And - for example - flash a ROM by directly wiggling the pins of the microprocessor.
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[1:57] <dlynes> oh...similar to openboot(?) on sparc machines?
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[1:57] <dlynes> Or ios?
[1:57] <plugwash> JTAG is very low level you can connect to a chip over JTAG and literally take direct control of it's pins if you want
[1:58] <ReggieUK> you can boot a chip over jtag
[1:58] <plugwash> usually there is some internal debugging capabilities available over JTAG too
[1:58] <plugwash> A common way of debricking home routers was to connect to the main processor over JTAG then use the JTAG interface to take control of it's bus and write to the main flash chip
[1:59] <plugwash> slow but it requires absoloutely no working software on the device
[2:00] <dlynes> plugwash, ok, cool. so it's definitely worth $100 for a mini JTAG connector, then. Thanks.
[2:01] <SpeedEvil> Well - it depends what you want to do with it
[2:01] <SpeedEvil> JTAG isn't generally useful for application level development
[2:01] <plugwash> the accessible JTAG on the Pi goes to the GPU so it's not much use to mere mortals
[2:01] <SpeedEvil> :/
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[2:05] * IT_Sean would love to see someone reverse engineer whatever needs reverse engineering to make the GPU more usable
[2:05] <dlynes> plugwash, oh...so you can't actually do anything useful with it? I guess all the things you and speedevil were talking about were for jtag, generically, not for rpi, specifically?
[2:05] * IT_Sean knows he isn't really suposta say that out loud, but...
[2:06] <ReggieUK> I think probably everyone here wishes that
[2:06] <plugwash> dlynes, you might be able to get control of the external pins, I think how to do that is somewhat standardised
[2:06] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: yes - in general
[2:06] <plugwash> but you won't have any information on what the internal registers are/do
[2:06] <jamesglanville> tbh, I don't think it's the kind of thing that will happen - it's not such a huge thing to be worthwhile to that many people, and is an ENORMOUS job
[2:06] <plugwash> and without that you can't debug much
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[2:07] <ReggieUK> $100 for a jtag adapter 0.o, where's that coming from? Sparkfun via adafruit/
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[2:08] <jamesglanville> the problem with the gpu is that the whole toolchain is propriety - you'd need the broadcom compiler, or do a stupid amount of work
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[2:08] <ReggieUK> but stranger things have happened
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[2:08] <ReggieUK> a single person opening up a platform
[2:11] <jamesglanville> oh that's true, and i'm so hopeful, but if i were broadcom i'd very very slowly release features so as to make reverse engineering pointless
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[2:12] <jamesglanville> tbh though, i'm currently working at a similar company in terms of gpus, and there's no way i could write a copy
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[2:55] <Alpha`> so I was driving home with my bosses Pi (to install the OS on it for him) and I had to do an emergency stop for a cat and somehow the little round thing next to the power socket has snapped off.. where can I buy a new component? googleing the numbers on the top didnt help
[2:55] <maicod> wow you got bad luck
[2:55] <IT_Sean> thassnot good
[2:55] <maicod> isnt it a cap ?
[2:55] <maicod> capacitor
[2:56] <PReDiToR> Not essential part
[2:56] <Alpha`> lemme take a pic
[2:57] <Alpha`> if worst comes to worse ill just give him mine
[2:57] <Alpha`> but id still like a working one xD
[2:57] <maicod> did it launch through your car when you braked or so ?\
[2:57] <plugwash> do you still have the capacitor that snapped off?
[2:57] <Alpha`> http://i.imgur.com/jmU06.jpg
[2:58] <Alpha`> the little metal legs have come off as well
[2:58] <Alpha`> :/
[2:58] <Alpha`> so i will need a new one
[2:58] <Alpha`> i cant just solder it back on
[2:58] <PReDiToR> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7569&p=93793&hilit=capacitor+broken#p93793
[2:58] <IT_Sean> Isn't that cap non-essential?
[2:58] <PReDiToR> Apparently so. C6 just sanitises the input voltage from the (half connected) micro-USB
[2:59] <IT_Sean> Just bridge the contacts.
[2:59] <IT_Sean> solder a bit of wire between those two pads
[2:59] <plugwash> IT_Sean, soldering a wire between those pads will short out the power supply
[3:00] <IT_Sean> D'OH!
[3:00] <IT_Sean> Sorry... I'm not all there tonight. :p
[3:01] <IT_Sean> Whatever you do, DON'T listen to me, Alpha` :p
[3:01] <Alpha`> ok
[3:01] <Alpha`> :)
[3:01] <hamitron> or anyone
[3:01] <hamitron> ;)
[3:01] <Arch-Cloud> lol
[3:02] <Alpha`> o.O
[3:02] <Alpha`> imma just read the wiki.. :P
[3:02] <plugwash> could someone measure that caps physical dimesions, I don't have any calipers handy
[3:02] <IT_Sean> That said, you don't really NEED it there.
[3:03] <PReDiToR> plugwash - It's "quite little".
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[3:04] <IT_Sean> plugwash. It's somewhere between "Small" and "Dammed Tiny"
[3:04] <PReDiToR> 0.5cm or so
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[3:04] <Arch-Cloud> it wouldn't be irc without a peanut gallery
[3:04] <maicod> I'm getting a kernel source with git. could it be right that I need to execute this command (I got it from cehteh) after the git clone ? git checkout -b rpi origin/rpi-3.2.21
[3:04] * PReDiToR throws a shell at Arch-Cloud
[3:05] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: heh
[3:05] <ReggieUK> it's debateable whether you need it or not, in marginal situations with cruddy supply, you will need it
[3:06] <maicod> this is the git command I'm running now: git clone git://github.com/bootc/linux.git. I did cd /usr/src before executing that git clone
[3:06] <ReggieUK> best thing to do is power it up and see if it works
[3:06] <ReggieUK> it won't break anything by it not being there when you do
[3:07] <hamitron> probably worth testing the rest of the r-pi before going to the effort of replacing it anyway, after such a crash
[3:07] <hamitron> :)
[3:07] <IT_Sean> just whatever you do, DO NOT lick the board while it is powered!
[3:07] <PReDiToR> ReggieUK - If it's underpower the thing won't boot, if it's overpowered the thing will blow a polyfuse, surely? With a crappy power level it will just BSOD (heh) randomly. Innit?
[3:07] <Arch-Cloud> IT_Sean: man..yer no fun at all
[3:07] <IT_Sean> Hey, i know it's tempting, but, it does NOT taste of raspberries.
[3:08] <IT_Sean> And licking it while iti s powered can lead to Bad Things.
[3:08] <hamitron> like grilled tongue
[3:08] <ReggieUK> it's not a an under/over power thing
[3:08] <hamitron> just smoothing
[3:08] <ReggieUK> it's whether the power fluctuates
[3:08] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said.
[3:09] <IT_Sean> All the cap does is smooth out fluctuations in the supply.
[3:09] <plugwash> http://uk.farnell.com/panasonic/eeeft1c221ap/capacitor-alu-16v-220uf-20/dp/2065971 would probablly be a suitable replacement
[3:09] <IT_Sean> But, if your PSU is well regulated, youtotally don't need it.
[3:10] <hamitron> there could be something else broken anyway
[3:10] <plugwash> that capacitor is probablly the most easilly damaged thing on the Pi
[3:10] * IT_Sean just realised, he has 4 different computers running 4 different OSes in his house.
[3:10] <plugwash> because it's a surface mount electrolytic and they suck from a robustness perspective
[3:11] <plugwash> IIRC the foundation have said they plan to replace it with a through-hole part in future PCB revs
[3:11] <IT_Sean> That's probably A Good Idea.
[3:11] <Syliss> IT_Sean: what OSes
[3:11] <IT_Sean> Thru hole FTW, IMO.
[3:12] <IT_Sean> Syliss: OS X, Windows 7 (the work issue laptop), Linux, and Chrome OS.
[3:12] <Arch-Cloud> IT_Sean: just 4 huh?
[3:12] <Syliss> how is chrome os?
[3:12] <hamitron> what linux distro?
[3:12] <maicod> IT_Sean: hope not one is from Apple;)
[3:12] <IT_Sean> Ubutnu 12 (Gnome classic)
[3:12] <Arch-Cloud> i could never get chromeos to work on anything i had so i gave up
[3:12] <IT_Sean> maicod, don't start a Mac hate rant. really.
[3:12] <Syliss> lol maicod
[3:12] <maicod> :)
[3:12] <IT_Sean> Arch-Cloud. Google CR-48. :D
[3:13] <hamitron> isn't Chrome OS linux?
[3:13] <Syliss> i like my mpb
[3:13] <Arch-Cloud> i like my rmbp
[3:13] <Arch-Cloud> and my imac
[3:13] * hamitron never tried it
[3:13] <IT_Sean> hamitron, it's different enough that i feel the need to differentiate it.
[3:13] <Arch-Cloud> and mac mini
[3:13] <maicod> btw its bedtime here so I'm off
[3:13] <Syliss> IT_Sean: free cr-48?
[3:13] <IT_Sean> Syliss. Yup.
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[3:13] <Syliss> ass
[3:13] <Arch-Cloud> IT_Sean: ahhh well ok then
[3:13] <Syliss> i wish i could have gotten one
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[3:13] <Arch-Cloud> Syliss: heh its very nice
[3:13] <IT_Sean> Got it secondhand from a friend. I did sign up for the google beta test, but never got one directly from google.
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[3:14] <Arch-Cloud> Syliss: im gonna get a mac pro when they do a proper refresh
[3:14] <SpeedEvil> Just put the cap next to the ethernet port - and then it can't get banged easily
[3:15] <IT_Sean> The cr-48 is a pretty sweet machine.
[3:15] <nid0> or go poe and ditch the microusb \o/
[3:16] <SpeedEvil> POE blows.
[3:16] <IT_Sean> My other machines are a ThinkPad X220t (Ubuntu), ThinkPad SL410 (company issue, Windows 7) and an iMac (OS X)
[3:16] <plugwash> Arch-Cloud, I suspect the new mac pro is waiting on the release of the new dual LGA2011 stuff
[3:16] <nid0> poe is perfectly fine
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[3:16] <hamitron> poe is hardly great for a kid learning at home
[3:17] <plugwash> hmm, that has come out now
[3:17] <plugwash> so I'd think apple would incorporate it soon
[3:17] <PReDiToR> POE is great if you make a patch lead that pulls out the power and doesn't let it get to the magjack.
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[3:17] <SpeedEvil> nid0: POE is a hacked-together standard that is comparatively expensive to do.
[3:17] <Arch-Cloud> plugwash: hmm let me go look that up and see what it is
[3:17] <hamitron> I could see them removing ethernet in the future tbh
[3:18] <nid0> hamitron, its slightly less ubiquitous but for a lot of people its just a different bit of kit to buy, most people are buying their microusb power plugs specifically for pis anyway
[3:18] <IT_Sean> I doubt it.
[3:18] <IT_Sean> Ethernet is quick & easy. Plug it in and BAM. Innernet.
[3:18] <hamitron> I too prefer ethernet
[3:18] <hamitron> but seems a lot of devices are not wireless
[3:18] <plugwash> Arch-Cloud, LGA2011 is intel's latest CPU socket with quad-channel memory, a load of on-chip PCIe and two QPI links (allowing for systems with up to four processors)
[3:18] <hamitron> now*
[3:19] <Arch-Cloud> plugwash: well because the way the mac pro's are built they have to have a special MB design that seperates the memory modules
[3:20] <Arch-Cloud> plugwash: so i wouldnt think that would hold them up but who knows
[3:22] <plugwash> from the pictures i'm seeing on google image search the LGA1366 mac pros seem to have a tray with the CPUs and ram
[3:22] <Arch-Cloud> plugwash: not that the memory modules have anything to do with it..just they make there own design
[3:23] <plugwash> the early mac pros had the memory modules on seperate cards but I don't think that is practical with current processors
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[3:23] * IT_Sean is off
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[3:24] <hamitron> IT_Sean: when was your "use by" date?
[3:24] <Arch-Cloud> heh to late
[3:24] <hamitron> yeh :/
[3:25] <Alpha`> yay it works without it - http://i.imgur.com/06EmD.jpg
[3:25] * hamitron jealous
[3:25] <plugwash> modern CPUs with on-die memory controllers need the memory to be close to the CPU and higher speeds make that more important than ever, that is why LGA2011 boards all have the memory split into two groups on opposite sides of the CPU
[3:26] <Arch-Cloud> plugwash: hmm i wonder how there going to make it modular then
[3:26] <Arch-Cloud> it would be nice if the internet rumors were true
[3:27] <Arch-Cloud> but sadly 90% dont come true
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[3:27] <plugwash> the nahelm based version looks like it has the processors and memory together on a tray and I'd expect them to continue that with the LGA2011 version
[3:27] <plugwash> either that or go back to a conventional motherboard based design
[3:28] <hamitron> or discontinue full machines, and target tablet/mobile only?
[3:28] <hamitron> ;)
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[3:32] <PiBot> The topic is 1 year off.
[3:32] <Arch-Cloud> lol it is
[3:33] * ReggieUK changes topic to 'Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel. Logs @ http://srv.datagutt1.com] ** No Foul Language ** <> Starting 9th July 2012 you will only be able to join #raspberrypi if you are registered w/ Nickserv. <>'
[3:33] <hamitron> is that a good idea for a public chan?
[3:34] <Helldesk> it's a pain in the arse
[3:35] <PReDiToR> Wow. That's a new one.
[3:35] <PReDiToR> Never seen a chan that had that requirement.
[3:35] <hamitron> just thinking if a newb with their new r-pi can't work out how to use the r-pi..... how they gonna learn to register on IRC?
[3:35] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: alot of channels require that
[3:35] <Helldesk> in my experience it has caused annoying troubles on other channels (#android and what else)
[3:35] <PReDiToR> Maybe I've not asked for enough help =(
[3:35] * Billiard imagines what "alot of channels" looks like
[3:36] <Helldesk> sometimes rejoining a registered-only channel after a reconnect fails
[3:36] <PReDiToR> Billiard - At the risk of sounding like a grammar nazi ... probably a bit like "a lot of channels" lol
[3:36] <ReggieUK> what troubles has it caused that you've seen?
[3:36] <Helldesk> Billiard: perhaps it's a bit like the internet, which is a series of pipes
[3:36] <SpeedEvil> PReDiToR: Chanserv is an Alot
[3:36] <ReggieUK> is that the issue? peoples auto join scripts don't work?
[3:36] <ReggieUK> wow
[3:36] <ReggieUK> I'm going to lose sleep on that :D
[3:37] <Billiard> someone know of a good and cheap and powered usb hub?
[3:37] <Helldesk> I haven't documented the failure modes in detail, but automatic re-joining or straight-up automatic joining such a channel when connecting isn't foolproof
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[3:37] <hamitron> well, if mine don't work, you will not have me :/ just not sure if that is good or bad though :D
[3:37] <hotwings> registering with nickserv doesnt mean much, no biggie imo. but i do agree its kinda lame for new users
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[3:38] <ReggieUK> I'm registered with nickserv
[3:38] <hamitron> it was the new users I was considering
[3:38] <ReggieUK> and join plenty of channels automatically when I start
[3:38] <Arch-Cloud> Billiard: www.elinx.org under the raspberry section...and as for criticizing my spelling..this is irc..not engrish class
[3:38] <ReggieUK> 12 to be precise
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[3:39] <PReDiToR> irssi will auto-join, you can set a sleep() until nickserv has been msg'd and works like a dream. Wish you didn't have to Cygwin to run it on Winders.
[3:39] <hotwings> hamitron - its just a requirement that doesnt have any real benefit
[3:39] <PReDiToR> Arch-Cloud - No offence meant, I was joking. Sorry if you took it badly.
[3:39] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: use your rpi then
[3:40] * hamitron just hates been told he has to do something, so resists it
[3:40] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: wasn't directed at you so no offense taken
[3:40] <PReDiToR> Arch-Cloud - Boot into Arch instead of Windows I think.
[3:40] <hotwings> PReDiToR - mirc can do the same thing. its fully scriptable
[3:40] <Billiard> Arch-Cloud: thanks, I've been there. it doesn't really mention their cheapness
[3:40] <ReggieUK> hamitron, you must breathe!
[3:40] <hamitron> don't!
[3:40] <hamitron> :/
[3:40] <Arch-Cloud> Billiard: you in the US or UK?
[3:40] <PReDiToR> hotwings - Haven't used mIRC in over 10 years lol
[3:40] <Billiard> US
[3:41] <Arch-Cloud> Billiard: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000SAB34O/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00
[3:41] <PReDiToR> I hope Khaled made a fortune out of it though. It got a lot of Windows users into the more esoteric aspects of the Internets.
[3:41] <hamitron> ReggieUK: but maybe a good idea to put info (how to register) on any pages that suggest this chan for help with your r-pi?
[3:41] <PReDiToR> hamitron - Good idea. On the wiki would be good.
[3:41] <Arch-Cloud> Billiard: 12$
[3:42] <Billiard> 13* :p but thanks for the suggestion
[3:42] <Arch-Cloud> Billiard: if you go cheaper you will get a chipset that doesnt agree with the rpi
[3:42] <hotwings> whats the nickserv requirement supposed to accomplish?
[3:42] <ReggieUK> sure, we'll get that done before time
[3:42] <hamitron> tbh, I'd ban newbs anyway
[3:42] <SpeedEvil> I was wondering that too.
[3:42] <hamitron> ;D
[3:42] <PReDiToR> hamitron - n00bs are the raison d'etre of the RasPi, non?
[3:43] <hamitron> yeh
[3:43] <hamitron> haha
[3:43] <ReggieUK> You'd have to ask it_sean on that one
[3:43] <hamitron> after that cap comment, he'd be banned
[3:43] <Arch-Cloud> hamitron: rpi's were meant for the kids who are newbs...its just the non newbs wanted it as well
[3:43] <hamitron> ;)
[3:43] <hamitron> I wasn't serious about banning them
[3:43] <hamitron> :)
[3:43] <Arch-Cloud> suuuure
[3:44] <hotwings> rpi is meant for anyone with at least $35 disposable income
[3:44] <PReDiToR> hamitron - My beard has quite a bit of grey in it, please may I join?
[3:44] <Arch-Cloud> its more than 35$
[3:44] <PReDiToR> ?30.87 mine cost.
[3:44] <netman87> hmm what a... why dosnt supertux start with my RPi debian install
[3:44] <Arch-Cloud> hotwings: proper ps, proper sd, proper hub
[3:44] <netman87> mine did cost 40eur including shipping
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[3:45] <Alpha`> the pi has maxed cpu doing an apt-get update, is that normal? o.O
[3:45] <hotwings> Arch-Cloud - the rpi still costs $35
[3:45] <netman87> without cables and sdcard
[3:45] <Arch-Cloud> initially
[3:45] <Arch-Cloud> cant run it wothout the others
[3:45] <hamitron> apt-get is actually surprisingly intensive on resources tbh
[3:45] <hotwings> rpi foundation isnt in the business of selling ps, sd, and hubs
[3:45] <PReDiToR> Might have all the other stuff laying around.
[3:45] <Arch-Cloud> hotwings: now your being anal
[3:46] <hotwings> Arch-Cloud - how so? i can show you the receipt for my rpi. it cost me $35.
[3:48] <Billiard> I want to power a usb hub and rpi with a minimal amount of cables, any simple solutions? :p
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[3:49] <Arch-Cloud> Billiard: headless after its setup
[3:49] <Helldesk> "you're being#
[3:49] <Helldesk> -# +"
[3:49] <hotwings> Billiard - rpi + powered usb hub (which will also power the rpi). rpi cost me $35. 4 port hub cost me $12. 6' hdmi cable cost me $1.99
[3:49] <Helldesk> man, I still haven't received the hdmi cable I bought off ebay, I wonder if I should complain already or not
[3:50] <Helldesk> been a few weeks
[3:50] <Arch-Cloud> Helldesk: i made my point despite the grammer infraction..plus i dont care....again this is irc
[3:50] <Helldesk> *grammar
[3:50] <Billiard> hotwings: rpi-power into hub which then plugs into rpi-usb?
[3:50] <Arch-Cloud> whatever
[3:50] <Helldesk> this is indeed irc, where text is the only method of communication, placing *more* emphasis on it, not less
[3:50] <netman87> hmm i have pretty much minimal debian on SD it boots, X works on fbdev
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[3:51] <Helldesk> that argument sounds like "this is telephone, it doesn't matter if you can hear me or not" ;)
[3:51] <netman87> but there isnt anything called vchiq
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[3:51] <hotwings> Billiard - yup
[3:51] <netman87> no modules or files
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[3:51] <hotwings> hub upstream -> rpi usb, any hub usb -> rpi power, 3 extra hub ports for whatever else (keyboard, mouse, etc)
[3:52] <nrdb> where do I get the latest debian image from?
[3:52] <Arch-Cloud> nrdb: which one?
[3:53] <Billiard> hotwings: any ideas where I can use AC->micro-usb for power? :p
[3:53] <hotwings> Arch-Cloud - i understand the point youre trying to make. but do you understand the price cost $35?
[3:53] <nrdb> Arch-Cloud, I didn't know I had a choice.
[3:53] <Helldesk> has anybody run into problems with such usb hub-supplied power? I do it that way too, but in theory a hub that doesn't supply more than the usb spec could end up causing trouble, I don't know...
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[3:53] <Arch-Cloud> squeeze, wheezy, raspbian?
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[3:54] <nrdb> Arch-Cloud, what is raspbian?
[3:54] <Billiard> maybe there is a micro usb powered hub :/ I just don't like all those stupid proprietary cables
[3:54] <hotwings> Billiard - you mean just plug the rpi into a wall outlet directly? nope, you need a power supply to provide the correct requirement
[3:54] <PReDiToR> Helldesk - If you don't have USB and run headless the only power is the SoC and Ethernet. That runs fine plugged into the USB of my laptop.
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[3:55] <hotwings> you can get a usb<->micro usb adapter for a couple bucks. never heard of a micro usb hub
[3:55] <Helldesk> I need another microusb cable but they tend to cost almost as much as a Pi around here
[3:56] <Billiard> internet?
[3:56] <nrdb> Helldesk, I run mine happily from my laptop USB and from a AC-USB battery charge supplied for my camera.
[3:56] <Helldesk> of course what I mean is that I need to be bothered to order one :p
[3:56] <Helldesk> nrdb: as it happens, my only cable I happened to own is for my Ardupilot Mega
[3:57] <Helldesk> *my only usb-microusb cable that is
[3:57] <Arch-Cloud> nrdb: www.raspbian.org
[3:57] <hotwings> amazon.com: USB to Micro-USB Cable - 6 Ft. -> $1.40 + Free Shipping. In Stock. Sold by bargain cable
[3:57] <Helldesk> I don't have other state-of-the-art hardware that uses microusb at the moment
[3:57] <Arch-Cloud> nrdb: official wheezy beta is on the front page of www.raspberrypi.com
[3:57] <Billiard> hotwings: that won't help power the hub
[3:58] <Billiard> or are you talking about Helldesk's issue :p
[3:58] <PReDiToR> I got two USB-microUBS adapters for 99p
[3:58] <Helldesk> I guess he was talking to me, but I doubt US amazon ships to Europe
[3:58] <hotwings> Helldesk's issue
[3:58] <hotwings> amazon.uk maybe?
[3:58] <hotwings> ebay
[3:58] <nrdb> Arch-Cloud, wow that is good... thanks..
[3:58] <Helldesk> they have super saver shipping to Finland these days - if the order is expensive enough
[3:59] <Helldesk> I think it was 30 euros or pounds or something
[3:59] <Arch-Cloud> nrdb: if ou dont like debian you can try arch, gentoo..i think there is a freebsd version
[3:59] <Arch-Cloud> err you
[4:00] <PReDiToR> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-USB-to-Micro-USB-Adapter-Data-Charger-Converter-7-/110734912306?pt=UK_Computing_USB_Cables&hash=item19c850ab32
[4:00] <nrdb> Arch-Cloud, debian is just fine... my favorite for my desktops etc. is ubuntu atm
[4:00] <hotwings> Helldesk - just get an american to buy you a $1.40 cable and sent it by usps. couldnt be more than a few bucks shipping
[4:00] <Arch-Cloud> nrdb: ahh then you should be right at hope then
[4:00] <Arch-Cloud> to many then's
[4:01] <Helldesk> hotwings: oh, I order cheap stuff off ebay all the time so I just need to be bothered
[4:01] <Helldesk> the trouble is of course spotting the worst of the bunch and avoiding those
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[4:02] <hotwings> Helldesk - hard to go wrong with $.99 chinese crap w/free shipping :)
[4:02] <nrdb> Arch-Cloud, yes.. do you use it?
[4:02] <hotwings> can afford to make a bad call there
[4:02] <Arch-Cloud> hotwings: ohh no i understand....maybe its just me then
[4:03] <Arch-Cloud> nrdb: i do...and many others...still trying to decide which one i want to stick with
[4:03] <Helldesk> hotwings: that's the upshot, yeah :)
[4:03] <Helldesk> but if you order two from different sources to hedge your bets and both are terrible quality with thin conductors, then eh
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[4:04] <Arch-Cloud> Helldesk: i bought a 9$ usb hub that did not supply the correct voltage and was using a chipset that didn't play well with the rpi
[4:05] <Arch-Cloud> i also bought a 25$ one that did the same thing
[4:05] <nrdb> Helldesk, the micro-usb is just power and not much is needed, so thin conductors isn't a worry.
[4:05] <PReDiToR> I went to the Pound Shop and bought a hub. It identifies as a keyboard for some reason.
[4:05] <Syliss> lol
[4:05] <Helldesk> nrdb: oh, there's plenty of potential to have trouble in surprising places with usb power
[4:06] <Arch-Cloud> nrdb: i have 4 micro-usb power supplies and they all were not sufficient for the rpi
[4:06] <Syliss> Arch-Cloud: i don't think i will ever need a mac pro, plus way too expensive
[4:06] <Helldesk> I have this tiny male usb-female usb A lead that caused funky problems once (came with a chinese usb hub)
[4:09] <Arch-Cloud> Syliss: they are indeed expensive, i love my iMac but i have owned it for to long and its getting long in the tooth tech standard wise...and cant upgrade it...so the mac pro is where I want to go but will have to wait till the next release
[4:09] <PReDiToR> At some point I imagine I'll get some form of Mac. I'm currently looking at a partition on my drive to make this lappy a Hackintosh, but the process is so convoluted, it's almost like Apple don't want you to try their OS.
[4:09] <Syliss> Arch-Cloud: yeah no point in upgrading till it at least gets thunderbolt
[4:09] <Arch-Cloud> Syliss: i normally only keep mac's for 2 years
[4:10] <Syliss> my mbp is 2008
[4:10] <Syliss> pre unibody too
[4:10] <Syliss> unless i can get a newer one cheap, I'm sticking with this one
[4:10] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: heh i want to do the hackintosh just to do it
[4:10] <Syliss> PReDiToR: what laptop?
[4:11] <PReDiToR> Syliss - Toshiba Satellite L650-1GF
[4:11] <Syliss> my old pentium d tower was a hackintosh
[4:11] <PReDiToR> Syliss - European model, FYI
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[4:12] <PReDiToR> Wound't it be nice to run a BSD kernel onthe RasPi?
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[4:12] <Arch-Cloud> PReDiToR: you mean freebsd or the BSD standard?
[4:13] <Arch-Cloud> if there is such a thing
[4:13] <Syliss> lol
[4:14] <passstab> why run bsd on pi ? (besides the obvious)
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[4:14] <PReDiToR> I ran Debian with the BSD kernel.
[4:14] <passstab> and how was it?
[4:14] <PReDiToR> Took me MONTHS to seed that puppy to 1.0. Not a lot of people wanted to download it.
[4:15] <passstab> lol
[4:15] <Arch-Cloud> i wonder why
[4:15] <passstab> what did you think of it?
[4:15] <PReDiToR> It was ... * * * CENSORED * * * ... Censored because I don't want to get into a distro flamewar lol
[4:15] <Arch-Cloud> i know uBoot was made to support freebsd port
[4:16] <Arch-Cloud> not sure how far along it is though..the port i mean
[4:16] <PReDiToR> Suffice to say, I'm not a fan of .DEB although it is perfectly fine for people to like it more than other styles of package and distro. Is that diplomatic enough?
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[4:17] <Arch-Cloud> its no different than .rpm
[4:17] <passstab> why not?
[4:17] <passstab> err
[4:17] <passstab> why don't you like it?
[4:18] <passstab> i like .deb only because it's more popular
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[4:19] <passstab> and i want there to be a standard
[4:19] <PReDiToR> passstab - You're asking a very subjective question. I only have my opinion to answer it with. I prefer more control.
[4:19] <plugwash> my feeling is that all package management systems have their warts and you will end up preffering the one you learnt to beat into submission first, for me that's deb for other people it's other systems
[4:20] <tzarc> emerge.
[4:20] * tzarc grins
[4:20] <passstab> what is the difference between the formats?
[4:20] <passstab> i
[4:20] <tzarc> usually just metadata format
[4:20] <PReDiToR> plugwash - I agree in principle. However I learned on YAST, and emerge is my favourite. I've got pacman beause it is closer to Gentoo than it is to openSUSE but is still binary.
[4:21] <passstab> i'm under the impression it's superficial
[4:21] <Arch-Cloud> with Linux there is no standard...just variations of the same thing
[4:21] <tzarc> they're pretty much all just tarballs
[4:21] <tzarc> with diff stuff saying what to run and when
[4:21] <tzarc> conceptually, that's all they are
[4:22] <passstab> as i suspected
[4:24] <PReDiToR> *sigh* I'm starting to wish I had Gentoo on this machine now. I hate thinking about my favourite distro.
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[4:29] <Syliss> mi liking puppi
[4:29] <Syliss> im*
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[4:33] <Syliss> just need a decent web browser
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[4:35] <PReDiToR> Syliss - try links/elinks ;)
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[4:36] <Syliss> links was meh
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[4:38] <PReDiToR> I have a mate who is a confirmed Win7 user. Doesn't understand why I like "Lunix". I had him download PuTTY and log into my RasPi. He ran "$ lynx http://google.co.uk" and followed the link to GOOG news. Always nice to open someone's eyes.
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[5:09] <netman87> hmm my Xorg crashes too often
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[5:09] <netman87> i was now able to start supertux and play for sometime
[5:09] <netman87> but when i did close it Xorg crashed
[5:10] <netman87> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.21-rpi1+ #12 Sun Jul 1 18:10:03 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[5:11] <netman87> root@raspberrypi:~# /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd version -> version 323014 (release)
[5:11] <netman87> bootc debian image + xorg + nodm + fluxbox + rpi-update for firmwares
[5:12] <netman87> bootc kernel have problems? or firmwares?
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[5:14] <netman87> with squeeze (raspberry stable image) i was able to play it... close and open and close and open
[5:15] <PReDiToR> I had tightvnc up and playing happily yesterday when I tried debian. LXDE is nice.
[5:15] <Arch-Cloud> netman87: I've not had allot of luck with that kernel....when i did a apt-get update i got it to kernel panic 2 times...some more kernel panics when i tried to install openssh-server
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[5:19] <netman87> oh i havent had kernel panics
[5:20] <netman87> but yeah it seems like that bootc kernel is pretty unstable
[5:20] <netman87> where i can get better kernel image?
[5:20] <PReDiToR> image or source?
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[5:23] <Arch-Cloud> netman87: yeah i just switched back to whatever wheezy beta 3.1.9
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[5:27] <netman87> Arch-Cloud: did u notice unstablity with wheezy?
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[5:29] <netman87> and does that wheezy disk-image have pre installed X?
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[5:29] <netman87> as i did take wheezy image from bootc sites and it was pretty minimal
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[5:34] <netman87> going to smoke. did put supertux on.. it sure uses some cpu without gpu accel
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[5:35] <rudle> I just did an -Syu (full system update) on my archlinux-arm install and it didn't come back from a reboot. what could be wrong?
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[5:37] <PReDiToR> rudle: Did you see any monitor output?
[5:37] <rudle> PReDiToR: no. additionally the "OK" light didn't come on
[5:37] <PReDiToR> rudle: Did the OK light flash at all?
[5:38] <Arch-Cloud> netman87: yes
[5:38] <rudle> PReDiToR: no, i don't think it did - i've since wiped the SD card :\
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[5:40] <netman87> damn it why closing supertux crashes Xorg
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[5:54] <Arch-Cloud> netman87: is that the game supertux or is this something else with a similiar name?
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[6:02] <netman87> supertux game
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[6:07] <netman87> hmm okey its not supertux
[6:07] <netman87> maybe Xorg then
[6:08] <netman87> huh huh... should i remove xorg and xserver-xorg and their depends and install them again from debian stable
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[6:55] <yggdrasil> whats up
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[6:57] <netman87> taxes
[6:57] <netman87> tax's
[6:57] <netman87> food price too
[6:58] <netman87> http://hackaday.com/2012/07/03/levitating-lightbulb-does-it-all-with-no-wires/#more-78724 <- neat
[6:58] <Mr_Sheesh> The # of RPis in the wild is up too
[6:59] <netman87> what is libwayland0
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[7:03] <PReDiToR> Taxes is correct. Plurals don't need ' Just FYI, seeing as it looked like you cared.
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[7:33] <yggdrasil> whatsup
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[7:36] <yggdrasil> sweet
[7:36] <yggdrasil> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/the-punnet-a-raspberry-pi-case-you-can-download-and-print-2012072/
[7:38] <Pickley> To pay more to get a Raspberry Pi now, or wait.
[7:38] <Xark> Pickley: Why pay more? Ebay?
[7:39] <Pickley> Ebay for one.
[7:39] <Pickley> can't get hold of them in NZ at all, scalpers have them all
[7:40] <Pickley> Would be paying 96USD for one compared to the real price of 35.
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[7:42] <Xark> Ouch. I doubt the shortage will last too much longer.
[7:42] <Pickley> Well its the point of do I want one in a few days vs a few months
[7:42] <rm> get an MK802
[7:43] <rm> $70 shipped
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[7:44] <Pickley> I want GPIO for later use as well ;)
[7:45] <Arch-Cloud> rm: im still waiting for mine :(
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[7:54] <jagginess> hi
[7:54] <PReDiToR> hi
[7:55] <jagginess> raspberry pi does it come with a plug?
[7:55] <PReDiToR> No
[7:55] <jagginess> ok
[7:55] <PReDiToR> But you can order one from the supplier at the same time as you order.
[7:55] <jagginess> i guess i'll have to find a n.american power plug adapter for this
[7:56] <jagginess> (yes, thanks-- they're uk :)
[7:56] <PReDiToR> It will run from a standard phone charger that does microUSB
[7:56] <jagginess> it powers from a usb port?
[7:56] <PReDiToR> microUSB, 5v
[7:56] <jagginess> ok
[7:56] <jagginess> i got like 2 of those that's cool
[7:57] <jagginess> "Powered from microUSB socket" aha!
[7:57] <PReDiToR> If one of them does 1000mA+ it would probably be perfect.
[7:57] <jagginess> thanks :)
[7:57] <PReDiToR> NP
[7:57] <jagginess> i'll come back later
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[8:09] <sirclockalot> What is a good way to benchmark my lighttpd server on my Pi?
[8:10] <rm> a program called 'siege' from another computer
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[8:19] <sirclockalot> danke!
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[8:24] <duckxx> hi
[8:24] <duckxx> anyone from nyc here ?
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[8:29] <joeka> hello!
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[8:37] <netman87> hmm i think that debian stable kernel/loader/firmwares are better than rpi-update/bootc/debian beta ones
[8:37] <netman87> some of them
[8:37] <netman87> it seems like if i change just /boot and /lib/modules then i dont get Xorg crashes
[8:38] <netman87> ill need to think little more later and do some tests
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[8:38] <netman87> oh and i think its just kernel
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[8:39] <joeka> is anyone using crosstool-ng to build the cross compiling toolchain for arch linux arm?
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[8:42] <tech2077> joeka, why not just clone the prebuilt one
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[8:43] <tech2077> or install it
[8:43] <tech2077> through a package manager
[8:44] <joeka> you mean install crosstool-ng?
[8:44] <joeka> I get that far
[8:45] <joeka> then I want to use it to "ct-ng build" my cross toolchain and that is what fails
[8:45] <joeka> I'm following this tutorial: http://archlinuxarm.org/developers/distcc-cross-compiling
[8:46] <joeka> getting this error: http://pastebin.com/8jGD7M6P
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[8:52] <joeka> tech2077, or did you mean something else?
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[8:53] <tech2077> joeka, can't you install the cross compiling toolchain
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[8:54] <joeka> tech2077, I did that before but had some problems with it
[8:54] <tech2077> ah
[8:54] <joeka> but you are probably right, could be the easier way
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[8:57] <joeka> tech2077, thank you for reminding me of the easier way :)
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[9:28] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps.
[9:29] <booyaa> hello gordonDrogon
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[9:34] <gordonDrogon> spot of breakfast time I think!
[9:36] <booyaa> getting mono setup, going to impress the lads at work (we're a .net shop)
[9:37] <booyaa> they do do any command line so me showing them me sshing to an rpi on the internet using my iphone was tat like black magick :D
[9:37] <booyaa> they don't do
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[10:13] <booyaa> mmm mono install script may have hung...
[10:13] <lrvick> netsplit much?
[10:14] <lrvick> https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/602963_10100352883835152_1107698430_n.jpg Raspberry pie on raspberry pi
[10:14] <lrvick> doh
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[10:15] <booyaa> well that was odd, had to restart apache2 on antoher terminal for it to kick in
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[10:18] <netman87> nice work PiBot
[10:20] <lrvick> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/w0v3w/raspberry_pie_on_raspberry_pi/
[10:22] <netman87> can u send slice?
[10:22] <netman87> where u did get cases?
[10:22] <netman87> i wanna one or two
[10:23] <R`> https://www.adafruit.com/products/859
[10:23] <R`> ?
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[10:28] <netman87> cool
[10:30] <Scepterr> anybody multibooting off a single sd ?
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, is that yours?
[10:36] <Veryevil> multibooting of a single sd card should be possible
[10:37] <Veryevil> but there isnt currrently a boot loader to display the options on boot
[10:38] <Veryevil> it would be a matter of having different root partitions and the changing the root= part in cmdline.txt
[10:38] <Scepterr> gutted a psone portable screen, 3.5" lcd :)
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[10:39] <gordonDrogon> Scepterr, a what?
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[10:40] <HashNuke> hey all. I just booted my pi with Arch linux. I have a Belkin N150 wireless dongle how do i use it with the pi?
[10:41] <Scepterr> gordonDrogon: http://psx.ign.com/articles/059/059261p1.html
[10:42] <Scepterr> i could mount the rpi inside the back
[10:42] <Scepterr> or just velcro it on :p
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> that site 500's for me.
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> HashNuke, re-install with Debian ;-)
[10:43] <Scepterr> http://psxmedia.ign.com/media/hardware/image/interact/mobilemonitor1.jpg
[10:43] <HashNuke> lol
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> Ah got it. right.
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> do you think you can get the Pi to drive the screen?
[10:44] <Scepterr> its composite
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> oh? wow...
[10:44] <Scepterr> composite + ps av connector
[10:45] <booyaa> are they very cheap?
[10:45] <Scepterr> no clue ive had it for nearly since it came out
[10:46] <Scepterr> got rid of the psone years ago, held on to the screen :)
[10:46] <Scepterr> i paid atleast $100
[10:47] <nid0> HashNuke: afaik a belkin n150 is just yet another realtek 8188, there're loads of threads on the forum about getting the rtl8192cu driver you need going on both arch and debian
[10:47] <HashNuke> nid0: thanks!
[10:49] <Scepterr> hmm this is pretty cheap for 5" http://www.ebay.com/itm/Portable-5-TFT-LCD-Monitor-for-PS-PS1-PS2-PS3-Wii-XBox-XBox360-DreamCast-/170766640166?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item27c27c2426#ht_723wt_992
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[10:58] <gordonDrogon> Scepterr, Hm. I never thought of going down that route for a Pi screen.
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> Scepterr, I was looking at some cheap (?65) portable TVs recently too.
[10:59] <Scepterr> as an "aux" scren its good
[10:59] <Scepterr> screen*
[10:59] <Scepterr> debug
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/essentials-c16ldib11-refurbished-16-hd-ready-lcd-tv-11081823-pdt.html
[10:59] <Mr_Sheesh> I've wondered if some of the stuff on DX.com would work on an RPi, but I already have a display
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> I still fancy one of those. 720p.
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> dx - ah, Deal Extreme... ok if you can wait for it as I gather ;-)
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> my first Pi display shown here ;-) http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[11:00] <Mr_Sheesh> There is that. I lucked out at goodwill LOL
[11:00] <Scepterr> i think everybody here has a tolerance for waiting :p
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[11:01] <orac99> hello peoples
[11:01] <orac99> what is the best OS to install for installing quake 3 or quake 2
[11:02] <booyaa> well fingers crossed in about 12 wks time my own rpi will arrive (placed the order this morning)
[11:02] <booyaa> then i can hand my mate his loaner back
[11:02] <orac99> im currently installing debian from raspberry website, but after doing some reading, have come across raspbian
[11:02] <booyaa> raspbian has a few more tweaks like l2 cache enabled i think
[11:03] <orac99> hrrm ok.
[11:03] <booyaa> also recompiled to use hard float rather than using a virtual layer which is what i think soft float means
[11:03] <booyaa> hard float is native compiled for the soc
[11:03] <booyaa> chime in guys if i got that wrong
[11:04] <booyaa> orac99: internet seems to think (well youtube) arch might be usable
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> that's about it.
[11:04] <booyaa> \o/
[11:04] <RaYmAn> iirc, the general hardfloat vs softfloat, isn't whether hardware floating point is used. It's more whether or not arguments are passed in float registers or not
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> what you may find is that after installing it, you then need to install more packages manually, but I think they're working on an installer for it.
[11:05] <orac99> raspbian seems to be the better choice then ?
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> RaYmAn, the debian has software emulation for floating point too, so there's really 2 wins by using raspbian.
[11:05] <booyaa> orac99: have ytou seen this? http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1139
[11:05] <booyaa> hexxeh is the man i think he wrote rpi-update
[11:05] <RaYmAn> gordonDrogon: oh. Funky - that seems really odd
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> although you can compile stuff yourself to use hardware FP under Debian - but it still uses the soft-float ABI which is innefficient.
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[11:06] <orac99> yeah i saw that page booyaa. link to q3 binaries is dead.
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> it's decisions the Debian people took at the time when they were working on Squeeze - I suspect if they knew about the Pi at that point it might have been different.
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[11:06] <RaYmAn> it depends on how much you pass around floats :>
[11:07] <booyaa> orac99: ah that's a shame why not ping him on twitter
[11:07] <booyaa> ?
[11:07] <orac99> could do i guess.
[11:07] <RaYmAn> gordonDrogon: The big issue is that hardfp ABI has had really poor drive rsupport - so it's only fairly recently it's realistic :)
[11:07] <mjr> RaYmAn, the thing is that debian supports arm5 with softfloat or arm7 with hardfloat. Pi is arm6, so latter is out of the question, so one has to use the softfloat debian if one is to use the official packagings at all.
[11:07] <RaYmAn> mjr: yeah.
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[11:08] <gordonDrogon> RaYmAn, yea... I run one Pi Debian One Raspbian and am about to re-do the third with Wheezy - as I understand the Foundation are officially going to support Wheezy. Bizarre thought it is..
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[11:11] <orac99> well all that has still leave me confuzzled on what would be best to install for Q3
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> Personally, I'd go for Raspbian.
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian is Debian Wheezy, but with the hardFP enabled.
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> It has one or 2 packages missing from the official Debian Wheezy, but I'm not sure most folks will notice.
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> and as the foundation are moving to wheezy (which will become stable in a year or so), you'll be well placed...
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> Well, that's what I reckon anyway.
[11:12] <orac99> Ok, I will give it a go
[11:13] <friggle> gordonDrogon: we have not said we're going with wheezy armel over raspbian :)
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> friggle, Oh? Well, I'm getting conflicting news then.
[11:14] <orac99> Maybe I will pick up multiple SD cards
[11:14] <orac99> I had bit of a play with XBMC aswell.
[11:14] <orac99> Hopefully they can get the menus to run a bit faster later on
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[11:17] <gordonDrogon> It seems I still have to install Wheezy though for the project I'm working on.
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[11:19] <gordonDrogon> Hm. is there an actual wheezy installer, or do I dist-upgrade from Squeeze?
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> ah, found it: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435
[11:21] <booyaa> is that the beta package?
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> Wheezy is Debian 'testing'.
[11:21] <booyaa> ah
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[11:21] <gordonDrogon> it's effectively a pre-release of the next stable version of Debian.
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian is also Wheezy, but compiled for armfh...
[11:22] <booyaa> i should really give it a go just to do my bit to help
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> right. that's downloading. Time for SS&S :)
[11:23] <booyaa> need to enable searching for torrents in a given directory
[11:23] <booyaa> so i can stick them in dropbox...
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[11:28] <booyaa> ?seen passstab
[11:28] <frankivo> !seen passstab
[11:28] <frankivo> meh
[11:28] <booyaa> :(
[11:28] <booyaa> i wonder if he's reg'd on nickserv
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[11:37] <booyaa> mmmm noticed that rpi loses clock during reboots
[11:37] <booyaa> is this normal? i'm using usb powersupply
[11:37] <fALSO> it doesnt have a RTC
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> yes.
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[11:38] <fALSO> it syncs the clock on boot
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[11:38] <SpeedEvil> You need one of these to keep time: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Modern-LED-Wooden-Desktop-USB-AAA-Digital-Alarm-Clock-Night-Light-Thermometer-UK-/290664813163?pt=UK_Alarmclocks&hash=item43acf9126b
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> (will not actually work)
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[11:44] <HashNuke> Hey all. I installed debian on the pi. And then installed firmware-realtek package. I connected my Belkin N150 (realtek) dongle to the pi. How do I turn it on and use it?
[11:44] <fALSO> like you would in any other computer
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> You need to use a powered hub - first of all.
[11:45] <HashNuke> fALSO: from the terminal
[11:45] <HashNuke> SpeedEvil: My raspberry pi is connected to the usb wall adapter for power.
[11:46] <SpeedEvil> HashNuke: you need to plug the belkin thingy into a powered hub, connected to the output of the Pi.
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[11:46] <fALSO> i would say: ifconfig
[11:46] <SpeedEvil> The Pi cannot supply power for devices that use more than a trivial amount of power.
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> This includes essentially all wirelss devices and cameras and things other than mice and keyboards.
[11:48] <HashNuke> SpeedEvil: oh. I didnt know that. Thanks for the info!
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[11:49] <booyaa> mmm http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/individual/newprodpages/prodinfo.php?prodcode=4D-RaspberryPi-RealTimeClock-RTC
[11:50] <booyaa> although might go for the one that includes a temperator sensor
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[11:52] <steveccc> am i the only one who is having lots of problem using usb keys with the pi?
[11:53] <booyaa> keys? keyboard of flash drives?
[11:53] <booyaa> of/or
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> steveccc: you need to use a powered hub to drive any storage, imaging, or wireless device - pretty much.
[11:54] <orac99> to run quake3 / xbmc etc i do not need to install desktop environment do i? I can run everything from command line correct ?
[11:54] <steveccc> speedevil: i have one that usb drives didnt work on and then I bought another on the recommended list and still having problems - hence I am wondering if it isnt the hub thats the problem
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> The hub is powered?
[11:55] <steveccc> yes 2.8A
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> Odd
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> What sort of problmeS?
[11:55] <steveccc> but I dont have a way to know that the power is working - wish there was a command on the pi to give details of current available / supplying
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[11:57] <steveccc> speedevil: basically I plug in the usb stick and it is detected (dmesg) and occasionally will mount but then try to do anything on it and you get read errors and other errors and then it fails. If you watch dmesg you can see it repeatedly trying to access the usb stick and failing. (the stick is brand new and working fine on an ubuntu laptop)
[11:57] <steveccc> ]
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> Do you have logs you can paste?
[11:58] <fALSO> explaining that on the homepage before users buying the pi would make so much sense :)
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> Does the stick act like it's unplugged, and replugged?
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> As a test - do you have anything that uses a lot of power you can plugin to the hub
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> For example - a USB microfridge, plasma ball, ...
[11:59] <steveccc> speedevil: unfortunately I last tried it a few days ago and the logs are gone. i will try again tonight though and capture the messages
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> Power porblems will show up as the device disconnecting, and reconnecting, possibly in a cycle
[12:00] <booyaa> there's a usb micro fridge?
[12:01] <dwatkins> http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/21/usb-mini-fridge-keeps-the-dorks-cool/
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-Fridge-Gift-Home-Office-New-/120868548421?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1c2453af45
[12:01] <steveccc> speedevil: i have a usb powered usb hard disk which gets red lights but normally they are blue when connected to a laptop. I have some lights I believe somewhere - I will try those when I get home
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[12:02] <booyaa> omg :D
[12:02] <steveccc> speedevil: i wont be impressed if the hub isnt working as I had it shipped from Germany as it was on the list. I cant imagine two decent usb hubs that are new both being bad though
[12:02] <frankivo> booyaa: you seemd surprised? :P
[12:03] <dwatkins> you can also get USB-powered drink warmers and bar-be-ques
[12:03] <dwatkins> USB BBQ: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/08/bbq0608152132_009.jpg
[12:03] * cjdavies has a USB-powered plasma ball, best HK$100 I ever spent
[12:03] <steveccc> are the changes that have gone into the new firmware visible anywhere so I can see what is fixed and whether any are usb related
[12:03] <dwatkins> silly but it works, allegedly
[12:03] <dwatkins> cjdavies: I have a USB-powered lava lamp, it's ace
[12:03] <nid0> those fridges are useless, cant fit tall cans :(
[12:04] <booyaa> frankivo: yeah i shouldn't be :D
[12:04] <frankivo> cjdavies: link pls ? :)
[12:04] <dwatkins> I think I'd rather have a mini-fridge, it can also serve as a table then.
[12:04] <cjdavies> frankivo: just search on dealextreme
[12:04] <frankivo> dwatkins: lol @ bbq
[12:06] <frankivo> cjdavies: so buying this
[12:06] <frankivo> thanks :P
[12:06] <dwatkins> my next silly purchase will be a set of these, probably: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/03/its-on-eeeeeebay-pacman-neon-l.php
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[12:07] <cjdavies> frankivo: be careful, dealextreme is a slippery slope - it's always "it's only $3, I'll buy it!"
[12:07] <frankivo> i know
[12:07] <cjdavies> then you end up with all sorts of crap you only pau attention to for 5 minutes :)
[12:08] <frankivo> not quite the first thing I order there :P
[12:08] <cjdavies> ;D
[12:08] <frankivo> oooh
[12:08] <frankivo> neon pacman
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[12:11] <dwatkins> frankivo: yeah, I saw it and my first thought was 'I want this, need to save up'
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[12:26] <ReggieUK> morning
[12:26] <booyaa> howdy
[12:27] <netman87> lol i was able to play supertux without crashes... sound didnt work... what a
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> Morning.
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> Oooh.
[12:27] * SpeedEvil realises that his chepo-maplin-wetherstation may arrive in 16 mins.
[12:27] <ReggieUK> ooooh
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> oh? Go a link to it?
[12:28] * ReggieUK realises that it's actually morning still!
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> http://www.maplin.co.uk/professional-wireless-weather-centre-220865?ordercode=N25FR&C=Email-Newsletter&U=12P7-10-N25FR&T=342375&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=N25FR&utm_campaign=12P7-10#Offers
[12:28] <clonak> its not moring.
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> was 29.99 yesterday
[12:28] <clonak> its newearl midnigh.t
[12:28] <ReggieUK> clonak, nope it's definitely not moring
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> neat.
[12:28] <ReggieUK> but it is morning
[12:28] <clonak> its nearly midnight
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> Ive been looking for some outdoor kit for a while. it seems stupidly expensive.
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> Timezone fight!
[12:29] <clonak> sorty.
[12:29] <clonak> sorry.
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: water is annoying. It gets everywhere.
[12:29] <ReggieUK> I win because time starts here
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> see: http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws2.jpg and aws1.jpg
[12:29] <clonak> 8 morning.
[12:29] <clonak> *morning.
[12:29] <ReggieUK> and I win because I'm closest to the meridian
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> just getting the moving stuff is expensive - that kit was imported from the US.
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> let me know if the outdoor unit is hackable to talk to an arduino or something...
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> although I might just buy one of those myself - but out of stock )-:
[12:30] <ReggieUK> check your local stores gordonDrogon
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: I'm assuming I'll just wire to the RF reciever, and get the data from that
[12:32] * SpeedEvil arghs.
[12:32] * SpeedEvil wants his nexus 7 too.
[12:32] <clonak> ReggieUK : i wont talk any more. thank you. I can not see strate. steight. </>>/>.?..>
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> First new bit of hardware for a while.
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> if the reciever is hackable, however I have a bunch of other sensors to add to it - another temp. sensor and a sunligh sensor, so being able to connect the outdoor unit to the arduino platform I already have (which has wireless Tx. to a Pi) would be a bonus.
[12:33] <ReggieUK> no stamina, 30 more minutes and you could've won your argument :D
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> Ah )-: That doesn't have wind direction ...
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: you mean you want to hook some other things to the sender?
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[12:34] <SpeedEvil> It doesn't? Meh.
[12:34] * SpeedEvil should read more closely.
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, I want to throw away the sender & display - it's just getting cheap, reasonable quality hardware that we're struggled with.
[12:34] <SpeedEvil> I want to add solar too - IR temperature in 4 directions at least
[12:34] <SpeedEvil> as well, I mean
[12:34] <SpeedEvil> And ideally some measure of direct vs indirect light
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> The unit in: http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws2.jpg - just the 3 sensors - speed, dir. and rain was imported fro the US for (I think) about ?55
[12:36] <dwatkins> I wonder if the council will let me install one on the roof of my block of flats, gordonDrogon ;)
[12:37] <dwatkins> (the building is 120 years old, so probably not)
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[12:40] <gordonDrogon> dwatkins, can you get access?
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[12:42] <gordonDrogon> Hm. coffee needed.
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[12:47] <dwatkins> gordonDrogon: physically, yes - I'm a bit concerned that more people will go up there and dislodge tiles as has happened before when cowboys installed TV aerials, though.
[12:47] <dwatkins> I should probably get them put back properly, but this involves collecting the cost from each of the tennants as well.
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> shared access is always an issue...
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> I'm lucky in that I own the house - however it's more the double the age of yours :)
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> Gah. just accidentalyl turned my keyboard over looking for something.
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> now where's the portable dyson when you need it )-:
[13:04] <ReggieUK> keyboard fluff everywhere
[13:06] <orac99> need to sleep.... but must wait for raspbian to complete install first
[13:08] <steveccc> orac99: have you tried debian squeeze - is raspbian better?
[13:08] <orac99> is debian squeeze the one off the raspberry site?
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[13:10] <orac99> ah yep, i tried squeeze for about 10 minutes the other day
[13:10] <orac99> no idea if this version is supposed to be better. but i want to try it with quake3
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[13:14] <reider59> Is RTF easy to read on a PC and possibly Mac too?
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> Squeeze is the standard/stable Debian release - yes, off the raspberrypi.org site.
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> RTF? Rich Text Format? It's a MS abomination )-:
[13:15] * gordonDrogon hatses getting winmail.dat files )-:
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[13:15] <reider59> Oh well, sent a Web Page Document too
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[13:16] <gordonDrogon> plain text rules :)
[13:16] <ReggieUK> rtf is very simple to open on windows
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> yes - because it was designed by MS.
[13:16] <reider59> and WordPad too?
[13:17] <ReggieUK> sure I wasn't arguing with you gordonDrogon, just answering reider59's initial question, once we'd got past the 'who's os and formats are the bestest' stuff :D
[13:17] <reider59> thx reggie, they have aweek to comment. Just had to get the documents out within 48 hours of the meeting
[13:17] <reider59> *a week
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[13:27] <gordonDrogon> I always try to use the lowest common denominator when sending documents - PDF is farily well recieved, so all my stuff that I send out (accounts, quots, etc.) is as a PDF.
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[13:27] <gordonDrogon> genrated from LaTeX, of-course ;-)
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[13:28] <ReggieUK> yeah but you're a well trained code warrior ;)
[13:28] <ReggieUK> with years of experience
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> aka boring old fart ;-)
[13:28] <mm0zct> I think I'm missing out on the start of this, but I always send a pdf copy when I'm sending a document (as well as perhaps another file type, depending on where it's going)
[13:29] <ReggieUK> I'm guessing if reider59 had to ask, then he plainly isn't
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[13:29] <mm0zct> openoffice/libreoffice and new versions of word export to pdf, and there's always things like cutepdf printer
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> yea, I've use OO and LO too.
[13:30] <nid0> depending on your usage requirements, there're also approximately eleventy billion script packages for every language under the sun to generate pdfs
[13:30] <ReggieUK> can't remember the last time I had to send a document to anyone
[13:30] <mm0zct> for writing stuff like papers/dissertations I like using lyx
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[13:30] <gordonDrogon> the output of Latex just looks nicer to me though - but then I did study typography for a short while onceuponatime - I had a job whereby I had to write an implementation of troff/nroff from scratch...
[13:31] <mm0zct> lyx uses latex as a back end
[13:31] <mm0zct> and supports inline latex code
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[13:31] <gordonDrogon> mm0zct, does it? I thought it was TeX... what I'd like to see is away to get LyX to save an entire document in LaTeX format (but I've not looked that deeply at it - it was too slow for my last workstation)
[13:32] <mm0zct> it's just easier on the eyes than a screen full of latex formatting, when it can be easily abstracted
[13:32] <mm0zct> I think it's TeXlive or whatever is the latexlike package thesedays
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> latex is a steep learning curve - but I started some 20+ years ago...
[13:32] <reider59> lol Not a lot of experience but I do know I`m working with some older people, some have Mac, a few struggle using a mouse, some are thick as pig doings and I need to cover the odds. The next time I`ll know how better to cater to them. I`m just adding the same details to a private section of the club forum. Only one of them keeps having a problem with this. The thick as doodah one who keeps putting his email addy in instead o
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> amazing to think I was doing it on Sun workstations with 4MB of RAM!!!
[13:33] <mm0zct> but it exports to latex, and it's relatively clean unless you've been messing around turning formating on and off sections
[13:33] <reider59> he demands caps in his user name and password, frequently missed them out then swears blind it`s the forum at fault
[13:34] <mm0zct> I compiled my dissertation on my phone (LaTeX export from lyx), that felt like living in the future
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[13:46] <gordonDrogon> mm0zct, android phone?
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[13:49] <aaa801> still building lfs..
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> Linux from Scratch? On a Pi?
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> If so, then wow... good luck!
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> How does LFS differ from Gentoo?
[13:51] <aaa801> ye
[13:52] <aaa801> just downloading the pi's kernel src atm
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> which kernel?
[13:52] <aaa801> using a debian for pi chroot as the host arch
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[13:52] <aaa801> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> ok
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> not actually compiling on the Pi then?
[13:53] <aaa801> no
[13:53] <aaa801> thatd take forever
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> was just wondering if you were using bootc's kernel...
[13:54] <aaa801> what are the differences?
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> 3.2 vs. 3.1
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> plus (I think) the I2C and SPI drivers...
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi2 3.2.21+ #2 PREEMPT Thu Jun 28 15:56:37 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[13:56] <mervaka> bootc collins?
[13:56] <aaa801> gordonDrogon https://github.com/bootc/linux
[13:56] <aaa801> that it
[13:56] <aaa801> ?
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> yes
[13:56] <aaa801> i might use that then, as lfs is based on kernel 3.2.6
[13:57] <aaa801> i hate my slow internet
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> http://www.bootc.net/
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> how slow?
[13:57] <aaa801> < 500kbs
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> ah, that is sort of slow. Living in Ruralistan ?
[13:58] <aaa801> nope england..
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> yea, ruralistan... I live in ruralistan too.
[13:59] <mervaka> *cough* 38meg
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> fortunately I'm under a mile from my towns exchange and get 8Mb.
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> our exchange is rumoured to be getting 2+ this year sometimes.
[14:00] <mm0zct> gordonDrogon: N900
[14:00] <mervaka> once you guys get VDSL your criticsl distwnce will only be to the cabinet.
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> Oh - 3G??
[14:00] <zgreg> VDSL is crap
[14:00] <mervaka> critical*
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, yea, right. I live in Devon ...
[14:00] <zgreg> VDSL requires a lot of effort and money to get going, for only mediocre results
[14:00] <zgreg> FTTH is where it's at
[14:01] <mervaka> indeed, but thats what BT are rolling out :/
[14:01] <zgreg> same here with various ISPs in germany
[14:02] <zgreg> only last year they started planning FTTH
[14:02] <mervaka> then saw the outlsy costs and ran a mile?
[14:02] <zgreg> it's incredibly stupid, even newly built houses only have copper
[14:02] <mervaka> outlay*
[14:02] <nid0> well, bt are at least starting on the pay-to-get-upgraded FTTH for exchanges/cabinets theyre upgrading
[14:02] <zgreg> mervaka: why?
[14:03] <zgreg> VDSL has the same "problem"
[14:03] <mervaka> my mate's house missed out on VDSL because his house didnt exist when te rollout planning was done :/
[14:04] <mervaka> zgreg: its a lot more infrastructure, though less nodes as you say
[14:04] <nid0> at least in the uk most new builds for the past while have been getting fibre laid from the outset, thankfully
[14:04] <nid0> even though the exchanges theyre hooked up to arent upgraded yet :<
[14:04] <zgreg> the deutsche telekom uses outdoor DSLAMs and these obviously also need fiber connections
[14:04] <mervaka> though bt are using passive wavesplits now for fibre
[14:05] <zgreg> only the last hundred meters or so are still copper
[14:05] <mervaka> zgreg: same er in the uk
[14:05] <mervaka> here*
[14:05] <mm0zct> corrently getting ~ 25-45Mbps down and 52Mbps up (peak time), love being in the university :p
[14:05] <mervaka> stupid ipad
[14:05] <mervaka> cant type proper.
[14:05] <zgreg> makes no sense at all to not at least lay the fiber right up into newly built houses
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> FTTH requires even more money than FTTC + VDSL...
[14:06] <mervaka> i can remember when i was at school. me and a friend were planning to run cat5 in the sewer between houses
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> my house is fed overhead from a pole, fed from a cabinet about 100m away.
[14:07] <mm0zct> haha, one of my friends has the flat directly above mine, we can make do with cat5 out the window. the wifi isn't really reliable through the floor
[14:07] <mervaka> and wirelessly using CB radio
[14:07] <mervaka> lol
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[14:08] <mervaka> my cabling is s bit stupid. it starts at the top of my hill, goes past my house, then we come off a junction further down te road
[14:08] <mervaka> the*
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> I still maintain that what would be better is lower contention rations than a top speed number.
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[14:09] <mervaka> yeah, definitely
[14:09] <mervaka> tell virgin that though, lol
[14:09] <mervaka> sucks to be on cable
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[14:09] <mervaka> especially in plymouth
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> yea - I know people on their 100Mb service who's service slows to a craw at busy times...
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough I was just about to mention Plymouth!!!
[14:09] <nid0> its ok, virgin are at least limiting increased problems with contention by not bothering to cable any new areas like, ever
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, you in the SW too?
[14:10] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: its notorious
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> hang on - yes you are - conwal...doh.
[14:10] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: we established this :)
[14:10] <mervaka> truro
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> yea, brain like a sieve...
[14:10] <mervaka> though i commute to plymouth to uni
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> daily???
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[14:10] <mervaka> at least next year i will
[14:10] <mervaka> yeah
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> that's hard work - although I guess a train pass would make it easier..
[14:11] <mervaka> 9-5
[14:11] <mervaka> yep, season tickets
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> student or staff?
[14:11] <mervaka> student
[14:11] <aaa801> if i was at home id be getting 60mpbs
[14:11] <aaa801> :3
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> ok. at least Plymouth still seem to do Comp. Sci ...
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[14:12] <gordonDrogon> yea, cornwall got stupids amount of money to give to... BT )-:
[14:12] <mervaka> having a year out this year though
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:12] <nid0> cornwall gets all the new trials :(
[14:12] <mervaka> plymouth have a good elec dept
[14:12] <mervaka> thats where im at
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> you doing E&EE ?
[14:12] <mervaka> yup
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> That was my first degree choice all those years ago... but I was seduced by another uny to do computing...
[14:13] <mervaka> all the hardware and low level programming :)
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Know an Ellie Raw?
[14:14] * aaa801 superglues mervaka to the roof
[14:14] <mervaka> never too late, theres a guy in my year in his 50s
[14:14] <mervaka> nope
[14:14] <mervaka> though there are one or two girls i dont know
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> ok. she's taking a year out too - working for a local company I do some sysadmin for.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> doing E&EE @ Plymouth.
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[14:14] <mervaka> lanky ginger girl?
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I knoe a chap called Chris doing E&EE (I think) in his 50's at Plymouth...
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[14:15] <mervaka> not sure
[14:15] <mervaka> the chap i know is Gerhard Jacobs
[14:15] <mervaka> very very focussed guy
[14:15] <mervaka> south african
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> Hm. tallish, bu she's not a pond, that's for sure.
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[14:16] <mervaka> come say hello at the FMP show next year
[14:17] <mervaka> ill have whatever my project is on display :)
[14:17] <aaa801> i want to go college for programming, but none of the colleges do it around here :(
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> I'll be doing down there to help mentor for the YRS thing in August.
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[14:18] <mervaka> ah cool
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[14:19] <sundar_> hi all
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[14:19] <aaa801> HALLO
[14:19] <aaa801> :p
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> What Ho!
[14:19] <sundar_> glad to be just part of the raspberry pi family
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[14:20] <sundar_> just got my pi!
[14:20] * aaa801 grabs the initation batton and chases sundar
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[14:20] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[14:20] <aaa801> :o
[14:20] <aaa801> i have 3
[14:20] * IT_Sean peers in
[14:20] <aaa801> :L
[14:20] <IT_Sean> Morning everyone.
[14:20] <aaa801> eek a op, run away
[14:20] <mm0zct> 'afternoon
[14:20] <aaa801> ^
[14:20] <sundar_> am having trouble with USB keyboard
[14:20] <mm0zct> it's not logitech is it?
[14:21] <sundar_> i've burned the arch-linux image
[14:21] <aaa801> sundar_ is it a normal keyboard or does it have lights and stuff
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[14:21] <sundar_> it has lights
[14:21] <aaa801> my pi shits itself when i link up my g15
[14:21] <aaa801> protip, get a DECENT powered hub
[14:21] <sundar_> for num lock and caps lock it has got lights
[14:21] <aaa801> unlike my ??2 powered hub that leaves signal noise on the data lines >_<
[14:21] <IT_Sean> aaa801. Correction. It poos itself. Language please. :p
[14:21] <mm0zct> sundar_: those don't count
[14:21] <aaa801> :<
[14:21] <IT_Sean> Thanks. :)
[14:22] <mervaka> speaking of poo, bbl
[14:22] <sundar_> my power supply seems to be fine as per the triuble shooting guide
[14:22] <aaa801> i can plug my wifi usb into my powered hub and it starts flashing without even being pluged
[14:22] <aaa801> ssh into the pi
[14:22] <aaa801> and dmesg when u plug the usb key
[14:23] <sundar_> the sd card from kingston seems to be fine too. i get a login screen on my monitor but i get continous loads of stack traces when i plugin my usb keyboard
[14:23] <aaa801> is your keyboard just a bog standard?
[14:24] <sundar_> bog standard?
[14:24] <aaa801> no macro keys
[14:24] <aaa801> etc
[14:24] <sundar_> its a cheap one from hytech
[14:24] <aaa801> odd
[14:24] <aaa801> whats the stack trace you speak of?
[14:25] <sundar_> a lot of dumps from the kernel. i can't even see it properly
[14:25] <aaa801> ssh in and dmesg
[14:25] <aaa801> also, whats ma is the power supply your using
[14:25] <sundar_> thats where the trouble is. am not having a router at the moment :/
[14:25] <aaa801> aha suckish
[14:25] <aaa801> ma of power adapter?
[14:25] <sundar_> i am using 5v 3A
[14:26] <aaa801> should be more then enough
[14:26] <aaa801> :/
[14:26] <sundar_> also i have a 5v 500ma
[14:26] <aaa801> i run mine on a 1A
[14:26] <sundar_> i read 700ma should be fine
[14:26] <aaa801> however mine runs fine off a usb3 port aswell lol
[14:26] <sundar_> i connected a mouse and it works OK
[14:26] <aaa801> try a different keyboard?
[14:26] <ReggieUK> aaa801, please mind your language and respect the channel rules :)
[14:26] <sundar_> thats what i thought. i've to buy a new one
[14:26] <aaa801> Eah, when did i inaproperiate again :/?
[14:27] <aaa801> ReggieUK?
[14:27] <ReggieUK> pm
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[14:27] <sundar_> does arch linux put a GUI on startup r should i start manually?
[14:28] <aaa801> Arch wont even come with a gui ;P
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> ok - writing a 'wheezy' SD card ..
[14:28] <aaa801> arch is more for when you want to configure everything by hand
[14:28] <sundar_> aah i thought so when the image was a 200mb zip
[14:28] <aaa801> just write the deb image
[14:28] <sundar_> thats downloading now
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[14:29] <Habbie> the riscos link is raspdotted ;)
[14:29] <sundar_> what about serial console? is there any steps available to get an RS232 to those pins avaialble in the header?
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[14:30] <Red-Wrk> Hello :-) Got my Pi finally
[14:30] <Habbie> grats!
[14:30] <Red-Wrk> could any1 please explain how i can setup this scenario: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRqSOjtCuVI
[14:31] <sundar_> Red-Wrk, me too! got it to boot?
[14:31] <aaa801> am i the only one around here with more then 1 pi ?
[14:31] <Red-Wrk> yep :D
[14:31] <sundar_> my bad keyboard is giving me trouble :/
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[14:32] <Habbie> aaa801, most of us are nice enough to make other people happy with extra pi's ;)
[14:32] <sundar_> guys what about the wireless keyboard from logitech. any good?
[14:32] <nid0> aaa801, i've had two for some time
[14:32] <mm0zct> sundar_: fine on the command line, will take out the network if you startx
[14:32] <aaa801> :3
[14:33] <mm0zct> I have a k360, and you'll find that problem mentioned a few times on the forum?
[14:33] <sundar_> mm0zct, you mean i can't get network and X same time?
[14:34] <mm0zct> yes, starting X11 causes the network to fallover
[14:34] <mm0zct> ut;s a usb driver bug I think
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[14:35] <mm0zct> (network is on the usb hub)
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[14:35] <mm0zct> I think the unifying receiver might draw a little too much power at times too
[14:36] <mm0zct> but I managed to play LAN quake3 with my wireless kbd+mouse launching from the command line
[14:36] * gordonDrogon sighs
[14:37] <mm0zct> what did i say?
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> Well Wheezy as supplied by the foundation is rather sucky to start with.
[14:37] <mm0zct> ah, so i didn't spew rubbish today, phew
[14:37] <sundar_> mm0zct, well then i'll have to get one good keyboard! which ones should I go for?
[14:37] <mm0zct> generic Dell seems to work for me
[14:37] <aaa801> sundar
[14:37] <aaa801> please try your keyboard on the debian image
[14:37] <mm0zct> your standard office keyboard
[14:38] <dwatkins> yeah, my keyboard is a generic Dell one
[14:38] <sundar_> what about logitech/microsoft?
[14:38] <mm0zct> but yeah, try the keyboard on another distro first
[14:38] <aaa801> listen boyo
[14:38] <Red-Wrk> could any1 please explain how i can setup this scenario (VNC Viewer on Pi): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRqSOjtCuVI
[14:38] <aaa801> ;P
[14:38] * aaa801 dangles sundar out the window
[14:38] <aaa801> red-wrk, cba to open video, you want to know how to install vnc on debian ?
[14:38] <NucWin> ASDA ??5 keyboard ftw
[14:38] <aaa801> apt-get install vnc
[14:38] <sundar_> mm0zct, ok. i'll try with debian and see if it kernel panics there too
[14:38] <mm0zct> apt-get install vnc-viewer?
[14:38] <aaa801> ye
[14:38] <aaa801> prety much
[14:39] <mm0zct> i can't remember if synaptic is on there by default
[14:39] <mm0zct> new users might find that easier
[14:39] <aaa801> eww
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, Ha. I have a Tesco ?4.95 keyboard ;-)
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[14:40] * aaa801 is still waiting for the kernel to download
[14:41] <NucWin> gordonDrogon which layout are the home end keys etc 3 accross or 2
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, 3 x 2
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> it's identical in layout to my normal keyboard with the addition of "multimedia" keys above the F-Keys.
[14:42] <NucWin> ooh the asda one is 2 across 3 down which annoys me
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> yea, that would annoy me in a full-size keyboard.
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[14:43] <NucWin> its power usage is nice and low though
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> it does ocassionally suffer from the auto-repeat issue, but I'm not convinced thats an issue with the Pi - cound be the keyboard.
[14:43] <Red-Wrk> aaa801: no its strange.. i dont know how to setup... the raspberry is connected to a hugh LCD Tv.. via HDMI and i want to share my desktop on the TV via the raspberry..
[14:43] <Red-Wrk> aaa801: do i have to run tightvnc server on raspberry or just viewer?
[14:43] <mm0zct> gordonDrogon: I get auto repeat on the Dell and Logitech ocasionally
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> Hm. maybe it is the Pi then.
[14:44] <mm0zct> (with the Pi only)
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[14:44] * gordonDrogon apt-get upgrades wheezy ...
[14:45] <NucWin> lol i get auto repeat in games on my desktop sometimes
[14:45] <NucWin> the dude just keeps walking untill i press the buttons loads
[14:45] <NucWin> or side stepping into a rain of bullets
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> the setup script in wheezy completely failed to work for me - is that known?
[14:45] <sundar_> my keyboard has some issues. just checked with my pc. no wonder why the pi didn't like it
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> a-ha... :)
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> the tiny keyboard I bought initially has been great - it's just ... small!
[14:46] <NucWin> omg its been >2weeks since ive played a pc game.
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> with keys in really weird places.
[14:46] <NucWin> <3 RPi
[14:47] <mm0zct> gordonDrogon: what tiny keyboard is this?
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[14:47] <NucWin> i was looking at those little wireless keyboard with trackpad and ir controls for tv on other side
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> http://linitx.com/product/10838
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, those are far too small!!!
[14:48] * yorick_ is now known as yorick
[14:48] <NucWin> but taking a pi to my friends is a bit of a mission when i need to take a full sized keyboard
[14:48] <lrvick> it is finished: http://i.imgur.com/XS4yj.jpg
[14:48] <NucWin> might aswell just take the laptop instead
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, ah.. you built that? How is the display wired up?
[14:49] <mm0zct> lrvick: do you not have any problems with your logitech devices?
[14:50] <NucWin> Pi + Raspbmc let me down last night too. had taken Eureka 720p to my friends and it would not play smooth was getting black cutouts
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[14:51] <booyaa> NucWin: you try olec?
[14:51] <booyaa> oelc can't remember what it's called again
[14:51] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: directly to the GPIO pins.
[14:51] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: 8 pins total. just enough left for my sereial terminal to the DB9 on the side
[14:52] <NucWin> booyaa i did before my sd cards arrive but didnt seem to like my friends class10 card
[14:52] <NucWin> might give it another go now i have 8GB class 4 to play with
[14:52] <mm0zct> forgot to say nice build first :p I've been having not so much fun with the gpio
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, so standard 4-bit parallel interface?
[14:52] <lrvick> yeah
[14:52] <lrvick> nibblez
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[14:52] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, neat. I did this yesterday: http://unicorn.drogon.net/pilcd.jpg
[14:53] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: its a $10 3.3v LCD in a modified adafruit case cut on my labs laser cutter
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> although that's a 5V device, but it's OK powered at 5V with the GPIOs at 3.3v ...
[14:53] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: nice! good to know. we have TONs of 5v lcds laying around
[14:53] <lrvick> never thought to try one
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> I just don't do any reading of the device - R/W is tied to ground...
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/lcd-interface/
[14:54] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: my wiring: http://dumpon.us/367.jpg
[14:54] <lrvick> ^_^
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[14:54] <lrvick> added some hot glue, but yeah. gets the job done
[14:54] <NucWin> ummm i want one of those screens :P
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[14:55] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: you code a driver in c or python?
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> C.
[14:55] <drazyl> visual basic
[14:55] <mm0zct> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/74HC125.REV0.PDF http://www.conrad-uk.com/ce/en/product/164356/74-HC-125-DIP
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> not sure whether to turn it into a proper driver and make it part of wiringPi or not...
[14:55] <lrvick> NucWin: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007LO3Y9W
[14:56] <mm0zct> I've ordered some of those to deal with IO to 5V and 2.5V logic
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> I figured I was safe to use the 5V devices as long as I tied the R/W line to 0v.
[14:56] <mm0zct> I'm talking to 2.5V logic that's not 3.3V tolerant, but it has the bonus that I can use them the other way round to connect 5V logic to the Pi
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> however I have 2 conflicting data sheets for it - one say logic one is @ 2.7v the other 80% of the 5V supply...
[14:57] <lrvick> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/w12jh/modified_adafruit_case_design_with_lcd/ just did some reddit baiting
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> I have a 12864 bit graphic screen I might play with next.
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> 128x64 dots.
[14:57] <NucWin> ooh screens are ??10 nice
[14:58] <mm0zct> http://proto-pic.co.uk/monochrome-128x32-oled-graphic-display/ like that?
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> I could... just could ... make my BASIC work on one of the 128x16 screens with a mini keyboard....
[14:58] <NucWin> now to pick the colour
[14:58] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: yeah, good to know s like i say we hav eplenty laying around, though with the 3.3v being so cheap that should surely be the default reccomendation.
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[14:58] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, I have the 5V oles left over from various Arduino projects.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> *ones.
[14:59] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: yeah, lot of people do. We have a stack of them from our lab. when I blog this ill be sure to mention your 5v solution
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> ta.
[14:59] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: but please gist your code :-)
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> gist?
[14:59] <lrvick> gist.github.com
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> oh. no. I own my own servers. the code will be on them.
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[15:00] <lrvick> or yeah, link it in your post. whatever works.
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/gpioExamples/lcd.tgz
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[15:00] <lrvick> However i tend to like to maintain credit where credit is due, so version control allows me to fork the code
[15:00] <NucWin> gordonDrogon git ftw
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[15:00] <lrvick> without you losing credit
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> it's not complete, just a quick hack to make it work, but I may develop it more.
[15:01] <joeka> hello!
[15:01] <lrvick> quick published hacks are where all great projects start
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> I've looked at gitweb to make my own webby front-end, but not had time to get into it yet.
[15:01] <Red-Wrk> where is the xserver config?
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> I ultimately want to put my own code into a berrt version control than I currently have - just time....
[15:01] <Red-Wrk> :D
[15:01] <joeka> does someone know a way to use HDMI CEC on arch on the raspi?
[15:02] <NucWin> Black on Green 3.3V <<-- so its readable wihtout backlight all the others seemed unreadable wihtout backlight
[15:02] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: as long as there is a git repo somewhere I can fork from, ill be a happy panda.
[15:02] <Habbie> joeka, i recall reading that the hardware does not do CEC - but don't trust me on this
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[15:02] <lrvick> NucWin: but the backlights are so cheap and pretty!
[15:03] <NucWin> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alpha-Crucis-Basic-16x2-Character/dp/B008AS4DFC/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1341406459&sr=8-8
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> what I fancy playing with is the Nokia screen clones.
[15:03] <NucWin> or
[15:03] <NucWin> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alpha-Crucis-Basic-16x2-Character/dp/B008AS4D8E/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1341406459&sr=8-7
[15:03] <joeka> Habbie, the hardware does
[15:03] <Habbie> joeka, ignore me, then :)
[15:03] <NucWin> tvservice?
[15:03] <NucWin> ^^^ that for cec?
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/color-breakout-board-p-664.html
[15:04] <reider59> just got my Parrot Df3120 pic frame delivered. So I`ll make that into a monitor in a bit thanks to the link Reggie supplied the other day
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> reider59, you can feed composite into it, or .. ?
[15:05] <NucWin> im not a great fan of the cool components site
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, no - but they sometimes have stuff that the others don't ...
[15:06] <NucWin> they dont seem to have any darlington arrays
[15:06] <reider59> Its to connect up by BT then make a network after changing the pic frame firmware. Then use it with VNC that`s been added to its linux software.
[15:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> grrr what I need a a right angled USB adapeter can only sick out very very small
[15:06] <reider59> ??12.99
[15:06] <NucWin> farnels stock all seems to be in US and want stupid postage
[15:06] <Red-Wrk> how can i install firefox 13
[15:07] <Red-Wrk> on raspberry?
[15:07] <NucWin> rs-online is just expensive for low quantity
[15:07] <magnitux> Rzd-Wrk what your os
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[15:07] <Red-Wrk> debian squeez
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[15:09] <magnitux> http://www.libre-software.net/how-to-install-firefox-on-ubuntu-linux-mint
[15:10] <Red-Wrk> does this work on raspberry?
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[15:10] <gordonDrogon> it's highly unlikely that you'll ever get firefox to install on a Pi.
[15:10] <Joshun> hi
[15:10] <Joshun> does raspi-config come with raspbian
[15:11] <Joshun> or do you have to download it separately
[15:11] <Red-Wrk> gordonDrogon: why? chromium works also
[15:11] <tero> so any ideas what that farnell announcment means?
[15:11] <tero> http://piregistration.element14.com/raspberryPi1.html?ref=lookahead
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> Red-Wrk, works is an intersting term... the reality is that there just isn't enough memory to run a big browser like firefox (or chrome) in an efficient manner.
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[15:12] <Red-Wrk> but chromium works just fine.. it fits my needs.. but need firefox.. have some css settings only working ith firefox
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[15:12] <Joshun> firefox would use up too much cpu being a single-process browser
[15:12] <Joshun> and it uses gecko which uses more resources than webkit
[15:13] <mervaka> why would you want more than one twb open on a rpi?
[15:13] <mervaka> tab*
[15:13] <Joshun> why wouldn't you
[15:13] <mervaka> its beyond it scope..
[15:13] <Joshun> we're not in the 1990's anymore
[15:13] <Red-Wrk> i just want 1 tab
[15:13] <Habbie> being single-process is not actually an interesting distinction
[15:13] <reider59> Closing for July 4th celebrations maybe, then reopening but without reservation.
[15:13] <Red-Wrk> just with firefox
[15:13] <mervaka> Joshun: its an embedded device, not a pc
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> face reality guys ... yes, we want tabs, windows, fancy graphics, but the reality is that it simple can't be done in an efficient manner.
[15:13] <Joshun> embedded devices still run multiple tabs
[15:13] <mervaka> ..
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, I'd say it is a "PC", but a very limited one...
[15:14] <mervaka> barely
[15:14] <ReggieUK> not all embedded devices run multiple tabs
[15:14] <mervaka> to me, its a very accessible, embedded platform
[15:14] <Joshun> even opera on my ancient samsung phone can do it
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest a device can't be called 'embedded' if it can run a browser...
[15:14] <ReggieUK> go for it, port opera :)
[15:15] <ReggieUK> make it work
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> I don't consider my HTC Desire Z to be an embedded device.
[15:15] <Joshun> why would i want to run opera
[15:15] <NucWin> i might have to drop an email see if they will build opera mobile for pi
[15:15] <Joshun> the only reason i used it was because there wasn't a firefox port
[15:15] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: it could be for presentations, solely to run a single page?
[15:15] <ReggieUK> for the tabs you desire
[15:15] <mervaka> etc
[15:15] <`z> got highlighted again
[15:15] <`z> aaaaaaaaaa
[15:15] <mervaka> lol
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, sure - but is midori up for that?
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[15:16] <mervaka> i guess my EEE background sways my interpretations from everyone elses expectations for a consumerey sort of device
[15:17] <Habbie> your Everyone Elses Expectations background? ;)
[15:17] <mervaka> so many people ask too much
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[15:17] <mervaka> Habbie: probably :)
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> Yea, gimmie venus onna stick...
[15:18] <mervaka> i have friend who bought one, then were like derp, what do i do with it?
[15:18] <mervaka> friends*
[15:18] <mervaka> they looked at xbmc quickly, thrn ebayed them
[15:19] <Habbie> assholes
[15:19] <Habbie> excuse my language
[15:19] <ReggieUK> mind your language
[15:19] <mervaka> not sure whe im going with that..
[15:19] <mervaka> where*
[15:19] <Joshun> how do you get xmbc running btw
[15:19] <Joshun> i couldn't find an image that actually worked
[15:19] <NucWin> joeka openelec or raspbmc
[15:19] <mervaka> Joshun: :(
[15:20] <NucWin> oops joeka -> Joshun
[15:20] <Joshun> there are no links on raspbmc
[15:20] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: got any experience with eCos?
[15:20] <NucWin> windows exe that installs image
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[15:21] <NucWin> http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/windows-installation/ <---- click the "here"
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[15:21] <Joshun> oh a python installer
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[15:21] <Joshun> if someone uses linux i would have thought they would know how to use dd
[15:21] <NucWin> just downloads .img then puts it on sd card for you
[15:21] <mervaka> Joshun: lots of new linux users here
[15:21] <frankivo> which is good
[15:21] <Joshun> yeah
[15:21] <mervaka> yes
[15:21] <NucWin> there is linux script file too
[15:22] <Joshun> it expands the userbase
[15:22] <NucWin> other options is to built it on arch or soemthing
[15:22] <Joshun> is there not just a plain .img file for raspbmc
[15:22] <mervaka> the more people we can educate about using a shell, too..
[15:22] <NucWin> build*
[15:22] <phuss> where can i buy one?
[15:22] <joeka> Joshun, NucWin, I'm trying to build it for arch, wish me luck
[15:22] <joeka> :D
[15:22] <mm0zct> phuss: a RPi?
[15:22] <phuss> mm0zct: yep
[15:23] <mm0zct> RSComponents or Farnell/Element14, but there is a waiting list
[15:23] <Joshun> joeka - good luck. not sure how you would optimise it for hardware decoding though
[15:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://uk.farnell.com/raspberry-pi
[15:24] <joeka> Joshun, yeah probably won't work that easy
[15:25] <NucWin> joeka see you in a month
[15:25] <Joshun> lol
[15:25] <Joshun> as long as you haven't irced in from the pi itself
[15:26] <Joshun> has anyone tested the xmbc python installer btw?
[15:27] <Joshun> how do i know its safe and won't pick the wrong device
[15:27] <joeka> NucWin, at least there is a PKGBUILD already http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3004
[15:27] <Joshun> like /dev/sda for instance
[15:27] <joeka> btw. distcc is awesome
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[15:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> fudge and stuff ... just had a perforce proxy die on me .....
[15:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> 2Tb of data no nolonger acessable
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[15:29] <Matt> handy
[15:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> I may be some time ....
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[15:30] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, never heard of eCos - sorry.
[15:31] <NucWin> i want grub so i can dual boot arch and risc
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, I wromt my own tiny real-time scheduller for microcontrollers a while back - keep meaning to publish it, but just not making the time to...
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[15:33] <Joshun> there must be a way of getting the firmware to chainload grub/lilo
[15:34] <Joshun> NucWin - you could write a bash script to pick between arch or risc, and load in the kernel via kexec accordingly
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[15:37] <ReggieUK> if you want to dual boot, use uboot
[15:37] <ReggieUK> it's not difficult
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[15:37] <ReggieUK> no need to wait for grub
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[15:37] <Joshun> you have to have serial or something though don't you
[15:37] <ReggieUK> no
[15:38] <Joshun> or does it just output to display
[15:38] <ReggieUK> not sure if they've sorted that part out yet
[15:38] <Joshun> otherwise it could get rather complicated for most users
[15:38] <ReggieUK> but it's simple enough to use gpio to tell it which kernel to load
[15:39] <Joshun> that would need additional equipment
[15:39] <Joshun> compatible cables, switches etc.
[15:39] <Joshun> but once set up it would be good
[15:39] <ReggieUK> 'compatible cables', you mean like hookup wire?
[15:39] <mm0zct> or jumpers
[15:39] <Joshun> yeah
[15:40] <Joshun> although an ide cable may do i suppose
[15:40] <ReggieUK> but for grub to be useful, you'd need screen, keyboard drivers wouldn't you? as it's pre-linux
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[15:40] <Joshun> how well is grub supported
[15:41] <ReggieUK> and I'm guessing that screen drivers would be more likely with uboot than grub because someone is actually working on uboot?
[15:41] <Joshun> i'm sure most new users wouldn't have a clue where to start with uboot
[15:41] <ReggieUK> and it doesn't have to be serial to connect to uboot either
[15:41] <ReggieUK> networking
[15:41] <Joshun> does it have a http server
[15:41] <ReggieUK> and why would they have a clue about grub either then?
[15:41] <markllama> Hell old users wouldn't know where to start with uboot :-)
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[15:42] <Joshun> grub is easier - selection of options etc.
[15:42] <Joshun> even has a script for os detection
[15:42] <RaYmAn> grub for arm isn't really that useful afaik
[15:42] <Joshun> but getting it to work on the rpi would be hard
[15:42] <markllama> the real reason I'd want grub (or an addition to uboot) would be PXE
[15:42] <ReggieUK> uboot does network booting
[15:42] <NucWin> i was going to see if it was possible to put grub into an .img file but will look into uboot too
[15:42] <markllama> network boot != PXE
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[15:43] <Joshun> would you need another arm device to do network boot
[15:43] <markllama> there are several paths to getting the effect you want. Adding PXE to uboot is one, chain loading pxelinux or grub
[15:44] <markllama> you need something listening for DHCP broadcast requests and TFTP file requests.
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[15:46] <markllama> much of what is needed for PXE is already in uboot. It can configure an interface via DHCP and pull a kernel and initrd via TFTP
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[15:47] <ReggieUK> exactly
[15:47] <Joshun> this is much easier to use than uboot: http://www.plop.at/en/plopkexec.html
[15:47] <Joshun> and supports chainloading kernels
[15:47] <ReggieUK> so you've used it on teh pi then?
[15:47] <Joshun> but you would have to build it from scratch
[15:47] <Joshun> which would require a compatible kernel
[15:47] <ReggieUK> so you really have no idea whether it works
[15:47] <markllama> all it needs to do is get the server, kernel and initrd filenames and kernel args from the DHCP response.
[15:48] <Joshun> well in theory it should work
[15:48] <Joshun> the source code is available
[15:48] <ReggieUK> hehehehehehe
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[15:48] <markllama> current uboot dhcp boot depends on having the env vars pre-set.
[15:49] <Joshun> what's the easiest way to load a custom kernel on the pi
[15:49] <markllama> copy it onto an SD card
[15:49] <Joshun> and get it to boot
[15:49] <markllama> in the first partition, named ... uKernel? uLinux?
[15:49] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: np, just a shot in the dark :)
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[15:49] <mervaka> might need an rtos for my project
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[15:53] <mm0zct> mervaka: what's the project?
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[16:02] <NucWin> this putting solder on the ends of wires is starting to grow a little old
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon> my rtos is called DROSS - The Drogon Real-time Operating System (Simplified)
[16:03] <mm0zct> how many wires do you have to do?
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[16:04] <gordonDrogon> it's really a task scheduller to get away from the "big loop" type of programming I see arduino folks doing all the time.
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[16:04] <gordonDrogon> so you can create little tasks to do all the grubby work of reading sensors, etc. and let the main program get on with sensible stuff like playing space invaders on the display, etc....
[16:04] <IT_Sean> I'd have called it the Drogon Realtime Auto Task. or DRAT, for short. :p
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[16:05] <mm0zct> our little in house bare metal library has grown into an OS basically
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[16:06] <SpeedEvil> Drogon Interactivity Lightweight Device Organiser.
[16:06] <NucWin> wonder if the compressor will be an effective way to desolder stuff
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:06] <NucWin> if i wear some goggles
[16:06] <NucWin> heat -> fast air
[16:06] <NucWin> i have sucker but they just suck
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, I've desoldered a whol board of components with a blowtorch - heat the back of the board then whack it on a mat...
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[16:07] <NucWin> genious gordonDrogon
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[16:07] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, drat and double drat... maybe v2 might be called dastardly with the mutley upgrade ...
[16:07] <IT_Sean> :p
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[16:10] <sundar_> got it working finally :) got me a logitech wireless keyboard
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[16:10] <sundar_> logitech k260 works fine
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[16:13] <Lartza> What the.. why is raspbmc so buggy and everything :S
[16:13] <Lartza> It stopped booting after the foirst boot, fails to mount filesystems
[16:14] <Lartza> And why don't I have sound on omxplayer?
[16:14] <Lartza> in raspbian
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[16:14] <Lartza> Gosh I've not been able to play 1080p in anything
[16:15] <Lartza> OpenELEC lags and cuts out to black screen every few seconds and stuff :/
[16:15] <mm0zct> the RPi hasn't exactly been out long
[16:15] <Berglund> When one installs the Debian image from the site on a SD-card, it includes UI and stuff. What if I want an image that doesn't contain these packages? Just a pure debian server install? Does such an image exist?
[16:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: DROSS :D haha
[16:15] <Walther> Hi again -I'm just wondering whether others have faced similar issues as I have, wgetting files to usb hdd, sd, or dev zero results in hang
[16:15] <Lartza> Berglund, Chech out the raspbian images
[16:15] <Gadgetoid> Berglund: apt-get remove ?
[16:15] <Lartza> Berglund, Or the wheezy beta
[16:16] <booyaa> Lartza: that's annoying, the video makes it look like it works out of the box
[16:16] <mm0zct> Walther: I think I saw something aobut that on the forum
[16:16] <NucWin> hahah lots of the legs where bent so only got a ic and couple of transistors burnt quite a few resistors lol
[16:16] <Lartza> Berglund, http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianImages
[16:16] <Berglund> Lartza: Thanks!
[16:16] <Berglund> Gadgetoid: Yeah, that's an alternative, just seems easier to install an image where it doesn't exist in the first place :)
[16:17] <Lartza> Berglund, raspbian has an installer too like the debian installer so you can build your own system from kind of scratch
[16:17] <Berglund> Lartza: Seems like a perfect fit for me!
[16:17] <Lartza> raspbmc...
[16:17] <Walther> mm0zct: i've read on it as well, it's rather annoying as i'm planning to use my pi mainly as a home server (samba, backup, etc)
[16:17] <Lartza> It has some terminal stuff on the top of the screen and the video keep spausing and cutting to black
[16:18] <Lartza> openelect worked somewhat better but still horrible...
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[16:18] <Walther> Lartza: what's your RAM division?
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[16:18] <Walther> Lartza: you might want to add more ram for the GPY
[16:18] <Lartza> Walther, raspbmc default
[16:18] <Walther> gpu*
[16:19] <Walther> hnm
[16:19] <Walther> hmm*
[16:19] <Lartza> Walther, Openelec is the openelec default since it uses it's own start.elf for soem reason
[16:19] <Lartza> it is 0,1 megabytes bigger than raspbian ones
[16:19] <Lartza> Let me check the openelec split now that it booted
[16:19] <Lartza> umm actually
[16:20] <Lartza> total memory 120MB
[16:20] <Lartza> so yeah
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[16:22] <Gadgetoid> I neither use the GUI stuff on my Pi, nor notice it's really there??? I guess it depends how small an SD card you want to cram sutff on
[16:23] <Lartza> small audio pops and the playback is bausing every few seconds
[16:24] <Lartza> Playing through upnp/dlna
[16:24] <Gadgetoid> So, the Raspberry Pi isn't a great media centre after all? Funny that...
[16:25] <issyl0> Hi all.
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[16:26] <Lartza> How have people played 1080p on the elec smoothly??
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[16:28] <nid0> just a question, this is H.264 video you're trying to play right?
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[16:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> Lartza by using h.264
[16:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> work fine
[16:29] <Lartza> Does not for me
[16:30] <Lartza> raspbmc is all broken openelec keeps pausing every few seconds
[16:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> audio on HDMI
[16:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> how fast is your SD card
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[16:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> and it's still only in development really ..
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[16:32] <sraue> Lartza, try the last image from here: http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/ it contains a fix... not sure if this fix can help with your issue
[16:32] <Lartza> sraue, Oh I have the 2.7. one yeah...
[16:33] <sraue> i have uploaded 10min ago
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[16:33] <Lartza> To update I just copy over what? SYSTEM and kernel.img?
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[16:34] <camperking> is a 5m hdmi cable to long for the raspberry?
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[16:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> camperking - depends ....
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[16:34] <camperking> with dvi adapter and dvi cable it works
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[16:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> my 3m one works ok
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[16:35] <frankivo> is there such a thing?
[16:35] <frankivo> too long hdmi cable?
[16:35] <Berglund> camperking: I'm running a 5m cable. Works good.
[16:35] <IrquiM> if the monitor is 6m away, it'll be too short! ;) I've got a 5m one on my pi - no problems :)
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> frankivo yes there ccan be - it depends on the quality of the cable wires
[16:35] <frankivo> IrquiM: lmao
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[16:36] <camperking> ok, thanks, i will try to get a shorter one
[16:37] <Arch-RPi> they make a hdmi dongle like thing that uses cat5 to extend to 30m
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[16:37] <gordonDrogon> phew. just made up curry for tea... strong onions. eyes still watering )-:
[16:37] <Arch-RPi> heh
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[16:44] <Lartza> sraue, Hrmpfh
[16:44] <Lartza> Why do you have to be different? ;)
[16:44] <Lartza> KERNEL > kernel.img and now it won't boot
[16:45] <sraue> what is different?
[16:45] <Lartza> OpenELEC ships differently
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I'm just about to reboot Wheezy with my own compiled kernel... Just had a look at the ones they ship:
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16344532 Jun 17 19:33 kernel_emergency.img
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6236668 Jun 17 19:33 kernel.img.wheezy
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4195844 Jun 17 19:33 kernel_cutdown.img
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2405224 Jun 27 15:37 kernel.img
[16:45] <sraue> sure we have a own kernel, OpenELEC is not debian
[16:45] <Lartza> sraue, So what did I do wrong since it doesn't boot?
[16:45] <Lartza> Broken kernel
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> Can't understand how they think the cut-down one is small - it's still double the size of mine!
[16:46] <sraue> Lartza, how you have updated? replacing kernel.img and SYSTEM directly or putting KERNEL and SYSTEm to the update folder?
[16:47] <Lartza> Replacing directly
[16:47] <IT_Sean> WOOT! Thank you xrandr --output S-video --set load_detection 1
[16:47] <relapse> Does anyone know how this ordering is supposed to open up tomorrow?
[16:47] <IT_Sean> SVideo out now owrking on my old laptop D
[16:47] <IT_Sean> :D
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, where did you get the kernel from?
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[16:47] <sraue> Lartza, then check kernel.img and SYSTEM with the md5sum command
[16:47] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Inside the tar under "target" folder
[16:48] <relapse> I was under the impression it was from a list you registered for... now I'm reading it like just anyone can goto the website and order?
[16:48] <sraue> and update the bootloader files found in 3rdparty/bootloader too
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, ah, this is some openelec thing, I presume?
[16:48] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Yes
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, ok - good luck - I know nothing about it other than it's name...
[16:49] <Lartza> sraue, The bootloader ones are from raspbian I think and they worked before
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, but if you want a set of working kernel & system stuff to get you going let me know.
[16:49] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I have raspbian running on another aprtition of the card don't worry ;)
[16:49] <yggdrasil> yo have you guys seen this :
[16:49] <yggdrasil> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/the-punnet-a-raspberry-pi-case-you-can-download-and-print-2012072/
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[16:49] <sraue> Lartza, maybe ours are more uptodate and you should use the ones which comes in our builds
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> yggdrasil, yes - that was done a week ro 2 ago - quite neat!
[16:49] <Lartza> sraue, The filesizes seem to match perfectly so :/
[16:50] <Lartza> But I'll try
[16:50] <yggdrasil> :(
[16:50] <Lartza> sraue, Still just a color splash
[16:50] <sraue> there was some important updates to the bootloaderfiles recently, so its needed you update them too
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[16:51] <Lartza> sraue, I am using your bootcode, start.elf enverything kernel matches md5
[16:51] <Lartza> SYSTEM I didn't check since it should get past the color spalsh I think
[16:51] <Lartza> *splash
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[16:51] <sraue> i will try here in a bit...
[16:51] <yggdrasil> whats the latest
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[16:52] <Lartza> sraue, Okay got it to boot now
[16:52] <sraue> how? :-)
[16:52] <Lartza> I don't know really :D
[16:52] <EiNSTeiN_> did you guys see this: http://www.indiegogo.com/arcol-raspi
[16:53] <booyaa> looks like the one rs are selling
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[16:53] <booyaa> mind you cases all kinda look the same at the mo
[16:54] * booyaa bought a clear one so he could see his leds
[16:54] <EiNSTeiN_> booyaa: that one is anodized aluminium
[16:54] <booyaa> i need der blinken lighst
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[16:54] <Lartza> sraue, Atleast halting is fixed
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[16:54] <Lartza> sraue, I think the 2.7. build just rebooted all the time ;)
[16:54] <Lartza> at least for me
[16:54] <yggdrasil> EiNSTeiN_: thats nice but pricy
[16:55] <booyaa> yeah does it act as a heat sink too?
[16:55] <yggdrasil> that would be prety cool.
[16:55] <yggdrasil> Lartza: what are you guys working on.
[16:55] <booyaa> i like the back light thing
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[16:55] <Lartza> yggdrasil, Trying to fix 1080p playback on my OpenELEC
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[16:55] <yggdrasil> ahh
[16:55] <Lartza> wow
[16:56] <yggdrasil> Lartza: what distro then ? couldnt get video on my composite out
[16:56] <Lartza> 100 Mhz overclock to cpu, gpu and ram makes my pi not bot :S
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> EiNSTeiN_, that looks machines from solid. what a waste. and I can't see what stops it all being shorted out.
[16:57] <yggdrasil> im gonna try my paper one
[16:58] <yggdrasil> if i can get some ink.
[16:58] <Lartza> yggdrasil, Don't know about composite I use HDMI ;)
[16:58] <EiNSTeiN_> gordonDrogon: don't you think arcol thought about not shorting out the solder pads?
[16:58] <yggdrasil> what distro ?
[16:58] <yggdrasil> Lartza: what distro ?
[16:58] <Lartza> yggdrasil, OpenELEC
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[16:58] <yggdrasil> ok
[16:58] <Lartza> yggdrasil, And raspbian
[16:59] <Lartza> I use those two
[16:59] <yggdrasil> which is better ?
[16:59] <Lartza> Tried wheezy, squeeze and archarm too
[16:59] <yggdrasil> i was using openelec
[16:59] <Lartza> yggdrasil, OpenELEC is XBMC raspbian is not
[16:59] <yggdrasil> hmm
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[16:59] <Lartza> raspbmc didn't work at all for me that is XBMC + Debian
[16:59] <yggdrasil> openelec looked pretty dam cool.
[16:59] <yggdrasil> it just freaked out once i tried to play vid
[16:59] <yggdrasil> got everything else working .
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[17:00] <ReggieUK> Raspbian = debian + hard float
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[17:00] <frankivo> hmm
[17:00] <frankivo> what the
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[17:01] <Lartza> ReggieUK, You going somewhere with that? :)
[17:01] <RITRedbeard> in gdb, is there a way to check how much space a given stack frame occupies?
[17:02] <ReggieUK> which would probably be the best basis for future media based distros
[17:02] <Lartza> sraue, Still pauses...
[17:02] <Lartza> It could be that OpenELEC is not buffering enough but not sure
[17:02] <Lartza> On XBMC4Xbox there are settings to increase buffers but I can't find them on this
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[17:03] <Lartza> sraue, There are less problems now but...
[17:04] <sraue> Lartza, would be nice if you can report the issue here: https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/issues?milestone=10&page=1&state=open if its not already there, so it will be noticed from the XBMC devs
[17:04] <sraue> but...?
[17:04] <Lartza> Audio has some pops still those haven't become less
[17:04] <Lartza> Video pauses at times but 5 times less than before iverclock and update
[17:05] <sraue> ^^^ and paste a xbmc.log with enabled debugging there too
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[17:05] <sraue> Lartza, in this builds we have included a experimental audio patch, maybe this makes some trouble, you should report this too
[17:05] <Lartza> sraue, It popped on 2.7. too
[17:05] <Lartza> ?
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[17:06] <sraue> the 2.7 build is nearly the same, except of one fix for videos
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[17:07] <Lartza> wow the GUI is so much smoother with overclock :)
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> EiNSTeiN_, I've no idea - I'd like to think it was all sorted, but it just looked like the board was being dropped into the case with no insulation to me.
[17:08] <EiNSTeiN_> gordonDrogon: I see elevated screw holes on the bottom. the board rest on those
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[17:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah running my RPi at 300Mhz underclocking FTW
[17:11] <Lartza> RaTTuS|BIG, Why? :D
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[17:11] <gordonDrogon> EiNSTeiN_, well I'm sure it's fine then.
[17:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> see how low it can go .... - this one has a specific low watt usage
[17:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> 150 is slow to boot ..... but getting there
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[17:13] <ReggieUK> Lartza, why not?
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[17:13] <Lartza> True ;)
[17:13] <ReggieUK> if you don't need all 700Mhz, why use it?
[17:14] <Lartza> Currently I am trying to get the most I can :P
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[17:14] <ReggieUK> :)
[17:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's happy at 900, 950 was a bit unstablke but since then I've added heatsinks
[17:15] <booyaa> is running speed available in logs or /proc?
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[17:15] <booyaa> it's not the bogomips in /proc/cpuinfo?
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[17:16] <Kooothor> hey guys, do you know if it's possible to buy a second one yet ?
[17:16] <aaa801> i have 3
[17:16] <frankivo> lol
[17:16] <aaa801> best way is to just sign up for a few companys lists
[17:16] <aaa801> ;)
[17:17] <Lartza> GPU at 500MHz?
[17:17] <Lartza> Definetly
[17:18] <Lartza> now at 900/500/500
[17:18] * aaa801 is slowly turning into a skelton while waiting for ythe kernel to compile on a atom
[17:18] <Lartza> sorry sdram is 450
[17:18] <aaa801> meh my pi runs stable at 1ghz :3
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[17:18] <Lartza> There
[17:18] <Lartza> Mine stops booting with sdram at 500
[17:19] <aaa801> :(
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[17:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> aaa801 I also have 3
[17:19] <relapse> and here I am just hoping to get one :P
[17:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> get in the queue
[17:20] <aaa801> :o, il have to get another one :<
[17:20] <relapse> I did...
[17:20] <aaa801> if i get another queue code il send one this way
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[17:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> my last one was ordered 3rd april
[17:20] <Lartza> And I get visible image corruption with GPU at 550 ;)
[17:20] <lrvick> Forgive me for a dumb question but I don't know much about caps terminology. Is 220uF and 220mu the same thing?
[17:20] <relapse> Gotcha... I don't think they actually registered me into the queue
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[17:22] <ReggieUK> lrvick, where are you seeing a cap described with mu?
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[17:22] <ReggieUK> did you mean mF?
[17:23] <Lartza> kernel panic \o/
[17:23] <ReggieUK> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/milli-farad#English
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, I used to compile x86 kernels on Atoms without too much problems - it was long, but under 20 miuntes IIRC.
[17:23] <ReggieUK> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/micro-farad#English
[17:23] <Lartza> seems too much overclock :D
[17:24] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, im compiling the pi kernel in a chroot, in a vmware, on winxp
[17:24] <aaa801> might take a little longer
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, so somewhat slugged :)
[17:24] <aaa801> ye
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[17:24] <Lartza> How can I cross-compile for raspbian from VirtualBox?
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, uF is microfarads typically. mu? I don't know, probably microFarads too.
[17:24] <aaa801> :( if i was at home i could prob compile it in less then 30mins ;P
[17:25] <Lartza> Compiling on Pi takes ages so :/ And from time to time fails...
[17:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> 100mhz runs OK ... a bit on the chggy side but the power drop is minimal .,.,., need a better power meter
[17:25] <lrvick> uF nvm im good
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, sunce uF is really ??F and ?? is the greek letter Mu.
[17:26] <Lartza> It won't boot :S
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[17:26] <Lartza> I get past the everything but XBMC won't start with this overclock
[17:26] <aaa801> did u overvolt?
[17:26] <Lartza> No
[17:26] <RITRedbeard> Does Pi's Broadcom have dvfs?
[17:27] <Lartza> I am at 950/500/450
[17:27] <Lartza> Beyond 450 sdram it won't boot anymore so :/
[17:27] <aaa801> overvolt might help :/
[17:27] <ReggieUK> but will void warranty
[17:27] <Lartza> Yeah
[17:27] <aaa801> but its ??25 =/
[17:27] <booyaa> yeah with waiting list
[17:27] <Lartza> aaa801, But it's so prettyyy :/
[17:27] <aaa801> indeeds
[17:27] <RITRedbeard> void how if it is digital?
[17:27] <aaa801> :p
[17:27] * markllama was going to mention the time..
[17:28] <Tachyon> at 25 quid it doesn't really matter if it voids the warranty
[17:28] <Tachyon> but the waiting
[17:28] <aaa801> it flips a bit on the soc i believe
[17:28] <booyaa> RITRedbeard: there's a switch on the soc that they can tell if you do it
[17:28] <booyaa> what aaa801 said
[17:28] <aaa801> *grabs jtag*
[17:28] <aaa801> mwuhahaha
[17:28] <Tachyon> heh
[17:28] <ReggieUK> but 'it's only ??25' is really only relevant if you have a spare ??25 to buy another one (ignoring the availability)
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[17:28] <booyaa> seriously you could do that using jtag?
[17:28] <aaa801> depends
[17:28] <Tachyon> you can do a lot of things using jtag
[17:28] <RITRedbeard> no I mean dvfs
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[17:29] <RITRedbeard> like can you echo <freq> > /dev/cpufreq ?
[17:29] <aaa801> depends how much of the system is exposed, i think the soc is prety much locked down jtag wise atm
[17:29] <Tachyon> ReggieUK, well, true, but still, heh, it's priced so people can experiment without worrying to much, I'm pretty sure that was part of the point of the pi
[17:29] <aaa801> ok on to the next stage of lfs
[17:29] <aaa801> :D
[17:30] <ReggieUK> not so sure about that Tachyon :)
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[17:30] <ReggieUK> it's low priced to get it into the hands of people but not necessarily to facilitate breakage :D
[17:30] <Tachyon> well, obviously it'd be better all round if people didn't break them!
[17:30] * aaa801 dies inside at the thought of compiling glibc on his atom
[17:30] <ReggieUK> hence them voiding the warranty if you overvolt
[17:31] <Tachyon> but they are designed for use in schools
[17:31] <Tachyon> and kids being what they are
[17:31] <Tachyon> lol
[17:31] <aaa801> whats the err, flags for tar.bz2
[17:31] <aaa801> to decompress
[17:31] <aaa801> xvjf?
[17:31] <Tachyon> xjf, yes
[17:31] <Tachyon> include v if you want to see the filenames
[17:31] <Lartza> 12V fan can't probably be powered fromt he GPIO? :)
[17:31] <Tachyon> erm, no
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[17:31] <Tachyon> and you really shoulnd't try
[17:32] <RITRedbeard> I wasn't suggesting overvolt... :) the A10 can clock all over the place
[17:32] * aaa801 crys
[17:32] <RITRedbeard> I'd really like to get detailed information on the architecture and how it can do that.
[17:32] <RITRedbeard> With digital systems, there is propagation delay; you don't want a floating input somewhere
[17:32] <aaa801> guys
[17:33] <Lartza> Tachyon, Why?
[17:33] <aaa801> "CFLAGS += -march=i486 -mtune=native" > configparms ;;
[17:33] <aaa801> would that be ARM or the arm7l thing?
[17:33] <aaa801> glibc calls for a arch declaration
[17:33] <RITRedbeard> but they can clock it waaaay down
[17:33] <Lartza> Gosh why are all PC fans 12V...
[17:33] <Tachyon> larsemil,. I think attaching a load like that to a GPIO pin directly would do damage
[17:33] <Tachyon> er, Lartza sorry
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[17:33] <Lartza> Can I stick a 3 or 4 pin fan connector to somewher eon the gpio?
[17:34] <mm0zct> I think for a PC fan you want a seperate power supply for it
[17:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> you can but why would you want to [and you better make sure it is really low voltage
[17:34] <Tachyon> you could use 4 pin fans and vary the PCM line for speed
[17:34] <Lartza> mm0zct, I will just run slover
[17:34] <Tachyon> er, PWM
[17:34] <n17ikh> you can get 5v fans
[17:34] <n17ikh> little pointless for the pi though..
[17:34] <Lartza> Tachyon, But are the GPIO pins spaced in a row so I can plug it in somewhere directly?
[17:35] <Tachyon> you'll kill it if you just start plugging things like that in directly
[17:35] <Tachyon> you can't just attach a 12v motor to a gpio pin
[17:35] <Lartza> :P
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[17:35] <Lartza> I was hopign I could
[17:35] <Lartza> I can just plug in a 12V motor to a 5V power supply
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[17:35] <Tachyon> you could plug a 12v 4pin fan into a 12v supply
[17:36] <aaa801> just use a blimmin relay
[17:36] <Tachyon> and somehow supply varying PWM to the PWM pins
[17:36] <Tachyon> to vary the speed
[17:36] <Tachyon> keeping the 12v away from the pi
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[17:36] <Tachyon> I think the PWM is 0-5
[17:36] <Tachyon> although I couldn't absolutely swear to it
[17:36] <Lartza> BUt I have no connectors to connect wires to the gpio :/
[17:36] <Tachyon> erm, then get some, lol, they're really cheap, it's just IDC pins
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> The PWM output on the Pi is a 3.3v signal.
[17:37] <Tachyon> ahh
[17:37] <Tachyon> hrm, so you could probably do something with it as is
[17:37] <Tachyon> do your fans need to run full speed?
[17:37] <muep> my impression is that usually GPIO pins are not designed to trasfer any significant currents
[17:37] <joeka> anyone tried rpi-cec on arch?
[17:37] <Tachyon> well certainly not 12v motors, heh, or any motors
[17:37] <muep> so they'd have hard time driving a motor
[17:37] <joeka> I can at least build it :)
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> you can pull 100mA or so out of the 5V pin, but your competing with the USB ports there.
[17:37] <Lartza> Does an old IDE wire fit the gpio?
[17:37] <Tachyon> it will once ou add the IDC pins
[17:37] <Tachyon> you can cut it down to size
[17:38] <Lartza> Becuase I could then use some wires I have aound to stich to the resulting holes
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, old floppy is a better fit and you don't have the issue of the 80-pin cables.
[17:38] <Tachyon> oh aye, and that
[17:38] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Yeah I was thinking floppy one
[17:38] <Lartza> Just need to find...
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, sorry 80-core cables on a 40-pin connector.
[17:38] <muep> loading the pins with a motor would be quite similar to just short-circuiting them
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg
[17:39] <Lartza> well I have a weird cable...
[17:39] <Lartza> it's this short one with bit of the cable reversed on the middle
[17:39] <Lartza> so pins go to different places
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> that's a floppy cable to wire up 2 drives.
[17:40] <Lartza> no it only has two ends
[17:40] <Lartza> ?
[17:40] * ReggieUK has got a proper 26pin idc cable
[17:40] <Lartza> I mean
[17:40] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I've never had two drives and this was in onve of my computers
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[17:42] <Lartza> I only have two floppy cables with those reverse thingies or two ide cables with two things
[17:43] <Lartza> and they are the older IDE one's so
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[17:45] <Lartza> Now can't find a pwoer supply for the fan...
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[17:47] <Lartza> Actualyl wow
[17:48] <Lartza> If the floppy wire works, as it should I can do some GPIO stuff right now
[17:48] <Kooothor> kthx aaa801
[17:48] <Lartza> I don't have a properr breadboard or anything but ;)
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[17:55] <KrnlPanic> Woohoo! My PI Shipped yesterday!!!'
[17:55] <yggdrasil> !!
[17:55] <yggdrasil> ^5
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[17:55] <lrvick> Anyone have any ideas on this? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=115736#p115736
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[17:58] <Lartza> Gosh how do ribbbon cables work? ;)
[17:58] <Lartza> The twist draws me off
[17:58] <joeka> hey guys
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[17:59] <joeka> dou you have an entry for the root fs in your fstab?
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[18:00] <Lartza> joeka, Yes
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[18:01] <joeka> I don't
[18:01] <joeka> that's strange
[18:01] <joeka> is it handled earlier?
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[18:01] <joeka> I also saw that /dev/root is mounted to / instead of the partition directly
[18:02] <joeka> is this something arch linux arm specific?
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[18:08] <Lartza> I am not sure how the GPIO goes
[18:08] <Lartza> If you look at the PI usb and ethernet up then top right is 3v3?
[18:08] <mervaka> you mean the pinout?
[18:08] <Lartza> Yeah
[18:08] <mervaka> one sec
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, stop a mo...
[18:10] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Not doing anything yet
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, and consider what might happen if you get it wrong...
[18:10] <Lartza> Yes
[18:10] <mervaka> Lartza: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[18:10] <Lartza> That's why I am figuring out how th elines go
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[18:11] <mervaka> 5v pin is in the corner of the board
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[18:11] <gordonDrogon> one BIG issue is that the +5v and the +3.3v are next to each other. Pins 1 and 2.
[18:11] <Lartza> So what is MagPi talking about in their issue 2 or 3
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> Look at the board. You'll see a small number 1. That's pin 1. and pin 1 on the connector is the +3.3v line.
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea, I've not read issue 2 or 3...
[18:12] <mervaka> pin 2 is 5v, pin 6 is 0v
[18:13] <Lartza> gosh so now...
[18:13] <Lartza> If I have a twisted ribbon connector how do the wires go? ;)
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> untwist it.
[18:13] <mm0zct> got a multimeter?
[18:13] <mm0zct> :p
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> the very first wire will be pin 1 on the connector.
[18:13] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Can I untwist it?
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[18:13] <gordonDrogon> you should be able to peel the strands back one at a time.
[18:14] <Lartza> yes but...
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> not sure I've seen a cable for a PC with twisted pairs though - sure it's not a SCSI cable?
[18:14] <Lartza> It has connectors on both end?
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[18:14] <mm0zct> floppy ones twist segments
[18:14] <PReDiToR> Floppy cables used to be twisted
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> you'll have to cut one end off...
[18:14] <mm0zct> it's not twisted pair
[18:14] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, No I don't since I don't have a breadboard I want the pin holes
[18:15] <mm0zct> if you have something you can use as a continuity tester then use that to map the pins accross
[18:15] <mm0zct> across*
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> You'll need some stiff wire to push into the holes then.
[18:15] <mm0zct> if you're playing with GPIO I'd recommend a cheap multimeter
[18:15] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I have that
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> What is it that you're trying to do with the GPIO?
[18:16] <Lartza> Just unlcear hwo the twist works on the ribbon wire
[18:16] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Just playing with it for now figuring what to do before my breadboard arrives ;)
[18:16] <ReggieUK> take a picture
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> is it just a small bunch of wires - like 8 or so in the middle that has a half twist in it?
[18:16] <Lartza> 7 I think
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> well, you'll just have to make it up as you go along :)
[18:17] <ReggieUK> close enough to 8
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> So what do you have? Any LEDs and resistors?
[18:17] <PReDiToR> Off by one error.
[18:17] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, LED's, resistors, umm
[18:17] <Lartza> transistors, capacitor
[18:17] <Lartza> *s
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> we just need one LED and one resistor to start with...
[18:17] <Lartza> a thermometer thing
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[18:17] <Lartza> :)
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> just an led and resistor..
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[18:18] <gordonDrogon> keep things simple to start with.
[18:18] <ReggieUK> PReDiToR, good call!
[18:20] <mm0zct> I noticed that the C GPIO example somewhere is missing the macro to read from the GPIO pins
[18:20] <mm0zct> #define GPIO_GET *(gpio+13) is what it turns out to be after some digging
[18:20] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, 1k resistor and a red LED
[18:20] <mm0zct> in case anyone was looking
[18:21] <PReDiToR> mm0zct: Oh, you wanted I *AND* O?
[18:21] <Lartza> does it matter which way I connect the resistor? ;)
[18:21] <Lartza> :P just kidding
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> ok
[18:21] <mm0zct> I was very glad to see that ;)
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> how much electronics do you know? ie. can you identify which way round an LED goes?
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> just trying to save my typing :)
[18:22] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Yes I can
[18:22] <PReDiToR> gordonDrogon: What colour do you want it?
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> Hrmmm...
[18:22] <Lartza> minus is the straight side ;)
[18:22] <mm0zct> +ve is the long side
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> Long Legs are a Positive thing ...
[18:22] <Mr_Sheesh> gordonDrogon, is this a rectangular LED, tombstone shaped, T1, or T1-3/4? :P
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> for some people, anyway.
[18:23] <Lartza> I know electronics and I've done stuff with a PICAXE
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> argh. we're trying to help the chap (not) blow up his Pi here...
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> ok. twist long leg of led round resistor, plug resistor into pin 1 and fine pin 6 and plug short leg of LED into it. See if it lights up.
[18:23] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, So do I just connect my 12V supply to the GPI ground? :)
[18:23] <mm0zct> oh, DO NOT connect the DNC pins to anything
[18:24] <mm0zct> i touched one to ground by accident and it rebooted the PI
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> mm0zct, yea, pin 4 is +5V, next to the 'real' +5V one one side and 0v on the other...
[18:24] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Wait a second...
[18:24] <PReDiToR> Perfect reset button.
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[18:25] <Lartza> now the ribbon cable... :D
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[18:25] <Lartza> I am not qurie sure which in is 6
[18:25] <Lartza> *quite
[18:25] <Lartza> *pin is
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[18:26] <Lartza> :D
[18:26] <Lartza> actually its one of the twisted ones sec...
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> the plug end of the cable will mimic the other end (lets ignore the twists for now)
[18:26] <mm0zct> I think I'm going to wrap red leccy tape around the DNC pins
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[18:26] <NucWin> gordonDrogon i had troubles with big blow torch (burn at lot of components) but found a little stick one which worked ace with the compressor to blow the solder clear
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok. don't ignore them.
[18:26] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, :D
[18:26] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I am checking if it is...
[18:27] <Lartza> rpi is 26 pins right?
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[18:27] <Lartza> and my cable is floppy, 32?
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> dunno, I can't see it. but I guess so.
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, eek :)
[18:28] <Lartza> 34 it seems...
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, was the idea to recover the components or the board?
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[18:28] <Lartza> whut...
[18:28] <NucWin> components
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, ok - well maybe you got most of them :)
[18:28] <NucWin> wasnt critical either was just a couple of dead psu's and other bits and bobs
[18:28] <Lartza> so yeah 34 pin cable and...
[18:28] <Lartza> missing 8 pins then
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> so how many pins, starting at pin 1 are contiguous and not part of the crossing?
[18:29] <Lartza> pin 3 and 4 are first twisted
[18:29] <Lartza> 1 and 2 are not
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> maybe you can turn it round to move the twists?
[18:30] <Lartza> mhh damn yeah maybe
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> or just work out the mapping.
[18:31] <Lartza> okayokay now just some of the end ones are twisted
[18:31] <Lartza> oh shit no I just plugged it the wrong way around ;)
[18:31] <Lartza> it wont fit twith the composite if I want 1 and 2 to the start
[18:32] <Lartza> okay we are set
[18:32] <Lartza> pin 1 and 2 are 5 and 6 on the cable ;)
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[18:33] <gordonDrogon> ok. resistor into pin 1, led into pin 6
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> LEd ought to light.
[18:33] <Lartza> and 19 is the first twisted I think
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> It'll be a bit dim with a 1K resistor, but you'll see it.
[18:33] <PReDiToR> If you carefully prise the top off the connector you might be able to peel the strands apart and put them back in twisted, giving a net untwisted result.
[18:33] <R`> just got my raspi and tshirt :D
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> R`, some of us never got the T shirt )-:
[18:34] <Lartza> I did <3
[18:34] <PReDiToR> R`: I wish I'd got a T-Shirt. i ordered from the other guys though. Good going =)
[18:34] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Unless the LED is backwards.
[18:34] <Lartza> PReDiToR, Really? lets do that first...
[18:34] <R`> i got it from element14
[18:34] <R`> but i payed early
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, cool. send it to me for helping you get this led lit up ;-)
[18:34] <R`> also i have size S
[18:34] <R`> maybe thats why..
[18:34] <Lartza> PReDiToR, It's weird though
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> R`, I paid early too, but not early enough by the looks of it.
[18:34] <Lartza> Not sure what to pry
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, you probaby don't need to. is the LED lit yet?
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, So pin 1-> resistor -> LED (long leg) -> pin 6
[18:35] <Lartza> I am scared so no :P
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, pin 1 will be a corner pin, pin 6 will be on the other side, the 3rd one down.
[18:36] <Lartza> but the ribboonnn
[18:36] <Lartza> :D
[18:36] <Lartza> I am not sure which way it goes
[18:37] <Lartza> okay there is this thingin on the other side that like
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> ok - what's the worst that can happen...
[18:37] <Lartza> FOr the connecting to the floppy
[18:37] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Pi break?
[18:37] <Lartza> ;)
[18:37] <mm0zct> if it's an exposed rippon just follow it with your finger or a pen
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[18:37] <mm0zct> ribbon*
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, well yes, pi break... but as long as you make sure the bare wires don't touch (aoart from the ones twised together). then you should be fine.
[18:38] <Lartza> mm0zct, It has connectors on both ends but do the lines stay how
[18:38] <mm0zct> can you find a picture of what your cable looks like?
[18:38] <mm0zct> http://www.cablesdirect.com/prodimages/CC2205B_LR.jpg ?
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[18:39] <mm0zct> if you use the other edge of the connector pins 1 and 6 shouldn't be on the twisted section
[18:39] <Lartza> It's like http://www.cromwell-intl.com/technical/pictures/cables-dscf9679.jpg
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[18:39] <Lartza> and the other end has the groove on the "outer side" oo
[18:40] <Lartza> just wondering if the lines switch places or no?
[18:40] <mm0zct> i have a suggestion
[18:40] <Lartza> or is it that the smoot side 1 is the other smooth side one?
[18:40] <Lartza> *smooth
[18:41] <mm0zct> shift the connector so that only half of it is on the pins, and half the pins on the pi are exposed
[18:41] <Lartza> It is kind of like that?
[18:41] <mm0zct> put it on the even pins, the outside
[18:42] <Lartza> geez
[18:42] <mm0zct> then try and put the LED between pin 1 (3.3v) and what you think should be ground
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[18:42] <Lartza> I think I know where they are but not sure
[18:42] <mm0zct> you will ether get a non connected line, and it won't light, or you will get ground, and it will
[18:42] <Lartza> what is pin 5?
[18:42] <mm0zct> then you will know how the wires map
[18:42] <Lartza> ohh hmm yeah maybe
[18:43] <Lartza> can I break it by connecting 5V > 1k > led > pin5?
[18:43] <Lartza> pi that is
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> unlikely.
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[18:43] <mm0zct> the led will drop the voltage to ~4.3v, and the resistor should help too
[18:44] <mm0zct> also it would be reverse biased
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> pin5 on the connector is a GPIO pin.
[18:44] <mm0zct> so the LED would, with it's diode properties, protect the PI
[18:44] <Gadgetoid> Why not pin5 to gnd?
[18:45] <Gadgetoid> If you want to sink current, shove a darlington in the mix and the Pi should be pretty safe
[18:45] <mm0zct> a generic LED should survive 5v reverse bias right?
[18:45] <Gadgetoid> mm0zct: pretty sure I've hooked mine up a few times the wrong way with no ill effe t
[18:45] <Gadgetoid> Take LED, trim leads??? *facepalm*
[18:46] <mm0zct> exactly, so Lartza is safe so long as he puts the short tail in the pin 1/2 option, and the long end in the pin 5/6 option
[18:46] <Lartza> It seems my wires dont cut it :P
[18:46] <Lartza> I can't get them to the IDE pin holes
[18:46] <mm0zct> put the LED in directly?
[18:47] <Gadgetoid> IMHO the basic Pi examples should be scrubbed and the starter kit should include some interesting components??? I started with a pack of LEDs and outgrew it in about 5 minutes
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[18:47] <mm0zct> I've been trying to bitbang JTAG and stuck some LEDs in parallel to help debug it
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> just had a look through my box o bits & can't find a floppy cable. looks like I really did throw them all out at the last clean-out!
[18:47] <Gadgetoid> I guess it's different strokes for different folks, and it depends what you do with the LEDs in code??? but they're very quickly boring
[18:48] <markllama> Gadgetoid: that's what "community" is for. I bet they'd welcome more examples.
[18:48] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: That's a shame! I haven't looked yet
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[18:48] <Gadgetoid> markllama: Truedat! Maybe I'll do a quick "FIRING A LASER! With your Pi" example
[18:48] <mm0zct> I didn't say LEDs were fun, just useful
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[18:48] <markllama> *grin*
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, if you can't get that LED to light up, then give up and get some proper jumper wires and a breadboard would be my suggestion.
[18:48] <Gadgetoid> Useful, yup, but they make a boring starter kit
[18:49] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, They are coming ;)
[18:49] <mm0zct> there's a starter kit?
[18:49] <markllama> Not if you've never made them light up
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> skpang do one.
[18:49] <markllama> Now a few thermocouples and some moisture sensors..
[18:49] <Gadgetoid> I want to nag more resellers to let users build starter kits from their own choice of components, as it's no difficulty for them to assemble any kit to order
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[18:50] <Gadgetoid> So Joe Pi-using Electronics Self-Proclaimed Expert could build a guide, and spec-out a starter kit of components that the retailer could list
[18:50] <Lartza> Can I somehow get the connector off the other end without cutting the cable? :S
[18:50] <mm0zct> an LCD touchscreen on the GPIO pins might be neat
[18:50] <Gadgetoid> mm0zct: the DS touchscreen looks promising, I still haven't taken the plunge on that though
[18:50] <mm0zct> Lartza: yes
[18:50] <mm0zct> have you got wire cutters or scissors?
[18:50] <mm0zct> you need to cut the plastic clips on the side of the plastic connector
[18:51] <mm0zct> then the top pops off
[18:51] <Lartza> scissors yes
[18:51] <Lartza> oh it connects THERE
[18:51] <mm0zct> exposing the wires pressed into the metal contact grips
[18:52] <Lartza> ummm
[18:52] <Lartza> Not sure which clips to cut
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[18:53] <Lartza> I see that...
[18:53] <Gadgetoid> Haven't tried hooking my laser to the Pi, actually??? hmmmm
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[18:53] <mm0zct> have you got a pen knife?
[18:53] <Lartza> I don't think so
[18:53] <mm0zct> or flat head screwdriver?
[18:53] <Lartza> I know kind of what to do know but I keep failing
[18:54] <mm0zct> http://www.cromwell-intl.com/technical/pictures/cables-dscf9679.jpg look at the very sides of that picture
[18:54] <mm0zct> you want to slide something flat in that clip and rotate to force it open
[18:54] <Lartza> Ahh I see
[18:54] <Lartza> ohhh yeaaaa I seee
[18:54] <Lartza> :D
[18:54] <Lartza> I got it wrong
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. searching through my bits box and I find a rather large LCD display...
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, is it lit up?
[18:55] <PReDiToR> Preferably something that isn't sharp and if(when) you slip won't take skin out of your hand and bleed for hours.
[18:55] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Not yet couldn't get it with the connectors attached :)
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[18:56] <mm0zct> I needed the pen knife because I was actually cutting the connector edge so that 2 would fit next to each other
[18:58] <mm0zct> why di IDE ribbons have to have a pin hole keyed out :(
[18:58] <mm0zct> do*
[18:58] <Lartza> mm0zct, I broke some tabs but...
[18:58] <Lartza> it wont slide back
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[18:58] <mm0zct> you have to peel it up
[18:59] <markllama> mm0zct: so you can't insert it backwards (which happened a lot)
[18:59] <mm0zct> markllama: I know, it was a rehtorical question :p
[18:59] <markllama> sorry.
[18:59] <markllama> :-)
[18:59] <mm0zct> I was just lamenting the fact that I can't just stick it on the Pi
[18:59] <Lartza> mm0zct, There is still something holding it
[18:59] <markllama> you can fix it with an xacto knife :-)
[19:00] <markllama> or with a really hot paper clip
[19:00] <mm0zct> a drill or soldering iron (with said paperclip)
[19:00] <Lartza> it's this small tab...
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[19:01] <Lartza> wow
[19:01] <Lartza> cut myself with a screwdriver ;)
[19:02] <mm0zct> good job you didn't have the pen knife i was suggesting.....
[19:02] <ReggieUK> a drawing pin, thumb tack etc. is what I used to clear the hole on my 26pin idc cable (it's for a parallel port adapter)
[19:02] <Lartza> mm0zct, Thre is this stupid thing to prevent draw to the connector
[19:02] <Lartza> that is keeping the actual thing in place too
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[19:05] <Lartza> hate peeling wires with scissors...
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[19:06] <relapse> so get some proper strippers
[19:06] <mm0zct> small kitchen knife?
[19:06] <relapse> or a lighter
[19:06] <relapse> lighter usually works well...
[19:07] <relapse> never tried it with ribbon, but regular wire just heat up the coating and pinch + pull with your finger nail
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[19:07] <Lartza> mm0zct, you seem to know about ribbos is the one with the red line on the smooth side or the side with the bump?
[19:08] <H-Tech> what the hell am i supposed to do with this lagging slow peice of crap?
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[19:08] <relapse> send it to me
[19:08] <IT_Sean> Problem, H-Tech?
[19:08] <MikeL> lol he made
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[19:09] <MikeL> i think he was expecting to play crysis on it
[19:09] <mm0zct> red is bump
[19:09] <mm0zct> on a hard disk one
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[19:09] <H-Tech> and you would be as disappointed as me
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[19:09] <mm0zct> probably the same on the floppy
[19:09] <NucWin> Has anyone documented how so send a email at boot using gmail?
[19:09] <mm0zct> anyway i need to head home
[19:09] <mm0zct> bbs
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[19:10] <ReggieUK> h-tech, pm
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[19:11] <Arch-RPi> whats going on with H-Tech ? i scrolled up but all i see is him saying its a slow piece of crap
[19:11] <MikeL> it is slow
[19:12] <MikeL> not crap tho :P
[19:12] <NucWin> I've not touched my desktop for over two weeks because of pi lol
[19:12] <ReggieUK> mind your language people
[19:12] <relapse> its only 800mhz and 512mb right? or 700mhz
[19:12] <relapse> lol.
[19:12] <IT_Sean> 700mhz @ the stock clocking.
[19:12] <NucWin> 700 and 256 shared with CPU
[19:13] <NucWin> Gpu
[19:13] <mikey_w> That word is not offensive.
[19:13] <ReggieUK> this is not up for discussion
[19:13] <ReggieUK> it's not your decision
[19:13] <relapse> gotcha
[19:13] <relapse> Which word?
[19:13] <relapse> crap?
[19:13] <reider59> no but people see it and think it`s OK then that leads to more offensive words
[19:14] * relapse was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[19:14] <Meatballs> its a slippery slope
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[19:14] <Meatballs> next people will be saying damn
[19:14] <relapse> wasn't being funny... was being serious..
[19:14] <mikey_w> You are a ridiculous prude, reider59.
[19:14] <reider59> whatever!
[19:14] <MikeL> woah meatballs calm down
[19:14] <ReggieUK> it's got nothing to do with anyone being a prude
[19:14] <ReggieUK> if you'd like to lookup freenode policy.....
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[19:15] <relapse> power trippin
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[19:15] <H-Tech> hunk of junk suits it anyways
[19:15] <mikey_w> That word is in common usage by everyone.
[19:15] <ReggieUK> http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
[19:15] <IT_Sean> H-Tech. What's your problem?
[19:15] <ReggieUK> avoid emotive speech, avoid sensitive material
[19:15] <relapse> heh.
[19:15] <Meatballs> ReggieUK, 'Use channel operator privileges sparingly. Each time you use them you raise the channel temperature.'
[19:15] <Meatballs> :>
[19:15] <mikey_w> I feel no emotions.
[19:16] <relapse> right meatballs
[19:16] <relapse> can't even ask a serious question
[19:16] <IT_Sean> Meatballs. The door is over there if you don't like how things are run.
[19:16] <reider59> Anyone fancy putting this into plain English if they have the time? As a Windows user and prude I cannot work it out.
[19:16] <aanderson> (...and don't waste everyone's time by trying to be rules lawyer if someone calls you on it)
[19:16] <reider59> http://www.cjb.im/2012/06/raspberry-pi-wireless-display-using.html
[19:16] <Meatballs> 'Don't keep channel operator privileges'
[19:16] <Meatballs> the motto of this story, is dont spout a link that backs you up
[19:16] <Meatballs> and then dont follow it :>
[19:16] <relapse> lol
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[19:17] * Meatballs was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[19:17] <mikey_w> Remember that there are adults here too.
[19:17] <MikeL> Why can't I hold all this drama?
[19:17] <relapse> What a lame channel..
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[19:17] <aanderson> so leave :D
[19:17] <IT_Sean> Oooooooohaky. Lets all cool off a bit, mkay?
[19:17] <aanderson> bugger, too slow
[19:17] <MikeL> he swore!!!!!
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[19:18] * NucWin hands out cakes for everybody
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[19:18] <MikeL> :P
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[19:18] <ReggieUK> anoyone else like to push some buttons?
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[19:18] <ReggieUK> go for it
[19:18] * IT_Sean pushes some buttons
[19:18] <mikey_w> Can we all get a list of forbidden words?
[19:19] * NucWin turns ReggieUK's rage against the machine off and puts some relaxing music on
[19:19] <MikeL> Hopefully it's careless whisper
[19:19] <reider59> oh nooooo not the elevator music again.......
[19:20] * IT_Sean turns off the elevator music and puts on some U2
[19:20] <NucWin> Me cuts deeply
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[19:20] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Led doesn't ligt so it's either broken or I am doign something wrong :)
[19:20] <NucWin> Fail
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, Hm. ok... try it the other way round - just in-case...
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[19:23] <ReggieUK> IF anyone see's meatballs, he's welcome back in
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[19:24] <mikey_w> I have a solution, just ban the children.
[19:24] <IT_Sean> No.
[19:25] <IT_Sean> This is a family firendly channel.
[19:25] <MikeL> I'll go look in my food cupboard
[19:25] <mikey_w> Can we have a vote?
[19:25] <ReggieUK> no
[19:25] <MikeL> nope
[19:25] <IT_Sean> No.
[19:25] <NucWin> make the bot super senstive with language with one warning then 24h ban
[19:25] <IT_Sean> NucWin, no.
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[19:26] <NucWin> or devoice after one warning
[19:26] <IT_Sean> NucWin, please do not tell us how to run things. Thanks.
[19:26] <Fozzey> If the children are smart enough tolog into irc. I don't think anything we may say will be somehting they haven't heard somewhere else
[19:26] <NucWin> suggestions are not welcome
[19:26] <NucWin> NOT
[19:26] <Mr_Sheesh> Channel title DOES say "No Foul Language"
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[19:27] <Lartza> Hrmpfh damn it
[19:27] <Lartza> oh wait *facepalm
[19:27] <Lartza> my led is the wrong way around
[19:27] <Lartza> gosh
[19:27] <Fozzey> true, but I've witnessed kicks for much less than "foul" words
[19:27] <mikey_w> Gie me a definition of "Foul"?
[19:27] <mikey_w> Give
[19:28] <MikeL> the c word for poo
[19:28] <MikeL> is a bad word
[19:28] * jmontleon failed his sensitivity training
[19:28] <Fozzey> but poo isn't
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[19:28] <H-Tech> what have i caused?
[19:28] <reider59> We all slipp up occasionally.
[19:28] <mikey_w> You are all just pompous draconian self-serving bombasts.
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[19:28] <MikeL> lol mikey you mad?
[19:29] <Lartza> yay
[19:29] <Mr_Sheesh> Problem with having a list is that some then "game it" i.e. push it just to wear Chan Ops out & frazzle them
[19:29] <reider59> A simple warning should be enough but some take no notice
[19:29] <ReggieUK> and you can still leave if you like mikey_w
[19:29] <Lartza> I lit up a LED from the GPIO 3.3V and GROUND!
[19:29] <mikey_w> You leave I like it here.
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[19:30] <Fozzey> wow
[19:30] <Lartza> So
[19:30] <Lartza> Fan control with Pi?
[19:30] <Lartza> :)
[19:30] <Lartza> mhh actually not gonna do that
[19:30] <ReggieUK> at the end of the day we have 500 people in here, 99% of them are absolutely fine
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[19:31] <ReggieUK> the 1% that aren't get spoken to via pm
[19:31] <H-Tech> :(
[19:31] <ReggieUK> then there is a minority there that just don't care about the rules or why they are there
[19:31] <NucWin> 99% are idlers
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[19:31] <H-Tech> lol
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[19:31] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I got it to light :)
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, on the Pi?
[19:32] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, My led was the wrong way around :P
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> doh :)
[19:32] <Joshun> kernels sure take a long time to compile
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[19:32] <Joshun> but that can be expected on any system really
[19:32] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Now thinking what can I do
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[19:33] <H-Tech> stick it on ebay
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, Right. Now we need to connect it to a GPIO pin and make it blink...
[19:33] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I have a 10k NTC thermistor can GPIO read that?
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, no. it's digital only.
[19:33] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, ;)
[19:33] <Lartza> Aww
[19:34] <Lartza> is PICAXE analog because I think it can read that...
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> lar the connection that's in pin 1 (+3.3v) need to be moved to another pin.
[19:34] <Lartza> oh wait it had legs that are digital AND analog that's why
[19:34] <Joshun> is there a cross compiler for armfv6?
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> yea, most PICs and ATmegas have analogue inputs.
[19:34] <Fozzey> Joshun: take a look at http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
[19:35] <Joshun> thanks
[19:35] <Joshun> the config file was from the rpi itself
[19:35] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Yeah so 3v3 off
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> So move it from pin 1 to pin 7.
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[19:35] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I fear I make the wires touch since they are exposed :/
[19:35] <Lartza> :)
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> pin 7 is the 4th down on the same side as the 3.3v pin.
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[19:35] <gordonDrogon> count 1,3,5,7.
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[19:35] <Joshun> is there any gpio stuff you can do with just an ide cable and some leds?
[19:35] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Since it's exposed my wires just go 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 ;)
[19:36] <Lartza> In order fromt the ribbon
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, yes - you can make them light up, or not...
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> oh, you took them out... ok.
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> well, you still need it to go from pin 7 to pin 6.
[19:36] <Joshun> if you had loads you could use them for disco lighting :)
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> do it with the pi off if you are concerend.
[19:36] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, My wires were toot hin to stay in the holes well so
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, if that's your thing :)
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, you'll need some software too.
[19:37] <H-Tech> whats a good use for a pi?
[19:37] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Python and RPi.GPIO
[19:37] <Lartza> ;)
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> H-Tech, it's a small PC running Linux. What do you want to do with it?
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, your on your own with the pythin stuff - I don't know it at all.
[19:37] <H-Tech> i can wait to control leds
[19:38] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Just rebooted my pi there...
[19:38] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Not sure what touched :P
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, probably something to ground...
[19:38] <Lartza> probably 3v3 and ground :S
[19:38] <Joshun> lol "Reboot your RPi and pray :)" in the wiki
[19:38] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Led still lights up ;)
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, well - it's not supposed to..
[19:39] <Lartza> from 3V3
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> thought you'd moved it.
[19:39] <Lartza> after reboot :P
[19:39] <Lartza> not yet
[19:39] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, If you werent saying python then what?
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a bunch of code to use the GPIO from C programs and from the command-line.
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[19:40] <Lartza> oh well
[19:40] <Lartza> I don't know C but I do know python
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> it's easy to install and use. you don't need to know C, just type a few commands.
[19:40] <Arch-RPi> H-Tech: im courious if you read up on the rpi before you bought it?
[19:40] <aaa801> http://screensnapr.com/v/PKP53T.jpg (??????????????????? ?????????
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[19:41] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, anyway, if you connect the LED to pin 7 then it's GPIO pin number 4.
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[19:41] <H-Tech> yes
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[19:41] <NucWin> imo the pi is better than i expected
[19:41] <Arch-RPi> agreed
[19:41] <H-Tech> why do we need to teach kids how to turn on and off leds
[19:41] <H-Tech> what purpose ?
[19:41] <NucWin> dunno if they 45MB/s SD card is making that difference up
[19:41] <mikey_w> hrrumph!
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> H-Tech, fun.
[19:41] * IT_Sean facepalms
[19:41] <Fozzey> ditto
[19:41] * aaa801 headdesks
[19:41] <MikeL> learning
[19:42] <ReggieUK> because that's the start of things
[19:42] <IT_Sean> H-Tech, it's a good programming exercide. And the idea is to teach kids programming.
[19:42] <H-Tech> the could use a 9v battery and there hands
[19:42] <MikeL> so the kids can make the tech of the future
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> and do not underestimate the power of flashing light technology.
[19:42] <IT_Sean> H-Tech, you are entirely missing the point.
[19:42] <Joshun> just baked some chocolate chip cakes :)
[19:42] <H-Tech> by controlling leds?
[19:42] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Yeah just did that
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> H-Tech, what do you think is inside a fruit machine (one arm bandit)... lots and lots of lights.
[19:42] <mikey_w> Yes introduce the children to new ideas and new WORDS.
[19:42] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Now reading the python commands :)
[19:42] <MikeL> LEDs today next google tomorow
[19:43] <NucWin> computers are just led's coming on and off
[19:43] <mikey_w> Introduce them to ICs controlled by the GPIO.
[19:43] <Arch-RPi> programming
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I've just been looking at the Heber stuff - they're hosting the Bristol/Bath Pie Jam thing in Agust - they make the control gear for gaming machines - bandits, etc.
[19:44] <H-Tech> start at the bottom ?
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> H-Tech, why not.
[19:44] <Lartza> wow
[19:44] <H-Tech> back in the late 60s
[19:44] <mikey_w> Teach them boolean mathematics.
[19:44] <Arch-RPi> access to affordable computers to those that cant normally afford it
[19:44] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Can I have it your way? I am getting python errors and stack traces here :D
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, ok. you need to open a temrinal window and type in a few commands:
[19:45] <MikeL> Why teach a kid basic maths if thry could be doing university level math?
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> you can copy & paste them from here:
[19:45] <H-Tech> lol not by the time rs have had the say with the chingchang poweradapter and no pi branded sd card
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> start with:
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> cd /tmp
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> wget http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/wiringPi.tgz
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> let me know when you've got that.
[19:45] <Lartza> got that and extracted
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> tar xfz wiringPi.tgz
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> cd wiringPi/wiringPi
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> make
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> sudo make install
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> cd ../gpio
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> make
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> sudo make install
[19:46] <aaa801> gordonDrogon, could u write up some code to link a sdcard to the gpio?, i remember some gpio hgack for that on dd-wrt
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> once you've done that, then type 'gpio' on it's own - should give an error message, but it'll let you know it's done.
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[19:46] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Wait a m... sudo make install
[19:46] <Lartza> I do not like that
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, I guess I could - I've never looked at the protocol though.
[19:47] <aaa801> its basicaly serial
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> read the makefile if you're not sure. it's just copying files to a location.
[19:47] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, oh it does have an uninstall target yeah
[19:47] <aaa801> dd-wrt is open anyway should be rippable
[19:47] <aaa801> lemme find it
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, it would be slower than the built-in one as there would be no DMA...
[19:47] <aaa801> itd still be usefull for duel booting etc
[19:47] <mikey_w> http://www.amazon.com/Code-Language-Computer-Hardware-Software/dp/0735611319?tag=duckduckgo-d-20
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> there are some high-level sd card controller chips though - ones that understand vfat directly...
[19:48] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, gpio: Usage ...
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, ok. now we do:
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> gpio mode 7 out
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> then
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> gpio write 7 1
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> and tha led ought to light up.
[19:48] <Lartza> yay
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> gpio write 7 0
[19:48] <Lartza> python didn't work for some reason :S
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> should turn it off.
[19:49] <H-Tech> you now get a sticker
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> Boo hissssssssss for the python :)
[19:49] <H-Tech> and to retire your pi as there are no more uses
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> you're not being helpfule, H-Tech
[19:49] <H-Tech> save him the hassle
[19:50] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, But to do something useful I want the python :P
[19:50] <H-Tech> put the thing down
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, well that's something you'll need to read up on I'm afraid. I'm a C programmer, not a Python one...
[19:50] <reider59> There are any number of uses, only limited by peoples imagination
[19:50] <H-Tech> uve made a led blink so could a monkey with a led and a baterry
[19:50] <H-Tech> battery*
[19:50] <IT_Sean> Apparently H-Tech hasn't got much imagination.
[19:50] <MikeL> He's just a bad troll.
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> H-Tech also seems to have a real downer on things too.
[19:51] <MikeL> or a moron
[19:51] <H-Tech> Language
[19:51] <NucWin> i know the problem its got a raspberry logo not an apple one
[19:51] <reider59> lol
[19:51] <Arch-RPi> lol
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> I know a song about morons... *sigh* ...
[19:51] <H-Tech> kiddies preasent
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[19:52] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Okay it works just prints some trace on to tty1 every time you setup as input oroutput ;)
[19:52] <Arch-RPi> NucWin: BUT it does have a fruit logo so ina way its kinda the same
[19:52] <Arch-RPi> sorta
[19:52] <reider59> The same but different ;-)
[19:52] <Arch-RPi> right
[19:52] <NucWin> its better in imo
[19:52] <Arch-RPi> heh
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[19:53] <H-Tech> i gots it im gonna have 1000' leds i see it the the possabilitys are endless
[19:53] <NucWin> only half better but hopefully broadcom will relise its worth making it fully better and release some sources
[19:53] <Lartza> I was really hoping my NTC thermistor would have given me reading through GPIO :)
[19:53] <H-Tech> cant wait till xmas
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, sorry - no can do there.
[19:53] <H-Tech> the wife wont beleive her luck
[19:54] <NucWin> H-Tech if you get 1000' addressable leds working off the gpio ports it will make a good blog read
[19:54] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, So how about fan speed control? I just output numbers 1-5?
[19:54] <H-Tech> cause you would have something else to do with the thing
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> I'm aiming to get about 64 going for the town xmas tree - although I may just use an arduino for it...
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, ok. move the LED :)
[19:54] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, ? :D
[19:55] <reider59> I have a Mac Mini here I`d never part with-the pre Intel one. 7 PC`s including a shuttle and now the Pi. They all have different uses and I have a place for them all. Even if some are there because I hate losing the older hardware, apart from passing them on to friends and family when in need.
[19:55] <MikeL> H-Tech is just mad because he can't get his Pi to run Quake 3
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, need to move it to wire 12.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> then these commands:
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> gpio mode 1 pwm
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> gpio pwm 1 100
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> ought to be very dim.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> gpio pwm 1 1000
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> ought to be bright.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> and try numbers in-between.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> that's your basic PWM control pin.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> that's what ultimatly might control your fan.
[19:56] <H-Tech> haha it would melt after 2 minutes this thing would struggle to run as a calculator
[19:56] <chaoshax> So there's no ADC on the gpio pins?
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, nope.
[19:56] <IT_Sean> H-Tech. What exactly is your malfunction?
[19:56] <chaoshax> That's unfortunate.
[19:56] <MikeL> H-Tech why are you here?
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, yes - but the chip itself doesn't support it.
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[19:57] <H-Tech> cause my pi arrived
[19:57] <reider59> If you feel capable of using a calculator I`m sure you could get one at a reasonable price
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[19:57] <H-Tech> and has ruined my day
[19:57] <H-Tech> was looking for hope
[19:57] <MikeL> why?
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[19:57] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, I see, though you can get some i2c ADCs though
[19:57] <chaoshax> Which is probably a good alternative.
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, yes - the gertboard has some SPI ones on-board - ADC and DAC's.
[19:57] <MikeL> How has it ruined your day?
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, as well as an ATmega for more ADC's.
[19:58] <reider59> I don`t think the Gertboard is too far from release now
[19:58] <H-Tech> the state of it
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> reider59, soon...
[19:58] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, True, I like atmega :D
[19:58] <MikeL> and?
[19:58] <H-Tech> all ports hanging over the board
[19:58] <IT_Sean> Did you even LOOK at the website before you ordered it??
[19:58] <H-Tech> tacky before you begin page
[19:58] <MikeL> I don't think the Pi is for you.
[19:59] <Mike632T> H-Tech: Like that is a surprise ..?
[19:59] <Sash> Hi, how can I get more entropy into the kernel? gpg tells me "Not enough random bytes available." needs 292 more bytes. I tried reading data from sdcard, finding files and copying data over network. no success :(
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> H-Tech, if you'd read the forums, etc. then you'd know the reasons - all to do with costs, etc. so you now have a ?26 linux computer. Stop winging.
[19:59] <chaoshax> SadMan, ls -R
[19:59] <chaoshax> Sash, *
[19:59] <Lartza> gordonDrogon,
[19:59] <Dagger2> Sash: I installed `haveged`
[19:59] <Lartza> woops
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> Sash, keep waiting, type things in the comnsole, move the mouse, etc...
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[19:59] <MikeL> The Pi as it is right now isn't for the common man, it's for people who don't mind geting their hands dirty with command lines
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[19:59] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Aww 10000 didn't make it 10x brighter than 1000 ;)
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[20:00] <reider59> Woo hoo, bring back DOS
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, no- the limit is 0 to 1023...
[20:00] <Mike632T> gordonDrogon: MikeL: Think I smell a troll.. :-)
[20:00] <H-Tech> i have a 26 calculator that lugs into my tv
[20:00] <MikeL> Have you installed Debian onto it yet?
[20:00] <Sash> gordonDrogon: cannot type into console, pluggin in my keyboard creates kernel panic. moved mouse around (no X) and ls'ed and find'ed for a while :(
[20:01] <H-Tech> i manage 17 linux servers at work
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[20:01] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, *giggle* if I press up arrow twice and enter repeatedly it blinks
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, heh...
[20:01] <Lartza> ;P
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> Sash, can you persuade it to use /dev/urandom instead of /dev/random ?
[20:01] <MikeL> How did you manahe to get the job H-Tech?
[20:01] <MikeL> manage*
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[20:02] <chaoshax> Maybe he's our first Ape customer :p
[20:02] <H-Tech> its work
[20:02] <reider59> He showed them his calculator
[20:02] <Mike632T> My 'case' arrived today - looks even better up close than on the web. http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-b-p-1107.html
[20:02] <MikeL> Is your name Jen?
[20:02] <Barry> any raspberry experts here?
[20:02] <H-Tech> lol
[20:02] <H-Tech> there all experts in here
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> Mike632T, excellent!
[20:02] <Barry> good
[20:02] <MikeL> I'm not an expert
[20:02] <Arch-RPi> the rpi isnt any different then any other low powered pc....other than its easier to mess with
[20:02] <Barry> i've got a problem with xmbc
[20:02] <Sash> gordonDrogon: gonna try, need to dig through docs first.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> H-Tech, stick around, you might learn something, but do feel free to bang the rocks together.
[20:03] <reider59> I got a similar one to that, just a wee bit cheaper. Excellen set and case.
[20:03] <Barry> anyone wants to help me in private chat?
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[20:03] <H-Tech> il bang my pi in the top of my shredder
[20:03] <reider59> *excellent too
[20:03] <Gadgetoid> Lartza: use you the WiringPython for the awesome power!
[20:03] <IT_Sean> Barry, what do you need help with?
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> best to just ask out here... we all have different skills...
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[20:03] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, ?
[20:03] <Mike632T> Trouble is I'm going to want to be messing with the ports all evening instead or working on the OS image
[20:03] <H-Tech> wanna control leds barry
[20:03] <MikeL> H-Tech how can you manage 17 linux servers but can't figure out a Pi?
[20:03] <Gadgetoid> Lartza: GPIO access for Python, with added awesome sauce, trololo
[20:04] <H-Tech> gordons your man
[20:04] <Barry> my films stop playing at random times after some minutess
[20:04] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I am not sure where to connect GPIO to a Fan
[20:04] <H-Tech> press up and they blink *giigles*
[20:04] <Lartza> Control or Tacho
[20:04] <Barry> and it goes back to the menu
[20:04] <H-Tech> *giggles*
[20:04] <Arch-RPi> Barry: what distro are you using?
[20:04] <Barry> raspbmc latest version
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> Barry, see - if you'd asked me that in a private conv. I'd not have been able to help as I'm not a media expert!
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[20:05] <booyaa|pi> hello!
[20:05] <Barry> and i've tried openelec, same problem
[20:05] <MikeL> How are you playing the media?
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, a 3-pin fan.... the red wire to the +3.3v the black wire to the 0v the control wire(yellow?) to the wire that's controlling the led brightness.
[20:05] <Barry> tried usb stick and 3.5 external hdd
[20:05] <reider59> I`m not interested in football but when I hear people talking about it rather than disparaging them I move on to something I am interested in. I can never see the point in going on about something I don`t like, to be honest, far easier to find something I do.
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> however if it's a 12V fan it's not going to turn.
[20:05] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, But I have 12V fans and I was thinking external power supply yeah
[20:06] <H-Tech> i think its not powerful enough barry
[20:06] <MikeL> tried streaming from smb?
[20:06] <H-Tech> you have been mislead
[20:06] <MikeL> H-Tech please go
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[20:06] <Barry> i'm using an 700ma adapter, could that be the problem?
[20:06] <MikeL> Could be
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, well.... you connect the red wire to the 12v, the black wire to the 0v, connect the 0v on the fan PSU to the 0V on the Pi, then connect the PWM pin on the pi to a transistor via a resistor and have the collector of that drive the yellow wire to the fan via a resitor to 12v.
[20:07] <MikeL> Do you have another adapter you could use?
[20:07] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, And actually the fan truns on 3V of power :)
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[20:07] <Gadgetoid> Every time I see another "mai filums wont play", I die a little bit inside
[20:07] <Lartza> Just tested with the supply I can adjust it
[20:08] <Barry> I've ordered a 1.2a adapter
[20:08] <MikeL> Could be the adapter, you tried streaming from the pc?
[20:09] <Barry> http://www.prijszoeken.nl/product/4024559332371/HNP06-Micro-USB-C-stekkervoeding-6W-5V.html
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[20:09] <Barry> this one to be exact
[20:09] <Barry> |MikeL what should i use to stream from pc?
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[20:10] <MikeL> Do you know hoe to set up a shared folder?
[20:10] <MikeL> how*
[20:10] <Barry> jep
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[20:10] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, does it? slowly, I guess.
[20:10] <MikeL> Set one up with videos in it and goto it on XBMC
[20:10] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Humm and for some rason 9 and 12 are too mcuh it only jiggles :P
[20:10] <mervaka> hmm
[20:10] <mervaka> anyone hot on qemu?
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[20:11] <Barry> just this way? Properties > Share > Sharing?
[20:11] * PiBot sets mode +v PhonicUK
[20:11] <mervaka> trying to get the standard rpi debian image working..
[20:11] <MikeL> yea
[20:11] <MikeL> You on windows 7?
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[20:11] <Barry> key, i'll try that tomorrow
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[20:11] <Barry> thanks guys
[20:12] <reider59> That Parrot DF3120 Pic frame comes with a 5v 1.0A PSU and 4 different coloured "go faster" stripes for the screen, good value.
[20:12] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Okay so... 4 pin fan? Do I need to connect the tacho wire anywhere?
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, you'd need to make a circuit like this to power it from 12v: http://unicorn.drogon.net/fancd.jpg
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, no - you won't be able to read that on the Pi (well, not easilly)
[20:12] <Lartza> Hmm
[20:12] <ReggieUK> those frames are pretty cool reider59
[20:12] <Lartza> Well the smaller wont run on 12V for some reason although it says DV12V behind it
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[20:13] <reider59> I have the boot loader on but not figured the rest out yet. I will in time
[20:13] <reider59> Good shout on them though Reggie
[20:13] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Too high starting voltage? I am baffled
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[20:14] <Mike632T> reider59: Which distro?
[20:15] <reider59> It`s going on Debian wheezy when I figure it out
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, I don't know whats happening. I'd start with the pwm set to 1000 and see if the fan turns, then move the pwm to 500 and see what happens.
[20:16] <reider59> I think the BT has loaded OK, it`s getting Linux to run on it I`m a little (read a lot) lost with
[20:16] <Mike632T> I found raspbian quite straight forward and it is a little quicker owing to the hard float instructions here http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
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[20:16] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I don't have it connected to the Pi yet just the supply and it wont rotate
[20:16] <ReggieUK> reider59 you can use minifs to compile your own kernel/rootfs
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, ok. maybe it won't turn at 3.3v
[20:16] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, There it does nothing but at 12V it wont turn either
[20:16] <reider59> No, I tried the other Distros, I`m happy with Wheezy. but this has to go on and be a BT Network
[20:16] <ReggieUK> its minimal (no x) but it's not cluttered with all that stuff that comes with debian/normal builds
[20:17] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, It nudges and sticks to a certain position
[20:17] <ReggieUK> and of course you can grab binaries from openwrt distros
[20:17] <reider59> I have Minifs downloaded, just not sure what to do with it next
[20:18] <reider59> extracted it to an image
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, it might be that it needs the pwm input to make it turn.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, try connecting the pwm input to the + supply..
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> I've actually just thrown out a box of about a dozen assorted PC fans too..
[20:19] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I think I might have broken it or something :D
[20:19] <mpthompson> Hi everyone, using a build recipe given to me by Obsys, I'm working on getting my own build of XBMC under Raspbian.
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, well who knows. at least you got an LED to light up :)
[20:20] <mpthompson> After a long build process I believe I now have a good build. The issue is starting it up which Obsys recipe didn't cover.
[20:20] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Oh no still works
[20:20] <mpthompson> I get the following error: Error: unable to open display, XBMC needs hardware accelerated OpenGL rendering. Install an appropriate graphics driver.
[20:20] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Wait what... 12V and pi PWM connected?
[20:21] <mpthompson> Any ideas on how to get XBMC to discover the right drivers whereever they might be?
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[20:23] <Arch-RPi> mpthompson: you cant reverse engineer what openelec and raspbmc are doing?
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[20:24] <mpthompson> Arch-RPI, I was hoping that is what Obsys did to get XBMC running under Raspbian. I was trying to take a shortcut.
[20:25] <zarac> I'm trying to create the arch linux prepared sd card. When i try to boot the rpi i get a solid red light. How can i, in arch linux, mount sd card too see that it looks ok?
[20:25] <mpthompson> I'm now one step closer. I get: XBMC cannot run unless the screen color depth is at least 24 bit. I'll check into that.
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[20:25] <Arch-RPi> mpthompson: i understand but no one was saying anything...i just figured it would be faster to see how they are doing it
[20:26] <mpthompson> Arch-RPI. No problem. Thanks. Any idea on the config.txt setting for 24 bit color?
[20:26] <ReggieUK> should be able to set that with fbset
[20:26] <sraue> mpthompson first use: https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc-rbp/ instead a normal xbmc release, then there are some threads in the raspberry-pi.org forum how to build xbmc, maybe this will help you?
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[20:27] <Joshun> zarac - do you want to mount the image or the actual sd card?
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[20:27] <mpthompson> sraue, thanks. That is what I built from. I'm just running into my own limits of getting things running under a GUI. Getting closer though.
[20:27] <zarac> the sd card
[20:28] <zarac> wait
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[20:28] <zarac> i dd'ed the zip.. ;&
[20:28] <Joshun> lol
[20:28] <zarac> i'm still wondering, though :)
[20:28] <Joshun> you'll have a nice corrupted partition table now
[20:28] <Arch-RPi> lol
[20:29] <Joshun> has any one tested openelec yet?
[20:29] <Joshun> i wonder how it would work without hardware accelerated x
[20:29] <Arch-RPi> Joshun: lots have
[20:29] <sraue> mpthompson, dont know if xbmc for rpi will ork if you have a running xorg
[20:29] <zarac> doesn't it get fixed when i dd?
[20:29] <Joshun> yeah
[20:29] <Joshun> it overwrites the whole device
[20:30] <mpthompson> sraue, OK. I may have to wait around for Obsys to show up... I sent him an email so I'll get to the bottom of it eventually.
[20:30] <sraue> Joshun, it uses opengles and runs in framebuffer, so a accelerated framebuffer
[20:30] <Joshun> oh
[20:30] <Joshun> i'd imagine that would be quite fast then
[20:31] <zarac> :)
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[20:32] <Joshun> are there any web browsers in frame buffer?
[20:32] <oldtopman> Joshun: "links"
[20:32] <Joshun> with graphical support
[20:33] <oldtopman> Oh :y
[20:33] * oldtopman doesn't know of any'
[20:33] <Joshun> links is good though
[20:33] <Joshun> if your just doing casual browsing
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[20:34] <Arch-RPi> anyone know how to get the mouse curser going in non xorg mode?
[20:34] <RoyK> any idea how long it usually takes to get a board from RS? "(Despatch expected within 9week(s))"
[20:35] <zarac> yay it's booting :0
[20:35] <zarac> i think..
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[20:35] <IT_Sean> RoyK, impossible to tell.
[20:35] <IT_Sean> You can expect it within 9 weeks.
[20:36] <RoyK> or 10 or 11, since desptach should mean shipping
[20:36] <IT_Sean> Or 36
[20:36] <RoyK> hopefully not ;)
[20:36] <Sash> mine was shipped on friday, I assume thats when they got their batch. I think all of them are already on the way or arrived. so you will need to wait for next ship to arrive
[20:37] * RoyK got this email june 20
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[20:37] <zarac> i got mine today ;0
[20:37] <zarac> in sweden..
[20:37] <RoyK> ordered when?
[20:38] * RoyK is in .no
[20:38] <zarac> a while back
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[20:38] <zarac> well not too long
[20:38] <Joshun> Arch-RPi - not sure, doesn't FreeBSD do this by default
[20:38] <RoyK> heh - define "a while" ;)
[20:38] <zarac> some months
[20:38] <RoyK> k
[20:38] <zarac> april maybe
[20:38] <zarac> :)
[20:38] <zarac> may even
[20:38] <zarac> dunno
[20:39] <bishun> is there any way to partition unused space in debian pi, using a 8gb sd card
[20:39] <RoyK> partitioning is usually the same across platforms
[20:39] <Arch-RPi> bishun: gparted
[20:39] <Arch-RPi> from another computer is best
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[20:40] <bishun> ok
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> bishun, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
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[20:40] <Sash> bishun: use gparted to expand the last partition
[20:40] <bishun> thanks
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> do it live on the device. you'll be fine.
[20:40] <bishun> gordonDrogon that link is exactly what i was looking for thanks
[20:40] <Joshun> wouldn't it say partition in use or something
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, no - you have to take care and get the numbers right, but it's an ok thing to do.
[20:41] <reider59> Here`s a clip on repartitioning the image empty space.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4VovMDnsIE&feature=plcp
[20:41] <Joshun> oh
[20:41] <Joshun> gparted does but that's probably just a safety feature
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> I tend to favour using separate programs for the separate actions.
[20:43] <Arch-RPi> Joshun: ahhhh its gpm
[20:43] <zarac> hmm.. about how long do i stare at nothing on first boot? (all lights are now solid)
[20:43] <Arch-RPi> tough it oulddbe harder to ind
[20:43] <Arch-RPi> err thought
[20:43] <ReggieUK> as long as you feel comfortable staring at it
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[20:44] <zarac> :)
[20:44] <ReggieUK> if all lights are solid, leave it alone :D
[20:44] <ReggieUK> ok light means sd card activity
[20:44] <zarac> swwt
[20:44] <zarac> :)
[20:44] <zarac> sweet*
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> just working thought my own setup pages for Wheezy. It's a little different, so I'll update them.
[20:44] <Joshun> btw, what does OK actually stand for on the lights
[20:45] <Joshun> or is it literally just ok
[20:45] <ReggieUK> it's sd card activity
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> it's 2 things. One is 'ok' the other is sd card activity.
[20:45] <Joshun> oh
[20:45] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, oh? I read through the drivers and it seemed to be tied directly to mmc
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> the mode is inverted - in that it goes out when it's accessing the SD - unlike a normal PC when it would light up.
[20:45] <ReggieUK> it can be reconfigured
[20:46] <Joshun> i wondered why it was always on when the system was idle
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, I may be mistaken then - but the net effect is the same, just inverted compared to a normal PC's hdd LED.
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[20:46] <ReggieUK> mine only lights up when the card is accessed
[20:46] <ReggieUK> It's been a week since I turned it on
[20:46] <ReggieUK> maybe I imagined it :D
[20:46] <Joshun> maybe it has different firmware to mine
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> it's off..
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> aargh. it's flipped!
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> it's normally off now - I'm absolutely positive that when I first got it, it was the other way round.
[20:47] <zarac> mine are all still on :)
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[20:48] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's the kernel options I've picked, or just the kernel.
[20:48] <ReggieUK> how long has it been solid?
[20:48] <Arch-RPi> ReggieUK: why is yours off?
[20:48] <zarac> 14 minutes. Is this really normal?
[20:48] <ReggieUK> probably safe to reboot then zarac
[20:48] <zarac> ok. is it normal it doesn't boot on first try?
[20:49] <ReggieUK> on 2 that I've done, one booted through ok, the other one didn't
[20:49] <zarac> sweet now it started instantly
[20:49] <Joshun> does mplayer framebuffer work on the pi?
[20:49] <zarac> thanks
[20:49] <ReggieUK> only difference was the sd card
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[20:50] <ReggieUK> Joshun, if it doesn't you can always try it with sdl
[20:51] <Joshun> i'm just wondering whether it would have better performance
[20:51] <ReggieUK> than what?
[20:51] <Joshun> through xorg
[20:51] <ReggieUK> from cmdline?
[20:52] <Joshun> yeah
[20:52] <ReggieUK> yeah, if the processor hasn't got to do X stuff then there's more left over for mplayer
[20:52] <ReggieUK> but it'll probably be slow
[20:53] <ReggieUK> as it will not be acellerated at all
[20:53] <ReggieUK> you can get better performance by using other libs but ymmv
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[20:55] <Sash> are there any documentation about the error codes of the ok light? I did an upgrade of the os, now it does not boot anymore. the ok light is off ~1 sec and flashing 5 or 6 times in another ~1 sec. what could be wrong?
[20:55] <Sash> screen is black with the rpi logo
[20:56] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Power_.2F_Start-up
[20:56] <ReggieUK> issue with start.elf by the looks of it
[20:56] <Sash> ReggieUK: perfect, thats what I was looking for
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[21:01] <Joshun> whats the best performance video library?
[21:01] <ReggieUK> no idea :)
[21:01] <Joshun> on the mplayer wiki it says it will work with directfb and svgalib
[21:01] <ReggieUK> libmad was a reasonable mp3 codec that was better than the built in
[21:02] <ReggieUK> but as for video, no idea
[21:02] <Joshun> i use ocp for sound anyway
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[21:03] <_root____> hi, can anyone help me with a small query around firmware on the pi?
[21:04] <_root____> I have the standard debian squeeze distro installed. I've updated using apt-get update && apt-get upgrade without problems, however, can't seem to get the rpi-updater to work. Can someone please explain what the firmware upgrade is actually doing, is it something on the SD card or something on a chip on the pi?
[21:06] <Joshun> _root____ - it just overwrites the firmware files on the fat32 partition, on the sd card
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[21:06] <_root____> ah, ok, is there any way to check what my current version is?
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[21:07] <Joshun> not sure what the firmware is packaged under
[21:07] <_root____> assuming that's my /boot partition then?
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[21:08] <Joshun> assuming the firmware is distributed via the repositories, you could do apt-cache show to find out what version it is
[21:08] <Joshun> i'm not sure what the package is called though
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[21:08] <Joshun> apt-cache show rapsberrypi-firmware
[21:08] <Joshun> i think
[21:09] <_root____> ok, its running......
[21:09] <_root____> hmm, root@pi:~# apt-cache show rapsberrypi-firmware
[21:09] <_root____> N: Unable to locate package rapsberrypi-firmware
[21:09] <_root____> E: No packages found
[21:09] <_root____> root@pi:~#
[21:09] <Joshun> must have a different name
[21:10] <Joshun> thats the name under arch i think, not sure what it is for debian
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[21:10] <_root____> hmm, ok with have a google, thanks for your help Joshun
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[21:11] <Joshun> _root____ are you on wheezy or squeeze?
[21:11] <_root____> squeeze
[21:11] <Joshun> i think it is done through rpi-update on squeeze
[21:11] <Arch-RPi> _root____: i believe you need to install rpi-update...use google and look for rpi-update hexxeh
[21:11] <_root____> yeah, thats what I've tried, but bricked the SD card, wouldn't boot
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[21:11] <Reedy> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[21:12] <_root____> can I use rpi-update to just check without doing anything?
[21:12] <Joshun> wheezy/raspbian seems be more stable
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[21:12] <Joshun> you could restore it from the image
[21:12] <Joshun> by extracting the firmware and copying it back on
[21:12] <_root____> how do I go about extracting the firmware?
[21:13] <mpthompson> Question regarding XBMC. Have people been able to use it with a DVI monitor? Looking at the log files it seems XBMC want to set HDMI mode, but it looks like the call is rejected as I have a DVI monitor. Unfortunately, it seems to make a difference to XBMC.
[21:13] <Joshun> _root____ - is your main pc linux or windows?
[21:14] <Arch-RPi> mpthompson: you using a hdmi to dvi converter right? it "should" still work
[21:14] <_root____> windows and linux, I've a few on the go
[21:14] <mpthompson> Yes, an HDMI to DVI converter.
[21:14] <Joshun> under linux, you could mount it
[21:14] <Joshun> by making a new directory (e.g. called mount)
[21:14] <mpthompson> Arch-RPi: In the log file I get: ERROR: EGL failed to return any matching configurations: 1
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[21:15] <_root____> ok, so mount the (potentially) broker SD card and then just copy back in the boot files that I backup before running rpi-updater?
[21:15] <Joshun> and doing 'sudo mount -o loop path/to/image mount'
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[21:15] <Joshun> if you mount the original image
[21:15] <Joshun> and just copy the firmware from it
[21:16] <Joshun> if i can find where i've saved it i could do it for you
[21:16] <Joshun> if licencing will permit
[21:16] <Joshun> *licensing
[21:16] <_root____> ok, sounds like a plan. thanks. I've seen a couple of forum entries where they say the /boot folder was empty after an rpi-update and when they copied stuff back in it still didn't boot, I'm assuming the rpi-updater on touches the /boot folder and won't screw anything else up on the SD card?
[21:16] <Joshun> yeah everything else should be fine
[21:16] <_root____> ok, good man, thanks.
[21:17] <_root____> so what will the new firmware actually give me over the vanilla one?
[21:17] <Joshun> extracting it will just restore the original firmware
[21:17] <Joshun> before the update
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[21:18] <_root____> so in terms of the backup can I just do a tar cvf /tmp/firmware_backup_04_Jul_2012.tar /boot ?
[21:18] <_root____> and the restore just extract the tar? In the correct mounted directory of course?
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[21:19] <Joshun> i think that would work
[21:19] <Joshun> although not in /tmp
[21:19] <_root____> ok, sounds like a plan
[21:19] <_root____> lol, yeah, may be not
[21:19] <Joshun> that would be cleared on reboot
[21:19] <_root____> this is on my xbmc linux box this one, so will save it somewhere safe ;)
[21:21] <_root____> ok, found this
[21:21] <_root____> root@pi:/boot# /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd version
[21:21] <_root____> Apr 18 2012 14:51:59
[21:21] <_root____> Copyright (c) 2012 Broadcom
[21:21] <_root____> version 310373 (release)
[21:21] <_root____> root@pi:/boot#
[21:21] <Joshun> have you tried extracting the firmware to fix the boot problem
[21:22] <reider59> Can I install a 32 bit Ubuntu on my 64 bit Laptop or does it have to be the 64 bit version?
[21:22] <mjr> You can. I wouldn't, but you can.
[21:22] <reider59> Installing inside Windows
[21:22] <_root____> sorry no, that was on a previous attempt, I've not run rpi-updater since, was just wanted to check what the firmware would give me in terms of improvements?
[21:22] <Joshun> reider59 - that would be fine. 64 bit may be slightly more optimised, it depends what your using it for
[21:23] <Joshun> 64 bit works fine these days
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[21:24] <Joshun> _root____ i think the new firmware had improvements to reading the sd card or something. not exactly sure what though
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[21:24] <_root____> ok, I'll give it a whirl again, thanks for your help again Joshun
[21:25] <Arch-RPi> reider59: it can be either
[21:25] <reider59> Basically just for when I need to work on some linux stuff from Windows, like getting an SD Card ready to use with my Pic Frame. I`ve started downloading 64 bit so I`ll try it and see how it goes. thanks all. I think it may be more useful to keep Ubunto installed. I`m struggling with some things.
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[21:26] <Joshun> is anybody here a debian genius and knows the easiest way to install the recommended packages of an already-installed package?
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[21:28] <reider59> Isn`t it something like sudo apt-get update mypackage?
[21:28] <Joshun> doesn't that just check to see if they are up to date
[21:28] <Joshun> apt-get --reinstall --install-recommends doesn't work
[21:28] <Arch-RPi> what about aptitude?
[21:29] <reider59> I thought update got the recommended packages by default
[21:30] <Joshun> i decided not to install them to save download time
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[21:30] <Joshun> but now i think it would be better to
[21:30] <Joshun> aptitude may be an option actually
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> delete the base package and re-install it?
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> often the base is just a meta-package that just depends on all the others..
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[21:32] <gordonDrogon> e.g. xfce4 isn't really a package as such, just a list of dependancies..
[21:32] <Joshun> yeah that would probably work actually
[21:32] <Joshun> thanks
[21:32] <Joshun> the packages were xorg and lxde
[21:33] <Joshun> (its a minimal image)
[21:35] <Joshun> its doing this whilst compiling a Linux kernel at the same time, wish me luck!
[21:36] <Joshun> ouch df -h says there is only 185 meg left too
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[21:39] <Joshun> is there a way of finding out how much stuff in directories take up
[21:39] <Joshun> not the actual directory file
[21:39] <MrZYX> du -hs dir
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[21:40] <Joshun> oh thanks
[21:40] <mm0zct> might want --max-depth=1
[21:40] <Joshun> is that to prevent recursion
[21:40] <lennard> to prrvent printing the recursion
[21:40] <mm0zct> yeah, du list the size of everything recursively down from where you are
[21:41] <MrZYX> -s already prevents printing it
[21:41] <lennard> du -a --max-depth=1 . <-- my favorite
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> du -sm dir
[21:41] <Joshun> i might alias that actually
[21:41] <lennard> then maybe | sort -g behind
[21:41] <Joshun> as dirusage
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> du -sm * | sort -rn
[21:42] <Joshun> du -smh * | sort -rn
[21:42] <Joshun> i can't read in 1-K blocks :)
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> heh... -m is megabytes -h is 'human readable'.
[21:42] <Joshun> oh
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> so -mh isn't what you want - just -m if you want to pipe it into sort.
[21:43] <Joshun> so -sm is in megabyes then
[21:43] <Joshun> if you had large files wouldn't mh be better
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> odd how different people thing differently - I didn't even regocnise the -hs above!
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[21:44] <reider59> << got Seans` fave here
[21:45] <reider59> spam spam spam
[21:45] <reider59> spam egg n chips
[21:45] <Joshun> alias dirusage='du -sh * | sort -rn'
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[21:46] <reider59> nah spam sandwiches lol
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[21:51] <dwatkins> spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, eggs and spam.
[21:51] <Mike632T> Whopee - Just booted my old VMS workstation image using SIMH on RPi (and I remembered the password!) Amazingly the boot time is almost exactly the same as the real MV3100/76 - so not quick but I don't care!
[21:51] <faj> Hi guys. I just got my pi but I don't have an usb-keyboard. Is there any of the images that have sshd started by default?
[21:52] <aykut> faj, archlinuxarm
[21:52] <reider59> Wheezy does
[21:53] <dwatkins> faj: you could copy over the boot-file which causes ssh to start on the debian image by mounting the image on something else, too
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[21:55] <faj> reider59: are you sure? When I search I just got some guides on how to enable it
[21:55] <_root____> hi hi
[21:56] <dwatkins> accounting for the different mount-point, my suggestion is achieved with this on the Debian image: mv /boot/boot_enable_ssh.rc /boot/boot.rc
[21:56] <faj> aykut: well I hope you're right 'cause that's my first choice
[21:56] <faj> thanks
[21:56] <mm0zct> faj yeah that works, iw as about to say but dwatkins can type faster apparently
[21:56] <dwatkins> :)
[21:56] <_root____> faj, you can do that but you'll have to guess ur ip as it'll use dhcp to get an ip on ur network
[21:56] <aykut> trust me i am an archer and keyboardless too
[21:56] <reider59> Yes. ssh is available to install in the user menu on boot, but it was messed up. they auto added it and forgot to tell folk. The auto install in the menu is a switch for ssh on/off and had to be fixed after release of the beta
[21:56] <dwatkins> ...or nmap the subnet, _root____ ;)
[21:56] <mm0zct> you can ask your router what the ip is though usually
[21:57] <mm0zct> or guess, starting with the ip your current pc got assigned and incrementing the lowest digit
[21:57] <faj> well figuring out the ip isn't really the hardest part lol
[21:57] <dwatkins> nmap would be much easier
[21:58] <_root____> soz, didn't mean to patronize ;)
[21:58] <reider59> I reset my IP to STATIC addressing
[21:58] <reider59> For ethernet and WiFi
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[21:59] <dwatkins> I'm always paranoid that static IP addresses will cause issues, so I tend to set them by MAC address on the DHCP server.
[21:59] <dwatkins> lo and behld, my work VPN router has a static address that I can't change and have to set as an exception on the server.
[22:00] <reider59> Most often with the RasPi STATIC addressic has been my savior but I didn`t need it in wheezy until I used a script to add the WiFi adaptor. It failed to work, even after a reboot. I added STATIC back in a frail attempt, rebooted and it worked.
[22:01] <reider59> *addressing
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[22:03] <lumines> hi guys, I'm very interested in debian for the raspi but i heard it's not very stable
[22:03] <lumines> is that true?
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[22:03] <Joshun> lumines - squeeze does have its annoyances
[22:04] <Joshun> wheezy seems good so far though
[22:04] <reider59> "Reticulating Splines" really trips off the tongue lol. Just saw it whilst installing Ubuntu
[22:04] <lumines> so you would recommend wheezy?
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[22:04] <reider59> I love Wheezy
[22:04] <Joshun> very easy to setup, configure etc
[22:04] <Joshun> better, faster drivers
[22:05] <reider59> fast, fairly reliable
[22:05] <Joshun> sound that actually works without extra config
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> I've just stripped a few 100MB out of wheezy that I didn't want.
[22:05] <lumines> ok, sounds good
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> their installed didn't actually work for me either.
[22:05] <reider59> config menu to take some of the time out of resizing the SD Card etc
[22:06] <Joshun> raspbian is worth a try too
[22:06] <Joshun> but not quite as easy to setup
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> all that crasehd on my install.
[22:06] <Joshun> oooh
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> so I now have a Squeeze, Wheezy and Raspbian.
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> brb.
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[22:10] <gordonDrogon> one thing has royally annoyed me with Wheezy though:
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> they turned on colour prompts for the pi user.
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> muttets.
[22:11] <faj> should dd take forever to put an 200M image to a 8Gb sdcard? It's been taking over 10 min for me now
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[22:11] <gordonDrogon> find it's PID with ps ax, then kill -USR1 <pid>
[22:12] <mm0zct> this sometimes doesn't seem to work for me
[22:12] <mm0zct> (it should print out the progress)
[22:12] <tech2077> whoo
[22:12] <tech2077> step one of intergrated ftdi on pi done
[22:13] <tech2077> i have all the 31AWG wires directly soldered to the SSOP
[22:13] <Joshun> faj - did you run it with bs=6M or something like that
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[22:13] <faj> bs=1M
[22:13] <Joshun> that may take a while
[22:13] <tech2077> now to put it on the pi, then glue it on
[22:14] <Joshun> my sd card took forever though even with dd=12M
[22:14] <Joshun> *bs=12M
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[22:15] <faj> and now it's done, just 'cause I asked...
[22:15] <mjr> probably doesn't really matter much how many megabytes the block size is, once you've gotten into the megabyte range anyway...
[22:15] <mjr> mostly you need to get it High Enough, and sure, a meg or few is good for that
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[22:16] <mm0zct> tech2077: I think I've missed context on what you are doing with the ftdi chip?
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[22:17] <mm0zct> using it to add a usb interface to the uart? or something else?
[22:17] <solar_sea> Are there any other docs for programming the arm of the pi, besides the broadcom's released peripherals one ?
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[22:19] <gordonDrogon> solar_sea, not really - is it the periphrals progrmaming, or ARM assembler in general?
[22:20] <solar_sea> more on the first likely, I can find info on the arm assembler itself. I really, really don't want to look at any GPL code for examples ;)
[22:20] <_root____> ok, firmware updated, worrying error though, anyone seen this before?
[22:20] <_root____> root@pi:~# rpi-update
[22:20] <_root____> Raspberry Pi firmware updater by Hexxeh, enhanced by AndrewS
[22:20] <_root____> Performing self-update
[22:20] <_root____> Autodetecting memory split
[22:20] <_root____> Using ARM/GPU memory split of 224MB/32MB
[22:20] <_root____> We're running for the first time
[22:20] <_root____> Setting up firmware (this will take a few minutes)
[22:20] <_root____> Using SoftFP libraries
[22:20] <_root____> If no errors appeared, your firmware was successfully setup
[22:20] <_root____> A reboot is needed to activate the new firmware
[22:20] <_root____> root@pi:~#
[22:20] <_root____> vcfiled: error while loading shared libraries: libvchiq_arm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[22:21] <_root____> "/opt/vc/sbin/vcfiled: error while loading shared libraries: libvchiq_arm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[22:21] <_root____> root@pi:~# rpi-update
[22:21] <_root____> Raspberry Pi firmware updater by Hexxeh, enhanced by AndrewS
[22:21] <_root____> Performing self-update
[22:21] <_root____> Autodetecting memory split
[22:21] <_root____> Using ARM/GPU memory split of 224MB/32MB
[22:21] <_root____> We're running for the first time
[22:21] <_root____> Setting up firmware (this will take a few minutes)
[22:21] <_root____> Using SoftFP libraries"
[22:21] <_root____> "/opt/vc/sbin/vcfiled: error while loading shared libraries: libvchiq_arm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[22:21] <_root____> If no errors appeared, your firmware was successfully setup
[22:21] <_root____> A reboot is needed to activate the new firmware
[22:21] <_root____> root@pi:~#
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> solar_sea, well the peripherals manual it is then... I found it OK when I did wiringPi - the one thing missing is the section on the clock programming though.
[22:21] <megatog615> woah
[22:21] <megatog615> pastebin
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[22:36] <pi_iglet> Moo
[22:37] <Lartza> Kind of lame... can only run 900/400/450
[22:37] <pi_iglet> moo
[22:37] <Lartza> CPU could be higher but I've heard it starts to become unstable there
[22:37] <Lartza> GPU if I raise to 450 OpenELEC will not boot it will go to a black screen after the splash
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[22:42] <tech2077> mm0zct, i'm adding a ftdi chip to the RasPi over the micro-usb connection
[22:43] <mm0zct> ah, the saame one that powers it yes?
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[22:45] <booyaa|pi> tech2077: is this your own work or is there a wiki page detailing?
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[22:45] <Lartza> Anyone got UnNetHack to compile?
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[22:46] <SpeedEvil> ##nethack
[22:46] <SpeedEvil> Or maybe #
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, what's the difference between unnethack and nethack?
[22:47] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, unnethack is still developed
[22:47] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: blue caps.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:47] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, It's like sporkhack or slashem
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[22:47] <SpeedEvil> nethack is still developed! I got a fix in the most recent version!
[22:47] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:47] <Lartza> More like sporkhack
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> can't think why it wouldn't compile then if it's the same curses-like of nethack...
[22:47] <Lartza> Yeah
[22:47] <Lartza> It stopped at an error I am trying it again in a bit
[22:48] <Lartza> And getting a stable release now if there is one
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> years and years since I looked at playing anything like that though...
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[22:49] <svenstaro> yayayay my pi arrived and it is running arch like a champ :D
[22:49] <booyaa|pi> \o/
[22:49] <svenstaro> yay
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[22:49] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Maybe because I was missing libncurses5-dev before :)
[22:50] <Lartza> configure didn't catch that though...
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[22:51] <booyaa|pi> anyone else using debian squeeze?
[22:51] <svenstaro> lol debian
[22:51] <booyaa|pi> are there any contrib or experimental repos i can add?
[22:51] <Syliss> I'm using puppi
[22:51] <booyaa|pi> i'm trying my darnest to avoid compiling stuff
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[22:58] <booyaa|pi> heh netsplit?
[22:59] <tech2077> booyaa|pi, as far as i know, i'm the first one
[22:59] <tech2077> the wiring is hell though
[22:59] <reider59> well done sven
[22:59] <tech2077> need to let the glue set for a bit before i start soldering again
[22:59] <Syliss> ive been here the whole time???. hahaha
[22:59] <booyaa|pi> tech2077: let me know when you've written it up!
[22:59] <Syliss> i was the turkey the whole time!
[23:00] <tech2077> i'll write it up in the next day or two :)
[23:00] <tech2077> i got on hackaday once, wonder it i can make it again :P
[23:00] <_root____> sorry to be nosey, but what are you the first on?
[23:00] <Super_Dog> Anybody tried raspbmc? I'm getting port errors. Are wireless USB keyboards bad news?
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[23:01] <svenstaro> booyaa|pi: y u no compile stuff?
[23:01] <booyaa|pi> Super_Dog: there's a list of compatible hardwire i believe wireless keyboards are listed
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[23:01] <booyaa|pi> svenstaro: lazy
[23:02] <booyaa|pi> svenstaro: will have to soon because i need to give node.js a go and mono is a bit old
[23:02] <reider59> my MS one appears ok
[23:02] <booyaa|pi> !wiki
[23:02] <booyaa|pi> no helper bot?
[23:02] <reider59> pro1view
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[23:03] <booyaa|pi> right i'm done for now
[23:03] <reider59> oops, son asking about one of my monitors in skype, miskeyed and spelt wrong anyway
[23:03] <Super_Dog> wow....
[23:04] <Super_Dog> Looks like its installing now.... Have no idea why...
[23:04] <Super_Dog> :-)
[23:04] <booyaa|pi> :D winning!
[23:04] <Syliss> ugh, i hope dx ships fast-ish
[23:04] <booyaa|pi> dx?
[23:04] <Super_Dog> Using wireless HP Elite Keyboard...
[23:04] <Syliss> dealextreme
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[23:05] <booyaa|pi> i heart using my rpi like a shell account :D
[23:05] <Syliss> ordered this for my lap dock
[23:05] <Syliss> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/micro-usb-female-to-micro-male-female-adapter-cable-for-blackberry-9900-black-30cm-107901
[23:05] <Super_Dog> I must have installed raspbmc image five times until it started running the darn install / partition format... Weird...
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[23:05] <booyaa|pi> planning on getting the wifi dongle to work though... i want to see (hidden with the router at the mo)
[23:06] <booyaa|pi> Syliss: sweet! you need micro usb for the lapdock?
[23:06] <Syliss> yes
[23:06] <booyaa|pi> ouch
[23:06] <Syliss> well yeah, its made for android phones
[23:07] <Syliss> but that cable will help power the pi while plugging in the keyboard/mouse/hub
[23:08] <Syliss> but that should cable should be perfect
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[23:09] <svenstaro> the pi doesnt have any sensors on board does it?
[23:09] <svenstaro> like chip temp or voltage?
[23:10] <Syliss> i do not think so
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[23:12] <frankivo> svenstaro: dont see anything in /proc
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[23:13] <reider59> I have to type in a terminal mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdc1 -L PARROT but the SD Card is sdb so I changed it to suit. The drive program built into Ubuntu 12.04 reports it as sdb so I don`t think that`s the problem. The lock tab is set to unlocked but I get "Permission denied while trying to determine filesystem size", any ideas?
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[23:15] <reider59> Its presently formatted as EXT2
[23:16] <Billiard> in: 0.1"f capacitor. what does the " mean?
[23:16] <pi_iglet> Just trying this IRC client. If this writing to the channel?
[23:16] <pi_iglet> is*
[23:16] <faj> yep
[23:17] <pi_iglet> thanks :) not used to a command line client!
[23:17] <reider59> its only setting the File system label to PARROT by the looks of it. Sure I can do that if it`s already EXT2
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[23:19] <megatog615> Syliss: blackberry uses a different usb pinout iirc
[23:19] <Syliss> doesn't matter, i just need it for power and ill separate the date lines
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[23:20] <Syliss> ill test it before i use it
[23:20] <megatog615> Syliss: as in the power lines are different
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[23:20] <megatog615> Syliss: i have bought usb cables designed for blackberries on accident before
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[23:21] <Syliss> well i do have another cable coming that i can use just in case
[23:21] <oldtopman> reider59: What seems to be the problem?
[23:21] <reider59> just a sec, might be su
[23:21] <oldtopman> What?
[23:21] * oldtopman thinks he may know the source of your woes
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[23:26] <reider59> OK, didn`t work, got "is apparently in use by system" this time when signed in as SU. I guess it needs unmounting first. The problem is I have to format it as EXT2 and give it the label of PARROT. Initially it refused, something about size. Then as SU it allowed it but gave the warning to the left in this message.
[23:26] <Syliss> megatog615: was it mini or micro you bought?
[23:26] <megatog615> Syliss: micro
[23:27] <megatog615> actually, it wasn't my accident, the company i bought it from sent me the wrong thing
[23:27] <megatog615> so i tried it anyway and it would not charge my android phone
[23:27] <Syliss> well I've been looking around its not the cable
[23:27] <Syliss> what phone do/did you have?
[23:28] <oldtopman> reider59: I would reccomend installing gparted, but I here's how you do it your way :)
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[23:29] <oldtopman> reider59: "sudo umount /dev/sdc1" "sudo mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdc1 -L PARROT"
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[23:31] <reider59> no medium found while trying to determine filesystem size
[23:31] <reider59> round n round in ever decreasing circles
[23:33] <Super_Dog> Cool... raspbmc is now installing from Internet source after fifth try.... Cross fingers it completes.
[23:34] <Super_Dog> Seems as if server problem may be fixed....
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[23:35] <Super_Dog> I'm now at 22% downloading new XBMC build inside the initial raspbmc setup.
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[23:49] <djp_> got openvpn working, however i can't send email. i gather it's a port issue. does anyone have any idea how to get around this save keep stopping openvpn when i want to send an email?
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[23:50] <SpeedEvil> What do you mean by can't send email.
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> Do you mean you cannot connect to your preferred mailserver, as it's going through the VPN, and you're not authenticating properly dou to being on the wrong net?
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[23:53] <djp_> SpeedEvil: i gather so. basically if i stop the vpn then i can send email. if i start it i can't.
[23:53] <djp_> SpeedEvil: port 25 is being used to send email i believe
[23:53] <Lartza> Yes! Unnethack running on my Pi
[23:54] <Lartza> after being compiled by the Pi
[23:54] <Lartza> Now my Pi can do everything
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[23:55] <Toneloc> not for education, but for hobbyists, perhaps a pi beater?>> http://www.olimex.com/dev/imx233-olinuxino-micro.html
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[23:55] <SpeedEvil> djp_: Couple of possibilities.
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[23:56] <Toneloc> I know you could buy a cheap android tablet for twice the money though...
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> djp_: A) you're sending through your ISPs mailserver - which is not authenticating you because you're now coming through the wrong VPN side.
[23:56] <Toneloc> the fact that it has 60 GPIO broken out is sweet I think
[23:56] <iBooyaa> only 64mb
[23:56] <iBooyaa> though
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> Solution - punch a direct route to the mailserver address not going through the VPN
[23:56] <Toneloc> Yeah, I know :(
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> Or make it so that port 25 doesn't go through the VPN using rules - iptables/...
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[23:57] <iBooyaa> or Ethernet if it had USB then could be useful is it cheap?
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> B) you're sending direct to hosts , and your VPN provider doesn't allow port 25 out
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> Solution: Fix that/pay them.
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[23:57] <Toneloc> I like the idea of lots of GPIO that you can control directly from linux
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[23:58] <iBooyaa> Toneloc: useful to me I reckon a crazy gpio freak like you would love it
[23:58] <iBooyaa> ;)
[23:58] <iBooyaa> no offense
[23:58] <Toneloc> hey, none taken
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[23:59] <ReggieUK> and it's arm9 not arm11 :)
[23:59] <iBooyaa> not bad price point would it run the Debian armel or os it bespoke?
[23:59] <iBooyaa> why is that good? less bugs or

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