#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-07-05

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[0:00] <iBooyaa> power consumption?
[0:00] <djp_> SpeedEvil: thanks. my isp only uses port 25, which might be the issue. though i'm using a third-party smtp address which uses a different port. i gather however i'm still going via my isp?
[0:00] <iBooyaa> totally new to arm chips
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[0:00] <SpeedEvil> What is your mail transfer agent.
[0:00] <ReggieUK> well, no, it's not good as in it's a step backwards in processor over the pi
[0:00] <djp_> SpeedEvil: using ssmtp/sendmail
[0:01] <Toneloc> I like the price point, only needs tv, keyboard and wall wart , sd card and you are good to go
[0:01] <ReggieUK> pi = arm11, olinuxino = arm9
[0:01] <SpeedEvil> djp_: Are you directly delivering, or relaying through your ISP
[0:01] <PinkieSense> Hi guys - is anybody hosting a git rep on his/her raspi? I am a bit lost on how to set the whole thing up... ssh vs. https, for example
[0:01] <ReggieUK> sure, with those features it kind of equals the low spec side of pi
[0:01] <djp_> SpeedEvil: i believe i'm probably relaying
[0:01] <Toneloc> the 60 GPIO beats the PI
[0:02] <iBooyaa> yeah
[0:02] <ReggieUK> looks like it'll be reasonably well supported though
[0:02] <Toneloc> If you are a GPIO sort of a guy
[0:02] <iBooyaa> night guys
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[0:02] <ReggieUK> night
[0:03] <Toneloc> 'night
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[0:03] <hamitron> it is?
[0:03] * hamitron looks out of window
[0:03] <Toneloc> another version>>
[0:03] <Toneloc> http://www.olimex.com/dev/imx233-olinuxino-mini.html
[0:04] <djp_> SpeedEvil: SpeedEvil basically i've configured ssmtp.conf and pointed it to the smtp address of the third-party, but i gather everything goes via my isp?
[0:05] <Toneloc> ReggieUK- do you think once you would get linux on that board, that it would be possible to control the GPIO via a C program within linux ?
[0:05] <ReggieUK> certainly
[0:05] <SpeedEvil> djp_: Couple of possble issues. Firstly - your third party may not allow connections from the VPN, for whatever reason, or may not let you authenticate from there. Or you are trying to send mail from an address which it doesn't like.
[0:05] <Toneloc> I mean, does such a thing exist for the PI ?
[0:05] <ReggieUK> pretty pointless making the board otherwise :)
[0:05] <ReggieUK> it sure does
[0:05] <SpeedEvil> djp_: telnet smtp.provider.com 25 - and see if you can connect
[0:05] <Toneloc> well, you could just put your own system on it
[0:05] <Toneloc> without linux
[0:06] <Toneloc> I heard you could control GPIO from linux using Phython, but never heard about C
[0:06] <SpeedEvil> you can use anything that can talk to the kernel.
[0:06] <SpeedEvil> Over the right interfaces.
[0:06] <SpeedEvil> So basically, any language.
[0:07] <ReggieUK> but as for 'putting your own system on it without linux' is not as easy as just articulating it :)
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[0:07] <Toneloc> sure- I wouldnt be on for doing it!:P
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> Toneloc, GPIO from C is easy.
[0:08] <Toneloc> gordonDragon-how dould you make a Pin high?
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> in my world, digitalWrite (pin, 1) ;
[0:09] <Toneloc> I mean would it be something like P!OUT=0x01; ?
[0:09] <ReggieUK> it's a cornerstone for most embedded (linux) systems, accessing pins/functions from C
[0:09] <Toneloc> *P1OUT=0x01;
[0:09] <djp_> SpeedEvil: the third-party is providing the vpn service and also my email.
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> Toneloc, it all depends on the underlying GPIO hardware/register set.
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> this isn't Pi, is it?
[0:10] <Toneloc> on the PI, how is it done?
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> well, you have a set of 32-bit registers. you need to read/modify/write them.
[0:10] <mm0zct> they are mapped to a memory mapped register
[0:10] <mm0zct> in GPIO mode, one sets, one clears, and one reads
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> Actually, on the PI, you don.t
[0:11] <mm0zct> thre are other's to configure them
[0:11] <mm0zct> you don't?
[0:11] <mm0zct> :s
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> There are 2 sets of registers, one to set the hight, one to set lot.
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> I've got ATmegas in my head for some readon.
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> bad typos tonight.
[0:11] <mm0zct> was there something wrong with my description/
[0:12] <mm0zct> because that's how I've been using them :p
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> however you may still need to read/modigy/write, else you might change other bits.
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> what software have you been using, mm0zct ?
[0:12] <mm0zct> C
[0:12] <mm0zct> with a little macro magic to make life easier
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> write your own or using a library?
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> ah, the macros ..
[0:13] <mm0zct> my own, using some macros and init code from public examples
[0:13] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[0:13] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a sort of arduino-like package for the Pi.
[0:13] <Toneloc> is there anywhere I can see some example code of doing some GPIO stuff with the PI ?
[0:13] <SpeedEvil> djp_: Check that you are trying to send from an authorised email address. If you're trying to send from you@myisp.com, not you@myvpn.com - it will normally fail.
[0:13] <mm0zct> you can set/clear pins in bulk with the macros
[0:14] <mm0zct> Toneloc: what language?
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> or go to the downloads and get the code...
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> it's all C.
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> My code won't be as efficient as using macros to poke the registers directly, but it's fast enough for the Pi.
[0:16] <tech2077> YES!!
[0:16] <tech2077> it works
[0:16] <tech2077> through all the hellish soldering
[0:16] <tech2077> it now works
[0:16] <mm0zct> :) cool, I don't think I'll be soldering straight to my Pi any time soon
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> this the fttc board?
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> doh. ftdi.
[0:16] <tech2077> gordonDrogon, SSOP ftdi chip
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[0:17] <gordonDrogon> excellent.
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> got photos?
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[0:17] <tech2077> yeah
[0:17] <Toneloc> Yeah, C
[0:17] <tech2077> writing up a post on it soon
[0:17] <ReggieUK> what've you done tech2077? :)
[0:17] <mm0zct> Toneloc: if you want some examples just with the macros and initialising the pins pm me
[0:18] <djp_> SpeedEvil: yes, using correct email address. i think it maybe my ssmtp config file. if i've got this right i think i would need to use ssl in order to use port 465 as tls uses port 25. openvpn blocks port 25. i'm not sure if i can use ssl with ssmtp though?
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> no need to pm - keep it all open. Gert/Doms code is already open.
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> and all my stuff is GPL.
[0:19] <mm0zct> it's based on that, I just wasn't going to neaten it up if there wasn't interest
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> :)
[0:19] <mm0zct> I'll publish it all eventually, I'm just waiting on some components ebfore I can get what I'm doing working
[0:20] <mm0zct> when it works, i can write it up
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[0:20] <gordonDrogon> going to be lots of choice - I noticed someone else on the forums publishing some code too.
[0:20] <tech2077> ReggieUK, my RasPi now has a built in ftdi chip
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> shame he stole all my GPL code without even givine me a mention, but that's that.
[0:20] <tech2077> so no more using up two usb ports
[0:20] <ReggieUK> oh nice :)
[0:21] <mm0zct> I'll put some credit in my header ;)
[0:21] <ReggieUK> I've got some ftdi chips sitting here
[0:21] <ReggieUK> and some 28ssop blank breakouts
[0:21] <tech2077> ReggieUK, no breakout :D
[0:21] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, so you created a 3rd usb port on the pi?
[0:21] <ReggieUK> have you deadbugged it?
[0:21] <ReggieUK> actually, I'll just wait for the photos :D
[0:21] <tech2077> gordonDrogon, no, it's directly attached to the onboard usb port
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[0:22] <tech2077> wait for the photos
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, ok..
[0:22] <ReggieUK> I'm intrigued
[0:22] <mm0zct> gordonDrogon: it's on the micro usb power port I think
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[0:23] <tech2077> luckily, they are pretty clear
[0:24] <tech2077> worth spending an hour to make a point and shoot look nicer on manual
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[0:27] <ReggieUK> an hour?
[0:28] <ReggieUK> Toneloc, those olimex boards do look quite nice for the stuff you can do on them
[0:28] <Syliss> i should have ordered this for the lap dock, http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9614
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[0:29] <tech2077> Raspberry
[0:29] <Syliss> the only thing i don't like about those olimex boards is the ram
[0:29] <tech2077> hmm
[0:29] <tech2077> https://plus.google.com/photos/115307751272338145380/albums/5761443135225675217?authkey=CJnPsIK5ndbE9QE
[0:30] <Syliss> i wish i was good at soldering
[0:31] <tech2077> i sadly had a bad iron, but with a LOT of luck no pins broke
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[0:31] <ReggieUK> Syliss, practice :)
[0:31] <ReggieUK> and youtube
[0:31] <zeeZ> I would solder a crater all over the thing
[0:31] <ReggieUK> and don't forget, the pictures are what you see after all the mess has been cleaned up
[0:31] <Syliss> oh i know
[0:31] <ReggieUK> tech2077, are there any caps etc. in that circuit?
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[0:32] <tech2077> ReggieUK, nope, but i've tested it
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[0:32] <ReggieUK> and as there a specific reason you tapped tp2?
[0:32] <ReggieUK> is*
[0:32] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[0:32] <tech2077> mainly since it's more open
[0:32] <ReggieUK> ok, so you were aware of the 'nc' pins as described on the wiki are actually connected to things that might've been useful
[0:33] <tech2077> yes
[0:33] <ReggieUK> cool beans :)
[0:33] <tech2077> schematics were useful
[0:34] <mm0zct> I should check the schematics for that...
[0:34] <mm0zct> I've just been avoiding touching the dnc pins
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> Ah, I see. You're actually using the micro usb for the serial as well as power now.
[0:34] <tech2077> yep
[0:34] <ReggieUK> designed a pcb in eagle but the other way round
[0:34] <tech2077> like a beaglebone
[0:34] <ReggieUK> so the ftdi was connected to the pi uart pins
[0:34] <tech2077> yep
[0:35] <tech2077> i would have done some better routing, but they would break off with anything fancy
[0:35] <Toneloc> wouldnt it be possible to add more ram if you really wanted?
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[0:35] <tech2077> likely not
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[0:36] <tech2077> since it's a chip on chip
[0:36] <Syliss> bbl
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[0:36] <ReggieUK> Toneloc, yes
[0:36] <Toneloc> ah, ok- not external
[0:36] <ReggieUK> depending on the cpu support for ram
[0:37] <plugwash> adding more ram to the Pi would likely be very tricky because afaict the ram is managed by the GPU
[0:37] <plugwash> so new firmware would likely be needed even if you did have the skills/equipment to replace the PoP memory chip
[0:37] <Toneloc> for olimex, not pi :)
[0:37] <ReggieUK> plugwash, he was talking about the olimex board (64MB)
[0:37] <plugwash> ahh sorry
[0:38] <tech2077> oh
[0:38] <ReggieUK> although......
[0:38] <tech2077> the olimex board looks great
[0:38] <tech2077> want a few of them
[0:38] <ReggieUK> I've been eying up the pop on teh pi recently
[0:38] <ReggieUK> eyeing*
[0:38] <tech2077> looks like a pretty nasty hack
[0:39] <ReggieUK> which?
[0:39] <tech2077> switching out the PoP ram
[0:39] <tech2077> removing it while baking
[0:39] <ReggieUK> I'm kind of generalising but it doesn't look too bad
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[0:40] <tech2077> wouldn't risk it without a backup pi
[0:41] <ReggieUK> not sure I'd attempt to 'bake' it off :)
[0:41] <tech2077> heatgun seems worse
[0:41] <Toneloc> could you use a olimex board to make a super fast, bus pirate?
[0:41] <tech2077> localized heat
[0:41] <tech2077> Toneloc, yes
[0:42] <Toneloc> I mean, you could cut out the whole usb part
[0:42] <Toneloc> and use GPIO directly
[0:42] <tech2077> the bus blaster is better though
[0:42] <tech2077> fpga beats gpio sampling
[0:42] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: got a one line fix for wiringpi.h for you :)
[0:42] <ReggieUK> not sure why localised heat would be an issue, that's kind of the point of a rework station
[0:42] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: #include <stdlib.h>
[0:42] <mervaka> :D
[0:43] <ReggieUK> controlled temperature/air flow
[0:43] <Toneloc> I wonder though, would running linux on it, tie it up too much and make it less deterministic
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, Hm. I don't seem to need that in my systems.
[0:43] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: fixes a warning i get for malloc
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, I am aware of bugs in the gpio.c program though.
[0:43] <tech2077> i want a rework station
[0:43] <ReggieUK> I reflowed the 25Mhz crystal without scorching anything
[0:43] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: havent looked at gpio.c :/
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, what system did you compile it on?
[0:43] <tech2077> ReggieUK, dead osc?
[0:43] <ReggieUK> it's fine if you cover stuff with foil/kapton tape
[0:44] <ReggieUK> yeah, dead osc
[0:44] <mervaka> ah, x86 :p
[0:44] <mervaka> sorry
[0:44] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, :)
[0:44] <mervaka> i'm not cross compiling
[0:44] <mervaka> :D
[0:44] <mervaka> i should.
[0:44] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, however it ought to be ok on either - I'll double check.
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[0:45] <mervaka> i also need to get qemu going
[0:45] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, odd - I've just compiled it on x86 - Debian squeeze - no warnings.
[0:45] <mervaka> hmm
[0:45] <mervaka> werd
[0:45] <gordonDrogon> what gcc? I know the later ones than on squeeze have better warnings.
[0:45] <mervaka> uh, sec
[0:45] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ yakko: gcc --version
[0:45] <gordonDrogon> gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5
[0:46] <gordonDrogon> that's my workstation.
[0:46] <mervaka> 4.6.3
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[0:46] <gordonDrogon> gcc (Debian 4.6.3-1.1+rpi2) 4.6.3
[0:46] <mervaka> mervaka@Davtop:~$ gcc --version
[0:46] <mervaka> gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) 4.6.3
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[0:46] <gordonDrogon> is raspbian. let me check it there...
[0:46] <Toneloc> so, why have the bus pirate and a bus blaster?
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[0:47] <Toneloc> Bus pirate seems to have much better support
[0:47] <Toneloc> than bus blaster
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[0:47] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, ok under raspbian. most odd!
[0:48] <ReggieUK> bus blaster appears to be just jtag
[0:48] <Toneloc> I want sort of a faster/ more reliable device than the bus pirate. I was thinking of perhaps buying an FPGA dev board and progrmaming something for it
[0:49] <Toneloc> *programming
[0:49] <djp_> SpeedEvil: thanks for all your help earlier. i have things working now. it was an entry in my ssmtp.conf file. your advice pointed me in the right direction.
[0:49] <Toneloc> but really, that is kind of a big project in many ways
[0:49] <Toneloc> but at leats I could use the board for other stuff too
[0:50] <Toneloc> *least
[0:50] <gordonDrogon> Ah good. my gpio program can now use the /sys/class/gpio interface too - well, to export/unexport pins.
[0:50] <Toneloc> only thing is, that getting data into and out of the PC is the problem
[0:50] <Toneloc> USB is too complicated for me
[0:51] <Toneloc> perhaps ethernet would be a good way to go ?
[0:51] <Toneloc> sorry, im going off-topic here..
[0:52] <reider59> if a folder has a lock item does that mean you cannot create folders/files in it? Could that be why my attempt failed?
[0:52] <reider59> my god this is long winded
[0:52] <mm0zct> Toneloc: what sort of data rate are we talking?
[0:52] <Toneloc> mm0zct - as fast as possible, not meaning to be smart
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[0:53] <Toneloc> I mean, even If i could do what the bus pirate does
[0:53] <Toneloc> but doing it reliably
[0:53] <Toneloc> I havent got one yet
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[0:53] <Toneloc> I have qualified for a free pcb, so I might build one just for fun
[0:54] <mervaka> gordonDrogon: strange :s
[0:55] <mm0zct> so it's just a serial terminal
[0:55] <mm0zct> that's not too hard to set up in an FPGA, and most chips with GPIO have a uart like the RPi
[0:56] <mm0zct> from there you can use a serial port, or an ftdi ship to make it a usb->serial device I gues
[0:56] <ReggieUK> the dso nano/quads use an fpga
[0:56] <mervaka> i need to get back into fpga dev
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[0:57] <mervaka> its awesome :D
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[0:57] <mervaka> made myself an alarm clock then put it away
[0:57] <Toneloc> mm0zct- basically, I would like to dump all communications from teh FPGA to the CHIP , into the pc
[0:57] <Toneloc> so I can analyse it
[0:57] <ReggieUK> last cool thing I saw on an fpga was a vectrex clone
[0:57] <ReggieUK> very neat
[0:57] <mervaka> +1 for the FTDI chip too
[0:58] <Toneloc> also, want to have the ability that i can script it on the pc, send it to the FPGA and have it do what I have scripted
[0:58] <Toneloc> and dumping all the communication back into the pc
[0:58] * MrZYX is now known as MrZYX|off
[0:59] <ReggieUK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CroIdhD3veE
[1:00] <Toneloc> what I want to avoid is writing mcu code before I know the chip I want to interface with is working
[1:00] <Toneloc> and that Im using the right scheme to access it
[1:00] <Toneloc> for real fast stuff, bus pirate wouldnt keep up
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[1:02] <Toneloc> but yeah, Im thinking an FPGA dev board atm
[1:04] <mervaka> the spartan board i have is rather well packed with goodies :)
[1:04] <mervaka> 16x2 LCD, ethernet mac, adcs/dacs etc
[1:04] <mervaka> VGA port
[1:04] <mervaka> all sorts :)
[1:05] <Toneloc> was it expensive ?
[1:05] <mervaka> ????180
[1:05] <mervaka> not too bad
[1:05] <Toneloc> 180 euro?
[1:05] <mervaka> spartan 3A starter kit
[1:05] <mervaka> GBP
[1:05] <Toneloc> ah, ok
[1:05] <mm0zct> we ahev some 3Es in the labs
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[1:05] <Toneloc> 3A is more advanced than 3E then?
[1:05] <mervaka> ish
[1:05] <mm0zct> it's got proper VGA
[1:06] <mm0zct> but lacks some other things
[1:06] <Toneloc> I have used only a 3E , it fine
[1:06] <mm0zct> iirc
[1:06] <Toneloc> but I dont think its really value for money
[1:06] <mervaka> there's an altera board around for a lot less money i think
[1:06] <mm0zct> have a vertex6 on my desk in the office
[1:06] <mervaka> but it has less on it
[1:06] <mm0zct> i hate to think what that cost
[1:06] <Toneloc> I have only done VHDL yet
[1:07] <mervaka> ive not attempted verilog yet
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[1:07] <mervaka> not sure if i need to?
[1:07] <mervaka> just enough to get comfy i guess
[1:07] <Toneloc> I wonder are Altera better/worse than Xilinx ?
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[1:08] <mervaka> well i for one need to learn xilinx, because the company i have my sights on use them :)
[1:08] <Toneloc> I noticed some chepa altera dev boards
[1:08] <mervaka> and freescale/motorola DSP
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[3:25] <markllama> yay! Transcend 16GB class 10 (supposedly working) SD cards arrived!. Now to try them.
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[4:27] <ReggieUK> a win for common sense it appears
[4:27] <ReggieUK> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18709232
[4:30] <tzarc> unusual
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[4:36] <RITRedbeard__> Are there sites similar to dealextreme but somewhat different inventory
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[4:36] <jagginess> hi
[4:37] <jagginess> I actually had the privilege of being able to order a board this morning :)
[4:38] <Pickley> And how long are you waiting haha
[4:39] <jagginess> They say it'll take xx weeks to process but i'm crossing my fingers :)
[4:39] <jagginess> just want to know more on the software side, which package bundle should I be checking out as the primary? there's debian/arch qton
[4:40] <jagginess> ( http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads ? )
[4:40] <jagginess> I'm not new at all with linux.. I'm interested in trying out the LXDE desktop i see posted on videos
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[4:41] <jagginess> Pickley, i bet you dont even have a raspberry, or one very rude person on here laughing at others
[4:41] <jagginess> teh
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[4:42] <Fozzey1> 10 hours to build opencv on the raspberry pi. wow
[4:42] <Pickley> I don't have one at all ;)
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[5:04] <Pickley> To pay extra to get one tomorrow???
[5:05] <netman87> i think ill buy 2 more in next 2 weeks
[5:05] <Pickley> Pay 120NZD vs 56NZD retail to get one tomorrow haha
[5:05] <Pickley> rather than waiting like 4 months.
[5:06] <netman87> but well im really unhappy with unstability of RPi with debian install im trying
[5:06] <netman87> dunno if its SD,power, RPi or something with debian image
[5:08] <aykut> explain unstability
[5:08] <netman87> it just freeze
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[5:08] <netman87> after sometime
[5:08] <netman87> IO wait goes up
[5:08] <aykut> netman87, did u tried with another os ?
[5:09] <aykut> like archlinux, raspbmc
[5:09] <netman87> i have run debian squeeze and wheezy but im not sure if squeeze did it at all
[5:09] <netman87> but not raspian,arch or anything else
[5:10] <netman87> i have only one SD card over 1GB so im not gonna change too often and i wanna run debian as im familiar with it
[5:11] <netman87> i have been thinking of trying raspian but i think ill do it when i get more money and i can go and buy more SD cards
[5:11] <netman87> also i need to check how stable voltage is
[5:11] <netman87> (cheap hong kong usb power)
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[5:12] <aykut> i have one sd card too but already change os tenth
[5:13] <aykut> i decided stay on archlinuxarm because i am a masochist
[5:14] <netman87> why wont u then go and make freebsd work on raspi?
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[5:14] <netman87> that would be nice for others and for u feel like sitting on cactus
[5:14] <netman87> so everybody wins
[5:15] <aykut> :D:D
[5:15] <aykut> simply win win
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[5:16] <netman87> aykut: have u tried overclock or underclock raspi?
[5:17] <aykut> netman87, if you count 900mhz as overclock
[5:17] <aykut> i tried
[5:18] <aykut> nothing changed, its slow as hell again
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[5:30] <Snowl> hey, am I able to get help from here or is there a help channel somewhere else
[5:34] <Fozzey_> there is help here sporadically
[5:34] <Fozzey_> what is the prob Snowl
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[5:42] <netman87> hi Fozzey_
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[5:48] <Fozzey_> hey netman87, did the kernel work for you?
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[6:36] <Freeduck> hey, im just wondering how much i much i can improve the preformense of rpi by getting a 90 mb/s sd card instead of the 14mb/s i got now
[6:36] <Snowl> Uh I want to upgrade to wheezy debian but I don't have a linux computer
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[6:36] <Snowl> is there anyway to repartition it iwthout linux
[6:37] <Freeduck> you can change it in apt sourcelist
[6:40] <cehteh> Freeduck: you can get approx 25mb/sec but not more as higher speed modes are currently not supported
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[6:40] <cehteh> and you should check how fast your card actually is .. the default kernel lacks some recent improvements and gives only 4mb/sec
[6:40] <Pickley> Curious question, can the Rpi address large external hard drives e.g. 1.5TB
[6:40] <Pickley> I presume it can. Just checking
[6:41] <cehteh> why not
[6:41] <Pickley> Yeah, good point :P
[6:41] <cehteh> but dont power them from the rpi :P
[6:41] <Freeduck> ceheh: how can i check the speed?
[6:41] <Pickley> Yeah, its a powered external
[6:42] <cehteh> Freeduck: hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0
[6:42] <Freeduck> thanks, will check it when it's done updating to sid
[6:42] <cehteh> you use the default kernel?
[6:43] <Hayseed> My 1st Rpi is on the way. Interested in CANBUS applications, tied into Chrysler Nav radio. This is all theoretical at this point, looking for anyone who has links/research/etc. Would love to use the touch-screen to manage Rpi, tie in video, OBDII, GPS, and general purpose computing. While parked, of course.
[6:44] <Freeduck> cehteh: i just added sid in sourcelist, will try it out. might go wrong
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[6:52] <Freeduck> so i get 15.45mb/s from buffered disk read. Which is the max speed of my sdcard.
[6:53] <cehteh> looks good
[6:54] <Freeduck> so i wont get it higher even with a 90 mb/s card?
[6:54] <cehteh> i have 45MB/sec sandisk card which also works fine (20MB/sec) i doubt you get any improvement on 90MB/sec card
[6:55] <cehteh> problem is what the card supports and how that negotiated
[6:55] <cehteh> the really fast modes are not supported due a hardware limitation
[6:55] <cehteh> maybe someone eventually finds a workaround
[6:55] <Freeduck> that sucks, i guess you can't boot from something else like a external sdreader
[6:56] <cehteh> 20-25mb sec are pretty fine
[6:56] <cehteh> a external reader goes over usb .. you wont get much faster speed there either way
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[6:57] <netman87> isnt USB around 30MB/s
[6:58] <netman87> and thats shared with ethernet and other usb devices
[6:58] <netman87> so with ethernet load is up it drops to 15MB/s for USB-memory
[6:58] <netman87> im right?
[6:59] <Freeduck> i need a new sdcard anyways, old one is my camera sdcard. So a 25mb/s card should be fine
[7:02] <netman87> omg this is taking years... root@raspberrypi:~# tar zxf raspberrypi-linux-c47ee9d.tar.gz
[7:02] * cehteh did that with git clone :P
[7:02] <cehteh> Freeduck: good sdcard is nice .. but doesnt need to be the most expensive one
[7:03] <cehteh> a tad slower one as my 45mb card would prolly work equally well
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[7:15] <Pickley> Is there much point getting a Class10 SD card vs a Class 4 for a Rpi
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[7:19] <cehteh> note that class ratings are only about continous write speed .. the usage pattern you need at least on the rpi
[7:19] <Freeduck> z
[7:19] <Pickley> Guess I'll pick one or two up :P
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[7:29] <hotwings> Pickley - i wouldnt bother with class 4. theyre slow as hell. why not get a good class 6?
[7:29] <Pickley> Could get some Class 10's for cheap
[7:29] <Pickley> 2 8GB class10's shipped for 25USD in New Zealand
[7:29] <Pickley> pretty good deal
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[7:30] <hotwings> you could get 2 (good quality) 16GB class 10 here for that price.
[7:30] <Pickley> Difference is location sadly, NZ sucks ;)
[7:30] <hotwings> indeed, lotta water to cross :)
[7:31] <Pickley> As with all things haha
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[7:33] <phire> Pickley, http://www.flashcards.co.nz/index.php?route=product/product&path=35_38&product_id=1269
[7:33] <dym> Good morning, pielovers (:
[7:33] <phire> thats a bit cheaper
[7:33] <phire> oh, for 2 cards
[7:33] <jz3n> thought running blender and krita/gimp/mypaint and drawing tablet would be awesome!
[7:33] <Pickley>
[7:33] <Pickley> lol wut.
[7:34] <Pickley> 12.89NZD for each card
[7:36] <phire> cheaper:
[7:36] <Pickley> true, rather get Kingston though :P
[7:37] <phire> true
[7:37] <phire> but adata isn't a bad brand
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[7:37] <Pickley> Yeah it isnt
[7:37] <Pickley> I think my camera card is an Adata one
[7:37] <phire> and your more likely to run into fake Kingstons than fake Adatas
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[7:42] <Pickley> also true :P
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[8:47] <ssilly> hi, is pi recommended as a dev board for embedded linux and driver deveolpment to a newbie ?
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[8:52] <Adya> ????
[8:52] <Adya> Hi
[8:52] <Adya> What does it mean "registered /w nickserv"?
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> literally just that
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> nickserv is a program/robot and you can register your handle with it.
[8:53] <Adya> Am I registered?:)
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> type /msg nickserv info
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> (I think)
[8:53] <Adya> Or how can I do it?
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> type /msg nickserv help
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> ssilly, Pi is a nice little dev board, but there are arguments/questions about it "embeddedness" ...
[8:55] <Adya> It tells I'm not registered
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> if you register with it then you protect your handle.
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[8:56] <DexterLB> Adya: open a chat with nickserv, and type help register
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[9:00] <ssilly> @gordonDrogon, so it can pass for driver development. thanks.
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[9:05] <ibloat_> is there a way to supply the root device in cmdline.txt by uuid? with two usb disks connected sda and sdb keep getting switched arround
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[9:08] <Adya> Now I have to enter my password everytime I enter the #raspberrypi?:( that sucks:(
[9:09] <dym> automate your identification progress
[9:09] <Adya> How?
[9:10] <Adya> I looked for it in settings, but there's nothing suitable:(
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[9:15] <super_gollum> what irq client do you use, adya?
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[9:15] <ibloat> irc?
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[9:18] <Lartza> Adya, Just add username:password as the server password
[9:18] <Lartza> If using a bouncer then add NickServ authentication to the bouncer settings
[9:19] <Lartza> Or use SASL
[9:19] <Lartza> Many possibilities ;)
[9:19] <Lartza> You can also add an auto command to /msg NickServ but the server password way is safer and better
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[9:35] <Adya> I'll try it
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[9:36] <phuss> http://uk.farnell.com/raspberry-pi
[9:36] <Adya> Yep:)
[9:36] <phuss> eta?
[9:36] <Adya> I did it:)
[9:37] <Adya> It logins automatickly:)
[9:37] <Adya> Phus, nepravilno, pravilno this
[9:37] <Adya> Ili that
[9:38] <Adya> :)
[9:38] <Lartza> phuss, Probably few weeks
[9:38] <Adya> I heard many things
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[9:39] <Adya> About gpio
[9:39] <Gadgetoid> Good things?
[9:39] <Lartza> You can reboot your Pi with it
[9:39] <Lartza> <3
[9:39] <Lartza> Just connect 3V3 to GND
[9:39] <Adya> How can I control it? With help of python, or some other way?
[9:39] <phuss> Lartza: it says 5 july and its today
[9:39] <Gadgetoid> Lartza: there are a number of ways you can reboot your Pi by shorting things to GND....
[9:40] <Lartza> phuss, Yeah but that's when you get to order, it will take probably few weeks for them to send it and arrive :)
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[9:40] <Lartza> Adya, Python, C, bash even!
[9:40] <Lartza> Adya, Also /sys/gpio or something
[9:40] <Lartza> Since everything in Linux is a file <3
[9:41] <Adya> Bash? What do you mean, via commands, or via .sh script?
[9:41] <Lartza> Adya, Commands and of course an .sh script
[9:42] <Lartza> Though if you want to do something real you are going to use Python or C
[9:42] <Lartza> and such
[9:43] <Adya> If I want simply control lamps and finds?
[9:43] <Adya> Oh
[9:43] <Adya> Not finds but diods
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[9:43] <Lartza> Just pick what method suits you
[9:44] <Adya> Do you have any link to good FAQ for gpio?
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[9:48] <phuss> but if i want to buy a RPi today its just from ebay?
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[9:49] <Adya> Phuss, if you want, why not?
[9:50] <Lartza> phuss, Mhh probably yeah RS Online and element14 both have queues
[9:50] <Lartza> phuss, You should have ordered in advance ;)
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[9:51] <Pickley> Interesting, I just remembered I have this old Robot thing. Wonder if I can hook into it when I get my Pi...
[9:51] <Pickley> :P
[9:52] <Adya> Got an email from Allied Electronics I can order my pi. But I don't need it:)
[9:52] <Snowl> i have an rs order link in my email that will never be used
[9:53] <Adya> Yes,I also got an order email from rs, but i didn't order
[9:54] <Lartza> I ordered from element14 <3
[9:54] <Lartza> Happy so far
[9:54] <Adya> Because i have my one from farnell:)
[9:54] <Snowl> same lol
[9:54] <Lartza> Got a t-shirt and everything
[9:55] <Gadgetoid> http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/06/29/adobe-will-not-support-flash-on-android-4-1-unsupported-devices-wont-be-able-to-download-it-from-the-play-store-after-august-15th/
[9:55] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, Old and sad news
[9:56] <Lartza> Hopefully everything will switch to HTML5 soon and 4.1 will support it perfectly
[9:57] <Gadgetoid> Lartza: Sad news!?
[9:57] <Gadgetoid> The only sad thing is that flash has been allowed to die for so many years without being put out of its misery earlier
[9:57] <Lartza> Well yeah I like the fact a flash site won't prevent me
[9:58] <Adya> Do you know some fine channel about android?
[9:59] <Gadgetoid> Wasn't aware that Flash was an Android exclusive technology??? deary me!
[10:01] <Gadgetoid> Now if only Java would go the same way.. mu ha ha
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[10:04] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, Nooo minecraaaft
[10:04] <Lartza> :D
[10:04] <Gadgetoid> Lartza: Yeah, Minecraft is about the only good thing ever to come out of Java??? everything else written in it just suffers a horrible fate of mediocrity, bloat and bugginess
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[10:05] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, Well I like Project Zomboid too
[10:05] <Gadgetoid> Not 'erd of that one!
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[10:05] <Gadgetoid> Haha, looks awesome
[10:06] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, It is probably the mos tunluckiest project ever
[10:06] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, They've had their paypal frozen, laptops with the latest code stolen and something else :/
[10:06] <Lartza> But it's coming along :)
[10:06] <Gadgetoid> Lartza: anyone who has earned more than about 10 quid through paypal has had their account frozen :D
[10:06] <Lartza> Yeah well
[10:06] <Lartza> Yea
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[10:07] <Gadgetoid> But, laptops stolen??? eee :(
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[10:07] <Gadgetoid> My laptop is pretty much an appendage, I rarely let it out of my sight
[10:07] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, But I think it was a break in to someone's house
[10:08] <Gadgetoid> I more or less sleep with my laptop, too :D
[10:08] <Lartza> http://projectzomboid.com/blog/index.php/2011/10/project-zomboid-burglary-statement/
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> ?
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[10:08] <gordonDrogon> if I slept with my laptop I'd probably smash it...
[10:09] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, Ahh they've had problems with pirates
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> Ye gods, they backed it up machine to machine, but no externally...
[10:09] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yeah, data you don't have at least two backups of is data you don't care about
[10:09] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, They used the amazon elasting thingies for game updates then someone made a cracked launcher for that and everyone from pirate bay was using those servers without paying
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I added support into the gpio program to export/unexport /sys/class/gpio now...
[10:10] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, Not just updates but the whole game too
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[10:10] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Nice! could that be added into wiringPi, too, for rolling Ruby/Python apps to export/unexport GPIO?
[10:10] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, And it wasn't actually paypal but google checkotu that froze them
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> even a really cheap VPS is better than nothing for ran of-site backup..
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[10:10] <Gadgetoid> Lartza: Nasty, I wholly support piracy when it screws over the major players, but I fork over cash hand over fist to the small guys
[10:11] <Gadgetoid> I bought Minecraft three times, and I suspect I'm not alone
[10:11] <Lartza> Gadget-Mac, http://projectzomboid.com/blog/index.php/2011/04/warning-how-google-checkout-screwed-project-zomboid/
[10:11] <Lartza> Wrong person...
[10:11] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, that link :D
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[10:11] <Gadgetoid> I think Gadget-Mac is used to it :D
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, the issue is that it needs root, so the idea is that you run a shell script to call the gpio command to do the export,s then you run your own program as a non-root user to poke/peek the GPIO...
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[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, however the next stage is to make wiringPi use the /sys/class/gpio interface rather than the /dev/mem one.
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[10:12] <Lartza> Gadgetoid, So GCheckout, stupid pirates hurting indie ppl and burglary, kind of unlucky :)
[10:12] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: aye, I know what you mean, but wanted to wrap up those functions anyway??? I can always build an extension
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, under control of a parameter though - so you can still have the high speed if needed (as root), or the slower stuff under user lande.
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[10:13] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: really looking forward to that, it'll make WiringPi the champion!
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> might have time to day to look at it, but I've got a haircut to get, some cakes to bake and a client to see in Narnia this evening...
[10:13] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: There's a post on the forums that claims a 10x speed increase in /sys/class/gpio by holding the files open
[10:13] <Lartza> Noo
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes - that's what I'll do ...
[10:13] <Lartza> --purge remove isn't removing all midori dependencies
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> apt-get install deborphan
[10:14] <Lartza> And in other news I am hungry :S
[10:14] <PReDiToR> Sausage butty.
[10:14] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Can't wait to benchmark it all, WiringPython already runs an order of magnitude faster than RPi.GPIO, I'll be very interested to see if your C implementation of /sys/class/gpio also outperforms their interpreted version
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[10:14] <gordonDrogon> just had breakfast me :) Porridge.
[10:14] <Gadgetoid> I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that C will win
[10:14] <lennard> I'm not hungry any more, but I think as a result my keyboard ate some crumbs as well
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> now it's SS&S time. back inna bit!
[10:14] <PReDiToR> +1 for C
[10:14] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Well autoremove catched them
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> With WiringPi using shared-mem, you can get enough frequency to PWM and more advanced stuff, the last piece of the puzzle will be interrupts I guess
[10:16] <Gadgetoid> I was thinking of doing interrupts by calling a C function which constantly polls a pin and returns True if its state changes, but the client language would have to keep re-firing it in a separate thread
[10:26] <orac99> anyone know where i can download the quake pak files? quake3droid link appears to to be down / suspended
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[10:29] <Pickley> Whats the best way to protect the GPIO?
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[10:31] <Gadgetoid> Pickley: in what way? Do you want to use it, or just cover up the pins?
[10:31] <Pickley> Gadgetoid: Protect it from 5V stuff
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[10:32] <Gadgetoid> Pickley: Ah you want to use 5v logic levels?
[10:32] <Pickley> Well really I'll probably just be sending signals to another board, but just want to protect the Pi in case
[10:33] <Pickley> the board takes 5V power iirc
[10:33] <Gadgetoid> A non-inverting buffer might help
[10:34] <Pickley> Found the circuit I'm interfacing with http://www.lpilsley.co.uk/cybot/driver.htm
[10:34] <Gadgetoid> As long as you don't need bi-directional signals, it will prevent the input from being driven by the output, accidentally or otherwise
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[10:34] <Pickley> Only has to send signals to the board
[10:34] <Gadgetoid> I'm certainly no expert, but the 74HC4050 should do the trick
[10:34] <Pickley> http://www.adafruit.com/products/395 would that do it?
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[10:35] <Pickley> I might need to read into this a bit more I think :D
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[10:35] <Gadgetoid> Pickley: that looks a bit overkill if you don't need bi-directional
[10:35] <Gadgetoid> But it would certainly come in handy for other projects
[10:35] <Pickley> Can always use it for other stuff as well is the thing
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[10:36] <Gadgetoid> It means you could still send a 3.3v high signal to a GPIO pin set to output and also outputting a 3.3v high??? not sure what that would do, if anything
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[10:37] <teh_orph> yo
[10:37] <Gadgetoid> IMO the Arduino is the best damned buffer you can get :D
[10:37] <Veryevil> Yo
[10:37] <tech2077> hmm
[10:38] <tech2077> i want to force an apt-repo with armel packages to work with my armhf distro
[10:38] <Pickley> Wonder if I could use a Pi Cobbler + the level convertor
[10:40] <Gadgetoid> Pickley: pretty sure this would do the job: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/74hc4050
[10:41] <Pickley> Looks like it should.
[10:42] * tech2077 plans to pickup one of adafruits pi plates
[10:42] <Gadgetoid> I like the idea of an easy Pi protection breakout board, but it does ruin some of the educational benefits of doing it all yourself
[10:43] <Pickley> the plate looks interesting
[10:43] <tech2077> Gadgetoid, not really
[10:43] <Pickley> but does it protect it...
[10:43] <tech2077> no
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[10:43] <Lartza> How could I get analog support to the GPIO? Like NTC thermistor etc.
[10:44] <tech2077> Lartza, i would suggest use a SPI or I2C ADC
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, the big issue with doing stuff like PWM is that you have Linux behind you...
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[10:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, and Linux is going to pre-empt your program every now & then..
[10:44] <tech2077> heh
[10:44] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: yeah, makes those 16 channel PWM driver chips look mighty tempting
[10:44] <Freeduck> Can i get firefox (nightly) on the rbp?
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I am expeirmenting with the standard real-time stuff though and it's made an improvement to my polled/multiplexed 7-segment code.
[10:45] <Lartza> Freeduck, You wish :)
[10:45] <Lartza> Freeduck, Even if you could it would only crawl if even that
[10:45] <phire> create a linux driver for pwm
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I think it's also possible to use some already-written kernel GPIO drivers to do PWM, but I've not checked yet.
[10:45] <Freeduck> Lartza: which browser should i use? lynx?
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> phire, I think they're there already - it's just a matter of doing the 'plumbing' to enable them.
[10:45] <Lartza> Freeduck, qupzilla, midori, maybe arora
[10:46] <Lartza> chromium works as a crawl
[10:46] <Lartza> but atleast works, firefox I doubt
[10:46] <Freeduck> oki, thanks
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, the Gertboard has bi-directional buffering...
[10:46] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: my 7 segment ( being driven by shift regs ) was quite flickery when driven with Ruby, I must say??? I think my code to map out characters and figure out what to display on the screen was the limiting factor, though
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, the down-side to mine is that it drives the CPU at 100% )-:
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, as for the interrupts - There is experimental code by simon- to capture them, but I've not had a chance to even look at i tyet.
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> however using the on-chip latches might be a start - you can then detect a very short transient from a slow program.
[10:48] <Gadgetoid> This is interesting: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/tlc5940-16-channel-pwm
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> it al takes time :)
[10:49] <Gadgetoid> Glad we've got someone like you chipping away at these things gordonDrogon :D
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yep - the serial is a 2-wire bit-banged interface to it - would be fairly trivial to interface.
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> if only I could get paid for it ;-)
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> and there were more hours in the day ...
[10:50] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: truth, on both counts!
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> well I have time before I see the lovely Trudi to get my hair cut ...
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[10:53] <Freeduck> Starting to enjoy the rbp after one night of hard "work"
[10:53] <booyaa> Freeduck: what you done with yours so far?
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> Freeduck, it's a bit addictive, isn't it?
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[10:54] <Freeduck> Debian (bloated), so I install Gentoo. got all the drivers and awesome up and running. very addictive, kinda fun to do it on a arm instead of the normal x86_64
[10:55] <Tachyon> debian is bloated?
[10:55] <Tachyon> in what universe?
[10:55] <Tachyon> you install what you want, it's only bloated if you blindly tell it to install everything
[10:55] <Freeduck> lot of stuff i not need, so i feel it's vloated
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> ah, that's different ...
[10:55] <RaYmAn> just install debian minimal :>
[10:55] <Tachyon> well, I just install the base system
[10:55] <Tachyon> then go from there manually
[10:56] <Freeduck> the image from the website, not debian netinstall
[10:56] <Tachyon> base system, ssh, buld-essential, joe
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> the RPi foundation supply a good selection of stuff - mostly aimed at the classroom, so yes, you get python, scratch, and other bits & pieces with it.
[10:56] <Tachyon> ahh
[10:56] <Freeduck> got debian on all my other computers
[10:56] <Gadgetoid> Anything that works without at least a week's tinkering is bloated to a gentoo user :D
[10:56] <Tachyon> lol
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> I did managed to uload over 200MB from the Wheezy yesterday.
[10:57] <Freeduck> hehe, well atleast i not need to fix my xorg after every update (arch)
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[11:00] <Freeduck> Hmm, anyone got sublimetext to work?
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[11:00] <booyaa> oh i think i've had my first crash :D
[11:01] <Adya> Sorry for offtopic, but what do you think about fly iq280?
[11:01] <booyaa> would love to setup serial link and some way to drop the power reportly
[11:02] <Freeduck> kernelpanic?
[11:02] <booyaa> Freeduck: prolly i suspect i ran out of memory
[11:02] <Freeduck> got one when i tried install mocp a few hours ago, not even running xorg. kinda strange
[11:02] * booyaa needs to retune his, could do with more memory since it'll be headless forevah!
[11:03] <booyaa> mine happened after installing wordpress but i suspect it's unrelated
[11:04] <Freeduck> how can i check free storage?
[11:05] <booyaa> df -h
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> df -h
[11:05] <booyaa> free -m (suspect that will be your next question)
[11:05] <orac99> hey guys, im trying to get quake 3 to run. and following this guide http://myraspberrypiexperience.blogspot.co.uk/p/quake3.html
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:05] <orac99> but when i run ./start.sh i get an error
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[11:06] <Freeduck> thx, i might need to get a new sdcard :/
[11:06] <orac99> "./start.sh: line2: sudo: command not found
[11:07] <Freeduck> orac99, which distro are you running?
[11:07] <leighbb> sudo apt-get install sudo ;-)
[11:07] <orac99> wheezy
[11:07] <orac99> just installing sudo now
[11:08] <orac99> i am logged in as root though, so didnt think it would make a difference ?
[11:08] <Freeduck> i might be lazy, but i never use sudo. su i so much easyer
[11:08] <Veryevil> edit start.sh and remove the sudo fomr the start of the line
[11:08] <Veryevil> if your root
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[11:10] <orac99> ok installed sudo, and also removed sudo from start.sh
[11:10] <orac99> now the error i get is
[11:11] <orac99> ./start.sh: line2: ./ioquake3.arm no such file or directory
[11:11] <orac99> however that file is there in the current directory im trying to execute it from :S
[11:12] <Veryevil> try chmod 755 ioquake3.arm
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[11:13] <orac99> still same error
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[11:14] <booyaa> orac99: what's the out put from: file ioquake3.arm
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[11:15] <orac99> ioquake3.arm: ELF 32bit LSB executable
[11:15] <orac99> arm, version 1
[11:15] <fairuz> Hi guys
[11:15] <orac99> and it carrys on, need to know anymore from that output ?
[11:16] <orac99> if i try ./ioquake3.arm, like suggested from another tutorial i get same error: ./ioquake3.arm no such file or directory
[11:16] <Freeduck> try giving the full path?
[11:16] <booyaa> that is odd...
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[11:17] * qlex says hi
[11:18] * qlex is a new R-Pi owner so he can join the discussion :)
[11:18] <drazyl> oooh, are we allowing R-Pi owners in now?
[11:19] <fairuz> orac99: I just joined but I assume the problem is you are trying to launch a binary but get that error?
[11:19] <super_gollum> lol
[11:19] <orac99> err, sorry noob question. how would i supply full path? ie. ./ /home/orac/quake/ioquake3.arm ?
[11:19] <super_gollum> GET HIM
[11:19] <saley89> I am also a new owner. Not got the rest of my kit yet.
[11:19] <lennard> actually it looks like orac99 is missing libraries
[11:19] <orac99> fairuz: yes
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[11:19] <booyaa> orac99: yeah just type: /home/orac/quake/ioquake3.arm
[11:19] <booyaa> if that's where the file lives
[11:19] <saley89> Anyone recommend some places for cheap SD Cards
[11:20] <Lartza> saley89, mymemory
[11:20] <booyaa> saley89: amazon?
[11:20] <saley89> in the UK?
[11:20] <drazyl> amazon
[11:20] <saley89> yeah amazon seemed the best
[11:20] * booyaa picked mine up from craplin
[11:20] <orac99> yah... still same error
[11:20] <saley89> ill take a look at my memory too!
[11:20] <Lartza> saley89, check out mymemory.co.uk for sales yeah
[11:20] <booyaa> ??8 but it was a verified one from the wiki list
[11:20] <saley89> something like 16GB reasonable enough?
[11:20] <Lartza> i'm using MyMemory 16GB Class 10
[11:21] <Lartza> Overkill you only need like 4 or 8 GB
[11:21] <Lartza> ;)
[11:21] <saley89> yeah?
[11:21] <fairuz> I assume booyaa already asked the output of file ioquake3.arm and ll ioquake3.arm ?
[11:21] <Lartza> But I quadrupleboot
[11:21] <Lartza> :P
[11:21] <Lartza> From the same card
[11:21] <qlex> hey guys, one question.
[11:21] <orac99> asked about file..
[11:21] <drazyl> shoot
[11:21] <saley89> probably pick up a 8GB then
[11:21] <qlex> been able to run both debian and raspbmc on my raspberry
[11:21] <Lartza> saley89, http://www.mymemory.co.uk/SDHC/MyMemory/MyMemory-8GB-SD-Card-%28SDHC%29---Class-10
[11:21] <qlex> while raspbmc run 1080HD videos very smoothly..
[11:22] <orac99> ioquake3.arm: ELF 32bit LSB executable [21:13] <+orac99> arm, version 1
[11:22] <qlex> my default debian image running on raspberry seems a lot slower
[11:22] <qlex> why is that ?
[11:22] * booyaa is baffled why he's still only get 4gb out of his 8gb sd. i used fdisk to wipe the root and swap. might giev gparted a go to moev swap to the end
[11:22] <qlex> i need to build a digital signage ontop of debian
[11:22] <qlex> so considering if i should work on debian or maybe raspbmc (with getting to console rather than using the frontend?)
[11:22] <Freeduck> qlex, it's bloated, install gentoo
[11:22] <fairuz> orac99: what about ll ioquake3.arm
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[11:23] <qlex> Freeduck: what do youy mean by bloated - im worried that gentoo will have less support and it will be more challenging to have a fast OS ?
[11:23] <orac99> fairuz: ll: command not found
[11:23] <drazyl> I would guess the raspbmc guys have done optimisation whereas debian is running generic code
[11:23] <fairuz> ls -l
[11:23] <qlex> plus, debian seems to be 1st on the list of officiall OS on raspberrypi.org ?
[11:23] <qlex> and gentoo is not listed at all ?
[11:23] <drazyl> but if you want to primarily use media facilities, raspbmc is probably the best choice at the mo
[11:23] <qlex> i will need to run Xibo digital signage client - running on python
[11:23] <orac99> output for file ioquake3.arm from ls - l is
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[11:24] <orac99> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
[11:24] <Freeduck> qlex, lot of stuff you wont ever use. Debian netinstall or minimal is pretty decent, but Gentoo will always be faster
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[11:26] <orac99> also i am using raspbian, with no desktop environment installed, if that makes a difference
[11:26] <fairuz> I assume you are root when running the binary?
[11:26] <orac99> yep
[11:26] <fairuz> orac99: ^
[11:28] <fairuz> hmm I have no other idea. Sorry.
[11:28] <muep> the debian image indeed is quite old and generic code, not something that has been made specifically for the RPi
[11:28] <sraue> drazyl, raspbmc uses a unmodified debian, there are no optimisations, except a different kernel config
[11:28] <muep> except the kernel, which in the RPi squeeze image is not from debian
[11:28] <orac99> hrrm well this blows.. maybe i will try on squeeze
[11:29] <booyaa> isn't there a command to test library deps?
[11:29] <booyaa> ldd or ld <filename>?
[11:30] <fairuz> orac99: Well maybe you can try to do a simple hello world program and compile it using the same compiler, just to check if the compiler is OK.
[11:30] <Freeduck> orcan99, you should try the wheezel beta
[11:30] <fairuz> wheezy beta seems nice
[11:31] <fairuz> but still have keyboard crash problems
[11:31] <fairuz> luckyily I can connect to it with ssh
[11:31] <fairuz> *luckily
[11:31] <orac99> ld returns nothing
[11:31] <orac99> ldd returns "not a dynamic exectuable"
[11:31] <Freeduck> fairuz, keyboard crash?
[11:32] <fairuz> Freeduck: Yea when I plug in my keyboard, the kernel just crashes. Same problem with squeeze I think.
[11:32] <fairuz> Maybe a problem with not enough power
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[11:32] <fairuz> I will re-try tomorrow with self-powered usb
[11:33] <Freeduck> strange, i think my keyboard is cutting too. like sometimes i wont work and when it returns it just stacks alot of the same key.
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[11:34] <fairuz> Freeduck: same thing happened to me too
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[11:34] <fairuz> They said it's a power problem, the usb port not providing enoug hjuice
[11:34] <fairuz> *enough juice
[11:34] <fairuz> So I thought I will try with self-powered usb hub
[11:34] <fairuz> Maybe that will help
[11:35] <Freeduck> mine does it alot more often with a self-powered usb hub
[11:35] <fairuz> oh
[11:35] <fairuz> =.= not good
[11:36] <Freeduck> microusb power maybe?
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> right - haircut time!!!
[11:36] <Freeduck> shav
[11:36] <Freeduck> r
[11:36] <Freeduck> dhav
[11:36] <Freeduck> lol
[11:36] <Freeduck> shave it all off!
[11:36] <fairuz> Maybe.. I use a telephone cable :D With 5V 2A
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[11:37] <Freeduck> wow, arent you suppose to just use 0.7-1.0A?
[11:38] <fairuz> I use it with 1A before
[11:38] <fairuz> and had the keyboard problem, that's why I change to 2A
[11:38] <fairuz> still have it.
[11:39] <fairuz> :D So will change back to 1A
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> heh... not gone yet.
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> fairuz, the power capacity of the PSU has no bearing on what the devices will take. More is always better.
[11:39] <fairuz> gordonDrogon: Yup correct
[11:40] <Freeduck> nothin wrong until you see smoke
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> ah, that might have been meant for Freeduck :)
[11:40] <fairuz> the 2A is just the maximum Ampere that it can give
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> I use a 2A PSU into a powered hub on one of my Pis...
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> and a 700mA charger on another!
[11:41] <chaoshax> Please don't boast that you have two, I am jealous.
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> OK. I don't have two.
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> I have three.
[11:41] <booyaa> lol
[11:41] <chaoshax> RAGE
[11:41] * Snowl is now known as Snowl|Away
[11:41] <fairuz> :)
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> One runs Debian, one runs Wheezy and one runs Raspbian. Let hope there aren't any more platforms I migh have to support!
[11:42] <nid0> Arch plx
[11:42] <Freeduck> i just happy i got one... stayed up all night to order one and the sites where down, what a waste of time
[11:42] <Freeduck> Gentoo ofc
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[11:43] <gordonDrogon> right. really out now./
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[11:45] <reider59> Puppi?
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[11:47] <Freeduck> which usbwifidongel should i get?
[11:47] <reider59> Try the Edimax 7811Un
[11:48] <reider59> It fits in the Pi USB Port, it`s fast, we have a script to add it in most Distros`
[11:48] <reider59> It`s also dirt cheap
[11:48] <reider59> and small
[11:49] <reider59> << half asleep still
[11:49] <Freeduck> not support 802.11n
[11:50] <Joshun> is it possible to get kernel debug messages for boot?
[11:50] <Joshun> to see why a kernel does or doesn't boot
[11:51] <reider59> It`s still fast and I doubt that USB port will allow much more speed
[11:52] <Freeduck> true, i will write it down. but is it freesoftware? (libre)
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[11:54] <tmf> Hey any1 tried having original xbox dvd kit working with raspbmc?
[11:54] <reider59> The install script is here....http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256 You just install the script in the /boot folder then place a command to it. It downloads the correct driver and installs it, updates the Pi and sets up the network. I just changed to STATIC IP addressing afterwards
[11:54] <reider59> Tested in Debian Squeeze and Debian Wheezy beta
[11:54] <qlex1> does any1 know if raspbmc can be treated like "normal" debian ? i.e. access to console, ability to install apache/mysql ?
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[11:55] <qlex1> im asking as i dont know if i can "extract" drivers from raspbmc and use them in debian ?
[11:55] <Freeduck> one thing is that it's easy to install but i kinda want something opensource (freetard)
[11:55] <qlex1> i like the speed of raspbmc and video playback
[11:55] <arcsky> why doesnt they sell more RPi's?
[11:56] <arcsky> seems they dont want to earn money
[11:56] <Freeduck> arcshy, out of stock again? also they are nonprofit
[11:56] <reider59> Because they cannot keep up with demand yet?
[11:56] <Scepterr> any of you guys multibooting on a single sd ?
[11:57] <Joshun> qlex1 - providing it has apt, which it would have to, and tar archiving tools you should be fine
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[11:58] <arcsky> anyone here sell one to me?
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[11:58] <reider59> Go on Ebay.....
[11:58] <Freeduck> arcsky, ebay is the place
[11:58] <Scepterr> serious markup :p
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[11:59] <reider59> One went for only ??36 the other day, not much over
[11:59] <qlex1> Joshun: thanx. am i right by saying that raspbmc plays video better (more smooth) than "standard" debian or other linux installed on R-Pi ? or is this a matter of config ?
[11:59] <Scepterr> $65 best buy it on in us
[11:59] <Scepterr> s/on/now
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[11:59] <Joshun> qlex1 - should do, i think it uses framebuffer for playback
[11:59] <Scepterr> was able to order adafruit cobbler board :p
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[11:59] <Scepterr> 1 one of the alst 8 :D
[11:59] <reider59> import duty wacks you in the UK though
[11:59] <Scepterr> last*
[12:00] <reider59> Rip Off Britain
[12:00] <Scepterr> how much would it be ?
[12:00] <Freeduck> had to pay 10?? to get in to Norway. but i got a nice t-shirt so i was worth it
[12:00] <orac99> well it works on squeeze. this time extracting the .pak files seemed to take alot longer, i wonder if the last download was corrupted
[12:00] <reider59> Could be up to about ??17 on top
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[12:01] <Scepterr> i ordered 2 more here http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/120626raso
[12:01] <Scepterr> waited 3 months once already, so...
[12:02] <tmf> Hey any1 tried having original xbox dvd kit working with raspbmc?
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[12:03] <orac99> meh, quake is kinda laggy
[12:03] <Scepterr> lol
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[12:04] <Scepterr> quake having relevance to the rpi is a bit of stretch :p
[12:05] <Scepterr> of a*
[12:05] <Adya> Quake is fine on pi:)
[12:05] <Draylor> nothing wrong with a little piquake
[12:05] <Freeduck> can you run around on the rpi?
[12:05] <Freeduck> 'android
[12:06] <orac99> i was playing with 4 bots, maybe its too mcuh?
[12:06] <orac99> its playable, but aiming is a bit hard
[12:06] <Scepterr> theres a good chance you have a device handy other than your desktop/ltop that can play quake better
[12:06] <Scepterr> and a good chance you can plug it into tv
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[12:07] <orac99> rpi is fastest computer i own
[12:08] <Scepterr> what phoe do you have ?/
[12:08] <Scepterr> phone*
[12:08] <booyaa> orac99: hey you got it working?
[12:08] <orac99> nokia 1100i
[12:08] <Scepterr> how old are you ?
[12:08] <booyaa> orac99: what did you need to do in the end?
[12:08] <orac99> booyaa: i changed to squeeze
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[12:08] <orac99> worked straight away
[12:08] <booyaa> sweet
[12:08] <orac99> scepterr: 24
[12:09] <Freeduck> scepterr, 22
[12:09] <booyaa> we should host a rpi deathmatch :D
[12:09] <Scepterr> nobody asked you Freeduck :p
[12:09] <orac99> i find aiming a little laggy
[12:09] <Scepterr> orac99: any reason why no other computer ?
[12:09] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: can host the server since he's got rpis pouring out his ears
[12:09] <Freeduck> scre
[12:09] <orac99> not really needed
[12:09] <Freeduck> sad face
[12:09] <booyaa> orac99: is that what you'll say when you get creamed at the deathmatch?
[12:10] <booyaa> ;)
[12:10] <Adya> NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Adya mmgfbrjvpseh
[12:10] <Adya> Oh
[12:10] <Adya> I forgot msg
[12:10] <booyaa> whoops
[12:10] <Scepterr> hah
[12:10] <orac99> booya do you have sound working onb yours?
[12:11] <booyaa> orac99: nah done any video audio stuff, still headless
[12:11] <booyaa> need to order some leads hdmi2dvi so i can start using a screen
[12:12] <Scepterr> got a drawer stuffed with em :)
[12:12] <orac99> ah oj
[12:12] <orac99> ok
[12:12] <Freeduck> but no rpi
[12:12] <orac99> i just did the change to increase video memory, so will try quake again after that,
[12:13] <Scepterr> anybody went from rc2 to rc3 raspbmc ?
[12:13] <booyaa> orac99: make sure you write up any of your tweaks in the wiki
[12:13] <orac99> im only following tutorials anywayu
[12:14] <kodaws> what's the default video output? rca or hdmi?
[12:15] <Adya> Rca and hdmi
[12:15] <Adya> :)
[12:15] <kodaws> :O
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[12:15] <kodaws> at the same time?
[12:15] <Joshun> i think it defaults to rca
[12:15] <Joshun> providing hdmi is not found first
[12:15] <kodaws> then why do i see a black screen on hdmi :(
[12:15] * booyaa wondering if rpi also writes serial?
[12:15] <Joshun> on some tv's you have to be on the channel before you actually turn it on
[12:15] <Freeduck> elinux.org/Rpi_config.txt, look there and fix config.txt in /boot
[12:15] <Joshun> otherwise it doesn't assert a hotplug event
[12:15] <booyaa> might be handy to see the console if you don't want to hook up a monitor
[12:16] <booyaa> and network is down
[12:16] <Adya> When i plug out hdmi, to get rca working i should reboot my pi, when i plug out rca, i should just plug in hdmi to get it working
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[12:17] <Adya> Stupid, but true
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[12:18] <KrnlPanic> Sorry for link post (hate doing them) but has anyone tried this WM on RPi yet? http://awesome.naquadah.org/
[12:18] <Adya> I haven't:)
[12:18] <Freeduck> yep
[12:18] <Freeduck> running it now
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[12:19] <orac99> downloadded some new configs... running smooth as butter
[12:20] <Freeduck> tried overclocking it yet?
[12:20] <Joshun> why does the broadcom driver dump loads of warning messages to the tty
[12:20] <Joshun> can be rather annoying
[12:21] <orac99> nah i havent. not sure how to
[12:21] <Scepterr> Joshun: do we have source or it ?
[12:21] <Scepterr> for*
[12:21] <Freeduck> config.txt
[12:21] <Joshun> i wonder if there is a kernel setting to just disable warnings altogether or something
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[12:22] <Scepterr> on android its in the the kernel module source
[12:22] <orac99> i have no config.txt in /boot
[12:22] <orac99> using squeeze
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[12:23] <Freeduck> make on check out http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[12:23] <Joshun> orac99 - probably just using the default settings then
[12:23] <Freeduck> 'make one
[12:24] <orac99> damn... people have got them to 1ghz
[12:24] <Freeduck> the armv6 is quite the powerhouse. got one one my phone, can run up to 1900mhz (800mhz stock)
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[12:27] <Joshun> ouch alsamixer is giving me cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[12:27] <Joshun> even after a reboot
[12:27] <Freeduck> yeah, alsa is in alpha. need to run a command, sec will find it
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[12:28] <Joshun> does anybody know what the module is?
[12:28] <orac99> just overclocked cpu,gpu and ram
[12:28] <Joshun> its on raspbian darkbasic image
[12:29] <orac99> ok, any hints on getting sound to work on squeeze?
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[12:29] <orac99> i installed alsa-utils
[12:29] <Joshun> sudo modprobe whateverthesoundmoduleis
[12:29] <Freeduck> Joshun, modprobe snd_bcm2835
[12:29] <Joshun> ok thanks
[12:29] <orac99> and sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835 gives me no output
[12:29] <Joshun> it won't
[12:29] <Joshun> try playing something
[12:30] <orac99> oh ok... it did in qheezy
[12:30] <Joshun> and for hdmi you have to change config.txt
[12:30] <Freeduck> yeah, hdmi_drive=2 for hdmi sound
[12:30] <Joshun> thanks
[12:31] <Joshun> the raspbian image is very minimal
[12:31] <Joshun> but very fast
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[12:31] <Freeduck> might try it later, need a new sdcard. just delaying going to the store
[12:32] <Joshun> i just tried to run the freedoom
[12:32] <Joshun> game
[12:33] <Joshun> it seems to have locked up my pi completely :(
[12:33] <Joshun> ssh etc. doesn't work
[12:33] <Joshun> time to pull the plug...
[12:35] <Freeduck> i not rpi is made for games :p
[12:35] <orac99> zzz. now that ive overclocked it, it reboots halfwayy trying to load quake
[12:35] <Joshun> :)
[12:35] <Freeduck> i not think '
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[12:35] <Joshun> its sdl not opengl so should at least load
[12:36] <Joshun> orac99 - i bet thats not having enough power
[12:36] <orac99> maybe, only plugged into laptop usb power.
[12:36] <orac99> which is 500ma isnt it ?
[12:36] <Joshun> i think so
[12:36] <Joshun> i'm using a separate power supply
[12:36] <Joshun> of 1A
[12:37] <Freeduck> model A, is 500ma-700ma. Model B is 700-1000ma
[12:37] <orac99> yeah ive got one. but its from anothe country and dosent fit my power socket... might bend its pins
[12:38] <Joshun> you may end up with power problems if you try anyway
[12:38] <Joshun> like plugging a 110v transformer into a 240v socket
[12:39] <booyaa> robots in diguise!
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[12:40] <Joshun> the ipv6 kernel module is using up loads of ram
[12:40] <Joshun> maybe i should blacklist it
[12:41] <booyaa> how would you do that? interested because i just ran out of memory
[12:41] <Joshun> add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[12:41] <Joshun> blacklist ipv6
[12:41] <booyaa> mind you had screen, irssi and wordpress spinning on for setup
[12:41] <booyaa> nice
[12:42] <Joshun> my router doesn't assign ipv6 addresses anyway
[12:42] <booyaa> like wise
[12:42] <Joshun> horrible hh3 :(
[12:42] <Joshun> homehub3
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[12:43] <orac99> nah its 220v input. i just forced it in :)
[12:43] <booyaa> cheer bud
[12:43] <orac99> will retry the overclock
[12:43] <orac99> ehhh nvm. this adaptor is also only 500ma
[12:43] * booyaa would like to work on some kinda remote reboot mechanism
[12:44] <Joshun> ssh root@pi'sip 'reboot'
[12:44] <booyaa> serial 2 ip so i can see as much of the booting console and also remote power switch
[12:45] <booyaa> bit like catweasel
[12:45] <Joshun> useful
[12:45] <Joshun> anybody know what package lxde-terminal is in?
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[12:46] <Freeduck> lxde-terminal is like worst thing ever
[12:46] <Joshun> its lightweight
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[12:46] <Joshun> and has few deps
[12:46] <Freeduck> try rxvt-unicode (yummy)
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[12:46] <Joshun> i'm using fluxbox anyway
[12:46] <Joshun> thanks
[12:47] <booyaa> i really should vnc onto my rpi, have yet to see anything graphical :D
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[12:47] <Freeduck> you wont thank me when you realise you need to use 2+ hours to set it up perfectly. ahh all the time i use to be more productive
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[12:51] <Joshun> xfce-terminal is not bad
[12:51] <Joshun> but would probably have extra deps
[12:51] <zgreg> only terminals based on libvte are worth considering, anyway :)
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[12:53] <Joshun> does rxvt support multiple tabs
[12:53] <Joshun> control-shift-t doesn't seem to work
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[12:54] <freezer> hi
[12:54] <freezer> will there be a updated debian image soon?
[12:54] <fairuz> wheezy beta
[12:54] <Joshun> or raspbian
[12:54] <Joshun> which is based on debian
[12:54] <freezer> where can i download it?
[12:54] <Freeduck> Joshun, config file
[12:55] <fairuz> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435
[12:55] <Joshun> Freeduck - lol, i think i will just use gnu screen instead
[12:55] <reider59> Wheezy is brilliant!
[12:55] <Freeduck> anyways when i try to run mplayer i just get a blank box. what to do?
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[12:55] <Freeduck> Joshun, well kinda the point to play around with it.
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[12:56] <freezer> fairuz, does it come with 2d acceleration ?
[12:56] <fairuz> freezer: No idea. Do Rpi has 2d accelerator?
[12:57] <Joshun> i don't think it will work until they get hardware-accelerated xorg
[12:57] <Joshun> the gpu seems to lock up completely if you try to run certain programs
[12:57] <fairuz> It's always complicated with the gpu
[12:57] <Joshun> ssh gets killed too
[12:58] <Freeduck> they they choice a closesource gpu it's hard to fix it
[12:58] <Joshun> was it cheaper than one with opensource drivers or something
[12:58] <Joshun> sysrq keys don't seem to work either
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[12:59] <Freeduck> more preformence for the money i guess
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[13:01] <freezer> so they bought hardware without driver
[13:01] <freezer> :D
[13:01] <freezer> and no documentation
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[13:02] <Joshun> one with a freer drive would probably have better performance
[13:02] <Joshun> because they could actually fix it
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[13:04] <Joshun> TTY terminals are really small on a 7" screen
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[13:05] <Freeduck> it's the one bad thing about rpi, as i see it
[13:07] <KrnlPanic> Woohoo!
[13:07] <KrnlPanic> Scheduled Delivery:
[13:07] <KrnlPanic> Friday, 07/06/2012, By End of Day
[13:07] <KrnlPanic> Last Location:
[13:07] <KrnlPanic> Departed - West Columbia, SC, United States, Thursday, 07/05/2012
[13:07] <Joshun> anybody want ssh access to a pi?
[13:08] <Joshun> pi@
[13:09] <Veryevil> How secure is that?
[13:10] <Freeduck> password?
[13:11] <Joshun> pi
[13:11] <muep> do comparable SoCs to the one on RPi exist, such that there'd be reasonable free drivers for them?
[13:11] <Joshun> there isn't root access
[13:11] <Freeduck> meh so bad
[13:11] <Joshun> i've changed the default password
[13:12] <Joshun> well at least now anyway
[13:12] <PReDiToR> The nice thing about being able to SSH into your RasPi is that you're responsible for anything that gets downloaded to it. And complete strangers would never try and get you into trouble, right?
[13:12] <Freeduck> puh, what can you do? rm*rf
[13:12] <Joshun> lol
[13:12] <Joshun> there's nothing of value there anyway
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[13:12] <Joshun> its all under root access
[13:13] <Freeduck> yeah, basicly you can't do anything fun without su
[13:13] <PReDiToR> forkbombs work with user privs.
[13:15] <dutchfish> Joshun, if you haven't changed the default /etc/ssh/ sha's i still can gain root access.
[13:15] <Joshun> the password is secure though
[13:15] <Joshun> ssh actually just got killed anyway
[13:16] <Joshun> how do you stop certain users downloading stuff etc.
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[13:16] <Joshun> would be an interesting test of security
[13:17] <dutchfish> Joshun, sheel access isnt secure pure sang, unless you create its own jailroot
[13:17] <dutchfish> shell*
[13:17] <dutchfish> just my 2 cents
[13:18] <Joshun> how do you customise /etc/ssh then
[13:18] <dutchfish> and has nothing to do with the raspi alone
[13:18] <dutchfish> Joshun, if you are on wheezy i can explain
[13:18] <Joshun> well raspbian
[13:18] <Joshun> so should be the same
[13:19] <Joshun> the daemon is off currently anyway
[13:19] <dutchfish> stop ssh server /etc/init.d/ssh stop
[13:19] <Joshun> service ssh stop
[13:19] <dutchfish> rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*
[13:20] <dutchfish> and recreate keys: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
[13:20] <dutchfish> thats it, then start server again /etc/init.d/ssh start
[13:20] <Joshun> ok thanks
[13:20] <Joshun> its pointless having root keys anyway
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[13:21] <dutchfish> Joshun, also readup how to harden your debian from the wiki
[13:21] <dutchfish> debian rules ;)
[13:21] <Joshun> i ran your command
[13:21] <Joshun> and now ssh fails to start
[13:21] <Joshun> config not found
[13:21] <Joshun> lol
[13:21] <dutchfish> have you recreated the keys?
[13:21] <Joshun> no
[13:21] <Joshun> i'll do that now
[13:21] <dutchfish> by the last command i gave
[13:22] <Joshun> its running now
[13:22] <Joshun> done
[13:22] <Joshun> still does't start
[13:22] <dutchfish> Joshun, mm.. can you pastebin what is in /etc/ssh now?
[13:23] <Joshun> after reconfiguring /etc/ssh is still emtpy
[13:23] <dutchfish> Joshun, you did run those commands as root or sudo?
[13:23] <Joshun> yeah
[13:23] <Joshun> oh hang on
[13:23] <dutchfish> you have rm all file in ssh? i did not instruct you to do so
[13:23] <Joshun> i did dpkg-reconfigure ssh not openssh-server
[13:24] <dutchfish> ehe
[13:24] <Joshun> generating keys now
[13:24] <dutchfish> reading is an art too ;)
[13:24] <Joshun> starts now
[13:24] <dutchfish> there you go.
[13:24] <Joshun> cheers
[13:25] <dutchfish> Joshun, did you also removed pi from the sudoers group?
[13:25] <Joshun> there is no sudo
[13:25] <Joshun> it just has root on the machine
[13:25] <dutchfish> (or any users fro remote access)
[13:25] <Joshun> its raspbian don't forget
[13:25] <dutchfish> for*
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[13:25] <Joshun> authentication is by su only
[13:26] <dutchfish> Joshun, ok, i have no clue about that.
[13:26] <Joshun> there is an actual root user
[13:26] <Joshun> not an elevated one
[13:26] <Joshun> so you could do ssh root@ip
[13:26] <dutchfish> disable that inside the openssh config in /etc
[13:26] <Joshun> speaking of ip's, now would be a good time to change mine :)
[13:27] <Joshun> how
[13:27] <dutchfish> you don't want to give root access to your raspi ;)
[13:27] <Joshun> how do you disable it
[13:27] <dutchfish> read hte man page
[13:27] <Joshun> oh
[13:27] <Joshun> permitrootlogin
[13:27] <dutchfish> i believe it is even documented in the config file itself, not sure.
[13:28] <Joshun> struggling to read it on a 7" lol
[13:28] <dutchfish> you figure that one out
[13:28] <dutchfish> Joshun, thats an understatement, i would be able at all, being an old farth ;)
[13:29] <dutchfish> wouldn't*
[13:29] <KrnlPanic> I'm on Android 4.0.4 and flash plays fine for me.. all sites work perfectly..
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[13:29] <dutchfish> Joshun, anyway, have fun.
[13:29] <Joshun> that root thing works anyway
[13:29] <Joshun> root now gets permission denied
[13:29] <dutchfish> ok
[13:30] <Joshun> surely ssh should check whether a user actually exists on the machine before logging in
[13:31] <dutchfish> yep
[13:31] <Joshun> i mean before asking for the password
[13:31] <nid0> ofc it does, cant login to a user that isnt there
[13:31] <dutchfish> Joshun, nope
[13:31] <Joshun> but then i suppose that would be less secure
[13:31] <drazyl> Joshun exactly
[13:31] <dutchfish> Joshun, unless you instruct it to do so.
[13:32] <nid0> Joshun: if you disable root login via ssh the user is still there, but will only tell you you cant access it with the right password
[13:32] <nid0> plenty of other ways to set ssh to fail immediately though
[13:32] <dutchfish> nid0, true
[13:32] <Joshun> i can't believe on windows telnet is still the default
[13:32] <Joshun> so insecure
[13:33] <dutchfish> There are also tools to deny to many tries
[13:33] <nid0> the default what?
[13:33] <Joshun> remote login system
[13:33] <Joshun> shell login
[13:33] <freezer> terminal service?
[13:33] <nid0> it isnt
[13:33] <nid0> windows has a telnet client, but so does *nix.
[13:33] <Joshun> well under disable/enable features it is there
[13:33] <freezer> client != server
[13:33] <Joshun> and ssh isn't
[13:34] <nid0> thats because windows has a telnet client built in, but not an ssh client
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[13:34] * dutchfish mumbles something about putty
[13:34] <Joshun> doesn't come with putty though
[13:35] <dutchfish> nope
[13:35] <Joshun> debian comes with an ssh client
[13:35] <dutchfish> yep
[13:36] <Freeduck> Never used ssh before, how do i set it up?
[13:36] <Joshun> apt-get install openssh-server
[13:37] <Joshun> btw, is sftp more secure than samba?
[13:37] <dutchfish> samba isnt secure at all of its own
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[13:37] <dutchfish> and not ment tobe
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> afternoon...
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[13:37] <muep> sftp is reasonably secure by default
[13:38] <Joshun> so the passwords for samba are sent in plain text then, presumeably
[13:38] <muep> if you just have reasonably good passwords
[13:38] <Joshun> how do you encrypt samba
[13:38] <dutchfish> Joshun, not if you intructed samba to do so
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> aargh. samba configs ...
[13:39] <dutchfish> :)
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> the default in samba is to encrypt the passwords.
[13:39] <Joshun> oh
[13:39] <muep> isn't samba config format quite ok? at least a simple read-only public server takes just a couple of lines
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> however you can run it in plaintext mode, but you need to poke the registryr in every Win PC using it.
[13:39] <Joshun> not that i would want to
[13:40] <Joshun> at least it is more secure than nfs
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> the downside of encrypted passwords i sthat it's hard to sync the samba password file with the unix password file, so unless your running something ldap you get separate passwords.
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> nfs is as secure as you want it to be.
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> I manage networks using a mix of nfs, nis and samba.
[13:40] <nid0> you can happily run nfs over ssh
[13:41] <nid0> then its every bit as secure as anything else
[13:41] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, or samba on your own backend, like mysql
[13:41] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, its all about PAM
[13:41] <Joshun> but can't you just fake ip's with nfs
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, whatever, but you need the unix/linux side to use the same auth mechanisms to make it all seamless.
[13:42] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, syncing mysql to ldap is easier when all is setup correctly.
[13:42] <Joshun> how does ldap compare to the single sign on system on windows?
[13:42] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, all depends on your needs
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, probably - I've never tried, bu would shy away from that as it adds a huge lump of additional software just to login ..
[13:43] <dutchfish> Joshun, start with reading a good book on samba, and how to setup a large network
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[13:43] <Joshun> would it be as fast as ldap with samba
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> it's not speed I'm concerend about its the number of lines of code to be run just to login/authenticate.
[13:43] <dutchfish> Joshun, samba is not fast, but it can be done
[13:43] <Freeduck> how do i find the andresse to the other machine?
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> more code = more to go wrong...
[13:44] <Joshun> or with sftp
[13:44] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, true
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[13:45] <dutchfish> i prefer hardened NFS4 on an all linux subnet
[13:45] <Joshun> would that be fast enough for full logins etc.
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[13:46] <dutchfish> Joshun, i do even PXE over it, so yes
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, I have a client running an application that won' run under nfsv4...
[13:46] <dutchfish> Joshun, however that depends alot on your NICs and network stuff and backend specs
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[13:46] <gordonDrogon> and sadly then number of 100% linux shops out there are vanishingly small... Oh, I'm a salesperson, at my last company we did it this way... Bah!
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[13:47] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, it needs carefull planning
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, yes, I know. I do it for a living...
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[13:48] <dutchfish> nice
[13:48] <Joshun> i have seen some terrible setup windows networks though
[13:48] <Joshun> where the commandline is disabled by default instead of improving security
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[13:48] <gordonDrogon> the worst unuslly is the little SME who thinks they're saving money and produce quite an abomination of a setup..
[13:48] <dutchfish> security by obscurity, ehe ;)
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> then they get bigger and want someone to support it ...
[13:49] <Joshun> i think users have a right to use the command line really
[13:49] <jouz> Hey there, how do I change to an alternative function of a GPIO? I already exported the pins using echo "14" > /sys/class/gpio/export, but now I don't know further...
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> it's all about being able to do your job effectively.
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> jouz, what alternative function are you after?
[13:49] <jouz> (and I can't find any documentation on how exactly to use the virtual filesystem under /sys/class/gpio
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[13:50] <Joshun> disabling it with the excuse of 'security' is just poor management
[13:50] <Guest14794> hi
[13:50] <jouz> gordonDrogon: For starters, i want to switch the UART0 on 14 and 15 to UART1
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> jouz, pin 14 is the serial Tx pin..
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> jouz, ok... why?
[13:50] <Guest14794> arora, midori slow as hell on archlinuxarm
[13:50] <Guest14794> anybody know why ?
[13:51] <jouz> gordonDrogon: just to learn how to switch a gpio to an alternative function?
[13:51] <zgreg> Joshun: all embedded GPUs worth the name GPU are pretty closed
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> jouz, ok. you need to write a C program to open /dev/mem, mmap the relevant GPIO areas, then send words to the control registers to change the pin function.
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> jouz, then write a serial driver to use uart1 and compile it into the Linux kernel.
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> jouz, what I'm saying is; don't bother...
[13:52] <jouz> gordonDrogon: I'm pretty sure that should work without a C program, just with the "echo" tool from shell
[13:52] <jouz> I just want to switch it from ALT0 to ALT5
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> jouz, I'm pretty sure it won't work unless you write a C program.
[13:52] <dutchfish> Guest14794, more or less the same on all distro's, it is prolly due to missing 2D acceleration, not implemented yet. Maybe you can get away with netsurf or others.
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[13:52] <Joshun> <Guest14794> probably because we don't have hardware accelerated xorg yet
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[13:53] <jouz> gordonDrogon: :/ but my beaglebone lets me do this...
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> jouz, not all the functionality is supported by the GPIO /sys/class// driver.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> jouz, this is a Pi, not a beaglebone.
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> jouz, different GPIO driver with just a small subset implemented.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> jouz, if you want to noodle with the hardware then I suggest you look at my wiringPi libraries.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> jouz, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[13:54] <jouz> gordonDrogon: ah ok. Thanks!
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> but realistically, the only one your going to change mode on (other than in/out) is GPIO 18 - to switch it into PWM mode.
[13:54] <dutchfish> jouz, also http://www.elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> I do not think there is a driver for the 2nd uart port.
[13:55] <Guest14794> ok :(
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[13:58] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[13:58] <IT_Sean> Morning!
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> after morning...
[13:59] <IT_Sean> Is it?
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> where I am...
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> it's almost lunchtime!
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> but then again... time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
[14:02] <IT_Sean> indeed.
[14:02] <netman87> which rasbian image to use?
[14:02] <IT_Sean> Great HHG reference, as well. :p
[14:02] <netman87> btw here was nice offer from one company
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> I went to see hitchhikers live last week - excellent stage show!
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> netman87, just pick one - any one, you can always add/remove packages yourself afterwards...
[14:02] <netman87> 0.50 eur for Canon 300EG backbag
[14:03] <netman87> gordonDrogon: i know that
[14:03] <netman87> i asked which one i should take
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> netman87, I started with an early one with very new packages, so haven't looked at the newer ones though.
[14:03] <netman87> there is some difference in configures or installed packages
[14:03] <netman87> so feel free to give tip and if u dont have anything to say then dont
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> netman87, I used the Hexxeh image No. 2. I think there's a No. 3 now: http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[14:04] <netman87> im downloading it atm
[14:04] <netman87> pretty small it seems
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[14:04] <gordonDrogon> netman87, I think it's helpful to sometimes hear at least something from other people, even if it's not the 100% answer you want, but I'm more than happy to put you on my ignore list of you like.
[14:06] <netman87> however u feel man
[14:06] <dutchfish> i want to know if there is a planned upgrade path for the 3.2 kernel at archive.rapsberrypi.org/debian or poeple are working on it. Can someone give me some clues?
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> netman87, I feel your being overly critical.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, bootc has produced a 3.2 kernel with all the relevant driver patches in it. I'm running it.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, however as to it's "officialness", I've no idea.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.21+ #2 PREEMPT Thu Jun 28 15:56:37 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, http://www.bootc.net/
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[14:08] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, yes, i tried that out inside my wheezy, but it freezes every now and then, prolly i did something wrong, i used hexxas rpi-update for newer firmware. Thats went smooth. But after rebooting is see mallformed dmesg statements. prolly due to the different abi for gcc.
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[14:09] <netman87> dutchfish: it did same for me
[14:09] <dutchfish> netman87, ah, did you could find a workaround?
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, Hm. Can't say I've noticed issues like that myself... I'm runnign the same kernel on debian, wheezy and raspbian.
[14:10] <Iota> Heh, I just remembered I own the domains raspberryip. Anyone suggest a good project I should use them for? Pi-only ip forwarding? Hah.
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[14:10] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, then i reverted back to the old kernel and firmware. And everything runs smooth again.
[14:11] <booyaa> do you accept forwards to cnames? i.e. domain names rather than ip?
[14:11] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, but maube i try to roll my own next week, with the newer gcc
[14:11] <booyaa> io know it seems redundant but i'd like a raspberry pi vanity domain :D
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, Hm. I did compile my own kernel though - it's rather smaller than the others...
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[14:11] <booyaa> Iota: ^^
[14:11] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, ah, that explains it, what gcc version?
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, I cross compiled it on my workstation...
[14:11] <Iota> booyaa: I'm sure I could.
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> I used the gcc/environment off bootc's site..
[14:12] <booyaa> well when i come up with a project will let you know ;)
[14:12] <booyaa> Iota: what's the domain?
[14:12] <Iota> raspberryip.org and raspberryip.com
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[14:12] <booyaa> we cold have a raspberrypi web ring (remember those?)
[14:12] <booyaa> would be hillarious
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi-gcc (crosstool-NG 1.15.2) 4.6.4 20120402 (prerelease)
[14:12] <Iota> Bought them ages ago, forgot about it.
[14:12] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, i am at gcc (Debian 4.6.3-1) 4.6.3
[14:12] <dutchfish> (wheezy)
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> so not a huge difference in versions.
[14:13] <dutchfish> mm.. true ... i have no clue yet
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> I did strip out almost everything I wasn't intersted in though. My kernel is some 2MB.
[14:14] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, my libc is at 2.13-33
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> Hm. not sure how to work out the libc in the x-compile environment. let me dig into it...
[14:15] <dutchfish> ok
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> libc-2.15.so ?
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> that matches - so marginally newer.
[14:16] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, i am curently having the old kernel which works ok Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #125 PREEMPT Sun Jun 17 16:09:36 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, yea, that's what I got after donig the wheezy upgrades, etc.
[14:17] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, something like dpkg -l | grep libc
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[14:17] <gordonDrogon> I did notice one thing was faster on it and I'm wondering if that has the l2 cache enabled by default while my 3.2 one might not have ...
[14:17] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, correct
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> I can't dpkg on the cross-compiler environment..
[14:18] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, ture, hit me, sorry
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> loks like it's 2.13 under Raspbian though.
[14:18] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, you compiled on amd64/kvm?
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, er on my desktop. no kvm. 32-bit amd.
[14:19] <dutchfish> ok
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> the compiler is a native x86 executable that produces ARM code.
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[14:19] <dutchfish> ok
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> I followed that.
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> seemed to be easier than actually trying to compile the kernel on a Pi itself!
[14:20] <dutchfish> ok, thank you very much, i rince and repeat. I will altho give amd64/kvm a shot as well with unstable/debian.
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> at least it's quicker :)
[14:20] <dutchfish> yup
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[14:21] <Joshun> *
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[14:21] <gordonDrogon> and bootc's kernel has the newer i2c and spi drivers in it - which are on my "to try" list.
[14:21] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, any gestimate how long it on a raspi would take?
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, I'm led to understand 2-3 hours...
[14:22] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, fair enough
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> vs <10 miuntes on my desktop
[14:22] <dutchfish> ehe, yep :)
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[14:23] <gordonDrogon> it's not a spectacularly fast desktop, but seems fine for me - tri-core amd thing at 2.1GHz.
[14:23] * Joshun always wondered what this did
[14:23] * gordonDrogon thinks that you now know.
[14:23] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, thank you again for all the good input! have fun.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> back to hacking wiringPi to use the /sys/class/gpio interface!
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> discovering some oddities in it all. I mistakenly thought that when you did the export operation, it might create the exported gpio files r/w for users, but it's not, so just changed the gpio program to do some chown operations on them.
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> so now I can use the gpio program to export, then run stuff as a normal user without sudo...
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> that might be advantageous for some.
[14:27] <Joshun> supertux runs well in the framebuffer interface
[14:28] <Joshun> btw, are there any gpio dev bindings for the raspi in ruby? i prefer it over python
[14:30] <dutchfish> jouz, also http://www.elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[14:30] <dutchfish> ouch was ment for Joshun
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, yes - speak to Gadgetoid - I must get a link to his site for it though.
[14:32] <Joshun> Gadgetoid - do you know if any ruby bindings exist on the rpi for gpio
[14:33] <Joshun> ouch. yet another gpu lockup
[14:33] <Joshun> brb
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[14:34] <gordonDrogon> maybe I ought to start using the GPU...
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[14:46] <fairuz> gordonDrogon: Push your work somewhere so that we can hack your work :)
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[14:46] <Jck_true> The USB fuses on the RaspPi are soft right? So I screw something up i won't blow the port completely...?
[14:46] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: gem install wiringpi
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[14:50] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: then require 'wiringpi' and io = WiringPi::GPIO.new to set up, and bung io.methods into irb to learn its secrets!
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[14:51] <srin> How do I change the RAM split (between CPU and GPU) in the ARM image?
[14:51] <srin> Arch*
[14:51] <srin> Also, good morning :)
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[14:51] <srin> :(
[14:51] <Jck_true> rpi-update <ram_amount>
[14:51] <three14_2> Anyone's Pi start randomly restarting after a few weeks of normal use? It mostly happens under load and
[14:51] <srin> Thanks.
[14:52] <srin> Does that set CPU amount?
[14:52] <three14_2> happened once durinf quake3 compilation
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[14:52] <three14_2> srin, no
[14:52] <srin> Jck_true: is there a wiki article about it?
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[14:52] <Jck_true> srin: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/ - Yeah https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
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[14:52] <srin> Thanks, I wasn't aware that that tool existed
[14:52] <Gadgetoid> three14_2: I've had crashes when compiling some things, but it's far from random
[14:53] <Jck_true> srin: I don't think it's needed that much anymore AFAIK firmware on the newer builds are fetched with apt-get
[14:53] <srin> Ah, yeah. I saw some raspi firmware pushed to me via pacman -Syu
[14:53] <three14_2> Gadgetoid, there's no rhyme or reason to it. Sometimes it happens randomly in X, sometimes compiling, and lately I've been using quake3 running with cpu vs cpu bots.
[14:53] <three14_2> quake3 tends to cause a reboot after about 3hrs.
[14:54] <srin> What's the maximum throughput on the SD-card interface? I should upgrade from an SDHC Class 4
[14:54] <ReggieUK> ~20MB/s
[14:54] <srin> Thanks
[14:55] <three14_2> Everything's updated through apt and rpi-update. cpu was originally overclocked to 900 but I lowered it when the random restarts began. now it's at 800 and still has the same problem. i've been through multiple psus and voltage tests in various places on the pi show the voltage to be within tolorances.
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> fairuz, what work? the gpio stuff?
[14:57] <fairuz> gordonDrogon: Yep
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> fairuz, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/download-and-install/
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> it's all online.
[14:57] <three14_2> I was also using an adafruit pi box for a case, and it does get rather warm on the underside especially. is there a possibility that the SoC is damaged? Because my logs say nothing in regards to the random restarts. It's like the Pi just decides to flip itself on and off as if i pulled the plug.
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[14:58] <Gadgetoid> fairuz: I pushed it up to a repository
[14:58] <fairuz> That's better
[14:58] <fairuz> :D
[14:58] <Gadgetoid> Here: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPi
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, yes - about 140mA if no-ones already replied...
[14:58] <Joshun> Gadgetoid - cheers
[14:58] <Gadgetoid> I believe gordonDrogon is cooking up some delicious updates that I'll have to roll in
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[14:59] <gordonDrogon> slowly.
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[14:59] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: let me know how it goes, I haven't had much feedback on wiringPiGem
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[14:59] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Right i got an old USB Male - USB Male - Mini USB
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[14:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> three14_2 - sudo rpi-update ,
[14:59] <Joshun> ruby isn't as popular as it ought to be
[14:59] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: true!
[14:59] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: So figured i would plug one into the usb port and the other into a usb power supply - save myself from using a USB hub to power my wifi adapter
[15:00] <three14_2> RaTTuS|BIG, i've done that every day since the random restarts occured. :-\
[15:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk
[15:00] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: I'll be pushing an update to it soon, there are some bugfixes I need to merge in
[15:00] <Jck_true> Joshun: I'm slowly trying to move myself away from PHP and over to Ruby for general scripting etc
[15:00] <Joshun> cool
[15:01] <Joshun> i definitely prefer it over python
[15:01] <Joshun> it doesn't have fear of massive changes either - such as python2 to 3
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[15:01] <three14_2> I really have no other ideas of how to diagnose the problem i am having. but i need definitive info about the SoC, like what is the MTBF, etc/
[15:01] <Jck_true> Ehh changes from Ruby 1.8 to 1.9 seems pretty steep
[15:01] <Gadgetoid> bootc: using your kernel repo on Squeeze results in: Unable to find expected entry main/binary-armel/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, not sure that's going to work (or how) so putting power into one usb port and the dongle into the other?
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, that won't give you any more oomph to the port going to the dongle..
[15:03] <bootc> Gadgetoid: fun, but not really surprising as the packages are only being added to wheezy in my repo
[15:03] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: No - I got the cable for some old external usb harddrives that might use too much power so this enables you to use two ports
[15:03] <Joshun> gpio.c:34:22: fatal error: wiringPi.h: No such file or directory
[15:03] <Gadgetoid> bootc: Ahh
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[15:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> three14_2 - sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog .... do you work with it via ssh ?
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[15:03] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, ah, ok. yea, a Y cable thing, so plug into both USBs on the Pi and then into the dongle.
[15:04] <lrvick> ok so i have bypassed the polyfuses and torn off the 47uF cap and replaced with a 220uF cap... and i can finally run a USB-N10 off the board.
[15:04] <lrvick> that was a bit excessive i think... but whatever
[15:04] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: No no - One into the usb port - one into a usb PSU and one into the dongle
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, ok - good luck :)
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, what's an N10 ?
[15:05] <lrvick> USB-N10 is a mini 80211N wireless adapter by asus
[15:05] <Jck_true> Just wanted to check i won't blow it up :P
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, ah ok.
[15:05] <Joshun> oh forgot to run make install
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, did you take the powere direct from the micro usb inlet?
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[15:05] <gordonDrogon> I saw some photos on the forum of someone doing just that.
[15:05] <three14_2> RaTTuS|BIG, yes but I don't have it with me at work today. After last night's quake3 test to induce a restart, i decided to leave it home, off, to rest. I will double check that log, but I am all but certain that it didn't contain anything out of the ordinary.
[15:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk - not sure then ..... sorry
[15:08] <three14_2> RaTTuS|BIG, its ok, thanks for trying :-) I'd just like to get to the bottom of it before i tear into the other Pis. I need to know if my storing it in a case while overclocked to 900 would have damaged the SoC or other components.
[15:08] <three14_2> ^after a few weeks
[15:08] <Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: Prepare for whining? ;P
[15:09] <ReggieUK> what did I miss?
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[15:10] <IT_Sean> ??
[15:10] <ReggieUK> oh, me changing the topic cos of a formatting error and you reading the topic and spotting the 'registered users' part?
[15:10] <Joshun> ERROR: Could not find a valid gem 'wiringpi' (>= 0), here is why:
[15:10] <Joshun> Found wiringpi (1.0.0), but was for platform armv6l-linux
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[15:11] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: Was that with "gem install wiringpi"
[15:11] <Joshun> yeah
[15:11] <lrvick> Well that experiemtn was less than sucessful. Replacign the 47uF cap with the 220uF did not help with inrush current at all. there must be something else limiting current.
[15:11] <Joshun> i am on raspbian though
[15:11] <Joshun> which is armf
[15:11] <three14_2> ReggieUK, when did you change that? this nick isn't registered, iirc. I suppose I can switch to my registered one.
[15:11] <Gadgetoid> Shouldn't matter??? I don't think, the gem is: wiringpi-1.0.1-armv6l-linux.gem
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[15:12] <IT_Sean> three14_2, the change takes effect on Monday.
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[15:12] <Gadgetoid> Just testing an install and will push this, wonder if you need to be more specific about the gem name
[15:12] <Joshun> the nickserv doesn't even work properly yet btw
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[15:12] <Joshun> just removes the voice
[15:12] <ReggieUK> eh?
[15:12] <ReggieUK> nickserv works
[15:12] <ReggieUK> that's chanserv
[15:12] <Joshun> ChanServ removes voice from Joshun
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[15:13] <Joshun> Gadgetoid: it was just from gem install wiringpi
[15:13] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: try again, just pushed 1.0.1
[15:13] <three14> well, no matter. takes 5sec to identify to nickserv.
[15:13] <IT_Sean> The registration requirement does not take effect until _monday_. :p
[15:13] <IT_Sean> I dunno why chanserv is -v'ing you. It isn't set to.
[15:14] <Joshun> still gives the same error when running gem install wiringpi
[15:14] <Gadgetoid> Raspbian must cause some trouble, I wonder why
[15:14] <Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: Yep
[15:14] <Joshun> unless it thinks armv6 and armf are two different things
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[15:15] <Joshun> uname -a gives: Linux raspberry-pi 3.1.9+ #144 PREEMPT Sun Jul 1 12:37:10 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[15:15] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: it must do, I wonder if it'll work if I push a generic linux version
[15:18] <Joshun> it does something else now
[15:18] <Joshun> Gadgetoid - i'll put the output on pastebin
[15:19] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: try pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/wiringpi-1.0.1.gem
[15:19] <Joshun> http://pastebin.com/wcKsXA3A
[15:20] <Gadgetoid> Ah, interesting
[15:20] <MrZYX> sounds like ruby-dev missing to me
[15:21] <Joshun> i'll try it with ruby-dev installed
[15:21] <Gadgetoid> Curious, I wonder how one allows native extensions to compile without Ruby dev
[15:21] <Joshun> build error
[15:22] <Joshun> a load of stuff about string literals
[15:22] <Joshun> Gadgetoid - do you want me to send you the log?
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[15:23] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: please!
[15:25] <steveccc> I have had an email that farnell are expecting a new delivery of pi's in the next 4 - 6 weeks and will ship as soon as they have them. Could this next shipment be slightly different ie has the hardware been revised or is it still the exact same spec as I took delivery of 2 months ago?
[15:26] <ReggieUK> same spec
[15:26] <Joshun> Gadgetoid - should be sending now
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[15:27] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: I should probably install Raspbian and investigate!
[15:27] <Joshun> yeah
[15:27] <Joshun> if you want the log i can upload it to you
[15:27] <Jck_true> steveccc: same spec
[15:27] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: does the raw WiringPi work for you?
[15:27] <Joshun> haven't tried it properly yet
[15:27] <Joshun> it compiles fine though
[15:27] <anacron> sup
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[15:28] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: clearly my bindings are a bit naff and probably need rewriting by hand
[15:28] <nid0> steveccc: depending on how early you got your first board the only difference is that the new one will come with fcc, ce, and "ce" markings etched on
[15:28] <Joshun> yeah
[15:28] <Gadgetoid> Frustrating that it works for me though, lord knows what I've installed!
[15:29] <Joshun> i don't know enough C to be able to fix it
[15:29] <Gadgetoid> When building on my Mac, I get: error: invalid suffix "b100" on integer constant
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[15:30] <Joshun> ouch
[15:31] <Joshun> i would hang around for testing but need to go now
[15:31] <Joshun> good luck with wiringpi ;)
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[15:32] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: Aye, will see what I can do, toodles!
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[15:33] <anacron> has anyone tested "official" mame with pi?
[15:34] <anacron> just tried to use advancemame but not really the results I was hoping
[15:35] <mkopack> anacron: you check the forums? I know there's been threads on MAME
[15:36] <ReggieUK> try it
[15:36] <ReggieUK> it should apt-get install
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[15:36] <anacron> mkopack: just one topic and it was mostly about advance mame as well
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[15:37] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/search.php?keywords=mame
[15:37] <ReggieUK> try harder ;) there's more than one topic there
[15:39] <ReggieUK> I tried it via apt-get and it does install
[15:39] <ReggieUK> but it doesn't work
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[15:43] <Freeduck> is there a way to copy my sdcard to a .img again?
[15:44] <MrZYX> sure, just flip the dd command around: dd if=/dev/your_sdcard of=./backup.img bs=1M
[15:45] <RaTTuS|BIG> dd if=/dev/sda of=remotemachine -bs=64M conv=sync,noerror
[15:45] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ YWS YMMV
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[15:46] <anacron> ReggieUK: yeah I was actually hoping that by joining here I might find someone who has tried these things
[15:46] <Freeduck> nice will try it
[15:50] <Freeduck> seems to work, thx :D i not need compile gentoo again
[15:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> damn useful those postoffice rubber bands
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[15:57] <booyaa> you the bloke who used to them to bind your rpi on a cd storage spindle?
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[15:59] <ReggieUK> anacron, you did, it doesn't work right now and given that there is more development going on around advmame, I'd probably stick with that
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[16:00] <anacron> ReggieUK: alright
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[16:00] <ReggieUK> ssilver2k does come in here from time to time
[16:01] <liax> PhonicUK: hey, i've seen you've managed to compile mupen64plus on the raspberry pi
[16:01] <ReggieUK> and he has got a website too anacron
[16:01] <ReggieUK> so you could always wait around for him or comment on his site :)
[16:01] <liax> PhonicUK: i am on different hardware but i am getting the same error messages when trying to compile with dynarec: "error: r4300/new_dynarec/linkage_arm.o uses VFP register arguments, mupen64plus does not"
[16:02] <anacron> ReggieUK: okay thanks, I'll try to check it out
[16:02] <liax> PhonicUK: i have not much with arm, hardfp and all that stuff, can you help me with that?
[16:03] <liax> i have not much experience*
[16:03] <liax> or Hexxeh?
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[16:08] <MikeL> Is hexxeh even doing anything with the Pi at the moment?
[16:08] <MikeL> I thought he'd be too busy at Google :P
[16:08] <ReggieUK> don't think so directly atm, he's busy with real life
[16:09] <ReggieUK> but the dev work is still going on on raspbian
[16:09] <ReggieUK> you could look in #raspbian
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[16:11] <liax> ReggieUK: me?
[16:13] <ReggieUK> yup
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[16:17] <Gabrial> As of the third, apparently if you're registered to order you can order up to 10 Pis
[16:17] <booyaa> crikey
[16:18] <reider59> "who ate all the pis`?"
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> Oooh.
[16:18] <Gabrial> This is from newark/element 14
[16:18] <mkopack> I don't even have time to use the 3 I have
[16:18] <mkopack> let alone the pandaboard
[16:18] <frankivo> doh
[16:18] <Gabrial> "*Due to unprecedented demand, the maximum number of Raspberry Pi's to be purchased is 10."
[16:19] <chaoshax> Per address?
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> No. They only have 10 for sale, total.
[16:19] <chaoshax> No I mean if you setup multiple accounts.
[16:19] <chaoshax> You could order more.
[16:19] <Gabrial> Ohs well in that case. Sad days.
[16:19] <Gabrial> lol
[16:19] <chaoshax> But if they are limiting per address them damn it, no chance of schools getting many.
[16:20] <Gabrial> Schools will have special education packages.
[16:20] <reider59> I`m tempted to have another one, even though I gave my code away a few weeks back. but I want to get my nerdkit first and that`s going to be just over ??80 with the bloomin Rip Off Britain import duty of nearly ??20
[16:20] <Gabrial> Which I suspect would at the very begining, be only available in bluk.
[16:20] <Gabrial> bulk*
[16:21] <chaoshax> Is that nerdkit just an atmega with a few bits?
[16:21] <Gabrial> You want to buy an educational pi version, minimum order 30 or something
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[16:22] <chaoshax> Because reider59 you could just order all the parts from ebay and wouldn't likely have to pay import duty.
[16:23] <chaoshax> Under ?30 they are unlikely to care.
[16:23] <chaoshax> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ATMEGA328-ARDUINO-UNO-BOOT-DIL-16MHz-crystal-2x-22pf-/130708553954?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item1e6ed640e2
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[16:25] <reider59> Atmega, 4 line LCD, header already soldered, temp contoller, Guide PDF Book, USB programming cable, solderless breadboard, sample code, 9v battery and connector, voltage regulator, 2 red, 2 yellow, 2, green LEDs`, one pushbutton, 2 SPDT switches, one 7 bit wide DIP switch, piezoelectric buzzer, 4 2N7000 MOSFETS, wires, resistors, etc
[16:25] <reider59> Think I`ll stick with the kit
[16:25] <chaoshax> Ha ha, check farnell pal
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[16:25] <chaoshax> Farnell will sell a lot of that
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[16:25] <chaoshax> Next day delivery.
[16:25] <Joshun> hi
[16:26] <mm0zct> hi
[16:26] <Joshun> does anybody here know if it is possible to disable kernel messages from appearing on the console
[16:26] <Joshun> the broadcom gpu warnings are enough to fill up a tty several times over
[16:26] * plugwash is pretty sure it's possible but doesn't know how to do it
[16:27] <plugwash> think it may be someting related to syslog
[16:27] <Joshun> i just updated the firmware and it seems to have stopped
[16:27] <Gabrial> Generally if something is tossing warnings at you, you should pay attention.
[16:27] <Joshun> i'll leave it for a bit though
[16:27] <Joshun> i bet it'll start again
[16:27] <Joshun> its just the broadcom module
[16:27] <dutchfish> Joshun, why not run the wheezy image? it doesn't.
[16:27] <Joshun> i think it only does it when plugged into RCA video
[16:28] <Joshun> the raspbian one is more optimised
[16:28] <tzarc> try
[16:28] <tzarc> echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/printk
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[16:28] <Joshun> cheers tzarc
[16:28] <Joshun> if it does it again i'll try that
[16:28] <Joshun> i could always add it to /etc/rc.local anyway
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[16:29] <tzarc> *nod*
[16:29] <tzarc> mine's in my initramfs script
[16:29] <tzarc> *shrug*
[16:29] <Joshun> where is initram fs even stored
[16:29] <Joshun> its not in/boot
[16:29] <tzarc> custom kernel
[16:29] <tzarc> built in
[16:29] <Joshun> oh
[16:30] <Joshun> i think the warnings usually occur after startx is given
[16:30] <Gabrial> So just so anyone using openelec knows, and for sraue, if you're running an external drive with some sort of internally configured sleep mode, and it's "asleep" when you try to play a video from it, the Pi will crash.
[16:30] <tzarc> pfft, X :P
[16:30] <Joshun> does the pi kernels even have initramfs
[16:31] <Joshun> or is it built in
[16:31] <tzarc> emergency one does, don't know about the others
[16:31] <Joshun> normal linux boxes don't even boot without it
[16:31] <tzarc> depends on how the kernel is built
[16:31] <Gabrial> Have the x drivers been properly updated for accelleration and such?
[16:31] <tzarc> if you embed all the required modules, you don't need an initramfs
[16:32] <three14> i have been wondering the same, but mine aren't warnings so much as info I don't really care about, like the usb disconnecting and reconnecting my mouse, info about my framebuffer, etc. More annoying than anything as most of the time the random messages obscure both login and prompt.
[16:32] <Joshun> oh
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[16:32] <Joshun> i think it was originally so it could be split over floppies or something
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[16:33] <Gabrial> Sheesh.... hard to imagine an idea of an entire OS fitting on floppies.
[16:33] <Gabrial> lol
[16:34] <Joshun> well hard disks haven't been around forever
[16:34] <Joshun> they had to boot the machines somehow
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> I got X+browser+xterm+linux onto a single floppy.
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> It was some time ago.
[16:34] <three14> years ago i downl^H^H^H^H^H bought a copy of Photoshop 4.0. A friend desperately wanted it and proceeded to come over and attempt to put it all on floppies.
[16:34] <Joshun> that must be very useful
[16:34] <booyaa> i remmeber qnx would run on a floppy
[16:35] <booyaa> that was mind blowing when i first saw it
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> It was lynx
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> But still
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[16:35] <Joshun> floppies are useful for small boot managers for ancient pc's that don't have bios usb boot
[16:35] * booyaa still uses lynx
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> I threw out/gace away all my old PCs with floppies...
[16:35] <booyaa> although lots of sites don't degrade gracefully
[16:36] <booyaa> mind you most people use floppies to make music now
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[16:36] * booyaa has heard the imperial march and game of thrones being played from floppy drives
[16:36] <Joshun> yeah there are some hilarious videos on youtube of ardinuo controlled floppy drivers
[16:36] <Joshun> *drives
[16:37] <three14> i still have an old Sony Mavica digital cam that writes to floppies. Only reason I held onto a 20pk. Of course, the Li-Ion battery for the camera is shot and i doubt i ever use it again.
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[16:37] <Joshun> that must have been painful to take pictures with
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[16:38] <Gabrial> I want to build a box some day that I can just plug any storage device into it and access it.
[16:38] <Gabrial> Could be fun.
[16:38] <reider59> My ex wife got all dressed up sexilly shall we say? I was installing something on the puter by feeding multiple floppies in so I said I just needed a quick wash, fed a floppy in, went back for a rubber, fed a floppy in, etc... eventually going to do my duty. she picked her times!!
[16:38] <reider59> I tried not to give her a floppy
[16:38] * ReggieUK has heard the 'sailors hornpipe' played on a whistling component on a bbc model b
[16:38] <srin> wat
[16:38] <booyaa> lolwut?
[16:39] <three14> Joshun, it wasn't too bad actually, the resolution was only 640x480 and the jpeg compression was high, but for the web at the time, it was pretty good.
[16:39] <Joshun> could be worse
[16:39] <reider59> Daren`t look out the window, sounds like a shotgun next door
[16:39] <Joshun> did it take ages to save the images
[16:39] <hamitron> just pre-ordered my r-pi
[16:39] <booyaa> would it be possible to power the raspberry off an arduino?
[16:39] <hamitron> :)
[16:39] <three14> Joshun, umm, it's been years but i think it only took 2-3sec.
[16:39] <booyaa> or would you need an external source and use the arduino as a switch of sorts?
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, possibly - you could take the 5V off the Arduino to the 5V pin on the GPIO ..
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> booyaa: you'd need an external switch.
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> it *is* possible to power at least 2 Arduinos off a Pi via the USB... (I've done it)
[16:41] <booyaa> is that using the a micro usb powersupply and sticking the arduinos in the two usbs?
[16:41] <booyaa> i.e. sans powered hub?
[16:41] <Gabrial> If it was sans powered hub, I imagine with the right hub you could do a lot more than just 2
[16:42] <booyaa> i'll give it go... might check to see if arduino regulates current
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[16:42] * booyaa still needs to get the hang of electronics currents, voltage it's latin to me
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, 2 Arduinos into the on-board USBs on a Pi.
[16:43] <Joshun> booyaa - v=i*r
[16:43] <reider59> latin here too but good fun if you`re careful
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg is a picture of one being powered. didn't take a phot when I had the 2nd one on...
[16:44] <dutchfish> is there any info of the normal temperatures of IC3 on the Raspi? And what the max figures are?
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[16:44] <booyaa> Joshun: that's omh's law right?
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> If that's the usb/ether one, then I think they mentioned 70C on the forums recently.
[16:45] <Joshun> yeah
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> 70C being the max though.
[16:45] <booyaa> the stuff that baffles me is how to make stuff compatbile
[16:45] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, it curently roughly 45..50 degrees celcius
[16:45] <Gabrial> I don't think there's a lot of info on average because no internal sensors... and not a lot of people have external themometers?
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, not a temp. I'd personally wory about myself...
[16:45] <booyaa> i.e. you want to add a 4xaa battery pack it's 6v, but your rasp wants 5v
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> I checked mine with an IT and contact thermometers.
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> *IR
[16:46] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, ok, just to get reassurance. thanks.
[16:46] <three14> dutchfish, "This is normal. In open air at 24 C, the LAN9512 Ethernet/USB chip reaches about 52 C after some time. This is too hot to touch for more than a few seconds, but it is not unusually hot for the chip. " From the Rpi troubleshooting page.
[16:46] <dutchfish> three14, thank you.
[16:46] <booyaa> did hackaday stick a fancy thermometer on the rasp? did a prety heat photograph
[16:46] <three14> dutchfish, http://www.smsc.com/media/Downloads_Public/Data_Sheets/9512.pdf There's the datasheet. (I assume this is what you meant by IC3)
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> This: http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg has an LM35 temp.sensor on the SoC unit and it never got above 45C - maybe I'll put it on the SMSC chip sometime...
[16:47] <reider59> Wish I`d got one of my USB LCD Modules working. ONE of them has SCAB Board I can connect, with temp sensors and get a screen on the module with readings inc room temp
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[16:48] <Gabrial> Hmmm....
[16:49] <Gabrial> wire a couple of those sensors up to a expansion board with an rtc
[16:49] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, i wonder if a passive SODIP cooler would help.
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> the LM35 is an anaglogue temp. sensor. It's connected to an ATmega chip.
[16:49] <srin> has anyone managed to get a camera stripped from a cellphone to work with the CSI?
[16:50] <reider59> I have a box full of the sensors upstairs, already fastened to wires. Dead sensitive they are too.
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[16:50] <gordonDrogon> dutchfish, the whole thing is designed to run hot - there are pages and pages of people trying stuff on the forums and the RPi people repeatedly saying that it's not needed.
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> I did my lego fan thing as a bit of a spoof...
[16:50] <reider59> The temp doesn`t bother me, just love fooling about with stuff
[16:51] <srin> gordonDrogon: you mean I /don't/ need this oil-cooling rig?
[16:51] <dutchfish> gordonDrogon, ok, fair enough
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> however the sensor was reading the temp, and a program written in BASIC on the Pi was controlling the fan speed via PWM ...
[16:51] <Gabrial> I need a sensor to check the heat build up in my lego case, cause it does seem to get hotter than I imagine it'd get.
[16:51] <reider59> I was tempted to build a mini wind tunnel to cool it but it might blow away ;-)
[16:52] <srin> I suspended the rpi in a hairnet... that way there's better heat circulation
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> Gabrial, might look at one of the 1-wire sensors and connect it to the GPIO and get the 1-wire GPIO driver going in the kernel...
[16:52] <Joshun> anybody know how to get apt bash completion working under the root account?
[16:52] * dutchfish wants a cased passive solution, because where i gone use the raspi humidity would instantly kill it.
[16:53] <srin> and where would that be?
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> in the lid of a fishtank?
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[16:53] <dutchfish> srin, 3rd worl dproject.
[16:53] <srin> I'm interested :)
[16:53] <Gabrial> Hmm.... that could work if I had any sort of electrical know-how/wasn't afraid to fry my pi
[16:53] <dutchfish> srin, west-africa to be precise.
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> oh, you mean Devon - where right now it's been raining for 10 weeks solid )-:
[16:54] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon, Don't try and make that out to be unusual :D
[16:54] <three14> dutchfish, you could add some silica gel to the enclosure.
[16:54] <reider59> Just looked at one of my sensors and they`re wired in such a way you can plug another wired sensor in to each one and make your own circuit. then take a reading from each individual sensor.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> Hm. got some cooking to do. back later.
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> reider59: 1-wire?
[16:54] <chaoshax> reider59, What protocol do they use?
[16:55] <dutchfish> three14, i was more thinking of an aluminum casing water tight but i am stumped about the heat of IC3, maybe a thermal conductor.
[16:56] <dutchfish> three14, or just a SODIP cooler
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[16:56] <three14> dutchfish, if you could find a way to use the case itself to dissipate the heat, that'd be the best bet.
[16:56] <dutchfish> three14, yep, thats my goal
[16:57] <reider59> no idea, it`s years since I last used them with CrystalFontz LCD Modules and a SCAB board but details will be on the site. I just happen to have an external DVD case (carrier) I stuffed an LCD Module into and a hardrive at the back. I drilled the side of the case and out of that is one of the sensors. Looks like twin core and every soften it has a plug socket to push another wire and sensor into.
[16:57] <mkopack> srin: the CSI port requires changes to the BLOB to work, which means the only ones that probably will EVER work are the ones that the RPF provides (since they have to also provide the BLOB to support it)
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[16:58] <three14> dutchfish, well post it onthe forums if you come up with a solution. I'd be interested myself.
[16:58] <dutchfish> three14, ok
[16:58] <reider59> The idea being to plug the LCD Module and hardrive into the USB connectors, use a sensor as room temperature and then wire more through the computer case and check the readings on the USB Module.
[16:59] <reider59> They`re quite flat thin sensors so easy to get to a normal CPU and other places
[16:59] <srin> thanks for the clarification mkopack
[16:59] <srin> that's unfortunate
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[17:04] <booyaa> reider59: got a link for this lcd module doodah?
[17:04] <j0nnymoe> so my replacement raspberry pi arrived today
[17:05] <j0nnymoe> i wonder if this one will work
[17:05] <profil> j0nnymoe: what was wrong with your first one?
[17:06] <j0nnymoe> no HDMI output
[17:06] <j0nnymoe> after trying many hdmi cables/sd cards/power supplies
[17:06] <j0nnymoe> and 5 different tv's
[17:07] <srin> did you try turning hotplug on in config.txt?
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[17:07] <j0nnymoe> yeh i played with the config.txt stuff aswell
[17:07] <j0nnymoe> couldnt even get it to boot over composite
[17:07] <reider59> hang on, got this machine, 2 screens, lappy and Pi on the go
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[17:07] <reider59> http://www.crystalfontz.com/
[17:08] <j0nnymoe> wonder if my case has arrived today
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[17:10] <booyaa> reider59: danke
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[17:10] <reider59> yw
[17:10] <Joshun> if you upgrade openssh-server will ssh get killed?
[17:10] <muep> Joshun: usually no
[17:11] <mm0zct> probably not
[17:11] <muep> or at laest the existing sessions will usually be retained
[17:11] * booyaa need to have a look throyugh my box o junk. pretty certain i've got a nokia that i can salvage the screen off
[17:11] <mm0zct> currently running programs should still reside in memory
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[17:11] <Joshun> i'll find out soon enough...
[17:11] * booyaa might fire up the sharp zaurus for giggles
[17:11] <ReggieUK> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-pi-cobbler-kit
[17:11] <booyaa> the iphone has started to sulk because i'm constantly in a shell session talking to the raspberry pi
[17:11] <mm0zct> I have an old razr that died, I wonder what it's screen protocol is like...
[17:12] <Joshun> no idea what init reloading means
[17:12] <ReggieUK> adafruit stole my work :(
[17:12] <ReggieUK> actually, they didn't but I made one of those when my pi turned up
[17:12] <liax> ReggieUK: do you know at which times PhonicUK and Hexxeh are around usually?
[17:13] <chaoshax> No buffers though ReggieUK :(
[17:13] <ReggieUK> and lots of crosstalk
[17:13] <ReggieUK> liax, no idea when hexxeh is about, he's busy irl atm I think
[17:13] <ReggieUK> but if you join #raspbian
[17:14] <ReggieUK> that's teh closest you'll get to hexxeh (people that are continuing his great work)
[17:14] <liax> ok, thanks :)
[17:14] <ReggieUK> chaoshax, yeah, lots of crosstalk on the header too
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[17:15] <ReggieUK> I setup gpio-keys on there
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[17:15] <ReggieUK> couldn't be bothered to wire up a button to check it worked, so just had a bit of hookup wire to short the pins
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[17:16] <ReggieUK> turns out there's enough noise in there to not need to short the pins, you can just flick the wire
[17:16] <three14> Anyone here pre-order a Nexus-7?
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[17:16] <dirty_d> galaxy nexus or razr maxx?
[17:16] <dirty_d> i need a new phone bad
[17:16] <ReggieUK> and it will fire spurios button presses every now and again just by waving your hand near it
[17:16] <plugwash> is the raspberrypi website down for everyone or just me?
[17:17] <three14> dirty_d, is google still selling the galxay nexus for $349 unlocked?
[17:17] <srin> plugwash: just you
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[17:17] <ReggieUK> plugwash, just you it seems
[17:17] <dirty_d> three14, i dunno, but amazon is selling it to me for $50 as an upgrade, razr maxx is $200
[17:17] <Gabrial> Oh good, by the time we're forced to register to enter the room I'll be home. ^_^
[17:18] <ReggieUK> plugwash, current IP is if that's useful?
[17:18] <three14> dirty_d, appears out of stock or remove for the time being due to a lawsuit. https://play.google.com/store/devices
[17:18] <Gabrial> curl icanhazip.com
[17:18] <ReggieUK> you can still order them in the UK
[17:19] <dirty_d> three14, unlocked in what selse?
[17:19] <dirty_d> sense
[17:19] <three14> three14, not carrier locked.
[17:19] <dirty_d> oh, im getting verizon anyhow
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[17:20] <dirty_d> hmm, galaxy nexus for $50 is probably a much better choice than the razr maxx for $200
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[17:20] <three14> I was looking at the Galaxy Nexus myself when i saw the unlocked price. Still using an iPhone 3GS (which is still kicking ass, tbh)
[17:20] <Veryevil> Would love a Galaxy Nexus
[17:20] <reider59> Once you`ve booted from the SD Card could you take it out for a short time in Debian Squeeze or Wheezy then use the SD Card Slot to do something?
[17:21] <three14> I ordered a Nexus 7 about a week ago. THe wait isn't as long as the Pi was, though.
[17:21] <booyaa> so close to finishing this project WOOOOO!
[17:21] <dirty_d> i dont even use my phone enough to care this much about this decision
[17:21] <mm0zct> reider59: the linux kernel would probably get upset
[17:21] <dirty_d> lol
[17:21] <ReggieUK> only if you switch root to something else or your rootfs is sitting in ram
[17:22] <booyaa> this was not the time to learn about mvc and shared iis hosting
[17:22] <reider59> okies, I can get around that another way, thanks
[17:22] <ReggieUK> so there are ways to do it reider59
[17:22] <three14> dirty_d, yea but you don't want a hunk of junk. It's like buying anything else. like a car or shoes.
[17:23] <dirty_d> yea
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[17:23] <dirty_d> my droid 2 has a badly cracked screen
[17:24] <dirty_d> its getting annoying
[17:24] <three14> heh, my iphone 3gs has a small crack in the back, above the dock connector. that's the only damage it's incurred over the last...3yrs?
[17:25] <nid0> my e90 from 2007 is still flawless \o/
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[17:30] <three14> Nexus 7 ships in 2-3wks. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be junk.
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[17:38] <booyaa> three14: that happened to mine and i prolly cracked it because it was in a very tight jean pocket
[17:41] <Arch-RPi> man my A10 is taing forever toget...along with the damned cables from ebay
[17:41] <Arch-RPi> err taking
[17:42] <three14> booyaa, could be. the plastic is weak there. i always keep my phone in my right pocket, lcd facing my leg. so i imagine the plastic back takes a pounding.
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[17:42] <reider59> Ya Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
[17:43] <reider59> Got the DF3120 to boot with the penguin or whatever it is on it!
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[17:43] <reider59> the pic frame
[17:43] <Arch-RPi> ReggieUK: opps sorry..its a hard habit to break :(
[17:43] <reider59> need to see what`s next now
[17:43] <dmsuse> how come my older pi cpu doesn't say samsung on it
[17:43] <dirty_d> know whats crazy?
[17:44] <dirty_d> the proton beams circling around the LHC have the same energy as a nimitz class aircraft carrier moving at 6 knots
[17:44] <mikey_w> Different memory.
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[17:45] <mikey_w> It's the marking on the pop memory device.
[17:45] <dirty_d> or a regular sized car moving 1712 kilometers per hour
[17:45] <dmsuse> dirty_d: it's just light?
[17:45] <dirty_d> dmsuse, hmm?
[17:45] <dirty_d> dmsuse, light as in little mass?
[17:45] <dirty_d> yea
[17:45] <dmsuse> isn't it just photons they are sending round?
[17:46] <dirty_d> yea, lots of them
[17:46] <dirty_d> moving 3 meters per second slower than light
[17:46] <dmsuse> i can't imagine there is much energy in those :P
[17:46] <Veryevil> not photons! Protons
[17:46] <dmsuse> oh
[17:46] <dmsuse> cool
[17:46] <dirty_d> oh, yea protons
[17:46] <Veryevil> which have very little mass
[17:46] <Veryevil> Photons have no mass
[17:46] <dirty_d> well the mass increases as they speed up
[17:47] <dirty_d> you can keep adding energy forever
[17:47] <Veryevil> and this is one of the questions finding the Higgs will help us with
[17:47] <dirty_d> they will just get heavier and heavier
[17:47] <mikey_w> Photons have mass else solar sails wouldn't work.
[17:47] <dirty_d> mikey_w, no, its due to antoher effect
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[17:47] <dirty_d> they have no rest mass
[17:47] <mikey_w> Magic?
[17:48] <dirty_d> no, radiation pressure
[17:49] <mikey_w> mass
[17:50] <mikey_w> Pressure without mass doesn't exist.
[17:50] <dirty_d> rest mass and mass are different
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> Right. new gpio stuff appears to be OK - more testing needed, but it's a start.
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> anyone think of more functionality to add into the command-line gpio program?
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[17:52] <PhonicUK> liax, I'm around
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[17:52] <PhonicUK> you were asking after me?
[17:52] <_n_> hi there. I got a "invitation to order" link from alliedelec.com. I don't need it, as I already ordered elsewhere. anyone want it?
[17:53] <ReggieUK> What I could never get my head around is how photons manage to make it across the universe without mass
[17:54] <Arch-RPi> ReggieUK: magic
[17:54] <mervaka> ..
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> ReggieUK: Photons are a lie.
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> They are statistical fluctuations in space-time.
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[17:54] <srin> photons are just a myth fabricated by the CIA as part of MKUltra
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> In the point of view of the photon, it's emitted and absorbed at the same instant. There is not time.
[17:55] <dirty_d> word
[17:55] <ReggieUK> yet they're actually managing to capture photons (or the effects of what we think photons are?)
[17:55] <ReggieUK> capture as in slow down/stop and release again
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[17:56] <_n_> how do they know it's the same photon they release again?
[17:57] <ReggieUK> it's got a badge
[17:57] <ReggieUK> my name is......
[17:57] <ReggieUK> p.hoton
[17:57] <_n_> that's handy
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[17:57] <_n_> does it also have rfid in case it gets lost?
[17:58] <ReggieUK> pocket sized gps tracker apparently
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> You can't slow down a photon.
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[17:58] <SpeedEvil> It always goes at the speed of light.
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[17:59] <ReggieUK> http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2002/27mar_stoplight/
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[17:59] <dmsuse> don't prisms slow down photons when entering ?
[18:00] <Veryevil> yeah but they are still light
[18:00] <Veryevil> there are just at a slower speed of light
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[18:01] <dirty_d> i dont think it actually slows them down
[18:01] <dirty_d> theyre absorbed and reemitted inside the prism
[18:01] <Veryevil> the speed of light is only contstant in a vaccume
[18:01] <Veryevil> vacuume
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> That's not really stopping light ReggieUK, any more than recording someones voice is stopping sound.
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[18:02] <ReggieUK> fair enough but you can see where my confusion comes from having seen someone like nasa post news like that
[18:04] <dmsuse> Below: Before she managed to stop light altogether, Lene Hau and colleagues first slowed it to bicycle speeds in 1999. [more]
[18:04] <ReggieUK> although they do directly claim to be able to slow the photons down via interactions with atoms in a gas
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[18:05] <nid0> keep reading though, it then says the effect relies on leaving behind an imprint of the photons in the gas, but with no photons themselves remaining
[18:05] <nid0> and then recalling that imprint with another laser
[18:06] <ReggieUK> so they're inferring that it slowed/stopped because it left an imprint on some atoms?
[18:07] <nid0> the idea seems to be that theyre leaving behind a footprint of the light, and can then use the footprint to make a new identical foot
[18:07] <nid0> so storing a recording of it effectively, then being able to recall it
[18:10] <mjr> Yeah. Calling it stopping the light is on the other hand a bit of sensationalistic titling, but on the other hand, it's not like particles have identity, so sure, whatever.
[18:11] <ReggieUK> from teh other snippets around the web I've read that it kind of depends on what you're looking for but essentially, the photon always moves at the speed of light
[18:12] <ReggieUK> which I still don't understand (but accept :) )
[18:12] <nid0> it does, but the speed of light changes depending on the medium
[18:12] <svenstaro> my rpi is almost unusable using usb keyboard, it repeats a lot of the presses or doesnt register some
[18:12] <svenstaro> why?
[18:12] <Freeduck> got a strange problem, installed arch linux. updated, added user. but now i can't type my password after username
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[18:13] <svenstaro> Freeduck: what happens?
[18:13] <Freeduck> not know... logout from root and now i can't even log in with root. just blank after I input username
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[18:14] <dmsuse> svenstaro: not enough power?
[18:14] <zutto> lol
[18:14] <zutto> Freeduck: just type your password and press enter, thats how login is on linux, you dont see how many characters you have input in the terminal, or any other feedback
[18:15] <svenstaro> dmsuse: meh, connected to a self-powered usb hub
[18:15] <svenstaro> dmsuse: I'm gonna try my htc power supply
[18:15] <ReggieUK> nid0 but surely that's pedantically (not by you) just moving the goal posts
[18:15] <Freeduck> not work, tried it. tried blank, username (with password after in planetext) and password (with and without username after)
[18:16] <nid0> zutto, you do get a prompt for the password though. Freeduck, if it isnt asking for a password at all and does nothing, you may have messed up your users file
[18:16] <zutto> ..right
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[18:16] <Freeduck> reinstall? or can i fix it?
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[18:17] <nid0> ReggieUK: well, depends how you look at it. As SpeedEvil said, the "speed of light" is only a constant in a vacuum, its more just an incorrectly used term assuming its a static value when it isnt
[18:17] <nid0> like associating something with the "speed of running" when people can run at different speeds and in different environments
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[18:17] <three14> or saying 'a snail's pace'
[18:17] <ReggieUK> I Was going to say use speed of cat but running is good :)
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[18:18] <svenstaro> dmsuse: conneced a bigger pipe now, lets see
[18:18] <svenstaro> dmsuse: no fic
[18:18] <svenstaro> fix
[18:19] <dmsuse> there are quite a few keyboard which just don't work with the pi
[18:19] <dmsuse> you must have one :P
[18:19] <svenstaro> I toggled keyboard backlight off
[18:19] <svenstaro> now works kinda well
[18:19] <svenstaro> TIL my keyboard eats a lot of power
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[18:20] <dmsuse> what size power you using?
[18:20] <three14> svenstaro, i went through three keyboards before i found a cheap enough one that works.
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[18:20] <svenstaro> dmsuse: come again?
[18:20] <svenstaro> three14: meh this one has to work as it is my only one :P
[18:20] <dmsuse> what amp power supply are you using?
[18:20] <svenstaro> dmsuse: 1A
[18:20] <svenstaro> htc standard issue
[18:21] <dmsuse> for the usb hub
[18:21] <dmsuse> ?
[18:21] <svenstaro> oh that, hang on
[18:21] <svenstaro> 2A on the usb hub
[18:22] <dmsuse> k
[18:22] <svenstaro> shouldnt it be better?
[18:22] <svenstaro> than my 1A power?
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[18:22] <svenstaro> wasnt able to power a wireless dongle from either
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[18:23] <dmsuse> duno
[18:23] <dmsuse> 2a should easily power a keyboard i would have thought :P
[18:23] <svenstaro> anyway, my pi becomes sad upon typing iwlist scan
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[18:23] <dmsuse> sad?
[18:23] <svenstaro> yes it stops working until I disconnect the dongle
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[18:23] <svenstaro> must be a sad pi indeed
[18:24] <dmsuse> stops working?, as in you have wireless working fine up untill you iwlist scan?
[18:24] <svenstaro> no, wireless doesnt work at all and the terminal hangs upon typing that
[18:24] <dmsuse> did you check dmesg? that you have the firmware loaded?
[18:24] <svenstaro> and the dongle doesnt blink happily
[18:25] <svenstaro> the firmware for the dongle?
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[18:25] <dmsuse> yes?
[18:25] <svenstaro> most surely doesnt need any, it's a ath9k
[18:25] <dmsuse> k
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[18:25] <svenstaro> the pi still becomes sad and eventually tells me resource not available
[18:26] <svenstaro> I think it's lacking juice
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[18:26] <svenstaro> the same dongle works likea charm on other computers
[18:27] <dmsuse> so it still needs more juice plugged into that 2amp hub?
[18:28] <svenstaro> apparently, maybe I can plug the hub itself into the pi and powered stuff that way
[18:28] <svenstaro> Im gonan try that
[18:28] <dmsuse> uhh? isn't that the only way to do it?
[18:28] <dmsuse> what other ways are there?
[18:29] <svenstaro> the hub powers the pi currently
[18:29] <svenstaro> now I'm gonna connect the usb cable to the pi itelf
[18:29] <dmsuse> oh
[18:29] <svenstaro> so it powers itself with its own hub :P
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[18:30] <svenstaro> basically pipi ^^
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[18:30] <three14> or the plot of yet another Human Centipede film.
[18:30] <dmsuse> yeah thats not a good way :P
[18:30] <dmsuse> try the other way
[18:30] <three14> Human CentiPi!
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[18:32] <svenstaro> omg
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[18:34] <passstab> anyone have any ideas for making system administration fun?
[18:34] <svenstaro> use arch
[18:34] <svenstaro> ok now I got the 1A htc psu on the pi and other shit on the 2A hub connected to the pi but not powering it
[18:34] <nid0> setup a script to randomly kill a random server/service at random intervals
[18:35] <svenstaro> keyboard is still acting up
[18:35] <svenstaro> but why? it is powered from the hub now
[18:35] <three14> svenstaro, just to be sure, you've installed/ran rpi-update, yes?
[18:35] <passstab> no arch is what i use to make people learn it
[18:35] <passstab> what do i do to make it exciting?
[18:35] <nid0> ^
[18:35] <svenstaro> three14: where would that be
[18:36] <three14> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
[18:36] <svenstaro> three14: also doesn't archarm have the newest firmware anyway?
[18:36] <three14> svenstaro, it might be in aur, but i haven't used arch on the pi since day one.
[18:36] <BenO> passstab, ah no, I only know of things to help make the opposite fun... eg http://owasp.com/index.php/Category:OWASP_WebGoat_Project
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[18:38] <dutchfish> just rpi-update'd hexxus last patches from the git today. I can confirm now that on my wheezy install, kernel boot is alot faster, no hangs anymore and the reboot issue has been solved. Kudos.
[18:38] <dutchfish> (patches from July 5th)
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[18:44] <yggdrasil> whats up guys
[18:45] <mervaka> bad day on the road, thats whqt :(
[18:45] <mervaka> what*
[18:45] <yggdrasil> ehh ?
[18:45] <mervaka> some barry boy driving too fast on backroads nearly wrote my car off, then got home and couldnt park because of school run mums..
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[18:52] <yggdrasil> mervaka: lame.
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[19:18] <dirty_d> mervaka, hows that stuf coming?
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[19:31] <tech2077> anyone have any idea why my /etc/modules modules wouldn't be loading at boot
[19:33] <Stonewaulburg> soooo my eyes might have decieved me, but did element 14 tell me that i can now order a raspberry pi?
[19:34] <markllama> Someone said recently that one of the distrubuters was going to move to general orders soon
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[19:35] <SpeedEvil> uk.farnell.com say 'opening to orders soon'
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[19:37] <srin> Meh. I'm waiting for v2
[19:37] <markllama> heh
[19:38] <markllama> not a bad idea, depending on what comes out of this
[19:38] <srin> I already have one :)
[19:38] <markllama> if this acts like a market incentive the way OLPC did for netbooks, you'll see lots more slick commercial offerings in a year or so.
[19:38] <markllama> <he said he already has one!>
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[19:41] <passstab> anyone consider running a tier 2 dns server on the RPI ?
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[19:42] <tech2077> all the orders will be backorders
[19:42] <tech2077> 10-14 week delivery times
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[19:50] <dwatkins> X-windows and my text console take up only the middle quarter of the display vertically, has anyone experienced this after leaving it running for a while, even after a reboot?
[19:51] <dwatkins> perhaps middle third is more accurate
[19:52] <dmsuse> you need to change your config file and set the correct resolution?
[19:53] <dwatkins> oops, forgot I'd set a config.txt, thanks dmsuse :)
[19:53] <dwatkins> I was trying to set X to low resolution, as it defaults to use the native res of the TV
[19:54] <dmsuse> you do that in xorg.conf
[19:54] <dwatkins> thanks
[19:54] <dmsuse> n
[19:54] <dmsuse> p
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[19:55] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[19:56] <tech2077> dwatkins, have you adjusted underscan
[19:56] <dmsuse> http://rpitc.blogspot.co.uk/
[19:56] <dmsuse> ^^ copy what he put in xorg.conf
[19:56] <dwatkins> tech2077: no, I just created a config.txt in /boot, have just removed it as clearly setting the framebuffer resolution isn't the solution I need
[19:57] <dwatkins> thanks dmsuse :)
[19:57] <dmsuse> but don't use vi it sucks, uses nano because it rawkz
[19:57] <dwatkins> heh, I know the keys for vi, though ;)
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[19:57] <dmsuse> ah your good then, i don't know the keys for vi, which is why i hate it ;)
[19:57] <dwatkins> yeah, fair enough
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[19:58] <dwatkins> I was hoping by setting the FB resolution it would also affect X, but having just X11 at low res will do nicely
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[20:04] <booyaa> okay going to need tweak my memory settings, rpi doesn't like running wordpress
[20:04] <booyaa> lol
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[20:04] <booyaa> load flew up and memory started to vanish at a scary rate
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[20:39] <Arch-RPi> does anyone know if its possible to use the synergy client via onsole only and not use x11?
[20:40] <Arch-RPi> err console
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[20:40] <MrZYX> why would you want to do that?
[20:41] <Arch-RPi> see if it can be done
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[20:42] <Joshun> anybody else had a kernel panic yet?
[20:42] <Joshun> my pi just did one
[20:42] <Joshun> rebooted, now fine
[20:42] <Joshun> crazy broadcom firmware!
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[20:43] <mythos> Arch-RPi, synergy uses the mouse to focus an application. the question alone indicates, that you have not understand, what synergy does
[20:44] <MrZYX> and what would be the benefit over ssh if it would work?
[20:45] <Arch-RPi> mythos: a simple, it does not work would have sufficed
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[20:46] <mythos> Arch-RPi, it does not work
[20:46] <Arch-RPi> ok then
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[20:47] <markllama> To be more clear: if I understand what synergy does, it's not useful outside the context of a graphical environment.
[20:48] <mythos> Arch-RPi, don't be blue. it's better to ask, than to stop to learn new stuff
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[20:49] <markllama> in a CLI environment, something like ssh or a serial console and terminal server are sufficient to "redirect" or "extend" the reach of the keyboard. Outside a graphical environment a mouse is not generally useful.
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[20:53] <reider59> using vi, I read that typing zz saves and quits but it isn`t happening. Any ideas? Never used vi before
[20:53] <Arch-RPi> markllama: ok, thank you for that explaination
[20:53] <Arch-RPi> reider59: try :wq
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[20:53] <the_cuckoo> or :x
[20:53] <Arch-RPi> or that
[20:53] <reider59> press return after typing it?
[20:53] <markllama> reider59: did you prefix with an ESC?
[20:54] <markllama> vi is a "modal" editor. You're in input mode or command mode. From input mode all keystrokes go into the file
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[20:54] <markllama> to get back to command mode use the ESC key
[20:54] <Arch-RPi> reider59: if your not familiar with vi then i would suggest nano
[20:54] <Fabryz> does anyone know if Allied Electronics ships to Italy?
[20:54] <the_cuckoo> reider59: yes - esc :x<return>
[20:54] <reider59> think that worked, thanks. Used escape then zz
[20:54] <Arch-RPi> vi takes some getting used to
[20:55] <the_cuckoo> it's worth the initial pain though :)
[20:55] <reider59> What I`m doing will not allow nano so I guessed at vi.
[20:55] <markllama> IMO it's vital in the long run, but it is an impediment to learning at the beginning.
[20:55] <reider59> I`ve Telnet into a picture frame lol
[20:56] <Arch-RPi> reider59: ahhhhhh right
[20:56] <markllama> reider59: when in doubt, in vi use ESC to return to a known state (command mode)
[20:56] <reider59> thanks all, will continue to hack away at it til it either works or blows up, maybe both
[20:57] * markllama thinks the level of nitrogen based high-energy compounds is limited
[20:57] <markllama> that is: short of soldering iron, "blow up" is generally recoverable :-)
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[20:59] <Joshun> scummvm runs well on the pi
[20:59] <Joshun> doesn't lag at all :)
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[21:01] <svenstaro> wat really?
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[21:04] <Joshun> you have to run it in framebuffer mode though
[21:04] <Joshun> otherwise it doesn't start
[21:05] <Joshun> freedoom does too
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[21:10] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: which Raspbian image do you use?
[21:12] <Joshun> the darkbasic one
[21:12] <Joshun> its very basic
[21:12] <Joshun> but faster than the others
[21:12] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: ah, that's the one I picked... nailed it :D
[21:12] <Joshun> i downloaded raspi-config and rpi-update separately and installed them
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[21:13] <Joshun> it doesn't come with bash-completion, or even less or bz2, so you may want to install those after
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[21:15] <markllama> I have to try that tonight
[21:15] <Joshun> Gadgetoid - if you have any kernel panics, let me know - i had one a while ago and wondered what was causing it
[21:15] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: Will do, probably wont be doing anything too heavy on it though
[21:15] <Joshun> i just booted it up once and got a kernel panic
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[21:16] <Joshun> second time was fine though
[21:16] <megatog615> anyone know why the latest kernel can't survive going into screensaver?
[21:16] <Joshun> the gpu can't survive anything these days
[21:16] <Joshun> the only thing it works well on is framebuffer
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[21:17] <Gadgetoid> ho ho, not off to the best of starts, can't even write the image to my new SD card
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[21:19] <Joshun> lol
[21:19] <Joshun> what are you using, dd?
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[21:19] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: I don't think my dodgy SD reader liked it
[21:20] <Gadgetoid> Also there appears to be a Raspi OS installed on here that I've forgotten about
[21:20] <Joshun> if you use dd it should overwrite the whole device
[21:20] <Gadgetoid> Looks already partitioned, tempted to just rsync
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[21:21] <Joshun> i think the raspberry pi could almost do with a compatibility list for games/apps
[21:22] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: might be a long list! I think there's a fairly long one in the latest Magpi ezine
[21:22] <Joshun> yeah
[21:22] <Joshun> just so people know what to avoid so as not to freeze their system
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[21:24] <Joshun> this is useful for framebuffer/cli stuff: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=882596
[21:24] <Joshun> its for ubuntu but should work on debian too
[21:24] <Joshun> shows how to play videos on framebuffer etc.
[21:26] <Peanut> Does anyone know which are the differences between the Rasbian images on their sites? Which one would be recommended?
[21:27] <Joshun> the hexxeh one includes stuff needed by most users - xorg, lxde etc.
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[21:28] <Joshun> darkbasic is nice if you want a very basic image to add other stuff later
[21:28] <Joshun> haven't tested the other one
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[21:31] <Crollalfa> Hello! Does any one know if ther is a case to the pi? I read somewhere that they planed to start shipping with case in Q2 2012..
[21:31] <Peanut> Joshun: ok, I'll give that a try then.
[21:31] <Gadgetoid> Crollalfa: depends what sort of case you want, there are a few available
[21:31] <Joshun> Peanut - i'd recommend downloading rpi-update too, since it isn't shipped with the image
[21:31] <Joshun> well not the darkbasic one
[21:32] <Joshun> but it is with hexxeh's one
[21:32] <booyaa> heh even on 224/32 split to ARM wordpress kills rpi
[21:32] <Crollalfa> Gadgetoid: Ok. Do I buy it at Farnell or that other shop too?
[21:32] <booyaa> i'm blaming mysql i think it needs more swap
[21:32] <Peanut> Joshun: won't that download the wrong kernel again? I want to try Raspbian for the armhf kernel.
[21:33] <Gadgetoid> Crollalfa: no experience with farnell myself, bought mine from SKPang... it's an open hacky style case
[21:33] <Joshun> not sure
[21:33] <Joshun> i thought it automatically detected the kernel
[21:33] <Joshun> anybody here an expert on the rpi-update script?
[21:33] <Peanut> I'll look in the source then, don't worry.
[21:34] <booyaa> Joshun: what do you need to know?
[21:34] <Joshun> does it automatically detect the kernel arc
[21:34] <Joshun> i.e. armf or armv5
[21:34] <Joshun> wait doesn't rpi-update just update the firmware and not touch the kernel
[21:35] <Crollalfa> Gadgetoid: Ok, tnx, I'll check that out! But it would be nice if they could sell them as a kit since international shipping is expencive..
[21:36] <Joshun> booya - found a very fast web browser that works in framebuffer - links2
[21:36] <Joshun> should work fine on wordpress
[21:36] <Joshun> it does muck up css though
[21:36] <booyaa> nah i'm talking about running wordpress on rpi
[21:37] <Joshun> yeah thats what i mean
[21:37] <Joshun> it runs from the console
[21:37] <Joshun> links -g http://website.name
[21:37] <booyaa> i'm accessing the wordpress from my macbook
[21:37] <booyaa> not console
[21:37] <Joshun> *links2 that should be
[21:37] <Joshun> oh
[21:37] <reider59> Time for a rest. I have a dual boot on my Picture Frame so far, normal frame or Linux box. I can telnet to it and I can ping from it to an address on the net. Got Doom started but needs a little work, got a bubble pic going on it and some scenery thing. I have it accessing Bluetooth on the RasPi. Just one problem at the moment stopping me from using it via VNC to see the RasPi Desktop
[21:37] <booyaa> apach2 and mysql fall into slow out of memory death :D
[21:37] <reider59> That`s enough for this old head today
[21:37] <Joshun> freedoom works well
[21:38] <ReggieUK> reider59, doom just needs a wiimote
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[21:39] <ReggieUK> there's not much needs doing to it
[21:39] <reider59> I think the memory may need increasing too, it failed. But I have the wiimote ready.
[21:39] <ReggieUK> did you get minifs running then I take it?
[21:39] * markllama needs to add a BT dongle to his DarkELEC box
[21:39] <ReggieUK> oh yeah :D
[21:39] <ReggieUK> I forgot your frame will only have 8mb of ram
[21:40] <ReggieUK> in this one case I would suggest you make a little swap file
[21:40] <ReggieUK> it doesn't need to be very much
[21:40] <reider59> Yes, I was fed up of failing with it, compiled one but ended up borrowing athird one which then worked
[21:40] <reider59> yes, that`s an idea
[21:40] <ReggieUK> it was me that got doom working on the parrot frame :)
[21:41] <ReggieUK> so that's definitely the way to get it working on an 8mb frame
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[21:41] <reider59> all good stuff. dead pleased with the frame and so glad I grabbed it before it went up ??7 overnight
[21:41] * markllama googles "frame" and "raspberry pi"
[21:41] <ReggieUK> I took the ram chip off one of my frames and put a 64mb chip in it's place
[21:41] <reider59> It`s a Df3120
[21:41] <ReggieUK> markllama, look on hackaday, it's a parrot photoframe
[21:41] * markllama thinks he's missing context
[21:42] <markllama> oh cool idea
[21:42] <reider59> http://hackaday.com/2012/06/28/linux-picture-frame-serves-as-wireless-raspberry-pi-display/#comments
[21:42] <markllama> duh. while we're cobbling cheap re-purposed parts, what would I need for a small low powered display? Duh.
[21:44] * markllama forgets he's old and not everyone instinctively reaches for RS232
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[21:44] <ReggieUK> well, they're pictured sitting next to each other
[21:45] <ReggieUK> but that frame is bluetooth
[21:45] <ReggieUK> and you can add a little touch screen via serial etc.
[21:45] * markllama really needs to take an hour and document his USB serial
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[21:46] <markllama> it's been done before on pogoplugs and the like, but as with everything the pi is a little different
[21:46] <ReggieUK> so for people that don't need a 32" lcd, or a composite tv knocking around the place, they're useful
[21:46] <ReggieUK> someone deadbugged an ftdi ft232r to a pi last night
[21:46] <ReggieUK> tech2077 I thnk
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[21:48] <ReggieUK> you could quite easily build yourself a little remote for xbmc with it
[21:48] <Lartza> Is there a working Mupen64Plus, SNES emulator or Genesis emulator port?
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[21:49] <ReggieUK> Lartza, http://hackaday.com/2012/07/05/interfacing-snes-controllers-with-your-raspberry-pi/
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[21:50] <Spiffy> Anyone who knows when Debian Wheezy goes stable?
[21:50] <muep> no one
[21:51] <Joshun> Spiffy: http://www.debian.org/releases/
[21:51] <Lartza> Spiffy, Not too long though
[21:51] <muep> my impression is that it might be released within the next 1 a
[21:51] <Lartza> It is frozen already so
[21:51] <Spiffy> Soon, would be nice
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[21:52] <Lartza> Spiffy, It took 6 months for Squeeze to go from freeze to initial release
[21:52] <Spiffy> When did the freeze start this time exactly?
[21:52] <Lartza> 30.6.
[21:52] <muep> for most tasks an enthusiast might use debian for, a frozen testing is mostly just as good as a stable release
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[21:53] <plugwash> Spiffy, depends how you define it, the freeze officially started the end of last month BUT they gave an exception to all packages in sid at that time
[21:53] <muep> it is not supposed to get many disruptive changes anymore
[21:54] <plugwash> so IMO the freeze won't REALLY have started until 10 days after the official date when those changes uploaded just before the deadline migrate
[21:54] <Spiffy> Okay
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[22:00] <Joshun> wow. vlc can play videos in ascii art
[22:02] <Peanut> You mean you never watched 'The Empire Strikes Back' in ASCII?
[22:03] <Joshun> would probably hurt your eyes
[22:03] <Joshun> lol
[22:03] <Joshun> the bb package of ascii art demos is very good though
[22:03] <Peanut> There used to be a server streaming that - you could just telnet to a port on it, get your popcorn I guess, and lean back..
[22:04] <Peanut> Anyway, afk - booting into Raspbian (I hope).
[22:04] <Joshun> what image?
[22:05] <faj> towel.blinkenlights.nl
[22:05] <faj> i think its still up
[22:06] <faj> yeah, standard port
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[22:07] <Joshun> is there anyway of getting smooth video playback on the pi?
[22:07] <Joshun> on a normal distro
[22:08] <Dyskette> Use omxplayer
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[22:08] <Joshun> what package is that in
[22:09] <Dyskette> http://elinux.org/Omxplayer
[22:09] <Dyskette> It's not, as far as I'm aware.
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[22:10] <Joshun> xz: (stdin): File format not recognized
[22:10] <Joshun> tar: Child returned status 1
[22:10] <Joshun> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
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[22:11] <Dyskette> Joshun, in response to what input, exactly?
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[22:11] <Joshun> the downloaded archive of binaries doesn't open
[22:11] <Joshun> even with xz-utils installed
[22:11] <Walther> Okay, I'd like to repeat my issue again: High throughput causes a hang on my Pi.
[22:11] <Walther> No matter whether I'm wgetting to SD, usb hdd, or /dev/zero
[22:11] <friggle> Joshun: omxplayer is included in the wheezy beta (though not the most up do date version)
[22:11] <reider59> big issue?
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[22:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha, forgot my Pi was my bnc
[22:12] <Joshun> where is the actual source code for omxplayer?
[22:12] <Walther> And yes, this is really annoying, as I can't really download files on it.
[22:13] <Walther> and I'm planning to use the thing as a home server (backups etc)
[22:13] <friggle> Joshun: https://github.com/huceke/omxplayer/
[22:13] <Joshun> ok cheers
[22:13] <Joshun> i wonder why the binary archive doesn't extract
[22:14] <Joshun> tar: This does not look like a tar archive
[22:15] <Joshun> must be corrupted
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> right. cake 2 is in the oven, this is a slow one. running behind schedulle today. too much other "stuff"!!!
[22:15] <IT_Sean> "stuff"?
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> work that pays the bills :)
[22:17] <IT_Sean> oh
[22:17] <dibidi> Going to Akihabara in Tokyo is Fun
[22:17] <IT_Sean> Darn bills.
[22:17] <dibidi> One shop after the other
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[22:17] <dibidi> Wrong channel :( sorry
[22:17] <Joshun> the source doesn't build
[22:18] <IT_Sean> Sorry? You are SORRY?!! Sorry doesn't cut it!
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, yea, although I might have just picked up a nice little support contract that will require me to do not much... who knows!
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[22:18] <IT_Sean> OOh, nice!
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[22:18] <Joshun> oh building now
[22:18] * gordonDrogon notices bristolwireless.net ...
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> thought that was defunkt ...
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[22:20] <booyaa> does wheezy come with acpi support?
[22:20] <booyaa> that's the beta debian from them (not on the downloads)
[22:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm Raspbian is fun, in a non-fun way
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> I don't think there's ant acpi to support in the Pi ...
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> non-fun?
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[22:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> Yes, non-fun :D as in, painful and weird
[22:21] <booyaa> who wanted to know about wearable lcd glasses and rpi?
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[22:21] <booyaa> http://www.chrisnewland.com/raspberry-pi-vuzix-transparent-lcd-heads-up-display-hud-experiment-221
[22:21] <booyaa> apols if i just pointed you to your own blog
[22:21] <Peanut> Gadgetoid_Air: what problems do you have with it? I just booted into the hexxeh one for the very first time.
[22:22] <Arch-RPi> Gadgetoid_Air: no more so than any other linux dist
[22:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> Peanut: just... weirdness... my keyboard blipped and redetected, apt-get update hung for a while, the text is all white on a black background, it has words
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[22:22] <Peanut> Yeah, it does seem a bit hangy at times..
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> text with words? Whatever next...
[22:23] <Arch-RPi> i know right
[22:23] <Arch-RPi> darn those words!!
[22:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> My text usually has dungeons
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[22:23] <Gadgetoid_Air> apt-get seems pretty snappy though, when it works
[22:24] <Gadgetoid_Air> Just installing build-essential, then it's fun-with-Ruby time
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[22:24] <Peanut> The hangs seem to be about writes to the SDcard not completing
[22:24] <Joshun> how long does omxplayer take to compile on a pi?
[22:24] <Joshun> hope it doesn't take all night :|
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[22:25] <liar> PhonicUK: hi, did you see my messages from earlier this day? (liax)
[22:27] <Walther> Has anyone else had problems with RPi and high usb/eth throughput?
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[22:27] <Walther> wgetting files causes a hang for me
[22:27] <Walther> no matter if it is a usb hdd, internal sd, or /dev/zero
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> Walther, do you have the "fixes" applied?
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> Walther, ie. the vm.min_free_kbytes=12288
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> or the smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N one?
[22:29] <Walther> gordonDrogon: vm.min_free_kbytes = 16384
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> well I guess that's ok.
[22:29] <yggdrasil> gordonDrogon: been reading your website a little
[22:29] <yggdrasil> good work'
[22:30] <yggdrasil> Im looking for a small usb microphone.
[22:30] <yggdrasil> doestn have to be high quality.
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> yggdrasil, thanks.
[22:30] <booyaa> yggdrasil: let me know when you find something
[22:30] <yggdrasil> but smaller would better, somehwere along the par of a usb wireless device.
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> yggdrasil, audio isn't an area I'm 'strong' in though...
[22:30] <yggdrasil> right.
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[22:31] <yggdrasil> i want to make the pi .. something that I can take to a gig and plug into the hdmi port of the screen behind my band that will
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> I'm suspecting it might be hard to get a small/cheap one on it's own without a webcam attached!
[22:31] <Peanut> Buy a simple USB headset?
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[22:31] <yggdrasil> play all the .. vizualization plugin of the audio stuff
[22:31] <yggdrasil> sorry phone rang.
[22:31] <RichiH> how well does the pi work as htpc?
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[22:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> yggdrasil: if you're going where I think you're going... you need a direct line-feed, not a cruddy USB mic
[22:32] <booyaa> RichiH: still sharp at the edges
[22:32] <Gadgetoid_Air> yggdrasil: otherwise it'll just get unintelligible noise
[22:32] <RichiH> booyaa: but ok performance-wise?
[22:32] <booyaa> RichiH: the xbmc team are supporting open elec?
[22:33] <booyaa> RichiH: xbmc team's youtube videos seem to indicate really nice performance on h.264
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[22:33] <booyaa> but lots of guys here haven't had has much luck
[22:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Ah, finally see all the errors that WiringPiGem throws on Raspbian now
[22:33] <RichiH> yah, that's more or less expected
[22:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> Waddyaknow, it's the wrapper throwing loads of "format not a string literal" nonsense that I don't comprehend
[22:34] <Peanut> Pity that the hexxeh raspbian doesn't come with the nifty filesystem-expander that Wheezy had - does anyone know where the source to that could be found?
[22:34] <booyaa> ooo i wonder if ps2 webcam can be used as a webcam? noticed ps3 is on the compatible list
[22:34] <yggdrasil> ok,
[22:34] <yggdrasil> i think it would fine with cheap mics.
[22:34] <RichiH> so if i need shipping to germany, where should i order, these days?
[22:34] <yggdrasil> actually im sitting here looking a ta logitech usb camera thathas mic
[22:34] <yggdrasil> wonder if i can work that out.
[22:34] * RichiH got into the pre-reg thing on the day of ddos, but as no email or other notification ever came from it, he will simply start afresh
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[22:36] <booyaa> ack just seen eyetoy ps2 was not compatible, but it wasn't running off a powered hub
[22:36] <Gadgetoid_Air> yggdrasil: depends if you want to visualise your music, or just random noise I guess :D
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[22:38] <plugwash> the trouble with powered hubs is that some hub chipsets apparently also cause problems for the Pi
[22:38] <PhonicUK> liar, no i didn't
[22:38] <plugwash> so generally unless you need the extra ports i'd try and avoid using a hub even if it means some soldering to deliver the required power
[22:38] <yggdrasil> Gadgetoid_Air: close enough, on the beats and loud spots vs quite spots would be good enough for me.
[22:39] <Mike632T> Peanut: You don't really need it the ability to re-size a partition is kind of standard.
[22:39] <Walther> plugwash: hmm?
[22:39] <yggdrasil> i just realized that there are no optomized players taht would display the viz plugins fasteenough.
[22:39] <Walther> plugwash: [citation needed] :D Got a reference / experience?
[22:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> yggdrasil: quiet spots? needs more dubstep!
[22:39] * JMichael|work was FINALLY just billed by newark for his raspi
[22:39] <Mike632T> Peanut: man resize2fs
[22:39] <liar> PhonicUK: i was asking if you still remember how you've managed to compile the dynarec from mupen64plus for the raspberry pi
[22:39] <JMichael|work> \o/
[22:40] <plugwash> Walther, i'm just relaying what i've picked up from the forums
[22:40] <liar> PhonicUK: i am on different hardware but i am getting the same error messages as you did (saw it in the irc logs)
[22:40] <PhonicUK> liar, I couldn't get the dynarec to compile, but Hexxeh could
[22:40] <plugwash> but I don't have a link to hand
[22:40] <liar> PhonicUK: do you know how he did it?
[22:40] <PhonicUK> by getting something right in his makefile
[22:40] <PhonicUK> but no idea what
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[22:40] <liar> hm okay
[22:40] <Walther> plugwash: i'm just interested as I've had plenty of issues with the Pi and high throughput of usb/eth
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[22:41] <booyaa> is the pi account a special account? thinking about blatting mine
[22:41] <Mike632T> Peanut: Not you can only make a partition bigger if you are booting from it
[22:42] <Walther> I can make my pi crash consistently within a couple of minutes of wgetting a file/two/three
[22:42] <Mike632T> s/not/note/
[22:42] <Walther> Mike632T: not true
[22:42] <liar> PhonicUK: do you have a copy of his Makefile?
[22:42] <Walther> It is possible to resize the partitions from another OS as well
[22:42] <Walther> I resized my partitions with gparted under Ubuntu
[22:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, got WiringPiGem building on Raspbian by creating new bindings
[22:42] <PhonicUK> liar, nope
[22:42] <Gadgetoid_Air> I really should have hand-written them, duurrr :(
[22:42] <yggdrasil> booya. do id cmd
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[22:42] <yggdrasil> thats about all thats special about it.
[22:43] <liar> PhonicUK: hm okay, thanks anyways
[22:43] <Mike632T> Walther: Hmm - I managed to trash my system when I tried that (using resize2fs)
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[22:44] <Mike632T> Perhaps ext4 is more tolerant (or resize2fs is now sparter but I'd prefer not to find out the hard way :-) )
[22:44] <Mike632T> s/sparter/smarter/
[22:44] <Walther> ...i think gparted uses libparted
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[22:45] <Walther> Anyway, I'd appreciate any information regarding the Pi, high eth/usb throughput, and crashes
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[22:45] <Walther> feel free to /query me
[22:45] <Walther> night all!
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[22:46] <booyaa> night duder
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[22:46] <plugwash> iirc libparted only handles the partition resising, the filesystem is resized with a seperate tool invoked by the frontend
[22:46] <plugwash> but I could be wrong on that
[22:47] <Gabrial> It seems that Pi stock is finally starting to catch up to demand, I received yet another email saying I can order a Pi this time from Allied
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[22:48] <yggdrasil> ugh i still struggle getting my pi on the wireless efficiently.
[22:48] <yggdrasil> i have my keys in my /etc/network/interfaces area
[22:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> One day I'll merge this all into one, but for now: https://rubygems.org/gems/wiringpi-raspbian
[22:49] <Gadgetoid_Air> Unfortunately I'm too late to use Joshun as a tester, boo :D
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[22:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, looks like my gem isn't the only one failing on Raspbian
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> anyone here going to the cambridge or Bristol/bath Raspberry Jams?
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[23:03] <ukscone> hmmmm i wonder if this is a sign of madness?
[23:03] <ukscone> i'm compiling qemu on a raspberry pi
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[23:04] <gordonDrogon> Er....
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[23:04] <gordonDrogon> what do you hope to achieve?
[23:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> ukscone: Yup. Madness.
[23:05] <ukscone> gordonDrogon: i want to recurse the the internet and cause a wormhole for time travel
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[23:06] <deuxenun> hi
[23:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> Use qemu to emulate Pi on a Pi in a Pi with a Pi
[23:07] <Gadgetoid_Air> The Pi could just scrape by with Windows 95
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> ukscone, ah, one of those. Yes. Hm. Tricky.
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[23:08] <ukscone> the real reason is i couldn't get single stepping working in the debugger so if i slow it down enough :)
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> er, sledgehammer, meet Mr. Nutt ...
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> cooker check .brb.
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[23:12] <jardiamj> Guys I have a bipolar stepper motor being controlled with an arduino through a SN754410 H-bridge, do I need any special circuitry protection to connect it to the RPi?
[23:12] * ReggieUK wonders whether the sun has enough power and the universe enough time for the pi to compile the whole internet?
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[23:12] <jardiamj> I don't know so much about electronics
[23:13] <markllama> jardiamj: do you have a multimeter?
[23:13] <jardiamj> well ReggieUK, read the last question from Isaac Asimov...
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, er, as long as the inputs are ok at 3.3v..
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[23:13] <jardiamj> yes I do have one markllama
[23:13] <markllama> and if you have the spec of the stepper you can find out what it requires
[23:14] <markllama> but gordonDrogon is right
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, however making the pi drive it is going to be challenging as the Pi runs Linux which is a multi-user, multi-tasking preemptive operatin system...
[23:14] <ReggieUK> High-level input voltage, VIH, min 2v max5.5
[23:14] <ReggieUK> for that chip
[23:14] <ReggieUK> input voltage min 4.5v
[23:14] <ReggieUK> but seriously do not try and power it from the pi
[23:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> <3 Asimov
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> so slow pulese to it will be OK, but trying to ramp up the speed might be erratic and result is a stall of the motor.
[23:15] <jardiamj> Not ReggieUK not power the motor from the Pi,
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> I need to get some stepper motors. it's been a few years since I used them. lots of fun back then.
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[23:16] <jardiamj> so gordonDrogon I got one from and old CD drive that didn't work
[23:16] <jardiamj> and my arduino runs it just fine..
[23:16] <yggdrasil> nice
[23:16] <ReggieUK> there's some dirt cheap steppers and driver boards on ebay
[23:16] <ReggieUK> that use a uln2003a chip
[23:16] <jardiamj> but I just don't want to plug it to my Pi..
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, yea, I can make a driver if needed!
[23:16] <ReggieUK> 64:1 geared louvre window steppers
[23:17] <jardiamj> without asking first
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[23:17] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, hahahaha, yes buddy, I know :)
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I wonder if I could make a Pi into a turtle... and drive it from my BASIC which has turtle graphics...
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[23:18] <Peanut> I seem to have raspbian(hexxe) sort of working, jay
[23:18] <ReggieUK> turtle pi.....
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> make it cheese shaped and go "wokka wokka wokka..."
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> pi-man...
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[23:19] <ReggieUK> add an arduino and you could call it turtle pi and chips
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> Heh..
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[23:19] <jardiamj> I have some raspberry pie last night... it doesn't taste as good as playing with the RPi
[23:19] <markllama> wouldn't turtle pi be non-PC?
[23:19] <jardiamj> *had
[23:19] <ReggieUK> c pi and chips doesn't quite have the same ring to it
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> mock turtle pi?
[23:20] <markllama> there you go
[23:20] <markllama> made from ritz
[23:22] <mbroadst> hey, can't seem to get my RPi working at all.. I'm on my second dd of the SD card (squeeze pre made distro, using dd on osx), when I plug the RPi in with the SD card in I get a steady red power light, very dim green OK light. HDMI doesn't seem to output anything (this is HDMI -> DVI adapter), and neither does composite although composite does a quick flicker when the power fist comes on. Also, the keyboard doesn't seem to be getting power from the usb
[23:22] <mbroadst> using a Kindle power adapter which seems to have worked for a few people. Any ideas?
[23:23] <Mike632T> OK time I learnt something new - what I'd like to be able to do is auto start a process as root running as a daemon with it's i/o tied to a tty - I guessing I've got to do something in init.d but I'm not quite sure what...
[23:23] <yggdrasil> do you see two partitions on the sd card when you plug it into yoru mac ?
[23:24] <ReggieUK> and have you measured the voltage across tp1/tp2?
[23:24] <yggdrasil> on should have the linux stuff and one should have the ... strange stuff
[23:25] <mbroadst> yggdrasil: yeah boot partition and ext4 I believe
[23:25] <yggdrasil> yea
[23:25] <yggdrasil> hmm.
[23:25] <markllama> Mike632T: for most distros, you get a login prompt on the serial console on boot
[23:26] <mbroadst> ReggieUK: was that directed to me? I'm not quite sure I know how to do that with my current equipment :)
[23:26] <Mike632T> I'm only starting getty on tty1 +2 so 3- are free
[23:26] <yggdrasil> mbroadst: what distro ?
[23:26] <markllama> you want something on additional TTYs?
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[23:27] <mbroadst> yggdrasil: the debian6-19-04-2012.img
[23:27] <mbroadst> I also downloaded the qtonpi zip, I could try that I suppose
[23:27] <markllama> I mean, you only have 1 real serial port. I think you're talking about something different from me.
[23:27] <yggdrasil> yea you should be seeing a reainbox colored thing at the start
[23:27] <yggdrasil> you should have 6 files on that first partition
[23:27] <yggdrasil> and on mine it loads as system.
[23:27] <mbroadst> would that show up even if the ext4 was corrupt?
[23:27] <yggdrasil> i think so
[23:28] <Mike632T> I want to run a process as a daemon and use on of the spare ttys as it's 'console'
[23:28] <mbroadst> yggdrasil: for the RCA out, should I just be plugging that in to a standard RCA port on the television?
[23:28] <yggdrasil> yea the yellow one if i recal
[23:28] <yggdrasil> generally
[23:28] <yggdrasil> the ok light should blink as it reads from the sdcard
[23:29] <mbroadst> hhmm I've got 11 files on my boot partition
[23:29] <mbroadst> the NO NAME partition
[23:29] <yggdrasil> hmm
[23:29] <mbroadst> but the shasum matched
[23:29] <Mike632T> Linux usually uses tty1-6 as the psudo console devices (ctrl-alt-F1 .. F6)
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[23:29] <yggdrasil> that doesnt seem right
[23:29] <yggdrasil> you see a bootcode.bin ?
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[23:29] <mbroadst> yeah
[23:30] <yggdrasil> cmdline.txt ?
[23:30] <yggdrasil> oh wait.
[23:30] <yggdrasil> let me ..
[23:30] <yggdrasil> i havea different card im looking at give me one sec.
[23:30] <mbroadst> arm128_start.elf, arm192_start.elf, arm224_start.elf boot_enable_ssh.rc, bootcode.bin, cmdline.txt, issue.txt, kernel_emergency.img, kernel.img, loader.bin, start.elf
[23:30] <yggdrasil> i have one that has the same img as yours
[23:30] <yggdrasil> give me one minute
[23:30] <mbroadst> yeah I mean I just pulled this off the downloads page last week
[23:31] <yggdrasil> right.
[23:31] <yggdrasil> one sec please
[23:31] <yggdrasil> im in the middle of a update..
[23:31] <mbroadst> sure
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[23:32] <mbroadst> shouldn't the fact that I'm getting no USB power indicate something else is up, outside of the software
[23:32] <mbroadst> specifically a power issue
[23:32] <mbroadst> or just a screwed up board
[23:32] <markllama> power is the first thing to be sure of
[23:33] <mbroadst> markllama: unfortunately I think all I've got here is this kindle power adapter
[23:33] <mbroadst> unless power from the usb port of a ps3 would work heh
[23:33] <markllama> Yeah. I went to Staples and got a couple of wall-wart USB power
[23:34] <markllama> they seem to work nicely so far
[23:34] <yggdrasil> mbroadst: i have run mine off a port from my dvr
[23:34] <yggdrasil> from a port from my laptop, phone charger
[23:34] * markllama is not interested in having one less cable by running the pi from my USB hub
[23:34] <yggdrasil> i have a western digital tv box .. that runs it.
[23:35] <yggdrasil> which way do you have the card in there?
[23:35] <yggdrasil> face down right ? pins up?
[23:35] <yggdrasil> and your not shorting it out on anythign iether right.
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[23:37] <mbroadst> yggdrasil: pins are in contact with the contacts on the usb card, its sitting on a static bag
[23:37] <mbroadst> the OK light is _very_ dim
[23:37] <mbroadst> like tiny, nowhere near the light output of PWR
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[23:40] <mbroadst> yggdrasil: looks like it might be an issue with the batch.. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=6822
[23:40] <mbroadst> I'm only half done reading that forum post though
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[23:42] <mbroadst> 230 posts on that thread :)
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[23:43] <yggdrasil> mbroadst: bummer dude
[23:43] <mbroadst> yeah, they seem to think just leaving it on a while gets it working so I'll see if that gets me anywhere while I wait for RMA
[23:43] <mbroadst> ohw ell
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[23:47] <ReggieUK> have you tried the wheezy image?
[23:47] <Gadgetoid> ReggieUK: Eee, don't talk about wheezy! I bet my gem will break in that!
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[23:57] <jardiamj> Gadgetoid, neh... wheezy is pretty stable..
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[23:58] <Peanut> So is Raspbian, once I ran the rpi-updater, it seems.
[23:58] <jardiamj> I have used that image from bootc.net for a while already, without any problem..
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[23:59] <Kolin> "We just won the Nominet .#nia. award for an Outstanding Contrib to the UK Internet. Gobsmacked. Tim Berners Lee was up in our section too." - @Raspberry_Pi
[23:59] <Kolin> what a load of crap

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