#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-07-08

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[0:00] <bulldog> Ok. I would like surf safer at times. so I started with tor, but that does not encrypt so I added a VPN to the mix that helped but you can use Flash with Tor, cause flash operates interdependently of tor and can give away information even though it is working from within the tor connection. So is there a way to obscure who you are on your own system before you link to the vpn and the Tor network.
[0:00] <bulldog> should read "you can't use flash with TOR"
[0:01] <srin> no.
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[0:01] <MrZYX> for what do you really need flash anyway these days?
[0:01] <srin> ^
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[0:01] <necreo> MrZYX: same here :(
[0:01] <srin> flash over tor is going to be deathly slow
[0:01] <Aldasa> i thought tor encrypted?
[0:02] <MrZYX> necreo: I guess it's occupied by the firmware or so
[0:02] <bulldog> Tor only encrypts from the entry point through tor, not from your computer to your isp. and not from the back end at the tor exit node
[0:02] <necreo> MrZYX: I wish it could be shared
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[0:03] <bulldog> is there a better network to use then TOR?
[0:03] <MrZYX> hm I think I've seen a talk on something but can't remember the name???
[0:04] <Aldasa> since your box is part of tor network, traffic leaving your box should be encrypted then?
[0:04] <nid0> erm, tor does encrypt from your system to the network then through it
[0:04] <nid0> so the traffic passing through your isp is encrypted
[0:04] <Aldasa> ^^
[0:04] * Aldasa agrees
[0:04] <aaa801> u could just use a ssh tunnel
[0:04] <nid0> the only bit thats not encrypted by tor is between the tor exit node and the site you're visiting
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[0:04] <nid0> everything from the tor exit to your system is
[0:05] <Aldasa> then that cant get traced back to you anyway
[0:05] <bulldog> nid0: are you sure?
[0:05] <nid0> bulldog, yes
[0:06] <nid0> https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en also agrees
[0:06] <nid0> check out the helpful green arrows (encrypted) vs red arrows (unencrypted) on the how tor works images
[0:07] <srin> nice try,
[0:08] <bulldog> ok, now how about the flash issue.
[0:09] <bulldog> is there a way to hid the user information and ip information from flash?"
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[0:10] <nid0> thats not so easy
[0:11] <Aldasa> that proxy that tor uses, does it hide information like that. been a while since i used it.
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[0:11] <Aldasa> privoxy i think it was called
[0:12] <bulldog> the problem with flash and tor is that Flash is a programing language with access to many aspects of your system. a remote site can send a flash app to your computer through tor, that scapes your information and then sends it back. all covertly. how do you avoid that?
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[0:13] <Maior> squeee, finally had time to sit down with my Pi
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[0:13] <MrZYX> bulldog: why can't you just block flash?
[0:13] <ovim> bulldog: quite frankly, the only way to properly protect against that would propably be a very secure virtual machine
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[0:14] <bstag> or block flash
[0:14] <ovim> because I can't think of any other ways to properly use flash while being safe
[0:14] <Maior> and now I'm stuck because I have to name it :(
[0:14] <ovim> or block flash, that will work too, of course
[0:14] <Aldasa> open wireshark and find out what information the flash app is sending to the server
[0:15] <Aldasa> if its not encrypted
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[0:17] <svenstaro> did anybody actually manage to play lagfree 1080p videos?
[0:17] <SpeedEvil> bulldog: The flash VM protects against that to a degree.
[0:17] <bulldog> Ovim, a virtual machine may be the answer. some time around 200 a company sold a browser that had a green bar around the active window. the active window was a virtual machine. when you closed the window everything was gone. there for you could not get viruses. they sold it as the safest browser you could by.
[0:17] <SpeedEvil> bulldog: It can't open arbitrary files.
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[0:17] <SpeedEvil> Without user perission
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[0:17] <Aldasa> svenstaro, yes. perfectally
[0:17] <SpeedEvil> bulldog: This will be why there has never been a security issue, ever, in a virtualised environment...
[0:17] <bulldog> sorry 200 should be 2000 as in the year.
[0:18] <ovim> bulldog: it was propably some sort of sandboxed browser
[0:18] <bulldog> Sandbox?
[0:19] <ovim> apps that run in a very confined location on your computer, it can be quite complex to explain
[0:19] <ovim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_(computer_security) <- if you feel like reading a bit ;)
[0:19] <Aldasa> sandboxie, on windows.
[0:19] <steve_rox> quick random question is there any way to boot to PI desktop without a keyboard? i have a bit of a usb keyboard shortage :-P
[0:20] <aaa801> ye
[0:20] <aaa801> apt-get install xrdp
[0:20] <aaa801> or vnc
[0:20] <bulldog> not sure how that works, basicely I think the way to do it would be to spoof all the normal identifying data. that way any data that was taken would be worthless.
[0:21] <MrZYX> spoofing it can be tricky too
[0:21] <ovim> or edit the inittab so start into X directly, if you feel comfortable doing that, steve_rox
[0:21] <MrZYX> in a way that makes you less identifiable, that is
[0:22] <bulldog> ovim: thanks. I will read that.
[0:22] <steve_rox> hmmm
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[0:22] <steve_rox> how bad is it to edit the initab?
[0:22] <steve_rox> if its a text file im okays
[0:23] <aaa801> well holy crap
[0:23] <aaa801> it worked
[0:23] <aaa801> xD
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[0:23] <ovim> steve_rox: you got yourself a query
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[0:23] <steve_rox> i do?
[0:23] <svenstaro> Aldasa: over network?
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[0:24] <bulldog> ok, so lets assume I can "sandbox" my browser and use tor, my stuff is till not encrpted out of the last node on tor. So if I am using HTTPs with an Https website, is my data encrypted all they way?
[0:24] <MrZYX> yes
[0:24] <bulldog> cool
[0:24] <bulldog> so this would be a safer way to do online banking
[0:24] <MrZYX> as it's a layer above tcp
[0:24] <Aldasa> svenstaro, not over network. ext usb hdd. are you using omxplayer?
[0:25] <MrZYX> the issue with https is trust, theoretically it is possible to MITM it and if the attacker cracks a CA you likely won't notice
[0:26] <svenstaro> Aldasa: yeah with -w
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[0:26] <svenstaro> Aldasa: but on some files omxplayer just returns using -w, I presume it crashes?
[0:26] <bulldog> ok, LOL... sorry to ask, what is MITM and CA?
[0:27] <nid0> bulldog, why would using tor be any safer to online bank than not?
[0:27] <Aldasa> man in the middle attack
[0:27] <MrZYX> mitm=man in the middle attack, the attacker sitting between you and what you want to reach, CA=certificate authority, those guys that say, "hey this certificate this website gives you saying it is this website looks valid"
[0:27] <nid0> your main threats from online banking are 1) keylogging malware on your computer harvesting login details or 2) you accessing a bogus phishing site rather than your real bank, that also harvests login details
[0:27] <svenstaro> bulldog: Man In The Middle and Certificate Authority
[0:27] <nid0> tor protects against neither of those
[0:28] <SpeedEvil> nid0: being conned
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[0:29] <bulldog> ok... was feeling good, now feeling quisy. how do I protect agains MITM attacks?
[0:30] <nid0> you dont, entirely. the whole point of both tor and plain bog standard SSL are to protect your connection between your computer and the site against mitm attacks
[0:30] <Aldasa> fingerprint of certificates
[0:30] <MrZYX> well don't use internet cafes and use WPA2 for your wlan, other than that the attacker would need to be an ISP and likely control your DNS server
[0:30] <nid0> various theoretical attacks on ssl have been demonstrated but theyre not practical
[0:30] <aaa801> urgha
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[0:30] <bulldog> ok, feeling better
[0:30] <MrZYX> nid0: didn't the iran actually mitm some https sites?
[0:31] <Maior> and then some eedjit CA grants a cert carelessly and boom
[0:31] <bulldog> well you can only do so much
[0:32] <XeCrypt> at the guys using raspbmc: I set the Audio Output to Analog for testing... now when I set back to hdmi.. it still only outputs via analog
[0:32] <XeCrypt> even after a reboot
[0:32] <XeCrypt> any hints?
[0:32] <ovim> the safest way to bank is to walk over there imho. Security is always a hassle. Its either convenient or secure, never both
[0:32] <nid0> MrZYX: not directly, that was more a redirection attack with a fake certificate
[0:32] <nid0> rather than actually cracking an SSL connection in the middle
[0:33] <MrZYX> yeah of course that's the attack I meant
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> ovim: But you might get mugged!
[0:33] <Super_Dog> Can Ubuntu ImageWriter write out the pre-built raspbmc images? http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=730&page=3
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> ovim: Or accidentally walk into a fake bank.
[0:33] <chaoshax> Super_Dog, YEs
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[0:34] <Super_Dog> chaoshax - You done it already?
[0:34] <ovim> SpeedEvil: now that you mention it. Damn. We are never safe :P
[0:34] <Super_Dog> Do I have to wipe my SD Card?
[0:34] <chaoshax> Super_Dog, I have used it for other images
[0:34] <chaoshax> It's just your bog standard image writer
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[0:34] <Super_Dog> OK... Will try...
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[0:35] <Super_Dog> Didn't see any instructions for DD and I don't have my Win7 box handy right now...
[0:35] <bulldog> or while you are walking to your bank, someone can move the sidewalk to a fake bank... then while you inside you give them all your data and deposit your paycheck into a fake bank and account.
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[0:35] <bulldog> I hate bad guys
[0:35] <Aldasa> or a card reader and camera on a hole-in-the-wall machine
[0:36] <hermanhermitage> are the bad guys inside or outside of the bank?
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[0:37] <bulldog> I hear that polar bears are starving cause the ice is melting, lets feed them hackers. we can drop them from c130 cargo planes.
[0:37] <hermanhermitage> i seem to recall all the leading banks stealing peoples money
[0:37] <Super_Dog> Hmm... Unmounting SD card in ImageWriter.... Why? Doesn't seem to be doing anything...
[0:37] <Super_Dog> ImageWriter not writing image... Just kind of sitting there...
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[0:38] <bulldog> we can feed those bad guys to the polar bears also. gonna have some fat bears
[0:38] <Super_Dog> Anybody have Linux terminal instructions for writing image from here? http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=730&page=3
[0:38] <Super_Dog> Ubuntu ImageWriter not flying on this image...
[0:39] <chaoshax> Super_Dog, Unmount in gparted first.
[0:39] <chaoshax> Then use dd/w.e you want.
[0:40] <Super_Dog> Any instructions on what dd syntax to use?
[0:40] <Super_Dog> All I know is that I don't want to send the wrong dd command... :-)
[0:42] <bulldog> Everyone thank you so much. Really nice to find all this help.
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[0:44] <bulldog> Are RBPi board being sold in quantity yet?
[0:45] <SpeedEvil> No.
[0:45] <bulldog> why?
[0:45] <ReggieUK> should be soon though
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[0:46] <bulldog> Reggie, whats the hold up? just a tight budget?
[0:46] <ReggieUK> because they had 350,000 orders to fulfil by april
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[0:46] <bulldog> OMG.
[0:46] <bulldog> wow, thats great
[0:46] <ReggieUK> indeed it is
[0:46] <bulldog> Amazing, nice to see a good product that so many people want.
[0:47] <ovim> its a great device to tinker with, and nowadays, there are a lot of tech savy people
[0:47] <bulldog> I am kinda surprised at the number, after all, it just a board without software or accessories.
[0:47] <bulldog> ovim: your right, there are a lot of people that are tech savy.
[0:47] <j0nnymoe> bulldog, its the potential of the board though
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[0:48] <j0nnymoe> i should have my second one arriving next week
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[0:48] <ReggieUK> they caught the imagination of a lot of people
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[0:48] <ReggieUK> I'd like to see a breakdown of orders per country at some point
[0:48] <ReggieUK> that'd be very interesting
[0:48] <bulldog> explain the potential. I know it has great video playback, but its not a speed demon.
[0:48] <j0nnymoe> main purpose of mine is going to be media centers
[0:48] <bulldog> yes they would be
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> The success of the Pi project is not so much the price, the hardware, or anything else.
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> It's marketing.
[0:49] <bulldog> how so SpeedEvil
[0:49] <ReggieUK> well, for me it's the uk education tie in, coupled with BBC micro computers, arm, british etc.
[0:49] <ReggieUK> didn't need to sell it to me :D
[0:49] <j0nnymoe> nope lol
[0:49] <j0nnymoe> and the price
[0:49] <reider59> I think my son was a little peeved he said no to one. He came today and was asking lots of questions about it. Should have taken the code I had before I gave it away, he had his chance....
[0:49] <j0nnymoe> ?30 is sod all :P
[0:50] <reider59> it`s a lot to some folks who are struggling
[0:50] <ovim> i think its mainly the price. Think about it, its a device made for tinkering with. but usually, when you pay some cash, you are afraid of breaking it. while with the pi, all that is lost is about 40 bucks
[0:50] <SpeedEvil> bulldog: Without the marketing - the community would be tiny, and hence less likely to do stuff
[0:52] <bulldog> well, i am not surprised, remember the old zenith heath kits. you could build shorwave radios, and all kinds of kits, then they came out with a cpm kit and the company exploded. they sold several kit computers. I think people miss that sort of think. now instead of hardware tech, they are programing.
[0:52] <Maior> incidentally, do any of the RasPi team happen to loiter around here?
[0:52] <bulldog> SpeedEvil: I agree, i just did not know exactly how they did the marketing. I learned about it from softpedia.
[0:52] <ReggieUK> if you want a device to tinker with, you can get them for ??25-30 all day long
[0:53] <ReggieUK> or less
[0:53] <Maior> ReggieUK: that run Debian, have HDMI and GPIO, etc.?
[0:54] <ReggieUK> tv out, bluetooth, usb, sd socket, gpio
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[0:54] <bulldog> Are they goign to sell them in quantity at whole sale prices? like can a manufacture buy 2500 for cheaper?
[0:54] <steve_rox> hmm i think my PSU for the PI may be a bit too weak , goes nuts when trying to play a vid
[0:54] <j0nnymoe> reider59, im on about in general computer terms
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[0:57] <bulldog> I would love to make mine a video and picture server. tuck it behind an LCD and hang it on the wall, the wifi into it. you could put all the family pictures up on LCD screens around the house. access from your computer. just put the LCD screens up on the wall like a regular family portrait.
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[0:57] <Maior> bulldog: mine's becoming my alarm clock
[0:58] <j0nnymoe> bulldog, so like all the digital photoframes you can buy?
[0:58] <bulldog> LOL, yea but this one i make. and it controlled from my computer.
[0:59] <j0nnymoe> can already do that :P
[0:59] <ReggieUK> indeed
[0:59] <j0nnymoe> parents have got a couple kodak ones
[0:59] <j0nnymoe> just uses upnp
[0:59] <bulldog> j0nnymoe: and I can get any size monitor that i want.. and put a picture frame on it.
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[0:59] <bulldog> oh
[0:59] <j0nnymoe> bulldog, not saying its a good idea n all that
[0:59] <bulldog> well, see I have great ideas.. just a few years late. LOL
[1:00] <j0nnymoe> but for what its worth, its prolly cheaper just to buy one already doen
[1:00] <j0nnymoe> *done
[1:00] <bulldog> yea, I think so.
[1:00] <reider59> I was going to invent a wheel today but was just too busy ;-)
[1:00] <bulldog> LOL
[1:00] <Maior> for me it's the tinker factor
[1:00] <ReggieUK> depends really but once you're strapping 24" screens to stuff to play pictures, you're really just running a computer wiht some slideshow software
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[1:01] <bulldog> true
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[1:01] <ReggieUK> then again, that's what the picture frames are doing anyway
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[1:01] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, df3120 is running linux already isn't it?
[1:02] <ReggieUK> before we mess with it
[1:02] <RaYmAn> it is
[1:02] <ReggieUK> it's been a while since I saw the output from a stock console on one of those
[1:03] <ReggieUK> it looked linuxy
[1:03] <SpeedEvil> I forget.
[1:03] <SpeedEvil> I thought it wasn't
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[1:04] <ReggieUK> I think it is but they just had the serial port setup for output only to start with
[1:04] <bulldog> I think someone should take the RSBpi and put together a kit with like 20 things you can do with your RSBPi. with explanations and examples. so it could be a structured learning tool. I know i could sell that in the US,
[1:04] <ReggieUK> I think it would be worth waiting a little
[1:04] <bulldog> step by step instructions
[1:04] <bulldog> yea, have to wait for volume
[1:05] <ReggieUK> as there are a few people tinkering with things
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[1:05] <ovim> i was actually considering creating something along those lines for my little nephew
[1:06] <ovim> but I fear that he is too young with only 7 to be really interested in computing
[1:06] <ovim> no scratch that, actually, I am sure that he is too young
[1:06] <Maior> ovim: why?
[1:07] <chaoshax> Get him doing something useful with those tiny hands like smd soldering
[1:07] <MrZYX> lol
[1:07] <SpeedEvil> I was interested in computing at age 8
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[1:07] <ovim> he only uses technology for gaming. i think he misses the bigger fun in computing
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[1:07] <SpeedEvil> I don't think I started soldering till 10ish tho
[1:07] <ovim> chaoshax: haha :D
[1:07] <ReggieUK> it's down to you to show him ovim
[1:07] <ReggieUK> I didn't start soldering til I was 35
[1:07] <ovim> hm. I think im going to take my pi and sit down with him
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[1:08] <ovim> and if he likes it, he gets his own
[1:08] <Maior> ovim: that seems a logical disconnect - "he misses X so I've decided I'm not going to create thing Y that demonstrates aspects of X to him"
[1:08] <Maior> sounds sane
[1:08] <ovim> point taken, Maior
[1:08] <ReggieUK> look at the stuff he likes doing and see if there is anything that you could do on teh pi that relates to it
[1:09] <ovim> im going to think of something. Thanks guys. Once I have results, ill be sure to post them
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[1:09] <steve_rox> yup pi dies on vid play attempt
[1:09] <bulldog> you could start him with one of the kids programing languages, see if he like it.
[1:09] <SpeedEvil> Like javascript, or python.
[1:10] <hamitron> what is with the voice, devoice, voice?
[1:10] <hamitron> :/
[1:10] <ovim> i remember my first steps into learning programming. Our teacher gave us a program where you have to program a robot to do things in little steps, so you actually get a feel for the logical structure of a program
[1:11] <hamitron> confuselled /o\
[1:12] <chaoshax> I think that java is one of the easiest to learn.
[1:12] <bulldog> thats actually a great idea ovim
[1:13] <hamitron> like turn x degree left/right, and move forward/backward?
[1:13] <steve_rox> sounds like that unusual prog i found in pi desktop
[1:14] <steve_rox> with odd cats
[1:15] <ovim> yes, that sounds about right. Turn left, step forward, pick up, turn right, step forward twice, drop
[1:15] <chaoshax> Just get an rc car
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[1:15] <chaoshax> And interface using the pi
[1:15] <hermanhermitage> yes!
[1:15] <hermanhermitage> what a great idea
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[1:16] <chaoshax> You could run it without wires using vnc and wifi.
[1:16] <hamitron> high speed one ofc should be officially recommended, to increase destruction (and therefore sales of replacements)
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[1:19] <ReggieUK> logo?
[1:19] <ReggieUK> get a bigtrak
[1:20] <SpeedEvil> I want an outdoor bigtrak
[1:20] <ReggieUK> full size?
[1:20] <Maior> what do people recommend for battery-powered raspi?
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[1:20] <ReggieUK> 110ah 12v leisure
[1:20] <reider59> batteries?
[1:21] <Maior> (as in, device for battery->uUSB)
[1:21] <hamitron> full size bigtrak :D
[1:21] <chaoshax> How heavy do you want in?
[1:21] <ovim> hey, the bigtrack looks damn sweet. I need to read into thart
[1:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KIDS-BOYS-GIRLS-ELECTRIC-BATTERY-POWERED-QUAD-BIKE-500W-36V-FAST-ATV-RED-/320904414441?pt=UK_Toys_Games_Outdoor_Toys_ET&hash=item4ab764c4e9
[1:21] <ReggieUK> bigtraks were around about the same time as teh bbc micro
[1:21] <SpeedEvil> Something like this.
[1:21] <chaoshax> Maior, BEC
[1:21] <Super_Dog> raspbmc working. Thanks to pre-built image. http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=730&page=3
[1:22] <Maior> chaoshax: not entirely clear what you mean I'm afraid
[1:22] <SpeedEvil> (but probably geared down a lot)
[1:22] <hamitron> SpeedEvil: physically I don't think I am a kid now :(
[1:22] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: I mean to automate.
[1:22] <chaoshax> Maior, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TURNIGY-5A-8-26v-SBEC-UBEC-for-LiPo-UK-SALE-/180669621759?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item2a10bfa5ff
[1:22] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: Stick a strimmer head or two on it.
[1:22] <Super_Dog> Anybody have hints for streaming hi-def movies over network...? Does seem to buffer quite a bit on raspbmc.
[1:22] <hamitron> oh, ok :)
[1:22] <hamitron> haha
[1:22] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: And GPS
[1:22] <ReggieUK> I can imagine you entering it in a robot comp
[1:23] <Super_Dog> Should I forget about that and just use a local USB drive for hi-def movies with raspbmc?
[1:23] <ReggieUK> and loads of 8yr olds with 3"x3" line followers
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[1:23] <ReggieUK> then you plonk that down
[1:23] <hamitron> ??400 kinda makes it pointless getting a cheap comp though
[1:23] <Maior> chaoshax: that has USB-out?
[1:23] <Maior> *uUSB
[1:23] <SpeedEvil> For that, I want a delimited one, where I can use a hovering regeneratively cooled rocket engine as mobility and weapon in one.
[1:23] <chaoshax> Maior, You just solder ground and 5v to the usb wire
[1:23] <Maior> chaoshax: ahhh ok
[1:24] <SpeedEvil> hamitron: yeah - I've got ebay set to tell me about second hand ones of those in the locality, broken
[1:24] <bulldog> Everyone thank you so much. Really nice to find all this help on the security stuff.
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[1:32] <Milos|Netbook> lolol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVdlkv5heqk
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[1:37] <Super_Dog> Raspbmc seems to work much better with local files... Actually pretty surprised how well it works. Even audio over HDMI out of the box. Nice...
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[1:40] <mcscruff> hi all
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[1:48] <ReggieUK> hi
[1:49] <Maior> right, battery pack, rc car, and cheap uUSB cables ebayed
[1:49] <ReggieUK> cheap uUsb cables, not sure that's such a good idea
[1:49] <Maior> ReggieUK: why not?
[1:50] <Maior> I just want the connector
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[1:50] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok
[1:50] <Maior> yeah sorry, earlier chat ^^ re connecting battery pack
[1:51] <Maior> now to learn about GPIO
[1:51] <Maior> ReggieUK: btw are you part of "the RasPi team" fsvo
[1:52] <ReggieUK> nope
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[1:52] <ReggieUK> and what does fsvo mean?
[1:53] <Maior> for some value of
[1:53] <ReggieUK> ahh
[1:53] <Maior> (retrospectively, "thereof" would have been better)
[1:53] <ReggieUK> nope, I'm just a lucky guy who gets to op here and badger people about bad language :D
[1:54] <svenstaro> ***** *******
[1:54] <Maior> ReggieUK: fun fun - any of "the RasPi team" spend time here?
[1:54] <ReggieUK> not overtly, as far as I know
[1:55] <mcscruff> Maior, are you planning on making an rc car controlled by pi?
[1:55] <ReggieUK> we're not completely detached from the foundation but we're in no way officially anything to do with them
[1:56] <Maior> mcscruff: yep
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[1:56] <Maior> mcscruff: well
[1:56] <mcscruff> Maior, thats exactly what im researching now lol
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[1:57] <mcscruff> less RC tho, just being controlled by a script that says move forward x amount
[1:57] <Maior> mcscruff: my *main* plan involves gutting this http://www.voco.uk.com/stephen-fry/ and replacing the core mechanism with a raspi
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[1:57] <dmsuse> i do think there needs to be more published on the gpios, specifically the i2c and one wire stuff :P
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[1:58] <aaa801> mean
[1:58] <aaa801> ;P
[1:58] <Maior> mcscruff: because the clock element is awful, but the speaking bit is great
[1:58] <Maior> mcscruff: however that's going to be fairly fiddly and delicate
[1:58] <Maior> mcscruff: so first plan was rc car fu
[1:58] <Maior> *fun
[1:59] <mcscruff> im just trying to find info on how i can connect the 2
[1:59] <Maior> mcscruff: I was just going to take the RC car apart and work it out
[1:59] <oldtopman> hmm
[1:59] <Maior> (I've only just ebayed it)
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[1:59] <oldtopman> Someone wants to know the pinouts for an RC car?
[1:59] <mcscruff> as dmsuse just said, there isn't much info and i have no knowledge
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[2:00] <aaa801> ReggieUK: my pi prety much went rm -r / earlier
[2:00] <mcscruff> i dont know how i could conect the gpio to what part of the car (in my head in thinking remove the rf transmitter and it hooks up there
[2:00] <Maior> mcscruff: nod
[2:00] <oldtopman> mcscruff: You're making the car?\
[2:00] <ReggieUK> aaa801 oh?
[2:00] <dmsuse> Maior: are they servos ?
[2:00] <ReggieUK> explain
[2:00] <oldtopman> er, hacking it?
[2:00] <dmsuse> mcscruff: are they servos :P
[2:00] <Maior> mcscruff: I was going to strip out the receiver in the car
[2:00] <mcscruff> oldtopman, no, im going to buy a cheap one
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[2:00] <Maior> but I want to see if I can get decent RasPi wifi
[2:01] <aaa801> ReggieUK: the root partition got curropted, i fsckd it, put it back in, it boots fine the first time
[2:01] <aaa801> ReggieUK: then sbin becomes a file
[2:01] <Maior> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LIGHTNING-MCQUEEN-CAR-CARS-2-Remote-Radio-Control-Car-FAST-SPEED-/221065684543?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item33788aa63f#ht_500wt_1144 feels a bit...classless of a car, but meh
[2:01] <aaa801> and all hell breaks lose
[2:01] <aaa801> xD
[2:01] <oldtopman> mcscruff: So you're going to buy a cheap one, and Maior is hacking a hobby-grade one?
[2:01] <mcscruff> i think so
[2:01] <Maior> oldtopman: nah, I'm hacking a cheap one too
[2:01] <mcscruff> ooo
[2:01] <ReggieUK> odd
[2:01] <mcscruff> coding an app to control it won't be an issue
[2:02] <mcscruff> just the hardware side i suck at
[2:02] <Maior> mcscruff: same, heh
[2:02] <oldtopman> Maior, mcscruff, you're looking for the motor control pins, there should be a pair on the board. Hobby ones are easier to hack, but they are a bit more expensive :/
[2:03] <Maior> oldtopman: nodnod, I've got an Actual Hobby Car somewhere at my parents; I figured attempt #1 would be with Something Cheap And Destroyable... :D
[2:03] <oldtopman> Maior: Fair deal. The hobby ones are all servoes, so PWM is a go there
[2:03] * Maior is currently running through wiki looking for decent wireless solutions
[2:03] <Maior> oldtopman: yeah I can very much see myself giving up and splashing out on something that'll be plug'n'play...
[2:04] <oldtopman> XBee/Zigbee are popular for this sort of thing, but perhaps you should hack the controller.
[2:04] <oldtopman> That *will* be easier.
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[2:04] <Maior> oldtopman: psh I'm thinking USB GSM modem...
[2:04] <mcscruff> http://www.instructables.com/id/Autonomous-Control-of-RC-Car-Using-Arduino/ < thats what i want but with a pi
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[2:05] <Maior> I live with a bunch of compsci/software-engineers; we have time, disposable income, and beer - the monstrosities that will emerge could be...interesting
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[2:07] <Maior> hm
[2:07] <mcscruff> Maior, im not worried about a connection issue as i think i have compatible wifi dongle, if not i have an old mobile which i can tether 3g and wifi :O
[2:07] <Maior> wonder if the latency on a 3G modem would be too much of an issue
[2:07] <Maior> mcscruff: hah, gmta :
[2:07] <Maior> *:P
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[2:09] <mcscruff> im not worried about the latency as im not going to be controlling it as an RC car, i want to plot a course and it stays on it (and in the future have gps involved to plot a course and stay on it)
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[2:10] <eXiLe> how do i enable the xbmc web server per config file? (no input devices present...)
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[2:12] <Maior> mcscruff: fair
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[2:13] <mcscruff> i really want it to be as simple as connecting a wire from gpio to the car and sending the signal forward
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[2:13] <Maior> mcscruff: yeah, you'll need something a smidge more than that aiui
[2:17] <Maior> "A WiFi adapter will probably need more power than the Raspberry Pi USB port can provide, especially if there is a large distance from the WiFi adapter to the WiFi Access Point. Therefore, you may need to plug the WiFi adapter into a powered USB hub." :(
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[2:18] <Maior> does anyone here have knowledge/opinions on low power ones...?
[2:18] <SpeedEvil> Maior: Will certainly
[2:18] <SpeedEvil> I have never seen, nor heard of a wifi device that will use low enough power to not require a powered hub.
[2:19] <Maior> bah, ok
[2:19] <Maior> cheers :)
[2:19] <SpeedEvil> Most will require it in recieve mode even
[2:19] <SpeedEvil> even if you don't transmit
[2:19] <Maior> aw, there goes my raspi warwalking box...
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[2:20] <aaa801> Maior, all ud need to do is pull some power from a 9v bat with a resistor in line onto the usb
[2:20] <aaa801> :p
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> ...
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> That will make stuff explode.
[2:21] <Maior> it's a good job I just picked up a http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TURNIGY-5A-8-26v-SBEC-UBEC-for-LiPo-UK-SALE-/180669621759?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item2a10bfa5ff on chaoshax's recommendation
[2:22] <chaoshax> Gpio also has 5v pins you can power through but usb is neater
[2:23] <mcscruff> i think using an old mobile will be so much easier as it has its own power source (and the rpi can run off it too)
[2:24] <mcscruff> tethered wifi so drivers shouldnt be an issue
[2:24] <aaa801> SpeedEvil: Why would it, if its linked up properly it wont
[2:24] <chaoshax> You sure it can deliver the amps?
[2:25] <Maior> mcscruff: interfacing with the mobile would seem the challenging part
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> aaa801: For the same reason you can't hook shelves to the ceiling with rubber bands, and expect them to maintain the same height
[2:25] <aaa801> SpeedEvil: If you used a resistor to bring it down to 5v it should be fine =/
[2:25] <mcscruff> Maior, why would it?
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> aaa801: It's not.
[2:25] <aaa801> Howso
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> aaa801: The current varies on a millisecond by millisecond basis.
[2:26] <RITRedbeard> er
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> aaa801: So the voltage will vary
[2:26] <aaa801> Aha
[2:26] <Maior> aaa801: er, do you mean *two* resistors (and even then I'd assume you'd want something more than just a potential divider...)
[2:26] <Maior> it's been a few years since A2 electronics...
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> Maior: Doesn't really work.
[2:26] <aaa801> mhmm
[2:26] <Maior> mcscruff: ime interfacing between hardware and phones is nontrivial (Android perchance?)
[2:26] <RITRedbeard> errrrrr
[2:27] <SpeedEvil> To maintain a connstantish voltage, you would need about 5A flowing through the resistive divider.
[2:27] <RITRedbeard> This is where Raspberry Pi Foundation can get a bad name.
[2:27] <Maior> SpeedEvil: nod, figured an actual voltage regulator would be needed, but this is beyond my level of clue
[2:27] <RITRedbeard> Please don't use RC Hobby Grade Lithium Polymer batteries.
[2:27] <SpeedEvil> This would have it change by 10% if you start to draw 500mA
[2:27] <Maior> RITRedbeard: er, how?
[2:27] <SpeedEvil> If you are using hobby grade batteries, be prepared for them to explode, or catch fire.
[2:28] <Maior> well yes
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> If you do not charge them properly, or they happen to be cheap ones.
[2:28] <RITRedbeard> "Man found dead after tinkering with open source educational computer"
[2:28] <mcscruff> Maior, yes android :)
[2:28] <Maior> RITRedbeard: interesting gender presumptions
[2:28] <chaoshax> Only if you treat them badly.
[2:28] <RITRedbeard> Whatever. Whomever.
[2:29] <RITRedbeard> Or they stay in hot conditions for long periods
[2:29] <RITRedbeard> or you don't have a fancy charger
[2:29] <SpeedEvil> chaoshax: Which the above device will risk doing, as it doesn't balance the cells, or have an undervoltage cutout
[2:29] <chaoshax> Balance charge and they will be fine
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[2:29] <SpeedEvil> Undervoltage cutout is actually required too.
[2:30] <RITRedbeard> The charging process for RC batteries is loud, too
[2:30] <chaoshax> What?
[2:30] <Maior> SpeedEvil: ah, interesting
[2:30] <chaoshax> No it isn't' my one doesn't even use the fan
[2:30] <RITRedbeard> then you must have a fancy charger
[2:30] <Maior> SpeedEvil: ooi, what would you recommend for powering a RasPi from battery?
[2:31] <RITRedbeard> the cheap ones get the squeel
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> Maior: It's a deeply annoying question.
[2:31] <Maior> SpeedEvil: apologies
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> Maior: I've not seen any nice simple product.
[2:31] <RITRedbeard> You haven't?
[2:31] <RITRedbeard> How many amps total do you wish to draw?
[2:31] <chaoshax> You can get lipo alarms anyway
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: well - nice simple flexible.
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[2:32] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: One that balances cells, is actually reasonably efficient, has undervoltage lockout, charges sensibly, ...
[2:32] <RITRedbeard> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_ex_n_1?rh=n%3A2335752011%2Ck%3AUSB+charger&bbn=2335752011&keywords=USB+charger&ie=UTF8&qid=1341707416#/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dmobile&field-keywords=USB+battery&rh=n%3A2335752011%2Ck%3AUSB+battery
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> Most of those that I've seen have various failures.
[2:33] <RITRedbeard> failures?
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> The one I purchased for example came with two recycled laptop cells.
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> With half their nominal capacity
[2:34] <RITRedbeard> well, maybe someone in the community can reverse engineer one
[2:34] <chaoshax> Anyway he's putting it in a rc car'
[2:34] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[2:34] <RITRedbeard> Oh.
[2:34] <RITRedbeard> Still, safe than sorry...
[2:34] <ReggieUK> sounds like buying 3rd party batteries for dslr
[2:34] <ReggieUK> hi SSilver2k2
[2:34] <SpeedEvil> If you're putting it in a RC car, the above BEC, or similar, if it had an underboltage cutout would be more or less sane.
[2:34] <RITRedbeard> The mintyboost is the same thing as these commerical products except no charger.
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[2:34] <ReggieUK> basically any old junk inside and a resistor where the protection thermistor should be
[2:35] <RITRedbeard> What?
[2:35] <chaoshax> Speed, the speed controller will cut out first at 10.6 ish
[2:36] <chaoshax> So you won't even need a fancy bec
[2:36] <SpeedEvil> chaoshax: Sure - but the BEC feeding the pi won't
[2:36] <chaoshax> I assume he wouldn't carry on using it
[2:37] <chaoshax> Once the esc cuts out.
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[2:37] <SpeedEvil> I really don't like designs that if you walk away from them, or acceidentally leave them on, put themselves into a dangerous condition.
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> Or at least irrecoverable.
[2:37] <Maior> oh well, how wrong can this go...
[2:37] <Maior> *ahem*
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> the battery catches on fire when recharging.
[2:37] <chaoshax> Ha ha' saves money though
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[2:38] <SpeedEvil> Hopefully the charger would not charge batteries in this state though
[2:38] <Maior> SpeedEvil: oh that should be fine
[2:38] <Maior> SpeedEvil: we've grown up with Li* paranoia
[2:38] <SpeedEvil> which assumes it's a balanced decently designed charger, set for the right number of cells.
[2:38] <Maior> and LiPo epitomises that
[2:38] <Maior> ...that was a poorly constructed sentence but hopefully you get the idea
[2:38] <SpeedEvil> Maior: And in products - the lithium batteries are largely safe, due to the safety gear. In RC - there is typically almost no safety gear
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[2:40] <Maior> SpeedEvil: noted, cheers - hopefully the whole being-an-RC-car would mean "generally far away when in use"
[2:40] <chaoshax> Get an ammox box
[2:40] <chaoshax> For charging
[2:41] <SpeedEvil> Never charge out of your presence, and be prepared for it catching light.
[2:41] <SpeedEvil> A charge box/bag is a good plan indeed
[2:41] <Maior> SpeedEvil: yep, that's our base position on Li*
[2:41] <Maior> ooh
[2:41] * Maior googles
[2:41] <RITRedbeard> <SpeedEvil> Never charge out of your presence, and be prepared for it catching light.
[2:41] <RITRedbeard> QFT
[2:41] <Maior> ok sorry, "ammox"?
[2:42] <chaoshax> Ammo
[2:42] <Maior> ..ah, lol
[2:42] <RITRedbeard> I've never seen this before: http://www.amazon.com/900-USB-Connect-Prepaid-Card/dp/B0046REQWQ/ref=pd_sim_sbs_cps_1
[2:42] <chaoshax> Using my crappy tablet keyboard
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[2:42] <RITRedbeard> Prepaid GSM modems? Cool!
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[2:43] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: common in the uk
[2:43] <RITRedbeard> You guys don't get ripped off in telecom as much as we do here in the States.
[2:43] <RITRedbeard> At least last I've heard.
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> Unlimited plans have been basically unknown here until very recently
[2:44] <Maior> chaoshax: heh sorry, it's the kind of conversation where I know so little, I'll take most things at face value
[2:44] <SpeedEvil> RITRedbeard: common things to check - does purchased credit expire?
[2:45] <SpeedEvil> Is it SIM locked - or can you drop in your phone SIM
[2:45] <RITRedbeard> No idea, I had no idea that these things actually existed.
[2:46] <chaoshax> Kids used them at my old school to watch naughty stuff
[2:46] <chaoshax> Been around for years in thr uk
[2:47] <RITRedbeard> that's weird
[2:47] <RITRedbeard> is your telephone/wireless infastructure better?
[2:47] <RITRedbeard> I know your guys ISPs suck big time.
[2:47] <Maior> RITRedbeard: they do?
[2:48] <Maior> was under the impression that they were much better than US ISPs
[2:48] <RITRedbeard> most charge by how much you consume or have caps, no?
[2:48] <RITRedbeard> no cap here
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> It's complex - and the maerket has various segments.
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> For example, I'm paying about $35/mo for 120G/mo
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> - fixed
[2:48] <Maior> I've not yet hit bandwidth caps
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> and $10ish for 1G/mo mobile
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[2:49] <Maior> ah, mobile data, ok
[2:49] <RITRedbeard> I mean our ISPs typically no cap, no charge per usage
[2:49] <hamitron> I've hit my DSL download limits a lot in the past ;)
[2:49] <josip> has anyone ordered a rpi from farnell?
[2:49] <chaoshax> One of the isps is doubling speeds for free
[2:49] <RITRedbeard> and many areas have pretty good connection rate, ours is above the given rate
[2:49] <josip> I want to ask about the experience with it
[2:50] <Sm0ke0ut> I did @ josip
[2:50] <josip> how long from pre-order to delivery?
[2:50] <Sm0ke0ut> that has not much to do with farnell but in the delivery of the RBP in general
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[2:51] <josip> okay
[2:51] <josip> so it's not predictable ? L-)
[2:51] <Sm0ke0ut> anyhow. placed the order on the 3th of april and received my orders 2-3 weeks ago
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[2:51] <Milos|Netbook> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commit/467b0b45e15c6f18047e09d3e7f3d3efb5653b09
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[2:51] <Milos|Netbook> halleluyah!!!!!!
[2:52] <Sm0ke0ut> took only 1 day to send it from Farnell (UK) to my home (NL). so that's fast enough =)
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[2:57] <mcscruff> Maior, you still around?
[2:58] <Maior> mcscruff: yep
[2:58] <Maior> just trying to see if I can get puppet running...
[2:59] <mcscruff> i just spoke to a friend, gpio pins should be able to work is connected to the rf transmitter
[2:59] <mcscruff> so really easy
[3:00] <Maior> interesting...
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[3:00] <mcscruff> just need to get the data that is sent through the rf and directly feed it into the transmitter
[3:01] <Maior> SpeedEvil: ah, I just got to http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#External_Battery_packs_.28with_5V_regulated_output.29
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[3:06] <Dashkal> hmm.. raspbmc seems to have just vanished from the face of the internet.
[3:06] <Super_Dog> What do you suggest for a remote control for XBMC on pi? Keyboard... Mouse... Media remote of some sort?
[3:06] <Super_Dog> Dashkal... Use the pre-built image...
[3:06] <Milos|Netbook> bootc, do you have the USB SOF fixes in your 3.2.21?
[3:06] <Super_Dog> I'm running it right now...
[3:07] <Maior> Super_Dog: we use usb wireless keyboard
[3:07] <Dashkal> Super_Dog: Got a link? raspbmc.com just vanished
[3:07] <Super_Dog> http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=730&page=3
[3:07] <Maior> Super_Dog: we've got the iOS apps installed but we don't use them
[3:07] <Dashkal> danke
[3:07] <Super_Dog> ImageWriter in Ubuntu didn't work though...
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[3:08] <mcscruff> Super_Dog, i have used android app, cheap usb remote and original xbox remote (i prefer the original and then the app over the standard usb remote)
[3:08] <Super_Dog> For Linux distro try dd.... http://www.embeddedarm.com/support/faqs.php?item=10
[3:09] <Super_Dog> For Windows - Win32imagwriter = https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer
[3:10] <Super_Dog> How did you get the original Xbox remote to fly?
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[3:10] <Super_Dog> I have a few in a box somewhere over here....
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[3:10] <Super_Dog> Is there an adapter for the old Xbox connector to USB?
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[3:11] <mcscruff> Super_Dog, the original xbox controllers are actually usb
[3:12] <mcscruff> so i just wired it up to a usb cable
[3:12] <RITRedbeard> ^ This is correct.
[3:12] <Dashkal> mmm, prebuilt seems to be behind marketing walls
[3:13] <RITRedbeard> I soldered one to USB once and got it working... not sure why? I think I was in a nostalgia/emulator mdoe
[3:13] <RITRedbeard> mode
[3:13] <Dashkal> mmm, read the whole post, Dashkal
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[3:13] <mcscruff> the driver is built in to raspbmc or if you look at the pi forum i put the module for openelec on there
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[3:27] <mikey_w> Any distro running openvpn on the raspi?
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[3:37] <Super_Dog> raspbmc working well with mp3's too... Have to say pretty good so far...
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[3:38] <Super_Dog> RIT Redbeard Is there a good guide you'd recommend for soldering the old Xbox Remote dongle to a USB cable?
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[3:40] <XeCrypt> Super_Dog, http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Wire_your_XBOX_DVD-Remote_for_USB
[3:41] <Super_Dog> Also, do I have to reboot the pi running raspbmc if I switch audio from the HDMI to the analog.... Getting good hdmi audio but won't switch to analog...
[3:41] <XeCrypt> I have the opposite problem
[3:42] <XeCrypt> it wont switch back to hdmi for me :(
[3:42] <Super_Dog> XeCrypt... I can google, too... :-) The question is have you tried their method and did it work for you?
[3:42] <XeCrypt> nope, didnt try.. but I dont see a reason why it shouldnt work
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[3:44] <Super_Dog> Is there anything off the shelf for like $10 at Newegg or Fry's or something?
[3:44] <Super_Dog> Looks like a lot of work... :-)
[3:44] <srin> no.
[3:45] <XeCrypt> alternatively, you can solder to the metalpads of the connector
[3:45] <XeCrypt> no need to rip the case from the dongle apart
[3:45] <Super_Dog> XeCrypt... Was your raspbmc coming out of the Box with HDMI or with Analog default. (Mine was HDMI and it works..)
[3:46] <XeCrypt> yep, works now too
[3:46] <XeCrypt> before I switched the mode to analog and played a vid
[3:46] <XeCrypt> and it was analog
[3:46] <Super_Dog> Are you saying I shouldn't try changing it to analog. ?
[3:46] <XeCrypt> to get it back to hdmi I switched to hdmi and rebooted right away
[3:46] <XeCrypt> which was a mistake
[3:46] <XeCrypt> now i selected hdmi again, played a movie.. and it works
[3:47] <Super_Dog> Is analog the problem then...?
[3:47] <XeCrypt> oh you can try changing to analog
[3:47] <XeCrypt> just expect some reboots or other combinations to switch it back then
[3:47] <Super_Dog> Analog is handy for headphones and older setups with 1/8" jack...
[3:47] <XeCrypt> I cant give you a definitive solution, I am sorry
[3:48] <Super_Dog> So I have to re-boot rasbmc to get analog?
[3:48] <Super_Dog> Doesn't seem to work changing on the fly....
[3:49] <XeCrypt> you got a vid or other media stopped in the background?
[3:49] <Super_Dog> I'm using the pre-built image... http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=730&page=2
[3:49] <Super_Dog> Hmmm... Let me check...
[3:49] <XeCrypt> just make you sure you dont.. then switch to analog.. try to play a vid.. if it doesnt work right away, reboot the Pi
[3:49] <XeCrypt> as easy as that :P
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[3:55] <Super_Dog> Excellent advice XeCrypt...
[3:55] <Super_Dog> That did the trick...
[3:55] <Super_Dog> Switching HDMI and analog on the fly - whoo hooo.... Just stop that media baby...
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[5:27] <vfxectropy> any recommendations of what fs I should use for a pi? I'm about to set up a gentoo image.
[5:27] <vfxectropy> I've looked at benchmarks but I can't really tell what would be meaningful on such a low throughput device (like an sd card)
[5:28] <RITRedbeard> what is the default for rasbpian?
[5:28] <Arch-MBP> ext4
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[5:29] <RITRedbeard> I'd think for NAND media like flash card or USB drive you'd want to use JFFS2...?
[5:29] <RITRedbeard> then again, I'm not entirely sure
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[5:31] <vfxectropy> interesting, didn't even look at jffs2
[5:32] <RITRedbeard> it's what embedded images use for openwrt and stuff, I have a embedded x86 system called a bifferboard
[5:32] <RITRedbeard> and it uses jffs or squashfs for it's flash based file system
[5:33] <RITRedbeard> but then again, I'm not sure, I'm kind of curious myself because I've been meaning to format my laptop to linux but not sure what file system would be best for the SSD.
[5:33] <vfxectropy> squash is disqualified, read only
[5:33] <vfxectropy> the laptop I'm on now is reiser but that's a bit dated
[5:34] <vfxectropy> I set up the fs before ext4 was released I think
[5:35] <RITRedbeard> Yeah, I know for the SSD probably not JFFS2 but like... I'll have to look around and do some research
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[5:37] <vfxectropy> it's what I'm doing now :P
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[5:57] <vfxectropy> ext4 wins...
[5:57] <RITRedbeard> for raspberry pi USB stick?
[5:59] <vfxectropy> sd card. found benchmarks of btrfs, xfs, reiser and ext4
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[5:59] <vfxectropy> and ext4 was winning at random IO and placing at sequential
[6:00] <RITRedbeard> how about write?
[6:01] <vfxectropy> still placing
[6:01] <vfxectropy> it's weakness was rapidly creating/deleting files
[6:01] <vfxectropy> but I doubt anyone has that purpose in mind for an sd card
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[6:44] <Pickley> :D my motor board owrks
[6:45] <Arch-MBP> Pickley: you get the wifi worked out?
[6:46] <Pickley> Arch-MBP: Not yet
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[6:47] <Pickley> need some jumper leads next
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[6:54] <Pickley> I think this will work...
[7:05] <Pickley> interesting found someones guide to doing this with arduino
[7:06] <Pickley> they seem to run them through transistors first >.>
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[9:03] <Sweet-P> has there been an FAQ setup for questions about Windows8/arm for the device?
[9:03] <megatog615> Sweet-P: windows 8 for arm requires armv7
[9:04] <Sweet-P> gotcha, that fixes the rest of my questions, thanks!
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[9:26] <Pickley> speed testing :D
[9:26] <Pickley> 1.6M/s
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[10:22] <`Messiah> Does anyone here happen to be working on using an Arduino, linked to a Pi, pushing temperatures and Humdities out via HTTP Post using Node.js ?
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[10:25] <bootc> Milos|Netbook: first I hear of it, but I'll include it in my next kernel
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[10:25] <Milos|Netbook> awesome :)
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[10:28] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps.
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[10:29] <Arch-MBP> howdy
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[10:41] <Pickley> Hey
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[10:41] <Pickley> So gonna get some jumper wires tomorrow :D
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[10:44] <smikey> hi
[10:45] <Pickley> Hey
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[11:13] <smikey> i just can't compile the snes9x.. :(
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[11:15] <Weaselweb> hi there. is it possible to use the raspberry outdoor?
[11:16] <lenz> wu not?
[11:16] <lenz> whu*
[11:16] <SpeedEvil> Weaselweb: In an appropriate case.
[11:17] <lenz> in rugged will be better
[11:17] <SpeedEvil> The interior of the box shouldn't go over 45C or so, and there shouldn't be any insects, and moisture is an issue too.
[11:17] <Weaselweb> yes, of course it needs a case then. what about negative temperatures below freeze point?
[11:17] <Pickley> Does solder freeze?
[11:17] <Pickley> etc
[11:17] <SpeedEvil> To a degree, the self-heating will keep the Pi considerably warmer than the environment
[11:18] <Pickley> I presume it should be fine
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[11:18] <Pickley> as you can cool normal PCs with liquid nitrogen lol
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> Does your environment get colder than -20C or so?
[11:18] <Weaselweb> SpeedEvil: if the weinter is getting cold, then yes :)
[11:18] <Weaselweb> *winter
[11:18] <Weaselweb> my idea is to use it with some 1-wire sensors to get climate data and send it per WiFi into the house
[11:19] <SpeedEvil> Weaselweb: then you might want an additional heater that'd kick in to keep the Pi above freezing.
[11:19] <SpeedEvil> how are you powering this?
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[11:19] <lenz> Weaselweb , you can use sensors outdoor only
[11:19] <Weaselweb> no actual plans, but I would prefer a USB-power cable, like them for smartphones
[11:19] <`Messiah> Weaselweb: I'm planning to do the same, but with the Pi inside the house (just running cat5 to the 1-wires)
[11:20] <Weaselweb> `Messiah: yep, that would be ideal, but putting cat5 is a problem here :(
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[11:21] <`Messiah> Distance?
[11:21] <lenz> folks, I'm searching for the sensors too
[11:21] <Weaselweb> well, even 3 wires would be enough, but maybe even that is a no-can-do
[11:21] <lenz> can you tell me the model name of sensors?
[11:21] <Weaselweb> `Messiah: <10m 1-wire, if reaspberry is inside, if outside is possible <5m
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[11:22] <lenz> or how you planning to connect sensort to the PI
[11:22] <Weaselweb> lenz: DS9490R
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[11:24] <lenz> Weaselweb, thnx
[11:24] <SpeedEvil> http://b3ta.com/challenge/week-in-pictures/
[11:24] <lenz> and wich kind of sensors you planning to use for temperature monitoring?
[11:24] <SpeedEvil> ds1820b
[11:25] <SpeedEvil> Or is it ds18b20
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[11:26] <`Messiah> I'm using ds18b20's at the moment
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[11:30] <Weaselweb> SpeedEvil: what power should have such a heater?
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[11:31] <SpeedEvil> Weaselweb: depends on the case.
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> Measure what's needed to heat it by 20C in normal temps, use that
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> if it's a small box, maybe 2-5W.
[11:32] <Ben64> I got a bluetooth keyboard... how do i make the pi connect to it without gui?
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> you also want to keep it sheltered from wind to avoid windchill
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[11:32] <Weaselweb> SpeedEvil: yep, I've read the pi needs no circulation for "cooling"
[11:33] <Weaselweb> so, I would use a windproof case
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> I mean - if the case is directly wexposed to the wind - it will be cooled on its outside.
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> This could dramatically increase the power needed to keep it over 0C
[11:36] <Ben64> encase it in expanding foam
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[11:45] <Pickley> Tomorrow = reset my arch setup, install lightttpd, and set up torrents properly :)
[11:46] <Ben64> i can't even get my pi to recognize my bluetooth usb device
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[11:56] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, your biggest issue will be power. How are you going to get mains or 5V out to it?
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> And if you can get power out to it, then you can get Ethernet out to it too, so you might as well forget wi-fi...
[11:57] <reider59> a little tied up in Battlefield for now. But my Rii Mini kb/mouse works on Bluetooth in Wheezy. so does my pic frame with Linux embedded in it.
[11:57] <reider59> Might be driver problems
[11:57] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: i have already a power socket at the outside
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[11:57] <Weaselweb> so I don't need to wire that too
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, just put it in a big tupperware box then.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, and forget about overheating, just keep it in the shade.
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, forget about it freezing too. it won't.
[11:59] <Weaselweb> I don't think overtemperature wil be an issue
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> Plan B: http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws1.jpg That's an Arduino with an XRF radio module...
[12:00] <Weaselweb> well, I've read on the FAQ the LAN9512 has only 0??C to 70??C
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[12:01] <gordonDrogon> in a closed box (other than the cable entry/exit points) it'll be fine. It'll keep itself warm enough.
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> and if it does get cold enough, then *shrug* so what... ;-)
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> you won't need a computer to tell you it's cold :)
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[12:02] <Pickley> just buy an outdoor temperature sensor premade lol
[12:02] <Weaselweb> of course not, but I want to track the temperature and some other stuff, especially if it is cold :)
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[12:03] <gordonDrogon> I think when dealing with components that cost under ?100 then you do what you can - just do it, and if/when it fails then you do something about it. until then...
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws.jpg is about ?120's worth though. the wind/rain stuff added another ?60 or so.
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> and we had a nice box to put it in.
[12:04] <Weaselweb> the Pi isn't not that expensice, but the (re)order time might be a problem :)
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> I really doubt you'll damage a Pi in a box outdoors. Just keep it dry.
[12:06] <reider59> Winter is the time I have to watch with my gear. I don`t use the heating unless absolutely necessary and mostly to stop things freezing up. It`s the only way I get to have a little free cash
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> :/
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> reider59: I'm currentyly saving up for house insulation doing that.
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> Have insulated one room well for this winter.
[12:06] <WASDx> reider59: Bake some bread. Cheaper than buying and the oven helps heating up your house
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> my house has 2' thick stone walls )-:
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: ""
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, most modern domestic ovens are quite efficient these days, but eating the bread will make you feel good :)
[12:07] <reider59> I was lucky, we got double glazing, insulation, new front door, new kitchen, bathroom and toilet decorated, new shower, rewiring etc in with the rent
[12:07] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: what hardware do you use on the other wireless site with your arduino?
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> not allowed to have double glazing here - 2mm wafer thin glass )-:
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[12:08] <SpeedEvil> reider59: Spent most of last winter on the sofa under a couple of blankets, with an electric blanket, and keyboard under the blankets.
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[12:08] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: double glazing is pretty much a lie.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> the arduino talks back to a linux box. it was supposed to be a Pi, but it's an old Laptop for now - any old Linux box works.
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: you care about the vastly larger wall area
[12:08] <reider59> I just cover the dog up and wear plenty of warm clothing. Made some long johns out of old jumper sleeves and a blanket with arms on. Look a picture in winter
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, closing the wooden shutters makes huge difference. I'd want DG for noise reduction as much as heat loss prevention.
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> That's a good reason
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> but dartmoor national park won't let me as the house is grade 2 listed, conservation area, and DNP are a law unto themselves.
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> Secondary glazing is an option of course.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> technically I must replace broken panes with 2mm glass - however it's illegal to do so when the window height is less than some level, so then it must be 3mm toughened glass - by law.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> but if DNP found out they'd take me to court over it.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> (I had to get a few panes replaced last year)
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> if I'd known that about DNP I'd never have moved here in the first place.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> want a laugh? The pub down the road from me wanted to re-do their ktichen - environmental health said, they needed a new extractor system - DNP said no - can't put that pipe outside (round the back where no-one can see it)
[12:12] <reider59> We had a listed building in Warrington, opposite the railway station. Oopsone Sunday a digger that wasn`t doing any work in the area came past and accidentally knocked it down. The Council/courts fined them only ??30,000 and I dare bet the council paid the fine and a bit besides.One rule for us and another for them.
[12:13] <reider59> It`s now a car park
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> Same pub then wanted to renovate their letting rooms - fire safety said they needed a new fire escape - DNP said it must be wooden to keep in-character.... A wooden fire escape... Doh!
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> pub is now up for sale to be converted into flats.
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> right some stuff to do round the house. back later!
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[12:19] <VelociReptar> Soon
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[12:54] <lrvick> ok im now more sure than ever there is some kind of short in this board
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[13:16] <Sp0tter> can anyone recommend a good tiny keyboard
[13:17] <Sp0tter> maybe 10" netbook size or smaller
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[13:29] <Ben64> Sp0tter: http://www.justamazingdeals.com/
[13:29] <Ben64> as long as you can get bluetooth working
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[13:32] <Sp0tter> Ben64: interesting
[13:32] <Ben64> i bought that kb
[13:32] <Ben64> i mean, where else can you get a mini bt kb for $15
[13:32] <Sp0tter> work well i take it?
[13:32] <Ben64> works great on my desktop and droid
[13:32] <Ben64> my usb bt adapter isn't recognized by the pi though
[13:32] <Sp0tter> how many inches long is it?
[13:33] <Sp0tter> (thats what she said)
[13:33] <Ben64> hmm.. can't find tape measure
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[13:34] <Sp0tter> found it on newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823176027 [-]
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[13:34] <CartAss> Problem: lsmod is empty, why?
[13:34] <Sp0tter> doesn't have great reviews
[13:34] <Sp0tter> but looks good
[13:35] <Ben64> aw, it has size listed there
[13:35] <Ben64> i was about to say 2x dvd width
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[13:36] <Sp0tter> this is exactly what i am looking for
[13:36] <Ben64> the 1 egg review is user error
[13:36] <Sp0tter> if the pi and bluetooth play
[13:36] <Ben64> and yeah, the keys are a bit small
[13:36] <Ben64> but its small, so... yeah
[13:37] <Sp0tter> its about the same as a netbook
[13:37] <Sp0tter> i have a 10.1" netbook that i can type just fine on
[13:37] <Ben64> don't expect it to be a full size keyboard
[13:37] <Ben64> and you won't be sad
[13:37] <Sp0tter> and my wife has a smaller one, that i can type on.. long slender fingers heh
[13:37] <Sp0tter> i wonder if i could get a cheap bluetooth dongle that is already linux supported in arm
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[13:37] <Ben64> me too, heh
[13:38] <Ben64> i'd love to be able to control it from the couch with this
[13:38] <Ben64> right now i have to use ssh + android
[13:39] <Sp0tter> ah they dont take paypal
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[13:39] <Ben64> thought they did
[13:39] <Sp0tter> looks like only visa and mastercard
[13:40] <Ben64> oh you're right
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[13:42] <Sp0tter> have yuo bought many things from this company?
[13:42] <Ben64> just the kb
[13:42] <Ben64> found the site through deals.woot.com
[13:43] <Ben64> the multiple links thing is really cool
[13:43] <Ben64> press a hotkey combo on the kb, and it switches to different device
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> Sp0tter, I'm using this on a Pi: http://linitx.com/product/10838 it's a bit pricey, and they layout is sometimes fiddly, but for portable use it's ideal.
[13:44] <Sp0tter> i just want mine for using once in a blue moon when my main computer locks up to ssh in and reset X
[13:44] <Sp0tter> and maybe for irssi when i'm gamining on my main computer
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> Sp0tter: alt+ctrl+f1 - switch to VT 1
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> then you login, and kill X
[13:45] <Ben64> doesn't always work
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> - this will usually work, even with X locked up.
[13:45] <Ben64> especially with fancy nvidia/ati drivers
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> Alternatively, you can have an old unique USB device that you've configured to kill X
[13:45] <Sp0tter> SpeedEvil: yea, doesn't work on these crazy firefox lockups i get
[13:45] <Sp0tter> all keyboard input dies
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> for example, an old 64M flash drive.
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[13:46] <SpeedEvil> - and yes - sshing in is of course a better way
[13:46] <Sp0tter> Ben64: year.. adobe flash + firefox + catalyst 12.6 = random lockup
[13:46] <Ben64> turn off hardware acceleration
[13:46] <Sp0tter> never!
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[13:46] <Ben64> (in flash)
[13:46] <Ben64> it causes tons of problems
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[13:47] <Sp0tter> Ben64: its actually off
[13:47] <Ben64> oh
[13:47] <Sp0tter> EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0
[13:48] <Ben64> dunno then
[13:48] <michiwend> hi, i can not REboot my pi using Archlinux. It won?t come up again :( any idea whats the problem?
[13:48] <Ben64> i haven't had flash problems since Gutsy Gibbon
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[13:49] <Sp0tter> Ben64: i'm in Arch
[13:50] <Sp0tter> off to bed though, later
[13:50] <Ben64> same
[13:50] <michiwend> i have to unplug and plug in again
[13:51] * aaa801 awakens, hops in the channel and continues with his lfs build
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, How many days now?
[13:57] <Crenn-NAS> Music from this is awesome: http://vimeo.com/44801709 :D
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> michiwend, have you made sure you've got the latest firmware and kernel? Run rpi-update, etc?
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[13:57] <Crenn-NAS> And for those worried, it's a timelapse video from space
[13:58] <aaa801> gordonDrogon. im building it on the actual pi now, too many issues with cross compiling it
[13:58] <aaa801> On glibc pass 1 atm
[13:58] <michiwend> gordonDrogon, im doing an update right now
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[13:59] <michiwend> gordonDrogon, the linux-firmware package gets an update
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[14:05] <gordonDrogon> michiwend, I can't think of any reason that it would reboot normally, but who knows... However I've not tried arch, only debian.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, I compiled up apache/mysql and php yesterday - took all afternoon just for those 3!
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[14:06] <Joshun> hi
[14:06] <Joshun> does anybody know how much SD card space raspbmc takes up?
[14:07] <aaa801> joshun, raspmc resizes itself for the sdcard
[14:07] <Joshun> how much space though
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[14:07] <aaa801> proberly less then a gb in total
[14:07] <Joshun> the actual site is down but download mirrors work fine
[14:07] <Joshun> ok
[14:07] <aaa801> but it updates itself on first load
[14:07] <aaa801> so big download of root fs
[14:08] <aaa801> just use the installer
[14:08] <Joshun> an odd way of doing things
[14:08] <michiwend> gordonDrogon, it works \o/
[14:08] <aaa801> not realy
[14:08] <Joshun> most people prefer to just image an sd card with dd
[14:08] <aaa801> use a loader to repartition the sdcard, then download the newest rootfs
[14:08] <aaa801> allows for more storage space
[14:08] <aaa801> etc
[14:09] <aaa801> gordonDrogon what clock are you running at?
[14:09] <Joshun> i'll test it out and see what its like. as long as it doesn't take all day to download i'll be fine
[14:09] <aaa801> it took about 30mins on a slow connection
[14:10] <aaa801> its a prety striped dist tbh
[14:10] <Joshun> do you have to format the sd card first
[14:10] <Joshun> or does the installer do it
[14:10] <aaa801> Not sure on that one
[14:10] <MrZYX> the installer does it iirc
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[14:11] <Joshun> i'll reformat it as FAT32 just in case
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[14:11] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: what clock are you running at?
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[14:13] <Joshun> the python installer doesn't work
[14:13] <Joshun> urllib2.URLError: <urlopen error [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname>
[14:13] <Joshun> must be because their site is down
[14:13] <MrZYX> yeah
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[14:13] <Joshun> they should have hosted it on somewhere like sourceforge, with free hosting and reliable access
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[14:15] <Maior> lol
[14:15] <Maior> (where's it hosted?)
[14:15] <Joshun> its own website
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[14:15] <Joshun> raspbmc.com or something i think
[14:16] <Joshun> http://www.raspbmc.com/
[14:16] <booyaa> wouldn't be surprised if they want to monetize otherwise why would you host your own code when palces like git hub around
[14:17] <booyaa> won't touch sourceforge or google code nowadays. least use bit bucket
[14:17] <booyaa> sourceforge is going the same way as freshmeat
[14:17] <Joshun> depends what your hosting exactly
[14:17] <Joshun> different sites serve different purposes
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[14:17] <Joshun> ubuntu for example is based around launchpad.net
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[14:18] <booyaa> yeah but ubuntu can sustain its own ecosphere
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[14:18] <booyaa> i do wonder how long those guys can last against open elec?
[14:18] <Joshun> i think the python installer ought to select a fallback mirror on error
[14:19] <booyaa> definitely!
[14:19] <Joshun> i've yet to find a working openelec image
[14:19] <booyaa> kernel.org got shut down... the in ability to get git from a source stopped a lot of installers
[14:20] <MrZYX> if you got a good desktop and some time compiling openelec is easy
[14:20] <booyaa> why doesn't someone package it already?
[14:20] <MrZYX> Joshun: http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Building_and_Installing_OpenELEC_for_Raspberry_Pi
[14:20] <booyaa> just imagine how many people have compiled and wasted cycles
[14:20] <Joshun> it seems silly compiling it
[14:20] <Joshun> it would take forever
[14:20] <MrZYX> I think there are ready to download files
[14:21] <MrZYX> about 3 hours on my quad core lap
[14:21] <MrZYX> subsequent compiles are faster once the toolchain is build
[14:21] <Joshun> oh maybe there are builds available
[14:22] <Joshun> not a large download size too
[14:22] <MrZYX> yeah openelec puts the rootfs into a container you can put on your sdcard
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, hi - sorry was afk for a bit. 900Mhz.
[14:23] <MrZYX> Joshun: http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/
[14:23] <Joshun> yeah found it but thanks anyway
[14:23] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: mines at 1ghz :D
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, good luck :) I have a Pi that's not stable at 900 )-: It randomly stops every few days...
[14:27] <aaa801> Mine seems to be from a epic quality batch
[14:27] <aaa801> its been stable for a week
[14:27] <aaa801> :p
[14:28] <netman87> aaa801: 1GHz? did u use overvoltage?
[14:28] <aaa801> netman87: ye of 6
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[14:28] <netman87> :(
[14:28] <aaa801> ?
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, yea, I have two that are rock solid at 900 (no Overvolt). And one that seemed stable, but has recently been a bit flakey - however it's stable at the default again.
[14:29] <netman87> i dont wanna use overvoltage before i get second raspi
[14:29] <booyaa> daft question but where can i see what speed by pi is running at?
[14:29] <aaa801> aha, i have 2
[14:29] <aaa801> :)
[14:29] <aaa801> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[14:29] <booyaa> asides setting the various overclocking params
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, cat /proc/cpuinfo - bogomips is close to clock speed.
[14:29] <booyaa> ah cheers
[14:29] <booyaa> to both of you
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, however, if /boot/config.sys is empty, it's 700MHz by default.
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> e,g, BogoMIPS : 898.66 - from fro a 900MHz Pi.
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[14:30] <netman87> i hope i get soon batterys for my camera so i can make little article about raspi
[14:30] <aaa801> Quick question, the hell is a .os file?
[14:31] <booyaa> where is it?
[14:31] <booyaa> or just something you're about to download
[14:31] <netman87> it seems like no finnish site have made article/howto about it
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[14:31] <netman87> aaa801: .so ?
[14:31] <aaa801> no .os
[14:32] <aaa801> whiel building glibc
[14:32] <aaa801> seems to be using it as some kind of source
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[14:35] <Cracknel_> .so is a library, like the .dll on windows
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[14:36] <mischief> hello
[14:36] <Cracknel_> hello :)
[14:36] <mischief> has anyone experience with spi programming on the rpi via /dev/spidev?
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[14:39] <aaa801> Cracknel_: .OS not .SO
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[14:40] <aaa801> -MT /mnt/lfs/sources/glibc-build/nptl/version.os
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[14:47] <mischief> no spi programmers huh :-(
[14:47] <Neonkoala> aaa801: probably an object (ASM) file. usually there's .o files
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[14:54] <Weaselweb> mischief: I have no experience with spi on rpi, but I used /dev/spidev sometimes. what is your actual question?
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[14:55] <mischief> im trying to drive this dot matrix display but nothing shows up. i guess i don't have a question i am just frusterated
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[15:09] <JMNUTS> where can I get a quake3 image to my raspberry pi ? do I have to compile the game ?
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[15:12] <JMNUTS> just got it: thanks by the way: http://myraspberrypiexperience.blogspot.pt/p/quake3.html
[15:14] <steve_rox> wish i had more than one usb keyboard ;-)
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[15:14] <JMNUTS> for what game ?
[15:14] <steve_rox> because when i go to use the desktop pc i forget its keyboard is on the PI :-P
[15:14] <ReggieUK> I bought a 2nd one the other day from poundstretcher
[15:15] <steve_rox> you can buy keyboards from ?1 shops now?
[15:15] <ReggieUK> it's not a pound shop
[15:15] <JMNUTS> I thought you would need to play with a friend
[15:15] <JMNUTS> :)
[15:15] <ReggieUK> it was ??6.99
[15:15] <ReggieUK> but it was local so if it doesn't work it can go straight back
[15:16] <Maior> JMNUTS: there are bots
[15:16] <steve_rox> sounds handy
[15:16] <Maior> and yeah, t'was first test I did ;)
[15:16] <steve_rox> cheap keyboards to rip apart and turn into some other custom interface i guess
[15:17] <steve_rox> i did buy a SD card reader from the ?1 shop and its all screwy on my desktop pc , yet the eeepc laptops are fine with it
[15:17] <steve_rox> most annoying
[15:17] <ReggieUK> I've got a usb keyboard for the pi but it's a bit of a waste + it's got a built in hub and gives an error when enumerating (the keyboard itself works just fine)
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[15:17] <ReggieUK> so this one will be ideal
[15:18] <ReggieUK> and yeah, first thing I did was take it apart :D
[15:18] <ReggieUK> the whole thing is held together by tension
[15:18] <steve_rox> :-D
[15:18] <steve_rox> its nessery to take it apart to see what poor fool had to solder by hand in it
[15:18] <ReggieUK> including keeping the keyboard matrix connected to the matrix pads on the controller board
[15:18] <steve_rox> and inspect how safe it is
[15:20] <ReggieUK> nope
[15:20] <ReggieUK> I just wanted to see inside it
[15:20] <mischief> sigh i thnk i broke it or something
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[15:20] <steve_rox> theres that too :-)
[15:20] <steve_rox> and the occational fun of a spring or something flying out then takeing many hours to rebuild it
[15:20] <reider59> Lately I`m using my Rii mini BT keyboard/mouse with the RasPi. If I have something longwinded to type in like some programming then I ftp the file to Windows, which is on most of the time anyway. complete the typing there, usually in Notepad 100, and transfer it back by FTP to the RasPi
[15:20] <ReggieUK> one day I'm going to luck out and find one that's got sensible solder points on it for reappropriating :D
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[15:21] <steve_rox> :-P
[15:21] <ReggieUK> then I can make custom controllers without having to program an IC
[15:21] <ReggieUK> just hook up what I need to the matrix
[15:22] <steve_rox> no idea what to do with my pi yet , gonna get it a psu that wont crash it and a case i think
[15:22] <ReggieUK> does anyone know of a usb keyboard IC that's easily available?
[15:22] <ReggieUK> I think I've got my pi power sorted
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[15:23] <ReggieUK> just discovered that my hdmi cable isn't 5m like I thought, it's 10m :D
[15:23] <steve_rox> i had a 700ma phone charger on it
[15:23] <netman87> heh compiling kernel... how much its gonna take RAM memory at peak? i mean do i need to enable swap
[15:23] <steve_rox> every time i went to play vids it just died
[15:23] <steve_rox> im assumeing its the power and nothing else
[15:23] <ReggieUK> probably
[15:23] <steve_rox> https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-cases
[15:24] <steve_rox> whats you make of these cases?
[15:24] <ReggieUK> if you get a digital multimeter you can test it (or an analog one for that matter)
[15:24] <steve_rox> im wondering do they catch scratches etc easy
[15:24] <steve_rox> id have to cut the charger cable probly
[15:24] <mischief> i made a case on a 3d printer
[15:24] <ReggieUK> well, don't take it as a personal endorsement because I don't own one and haven't seen on in real life
[15:24] <ReggieUK> but
[15:24] <ReggieUK> They look about the best cases I've seen so far
[15:24] <steve_rox> speculation ;-)
[15:25] <ReggieUK> well, just looking at them, all the holes are in the right places and ultimately, they look professional
[15:26] <ReggieUK> I will be ordering one at some point
[15:26] <steve_rox> slight consern about ventlation
[15:26] <mischief> Weaselweb: GPIO10 is the line for SPI data right?
[15:26] <ReggieUK> nothing a dremel wouldn't sort out
[15:26] <mischief> and GPIO8 for LOAD?
[15:26] <Weaselweb> mischief: no idea, i saw the pin usage on the wiki
[15:26] <steve_rox> iam not skilled with a dremel
[15:27] <JMNUTS> what means SPI ?
[15:27] <mischief> serial peripheral bus
[15:27] <reider59> I have 2, got my sandwich type with breadboard (about ??17) and then a box type where two sides hinge out and the Pi slides in. that was ??7.50 and the one I`ll use on the Scutter.
[15:27] <ReggieUK> it would be very simple to mount a small fan on there if necessary or to just create some venting holes
[15:28] <steve_rox> the chips on the PI do get most hot
[15:28] <steve_rox> think i mesured it at 55'c
[15:29] <JMNUTS> I love the fact that it doesnt need fans, but a heatsink may be nice
[15:29] <steve_rox> makes me wonder if they shoud be heatsinked
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[15:29] <ReggieUK> I@m not bothered by the temperature myself
[15:30] <steve_rox> oh?
[15:30] <ReggieUK> got plenty of stuff knocking around to measure it if necessary
[15:30] <ReggieUK> but it really doesn't get warm enough at all to consider
[15:30] <JMNUTS> I read some articles they say heasinks and fans are not needed
[15:30] <ReggieUK> they aren't
[15:30] <ReggieUK> maybe if you're overvolting whilst overclocking it might be a consideration
[15:31] <steve_rox> ive seen some that heatsink em
[15:31] <steve_rox> and loose about 17'c
[15:31] <steve_rox> something like that
[15:33] <JMNUTS> I am using some stapler suplies to make a custom heatsink :)
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> netman87, compiling doesn't seem to need that much RAM - well based on compiling apache/php/mysql yesterday on a 224MB split Pi... Linking seems to push it a little.
[15:33] <steve_rox> brb soon
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> netman87, my Pi only used 8MB of swap compiling those three...
[15:34] <Maior> time to try running openvpn on my RasPi...
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> Maior, no reason it won't work - the encryption might be slow...
[15:36] <Maior> gordonDrogon: fortunately I don't believe I need much in the way of encryption (am really just NAT-punching) so can probably drop it to something light on CPU
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> Maior, yea - I've not run it on a Pi, but I run it in many other places. Should be straightforward.
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[15:41] <netman87> gordonDrogon: i dont have swap or swapfile and im compiling kernel as i need some options enabled
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[15:42] <Chetic> I've set up a point-to-point connection between the pi and my pc, but it disconnects after a few minutes.. what could be doing that?
[15:42] <Chetic> debian squeeze
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[15:43] <JMNUTS> what do you mean by point-to-point ?
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> netman87, probalby be ok, but a small swapfile - even 16MB might help as Linux might push out some otherwise unused stuff to free up more RAM for buffers.
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> netman87, any extra RAM helps, but it's going to be mostly CPU bound during compiling...
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[15:44] <muep> netman87: why not just add a temporary swap file to avoid having programs crash in case where you run out of RAM?
[15:44] <Chetic> JMNUTS: pi<->pc over ethernet with static IPs (command: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 pointopoint 192.168.0.2)
[15:46] <JMNUTS> maybe the cable, dont know if you need a crossover cable to the pi
[15:46] <Chetic> it works for like 5 minutes though
[15:46] <Chetic> but guess it's worth trying another cable
[15:48] <JMNUTS> if it stays connected for 5 minutes, shouldn't be the cable
[15:48] <Weaselweb> JMNUTS: the pi has, afaik, auto-mdix
[15:48] <Maior> Chetic: what's on the other side?
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> Chetic, have you run networks like that in the past? using ifconfig like that is not normally how you would configure 2 devices to talk to each other.
[15:48] <Chetic> Maior: win7, static ip
[15:49] <Chetic> no gordonDrogon I never have... how would you recommend I do it?
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[15:49] <gordonDrogon> Chetic, if the win7 box is 192.168.0.2, then just drop the 'pointopoint 192.168.0.2' from the ifconfig command.
[15:49] * aaa801 still staring at the glibc compile
[15:49] <Chetic> oh alright
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> so one box is 192.168.0.1, the other is 192.168.0.2 and connect ethernet between them.
[15:49] <Maior> yeah
[15:49] <Chetic> what's the point of pointopoint?
[15:50] <Maior> I have no idea
[15:50] <reider59> Using instructions off a Web Page for network over USB between the DF3120 picture frame and the Pi the networking is initiated thus;
[15:50] <reider59> ifconfig usb0 172.16.61.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> point to point is to do with bridging usually over non broadcast enabled networks.
[15:50] <netman87> gordonDrogon: like dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1M count=128; mkswap swapfile; swapon swapfile ?
[15:50] <reider59> then telnet to 172.16.61.1 being the pic frame
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> what's probably happening is that no ARP requests are going through, so the link may appear to die after 30 seconds.
[15:51] <reider59> That stays up longer than 5 mins
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> netman87, yup. make size smaller - count=32 is more than enough.
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[15:52] <Weaselweb> netman87: try using head, head -c 128M /dev/zero > swapfile
[15:53] <reider59> I tried telnetting to my new Daft Vader but all he does is breathe heavy
[15:53] <Chetic> seems to work alright now. thanks gordonDrogon
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[15:55] <Gunni> isn't the pi supposed to have 256 mb of ram?
[15:55] <Gunni> because i can't see it
[15:55] <Gunni> root@raspberrypi:~# cat /proc/meminfo
[15:55] <Gunni> MemTotal: 190836 kB
[15:55] <Maior> Gunni: shared with GPU iirc
[15:55] <Gunni> can i disable the gpu?
[15:56] <netman87> Gunni: no
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> Gunni, yes, the GPU has some for the display, the ARM gets the rest.
[15:56] <netman87> u can change flash
[15:56] <netman87> firmware*
[15:56] <netman87> with different memory split
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> You can split it into 224, 192 or 128MB
[15:56] <Gunni> i use it headless, how do i change it?
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[15:56] <gordonDrogon> as root:
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> cd /boot
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> them cp arm224_start.elf start.elf
[15:57] <netman87> Gunni: mv /boot/arm224_start.elf /boot/start.elf
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> don't mv... always cp
[15:57] <netman87> oh cp would be better than mv
[15:57] <ReggieUK> cp is better
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[15:57] <gordonDrogon> yea :) that way you keep the originals and can change again later.
[15:57] <Gunni> but what about the already existing start.elf
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> You'll need either the 192 or the 128 if your running GPU applications, but if not running the gpu then you can use the 224 startup.
[15:58] <aaa801> cp start.elf backup.elf
[15:58] <ReggieUK> it will still exist as arm192_start.elf
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> X works fine with the 224MB split.
[15:58] <Gunni> ahhhh
[15:58] <Gunni> so simple
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> but if you do lose the files, it's easy to get them back again - just run rpi-update ..
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[15:59] <netman87> Gunni: its just one of those armXXX_start.elf files... by changing start.elf you change firmware for GPU. GPU is used to boot and so on. so GPU firmware does memory split
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[15:59] <Gunni> nice
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[15:59] <netman87> gordonDrogon: or copy them from github on computer and move to fat partition on SD as start.elf
[15:59] <Gunni> those start files, can they be modified?
[16:00] <netman87> Gunni: well not so easy as there is no datasheets and no source or compiler tools
[16:00] <aaa801> HELP MEEEEEE http://pastie.org/4220400
[16:00] <aaa801> xD
[16:00] <netman87> source code*
[16:01] <netman87> Gunni: but someones have been able to reverse engineer some files enough to change memory split
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[16:06] <hermanhermitage> whois phire
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[16:06] <hermanhermitage> hah
[16:06] <Gunni> damn
[16:06] <Gunni> The GPU is capable of 1Gpixel/s, 1.5Gtexel/s or 24 GFLOPs of general purpose compute
[16:07] <Gunni> is there a way to use that gpu like a cpu?
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[16:07] <booyaa> which unofficial image are most people using for rasbian? hexxeh?
[16:07] <hermanhermitage> gunni: working on it
[16:07] <hermanhermitage> almost have scalar instruction set completely reversed
[16:07] <Gunni> good job
[16:08] <hermanhermitage> but chip is very complex, probably better to rely on start.elf for a long time, and just patch in extra functions
[16:08] <Gunni> hehe
[16:08] <netman87> well isnt every GPU easy to use to do calculations
[16:08] <Gunni> it is a powerhorse on that device
[16:09] <alexwh> Hey guys, got my RPi from E14 a few days ago and I haven't been able to behave properly: any time I plug a mouse in along with the keyboard, no USB device works at all. When ethernet's plugged in, the FDX LNK and 10M lights linearly flash on and off every few seconds. I also have frequent kernel panics on both Debian and Arch.
[16:09] <alexwh> Is it just underpowered (electrically I mean) or do I have a faulty board?
[16:09] <muep> aren't GPUs usually a bit cumbersome for running arbitrary programs written for CPUs?
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[16:09] <netman87> opengl/egl used just different way
[16:10] <hermanhermitage> thisis more DSP driving 16way integer vector units
[16:10] <hermanhermitage> not really similar to a high performance gpu, this is ultimately a toy
[16:10] * aaa801 lobs his lfs build at gunni;s head
[16:10] <hermanhermitage> sub watt TDP
[16:11] <Gunni> ooow
[16:11] <netman87> alexwh: why dont you just check voltage of raspi with some load
[16:11] <alexwh> netman87: Do I need a physical device to do that?
[16:12] <netman87> oh and rasbian or debian squeeze as os maybe
[16:12] <booyaa> alexwh: you need a multimetre
[16:12] <booyaa> if you plan on playing with the gpio you might as well buy one now
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, I started with the hexxeh image and apt-get update/upgrade daily and apt-get all the packages I want - it's minimal, so you'll need to use apt-get to get all the packages you need.
[16:13] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: i'll give it a go a long with pisces
[16:13] <alexwh> booyaa: Don't have one right now, but if it's any use, the PWR light is pretty steady
[16:13] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: yeah i saw it was /minimal/ :D
[16:15] <reider59> Found a link to the 26 pin IDC connector and cable gert made up for the RasPi GPIO pins. Just ordering 2 cables and 2 connectors from Tandy. 99p for the cables, 39p for each adaptor and ??1 for 3-4 day delivery. I`ll squeeze them up in my vice like Gert showed then split the ends.
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> Tandy? wow do they still exisit?
[16:16] <ReggieUK> it's dead simple reider59, I got lucky and found a 26pin idc cable (well, 25wire cable, 26pin connectors)
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[16:16] <devz3ro> the 7/4 build of OpenELEC XBMC is actually pretty decent
[16:16] <ReggieUK> so I swapped it out for some floppy cable
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[16:16] <ReggieUK> just got to line it up straight
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[16:17] <ReggieUK> and tap it all out with a meter afterwards just in case
[16:17] <reider59> Looked through my swag and nothing close enough but the price is so good I`ll get 2 of each
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> Be very carefull with the other end of you're splitting the ribbon cables... the 5V is next to the 3.3v ...
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> and 5v is next to ground...
[16:17] <ReggieUK> that's why I said to tap it out with a meter gordonDrogon, can never be too careful
[16:17] <ReggieUK> there are 2x5v pins on the pi
[16:18] <ReggieUK> pin 2 and pin 4 on the gpio header
[16:18] <ReggieUK> then pin 6 for ground
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> what I did for my first cable - ex. floppy cable that I split out was to solder on pins to the ends I wanted. Even then and taking care, I manated to reboot the Pi once or twice...
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, yes - the DNC next to +5V is also at+5V !
[16:18] <ReggieUK> all of the other NC pins on the gpio header are in fact connected (mostly ground but refer to the schematic for clarity!)
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[16:19] <ReggieUK> that's not aimed at you gordonDrogon :D I know you know your eggs from your bananas
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> Mmmmmm eggy bananas ...... :)
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[16:19] <chaoshax> Eww
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> banana fritters...
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[16:20] <gordonDrogon> in eggy batter..
[16:20] <reider59> ??3.76 for 2 of each inc delivery.....not 3 bad
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[16:20] <ReggieUK> I was just thinking the same thing
[16:20] <ReggieUK> but with ice cream
[16:20] <ReggieUK> only one flaw
[16:20] <chaoshax> Weirdos
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[16:20] <ReggieUK> I haven't got any eggs, bananas, ice cream or flour
[16:21] <reider59> Got some cider ice lollies in, I think I`ll celebrate with one, more supplies coming has put me in a good mood lol
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[16:22] <reider59> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/26-way-grey-ribbon-cable.html
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[16:23] <ReggieUK> wow
[16:23] <ReggieUK> tandy is pretty pathetic these days?
[16:24] <reider59> just a little, we had a shop here, loved going in there too
[16:24] <ReggieUK> comes to something when an indy like sparkfun has got more stock items than tandy
[16:24] <reider59> I signed up for the newsletter, doubt it will be that big lol
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[16:26] <netman87> hmm why did i take my overclock configs away before started compile kernel
[16:26] <netman87> this takes years
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> netman87, cross compile ...
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> netman87, although I do fancy compiling a kernel on the Pi just for the fun of it.
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon> I imagine it takes a day ish ...
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> or at least as long as compiling php+mysql+apache did yesterday - that was about 6-7 hours in total.
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[16:35] <booyaa> tandy still exists?
[16:35] <netman87> Mem: 188112 177276 10836 Swap: 131068 1704 129364 Type: Total Used Free
[16:36] <booyaa> haven't seen one in ages!
[16:36] <netman87> compiling going on CC fs/fat/misc.o
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[16:43] <gordonDrogon> netman87, hang in there :)
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> netman87, going to give it a go myself...
[16:43] <reider59> siesta time
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[16:43] <gordonDrogon> almost sunday lunch time!
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> the sheep has been in the oven for some time now...
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I need a remote oven temp sensor/relay to my office..
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> I guess I could just point the webcam at it :)
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[17:08] <booyaa> hahaha someone has installed metasploit on an rpi
[17:08] * booyaa expects to see backtrack at some point
[17:09] <j0sh747> yeah I gave metasploit a try on the Pi, great combo heh
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[17:10] <Maior> booyaa: that's on my todo list :P
[17:10] <Adya> What is metasploit?
[17:10] <Maior> Adya: exploit framework
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[17:15] <booyaa> iron geek's collected a nice load of recipes
[17:16] <booyaa> i'd swear if the pwnplug didn't exist the rpi would be owning this area
[17:16] <booyaa> Maior: love to test when you're ready i'm @booyaa on twitter
[17:17] <Adya> What music do real programmes and linuxoids
[17:17] <Adya> Listen
[17:17] <Adya> And love?
[17:17] <Reedy> http://www.linux.fm/
[17:18] <Adya> What genre?
[17:18] <Maior> booyaa: well, I think it still could
[17:18] <Maior> given the pwnplug's pricetag
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[17:19] <SpeedEvil> I listen to a large variety of stuff. Prodigy, Beatles, Prince, Blackbox recorder, Scooter, Nickleback, Blondie, florence and the machine, ...
[17:19] * Maior is listening to Ricky Martin while wading through Valgrind output...
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[17:20] <booyaa> i like pwn plug because people over look it. mind oyu rpi is so small could easily turn it into a roach bait box
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[17:20] <booyaa> or a plug in air freshner
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[17:21] <Artheist> hi all
[17:21] <Artheist> I raise an out of memory error during compilation
[17:21] <Maior> booyaa: it doesn't strike me as substantially smaller than the pwnplug
[17:21] <netman87> anyone made minimal kernel?
[17:22] <Maior> booyaa: especially once you factor in PSU and wifi/3g stuffs
[17:22] <Adya> Prodigy forever:);):)
[17:22] <booyaa> Maior: very true
[17:22] <Artheist> I bet I have to add a swap partition since I don't have one
[17:22] <Artheist> but is it safe to add a sawp without losing data
[17:23] <Artheist> (I don't want to lose all compilation I already made if possible)
[17:23] <Adya> What armv?? is used in pi?
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[17:23] <netman87> ARMv6
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[17:23] <MrZYX> Artheist: it's safe, which memory split do you run?
[17:24] <Adya> Thanks:)
[17:24] <netman87> Artheist: dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/swapfile bs=1M count=64; mkswap /var/swapfile; swapon /var/swapfile
[17:24] <Artheist> MrZYX : memory split ?
[17:25] <booyaa> Artheist: when in doubt, always make a backup image of your sd card
[17:25] <MrZYX> yes the pi has 256MB of memory shared with the GPU and you can select the split
[17:25] <booyaa> then if it goes wrong you reimage
[17:25] <netman87> Artheist: grep Total /proc/meminfo
[17:25] <netman87> or just: free
[17:25] <netman87> and tell total ram its about 128MB, 192MB or 224MB
[17:26] <Artheist> free gives :
[17:26] <netman87> so GPU have 32MB, 64MB or 128MB
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[17:27] <netman87> and dd command i did say makes swapfile. u can use it temporarily or add config to /etc/fstab
[17:27] <Artheist> total used free shared buffers cached
[17:27] <Artheist> Mem : 190836 145763 45100 0 4436 44376
[17:28] <Artheist> -/+ buffers/cache 96924 93912
[17:28] <netman87> okey so u are using CPU 192MB / GPU 64MB
[17:28] <Artheist> Sawp: 0 0 0
[17:29] <netman87> make swapfile, free some ram and try again to compile?
[17:29] <Adya> I asked my brother, who is 36 years old, what he usually listens. He answered Justin Bieber:) facepalm:) to add, he is it manager:)
[17:30] <Artheist> netman : ok, but how big should I set it
[17:30] <Artheist> .
[17:30] <Artheist> ?
[17:30] <netman87> dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/swapfile bs=1M count=128; mkswap /var/swapfile; swapon /var/swapfile; sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches;
[17:30] <Artheist> ok, I'll try that
[17:30] <netman87> 32,64 or 128 MB swapfile
[17:30] <Artheist> ok
[17:30] <netman87> that also drops some cached files from ram and so on
[17:31] <Artheist> I bet I need to reboot before recompile
[17:31] <netman87> why would you need to do that?
[17:31] <MrZYX> windows teached him I bet :P
[17:31] <Artheist> dunno
[17:32] <Artheist> MrZYX : not quite
[17:32] <Artheist> :)
[17:32] <netman87> oh company named after nerd's d*ck
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[17:32] <netman87> micro and soft
[17:32] <lrvick> finally ive done it.
[17:32] <lrvick> I have a rock solid solution to get additional solid power to the usb port
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[17:33] <lrvick> tested over and over.
[17:33] <MrZYX> pictures!
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> Put the Pi in the freezer?
[17:33] <netman87> lrvick: write article about that and we copy your trick like cute monkeys
[17:33] <lrvick> Tomorrow. now that ive spent all night with multimeters, oldering irons, resistors, diodes, caps, and unsoldering/resoldering many things on my board and testing over and over.
[17:34] <Adya> So?
[17:34] <lrvick> I now have a solid solution that should take about 10 mins on any pi... but ive been up 48 hours
[17:34] <lrvick> so im going to pass out
[17:34] <lrvick> then document tomorrow
[17:34] <Adya> Ok:)
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[17:35] <netman87> lrvick: remember to give my nick when u give link to article/document/pictures
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[17:35] <netman87> hilight
[17:37] <lrvick> long story short > bridge USB out V- pins to TP2 (GND), bridge V+ pins on USB out to input side of 700ma main polyfuse and add inline diode to prevent all the backfeeding power, remove F1 & F2 polyfuses entirely to isolate power
[17:38] <lrvick> For those that have been messing with such things, thats the recipie. ill post pics etc tomorrow :-P
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[17:46] <Artheist> netman87: it seems my swap is set now, I recompile but it takes ages so I won't know if it works immediately
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[17:47] <netman87> u can activate and deactive swap pretty easily
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[17:48] <netman87> if u add swapfile configures to /etc/fstab to use it always u should also add noatime and nodiratime to /
[17:50] <Artheist> ok, this is not really clear to me right now, but I'll dig into it
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[17:56] <gordonDrogon> starting a kernel compile now ... just going the menuconfig first..
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> here we go :)
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[17:58] <nid0> done any on-device recompiles yet?
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> there is curretly 9MB in swap...
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> nid0, that's what I'm doing now - been x-compiling before.
[17:59] <nid0> should be in the ballpark of 5 hours
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> more out of curiosity really after yesterdays compiles of AMP - I'm now doing the L part :)
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> if 5 hours is typical, I reckon mine will be quicker - less modules and device drivers compiled in - current kernel is only just over 2MB
[18:02] <Arch-MBP> gordonDrogon: 4.8 hours then
[18:02] <Adya> A month ago, there were about 432 people maximum, now 528 is minimal:)
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> Arch-MBP, :)
[18:02] <Adya> Pi becomes more and more popular.
[18:02] <Adya> That's marvellous:)
[18:03] * Adya ;3
[18:03] <netman87> gordonDrogon: can u give .config
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> ok, so a few minutes in, and it's compiling just like the apache/php/mysql - obviously I'm not using -j here... compiler sits at 98.5% for the duration of each file then moves onto the next one. Linking, etc. I imagine will be the tricky part.
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> netman87, wget http://unicorn.drogon.net/config.3.2.21.pi
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[18:06] <gordonDrogon> netman87, that's an almost no-module kernel - the only modules are the i2c, spi and 1-wire gpio. no wi-fi of any sort and some other usb drivers omitted.
[18:07] <netman87> 3.2.21 o.O
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> from bootc
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.21+ #2 PREEMPT Thu Jun 28 15:56:37 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[18:12] <Arch-MBP> i gave on bootc kernel....kernel paniced to much
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[18:13] <gordonDrogon> Hm. not had that once, but I've compiled them myself.
[18:13] <Arch-MBP> err gave up on
[18:14] <Arch-MBP> i would do a simple apt-get update and it would panic
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I had network problems early on, but they were sorted with the smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N and the sysctl one.
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[18:16] <Arch-MBP> and i didnt notice that it was any faster
[18:16] <Arch-MBP> and now moved on to my new toy
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[18:16] <gordonDrogon> have to say; I'm not looking for speed...
[18:16] <netman87> i did also notice some stability problems with 3.2.*
[18:16] <ThomasJ73> Better.. :) [Had to get off that winbox]
[18:16] <netman87> binary kernels
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> have to say I've always compiled kernels... just got into the habit, I guess.
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> old dog, etc.
[18:18] <netman87> i just havent made virtual pc with cross compiler and RasPi is too slow
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> I did the cross compile with the stuff off bootc's site. Seems fine for the kernel.
[18:19] <netman87> gordonDrogon: your config includes any drivers for usb devices?
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[18:20] <gordonDrogon> netman87, yes- some. like HID (keyboard/mouse) and data-keys...
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[18:20] <gordonDrogon> or it should have, I know keyboard & mouse work, but not plugged a usb datakey in for awhile :)
[18:20] <netman87> just minimal set of them?
[18:20] <netman87> or have i something to clean :)
[18:20] <netman87> i think i can just compile kernel again if i need something
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[18:21] <gordonDrogon> minimal.
[18:21] <netman87> cool :)
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> the ftdi /serial driver will be there too
[18:21] <netman87> oh i think i just disable module support and remove module ones
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[18:23] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3890436 Apr 19 08:58 kernel-pi.img
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> vs.
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2282392 Jun 28 15:59 kernel.img
[18:24] <JMNUTS> half size
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> this makes me laugh:
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16344532 Jun 27 09:02 kernel_emergency.img
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> that must be a kernel with *everything* compiled in it!
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[18:30] <Adya> Privet vsem:)
[18:30] <Adya> Oh
[18:31] <Adya> Sorry
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[18:31] <Adya> Wrong tab:)
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[18:34] <gordonDrogon> wish I had a list of the kernel compile orders, so I could work out how far through it was...
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> Actually, I guess I could cross compile it and capture the output... Hm..
[18:34] <phoque> nice, watching SC2 streams on my raspberry pi
[18:35] <phoque> the Twitch.tv-Addon for XBMC works flawlessy
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[18:35] <grindking> lol can the raspberry handle 10bit mkv's?
[18:35] <grindking> someone was asking on another network
[18:36] <phoque> what is a 10bit mkv?
[18:36] <grindking> it's this bizarre fixation on anime rips now
[18:36] <JMNUTS> phoque: your sound is good in HDMI ?
[18:36] <grindking> fairly new
[18:36] <phoque> or a 10Mbit H264?
[18:36] <grindking> better color reproduction
[18:36] <grindking> they're called 10bit afaik
[18:36] <phoque> oh, 10bit colordepth
[18:36] <grindking> yah
[18:36] <grindking> vlc supports it in their nightlies, but i'm not sure the rasp could handle it
[18:36] <grindking> pretty taxing
[18:36] <phoque> try it
[18:37] <phoque> or show me a sample and I will
[18:37] <grindking> i dont think i want to download an anime
[18:37] <grindking> :D
[18:37] <phoque> JMNUTS, usually, yes. why?
[18:37] <grindking> also that person asking can find out if he's interested :D
[18:37] <phoque> JMNUTS, my AV receiver dislikes my monitor thoug so I am using the analog out (wich is bad)
[18:37] <JMNUTS> I tested one version, of XMBC, and audio wasn't right in HDMI, in analog was ok
[18:38] <phoque> hm, strange
[18:38] <steve_rox> mine crashes on vid play i assume to low power issue
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[18:48] <Habstinat> So is there a legal way to buy pak0.pk3 online to play Quake III on my Pi?
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[18:49] <Adya> :)
[18:49] <netman87> gordonDrogon: boot your kernel with cmdline 'init=/bin/bash' and tell how much ram used :D
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[18:49] <Maior> Habstinat: I've wondered this
[18:50] <Adya> Habstinat, easier to download:)
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> netman87, er... ok.
[18:50] <Maior> Habstinat: seems Steam is the way
[18:50] <Maior> Habstinat: I just torrented it as I already own it
[18:50] <Chetic> how do you make debian run 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1' on bootup?
[18:51] <Habstinat> Maior: So if I buy it on my Steam account on my PC, then can I copy the file from steamapps/ over to my Pi?
[18:51] <Maior> Habstinat: I belive so
[18:51] <Maior> +e
[18:51] <netman87> gordonDrogon: if i remember correctly it should work atleast
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[18:52] <JMNUTS> Chetic: I'm not sure but I think you could put that line in one file like /etc/rc.init or something like that
[18:52] <Adya> Make it .sh script
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[18:53] <Adya> Nuts is right:)
[18:53] <Chetic> I wouldn't need to add sudo to the lines, right..?
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[18:54] <Adya> If you command doesn't need root, you don't have to do it.
[18:54] <Adya> To put sudo
[18:54] <netman87> Chetic: u wanna static ip?
[18:54] <Chetic> yeah but if it does I do?
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[18:54] <Chetic> netman87: yes, on bootup
[18:54] <JMNUTS> I think not because the process that executes /etc/rc.init may have have admin rights
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> top says 213368 free.
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[18:55] <Chetic> ah so that's how that works
[18:55] <netman87> why dont u just google how to make it? nano /etc/network/interface
[18:55] <netman87> gordonDrogon: haha pretty cool :)
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> that's on a 224 split kernel.
[18:55] <netman87> pretty good :)
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> 9436 userd (9.4MB)
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> *used
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> free command shows slightly more.
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> if you're doing that yourself, you need to mount /proc to make it work.
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[18:57] <netman87> yeah, it did mount your filesystem and open bash including stuff needed to run bash
[18:57] <netman87> oh so proc isnt mounting automatically?
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[18:58] <gordonDrogon> my kernel compile is 38% through the number of files already.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> netman87, nothing gets mounted if you set init=/bin/bash
[18:58] <NucWin> my build of ct-ng has just hit the 100minutes mark
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> I did a cross-compile & saved the output, then searched for the current file being compiled in it....
[18:59] <netman87> gordonDrogon: ofc it takes /dev/rootfs
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> netman87, that's mounted read-only.
[18:59] <netman87> and kernel can automatically make dev and proc i think
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> the /etc/init.d scripts set those up.
[19:00] <NucWin> wahoo installing final compiler
[19:00] <netman87> oh but kernel can do it too i think
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> can it? news to me, but I don't follow this stuff that closely.
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> personally, I'd prefer it not to, however...
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[19:01] <gordonDrogon> now to put it back the way it was :)
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[19:03] <Artheist> netman87 : thx for the swap tips, it seems to pass the compilation, so far so good ...
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> must be big files if it needs swap - or are you compiled while running X?
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[19:08] <mischief> gordonDrogon: why not distcc
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[19:09] <Artheist> gordonDrogon : I am on vnc :(, compiling pd-extende
[19:09] <Artheist> *extended
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> mischief, distcc for what?
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[19:18] <mischief> gordonDrogon: building your pi stuff
[19:18] <mischief> or whatever really
[19:19] <mischief> handy to have a fat machine laying around with distcc and a few toolchains on it :-)
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> mischief, ah, ok. I see. No - I'm only doing this out of curiosity, not for anything 'serious'. My own 'serious' code takes 85 seconds to compile from scratch on the pi, so it's no big deal, really.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> I've compiled the kernels I've used so-far on my desktop using the cross compiler stuff that bootc documented on his blog site.
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> but I just compiled a kernel on my desktop without the -j to get an idea of the order it compiles in so I can compare to the one running on the Pi...
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> Pi's 58% through the number of files.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> it's fairly cracking on.
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[19:22] <gordonDrogon> not swapping at all.
[19:24] <netman87> drivers/net/usb/usbnet.o
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> CC drivers/usb/storage/protocol.o
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[19:27] <gordonDrogon> on to drivers/video now - I think my Pi's faster than your Pi :)
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> 63% done.
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[19:33] <netman87> i dont have overclocking settings atm
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> a-ha...
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> I suspect those extra 200MHz will be helping here as it's near 100% CPU doing the compiles.
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> 70% now.
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> might be worth stopping it, & rebooting at 800 or 900MHz..
[19:35] <booyaa> is there a quick way to test a webcam? i want to take a snap to prove it's working.
[19:35] <booyaa> it appears in dmesg
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> try the 'cheese' application.
[19:37] <booyaa> ty
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> it needs video4linux though - as dows most webcam stuff now IIRC.
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[19:38] <booyaa> hopefully it'll install that as part of its deps
[19:39] <netman87> gordonDrogon: hmm yes i would do some overclocking and continue compiling
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[19:41] <gordonDrogon> actually, I wondering about disabling the USB too - did I read that the 8K interrupts a second are slowing it down by about a 5th?
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[19:42] <netman87> drivers/net/wireless/b43/main.o
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[19:43] <Gunni> 8k!
[19:43] <netman87> gordonDrogon: can whole usb be compiled as module?
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[19:46] <netman87> gordonDrogon: maybe u can try: apt-get install powertop; powertop
[19:46] <netman87> or maybe it doesnt work on arm so well
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[19:47] <gordonDrogon> netman87, yes - all the individual USB devices, gadgets, etc. can be.
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> I suspect powertop is more for intel hardware..
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> No detailed statistics available; please enable the CONFIG_TIMER_STATS kernel option
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> powertop - program to analyze power consumption on Intel-based laptops
[19:51] <lenz> Guys, someone have tried the mmorpg Auteria? i found it too close to lineage
[19:52] <lenz> good thing for linux )
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[20:18] <gordonDrogon> real 138m43.777s
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> user 126m15.730s
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> sys 7m26.640s
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[20:18] <gordonDrogon> so just over 2 hours to compile the kernel
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> lets try the new kernel :)
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> farewell long uptime: 19:18:20 up 6 days, 11:45, 2 users, load average: 0.18, 0.76, 1.01
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.21 #1 PREEMPT Sun Jul 8 19:13:50 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> booted fine
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> oh well that was boring.
[20:21] <MrZYX> LFS next? :P
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> heh
[20:22] <netman87> gordonDrogon: u didnt compile full kernel :)
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> of-course not! I only compiled what I need...
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2277320 Jul 8 19:18 kernel.img
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[20:22] <netman87> im compiling from rasbian & rpi-update... did copy configs and add some features
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> there are some modules for the i2c. spi and 1-w gpio.
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> this is running under raspbian.
[20:23] <netman87> gordonDrogon: use du -h /boot/kernel.img
[20:23] <netman87> i think its more nice than ls command you are using
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> 2.2M /boot/kernel.img
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> 4.1M /boot/kernel_cutdown.img
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> 5.7M /boot/kernel_debug.img
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> 16M /boot/kernel_emergency.img
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> 2.2M /boot/kernel.img
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> 2.2M /boot/kernel.img.1
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> img.1 is the last one I compiled.
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> I laugh that 'cutdown' is double the size of mine :)
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> as for 'emergency'... why are they even bothering...
[20:26] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: glibc compiled on lfs on the pi
[20:26] <aaa801> xD
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, how long did that take???
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[20:27] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: kept on getting some buffer overflow on one of the generated files, took some tracing down
[20:27] <netman87> well u did pretty nice but precompiled ones should include pretty much mostly used parts/features
[20:27] <aaa801> but a few hours
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[20:27] <netman87> cutdown sure isnt what it should be
[20:27] <fabi_an> hi, i want to connect a 6V lcd to my Pi, how do i best step-up the volage?
[20:28] <aaa801> what does the slot output?
[20:28] <netman87> im recompiling kernel.img with some extra flags so i can do some testing
[20:28] <netman87> after that i compile again with your config + same changes
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[20:37] <gordonDrogon> netman87, sure - if I were distributing a kernel... but I'm not.
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> fabi_an, 6V ??
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> fabi_an, I've connected a 5V one up with no special precautions other than to make sure it doesn't write bac kto the Pi. What kind of display?
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[20:41] <aaa801> lolwut
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[20:43] <Arch-MBP> that build to spec case is awesome
[20:43] <Arch-MBP> i really like the led pipes
[20:44] <aaa801> Let me see this case you speak of
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[20:44] <Arch-MBP> www.build-to-spec.com
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[20:46] <aaa801> Non existant website.
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[20:46] <Arch-MBP> ohh sorry...hold on
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[20:47] <Arch-MBP> http://www.built-to-spec.com/
[20:47] <Arch-MBP> doh...off by 1 letter
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[20:48] <aaa801> Have you seen this? https://www.modmypi.com/shop/
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[20:48] <Arch-MBP> yes
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[20:50] <dmsuse> their case is rubbish
[20:51] <Arch-MBP> which one?
[20:51] <dmsuse> the white one with a 2 week lead time
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[20:52] <dmsuse> hmm they are all the same cases anyway, just different oclours
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[20:52] <dmsuse> *colours
[20:53] <ovim> dmsuse: why is the case rubbish? I ordered a black one a week ago because it was not too expensive. Do you have one and can you share your experiences?
[20:53] <ovim> im waiting for the delivery atm, so I dont know anything about the case itself
[20:54] <dmsuse> well looking at the youtube video of it, there are huge gaps, it doesn't look like it's holding it in very securely and i don't like the look of it either
[20:54] <Arch-MBP> well this case didnt take long to get
[20:54] <dmsuse> if i wanted gaps like that i would print out the cardboard case
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[20:56] <dmsuse> i ain't really looked at any other cases though, so maybe this one is one of the better 1's :P
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[21:05] <netman87> when did i start it
[21:07] <netman87> 16:14 and its now 22:05
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[21:35] <jagginess> hi
[21:36] <jagginess> can raspberry take a simple i386 .deb (no dependencies)
[21:36] <jagginess> ?
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> No.
[21:36] <jagginess> ok
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> It's not 386
[21:36] <jagginess> ok
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[21:36] <Joshun> hi
[21:36] <jagginess> (didnt get my raspberry yet)
[21:36] <SpeedEvil> In principle you may be able to run qemu.
[21:36] <Joshun> how do you go about specifying the rootfs in config.txt?
[21:37] <SpeedEvil> However, this will make it some orders of magnitude slower.
[21:37] <Joshun> i know it would be cmdline root=/dev/...
[21:37] <Joshun> but what drive does the kernel know it as?
[21:37] <netman87> Joshun: there is /boot/cmdline.txt
[21:38] <netman87> what device/partition u wanna boot from?
[21:38] <Joshun> netman87 - i know, but if you had a second partition would it be /dev/sda or /dev/mmc2?
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[21:38] <netman87> memorycard?
[21:38] <Joshun> just normal sd card
[21:38] <Joshun> would it be just /dev/sda2 then?
[21:38] <netman87> no u wanna boot from memorycard?
[21:39] <netman87> . /dev/mmcblk0 <- memorycard
[21:39] <Joshun> no just an sd card from the builtin reader
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[21:39] <netman87> i feel it hard to understand yourself
[21:40] <Joshun> what i'm trying to say is, what does the kernel refer to the sd card as?
[21:40] <Joshun> in the pi's sd slot
[21:40] <netman87> like i said already /dev/mmcblk0
[21:40] <Joshun> so would a second partition be /dev/mmcblk1 then?
[21:41] <netman87> then partitions of it /dev/mmcblk0p1, /dev/mmcblk0p2 and so on
[21:41] <Joshun> ok thanks
[21:41] <netman87> no u did ask for memory card so i did give memorycard name... not partitions from memorycard
[21:41] <Joshun> much more confusing than a normal hard drive, when you can just use /dev/sda...
[21:42] <netman87> not really
[21:42] <Joshun> harder to remember /dev/mmcblk0
[21:42] <Arch-MBP> sd cards and hdd arent different devices
[21:42] <Arch-MBP> err are
[21:42] <netman87> . /dev/sda (harddrive 1) /dev/sdb (harddrive 2)
[21:43] <Joshun> so the initial boot would be done from /dev/mmcblk0p1 then?
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[21:44] <netman87> raspi loads bootcode.bin with gpu then start this and that and read gpu firmware and then load kernel (and check configs?)
[21:44] <netman87> that are readed from fat(16?) partition from memorycard
[21:45] <netman87> dunno if there is anything fun on begin of memorycard (MBR)
[21:45] <Joshun> no
[21:45] <Joshun> just loads firmware straight from card
[21:45] <Joshun> can be either fat32 or 16 i think
[21:46] <netman87> so u are asking about memorycard /dev names but know how bootloader works? :)
[21:46] <Joshun> lol yeah
[21:46] <Joshun> i don't usually use sd cards as my root filesystem
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[21:46] <netman87> but isnt it just easy to use command: mount
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[21:47] <Joshun> how the kernel handles devices is different from the bootloader
[21:47] <Arch-MBP> get used to it....you will always need a sd card to boot the rpi
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[21:48] <Joshun> different systems seem to refer to sd cards different for some weird reason - ubuntu still refers to sd cards as /dev/sdX
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[21:48] <Joshun> although kernel cmdline may be different
[21:48] <netman87> Joshun: bootloader read configs and u can there say name for kernel and initramfs and so on
[21:49] <netman87> and it load kernel from same fat filesystem
[21:49] <Joshun> could you just dump loads of virtual filesystems in a single fat partition then?
[21:49] <Joshun> and set them each as a different rootfs
[21:50] <netman87> hmm well bootloader seems to support only one kernel line per time... but maybe u can change grup image there
[21:50] <Joshun> thats what i mean
[21:51] <Joshun> so could you add:
[21:51] <netman87> btw what is virtual filesystem?
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[21:51] <Joshun> cmdline rootfs=path/to/filesystem
[21:51] <Joshun> a filesystem contained in a single file
[21:51] <netman87> hmm i dont know about that
[21:52] <netman87> hmm i dont know about that
[21:52] <netman87> u just need to test
[21:52] <Joshun> in unix/linux everything is a file
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[21:52] <Joshun> instead of having a command use a real device e.g. /dev/sdX
[21:52] <Joshun> you could just redirect it to a virtual filesystem
[21:52] <netman87> yeah in linux everything is file
[21:53] <Joshun> i'm just wondering how you would specify virtual filesystems in config.txt
[21:53] <Joshun> as the kernel cmdline
[21:53] <netman87> but booting loading ext4 harddrive and file from there to be rootfs
[21:53] <Joshun> could you have the kernel on the sd card and the rootfs on a hard drive then?
[21:54] <Joshun> that would be faster
[21:54] <netman87> yes
[21:54] <netman87> u need SD card only to boot
[21:54] <Joshun> if i had a usb hard disk i would try that
[21:54] <netman87> and kernel will be loaded from fat partition on SD
[21:54] <Joshun> yeah
[21:54] <netman87> and u can pass commandline arguments to kernel
[21:54] <Joshun> it would be
[21:54] <Joshun> cmdline root=/dev/sda
[21:55] <Arch-MBP> ive not had any sucess to get hdd to be used as the rootfs
[21:55] <Joshun> what happened?
[21:55] <netman87> Arch-MBP: cant be hard at all?
[21:55] <Arch-MBP> youd think so
[21:56] <netman87> give me usb memorystick or harddrive and i make it for u
[21:56] <Joshun> couldn't you just use dd to image rootfs from sd card to hard disk
[21:56] <Joshun> and then expand it
[21:56] <Arch-MBP> i rsynched the root to the hd...not only did it take all night to do but it didnt boot right
[21:56] <Joshun> ouch
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[21:56] <Joshun> what kernel options did you pass?
[21:57] <Arch-MBP> i mean it booted but the boot msgs didnt look the same at all
[21:57] <netman87> Arch-MBP: u didnt change fstab? kernel cmdline?
[21:57] <Arch-MBP> netman87: yes
[21:57] <Joshun> wouldn't /etc/fstab just be the same
[21:57] <Joshun> well almost
[21:57] <Joshun> just /dev/sda instead of /dev/mmc...
[21:57] <netman87> also why u didnt just use dd to copy partition(s)
[21:57] <Arch-MBP> i didnt know the commands
[21:58] <Joshun> was one of the partitions mounted on the system?
[21:58] <Joshun> if it was then it would have got corrupted
[21:58] <Arch-MBP> Joshun: using rsync..yes
[21:58] <netman87> Arch-MBP: u wanna give it a try again?
[21:58] <Joshun> i have a 2gb memory stick
[21:58] <Joshun> maybe that would do it
[21:59] <Joshun> but most images are > 2GB
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[22:00] <Joshun> i think memory sticks are cheaper than sd cards anyway
[22:00] <Arch-MBP> there the same
[22:00] <Arch-MBP> netman87: yeah
[22:00] <netman87> boot to read-only rootfs, look where that usb memory goes (dev path), dd if=/dev//dev/mmcblk0p2 of=/dev/usbmemory1, and then mount usbmemory1 and change /etc/fstab / to be mounted from usbmemory1 and and on
[22:01] <netman87> also change cmdline.txt to have rootfs on that device
[22:01] <Joshun> and don't forget to add bs=5M or something
[22:01] <Joshun> otherwise it'll take forver
[22:01] <Joshun> *forever
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[22:02] <netman87> and oh and u can make partitions to usbmemory before that or copy partition to whole device
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[22:03] <Joshun> its a good job your doing this from linux
[22:03] <Joshun> would have so muche extra configuration to do this on windows
[22:03] <netman87> also it maybe possible that u need to compile kernel with build-in usb drivers
[22:04] <Joshun> doesn't the kernel support that already
[22:04] <Joshun> usb drives mount ok
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> I fancy setting up a virtualisation system on a Pi though... I think I could have 2 different debians going at the same time.
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> "er ,3.
[22:04] <Joshun> would be nice
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> maybe even Arch if I fancied it, but I realy don't.
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[22:04] <gordonDrogon> :)
[22:04] <netman87> Joshun: maybe. havent read whole kernel config... but muuuuuuuuuch of modules so
[22:04] <Joshun> but you wuold have to keep it fairly minimal
[22:05] <netman87> my kernel still compiles
[22:05] <Joshun> ^sorry that was meant for gordonDrogon
[22:06] <netman87> i know
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[22:07] <netman87> lol why there is irda and ipv6 on default kernel
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[22:07] <Joshun> no idea
[22:07] <Joshun> i'm sure most routers don't assign ipv6 addresses to lan clients anyway
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[22:08] <netman87> kernels are too bloat
[22:08] <Dagger2> useful for miredo though
[22:08] <Joshun> not even ubuntu has ipv6 loaded
[22:08] <Dagger2> i.e. `apt-get install miredo` and you have a globally-reachable v6 address
[22:08] <Joshun> does it require an ipv6 isp?
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[22:09] <Joshun> because my outbound ip is still v4
[22:09] <Dagger2> no, miredo is a tunnel mechanism
[22:09] <netman87> i feel sleepy
[22:09] <netman87> and my kernel isnt even ready
[22:09] <Dagger2> (i.e. it needs v4 internet access)
[22:09] <netman87> its been already so many hours
[22:10] <Joshun> i gave up compiling kernels ages ago
[22:10] <Joshun> takes forever
[22:10] <Joshun> my machines probably woudn't do cross compiling that well either
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[22:12] <Joshun> i think i may have corrupted the fat32 filesystem
[22:13] <Joshun> it says there is only 40mb left, even though only 34mb is used and it is 121mb in size
[22:13] <Joshun> very mysterious
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[22:14] <aditsu> hi
[22:15] <Joshun> greetings fellow pionater
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[22:15] <aditsu> haven't been here for a while :) I'm trying to make my pi portable, but having some wifi issues
[22:15] <aditsu> rfkill: Cannot open RFKILL control device
[22:15] <Joshun> probably firmware problems
[22:15] <Joshun> what chipset?
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[22:16] <aditsu> hmm.. chipset.. let me try to find out
[22:16] <Joshun> lspci -v is useful
[22:16] <aditsu> is Ralink RT2571 the chipset?
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[22:16] <Joshun> yeah
[22:17] <Joshun> havve you installed firmware-ralink?
[22:17] <aditsu> oh, and I'm trying to use wpa_supplicant, if it matters
[22:17] <Joshun> assuming your using debian
[22:17] <aditsu> nope, I'm on arch, I'll check
[22:18] <Joshun> may be a different package
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[22:18] <Joshun> if you want something easy to use, i'd recommend wicd for connections
[22:19] <Joshun> it has gui and cli frontends
[22:19] <aditsu> search for ralink doesn't find anything
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[22:19] <Joshun> "Ralink RT2571. Working out-of-the-box on Arch image from 2012-04-29."
[22:20] <Joshun> does it connect at all?
[22:20] <Joshun> or is it just problems with rfkill
[22:20] <aditsu> well, wpa_supplicant fails with that error, so it doesn't connect
[22:21] <Joshun> hmmm
[22:21] <Joshun> unless you have misconfigured it
[22:21] <Joshun> you may want to try wicd-curses and see if that works
[22:21] <aditsu> never used wicd, but I can try
[22:22] <Joshun> easier to configure than wpa supplicant etc
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[22:23] <aditsu> with wpa_supplicant I copied the config from my laptop, it's basically 2 lines
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[22:25] <aditsu> btw, a couple of months ago I was asking about using batteries to power the pi; I finally decided to get a portable phone charger that does 1A; it's working well :)
[22:25] <Joshun> btw, do anybody know if it is possible to point the rootfs kernel parameter to a virtual filesystem?
[22:25] <Joshun> aditsu - what one is it, i've been thinking of getting one of those
[22:26] <Joshun> oh
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[22:26] <Joshun> i thought you meant a power supply as in battery
[22:26] <Joshun> like a backup battery independent of mains power
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[22:27] <aditsu> Joshun: yes, as in battery; I'm trying to find a good link for it
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[22:29] <Joshun> aditsu - also, the package you need for wicd is simply just 'wicd' - it is not split over separate packages like in debian
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[22:29] <aditsu> Joshun: heh, only Chinese pages.. here's one: http://www.apezgo.com/go/mall/ProdView?method=preload&p_id=112951&c_id=14454&s_id=6&c1_id=14454&c2_id=&c3_id=
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[22:30] <Joshun> lol can't read chinese but know somebody who might
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[22:30] <Joshun> translating somewhat works
[22:30] <aditsu> Joshun: you can still see the pics and specs
[22:30] <Joshun> what price is it?
[22:31] <Joshun> supplies like that i've seen have cost more than the pi itself
[22:31] <aditsu> Joshun: I paid HK$350, do you want it in another currency?
[22:31] <aditsu> yeah, a bit more than the pi
[22:32] <Joshun> i'm in england myself
[22:32] <aditsu> almost 30 quid then
[22:32] <Joshun> not bad
[22:32] <dutchfish> hi, can some one explain why, when i install fldigi (debian/wheezy) from the repo it crashes (i have strace logs), but when i dget -x the source and compile it on the raspi with dpkg-buildpackege -b, then install it, it works fine. Am i missing something?
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[22:33] <aditsu> it would probably cost more over there
[22:33] <Joshun> dutchfish - maybe dpkg causes the pi to run out of memory or crashes the cpu - it is rather cpu intensive
[22:34] <Joshun> aditsu - are you actually in China then? how was delivery over there
[22:34] <dutchfish> Joshun, nope? because i installed the one which i compiled myself the same way, dpkg --install fldigi-{version}.deb
[22:34] <aditsu> Joshun: HK, not exactly China but pretty close; the pi came from Singapore
[22:35] <dutchfish> Joshun, no errors in the the install logs both way.
[22:35] <Joshun> does it lock the pi up completely?
[22:36] <dutchfish> Joshun, but when i run them, the one from the repo crashes, the one i build on the raspi, works fine. Can this have something to do with the abi?
[22:36] <dutchfish> Joshun, no it doesnt lock up the pi at all
[22:36] <Joshun> what do you mean by crashes? does it just suddenly exit
[22:36] <dutchfish> yes
[22:37] <dutchfish> Joshun, it even does not display a screen/widget on boot, it just crashes before
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[22:37] <dutchfish> i could pastebin the strace log if wanted?
[22:37] <Joshun> is this when dpkg actually extracts it
[22:37] <Joshun> or apt downloading it
[22:38] <Joshun> yeah that would be useful
[22:38] <dutchfish> Joshun, again, install goes fine. Executing it not.
[22:38] <dutchfish> ok, a sec
[22:38] <Joshun> it may have been compiled with different options
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[22:41] <aditsu> hmm.. has the class 10 issue been solved? I see many such cards listed as working
[22:42] <aditsu> I wanted to buy a class 6 but apparently they don't exist anymore
[22:42] <swattor> aditsu: i haven't had any problems with my class 10
[22:42] <Arch-MBP> what class 10 issues?
[22:42] <Arch-MBP> yeah me either
[22:42] <Joshun> class 10 cards cost more than the pi itself :P
[22:42] <Arch-MBP> and class 4's are like less than 5$
[22:42] <swattor> i've read about the issues
[22:43] <aditsu> multiple people reported they couldn't boot from class 10 cards
[22:43] <swattor> i bought a 32 gig class 10 for ??9.99
[22:43] <Joshun> where?
[22:43] <swattor> sandisk, works fine
[22:43] <Arch-MBP> i have 2 class 10 trendmicro's...both work
[22:43] <aditsu> Joshun: no, they're all dirt cheap nowadays
[22:43] <aditsu> at least in HK :p
[22:43] <Joshun> depends where you live/where you buy them from
[22:44] <Joshun> swattor - btw, where did you buy it - online or in a normal shop
[22:44] <swattor> Joshun: online, just finding the link
[22:44] <Arch-MBP> i bought from amazon
[22:44] <aditsu> also depends on capacity, 64GB are still expensive 8^)
[22:44] <Joshun> haven't seen tham that cheap on amazon
[22:44] <Arch-MBP> yeah anything beyond 16 gigs is a little over kill
[22:44] <Joshun> uk or us?
[22:44] <swattor> http://www.mymemory.co.uk/
[22:44] <swattor> Joshun: UK
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, sorry - been afk... I've used LXC virtualisation before. actually I have a few 100 LXC instances running in my hosted servers...
[22:45] <Joshun> swattor - what do you actually select for that card - the site is very device-centred
[22:45] <Joshun> but good pricea
[22:45] <Joshun> *prices
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, I think it would work OK on the Pi - the issue is just how much you run in each instance - and the size of the SD card!
[22:46] <dutchfish> Joshun, it is too big too pastebin, dugh, any suggestions?
[22:46] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - great idea, just wondering how fast it would run
[22:46] <Joshun> dutchfish - upload it here
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[22:46] <swattor> http://www.mymemory.co.uk/SDHC/SanDisk/Sandisk-32GB-Ultra-30MB_s-SD-Card-%28SDHC%29---Class-10
[22:46] <swattor> think they must've bumped back up
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, LXC is a 100% speed virtualisation system - there is only one kernel...
[22:46] <swattor> if you keep an eye on hotukdeals.com - they always have sd and ssd offers on there
[22:47] <Joshun> cool
[22:47] <Arch-MBP> an 8 gig is overkill.i have like 5 gigs left over
[22:47] <dutchfish> Joshun, what do you mean be here?
[22:47] <Joshun> they're often overpriced in alot of shops
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, the slowdoens will come from running out of memory for everything to run in... so 3 headless instances would be fine, but not 3 kernel compiles ;-)
[22:47] <Joshun> dutchfish - right click on my nick in the user list, select upload file
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[22:48] <dutchfish> Joshun, ok, i am on irssi, so dcc upload to file to your nick?
[22:48] <hamitron> think I should take it personally, chanserv de-voices me? :/
[22:48] <Joshun> dutchfish - yeah try that
[22:48] <dutchfish> ok, a sec
[22:48] <Joshun> hamitron - its always glitchy
[22:48] <Arch-MBP> hamitron: yeah im not sure what the reason for that is
[22:48] <Joshun> as long as PiBot works ok
[22:49] <hamitron> PiBot voices me, than chanserv takes it away
[22:49] <hamitron> :D
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[22:49] <hamitron> loved by some, hated by others
[22:49] <hamitron> :/
[22:49] <Arch-MBP> plus i dont see why it bothers since this channel isnt moderated
[22:49] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - wouldn't it be more efficient to just chroot into different partitions
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[22:51] <Joshun> dutchfish - please could you do it again - it went weird
[22:51] <aditsu> Joshun: ok, finally running wicd-curses now, it says no wireless networks found
[22:51] <dutchfish> Joshun, sure, a sec
[22:51] <Joshun> maybe it doesn't support uploads
[22:52] <aditsu> oh and it crashed
[22:52] <Joshun> aditsu - maybe it requires extra firmware. i'm not sure what arch package it needs, i'll try and search for it
[22:53] <aditsu> with a dbus failure
[22:53] <Joshun> have you tried debian?
[22:53] <Joshun> arch does tend to break more often
[22:53] <aditsu> heh
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[22:53] <aditsu> haven't tried debian, not gonna do that just for the wifi
[22:54] <Joshun> no idea why it doesn't upload files
[22:54] <Joshun> dutchfish - maybe try 2shared.com
[22:54] <Joshun> aditsu - what wireless device/product are you using specifically
[22:55] <dutchfish> Joshun, i try passive mode again, if not i zip and mail it.
[22:56] <Joshun> i'm using xchat btw
[22:56] <Joshun> should be the same though
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[22:56] <Joshun> it connects but doesn't transfer any data
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[22:57] <dutchfish> Joshun, ok
[22:57] <Joshun> i don't even know if freenode supports file sharing
[22:57] <aditsu> Joshun: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0b05:1706 ASUSTek Computer, Inc. WL-167G v1 802.11g Adapter [Ralink RT2571]
[22:57] <dutchfish> Joshun, yeh, i did this before
[22:57] <Joshun> aditsu - what ASUS computer is it?
[22:58] <dutchfish> Joshun, anyway, could i mail it? (after zipping)
[22:58] <Joshun> yeah sure
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[22:58] <aditsu> Joshun: computer? no, it's a wireless adapter
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[22:58] <Joshun> oh sorry
[22:59] <Joshun> what model does it say on the packaging etc
[22:59] <aditsu> Joshun: packaging was discarded a few years ago, but I'm pretty sure it said ASUS WL-167G
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[23:00] <Joshun> if you can't sort it in arch, i'd recommend getting a very small raspbian/debian image to try it out
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[23:00] <Joshun> aditsu - try this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=57253
[23:01] <bstag> http://wiki.debian.org/rt2500usb/
[23:01] <Joshun> its arch btw
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[23:01] <Joshun> aditsu - packge is rt2x00-rt71w-fw i think
[23:01] <bstag> everyone has thier falts
[23:01] <Arch-MBP> heh
[23:01] <hamitron> liek spelling?
[23:01] <hamitron> and typo
[23:01] <hamitron> :/
[23:02] <bstag> yeah not exaclty typing up my masters thesis here
[23:02] <aditsu> Joshun: that package doesn't seem to exist; I read that many firmwares come with the linux-firmware package (already installed)
[23:02] <SpeedEvil> bstag: What in?
[23:03] <Joshun> aditsu - what about linux-firmware-nonfree
[23:03] <fakker> SpeedEvil, in IRC
[23:03] <fakker> duh
[23:03] <bstag> lol
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[23:03] <fakker> right?!
[23:03] <aditsu> Joshun: can't find that
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, LXC is almost like a "super" chroot - although it's handled at the kernel level.
[23:04] <Joshun> aditsu - are there any packages beginning with rt2x00
[23:04] <aditsu> Joshun: nope, nothing with rt2
[23:05] <aditsu> Joshun: this suggests it went into linux-firmware: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:2011.08.19
[23:05] <Joshun> aditsu - do you have all repositories enabled
[23:05] <Joshun> i use debian and ubuntu mainly, don't know as much about arch
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[23:06] <aditsu> Joshun: I think I do
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[23:07] <aditsu> I use gentoo mainly, don't know as much about arch either, but even less about other distros :p
[23:07] <DJVG> Hi all, somebody and expierince with the i2c function on the RPi? I have loaded the i2c-dev module but I can't register the bus: tmp102 0-0048: error reading config register and tmp102: probe of 0-0048 failed with error -5
[23:07] <Joshun> how can there be 43mb of free space in a 142 mb filesystem with no files in it ? :-:
[23:07] <DJVG> tThis command: echo tmp102 0x48 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/new_device
[23:08] <aditsu> Joshun: but what if it's NOT a firmware problem?
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, sure you're reading the right thing?
[23:08] <aditsu> Joshun: I already get the wlan0 interface
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[23:09] <Joshun> aditsu - not really sure what else it could be. do you have enough power, and a recent kernel?
[23:10] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - no idea, df -h shows the same. maybe fat32 uses extra space somehow
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[23:10] <Joshun> i'll try fat16 instead
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> is this for /boot ?
[23:10] <Joshun> yeah
[23:11] <Joshun> i'm trying to dual boot openelec with debian
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> it's 56MB on my wheezy system.
[23:11] <Joshun> i've resized it
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> slightly bigger on raspbian.
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> I've no ideas about resizing vfat partitions.
[23:12] <Joshun> i wish vfat was deprecated in favour of ext
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> feel free to offer your services to Broadcom to write an ext driver for the GPU ...
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> then change the ROMs in all those devices out there....
[23:12] <aditsu> Joshun: yes for both (well, 3.1.9 kernel is recent-ish), but oh, this suggests it's a kernel option: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3101
[23:13] <Joshun> lol - would they even though wat ext was :P
[23:13] <Joshun> i think fat filesystems even need licencing in some devies
[23:13] <Joshun> *devices
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> can't you simple boot a different partition with the same kernel with changing the root= in cmdline.txt ?
[23:14] <Joshun> well openelec just uses a kernel and a squashfs filesystem
[23:14] <Joshun> the squashfs filesystem is also in the fat partition
[23:14] <Joshun> i think the kernel is configured to load it
[23:15] <Joshun> ah - the partition was fat16 - fat32 seems to work better
[23:15] <Joshun> without running out of space
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, eek. sounds ghastly.
[23:16] <aditsu> hmm, how to build a kernel for the pi?
[23:17] <nid0> there're a few guides about
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> aditsu, search through http://www.bootc.net/
[23:17] <nid0> i've written one thats up on elinux, its aimed at adding iscsi support but you can make any changes to the config you need
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[23:18] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - dual booting seems to have worked despite an unknown filesystem error
[23:18] <SIFTU> nid0: how does iscsi perform on the pi?
[23:18] <aditsu> nid0: ah the elinux one looks good, thanks
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[23:19] <nid0> SIFTU: just fine, i've mainly been using it for network booting from an iscsi target on my nas which is flawless, but the pi can also work fine as a target using tgtd
[23:19] <Joshun> oh - just the kernel loads. i need to find a way of telling the kernel to load a squashfs filesystem
[23:19] <SIFTU> nid0: nice
[23:20] <aditsu> I like that it has parts for different distros
[23:20] <nid0> SIFTU: http://elinux.org/RPi_iSCSI_Initiator - I wrote it for squeeze, there should be no major differences with the wheezy image though
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[23:21] <SIFTU> nid0: I'm running raspbian, but would be no difference I guess
[23:21] <nid0> shouldnt be
[23:21] <Joshun> other than the architecture of course
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[23:22] <aaa801> BLARGGG
[23:22] <aaa801> http://pastie.org/4222309
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[23:22] <gordonDrogon> bed time...
[23:22] <dutchfish> Joshun, i have msg'ed some more to copy paste.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> zzz
[23:23] <aaa801> no bed for u gordonDrogon :<
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[23:23] <aditsu> ugh, why does git take forever?
[23:23] <Joshun> anybody know if linux can boot a virtual filesystem using the root= parameter>
[23:23] <aaa801> Because its horrible..
[23:23] <aditsu> wonder if I can download a tarball or something
[23:23] <dutchfish> Joshun, yes, kvm and xen can
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[23:24] <Joshun> on the pi
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[23:25] <dutchfish> Joshun, maybe you can schroot, but xen and kvm are out of the question (mem)
[23:25] <Joshun> unless i extract the filesystem to a partition
[23:25] <dutchfish> mmm...
[23:25] <Joshun> its squashfs
[23:26] <dutchfish> Joshun, i have to delve into it, it should theoritically be possible
[23:26] <aditsu> oh yeah, 1.6MB/s :)
[23:26] <dutchfish> Joshun, delve into casper
[23:26] <Joshun> i could just do it with plain dd
[23:26] <Joshun> create an emty partition end of disk
[23:26] <dutchfish> Joshun, you could squashfs/nfs over the network
[23:27] <Joshun> needs to be reasonable speed though
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[23:27] <dutchfish> Joshun, squashfs/nfs over eth tops at 12 MB/sec at 100mbit card
[23:28] <Joshun> would rather not have to have an additional server
[23:28] <Joshun> not portable for one thing
[23:28] <dutchfish> Joshun, but since eth on the raspi runs over usb, this might be costly
[23:28] <dutchfish> ok
[23:31] <aditsu> ugh, the default kernel config is horrid
[23:32] <Joshun> aditsu - are you cross compiling or compiling on the pi itself? compiling on the pi takes ages
[23:32] <aditsu> Joshun: going to cross-compile
[23:33] <dutchfish> Joshun, maybe you get get away with LXC
[23:33] <dutchfish> Joshun, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXC
[23:33] <Joshun> may be easier to just create another partition
[23:34] <Joshun> silly gparted keeps throwing errors
[23:35] <dutchfish> mmm
[23:35] <Joshun> whats the best cmdline alternative
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[23:36] <dutchfish> Joshun, you mean as a console or shell?
[23:36] <Joshun> either
[23:37] <dutchfish> dash
[23:37] <dutchfish> its fast and small
[23:37] <dutchfish> or fish
[23:37] <dutchfish> i use dash for compiling stuff
[23:38] <Joshun> as in alternative to gparted
[23:38] <dutchfish> parted
[23:38] <aaa801> fdisk..
[23:38] <Joshun> can it resize
[23:38] <dutchfish> parted can
[23:38] <dutchfish> dunno about fdisk
[23:39] <dutchfish> and growing is not the same as shrinking
[23:39] <Joshun> well parted is based on libparted anyway i think
[23:39] <Joshun> so it would probably throw the same errors
[23:39] <dutchfish> it can bite you on FS level (shrinking)
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[23:39] <dutchfish> yes
[23:40] <dutchfish> i have the funny idee that there is something wrong with the ABI
[23:40] <DJVG> Anyone with some i2c bus expierince here?
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[23:41] <Joshun> gparted is great for linux filesystems
[23:41] <Joshun> but not as good for fat
[23:41] <aaa801> Wait
[23:42] <aaa801> what exactly are you trying to do?
[23:42] <Joshun> who
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[23:42] <aaa801> Whoevers having issues with gparted
[23:43] <Joshun> well i was originally going to resize a partition
[23:43] <Joshun> but its been easier just to delete and recreate it instead
[23:43] <aaa801> i didnt have many issues resizing my ext4 partition =/
[23:44] <Joshun> yeah its fat partitions
[23:44] <Joshun> ext partitions usually work flawlessley
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[23:44] <dutchfish> Joshun, are you trying to resize, fat /boot for the raspi?
[23:44] <Joshun> yes
[23:44] <dutchfish> Joshun, on recreate you have to mark it as bootable
[23:44] <Joshun> is that 'lba'
[23:45] <dutchfish> ?
[23:45] <dutchfish> it is just vfat
[23:45] <Joshun> yes
[23:46] <dutchfish> i am patient ;) did the mail arrive?
[23:46] <dutchfish> oops wrong channel
[23:46] <Joshun> dutchfish - was that for me
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[23:48] * PiBot sets mode +v ebarch
[23:49] * aykut_ (~aykut@unaffiliated/aykut) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:49] * MauveGnome (~MauveGnom@host-2-101-26-106.as13285.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:49] * PiBot sets mode +v aykut_
[23:50] * aykut (~aykut@unaffiliated/aykut) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[23:50] * iccanobif (iccanobif@host39-148-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit ()
[23:52] * Sakyl (~Sakyl@95-91-161-94-dynip.superkabel.de) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[23:57] * Meatballs is now known as Meatballs|Away
[23:57] <WASDx> Is QtonPi just some distro to run Qt-apps or what?
[23:58] * dutchfish (~wil@unaffiliated/dutchfish) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:58] * BCMM (~ben@unaffiliated/bcmm) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:58] * ebarch (~ebarch@198-101-198-118.static.cloud-ips.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[23:59] * dutchfish (~wil@unaffiliated/dutchfish) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:59] * PiBot sets mode +v dutchfish
[23:59] * ebarch (~ebarch@198-101-198-118.static.cloud-ips.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:59] * PiBot sets mode +v ebarch

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