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IRC Log for 2012-07-09

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[0:02] <aditsu> ok, reboot --fingers-crossed :)
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[0:04] * aaa801 uses physic powers to make aditsu's pi crash
[0:04] <aditsu> aaa801: if you believe in telekinesis, then raise my hand
[0:05] <aaa801> I just have the power to crash your pi :(
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[0:05] <aditsu> aaa801: I think you failed :)
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[0:08] <aditsu> ok, kernel worked (is 3.1.9 the latest for the pi??) but no wifi interface now.. driver must be missing
[0:09] <aditsu> oh wait, it's not seeing the adapter at all
[0:09] <NucWin> noooooo xbmc failed to build from PKGBUILD
[0:10] <SpeedEvil> Is it plugged directly into the pi?
[0:11] <aditsu> I replugged it, works now, waiting to see what wpa_supplicant is doing
[0:12] <dlynes> so i guess that's what the jtag interface on the pi would be useful for? when you install a new kernel that won't boot up?
[0:12] <SpeedEvil> If it's plugged into the Pi, it will never work
[0:13] <SpeedEvil> you need a powered hub
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[0:17] <aditsu> SpeedEvil: huh? was that for me? why?
[0:18] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: Because all wifi dongles draw too much power for using without a powered hub. They will at best disconnect for no good reason.
[0:19] <SpeedEvil> And in general, not work at all, even for recieving.
[0:19] <Maior> woe
[0:19] <aditsu> I used it successfully in the past (on a computer)
[0:20] <reider59> My dongle has worked direct in the USB port from day one, no disconnect.. Several other people use the same one, the same way.
[0:20] <reider59> Edimax 7811Un
[0:21] <reider59> I specifically needed one that did that, for when it goes on a scutter
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[0:21] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: Pi is not a computer.
[0:21] <chaoshax> It is
[0:21] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: It's got _much_ more limited power on USB ports. It is adequate for some keyboards and mice. That's about it.
[0:22] <Arch-MBP> its advertized as a computer
[0:22] <aditsu> SpeedEvil: it sounded like a general statement; anyway, I think it must have enough power for a dongle
[0:22] <SpeedEvil> I mean it's not a PC
[0:22] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: Based on what?
[0:22] <SpeedEvil> The polyfuses are rated at 140mA trip current.
[0:22] <SpeedEvil> Most wifi usb sticks draw 300-500mA
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> Usually 200 even in receive mode, with the radio on.
[0:23] <reider59> I have plugged in the Edimax WiFi dongle, unpowered hub in the spare connector, a BT adaptor for the keyboard/mouse and another BT Adaptor to connect to and network a picture frame with Linux on it.
[0:23] <aditsu> SpeedEvil: based on the fact that it has enough power for a mouse + keyboard + usb drive (+ ethernet if it counts), I think a dongle doesn't use more than all of them together
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: the USB sockets each have one seperate fuse to limit the power
[0:23] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: this is not the whole amount of power the device draws.
[0:24] <Gunni> hey guys, i can't seem to be able to start my rpi, i get a red power light fine but nothing else happens
[0:24] <Gunni> with or without the card
[0:24] <chaoshax> Sd card nit setup right
[0:24] <chaoshax> Not*
[0:24] <aditsu> SpeedEvil: and now also based on what reider59 said :)
[0:24] <chaoshax> Or unreadable by the pi
[0:24] <Gunni> all i changed was swapping out the start.elf with another of the ram split files
[0:25] <chaoshax> What class is it?
[0:25] <Gunni> 6
[0:25] <Gunni> it used to work
[0:25] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: The above is based on measurements of about 5 wifi cards power consumption. It's possible an extremely low power cosumption card may work, if you can find one.
[0:25] <SpeedEvil> In addition, the fuses will have a higher trip point when they are untripped.
[0:25] <Gunni> i replaced start.elf with arm224_start.elf
[0:26] <chaoshax> What does xbee draw?
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> In short - wifi is going to be at best extremely unreliable and variable if you don't use a powered hub.
[0:26] <Gunni> hm i might have found out what it was
[0:26] <Gunni> start.elf was 1 kib, for some reason
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> reider59: what model of wifi dongle?
[0:27] <aditsu> anyway, I'm currently getting this kind of errors: phy0 -> rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x06 failed for offset 0x0422 with error -71.
[0:27] <reider59> Power is an issue but mine are low powered. some people are getting around the problems by shorting out the fuses. Not something I wish to do and so far I`ve had no need. Some folk are panicing about the restrictions but used sensibly with components which draw little power then less of a problem presents itself. No way on this earth can it be said "no dongle will work direct"
[0:27] <Gunni> omg it worked !
[0:27] <Gunni> yay
[0:27] <reider59> Already said Edimax 7811 Un
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[0:27] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: Problems like that are often due to the power dipping when lots of current is drawn when the driver tries to turn on the wifi device.
[0:28] <SpeedEvil> reider59: Diddn't see the 7811
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[0:28] <SpeedEvil> reider59: can you pastebin the /proc/bus/usb/devices about it?
[0:28] <SpeedEvil> - this'll say what its specified current draw is.
[0:29] <reider59> I haven`t got any way to use a powered hub when the whole caboodle goes on a motorised scutter with the robot arm, Pi, Arduino, cam etc
[0:29] <reider59> So I picked that one on purpose
[0:30] <Gunni> ty for the help peeps
[0:30] <reider59> Some details about it in here from the guy who wrote the script.....http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256
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[0:31] <aditsu> hm.. if the dongle won't work, then plan B: would it be possible to set up a network connection between a pi and an android phone using a usb cable?
[0:32] <reider59> I have a network between the Pi and my Linux Pic Frame that works on a USB network, eventually going on a BT Network.
[0:32] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: Any reason you can't use a powered hub? But can you do that with a normal PC?
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[0:33] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it, it needs additional software on the android side
[0:33] <aditsu> SpeedEvil: I want to make it portable; don't know if I can power the hub too without a separate power source
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> you can plug the pi into the output of the powerd hub
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> (in most cases)
[0:34] <aditsu> can 1A feed both?
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> Bluetooth adators are low power, and will generally work.
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> Yes
[0:34] <aditsu> I'll need to buy a powered hub then..
[0:35] <aditsu> or wait, could I use a normal hub connected to the power source?
[0:36] <chaoshax> Where do you want to use it? Is this for a project?
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> lsusb -v |awk '/MaxPower/;/id[VP]/'
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> this will list the maximum power of devices
[0:36] <aditsu> I'm guessing not, as the pi would have to be connected both ways..
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> idVendor 0x0d3d Tangtop Technology Co., Ltd
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> idProduct 0x0001 HID Keyboard
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> MaxPower 100mA
[0:36] <SpeedEvil> For example is my keyboard
[0:37] <SpeedEvil> If it's >100mA - it may not work with the Pi
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[0:37] <aditsu> the dongle says 300mA
[0:38] <chaoshax> Why are the fuses so low' is it so they can get away with using a small regulator?
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[0:38] <SpeedEvil> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Edimax_EW-7811Un says the stated max power is 500mA
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> So it is unfortunately not at least advertising that it's low power.
[0:39] <Gunni> has anyone invented a poor man's ups for the rpi?
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> Various modes may use lower powers that may in some cases work.
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> Gunni: In general, by a 'USB battery'
[0:40] <reider59> It works and no shorted fuses
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> reider59: I'm not saying it doesn't - just it's way out of spec for the quoted current draw.
[0:40] <Gunni> SpeedEvil, is it continous use?
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> You may be using it in a mode which happens to be low power - or it may overdeclare its power needs.
[0:40] <Gunni> as in stay on when plugged in and no switch between battery and ac power?
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> Gunni: Hmm
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> Gunni: Unsure if any will actually do that.
[0:41] <Gunni> as in like a ups
[0:41] <reider59> If it was that close or that far over I seriously doubt the other port and/or an unpowered hub would be usable
[0:41] * aaa801 throws a double edged fish at Gunni
[0:42] <aditsu> Gunni: I think a portable charger (like the one I have) can work like a ups (when connected to AC)
[0:43] <aditsu> SpeedEvil: oh, just noticed your bluetooth comment.. hm, maybe I should try that
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> Or one of the Edimax dongles may work for you.
[0:43] <Gunni> hmm
[0:43] <Gunni> can you link it?
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[0:45] <SpeedEvil> reider59: In your situation
[0:45] <aditsu> yeah but I'd have to find it and buy it; a bluetooth dongle is something I already have
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[0:45] <SpeedEvil> reider59: What it draws in your usecase, and the max may differ. (or it may not)
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[0:46] <reider59> It`s one of those "green" models so it may be low power. It`s fast though, even faster since th emove to Wheezy
[0:47] * SpeedEvil hates people that don't actually measure the power consumption of the device they make, but just add 500mA as a maxpower randomly.
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[0:48] <reider59> they get away with "up to"
[0:48] <aditsu> at least they [probably] don't underestimate it
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
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[0:49] <Maior> "may contain nuts"
[0:49] <aditsu> hmm, last time I used it, bluetooth was a pain; I wonder if it's gotten any better
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[0:50] <reider59> classic that one "may contain nuts"...."may make you seriously ill"
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[0:51] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: naah.
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> aditsu: Worse.
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> Now it depends on dbus.
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> On a related topic - AP mode wireless in linux - anyone done on Pi?
[0:51] <reider59> I ust plugged in my Rii BT mini keyboard/touchpad and it worked, same with the pounshop BT adaptor to match up to the pic frame (now that is drawing power from the Pi on USB-I use the USB to bnetwork it).
[0:52] <reider59> *just
[0:52] <reider59> but I read today someone was having a problem getting BT going, may just be an unlucky driver problem
[0:52] <SpeedEvil> reider59: I hate recommending solutions that are specified not to work, even though they seem to in reality. :/
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[0:53] <reider59> That`s why I stuck to that forum and read every page over and over before getting the device
[0:53] <reider59> People who actually use one on a daily basis in many different setups
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[0:55] <reider59> I don`t want to move the robot arm software from Windows to Linux (manually programmed instead of a built commercial program) only to find I still need a power cable trailing along the floor.
[0:56] <reider59> The idea is to see it on cam via a VNC window and opearte it from another room inc the scutter movement and the robot arm
[0:56] <reider59> *operate.....dyslexic keyboard and owner sat in the dark lol
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[0:58] * SpeedEvil has his keyboard under the blanket.
[0:59] <reider59> I want one of those virtual laser keyboards but far too expensive at the moment
[0:59] <SpeedEvil> They're crap.
[0:59] <SpeedEvil> The roll-up 5 quid silicone ones are better if you want a portable keyboard.
[0:59] <reider59> prolly are but the geek in me wants to play lol
[1:00] <Pickley> and that would explain why it isn't working...
[1:00] <Pickley> battery exploded :D
[1:00] <reider59> no, not half the fun. happy with my Rii for now and play with the laser pointer to wind the dog up too
[1:01] * Gunni got a minecraft server running on the rpi ;D
[1:01] <Gunni> not exactly playable though
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[1:02] <reider59> I cheated with the Rii yesterday, needed to type in a long program so I just used FTP to send the whole thing to the Pi. After pasting it into Notepad 100. Had people coming and no time to type it all in.
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[1:05] <cjbaird> Has there been anything done to impliment a Wiggler-style JTAG interface with the GPIO pins?
[1:06] <chaoshax> Reider59, you do know about ssh right?
[1:07] <reider59> I should hope so, use it all the time. But I just FTP`d the finished file, opened it and all was done
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[1:08] <reider59> I just ordered 2 connectors and cables for the GPIO pins. I`ll close the connectors on the cables in a vice like Gert showed. Got them from Tandy.
[1:10] <NucWin> i had noticed the tandy website but after google street viewing the address i decided not to order lol
[1:10] <reider59> Keep one end open and split the cables to connect to the breadboard
[1:11] <reider59> where is it? Ab ack street some place?
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[1:12] <NucWin> well website has a photo of a tandy shop
[1:12] <NucWin> but the address is just some random house in oxford
[1:12] <ReggieUK> have you seen the stock list?
[1:12] <ReggieUK> I'm surprised it's not a bedsit
[1:12] <NucWin> hehe
[1:13] <NucWin> does have nice little bits of stuff a good prices tbh
[1:13] <reider59> Possibly because most if not all of th eshops closed in the UK. It may be someone ordering from the US some limited stock
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[1:13] <NucWin> if he really is trying to bring tandy back i say good luck to him
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[1:14] <reider59> I doubt it, just limited access. I signed up for the newletter so I`ll keep an eye on it. Order was less than ??4 and the banks will soon shut it down if theres any problems
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[1:21] <NucWin> if you remember plz send me a pm when your stuff arrive so know its good ;)
[1:21] <NucWin> my bouncer is always on here :)
[1:22] <reider59> will do, best if you remind me about Thursday. My meds mean I forget stuff but prompt me and I`ll know.
[1:22] <reider59> Should be here by then
[1:22] <NucWin> i might remember i see you talking often ;)
[1:23] <reider59> << wrote a note out
[1:24] <NucWin> i want to order some ic's some point soon
[1:24] <NucWin> need some darlington thingies and wouldnt mind a pic or two
[1:24] <reider59> Check out this post.... http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=8322
[1:25] <NucWin> seems the next step in my learning to swim in the deep end
[1:25] <reider59> That`s where I found the link
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[1:25] <NucWin> think its been mentioned before in the forums sure thats where i found out about it
[1:27] <NucWin> just search the forum and maybe i didnt
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[1:29] <aditsu> hm.. android bluetooth tethering.. anybody knows how to do that?
[1:30] <NucWin> ive not used bluetooth teathering since my P910i
[1:30] <reider59> Trading name for ADSL National, Oxford
[1:30] <NucWin> i use to dial *#99***1* or something
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[1:31] <NucWin> using standard modem drivers point to bluetooth modem
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[1:32] <aditsu> oh I found an app
[1:32] <NucWin> checked the permissions?
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[1:33] <NucWin> phone state and identity?
[1:33] <aditsu> well, most apps nowadays require ownership of your first born anyway :p
[1:34] <NucWin> yes i try to avoid them
[1:34] <NucWin> advantage of android
[1:34] <NucWin> you dont have to trust apple
[1:34] <aditsu> let me reinstall to check
[1:34] <NucWin> or pray if on microsoft
[1:35] <aditsu> hm,. it doesn't mention phone state and identity, but it has stuff like modify global system settings and retrieve running applications
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[1:54] <WASDx> Is QtonPi just some distro to run Qt-apps or what?
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[2:52] <aditsu> lol, http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/bluetooth-dun-linux-ruined-my-life
[2:53] <aditsu> ahahaha, haha, ha, hm... mmm... sob T_T
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[2:57] <NucWin> lol
[2:57] <NucWin> i could write something similar
[2:57] <NucWin> i have maids
[2:57] <NucWin> mobile and internet dependancy syndrome
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[3:04] <Arch-MBP> wow....if i was going to jump to another OS like that i would have gone wih the VM route
[3:04] * PiBot sets mode +v Habstinat
[3:06] <Habstinat> Has anyone had any luck running Quake III with Arch Linux? I have pak0.pk3 but when I try to run start.sh, it can't seem to find "libbcm_host.so". Any ideas?
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[3:08] <Juksen> hi
[3:08] <Arch-MBP> hi
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[3:19] <RITRedbeard> lol
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[3:24] <aditsu> frickin' ppp... can't get this thing to work
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[4:04] <Pickley> Nearly have WiFi going now Arch-Cloud
[4:04] <Pickley> :D
[4:05] <Arch-MBP> lol bout time
[4:05] <Pickley> nearly...
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[4:07] <ScottMan> heyo
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[4:10] <Pickley> hi
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[4:20] <aditsu> damn stupid bluetooth.. that's why I wanted wifi instead.. oh well, I should get some sleep
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[5:02] <Pickley> haha, got wifi kinda working...
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[5:03] <Pickley> oh I give up for now haha
[5:03] <Arch-MBP> lol
[5:04] <Pickley> Arch-MBP: it sometimes connects.
[5:04] <Pickley> sometimes not.
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[5:55] * wkl_mac is now known as wkl
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[6:06] <metal90> Hello.
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[6:34] <Pickley> well thats one way to kill a Pi??? lol
[6:34] <Pickley> torrents
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[7:27] <mischief> woohoo
[7:27] <mischief> hooked up the display to the rpi
[7:27] <hotwings> congrats on popping your rpi cherry
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[7:29] <adama> i thought mine was DOA for ages
[7:29] <adama> turned out it just didn't like the sdcard i'd used
[7:30] <Pickley> :P
[7:30] <hotwings> i thought that was fixed now. but yeah, rpi was/is very pissy about sd cards
[7:30] <hotwings> some people report it works with a certain card.. then another guy buys the exact same card and it doesnt work
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[7:30] <adama> rpi running risc os is even more pissy
[7:30] <hotwings> thats why that list of `compatible sd cards` is basically worthless
[7:30] <Arch-MBP> i been lucky...all of mine have worked
[7:31] <adama> it's booted off a 16GB micro-sd at the moment
[7:31] <adama> but i stole that from my brother's video camera
[7:31] <adama> :D
[7:31] <Pickley> Im surprised how well this works for torrenting lol
[7:31] <Pickley> 2.4MB/s
[7:32] <adama> which client?
[7:32] <Pickley> transmission
[7:32] <adama> it probably depends a lot on the client and how efficient it is
[7:32] <Pickley> haven't stress tested much though
[7:32] <adama> and transmission is using all of the cpu?
[7:32] <adama> try btdownloadcurses :)
[7:32] <Pickley> let me check
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[7:33] <Pickley> about 50% or so currently
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[7:41] <Sp0tter> where is a good place to read about how to setup Arch linux from scratch on a raspberry pi (not just dd'ing the premade image) ?
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[8:28] <tech2077> time to add more support to my pyLCD library
[8:29] <tech2077> i think i should support adafruit's lcd backpack by the time the next adafruit show-and-tell comes up next week
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[8:53] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, is that a local event to you?
[8:54] <tech2077> gordonDrogon, adafruit holds google+ hangouts and invited people to show off recent builds in more detail
[8:54] <tech2077> www.adafruit.com
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> ok
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> I don't use g+
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[8:56] <gordonDrogon> I spelt idle time last night writing an analog clock program in basic...
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> just because, I guess.
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> :)
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/clock.rtb
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[8:58] <gordonDrogon> I have a grapical 128x64 LCD display I might hook up to the pi too.
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> however it's monday and breakfast time.
[8:59] <tech2077> heh
[8:59] <tech2077> it's 2am here
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[9:00] <tech2077> i wish i had a graphical display to test out with the pi
[9:00] <mischief> hey
[9:00] <mischief> i got a SCF5740 hooked up
[9:01] <mischief> http://imgur.com/adG8V http://imgur.com/IUOjj http://imgur.com/yCeiW
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[9:04] <gordonDrogon> ah, that's i2c interface?
[9:05] <mischief> spi
[9:05] <mischief> using linux spidev drivers
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[9:06] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> I really meant spi :)
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> and I'm really having breakfast now !!!
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[9:19] <tech2077> heh
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[9:20] <tech2077> i still don't understand how some people claim my method of interfacing an LCD is worse than bitbanging GPIO
[9:20] <tech2077> using a i2c/spi port expander is cleaner by several magnitudes than GPIO
[9:21] <mischief> linux spi driver seems to make it pretty easy
[9:21] <tech2077> I do need to write some good python bindings for spi-dev though
[9:21] <mischief> but all i've done is this dot matrix display
[9:21] <tech2077> i haven't seen anything really useful in the same level as the smbus bindings
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[9:27] <netman87> anyone online with pi overclocked to 1000MHz?
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[9:31] <tech2077> netman87, a few people have
[9:32] <tech2077> it requires a bit of overvolting and a little some cooling for some people
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[9:34] <sjaak_trekhaak> Most people can reach ~900 without any overvolting
[9:34] <tech2077> yep
[9:34] <netman87> tech2077: yeah. i know that. but if i get this kernel working i wanna someone with 1000MHz to give me result
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[9:40] <mythos> netman87, i have one
[9:40] <booyaa> ning!
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[9:45] <netman87> damn
[9:45] <netman87> my kernel dosnt boot
[9:45] <netman87> just that color cube
[9:45] <netman87> what a...
[9:48] <booyaa> heh i do have a soft spot for the thingm guys, good examples of how to use a rgb led: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thingm/blink1-the-usb-rgb-led
[9:49] <booyaa> i should really use my blinkm had no idea it was pretty much a scalled down arduino
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[9:49] <Pickley> booyaa: so its 25 bucks for a fancy LED?
[9:50] <booyaa> have you used a blinkm before?
[9:50] <booyaa> short answer yes
[9:50] <Pickley> the blink(1) is just a fancy LED lol
[9:50] <Pickley> 25 bucks for it.
[9:50] <Pickley> Not really worth it imo
[9:51] <booyaa> o.k.
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[9:53] <aditsu> oh man, I wasted so much time with wifi and bluetooth.. when usb tethering was so simple
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[9:55] <booyaa> aditsu: you mean using your phone as a modem via usb>?
[9:55] <KrnlPanic> Finally got Arch running fully on my RPi, now to get my WiFi working and add frame buffering (console only for me) so I can get xawtv working and I think I'm done...
[9:55] <aditsu> booyaa: yeah, more like as a router
[9:55] <KrnlPanic> can get my breadboard and a few kits to start learning 'the good stuff' :)
[9:55] <booyaa> aditsu: is there a write up on how to do it?
[9:56] <booyaa> KrnlPanic: rocking
[9:56] <aditsu> booyaa: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Android_Tethering#USB_tethering (some steps can be skipped too)
[9:57] <booyaa> cheers buddy
[9:58] <booyaa> i'm still going to give wifi a go cause i've got a mifi device
[9:58] * booyaa wants to go mobile
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> tech how is your method? I thought it was 'bit banging' on a parallel type interface?
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, how is your method? I thought it was 'bit banging' on a parallel type interface?
[9:59] <aditsu> booyaa: you may need a low power wifi dongle, mine didn't work
[9:59] <aditsu> (or a powered hub)
[10:00] <tech2077> i push hex representation of the pin states
[10:00] <tech2077> so it's like writing commands to a register for me
[10:00] <tech2077> except i bit of byte to nibble conversion
[10:00] <tech2077> s/i/a
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> ok - but it's still using the GPIO pins - no different to what I'm doing.
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> can't see why people complain about that.
[10:01] <tech2077> gordonDrogon, it's not using the gpio pins
[10:01] <tech2077> it's over i2c to a port expander
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> Ah... ok. I thought you were doing it that way.
[10:02] <fairuz> Hey guys
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> I did get one comment on my blog suggest I ought to do it that way - suggested I should use a TI PCF8574, etc.
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> however whatever method is fine by me - it's all part of the same fun thing on the Pi :)
[10:03] <tech2077> thats the chip i'm using
[10:03] <tech2077> i'm working on adding 16 bit expander support
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> ok
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> today I think I'll finish my LDC library - make it work in 4-bit mode as well as 8-bit.
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> *LCD.
[10:05] <Pickley> gordonDrogon: Oh yeah, tried out powering it with battery pack, worked great after I replaced the old battery packs on the Cybot, exploded batteries don't help :D
[10:05] <fairuz> I have a simple linux OS that I want to test on rPI. The procedure should be, took the OS's kernel and apply rPI's patches on top of it. For the OS, there is no modification needed right?
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[10:05] <gordonDrogon> Pickley, ah right. so the Pi can turn the motors on/off now?
[10:05] <Pickley> gordonDrogon: Waiting on jumper wires which should arrive tomorrow to try it out
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> fairuz, might it be easier if you just start with one of the ready-made kernels until your userland is sorted, the move to a custom kernel for it?
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> Pickley, ok.
[10:06] <tech2077> gordonDrogon, is it python or C/C++
[10:06] <tech2077> your library
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, C. Python is read-only for me for now.
[10:07] <tech2077> ah, i'm going to implement this better in C later and then just make bindings
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> personally, I suspect that's the most flexible way and a way to make it more acessible to everything ...
[10:08] <tech2077> this is just a nice library so python people (supposedly the primary language for the pi by the organization) can get off their feet
[10:08] <Gadgetoid> Mornin' gordonDrogon!
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> 'morning Mr Gadgetoid!
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[10:09] <gordonDrogon> Gert confirms the Gertboard is a kit on the forums ...
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[10:09] <tech2077> now when will we be able to buy it?
[10:09] <Gadgetoid> *shudder*??? I dread to think what a disaster i'd make of a kit
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> it's mostly through hole, but there appears to be a handful of SMT resistors...
[10:09] <Mr_Sheesh> Gadgetoid, I'd imagine someone near you can solder etc.
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[10:10] <Mr_Sheesh> so long as they're 0402s or larger LOL
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[10:10] <tech2077> SMT resistors are easy though
[10:10] <Pickley> I hope he sells some premade.
[10:10] <tech2077> i personally prefer everything kit as long as it's something SSOP-16 or larger
[10:10] <Gadgetoid> Mr_Sheesh: I could probably do most of it now, but I have a tendency to rush things.. and also solder and a soldering iron which are both around 10 years old??? mmmm??? delicious lead
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> what size is an 0402 ?
[10:11] <Mr_Sheesh> Just use 63/37 solder, call it good! LOL
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[10:12] <Mr_Sheesh> 0402s are quite tiny, 0603s are easier to solder, 0805s pretty easy for most; IDK what he's using in the kit yet (May get a kit, may roll my own as I often do that)
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> 3mm by a guess ?
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[10:14] <gordonDrogon> Hm. farnell have removed the search for it :)
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> it used to be visible on their site, but I guess they pulled it.
[10:14] <fairuz> gordonDrogon: So you mean, I should just try take current Rpi kernel and try it out with the OS?
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[10:15] <gordonDrogon> fairuz, sure. might be an easier first step to getting your distro going..
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> lots of photos of the Mk1 Gertboard online, but none of the later one as I can tell.
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> The Mk1 has a PIC microcontroller, the current one has a 28-pin ATmega.
[10:16] <tech2077> i need to design a board for this Sharp lcd
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[10:16] <tech2077> would be horrible for such a wonderful display to not be put on the pi
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[10:17] <Mr_Sheesh> Oh sorry gordonDrogon - See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-mount_technology#Packages for the details, I usually talk in the Imperial Codes, so 0402 is 0.1x0.1mm
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> http://blog.modmypi.com/2012/04/introducing-gertboard.html
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[10:17] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Sheesh, ok - I just not familiar with SMT stuff at all (yet!)
[10:18] <fairuz> gordonDrogon: Sounds good for starting
[10:18] <Mr_Sheesh> Dangit should have typed 1.0 ?? 0.5 mm (0.039 ?? 0.020 in) - USUALLY I use mills (thousands of an inch) as the PCB places in the US are all set up for mills, historically - I've been doing it for a while LOL
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> fairuz, might make life easy :)
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[10:19] <Mr_Sheesh> 1.0x0.5mm is TOUGH, but hand solderable, unless you have shaky hands - Try an 0805 first tho :)
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> that photo above has the same size resistors on it (although I know that's not the one that'll be in production)
[10:19] <fairuz> gordonDrogon: Yes, if it boots.. :D
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> fairuz, you could put another partition on it - load your distro into a new partition then change the root= in the /boot/cmdline.txt file to switch ...
[10:21] <netman87> hmm what i have done wrong... my kernel dosnt boot
[10:21] <netman87> nothing to FB
[10:21] <netman87> just that color cube
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> netman87, do you get the ... ah, ok colour cube. Hm.
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[10:22] <gordonDrogon> latest firmware?
[10:22] <netman87> well yes. gpu start cube just leaves on screen
[10:22] <netman87> yes latest firmwares
[10:22] <netman87> i did try mkimage and thats when i had cube
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> And I can't remember if you still need to strip/add that 32KB blob to the start of the kernel or not - the kernel sources I got off Bootc's site "just worked" ...
[10:22] <netman87> and then i did try just copy Image but that did give me only black screen
[10:23] <netman87> for latest firmwares you should not need to modify kernel image
[10:23] <netman87> is what i did read
[10:23] <netman87> anyway i dont understand this... kernel.img is bigger than mine kernel_own.img
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[10:24] <netman87> and difference is that i just did enable more features
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[10:24] <muep> netman87: is it a big size difference?
[10:25] <netman87> not really
[10:25] <muep> a small size change might result from just changed compiler version or settings
[10:25] <netman87> http://pastebin.com/TceEiG0M
[10:25] <netman87> size difference was something like 20-50kt
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[10:26] <muep> kt?
[10:26] <netman87> oh kilobytes
[10:26] <netman87> finnish short for it
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[10:31] <gordonDrogon> netman87, my kernels are always way smaller than the ones supplied. e.g. 2.2MB vs. much bigger.
[10:31] <glen2> Hello I have a problem.
[10:31] <Mr_Sheesh> gordonDrogon, what size of SD card do you use, then?
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Sheesh, 4GB.
[10:32] <glen2> I want to make a RPi into the controller of a 3D printer.
[10:32] <Mr_Sheesh> Good cause there, glen2, it'll take some power electronics for certain
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> glen2, make it talk to an arduino and get that to do the actual motor control - just do the high-level stuff in the Pi. (is my suggestion)
[10:32] <booyaa> anyone know if you can repurpose a nokia battery as a portable battery pack?
[10:32] <booyaa> google's not very helpful at the mo
[10:33] <glen2> I've connected the RPi to a projector that's pointing at a vat of light sensitive resin, the image I want to harden is rendered in javascript on a browser, how do I hide the scroll bars?
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, sure - just make sure you have a charger - especially if it's LiPo or Li -anything really.
[10:33] <Stoob> booyaa: you can but it's probably not worth it, the older the battery the worse it is, no matter how hard it was used, age still kills batteries.
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[10:33] <Stoob> aside from that yeah, get battery control circuitry and you'll be fine
[10:33] <Mr_Sheesh> booyaa - Sure, it's wise to use switchers to control charging and pass consistent power to the load tho
[10:34] <Stoob> glen2: you can do that with CSS
[10:34] <Stoob> google CSS scrollbar hide
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[10:34] <Mr_Sheesh> glen2 - Use cardboard to block 'em if you want to be low tech, also LOL
[10:34] <glen2> Mr_Sheesh: Won't work, too much ligh polution will be generated.
[10:34] <Stoob> glen2: or you can just set the image height/width to be 100% browser size if you know what i mean
[10:34] <Mr_Sheesh> Friend has one game he refuses to pay for - so he has cardboard set up to lower down, supported by thread, hides the ads LOL - Aah then their suggestion makes sense
[10:34] <netman87> gordonDrogon: yes but i did only copy from default kernel and change just some features on
[10:35] <Stoob> glen2: what kind of projector do you have that has perfect blacks?
[10:35] <glen2> Stoob: Hide in CSS stops scrolling, so I wouldn't be able to center the image.
[10:35] <reider59> In the RaspBerry Pi forum a New Zealand contributor used a Samsung CD/DVD with read status just by plugging it in. After an apt-get install he can now write to a disk. I traced this Samsung drive to the UM and it`s around ??19-21. Just a FYI........
[10:35] <Stoob> glen2: use css to center the image then? :P
[10:35] <reider59> It`s USB
[10:35] <glen2> Stoob: DLP projectors have perfect black.
[10:35] <booyaa> cheers guys
[10:35] <reider59> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005N2UEM4/ref=asc_df_B005N2UEM48681458?smid=A2ISCIYTBYKHNJ&tag=hydra0b-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22218&creativeASIN=B005N2UEM4&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1325128660718036279&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=
[10:35] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=10674
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> ah, light rather than ye-olde stepper motor stuff.
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> hm. looks like one of my clients has had to "let go" one of their staff - just spent 5 minutes going through the account lock-down procedures...
[10:37] <glen2> Stoob: CSS isn't sufficiently advanced to know where I want to put an image on the surface of a vat of resin and I don't want to wait for the next version which I'm sure will have support.
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> glen2, is it possible to render a static image then use something else to display the image than a web browser?
[10:38] <glen2> There's no front end webdevelopers here?
[10:38] <Stoob> add a javascript button to throw the css in that hides the scrollbars
[10:38] <Stoob> ?
[10:38] <Stoob> and/or just use the arrow keys of a keyboard to center the image
[10:39] <glen2> Stoob: There is no scrolling after CSS has hidden the scroll bar.
[10:39] <glen2> Not even a little.
[10:40] <Stoob> welp. if ur gonna play ruff then write up some js to capture the arrow keys and move the image around without scrolling
[10:40] <netman87> huh ill upgrade firmwares again
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[10:40] <netman87> if this dosnt work i dont really know what to do
[10:40] <netman87> Receiving objects: 57% (5301/9259), 259.02 MiB | 566 KiB/s
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[10:46] <reider59> A guy I used to work with in a warehouse placed a timebomb in the programming, knowing they were sacking him. The warehouse was split into two and I was in charge of the second half. I just told them where they might start looking and they got it after the system shut down for a day or so. Luckilly they caught up, my side of the warehouse was unaffected. I couldn`t leave them in the dark over it.
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[10:46] <drazyl> reider59 what an arse
[10:46] <reider59> He risked other peoples jobs in doing it
[10:47] <drazyl> we had a guy do that after he was let go, I think he thought he was being clever, but it means his name is mud with lots of people who move around the industry quite a bit, so stupid
[10:47] <Mr_Sheesh> I've known people like that, I figure Karma will ALWAYS catch up with ya, some time
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[10:49] <drazyl> you never know when someone you worked with in the past will be useful in the future, always best to be on good terms, even if you didn't get on
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[10:49] <reider59> I only did this once and would never do it again but well it happened. A guy owed me some money for a computer job I did, I kept getting promises it would be paid but never did. Years later he worked where my mate does in another computer place. He owed money to several people and they all hated him. What made the worm turn here was he even asked my mate to say hello to me as "he was a big mate of mine"!
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[10:50] <Tachyon`> o.o
[10:51] <reider59> I asked my mate to sell him a disk with loads of programs on and promise never to use it himself, plus not to let it go for less than a fiver. A few days later he took his puter in for the technicians to fix as it wouldn`t even start up. They refused cos he owed them money. best fiver I never got!
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[10:51] <Tachyon`> this must have been some time ago
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[10:51] <booyaa> i did something similar but not in a malicious kinda way
[10:51] <booyaa> i was really into the whole grid computing stuff stuff before seti@home
[10:52] <reider59> Still have the disk, it was that Russian virus that affects the EPROM not just the OS. At the time the EPROMS were all soldered in and just hard work.
[10:52] <reider59> Ihave a big red cross through the disk
[10:52] <booyaa> i installed the client on quiet a few machines and servers. forgot to shut it down. so when the logs chewed up all the space on the proxy server
[10:52] <booyaa> stuff crashed
[10:53] <reider59> seti was cool, used (erm still have some) to have the certs plastered all over the computer studio wall
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[10:54] <booyaa> i was playing around with stuff to crack rc4
[10:54] <lrvick> <
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[10:54] <booyaa> i can't remember the website for the life of me
[10:55] <booyaa> seem to think it was something to do with cows (not tuwcows)
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[11:01] <nwp> so... is anyone not finding the rpi USB to be rather flaky? any good solutions yet?
[11:03] <nwp> (m)any people shorting out the polyfuses to try to make stuff like wifi adapters work, for example? and if so, with any success?
[11:04] <aditsu> ladies and gentlemen, my pi is now portable
[11:05] <nwp> only I'm getting rather frustrated with the thing :-(
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[11:06] <nwp> I don't get the impression the problems are down to power...
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[11:07] <nwp> but I don't know whether it's more likely drivers or firmware causing problems
[11:07] <aditsu> nwp: I couldn't use my wifi dongle, probably because of the power
[11:07] <Mr_Sheesh> Instead of shorting the polyfuse I'd suggest replacing it with a higher power polyswitch, so it will have SOME protection...
[11:07] <nwp> Mr_Sheesh, that had crossed my mind
[11:07] <nwp> although really, what's being protected against what?
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[11:08] <Mr_Sheesh> What happens WHEN you short the USB connector (for example if a dog chews your USB cable in half, or a cat)?
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[11:09] <Mr_Sheesh> We had one kitty who chewed a 120VAC lamp cord completely in half, JUST 4 inches past the on'off switch - got "exciting" when I reached down behind the sofa to turn the lamp on!
[11:09] <nwp> well I guess it depends on the USB power supply. you're only going to get 2A even from a "big" one
[11:10] <nwp> haven't looked at how power is routed to USB on rpi board - will it kill anything else en route?
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> I think we've all got some intersting tales to tell re. staff leaving/pushed, etc.... A company I worked for many years ago leanred the hard way by allowing staff to return to their desks during the first round of redundancies.. One chap in the finance department wiped the lot...
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> fortunately we had backups, however...
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[11:15] <Mr_Sheesh> nwp - I've powered embedded projects off an AT power supply in the past - Friend saw what I was doing and just put in straight binding posts on a hard drive cover, *without breakers or fuses*, then wanted to gripe at me when he shut his entire machine down WHEN he shorted them; You can lose your work on the RPi if you short the USB port, is the point. (In his case it was his company's
[11:15] <Mr_Sheesh> server, -shakes head-)
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[11:15] <netman87> what a....
[11:16] <netman87> it just dosnt boot
[11:16] <netman87> my videoprojector goes to powersafe mode when i try to boot my kernel
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[11:16] <netman87> ...
[11:16] <fairuz> anyone have experience using lauterbach here?
[11:16] <nwp> Mr_Sheesh, fair enough re. losing work on rpi, but I don't think I'm likely to be too worried about that :-)
[11:17] <nwp> although as I said, I get the impression power is not the biggest issue, so I'm not sure that it's worth modifying the fuses anyway
[11:18] <nwp> I'd be grateful to hear from anyone who has a nice simple setup with wifi that works reliably :-P
[11:18] <hermanhermitage> any recommendations for SD cards with good price/perf?
[11:19] <hermanhermitage> are all the kingston/sandisk ok?
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> nwp, power to the on-board USB is a big issue if your device is going to take more than 100mA - and from what I'm hearing, most wi-fi dongles take at least 500mA or more...
[11:19] <Mr_Sheesh> It'd be bad to blow traces inside your RPi is the other thing, but you knew that :P Could always make a short cable that ran power to the other end, from a beefier 5v supply
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Sheesh, sevreal have been doing just that. running a pair from the 5V input directly to the USB sockets and adding in a bit (220uF) capacitor as ballast.
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> s/bit/big/
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> hermanhermitage, I have kingstons which are OK, also sandisk which are also ok (and a bit faster)
[11:21] <Mr_Sheesh> I always like fusing, it's saved my bacon "a few times"
[11:22] <KrnlPanic> netman87: Hah! I'm happy just for the fact that mines online! LoL
[11:23] <hermanhermitage> gordonDrogon: ok cheers
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[11:30] <nwp> gordonDrogon: ack re. wifi dongles, but running them through a (powered) hub "should" sort that...
[11:30] <nwp> ...of course it doesn't, though
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[11:32] <nwp> and all kinds of fun and games with logitech wireless kbd/mouse dongle and wifi dongles etc. interacting ensues
[11:32] <dmanser> hmm, can i set up a linux box in a virtual machine - say vmware - and then dd that virtual hard disk to the sd card?
[11:32] <dmanser> or what would be the best way to install a distribution from scratch?
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[11:33] <bpultimate> dmanser - why don't you use raspbian which is pretty much the base OS without anything installed?
[11:33] <Chetic> why do I get '?'s instead of fancy lines (for example in module-assistant) when I SSH to my rpi?
[11:34] <dmanser> bpultimate: because i'm geeky enough. i want know how to do this from scratch =)
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[11:36] <dmanser> from what i've read, it isnt possible to boot up from a usb thumb drive - correct? so how could i install a OS?
[11:37] <tech2077> you still need a SD card
[11:37] <tech2077> boot the kernel off the sd card
[11:38] <tech2077> but set rootfs to the /dev/sdxn that the flash drive is on
[11:38] <dmanser> well, yeah. i have an SD card, but how would i install the os to that card if i can only boot from the sd cart itself
[11:38] <aditsu> now if only there was a way to power and tether the phone at the same time..
[11:38] <tech2077> well
[11:38] <tech2077> night
[11:39] <aditsu> dmanser: you can dd an image to it
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[11:40] <aditsu> dmanser: you can also mount it on a linux pc and chroot into it or whatever
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> Chetic, you have a font or locale issue. (probably).
[11:40] <aditsu> dmanser: and load it into a vm
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[11:41] <dmanser> ok maybe i was too unspecific. i want to _install_ the OS, not dd an _existent_ linux
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[11:41] <dmanser> i mean, from scratch
[11:42] <dmanser> all i have is an empty SD card and a usb stick (live cd) with my favourite distribution
[11:42] <aditsu> dmanser: is it for arm?
[11:42] <dmanser> aditsu: yes
[11:43] <Chetic> gordonDrogon: yep! just had to change to utf-8 in my client (putty)
[11:43] <Chetic> thank you
[11:43] <aditsu> dmanser: you can transfer the usb stick contents to the card; you may need to add the pi firmware if not already there
[11:44] <dmanser> aditsu: ok. so then i'd boot the installer from the sd card, and install it to a temporary usb stick, and afterwards dd the usbstick to the sd card?
[11:46] <aditsu> dmanser: you can also have multiple partitions on the card; btw which distro is it?
[11:46] <dmanser> aditsu: gentoo
[11:46] <aditsu> dmanser: http://wiki.gentoo.org/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi
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[11:47] <dmanser> aditsu: thanks
[11:48] <dmanser> btw where would i get the rapsberry firmware if i need it? isn't listed on the downloads page
[11:48] <aditsu> dmanser: you can get the files from another image
[11:48] <dmanser> ok
[11:49] <aditsu> I should also set up gentoo sometime, it wasn't available for the pi (at least not the instructions) when I started
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[11:50] <KrnlPanic> Anyone know where I can find a compiled copy of Hexxeh's Chromium distro for RPi? Only link I've found is through GitHub and I don't know how to use that.. :/
[11:50] <dmanser> it'll be fun. wonder how many hours it would take to emerge something :-)
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[11:51] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, did he actually get it all going? Not 100% sure it was ready yet, however...
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[11:51] <aditsu> dmanser: I got my cross-compiler ready
[11:52] <aditsu> KrnlPanic: you can download stuff from github
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[11:55] <bpultimate> FIRMWARE IS AVAILABLE HERE -> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[11:55] <dmanser> bpultimate: thanks!
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[12:13] <booyaa> ?firmware
[12:13] <booyaa> we really need a bot
[12:13] <frankivo> PiBot: <
[12:14] <booyaa> is that how you call him?
[12:14] <booyaa> PiBot: <
[12:14] <booyaa> meh
[12:14] <frankivo> it exists already :p
[12:14] <Mr_Sheesh> Might ask the freenode folks if they have one if PiBot cannot do what you need? IDK who runs PiBot
[12:14] <frankivo> not quite sure what is does
[12:14] <frankivo> it*
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[12:15] <SpeedEvil> It voices people. For no good reason.
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> As far as I can tell.
[12:15] <frankivo> power to the people!
[12:15] <Mr_Sheesh> Only useful if an Op here can then devoice offenders, and set the chan mode so they cannot talk
[12:15] <frankivo> /hop :+
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[12:16] <reider59> Anyone know how to turn off jopins/parts and Pi Bot messages in XChat? Can`t seem to see a setting anywhere.
[12:16] <reider59> *joins
[12:16] <booyaa> reider59: do you have a /ignore command?
[12:16] * booyaa uses irssi
[12:16] <booyaa> and that's the command to filter out joins and parts
[12:16] <reider59> no setting for it
[12:16] <booyaa> :(
[12:16] <reider59> OK I`ll see if I can add a script later
[12:16] <reider59> thx
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[12:20] <zeeZ> did you even search for it?
[12:20] <zeeZ> http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Hide_join_part_messages
[12:22] <reider59> yes I did, but what I read said to set conf mode 1 but not where. Looked through and found nothing
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[12:22] <reider59> I have to go out to my Photography Group later so I used the net to my advantage and simply asked people who try to help
[12:23] <Mr_Sheesh> reider59 - Is that allowed!?? LOL
[12:23] <reider59> not sure, might need permission ;-)
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[12:26] <reider59> Lets see if this works
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[12:27] <NucWin> ?
[12:27] <NucWin> i hoped
[12:28] <reider59> I take meds that affect the brain, thoughts, memory. Having a clear chat only screen helps. Still getting PiBot messages but no joins/parts so far
[12:29] <reider59> No mail yet NucWin lol, only ordered yesterday
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[12:30] <Aldasa> reider59, to hide join/part msgs in xchat right click on the #raspberrypi channel tab > settings
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[12:30] <reider59> I`ll have to hush up PiBot later
[12:30] <reider59> I added the Conf 1 mode to my log in
[12:31] <nerker> Is it possible to temporarily disable eth0. I have done ifdown eth0 but still get lots of error messages in dmesg.
[12:31] <Maior> nerker: unload the kernel module...?
[12:31] <Maior> (feels a smidge extreme, but...)
[12:31] <nerker> Maior : How do do that?
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[12:32] <reider59> I see that now I changed from tree to buttons on the rooms
[12:32] <reider59> thanks
[12:33] <Maior> nerker: I don't have a Pi to hand, but rmmod / modprobe -foo the relevant module?
[12:33] <Maior> mind you, if you're not familiar with that, probably not best idea
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[12:34] <netman87> gordonDrogon: compiling kernel from your configs ... from 3.1.9 rpi source
[12:35] <nerker> Ok thanks I will have a go. If it goes pear shaped I only to re-flash th sd card.
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[12:38] * MadnessEvolved looks forward to getting his Pi ... is going to read and learn in the mean time _m(O-O)m_
[12:38] <Maior> MadnessEvolved: what're your plans for it?
[12:40] <MadnessEvolved> Hmm, a couple of things, which means I'll have to do one or the other. I'd love one as a basic server for home, to run media and basic protocols. This will allow me to shut my PC off during the day/night for a change. But also want to use it as a portable device to help power some electronics projects coming up later on in my learning.
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[12:40] <MadnessEvolved> So probably do one, then the other.
[12:40] <reider59> NucWin: Just an update. Ordered the 26 pin stuff Sunday. I just got an email from Tandy with the Invoice attached showing my payment, delivery 3-4 days. Support number etc... All looks above board so far. I`ll keep you informed as it progresses.
[12:40] <MadnessEvolved> Will order a second after I get the first, I think. Or get back in the queue.
[12:40] <MadnessEvolved> I'm looking forward to getting it, then I'll do even more reading and playing, though.
[12:41] <MadnessEvolved> Think I'm about a month off delivery still, near enough.
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> netman87, Ohh... good luck!
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> netman87, ifconfig eth0 down
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[12:45] <NucWin> Nice reider59
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[12:46] <reider59> I might get some more male/female jumper wires off them if all goes well with this. Maplins don`t even know what they are???
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[12:47] <netman87> gordonDrogon: why?
[12:47] <netman87> im running headless atm... do u think disabling usb devices will boost that much?
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[12:49] <gordonDrogon> netman87, just wising you luck! Hope it goes well, etc, etc, etc, ...
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> netman87, according to various posts, 20% of the cpu is wasted on the USB 8KHz interrupt...
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[12:54] <smikey> heyhey
[12:55] <netman87> yeah but there is also ethernet on usb and im using ethernet
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[12:56] <netman87> gordonDrogon: CC fs/nfsd/nfsfh.o
[12:56] <netman87> how much more?
[12:57] <netman87> u have list of them dont u?
[12:57] <netman87> wait a minute... why your kernel includes nfs?
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[12:58] <reider59> Well, I best go shuffle, shave, shower....Photography group this afternoon. later
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[12:59] <KrnlPanic> hermanhermitage: I have 1 of each and they both seem to function properly
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[13:02] <gordonDrogon> netman87, hang on ...
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> netman87, that's 29%
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> netman87, see: http://unicorn.drogon.net/compile.out
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> netman87, I run NFS servers here in my home/office ...
[13:06] <netman87> ok
[13:06] <netman87> soon 50%
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> how long so-far?
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> (in terms of wallclock time)
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[13:08] <gordonDrogon> Hm. noticing a lot more data than usual leaving the datacentre this morning ...
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if it's because a customer knows I'm going to pull the plug on them tomorow night if they don't pay...
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[13:12] <KrnlPanic> Chetic: I get the same thing.. (In console mode)
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[13:13] <netman87> gordonDrogon: whaat did i see
[13:14] <drazyl> gordonDrogon - yeah, you can often tell who is planning to leave by that
[13:14] <netman87> gordonDrogon: CC drivers/cdrom/cdrom.o <- cdrom?
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[13:23] <KrnlPanic> SO if I cahnge my console to UTF-8 all those funky characters will change?
[13:25] <KrnlPanic> gordonDrogon: Not sure, I went and got another SD card and was going to try out some different stuff on it
[13:25] <KrnlPanic> aditsu: The only link I have is for the tree
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[13:28] <gordonDrogon> netman87, Hm. cdrom... wonder what that's doing there... oh well - I guess I ddin't quite cut it down far-enough :)
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[13:28] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, should do - I've been using utf-8 everywhere for a while now...
[13:29] <ReggieUK> g'morning everyome
[13:29] <ReggieUK> meh
[13:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[13:29] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton. Temp 15??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 88%, Later 18??C - 12??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[13:29] * ReggieUK needs to focus before typing
[13:29] <KrnlPanic> gordonDrogon: Thank you!
[13:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> 'noon ReggieUK
[13:29] <ReggieUK> g'morning everyoNe
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[13:30] <KrnlPanic> good morning, ReggieUK
[13:31] <ReggieUK> hi
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[13:31] <gordonDrogon> 'aftermorning, ReggieUK
[13:31] <SpeedEvil> !w
[13:31] <PiBot> SpeedEvil: in Glenrothes, Fife. Temp 287K. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 77%, Later 291K - 281K. Condition: Rain.
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[13:33] <ReggieUK> hi SpeedEvil, gordonDrogon, KrnlPanic, RaTTuS|BIG
[13:34] <netman87> !w raahe, finland
[13:34] <PiBot> netman87: in Raahe, Northern Ostrobothnia. Temp 70??F. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 56%, Later 73??F - 50??F. Condition: Rain.
[13:35] <netman87> how i set Celcious
[13:35] <netman87> celcius
[13:35] <netman87> !w set C
[13:35] <PiBot> Not found.
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[13:40] <aditsu> KrnlPanic: what's the link?
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> big clock says 20 to 1.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> what was myy webcam URL again...
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[13:43] <KrnlPanic> aditsu: This is the one I have.. https://gerrit.chromium.org/gerrit/#change,22836
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> http://wt.drogon.net:8080/
[13:44] <aditsu> KrnlPanic: I thought you were talking about a github link
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> The time according to Pi: http://wt.drogon.net:8080/ :)
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[13:47] <chaoshax> gordonDrogon: Is that your pi hosting the site or the pi just creating the clock
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> chaoshax, the Pi is running a program to display the clock - the 'site' is from my old panasonic webcam (ethernet socket - totally self contained)
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> ah, your moving it :)
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> now pointing to the pi running the clock program
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[13:49] <chaoshax> Is that xclock?
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> no, I wrote it in BASIC last night.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/clock.rtb
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[13:52] <aditsu> this is cool, the pi can run for hours and hours on this portable charger, with only usb tethering connected
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> there's a chap playing/testing my basic for me who wrote a clock program, so I thought I'd do the same to see how it fared.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> my workbench is a bit cluttered :)
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> aditsu, portable charger? You mean a battery with a usb connection?
[13:54] <aditsu> gordonDrogon: yeah
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> aditsu, ok. neat. but what do you mean by usb tethering?
[13:55] <aditsu> gordonDrogon: tethered to my android phone (for networking, keyboard and screen)
[13:55] <aditsu> well, keyboard and screen via ssh
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> aditsu, ok. what's the protocol over the usb for networking then? does the phone pretend to be a serial modem?
[13:58] <aditsu> gordonDrogon: the pi has a usb0 network interface, driver: rndis_host
[13:58] <ReggieUK> aditsu, is that g_ether (usb ethernet gadget driver)?
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> aditsu, ok. not familiar with all that, but if it works :)
[13:58] <ReggieUK> I'm guessing that's on the phone?
[13:59] <aditsu> ReggieUK: don't know what's that
[14:00] <aditsu> anyway, it's my phone's standard usb tethering
[14:00] <aditsu> no special app
[14:00] <ReggieUK> it's a set of linux drivers that allow you to connect usb to another device as if it were a ethernet adapter, midi device, mass storage device, printer
[14:01] <ReggieUK> so you could in theory use the pi as a mass storage device by simply plugging usb into a PC for instance (although not the standard ports the way they're setup)
[14:01] <aditsu> ReggieUK: anyway, if it says the driver is rndis_host, then I guess it's not g_ether
[14:01] <ReggieUK> depends as the phone would be the device running g_ether
[14:02] <ReggieUK> it's incredibly useful
[14:02] <aditsu> oh, no idea what the phone is running
[14:02] <ReggieUK> it'll be the phone that's providing the driver
[14:02] <aditsu> I just know it's android :p
[14:02] * hermanhermitage yawns.
[14:02] <ReggieUK> pi will just see it as whatever device it declares itself as
[14:03] <aditsu> the device on the phone is also usb0, but I don't have ethtool there
[14:03] <aditsu> any other way to find the driver?
[14:04] <ReggieUK> lsmod
[14:04] <ReggieUK> lsusb maybe on the device
[14:04] <aditsu> lsmod only shows bcm4329 232856 0 - Live 0xbf000000
[14:04] <ReggieUK> no I meant on the phone (I have zero knowledge of android)
[14:05] <ReggieUK> so whatever it's equivalent tool is for finding whats running
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[14:05] <aditsu> ReggieUK: yes that was on the phone
[14:06] <NucWin> haha my phone is bcm4329 too
[14:06] <aditsu> lsusb on the pi -> HTC (High Tech Computer Corp.) Desire HD (modem mode)
[14:07] <ReggieUK> oh whoops :D I stopped reading after bcm :D
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[14:07] <aditsu> yeah, the phone and the pi are not too different :p
[14:07] <ReggieUK> http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/
[14:08] <ReggieUK> that'll give you an idea about what's happening
[14:08] <ReggieUK> it would've been superb if the foundation had added usb client to the pi
[14:10] <aditsu> anyway, my pi is portable now :) just need to think of applications for that
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[14:11] <aditsu> I could, for example, connect the phone or a digital camera to a usb drive and transfer files
[14:11] <aditsu> or camera to phone
[14:12] <ReggieUK> :)
[14:12] <ReggieUK> the pi is very capable for sure
[14:12] <aditsu> ah, camera to facebook :) that could be a cool application
[14:13] <ReggieUK> this would've just enhanced it's feature set with fairly minimal input from teh foundation
[14:13] <ReggieUK> no extra hardware needed as such
[14:13] <ReggieUK> just a method to turn the usb from host to client
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[14:13] <ReggieUK> no extra hardware needed for the user
[14:13] <ReggieUK> just a usb cable
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[14:14] <aditsu> ReggieUK: you want to use the pi as a mass storage device?
[14:14] <ReggieUK> not necessarily just that
[14:14] <chaoshax> I wish I could store mass in a device, would be a nifty way of getting rid of my brother.
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[14:15] <aditsu> chaoshax: just need a bunch of higgs bosons, they can take care of the mass
[14:15] <ReggieUK> oh cool, I'll fire up one of teh LHRs I've got in the garage
[14:15] <ReggieUK> come on people, lets make mass!!!11!
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[14:15] <chaoshax> Ahh I have a few but I think they are down the side of the sofa.
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[14:18] <theorbtwo> ReggieUK: Except on the B, the USB bus has a USB device pre-connected to it.
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[14:19] <Crenn-NAS> Whee *headdesk* https://twitter.com/crennsmind/status/222303085442240514/photo/1/large
[14:19] <ReggieUK> theorbtwo I know, that's why it's not possible right now and why I said I wish the foundation had added usb client as well as host
[14:20] <ReggieUK> but it might be possible on the A
[14:20] <ReggieUK> I haven't looked much at amba spec.
[14:20] <aditsu> Crenn-NAS: ok now put linux on it
[14:21] <Crenn-NAS> aditsu: On what? My desktop?
[14:21] <aditsu> Crenn-NAS: the microcontroller
[14:21] <chaoshax> Crenn-NAS: What are you doing with that stm32?
[14:23] <chaoshax> I am just interested in these micro controllers as they are pretty quick.
[14:23] <chaoshax> but there isn't much noob friendly documentation for them.
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[14:23] <aditsu> http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/07.%20Linux%20on%208bit
[14:24] <Crenn-NAS> chaoshax: Replacing the main PCB in a hobby RC transmitter
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[14:24] <chaoshax> Crenn-NAS: Yes I am into RC as well, I thought they use atmega though?
[14:24] <Crenn-NAS> aditsu: Not enough RAM/Flash for that
[14:25] <Crenn-NAS> chaoshax: They do, but the replacement board won't
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[14:25] <chaoshax> So what will you get out of using the stm32 instead of atmega?
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[14:25] <Crenn-NAS> More IO, and mainly the ability to interface with a UAV board
[14:26] <chaoshax> Ooh nice.
[14:26] <Crenn-NAS> Via XBees
[14:26] <chaoshax> Have you heard of Fukenshlag project?
[14:27] <Crenn-NAS> Can't say I have, what is it?
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[14:27] <chaoshax> Because this is similar but it's mainly for making your own transmitter
[14:27] <chaoshax> But it's for atmega.
[14:27] <WASDx> Can the RPi program a microcontroller?
[14:27] <chaoshax> If you have heard of multiwii then you might know that you have switches for functions using aux channels.
[14:28] <chaoshax> Using fukenslag they have made it so you can have loads of function switches and you can also send data
[14:28] <chaoshax> So you can send gps waypoints..
[14:28] <muep> WASDx: depends on the controller, but I'd guess generally yes
[14:29] <chaoshax> Crenn-NAS: Has your project got a github page?
[14:29] <Crenn-NAS> chaoshax: Not yet
[14:29] <Crenn-NAS> But I do have a website
[14:29] <muep> WASDx: it should work with usb programmers just as a bigger computer would. And you could have some software that'd use the GPIOs to program some specific microcontroller
[14:29] <NucWin> if i put my voltage to 5v and put it in a bath of oil or something do you think it will overclock to 10GHz long enough to build xbmc in a reasonable time stick of waiting 6hours and it failing lol
[14:29] <chaoshax> Crenn-NAS: So you are going to send all the controls by xbee as well?
[14:30] <Crenn-NAS> Nope
[14:30] <KrnlPanic> aditsu: I am at work and didn't get a chance to actually read anything on that link, but from the pics it looks like they figured out how to 'add ram' to the RPi???
[14:30] <chaoshax> Just waypoints and other data?
[14:30] <WASDx> muep: thanks
[14:30] <Crenn-NAS> Just via the standard 2.4GHz link to the board
[14:30] <aditsu> KrnlPanic: it has nothing to do with the pi
[14:31] <KrnlPanic> aditsu: Oh, copy.. but that'd be pretty awesome! ;)
[14:31] <Crenn-NAS> chaoshax: Telemetry data back and also waypoints
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[14:31] <aditsu> KrnlPanic: well, you can probably access ram in a similar way using the gpio pins, and it would be similarly slow
[14:31] <chaoshax> Crenn-NAS: I see, so you will use a netbook then? Is this for ardupilot by any chance?
[14:32] <Crenn-NAS> Netbook in what sense? I'm planning on designing a UAV controller board around the STM32F4
[14:32] <chaoshax> Crenn-NAS: For setting waypoints.
[14:32] <KrnlPanic> aditsu: Forgive me for sounding like a complete idiot, but isn't that the function of swap anyways? I 'can use' linux however I am not that knowledgable..
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> Crenn-NAS: you're familiar with ##electronics and ##highaltitude?
[14:33] <KrnlPanic> aditsu: So just adding swap would amount, basically, to the same thing?
[14:33] <chaoshax> SpeedEvil: It's illegal to go >400 ft, doesn't stop some people doing it though
[14:33] <aditsu> KrnlPanic: yeah I think swap would be a better option on the pi; it's all about the speed
[14:33] <chaoshax> The record is 15k feet.
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> chaoshax: It varies depending on where you are.
[14:34] <chaoshax> Yeah but in the UK and mostly Europe has limits.
[14:34] <chaoshax> US has none.
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> I have the bits for a design that was to ascend to 4km in ~3 minutes, take a gigapixel pan, and then autoland.
[14:34] <chaoshax> Autoland?
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> Vertical up, vertical down.
[14:34] <KrnlPanic> aditsu: Ok, thanks for your input, I need to make sure I have a swap partition and swap enabled on my Arch install
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> chaoshax: On the takeoff spot.
[14:34] <chaoshax> OK.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> holy bit-banging IO, batman.
[14:35] <Crenn-NAS> chaoshax: I'll be able to have a flight plan set up, but I could use a netbook connected to the transmitter to do it
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> Extracting some data off an SD card on my laptop and it appears to use bit-banging to theextent that the mouse stops working )-:
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> If you want altitude, one way is to optimise vertical climb, at the expense of everything else.
[14:35] <Crenn-NAS> Electronics, I think I'm in, not highaltitude though
[14:35] <chaoshax> Crenn-NAS: I see, good luck then, check out the multiwii project.
[14:35] <aditsu> KrnlPanic: much better if you can fit within the available ram
[14:37] <chaoshax> Crenn-NAS: And there's also #aeroquad which is stm32 based.
[14:37] <Crenn-NAS> chaoshax: Thanks, I'm going to need the luck, this is my first 'stand alone' PCB project
[14:37] <Crenn-NAS> It's not exactly an easy task
[14:37] <chaoshax> Why not prototype with a discovery?
[14:37] <Crenn-NAS> chaoshax: I will be
[14:37] <KrnlPanic> aditsu: You mean, better if the app I am running can fit within ram rather than being pushed to swap?
[14:38] <Crenn-NAS> Although there isn't a discovery of the F2 series if I recall
[14:38] <chaoshax> Crenn-NAS: I would sort that code out then shrink :p
[14:38] <Crenn-NAS> I have a F4 though
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[14:38] <aditsu> KrnlPanic: definitely
[14:38] <chaoshax> Crenn-NAS: Though isn't xbee just serial?
[14:39] <chaoshax> You just parse it serial data and it sends it off?
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[14:40] <KrnlPanic> aditsu: Gotya. So, from what I am understanding, if I know I am about to start something that requires a large amount of ram, I should kill apps to make room for the new process?
[14:40] <Crenn-NAS> chaoshax: That's what I plan to do ;P http://crennsmind.com/index.php/current-projects/turnigy-9x-stm/80-turnigy-9x-replacement-board
[14:40] * KrnlPanic needs to invest in a good Linux book
[14:41] <chaoshax> Crenn-NAS: Ahh cool, that might easily work. What flight controller are you gonna use then?
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[14:41] <Mr_Sheesh> aditsu, that's an interesting link :) TY
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[14:41] <Crenn-NAS> What do you mean by flight controller? As in flight management software?
[14:41] <chaoshax> Crenn-NAS: On the actual plane.
[14:42] <aditsu> KrnlPanic: as long as they're not essential; otherwise, use the swap; make sure to use the 224MB config anyway (unless you need fancy graphics)
[14:42] <Crenn-NAS> chaoshax: Custom board based around the STM32F4
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[14:43] <KrnlPanic> aditsu: LoL, 224MB config? You lost me now.. lemme get this basics down and we'll come back to that.. ;)
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[14:43] <aditsu> KrnlPanic: that's pi-specific; look in /boot
[14:44] <KrnlPanic> aditsu: I've looked around at that file, I will spend some more time with it this evening...
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[14:45] <lapache> Hi, I have a RPi with 40mo SD card, which system would be convenient for running webserver , sshserver and other light services ?
[14:46] <zeeZ> it has 40 Mondays?
[14:46] <ReggieUK> 40 months silly
[14:46] <Crenn-NAS> Month old I'm guessing
[14:46] <nid0> squeeze, wheezy, or raspbian
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> mega octet
[14:47] <dmanser> =)
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> =byte
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[14:47] <Crenn-NAS> lapache: I'm using nginx and the default sshserver
[14:47] <zeeZ> how is that relevant? I had one lying around in a drawer for years
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> Though on reflection, I question if anyone sold 40MB cards.
[14:48] <Artheist> hi
[14:48] <zeeZ> you could wait another 8 months and celebrate its birthday?
[14:49] <ReggieUK> anyway, it was a small m so is that millioctets?
[14:49] <lapache> SpeedEvil, Lol it was old Mobile phone SDCard
[14:49] <Maior> even DSL needs 50MB iirc
[14:49] <lapache> Sorry 40Mb SDCard yes
[14:49] <Artheist> dunno if it's the right place to ask, but right after an update/upgrade on debian squeeze lxde
[14:49] <Artheist> I lost my panel bar at the bottom of the screen
[14:50] <Artheist> very annoying
[14:50] <lapache> Crenn-NAS, Do you use busybox ? On which kernel ? =p
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[14:50] <Artheist> and when doing lxpanel --profile LXDE it says config files are not found ...
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[14:52] <Arch-RPi> i dont think they ever sold a 40 meg sd card, it was CF at that time wasnt it?
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[14:53] <Crenn-NAS> lapache: I use the Wheezy debian build ;P
[14:53] <Crenn-NAS> My router does use busybox though
[14:54] <Arch-RPi> i though busybox was for squash/jffs devices?
[14:54] <lapache> Crenn-NAS, ^^ ok, but my problem is to running it on 40MB.
[14:55] <chaoshax> Don't even try.
[14:55] <lapache> Busybox is just a lightweight bash with basicall commands in one executable
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[14:56] <Arch-RPi> lapache: right i know but the rpi doesnt need that...i mean i dont see the advantage
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[14:57] <lapache> Busybox embeds tiny sshd & httpd.
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[15:03] <Matt> busybox is a handy thing to have around
[15:04] <ReggieUK> indeed
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[15:05] <ReggieUK> http://code.google.com/p/homecmos/
[15:05] <KrnlPanic> So if I enable SSH on my RPi, I should be able to PuTTY into it from any machine and control it from there no?
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[15:06] <NucWin> KrnlPanic thats how i always play with pi
[15:07] <NucWin> arch ftw
[15:07] <KrnlPanic> NucWin: Awesome. Thanks! arch here too
[15:07] <NucWin> it might already be enabled
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[15:08] <muep> ssh works the same for most unix-like operating systems, though
[15:08] <NucWin> /etc/rc.conf <-- the last line
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[15:13] <XeCrypt> mornin
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[15:22] <acperkins> RISC OS booting on my Pi woo! \o/
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[15:40] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. Trying to book a train ticket to get to cambridge on saturday. bit of a mienfield.
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> even a minefield too.
[15:41] <Gadgetoid> Sie Field? Nein! Das ist MEIN field!
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[15:45] <M0RBD> Gadgetoid: Was is los?
[15:45] <chaoshax> if you split them up usually it's cheaper.
[15:45] <M0RBD> Haben sie Schmerz?
[15:46] <booyaa> der geblinken lights!
[15:46] <Gadgetoid> M0RBD: gordonDrogon hast mein field gerstolenthieved
[15:46] <Gadgetoid> gestohlen??? haha, amazing how close that is to my cliched mental image of the German for "stolen"
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[15:47] <M0RBD> Dann wir mussen Derick aus den KriminalPolizei anrufen..
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[15:47] <Gadgetoid> Ayyoo!
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[15:48] * M0RBD tries not to mention the war.
[15:49] * Gadgetoid remembers that Harry Enfield sketch
[15:49] <ReggieUK> fawlty towers
[15:49] <M0RBD> ReggieUK: indeed.
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[15:50] <ReggieUK> makes me chuckle just to think about it
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[15:52] <drazyl> you started it!
[15:52] <ReggieUK> probably best we don't act it out on here thanks :)
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> Does anyone have any Cheddar?
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> right. that's done. found a site that wouldn't add on a booking and card processing fees.
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, as in cheese? Yes...
[15:53] <Arch1mede> SpeedEvil: we used it all up getting some rpi...MMMMMmmmmm piiiiiii
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> anyone here going to the Cambridge Raspberry Jam ot Saturday then?
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[15:54] <Joshun> hi
[15:54] <Joshun> does anybody know how to sort out this sound issue:
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> I put the camera on some old hard drives. not looking "up" at the VDU now :)
[15:54] <Joshun> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[15:54] <Joshun> the sound module is loaded
[15:54] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: are tehre any tickets available still?
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, supposedly the last few being dished out today...
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> http://raspberrycambridge.eventbrite.com/
[15:56] <Joshun> sound works fine
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> it's a long way to go, but I want to meet up with 1 or 2 people there...
[15:56] <Joshun> mixer volume can't be changed though
[15:56] <Gadgetoid> As close as it is, sadly I cannot go :(
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[15:57] <gordonDrogon> Gosh. Look at the time: http://wt.drogon.net:8080/ almsot lunch time.
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[15:58] <booyaa> ooof, man i really need to get a car, still a pita to get to via train (lives in colchester)
[15:59] <Joshun> anybody using raspbian and know why the mixer can't be changed?
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[15:59] <gordonDrogon> I'm in Devon - train via London/tube/
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[15:59] <booyaa> early start for you then eh?
[15:59] <booyaa> stop shaming me into go gordonDrogon ;P
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[16:01] <gordonDrogon> Heh... 6:05 departure on Sat. morning. staying over with a friend in Cb on sat. night though (probably)
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[16:01] <gordonDrogon> although I have the option of going back that evening, but the train is at 6:15pm ...
[16:01] <booyaa> yeah good idea, did a thing on saturday 8-5 from surbiton to bristol
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> I'd end up spending 11 hours of the day on a train. Still. done worse.
[16:01] <Joshun> i'll try purging alsa-base
[16:01] <booyaa> i was utterly exhausted
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> and here was me thinking Surbiton was a fictional place in the Good Life ...
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[16:02] <booyaa> hahah no it really exists
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> amazing.
[16:03] <booyaa> and yes i had an allotment we didn't have any space for the goats in our garden
[16:03] <booyaa> lovely place, dead handy to get into london (17mins to waterloo)
[16:04] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: is there any more info on what the speakers will be covering?
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, not that I know of - I know Gert will have a 'desk' there demoing Gertboard and I've arranged to meet him...
[16:05] <Gadgetoid> Deary me, authoring a Python class is going to be several flavours of pain
[16:05] <Joshun> reinstalling didn't work
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[16:06] <Joshun> ah
[16:06] <Joshun> alsamixer can only be run as root
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> We had goats in my garden.
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> oh?
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> I used to have chickens in mine.
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> until the fox ate them.
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[16:07] <booyaa> :(
[16:07] <booyaa> only take one of them to be attack and the rest will almost certainly stop laying
[16:07] <Weaselweb> Joshun: this should not be necessary
[16:07] <booyaa> friend was rather chuffed his hen house defeated a fox
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> fox pulled of their heads.
[16:08] <booyaa> eww
[16:08] <Joshun> Weaselweb - otherwise i just get cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[16:08] <Joshun> maybe a permissions problem
[16:08] <Joshun> where is the 'mixer file'
[16:08] <ReggieUK> it's in /dev/
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[16:09] <Joshun> does the user have to be a group of something?
[16:09] <ReggieUK> probably
[16:09] <Weaselweb> Joshun: check the access richgs in /dev/snd/
[16:09] <dirty_d> for science! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHhHdPNOIQA
[16:09] <Joshun> i added my user to the group audio
[16:10] <ReggieUK> dirty_d, a warning for nfsw would've been nice!
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[16:10] <freezer> hi
[16:10] <ReggieUK> nsfw*
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[16:10] <Joshun> ah
[16:10] <Joshun> that solved the problem
[16:10] <dirty_d> ReggieUK, huh? thats sfw
[16:10] <Joshun> had to reboot but it worked
[16:11] <dirty_d> oh the swearing
[16:11] <ReggieUK> really? did you listen to the audio?
[16:11] <ReggieUK> yes :)
[16:11] <Weaselweb> Joshun: relogin should be anough
[16:11] <dirty_d> sorry, lol
[16:11] <ReggieUK> np
[16:11] <Joshun> yeah probably
[16:11] <Joshun> reboots fast anyway
[16:11] <dirty_d> i always have my audio so low no one else can hear it
[16:12] <KrnlPanic> Mornin XeCrypt
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[16:19] <Joshun> alsa stuff just crashes on me now
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[16:19] <Joshun> no idea why
[16:20] <Joshun> ALSA: failed to open pcm device (default): Device or resource busy
[16:22] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: How goes WiringPi?
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[16:34] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it goes ok. gpio can now export the /sys/class/gpio properly and wiringPi itself can also use them, so no root access needed at all. just got to finish some documentation for it...
[16:34] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Awesome news!
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I have also cached the file descriptors too, so hopefully it won't be too slow when using /sys/class stuff, but I'm going to do some benchamrks this afternoon.
[16:35] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm sure a few people will benchmark the Python version, too, there's a lot of interest in it
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> re-arranging my Pis right now so I have the Wheezy image on the right one.
[16:35] <Gadgetoid> It will be very interesting to see how it compares to RPi.GPIO which uses the same method, but implemented in Python rather than C afaik
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> having to use wheezy has somewhat irritated me, however I'll live with it.
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, you should be able to use the standard python RPi.GPIO module with my stuff - use the gpio program to setup the exports then run the python program without sudo...
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> obviously removing the export functions from the Python program first.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> so you have a shell script that looks like: gpio export 17 out ; gpio export 18 out ; gpio export 0 in
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> and so on.
[16:37] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Aye, true, that'd be at the authors discretion though??? I'll just motivate him by continuing to produce a faster library based directly on WiringPi
[16:38] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I've implemented shiftOutWithDelay as an experimental function in C, as WiringPi *may* be shifting out too fast for some components to handle
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, too fast? wow ...
[16:41] <Gadgetoid> Haha, yup! It's either too fast for the LCD (likely) or too fast for the Pi itself to produce any meaningful signal (possible, but probably not likely)
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[16:42] <gordonDrogon> just odered another LDC from SKP and some 7-segment LED modules too.
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> *LCD - standard 20x4 line display.
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> might as well make sure my library can handle 1,2 and 4 line LCDs.
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> and 4 or 8 bit data.
[16:44] <freezer> my Pi is lying powerless in the corner for a month now
[16:44] <freezer> no time :P
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> order another and sell it to someone ...
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[16:45] <freezer> do you get a good price still?
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[16:46] * hamitron worries that will happen to the one he just ordered too
[16:46] <Joshun> what is the recommended size for /boot?
[16:46] <Joshun> would 50mb be enough?
[16:46] <hamitron> depends how much you want to put in there?
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> ebay - BIN's from ?200 (wow!) to ?50.
[16:47] <blueskies> why not test it out Joshun? isnt that what raspberry pi is all about
[16:47] <Gadgetoid> I'd go >200mb on /boot just to play it safe
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> next highest from the 200 is ?109 though.
[16:48] <Joshun> just wondering
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> 64MB for /boot is more than enough, but as hamitron says - it all depends on what you want to put in it!
[16:48] <Joshun> ok
[16:48] <Joshun> i'll do 64 then
[16:48] <Joshun> thanks
[16:48] <hamitron> I'm hoping to fit everything into something as small (but functional) as I can
[16:48] <hamitron> :)
[16:49] <hamitron> just not decided what functions I consider needed to make it functional yet
[16:49] <hamitron> :/
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[16:51] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/boot.txt is a du -sm * | sort -rn of /boot on one of my Pi's.
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[16:53] <blueskies> has anyone used the emulation of pi in windows?
[16:54] <Arch1mede> blueskies: i think alot did prior to getting there rpi
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[16:54] <blueskies> so how do you compare it to rpi? (speed wise etc.)
[16:55] <Arch1mede> ReggieUK: when does the channel register thing go into effect? or has it already?
[16:55] <Arch1mede> blueskies: no idea really...i personally never used it prior to getting it
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> I ran qemu on a Linux box before I got a Pi.
[16:57] <blueskies> i see, is it slow? hard for beginners to start using, and like learn programming?
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> it was slower, but my Linux box at the time was a somewhat old 1.75MHz Athlon...
[16:57] <blueskies> thanks gordon
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> if you want to learn programming you don't need a Pi as such.
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[16:59] <blueskies> yeah, i know. whats its main uses i guess my other question is. (i just bought one cos it looks cool)
[16:59] <Arch1mede> ohh it is very kewl
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[17:00] <blueskies> im quite intrested in its GPIO
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[17:00] <blueskies> is it like a PLC?
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> no
[17:01] <blueskies> sigh lol whats its main uses
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> well..
[17:01] <Maior> yeah I need to make myself a tiiiny dev breakout board for that
[17:01] <Maior> to trigger my alarm clock
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> there are a number of pins you can control for outputs or set for inputs.
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> but there isn't (to my knowledge) anything like ladder logic to control them.
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[17:02] <gordonDrogon> however you can control them via programs written in BASIC, C, Python, etc.
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> The Pi is a small, but functional Linux PC.
[17:02] <blueskies> thats cool, so when you say control what does that mean?
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> set the pins to login 1 or 0 - 3.3v or 0v.
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> *logic
[17:03] <blueskies> thought so :)
[17:03] <blueskies> i like indeed
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> but you need to write programs to do it - or type commands.
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> but not in ladder like on a PLC...
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> actually, it's been a few years since I last used a PLC - do they still use ladder? Hm... I wrote a ladder replacement once for one companys kit ...
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[17:04] <gordonDrogon> I called it AFLPL.
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[17:04] <gordonDrogon> A Fairy Light Programming Language.
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> Because the first thing I did with it was to control the companys xmas tree lights ;-)
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> via ?20K's worth of hardware!!!
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> fun days.
[17:05] <blueskies> haha :) thats cool
[17:05] <Weaselweb> afaik a PLC can be programmed in several languages. at least that's the theory
[17:05] <KrnlPanic> Joshun: Yes, add user to group 'audio', also make sure audio module is loaded (sorry if this has already been mentioned)
[17:05] <blueskies> i have no idea, PLC's are just something ive heard about
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, doesn't surprise me in these enlightened times ....
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, although I was speaking to someone a few years ago who was in the middle of a factory re-fit and he was still talking about getting in contractors to re-do all the ladder logic in their control systems. It did somewhat surprise me!
[17:06] <Joshun> KrnlPanic - yeah i may have broken it when i resized the sd card. i'm reimaging it, thanks anyway though
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[17:07] <reider59> Is it ever going to be legal to shoot the postman?
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> reider59, My postie is good.... Want to keep him as long as possible!!!
[17:08] <adama> reider59: if you can get him to speak french whilst walking up the beach on jersey, sure
[17:08] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: (checked wikipedia upon ladder logic now). it seems this is one possibility for the non-programmer :) all I saw so far was a C like language
[17:08] <adama> (this may not be true)
[17:08] <reider59> Today he brought me an LCD Module in a box clearly marked "Fragile", even had white and red chevrons around it. What did he do? dropped it through the letterbox.
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[17:08] <Gadgetoid> reider59: :(
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[17:08] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, it's something that hardware engineers of old seem to like - they can visualise their 'logic' in an on-screen format.... Have to say, it does have some good things going to it.
[17:09] <reider59> Thank God for bubble wrap, assuming it works
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[17:10] <gordonDrogon> I've even got a ladder programming certificate somewhere - went on a 4-day course at TI to do it onceuponatime...
[17:10] <Weaselweb> gardar: hardware know how to connect transistors and stuff, but have no idea on programming ;-)
[17:10] <reider59> Nice large plastic container with a lid though, I can put a few electronic bits in that now I washed the label off. At last a home fitting for the male/female jump leads
[17:10] <Weaselweb> gardar: sry, wrong highlight
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[17:11] <mcscruff> hi all, im using omxplayer , but when i play a file (widescreen) it does not black out the top and bottom border so i am still able to see my desktop and/or screensaver in the borders
[17:12] <blueskies> gordonDrogon: is it complex to use GPIO im assuming it starts simple and you can work from there with it?
[17:12] <Gadgetoid> blueskies: As simple as you like, in both software and hardware, yes
[17:13] <blueskies> gadetoid: thanks, for example you should be able to make a shutdown button?
[17:14] <Weaselweb> blueskies: if the rpi supports gpiolib checkout /sys/class/gpio for an easy access
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[17:15] <blueskies> Weaselweb: sorry dont understand
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[17:16] <Gadgetoid> blueskies: Possible in a variety of ways??? although most people seem to short live to ground??? I'm not sure if that's a joke or not :D
[17:16] <Weaselweb> if someone can confirm the rpi has gpiolib support (I assume it has, I don't own one yet). you can access the gpios through /sys/class/gpio from userspace
[17:16] <Gadgetoid> Weaselweb: Yes, you can access /sys/class/gpio after exporting them as root
[17:16] <Maior> alas mine has frozen again :(
[17:16] <Gadgetoid> Weaselweb: but /sys/class/gpio is *slow* no matter how you approach it
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[17:17] <Gadgetoid> I still prefer gordonDrogon's original method, even if it requires root
[17:17] <blueskies> which was?
[17:18] <Gadgetoid> I've just updated WiringPython with a class-based wrapper, for OO goodness!
[17:18] <Gadgetoid> blueskies: voodoo magic or something??? I've wrapped his C library up for Python and Ruby, with Perl to come
[17:19] <Gadgetoid> Any real Python users are free to tell my why this is horrible (it probably is): https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPython/blob/master/wiringpi_class.py
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[17:19] <blueskies> haha, all this stuff is complex for me. how did you learn all this stuff?
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[17:20] <Weaselweb> Gadgetoid: ehm, afaik /sys/class/gpio is the only default userspace access to GPIOs
[17:20] <Gadgetoid> Weaselweb: the other way isn't userspace, at all, which is why it requires root
[17:20] <Blazemore|work> There are APIs for languages like Python though
[17:20] <Blazemore|work> Sorry if this counts as spam, but I'm selling my Raspberry Pi (worldwide as well) on eBay here dashify.me/iau
[17:21] <Gadgetoid> blueskies: I'd personally recommend Ruby :)
[17:21] <Gadgetoid> blueskies: 'cos you can install ruby and ruby-dev, then just "gem install wiringpi" to get a GPIO library up and running
[17:21] <blueskies> gadetoid:ok ill have to check it out thanks :)
[17:21] <Blazemore|work> Whatever's your poison
[17:21] <reider59> I`d sell my Mum before my RasPi
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, the /sys/class/gpio access still requires root...
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> by default.
[17:21] <reider59> besides, she gets on my nerves
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> and arguably, it could be said that you should be root to noodle the IO, however ...
[17:22] <Weaselweb> Gadgetoid: ok, kernel space access to GPIOs is a different matter, but pretty much the same as userspace gpiolib access
[17:22] <Gadgetoid> blueskies: Python is a bit more readily available if you don't mine running a couple of commands to install the library
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> with the Pi we want easy userland access to GPIO IMO ...
[17:22] <Gadgetoid> mind*
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[17:22] <Gadgetoid> Weaselweb: Only it's an order of magnitude faster
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> yes indeedy!
[17:23] <Weaselweb> Gadgetoid: sure, but compare create your own kernel module compared to some shell commands
[17:23] <Gadgetoid> Weaselweb: no need to create any kernel module, it's just a C-library away
[17:23] <Weaselweb> for just simply setting a GPIO /sys/class/gpio is enough
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[17:23] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, I've written some program to make it easy from the command-line ... GPIO from shell-scripts is possible :)
[17:23] <blueskies> Gadgetoid: ive played with python a bit before, so it would be better. though if i can get into ruby it would be a good place to start i guess
[17:23] <Weaselweb> Gadgetoid: sources of this c lib?
[17:24] <Gadgetoid> blueskies: Go for Python, then, if you're comfortable with it!
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[17:24] <Gadgetoid> Weaselweb: it's not up to date with gordonDrogon's latest work (which adds /sys/class/gpio support too, for completeness) but this is the important file: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPi/blob/master/wiringPi/wiringPi.c
[17:24] <Blazemore|work> I think if you're not comfortable with programming, Python is quite intuitive
[17:25] <Gadgetoid> Blazemore|work: I'm so glad you didn't say "expressive" :D
[17:25] <Gadgetoid> blueskies: to get GPIO up and running on Python, go here: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPython
[17:26] <Gadgetoid> blueskies: And just be aware that until I merge gordonDrogon's latest changes in, you will *always* need to run Python as root
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[17:27] <blueskies> so i just download, then build "python setup.py build_ext --inplace" and install "sudo python setup.py install" thats it? (been a while since i used python, also i know python is on rpi by default is that all i need?)
[17:27] <Gadgetoid> blueskies: I'm pretty sure you can just "sudo python setup.py install" and it'll do all the build stuff automagically
[17:27] <Weaselweb> Gadgetoid: well, mmapping the hardware is a different approach. but imo you won't be able to get (real) interrupts
[17:28] <Gadgetoid> blueskies: Make sure you "apt-get install python-dev" first
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> yet.
[17:28] <Blazemore|work> Is it on in easy_install?
[17:28] <Weaselweb> though I don't like mmaping the hardware into userspace at all
[17:28] <Gadgetoid> Weaselweb: Haha, I don't have to worry about the tricky stuff :D
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, don't mmap - let someone else do it... e.g. wiringPi ...
[17:28] <blueskies> ok great that sounds easy
[17:29] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: i mean wiringPi. it's like rewriting the driver for the hardware again
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[17:29] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, oh sure. sort of. but if you need speed then low-level access is the only way right now.
[17:30] <blueskies> sorry to bother you guys again but once ive done that, what would be a first script? say powering a led or something? if not to much trouble could you show me what that would look like?
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, and people are already doing stuff with the gpio that probably isn't done in 'traditional' settings - even stuff I don't agree with doing like stepper motor control and so on.
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, gpio -g mode 17 out ; gpio -g write 17 1
[17:32] <blueskies> cool is there a site do you think that would explain that?
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[17:32] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: well. I do a lot of kernel development. so it is clear which approach I would go :) AFAICS wiringPi is for using python to access GPIOs
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[17:33] <Mr_Sheesh> I'd hope if they're using the gpios for stepper motor control etc. that they look into keeping the gpoi bits safe with zeners or something
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, actually, wiringPi is for using C to access GPIO, but soke kind souls (ie. Gadgetoid ) is writing python & ruby wrappers for it ..
[17:34] <RAThomas> I'd use opto isolators myself. I think the generic objection is to using Linux to directly control mechanical systems.
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> s/soke/some/
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Sheesh, who cares for now - the Pi won't drive a stepper directly, so it needs buffering anyway.
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, don't copmlicate things - there are plenty of perfectly good driver chips designed to work safely from logic to control motors, etc.
[17:35] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: well, if speed actually _is_ a matter there aren't real alternatives to kernel mode drivers
[17:35] <Mr_Sheesh> RAThomas - optos work too. Good point, though you can make a RTOS with Linux same as with DOS & all
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, hey, what do I know - I'm just making life easy for me...
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, and sharing my code.
[17:35] <Mr_Sheesh> gordonDrogon - Truly. And back EMF protection isn't just a good idea :)
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[17:36] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: and there is nothing wrong about that. feel free to do what you want :) I just tried to give some experiences
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[17:36] <RAThomas> Mr_Sheesh: I've used the PREEMPT_RT patch in the past. Anything I've needed for RT is in the mainline now
[17:36] <Habstinat> Despite the fact that there are no processes running on /dev/tty2 and I have no X servers right now, when I try to switch to it I just get a blinking white cursor. Is there any way I can use this tty for a bash shell?
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, from my observations and chats, we have a lot of people coming into the Pi from the likes of Arduino and other simple sorts of controllers - make their life easy and the Pi will get more adoption - IMO anyway.
[17:37] <Mr_Sheesh> Good to know RAThomas, TY
[17:37] <Gadgetoid> Ultimately I don't care for the politics of GPIO access and will do whatever pleases me ;)
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, have you seen the guys making a logic analyser out of a Pi? they're stopping interrupts for 5's/10's of seconds while they do the capture..
[17:37] <Gadgetoid> BRB meeting!
[17:38] <Habstinat> I'm running Arch Linux by the way, sorry it wasn't mentioned previously.
[17:38] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: sure, compared to those user I would describe myself as advanced user, especially concerning linux (kernel) programming
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, wish I had time to do some kernel work, but it's just not on my need to do right now...
[17:39] <Weaselweb> hint: depending on what you try to do, JTAG is essential
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[17:40] <cjbaird> A Wiggler-style JTAG interface...?
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[17:40] <Joshun> anybody know how to get the raspbian installer to boot
[17:40] <Joshun> it complains about not being able to find the root filesystem
[17:40] <blueskies> woot, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/ this helps alot.
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[17:41] <maden> hi
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, that's mine... feel free to ask anything ...
[17:43] <mcscruff> when i play a file through omxplayer that is not the same aspect ratio as the TV i am still able to see my desktop on the border
[17:43] <mcscruff> is there a way to make these black
[17:43] <blueskies> gordonDrogon: :) will do sadly, i will likely have to wait for my rpi to arrive but i can setup and practice i think. (these things are so complicated for me, are you just born smart, like how have you learn about all these things.)
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, I'm old... seem to have a good memory for technology. poor one for names...
[17:45] <blueskies> gordonDrogon: good theres still hope for me yet. (i'm 24 this year)
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, I'm very slightly double your age ;-)
[17:46] <blueskies> gordonDrogon: is your background programming?
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[17:46] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, Yes. Since about the age of 15 when computers were invented ;-)
[17:46] * RAThomas trails gordonDrogon by just a few years
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> I'll be 50 before this year is out.
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[17:47] <gordonDrogon> and thoroughly enjoying it!
[17:47] <blueskies> haha cool :)
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[17:47] <blueskies> can a similar effect as a GPIO but done with serial port?
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> Hm. about 1977/78. School had dialup on a tty33 to the local computer centre. then in 78 they got an Apple II, PET and a Trs80 I was invited to be part of the team to choose the computer the school would use - the apple won hands-down...
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, do you mean use a serial port to control "stuff" ?
[17:48] <blueskies> yeah i guess so, on off etc
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> if you connect the seral port to another computer which has GPIO and write some co-operating software then yes.
[17:49] <blueskies> hmm but not like pin 1 +3.3 or whatever
[17:49] <RAThomas> blueskies: you could use something like the Velleman K8055 USB kit
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> e.g. this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg is a Pi talking to an Arduino over the serial (USB) line and there is a fairly dumb program in the Arduino that just interprets commands and does what the program on the Pi asks.
[17:50] <RAThomas> http://www.velleman.eu/products/view/?country=be&lang=en&id=351346
[17:50] <Weaselweb> serial port RS232 is not 0 and +3.3V
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> so the program on the pi says: turn pin 1 on, or read the button on pin 5, etc.
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[17:52] <blueskies> i see, so with pi read just means if 3.3 then 1/if 0 then 0?
[17:52] <blueskies> of course not, silly me. how does the serial cable work im assuming it does have 0 and another voltage?
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, for the Pi's own GPIO yes - it runs at 3.3v.
[17:52] <Tachyon`> I think it is 0/3.3
[17:53] <Tachyon`> max233 etc. needed I'd assume
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> the Pi's own serial interface is 3.3v, so needs boosting/buffering etc.
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> but if you use a usb serial cable, it's all more or less taken care of.
[17:53] <Joshun> got the rootfs thing to work, now it can't find init
[17:54] <Tachyon`> it's perhaps not mounting the correct fs then
[17:54] <Tachyon`> or the structure on the fs isn't as it should be
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[18:11] <RAThomas> anyone here messed with hardfp on the Pi?
[18:12] <blueskies> gordonDrogon: you mentioned Arduino before, have you hand build one before lol?
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[18:14] <RAThomas> blueskies: I got that Velleman kit I mentioned at Radio Shack here in the US. Pretty sure it's available in your area too. It's a nice kit to build, all thru-hole components.
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[18:17] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, I've not hand-built an arduino, but I have hand-made systems based on the same chip - the ATmega.
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[18:18] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, yes. I'm running raspbian and have compiled stuff for hardfp under debian/wheezy.
[18:19] <RAThomas> I ported some existing radar processing code to try it on the Pi... it worked, but I had to throttle the data rate wayyyy back. Interested in seeing if hardfp would make a huge difference
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[18:22] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Got to say, you give me hope that I'll be able to cling to a life of programming into my advanced years!
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[18:23] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: On the flip side, technology moves so fast that I'm not sure I'll be able to identify a computer in 20 years
[18:23] <nrdb> RAThomas, one another way is to use integer maths as fixed point floats. If you got access to the source.
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, you'll see a small improvement with simply adding: -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s to the CFLAGS in your Makefile.
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, you'll see a bigger improvement under Raspbian.
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yea, it's been fun - but I keep wondering if something will actualy change from what it's like now - I have to say that in 30 years I don't think I've really seen anything so new or different that it's really "grabbed me" ...
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[18:26] <gordonDrogon> so 30 years ago, I had "glass ttys" on a unix machine, today I have multiple X terms on a unix machine...
[18:26] <RAThomas> nrdb: yeah, my old Nexrad code from 1989 uses all integer math with a sine/cosine lookup table. This stuff is third party code that I'd rather not wade to deeply into ;)
[18:27] <nrdb> RAThomas, know that feeling.
[18:28] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I suspect that in 20 years, all programming will be abstracted away to simply: Make.application('game where you fight laser-equipped badgers in space using nothing but water and a gravity beam')
[18:28] <nrdb> saw an article where they had turned carbon into a semiconductor... so it might be posssible to make an IC out of carbon ... including the wires.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, They tried that with the so-called 4th generation languages in the 80's ...
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> then there were the 'expert systems' that just looked like pages and pages of if-then-else to me ;-)
[18:29] <nrdb> Gadgetoid, not without A.I. and that seems increasingly unlikely.
[18:29] <RAThomas> gordonDrogon: thanks for the tips.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> I remember a program called "the last one" too ... wonder what happened to that :)
[18:30] <blueskies> gordonDrogon: You mention you had to run as root to control the pins, not sure but does this help? https://github.com/quick2wire/quick2wire-gpio-admin
[18:30] <drazyl> gordonDrogon they never made another :)
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_One_%28software%29
[18:30] <drazyl> yeah, I am old enough to remember the ads in magazines for it
[18:31] <Gadgetoid> blueskies: I imagine that tool would need run as root, or adds itself into the sudoers
[18:31] <Gadgetoid> Right, hometime :D
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, ah, that's what romily's been doing. more or less the same as me.
[18:31] <blueskies> yeah, it does. once it ran it doesnt require sudo access i belive
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> that's exactly the same as my gpio then.
[18:32] <blueskies> ohhh cool
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> looks like he creates a group to put it in - I just change ownership to the user running the gpio command.
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[18:33] <blueskies> yeah, pretty much same thing then. well execpt all users can most likely run access the pins
[18:33] * gordonDrogon nods.
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> well all users in the 'gpio' group.
[18:33] <blueskies> yeh
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[18:33] <Artheist> hey, openGL question here
[18:34] <blueskies> sounds like a better way (thinking about active directory ideas)
[18:34] <blueskies> lol
[18:34] <Artheist> how to enable glx for rapspi (note I'am using vnc if needed)
[18:34] <Artheist> *relevant
[18:34] <muep> I do not think there is glx for raspberry pi yet
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[18:35] <muep> there are working opengl es program examples under in the /opt/vc directory, though
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[18:35] <Artheist> well this example did not work either last time I tried
[18:35] <Artheist> try again
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[18:36] <muep> at least the ones in the squeeze image did work pretty much out of the box on the rpi I have. but quite likely they will not work over vnc
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[18:36] <Artheist> I see
[18:37] <Artheist> hello_audio and world works but not video and triangle
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[18:37] <muep> your vnc server will likely show just things which use X to show themselves. the gles example does not use X
[18:37] <Artheist> unfortunately I don't have a spare screen to test out without vnc
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[18:38] <blueskies> wow, its 2:30am thanks everyone for your help especially you gordon :)
[18:38] <blueskies> im off to bed
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> g'night :)
[18:38] <nrdb> blueskies, bye
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[18:40] <Artheist> muep : during my search I stumble upon this : http://www.virtualgl.org/
[18:40] <Artheist> don't know if it makes sense
[18:40] <muep> Artheist: sorry, I do not have www access right now
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[18:42] <Artheist> no pb.
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[18:42] <Artheist> btw, it seems to work via ssh -X but it flickers ...
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[18:45] <mogul> If you feel bored you could do me a favour and read http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10581 , comments on what to try next are most welcome
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[18:49] <Maior> aside, my hardware-fu is weak, how crazy would it be to make/have a power adapter powering both RasPi and a USB hub?
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[18:49] <Maior> (avoiding the circular stuff
[18:49] <Maior> )
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> Maior, that's exactly what I'm doing right now.
[18:50] <Maior> (my alarm clock needs wifi...)
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> Maior, I have a powered hub and one usb outlet on the hub is powering the Pi.
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[18:51] <zeeZ> if you have the pi power your hub, and your hub powers your pi...
[18:51] <Maior> gordonDrogon: you mean you're doing USB hub loop atm and want to switch, or?
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mess3.jpg
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> the hub powers the pi.
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> short grey cable.
[18:51] <Maior> zeeZ: hub is powered, powers pi
[18:51] <zeeZ> infinite power!
[18:51] <Maior> zeeZ: pi fans out USB over hub
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> and the hub has an uplink cable plugged into the Pi.
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> the uplink cable isn't too visible in that photo though.
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[18:52] <gordonDrogon> it comes from between the grey cable and the hub's power cable, goes over the top of the Pi and under the red lid.
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[18:55] <gordonDrogon> Hm. any udev exprts here? I have a Pi loading modules at boot that I don't want loaded )-:
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> I have fscking udev.
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[18:58] <MrZYX> (<- not an udev expert) don't you want them at all or just not at boot? Cause for the former I'd just blacklist them
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> I want none of them at boot.
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> I want to be able to modprobe them when/if I need them (i2c and spi)
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> the spi driver sets 2 pins to output and turns them on - not a good idea IMO.
[19:00] <RAThomas> you can set a rule for udev to ignore devices
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[19:02] <gordonDrogon> I don't even know why I'm running udev in the first place, but Xorg seems to need it now )-:
[19:02] <RAThomas> Oh, heck. I don't even see those devices. Who's raspian image are you using?
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> image is independant of kernel. I'm using a self-compiled kernel 3.2.21 from bootc.
[19:03] <MrZYX> just figured blacklisting will work since you apparently can modprobe blacklisted modules
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[19:05] <gordonDrogon> heh... ok. googled how to blacklist it. thanks for the pointer.
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> the udev rules are different for debian/wheezy and raspbian. joy!
[19:07] <MrZYX> woah just ran lsmod on my arch pi for the first time:
[19:07] <MrZYX> [mrzyx@alarmpi ~]$ lsmod
[19:07] <MrZYX> Module Size Used by
[19:07] <MrZYX> ipv6 221660 10
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> I compiled that in...
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[19:08] <MrZYX> I mean that's the wohle output frankly
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[19:08] <RAThomas> that don't sound right
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> I normally don't have any modules at all...
[19:09] <MrZYX> kernel is 5megs so I guess a lot is compiled in
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> my kernel is 2.2MB ...
[19:09] <fairuz> 5MB is big
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[19:13] <RAThomas> Hmm. Trouble cloning bootc kernel source. "did you run git update-server-info on the server"
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[19:14] <RAThomas> Gah, wrong URL
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[19:18] <gordonDrogon> right. 3 Pi's all with the same kernel, modules, (blacklisted), etc. one Debian, one Wheezy and one Raspbian.
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[19:28] <bootc> gordonDrogon: can I has one pls? kthxbye :-)
[19:28] <bootc> got my second one on order at Farnell but it will take some time...
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> bootc, er ...
[19:29] * Mr_Sheesh translates gordonDrogon's ...s into "Over your dead body" - did I get it about right?
[19:29] * gordonDrogon chuckles.
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[19:30] <gordonDrogon> I'm putting some stuff together that would be really good to be able to release as both debian & wheezy as I'm under the impression that the foundation may be looking to standardise on that,
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> however others tell me that's not the case, so what do I know.
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> I wish there was some official line somewhere...
[19:31] <Mr_Sheesh> I've even thought of selling my RPi on ebay as some stuff came up so I'm swamped for another month, dang "stuff" isn't even fun to handle! We'll all learn later on; ask Liz?
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> maybe. I'll be seeing the people I'm doing stuff for on Saturday in Cambridge though (with a bit of luck!)
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[19:39] <gordonDrogon> stuff. stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff and nonsense.
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[19:41] <RAThomas> gordonDrogon: just cloned bootc kernel tree... any must-do advice on .config settings?
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, Hm. depends on what you want - I compiled up a kernel with bare minimum modules
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, but no wireless stuff (as i don't use it), etc.
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, want my .config file to start with?
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[19:43] <RAThomas> sure! I'll want Wifi, but it'd be cool to see what you've done
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi-3.2.21.config.gz
[19:44] <RAThomas> got it, thanks
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> that'll compile the i2c, spi and 1w-gpio as modules.
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> debian is much slower than wheezy or raspbian. weird.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> it really feels much clunkier.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> the SD is slower though at 16MB/sec as opposed to the 20MB/sec of the others.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> maybe I ought to move it over to the same SD card...
[19:46] <RAThomas> yep, apples-to-apples and all
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[19:47] <MrZYX> gordonDrogon: in your lcd example, why do you set the functions three times?
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, A-Ha... found out :)
[19:47] <mpthompson> gordonDrogon, make sure you are using the same kernel on each. Over the last few weeks it's my understanding the USB drivers have been tweaked which may account for 10-15% performance differences.
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[19:47] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, because I saw it done 3 times in some other code, but I have tested it just doing it once and it's OK.
[19:48] <MrZYX> kthx :)
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> mpthompson, absolutley - identical kernel - I've just cloned /boot over 3 Pis!
[19:48] <ReggieUK> really?
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:48] <ReggieUK> then one of those isn't raspbian is it?
[19:48] <ReggieUK> as raspbian is a hardfp kernel
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> as in cd /boot ; rm * ; rsync -a pi0:/boot/ .
[19:48] <friggle> mpthompson: no, there's a /proc setting you can enable which will reduce SOF interrupts but it's off by default
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[19:49] <mpthompson> ReggieUK, raspbian uses the same kernel as the soft float
[19:49] <friggle> and is likely to increase any problems you have with sticky keys
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[19:49] <ReggieUK> oh?
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> there's an option in the kernel to support both ABI's isn't there? I enabled it... seems to work...
[19:49] <ReggieUK> so is it just apps. that are compiled with hard/soft float?
[19:49] <ReggieUK> not drivers/kernel?
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> As I understood it - the kernel will run both.
[19:51] <ReggieUK> don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to understand and reduce MY ignorance :)
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> and it does seem to - same kernel (compiled under Raspbian fwiw!) is running on raspbian, wheezy and debian...
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> the latter 2 obviously being soft-fp..
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[19:51] <mpthompson> ReggieUK, the APIs to the kernel are independent of soft float / hard float ABI between user side code. The same kernel can be used for both Debian armel and Debian/Raspbian armhf.
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> that was my impression.
[19:51] <mpthompson> We've been running it months that way.
[19:51] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok, I wasn't aware of that
[19:52] <ReggieUK> I thought you had to define in the kernel config which floating point calculations it should use
[19:53] <mpthompson> Plugwash has been working on a Raspbian kernel that mirrors the features of the Debian kernels (plus Pi specific drivers) and I presume it would use the hard float ABI internal to the kernel. But I don't know if that is for certain. It wouldn't make a different anyway as there is no floating point values used within the kernel.
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> you do - but I think it's the ABI that's the more important. so the kernel uses the hardfp ABI, but understands the softfp abi in userland.
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[19:53] <RAThomas> gordonDrogon: you built the kernel on the Pi? Not a cross toolchain?
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[19:54] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, I have used a cross-compile toolchain in the past, but yes, the last kernel I built was on a Pi - took just over 2 hours.
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[19:54] <RAThomas> that's faster than I expected
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> I did it just because I wanted to see what it was like...
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> It is a fairly well cut-down kernel. compiled to 2.2MB.
[19:54] <dirty_d> i think the only reason the kernel needs to be compiled with the hardfp setting is so it saves the fpu registers during context switches or soemthing
[19:55] <friggle> gordonDrogon: fs on an SD card, NFS, or USB drive?
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> friggle, all local SD.
[19:55] <RAThomas> I did that on an Atom based netbook once, swore I'd not do that again ;)
[19:55] <friggle> gordonDrogon: neat
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> it swapped out 8MB of idle stuff and then just got on with it... 224MB split.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> 900MHz.
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> It's almost entirely cpu bound.
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[19:56] <gordonDrogon> real 138m43.777s
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> user 126m15.730s
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> sys 7m26.640s
[19:56] <friggle> gordonDrogon: though there's a *lot* of code in modules so disabling the ones you don't need helps rather a lot
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> I did a time make
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> yes - only the i2c, spi and 1-w modules. everything else compiled in. (relatively minimal for just the stuff I use)
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[19:58] <gordonDrogon> I'd compiled up apache/mysql+php a couple of days ago too - again, just to see how it handled it (and to see how a Pi would run wordpress in a fairly standard LAMP setting)
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> (the answer is "somewhat sub-optimal")
[19:58] <hotwings> rathomas - compiling a kernel on an intel atom shouldnt take long at all unless youre compiling tons of crap you (likely) dont need
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[19:59] <RAThomas> someone out there is hosting a BZFlag server on the Pi
[19:59] <RAThomas> A little laggy, but they claim it's their network connection, not the Pi
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> yea, my desktop used to be an atom and I compiled kernels on it a lot. however ti was dual-core/ HT which helped ,while my laptop is single core HT.
[20:00] <hotwings> kernels on my atom 230 take <20mins. kernels on the d525 take like 7mins
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[20:03] <dmsuse> bzflag is rubbish
[20:03] <ReggieUK> Just to remind you all, today is the day that you need to get registered with nickserv on freenode to continue to get access to #raspberrypi
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[20:04] <ReggieUK> if you're already registered then you don't have to do anything at all
[20:04] * RAThomas detects someone who got shot a lot in bzflag
[20:05] <dmsuse> im the best, but still its rubbish :P
[20:05] <dmsuse> i am actually unbeatable
[20:05] <friggle> ReggieUK: ah, might be time I register my nick :)
[20:05] <ReggieUK> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[20:05] <RAThomas> ReggieUK: raising the bar of entry to those smart enough to figure out how to register their nick?
[20:05] <IT_Sean> Ys.
[20:05] <IT_Sean> Yes. We are. :)
[20:05] <friggle> ReggieUK: will non-registered users still be allowed to enter, but just be muted?
[20:05] <RAThomas> :)
[20:06] <ReggieUK> http://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-User-Name-on-Freenode
[20:06] <dmsuse> i think i have been in this channel longer than anyone else
[20:06] * RAThomas begins to detect a bzflag cheater ;)
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[20:06] <adama> just spent an hour running various benchmarks at different speeds, being very confused as to why they were all so close in performance
[20:06] <IT_Sean> No, non reg'd users cannot enter. YOu must be regestered to join the channel.
[20:06] <dmsuse> ReggieUK: no im the best without cheating
[20:07] <adama> turned out an errant space in config.txt made it ignore my settings
[20:07] * adama --
[20:07] <friggle> IT_Sean: will they get a useful message pointing them to that faq entry?
[20:07] <hotwings> just: /msg nickserv register <some password> <some fake email address>
[20:07] <IT_Sean> They will get an error instructing them to register & authenticate, friggle
[20:07] <hotwings> so easy, newbies will still be plentiful
[20:07] <IT_Sean> hotwings: no, you need to use a valid email address.
[20:08] <friggle> well, I can now strike registering on freenode off my todo list :)
[20:08] <hotwings> step 1. create bs email. step 2. register with: /msg nickserv register <some password> <some bs email address>
[20:08] <hotwings> howto fixed*
[20:08] <dmsuse> use guerillamail :P
[20:08] <passstab> why bs email?
[20:09] <passstab> why not a real one?
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> suppose I could rename to drogon
[20:09] * gordonDrogon is now known as drogon
[20:09] <hotwings> same reason you dont go around putting your home address on everything that has a space for it
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[20:09] <Blazemore> only 15 minutes left to bid on my Raspberry Pi! http://dashify.me/TTC
[20:10] <dmsuse> i paid less than that 2 months ago...
[20:10] <dmsuse> are people insane ?
[20:10] <adama> good luck resetting your freenode password if you forget it, then :)
[20:11] <hotwings> never underestimate peoples willingness to be ripped off when theyre impatient
[20:11] <dmsuse> paid straight away for th item was told be with me 4-5 days recieved 12 days aft <-- nice feedback you have
[20:11] <drogon> there are buy-it-nows for less than that.
[20:11] <hotwings> if someone wants to buy my rpi for $70, ill gladly sell. then take the money, order another one, and go have a nice prime rib dinner
[20:11] <ReggieUK> drogon, why did you need to change your name?
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[20:12] <RAThomas> My brother ordered 3 from Allied on Friday. No word on delivery time yet.
[20:12] <drogon> e.g. ebay 200788499882
[20:12] <hotwings> adama - you can always just make another bs one, or have an admin reset it for you. no prob either way ;)
[20:12] <drogon> ReggieUK, seemed like a good idea - I'll change it back though. I'm sure that when I first tried to register drogon it wouldn't let me though!
[20:13] * drogon is now known as gordonDrogon
[20:13] <Arch1mede> IT_Sean: not that it effects me..but i was courious why the nick register was being put in place?
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> drogon is anagram of gordon - I first used 'drogon' for a MUD which went live about 20 years ago...
[20:13] <friggle> some very cruel person has been squatting 'asb' for the past ten years
[20:13] <friggle> I say squatting...more like actively using ;)
[20:14] <Maior> gordonDrogon: which MUD ooi?
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> Maior, er, The Land of Drogon... http://drogon.net/tlod/ or telnet land.drogon.net 6123 (yes, it's still running)
[20:14] <Maior> gordonDrogon: hey mud.prophecy.lu:4000's still up too :P
[20:14] <adama> hotwings: you if you want to change your nick, sure
[20:15] <hotwings> adama - admin resetting your password doesnt require a nick change dude
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> Maior, I know - there's lots still hanging on out there... mine rarely gets visited these days, but it keeps on going and amuses someone every now & then...
[20:15] <adama> hotwings: it does if you don't have your email :>
[20:15] <adama> because then that account is lost without talking to a freenode admin
[20:16] <adama> and i suspect some of those might get irritated if you use a bs email
[20:16] <adama> i know i would
[20:16] <a7x> still waiting for my PI...
[20:16] <adama> in any event, being prissy with emails is just /so/ 1995
[20:16] <hotwings> adama - i had one reset and it didnt take an email to do it
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[20:16] <adama> how did that work, then?
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[20:16] <adama> so i can reset yours and steal your nick
[20:16] <adama> :P
[20:17] <hotwings> my ip matched
[20:17] <bubu\a> who's running what on their raspi then? only way to get xbmc working wo get rasbmc??
[20:17] <adama> hotwings: ahh, that's handy
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[20:17] <adama> bubu\a: openelec
[20:17] <Arch1mede> is raspbmc host still offline?
[20:18] <adama> bubu\a: and probably shortly xbmc on raspbian
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[20:18] <adama> Arch1mede: yup
[20:18] <hotwings> who gives out their real email to irc servers and whoever else aside of friends/family/bills?
[20:18] <adama> hotwings: everyone?
[20:18] <hotwings> thats what making a junk/bs email is for
[20:18] <adama> nothing is special about your email address :>
[20:18] <hotwings> i think you mean !everyone
[20:18] <Maior> hotwings: amen
[20:18] <SIFTU> bubu\a: there are instruction which work to get xbmc on raspbian
[20:18] <adama> you should like those people who fuzz out their number plate when thehy take a picture of their car
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> I've given up worrying if my email gets 'leaked'.
[20:18] <adama> because, you know, that information is totally not public :D
[20:19] <hotwings> you can get a lot of info with just a license plate number
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[20:19] <adama> hotwings: don't defend those douchebags, it's imbecilic
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> e.g. on the RPi forums I goofed initially and thought I was entering my username, so used my email address - then set a nickname - all was well - until they migrated it to phpbb3 ... then my forum username is now my email address. Ah well.
[20:19] <adama> their cars are parked on the street, it's in the public domain
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[20:20] <adama> anyways
[20:20] <adama> throw-away email is not too bad
[20:20] <hotwings> parking your car on the street, and posting a pic of your license plate on the net is not exactly the same thing
[20:20] <adama> i sometimes do that when signing up for stuff i don't trust
[20:20] <adama> hotwings: sure it is
[20:20] <adama> but using a /fake/ address is just meh
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> I do often use the name+somethingelse@drogon.net forma though - but a lot of stilly sites tell me that a + in an email address is invalid.
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[20:20] <adama> gordonDrogon: me too :>
[20:21] <Maior> gordonDrogon: this is why I just do the "somethingelse"
[20:21] <Maior> I have plenty of domains
[20:21] <hotwings> its not even remotely close.. unless you somehow know how to google search in real life
[20:21] <dmsuse> yes its a better idea when using another persons licence plate number to use one hundreds of miles away than close by :P
[20:21] <Maior> well, actually, somethingelse_nonce
[20:21] <adama> hotwings: it's totally the same thing
[20:21] <adama> hotwings: you're advocating security through obscurity, which is absurd
[20:21] <hotwings> some random person walking past your car on the street is not the same as being searched on the net. its absurd to suggest otherwise
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> what really annoys me in mailing lists is when people sign up using an anonymouse name and email, then whinge when people ask then what their real name is.
[20:21] <adama> hotwings: que?
[20:22] <adama> what is someone going to do with your numberplate?
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> Then I just ignore then as without a name they have no proper credibility.
[20:22] <dmsuse> adama: clone it duh
[20:22] <adama> dmsuse: and they can't do that by chosing a numberplate off the street?
[20:22] <dmsuse> like if i didnt want to pay insurance and silly stuff i would just copy another persons numberplate
[20:22] <adama> duh.
[20:22] <dmsuse> adama: no thats really really silly
[20:22] <hotwings> a "name" doesnt give a person credibility. whether or not they know what theyre talking about does
[20:22] <dmsuse> they will see u when driving around
[20:22] <adama> lol
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> talking of fuzzing stuff out - did you see the google team photo when they fuzzed out the gingerbread mans face too?
[20:22] <hotwings> adama - [11:17:24] <hotwings> you can get a lot of info with just a license plate number
[20:23] <adama> hotwings: that information is public domain
[20:23] <dmsuse> you need to look on ebay for number plate numbers (as u can see how far away they are)
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> http://url.drogon.net/0z
[20:24] <hotwings> adama - if you already know the number it is. if not, no
[20:25] <dmsuse> you can even check if a car is motd, insured, all details of the car and previous mot history online now :D its great
[20:25] <ReggieUK> dmsuse, hotwings, could you take it to pm please :)
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[20:26] <hotwings> i have to run some errands but ill check my pms when i get back and see if adama msged me :)
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[20:27] <adama> unlikely
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[20:30] <dmsuse> yeah a real tantalising convo we interrupted
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> and now it's all gone quiet :)
[20:31] <Arch1mede> heh
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> mugga tea time anyway.
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[20:37] * gordonDrogon returns with a mug of hot tea :)
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> enough work for today. time for some fun I think.
[20:37] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: fun? :D
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi...
[20:38] <Gadgetoid> Yay!
[20:38] <Gadgetoid> Enough work for today, time for more work??? er.. wait? D'OH!
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> yea, the joy of being self employed :)
[20:38] <Maior> gordonDrogon: +1 ;)
[20:39] <Gadgetoid> I never got on with self employment, motivation issues
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[20:39] <Gadgetoid> I should probably have found a way to make money from the spontaneous and random stuff I like doing
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I have problems at times. It's not always easy.
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I was made redundant 12 years ago and thought I'd give it a go - shortly after, I was offered a full-time job, but it looked like I was going to move to Devon then, so stayed self employed and did contracting.
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> fortunately the amount I need to turn-over is relatively low and I don't have very expensive tastes.
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> my wife was made redundant last year too - and she's now self employed too!!!
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[20:44] <Gadgetoid> Bloody 'ell, redundancy abound!
[20:44] <Mr_Sheesh> I'm motivated, just lost ALL my contacts due to a GF needing help then going into a weird charismatic church and deciding to break up after years; Hard to re-start.
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[20:45] <gordonDrogon> I was motivated... ;-)
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> then 5 years ago or so made the mistake of thinking VoIP was the way to go...
[20:45] <Mr_Sheesh> Ow.
[20:46] <Gadgetoid> Hooo??? hardware VoIP!?
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> sort of - I was making/selling embedded asterisk boxes.
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> based on miniITX boards and AMD geodes.
[20:46] * SpeedEvil ponders if embedded asterisks are called shuriken.
[20:46] <Gadgetoid> SpeedEvil: Hahaha
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> but I also started up my own ITSP service to plumb it all to the pstn, etc.
[20:47] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: pretty much the trouble with any technology, though, they're all fickle
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> thinking how cool it would be to send people phone bills every month...
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> biggest issue was (is) support. but hey ho.
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> got that under control eventually.
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> however it's thoroughly peeved me to the point that I really don't want to use/sell voip anymore
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> want to go back to doing little syadmin & embedded programming jobs, but it's hard to find stuff locally.
[20:48] * SpeedEvil setup his first SIP account today.
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, neat.
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> And tomorrow, I need to mail my ISP, as I somehow seem to have done it without getting my login details.
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> I think the backend has the wrong email address for me.
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> Oooh.
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> oh.. you ought to have a usernmame & password at the minimum...
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if logging in using the old broken one may work.
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> orthey can validate by IP address, but that's rare.
[20:50] <Chetic> is there an easy wifi network finder? iwlist scan just gives me "interface doesn't support scanning: network is down"
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[20:50] <SpeedEvil> I don't have the 'master email' to manage the account. - plusnet
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[20:50] <gordonDrogon> Chetic, use WiFiFinder on an Android phone ;-)
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> I realised that setting up SIP - from my ISP - free - would let me drop to low-user on my landline phone.
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> Hm. plusnet... never used them.
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> Which is nice.
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> that's the biggest support issue I got - "make my calls cheaper" :)
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> then they go out & pick the cheapest ISP they can find and complain that voip stops working...
[20:51] <Chetic> gordonDrogon: but I already know where I want to connect.. is it not possible to simply scan, select and input a password?
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> Chetic, I don't know - I use wikd under Linux - seems to work most of the time.
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[20:52] <adama> voip is a royal pita
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: And then I need to work out how to use my Pi (to bring it back on topic) to do QOS so it actually works, and doesn't die when I use iplayer
[20:52] * adama used to manage a large multi-tenanted asterisk deployment. never again.
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, google for 'wondershaper' - it's fairly effective.
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> hmm. Will do.
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> adama, Hehe... I manage several )-:
[20:52] <adama> gordonDrogon: yuck
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> adama, yup! Tell me about it. At least i built them from scratch for have a fairly intimate knowledge of how they work...
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, the whole linux traffic management is really good, but there is a stupidly steep learning curve to getting into it all - I forget regularly and have to go back and reread the lartc site )-:
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, http://lartc.org/ is the main reference site, but ...
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> Thanks!
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[20:56] <maden> hello!
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[20:57] <ovim> hey
[21:00] <maden> judging from you guys' experiences, if RS says the next despatch is to be expected within 10 weeks, is it going to take a full 10 weeks or could I expect it to ship earlier?
[21:01] <Gadgetoid> maden: Probably later
[21:01] <maden> oh really?
[21:01] <Gadgetoid> maden: My colleague was quoted 3-4 weeks, it's been that already and no sign of it
[21:01] <RAThomas> my experience is just from Newark/Farnell/element14... they told it would ship by June 30 and it shipped on June 28
[21:02] <Gadgetoid> Unless RS work some sort of magic to catch up, they seem to be having real trouble
[21:02] <Gadgetoid> Although mine from RS came in a few days
[21:02] <lenz> I'm waiting 5 weeks
[21:02] <maden> oh well that's a disapointment
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[21:03] <lenz> I've placed interess on 1 mart
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[21:04] <lenz> and on 1'st hune I've placed an order
[21:06] <lenz> RS components told me that I woll recieve PI in 8 weeks
[21:07] <lenz> 3 weeks left )))
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[21:12] <maden> the delivery is insanely slow... its a disapointment
[21:12] <maden> well, s/delivery/distribution*
[21:12] <lenz> but you know
[21:13] <lenz> i don't understand
[21:13] <maden> the distribution is insanely slow... its a disapointment. this is what I meant
[21:13] <lenz> Pi will be delievered by DHL at my country?
[21:14] <MrZYX> your country is?
[21:14] <lenz> Georgia
[21:15] <MrZYX> dunno, here in germany I got both with the normal post, not with DHL, since they're packaged small enough
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[21:16] <lenz> I've payed 4 dollars for delivery
[21:16] <maden> normal post? surprising enough
[21:17] <lenz> but 4 dollars is too small price for sending via DHL i think
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[21:18] <maden> I paid $8USD for shipping...
[21:18] <maden> Canada though
[21:18] <MrZYX> dhl and the normal post are kinda deep integrated here, they're basically the same from the customer view, it just depends on the package size who delivers it
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[21:25] <maden> anyhow, im excited about receiving it anyways!
[21:25] <maden> just wish I couldve played around with it before the semester starts
[21:30] <MrZYX> what do you plan to do with it?
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[21:31] <maden> right now im not too sure. I must say I dont know much about hardware but I plan to learn alot with it
[21:32] <maden> yourself?
[21:33] <RAThomas> just transferred a ~500 MB file to the Pi using scp... Got 3.0 MB/s and the CPU was topped out. ssh was pulling 85-88% of CPU, scp another 10%
[21:33] <MrZYX> one as media center if it works out at the end, the other for various GPIO stuff, got a LCD display running for now
[21:33] <Chetic> How am I supposed to interpret this? "sudo ifup wlan0" gave: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" and "Could not set interface 'wlan0' UP"
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[21:34] <lrvick> Finally got some decent shots of my pi: https://plus.google.com/photos/109278148620470841006/albums/5763245520895846977
[21:35] <lrvick> including head sync and power mods
[21:35] <mischief> Chetic: try ifconfig, use a root shell
[21:35] <MrZYX> lrvick: nice
[21:35] <lrvick> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SwlYeHgtaTs/T_swwZM2JrI/AAAAAAAAJwk/85FhP3LtEDw/s903/IMG_2179.JPG <--- power mod
[21:36] <lrvick> do that and remove the polyfuses, and you will have rock solid usb power
[21:36] <lrvick> for up to ~700ma devices
[21:37] <mischief> whats with the vga port
[21:37] <lrvick> count the pins
[21:37] <lrvick> DB9
[21:37] <lrvick> serial
[21:37] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: definitely having trouble with shiftOut, so far as I can tell??? it might well be too fast!
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[21:38] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Fascinating!
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, stick a call to delayMicroseconds (1) in the shift-out loop...
[21:38] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Although I'm not sure, I could be being dumb
[21:39] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I will have to rebuild my Ruby shiftout alternative function and compare the two to be sure
[21:39] <RAThomas> weird that according to netperf, I get 71 Mb/s with UDP and 96 Mb/s with TCP. I'm used to seeing it the other way around
[21:39] <Dagger2> just a quick sanity check here... doesn't DB9 have 9 pins?
[21:39] <Dagger2> because I'm counting 15 on that port
[21:39] <maden> RAThomas: should be the other way around
[21:39] <mischief> exactly
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, 15-pins is usually a VGA port...
[21:40] <Xuu> http://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/serial-port-db9.htm
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> brb
[21:40] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: yeah. which brings us back to the original question: what's with the VGA port?
[21:41] <kroimon> lrvick: nice case :) did you cut it yourself or can I buy it somewhere? ;)
[21:45] <kroimon> ah nevermind, just read you made it at FamiLAB
[21:45] <RAThomas> maden: OK, brainfart. I mixed up the results... it *is* the other way around
[21:45] <maden> haha good! the world is right again
[21:46] <RAThomas> no kidding ;)
[21:48] <RAThomas> going from 700 MHz CPU clock to 850 Mhz increases TCP throughput from 70 Mb/s to 78 Mb/s
[21:48] <maden> hm that seems like a lot
[21:49] <RAThomas> implies that the stack overhead is not trivial. Maybe LAN hardware efficiency too?
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[21:51] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I think I need a wall to bash my head against, not getting anything that I expect from this!
[21:51] <Dark_Apostrophe> Hello, has anyone built any routers using R.Pi yet? (I'm thinking a model B + a USB ethernet card + a 5-port switch would do the job just fine)
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[21:52] <rm> you can use a managed switch and do fine w/o a second NIC
[21:52] <RAThomas> Dark_Apostrophe: haven't heard of it yet, but agree. It might make a dandy WiFi router AP too, if you could find a USB radio that supports AP mode
[21:52] <rm> but it will be slow
[21:52] <izibi> rm: any recommendations on an affordable managed switch?
[21:52] <Dark_Apostrophe> rm: Will it?
[21:53] <izibi> Dark_Apostrophe: should work fine if the switch supports tagged vlans
[21:53] <rm> I use D-Link DIR-100 :)
[21:53] <SIFTU> izibi: the little hp procurves are nice
[21:53] <Dark_Apostrophe> My main reason for wanting such a setup is for VPN (preferably OpenVPN) access without having to pour 3x the money into a high-end router which can support DD-WRT
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[21:53] <rm> it is originally a wired router, but can be flashed (officially) to be a managed switch
[21:53] <izibi> SIFTU: these which only support management via http?
[21:53] <SIFTU> Dark_Apostrophe: you can get dd-wrt routers for like $50
[21:54] <SIFTU> izibi: yeah you want ssh management?
[21:54] <_AxS_> hey all .. has anyone noticed that while their pi is unplugged (but the hdmi tv is on) they get a sort of backfeed of power on the pi? for me it's enough for the red power light to be nearly full-brightness....
[21:54] <Dark_Apostrophe> SIFTU: Well, yeah, but for high VPN performance, wouldn't some horsepower come in handy? Most routers seem to deliver a fair bit less than R.Pi's specs
[21:55] <izibi> SIFTU: i'd definitely prefer it. and the cheapest gbit switch from hp in this category is about 500 euros i guess
[21:56] <izibi> but ok, you probably configure it once and then never touch it again ;)
[21:56] <SIFTU> izibi: yeah I got a 24 linksys switch which is mainly http, has ssh but is almost useless since you cant setup vlans like that, not sure for the best cheapest managed switch like that
[21:56] <SIFTU> izibi: yeah thats true
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[21:56] <izibi> i guess you can do this via http once if this saves you 400 bucks :D
[21:56] * adama is not quite convinced of the performance of USB nics though :)
[21:56] <SIFTU> izibi: thats what i figured
[21:57] <SIFTU> izibi: whats worse, mine can only be managed by IE (and I think 6)
[21:57] <_AxS_> are you guys talking about makeing the pi a router? or just general router hardware talk?
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[21:57] <maden> making it into a router
[21:58] <SIFTU> _AxS_: yeah someone wanted to make it a router
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[21:58] * adama doesn't think the performance will be as good as expected because of the USB
[21:58] <izibi> i wonder how the rpi would compare to some device with dd/openwrt
[21:58] <_AxS_> ...100mbit's a little slow for that...?
[21:59] <adama> _AxS_: why?
[21:59] <SIFTU> depends on your home connection, mine is only something like 24/4
[21:59] <_AxS_> adama: when compared to a 400-euro gbit switch? :)
[21:59] <izibi> _AxS_: enough for an adsl uplink
[21:59] <Maior> yeah
[21:59] <adama> _AxS_: that entire sentence is just full of idiocy
[21:59] <adama> a) router/switch
[22:00] <adama> b) $35/$600
[22:00] <_AxS_> adama: i'm just repeating / correlating what was said earlier..
[22:00] <adama> a router only has to be as fast as the link it's attached to
[22:00] <adama> it doesn't have to perform at wirespeed for internal traffic
[22:00] <adama> my home dsl has a 266MHz geode-based router
[22:01] <adama> raspi + nic is easily cheaper than the Soekris/PC Engines stuff floating around at the moment
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[22:01] * adama still disapproves of the USB, though
[22:02] <_AxS_> ..internal ethernet is on the usb bus too isn't it? wouldn't be much of a difference would it?
[22:02] <adama> que?
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[22:02] <adama> it's the "internal" ethernet i'm disapproving of
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[22:03] <dmsuse> usb is way faster than a 100mbit connection so whats the problem :P
[22:03] <adama> dmsuse: when attached to a 700MHz ARMv6?
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[22:03] <_AxS_> Ah, ok. was thinking you were just referring to the 2nd usb nic you'd probably want to plug in to make the router work
[22:03] <SIFTU> it's it one bus.. so like it's shared between ethernet, usb HDD and whatever else is running on it?
[22:03] <adama> dmsuse: also, you're sending *and* recieving 100mbit
[22:03] <adama> twice
[22:03] <adama> on the same bus
[22:03] <dmsuse> i think my dd-wrt router is running on an arm
[22:03] <adama> SIFTU: yes
[22:04] <adama> dmsuse: but it doesn't have to deal with USB overhead
[22:04] <adama> which is not free
[22:04] <adama> i don't know how expensive it is, but it's certainly not free
[22:04] <_AxS_> dmsuse: the ddwrt routers have a chip to handle the network io separately, they don't do it (afaik, could be wrong with some) over usb
[22:04] <adama> _AxS_: unlikely
[22:05] <adama> you're confusing the switch chip with the ethernet interface, i think
[22:05] <_AxS_> ..might be, yes
[22:05] <adama> ddwrt doesn't work on kit with asic-based forwarding :>
[22:05] <_AxS_> still, the point that usb isn't in the way, still stands i think
[22:05] <adama> no it doesn't
[22:05] <adama> usb *is* in the way
[22:05] <_AxS_> adama: on regular blue-box routers?
[22:06] <adama> oh, you mean on not-pi ?
[22:06] <dmsuse> usb is da bomb, just a shame it isnt usb 3 :P
[22:06] <_AxS_> yes
[22:06] <adama> indeed
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[22:06] * adama disagrees
[22:06] <adama> USB on the Pi seems to be odd too
[22:06] <_AxS_> adama: howso?
[22:06] <adama> it keeps losing my keyboard/mouse under high cpu load
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[22:06] <dmsuse> thats a lack of power
[22:06] * PiBot sets mode +v ccssnet
[22:06] <_AxS_> adama: how much power's available to it?
[22:07] <adama> it's using a 1.2a psu
[22:07] <adama> i've got them going through a powered hub now
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[22:07] <adama> not tested in X since i switched
[22:07] <_AxS_> ....that should be more than enough...
[22:07] <_AxS_> well, depending on how much power the usb devices are sucking back..
[22:08] <RAThomas> More LAN performance stats: UDP stays unchanged at ~96.3 Mb/s from 500 to 900 MHz. TCP performance increases linearly from 61.0 to 80.6 over the same range of frequencies
[22:09] <_AxS_> wow, didn't think tcp overhead would be that bad...
[22:09] <adama> RAThomas: 1500B MTU?
[22:09] <adama> _AxS_: it's not free, indeed
[22:09] <SIFTU> yeah TCP is much more intensive
[22:09] <adama> tcp involves acks, which are expensive
[22:10] <SIFTU> I use udp whenever possible on the Pi
[22:10] <adama> ok, just booted pi off usb harddisk attached to hub :D
[22:10] <_AxS_> adama: ...as in directly with no sdcard?
[22:10] <adama> no
[22:10] <_AxS_> oh
[22:10] <adama> ofc you need an sd card for the gpu blob and linux kernel
[22:10] <_AxS_> (didn't think that was possible, but who knows what ppl might come up with)
[22:11] <RAThomas> adama: yes, MTU = 1500
[22:11] <adama> RAThomas: that's a fair bit more optimistic than real-world too then
[22:12] <_AxS_> RAThomas: curious, you have any cpu load stats to twin with those traffic stats? i'd expect it's near 100% for tcp, yes?
[22:12] <adama> when is the rpi ever *not* at 100%? :)
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[22:12] <chaoshax> When it's off?
[22:12] <adama> lol
[22:13] <RAThomas> _AxS: I'll check, but guess that too.
[22:13] <_AxS_> ..well i'd hope it wouldn't be at 100% for udp...
[22:14] <_AxS_> ..btw, anyone know if i should be concerned about this power-feedback thing i seem to be observing, when HDMI's plugged in and tv is on, but the pi isn't powered up via mains?
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[22:15] <adama> power-feedback?
[22:15] <_AxS_> adama: HDMI plugged in, tv on, the power light on the pi shines nearly bright red
[22:15] <adama> i noticed that if i plug my usb harddisk in with a 2-usb port cable, it powers the rpi through its cable
[22:16] <_AxS_> nice, so usb power goes both ways
[22:16] <adama> _AxS_: i've not seen that :O
[22:16] <adama> not on any of the tvs or monitor's i've used
[22:16] <dmsuse> you can also power the pi via the gpio's
[22:16] <_AxS_> ..i was figuring it might be my (cheap) tv.. haven't had access to another one to try yet
[22:16] <adama> yeah
[22:17] <adama> dmsuse: are they fused?
[22:17] <_AxS_> ..so +5V is essentially common between the USB ports, the miniusb, and the GPIO pin?
[22:17] <dmsuse> adama: no
[22:17] <tech2077> yes
[22:17] <adama> _AxS_: i suspect the mini-usb is behind a fuse, and the others aren't
[22:18] <RAThomas> adama: I misspoke earlier. Performance is much, much worse with the message size (-m 1500) equal to the MTU. Default msg size for netperf TCP appears to be 16k
[22:18] <tech2077> no fuse anywhere
[22:18] <adama> well, the downstream usb are behind fuses too
[22:18] <adama> i remember those
[22:18] <adama> tech2077: yes there are, polyfuses
[22:18] <dmsuse> tech2077: umm yes there is a fuse
[22:18] <dmsuse> where are you getting your info?
[22:18] <tech2077> there is?
[22:18] <tech2077> what is it rated
[22:18] <adama> RAThomas: i was talking about MTU, not MSS
[22:18] * tech2077 didn't see it on the schematic last time he looked
[22:19] <RAThomas> adama: was exactly sure what you were asking.
[22:19] <adama> not sure
[22:19] <RAThomas> s/was/wasn't
[22:19] <adama> i'm sure google will help you :)
[22:20] <dmsuse> 1a i think?
[22:20] <MrZYX> 700mA
[22:20] <adama> 700ma on the microusb
[22:20] <MrZYX> and 150mA before each usb port
[22:21] <adama> indeed
[22:21] <adama> gpio has no fuse
[22:21] <MrZYX> or 140 or so
[22:21] <adama> i've seen people recommending that you short the fuses to get more power to the usb
[22:21] <adama> :DDDD
[22:21] <RAThomas> schematic says 140 on the USB ports
[22:22] <tech2077> hmm
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[22:22] <tech2077> on the schematic i'm looking at it says 1.1A 6v for the fuse rating
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, still having issues with shiftOut?
[22:23] <RAThomas> reminds me of a humorous poster of "replacement" fuses. Along with a wad of foil, I especially liked the 3/8 inch "slo-blo" bolt
[22:23] <dmsuse> The microUSB input port also has a 1.1 A polyfuse (700mA "hold current")
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[22:23] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Not sure it's your code, still headbanging
[22:23] <SIFTU> RAThomas: did you see http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#NIC
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[22:24] <tech2077> so the raspi can't pull more than 1.1A
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[22:24] <tech2077> with peripherals
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[22:26] <tech2077> hmm
[22:26] <tech2077> two 140ma fuses before the peripheral USB ports
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[22:26] <RAThomas> SIFTU: no, I hadn't. Perhaps I'll add my netperf numbers there
[22:28] <lrvick> Ok all, so here is my USB power boost solution for the pi, which has been rock solid with all usb devices i have tried including wifi dongles at peak rx/tx: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=8591&p=119748#p119748
[22:28] <lrvick> Thoughts welcome
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[22:30] <Draylor> nothing constructive, so i'll just add a nice work :)
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> So.. witingPi can do about 7 million digitalWrite()'s a second when in low-level mode.
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> Or about 132,000 digitalWrite()'s a second using /sys/class/gpio.
[22:32] <chaoshax> What's causing the limit?
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> Ah, double those numbers - I'm doing 2 digitalWrite's per cycle.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> the limit is the syscal to write() and the underlying kernel code.
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> even keeping the file descriptor open and just calling write is much much slower than just poking the hardware.
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[22:34] <booyaa> greets
[22:34] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Poking hardware is king!
[22:35] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I keep bouncing between thinking it's your code, and thinking it's mine??? my headache has a headache!
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> let me fiddle with the code ..
[22:35] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I just replaced your shiftOut with the one from the Arduino wiring_shift.c and it works
[22:35] <Gadgetoid> But I don't know *why*
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[22:36] <RAThomas> I see the smsc95xx LAN driver doesn't support ring buffers. Guess having traversed USB, it's kinda pointless?
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it's not impossible I have a bug!
[22:38] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: ohrly?
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I just copied it over from my own arduino wiring library... let me check it in a minute, but if you have something that works...
[22:39] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: This works for me: http://pastebin.com/epsUtnYw
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> don't you just love C : what a hack: !!(val & (1 << i))
[22:39] <Gadgetoid> This would seem to be the major difference: !!(val & (1 << i))
[22:40] <Gadgetoid> But I haven't a clue what that's actually doing!
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> it not's the value twice, rendering it to 1 or 0.
[22:41] <Gadgetoid> Errr??? yeah, I sort-of recognise the notation now, but ..WUH!?
[22:41] <Gadgetoid> I wonder what val & (1 << i) is actually coming out with for me, if not a 1 or 0
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> start at the inside 1 << i is a mask, so it will be 0x01, 0x02, 0x04, etc.
[22:42] <Berglund> I'm so impressed with my Raspberry Pi. Runs Node.js, MongoDB and REDIS beautifully. A bit scarce on memory, but works.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> & that with the value will yield zero or non-zero.
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> then the !! renders zero to zero and !0 to 1
[22:43] <Gadgetoid> I'm not entirely sure why it would ever come up with anything other than 1 or 0 anyway!
[22:43] <Gadgetoid> But that barmy function works for me
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> I'll check my code in a minute.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/speed.txt has the results of the speed test program.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/speed.c is the program.
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> so using wiringPi, a 10MHz signal is about possible :)
[22:45] <Gadgetoid> Not a particularly great one, thanks to the Pi, but nice!
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure that in assembler it could be 100MHz, however I don't think it's really needed :)
[22:46] <Gadgetoid> I seem to have hit the performance limit for Ruby, and it's nowhere near 10MHz, I could probably offload more stuff to C though
[22:46] <Gadgetoid> Python fares *much* better
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[22:47] <ThomasJ73> woohoo! ssh'd from my android into my rpi... :)
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ok, I've just worked out why mine doesn't work.
[22:47] <neofutur> Berglund: have a look at zram if you need more ram : http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/t50-Using-ZRAM.html
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, bit of a 'duh' moment there.
[22:47] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Oo, goodie! I've almost worn through to the other side of my wall now :D
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[22:47] <Gadgetoid> I'm still staring at it blankly, though
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, sorry... in my digitalWrite, I look for 'HIGH' - which is 1 and not non-zero.
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, so the result of my shift without the !! in it is zero or not zero (occasionally 1, but often > 1)
[22:48] <ThomasJ73> going to finalize a few things and uh stuff.. ;)
[22:48] <Berglund> neofutur: What's the advantage with that over a regular swapfile? I'm currently using a swap file, even though I know it'll kill the SD-card in the long run.
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[22:49] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'd have never nailed it down to that, I'm unfamiliar with the behaviour of bitmasks but have certainly now learned a lot!
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[22:50] <neofutur> Berglund: sewap will kill your sd card or usb, zram is . . . in ram
[22:50] <neofutur> ( and faster )
[22:50] <Berglund> neofutur: oh, cool. I'll look into it! Thanks!
[22:50] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'll patch it up with !!() and see how it fares for me
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[22:51] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, can you get http://unicorn.drogon.net/wiringPi.c and compile it with my original wiringShift and see if it works for you?
[22:51] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Oo, you're patching wiringPi.c? okay!
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[22:51] <gordonDrogon> swap on SD is ok - now who was on here a few days back who'd done some tests on SD longevity ...
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes - that's where the issue really is.
[22:52] <Arch1mede> gordonDrogon: i remember that convo but not the name
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, well.. I could fix Shift.c, however it would introduce an innefficiency.
[22:52] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: True! what you're doing makes sense
[22:52] <Arch1mede> gordonDrogon: said took him 3 months 24/7 writing to it before it dieded
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> Arch1mede, indeed!
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I've swapped the tests round in wiringPi, so now it looks for zero or non-zero which is possibly closer to how you (well I) think it ought to work anyway.
[22:53] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Darn, haven't got the other files so I fail with undeclared WPI_MODE_GPIO_SYS
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ah - right. new version :) Hang on :)
[22:54] <neofutur> Berglund: the only con is that it will use a little bit more cpu
[22:54] <Gadgetoid> Looks like I'm in for a long night of library maintenance on WiringPython and WiringPiGem :D
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, http://unicorn.drogon.net/wiringPi.tgz
[22:55] <Berglund> neofutur: Yeah, I read my way to that too. Could still be worth it though.
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I'm fairly sure that's OK - I'll move it over to the projects site shortly, once I've written some documentation for it- there are now 3 variantes of wiringPiSetup...
[22:55] <neofutur> Berglund: no doubthere, zram is worth it ;)
[22:56] <neofutur> and the cpu usage is not very important
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> is zram worth it? it's going to slow you down somewhat...
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> maybe it depends on what you're doing though...
[22:56] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Just passing in a 0, 1 or 2 to wiringPiSetup depending on the mode then?
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, no - 3 separate setup functions.
[22:56] <neofutur> gordonDrogon: if you need more ram, you can loose 1% cpu
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, that would break existing code )-:
[22:57] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: oooo, I'll handle that in my class wrappers then!
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> neofutur, I guess it depends on the application...
[22:58] <neofutur> and since the overclocking is very stable . . . the cpu loss is really nothing
[22:58] <mcscruff> if im pulling from a git , how can i update without cloning it all again
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, basically now you initialise as before wiringPiSetup() and it gives you wiringPi Pin numbers, or wiringPiSetupGpio to use GPIO numbers, or wiringPiSetupSys to use GPIO numbers and the /sys/class/gpio interface (assuming you have exported first - that's important!)
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, the first 2 need root, the last doesn't (assuming you've exported using the gpio program and it's changed the userid correctly)
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, see the speed.c program...
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[23:01] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: adjusting my Ruby gem now to test it all out
[23:01] * MrZYX wishes there were a way to avoid root completly
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[23:03] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'll be wrapping it up so that io = WiringPi::GPIO.new(WPI_MODE_SYS) gives you a class to handle /sys/class/gpio
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[23:04] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, that'll work.
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, root is a neccessary piece of kit in a unix environment..
[23:05] <MrZYX> I mean for the gpio
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, however things have changed over the years - from there being the "sysadmin" and users to a situation where users are their own sysadmins ...
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> so you still want the protection, but occasionally the 'power' to do additional stuff - like change the networking on your own pc, etc.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> what i'm seeing is this distinction being eroded in places and people being just a bit careless - through no fault of their own really.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> click here to continue :)
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[23:07] <aaa801> Anyone having any issues with the new raspmc and usb mice?
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[23:07] <MrZYX> yeah totally got that, I was totally in the scope of the gpio stuff here ;)
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, yes - and there's an anomaly :) Traditionally you'd need to be root to poke hardware, but the Pi is a user device and users want to poke hardware...
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[23:08] <Gadgetoid> Compile time, harrowing!
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, but poking hardware at random can crash the pi - I can give you a set of commands at the user-level that will turn a gpio pin to an output, set the level high - which is fine excelt that one pin in the Pi is connected to ground when an SD card is plugged in...
[23:09] <Syliss> ugh, my micro usb cable isn't here yet
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[23:10] <gordonDrogon> but if I put in explicit checks for that pin, then the code goes slower (not that that should be a problem), but who knows...
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> so it's a funny old world.
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[23:11] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: ??? it's alive!
[23:11] <MrZYX> I guess I just SUID your gpio programm and use that to export the /sys/class stuff programatically :P
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, a-ha!
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, the gpio is already suid!
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, the gpio program that is.
[23:15] <aaa801> Mhm
[23:15] <MrZYX> ah didn't look at it for some time
[23:15] <aaa801> its actualy the pi freezing
[23:15] <aaa801> now im confused as crap
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, turned off all the overclocking?
[23:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm going to have to brave trying the /sys/class/gpio mode :D
[23:15] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: This is normal raspmc =/
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, I've never tried it...
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> maybe one day I'll try some of these new medjia applications!
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> wifey has a 1080p monitor for her PC, but it's DVI or VGA... Hm. DVI - I have an adapter for that - my monitor is only 1280x1024...
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[23:17] <gordonDrogon> I suppose i'd need to get some hidef films or something.
[23:17] <Gadgetoid> Also gordonDrogon: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPi/commit/cf7af8bf7f5a470e6ce63a25d5e19df9801e233f
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes, a few changes in this one..
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> Just a few, yeah :D???
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[23:19] <Gadgetoid> You seem to magic this stuff up, like a C wizard
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> when it flows ....
[23:23] <reider59> Nice one! Got my 20x4 LCD working with the Arduino. Bit of tea n toast then I`ll take another look at the 16x2
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> reider59, ah, good. are these parallel ones, or serial?
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> I have a 20x4 coming tomorow.
[23:24] <reider59> serial
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> saves a few pins then :)
[23:25] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: Just tryed it on my 2nd pi, and it works fine :s
[23:25] <aaa801> maybe my first pi has a dodgy usb chip
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[23:25] <reider59> Just edited a few example 16x2 setups from the library, changed the pins and the 16X2 to 20x4 then fooled about a bit.
[23:26] <Arch1mede> reider59: in other words..you jiggled the cables
[23:26] <reider59> Not bad considering the postie dropped it on its head through the letter box ;-)
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> reider59, :)
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[23:28] <reider59> normod^, the example programmed screens were set for 16x2 so I changed them to 20x4, but the pins in the programs didn`t match the wires I`d already set so it was the software I changed rather than the pin/wire jiggling
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[23:30] <reider59> The 4 pins in the example programs can`t be set to LOW I believe, the pins I used can.
[23:31] <reider59> I was soo sooo soo careful soldering the pin header on, checked it 3 times with the meter lol
[23:31] <reider59> I have enough pin header left over to do another one now
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[23:32] <reider59> <<<< no expert but not an Arduino virgin now
[23:33] <reider59> woo hoo
[23:33] <chod> 8-0
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[23:34] <mischief> yall and your fancy lcds
[23:34] <mischief> all i got is a dinky dot matrix
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[23:38] <Arch1mede> mischief: isnt a dot matrix a printer?
[23:39] <Artheist> just as a notice : does anyone achieved to get jack (qjackctl) wroking on Pi ?
[23:39] <reider59> I`m more pleased over the plastic box it came in than anything. It`s an handy extra box to put a few things in. I might put some compartments in and hinge the lid with something or other (methinks some glued plastic off a washing up liquid bottle).
[23:39] <chod> Arch1mede: yup a printer
[23:39] <Artheist> (alsa seems ok, even if some unpleasant crackle)
[23:39] <mischief> Arch1mede: http://www.ic-on-line.cn/view_images.php?id=1053081
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[23:39] <mischief> this
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[23:40] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Successfully tested shiftOut in Python now, too
[23:42] <Arch1mede> mischief: wow...dats small
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[23:42] <mischief> the only difficult thing about this display was the extra chip needed to shift the voltage
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ok, thanks. I'm putting some more stuff into wiringPi before I push out the next version.
[23:43] <mischief> it'd be neat if it had bi/tricolor LEDs too much maybe that's asking a lot
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> mischief, is it i2c or bit-banged?
[23:44] <mischief> s/much/but/
[23:44] <mischief> gordonDrogon: spi
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> mischief, I probably asked that before :)
[23:45] <mischief> np
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[23:45] <mischief> we have like 10 of them at my local hackerspace
[23:45] <mischief> for some reason they are like $25 on digikey
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[23:46] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I've never seen them in the usual UK shops.
[23:46] <Artheist> I bet it needs realtime kernel, are there any available yet ?
[23:46] <Pickley> woo, jumper wires here.
[23:47] <mischief> wat?
[23:47] <Gadgetoid> Any Pythonerererers about?
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[23:50] <Arch1mede> Pickley: for?
[23:50] <Pickley> Arch1mede: Hooking up to this robot thing :D
[23:50] <Arch1mede> ohh right
[23:51] <Pickley> :D
[23:51] <Arch1mede> heh
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[23:51] <Arch1mede> still didnt get your wifi issue worked out?
[23:51] <Pickley> Haven't played with it much yet
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[23:52] <reider59> If I get both LCD`s working then one will stay on Arduino and the other directly on the Pi. I want to fool with it a little using Python. But I`ll do the trick with one of the pins instead of an extra board or whatever.
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> right. zed time now.
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[23:56] <netman87> gordonDrogon: how u download 3.2.21 sources?
[23:56] <netman87> i did get accidently 3.4.0 or something...
[23:56] <netman87> and i dont wanna try and fail many times at it takes some time
[23:57] <netman87> git clone url-here
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