#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-07-10

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:03] <MrZYX> netman87: clone the normal repo and then git reset --hard to the right tag (http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=commit;h=8499e79e9ee4c946ae38fd12e5d3afe8b68f2dfd in your case)
[0:04] <netman87> :( its gonna take years on raspi
[0:04] <MrZYX> that's not the pi, git.kernel.org is just slow
[0:05] <MrZYX> but once you have it update will be faster, thanks to git :)
[0:05] <Pickley> install all the compilers!
[0:06] <MrZYX> netman87: btw which repo are you cloning? torvalds/linux, stable/linux-stable or????
[0:07] <bootc> netman87: you're cloning my repo I take it? in which case just do a 'git checkout rpi-3.2.21' once you've done the clone
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[0:19] <Syliss> yeah I'm waiting for my micro usb cable so i can use my lapdock
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[0:21] <netman87> MrZYX: bootc
[0:22] <MrZYX> kay, then what bootc said ;)
[0:22] <netman87> bootc: can u give clone url too
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[0:27] <Pickley> woot, it'll work :D
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[0:40] <Pickley> seems to work
[0:40] <Pickley> :P
[0:40] <Pickley> now i need a program to do it
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[0:51] <mcscruff> whats the best connector to put on the pi gpio pins?
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[0:52] <Espen-_-> Booting my pi for the firste time :D
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[0:54] <reider59> IDC 26 pin connector and check out the video from Gert about doing it yourself with a vice, then split the other ends of the cable very ver very carefully. Connector is here; http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=8322
[0:57] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1404
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[0:57] <reider59> Above is the video by Gert for the IDC Connector to put on the GPIO Pins
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[0:59] <reider59> Leave it a couple of days and we`ll know if that Tandy addy is OK to use for ordering, I ordered 2 connectors and 2 cables, might even be here tomorrow if I`m lucky.
[0:59] <ReggieUK> I made my breadboard breakout from a bit of stripboard
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[1:00] <ReggieUK> and 2x40pin header strips
[1:00] <reider59> I need to start making afew things. It`s a nice feeling
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[1:07] <ThomasJ73> Chello everyone
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[1:09] <ReggieUK> oboe ThomasJ73
[1:09] * SpeedEvil waves his organ.
[1:11] <cehteh> piccolo flute you mean :)
[1:11] <ThomasJ73> I am logged in via PuTTY right now, is there a way to "detach" this login when I close PuTTY rather than loging out completely? (So I can resume it elsewhere)
[1:12] <cehteh> use screen
[1:12] <ReggieUK> as long as it's a compton SpeedEvil you can wave it about as much as you like :)
[1:12] <cehteh> ~# tail -1 .profile
[1:12] <cehteh> exec screen -RR
[1:13] * cehteh likes that :P
[1:13] <dym> I always just detach my screen too
[1:13] <dym> great advice
[1:13] <dym> (:
[1:13] <ThomasJ73> screen: command not found
[1:13] <dym> install it :)
[1:13] <ThomasJ73> heh, right!
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[1:16] <ThomasJ73> brb
[1:16] <Pickley> Hacked up PHP script can power this haha
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[1:19] <ThomasJ73> hmph
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[1:19] <ThomasJ73> ./screen 1 == Must be connected to a terminal
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[1:53] <Pickley> Writing a PHP lib for GPIO
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[1:55] <ThomasJ73> hooray! It works! Thanks fellas!
[1:55] <simcop2387> my understanding is there's little to no docs about how /dev/vchiq works, correct?
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[2:07] <ThomasJ73> I swear I'm gonna figure this out! LoL
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[2:41] <Pickley> and PHP lib done
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[2:51] <Pickley> https://gist.github.com/3080209 probably badly done
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[2:59] <Pickley> :P
[3:01] <IT_Sean> um... ....
[3:01] <IT_Sean> Is.... everything... in order?
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[3:20] <iKy1e> Hi, I was wondering if there is a guide to emulating the pi on OSX
[3:21] <iKy1e> I found, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5743 but that's windows only.
[3:22] <iKy1e> I guess 2am is a bad time to ask a question about a UK based computing thing.
[3:23] <iKy1e> I'm used to iOS dev rooms where everyone is in USA and it's afternoon for them.
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[3:24] <Pickley> https://github.com/pickley/PHP-GPIO Wee
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[3:25] <SpeedEvil> You need to work out qemu on ios.
[3:25] <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure how that'd work.
[3:26] <Pickley> qemu should run on OSX?
[3:26] <SpeedEvil> Dunno.
[3:27] <SpeedEvil> I last used a mac when it still had a powerpc sticker on
[3:27] <Pickley> Got my PHP lib done, next is writing stuff for the bot.
[3:27] <Pickley> and figuring out a nice way to make it mobile...
[3:27] <Pickley> lol
[3:28] <iKy1e> Ok, thanks. (the something.bat file threw me) I'll try getting the emulation setup in the morning.
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[3:29] <Pickley> god this thing is actually quick..
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[3:39] <dlynes> Does anyone know of anyone selling an IPS sensor, that I could use with the rpi?
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[3:40] <dlynes> One chip I know of that's an IPS sensor is the broadcom bcm4572, but no idea who sells it, or if it can hook up to an rpi
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[3:46] <dlynes> I can't even find a reference to the BCM4572 on broadcom's website, for that matter
[3:47] <SpeedEvil> IPS=?
[3:48] <dlynes> IPS == Interior Positioning System (something like GPS, but for inside buildings, and doesn't use satellites; it uses earth's magnetic pull, instead)
[3:49] * markllama googles
[3:49] <dlynes> markllama, slashdot it
[3:49] <dlynes> markllama, was just posted to slashdot today
[3:49] <SpeedEvil> You mean a magnetometer?
[3:49] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, no
[3:49] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, I mean an IPS
[3:49] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, it works on similar premises to a compass
[3:49] <SpeedEvil> It's a magnetometer and a gyroscope as I understand it, that is all.
[3:49] <SpeedEvil> Plus software.
[3:50] <SpeedEvil> It's not a special sensor - simply software.
[3:50] <dlynes> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/07/09/196234/indoor-navigation-on-your-smartphone-using-the-earths-magnetic-field
[3:51] <SpeedEvil> Any I2C or SPI three axis magnetometer compatible in voltage with the Pi can be used.
[3:52] <dlynes> Just last week, Broadcom released a new chip (BCM4752) that supports indoor positioning systems, and which will soon find its way into smartphones.
[3:52] <SpeedEvil> You probably want an accellerometer and a gyro chip too.
[3:52] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, I want a gyro chip, yes, but an accelerometer isn't necessary
[3:52] <SpeedEvil> An accellerometer lets you desaturate the gyroscopes error, and generate an accurate position.
[3:52] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, Not to mention a distance sensor and some other gadgets
[3:52] <SpeedEvil> It's pretty much required.
[3:53] <markllama> ewhat would you need accel and gyro for?
[3:53] <SpeedEvil> The magnetic field is one vector - it's ambiguous.
[3:53] <SpeedEvil> you can't tell if you're turning round that axis.
[3:54] <SpeedEvil> The gyroscope tells you if you're turning, and the accellerometer tells you which way down is, as well as giving you clues about footsteps, allowing you to desaturate velocity based on them.
[3:54] <markllama> yeah. ok. the IPS stuff I can find doesn't try to do 6 degree location. just 3 dimension location in space.
[3:54] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, no, but if there's a sensor that does everything (broadcom BM2475, by the sounds of it), I can eliminate a bunch of sensors
[3:55] <SpeedEvil> It's not.
[3:55] <SpeedEvil> It has those sensors inside.
[3:55] <markllama> ok I'll just listen and learn.
[3:55] <SpeedEvil> And I would be truly astonished if you can buy it from broadcom in quantities of under 100000.
[3:55] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, Ok, so it does do everything, because it's got all four sensors integrated, then?
[3:55] <SpeedEvil> Then what?
[3:55] <SpeedEvil> Broadcom do not sell small quantities of chips.
[3:56] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, I wasn't expecting to buy directly from broadcom...I was thinking more like thorlabs, allied electronics, newark, ...
[3:56] <SpeedEvil> They do not sell through distributors.
[3:56] <SpeedEvil> you can only purchase directly from broadcom
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[3:57] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, so nobody will sell an integrated daughterboard for systems similar to rpi? I find that hard to believe
[3:58] <SpeedEvil> There are many systems broadly similar.
[3:58] <SpeedEvil> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9623
[3:59] <SpeedEvil> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10724 - rather
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[4:00] <dlynes> An 'attitude' and reference system, eh? :o
[4:00] <SpeedEvil> Putting GPS + all of the sensors to generate a nice position has issues.
[4:00] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, GPS is useless to me...I need this to work inside buildings
[4:01] <SpeedEvil> There is no current good solution that will reliably work inside arbitrary buildings.
[4:01] <SpeedEvil> Cheaply.
[4:01] <SpeedEvil> (where cheaply is under several thousand dollars)
[4:01] <markllama> dlynes: you need just location within the building of known subjects carrying responders?
[4:01] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, I'm not planning to make it cheap...I just want to make it work
[4:01] <markllama> (just. Hah)
[4:01] <dlynes> markllama, responders?
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[4:02] <SpeedEvil> Are you wanting position inside one building, or any building, and relative, or absolute position?
[4:02] <markllama> something that emits a signal or recieves a signal
[4:02] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, ah...if that's your definition of cheap, I was aiming for around $800-1500
[4:02] <markllama> do you want a device to know "i'm here in the building"
[4:02] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, relative position within a building
[4:02] <markllama> or do you want a network to know "the device is there"?
[4:03] <dlynes> markllama, nothing to do with networks
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[4:03] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: A single building?
[4:03] <dlynes> markllama, wireless networks are inherently unstable
[4:03] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, any building
[4:03] <markllama> ok well you need SOME kind of communications infrastructure to create a set of reference points and then some device with a means of determining location based on that.
[4:04] <dlynes> markllama, exactly
[4:04] <markllama> that's going to need a "network"
[4:04] <dlynes> markllama, that will all be on a single machine
[4:04] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: Then that's majorly painful - you're reduced to stuff which attempts to map the building as you go, or to get GPS signals through the structure.
[4:04] <markllama> give up.
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[4:04] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, map as I go
[4:04] <dlynes> markllama, I don't give up
[4:04] <SpeedEvil> This is not inherently impossible - but it's a _lot_ of hardware+software.
[4:05] <markllama> or well, create what's essentially one of the DARPA cars and re program it to work in doors.
[4:05] <dlynes> markllama, not in my vocabulary
[4:05] <SpeedEvil> Especially if you want to get it accurate
[4:05] <markllama> go for it :-)
[4:05] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, I don't need it to be super accurate
[4:05] <markllama> the DARPA cars use video, lidar, GPS, IR ranging and big honking computers.
[4:05] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: What do you mean by that?
[4:06] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, plus or minus 2 meters is good enough for me
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> Is +-1km ok?
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> haha
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> Ok - you're looking at spending major amounts of dev-time, plus really quite non-trivial hardware.
[4:06] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, pretty much...but leaning more on non-trivial software, rather than non-trivial hardware
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> At least the above - GPS + magnetometer + gyro + accel, and then you are probably going to have to throw in scanning laser rangers into the mix.
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[4:07] <SpeedEvil> You may be able to do something with kinect or similar.
[4:07] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, medium range lasers, cameras, ...
[4:07] <SpeedEvil> But that's going to be a lot of programming.
[4:07] <markllama> somehow the idea of a pi and a couple of off-the-shelf sensor cards doesn't sound promising in reasonable time frames. But feel free to make a fool of me, I like it when smart people prove me wrong.
[4:07] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, I write software for a living, so it's really not a problem
[4:07] <SpeedEvil> Getting to +-1m is going to be extremely hard.
[4:07] <SpeedEvil> This is a problem that's had millions thrown at it without great results.
[4:08] <markllama> well then start with a wiimote via BT. I like the kinect sensor too.
[4:08] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, +- 1 ft is extremely hard and extremely expensive
[4:08] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, +- 1 or 2m, is considerably cheaper
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[4:08] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: you're making this up.
[4:08] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: Unfortunately, it's not.
[4:09] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, No...I've speced out the laser sensors already
[4:09] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: Right.
[4:09] <Hopsy> hii any windows users here?
[4:09] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: now, that is a direct laser range - once.
[4:09] <markllama> the wiimote will get you 3 axis orientation. a kinect gets you video and IR ranging.
[4:09] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: now, consider once you've gone round 8 corners.
[4:09] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: all of the tollerances add up.
[4:09] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, medium range sensors from sick are accurate to within 1.5m
[4:10] <SpeedEvil> Right - and once you've done 8 relative measurements with those, you're now 10m off.
[4:10] <SpeedEvil> Assuming no other sources of error.
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[4:11] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, You're assuming that I reuse those measurements for the next position
[4:11] <markllama> umm. that's not how realtime sampleing and integration work.
[4:11] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: Sure.
[4:11] <markllama> multiple measurements will improve your precision if you integrate them well.
[4:11] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: The problem is that you don't have an absolute position when you've walked indoors, and GPS has stopped working.
[4:11] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, I'm guessing you're assuming an autonomous vehicle?
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> markllama: Sure - if you can get back to the original baseline - I'm assuming a normal building, where there are things like walls.
[4:12] <markllama> well I'm assuming he's not talking about shooting a single point on a wall with 1.5m precision and saying "ok I'm HERE"
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: I'm assuming some sort of people tracker.
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[4:13] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, No, no tracking, whatsoever
[4:13] <SpeedEvil> dlynes: where you carry about a device that tracks your position
[4:13] <SpeedEvil> and tells you about it
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[4:13] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, absolutely not...it'll be a vehicle I control with a remote
[4:13] <markllama> it takes multiple samples in different directions all integrated and as the target moves in the environment it builds up a map and can re-reference to it's memory map.
[4:14] <markllama> I think you need to start small
[4:14] <SpeedEvil> markllama: That doesn't help if you can't measure 'internal' points of the map - your errors still build up.
[4:14] <markllama> and gradually add things.
[4:14] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, a vehicle that in all likelihood will be mostly at a 0 degree angle, and sometimes at a maximum 60 degree angle
[4:14] <markllama> speedevil: only if you have no means of returning to a reference
[4:14] <SpeedEvil> IF you're happy with relatively inaccurate but topologically useful maps, that gets easier.
[4:15] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, so obviously it wouldn't work in a firehall, where you have to slide down a pole
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[4:15] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, I don't care about relatively inaccurate, no
[4:15] <markllama> if you're saying "I'm here" moving a whole bunch, shooting a single sample and saying "where am I" you're right.
[4:15] <markllama> time for bed :-) night folks!
[4:15] <Guest42608> night markllama
[4:15] <SpeedEvil> markllama: Multiple measurements help to reduce some sorts of errro.
[4:15] <SpeedEvil> night
[4:15] <dlynes> markllama, g'night
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[4:16] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, every coordinate will have five measurements takne
[4:16] <SpeedEvil> If you're just looking for something that remembers a path through a building - it's way easier than if you want to know 'I walked 24m north and 1 story up from here.
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[4:17] <dlynes> SpeedEvil, it's just remembering a path through a building with a bit of a twist
[4:17] <SpeedEvil> And then lets you try to work out a path from this point in the building to that point, based on that relative position
[4:17] <SpeedEvil> If you want to do that - you need accuracy.
[4:18] <SpeedEvil> Taking multiple measurements does not remove accumulation of errors.
[4:18] <SpeedEvil> It helps, yes.
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[5:28] <Pickley> Got the robot working :D
[5:29] <bstag> good
[5:30] <bstag> which type of robot is this?
[5:31] <bnmorgan> http://hackaday.com/2012/07/07/another-switch-mode-regulator-swap-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[5:31] <Pickley> Cybot thing
[5:31] <Pickley> I need battery pack for the Pi and a wifi adaptor that works
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[6:24] <tech2077> ooh, another idea to the stack of retro pi usages
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[6:24] <tech2077> make a program that displays graphics on an oscilloscope using two digital potentiometers
[6:25] <Mr_Sheesh> etch-a-sketch!
[6:25] <tech2077> yep
[6:25] <Xark> tech2077: Or port a vector graphics game like Space War or Asteroids. :)
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[6:27] <tech2077> one step at at time :P
[6:28] <Mr_Sheesh> I have SpaceWar code somewhere still - I could probably code it in C in a couple hours I'd think, it's probably linked off wikipedia though
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[7:58] <yggdrasil> good evening
[7:59] <hotwings> hello
[7:59] <hotwings> what a pleasant want to enter an irc channel!
[8:00] <yggdrasil> why thank you.
[8:00] <yggdrasil> whats the latest buzz with the pi ?
[8:01] <hotwings> from what i gather, more of the same. although ive been busy lately so i may have missed a major event along the line somewhere
[8:02] <yggdrasil> i had to start leaving mine at home. wasnt getting any work done.
[8:02] <Xark> Umm, 20% of RPi CPU cycles spent servicing 8Khz USB interrupt? That was interesting to hear... :)
[8:02] <yggdrasil> hmm
[8:02] <yggdrasil> is that because of the faulty power stuff ?
[8:03] <Xark> No, the design of the USB chip uses a lot of CPU (coupled with a less than optimum driver).
[8:03] <yggdrasil> mhmm
[8:03] <yggdrasil> well, it will only get better.
[8:03] <yggdrasil> i see that the a model has made its debut... somewhat
[8:03] <Xark> Short of disabling USB, it probably can't be eliminated, but I suspect some "cycle counters" will streamline the kernel code as much as possible.
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[8:04] <rm> Xark, could be fixable in the driver
[8:04] <rm> but not sure if anyone is really working on that or having any success
[8:04] <Xark> rm: Supposedly not "fixed" (USB chip design needs 8Khz polling), but hopefully reduced from 20%
[8:04] <yggdrasil> hmm
[8:05] <Xark> Good incentive to make a GPIO PS/2 keyboard and mouse interface. :)
[8:05] <Xark> Apparently it is easy to disable the USB interrupt (just hard to type anything afterwards...)
[8:05] <yggdrasil> waste of gpio
[8:06] <steve_rox> hmm PI with PS2 connector would be handy since i have no spare usb keyboards hehe
[8:06] <Xark> yggdrasil: For 20% CPU it may make sense for some applications of the RPi.
[8:06] <yggdrasil> yea
[8:06] <yggdrasil> you could use ethernet for alot of it
[8:06] <Xark> yggdrasil: Only if you had GPIO ethernet (with USB disabled). :)
[8:06] <yggdrasil> the ethernet doesnt work with usb disabled?
[8:07] <Xark> yggdrasil: It is USB ethernet
[8:07] <yggdrasil> oh i didnt realize that..
[8:07] <yggdrasil> bumer
[8:07] <Xark> (The ethernet in fact provides the 2 port hub in the B)
[8:07] <yggdrasil> wow.
[8:07] <yggdrasil> oh well drivers will do alot.
[8:07] <rm> well not really
[8:07] <Xark> This is why A will have one USB and no ethernet (and no 2nd chip)
[8:08] <rm> it's a USB+Ethernet chip
[8:08] <Xark> rm: OK, but AFAIK it hooks to the one USB port of the SoC.
[8:08] <rm> yes
[8:08] <Xark> rm: It provides a USB ethernet and 2 USB port hub. So with USB disabled, no ethernet
[8:08] <rm> correct
[8:09] <rm> but you can't say that "The ethernet provides the 2 port hub"
[8:09] <rm> if anything, it's the other way round :)
[8:09] <Xark> rm: Yes, the ethernet chip does (2 for 1)
[8:09] <rm> i.e. the 2 port USB hub chip by SMSC also has an ethernet device built in
[8:09] <Xark> However you want to phrase it, the meaning is the same IMHO. :)
[8:10] <Xark> Or the USB ethernet chip also provides a HUB. Potato/potato :)
[8:10] <rm> and also I think I read somewhere that it does not require 8KHz polling by design
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[8:11] <rm> just that the driver is written badly and uses it in this mode
[8:11] <yggdrasil> well either way its a bad boy little computer.
[8:11] <Xark> rm: OK, well that is what I read on a kernel list (but may not be correct).
[8:11] <Xark> rm: It would not be surprising if it did require it (to leverage host CPU).
[8:12] <Xark> yggdrasil: Yes, it is mostly good news. Up to 20% more "headroom" than we previously thought. :)
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[8:13] <yggdrasil> indeed.
[8:14] <yggdrasil> im not sure what i should do with my pi now.
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[8:18] <yggdrasil> but im open to suggestions ..
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[8:32] <Xark> yggdrasil: I am ready to do a bit of hardware experimentation with mine very soon. I'll probably start with the traditional blinking of LEDs, but not sure what is next. :) http://imgur.com/a/WmOWn
[8:32] <yggdrasil> mhmm
[8:32] <yggdrasil> im reading some stuff now.
[8:33] <yggdrasil> nice case
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[8:34] <Xark> yggdrasil: It is the Adafruit one. It is a bit fragile, so I am not sure I can recommend it (a "hook" broke off mine assembling it, but it will do fine).
[8:35] <yggdrasil> oh really ?
[8:35] <yggdrasil> i was going to order one
[8:35] <yggdrasil> i have found .. this:
[8:35] <Xark> Probably my fault. I believe JamesH from the forums did the exact same thing (the order of assembly is critical).,
[8:36] <Xark> I should write Adafruit support and they will probably send me another one (but not sure if I will bother).
[8:36] <yggdrasil> http://builttospecstore.storenvy.com/products/404262-raspberry-pi-enclosure-kit
[8:37] <yggdrasil> im ok with the punnet one for now.
[8:37] <yggdrasil> but i think ill fire that one off in the mail tomorrow
[8:37] <Xark> Heh, I have that exact case also. :)
[8:37] <yggdrasil> how is it ?
[8:37] <Xark> I haven't put my other RPi in it yet.
[8:38] <yggdrasil> it looks good
[8:38] <Xark> It doesn't seem to use hooks like adafruit one (but otherwise similar)
[8:38] <yggdrasil> yea
[8:38] <yggdrasil> i like the light tubes
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[8:38] <Xark> Yes, I do like the clear, but this is a good design.
[8:38] <yggdrasil> yea i like the clear too.
[8:39] <yggdrasil> its fine, ive seen enough of it.
[8:39] <Xark> I was a bit disappointed they purple version of this case sold out (but black is nice too). :)
[8:39] <yggdrasil> ahh i didnt like that.
[8:39] <yggdrasil> i better get on it soon or it will be out tomorrow.
[8:40] <Xark> Mine was shipped fairly rapidly.
[8:40] <yggdrasil> hmm.
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[8:40] <Xark> Looks like it is already backordered (same as Adafruit - I had to "stalk" the site for that one).
[8:41] <yggdrasil> well, fine enough im going on vacation for 2 weeks now.
[8:41] <illuminata> anybody who can report on domestic us shipping from allied?
[8:41] <illuminata> i haven't pulled the trigger on my invite yet
[8:41] <Xark> illuminata: "Domestic" is a bit ambiguous. :)
[8:41] <illuminata> well domestic us because i figured most anybody else would go with rs
[8:42] <illuminata> (being that allied is their us arm... i guess)
[8:42] <Xark> I got two from Element 14 (US). No complaints here. :)
[8:43] <illuminata> i just heard scary things about them shipping to canadians and was hoping it wasn't similar within the states
[8:43] <illuminata> i passed up my newark invite from march/april or so
[8:43] <yggdrasil> xark, except the junk mail :)
[8:43] <illuminata> got all delete happy
[8:44] <Xark> yggdrasil: I haven't noticed too much of that. RS just got back to me a week or so "its time to order!" (too late). :)
[8:44] <yggdrasil> hehe
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[8:45] <Xark> I like Element 14's site a lot more. Friendly, some decent resources forums and videos.
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[8:47] <Xark> (However, mainly I found a link early on where I could enter credit card details with Element 14 - not so with RS [just register interest]).
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[8:58] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps.
[8:59] <siphayne> Evening sir.
[9:00] <frankivo> morning :)
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[9:17] <Pickley> Hey
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[9:19] <rm> I wonder if my Allied link is still good
[9:21] <rm> http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/120626raso/
[9:21] <rm> still works
[9:23] <siphayne> I have a troubleshooting question if anyone can help?
[9:25] <Espen-_-> Never ask to ask, just ask.
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[9:27] <siphayne> Thanks. I'm running arch_arm on my Pi and it will not connect to ethernet on startup. I just came from the #archlinux chatroom and they note that as far as the configuration files for archlinux go it should work as expected
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[9:28] <siphayne> when I run "dhcpcd eth0" I am able to use the interwebs. when I run "dhcpcd" things don't go so well. It goes into the loopback interface.
[9:29] <frankivo> siphayne: can you upload rc.conf somewhere?
[9:29] <siphayne> http://pastebin.com/ewVr6Kzn
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[9:30] <siphayne> frankivo: Under network I've tried with just an interface as "eth0" and leaving everything else blank. I've also tried with the version you're seeing
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[9:33] <Weaselweb> siphayne: afaics from the man page dhcpcd uses the interace with the lowest metric if none (or several) are given
[9:35] <Weaselweb> but where is there actually a problem? If i ever called dhcpcd manually I did always specify an interface
[9:35] <siphayne> Weaselweb Yes, when I run it specifically "dhcpcd eth0" and specify the network interface, thinks work stupendously.
[9:35] <siphayne> The issue is that the Pi doesn't connect to eth0 on startup.
[9:36] <Weaselweb> what does "Pi doesn't connect to eth0" mean?
[9:36] <mischief> siphayne: so you need to write an init script for dhcpd?
[9:36] <frankivo> siphayne: does DAEMONS include network?
[9:37] <siphayne> it doesn't connect to the eth0 (the interface specified to the ethernet adapter for the Pi)
[9:38] <siphayne> mischief: I would need some help on that mkinitcpio changes don't help and the arch flavor doesn't have a specific init script pre-built for me to just edit.
[9:38] <Weaselweb> you _connect_ the Pi by some cat5 cable, i guess you mean the interface configuration
[9:38] <siphayne> frankivo: Yes.
[9:38] <frankivo> weird
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[9:38] <KrnlPanic> G'd morning everyone
[9:39] <siphayne> Didn't have a chance to check my paste bin?
[9:39] <frankivo> hello dr nick
[9:39] <frankivo> siphayne: just a double check
[9:39] <frankivo> :P
[9:39] <mischief> siphayne: cant you just write one? its just a shell script
[9:39] <weasel> hm
[9:40] <frankivo> its /etc/rc.d/network :p
[9:40] <KrnlPanic> I have an 8GB sd card with Arch running on it, however when I do df -h, it's only showing 2 1.8GB partitions and 3 108M partitions... where's the rest of my space?
[9:40] <siphayne> Weaselweb: If we want to make clarifications. The green board thing has a big silver thingy which this phone cord thingy plugs into. Then that phone cord thingy plugs into something that connects to the interblags.
[9:40] <siphayne> mischief: No previous experience doing so, so i'd just have to learn.
[9:41] <siphayne> KrnlPanic: You have to repartition it.
[9:41] <frankivo> KrnlPanic: i believe you need to resize
[9:41] <siphayne> KrnlPanic: if you have another computer that has gparted it's pretty easy. Otherwise you have to fancy some fdisk or cfdisk.
[9:41] <Weaselweb> siphayne: IMO it's a (arch) configuration problem, so I'm out
[9:42] <siphayne> Weaselweb: I think that's a proper opinion to take. I have another SD card for testing with the debian image and that works.
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[9:43] <frankivo> havent tried arch on pi
[9:43] <Weaselweb> this comes the fact, that a (manual) dhcpcd eth0 setups your interface accordingly using DHCP. so your setup just doesn't initialize eth0 during startup
[9:44] <Weaselweb> so this is even unrelated to the pi at all
[9:44] <frankivo> maybe te module is loaded after the daemon
[9:44] <frankivo> [/wild guess]
[9:44] <frankivo> a whitelist of the module /might/ fix it
[9:45] <Weaselweb> this might be also true
[9:45] <frankivo> as the pi is slow
[9:45] <siphayne> Weaselweb: #archlinux didn't have any answers, #archlinux-arm is full of tumbleweeds so I'm going to my next best bet.
[9:46] <Weaselweb> try to increase error verbosity during startup to see actual error messages
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[9:46] <siphayne> frankivo: I whitelisted the kernel module evdev as a recommended wild guess from the #archlinux chat
[9:47] <frankivo> is that the nic-module?
[9:47] <Weaselweb> evdev is for input devices
[9:47] <frankivo> what has that to do with anything?
[9:47] <Weaselweb> search lsmod for smc or something (that's the onboard chip for usb and ethernet)
[9:49] <frankivo> ipv6 290227 33
[9:49] <frankivo> evdev 8922 0
[9:49] <Weaselweb> or check lsusb -t for driver info
[9:49] <frankivo> is all I see on raspbian
[9:49] <Weaselweb> frankivo: your driver seems compiled into your kernel, so no need for a module
[9:49] <frankivo> i guessed
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[9:50] <frankivo> not sure how arch deals with this on pi
[9:50] <Weaselweb> exactly
[9:50] <Gadgetoid> Early days: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPiPerl
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[9:54] * a7x owns a pi too now
[9:54] <Gadgetoid> a7x: Hoooray!
[9:54] <a7x> yeah!
[9:55] <Gadgetoid> ???unless you plan to use it as a media center :D
[9:56] <frankivo> ;+
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, woo hoo!
[10:00] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: *very* early days, I've got to do it properly at some point! folks who know what they're doing would be able to get it up and running though
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[10:20] <a7x> btw, did the fix the USB bug?
[10:21] <Gadgetoid> a7x: which USB bug? It's got some hardware limitations that aren't likely to be fixed until a new board revision in the distant future
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[10:26] <KrnlPanic> Woohoo! 7.3G now... (not quite 8 but close enough)
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> 7.3G what?
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[10:27] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: He's reppin', it's a rapper thing??? he has 7.3 thousand pounds, I believe
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> Ahhh... riiight ...
[10:29] <Gadgetoid> Rappers are terribly fond of listing all the things in their possession, from female dogs, to garden implements, and an alarming number of brothers
[10:29] <Maior> lol
[10:30] <Weaselweb> lol
[10:31] <Gadgetoid> They're also apparently big on games consoles, owning a NES is apparently an important status symbol in both the Rap and Nerd worlds??? things start to get complicated in Nerd Rap though
[10:31] <KrnlPanic> How come cat /proc/cpuinfo doesn't display the MHz of th processor?
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, because it doesn't know it.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> KrnlPanic, however bogomips is fairly close.
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[10:33] <Gadgetoid> Bogomips sounds like a bizarre fantasy character
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> AIUI it was used in the early days to provide a software timing loop counter when noodling some hardware at early boot time... Bogus MIPs ...
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> a RISC machine ought to be executing one instruction per cycle, so in theory the MIPs value ought to equal the clock speed, however ...
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[10:36] * drazyl wonders whether to point out MIPS sometimes means Meaningless Indicator of Processor Speed
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> "the number of million times per second a processor can do absolutely nothing."
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> from its wikipedia page!
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[10:39] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: assuming a sufficiently complex processor, doing absolutely nothing might actually be difficult
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[10:40] <booyaa> lo
[10:40] <Gadgetoid> You'd need a hardware watch dog to constantly make sure the processor doesn't become sentient and try to take over the world, for instance
[10:40] <Gadgetoid> And multivac said: Let there be light!
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[10:42] <booyaa> good grief where as arch used up all my memory
[10:42] <booyaa> i've only got 13m free
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[10:44] <frankivo> booyaa: thats just linux memory management
[10:45] <Weaselweb> free memory is "wasted" memory, check 'free' for buffers and cached
[10:45] <booyaa> 188 free in buffers/cache
[10:45] <booyaa> i wonder if free gives different output on debian
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi1: free
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> total used free shared buffers cached
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> Mem: 222732 138064 84668 0 6996 114032
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> -/+ buffers/cache: 17036 205696
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> Swap: 131068 28 131040
[10:46] <Weaselweb> 114MB for caches
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> so there's 114MB sitting in RAM, which can be freed at any instant, if needed.
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> or, re-used without pulling it from disk.
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[10:47] <Weaselweb> booyaa: you want as much as possible used for buffers and caches
[10:47] <booyaa> ah okay
[10:47] <booyaa> cheers guys
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> another example - from a server with 16GB of RAM:
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> total used free shared buffers cached
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> Mem: 16530568 12381720 4148848 0 249856 11037412
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> -/+ buffers/cache: 1094452 15436116
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> Swap: 8225212 137360 8087852
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> 11GB cached...
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> seemingly doing nothing, but making for what's more or less a completely RAM based system...
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, incidentally - both those are debian...
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> booya try this: free ; sudo echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches ; free
[10:53] <Pickley> gordonDrogon: Got the cybot going now
[10:53] <Pickley> Just need to make it wireless
[10:53] <Pickley> :D
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> and watch battery drain go through the roof :)
[10:53] <Pickley> haha
[10:53] <Pickley> Yeha.
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> want to see a video though :)
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> and do publish it! A Pi on a robot platform will go down well.
[10:54] <Pickley> Need to pick up a microusb pbattery pack
[10:54] <Pickley> and anew wifi adatpor I think
[10:54] <Gadgetoid> For anyone in the UK, I have an affiliate link on my site to a 7000mAh portable battery :D
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> something lower powered might be a pair of URF modules... basically rs232 over wireless - if all you need to do is send simple commands to it ...
[10:55] <Pickley> Unless I can get my current one going lol
[10:55] <Pickley> gordonDrogon: Well technically I could automate it and then unplug lol
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, Hm. need quotes round that: free ; sudo 'echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches' ; free
[10:58] <booyaa> i've see than drop_caches thing before
[10:59] <booyaa> yup got that memory back
[11:00] <booyaa> arch is debian based? why did they switch package managers? i'm stillg etting my head around pacman
[11:00] <booyaa> was pretty happy with apt
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, really - don't wory about getting memory back. in-general the caches & buffers are a GOOD THING!
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> e.g. if you are compiling a lot of files - gcc, etc. will be read in from SD once and then stay in memory from then on.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> makes it go much faster.
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> Linux caches everything is can, so type ls - the ls command will stay in ram for the next time, but when linux needs the ram it will drop it in an instant. The benefits of caching like this far outweight any tiny losses by the cache management.
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[11:09] * Xark notes Linux actually executes code directly from the cache. :) Free memory is wasted memory!
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[11:11] <megatog615> how do i retrigger the auto-installation of the mono package with >1.5.6?
[11:11] <megatog615> wrong channel
[11:11] <megatog615> /facepalm
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[11:21] <booyaa> megatog615: sounds interesting, you mean like the way windows triggers .net installation if it doesn't find the right version?
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[11:26] <ThomasJ73> This little RPi is going to be the death of me! 1-2 hours of sleep per night since I've gotten it.. lol... Been a LONG time since I got to play in Linux! :)
[11:27] <megatog615> booyaa: wrong channel
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[11:27] <booyaa> megatog615: yes i gathered that, where are you discussing mono?
[11:28] <booyaa> ThomasJ73: hahah welcome to the club
[11:28] <Gadgetoid> ThomasJ73: A pain we all share, but most of my time has been spent writing library wrappers and blog posts
[11:28] <megatog615> booyaa: #winehq
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[11:29] <booyaa> ah
[11:29] <Gadgetoid> Wine is not an emulator is not an emulator is not an emulator is not an emulator ARGH!
[11:29] <ThomasJ73> Gadgetoid: LoL, mine has all been snet just trying to get this thing up and running!
[11:29] <ThomasJ73> s/snet/spent
[11:30] <frankivo> ThomasJ73: there's more reasons to play with linux then just the Pi
[11:30] <ThomasJ73> frankivo: Yes, I know, I ran it for years. Admin on MS based systems for the past 12 so I hadn't had a reason to be on it
[11:31] <frankivo> the reason is in that sentence imho :P
[11:31] <megatog615> currently my pi is a file server
[11:31] <ThomasJ73> frankivo: LMAO, agreed!
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[11:32] <ThomasJ73> frankivo: Basically a self-maintaining system, I just sit around and make sure it doesn't catch on fire.. ;)
[11:34] <frankivo> lol
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[11:35] <cromag> /go #xplayn.com
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[11:36] <megatog615> has anyone ever tried getting freedos running on the pi?
[11:36] <reider59> Sorry about that. I had to set a 10 second delay on XChat. It was joining the room before it verified my reg`d nick.
[11:36] <megatog615> wondering if freedos would work better for getting mame running
[11:37] <ThomasJ73> reider59: I am having the same problem with irssi
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[11:37] <reider59> I used this if it helps....../set irc_join_delay 10
[11:38] <ThomasJ73> awesome, thank you!
[11:38] <reider59> yw
[11:38] <muep> I'd suspect freedos might expect a BIOS to be around
[11:39] <megatog615> i'm waiting for element14 to start selling pis and i'll get another to build a mame system with
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> There is 'dosbox' ...
[11:39] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: lol, i always thought running mame inside dosbox was funny
[11:39] <muep> dosbox can emulate that kind of stuff
[11:40] <megatog615> it would probably be way slow
[11:40] <muep> freedos is for real hardware
[11:40] <ThomasJ73> I seen gentoo is working on a release and I'm still waiting for Chromium.. :)
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[11:40] <megatog615> only reason mame doesnt work in regular debian armel is due to a gcc bug
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> um. dosbox appears to work...
[11:41] <megatog615> which affects x86 too
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> underraspbian at least. keyboard was wonky though.
[11:41] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: did you try running mame inside it?
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> no, I just typed 'dosbox' and I now have it running in an xwindow remote from my Pi.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> dir gives me the usual command.com, etc.
[11:42] <ThomasJ73> /exec/screen -d
[11:43] <urs> yeah, dosbox works. A little too slow for my taste though.
[11:43] <muep> dosbox is probably quite portable, but slow because it is an emulator
[11:43] <urs> Couldn't even play commander keen 4 on it!
[11:43] <ThomasJ73> LoL, that's why it took me so long to get this think set up.. ;)
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[11:44] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I've no idea why it's installed under raspbian though!
[11:46] <ThomasJ73> gordonDrogon: Maybe you sleep-typed 'sudo apt-get dosbox' ???
[11:46] <adama> gordonDrogon: dosbox will work because it's a software emulator, rather than a virtualisation layer
[11:47] <adama> gordonDrogon: its speed on the rpi is unlikely to be very useful, though
[11:47] <adama> though, i remember running a PC emulator on my ARM3 powered A3000 :D
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[11:47] <ThomasJ73> Anyone have any experience using FBI?
[11:48] <ThomasJ73> s/FBI/fbi
[11:48] <ThomasJ73> When I exec fbi I get cannot open font monospace:size=16
[11:48] <ThomasJ73> (From PuTTY that is)
[11:49] <ThomasJ73> but when I'm logged in locally I can fbi images with no issues
[11:49] <ThomasJ73> I've tried the -f option but regardless of the font I use I get the same error
[11:54] <ThomasJ73> Might be something in PuTTY acutally.. I'll have to try a few different SSH clients
[11:55] <ThomasJ73> I think all that's left, for now, is to enable frame buffering and I can call it a ready base system.. :)
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[11:59] <koichirose> Hello. I'm having trouble mounting a USB flash drive. I'm pretty sure if I go home and unplug/replug it I'll be able to mount it. Here are some logs and what I'm doing: http://pastie.org/4230795 Hints?
[12:03] <frankivo> koichirose: fdisk -l /dev/scsi0
[12:03] <frankivo> does that print anything?
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[12:05] <koichirose> frankivo: empty
[12:05] <koichirose> wait a second
[12:06] <ThomasJ73> koichirose: I just finished doing the exact same thing... I used mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda2 (1 in your case) and it mounted just fine
[12:06] <koichirose> There's more in the logs: http://pastie.org/4230795
[12:06] <koichirose> ThomasJ73: I'd like to keep it FAT, since I sometimes use it with a Mac and don't want to mess around with FS drivers on the Mac
[12:07] <koichirose> i guess it gets disconnected here: scsi 0:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
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[12:09] <frankivo> koichirose: just 'fdisk -l'
[12:09] <frankivo> it should list all drives, i guess
[12:10] <_sundar_> has anybody got logitech mk260 keyboard working in the latest openelec xbmc?
[12:10] <_sundar_> it doesn't seem to work for me
[12:10] <koichirose> frankivo: fdisk -l returns empty
[12:10] <frankivo> koichirose: as root?
[12:11] <koichirose> right.
[12:11] <koichirose> dev/mmcblk0p1 17 1216 76800 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[12:11] <koichirose> I guess it's this one? the other one is /dev/mmcblk0p2 1233 60144 3770368 83 Linux
[12:12] <frankivo> koichiros: that's the sd
[12:12] <koichirose> frankivo: yes, I mean the first one (p1) is my USB key
[12:12] <frankivo> no, first partition on the sd :)
[12:12] <Dyskette> koichirose, mmcblk0p? is all the SD card
[12:13] <Dyskette> Just various partitions on it.
[12:13] <koichirose> oh. so the USB key is not there at all
[12:13] <Dyskette> Doesn't look like it.
[12:13] <Ben64> remove it and put it back in
[12:13] <Ben64> then pastebin `dmesg`
[12:13] <koichirose> Ben64: I'm at work now, I'm doing this via SSH :/
[12:14] <koichirose> koichirose: Hello. I'm having trouble mounting a USB flash drive. I'm pretty sure if I go home and unplug/replug it I'll be able to mount it.
[12:14] <koichirose> ^^
[12:14] <frankivo> possible the only solution aswell
[12:14] <Ben64> then... you're screwed
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[12:14] <koichirose> ok, but how do I debug this and solve the problem so I don't have to go back home everytime? :D
[12:14] <adama> reboot?
[12:15] <koichirose> adama: tried that??? I'll do it again now
[12:15] <adama> the USB is a hub, so i'm not sure if rebooting will reset that connection
[12:16] <adama> can you tell a USB hub to drop power to an attached port?
[12:17] <adama> koichirose: what are you powering the raspi from? and what else is attached to the other usb port?
[12:17] <koichirose> adama: it's a 1A/5V USB charger. I have a keyboard, too
[12:17] <koichirose> nothing else
[12:17] <Ben64> might be able to reset usb with sysfs
[12:17] <Ben64> but it might also break ethernet (until reboot)
[12:18] <koichirose> just rebooted, fdisk shows the sdcard only, again
[12:18] <adama> Ben64: reset the raspi's single usb port, but i'm not sure if that'll affect things on the other end of the hub
[12:18] <koichirose> Ben64: that wouldn't be a viable solution, I wouldn't be able to reboot via SSH then ^^
[12:18] <Ben64> only if it kills ethernet
[12:18] <Ben64> don't think anyone has tried it
[12:18] <koichirose> still, it's worth a try???what do I have to do?
[12:18] <adama> koichirose: attach a relay to one of the gpio ports, attach the usb stick to a usb extension with the relay inline with the power lead on the usb
[12:19] <adama> :DDDDD
[12:19] <koichirose> what? :D
[12:19] <Ben64> find the device id with lsusb
[12:19] <adama> rpi solutions for rpi problems
[12:19] <koichirose> Ben64: found
[12:19] <koichirose> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05dc:a793 Lexar Media, Inc.
[12:19] <adama> you actually see the device?
[12:19] <adama> how odd that it doens't work then :O
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[12:20] <Ben64> there should be a folder for it in /sys/bus/usb/devices/
[12:20] <koichirose> no idea
[12:21] <koichirose> Ben64: http://pastie.org/4230795
[12:21] <Dyskette> It's not /dev/sda or something, is it?
[12:21] <koichirose> I guess it's 1-1.2
[12:21] <koichirose> Dyskette: nope???see that pastie
[12:21] <Dyskette> Yeah, just saw it after I hit enter
[12:22] <Ben64> koichirose: it's either 2 or 3
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[12:22] <koichirose> Ben64: by looking at the logs it should be 1-1.2
[12:22] <koichirose> what's 1-1.2:1.0 though?
[12:24] <Ben64> if you put a 0 into the authorized file, it should disconnect it
[12:25] <koichirose> echo '0' > 1-1.2/authorized ?
[12:25] <MrZYX> doing it on 1-1 totally killed my ethernet btw
[12:25] <Ben64> yeah thats why i mentioned it could do that
[12:26] <Ben64> choosing the wrong device = dead ethernet or keyboard or w/e else you might have
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[12:29] <koichirose> Ben64: I'm executing that echo. what should I do then?
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[12:30] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo - toys from skpang have arrived :)
[12:30] <Ben64> it should act like its being reconnected, but i'm not sure
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[12:30] <Ben64> trying to find my flash drive to try it on
[12:30] <koichirose> ok. I'll wait for you :) thanks!
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[12:31] <Ben64> oh, flash drive was in the tv...
[12:31] <Ben64> plugging it in created 1-1.3 and 1-1.3:1.0
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[12:32] <koichirose> ok
[12:33] <Ben64> putting a 0 in there made it not show up in fdisk anymore
[12:33] <Ben64> puttin a 1 back in made it reconnect and show up again in dmesg and fdisk
[12:33] <koichirose> ok. mine doesn't show up already
[12:34] <koichirose> let's try
[12:34] <koichirose> pi@raspberrypi:/sys/bus/usb/devices$ sudo echo '0' > 1-1.2/authorized
[12:34] <koichirose> -bash: 1-1.2/authorized: Permission denied
[12:34] <Ben64> btw you can't just "sudo echo 0 > authorized"
[12:34] <Ben64> hehe
[12:34] <koichirose> ^^
[12:34] <koichirose> what do I do then?
[12:35] <MrZYX> echo "0" | sudo tee 1-1.2/authorized
[12:35] <Ben64> either do sudo -i first to get a real root
[12:35] <Ben64> or what he said
[12:35] <koichirose> done
[12:35] <koichirose> I have no prompt
[12:36] <Artheist> any news on jackd on RPi ?
[12:36] <koichirose> I do now
[12:36] <koichirose> I put 1 again
[12:36] <Artheist> it seems from what I read that drivers are not working yet
[12:37] <Ben64> koichirose: did it pop back up in dmesg?
[12:37] <koichirose> yes, with the same: scsi 1:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
[12:37] <Artheist> but is there any plan to have a good jack driver ?
[12:37] <Ben64> : /
[12:37] <Ben64> sounds like hardware problem
[12:37] <Ben64> flash drive or hub or both?
[12:38] <koichirose> flash drive
[12:38] <koichirose> how can I check for errors?
[12:38] <Ben64> well you can't fsck if it isn't visible
[12:38] <Ben64> when you go home try it without the hub
[12:39] <koichirose> what hub?
[12:40] <Ben64> i thought you said you had it in a hub
[12:40] <koichirose> no, no hub??? directly to the RPi - one keyboard, one flash drive
[12:41] <Ben64> oh
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[12:48] <koichirose> so it's fsck to check for hardware problems? will try when I get home
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[12:52] <Ben64> fsck is checking for filesystem errors
[12:52] <Ben64> theres no hardware fixing program, just problem solving
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[13:16] <ReggieUK> hi all
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[13:21] <gordonDrogon> Hehe... Not Pi related at all, but my new watch is working!!!
[13:22] <ReggieUK> isn't that what they're supposed to do?
[13:22] <ReggieUK> ;)
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/bigtime-watch-kit-p-940.html
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> had to built it first.
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> it's no a nixie tube watch, but hey ...
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> interestinggly there are no limiting resistors for the LEDs... I suspect they're relying on the multiplexing to keep the agregate current limited.
[13:28] <ReggieUK> internal pullups on the atmega?
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> thought they were about 100K - so a bit high.
[13:30] <ReggieUK> 10k
[13:30] <ReggieUK> but you're probably still right
[13:30] <ReggieUK> being a bit high
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[13:35] <reider59> I have one of those USB watches someplace, was fun wiring my wrist to the computer. Wonder if it still works, that`s if I find it. I thought once I got divorced things would be easier to locate.
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[13:36] <reider59> <<< gives Daft Vader a blast on the test button, love that breathing, it`s worse than mine
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's purely to do with the multiplexing speed. there is a delay factor in the code that determins the brightness!
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> interesting. I wonder if the SoC in the Pi can be abused like that... although I rekon using the PWM as the common might be one way to do it - for a single 7-seg digit anyway.
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[13:43] <dmsuse> omg another pi arrived
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[13:44] <Gadgetoid> dmsuse: Darn you :D
[13:44] <WASDx> hey gordonDrogon, googlebot tried to grab /phpMyAdmin of my webpage
[13:44] <dmsuse> you want it :P ?
[13:44] <WASDx> maybe it got the link from the logs here
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[13:44] <WASDx> And since I return 200, it will show up on google :D
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[13:48] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, I doubt it was googlebot - but I see 1000's of scripts try to get various combinations of phpMyAdmin, etc. from servers all the time )-:
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> there have been some bugs in phpMyAdmin over the years that hacker have exploited - to then use to have a spam-sending server...
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> right. quick local shopping trip. back inna bit.
[13:50] * drazyl does not like phpMyAdmin
[13:50] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: I'll verify the IP then
[13:50] <WASDx> Googlebot is one of my top visitors, heh
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[13:51] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: yes it was their real ip
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[13:54] <Draylor> if its linked from anywhere they'll hit it
[13:54] <Draylor> that should be in robots.txt anyway, googlebot does obey it unlike most
[13:54] <WASDx> I respond 404 on robots.txt
[13:54] <Draylor> lols
[13:57] <WASDx> webcrawlers are one of my primary visitors.. I don't want to scare them away
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[14:00] <frankivo> lol
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[14:10] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, oh well... maybe google are now checking for vulnerable versions of phpMyAdmin ...
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, create a zero-length robots.txt - stops your log files filling up...
[14:13] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: I have disabled access_log for it already
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, the trouble is - where does it end.. You end up spending more of your time blocking,ignoring, rejecting, etc. sites, robots, etc. than you might other wise do...
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> A-Ha. It's a good Tueseday. I get some toys and a customer I keep threatening to cut-off has actually paid me some money!
[14:20] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Happy days!
[14:20] <WASDx> It's not really a serious site anyways
[14:20] <WASDx> I'm just happy to get visitors, be it so webcrawlers
[14:20] <drazyl> block port 80
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> :)
[14:21] * Dreamingpup is now known as Workingpup
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> there are various front-end 'sanitizers' for web hosts if your really concerned, but most of them are just analysing the URLs for malicios actions, know nexploits, etc. some do parse them to see if there are any mysql injection type attacks too.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> One of my customers hosts about 1000 websites over 6 servers - and we do occasionally see some issues... mostly when they upload some dodgy php type of thing without bothering to check the security updates, alerts, etc.
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> A simple teminal session to lynx in a VM, on a readonly filesystem, reinstantiated every access.
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[14:23] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, what was the issue (my scroll back doesn't seem long enough...)
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> err
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> I misread the above discussion as how to browse the web securely.
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> I've not yet woken up.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> OIC :)
[14:24] <drazyl> we have a firewall that does ids/ips - problem is you either have to rely on it doing it automatically or monitor it full time...
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> Coffee for Mr. SpeedEvil ...
[14:25] <drazyl> (and deal with the occasional rule mistake that blocks legit traffic)
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> drazyl, there's no best solution..
[14:26] <drazyl> gordonDrogon - nope, only tools that sometimes help
[14:36] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: what email address would you prefer for a correct github author tag?
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> gordon@drogon.net
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[14:43] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Thanks
[14:44] <Artheist> hi all
[14:44] <Artheist> is it safe to connect Pi with iphone charger ?
[14:45] <Artheist> I just tried, after checking V/A but it seemed to break somthg
[14:45] <Artheist> can't ssh anymore ....
[14:45] <psmullal> Artheist: I have (and still) use an iPhone Charger.
[14:45] <Artheist> all LEDs are ok, but can't connect ...
[14:46] <Artheist> really strange
[14:47] <Artheist> psmullal : ok
[14:48] <psmullal> are you sure that a) your IP didn't change -and-or- b) sshd is set to start at boot?
[14:49] <Artheist> psmullal : a) arp -a still returns the same adress but at (incomplete)
[14:49] <Artheist> b) I did a lot of reboot before, so yes
[14:50] <Artheist> a) what's weird, is that arp -a sometimes does not return rpi adress
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[14:51] <aaa801> O e o a a ting tang walla walla bing bang :D
[14:51] <booyaa> Artheist psmullal when you say iPhone do you mean the plug with a usb socket? then presumably you stick a usb to micro usb connector on to it?
[14:52] <Artheist> booyaa : yes micro USB -> USB -> iphone charger -> A/C plug
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[14:58] <Artheist> OK, problem solver, phew
[14:58] <Artheist> *solved
[14:58] <Artheist> address changed ... dumb me
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[14:59] <Artheist> bsorry for the noise
[15:00] <ReggieUK> why are people apologising for noise or worrying about going off topic? :)
[15:01] <ReggieUK> We have a couple of rules, no foul language, keep it appropriate for all ages, other than that, chat away :)
[15:02] <Artheist> rephrasing so : after several reboots connected to USB port on my computer, IP address never changed
[15:03] <Artheist> switching to a/C power plug did change the address of RPi
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[15:06] <Artheist> I aslo did a port redirection in the meantime to enable outside connectionhw which might have caused the issue
[15:06] <frankivo> ReggieUK: just general politeness I guess :)
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[15:07] <booyaa> so glad i have my broadband router doobie, was able to plug my rpi into and get the ip address. after that i assigned that ip address to the rpi using its mac address
[15:07] <booyaa> will do the same when i go wifi, i hope wpa is easier to do nowadays on linux
[15:08] <booyaa> a few years back it was a nightmare
[15:09] <muep> there may still be some chipsets for which there are only bad or no drivers
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[15:13] <ReggieUK> frankivo, it's appreciated but unecessary :)
[15:19] <frankivo> :)
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> going to get some lunch and do some baking...
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[15:24] <reider59> so..... we can talk about train spotters and spotting? ;-)
[15:25] <reider59> bus spotters are worse
[15:25] <ReggieUK> yeah, I hate it when people shout 'I can see the spi from here'
[15:25] <reider59> ooh look it`s a red one, don`t see many of them zzzzzz
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[15:26] <jglauche> hi, I get some weird kernel oops on debian on the raspberry when calling udevadm info
[15:26] <jglauche> http://pastebin.com/0GqVqGLZ
[15:27] <reider59> Can we set an ignore or something so we no longer see PiBot messages? Just chat....
[15:27] <ReggieUK> try /ignore PiBot
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[15:30] <dmsuse> i aint got any wifi to work on the pi yet
[15:30] <jglauche> yes
[15:30] <reider59> Not sure what the mask is but tried one
[15:30] <dmsuse> unless it's cuz i need a hub, if that's the case the pi sucks ;P
[15:31] <reider59> no option for PiBot, only CHAN
[15:31] <jglauche> dmsuse, I have a cheap ralink one. works with latest debian
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[15:31] <dmsuse> jglauche: yeah i just bought that too, but doesn't work
[15:31] <dmsuse> you using a hub?
[15:31] <ReggieUK> not sure if it's a function of my irc client then reider59
[15:31] <jglauche> dmsuse, nope
[15:32] <ReggieUK> but I can ignore any nick on the channel
[15:32] <dmsuse> hmm ill try again later to get it working
[15:32] <ReggieUK> including pibot and chanserv
[15:32] <jglauche> dmsuse, you need debian wheezy
[15:32] <dmsuse> maybe it was just the keyboard/mouse overloading it
[15:32] <dmsuse> jglauche: yeah i have that
[15:32] <jglauche> have you installed the ralink drivers?
[15:33] <dmsuse> no?? it's suppose to be supported out the box
[15:33] <ReggieUK> unless you've hacked your usb to avoid the polyfuses, then it's most likely that you'll need a powered usb hub
[15:33] <jglauche> well firmware
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[15:33] <jglauche> dmsuse, install firmware-ralink
[15:33] <dmsuse> oh.. okay thanks
[15:34] <dmsuse> :D
[15:35] <reider59> UNIGNORE *!* CHAN
[15:36] <frankivo> UNIGNORE ALL THE THINGS
[15:36] <markllama> un? UN!?
[15:37] <reider59> ignore hunger
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[15:41] <ReggieUK> anyone know how to get the caps led working on a usb keyboard at the command prompt (before starting X)?
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[15:42] <Joshun> hi
[15:42] <ReggieUK> hi Joshun
[15:42] <Joshun> anybody know how to refresh a debian net installer thats stuck
[15:42] <Joshun> raspbian one
[15:42] <Joshun> 'Retrieving findutils...'
[15:42] <Joshun> its been like that for over 20 mins
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[15:43] <Joshun> no network or sd activity
[15:43] <reider59> Can you SSH in?
[15:44] <Joshun> it doesn't have ssh
[15:44] <Joshun> raspbian installer
[15:44] <Joshun> you would think it would at least say 'retry' or time out
[15:44] <reider59> all you can do is bit e the bullet and close it down then
[15:44] <Joshun> may have to start it all over again, just because it can't find a single file
[15:45] <Joshun> not exactly a failsafe method
[15:45] <Joshun> isn't there some command you can run in busy box or something
[15:46] <reider59> You have to access it externally, if you cannot do that then you have two choices. sit and look at it all day or restart it
[15:46] <dmsuse> ReggieUK: can't you just make a bash script to do it and add it to startup script?
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[15:48] <Joshun> the internet isn't slow or anything
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[15:48] <Joshun> no idea why it stopped
[15:48] <reider59> Hexxeh has produced a RaspBian image with SSH built in
[15:48] <reider59> http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[15:49] <Joshun> yeah i'm trying to make my own
[15:49] <Joshun> i'm customising it with fluxbox, and extra scripts
[15:50] <reider59> <<< unignore hunger, wash pots, make dinner for dog with sad eyes
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[15:51] <gordonDrogon> hm. pesky internet just dropped.
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> and now it wouldn't auto-join me. muttering xchat.
[15:51] <Joshun> did that to me too
[15:51] <markllama> you can't blame me. I don't run the internet any more. The internet laid me off in 2002.
[15:51] <Joshun> i had to sign in first
[15:52] <Joshun> thats probably why there's a few less people in this irc
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> a few less? userlist still shows 492!
[15:54] <Joshun> i'm sure it was over 500 or something before
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> maybe. at least my ipv6 auto starts now. It wasn't before...
[15:54] <Joshun> i think its odd that ntsc was set as the default in most images when the rpi is marketed in britain primarily
[15:55] <Joshun> if my image works i'll add a script saying 'is your screen ok?' :)
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> Hm. that. yes. I always thought it was PAL too as it worked out of the box on a 30-year old monitor I used!
[15:55] <ReggieUK> nearly every tv made in the last 10 or so years in the uk is capbable of ntsc
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> and in colour on my home tV too - which is a big old Sony flatscreen tube...
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's about 10 years old.
[15:55] <ReggieUK> very simple electronically compared to pal
[15:55] <ReggieUK> so they just chuck it in
[15:56] <Joshun> i've got two tvs that are old
[15:56] <ReggieUK> no true the other way though apparently
[15:56] <Joshun> and both show black and white on ntsc
[15:56] <Joshun> modern tvs can work with both though
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> it's sdtvmode = 2 or something?
[15:56] <Joshun> yeah
[15:56] <Joshun> sdtv_mode=2
[15:56] <ReggieUK> perhaps it's something that should be put in rpi-config
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> lets give that a go on my old monitor...
[15:57] <Joshun> works ok on a 7" old dvd player
[15:57] <ReggieUK> it worked fine on a 5" b&w portable I've got
[15:57] <ReggieUK> although I'd have no idea whether it was in colour or not :D
[15:58] <Joshun> ooh
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> works @ 656x512 resolution.
[15:58] <Joshun> you'd have to make tty fonts larger in order to see it
[15:59] <reider59> It needs a 10 second delay so it sees the nick reg`d before opening the channel
[16:00] <Joshun> yeah definitely
[16:00] <reider59> set irc_join_delay 10
[16:00] <Joshun> its so annoying having to close the xchat window and type nickserv identify
[16:00] <reider59> Put that in the login window in the command field
[16:01] <reider59> then if you have the identify comman in it will have time to do that before opening the channel
[16:02] <ReggieUK> Joshun, in my client there is a 'perform' script
[16:02] <Joshun> how would you enter that
[16:02] <Joshun> is it /msg
[16:02] <ReggieUK> this gets run after the client connects to the server
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> have had to screw the horizontal width right down to get it to display on the monitor @ 640x480.
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[16:02] <gordonDrogon> ah well.
[16:02] <ReggieUK> you put all of your channel join and nickserv id stuff in there
[16:02] <Joshun> i think overscan has to be disabled too
[16:02] <Joshun> on older tvs
[16:03] <reider59> connect command=set irc_join_delay 10
[16:03] <Joshun> do you just add that in as it is
[16:03] <Joshun> or does it need escape sequences
[16:03] <reider59> NickServ Password=whatever it is
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[16:03] <ReggieUK> although I still haven't worked out how to delay some channels until after I've id'd with nickserv
[16:03] <reider59> start from and include the set right to the end
[16:04] <reider59> just try the 10 second delay and try a little longer if necessary
[16:04] <reider59> 10 secs works in here
[16:04] <sjaak_trekhaak> ReggieUK: depends on what client you use
[16:05] <ReggieUK> mirc
[16:05] <sjaak_trekhaak> it supports /pause and /timer
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[16:05] <Joshun> is hdtv pal or ntsc
[16:05] <Joshun> because the resolution is the same
[16:05] <ReggieUK> ?
[16:05] <ReggieUK> define hdtv
[16:05] <ReggieUK> as it covers a number of resolutions
[16:05] <vjacob> hiya! any of you use your raspberry with a non-standard display, e.g. car display, micro-projector or something else? :D
[16:05] <sjaak_trekhaak> eg /pause s 5 will pause the script engine for 5 seconds
[16:06] <sjaak_trekhaak> also see /help /pause and /help /timer
[16:06] <Joshun> mainly 1920x1080
[16:06] <Joshun> or 1280x720
[16:07] <sjaak_trekhaak> PAL and NTSC are methods of encoding the signal, not the resolution for as far as I know
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[16:07] <Joshun> pal does have a different resolution and framerate to ntsc
[16:07] <Joshun> usually
[16:07] <booyaa> is there a way to add osd or some kinda marquee to video?
[16:07] <sjaak_trekhaak> The HZ is different
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[16:08] <sjaak_trekhaak> http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-ntsc-and-pal.htm
[16:08] <ReggieUK> pause failed
[16:08] * booyaa thought it might be nice to have stuff pop up whilst your watching stuff on the media centre
[16:08] <sjaak_trekhaak> LOL I noticed :P
[16:08] <markllama> I *thought* NTSC also defined the shape of the picture (resolution, aspect ratio etc)
[16:08] <sjaak_trekhaak> Check /help /timer
[16:09] <Joshun> on older tvs it matters more
[16:09] <sjaak_trekhaak> yeah
[16:09] <Joshun> most new tvs have intelligent firmware to detect it automatically
[16:09] <sjaak_trekhaak> most modern tv's are compitable with almost any format
[16:09] <sjaak_trekhaak> ... even the french secam stuff
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[16:11] <Joshun> so pal is slightly better quality
[16:11] <Joshun> but not as smooth
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[16:13] <vjacob> has anyone here been "crazy" enough to use an old VGA display?
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[16:13] <vjacob> (with the help of adaptors or conversion boxes)
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> You need a conversion box.
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> Not just a cable.
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> In principle there isn't any reason it shouldn't work.
[16:16] <vjacob> SpeedEvil, any tips what to search for to find a good value-for money such-box?
[16:17] <SpeedEvil> vga hdmi adaptor
[16:17] <SpeedEvil> It will be about 20+ quid, and powered.
[16:17] <vjacob> ok, great!
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[16:18] <vjacob> SpeedEvil, ebay on the top of places you'd start looking?
[16:18] <drazyl> if it just looks like an inline plug converter, it's probably not the right thing
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> you want something with a power adaptor
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[16:20] <vjacob> I have however no real alternative since carrying along a LCD/TV with me out of country is impractical
[16:21] * markllama whispers "serial port"
[16:21] <vjacob> usb?
[16:21] <vjacob> :d
[16:21] <ReggieUK> how about a cheap reversing LCD depending on size/res needed?
[16:22] <drazyl> mind control
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[16:22] <vjacob> I even thought of car DIY installation displays
[16:22] <vjacob> or micro projectors
[16:22] <booyaa> oo pico projector...
[16:22] <vjacob> pico aye
[16:22] <reider59> mmm sausages, boiled potato, gravy n mint sauce. No carrots, was too bone idle to go to the shop
[16:22] <markllama> vjacob: yeah a Nokia CA-42 ($3 on ebay) and a IDC 2.54mm 26 pin female connector
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[16:23] <markllama> (I did mine with a 10 pin but had to modify it with an exacto knife to get it to fit)
[16:24] <reider59> I have 2 26 pin IDCs` n cables on the way hopefully
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[16:24] <vjacob> markllama, in relation to using an analog VGA cable?
[16:24] <vjacob> or wait... USB?
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[16:25] <markllama> I'm being a little flippant.
[16:25] <markllama> do you just want access to the pi "locally" so that when a net's not available you can work on it?
[16:25] <vjacob> well, if all I wanted was to network to it, I suppose the ethernet will work fine
[16:26] <markllama> hook the USB serial in one port on my laptop and a USB-B -> USB micro to another port and the Pi power
[16:26] <vjacob> I'd like to actually see what's going on though, and I'd still need a display to configure all, no?
[16:26] <markllama> and it powers up and I connect with minicom
[16:26] <vjacob> pretty cool.
[16:26] <vjacob> I wouldn't have thought of that
[16:26] <markllama> I modified the cmdline.conf file so that the serial console is first instead of the ttyA and i see the boot process on serial
[16:26] * markllama is old school
[16:26] <markllama> server
[16:27] <reider59> I changed Putty to run VNC through it today, full screen on my other monitor. Works good.....
[16:27] <markllama> if it can't be admin'd with a Palm Pilot, a modem and a VT100 emulator, it's not Done Yet(tm)
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[16:27] <vjacob> :)
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[16:28] * vjacob can already see the long lists of Raspberry Pie courier BBS
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[16:31] <vjacob> cheers guys, cya!
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[16:42] <ReggieUK> sjaak_trekhaak I think I've managed to get it sorted
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[16:45] <Streakfury> Urgh, I've had my Pi for about 2 weeks now, and I've yet to bring myself to try it out :P
[16:45] * Streakfury is a Linux booblet
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[16:50] <reider59> Get it going and dive in there. It`s all fairly new to me but good fun and alearning exercise, even at 53
[16:52] <sjaak_trekhaak> ReggieUK: Nice
[16:53] <ReggieUK> the key was /nick at the start of my perform script and using my ns password as the server password
[16:53] <Streakfury> Yeah I should just get stuck on there
[16:53] <Streakfury> *in
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[16:58] <Chetic> How come I get "wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down" when I run 'sudo iwlist wlan0 scan'? I have run ifup and it says it's already configured
[16:59] <Chetic> it's a usb dongle - DWA-140 Rev.B2
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[17:02] <anacron> well is it working at all
[17:03] <Chetic> works on a win7 pc and ifconfig lists it
[17:03] <JMichael|Pi> my raspberry pi arrived via UPS around 30 - 45 minutes ago :-D
[17:03] <booyaa> \o/
[17:03] <anacron> Chetic: yeah, what I mean can you connect to wlan with it
[17:04] <Chetic> I wanted to do iwlist scan to find my own network before connecting
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[17:04] <Chetic> but no, I have tried and failed
[17:04] <Chetic> manually
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[17:04] <Chetic> by configuring it in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:04] <anacron> then my guess would be the driver is not working properly
[17:05] <Chetic> what can I do about that?
[17:05] <DaQatz> !channel
[17:05] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspberrypi-osdev #raspbian #rpi-gentoo #raspberrypi-owners
[17:06] <anacron> Chetic: you need to get the device id and then see if anyone has recommended driver or fix for it
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[17:08] <anacron> lspci might list it try that first
[17:10] <Chetic> lsusb?
[17:10] <booyaa> should really setup wireless, otehrwise i cant go mobile with my rpi
[17:10] <Chetic> yeah it's like half the point of it for me :p
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[17:19] <MrZYX> Chetic: do you have another linux box you could get the stick running first so we can exclude power issues?
[17:19] <Chetic> good idea but.. the pi is in another city :P
[17:20] <Chetic> I do get lots of firmware errors during bootup though
[17:21] <Chetic> could definitely be a power issue though, yeah
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[17:25] <MrZYX> yeah I mean if it can't upload the firmware it doesn't surprise me that it doesn't work
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[17:29] <booyaa> i'm hoping i can get this blasted eyetoy (ps2) webcam working, seem to read that it works on arch linux
[17:30] <ReggieUK> it works on one of the distros
[17:30] <RAThomas> the VideoCore IV in the BCM2835 appears to use the ThreadX RTOS
[17:30] <ReggieUK> cos the guy on teh front page of the .org website is using one for his voice activated robot arm
[17:31] <booyaa> i think i saw that demo
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[17:31] <booyaa> heh the pincer wouldn't close took about 3 attempts
[17:31] <booyaa> but asides that, impressive demo
[17:31] <RAThomas> anybody figure out what kind of instruction set the VC IV has?
[17:32] <booyaa> better than anything i can do at mo
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[17:36] <ReggieUK> I@m guessing that 1/2 of it is done for you
[17:36] <ReggieUK> you just have to connect the dots
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[17:44] <booyaa> well i think i maybe stickig with archlinux.. they have the latest version of node.js
[17:44] <booyaa> looks like mono is latest stable too
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[17:59] <BCMM> I have been getting "mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt - cmd12." whenever there is any disk activity on my Pi. I have seen suggestions involving tweaking init_emmc_clock to fix it - does this work? If so, what should I change it to?
[17:59] <BCMM> i am using the pisces r2 raspbian image and still get the problem after updating the firmware with rpi-update
[17:59] <ReggieUK> init_emmc_clock fixes are for the original debian squeeze image
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[18:00] <ReggieUK> might be worth asking in #raspbian if no one can answer here
[18:00] <ReggieUK> well, I say the original debian squeeze image, basically any of the original images that use the stock mmc driver need that fix
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[18:07] <BCMM> ReggieUK: ah, ok. what does it do that is no longer required? do recent drivers work out the correct speed for themselves?
[18:07] <ReggieUK> yes
[18:08] <BCMM> ReggieUK: thanks. i asked in #rasbpian but it's a lot quieter there and google suggests it's a general problem, and general opinion is that it is fixed in recent firmware
[18:09] <BCMM> does raspbian use its own kernel?
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[18:11] <ReggieUK> kind of
[18:12] <ReggieUK> although this is not my strong point and my understanding of it yesterday was apparently flawed
[18:12] <friggle> BCMM: there was a change to start.elf and the kernel at the same time, chan ging the default clock to 50mhz
[18:13] <friggle> in addition a kernel changed fixed a divide by two error in the clock negotiation code
[18:13] <BCMM> friggle: i don't know what the mmc clock speed is, btw. basically the speed of communication with the actual card?
[18:14] <BCMM> ReggieUK: apparently /usr/bin/file doesn't understand the kernel format so I can't get any kernel metadata without booting it...
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[18:15] <friggle> BCMM: basically
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[18:15] <BCMM> friggle: i also don't really know what start.elf does
[18:16] <friggle> BCMM: it's the GPU firmware and acts as bootloader to the linux kernel. It runs on the VideoCore
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[18:16] <BCMM> ah, ok
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[18:17] <BCMM> this is where i got the idea that that might be a fix for ithttps://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/issues/841
[18:17] <friggle> BCMM: well bumping the clock above 50mhz is overclocking
[18:18] <BCMM> by the way, i am mostly sure that the problem has been causing filesystem inconsistancy
[18:18] <friggle> BCMM: I strongly recommend you post details on http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=5057&start=175
[18:18] <BCMM> friggle: thanks, will do
[18:19] <BCMM> i never seem to get on well with PHPBB's search function...
[18:19] <reider59> the search that shows you where to search and where to search there and you never get far lol
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[18:28] <BCMM> yep, definitely getting io errors, and the card works fine on my computer
[18:29] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Looks like RPi.GPIO has now been re-written as a C extension: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/RPi.GPIO/0.3.0a
[18:29] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Notably: " Now uses /dev/mem and SoC registers instead of /sys/class/gpio"
[18:30] <drazyl> BCMM are you able to try with a different brand of card?
[18:31] <BCMM> drazyl: i have a 2GB i could probably clear
[18:31] <drazyl> might be worth a go, could just be compatability with the card itself
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[18:32] <BCMM> drazyl: well i presume it is that, yes
[18:32] <BCMM> unless hte pi is actually broken
[18:33] <BCMM> but i won't be able to test the same environment because it's a 4 gig image
[18:33] <BCMM> it's supposedly on the supported cards list fwiw
[18:35] <hamitron> what is the smallest image available?
[18:35] <hamitron> linux image that is
[18:39] <_Lucretia_> hi, any guys from the magpi here?
[18:41] <adama> I've done a little writeup on overclocking/performance of the Pi, if anyone's interested in that sort of thing
[18:41] <adama> http://www.memetic.org/raspberry-pi-overclocking/
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, intersting - looks like they're seeing the light ;-)
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, just had a look at the code - it's lifted directly from the stuff Dom/Gert put out originally.
[18:46] <tech2077> anyone have advice with learning the lower level stuff of arm
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[18:47] <tech2077> hmm, meant to type that into ##electronics
[18:47] <tech2077> but this works i guess
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> adama, nice graphs.
[18:48] <adama> gordonDrogon: they're excel noob graphs
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[18:49] <gordonDrogon> adama, still effective :)
[18:49] <nid0> adama: fwiw, I dont feel its terribly responsible providing what seems to be aimed at an idiots guide to overclocking and jumps right into a copy/pastable configuration that overvolts, without at least a note about it being warranty-destroying first
[18:49] <adama> nid0: good point
[18:49] <adama> i'll change the example and add a warning :)
[18:50] <adama> oh, it's only 0.05v, i'll leave that
[18:53] <adama> nid0: better?
[18:53] <nid0> looks good :)
[18:55] <adama> i started doing it to see if i can get the performance up enough to decode DTS in XBMC without it stuttering
[18:55] <adama> sadly not
[19:01] <aaa801> Anyone help me out here =/ http://pastebin.ca/2169405
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[19:03] <scottman> aaa801: /home/pi no such file
[19:03] <scottman> or dir
[19:03] <ReggieUK> is dbus installed/configured correctly?
[19:03] <scottman> is yoru problem
[19:03] <aaa801> Its raspmc
[19:03] <scottman> wait relooking
[19:03] <aaa801> aparantly /home/pi exists
[19:03] <aaa801> :s
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[19:04] <scottman> aaa801: ya haha
[19:04] <ReggieUK> of course it does, you're sitting in it when you call the command :D
[19:04] <scottman> yup
[19:04] <aaa801> update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
[19:04] <aaa801> dpkg: error processing bluez (--configure):
[19:05] <aaa801> proberly the main issue
[19:05] <ReggieUK> insserv: Service dbus has to be enabled to start service bluetooth
[19:05] <ReggieUK> was/is it?
[19:06] <aaa801> How do i check that
[19:07] <scottman> aaa801: taking a shot /etc/init.d/dbus -status
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[19:08] <aaa801> root@raspbmc:~# /etc/init.d/dbus status
[19:08] <aaa801> dbus is running.
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[19:10] <scottman> odd
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[19:14] <IT_Sean> ahoyhoy
[19:14] <blueskies> hey
[19:14] <IT_Sean> Hey blueskies
[19:15] <ReggieUK> hi
[19:15] <blueskies> how we all going tonight?
[19:15] <blueskies> sorry today for you guys
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[19:17] <IT_Sean> tonight? 's not even two! :p
[19:18] <blueskies> haha 3am here
[19:18] <benovic> hi there, i want to show off the pi's capabilities at my university. therefore I am looking for a 3D-Application that runs well on the RPI (B). I thought of something along Quake, but it would be good if it was a bit easier to install. Any recommendations? (it doesn't have to be a game, and it would be nice if it runs on arch since I use arch to demo other stuff)
[19:19] <blueskies> quake is hard?
[19:19] <IT_Sean> O_o
[19:20] <IT_Sean> how, exactly, is installing QUake "hard"?
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[19:20] <benovic> blueskies: i've searched the net and found that it requires people to compile it. I can not afford to spend a day on instalkling this
[19:20] <blueskies> http://t.co/FO9G5558 (hexxem binary;s)
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> benovic, have you run the demo hello_triangle ?
[19:21] <blueskies> hey gordon :)
[19:21] <benovic> blueskies: thank you! (i thought it were debian only, but even then i can install deb)
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[19:22] <benovic> gordonDrogon: nope :) i'll try it
[19:22] <blueskies> np hope it helps :)
[19:23] <blueskies> well i gonna get some sleep :) have fun over the 2pm :P
[19:23] <blueskies> 3am here lol
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> benovic, it's under /opt/vc/ ...
[19:26] <benovic> gordonDrogon: stop mindfucking me please and let me continue looking in /var/, please
[19:26] <benovic> :)
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[19:29] <benovic> on second thought, var is not the obvious place
[19:29] <IT_Sean> benovic: please mind your language
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> cd /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_triangle ; make ; ./hello_triangle.bin
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[19:34] <benovic> thanks, gordonDrogon, plugging in the ethernet for additional packages.
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> Hm. can't get my LCDs to run in 4-bit mode for some odd reasin.
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[19:36] <Da|Mummy> this +r thing is lame seeing as xchat will first try to join chan, than auto ID with nickserv
[19:37] <Maior> Da|Mummy: get a better IRC client...? ;)
[19:37] <ReggieUK> google should help greatly
[19:38] <benovic> Da|Mummy: / rejoin
[19:39] <ReggieUK> you could try /set irc_join_delay <seconds> somewhere in your scripts Da|Mummy
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[19:41] <Da|Mummy> i could, if i cared enough to fix. will probably just not idle here
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[19:44] <f8ba208e18> hello
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[19:47] <IT_Sean> 'ello
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[19:49] <Syliss> yay my micro usb cable is in my po box. have to wait 3-4 more hours till i can pick it up, ugh
[19:50] <f8ba208e18> how so?
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[19:58] <Syliss> f8ba208e18 I'm nowhere near my po box, I'm in the net city over
[19:58] <f8ba208e18> ah ok
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[20:01] <Syliss> yeah, wife is at work and i have to take her to get blood work done after for her pregnancy.
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[20:01] <Syliss> will be fun cutting the cable and soldering a male usb A conecter to it for the lap dock.
[20:01] <Syliss> connecter *
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[20:03] <m4r35n357> at last, automatic login!
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[20:03] <f8ba208e18> auto ID now!
[20:03] <Kretikus> Hi! I just got my raspberry and played around a bit. Now I tried the Qt5 examples and realized that my display is cutting the display on the top and bottom. Any idea if this is normal, or what I have to configure to fix this?
[20:03] <f8ba208e18> with xchat, thats not supposed to be such a complicated task, though?
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[20:04] <Gadget-Mac> Ha, finally I'm back
[20:04] <Gadget-Mac> Why the introduction of +r ?
[20:04] <reider59> Mine is auto, sets Freenode up OK, logs me in, does my Nick password, opens 2 rooms that I want but also opens 2 called "None", that`s the only niggling problem left
[20:06] <f8ba208e18> in my memory setting up auto connect on xchat was the easiest thing
[20:06] <reider59> I`m on Xchat, does it oipen 2 channels marked "None"?
[20:06] <reider59> *open
[20:07] <f8ba208e18> no. but I think those are server tabs
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[20:08] <f8ba208e18> check if you have networks added to auto connect BUT do not contain any servers
[20:08] <m4r35n357> freenode needs the nick password in the server password field for me . . .
[20:08] <ReggieUK> same for me
[20:08] <reider59> it has freenode and the 2 channels I want (comma separated list) but has 2 more each marked none an dI have to keep closing them every time I come in.
[20:09] <reider59> My Nick is in the Nick Server part too
[20:09] <f8ba208e18> mehh I dont miss GUI irc clients
[20:09] <reider59> well the password
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[20:11] <booyaa> well eyetoy2 manages to run about a second before device becomes busy
[20:11] <booyaa> but it's better than what i had with debian (currently using archlinux w/ motion)
[20:12] <neofutur> Kretikus: try the overscan settings
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[20:13] <Kretikus> neofutur: where can I find the settings
[20:14] <booyaa> mmm i think i should prolly update the firm ware
[20:14] <booyaa> haven't yet
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[20:15] <IT_Sean> Right... so... there is a load of people renting the house next door. There is a ratty old rowboat on the property, but no oars. Someone just walked out of the house with a hockey stick and a broom and said "These 'll work!" :p
[20:16] <IT_Sean> ... even more entertaining... they don't know that there is a hole in the bottom of the boat.
[20:16] <reider59> Intelligent people in th estreet now? ;-)
[20:17] <IT_Sean> In the bay, anyway.
[20:17] <booyaa> :D
[20:17] <IT_Sean> The HMS Titanic (Mk ii) is getting launched as we speak.
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[20:18] <reider59> I hate watching that film now I know how it ends
[20:18] <IT_Sean> I'd go throw an ice cube off the dock, if i thought anyone over there would get the imagery :p
[20:18] <neofutur> Kretikus: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_configuration
[20:18] <neofutur> search for overscan
[20:19] <Kretikus> neofutur: thanks I have a look
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[20:20] <IT_Sean> Oh i do hope it sinks. :p
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[20:20] <reider59> salvage rights lol
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[20:22] <gordonDrogon> Whay hey, Two LCDs, gromit! http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi2lcd.jpg
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> today 2 LCDs, tomorow ....
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> Hehe...
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> actually, now to see if I can control them individually - they're just paralleled up right now... eek!
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> still, all good fun.
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[20:26] <reider59> Is the 40x4 a Sparkfun one?
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> reider59, yes. bought via skpang, of-course :)
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> the 2x16 one I had in my junk box.
[20:28] <reider59> Thought so, mine is the same but via Proto-Pic
[20:28] <reider59> oops 20x4
[20:29] * gordonDrogon nods.
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> I reckon I can actually control several of them off a Pi.
[20:29] <reider59> Nice handy plastic box with lid came with mine
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> 10 pins for the first one, then just one additional pin per LCD after that.
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> so technically up to 7 displays.
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> it remains to be seen if that's a sensible idea or not, though....
[20:30] <IT_Sean> Would you be able to display seperate info on each display?
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[20:30] <IT_Sean> Ooooh
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> address each one individually.
[20:31] <IT_Sean> That could be handy
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[20:31] <gordonDrogon> at least I think I can. I'm about to experiment :)
[20:31] <reider59> I have about 4-5 USB LCD`s here too, development modules from CrystalFontz + a SCAB temp board and sensors
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> I've go a USB thingy that was designed to be the front for an in-car media thing - never plugged it in... it has USB interface to LCD display and a handful of buttons...
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[20:32] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Nice one :)
[20:32] <reider59> These have buttons on all but one, I programmed them for CF in CF2
[20:33] <reider59> One is just a rugged external box, the rest are all facia type
[20:34] <Gadget-Mac> Got me a new case for my Pi today http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p151/john-a-s/Acorn/BBC%20Master%20128/Front800.jpg just need to collect it :)
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> that's a bit .... big ...
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure I saw a photo of a minature BBC B case that someone had made for the Pi though.
[20:35] <Gadget-Mac> Lots of room for expansion boards though :)
[20:35] <reider59> We programmed the Olympics on them for a bit of fun one day. Runners along one line, javelin throwers, matchstick men running a long one line and dropping to the next when part way along.
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[20:36] <Gadget-Mac> Fun bit will be getting the keyboard to work :)
[20:37] <reider59> took ages on CF2, about 2-3 weeks til one night I got the Eureka moment about 3am
[20:37] <reider59> Nobody believed it at first lol
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[20:43] <f8ba208e18> ??
[20:43] <f8ba208e18> oops wrong chan
[20:44] <aaa801> grrrr
[20:44] <aaa801> WORK DAMMIT
[20:44] <f8ba208e18> what?
[20:44] <aaa801> Bluetooth =/
[20:44] <f8ba208e18> oh
[20:44] <aaa801> the device shows in dmesg, hci is started, but hcitool dev doesnt show the device
[20:44] <aaa801> also get some config errors from bluez
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[20:45] <reider59> Anyone had a look at iPython? Just having a quick look now. Type a ? and it does it`s best to help. Type ?? and it drills deeper. Get an exception code and it suggests help directed at that specific problem. Make your own programming routines and it endevours to learn and report back help on that.
[20:46] <reider59> http://ipython.org/documentation.html
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[20:50] <adama> my inner 6 year old wants to find out of SDLBasic is as awesome as it sounds
[20:50] <adama> but i know if i do that, it'll be 6 months later
[20:51] <ReggieUK> wait for your inner 30yr old to convince you otherwise
[20:51] <adama> ReggieUK: yeah, i need to do things which make money :>
[20:51] <adama> not learn to draw spinning 3d teapots in BASIC
[20:51] <adama> ReggieUK: also, good guess on age
[20:51] <reider59> that could make money lol
[20:52] <reider59> A new advert for PG tips
[20:52] <adama> haha
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[21:07] <mischief> hey folks
[21:07] <mischief> what's everyone using for level shifting from 3.3 to 5v?
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[21:11] <reider59> I used the Arduino yesterday. Today I`m adding it to the RasPi and grounding one pin so it doesn`t read from the LCD, only write to it. Should use 3.3v from the 5v rail hopefully.
[21:11] <markllama> mischief: what for?
[21:12] <mischief> well, i am driving a dot-matrix display over spi
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[21:14] <OkDucky> does anyone have an idea on why my pi won't give the correct resolution to my TV?
[21:14] <OkDucky> as soon as I power it on, the TV says it is "not supported"
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[21:14] <OkDucky> it has worked before, so I can't understand why it's decided to stop
[21:16] <IT_Sean> Have you made ANY changes between it last working, and now?
[21:18] <OkDucky> I changed from openelec to darkelec
[21:18] <OkDucky> but the same problem happened on openelec
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[21:19] <gordonDrogon> adama, sdlbasic?
[21:19] <IT_Sean> No changes to your config or anything?
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[21:22] <OkDucky> I tried a few options to help it
[21:22] <OkDucky> setting hdmi mode and group
[21:22] <OkDucky> but I'm sure it worked with an empty config file before
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[21:23] <OkDucky> also tried disable_overscan
[21:23] <reider59> oops drama llama here, 2 cop cars pulled up outside, think it`s next door.
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> not as bad as our ram raid last week then.
[21:24] <f8ba208e18> nope its for you. they want your pi
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> nothing ever happens in our sleepy town...
[21:24] <OkDucky> it's worked with anything else I've plugged into it, including a different TV and monitor
[21:25] <IT_Sean> Culd it be a problem with that specific TV then?
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> heh.. house over the road got busted 6 months back - 2 rooms full of hydroponics kit ...
[21:25] <OkDucky> could be, but it tends to work with my laptop, over hdmi
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> there is a 'boost' option to the hdmi, but I'd have to google it - have you tried that?
[21:26] <IT_Sean> I dont suppose you have a 2nd screen of the same brand to test with?
[21:27] <OkDucky> afraid not
[21:27] <OkDucky> I did try hdmi_boost 4
[21:27] <reider59> He`s a body builder who does tai kwon do or whatever it is so they sent 2 cars lol
[21:27] <OkDucky> no luck
[21:28] <OkDucky> it seems like the signal is getting there, but it doesn't figure out the right resolution to use
[21:29] <IT_Sean> O_o
[21:29] <IT_Sean> That's weihd
[21:30] <OkDucky> tis a bit :|
[21:30] <adama> gordonDrogon: basic with support for sdl
[21:30] <OkDucky> something wrong with the EDID I guess
[21:31] <reider59> might be over his quad bike
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> adama, yes, just googled it
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> adama, I wrote my own basic recently though - it uses SDL too...
[21:32] <reider59> no helmet (they still argue over that one), no ins, no tax, popped wheelies on rear two wheels, then the side ones, tried to get it on one and th eaxle busted, the drive cog left an imprint in his hand
[21:33] <Gadgetoid> Anyone know how I'd flip a byte in C?
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> adama, although the SDL stuff is sort of hidden from the user code - you just get the usual graphics cartesian & turtle commands and sprites.
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, you mean bit 0 -> 7, etc?
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> or invert 0's to 1's ?
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> to invert: x = ~y
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> ;
[21:34] <adama> turtle :>
[21:34] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: As a terrible example, I have 0x1FF and believe I need 0x0
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> adama, http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb1.png
[21:35] <Gadgetoid> They're hex representations of the decimal values 0,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256 added together, so if the value was 128+256 I'd need it to be 2+4+8+64 instead
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[21:35] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, x = ~(y & 0xFF) ;
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[21:35] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Basically, I'm trying to create a "lcdCharacterInverted" functon
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> well ~ is simple bit inversion.
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[21:38] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Thanks, ~ worked a treat... so simple!
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> brb going for a spot of supper.
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[21:41] <iKy1e> What languages are available for the pi?
[21:41] <iKy1e> I thought it'd be assembly only but I get the impression there are more then that.
[21:41] <muep> iKy1e: pretty much all of them which are available on GNU/Linux
[21:42] <muep> more than it makes sense to enumerate on IRC. anyway including C, C++, Python, Perl, scheme etc
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[21:43] <iKy1e> Ok, thanks.
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[21:55] <chandoo> hello :)
[21:55] <chandoo> i just recieved my pi shipment
[21:56] <reider59> Nice one, welcome to the ROC
[21:56] <reider59> RasPi Owners Club
[21:57] <markllama> do we have a secret handshake?
[21:57] <f8ba208e18> RSA
[21:57] <Gadgetoid> Are there any bitmap-to-lcd converters an apt-get away?
[22:00] <chandoo> reider59:-} thank you :)
[22:00] <reider59> yw
[22:00] <chandoo> happy to receive both of them at a time
[22:01] <chandoo> excited
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[22:03] <chandoo> reider59:-} how to identify if it is A or B version based on board, specs paper says A 500-700mah , B 700-1200mah
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[22:03] <muep> A boards are currently very rare
[22:04] <chandoo> :) so what i have is B
[22:04] <reider59> It will be a B
[22:04] <muep> yes
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[22:04] <muep> my impression is that an A board would lack the ethernet connector and the second USB one
[22:05] <chandoo> ob board it says Raspberry Pi (c) 2011
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[22:05] <katom> yeah, running my raspberry pi for the first time.
[22:05] <katom> good evening btw.
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[22:06] <chandoo> it should work on mini usb without external power right?
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[22:07] <reider59> was just thinking that, there was a pic in th eforum last week, maybe a video
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, what sort of lcd are you looking at - is it a font you're after?
[22:07] <muep> chandoo: you might want to use something more powerful than a computer usb port
[22:07] <chandoo> there is no mini usb to power, it looks something different may be micro usb?
[22:08] <muep> chandoo: a common usb port is only required to be able to support 500 ma
[22:08] <katom> anyone has a tip whats the must-have-packages to install?
[22:08] <muep> all the usb connector types (standard, mini, micro) can transfer power, too
[22:08] <mythos> katom, depends on what you want to do
[22:09] <muep> the squeeze image has quite wide set necessary things already included
[22:09] <katom> yeah, right - dunno ;D apache, tomcat, openjdk, screen and so on are already installed.
[22:09] <katom> and irssi as well :D
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[22:11] <chandoo> muep:-} okay , no worries i have plenty of power adapters, i will make sure it has 5v and some where around 1A
[22:12] <katom> has anybody experience on running a nodejs server on a raspberry pi?
[22:12] <chandoo> what next
[22:12] <muep> chandoo: yes, such an adapter would be spot on for powering the rpi
[22:12] <booyaa> katom: sup man?
[22:13] <booyaa> i know archlinux has the latest stable, what kinda stuff you planning on using with node?
[22:13] <katom> booyaa: thx fine.
[22:13] <chandoo> my touchpad adpater socket is good, but it has 5.3v and 2.1A which is way more
[22:13] <booyaa> most of the time it's not actually node getting hammered it'll be mongo or your db that will prolly kill the rpi
[22:14] <katom> booyaa: just playing around...i'm on debian atm. is there a port for nodejs too?
[22:14] <booyaa> katom: i think (based on grepping the package list) raspbian does have node
[22:14] <muep> chandoo: surplus capacity in current side should not harm at all. I'd guess the voltage may be a bit sensitive, though
[22:15] <booyaa> debian form the .org site doesn't
[22:15] <booyaa> i believe it's v0.6 in the case of raspbian
[22:15] <chandoo> they should have put some label on board, i guess black is power next to yellow video
[22:15] <chandoo> muep:-} are you sure more current is good
[22:15] <katom> are you using "apt-get install" or the new aptitude? dunno which is betta.
[22:15] <booyaa> katom: if you're feeling brave you could also xc
[22:15] <booyaa> katom: i was using apt-get mostly cause that what i'm used to
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[22:16] <chandoo> leaf let says 700-1220mah for model B
[22:16] <katom> booyaa: same here, apt-get :D
[22:16] <booyaa> i seem to think aptitude is the recommended way, but that was years ago and apt still appears to be around
[22:16] <muep> chandoo: yes, the actual current being drawn through the wire will depend on how much the rpi will try to draw. the rpi documentation says that it should not draw more than 700 ma
[22:16] <katom> what does you mean by xc?
[22:16] <booyaa> right outta here
[22:16] <booyaa> katom: pm me dude if you have any more questions. i'm always on here 24/7
[22:16] <booyaa> katom: cross compile
[22:16] <katom> booyaa: thanks for feedback.
[22:17] <katom> i'll do if ness..
[22:17] <muep> chandoo: the bigger the current spec of your power supply, the more the rpi can safely draw without causing trouble like overheating the supply or having the voltage temporarily drop
[22:18] <chandoo> so 2.1A with 5v is safe muep ?
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[22:18] <muep> pretty same as how it is for power supplies of bigger computers
[22:18] <chandoo> picture shows there is only one power socket which is micro usb
[22:19] <chandoo> i thought black socket is power, using adapter
[22:19] <muep> yes. my impression is that the micro usb socket is solely for powering the board
[22:19] <muep> the black round socket is for audio output
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[22:19] <chandoo> no other power socket except micro usb
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> a psu capable of more amps is fine. no problems there. in-fact often better.
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> micro usb is only for power, yes.
[22:20] <muep> the voltage of the power supply is often more stable when you do not push it as far as it theoretically go
[22:20] <RAThomas> got a list of additional config.txt tags, most of which google has nothing to say about:
[22:20] <RAThomas> http://pastebin.com/sDLSZ1hU
[22:20] <chandoo> Hum.... i am not sure if i have any micro usb power supply, let me dig into my parts box
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> chandoo, phone charger, etc.. ?
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[22:21] <RAThomas> I'd stay away from changing things like current_limit_override, though ;)
[22:21] <muep> phone chargers with micro usb connectors are quite common nowadays
[22:22] <RAThomas> I wonder if the "boot_signing..." tags might have something to do with enabling DRM licensing?
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[22:22] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, I guess that's from running strings on the binaries...
[22:22] <RAThomas> pretty much
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[22:26] <RAThomas> gordonDrogon: know if anyone's made a concerted effort to try out some of these?
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, no idea, sorry...
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[22:28] <RAThomas> some toward the end of the list may not belong... starting around "gpio_pads0"
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[22:30] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, the 'pads' probably refer to the pads drivers - you can current limit them IIRC and there are a few groups of pad drivers
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[22:36] <RAThomas> wonder if the "PLL..." ones actually let you manually configure the PLLs
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, who knows - the issue will be finding the defaults ...
[22:39] <RAThomas> oh, yes. I wouldn't know where to start.
[22:41] <Walther> Has anyone added a samba share under linux/pi?
[22:41] <Walther> It would be the next step for me in my home/backup server process
[22:42] <RAThomas> Walther: I just tried installing samba on wheezy... package doesn't exist.
[22:42] <RAThomas> so I can't test that right now
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[22:44] <Aldasa> Walther, I have sshfs running smoothly. max tranfer 1.2mb/s due to the encryption
[22:44] <Aldasa> havnt tried samba though
[22:44] <RAThomas> Aldasa: best I got with scp was 3.0 Mb/s... CPU was maxed out
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> I've NFS mounted stuff, but don't really have a need for samba in the home/office ... no Win PCs!
[22:45] <Aldasa> Mine went as low as 0.7 earlier :/
[22:45] <Walther> Aldasa: must have samba, as my parents and sister are Win users :/
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[22:45] <Walther> I want a "network drive"
[22:48] <RAThomas> Walther: http://lifehacker.com/5637092/turn-a-pogoplug-into-a-fully+featured-linux-web-server
[22:48] <RAThomas> My brother got a cheap one, loaded Linux on it, hung a big USB drive onto it
[22:49] <chandoo> looks like i dont have any micro usb port adapters
[22:49] <chandoo> except one from touchpad, which is 5.3v and 2.1A
[22:49] <Walther> RAThomas: web server is unnecessary
[22:49] <mebus_pi> Hi! What's the best way to get IPv6 support in the Debian image (original kernel does not support it)?
[22:50] <chandoo> what is the best cheap adapter i can get on ebay
[22:50] <Aldasa> chandoo, the 5.3 should be fine
[22:50] <Dagger2> mebus_pi: use the Wheezy test version. it's available in that
[22:50] <Walther> RAThomas: I just need a "network drive" capability for Win machines for backup reasons
[22:50] <RAThomas> yeah, webserver wasn't really my point. It's just that you can get existing, cheap hardware that's already packaged properly and turn it into anything that the combo of Linux and the hardware can do
[22:50] <mebus_pi> Dagger2: does this mean I need a new image or can this be done via upgrading?
[22:51] <chandoo> Aldasa:-} 5.3v 2.0A, touchpad charger
[22:51] <Dagger2> not sure. Debian normally supports upgrades, but I don't know if this one has been tested
[22:51] <chandoo> Aldasa:-} will get any smoke if it doesn't like?
[22:51] <Dagger2> (an upgrade would be really slow on the SD card too. dding a new image would be much faster)
[22:52] <Aldasa> 5.3v is within operating range. It needs at least 700ma so 2A is even better
[22:52] <mebus_pi> Dagger2: it would be good if I could just change the kernel package or so.
[22:53] <Walther> RAThomas: I'm aware
[22:53] <Dagger2> you could probably also pull a kernel and modules from a distro which supports it (the RH and Arch distros should do, and they have the same kernel version as the Squeeze distro)
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[22:53] <Walther> RAThomas: I could also go and buy a LACIE drive with all the features- but I don't really have ~100 money handy
[22:54] <chandoo> is anyone using touchpad charger to power rspi
[22:56] <mebus_pi> would it be possible to only change the kernel.img?
[22:56] <Aldasa> chandoo, http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#Power
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> mebus_pi, yes, it's possible to just change kernel.img - if you have a suitable kernel.
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[22:58] <mebus_pi> gordonDrogon: so if I overwrite the kernel.img from my current debian with the kernel.img from the testing debian I might have a working setup and also have the ipv6 module?
[22:58] <mebus_pi> or is there anything else I need to change?
[22:58] <Dagger2> you'll need the module too...
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> mebus_pi, you may... but also look at the /lib/modules/x.y.z too
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> I don't know what modules the supplied kernels need...
[22:59] <Dagger2> (/lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -- you only need to copy the kernel over because you need the matching kernel for the modules you're using)
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> however, have you run rpi-update yet?
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> doesn't the latest kernel have ipv6 in it?
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> I'd be tempted to do the whole hog: (as root) apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; rpi-update
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> although I think wheezy has rpi-update as a package...
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[23:01] <RAThomas> gordonDrogon: the wheezy image seems to have v6
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[23:03] <mebus_pi> ah! I'm on squeeze :-/
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> RAThomas, really not sure why it wouldn't these days, but I'd still suggest usinf rpi-update to fetch the latest kernel for debian squeeze...
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> mebus_pi, that's the current debian stable.
[23:04] <mebus_pi> ok. I should upgrade to wheezy.
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> should you?
[23:04] <mebus_pi> wheezy has got IPv6, right?
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> ach then again, ignore me. I've been using debian stable for the past 18 years.
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[23:04] <mebus_pi> so before I start building a new kernel, upgrading might be easier, doesn't it?
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> is it?
[23:05] <mebus_pi> dunno.
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> I really don't know. I have relatively strong opinions on running 'testing' software.
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> however I am running Raspbian on one Pi and Wheezy on another (and Debian stable) on a third.
[23:05] <Dagger2> mebus_pi: or there's the option of using an existing kernel with v6 modules... but yeah, I'd upgrade to wheezy before going to the effort of building a custom kernel
[23:06] <Dagger2> since you'll have to do that upgrade at some point anyway
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> I'd start 'fresh' and download the wheezy image rather than dist-upgrade.
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> however, I'm pretty sure the supported kernel obtained by rpi-update has ipv6.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> so personally I'd go that route first, then look at wheezy.
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> I am somewhat irritated that the foundation are pushing a 'testing' version of Debian rather than the stable one, but that's just me.
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[23:07] <mebus_pi> gordonDrogon: ok.
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> just be prepared to do apt-get update/upgrade ... daily.
[23:07] <mebus_pi> so https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/ ?
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> that's the one.
[23:08] <mebus_pi> doesn't look like the debian way of doing things ;-)
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> if Debian had kicked off the freeze for Wheezy then I'd probably think differently... but things can still change under you.
[23:08] <chandoo> Aldasa:-} on page it says above the multimeter picture "Use a multimeter which is set to the range 20 volts DC (or 20v =). You should see a voltage between 4.75 and 5.25 volts"
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> rpi-update isn't the debian way, no, but no-one in the foundation put together a "proper" kernel update - along with the GPU boot files, etc.
[23:09] <chandoo> is that what i can connect 5.3v 2.0A
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> the amps isn't relevant as long as it's above 700mA.
[23:09] <chandoo> gordonDrogon:-} okay
[23:09] <Walther> Oooh... I got an insane idea
[23:10] <chandoo> let me connect touchpad charger and see, i trust you Aldasa
[23:10] <Walther> having a RPi to run some guitar effects and feed a tube amp :P
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> Heh... 2 LCDs being driven from the same Pi now with different displays.
[23:11] <chandoo> i see red led
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> I see skys .... blue .... red roses too ...
[23:11] <chandoo> is that means power is okay gordonDrogon ?
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> probably. ought to see more LEDs though.
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> is this the first power-up?
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[23:12] <chandoo> gordonDrogon:-} yes
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> ok - do you have a display connected?
[23:12] <chandoo> no, i am in fron of pc
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[23:12] <gordonDrogon> ok - ethernet?
[23:12] <chandoo> no
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> ok. not really a good way to find out if it's working :)
[23:13] <chandoo> just connected power to see if it blew up or not ;)
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> Next to the power LED is the OK led... it ought to flicker as it's booting.
[23:13] <habs> Is there a way to start apps like Geany in their own instances of X, i.e. without a window manager? Don't we have four X ttys for a reason?
[23:13] <chandoo> no sdcard yet
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> habs, it may be possible to start separate X servers on the PI - it often is on x86 PCs...
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> chandoo, well - that's about it - other than having a 3 watt heater :)
[23:14] <chandoo> gordonDrogon:-} does it boot even without sd card in it
[23:14] <habs> gordonDrogon: But, in other words, can I run GUI apps on the Pi without a window/display manager?
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> chandoo, nope. it needs the SD card .
[23:15] <chandoo> okay
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[23:15] <chandoo> so okay light blinking
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> habs, you can run them on the Pi, yes, but then you need an x-windows server to display them - that could be another PC running X.
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> chandoo, the SoC/GPU has a tiny ROM in it that only knows one thing: How to read a single file off the SD card and run it...
[23:16] <habs> gordonDrogon: OK; I have an X server installed so that is no problem for me, but what is the syntax/procedure for doing such a thing?
[23:16] <chandoo> gordonDrogon:-} what good image i can use, i want to first connect to my tv , with wifi card in one usb and other usb wireless htpc keyboard
[23:16] <chandoo> gordonDrogon:-} okay
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> habs, generally, X is a network client/server type of thing. you tell the client program where to display its output using the environment variable DISPLAY
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> chandoo, I don't know anymore. I started with the standard debian, but peopel are now using Debian Wheezy.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> if you've not used Linux before, I'd probably suggest the standard Debian. (codename Squeeze). but if feeling brave, then find the Wheezy version
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[23:18] <Aldasa> chandoo, if using a wifi card, i would recommend using a powered usb hub. some wifi dongle draw a lot of power
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> yes - wifi sucks power and the on-board USBs are limited to 140mA.
[23:19] <chandoo> even with 2.0A adapter
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[23:19] <Aldasa> usb is fused. I think only 100ma per port
[23:20] <chandoo> i have one battery powered usbhub, which takes up 4 AAA batteries, i will use that
[23:21] <mebus_pi> should I care about this error: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ULHUhyb6 ?
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[23:24] <Walther> mebus_pi: ask at the official channel
[23:24] <chandoo> Aldasa:-} gordonDrogon i have this http://s3.amazonaws.com/wootsaleimages/CyberPower_USB_Hub_4-Port_2.0_with_Rechargeable_Battery_PackyrnDetail.jpg
[23:24] <Walther> oh wait - sorry :D
[23:24] <Walther> this is what happens when you're *actively* chatting on two channels and have like 20 open
[23:24] <chandoo> those batteries should be fine right on powered hub 650mah
[23:25] <reider59> police still there and a van turned up too, not looking good. Don`t know how long they`ve been there now.
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[23:26] <Aldasa> chandoo, worst case scenario: it wont work.
[23:27] <Aldasa> mebus_pi, found this: http://blog.pixelami.com/2012/06/raspberry-pi-firmware-update-for-debian-squeeze/
[23:28] <mebus_pi> Aldasa: I ran ldconfig and rpi-update again
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[23:28] <mebus_pi> might be worth trying to reboot?
[23:28] <chandoo> Aldasa:-} okay
[23:29] <mebus_pi> cu later folks...
[23:29] <reider59> If you have problems and can get Wheezy on, SSH is built in. Then you can use Putty to instigate VNC direct from Windows, it calls it on the Pi as and when needed so you don`t need to start VNC running first. Then you will see your Pi Desktop in Windows. Don`t know if this helps, I`ve been a little busy and distracted here
[23:29] <Aldasa> mebus_pi, yea, then do a uname -a
[23:29] <mebus_pi> Aldasa: ok.
[23:29] <mebus_pi> thanks.
[23:29] <Aldasa> to get the build time of the latest kernel
[23:30] <Aldasa> just to make sure its newer
[23:30] * mebus_pi (~mebus@bocholt.weh.rwth-aachen.de) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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[23:30] * PiBot sets mode +v Joshun
[23:30] <Joshun> hi
[23:30] <Joshun> would anyone mind checking if a script is safe
[23:30] <Joshun> i think most of it is
[23:31] <Joshun> its like raspi-config
[23:31] <reider59> XMing is the Windows program
[23:31] * s[x] (~sx]@ppp59-167-157-96.static.internode.on.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:31] <Joshun> but supports changing tvmode etc
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[23:32] * PiBot sets mode +v jgeboski
[23:33] * ErgoProxy (~ErgoProxy@158.Red-81-39-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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[23:35] <reider59> http://www.thepiuser.co.uk/ Check out "Remotely Access Your Raspberry Pi From Windows".... It allows you to use the Pi and sort out USB Hubs/keyboards later if necessary whilst still allowing you to use it.
[23:35] <Joshun> anbody know where you can find resize2fs?
[23:35] * tech2077 (~tech2077@107-1-61-118-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[23:36] <katom> Joshun: for me it was already installed.
[23:36] <Joshun> oh found it
[23:36] <katom> (debian squeezy)
[23:36] <Joshun> just wasn't in the search path
[23:36] <reider59> Gordon did a Blog about that
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[23:38] * PiBot sets mode +v mebus_Pi
[23:38] <mebus_Pi> IPv6 is working!
[23:38] <Joshun> my filesystem seems to be set as /dev/root for some reason
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[23:41] <reider59> I think resizing the empty space on the SD Card is Admin status
[23:41] <reider59> Could be wrong
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[23:42] * PiBot sets mode +v UnderSampled
[23:43] <Joshun> well only as root
[23:43] <Joshun> but /dev/root is a device
[23:43] <Joshun> probably because i made the image myself
[23:43] <Joshun> has its own configuration script too
[23:44] <Joshun> easily lets you change tv mode, boot options and install a desktop env
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[23:46] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, some stuff here about resizing if you've not seen it: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[23:46] <Joshun> thanks, i used your site for some info :)
[23:46] <Joshun> its really an alternative to raspi-config
[23:47] <Joshun> slightly easier to use too
[23:47] * gordonDrogon looks at http://www.thepiuser.co.uk/
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[23:47] <gordonDrogon> Who's behind it? anyone know?
[23:47] * PiBot sets mode +v JMichaelX
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> or anyone here?
[23:48] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: whois is your friend
[23:48] * jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, yup - checked that :) marginally confused by the http://www.thepiuser.co.uk/author/rich/ page
[23:49] <dmsuse> there are only like 5 users in this chat, why would they be here
[23:50] <Gadget-Mac> http://www.thepiuser.co.uk/author/philip/
[23:50] * JMichaelX is now known as JMichael|Pi
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> heh got my dual LCD headded Pi going properly now - I can write to either of 2 LCD screens - and up to 6 more!
[23:50] <Gadget-Mac> Looks like a bunch of people from Cardiff Uni
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: you need to make up a device to sell on ebay. You could call it a Pydra.
[23:51] * Workingpup is now known as KwisA
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi2lcd.jpg but I like the Pydra name :)
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[23:52] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:52] <Joshun> would anybody mind checking this bash script: http://pastebin.com/aFw3WZ9Q
[23:53] <Joshun> its for easy rpi configuration
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-2-SPI-Interface-TFT-LCD-Touch-Panel-176x220-Dots-262K-Colors-4-IO-Needed-/170860428742?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c8133dc6
[23:53] * johnthebear (~Johnthebe@13-167-147.client.wireless.msu.edu) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> Now, if someone would make a leetle driver for those that presented them as multiheaded X displays...
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, the expand will only work after the partition-size has been changed
[23:54] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[23:54] <Joshun> how would you set that
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, almost giving it away!
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, hard - unless you're into parsing the output of fdisk, etc. and being very very careful!
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> The touchscreen is unfortunately harder to use
[23:55] <reider59> Til you add import duty.....
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> yea .. even so nine dollars!
[23:56] * Meatballs is now known as Meatballs|Away
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> reider59: Import duty is not payable on that price - nor is VAT
[23:56] <reider59> nice one
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> (If you ordered more than two, it might be.
[23:57] <Blazemore> I bought a Pi for ??26 delivered. Sold it yesterday to someone in Israel for ??66
[23:57] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - does everything else look okayish on the script? i will remove that for now and may get it to execute parts of raspi-config
[23:57] <reider59> sounds like car doors going on the police car and van, see what happens now
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, I think so - but without running it ...
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[23:58] <dmsuse> Blazemore: 26, how you manage that?
[23:59] <Joshun> i'll have to make an image of it, the directory structure is quite specific
[23:59] <Joshun> it has references in /etc
[23:59] <reider59> Rather keep my Pi

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