#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-07-11

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[0:01] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, they give you shed-loads of code for it. I just downloaded their .rar file!
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[0:13] <mebus_pi> HELO IPv6 world. Firmware upgrade helped.
[0:13] <aaa801> http://pastebin.ca/2169479 :(
[0:14] <Gunni> hmm
[0:15] <Gunni> why no deb-src ?
[0:15] <Gunni> Err http://archive.qmh-project.org unstable/main Sources
[0:16] <aaa801> they put main two times aswell gunni
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[0:17] <Gunni> i was trying apt-get build-dep
[0:17] <Gunni> didn't work
[0:17] <Gunni> got this: "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list"
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[0:19] <Gunni> no idea which 'source' i need
[0:20] <Joshun> the qmh-project.org ones in sources.list.d
[0:20] <Joshun> you can just do cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[0:20] <Joshun> find a file that is similar to qmh project
[0:21] <Joshun> edit it and comment out the sources
[0:21] <Gunni> no file in that folder
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[0:23] <aaa801> just add deb-src
[0:23] <aaa801> copy all the lines in there
[0:23] <aaa801> and change deb to deb-src
[0:23] <aaa801> at the start
[0:23] <Gunni> i did
[0:23] <Gunni> in the sources.list file
[0:23] <Gunni> but i got an err from that
[0:24] <aaa801> show me what you put?
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[0:25] <Gunni> http://codepad.org/32eT8Xuc
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[0:30] <Gunni> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.qmh-project.org/rpi/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found
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[0:32] <lmarcetic> Did you see the article on Slashdot: "Rapsberry Pi Model G out, you can buy Model B right now!" ?
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[0:33] <aaa801> FINALY
[0:33] <lmarcetic> Oh wait, that's an article from the future. Year 2037
[0:33] <aaa801> got bluetooth to !!@!22 install on raspmc
[0:35] <gordonDrogon> Gunni, you can probably comment those lines out of /etc/apt/sources.list for now...
[0:35] <jac-macondo> running wheezy beta running with wifi and bluetooth except that BT mouse ir very unstable... maybe should have bought the $30 one, not the $12 one :)
[0:35] <chandoo> gordonDrogon:-} what is the limit on sd card size
[0:37] <chandoo> 2gb SD Card is good enough?
[0:37] <gordonDrogon> chandoo, don't know really. I suppose 32GB? More?
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[0:37] <gordonDrogon> I'm using 4GB ones.
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[0:37] <gordonDrogon> the supplied images are designed to fit into 2GB cards.
[0:37] <chandoo> i downloade debian-xmbc
[0:38] <JMichael|Pi> should a raspi post something to a monitor, connected via HDMI, if there is no SD card inserted?
[0:38] <jac-macondo> I'm running on a 8GB, i've read ppl using 16GB, haven't read anyone using 32GB
[0:38] <ReggieUK> nope
[0:38] <JMichael|Pi> ReggieUK: ty
[0:39] <gordonDrogon> JMichael|Pi, nothing at all...
[0:39] <hamitron> ReggieUK: could the contents of the SD card be moved into the RAM, so it could be removed? or is the firmware required to be there?
[0:39] <JMichael|Pi> i am going to guess then that somehow i did not manage get the OS onto the SD card properly
[0:39] <aaa801> im using a 32 gb card
[0:40] <gordonDrogon> hamitron, in theory yes - if there was enough ram. I'm sure I read (here) of someone doing it via nfs or iSCSI though..
[0:40] <jac-macondo> what class aaa001?
[0:40] <aaa801> class 4
[0:40] <hamitron> gordonDrogon: cool, it was just the extra "binary blob" that made me wonder
[0:41] <hamitron> and 256MB is plenty!
[0:41] <jac-macondo> what distro are you running, and how is it handaling?
[0:41] <hamitron> ;)
[0:41] <aaa801> ive had debian on it
[0:41] <aaa801> handling fine
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[0:41] <aaa801> running raspmc atm
[0:41] <jac-macondo> very cool
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[0:41] <jac-macondo> I'm trying to get my BT keyboard to connect at bootup
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[0:46] <gordonDrogon> hamitron, I know - I run my little embedded systems in 256MB - split half and half for the OS and the ramdisk containing root, etc. however on the Pi, you'll not be able to run very much in 128MB (minus what the GPU takes)
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[0:48] <hamitron> depends on the use
[0:48] <hamitron> :)
[0:48] <hamitron> I only really want a command line
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[0:48] <hamitron> well, some of the time
[0:48] <hamitron> :D
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> I ssh into mine most of the time..
[0:49] <Gadgetoid> Whew, so much githubbing today my brain has esploded
[0:49] <gordonDrogon> :)
[0:49] <gordonDrogon> http://youtu.be/BBf3U--tNL8
[0:49] <Gadgetoid> I need about 3 more Pi's, or some sort of GPIO hot-swap system
[0:50] * gordonDrogon me to!!!
[0:50] <Gadgetoid> Nice! gordonDrogon
[0:50] <Gadgetoid> Regression testing on libraries which involve GPIO output... not easy
[0:50] <gordonDrogon> I hate my own voice ...
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> so that'll be a new module in wiringPi tomorow.
[0:51] <Gadgetoid> Didn't have the sound on, so no worries there :D I have similar problems in my videos. The old "argh? Do I really sound like that!?" conundrum
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> it's only another ~400 lines...
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> I need a better video camera. that one is all blocky and horrible.
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'll save some toy money for one.
[0:52] <Gadgetoid> I get good video from my plain ol' digital cameras
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> that is a digital camera...
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[0:52] <gordonDrogon> a 9 10 year old digital camera...
[0:52] <Gadgetoid> I got good *underwater* video from my Sony
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> this camera has been underwater too.
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> in a housing that cost me over ?1000 )-:
[0:53] <Gadgetoid> Jeees, that's more than my entire camera :D
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> underwater photography is a stupidly expensive hobby.
[0:53] <Gadgetoid> Both my camera put together, in fact!
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> the housing & strobe were more than the camera and now it's useless more or less as the camera is old, slow and obsolete.
[0:53] <Gadgetoid> Mine wouldn't have lasted underwater to any significant depth, but it worked fine in saltwater for a half hour or so
[0:54] <gordonDrogon> I took mine to 75m a few times...
[0:54] <Gadgetoid> Got some good footage of fish in Discovery Cove
[0:55] <Gadgetoid> Now, I think I should disconnect the silly 7-segment stuff from my Pi and hook up my new cheapo LCD
[0:55] <gordonDrogon> http://drogon.net/scuba/Sharm-March-2006/
[0:55] <gordonDrogon> I got a 7-segment display today along with the watch...
[0:55] <gordonDrogon> that's next on my list of stuff to hook up.
[0:56] <JMichael|Pi> can a person just unzip an image to the SD card, rather than using dd?
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[0:57] <gordonDrogon> JMichael|Pi, probably not.
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[0:57] <JMichael|Pi> gordonDrogon: i seem to never be able to dd an image properly to an SD card... i think with my zipit z2, i just unzipped imaged to the SD card, and they worked
[0:58] <JMichael|Pi> images*
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[1:00] <reider59> This is bad, police van and car left, 2 more police cars next door and it`s nigh on midnight. Been there a few hours now. Keep my stick close tonight.
[1:00] <gordonDrogon> JMichael|Pi, are you on a linux platform to do the unzipping?
[1:00] <JMichael|Pi> gordonDrogon: yes
[1:01] <JMichael|Pi> i halfway wonder if this card reader doesn't have some kind of issue
[1:01] <gordonDrogon> JMichael|Pi, should have a problem doing the dd after the unzip I'd have though - dd if=image of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=8M or so?
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[1:01] <Gadgetoid> reider59: Your neighbours sound as fun as ours
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[1:02] <JMichael|Pi> gordonDrogon: well, i used bs=1M, but otherwise, that is what i did
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[1:02] <reider59> normod^, it`s normally a quiet block and they`re OK next door. Just he had some trouble a while back when he told a druggie or dealer where to get off. Made it plain he didn`t like him shall we say
[1:02] <JMichael|Pi> is the unzipped image around 2GB in size?
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[1:04] <gordonDrogon> JMichael|Pi, that's all I did on my laptops to create the images... did a synd afterwards, then popped the card out & back in agaig to get linux to recognise the new partitions, but other than tha...
[1:05] <gordonDrogon> JMichael|Pi, yea - ought to be just under.
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[1:05] <JMichael|Pi> yea, it just simply does not work.
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[1:06] <JMichael|Pi> dd using this machine & card reader cannot get an image onto the SD card
[1:06] <JMichael|Pi> dunno what the issue is.
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[1:06] <aaa801> Must.. get... wiimote.. working with .. raspmc
[1:06] <aaa801> xD
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> off to bed time
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> zzz
[1:09] <JMichael|Pi> after the dd, the machine cannot see the partitions
[1:10] <Walther> JMichael|Pi: Did you dd to a partition by accident?
[1:10] <Walther> JMichael|Pi: dd of=/dev/sda1 instead of dd of=/dev/sda
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[1:10] <Walther> latter is the correct one
[1:10] <JMichael|Pi> Walther: tyvm, yes indeed i did
[1:10] <JMichael|Pi> good grief
[1:11] <Walther> I did that the first time as well
[1:11] <Walther> easy catch to help you
[1:11] <JMichael|Pi> many thanks
[1:11] <ReggieUK> hamitron, are you still about?
[1:11] <ReggieUK> not sure I quite understand your last question
[1:13] <Walther> Apparently raspbian + latest firmware + lates updates -> no crash on high usb/eth throughput
[1:13] <Walther> *now* it works
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[1:14] * aaa801 pokes ReggieUK
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[1:14] * ReggieUK peeks aaa801
[1:14] <aaa801> ReggieUK, ive been tryign all day to get wiimote working on raspmc :D
[1:14] <ReggieUK> I haven't even tried yet
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[1:15] <aaa801> Im about 3/4 way there
[1:15] <ReggieUK> I got the bluetooth working no problem last time I tried (both of my dongles, belkin and random ??3 mini bt dongle)
[1:15] <aaa801> poundworld ones work fine aswell
[1:16] <Ben64> ReggieUK: what steps to get bt working?
[1:16] <aaa801> i had some issues getting bluez to install
[1:16] <eggy> I recently got a case from bulit to spec
[1:16] <Ben64> i insert my adapter and hcitool doesn't work
[1:16] <aaa801> dbus not enabled etc
[1:16] <eggy> love the silly thing now :)
[1:16] <aaa801> apt-get install bluetooth
[1:16] <Ben64> done that
[1:16] <aaa801> err
[1:16] <aaa801> when u plug it in
[1:16] <aaa801> whats dmesg say
[1:17] <Ben64> [ 2477.145663] usb 1-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=0a12, idProduct=0001
[1:17] <Ben64> [ 2477.145711] usb 1-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0
[1:17] * Walther set up his pi + usb hdd + powered hub into an old CD drive
[1:17] <Walther> Trust me, it fits nice and smooth :)
[1:17] <Walther> plenty of space
[1:18] <aaa801> =/
[1:18] <aaa801> my wiimote hates me
[1:18] <aaa801> doesnt appear to be sending ir data
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[1:21] <Walther> ...using top, can I view the network usage of tasks?
[1:21] <Walther> or list them accordingly
[1:22] <Ben64> there might be a version of top that could do that, but probably not regular top
[1:22] <Ben64> atop maybe?
[1:24] * Blazemore is now known as Blazemore|sleeps
[1:25] <JMichael|Pi> the raspi is booting!!
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[1:25] <Walther> JMichael|Pi: hehe, congrats
[1:25] <JMichael|Pi> ty!
[1:25] <Walther> JMichael|Pi: now the most frequently asked question - what to do with it
[1:25] <Ben64> media center!
[1:26] <JMichael|Pi> Walther: yes, that is the big question
[1:26] <ReggieUK> I'm just plugging things in now
[1:26] <Ben64> $ hcitool scan
[1:26] <Ben64> Device is not available: No such device
[1:26] <ReggieUK> I had a small issue with needing the keyboard plugged into the pi directly otherwise I'd get sticky keys with the bluetooth
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[1:26] <JMichael|Pi> is it normal for there to be a long pause at 'stopping portmap daemon'?
[1:26] <Walther> ...now I ran into another problem
[1:26] <Walther> 80% [====================================> ] 3,676,200,960 146K/s in 70m 50s
[1:26] <Walther> Cannot write to `download.php?target=media%2Fmovie%2FValkaama_720p.mkv' (Read-only file system).
[1:27] <ReggieUK> I'm just doing an apt-get update so the repo is up to date
[1:27] <Walther> while dl'ing multiple files
[1:27] <Ben64> lsusb shows - Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
[1:27] <Ben64> what am i doing wrong?
[1:27] <chandoo> hi
[1:27] <chandoo> i flashed debian xmbc image
[1:27] <chandoo> connected to tv with hdmi and power adapter
[1:28] <chandoo> i see red and green lights which is power and OK
[1:28] <chandoo> but nothing on screen
[1:28] <hamitron> ReggieUK: linux root filesystems can be copied into the RAM to run from there, is there anything the r-pi stores on the SD card that can't be moved off it?
[1:28] <chandoo> how long it will take to show up on tv
[1:28] <Ben64> hamitron: firmware
[1:28] <ReggieUK> yes, the elf file at least
[1:28] <hamitron> sorry, was away (fans playing up in comp)
[1:28] <hamitron> thought the firmware may be an issue
[1:28] <hamitron> :/
[1:28] <ReggieUK> and the kernel (unless we can write our own elf files)
[1:28] <ReggieUK> well, a file called kernel.img :D
[1:28] <chandoo> any step i am missing here
[1:29] <Ben64> rpi *needs* the fat partition to work
[1:29] <hamitron> I thought kernel can load into RAM?
[1:29] <Gadgetoid> Well, I'll be... I just painted my LCD black in Python
[1:29] <reider59> wiggle the HDMI lead
[1:29] <adama> the kernel does load into ram
[1:29] <adama> how else would it run?
[1:29] <chandoo> reider59:-} okay
[1:29] <hamitron> yeh
[1:29] <adama> but it has to load from somewhere
[1:29] <hamitron> but once loaded off the SD card....
[1:29] <ReggieUK> do you want to load the kernel, remove the sd card, then what? if you want to reboot at any time then the fat partition and those 2 files at least must be on an SD card inserted into the sd slot
[1:30] <adama> and the only FS the raspi bootloader can read is FAT
[1:30] <adama> hamitron: you could indeed remove the SD card
[1:30] * aaa801 launchs wiimote at ReggieUK >_>
[1:30] <adama> if you are booting from harddisk
[1:30] * ReggieUK dodges the pathetic attempted wounding
[1:30] <aaa801> it just isnt working
[1:30] <aaa801> =/
[1:30] <aaa801> its connected to the pi
[1:30] <ReggieUK> cwiid?
[1:30] <aaa801> but no actions =/
[1:30] <aaa801> ye
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[1:30] <Ben64> ReggieUK: so what am i missing to get bluetooth working?
[1:31] <aaa801> Ben64
[1:31] <aaa801> what does hcitool dev show
[1:31] <ReggieUK> I'm trying to run through what I did to get it working
[1:31] <Ben64> Devices:
[1:31] <reider59> a list of HCI actions
[1:31] <ReggieUK> at the moment I'm doing apt-get update
[1:31] <ReggieUK> so you're gonna have to wait til that's finished
[1:31] <Ben64> ok np
[1:31] <Ben64> just would like to get my bt kb working at some point
[1:31] <aaa801> Ben64, Did you install bluez and bluetooth?
[1:32] <aaa801> also
[1:32] <Ben64> i did bluetooth, not sure about bluez
[1:32] <aaa801> service bluetooth start
[1:32] <Ben64> and i'm trying to do this from command line, no x
[1:32] <aaa801> service bluetooth start <--
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[1:32] <Ben64> aaa801: did that, still doesn't show up in hcitool dev
[1:33] <aaa801> grr
[1:33] <aaa801> let me ssh in?
[1:33] <Ben64> : /
[1:33] <aaa801> im too tired to troubleshoot :(
[1:34] <Ben64> ii bluez 4.99-2 Bluetooth tools and daemons
[1:34] <Ben64> ok, so i do have that
[1:34] <aaa801> you running debian on the pi right
[1:34] <Ben64> yeah
[1:35] <aaa801> apt-get install bluetooth
[1:35] <aaa801> make sure its configured
[1:35] <aaa801> mine failed due to some dbus glitch
[1:35] <ReggieUK> did you try running dbus?
[1:35] <Ben64> maybe the dongle just isn't supported?
[1:35] <aaa801> it wasnt that dbus wasnt running
[1:35] <ReggieUK> I'm sure you did but how did you go about it?
[1:35] <aaa801> it was that it wasnt being enabled by the service
[1:35] <aaa801> =/
[1:36] <aaa801> some silly raspmc stuff
[1:36] <Ben64> [ 3547.280122] mmcblk0: error -110 sending stop command, original cmd response 0x900, card status 0x900
[1:36] <Ben64> my card doesn't seem to be liked
[1:36] <chandoo> reider59:-} it worked
[1:37] <chandoo> i didnt expect this with hdmi :)
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[1:38] <reider59> Sometimes the lead needs support, mine seemed to get better with a ?1 one from the pound shop though
[1:38] <chandoo> i downloaded from here, https://rpi-developers.com/ is this the site with xbmc
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[1:39] <chandoo> what is the login and password for xbmc
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[1:40] <reider59> might be pi root
[1:41] <aaa801> chandoo you using raspmc?
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[1:44] <ReggieUK> aaa801 is hcitool installed with bluez?
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[1:44] <aaa801> ye
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[1:46] <ReggieUK> ok, sooo, bluez installed perfectly (I think I'm using wheezy)
[1:46] <ReggieUK> I did: dbus-launch
[1:46] <ReggieUK> before I started the install
[1:47] <ReggieUK> hcitool dev returns data as expected
[1:48] <ReggieUK> and hcitool scan finds my phone :)
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[1:48] <curahack> Hey guys, long time :)
[1:48] <Walther> long time no ocean
[1:49] <aaa801> nice :D
[1:49] <ReggieUK> and it also finds my copilot bluetooth gps without problem
[1:49] <WASDx> YandexBot is one of my primary visitors at my webserver
[1:50] <ReggieUK> aaa801, so what exactly was the problem you are having?
[1:50] <curahack> is there any way the Pi's temprature can be monitored? I tried lm-sensors sensors-autodetect, but it failed
[1:51] <Walther> ^i'd be interested as well
[1:51] <WASDx> curahack: I use my fingers. Borderline pain means 55C or so
[1:51] <WASDx> It has no builtin thermometers so such software wont work
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[1:52] <curahack> ./sys/bus/pci/devices: No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/sensors-detect line 2547.
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[1:52] <ReggieUK> there aren't any built in temperature sensors
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[1:53] <SpeedEvil> And it's not got a PCI bus
[1:53] <curahack> no? I tought it came standard with the processor
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> Or an ISA bus.
[1:53] <JMichael|Pi> is wicd the way to go for a network manager?
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> curahack: Nope.
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> curahack: Not on the Pi.
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> curahack: Many processors don't come with temperature sensors.
[1:53] <curahack> hmn, ok
[1:53] <aaa801> ReggieUK: problems with cwiid actualy registering the button presses etc
[1:54] <SpeedEvil> Especially ones where they are not expected to have heatsinks.
[1:54] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, I can't read my LCD from here.... derrrrp
[1:56] <adama> curahack: you could build a temperature sensor, glue it to the cpu and reach it via gpio or usb :)
[1:56] <ReggieUK> can I apt-get cwiid?
[1:56] <chandoo> it worked
[1:56] <chandoo> user is pi
[1:57] <chandoo> password is raspberry
[1:57] <chandoo> board got warm, is this the common thing
[1:57] <chandoo> not hot but warm
[1:57] <curahack> adama I'm not that desperate ;)
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[1:57] <SpeedEvil> ChanServ: The board will get warm
[1:58] * SpeedEvil sighs.
[1:58] <JMichael|Pi> what would be the preferred network manager for the pi? should wicd work well, or would a person be better of not using a network manager (for wifi)?
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[2:00] <SIFTU> JMichael|Pi: I havent used one on the pi yet but I would try wicd first
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[2:01] <JMichael|Pi> one more question: should it generally be OK to apt-get upgrade & dist-upgrade?
[2:01] <JMichael|Pi> SIFTU: ty. i'll give wicd a shot
[2:02] <JMichael|Pi> upgrading now, so i guess i'll soon know :-D
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[2:10] <aaa801> [ 301.659493] input: Nintendo Wiimote as /devices/virtual/input/input0
[2:10] <aaa801> [ 310.331966] Bluetooth: hci0 command tx timeout
[2:10] <aaa801> =/
[2:11] <wry> That looks useful.
[2:11] <ReggieUK> do you get that timeout when you boot?
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[2:11] <aaa801> Nope, just shortly after connecting with wminput
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[2:13] <ReggieUK> how do I fix the uinput error?
[2:13] <iKy1e> Has anyone else got the emulator working on OSX?
[2:13] <aaa801> uniput error?
[2:13] <ReggieUK> unable to open uinput
[2:13] <aaa801> modprobe uinput
[2:14] <iKy1e> (also compared to yesterday there seems to be more activity at 1am then the last question I asked (2am))
[2:14] <ReggieUK> ok, well, that just works for me aaa801
[2:14] <ReggieUK> sudo modprobe uinput
[2:14] <aaa801> ye
[2:14] <aaa801> i have it linked
[2:14] <ReggieUK> sudo wminput
[2:15] <aaa801> but its not showing up as mouse
[2:15] <aaa801> etc
[2:15] <ReggieUK> got the ready bit
[2:15] <aaa801> ye
[2:15] <ReggieUK> push buttons, see junk on screen
[2:15] <aaa801> this is on xmbc
[2:15] <ReggieUK> I@m not using xbmc
[2:16] <ReggieUK> but for the most part it shouldn't be too much different
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[2:16] <aaa801> i dont think its liking the non existant x server
[2:16] <aaa801> :p
[2:16] <ReggieUK> I Don't see why
[2:16] <ReggieUK> I don't have x started and it's not whining at me
[2:16] <aaa801> its outputting some symbols on my term while booting
[2:17] <aaa801> WOO
[2:17] <aaa801> WORKING
[2:17] <aaa801> had to kill off xmbc
[2:17] <aaa801> Kinda working
[2:17] <aaa801> :)
[2:17] <Ben64> is apt-get upgrade supposed to update firmware?
[2:17] <aaa801> no
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[2:17] <Ben64> oh
[2:17] <ReggieUK> yes but do apt-get update first
[2:17] <Ben64> hmm
[2:17] <ReggieUK> oh whoops, no not firmware :D
[2:18] <Ben64> what were you thinking
[2:18] <aaa801> blarg, got it moving with controller movement rarther then the err
[2:18] <aaa801> sensor bar
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[2:24] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, can't really drive the monochrome LCD fast enough to get greyscale out of POV
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[2:49] <aaa801> Wiimote+xbmc= ftw :3
[2:50] <DaQatz> Raspberries coming ripe, tomorrow I pick! I must beat the birds to them.
[2:51] <aaa801> The hell is dr who on iplayer :/
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[2:56] <Compy> Hey guys, on the standard debian raspi image, any idea why utilizing the sound drivers would drive USB latency through the roof?
[2:56] <Compy> (I'm using pygame.mixer)
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[3:04] <ozymandias> hey, just got my pi -- I dont currently have any place to hook it up to a monitor, is there any easy way to get ssh to start on boot? I currently have the debian image installed
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[3:06] <SIFTU> ozymandias: lol, well I started it blindly
[3:06] <ozymandias> i considered trying that
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[3:07] <SIFTU> ozymandias: type in the username and password, then /etc/init.d/ssh start
[3:07] <SIFTU> ozymandias: then you can log into ssh and set it to start on boot
[3:07] <ozymandias> doesnt it do a gui?
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[3:08] <SIFTU> ozymandias: not by default
[3:08] <ozymandias> ah, ok
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[3:08] <SIFTU> you would have to set gdm or xdm or whatever to start
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[3:15] <ozymandias> hmm
[3:15] <ozymandias> must have something wrong with my image
[3:15] <SIFTU> ozymandias: can you ping it
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[3:16] <ozymandias> i can nmap it ;-)
[3:17] <SIFTU> then you should be able to blind login
[3:17] <ozymandias> hmm
[3:17] <ozymandias> capslock light is not working
[3:17] <SIFTU> lol
[3:18] <ozymandias> to get it to work, I had to power cycle the pi
[3:18] <ozymandias> and then I had a working light, but was unable to log in
[3:18] <SIFTU> so you logged in nw?
[3:19] <ozymandias> nope
[3:19] <ozymandias> one second
[3:19] <SIFTU> ozymandias: you could probably mount the sd car and sym link ssh in /etc/rc3.d
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[3:19] <SIFTU> *card
[3:19] <ozymandias> i'll try that next
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[3:26] <ozymandias> what do I link to what?
[3:26] <ozymandias> it's mounted and I can see the FS on linux ;-)
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[3:27] <SIFTU> so you can see /etc
[3:28] <SIFTU> ozymandias: S03ssh -> ../init.d/ssh
[3:29] <ozymandias> k
[3:29] <SIFTU> ln -s ../init.d/ssh ./S03ssh
[3:29] <SIFTU> if you are in the /etc/rc3.d
[3:29] <ozymandias> interesting
[3:29] <ozymandias> no wonder I could not do this blind
[3:30] <ozymandias> /etc/init.d/ssh does not exist
[3:30] <SIFTU> well where have you got it mounted
[3:30] <SIFTU> you dont need to do all this blind
[3:30] <ozymandias> wait a second
[3:30] <ozymandias> my finger memory took over
[3:31] <ozymandias> i did a cd /meda/18c27e44-ad29-4264-9506-c93bb7083f47 ; ls, cd /etc/init.d
[3:31] <ozymandias> stupid leading slash
[3:31] <ozymandias> lo
[3:31] <SIFTU> yeah
[3:32] <SIFTU> I was going to say it's probably not / in front
[3:32] <SIFTU> thats why you use the ../ etc once in the init.d directory
[3:32] <ozymandias> ;-)
[3:33] * Billiard is manually controlling a shift register with RPi's gpio in bash via ssh across a wireless bridge (wrt54g running dd-wrt) and another wifi connection.
[3:33] <ozymandias> yeah, it's rare I type etc with out a /
[3:33] <Billiard> I feel cool
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[3:34] <ozymandias> i'm trying to decide if I want to dig out my legos
[3:34] <Billiard> oh yeah, and even though it is wireless, everything is at my desk XD
[3:35] <ozymandias> oh? try this on for size
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[3:37] <ozymandias> my keyboard/mouse are on PC1, which I am using to drive synergy to PC 2, which is running IRC and an ssh session to PC 3, which has the Pi's SD mounted. When I unmount and put it in the Pi, it will be powered from USB off a 4rth machine -- and everything by the pi and machine 4 is wireless ;-)
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[3:37] <ozymandias> anywho
[3:37] <ozymandias> smm
[3:38] <ozymandias> how long do these take to boot?
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[3:39] <Compy> Why is it that when I try to initialize the mixer on my raspi through pygame it says "there is no soundcard", but I did a modprobe snd-bcm2835 (this is on the ethernet model with the standard debian squeeze image)
[3:40] <Compy> (and the modprobe was done with sudo)
[3:42] <SIFTU> ozymandias: lol
[3:42] <buzzkill> 57.9+.148
[3:44] <buzzkill> er, wrong location.
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[4:11] <Ben64> got my bluetooth adapter recognized in hcitool finally, now how do i connect my keyboard?
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[4:20] <buzzkill> people stealing things @ work... setting up my pi as a video surveillance box. =)
[4:24] <jac-macondo> lol have you gotten a camera to work yet?
[4:29] <hotwings> you can already buy a 4 camera setup for <$100
[4:30] <jac-macondo> and it's integrated with an app for your phone and all, but that isn't the point... the point is that you were abe to do it
[4:31] <jac-macondo> just like some day i'll be able to spell correctly :-P
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[5:34] <uw> hi yall
[5:34] <uw> FINALLY got my device in the mail today, looking to slap a prebuilt os on it for now
[5:35] <uw> anybody have some recommendations for a first go around?
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[5:40] <Ben64> uw: debian
[5:43] <Arch-RPi> wheezy beta
[5:45] <adama> uw: raspbian
[5:45] <adama> http://www.raspbian.org/PiscesImages
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[5:48] <uw> thanks guys im trying arch first well see how it goes
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[5:49] <uw> wow lame just extracted it and its 1.8GB
[5:50] <uw> welp lets try raspbian
[5:50] <uw> hopefully it's under 1GB
[5:50] <uw> cause thats all i can fit on to this sdcard
[5:53] <Arch-RPi> if you are low on space you might want to look into the hexxeh image on that same site
[5:55] <uw> thanks for the heads up
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[6:01] <uw> kinda thanks
[6:02] <uw> still 1.8GB
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[6:10] <Arch-RPi> :(
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[6:16] <adama> uw: the content is much smaller than that
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[6:16] <adama> uw: if you were enterprising you could resize it :)
[6:17] <Arch-RPi> hmmm i wonder if the net install for rasbian would work instead
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[6:20] <mikey_w> Got my raspi today (Tne.uesday). Runs fi
[6:20] <mikey_w> fine
[6:20] <mikey_w> Every distro image I've tried works.
[6:20] <Xark> mikey_w: Right on. :)
[6:21] <Grimmest> cool
[6:21] <Grimmest> I am still waiting for mine to arrive.
[6:21] <Grimmest> mikey_w, have you tried OpenELEC yet?
[6:22] <uw> i hear you Grimmest. I ordered mine a day after release and JUST got it today
[6:22] <piney0> mine came today, can't find SD card reader tho, so useless until i go to the store tomorrow.
[6:22] <Grimmest> I just ordered mine, shipping to US, they say 4 weeks, I am being optimistic.
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[6:23] <Pickley> c: got the robot turning via my PHP lib
[6:23] <mikey_w> No I've tried raspmc and debian. Making a f17 catd now.
[6:23] <Arch-RPi> yeah i ordered mine the day they announced it in may...got it in july
[6:23] <mikey_w> card
[6:24] <Arch-RPi> err june i mean
[6:25] <Grimmest> oh that makes a big difference then.
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[6:27] <Pickley> Arch-RPi: I hate Wifi.
[6:27] <Arch-RPi> Pickley: lol
[6:28] <Pickley> Arch-RPi: like a 50% chance of it working
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[6:33] <Grimmest> I'd like to see 802.22 take off.
[6:34] <uw> lol
[6:34] <uw> whats the date on that again? 2050?
[6:37] <Grimmest> lol
[6:37] <uw> oh actually i retract my comment. so thats where they put the "white space" stuff, in 802.22
[6:37] <Grimmest> wish google had won the space.
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[6:37] <uw> 802.22 used to be something else
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[6:38] <Grimmest> ya. at least the FCC isn't playing around with someone actually using the space that was freed up.
[6:39] <Arch-RPi> uw: look into puppy linux
[6:39] <Arch-RPi> im personally not a fan of it but that might be what you need due to the space
[6:42] <uw> yea I was hoping tinycore to have an arm version by now. been months since i looked at it and sure enough, they are taking "fk everyone but x86 people" route
[6:43] <uw> true Grimmest. I'm glad it's open (even though it's a pretty terrible selection of bands to work with)
[6:44] <uw> I wish i was smart enough build my own linux for this.
[6:44] <Grimmest> from what I have read they are estimating 22Mbps at a 60mi radius.
[6:45] <Grimmest> I've was looking into point to point wireless backhaul and came across 802.22.
[6:45] <uw> sounds optimistic. i wonder how many subscribers at that rate/range.
[6:46] <mikey_w> Ok F17 runs too.
[6:46] <uw> last time i check out those white spaces, the bands were pretty terrible
[6:46] <Grimmest> that is what I am worried about.
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[6:47] <Grimmest> I can see someone bringing their pirate TV station up and killing service in an entire area.
[6:47] <uw> it was only a few and the widths were a couple megs.
[6:47] <uw> yea hopefully
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[6:49] <uw> theres also something for that too with these white spaces, where supposedly one of the commerical owners can turn you off if they need their sidelobes for some reason.
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[6:51] <Grimmest> If I am reading it correctly the standard is suposed to have "cognitive spectrum access" impling that the radio wil re select frequencies based on interference.
[6:52] <Grimmest> will*
[6:52] <uw> sounds about right
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[6:52] <uw> dsss or some sort of freq hopping deal
[6:52] <Ben64> I still can't get my keyboard to pair. anyone have suggestions?
[6:52] <uw> i dont think it is defined yet
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[6:54] <Grimmest> the next bit I just read is a little discerning...
[6:54] <Grimmest> "We propose a joint spectrum bidding and service pricing model for WRAN service providers to maximize their profits."
[6:55] <uw> still, there is (or was) something in the allocation of the white spaces that if a channel operator "senses" that a white space user is interfereing, it can be kicked (aka stomped over by the channel operator)
[6:55] <uw> yea its such a gray area
[6:56] <uw> which is probably why you dont see too many of white space devices popping up
[6:56] <Xark> Anybody know how to force RPi Debian to do a fsck? The normal "touch /forcefsck" doesn't appear to work...
[6:57] <uw> its complicated development for something that is pretty vague and could leave you expensive, newly developed hardware useless.
[6:57] <Grimmest> ya.
[6:57] <uw> but i would like to see it come through
[6:57] <Grimmest> me too.
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[7:00] <Grimmest> ok I am out. time for bed. last note, would be interesting if the Higgs boson particle could be used in a new form of data transmission.
[7:01] <uw> you never know ;)
[7:01] <uw> see ya Grimmest
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[7:04] * Xark is not sure he can afford a home LHC to receive Higgs broadcasts... :)
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[7:24] <uw> so, is my keyboard supposed to spaz out with letters when connected to this thing?
[7:24] <uw> bug or feature?
[7:26] <adama> uw: try a different keyboard
[7:26] <adama> i get it with my ms keyboard, but not with an asus
[7:26] <adama> it may perhaps be poewr related
[7:27] <SIFTU> wow even microsoft keyboard are resource hogs :|
[7:29] <uw> adama, was able to make a user and now im over ssh
[7:30] <uw> thatd be my guess too, the keyboard is brownin' out when a key is pressed
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[7:44] <adama> SIFTU: 1997 anti-microsoft jokes are so 1997
[7:45] <adama> uw: it's probably that it's a wireless reciever rather than just a keyboard
[7:45] <zutto> its not
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[7:45] <zutto> it happens to me randomly with some random microsoft media-keyboard too
[7:46] <zutto> quite rare to see it happen, but it does happen.. (the keyboard is w/wire)
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[7:46] <adama> zutto: in my case, it is :P
[7:46] <SIFTU> adama: 97 rocked
[7:47] <adama> i'm running them through a powered hub now, much nicer
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[7:52] <uw> adama, zutto its a dell keyboard
[7:52] <uw> model SK-8125
[7:52] <zutto> yeah, seems to be quite common issue
[7:52] <uw> might be a rebranded MS one though?
[7:52] <zutto> "issue" it doesnt really happen to that many people
[7:53] <zutto> i dont think its just microsoft keyboards, havent tested any other keyboards
[7:53] <uw> whoa! just noticed this keyboard has a hub on the back. bet that sure doesnt help things
[7:53] <zutto> long as you have nothing connected to them, it shouldnt affect it
[7:54] <uw> agreed, i just unplugged the keyboard
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[7:55] <zutto> whatever the case is, PI is just not receiving keybd_down event, and if you just press the key again, it should stop spamming the key
[7:57] <Mr_Sheesh> keybd_up maybe?
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[7:57] <zutto> errr, yeah
[7:57] <zutto> 9 am, havent slept yet
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[7:59] <Mr_Sheesh> That was me till noon today, 10pm now, I'd been up for 55-60 hours, it wasn't pretty!
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[8:26] <adama> uw: yeah, that'll put it outside the 100ma limit probably :>
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[8:39] <iBooyaa> Ning
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[8:50] <uw> hmm whats the deal with reboot on archlinux?
[8:55] <TeeCee> uw: What do you mean?
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[9:00] <uw> when i issue a reboot, it shuts down then just hangs
[9:00] <uw> might just be doing something stupid
[9:01] <ibloat> is there a known hardware problem with the ethernet on the RPi? the same SDcard works fine on one RPi while on the other the link indicator only flashes once and stays off
[9:02] <ibloat> uw, do you have mre than one usb disk connected and have the system partition on one of them?
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[9:03] <TeeCee> uw: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/30136 <-- Relevant?
[9:03] <uw> only have a 1GB sd card, and either net
[9:03] <uw> LOL ethernet
[9:04] <uw> TeeCee, I'm issueing reboot over ssh. I checked the video output when a reboot is issued and nothign comes up
[9:05] <TeeCee> uw: Is this Arch on ARM? or the regular Arch Linux?
[9:07] <uw> arch on arm. running on raspberry pi
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[9:08] <uw> so watching the screen at shutdown, looks like it does shutdown fine
[9:08] <iBooyaa> webcam probs?
[9:08] <uw> then shuts off
[9:08] <uw> but doesnt come back on
[9:08] <valkaiser> uw: I'm running Arch on my pi right now. No problems with reboot.
[9:13] <uw> valkaiser, just curious what build?
[9:15] <adama> reboot works for me on raspbian
[9:15] <adama> it didn't on raspbmc
[9:17] <TeeCee> Is raspbian the distro linked to on www.raspberrypi.org? Or is that some other Debian-build?
[9:17] <gordonDrogon> What Ho! Good Pi people.
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[9:19] <uw> also, when i unplug the power, i need to wait 20+ seconds otherwise it wont boot
[9:19] <valkaiser> uw: The one off the raspi website.
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[9:20] <valkaiser> uw: Was there more than one?
[9:20] <uw> valkaiser, ok at least it's not a fluke for me
[9:20] <uw> more than one?
[9:21] <uw> oh! you mean release. that's a good question.
[9:21] <uw> im honestly JUST getting into this (just plugged this in an hour or 2 ago)
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[9:22] <valkaiser> uw: Have you used arch before?
[9:22] <uw> i thought there were releases before june 13, but really, i dont know
[9:23] <uw> no, i just extracted the gz about 2 hrs ago
[9:24] <valkaiser> uw: Ah, I've used it on my main system for a year or two
[9:26] <valkaiser> uw: Arch doesn't really have releases. You update with pacman to the latest packages when they come out.
[9:26] <uw> seems like a decent garden variety linux. looks like it has made for the embedded crowd, but maybe thats just this release. have you seen problems with it before?
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[9:27] <uw> valkaiser, ohhh haha yea... that is something im new to for sure
[9:27] <uw> i was wondering what that pacman was
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[9:29] <uw> hmmm, maybe i should read about arch before wasting everybody's time here on IRC LOL
[9:29] <valkaiser> uw: Oh, many problems... Not the fault of Arch. I run it on old hardware that upstream doesn't always support well. This causes problems since arch uses the newest stuff
[9:30] <uw> i see...
[9:30] <uw> wow after looking into it this arch linux operates veryy differently to what i'm used to LOL
[9:31] <uw> as far as the whole updating / package getting goes
[9:31] <valkaiser> uw: Yeah, read the beginners guide on arch's website. Most of the steps don't apply to you because of the SD install method, but it will give you an idea of what arch is all about.
[9:33] <valkaiser> uw: Debian will probably cause less headaches, but arch forces you to learn more. I consider that a big plus for my purposes.
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[9:37] <Adya> Hi guys:)
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[9:38] <TeeCee> Hi Adya
[9:38] <Adya> Is there anybody from UK or USA?
[9:38] <uw> word up USA
[9:38] <TeeCee> word down UK?
[9:39] <valkaiser> USA here.
[9:39] <TeeCee> Norway here
[9:39] <uw> sup UK mother country HOLLABACK
[9:39] <uw> oh so youre not from the UK?
[9:40] <TeeCee> Nop
[9:40] <uw> SKAL then ;)
[9:40] <uw> that A is suppposed to look different, isn't it
[9:40] <TeeCee> Sk??l!
[9:40] <TeeCee> :p
[9:41] <uw> haHA there it is!
[9:42] <Adya> Sorry for offtopic, but I wanna buy google nexus7. It costs $199 in USA, UK, canada and australia on google play. But asus&google want to deliver to it to ukraine and sell it for $350. Can anybody help me to buy it and send it to me;)?
[9:43] <uw> sure ill do it for 10%
[9:43] <uw> do you use bitcoin?
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[9:44] <glen2> Good morning. I printed a case for my RPi on a 3D printer that run by the RPi.
[9:45] <mjr> Piception!
[9:45] <glen2> Adya: There are services in America that will redirect parcels.
[9:46] <glen2> http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/5f/42/c9/71/0b/P1010941_display_medium.jpg
[9:46] <Adya> Glen2, nice one:)
[9:47] <uw> looks neat how is it held together?
[9:48] <Adya> Stupid thing is that they accept only credit cards of usa, uk, australia and canada:(
[9:48] <uw> Adya, I can help you if you get in jam
[9:49] <Adya> Uw, I wrote to you by /msg
[9:49] <glen2> uw: It just clips together.
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[9:57] <booyaa> glen2: is it a bit like the adafruit design?
[9:59] * adama cut some holes in a tupperware container
[9:59] <adama> and used a cable tie to stick it to the bottom
[10:00] <adama> http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/406300_10151076788455792_160737997_n.jpg
[10:00] <adama> :D
[10:01] <Ben64> http://2.ben64.com/rpi/case/4.jpg
[10:01] <Ben64> i used lego
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[10:04] * booyaa bought his :D
[10:04] <Dyskette> I love the hinged door.
[10:04] <booyaa> but more power to you diyers
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[10:04] <Ben64> http://2.ben64.com/rpi/case/2.jpg
[10:04] <Ben64> http://2.ben64.com/rpi/case/1.jpg
[10:05] <Dyskette> Actually, let me rephrase that to be less specific: I love all the access points on that.
[10:05] <Ben64> :)
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[10:05] <Xark> Nice. Here is the Adafruit case I purchased -> http://imgur.com/a/WmOWn
[10:05] <Ben64> didn't know if you explored the directory or not
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[10:06] <Xark> The little windows are fun. :)
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[10:07] <booyaa> oh glen2 i like the flushness of the usb devices to your case
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[10:08] <booyaa> xark you bought the pi cobbler in kit form right or made from the spec?
[10:09] <Xark> booyaa: See the top pic, it is a DIY (but I did buy the cable before they announced the cobbler).
[10:09] <Xark> booyaa: I just bent some long headers with needlenose and it sits great in a breadboard,.
[10:09] <booyaa> ah have you a blog post with detailing how to make your own?
[10:09] <booyaa> i'm still a noob at electronics looks like something i'd like to rig up fopr my rpi esp the logic convertor
[10:10] <booyaa> Ben64: i love the hatches dude!
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[10:10] <Xark> booyaa: No...but there is no real secret. Just bend the pins to 45 degrees then bend them down "one .1 over".
[10:10] <Ben64> thanks
[10:10] <booyaa> we totally need a PimpMyPi.com
[10:10] <Xark> booyaa: However, I stole the idea from another blog...one sec. :)
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[10:10] <Ben64> I really want to re-do the case with a better color scheme
[10:11] <Ben64> just had these legos lying around for the past ~15 years
[10:11] <booyaa> Ben64: why not treat your self by buy a pack of the colours you want?
[10:11] <Xark> booyaa: I do think this method is much easier than the method highlighted on the Adafruit blog (with a circuit board and connector required).
[10:11] * MrZYX|off is now known as MrZYX
[10:11] <Ben64> booyaa: yeah there are sites that sell by the part
[10:11] <Ben64> I just need to come up with a list of pieces I need
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[10:13] <booyaa> i think i may go lego so i can build a tower case for my pi and arduino
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: Yay for lego!
[10:15] <booyaa> it'd be the two towers
[10:16] <booyaa> isengard and barad-d^ur
[10:16] <Cracknel> I keep my RPi board naked on the desk
[10:17] <booyaa> :D
[10:17] <Cracknel> and the cat far from it :)
[10:17] <TeeCee> Cracknel: At least the RPi does not have any moving parts.. :p except from the RPi itself!
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[10:21] <reider59> *** mutters, moans.....Police have been next door (up to 3 police cars) all night, tramping up and down stairs, taking stuff out, talking outside/opposite my front room window. I sleep, or try to sleep downstairs, went out and glared at them at 3am......
[10:22] <reider59> I guess it isn`t likely mistaken identity then lol
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[10:23] <wiiguy> finally got my Rpi :D
[10:23] <booyaa> \o/
[10:23] <TeeCee> wiiguy: \o/
[10:23] <wiiguy> yesterday it was sent, just received it :D
[10:23] <wiiguy> but i have no charger :P
[10:23] <reider59> nice one, well done. welcome to the ROC......RasPi Owners Club
[10:23] <wiiguy> :P
[10:23] <wiiguy> ty
[10:24] <wiiguy> tomorrow shopping for a charger and usb hub :)
[10:24] <booyaa|pi> right refill time
[10:24] <reider59> No sutable phone ones? Make sure they`re on the reccomended list if you can and keyboard/mouse are low powered ones
[10:25] <wiiguy> they are 5v
[10:25] <reider59> I use a ZTE android phone charger
[10:25] <wiiguy> but they are only 400mah
[10:25] <adama> 400mah is unsuitable
[10:25] <wiiguy> i know
[10:25] <adama> you'll kill the charger
[10:25] <reider59> that might be too much, the USB ports allow about 100 only
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[10:26] <reider59> unless you short the poly fuses, I wouldn`t
[10:26] <wiiguy> need 1 thats ia bout 700-1200mah
[10:26] <Cracknel> just mA
[10:26] <wiiguy> ah :p
[10:26] <adama> i wish i had an amp meter :>
[10:26] <Cracknel> without the hour
[10:26] <adama> the hour is "for an hour", as in storage
[10:26] <wiiguy> meh liek i said tomorrow shopping time ":)
[10:27] <adama> 4000mAh means "4 amps for an hour, then DEAD"
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[10:27] <dwatkins> My RPi takes 3 Watts.
[10:27] <wiiguy> ah
[10:27] <adama> dwatkins: so 0.6A
[10:28] <dwatkins> adama: I imagine so, I have a watt-meter plugged in before it - it's probably not very accurate at such a low power
[10:28] <adama> dwatkins: oh, no, it won't be
[10:28] <reider59> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Powered_USB_Hubs is the Recommended Products list
[10:29] <adama> i have a USB hub + sata > usb that also has a "power only" port
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[10:29] <adama> works great to power the RPi, give it a harddisk and power the keyboard/mouse
[10:30] <wiiguy> so if i power a rpi trough a normal charger, it does not matter wich usb hub i use ?
[10:30] <adama> http://www.geekalerts.com/sata-hdd-dock-with-4-port-usb-hub/
[10:30] <adama> one of those
[10:30] <adama> sure it does
[10:30] <adama> because some usb hubs will still leach power from the rpi
[10:31] <adama> and cause epic irritating failure
[10:31] <wiiguy> yikes
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[10:31] <wiiguy> guessing those usb on that page are expensive ?
[10:31] <adama> no idea
[10:31] <adama> mine was like 20 quid
[10:32] <booyaa|pi> adama: nice find, may order myself one
[10:32] <Xark> booyaa: OK, can't find the original site (darn internet is littered with sites), but here is an even better one showing the technique I used (except this is for 2x6 pins, RPi is 2x13 - just a bit longer).
[10:32] <wiiguy> current hub i currently have is a "ednet" but it is already half dead
[10:32] <Xark> booyaa: -> http://avrisblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/programming-attiny85-on-breadboard.html
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> Hm. never thought to plug in my power meter to my Pi...
[10:33] <reider59> I got a Pic Frame that`s networked on the USB to Linux and from the RasPi. Using it as a monitor eventually. The PSU that came with it is 5v 1A but not micro, however I have some plug in micro adaptors from the pound shop. that should work as an emergency spare. Not bad for ?12.99, the price went up to ?19.99 when they realised there was a resurgence of interest and now some places have it at ?29.99 :-)
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> then again, I've not seen it for a while. wonder where it is..
[10:33] <wiiguy> http://www.mt.nl/vergelijken/technisch/hubs/fab-ednet/8479-ednet-usb-hub-2.0-4-port/ > this is the oen i have
[10:33] <adama> booyaa|pi: i bought it years ago, normally use it to shorten keyboard/mouse/trackball cables and power phone from power-only port :D
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> reider59, so not much sleep then... did you find out what they were doing?
[10:34] <booyaa|pi> gordonDrogon: power meter? not the same as a multi meter right?
[10:34] * Xark has the 7 port Belkin hub. Very nice (with beefy power supply 3.5A IIRC).
[10:34] <booyaa|pi> adama: makes a very nice desktidy
[10:34] * blkaway is now known as blkhawk
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> booyaa|pi, no - it's a device that plugs into the mains and tells me volts/amps/watts/power factor, VA and Hz. it has a socket on the front to plug an appliance into.
[10:34] <reider59> Not yet, but it doesn`t pay to get too involved. I`ll wait while the grapevine reaches me ;-) Won`t take long
[10:35] <booyaa|pi> gordonDrogon: ah yes know about them
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[10:35] <gordonDrogon> booyaa|pi, like this: http://www.maplin.co.uk/plug-in-mains-power-and-energy-monitor-38343?c=maplin&utm_source=gcs&utm_medium=gcs_search&utm_campaign=L61AQ&utm_content=Power+and+Energy+Monitors
[10:36] <reider59> I nearly blew my stack with them at one point. Luckilly the dog needed out and I heard their voices through the rear bathroom window. so I let it be known to the dog we`d "try and get some sleep with all the noise going on next door!"
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[10:37] <wiiguy> think i can charge my rpi trough > http://www.mt.nl/vergelijken/technisch/hubs/fab-ednet/8479-ednet-usb-hub-2.0-4-port/11fc8-ednet-usb-hub-2.0-4-port-91912.html ?
[10:37] <booyaa|pi> reider59: heh
[10:37] <reider59> It`s at times like this, I walk with a stick and have breathing problems, that I`m glad the net is here. Always someone to talk to and alleviate any worries.
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[10:38] <wiiguy> the usb hub is Output current: 0,5 A and 5V
[10:38] <Gadgetoid> reider59: I think most of us are glad the net is here for similar reasons!
[10:39] <wiiguy> ?
[10:39] <Xark> wiiguy: You would need two ports for the RPi (~700mA).
[10:39] <wiiguy> it was said that 200mA was sued by keyboard and mouse though
[10:40] <wiiguy> i could put that aswell in the usb hub
[10:40] <wiiguy> used*
[10:40] <wiiguy> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=10836
[10:40] <wiiguy> like it was said here
[10:41] <reider59> Thanks Gordon, glad it`s not just me who feels that way. I locked myself away for 3 years when they botched my spine op. Only lately do I get out so the net has been my window on the world in all that time. The dog never seems to reply these days either. ;-)
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[10:41] <Xark> wiiguy: Well, I tried powering my RPi from my hub and it wasn't reliable without a two pronged USB cable (so it could draw from two ports for 500+500mA). I only had the hub and ethernet in the pi.
[10:41] <Xark> (and HDMI...)
[10:41] <Xark> wiiguy: I don't recommend it.
[10:41] <wiiguy> that is all i currently need to test it out to see it working :)
[10:42] <wiiguy> put if it can break my rpi i wont try it
[10:42] <wiiguy> but
[10:42] <Xark> wiiguy: It may appear to work, but play quake for a bit or something intensive.,
[10:42] <reider59> Hoping my IDC connectors and cables come today, nice to get a parcel
[10:42] <wiiguy> all i need to know, is it starts :P
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> your unlikely to break a Pi with a low-spec PSU. as long as it doesn't go over 5V it'll be fine.
[10:42] <wiiguy> well the sitre it says it is 5V :p
[10:43] <Xark> wiiguy: Yeah, go for it. It may be unreliable, in which case get a USB cable with two prongs (like commonly comes with USB HDD).
[10:43] <wiiguy> ty brb gona tets this
[10:43] <wiiguy> well irc will fall out :(
[10:43] <Gadgetoid> Satan is the evilist man, but 'im can chucks it!
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[10:45] <wiiguy> damn forgot to prep a sd card :p
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> I've accidentally left a Pi reverse-powered via the USB socket from a hub before - all it does it start to boot, then it draw too much curent, the polyfuse trips and it resets. I once left it overnight without realising it )-:
[10:46] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yow. Good to know the polyfuse works I guess.... :)
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> My hub is good in that it's obviously cheap enough to not have proper power negotiation - which is normally bad, but it's good for the Pi... It powered my Pi OK.
[10:46] <reider59> That Pic Frame reverse powers, even though it has a supply, so I take the USB lead out when not networking it to th ePi
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> it's powered 2 Pis before.
[10:46] <Draylor> :)
[10:46] <Draylor> when badly made cheap tech is good
[10:46] <reider59> PSU turned off and it still flashes on and off like it`s connected to power
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[10:46] <gordonDrogon> the down-side of my hub (LOGIC) is that the sockets are shoddy - really easy to cables to fall-out, so the one I'm using to power the Pi does occasionally fall out, but the Pi keeps on running most of the time because it's then powered via the USB socket the hub is plugged into...
[10:46] <Xark> Draylor: Yeah, also often for Linux compatibility the cheap generic stuff is best too (avoid "name brand" needlessly proprietary stuff). :)
[10:46] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Brings back bad memories of kicking power cords with my dangling feet. :)
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[10:47] <reider59> This ZTE charger seems to work OK for me, I was lucky. I charge the phone on USB so that`s no loss. But I have a WiFi connector in the Pi USB port, a non powered ?1 USB Hub in the 2nd port and a couple of BT adaptors in the hub. All works well and no problems.
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[10:48] <gordonDrogon> Xark, er, yes, and that particular Pi is currently on the floor too... Hm.
[10:48] <reider59> Even my Rii mini keyboard/touchpad works well lately
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> I think I've "lost" a GPIO pin.
[10:48] <wiiguy> :|
[10:49] <reider59> burnt out or snapped?
[10:49] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Failing your 17 LED test?
[10:49] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Oh dear!
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> burnt out.
[10:49] <reider59> oh no
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[10:49] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: How'd you manage that/
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I'm really not sure. it's on the Pi I'm using to drive 2 LCDs.
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[10:50] <gordonDrogon> think I'll connect a LED up to it to check.
[10:50] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: interesting??? those LCDs shouldn't do any harm
[10:50] <reider59> glad I stopped using mine then. did you ground pin 5? So it doesn`t read from the LCD? Or did you use a levelshifter?
[10:51] <reider59> It`s the 5v to 3.3 that usually causes the bother
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[10:51] <gordonDrogon> I've a funny feeling it was before the LCD - I knew someting wasnt right with it a few days ago, but I though I'de just wired it up wrong.
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[10:52] <reider59> that`s right, you mentioned one was acting up, is it the one that was overclocked by any chance?
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[10:54] <gordonDrogon> Hm. maybe I was wrong. seems to work fine with an LED. Wonder why it asn't happy drving the LCD then.
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[10:55] <gordonDrogon> no - it's not the Pi that was acting up - that's another, which is now stable at 800MHz rather than 900MHz.
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> ah well. one of those things. Maybe I was too tired last night.
[10:55] * MrZYX|off is now known as MrZYX
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> the 2 LCD displays are still running though - I left the program on all night :)
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[10:56] <gordonDrogon> So in theory I can control up to 8 of these LCD displays off one Pi - but that would use up all the GPIO pins!
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> and if I ever got 4-bit mode working, then 4 more...
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> however I suspect that might be somewhat overkill :)
[10:57] * adama wants to build a giant led cube
[10:57] <adama> but i am far too fail for that
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> and realistically, who wants 2 let alone one LCD display when you can have a nice colour composite / hdmi video output!
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> adama, they're not hard to make - the software to drive them is the clever part.
[10:57] <reider59> I`m tempted to punt ?15 on a composite mini monitor
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> a pi can drive a 4x4x4 cube without much hardware.
[10:58] <adama> gordonDrogon: no, the bending of the led legs is the clever part
[10:58] <adama> gordonDrogon: software is just copy/paste from intertubes :>
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> adama, heh. you buy a kit with PBCs...
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> reider59, oh? Where?
[10:58] <adama> gordonDrogon: how do you use PCBs on a cube? :>
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> adama, I'll lookup the kit - hang on.
[10:59] <adama> 4x4 is way too small
[10:59] <reider59> see if I can find the link again, wanted to get the electric bill out of the way so I hid the link for now
[10:59] <adama> http://www.instructables.com/id/Led-Cube-8x8x8/
[10:59] <adama> something like that
[10:59] <adama> but a bit bigger
[11:00] <adama> gordonDrogon: my pi has been compiling for 8 hours at 1.1ghz :)
[11:00] <reider59> look up composite rear view monitors. Some are exported from China, but keep looking through until you hit a few that are sent out from the UK. Already imported so no duty.
[11:01] <booyaa> i know you can drive lots of leds without a chip, charlieplexing
[11:01] <booyaa> gets a bit complicated, wouldn't want to wire a bunch up and find out i got it wrong
[11:01] <reider59> the car monitors, some have been tested and work OK. I`ll try to find the link.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> adama, I think this is it: http://www.robotshop.com/eu/seeedstudio-rainbow-rgb-led-cube-kit.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=GoogleUK
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[11:03] <adama> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyuLhEUImng
[11:03] <adama> somthing like that would be ace
[11:03] <wiiguy> ok it works :)
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> reider59, yea, I keep meaning to buy myself one of these: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/essentials-c16ldib11-refurbished-16-hd-ready-lcd-tv-11081823-pdt.html
[11:03] <adama> gordonDrogon: yuck :>
[11:03] <wiiguy> it boots i mean :)
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> adama, yuck?
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[11:05] <gordonDrogon> anyway, backinnabit. S&S time again...
[11:05] <reider59> Here`s one link, then if all are US or Hong Kong imports then I look for the same or similar already stored in the UK. Something about the imports, as well as the duty, puts me off. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4117&start=20
[11:07] <reider59> Good price that and most of the refurbs have been taken out of the box only or slight faults that have been rectified.
[11:09] <frankivo> "Your Raspberry Pi has now been shipped from our warehouse. "
[11:09] <frankivo> \o
[11:11] <reider59> ?21 for composite here and a pic + a user saying it works on his Pi, same size case as the Pi too ;-) http://www.element14.com/community/message/55197
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[11:12] <reider59> not long now frankivo, have you got one already? Or is that your first one?
[11:12] * MrZYX|off is now known as MrZYX
[11:13] <frankivo> reider59: second one
[11:13] <frankivo> well, actually, it's going to my dad
[11:13] <frankivo> replacing a P3-500 :)
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[11:14] <reider59> thought so, was sure I`d seen posts from you
[11:14] <frankivo> ;)
[11:14] <frankivo> 2 months + 1 day, after ordering
[11:14] <frankivo> not all that bad
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[11:15] <reider59> I regret giving my second code away in some ways now. May get another later down the line, too much to buy and choose from at the moment
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[11:18] <ThomasJ73> G'd morning, all.
[11:19] <reider59> morning thomas
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[11:22] <normod^> ugh, how long've I been normod^?
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[11:23] <reider59> Is your nic reg`d and password entered?
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[11:32] <Xark> Hmm, interesting new $100 ARM machine from Bunnie's company (Android OS) with included WiFi and programmable FPGA (with open SDK). Can't seem to find all the specs though... http://adafruit.com/products/609
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[11:34] <megatog615> Xark: does it run mame :/
[11:34] <Xark> megatog615: It was just announced today (AFAIK). It seems to be open and the wiku mentions Linux hacking, but for the "consumer" it runs an Android OS I believe by default (overlaying over normal TV image).
[11:35] <Xark> megatog615: That said, pretty sure Android can run a flavor of mame...
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[11:38] <megatog615> Xark: the ouya
[11:39] <megatog615> Xark: i dont understand why they call it the first true open gaming platform
[11:39] <Gadget-Work> Xark, I assume NeTV isn't the new product ?
[11:40] <megatog615> kinda thought that was the pc, or earlier machines with programming interfaces and a screen
[11:40] <adama> megatog615: i think the point is that it's a specific gaming platform
[11:40] <adama> rather than a computer, or a teapot someone has painted a scrabble board on
[11:41] <megatog615> adama: as long as it has a usb port and a way to program it it is not a gaming-only platform
[11:42] <adama> megatog615: you're being a assclown
[11:42] <adama> argument for argument sake
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[11:42] <adama> it's a gaming platform because they built it to game, with a fancy case and no keyboard
[11:43] <adama> megatog615: they didn't say "gaming only", you said that to try to be right, and it only makes you look silly
[11:43] <adama> the real reason it's not the first gaming platform is because there have been other "open" gaming platforms before, like pandora and gp2x
[11:46] <Xark> Gadget-Work: Why do you say that? It apparently runs angstrom Linux (not Android - you can interact with it using an android app).
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[11:47] <Xark> Not talking about ouya (but NeTV)...
[11:47] <Gadget-Work> NeTV isn't new ;0
[11:47] <Xark> Gadget-Work: Ahh, I hadn't heard of it before.
[11:48] <Gadget-Work> Had one since Oct last year :) Very neat though
[11:48] <Xark> Gadget-Work: Do you know the specs of the CPU?
[11:49] <Gadget-Work> 800 MHz Marvell CPU
[11:49] <adama> Marvell PXA168
[11:49] <adama> armv5
[11:49] <adama> with PXA-name
[11:49] <Gadget-Work> see: http://www.kosagi.com/blog/
[11:49] <adama> eugh :>
[11:49] <adama> http://www.marvell.com/application-processors/armada-100/assets/pxa_168_pb.pdf
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> reider59, just looking at those 3.5" monitors. Intersting...
[11:50] <adama> there are quite a few on ebay
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> yea, not my favourite place to buy stuff, however...
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[11:55] <gordonDrogon> coffee...
[11:56] <Xark> There is also this monitor -> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/et-350-3-5-tft-lcd-digital-monitor-for-vehicles-reverse-camera-ntsc-pal-12v-dc-39044?item=252
[11:57] <reider59> sorry, was upstairs lol
[11:57] <reider59> coffee sounds good
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[11:58] <booyaa|pi> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/et-350-3-5-tft-lcd-digital-monitor-for-vehicles-reverse-camera-ntsc-pal-12v-dc-39044?item=252
[11:59] <booyaa|pi> has anyone rigged up a nokia display to an rpi? just wondering where to start with that. is it similar to how you cnonect them on an arduino?
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> In broad terms - yes.
[12:00] <Xark> booyaa: GPIO is GPIO (other than the 3v3 vs 5v issues). :)
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> The GPIO functions similarly to an arduino.
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> Other than that
[12:00] <ThomasJ73> I've got a 7" LCD monitor (for a portable DVD player) connected to my Pi right now but the quality is so rough, I can't read any text..
[12:00] <Xark> booyaa|pi: I have an 84x84 display, but it seems a waste on RPi with HDMI. :)
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> And I wonder if any but the earliest phones have 5V displays
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> Xark: Depends.
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> Xark: Sometimes even a 3.5" composite display is overkill.
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> Xark: If you only need to for example replace a single guage.
[12:01] <booyaa|pi> Xark: just need some visual feedback that doesn't involve ssh into the box
[12:01] <Xark> SpeedEvil: Sure. I am just saying for me, I have HDMI hooked up so 84x84 mono display doesn't add much. :) I guess I could show uptime...
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> sure
[12:02] <ThomasJ73> booyaa|pi: I fully agree with that! I SSH into mine only nut would like some sort of stand alone display for monitoring purposes
[12:02] <ThomasJ73> s/nut/but
[12:02] <Xark> Hmm, I have a tiny OLED display that is 3.3v that would be kind of neat (128x64 IIRC)... I may try that on my breadboard.
[12:03] <ThomasJ73> I am waiting for them to figure out how to connect the iPhone4 screen (make it functional)
[12:04] <ThomasJ73> s/them/someone
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[12:04] <booyaa|pi> ThomasJ73: quick and dirty way is to use vnc
[12:04] <Xark> ThomasJ73: Perhaps "bit banging". To get the RPi GPU to display would likely take some FPGA (or other) magic.
[12:05] * booyaa|pi has used pocket cloud has a nice ui
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> ThomasJ73: It's going to be messy - unless DSI works.
[12:05] <ThomasJ73> booyaa|pi: I use PuTTY on my work machines to get in and ConnectBot to connect from my Android
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> ThomasJ73: And is brought out with a proper interface, unlike CSI, which at least at one point they were making noises about only supporting one camera
[12:05] <booyaa|pi> brb forgot to run script
[12:05] <booyaa|pi> screen
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[12:06] <reider59> I`m pretty lucky at the moment. Because I have 7 -8 puters theirs always an option. At the moment I run Putty on my main PC which has 2 monitors conected to it, I then added Xming and us that via Putty to prompt the Pi to open up a VNC client, all I do is type in startlxd in the putty command window. Xming then starts the VNC client on demand on the Pi, instead of starting it manually via Putty then opening VNC
[12:06] <reider59> . I then get the desktop and kill Putty to kill the VNC connection. So I`m not too pushed to get a monitor yet
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[12:06] <reider59> That`s good, the server just split my waffling and long message into two for me automatically
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[12:08] <reider59> With that typing in of "startlxde" I get a full size screen depicting the Pi Desktop
[12:08] <ThomasJ73> I don't run X so vnc isn't really required. I can do everything via SSH + screen
[12:09] <reider59> I like both as an option and use them both too
[12:09] <booyaa|pi> Gadgetoid: re: watchdog don't suppose you know what this package might be called on arch?
[12:09] <reider59> horses for courses
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[12:10] <booyaa|pi> i would love to run some form of vnc using fb/console instead. i suspect the fb related stuff for vnc is as a client
[12:10] <Gadgetoid> booyaa|pi: I can't imagine it having a different name??? but I'm unfamiliar with arch
[12:12] <MrZYX> booyaa|pi: there's extra/watchdog on my laptop arch, doesn't have the pi booted atm
[12:13] <booyaa|pi> ah that'll do cheers mrzyx
[12:13] * booyaa|pi still trying to work his way around pacman
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[12:15] <ThomasJ73> booyaa|pi: That's the one downside, I've found so far, of SSH (PuTTY), it doesn't seem to support framebuffering.. unless I have something messed up
[12:16] <booyaa|pi> mmm looks like modules are configured different in arch
[12:16] <booyaa|pi> oh well bye for now about to crash stuff :D
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[12:17] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: re: fork bomb did that need to be run as root?
[12:18] <MrZYX> usually they don't
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[12:18] <booyaa> ah okay looks like it hasn't worked :(
[12:18] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: it's a fairly crazy way of testing things, and you might want to disable virtual memory first 'cos it could take a while!
[12:19] <booyaa> ah okay
[12:19] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: Let me know if you get it working, would be interested to know how the instructions differ for Arch
[12:20] <nwp> I've read a lot about people having trouble with power for their pi, mainly connected to USB use. Been measuring mine, and it seems SD card is more the culprit - psu gives 5.15V with no pi connected, 5.06 with pi, kbd, mouse, hdmi connected, and 4.69-4.74 with pi and sd only\
[12:20] * gordonDrogon returns with Tea, not coffee and singin' hinnies ...
[12:20] <nwp> anyone know whether particular sd cards are likely to suck (much) more juice than others, or is my power supply just not good enough under load?
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[12:21] <SpeedEvil> nwp: Is it a 'fast' one?
[12:21] <nwp> no idea how direct supply is from psu to SD card socket either - any thoughts?
[12:21] <SpeedEvil> Is this idle?
[12:21] <nwp> SpeedEvil, no, Lexar Class 4
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[12:21] <SpeedEvil> it's through a regulator
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> nwp, sounds like your PSU isn't particularly well regulated.
[12:21] <nwp> gordonDrogon, does rather, doesn't it
[12:21] <nwp> similar results with several
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[12:22] <nwp> so I thought I'd just check that this wasn't SNAFU
[12:22] <nwp> or if it is, any suggested ways out
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> nwp, from the goings on here over the past month or so, it seems that PSU issues is one of the biggest causes of problems so-far..
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> nwp, however it could simply be that the card itself is worse than others - what make/type, etc?
[12:23] <nwp> saw someone(s) recommending psu from adafruit which is at least cheap, but not particularly convenient (US style plug, order from US etc)
[12:23] <nwp> Lexar class4 and Panasonic class 4 both same result
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> nwp, try powering it directly from a PC if you can...
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> A PC's 5V PSU ought to be good enough...
[12:24] <nwp> hmmm... good idea
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> assuming the on-board USB isn't regulated - I've powered Pi's from both my desktop and acer aspire one netbook!
[12:24] <deebo> doesnt everyone have a dozen cellphon chargers etc to use
[12:24] <nwp> deebo - yes, but most are rubbish\
[12:24] <Vostok> those only give you 500mA
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> I'm using a Jawbone charger which is rated to 700mA with good results.
[12:25] <reider59> My ZTE android Phone charger works
[12:25] <deebo> had no problems with a my samsung chargers running two different rpis
[12:25] <MrZYX> the HTC chargers work good too
[12:26] <reider59> it`s alleged the pound shop ones work but they`ve been temporarilly taken off the shelves (my guess is CE mark). Manageress says they are coming back. Marked as iPhone Chargers.
[12:27] <Xark> Motorola droid and Kindle Fire chargers seem good (850mA and 1800mA respectivly).
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> more likely taken off after Apple whinging..
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[12:28] <booyaa> heh it didna work
[12:28] <booyaa> oh well might actually get some work done at work
[12:28] * booyaa will re-read the howto
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[12:29] <reider59> When I open my Pi LXDE Desktop as SU I get an empty desktop. all th efiles I created as a normal (?) user are I guess on the other desktop. Can I transfer them to here?
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[12:30] <reider59> Geany won`t let me paste from my PC Desktop for some reason, sure I`ve done it before
[12:30] <jglauche_> hi guys. I need to do the following thing: a) detect if new /dev/tty[USB/ACM] device connects ( easy). b) find out the Serial number of the microcontroller that is attached. for b) I would use ' udevadm info -a --name=/dev/ttyACM0' but it produces a Kernel OOPS every time it's called
[12:30] <MrZYX> reider59: short story, don't work as root, long story your home directory is surly different, line /root now and /home/pi or so normal
[12:31] <ThomasJ73> reider59: Drop to console, cd into users Desktop path, cp * to root Desktop path?
[12:31] <reider59> At the moment, what I`m doing needs root
[12:31] <jglauche_> lsusb throws up the serial too, but I have to find out the usb device path somehow
[12:32] <reider59> Thanks all, File Manage let me do it with no argument thankfully
[12:32] <reider59> *Manager
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[12:33] <MrZYX> may I still question to run the desktop as root?
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[12:33] <reider59> Sorry, it`s an LCD Module and wants root
[12:34] <MrZYX> can't you just chmod/chown some device?
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[12:34] <reider59> I just want to test it without going all around the houses
[12:34] <neofutur> jglauche_: you could grep the kernel message in /var/log/kern.log
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> reider59, shouldn't need root to run X ...
[12:35] <Gadgetoid> reider59: how goes the LCD module tinkering?
[12:35] <jglauche_> neofutur, kern.log doesn't show me usb path or serial of the device.
[12:36] <neofutur> not the serial, but you should be able to build the path with the name
[12:36] <reider59> Not good. On the Arduino it`s perfect. All four lines work as expected. On the Pi I get two lines showng squares, 1st and 3rd but no program makes anything work on it.
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> Timing
[12:36] <jglauche_> Jan 1 01:00:16 raspberrypi kernel: cdc_acm 1-1.3:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> The Pi is _way_ faster
[12:37] <jglauche_> for that I can ls /dev/ttyACM*
[12:37] <reider59> postie, best go see what I have
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> reider59, what's the interface?
[12:38] <Gadgetoid> The Arduino seems to do a stellar job in all respects where the Pi struggles to keep up, it's the one-true-IO-buffer
[12:38] <reider59> woo hoo! tandy package
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[12:39] <blkhawk> I think i will make an arduino shield for the raspberry ;)
[12:39] <reider59> two 26 pin wires and IDC crimp connectors. Looks like they came through with it even though Tandy looks like a back street outfit now
[12:40] <Gadgetoid> reider59: Oo, a Pi breakout cable in the making!
[12:41] <reider59> It`s serial, using either a breakout or split one end and keep the other as spare. If it`s a breakout I need the female end and a few more bits yet
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[12:41] <reider59> oops, mixed message there
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it certianly is - much more suited for the real-time control stuff that some are trying to do in the Pi too.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, saying that, I'm about to do some pseudo RT stuff today ... :)
[12:41] <wiiguy> ??verything is working :D
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> reider59, serial LCD? I2C/SPI or rs232?
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[12:43] <reider59> serial using GPIO 18,21,22,23 for DB4-DB7, VSS GND, VDD 5V, VO mid pot, RS GPIO4, RW to GND to make sure it doesn`t read from the device and drops it to 3.3V, E GPIO 24. LED+ to 5V and LED- to GND
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[12:44] <reider59> Oh 5v and GND to Pi, and GND + 5V to Pot
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> reider59, serial? Sounds liek 4-bit parallel ..
[12:45] <reider59> oops yes
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> and you forgot the E pin :)
[12:45] <reider59> "E GPIO 24"
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> well - if it's any consolation - that's the same way I'm using to connect my LCDs - and I can't yet get 4-bit to work either, so I did it in 8-bit mode.
[12:46] <ThomasJ73> wow, too much for me.. lol.. Going to get myself a breadboard and a kit to try this stuff out! Can't wait!
[12:46] <nwp> gordonDrogon: interesting. 4.5V from a plugged-in but sleeping macbook, 4.6V from a powered-on plugged-in macbook, 4.7V from this Dell (Inspiron Zino HD), 4.85-4.9V from a Targus USB hub's "high power" port
[12:46] <CruX|> what drivers are required for qt embedded for mouse ?
[12:46] <CruX|> i have qt embedded running on raspberry pi and mouse is not moving
[12:47] <reider59> What I read states don`t use DB0-DB3 as not used during 4 bit operation. So theorettically DB4-DB7 should work, wonder why not.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> reider59, I've no idea and not had time to check yet - just add another 4 wires..
[12:48] <reider59> "Four low order bi-directional three-state data bus lines. Used for data transfer between the MPU and the LCM. These are not used during the 4-bit operation."
[12:49] <nwp> would be nice if I could find a decent short USB cable rather than this 1.8m skinny thing too...
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[12:49] <SpeedEvil> reider59: there is 8 and 4 bit mode. In 4 bit mode, you don't need all pins
[12:49] <reider59> Trouble is if I add 4 more wires (no idea where to, not looked into that) I`m sure you need read mode and can`t ground pin 5 to keep it 3.3v, I`d need a level shifter.
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> reider59, no - this is how I'm doing it right now.
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> You don't need 8 data pins in 4 bit mode
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi2lcd.jpg
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> count the wires..
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> I'm using 8-bit mode.
[12:50] <MrZYX> me too
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> and 5V LCDs..
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> no level shifters...
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> no read operations needed at all.
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> Do you want me code?
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> See also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBf3U--tNL8
[12:53] <reider59> OK, I still need to keep pin 5 (R/W) to ground then wire DB0-DB3 to selected pins on the Pi?
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> yes. ground R/W.
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> then forget it.
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:55] <ThomasJ73> gordonDrogon: That's AWESOME! I really want a kit and start learning how to do that!
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> ThomasJ73, I'll be writing it up later today or tomorow if I have time.
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[12:57] <gordonDrogon> must get a new camera... One of these days!
[12:57] <nwp> Hmmm. Just realised I have a whole box full of Mac LCIII psus hidden away. They do 5V 3.75A, amongst other things. A bit bulky but should allow me to tell the difference between power problems and USB driver problems etc.
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[12:58] <gordonDrogon> nwp, good idea - assuming they have the right connectors, if not, get handy with the soldering iron :)
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[12:59] <nwp> gordonDrogon: like I need an excuse ;-)
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[13:05] <nwp> Also got a box of HP Deskjet PSUs if anyone can think of a use for them (10-0-10 AC out IIRC)
[13:05] <nwp> oh, 2A
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[13:07] <reider59> While looking for something unconnected to the monitor chat I found this that originally got me looking into it more...... http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi/blog/tags/raspberry_pi
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> intersting. I might still go for one of these when I get a round tuit: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/essentials-c16ldib11-refurbished-16-hd-ready-lcd-tv-11081823-pdt.html
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[13:10] <gordonDrogon> it's a big bigger, but has hdmi.
[13:10] * defswork wonders if the 3.5mm jack can drive an unpowered speaker
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> defswork, I suspect not - it's driven directly by the GPIO pin @ 3.3v via a passive RC network to buffer the signal - looks like it's designed to be a standard 1v "line" signal...
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> if they were 80 ohm speakers you might be something out of it...
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> but not 8 or 4 ...
[13:13] <defswork> hmm - I have plans to connect a pi to a keyboard wedge scanner and use it as a clocking in machine
[13:13] <defswork> and need some audio feedback
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> you probably won't damage it by trying though - might get something - very very quiet...
[13:13] <adama> good plan
[13:13] <defswork> we currently have a laptop with a keyboard logger installed, taped up behing the desk in the entrance hall
[13:13] <defswork> slightly bodgey
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[13:14] <gordonDrogon> if youo you need is some sort of feedback, connect up a piezeo sounder disc ...
[13:14] <defswork> the guy that did it had to use a keyboard logger because windows kept stealing the keyboard input from his mickey mouse program
[13:14] <reider59> lol I have an L shaped glass desk. On one desk are 2 monitors and one is widescreen, middle of the L is a triangular shaped connecting desk with the laptop on, the other desk has the robot arm on, sometimes a full size keyboard etc, android phone so I can reprogram the ROM, book reader, wiring kit, multimeter, running out of deskspace. Shelves to my left with torch, remotes, itouch, PSP and loads of other stuff.
[13:14] <reider59> My Df3120 is perched just in front of my keyboard and I use the same one on the lappy with Input Director (software KDM switch). I think that small monitor or continue using VNC via one of my monitors works here. Or get a bigger desk/s
[13:15] <defswork> gordonDrogon, to the 3.5mm jack ? and just play something loud to make it beep ?
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[13:16] <gordonDrogon> defswork, yes.
[13:16] <defswork> I'll try it tonight at home - cheers
[13:17] <defswork> I just wish rpi had poe - would make this project very simple/elegant
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> defswork, yea, but proper PoE kit costs as much as the Pi does )-:
[13:17] * defswork wonders if you can get a simple poe inline adapter with a power lead coming out of it
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> it's also designed to take a regulated 5V input from USB - if only they'd fitted a 2nd power inlet to take 6-12v unregulated then it would have been much more flexible - and cost an extra ?1 or 2 ...
[13:18] <defswork> would be silly volts though I guess so would still need some regulating circuit
[13:18] <reider59> What are the other 4 pins Gordon? I used GPIO 4, 18, 22, 23, 24 already. So I hazard a guess at GPIO 17, 25 and not sure about the other 2
[13:18] <Ben64> why isn't an init script i made running on boot?
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> defswork, you can get passive PoE injectors - I use them elsewhere.
[13:18] <defswork> yeah I have some at home - as big as the pi
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> defswork, proper PoE is 48V, but the passive ones can be any voltage. The down-side is that if you run 5V over any distance you'll ge some voltage drop.
[13:20] <defswork> Ben64 - chmod +x ? linked to /etc/init.d/rc2.d (or rc3.d depending on your run levels)
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> defswork, I use these: http://linitx.com/product/13305
[13:20] <Ben64> defswork: yep and yep
[13:20] <defswork> gordonDrogon, they are quite nice
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> reider59, check this page: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> defswork, you'd need to hack off the barrel plug at one end and put on a micro usb..
[13:21] <Ben64> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 856 Jul 11 11:09 /etc/init.d/keyboard
[13:21] <Ben64> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 18 Jul 11 10:15 /etc/rc2.d/S07btkb -> ../init.d/keyboard
[13:21] <defswork> Ben64 - add some debug
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> reider59, so I'm using wiringPi pins 0-7 for the 8-bit data, and pin 8 for RS and pin 9 for E (wiringPi pins)
[13:21] <Ben64> how, where?
[13:21] <defswork> echo "ITS RUNNING ME" etc..
[13:22] <defswork> init.d output goes to console
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> ben try: cd /etc/init.d ; update-rc.d myscript defaults
[13:22] <Ben64> hmm
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> Ben64, try: cd /etc/init.d ; update-rc.d myscript defaults
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> it needs the right linkage in the /etc/rcX.d directorys to work correctly.
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[13:23] <Pobz> Hi folks
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> oh look - raining again.
[13:25] <Ben64> gordonDrogon: already manually made links, but rebooting now after running your suggestion
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> Ben64, I think there is a newer way to "officially" do it - but old habits, etc.... i've been using the update-rc.d script for some years now!
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> but the net-effect is the same - symbolic links from the /etc/rcX.d directorys back to /etc/init.d
[13:26] <Ben64> ooh, it works
[13:26] <Ben64> it must have changed something else
[13:27] <Ben64> now i have bluetooth keyboard working on boot
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[13:28] <Ben64> now to add the cool [ ok ] to the script :D
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[13:30] <gordonDrogon> Ben64, also have a look at the skeleton program in /etc/init.d to get the right voodoo in it to make sure updates, etc. will work correctly.
[13:31] <Pobz> anyone know if there are any plans to get rpi-config working from the new debian wheezy ported to raspbian? useful tool
[13:31] <ReggieUK> afternoon all :)
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[13:32] <Ben64> Pobz: pretty sure you can just run it
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> another potential project..... http://unicorn.drogon.net/pitrak.jpg
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[13:32] <Gadgetoid> Strange, Pi listed as signed-for, yet strangely absent!
[13:32] <reider59> Thanks, wrote down the connections against my schematic of the LCD. I`ll check them against the program too.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> Pobz, I *think* that you don't need it for wheezy as there is a debian package to do it all, but I'm not 100% sure...
[13:33] <dmsuse> i thought debian wheezy was raspbian?
[13:33] <adama> it's already in there
[13:33] <adama> dmsuse: raspbian is a fork of debian wheezy
[13:33] <Pobz> hmm - tried it lastnight and it's not found - must be running an old image?
[13:33] <adama> well, not so much a fork as another architecture
[13:33] <adama> Pobz: it's in the pisces images
[13:33] <muep> or at least a distribution derived from wheezy
[13:33] <muep> but still very close to wheezy
[13:34] <Pobz> inc the MATE image?
[13:34] <adama> i would expect so
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, raspbian is wheezy, but wheezy isn't raspbian...
[13:34] <dmsuse> k thnx
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[13:35] <muep> I'd not consider either to be either. They are similar but likely both have features which do not exist in the other
[13:35] <dmsuse> is wheezy the bleeding edge?
[13:36] <adama> wheezy is "testing"
[13:36] <Pobz> having a hard time getting the pi to run 1080p on my TV. overscan off it stretches, overscan on I get letterbox. Is this a known issue? Would have thought over HDMI would be pretty straightforward but maybe my TV is trying to be clever
[13:36] <muep> wheezy is the next debian release
[13:36] <muep> not yet finished, but already quite usable
[13:36] <adama> in true debian fashion though, no one runs anything *except* testing
[13:36] <adama> :D
[13:36] <dmsuse> ill update mine later :P
[13:37] <adama> because everything else is about 12 years old
[13:37] <muep> things in squeeze are not even nearly 12 years old
[13:37] <muep> but more like 2-3 years
[13:37] <adama> that is ancient
[13:37] <adama> almost as old as the SoC on the rpi!
[13:37] <adama> :D
[13:38] <muep> it is still useful as it was when it was new
[13:38] <muep> unless you happen to need some feature that only exists in newer releases
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[13:42] <Pobz> anyone here outputting at 1080p with it using all the screen? (not letterbox)
[13:42] <Ben64> <--- this guy
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[13:42] <Pobz> hdmi mode 16 with overscan off?
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[13:43] <Ben64> no settings set for that
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[13:45] <Pobz> think I'll have to specify overscan margins
[13:46] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, is that your bigtrak?
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, yes - I just got an email from someone looking to interface one to a Pi as a university project.
[13:49] <ReggieUK> ok to ask what kind of interfacing?
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> adama, I've been running Debian stable for the past 18 years.... it runs my business, servers, desktop, laptops, etc.
[13:50] <ReggieUK> cos I'd be inclined to put an atmega/pic on it with one of those cheap csr bluetooth to serial boards on it (unless they want to do other things)
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, I think he wants the Pi to control the motors - direction, etc.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, with voice control...
[13:50] <adama> gordonDrogon: wtf
[13:50] <ReggieUK> can all be serialised
[13:50] <adama> gordonDrogon: i thought everyone who ran stable had died in the boer war
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> there are already a few arduinos controlling bigtraks AIUI...
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> adama, I run it becasue it's ... stable!
[13:51] <adama> no
[13:51] <nid0> gah :<
[13:51] <adama> it's not
[13:51] <adama> it's old as fuck
[13:51] * nid0 kicks nagios
[13:51] <adama> don't be so literal
[13:51] <adama> nid0: don't just kick it, kill it with fire :>
[13:51] * adama was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> stable is good.
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[13:51] <adama> oh my, it's like an american channel \o/
[13:52] <adama> nid0: also, icinga + check_mk
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> adama, it's a young person friendly channels.
[13:52] <nid0> I tend to have no particular problems with nagios
[13:52] <adama> gordonDrogon: no, it's a channel run by asshats
[13:52] <adama> kicking without warning is not cool
[13:52] * ReggieUK sets mode +b *!*@observium.org
[13:52] <adama> not cool at all
[13:52] <nid0> but setup a new monitoring system and its utterly refusing to send service notifications :<
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[13:53] <drazyl> bye!
[13:53] <drazyl> :)
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> hey ho.
[13:53] <Pobz> some people can't handle moderation
[13:53] <ReggieUK> and another one bites teh dust
[13:53] <drazyl> you would think he would have thought twice
[13:54] <drazyl> "I've just been kicked, oooh, I know, I'll go back and be abusive, that'll teach em!"
[13:54] <ReggieUK> you'd think he'd have read the topic at least once
[13:54] <reider59> oops with the caps
[13:55] <drazyl> no, the caps might just be appropriate there :)
[13:55] <reider59> normod, no wish to shout ;-)
[13:55] <Draylor> kids have to learn to swear somewhere, think of it as providing a public service
[13:56] <drazyl> maybe there should be a swearing only channel for those between 13 and 17 who don't know any better
[13:56] <frankivo> i'd totally join that
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> speaking of voice control, did you see this? http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/voice-control I was quite impressed with it.
[13:56] <ReggieUK> as for kicking without warning, the kick was the warning
[13:56] <Pobz> yeah, thats what bans are for.
[13:56] <reider59> Think of it like this, it`sd not an official IRC site for RPi but it`s the one we all use. The last thing a charity wants to be associated with is a channel for mixed ages where the adults cuss and swear. Let the kids use it and learn it some place else.
[13:57] <ReggieUK> indeed
[13:57] <drazyl> I think it's clear enough in the topic - don't see an additional warning is needed
[13:58] <ReggieUK> and if anyone would care to take a look at the freenode guidelines, it suggests that exposure to swearing should be the choice of the parent or teacher and not a random net warrior who knows better than everyone else
[13:58] <reider59> well said
[13:58] <ReggieUK> sorry, thinks they know better than everyone else
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[13:58] <normod> what?
[13:59] <wiiguy> why wont debian fill my screen ?
[13:59] <Gadgetoid> Missing Raspberry Pi is missing!
[13:59] <reider59> my no comes out as normod, must be a shortcut
[13:59] <Gadgetoid> wiiguy: You might want to read up on config.txt
[13:59] <reider59> no,
[13:59] <reider59> normod,
[13:59] <wiiguy> where can i find that ?
[13:59] <Gadgetoid> wiiguy: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[14:00] <reider59> ahhhh "no," is OK but "no, " changes it
[14:00] <reider59> turn off the autofill time
[14:00] <Gadgetoid> wiiguy: Paying particular attention to overscan_top/left/bottom/right *or* disable_overscan options
[14:00] <wiiguy> wont that void warrenty ?
[14:01] <reider59> no,
[14:01] <reider59> that fixed it
[14:01] <wiiguy> ok will try it :)
[14:01] <Ben64> <ReggieUK> you'd think he'd have read the topic at least once
[14:01] <Ben64> ReggieUK: you must be new to irc
[14:01] <Gadgetoid> Oh look, the swearing flame-war fired up again and I missed it!
[14:01] <reider59> no, you will not. yes, I will. no, oh go on then
[14:01] <ReggieUK> ha, no, I've been using it since counterstrike days
[14:02] <Gadgetoid> <3 counterstrike, ahhhh
[14:02] <Ben64> then surely you know nobody reads the topic :)
[14:02] <ThomasJ73{A}> CS? Where? I wanna play!
[14:02] <reider59> stop calling me shirley, it was only once
[14:02] <reider59> ;-)
[14:02] <Ben64> i need to watch that movie again
[14:03] <ThomasJ73{A}> CAL-M when I quit.. (CS Source had just rolled out, got opted to play Cal-I but I refused and quit because I hated Source)
[14:03] <ThomasJ73{A}> Sorry, way off-topic
[14:03] <reider59> Don`t worry about it
[14:03] <Ben64> but... source is awesome
[14:03] <ReggieUK> source was way better than the original
[14:03] <Ben64> and soon will be working perfectly in linux
[14:03] <Pobz> anyone working on raspberry:source ?
[14:04] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon is probably working on a raspberry confit
[14:04] <Ben64> I want TF??
[14:05] <reider59> I might put brown source on the beans on toast my sub concious is telling me to do ;-)
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> brb phone
[14:05] <ThomasJ73{A}> ReggieUK: I agree now, but at the time I didn't like it
[14:05] <ThomasJ73{A}> I missed 1.1.. lol
[14:06] <Ben64> i remember knocking over barrels and bottles and stuff just to watch the amazing physics
[14:06] <ThomasJ73{A}> originally started with TFC then moved over to CS
[14:07] <ThomasJ73{A}> Ben64: That was awesome! However, when source released I didn't have a vid card that could really handle it and I would vid-lag hard.. (I think I had an NVidia GF4 4600 at the time)
[14:08] <Ben64> well I think i had a radeon 9000 or nvidia fx5200
[14:08] <ThomasJ73{A}> Ok, back to work for me.. pulled up the screen and seen counterstrike and got all excited... ;)
[14:08] <ReggieUK> it was a lot more immersive overall
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> right. hm. raspbery confit ...
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> we call that Jam round these parts :)
[14:09] <ReggieUK> that's comfit!
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> although I'm off to the Jam on Saturday in cambridge. must be mad, it's a 5-hour train journey each way.
[14:09] <ReggieUK> or is it?
[14:09] <Pobz> can't you just SSH in
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confit
[14:11] <jzu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfit
[14:11] <jzu> :-)
[14:11] <ReggieUK> indeed :D
[14:11] <ReggieUK> conceded, I knew I should have thrown a duck or something in there
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> right. now to make these silly LCDs scroll in my driver. or shall I not bother.... Hm.
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> Quack...
[14:11] <Draylor> if a second opinion helps gordonDrogon
[14:11] <Pobz> I'd probably go to a Jam if there was round here, although I'm guessing it'd be full of 17 year olds asking why they can't play Crysis on their Pi yet
[14:11] <Draylor> then yeah, you are mad ;)
[14:12] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, don't they have a scroll function built into the controller?
[14:12] <Maior> gordonDrogon: hm, I can't decide whether to go or not
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, yes, horizontal.
[14:12] <ReggieUK> or was that just something written into the arduino lcd driver
[14:12] <ReggieUK> ahh, so you want vertical scrolling?
[14:13] <ReggieUK> going to be fairly harsh isn't it?
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> they're really weird things - a multi-line display has separate controllers controlling every otther line!
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> yes, vertical.
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> so I need to copy line 1 to line 0, 2 to 1, etc.
[14:13] <ReggieUK> yeah, they use the same controller for multiple screen types
[14:13] <ReggieUK> 1,2,4 I believe
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> which means keeping a soft-copy of the data on the Pi.
[14:14] <ReggieUK> yeah, you'd have to write custom chars for each stage of the scrolling for each char
[14:14] <ReggieUK> and mix and match every other char too
[14:14] <ReggieUK> that's a lot of work
[14:15] <ReggieUK> oh, you just want one whole char at a time?
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> whole char, whole line.
[14:16] <ReggieUK> simple enough then :)
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> duck: http://unicorn.drogon.net/quackers.jpg
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> saw those the other day as I was parking my car.
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> lucky to escape I reckon as I think the duck man in town has been collecting the eggs to keep the numbers down...
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> we got some of those silly muscovy ducks in town for the millenniummmmm thing and they've sort of multiplied..
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[14:21] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. the townsfolk were up in arms when a cull was suggested until someone just suggested taking the eggs...
[14:23] <Draylor> heh
[14:23] <Draylor> tough to count the babies in that pic
[14:23] <Draylor> every time you look you see another head sticking out ;)
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[14:26] <MrZYX> gordonDrogon: found a working 4-bit mode example! http://www.piclist.com/techref/microchip/language/c/io/lcd/hitachilcd-cl/lcd_c.htm
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[14:27] <Pobz> are you using the pinout for the LCD, or USB?
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[14:27] <reider59> Tried it?
[14:27] <MrZYX> well, not that code but adapted it to my hackish ruby implementation
[14:27] <MrZYX> it's all about the right initialization procedure
[14:28] <Pobz> you guys know LCD2USB devices all work out the box in XBMC? thinking about buying one myself, only ?16
[14:28] <Pobz> http://www.lcdmodkit.com/ :D
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[14:29] <Pobz> http://s14.directupload.net/images/120625/3n66gvv5.jpg
[14:29] <MrZYX> if they work well under linux, they should under the pi if they don't draw too much power
[14:30] <Pobz> already working, according to that image
[14:30] <MrZYX> yeah
[14:30] <MrZYX> didn't reckon in 2 secs :P
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[14:31] <reider59> I have 4-5 of the USB modules here, sent from the US for research and development purposes, from CrystalFontz. These parallel modules are all new to me, though CF carry those too.
[14:32] <reider59> Oh and a SCAB temperature module and a box of sensors and wires
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[14:34] <Pobz> don't get carried away, it'll become self aware and start killing things
[14:35] <MrZYX> why does everybody think, self-awareness=killing?
[14:35] <Pobz> doesn't hollywood teach you anything
[14:36] <Pobz> eliminate those that have the power to shut you down
[14:36] <wiiguy> too bad we cant dual boot on the rpi yet :(
[14:36] <ReggieUK> how far along is uboot?
[14:37] <ReggieUK> cos that would totally allow dual booting
[14:37] <MrZYX> you can, just get a second sd card :P
[14:37] <ReggieUK> don't even need a 2nd sd card
[14:37] <ReggieUK> just need extra partitions for the extra rootfs
[14:37] <m4r35n357> does the PI/Wheezy support FUSE? (the file system, not the emulator!)
[14:38] <nid0> yes
[14:38] <ReggieUK> could script the renaming of kernel binaries to kernel.img at reboot if necessary
[14:38] <m4r35n357> it doesn't seem to work in QEMU, but that might be a module thing
[14:38] <ReggieUK> so you can dualboot already, if you put your mind to it
[14:38] <m4r35n357> cool, I don't get a /dev/fuse with QEMU . . .
[14:39] <Pobz> who needs dual boot when you can virtualise
[14:39] <m4r35n357> so no SSHFS, SMBFS until my PI arrives
[14:39] <Pobz> ported esxi to ARM :D
[14:39] <Pobz> joking
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[14:40] <Maior> Pobz: ...lol
[14:41] <Gadgetoid> Ahh, just successfully reverse engineered a report, joy
[14:41] <RAThomas> Gadgetoid: ?
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[14:43] <Gadgetoid> RAThomas: I've got the joyous privilege of re-implementing an entire incident reporting system, by mostly prodding the old one and seeing what it does
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[14:44] <RAThomas> well, my sister used to be an "incident" investigator for Boeing, but I'm guessing this context is not the same.
[14:44] <_sundar_> has anybody here tried openelec xbmc on pi?
[14:45] <mythos> Gadgetoid, oh, that sounds like fun
[14:45] <Gadgetoid> mythos: This sort of stuff I'd rather do in MDX if I had infinite time, my freshly minted SQL query is a bit nasty
[14:49] <RAThomas> _sundar_: to you mean *anyone*? If so, yes. If you mean anyone here right now, I don't know
[14:50] <RAThomas> OK, I see you were asking "here". I'll shut up now and finish my tea
[14:50] <_sundar_> RAThomas, yes i meant anyone. sorry for my bad english
[14:50] <Maior> _sundar_: do you have an actual question or is this a poll?
[14:51] <_sundar_> i've got a problem with connecting my mk260 logitech wireless keyboard
[14:51] <_sundar_> while the debian distro recognizes the keyboard the openelc doesnt
[14:51] <_sundar_> also the pi freezes when i press a key.
[14:52] <_sundar_> unfortunately i haven't ssh'ed to it to see what is the problem
[14:52] <reider59> stop pressing a key ;-)
[14:52] <_sundar_> another corded keyboard works but is flaky
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[14:53] <reider59> I need food
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[14:54] <RAThomas> reider59: Oh! I just ate a PB&J. Was that for you?
[14:55] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, I like the idea of rigorously Object Orientated GPIO
[14:55] <enthusi> Heya
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[14:56] <enthusi> are there any available schematics to bring GPIO to TTL level and/or control stronger currents?
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[14:56] <MrZYX> reider59: gordonDrogon: btw found a pdf explaining the LCD stuff in full detail but still quite briefly: http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/57981/HD44780.pdf
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[15:03] <reider59> thx, I`ll look at that as soon as I get my beanz on toast down my neck. Got the 4 bit code on the other screen to see how it goes, then I`ll take a look at the 8 bit code when I find it.
[15:05] <Gadgetoid> Pi is still signed for, and still missing??? very strange??? the RS packaging isn't subtle, though, I wonder if it's been half-inched
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[15:06] <NucWin> I WILL build xbmc on archarm or die trying/waiting
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[15:07] <ThomasJ73{A}> NucWin: And make it available for the rest of us archarm fans?!? :)
[15:08] <NucWin> if it works i shal
[15:08] <NucWin> although think there might be a build already floating around
[15:08] <reider59> ahhhhh NucWin: Just received today a parcel from Tandy. 2 26 pin cables and 2 26 pin IDC crimp clips as ordered.....
[15:08] <ThomasJ73{A}> Haven't have time to look for one..
[15:08] <NucWin> nice reider59 thanks for letting me know
[15:09] <Gadgetoid> enthusi: you could probably use a logic level conversion breakout and/or some transistors
[15:09] <reider59> yw, was marked up as Tandy on the paperwork and from Oxford too
[15:11] <NucWin> nice wonder how much the tandy name cost
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[15:11] <ReggieUK> 4p going on reputation these days
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[15:17] <NucWin> not sure if this build of xbmc is going to work
[15:17] <NucWin> i have set arch to armv6 even though archarm is built for v5
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[15:18] <NucWin> CPP xbmc/guilib/GUILabelControl.o <---- current stage
[15:18] <reider59> wonder if that`s the problem, 4 bit mode goes via DB4 and DB7 (not DB0 and DB3) but has to be sent twice to complete it
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> hi
[15:19] <reider59> 4 bit 2 operation as opposed to 8 bit 1 operation
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> just catching up.
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> Yes, to send data in 4-bit mode, send it twice - one half at a time.
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> top nibble first.
[15:20] <fakker> omnomnom
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> My suspicions is that the issue is putting the device into 4-bit mode in the first place. All the code I'm looking at seems to send the commands 3 times for some unexplained reason...
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[15:22] <MrZYX> gordonDrogon: totally, look at the pdf I linked, if you strictly follow the initialization procedure there it works
[15:22] * MrZYX has it running
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[15:23] <Davespice> hmm, annoyingly I sometimes get this message when my IRC core connects to Freenode - it happens because it tries to join the channel before it's sent the /identify command (#raspberrypi: Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services)
[15:24] <reider59> you need a 10 sec delay
[15:24] <ReggieUK> which client?
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[15:24] <Davespice> Quassel
[15:24] <reider59> or a pause
[15:25] <reider59> the hammer is last
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[15:26] <ReggieUK> Davespice, http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/1084
[15:26] <glen2> Has anyone got a RPi to talk to an Android phone like a Arduino SDK?
[15:27] <Davespice> okay I'll try this now
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[15:30] <Davespice> hmm
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[15:32] <Davespice> what a pain in the rear
[15:33] <reider59> Thankfully XChat was quick and simple to add a 10 sec delay, that fixed it
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[15:34] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, I have looked - it's similar to all the other data sheets I've seen. 4-bit mode still isn't working for me...
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[15:34] <MrZYX> you did the three times clocking and the forth time with D4 set to low and then set the functions?
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[15:35] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, yes - however, I guess there's some sort of internal state machine - let me re-examine my code and make sure.
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[15:36] <MrZYX> actually it works for me with both, two times d5 &d4 high and then d4 low, d5 high, or three times
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[15:36] <MrZYX> and then of course don't reenable 8 bit at the function command
[15:36] <reider59> <<< waiting for the Python 4 bit mode that works lol
[15:38] <MrZYX> gordonDrogon: timing seems to be minimum too, I just skipped it in my ruby implementation since ruby over /sys/class is already slow enough :P
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[15:43] <Gadgetoid> Hmmm, doing GPIO in an OO fashion is kinda cool??? I wonder if I could have a 'pin' object toggle a pin to OUTPUT mode for writing and INPUT mode for reading
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[15:44] <Gadgetoid> But a pin with an output value of 1 should read as 1, if it's set to input it'll read as 0??? I wonder if it maintains the output value when switched back
[15:44] <MrZYX> I think I would even do two different Objects and sort of a factory producing input and output pins
[15:45] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: yeah having a separate object to handle input and output crossed my mind
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[15:45] <Gadgetoid> Bit out of my Python sphere of knowledge at the moment, though :D
[15:45] <Gadgetoid> At the moment I can do: my_pin = pin(1,OUTPUT) and then my_pin.write(HIGH)
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, reider59 Oh, I think I have it working on 4-bit mode now.
[15:46] <MrZYX> yay
[15:46] <Gadgetoid> But I can also do my_shift_register = shift(data_pin,clock_pin,latch_pin) and then my_shift_register.write(0xff)
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> Hurrah, I can connect antoher 4 LCDs to the Pi ..
[15:46] <reider59> woo hoo, cooking on gas
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[15:46] <MrZYX> gordonDrogon: what was the issue?
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[15:47] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, a matter or making sure the bits are in the right place... and a bit of a catch-22 - the chip won't know it's in 4-bit more until it's on 4-bit mode, so you need to sent it fake 8-bit mode instructions to start with - and thats (probably) why it takes exactly 3 inctructions to do it too - to keep the internal state machine in the right phase.
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> let me tidy it up now...
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[15:48] <gordonDrogon> I should be able to drive one display in 4-bit mode and one in 8-bit mode to test too...
[15:48] <reider59> It goes round the 4 bits twice as opposed to 8 bits once but needs a warm up lap ;-)
[15:48] <Davespice> right I think I have managed to fix it
[15:49] <reider59> or a lap of honour
[15:49] <Davespice> sorry if my joining and leaving has been annoying, it turns out I needed to do this;
[15:49] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: if you do Python at all, I've been working on this: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPi-Python/blob/master/wiringpi_class.py
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[15:49] <Joshun> hi
[15:49] <Davespice> ' /msg NickServ identify *****
[15:49] <Davespice> ' /wait 1000
[15:49] <Davespice> ' /join ##OpenGL
[15:49] <Davespice> ' /join #qt-onpi
[15:49] <Davespice> ' /join #raspbian
[15:49] <Davespice> ' /join #raspberrypi
[15:50] <Joshun> do devices need to be unmounted in order to clone them?
[15:50] <Davespice> but I ended up having to include the message to NuckServ twice
[15:50] <MrZYX> Gadgetoid: ugh all lower case class names? :P
[15:50] <Joshun> i tried doing it when they were not mounted and i got 'no such file or directory'
[15:50] <Davespice> just going to leave and join one more time
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[15:51] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: Hahaha
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[15:51] <MrZYX> CamlCase for great justice!
[15:51] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: I have no exposure to Python best practise???so I'm kinda no-practise at the moment
[15:52] <MrZYX> hehe, wanna see my ultra slow and hacky ruby GPIO abstraction?
[15:52] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: Sure, would like to see how it compares to mine :D
[15:52] <MrZYX> regarding python coding styles, I think they even have a PEP for it
[15:52] <Gadgetoid> Everything in Ruby is ultra-slow
[15:53] <MrZYX> https://github.com/MrZYX/rpi_gpio_toys/blob/master/ruby/gpio.rb as said just something to work with for now
[15:53] <MrZYX> on and off methods even broken atm^^
[15:53] <Joshun> i've made a custom raspbian image if anyone's interested
[15:53] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: Ah, you're handling all the exporting and stuff yourself? Y U NO WiringPi-Ruby!
[15:54] <MrZYX> avoiding layers of confusion since I've no Arduino background ;)
[15:54] <Gadgetoid> This is mine, based on my shoddily wrapped version of Gordon's WiringPi C library: https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi-Ruby/blob/master/lib/wiringpi.rb
[15:54] <MrZYX> also understanding everything from the bottom up
[15:55] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: I'll grant you the learning experience, but my Ruby wrapper isn't very Arduino-like anyway
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[15:55] <MrZYX> yeah, saw it already. To be honest I kinda dislike how you pollute the global constants space for magic numbers. That's what ruby has symbols for IMO
[15:55] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: What you've got looks pretty good, although I'd add a check for already exported stuff
[15:56] <MrZYX> yeah I ignore the device busy warnings atm ;P I'd completly redo it anyway before sayiing anybody to actually use it
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> Hm. issues now setting it into 2-line mode...
[15:56] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: That's more for maintaining a somewhat Arduino-like methodology than anything else, I've never felt particularly comfortable about the library doing said polluting though
[15:56] * gordonDrogon ponders ponderous thoughts.
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[15:57] <Gadgetoid> I'm having somewhat of an internal struggle between Arduino code and example portability, and staying true to the various feels and conventions of each individual language
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[15:57] <m4r35n357> is it normal to get double root FS mounts in Debian Wheezy?
[15:58] <Gadgetoid> But now I've put all the code into a well-structured GitHub organisation, I'm hoping others will begin to contribute and set the direction for the libraries
[15:58] <MrZYX> hm I think you'll rarely see direction changes, just suggestions. It's kinda up to you as maintainer how the overall feel of the API should be
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[15:59] <reider59> Maybe it might be better to look at the code from MrZYX and compare the two, unless you already did so
[16:00] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: I'm tending towards a rigorous class-based approach, with raw access to the C library methods being available if the end-users wants to ignore the API or roll their own
[16:00] <MrZYX> that might be good as an underlying layer, I'd like to see a ruby dsl in the long term though
[16:01] <MrZYX> ruby is all about abstraction but still giving the power to touch the underlying stuff if you need to
[16:02] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: Trouble with Ruby is it's also all about slloooowww, so replacing all the globals with symbols could significantly impact high-frequency IO
[16:02] <MrZYX> hm kinda true
[16:02] <Gadgetoid> If you have :HIGH and :LOW then at some point you've got to resolve those to 1 and 0 before they go into the C library
[16:02] <MrZYX> but I'd question the use of ruby for high frequency needs altogether :P
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> Hurrah. solved it. I can now run them in 4 or 8-bit modes and I can even run one in 4-bit mode and one in 8-bit mode on the same 'bus' (although why I'd ever want to is anyones guess!)
[16:02] <Gadgetoid> But on the flip side, if you want high-speed IO you probably shouldn't be using Ruby!
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[16:02] <Gadgetoid> Haha, beat me to it!
[16:03] <reider59> Nice one!
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[16:03] <reider59> to compare the difference in time between 4 and 8 bit?
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> that hitachi controller obviously has a littme state machine on the startup side which you need to stick to, but it's not terribly well documented.
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[16:04] <gordonDrogon> oh, 4-bit will obivously be half the speed of 8-bit mode - 2 transfers than 1.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> reider59, have you gotten yours going yet?
[16:04] <reider59> though one is a 2 line and tother is a 4 line
[16:04] <reider59> nope
[16:04] <reider59> got a yellow streak
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> reider59, yes, I have a 2x16 and a 4x20. I think it's the 4x20 that's currently in 4-bit mode.
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> don't eat yellow snow ...
[16:05] <reider59> my 4x20 is set up for 4 bit mode
[16:05] <Gadgetoid> I'd probably do crazy things with hashes, like: states = {:high => 1, :low => 0}
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[16:06] <reider59> well, wired that is
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[16:06] <MrZYX> Gadgetoid: that's not too crazy actually
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[16:07] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: probably less crazy than a bunch of flow control
[16:07] <stanley> IS there a way to reset root on a RaspPi?
[16:07] <WASDx> stanley: reformat the card i suppose
[16:07] <WASDx> not sure what you mean also
[16:07] <stanley> I was hoping there was another option.
[16:07] <stanley> I want to reset the root password, not sure if possible.
[16:07] <reider59> it is
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[16:08] <stanley> I messed up everything with a recursive permission changed (turns out .* isn't a good idea, and it includes "../", didn't realise.)
[16:08] <stanley> reider59: how shot
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[16:09] <reider59> ru passwd root
[16:09] <reider59> oops
[16:09] <stanley> uh..
[16:09] <stanley> I'm locked out man
[16:09] <reider59> su passwd root
[16:09] <stanley> I can't get to passwd
[16:09] <stanley> (or sudo for that matter)
[16:10] <MrZYX> hm you can't sudo?
[16:10] <MrZYX> so you lost both passwords?
[16:10] <reider59> thought you just wanted to change the root password.
[16:10] <stanley> Can't sudo man.
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[16:10] <MrZYX> anything you need to save?
[16:11] <stanley> There is, but I can restore it from my other system.
[16:11] <stanley> (Just a hassle)
[16:11] <stanley> I'd rather save my installation somehow
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[16:12] <MrZYX> then boot another system, get root on it, then chroot into your installation and run passwd
[16:12] <stanley> Nothing simpler? I don't really want to mess about with a reader n'stuff
[16:12] <booyaa> no
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[16:12] <booyaa> http://www.debianadmin.com/forgot-root-password-or-reset-root-password-in-debian.html
[16:12] <MrZYX> if you lost both passwords that or reinstall
[16:13] <reider59> Copy the SD Card then use another to reinstall, file manager with the copy from SD to a flash key and retrieve what you want?
[16:13] <stanley> It's not really an issue about retrieval
[16:13] <reider59> Only takes minutes to reinstall
[16:13] <stanley> I guess I'll just re-os
[16:13] <booyaa> MrZYX: will have a look at the chroot stuff, sounds like a different approach
[16:13] <stanley> reider59: scping everything I need is tedious.
[16:13] <MrZYX> booyaa: not that I tried it, but I think it'll work :P
[16:14] <MrZYX> fixed grub several times with that method without needing a root password^^
[16:14] <stanley> am disappoint I can't do anything like on a normal system
[16:14] <stanley> (as in reset)
[16:15] <booyaa> what system?
[16:15] <stanley> Debian/etc
[16:15] <stanley> Normally you can just boot into recovery mode
[16:15] <stanley> Reset root
[16:15] <stanley> blah
[16:15] <stanley> then again, I doubt this will boot considering /etc/* is broken
[16:16] <booyaa> aren't you using the official debian image? i know it doesn't have grub/lilo, but it's debian no?
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[16:16] <stanley> I'm using the one on raspberrypi.org
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[16:18] <habs> Is anyone here going to bring their Raspberry Pi/going at all to OSCON 2012 in Portland?
[16:18] * booyaa is wondering if you can still switch run levels in linux.. in theory you might be able to get into single user mode
[16:18] <booyaa> is it telinit tos witch run levels?
[16:18] <MadnessEvolved> If you fly me to Portland, sure.
[16:18] <booyaa> ah of course it would require you have some form of prompt
[16:19] <booyaa> duh
[16:19] <stanley> I have ssh
[16:19] <stanley> but not root
[16:19] <NucWin> `armv6', `armv6j', `armv6t2', `armv6z', `armv6zk', `armv6-m', <-- anyone know which one or how to findout?
[16:20] <MrZYX> stanley: no offense, just ensuring: you know you need your normal users password to sudo?
[16:20] <stanley> MrZYX: NOPASSWD in /etc/sudoers ftw. I'm a key guy.
[16:20] <MrZYX> you have it that way currently?
[16:20] <stanley> Yes.
[16:20] <stanley> sudo: /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 128, should be 0
[16:20] <MrZYX> what's the matter in doing sudo passwd then?
[16:20] <stanley> :p
[16:21] <stanley> I totally broke /etc/*'s owner.
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[16:21] <MrZYX> well plug that card out in put it into another linux and fix the permissins
[16:21] <booyaa> oo now this could be useful: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=9466&p=109550&hilit=single+user+mode#p109550
[16:21] <stanley> this will be fun
[16:21] <booyaa> just need a reader so you can edit cmdline.tx
[16:21] <booyaa> t
[16:21] <stanley> I guess I'll mount it in a vm
[16:22] <MrZYX> sounds good
[16:22] <stanley> Hang on then
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[16:22] <booyaa> it would appear that you can even blat the /etc/shadow if you can mount elswhere
[16:23] <Maior> you can do anything...
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[16:23] <booyaa> yeah heck if you've got physical access to most systems it's half the battle
[16:23] <MrZYX> half?
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[16:24] <pld7> hello?
[16:24] <MrZYX> hi
[16:24] <Gadgetoid> Today I learned that Dim Badger As String = <ZOMG><![CDATA[ZOMG!?]]></ZOMG>.Value is valid DotNet syntax
[16:24] <booyaa> other half is remembering how to reset it the password :D
[16:24] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: hahahaha
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[16:24] <booyaa> i need to ad that in some code
[16:24] <pld7> I don't suppose anyone here is doing RPi stuff with webcams?
[16:24] <booyaa> pld7: tried and failing at the mo
[16:24] <Maior> pld7: will be, but not yet
[16:25] <Maior> pld7: is this a poll, or do you have some sort of issue?
[16:25] * booyaa is using archlinux, but /dev/video locks up after a few seconds
[16:25] <booyaa> i was using motion
[16:25] <pld7> i'm trying to create a time lapse system but I'm having a tonne of problems
[16:25] <Gadgetoid> The result is Badger = "ZOMG!?" - not useful for single-line strings, but in VB.Net it allows you to create multiline strings without using a StringBuilder
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[16:25] <booyaa> yeah but isn't stringbuilder better for speed?
[16:25] <pld7> has anyone player around with mplayer?
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[16:26] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: I'm not entirely sure, if your string doesn't have any concatenation then I believe that hacky method might even be faster than a stringbuilder
[16:26] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: But where you're including variables, a stringbuilder would probably be faster
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[16:27] <Gadgetoid> I dislike putting SQL into the code anyway, but not half as much as I distrust any of the MySql view functionality I know virtually nothing about
[16:27] <booyaa> :D
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[16:29] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: do you playu around with EF?
[16:29] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: What be EF?
[16:29] <booyaa> entity framework
[16:29] * booyaa came across before other ORMs, kinda likes it
[16:30] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: Hmm, never tried it. Tried dataset designer and stuff like that way back when I used to work with MS Sql
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[16:31] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: lovely stuff if you use mssql/oracle can't remember what else is suppotred out of the box
[16:31] <Gadgetoid> The queries I'm working on are moderately horrible things which should probably be aggregated into an OLAP cube with everything pre-calculated
[16:31] <booyaa> you can finally do pocos to dbo (code first) or use the designer doobie to create your classes
[16:32] <booyaa> i've yet to do any data warehousing stuff.. maybe a bit of etl but no cube things
[16:32] <booyaa> sorry offtopic chaps :D
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[16:33] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: Haha, if we're not exploding another conversation, who cares ;)
[16:33] <booyaa> true :D
[16:34] <ThomasJ73{A}> Nothing like a fun-filled day updating an old VB6 app.. :)
[16:34] <Gadgetoid> ThomasJ73{A}: *groan* and you haven't lost the will to live?
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[16:36] <ThomasJ73{A}> Gadgetoid: LoL, not yet. They keep paying me to do it.. I don't mind VB6 actually, I've been writing it for so long, I can do it without looking at the screen.. ;)
[16:37] <Gadgetoid> ThomasJ73{A}: I remember churning out loads of silly apps with VB6 back in my highschool/college days
[16:38] <Gadgetoid> Don't think I've got any of my old code??? probably for the best!
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[16:38] <ThomasJ73{A}> Gadgetoid: Agreed.. I spent many hours coding useless apps in VB6 in my early days.. This app however is a biggie, they run their entire compeny off it.. approx 600,000 lines of code.. took a little over 6 years to develop
[16:38] * booyaa was lucky to avoid vb6 and winforms
[16:39] <booyaa> went straight into asp.net webforms and now onto mvc
[16:39] <Timmmaaaayyy> HOLA! Just wanted to introduce myself. I'm a newb and I just got my pi yesterday! Pretty impressed so far.
[16:39] <Gadgetoid> ThomasJ73{A}: wowser!
[16:39] <reider59> <<< Not enough jumper leads for 8 bit so it will have to be 4, til Friday. see if Maplins have any yet. I just had a look in my store but nothing like them. Thought an old style power to mobo or USB conectors might do it, must have used them.
[16:39] <Gadgetoid> Timmmaaaayyy: Allo!
[16:39] <booyaa> Timmmaaaayyy: welcome to the ROC
[16:39] <ThomasJ73{A}> Timmmaaaayyy: Welcome to Linux/RPi!
[16:39] <Timmmaaaayyy> lol???i feel like i'm in Korea all over again
[16:39] <Timmmaaaayyy> the ROC
[16:39] <ThomasJ73{A}> Timmmaaaayyy: You're gonna love it!
[16:40] <reider59> RasPi Owners club
[16:40] <reider59> it`s like adopting a Pony but costs less
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[16:40] <[ROC]ThomasJ73> ;)
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[16:41] <reider59> "My Little Pi"......my little pony
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[16:41] <booyaa> now that would be a nice case...using a my little pony
[16:41] <booyaa> bit jagged though
[16:41] <mikey_w> How can I test sound in debian?
[16:41] <reider59> see if you can hear it ;-)
[16:41] <frankivo> reider59: see? :P
[16:42] <ThomasJ73> lol @ reider59
[16:42] <mikey_w> That would be nice, yes.
[16:42] <reider59> Sure there are some sound files built in or easy to download, I tried some just fooling on the desktop in sound
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[16:44] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/06/raspberry-pi-speakers-analog-sound-test/
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[16:48] <mikey_w> Thanks for the URL.
[16:48] <reider59> oh god, download this and test it! It reminds me of last night...... http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/category/linux-distro/debian-linux-distro/feed/
[16:49] <reider59> police s.wav
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[16:50] <reider59> <<< was secure last night with 3 police cars outside. Pity they were not a little teensy weensy bit quiet!
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[16:50] <booyaa> woop woop that's the sound of da police!
[16:50] <booyaa> soz reider59 you had a disco nap yet?
[16:51] <reider59> no, think coffee was a mistake lol
[16:53] <steve_rox> anyone know how to override/force a usb3 port to max power output on win32?
[16:54] <reider59> Oh shuffle, asked Tandy for two 26 pin leads and they sent 1 twice the length. More work lol
[16:54] <reider59> quite long too
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon> reider59, going to pu my code up soon - want a pre-release of it?
[16:59] <reider59> If you don`t mind, yes please. Was just going to find gerts 26 pin IDC tutorial, short of jumper leads here
[17:00] <reider59> Might get some more from Tandy as spares
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> :)
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> hit it with a hammer :)
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> that's what I used to do when in a hurry when making up IDC leads - not recommended though...
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> funny how I almost always used to have a hammer to hand...
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[17:01] <reider59> I have a suction cup vice here that has a grip like cast iron
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[17:01] <gordonDrogon> the joys of working in a mechanical engineering lab ...
[17:01] <reider59> and rubber faced jaws
[17:01] <ThomasJ73> Off to jerk some cable, back later, y'all.. :)
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[17:02] <reider59> helping hand is useful for wiring, with the magnifying glass too. I want some of those flip down magnifying glasses, like a real pair too
[17:02] <reider59> << blind
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> reider59, http://unicorn.drogon.net/wiringPi.tgz has the latest with the lcd module included.
[17:06] <reider59> Many thanks, got that
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> reider59, yea, I want one of those magnifier things too - not blind yet, but up to +1.75 so-far...
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[17:09] <reider59> Helping hands and magnifying glass on a strong heavy base was ?3 from Lidl. But at the time of the offer I was housebond, back and leg went completely for 3 weeks. So my Dad picked one up 100 miles away in Lincolnshire and posted it to me. Dread to think what th epostage was, it`s not light.
[17:09] <reider59> *housebound
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[17:09] <reider59> read bedbound
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[17:10] <reider59> In fact he got me the suction cup vice too
[17:10] <ReggieUK> I neeeed one of those
[17:10] <reider59> wish Mum was that useful ;-)
[17:10] <Compy> Hey guys, on the $35 ethernet rpi with the standard debian squeeze image, why would loading sound through 'modprobe snd_bcm2385' introduce USB latency when using pygame.mixer? (I also get 'There is no soundcard' after calling init()). Sound plays, but USB latency jumps through the roof... If I don't load the sound module, its fine. Any ideas?
[17:10] <ReggieUK> I've got a rolson bench vice clamped to the desk atm
[17:11] <reider59> Keep watching Lidl and Aldi, if I see one I`ll post back because I get the offers in writing 2-3 days before they go on sale
[17:11] <reider59> That vice is a lifesaver and really really good quality
[17:11] <reider59> Can angle it too
[17:12] <ReggieUK> I could do with a small drill press vice too (that's more important really)
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[17:15] <gordonDrogon> I miss not working in the mech/ind lab at Napier... had all sorts of tools, etc...
[17:15] <reider59> One here ?14.99 which is a bit pricey as these offers go http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/sis.html?_nkw=WORKZONE%20SUCTION%20VICE%20E%20&_itemId=320733955660 Not the drill press one
[17:15] <mervaka> got an Aldi here. got loads of really good tools from there. just send back the ones that don't work :p
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[17:18] <reider59> Proto Pic has the helping hands in (got my LCD there).....?7.28 inc VAT
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[17:18] <reider59> scratch that
[17:18] <reider59> ?2.94 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rolson-Tools-60335-Helping-Magnifying/dp/B001BMSBD4
[17:19] <reider59> 5-6p cheper than mine
[17:19] <reider59> *cheaper
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[17:19] <reider59> Amazing the net!
[17:20] <Timmmaaaayyy> any of you have a case for your pi?
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> amazing the time people will spend to save 5p ;-)
[17:20] <reider59> 90 mil glass same one ?5.96 with free delivery http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rolson-60338-Helping-Magnifying-Glass/dp/B001MJ0JV8
[17:21] <reider59> out of stock
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[17:28] <ReggieUK> I've got the cheap one but don't really like it
[17:28] <ReggieUK> probably going to get an auyoe (not sure if that's the right spelling) board holder instead at some point
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[17:35] <uw> so the 10M light is lit on my board. does that mean the ethernet is connected at 10Mbps?
[17:35] <ReggieUK> no
[17:35] <ReggieUK> the silkscreen is wrong
[17:35] <ReggieUK> if it's lit, it's in 100Mbps connection mode
[17:35] <uw> haha gotcha
[17:36] <ReggieUK> :)
[17:36] <uw> yea, i dont have ethtool on here so wasnt sure how else i could tell with out moving data
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[17:50] <Gadgetoid> Hmmm, Pi still M.I.A. - damned RS packaging couldn't get any more obvious, wonder if someone took a shine to it
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[17:51] <nrdb> does any one know the raspbian (hexxeh) image name/password?
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[17:56] <ReggieUK> If it hasn't turned up but it's listed as signed for already, then I'd put in a claim
[17:56] <ReggieUK> especially as that won't be your signature on their records
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[17:57] <Peanut> nrdb: root/hexxeh, it's on the page where you downloaded it from.
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[18:04] <f8ba208e18> hi
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, was it signed for? I don't recall my RS Pi being signed for ....
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[18:10] <Gadgetoid> ReggieUK: Yeah, it's my colleague's Pi, it has been signed for, delivered by ParcelFarce
[18:10] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: ^
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[18:11] <Gadgetoid> We're in a shared office building, so we assumed it had been accidentally delivered to one of the other office, no such luck though
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[18:11] <Gadgetoid> Nothing like a spontaneous disappearance to finish up a 4-week wait! poor sod
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> Hm. yea.
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> well, you can demand parcelforce release a copy of the signature, although in-theory it's really up to RS to track and chase this up...
[18:12] <drazyl> is there a digital signature and record of the name?
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[18:21] <Gadgetoid> Anyone running Raspbian want to try: time perl -e 'use Digest::SHA qw(sha256);for (my $var = 0; $var < 1000000; $var++) {sha256($var);}'
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> running
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[18:22] <Gadgetoid> Not sure if hardfp makes a difference either in this specific case or at all, but my result was 1m21.247s
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> real 1m9.466s
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> user 1m9.260s
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> sys 0m0.030s
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> @900MHz
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> running it on a wheezy Pi too also @ 900MHz
[18:25] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, raw MHz certainly would appear to make a small difference
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> st.d debian @800MHz: real 1m14.807s
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[18:26] <gordonDrogon> wheezy @ 900MHZ: real 1m16.770s
[18:26] <Gadgetoid> Ah, googled it and sha256 is integer/bitwise ops only
[18:26] * gordonDrogon nods.
[18:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> real 1m11.195s
[18:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> user 1m10.560s
[18:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> sys 0m0.090s
[18:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> @900 raspbian
[18:27] <Gadgetoid> GPU wouldn't help much with that sort of thing either, I guess
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> 3.3 on my desktop...
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[18:28] <Gadgetoid> Poor Pi, it needs a hoofing great big intel CPU, haha
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> Heh... (my desktop is AMD :)
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[18:29] <gordonDrogon> 13.8 on my Atom AAO.
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> same on my atom server.
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> 2.2 on one of my VM host servers...
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[18:32] <Gadgetoid> Reeet! Time to go homewards
[18:32] <Gadgetoid> See you folkies later
[18:33] <chandoo> hello
[18:34] <chandoo> why the images are so big, my understanding is images should be small like 200-400mb
[18:34] <chandoo> cos not much drivers are needed for this tiny hardware, why put all the drivers init
[18:35] <ReggieUK> images can be as big or as small as someone decides to make them
[18:35] <chandoo> ReggieUK:-} what is the smallest rpi image
[18:35] <ReggieUK> not sure why squeeze is as big as it is
[18:35] <ReggieUK> no idea :)
[18:35] <nid0> you know a lot of the debian image for example is the ui and graphics right
[18:35] <ReggieUK> i think there's a raspbian that's relatively small
[18:35] <nid0> the arch image by comparison is 200MB
[18:36] <ReggieUK> has to be that really but I never looked into exactly why
[18:36] <chandoo> all i want is nice gui with xbmc
[18:36] <ReggieUK> and given that you can build a kernel + rootfs and squeeze it all into 8MB image if you like, it really is a 'how long is a piece of string' question
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[18:38] <ReggieUK> http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> I managed to get an image down to about 105MB compressed.
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[18:38] <ReggieUK> there's a 109MB image though if it's helpful
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> that was a very bare-bones raspbian image though.
[18:38] <Timmmaaaayyy> what's the "favorite" image so far? the debian squeeze from the raspberry site?
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, ah, didn't know about that - I guess they've done the same as me...
[18:39] <ReggieUK> yeah, I guess it depends exactly what lengths you want to go to to strip it down
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> I was looking at the bare minimal for a turn-key BASIC system :)
[18:39] <ReggieUK> stripping all teh binaries, removing all man stuff etc.
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> I could get it down to about 4MB, however there was absolutely no userland utilities at all.... so init=/rtb in cmdline.txt
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> booted to basic in under 5 seconds though :)
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> not quite the same as the old apples or BBC's, but ...
[18:41] <ReggieUK> !boot
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> PR#6
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> (the Apple II command to boot a disk)
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[18:45] <ReggieUK> bbiab
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[18:58] * markllama was more enamoured of CALL -151
[19:00] <Detritus> The GPU would be of great benefit for that calc. After all, the bitcoin people do nothing but solve sha256 on thier GPU's. Lot of work to get the code right, especially since the GPU is closed.
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> call -151... Now there's a number...
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> I think the GPU is OK, but there are faster and more open ones on other platforms...
[19:07] <ReggieUK> like anything using cuda?
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> markllama, http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[19:08] <ReggieUK> I just wonder exactly how useful gpu math on the pi would be for most people that would want to use it (bitcoin peeps + researchers/hackers)
[19:08] <markllama> ahh the good old days
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> cuda's also proprietary though, isn't it?
[19:09] <ReggieUK> cuda is but it's also got an sdk
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, ok.
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> I worked with a company a while back that produced a massively parallel co-processor chip once...
[19:09] <markllama> gordonDrogon: I ended up putting my Apple ][ GS out at the curb after spending months trying to find someone to take it and use it.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> markllama, really? They sell on ebay...
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> markllama, I got that on ebay in January...
[19:10] <ReggieUK> I know of people that have jammed as many cuda enabled nvidia cards as they could into a PC just to mine bitcoins :)
[19:11] <ReggieUK> including using risers on the pci slots
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> but do they make more money in BC's than they spend in electricity :)
[19:11] <ReggieUK> at one point yes
[19:11] <ReggieUK> not sure about now
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> heh
[19:11] <markllama> It would have cost more to pack it up and ship it than anyone was apparently willing to pay for it.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> markllama, Hm. sad. I went to manchester to collect that - but I had a free train pass at the time, else I'd probably not have done it.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> markllama, what I really want is a serial card so I can get some of my old Apple II BASIC programs off it.
[19:14] <chandoo> what are the pins on rpi for
[19:14] <chandoo> single and double pins
[19:15] <chandoo> what is the cheapest case for rpi
[19:15] <markllama> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[19:15] <markllama> if your kids have a good lego set you can make one free
[19:16] * markllama has been tempted to go into the nearby froofy lego store and hand pick the pieces needed for a case, build it in the store and pay for it on the way out.
[19:16] <Timmmaaaayyy> can someone tell me where i can download the fedora remix for the pi? i can't find it anywhere? the links seem to be going in circles but never giving an actual download
[19:16] <markllama> I've also been tempted to just take an exacto to the cardboard box it came in
[19:17] <kokakoda> ^ this.
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[19:17] <markllama> Timmaaayyyy: It had kernel problems with F14. It's in active development for F17 but not yet released
[19:17] * markllama wants it too
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> you actually want Fedora???
[19:17] <markllama> they deprecated it in favor of the Debian and ARch ones
[19:17] <Timmmaaaayyy> markllama: thank you much!!
[19:17] <markllama> gordonDrogon: I work for Red Hat :-)
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> markllama, Ah well, that probably explains it then... :)
[19:18] <markllama> and yeah, I like Fedora
[19:18] <Timmmaaaayyy> i was going to go with debian squeeze, but i can't figure out how to resize my card to the full 8GB
[19:18] <Timmmaaaayyy> haha
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> I guess since I've used Debian for the past 18 years, I want to stick to Debian...
[19:18] <markllama> the liking went the other way. I've always liked working with RH based stuff, and when the opportunity came I jumped.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> Timmmaaaayyy, check this for resize: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[19:18] * markllama has worked with Debian and Ubuntu. RH based still comes easier for that same reason.
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[19:19] <markllama> Hrrm. I wonder if anyone's working on an OpenSolaris port. Now that would be cozy :-)
[19:19] <Timmmaaaayyy> gordonDrogon: thanks, i'll try this now
[19:20] <chandoo> markllama:-} thanks for link, sure i would like to know about the lego pieces, do you already have the list, i have one store near my house and my son plays with them as well :)
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[19:20] <markllama> chandoo: look on the main Pi page. Scroll down the blogs. A 13yr old girl posted the instructions for the one she made.
[19:20] <markllama> complete with a cutsy logo in lego(tm)
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[19:21] <gordonDrogon> Lego case: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1515
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> yea, that's the one.
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> I thought the logo was rather clever.
[19:21] <markllama> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1515
[19:21] <markllama> yep
[19:22] <markllama> more fun to go to the store and pick the pieces out in front of the curious
[19:22] <markllama> better still would be to have a flash-mob of lego case builders.
[19:22] <gordonDrogon> I don't think there's a shop here that I can do that in.
[19:22] <markllama> who else lives near Burlington MA?
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> I used to live in Waltham MA. And Concord MA...
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> many years ago...
[19:23] <markllama> I lived in Waltham on Lake St for about 3
[19:23] <chandoo> looks interesting lego case
[19:23] <chandoo> adafruit case is more appealing
[19:23] <markllama> http://stores.lego.com/en-us/Burlington/LandingPage.aspx
[19:23] <markllama> yeah, but you asked for CHEAP
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> I've absolutely no idea where I lived - couldn't rmember the address/street for anything. this was some 20 years ago.
[19:24] <markllama> course if you buy the legos, it's not.
[19:24] <chandoo> adafruit is cheap than lego case
[19:24] <chandoo> lego is $13.95 and adafruit is $14
[19:24] <markllama> I was on lake st.... from 1988-1990
[19:24] <Detritus> I'd much rather have OpenCL than CUDA anyway
[19:24] <chandoo> lego is uk pound 13.95 and adafruit is $14
[19:24] <markllama> chandoo: my kids don't charge me for stealing from their set.
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> I have these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-a-p-1070.html
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[19:25] <chandoo> markllama:-} i don't think i still see them around in house
[19:25] <Detritus> I'm not sure either are needed for this platform though, high speed computing isn't exactly the target market.
[19:25] <chandoo> any toy i buy for them i see it around for 1week at most
[19:25] <markllama> heh
[19:25] <chandoo> i have to go to store and site there and put things together
[19:25] <markllama> in which case it's stashed in the back under the gigantic teddy bear
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> I have a steamer trunk full of logo mindstorms/technic...
[19:26] * markllama thinks it would make a cool blog if he could get a dozen people to go build cases in one store at the same time and take pics.
[19:26] <markllama> I wonder what other cute things you could make cases from.
[19:26] <chandoo> may be for me lego is not a good choise i think, in my absense my kids think it is play toy and dont know they gonna play with it :)
[19:26] <markllama> jewelery boxes from Nordsroms?
[19:26] <Detritus> ReggieUK: No one in thier right mind uses nVidia card for mining bitcoins. The AMD ones are an order of magnitude faster for that job.
[19:27] <chandoo> difficult to convince 2-3 year old
[19:27] <markllama> yeah 2-3 is still Duplo
[19:27] <markllama> a duplo case would be about 5 blocks
[19:27] <markllama> or it would be the size of a basketball
[19:27] <chandoo> but ideas are interesting
[19:27] <chandoo> i just received my two rpi yesterday
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[19:29] <spike___> evening all
[19:30] <spike___> did anyone get thier beta Pi case from IP Adelt yet?
[19:31] <uw> hello
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[19:37] <spike___> http://spikeware.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/img_03341.jpg
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[19:37] <spike___> bit blurry but you get the idea
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[19:38] <Joshun> hi
[19:38] <spike___> wotcha
[19:38] <Joshun> do any of you know how to resize a partition in a backup up rpi image
[19:38] <Joshun> of the whole device
[19:39] <spike___> hmm bit beyond me that, i'll hava google for u though
[19:40] <spike___> they must be a post somewhere
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[19:40] <Joshun> it would probably count as a virtual hard disk not a virtual filesystem, since its the whole disk
[19:40] <spike___> did you want for a bigger sd card?
[19:40] <kokakoda> You'd need to know the CHS values, done something similar with a QEMU image a few times...
[19:40] <Joshun> i want to shrink it
[19:41] <Joshun> because it has unused space
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, resize it bigger?
[19:41] <Joshun> shrink it
[19:41] <Joshun> its a dump of the whole device
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[19:41] <Joshun> so basically dd if=/dev/sdb of=file.img
[19:41] <markllama> create newer smaller image, put on fs, cpio...
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> shrinking a partition is trickier than expanding it.
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> I don't think it can be done line.
[19:42] <Joshun> would it be easier to back up the partitions separately?
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> dd will take a block for block image.
[19:42] <Joshun> because i could do dd if=/dev/sdb2 for instance to backup up rootfs
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> if you want to back it up, you can gzip it...
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I did that for a while.
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> before you do it, if it's live, dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile ; rm bigfile
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> that'll fill unused space with zeros which compress well..
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[19:44] <Joshun> wouldn't that just overwrite the whole file
[19:44] <Joshun> i've still got the sd card intact so i can back it up again
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> dd if=/dev/sdb2 | gzip > image.gz
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> the dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile will create a bigfile full of zeros - it won't overwrite any other files
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> it'll just fill the disk up (er SD card up)
[19:45] <Joshun> would you run that on the raspi then
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:45] <Joshun> or on mounted rootfs
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> if you mount it on another PC, you could run it there too.
[19:46] <Joshun> couldn't you trick the system into thinking it was a real device
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> however, if you've mounted it then you can copy the files off which might be faster.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> it is a real device.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> not sure what you're getting at..
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[19:51] <spike___> and he's gone..
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[19:51] <Joshun> sorry about that
[19:51] <markllama> you don't want to do it with dd. You want to create your new filesystem as a flat file image mounted as a loopback with the sd also mounted then use find | cpio -p to copy the contents;
[19:51] <Joshun> internet just randomly went off
[19:51] <markllama> then unmount the loopback and dd it back onto the SD
[19:51] <Joshun> what did you guys just say?
[19:52] <ReggieUK> [18:44] <+Joshun> couldn't you trick the system into thinking it was a real device
[19:52] <ReggieUK> [18:44] <+gordonDrogon> however, if you've mounted it then you can copy the files off which might be faster.
[19:52] <ReggieUK> [18:44] <+gordonDrogon> it is a real device.
[19:52] <ReggieUK> [18:44] <+gordonDrogon> not sure what you're getting at..
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> I really don' know why you repeated stuff I'd just typed.
[19:52] <markllama> at least one system first-run expands it essentially that way: load the whole FS into memory, partition the SD, format and copy it back as a complete tree into the new space.
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> confusion abounds.
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, what exactly do you want to do?
[19:54] <ReggieUK> because Joshun asked what you guys just said
[19:54] <Joshun> back it up and be able to use it as though it was a normal hard drive
[19:54] <Joshun> as in easily resize, change partitions etc.
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> well, just plugging it into a PC/Laptop with an SD adapter makes it just like a normal hard drive.
[19:54] <Joshun> as for the internet blame the stupid homehub on that
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> At, BT at its best ;-)
[19:55] <spike___> :)
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> so plug the SD card into your PC, et voila a normal hard drive..
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> then you can treat it as a normal hard drive, or a usb drive, or ... etc.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> so it'll have 2 partitions (at least), one VFAT and one ext4.
[19:55] <markllama> yep
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> depending on your distribuition, it might auto mount or it might not.
[19:56] <markllama> actually that's probably best. Plug the SD card in, dd the image to disk. repartition and format the SD
[19:56] <Joshun> well i run debian/ubuntu so it mounts all the partitions fine
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[19:56] <markllama> mount the image and find|cpio the contents back to the new SD partitions.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> for a backup, but possibly not to resize...
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> cpio - old man there (but I use it, so that's ok ;-)
[19:57] <Joshun> what would find|cpio actuallly do then
[19:57] <markllama> find lists all the files in the space. cpio copys each file listed
[19:57] <Joshun> wouldn't that take a lot longer
[19:57] <markllama> but it does it while maintaining ownership permissions etc.
[19:57] <Joshun> as apposed to imaging the whole device
[19:57] <markllama> a lot longer than "not possible"?
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> use -pm to cpio too.
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> find | cpio is relatively fast.
[19:58] <Joshun> would you have to run it on the rpi then
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> it's copying less data than dd is.
[19:58] <markllama> (cd <source> ; find . | cpio -pdVmu <destination>)
[19:58] <markllama> no, on a laptop or other device. You can't do it in place easily.
[19:59] <markllama> on a pi anyway
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, no - if you want to backup the SD card, then plug it into something else.
[19:59] <Joshun> would you have to run it as root
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[19:59] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:59] <markllama> only if the files on the SD are.
[19:59] <markllama> so yes
[20:01] <Joshun> what method would people using images use
[20:01] <Joshun> *making images
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[20:01] <markllama> gordonDrogon: and yes, in this space I'm an old man.
[20:02] <Joshun> lol
[20:02] <spike___> has anyone got libCEC rocking with raspbmc?
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[20:03] <markllama> I used to add tape drive device descriptors by re-linking the kernel
[20:04] <markllama> I opposed dynamic libraries... how can you be sure the machine will boot?
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> markllama, about as old as me then :)
[20:04] <Joshun> must have been quite a while ago, i barely know what a tape drive looks like :P
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> looks like the "record" icon on your phone...
[20:05] <Joshun> like an audio tape?
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> just like we're still using a floppy disk icon for 'save' ...
[20:05] <Joshun> well most things do
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, sort of.
[20:05] <Joshun> i think some of the new ubuntu themes now use a hard disk symbol
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> so a recrangular blob that resembled nothing.
[20:06] <Habbie> Joshun, like, with platters?
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[20:07] <Joshun> what the hd symbol?
[20:07] <Habbie> yes
[20:07] <Joshun> it just has a hard drive with an arrow on it i think
[20:07] <Habbie> ah
[20:07] <Joshun> if your running ubuntu open libreoffice up for instance
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[20:08] <Joshun> did tape drives hold more than floppies then
[20:09] <Habbie> yes
[20:09] <nio> ack, i want to install w-lan with my new d-link dwa-160 ... but it always says wlan0 does not support scanning ... i think i correctly installed that carl thing
[20:09] <Habbie> nio, try ifconfig wlan0 up
[20:10] <nio> wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: Kein passendes Ger?t gefunden
[20:10] <nio> ok, so there is no correct install?
[20:10] <Habbie> now try the scan
[20:10] <Habbie> just to be sure
[20:11] <nio> Bus 001 Device 007: ID 07d1:3a09 D-Link System DWA-160 802.11abgn Xtreme N Dual Band Adapter(rev.A2) [Atheros AR9170+AR9104]
[20:12] <nio> dmesg gives me (after unpluge): firmware not found. .. ok, i am sure, there was a carl last time
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[20:17] <booyaa> lo chaps
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[20:17] <Joshun> anybody know what the broadcom sound module is?
[20:18] <Habbie> snd_bcm2835
[20:18] <Joshun> cheers
[20:18] <C-M> apropos sound module???
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[20:18] <Joshun> i'll add it to /etc/modules then
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> hm.ph just power cycled a Pi. what was I saying about my dodgy usb hub earlier ...
[20:19] <C-M> is there a way to get rid of that strange noise in the beginning when sound playback is started?
[20:19] <C-M> (hi btw)
[20:19] <Adya> Good evening:)
[20:19] <Joshun> C-M - if the drivers proprietary then not until broadcom fixes it
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> LCD sorted for now
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/lcd-library/
[20:20] <C-M> Joshun :/
[20:20] <Habbie> cool stuff, gordonDrogon
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[20:21] <Joshun> though i don't know whether the sound driver is proprietary
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[20:22] <Joshun> C-M - maybe adding a script or something to play blank sound before sound is actually played
[20:22] <Habbie> i thought only the firmware was proprietary
[20:22] <n17ikh> anyone know if there's a decent case I can get for the rpi in the US that's "fulfilled by amazon" or sold by amazon?
[20:22] <Joshun> it may just be alpha quality
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[20:22] <Joshun> development on single board units is much less common
[20:23] <booyaa> fingers crossed watchdog is now working
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[20:24] <NucWin> boooo cant figure out how to make archarm kernel on my x64 computer using the PKGBUILD
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> do you need the watchdog?
[20:25] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: i had planned on rigging something up similar..using a arduino to power the pi and then connect to that to drop the power if nec
[20:25] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - what compression would you recommend for compressed images
[20:26] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: i like your pi widget btw
[20:26] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: the system stats?
[20:27] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: yeah :D
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[20:29] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, PNG
[20:29] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: I pastebin'd all the code for that a couple of hours ago and promptly forgot the URLs
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, Ah, disk images !!!
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, bzip2 ...
[20:31] <MrZYX> NucWin: makepkg isn't really able to crosscompile, except for this method: http://archlinuxarm.org/developers/distcc-cross-compiling
[20:31] <FrankBuss> n17ikh: why does it need to be sold by amazon? I hope this one gets funded: http://www.indiegogo.com/arcol-raspi?a=266305 you can pay with PayPal or credit card
[20:32] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: no worries man, going to do my own. it's an excuse to kick the tires on node,js on rpi
[20:32] <n17ikh> FrankBuss: because I like amazon's reliable shipping
[20:33] <FrankBuss> if it is a third party product and not a book, it is not necessarly shipped by amazon
[20:33] <n17ikh> anodized aluminum is cool, but that's almost what I paid for the pi
[20:33] <n17ikh> FrankBuss: which is why I specified "fulfilled by amazon"
[20:33] <FrankBuss> ok, didn't know the term :-)
[20:34] <n17ikh> but anyway, I'm looking for a decent case available in the US that won't take a month to get here
[20:34] <n17ikh> and won't cost as much as the pi itself
[20:34] <FrankBuss> Adafruit has some nice case
[20:34] <n17ikh> not available yet, or something
[20:34] <FrankBuss> http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
[20:34] <FrankBuss> 5-10 days
[20:35] <n17ikh> I signed up for the notification for that when it came out
[20:35] <Joshun> gordonDrogon, i think i'll use 7zip
[20:35] <FrankBuss> and there are lots of cases on eBay
[20:36] <FrankBuss> 44 items
[20:36] <FrankBuss> for "raspberry pi case"
[20:37] <n17ikh> a lot of those are 3d printed
[20:38] <n17ikh> the "RPi Technicase" looks ok
[20:39] <n17ikh> too bad they didn't put mounting holes on the Pi
[20:40] <n17ikh> and mounted connectors on every side of the thing.. makes making a decent case a difficult thing
[20:41] <uw> lousy non rebooting raspi
[20:42] <ReggieUK> modmypi case looks good and relatively cheap
[20:42] <ReggieUK> not on amazon though
[20:43] <ReggieUK> not sure if they're shipping yet
[20:43] <n17ikh> yeah.. I'm worried about international shipping though, and it also looks like there's a lead time on those
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[20:44] <NucWin> MrZYX that is the method im attempting to use
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[20:44] <MrZYX> never tried myself
[20:44] <NucWin> i have made armv6t hf environment thingie
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[20:45] <NucWin> but get a lot more options than i understand while running the makepkg for the kernel
[20:45] <NucWin> shortly afterwards it fails
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[20:46] <NucWin> i shall keep playing till i give up and play with gentoo or figure it out
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[20:50] <ThomasJ73> Everytime I install something via pacman (Arch-Arm) I get the following error: ldconfig: /usr/lib is not a symbolic link... What do I have wrong?
[20:50] <ThomasJ73> Basically, almost everything I install, doesn't work and I am assuming it's do to this..
[20:52] <ThomasJ73> Argh, reboot, brb
[20:52] <NucWin> have you changed something in /etc/ld.conf.d/ ?
[20:52] <ThomasJ73> NucWin: Not that I know of
[20:52] <ThomasJ73> I can't get out of screen now, so I have to reboot, brb
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[20:53] <MrZYX> time to get that link from allan's blog
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[20:57] <MrZYX> ThomasJ73: wb
[20:58] <ThomasJ73> MrZYX: Danke :)
[20:58] <MrZYX> did you happen to have testing enabled?
[20:58] <ThomasJ73> Not that I am aware of, MrZYX
[20:58] <MrZYX> hm thought your issue might have to do with this story http://allanmcrae.com/2012/07/the-arch-linux-testing-repo-is-for-testing/
[20:59] <MrZYX> (less the outer paragraphs, more the inner ones ;) )
[20:59] <ThomasJ73> This is a re-install (botched my initial) and everything worked fine up until today.. (installing stuff that is)
[21:00] <MrZYX> hm any change you could pin it to?
[21:00] <ThomasJ73> *shrug* I'm such a newb.. Gonna see if there's an option to view pacman install history
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[21:00] <MrZYX> not really afaik, hoped for your memory recorder :P
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> right. LCD done. LED 7-segment next.
[21:03] <cjbaird> Constantly getting entirely-trashed SDcard filesystems when the RPi panics, even when mounted as ext2 (albeit ext4-as-ext2).. a pain..
[21:03] <MrZYX> ThomasJ73: google says it's libspotify, could that be in your case?
[21:04] <Domin> MrZYX offtopic question but are you the author of the znc ignore module ?
[21:04] <MrZYX> nope, just fished together what's out there and patched it together so it compiled for me
[21:05] <MrZYX> my C skill is still very low (should change next semester), so I barely understand the code :P
[21:05] <Domin> ahh nice i just looked at it today and then saw you write here, and thought funny :-)
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[21:05] <Domin> i cant code anything :-)
[21:05] <MrZYX> it doesn't seem to remember the ignores over restarts of znc though :/
[21:06] <Domin> ohh :-/
[21:06] <MrZYX> btw I'm interested, how did you find it? Since I didn't advertise or link it at all???
[21:06] <Domin> someone found it via google and linked it in the official znc chan
[21:07] <protozoa> check out these cases http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Case-Billet-Aluminum-Case-with-Raspberry-Pi-Logo-Engraving-/140796208640?pt=US_Computer_Cases&hash=item20c81ba600, they're pretty bad ass
[21:07] <MrZYX> lol
[21:07] <Domin> :-)
[21:07] <ReggieUK> eww
[21:07] <Domin> so i thought it was rather funny you were here :-)
[21:07] <ReggieUK> went to all that effort and left the usb poking out like that
[21:08] <protozoa> yeah, they're not flush at all on the pcb
[21:08] <protozoa> more of a pcb design flaw IMO
[21:08] <ReggieUK> well yeah but given that that design flaw won't be fixed on teh pi, you fix it on the case :D
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[21:10] <booyaa> nope not working..*shakes fist at watchdog*
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[21:10] <gordonDrogon> it's a nice case, but no GPIO outlet...
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[21:16] <wiiguy> cant i play video's in debian ?
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[21:18] <nio> please help me with my d-link dsw-160 ... i am too stupid
[21:18] <wiiguy> nio ?
[21:18] <wiiguy> what si the problem ?
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[21:19] <nio> wiiguy it says firmeware not found ... but i installed some firmeware
[21:20] <wiiguy> reinstall ?
[21:22] <nio> wiiguy i think i just did so, but it did not help
[21:23] <wiiguy> hmmm
[21:23] <wiiguy> cant ay contact their support ?
[21:24] <nio> raspberry support? i think thats here
[21:24] <wiiguy> ehh
[21:24] <wiiguy> d-link dsw-160 is ya router correct ?
[21:24] <wiiguy> ah usb card i meanm
[21:24] <wiiguy> mean
[21:25] <wiiguy> and i think ay meant driver instead of firmware
[21:25] <wiiguy> and as far i know, raspberry pi does not support all wireless usb thingy
[21:26] <nio> its on the list
[21:27] <wiiguy> hmm weird
[21:27] <wiiguy> then i hope someone can help ya :)
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[21:28] <ThomasJ73> Hmmm... seems to be working now..
[21:29] <ThomasJ73> can someone try link for me.. just want something to host images on.. I can connect to it via my driod but not from either of my laptops... :/
[21:29] <ThomasJ73> http://poboypi.dyndns.org
[21:29] <stanley> Works :-)
[21:29] <ThomasJ73> Many Danke's in advanced! :)
[21:30] <stanley> ThomasJ73: congratulations, your web server is functioning!
[21:30] <ThomasJ73> Thank you stanley
[21:30] <stanley> No problem.
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[21:31] <nio> my synology understands the d-link 160 ....
[21:32] <NucWin> ThomasJ73 ctrl+a then press d to detach from screen ;)
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. that's a bother. I've run out of GPIO jumper leads.
[21:33] <NucWin> thats where the old cases in my garage came in useful
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> So has skpang! Disaster! stop the world!
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> Going to have to borrow some from another project now. Bother.
[21:35] <reider59> old mobo case to usb connectors in pairs. Some old hook up cables are singles too
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[21:38] <reider59> Tandy has 10 for ?1.99
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[21:43] <gordonDrogon> female to male?
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> actually - Hm. I have a bunch of F-F and a bunch of M-M - put them together and you get ... F FM M .. woo hoo!
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[21:44] <reider59> 10xfemale to male ?1.99 and 65 male to male for about 4-5 quid or so
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[21:45] <gordonDrogon> what's tandy UK's website?
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[21:47] <ThomasJ73> Ok back.. just wanted a simple host for my images.. hate all that uploading stuff.. ;)
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> oh, is it: http://www.t2retail.co.uk/ ?
[21:48] <reider59> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/prototyping.html
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> A-Ha.
[21:49] <reider59> Was ?2.99 for male to male 65 pk and ?1.99 m to f 10 pk, just double checked but you`re OK now
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> Oh, it's ADSL Nation....
[21:49] <reider59> that`s right
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> Tandy were sold off to Car phone warehouse...
[21:50] <reider59> thought that was just the shop premises
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> I've bought stuff from adslnation in the past. ADSL stuff oddly enough..
[21:52] <ThomasJ73> heat sinked my pi :) http://poboypi.dyndns.org/images/poboypi.jpg
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> er... http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/kits.html wonder if Gert knows about that :)
[21:52] <reider59> got loose details of th ekit pieces for his Gert board, I saw that earlier
[21:53] <reider59> jumping the gun a tad
[21:53] <ThomasJ73> Gotta get back to work building the case.. was wondering, can I power a 25mm fan off the GPIO's?
[21:53] <ThomasJ73> Possibly control it as well?
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[21:54] <ThomasJ73> i.e. fan_on/fan_off (powered directly without having to add an additional board)
[21:54] <reider59> Gordon has the design plans for a lego fan......
[21:54] <ThomasJ73> o.O
[21:55] <ThomasJ73> reider59: I am looking to build it into my case directly above my heatsinks, is it powered directly from the GPIO's or does he have it running to an add-on board?
[21:55] <ThomasJ73> gordonDrogon: Excuse me sir, do you happen to have a link handy to your lego fan?
[21:55] <reider59> was a fun project/mickey take
[21:56] <reider59> ;-)
[21:56] <reider59> I suggested a mini wind tunnel and bolt the Pi down
[21:56] <ThomasJ73> LoL
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> ThomasJ73, http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg and http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan2.jpg
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[21:57] <reider59> It doesn`t need one really unless you`re somewhere dead hot/outside etc......
[21:57] <ThomasJ73> I don't plan on doing any overclocking (which I'm sure I will anyways in the future) but I figure the cooler I can keep it the longer it will last me.. :)
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[21:58] <ThomasJ73> Oh, that's completely awesome, gordonDrogon
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> The chip on-top of the SoC is an LM35 analog temperature sensor. it's connected to the atmega on the board under the blue lid. that in-turn was being read by the atmega and the pi - which was controlling the motor speed by the PWM output via the board which has a H bridge motor driver on it (and a 9V psu)
[21:58] <reider59> mechano costs extra
[21:59] <reider59> stickle bricks fans might be free lol
[21:59] <ThomasJ73> gordonDrogon: That went WAY over my head, lol...
[21:59] <reider59> but not very stable
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> can you get stickle-technik?
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> I reckon there still a market for fuzzy felt though ...
[22:00] <ThomasJ73> gordonDrogon: I am just looking to connect a 25mm fan directly to the GPIO pins and 'possibly' control it with code.. on/off..
[22:00] <reider59> I vaguely recall something about a German co. that had something along those lines
[22:00] <reider59> fuzzy felt fan?
[22:00] <ThomasJ73> getting my fan and checking for output.. :)
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> ThomasJ73, the GPIO won't power a fan directly - you'll need some sort of buffer/voltage booster for it, but that's not hard - even a single power transistor would work.
[22:01] <ThomasJ73> gordonDrogon: Excellent! Thank you for the info, I will do some research.. :)
[22:02] <reider59> I can just picture a RasPi in a full size wind tunnel for some reason, lack of sleep maybe
[22:03] <reider59> If you tie a pin to 0volts that is the same as saying tie it to GND isn`t it? Not missing something somewhere?
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> that's right. same thing here.
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> technically 0v and ground are separate entities but in applications like this they are almost always considered the same.
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[22:06] <reider59> OK, need to check something out before I lose my sanity, again
[22:06] <reider59> oops
[22:06] <reider59> ;-)
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[22:11] <Davespice> ThomasJ73: love the heat sinks :)
[22:14] <JMichaelX> is it likely that the instructions for getting an rt3070 wifi chipset going in arch, might also work in debian?
[22:16] <reider59> Just had a Eureka moment ;-) If I can add red flashing LEDs to my Darth Vader USB Hub and tie in some real air coming out when he breathes his funny breath thingy then that might make a cool (pun (c)) fan for my RasPi
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[22:21] <reider59> doubtful
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[22:23] <reider59> Does it use Realtek RTL8188CUS drivers?
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[22:24] <piney0> If i have a high grade SD card (say a class 10), where is the IO bottleneck on the rasberry pi? in the raspberry pi, SD card?
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> The card typically.
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> Random IO speed on SD cards is dismal.
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[22:26] <piney0> SpeedEvil, thanks.
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[22:27] <reider59> re the RT3070, see if this helps.....http://mitchtech.net/realtek-wireless-dongle-rt3070-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[22:28] <reider59> now where was I up to before I lost my mind?
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[22:29] <SpeedEvil> reider59: Were you about to open a small cheese shoppe?
[22:29] <Gadgetoid> Okay, cannot drive LCD fast enough to get pov grey
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[22:30] <reider59> nooooooooooooo....don`t like cheese or tomato, do not suggest that. Went to a cooking thingio once, told them that and then we went to make a Pizza, can`t stand them.
[22:30] <reider59> Soup was good though
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[22:32] <reider59> A company I had dealings with sent me a full cob of Stilton. Fancy sending that to me lol, couldn`t give it away quick enough
[22:32] <JMichaelX> reider59: ty for the link
[22:32] <JMichaelX> :-D
[22:32] <reider59> np, hope it helps
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[22:39] * aaa801 :(
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[22:46] <booyaa> anyone using v4l on arch linux?
[22:47] <booyaa> troubleshooting motion, but i can modprobe their test drive vivi
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[22:49] <buzzkill> booyaa: i AM USING MOTION ON MY PI
[22:49] <buzzkill> sorry, caps lock stuck
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> Congrats.
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> input/res/framerate?
[22:49] <booyaa> buzzkill: also what device?
[22:50] <buzzkill> SpeedEvil: was replying to booyaa...
[22:50] <buzzkill> device is /dev/video0
[22:51] <booyaa> nah your usb webcam what make
[22:51] <buzzkill> Logitech c525
[22:51] <booyaa> off a powered hub or direct into the pi?
[22:51] <buzzkill> directly connected
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[22:51] <booyaa> also how you powering the pi?
[22:52] <buzzkill> power supply supplied by my iPhone. =)
[22:52] <buzzkill> not via USB
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[22:53] <booyaa> starting to wonder if it's a power thing
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[22:53] <booyaa> i need a new power hub anyhoo
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[22:53] <buzzkill> I could not get zoneminer to activate the webcam however
[22:53] <buzzkill> SpeedEvil: sorry for being curt.
[22:53] <booyaa> would've been nice to know where the vivi module went, at least id know my motion.conf was sound
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[22:57] <buzzkill> SpeedEvil: not sure how to get you that data. I know that motion had no problem keeping up. took too many images for my implementation, so I cut it way back.
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[23:10] <NucWin> argh github is being a real git. died at 92% while running a clone (5th attempt)
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[23:12] <RAThomas> been trying to make a disassembler for the VC boot code, using info from several BCM patents. It may be wishful thinking, but I think I'm starting to see code-like patterns in my output ;)
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[23:13] <Gadgetoid> Now got bouncing awesome faces up on my LCD using a display buffer and my own pixel-based format with opacity
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> video :)
[23:14] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: It's being driven by the Arduino at the moment, though :(
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> a-ha :)
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> ah well. currently playing with a 4-digit 7-segment display - same as on your protoboard I think :)
[23:14] <Gadgetoid> The pixel format is a bit bloaty, it only needs to store the values 0-3 but uses an unsigned int
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> however I'm not using a shift register...
[23:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yikes! although it's doable without a shift reg, that's some serious pin usage
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit flickery but I'm working on that...
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> I'm not afraid to use pins!!!
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> 12 of them so-far.
[23:15] <Gadgetoid> Haha, you've definitely got enough of them!
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> I bought one of those big watches - want to make the same (well - not portable, but )
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> incidentally, I put up a new version of wiringPi with the LCD library...
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[23:28] <Habstinat> I get this error when trying to compile Quake 3 on the Raspberry Pi with Arch Linux: http://pastie.org/pastes/4240152/text What can I do to fix this? I can't seem to find this "arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc".
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[23:34] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: LCD! :D
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[23:36] <blueskies> habstinat http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/portal/package3696/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2008q3-72-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2
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[23:42] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: What changed in gpio.c?
[23:43] <reider59> enjoy, Bleu
[23:44] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Nevermind, ran some diffs :D
[23:44] <reider59> You cannot join the ROC until then......
[23:44] <reider59> RasPi Owners Club
[23:45] <Gadgetoid> https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi/commit/43aa862e97c06b1383ee08590a96020723a43505
[23:46] <Gadgetoid> Is anyone else deeply disturbed by the 3d-rendered London olympics ad?
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[23:46] <reider59> personally I often find anyone from London is a little disturbed. might be the warm lager
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[23:47] <gordonDrogon> hi
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> sorry was afk for a bit.
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[23:48] <gordonDrogon> I've not seen the ad. but I don't watch TV much and channel flick on the rare occasion ads. are on ...
[23:49] <dmsuse> reider59: warm lager? how do you mean warm?
[23:49] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I figure if I keep posting git diffs, you'll eventually be tempted to join the fray :D
[23:49] <reider59> not cool
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I'm not against Git - I'm against hosting on a platform I don't have control of.
[23:50] <dmsuse> all my pints have neem cool?
[23:50] <dmsuse> *been
[23:50] <dmsuse> reider59: you ever been to the uk?
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[23:50] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I know :) but I think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks... github is the facebook of programming
[23:50] <reider59> must have improved then. Hope so considering I was born and live here
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, and I gave-up my facebook account 8 months ago...
[23:51] <dmsuse> then obviously you don't drink :P
[23:51] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: likewise, but my point is; it brings people together on a project in a way that isn't otherwise as easy!
[23:51] <reider59> just been on a site that demanded you join Facebook before seeing the pages, not a chance!
[23:52] <reider59> lol, not warm lager
[23:52] <dmsuse> lol
[23:52] <dmsuse> i prefer it warm anyway, goes down faster
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Hm. Yes. Let me see if I can get stuff up on my own gitweb this weekend - I have 2 x 5-hour train journeys...
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. 1 digit flicker free. not to try 3 more ...
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[23:53] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: no pressure, I'm just getting a bit evangelistic!
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> job for tonight: get b00b on the display and re-live my calculator childhood ;-)
[23:54] <Gadgetoid> nice work on the LCD stuff, I think I might be able to get the Arduino LCD shield working with it, not sure
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[23:54] <gordonDrogon> it should work almost without change...
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> however there is an LCD library already there for arduino - as a c++ class.
[23:55] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I mean hooking the shield up to the Pi :D
[23:56] <Gadgetoid> As it's the only LCD of that type I have access to
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[23:56] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm working on some slightly-derivative library functions for the Nokia 3310 LCD, including my pixel-based bitmap drawing with opacity
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[23:57] <Gadgetoid> It may well be better suited for the Pi and for possible consideration as a WiringPi lib
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ah - neat. sure - get it working and we can put it in.
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> if I wasn't going to Cambridge this weekend, I'd be getting my 128x64 graphic LDC going.
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> LCD.
[23:58] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm abstracting away the horrible 8-bit-per-column thing that the LCD does natively and working in pure pixels
[23:59] <ThomasJ73> How can I find the pid of a running process? It must be too far down TOP and I can't find it
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> Yes. thats what I was going to do on the 128x64 I have .
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> ThomasJ73, ps ax | fgrep name
[23:59] <ThomasJ73> gordonDrogon: Danke kind sir!
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> ThomasJ73, or just ps ax | less
[23:59] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: It's a pain on the arduino, though, as an unsigned char or uint8_t is too big to represent a pixel

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